Talk:B1 battle droid/Legends

link titleThe Battle Droids and the Phase II Clone troopers are the Imperial Stormtroopers of the prequel trilogy. -- Eddyward Telerionus 18:52, 6 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * And... ? – Aidje talk 19:59, 6 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * See Talk:Revan, Aidje. --Imp 20:30, 6 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I see. Apparently we like similarities... – Aidje talk 04:17, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Split it!
This article should be split in two. The B1 model refers ONLY to the non-colored infantry droid. The colored specialists, which have more intelligence and independence, are known as OOM droids, a separate model, and should have a separate article. Note that both Arms & Equipment Guide and the WOTC official site indicate the security, pilots, and officers (red, blue, and yellow) are all programmed variants of the OOM model. The droid marine probably is as well.JustinGann 10:59, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * This article does not need to be split. They were all B-1 battle droids, no matter what color. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:53, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * But we have individual articles for many other varients of weapons and droids. Why can't there be an OOM article? -- Riffsyphon1024 21:27, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * An OOM article, yes, but we don't have to split the article. They were are B-1s. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:30, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Nebulax, can you provide proof they are all B1s--that any save the infantry standard are B1s? I can provide proof they are not.  Arms & Equipment guide first indicated that the pilots, officers, and security were OOM models (with separate stats from B1s) and this was reconfirmed by Artificial Armies.
 * You mean you're getting stats from Wizards of the Coast? Come on, already. And plus, they are all variants of the B-1 model. I said that an OOM article would be fine, but they are obviously all variants of the B-1. I never said they were all the same, as they were obviously not. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:58, 9 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * WOTC is canon unless trumped by something. And they are not "obviously" all variants of the B1 model.  while physically similar, the OOM line is more independent, more intelligent, and more sophisiticated as far as internal programming goes.  They are SIMILAR to B1s, but not B1s.  In fact, the OOM line predates the B1 line by many years.  Note CoD, in which it is explained that the B1 was new as of 33 BBY, and was basically a dumb-downed version of the OOM.  This is the canon evidence, and unless you have some contradictory canon evidence other than what you feel is obvious, should be reflected on WIKI. ;) JustinGann 22:56, 9 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, if it's canon, then we should have an OOM article. But at least keep the majority of this article the same. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:02, 9 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, is there going to be an OOM command droid, OOM security droid, and OOM pilot droid or not? Admiral J. Nebulax 15:46, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Gray B-1?
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1954/grayb18ve.jpg
 * It's probably just a blur because the droid was running when the picture was taken. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:13, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Pic?
Can we not get a better pic? We need one showing standard infantry droids, not security droids.
 * Not really; a B-1 battle droid is a B-1 battle droid. Yes, some were used as commanders, security officers, pilots, etc., but they all have the basic features. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:11, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I know they are all B-1s. We just need a more...generalized pic.
 * How do we upload pictures? I could upload several high-res pics showing each type of droid, or a low-res showing the first four, and another showing the marine.
 * Under toolbox, click upload file, and follow the directions. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:47, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you.
 * No problem. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Compact Droid Storage
Exactly what is the size of a B1 when folded for compact storage? I assume it must be roughly one cubic meter, because I've seen people stating that Core Ships can hold 66 million of these creatures, and the only reference I can find is the 66 million cubic meter cargo hold. Which leads me to wonder why the massively larger full Lucrehulks Battleship would only carry some 229,000 going by the number of C9979 Landing Ships they carry.
 * Episode I Incredible Cross-Sections might state the size when they're in storage. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:53, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't believe that particular book does, at least I haven't been able to locate that information between its covers.--66.188.62.225 19:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Too bad. It would have been helpful. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:26, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Red Battle droids in AOTC
In AOTC, the B-1s on a Geonosis have a red tint to their bodies. This red tint also appears on a great deal of AOTC's merchandise. Should this be incorporated into the article?
 * I believe this article used to state they were used for desert terrain warfare. Since it has been removed, I believe that was fanon and that their peculiar colouring was given to all droids produced from the Geonosis factories.
 * I believe the red color was due to the minerals used to make the B-1s on Geonosis. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 10:55, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Marine?
The marines are from BF2, and are not neccasarily canon.
 * Wrong. Droid marines are canon. The games go against canon; that doesn't mean everything in them is not canon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Designation
Is the designation "B1" or "B-1"? I can't actually find the source of that designation - it doesn't appear in the films, scripts or Visual Dictionaries. CUSWE lists it as "B1", and the contents of the New Essential Guide to Droids, as posted on this Wiki, also call it "B1" (though that may be an error on the part of whoever posted it here; I don't yet have the book, so I can't check). I'll try and find the first use of the designation. If it needs to be changed, it would also affect B-2 battle droid and B-3 ultra battle droid - Kwenn 07:41, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll be getting the book by Monday, so I'll check it then. But, despite the fact that I'd prefer the "-" in there, there is the matter of the cortosis battle droid's designation apparently from the book: "C-B3 cortosis battle droid". "C" must stand for cortosis, but we're left with "B3", clearly showing that there were two types of the B3 or B-3. If TNEGtD says B1, B2, and B3, then we'll have to use those instead. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Personalities

 * Did anyone notice that in Episode III, B1 and B2 units seemed to have formed personalities. The B1 that handed Anakin and Obi-wan's lightsabers to Grievous says "you're welcome" sarcastically. The two B2s in the Invisible Hand's hanger show a dislike of astromech droids. Could this just be some quirk in the central control computer?--4.156.51.249 03:56, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It's hard to say, but its likely they were upgraded with intelligence. -- Riffsyphon1024 04:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * They don't appear to be that much smarter. Actually, I think I may have a good explanation. B2 units were not controlled by a central control computer and that B1 unit may have been a commander, which would have intelligence apart from the central control computer.--Darth Oblivion 04:36, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Take it with a grain of salt. Droids were never meant to be smarted than sentient beings. ;) -- Riffsyphon1024 04:53, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I think there are some droids smarter than sentients though. I guess it depends on the type of intelligence you are reffering to.--Darth Oblivion 04:59, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, the Separatist Droid Army wasn't controlled by a central control computer at all. The closest things was the deactivation signal sent from Mustafar. Anyway, I don't think intelligence has any role in this. Being around organic commanders might have been a strong factor. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:11, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * And going without a memory wipe for a long time is supposed to make droids shift away from their primary programming and develop personality quirks. R2-D2 is living (well, not-living) proof. These droids could have been around since pre-Battle of Naboo, and have developed a personality - Kwenn 16:12, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Camo Battle Droids?
http://starwars.com/community/event/con/f20060718/20060718_picview_hasbro/img/17.jpg --Rune Haako 15:54, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The color is probably different because they didn't want to sell the same AotC-style battle droids. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 16:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah but are they canon like the Neimoidian Warrior Commander since it was just a repaint also?--Rune Haako 17:02, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't doubt that some battle droids were painted differently. But I don't think it deserves a mention here or on any article. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:04, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. :)--Rune Haako 17:05, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, maybe a mention in the "Color" section here. Something like "Some B1 units were painted with different colors to blend into an enviroment". Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:10, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Those are still too shiny to be camoflauged well. Oh well. &mdash; Aiddat (Holonet) (Contribs Log) [[Image:NewRepublic.png|20px]] 12:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not like the CIS expects them to survive every battle. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * True. They look okay though. The camo ones in Battlefront 2 looked good, too &mdash; Aiddat (Holonet) (Contribs Log) [[Image:NewRepublic.png|20px]] 12:36, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I suppose so. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:39, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Gungan Resemblance?


From this photo, doesn't it seem that Gungans and the B-1 Battle Droids look similar? It could be just me, but the long face, the long neck, the "pegs" on the back of the Battle Droid's head, and of course the joints and such. I'm not sure if it could be mentioned in the entry(not without listing countless other species), but I would at least guess the Droids might look to the Gungans like corpses as well.--RogueJedi86 18:18, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, one thing's for sure: B1 battle droids weren't designed to look like Gungans. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:01, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree about the face and joints but the rest looks quite different to me. Malak501 06:14, 09 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it was Patricia C. Wrede's junior novelisation of TPM that said that the Battle Droids resembled a Gungan skeleton...or was it a Neimodian skeleton? .  .  .  .  00:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Republic Commando Battle Droid
These is a version of the B1 Battle Droid that appears in Republic Commando that lloks different. Does anybody know why this is? it has odd rings around its 'eyes' and some colouring is changed. Should this be incorporated into the article? Here is the image (and yes, it is definitely different):
 * Isn't that just a type of Geonosisan soldier? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:25, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Erm... Don't think so. I mean, it's definitely a Battle Droid and not a Geonosian, and I seem to remember coming across an article in one of the designer diaries stating that they wanted to make the B1s look different for RC. I have a picture... somewhere...
 * Well, it would be very helpful. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:30, 18 September 2006 (UTC)



CommanderJB 10:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah. Well, since B2 is already taken, this is probably just a specialized variant. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd chalk it up to simply being the artistic license of the game. The website specifically identifies them as the regular infantry of the Trade Federation, so they're not anything really special. -LtNOWIS 22:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)