Talk:Yoda/Legends

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Yoda vs. Sidious
Sidious wasn't too powerful for Yoda. "You have to be either Yoda or Mace to compete with Sidious" ~ George Lucas, the Making of Revenge of the Sith; page 204. Which means they were almost equal... There is even more:

YODA unleashes a ferocious assault on PALPATINE, causing him to almost go over the edge. The Dark Lord drops his lightsaber but recovers with a BLAST OF ENERGY from his hands that surrounds YODA. YODA is deflecting the Sith Lord's lightning bolts.

The energy bolts begin to arc back on the Emperor. It looks as if the Dark Lord is doomed.

YODA: Destroy you I will, just as Master Kenobi, your apprentice will destroy.

YODA jumps to a lower Senate Pod. PALPATINE reaches out with one hand, and a Senate pod is released from its mooring and heads toward the Podium. PALPATINE uses the Force to hurl pod after pod at YODA, who ducks and jumps from one flying pod to another.

YODA leaps away from the pods. He uses the Force to hold one pod suspended in the air. The pod spins and YODA throws it back at PALPATINE, who leaps away at the last moment.

YODA leaps after him, but PALPATINE quickly turns and aims the full force of his energy bolts at the tiny green Jedi, catching him in mid-air and throwing him back hard against the Podium. The force causes YODA to drop his lightsaber. YODA blocks the lightning and throws PALPATINE backwards off the podium. YODA is knocked off the Podium and falls several hundred feet to the base of the Podium. PALPATINE follows in his pod, searching for YODA.

~Star Wars Episode III Revenge of the Sith The Illustrated Screenplay (some scenes described above are deleted)

They were almost equaly matched during the duel but in the end, Yoda bested him in both lightsaber and Force combat, but he retreated and Sidious won (in a way). The novelisation says otherwise, but it is contradicted by two G-level sources... Fingolfin The Elf King


 * You bring up a good point. But the novelization points out that Yoda realizes that a lightsaber isn't going to kill Palpatine, thus Yoda retreated for the sake of the Jedi Order. -- SFH 10:11, 20 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Well, that may be true, from a certain point of view. Here are the exact lines:

"The new Sith could not be destroyed with a lightsaber; they could not be burned away by any torch of the Force. The brighter his light, the darker their shadow. How could one win a war against the dark, when war itself had become the dark's own weapon?

He knew, at that instant, that this insight held the hope of the galaxy. But if he fell here, that hope would die with him. Hmmm, Yoda thought. A problem this is..."

He had a vision, and this vision opened his eyes. What he might have seen is unclear but that doesn't change the fact that Palpatine wasn't too much for him (as the article states) - he was better than Palpatine, but that obviously wasn't enough. Fingolfin The Elf King

YODA IS THE MAN! LOOK AT HOW COOL HE IS! HES A PIMP WITH THAT LIGHTSABER IN THA CLONES GUT! SWEET CHEERY PIE!
 * What's the point, exactly? P.S.: No one can best Palpy!

Yoda could have killed Palps in a second if he wasnt nearing 900! Dude people that old slow down! and plus alot of people could have bested Palps, Mace Windu was about to kill him but then Anakin made that dumb choice to chop off his hand!

Fanboys please. Lucas has stated over and over again, that Sidious is the most powerful force user in the galaxy. That yoda and obiwan combine would be unable to defeat sidious and vader. Luke was the only one with the Force potential to even be a concern to the two sith. Lucas has also stated in the Ep. III commentary that he did pretend to be too weak to beat Mace and that he gave up the fight to make it appear that the jedi were going to assasinate him. He also "popped" back to life and blasted mace with the force lightning when sidious was in his full power and true form. He took out yoda both times with the lightning. First in his office, second by firing lightning that forced yoda to use all his energy to dissipate it. Sidious was still up and kicking and yoda's power was spent.

Amen. Additionally, the fight changed from the original script. Notice that it never mentions Palpatine moving from the Chancellor's Podium to a sentate pod before hurling other pods at Yoda. Likewise, it is entirely possible that Sidious merely deactivated his saber at some point after reaching a stalemate in saber skills. Plus, if the "Sith Lord looked to be doomed", why would Yoda jump onto a lower pod? The scene was changed and the original script sequences that were not included in the film or official novelization are non-canonical.


 * Ahem. Name the interview (or whatever the occasion) in which he said that Palpatine was the most powerful Force user (you can't, can you?). And you boys seem to be forgetting something - there is still the the Making of Revenge of the Sith in which Lucas explicitly states that only Mace and Yoda were able to compete with Sidious, and that includes beating him. THAT is something that you can't disproof; THAT is written canon. Furthermore, if you examine the part in which Lucas comments the fight between Sidious and Mace, you'll notice that he states that Palpatine was loosing when Anakin came in; exaggeration of his weakness came later. To make it short - take a walk :roll: Fingolfin The Elf King

If Sidious is the most powerful FORCE user then why in the final seconds of that battle did Yoda push back the most "POWERFUL FORCE USERS" own attack! Also Sidous Probally didnt deactiviate his lightsaber.... he most likley Got it KNOCKED out of his hands AGAIN.. becuase Sidious isnt Powerful just hotheaded and a cheater/pussy


 * word palpatines a pussy, man. Yoda only lost cause when they were on the senate pod and palpatine was shooting lighting, yoda reflects it, then they both get blown back. yoda goes a lot further cause he was on the f*cking edge, and hes so much smaller. palpatine was just blown back to hang off the pinning pod like a fag. Yoda falls like f*ckin 100 ft and is still ok. AVATAR OF LIGHT .vs. PINNACLE OF EVIL : Final Score: AVATAR OF LIGHT-1, PINNACLE OF EVIL-0. Thats why Yoda's one with the Force, and Palpa-pussy is a shmuck. boo-fuckin-ya. Yoda1300 17:36, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Please people, such language is not warranted. Neither are unbased biases such as "YoDa is teh MAN!11". Also keep in mind the movie changed from the aforementioned script as mentioned earlier, and not everything written there made it into canon. The fact of the matter is Yoda was on the defensive most of the time, although neither opponent could gain a definitive edge over the other in terms of saber combat. Once Sidious realized this and took the high ground, he began to dominate over Yoda though, keeping the Jedi Master on the ropes. Neither Sidious nor Yoda overwhelmed eachother during the blast that sent them backwards, much like Anakin's push versus Obi-Wan's. I shall quote the official entry for Yoda from the Star Wars databank: "Inside the spacious interior of the Galactic Senate chambers, Yoda challenged the Emperor. The two entered into a spectacular duel -- a contest between the most powerful practitioners of the Force's light and dark sides. The Emperor proved too powerful to defeat. Though Yoda held his own for much of the duel, in the end, the Sith bested him. He realized that directly confronting the Sith would be doomed to failure. Defeated, Yoda slinked away into the shadows of the Senate chamber's cavernous depths, leaping into a waiting getaway speeder piloted by Bail Organa." I know some people debate the validity of the databank entries, and that's ok. Nevertheless, unlike the Mace vs. Palpatine duel the situation is far less ambiguous. Take from this what you may, but for now lets try to keep the article as NPOV as possible.--Exor 19:29, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * P.S.- sign shit when you write it, queers. if your not a member, dont add/comment-Yoda1300 17:38, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * it was also brought out that Yoda's spirit had possibly been broken by the deaths of so many Jedi, Jedi to whom he was obviously close, so he wasnt exactly up to par. take for instance his devastated reation when he is on kashyyk before his attempted assassination.  honestly, my personal opinion is that Yoda could have defeated Palpatine no problem, yet he realized the circumstances werent right--Master Sage
 * I doubt that is plausible. Saying that also cheapens Yoda, who as a Grand Master of the Jedi should be able to overcome such negative emotions with ease. Attachment is not the way of the Jedi, and certainly not Yoda.--Exor 16:02, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Bullshit, he isn't emotionless

[edit]Yoda's Species In my opinion, we should create a new article called Yoda's Species or perchaps Species of Yoda that would be about their physical features, strong at the force, and list all know of them, then discuss the contraversy over them being suspected Whillis or what not. When/if the species is named, the article's content can be moved to a correctly titled article and move all the content. Then the three members of his species in the character box could have "Species: Unkown (see article on this topic here}" Anyway, just my suggestion. CptKenobi 00:17, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC) Any. Thoughts. On. This? CptKenobi 21:28, 19 Nov 2005 (UTC) The fact that we only know about two of such species cannot make them basically strong in the Force. Yoda's species will probably never be named... by any canon source. - TopAce 21:31, 19 Nov 2005 (UTC) Actually we know of three in total: Yoda, Yaddle, and Vandar Tokare. Personally, I call his species Dagobans. I mean, he just seemed to fit in to Dagobah's surroundings, but I'm not calling for them to be refered to as such. However, I believe the article should mention something about Yoda's species has never been identified. -- SFH 21:39, 19 Nov 2005 (UTC) There was one other one at Ruusan in JvS. Kuralyov 21:47, 19 Nov 2005 (UTC) I remember a reference in the last of the "Hand of Thrawn" duology to a race of mysterious aliens or monks of some kind that could travel through space faster then any hyperspace engine and it made an allusion to the Force I believe. My memory is kinda fuzzy and I don't have the book anymore but I was sure there was a conjecture about Yoda belonging to the race. Anyone have a better reference?--TheLIGHTSABERwieldingNERFHERDER 23:13, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC) Those are the Aing-Tii Monks. Deffinately not Yoda's species. -Jaymach Ral'Tir 23:19, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC) Ah, thanks Jay. Yes that be them, and definatly them not be Yoda's peeps. With the upcoming Star Wars TV series I dearly wish this mystery be solved. Even a novel or reference book with not do, I want to see a whole room full of moving little green super-force elves. :D--TheLIGHTSABERwieldingNERFHERDER 05:05, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC) Then Yoda will lose his mysteriousness and awesomeness. -- Riffsyphon1024 05:12, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Listen everyone you Sidious fans say what you want but we all know the truth Yoda is the best of the best. If you watch Sidious's face when they fight he is exhausted from it, which is clearly indicated by his facial expression. He even had two advantages: 1, the location Sidious spent tons of his life in the senate room, meaning he should have known it pretty good by now. Second, when he was on the senate pod, Sidious had plenty of space, and Yoda had to improvise with what little room he had on the very edge of the senate pod to overcome the strikes of Sidious. Lastly, if the two were to fight one on one, in a neutral environment. Yoda would win, because clearly Yoda is more adept with his saber, meaning he could over-power Sidious if not for force lightning. Sidious's trump card is the force lightning, which he tends to use very often when the odds are not in his favor. Aside from that, Yoda is the only known Jedi, that can catch lightning, and deflect it, or absorb it with his bare hands. Also note that Yoda is something like 800 years Older than Sidious. Yoda alsu uses the Form IV, or Ataru, to overcome his height and age limitations. He would be stronger were he in his prime. -Anonymous
 * Good logic and that is entirly true that in a nuetral enviormen whre Yoda can't be pushed of a senate chair he would win.

~actually there is a catergory of that it isYoda's species In the star wars insider #81, it states that Yoda's homeworld is in fact GRENTARIK!!!!!!!!!!!!

[edit]TPM pic Can someone make a screen capture from the ROTS DVD of the new digital Yoda for TPM (from the The Chosen One featurette)? Since that is now the canonical version, I thought it best to change the article accordingly. Adamwankenobi 05:50, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Wait. They made TPM Yoda digital now? What rock have I been hiding under? -- Riffsyphon1024 05:52, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC) Yes. Rob Coleman confirmed at the ROTS DVD press event that they went ahead and replaced the puppet in TPM with a digital one exactly like the one in AOTC and ROTS. You can even hear him say it himself on one of the hyperspace audiocasts at the OS. And you can even get a glimpse of the new TPM Yoda on The Chosen One featurette on the ROTS DVD.Adamwankenobi 06:00, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC) Yea I need to watch that second disc, however my DVD is hooked up to a TV that just crapped out last week. I could watch it on the PS2, but I'd have to get Battlefront II out of there first (not an easy thing to do). -- Riffsyphon1024 06:16, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC) True. Adamwankenobi 06:21, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC) Actually, they didn't replace the entire TPM Yoda. It was only for that specific scene - it was a test for the ROTS Yoda. (Just like they did a digital ESB Yoda as a test while making AoTC) Pretty much it was only that which you see in the featurette. And it's not canonical until a full version of TPM is released with that scene. It hasn't been, so it isn't. QuentinGeorge 07:29, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC) No, Rob Coleman confirmed that they replaced Yoda for the ENTIRE movie. I will make a screenshot for this myself. Adamwankenobi 07:41, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC) There. It's in the article. Adamwankenobi 07:50, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC) Ok so we have old Yoda and new Yoda. Hmm. Yoda, a decade before the Clone Wars Yoda, a decade before the Clone Wars-- Riffsyphon1024 07:54, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Yep, and the old one looks like he's high compared to the new one. :P Adamwankenobi 08:10, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)

On the subject, any word on when the release of the updated TPM DVD is supposed to be? - Angel Blue 451 02:54, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC)

They wouldn't rerelease the movie just for that, so probably not until the big six-er is out. Glad I never got this DVD. =) CooperTFN 03:29, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC) Which means, of course, that I will have to purchase another copy. I hate being a completionist. I just hope the updated one will come individually as well... - Angel Blue 451 02:23, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Rob Coleman Let's see what Coleman actually says: "Now that Episode III is available on DVD, viewers can carefully examine the painstaking work of Animation Director Rob Coleman and his team that brought the many digital characters to life, including Jedi Master Yoda.

To get his animation team back in prime shape for their work ahead on Episode III, Coleman says that they replaced the footage of the Episode I Yoda puppet with their Episode III digital model as a test to see how far they could push his usual performance boundaries. This footage worked its way into the DVD, where it can be see as part of "The Chosen One" featurette on Disc 2.

"We did that between Episodes II and III as an exercise to get the team back into the character," Coleman explains. "On Episode II, I was stressing about living up to what Frank [Oz] had created. A lot of our focus was on the final battle sequence between Yoda and Count Dooku. We had never seen Yoda do that before. In the process, we were learning about acting as animators. It was really exciting for me to have the team back again between Episode II and III. We used Episode I as a testbed because we didn't know what was going to be in Episode III, so we got the team back up to speed. We really honed our acting skills and, using that as a springboard, we moved right on to Episode III."

See? It was a test, not a remake of TPM. QuentinGeorge 05:25, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC) But, at the ROTS DVD press event, when Rob Coleman was specifically asked if they were going to replace Yoda in TPM for a future release, Coleman replied "We've actually gone ahead and done that." (You can download and listen yourself on the OS.) That seems proof enough to me that they replaced the puppet for the entire film. Adamwankenobi 05:29, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC) That casual comment is hardly confirmation of what you think it is. My quote is from homing beacon, and post-DVD release. All the press release comment confirms is that in the event of a TPM re-release, they won't have to put in work to do a new Yoda model, since they already did it during their ROTS pre-production test period. QuentinGeorge 05:31, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC) Then, if that's the case, then they plan to make the Yoda digital. Since we have no official confirmation that they already have, we can still use the screenshot from that clip, since it is likely the canon version of that clip. Adamwankenobi 05:38, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC) What? There's no mention of any plans. Here's the gist of the question and answer. Question: In the event of a re-release of TPM, will you go and do the work to replace the puppet Yoda? Answer: We already have put in the work (as part of the test for ROTS). Nothing here confirms a TPM re-release. It's entirely suppositional. QuentinGeorge 05:40, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC) But, since that one clip has already been redone, we can use footage from it. It looks better anyway. Adamwankenobi 05:49, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC) I hate to disagree with you Adamwankenobi, especially on a 2 month old argument but I really don't like the CG version of Yoda they did up. 1) Something seems odd about it. Perhaps it is the eyes or the head shape or something. But he looks a little retarded (literally) to me. 2) At this point it isn't canon in my opinion. It is only test footage. I think the theatrical version should be included near the beginning of the article (instead of the TPM test version) and the test version should be in the Behind the Scenes section.--DannyBoy7783 20:35, 20 February 2006 (UTC) New uploaded Ep. 1 Yoda.Well, no one has responded for a month so I went ahead and made some changes. I moved the CG test Yoda to BTS and added info on it. I uploaded a different Ep. 1 Yoda (puppet) and put that in its place. It's more of a profile shot and he doesn't look high. I think it works well and the CG test Yoda is just that: a test. It's included on the page but it doesn't trump the puppet yet. If/when they release Episode 1 with it then we can take down the puppet version. I hope this works for everyone. --DannyBoy7783 17:53, 20 March 2006 (UTC) However, as stated above, Rob Coleman confirmed that they have actually replaced the puppet with the CG version. Since the DVD clip is from an actual scene from TPM, and was released officially on the ROTS DVD, I say it's a canon image and should be used to represent Yoda from TPM instead of the puppet. Adamwankenobi 19:56, 20 March 2006 (UTC) TUntil the CG Yoda shows up IN the movie it doesn't trump what exists. I'm not saying it isn't canon, just that it doesn't beat the actual movies.--DannyBoy7783 21:05, 20 March 2006 (UTC) [edit]my god... as any one read Star Wars Tales #16?! if you had, you would know that this info, "In one such battle during the Clone Wars, Yoda confronted a Bpfasshi Dark Jedi on Dagobah. Yoda defeated the Dark Jedi, who died in a tree-cave. As a result, the cave became strong in the dark side of the Force." is incorrect. the comic, titled Heart of Darkness, clearly states that it took place in 700 BBY, 678 years before the clone wars. i'm changing it.-user:remoh Sigh. Have you read LucasFilm's canon policy? If you had, you'd know that Tales stories are not canon. And anyway, the Jedi in that story is called Minch, not Yoda - Kwenn 20:19, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC) well then how come the contents of the story are on yoda's exapanded universe bio on the official site? and if you can debunk that, unlikley, then how did yoda find out about it?-user:remoh "Another tale of Yoda's past involves stopping a swath of destruction cut by Dark Jedi from Bpfassh. One of these dark siders had gotten as far as Dagobah, were Yoda bested him in direct confrontation. The Bpfasshi Jedi died, his dark Force absorbing into and twisting a nearby tree -- forming a dark side nexus. It is believed that Yoda chose Dagobah as his hiding place due to the dark side energies emanating from the tree. From a distance, Force-users like the Emperor would not detect Yoda since the master's bright light side presence would be canceled by the Bpfasshi dark side presence." That's what we've got in this article. Like I said, the Tales character is called Minch, not Yoda. And again, it's still not canon - Kwenn 20:27, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)

The Dark Jedi from Bpfasshi came from Heir to the Empire, written in 1991. You really want to prefer a Tales comic to the Holy Bible of the Expanded Universe? -- SFH 20:30, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC) Sorry to piss on your parade, User:Remoh, but the New Essential Chronology confirms Yoda engaged the Bpfasshi Dark Jedi in the final year of the Clone Wars, just before the Battle of Praesitlyn - Kwenn 20:34, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC) it must have been the second time, the OS article says it was it was part of yoda's past. PAST!!!!!! IT DOESN'T SAY CLONE WARS! i guess it's possible that he faced bpfasshi dark jedi again during the clone wars, but OS says he did it before the clone wars also. now i'm gonna ask you some questions. 1. Ever think that "Minch" was just a nick-name for yoda back then? i mean he was a padawan among alot of jedi knights. they didn't exactly have to show him much respect as they had to in the prequels. 2. So this story doesn't fit into the canon, even though it has support FROM THE OFFICIAL SITE but Routine is? it has no source! 3. Are you trying to tell me, if you don't beleive my first question, that one character of yoda's species, apparently named minch, fought a bpfasshi dark jedi on dagobah, killed him in a tree cave, and changed the balance of the force, and apparantly 676 years later yoda happened to do the exact same thing? no. yoda may have fought another Bpfasshi dark Jedi on dagobah during the clone wars, but don't yoda would be able to fit the description of "minch" during 700 bby, when he was 196 years old? Unless you have no futher objections, i am going put Heart of Darkness in the List of Tales stories with elements of continuity.-User:Remoh No, I don't believe Minch killed a Dark Jedi, then Yoda done the same, because MINCH IS NOT CANON. And the Databank does not SPECIFICALLY state Yoda does not fight the Dark Jedi during the Clone Wars; from the POV of the OS, the Clone Wars could be 'in the past'. And besides, many Databank entries are woefully out-of-date, still using info from pre-AotC material, when the date of the Clone Wars wasn't set. The New Essential Chronology is the most up-to-date source, and SPECIFIES the EXACT DATE of this confrontation. And no, don't put Heart of Darkness on that list. It CONTRADICTS official canon stated in the Chronology - Kwenn 22:19, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC) oh, don't get techniccal with me kwenn. star wars tales stories base off of characters from the movies or major charcters from the expanded universe. therefore, minch is yoda's nickname when he was a padawan. therefore, the official sites info is correct. therefore Heart of Darkness is canon. i am fully aware that the databank has alot of out dated articles, but yoda is not one of them. if the first time was in the clone wars, then it would be in the paragraphs on the clone wars his expanded universe page. it has a official source, therefore it is canon. puting it on list.-User:Remoh You don't understand; the Databank isn't agreeing with the Tales story, it's *contradicted* by it. The event mentioned in the Databank is the one mentioned in the Thrawn Trilogy and in Vision of the Future, which happened during the Clone Wars. jSarek 06:32, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC) Then that would mean these paragraphs are out of order, doesn't it?-user:remoh as the OS says:

Another tale of Yoda's past(pay attention to this) involves stopping a swath of destruction cut by Dark Jedi from Bpfassh. One of these dark siders had gotten as far as Dagobah, were Yoda bested him in direct confrontation. The Bpfasshi Jedi died, his dark Force absorbing into and twisting a nearby tree -- forming a dark side nexus. It is believed that Yoda chose Dagobah as his hiding place due to the dark side energies emanating from the tree. From a distance, Force-users like the Emperor would not detect Yoda since the master's bright light side presence would be canceled by the Bpfasshi dark side presence.

Like all the Jedi, Yoda became a General in the Clone Wars, leading swarms of Republic clone troopers into battle against the Confederacy of Independent Systems. It was a tumultuous time for the Jedi. Some Jedi, disagreeing with the politics behind the war, left the order in protest. Recognizing that dissension in the Jedi ranks would make the order look weak to both the public and its enemies, Yoda was gravely concerned by these turns of events.

So? Many of the databank entries are not ordered in chronological order. Look at Saesee Tin's entry: one paragraph it is talking about his relationship with Anakin Skywalker, the next it is speaking about Tiin during the Stark Hyperspace War. In summary: The Star Wars Tales story IS NON-CANONICAL. Deal with it. QuentinGeorge 09:26, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC) okay.-user:remoh Hold up! This statement is still false: In one such battle, Yoda confronted a Bpfasshi Dark Jedi on Dagobah. Yoda defeated the Dark Jedi, who died in a tree-cave. As a result, the cave became strong in the dark side of the Force. i just bought the New Essential Chronology, and it does not say that the leader of the bpfasshi jedi faced yoda "on dagobah" or that he died "in a tree-cave which made it strong in the dark side". i am changing that.-user:remoh It stated that in Heir to the Empire! Why can't you just admit it? -- SFH 20:42, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC) uhhh...can you type up that paragraph? i don't have Heir to the Empire.-user:remoh If you do not own HTTE, you are denying yourself a very important piece of the Expanded Universe. I strongly urge you to buy it at your earliest possible chance. -- SFH 04:14, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC) Right out of the databank for Yoda, Behind the Scenes: "In the story treatment, Yoda's full name was Minch Yoda, and in the first draft, he was known only as Minch." In other words, the Minch character in the comic is clearly intended to be a younger Yoda. Whether it is canon or not is debatable, but the author's intent is not: It's Yoda. Again, I'm not saying it's a canon fact. Just that Minch and Yoda are the same person, according to Lucas's own story treatment. That makes it G-Canon. -- MaclimesZero (Guest) 11:17, 19 Jan 2006 Sorry to burst yer bubble, Maclimes old chap, but unless it's published in a canonical source, Lucas' word means squat. --Imp 16:22, 19 January 2006 (UTC) Okay, granted. But it's not a coincidence that a character Yoda's age and species and temperment is named Minch, which was Yoda's original name. The character is intended to be Yoda in his younger days. There's no doubt about that. Also, since it is published in Star Wars Tales, the story isn't canonical. There's no doubt about that. So what we have is an "Infinities"-style story about Yoda's youth, which is non-canon. The end. -- MaclimesZero (Guest) 11:31, 19 Jan 2006 [edit]nonsentient asscoites 69.161.102.225 04:07, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)I know yoda has a pet-a tauntaun like thing he rode in the clone wars miniseries.But what is it?

It's his kybuck. And Yoda doesn't like the word 'pet'. --AdmThrawn 04:10, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC) ~thanks! [edit]Training Wasnt there something about how it took Yoda 50 years to become a knight, then how he took 50 years to become a master, cause he was travelling the galaxy or something? i dont know where i read that...thought it was either here or wikipedia...any thoughts? - Yoda1300 17:46, 17 January 2006 (UTC) [edit]Yoda's mastery of other saber form In the article it mentioned Yoda mastered ALL lightsaber forms. But what is the source of that? I look into every novel of prequel but all only mentioned Ataru, never others? Would anyone mind telling me the source? (P.S. I am the one who remove that line from Wikipedia XD )

--Darth Kevinmhk 04:34, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Power of the Jedi. QuentinGeorge 04:37, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

I got the Power of the Jedi Sourcebook. I read the part of Yoda, and i dont find anything mentioning his mastery in all 7 forms. Can you please quote the sentence or tell me the page num? Thx! Darth Kevinmhk 08:15, 16 March 2006 (UTC) [edit]Yoda's unnoticed failures People seem to ignore Yoda's failures as a political leader of the Jedi Order. He went into exile not just because he was beaten in a duel by Palpatine, but also because he finally saw that he was part of why the Jedi Order collapsed. Please read this letter: [1]

Sure, he was always wise with the Force, but he lead the Jedi Order to completely ignoring the Jedi Code by the time the Jedi intervened in the Clone Wars. They should never have become generals -- it destroyed their principles. If they had kept to traditional values, they could have saw Palpatine for what he was much earlier on. His time in exile allowed him to reflect on all of this, finally realizing that interventionism is bad, which may explain why he did not actively engage in the Galactic Civil War. Proof that both Obi-Wan and Yoda learned something from their exiles can be shown in TESB, when Luke goes to interfere with the affairs of Han, Leia, and Vader, and Ben says that Luke must do it alone, that he (Ben) cannot interfere. Yoda felt the same way, obviously, becuase he also chose not to help Luke. --qrc 04:02, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

1 The reason Yoda failed was because he was teaching the same things he was taught 800 years ago. The following is and excerpt from the novelization of Episode III; page 396, line 22: "The Sith had changed. The Sith had grown, had adapted, had invested a thousand years' intensive study into every aspect of not only the Force but Jedi lore itself, in preparation for exactly this day. The Sith had remade themselves. They had become new. While the Jedi- The Jedi had spent that same millennium training to refight the last war."

As you can see from that last line, it clearly restates what i said before: he was just teaching what he was taught. How can he know anyother way? He was never taught one. Its not his fault.

2 In the Mandalorian Wars, the Jedi refused to fight because the Mandalorians hadn't breached Republic Space. In the Clone Wars, the Separatists had formed inside the Republic, so Yoda had to fight back. 3 Its also because Palpatine was just a clever-ass bastard. Ill give him credit for what he did. --Eon Kaaz 22:56, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

[edit]IS ANKIN STRONGER THAN BOTH THE EMPEROR AND YODA Because george lucas said tha if vader hadn't sustained his injuries on mustafar, he would have been twice as powerful

twice as powerful as.....?. look on anakin's page. it says there that anakin had something like 120% of the emperor's power before his duel with obi-wan, and that he lost 1/2 after that duel, which brings him down to 60% of the Emperor's power. and yoda and the emperor were supposedly matched, so i dunno. but yoda totally would've kicked anakins ass. if not with a lightsaber, than with his knowledge of the force. WHAT ARE U TALKING ABOUT ..."As Anakin, he had the greatest known midi-chlorian count (a measure of Force-aptitude) in the Galaxy, surpassing both Yoda and the Emperor's count. However, after all of his limbs were severed and he was severely burned on Mustafar he lost much of his Force potential. As Darth Vader, Anakin was believed to have had roughly 80% of the strength of the Emperor. Had he sustained none of his injuries on Mustafar he would have been twice as powerful". George lucas said so himself....Anakin was the strongest force user of all time but he never got the chance to tap into his full powers...if he ever reaced close to his maximum potentail...god help us...he would have destroyed both the emperor and yoda together

my bad, man. No No No you have it all wrong Yoda may not have the highist midi-chlorian count, but Yoda is the greatist lightsaber fighter known. Anakin or {Vader} was very strong in the force but could not control his power very well, and there is no way in hell Anakin could kill Yoda AND the the emperor at the same time get real. In the Empire strikes bake movie I don't under stand why Yoda didn't go and fight Vader himself insted of having luke do it.

[edit]Broken image Removed code snippet:

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As image was nonexistant, and link lead to an "Upload a picture"-type response. Yoda is all power not Skywaker

[edit]Age I am bothered by the "896 BBY–4 ABY" in the article. I have two reasons: 1 - It is safe to assume that Yoda was rounding the number off. Chances are, it wasn't EXACTLY 900. At that age, you'd definately be rounding. 2 - There was a TV commercial for Episode II, which was specifically for Yoda. It said something along the lines of: "3 feet tall. 280 years old. Jedi Master." (I just wrote that off the top of my head, I haven't seen it in 3 years. Can someone find out on their Episode II DVD what it was? And if so, does that qualify as a proper source?

874 years old. I just checked the dvd for the commercial. Though I don't, personally, consider a commercial a reputable source.--DannyBoy7783 19:43, 20 February 2006 (UTC) 896 BBY is the official birthdate given by the EU. QuentinGeorge 19:52, 20 February 2006 (UTC) I did the math and if you add the time between the clone wars and the battle of yavin (22 years) and the time between The battle of Yavin and the Battle of endor (4 years) you get 900 years exactly. Presumably, the commercial was created with Yoda's life of 900 years in mind so as not to contradict anything.--DannyBoy7783 20:07, 20 February 2006 (UTC) [edit]Can someone source this? He had a talent for sensing the future that was on par with Darth Sidious and had become completely incorruptible by the dark side (particularly in the Clone Wars when Yoda turned to the dark side for a short while to uncover why Dooku had turned. Dooku claimed that Sidious would have been annihilated if "Dark Yoda" fought him). Can someone give a source for that and/or expand on it. That is the only mention of it in the article (unless I missed something). I'm not disputing it as fact or not. I'm just curious. Thanks.--DannyBoy7783 20:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Sounds like nonsense to meHavetStorm 17:49, 10 March 2006 (UTC) This is NOT nonsense! It is a piece of 100% C-canon info found in Yoda: Dark Rendezvous. 1)Yoda indeed turned to the dark side on Vjun, to discover why Dooku left the light. 2) Dooku indeed stated in the novel that not even Sidious could stand against a 800years old Yoda who turned to the dark side. Darth Kevinmhk 16:01, 15 March 2006 (UTC) Yoda didn't turn, and was not "completely incorruptible", that's bull. Dooku had a feeling/vision of what would happen if he did. Which may or may not have been true. Yrfeloran 16:37, 15 March 2006 (UTC) Yoda's face was deeply hidden in the shadows, mottled black and blue, so that for one terrible instant he looked exactly like Darth Sidious. ...From the shadows, Yoda spoke. "Disappointment like I not, apprentice," he snarled, in a wicked, wicked voice. "Give me my rose!" This looks very much like Yoda did turn, to me. Darth Kevinmhk 08:13, 16 March 2006 (UTC) What, for three seconds? That's not turning to the dark side. It's perceptual on Dooku's part. An apparition, as he calls it himself. Dooku's having a bit of a psychological breakdown right then, if you hadn't noticed. It's not an actual change in his appearance, it's textually a trick of the light. There's no deed he does there that shows him to be dark, and even his words aren't strictly dark. It's not a sensible reading of the passage that he's fallen to the dark side for a moment and then comes back, or that he is incorruptible. Dooku has a realization/vision of what would happen if Yoda ever fell, and the text says as much. He's not fallen right there. Yrfeloran 08:25, 16 March 2006 (UTC) [edit]Yoda Stories Canon? Shouldn't this be moved to non-canon appearances? HavetStorm 17:49, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit]Image Old verus Young...Shouldn't the image be a more "recent" one of Yoda on Dagobah? -- Redemption 15:01, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

[edit]Shouldn't Master Vandar be featuresd as the previois Yoda?

144.132.15.155 09:29, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

The article of Yoda's species has addressed that. Darth Kevinmhk 13:51, 20 March 2006 (UTC) Retrieved from "http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/Talk:Yoda" Categories: Wookieepedia featured articles


 * Remember the clone troopers were on their way and even yoda can't block 20 blaster rifles or a missle plus palpatine. Also, Palpatine had the higher ground just like Obi-Wan had the higher ground against anakin. Even though Yoda and Palpatine and Obi-Wan and Anakin were equally skilled it was all a matter of where they were on the battleground. I think its also a re-occuring theme with the ewoks and how they were able to own the stormtroopers --Dumac 03:04, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * We all see the movie. Yoda goes after Palps in the senate. He enters the throne room and engages Sids in a force combat- Draw. Yoda then engages Sids in a saber duel- Draw (Neither the novel nor the movie tells us of Yoda disarming Sids, so for all we know Sids simply put his saber away to start a force duel). Then they engage in a vicious force fight- Draw. So Yoda isn't tougher than sids. But then again, Sids wasnt tougher than Yoda either. They were 100% egual. Tats why when they engage in every type of combat, they stalemate.
 * Yoda disarmed Sidious in both the Screenplay and the junior novel, both canonical. Darth Kevinmhk 02:13, 31 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Wrong, they are not canonical. it was CUT from the screenplay. Neither the novel nor movie show it. And the novilization isn't by Lucas himself, so we cant rely on that. And iv read a few novilizations myself AFTER watching the movie. And scenes from the movie are sometimes totaly different than the novilization describes. But on the topic of disarming, we see Sidious disarming Yoda with his lightning on the senate pod.


 * They are both c-canon and did not directly contradict the g-canon since the camera keep switching between Coruscant and Mustafar in the movie, thus the c-canon elements can happen in off camera time. Even after EP3's release, The Rise of Darth Vader also made reference to Palpy's new deformation in the Senate duel. Darth Kevinmhk 02:53, 2 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Maybe so, but it did not mention HOW he was deformed or why. It just stated his injuries. For all we know, it happened during the saber duel, not because of Sidious' loss. And until GL himself or the cast says Sidious was disarmed, we have to believe he either chucked it or put it away.
 * Respond posted at the duel's talk page. Darth Kevinmhk 15:06, 2 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Well anyway, the two masters were 100% equal and could not beat the other in any category. But in the end, Sids bested Yoda and forced him to retreat.


 * Well, can anybody not say that Palps looked a little scared for a second during the duel? I know that GL said that Palps is da best and everything, and I believe that he beat Yoda, but I think it was more chance than not that he won.  If you look at it from an evolutionary standpoint, Yoda had three fingers and non-opposable thumbs, and actually he slipped off the pod (after brutally scratching it with his fingernails o' death).  I know that sounds very speculatory, but its what I saw.  Also, Palps probably had Clone Troopers on the way ready to shoot the little green dude; there is no way Yoda could fight Palps and the Coruscant shock troopers at the same time.  Palps won, but it should be noted in the BTS section that Yoda could have won.  Under his conditions, though, he was extremely exhausted, as noted in some book I read.  All the deaths during Order 66 took an enormous toll.  Oh, yeah, and FIX THOSE QUOTES!--Vladius Magnum(Clan Magnum)[[Image:dasymbol.gif|20px]]
 * It couldn't be more obvious they were dead equal, it was only because Yoda was lighter that he fell farther. Derek Yoda&#39;s friend 00:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC)Derek Yoda's friend

Yoda's mastery of other saber form
In the article it mentioned Yoda mastered ALL lightsaber forms. But what is the source of that? I look into every novel of prequel but all only mentioned Ataru, never others? Would anyone mind telling me the source? (P.S. I am the one who remove that line from Wikipedia XD )

--Darth Kevinmhk 04:34, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Power of the Jedi. QuentinGeorge 04:37, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I got the Power of the Jedi Sourcebook. I read the part of Yoda, and i dont find anything mentioning his mastery in all 7 forms. Can you please quote the sentence or tell me the page num? Thx! Darth Kevinmhk 08:15, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yoda did master all the forms, its just Ataru is his primary form. If I were writing a Yoda bio, I'd just list Ataru. I wouldn't want to be bothered with listing all of them.
 * Please provide canonical sources to back up your claim, and sign your post. Darth Kevinmhk 03:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Provide a canonical source and I'll believe you. I read somewhere, either in Shatterpoint or one of the other Clone Wars Novels that Mace Windu was the only master of Vapaad. --Ryluk Shouja 10:25, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

loss of Lightsaber
Did Yoda loose his Lightsaber in the Senate Chamber after the Fight with Sidious? So I remember. But I heard He still kept his Lightsaber on Dagobah. So can anyone clear that up for me or can it be mentioned on the page?


 * Yoda lost his saber when he dueled with sidious. We see Yoda get disarmed and have his saber sent away. He never got the chance to retrieve it because the clones were coming for him and he had to get out. but whos to say he didnt create another one?- Dillion Ryan


 * But how could he made a New One in a swmap like Dagobah? In a Book about the places in the Trilogy there seems to be a Picture of his hut with a lightsaber stored in a Case. I dont know the Title right now, cause I dont have this book, but I try to get a picture or at least the title.
 * Please sign your comments. Here is a scan from Inside the Worlds of the Star Wars Trilogy. It clearly shows Yoda has a lightsaber on Dagobah. I'm sure Yoda could have scrapped together the parts from other stuff on the planet. He had nothing else to do there and he's not the first one to visit it. It's possible. Or perhaps he built another one during his trip to Dagobah and it was just never shown on screen. --DannyBoy7783 23:21, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Hey, Moderators...

 * I'll leave the decision in your hands, but I really don't think the story of Yoda training under N'Kata Del Gormo is established canon.
 * Actually it is, according to Leland Chee himself. Please check the link that's on the Design an Alien page to see his messages confirming it. :) &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 18:53, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected. I'd like to thank you very much for pointing that out.
 * And what about Star Wars Tales 16? Is it non-canon? Or is that Yoda as the publisher's summary suggest, or this Minch confirmed to be another member of his species? 201.212.80.128 20:44, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * What a joke. "Oh, it didn't actually win, but it got an honourable mention so we're saying it's canon anyway"... pfft. Suddenly, Yoda is a huge hyprocrite with all this "he is too old to begin the training" stuff, becuase he was certainly old enough to be seeking employment when he hopped on the Jedi wagon. (195.92.168.165 22:31, 2 September 2006 (UTC))
 * Wait, so that is canon? Cause I was gonna say it was vandalism! If that whole bit about him and some random human friend being trained on some random swamp planet by that weird snake dude is canon, then why isn't Cos Palpatine (lol)? But seriously, that section needs to be rewritten to sound less like random vague fanfic and more like an encyclopedia. I'd do it, but I don't know enough about Chuck Hamilton's Yoda story to feel comfortable with it. Ewor Nimajneb 21:35, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

Who's stronger, Yoda or Sidious??

 * Well, we know Sidious won the fight. But in my opinion of who's stronger, Ill say they are 100% equal. Tats why neither Yoda nor Sidious could overcome each other in a battle. They kept stalemating until Yoda finally realized he couldnt defeat Sids and retreated to fight another day.
 * This is not the place for such a debate. Please ask this kind of thing on The Message Boards on StarWars.com or the Jedi Council Forums on TheForce.Net, thank you. --Petiflo 18:29, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

yoda's picture in the info box
I think that one of the best Jedi durring the Great Purges should be seen a little better than this little old green thing on Degobath. i think a picture of him from a better time where he looks younger and a little better would be more apropriate for this jedi master--Zman I was under the impression that pictures should be as up-to-date as possible. - Milo Fett Comlink 02:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC) 02:53, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * First of all, learn how to use the siganture button and how to insert images properly. Second of all, the main picture is fine. it's iconic and represents Yoda much better than when he wields a saber. Ok, so he can use a saber? Big deal. It doesn't define who he is. What's there is fine. Also, do you really think 20 years means anything to a guy who is 900 years old? Other than being CG he looks almost exactly the same.--DannyBoy7783 08:09, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Besides, Palpatine's picture has a lightsaber! - Milo Fett Comlink 00:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think this image would be immensely better for the user box. - JMAS 20:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with Milo Fett. But Sidious 'should' have a lightsaber. Yoda was relatively peaceful, only drawing his lightsaber when he absolutely needed to. He was a consular, remember. -Eon Kaaz 16:37, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right, he doesn't need a lightsaber. I think that JMAS's pic is better than the lightsaber one because it is in the high-definition style of the prequels and is up-to-date. - Milo Fett [Comlink] 03:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

QUOTES
Who changed the Yoda quote? It was so nice... Yoda should not be thought of as a warrior. As with the Palpatine article, the main quotes usually don't fit. I like the old ones. Someone check the page history. "I'm looking for a great warrior" implies that Yoda is all about fighting-and-such, when in reality, he is the ultimate example of a peaceful, scholarly Jedi. It might work for a section, maybe the one on his abilities, but not the main one. As I've said before a few times, quotes should be for the overall character and not one aspect.

Nevermind, I fixed it.--Vladius Magnum(Clan Magnum)

Not totally in exile
"This one a long time have I watched. All his life has he looked away, to the future, to the horizon. Never his mind on where he was, hmm? What he was doing. Hmm. Adventure. Heh. Excitement. Heh. A Jedi craves not these things."

- Yoda, before training Luke Skywalker

This strikes me as explecitly stating that at least once, Yoda himself travelled to Tatooine to spy on Luke, otherwise how would he be bale to say "This one a long time have I watched."? It's obvious he didn't remain on the planet, and it's G-canon. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 21:51, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

This might be explaind by Yoda using the force to moniter Luke or by having Obi-wan relay news threw to him by using the force.Ursan Rafin
 * Then why would he say "have I watched."? If it was Obi-Wan then he would have said so, its possibly about the Force monitoring though. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 19:13, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I've always thought that this meant he watched Luke *through the Force*. It's farseeing at work, not travel. jSarek 19:22, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

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Hi Bye

Error
The section about Yoad fighting the Bpfassh Dark Jedi in 700 BBY makes no sense because in the Bpfassah article is states this happened during the clone wars. The date of 700 BBY also doesn't fit the Hand of Thrawn account of the events.

Battle meditation
when has it said yoda knew Battle meditation?

Yodás Birth World
according to the Web site: http://www.bourne.k12.ma.us/Community/Student_web_month/merlich_student/random%20facts.htm the native planet of Yoda is originally from Grentarik User_talk:Starkiller1996
 * He isn't. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 00:42, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Damn you, SooooperrrrShaaaadowwwww!!! Cutch 00:51, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL When will people learn. It. Is. Not. Going. To. Happen. Yoda's species and/or homeworld will never be revealed, not by any licensed source anyway. George Lucas has said as much. Rick McCallum has confirmed on more than one occassion that George has stated he will not allow Yoda's species to become known. More likely than not, that is why he omitted Yaddle from any scenes in AOTC, and then had killed in the comics ... she raised people's hopes that this information would be revealed at long last ... but it won't. Period. - JMAS 01:45, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Why?
Yoda's quote "try not, do or do not. There is no try." was put twice and had nothing to do with Leia being Luke's sister. I put "There is another Skywalker..." but someone changed it back? Why? I can't see why mine was bad.


 * Sorry, I reverted the article because over half of it was blanked out. If you wish to change that quote, then by all means. However, don't delete massive portions of the article when doing so, please. However the portion in question is referring to Luke as another Skywalker (the first being Anakin.) Vryce 06:23, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Why does the quote have to be about Leia being Luke's sister? That part of the article is talking about Luke, not about Leia.  Personally, I like the current quote. --Ryluk Shouja(User talk:Ryluk Shouja)10:43, 19 February 2007 (UTC)