Talk:Anakin Skywalker/Legends

Early talk
After seeing Episode III, it comes to my attention that if Anakin was created by the manipulation of midichlorians, then from what Palpy told Anakin about Darth Plagueis, we can assume that its possible that Sidious did the conceiving through the Force. Any others who agree with this idea, which now seems apparent after that speech. -- Riffsyphon1024 00:34, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Except that Darth Plagueis never taught his apprentice the power to create life, as we later learn from Sidious; Palpatine was lying to gain Anakin's favor. Now, it is entirely possible that Plagueis concieved of Anakin to replace his apprentice (and this is more directly stated in earlier drafts of the film.)--Eion 05:59, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I like the theory that Plagueis created Anakin. – Aidje talk 17:01, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * When he said create life, he was likely refering to the skill Palpatine used to transfer his mind/persona from clone body to clone body. --SparqMan 17:04, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but this is not what GL intended in his earlier scripts, and the later scripts just saw the removal of the direct refence, leaving us with this sideways inference.--Eion 17:26, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I say Plagueis created him, and Sids found out, killing Plagueis and using Anakin for his own. Poor Ani, a tool of the Dark Side since before he was born. --Fade 17:28, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think you can really say when he intended without him saying so. Either way, it's pure conjecture, so let's keep it out of the article. --SparqMan 18:00, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's anything wrong with mentioning that it's a possibility, just so long as it's not stated as fact. – Aidje talk 18:24, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree --Fade 18:28, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Ok, this I found this sentence in the article interesting: Unbeknownst to Anakin, Luke and Leia Skywalker were conceived during this period. Does any of this make sense? How can he not know about his kid's conceivement? Makes it sound like they were conceived through the force too, but cmon, he and Padme must have had some action. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:00, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm sure he knows how babies are made, and remembers that he did such an act, but i think its trying to say that he was unaware of the conception until Padme later told him she was pregnant in ROTS. QuentinGeorge 08:26, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

if you watch the end of ROTS Padme is laid to rest looking like she never gave birth, it's also in the book as well, the Jedi did this so Anakin would not look for his kids.

General? Since when did Anakin become one? I thought that he was a commander. 218.208.204.11 11:24, 6 June 2005 (UTC) I also agree that Plageuis may have created Anakin to replace palp, but never got the chance.[User:Purplesaber 42|Purplesaber 42]]
 * When he was a padawan he was referred to as commander or lieutenant. When he was knighted, like all full Jedi, he became a General. Don't believe me? Check the ROTS ICS. It specifically says that the Open Circle fleet that you see in the beginning of ROTS is led by "Generals Kenobi and Skywalker" QuentinGeorge 12:40, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * You never know,He may have been promoted to General right before theGreat Jedi Purge.

Celibacy
Aren't Jedi required to be completely celibate? Anyone have a source on this? --GenkiNeko 14:42, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * The edit history of the Jedi article reveals George Lucas stated that Jedi aren't required to be celibate. --24.253.120.206 15:09, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Think of Ki-Adi-Mundi. - TopAce


 * From what I know of the Jedi Order before the Great Purge, Jedi were required to be unattached from personal relationships with other people as much as possible. It never says they have to be celibate explicitly, so technically a Jedi could sleep around with anyone they wanted as long as they didn't form attachments(I'm half kidding). However, a definition of celibacy is "to be unmarried" and marriage is a form of attachment. Ki-Adi-Mundi was a special case since his species has a very low birth rate.--TheLIGHTSABERwieldingNERFHERDER 06:46, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Homeworld
Anakin and Shmi came to Tatooine when Anakin was 3 years old. Since we have birth planets for Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa and Anakin Solo (where, in all cases it differs from their "homeworld", should we add to Anakin and Shmi's char box "Birth Planet Unknown" or something, to emphasise that neither was born on Tatooine? QuentinGeorge 06:01, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Pre-ROTS Image
Okay to replace the image directly under "Transformation to Vader" with this [[Media:Hi Res Anakin promo.jpg|hi-res promo shot]]? --SparqMan 06:26, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It seems awefully big; it'd either have to be resized (in which case you'd lose the resolution), or left the way it is (in which case it's way too big for an article). jSarek 06:47, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Well it would be thumbnailed, which doesn't lose the resolution, just reduces the image size. But if a user is interested and clicks on the image, it will bring them to a high quality one, rather than a less quality one. --SparqMan 13:46, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Plagueis section
That "Darth Plagueis" is pretty darn conjectural. --SparqMan 20:39, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think it is, really, since it makes no assertations, merely states possibilities (which were intended by GL as possibilities, IIRC). Although I might be biased, since I think I may have written it. Not that I mean to claim it if I didn't write it, in which case, sorry whoever did. I'll change "highly probable", though. --Fade 21:11, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Databank Copyright?
The bit about Jabiim is verbatim from the databank. I don't know how much else has copyright issues, but it should be compared. --Death Regis 10:43, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

it is impossible that Darth Plaguies is Anakin's father at all because if you really listened to the movie, Palpatine said that Darth Plaguies had been alive before even his mother was around. And it is possible that a sith can live that long, Sith can live hundreds of years longer than regular people because of the unnatural power they have. Anyway it was confirmed in the New Republic books that it was merely the force that concieved of Anakin Skywalker. NOT AN ACTUAL PERSON!!!!!!!!! (<_>) HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!! TURKEY!!!!
 * Okay, first of all, it is possible that Plagueis was Anakin's "father". And second of all, why did you put that under the "Databank Copyright?" section? Admiral J. Nebulax 17:45, 24 Nov 2005 (UTC)

I reworded the Clone Wars section and compared other sections to the Databank. 24.253.120.206 15:41, 24 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:17, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Ahem!
Well, I realized that some people have seperated Anakin from Vader! Technically, they are the same persona, therefore it makes much more sense if they are in the same article. Please don't bombard me with "Oh we already had a debate on this" and "Well a admin already said this and this". I don't really care. I am making a public complaint, and please agree or disagree with me below. I am ready to make points. (If noone will make disagreements/agreements, I will edit the articles and fuse them together). KFan II 12:07, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Here's an idea - Why not make an original contribution, say a new article, rather than stuffing around with what's already here? You might be a bit more popular then. QuentinGeorge 12:25, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * If you think you can throw your weight around here like that, you won't be contributing any longer. -- Riffsyphon1024 15:50, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * If you really want to discuss this, there's already a discussion at Talk:Darth Vader, although it's pretty much over. If you simply want to tell people that they're wrong, please don't bother. – Aidje talk 16:01, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I feel like I'm being threatened. I was just trying to make a point. And by the way, I believe if you're a member of Wookieepedia, then you not only contribute but make articles better. I mean, in the New Essential Guide to Characters, Anakin and Vader and listed as "Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader". I think we should follow that example for the simplictity of things. And Vader and Anakin are not entirely different! For example, when Anakin turns to the Dark Side, he doesn't immediatly get his black armor. He goes on two missions and succeeds (killing all the Jedi on Coruscant and killing all the members of the CIS Council). And they are the same soul, you cannot question that. I mean, in Episode V, he is showing some signs of being good again by not killing Admiral Piett when he loses the Millenium Falcon. I think merging them would be common sense around here. KFan II 08:15, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Vote was held. You lost. Get over it. QuentinGeorge 10:07, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Merge with Vader?
Shouldn't we merge this article with Darth Vader since both characters are the same person? -- John-1107 23:08, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * This isn't the same thing as the Palpy/Sidious Merge, as both Anakin and Vader are two very different things, both mentally and physically. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:15, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)

But Anakin becomes Darth Vader! I don't see anything that makes them 2 separate, different persons. The Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader articles were merged on Wikipedia since both of them are the same person, like Palpatine/Darth Sidious. -- Eddyward Telerionus 23:49, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I agree with John-1107. They are the same person, they should be merged under one article. KFan II 08:18, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I also feel these two should be merged. Anakin WAS Vader. Just because he thought a bit differently and had several boo-boos doesn't magically make him an entirely different being, any more than Luke losing his hand and his innocence on Bespin means we need two Luke articles. jSarek 10:41, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

The discussion in the Talk:Darth Vader page died only because "If we merge them, it should be under Anakin Skywalker. There was no vote, and I see many pro-merger people who weren't involved in that discussion. Not holding a vote is tyrrany far worse than anything KFan II has done. They're the same person. --Death Regis 21:53, 31 Jul 2005 (UTC)

If this is merged, the name of the article should just simply be "Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader". They are two in one, and there is no need for two separate articles on the same person. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:42, 31 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Looks like somebody is merging them anyhow... Demented Smiloid 16:21, 4 Aug 2005 (UTC)

ANAKIN SKYWALKER IS NOT DARTH VADER: the only thing the two have in common is a body (1/4 of a body after ROTS)go to the Starwars website for the final answer:

Anakin can be found here:

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/anakinskywalker/index.html

It states the following per GL:He is listed as showing up in the following movies: I, II, III, VI "His eyes burning with Sith intensity, it became clear that Anakin was no longer the same hero he once was. He was firmly entrenched in darkness, even bringing his blade to snuff out the bright lives of the Jedi younglings. Skywalker was no more. He could not hear the entreaties of his friends and loved ones to return from the darkness. As Darth Vader, he killed the leadership of the Separatists, bringing an end to the Clone Wars. In his rage, he would bring about the death of his wife, fulfilling the terrifying vision that prompted his turn to forbidden knowledge."

Vader Can be found here: http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/darthvader/

It states the following per GL:He is listed as showing up in the following movies: III, IV, V, VI He abandoned his former identity. Sidious took Vader from Mustafar to an Imperial rehabilitation center where he was rebuilt. When metal coupled with flesh in the form of cyborg implants and enhancements required to sustain him, Skywalker's transformation was complete. He was no longer Anakin. He was Darth Vader.

the above is from the man who CREATED the MOVIES he know more about Anakin Skywalker then anyone keep them split
 * Uh, chill. In a way, these articles should be merged, but I think we should keep them as two separate ones. That way, when you search "Anakin Skywalker", you get Anakin Skywalker, not Darth Vader, depite the fact that they were one in the same. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:39, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Appearances
How was he in the NJO books? Kuralyov 13:46, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * IIRC, Zonoma Sekot took his form to talk to Luke. If not, they talked about him there at least. Durnar 13:49, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

It saids on "jedipurge.com/" the entire histroy of the Jedi and Sith, including the planet where Anakin was born. He was born on Thessius and brought to Tatooine at the age of 3.
 * But jedipurge.com is part of the Supershadow network - and Supershadow is a proven fraud. That info is fake. Believe me, if something as important as Anakin's birthplace were revealed, it would already be on this site - Kwenn
 * I swear, if someone ever says that the SuperShadow material is true and that individual continually edits a page with that, I'll go mad. Anyhow, Anakin was not born on Tatooine and definitely not Thessius. We do not know where he was really born. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:34, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Portrayals
Can someone identify who played Vader in the suit in the Special Edition scene of TESB on Cloud City as well who did his voice? I don't think it was James Earl Jones or David Prowse. Someone please find this info and include it in the article, thanks.
 * Uh, James Earl Jones's voice was the voice of Darth Vader. As for the person who was in the suit, that was David Prowse. However, for the stunts, stuntman Bob Anderson was in the suit. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:13, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)

i hate anakin! he's a retard! how cna u become a sith after being a jedi for so long! what a dumbass! HES A LOSER Just because hes voiceing his opinion doesn't mean that it's "completely uncalled for" You need to get the stick out of your ass and relize people swear in the world when they are pissed off...hes just pissed off because he thinks anakin is a retard. If it wasnt for the stupid people who voice their opinions this would be a really boring website.
 * That was COMPLETELY uncalled for. You know what, every day I keep thinking, "We should make it that only registered users can edit things". If this keeps up, my suggestion might be the only thing keeping these Talk pages clean of stupid and uncalled for remarks. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 18:06, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * You're not supposed to voice your opinion, especially on Talk pages where important matters are discussed. That's why. And what you said was completely uncalled for. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:54, 9 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you, QuentinGeorge, for removing that idiot's comment. If anyone, him and his stupid comments are changing Wookieepedia. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:52, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)

I was just reading about what the one user said in this section, "How could Anakin become a Sith after being a Jedi for so long". I just wanted to make a comment here, Count Dooku was a Jedi most of his life and he became a Sith, it's not like Anakin was the only Jedi to become a Sith. Double D 22:13, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * On an unrelated note: I hate these idiots that posts these stupid comments. I still say only registered users should be able to edit things. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:48, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Category:Naberrie family
uhh... Can anyone explain why Anakin is under the Naberrie family category? I don't think it's necessary cause the Naberries didn't know of his marriage to Padme. Which means that he isn't entirely accepted as part of the family yet. Divinity 05:01, 08 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Becuase, if Padme is listed under the Skywalker family, then Vader and Anakin should be under the Naberrie family, if they follow that custom. Adamwankenobi 21:48, 8 Nov 2005 (UTC)

A Change in Spirit
Not that this is a big deal, but I just wondering, when Obi-Wan dies his spirit wears the same closes as when he died, same with Yoda, of corse the last time Anakin wore real closes was in ROTS, so is there any reason why Anakin's spirit didn't wear the same closes as he did 19 bby? Double D 21:43, 8 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Shaw vs. Christensen?
There has been some controversy on the main Wikipedia page as to who should've portrayed Anakin as a ghost. Anyone arguing with that? I personally feel Christensen was a better ghost because people identify him more as Anakin. When a friend of mine saw the original, he thought Shaw was Luke's Uncle Owen. Anyone wanna comment? --Jedi Striker 13:18 AM 26, November 2005
 * I don't think it really matters on who people identify more with. I think it just matters what makes more sense. In my opinion, Shaw makes more sense. But its easy to make sense out of both so, it really depends on the viewer of what they want to see in their mind. Like me, I don't agree with some things, so they never happened. Like in my mind, Revan is a woman and Hayden ain't no ghost. But for the sake of avoiding conflict and confusment, stick to the versin Lucas wants us to stick with. Redemption 06:25, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * This is all from a personal opinion. Please do not go posting your personal opinions on Talk page. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:41, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * It came from Lucas, so it's now the official canon that Luke saw Christensen's image, whether people like it or not. - Sikon [ Talk ] 10:00, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I keep saying to the guys on wikipedia, yet they refuse to allow the Hayden version into the article. Adamwankenobi 10:31, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, tell them to look at our articles. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:39, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Where exactly do they refuse? ROTJ shows the new version. - Sikon [ Talk ] 08:26, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, some people were very unhappy with that change. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:52, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Appearance Section
It would be appreciated if another image of the unmasked and redeemed Anakin Skywalker was uploaded and placed in the Appearance section. 24.253.120.206 17:04, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Despite the fact that the user removed it, it should still stay here. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:36, 24 Dec 2005 (UTC)

"Hair of Evil"
I couldn't help but notice that Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader is a little similar to Harry Osborn/The Second Green Goblin. Anakin and Harry both have their hair short and neat in one movie, but in their next movies, they both have their hair long, curley and a little messed up (just before Anakin becomes Vader/ just before Harry become the Green Goblin). My question is, Is letting Anakin's hair grow long and out of control one of the ways of saying "He's going to be evil"? Double D 22:13, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I extremely doubt that. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:42, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It's supposed to be reminicient of the shape of Vader's helmet - though it was mostly styled that way to fit in with his image as a war hero and with the retro 70's designs seen in RotS (Tantive IV for example) - Kwenn
 * "It's supposed to be reminicient of the shape of Vader's helmet..." Really? I couldn't tell. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:47, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Concepts of Anakin for AotC had his hair in the Vader-style. It's not exactly the same, but it's supposed to be just one of many elements that go towards the transition from Anakin to Vader - Kwenn
 * Oh. Interesting. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:52, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Early Life
Should the early life section really contain info on his relationship with Padmé, and details on the twins? That's for later in the article, we don't need it there; in place, his exploits on Tatooine and Naboo can be expanded upon - Kwenn 15:28, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)