User:Thefourdotelipsis

"At the risk of sounding negative: No."

- Leela

"There'll be no one to stop us this time!"

- My earliest Star Wars memory

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- Inadvertantly my new catch-cry

"Having a quote that I coined myself here would be arrogance to the nth degree."

- ....

Yo. No fanfic to be found here - I find that stuff to be both tedious and a waste of time. Here's what you need to know -

So there.
 * Films in order of preference (from favourite to least favourite): V, IV, III, I, VI, II
 * Favourite all-time character: Darth Vader
 * Favourite EU character: Borsk Fey'lya, followed closely by Mitth'raw'nuruodo and Gilad Pellaeon
 * Favourite Jedi: Plo Koon
 * Favourite Sith: Darth Vader
 * Favourite Rebel: Lando Calrissian (just because of the way James Earl Jones says Calrissian)
 * Favourite Imperial: Firmus Piett
 * Characters that I find interesting but underdeveloped: Wade Vox, Echuu Shen-Jon, Emon Azzameen
 * Favourite all-time ship: Slave I
 * Favourite starfighter: TIE/D Defender
 * Favourite capital ship: Super-class Star Destroyer Executor. None of this Executor-class Star Dreadnought bull - it's the Super-class, and it always will be.
 * Favourite location: Cloud City
 * Favourite planet: Vjun
 * Favourite game: X-Wing Alliance
 * Favourite novel: Shadows of the Empire

Ethics: "After a really series of complicated events..."
 * The Special Editions are canon. Don't spend your time whining about an OOT long gone...
 * The EU is a part of the story, but I don't consider it when watching the films.
 * Don't spend 90% of your time on Wookiepedia editing your user page, be it tweaking or writing inconsequential and hammy fanon.
 * Be flexible. Be open to others ideas, and don't just arrogantly claim that you are right and that this image of Rune Haako is not going to be changed.
 * Portraits in infoboxes. It's encyclopedic.
 * Wookiepedia is an encyclopedia, not an information stash. I'm looking at you, Palpatine.
 * If you don't like GL, say it, and then let it be.
 * Star Wars: Legacy has the potential of being the biggest mistake the EU has ever made. I'm talking bigger than The Crystal Star or even Dark Empire
 * Matthew Stover, Timothy Zahn, and James Luceno have saved the EU from certain death.
 * Palpatine beat Yoda. Deal with it.
 * Mace out-duelled Palpatine. Deal with it.
 * Aayla is dead. Deal with it.
 * Leland Chee is on something.
 * So is Rick McCallum

- Rick McCallum

Rants and Musings
Some people have Fanon - I have Rants and Musings. Every so often, I'll be posting my thoughts on a certain subject, and you can leave comments, if any of you actually bother to read it. In reality, I'm doing this for my own piece...peace of mind. Maybe I'll dump it all on my starwars.com blog...when I get one. If you've got a topic you'd like me to talk about, leave it on my talk page. Oh, and these Rants and Musings do not in any way represent Wookiepedia; they just represent me.

Star Wars - Rant I: Star Wars: Legacy and Stradley's childish retort
Sith versus Imperials. A Jedi Purge....again. Cade Skywalker. Does it get any better than this? Yes, in fact, it's always been better than this. Heck, when Marvel was in charge it was better than this. People, welcome - to the cheapening of the Expanded Universe.

We've heard it all before: Dark Empire ruined Anakin Skywalker's sacrifice. It's one of the flaws of an overzealous EU being established before Lucas had finished his work. Of course, how was Tom Veitch to know that? This was 1991, before any sort of unified attempt to expand the Star Wars mythos had been made. And it shows. Dark Empire was Dark Horse's "EU Revolution". Bantam were doing the same thing at the same time with the Thrawn Trilogy, and at the current timeline standings, Dark Empire's events take place right after Thrawn's campaign. So what we basically have, is the New Republic fighting Thrawn tooth and nail, only to be nearly wiped out the following year. It's a shame, but Dark Empire ultimately cheapens Zahn's magnificent trilogy, making it all for naught. Oh, it fits in the canon, but it just doesn't sit right.

But, thanks to Lumiya's explantation in Betrayal, the blow of Dark Empire has been softened. She reasons that the clones of Palpatine weren't really him, just fabrications, and so the last Sith truly died at Endor. That sits fine with me, although I am curious to see where Legacy of the Force goes with both her and Jacen Solo.



But that is irrelevant. It seems that the children sitting behind the desks at Dark Horse think that "now the saga is cheapened anyway by the EU, we can do whatever we damn well like". This seems to indicate that they had some grand plans that were (thankfully) shot down and replaced by Del Rey, but Randy Stradley's little quote struck me:

"Personally, it's difficult for me to look objectively at any of the NJO stuff, because I only see how "wrong" it all is (in comparison to what we had planned)"

- Randy Stradley

Now, that comes across to me as being sour. On a Gary Kurtz scale. But what's scary is that Stradley is in a creative position in the Star Wars universe, while Kurtz no longer is. Thus, Legacy is born; "The Future of Star Wars!" Disguised as a bold new direction, these new comics are in fact, a slap in the face to both Del Rey, and the saga as a whole. In fact, they are more detrimental to the films than Dark Empire ever was. Sith ruling the galaxy again? Excuse me? What the hell was the point of Skywalker's sacrifice at Endor then? The Jedi wiped out? Fantastic, you've just flushed all of Bantam's books down the drain - all of the stories tracking Luke's building of a New Jedi Order just crushed with one swift stroke.

It's not as though they're even trying though. Darth Krayt? Darth Talon? Lady Maladi!? Darth Maleval? God, what next, Darth Destructor? Darth Bahd-gye? Darth Evil? Darth Grumpy? Seriously, this makes Jaxxon look like Adalric Brandl. Cade Skywalker? What junk.



And the statement that Legacy makes more references to the Yuuzhan Vong than Legacy of the Force is rubbish of the highest calibre. The residual Vong references in Legacy of the Force are not only physical, but they are mental, having profound effects on the central characters. All John Ostrander and Jan Duursema have done, in reality, is given their main antagonist some Vong armour. Fantastic.

So anything set in-between Return of the Jedi and Legacy is worth jack. Hey, look, Luke just built a New Jedi Order, but you know what? It's going to go to hell in a hundred years time anyway. Pretty pathetic. Dark Horse should keep its long snout and its child-like writers in the Prequel Era, where it can stick to superficial stories without damaging the already fragile continuity. Leave the real writers, at Del Rey, to further the story into the unknown.

In the words of Sam Kekovich: You know it makes sense.

Comments
I gotta disagree with you here. Legacy is the best thing to happen to the EU in a long time. In my opinion, if John Ostrander had written the prequels, there would have been far less complaints (no, no joke). The Quinlan Vos saga is by far the best man vs. himself story in all of the EU. So what if the Jedi Order is all but extinct 140 years after the Sith were defeated? I don't need a happy ending thank you very much. I don't need Luke and his Jedi to expand until they successfully bring peace and justice to all of the galaxy. I understand Stradley's statement perfectly. Initially they were going to have the new threat be the Sith, but GL stepped in and they had to create the Yuuzhan Vong. If you had a chance to have a massive Sith vs. Jedi showdown over a long line of books, but then you had to let that plotline die in place of alien masochists, I'd always look back on that project with a little resentment. The way the NJO was headed was (and I'm sorry to say it) the absolute wrong way, and no I'm not talking about placing the characters in real danger (the death of Chewbacca etc.). I'm talking about the graying of the Force on the outside world instead of just within the character. These philosophical books just won't sell, plain and simple. Also, it may not be original, but it is new. The Sith ruling the galaxy, and the Jedi reduced to traveling vagabonds really is uncharted territory. It hasn't been shown at all for the prequel Jedi, and it's something people want to see, which is why I think Dark Times will also be a success. Also, you totally neglected mentioning the drug angle they've introduced. Do you know of any other place in Star Wars where the internal conflict won't just be over choosing between light and dark, but also with addiction to drugs. This is a kind of conflict we haven't seen in the Star Wars universe to date, and I'm excited to see where they take this, especially integrating Luke's ghost into that whole internal struggle. I'm also tired of people insulting the many Sith Lord's names. How are they so bad? They are just as good if not better than Tyranus, Sidious, Plagueius, and Maul. Tyranus and Plagueius are the worst for me. What Sith name sounds both menacing and cool besides Vader? Tell me that. Cull Tremayne 06:53, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I thought that Sidious and Maul were pretty good...Tyranus and Plagueius are lame, but then, we don't hear it all that often. I was going to mention the drug angle...I suppose I forgot. My beef with that is - a drug related story could have been done within the established canon. Take an underdeveloped, one-time-only character, like Wade Vox, and make him a drug addict. Develop his story, and there you have it. And I thought that the Vong was a good opportunity to do something original with the EU. It's just that...well...the New Jedi Order doesn't feel all that Star Warsey. But the complaint here isn't about the New Jedi Order (maybe I'll do a Rant on that later). It's about Legacy and it's "cheapening" of the EU. We don't need Sith anymore. If you're going to have a huge showdown between Sith and Jedi, go back and do it in the Sith era - don't go grubbying the future. And in that regard, I suppose it's not the fact that Luke's legacy doesn't really survive, it's the fact that everything that is published now between Legacy of the Force and Legacy will have that same sort of lacklustre "oh, this is what's happening, but you know, it's all going to go to hell anyway". I'm sorry, but I'm yet to be convinced that this is a good direction for the EU. Perhaps if the exact same story were produced in a few years time, but with all of the stuff leading up to it, from 40 ABY to 130 BBY filled up, yeah, I might go for it. But at the moment, I don't buy it. In both senses. Here's hoping for a non-canon tag to be slapped on Legacy, but with the Jedi Prince stories being officially canon...I don't see it happening. Unfortunately. .  .  .  .  08:00, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Think of it this way. Look at Earth and the relationship between its people over the last few hundred years. Our former friends are now our enemies and ours once bitter foes are our friends. The same can be said for many other countries and peoples. Always having a war, switching sides, disagreements. It's the same concepts but placed on a galactic scale. Jedi and Sith are never going away and will end up taking sides with each other (even with the Imps) if another larger threat to both or all exists. And as for drugs we can all thank Elan Sleazebaggano for introducing us to the world of death sticks. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:48, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That's not the problem, the thing is, the Sith are gone. They died at Endor. Finito. The Lumiya thing can slip because she was created by Marvel, and they knew no better, but what the hell is the point of Anakin's sacrifice on the Death Star II if the Sith just come back? Even more powerful than before? .  .  .  .  00:59, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * On your earlier comment, Thefourdotelipsis; the PT was set up after the OT, but no-one complained, "oh, this is what's happening, but you know, it's all going to go to hell anyway". Everyone (including you, I'm sure) wanted to learn the motivations of some of the OT's biggest baddies, and how they came to be. So it is with LOTF and Legacy. Sir Adas Xendor, Noble Knight of the Sith Round Table 05:41, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, and that whole "oh, what the hell is the point of Anakin's sacrifice on the Death Star II if the Sith just come back? Even more powerful than before?" thing is easily explained away. According to your logic, then, what was the point of Lord Hoth's sacrifice on Ruusan if the Sith still came back to control the galaxy? The GFFA is constantly bound in a cycle that will always repeat itself, no matter what you (or anyone else, for that matter) may think. Just my two credits; hope you'll hear me out... Sir Adas Xendor, Noble Knight of the Sith Round Table 05:46, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I've heard you out, thanks for commenting. With Anakin's sacrifice, it's the ultimate climax to the whole "Chosen One" thing, but now, it's insignificant. I would just prefer it if the EU progressed in a natural way, instead of jumping the gun like Legacy. And I think that when the EU "catches up", so to speak, Legacy is going to look pretty shoddy continuity-wise. .  .  .  .  05:49, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, people could say the same thing about the OT. Sir Adas Xendor, Noble Knight of the Sith Round Table 01:11, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Could. But shouldn't. Difference is, the OT came first and everything revolves around it. I can tell you right now that Del Rey aren't going to revolve around this. .  .  .  .  01:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I couldn't agree with you more. I hate 99% of all post-ROTJ EU. Chack Jadson 20:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh? What's the 1% you like? Sir Adas Xendor, Noble Knight of the Sith Round Table 21:49, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, and Thefourdotelipsis (may I call you Fourdot?), I kind of get the feeling Del Rey isn't going with Legacy either, considering the Darth Who? contest they've just launched. And although I hate to judge before all the facts are in, it's beginning to look like you're right. Sir Adas Xendor, Noble Knight of the Sith Round Table 21:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I personally love Bantam's post ROTJ EU, with a few exceptions. Zahn's work is usually very consistent, but there are some questionable entries (Planet of Twilight, The Crystal Star), but I liked NJO, and I'm loving LOTF. And Adas, I'd be watching out for a massive retcon to be coming Legacys way. Or maybe a big fat Infinities sticker. That would make me extremely happy. .  .  .  .  22:26, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but it LF doesn't act soon, I'm sure the Legacy boys will be pissed off. I'm assuming they believed Jacen would be Krayt. Boy, are they gonna be pissed. Sir Adas Xendor, Noble Knight of the Sith Round Table 00:12, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I picked the wrong week to stop sniffing glue. :) Sir Adas Xendor, Noble Knight of the Sith Round Table 00:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well...wouldn't that make Krayt quite old? Anyway, Krayt doesn't seem to be Jacen's kind of Sith. .  .  .  .  00:38, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it says somewhere in the Legacy comics that Krayt was frozen for a period of time. But, yeah, I can sense a discontinuity between Krayt and Jacen, just like I can sense one between AOTC Anakin and ANH Darth Vader. It all depends, Shirley. Sir Adas Xendor, Noble Knight of the Sith Round Table 01:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, crap! Sorry, Fourdot! Sir Adas Xendor, Noble Knight of the Sith Round Table 01:52, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I really can't see Hayden saying "There'll be no one to stop us this time!" .  .  .  .  04:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Mmmm. *snickers* I'd just laugh if he did something like that. Sir Adas Xendor, Noble Knight of the Sith Round Table 05:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, Fourdot, you should set up a rant on why you dislike Dark Empire! C'mon; it'd be fun! Sir Adas Xendor, Noble Knight of the Sith Round Table 05:08, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Problem is, I don't hate Dark Empire. That's be more suited to a Musing. But I'll take your suggestion to heart...maybe that's what I'll do next. .  .  .  .  10:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * At some point in the timeline, I think every rational fan must draw a line, yell "And then the good guys won. THE END!", and ignore all EU set later in the timeline (unless, perhaps, a really spectacular story comes along.) Some people will draw the line at ROTJ, some (like me) at the end of the Bantam novels, some at the end of the NJO, and others at some theoretical point after the Legacy comics when Jon Bon Jovi defeats Captain Spiky and Darth Bikini.  Of course, while updating this site, we have to be irrational... 8) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 14:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Fourdot! I'm glad to have inspired your muse. Keep up the good rants! Sir Adas Xendor, Noble Knight of the Sith Round Table 20:34, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Very good Silly Dan. .  .  .  .  21:59, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, Silly Dan; very silly! Sir Adas Xendor, Noble Knight of the Sith Round Table 00:51, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, Fourdot; you there? Sir Adas Xendor, Noble Knight of the Sith Round Table 22:14, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes...what happened to my rant? .  .  .  .  22:25, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops. Sorry, Fourdot. Glad you liked the picture, though! Sir Adas Xendor, Noble Knight of the Sith Round Table 23:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

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