Talk:Meetra Surik/Archive2

Image
I think we need an image that a) embellishes that Exile's female and b) obscures her face. Like this one (example, sucks). - Sikon [ Talk ] 08:23, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Why not have a picture of her wearing a mask from the game?--Dil 10:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Because it would look horrible, I think. Someone can try it, though. -Sikon [ Talk ] 11:14, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Do we want similar thing as we have on Jaden Korr? QuentinGeorge 11:15, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * yes, but how could we make sure that the figure looks femanine? is it now confirmed that the exile is female yer? Jedi Dude 11:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Look up - Kwenn 11:28, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I like that picture, if only becasue it would appear to have the head of my all time favourite version the Exile from all the different times I've played through KotOR II, I think maybe the best way of doing it would be to try and get a pic of the Exile from behind, and then just crop the head off, I'd recommend doing it with Jedi Master robes, they look pretty good. Basically, do the same thing as Jaden Korr. 95 Headhunter 13:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think we should keep regular Jedi robes, simply because that's what Exile wears for the trial flashback. Also, why show her from behind if the head gets cut anyway? - Sikon [ Talk ] 15:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * i dont think female exile is the way to go. all the jealousy of handmaiden and visas is gone and the interactions with people from your past make more sense as a male. the game trailer shows the exile as a male, plus the exile "jesus"head is really cool.
 * well thats nice to know anon, but shes a she, its canon. back to the picture, what are we gonna do? theres no point in cropping the head off, it won't look very good, we need to get a Jaden shot. Jedi Dude 16:56, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Just take a random appearance. There is no reason to hide the face; it just makes it look stupid. -MPK

I suggest these. I'm not joking, we now that she wore this on Peragus. Killik Brain 20:36, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunatly we don't know if the Exile was a white, black, asian, or hispanic woman. --Redemption 20:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Face it, the Exile's appearance will probably never be specified by an official source. Just get a screenshot that doesn't hide her face and go with it.-MPK
 * By doing that we'd be declaring that face canon, which would violate the policy. -Redemption 21:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * In that case, it would be far better to have no image than an image that sucks. -MPK
 * Okay. Go get an image that is so much better then anything shown. Since so far, all you've done is complain without contributing anything useful. --Redemption 21:49, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Just so you know, I don't have to do better to be able to complain. -MPK
 * You didn't need to tell us that for us to know...--Redemption 22:04, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The solution is to desaturate the second underwear image to almost greyscale level just like it was done in the Jaden Korr page and there will be no issues of canonicity. It's not like there are options for obese, ematiated, or one-legged Exile... The model of the Exile is the one shown in the picture, we're 101% sure she wore that while on Peragus (well, didn't wear anything actually), and without color we won't be able to see if she's white, black, blue, or green. That IS the Exile's ass no matter what. --Master Starkeiller 21:41, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, that's up to everyone else if they want a desaturated image of the Exiles back or a full color one with the head simply blocked off by her hand or something. Either way is fine by me. -Redemption 21:49, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but the desaturated back shot is the only way to deal with issues of racial identity and clothing at a particular time. It's indisputable. The only problem with it would be that it would make Wookieepedia look like a sexist site. http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/3.gif --Master Starkeiller 21:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * MPK, your not even a member, so you can harly blame us for being sceptical of you, your critisim isn't useful, its just pure complaining. so either suggest how it can be improved, make your own picture or stop moaning. Jedi Dude 22:06, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually he is a member. (whom so kindly decided to mock me on his userpage...)--Redemption 22:07, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyway, I prefer this one, the third picture in the top row. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 22:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Umm... I'm sorry, but we're not actually going with an underwear shot, are we? Shall we go ahead and change the pic of Leia Organa Solo to one in her golden bikini? :-) For what it's worth, I agree with Silly Dan on favourite shot--there's just something hokey about obscuring a person's face with a Force power. -BaronGrackle 22:18, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree about the obscurings: they're too obvious and silly. The underwear shots are subtle and I like the angle. The only problem...she's in her knickers. Something like this with clothes would be great. Bookwormdarlin 06:09, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Why don't we get a pic of the Exile in the spacesuit while walking outside Peragus? MoffRebus 08:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That'd be goofy. [[Image:Animated Sith.gif]]  Master Starkeiller talk
 * Well, it would have to be something that hides her completely, since we don't know her skin color or hairdo or eye color or... Maybe we could go for a Jaden-solution like they did in Jaden Korr. KEJ 09:45, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * If I may make a suggestion, why don't we find a picture that shows various possible faces for the Exile? 11:42, 29 June 2006
 * because we don't want mutiple shots? they'd take up alot of room we really do need a Jaden Kor type shot, that eliminates the custom elements of the exile but shows what we do know, the blue blade and the robes from the flashback. And that pic with the force thng does look dodgy im agreeing on that. Jedi Dude 17:00, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * In reading this debate I am starting to realize the real value in Bioware clothing Revan in full helmet and all conceling cloak. BHRamsay

Easter egg?

 * An easter egg exists when using the random name generator where the name Lann Darth is available.

Could anyone explain why this is an easter egg? "Darth" as a last name may be peculiar, but I'd hardly go so far as to call that an easter egg. Is the name supposed to resemble a better known one? 82.92.119.11 14:54, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

lawn dart? 202.137.25.70 07:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Canon Male
Who keeps changing the whole article up to a female? Lightside male is the canon for the jedi exile jeez. Someone should clean the thread up later.
 * You really haven't been paying attention to the "thread" up there, haven't you? -- SFH 04:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Dude, have you not been following the events of the last few days? Or are you just being obtuse? Look a little ways up the talk page, or buy a copy of The New Essential Guide to Droids. They changed the Exile from a hero to a heroine. There was a note embedded in the page source which explained this, and you deliberately ignored it. I am required by the terms of that warning to ban you for a week. I've reverted your edits and I suggest you be a little more attentive when you come back. -- Darth Culator 04:05, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm confused, could someone explane to me what is going on? Darth Xarcon 12:54, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * To put it simply. The Exile is feamle. Jasca Ducato 17:57, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Realy? Thats strange (at least to me!), because in the game the gender of the Jedi Exile may very. And last time I checked, the game came out before The New Essential Guide to Droids. Darth Xarcon 1:10, 5 July
 * True. But canon is usually the most recent and NEGTD is the more recent one. Unless a comic, book or otherwise declares Exile male, then it's sticking to female. --Redemption 18:15, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Excately, think about it. We don't obey laws set out 5,00 years ago before those set out 5 years ago, do we? Because the NEGD came out after the game, the NEGD sets the canon. As for the game having mutiple choices, thats just game mechanics. In canon, there has to be a set continuity that is followed, otherwise the galaxy will blow up! Jasca Ducato 18:18, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Good point. Darth Xarcon 1:34, 5 July 2006

why bother about the Picture so much?
Just state that "in the course of time a lot of confusion around the true look of the knight known as "Jedi Exile" has been created, so the approvedly female Jedi often is shown in variying skin colors, looks and even - genders".

Thats meeting the "facts" nearly correctly and even covers the promotional pictures, package design etc... --18:34, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I fail to see a reason why we need a picture at all if it won't show the Exile's face. A picture is supposed to show what a character looks like. By hiding the face, the picture does NOT show what the character looks like, which is what the picture is supposed to do. -MPK
 * I have to agree. I get just as much information about this character by looking at a picture of a faceless female body in jedi robes as I would from reading that she is a female jedi.  It just doesn't seem necessary; especially considering how much it's being changed and argued over.  If the image is illustrating something else relating to the exile, such as a notable encounter, then I'm all for a picture that shows that while obscuring the exile, but the profile picture seems like it's only feeding disputes without providing me any new information. the Ash lad 17:06, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. I would suggest either no picture at all or a picture showing varied possible appearances for the Exile - male and female. 11:44, June 29 2006

I don't think we need to bother with worrying what the Exile's class is, since it's just a game element. -MPK 18:17, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * well, your first comment anon with 'genders' is wrong, the exile is female, thats now a fact. A picture is needed, not a picture with several different parts, a normal profle shot, but to do this we need to hide the customised part of the character, in this case the face. (We use the blue lightsaber and robes because of flashback)Jedi Dude 16:55, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What flashback shows that she wore these robes and used this lightsaber while fighting Darth Traya in the Trayus Core? 'Cause if there is such a thing, I might change my vote. [[Image:Animated Sith.gif]]  Master Starkeiller talk
 * Well, we know she fought in the Trayus Core. We know at some point she wore Jedi Robes (Jedi Trials flashback) and the lightsaber is just the default lightsaber if you do not answer Attons questions on your lightsaber. --Redemption 20:22, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Is there no part in the game when she's just wearing a face masking hood like Sidious? This would be best IMO --Sauron18 16:40 30 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Well, my objection is that we don't know about what she wore while on Malachor and the picture shows her wearing Jedi robes on Malachor while for all we know she could be wearing a kimono and gym shoes. That's why I voted for a Peragus underwear picture. [[Image:Animated Sith.gif]]  Master Starkeiller talk
 * as redemption said, there are circumstances in the game where we see perhaps, a big perhaps what the exiles robes/saber color is. thats what we need, i know its a big perhaps but its better than having a strange pic...or a underwear pic. not agreeing with ppl saying its wrong and stuff, i just don't think for an article this importent its enuff. tis all Jedi Dude 23:16, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well these pages have sported Modded pictures before,usually attributed as such, just find a mod that give you a face conceling robe, not unlike the one Kreia wears for most of the game. As for Saber colour Such things will be solved in time, eventually a canon class and colour were found for Revan so this will be dealt with as well. I prefer Yellow (Sentinel). It's a good short term choice to settle on since they have the greatest amount of skills, and thus ability to exploit some of the game's deeper secrets. IMOHO.-- BHRamsay 11:17, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter. We can't just "assume" the Exile was a Jedi Sentinel. The Exile thats the main picture now is just the default Jedi Exile. --Redemption 11:39, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * While the CSG ranks are (now) canonical, their correspondence to lightsaber colors isn't. Exile's lightsaber color means nothing. - Sikon [ Talk ] 12:06, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * What does the exact opposite of the model LFL used for publicity?? In other words, the promotional male exile is in the game, which is his opposite? The female version of that one? --Sauron18 15:12 01 July 2006 (CDT)
 * Male Promotional is skin PMHC01A. PFC01A is actually, the female head blocked off in the screens I took. Brown poneytail, funny looking face. Of course I don't think that holds much. --Redemption 22:57, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * True, but that would be the best guess we really have. --Sauron18 18:08 01 July 2006 (CDT)
 * Is this the one which is the counterpart of the promotional male?


 * http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/5623/fexy5ma.jpg


 * If not, could you look here and show me which it is? --Sauron18 07:17, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * For what it's worth, the manual uses three female heads, most of them this one (the only one used in an in-game closeup of the Exile). There's one instance of this and two of this. - Lord Hydronium 07:38, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * WARN about BMPs, for sanity's sake! Or save them in normal formats. - Sikon [ Talk ] 09:30, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry; those aren't my images, but the ones linked above. I wasn't even paying attention to the format. - Lord Hydronium 09:49, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Why don't we post all the faces here and have a vote, like we did with the faceless images? Worrying about covering the head is pointless IMO DAWUSS 23:55, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Because I already took care of covering the face. =P --Redemption 00:04, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

HOLD ON!!!
Everyone is going on about how the Exile is now female. But if i remember correctly we previously had an arguement on this page regarding whether or not we sould add Sith to the infobox. Part of the evidence to support this was a link to a post on the starwars.com forums by Leland Chee;

 ''"...Holo-cron and crew hadn't made the decision on which ending/gender was canonly correct. I just wanted to know Vips, do we know yet? 

Not yet.

While an Exile gender determination is imminent, there hasn't yet been a call to determine which ending is to be considered canon."

This was posted on the 21st February 2006. Now my question is, was the New Essential to Droids printed before, or after the 21st? Because if it was printed before then i'm sorry, but we can't consider the Exile female! Jasca Ducato 09:20, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * We've known that the official gender chosen would be female since around April (I think Chee said it), but until it was canonized on print we wouldn't do it. Either way, the NEGD was released June 27, Tuesday. --Sauron18 04:34 02 July 2006 (CDT)
 * Does it matter? Only the release date does. - Sikon [ Talk ] 09:37, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * What? Anyways, it's official, that was the point, so this point has essentially been adressed.--Sauron18 04:40 02 July 2006 (CDT)
 * The point is Sauron that, if it had been printed before 21 February then we would still have to consider the Exile male. Jasca Ducato 17:05, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * And my point is, February was a very long time ago, both the book and the decision to make it female were "recent" in comparisson, that's all I was saying. --Sauron18 12:15 02 July 2006 (CDT)
 * No, Jasca Ducato, we wouldn't. Because Leland Chee's comment is just that, a comment, and the NEGD is an official source. Also there's no way Exile's gender would sneak in without Lucasfilm's approval. - Sikon [ Talk ] 17:17, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you even pay attention to what other people say? Jasca Ducato 18:20, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter anyway, since NEGD was released AFTER that statement. So said statement is now nullified. Besides, I believe whichever VIP it was who was campaigning for the Female Exile thing noted, a coupla months ago, that the gender would be set in a forthcoming publication - Kwenn 18:25, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Categories
Where did the article categories go?? MoffRebus 15:21, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? They're still there. - Sikon [ Talk ] 15:38, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Companions
Now that the Exile's gender and alignment has (finally) been canonized, who are her real companions? We know that Hanharr is definitely not, but what about Brianna/Mical? Does this mean that the Handmaiden simply didn't go with the Exile? This is really only an in-game device, but still...maybe the Companions Templete should be changed.
 * I wouldn't be surprised if the storyline is retconned in the future in order to make Brianna a member of the Ebon Hawk's crew since her presence does not actually cause any continuity problems and she is rather popular. But for now, I guess that she officially played no significant role in the Exile's campaign...-- Sentry &#91;Talk&#93; 22:10, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I still treat her as that same somewhat interesting, mostly useless until you Jedi-ize her, lovestruck ho she always was.SithPower 01:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Canon Ending
Has Leeland Chee determined anything about a Canon ending for KOTOR II. just wondering
 * Nope. Though NETD suggests LS. Considering Malachor V is destroyed and the Exile is referred to as a heroine. --Redemption 21:16, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it'll be LS, plus it'll be easier to explain places like Dantooine which are supposed to remain dead in DS ending, not to mention the state of Telos the time we see it after K2 DAWUSS 21:19, 7 July 2006 (UTC)