Talk:Darth Caedus

Jedi guardian
why jacen is listed as a guardian, is fanon or what? Camar skywalker 22:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Apparently it is cannon, from what I saw in the Jedi Guardian article. And guys please sign your comments and questions. --Petiflo 13:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Cannon go boom!  Jasca Ducato Sith Council 20:32, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Tenal Ka
What year did they get married?

They didn't. And please sign your name on talk pages. Firebird 04:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

SorryMeesa yoda 19:24, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * i was wondering that same thing? Well i guess ishouldn't have started with the legacy of the Force series!!! I was reading it and I am like who the heck is she? oops:^)<**>ewokmenace

Wasn't Caedus in disguise when he was kidnapping Allana?
 * Yes he was.Darth Balls 08:50, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Inferno Spoilers
Not sure where else to put this, but there's a ton of stuff that has to be from Inferno after the end of the "Sacrifice" part of the article. I'm not sure how to tag it as spoiler, so hopefully someone who can do it sees this. --64.246.248.32 14:17, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * R those pages from sacrifice or inferno mabey u just got a bad copy no offense i got a book one time missin 4 pages alltogether<**>

Sith Saber
It's stated in the spoilers that Jacen ended up creating a new saber with the traditional red sith crystal. I've just finished Inferno and nowhere in the book, or the preview for the next one does it state that he was building a new saber. As has been seen in the alternate ending of the Episode III Game, and a few other places I can't think of off the top of my head. Not all Sith build their sabers, some are gifted them from their Masters. So I would say at this point that is conjecture, unless there is a verifiable source of this statement.  N.Y.N.E. Comlink 21:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Ummmmmm clearly one cannon source is verifiable and present, Jacen's Profile Picture, which is from the upcoming book Revelations, and though you can't really state he went on to make one, you can state he'd go on to use one, so yeah.. DawnStrike 21:30 3 September (UTC)
 * Even more, if you bothered to read the sentence at all you would have noticed that it says Jacen would eventually acquire a new lightsaber and use a traditional red Sith crystal... so yeah.... congrats?Darth Balls 20:28, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Wait a second, if Jacen lost his lightsaber during the duel with Luke, what did he stab Kyle Katarn with? He probably has a backup saber I guess, but I thought I'd point that out. 21:47, 12 December 2007 (UTC-8)
 * Did Luke Take Jacen's Saber? hmm ill have to do some re-reading. Hey does any one know who's on the cover of Fury because it looks like Jacen but does Jacen have a blue saber i thought it was green. (mabey i should finish the book) i can't wait for Revelation or Invincible*<:) <**>
 * That's Ben on the cover of Fury, and yes Jacen does have a green lightsaber, but he lost it at the end of Inferno. Jaina Leia Mara 21:45, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * finally someone whos actually responded to any of my messagesoh <**> thanks [ewokmenace]

Infobox image
Okay. Lets face it. Darth Caedus' image is a piece of shit. It is. It looks like the boy is chewing on gum after smoking some really bad pot as a 14 year old. Needs to be changed. I know there are many who say "it's the most recent!". The only thing I have to say in response to that is that I don't give a damn. Previous consensus on this matter is whatever looks best. So just hope the community feels the same way. -- Redemption  Talk 01:54, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Image #2

 * 1) Image 4 is overrated (come to think of it, with the exception of Jaina, the JP Joiner King cover is not to my taste). Firebird 14:35, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Image #4

 * 1) Doesn't look like a child. Looks old enough to actually be able to father children. Expression has "cheery" disposition.  Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 01:54, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Graestan concurs. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 01:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) This one also concurs.--Goodwood 01:58, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) This is the only picture of Jacen I've seen in which he looks like an adult. Plus, isn't the Revelation image inaccurate now that Inferno's been released? Didn't Jacen get part of his face sliced off? Israi 15:53, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) He does look like an adult here. --Petiflo 17:00, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) I concur Meesa yoda 17:00, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) I agree as well DarthPraxus 12:28, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) In favor, for now. Hopefully, we'll get something good from the Japanese covers. DarthSanctimonious 15:58, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) This is probably the only good image of him that exist, the legacy one makes him look like some skinny wrist cutting emo.--\\Captain KAJ// 20:27, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) Jaina Leia Mara 16:34, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * umm well isnt that a image that "takes place" in the Joiner King? So yeah he is like 26years old<**>--ewokmenace Single issue voter, and he voted for both.  Hobbes ( Tiger's Lair ) 16:30, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Current

 * 1) Darth Vatrir-I like this one because its both the most up to date, and its stylish and intimidating, quite appropriate for the newest addition to the roster of psychotic, power-crazed maniacs.
 * 2) Darth Balls-Since this is the most up-to-date (though the book's not out yet) and captures what Jacen has become. Though 4 is a close second.Darth Balls 05:13, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) DawnStrike-I'm for this one. It's not bad, and it's the most accurate, official, and current potrayal of him.--DawnStrike 03:39, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) QuentinGeorge 12:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC) It's an official picture. It's the latest official picture. Take your "it sucks" complaints elsewhere. QuentinGeorge 12:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) *I'm not sure if that was a shot at my expense but either way. If it sucks...it doesn't belong in the infobox. I believe we had a consensus on this. And I apologize if I at least try to make the article look better...-- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 19:38, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Oyam5000 16:42, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) The current is the best image. It is the most up-to-date, and alot better than the lame ones that have been in his profile pic for FAR TOO LONG. Darth Byss 13:50, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) As abominable as it is, he's just undergone a major change. Keep the Sith image, I say, and let's hope the Japanese rendition gets here on a wing and a prayer. Thefourdotelipsis 14:23, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) As the most recent canonical rendition, I have to default to this one. Even though he does look like he's chewing tobacco. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 14:50, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) I have to agree with KAJ, who voted for Image #4...this is the only image that makes him look like the wrist curring emo that he is. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 14:58, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 11) If he currently looks like a tobacco chewing emo kid then his article should reflect that he looks like a tobacco chewing emo kid. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 15:06, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
 * This one is easily the best --ShadowEdgeX 08:44, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * ha he looks like hes gona puke no offenseewokmenace See comment on Image 4.  Hobbes ( Tiger's Lair ) 16:30, 13 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Def. keep this one. Shows off his Sithy~ness. Tam 20:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) havalynii-I think this one looks dumb, but it IS canon and it's the only one where he looks decidedly evil (or Dark Side-like, depending on whether you consider that evil). I like #5 the best personally, but he looks too nice, and in #4 he looks like Daniel from Stargate.  So I (regrettably) vote for this one. Havalynii 17:54, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Comments
Regarding infobox images it should be a case of wether an image is good or not and the legacy one is pathetic.--\\Captain KAJ// 18:05, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Name on his page
SINCE JACEN HAS CEASED TO BE JACEN SOLO, THE PAGE SHOULD BE TITLED DARTH CAEDUS. AM I RIGHT? YES I AM. PLEASE REPLY, SOMEONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 * Alright first : no need to use caps, we can read you just fine without them. Second : could you please sign your comments. Third : hmm I think you're right, since Lumiya's page is titled "Lumiya" and not "Shira Brie", just as Darth Krayt's page isn't titled "A'Sharad Hett", maybe the page should be renamed "Darth Caedus" for the sake of uniformity. Either that either rename the two others I mentionned. Petiflo 17:21, 28 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. Throughout Inferno he refers to himself as Caedus not Jacen Solo and so I think the title of this article should reflect this. Grunny (Talk) 09:02, 29 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Jacen Solo is dead...There is only Darth Caedus. Darth Byss 03:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Not only does every other character's POV refer to him as Jacen, but the Dramatis Personae (OFFICIAL, and not from a POV) refers to him as such. We leave the page where it is. Firebird 06:05, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe we can not go by any definite standard. Even people at LFL are referring to Jacen as Darth Caedus. Plus nobody IU knows that Jacen is a Sith Lord, much less know his name. Darth Caedus believes Jacen is dead. Take Palpatine for example...what was his true name...Darth Sidious, but we keep it at Palpatine because it was the name he was first called by and the name mostly known. Darth Tyranus we call Count Dooku because that is what he was known by IU and OOU. However, IU both of Caedus's parents consider Jacen dead, so does Luke, and Darth Caedus himself believes his old self is dead, and regardless of any standard or what not, the issue has always been what people WANT to call a character. Darth Bane was known as Darth Bane. He left his old identity behind. We do not call him by his birth name because he remade and renamed himself. This is why we shouldn'y call Darth Bane anything else but DARTH BANE. Darth Vader died when he turned back to the light and became Anakin Skywalker once more. Now how was he most known OOU? He is known mostly as Darth Vader. My point is this, we can not give an absolute standard and definition for this issue because it is subjective to a number of facts. You must use discernment. I believe this page should be moved to Darth Caedus because of IU reasons and author intent. Also you can not say that a Dramatis Personae over rides everything else we know. You will run into many problems if you hold that as standard. The issue should have been settled by this statement alone:

"Caedus...my name is Darth Caedus"

and by rights both IU and OOU, a person has a right to change there name and identitfy themselves with a new name, regardless of what other people knew them by before. Darth Caedus's rise has been along time coming. You can see it even from the beginning. He always had a sort of attitude that basically said that he was right and that his view was the only view. You can see it in his arguements with Anakin Solo and his disagreements with his uncle and sister. He thinks himself greater than he truly is, believes his way is best and that he knows what is best for everyone. You can even observe Darth Caedus trying to deny what he knew in his heart to be true all along when he was captured by Vergere. She made him acknowledge his darkness. You saw the cognitive dissonance he suffered in his denial but he finally accepted it, not because it was objectively true, but because deep down he wanted it to be true. Why? Freedom. No longer would he have to worry about good and bad, right and wrong, and other such issues. He would do what was right in his own eyes. It gave him what he wanted...power and control over his own life and destiny, or at least, the illusion of it. Even a quick read between the loving Jacen Solo and the ruthless Darth Caedus, you can observed the shift in identity, and it is significant enough that it appears that a new character entirely has been created. The personalities between Jacen and Caedus differ enough, IMO, to justify the move from the article being under Jacen Solo, to it's appropriate title of Darth Caedus. Darth Byss 15:14, 30 September 2007 (UTC)

LFL may have chosen his Sith name, but the only time he's referred to as such is from his POV. And yes, I do generally take the DP as standard. Leave the page where it is until such a time when any DP refers to him via his Sith name.  Firebird  Phoenix Rising 17:33, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No matter what the DP says, he is gone. He acknowledge it himself as well as his parents. The only reason why only himself refers to him as Darth Caedus is because no one else knows him by this name. Petiflo 12:11, 1 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That is POV though. The DP is not, and more accurate in general.  Firebird  Phoenix Rising [[Image:Era-njo.png|20px]] 12:41, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

It seems that our trend here is to call a Sith by the name that the galaxy knows them best as. At this time, the galaxy thinks it's Jacen, and therefore I think we should keep it as Jacen unless Caedus comes into more common use.131.229.185.43 21:12, 15 October 2007 (UTC)

wow!! powerfull speach<**>ewokmenace
 * Jacen is a Sith and there is a good chance that he will stay a Sith. Not just Jacen but all Sith should be refered to on wookieepedia by their Sith name unless they were redeemed. Jacen Solo is dead there is only Darth Caedus. Darth Nezzera ( In umbris potestas est )[[Image:Sith_Emblem.svg|30px]] 15:53, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Not only that but you have yet demonstrated how POV is incorrect and DP is not. The DP once labled Lumiya as a Dark Jedi, when she was specifically refered to as being a Sith. Besides, if this is a majority decission, then you really can't stop it (no offense). So please demonstrate for us why the DP is reliable and not POV. DarthMalus 14:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Fine, I'll state it in simple words: WE DO NOT MOVE THE PAGE UNTIL AN ADMIN APPROVES. You're also ignoring the fact that my above post is over two months old.  Firebird  [[Image:Moltresheadsig.PNG]] Phoenix Rising 14:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * TOTALY FACE IT PEOPLE NO MATTER HOW MUCH YOU WISHED IT WOULD NOT COME TO THIS IT HAS JACEN IS DEAD TO ALL REPLACED BY A MONSTER OF EVIL, DARTH CADEUS


 * Unless Jacen is redeemed, the article should be labeled "Darth Caedeus". Kraytt has his Sith name as the head title. Anakin's article isn't named "Darth Vader" because he was redeemed. Jedi Striker 14:22, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Would everyone PLEASE read this EVERYONE IN-UNIVERSE KNOWS HIM AS Jacen Solo AND SINCE THE ARTICLE IS WRITTEN FROM AN IN-UNIVERSE PERSPECTIVE THEY WOULD STILL LABEL HIM AS SUCH. Thank You.Darth Balls 20:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * So, now that Revelation is out, will we change this? Charlii 09:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Darth Caedus revealed himself AS Darth Caedus to Shevu. Everyone knows he's Darth Caedus now. The name needs to be changed. 128.205.223.120 21:50, 28 February 2008 (UTC)RevanCaedus
 * Yes, he explicitly asked Shevu and Tahiri to use his new name, which means that other people in the GAG and the higher command will hear it shortly (I think the bridge crew on the Anakin already did?). Also, his family (and by that the Jedi order) and Boba Fett all heard the recording and know his true identity by now. Charlii 22:22, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I think that it should stay "Jacen Solo" for now, because the Legacy of the Force series hasn't yet been completed, so who's to say he won't go back to the light, or reject Caedus as his name before the series ends? Maybe it is best to just wait and see what happens with the character before cementing a label on him, since his life and storyline in-universe is still ongoing. (Zadi 22:19, 28 February 2008 (UTC)) (Zadi)

It should be Caedus. If you read the excerpt for Invincible even JAINA refers to and thinks of him as Caedus. His own twin sister. Everyone in the Universe now knows him as Caedus. If this were actually IN-Universe he would demand it be titled Darth Caedus. This needs to be changed now.128.205.223.120 06:38, 1 March 2008 (UTC)Darth Nikolai

Redemption
Will Jacen be redeemed by his family or will he simply stay a Sith and be killed by Krayt for being worthless in his order? Revan became a Sith Master and he was redeemed (though only because Malak destroyed parts of his mind). Perhaps Jacen could be redeemed as well. I know Invincible is 6 months away, but I just want to be sure. - Will Karner 9:42 A.M., 21 November 2007

Here are a few reasons why you should put the Jedi info-box back in, along with adding the "Redeemed Jedi" category as well:


 * Knowing the Skywalker family, Jacen would have to follow the family tradition and turn back to the light someday.


 * It's not Jacen's fault he turned to the dark side. Vergere and Lumiya twisted his mind in the first place, just like Sidious did grandpa Anakin.


 * The love for his offspring can redeem Jacen, knowing little Allana's age and innocence.

I hope this is "sourceful" enough for this, guys. - Will Karner 13:01 P.M., 24 November 2007

Sorry, no not really.Meesa yoda 20:51, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

It would be interesting to see Jacen actually end up differently from his grandfather or uncle and remain lost to the Dark Side forever. That would seem more original and refreshing but that's only my opinion. Of course no other main character is supposed to die in the series so If he did stay evil he would have to be imprisoned or go into exile which seems unlikely. - Weyd 3:45 P.M., November 27, 2007


 * hey no offense i think Ben needs to put a vibrodagger through his heart and get it over with.....yet mabey i don't<**>ewokmenace

I honestly think that Jaina will not kill him. I don't think that the Star Wars universe has it in "it" to have one sibling kill another. But then again, who would have thought they would have him kill Mara? I think Jaina will bring him back to the light, then maybe he will go into exile. Also, something must happen with Allana, she seems to be a strong motivating factor for Jacen. I also think it would be extremely lame to kill Jacen and have him turn back to the light side just like Darth Vader before his death. We have seen that too many times. I think it would be even cooler to have him be a "good sith", and leave his position of power, but still be a Sith Lord, just not an evil one. This would follow with his thoughts on the force from NJO, where there is no light or dark, just the Force itself. That would be interesting...(Zadi 22:27, 28 February 2008 (UTC)) (Zadi)

Death
I think Jaina is gonna kill him, or Han. - Revan rocks Caedus sucks December 2 2007

What about Krayt? He despises Jacen for being a cheap imitation of a Dark Lord. Perhaps when Caedus does meet the New Sith Order for the first time, his death would probably be like this:

Caedus: (relieved) Oh, my fellow Sith...

Dician: "Fellow Sith?" (laughs) I thought our master said he was the enemy, Lord Wyyrlok.

Wyyrlok I: Yes, my dear. That was what I heard from him

Caedus: (shocked) "Master?"

Wyyrlok: Release the Sith hounds.

''Cage opens. A pack of Sith hounds slowly prowls on Caedus. Caedus begins to reach for his lightsaber, but the belt was weaponless. A shadow of Caedus' demise is shown on the cliffs of Korriban.''

How's that for a death scene? Well you gotta admit, Wyyrlok I would need a first appearance. - Will Karner 8:57 P.M., 4 December 2007
 * Both of these posts are fannon and opinion. Please stop with the fannon and take opinions to the Senate Hall.Darth Balls 02:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No, don't take opinions to the Senate Hall. Take them to a forum away from Wookieepedia, where they belong. Hobbes ( Tiger's Lair ) 02:30, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Please don't get overly negative and answer my opinions, will you? I'm only a sophomore, you know. - Will Karner 11:22 P.M., 4 November 2007
 * Age is no excuse to disregard rules and what you have been ordered to do. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 04:46, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank You for the support but I don't have the authority to order, I try to remind people that the talk pages is for article-betterment discussion and none of this <^>. Again PLEASE leave fannon out of Wookiepeedia and opinion on the Forum.Darth Balls 19:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The forum is not for opinion either&mdash; it's for questions about the wiki. Save the speculation for a "real" forum, not an encyclopedia. Hobbes ( Tiger's Lair ) 02:49, 13 December 2007 (UTC)
 * hey doesn't Jaina track down Boba and she wants him to train her?ewokmenace

Name Change
I really think we should change the title to Darth Caedus. As Caedus states himself: "Caedus. My name is Caedus." Maxi6 00:02, 13 December 2007 (UTC)Maxi6
 * We already have this discussion on this talk page, but here's it again. Everyone else In-Universe knows him as Jacen, so we leave it Jacen. Everyone In-Universe (and out for that matter) knows Palpatine as Palpatine, not Darth Sidious, so the page is Palpatine. Same goes for Count Dooku, though Anakin Skywalker is known as Darth Vader by most everyone he has been redeemed and is mainly referred to as Anakin by major characters, so it's Anakin. By-the-by please search the talk page for a topic before creating a new one. Thank You.Darth Balls 00:41, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I still say we change it to Darth Caedus. I understand why you want to keep the name at Jacen Solo, but technically Jacen Solo is dead.Maxi6 00:21, 14 December 2007 (UTC)Maxi6
 * Technically Jacen is dead, but literally everyone knows him as Jacen, sorry.Darth Balls 05:42, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

So he's going to be known by who people think he is, not who he is?Maxi6 20:27, 15 December 2007 (UTC)Maxi6
 * Everyone KNOWS him as Jacen so that's what the page is, notice that all articles are past tense? That's because this happened A Long Time Ago... and that's IN-UNIVERSE not here out-of-universe. Everyone IN-UNIVERSE knows him as Jacen, so this database chronicles (read: reports the past) this accordingly.Darth Balls 22:19, 15 December 2007 (UTC)


 * uhh you people we went through this already did we notewokmenace

How about a compromise...something like "Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus" or "Darth Caedus/Jacen Solo". It seems so trivial to argue about it ...sheesh. Zadi 21:13, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

New Sith Order?
How can we put the New Sith Order as one of his affiliations when he hasn't even met these Sith yet? He's probably going to die or get redeemed anyway, and Alema Rar died, so she couldn't warn Caedus about these Sith or give Caedus their "gift" for him. Besides, it is obvious he believes strongly in the Rule of Two as indicated in Inferno. Any thoughts?--Zhran 03:16, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it's bogus, and if there's no source for it, it should be deleted. Darth Bassan94 15:09, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Of course Jacen's in the New Sith Order, but he doesn't know that yet. The Rule of Two was dissolved years ago by Krayt and that means it would be bad luck for Jacen when or if he ever finds out. Besides, the New Sith don't want him to join them because he's a cheap imitation of a Dark Lord and an idiot. What do you think? - Will Karner 5:29 P.M, 22 December 2007
 * I don't think that Jacen's in the New Sith Order, he believes he's in Darth Bane's Order and the New Sith don't want him. So there's my 2 cents.Darth Balls 00:13, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

another thing whats with all the "hey i thought only two sith at a time","no we are one" i mean come onewokmenace
 * Alema dies????? hu imagine that i never would have guessed

Error
This first part doesn't make any sense, the second needs to be clarified.

"Jacen pretended to plan to offer up Ganner as a gift to the True Gods, killing him within the Well of the World Brain. But Jacen had something else in mind entirely.

"Jacen gave Ganner Anakin's lightsaber, giving him the choice of exactly how to use it."

I also corrected a section under Galactic Alliance Guard to specify that it was Jacen who killed Vel, previously it said Solo, then mentioned Ben being shocked by his action, not specifed, leading people to believe it was Ben who killed her. Sephiroth Kali 18:33, 3 January 2008 (UTC)

Caedus
Is it pronounced Say-dus or Kay-dus? Cos I'm not sure. Jaina Leia Mara 21:49, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * technically its(kay-dus) so yes didn't u even check out the darth who contest?<**>? ewokmenace oris it? this is where my honors classes should com in handy lets see but i thin it should be kay because then it sounds different from sidius (yes thats probrably spelt wrong


 * I believe it is "Ki-dus", as that's how it would be pronounced in Latin. Bozeas The C isn't pronounced as an S. That much I know.


 * Actually "Caedus" in Latin would be pronounced "Kee-dus", as in the original spelling of "encyclopedia", "encyclopaedia". But I do believe that "Kay-dus" is correct, albeit this isn't typical for Latin (of course, I'm not sure how much weight is given to Latin phonetics in Star Wars).
 * Please sign your comments with four tildes (~) Havalynii and Bozeas. The same goes for 71.197.13.15, because although you're an anonymous user, it's still good for peopl to know that it's an anonymous user posting. Marco Lam  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]]( Contact ) 03:07, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Turning into his old grandpapy?
Is Jacen really becoming more like grandpa Anakin when he keeps getting step by step into the dark side or just a lot less? That's what I'd like to know. 68.228.149.192 03:19, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay... Doesn't anyone have an idea when the Jedi are going to tell him that Jacen was acting like grandpa Anakin? Not even half as good or better than the Sith Lord? If so, then Jacen would feel really insulted. When they would say something like that? I don't know... 68.228.149.192 00:00, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * He knows he's acting like Anakin, he knows he looks like Vader with his Black Fatigues and his Black Cloak. He's purposefully making that parallel to strike fear into the hearts of his enemies. No one needs to tell him he's like Anakin because that's his goal. By the way, no one in the Jedi Order knows he's a Sith, they just think he's turned Dark, more specifically only Jacen knows he's a Sith. And to answer your questions, Yes he's becoming more like Anakin. I think they'll confront him in Revelation, seeing as the title is Revelation and they may have one about his turn to the Dark Side of the Force. He's not really better or worse, seeing he's only a few months into his Sith reign. Again, Revelation.Darth Balls 08:42, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Yes, but when Jaina will finally confront her evil twin in Invincible, she might tell him that "if he'd have half the good Grandfather had inside, he'd never let the Sith control his mind forever." And let me guess: Caedus would get more angry and shout, "he has 20 times the good Grandfather had inside!" Only a duel between twins would decide his fate: Redemption or die in darkness.

Sorry if you think this worthless, but it's my best shot of having Caedus be like Scar. So we had better "Be Prepared..." 68.228.149.192 12:51, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

The picture of Caedus fighting Jaina
Where does this come from?
 * The cover of Invincible. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 20:06, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

OK 2 things about this guy
1. I pesonaly think their trying to milk the Vader story. Like Anakin, Jacen is an insecure, obnoxious, emo kid with issues who becomes a sith to satisfy his hunger for power who will either die a terrible firey death :) or be redeemed, forgiven and every1 will play happy and nice.

2. How does a worthless monkey like him kill Mara Jade?


 * First of all, this is the talk page, for talking about the Article not the actual(lol) person. Secondly, of course they're milking his Skywalker lineage everyone up to and including Jacen acknowledge and say that he's turning into his grandfather. He may be insecure and obnoxious but he's not an emo kid, give me proof he's a cutter etc. For your second point, don't call people monkeys that's racist, and no one's invincible in Star Wars-save for Luke, cause Lucas said so-they've been trying to instill that in all of the EU readers since Vector Prime when they offed the Walking Carpet. So Jacen fully had the power to kill Mara as does he have the potential to kill his parents, cousin, sister, lover or any and all of his friends. To conclude don't talk about the person, talk about the Article.Darth Balls 15:30, 29 January 2008 (UTC)


 * First off what he said, secondly, yes, and they're not doing a good job of it because so far he's been almost killed by Luke, Mara, and Carid. Maybe they should think about having him win a fight for once. (Luckyluke37 20:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC))

Tahiri Veila
Does Caedus really take her on as a Sith apprentice? Doe she tell her that he is the Dark Lord? Because in her article, it says that she is a Dark Jedi and a potential Sith.--Jedi Kasra 02:58, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * First please mark spoilers shomehow, second let's wait until the book releases or someone to elaborate that actually has the book.Darth Balls 04:20, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Name change, Rnd. 2
All right, now that the Invincible summary is saying that he's using his Sith name publicly, do we at least consider moving the page? I myself am trying to stay neutral on the issue now, so I'm not taking the initiative. On a related note, could someone please post the consensus track (I think) on naming conventions? Thanks.  Firebird  Phoenix Rising 10:11, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This is written from an in-galaxy POV right? in this story arch people are still referring to Jacen and Jacen, though i will concede that Luke (if memory serves) said something along the lines of "...or Darth Caedus as he refers to himself...", he and everyone else (even in the preview to Invincible) referred to him as Jacen. As always, I vote for the no-name-change until in the histories in-galaxy cite him as Darth Caedus.Darth Balls 09:15, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The "as Jacen called himself now" was Jaina recognizing that Darth Caedus is not a separate entity but is her brother. As it is surrounded by commas, the sentace could stand alone without what's inside them and hence it would read "Darth Caedus had to be stopped." Jaina has recognized her brother as Darth Caedus. Caedus demands to be referred to by his sith name, the galaxy knows him as Caedus now. It doesn't matter whether everyone wants to think of him as Jacen still. Like I said, if this were actually in-universe, Caedus would demand that it read Darth Caedus. It needs to be changed.Darth Nikolai 22:17, 2 March 2008 (UTC)Darth Nikolai
 * I agree with Darth Nikolai Jacen Solo needs to be changed to Darth Caedus. He announced himself as that new name, and that is how he is known.--Darth Revanon 5:23, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's my two cents. Until the book Legacy of the Force: Invincible comes out and we find out the final fate of Caedus, we shouldn't change the name. I think it's supposed to come out on May 13th, so we can wait a little while longer. Oh, by the way, Darth Nikolai, you don't have to put sign your name after you use the four tildes.--Jedi Kasra 22:53, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yea that is true. So your saying that when the Dramatis Personae of Invincible comes out which sould be in the beginning of may, if it Just states Darth Caedus and no Jacen, we change it??--Darth Revanon 5:56, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No. We need to know what happens to Darth Caedus, whether he lives or dies as Jacen Solo or Darth Caedus, redeemed or not redeemed, since there is a chance he might go in exile as a Sith, but who knows? Anything can happen. Still, we shouldn't switch it untl we find out whether he goes back to being called Jacen Solo or not.--Jedi Kasra 23:03, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * By the way, if you guys don't mind I'll be changing the name of this subject to "Name Change, Rnd. 2", since, if you look a few sections above, there is already a section called "Name Change".--Jedi Kasra 23:07, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's the thing though, he is best known NOW as Caedus. It's what he demands to be referred to as. The most up to date information is him sharing his Sith name, not just with his apprentice or in musings to himself, but with his underlings and asking that he be known as Caedus and addressed as My Lord, (when not on duty of course). Therefore for the article to be up to date it must read Darth Caedus. (Oh and thanks Kasra)Darth Nikolai 23:12, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No, problem, Darth Nikolai. The thing is, even though he is known as Caedus now, what will he be known by as soon as this series is over? Say he is redeemed. I highly doubt he, Luke, or the Jedi would want anyone else still calling him "Darth Caedus". I think that's why Wookieepedia merged the Darth Vader article into Anakin Skywalker's article, even though most people in the universe know him better as Darth Vader, the galaxy eventually did find out that Anakin was Vader. Suppose we move the article to "Darth Caedus", then we find out in May that he becomes redeemed? Then, in my opinion, the move will have been a waste, since it would be moved back to his current name.--Jedi Kasra 23:49, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with what ure saying Kasra, but if we change his name to Darth Caedus now for the time being, it wudnt be that hard 2 change his name back to Jacen again if he was redeemed. so that is probably why we should just keep it as Darth Caedus for a little while like until may, then if there is for example a spoiler that says what will happen to Caedus (which im sure there will be) then we change it back to Jacen if we need to, or keep it as Caedus if thats the way it is supposed to be. But right now, as we know in the end of Revelation and the sneak peek of Invincible hes refered to Caedus by everyone and in the summary that we have of Invincible he is now known openly as Caedus and also there is the fact that the Imperials are on Caedus's side and, just like in episodes 4, 5, and 6 and the books that are with the actual Darth Vader, he is referred to as My Lord or Lord Vader, just like I bet that Caedus will be as we saw in Revelation with the conversation with him and Lon Shevu saying that he would now like to be called My Lord or somthing along those lines.--Darth Revanon 8:26, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Exactly, the way I see it, there's no need to MOVE the article. Darth Caedus WAS Jacen Solo. He isn't any longer, but that is his history. Change the name for now at least because that is what's current IN-UNIVERSE. if come may, he becomes Jacen again, well then change it back, it's not that difficult and it gives those of us who love Caedus as Caedus a chance to sleep at night ;-) Plus, let's be logical, if Caedus was going to be redeemed, Traviss would've been writing the last book. The other two others make him seem like a crazed monster. Denning's not likely to redeem Caedus. Darth Nikolai 06:43, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * And since when do we wait for the next part to be published before we update an article? Isn't one goal of this 'pedia to be as up-to-date as possible? Charlii 16:14, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not opposed changing the name of the article now, but I think it would probably be best to wait until Invincible is out, and besides, his family will always refer to him as Jacen.Tank 17:10, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Do the Galactic Alliance citznes as a whole call Jacen "Darth Caedus"? Or do the soldiers with whom he serves call him Caedus? The citizens know him better as Jacen Solo and would attribute his demands to be called "Darth Caedus" as the rantings of a madman, not a legitimate demand from a Sith Lord. Excluding the Jedi, those that previously served with Jacen (such as Cha Niathal) and those in the Galactic Alliance Guard, ony a few people know he's Sith. He's better known as Jacen Solo. For 31 years he was known as Jacen Solo, not Caedus. In the S.W. universe, no one save for Darth Sidious, Yoda, Obi-Wan Kenobi, and a very few others knew Darth Vader was previously Anakin Skywalker. Yes, Jacen Solo (for the time being) is dead. I just don't want us to go on a limb by changing the title of the article, only to have us (perhaps) be wrong the day Invincible comes out. Maybe setting up a poll wouldn't be a bad idea. But it would have to be in the Senate Hall, where everyone can have access to it.--Jedi Kasra 19:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with what Darth Nikolai said about Denning not being likely to have Caedus redeemed 2 Jacen again. Because denning killed anakin solo, who says that he cant kill another solo kid?? Jacen is gone completly for the time being, so we need 2 update his page by having it say Darth Caedus. And it doesnt matter that the GAG and the GA citizens dont know his real name. its only important that the main characters know. Oh and Jedi Kasra wats a senate poll cuz im still learning things in wookieepedia?? and I also agree with Chaarlii at the part were he said that This site should always be updated and it would if Jacen Solo was changed 2 Darth Caedus.--Darth Revanon 8:26, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * However, we don't deal in speculation on Wookieepedia, whether Denning will kill Caedus or not. We can't change it just on specualtion on what we think Troy Denning will do or not do. And to answer your question, Revanon, the Senate Hall is "a site-wide discussion area meant for topics concerning Wookieepedia." You could have a discussion on whether or not we should change this article's name or not, and everybody will have access to it. I 'll put up the forum on there so everyone can have access to it.--Jedi Kasra 22:43, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * O.K. I put up the forum called Forum:Name change for Jacen Solo at the Senate Hall. You can go there if you like.--Jedi Kasra 23:27, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

The True Sacrifice?
In the book Revelation it says that his slaying of Mara Skywalker and the loss of Ben's adulation was not his real sacrifice. On Pg. 71 it says this:

"While he was still Jacen Solo, Caedus had been warned that command—rule—was lonely, but now he knew what Tenel Ka meant when she told him it was the price of being a leader. He was utterly alone now, rejected even by his daughter, Allana. That...that was my sacrifice. He had convinced himself that it was Mara Skywalker. Then he had convinced himself that it was Ben's adulation he'd sacrificed by killing her. Now he knew that whatever the ancient Sith tassels had prophesied in their arcane language of knots and colors, his sacrifice was an ordinary man's precious connection to other beings—love, trust, and intimacy . He could never recover any of it. Allana was gone from him forever. His only comfort was that the galaxy would be safer for her."

- Excerpt from Legacy of the Force: Revelation

The article should reflect this new belief of his.--Jedi Kasra 00:42, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Saber Skills
"Caedus considered himself the best lightsaber duelist of his time, second only to Luke Skywalker." So then he considered himself second best, right? The quoted sentence is totally contradictory. You don't consider yourself to be the best at anything if you consider yourself to be second to anyone! You consider yourself second best. The line should be changed to read "Caedus considered himself the second best lightsaber duelist of his time, second only to Luke Skywalker." or something like that, or else it should be deleted entirely, and I for one know which option I favor. SpartHawg948 12:05, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the point is that Caedus thinks Luke was the best, but now his skill has declined with age. Darth Bassan94 15:33, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * the phrase "of HIS time" means Jacen's generation not luke's. and i believe that the "second only to luke..." bit means that he's second overall.Darth Balls 06:31, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * My point is that Jacen considers himself the best of his time, but not as good as Luke was in times past. Darth Bassan94 14:51, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

"Bring peace to the galaxy"
What does Jacen mean by what he said about making the galaxy peaceful again? Have the Sith die along with him and Tahiri? That'll be suicide!! But I don't know. Anyone got a clue? 131.109.225.3 20:49, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Remember that Palpatine wanted to bring peace to the galaxy as well. I think it's all point of view. The Jedi think that when the Sith are gone, the galaxy will be peaceful, and the Sith think that when the Jedi are gone and the Sith themselves rule the galaxy, it will be peaceful (more accurately, stable). Grand Moff Tranner 21:25, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The Jedi maintain the balance between good and evil (becuase peace cannot exist without conflict), while the Sith belive that if they destroy freedom than that will bring preace to the galaxy! ~ Awar 15:17, 31 March 2008 (UTC).

Stat Card Image
I really think that the card image should be moved to another section, perhaps in the behind the scenes section. If no one has any objection, I'll go ahead and do it.--Jedi Kasra 02:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Jacen Solo on Wheels
Why is this article now called "Jacen Solo on Wheels"? Is it vandalism or is it something left over from April Fools Day? --Tom rules 11:57, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Vandalism. If you ever see something with "On Wheels" in the title, inform the admins right away. jSarek 11:59, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

The jerk
Is it worth mentioning in BtS that Jacen is referred to as 'a jerk' in the fan community (and even official "sources" have allegedly referred to him as a jerk)? KEJ 11:12, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Wanna-be Sith Lord
Who else thinks that Jacen is a wanna-be Sith Lord? I mean, Darth Sidious was a better a Sith Lord, and that's coming from a guy who hates him.

 Drgns007 Sith Lord 21:26, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I tire of saying this, but alas, it must be said. If it doesn't directly involve the improvement of the article, don't put it here. Put that stuff on your userpage, or the forums, or Darthipedia, or anywhere else that accepts fan opinions as SW fact. Thank you, and good night. Darth Bassan94 23:51, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's like Darth Krayt saying that Caedus is the cheap imitation of his grandpa or even impersonating the role of Dark Lord while doesn't know that the New Sith Order existed yet. Who's the true Dark Lord during 40 ABY? Caedus or Krayt? 72.82.9.127 23:10, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Technically, both are. Caedus is the true Dark Lord according to the Rule of Two; Krayt, the Rule of One. I suppose Cadeus would be considered "more true" over Krayt, since the Rule of One is Krayt's invention. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 00:16, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd say Caedus only, since he is the heir to the major Sith cult and doesn't know about Krayt's new one. Krayt, on the other hand, knows about Caedus but doesn't challange him. Without challenging the current holder of the title he can hardly claim it for himself. No source claims he did, either. And this is probably getting a bit off topic... Charlii 10:15, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Page move
Based on the quote from Tahiri Veila, shouldn't this be moved to Darth Caedus, finally? --Squishy Vic (discussion) (contributions) 06:19, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Yes it should. The current stance that we should wait for Invincible to be realsed is ridiculous. Right now this second he is Darth Caedus and noboady else, everyboady now knows him as Caedus and its what he demands to be known as, to use his own words his true name. Should we move Darth Krayt to Asharad Hett and wait until the end of the Legacy Comics in case he is redeemed, I think not. - KAJ – Talk 13:25, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, agreed. --Squishy Vic (discussion) (contributions) 22:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Drewton  22:34, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree as well. It needs to be Darth Caedus.--Darth Revanon 6:37, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, too. Besides, if Caedus gets redeemed (doubt it, but who knows), the page can always be moved back to Jacen Solo. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 13:52, 19 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Exactly regardless of what he may or may not be called by the end of Invincible right now he is Darth Caedus, and in order for us to be an accurate and up to date encyclopedia we need to call him that as well. - KAJ – Talk 19:00, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * This has already been discussed before. Take a look here. Everybody does not know Jacen as Caedus.--Jedi Kasra 21:10, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * They do now, remember? 131.109.225.3 19:44, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * There are always spoilers on Wookieepedia. Darth Caedus is a more up-to-date/accurate title for the page.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 20:33, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * First all the solos and skywalker saw the hologram where he tells GAG Captain Lon Shevu to call him Darth Caedus so his family and the Jedi know him by that name. Also what I just said made it obvious that the military now no him as Darth Caedus. Finally the following quote "You may call me Darth Caedus. I shall be known only by my true name from now on" states that EVERYBODY will be calling him that. Also i'm sure he will not tolerate having to hear his old name again remember him wincing and getting aggravated everytime somone called him jacen after sacrifice? Steves490 20:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean everybody in real life, I meant everybody in universe, the GFFA, the One Sith, the Empire. He only told Shevu that he was Caedus, and Shevu in turn told the Solos and Skywalkers. Look, we only have a couple weeks until the book is released, can't we just wait and see what happens?--Jedi Kasra 02:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think Steves490 meant "everybody in real life." IMO, we have plenty of evidence to move this to Darth Caedus. Like I said before, it's not like we can't move this back if he gets redeemed. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 11:24, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I was talking about people in universe, if this was about people in real life knowing his name the page would have been changed months ago. Steves490 06:24, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Jedi Kasra, not everyone knows him as Darth Caedus yet, so we should wait for Invincible to come out  Jaina Leia Mara Jedi Knight
 * It seems to me quite obvious it should stay Jacen Solo. First reason is that he hasn't been a Sith Lord for a long enough time. Let him actually do something amazingly gruesome and horrid before we say that Jacen is theoretically dead. Second reason is, like mentioned before, that most still know Jacen as Jacen, and think about their surprise when they are redirected to a page titled "Darth". Nanook 15:16, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Caedus burned Kashyyyk, threatened to kill Allana, and tortured Ben. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 16:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Torture and threatening to kill is a daily record of a Sith, but also for other kinds of utilitarians. The burning of Kashyyyk is surely horrible, but I doubt that's enough. You might see it differently. All in all, it's an argument that will surely be settled in two weeks time. Nanook 11:45, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, Grand Moff Tranner, I was adressing 131.109.225.3.'s comment above.--Jedi Kasra 20:22, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The page should say his name is Darth Caedus and the proof that we have that there is no more Jacen Solo is this: He killed Mara, which to me seems to be very horrid as she was his own aunt and that they were close. 2nd reason is Kashyyyk, and my third and probably most strongest arguement that his this page should be redirected to Darth Caedus is when hes says on page 154 in Revelation is Caedus' thoughts which are- Jacen Solo. Gone, now; not concealed. Gone, and never coming back--Darth Revanon 4:36, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Vader and Caedus
Two serious questions I have to ask: First, what did Vader have that Caedus doesn't have? And then, what does Caedus have that Vader didn't have? 131.109.225.3 19:51, 28 April 2008 (UTC)


 * I don't really get your question but Caedus has all of his limbs which Lumiya says will make him a stronger and true Sith Lord Steves490 20:38, 28 April 2008 (UTC)