Talk:Force ghost

"In Revenge of the Sith it is made known that "becoming one with the Force" is not in fact what happens to every Jedi, but only a recently discovered ability."

Is this really correct? it´s possible the knowledge was lost from thousands of years ago to the movie-era, only to be rediscovered by a more spiritually intuned Jedi. Or does it state "recently discovered" in the novelization? VT-16 23:54, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe Qui-Gon is instructed by a 'shaman of the Whills', and, whilst this Whills business confuses me, I believe this means that someone in the past knew of it. --Fade 00:02, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * In the Tales of the Jedi comic, Ulic disappears. However in the KOTOR games, dead Jedi left a corpse like Qui-Gon did. In essence, you might say that the power was lost in the Great Sith War. Sounds like a good fix to me. ;) QuentinGeorge 03:27, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Apart from Ulic's disappearance, do we have any Expanded Universe appearance of a Force Ghost, taking place before the prequel era? 62.74.6.213 23:41, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * KOTOR, korriban tombs--Jinger 00:04, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * They're sith spirits. Different things. QuentinGeorge 00:17, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

yeh the Jedi ghosties and the Sith spirits of rage are two altogether different techniques of the force, the Sith ones even have the ability to possess a living thing. While the Jedi may have lost this ability or perhaps never had it before the Shaman of the Whills(not exactly jedi) taught the technique to Qui Gon. The Blue ghost thing is definatelty a light side power, which could also explain why Anakins blue ghostie reverted back to to his youthful self, before he turned to the dark side. In fact I would venture to say that perhaps the jedi have some measure of control over the appearance of the ghostie, and I could speculate that the ghost is also affected by events in the life of the Jedi, for example a major mark of self inflicted dark side induced trauma would not appear on a light side natured blue ghost. An arm lost while trying to use it to kill an innocent for example would not be missing on a redeemed Jedi's spirit body. A spiritual redemtion would manifest on the blue ghostie as a physical one..this possibility is even in keeping with some "real world" religous beliefs about the "soul body" our spirits inherit upon entering the afterlife. Namely Islam which teaches that the body that houses the spirit after the death of the physical one is called the soul and its attributes and "appearance" are actually formed by or MORAL character in this world, thus a morally beautiful person in this world would be a "physically"or "apparently" beautiful one in the afterlife, irrigardless of thier physical beauties in the living world. Perhaps future writers of the expanded universe will draw upon this idea and the wisdom of people who experience astral phenomenon to further detail the nature of this force power and the one practiced by the Sith.

You know, I find it strange that Yoda disappears with his clothes, and Obi without (his mantle).Inmobilus 18:35, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's related to the explanation, why his clothes are different than the other Jedi. Moff Rebus 21:36, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Great Anakin's Ghost!
"Presumably, Darth Vader did not learn of this ability, which explains his surprise when Obi-Wan's body disappears when he is slain on the Death Star. However being the strongest in the Force of all the Jedi, the natural fate for him was to become a ghost no matter what."

Is this true? What source is it from? George Lucas' commentary near the end of Return of the Jedi seems to imply that Obi-Wan and Yoda had something to do with Anakin's retention of his idenity after joining the Force.
 * It's been left ambiguous. The original draft of RotJ (which had a duel over a lava lake) sees Yoda bringing Anakin's spirit back to the light side. The current canon has three theories: that Anakin learns the ability himself after Obi-Wan's death (or perhaps upon his own death); that Obi-Wan, Yoda or both bring Anakin's spirit back from the dark side, or the one stated in the article. My own take is that a Jedi has to sever all connections to the physical world to become part of the Force - i.e, they have to remove themselves completely from their bodies. Qui-Gon was cremated, so his body was destroyed, hence his ability to return. Obi-Wan and Yoda perfected Qui-Gon's ability, teaching themselves to 'vanish' their bodies upon death. Anakin's spirit is freed when Luke burns his body on the Endor moon - Kwenn 12:49, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Appearances
Do ANH and AotC count as appearances by Force ghosts? We don't actually see Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan, just hear them - Kwenn 13:14, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but they are there. --Master Starkeiller 13:21, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * But can Qui-Gon manifest himself as a Force ghost? In his 'appearances', he seems limited to voice only, whereas Obi-Wan, Yoda and Anakin develop his ability to become true spirits. Yoda: Dark Rendezvous mentions only that the Force speaks to Yoda in the 'voice of Qui-Gon' - Kwenn 13:27, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes he can. I think he does in one of the recent books. The young adult ones I think.
 * Do you mean The Last of the Jedi? Because again, Obi-Wan only hears his Master's voice, "coming from both the stars and within Obi-Wan's own head" - Kwenn 14:12, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Doesn't his spirit appear in The Desperate Mission? --Master Starkeiller 14:20, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * No. That's the book I was referring to. Obi-Wan only hears his voice - Kwenn 14:20, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay then, then I need to update my info. Yet, as the netherworld of the Force is not an actual place but a state of existance, voice or shimmering blue image would be the same and if the spirit is listed in "Appearances", then the voice should too. --Master Starkeiller 14:25, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, that's fair enough, but in that case, ANH should be listed as the first appearance (with Obi-Wan's voice) - Kwenn 14:29, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * That's right. It was in A New Hope that we first saw a dead guy talk to a living guy, hence first appearance of the Force ghost. --Master Starkeiller 14:31, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Would Ulic Qel-Droma count as a Force ghost? There seems to be a difference between dark and light spirits, though Ulic returned to the light upon his death. Thus, Redemption and The Clone Wars could also be listed if that's the case - Kwenn 14:33, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Since we don't yet know of the difference between Force ghosts of the Sith and the Jedi if there's any, all dead people that can interact with living people (or with other dead people) are listed as Force ghosts. --Master Starkeiller 14:40, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Thought bomb victims
It just ocurred to me that every thought bomb victim became a Force ghost trapped inside the sphere on Ruusan. Qordis is listed 'cause we saw him (we also saw Kaan). Should we list the others? --Master Starkeiller 14:55, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the entire Valley of the Jedi-business deserves a section of its own in this article, since it's a bit of a unique case KEJ 14:58, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but Kaan and Qordis must be removed from the list with the regular cases. --Master Starkeiller 15:11, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed KEJ 15:28, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)