Talk:Leia Organa Solo

Birth name
Where does the information about her birth name being Leia Amidala Skywalker come from? If that's correct, why isn't Luke's birth name "Luke Amidala Skywalker" then? --Tinwe 09:50, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe it's from the ROTS VD. And I have no clue about Luke's naming. At least we know they have the decency to name their children using both parents' last names. Adamwankenobi 09:56, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)

I'm not trying to say anything like that. Until an official source gives his original name, his birth name is only "Luke," and his later name is "Luke Skywalker." Actually, to me, if they are going to use that naming format, they should have named Luke "Luke Naberrie Skywalker" and Leia "Leia Naberrie Skywalker." Adamwankenobi 11:42, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * It IS from the ROTS VD. However, it doesn't say Luke's name though. But this doesn't mean that ALL characters name their kids using both the father and mother's last names. Cause most the characters are always referred with their father's last name, just like most people here in the Real-life world. After all, the Star Wars universe is written by humans from Earth. So they tend to follow many of the traditions earthly humans have. But there are a few cases of people taking their mother's last name such as Ryoo and Pooja Naberrie as well as Tenel Ka. Since the ROTS VD officially states that Leia's birth name is Leia Amidala Skywalker, we should leave it the way it is. - Divinity 10:29, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Luke's not "Luke Amidala Skywalker" because...Amidala is likely Leia's MIDDLE name, not a hyphenated surname. (since Amidala is NOT Padme's surname). In that case, Luke can't have the name Amidala because he's male. So the kids weren't given both surnames, since Padme didn't use her surname at that stage. QuentinGeorge 10:59, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with QuentinGeorge. Besides, Amidala is actually a female name, and is not Padme's REAL surname as it is actually her name of state. Which is why Luke is not named that way. - Divinity 11:14, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * "Amidala" is the last name Padme took when she was elected Queen. Once again, since it was written by earthly humans, this seems to reflect the customs of royalty on earth. Adamwankenobi 11:29, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * No, it's NOT a last name. It's a regal name - like how "Prince Albert" became "George VI". It's definately not a surname, and is never used as such in any source. And FYI - Royalty on Earth don't have surnames. For example Prince Charles is NOT Charles Windsor or Charles Mountbatten-Windsor. QuentinGeorge 05:49, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * So are you trying to say that Luke's full name should be "Luke Amidala Skywalker" then? Whether or not it is officially stated anywhere in whatever Star Wars reference books. It is not officially stated whether parents name their children using both last names or not in the Star Wars universe. - Divinity 11:37, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Alright, fine! I get what you mean. But at this moment let's just keep it the way it is officially stated, ok? - Divinity 11:48, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Which is why plainly "Amidala" in Leia's name ISN'T a double-barrelled surname. It's a middle name Padme gave her daughter to honour the name Padme assumed as Queen. If she wanted to honour her own family, Padme would have passed on the *actual* surname - Naberrie - like her sister Sola did. QuentinGeorge 05:49, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Heh, it seems I managed to kindle some discussion here :) Thanks for all the replys, I always thought (incorrectly, it seems) Amidala was Padmé's last name, since as a senator she was known as Padmé Amidala. But if Amidala was Leia's middle name, when did Padmé give it? She seemed to die pretty quickly after Leia was born, and we never heard her give her daughter any other name than Leia. But it's fine by me if the name is left as it is, since it comes from an official source. --Tinwe 15:20, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)

We should change it to "Leia Amidala Skywalker Organa Solo" 71.112.105.82 00:38, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Already discussed. See above.  That's wrong.

Main Image Vote
Again...I can imagine I'm driving people up the wall with the votes. As usual, have another image then put it below the votes.-- Redemption Talk 15:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC) Ooookay. Can we get a tie-breaker here?   And another tie breaker?   Okay. Maybe I'll get some votes this way. If there aren't anymore votes then I will assume that the image I voted for is just as good, if not better, then the current one and will replace it. -- Redemption Talk 03:38, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Added 4th image, a cropped version of image 3. -Fnlayson 00:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * There are a few problems with that image, though. First, it's a mirror image. See that little mole beside Carrie's/Leia's nose? That should be on the right side, not left. Second, the background color has been changed from red to gray. If you look closely, you'll see the original color between the dress and the background. I thought our policy doesn't allow (or at least doesn't encourage) using modified images? --Tinwe 14:24, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Geez. I wasn't expecting someone to actually look at it with a magnifying glass. Anyway, I don't think the policy extends as far as making a background less distracting and I didn't even notice the little moll next to her nose in the first place. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 21:18, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, I didn't mean the mole was the problem. It's part of her facial features and shouldn't be removed. The problem is that the image is mirrored &mdash; Carrie has the mole on the right side of her nose, not on the left as it is in that picture (see this screenshot for example); hence = mirror image. But I guess it's easy to unmirror it. And mind you, I didn't need a magnifying glass, I just happen to have very sharp eyes and an excellent memory &mdash; so far I've seen the image with a red background only ;). --Tinwe 09:00, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I prefer to mirror images when the subject is facing right since the infobox is on the right and so she'd up facing the scrollbar and it'd look awkward, so as a result, I removed anything that would only be present on the other side of the nose. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 19:42, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I see the logic, even though in my opinion mirroring images pushes the boundaries of the "no altered images" policy. I'm not really happy with this, but I guess I can live with it if no one else is against. --Tinwe 13:30, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Image 1

 * 1)  Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 15:58, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Best quality&hellip;Cutch 16:16, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 3)  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 18:08, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) .  .  .  .  01:45, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) Imp 19:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Image 2

 * 1) Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg |25px]] 16:01, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul
 * 3) jSarek 23:07, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Adamwankenobi 01:46, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) I think I feel somewhat compelled to vote on this one - lalala_la
 * 6) Evir Daal 09:24, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Image 4

 * 1) For. Fnlayson 00:24, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Red Head Rider 20:45, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I vote for none of them, put slave leia on and see what happens

Sourcing quotes
There are now only five unsourced quotes left in the article, so if you know the source of any of these, don't hesitate to add it. Thanks! --Tinwe 20:32, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

"They're up to something, Han &mdash; I can feel it. Something big; something dangerous. But I can't for the life of me figure out what it could be."

- Leia to Han Solo

"Mom and Dad never act that weird unless they're worried about us three little darlings." "That's for sure. They sure do worry." "Come on, Jacen. If you were our parents, wouldn't you worry?"

- Jaina and Jacen Solo talking about their parents

"You will be our leader, Leia."

- Mon Mothma

"The New Republic? Are you blind? There is no New Republic! It died before the Yuuzhan Vong came."

- Leia Organa Solo

"When did a nice girl like you learn to do things like that?"

- Han on Leia


 * Only four more. I sourced the last one. —Xwing328 (Talk) 04:01, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Three more to go. Someone sourced the Mon Mothma one. --Tinwe 08:55, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Only one left! Anyone? --Tinwe 14:46, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I THINK it's from Heir to the Empire, but I'll have to double check.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 14:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I did a check and it indeed is from HttE (only the "for the life of me" part was missing). All quotes are sourced now, yay! :) --Tinwe 16:37, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

muscles???
In star wars rebelion: abroken alliance, a fatal choice, leia is in a bacta tank at the end. Her stomach and her legs are very muscular, but in ROTJ she is skinny and has no muscles. What is up with that? How did the muscles dissapear? Quinlanfan 01:59, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Slave
Is there any accounts of what happen on those long days that she was a slave of Jabba? Quinlanfan 23:07, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * One of the stories in Tales of the Bounty Hunters has he put in Bobba Fett's room for a night. -Fnlayson 23:50, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * i mean what happened when she was chained to jabba? 67.72.98.112 01:07, 31 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I wonder if she wear anything else besides the bikni.
 * Yeah, in the film its about 2 minutes between the licking and Luke's appearance. It seemed like days after. My question is how long did it take leia to withstand Jabba's pulls?

Theory on Enslaved Leia

1. Name changed to "Slave Leia" to strip away her honor. Day 1 2. Collar on before slave outfit to show enslavement (not the chain)Day 1 3. In Oola's costume. Day 1 4. Offered to Boba, didn't take it (already knew that)Day 1 5. Pulled back for anger reasons with Jabba(not involing Leia). Day 2 6. Forced to Dance. Day 3 7. Pulled back for not dancing well enough. Day 3 8. Pulled back for not complying with costume change request. Day 4 9. Forced to change in front of Jabba. Day 4 10 Pulled towards Jabba for pleasure. Day 4 11. In Lny Me's costume but green and blue. Day 4 12. Dance off with Greeta and wins Day 5 13. Jabba wants dancer two piece and Slave Leia doesn't agree and is pulled around. Day 5 14. Leia is chain to ceiling and forced to wear the dancer outfit. Day 5 15. Luke comes                                                    Day 6

So you think she only stayed for 6 days?

Yes

Leia remembering her mother?
how come in episode VI leia tells luke she knew her mother, while in episode III her mother (Padme) dies at childbirth? although you can just say everything is "the force" why doesn't luke remember his mom.
 * See what the Behind the scenes section says on this.. -Fnlayson 23:14, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Because people with good enough memories can remember events that occured after 50 years. Meaning she remembered her mother's heartbeat. Luke just can't remember.--Animasage 17:10, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

I think it says that Leia actually took a glance at her mother, and, as we all know, Leia is Force-Sensitive. 71.247.74.219 14:55, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Princess of Alderaan?
Currently the successor of the title of Princess of Alderaan is vacant since Leia is still alive, but, with the title being hereditary, wouldn't it be logical to name Jaina as the successor of the title?
 * It wasn't obligatory. Perhaps Leia, adopted daughter of Breha and Bail Organa and heir to Alderaan, just didn't officially clamed the title of Queen, after the Destruction of Alderaan in 0 BBY. If Leia never became a Queen and New Alderaan wasn't ruled by a Monarch, the Organa Dinasty was finished. Leia's title of Princess became only a honorific title. Delmarnori 22:30, 5 October 2007

Bounty
Did Zorba the Hutt still hava a bounty on her head in the later stories? Or did he take it off??? Quinlanfan 18:55, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * They were still hunted by the Hutts in Dark Empire, but we don't know if that was Zorba's doing. In Darksaber, Durga the Hutt removed all remaining Hutt bounties on Han and Leia. Evir Daal 09:22, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Leia's lightsaber
Leia's blue lightsaber that Saba Sebatyne took after the Swarm War (37 ABY) was some 20 years old. Luke gave Leia a red ligthsaber before the Black Fleet crisis in 16 ABY and I think she had the blue one during the Caamas Document Crisis in 19 ABY. Does a novel in there describe her building the blue one? Or is that never directly described? Thanks. -Fnlayson 20:38, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Leia Political Affiliation
Could someone have an idea of Leia political leaning and affiliation? Right or Left, Republican or Democrat... I know that those are not in the Star Wars Universe but just to have an idea.207.134.243.138 02:04, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Republican or Democrat, LOL!. Doesn't matter.  But you can read books where she has a major role and decide for yourself.. -Fnlayson 03:29, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Republican and Democrat are American political parties, not "affiliations". Left and Right are political terms that originated on earth, specifically during the French Revolution. Neither are relevant to an entirely different galaxy. QuentinGeorge 09:32, 12 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If you think the Democrats are Left, you should see European politics... As for your question, I'd say you can't define Star Wars politics too closely from an OOU point of view. For one thing, they don't say that much about the politics or parties in the novels, and less in the films, except for the Empire, Vong etc being dictatorial and the Rebels, New Republic etc representing democracy. Best advice I can give you is to form your own opinion from the sources available. Evir Daal 09:52, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Thank you to have take the time to respond but as I said it was only to make myself an idea and an idea of what other were thinking of it. Again thank you gentlemen.207.134.243.138 12:52, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Death Star Plans
Someone should add more on the mission to Toprawa to get the Death Star plans, it seems a little out of place to mention it with the Ralltiir mission. 67.189.147.201 14:42, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Yep, you're right. I think the correct order of events is: Ralltiir, Kattada, Toprawa, Tatooine (beginning of Epi-IV). Someone needs to add the Toprawan events. But I don't think she went to Toprawa directly after Kattada, unless the date (3 weeks BBY) in the Empire #6 article is wrong.

Name change for Princess leia as Jabba's Slave
I got a great idea, why wouldn't Jabba change Leia's name to Leia Hutt Slave or something like that. kept her name during the slavery of her.
 * Er, why would he? Green Tentacle (Talk) 22:13, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know, maybe she was Jabba's property for however long it was?
 * He could have done anything he wanted with Leia as his slave
 * I think not. - JMAS 22:49, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * How about at least Slave Leia?
 * How about no. Why are you going on about this? She was still Leia Organa even when she was Jabba's captive. Give it a rest. - JMAS 22:59, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * How about this, NO!!!
 * We don't know that, it is a guess, we don't know what happened between the licking of leia's face to the opening of the gate at Jabba's Palace. We don't know if the bikini was the first or final choice or if Leia
 * It's my theory, it's a good one, and I'm stickin' with it! Any question?
 * Sure.. so what? ;)) -Fnlayson 00:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

Princess leia in other slave outfits
My question is, could Leia have been in other slave outfits before the bikini? Because, there is probally a gap in the days before Luke's arrival.
 * According to novels she wore other costumes but then wore a 2-piece at the end.--Animasage 20:07, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

What novels?

I don't get it, what's the meaning of the braclets on Princess Leia when she was a slave?
 * As in shackles and chains for prisoners. Do you know what those are? -Fnlayson 03:52, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Flawed information
Leia does NOT duel Darth Vader in a saber battle! That is just stupid! She never had a chance to battle Vader because HE WAS DEAD! She only saw him on Tauntive IV and the first Death Star. She only used guns, not sabers! After Vader is dead, then you can mess with the story. She never had love interests with anyone other than Han and Luke during the original trilogy. DUH! --66.218.18.38 03:24, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Welcome to the Expanded Universe. -- Ozzel 03:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Specifically, Leia battles Vader in Splinter of the Mind's Eye, the first Expanded Universe product ever. She also saw Vader multiple, multiple, multiple times throughout different Marvel comics and other EU sources. As for the love interests, once again we turn back to Marvel. Welcome to the EU. Jorrel [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Fraajic 03:33, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

It's still stupid. Unless she could go back in time, or this was an alternate universe. --66.218.18.38 03:59, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If it's the duel you refer to, that happens 2 years after A New Hope, 1 year before The Empire Strikes Back. No time travel required. -- Ozzel 04:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * And Vader does not die until 2 years after the duel in Splinter. -Fnlayson 05:31, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Signature
What is this signature nonsense? It's in latin alphabet, not in aurabesh. How could it be Leia's? I think it should be removed.Gorthuar 10:57, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * See Alternate Basic alphabet. -LtNOWIS 00:29, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Main image
According to WP:MOS the main image should be the most current (live action if possible) one of the character. As such, I thought I would propose the following two images as alternates promotional shots from Episode VI to replace the Episode IV promo shot. Thoughts? Anybody think either of these would make a better main image? Personally, I lean towards the second one. - JMAS 13:27, 5 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I prefer them both to the existing picture. I think I slightly lean more toward the first one, though. jSarek 15:11, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Stick with the current one. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 15:26, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that rule's actually in the MOS, and no CTs on the matter ever officially passed. -- Ozzel 21:08, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Consensus was passed that basically looked at all infobox on a case by case basis. Whatever looks best. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 03:35, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * And both of these pics are better than Bunhead Leia, so no reason not to vote. jSarek 06:32, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * "A misconception not supported by fact." You may say that it's better but instead of ramming your opinion down everyones throats, put it to vote. Don't be so quick to think that your word is holy. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 16:56, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course it's an opinion, based solely on my own aesthetic preferences. I've done no ramming, and made the suggestion myself to put it to a vote, so I don't get why you're accusing me of thinking my word is holy. jSarek 22:22, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Because you came off arrogant and self-centered. If you have any problems with that, I suggest you word your sentences better. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 03:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Option 1

 * 1)  Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 03:32, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Ozzel 04:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Tinwe 07:32, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Option 2

 * 1) jSarek 22:23, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Lord Hydronium 04:37, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Delmarnori 08:10, 7 October 2007

Option 3

 * 1) JMAS 17:05, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes, yes. Thefourdotelipsis 04:35, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) I hate hairbuns.  Firebird  Phoenix Rising [[Image:Era-njo.png|20px]] 09:21, 7 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Yay! Petiflo 02:43, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) If we must have one of these, I prefer this one.  Captain Daal  [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 09:21, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) *Have you something else in mind? jSarek 09:37, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) **Oh, I just favored other alternatives from the earlier vote, but since they were defeated, I'll stick with this one.  Captain Daal  [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 09:44, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Comments

 * I too like Option 2, but I just don't think the shadow across her face, cast by the pistol, makes for a good infobox image. - JMAS 17:54, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * A agree about the shadow, but I'll still gladly (well, not gladly, but I will) change my vote from 1 to 2 if it will mean 2 beating 3. -- Ozzel 21:26, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Gotta ask, what is it you dislike about 3? - JMAS 21:39, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Personally, it's the fact that it's her in her "Ewok" getup, eyes are humungous, she doesn't look like the leader of the rebels, and the way it's cropped (it's a square...) is pretty poor. Even with headshots, the height needs to be longer then the width. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 01:26, 10 October 2007 (UTC)