Talk:Death Star/Legends

Lets split these articles up into two DS I, and DS II, whoese with me? --Kosure 04:16, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC) Me!--Rossdaboss99 11:40, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You're really late. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 11:54, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Category
Category: Capital Ship? Is that an appropriate designation? Yes, it's capable of moving under its own power, but I've always heard it referred to as a mobile battle station, not a capital ship.
 * Agree, its a bit outside that class.
 * Not a capital ship, but a space station superweapon. -- Riffsyphon1024 13:36, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Since all spacestations are essentially spaceships travelling in a fixed orbit, it might not make much difference to have it in a separate paragraph. VT-16 17:14, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Star Wars: Battlefront's Story line has proven to be canon and it states that escape pods from the Death Star landed on Yavin 4.
 * What are you talking about? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 01:07, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Deaths Aboard the Death Star
How is the Deaths Aboard the Death Star section pointless?

If someone wants to know who died aboard the Death Star, they can check it out right there.

Jack: I think its very rude of you to just completly delete that without even putting a talk here first to see if it should be deleted or not.
 * I can tell you who died aboard the Death Star: everyone. And even if it should stay (which it shouldn't) it would need to be in the Death Star I page, not this one. MarcK 14:00, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Plus, it's pointless because if they wanted to find out who died aboard a Death Star, they could look it up on that character's page. And see, even others know it shouldn't be here. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 14:03, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Eh, not everyone. http://www.theforce.net/swtc/bast.html Most did die, but not everyone -SWF
 * Actually, Chief Bast is like the Schr&ouml;dinger's cat of the Imperial Navy. As Leland Chee has explained, he is not definitively dead, but his survival is also uncertain until someone mentions him in a future work. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  23:16, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Third Death Star
I think this article should make notice of the supposed third death star, as seen in Star Tours. Adamwankenobi 14:10, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, that page itself is in pretty bad article condition, and I think the "third" Death Star was really the prototype Death Star. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 14:13, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)

DS mk 1 vs. planetary shields
Is it a bit of exaggeration to say that the DS could easily punch through the most powerful shields? Is this speculation or actually sourced from somewhere? --Maru (talk) Contribs 23:43, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It's shown in Episode IV when the superlaser blasts through the planetary shield of Alderaan. I assume that's what you're talking about, right? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:06, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The shielding effect was visible in Episode IV, and was actually redone to be better defined in the SE. The Episode IV novelization has Vader saying "The defense systems on Alderaan, despite the Senator's protestations to the contrary, were as strong as any in the Empire. I should conclude that our demonstration was as impressive as it was thorough." I take that to mean the shields, since it is commonly accepted that they did away with weaponry. I think this indicates the "most powerful shields" statement is not hyperbole. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  00:42, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * So, to sum it all up, the Death Star's superlaser could easily punch through any planetary shield. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 01:56, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh. I didn't know about the shielding (foolish me, I took Leia's protestations of Alderaan's defenselessness and peaceability at face value). Never mind then... --Maru (talk) Contribs 03:18, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Don't worry about it. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:38, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * "She's a politician, and they're not to be trusted." -- Obi-Wan Kenobi. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  21:00, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Excellent point. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 22:47, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Protection
This page has been protected due to an ongoing diameter edit war. Please settle the issue here. - Sikon [ Talk ] 14:23, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Here, I'll settle it: Anon, you're wrong. There, it's done. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:59, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Ummm...
The planes Poggle the lesser had were for the Geonosian Great Weapon, which was part way built but destroyed in 19 B.B.Y. Sidious had another engineer revise them for the construction of DSI.
 * No, the Ultimate Weapon was never built. Those plans were revised into the Death Star plans. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 23:05, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeap, remember that the final plans that were polished, finished, and actually used for the construction were made primarily by Bevel Lemelisk and Qwi Xux from Maw Installation. The Geonosian design, from what I understand of it, was a very basic design and not as big or powerful as the Death Star. And of course the original idea was Raith Sienar's. But really the Death Star that was actually constructed was the brain child of Maw Installation and it's staff.--Kyp-Durron 18:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)Kyp-Durron
 * It's like this: Raith Sienar comes up with the plans, the Geonosians try to work on them (under the name of the Ultimate Weapon), the Death Star I begins construction, Lemelisk and Xux do some more modifications, the Death Star prototype is contructed, the Death Star I's faults are fixed, the Death Star I is completed and later destroyed, and the Death Star II begins contruction and is later destroyed. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:30, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Death Star plans vs history section
Now that we have a separate article about the plans, some portion of it should be truncated or moved to that article. MoffRebus 23:51, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Only copied and moved, not cut and moved. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 00:11, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Necessary?
"In Star Wars: Battlefront II, a battle in the Death Star can be played in the Clone Wars-era in Instant Action only." Due to this, it was not an actual battle at all." Is this really necessary to have in Behind the Scenes?--Darth Oblivion 02:29, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah. That way, we don't get any fanon-related nonsense on it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:54, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Aah. I see.--Darth Oblivion 22:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course, it probably won't stop it altogether, but still. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 23:55, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually in Battlefront II you can play both eras, and Battlefront is fanon exept the storyline so it has no place in a canon article. Derek Yoda&#39;s friend 02:13, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No, everything in Battlefront II except for its storyline is non-canon. There's a difference between that and fanon. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 11:21, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Broken "math" in main article
Noticed the maths functions appear to be broken. Added the attention template because I am unfamiliar with the mathy stuff. If this is a temporary problem then it'll probably fix it self anyway. --beeurd 01:15, 5 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I noticed that too, but I have no clue how to fix it.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Sith_Emblem.svg|20px]] 01:18, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I've removed them for the time being. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:35, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyone know if it works now? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 01:27, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Rebellion
The article says the Death Star appears in a flashback in Star Wars: Rebellion. I looked through the series, and I can't find it. -LtNOWIS 21:14, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe it's after Tank has "defected" to the Rebs. He and Luke start chatting, Luke bringing up the Trench Run. We see a bit of the battle in flashback form, IIRC - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You're right about the Trench Run flashback (it shows Biggs Darklighter being killed by Vader) but the timing is a little off. I'm pretty sure it's before Tank's fake defection. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was thinking of the talk where Tank wonders if Luke ever considered the innocent lives he destroyed by blowing up the DS, in #4. No flashback. - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry to go off-topic, but I was just thinking about that. Luke becomes a hero, but in order to become one, thousands of innocent lives have to end at his hands&mdash;or, rather, proton torpedo. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I see it now, thanks. -LtNOWIS 21:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You're welcomed. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Time
It took the Imperials 19 or 20 years to make the first death star. Why did it only take 4 years to ALMOST complete the second one? 67.72.98.117 18:08, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * They had more experience and knew exactly what they were doing when they built the second one. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 18:14, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Plus, one reason the first one took 19 years is because they had problems with the superlaser. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:10, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Planets of Construction
Is it known which planets had construction projects going on to contribute to the Death Stars? Wookiee Jedi 01:06, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes. As for what planets were for which Death Star, you'll have to read the "History" sections of Death Star I and Death Star II. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 01:07, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Similar to SW.com entry
Certain paragraphs are nearly identical to the starwars.com Databank entry for the Death Star:



Wouldn't it be better if it was more original rather than just a copy of what's on the official site? Captain Yossarian 17:07, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, most likely. I'm adding a template. 17:09, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * If I could find one... 21:53, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I wonder who copied it here. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Jorrel: Would the copyright violation one work? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I think so, but it seems a little harsh for just a copy-paste on one paragraph... unless it's throughout the entire thing, that is. 21:58, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:00, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You know, we really need an Infobox proposal section on the Infobox area. I can think of three good reasons of the top of my head. 22:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Mini Death Stars over Coruscant
I read something about them somewhere....are they canon? Should they be included? Lalala la 01:03, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Those would be the habitation spheres. And although not actual Death Stars, we could definitely use a mention. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 01:35, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, the reason they resemble Death Stars is becuase they are from artwork for early drafts of ROTJ where two Death Stars were being constructed. Adenn 05:55, 15 March 2007 (UTC)

Drydock image
Given the presence of an Executor-class Star Dreadnought, can't the image be safely presumed to be of the second Death Star? After all, no Executor-class ships were built until after the first Death Star's destruction. Red XIV 21:48, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The planetary objects don't appear to correlate to Endor or its moons, but I might be wrong. Wasn't part of the DSII sent from another system to the Endor system? Might be from before that transfer. VT-16 13:41, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Present Tense
I saw that the inquisition requested a shift in tenses. I'm a little uncomfortable with a few of the places were I changed to the present tense, and I'm bound to have missed some places. So if someone should probably look that over... And I found it fitting to keep the History section in the past tense. If anyone has a beef with what I did, feel free to change it. Reben Tai
 * Sorry, what the Inquisitorius really meant was that the present tense needed to be removed entirely from the in-universe sections. -- http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/e5/ATATatarismall.png 20:45, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

DS timeline by Leland Chee
Just so you are aware, there are some discrepencies in this article that need to be taken care of. I've highlighted some of the points here:

~ -21: Darth Sidious orders Geonosians to begin construction [Revenge of the Sith Visual Dictionary] -19: Clone Wars end after the Confederacy leaders are killed on Mustafar. [Revenge of the Sith] -19: Separatist holdings are turned over to the Empire. [Revenge of the Sith] -19: Palpatine, Tarkin, and Vader oversee construction for the Empire [Revenge of the Sith] 4.3: Death Star III? [Walt Disney Star Tours attraction]

Basically, it seems construction on the DS began during the CW, at the hands of the CIS. At the end of the Wars, following the death of the CIS council, all holdings, including this unfinished frame, was transferred to the Empire and they continued construction. This is consistent with the CIS council discussing a drawn-out war until their secret weapon is completed, which was projected to take "years" (according to Reversal of Fortune). And then there's the "Death Star III". Better make an article with conjecture in the title for now. VT-16 13:41, 17 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Therefore, "Ultimate Weapon" may need to be redirected into "Death Star I" after all. Not something I like, but if it needs to be done, I'll support it. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:13, 17 July 2007 (UTC)

Tion, Bail, Leia quote
The link for "Tion" leads to the planet Tion, not to an individual Lalala la 22:44, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That's easy enough to fix. Just replace Tion with Tion (which I just did). -- Ozzel 22:52, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Eh, I really wasn't sure which one it was so yeah Lalala la 23:18, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Why???
Why did they build it anyway I mean they used the superlaser on Super Star Destroyer. The only reason I can think of is just a massive spacestation, but wouldn't make sense to have multiple instead of trusting just. If it was destroyed (which it was and they rebuilt it) you would lose gaigantic amount of ships/soilders and just all around value. Darth Nezzera ( In umbris potestas est ) 14:36, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Star Wars: Battlefront II vs. Death Star
The new book Death Star strongly implies at one point that the events of Battlefront II are NOT, in fact, canon. Over the course of a page or two the riot attempt is described, and various factors from the game (such as the presence of the 501st and Jedi) are outright mocked. Should this have an impact on the various articles that make direct reference to Battlefront II as canon?Chrisstansfield 13:39, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Not really, since the characters dismissal of the event as a rumour is due to their own beliefs, not because any of them were present and know it didn't happen. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 16:43, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, sure, if one wants to be ultra-pedantic, it doesn't outright disprove anything. But anyone who understands anything about writing or subtext can figure out that if the intention was to be vague, the subject wouldn't have been mentioned at all. The only reason the passage was included was to dispute the events. Moreover, the presence of the 501st either was or was not fact. They would not have been flown up briefly to deal with a riot, unbeknownst to all the other residents aboard, and then flown off again. They either were there or weren't- and the tone of the conversation is clear- they weren't fixtures aboard the Death Star. 216.194.21.184 05:53, 14 November 2007 (UTC)

Small Moon
I thought the Death Star II was supposed to be as large as a small moon, yet in ROTJ it is orbiting the Endor moon. Telos 21:54, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The Forest Moon of Endor isn't a small moon; it's a giant moon, nearly 1.5 times the diameter of Earth's. jSarek 00:59, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Move to Expeditionary Battle Planetoid Development Initiative?
According to this page, Expeditionary Battle Planetoid Development Initiative was the official name of the Death Star initiative - which, if I gather correctly from reading the article, is what the topic is (I could be wrong). Should it be moved to that title? JorrelFraajic  08:36, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. It's known as the "Death Star" in every other source it's mentioned in. Admiral Derek 16:13, 1 March 2008 (UTC)