Talk:Lightsaber/Legends

Colour variations
I posted this yesterday, but it was moved into the archive today, hence I am reposting to hopefull give it a longer airing. Is there any information on the colour variations of lightsabers? e.g. how many colour variations there are; do the colours have significance; how are they produced?; why are red only used by Sith (maybe wrong here); is Mace Windu's purple blade unique? (Dark Woman perhaps suggests not) etc. I do not have the depth of knowledge to add a section or sub-section concerning this but I am sure it is an area many are interested in.(Nedueb 09:35, June 7, 2010 (UTC))Nedueb 22:38, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

firstly many jedi have been known to use red lightsabers, ferus olin, adi gallia, A'sharad hett, to name a few maces purple saber is uniqe, but not because it is purple, he received the crystals after helpin some beings on a distant planet, but many other purple crystals have been seen hope this helps Swordsquirrel 15:27, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

Strength to wield a lightsaber?
I don't believe that is true. I have read many of the novels and a few of them have made it clear that the gyroscoping effect was intentionally added to make the blade feel weighted so that the weapon is properly balanced, just like a normal sword. That was because without it the weapon was too light and unnatural feeling. And in many novels normal non-force sensative people have been known to wield a lightsaber. Also, in Star Wars A New Hope when Luke first ingites his fathers old lightsaber, he seems to have no trouble just swinging it around.--Mithraw7 11:05, June 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think strength comes into play when considering the weight of the hilt, which is high due to the amount of mechanical components inside. Luke may have been able to swing the blade around nonchalantly when first igniting it, but I think continual use of a lightsaber during a physically challenging duel would require a good deal of strength. Darth Adonis 05:07, July 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * If the lightsaber has no mass how can there be gyroscopic force created from slashing with it. also a large number of mechanical componants would probably make the hilt lighter as a hollow cylinder filled with some objects would weigh less than a solid cylinder. essentially swinging a lightsaber would be as dificault as holding a carrot. also luke could swing one with ease and thats film canon.--Texmex4321 16:17, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

The point I was trying to make was the lightsaber has added technology to make it mimic the feel of an ordinary sword. To answer Texmex4321's question, the gyroscoping effect is created from a component in the hilt. And I have to disagree with Darth Adonis' comment "I think strength comes into play when considering the weight of the hilt, which is high due to the amount of mechanical components inside." It probably weighs 3 or 4 pounds max which is not that heavy, but when coupled with the gyroscoping effect of the blade that weight would be countered making it easier to use because the weight of the hilt and blade are balanced. The heaviest component in the hilt would most likely be the power supply. And to respond to Texmex4321's comment "also luke could swing one with ease and thats film canon." I don't know how you can justify that comment about film canon when that film was produced by the creater himself George Lucas. That being said, I'm pretty sure it's safe to say that anything you see in the Star Wars movies is a fact in the Star Wars universe. (Mithraw7 11:45, August 17, 2011 (UTC))


 * The gyroscope thing makes no sense. "Gyroscopic Effect" is just rotational inertia. The plasma within the blade is near weightless, we all seem to agree on that, so the only place this inertia can come from is if the blade is spinning at a truly gigantic rate. It would be like claiming the movement of a feather is hard to resist...sure, if its moving fast enough. Rotational Inertia also cannot be compared directly to weight, it would just resist movement in general (other than thrusts). It wouldn't cause the blade alone to feel "heavier", it would make the whole entire thing resist movement without changing the center of gravity. It would feel like you were waving the hilt around in syrup. If this is a canon explanation, then nothing can be done, but otherwise it makes much less sense than saying "the strange center of gravity is part of the difficulty" and "the light weight of the weapon is one of its advantages". ~DisgruntledPhysicsMajor

A Gyroscoping Effect is the explanation given by some of the novels. It does not mean that the lightsaber "is" a gyroscope. It just means there is added technology to make the weapon feel more like a real sword. Thats why it is a gyroscoping "effect" not a gyroscope. Also, I'm not sure that it is accurate to say the lightsaber blade is plasma. Many sources suggest that the lightsaber's blade is pure energy. (Mithraw7 10:09, February 24, 2012 (UTC))

I remember reading some book following young Obi-wan, where on one of his missions as a padawann he had to fight a guy with traditional swords. In the book, he specifically comments that it was more difficult because, unlike lightsabers, the swords were heavy. I also remember reading, either in that book or another, that because the "blade" of the lightsaber had no weight, you needed training to use a lightsaber, and/or a connection to the force. Otherwise, it would be very easy to accidentally swing too far and end up cutting your other arm off, etc.. DarthBill 23:25, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Images?
i noticed that there is no colection of lightsabers, as there is for amny other categories, wondered if it just isnt mentioned or if there isnt one

Yellow saber?
i read somewhere (i think supershadow)that there was once a yellow saber, that could supposedly cut through other lightsabers. is this fact or fiction? thanks--69.243.192.254 15:53, June 30, 2010 (UTC) though if you could seperate them, a blade of cortosis and energy could reproduce the effect, but this has never been seen in star wars cannon Swordsquirrel 15:50, July 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Anything that comes from SuperShadow is complete and utter fanon. There is no such lightsaber that can cut through other ones. There are just regular yellow-bladed lightsabers, however.  NAYAYEN : TALK 16:12, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Indeed. See SuperShadow.
 * Actually there was a yellow lightsabre, it belonged to Obi Wan Kenobi. Peter 10 19:12, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * The original Kenner figure of Luke Skywalker in his Tatooine costume from Star Wars was released with a yellow-bladed lightsaber. They have apparently (from Wikipedia) appeared in several computer games, such as Jedi Knight, Jedi Outcast, The Force Unleashed, and Jedi Academy.Nedueb 07:19, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

What if a Lightsaber was contructed using a Ssi-ruuvi Power Cell, would it cut through other lightsabers then? it'd also be unable to block them I'd think. Is that even possible?Niv Dralshy&#39;a 07:29, January 1, 2011 (UTC)

Plasma?
There is no way that a lightsaber's blade is plasma. Mattzadak 00:28, July 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I haven't read Shadows of Mindor so I can't comment on what it says, just that it was sourced for that information. The whole plasma thing has been discussed quite a bit in both archives of this talk page, so I don't want to wade too much into that pool. I do know however that in real life if someone wanted to invent something akin to a lightsaber, it would have to be plasma, because a laser beam would continue to be projected out of whatever "hilt" someone was using. That, and dueling with laser beams wouldn't work as far as swordplay is concerned (a collision would just cause the two beams to interfere with each other depending on the situation). I won't go into the physics of why it would have to be plasma though because 1, it's late and 2, it's complicated. Perhaps the author of Shadows of Mindor was trying to give a real-world explanation for how a fictional weapon works? Just a thought. Darth Nordeck 04:56, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

i think you mean there is no way its not plasma. all other energy sources are infinite and need bucket loads more power to become visiable/deadly. for instance a laser would need a planets power supply and have no tip to the blade where as plasma like that used in a plasma torch would be tipped or could even have a ring it loops back on to work152.91.9.153 00:31, June 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Please read the timestamps on comments before you respond to them. This particular conversation is over two years old. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 00:32, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

archiving, is is done not. wikipedia this is not, can not be.

Amphistaffs
yuuzhan vong amphistaffs were known to be lightsaber resistant, so i think they should be added to the list of lightsaber resistant materials

They are not lightsaber resistant. In the books they can be cut if hit enought times. Ason Brozen

Definition of resistant implies that it takes more then normal effort to destroy. Many listed resistant materials can be destroyed with enough effort. I agree that amphistaffs fall under the resistant category. Otherwise anything that is completely immune to the effects of lightsabers should be shown to be distinct from materials or items that are resistant. Ferum Soldaat

lightsaber colors
The lightsaber color depends on the person who has it.

Green - a jedi who is stronger with the force.

Blue - a jedi who is stronger in lightsaber combat.

Purple - a jedi who is a master with and is evenly skilled with both the force and lightsaber combat.

Red - a sith.

First sign your statements on talk pages.

Second the color of the blade is not dependent upon the user. It is dependent upon the crystal used. Otherwise there would only be four colors you mentioned instead of the dozens on the article which are fact. --Revan&#39;s Exile 19:39, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

additionaly a purple saber like windus was written into the cannon story series that it was apperantly taken from a sith lord. this ideal was kept in the swtor games and seems to make more practcal sense with its non natural look on the blade152.91.9.153 00:37, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

Name
I don't think the page should be titled lightsaber. It's technically called a lightsabre. Peter 10 19:10, August 22, 2010 (UTC) 1) Theater and Theatre are 2 different words with 2 different meanings. 2) I think the main point is that in THE MOVIE the spelled it like this. Since all the other content was based off the movies the movie's spelling is most important. 3) If it was Light Sabre, that would be different, that would be a sabre of light, but it's lightsabre. It's their name, not a term. Peter 10 01:06, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * See Manual of Style. -Zekk_Skywalk 19:14, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, but Lightsabre isn't from another language. It's how they spell it in the credits of the movies. Peter 10 20:42, August 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Please re-read the Manual of Style. It does not refer to other languages. It is referring to British-English and American-English with regards to spelling. -Zekk_Skywalk 07:04, August 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I did read and, and I'm not British. I live in Arizona. The copy of the original trilogy I own spells it "Lightsabre" it's not "British version", it's how they spell it in the original movies. Peter 10 05:39, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, and as the Manual of Style clearly states, all spelling is to be done in American English. Sabre is British-style, along with theatre, centre, spectre, and many others. Much as Star Wars was filmed in England but is regarded as an American film, Wookieepedia keeps all things internally consistent to American spelling. -Zekk_Skywalk 07:42, August 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * What does it matter, Lightsabre already redirects to this article.  OLIOSTER  (talk) 01:08, August 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm saying it makes a difference. Peter 10 01:22, August 26, 2010 (UTC)

Colors and clarification - a suggestion
In the "Behind the scenes" section, it may be worth adding a sub-section on colors - both variations and their apparent preferential use by Jedi and Sith. Although I am now aware that the expanded universe has provided an enormous amount of canon showing that colors were not dependent on the user, the films (and indeed the Clone Wars animated series) by themselves strongly suggest that Sith only wield red, Jedi Blue or Green (apart from Mace Windu of course). Because the films are the main portal via which the vast majority of readers of wookieepedia will have experienced Star Wars it is likely that the question of color/colour will arise again and again. This could be nicely wrapped up in a single section. I am happy to jump in and do this, but would appreciate the thoughts of other editors.Nedueb 08:08, August 29, 2010 (UTC)

Lightsaber resistant material: Zillo Beast scale
The Zillo beast scales were resistant if not immune to Anakin Skywalker's lightsaber. That should be mentioned as additional lightsaber-resistant material in the last section, behind External links, subsection "Lightsaber-resistant materials:" behind Ultrachrome.

Question for another wiki
Hello, I'm from the Dead Rising wiki, and I wanted to know, does the Lightsaber use a focused light source to work? You see, we have a weapon in the game that is very similar to a Lightsaber, and we have a small trivia section that says that they both use a focused light source. I don't believe Lightsabers use a focused light source (I am not a hardcore Star Wars fan, only as far as reading 1 book, watching all movies and playing the games), so I would like to know if anyone can confirm this. Thank you in advance. CrackLawliet 20:34, September 30, 2010 (UTC) Bump lol CrackLawliet 20:48, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Nope. The generally accepted blade material is plasma, although there is some controversy on the subject. And hey, welcome to the wiki, even if you don't plan on staying. --Darth Praxus- Stover Lover 05:04, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I've been waiting for an answer a while now; I plan on sticking around here once Force Unleashed II comes out=D CrackLawliet 01:19, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

War Dragon Rider's
War Dragon rider has a page, why not mention that lightsaber type? Bjj8383 06:17, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Darth Praxus StupidSithEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg ( Did somebody order a miracle? ) 16:29, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Length
I see that the length of the hilt(Usually 8-12 inches) is mentioned, but is there any information of how long the blade usually is? Korsa3 04:06, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * One meter. -- Darth Praxus StupidSithEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg ( Did somebody order a miracle? ) 04:29, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Removing blade colors
That part of the article is redundant as color is referenced just before and in narrative form as opposed to a list, and a comprehensive list of colors is on the crystal page. -Zekk_Skywalk 05:17, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

I am confused
There are contradictions about the composition of the lightsaber, and frankly, they have me boggled. First of all, the lightsaber is said to be both pure energy and plasma in differing sources (which is impossible), and also leads me to ask what "plasma energy" is. So how could the lightsaber be made from plasma? There are several reasons why this confuses me.

Reason one is that plasma is matter. The lightsaber is suppose to be composed of pure energy; I could name off several in-universe sources for this. Another reason is that it is said to be weightless. If it were plasma, that would not be the case, as plasma being matter has mass (despite being extremely light). On the other hand, energy carries no weight or mass (although it does have some properties related to mass). In addition, this also means that it would have to have weight, but the lightsaber is stated to be weightless.

I'm confused, what's going on? 99.59.217.4 01:33, May 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Thank you all for your speedy and helpful response. I'm very grateful. --99.59.217.4 01:07, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

= Actually there's been a few things here that are not true, the first being the fact that the blade is composed of highly energized molecules which give off light and heat as byproducts. This is plasma state matter which in a general sense can be considered weightless. In the spirit of discussing weight it is important to realize that weight and mass are not the same thing as it is weight that is a function of mass so I'd say you're being to literal. Lastly it should be known that there is no scientific support for how the lightsaber works, the shear fact that it's reffered to as a "light" saber is one such example as light can not be used to create the kind of weapons you see on screen. And indeed the same can be said of plasma.--Darkseid253 10:41, September 22, 2011 (UTC)

Droideka Shield
I remember reading in the Revenge of the Sith novel by Matthew Stover that a Droideka's shield was so adept at blocking incoming assaults that it could even block lightsabers strikes. Also the Star Wars: Battlefront 2 video game would support this, as a Jedi can't break through a Droideka's shield, only weaken it until it shuts down. Can the shields block lightsabers?

--Valiordruid 00:27, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

Dual Phase
Doesn't Obi-Wan use a dual phase lightsaber when he fights Darth Vader right before he is killed in A New Hope? He shortens his blade. Why is he not listed as a "dual phase user" on the page? DarthBill 23:31, March 10, 2012 (UTC)

Appearences?
Is it really necessary to add appearances to this page, 95% of star wars media has a lightsaber in it, the list is going to unecessary long, please help me figure something else out, like listing stories that don't have a lightsaber in them, like Death Troopers. The Forceflow (talk) ; If no one agrees, then how can we all have world peace? 01:55, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * This is how we do things on Wookieepedia. The Force appears in every Star Wars book, and we include every appearance. The very idea of a scroll box is so that we can have long sections of articles and condense them into manageable sizes. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 01:59, May 24, 2012 (UTC)

Construction
I'm sorry if I didn't look hard enough, but I didn't see a construction section. It seems necessary, as a big chunk of EU talks about it. Badinkadink (talk) 19:28, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Lightsaber button
Are lighsabers contstructed such that you need to hold down the button for activation? Or, is does the saber use the toggle switch? What confuses me is that, when dropped, the saber turns off and clatters to the floor. On the other hand, the saber says on when using force saber throw. --142.129.229.85 05:42, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Bump this bottom question


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