User talk:R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2

Starkeiller, - Sikon 15:51, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Your constant edits
I'm afraid you didn't understand what I said earlier: discuss the changes, and then make them after consensus is reached. Don't just state your opinion and then change the article to fit your personal opinion. I do appreciate that you've signed up and are saying things on talk pages, but please wait for consensus before making those changes. – Aidje talk 17:00, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

--Starkeiller 02:23, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)And who decides when a consensus is reached? That's what I'm afraid of...

--Master Starkeiller 23:33, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)Enemies? Come on, guys! I never thought of it that way! Enemies are a thing to be dispised of! A disgusting think that I never thought of when coming here! Can people hate me because, as you said, I am trying to preserve Palpatine's mystique? Will I get locked for a questionmark, a goddamn questionmark, next to the birthdate of a fictional character that deserves a questionmark next to every stat that exists for him? I would be truly dissapointed with Wiki, then... I thought it worked in a democratic way. Am I deluded, and in truth it is run like some kind of dictatorship? I am hopeful that this is not the case, I will not be kicked out, and through democratic means, discussion, we will reach a consensus that satisfies everyone so that we all can add something to this encyclopedia. No, I am hopeful such a thing as "enemies" doesn't exist here, and I'll keep fighting for that questionmark and Palpatine's mystique. When I talked about slaughtering each other, that was a way I considered humorous that described the sitiation. I remain hopeful everybody interpreted it this way... --Master Starkeiller 00:01, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)I am controlling my emotions. It's just the way I support my opinions, it's too... well, I DO support them. And that fact that I'm alone against quite a few people, which means nothing 'cause it's not about opinions, it's about what can be consididered canon. But I ask for civilized discussion. I'm sorry if I angered some people by strongly supporting my opinion. I invite all of them to discuss it with me. I'm sure everyone can be satisfied in the end and nobody will ever be kicked out. --Master Starkeiller 00:30, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)Then I second that advice, but I assure you I had to fight my emotions too. It was I who started the edit war and this thing made me angry too. Now I calmed down, I apologize, I invite all these people that are angry with me to a discussion, and I state that I'll continue to fight for what is not so much my opinion but a possibility in canon that belongs to an encyclopedia a lot of people access freely for accurate information about the Star Wars universe. --Master Starkeiller 22:20, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)Genius. When it's unlocked, we should do that. But I think we should make it, "Palpatine, once supreme ruler of the galaxy, Darth Sidious, once the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith, was finally dead". It' more neutral and sounds grander. The line is for effect, after all. Everybody would be happy that way. --Master Starkeiller 22:18, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)I propose, "The Emperor, cut off from a host body, was destroyed. Palpatine, once supreme ruler of the galaxy, Darth Sidious, once the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith, was finally dead.". It's like recounting Palpatine's greatest achievements. It sounds grand. But, "Cut off from a host body, Emperor Palpatine, the supreme ruler of the Galactic Empire, was destroyed. Darth Sidious, once the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith, was finally dead." sounds fine too. I'd prefer, "The Emperor, cut off from a host body, was destroyed. Palpatine, once supreme ruler of the galaxy, Darth Sidious, once the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith, was finally dead.", but as long as it is neutral enough, it's good. --Master Starkeiller 23:31, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)When and where did he say that? Plus, G.L. has said maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany things and changes his mind waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too often... --Master Starkeiller 23:41, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)Hmmmm... I'll have to find another source for that... But hey, if he said it, he said "Palpatine". Which is my point for the entire age thing anyway... Persona and true face... --Master Starkeiller 23:50, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)I'm saying... ?. We shouldn't actually know. But the Palpatine the galaxy knew was just a persona and that's been estabilished. And the way all the wrinkles appeared in Ep. III when the lightning deformed him... Wrinkles, especially the ones on the neck, aren't a sign of injury. Just look at him in Ep. III. He looks like he's a hundred years old after the fight with Windu. --Master Starkeiller 23:59, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)Exactly. Merely the clone bodies AGING FASTER and being deformed by the Dark Side rules out the injury theory... Dark Empire and Sithisis rule this theory out. And the fingers, look at his fingers in Ep. III... When he is first deformed, his hands look like they used to in his guise as Palpy the Chancy. Then his hands get deformed too, along with his entire body we must presume. His nails become yellow-green and grow, while the hands become pale and wrinkled, and they seem somewhat swollen. He just looks OLD. Like he revealed his true face and age for Anakin to think he's injured, and then let his real body appear too. Whatever Dark Side-oriented injury took place must have had something to do with the things on his forehead and not with the wrinkles. --Master Starkeiller 21:54, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)I'm just so happy to hear that... As a matter of fact, we know NOTHING about Palpatine, and we shouldn't. I'd love to see some stories about him in the future, but always in the pattern of Sithisis and the scene in Labyrinth of Evil where he kills a guy who learns his true identity. Thank you for supporting me.
 * Listen, I understand that you are trying to preserve Palpatine's mystique. I respect that. I respect your desire to improve, and that you stick to your beliefs. And I do not consider you a trouble maker. But I am worried that you are making enemies here. You may have to make a compromise here and there. The Star Wars community is volatile enough. I don't know if users can get locked out, but I'm woories that you might be the first. User:SFH
 * Okay, maybe enemies was a bad choice of word on my part. But you are angering some people. You are going against the opinion of a lot of people. Some people are getting frustrated. And if Star Wars has taught me anything, its the dangers of not controlling your emotions. User:SFH
 * Actually, I respect that you stick by your opinions. And I am trying to help. But it wasn't you I was talking about when I said not controlling your emotions. I'm talking about the other users. User:SFH
 * I have an idea on the "Darth Sidious, Dark Lord" line. How about we make it "Darth Sidious, once the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith, was finally dead"? It acknowledges him as a Sith Lord, yet doesn't specify if he still was during Dark Empire. It's perfectly neutral. User:SFH
 * Wonderful. I know where to place it. "Cut off from a host body, Emperor Palpatine, the supreme ruler of the Galactic Empire, was destroyed. Darth Sidious, once the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith, was finally dead." How does that sound? User:SFH
 * I'd prefer my version because it lists his public title, Emperor Palpatine, followed by his private title, Darth Sidious. But we still need to figure out someway to reason out when he was born. You make a good point that anything Palpatine says is automatically suspect, but George Lucas has said that Palpatine during the prequels is no older than Ian McDiarmand. User:SFH
 * I read it on the Palpatine talk page on Wikipedia. As to Lucas changing his mind...yah, okay, you may have a point there. User:SFH
 * Are you saying Palpatine may be some sort of Force-parasite, jumping from body to body? Or that he simply DID learn Plagueis secret, and used it to stay alive and assume a new identity? User:SFH
 * Good point. Also, it has never been explained how the scars came in on his clone bodies. User:SFH
 * I'm changing my vote on the question mark. You've convinced me that it should be placed up there. There is just so much we do not know about Palpatine that it should be suspect. User:SFH
 * Come on down to the 84 vote, okay? You said you wanted to decide this in a democratic manner. I realize our opinions are just that. But we are voting on a matter of canon, based on the information that we have available. SFH 00:30, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I meant discussion! Didn't we find a fine compromise with the "finally dead" issue? Why can't we do the same with the questionmark? If all these people came and we discussed it, I know we could! --Master Starkeiller 00:33, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Something else related to this: Could you please stop editing your response on Talk pages? All you do is change one word or add one or two. Please stop doing this, as it fills my Watchlist up with "Talk: Palpatine... Starkeiller" way too many times. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 15:59, 20 Sep 2005 (EDT)
 * Oops, sorry, I'm a perfectionist but I post before thinking... So I edit relentlessly. I'll try to restain myself... --Master Starkeiller 16:11, 20 Sep 2005 (EDT)
 * Thank you for understanding. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 16:35, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)

minor request
Could you please put your signature at the end of your comments rather than the beginning? There's nothing wrong with it, really, but it makes talk pages easier to read if everyone else is using the same convention. Thanks. &mdash; Silly Dan 00:42, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

--Master Starkeiller 02:03, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)Tell me how to do it and I will. Yeah, I used to add the thing before the sentence. Thanks for the advice! --Master Starkeiller 02:08, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Like this. ~ (as typed at the end manually with four tildes, thats ~'s)-- Riffsyphon1024 02:06, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Starkeiller.  &mdash; Silly Dan  12:44, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Image:EISTEOLOISASMALAKES.jpg
Bloody Greeks ;-) --Azizlight 15:10, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * No, that was a mistake, really! The name was intended for another picture which was not for Wiki. I named the other picture "Charal1" and uploaded the Charal one with the name of the other picture... Sorry... I am uploading a bunch of pictures on two sites right now and it seems I messed it up. Can it be deleted? --Master Starkeiller 15:16, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Haha yeah it can be deleted, and for good reason too since I uploaded exactly the same picture of Charal right before you did :-) So I trust your reseach for What's The Story? is going well then? Man I hate those Ewok movies :-) --Azizlight 15:22, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Me too and that's why I find it so difficult to write a backstory for that stupid Sanyassan! I want to work in some ret-cons for the magic, but damn them these movies are silly! --Master Starkeiller 15:27, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Your Dooku Image
I reverted your replacement of the already existing image because I feel that what we have already is good. Do you have a thing against speech balloons? -- Riffsyphon1024 18:39, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * It's just the same without the baloons. They look bad in an encyclopedia. --Master Starkeiller 18:41, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * But don't you feel the impact when he says, "What have we done?"? It's eerily similar to Anakin's "What have I done?" in ROTS. There's a sort of emotional effect there in that, and yet as I think about it, POVish. Damn. -- Riffsyphon1024 18:43, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I haven't thought of that. I'll leave that one, but I can keep editing out the baloons in others, right? It kind of looks like we have an image from a video game with the energy bar in it... Some of them look even really bad with half a baloon missing and such things. --Master Starkeiller 18:46, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * In those cases, cropping is needed and you are allowed to fix those, but I thought I'd tell you why I wanted the Dooku one to remain. -- Riffsyphon1024 18:50, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Yep, it deserves an exception! --Master Starkeiller 18:51, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Pictures

 * Can you hold off on the cropping of all those pictures? Some of those scenes were specifically chosen for their context, and don't look as good when you crop it down to just the person's face. QuentinGeorge 21:25, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Pictures with word baloons look really bad in an encyclopedia. If there is any special context, I keep it. If there's an unnecessary baloon, I crop it. --Master Starkeiller 21:30, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Firstly, I don't think it's a "fact" that balloons look "really bad" in an encyclopedia. Secondly, why did you crop the Tholme one? It looks better with Quinlan in it, as it places it in the context of the scene (ie, Tholme and Quinlan falling out on Saleucami). Otherwise, it's just a picture of Tholme looking haggard and not particularly interesting. I see a similar point was made above with the Dooku picture. I think the same applies to this one. QuentinGeorge 05:57, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, then. If this one falls under the "special context" category, it's back. --Master Starkeiller 09:21, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Dark Side vs. dark side
I'm sorry, but "dark side" has been established as a consensus due to it being the most popular form in official sources. Star Wars talk:Community Portal/Namespace dispute. Sikon [ Talk ] 16:00, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, a while back, I changed it back to "dark side" based on this, but I was corrected. In the Wiki, it is as "Dark Side" everywhere. We'll have to edit the whole encyclopedia... --Master Starkeiller 16:33, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * We will, if we have to. The same story was with "Behind the s/Scenes". (Sorry, wrong link, the correct one is Star Wars talk:Community Portal/Sides of the Force. - Sikon [ Talk ] 17:37, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Force bond
And if I replace the female Exile with a male Exile, will it be any better? :) We don't know the Exile's canonical gender anyway. Considering "visible Force", most people will realize it's an UI element. And if they don't, we can explain it. - Sikon [ Talk ] 08:34, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Isn't the bald male Exile with the goatee the canonical one? --Master Starkeiller 09:51, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * No, it's just Obsidian's promotional art. According to Leland Chee, the Exile's canonical gender hasn't yet been determined, but he's trying to make it female (although we shouldn't assume he will succeed). - Sikon [ Talk ] 11:12, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Then why is this image in the Jedi Exile page? I'm removing it. --Master Starkeiller 11:55, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Image:VisasMarr.jpg
Cool image! Where did you get it from? (Necessary for tagging it with a copyright template.) - Sikon [ Talk ] 16:07, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * It's from Hyperspace. Not exactly though... It's from the blogs. --Master Starkeiller 20:19, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Images
Please, when uploading images - include a description, (where it comes from) and, most importantly, a copyright tag, such as for stills from the movies. QuentinGeorge 11:59, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Okie-dokie. --Master Starkeiller 12:00, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Why are you removing links from image pages? It seems extremely counterproductive. MarcK 14:03, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm removing them from the descriptions of the images but I keep them in the description of the image within the page that links to it. We don't need links if the image itself links to a page. I'm only keeping "behind the scenes" link for the discriptions. --Master Starkeiller 14:06, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Upload
How do you upload something onto the Wookiee? -- SFH 19:52, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Excuse me? How do I upload images, you mean? --Master Starkeiller 19:57, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I meant in general. I'm trying to upload the picture of Palpatine debarking his shuttle in Episode VI, but it just doesn't say how to upload it. I'm in over my head and I need help. -- SFH 20:00, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Go to the upload "file" option at the toolbox, or through "Special Pages". Then choose the pic, add a description, a or a  or  and upload it. --Master Starkeiller 20:04, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank You. if only they would put that in the help section. -- SFH 20:05, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Atris
Actually, that text was commented out as a copyvio... I think it can be safely deleted. - Sikon [ Talk ] 15:45, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Can I finish it, then? --Master Starkeiller 15:47, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Exterminate it without mercy. - Sikon [ Talk ] 17:14, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Done. --Master Starkeiller 19:23, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Links on pics
Putting links in a picture description screws up the ALT text, at least in this version of the MediaWiki software. So, for example, "Kit Fisto leads a group of clone troopers in the Battle of Geonosis" becomes "Kit Fisto leads a group of in the ". That's why I generally remove links in picture descriptions. &mdash;Darth Culator  (talk)  16:38, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm... I'm not sure I understand... What's the ALT text? --Master Starkeiller 17:10, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * It's the text that pops up when you hover your mouse over a picture. Firefox doesn't display it by default without an extension, but MSIE does. It's part of accessibility certification for blind users. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  17:29, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * But if the links are removed from images, Wookiepedia articles will be more diffult to access. The links exist so the reader can access an article about what he or she is seeing, which is very useful. --Master Starkeiller 17:34, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm going to leave the links from now on anyway, since I've just realized the current MediaWiki version in use on Wikipedia has fixed the problem. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  17:49, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)