User talk:CC7567

Comet
Hi, I was wondering if you could review Comet (clone trooper) on the FAN page. He's been sitting there a while, and if its because of the quality of the article, the sooner I know there's problems with it the sooner it'll be fixed. I know this is a long shot, but I was hoping to get Comet to status before he appears again in TCW. Thanks for your time, 501st  dogma ( talk ) 18:21, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Au Contraire
On the contrary; it says right on the page that George Lucas based Ziro's voice on Truman Capote - a writer who was well-known for his effeminate voice and manner.

Furthermore, describing Ziro's voice as effeminate is exactly that: a description - one that can be sufficiently backed up by any on-screen media in which he has a speaking role. If a citation is necessary for that, then you'll also need a similar one for the assertion that he was "flamboyant", or for his fondness of hats. --User: Dr. Anonymous1 01:26, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

AC Meeting 48
Hey CT. Quick reminder that AC Meeting 48 is tomorrow at 4 PM EDT. Cheers.&mdash; Cal Jedi (Personal Comm Channel) 20:43, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Official Friends of Wookieepedia nominee
I have seen that the proposal of making The Clone Wars Wiki an Official Friend of Wookieepedia has been rejected by majority opposition. I'd like to inquire if it would be possible to, one day (no time soon, mind you), renominate it for that title. ObiKenobiUPC proposed this at a poor time as I understand the wiki is not exactly at three-star quality, with many articles in bad shape. But the administrators of that wiki (myself included) have begun a massive cleanup project to bring the wiki up to good quality, and, just maybe, OFW standards. We've made great strides in this already; there are some articles that even rival their Wookieepedian counterparts (amount of content-wise).

So, in a great deal of time as well as proper formatting and referencing, we may reach a point where we will be able to resubmit the previously mentioned request. The content of this wiki does indeed outweigh the content of The Clone Wars wiki, and I feel one of the reasons for opposing it was that the wiki is much looser with sourcing and has less of an established format. Not to mention some of their reasons were because it was a limited version of this wiki and it's "something that should rightfully fall under Wookieepedia." (Define rightfully) Which, to me anyway, kind of contradicts the guideline, "Nominations must be related in some way to Star Wars, Wookieepedia's sole concentration". Anyway, we are currently working to greatly improve the quality of that wiki so that it may be a neatly and well formatted and written.

With that said, I'm not asking if it is likely to gain any more support if it may be renominated, I'm asking if it would be possible for it to be renominated. Bane7670 (talk) 22:34, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

SDCC Season 5 Panel
Hello there, would this count as an official source? If not, have a look anyway. Bane7670 (talk) 01:31, July 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, indeed. Glad you saw that. Bane7670 (talk) 15:42, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism
It is not vanelism. I plan to edit and rewrite with plenty of links to sources and such. how do i use a link to jump to a page in the wiki here?

So can you disprove it? Or are you just sickened?

FAlink
Hey CC,

Thanks for archiving Red Sith Purge and Vima. Just a reminder to add FAlink to the end of all FA queue entries, and to update the FAlink of the "0" entry when you add the "1" entry. Cheers. Menkooroo (talk) 02:28, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

Mak Plain in "Slaves"
Hey CC, I have another question for you regarding a TCW appearance. I know that Nix Card appears on Zygerria in Slaves of the Republic, but Mak Plain's article currently lists him as appearing there as well. I don't own that episode yet, so I was wondering if you could tell me if you see him in that crowd. And if he is there, what's he doing? Many thanks. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 20:49, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds great to me. I've needed some motivation too. This should finally give me that push I need to do the Republic military enhancement bill, Confederate-Republican peace initiative, Reduced military spending bill, Halle Burtoni, Mina Bonteri, and a few others. I've been getting lazy too :P You know how it is. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 21:46, August 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sounds great. Done. :) Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 00:30, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Patitite Pattuna battle GAN
Just a note that Lucasfilm identified the gray-and-blue striped Vulture droids as being from 88th Flight. &mdash; Gethralkin  Hyperwave 09:33, August 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * The answer to the question of how the squadrons in the episodes got their names is easy: LFL named them, those names were given to SWPM along with episodic material to show how they should look, and SWPM created models displaying the names of the squadrons and showing their color schemes. LFL's TCW episodes are the sources and the cited attribution explains this logically. The reason that asking us to explicitly connect each and every unit appearance is not reasonable is that the units appear in all episodes that they are shown in. WP:ATT clearly states that original research does not include "logical deductions[,] based on fully attributed data." Therefore, if my fellow representative says that all game pieces are based on the matching appearances in the TCW series, can you explain to me what I am missing here? &mdash; Gethralkin  Hyperwave 01:59, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

Upload file
Is upload file down by any chance? I've been trying to upload three images to the site but it never uploads the image and when I chose the license when I click upload it says no license chosen since the license won't load as it should. DarthRevan1173 (talk) 06:43, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Have I been banned or something from uploading pics? Got a better net connection now and still can't upload them, nor will the license load properly. The page loads as it should. The pic meets the size requirement. DarthRevan1173 (talk) 23:32, August 5, 2012 (UTC)

Replacing duplicate/obsolete images
Hey there CC, I wanted to see if you were OK with me editing your sub-pages, and project pages with the higher quality PNG grabs I've been taking on my own, or do you still prefer I use the talk pages? I assure you all I'll ever do is replace identical images with higher quality versions, and I'll always use the "2.7 Replaced duplicate image(s)" edit summary. I'm going to be going through Season Three to get better screenshots, and thought it might save some time. If you'd prefer I didn't, no worries. I completely understand, but I wanted to pose the question. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 15:11, August 6, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Mandalorian Excision
Hey CC! Sorry about that. I don't do too much with the FA process so I guess I'm a little unfamiliar with all the rules. I'd seen other users make similar edits to ongoing FA noms for similar purposes, and thought it fell under the SoFixIt rule for the little stuff. Sorry again, didn't mean to step on any toes. Y'know, when I got Warfare, I was actually intending to do the work up of the Excision article myself, but you were too quick and stole it right out from under me. :P You did a really nice job, though. Couldn't have done it better. :) Bella&#39;Mia (talk) 04:45, August 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I suppose there's enough wiggle room with a term as essentially broad as "bombardment" to want to ensure that nobody got any wrong ideas, though upon reading the section yet again, I still feel as if an orbital bombardment was the implication. No big deal, though. However, I do feel as if there's a place for a note or at least a link to the Mandalorian Civil War. As you wrote in the article's intro: "The schism in ideology ensured that further conflict would ensue, as it did well into the time of the Clone Wars." It only seems fitting the article details some hint of what that conflict was; you discuss the Death Watch/New Mandalorian strife from TCW, but not a word on the similar civil war that preceded it. I'm not suggesting some lengthy treatise, but a brief, say...one or two sentences that brush over the highlights of the conflict and how it perpetuated Mandalorian tensions during the Clone Wars. I also think there should be maybe an additional sentence at the end of the second "Aftermath" paragraph, noting from The Essential Atlas that the New Mandalorians were eventually overcome and Mandalore returned largely to it's former ways, illustrating that the Excision's effects on Mandalore's society were long lasting but not permanent. And lastly, I noticed you changed the descriptive preface for Sundari back to simply "Mandalore's capital". While I understand you're taking this from a few pro-TCW sources, even The Essential Atlas continues to corroborate Keldabe as the capital of Mandalore. That's why, in the interest of reflecting all available sources, I chose to change the description to the "New Mandalorian capital". It allows both cities to exist simultaneously as capitals, without giving preference to either, while incorporating multiple sources. Bella&#39;Mia (talk) 03:48, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Your revision looks great, and you hit all the points I was hoping for. My objections, if you want to call them that, are more then addressed. And yes, I did in fact realize that I had basically done an FA review by the time I finished typing that up, but I figured we already had this conversation going so I might as well finish discussing it with you right here. Thanks for listening, CC. :D Bella&#39;Mia (talk) 06:36, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Citadel Challenge
Hi CC, I'm working on Droidbait on Jedipedia so I read Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Defenders of the Republic again. On page 49, there's mentioned a "Citadel Obstacle Course". Since I'm not an expert in your language, is this another name for the Citadel Challenge or just the name for the place where the test is taken? Sincerely, Nahdar Vebb (talk) 19:25, August 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Re: I don't want to steal Jang's work. :) Rex has nearly the same part as in the series: After Ahsoka (Blue Leader) and Monnk (Red Leader) have stood by: "Then she [Ahsoka] heard Captain Rex reporting from the Jedi cruiser. "All squadrons are in position, General Fisto," Rex reported to the team leader. "You may deploy when ready."" Nahdar Vebb (talk) 08:12, August 9, 2012 (UTC)

Trivia
I recently got comfirmation from Drew Karpyshyn that it Theron Shan's father will be revealed in The Old Republic: Annihilation may I add that in the Behind the Scenes section or would it be considered trivia? DarthRevan1173 (talk) 04:53, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Picture for my Userbox
Hello, I am trying to upload an image of myself to use in my user infobox, when I tried to upload it, a got a message that said, "This action is seen as harmful and is prohibited. If you feel your edit is not, please see an admin for assistance." that is the just of the message. Can you please help me? Matt Seay (talk) 23:07, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Concurrent Ryloth
I just noticed the concurrent battles taking place between the TCW Battle of Ryloth. It really does not make a whole lot of sense if you think about it. How could Anakin, ect, be at 324242 places at once? :P  JangFett  (Talk) 15:51, August 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Meh, that's weird. I'll try and reintroduce myself to TCW soon enough. :P  JangFett  (Talk) 19:12, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Star Wars: The Ultimate Visual Guide: Updated and Expanded
I'm afraid I must be the last active Wookieepedian to see this, but I've noted the changes going on around the wiki due to the newly established timeline of Star Wars: The Ultimate Visual Guide: Updated and Expanded. And I need some help if you've got enough time for me. I understand the order of events in TCW series and I've gotten that the omissions of the book are still existent in the timeline, but I just need to know if I'm missing anything with the latter. Is there anything that has been excluded from the timeline? Are there any major changes to the canon Clone Wars timeline, in either comics or episodes? I've seen the Forum:SH:TCW Timeline 2012 page, but I was a little tardy to that party (in other words, it was so long since the last post, no one would have seen my input). Sorry for taking your time with this, I'm reeeeeeeeeeally behind here. (If you answer in a nutshell, I completely understand.) Bane7670 (talk) 22:20, August 14, 2012 (UTC)

Images & Edits
Looks like I may just not edit anymore, I spend so much time getting screenshots, it really takes a while for me to find a good shot and then they just get removed. Sometimes I make an edit and it gets removed. I thought I was doing some good around here but guess I am not. I don't mean to sound harsh or come off as an a-hole but if my efforts are being wasted then I might as well not even try. I hope you don't take this message too personal and I am not attacking you or anyone else in anyway, I am just trying to make a point. I hope you understand. Matt Seay (talk) 04:35, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Possibility of a copy-edit?
Do you do copy-edits? Or could you at least take a quick look at the Hand of Judgment article I've been working on and see if there is anything major I need to fix before putting it up for FAN? Please, thank you.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:07, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay. Thanks a lot! "Members" section sounds like a good idea, so I'll do at least that and see for your other points before nominating. Thanks. We'll see again in the FAN later on.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:19, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Please help! I tried to use that ref-thing you said, but somehow I messed it up. Now it doesn't work at all, and I have no idea what I did wrong with it. I've never used that cite ref thing before, I've only referenced books and such.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:30, August 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't know... Honestly. That ref has been driving me crazy after you told me to fix it. But it seems to work now, so maybe it's all good. I hope...--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:49, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Merge
Hey CC7567 can you help out with merging Skirmish on Korriban and Battle of Korriban (Old Sith Wars). I just got email comfirmation from Drew Karpyshyn that they are the same. DarthRevan1173 (Long live Lord Revan) 08:01, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * All right already done that. Just left the message since I was told to contact an admin so they can do the merge. DarthRevan1173 (Long live Lord Revan) 21:45, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Should I put the merge template on both articles or just the one that needs to be deleted? DarthRevan1173 (Long live Lord Revan) 22:03, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Just one last question. I should remove all content from page and replace with the redirect right? Just asking since I have never done a redirect before. DarthRevan1173 (Long live Lord Revan) 22:09, August 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Got it. Thank you for your time. DarthRevan1173 (Long live Lord Revan) 22:11, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Meeting 49
Hilarious Entertaining AC Meeting 49&trade; is scheduled for August 25 at 8 PM UK time like usual. Please make an effort to show up. Cheers, 1358  (Talk)  22:49, August 17, 2012 (UTC)

Edits reverted
I thank you for reverting my edits. I wasn't aware that the article Exorcism wasn't canonical, as there was no indication of otherwise, so I added it to its supposely rightful place. Good catch. Winterz (talk) 03:01, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

Talkpages
Hey CC7567 got a question for you. It's about creating talkpages with the talkheader and project template. It is fine to create those every now and then right? Got chewed out by a user earlier about them cluttering up the recent activity pages. Haven't made that many of them and my mainspace edits far outnumber my talkpage edits. Wanted your opinion on it to make sure I haven't broken any policies, or crossed any lines. If you can get back to me it would be greatly appreciated. DarthRevan1173 (Long live Lord Revan) 07:03, August 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * CC, I would just like to give you a heads up on the situation. I was not intending to be rude or to "chew out" DarthRevan, I was simply politely asking him to stop creating unnecessary talk pages at the large quantities that he has been - i.e. one for every new article in the last two hours. My asking him this was a culmination of the general discussion in the IRC, and it appears that the lateness of the hour made me be rather abrupt with him. Also, as the conversation progressed, my attempts at incredulity and honest questions now appear to be quite easily mistaken for sarcasm and an antagonistic attitude, which was not my intention. I was quite simply surprised that DR seemed to ignore Culator's semi-subtle advice to stop, and DR and I might have turned the conversation antagonistic. Not that I am asking you to do anything about the matter, I just wished to explain my side of the situation better. Thanks, Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 20:16, August 21, 2012 (UTC)

Galaxy
Please explain the deletion of my page. I based my statements on information gathered from authentic sources (the Atlas and the Bane books), and found information was missing from the map. I have been working to include this missing info in an updated version of the map. I don't understand how this could be considered nonsense.

Lightsaber pages
Hey CC7567 wanted your opinion on something. For a while I have been thinking of creating a couple lightsaber pages. Do they have to be truly notable to deserve an article? Don't want to create them then have them deleted. It is of my opinion that the lightsaber is as unique as the Jedi that created it. Just wanted to see where you stand on it before I do anything. DarthRevan1173 (Long live Lord Revan) 07:03, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * But what is considered true nobility about them though. What one user may see as nobility other might not. I think that I shall do some research on the Jedi whose lightsaber page I am considering creating and see if it it is notable. You have given me much to consider. Thank you for your time. DarthRevan1173 (Long live Lord Revan) 08:06, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Queue
Thanks for fixing my GA queuing failures again. I think third time will be the charm. :P Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:04, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

WookieeProject Books
Hey CC7567 I have noticed how there isn't a wookieeproject for books and feel that this site would benefit from one. Can anyone create the project or is there certain criteria that you must meet before you create one? And is there an archive I can check to see if the project has been submitted by someone else before me? DarthRevan1173 (Long live Lord Revan) 22:47, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I second this idea. If any of the 'bigger' guys started it, I'd surely help. Winterz (talk) 22:51, August 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I saw that page. OK am thinking of creating it since it would benefit the site and I'm sure more users including Winterz would be drawn to it. DarthRevan1173 (Long live Lord Revan) 23:16, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Padawan Lost
Here are the images you requested. On the first one of Plo Koon, I'm not sure if this is the exact shot you meant, or a few frames later showing Anakin as well. I have that one too, though because Koon is moving, he isn't as clear and sharp as he is in this one. I wasn't sure which "Morning After" shot you wanted, so I grabbed these two. If you had another shot in mind, let me know. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 04:01, August 23, 2012 (UTC)

Timeline of Books
Do we really need the game books of the Star Wars adventures in the timeline? All they tell you is how to play the game that you got when you signed up for them. DarthRevan1173 (Long live Lord Revan) 01:12, August 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's already been brought up there by another user who never got an answer. DarthRevan1173 (Long live Lord Revan) 03:13, August 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say it's necessary, but the timeline should be for stories, not game books. I think that I will start a thread if I don't get a response after posting it on the Timeline's talk page. Probably should have started it there. Thank you for your time. DarthRevan1173 (Long live Lord Revan) 03:38, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

Great Jedi Purge Edit War
I just wanted to call your administrative attention to the edit war that has begun on the Great Jedi Purge article. If I'm in the wrong, I full accept it, but as far as I know, it's common practice to allow non-canon sections within article as long as they are designated as such. I was hoping to get your opinion/ruling on this situation.--Demos Traxen (talk) 16:51, August 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help on that matter. I appreciate the clarification of the rules, as well.--Demos Traxen (talk) 19:35, August 26, 2012 (UTC)

http://blogs.evtrib.com
Would blogs.evtrib.com be a canon source site that I could use to cite some character appearances for Star Wars: Detours? DarthRevan1173 (Long live Lord Revan) 08:04, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Administrator template image
The file File:BaneHatlessHS-CotF.jpg was deleted and replaced by File:BaneHatlessHS-CotF.png. This is used in your administrator template on your user page, so wanted to give you the heads up. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 04:54, August 29, 2012 (UTC)

Revert
Yeah, I misread it. Sorry about that CC.  JangFett  (Talk) 15:02, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Season Five is a last season according to Hasbro?!
Hey there CC!

Since when does this site support speculation that is unconfirmed by anybody as worthy source of information?! Somebody over at a Q&A speculating that S5 is the last season is not a good source. Nobody like George Lucas, Dave Filoni or even a CN head has said that Season Five will be the last season. I think it should be removed cause it only causes unneeded panic in loyal TCW fans. When the show gets a cancellation from CN or is stopped officially by Lucas then it should be noted but as of now it just as good as fanboys speculating on TFN or Rebelscum.

Just wondering. Have a nice day! --Dan Grievous (talk) 00:02, August 31, 2012 (UTC)

Project Novels
By any chance would you like to join the project. Have asked several users if they want to join. Only one responded saying that he would like to join and never did. I'm just assuming that no one is joining since the project so far is led by me and not someone higher up the chain. Just get back to me when you can if you interested in joining. DarthRevan1173 05:12, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Just figured I'd ask. Asked a few more users if no one joins. I guess I'll just lead the project until it gets deleted. I don't know if that's what happens to projects that no one joins. Just guessing. DarthRevan1173 RevanTOR001.jpg (Long live Lord Revan) 22:56, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

Akris clean up
Hi CC7567. I noticed you put a clean up tag on the Akris Ur'etu article and wondered what exactly I needed to do to improve it as I've looked at the Manual of style and am not sure exactly what else needs correcting. Ayrehead02 (talk) 17:20, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks I'll make sure to concentrate on those things in future articles as the articles be cleaned up now. Ayrehead02 (talk) 23:18, September 2, 2012 (UTC)

Ki-Adi-Mundi
Later that same year, Kenobi appeared before Mundi and the Council to warn them of the danger posed by Granta Omega a Sith fanatic, also son of a Dark Jedi. Who Kenobi believed was planning to dominate the galactic bacta market through the mining of titanite on the volcanic world of Haariden.

Would this fit appropriately.--92.0.142.29 19:07, September 3, 2012 (UTC)

Ewoks
I'm sorry for trying to expand the wiki. What is the point if we cannont add pages. Why did they have to be deleted. Just because they didn't have a name? Creating the page now saves having to search through endless unattributed images later when the character is finally named. Should not all characters that appeared in the films have a page? I suppose we should go an delele all the the other unidentified character pages (such as the unidentifed woklings - pages I did not create mind you) then also should I until there are no pages left on this wiki? Having a page with visual images and what little info we have on such characters plus the time they appeared in the movies would allow others to gather more info on these characters than if these pages did not exist at all. Jartka&#39;irn (talk) 10:47, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for taking the time to explain your point of view. If I choose to recreate those articles (once Gethralkin decides to refrain from randomly slapping delete tags around without justification) I will attempt to flesh them out to a higher standard. Jartka&#39;irn (talk) 03:58, September 13, 2012 (UTC)

Battle of Falleen
Hi, wouldn't it be easier if in the outcome category that it would just say "Separatist" or "Republic" victory instead of typing the whole name?--71.80.172.90 23:46, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Joining WookieProject The Clone Wars
To CC7567

Can I join the WookieProject The Clone Wars? --CT-2224 (talk) 02:16, September 16, 2012 (UTC)CT-2224

Account confusion
I apologize for the confusion. Do not be alarmed.

The other account Dan Grievous is the one that was temporary cause I thought you guys had deleted my old account due to violation of editing or something like that. But after many tries later, this account is still active and I will use it - Dangrievous.

BTW: How does one get the ability to add pictures back? Is it a permenant ban? Do a select few are allowed to upload pictures?

Thank you for your time and have a nice day! --Dangrievous (talk) 11:12, September 17, 2012 (UTC)

Hey
Hey, CC. Just wanted to give you a heads up that there's a new Rex image that would go really well in the JanFathal section of your Rex article project. Bella&#39;Mia (talk) 02:56, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Image uploading
I did it correctly with File:VizslaSeason5.png, right? Jeyo (talk) 00:46, September 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm sorry, I forgot the colon. Won't happen agin. Jeyo (talk) 00:48, September 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Okay, thanks. Jeyo (talk) 01:20, September 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Like this? Jeyo (talk) 18:43, September 19, 2012 (UTC)


 * Alrighty then. Thanks. Jeyo (talk) 03:26, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Request
I know you didn't participate in the voting on the main image for Echo. It's been almost a month since the vote was started, and probably 2 weeks since anyone last voted. The new option presented was voted for more than 3 to 1, so I was wondering if you would mind closing it up by changing the main image. I'm asking you, because a) you're impartial on the subject and b) your a well-respected admin. Thanks. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 04:05, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

AC Meeting 50
AC Meeting 50 is scheduled for this Saturday, September 22, at the usual time, 4 PM ET. Apologies for the short notice. Please remember to leave notes if you cannot attend. Thanks. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:10, September 20, 2012 (UTC)

Administrator
Are you the actual administrators of this Wiki? Their is an important news.

Cad Bane
Hey I could'nt help but notice that you added Star Wars: The Clone Wars Comic UK 6.38 as a redlink source to Cad Bane's page and I must inquire as to where you got the info? The comic is supposed to come out today and I'd like to make a page for it, plus it's my mom's birthday!!!74.72.159.47 12:19, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Eras template
What is the point of the eras template if we aren't allowed to put in on species and other pages to help identify what era it was in? DarthRevan1173 (Long live Lord Revan) 13:56, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * The page that I had tagged has only appeared in one era so far. According to the eras template talkpage it says that we should tag the articles with the eras we know they appeared in regardless if their species, weapons, tech, characters, and so on. I was under the impression that marking them like that is what we are supposed to do. But I'm probably wrong, seem to have been alot lately. DarthRevan1173 RevanTOR001.jpg (Long live Lord Revan) 14:07, September 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yea that helped clear it up. Thanks for the help. DarthRevan1173 RevanTOR001.jpg (Long live Lord Revan) 14:22, September 21, 2012 (UTC)

Meeting 52
Inq meeting 52 is scheduled for 7 PM ET next Saturday. Be there if you can.  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 00:23, September 23, 2012 (UTC)

Alrighty then!
Ok then I'll stop, but I don't see why every single time a person edits something his/her own edit gets deleted, even if its a FACT in which Wookieepedia requires.70.196.2.173 16:24, September 29, 2012 (UTC)

Re: "Plan of Dissent" images
Here you go. The second and third images are the ones specifically requested. The other two were the secondary request. Enjoy. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 03:56, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Today's GA
Thanks for killing the redirect and the March 4 stuff on the queue page. I don't normally intrude on the AC/Inq's areas like this, but the redlink on the Main Page needed to be fixed ASAP. I updated the "recently showcased" articles on today's and each of the next three days, updated the article name on the queue page, and updated the date on the article's talk page. Are there any other steps I missed? Not being an AC, I'm not entirely familiar with all the steps needed to do something like this. &mdash;MJ&mdash; War Room Wednesday, October 3, 2012, 01:01 UTC

Sagoro and Jace
Thanks for the reminder. I have those comics on my hard drive, so I was planning on waiting until I had internet in my new apartment before updating the sourcing, instead of bringing my external hard drive with me to an internet cafe. However, since I still don't have internet at home, it might be time to abandon that pipe dream. I'll work on (and hopefully finish) Jace today, but Sagoro might take a few more days, if that's OK. Menkooroo (talk) 03:39, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

Two queue
Hey, CC. I just archived Mak Plain's FAN and added him to the FA queue. It looks like he's the first article to pass a FAN shortly after passing a GAN since we established the GA queue, meaning that he's on both queues right now and set to be featured on the Main Page twice. This isn't something we anticipated when setting up the GA queue, but it might make sense to remove him from the GA queue now that he's an FA. Let me know what you think. Since you're an AC, feel free to make the necessary change if you'd like (I left GoodOn on his talk page for now, btw). Menkooroo (talk) 13:12, October 3, 2012 (UTC)

The Essential Reader's Companion
Since the companion has been out for a day now, would it be ok to remove the references in the appearances app or should we wait for someone to comfirm that they were in the book? DarthRevan1173 (Long live Lord Revan) 00:33, October 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Allright will do that. Will wait till I get my copy I ordered so that I can comfirm that they were in it. DarthRevan1173 RevanTOR001.jpg (Long live Lord Revan) 00:38, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Deletion request (Yahi'i)
Hello, since you are online now, could you delete the Yahi'i redirect article, so that I can move Yahi'i stalk there? Thank you for your time.-- Exiled Jedi   (Greetings)  17:00, October 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  17:03, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

Iziz
Iziz was under the control of the Separatists as shown in A War on Two Fronts.--98.148.127.135 18:22, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

Cwa
Hey, what is your name on CWA? I would like to add you.

--Thorn Set 04:50, October 7, 2012 (UTC)Cr1TiKaL

New images
With the images from TCW film that I'm working on now, many of them will be used across several pages, so I'm trying to methodically work on them to get the single-use images done first. I wanted to update all the ones that are on your Rex workbench at once, so as to not have to make several smaller edits. So even if I upload an image and mark the JPG version for deletion, and it gets redlinked on your bench, I'll get to them. I'm saving those into a folder, so I'll know which ones need to be updated later on your workbench and Trayus' Ventress workbench. Just wanted to give you the head's up. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 02:22, October 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey there CC, I thought this might be a good image showing Rex in Zygerrian armor for use on your workbench. Shows him more clearly than the shot of him riding Brezak, in which you wouldn't know it was him if not for the caption. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 03:29, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Re:Hume Tarl
Thanks for pointing that out, CC. Btw, TCW is getting increasly stupid (whatever the heck I watched a few days ago included).  JangFett  (Talk) 14:41, October 10, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Years
No problem. Sorry, I've been adding the years for the companions from the Encyclopedia, but I just realized that the book is set in 3,640, so stuff is being shifted. Once I'm done, I'll rework the Years template. Thanks for the deletions. Cade  Calrayn   21:30, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Ryloth, again
Hey CC, yeah I've been keeping an eye on that. It does look a little ridiculous, but I would caution against separating it into two articles. Yes, it would be prettier and less complex, but don't all sources refer to the Battle of Ryloth? Whatever distinction we make in the articles would be largely arbitrary so I think keeping it as a single article would be best. The other alternative is to treat it like a Campaign and list the Invasion of Ryloth, the Liberation of Nabat, the Battle of Lessu, and the Battle of Resdin as component conflicts. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 18:48, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Hi.
Hi CC(If I may call you that). I was wondering if it would be appropriate and/or allowed if I made a few new categories for somewhat minor things. 1. "Category:People killed by Darth Vader". The name could be changed to implement only jedi killed, aswell as having the name changed to "People(or jedi) killed by Anakin Skywalker", which would include his years as Darth Vader. I am also wondering if I could do a similar category for "Jedi killed by General Grievous"(or just grievous). Sorry for these minor questions. SWFan98 (talk) 23:14, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Um, help
I uploaded an image of Starkiller inside the Darkside Cave, and it was deleted for some reason, could you assist me? The Vital Element 01:35, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you very much sir The Vital Element 01:41, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Did I do that right? The Vital Element 01:48, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

O.k, thank you for all your assistance, I greatly appreciate it! The Vital Element 01:55, October 15, 2012 (UTC)

Source inquiry
I am considering nominating Unidentified Twi'lek girl (Cham Syndulla) for CA status. But before I do, I wanted to check with you, and see if you are aware of any other appearances, or any sources that mention her, or have any further information about her. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 22:55, October 17, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Vote counts
Whoops. I've been forgetting to update the vote count. Thanks for notifying me about that.  Commander Code-8  To say hi, press 42 04:54, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Images
Hey CC7567. Really sorry about the images:( I really am trying to be a good Wookieepedian by fixing small stubs and articles. I thouroghly enjoy fixing small stubs and articles. I thought that I could just upload them and put them on a relevant page. I am kinda sad that I am breaking the rules. Do you think that you could give me instructions on how to upload images properly or direct me to a page that would teach me how to do it correctly.

Again really sorry about the images,

Wolf Screech (talk) 15:27, October 18, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey you probably saw on my talk page that I had troubles with photos earlier. Yeah. I looked at those pages you sent me and I was wondering. On the Upload file page If I want to upload a file do I have to go to that page every time if I want to upload an image. Or can I just upload it from the Latest photos box. And for when I upload images when you click upload beneath the image is a description box. Do I copy and past Template:Information in the description box?

Really hope I don't get blocked for this:(,

Wolf Screech (talk) 15:43, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

You were so helpful:) I don't know why in the world why I never asked anyone to help me with this*~*
 * Thank you sooooo much:) Now I know how to do this for once.

Wolf Screech (talk) 21:24, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Userpage

 * Hey me again. I was wondering for my userpage, how do I make those little boxes that say stuff like "This user is a lightsaber fanatic" I really want to do my userpage soon so I thought I should probably know the basics, unlike the photo incident. *_*

Thanks,

Wolf Screech (talk) 21:27, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Alrighty then I think I am set.

Sooooo sorry for constantly bugging you,

Wolf Screech (talk) 21:36, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

Meeting 53
Hey CC,

An early heads-up that Inq Meeting 53 has been scheduled for Saturday, November third at the usual time. Hope to see you there, and if not, be sure to leave some notes beforehand. Cheers. Menkooroo (talk) 12:14, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

User
Ok, thank you--12.71.5.221 17:52, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

Oh--12.71.5.221 17:55, October 21, 2012 (UTC)

RE: TCW's airdates
Oh sorry, wasn't aware that imdb was not a reliable source :/ You are, however, wrong about IMDB. For editing there you also need to source the info, plus only users who subscribe (and therefore pay) and have specific authorizations, can edit that kind of information. I wasn't able to find the airdates on the Cartoon Network so I removed them. Winterz (talk) 14:27, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

GA queue
Hey, CC. Thanks for rearranging the GA queue. Just FYI, I was aware of it but held off from adding in the old GAs because I'm giving Rikkar-Du, for one, a close inspection and may be taking it to probation, but I'm waiting on someone with Legacy experience to speak with first before making any decisions. So that article, at least, might get the boot. At any rate, we can always rearrange further if need be. Thanks. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:14, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess we can go ahead and queue it now. If it ends up coming off, it's not too much work to rearrange things. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:07, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

CT-7719 FAN
Hey, CC7567. I was wondering if you would be able to take a look at my FAN, CT-7719. It's one vote away from passing the grade (I think?). As a fellow fan of the clones, I'd love to have your input/deciding vote. Thanks! --Demos Traxen (talk) 16:20, October 25, 2012 (UTC)

A Question
I was wondering if a world was located within Republic or Separatist space on the Clone Wars map from the Atlas, then can it be stated that it was a member of that group?Darth Pythonis (talk) 18:05, October 27, 2012 (UTC)

Confusion
Thanks for answering my question, but I'm still somewhat confused on the issue. On this forum, they discussed that if a system is shown on the maps, then it was aligned with that organization, which contradicts what you said. Which one is the correct reasoning? Thanks again.--Darth Pythonis (talk) 14:55, October 28, 2012 (UTC)

Unidentified character articles
Hi! Sorry to bother you, but I recently got back to the Wiki after being absent for about 4 months and I noticed that a lot of the unidentified character articles that I wrote had been nominated for deletion. Is there any way I can get back to creating articles without them ending up nominated? I did take care so that the articles I made were only about characters that were notable (following my personal notability policy), but apparently many users felt that the articles were still unneeded. Can you give me some advice on this matter? -TheMasterMind (talk) 16:43, October 29, 2012 (UTC)

Production order
Hi! Could you please help me a little? Could you tell me where can watch the production order of the episodes of Clone Wars? Thanks in advance. --XXLVenom998 (talk) 15:52, October 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * I know that the episodes have the prod. number. But I remember that there was a list somewhere, where all the episodes released so far, from all seasons were in one list, following each other according to the prod. numbers. It was a listjust like a Season-list, with images and release dates, but in prod. order. Therefore, the order was not the same as at the Seasons. (because, eg. the Revival was released before A War on Two Fronts, but the later is before Revival in prod. order. Understand now? And I'm looking for the list where "A War on Two Fronts is before Revival", if you understand what I mean. I think I saw that list somewhere among your pages. Correct me if I'm wrong. Thanks. --XXLVenom998 (talk) 16:04, October 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, yeah, that's what I talked about! Thanks a lot! I was intereted in this exactly. Thanks. :) --XXLVenom998 (talk) 16:17, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

User
What? I don't understand. I did everything that I was asked. The Battle of Jabiim took place around 22 BBY. I was trying to add the right source. Four weeks after the Clone Wars. Tell me I did it right.--12.71.5.221 17:39, October 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm still confused. I mean, in The Clone Wars TV series, Asajj Ventress was betrayed by Count Dooku around circa 21 BBY, so that means, its possible that Yoda: Dark Rendezvous possibly took place around 22 BBY.--12.71.5.221 17:47, October 30, 2012 (UTC)


 * I see! Well, when I had a look at the Asajj Ventress, there were some parts that I was totally confused with. During a Mission to Vjun, Battle of Rendili, those two battles took place around 20 BBY. Then around 21 BBY during a battkle on Kamino, it took place around 21 BBY. This is why I got puzzled with the dates in stuff. But like you said, the dates might be changed.--12.71.5.221 17:59, October 30, 2012 (UTC)

Tan Divo
Hey, just letting you know that I've addressed the objection for checking the Star Wars: The Clone Wars Official Episode Guide Series 1 & 2 source. Coruscantfan (Talk) 05:26, November 1, 2012 (UTC)

T-6 shuttle and Halsey
Hey CC, hope all is going well. I noticed a while back that you added update tags to both the T-6 shuttle and Halsey articles. Unfortunately, I've been extremely busy and have been unable to acquire the necessary sources to perform both updates. I don't suppose you'd be willing to update the articles for me? If not, that's fine; I'd just hate to see them lose GA status. See you around. Grand Moff Tranner (Comlink) 15:56, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, CC. Everything looks good. I owe you big time. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 01:47, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Infoboxes
Hi! While editing, I can't access the Hutt Carter character infobox and several other infoboxes from the preload section. Where can I find, access and load these infoboxes? Thanks in advance. --XXLVenom998 (talk) 17:05, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, it helped a lot! Just because some were missing in the preload section. Thanks, I'm glad you help me when I need. --XXLVenom998 (talk) 18:44, November 4, 2012 (UTC)

Comics Companion
Hey, CC. Is there any chance I could trouble you for info from the Comics Companion? I'm just wondering if the Crimson Empire II stuff has any information on either Burr Nolyds or Xandel Carivus, and if the The Last Command stuff has anything on Samuel Tomas Gillespee. Thanks for any help you can give. Menkooroo (talk) 14:04, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries at all! Looks like Bob got it. Thanks so much. :D Menkooroo (talk) 23:43, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

Ropal confirmation request
Hey, CC. Would you mind confirming whether this edit is kosher or not? I figure something needs altering, like perhaps removing the original ref note. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:18, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Nevermind. It's been reverted. :P Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:20, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * As long as it's fixed and you're on top of it, that's all I need to hear. Thanks. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:01, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

User
Thank you CC7567!--166.147.72.24 01:23, November 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sir yes sir--166.147.72.24 01:28, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Finn Ertay
OK, there were no viable options from "Wookiee Hunt." The only reason I'm partial to the second image is that with the brightness/contrast tweaks I've made, she's not as neon green as in Culator's version currently in use - therefore I believe this is a truer representation color-wise. Option three is an alternate option, and closer in headshot, but as she was in movement during the shot, there is some blurriness to it. There are no ideal options for an infobox image, but these are the best we're going to get, unless/until she gets an entry in the Encyclopedia. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 03:42, November 10, 2012 (UTC)

Disney ACmoot
ACmoot inbound. Please bring a weapon of your choice for article slaying.&mdash; Cal Jedi (Personal Comm Channel) 00:11, November 14, 2012 (UTC)

User replies
Thank you! I under stand what I did to the Broadside page. I added the wrong source. I should be very slow of what I'm suppose to do. Thanks for fixing it by the way.--12.71.5.221 17:23, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Really! Okay, I'm still confused of what I'm doing right or wrong. I followed the ref from any battle that took place in 22 BBY. That's what it said.--12.71.5.221 17:33, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

I had a look at it. I understand a bit. So all I have to do is add a reflist in Notes and references. Is that what you want me to do?--12.71.5.221 17:37, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Ok! Thank you sir--12.71.5.221 17:44, November 15, 2012 (UTC)

Really. Oh, thank you--12.71.5.221 18:16, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Thank you!--12.71.5.221 18:27, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Simple question
Hey, can you link me to a gallery of Sith lightsaber hilts? I'm trying to research their styling. Thanks. Joe Copp 03:26, November 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand. Greatly appreciated. Joe Copp 03:46, November 17, 2012 (UTC)

Attack on Florrum
Can the "Second Battle of Florrum" be a better name for this battle? 98.148.127.135 00:03, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

The Desolation of Hoth
Hey dude, I see you added a verify tag to the Desolation of Hoth but its a legit product. Just google it and the first thing that should come up is the article for it on the Fantasy Flight Games website. I'd add it myself, but unrigestered users can't add links. Thanks 199.241.28.189 01:11, November 24, 2012 (UTC)


 * I took care of this. I'll leave it to someone that works with game articles more often to pick an appropriate category, though. &mdash;MJ&mdash; Council Chambers 01:52, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

User
Yes sir--108.83.177.92 16:38, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Award
CC, I am enormously grateful that you decided to bestow on me the Master and Apprentice award. We already spoke on these things, but I wanted to reiterate that I think you are, hands down, one of our finest writers, editors, and community leaders, and Wookieepedia simply would not be where it is today without you. It's always my pleasure to help talented newcomers along, and it's a great source of pride for me to see them turn into such fine Wookieepedians and, in turn, the type of person whom the next generation of editors look to when they need guidance, as you doubtless are. I honestly did not remember blocking you until you reminded me and I went and looked it up myself ( :P ), but I think the fact that I've completely forgotten about it just goes to show how much of an excellent user you've become. As much as I humbly value the recognition that comes with any award, the time I've spent and friendship I've forged with that person is what's really important to me. You're a good person, a good friend, and I'm glad I've gotten to know you. Thank you again. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 03:02, November 25, 2012 (UTC)

TCW Season Five
Hi there! I have just found the following episodes list for TCW S05 here:. I think it is one of the most official sources, and it contains release dates, order and even characters who will show up in the series. With the help of this source, you could advance the page. Tell me what You think please. I hope my search was useful. Regards, --XXLVenom998 (talk) 18:33, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, I almost forgot, to view the next episode (I don't want to link all), obviously, just click on the "Next Page" arrow under the "Watchlist" option. --XXLVenom998 (talk) 18:35, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, all right. I just thought that IMDB was quite an official source if we consider films and TV programmes. I hope it was not a problem that I also posted this to Cal Jedi and JangFett too. BTW, other thing: if my Talk Page reaches a number of messages, will they delete or will they archive themselves (or will I have to archive them)? Thanks, --XXLVenom998 (talk) 19:22, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh. Then, can you or someone else help me? Or can it just stay as it is, in a long list, or will it delete itself? Another thing (sorry for disturbing): what are the requirements for someone to become an administrator? (I don't want to be one, I am just interested in it.) Thanks, regards, --XXLVenom998 (talk) 19:32, November 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot, you've helped me quite a lot. Also, I hope it is not a problem if I create minor articles for TCW, such as various battle droids, pirates, rebels, dancers, acrobats, HMPs, side characters etc. as you can see at some episodes of Season Five now. Also, there are 3 or 4 redlinks I think in the Character appearances section of Bound for Rescue - please do not delete those from the list, I will make the articles this week. Thank you. --XXLVenom998 (talk) 19:43, November 26, 2012 (UTC)

3 edit
Thanks for telling me about the Three-Revert Rule, as I did not know about it. 174.111.248.121 22:25, November 27, 2012 (UTC)

Flip Book
No, I don't. I was just transcribing from that book's Appearances section. It probably doesn't have anything new, but it's available on Amazon for a penny plus shipping though. It won't put whoever gets it out much. NaruHina Talk  22:19, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Hi! Is there any guide to make your signature unique like some Administrators and users have on Wookieepedia? (I mean colorful, thick type etc.) XXLVenom998 (talk) 17:57, November 29, 2012 (UTC)--

Editing errors
Sorry for disturbing, but can you tell me where can I contact a maintenance team? While editing pages, some toolbars are missing for me, eg. infobox preloads, signature button, etc. as shown on this picture (the area where the red circle is put): here Could you please help me? It extremely annoys me, plus I can't continue editing without infobox preloads and so on. I hope the Wookieepedi team can fix it soon. Thanks, XXLVenom998 (talk) 18:12, November 29, 2012 (UTC)-- (put signature manually, because button is not available...)
 * Thanks a lot! About the error, I don't know which skin I use, I just edit the pages as usual. But the problem is over, i see the infobox preloads and the toolbar again. Thanks for the help. --XXLVenom998 (talk) 14:35, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Ando (star) in "The Clone Wars: Decide Your Destiny: The Lost Legion"
Hi CC! I noticed you have access to The Clone Wars: Decide Your Destiny: The Lost Legion. Could you please tell me whether the star of Ando system is featured in the book (maybe it's mentioned indirectly as "sun" etc.)? Thanks!  Imperators II (Talk) 18:02, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

Picture Uploading
I'm new here so perhaps I don't know everything, but when I try uploading a picture it never works, even when I follow the guidelines to the letter, why is it so hard to upload a picture anyway? Every other wiki I've worked has had a much simpler uploading procedure. --Warpath 14:53, December 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * But I've tried doing it that way, I've filled out all the information needed and it still won't upload. --Warpath 15:11, December 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Yep, that's one thing I've had to do on Every Wiki I've worked on.--Warpath 15:17, December 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * Ok thanks, How do I get to Monobook though?--Warpath 15:22, December 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think I found the reason I can't upload, it says I need to perform a certain amount o edits before I can upload pictures. --Warpath 16:23, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Crucible
Hi there. I noticed you reverted my edit about the Crucible. If you look closely in Revival, you can see the remains of the ship, please take a look at post 2667 on this page: http://boards.theforce.net/threads/season-5-major-spoilers-video-clips.50003192/page-107 Ressor (talk) 22:48, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

User
Look, i'm sorry. I don't know what I did wrong. I'll try and be careful. I just thought the Rodian was from Rodia.--12.71.5.221 16:50, December 2, 2012 (UTC)

Dating of "Secret Weapons"
Hello, CC. How have you been? Do you happen to know what year the episode was in so that I can properly update CC-8826's article?
 * OK, I've added the relevant info, might need to add more. Will add the info to the BTS, as well as the headshot.&mdash; 11:30, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

Verify template
Hi there! I just noticed that the "verify" template here is incorrect, as there should be this: Is there any way to correct it? --XXLVenom998 (talk) 14:29, December 4, 2012 (UTC)