Talk:Vengeance (Vengeance-class)

Vengeance as part of Black Sword Command
I don't see why the Vengeance should be a part of the Black Fleet. The Black Sword Command seems to be something like an oversector fleet, since it defended three sectors as far as I remember. Why should Vengeance be part of an oversector fleet, while Jerec takes this ship as his private ship everywhere in the galaxy where he wants to. For me it seems more like an independent task force like Death Squadron. In the text it is mentioned that Vengeance could be one of the two unknown SSDs of the Black Fleet. In the book it is written that most of these ships were under construction or planned, the two unknown SSDs might have not existed when the Yevethans captured the Black Fleet. But besides this, we only know a very small part of the Imperial Fleet, it is possible that under the 25.000 Star Destroyers build by the Empire are more than dozens of SSDs, perhaps even hundreds. So why should Vengeance be part of the Black Fleet? Fleetadmiral Jack Ryan 10:40, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * It could have originally been part of the Black Fleet, but then Jerec could have made it his flagship and removed it from Black Sword Command. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 14:53, 12 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Of course it could have been... but are there any canon information about this besides that the Black Fleet is supposed to have two unknown SSDs? Because without, the chance that it has not been part of the fleet would be far greater. And even if it would have been part of the Black Fleet, Jerec commanded the ship since it was build in 3ABY. By the time the document on the Black Fleet was created, just before the loss of the ISD Gnisnal, the Vengeance would have already been removed from the fleet, because by the time Gnisnal was destroyed, Jerec used it already outside of the imperial command structure. You see what I mean? Without any information we should perhaps better move this from the article itself to the behind the scenes part, as fanon speculation, or delete it. Fleetadmiral Jack Ryan 22:43, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I really don't see any reason to remove it from the main part of the article. It's clear that it's only a possibility, after all. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 00:18, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * But someone with a wookieepedia background like yours should know that only canon sources count, do we have a canon source which says it is possibly from the black fleet? Because everything else except canon would be fanon and has has nothing to do with wookieepedia. right? The same with Vengeance being possibly at Byss in 10 ABY...Fleetadmiral Jack Ryan 06:41, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Possibilities don't need sources. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 11:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok thanks for índirectly saying what is right. If a possibility needs no sources as you say, it is not canon, because a canon information needs a source. Therefore it has nothing to do in the text. I'll move it to the behind the scenes part as a possibility / fanon fantasy... Fleetadmiral Jack Ryan 16:32, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * And, as a rarely discussed fanon fantasy, I'm removing it outright as non-notable. jSarek 18:57, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Jack Ryan: Have you ever heard of "conjecture"? Obviously not. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 19:31, 14 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well i heard of it, and you ever heard of "scientific work"? without a source it is not canon. So stop editing the stuff back in...give us a source for the information you claim, or just stop it. For all things in the text we need sources. if you don't believe me, inform yourself about the definition of the word canon... "conjecture" has nothing to do with it... you have to proof the stuff you say... Fleetadmiral Jack Ryan 19:47, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The part on Vengeance possibly being above Byss is fine. Leave it where it is. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:00, 14 May 2007 (UTC)