Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Gor


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Gor

 * Nominated by: Darth Trayus  Sith_Emblem.svg ( Trayus Academy ) 08:46, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: First pet nom ever?

(5 ACs/4 Users/9 Total)
Support
 * 1)  Mauser  Comlink 18:27, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) --Kreivi Wolter 19:22, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) This thing is called like John Norman's works. Thanks for not mentioning it. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:31, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 4)  IFYLOFD  ( You will pay the price for your lack of vision! ) 02:14, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 5)  Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Jedi Beacon ) 23:06, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) &mdash;Master Jonathan(Jedi Council Chambers) 03:09, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 7)  CC7567  (talk) 22:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 8)  Graestan ( Talk ) 17:43, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:59, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) About Grievous
 * 2) * Grievous wasn't Supreme Commander, he was a Supreme Commander of the Droid Armies. There is a difference!
 * 3) **Fixed.
 * 4) * Grievous's and Gor's relation should be mentioned in Characteristics.
 * 5) **Now that it's biology and appearance, that information wouldn't really belong. Information that is largely difficult to write about in the first place, as it's never really concretely spoken of. Darth Trayus  Sith_Emblem.svg ( Trayus Academy ) 18:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) *--Kreivi Wolter 10:25, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) Mauser:
 * 8) * I believe you've checked both the Visual Guide and Grievous Attacks for any unique info?
 * 9) **Yup. He's kind of a straight-forward guy.
 * 10) * IMO, Characteristics should really be Biology and Appearance.
 * 11) **Good call.
 * 12) *Not sure what esle to add.  Mauser  Comlink 13:26, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 13) **Thanks for the review. Darth Trayus  Sith_Emblem.svg ( Trayus Academy ) 18:00, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 14) IFYLOFD:
 * 15) * Quote for biology and appearance?
 * 16) **Will that work? Haha, there's not many quotes for this fella.
 * 17) *And that's it. Well done.  IFYLOFD  ( You will pay the price for your lack of vision! ) 01:42, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 18) **Thank you. Darth Trayus  Sith_Emblem.svg ( Trayus Academy ) 06:15, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 19) Just one: could you make the battle at the end a little less play-by-play?  Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Jedi Beacon ) 20:32, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 20) *I would, but I've already had to cut down some of the pbp. The character's whole life story is based off of that single fight, so that makes it difficult not to be rather play by play. Darth Trayus  Sith_Emblem.svg ( Trayus Academy ) 20:36, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 21) **Fair enough. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Jedi Beacon ) 21:51, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 22) I lied: one more thing :P. I think you should add a Behavoir section, per the LG for non- and semi-sentient species articles. This could possibly be merged with bio and appearance&mdash;such as "Biology and behavior", or "Behavior and appearance" (it's a new type of nom, don't be afraid to try something different)&mdash;or, if there is enough information, just give it a separate behavior section.  Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Jedi Beacon ) 21:51, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 23) *Does that work? There's really not much about his behavior other than "He was aggressive" so I added Grievous's reactions to Gor's death. Darth Trayus  Sith_Emblem.svg ( Trayus Academy ) 22:47, 25 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 24) Attack of the Clone
 * 25) * Is it "Roggwart" or "roggwart"? Both the episode guide and The Visual Guide claim the latter, and I'm not sure what we do for species capitalization (or if we even have anything on it).  CC7567  (talk) 03:30, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 26) **I noticed that too. As far as I've seen, all species are capitalized. I remember seeing somewhere that despite the fact that "Human" is commonly refered to with a lower case "h" in sources, Wookieepedia would capitalize the word. I'm using that same logic for now. If I'm crazy and the whole "human/Human" thing never happened, please, somebody correct me. Darth Trayus  Sith_Emblem.svg ( Trayus Academy ) 04:49, 26 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 27) ***There is a difference between sentient and non-sentient species. Not all species are capitalized. The trend seems to be that non-sentient species are not capitalized; see: Wampa. So, I have gone through and de-capitalized all mentions of the species. Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:00, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 28) * "Confederacy of Independent Systems' cyborg Supreme Commander, General Grievous": that's a bit...excess context, wouldn't you say? Please try and shorten it.
 * 29) **Took out cyborg.
 * 30) * Please try and condense the details in the second paragraph of the Bio; yes, some context is needed for the setup of the battle, but this is rather a lot.
 * 31) **I have to disagree with you on that. That information explains why the Jedi were on Vassek, and by extension why Gor died. In addition, that paragraph only has three sentences not directly related to Gor himself, all of which provide necessary context.
 * 32) * If you're going to say that Dooku had to "reassess" Grievous's abilities, then you need to say why, but going with the previous objection, I'd recommend simply removing it.
 * 33) **Done.
 * 34) * Are you sure it was Gunray who went to the Vassek system and not the tracking beacon itself? I can't remember that being in the Decoded episode, which is what it's sourced to. To my knowledge, it's still unclear exactly how the beacon got to the moon.  CC7567  (talk) 04:57, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 35) **I'll reword this when I have more time. Darth Trayus  Sith_Emblem.svg ( Trayus Academy ) 16:42, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 36) ***Good?
 * 37) ****I've reworded it a bit more; I still can't find any sources that said Gunray went to the Vassek system.  CC7567  (talk) 22:25, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 38) * Please vary "in order to". I would also recommend checking for redundant wording.  CC7567  (talk) 20:05, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 39) **Varied "in order to". Please pinpoint the redundancies for me. Darth Trayus  Sith_Emblem.svg ( Trayus Academy ) 07:54, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 40) Graestan the Merciless:
 * 41) * "and was one of the few creatures to which Grievous appeared to be attached" – Is this explicitly stated somewhere? It sounds speculative.
 * 42) **Well, his emotional response to Gor's death and his eagerness to see Gor upon his return was what gave it away to me. It's never concretely stated, but that is concretely how it appeared. Darth Trayus  Sith_Emblem.svg ( Trayus Academy ) 05:52, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 43) ***And is therefore concretely speculation. Graestan ( Talk ) 00:03, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 44) ****See below. I gave in and threw it out. Darth Trayus  Sith_Emblem.svg ( Trayus Academy ) 09:30, 9 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 45) * "digitigrade" – There's enough Star Wars jargon in these articles without zoology jargon as well.
 * 46) **Outta there. Darth Trayus  Sith_Emblem.svg ( Trayus Academy ) 05:52, 3 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 47) * Graestan ( Talk ) 23:55, 2 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 48) Toprawa:
 * 49) * Per the objection already made by Graestan, this claim needs to go. It's speculative and Original Research. This can easily be reworded just to say that he showed an attachment to the beast, etc. Avoid weasel words like "apparently" when writing articles: "and was one of the few creatures to which Grievous appeared to be attached."
 * 50) * Ditto here. Also, how do you know he was saddened? That's pretty OR: "The general himself appeared to be fond of Gor, seeking him out immediately upon his return to his castle and becoming both saddened and angered with his pet's death." Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:00, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 51) **I've removed both, but I have to say that the saddened and angered part it a pretty common sense-based assumption. Listen to his voice. He doesn't sound like that when droids are destroyed. Look at how he slams his fist down on the console after Gor's death. That's pretty good evidence that he was upset by it. Darth Trayus  Sith_Emblem.svg ( Trayus Academy ) 02:28, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 52) **Actually, I've changed my mind. I don't feel saying "appeared" is weasle-ish at all. Because the fact of the matter is that it did indeed appear that way to the viewer. It's not original research because it's the obvious intent of that particular scene to show that Grievous has some kind of emotional response to Gor's death. I will, however, change the word "attached" because I will admit that it is a smidge strong for the situation. Darth Trayus  Sith_Emblem.svg ( Trayus Academy ) 02:40, 4 August 2009 (UTC)
 * 53) ***Oh fine I give in. I like how I convinced myself of that. I just can't decide whether to be defiant or cooperative. ;P

Comments


 * I haven't seen a GA or FA for a specific nonsentient character before, so I just did a characteristics section and put its' appearance information in there. A personality and traits section just wouldn't have applied.
 * A soundbyte of Gor's death scream might be nice. :P  CC7567  (talk) 04:57, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
 * This might be a bit too cavilling but upon reading through my newly acquired copy of Tolkien's The Silmarillion (HarperCollins-ISBN:0261102737) I saw an appendix titled "Elements in Quenya and Sindarin names". Apparently Gor means "horror, dread"; might be something to add to the article. Nayayen [[Image:Old Republic military symbol.png|18px]] talk  19:19, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds noteworthy to me. Thanks. Darth Trayus  Sith_Emblem.svg ( Trayus Academy ) 03:07, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * On a second look, I removed it, as there are too many other possible origins for the name. I'll readd that if any more solid info comes to light. Darth Trayus  Sith_Emblem.svg ( Trayus Academy ) 04:00, 23 August 2009 (UTC)