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Darth Caedus

 * Nominated by: Havac 04:09, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Over a year later, it's finally done. It'll probably take that long to pass, too. Havac 04:09, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

(2 Inqs/4 Users/6 Total)
Support
 * 1) On the proviso the FF get added --Eyrezer 06:44, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) *I'll note here that they have indeed been added. Havac 06:03, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Seems fine to me  Lele Mj New_Jedi_Order.svg ( Holoprojetor ) 23:38, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Thefourdotelipsis 23:16, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) I've been through this twice now doing my usual linking and spelling and formatting checks, and it reads about as cleanly as any other FREAKING HUGE ARTICLE. --  Darth Culator  (Talk) 00:37, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) Jedi Kasra (comlink) 21:25, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) This one really should be FA. And looks good enough for me. --DARTH SIDIOUS 2 (Contact) 21:00, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Timeline
 * 2) * The section "still the student" reads: "He did not leave immediately, however. He spent some time instructing other Jedi, among them Nelani Dinn, whom he trained in lightsaber combat." This seems to suggest that he instructed Nelani before he set out on his journey, although Betrayal claims that this occurred in 33 ABY. It's a bit confusing as it currently reads.
 * 3) **Betrayal's statement that it was "seven years ago" that he trained her is an artifact of Betrayal's original setting in 37 ABY; after it was removed, some time references had to be rewritten and this one wasn't caught. The same rewrite was responsible for the mixup saying Zekk was younger than Jaina; one of their ages got corrected but not the other. Havac 05:24, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) ***I know that, but the sentence, as it currently reads, still seems to imply that he instructed Nelani before he left, which hasn't been established in canon, and is thus conjecture. The "seven years ago" statement is really a currently unresolved continuity issue, and I think it warrants a note in "Behind the scenes", just as in Nelani Dinn's article. Menkooroo 19:01, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) ****Well, it implies that because that's obviously the situation. We know there's a timing error; we know that if we read it as a leftover mistake, it makes sense; we know if we read it as correct it makes no sense (Jacen is randomly heading back to train random Jedi in lightsaber technique, but refuses to see his parents even though he misses them?). It's a mistake, pure and simple. Just like all the stuff that's supposedly twenty years ago in Patterns of Force; we know it's not because it doesn't make sense and the book is riddled with timeline errors. It's a good idea to note it in the BTS, though, and I've done that.
 * 6) *****Awesome. Really well-done paragraph in BTS. Menkooroo 20:36, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) * Also, what's the basis for claiming that Jacen didn't set out on his journey until 30 ABY? Is it the consistent use of "five-year journey" in post-NJO novels? Even with that in mind, it still seems like conjecture on your part, unless it's been explicitly stated that he waited a year to leave.
 * 8) **It's the five-year journey bit, yes. It would be conjecture for me to say he left right away and all the other sources calling it five years were wrong on the assumption or inference that he had to have left in a matter of days right after TUF. Though that seems to be the vague assumption that the material kind of forwarded by not explicitly saying he hung around a while before leaving, other than the thing with Nelani, it's only a vague inference whereas the more specific references tell explicitly against it. I'm just working with what canon established. Havac 05:24, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) ***Maybe source the "30 ABY" in that sentence, and make a note of it in the reference? A note establishing that the novel(s) sourced indicate it was a five-year journey. That would clear up confusion, and make it clear to everyone that it's bsaed on in-novel statements and is not conjecture. Menkooroo 19:01, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * 10) ****It's already sourced to The Joiner King, which establishes that it was a five-year journey that ended in 35 ABY. There's not really any more sourcing needed -- if anything that might be questioned as "is that an inference or a guess or right in the text?" had to get sourced and noted, there would be twenty refs saying "No, that's in there," in each paragraph. I get what you're saying, but I don't think it's really necessary or practical. Havac 20:18, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * 11) *****Yeah, you're right. For completeness's sake, I'd suggest adding in a couple more sources immediately after "Jacen set out in 35 ABY" (other novels which call it a five-year journey), but that's just a preference of mine, not a requirement. Cheers. Menkooroo 20:36, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * 12) * Ditto claiming that he visited the Baran Do Sages in 34 ABY --- Outcast states that he visited them near the end of his journey, but does it actually explicitly state that it was in 34 ABY? If not, then 34 ABY seems like conjecture based on the idea of The Joiner King taking place at the very beginning of 35 ABY.
 * 13) **The Baran Do, in 43 ABY, say he visited them nine years ago. Havac 05:24, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * 14) ***My mistake! Menkooroo 19:01, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * 15) * Some image captions end in punctuation while others don't.
 * 16) **Those which are complete sentences end in punctuation; those that aren't don't. Image caption policy. Havac 05:24, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * 17) *I'm pretty nitpicky about timeline things, but a very well-done and extensively researched article with a fantastic use of images. Excellent job, Havac. Menkooroo 03:09, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * 18) **Thank you. Havac 05:24, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * 19) * The fourth paragraph of "Deep doubts" reads: "When five beetles menaced a pair of vulnerable Vors, however, he was forced to kill. More beetles were drawn to his lightsaber, forcing him to throw it away and run." I think it's worth mentioning that it was Droma who convinced him to throw the lightsaber. Droma was part of the expedition, and was the one who realized that they were attracted to light sources. Menkooroo 20:56, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * 20) **You just love Droma, don't you Jeff? I've added in a mention. Havac 01:44, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * 21) ***Damn right I do. But I also did legitimately feel like the paragraph was incomplete. Feel the Ryn love! Menkooroo 03:46, October 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * 22) Why do I sometimes drop into the FAN page for some ultimately minor and random objection?
 * 23) * Maybe mention somewhere his preference of darker coloured clothing/furnishings during his time as Sith Lord? I believe his GA office was almost completely black, as were his robes and weird armor-ish stuff he wore underneath. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie  the truth  ) 08:35, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * 24) **I've added a notation on the clothes, which is a good catch. I can't find anything about the office. If you come up with a quote, let me know. Havac 23:21, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * 25) ***I'm pretty sure it was somewhere, possibly in early FOTJ or LOTF, but I can't be sure. Never mind then, and apologies for not attending to this objection earlier. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie  the truth  ) 04:22, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 26) Me again.
 * 27) * Hey Hav, could you add something to Bts about ? Miniatures too if you want to, links and.
 * 28) **I actually took care of this under the Sofixit clause. I'm leaving my below question, though, as I think it might actually be a policy that individual issues need to be referenced, and not story arcs. Although I could be confusing it with a similar but different policy. I'd take care of it myself, but I'm trade-waiting for Invasion. Menkooroo 12:06, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 29) ***It was a good writeup, but I've moved the paragraph for minor layout purposes, and I've cut out the Miniatures information, as it's not particularly notable for a major EU character to have minis and so doesn't really merit a writeup. The action figure stuff is noteworthy, though. Havac 05:38, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 30) * You've cited a few story arcs in Legacy and Invasion --- can you source the individual issues? For example, what's currently reference #104 is a link to Star Wars Legacy: Vector --- how do you feel about changing it to Star Wars Legacy 31: Vector, Part 12? Menkooroo 14:07, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * 31) **I don't source to issues, for a couple reasons. One is that it's too small a thing to cite to -- it creates a clutter of citations for small increments of a story, like citing chapters in a book. The other is that the story isn't presented for posterity in issue form -- it's collected in story form in trades. So there's no way for most people to even know what issue anything is from. And there's no rule requiring citation by issue, because of those limitations. Havac 05:38, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 32) ***Ah, cool. I must have been mixing it up with a different policy. Also, I'd give the article a full review, but I'll be reading YJK relatively soon (I swear!) and naturally want to be unspoiled. Menkooroo 07:15, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 33) Eyrezer:
 * 34) * "Left once more in torture which ceased only when the Embrace of Pain had pushed him to his absolute limits and had to allow him to recover." This sentence seems incomplete. Is it meant to lead in to the following sentence? --Eyrezer 02:55, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 35) **Reworded. Havac 06:19, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 36) * "Solo was deeply worried about his vision, and used a Fallanassi memory rub to suppress Skywalker's memories that he had been on Hapes, traveling to Endor and spending time camping in order to lead his apprentice to believe that they had gone on the Endor trip exactly as planned." What do you mean by the bit after "on Hapes"? Is it replacing them with memories of going to Endor, or did they actually go? --Eyrezer 12:57, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 37) **Clarified. Havac 06:19, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 38) * "a man held several individuals hostage at gunpoint, and had another man and high explosives strapped to his back." Should this be "with high explosives strapped to his back"? --Eyrezer 23:43, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 39) **No, he had both high explosives and a man strapped to his back. I've clarified it. Havac 06:19, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 40) * You also seem to be missing some links/sources from WotC, such as this one. Some of the Jedi Counseling too. --Eyrezer 01:14, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 41) **I've added that one and a few more. But I can't see the point of adding a dozen Q&As about a Jacen mini's vitality points or whether he can be used in a squad with Jaina -- it's purely gameplay mechanics. They're not talking about the character; they're talking about a minifigure. It's like including every Hasbro shipping manifest with Luke's name on it in his article. I don't believe we include Jedi Counseling. Havac 06:19, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 42) * You also have no Fact Files listed as sources,ie 118. I also suspect there must be more Insider articles that mention Jacen, such as 20 Most Memorable Moments of the Expanded Universe, The 100 Greatest Things About Star Wars... Ever!, and The New Jedi Order in 100 Easy Lessons. He also has entries in the second and third editions of A Guide to the Star Wars Universe. --Eyrezer 01:34, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 43) **I'll ask Jaymach about Fact Files, but I can't possibly know every single Insider article that mentions him. Unless someone brings me something with him in it, I can't prove the negative that no article has something about him, and it's not like we include every single namecheck of a character in a wholly OOU article anyway. If someone can point out something specific that includes Jacen and either includes actual information or is about IU reality, I'll add it. GTTSWU is added, too. Havac 06:19, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 44) ***The idea of those Insider articles is that they point to his OOU notability. Can you add something to the Bts based on 20 Most Memorable Moments of the Expanded Universe and The 100 Greatest Things About Star Wars... Ever!? It could fit nicely near the part where you say he is among relatively few from the Expanded Universe to receive his own action figure. Galaxy of Intrigue has a whole section on him re the GAG too, although nothing particularly notable. --Eyrezer 23:31, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 45) ****I've gone through GOI, and yeah, nothing to add. I've also added 20 Most Memorable Moments in, and am still looking for a copy of 100 Greatest Things. Havac 04:00, April 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * 46) * There is also some info from The Last One Standing: The Tale of Boba Fett you should add. --Eyrezer 02:00, April 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 47) **Added. Havac 06:19, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 48) Nayayen
 * 49) * Target from birth: "they were nearly captured before Mara Jade intervened" Context on Mara Jade?
 * 50) **Added. Havac 05:47, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 51) * It isn't obvious what the Galaxy gun is capable of (and, hence, why they needed to escape).
 * 52) **Well, it's got "gun" in the name and the station was targeted with it. What more do you need to know? Havac 05:47, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 53) * (just after the image of Kun) "Organa Solo succeeded in rescuing Anakin" I had to read back up the article to see why/where she was rescuing him. "from the Imperial Remnants" and/or "from Anoth" would probably do.
 * 54) **It's in the last paragraph, but fine. Havac 05:47, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 55) * "creation of the Imperial Remnant again sent the adult Solos and Chewbacca scrambling" Again should be moved here because I suspect it is the Solos scrambling that has happened again, rather than the Remnant being created again, although I don't know to be sure.
 * 56) **This "again sent them scrambling". The adverb again is modifying the verb it's next to, sent, and not the subject, creation, well up the sentence. Havac 05:47, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 57) * The Empire Reborn: What's a hold-father? I (despite being reasonably knowledgeable as a Wookieepedian) had to click the link to find out what a few words could have said.
 * 58) **But that's why there's a link. The article can't be a dictionary entry on every word Jacen comes in contact with. You don't see an encyclopedia going out of its way to define "godfather" every time it comes up in another article. And what can I really say? "Hethrir claimed to be Jacen's hold-father, the Star Wars universe equivalent of a godfather"? There's no real way to concisely define it; the term relies entirely on the intuitive link to the fact that it's a stand-in for a godfather. Havac 05:47, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 59) * You use "spirited away" near the end of each of the first two paragraphs which seems a bit repetitive (or maybe that's because I'm thinking of the film every time I read it =D).
 * 60) **Good catch. Changed up. Havac 05:47, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 61) * "she had Winter take them to Anoth for the duration of the crisis" Did they actually do anything while they were there? I don't know most of the source material so I'm not actually sure, I assume not though.
 * 62) **No, that's the extent of it. Havac 05:47, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 63) * "and once more sneaked onto the landing above the living room" When did they sneak up there before?
 * 64) **When they noticed Mara Jade. I added that. Havac 05:47, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 65) * "announced its control of the mysterious "starbuster" superweapon" I can only guess from reading Betrayal that this is Centerpoint Station but it is not at all obvious here.
 * 66) **Well, they didn't know that it was Centerpoint either. They learn that later. At the moment, it's just a mysterious superweapon. Havac 05:47, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 67) ***Just because they don't know that it is Centerpoint doesn't mean the reader shouldn't. It isn't obvious that the "mysterious "starbuster" weapon" is Centerpoint. I think a link to Centerpoint here would be beneficial (keeping the second link).  NAYAYEN : TALK 07:46, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 68) ****Linked. Havac 05:46, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 69) *I'll continue with "Jedi Training" later. Only 7 more of the 8 massive sections to go...  Nayayen &mdash; TALK  13:55, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 70) **Thanks for the review. Havac 05:47, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 71) * Student of the force: "Outside, they found that a massive beast had emerged from the jungle" Link for the "massive beast"?
 * 72) **To what? There's no article, and the book doesn't say what it is. It's just some beast. Havac 05:46, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 73) ***Sorry, I didn't know that it wasn't identified in the book.  NAYAYEN : TALK 10:36, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 74) * Temptation at the shadow academy: "Solo hit upon the idea of using his Corusca gem, still secreted in his boot" When did he hide it in his boot. This is the only time boot appears in the whole article.
 * 75) **That's the idea. He gets his gem, he's captured, and his gem is in his boot. That way we don't break up his capture with play-by-play about him fiddling with his shoes when you can just as easily introduce the fact when it becomes relevant. I took out "still" so it's clearer. Havac 05:46, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 76) * The search for Bornan Thul: "They were saved by the intervention of Raabakyysh" And he was there why?
 * 77) **Clarified, though Kevin J. Anderson does not deign to make his books make much sense. Havac 05:46, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 78) * Making peace: "the ship narrowly avoided several mines." Can you clarify at this point that the mines weren't some part of the race to make it more interesting?
 * 79) **Clarified. Havac 05:46, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 80) * "The woman introduced herself as Anja Gallandro . . . systems in the area had killed Gallandro." Who is the second Gallandro? Her father? Also, it isn't clear which one gets killed and is then being referred to later. You can probably do this with the "daughter of an accomplished gunfighter" sentence.
 * 81) **The second Gallandro is her father, the gunfighter Han Solo killed. Thus the male pronoun, the link, the fact that this Gallandro ends up dead, which is the complaint of the person of the opposite sex who's still there, etc, etc. This is the clearest possible way to do it without trying to tack a bunch more clauses into the sentence. Havac 05:46, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 82) * Battling Black Sun: "and Gallandro's addiction, suggested that her destination was Kessel." Why would her addiction suggest Kessel?
 * 83) **Spelled out. Havac 05:46, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 84) *Not quite so many in this section but don't forget that last objection of mine earlier.  NAYAYEN : TALK 13:28, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 85) * Protector or privateer?: "...that Jade Skywalker was pregnant, and Solo had to admit that he had already known." Why did he need to admit this?
 * 86) **Because everyone looked at his lack of surprise and said, "You knew, didn't you?" Havac 01:08, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 87) * Everything changes: "...Solo devised a plan to use Bela Hara's body as a lure..." This is the only time that "Bela Hara" is mentioned in the article. Who was she? Why did they have her body at that time? Link?
 * 88) **Perils of a huge article. You lose track of what you've introduced already. Fixed. Havac 01:08, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 89) * "Anakin, near death from his worsening amphistaff wound..." It would be less confusing for this to appear here if you mention that his injuried were caused by an amphistaff to begin with. I don't know if this a different wound to the earlier ones.
 * 90) **Fixed. Havac 01:08, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 91) * Loss and rediscovery: "After weeks or months in the Nursery..." Is the capital "N" a typo or for a proper noun? If it is the latter, "Nursery" sounds like it needs an article, unless there is reason not to.
 * 92) **It's a proper noun. Made an article. Havac 01:08, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 93) * The Truth: "They entered the Well, where Solo urged Rhysode to flee into a secret tunnel network beneath the building, possibly escaping." Is it that there was the possibility for him to escape? "Possibly" on its own sounds speculative.
 * 94) **It's possible that he escapes; it's not guaranteed that the tunnel will get him out. Havac 01:08, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 95) * Return to the Republic: "...established a new High Council to govern the Jedi Order..." High Council links to a disambig. Can you point it to the correct article or, if it does not have one, create it?
 * 96) **Linked. Havac 01:08, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 97) * The search for Zonoma Sekot: "the Dreadnaught Braxant Bonecrusher as bait an liberate the prisoners aboard" The "an" is clearly a typo and it looks like it could be "and", but "to" sounds more likely. I'll let you fix it to whatever you intended.
 * 98) **Fixed. Havac 01:08, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 99) * The living world: "Widowmaker was left behind or destroyed in the leap." Is this uncertainty held by the characters or do we as the readers not know? In the case of the former, please clarify this. In the case of the latter, find a way to word it so there is no uncertainty (which I think comes under speculation).
 * 100) **Both readers and characters are uncertain. It didn't come with them, which meant it was either left behind or destroyed. I've clarified. Havac 01:08, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 101) *I'll continue with "Unorthodox Jedi" later. Just over halfway through!  NAYAYEN : TALK 14:05, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 102) *Corellian tensions Would it be worth mentioning that, when training with Seyah, one of them would frequently die in the simulations. IIRC, Solo was worried about whether this meant that they'd be able to complete the mission.
 * 103) *Uhm, that's it actually, the Legacy-era content was problem free (I had an hour or so this afternoon to read it). I've only come close to writing an article a tenth of this length so, really, great job with it.  NAYAYEN : TALK 16:47, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 104) Just a few bits of odd phrasing:
 * 105) * “Feeling Rhysode's battle in the Force, Solo rushed from the pool to help him, but was cut off by Vergere. She insisted that if he went to the other Jedi's aid, both would die. He must honor Rhysode's sacrifice by escaping with his life.”
 * 106) **Fixed. Havac 05:46, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 107) * “Kre'fey's forces continued to make experience-building raids on relatively weak Yuuzhan Vong targets, building experience for two months.”
 * 108) **Ugh. Yeah, fixed. Havac
 * 109) *Still reading, though... Thefourdotelipsis 01:05, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 110) A Pound of Flesh:
 * 111) * "it became clear that Zekk had been recruited by the Shadow Academy, a Force-sensitive whom the twins had never even suspected." Who was the Force-sensitive you speak of, the Shadow Academy? Please clarify.
 * 112) **Awkwardly-placed appositive relocated. Havac 05:46, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 113) * "A branch had given way and plunged Chewbacca lower, breaking his leg. She had been visited by Zekk, who warned her away from the academy, claiming it would be struck soon, before departing." Not sure who the "she" is of whom you are speaking, since the preceding sentence is about Chewbacca.
 * 114) **Clarified. Havac 05:46, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 115) * "One, piloted by the Lost Ones leader Norys, relentlessly pursued the Lightning Rod back into atmosphere&mdash;where Norys was shot down by Qorl, who was leading the TIE assault on the Praxeum, for insubordination and disobedience." For whose insubordination and disobedience? The Praxeum's? Please clarify.
 * 116) **Norys was shot down by Qorl (appositive on Qorl) for insubordination and disobedience. What's not clear? Havac 05:46, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 117) *More coming, up to "The Diversity Alliance." —Tommy 9281 15:26, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 118) * The use of "Solo" to describe Jaina in the last few portions of the bio is genuinely confusing, given that the vast majority of the article prior to that uses "Jaina," and "Solo" in turn for Jacen. In those few instances, just for the sake of clarity, it would be better to stick with Jaina. Thefourdotelipsis 09:33, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 119) Soresu, now that his votes mean something
 * 120) * Rejecting his self-imposed hermitage, Skywalker was ready to take a larger hand in guiding the children's development. What hermitage? To be continued... SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie  the truth  ) 12:13, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 121) **I have added some context on that. See how you like that. Havac 05:28, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 122) * Zekk left them a message pod before the station departed A little unclear here, considering that you haven't explicitly mentioned that Zekk was on board, and who "them" refers to is unclear. Fixing either of these should make it clear enough.
 * 123) **Missed this the first time through. Fixed. Havac 01:26, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 124) * Is there an article for the seaweed creature? It's got enough info on it to warrant one.
 * 125) **Found it and linked it. Havac 01:08, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 126) * Mention the arrival of NR reinforcements to the Jedi Academy attack, or it's unclear how they win. Up to the Search for Bornan Thul.
 * 127) **Mentioned. Havac 01:08, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 128) *The strike team survivors, with the single exception of Jaina Solo, and several other Jedi felt Solo's presence in a blaze of intensity before it was consumed by pain and once more cut off as Solo was left bereft of the Force, convincing most who felt it that Solo was dead. A few things unclear here. Reword a little for clarity please. Also, since Jaina is an exception, does she believe that Jacen died?
 * 129) *Onto my favorite novel: As Vergere pushed Solo to decide who he was, he thought, and declared that he was a Jedi. Reword please, I was confused until I read this 2 or 3 times. As should probably be when too.
 * 130) *The Yuuzhan Vong saw twins, rare in their species, as special, and one was always destined to kill the other before ascending to greatness. Just took a look through Traitor, and I don't believe this is specifically stated anywhere. Could have missed it though.
 * 131) *Solo urged Rhysode to flee into a secret tunnel network beneath the building, possibly escaping. Possibly escaping sounds kind of thrown in. Up to the Living World. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie  the truth  ) 12:06, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * Yes, I know. Redlinks. They'll be eliminated. Havac 04:09, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
 * I count 23 18  16  6 zero, some of which can probably be pointed to existing pages as I've done with several already. ( Airship, board game , coraltree basal , Corellian Space Defense Force , dazzle-grenade , Dragon's Teeth , electroencephaloscan , fighting-sight , Font of Power , Garqi Resistance , grand marshal , ion shield generator , Legal and Legislative Department , medical runner , Mind Walking , mirror illusion , Mists of Forgetfulness , Pool of Knowledge , railcar , safety stick , Star Wars: The New Jedi Order Round-Robin Interview , Throne of Balance , and twin bond , for easy reference.) --  Darth Culator  (Talk) 01:25, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Some more: actuator, Corellian villa, court-martial, You Bet I Love Jedi, Talkin' Jedi With JD , Champions of the Force Previews 7: Solo Twins and Jedi Sentinel --Eyrezer 00:43, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I trust you will update the article with any new info from the Star Wars: Invasion comics?--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 14:01, October 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * Of course. Havac 20:26, October 10, 2009 (UTC)

Operation: Knightfall

 * Nominated by: NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 02:36, February 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Same reason as Gelesi

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Support
 * 1) Good article. Coruscantfan 03:29, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Needs info from Star Wars Purge: Seconds to Die.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 13:59, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) *Added. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 04:34, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Image for the prelude? Kreivi Wolter 10:04, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) *Added one of Anakin and Palpy at the opera. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 04:40, April 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) The section at the end of the prelude where the transfer of the 501st is mentioned needs to be reworded. The timeline of events doesn't flow as well as it could. It seems confusing and could come across as in conflict with the movie at first glance. Good job keep it up! Coruscantfan 00:13, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) *I'm not sure what you mean by a problem with the timeline flow. Vader was coronated, told to go to the Temple for Knightfall with the 501st being assigned to him, then Order 66 was given; in that order. Neither does it conflict with the movie because the clones taking part during the movie were the 501st, per SWBF2. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 01:46, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) ** Sorry let me clarify. The way its written makes it sound like the 501st was transferred from Utapau after Order 66 came down in which case it would be in conflict since they were already there waiting to march on the Jedi Temple when the actual order was given. My suggestion is you rewrite that part of the section or just the sentence to say that "The troopers of the 501st Legion had been transferred to Coruscant..." I know it seems minor but it would make the section flow better. I have to say you have done a very good job with this article!! Keep it up. Coruscantfan 02:14, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) ***No, Vader was given his orders then Order 66 was given moments after. The 501st were sent concurrently with the former event or at the same time 66 was given. The 501st were therefore physically transferred after 66 was in full swing (i.e. the Jedi deaths montage), arriving that night, just before the assault. Skywalker then killed Jurokk and they marched. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 02:49, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) ****Actually (This part of the movie came on TV just now) Order 66 was given as Skywalker and the 501st walked up the steps of the Jedi Temple. I do have to make a small shange to the article to account for that, but everything except the placement of 66 is correct per the movie. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 02:59, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10) *****Ok, well it looks better now. I think the problem was that you were making a distinction between Vader's personal orders and Order 66 which makes sense but I wasn't thinking along those lines. Article looks great, good job. Coruscantfan 03:23, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11) Things and such
 * 12) * "Operation: Knightfall, which took place in 19 BBY immediately before the end of the Clone Wars between the Galactic Republic and the Confederacy of Independent Systems," - Extraneous exposition and context. Since you're using the Clone Wars as a framing and dating device, you don't need to explain it.
 * 13) **Removed. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 21:02, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 14) * "After assisting in the death of Jedi Master Mace Windu and submitting to Dark Lord of the Sith and Supreme Chancellor of the Republic Palpatine's teachings, the newly anointed Darth Vader—formerly a Jedi Knight—and the clone troopers of the 501st Legion stormed the Jedi Temple on Coruscant, initiating a massacre concurrent with the activation of Order 66, a galaxy-wide hunt of the Jedi by their former clone comrades." - This sentence needs to be broken up and rejigged a bit, for readability and flow.
 * 15) **I can't believe I missed that. Fixed. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 04:56, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 16) *The intro itself feels a bit lopsided; half of it is about the aftermath instead of the battle itself.
 * 17) * "The Knight was shocked by this revelation and he fled to the Jedi Temple to inform Jedi Master Mace Windu, who immediately alerted the Temple and took a squad of Masters to apprehend him." - This reads oddly, namely the "immediately alerted the Temple," part. I would have said "those present at the Temple," but I'm not entirely sure what you mean by "alerted" in this case.
 * 18) **Fixed. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 04:56, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 19) * The first paragraph of the "The battle" is too play-by-play, and should be cut down.
 * 20) **Done. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 21:02, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 21) * There might be just a little bit too much detail on Koon's movements.
 * 22) **Cut out parts about Plo and Palpatine. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 21:02, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 23) * If you're going to specify the Jedi by their in-game class types, you should link to them. But since those were TC'd long ago (I think,) I'd suggest not mentioning the class types, and just referring to them colloquially as Jedi Knights or whatever.
 * 24) **Removed. Apparently Chee said the classes were non-canon. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 21:02, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 25) ***Good, although there are still a few mentions of the classes in the infobox and the body. Thefourdotelipsis 00:01, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 26) * Were the Jedi interceptors trying to flee? As far as I can recall, the fighters move to attack the anti-aircraft gun.
 * 27) **Fixed. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 04:56, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 28) *The murder of the younglings in the High Council Chamber is sourced to the game... does it actually show that? I can't remember if it's mentioned in the text or not, but it's not ringing any bells.
 * 29) *Palpatine visiting the temple to congratulate Vader might be relevant.
 * 30) * Much of the "Jedi Casualties" section is redundant.
 * 31) **Not anymore. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 04:56, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 32) *There's only scant detail on the actual clone occupation of the Jedi Temple, and next to no detail on how much damage was actually inflicted on the temple itself. There's probably a lot of juicy detail in the second Jedi Temple mission of the ROTS game for that kind of stuff. Thefourdotelipsis 11:47, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * 33) **It'll take me some time to get my hands on the game again, I'll deal with those objections when I can. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 21:02, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 34) ***No problem. And if it looks as though you've addressed the objections and I haven't struck after a while, feel free to give me a nudge on my talk page. Thefourdotelipsis 00:01, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * I tweaked with the images a bit; hope you don't mind. -- 1358  (Talk) 18:54, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not at all. I'm terrible with images. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 21:30, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

Trial of Tycho Celchu

 * Nominated by:--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 23:29, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments:I wish to know if this is good enough for you as it is for us in Finnish Jedipedia.

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Support
 * 1) It looks good form my eyes. Hyvää (t)yötä : ) Kreivi Wolter 09:14, March 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Thefourdotelipsis 11:36, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Looks good enough for me. --DARTH SIDIOUS 2 (Contact) 13:52, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) The Grand Master's first look
 * 2) * At first glance, there is a substantial amount of underlinking.
 * 3) **Any better now? I'm not too sure what you mean by underlinking. Care to advice?
 * 4) ***"Underlinking" means that you do not have everything linked; an article should be linked once on its first mention in the intro and once on its first mention in the body. Anyway, this is much better, although there are still some missing, extra, and incorrectly placed links. Jonjedigrandmaster  Jedi symbol.svg ( We seed the stars ) 17:40, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) ****Happy now? I have hard time finding more things to link but if there is still something, let me know.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:32, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) * I am also seeing several grammar problems.
 * 7) **Any better now?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 20:30, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) * Jonjedigrandmaster Jedi symbol.svg ( We seed the stars ) 20:56, March 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) Cylka's first look:
 * 10) * I think that the infobox should be expanded. The infobox is there to give readers the basic facts about the event without the need to read the article. In the conflict section you can state the purpose of the trial- Celchu on trial for treason and Horn's murder. You could also fill in the the important participants. The key section is for the involved affiliations.
 * 11) **Added something to each section. I don't know if I should add the Empire to affiliations part since they were manufacturing some of the evidence, but were not directly connected to the case.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 16:12, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 12) * A little context is needed as to why someone had to fly to Coruscant and scout the planet.
 * 13) **I don't know if that is ever stated why Celchu was sent there. There is nothing of why in X-wing-series or The New Essential Chronology, they say he volunteered for the mission, but there is no info about why the mission was needed.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 15:44, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 14) * where he spent three months before he finally escaped and returned to the Rebels - Who are these Rebels? This word was linked to the Alliance to Restore the Republic, but at this point in time, it didn't exist any longer in that form.
 * 15) **I accuse Celchu for that since he is speaking about "Alliance" in Wedge's Gamble when recounting the events. Fixed.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 16:12, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 16) * Celchu was considered to be too untrustworthy to participate in planning or preparation. - Who considered him untrustworthy?
 * 17) **That sentence was written in passive to awoid stating presisely who thought Celchu to be untrusthworthy. It is already stated that at least Ackbar and Salm were not ready to trust him entirely. In Wedge's Gamble Corran Horn thinks that "they" (who ever "they" are) did not trust Celchu enough to allow him to participate. I fixed it but...--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 17:04, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 18) * In the intro you state that Emtrey was the squadron's protocol droid, but not in the article body.
 * 19) **Fixed.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 17:59, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 20) * During his time on Coruscant Celchu met with Duros weapons dealer Lai Nootka in The Headquarters cantina. Corran Horn happened to see one meeting but thought that the tall, cloaked stranger was Imperial Intelligence agent Kirtan Loor. Horn told Antilles what he had seen, but the commander answered that it was impossible, since the report said that Celchu was among the casualties from Warlord Zsinj's attack on Noquivzor. In truth, Antilles was aware that Celchu was alive and on Coruscant, but he didn't believe Celchu had met Loor. - This doesn't quite make sense. The first sentence states that Horn thought the cloaked person was Loor and the next sentence talks about Celchu being reported as dead. The third sentence is written as if Horn had told Antilles that Celchu had been the cloaked stranger. Please clear this up.
 * 21) **I think it makes better sense now. Try it.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 18:11, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 22) * After Horn found out that Celchu was alive, he filed a report concerning the meeting he had witnessed in the cantina. He also mentioned that he had not seen the stranger's face, but based on its height and gait, he had positively identified it as Loor. - What did this have to do with Horn finding out that Celchu was alive?
 * 23) **Nothing but it had everything to do with that report Horn filed. Fixed.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 16:12, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 24) * Both attorneys later used this calm reaction to prove their point in the court. - This sentence doesn't really belong here since you are introducing the trial at this point, but it isn't the appropriate time for the trial. Please move this to the trial section.
 * 25) **Try it now when it is moved to the paragraph about Pash Cracken's testimony.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 17:46, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 26) * After the battle to take down the shield - Is there an article for this battle? If not, then a redlink, stub, etc should be created for it.
 * 27) **There already is a link to the First Battle of Coruscant, they took the shield down as a part of that wider battle.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 17:13, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 28) * All this made Celchu look highly suspicious to the New Republic, and only four days later, he was captured and charged with high treason and murder. - I'm not exactly sure what made Celchu look guilty. It may be because the information in the previous two paragraphs concerning Loor, Horn's report, and Celchu being alive/dead is unclear. Please look over this again.
 * 29) **"All this" was supposed to mean practically everything under the title: "Background". Changed to be more accurate.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 17:59, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 30) * When General Airen Cracken revealed that he had known all along that Celchu was innocent, - How could he have known this?
 * 31) **After reorganizing the paragraphs it now says earlier that Cracken knew it from Emtrey. Or does it still need work?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 17:46, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 32) * During his time among Imperials, Madine had also likely met Ysanne Isard - Does this have any bearing on the case? If not, then it doesn't need to be included.
 * 33) **Not really, but Madine in the whole doesn't have any substantial role in the whole thing. Everything about Madine is related to Ven's opinions of him and that is relevant to what Ven thinks of Madine in relation to the case.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 17:23, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 34) * In my opinion, I think that the trial section would read better if you placed the Defense first, Prosecution second and Judges third. This way, Ven's thoughts about the judges will make sense. Otherwise, the reader is not sure who Ven is.
 * 35) **Better now?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 15:30, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 36) * Alright, in the Tribunal section the thoughts of the various individuals involved are misplaced and shouldn't be there. You are stating their thoughts about events that you you haven't yet introduced to the reader, for example "When Ettyk heard that Kirtan Loor was willing to testify in Celchu's behalf, she was ready to admit that Celchu was innocent, and after Horn gave his testimony, she was quick to remove all charges against Celchu." This is all very confusing. These thoughts should be placed in the relevant section, not when a character is first introduced. I would suggest paring down the tribunal section to a straightforward introduction of the individuals involved. However, I would leave in any thoughts that they had about the judges since that is pertinent to this section.
 * 37) **Did that change of order help any?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 15:30, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 38) * Wessiri was not present when Celchu was found innocent, since she had been escorting Kirtan Loor to testify when her husband Diric had attacked her, Ven, and Loor under Isard's brainwashing. After Ven was injured and Loor shot to death Wessiri shot back and wounded the attacker mortally, only afterward realizing that it was her husband. This shock prevented her from coming to the final hearing. - This is another example of what I had just pointed out. You are speaking of events that have not yet happened, and this is confusing.
 * 39) **See if the change of order helped this?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 17:23, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 40) *I'm going to stop my review here in order to give you time to make sure that statements and comments are placed in the appropriate sections. The best way to do this is to ask yourself if a particular statement is relevant to what you are currently writing about. If not, then it needs to be moved. This will probably mean that things will get shuffled around. I must say that you did a great job in fixing up the grammar and wording issues from long ago. I am finding very little fault with the sentences themselves, just their placement. Please take care of these objections and I'll continue my review. Cylka  -talk- 14:48, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 41) Use proper ref tags in the infobox. --  1358  (Talk) 15:39, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 42) *Done. (I think...)--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 16:01, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 43) **I would have done it myself, but you edit conflicted me. :P -- 1358  (Talk) 16:05, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 44) Cylka's second look:
 * 45) *Good job with the infoxbox. Furthermore, I think that it would be a good idea to subdivide the participants into Defense, Prosecution, Judges, and Witnesses. If some individuals fit into more than one category, place in the one one that was more primary. For example, Iella Wessiri would fit better in the prosecution. I also think that you could add in Rogue Squadron under the Affiliations, since it heavily involved them.
 * 46) **Done.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 07:48, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 47) *after a failed attempt to sabotage Coruscant's planetary shields - I believe that "failed attempt" would be a good place to link to that Battle of Coruscant. I would have done so myself, but I'm not entirely familiar with that era and I didn't want to link to the wrong battle.
 * 48) **That would more likely need its own article since that first attempt to bring down the shield isn't even mentioned in the article of the First Battle of Coruscant (Galactic Civil War). I just don't know what to call it.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 07:48, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 49) ***Problem solved with two stubs. I'm rather surprised that I couldn't find an article about Celchu's first trip to Coruscant when he got captured.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 18:31, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * 50) *When introducing characters and ships, etc for the first time, it is a good idea to give them a bit of context. For example: I would write Executor-class Star Dreadnought Lusankya, a private prison. Further, I would add that Ackbar was Supreme Commander and who exactly Salm was when they are introduced. The reader then understands why these individuals had authority. Please go through and make sure that this is done throughout the article with all of the characters.
 * 51) **I would prefer not to introduce Lusankya as a ship in the Background part since no one but Isard knew it was a super star destroyer and that it was hidden in Coruscant.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:02, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 52) *Most accusations of treason were traced back to his time in the Lusankya prison and the possibility of brainwashing. - This sentence doesn't read very well. Please rewrite it. Also, in the next sentence I replaced "aggravating" with "incriminating," if that is alright. I believe that word works better.
 * 53) **Is it better now?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:02, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 54) *In the Interrogating the witnesses section please use the first names of the Crackens since both Pash and Airen are mentioned. It is confusing to the reader otherwise. Also, this goes along with my earlier objection in that add in who Pash and Airen were.
 * 55) **Done. But I'm still not sure if it was necessary, since I call Airen "General Cracken" to separate him from (Pash) "Cracken".--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:02, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 56) *Cracken tried to give his testimony in a way that was favourable to Celchu but Ettyk was allowed to interrogate him as a hostile witness making it difficult. - What was made difficult?
 * 57) **Reading that sentence, possibly since even I'm not sure what I'm saying. It should be better now.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:02, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 58) *Since Ettyk was not able to bring out the things Horn had told to Dlarit, Ven was able to point out that Horn had spoken with others before his meeting with Dlarit. That rendered Dlarit almost useless as a witness - I'm not sure how Horn speaking with others before Dlarit made her useless as a witness. Please clarify this.
 * 59) **Fixed, and Dlarit is no longer completely "useless".--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:02, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 60) *forced Admiral Ackbar postpone the trial even further. While Ven was away, Whistler and Emtrey stayed on Coruscant to collect and process evidence that they would use in court. - This is another example of what I had mentioned before. the reader needs to know why Ackbar could postpone the trial (he was the chairman) and why were Emtry and Whistler involved with the evidence.
 * 61) **Great... Now you complain about the reader not knowing the characters mentioned after you made me move that introduction part to the bottom of the whole thing... Don't worry, I'll fix it but I had to point this out.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 21:12, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 62) ***It is unfortunate that more work has been created for you, however, I am only trying to ensure that the article is appealing and understandable to our readers. Cylka  -talk- 23:30, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 63) ****I was trying to be sarcastic but I was rather tired when I wrote that comment. But now I have given more context for most of the people. Was that enough?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:02, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 64) *****I believe she was aware that you were being sarcastic and merely chose to ignore it, taking the high road instead.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:41, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 65) *Isard decided to send her brainwashed puppet, Diric Wessiri, to stop Derricote - This is fine, but the next sentence talks about Diric shooting at Ven, Loor, and Iela without any mention of Derricote. Please connect these two sentences a bit more.
 * 66) **Better now? I usually try not to overuse the dash but it does have its uses sometimes...--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 08:46, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 67) *Horn's return and his simultaneous testimony with Antilles about the identity of the true traitor - What simultaneous testimony? How did Wedge know who the traitor was?
 * 68) **Is it any clearer now?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:02, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 69) *I'm not sure that the third paragraph of the Defense section is needed. It doesn't have much bearing on the trial itself, which the main focus of the article. Most of the sentiments of the people involved have already been stated earlier, and introducing Winter complicates things a bit.
 * 70) **Removed but I reformed some bits of it to be the new first paragraph of the section. And Winter got completely removed.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:02, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 71) *Wessiri was not present when Celchu was found innocent, since she had been escorting Kirtan Loor to testify when her husband Diric had attacked her, Ven, and Loor under Isard's brainwashing. After Ven was injured and Loor shot to death Wessiri shot back and wounded the attacker mortally, only afterward realizing that it was her husband. This shock prevented her from coming to the final hearing. - This is essentially repeating what was already stated earlier. I would pare this down to only say that Wessiri was in schock from woundeing her husband and therefore, wasn't present.
 * 72) **Better now?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:02, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 73) *Context is needed for Fliry Vorru.
 * 74) **Is that enough?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:02, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 75) ***I added yet little more context.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:38, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 76) *While the New Republic labeled Corran Horn as a hero of the conquering of Corucant, - This statement is fine, but the reader is not sure of what has happened. The beginning of the article talks about Celchu needing to scout out Coruscant and now it has been conquered. In order to solve this I think that at the beginning of the article you should fit in that Coruscant is under Imperial control, and then fit in somewhere that by the time of the trial, Coruscant is liberated. I know that you mention the first battle of Coruscant, but many readers will not know the specifics of that battle.
 * 77) **Any better now?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:02, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 78) *Please go through the article to make sure that everything is linked correctly since the article sections have been shuffled around.
 * 79) **Should be done now.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:02, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 80) *You have done a good job with rearranging the article sections and I feel that it reads much better now. Please take care of these of these objections and I'll look at it again. Cylka  <span style="font-family: times, cursive; font-size: 13px"><font color=#00A693>-talk- 21:00, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 81) **Thanks. Happy to work with you.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:02, April 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 82) Question: Can you use a picture of a younger Corran? Him bearded and in Jedi robes is a bit out-of-place. Menkooroo 05:07, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 83) *How so? He was wearing green jedi robes (taken from Galactic Museum during his escape) and hadn't shaved for a while when he arrived to the court room.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 17:52, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 84) **I have to correct myself: Horn was wearing "pale" jedi robe, not green. But jedi robe none the less. Do you still want me to change it?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 18:54, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 85) ***What I meant was that that's a picture of Horn from twenty years later. Could you go with a picture of him from roughly the time period of the trial? Menkooroo 01:32, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 86) ****I' aware of that, but honestly, take a look at the pictures that don't pic him as a jedi: these are too small (and I would prefer colours) and this doesn't really look like Corran to me and it is too small as well. And there really is no pictures of him from that time. Other choise would be to go to his CorSec pictures but they would be even more out of place. You tell me if any of these would fit better and I will change it.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 07:26, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 87) *****Sorry to keep pushing this. It's not a big deal or a major objection or anything. I just feel like an image of a character twenty years later doesn't belong in an article when there are images of him available from much closer to the time period that the article details. If the trial had a direct impact on Horn's Jedi training, then the image might fit in some sort of "aftermath" or "legacy" section, saying "The Trial allowed Horn to become a great Jedi Knight", but as it stands, I feel like it would be like putting the main image from the Darth Caedus article in an article about the birth of the Solo twins.

From the list that you provided me, a cropped version of this image might fit (cropped to remove the guns, maybe?). I'm not sure if it's Corran with his arms crossed in this image, but if it is, a cropped version of it would be great. I know that you want a color image, but given the circumstances, there's nothing wrong with black and white, ya know? This one may be small, but as it's Corran in his X-wing garb, it fits the bill perfectly. Ditto this one. You might have to be creative here.

Throughout the article, images are used well in general, though. There's a big chunk of imageless space in the "Interrogating the witnesses" section, however, followed by a bunch of images in close succession. Can you maybe stick an image there, or else space the rest of the images out more? An image of one of the judges might fit. Horton Salm or Crix Madine. Menkooroo 01:25, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) ******I have actually been searching a picture of Wedge to put to that "interrogating witnesses" part, since he was one of the key witnesses. I don't like that big imageless gap either. Other choise is to move Ackbar's picture up there and put Salm down to its place (since Salm and Madine had not that much to do in that part of the trial, beside just being present in the courtroom).--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 07:24, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) *******Well, you're in luck, because images of Wedge is something this wiki has no shortage of. Here's a cool one of Wedge and Ackbar from roughly that time period. Here he is looking epic; here's a great live-action shot; This one is cool 'cause he's like "Hey... trust me"; here he is from a picture that you've already used Tycho and Corran from --- and there are 100 more where that came from. Menkooroo 07:33, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) ********I think I like the one with Wedge and Ackbar together but I need to crop Ackbar out since I can't think of a text that would fit ("Chairman of the court and one of the key witnesses" sounds rather far fetched to me, even when they were working together during the trial).--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 07:47, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) *********Got that pic of Wedge up and added Salm to where Ackbar used to be moving our Mon Calamarean friend higher up. How does it look?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 13:30, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) *****Returning to the original topic of Corran's pic. Actually his adventure in the Galactic Museum had a lot to do with him becoming a Jedi later, since he discovered several heirlooms from his biological grandfather there. If I could word it something like this: "During his escape in addition to the files that acquitted Celchu Horn also discovered the connection he had to the Jedi", could I leave the picture there?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 08:47, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) *A nice compromise. :^) Menkooroo 00:07, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) **Thanks. Sorry to have gone to so much trouble about it. I should have though of that from the beginning...--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 11:31, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) ***I actually agree with Menkooroo's original objection here about the anachronistic image. What about this image? It is from about the right period, I've cropped it to be square, and Corran is facing the right way for where the image will go in the article. --Eyrezer 11:41, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) Thingos
 * 10) * Is this a conjectural title, or is explicitly called "Trial of Tycho Celchu" in the sources? If it isn't, then any capitalized instances of "Trial" should be decapitalized.
 * 11) **Dealed with. See below.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:26, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 12) * I think that the infobox should probably be left without an image at all, since there is no image of the trial itself and that image in particular is of Celchu several years prior.
 * 13) **Moved the picture to another section where it should fit better.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 09:38, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 14) * Although I'm usually loathe to ask for an over abundance of gratuitous context, the opening paragraph of "Infiltration of Coruscant..." could use some, namely on the Galactic Civil War and those involved.
 * 15) **That good enough?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 11:28, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 16) * I'm also a bit curious about the use of an image from thirty-odd years later for Horn... I realize this has been discussed before, but it wouldn't really be entertained if it were Luke Skywalker or something. There are images of Horn in the NEGTC that might suffice... if you don't like him in action, you could make a crop or something. Nitpicky, I know, but I think it's important that we retain some sort of limitation with the images. If you really feel that it's important that that particular image is used though, I shall relent. So don't think of this as a typical, hard objection. More a query/suggestion, I guess. :P
 * 17) * I've also tweaked the sectioning a bit. If you don't like it, feel free to revert it - more of a suggestion, really.
 * 18) **Needed some additional work but mostly it was OK.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 09:38, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 19) * I've also made a few phrasing changes/improvements. Hope they meet with your approval. Thefourdotelipsis 09:07, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 20) **You used some words I've never heard before and don't know what they mean but I guess they mean what they are supposed to.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 09:38, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 21) ***Some of your choises of words are really difficult. I speak English relatively fluently but need a dictionary to understand some of your changes.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 09:52, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 22) ****It's at a vocabulary level consistent with a lot of other articles. Let us know which words are particularly contentious, though.
 * 23) *****"Clandestinely"??? (never heard the word before and needed a dictionary to find out what it means)--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 11:28, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 24) * I'm going back and giving the prose a bit of a polish, and another thought occurs: You should probably find another adjective for Celchu, to avoid repetition of "Celchu." You use "the captain" once, and that's good, but "the Alderaanian" might be more specific, and would help the flow. This could also be applied to some of the other characters whose surnames appear frequently... using "the Corellian," or a rank would be good, but just make sure you establish who is Alderaanian and Corellian, or what rank a given person holds before doing this. I'll let you know when I've finished my second polish. Thefourdotelipsis 09:44, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 25) **I'll see what I can do with that. There is more than one Corellian around so that might not work, but Alderaanian might do, but there is two of them as well. I'll take a look at that later today together with that context thing you asked above.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 09:52, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 26) ***Better now?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 11:28, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 27) * OK, something else: You should probably tell us how the Lusankya blasting out of Coruscant turned out, because at the moment it's left as a bit of a cliffhanger. Just a sentence or two will do. I've completed a sort of polish of the Trial section... if you want to look at some of the changes made there I'd recommend that you maybe take another look at the Tribunal and Publicity sections and perhaps brush up some of the phrasing, if you so choose. Thefourdotelipsis 11:12, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 28) **Is that good enough for that Lusankya bit? I personally find it rather irrelevant to the trial but what ever to make the article pass. (Well, almost, since I'm still reluctant to give up that pic of Corran...)--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 22:07, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 29) ***That's excellent, thanks. It's good to put things in there, as long as you don't stray too far from the topic, just to give the article some flow. It was reading as "They saw a bloody huge Star Destroyer bursting out of the city! ...anyway, the trial was over, and such and such..." You see how that can be a little disruptive? ;) Anyway, it's not a big problem, a lot of people will make that kind of mistake, but it's just good to tie up any loose ends as briefly as possible, just so the reader doesn't get lost in the mix. Thefourdotelipsis 00:06, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 30) ****When you put it that way, I do see that it doesn't work. And it might take for little longer than I though to sort out the context for Tycho's mission to Coruscant related to the Galactic Civil War, since my friend needs to scan the relevant page from The New Essential Chronology for me.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 11:01, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 31) Is this name canon? I'm getting the sense that it's not. If that's the case, then it needs a conjecture tag.  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  12:25, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 32) *You're probably right. Need to check that out.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 14:17, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 33) **The name is canon, but it's not spelled with capital "T" in any of the sources I have at hand at the moment. So I changed it to be spelled with lower case "t" but didn't add the conjecture tag.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:26, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 34) ***If sources call it the "trial of Tycho Celchu," then there's no need for a conjecture template. Just change "Trial" to "trial" and you're good to go.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 20:30, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 35) ****The name is actually rather confusing. It is called "the trial of Tycho Celchu" several times in The Krytos Trap, but there is a lot of more complicate expressions used as well. But most of the time they just call it "the trial"...--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 22:07, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * Why everyone is ignoring my nom?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 22:43, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Have patience. Sometimes it can take few months before people even bother to read the article. Trust me, the users will find this eventually : ) Kreivi Wolter 14:08, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * While we have yet to develop a standard format for articles of this type, I'd suggest looking at this article to get an idea of a legal trial article's layout. I am completely unfamiliar with the source material for the Celchu Trial, but I trust that you can incorporate some of what you find in my example to help your article along its FAN path. —Tommy 9281 01:04, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. There isn't that much differences between the two that I could notice. The other one is more detailed than mine, but it has less material to cover, so it can afford it without the article becoming too long. My material is mainly from the novel X-wing: The Krytos Trap combined with the two previous novels X-wing: Rogue Squadron and X-wing: Wedge's Gamble, so the article needs to cover a lot of ground. Outside those three (plus X-wing: The Bacta War) there is only a little information about this case in any of the source books. What I did notice being different is the name of the article; all other trial articles are named "trial of someone" or "someone vs./versus someone". But that is not my fault since I didn't create the article about this trial, only rewrote it completely.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 09:06, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * How would you feel about us moving the article to Trial of Tycho Celchu? --Eyrezer 23:59, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds much better to me, to be honest. I never liked the current name. Shall I do it myself of do you move it? The name on top of this nomination needs to be changed as well, I take it?--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 21:26, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks guys! Much appreciated!--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 21:34, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Quickie: Please link to everything upon first mention (I am refering to the infobox) -- 1358  (Talk) 12:37, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Done.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 14:17, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ugh, this should've been in the objections section, but "objection" stricked anyway. :P -- 1358  (Talk) 15:21, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Jedi Tower

 * Nominated by:  Nayayen &mdash; TALK  09:28, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: I make a return to the FAN after too long with this, the Jedi academy of Taris. It actually turned out to be quite an interesting article to write and hopefully it will be the same to read.

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Support
 * 1) Great work, Nayayen.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 13:28, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) We got there! Good stuff. Thefourdotelipsis 14:45, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) A few for you&hellip;
 * 2) * Intro: I would like to see the Neo-Crusaders mentioned in the intro.
 * 3) **Added, I've also mentioned them in main body.
 * 4) * Intro: Gadon Thek and context on him should be mentioned in the intro, where it says that Gryph arrived to evacuate Carrick and Jelavan.
 * 5) **Added, I haven't mentioned the Hidden Beks though, it doesn't seem necessary.
 * 6) * Early teaching: Now that John Jackson Miller has established for sure that Squinquargesimus was not a part of Malak's name, I feel you should take the surname out.
 * 7) **Removed.
 * 8) * Early teaching: For Revan, you might want to mention that he was Alek's "honorary" Master, since that is what the handbook says. Also, please capatalize "Master".
 * 9) **Done, I've checked all other instances of Master for capitalization.
 * 10) * In Mandalorian hands: I think you should mention that Griff Vao was Mission's older brother.
 * 11) **Done, I had to tweak those two sentences a bit so that it flows well.
 * 12) *Great job, Nayayen. When this passes, will this article be the first on building to pass the FAs?--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 00:43, March 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 13) **Thanks for the review Kasra. I can count at least 6 building FAs, one of which is a Jedi academy so this isn't even the first one of those FAd.  Nayayen &mdash; TALK  10:42, March 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 14) ***Cool.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 04:32, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 15) And one more thing&hellip;
 * 16) * You might want to source Alek's name to #10 or the Handbook, because in #0 he merely introduced himself as "Squint". I would think you only need to source the name to this on this one mention.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 04:32, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 17) **Got it.  Nayayen &mdash; TALK  08:45, March 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 18) Attack of the Clone
 * 19) * "The atmosphere control complex was set away from the nearby residential buildings and other structures which meant that, to access the Tower, a skybridge was built." It's rather unclear what you're trying to say here. Do you mean that the control complex's isolation from the nearby buildings required a skybridge to be built to access it? If so, you might consider using that wording instead.
 * 20) **Fixed
 * 21) ***Please watch your semi-colon usage. While I've fixed this issue for you, semi-colons are only used to join two standalone clauses together.  CC7567  (talk) 09:32, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 22) * "It was in this chamber that the Council executed their Padawans on the grounds that they were protecting the galaxy from the Sith." This historical reference is much more relevant to the History section than the Description section. Please try to keep the two isolated and distinct from each other.
 * 23) **Removed
 * 24) ***I meant the entire reference, basically. I can see how it may be notable to say that the room was where the Padawan Massacre took place, but overall, the Description section should be primarily reserved for stuff relating to the actual structure of the building&mdash;anything else that takes place in it is what the History is used to list.  CC7567  (talk) 09:32, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 25) ****Removed. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 15:44, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * 26) * "Zayne Carrick, the only Padawan to survive, fled this room by diving down the turbolift tower and escaping through the storage room to the landing area." Same issue as above.
 * 27) **I assumed you meant the "only Padawan to survive" bit, the other part highlights a route from the room to the landing area.
 * 28) ***First of all, no, that is context necessary to the article and shouldn't be removed, but let me clarify this part. Can you simply say that the tower had a turbolift? That seems to be the only part of the sentence that is specifically relevant to the structure of the tower, not its history.  CC7567  (talk) 09:32, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 29) ****In that case, the sentence is redundant. Removed. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 15:44, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * 30) * The image placement in "The Padawan Massacre" section is a bit strained, as ideally there should only be an image every few paragraphs or so or one per section, whichever comes first.
 * 31) **Removed the second of the two.
 * 32) * Please fix that Fact tag in the article.
 * 33) **Fixed
 * 34) * In the second paragraph of the "Padawan Massacre" section, please try to maintain a neutral perspective of the massacre rather than simply following Jelavan's POV. It's more proper to simply write it chronologically rather than as if it were through Jelavan's eyes.
 * 35) **I can't see any way to make it more neutral than it is now.
 * 36) ***Can you simply say that the Masters planned to execute their Padawans in the Tower based on their vision and continue from there? That's how all non-character articles should essentially be written.  CC7567  (talk) 09:32, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 37) ****I've reworded it as much as possible. It is vital to note that Jelavan noticed Draay's lightsaber and spoke out because that is why the Masters had to strike prematurely and hence enabled Carrick to escape. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 15:44, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * 38) *I will continue with "In Mandalorian hands" once these are fixed. Overall, I'd like you to be a bit stricter on what is relevant to the Jedi Tower itself and what is not. While yes, context is necessary to understand the storyline, extraneous context is not&mdash;this article should be primarily about the tower and not anything else. Much of the Padawan Massacre section itself is affected by this problem. Please go through the article to make sure that every detail is directly relevant to the Jedi Tower and those that are not are absolutely necessary as context.  CC7567  (talk) 22:55, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 39) **Thanks for you review CC. I'll go through and see if anything can be trimmed out, probably with the second opinion of someone else as familiar with the comics. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 08:58, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 40) * I see virtually no mention at all of the Jedi Tower anywhere in the second and third paragraphs of "In Mandalorian hands" except in the latter paragraph, and that still doesn't show much. This should be a major indicator to irrelevant context. Please verify the necessity of all this extraneous information. As such, the next two objections depend on whether the parts including them are kept or not.
 * 41) **I've tried to compress the two issues' worth of context into a single paragraph so it still isn't mentioned much but this should be okay now. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 14:20, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 42) * "Fortunately for the Jedi": POV. It isn't up to us to decide what is "fortunate" for a group and what is not.
 * 43) **Neutralized. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 16:37, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 44) * Context on Del Moomo.
 * 45) **Added it on his first mention and moved the link to there as well. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 16:37, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 46) * Please try to clean up the crowded image placement in "The Resistance strikes back."
 * 47) **One of the images has been removed. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 14:20, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 48) * Is it possible for the context in the first paragraph of the same section to be shortened at all? I understand that context on the Tower operation is necessary, but if the Tower isn't actually used in the section, the amount of detail is questionable.
 * 49) **Trimmed as much as possible. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 14:20, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 50) ***At a glance, the context seems fine to me, but at this point my Wookieepedia activity is temporarily dropping. Since this part of my review is mostly done, I'm going to let the others finish their reviews first before I go back and go through the article once more with you; this way, my objections won't hold up the nomination. You can expect another look from me once the others have finished, just so you know that I'm not abandoning this.  CC7567  (talk) 05:54, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 51) ****Thanks for the heads up CC. I look forwards to your next review. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 15:09, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 52) * "that the Resistance had already managed to plant in the Tower's foundations in an earlier raid": link to the raid?
 * 53) **Stubtastic-length article created and linked. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 16:37, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 54) * "These charges could not be used then as they did not have the remote detonator needed for a controlled explosion." When? The chronology isn't clear here because of the verb tense. Please clarify.
 * 55) **Clarified. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 16:37, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 56) * "Insisting that Carrick was still dangerous": how so?
 * 57) **Reworded. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 16:37, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 58) * "from the dark side in Carrick": can this be worded better at all? If not, please clarify how the "dark side" being in Carrick is different from basically every Jedi's temptation with it in some form or another.
 * 59) **Reworded. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 16:37, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 60) * "which the patrol passed off as Carrick "recruiting"": please reword this awkward phrase somehow.
 * 61) **OS's Mandalorian euphemism, reworded. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 16:37, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 62) * I may be missing something here, but it really isn't clear how Carrick was able to avoid arising Gormer's and the Mandalorian patrol's suspicions. Please clarify.
 * 63) **Both should be clear now. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 16:37, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 64) *I again recommend that you try and go through the article to make sure that all the context in the article is absolutely necessary. While yes, context is needed to understand the storyline, this article is still about the Jedi Tower and nothing else. I will be going through the article one more time with you after all of these are fixed to make sure that everything is in good shape.  CC7567  (talk) 19:11, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 65) **I've asked Cylka for her advice on the superfluous context. This objection and the first, fourth and fifth of your second batch of objections will be addressed when this is done. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 16:37, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 66) ***I haven't forgotten you objections CC. See my reply to 4dot's 09:02 timestamp. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 16:42, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 67) ****The whole article has been trimmed. Sorry for the long wait. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 14:20, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 68) Ah-ha!
 * 69) * Does "Masters" need to be capitalized? I'd think it wouldn't, but I was just wondering if you had some sort of reasoning for this.
 * 70) **Never mind. Big mistakey. Thefourdotelipsis 09:02, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 71) * The second paragraph of the intro should be tweaked, so that the Mandalorian invasion and Fett's occupation of the tower comes before Carrick's return.
 * 72) **Fixed. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 16:42, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 73) *More to come later, I'm afraid I've run out of time a bit. ;) Thefourdotelipsis 01:44, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 74) * I've looked a bit further into the issue of Alek's name, and although he was born under "Alek," and that was his true name, in the in-universe officialdom, he was listed and recognized as "Alek Squinquargesimus." I think that the article should reflect his full name, and use his surname accordingly. I don't mean this to conflict with any of the earlier objections, but the fact of the matter is that we should probably go with that the "official records" were. If anyone else wants to interject here and point out why we shouldn't be going with what was a character's official classification at a given time... feel free.
 * 75) **Removed below. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 16:42, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 76) * Actually, the detail about Alek saving Carrick and all that isn't relevant to the Tower's history. You should just give a brief overview saying that the students operating from the tower were crime-fighters or whatever, and cite a few brief examples.
 * 77) **Removed.<font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 16:42, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 78) * Far too detailed in your description of the Padawan Massacre. You shouldn't be giving detailed summaries of small events that happened to take place at the Jedi Tower without directly affecting the structure itself. This is true of much of the History section... you really need to cull through it and make sure that the information is about the tower, not about the things that might have happened in or around it. Let us know when you've done that and I'll take another shufti. Thefourdotelipsis 09:02, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 79) **It should be an appropriate level of detail now. I haven't had time to go past the third paragraph of "In Mandalorian hands" though. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 16:42, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 80) ***This is still a bit too much, on a cursory glance. "In the Council chambers above, Shad Jelavan was unusually late to the ceremony. After stowing his lightsaber in one of the racks, the Padawan noticed that all of the Masters had their lightsabers. This indicated that Carrick would also be Knighted and led to Jelavan and the Padawans asking why the Masters were planning to Knight Carrick, especially as he consistently failed assignments." - That kind of stuff is just way too specific. It should be more along the lines of "In such and such BBY, the covenant experienced a vision in which one of their Padawans would go gaga, and so they killed them during what was meant to be a knighting ceremony. Carrick, however, had been late, and witnessed the aftermath of the killings, before fleeing the Tower. The Covenant gave chase, and he was eventually brought back by Ying, and then one of his new companions, Jarael, burst in blah blah blah." That kind of level is what I'm looking for. Thefourdotelipsis 00:43, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 81) ****I've cut it down some more although I don't think that the intro-level summary you were suggesting would be beneficial. There are no more "detailed summaries of small events that happened to take place at the Jedi Tower", just summaries of important events in and affecting the Tower, with any unique details, as well as the context needed for those summaries/detail. I do realise that the final section seems to be more detailed but that's because there are a lot of small details that need mentioning. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 14:20, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 82) *****The earlier sections are markedly improved, good job. However, the later sections are still far too detailed. We don't need to go into the specifics of how the resistance is formed and who does what when they're not even near the tower. This needs to be made as concise as possible, and it's going to mean cutting a lot of the fat in these later sections. Thefourdotelipsis 14:37, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 83) ******Okay, I've cut the later sections to the level of the earlier ones, using them as a benchmark. They should all be good now. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 15:09, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 84) *******We're getting there, but we still need to lose a lot of flab. I realize it's difficult, as you've obviously put a lot of effort into this, but the thing is the LOD that we've got here is more suited to a character article, where the specifics of their actions had direct impact and reflect who they are as characters. But what we're dealing with his the overall history of a structure. The strokes have to be much, much broader. Essentially, what you've got in six paragraphs needs to be handled in... three, at most. First off, you don't need to cover every single movement of what goes on inside the tower. You don't need to explain every single twist in the confrontation between Jelevan, Tey, and Carrick. Also, you need to maintain an objective point of view with this, so you have to mention that the Mandalorians left the tower before the Resistance gets there. That sort of thing. I'm more than willing to make the cuts myself, and then you can take a look at it and work from there, but I understand fully if you don't want that. But do let me know if you want some help with this, as I realize it's going to be perhaps a tad painful. Thefourdotelipsis 23:46, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 85) "Since 3,969 BBY, there were five students at the Tower, one to each of the Masters." This doesn't read right. Just "since" and "well" don't fit well together. Does that make sense?  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:21, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 86) *Yes, after deciphering your typo :P. I've reworded that line, have a butcher's. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 15:09, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * I've changed the two quotes involving just two speakers from some form of to  per Tranner's comment below for Luuke.  Nayayen &mdash; TALK  22:36, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * The links to the comics have been updated with the new, colon-included article title format. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 14:20, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Gray Jedi

 * Nominated by: &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 02:11, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: My first nom. This one started as a GAN but needed major work. After a number of helpful objections and a few rewrites, the improved article is longer and I was advised that it would be better suited as a FAN. I requested that it be removed from GAN so I could add it here. I look forward to addressing your objections so that I can improve the article to FA status. Thanks. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 02:11, April 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have added the Voss Mystics to the article, as they were confirmed to be Gray in the recent Creating Worlds blog entry for the TOR video game. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 21:20, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

(2 Inqs/3 Users/5 Total)
Support
 * 1) It's good eatin'! Thefourdotelipsis 14:26, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Nice job.  JangFett  (Talk) 04:31, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Good job.-- 01:59, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4)  —Xwing328 (Talk) 03:28, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) I'm very impressed by your hard work, and I hope to see more noms from you in the future.  Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 03:08, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) The Grand Master
 * 2) * In the second sentence of the History section, you link to Jedi Enclave, but I'm not sure if that was your intention, based on the context of the sentence.
 * 3) **My only guess is that I thought "Enclave" was just another term for "Academy", like "praxeum". I simply removed the link. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 03:02, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) * I'm seeing several linking mistakes in the article, particularly underlinking, especially regarding events. Please make sure that you have everything linked once in the intro, and once in the body, and make sure you link directly to the correct page, and not to redirects. I've fixed a couple of these during my copy-edit to show some examples.
 * 5) **I'm not sure what the term "underlinking" refers to. That I'm not linking enough, especially to events? I will see if I can fix these and add more event-related links where appropriate. (might take me a day or so) &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 03:02, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) ***Yes, that is correct: "underlinking" means that there are missing links. And no problem, better to take some time and make sure you get it right than to rush through it and still miss some. :) Jonjedigrandmaster  Jedi symbol.svg ( We seed the stars ) 16:53, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) ****Okay, I did linking sweeps for 1) repeat links, 2) links to redirection pages, and 3) obvious missing links. I have yet to dig through events in order to find some more specific links for the article, but it's a start. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 17:30, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) ****Done with adding event-related articles. Main focus was in the History section. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 15:43, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) * "However, between the Great Sith War and the Dark Wars, the Jedi went from the height of their power to a mere remnant of their existence&hellip;" A couple things: first, could you provide actual BBY date(s) here, just for more solid clarification of the time? (Actually, it would be good to do so throughout other parts of the history section as well; you commonly refer to wars for keeping track of time, which is fine, but it would be better to include some ABY/BBY dates in there, too, even if they're "circa.") Second, how did they become a "mere remnant of their existence?" Do you mean their numbers dwindled, or that they lost control over the galaxy, or something else?
 * 10) **I assume dwindled but that text is very close to the source text. I wasn't sure, so I didn't assume. Source text: Between the Great Sith War and the Dark Wars, the Jedi go from the height of their power to a mere remnant of their existence. Unlike the Jedi of later years, the Jedi in a Knights of the Old Republic campaign are likely to be fractious and unwilling to bow to their own central authority&mdash;the Jedi Council. (KotORCG, p104) I added dates to the sentece, but I'm not sure I can clarify without making an assumption about what the author meant. Also, I added some dates throughout the history section. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 03:02, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11) **I just added a link to the First Jedi Purge in that sentence. I figure that there might be other types of "reductions" to the Jedi Order in that time, but the purge is the clearest example we have, and it did happen in the dark wars. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 14:16, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 12) * Please create a stub for Halcyon's battle with Tyris, if such a page does not yet exist.
 * 13) **Will do. Probably won't get to it tonight (need to check dates in the novel). Will post again when done. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 03:02, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 14) **Article added for the Tyris duel. I also added an article for the duel between Bindo and Nayama. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 17:30, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 15) * "Jensaarai participated in the Yuuzhan Vong War alongside the Jedi." Could you please provide me with a quote/page number that supports this sentence? After reading Edge of Victory II a couple weeks ago myself, I have a sneaking suspicion that this may refer to Kelbis Nu, whom I believe had become a Jedi by this point in time.
 * 16) **It was a reference to Kelbis Nu as far as I know. Clarified and added a date. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 03:02, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 17) *Sorry for not reviewing this sooner, I've been quite busy of late. The article is much improved; I'll continue with the Traits and techniques section once you work through these. Jonjedigrandmaster  Jedi symbol.svg ( We seed the stars ) 01:15, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 18) **No problem, I will post again when I'm done with the linking fixes. It will take me some time to comb through the events. Thanks again! &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 03:02, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 19) **Okay, so just to sum up, I think I've hit everything except for doing an in-depth exploration for events that should be linked to in the article. I will post again after doing so. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 17:30, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 20) **Last of the objections addressed. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 15:43, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 21) * One more for now: does Star Wars Legacy 33: Fight Another Day, Part 2 say that Fel became Head of State of the Empire in 41 ABY? If not, please source this bit to Invincible: "Some time after 41 ABY, when Jagged Fel was selected as the Head of State of the Galactic Empire&hellip;" Jonjedigrandmaster  Jedi symbol.svg ( We seed the stars ) 22:06, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 22) **Sourced to Invincible. Thanks for another copy-edit. I see that I went too far in the other direction adding event-related links. :) &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 22:15, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 23) ***Haha no problem, it can be hard to find the right balance of linking sometimes. When pipelinking things (linking like this: assassination attempt ), just try to link everything that directly relates to an event (such as in the above example). If the wording doesn't directly relate to it, then it isn't needed. Jonjedigrandmaster  Jedi symbol.svg ( We seed the stars ) 22:23, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 24) * Continuing with "Traits and Techniques": "In fact, Gray Jedi have opposed those who did embrace the dark side, such as when Bindo opposed the Sith during the Great Sith War and the Jedi Civil War." Incorrect tense usage here.
 * 25) **What about: In fact, Gray Jedi opposed those who embraced the dark side; Bindo fought against the Sith Empire during the Great Sith War and again during the Jedi Civil War. ? &mdash;fodigg BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 14:45, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 26) ***Yes, that's fine; the problem with the original phrase was the "have."
 * 27) * "Still, the Jedi claimed that Gray Jedi became tainted and carried the dark side's influence within them, even if they did not realize it." Do we know which Jedi in particular claimed this? This makes it sound like all Jedi that ever lived believed this. Perhaps it was the Jedi of Bindo's time, or maybe the New Jedi Order's Jedi? Or perhaps it was one Jedi in particular who said this? Are there any example that could be given here?
 * 28) **JATM source quote: According to the Jedi, these individuals become tainted and carry the dark side's influence within them, whether they realize it or not. Some people claim to have witnessed a slow metamorphosis of the persons' personalities over time as a result of tehir flirting with the dark side. So there is no specific example. However, I altered the text to Still, the Jedi Order taught that Gray Jedi carried the dark side's influence within them, even if they did not realize it. The above source text follows discussion of the Jensaarai, which tempts me to say "NJO", but it's speaking too generally. Simply saying "Jedi Order taught" I think makes it clear that this is an "official stance" and not necessarily a universally held opinion.  &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 14:45, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 29) ***Hmm, but we don't know that the Jedi Order as a whole taught that; saying "Jedi Order" in general leads the reader to believe all Jedi of all time did that, which I doubt is true. Also, I'm not sure that "taught" is a good word to use here, based on the source text. The source doesn't really say that the Jedi taught that to anybody; just that some Jedi thought that. Jonjedigrandmaster  Jedi symbol.svg ( We seed the stars ) 19:00, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 30) ****I suppose that's the answer then. New text: Still, some Jedi thought that Gray Jedi carried the dark side's influence within them, even if they did not realize it. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 19:25, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 31) * "Some early Gray Jedi wore custom, gray robes. The Gray Jedi Jolee Bindo once wore a unique version of these robes." Please move this phrase to elsewhere in the section, as it does not really follow its current context.
 * 32) **I moved it to the History section, just under the Jolee Bindo paragraph, altering the text to Some Old Republic Gray Jedi wore custom, gray robes. Bindo once wore a unique version of these robes. to make it fit the context better. Without a proper "Equipment" section, I think it's best suited in the History section, especially as it only appears in one era. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 14:45, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 33) * "All Gray Jedi displayed the use of both light and dark side Force abilities, and have shown skill with techniques common to Jedi and Sith&hellip;" Tense issue here.
 * 34) **Changed to: All Gray Jedi displayed the use of both light and dark side Force abilities, and demonstrated skill with techniques common to Jedi and Sith, such as the ability to construct and wield a lightsaber, as well as some unique Force talents. Is that sufficient? &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 14:45, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 35) ***Yep; the problem before was the "have shown."
 * 36) * "The Imperial Knights were said to be&hellip;" Said by whom?
 * 37) **I will have to look it up in the Legacy Era Campaign Guide. Will post again when I have done so. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 14:45, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 38) **Source text, LECG, p43: Despite opinions to the contrary, Imperial Knights are every bit as capable in the use of the Force as their Jedi counterparts, though their training has considerably more martial focus. Changed the text to be stated as a bald fact rather than an opinion: The Imperial Knights were as capable in the use of the Force as Jedi Knights, though their training concentrated more on martial prowess. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 01:42, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 39) * "Imperial Knights displayed various Force abilities, such as Levitation, Telekinesis&hellip;" Isn't levitation a form of telekinesis? (If you mean self-levitation, and not just the levitation of other objects, please specify)
 * 40) **Doh! That should have been obvious to me. Clarified to self-levitation. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 14:45, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 41) * "Other Gray Jedi have been known to wield powers such as Force thrust and Ionize." Tense issue here. Also, could we get a tiny bit of context for these powers, since their applications aren't as obvious or well known as things like telekinesis or mind tricks?
 * 42) **Tense clarified (tricky because these were powers listed in a "Gray Jedi" NPC stat-block, and not known Gray Jedi). Also added some context: Other Gray Jedi have wielded powers such as Force thrust, a telekinetic attack similar to Force push, and Ionize, an technique that deactivates and destroys machines. Note, I will have to double-check sourcing on this sentence, as the power descriptions for these might be in other source books. Will post again when sourcing is confirmed. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 14:45, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 43) ***Hmm, tense issue remains. The problem is with the use of "have," as it changes the text from past tense to present perfect tense. Jonjedigrandmaster  Jedi symbol.svg ( We seed the stars ) 19:00, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 44) ****Removed "have" so it just says some Gray Jedi wielded. It just reads strangely to me for some reason. I'll have to watch that in my writing. Did a quick search of the article and found that the rest of the "have"s were all in quotes and not article content. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 19:25, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 45) ****"Ionize" power is from the KotORCG (p51), so that source is good. "Force thrust" is from the core rulebook. The sentence as been rearranged to allow for accurate sourcing: Other Gray Jedi wielded powers such as Ionize, a technique that deactivates and destroys machines, and Force thrust,[6] a telekinetic attack similar to Force push.[23] &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 01:42, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 46) * "and encouraged his students—Rosh Penin and Jaden Korr—to think of Force powers as mere tools. Penin fell to the dark side but was later redeemed, although Korr remained faithful to the light. Korr was later plagued with doubt over Master Katarn's description of Force abilities as tools." I'm not entirely sure how relevant this is to the article's topic, seeing as how none of these beings were considered Gray Jedi. Is it not enough to just say, as you already do, that using both light and dark side powers doesn't instantly make you a Gray Jedi? Thoughts on this?
 * 47) **I think that it helps the definition to show Plo Koon and Katarn's similarities when pointing out why they're not Gray Jedi. Katarn not only used dark side powers, he encouraged his students to do the same. I feel that's relevant considering he was still not considered "Gray" and was on the High Council. The fates of his students however, is not. I have truncated the sentence to: Similarly, Kyle Katarn, a light side Jedi who later became a member of the New Jedi Order's High Council, freely used light and dark side abilities, and encouraged his students&mdash;Rosh Penin and Jaden Korr&mdash;to think of Force powers as mere tools. This provides a complete example of Katarn, the relevant person, without needlessly elaborating on his students. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 14:45, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 48) *Keep up the good work. :) Jonjedigrandmaster  Jedi symbol.svg ( We seed the stars ) 22:05, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 49) **Thanks once again! I'll get back to you once I can dig through my sourcebooks. Also, random thought, should I add another image to the History and Traits sections? Or would that be too much? &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 14:45, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 50) ***I think if you shift around the current images a bit, you could add one more to either the History or the Traits and techniques section without making them too cluttered. Jonjedigrandmaster  Jedi symbol.svg ( We seed the stars ) 19:00, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 51) ****I may try to add one to the History section, and I may end up putting the "Gray Jedi" section images on one side, as other organization articles do. But I would need to find a quality image first. I don't want to put something there just for the sake of putting it there. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 19:25, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 52) ****Remaining concerns points addressed. Looking forward to more! &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 01:42, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 53) *****Well done. I'm gonna be pretty busy this week, but I'll try to continue with the review in the next couple days. :) Jonjedigrandmaster  Jedi symbol.svg ( We seed the stars ) 01:52, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 54) * Continuing on with the next few sections: "While the term could be used to refer to Force users who walked the line between light and dark&hellip;" Why the speculation here? It could be used? Do we know whether or not it actually was used in that way?
 * 55) **Just poor phrasing. Fixed. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 22:43, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 56) * You jump from talking about the days of the Council consolidating power (which you have mentioned to be approximately 4,000 BBY or so in the history section) to mentioning Qui-Gon Jinn; please specify that Jinn is from a different time frame&mdash;the current wording implies he was one of the Jedi from that time.
 * 57) **Good point. I added: Thousands of years later, around 30 BBY, This highlights the time jump and puts a hard date from the quote's source without repeating "stark hyperspace war" or "44 BBY", which are already given in the history section. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 22:43, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 58) ***Quick question: is The Stark Hyperspace War a source for the rest of the paragraph, though? Does it say all of this, and does it specify that this all took place thousands of years before Jinn's time? "While the term was used to refer to Force users who walked the line between light and dark, Jedi were also labeled as Gray Jedi for distancing themselves from the Jedi High Council. This practice dated back to the days of the Old Republic, when the High Council was attempting to consolidate power. Jedi who frequently clashed with the will of the Council were sometimes thought of as Gray even if they did not entirely separate themselves from the Jedi Order and the High Council."
 * 59) ****No, I had forgotten to cite the JATM midway through that paragraph. Source added. Also, I removed "Thousands of years later," as it was kind of pointless when followed by an exact date. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 04:08, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 60) * "Jolee Bindo was a Human male Jedi in the time of the Old Republic." Could we be more specific time-wise? The Old Republic stretches across twenty-five thousand years. Jonjedigrandmaster  Jedi symbol.svg ( We seed the stars ) 16:35, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 61) **Added "circa 4000 BBY", the year the Great Sith War kicked off. I know that the next few sentences describe events that took place prior to 4000 BBY, but without known how much prior I don't feel comfortable speculating, hence the "circa". Hopefully that's sufficient. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 22:43, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 62) * In the "Jensaarai" section: please add some context on the Saarai-Kaar
 * 63) **Added some details. &mdash;fodigg BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) |
 * 64) * Also in that section: please mention Nikkos Tyris a bit sooner, and give a bit more context on him
 * 65) **Added him to second sentence, as well as his master-apprentice relationship to the Saarai-Kaar. &mdash;fodigg BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) |
 * 66) * In the BTS: "that gave a definition for Gray Jedi that did not seem to require a 'balanced' Force alignment." Could you elaborate some on this definition?
 * 67) **I had figured quoting the text in the section intro was specific, but I see that the reader may not understand that was the text I was referencing. Added: and instead focused on operating independent of the Jedi Council without succumbing to the dark side. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) |
 * 68) * "Later sources conflicted with each other over the defining characteristic of a Gray Jedi: that they spurned the Jedi High Council or that they dabbled in the dark side without becoming corrupted by it." Could you give a couple examples of which sources said what?
 * 69) **I had sourced both to the correct statements, but I see no reason not to expand this. I have added more context, spelling out the definitions rather than referencing them. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) |
 * 70) ***Yes, that is correct. You should detail such things, or else the reader will wonder what you're talking about. Also, when sentences such as these are self-referencing, then you don't have to reference them. (i.e. if you said "In Knights of the Old Republic II, Gray Jedi were described as&hellip;" You wouldn't have to source that statement to Knights of the Old Republic II, because it is self-sourcing&mdash;you've already given the source) I've gone ahead and removed the extra references. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 17:08, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 71) * "therefore meeting both qualifications" What qualifications? Do you mean the balanced Force alignment as well as operating outside the Council? Another way to fix this would be to say something like "&hellip;therefore meeting the qualifications of Gray Jedi as defined by [source 1] and [source 2]."
 * 72) **I worry then that I would be elevating said sources above the others, and I don't want to list seven sources in that sentence. Expressly described these qualifications again as per above. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) |
 * 73) ***That works. :) Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 17:08, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 74) * "However, the New Jedi Order has been confirmed to consider as Gray the entire Force traditions of the Jensaarai and the Imperial Knights." Can you state the sources that say this? i.e. say something like, "In [source 1] the New Jedi Order is stated to consider the entire&hellip;" Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 18:11, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 75) **Added. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) |
 * 76) **Thanks again for the review! &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 03:21, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 77) ***No problem; keep up the hard work! Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 17:08, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 78) * Was "Gray Jedi" mentioned in every single issue of the Star Wars: Republic: The Stark Hyperspace War comic arc? If not, you need to specify which separate issues in which it was mentioned.  Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 17:08, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 79) **Negatory. It was either issue 36 or issue 37, and I'm not sure which off-hand. I'll have to dig through my long-boxes. Will post again once the change is made. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 16:25, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * 80) **It was issue 36, I have altered the sourcing accordingly. Also, if you didn't catch the above comment, the article has some new text centered around the Voss Mystics, who were just confirmed as "Gray". &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 22:34, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 81) ***In the future, make sure you remember to change that comic issue in the appearances section as well :). I'll take a look at the Voss Mystics soon. Sorry for being a bit behind on my review lately, school's been cutting into my free time. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 01:49, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 82) ****Yeah, I saw that, thanks for making that edit for me. And no worries, school comes first obviously. Thanks for the ongoing review! &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 13:56, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 83) QUARTERS!
 * 84) * When you introduce the Voss in the History section, you need to establish their connection to the Gray Jedi. Without that, it seems a little random in there.
 * 85) **Oh duh! That is kind of important, isn't it! I didn't want to repeat myself between the history and the Voss Mystics section, so I just stated that 1) they were considered gray by both orders, and 2) that they rejected offers of teaching from both orders in favor of their own dogma. Hopefully that's sufficient for that section. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) |
 * 86) * I think a few times you make some fairly broad generalizations about just whom the Jedi Council called "Grey Jedi" and why, wheras The Stark Hyperspace War uses this only in reference to Jinn. And Tyvokka doesn't go into details, either. While you can use some of this, occasionally you extrapolate a bit too much.
 * 87) **Fair point. I've reigned it in a bit, but I do want Jinn's example in the article. Changes have been made to the intro, the history section, and the relationship with the council section. I truncated my trailing "explanations" sentences, stating simply that he was considered by some as Gray for disagreement with the council. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) |
 * 88) ***Yeah, no problem, that's fine. I have no problem with the example, as it would be remiss not to include it, but it was just colouring a little bit too far outside the lines. Much better now.
 * 89) *Otherwise, excellent work. Very readable. Thefourdotelipsis 09:47, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 90) **Thanks! And thanks for the review! I saw that you added the "retcon" tag to one of the Jensaarai appearances, so I went through and added it to every one of their appearances that was released prior to JATM, but I had a question. Should I only use the tag once and then use  the rest of the time so I don't link to retcon multiple times?  &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 14:19, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 91) ***I think you should just use the retcon template, the links aren't too much harm. Although you would likely receive no complaint if you were to change it. Not from me, anyway. Thefourdotelipsis 14:26, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 92) Long overdue transmission from the cockpit of Xwing328:
 * 93) * Very first sentence: "...walked the line between the light and dark sides of the Force without succumbing to the dark side." From what I understand, it's "without necessarily succumbing" to the dark side. (See the quote in the BTS) Which means they could succumb, but don't always. —Xwing328 (Talk) 05:40, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 94) **Well, the JATM source includes this text: Force-using Jedi who meddle with the dark side without totally surrendering to it are sometimes referred to as Gray Jedi. A Gray Jedi taps into the light side and the dark side equally. So it's a sorta, kinda, but never completely kind of thing. In my mind, "succumbing" was a total surrender, but as you point out that's not how the quote uses it, leading to confusion. I changed the intro to "without totally embracing" instead. Added similar qualifications where appropriate elsewhere, such as the Tat section. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) |
 * 95) * Super minor question: Is Grey an acceptable spelling for Gray Jedi? In other words, has the 'e' version been used in canon like the KotOR quote, or is that a typo? The article feels a little repetitive, but overall, I think it's pretty good. Don't forget to spell check next time. Firefox does a handy job of that for you (aside from all the weird SW names, that is). —Xwing328 (Talk) 05:40, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 96) **That was taken from the on-screen text, which is why it retains the non-American spelling. Normally it would follow site policy and go with the Am spelling, "gray". I'll continue to look for ways to make it less repetitive, but my concerns thus far have been that it's comprehensive and not confusing. Thanks for the review! &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 04:10, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * 97) ***Cool, that's what I wanted to know. —Xwing328 (Talk) 03:28, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 98) The Grand Master Part II
 * 99) * A couple from the Voss Mystics section: "Though their rule was totalitarian, they were considered to be as infallible as their visions&hellip;" Considered by whom? The people they ruled? Themselves?
 * 100) **By their subjects. Clarified. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) |
 * 101) * "This style of Force mystic existed before they became associated with the Voss species and settled in Voss-Ka." This sentence is confusing to me. Are you trying to say that there were other beings throughout the galaxy who were known as Force Mystics before the Voss Mystics arose and took control of Voss-Ka? If so, this should probably be moved to the beginning of the section. Also, is there any particular reason this "mystic" is not capitalized?
 * 102) **Source text: Interestingly, the Mystics have been around as long at the Old Republic has--though the culture and people who would become the Voss came much later. I tried to clean it up to clarify that Force mystics existed before they settled on Voss and became known as Voss Mystics. New sentence: Although they did not settle on Voss and become the Voss Mystics until later, this order of Force mystics is as old as the Galactic Republic. "Mystic" was made lower-case whenever not a part of "Voss Mystic" as it is not an official title, and it would be like capitalizing "user" in "Force user" or "adept" in "Force adept". (IMO) &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) |
 * 103) ***Yes, that would be the correct capitalization in that case. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 00:54, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 104) *I'll give the article one last full look-over soon. Almost there! Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 14:03, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * 105) **I'm excited for it, and am very grateful for the many reviews you're given to this. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 23:46, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * 106) ***No problem at all. I'm impressed by the amount of hard work and dedication you've put into this article. :) Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 00:54, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 107) You should probably make some mention that the IKs made an alliance with the Jedi and Galactic Alliance Remnant against Krayt's Empire. And of course, this alliance's fate will have to be updated in the coming months. Otherwise, great job, Fodigg!--  01:03, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 108) *Good idea. Added During the Second Imperial Civil War circa 137 ABY, the Imperial Knights made alliances with both the Galactic Republic[4] and the Jedi Council to oppose Darth Krayt's Galactic Empire.[5] Thanks for the review! &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 01:54, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 109) The Grand Master's last bit
 * 110) * One more image could probably be used in the History section; I think (when considering the placement options here) the best choices would be an image of Qui-Gon Jinn or Kelbis Nu
 * 111) **I went with Nu, as I already have an image of Jinn in the "relationship with the council" section. I also added a new image of Bindo for his member section, as I felt the old one was too "tall" and the closeup was a bit too close up. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) |
 * 112) * You have this statement:" They were fully trained in the ways of the Force and rejected the dark side of the Force, unlike the Force-based organizations of Emperor Palpatine's Galactic Empire, such as the Emperor's Hands and the Prophets of the Dark Side." sourced to Star Wars: Legacy 0, but does that issue specifically state that about the Emperor's Hands and the Prophets of the Dark Side?
 * 113) **Good point. Upon looking for a source for Emperor's hands, I found that they weren't all dark side, so I dropped that one. I sourced to the dark side sourcebook for the Prophets. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) |
 * 114) *And that's all. Fantastic work on this article; it's come a long way, and I'm glad to see that you've worked so hard and have been so dedicated to seeing it through this process. :) Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 18:19, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 115) **Awesome, I'm glad to hear it's finally getting there! Thanks again for all the reviews! &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 02:43, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * Added CUSWE link for you.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 21:51, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 03:02, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Rokur Gepta

 * Nominated by:  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 19:42, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: I'm happy with the way this turned out. He's a pretty cool character from an underrated series, and I think his article is now up to snuff. Oh yeah, and this is a former FA from a long time ago.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 19:42, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

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Support
 * 1) Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 19:57, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, but the final twist in his history, I'm sure I've read it before in Jim Meddick's Robotman. The pseudo-Crokes then said the unexpected real appearance could either be a moral maxim or at least a good plot for Twilight Zone. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:52, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Ankle slugs are back again! Thefourdotelipsis 01:24, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Jinzler 12:37, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Farlstendoiro will not nominate the Crokes in a near future
 * 2) * If Gepta spent decades researching the Toka, and then he contacted Lando in 4 BBY, then you should include the information on his research before saying what he did in 5 BBY (joining the Sorcerers), so that information is ordered chronologically.
 * 3) **Changed to present that information earlier.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:12, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) * "The Millennium Falcon then left the atmosphere, much to Gepta's chagrin" I understand that the Falcon escaped (by jumping to hyperspace or anything). Anyway, if this is so, you should specify so.
 * 5) **Added that it escaped by going to hyperspace.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:12, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) * "Gepta reflected on the fact that Shanga was the only person, aside from Calrissian, to stand up to him in millennia." Again, maybe this could be mentioned among the facts before 5 BBY.
 * 7) **Added it in the body, in the first paragraph.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:12, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) * Battle of ThonBoka. Consider adding "Main article: Battle of ThonBoka" to the opening of this section (Just a suggestion).
 * 9) **The "main" template is something that has always annoyed me, and since it's linked in that section, I'd rather not use that template.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:12, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10) * P&T: This is the first mention of Gepta having pets. Shouldn't they be mentioned somewhere in the history?
 * 11) **I'd say no, because they really aren't relevant to him aside from the fact that he liked them and occasionally fed crewmembers to them. That is, they don't really do anything, and certainly aren't vital to Gepta or the story. They're just a bit of an extra that reflect on him and his cruelty. It just doesn't fit in the body, I feel.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:12, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 12) *I take my hat off to you.Skippy Farlstendoiro 12:26, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 13) **Thank you, and thanks for reading it.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:12, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 14) ***My pleasure, believe me. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:52, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 15) Ankle Slugs are all the rage:
 * 16) * Should "Governor" be capitalized when you're using it to refer to Mer, but not putting it in front of his name?
 * 17) **The book doesn't capitalize it, so I went with that.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 01:01, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 18) ***Do you mean "does" capitalize it? Because they're all capitalized in the article. :P Thefourdotelipsis 00:13, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 19) ****No, it should not be capitalized. I'm just an idiot. :P Now fixed.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:34, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 20) * "To ensure that Calrissian did not simply flee as soon as he left the meeting, Gepta would have the gambler's ship rendered incapable of leaving the meeting." - I know you don't mean meeting here a second time, and would have changed it myself, but wasn't sure if you meant planet or system. Unless you do mean meeting, and it's an oddity of those crazy books.
 * 21) **Haha, don't know how I missed that. It should be "system," and now says that.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 01:01, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 22) * Does Mur die? If so, you might want to put that in, just to cap off the Rafa section a bit better.
 * 23) **Added.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 01:01, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 24) * It seems a bit odd that you refer to Gepta as "Mutdah" during his impersonation routine. I would understand this in Calrissian's article, but from a biographical standpoint for Gepta, surely you would continuously refer to him merely as Gepta, and then mention when he chose to reveal his identity to Calrissian.
 * 25) **Changed most instances. There's still like one time I use Mutdah instead of Gepta because I feel it's appropriate. "while also taking the security officers Waywa Fybot and Bassi Vobah with him to arrest Mutdah" If you disagree, I can try to change it, but I think it makes the most sense using Mutdah, since everyone believes that Mutdah is the target, and it is directly relevant to Fybot, Vobah and Lando, not Gepta.  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  01:12, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 26) ***Yeah, that makes sense. Thefourdotelipsis
 * 27) * On second thought, this happens a couple of times in the Rafa section, where Gepta "reveals" something in the story, such as his possession of the key. It's up to you, but I'd probably like to see his obtaining of the key be mentioned before he reveals it to Calrissian, just so it reinforces to the reader that we're following Gepta, as opposed to Calrissian.
 * 28) **I feel it fits best where is because it simply flows best there. Specifically, the bit about how Lando assumed that it had been obtained through illegal methods really couldn't go anywhere else. Savvy?  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 01:12, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 29) ***Yeah, that's fine. Thefourdotelipsis 01:24, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 30) *Otherwise very, very good. An enjoyable read, and obviously a massive improvement on the old article. Thefourdotelipsis 02:07, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * 31) Jinzler
 * 32) * You could mention at the end of the bio section that Calrissian later wrote about Gepta in How to Succeed in Everything --Jinzler 00:57, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 33) **I had been considering that for a while. It's now added. Quote coming soon.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 01:12, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * Thanks for the reviews, everyone. :)  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 01:12, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Myneyrsh

 * Nominated by: NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 21:52, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: An FGAN that lost it's status because it had no Bts.

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Support
 * 1) Thank you for another species! --Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:56, April 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) ~ SavageBob 20:12, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Thefourdotelipsis 03:22, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Jinzler 22:19, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Prepare to be savaged...
 * 2) * Just on a preliminary look, the BTS could be beefed up further. They were first mentioned in Zahn, but when was their background, culture, etc. first described and by whom? When were they first graphically depicted? Have their graphic depictions varied over time? How have the various RPGs treated them with relation to Humans (stronger? nimbler? quicker?). The article's in pretty good shape otherwise, but I'll look at the other sections next and report back here. :) ~ SavageBob 22:39, April 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) **Expanded. Thank you very much for the ideas. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 01:24, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) *** It looks better, but there are still some problems. First, I don't think the discrepancy in their appearance in the comics and the game supplements counts as a retcon. Rather, I would take it as simply two possible phenotypes for the Myneyrshi species, much like Land Calrissian doesn't look much like Palpatine, yet both are Humans. I think, as well, that the West End Games supplements were the first graphic depiction of the species, not the comic books (I'd guess they were first pictured in The Last Command Sourcebook]]. Also, please include the name of the artist who first illustrated them. Finally, please add some information on Myneyrshi character stats in the Wizards of the Coast version of the RPG. Good work so far, look forward to more ~ SavageBob 04:01, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) ****I'veadded the WotC material and am woirking on getting the TLCS, but I'm not sure we can assume that that is a variation. Myneyrshi are recognized galaxy-wide (despite the forgetting of their planet) as a blue, glass covered being. The comic depiction has them as yellow with flesh as their outer-most layer, and without a snout. With Human and other species where the only difference between certain races is skin tone, they still retain the features and traits of the species. If they had the glass skin/snout or even just the latter, it would be different. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 04:42, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) *****I just noticed that pic was from the Sourcebook, which is completely unfindable FSR. Added that it was their first graphic depiction. However, it's my understanding they didn't credit each individual picture to the artists back then, so I'm not sure how to find out which illistrator made it. The depictin in the comics wasn't a retcon, but more likely just a continuity/coloring error on the part of the drafter. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 01:32, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) ****** It's looking much better! Be careful about quoting game statistics too literally; most people don't understand what +2 to this or -2 to that means in real terms; I've fixed this for you. Also, be careful of UAA's lists of names; they are not "common" names, but "sample" names; I went ahead and made the change. As for my objections above, I would still like to see you name some authors and artists in "Behind the scenes." Who wrote them up in The Last Command Sourcebook? Who drew them for the first time? Who drew them incorrectly in the comic book? Because these people have played key roles in developing the species, I feel they deserve to be called out by name. As for the different appearance, I'm still inclined to say that because The Last Command comic book is a canon source, its depiction of the Myneyrshi is canon and should be reflected in the article. I'd like to hear what others think about this, though, so I'm open to counter-arguments! ~ SavageBob 01:59, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) ****** Sorry; I didn't realize you had already replied as to the artist ID of the WEG sourcebook illustrator. I just checked my copy, and the original Myneyrshi illustration was done by David Plunkett. Hope this helps! ~ SavageBob 02:04, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) *******I've added all the artists and the writers. I think that the comic should be treated like a movie comic in respect to the difference. When there is no contradiction to the source material, it can be considered canon, while if there is one it cannot. This is similar to the differences in the duels of ROTS, like Windu v. Palpy or the Duel on Mustafar. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 17:29, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10) ******** OK, only the variant appearance issue remains unresolved. I've asked some other folks from WP:A to weigh in, as I still feel the comic version of the species should be considered canon, but I can see your reasoning too. Hopefully I'll be able to support soon enough once some more people give their opinions. :) ~ SavageBob 18:27, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11) *********Eyrezer says he things the variant appearance should be considered an error, and Skippy's already supported, so I defer. Good work, and thanks for the guest nom! ~ SavageBob 20:12, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 12) **********No, thank you for your review. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 03:45, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 13) Farlstendoiro thanks you for your guest nom to WP:AS
 * 14) * Intro: "strange blue crystalline flesh". Strange = NPOV ?
 * 15) **Definite POV.
 * 16) * Question: Why don't you link "knives" to combat knife?
 * 17) **I knew there had to be an article on knives somewhere.
 * 18) * Society: "their planetary neighbors, the Psadan" <- This might be understood as the people living in the neighboring planet. Maybe you should reword it?
 * 19) **Fixed. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 23:50, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 20) * "The Psadans were an unintelligent species" <- Sounds as if they were non-sentients. Maybe you could say "primitive" or "more primitive" or something?
 * 21) **Fixed.
 * 22) * "[C'baoth] tried to Force the Myneyrshi and the Psadan to cohabitate" Why do you use a capital F? You mean he used the Force to coerce them? Is it appropiate to use "the Force" as a verb?
 * 23) **It was a caps mistake.
 * 24) * History: In the first paragraph you talk about "the exploratory vessel" before telling us about it. What exploratory vessel? Maybe it could be solved simply saying "an exploratory vessel"?
 * 25) **Fixed.
 * 26) * "although thousands fled the war-torn planet, the Myneyrshi refused to leave their homeworld." So no Myneyrshi left? It was thousands of the other species inhabiting Wayland? Could you please specify this?
 * 27) **Fixed.
 * 28) * "As the only native species of Wayland" The article says that Psadans are also a native species of Wayland ("another of Wayland's sentient species" in the intro). Contradiction; please change one.
 * 29) **Fixed.
 * 30) *Made some edits to reorder sources; instead of [2][1][8] now it's [1][2][8], hope you don't mind. Skippy Farlstendoiro 10:15, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 31) **I don't. Thank you. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 23:50, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * File:Myneyrshi.JPG is in violation of rule #4. A re-scan wouldn't hurt, either, if you can find someone with a copy. --Imperialles 13:24, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) *Done, though the scan I found is about the same quality. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 23:22, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Eyrezer:
 * 3) * "One of the species that the mad clone Joruus C'baoth kept under his rule from a secret Imperial storehouse inside Mount Tantiss, the Myneyrshi were nearly wiped out by the Yuuzhan Vong during the Yuuzhan Vong Invasion, despite uniting with the Psadan in a failed attempt to fight off the invaders." Can you split this sentence? It seems to suggest a link between being ruled by C'baoth and being attacked by the Vong when there isn't a link.
 * 4) **Fixed. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 01:06, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) * "Their experience with the Imperial occupation of Wayland after that," This is a bit of a fragment. Can you change it?
 * 6) **Fixed. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 01:06, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) * "defiant of technology" Can you reword this?
 * 8) **Reworded. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 01:06, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) * The Society and culture section could do with some reorganising. I've tried to add some subsections to give it a bit more structure, but it is still a bit shuffled. For instance, you discuss them being ostinate at the start, and then strong willed towards the end. Can you group these parts together?
 * 10) **Addressed. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 01:29, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11) * Likewise, the first paragraph of the History should come after discussion of the Myneyrshi war with the Psadans that is said to precede it.
 * 12) **Fixed. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 01:06, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 13) ***Have a look at the edit I made to the start of the history section. Although only small, it ensures this section starts at the beginning, if you will, rather than jumping straight into their later wars. It is a good idea to make sure each section has its own kind of introduction like this. --Eyrezer 10:39, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 14) *I hope you don't mind, but I've rearranged the images so that the only pic of The Last Command Myneyrshi is in the BTS. --Eyrezer 09:33, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 15) **I don't mind. Thanks. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 01:06, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 16) * "offering of a fowl as satnachakka" Are there any details on how/where/when this occurred? Also, "While the bird was elevated on the spire": can you explain what the spire is?
 * 17) **Done. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 18:51, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 18) * "Another Myneyrshi ritual was the presentation of a ritual staff, a gesture to show unity and friendship." Can you provide examples of when this occurred?
 * 19) **Done. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 18:51, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 20) * Can we get an article for the Myneyrsh from MedStar I: Battle Surgeons?
 * 21) **Sure.
 * 22) ***He also needs to be mentioned in this article... --Eyrezer 05:08, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 23) ****In what context? He's not particularly notable IU. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 23:36, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 24) *****It doesn't matter whether he is notable IU. An appropriate place would be the Myneyrshi in the galaxy section. --Eyrezer 08:04, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 25) ******Added. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 02:48, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 26) * "However, when the Human colonists crashed on Wayland, they became the new enemy." This is written as though the colonists have already been introduced in the article. Can you introduce this event more directly? And is there any indication of when this occurred? --Eyrezer 00:35, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * 27) **Added.
 * 28) *Can you add some more info on Txer to the MitG section? It feels rather skimpy at the moment. Similarly, there should be some information in the History section from Emissary of the Void. --Eyrezer 10:48, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 29) **Added. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 15:35, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 30) Hmm.
 * 31) * Does the intro really have to be that long?
 * 32) **Shortened enough? NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 02:48, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 33) ***That'll do. It was mainly a cosmetic thing. Thefourdotelipsis
 * 34) * Is "youngling" really a colloquial term for all children? Even if so, is there any particular reason for using "youngling"?
 * 35) **Changed to children. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 02:48, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 36) * Should "satnachakka" be a link?
 * 37) **No, it's just their word for peace offering. 02:48, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 38) * The first few sentences of the "History" section read strangely, as you say "Before Human colonists arrived, blah blah blah. However, Human colonists arrived..." Probably needs a bit of tweaking there.
 * 39) **How about now?
 * 40) * The history section doesn't mention Luke Skywalker at all, despite the illustration. Isn't there more to be said about Skywalker's visit, and the destruction of Mount Tantiss?
 * 41) **Added. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 02:48, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 42) * "During the Yuuzhan Vong War, the extra-galactic species" - which extra-galactic species? Needs rephrasing.
 * 43) **Rephrased
 * 44) * Just a comment: you use a Legacy quote to summarize the later subsection. This is a bit jarring... is there not a better, more general quote for the earlier portion of the "History" section?
 * 45) **Changed. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 02:48, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 46) *That's all. Thefourdotelipsis 10:04, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 47) Jinzler
 * 48) * Can you find out if they have an entry in The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia? --Jinzler 18:04, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 49) **No worries, I see that Savage Bob has now added this as a source, and said in his edit summary that it has no new info --Jinzler 22:19, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * Yes, the Bts is very short. There really isn't much of anything to note about these guys.
 * In nominating this article, have you checked through all the original sources or just added the Bts? As nominator, you need to be able to verify it contains all information, and not just rely on the work of its original GA nominator to have done their job. --Eyrezer 02:21, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I did check the sources, with the exceptions of the RPG suppliments as they'd completely slipped my mind. I'll rectify that as soon as possible. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 23:50, April 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you include an image from Legacy showing how the species is depicted there? Either a normal one or a mutated one could be helpful to the article. ~ SavageBob 04:03, April 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is how the one appears on the cover of Monster, Part 2 an accurate depiction? NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo.png 23:22, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's an accurate depiction of their monstrous, Vongformed look. You could use that one. ~ SavageBob 01:59, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Cut Lawquane

 * Nominated by:  JangFett  (Talk) 21:30, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: What an interesting guy.

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Support
 * 1) Does he have a brother called Nick by any chance? (sorry, that was terrible XD) <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 20:04, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) I like the article-it's well written. --Gungan Jedi 21 16:26, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Thefourdotelipsis 00:41, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) How can I not vote for Cut Lawrence [sic]? -- 1358  (Talk) 16:26, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Object style="color:purple">Trayus Academy ]]) 23:10, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) In the intro, you say that Lawquane's "transport was crashed by two Confederate gunships." Can you rephrase that? I don't think "crash" is supposed to be used that way. -LtNOWIS 01:14, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) *Did some minor tweaking. Tell me what you think. :)  JangFett  (Talk) 05:36, April 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) **Looks good. -LtNOWIS 04:50, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Nayayen
 * 5) * "As Lawquane avoided being detected by the Republic, the family..." This sounds like it should be "As Lawquane wanted to avoid being" or "So that Lawquane could avoid being" or something like that. It doesn't sound quite right as it is.
 * 6) **Addressed
 * 7) * "told the former clone" He is still a clone, just not a soldier.
 * 8) **Addressed, and fixed all other cases.
 * 9) * "The resulting crash caused many clone troopers to be either wounded or killed." This wording sounds odd. You don't say that something caused people to be wounded, wounded as a result maybe. And the repetition of "caused", although the preceding sentence is best worded as is, sounds off so you may as well kill two birds with one stone here.
 * 10) **Addressed
 * 11) * "Despite Lawquane tried avoiding...were hunting Confederate General Grievous." Eh? That whole sentence makes no sense.
 * 12) **Should be good now.
 * 13) * "Suu told her husband of why Rex was their, and..." Do you mean to say there or their guest?
 * 14) **Addressed
 * 15) * Would it hurt to say that Rex wouldn't turn them in because he "wouldn't remember due to his injuries"?
 * 16) **It's fine as is.
 * 17) * "Memories of the his squad crashing following the Battle of Geonosis haunted him, and would recall those memories he had to others, such as Rex." There's a few articles/pronouns missing here.
 * 18) **Addressed
 * 19) *Good work, but a few careless mistakes. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 10:15, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 20) **Thanks for the review.  JangFett  (Talk) 18:58, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 21) Trayus Academy:
 * 22) * You have a few problems with perspective in the intro. You introduce him as a former clone trooper, but by saying that you're speaking specifically from the prospective that you're given in the episode. By saying something along the lines of "Cut Lawquane was a clone trooper of the blah blah blah that later deserted the Grand Army of the Republic," you can improve flow quite a bit as well.
 * 23) **Addressed
 * 24) *The sequencing of events in the beginning of the intro's second paragraph is similarly from the POV of the audience, and not Lawquane's or an omniscient viewer.
 * 25) **Addressed; hope that helps.
 * 26) ***Eh, this still needs some alteration. Something like "While Lawquane was away from the farm delivering his first harvest, the homestead was visited by a squad of clone troopers looking for refuge for their wounded captain." ... or something.
 * 27) ****Sounds good.
 * 28) * Your method of explaining the reasons for Lawquane's desertion in the intro is a bit confusing. Please reword. "While Rex deemed Lawquane to be a deserter of the army, the former clone trooper simply felt that he had a choice of deserting the Republic, as he was an individual who had a life.
 * 29) **I replaced that sentence, and modified the previous.
 * 30) * You also make it sound as if the children activated the droids from within the homestead.
 * 31) **Addressed
 * 32) * Again, in the beginning of the bio, you introduce him as a former clone trooper, while at this time he wasn't yet former.
 * 33) **Addressed
 * 34) *"In 22 BBY, following the Battle of Geonosis, the first battle of the Clone Wars, Lawquane and a team of clone troopers were onboard a transport, soon to be caught between two Confederate gunships." You're going to want to reword this, as it's rather choppy as it stands.
 * 35) **You didn't really reduce the choppiness by the sentences. You can keep it as one, but streamline it and cut down the commas.
 * 36) * Are you certain it was artillery that the gunships used?
 * 37) **Seeing that would be the best choice, it wasn't explained. But, Lawquane's dialogue may suggest it. I removed it, though. Speculation.
 * 38) * Overall that first paragraph needs to be better organized, as it's extremely choppy and difficult to read through at the moment - particularly the last sentence.
 * 39) **Addressed
 * 40) * "When the clone captain awoke and attempted to use his hand blaster," - use it for what?
 * 41) **Addressed
 * 42) * This is grammatically worded strangely - "The former clone trooper also offered Rex to join his family for their evening meal."
 * 43) **Addressed
 * 44) ***It was still pretty rough. I fixed it up myself&mdash;feel free to alter it if you don't like it.
 * 45) * "As Lawquane began arming himself with a blaster rifle and carbine, Rex started to organize their attack strategy, although Lawquane ordered Rex to protect his wife and children, as he was their last line of defense if something happened to Lawquane." - lengthy and has a lack of flow.
 * 46) **Addressed
 * 47) * "Cut Lawquane didn't believe in the Clone Wars" - saying you don't believe in something means you don't think it exists. You need to say something like "the principals behind the Clone Wars"
 * 48) **Should be better now.
 * 49) * "He would recall those memories he had to others, such as Rex." - There's not any evidence that he told anyone else these stories.
 * 50) **Addressed
 * 51) *I'll review it again after others have given it a look, but I would really like for you to look at the edits I made. I had to remove a lot of superfluous wordage (mainly "however"s and "although"s and "while"s) that seem to be a trend in your writing. They seem to be a major problem that causes the choppiness in certain areas. A would suggest that you read paragraphs aloud to yourself after writing them&mdash;I do this very often, and I know it's definitely helped me. If something doesn't sound right, there's usually a better way to word it. Darth Trayus  ([[User talk:Dark Lord Trayus|<span
 * 1) **Yeah, it's always good to vary the words I would normally use. Thanks for the review and suggestion, Trayus. :)  JangFett  (Talk) 23:38, May 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) ***Not only variance, but sometimes you simply don't need them at all. I did some further edits, please look at the article comparison to see the kinds of things you should remember to do and not to do for future articles. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 00:42, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * I would suggest you find a new main quote, as the current one doesn't really tell us anything about him that the article title doesn't. I would go for "to each his own," but it's up to you. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 22:19, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I changed the quote to one that showed his personality. See the new edit.--Gungan Jedi 21 16:26, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * In the introduction and in the biography-part are both '...are girl named Shaeeah and a boy named Jekk. Can you fix it, please? &#123;&#123;ERS:Benutzer:Nahdar Vebb}} 13:05, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed.  JangFett  (Talk) 13:25, May 8, 2010 (UTC)

Barpotomous Drebble

 * Nominated by: Cull Tremayne 06:01, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Trying to restore this article to FA, as it was only minor issues that got it de-FAd, as I understand it. Cull Tremayne 06:01, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

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Object Comments
 * 1) Can you find a source for Billy Dee having advertised Colt 45? A youtube video'd probably do it. Also, maybe add "the actor who played Lando in Empire and Jedi" after you mention Billy Dee? Menkooroo 02:50, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) *Good point, added. Cull Tremayne 04:19, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Takes me back to the good old days...
 * 4) *A marginal explanation of what a skifter is and its significance might be in order.
 * 5) *"Seemed to escalate" and otherlikewise statements could probably be tweaked and made a bit more solid, if it's just going off your interpretations.
 * 6) *"Immediately after this promotion, Lemo and Sanda's gang accosted Captain Drebble about the whereabouts of an expensive artifact, the Dancing Goddess." - Is "accosted" the right word there?
 * 7) *"Barpotomous Drebble was a large man who enjoyed the finer things." - Bit too informal.
 * 8) *"Although he possessed a sense of style, Drebble was not a very apt fighter in hand to hand combat, and he was genuinely shocked and dismayed when one of his subordinates lashed out at him, punching him in the face." - What does one have to do with the other?
 * 9) *More "seemed" stuff. Cull, Cull. :P
 * 10) *Tis all. Thefourdotelipsis 04:07, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Eelysa

 * Nominated by: Cull Tremayne 03:51, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: She's a scarecrow!

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Support
 * 1) --Eyrezer 12:59, May 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  StarNeptune Talk to me! 22:26, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Ah-ha!
 * 2) *"Skywalker temporarily lost control of the boulders, the trees and R2-D2 that he was levitating and crashed to the ground." - The phrasing here is a little odd... namely the "and R2-D2 that" part. Could it be tweaked just a little?
 * 3) *"Eventually, Eelysa noticed a mysterious task force sniffing around the system," - Sniffing is just a touch too colloquial, I think.
 * 4) *Otherwise excellent. Thefourdotelipsis 07:39, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

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Lightside Explorer

 * Nominated by:  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 04:39, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Me again.

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Support
 * 1) Jedi Kasra (comlink) 18:06, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) -- 1358  (Talk) 12:26, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) LtNOWIS 07:05, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Great job. Sorry I didn't come back sooner, but I suppose you still need a few Inq votes. Graestan ( Talk ) 21:26, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) Will no one rid me of this turbulent TOTJ? Thefourdotelipsis 00:28, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:06, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) No categories?--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 06:47, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) *Crap, lost them in the transition. Don't know how I didn't notice. Fixed.  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 23:21, May 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) **Eh, it happens. Good job.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 18:06, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) G-stan: Too detailed about what went on at the hyperspace terminal. It's about the ship, not the people.  Graestan ( Talk ) 05:01, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) *Cut it down; I still left the basic gist of what happened.  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 23:46, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) Toprawa:
 * 7) * You could add simply the linked "navigation computer" to the appropriate field in the infobox
 * 8) **Addressed.
 * 9) * How is this, the last sentence of the intro, relevant to the Lightside Explorer? "The enforcers later returned, but were defeated again by Thon and Nomi Sunrider, now a Jedi trainee."
 * 10) **Removed.
 * 11) *Otherwise, nice job. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:23, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 12) **Thanks for the review.  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 01:11, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 13) Green Tentacle:
 * 14) *It's long enough for another image or two. Internal cockpit one might be good for one.
 * 15) *Ambria: "A-3DO opted to stay behind and spent his time repairing the Lightside Explorer's hatchway." The hatch was damaged during the previous attack, right? Say so.
 * 16) *Behind the scenes: "released over early 1993–late 1994" Should this be late 1993–early 1994? Green Tentacle (Talk) 19:48, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

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Vydel Dir'Nul

 * Nominated by: Jedi Kasra (comlink) 17:19, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Crazy&hellip;

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 * 1) Interesting. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 23:03, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Yeah, quite interesting. Good work. -- 1358  (Talk) 12:46, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) I trust that you're seeking out more images. Whoo-hoo! Menkooroo 12:49, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Made some BTS tweaks, hope you don't mind.  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  00:47, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) I haven't forgotten thee, young Jedi Kasra. —Tommy  9281 01:02, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) That's a bingo. Thefourdotelipsis 02:33, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) Weirdo :P QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 10:04, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Heh, now I can say "like this needs another user vote". Good work Kasra. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 17:47, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

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 * 1) Trayus Academy:
 * 2) * No quotes for Bio/P&T/P&A?
 * 3) **Got one for the bio. She doesn't have any good dialogue, really.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 22:49, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) ***Wow you're right.
 * 5) * You should make a link for the bodyguarded "individual."
 * 6) **Normally, I would. However, there is absolutely no info given on the person. Just that the individul was protected by Dir'Nul, hardly worthy of an article, IMO.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 22:49, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) * On that note, is there absolutely no context on this "individual?" Humanoid? Anything?
 * 8) **See above.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 22:49, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) * Was there a relationship between B'risko and Dir'Nul? You don't specify in the bio. As it stands it seems like it was she who fell in love with him, but there was never any interaction between the two prior to his murder.
 * 10) **Done.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 22:49, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11) * You also need to make it more explicit in the biography that she was unaware of the fact that she had dual personalities, and that she believed Kardem to be an entirely different individual.
 * 12) **Done, I think--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 22:49, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 13) * Other than "After the initiation of the Clone Wars, Dir'Nul refused to fight as a Jedi General, and was not interested in fighting for the Republic's politicians, whom she viewed as greedy and self-serving." the entire first paragraph of the P&T is information restated from the bio and intro. You should alter it so instead of simply stating that she slew B'risko and the Twi'lek, say that her anger/jealousy overcame her, driving her to commit murder. And then do something similar for the rest of that paragraph as well.
 * 14) **I think it's good; I'm usually relucatant to word these types of situations unless it's stated explicitly in the source.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 22:49, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 15) * "Dir'Nul was featured in the article The History of the Mandalorians written by Abel G. Peña and published in Star Wars Insider 80." - was she actually featured or just mentioned? I don't own the source but I have difficulty believing she actually appeared in a prominent role.
 * 16) **She was mentioned only, taken care of.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 22:49, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 17) *That's it from me. Well-written. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 18:57, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 18) **Thanks for the review.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 22:49, May 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 19) A few things:
 * 20) * Could you change one of the "reverted" in the intro?
 * 21) **Done.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 12:42, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 22) * You give the Clone Wars context in the intro, but not in the body. Please decide whether you give context to both mentions or not.
 * 23) **Done.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 12:42, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 24) *That's it. Good work. -- 1358  (Talk) 04:42, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 25) **Thanks for the review!
 * 26) http://objection.ytmnd.com
 * 27) * There's no context on the battle of Geonosis in the intro ---maybe just refer to it as "the beginning of the clone wars"?
 * 28) **Done.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 13:47, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 29) * The sentence "whom she believed was a different individual" that you have in the bio is great. Can you include it in the intro? The opening of the intro's second paragraph is a little confusing.
 * 30) **Done.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 13:47, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 31) * Does the Twi'lek woman that B'risko makes out with appear in the comic? If so, create an article for her.
 * 32) **Eh, but what would I call her? She was Kardem's first Twi'lek victim.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 13:47, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 33) ***As far as article names for unidentified people go, that's actually a pretty good one. Menkooroo 14:33, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 34) ****Done.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 12:36, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 35) * Is it B'risko or B'rinko?
 * 36) **Fixed.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 13:47, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 37) * I don't think the "formerly"'s in the infobox are necessary. "As Vydel Dir'Nul" might be a better idea.
 * 38) **Done.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 13:47, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 39) * The second paragraph of the bio reads really confusingly. Kardem is referred to as "he", but then "her" attacker is referred to while she's still in Kardem form. The sentence "After he used her surname while pleading with her to stop attacking him, Kardem told the man he was going to kill him." is particularly confusing.
 * 40) **Better?--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 13:47, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 41) *Can you get another image of her from the comic? There's room for it. Menkooroo 13:05, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 42) **Ah, just read your comment. There are a few people who you can ask for images. Feel free to be proactive on this and ask around, rather than waiting for someone to notice it. Menkooroo 13:05, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 43) Stuff:
 * 44) * "By the time she arrived on the planet Perilious—which was known for its Twi'lek slave tradings—Dir'Nul slew three more Twi'lek females as Kardem." This means that she killed three more Twi'leks, in addition to the three already mentioned, right? If so, I think it should be rephrased along the lines of "Dir'Nul had slain three more Twi'lek females as Kardem."
 * 45) **Taken care of.-- 18:35, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 46) * "Plausible stories in Star Wars Tales 1–20 were initially viewed as S-canon until referenced in a non-Tales source, at which point the subject matter was elevated to C-canon status." Two things. Does this mean that only "non-outlandish" stories were S-canon (the rest were presumably N-canon)? Secondly, what was the first non-Tales source that referenced this? I'd like to see that mentioned in there, if possible.
 * 47) **There's a similar notice in Gira's article, I would presume that this is the case. And the fact that she was mentioned in The History of the Mandalorians follows this notice.-- 18:35, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 48) *Otherwise, nothing from me.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 23:42, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 49) **Thanks for the review, Chack!-- 18:35, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * First, many thanks to for the pre-nom review. Secondly, no other images yet. Anyone with a copy of Dark Journey feel free to upload some.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 17:19, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I don't mind the BTS changes. Thanks, Chack.-- 01:08, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

X2

 * Nominated by: QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 17:30, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: A 60 KB long single-source article? I bet this has never happened before&hellip;

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Support
 * 1) Looks good to me. Great job, Qui-Gon.-- 01:33, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) List of doom
 * 2) * In the early life section, you say that Grey was a Knight. However, the following sentence indicates that he was still under Kota's tutelage. The first sentence should say Grey was a Padawan, shouldn't it? Or was Kota his former Master when the Kaminoans stole Grey's DNA?
 * 3) **Grey was Kota's Padawan when the Kaminoans stole his DNA, but after that incident he became a Knight. I've tweaked the early life part to reflect this. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 12:54, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) ***Thanks. I'll keep looking for more objections.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 19:47, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) * Please capitalize all instances of "Master".
 * 6) **There's only one instance of "master", and I believe it's not incorrect. If the word's being used in the context of being a Padawan's master I'm not sure it should be capitalized, as it isn't a title; and you can be someone's master and not be a Jedi Master. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 14:53, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) ***Ah, OK. Cool.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 12:34, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) *More to come, perhaps&hellip;--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 14:30, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) You're sitting on a new Khomeini?
 * 10) *The intro is a touch engorged, I think. If you could condense it down to the length of the three existing paragraphs, that would be ideal.
 * 11) *A curious item appears in Star Wars Missions 1: Assault on Yavin Four&mdash;"Wedge Antilles and the other surviving starfighter pilots were also present." The event in question is a briefing held by Dodonna, and concerns an Imperial carrack cruiser entering the Yavin system. The cruiser is later downed and its captain, Skeezer, is captured by the Alliance. Since X2 is identified as one of those surviving pilots, I would think it counts as an appearance of sorts, but I'm curious to know what you think about this.
 * 12) *Otherwise, quite good. Although utter tosh. :P Thefourdotelipsis 02:55, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

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Ysanne Isard (clone)

 * Nominated by: QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 17:48, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: I wonder how she would have been called if Tim Zahn had written the book. Yyysanne, Ysanneee, Yssssaaannne?

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 * 1)  StarNeptune Talk to me! 18:37, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Thefourdotelipsis 10:02, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Object


 * 1) Comet Express: I'd just like to state for the record that I've never read the X-wing novels, and my knowledge of Isard comes almost exclusively from the New Essential Guide to Characters and the New Essential Chronology. That being said, here is my review.
 * 2) * It is unclear to me why Isard wanted to kill her clone after the mission to Thyferra was over, especially after all the work she seemed to put into growing it. I assume it was due to her "ice heart" nature, but maybe there was some sort of thinking behind it?
 * 3) **Addressed.
 * 4) * "While the prisoners were being kept at the Commenor facility, the clone paid for their housing to Xenovet's trustee, the attorney Mem Wooter, from her financial institutions also in the Corvis Minor system." At this point, the clone has head trauma and believes she is the real Isard. Do these accounts belong to the real Isard and the clone stole from them, or did the clone set them up independently?
 * 5) **The book's kinda vague on this subject. The only mention of the accounts comes from Mirax Terrik and Iella Wessiri, who, unaware the clone's existence, find out that "Isard made payments for housing the prisoners through financial institutions located in the Corvis Minor system." However, as it is revealed that the Isard who kept the prisoners was in fact the clone and not the real one, the conclusion is that it was the clone who made those payments, but whether she set the accounts herself or used preexisting ones is unknown.
 * 6) ***It's cool.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 18:37, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) * In the meantime, the clone released a series of files that supposedly showed that Krennel did not have the resources in the Hegemony to build such a project. One of them, however, the Corvis Minor file, had been tampered with to show the exact opposite Who tampered with the Corvis Minor file? The clone?
 * 8) **Yep.
 * 9) * When Krennel and Isard did not receive word from the ambushing force, the Prince-Admiral instructed the Star Destroyer Aspiration stationed in the system to check the site of the battle. I think you mean the clone here, not Isard herself.
 * 10) **Addressed.
 * 11) * The clone realized that the Star Destroyer was the property of the criminal Booster Terrik How did she discover this?
 * 12) **Addressed.
 * 13) * [Isard, however, decided to find Lorrir herself and located him in the operations room inside the hangar—"Roat," who was in fact the leader of Rogue Squadron, Wedge Antilles, had stunned Lorrir with a blaster and locked him there.] [After the failed attack, Antilles revealed to Isard that she was in fact a mere clone.] [Playing dead, Isard put static through the comm system.] Again, I assume you were referring to the clone in these sentences.
 * 14) **Yes, I was. All fixed.
 * 15) *Other than the above, it was a good read overall. :)  StarNeptune Talk to me! 23:39, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 16) **Thanks. Glad you liked it. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 14:17, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 17) Quote, not dialogue, for the main quote.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 14:06, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 18) *Addressed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 14:25, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 19) **The quote-not-dialogue thing is actually only for two-person, two-line quotes. I think dialogue would be a lot easier to read in this case. - Lord Hydronium 05:45, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 20) ***Personally, I don't mind either wording. I'm going to leave it as a quote for now. However, if people prefer the dialogue, I'll change it back. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 10:14, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

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Maw (Dark Jedi)

 * Nominated by: QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 17:48, May 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Just a little less useless than Gorc, but just as stupid.

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Support
 * 1) Great job, no matter how stupid he is&hellip;--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 20:06, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  00:34, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Good stuff. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 21:16, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Not much to say about the Boltrunians. Their RPG stats are "+0 to all" --Skippy Farlstendoiro 11:42, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Object Comments
 * 1) * "Aboard the Vengeance, Jerec ripped the information he needed from Rahn's mind, but immediately afterward, the Jedi stole Yun's lightsaber and attacked the Dark Jedi" -> this reads a bit confusingly as to who's being attacked. You might consider revising the phrasing a bit for clarity.
 * 2) **Addressed.
 * 3) * The article occasionally lapses into general summary of events as opposed to an account of Maw. "Unexpectedly, the Jedi Master then Force-pulled..." is an example; it should be written in a more omnipresent voice or else from Maw's perspective. Kyle Katarn's arrival at Ruusan also needs to be revised to be more Maw-centric. As is it reads more like Kyle's biography; try to revise it so that Maw is the focal-point and not arriving out of nowhere, if that makes sense.
 * 4) * There's frequent info that, in my opinion, is quite superfluous to Maw. The names of the captured Rebels, the fact that Katarn is self-taught, and that he learned from Rahn's ghost, those kinds of facts seems unnecessary to me, though it's up to you what merits inclusion or removal.
 * 5) **Both objections should be addressed.
 * 6) * Finally, a sentence on the ultimate fate of Jerec and his mission would help close out the biography, I think.
 * 7) **Addressed
 * 8) *Otherwise excellent, good job. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 22:27, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) **Thanks. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 20:21, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10) ***Sorry for the delay in striking these, btw. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 21:16, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11) A couple things&hellip;
 * 12) * The 1st paragraph in the intro says that his legs were severed, but the beginning sentence for the 2nd paragraph seems to indicate that Maw's torso was severed. Which is it?
 * 13) **Addressed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 20:21, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 14) * In the 2nd paragraph of Early life, it states that he was mentioned in the Imperial Holovision. It was actually the final edition of the Republic Holonet news.
 * 15) **Addressed.
 * 16) * According to this, Maw's a Jedi Guardian. This should be added in the article, probably in the P&A? I already added it to the categories.
 * 17) **Added a small tidbit.
 * 18) *Other than these, you did a good job, QuiGon.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 14:24, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 19) **Thanks for the review. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 20:21, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 20) Farlstendoiro
 * 21) * As per Insider 84, Maw was also known as "Maw the Boltrunian" during his time as a fugitive Jedi.
 * 22) **Addressed.
 * 23) ***Why don't you add it in the intro too? --Skippy Farlstendoiro 07:15, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 24) * Pic and Boc have longer full names that should be mentioned in their first mention.
 * 25) **Addressed.
 * 26) * Quote under "Search for the Valley" is partly in italics, partly not.
 * 27) **Fixed.
 * 28) * "a Rebel named Morgan Katarn". Couldn't you reword it to mention the full name of the Rebellion? "Morgan Katarn, a member of the anti-Imperial Alliance to Restore the Republic".
 * 29) **Addressed. The "anti-Imperial" part feels kinda redundant, though, so I didn't add it.
 * 30) * I'd like you to mention that few individuals achieved Tripzest mastery - it is mentioned in the articles of the other two Tripzesters.
 * 31) **Addressed.
 * 32) *Hmmm... Boltrunians...Skippy Farlstendoiro 14:38, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 33) **I look forward to seeing them nominated )) QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 20:21, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * I do believe that the Rebel Alliance had been replaced by the New Republic by 5 ABY. Thefourdotelipsis 10:33, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I second Acky's concern that there's probably a bit of superfluous info in there, but otherwise, nice job, and I'll support soon.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:20, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Darth Vectivus

 * Nominated by: —Tommy 9281 00:43, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Yet another notable occasion on the calendar of dread.

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Support
 * 1)  Clone Commander Lee  Talk 17:53, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Great job, Tommy.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 12:38, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) This is the Uncle Buck of Sith Lords. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 01:52, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Lazy Felix the Sith Lord! Thefourdotelipsis 04:43, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) NaruHina
 * 2) * "Vectivus's Force phantom technique was coveted by the Korriban Sith despite their contempt for him." I'm not sure why this is in the P&T, it seems out of place, especially since it's in the P&A with much more detail.
 * 3) **Addressed.
 * 4) * "CSWE also states that Lumiya met Vectivus' spirit at The Home millennia after his death&hellip;he died centuries prior&hellip;" I don't think this is technically a contradiction. "Centuries" and "Millennia" can potentially mean the same thing.
 * 5) **I hear you, but it is still a note of confusion. I'd rather point out the contradiction instead of leaving the reader to interpret the terms as sort-of interchangeable. Let me know if you really feel it necessary for me to remove it, and I'll do so.
 * 6) ***No, it's fine. It's better to ask the question than say nothing at all. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 00:19, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) *I'll continue this either in a few hours or tomorrow. RLI. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 00:41, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) **I'll be waiting ;) —Tommy 9281 00:51, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) * "&hellip;lingered in the labyrinthine mines underneath the Home, where in life he had once resided." Work in that the Jonex Mine was in the Home.
 * 10) **Addressed.
 * 11) * "&hellip;began to behave similarly to the extinct species that preceded them." What extinct species?
 * 12) **Addressed.
 * 13) *That's it. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 00:19, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 14) **Thanks for the review, Naru. Please advise if anything further is required. —Tommy 9281 00:25, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 15) Quote, not dialogue, for P&T.  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  00:27, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 16) *I think you meant P&A ;). Either way, it's been addressed. —Tommy 9281 00:37, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 17) Could you cut down on the intro a bit? It is very long compared to the body. --  1358  (Talk) 17:15, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 18) *Really? I don't think it is. Everything that's said there needs to be said. I would ask that you please reconsider your position. —Tommy 9281 18:23, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 19) **Fair enough. -- 1358  (Talk) 18:28, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 20) Per WP:LG, please provide the subject's name in bold in the intro. --Imperialles 08:46, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * 21) *It already was, but for my own future reference, where does it say that in the LG? I looked for that and couldn't find it. —Tommy 9281 12:11, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * 22) **My bad. Chalk it up to a needlessly high desktop resolution. The bolding thing is mentioned here. --Imperialles 22:44, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * 23) Grunny:
 * 24) *Apostrophe consistency. Make a decision whether to use Vectivus' or Vectivus's. Both are correct but it's better to be consistent.
 * 25) **Addressed.
 * 26) *Likewise you're inconsistent in capitalization of "the Home" versus "The Home." Whichever is used in the sources should be applied throughout.
 * 27) **Addressed.
 * 28) *I'll read through it fully soon. Grunny  ( talk ) 00:07, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 29) **Thank you sir;) —Tommy 9281 15:50, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 30) Cec Linder!
 * 31) * For the purposes of an introduction, there's perhaps a bit too much detail about the apparition to Nelani in the intro.
 * 32) * "During his early years, this Human male lived a normal life into adulthood" - Which? Tense needs checking there. And I think it's in the intro as well.
 * 33) * There's a bit too much detail on Rar's movements that aren't directly relevant to Vectivus, nor do we require that context.
 * 34) * This also goes for the movements of the Sith. The article starts to become about Vectivus's asteroid, rather than the character himself.
 * 35) *Otherwise excellent. Thefourdotelipsis 11:14, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 36) Farlstendoiro
 * 37) *"the current Dark Lady of the Sith". I dislike the use of the word current, when we are using past tense under the premise of "A long time ago".
 * 38) *"a decadent mansion". NPOV?
 * 39) *Section 'Sith Master', last paragraph, is not chronologically ordered: He died there, but before his death he had built a holocron. You should mention that he built the holocron, and then he died.
 * 40) *The quote for "Conversations with Nelani Dinn" is attributed to Vectivus and Dinn, but I think the first line is uttered by Dinn. Could you reword the atrtrbution?
 * 41) *Good article on Darth Autobus! Skippy Farlstendoiro 13:42, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

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Marauder Starjacker

 * Nominated by:  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 02:43, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: The coolest starship name in all the land.

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Support
 * 1)  Clone Commander Lee  Talk 17:55, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Graestan ( Talk ) 21:27, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Thefourdotelipsis 00:41, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) G-stan:
 * 2) * Too much detail about Stonebone's actions at Bogga's estate. The article is about the ship, not Stonebone. Summarize more, like you did about Ambria.
 * 3) **Cut down a little bit.
 * 4) * First sentence in Commanders and crew is quite mundane and not really necessary. Please make it more concise.
 * 5) **Addressed.
 * 6) * Graestan ( Talk ) 04:38, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) **Thanks for the review.  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 23:52, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

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Foga Brill

 * Nominated by: -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 19:05, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments:It's Brilliant!

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Support Object
 * 1) Excellent. Xicer9 [[Image:atgar.svg|20px]]( Combadge) 02:32, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Imperialles 20:29, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Excellent.  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  00:10, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Excellent.  JangFett  (Talk) 02:05, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) Elephant. Thefourdotelipsis 09:36, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) A few things:
 * 2) * From Judicial to Warlord: "Though Brill's region technically fell under the jurisdiction of Grand Moff Gann of Sector 5, which encompassed the Prakith system" Seems a little oddly worded. You're essentially stating the same thing twice, only using different words (Brill's region; Prakith system).
 * 3) **Good point. Removed the redundant clause.
 * 4) * From Judicial to Warlord: "ignoring repeated overtures from Imperial Center" You suddenly switch from referring to the place as Coruscant to calling it Imperial Center, without introducing the term.
 * 5) **Good spot. It's consistent now.
 * 6) * Decline and mutiny: "Brill did adopt his tactics for a time" Did you mean to write "adapt"?
 * 7) **Yep, fixed.
 * 8) *Well done. --Imperialles 20:10, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) **Thank you. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 20:24, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

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Phuii

 * Nominated by: ~ SavageBob 15:35, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Part 2 of Colonies species! Special thanks to for the Fact File info on podracers. ~ SavageBob 15:35, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

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Support
 * 1) Imperialles 16:52, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) --Eyrezer 09:27, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Phuii, that was close. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:50, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4)  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  15:31, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) Thefourdotelipsis 23:14, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) A few things:
 * 2) * Intro: "One of these was Nep Chung"; "One of these was Mars Guo" Two sentences starting with the same phrase in quick succession.
 * 3) *Biology and appearance: "For example, an individual might have one major skin tone" This seems to be a tense error.
 * 4) *History: "However, their world lie beyond the regions" Typo.
 * 5) *Linking: A few instances of linking to redirects. The areas affected are BTS, Appearances and Notes and references.
 * 6) *Good read! --Imperialles 01:11, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) **Thanks for the review! Everything should be addressed. Were there any other faulty link other than the DVD one and the Star Wars: Episode I Racer one? ~ SavageBob 16:49, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) ***A couple more, but I took care of them. --Imperialles 16:52, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) Farlstendoiro and more aliens
 * 10) * Bio: "Phuii stood about 1.5 meters tall." Are you sure? Ares Nune seems to tower over the typical 6-feet clone, and Vigo Chung also seems quite tall to me.
 * 11) * The intro quote mentions "General Ares Noon". Is this a typo? A misspelling of Ares Nune? Maybe you should mention "Ares Nune, aka Ares Noon" in the body?
 * 12) * Did you check Secrets of Tatooine? I think that book listed all the movie's podracers for their (quite bad) "RPG podracing rules", so there must be something on Mars.
 * 13) *That all.Skippy Farlstendoiro 10:19, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 14) **The images are misleading as to Nune's and Chung's heights. The angle of the clone image, for instance, is such that Nune is standing further back on a sloped platform or something. It's a poorly drawn panel, really. Other images show that he is shorter than the clone. As Guo's height is the only one we know with any certainty, I've used that one. The Nune/Noon thing is fixed; that was dissonance from Cecil Noone in the Lamproid nom. :) And as for the Mars Guo stats, I've pinged you on your talk page for some help! ~ SavageBob 15:18, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 15) **Help has been received, and RPG stats have been alluded to. ~ SavageBob 01:08, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 16) Jinzler
 * 17) * A Phuii appears on p. 174 of The Clone Wars: Decide Your Destiny: Dooku's Secret Army. I've added this to the source list and I'll add the info from this source somewhen in the next few days, unless someone else does --Jinzler 17:44, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 18) **Yes, please do; it'd be much appreciated. I can't find that book anywhere! ~ SavageBob 00:59, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 19) ***Added --Jinzler 22:48, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 20) There's too much detail on Mars Guo, I think, especially since he would seemingly have very little to do with the history of the Phuii. I think a Phuii in the galaxy section would be much better for detailing the specific movements of these Phuii, since the history of the species as a whole seems rather scant. If this can just be reshuffled a bit, and perhaps a bit of the detail on Guo cut down, it's otherwise excellent. Thefourdotelipsis 15:09, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 21) *Any better? I've cut Guo info down by about a third, unless you were referring to the BTS stuff as well. Thanks for taking a look. ~ SavageBob 22:34, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 22) **Much better. Good show. Thefourdotelipsis 23:14, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * I've never heard this word before, so I'm asking: does the source specifically use "supraplanetary?"  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 23:00, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I was trying to find a word to indicate an entity made up of multiple planets. The word is used in the same sense as supranational, as seen here. If it rankles, I can change it, but I'm not sure what a good replacement would be. ~ SavageBob 01:56, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Volfe Karkko

 * Nominated by: —Tommy 9281 18:35, May 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: No soup for you!!

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Support
 * 1) Jedi Kasra (comlink) 12:46, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Couldn't you stop writing these noms that make me hungry? --Skippy Farlstendoiro 07:12, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Very nice. Hope you don't mind that adjusted the linking in your references.  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  16:44, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Superb. Thefourdotelipsis 00:02, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Just one that I see; In the section "Freedom," it states that Secura is a Padawan, yet the intro say she's a Knight. Which is it?--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 21:19, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) *Addressed. Thanks for the review, Kasra. Please advise if anything further is required. —Tommy 9281 22:25, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Karkko's inspiration of Nikkos Tyris, from Evil Never Dies, is worth a mention. That second bit on Karkko in END actually doesn't seem to be in the article; there's some stuff about Karkko's teachings too. - Lord Hydronium 07:57, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) * **Gasp** Shame on me for leaving that out, it has since been addressed. —Tommy  9281 16:11, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) ** Something about this bit too (from END): "Karkko's apocryphal teachings in which he found frequent reference to and snippets from Sith tomes". Could probably fit somewhere in the P&T. - Lord Hydronium 18:46, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) ***Addressed. Thanks for the review, Hydro. Please advise if anything further is required. —Tommy 9281 19:48, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) **** Hm, I think that's a misreading of "apocryphal". Karkko's teachings are the ones that are apocryphal, so it's not in the sense of "inauthentic", since we're told they're his teachings, but "esoteric" or "outside the canon". "Unorthodox" might be a better word. - Lord Hydronium 19:52, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) *****How's that? —Tommy 9281 22:12, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) ******"We like it very much!" - Lord Hydronium 22:26, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10) Skippy Farlstendoiro has always likened this guy to Fu Manchu
 * 11) * Following Order 66, Commander Bly was also briefed on Karkko's exploits (as Bly writes a report about Secura having been controlled by him). This could be added to the "Legacy" part.
 * 12) **I considered this and ended up thinking that is really relevant to Karkko. Moreso to Secura, but not Karkko.
 * 13) * P&A: In the quote, could you add who is Karkko talking to?
 * 14) **Addressed.
 * 15) *Skippy Farlstendoiro 08:18, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 16) **Thanks for the review, Skippy. Please advise if anything further is required. —Tommy 9281 20:12, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * While I appreciate humor, the pipelink gives a problem: The template on Karkko's page does not redirect to this section, only to the top of this (very long) page. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 15:56, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * You are absolutely correct. What a bummer. Ah well, it was fun while it lasted. —Tommy 9281 18:18, May 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * There is a way to pipelink the header and still get FAnom to work. Simply add next to the header on the same line. Also, if my subpage proposal passes, then once we convert everything to the new system, you'll be free to pipelink the header all you want as the new FAnom will link to the subpage instead of a section on the main page. &mdash;Master Jonathan(Jedi Council Chambers) 20:29, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * &hellip;Accept that that didn't work. Thanks anyway. —Tommy 9281 22:31, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * I only knew that because I also tried to make that joke. ·:( --Skippy Farlstendoiro 08:19, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Yinchorri

 * Nominated by: Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:17, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: The only species to appear in the "Major rebellion movement" Succession box. Eat your heart, Yuuzhan Vong.

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Support
 * 1) Nice work. Good to see some Marvel! ~ SavageBob 16:11, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Bing! Thefourdotelipsis 07:01, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) The Legacy 31 appearance should be noted wherever appropriate (Duursema's statement confirming it's a Yinchorri). - Lord Hydronium 06:15, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) *Like this? --Skippy Farlstendoiro 07:48, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) ** I'd separate the Duursema comment into a BTS item and keep the actual footnote to just the comic. You also might consider a note about their presence in the stormtroopers in "in the galaxy", but if you think that's too redundant, it's not necessary. - Lord Hydronium 07:53, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) ***OK. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 08:15, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) ****I tweaked the citation to the more detailed format. - Lord Hydronium 08:27, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) *****TY; I reused your format for the External Links. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 08:34, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) Prepare to be savaged...
 * 8) *I'm posting as I get a chance to read through the article, but so far:
 * 9) ** Should Ingtelligentsia be capitalized in all instances? Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't.
 * 10) ** I don't get the connection between thick skin and an arid environment. Can you elaborate?
 * 11) ** I tend to put evolutionary history into the "History" section of an article. I can understand if you prefer it the way you did it, but it might be better to say what features they have in B&A and then why they have them (evolutionarily speaking) under "History".
 * 12) ** Are you basing the comparison of how strong and tough they are in comparison to Humans on game stats? Per Leland Chee, game stats are not considered canon, so if this is your source, it should probably be moved to BTS. I don't think special abilities and aging ranges are considered game stats, so that stuff is still OK, but I would still treat such stuff broadly. For example, their resistance to the Force mind tricks is OK to talk about, but be careful about qualifying it with things that affect the will, etc. More to come. ~ SavageBob 03:12, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 13) ***Respectively: Done, done, done, and changed whenever it's simply RPG stats (but not SQ's and so, per specifics of your own objections). --Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:44, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 14) ** "decidedness and expedience" -- What do you mean here? These words aren't typically used to describe people, so perhaps synonyms should be used.
 * 15) ** I was confused about whether there is one Council of Elders for the whole planet or whether each city-state has one. Please correct my edits if I added erroneous information.
 * 16) ** I'm not sure it's worth calling out the Cathar as a monogamous species; simply state that the Yinchorri mated for life and leave it at that.
 * 17) ** Can you provide known Yinchorri pairings with non-Yinchorri? Maybe add a "for example, one Yinchorri married a Skandit" or whatever to the S&C section?
 * 18) ** "The Yinchorri also learned a job and theoretical knowledge." Can you explain this phrase? It sounds pretty standard for most sentients. More tomorrow! :) ~ SavageBob 07:06, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 19) ***Done, done, done, done, and removed as it might be seen as RPG stats. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 07:18, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 20) ** You should probably just go with the most recent source regarding the location of their homeworld, but be sure to note the discrepancy in the BTS. As it stands, it's a bit confusing.
 * 21) ** "but most planetary representatives assumed that the species would go unnoticed in the grand scheme of galaxy-wide politics." This bit is vaguely worded; is there anything more that can be said? Is the gist here simply that galactic politicians and delegates mostly ignored the Yinchorri?
 * 22) ** "interesting reports" -- Interesting to whom? Qualification will avoid POV. ~ SavageBob 17:23, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 23) ** Sidious wanting to discredit Valorum is mentioned twice in the "Yinchorri Uprising" section. Can one be removed?
 * 24) ** There seems to be a bit too much detail on some stuff that doesn't directly pertain to the Yinchorri. For example, Sidious's interest in the artifact from the Jedi Temple isn't terribly relevant, nor is Villie's equipment (his blaster, etc.), and Holmar's demand for compensation for letting Villie use his nephew (unless Holmar comes back into the story later; I haven't finished reading the History section). ~ SavageBob 19:36, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 25) ** I'm about half-way through the Yinchorri Uprising sections, and I think there are two main problems with it. First, it's way too detailed. When we're talking about the entire history of a species, a single uprising that lasted less than a year should not take up the bulk of the article. I think it might be wise to move the information to the Yinchorri uprising article and then summarize it much more lightly in this main species article. Some examples of stuff that is too detailed for a main species article are details such as a Jedi jettisoning escape pods to throw off a pair of Yinchorri attackers, say. The second issue with this section is that it is told from the Jedi point of view. This is the Yinchorri article, so I feel that it should privilege the Yinchorri's point of view. We don't necessarily need to know that Tsui Choi got honors for his role in the battle, for instance. That said, this information has a place in other articles, so I hope you move it out to the daughter pages. ~ SavageBob 17:18, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 26) ** I've scanned the rest of the history section, and these observations apply throughout that section: I'd suggest summarizing more and moving the persnickety details to sub articles.
 * 27) ** The final paragraph of "Yinchorri in the galaxy" seems more akin to "Society and culture" information than "in the galaxy" information. Suggest moving it there. ~ SavageBob 19:46, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 28) ** The notion that Stradley stopped working for Marvel for creative differences does not seem directly pertinent to the Yinchorri. Can you elaborate on why this is important to note? That's it from me! ~ SavageBob 20:43, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 29) ***Respectively: Done; little but changed; changed; done; Uprising reduce from 2200 words to 1200; history reduced more or less whenever possible; paragraph moved; partly modified (but I wanted to specify that Stradley was behind most of the appearances of the Yinchorri, so his absence meant their absence). Skippy Farlstendoiro 10:41, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 30) **How was Yinchorr "theoretically" seized by Paalpatine? Can you elaborate?
 * 31) **Can we get an article for the last surviving son of the leader of the Council of Elders of Tol-Kachorn? ~ SavageBob 20:20, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 32) ***Done & done. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:32, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 33) **** Not so fast! "Following their reports" -- Whose reports? That'll be the last bit, I swear! :) ~ SavageBob 07:32, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 34) *****Done; if wording feels awkard and you can reword it, feel free. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 07:37, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 35) A-ha!
 * 36) * "During the years of the Galactic Civil War, the Yinchorri failed to predict that Imperial agents would betray them, as exemplified by the commander and the pilot who took Leia Organa to Yinchorr." - ...what does this mean?
 * 37) **Hm. Better? If you don't like it, I can remove the whole sentence. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:46, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 38) * "Sidious sent several Yinchorri to stealth in the Jedi Temple of Coruscant, to kill Jedi children, making use of the absence of the most powerful Jedi." - What is "to stealth in"?
 * 39) **Changed. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:46, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 40) * Also, a picture of the Yinchorri stormtrooper would be nice, instead of the largely redundant picture in the BTS. Thefourdotelipsis 00:42, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 41) **Added, but the other picture was moved because I don't want it to be an orphan. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:46, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 42) ***I'm striking as it's more a matter of opinion, but I think it was more valuable to have the Marvel, and therefore original depiction of the Yinchorri in the article, rather than the largely redundant UAA image, which is basically a repeat of the AA image. Thefourdotelipsis 07:01, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * Awesome pick for an article. I'm just wondering about the opening sentence and the BtS statement. You claim that they were called the Yinchorree in the Marvel comic. Is this true? And if so, could you point out the page number? In my copy, they're still called the Yinchorri, but it's spelled "Yinchori" with only one "r". Is this perhaps from a different language version of the same comic? Cull Tremayne 07:21, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * I checked my (non-ALTA, English) issue as well, and couldn't find "Yinchorree" anywhere. --Imperialles 22:46, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're both right; I don't know where I took that spelling from. Must have been a typo of mine. Anyway, replaced. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:17, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Lamproid

 * Nominated by: ~ SavageBob 07:09, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: A face only a Shistavanen could love. ~ SavageBob 07:09, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

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Support
 * 1) Nice work. Some redirect links remain; namely the reference links to the Atlas and SWG. --Imperialles 12:55, May 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, if I wasn't married I'll consider kissing that Lamproid mouth... --Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:47, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) --Eyrezer 03:32, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Skippy is back
 * 2) * Underlinking: Pheromones (Btw, not "pheremones")
 * 3) * Bio, 4th paragraph. Can't you specify whether the caged Lamproid was a male or a female, instead of saying "it"? I seem to remember it was a female.
 * 4) * Hist, 3rd paragraph. I'm unconfortable with the use of "east" and "west" when talking about a planet's relative position. Does the OS use these terms, or are they assumed from seeing a 2-D map?
 * 5) * Same: Your wording suggest that Mon Calamari come from Mon Calamari and Quarren from Quermia. I ask you to specify that both species come from the same planet. And, btw, why did the Lamproids contacted the Calamarians and not the Quermians?
 * 6) * BtS: "Some sources do not capitalize the word lamproid"; "See, for example". Could you offer an exhaustive list of sources not capitalizing the word, instead of adding one example?
 * 7) * BtS: Hasbro did not produce simply an Ibegon action figure independently sold; it was sold as an "additional item" in a single pack with Trinto Duaba. This could (I think should) be added.
 * 8) * BtS: The Lamproid seen in Jabba's barge in Decipher's card is not really seen in Return of the Jedi; instead, it's a pasted image of Ibegon in the new background. This should be added.
 * 9) * Suggestion: The article is long enough to accept one more image.
 * 10) *Lamproids are cute. Can I get one? Please? Skippy Farlstendoiro 13:49, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11) **The pheromones, gender thing, Mon Cal/Quarren thing, sail barge thing, and illustration thing should be fixed. As for east/west/north/south, the Essential Atlas has established that these terms are kosher for describing galactic locations (presumably because it helps readers understand things, but it's in-universe too). As for the Quermians, the OS doesn't mention any encounters with them, so I can't say why, unfortunately. For the capitalization thing, I can comb through the sources again if you insist, but I didn't take notes on that way back when, and any future researching is going to have to wait quite a few weeks since I'm moving into finals! As for the action figure, I'm not convinced it's pertinent that Ibegon was released as part of a two-pack with Trinto Duaba. We usually don't even mention action figures; the only reason this one is notable is because it revealed her full anatomy for the first time. Finally, you should contact the Animal Control Division of CorSec; they may have a spare Lamproid or two. :) ~ SavageBob 04:15, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * There's some info in the history section that could probably be split off into a "Lamproids in the galaxy" section, I think. Otherwise, excellent. Thefourdotelipsis 13:35, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * There are a few redlinks left; these will be dealt with ASAP, but I need to go to bed for now... ~ SavageBob 07:09, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Shimrra Jamaane

 * Nominated by:  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:11, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: It is my pleasure to present to you Dread Lord Shimrra, Supreme Overlord of the Yuuzhan Vong.

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Support
 * 1) It is my pleasure to vote for Dread Lord Shimrra. Thou I doubt Yuuzhan Vong hierarchy has any use for democracy. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:17, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Farlstendoiro is deeply moved by this nom
 * 2) * In "The tide turns", you mention Nom Anor using the alias Yu'shaa to oppose Shimrra through the Jeedai heresy. Shimrra actively wants to kill Yu'shaa. Next thing we know about Anor (in "Dissidence and intrigue"), he has found Zonama Sekot and changed his strategy to blackmail Shimrra into an alliance with him. What ever happened to Yu'shaa? Did "Yu'shaa" simply disappear?
 * 3) **Added in a bit that hopefully clarifies it.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 23:53, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) * At the end of "The invasion begins", Shimrra has began slipping from Onimi's control. Onimi's later interventions do not mention his control on Shimrra until "Dissidence and intrigue", when Shimmra's "was completely insane, his mind twisted by Onimi's visions of power and hatred of the gods". What ever happened with him "slipping from his control"? Was he finally unable to achieve anything? Did Onimi ciment his position?
 * 5) **Onimi had already cemented himself, I'd say. The books don't really talk about this much, and I think that there's not much that can be said without going into the realm of OR. It is confirmed that regardless, by the events of TUF, Shimrra was absolutely nuts.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 23:53, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) * Shimrra is only mentioned to have hidden Anakin Solo's saber in his robes when he finally uses it, which is not a good chronological order. Please, mention this fact before (For example:	"In his private quarters with Onimi and fifteen Slayers, Shimrra waited. Shimrra had hidden in his robes the lightsaber of Anakin Solo who had died yadda yadda")
 * 7) **Changed.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 23:53, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) * "As Shimrra moved to decapitate Skywalker, the Jedi used the Force" As "Jedi" is both singular and plural, you could be talking about Skywalker using the Force, or the three Jedi (Luke and the twins) using the Force together. Please, avoid ambiguity.
 * 9) **Changed.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 23:53, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10) *P&T: "Shimrra was characterized by his (...) political skills." He lost a lot of support through the War; he isn't so good in politics IMHO.
 * 11) **Added a bit about how despite his political skills and manipulation, the others lost faith in him.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 23:53, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 12) ***I'm sorry, I don't find this edition. Where's it exactly? --Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:49, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 13) ****"Despite his ability to intimidate and manipulate others, many Yuuzhan Vong had lost confidence in Shimrra." Does that suffice? I mean, sure the Vong lost the faith in him, but the books portray him as being skilled at manipulating and intimidating others, and it was only after several years of defeats of crazy decisions by Shimrra that they lost confidence in him.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 22:41, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 14) * P&T: I know this is difficult but, how much of his personality, ruthlessness and so is a personal trait of him (or of Onimi), and how much is simply the typical behavior for a member of his species and culture? Can this be specified? Probably most Yuuzhan Vong would kill people for heresy if it was in their power, for instance.
 * 15) **Added a small bit at the beginning of P&T about how he was vicious even for a Vong.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 23:53, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 16) *If you're bored now, WP:AS could use a featured article on the Yuuzhan Vong species ·;) Skippy Farlstendoiro 10:09, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 17) **I've actually been toying with the idea of FAing the Vong, but I probably won't get around to it, just because it'd be so much work.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 13:41, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * A few notes. The old article stated that he was born on a worldship and was of the Intendant caste before becoming the Supreme Overlord. However, I could not find this info in any source, so if you know where it is, please let me know. Second, the timeline is a bit fuzzy on some things. One example of this is that we don't know if Shimrra overthrew Quoreal, then Onimi took control of him, or Onimi took control of him and then Shimrra launched his coup. I chose the latter, because I feel it is more supported by canon. We also don't know exactly when Onimi began losing control of Shimrra, but I think the date I picked is approximately right (I also tried to keep it somewhat vague). Third, we don't really know how much of Shimrra's personality is his, and how much is Onimi's. I think the way I presented it works well, in that I say "much of what he did was at Onimi's direction," then detail his actions and traits. Finally, there are some parts (particularly the first section), where I have massive amounts of context. I feel that all of that is necessary because of how complex the NJO is. It has the luxury of explaining all this info in small increments over 20 books, whereas I get one article. Some things require a lot of explaining, or readers would be confused, and although the info may at first appear to be irrelevant, I don't think it is. Simply put, the NJO is complicated. Anyway, that's it, and I hope you enjoy my nom.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:11, May 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not going to put this as an objection, but in Millennium Falcon (novel_, while remembering the Yuuzhan Vong war, Han Solo clearly calls him by the full name Shimrra Jamaane. Shouldn't his page me moved accordingly? We have Tsavong Lah of Domain Lah. Every other character page title is their full name. Why not this one? -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 00:25, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's been moved to Shimrra Jamaane. However, I still refer to him by his first name rather than his last because he never goes by "Jamaane." He's only referred to in "Shimrra Jamaane" in canon twice, IIRC; every single other mention calls him just "Shimrra." Oh, and if you dislike this, please start a conversation on my talk page rather than objecting.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:03, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

First Battle of Saleucami

 * Nominated by: Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 08:13, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Well it took me long enough.

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Support
 * 1) Pre-nom reviewed.  CC7567  (talk) 17:42, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) I read it through some time ago, and it looks wonderful. Your image use is fantastic. :) -- 1358  (Talk) 12:36, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Complete, through and through. Excellent job.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 19:48, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Great read. :)  JangFett  (Talk) 02:06, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) Execellent.  Clone Commander Lee  Talk 10:12, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Object

Comments
 * Thanks to CC for a pre-nommer. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 08:13, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Taurill

 * Nominated by: Skippy Farlstendoiro 12:32, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: They are sentient, no matter what you've heard. If Ranats were sentient, Taurills are, too.

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Object
 * 1) * Underlinking in the intro (haven't checked the body yet, though). -- 1358  (Talk) 12:35, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) **Done. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 13:02, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) * Old Republic Era is not an IU term. -- 1358  (Talk) 13:05, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) **Changed. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 13:17, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) Could you include another image in the article? I'm sure there's something even a bit related to them. -- 1358  (Talk) 15:20, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) *2 related images added. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 15:28, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) Stuff:
 * 8) *"it would probably eventually die of hunger or dehydration" Try to avoid speculation like this.
 * 9) *"Organa Solo then decided to visit Durga in Nal Hutta, as she believed that Durga knew of her suspects," Of her suspects? Do you mean of her suspicions (that the Taurill had stolen the information)?
 * 10) *"Thus, Lemelisk told Sulamar about the situation, and both of them worked to keep under control the delays caused by Taurill's short attention span." But Lemelisk was already gone, right? Should this read something like "In Lemelisk's absence, worked to keep under control the delays caused by Taurill's short attention span?"
 * 11) *"The Essential Guide to Alien Species unambiguously list the height of an adult Taurill as 120 centimeters. In Darksaber, Leia Organa Solo considers that one of those creatures has the approximate size of her forearm[2] which, analyzing archive photographs, could not have been longer than 30 centimeters." This is too OR. Try to just say it in terms of "EGAS says this, Darksaber says this." Sorry this is kinda vague, but as is, it's based on your on interpretation, not facts.
 * 12) *You've got a lot of small paragraphs. Please merge these.
 * 13) *  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 23:23, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 14) ** All done. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:51, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 15) Prepare to be savaged...
 * 16) * "similar to vermin" -- is this link explicitly made by the sources? Vermin technically refers to an animal that humans consider a nuisance or pest; does this apply to the Taurill?
 * 17) **OS says they move like vermin. Modified. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 09:29, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 18) * Based on the images, you can go into much more detail on their appearance. Things that could be mentioned include eyestalks, jagged/pointed limbs and digits, what their face looks like, what parts of the body are hairy or hairless, segmented tail with an arrow-like end, and number of digits per manipulator.
 * 19) **Better? --Skippy Farlstendoiro 09:29, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 20) * I think you should use meters rather than centimeters as the standard unit of measure, unless the sources use centimeters.
 * 21) **Changed. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 09:29, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 22) * Based on the Essential Chronology image, it appears they could survive in a vacuum (if not breath) without a pressure suit. This should probably be mentioned in the "Appearance and biology" section.
 * 23) **Mentioned in BtS; it contradicts the source. Or maybe it's a see-through pressure suit, but let's no speculate. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 09:29, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 24) * Do individual Taurill have names? It seems that at least some did. Can this be mentioned in "Society and culture"?
 * 25) **Added. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 09:29, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 26) * I'll go through the History section soon. ~ SavageBob 01:08, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 27) * One more for now: The StarWars.com source should be expanded so that that article can have a Wookieepedia article (see the Tulvaree article for how to do this). That article should be moved up to the "Sources" section, as it is an actual article, and not just an external link from which no information was taken. ~ SavageBob 01:11, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 28) **Better? --Skippy Farlstendoiro 09:29, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 29) * The history is generally fine, but some of it should probably be rewritten from the Taurill's point of view. For instance, the scene where C-3PO deduces what the Taurill did should instead be rewritten to simply say what the Taurill did. This is the article about them, after all. :)
 * 30) **Better? --Skippy Farlstendoiro 09:29, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 31) * Do the sources explicitly say that the Taurill species was wiped out when the Darksaber blew up? If not, you should probably only say that the ones that were on board the weapon died. After all, earlier, it is claimed that Durga had spread members of the species about the galaxy, right? ~ SavageBob 02:11, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 32) **Good point. Modified. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 09:29, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * 1) *Often for species with an unknown homeworld, we create articles with titles like "Unidentified [species] homeworld]". You could do that here, though I won't object for lack of such an article. ~ SavageBob 02:11, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) **Unsure about that: Their planet is unknown IU. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 09:29, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) ***The situation is similar for the Ugors and Morseerians, but I'm cool either way. ~ SavageBob 23:46, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Jabba the Hutt's Will

 * Nominated by: -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 20:21, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: You can never have enough Jedi Prince

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Support
 * 1) May your login not evaporate. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 18:01, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  StarNeptune Talk to me! 06:38, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) GoDV! Xicer9 [[Image:atgar.svg|20px]]( Combadge) 21:17, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Imperialles 00:01, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) Excellent work from Acky as usual. Graestan ( Talk ) 16:28, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Farl: If "The recording [was] entitled JTHW", shouldn't you begin the intro with "Jabba the Hutt's Will, entitled JTHW and also known as Jabba's true will and testament (as per NEGC)"? Skippy Farlstendoiro 09:20, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) *Does that look good? -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 16:27, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) If you're going to mention the marriage contradiction in the BTS, you need to make note of the Rotta contradiction too.  Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 00:34, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) *Well there's not really an explicit contradiction - we don't know what happens to Rotta and we don't know when the will was made - but I've added a brief mention. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 18:56, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) **Thanks. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 07:27, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) A few things:
 * 7) * Introduction: "Jabba's criminal empire was once against gobbled up"&mdash;isn't gobbled up a little informal?
 * 8) **Good point, changed.
 * 9) * History: "ruled an expansive, lucrative criminal empire before his death. However he was killed" This reads a little awkwardly. Both sentences establish that Jabba died, but sentence 2 seems to ignore the mention of death in sentence 1. If that makes any sense. Anyway, would it be possible to reword?
 * 10) **Done.
 * 11) * History: "but after brutal internecine conflict" Is this supposed to read "*a* brutal internecine conflict"? It might not, so I'm just asking. I'd fix it myself if I were certain!
 * 12) **Well either is grammatically correct, but as is it's presented as more of a general conflict as opposed to a clearly defined, single one, if that makes sense.
 * 13) * BTS: Maybe switch around the order in which "Hutt! Hutt! Hutt!" and NEGC are presented, to better reflect the actual chronology.
 * 14) **Done.
 * 15) *Apart from that, excellent as usual. --Imperialles 06:01, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 16) **Thank you very much. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 21:08, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * I may be mistaken, but didn't the will of Jabba also appear in The Jabba Tape? --<font color="orange" face="monotype corsiva">Borsk Fey'lya  <font color="black" face="monotype corsiva">Talk 16:49, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Right you are. Hmmm, well that complicates matters a little bit, but I'll have updated by tomorrow evening, hopefully. Thanks for pointing it out, Borsk. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 17:22, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Should be good now. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 18:56, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Grizz Frix

 * Nominated by: Thefourdotelipsis 23:24, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Already one of dem GA things.

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Support
 * 1)  Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 00:40, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Nice. --Imperialles 16:30, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) I agree! Nice. Menkooroo 02:41, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 13:36, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) Green Tentacle (Talk) 14:33, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) Graestan ( Talk ) 16:00, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) -- 1358  (Talk) 14:41, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Grand Master
 * 2) * "inspired by Angela Phillips's short story Slaying Dragons, which was included in the Tales of the Bounty Hunters anthology." Do you mean "Tales From the Empire?"
 * 3) **Gah! Brain fart. Fixed.
 * 4) * More of a question than an objection: does the source actually state that it was "bad luck" that prevented him from eventually joining Rogue Squadron? If not, that's a little speculative/POV.
 * 5) **I've changed it to "mishap."
 * 6) *Fine work. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 23:57, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) **Thanks for the review, and the linking. I'm a tad embarrassed... wrote this a long time ago, but I probably should have checked it again for links. :S Thefourdotelipsis 00:37, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) ***Haha no problem; it was very well-written overall. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 00:40, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) Just a coupla post-IRC objections...
 * 10) * Can you give context on Rogue Squadron and Mon Mothma? I realize they're linked to, but even a single extra word or two, respectively naming them as an elite starfighter group and the Alliance COS, maybe (Rogue Squadron in the intro too)?
 * 11) **Done.
 * 12) * Should the last sentence of the first paragraph of bts be sourced to his db entry? As it doesn't mention his db entry, it's not really self-sourcing. Menkooroo 01:53, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 13) **And done. Thefourdotelipsis 02:02, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

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Kurth San

 * Nominated by: Jinzler 14:55, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: A military officer

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Support
 * 1) Xicer9 [[Image:atgar.svg|20px]]( Combadge) 17:44, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Jir Tramsig now? --Skippy Farlstendoiro 10:43, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Tisk on those who missed the couple of spelling errors in their reviews! :P Graestan ( Talk ) 15:26, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4)  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  15:36, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Xicer
 * 2) * Bio: "Expecting an imminent full-scale, San devised a plan to evacuate the city&hellip;" There appears to be a word missing here. Attack? Invasion? Please fix.
 * 3) **Yup, there was a word missing, but not any more :) --Jinzler 17:39, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) * P&T: "He was also very neat in his appearance, and was admired for this." Admired by who? Does the source specify, or is it left vague?
 * 5) **Unfortunately, the source does not specify this --Jinzler 17:39, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) * Bts: "&hellip;outlines were given for how the event staff could play to roles the various non-player characters in the scenario, including San. I'm not sure what this is trying to say, can you rephrase it?
 * 7) **Rephrased, hopefully it should make more sense now --Jinzler 17:39, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) *Otherwise, great work. It's nice to see a Living Force FA. Xicer9 [[Image:atgar.svg|20px]]( Combadge) 17:00, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) **Cheers, we really should have more of these things --Jinzler 17:39, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10) Farlstendoiro likes Living Force Campaign
 * 11) * "During the event, San operated an information stand for the Thaereian military, but didn't enjoy giving information people." I think this sentence is missing at least one word somewhere.
 * 12) **Rewrote --Jinzler 10:38, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 13) * I'm not really sure about the evacuation. San wanted to evacuate both troops and civilians from Soboll, right? Or maybe there were no civilians there? Maybe he wanted to evacuate some of the civilians there?
 * 14) **Clarified --Jinzler 10:38, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 15) * History, the 4th paragraph's last sentence "He then went into his office" "He also activated". I might be dense this morning but, are you talking about San or about Tyeb?
 * 16) **Clarified --Jinzler 10:38, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 17) * When you say that San spoke Tarasinese, you might specify that it was the language of the native species of Cularin.
 * 18) **Added --Jinzler 10:38, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 19) * Do RPGA had a canon ending for Soboll? You know those "tests" at the end of the adventure, that officially apply to further supplements and so.
 * 20) **As far as I know, there isn't one. Regardless of what happens, Soboll is eventually captured by the Cularin Militia, so I have mentioned that in the article --Jinzler 10:38, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 21) * Skippy Farlstendoiro 08:04, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 22) Few things:
 * 23) * The RPG paragraph is a bit too PBP.
 * 24) **Reworded, see what you think of it now --Jinzler 17:53, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 25) * "He was also very neat in his appearance, and was admired for this." Admired by whom?
 * 26) **This was actually one of my objections further up. Jinzler already mentioned that the source doesn't specify. Xicer9 [[Image:atgar.svg|20px]]( Combadge) 01:49, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 27) *Otherwise fine.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 01:13, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 28) **Thanks for your review --Jinzler 17:53, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

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Rawk

 * Nominated by: Jedi Kasra (comlink) 13:46, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Probably one of the coolest Skywalkers, IMO&hellip;

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Support
 * 1) Damn, Skywalkers can grow awesome moustaches. Menkooroo 13:50, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  StarNeptune Talk to me! 16:30, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) -- 1358  (Talk) 12:59, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) If he isn't Sam Elliott then I don't know who is. <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 11:58, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) One quickie: Is Anakin Skywalker important enough to mention in the intro? --  1358  (Talk) 14:10, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) *It seems to be, in sources for Cade, they list Anakin and Luke as his descendants. I saw no reason not to do it in Rawk's intro.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 19:33, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Star:
 * 4) * Does the Insider article explicitly say that Skeeto is Droo's child, because from the text on the Skeeto article, I was under the impression that he was adopted by both Rawk and Droo like Micah was. Judging by the context here in the Rawk article, I'm assuming Droo adopted Skeeto before she met Rawk?
 * 5) **Fixed.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 12:26, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) *" Rawk mantained a friendship with the Shipmaster Ure'monbarak on the planet Dac, which supported his family." How did his friendship with Shipmaster Ure'monbarak support Rawk's family? Did Ure'monbarak provide Rawk with work?
 * 7) **Adjusted.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 12:26, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) * Why was Black Sun attacking Rawk's Nest? Was there a reason behind it?
 * 9) **The only reason given is something about them making Rawk paying them for protection; no other reason is given. Added this, please try it.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 12:26, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10) * "They brought her inside and she explained to the family how she had survived the massacre" I think this sentence could use a little more elaboration, as well as maybe explaining her past connection to Cade and a brief explanation of why she was after Cade.
 * 11) **It's done, though I'm still not sure this belongs here. I don't necessarily feel this kind of info is relevant to the article, but it's your call.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 12:26, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 12) ***You may be right, but I feel it may help clarify later events, especially why Rawk and Droo would want to save Rae based on her connection to Cade.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 16:30, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 13) * "...when Fel explained that Rae was an Imperial Knight, Cade tried to attack them" Okay, Cade just found out that Azlyn Rae is an Imperial Knight, but why did he try to attack the other Knights?
 * 14) **Again, it's added, but I'm still not entirely sure it's relevant.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 12:26, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 15) * "Rawk bid his nephew farewell as Cade, his crew, Shado Vao, Rae, Draco, and Krieg departed to carry out the plan regardless." Okay, Cade was just attempting to attack the Imperial Knights, and now they are going on a mission with him? I'm confuzzled.
 * 16) **Taken care of, I believe.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 12:26, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 17) * "Aware that Cade had lied about Rae wanting to live, gave Rae to Droo, and Rawk promised Cade to do whatever it took to save Rae." Maybe make a mention here that Droo asked him if Rae said she wanted to live, and he lied and said yes.
 * 18) **Added to the first paragraph.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 12:26, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 19) *Okay, I think that is all.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 17:22, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * 20) **Thanks for the review, Star!--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 12:26, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 21) ***You're welcome :D  StarNeptune Talk to me! 16:30, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 22) QGJ
 * 23) *In the first couple of paragraphs of the "Early life" section, could you use Nat instead of Skywalker to avoid confusion with Kol?
 * 24) **Done.-- 17:38, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 25) *Since he is no longer affiliated with the Jedi, I believe you should use the GFFA character infobox instead of the current one.
 * 26) **Done.-- 17:38, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 27) *Otherwise, quite good. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 10:48, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 28) **Thanks for the review, QuiGon!-- 17:38, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 29) Just one: "The two attacked each other, but quickly managed to calm down." The second part seems to me to be a rather odd way of phrasing it. If they were fighting, why would they bother trying (managed) to calm down? <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 17:27, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 30) *In the comic, after Rawk berates Cade, he punches Rawk once. Rawk does likewise, then Rawk tells the family that they'd sort it out in the morning; hence the "quickly managed to calm down" part.-- 23:15, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 31) **Oh, thanks for the review!-- 03:52, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 32) ***No worries :P <font face="Agency FB" size="3"> NAYAYEN : TALK 11:58, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * Thanks to for a pre-nom review.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 13:46, May 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * And let's not forget, Rawk&mdash;like Antares Draco&mdash;punched Cade Skywalker in the kriffin' face!-- 03:09, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Tholme

 * Nominated by: Thefourdotelipsis 13:26, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: So, what you're telling me, is that the single most badass image on Wookieepedia could be on the front page again? Sold.
 * Apparently this is not the case. Y'all suck as a result. Thefourdotelipsis 07:52, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

(1 Inqs/2 Users/3 Total)
Support
 * 1)  StarNeptune Talk to me! 07:47, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) --  Darth Culator  (Talk) 15:12, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) "Excellent!", Farl Watson cried. "Elementary." said Fourdot Tholmes. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 13:54, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Star:
 * 2) * "Vos was subsequently dispatched by the Council to Kiffex, to investigate a massacre of a security compound, at the insistence of his aunt Tinté." That sentence reads a little awkwardly to me.
 * 3) **Tweaked.
 * 4) *" He provided Mace Windu with intelligence about a group of Jedi who were conscientious objectors to the war, and refused to return to Coruscant to take up arms. Acting on this, Windu journeyed to Ruul to settle the matter..." Maybe add that the group of dissident Jedi have gathered on Ruul in order to clarify why Windu is going there. :) Oh, and did Tholme refuse to take up arms as well, because that is how the sentence read to me.
 * 5) **Tweaked.
 * 6) * "Vos eventually returned to the Republic, and explained Tholme's plan to the rest of the Jedi, and with that the necessity for the secrecy over the past years." Maybe reword this a bit?
 * 7) **Reworded.
 * 8) * "Despite the fact that Tholme was a firm believer in the old ways of the Jedi, as noted by Count Dooku during their duel on Bakura." This appears to be an incomplete sentence.
 * 9) **Silly me. Fixed.
 * 10) * Not an objection per se, as I don't exactly know what policy is for this, but shouldn't Tholme's infobox say that he died after "some time after 19 BBY", sourced to the Legacy comic?
 * 11) **Well, he might have died in 19 BBY itself... originally it said "Before 137 BBY," but that seems a bit... obvious. I could work it so it's "19 BBY or sometime after," which do you think would work best?
 * 12) ***I agree that it does seem obvious. I perused some articles on the wiki for any precedents for this situation. The Luke Skywalker article has "Unknown, between 44 ABY and 137 ABY", which seems to be a good way of doing it.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 06:56, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 13) ****People are allergic to the word "Unknown" round these here parts, but I did the rest. Thefourdotelipsis 07:20, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 14) *****It's all good.
 * 15) *And I'm out.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 15:40, May 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 16) **Thanks for the review. Good to see you back, Star. Thefourdotelipsis 01:22, May 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * 17) Farlstendoiro: Elementary
 * 18) * Underlinking. Blood, death, prisoner, day, Padawan, bacta, droid/security droid, ship, flagship... Please review the whole article.
 * 19) **I believe I have addressed this. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 14:56, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 20) ***At least you've address it to my satisfaction. Didn't know you were working together for this nom. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 15:08, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 21) ****Not as such, no. He just asked me to check the linking and I happened to have nothing better to do. :-P --   Darth Culator  (Talk) 15:12, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 22) *****I was already in my pyjamas anyway. Thefourdotelipsis 15:15, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 23) * Bio/Jedi Watchman: Context: What are the "Anzati arts"? Something deserving an article? Traditional music and architecture in the Anzati culture? Something related to the Jedi?
 * 24) **Contextified. Thefourdotelipsis
 * 25) * Also: "In addition to those talents, he became proficient at espionage and stealth". This is ambiguous: Did Akku Seii train Tholme at this, or did Tholme learned from other people?
 * 26) **It is deliberately ambiguous, as we do not know if it was specifically from Sei's training. However, much like in the source itself, the implication is there. Thefourdotelipsis
 * 27) * Context on Katichak. He was a murderer or something, that would be enough.
 * 28) **Contextified. Thefourdotelipsis
 * 29) * "For some reason, knowledge of Vos's high..." Could you reword "For some reason"? After all, you are not giving information with those words, and it sounds un-encyclopedic to me.
 * 30) **Axed. Thefourdotelipsis
 * 31) * The intro says that Tholme specifically resigned as Watchman to train Quinlan; the bio says that he instructed Quinlan and that he resigned as Watchman, in a not neccessarily related move that might have taken place years after starting Quinlan's training. Which one is it?
 * 32) **Fixed. Thefourdotelipsis
 * 33) * "She made a deal with the Anzati who had come to Kiffex in search of the legendary Dark Jedi Volfe Karkko." You have not mentioned these Anzati before. Suggestion: "with a group of Anzati."
 * 34) **Changed. Thefourdotelipsis
 * 35) * Bio/The training. Could you give some context to the opening quote?
 * 36) **Done. Thefourdotelipsis
 * 37) * 2nd paragraph of "The training". You assume the reader is familiar with the relation between Clan Secura and Ryloth. Please give more context.
 * 38) **Contextified. Thefourdotelipsis
 * 39) * "the Stark Jedi operations." I don't get it. Did Stark collaborate with the Jedi?
 * 40) **Changed. Thefourdotelipsis 12:22, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 41) *More to come. Skippy Farlstendoiro 11:55, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 42) One minor thing: "Fortunately for Tholme and T'ra Saa, Order 66, in which Jedi across the galaxy were gunned down by their Clone troopers, went through while they were on Nar Shaddaa, meeting up with Vos's lover, Hentz." Without taking some effort to parse it, this reads as if Order 66 was fortunate for them. Maybe rearrange it just a bit? --  Darth Culator  (Talk) 14:56, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 43) *Tweaked. Thefourdotelipsis 15:09, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 44) Farl is back, with more context and reword requests. You know, 'coz I could find nothing else to object.
 * 45) * 1st-mention context for Mace Windu & Sora Bulq ("Jedi Masters" would be enough)
 * 46) **Done. Thefourdotelipsis
 * 47) * Bio/The Training: "fill the gaps" sounds awfully un-encyclopedic.
 * 48) **Which is why it's in quotation marks. It's the wording used by the characters, since Tholme's training of Secura is a bit more informal than the norm. Thefourdotelipsis
 * 49) * "Fenn was planning to have Lon's son, Nat Secura, kidnapped in exchange for clemency." I understood this as Fenn saying "If you show me mercy, then as a payment, I will abduct Nat." You mean exactly the opposite. Please, reword.
 * 50) **I can't quite get me head around this one. Isn't it exactly the same thing? He will kidnap Nat if he is given clemency? Thefourdotelipsis
 * 51) ***I think Fenn will kidnap Nat and then will blackmail Lon to get clemency for himself (for Fenn). The current way, it seems that Fenn negotiates with Lon and intends to kidnap Nat to gain Lon's sympathy, as if Nat's kidnapping was something that Lon wanted. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 13:44, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 52) ****Ah, gotcha. Is it now reworded to your satisfaction? Thefourdotelipsis 13:48, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 53) * Same paragraph, ends with Secura realizing. Following sentence starts with Tholme realizing. Use a synonim for one.
 * 54) **Fixed. Thefourdotelipsis 13:38, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 55) * You mention "dragging the boy away", but you have not specified that Nat was a boy - only that he was Lon's son. Add that information somewhere.
 * 56) **Done. Thefourdotelipsis
 * 57) * "One Morgukai was killed by Vos, the other supposedly dispatched by Secura" You probably can say which Morgukai was killed by whom.
 * 58) **Fixed. Thefourdotelipsis 13:38, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 59) * "What would occur, however, was quite the opposite.[7]" While I appreciate you easeing the reading with figures, I still must appeal to NPOV.
 * 60) **Axed. Thefourdotelipsis
 * 61) * Please considered using The Dark Woman's real name; and say that she and Fisto were Jedi Masters on 1st mention.
 * 62) **Amended. Thefourdotelipsis
 * 63) * Context for the 327th Star Corps. Clone troops, I guess. Please note: at this point you have not even mentioned that the Clone Wars included Jedi leading clone troops.
 * 64) **Fixed. Thefourdotelipsis
 * 65) * "Tholme and T'ra Saa were able to escape Order 66, in which Jedi across the galaxy were gunned down by their Clone troopers, while they were on Nar Shaddaa, meeting up with Vos's lover, Hentz." Who were on Nar Shaddaa? Tholme and Saa? The Clone troopers? The Jedi across the galaxy? Why do you say "Clone troopers" with a Capital C? Oh, so many unanswered questions?
 * 66) **Fixed. Thefourdotelipsis
 * 67) * Context for Korto on his 1st mention.
 * 68) **Done. Thefourdotelipsis 13:38, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 69) *Skippy Farlstendoiro 12:47, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * FFA. I believe I've addressed the Inq's concerns with it that were cited in its removal. Thefourdotelipsis 13:26, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Bultar Swan

 * Nominated by: Menkooroo 01:45, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Movie character.

(1 Inqs/2 Users/3 Total)
Support
 * 1) Pre-nom reviewed.-- 02:39, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) I am quite turbed with this article.  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 00:09, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Quack! --Skippy Farlstendoiro 07:53, May 27, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) IFYLOFD:
 * 2) * Intro: "Eight Jedi attended the conclave, but Potkin had leaked intelligence of the meeting to Darth Vader," Why would Potkin do this? Please clarify. Also, I would add a little nugget about how Vader was once Anakin, since Anakin is mentioned previously in the intro.
 * 3) **Reorganized a little bit and info added.
 * 4) * Intro: "When Swan refused to kill her unarmed opponent, her fellow Jedi Koffi Arana seized her lightsaber and stabbed her with the weapon, betraying her and ending her life." Why would Arana betray her? Clarify.
 * 5) **Clarified!
 * 6) * Quote for Early life and Jedi training section?
 * 7) **I couldn't find anything. All the info in that section is from quoteless sourcebooks, and Swan doesn't talk about her training in any later dialogue. Unless Plo Koon has ever said anything like "I have trained many Jedi...", I think I'm stymied.
 * 8) * "After its crew had notified Fondorian authorities about their discovery, the patrol ship had disappeared, and both Fondor and its moon Nallastia were claiming salvage rights to the Sun Runner." Rewrite this sentence: the tense is all off here, making the sentence difficult to understand.
 * 9) **Rewritten!
 * 10) * Please add context on the Ripoblus and Dimok.
 * 11) **Done. I actually thought they were races, not planets. Thank you for that.
 * 12) * You mention A'Sharad Hett as a Jedi Master; perhaps you are thinking of Sharad Hett? I don't recall A'Sharad ever being a Master.
 * 13) **Ah, good call. It's definitely A'Sharad, so I just removed the word "Master".
 * 14) *That's all. Not bad.  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 03:31, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 15) **Thanks! I find your surplus of faith turbing.
 * 16) ** ... If you can be disturbed and perturbed, surely you can just be turbed? Menkooroo 05:03, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 17) ***Never heard it, but I'll be sure to use it more in my everyday vocabulary. :P  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 00:09, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 18) ***It's like being gruntled. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 00:19, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 19) Farlstendoiro
 * 20) * Context on A'Sharad on his first mention ("Jedi General" would suffice)
 * 21) **Blam!
 * 22) * "She [Potkin] had invited Darth Vader to the meeting". It sounds as if she called Darth at Coruscant and asked for him to assist. However, IIRC, she lured Vader, as you explain just after saying that.
 * 23) **"Hello, Vader? Yeah, it's Potkin. ... Oh, I'm a Jedi. Hey, hey. HEY. Hey, calm down. Now, that's just plain rude. I think you owe me an apology. ... There, that's better. ... Oh, not too bad. Just letting you know that some Jedi are gathering on Kessel. ... Yeah, Obi-Wan gon' be there. ... Well of course you're invited! ... Yes, you can bring your lightsaber. ... Eight o'clock? Sounds great. See ya." But seriously, changed 'invited' to 'lured'. Menkooroo 00:47, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 24) *Skippy Farlstendoiro 14:19, May 26, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * Thank you to a lot of people for a lot of sources. Menkooroo 01:45, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Arden Lyn

 * Nominated by: Thefourdotelipsis 04:12, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Fresh out of the GAN oven.

(2 Inqs/3 Users/5 Total)
Support
 * 1) Voted for it when it was a GAN. Xicer9 [[Image:atgar.svg|20px]]( Combadge) 04:22, May 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 00:44, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)  01:28, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) GAN reviewed. --Eyrezer 06:04, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) -- 1358  (Talk) 19:01, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

Object

Comments

Variise

 * Nominated by: Xicer9 [[Image:atgar.svg|20px]]( Combadge) 18:22, May 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Hooray for AJs.

(1 Inqs/3 Users/4 Total)
Support
 * 1) Poor girl, she's named after varicose veins. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 17:01, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2)  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 00:37, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Excellent work; an enjoyable read. Graestan ( Talk ) 20:12, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * AJs, yay! --Imperialles 14:05, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Farl
 * 2) * "allowing to Variise surprise the thief " I think there's something wrong with the sentence including this string, probably with this string specifically.
 * 3) **Reworded.
 * 4) * BTS: Ward's picture shows the woman's face half-covered by the shadow of her hood, so that she could or could not have Variise's facial tattoo. However, the miniature clearly lacks the tattoo, meaning that while Ward's picture has been retconned as Variise, the miniature has not. Should this be specified?
 * 5) **I've made a mention of it.
 * 6) *Hooray for black-clad, whip-holding, commanding, attractive girls! Uh, don't get me wrong, I'm talking about Mystrils. Skippy Farlstendoiro 07:51, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) **Whatever you want to call them. ;) Thanks for the review! Xicer9 [[Image:atgar.svg|20px]]( Combadge) 16:54, May 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) IFYLOFD:
 * 9) *<S>Please add some indication of the timeframe in the first couple sentences of the intro (i.e. when she was the Moff's bodyguard)
 * 10) **The source gives no indication of when or for how long she Caerbellak's bodyguard.
 * 11) * "In the middle of the parade, the pilot of one of the All Terrain Armored Transports in formation identified himself as the very thief who stole the prototype, Sienn Sconn." This sentence could be reworded to make it clearer that Sconn is the thief, not the prototype.
 * 12) **Reworded.
 * 13) * Quote for early life section?
 * 14) **There's no dialogue relating to that section.
 * 15) * Rydonni Prime affair section: "Responsible for the Moff's safety," This is redundant, as you repeatedly mention that she is responsible for his safety earlier in the body.
 * 16) **Removed.
 * 17) *<S>"As Caerbellak continued threatening K'ntarr's life, one of the parading walkers stopped and the pilot identified himself as the very thief that stole the prototype, who in actuality was Sienn Sconn." Again, it could be clearer that Sconn is the thief and not the prototype.
 * 18) **Reworded.
 * 19) *That's all.  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 01:08, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 20) **Thanks. Xicer9 [[Image:atgar.svg|20px]]( Combadge) 01:36, May 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 21) Fight's a bit too play-by-play. Perhaps some summarization is in order.  Graestan ( Talk ) 04:27, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 22) *Summarized, tell me how it looks. Xicer9 [[Image:atgar.svg|20px]]( Combadge) 19:13, May 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 23) A few things:
 * 24) * Intro: Could you cut down the detail surrounding her fight with Sconn just a tad?
 * 25) *BTS: "This image was also used as the basis for a Mistryl Shadow Guard miniature" Is there a source actually stating this, or is it OR?
 * 26) *Images: Would it be feasible to swap File:MistrylShadowGuard.JPG and File:Unit718-A.jpg around? The latter is a big help in clarifying the Sconn incident.
 * 27) *Solid as usual. Rydonni Prime next? --Imperialles 11:04, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Comments

Ord Antalaha

 * Nominated by: Xicer9 [[Image:atgar.svg|20px]]( Combadge) 04:38, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: First planet nom, yay!

(1 Inqs/3 Users/4 Total)
Support
 * 1) Ord voting. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 14:52, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * L-8, check! Marvelous! --Imperialles 14:54, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) WookieeProject Ordnance/Regional Depots continues! Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 19:23, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Graestan ( Talk ) 20:55, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) One minor thing: in the Inhabitants section, first paragraph&mdash;could you give specific sources for the establishment and dissolution of the Rebel Alliance? The current reference doesn't list where the information is from. --Imperialles 09:40, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) *Done. Xicer9 [[Image:atgar.svg|20px]]( Combadge) 14:49, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Ord Farlstendoiro
 * 4) * "Ord Antalaha's inhabitants numbered around 150,000, although the accuracy of this number was in question" I don't get it. Either it was so, or it wasn't. Maybe it should be reworded to say that 150,000 was an official census or an estimate by someone?
 * 5) **Heh, the source literally puts a question mark next to that number under the population listing in one of those little WEG planet infoboxes. I've reworded it to make the number sound less certain.
 * 6) * "any ships larger than a CR90 corvette" You mean width, lenght...? You could also provide a specific number for that (We know how wide is a CR90).
 * 7) **No clue, the source just says anything "bigger" so I'm not sure what numbers I could use.
 * 8) * "This is further reinforced by the planet's entry in The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia." How is it reinforced? Does the Encyclopedia say that Ord Antalaha was discovered in 8 BBY, or that it was discovered soon after the end of the Clone Wars, or what?
 * 9) **Whoops, clarified.
 * 10) *Good job. Skippy Farlstendoiro 09:41, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11) **Thank you once again for the thorough review! Xicer9 [[Image:atgar.svg|20px]]( Combadge) 14:49, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Comments

Tyro Caladian

 * Nominated by: Skippy Farlstendoiro 16:53, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: The journey begins. So go.

(0 Inqs/0 Users/0 Total)
Support

Object
 * 1) Lee attacks
 * 2) *Place of death is missing in the infobox.
 * 3) **Added. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 08:34, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) *Underlinking in the intro. (death, Jedi)
 * 5) **If I may butt in, this an easy, Lee.  JangFett  (Talk) 17:25, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) ***I believe I have fixed this during my intro copyedit. -- 1358  (Talk) 17:41, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) ***Anyway, pending expansion of the intro. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 08:34, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) *Do we really need to source the chapters instead of the novels alone ?
 * 9) **Not strictly needed, but neither forbidden. As the character appears sporadically, I think it's better if the exact point is specified. Same rationale as mentioning the exact point of The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 08:34, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10) *Sexes is missing in intro and bio.
 * 11) **Added. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 08:34, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 12) *Caladian researched any known illegal activity of Sauro from 21 BBY Sure you mean 21 BBY ?
 * 13) **Good catch. Typo. Changed. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 08:34, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 14) *All from me.  Clone Commander Lee  Talk 17:13, May 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * 15) **Thank you for your review. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 08:34, June 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 16) Before I read through it thoroughly, could you expand the intro a bit? -- 1358  (Talk) 17:41, May 31, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * Thanks to Axims for the Encyclopedia info.