Talk:Darth Malak

Bastila Shan was never Dark Lord of the Sith. She lived before the time of multiple Dark Lords (during the New Sith Wars) and she never succeeded her Master in either the canonical Lightside ending nor the alternate Dark Side ending. QuentinGeorge 00:42, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * At the time there was only one Dark lord at a time, that bein Malak. Bane's rule of two had come into effect yet. Jasca Ducato 08:54, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I think I may know what happened to Malak's jaw. On the Jedi Civil War page it says that Revan and Malak battled with Revan coming out on top...it's possible and plausible. RushinSundaws
 * Speculation that they even battled, so far as I know. Though I personally think it is the case, the game merely states Malak "grudgingly" assumed the role of apprentice. I take it as they battled and Malak lost, but it's not fact, I think. --Fade 17:27, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Eye color
What is Malak's eye color? Judging from KOTOR's opening picture, it can be brown, green or even red. - Sikon 10:47, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * From the texture files, a sort of light orangey brown. I'm just calling it brown. Lord Hydronium 20:18, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * That was probably his eye color when in the grips of the dark side of the Force. -- SFH 20:20, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Next Dark Lord of the Sith?
Would it be appropiate to place all three of the Sith from the second KOTOR (Nihilus, Sion,and/or Traya) As the next Dark Lord in line? Being that they seemed to be in control of the Sith Empire at that time. Redemption
 * There was a discussion and we collectively decided that Traya, Nihilus and Sion were never actually "Dark Lords". QuentinGeorge 06:06, 20 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Jawless Malak = Injured Malak?
How did Malak suffer the injury which is implied by the Jawless Malak picture? - TopAce 19:17, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC) {195.92.168.176 08:00, 26 January 2006 (UTC))
 * It's not revealed in the game, but it's hinted that he was injured by Bastila when trying to convert her to the dark side. However, by the time of the injury he already had an artificial jaw. - Sikon [ Talk ] 06:40, 7 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Really? Where in the game is that hinted? Kuralyov 06:46, 7 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Well... I just thought it was quite obvious when Malak spoke about his new apprentice. Looks like it wasn't. - Sikon [ Talk ] 07:28, 7 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I think it's pretty obvious he had the wound throughout the game, and aquired it sometime between the end of the Mandalorian Wars (he has a whole jaw in the Dantooine vision) and returning as a Sith. My personal guess is that Revan gave it to him, after which Malak "grudgingly" assumed the role of apprentice. --Fade 23:05, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * How could a Jedi Sentinel injure a Sith Lord? - TopAce 15:32, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Jedi Guardian/Sentinel/Consular are gameplay features. The parts where Dorak says "become a Jedi Guardian/Sentinel/Consular" are about as canon as when Trask says stuff like "use your security skill to unlock the door"... anyway, Malak wouldn't be able to instafreeze a Jedi sentinel (except, you know, when he does it to your character), so they'd stand a good chance ;)


 * Do we really even know Malak lost his Jaw to a Lightsaber hit? It could ave been done by anything. HavetStorm 16:30, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It's in his article on the Databank --Fade 16:33, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Fighting style
Is there any information on what Form Malak specialized in? --Maru (talk) Contribs 06:34, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I doubt there is any information on what form any KOTOR character specialized in, save Vrook, Kavar and Zez-Kai Ell. - Sikon [ Talk ] 06:38, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)

I know there isn't any reference to Malak's lightsaber style, but considering Malak's powerful physique, one would probably think that Malak was a master of Form V: Shien / Djem So. LordRevan
 * that'd get the article a conjecture tag thoughHavetStorm 18:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Malak and Revan - trained at Dantooine
Were they? I'm aware of what the biography on Malak says on the KotOR website, but I hold just about as much faith with that as I do with the KotOR Chronicles. Nothing in the game suggests that, if anything it makes it pretty clear that Revan and Malak were trained on Coruscant.

Zhar: When I was still on Coruscant, Revan and Malak often came to me for additional training.

Speaking of which, where does the information for Zhar being Malak's master come from? Revan and Malak went to him for *additional* training... doesn't screech "was Malak's Master" to me.

Actually - this entire article seems to be full of inaccuracies, it is strongly suggested during KotOR II that it was only upon arriving at Malachor V that Revan learnt about the Star Forge, which is what led him to hunt down the Star Maps - yet this article talks about them discovering the first Star Map before the Mandalorian Wars? Care to explain the Sith Robes Revan was wearing?

That said, it is possible that Revan's appearance in that dreamsequence was more of a representation of how your character perceived his past self as opposed to what he was actually wearing at the time...

(195.92.168.176 07:54, 26 January 2006 (UTC))


 * With regards to Revan's Robes, follow this link.
 * With regards to discovering the first Star Map. The Trayus Academy on Malachor V has nothing to do with the Star Forge save how they are linked by Revan's fall to the darkside. The first Star Map was discovered before the Mandalorian War.
 * With regards to Zhar's quote, it actually goes "Revan often came to me for additional training" not Malak. (I think, they were talking about Revan, not Malak at the time}
 * With regards to where they were training, we are not told and as such do not know. Nowhere is it implied that they trained at Coruscant.
 * Jasca Ducato 19:39, 29 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Been a while since I spoke to Zhar, but doesn't he say "While I was still on Coruscant, Revan and Malak often..etc." --Fade 18:28, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, he does. Sorry Jasca, but you're wrong.(195.92.168.174 05:01, 8 June 2006 (UTC))

Species
There's really no reason to think he's Ratataki, is there? Certainly nothing in canon about species at all.


 * Databank has him down as human. It's been reverted now, anyway. --Fade 16:55, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I saw this mentioned as his speculated species on the TFN forums earlier today. Thanks for catching this, Havet. It's removed. --Imp 16:57, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * no problem. saw it at TFN too, thats what made me check.HavetStorm 17:11, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Stop Swappping the Image

 * If you're all going to keep swapping those two images around perhaps there shold be some sort of vote on it Personally I prefer the 'artwork' one to the promo one. HavetStorm 23:16, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I prefer the promo but then again, I'm the one who uploaded in the first place so I'm partially to blame. :P Redemption 23:12, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I much prefer the artwork; it goes with the 'head and shoulders' lead in policy, and, because it's a piece of art, downright looks better than a graphical image which looks entirely boring, I feel. I'm not sure what Robtheanimewhatever means by repeatedly swapping Revan's, though. --Fade 23:48, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The policy is promo images get priority. However, being that this is an official piece of artwork, its up for debate. Redemption 23:57, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I uploaded the artwork originally but I didn't intend to have it as the main image. Someone else did it, maybe Jack Nebulax, not sure off hand. Anyway, I prefer it as the main image and it has been like that for a while now. --DannyBoy7783 01:59, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, my image seems to be more of a "official" image since its background isn't distracting and focuses on the one character while giving a good view top to bottom. But it's up to you guys...Redemption 03:16, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * No offense Redemption, but your last comment is really just your opinion. Neither image is really much better than the other. I like the artwork because it is official and it has more flair. It makes the page a little more exciting. Also, it shows a close up of Malak which tends to be the general practice around here when possible.--DannyBoy7783 03:26, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well...isn't that the whole point of this discussion: which image is better? Isn't that all based on opinion? I think the current has more of an encyclopedia look. Just like you think the art one has more "flair". Redemption 03:56, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Sith Sword

 * Why the article said the Malak sometimes carry a Sith sword with him? In the game I always see him carry his lightsaber, but never a Sith sword. Darth Kevinmhk 10:12, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, if no one can source when & where did Malak carry Sith swords, then I will remove it from the article! Darth Kevinmhk 11:43, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That was taken from the Wizards of the Coast article on him for the SW RPG.(195.92.168.174 22:41, 8 June 2006 (UTC))
 * Alright, any Wookieepedian can verify this? If so let's put it back into the article. Darth Kevinmhk 02:31, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=starwars/article/sw20031009malak and more recently http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=starwars/article/CotFPreview5. Both mention the sith sword. Note, that the first article is written from the perspective of the galaxy at large, so they're unaware of both the Star Forge and the fact that Malak betrayed Revan. It also highlights that because of the Star Forge, Malak is *super uber*. His stats are insane. (Ulicus 14:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC))

what was wrong with what i added?
the lines:

But even after years of the corruption of the dark side, Malak was not entirely evil. Infact it is true, When you battle Malak and he uses a force power you'll see at the feedback tab at the stary menu that he's alignment was neutral eg: Cast force lightning(20 + 0 alignment modifier).

Master Nikolce 06:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * ..err, i played the game, but i still dunno what you meant, maybe you can further explain your paragraph? Darth Kevinmhk 07:53, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The problem is that you are using a very obscure and irrelevant game mechanic to justify your argument and, as such, you are advancing pure conjecture. Malak was the Dark Lord of the Sith. He is, therefore, virtually by definition an evil man...--Sentry 08:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * And the article has already addressed his (kinda) regret before he died. Darth Kevinmhk 08:22, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I suggest you put back the mechanic facts into BTS as something interesting, but do not try to deduce that Malak is not evil with those facts. Darth Kevinmhk 08:48, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, put it in BTS, like it's done for Juhani (also neutral). - Sikon [ Talk ] 11:08, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

You know this game plays useing 3rd edition dungeons and dragons, well there a tab in the start menus where you see that. When Malak uses a force power like Lighninig, you see that it says: Malak use forcer Lightning(20+0 force alignment).

do you understand?

Master Nikolce 06:48, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't understand why you insist on adding out-of-universe information somewhere besides the BTS section. - Sikon [ Talk ] 07:05, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I cant find that tab... Darth Kevinmhk 11:43, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

its one of the ingame menus, the messages one. On part of it has the recent dialogue messages, press 'x' and there is a feedback screen where it shows what you get from a reward, and the battle information, understand?

Hello?? Master Nikolce 06:53, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Master Nikolce 07:20, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Darth Malak -> Twi'lek dancing girl
Did you know that you can become Darth Malak in a Twi'lek girl on the final battle?? It's very, very funny!!!! Only you need to insert another controller on the fourth port of your Xbox and press both triggers and the Y button at the same time before you open the door prior the battle with him!!!!!! (He will only change until you have finished the conversation). Axel Shan


 * Old news... have someone add it to behind the scenes.
 * On the PC version, this ending is activated by typing "dancedancemalak" in the cheat console before entering the Star Forge Viewing Platform. - Sikon [ Talk ] 10:20, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

Zhar
Zhar Lestin was the Master who trained Malak. Disciple tells you this in K2 if you get a certain amount of influence (but, apparently, it doesn't work with 100 influence). - Sikon [ Talk ] 11:13, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That's interesting, though it does conflict with the information given in K1 - when Zhar says that "Revan and Malak often came to me for additional training". The "came to me", bit seems to imply that Malak wasn't *his* student, but someone elses. Whatever though, if Disciple says Zhar was his master, then Zhar was his master. (195.92.168.174 05:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC))
 * Personally I dont think it contradict that much. Zhar of course gave Malak standard training. For additional training, Malak can find other masters. And both Revan AND Malak chose Zhar for additional training, thus the "came". Darth Kevinmhk 05:59, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * If they "came" to him, it implies that they weren't his padawans, but rather someone else's. A master wouldn't say "he came to me often for additional training" of his own student... Whatever, it doesn't really matter though, there seems to be something of a tendency in this era for padawans to be taught be a number of different masters (though probably not as many as Revan went through). (Ulicus 12:42, 12 June 2006 (UTC))

Huh?
"His already impressive Force Powers are somehow improved by an unknown power source."

And where is this ever stated? Hmm?
 * I can only guess that 82.158.132.213 was trying to subtly hint at the Star Forge... It should probably be rewritten to be more explicit. Master Nikolce also added some fanon (in present tense, no less) into that section that should be removed.--Sentry 01:05, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

what was wrong with what i added, and besides, my edit was true, when you face malak, he preforms a force jump towards you if your far away. And he can fight with his right hand, he did use power attack, critical jit and flurry with his right hand and the left hand with force powers. tell me whats wrong with it?

Malak was a Jedi guardian. It is shown, that when Revan is far, Malak will attack with force jump. Malak, at the time was probably the most skilled lightsaber duelist, due to the fact he can fight entirely with his right arm. He could use power attak, flurry and critical strike all with one hand, the left hand used for force powers. Master Nikolce 10:50, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * We dont have to be that specific: Yoda, Ani, Obi-Wan used Force Jump too... it is nothing that unique for Malak; Ani, Ben and Dooku all had occassion of using sword at right hand and Force at left, but it doesnt mean anything. The article should be treated like a bio of character in a fictional universe, not a "table of facts" of a character in computer games. Darth Kevinmhk 11:36, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

Padawan massacre
"It has been speculated that Malak was the red-armored Sith with a red lightsaber whom four Jedi Masters from the Covenant saw in their visions, which — after they mistook this Sith for a future version of one of their own Padawans — led them to commit the Padawan Massacres of Taris. It should be noted that Malak and Zayne Carrick, the only Padawan to survive the massacre, are sufficiently different in appearance and background to establish them as separate persona."

- Sikon's entry into artile

Can someone provide a source? Jasca Ducato 10:12, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The Padawan Massacres of Taris article mentions that... - Sikon [ Talk ] 10:21, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Height
Right. Ok. I *know* what the Databank entry says: 2 metres. But the more I play through KotOR I, the more and more this just doesn't jive with me - not unless every other character in the game is supposed to be a 5'5 midget.

Darth Vader is also listed at 2.02 metres, yet there are other characters in the saga that approach his height - and whilst Vader's taller than every other human, he rarely towers over them to the same extent that Malak does. Heads frequently come up to Vader's "mouth grill", whereas most humans in KotOR only get up to Malak's shoulders. Also, I seem to recall Lucas mentioning that PM as Chewbacca was now quite a short wookie (because of all the gigantic basketball players they could get), at 2.28 metres (though the databank does say that their average height is 2.10 metres) - yet Malak is as tall as every wookie character...

There's also the fact that Malak constructed a super-long lightsaber so as to take advantage of his height, whereas Vader's saber is the same length as the average Jedi - which implies (to me) that suited Vader was shorter than Malak.

So, basically, what I'm saying is - wouldn't make more sense to list Malak's height as being "over 2 metres" (well, "meters")? That works with both the "2.02" information and the way he is presented in the game itself. The Databank isn't exactly the most reliable source of information when it comes to the KotOR characters- having lifted a lot of its stuff from the terribly flawed Official KotOR website.

It's a similar problem I have with HK-47's height. That droid is in no way just under six foot- that would mean that if I was walking around the KotOR universe, I'd be almost a 3/4s of a head taller than every human I came across (except Malak).

I'm sure the majority of you won't agree with me, as the Databank is often considered to be one the "most canon" sources around - but there's no harm in me bringing it up.(Ulicus 13:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC))

The Opening Quote
You can't put words into Revan's mouth. That's just one option he has - Revan's in game dialog cannot be considered canon. (Ulicus 14:39, 12 June 2006 (UTC))
 * Is it allowed for a character page to open with a quote from that character? If so I'd suggest: "I wanted to be master of the Sith and ruler of the galaxy." - Malak. Pretty neatly sums him up. (Ulicus 14:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC))
 * Well, judging from Han Solo it is allowed. Added.(Ulicus 14:58, 12 June 2006 (UTC))
 * But the other quote is so much better. Time and again, we've decided that whatever would be the "lightest" option for Revan is near enough canon to assume happened (e.g. didn't aid the Genoharadan, redeemed Yuthura Ban) even though things can potentially go differently in the game. The quote we had up here also nicely characterizes Malak, as he more or less took his seat of power by riding Revan's coattails, and it perfectly illustrates the balance of his power-lust and eventual regret. -BaronGrackle 15:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)