Wookieepedia:Userbox proposal

This page is for the nomination of new userboxes.

Before you create
Before you propose a userbox, read the following:


 * 1) No nonsense or joke templates. What you think may be funny may not be to everyone else, so it's best to just keep it on your userpage.
 * 2) If you are creating a Star Wars themed userbox, try and keep it OOU (i.e. "This user is a fan of Jedi" is good, but "This user is a member of the New Jedi Order" is not).
 * 3) Any offensive/racist/provocative userbox proposals will be deleted on sight, and the user warned. If the user persists, he will be banned.

To use this page:


 * 1) Use the current date as a header, and add the code of the proposed userbox underneath (use the following syntax:  ).
 * 2) Add sections underneath for "Support", "Object", and "Comments". Your fellow Wookieepedians will use these sections to vote for, oppose, or comment on your design.
 * 3) Once a majority has been reached, and two weeks have passed, the userbox will be created as a template for use in the community. If the nomination fails, the template must not be created regardless. If it is, then it will be deleted on sight, and the offender warned.

Support
Exp.Fl.Cmndr. Mitth&#39;raw&#39;nuruodo 00:43, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Comments

 * What exactly will some of you support?

Yes
This is it. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg   23:39, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

No

 * 1) Sorry. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) Exp.Fl.Cmndr. Mitth&#39;raw&#39;nuruodo 19:54, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) Ozzel 20:05, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Oppose. Reminds me of User death.– 21:59, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:46, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Comments

 * George Lucas has too many Twi'leks in the movies considering there seem to be no records of mainly Twi'lek populated worlds besides Ryloth, and on Ryloth they live around a narrow band where the sunside and nightside meet.
 * Though I really love Orn free taa, I have to be split between agreeing with it and Thinking about the truth of it all ...... It's useless! -- Jabbathehuttgartogg [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|20px]] [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|20px]] 20:00, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) Exp.Fl.Cmndr. Mitth&#39;raw&#39;nuruodo 18:21, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) We have a Chiss userbox already. Maybe an Empire of the Hand one should be made, but this one really isn't that necessary. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:46, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Comments
Exp.Fl.Cmndr. Mitth&#39;raw&#39;nuruodo 18:21, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * First, if you are not using 4 of these (~) to sign your stuff, you might want to do that. I'm not sure why that little box appears on my web screen. Second, a template already exists for supporter of the Chiss. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 18:44, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Four tildes WERE used; as for the box, you would probably have more of a clue about why it's there. And although there is a support for the Chiss, the Expansionary Defense Fleet is only a part of the Chiss Ascendancy, and the Empire of the the Hand is not even that.  It would be akin to support for the Empire's Navy and support for the Empire for the EDF.  For the EotH, it would be akin to support for the Empire on one hand, and the Corporate Sector on the other (both are largely human, but separate).
 * To keep that box from showing up, don't press "tab" before you type. Many users (including me) use asterisks instead. In reponse to that point, there would have to be separate user boxes for the EotH and the CEDF. Honestly, I think you have a better chance with just EotH, but that's my opinion. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 18:56, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Tabs weren't used, but spaces could have been. Would that have the same effect?


 * Yes, definitely. I did once or twice myself when I was first starting. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 19:12, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

For

 * 1) Somehow, I always liked the idea of a struggle between Star Wars and Star Trek. The Empire would beat the crap out of them, don't you think? Lorth Needa 15:43, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Against

 * 1) Ozzel 20:07, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 22:03, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) It's bad enough that we have a Millennium Falcom vs. Enterprise one already. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:48, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Comments
How about the Star Wars universe against the Star Trek one, and This user knows that the Star Wars universe could beat the Star Trek universe. ? Exp.Fl.Cmndr. Mitth&#39;raw&#39;nuruodo 17:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) Vote. Exp.Fl.Cmndr. Mitth&#39;raw&#39;nuruodo 18:33, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) Not that I have anything against religion, but I feel religion templates could be too divisive and used in personal attacks.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 14:14, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) I have absolutely nothing against religion or Christianity- I'm a Christian myself, but I feel it's dangerous to display one's religion like that, especially because it doesn't serve the Wiki as a whole; there are other ways to show one's religious preference- see my user page. Speaking as a Christian, I also feel that if you display your Christianity like that, if you ever "screw up" and have an outburst at someone or insult someone, you've just really hurt the image of both yourself and Christians everywhere. Also note that one is free to use this if they want and the creator did not vote to support this. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 14:24, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Though I am a Christian, I have to agree with StarNeptune and Atarumaster88 on this one.  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff [[Image:Jbig3.JPG|20px]] 14:28, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) See below. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 14:46, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) Really, this is something that should go on YOUR userpage. I'm a fellow christain, mind you, but it's really nobody's buisness. I'm feeding this one to my Rancor. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg [[Image:Jabathehuttguy.jpg|20px]] 14:50, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) Kuralyov 18:16, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 7) MyNz - Zainal 19:08, 30 August 2006 (UTC) Though I am a Christian, I think such a userbox might cause a division among Wookieepedians already with what is happening in Lebanon and Israel. If we do have this userbox, we must also have userboxes for other religions like Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, Judaism, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Atheists, New Agers, Wiccans, Pagans, etc.
 * 8) Ozzel 20:06, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 9) While I sympathize, I must vote no.– 21:48, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 10) I'm Christian, but no religious templates. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:48, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Comments
You can make a religion subsection under Wookieepedians by affiliation, and put this one in. Others can put their religions into the subsection, too.
 * I would use it (I have a similar one), but isn't there a rule against religion or politics templates? I think Astrology is our only exception, or something. -BaronGrackle 14:16, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, there is such a rule: I think it's because it's not very useful to this wiki to sort users by religious and political affiliations.  On other wikis, it might be: users who identify with a particular religion or political group might bring both expertise and bias to particular articles on real-world topics.  Here, however, it's more useful to know if someone's cheering for the Ewoks or the Stormtroopers (thus bringing expertise on those subjects): dividing us up by religion and politics could just create artificial divisions among users which aren't really relevant to the project.  (Astrology seems to be an exception, because most followers in my experience don't seem to take it as seriously as they would take their religion or their politics.)  All the same users are welcome to state any sort of religious or political beliefs on their userpages, even using the generic userbox template to do so, so long as our various user page, user image, and "no personal attacks" policies are followed.  For that matter, if enough people feel really strongly about it, they can try and change our userbox policy.  I'll vote against it, mind you, but I'm just one user. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 14:46, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Let's not forget in the days of moral relativism, where truth is suddenly subjective rather than concrete, it is not only possible but likely that two given people will define the term Christian differently. The term has been around for nearly 2000 years. Unfortunately, there are so many varieties, spinoffs, and ripoffs of Christianity that a clear definition of the term may require a doctrinal statement in a userbox. That's not to say that I'm just picking on Christians- as above, I am one- but there are sects and splinter groups in most major religion- Shia, Sunni, Wahabbi, etc. in Islam, who knows how many in Buddhism; Orthodox, progressive, messianic in Judaism, etc. Basically, religion boxes are a bad idea due to both the rule, which has good reasons, and because of ambiguity. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 19:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) I see my last proposal failed. Hope this one's good. --Jabbathehuttgartogg [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|30px]] [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|30px]] 01:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:28, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Weak oppose: I support the idea of a collector's template, but I'd prefer something to differentiate between book, action figure, LEGO, etc., etc., collections. (Toy collecting is a huge part of the fandom, and we're really overlooking it.) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 14:49, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Comments
If these are created, what would be considered big and gargantuan? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 01:30, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, a little rephrasing wouldn't hurt, but that's similar to the SW-knowledge boxes. Aside from SW-4, whose really going to know if you've only seen 1 movie 1 time and have a photographic memory or if you've bought 100 books/comics/games. Atarumaster88 01:34, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * True, but still, Star Wars knowledge is one think. Star Wars collection is something different. Personally, I think I fall under "Col-2", but I don't think these userboxes are all that necessary. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:36, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You have a point, but I don't see a reason to stop different users from creating something they think would be useful. I mean, when I made the fleet junkie box, I honestly didn't know how it would be received. It gave me a chance to experience the voting process fully and practice making boxes. People always have the option not to use it. Sorry to cut you off Jabba ...A cada uno a su gusto.Atarumaster88 01:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think, of all things, it should. Collecting Star wars is almost just as big as Star wars itself. I can't belive a box of this dousn't exist .... yet. --Jabbathehuttgartogg [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|30px]] [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|30px]] 01:41, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't really see the point in these since Star Wars knowledge is generally more important than the size of one's collection and a large collection really doesn't say anything meaningful about a user's value to the wiki.– 03:08, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I couldn't have said it better myself, Sentry. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:22, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * "Size matters not." Unless people are going to start posting pictures of their collections on their User pages, we aren't going to really know how big said collections are. To paraphrase a certain Jedi Master, a collection need not be big to be good.Tocneppil 20:07, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Though, with a big star wars collection, Knowlege about the characters and who they are are. With a big collection, You know who's a real fan of Star wars. Get me? --Jabbathehuttgartogg [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|20px]] [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|20px]] 20:11, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) Jabbathehuttgartogg 23:28, 21 August 2006 (UTC) [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|30px]] [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|30px]]
 * 2) James Teterenko 23:39, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) JethLordMaster 17:57, 24 August 2006 (UTC-8)
 * 4) There are already a lot of similar userboxes, why exclude this one? If you are against too many species support userboxes, you don't have to put them on your user page. Vote. Exp.Fl.Cmndr. Mitth&#39;raw&#39;nuruodo 19:12, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) Enough with the species userboxes already. That's what I say. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:29, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) I agree. Species userboxes are extremly unorignal. Tak 01:48, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) I believe species userboxes are only for more controversial species. If you want it, put it on your own page. Atarumaster88 02:23, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) We have too many of these type of userboxes already.– 23:54, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) BaronGrackle 00:54, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) Darth Kevinmhk 10:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

For

 * 1) Nom Callide 02:22, 17 August 2006 (GMT-5)
 * 2) James Teterenko 23:39, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Against

 * 1) New userboxes are supposed to be OOU.– 05:39, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Ditto what Sentry said. Also, seems to me like this just doesn't serve much purpose on Wookieepedia. Nothing personal. Atarumaster88 02:01, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Useless. -- Riffsyphon1024 05:53, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Ozzel 02:06, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:28, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) Darth Kevinmhk 10:32, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 7) Great in theory, but ultimatly useless, Fatguy2006 14:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 8) Exp.Fl.Cmndr. Mitth&#39;raw&#39;nuruodo 19:16, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Comments
I think we should have these, cos I have met people who know quite a lot about Star Wars but knows next-to-nothing about the force.

And we get to show off that extra bit.
 * I just don't understand what you mean by understanding of the Force&hellip;– 00:02, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * By that I mean understanding of force powers, what the force is, and stuff like that. - Nom Callide 13:17, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

For

 * 1) Nom Callide 08:57, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) James Teterenko 23:39, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Against

 * 1) I'm afraid this violates the rules, per the comments below. Atarumaster88 02:03, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) JethLordMaster 18:20, 25 August 2006 (UTC-8)
 * 3) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:29, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) I can definitely see vandals having fun with this one. Roron Corobb 22:53, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Comments
Well, vote for the one you think will be coolest. Lorth Needa 21:57, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * If any, it should be the first one, but who's going to admit they're as clumsy as they are stupid on their user page (minus using it only as a joke). Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:27, 16 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hehe honestly I don't know, but its primary use will of course be as a joke. If you think about it, there really is a lot of other Userboxes who's only purpose is to amuse. And if you aren't clumsy you aren't stupid, you will have to look on it's bright side. Lorth Needa 23:51, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, I don't know if I'm going to vote yes or no. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Data file) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:57, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The first one is kinda funny, but who is actually going to use it?– 05:41, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you should have the 2nd one, because although the 1st is slightly funnier, no-one will use it. Nom Callide 08:57, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I mean, Sentry's right. So many of us are much more clumsy than we are stupid, and vice versa. :-) -BaronGrackle 14:38, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * ;) Just to be clear, I wasn't saying that I thought you made a bad userbox Lorth Needa. I think it is funny, but it seems rather masochistic&hellip; – 20:26, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Rule 1: No joke or nonsense templates. 'Nuff said. Funny, but not suited for a general template. This would be much more appropriate for an individual's user page. If someone else wished to place it, they could just copy the code. Atarumaster88 02:03, 19 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hehe yeah I know, who cares I gave it a try;) If any, the second Userbox is the one who best matches the rules. And I promise, I have no reasons to be angry with you . Remember we're a team and a team stick together no matter what. Lorth Needa 21:10, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

Yea
I liked "fleet", so why not "trooper" Commander Darc 03:14, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) James Teterenko 23:39, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Nay

 * 1) We have a template for users who support clone troopers, and I have a self-made one that should become an actual userbox template on my user page for stormtroopers. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Yeah, the problem is that there is no actual term "trooper junkie", like there is for "fleet junkie" or "fandalorian". -BaronGrackle 15:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) It's been done, man. Vyze 16:18, 16 August 2006 (GMT)
 * 4) Ozzel 02:08, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Comments
Oh, yeah, I made this. I forgot to put my name with it... Commander Darc 03:18, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you find that the Template:User clones and it's stormtrooper counterpart are insufficient? Fleet Junkie has a little history behind it, and people's reasons for using it, but I don't know whether Trooper Junkie would achieve particularly widespread use. Vyze 13:11, 16 August 2006 (GMT)
 * Hey, this userbox encompasses ALL troopers, not just stormies or cloners, but rebels, mando'ad, you name it. ALL the troopers. (But I like Admr. Nebulax's stormie box. Can you post that up here, please?)
 * It would be better renamed "This user specializes in soldiers." so that the other user knows he or she is the person to go to. -- Riffsyphon1024 04:55, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with Riffsyphon1024. Thanks for compliment on the fleet junkies box, Commander. Atarumaster88 14:49, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I'll do it. Commander Darc 22:33, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Elek

 * 1) Vyze 23:31, 15 August 2006 (GMT)
 * 2) James Teterenko 23:39, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Nayc

 * 1) Redundant with Template:User mando &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 22:58, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 23:02, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Per Silly Dan. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:44, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) I loathe redundancy. Atarumaster88 02:23, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Kuralyov 18:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Comments
I proposed this because I would use it, and because I think that others would too. A nice, simple, 'Mandalorians r0x0rs' userbox. Vyze 23:31, 15 August 2006 (GMT)
 * We already have Template:User mando. -LtNOWIS 22:48, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Which breaks our "userboxes must be OOU" guideline...8) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 22:57, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed, which is partly why I suggest this one instead. Vyze 23:57, 15 August 2006 (GMT)
 * Why don't you just modify Template:User mando to be OOU?– 23:04, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Can I do that without asking or proposing? Vyze 00:04, 16 August 2006 (GMT)
 * It now reads "This user is a fan of Mando'ade". Better? &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 23:24, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Personally? No. But I may have to be happy with what my proposal has achieved. I'd propose to make ths proposal a choice between "Fandalorian" or "fan of Mando'ade", but I think that could be pushing my luck. Vyze 00:33, 16 August 2006 (GMT)
 * I personally prefer my old-school custom template I stole from someone, as seen on my user page. -LtNOWIS 05:39, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) JethLordMaster 16:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC-8)
 * 2) BaronGrackle 17:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:55, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Twi'lek Alliance 10:01, 11 August 2006 (GMT)
 * 5) Vyze 23:18, 15 August 2006 (GMT)
 * 6) --Petiflo 12:26, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 7) -Tyranus- 13:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 8) Nom Callide 04:58, 17 August 2006 (GMT-5)
 * 9) James Teterenko 23:39, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 10) Jar Jar forever! Nick sponge 15:56, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) Commander Darc 01:41, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Riffsyphon1024 04:01, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:39, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Roron Corobb 22:52, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Comments
I made this since there was a Ewok Support Userbox yet I think nowadays Gungans need more support than Ewoks... :P Anyway I find this Userbox funny, yet in a kind way towards Gungans, and I think at least some people would use it. So, it's your vote. -Tyranus- 20:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Should we change the 'Support' and 'Oppose' to 'Okeeday!' and 'Mesa no thinkso'? :P Tocneppil 05:11, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That would be great :D it's a pity the rules wouldn't allow it... :P -Tyranus- 12:20, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The idea itself is not bad, but I don't think this one would be used by many. Petiflo 11:58, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I think if some people use the Ewok support one, why not some may use this? By the way, if the image is too big (compared to other Userboxs), I can make it smaller. -Tyranus- 12:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, yeah, my first response was to "oppose" this because I knew I wouldn't use it. However, I also know the Ewok template is rarely used, and I remembered that the Ewok template exists because of the controversy surrounding them. Well, the Ewok controversy is child's play compared to that caused by Gungans. And not that serious, doll-killer child's play either, but the simple kind. Yeah. -BaronGrackle 17:51, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Gungans are a marmite subject. Love or hate, no grey options. In spite of myself being one of the Hate Gungans crowd, I support this icon thingy so that it can be used by others.Vyze 23:18, 15 August 2006 (GMT)
 * I disagree with you, I'm on the grey option, I don't particulary love them or hate them. But I suppose it could be handy anyway so I'll support it. --Petiflo 12:25, 16 August 2006 (UTC)