Talk:Mandalorian/Legends

Are Mandalorians human or humanoid? --SparqMan 21:30, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * A bit of "all of the above." Originally they were non-human humanoids; later humans joined their ranks, and later still other non-human races also joined. JSarek 21:32, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

They are depicted in the movies and games as being identical to humans, I suspect them to simply be a unique culture. Imperialles 21:33, 16 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Karen's stated several times that the majority are human, reason being that the culture appeals to them more than say, a Twi'lek or Mon Cal.

Quiet Mandalorian 02:24, 18 February 2006 (UTC)Quiet Mandalorian

Why isn't there a picture of KOTOR-era Mandalorians?
I think it would be good for the article to have a picture of a KOTOR-era Mandalorian, one in the KOTOR-era full Mandalorian battle armor, like the armor of Bendak Starkiller, or one of the Mandalorians on Dxun.

151.203.164.110 16:54, 4 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Do you have at least one picture of the "shogun" Mandalorians from the New Sith Wars?
 * If you think there needs be a picture of such, then put it in yourself. QuentinGeorge 03:23, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Armor
While in pictures, It looks like the mandalorians had identical armor, in reality, karen traviss said they didn't. I expect we should see this in her new book, bloodlines, where boba fett leads the mandalorians.Xilentshadow900 11:15, 2 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * What bugs me the *MOST* about the armour issue, is that the EU is trying to marry the depictions in TotJ with KotOR, saying "new armour was introduced". Not the case. The KotOR games completely overhauled and *retconned* the asthetics of the TotJ era to make it look less archaic - had it told the story of Exar Kun, you can bet the mandalorians would have looked exactly the same. Likewise, in KotOR 2, Canderous specifically states that he is wearing the *same* helmet as the Mandalore who served Ulic... but... wait, it's silver! Not red... and considerably less 'mask-like'... it must be different. NO. Not different. Retcon. Or at least it was, before it got retconned right back. Gah. Ridiculous. All but the basic plot outline of TotJ (which wasn't terrible) should be put on a pyre and burnt, but I guess I'm biased. (Ulicus 00:22, 20 May 2006 (UTC))

um
mændəlɔːiːʌn So how's that pronounced in english?--Xilentshadow900 00:43, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * For those who can read phonetics it is basically, "Mand" (as in hand), "Lor" (as in "Lore") "Ian" (as in the name). QuentinGeorge 01:10, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * All i can see here is Mandel-rectangle-rectangle-i-rectangle-rectangle-n. Ridiculous. --Azizlight 05:07, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * You don't have proper font. SkywalkerPL 16:44, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

skull image
I changed the mandalorian picture at the beginning because the original image was fuzzy and looked bad I thought. --Dannyboy7783 13:16 10 Dec 2005 (EST)

sOMONE JUST ERASED ALL THE INFO !

Ships
-We need more pics of non-fanon ships. the gunships, the dungeon ships- i dont care. just more ships --Yoda1300 23:14, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * perhaps we could make another section for ships in the article, so we don't have to take up much space? But I think it's a good idea. Definitely more ships. I'll try to scan some in later.--Xilentshadow900 14:09, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Womandalorian pic

 * I added the name "Vhonte Tervho", Tom Hodges' designation for the female Mandalorian hunter he drew, to the description under her image box. Is this acceptable?

Quiet Mandalorian 14:34, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah. The name isn't canon, but the character article makes that clear. -LtNOWIS 23:42, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Good.

Quiet Mandalorian 14:54, 12 February 2006 (UTC)Quiet Mandalorian

Mandalorian marriage?
I'd like to add in the Tom Hodges pic of a Mandalorian wedding from the Insider. Can anyone tell me how to do this?

Quiet Mandalorian 14:54, 12 February 2006 (UTC)Quiet Mandalorian
 * On the side of the screen, under "toolbox," there is an upload file option. Scan the pic in, and upload it to the site.--Xilentshadow900 15:35, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, I just tried that, but when I hit "upload file", nothing happens.

Quiet Mandalorian 19:49, 12 February 2006 (UTC)Quiet Mandalorian
 * I took care of it. Kuralyov 19:52, 12 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Nuts.

Quiet Mandalorian 22:37, 12 February 2006 (UTC)Quiet Mandalorian

Mythosaur skull?
Whence comes the information that the Mando skull insignia is based off a mythosaur? Lieutenant Gerard 18:36, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * "The History of the Mandalorians," Star Wars Insider 80. jSarek 22:03, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * "The traditional Mandalorian crest, frequently mistaken for a Bantha skull, bears a striking resemblance to the skull of a male mythosaur. But in truth, the symbol was actually adopted in reverence to a legendary Mandalorian combat-training master." Is that what you mean? Lieutenant Gerard 01:25, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

"No official ranks beside Mandalore"?
In KOTOR II I'm positive are Mandalorians at Dxun that are addressed as "sergeant" and "commander." I think the Mandalorian you rescue from the jungle addresses his superior that way after returnign to the camp. Anyone near that stage of the game? Kuralyov 19:18, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely correct, Legs. --Imp 19:20, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll change it, then. Kuralyov 19:23, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * That info was from Karen Traviss, although I'm sure she didn't mean the KOTOR mandalorians. So when you edit it, tell what time period.--Xilentshadow900 20:29, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * With all due respect to Karen Traviss, published canon sources outrank statements by authors. Kuralyov 20:35, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Unless the author is stating canon.--Xilentshadow900 20:46, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It's all here--Xilentshadow900 20:51, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not canon unless it's in a published source. Karen Traviss' blog is not a canon source. Doesn't matter if an author is saying it, that doesn't make it official. KOTOR II, however, is official. Kuralyov 21:36, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Is it possible that the use of ranks in kotOR II would be considered "game mechanics"?

Quiet Mandalorian 22:38, 12 February 2006 (UTC)Quiet Mandalorian
 * No, because it wasn't something related to the game engine or mechanics, it was actually spoken by characters. Kuralyov 22:59, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * How do we know it's not simply something to differentiate the various warriors from each other for the benefit of the player?

Quiet Mandalorian 17:03, 13 February 2006 (UTC)Quiet Mandalorian
 * "They ignore rank and status and prefer to judge by actions and achievements, a true meritocracy. ... Their fighting forces settle into informal command structures almost without thought or effort, focused on the outcome and not personal ambition." <-- From the new article. I guess it's just 2 different eras. Especially if the article is talking about post-New Sith Wars mandos.-LtNOWIS 17:43, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Since the Mando's on Dxun are essentially in a war zone, perhaps that would account for their command structure? --Fade 18:27, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

The Clans of Boba Fett
With the new article, it looks like a ton needs to be added to the culture section. Anybody up to it? Also, we are NOT allowed to copy the dictionary to the wikipedia page.--Xilentshadow900 04:02, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess I could give it a shot. -LtNOWIS 17:47, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Further visual reference

 * I added the Tom Hodges pic of the young Mandalorian and his father at target practice. Someone tell me if this screws up anything.

Quiet Mandalorian 02:22, 18 February 2006


 * That and the weddding shot are fine, but I really think that the one of the Mandalorian modifying his armor/weapons belongs in a new section...perhaps...Mandalorian equipment? QuentinGeorge 02:59, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Or you could move it to Mandalorian armor, which needs an image -LtNOWIS 03:02, 18 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Done.

Quiet Mandalorian 05:41, 18 February 2006

Whoa whoa whoa whoa

 * Who the hell moved this from Mandalorian and why? --MarcK [talk] 23:58, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * That was me, and to make it more encyclopedic really. We have Thrawn at the name he goes by in his own language, so it seems right to have other pages at what they're called in their languages too. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 00:25, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't care about this move either way, but it seems I can't point this out enough: "Thrawn" is a Chiss nickname. It is not "Mitth'raw'nuruodo" in basic. That is all. CooperTFN 20:25, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * This article *really* should be "Mandalorian". This is the Basic Wookieepedia, though if someone wants to start up a Wookiepedia written purely in Mandalorian (which I think will probably rival Klingon as the 'not real language to learn' in the not so distant future) then feel free. (Ulicus 00:15, 20 May 2006 (UTC))

Picture looks like crap?
What's so crappy about this image? KEJ 20:19, 5 March 2006 (UTC) I actually think that pic looks really good for this article Odintheking 19:22, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Is that even official?--Xilentshadow900 20:26, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It sure is. It's a load screen from an official Lucas Arts game. KEJ 20:30, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, it takes up too much space. There's too little Fett, and his back is turned to us. It just doesn't look good in the article.--Xilentshadow900 20:35, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, that's an argument I'm much more inclined to buy than 'it looks like crap'. My motivation for using it in the Mando'ade article was that it depicted Boba Fett, who was Mandalore, and the Mandalore "logo" KEJ 20:40, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, just a bit touchy today. Too many vandals running around...--Xilentshadow900 20:42, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Category: Human races
I categorized this into Category:Human races, because while the original Mandos were Taung, and some were Kerestian or other species, the vast majority appear to have been Humans who were born into the Mandalorian culture. Thus, Mandalorian Humans would count as a distinct human ethnicity/race/nation/what have you. Since a separate article on the Mandalorian warrior organization and Mandalorian Humans couldn't be written, I thought that they should go into the Human races category.

Obviously, not everyone agrees, but there's my arguement, anyway. Comments? &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 22:48, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No, the mandalorians were a mix of several different races and cultures.--Xilentshadow900 23:52, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I know, I said so above. My point is, they were for the most part human, and could thus be included in the Human races category. They'd also be included in the "Togorian clans" or "Kerestian tribes" categories, if they existed. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 04:11, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Infidelity?
At the begining of chapter 15 of Republic Commando: Triple Zero it has a quote about Mandalorians that says "They seem tolerant of marital infidelity...". Should someone incorperate that information into the article? I wouldn't know how to incorperate such information into the article, so it would be best if someone else did it.
 * Not having Triple Zero, could you provide me the complete passage?TIEPilot051999 04:57, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * "...Their definition of offspring or parentt is more by relationship than birth: adoption is extremely common, and it's not unusual for soldiers to take war orphans as their their sons or daughters if they impress them with their aggression and tenacity. They also seem tolerant of marital infidelity during long separations, as long as any child resulting from it is raised by them. Mandalorians define themselves by culture and behavior alone..." Anyways, when there isn't a long separation, marital fidelity is important. The culture section still isn't fully updated, but this should be covered. (Yeah, it's my fault for being lazy and not updating it.) -LtNOWIS 21:21, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * So, is someone going to add this new info? 151.203.160.169 07:40, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah.. I checked and the article doesn't say anything about the Mando'ade views on infidelity, and all that stuff mentioned in the above quote. Is someone going to add it? I would do it myself, but I would probably mess the article up (I don't think i'm all that good at adding new stuff), so instead of trying to do it and ending up looking like a Di'kut, i think someone else should add this new information in.
 * It seems to be relevant info, so i don't know why it hasn't been included
 * I'll work it in later tonight. I have to do some edits on this anyway. TIEPilot051999 02:23, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Possible Scalping?
Is it possible that the Mandalorians scalp some opponets? I remember reading in The Unifying Force about a Yuuzhan Vong Warrior with a full head of hair charging down a hall at a group of Mandalorians, and stumbling back a few seconds latter stark bald. Normally I would just assume that his hair may have simply been blown off by laser fire or a grenade, but there is the matter of the Wookiee pelts that Boba Fett was known to wear. -- SFH 23:44, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I've never heard that, but it's possible. -LtNOWIS 00:04, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Quote
I had an idea about the quote. Does anyone think it would be a good idea to translate the current quote ("Mandalorians don't make threats. We make promises.") into Mando'a then use the Mando'a version of the quote (with the Basic translation right after it) in the article? I don't know too much Mando'a so someone more knowlegable would have to do the translation, but I think it would be cool to see ''"Mandalorians don't make threats. We make promises." '' writen in Mando'a as the quote. 141.154.164.134 14:15, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * No. Kuralyov 17:20, 4 April 2006 (PDT)
 * Well alright then. It was just a thought, no big deal. 141.154.164.134 00:50, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

KOTOR-era Mandalorian symbol
In KOTOR II, on Dxun, some flags in the jungle bear a symbol which seems to be their insignia. However it looks more or less like that one of the Infinite Empire. Anyone has noticed it? Maybe we should include it here MoffRebus 21:25, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, a month has passed and no reply. Anyone noticed what I said? MoffRebus 13:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I did! But I have no in-universe answer, only the out-of-universe answer ("lazy programming.") Sorry. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 20:22, 11 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Do you have a picture link to the symbol? Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 03:10, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No, alas!! I was not even able to compare i it was identical to the Infinite EMpire symbol or just similar. Silly Dan?? MoffRebus 12:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Quotes
The quote from the Mando history article is very cool. Can anyone add some more quotes? --Eyrezer 23:26, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * That's the full text of the in-universe quote from the beginning of the article. Anything more would violate our goal of keeping quotes attributable to in-universe sources. jSarek 21:48, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Change Back to Mandalorian
I am of the mind that this article should be changed back to "Mandalorian". This is the "Basic" version of Wookieepedia, and therefore the English names should be used. It is also the name by which the majority of english speaking Star Wars fans know the subject/s, Mando'ade is a bit too shibbolethy for me. Maybe I'm in the minority- but I want to see other people's opinions on this.(Ulicus 01:18, 22 May 2006 (UTC))
 * Definitely agree. Kuralyov 01:21, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Shibbolethy...good word! There are good arguements either way, and our naming policy would (I think) consider either of them correct and full names.  Perhaps we should call a vote? &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 01:25, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Move to Mandalorian

 * 1) Ulicus. For the reasons listed above.(Ulicus 14:08, 22 May 2006 (UTC))
 * 2) >Sikon [ Talk ] 14:15, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Totally agree. UVnet 01:24, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Jerrycurl. Agree 100% --Jerry 19:16, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) Kuralyov 19:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) SFH 18:31, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 7) It's what they call themselves when speaking Basic, so it's not like they find it offensive or anything. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 18:46, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 8) RMF 18:47, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 9) Support. Though I think moving them to Ninja would also work - they've been known to fight pirates, after all. jSarek 09:23, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 10) I've always liked Mandalorian better anyway--Xilentshadow900 12:23, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Keep at Mando'ade

 * 1) MandalorianWarriortalk [[Image:Mandskull.jpg|20px]] 02:51, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 18:26, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) User:RushinSundaws 13:30, 10 June 2006
 * 4) BaronGrackle 23:22, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Keep at Klingon

 * 1) Sikon [ Talk ] 18:24, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) RMF 18:25, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) I just wanted to join in. :) &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 18:26, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Darth Culator 18:27, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) Adamwankenobi Talk to me!  My home. 18:29, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) But only if it weighs the same as a duck! --McEwok 18:50, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Move to Ninja

 * 1) (a) Mandalorians are mammals.  (b) Mandalorians fight all the time. (c) The purpose of Mandalorians is to flip out and kill people. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 18:37, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Neutral/Comments
If we move Mando'ade from it's proper name (Mando'ade) to it's Basic name (Mandalorian), then we will also have to move Mitth'raw'nuruodo from his proper name (Mitth'raw'nuruodo) to his Basic name (Thrawn). otherwise it wouldn't be fair to have some articles under their proper names, and others under their Basic names. I thought articles were suppose to use the proper name.. If that is the case, then Mando'ade should be left at Mando'ade, since that is it's proper name. 151.203.158.183 19:43, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, we've gone over that: most users agreed that "Thrawn" was a nickname rather than his new name in Basic (as though, say, a Ukrainian man moved to a country where no one could pronounce or spell Andrukhovych properly, and asked everyone to just call him "Yuri.") &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 21:49, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, Ulicus' reason for wanting to move Mando'ade to Mandalorian was "This is the "Basic" version of Wookieepedia, and therefore the English names should be used." If you follow that idea, then Mitth'raw'nuruodo should be moved to Thrawn, since that is what he is known as in Basic (Wether or not it is a nickname is irelevent, since he was still known as "Thrawn" in basic). My point is, if Mando'ade is moved to Mandalorian becuase of the reasons Ulicus gave (the whole "This is the "Basic" version of Wookieepedia, and therefore the English names should be used''" thing) then therefore you would also have to move Mitth'raw'nuruodo to Thrawn, becuase the same idea would apply to both articles. I, myself believe that Mando'ade should not be moved 151.203.158.183 22:53, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Mitth'raw'nuruodo is still Thrawn's name in basic. It doesn't become Thrawn when you "translate it into basic", "Thrawn" is simply the shortened version. Like Chris is to Christopher. I'd prefer it to be at "Thrawn", yes, but I can accept the reasoning for it being at Mitth'raw'nurodo. I cannot accept the reasoning for this article to be "Mando'ade". If someone wants to write a Mando'a Wookieepedia (which would rule), then they should feel free.(Ulicus 16:22, 9 June 2006 (UTC))

 it's still called Mando'ade?  http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Mando%27ade#Change_Back_to_Mandalorian  We should change it to "Klingon" just to see the fandos go nuts.

- Sikon [ Talk ] 18:16, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Ha ha ha ha ha...I'm not a Fandalorian, but how does one initiate proceedings to have admin status revoked? -- SFH 18:32, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Just chill, it's just a joke, like Earth was, I'll move it back, originally it was to see how soon "fandos" will revert the move :). - Sikon [ Talk ] 18:37, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Umm, guys... I'm no Fandalorian by a long-shot, but isn't this kind of a double-standard? While I love the word "Shibbolethy" as much as the next guy, the fact is that, other than dear Grand Admiral Thrawn, our article names for Sand People and Max Rebo, seem to indicate that we SHOULD move to the vernacular "Mando'ade". Be warned that consistency is one of the things I can be fanatical about... if we don't move this to its native tongue, a fuss will have to be raised over the other names.

Speaking of which, wouldn't the name "Mitth'raw'nuruodo" actually be in Cheunh, not Basic? It was created in the Cheunh language, and no one speaking Basic uses it. Even if it isn't a Cheunh name, who in the world of Galactic Basic uses the word "Ghorfa" for the Tuskens? -BaronGrackle 23:22, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * As far as the Thrawn example goes, personal names are a bit different than other words in English Basic: if you wrote an article about me, you wouldn't translate my name into English from its messy mixture of Hebrew, French, Gaelic, and Norwegian. On the other hand, an English-language encyclopedia would title articles "German people" and and "French language" rather than "Deutsche Volk" or "langue Française", because an English-language equivalent, accepted by bilingual speakers, exists. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 23:33, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

Mandalorian ships
It would be good to add list of starships used by Mandalorians, eg: and more...
 * Mandalorian Dungeon Ship
 * Mandalorian battleship
 * Mandalorian frigate
 * Firespray-class starship
 * Pursuer-class enforcement ship
 * Mandalorian carrier
 * Meteor-class Q-Carrier
 * Amphibious Interstellar Assault Transport/infantry

SkywalkerPL 16:54, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Unkown Mandalorian starship
Who knows what ship is it? (on right.) If there is no article than It should be created - as Mandalorian carrier. Ship is shown in Jango Fett - Open seasons - part 2. SkywalkerPL 16:55, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * THX for Kuralyov for creating article. SkywalkerPL 08:47, 3 July 2006 (UTC)