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Proposal for new Introduction
Hey guys, I spent a bit of time writing, and then a lot (read: stupid amount) of time tweaking, the following proposal for a new introduction to the article.

For your consideration:

Thoughts? I think that this one is better, as it's the more comprehensive and up to date of the two. Still, I'm obviously biased and not to be trusted ;) Uli Talk 03:19, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * P.S. It references the Odyssey engine, too. Just a little geeky aside. XD ( Uli Talk 03:20, September 8, 2009 (UTC))

So, it's been three days and I've seen no objections. I'm going to put it in. :)  Uli Talk 16:44, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Very nice work, I'm all for it. I made a few minor spelling/format changes, I hope you don't mind. Xicer9 Atgar.svg( Combadge) 03:39, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, for both your comment and the spelling corrections -- I don't mind at all, I'm just annoyed they slipped by me. ( Uli Talk 04:14, September 8, 2009 (UTC))
 * he killed a jedi with a purple lightsaber not mace windu but some one else andhten he kept the lightsaber and had 2 light saber.
 * No, he didn't. Please don't put speculation on the article's talk page.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 19:30, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Revan and Malak were turned to the Dark Side by the Sith Emperor
"Well, back before he was dark, Revan and Malak went out into space, and something bad happened, and they both turned. And they came back and declared themselves Sith and said there starting a new Sith empire, and they were supposed to, except Malak - as we know - betrayed Revan, and he took over. And he basically built his own Sith empire and started calling everything Sith. So we had Sith troopers, Sith ships, Sith peanutbutter, and Sith everything. But they weren't actually culturally Sith. They were all people who had come back with them, who were Republic people that had gone into deep space. So, what it turns out is, what they found in deep space that changed them and sent them back was the emperor. And... the emperor of the old Sith from the Hyperspace War that the jedi thought they had killed off. They were turned and they were sent back to supposedly be the vanguard for a Sith invasion. They did a very poor job of it because they're Sith. So they betrayed each other and tried to take over themselves and did not in fact make a great thing for the Empire. But the Empire shows up anyway, quite a few years later." This is all said by Daniel Erickson, Lead Writer at BioWare, here: http://gameinformer.com/games/star_wars_the_old_republic/m/star_wars_the_old_republic_media/108340.aspx - A revision of Revan's history seems to be in order. I've revised Revan's page accordingly. Jediphile 03:57, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm glad that someone here is taking notice of these new developments. -MPK 01:40, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * That development goes against information in KOTOR 2 where Kreia reveals Revan was trying to take over the republic in order to strengthen it against the True Sith Empire's eventual attack
 * Turns out that when Revan and Malak chased the mandalorians into the unknown regions they found dromund kaas and the sith emperor gave them a talkin to. Revan and Malak used that information to find the star forge and basically flip the bird to the sith emperor who was dumb enough to trust them in the first place. you also have to take into account that revan found the trayus academy as well. My guess is that he realized that the jedi teachings were dumb and to fully understand the force he needed both sides. So he was taught by people like the emperor and Kreia and then came back to take what he wanted and fortify it against those who wanted to take it. Just a thought but from the end of the mandalorian wars to when he came  back is not clearly illustrated at all in the page

Image
I've been thinking that since they chose a canon race gender and appearence for Jaden Korr then shouldn't they be able to choose a canon image of Revan from the faces that you're able to select from on the knights of the old republic game? --Masterfred 16-- January 26,2010 8:55 AM
 * Yes, but you have to remember that the Character selection in KotOR presents more than one head and to plaster a single picture of one selected face would mean that that is the Canonical face of Revan which would lead to controversy. We'd have a lot of Messages saying "That's not Revan's face, this is." Because this is a game, and you choose the Avatar to represent Revan. So Revan appears differently to each person. (For me, Revan looks like the Short, Brown-Haired fair complexion head. Bottom Right in the collective photo) So,yes you can but many people would disagree.

Slave quarters in Daviks HQ
When you go to the slave quarters Canderous makes the comment " this is my kind of place" and the twi'lek slave says that she can give you a massage and that other people have been satisfied with her "services" and then you go into a different room and it fades to black. Does Revan have sex with the slave because they make it a more provocative dialouge for a simple massage. jedi_master425
 * To tell you the truth,I never really thought about it that way. But,although it seems a likely hint given the black fade out but in Biology, Sex can only occur through inter-breeding. Like Humans-Humans, Twi'Leks-Twi'Leks; so it seems highly unlikely. It could've happened but it doesn't feel or seem like that happened. And anyway, Bastila is Revan's main Squeeze right? :) "Masterfred 16" January 26,2010 9:00AM

Masterfred 16 is right, i read "Republic Commando:Order 66, and one of the characters said he had a Twi'lek girlfreind but couldnt have a child with her. He was a clone, but then again Darman had a baby with a jedi... Sev1665, february 27, 6:15 PM
 * Nah, it's not stuff like that. I'll elaborate: If they had shown the scene, usually when people have a massage, they don't wear anything except those towels, and it would mean that the game designers would have had to go through all the trouble to create that version of Revan for every single appearance of him. And then that would mean that there would be a way for people to find cheat codes to use that appearance, and it would not be pretty. I think it would be better if we left this subject alone from now on.

I doubt the purpose of this section, I mean, then game was rated T, and it was explicitly stated as "message".

76.3.74.15 00:57, October 20, 2010 (UTC)Unregistered Contributor 10/19/2010

Image
I would like to propose a new image for Revan's profile picture. The image title is DarthRevanRevanchist.jpg and I'll try to paste it here for everyone's viewing and approving/disapproving pleasure... 09:55, 29 December 2009
 * While that is certainly a lovely and dramatic shot, it's still unlicensed fan art. Per WP:FANON, it is unacceptable for any use on Wookieepedia (except as your own user image). I also expect the image to be deleted soon, since you didn't correctly source the image and you have also provided incorrect copyright information. You may have better luck getting this posted over at Star Wars Fanon Wikia, though you should probably review their policies first. SinisterSamurai 18:16, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. I thought I put that I was the author of the photo. I took it in my photo studio. I think this is for Revan to know and us to ponder, maybe the dark lord is leading us to his power from the grave???
 * Unfortunately, we still can not use fan art as an official depiction of a canonical character. You can still re-upload the image and use it on your user page per User image policy. Also, please sign your comments with four tilde's (~) .  OLIOSTER  (talk) Imperial Emblem.svg 03:12, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Revan's True first Jedi Master discrepancy
"As a Padawan, Revan was trained by Master Kae, before she was exiled."-Mical

According to Mical,Revan was Arren Kae's Padawan;but according to Kreia, she (kreia) was Revan's first master.

If both of them are telling the truth ,this doesn't make sense unless if Arren Kae and Kreia were in fact the same person, which hasnt been confirmed anywhere, and to Arren Kae and grandma Kreia be the same person, Kae would have to be just an alias,which is not possible.

this is confusing, yes I know that revan had many masters, but I am talking about his first master , and Kreia couldnt be Revan's first master if he was a padawan to Kae...

shouldn't this discrepancy be mentioned at those articles?

this is not speculation, everything I just wrote has sources (all of my arguments are derived from things said at TSL) and makes sense, but something has to be wrong,unless Kreia and Kae are indeed the same person .--Loub 19:42, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

I'd say those two statements are the strongest argument for Kreia and Arren Kae being the same person. 24.68.45.165 08:51, January 22, 2010 (UTC) Which then places her on Coruscant but that would mean that she wasn't Revan's first master. Also Mical said that Revan returned to his first Master to learn how to leave the order completely. This doesn't sound anything like something you would here from Arren Kae. So the Arren Kae was Revan's First Master Theory is a big NO.
 * All of these questions are up to speculation and all but we can piece together possible facts that we already have to determine an outcome: It was stated that Revan's primary training occurred on Dantooine in the Jedi Enclave. Well I went to view the Article about the Jedi Enclave on Dantooine and it mentions neither Arren Kae nor Kreia. Although their is a picture of a female Jedi here:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:Jediassembly.JPG but it is highly unlikely this is Arren Kae because Briana is Arren Kae's Daughter. And Echani Women are only said to have had White hair.

Which brings us to our next and somewhat likely theory: That Kreia and Arren Kae are the same person. In my opinion, it appears that it is possible. I mean, let's look at the facts: Arren Kae believed to be Revan's First Master, Kreia claims to be Revan's Primary teacher. Arren Kae was banished by the Jedi Order because of her actions, Kreia was banned from the Jedi Order because of the council believed it was because of her that Revan fell. Also, Echani Women, like Briana are said to have only White hair, Kreia has White hair. But there are also some conflicting facts: Like Arren Kae marching to war with Revan. Kreia never took part in the Mandalorian Wars, instead she went to search for what made Revan "turn" to the Dark Side. Also Arren Kae was presumed dead but Kreia lived on past the battle of Malachor V. It is possible that to hide her Identity she faked her own death and branded herself a new name. Even Atris said, "Kreia? That is not her name." so it is possible that Arren Kae and Kreia are one person.

Phew, that was a long explanation but anyway for me, I'd say Arren Kae is Kreia but we have to just wait and see. (If it is so, then I like Kreia Ten Times more as a Character. "Masterfred 16 January 26, 2010 8:36 AM"
 * I haven't played TSL in a while but if the first statement you quoted from Mical is word for word, then couldn't he have meant that Arren Kae was not necessarily his first master but rather just one of his masters? Also doesn't the KotOR games establish that during that time in the Jedi order, the name Padawan was a rank rather then the name for a learner? I'm just thinking out loud, but Mical's statement could have meant that during his time as a Padawan(first rank of the Order) his Master was Arren Kae. I mean wasn't Obi-wan still Anikan's Master even in Revenge of the Sith when Anikan's a Knight? (Not sure on that point) I do find the argument you've made about Kriea very interesting. It would certainly open up a whole new sup-plot in the saga for her. Skaughtey 21:56, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

remember, a Padawan's master is not necessarily their first, as Younglings are taught by Jedi masters, who may be considered their master, Obi-Wan Kenobi, in episode 5, said that Yoda was the Jedi who trained him, due to the fact that episode 1 revealed Qui-gon as being his master while he was a Padawan, and knowing that he did not train under any other Jedi after reaching knighthood, this could show that Yoda was his master before he was a Padawan, this proves that a Padawan's jedi master is not necessarily their first.
 * This discussion has a lot of speculation in it. For one, the quote from Mical is not accurate. I do not have the files installed onto my computer at the moment, but it is more accurately: "Revan had many masters - Master Zhar, Master Dorak... Master Kae before Kae left for the wars." Nowhere in the game does any character explicitly state whether or not Kae was Revan's first master. Quite the opposite, Revan's first master would be Kreia. She herself admits to being present when Revan first awakened to the Force as a child, and she says that Revan returned to her after he had learned all he could from the other masters (therefore making her the "first master" mentioned, but not identified, by Mical. More on that in a second). But again, nowhere are we told that Kae was his first master. I think this is a case of a misinterpretation being quoted so often and so broadly that it has become a "fact" in and of itself. But it simply is not true. For all we know, Arren may have been the last Master under which Revan trained before returning to Kreia. And we should also find it worth noting that Mical never has trouble recalling Kae at any time, but when asked about Revan's first master (who we know to be Kreia), he can never recall the information and quickly withdraws from the conversation. His memory failed him on these occasions because Kreia was clouding his mind - just as she was doing with the Jedi Masters they encountered throughout the game - while she was concealing her true identity from the Exile and company. So the verdict is... What we know: Kreia was Revan's first Jedi Master. What we do not know: When Revan trained under Arren. Conclusion: Anything regarding Arren Kae and Revan, together, is indeterminate until we are give more information through canonical sources. Everything else is speculation at best.--Master Dakari 06:33, April 1, 2011 (UTC)

What is canon
Why is it more canon for Revan to be male rather than female??? Revan's outfits are DRESSES!!! For both dark and lights side!!! Can someone explain that for me? I'm lost! Thanks! Zynquinthia 01:11, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * In the infobox, you'll notice that there are three separate references for Revan being male. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 01:14, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * In retrospect, Revan's vestments are not considered to be of feminine design at all. They are based on the Hakama which is a type of man skirt used by Kendo practitioners and students. Also to further justify, Revan's chest armor is also based off of the "Do" a vestment used for the same purpose. His robes also kind of show signs of Egyptian decent, like the Sash and armbands. Just to clear things up.  Just view this for a pic:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kendo_uniform_parts.png and this for the main article:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendo "Masterfred 16" JANUARY 26, 2010 6:14 AM (UTC)

Considering that Bastila Shan appears to know much about him, and is chosen to lead a strike team to capture him, Bastila is a possibility. However, in TSL, I have recieved hints from Kreia/Darth Traya that SHE was at least part of Revan's dark side training.

Where did Revan's Jedi Training Begin?
Masterfred 16 11:48, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * We all know that Revan Trained under both Kreia and Zhar Lestin for some time. But it's hard to tell where he trained first. Zhar, at the time of the Mandalorian Wars, was said to have been on Coruscant, but wasn't Kreia on Dantooine at the time? If she was, it states that Alek Squinquargesismus' (AKA:Malak) first Master was Zhar Lestin. Wouldn't that mean that their training began on Coruscant and not Dantooine? I'm confused.

revan and malak were both jedi knights by the time of the mandalorian wars, so their training would have happened long before then, therefore zhar could easily have been on dantooine at the time 81.141.223.237 14:27, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Revan's Name
In the Name section of the Revan article, it talks about how Revan's name may not be his real one. Well, in the second volume of KotOR comic series, in the story Homecoming, the Jedi Covenant member, Feln says that Revanchism was the term used to describe reclaiming ground lost in war. Well, I haven't read all the series, but if Revan never said that his name was Revan until he donned the Mandolorian mask, then wouldn't that prove that Revan was not his original name, and that he first used it at that time? Skaughtey 21:38, February 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's more than Likely that "Revan" was derived from his Republic title "Revanchist" and decided to shorten it to Revan after donning the mask. So it is possible that Revan, Revanchist, and Darth Revan are only Monikers of Revan's true identity
 * "Masterfred 16" February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Recent issue of the SWTOR webcomic
Please don't go adding that Satele Shan is a descendant of Revan. If you read the issue, you'll find that even the Sith aren't sure whether she's a descendant or not.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 15:58, February 12, 2010 (UTC) Maybe Revan isn't his real name, but in the words of the jedi knight Nemo, names hold almost no importance. On that note, why waste brainpower on a minor aspect of character we all love???
 * Wouldn't the sith belief that Revan has a descendant be part of his Legacy? --Bron Hañda 22:36, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Personality Section

 * First of all, if this has been submitted before, I'm sorry. I think there should be a personality section to Revan's page. We know what he was like before the Mandalorian Wars, during his reign as the Dark Lord, and that he stuck to the light side after his memory-wipe. Also, the Jedi Exile has a personality section on her page, so why shouldn't Revan?

Satele Shan connection
As i'm sure you know by now T.O.R website has released a Aurebesh saying that she is a descendant of Bastila and that "Blood of Revan" and "Secret son" are mentioned. Does this make her part of Revans line or no? Just express your opinions in a short way below this just a sentence or yes or no hoping for replays. Mr. Inhibitor 21:11, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you have read the talk subject "Recent issue of the SWTOR webcomic" (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Revan#Recent_issue_of_the_SWTOR_webcomic), then you should see that even the sith aren't sure if Satele is part of Revan's line. Therefore the answer is yes and no. Yes because of the Aurebesh saying and no because of what the sith say.
 * Read http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Satele_Shan for more discussion on the topic.
 * The quote "Blood of Revan" is there without any context, so it could mean anything and is no confirmation. Gulomi Jomesh 22:46, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * The fact that the Sith aren't sure of her ties with Revan, more precisely "IF the blood of Revan..." is just a way to mock her, they were trying to draw her to the dark side afterall, it doesn't mean they don't think she's his descendant


 * There is a book series coming out in which Revans fate will be revealed/explored. The first book is titled The Truths of Dreams and in it Bastila is revealed to be pregnant with Revan's child.   The book is suppossed to be out in march 2011. The author is David Wallace. He used to work at Marvel.99.184.87.246 23:42, October 6, 2010 (UTC) DARK CHILD

Revan in Ovair family line?
I realize this is all speculation, but could Revan be related to Barel Ovair? The fact that the next Galactic Timelime is The Jedi Civil War seems a little bit too convenient for this not to be a possibility. Gnost Dural mentioned that he will speak more on "acts of dark subterfuge that Ovair and his family were involved in." I do doubt that Revan is Barel's grandfather even (too long before Barel Ovair: I mean, there's a 200-year difference between the two!), but perhaps he created a line of Sith Infiltrators while "looking for the True Sith."
 * Absolutely no reason to assume that, at all. --Imperialles 18:03, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

About my last edit
A user added a line to this article; "and the most powerful force user ever", which is a speculation gone wild. No source says that anyone is the most powerful, just that they are powerful. Dot. Gratulor - User Page 14:00, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

"Possible Revan" should be deleted
I'm referring to the "possible Revan from a TV commercial". It's obviously not Revan, it doesn't even match up with any of the faces featured in the game.--Darth Dan 012 14:38, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Canon story
Does anybody know for sure what the real canon story for Revan is? I know that canonically he's a man, and that he was once a Sith. Can anyone here give me a hand with getting this right? All I really need to know is what the canon ending is(whether he became redeemed, and followed the ways of the Force, or if he fell to the Dark Side), and what happened to his companions. I don't mean what happened in your versions of the game, because they are as numerous as the stars, I just mean the purely canon version. This information will greatly aid in the creation of a possible book series based around the storyline and afterward as well. Besides, It would also be for the betterment of the Star Wars universe in general if we knew for certain... Thanks! The Master of Revan&#39;s Power 17:41, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * As you can see in the article, the canon ending is the light side ending, where the Republic fleet destroys the Star Forge. This has been stated in numberous sorces, including the frist Darth Bane novel. Gulomi Jomesh 09:38, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

CaDarth Revan face revealed ?
Maxattac 14:54, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

i hope so, that was always my favourite of the selection, and seemed the most jedi-like Swordsquirrel 15:17, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

It definitely narrows it down, but we can't yet say for certain.-- Dr. Kermit ( Complain. ) 15:34, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Eh. He can always cut his hair, you know. Anyway, are we supposed to pretend Revan towered over Malak, as well?  Uli Talk 15:41, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Still don't see how this is any more canon than the Darth Revan action figure that was previously assumed to be canon until proven otherwise Andreou 04:35, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

the man on the picture has whiskers. he aint him

Actually, Maxattac was right. This video contains some minor spoilers from TOR, but if you want to be proven right, click here: (url removed) I don't think anyone can deny that they are identical. Excellent catch! LtKettch 12:30, November 18, 2011 (UTC)

Revan, the Emperor and the Star Forge
Okay, first things first: I've added the new timeline info to Revan's introduction, but not the main article. I think it's a bit rushed, though. Second, though its implied now that Revan and Malak's knowledge of the Star Forge was derived from the Emperor, that contradicts the information from both the game and campaign guide, which tells us that Revan first accessed the Kashyyyk Starmap in 3,961 BBY. So... yeah. We'll see, I guess.  Uli Talk 15:41, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, thinking about it, its quite possible that Revan and Malak learnt of the Star Forge/Star Maps independantly of the Emperor, told him about it/them, and then he ordered them to find it on his behalf... so scratch that "contradiction" thing above.  Uli Talk 16:19, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also bear in mind that a Developer has said: "Keep in mind, as some other posters have referenced, the timelines are authored by a Jedi Master living 300 years after KotOR. Not all the facts were confirmed by the Jedi, and in some places, he may be wrong about what actually occurred. That goes for all the timelines." In theory this means if anything contradicts what KOTOR/KOTOR2 says then the timeline is likely to be mistaken, putting KOTOR/2 as the primary canon, in this instance.  Alexsau1991  ( Talk page ) StupidSithEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 17:17, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it actually means they're (quite sensibly) covering their asses if they want to change something down the line or if they make any obvious mistakes. And, as things stand, it doesn't contradict anything from KotOR 2 except Kreia's assertion that Revan "Met no Sith Empire". Which is frustrating, but it is what it is. There's also a big difference between an obvious mistake (for example, Revan and Bastila taking Malak on together at the Star Forge) and new information being given to us. Uli Talk 22:08, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * But, yeah, in regards to the Star Forge, at present I think it is safer to assume that Revan and Malak were on that trial before they met the Sith Emperor... otherwise everything is thrown out of wack.  Uli Talk 22:09, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Uh, "trail", even. :S  Uli Talk 16:07, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Given that both versions come from not entirely reliable in-universe characters (Kreia and Gnost-Dural), I'd state both versions in the article. Ausir(talk) 07:56, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Revan meeting the Sith Emperor source
What is the source saying that Revan (and Malak) met the Sith Emperor, and were instructed by him to conquer the galaxy? Is it in the KotoR comics? The Haunted Angel 23:03, June 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * TOR Timeline video tells us they met the Emperor. Also tells us that the Emperor wanted them to use the Star Forge to accelerate his plans. It DOESN'T tell us that they were intended to conquer the galaxy for him... but a dev said that a while ago. Or something.  Uli Talk 22:11, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

Revan's face...
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100611200634/starwars/images/f/f9/Unmasked_Revan.JPG

It is from here: http://www.swtor.com/info/holonet/timeline/jedi-civil-war

It appears to be the "Jesus" face.

Please internet, don't shoot the messenger.

Also, Revan and Malak meeting the Sith Emperor:http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100611224513/starwars/images/d/d1/Revan_Malak_Sith_Emperor.jpg (- -) 01:57, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's far from beeig confirmed. The TOR-Develpoers stated that the timeline-videos sre just the interpretation from Gnost-Dural over 300 jears later, so he, and therefore we, can not be sure if everything in the video is correct. If you wtch closely, you can see more miskates made by Gnost-Dural, like Bastila using a dobbel-bladed lightsaber while capturing Revan or Bastila and Revan fighting Malak together on the Starforge or Revan being larger than Malak. So there is no proof if that head of Revan is correct or not. Gulomi Jomesh 07:53, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thing is, we don't discount a single source if it inaccurate on a number of other fronts. If we did, we'd have nothing from Path of Destruction whatsoever. Thefourdotelipsis 08:32, June 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Using uncomplete informations to determine a canon face, we did the same thing for Jaden Korr, and it was accepted !! So why not now ?? Maxattac 09:50, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well "Jesus face" would not be canon at any rate, as it has brown hair, and Revan is clearly shown in the video to have black hair. Jayden Matthews 16:56, June 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yes, because the image from the back that we have doesn't match any of the faces close enough to actually prove it. For example we have a confirmed canon image of the Jedi Exile yet we haven't tried to match it up to any of the female face options in the game because it doesnt match any close enough.
 * There also raises the question of why Bioware didn't show Revan from the front. When they had an image of Revan as a Jedi transfuring into the Dark Lord we saw a hooded figure with a completely visible features, followed by the masked face. This does suggest that Bioware isn't ready to release his canon face, yet.

 Alexsau1991  ( Talk page ) 17:10, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also I don't think the length of the hair is any sort of a good reason. I think we can safely assume that Revan would have had at least one hair cut between the Mandalorian Wars and the Jedi Civil War. Also, I think as someone else has mentioned the picture of Revan standing next to Malak is hugely in consistant with all other sources. Whether Revan is Male or Female in KOTOR Malak still towers over him/her. In the comics Malak also is a good half a foot taller than Revan how ever in this timeline Revan appears to be a good couple of inches taller, it makes Malak look really small and we all know he wasn't. There are some major inconstancies in this time line.   Alexsau1991  ( Talk page ) StupidSithEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 17:16, June 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * The discrepancy of height between Revan and Malak can easily be explained by the artist's/narrator's point of view. Obviously Revan was the more powerful and thus influential of the pair, so they may have made Revan seem taller to place more emphasis on him than Malak.  Of course, this has no canonical significance, so discussing an artist's rendition of the pair is unwarranted.  But that's just my two cents. Darth Adonis 07:35, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

we dont see the bottom of the picture, so malak could be standing on a lower stair or something, but malak is quite young at that point, and may have grown since. and as for revans hair, while it doesnt prove that he kept that hair, it shows that he had liked the style, making it likely that he might keep it, though equally the jedi council wouldnt want revan to find out who he was, so as of Kotor, he would probably have a different haircut. the imae also shows Revan to be Caucasian, so it does rule out some of the faces 81.141.223.237 13:41, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * No Malak is not quite young at that point and he could not have grown since we have an earlier appearance of him in the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic Comics in which he still towers over Revan, this is also back when he had hair. And no officnce but your theories are quite worthless. So saying he liked the style because he happens to like it really proves nothing. I like my hair style and I change it 6 or 7 times a year. Calling him Caucasian is also not proved as, for example, ethnic Japanese/Chinese people can have just skin have quite pale skin, and as far as memory serves there is a Ja/Ch looking face in the selection so that does not actually rule out enough faces to choose a canon one. As I said above they have perpously not shown us Revan's face which means there is still no canon image of it.  Alexsau1991  ( Talk page ) StupidSithEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 16:45, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that there are light-skinned Black people. Regarding the hair, take a look at Nico and Tae Diath, two dark-skinned Jedi that have long, wavy black hair. Just saying.-- 23:10, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

I noticed someone put Revan's hair as being black under the physical description. Can we really judge that from the one picture? Looking at the shades of color used where light is being reflected off the hair, it could just as easily be dark brown. If you go to wikipedia's page on brown hair and scroll down to the "Varieties of brown hair section", you can see just how dark hair can be while still being considered brown (I'm sorry, it won't let me post a link since I'm new here). I normally wouldn't be this critical, but this is one of my favorite characters. That, and I've noticed from some of the other talk pages (such as the Rakata talk page), some writers occasionally use this site as a resource. This especially makes me want everything to be as accurate as possible. Masterdebator323 10:09, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

I think theimage shown of revan before reprogamming would probably match the one shown after because ingame, when malak and bastila reveal to revan that he is the dark lord on the Leviathan, theres a scene where he removes his mask on lehon and he has identical features, hair and all.

Okay there still seems to be no actual confirmation that the previous picture posted is to be considered canon. There was also a picture during video that showed Revan and Bastila fighting Malak together on the Star Forge and that clearly contradicts how it actually happened I think listing Revan as having light skin and dark hair should be removed until this is confirmed as canon. This is very similar to when Revan was previously assumed to be light skinned because the Darth Revan toy was depicted with light skin until this assumption was corrected by a Star Wars rep Leland Chee who stated that it was merely a "possible" representation of Revan and was not canon. Andreou 04:33, August 19, 2010 (UTC)

I've always thought that the face with the flat-top buzz was a good face for Revan. Perhaps that Jedi wanted to make him look like a soldier, so clean-shaven and a buzz cut would be a good option. The face is also missing part of the left ear if that has any signifigance. Aquarion Nieja 20:19, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

lightsaber style
since when did revan use the shien style of lightsaber combat?
 * I'm not sure... What's odd is that if you look at the above pictures of Revan, he's holding his lightsaber in the distinctive Makashi opening stance... Also, in the picture of him on the bridge about to fight Bastila, He's using the Juyo opening stance. I think we should just assume that Revan was a master at all forms, and he simply used Shien a lot. Besides, I'm an ok lightsaber duelist myself, and can use all the forms alright, but I favour Shien too, because it's distracting to your opponent. I really don't think this is a subject to lose any sleep over.

its possible that Revan mastered all forms of lightsaber combat and merely switched between them to keep opponents off guard, or changed his lightsaber style depending on the situation, as can be done in kotor 2 Swordsquirrel 03:06, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

What Happened?
What happened to Revan that made him the way he is now? Wasn't he human at some point in his life?--Cc-7567 lover 04:08, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

im not sure what you mean by now, but all his cannonical life, he has been human, the face you see in many pictures is a mask, if that answers your question 81.141.223.237 14:23, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure he was always human, he just has a mask. -'CloneSaber ' Room  14:36, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * The KotOR CG indeed confirms that Revan was a Human. How he got the mask is revealed in Issue #42 of the KotOR comics.-- 14:40, June 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Then there you have it. -'CloneSaber ' Room  15:07, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Carth Not Know?
Perhaps I am a little off base here because it has been a while since I played the video game, but regardless of what Revan's canonical image was, wouldn't Carth have known it was Revan? Carth was a soldier involved in the Mandalorian Wars and he looked up to Admiral Saul Karath, who would have, in some manner, had dealings with Revan. Not only did Carth look up to Saul, he counted him as a friend, which is why he hates Saul so much for his betrayal. Having said all that, since Revan joined the Republic to defend against the Mandalorians, and then started winning battle after battle, and becoming so famous for his victories, wouldn't the Republic have known his face in "news" casts? And more importantly, if the Republic knew his face, it would be even more likely that Carth, a soldier during the war who would have also looked up to Revan as a symbol of hope, would have known his face? If that is the case, then why didn't Carth know who he was talking to 3/4's of the game? Is it likely that the Jedi Counsel had some sort of "face-lift" performed on Revan? And if they did, shame on them! :) Seriously though, if Revan was this big hero of the Republic before his fall, how could Carth NOT have known who he was? Darth Vispren, Dark Lord of the Sith 17:20, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Actually, according to the comics Revan puts on his mask before the Mandalorian Wars started and vowed no to take it off untill the Mandalorians were defeated, so noone, unless they knew him as a jedi, would know how his real face looks like67.68.2.67 01:45, June 19, 2010 (UTC)notonmyaccountrightnow

I can't remember which planet it was (was it Kathar that he and Alek went to?) but he put the mask on in response to the Mandalorians' conquest of the Outer Rim planets. He was in the Republic Fleet at this point...that much I know. So, plenty of people would have known what he looked like. Besides...he didn't live his entire life prior to the mask behind it...so I'm sure that there are/were pictures of him somewhere...and with the popularity that he had, it would have made sense for his face to get around. We have one planet and not nearly as high-tech science fiction tools like lightsabers and laser blasters...so the papparazzi in that setting would have WAY more tools than our do. Yes? Darth Vispren, Dark Lord of the Sith 15:19, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

firstly, Revan got his mask on cathar, during the mandalorian wars, and even before that, his face was always hidden behind his hood, this can porbably be explained by the fact that he didnt want to be well known, or famous, but merely wanted his message heard, plus, from what i saw in the kotor comics, carth would've been too busy to notice revan if the two crossed paths Swordsquirrel 03:11, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Continuity section
It's not impossible that Revan faced Darth Bandon after the Leviathan I can't remember how, but I did.BlackStar: Envoy of the middle 21:08, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, you must be mistaken. Revan faced Darth Bandon before his encounter with Malak on the Leviathan. At least you do in Knights of the Old Republic. VadersFist666 21:12, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not mistaken, the first time I went through the game I went through the planets as they were, and after the leviathan I went to korriban and faced him in the area right after you get out of the sith academy. Although I have no proof but I do remember lol.BlackStar: Envoy of the middle 23:56, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * It had to be a bug, I've played the game, well, a lot, and that never happened. Are you sure you did this after the 'Leviathan'' sequence.-- 00:02, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah it was probably a bug. I've played that game a lot and I've always fought him before the Leviathan.  If you can find proof it would help. VadersFist666 00:16, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah it most likely was as every time I do it now I face him on manaan I also faced another bug of being able to get 2 sith uniforms.BlackStar: Envoy of the middle 00:43, June 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I encoutered him before the Leviathan the first 3 times I finished the game. Now when I finished it, I encountered him after the Leviathan, on Korriban. So you can't tell for sure how it is supposed to happen.

Dark Lord of the Sith?
If Revan and Malak were corrupted by the Sith Emperor and essentially served him, could either of them actually be considered Dark Lord of the Sith? It seems to me that they adopted the title either to deflect attention away from the true threat of the Sith Empire in the Unknown Regions, or that Revan proclaimed himself Dark Lord of the Sith as the pair grew more ambitious. Just a thought. Darth Adonis 06:45, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Revan reminds me a lot of Darth Caedus (spelling?) in that he allows himself to fall to the Dark Side for the greater good. It is entirely possible that Revan and Malak fell to the Dark Side at the feet of the Sith Emperor, and upon returning, Revan decided that in order to protect the Republic from a greater threat (i.e., the Sith Empire) he attempted to destroy the Republic as it was to build it anew to be able to defend itself (and perhaps attack the Sith Empire since he knew where it was).  Alas, Darth Malak grew too ambitious and...well, you know the rest of that story.  I think that Revan only turned to the Dark Side for the greater good (ends justify the means).  It makes sense too, since after he (canonically) saved the Republic, he went right back out to the Unknown Regions to face the "true threat to the Republic."  I dunno...but that's what I's be thinkin'.  Darth Vispren, Dark Lord of the Sith 15:29, July 12, 2010 (UTC)

well, i tihnk the idea of his return as a sith was to strengthen the republic, so he tested it, he knew if he could defeat the republic, the hidden sith could as well, so between his empire and the republic, only the strongest could survive, and would have the best chance of defeating the real sith, malak never understood this and gave in to the raw emotions of the dark side, seeking to destroy not strengthen as his master had

Mind Wipe to start of KOtOR?
So this is one plot point that I have looked all over for and can't seem to find (though it's probably right in front of my face), and I'm hoping someone has an answer: How much time had passed between Revan's capture/mind wipe and the beginning of the game on the Endar Spire? Even a rough estimate would be nice. I can't imagine that it's been under a month, that would just be so bizarre. Thanks! 75.72.77.246 06:19, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * This page is for discussing changes to the article, not the subject. Please direct questions of this nature to the Knowledge Bank. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 07:12, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alllright my bad, new here. But if/once I find out, should it be placed in the article? I think it's pretty relevant to the character. 75.72.77.246 08:25, July 20, 2010 (UTC)

Revan's second search for the Star Maps
Maybe we should put more details of his adventures in each planet instead of simply stating he visited said planets blah, blah, blah --Life is like poker. You win some and you lose some, but in the end, the house always win 15:36, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Apprentice to the Sith Emperor
The source of Timeline 8: The Jedi Civil War does not confirm that Revan or Malak were apprenticed to the Sith Emperor.
 * "We know nothing of what transpired when Revan and Malak met the Sith Emperor. One thing is certain they did so on behalf of there new Dark Master."

The fact that they it names the Emperor as there Dark Master does not actually confirm that he was there specific Sith Master, since the Emperor was the Master of the Order and everyone in it. Anyway it also says that they know nothing of what transpired, so they can't possible have known if the Emperor was there master or not, all they did know was that they now served the Emperor; as does everyone else in it. Alexsau1991 (talk page) 19:13, August 27, 2010 (UTC)

New info: Revan "Reborn"
Here is a video talking about Revan's fate:

http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/mysteries-knights-old-republic

Unfortunately, they don't say what planet this complex is on. (- -) 03:39, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

This is most Interesting. A team is sent to an unknown place only named "Revan's Complex" After they defeat the enforcers, the Sith Officer gives the extreme pleasure of entering the complex first, to the guy in the mask with shoulder spikes. The trailer then shows Revan's mask on a pedestal and the Silhouette of a Hooded figure about to take the mask. Notice how the Silhouette and the shape of the one entering the complex don't match up. Hmmm.... Written by: Anonymous
 * This page is for discussing changes to the article, not the subject. Please direct speculation/discussion of this nature to the Knowledge Bank. JethLordMaster Ying yang copy.jpg (Xia Order) 19:44, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I found out that it is located on Nar Shadaa, from this recording: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5EEo6kwyXA&feature=player_embedded (- -) 03:40, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Personality and traits and powers and abilities
This article's been on this site for goodness knows how long, and yet nobody has bothered to describe Revan's personality. We know he was charismatic and a fine leader and that he fell in love with Bastila Shan, yet nobody's has bothered to describe what he's actually like. I was trying to improve the article by putting in a description of Revan's character and to be honest I'm getting annoyed that people keep taking it off. I'm not breaking any rules of the site by putting in a description of his personality, so why does everyone keep deleting it? If no one will allow me to write a description of his personality, then could they do it, since they probably have a better idea of his personality. I also put in the "Master Qui-Gon, more to say have you" thing since my knowledge of his personality is admittedly not brilliant, but I think it's good enough to at least put it in the article.--UnlimitedPower 22:49, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Also about the powers and abilities thing, most of the other articles that separate the powers and abilities say "Lightsaber training", "Force powers" and "Other abilities". It seems to be a tradition to write those on this site, if the description of the powers and abilities is a long one, and I don't want to break that tradition. That's why I got rid of "Combat skills" and "Strategy" though I kept the actual description of his strategies in the "Other abilities" section. Oh and another thing, that picture of Revan and Malak in the powers and abilities section has nothing to do with any of Revan's abilities; I think it was just put there to fill space and doesn't have any true significance. That's why I deleted it.--UnlimitedPower 22:49, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Given the fact that this article is not one of status, I actually can't argue with UnlimitedPower's logic on this one. However, Revan is a hot topic around here, so if edits end up in a war, it may be prudent to vote for any further changes here on the talk page, for the sake of conflict-avoidance. —Tommy 9281 23:26, October 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed this is not (yet) on any status, but, as Tommy said, hot topic, and IMO should be dealt like current or incoming FA. (not making any comment on unlimitedpower's edits directly this time) (: --Tm_T(Talk) 11:42, October 9, 2010 (UTC)

Jedi type
What type of Jedi was Revan supposed to be? The game has three options: Jedi Guardian, Jedi Sentinel, and Jedi Consular. Media always showed Revan with a red lightsaber (Sith) and a Blue lightsaber (Jedi). As Blue lightsabers are often associated with Jedi Guardians, wouldn't Revan be a Jedi Guardian? Revan alway did have a worrier style combat behavior, especially during the Mandalorian Wars as well. Not to take aways freedom of in-game choice, but it seems logical enough that Revan would be a Guardian.--76.3.74.15 00:57, October 20, 2010 (UTC)UnregisteredContributor 10/19/2010
 * In game, Dorak tells the player that he can have whatever lightsaber color he wants, thus making it undetermined. No other source has explicitly stated, either. The 8th Timeline video has said he used a blue lightsaber and a violet lightsaber, but this is also from Gnost Dural's perspective of the events. We use these as official sources, since they are, and the only one that has Revan appear "alive," as it were, was KotOR #42, in which he used a violet lightsaber.&mdash; 01:03, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

true alignment
was Revan really Sith? i know he apparently turned to the dark side, and waged war against the republic, but he did so in a way that was meant to preserve it, not to destroy it. i believe i heard somewhere that kreia believed that revan had neve really turned, and merely took exceptional measures to try and strengthen the republic against the threat of the Sith emperor. this does seem possible. after all, canonically, revan regains his memories in the course of KOTOR but still remains light-sided. and defeating malak would be consistent with his plans to strengthen the republic. also, before leaving, he instructed both carth onasi to strengthen and guard the republic, and gave canderous ordo the instruction to reform the mandalorians. possibly to create a joint force that could deal with the sith, should he fail. what do you guys think? Swordsquirrel 23:21, October 23, 2010 (UTC)

Path of Destruction shows that any pure motives he had were gone by the time he was captured. And given that the emporer would come for his head when he learned that revan double crossed him, keeping the galaxy intact would enable revan to defend himself from his pissed of master. So his motivations: preserving his own selfish ass.

DarthYan

Why Does Malak's bio list him as apprentice to sith emporer but not Revan?
Seriously, they both functioned at equal rank, so if the Emporer was Malak's sith master, he was definately revan's as well. If Revan got the job, it means the emporer had some faith in his abilities, and it's not that far fetched to think that he taught revan a few abilities.

Darth Yan

Revan's Complex
The trailer revealling it's existence has been out for at least three months, and is well documented. the details presented should be on the main page.
 * All what the trailer reveals, that somewhere is something that is called "Revan's complex", better wait more information so we have something to actually write. –Tm_T (Talk) 15:16, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

Why is the end of Revans history section speculation on what some fans think will happen? I was of the impression only what we know and can source should be added not fan theories?
 * I agree, it doesn't belong. It was a recent edit, so I reverted it. Bri-Jay Waycay 07:24, January 30, 2011 (UTC)

Revan's Class
For me I think it's really easy to assume that Revan had the first class of Scout as seen in the In-game picture of the faces. I mean it's clear that the clothes he has is the clothes of the scout same goes to the Jedi Exile having the clothes of a Jedi Guardian. BlasterS33 07:45, February 27, 2011 (UTC)BlasterS33

Unfortunately, we can't assume anything. but it is a good catch on your part, do you happen to know of there is something that positively points to his being a First class Scout? AricaBolts 02:19, April 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Should it also be mentioned that he was a Jedi Watchman, as Kreia mentions that in KotOr2 when you select a Prestige Class? Mandalore5 13:22, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I've just done the game and Kreia never mention such thing... but as for positive points for him being a scout well the Jedi council would most likely not put him on the front line for him to get killed ( I know it's still Revan but he start with no knowledge so that make him a regular guy... with some extra talent.) And another thing is that the entire time he would be a Scout well he would actually scout Taris for information on Bastila. Also if you want to repair Hk you can't be a soldier and I don't truly think with the scoundrel description they(the council) would put him in that rank. So if anyone else has positive points or even negative point it would be great to add them here BlasterS33 21:54, May 17, 2011
 * I apologise, I was mistaken. Mandalore5
 * As stated above, nothing can be assumed. But in recent material related to Revan, such as the TOR Timelines, Revan has been depicted possibly as a Jedi Guardian (i.e. blue lightsaber). Yes, classes do not technically have restricted colors. But virtually every Jedi we've seen in the KOTOR/TOR time period has stuck with the color of their class.JRT2010 19:14, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * And all that is speculation, so ... –Tm_T (Talk) 19:50, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * ... So next time make your point without coming off as sarcastic.JRT2010 20:56, May 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * I may also add that if you don't start with scout but start with the soldier class you will get pratically no skills point so you will find it really hard to repair HK and Revan is said to had an affinity for droid which may be more suitable for a scout or scoundrel( but really the scoundrel as a canon class would be really weird.... ).

Revan's "Master Plan"
As we all know, Revan came back to the Republic after meeting the sith emperor as a brutal Sith lord. To the people of the republic, it seemed like Revan was trying to take over the galaxy, however this may not be true. I propose adding a new sub-title about Revan's Master plan. After playing Kotor 2, you can talk to Disciple about how Revan's assassination of leaders was not to rule the Galaxy, but to unite it, creating a better defence against the sith empire that would attack soon. Another time this comes into play, but Kreia stops Disciple from sharing his findings. I think we should put this into the Revan page, of course the only reason I'm asking is because I have no idea how to use Wookieepedia and need someone else to do it.

Dragonstomper 16:05, April 27, 2011 (UTC)