Talk:Krynda Draay

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Hmm. Judging by the picture, she's more likely to be Kreia than Atris. - Sikon [ Talk ] 06:09, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think its neccessarily either of them, here's why: The author is trying to throw in all these little winks to the video game - the fact that it's a grey robe is probably a reference to the "gray jedi robe" in the games, and whoever this new(?) character is, they're probably some sort of gray jedi. Or maybe it's Kreia. Lonnyd 07:51, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

My money's on Atris. Both were fanatical about stopping the spread of the dark side.--KrossTransmit on Holonet? 17:39, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I'm going to venture to say that it is NOT Atris. This Jedi Associate is supposedly a female Jedi Master, living during the Great Sith War, who trained some of the Orders greatest Jedi Consulars? My thoughts going directly to Kreia. Consider this:
 * Atris is (I'm assuming) too young to have been living during the Great Sith War.
 * Atris is even stated to have never trained any Jedi. She holds the title of Jedi Master by honorary means, not by the traditional methods.
 * Kreia says that she was exiled because every student she ever trained was considered a failure.
 * Vrook makes the comment, upon seeing Kreia, "Is this your new Master, Exile? If so, then you follow Revan's path. Her teachings will cause you to fall as surely as her did." But we know that she taught more than just Revan.
 * This Associate seems to have a deep knowledge of the Force, and supposedly taught these consular Jedi Masters much of the teachings of the Jedi. Kreia was the Jedi Historian before Atris.

Ooo, I just thought of something. Maybe that's how Atris assumed that role. She was a Jedi Master who had never trained a Jedi. I think it sage to assume she was not trained by Kreia (Wizards of the Coast depict Atris as a Jedi Guardian). She would have been the perfect fall-back for Historian candidate after the Council exiled Kreia. That is, if Kreia was exiled for the reasons that she gives the Exile. She even admits lying to the Exile from the moment she awoke. So why are the reason of her exile and the exile of others taken as correct. She most certainly wasn't correct on the Council stripping the Exile of the Force.

Anyway, my money is on Kreia being Jedi Associate. If she's not, then it's someone else. But I can almost say, with certainty, that it is not Atris.--Master Dakari 03:45, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

What?
Referring to her being Kreia: "However this is unlikely because she was cast out of the order sometime during or even before the Mandalorian Wars for her training of Revan." Is it just me, or is this a complete non sequitur? - Lord Hydronium 21:54, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, seems to be irrelevant. Lonnyd 22:33, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Dark Side?

 * However, this goal became an obsession, and blinded her to the rise of the dark side in the Order through other means until it was too late.

That's speculation, I think. It's unknown if there actually was a rise of the dark side, and if there was, whether the associate was oblivious to it or whether she actually was the cause of it. - Sikon [ Talk ] 19:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * This info is all based on the advert for Issue #10 of the series. Lonnyd 12:02, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It didn't mention the dark side last time I checked. - Sikon [ Talk ] 12:33, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

???
So what makes anyone think this person i "the jedi associate" forget the fact over who it might be. How do you guys know it is 1) a female 2) anybody who plays any role (could just be random nobody watching the news) 3) And any of the other information in the article?

I read the comics, and they don't say anythign about a "jedi associate"
 * Then you must be a pretty bad reader. Kuralyov 03:47, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

I read it
O.k. it says that they talked to their associate, so I can see that there is someone they are connected to, but how do you know it is the robbed person and how do you know it is a she?
 * First issue.

Xamar: Yessss...tonight. Did you contact Corussscant? Lucien: I heard what I needed to hear. Xamar: Yessss, but what did sssshe ssssay?

Going to play the "Jedi associate isn't female!" game like Exile?

-- Redemption Talk 19:55, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Okay
I noticed after I posted that where it said she, but how do you know that the robed figure is the associate?
 * It's pretty obvious. Who else would it be? Just some random person sitting there? I don't think so or else there would be no point in concealing the face. Use your common sense for Gods sake. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 21:55, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

It's NOT Atris...
I don't believe that it coould be Atris for reasons already mentioned and also for logical reasons of psychology...If Atris was the Master of one of the Padawans, she would have been severely "shaken" by the fall or potential fall of her padawan more so thanthe exile who she never had the master-padawan "bond" with. This event would have shaken her to the core because of the doom of the other four padawans who were not the suspected Sith pontential...it would suggest that her faith in the perfection of the Jedi way of life was already shaken before the "fall" of the Exile, and her wiki profile suggests that The Exile's defiance is what did her faith in.. Kreia is an almost perfect choice for this role of the Associate..the only question in my mind about that is wether Kreia was already a Sith and somehow perhaps caused this event to transpire. After all Kreia seems fond of communicating over distances, anyways..as for this other lady I have no idea who she is her profile doesn't even mention any association with the force..other than perhaps her blood relation to a jedi...not having read the comic this puts me at a disadvantage..on that possibility but It just seems natural for the associate to be Kreia, and it explains why she was so thoroughly Exliled from the order, simply being the traainer of a fallen jedi just doesn't seem like enough to me, but then it seems they would have done more to Kreia than cast her out if it were discovered fully that she took part in this plot...or maybe not if she feigned redemtion...to those who have read this comic series, what happened to the vision of the surviving padawan? this prophecy could help clear up some of the confusion( if it's a reliable prophecy that is)..e.g. which Master survived? did this master best the boy in combat and confess to someone, maybe HIM alone(pointless unless pleading or gloating I suppose since he already knows of the plot) before she struck him down?...Well this plot makes for good literature and I'll have to read up on it, because it sounds good enough to expand more on the nature of this "Jedi Associate" character.


 * Hmmm its all specualtion anyway at this point Jedi Dude 11:34, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Frankly, at this point I'm inclined to assert that Krynda is the associate. However, it isn't clear yet, and many will disagree. - Sikon 11:38, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * If we rely on Master Q'Anilia's vision there's no known female Jedi that fits with it. Look, the only known female Jedi who is victim of the First Jedi Purge is Lonna Vash. However, she is not killed on Coruscant (she died on Korriban) and it's true that she is murdered by a Sith Lord (Darth Sion), but he didn't wear red clothes... So it must be another character. Not Atris, not Kreia, not Vash.  Battle Surgeon  talk
 * True. Sion did not wear red clothing but they said that the red space suit represented one of the Padawans. Not everything in those visions was crystal clear. Several things were simply representation. I'd be more then willing to believe that Krynda and Kreia are one in the same just by the similarities in the name and what we saw was a "representation" of Kreias fall. But everything in this discussion is a moot point though. Merely speculation. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 13:40, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

but were talking about the jedi associate, not the sith killer in the masters' visions, right?
I cannot even begin to speculate about that it seems as if their visions are of events from different time periods, like the one that saw the destruction of the temple on Coruscant... Also, Kreia herself was given to visions and maybe thats why she might have sanctioned the massacre... I think the surviving padawans vision is key to solving this mystery... whoever has read this comic needs to come forward and add to this discussion with facts about what happened as he hunted after these masters ie which one survived..etc.

Merge with Krynda Draay?
I think it's clear now (I don't have the comic, but that's judging by the long spoiler LosDosMos posted on TFN). - Sikon 04:46, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No, this should be moved back. Krynda and Haazen speak of another member of the covenant who is a Jedi inside the order, the associate is still unnamed and offscreen. Lonnyd 22:21, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you be specifc (page number, who says it, yatta yatta ya)? Since I just went through it and Haazen and Krynda don't say anything about another Jedi. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 22:23, 3 November 2006 (UTC)