User talk:Goodwood


 * Heh, thanks a lot Grae! You have a good Life Day too! :-D Goodwood  [[Image:Rebsymbol2.png|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 18:38, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Help!
Hey, lmao at the milk quote and the Mission Vao 18 related boxes! Love 'em! hey, could you please tell me how to do them boxes, 'cos I really have no idea! thanks!

--Darth tom 19:59, 5 January 2008 (UTC) User talk:Darth tom
 * Heh, thanks mate. All you have to do is click the edit tab for my userpage and then copy out the source code for each userbox (they're the bits of code that come between { { and } } like for template tags - be sure to include the brackets though and don't save anything). Then just paste them into your user page. If you need any other help I can attempt to add them to your userpage myself, though that kind of thing is frowned upon here.-- Goodwood [[Image:Rebsymbol2.png|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 22:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks!
Thnak you! As you can see, I have managed to include these in my userpage, and your custom 'Mission Vao' etc. ones were invaluable in helping me to make my own custom ones. You might want to take a look..... some of them are your style!

Shoto
Oh, um...actually I was saying that short lightsabers and shotos might not be the same thing. Short lightsaber being lightsabers with shorter hilts while shotos being lightsabers with very short blades...

But I think the revise was good. Though actually another user asked me to find some sources that prove whether short lightsabers and shotos are the same thing. Thanks, still. Cyfiero 04:51, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Eh, glad you liked the revision. Ultimately I want to improve that article further; despite the fact there doesn't seem to be a canon source that defines shotos and short lightsabers as being the same thing, there isn't anything that contradicts it. Therefore it's probably a safe assumption to make. I'll ask around, however, and try to get confirmation.-- Goodwood [[Image:Rebsymbol2.png|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 21:53, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, an observation from another Wookieepedian was that the short lightsabers, which were named in KotOR and KotOR II, were 25% shorter than the regular lightsaber in terms of blade and hilt. But I think I agree with you that shotos are the evolution of short lightsabers. So I guess they are basically the same thing. However, would that mean we would have to revise the article a little bit to mention that the Jedi Civil War era used short lightsabers, an earlier type of shotos, that were approx. 25% shorter at the blade and hilt than regular lightsabers? Thanks for your help btw. Cyfiero 05:30, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Insofar as your idea, it would probably be a mistake to include it in the article itself. While such a logical deduction may seem appropriate in the terms of a debate, in an encyclopedic article it would seem to be too far on the speculative side given the lack of corroborative canon works (in other words, it could be seen as OR).-- Goodwood [[Image:Rebsymbol2.png|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 22:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

May peace reign
Hey, I certainly meant no personal disrespect by any of that. As I said, I respect you, and, along with Graestan, consider you one of the users around here who I "know" best, even though we've really had little interaction in my short time here. Hopefully, any future differences we have with each other can be used constructively to create success. =) Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:20, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd certainly like for that to happen, and personally have no beef with you. However, being the person that I am, there's gotta be something said in regards to what led up to the events of last night...this is just my humble opinion so take it as you will, but you do seem to have been borrowing an awful lot of trouble for yourself on the FAN page. I won't presume to lecture you on what's been going on or what you should do about it, but let's just say that there are better ways to get involved with the community. Of course, this is coming from a user who has borrowed his own share of trouble in his own time. ;-) Chalk it up to personal experience if you will.-- Goodwood [[Image:Rebsymbol2.png|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 13:16, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Request
Think you could make this clearer/darker and reupload? Image:Gunganconcept.jpg Let me know. Thanks. Graestan ( Talk ) 05:31, 11 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Done and done.-- Goodwood [[Image:Rebsymbol2.png|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 13:09, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Wookieeproject Knights of the Old Republic
Hey, glad to hear the news. Yeah, I'll continue working as part of the team. I can't upload any pics, because I don't know how, but I do have some good suggestions for pics, I usually go around and try to word the articles better. Glad to be a part of the team. Please leave me a message on my talk page.--Jedi Kasra 21:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't have time to devote a lot of stuff to the project but I'll continue updating stuff from the comics when I get them. Kuralyov 14:21, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's done. I put myself down as a project editor. By the way, thanks for inviting me to an IRC meeting, but I only have dial-up, so.--Jedi Kasra 22:11, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Behind the scenes
On flight school, you removed bullet points from Bts. I can't find this on Wookification or Manual of Style. Can you point me to where it's been established as a style mandate? Thanks! --McEwok 02:02, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's generally by consensus that bullet points in the BtS of an article = bad and sloppy. Just look at the FAN history of just about any featured article. Besides, what's wrong with having paragraphs?-- Goodwood [[Image:Rebsymbol2.png|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 02:06, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Whose "consensus", though? I think they help to distinguish Bts visually, and keeps the focus on factoids rather than argument, which is why I use them. --McEwok 04:38, 16 January 2008 (UTC)


 * It's a general consensus of many, as spearheaded by Graestan. Bulletpoints fall under the unofficial, no-no category of "trivia". Don't put things into lists you can put into prose. If you want to distinguish the BTS, create subcategories like you would in the body of an article. Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:44, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
 * "a general consensus of many"? Isn't that cognitive-bias speak for "the opinion I agree with"? Stripping out loaded terms like "trivia" and "lists".... well, what follows is just MY opinion, of course, but I don't see what's wrong with bullets. Shouldn't Bts be parsed down to a minimal sequence of simple statements, with as little fanboy input as possible, apart from summarising continuity inconsistencies? Information is important here, I'd say, not prose. I'm curious why people disagree....
 * And I don't see how making Bts more like the body of an article would distinguish it from the article, which was the point I was aiming for. Sorry if that wasn't clear....
 * But, while I'm here - Goodwood, did you write training squadron mainly from memory, or did you go back to the books much for details? --McEwok 05:10, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Article suggestions
Hey, Goodwood. Why don't we create a couple articles detailing Revan's time on Dantooine and Tatooine?--Jedi Kasra 10:33, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Eh, I'm not sure that'd be notable enough, really, and besides, Jedi Civil War will cover those times. Some fanwank actually made Mission to Dantooine/Tatooine articles (which I marked for speedy deletion), but they were basically crap. If you'd like to see what I'm up to insofar as re-featuring Jedi Civil War, see this page.-- Goodwood [[Image:Rebsymbol2.png|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 12:30, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Very impressive. Will this replace the old info in the article? I can see that it's not complete yet, but so far, so good. Just that according to the Essential Guide to the Force, Revan and Malak became Dark Jedi in 3,961 BBY, then they delved into Korriban's tombs and Revan became the Dark Lord with Malak as his apprentice, it doesn't give any credit to Malachor V anywhere. I don't remember exactly what it says, I'll have to read it again. Also, I would like to talk to you about a few things concerning Revan, and Mandalore.--Jedi Kasra 23:57, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks for that&mdash;one more thing for me to think about (though KotOR II strongly implies that Revan went dark because of his experience on Malachor V). As to that page, when it's done it will be pasted over the entirety of the "regular" article. So, what did you have in mind (bearing that I've not read the KotOR comics)?-- Goodwood [[Image:Rebsymbol2.png|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 00:01, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, according to the Knights of the Old Republic Handbook, it says this {note: this is the best quote I can do since this isn't actually quoted from a person}

"While Republic officials are unsure whether the Mandalore they face now is the Taung soldier that replaced Mandalore the Indomitable years ago --or another successor who took his name and mask..."


 * Basically saying, until it's actually proven whether this Mandalore is good ol' Ultimate, we shouldn't treat this one like he is, so I guess I'm asking if we can change the title of the Mandalore the Ultimate article, into something like, "Mandalore (Mandalorian Wars)", or something. I'll talk to you about Revan, my idea could just be speculation on my part, but I just wanted to see if you'd listen to it. Also, I was wondering if you could go to Talk: Jedi Crusader and vote in a poll on whether to merge the article with the Revanchist (faction) article. Just to let you know, you accidently put "Catheras" for Cathar, so when people click on the misspelling it will still direct them to the Cathar, but.--Jedi Kasra 00:15, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Err, yeah...again, I've not read the comics or the Handbook myself, so I don't really feel qualified to vote in either of those polls. I am, however, somewhat intimately familiar with the stories from both KotOR video games, and therein lies my strength. I do have both the EGTTF and the NEC, though. Anyway, thanks for the tip.-- Goodwood [[Image:Rebsymbol2.png|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 00:46, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay. Now, for the speculation on Revan. The Knights of the Old Republic Handbook says this:

"Repubilc media played up the internal dispute -- although the efforts of the "Jedi's own crusader" to win followers were initially treated as a curiosity."


 * This could indicate that Revan was a young man and not someone already in his early-to-mid-twenties, and it could also indicate that Revan did not persuade that many Jedi to follow him to war. We could possibly put this in the "Behind the Scenes" section of the article. Your thoughts? Oh, by the way, glad to be on the team. Please let me know if I'm doing anything wrong, article-wise.--Jedi Kasra 01:35, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Well guess what bud, you just volunteered yourself for the Chief Editor position. Enjoy! :-D -- Goodwood [[Image:Rebsymbol2.png|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 03:14, 18 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Uh, you are joking, right? That was just a theory. I mean, if I am, thanks! Like I said, just let me know if I'm doing something wrong.--Jedi Kasra 01:16, 19 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, it's no joke. You seem to have all the sources, and as long as you don't engage in speculation and OR within the articles you edit, I don't mind having my work checked over by you. Don't be surprised if you're asked to copyedit an article, either. :-) ... Goodwood [[Image:Rebsymbol2.png|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 04:01, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Battle of Korriban
Hey, you might want to check out my changes on the Battle of Korriban article. Cheers.  Stake black   msg 17:37, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry mate, but from a cursory glance, you've still got a ways to go. There's a bunch of one-sentence paragraphs that could be merged, etc., and the images need to be re-placed to follow the right-left-right-left pattern of most other articles. Not to mention the intro is still way too short.-- Goodwood [[Image:Rebsymbol2.png|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 17:51, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Right, but do you feel that the Prelude section has a fair size?  Stake black   msg 17:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It's better, but still not quite up to scratch. By the way, links in quotations within articles, be it in the quote or the attribution, should be removed/not added. A question: when was the last time you played this mission within the game?-- Goodwood [[Image:Rebsymbol2.png|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 18:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow, really? Okay about the quotation thing :) Oh, quite a while. I don't have the game anymore, which makes things really hard. I tryed to avoid the whole "maze" thing while Jaden is progressing through the temple chambers and such.  Stake black   msg 18:19, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Hate to say this bud, but I strongly suggest re-acquiring the game and replaying it before you do anything else with that article. Otherwise it's rather pointless to continue your GA attempt, because you don't really have any way to verify what exactly happens.-- Goodwood [[Image:Rebsymbol2.png|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 18:22, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. xP  Stake black   msg 18:24, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Cassus Fett, and Boba and Jango
Where is the source that says that they are related? As far as I know that is only speculation at this point, like Zavol Shan being related to Bastila Shan, or Lando Calrissian being related to Galduran Calrissian.--Jedi Kasra 22:13, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * If there isn't one, remove it. I hate those kinds of ancestral speculations with the burning passion of a thousand suns, so don't hesitate to do what must be done. Show no mercy, Lord Vader.-- Goodwood [[Image:Rebsymbol2.png|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 22:16, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

AJP-400 Hush-About personal jet pack
After reading the link given to me by you in regards to the above article, I fail to see what you mean by it. Also, it's almost a word for word out of the Galladinium's Fantastic Technology book. Any insight would be helpful. Also, please keep in mind that I just joined yesterday and I'm still very much a n00b.Kalisa 01:43, 22 January 2008 (UTC)Kalisa
 * The fact that it's written word-for-word from the source is where you falter; this is a violation of copyright policy. Here at Wookieepedia, our job is to catalog, in an encyclopedic manner the many facets of the Star Wars universe. Check some other, related articles for the ideal way to write up this particular one. Hope that helps...and hope that you didn't take the template's wording personally.-- Goodwood [[Image:Rebsymbol2.png|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 01:47, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Just so that I understand you... We must rewrite everything regardless of the source??  I mentioned above that it's almost word for word.  Granted there's a few sentences in there that I just typed out, but instead I need to get in the habbit of totally rewriting everything I post??  Please let me know...Kalisa 01:59, 22 January 2008 (UTC)Kalisa
 * Yep, that's about the size of it.-- Goodwood [[Image:Rebsymbol2.png|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 02:01, 22 January 2008 (UTC)