Talk:Rakata

Which tribe did Revan support canonically? --User:SFH
 * The priests, whatever they were called. The canon is that Revan exclusively did "light side" actions. --Imp 18:45, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * They were called the elders.--Dumac 22:56, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Rejoining the galaxy
"However, almost no one they came across believed their stories about the Infinite Empire or their invention of the Hyperdrive. Most people consider them jokers or charlatans." - Where does this info come from? Kuralyov 19:09, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * This is an old question, but for anyone else curious about this, it's from an item in KOTOR II called the "Rakatan band", describing them as a race of liars who claimed responsibility for every major development in the galaxy. - Lord Hydronium 00:31, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Exactly where does it say the Rakata are the "elders" from Naboo? Notice that all the elder statues look more human? http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/8005/jakatanband3rh.th.jpg--Sentry 01:37, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Nowhere. This is just an additional comment. Btw the statues are indeed human, however the Elders themselves are reptilian. See the article. MoffRebus 00:30, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * What? Since when has the appearance of the Elders from Naboo been stated? If anything, they are humanoid. (Actually, the statues look Chalactan, but that's another thing altogether....QuentinGeorge 00:49, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * i don't know, the article says so, originally it was stated in Naboo article. The sources can be any one of these: The Phantom Menace Visual Dictionary, Inside the Worlds of Star Wars Episode I, A Guide To the Star Wars Universe or Secrets of Naboo MoffRebus 01:28, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Just one question: doesn't the KotOR II remark mean that the Rakatan weren't the rulers of the Infinite Empire after all? Do we know for sure that they were anything more than a race of slaves who took control of Rakata Prime and claimed its ruins for their own? And is it just me who wonders if they're related to the Gungans...? --McEwok 15:05, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * According to the New Essential Chronology the Rakata were the founders and rulers of the Infinite Empire. What remark are you referring to?--Sentry 23:05, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The remarks associated with the object called the "Rakatan Band" in KotOR II - it's apparently a visor that helps you see through the pretentions of a race of liars and decievers who claimed to have founded Galactic civilization; maybe it's humans, rather than the Rakata, that it's referring to - but the New Essential Chronology is in-universe, as well, and doesn't constitute "proof"... --McEwok 13:06, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * What do you mean it's in-universe and doesn't constitute proof? It's officially licensed and does constitute proof. - Sikon [ Talk ] 13:35, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it's officially licensed, and constitutes high-grade canon evidence; it's also recent, which adds weight of a sort; but in the end analysis, it only really tells us that Voren Na'al thinks the Rakata were the leaders of the Infinite Empire... I'd agree that that's still what the majority of the evidence indicates, but the "Ratakan band" may hint at an alternative interpretation. --McEwok 18:16, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I am sorry to be so frank, but this is the most lame sort of fan speculation. You are taking a minor piece of information out of context and blowing it way out of proportion. The purpose of that snippet of information within KOTOR:TSL was simply to imply, quite justifiably, that no one believed the Rakata's tales. It does not have any ramifications beyond that point.--Sentry 18:30, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * So, let me get this straight - you're suggesting that the "Ratakan band" allows you to see the Rataka's claims as false even though they're actually true? That doesn't make much sense to me - though I don't own KotOR II myself, so maybe I've misunderstood what the game says (and maybe it refers to humans, not the Rataka). Of course, if the designers have said that the Rataka are meant to be the Infinite Empire's founders, then that certainly adds weight to the supposition that they were - but if you're just assuming based on what the game characters and the NEC's in-universe authorial POV believe - well, is that proof? --McEwok 21:39, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * For one thing, the NEC is both in AND outside the Star Wars universe. Its entire purpose is to establish an authoritative continuity. Everything said in the NEC is canon... As for the rest of your argument, you are putting far too much thought into a RPG game mechanic. The Rakata band was an easter egg added by Obsidian and I very much doubt LucasArts gave them the authority to override the continuity established by BioWare for the sake of a joke *rolls eys*. Lastly, if you haven't played the game, why are you arguing about it? This discussion is getting ridiculous, this is the last reply for me...--Sentry 21:59, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Everything said in the NEC is canon - you have quotes to back this up? And, what "continuity" did Obsidian actually override? What proof beyond the claims of characters in a much later timeframe does KotOR offer that the Rakata were the real rulers of the Infinite Empire? --McEwok 22:41, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe a better way of putting it would be "everything said in the NEC is canon until shown to be otherwise". Which, really, is the same as any other piece of literature. Yes, it's written from an IU perspective, but there would be no point in its existence if it were unreliable as a reference. The band thing in the game opens the possibility that the Rakata were wrong/lying, and such has been noted in the article, but you know very well that the NEC exists primarily as reference material, and should be relied upon as such. CooperTFN 23:05, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I said that I wouldn't make any more comments. I guess that I lied :). Here is the actual description of the offending item:
 * The band thing in the game opens the possibility that the Rakata were wrong/lying, and such has been noted in the article; I take it you mean "some were skeptical of the notion that the seemingly primitive beings had once ruled hundreds of worlds" at the end; on the whole, I think your POV is more sensible than mine... but perhaps a mild warning should go up at the start? And, Sentry: thanks for posting that! --McEwok 17:01, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It's one non-definitive sentence at the end of a fairly large article; I think that's mild enough. =) CooperTFN 20:50, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * In KOTOR, Rakatan images and statues adorn almost every conceivable area in the Temple of the Ancients, similar statues are found on Tatooine. On  Kashyyyk the old teraforming computer's  holocron interface is in the likeness of a Rakata, and the Dantooine Overseer's first attempt at communication is in Rakatan.  If the Rakata were not the Builders, but were in fact just slaves then they must have been really important slaves for the "real" Builders. Kampfy 10:55, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Ongree
Might these aliens perhaps be related to Ongree??? Master Secura

Rakata dates
Republic Archives
 * Is it just me, or does the chronological information on the Rakata in this article seem to contradict the chronological information at The Official Site of KOTOR? Jaywin 15:02, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The dates all come straight from the game and the NEC. As primary sources, they supersede the website which states:

Archeological Studies Division

Subject Species: Rakata

Status: Extinct

In the field of galactic archeology, the Rakata species presents researchers with an anomaly. The Republic has been in existence since the arrival of hyperspace travel 20,000 years ago. Before that time, all known races could barely escape their own solar systems, and little information was shared between worlds. The Rakatas, however, appear to have been exempt from that rule. Hints of their one-time presence seem to be buried on myriad worlds, though this evidence is often contested due to the difficulty in recognizing such remnants. This is an understandable impediment given the length of time that has elapsed since their passing.

It is estimated that the Rakata civilization ceased to exist nearly 30,000 years ago, the height of its power predating the Republic by ten millennia. The scarcity of remains suggests that they were either very careful with access to their resources, or that attempts were made to intentionally remove any trace of their passing once they had gone. Both hypotheses tend to suggest that the Rakatas did not arrive on these worlds as ambassadors or merchants. No other species appears to have been so widespread, and yet so thoroughly purged from the galactic record.

While defining the Rakata culture is confined to guesswork, researchers have had better luck reconstructing the anatomy of the species. This has involved studying many ancient records, including the scrawled drawings of various peoples just developing sentience at the time. Artifacts, when they could be found, have also been analyzed to determine the shape of hand they were designed for, and the musculature that would have found them comfortable to use. This has resulted in a fairly clear physical portrait of these early galactic pioneers, though what became of their empire remains unknown.

Copyright LucasArts available .--Sentry 20:03, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps the force decided to leave the Rakata?
It seems like everything that has to do with the force has a scientific explanation but perhaps the force decided to leave the Rakata because the Rakata were abusing it by creating such perversions like the Star Forge? --Dumac 22:57, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * This assumes the Force has a will, which is controversial. And in any case it's speculation and shouldn't be included in the article. - Sikon [ Talk ] 02:57, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Rakatan Jedi/Sith?
He also aided the Rakata's efforts to regain their lost Force sensitivity which would eventually allow them to rejoin the galactic community. According to this article, the Rakata regained their Force-sensitivity after the Jedi Civil War. Does this mean that there are, or could be, Rakatan Jedi/Dark Jedi in the future? Also, did the Rakata have a seat in the Senate? Juan Sii&#39;tal 18:31, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Sourceless?

 * Huh? How is this sourceless? maybe its a candidate for "more source" but sourceless?