Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations

 The featured articles of the wiki are articles that represent the best Wookieepedia has to offer. This is not a way to showcase the articles of your favorite characters, spaceships, or the like.


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So just what makes a featured article? Well, we've prepared a list just in case someone should ask that, and it is as follows.

An article must&hellip;


 * 1) &hellip;be well-written and detailed.
 * 2) &hellip;be unbiased, non-point of view.
 * 3) &hellip;be sourced with all available sources and appearances.
 * 4) &hellip;follow the Manual of Style, Layout Guide, and all other policies on Wookieepedia.
 * 5) &hellip;not be the object of any ongoing edit wars.
 * 6) &hellip;not be tagged with any sort of improvement tags (i.e. more sources, expand, etc).
 * 7) &hellip;have a proper lead that gives a good summary of the topic and can be used for the front page featured box.
 * 8) &hellip;have no more than 3 redlinks.
 * 9) &hellip;have significant information from all sources and appearances, especially a biography for character articles.
 * 10) &hellip;not have been previously featured on the Main Page. Otherwise, it can only be restored to featured status.
 * 11) &hellip;be completely referenced for all available material and sources. See Sourcing for more information.
 * 12) &hellip;have all quotes and images sourced.
 * 13) &hellip;provide at least one quote on the article; a leading quote at the beginning is required. Only one quote would be allowed at the beginning of each section at max, although quotes may be placed in the middle of the article.
 * 14) &hellip;include a "personality and traits" section on all character articles.
 * 15) &hellip;include a reasonable number of images of good quality if said images are available.
 * 16) &hellip;pass review by the Inquisitorius review panel.
 * 17) &hellip;counting the introduction and Behind the Scenes material, be at least 1000 words long (not including captions, quotes, or headers, etc).

For more information on what makes a featured article, see What is a featured article?

How to nominate:


 * 1) First, nominate an article you find is worthy of featured status, putting it at the bottom of the list below; see criteria above. Note that a previously featured article cannot be featured on the Main Page again; however, it can be restored to featured status.
 * 2) Others will object to the nomination if they disagree that the article is good enough; they will then supply reasons for doing so, and ways to improve the article (errors, style, organization, images, notability, sources).
 * 3) Supporters adjust the article until the objectors (with reasonable objections) are satisfied.
 * 4) The article is placed on the featured article list and added to the front page queue.
 * 5) Also, if, at least a week after the article's nomination, that article has 5 supports and no objections (or the objections have been stricken or overridden), it will be added to the queue, and will be officially known as a "featured article".

How to vote:


 * 1) Before doing anything, be sure to read the article completely, keeping a sharp eye out for mistakes.
 * 2) Afterwards, compare the article to the criteria listed above, and then either support or object the article's nomination.
 * 3) If you object, please supply concrete reasons for doing so, and how it can be improved. Please cite which rule your objection falls under! Failure to do so will result in your objection being considered invalid.
 * 4) As stated above, any objections will be looked upon by the nominator, supporters, and anyone willing to improve the article, and action will be taken to please the objectors.
 * 5) Once all objectors' complaints have been solved (or the article has 5 supports and no objections after at least a week), the article will be added to the queue and be officially known as a "featured article".

Also remember to add nominated at the top of the article you are nominating.

Every Sunday the next article in the queue will be highlighted on the Main Page as featured, marked with the featured template and removed from the list of nominations. The beginning of the article then appears on the Main Page via the featured article template. Nominees that are inactive for a month will be eliminated from the nominations list.

(4 Inqs/5 Users/9 total)
Support
 * 1) Darthchristian   ( Hey! ) 10:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Themelle444 18:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Kylekatarn 09:30, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Didn't find any problems.  —Xwing328 (Talk) 23:19, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Much better now. Creepy girl, though.  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 15:50, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) *She's goth. Can't you tell? Darthchristian   ( Hey! ) 19:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 7)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 03:06, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Good enough. If this doesn't work, try for GA, it will. [[Image:The Death of Ki-Adi-Mundi.jpg|40px]]  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers! ) 18:50, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) My-hyyyyy... Creeepy gir-hirrrrl... Won't you be my-he-hiiiine...  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 17:13, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) Jedi Master Fiolli 16:18, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * It's an easy fix, but POVity POV POV POV. .  .  .  .  21:07, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Where?-- Darthchristian  ( Hey! ) 22:21, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * "Overconfident", "Deadly", "Swift", "Devious"... .  .  .  .  22:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I was able to address the ones you listed above, except for overconfidence. From both sides, it was clearly obvious that she was overconfident. I made it sound more neutral, and it was the best I could do. -- Darthchristian  ( Hey! ) 3:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Mmkay, I've made some changes, but the prose is in need of a lot of work. A lot of sharp, short sentences that don't flow well. .  .  .  .  03:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks better now. I'll work on the sentences.-- Darthchristian  ( Hey! ) 4:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The sentences are longer and I made sure they flowed better. Is it better now?-- Darthchristian  ( Hey! ) 4:36, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Enough for me to strike my opposition. .  .  .  .  00:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Remove the bullets in the BtS, thanks. QuentinGeorge 08:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed.-- Darthchristian  ( Hey! ) 15:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Present tense needs corrected. Atarumaster88  21:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Darthchristian   ( Hey! ) 22:40, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Get rid of the ref tags in the intro. The source given for "Originally an Empire Youth under Lord Hethrir" is Jedi Outcast which I'm pretty sure is wrong. Speculating about her being from Dathomir in BTS is fine, but I'd like to see it removed from the infobox. Green Tentacle (Talk) 09:46, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed --Eyrezer 09:52, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Can somebody check the source for the first paragraph of cult leader? I can find no mention of any of it in Dark Forces Saga 6. Green Tentacle (Talk) 11:53, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm checking in Star Wars: Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy to help on this. Jedi Master Fiolli 16:18, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * Needs a general copyedit. Atarumaster88  21:21, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * REQUEST: This nom is inactive and should be removed by the Inquisitorius. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:32, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Eyrezer just made it active again by fixing one of the objections...  - breathesgelatin Talk 22:38, 8 July 2007 (UTC)

(3 Inqs/15 Users/19 total)
Support
 * 1) Darthchristian   ( Hey! ) 17:49, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Jango Fett107 16:56, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Yeah, I can see it Enochf 23:07, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) (In Tem's accent) Looks good to me. Adamwankenobi 03:35, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) yeah man! General Mandofett  Wrist Holoprojector[[Image:Mandoinsignia.png|20px]] 11:53, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Good to see a major character nom.  Atarumaster88  21:49, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Good article! DARTH SIDIOUS2 18:34, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 8)  Stake black   msg 16:53, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) DWolf2k2 16:38, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) (nods) Thefourdotelipsis 23:41, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 11) Humbone 13:43, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 12) It's got my vote. Ccneyo 02:33, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 13)   Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:31, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 14) Peter5158 21:08, 10 June 2007 (UTC) he has my vote cause he's cool
 * 15) *Shouldn't this be overruled? Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 06:47, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 16) Always good to have a Mando get the recognition he deserves Ryan Fett 4:18, 26 June 2007
 * 17)   Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 00:08, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 18) Looks good to me  &pi;=3 [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] (Click Here To Talk) 13:37, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 19)   Greyman ( Paratus ) 00:35, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 20) Now that Rozatta is finally mentioned before her death occurs. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 20:04, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 21)  Jaina Solo ( Talk ) [[Image:Jainasolosig.gif |25px]] 17:27, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 22) Jorrel [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Fraajic 03:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 23) It's time yousah got together and nominated a bombad ahticle like dis, Buss Nass. Seriously. [[Image:The Death of Ki-Adi-Mundi.jpg|40px]]  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers! ) 18:53, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 24) It'll do it's job well. I guarantee it.--CT-5619 helmet comlink 01:25, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 25) Awsome article!Thire 4477 04:32, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 26) Gotta Love a Fett Dark Lord Xander 06:57, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Oppose Well, that's basically my critique at this late hour. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 06:23, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Jediknight19bby 21:56, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Unsourced quote. Green Tentacle (Talk) 21:35, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed. -- Darthchristian  ( Hey! ) 12:13, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Quotes in prose, and a few unsourced statements in the BtS, but otherwise, fine. .  .  .  .  22:49, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed. --Jango Fett107 14:54, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Severely lacking in detail to the point where, unless you've read the sources, it's almost impossible to understand what actually happened. Havac 19:11, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I want more sources for the "Weapons" section. -- Imp http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/e5/ATATatarismall.png 06:40, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed. -- Darthchristian  ( Hey! ) 14:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Breaks Rule 9; I recall that Jango appears in some Tales stories and those aren't mentioned in the article. Atarumaster88  01:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Which ones? -- Darthchristian  ( Hey! ) 18:36, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I know for sure there's a story in volume 6 and a non-canon in vol. 5. Atarumaster88  20:43, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Fett Club is the non-canon. Atarumaster88 16:49, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Jango Fett107 18:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There's nothing on the Star Wars Adventures Books, and if there is, it's not cited Rules 3 & 9. Cull Tremayne 03:16, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed. --Jango Fett107 18:04, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * .In the introduction, the fact that Jango destroyed the Death Watch could be mentioned. It jumps straight from the Mandalorian Civil War to Jango's bounty hunting days, without even mentioning his prison time or the Death Watch's destruction.
 * Fixed. Darthchristian   ( Hey! ) 13:05, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Rozatta is never mentioned at all in the article before it jumps straight to her death. She, and her affiliation with Jango, need to be mentioned before her death.
 * Okay, there's some mention now. Could be more detailed, but I can't be too picky, I suppose. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 20:04, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Mention the fact that the Infant of Shaa was created on Seylott, so it can be understood why Jango returned it there for safekeeping. Otherwise, it just seems to be a random location.
 * Fixed it. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 15:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * In the non-canon information from Tales 1-20, it is not clear whether Boba or Jango killed Larbo.
 * Not really necessary, just me being picky. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 04:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ataru has addressed this. -- Jango Fett107 (Comlink) [[Image:Mandoinsignia.png|20px]] 15:26, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I haven't read The Warlords of Balmorra, but if possible, a little information about how Jango and Aurra Sing captured the three bounties should be added.
 * Not all that necessary either, but it would be better with a bit of detail. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 04:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There is no proof that Mace Windu used the force to move silently to sneak up on Jango and Dooku; if there is, source it.
 * I just deleted the line. I couldn't find the source for it anywhere. Darthchristian   ( Hey! ) 13:06, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Possibly move the Darth Traya quote above the paragraph describing Jango's death. That's just a suggestion, since I think it would look better.
 * Done. Darthchristian   ( Hey! ) 13:07, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Possibly add an image of Jaster's Legacy.
 * Can't. There isn't any room for it.  Darthchristian   ( Hey! ) 13:08, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, that doesn't really matter. Just an idea. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 17:32, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * From the desk of Atarumaster88
 * Rather sketchy coverage from Bounty Hunter; could definitely be fleshed out more.
 * Is this okay? -- Jango Fett107 (Comlink) [[Image:Mandoinsignia.png|20px]] 03:15, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's better, but it still doesn't provide reasoning or detailed explanations of the events. Yes, I realize it's from a video game, but it's very choppy. I'll give you an example of the prose as of when I see it, and then I'll provide an example of what I'd like to see (or something similar) throughout the whole section. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Current revision
 * Fett’s journey began on Coruscant, where there were rumors that the Bando Gora was behind some strange deathstick shipments. Jango pursued a low-life deathstick dealer, Jervis Gloom, throughout the entertainment district, and forced him to reveal who he was working for. This led Jango to a nerf processing plant, in search of its owner, Groff Haug.
 * Something I would like more
 * Fett began his search for the deranged Bando Gora in Coruscant's entertainment district after learning that the Bando Gora were behind some strange deathstick shipments. Jango pursued a low-life deathstick dealer, Jervis Gloom, through the entertainment district, taking down any of his associates who tried to stop him. Once Jango caught up with Gloom, he forced him to reveal the name of his employer so the bounty hunter could work his way up through the dealing network back to the secretive Bando Gora. The information that Fett obtained from Gloom led him to a nerf processing plant in search of its owner, Groff Haug, who Gloom told him was connected to the Bando Gora. Again Fett battled through guards and mercenaries in the plant while evading the hazards of the large industrial environment, only to find that Montross, who was also hunting Vosa, had already reached Haug first and killed him in a carbon freezer. . . Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Needs information from the first young adult Boba Fett novel. (Fight to Survive)
 * It was already there, but, addressed. -- Jango Fett107 (Comlink) [[Image:Mandoinsignia.png|20px]] 16:08, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I seem to recall Jango doing a bit more in the book. His parenting of Boba was fleshed out in more detail, as was his legacy. Actually, the whole article could benefit from a Legacy section, added in after his death, and it should reflect how his code and contacts helped Boba survive. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:44, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ships section needs some expansion.
 * Referencing errors- blank fields appear in scrollbox at the bottom.
 * Fixed -- Jango Fett107 (Comlink) [[Image:Mandoinsignia.png|20px]] 03:15, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No information from Jedi starfighter.
 * No mention of non-canon info from Tag and Bink.
 * No information from Full of Suprises
 * Relationships section? I mean, this guy barely had any romance, but Sheeka Tull deserves a mention.
 * No informaation from the first one or two levels of Bounty Hunter (i.e. stopping that animal fight, losing his jetpack, etc.)
 * Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:12, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * Striked my objection, but I still agree with Havac. The level of detail is so low, that if I had never seen or read the books, my perception of the character would be severely lacking. Cull Tremayne 06:18, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * As Cull says, the detail could use quite a bit of work. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 04:33, 30 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Overall, it now looks fixed up enough to be a FA, but I really do think the Rozatta thing has to be fixed, otherwise it throws a huge wrench in the flow of the article. I'll vote for it once that's fixed. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 04:30, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I've struck my support for the time being, since there are now some major points which need to be addressed. Once they've been addressed and reviewed, I have no problem re-adding my support. Cheers, Greyman ( Paratus ) 00:31, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

(5 Inqs/15 Users/20 total)
Support
 * 1) QuentinGeorge 11:17, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Kuralyov 13:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)  StarNeptune Talk to me! 16:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) JMAS 22:16, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 6)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 01:17, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Adamwankenobi 23:57, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Yeah.-Darthtyler
 * 9)  Jaina Solo ( Talk ) [[Image:Jainasolosig.gif |25px]] 14:22, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) great article AdmirableAckbar 14:37, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 11) -- Eyrezer 06:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 12) Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 18:10, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 13) Graestan 17:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 14) Green Tentacle (Talk) 21:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 15) Jorrel [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Fraajic 03:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 16) Why not? [[Image:The Death of Ki-Adi-Mundi.jpg|40px]]  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers! ) 18:55, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 17) SingAurraSing 23:03, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 18) Teemto 20:39, 29 July 2007
 * 19) Good Artical  Dark Lord Xander  ( Embrace The Dark Side! )[[Image:MandalorianSymbol.jpg|20px]] 06:42, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Good Artical  Dark Lord Xander  ( Embrace The Dark Side! )[[Image:MandalorianSymbol.jpg|20px]] 06:42, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * Expand intro, section the Clone Wars...section, and I cock my eyebrow, sah, at the sectioning of the BtS. Thefourdotelipsis 11:33, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Intro and sectioning done. Can't see what's wrong the BtS. It looks crap as a bullet or one massive chunky paragraph. QuentinGeorge 11:44, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ditch the portrayal subsection. And expand...something. Note that he's the only EU -based character to be in Clone Wars. Previously established. You know what I mean. Thefourdotelipsis 12:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Aayla was in the Clone Wars as well. But done, anyway. QuentinGeorge 12:10, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Too cursory in its coverage. It could use a lot of fleshing out. Also, we know that there will be a flood of information on K'Kruhk between now and its actually being featured, so it might be best to hold off anyway. Havac 18:05, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Tell me where it needs to be expanded, and I'll expand it. The fact he is going to make more appearances isn't an objection as we featured Darth Bane shortly before the release of Path of Destruction. QuentinGeorge 21:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Havac, look at the queue. Even approving this today would mean, at earliest, it doesn't appear on the front page until April 2008. Plenty of time for his Legacy and Dark Times appearances to be fully integrated in before he shows up on the front page. QuentinGeorge 21:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm not objecting on those grounds. Just suggesting that holding off a bit could improve it. But anway, all the Republic stuff, bar Seleucamai, reads like a very breezy overview -- he went here and fought there and this person died, but there's no feel of what happened. Take, for example, the Vos/Viento thing. It says he was assigned to protect Viento, Vos assassinated Viento, he got hurt. It's lacking in substance. Mention the fact that Vos sneaked past him at night. Mention that he caught Quin just too late. Mention that they went over the balcony in the fight and K'Kruhk bounced off an airspeeder and was lucky to survive. As is, it covers everything, but not to the comprehensive level expected of a featured article. Also, looking again, it could use a powers and talents section -- his healing skill could be mentioned there. And I'm also objecting on grounds of image quality now -- putting the Clone Wars crap as his main pic over one of Jan's far more realistic and detailed drawings is a clear mistake. If you want a headshot, find a Jan headshot or crop a Jan full-body shot down. Havac 21:44, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I disagree that his animated depiction is "crap", but will replace with a comic headshot if that is what people want. I was mainly trying to put a bit of variety in, since I'd used all comic depictions in the biography. QuentinGeorge 21:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * As I side note, some of the detail requirements for these bios seem faintly ridiculous in that we have to chronicle every single step someone takes but, if those are the rules, then those are the rules and I will comply. QuentinGeorge 21:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The image from the cartoon doesn't do the article much good. It should be replaced with a shot from one of the comics (perhaps the Dark Times one?). &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Jack, I've already said I'm going to replace the image and your antics on the Muun page don't exactly inspire confidence in your ability to spot a good one. QuentinGeorge 22:11, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Additionally, I'd rather you didn't do a "cleanup" of the article when I'm trying to expand the damn thing. 22:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Why are you lashing out at me? I give my opinion on the main image and then try to clean up the article, and then you scold me as if I did something wrong. What's your problem? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:16, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

'''Objection overridden by Inquisitorius - Inq/K'Kruhk 05:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC) '''Objection overridden by Inquisitorius - Inq/K'Kruhk 05:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Karohalva I oppose this article on the grounds that using a Clone Wars Cartoon picture in the info-box is a crime against Star Wars. It sounds silly, yes, but it is true.
 * Please read what I have written above. I am going to replace it, as soon as I find a suitable headshot. QuentinGeorge 22:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oops. Sorry then. What say you just crop a full-body shot? That should be Wookieepedian-legal. Karohalva
 * I have to agree with Jack about the CW image for the infobox. I don't think it's crap, but I don't think it's the kind of image we want for an infobox unless there is no other option, such as with the Voolvif Monn and Foul Moudama articles. I went ahead and cropped the Siege of Saleucami image to just his headshot and put that up in the infobox. Does that meet everyone's approval? - JMAS 22:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Eh, I said it's "crap" because a) I don't like the CW animation style and b) it's far less detailed and realistic than the comics pictures. It certainly deserves to be in the article, but it's not nearly a good enough depiction to be his main shot when better alternatives exist. It would be like using this as the infobox shot for Jerec. Or basically, what JMAS just edit-conflicted with me to say. Havac 22:25, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think this new image is much better. And Quentin, don't lash out at me again. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, please. Don't be so melodramatic. 22:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I don't really mind what image is used, and I'm happy to go with that one. I'm at work now, so I'll do a "Talents and Powers" section when I get home. If anyone else has more they'd like added, please tell me. In terms of images, I think its probably ok how it is now. Less is more. QuentinGeorge 22:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Melodramatic? I'm not the one who lashed out at another user just because they suggested a new main image and tried to clean up an article. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:32, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * This page is not designed for user arguments. Cool it please. Atarumaster88  00:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Back on topic, I have (once again) cleaned up the article. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 00:42, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I've significantly changed the article, added more, added a abilities section, etc. Any more objections? 07:33, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Can people please strike objections that have been satisfied? Please? - QuentinGeorge 03:19, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * K'Kruhk remembered this and used the concept to help the Jedi evade pursuing Yinchorri starfighters. Can this be expanded? How did K'Kruhk do this?
 * found himself fighting for his life on Yibikkoror. Were they ambushed or what?
 * After their escape. How did they escape?
 * It was in this mission that his Master was killed, battling for her life on Yinchorr. More detail please. --Eyrezer 05:23, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Addressed. QuentinGeorge 05:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Can we get some more info on the mission to Teyr. Why were the losses so high? K'Kruhk's fault? outnumbered? Or is it only mentioned in passing?
 * Only mentioned in one comic frame, yet I've expanded it to the best of my ability. QuentinGeorge 10:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice extrapolation. --Eyrezer 23:45, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The last point I have, can the paragraph introducing the purge survival be made to flow more from the previous paragraph? --Eyrezer 03:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * How's that? QuentinGeorge 10:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Resolved --Eyrezer 06:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Nasty little [source?] tag in the powers and abilities section needs to go. Green Tentacle (Talk) 10:33, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Solid article, overall. Fix that unsourced statement in Powers section and I'd be glad to give my support. &mdash;Mir  len 

Comments Other than that, however, the article looks great. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 18:10, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Aware that it may be short. Would be willing to listen to expansion suggestions. QuentinGeorge 11:17, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Here are a couple suggestions that might be good. But overall, great article.
 * More on Giiett's "trick," and what caused K'Kruhk to remember it. - Taken care of
 * Name the other Jedi who finished K'Kruhk's training, if possible. If he or she's identity is never revealed, than ignore this. He's never named, we only know him because of the specific comment "my first master, implying a second one. QuentinGeorge 09:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Mention that Tholme did not, in fact die. It makes no sense for Aalya Secura to remember him as one of those who died, and then for him to assist the Republic's victory. - Taken care of
 * One unsourced statement in Powers and Traits. - Taken care of. QuentinGeorge 09:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Right, gimme a bit to address those. Might take a while, since I've been a bit lazy with RL lately. QuentinGeorge 05:30, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've taken care of all of that except for the dang whiphid hibernation thing. Now, can anyone find me Randy Stradley's original post? I can find many referencing it, but not the original. QuentinGeorge 21:04, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sourced that last thing about the hibernation trance Anything else, people? QuentinGeorge 21:18, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hobbes is on holiday, so I struck the objections I've covered. QuentinGeorge 09:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

(0 Inqs/4 Users/4 total)
Support


 * 1) Jediknight19bby 00:24, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) --Darthtyler (talk) (HSM RKY) 00:47, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Unit 8311 07:17, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) --The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 10:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * Rule 2: POV ("did a fine job"), Rule 1: Not well-written (needs cleanup- "emporor", "thusly" etc.), Rule 7: Needs longer intro, Rule 4: Remove sourcing from intro per Sourcing, Rule 11: Source article completely, especially part about 17 BBY, Rule 1 and 9: Not very detailed. This could easily be longer- no info on shield generator on the mooon and only a small paragraph on the Battle of Endor section. It could easily be longer and more detailed. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 13:34, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I added to the intro, I think it's at a pretty good length now. &pi; = 3  [[Image:Oldsith.png|40px]] (Talk to me, babe.) 18:58, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Definitely needs a longer intro, which should probably mention the IG-88 sillyness. -- Ozzel 01:10, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Intro should be longer. Battle of Endor section and how the Death Star II related to the GCW should be expanded. Chack Jadson 01:13, 26 June 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * How could you want it detailed more? Some parts are almost too detailed. The longer intro and removing the sourcing from the intro is complete. I'll work on sourcing it soon. Jediknight19bby 14:47, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You must not have seen some of my pet Featured Article projects. Only 1320 actual words of prose for such a major topic is severely lacking. I like detail. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 15:12, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

(0 Inqs/1 Users/1 total)
Support
 * 1) Bringbacknom!   20:08 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * Could use some expansion, and there are way too many quotes. Better sectioning is also needed. Darthchristian   ( Hey! ) 13:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The number of quotes is simply insane. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 19:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Per Darthchristian. Chack Jadson 19:52, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It also needs and Personality and Traits section. Darthchristian   ( Hey! ) 16:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * From the desk of Ataru
 * Intro: Favour-->favor
 * Intro, Para 1, Line 3, reword sentence about "for the failure of . . . "- doesn't read well
 * Intro, comma after However
 * Intro, Para 2: Faith in what?
 * Intro: Remove speculation about Qorealists
 * Intro: Add a comma after Thus or remove it.
 * Sectioning looks bad. Why is there a single subsection under each section?
 * 1.1: Reword: "It appears that Harrar . . ."- sounds OOU.
 * 1.1: Fix comma errors surrounding "However"
 * 1.2: Given command, not commands
 * 1.2: Reword "And it was there" to "where". Conciseness should be prized.
 * 1.2.1, comma after Falcon
 * 1.2.1, remove comma after dismally
 * 1.3, worshiped should be worshipped
 * 1.3, Para 2, Line 3, add comma after and
 * 1.3.1: Reword to "enough time to recover from the loss of Coruscant" or "enough time to recuperate" or similar
 * 1.3.1, Para 1, line 4, Remove comma after "and"
 * 1.3.1: Jumps from Borleias to Coruscant without explanation. Expand.
 * 1.4: Revealed is mispelled.
 * 1.4: Weasel words on Qorealist part
 * 1.4: comma after "At first"
 * 1.4, Para 1, add comma after However
 * 1.4, Para 3, remove commma after and
 * 1.4: Remove first "her" in "asked her of her discoveries"
 * 1.5: remove "had in fact"; doesn't read well
 * 1.5: reword to say "Harrar stated that learning of the possible connection between the ancient Yuuzhan Vong homeworld and Zonoma Sekot had shattered . . . "
 * 1.5: reword first sentence of 2nd Paragraph
 * 1.5, 2nd Para, add comma after There
 * 1.5.1: learnt-->learned
 * 1.5.1: decapitalize liberation
 * 1.5.1: "for they were the only way to save his people" is POV
 * Too many quotes
 * No P&T
 * I'm a bit rusty on NJO, but I'm sure he had a bigger role than this. Needs expansion.
 * Have a nice day.&mdash; Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 20:49, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Comments

Remove Nom (Inq only)
 * 1)  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 19:04, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Doesn't look like it's going anywhere. Green Tentacle (Talk) 13:38, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 19:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

(7 Inqs/6 Users/13 total)
Support
 * 1)  - breathesgelatin Talk 00:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 04:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Jediknight19bby 14:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Mir  len  16:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Great article. Darthchristian   ( Hey! ) 18:13, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Chack Jadson 00:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) (copied from old Inq page) It's just now getting nommed?  —Xwing328(Talk) 18:24, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Ozzel 04:38, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) Wonderful article. Jedi Master Fiolli 15:02, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) --Goodwood 23:16, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 11) Jorrel [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Fraajic 03:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 12)  Jaina Solo ( Talk ) [[Image:Jainasolosig.gif |25px]] 11:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 13)  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 20:53, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 14) Green Tentacle (Talk) 22:00, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 15) --Eyrezer 02:07, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * I'd like just a bit more detail from X-wing: Mandatory Retirement. IIRC, Winter doesn't just help plan the assault and extraction- she participates in it. I could be wrong, though. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 13:33, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll talk to Xwing328 about this. First, I don't have that comic (I'm waiting for Omnibus 3 to arrive, which it hasn't yet, from Amazon), and second, I'm in France and away from my comics. I'll contact Xwing because he wrote the original text and see if he's willing to help out.  - breathesgelatin Talk 11:32, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey! I just responded and will try to help out tonight, but I don't know how much more time I will have. *EDIT* That is, unless Ataru already did what he wanted. —Xwing328 (Talk) 03:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I took care of it. ;-) I figure that since I had the comics, I'd just go ahead and do the expansion. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 21:47, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Only had a quick glance but Image:Tychowinter6.jpg isn't sourced and can we lose the bullets in BtS? Green Tentacle (Talk) 11:13, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sourced the pic and fixed the Bts. —Xwing328 (Talk) 03:34, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the stuff from Rebel Dawn needs expanding. Specifically, it mentions her and Leia receiving training, how she once met Palpy and that she promised to try and persuade Bail Organa to sign Alderaan up for the Alliance. Also, shouldn't this come before the part about her being Targeter, since the Alliance doesn't exist at this point? Green Tentacle (Talk) 09:39, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Bah, this is an excellent point but another it's another book I don't have (and again I'm in France). Perhaps someone could help me out? Or does Rebel Dawn happen to be on the Russian site?  - breathesgelatin Talk 20:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I now have a copy of Rebel Dawn and I have expanded the section in question quite a bit, as well as reordered that section to put it into chronological order.  - breathesgelatin Talk 21:18, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This is a great article and I'm sure I'll be supporting it shortly. However, a couple of small things:
 * "Her time under the alias "Targeter" was cut short, however, when Imperial spies discovered and eliminated the Rebel cell on Averam." Was Winter stationed there? Can this be stated?
 * " Around 0.5 ABY, she was helping coordinate arms shipments on Drunost" Anymore information? There may not be.
 * "Also at Tycho Celchu left a memorial for his fiancée Nyiestra" There is something missing here.
 * "Winter provided assistance by using her perfect recall to provide Luke with a physical description and other pertinent information about C'Boath" Had Winter encountered C'Boath before?
 * In the paragraph on Ackbar's decline, care/caring are used twice in the same sentence and aiding twice in close proximity. Can this be reworded? --Eyrezer 06:35, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The next few comments will be my reply to Eyrezer. First, the Tycho memorial grammar is fixed.
 * Winter's time under the name Targeter and its use on Averam is discussed in The Last Command very explicitly. She discusses with Leia after being disturbed that Mara knew of "Targeter." As noted in the BTS, this seems to be somewhat in conflict with subsequent sources but without it that whole plotline in TLC wouldn't make sense. I can't cite pages now b/c I'm in France away from my books. It's probably something that deserves a retcon considering Mike Stackpole's X-Wing books and comics but doubt that will ever happen. I admit it's a questionable situation but I structured the article around the best information we have and tried to clarify in the BTS.
 * The arms shipment on Drunost was added by someone else from a brief mention in Allegiance, which I haven't finished. I do however have the book in France and will try to get through it ASAP to see if there's any more to add.
 * Eliminated some of the wordiness in the Ackbar section. See what you think.
 * I'd have to check the books (again, I'm in a double bind being abroad), but I believe she not see C'Boath in person, but had seen holovids of him. It's explicitly discusses when she is talking to Luke abou C'Boath in Dark force Rising.  - breathesgelatin Talk 20:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I am about 2/3 of the way through Allegiance now. I don't think much more can be added on Winter except the blurb about Drunost, but I am going to add some clarification and a bit of expansion to the article regarding her role in that regard. Furthermore, on the "Targeter" issue, I have slightly altered the wording in the "Early Missions" section to clarify the point... It's still confusing but I don't know how to fix it since sources conflict....  - breathesgelatin Talk 21:18, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Source the birthdate. QuentinGeorge 07:07, 16 July 2007 (UTC) (Strike all subsequent objections based on this too)
 * That's actually been there forever and I don't know what the source is, unless it's Star Wars chronicles or something. Or possibly... I should check the source books. Let me get back to you on that one.  - breathesgelatin Talk 20:37, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * IIRC, the Chronicles books says that Sheltay has "recently returned from maternity leave" when she's serving Bail in ROTS. Now, I'm not sure how long she took for maternity leave. It could have been anywhere from six months to 2 years. QuentinGeorge 21:09, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Winter's age is stated as being 28 in her stat block in the Dark Force Rising Sourcebook, the same as Leia; though, since they now disregard Pellaeon's age of "70+" from that same book, take it or leave it with a grain of salt. jSarek 10:32, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Per Rebel Dawn, Chapter 2, "Winter smiled. "I'm a year and a few months older than the princess. I just turned seventeen. That's the age of responsibility on Alderaan."
 * I think it could use a brief mention of Tycho's capture by the Imps just to explain why Corran would distrust him. Green Tentacle (Talk) 15:42, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I have added this.  - breathesgelatin Talk 21:18, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hate to be a pain, but doesn't the Rebel Dawn novel date from a period when the EU assumption for Leia's birthyear was 18 BBY? When is the book set? If it's set in 3 BBY, then Winter would be born in 20 BBY (and perhaps mistaken about Leia's birthdate). QuentinGeorge 03:15, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I see the relevance of an OOU assumption. If Winter stated IU that she was a year older, I don't see how she could also have an OOU assumption. --Eyrezer 03:20, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's how. Rebel Dawn is set 2 BBY. If Winter claims to have "just turned 17", then she was born 19 BBY, which is the same year as Leia, not a year and a few months before hand. Winter is either 17 in 2 BBY, or "a year and a few months before Leia" (20 or 21 BBY). She can't be born in both year. So, keeping in mind such a contradiction (which, as I've stated, comes from EU assumptions about Leia's age in ANH), we have to decide whether Winter is stating her age accurately, but not its relation to Leia's age, or states the difference of the ages correctly and gets her own age wrong (or rounds up, or exaggerates, or lies, etc). Either way, the age issue needs an extensive footnote itself. QuentinGeorge 04:38, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see the light. Not sure how to fix but a footnote will have to do I guess. --Eyrezer 04:47, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've added a footnote. Would people like to look it over, critique, change etc, particularly those more knowledgeable than me on this particular character? My main inclination is that there are more sources that point to Winter being born a few months prior to Leia, and that perhaps Winter simply doesn't know Leia's exact age. QuentinGeorge 06:34, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * From the desk of Ataru
 * 1.2.1- "meting"-->"meeting"
 * 1.2.1, Para 2, shouldn't there be a comma before the "but" in line 2
 * 1.2.1, Para 2, First line of the sentence doesn't read well, especially the first part.
 * 1.2.1, Para 3, I'm pretty sure there's a comma error or two in the second sentence.
 * 1.2.2, Para 1, capitalize "rebel"- it's a faction name, not a general adjective.
 * 1.2.2, Para 1, needs a comma after "Soon thereafter"
 * 1.2.2, Could use some more explanation of why the city/moff came under attack.
 * Don't have the source for that.
 * 1.2.3, Para 1, needs a comma after the "Together"
 * 1.2.3, Para 1, "took chase" doesn't sound right- reword, please.
 * 1.2.3, Para 1, "failing"-->"failed"
 * 1.3, Para 1, remove comma after Dlarit.
 * 1.3, Para 3, remove comma after imprisoned
 * 1.3, Para 4, first few sentences don't read well. Let's have the part about the Rogue's resignations go first to lay the foundation for what Winter did.
 * 1.3, Para 4, in some senses-->, in some senses, a
 * 1.3, Para 4, move the comma to after the "and"
 * Where?
 * 1.3, Para 4, needs more context for return to the New Republic.
 * Couldn't find the book in my collection.
 * 1.4, Para 1: Factual correction: Han and Leia weren't threatened by assassination. Noghri kidnapping of Leia and her unborn twins was the danger. Nowhere did Thrawn ever order their deaths.
 * 1.4 Para 5, remove comma after children
 * 1.4 Para 6, "was likely to be the site" could be reworded to read better
 * 1.5- could use some explanation of who Terpfen was. You could just make it "Ackbar's brainwashed aide" or something similar.
 * 1.6- seeing "old age" twice in the same sentence says poor diction to me.
 * P&T- "many" commented on her namesake? I thought it was just Tycho. I could be wrong here though.
 * P&T- end of first paragraph is not fully referenced.
 * Same as before.
 * Before what? Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 21:44, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Reason as before. Darthchristian   ( Hey! ) 21:48, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Again, I'm in France, but if you want to source that (her being a composed and rational nanny), I believe you can do it from the Jedi Academy trilogy or possibly the Jedi Academy sourcebook.  - breathesgelatin Talk 08:36, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating Day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:38, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed everything but the ones I noted. Darthchristian   ( Hey! ) 21:31, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * I have worked on this extensively with the assistance of a few other users. It is sourced and contains every reference to Winter that I know of, although I have not finished Sacrifice to see if she is mentioned in there.  - breathesgelatin Talk 00:03, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks good, Breathes. Nice job.  Greyman ( Paratus ) 04:48, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice article. I'd like to see a bit more inline citations in the Personality and traits section, but that's just a personal preference. &mdash;Mir  len  16:28, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * A question: If Leia and Winter are both adopted, why don't they both hold the title "Princess"? Is this due to Leia being believed to be a biological child? If possible, I think a note on this in the first paragraph would be useful. --Eyrezer 05:40, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * This seems to be a rational explanation, but I've never seen any mention of it in EU, so I would not feel comfortable putting it in the article.  - breathesgelatin Talk 20:49, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I added a footnote which I hope will be acceptable. --Eyrezer 00:25, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Was it confirmed anywhere that she was actually *adopted* by the Organas? I was always under the impression she just grew up in the Organa household (much as Neena did), which would also be why sources call her things like "Leia's close friend and confidant," rather than "Leia's adoptive sister". jSarek 10:32, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Breathesgelatin will have to answer that q. --Eyrezer 00:06, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You know? Honestly that isn't 100% clear to me. The word "adoption" is sometimes used and sometimes not. For example I'm just reading Rebel Dawn and Winter doesn't mention adoption. If she is adopted, it could be in a loose, non-legal kind of sense. And who knows what Alderaanian traditions surrounding adoption are? It's clear, at least, that Leia was presented as the Organas' biological child and that Winter wasn't. But whether that equals Winter not being a princess or not I don't know. Again I think there's just not enough explicit sources to tell.  - breathesgelatin Talk 21:18, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * IIRC, it was Star Wars Chronicles: The Prequels which introduced the Winter adopted by the Organas tidbit. I don't have the book, so I don't know in what terms its stated. QuentinGeorge 04:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way everyone, I submitted three questions to Leland Chee at the official site boards regarding Winter's birthdate, adoption status, and her use of the name "Targeter": Click here for link. Hopefully he'll reply and we'll get some sort of definitive answer. Right now I think the footnote solution is the best we can come up with.  - breathesgelatin Talk 10:28, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

(4 Inqs/3 Users/7 Total)
Support
 * 1) Nominated. This article was stripped of its FA status a while ago. Chack Jadson 21:00, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2)  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 13:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 16:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Green Tentacle (Talk) 17:48, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 5)  Jaina Solo ( Talk ) [[Image:Jainasolosig.gif |25px]] 18:10, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Great article. [[Image:The Death of Ki-Adi-Mundi.jpg|40px]]  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers! ) 18:57, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Love it Dark Lord Xander 06:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) I really hate to have to do this but since I read it a few days ago there's an edit war brewing over whether Revan's holocron should be listed as one of Bane's masters (it clearly shouldn't) and over his eye colour. There's also now a [source?] tag in the behind the scenes section and somebody's messed up one of the references so that it no longer has a name listed. Until those issues are resolved I have to object. Green Tentacle (Talk) 15:32, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) *Actually, forget the reference bit, Greyman's fixed it. Green Tentacle (Talk) 15:33, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Per GT. This is a really annoying thing to have going on, but until the edit conflict is resolved, I unfortunately have to withdraw my support as well.  Greyman ( Paratus ) 15:36, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) I can't support this while muppets keep adding Revan in the "master" field and "yellow" in eye colour. QuentinGeorge 21:14, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) You might need to clarify the bit about Lucas creating the character a bit more since it would appear that not everybody's happy with it. Green Tentacle (Talk) 09:12, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) *Found a source. Green Tentacle (Talk) 12:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the duel with Kas'im should be included, including his trick with 2 lightsabers that he'd concealed from Bane.
 * The bit about Rain finding her own way off Ruusan, is that actually in JvS as referenced?
 * It's from the Dark Forces Saga and New Essential Chronology - it, however, is referenced incorrectly in the article. QuentinGeorge 22:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Some of the P&T doesn't seem very well strung together. There is also some overlap that should be avoided.
 * "Bane was independent, defying Qordis, and heading to Lehon instead of joining Kaan's army. After Lehon, Bane became confident in his supremely talented self. He manipulated others for his own purposes, not telling Githany or Kas'im about the private lessons he was taking with them" - the order of this needs to be reversed. It is as though going to Lehon led to the manipulation but the timing was the other way around.
 * The BTS on his origins should be expanded, making more mention of his specific appearances and how that developed.
 * Also the article makes no mention of the conflicts between JvS and POD. Surely this needs to go in the BTS at least. --Eyrezer 01:15, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, add in a in-depth continuity section, as there is many continuity differences between Bane's first mention in TPM novel, his appearances in Bane of the Sith and JvS, and then in PoD. He's a walking continuity nightmare, and Karpyshyn's disdain for canon hasn't helped. As it stands, it seems to heap all the blame on BotS and give the impression the others are saintly and without taint. QuentinGeorge 22:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Some of the references are wrong, (notably the elements from NEC are incorrectly labelled as Bane of the Sith) and there is a persistent troll intent on proving to all us misguided folks that Bane of the Sith is "noncanon". (It isn't, and said troll has been told as much many times before). QuentinGeorge 22:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Right, now said troll's essay has been added to the article. It needs to be removed, or at the very least, heavily trimmed. At the moment it is a painfully fanboyish harangue against KJA and Bane of the Sith in particular. I have no qualms on an actual "continuity curiousities" section, but it needs to be a) sourced b) free of POV and agenda pushing and C) Map ALL the continuity of Bane and the Ruusan-era Sith, starting from Bane's Lucas conception, through his depiction in the TPM novel, THEN the concurrent release of JvS and BotS, then the depiction of Kaan et al in the Dark Forces flashback, THEN the depiction in PoD. As it currently stands, the section reads like some sort of diatribe on why BotS is horrible and non-canon and KJA a hack because of "contradictions" with later source material. I am not in any sense of form a big fan of KJA, but this sort of agenda-pushing leaves me cold. QuentinGeorge 06:35, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Commments
 * Nice job on clearing up the points I left for you, Chack. Greyman ( Paratus ) 16:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sourced the in Bts. Chack Jadson 11:09, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey everyone, this conflict has been fixed. Chack Jadson 11:48, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm abstaining my vote because I haven't finished Path of Destruction yet and I don't want to be spoiled.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 19:55, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

(2 Inqs/1 User/3 Total)
Support
 * 1) As nominater. This was previously featured some time ago. Chack Jadson 20:10, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2)  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 20:10, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 22:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Object Comments
 * Better source for this, please. Green Tentacle (Talk) 13:03, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * While we're at it the 12th reference doesn't have a name and, if it's from ICS, shouldn't that be under sources too? Green Tentacle (Talk) 13:07, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * From the desk of Atarumaster88
 * Needs more images, particularly at the bottom
 * Current images don't follow standard left-right-left-right layout
 * Perhaps it's a conflicting timeline thing, but how can Anakin and Obi-Wan be both on Nelvaan and Tythe at the same time? The two paragraphs that discuss the detail don't make it clear what's going on.
 * BTS still looks kind of thin as far as conflicting elements- the Nelvaan/Tythe thing needs to go there if it's another error, etc. I noticed a SW.com thread on the issue, so maybe that could be consulted.
 * Still did not see information from ROTS game (Invisible Hand) that was listed on Inq page.
 * Appearance list and reference list don't match up- what is Evil Eye/Evil Eyes and why is it listed incorrectly on the reference list if they are the same work?
 * As much as I hate to say this, is it policy to reference the infobox? Because that would need to be done if so.
 * No information from two non-canon soruces is included.
 * Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating Day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 20:59, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The reason no info from the non-canon sources is included is that they don't really differ from the movie, to the best of my knowledge. You fly around, destroy ships, and kill Dooku. Nothing that's not already covered.  Chack Jadson  Talk 22:15, 3 August 2007 (UTC)


 * What source calls this battle the second Battle of Coruscant? The official site just calls it Battle of Coruscant,  the NEC doesn't have any in-universe name for this event, Google only finds Wookieepedia and fansites. --Craven 01:16, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I think it's based on the fact that there was a Battle of Coruscant before this one. As for IU name, I'm not sure if it's ever called the Second Battle.  Chack Jadson  Talk 04:54, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

(0 Inq/1 User/1 Total)
Support
 * 1) I've worked long on this article, and I think it is worthy. Any comments/criticism would be helpful.&mdash; Darthtyler Talk 01:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Object
 * '''From the desk of Atarumaster88
 * Remove speculation on origin/parents' history
 * Not enough explanation of sunnydew nectar. Doesn't make much sense.
 * Wicket and Teebo incident section doesn't make much sense. There's irrelevant information that could be condensed, but it doesn't explain why they need to bother Gantu.
 * Wicket and Teebo's escape section doesn't make much sense either. It's written more like part of Teebo's bio, not Gantu's. The action is centered around the deeds of the Ewoks, not the subject (Gantu). Still don't get the whole sunnydew/Zandor Rocker thing.
 * P&T is rather short.
 * Is "Sunnydew nectar" a) supposed to be capitalized b) need to be linked three or four times?
 * Always hard to tell with comics, by my feeling is: no. I fixed the case, and it seems the links have already been fixed. -- Ozzel
 * Remove referencing from intro, per Sourcing.
 * Intro just doesn't read well, particularly the second paragraph.
 * Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:37, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, are you being sarcastic? (that last line about the super happy un frustrating part.)&mdash; Darthtyler Talk 16:39, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Not that it matters, but no, I'm not being sarcastic. I don't want people to think it's personal and that I'm picking on them- I do this to everyone. The exact phrasing was inspired by Darth Culator. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well that makes sense too, I guess.&mdash; Darthtyler Talk 16:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Remove bullets from behind the scenes, the Lilo and Stitch bit has nothing to do with anything, fix the source on Image:Coruscanti ogre vs Divto.jpg, referencing should be per paragraph or maybe removed entirely since it's single source, which also means you don't need the first appearance bit. Green Tentacle (Talk) 17:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Done.&mdash; Darthtyler Talk 17:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * I'd like to see the intro be fleshed out. I don't think it's long enough for the Main Page yet. -- Ozzel 08:07, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I tweaked it a little bit, but I agree. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 13:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

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Support
 * 1) --Eyrezer 15:01, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Green Tentacle (Talk) 11:08, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)  Chack Jadson  Talk  19:44, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Object Comments
 * The distribution of the decided-upon name for the species in the article is needed. Otherwise, I like it. -  Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 04:40, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I changed about half of them to Lepus Carnivorus. Too many more and it would become awkward. --Eyrezer 07:55, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * One minor thing. In behind the scenes "featured a rabbit trying to the fruit-flavored food" seems to be missing a word or two. Green Tentacle (Talk) 09:46, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * my mind boggles, but it is now fixed. --Eyrezer 11:04, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * If someone could scan the new ALTA version of this pic that would be great. --Eyrezer 04:52, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. -- Ozzel 21:12, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

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Support
 * 1) As nominator. Single-source article.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 16:39, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 14:06, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

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Comments
 * One thing I still need to do is try and get an infobox working. There's not a lot of specific info (names, dates, etc.) but I'm gonna give it a shot.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 16:39, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It turns out the NRSS is mentioned in a couple Adventure Journals. But it's not just a Mentioned Only, so I gotta throw in REF tags all over the place. There's also just a teensy amount of content left to include from GG8.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 21:38, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I hate to say it, but it's got five redlinks.  Chack Jadson  Talk 01:38, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No, by all means, say it. I've cut it down to two and those last two won't be sticking around much longer either.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 02:06, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Needs a longer intro. Green Tentacle (Talk) 11:58, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I presume it is also mentioned in the Scout's Dispatch in SWAJ 6? If possible, I think detailing some of Koren's exploits as an example would be beneficial to the aritcle. --Eyrezer 09:23, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I added a "Notable members" section. Is that kind of what you had in mind?  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 13:27, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I moved a sentence from the intro to Creation since I think it was needed there more. Move it back if you want, but I think the Creation section starts a little abruptly without it. Green Tentacle (Talk) 09:27, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Header refs make me sad. :-( -- Ozzel 20:33, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Me too Ozzel, but that's what I was told to do. If there's a better way, I am happy to listen.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 20:49, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

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Support
 * 1) Green Tentacle (Talk) 20:59, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Eyrezer 23:08, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:00, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 21:22, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5)  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 19:52, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Fine work. -- Ozzel 20:28, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Object
 * Can we get a scan of his face that will fit a 250px infobox? --Eyrezer 08:29, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It needs a sentence at the start of Power Play explaining that he is free again or somehow avoided imprisonment from the authorities. Otherwise it jumps too much. Also this cropped pic could be replaced by the full pic now that its not in the infobox. --Eyrezer 09:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Done and done. And I mean done! Green Tentacle (Talk) 11:37, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * From the desk of Atarumaster88
 * End of 1.4- who is "he"- is it Sise or Tig?
 * That's all from me on this one- Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 13:50, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

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Support
 * 1) [[Image:The Death of Ki-Adi-Mundi.jpg|40px]]  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers! ) 19:30, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Referencing is practically non-existent [[Image:AckbarSig.jpg|20px]]  TheOne&OnlyAdmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 19:32, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Per Ackbar.  Chack Jadson  Talk 19:34, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Less than 1000 words, not sourced. Green Tentacle (Talk) 19:37, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Following rules 1, 9, 11, & 12 would be a good start. -- Ozzel 20:10, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

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Support
 * 1) I've sQUEEzed the NJO books for information and pictures. I think it's quality work now.  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 04:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 04:21, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Master Aban Fiolli (Alpheridies University ComNet) [[Image:NewRepublic.png|25px]] 13:36, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Green Tentacle (Talk) 16:12, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 21:22, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Some minor grammatical inconsistencies; could use some minor prose revision. --Goodwood 19:38, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * I make no apologies for the horrible pun. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 04:15, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Nauseating pun, Ataru. Simply nauseating. -  Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 04:22, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm speechless. I am without speech. -- Ozzel 04:43, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I like the article, but I see a few sentences that are "run-on" style . If I really think it needs to be changed, I might. Otherwise, it will get my vote. (See above.) Oh, Ataru, terrible pun; though I would have been tempted too. Master Aban Fiolli (Alpheridies University ComNet) [[Image:NewRepublic.png|25px]] 13:36, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've split up some of the run-on sentences. How does it look now? Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:09, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Much nicer. Great work. I went through extensively and worked on everything up to the Personality section. There were a few embedded spelling errors that needed correction as well. Those should be fixed. Anyone want to take a crack at the Personality and Relationships section next? I'm not sure I'm going to have time to get to it today. Master Aban Fiolli (Alpheridies University ComNet) [[Image:NewRepublic.png|25px]] 15:40, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

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Support
 * 1) -- [[Image:AckbarSig.jpg|40px]] dmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 13:03, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) My vote, it has. [[Image:The Death of Ki-Adi-Mundi.jpg|40px]]  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers! ) 20:34, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 23:30, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Good work, Acky. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 23:32, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Good stuff Maynard--Goodwood 19:37, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * From the desk of Atarumaster88
 * Long lead quote header could be condensed some.
 * done
 * (1) What is "reasonably standard rate"?
 * fixed
 * (2) "Throughout their history" is repeated twice in a row. Needs reworded.
 * fixed
 * (2) An intelligent, ambitious species that is easily duped? Doesn't really make sense- that should be clarified if the info exists.
 * clarified
 * (3) "to the objections"- doesn't make sense- think there's a typo there.
 * clarified
 * (4) What does the distance from their caves have to do with their predication towards criminality?
 * From NEGAS: "It is thought that Eloms who leave their home planet develop sociopathic tendencies as a result of physiological changes brought on by being away from fellow Eloms, and from their cave habitats." I clarified it, anyway.
 * (4) Whole first para doesn't belong there and is quasi-contradictory
 * Using Tunroth as a tempate, Elom in the Galaxy should have one paragraph about Eloms generally around the Galaxy, and then go on to specific Eloms. I'll try and clarify the quasi-contradictory bits. Done
 * (4) Elom in the Galaxy should be expanded.
 * I've expanded as much as I possibly can, but there are only 3 named Eloms, each of which have very little info available on them.
 * (Appearances) Needs a 1st somewhere.
 * done
 * Information from most appearances is not referenced, indicating it might not be there. Possibly some Mo are missing.
 * All the comic appearances are just background characters. Same with Ep VI. X-wing book has a brief appearance.
 * Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 21:45, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

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