Wookieepedia:Comprehensive article nominations/Qid Proko


 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a comprehensive article nomination that was unsuccessful. Please do not modify it.

Qid Proko

 * Nominated by: Demos Traxen 05:21, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
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 * 1) Hey there!
 * 2) *Hey there! Welcome to the CAN page. Good to see you nominating something, Demos. Here are a few pointers to help you get started:
 * 3) *Including an intro for a Comprehensive article is fine, but if you do, it still needs to follow the rules for intros --- that is, it can't have any references in it. The intro should also not contain any exclusive info --- anything mentioned in the intro also needs to be mentioned in the article's body. Namely, the body currently doesn't mention that he's a Quarren. It's important to keep in mind that the intro functions separately from the rest of the article --- a handy way to remember this is to write the intro last. Write up the article first, including all of the relevant info, and then write the intro afterward as a summary of what's below it.
 * 4) **All done, I believe.
 * 5) *For an article this short, I don't think that having several subsections of the biography is warranted. I strongly recommend just keeping it as one "Biography."
 * 6) **Sorry, I'm a sucker for subsections. Done.
 * 7) *Everything in the infobox needs to be sourced.
 * 8) **Done.
 * 9) *The "likely" in Behind the scenes is a big no-no. That kind of speculation, even if it seems kind of obvious, can't be in any sort of status article. Check out some bts sections of some other comprehensive articles to get an idea of what you should put in "Behind the scenes."
 * 10) **Done. I'm a big remover of unverified info, but this did indeed seem too obvious to discard. Replaced now.
 * 11) *As the Rebellion Era Sourcebook was published in 2001, there's a chance that this guy has an entry in The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia --- it's a good idea to make an inquiry about it here. Menkooroo 05:38, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * 12) **Done, asked, and awaiting further info. --Demos Traxen 16:58, March 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * 13) ***Really done now. Verified that he escaped Order 66 specifically, and added the CSWE as a second source. --Demos Traxen 23:50, March 30, 2011 (UTC)


 * Prepare to be savaged...
 * Because it seems this article has so little information anyway, I'd ditch the lead paragraph, ditch the "Biography" header, and just make this a leadless article (per many other articles that become CAs). I also think the three bio paragraphs could be merged into one without any problem; with articles this short, paragraphs often end doing more harm than good.
 * Couldn't fully do away with them, but they've become longer anyway. It hurt my heart, but there was combining to be had.--Demos Traxen 04:09, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Watch the linking... Pretty much anything that can be linked should be (it's a policy with which I disagree, but one that is fairly standardized on the site). For example, looking at the first couple lines of "Bio," Quarren, Jedi Knight, and years should be linked to.
 * Linked the H-E-double hockey sticks out of the article.--Demos Traxen 04:09, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * In BTS, it's usually best to tell who created the character and when if possible, and to give context on the source if necessary. Here, for instance, you should probably mention that the book was a supplement for the WOTC RPG, that the writers were Slaviscek, Miller, and Stephens, and that the book was published in 2001 by WOTC.
 * Done.--Demos Traxen 04:09, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * So, he's a game character? It's probably worth considering his game stats for any information that should be mentioned in the bio or in a potential "Personality and traits" section. Does he speak any languages? Does he have any skills or traits that are unusually high? What Force powers does he have access to?
 * Done.--Demos Traxen 04:09, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * A bit more context might be warranted on when Order 66 occurred. You can get the date from The New Essential Chronology if you need to.
 * I'm an Order 66 fiend. Done.--Demos Traxen 04:09, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * You'll need to cite a source for the date of Order 66, unless his CSWE entry mentions it. And speaking of CSWE, you should use the full-form citation template. Just copy the text Master Jonathan typed out after the Qid Proko entry on the CSWE entry request page here. The one you cite in notes should include the page number, but the one you cite in "Sources" shouldn't. ~ SavageBob 05:24, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * I can find a date citation pretty easily, but I have to admit I'm pretty confused about the full-form citation template. I understand the concept, but I guess I just can't figure how the pieces are meant to fit together. It doesn't seem to be properly formatted. I'll work on it more in the morning. --Demos Traxen 05:41, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Finally, context on what the book means by "Jedi mentor" might be in order.
 * Done.--Demos Traxen 04:09, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * And let me reiterate what Menk said above: It's great to see a nomination from you! I hope our reviews here will serve to help iron out the kinks so we can see a lot more from you. :) ~ SavageBob 00:02, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! You savage creature.--Demos Traxen 04:09, March 31, 2011 (UTC)


 * QGJ
 * The article currently stands at 271 words by my count. Add a short intro and take it to the GAN! QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 15:32, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Would it just be better to cut 20-odd words than have to go through another nominating process, and a more rigorous one at that?--Demos Traxen 19:37, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's not how the system works. If an article can reach the 250 words limit, it should be taken to the GAN, regardless of the rigorousness of the latter process. This article is already long enough, and that's not counting the room for a potential intro. Comprehensive status was meant to be awarded specifically to articles that contain all the available info, but still fall short of 250 words. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 19:51, March 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ookay. GA Nommed now.--Demos Traxen 23:28, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

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 * I love this guy's name. ~ SavageBob 05:41, March 30, 2011 (UTC)