Forum:SH Archive/Objects, an issue needing sorting.

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My Point
We now have a dispute on the article Anakin Solo's lightsaber yes? The same happened with Plo Koon and his starfighter yes? Surely we should follow the same reasoning applied there then? And merge the lightsaber with Anakin, the same goes with Palpatine's cane, are we going to have articles for all those lightsabers, whats next Jaina Solo's X-Wing enough is enough. A concensus needs to be made concerning article content when its like these articles.

Jedi Dude 23:03, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Keep as separate articles

 * 1) Thetoastman 23:37, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) MandalorianOrdo54 23:47, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Merge into appropriate articles

 * 1) Jedi Dude 23:03, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Data file) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:10, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Roron Corobb 23:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 23:35, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) DAWUSS 23:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Adamwankenobi 00:45, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Merge objects unless very signficant.  Finlayson 02:48, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Merge the majority into appropiate articles, with a few exceptions
Examples of exceptions are Palpatine's cane and Darth Vader's armor.


 * 1) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Data file) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:48, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Angel Blue 451 00:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Individual objects can be articles in some, but by no means all, cases. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 01:14, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Support, though I think we should give broad discretion for worthwhile articles to stay independent; for instance, Glove of Darth Vader (clothing) should stay an article independent of Darth Vader's armor. jSarek 02:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) Darth Kevinmhk 03:24, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) Sounds reasonable Fatguy2006 15:09, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Comments
Note that we've kind of had this discussion before, see Votes for deletion/The Dark Woman's Lightsaber. --Azizlight 14:13, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I support the decision to keep object articles because many objects, most, in fact, that we now have articles on, were owned by more than one person. If these articles were deleted and merged, they would have to be melded with multiple other articles and information on them would span sometimes numerous amounts of character pages.  Not to mention that some articles have so much information about them that would be unwieldy and off-topic to add to an existing article without creating an entirely new section longer many standalone articles we have.  In fact, with Darth Vader alone, we would be forced to make a difficut choice- do we include the information from Glove of Darth Vader (clothing) and Darth Vader's armor and make an already far-too-long article even longer, or do cut out information?  I don't see why significant objects owned by multiple people shouldn't get articles of their own.  There's really no argument against it.  It's not like we're at a shortage of articles.  This is an encyclopedia, and our goal is to provide concise information on the Star Wars universe.  If we buried half the information on Palpatine's cane somewhere in the gigantic Palpatine article, and split the other half into various Prototypes character articles, it would make information hard to find on what is evidently a noteworthy object.  On the other hand, things like personal starships, as with Plo Koon's fighter, that really had little significance and were only owned by one person, should be confined to their character's article simply because there's not enough information to base an article on. --Thetoastman 23:37, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * So Palps cane was a significant thing was it? More so than Plo Koon's fighter? This discussion is not about article size, and its besides the point. If an article is off topic then it shouldn't have its own article anyway, and what is off topic can be made to fit into context. Jedi Dude 23:42, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I have mixed feelings. I think that object that are significant enough to have their own article should.  However, the problem is how to determine if an object is significant enough.  In the case of the "Anakin's Lightsaber" article, it feels to me like most of the length is fluffed up; it could be cut down and merged with the main Anakin article without losing relevant information.  It would make the information easier to access, in my opinion. - Angel Blue 451 23:45, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I now have partially changed my mind on this. I can agree that Palpatine's cane and Darth Vader's armor (which should have Glove of Darth Vader (clothing) merged into it) should have their own articles. Therefore, I'm adding another vote option. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Data file) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:46, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course, if the vote option I added gets the most votes, we'll have to decide what the few exceptions are. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Data file) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:32, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * agreed, how long shall we leave the votes going? Jedi Dude 12:33, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say a couple more days, so that everyone has a chance to vote. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Data file) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:35, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, Finlayson, from what you wrote when you voted, it seems like your vote is meant for my vote option. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Data file) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:37, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Wasn't sure exactly what the exceptations are. Voted for the one I was sure of with a comment. -Finlayson 12:40, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the exceptions would be decided after the vote if my option received the most votes. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Data file) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:41, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * on that note perhaps the exceptions should be stated now, so people no what there voting for, or against. Jedi Dude 12:45, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't know what the exceptions would be, but I can say what wouldn't be exceptions. Two examples that would not be exceptions would be individual lightsaber articles and unnamed vehicles that are not modified (like Plo Koon's Delta-7). Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Data file) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:29, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * But Plo Koons fighter does not have its own article, are you saying maybe it should as it is modifed? Jedi Dude 13:37, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Plo Koon's Delta-7 was not modified, which is why it doesn't have its own article. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Data file) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:54, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * But no policy was made, though. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Data file) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:46, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It appears now that we are at a stand still. 6 for merge, 6 for merge with exceptions, 2 for seperate. Fatguy2006 15:11, 18 August 2006 (UTC)