Talk:Asajj Ventress/Legends

CiC
At what point was Asajj Ventress the C-i-C for CIS forces? I'm aware that she was a Commander, but had not seen any reference to her as the head. --SparqMan 06:23, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Um, pretty much never. That succession box is absolutely bogus. Grievous was in action as early as the Battle of Geonosis, and so pretty much held the position for the entire duration of the war. QuentinGeorge 07:00, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Even though Ventress wasn't C-i-C, she had the opertunity when Dooku placed Durge, Ventress, and Grievous in a head-to-head-to-head fight which determined who would be the C-i-C. Of course, Grievous won. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 12:24, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Which pretty much establishes GG as sole CiC for the entire war. QuentinGeorge 12:25, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * So, on the Asajj Ventress page and the General Grievous page, we'll have to remove Asajj Ventress's name from the C-i-C table. Also, Durge's name will have to be removed from Asajj Ventress's page and Durge's page. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 14:50, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Fixed boxes on Asajj Ventress, Durge, Grievous, and Sev'rance Tann.Cmdr. J. Nebulax 14:55, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Affiliation
It has been made clear that Asajj was not a Sith. She was a Commander in the CIS forces and an agent of Dooku, but it seems a stretch to affiliate her with the Sith. Asajj was no more affiliated with the Sith than Jango Fett or Durge, regardless of her Force skills. --SparqMan 17:41, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Was she actually trained by Dooku at any point? And did she know that he was a Sith lord? If both these points are true, then i think it's fair to say that her affiliation is Sith. (i'm just not sure if those two points are true) --Azizlight 15:05, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, and yes. She wanted to become a Sith, but Dooku dodged her requests, teaching her only what was needed to to make her an effective agent. She may qualify as a cultist.
 * Actually, I believe Azizlight's questions have already been answered, anonymous user. Admiral J. Nebulax 03:28, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Any chance the Dark Jedi featured in This Article could be Asajj? And as far as I know, all RPG stuff like that is considered part of the official continuity.
 * I think it's pretty obvious that she's supposed to be Ventress. I knew she was by the fifth paragraph, and the bit at the end practically screams "Ventress! Dooku! Sidious!" :P--Spanky The Dolphin 03:58, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)


 * As did I, but I sometimes have a way with reading far too much into things.
 * It's MORE THAN OBVIOUS that's Asajj. So obvious I can't believe we're talking about it... --Master Starkeiller 11:22, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh, it's her alright. It almost sounds like her battle with Anakin on Yavin 4. Almost is the word that I'm stretching.

Species
I don't think Asajj is a "Rattakian". Osika Kirske looks totally different. QuentinGeorge 04:32, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Osika isn't a Rattataki. The Rattataki are the bald near-humans. We don't know the name of the "sharkpeople", Kirske's species, yet. --Master Starkeiller 22:16, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Sith
I think Asajj Ventress should be counted among the Sith characters category. I don't believe that she should be counted as a Sith Lord, but she obviously felt that she was a Sith, and seemed to consider herself more Sith than Separatist. -- SFH 03:30, 22 Oct 2005 (UTC) I'm not saying she should be called Darth Ventress. i'm just saying that she seemed to believe that her allegance was the Sith first, the Confederacy second. Also, it is still listed as one of her affiliations...before CIS. -- SFH 00:46, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Dooku laughed at her and specifically told her that she was "not Sith". You can't get any more explicit than that. QuentinGeorge 03:31, 22 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure she is any more "affiliated" with the Sith than Jango Fett. QuentinGeorge 06:17, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Creator?
Did John Ostrander created Asajj? Thanks.
 * For the love of God, stop removing everything I say!!! Cmdr. J. Nebulax 21:19, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * One: 206.180.134.114, come on and be cooperative. Is it really that hard? Two: Ventress is based on a concept for AOTC that eventually became Dooku, as seen here: Hollis 21:24, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Quote
Would anyone object if I were to replace the current quote. My reason being that since Ventress is not a Sith, the current one is misleading, and is not as much about the character as by the character. My suggestion: "You are no Jedi, girl. You are simply hatred and bile given form."

- Master Fay

Any objections?
 * I agree. That one is far superior. QuentinGeorge 22:53, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree as well. It is much better than the one up there now. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:09, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It has been added. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:10, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Paragraph on Xagobah
Why was it removed? Sure, it wasn't in the correct spot probably, but, for some reason, Xilentshadow removed it. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:47, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It was canonically in the incorrect spot. Xagobah is not the place Asajj would want to go to retreat, and if she had brought the medical ship there, wouldn't alpha have been found?--Xilentshadow900 00:21, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Yet what was in the paragraph was true. It was placed in the wrong spot, but it was canon. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:06, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll fix it.--Xilentshadow900 01:10, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:10, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I've put it in the best spot I could, but it could be better. If only the author of those kids books had been better informed!--Xilentshadow900 01:13, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, it looks good where it is. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:14, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Is there really any reason to assume it was Asajj at Xagobah? Dooku did order six of the Fanblade starfighters, of which only 2 are confirmed to have been lost. The other 4 could've been piloted by any number of Dooku's minions. 68.47.234.131 08:11, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, Ventress is on the cover of that book, isn't she? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 12:55, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * But I thought Obsession takes place right before Labryinth of Evil, which is immediately followed by Episode III. So how come we assume that the encounter on Xagobah was after her retreat, not before? 207.200.116.204 00:23, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I just got done looking through some things, and the Second Battle of Xagobah occurs before the Battle of Boz Pity; however, I'm not sure if it's after Skywalker and Ventress's duel on Coruscant. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:29, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * However, according to the dates on Obsession and Pursuit, Pursuit appears to take place after Obsession, so the Second Battle of Xagobah could have lasted long enough for it to start before the Battle of Boz Pity and end after it. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:33, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * But Obsession implies that Ventress is being healed for her wounds during her fight with Anakin on Coruscant.-- The Erl of the  talk  What I do 00:48, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * "healed for her wounds during the her fight with Anakin on Coruscant"? What? That makes no sense. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:38, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Look at it this way, in the book Anakin takes Boba back to the Jedi Temple so he can deliver his "message" to Palpatine. Isn't it totally possible that Asajj just followed him and fought with him there? I never read "Obsession", so don't get mad at me if I'm wrong. -lord_vader1414
 * No, I don't think so. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 02:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Mira?
How can the bounty hunter Mira, and the Jedi Mira be the same person? Unless I am seriously mistaken, they existed about 4,000 years appart. -- tikaheta -- Ok, thanks! -- tikaheta --
 * They're not the same person. The link is simply screwed up. I'll fix it. -- AdmThrawn --
 * You'll find that tons of links are like that. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:08, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)

dead.
dead. she is dead. I read it on the ofcial site. P.h 22:40, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)p.h
 * No you didn't. You read it in your mind. You want to go home and rethink your life - Kwenn 22:41, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * No I didnt, I read it in my mind. I want to go home and rethin-... Hay! no I read it on the site! P.h 22:47, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)p.h
 * If you put that in again, I'll have someone lock the page. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:45, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Just where on the site did you read it? We'd all love to know - Kwenn 22:48, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not on her Databank entry. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:53, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * And don't remove this topic just because you're wrong and you know it. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:53, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I read itsomewhere it may oficial site. I was pretty sure it was, but every one makes mistakes, right?
 * Yet when you're wrong, you remove a ton of posts. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:59, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * yep. sorry won't happen again P.h 23:00, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)p.h
 * It better not. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:01, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry.Sorry.Sorry.Sorry.Sorry.Sorry. I heard that back in the dark times. the times when I believed supershadow. I know I should be ashamed :( P.h 01:33, 18 January 2006 (UTC)p.h
 * Okay, it's over now anyway. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:03, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Eye Color
Blue? Really? Looks pretty brown in Obsession. I guess you could sort of argue it's Sith eyes, but...still, looks more brown. Yrfeloran 06:07, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. Comics can screw up minor things like that. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Sabers
Where's it established that Ventress's sabers were Vosa's? Lieutenant Gerard 23:07, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I believe that they are the same. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:32, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. Why? Lieutenant Gerard 18:42, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * There's a source that says Dooku gave Ventress Vosa's sabers. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:39, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Great. What is it? Lieutenant Gerard 01:19, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * My friend showed it to me, I believe. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:26, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, on second thought, I don't remember where I saw it. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:26, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, if no one has a source for it, it should probably be removed. Lieutenant Gerard 21:48, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, can you provide a source that Ventress's lightsabers weren't Vosa's? Admiral J. Nebulax 21:53, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The Vosa page said that information came from Leland Chee. Yrfeloran 22:31, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * There. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Link, please? - Kwenn 22:56, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yrfeloran says it's on Vosa's page. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:21, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It was on the Cartoon Continuity thread on the OS Forums. QuentinGeorge 05:35, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip, found it here :) Yrfeloran 05:51, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * There you go, Gerard. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:51, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * 'ppreciate it. Lieutenant Gerard 20:54, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Yrfeloran. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:08, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Dogfighting?
"As an appendix to Ventress's exploits, it was believed she may have returned to the Clone Wars, despite her declaration aboard the medical frigate. She was reportedly seen dogfighting Boba Fett and Anakin Skywalker in a Fanblade starfighter over Xagobah. Her reasons for returning to the war, if the pilot was indeed Ventress herself, remain a mystery." Fanon, methinks? Cutch 06:32, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Just saw the above thread on the same subject. Thanks. Cutch 18:11, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. ;) Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:06, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

What Was That??
On Ohma-D'un, when Asajj Ventress is dueling Obi-Wan, she apperently has the power to reanimate the dead through the dark-side of the force. Is there any name for this power?? LordRevan 01:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't believe it was named, but the Gungan were more like mind slaves to Ventress. If they were truly alive again, they'd be helping the Jedi. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:16, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * acctually, i think it might be Sith alchemy. Unless i misread something, it looks like that's possible. Lord vader1414 22:38, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That could be, but there had to have been some mass mind control going on. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:11, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Um... alchemy coupled with a mind trick? Cutch 01:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought she was just moving the bodies with telekinesis. Yoda did that with dead clones in Duel, IIRC. Of course, that would be quite a feat for her. -LtNOWIS 01:27, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think she moved them with telekinesis for the reason you said ("Of course,..."). It sounds like a form of Sith alchemy possibly with mind control. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:21, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Good point. a MAJOR amount of mind control would have to go into that. I wonder though... i'm starting to second guess myself. how powerful would she have to be to use sith alchemy? Lord vader1414 22:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Dooku could have taught her. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:26, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That would make sence. okay. got it. Lord vader1414 17:08, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, since we don't know for sure, we can only guess now. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Too true. We need more info on this. I think I'll look it up. Lord vader1414 19:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I doubt there'll be much. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:21, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, I'm gonna try. Lord vader1414 19:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, good luck. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:51, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, then. that didnt help alot. I didnt see anything useful. Lord vader1414 18:03, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, we shouldn't be talking about this kind of thing here anymore. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:13, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Lightning
Should I add that Asajj Ventress was able to use Force Lightning? -- DurgeFan 15:46, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It really isn't needed&mdash;a lot of dark side Force users could shoot Force lightning. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:32, 11 June 2006 (UTC)