Talk:Haazen

Failed padawan
Could someone please give the reasons behind Lucien calling his former master a "failed padawan"? Surely he didn't fail in the sense of not passing the trials. He is still living after the Great Sith War and even trained Lucien, who is now himself a Jedi Master, in the ways of the Force.

Is there any explanation of this remark given in the comic? If so, could it either be placed here or on the article page?--Master Dakari 03:21, 5 November 2006 (UTC) I'd like to make note that even with parts of Darth Sion covered, the bionics would still be inconsistant: Haazen's right shoulder is completely rebuilt, while Sion's is obviously organic. Add in the fact that Sion has no facial reconstruction while Haazen does, and I think that should quell any speculation that he is Sion. --Justice He looks exactly like Sion, besides the white hair and right shoulder. It's possible that he could still get another replacement for his prosthetic shoulder, and having a prosthetic right arm would also explain the large black glove that covers most of Sion's right arm. He has his white/red eye in exactly the same place also.Drewton 13:16, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Possibly Haazen had been a Padawan and then left the Order but was still training under someone else, much like Lucien had, except in reverse (Lucien had been trained in the ways of the Jedi by Haazen but was not officially a Jedi until Vandar gave the probitionary trial). So, I guess he can't really be called a Jedi Master.-- Redemption Talk [[Image:Uglykotoricon.svg|15px]] 03:49, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll change it back to simply say "Jedi". I haven't read the comics yet (no good stores around my parts) and only know what I see in the DarkHorse.com previews and read here. I was under the impression he was still a Jedi, and would have naturally become a Master after training Lucien... but I was mistaken. Thanks for letting me know.--Master Dakari 04:22, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Additionally, Sion was featured in the StarWars.com poll regarding which Sith Lord fans wanted to see explored. If they already had Sion's background fleshed out in the comics, I doubt they would have included him as an option. Lonnyd 09:36, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, note in the same poll. I believe Nihilus was an option, as Zayne is normally put into this role, the same could be applied to him as well. NKSCF NK says NK's 'mazin' articles [[Image:sabersmilygreend.jpg]] 15:48, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I personally feel that Master Draay becomes Sion. The are very similar in their features, and I truly believe that Master Vandar's peculiar choice of words [eg. "scion"] were not accidental, but a hint in that direction from Miller. But I do not believe Zayne will end becoming Nihilus. Call me ignorant if you will, but I just don't see it. I don't believe it is in his character.--Master Dakari 02:19, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

i agree, not to metion that haazen's skin shows the begining of sion's cracked and scarred torso. also, if i remember correctly, Haazen was espesially agressive. That is a strong trait of both the dark side of the force and ,more specifically, sion. one last thing. just take a side by side comparison of the picrue of sion and of haazen. For more indepth disscussion of this matter, go to my new user talk page using my linkHK-47 rebuilt 17:19, 12 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I hadn't seen any previous images of Haazen's prosthesis on Wookieepedia; so when I saw it on the cover of issue #33 I thought it looked unusually macabre and bone-like. This guy has a gruesome taste in fake arms.


 * Anyway, with Haazen stripping down to the waist and going over to the dark side we're left with one obvious ending to this plot, or else a crazy plot twist:


 * 1. Haazen does what is expected of him, gets defeated by Zane and left to die in the fire we can see consuming the Draay estate in the image; severely burning his body and searing off all his body hair, leaving him bald and with torn and cracked skin. He loses his old prosthetic arm, which had actually been attached over the stump of his shoulder, and before long gets a new, more humanlike one which attaches directly onto the stump itself. The occular implant he had installed over his severly damaged right eye is also lost, damaging the eye further and removing some of the surrounding tissue to which it had been attached. Keeping himself alive with his pain; he reappears several years later on Malachor V with the master he both fears and resents, Kreia (Krynda?), reborn as the Sith Lord with an inferiority complex we all know and love as Darth Sion.


 * 2. Zayne kills him, and in a peculiar plot twist another Jedi gets cut, thoroughly burned and badly damaged in both the eye and the arm department; becoming Haazen Mk II. Lucien Draay appears to be the popular candidate.


 * Anyway, I know: this isn't a forum. However, with such an entertaining possibility looming over the horizon, I suggest we at least mention the incredible similiarities between Haazen and Sion in the Behind the Scenes section of the article. --Kessel 15:46, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Haazen having similar features to Sion certainly isn't speculation. It's fine to add it in my oppinion.  Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 17:11, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * No. It's sloppy and unnecessary and it is crossing that line between fact and speculation. If I see it, it will be removed. It's promoting the theory. And I'm glad Kessel brought this up...this is not a forum. Slap the nasty speculation elsewhere. Off this site. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 18:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * In the article, I wish to note only the oft-noted similarities in appearance, without drawing any further conclusions. Is this ok with you? --Kessel 22:10, 13 June 2008 (UTC)


 * No. It's unnecessary and the similarities that you might see aren't the same as everyone elses. Like the only similarity I can see between these two guys is the fact that they like going without a shirt and are missing an eye. Drawing these conclusions is very unencyclopedic. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 04:09, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, of course. Thank you for your time. :) --Kessel 09:18, 14 June 2008 (UTC)


 * If Haazen was Sion, I suppose he'd had to have gotten rid of his prosthetic arm and eye and replaced them with that organic material from the Yuuzhan Vong, like Darth Krayt. But that might mean Krayt will get sued for trademark infringement! Besides, I don't even think Sion was that old to have been Haazen. But if he was and by seeing a really old man showing his collapsing corpse of a body?!! GROSS!!! Totally not gonna fly, man. Trust me. 205.201.123.120 22:58, 26 June 2008 (UTC)


 * What is the point you're making? Haazen isn't Sion because he looks old... and ugly? --Kessel 19:18, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * I am getting sick and tired of seeing Sion couldnt be Hazzen because Sion wasnt a cyborg. There is nothing that says Sion wasnt a cyborg, somehow I dont see him as a fashion expert so he didnt where that glove for no reason. - –K.A.J•T•C•E• 19:30, 29 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes, well... don't worry about it. You'll either be proven right or wrong when the time comes. --Kessel 19:33, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Turn to the Dark Side
By the looks of that red lightsaber on the issue #33 cover, I say we list him as a Fallen Jedi. As for the infoboxes, "Sith" or "Dark Jedi character," I don't know. What would you say? 131.109.1.48 18:37, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I say a little bit of patience. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 18:44, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we can mostly know for sure that he's a Dark Jedi or Sith after seeing the cover, but right now, it's still speculation. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 19:05, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've added what can be gathered from the issue #33 blurb, but I agree that we should wait before we alter the infobox. --Kessel 15:50, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you think that Haazen was a spy under Exar Kun during and after the previous war? It would've been like as if he blinded Krynda while she began her idea of building the Covenant, play along for a few decades, and then reveal that she, Lucien, and the others have all been decieved because the Sith still live. Interesting, huh? 216.175.57.2 23:31, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and I bet the only reason he wanted Zayne to be brought alive was so that he could attempt to turn him into his apprentice... 72.82.8.170 00:56, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

Change Infobox?
Shouldn't we change his infobox seeing as he is on the dark side? I recently changed it to Sith, but Goodwood reverted it. Would a Dark Jedi infobox work? CC 0019 21:27, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Ever heard the expression, don't judge a book by it's cover? Until we know for sure whats going on with Haazen (in September or if it's revealed at the end of August's issue) then it has to stay where it is. We can't assume anything. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 04:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I would say that if anything, he's probably going to turn out to be a freelance darksider (Dark Jedi) rather than a Sith. But I agree with Redemption: we should wait until we're given the facts. --Kessel 09:45, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Besides, lightsaber colours on preview covers have been wrong before. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 11:49, 28 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Well it isnt just the cover, the preview itself calls him a servent of the dark side.I agree we shouldnt change the infobox until we know wether he is a dark jedi or a sith. - –K.A.J•T•C•E• 12:42, 28 July 2008 (UTC)