Wookieepedia:EduCorps/Meeting 11/Log

[00:01:00] 	WELCOME TO MEETING 11 [00:01:12] 	alright, ill start with the old stuff [00:01:15] 	first up [00:01:22] 	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talbot [00:01:30] 	The reference for the year needs to provide a source that says how many days there are in a year. [00:01:37] 	CC-Lee says he fixed it [00:01:41] 	I have one minor issue. [00:02:10] 	There is still the possibility with the given reference that the Battle of Geonosis occurred on the first day of the year. [00:02:23] 	^ [00:02:42] 	I assume this isn't the case, but it needs to be stated. [00:02:55] 	Does anyone know of a source? [00:03:16] 	offhand no, dates aren't my specialty :P [00:03:26] 	same :P [00:03:35] 	The GRS thing screws me up [00:03:38] 	Doesn't the ATlas say which date Geonosis (or at least AOTC) starts? [00:04:10] 	Between 13:5:16 and 13:5:29 is what our article on the battle says [00:04:22] 	I'll check the Atlas. [00:05:28] 	Say what now? [00:05:30] 	No, it doesn't [00:05:51] 	One could probably figure it out if you try and map out with the novel [00:05:53] 	But.... [00:06:04] 	Also, wait. [00:06:08] 	does Cade volunteer? :P [00:06:12] 	13:3 is the start of that year. [00:06:51] 	The Atlas says that the events of the film start on 13:5:16 [00:07:29] 	That's been confirmed. There's a three-month gap between the GRS and Standard calendars [00:07:40] <Supreme_Emperor>	damnit, i have to step out for a bit, can someone take over, hopefully i wont be too long [00:07:49] 	Ok. [00:07:56] <CorellianPremier>	Sure, I will [00:08:00] <Supreme_Emperor>	if we vote on anything, EJ gets my vote [00:08:06] <Supreme_Emperor>	thanks [00:08:44] 	All we need to know is if the Battle of Geonosis occurred after the second day of the year. [00:08:51] 	Then we should be in the clear. [00:10:36] 	I get confused whenever GRS comes into the conversation. [00:10:51] 	Does TNEC place it as after the first day of 22 BBY? [00:11:04] 	Or will we need a new source? [00:12:11] 	Well, it places the Mission to Ansion in 22 BBY. [00:12:24] 	Which occurs before the Battle of Geonosis. [00:12:57] 	So we just have to change the wording then [00:13:05] 	Pretty much. [00:13:17] 	I'll do it [00:13:22] 	Go ahead. [00:13:56] <Cade>	I'll be in and out for the next few minutes [00:13:58] <Cade>	Making food. [00:14:15] <CorellianPremier>	So we moving on now? [00:14:42] 	As soon as dogma fixes Talbot and we vote I guess. [00:15:18] 	There [00:15:20] 	I beleive [00:15:51] 	That should work, I think... [00:16:02] <CorellianPremier>	Indeed. [00:16:07] <CorellianPremier>	So...keep [00:16:10] 	Keep [00:16:12] 	keep [00:16:32] 	Do the missing era ones in a group? [00:16:39] <CorellianPremier>	Sure [00:16:44] <CorellianPremier>	And Talbot kept [00:16:47] 	Yeah, they should all be good. [00:17:16] 	Just give them a quick check. [00:18:15] <CorellianPremier>	All good, but for the KIAs, I want to go ahead and add the death date (c 1BBY) [00:18:24] 	Sure. [00:20:23] <CorellianPremier>	Done. [00:20:28] 	Keep all? [00:20:40] <CorellianPremier>	Yep, keep all [00:20:51] <Cade>	Keep [00:20:56] 	I checked them earlier, keep. [00:22:02] <CorellianPremier>	Ecks you awake over there? [00:22:15] *	dogma prods ecks [00:22:39] 	My IRC client shows that he is away. [00:23:01] *	IFYLOFD (~chatzilla@wookieepedia/administrator/IFYLOFD) has joined [00:23:01] *	ChanServ gives channel operator status to IFYLOFD [00:23:09] <IFYLOFD>	I forgot there was an EC meeting, sue me [00:23:10] <CorellianPremier>	Right then. Looks like Limm Nix through Red (Band Light) are all kept [00:23:23] *	dogma sues Floyd [00:24:13] <CorellianPremier>	Next up, the four TCG flights [00:24:21] 	I vote keep all [00:24:30] <CorellianPremier>	Yep, keep [00:25:31] 	Keep [00:25:57] <CorellianPremier>	Anyone else folks? [00:26:09] <Supreme_Emperor>	back briefly, gotta go back out in a few mins though [00:26:11] <Supreme_Emperor>	keep [00:26:33] <CorellianPremier>	Alright, the four TCG flights kept [00:26:47] <CorellianPremier>	Painless, right? Now for the new stuff [00:26:56] 	Bring them [00:27:10] <CorellianPremier>	!wiki An'ja [00:27:11] 	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/An%27ja [00:27:21] <CorellianPremier>	frak [00:27:22] 	>.> [00:27:29] <CorellianPremier>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Anj%27a [00:27:35] <CorellianPremier>	Anj'a (Update tag)     The Twi’Lek singer and wildly popular holo-pinup girl Anj’a defied conventions with a number one hit song, “Booombaaa Booombaa Bombashella,” but it was the only major release by a non-human artist to top the charts under Imperial rule. I don't see anything that has to be added to the article. However, a short BtS note would push this article over 250 words, as would an (required!) intr [00:28:15] <CorellianPremier>	...but I would advise to remove its status anyway. Clone Commander Lee Talk 10:51, May 9, 2014 (UTC) [00:28:24] 	Well, we haven't been cutting CA status for going over the word limit. [00:28:44] 	Probe for BtS note? [00:28:47] 	But it does need a BTS note. [00:29:57] <Cade>	Probe [00:30:16] 	Probe [00:30:19] <CorellianPremier>	Probe. Oli has still been around a bit [00:30:32] <Supreme_Emperor>	probe [00:30:58] 	probe [00:31:06] <CorellianPremier>	Anj'a to be probed. By all of us. [00:31:44] 	:/ [00:31:50] <CorellianPremier>	Next up is her #1 hit song, http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Booombaaa_Boombaa_Bombashella [00:32:02] <CorellianPremier>	(Update tag)     Updated. Clone Commander Lee Talk 11:00, May 9, 2014 (UTC) [00:32:41] <CorellianPremier>	Looks good, keep [00:33:09] 	Keep [00:33:23] <Supreme_Emperor>	keepity keep keep keep [00:33:35] 	Keep [00:34:02] <Cade>	Keep [00:34:20] <IFYLOFD>	I SAYETH KEEP [00:34:24] <CorellianPremier>	#1 hit song kept [00:34:40] <CorellianPremier>	Moving right along: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Borna Update tag [00:35:12] 	Keep I guess [00:35:16] 	I don't think that the update was quite right on this one. [00:35:31] 	Here is what the blog says: "Early classical composers such as the immortal Borna did more to further understanding between species and cultures than legions of diplomats." [00:36:00] 	To me that doesn't say: "Borna's music was described as immortal and was key in furthering anti-Humanocentric movements." [00:36:23] 	ya... [00:36:47] <Cade>	Yeah. [00:36:54] <CorellianPremier>	Hmn [00:37:10] <CorellianPremier>	So, remove the bit about the movements [00:37:29] 	How about "Borna's music furthered the understanding between different species and cultures" [00:37:37] 	^ [00:37:41] 	after the immortal part [00:37:57] 	Although it doesn't call his music immortal... [00:37:59] <Supreme_Emperor>	stepping out again, sorry guys [00:38:03] 	It calls him immortal. [00:38:22] 	I doubt he's immortal :P [00:38:28] 	He died. [00:38:32] 	^ [00:39:03] 	Yeah, just change that bit and we should be good to go. [00:39:13] <CorellianPremier>	I agree [00:39:48] 	Keep immortal? [00:40:44] 	Hmmm... [00:40:59] <CorellianPremier>	Yes [00:41:19] 	Maybe say that he was described as immortal. [00:41:26] 	Sure [00:41:28] <CorellianPremier>	Yes [00:41:30] 	Want me to get it? [00:41:37] 	I've got it. [00:41:42] 	kk [00:43:36] 	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Borna [00:43:41] 	How does that look? [00:44:02] <CorellianPremier>	Just great [00:44:12] 	Good - keep [00:44:21] 	Keep [00:44:30] <CorellianPremier>	keep [00:44:40] <CorellianPremier>	Ayre says probe (sorry, been forgetting about him) [00:45:18] 	Well, we fixed it. [00:45:30] 	And SE gave his vote to me. [00:45:54] <CorellianPremier>	Very well, Borna kept [00:46:33] <CorellianPremier>	Next on the chopping block: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mantooine_Minuet [00:46:42] <CorellianPremier>	(Update tag)     Updated. Clone Commander Lee Talk 11:11, May 9, 2014 (UTC) [00:47:46] 	Is the image really appropriate? [00:48:02] 	Also (minor) Ivac should be linked to in the quote [00:48:15] 	It doesn't really have anything to do with the article. [00:48:20] <CorellianPremier>	Image: Probably not [00:48:46] <CorellianPremier>	and dancer [00:49:15] 	The dancer article isn't related though. [00:49:19] 	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dancer [00:49:52] <CorellianPremier>	Ooooohhhh [00:50:18] <CorellianPremier>	So we're removing the image, right? [00:50:36] 	I just did... [00:50:56] 	Entire BTS should be sourced too [00:51:09] 	There is currently one ref, and that's not good [00:51:24] 	Either we kill that one or ref the entire thing [00:51:58] <CorellianPremier>	Be better to go on and ref it all [00:52:17] 	Reffed. [00:52:18] *	Cade is now known as Cade|semihere [00:53:34] <CorellianPremier>	Very cool. So, keep [00:54:03] 	Keep [00:54:14] 	keep [00:54:15] <CorellianPremier>	Ayre says keep [00:54:58] <CorellianPremier>	Minuet kept [00:55:12] <CorellianPremier>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rseikharhl [00:55:24] <CorellianPremier>	It's finally been a month, and its over the word limit [00:55:58] 	That thing just keeps getting more and more unwieldy. [00:56:35] 	Probe [00:56:40] 	Probe [00:56:46] <CorellianPremier>	Yep, probe [00:56:49] <CorellianPremier>	Ayre: probe [00:57:39] <CorellianPremier>	Rseikharhl to be probed...again [00:58:05] <CorellianPremier>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sand_fly [00:58:13] <CorellianPremier>	Update tag-multiple sources? [00:58:23] 	This one is going to be a mess. [00:58:38] 	Because: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sandfly [00:58:50] 	Probe.... [00:58:56] 	Probe [00:59:12] <CorellianPremier>	Definitely [00:59:15] <CorellianPremier>	Ayre: probe [00:59:33] <CorellianPremier>	Looks like sand_fly is the more common name [01:00:01] 	There is also sand-fly mentioned in the sandfly article. [01:01:37] <CorellianPremier>	Right, like you said, a mess. Sandfly: on probation [01:01:51] <CorellianPremier>	Aaaannnd: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Paths_to_Power [01:02:24] <CorellianPremier>	(Update tag)     Updated. Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:12, May 9, 2014 (UTC) [01:03:32] <CorellianPremier>	Looks fine, so keep [01:03:37] 	Keep [01:03:51] <CorellianPremier>	Ayre: keep [01:03:52] 	Keep [01:04:17] 	Last one! [01:04:18] <CorellianPremier>	Paths to Power kept [01:04:20] <Supreme_Emperor>	back again, keep [01:04:32] <CorellianPremier>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wirutid [01:04:40] <CorellianPremier>	(Update tag)     Updated. Clone Commander Lee Talk 11:45, May 9, 2014 (UTC) [01:06:15] <CorellianPremier>	looks fine, keep [01:06:19] 	Although not technically a plant species, but a fungus, a form of mimicry is observed in the Wirutid. These sentient, ambulatory fungi have evolved into a human-like form, and to the unsuspecting observer they can be virtually indistinguishable from any near-human species. Not much is known about the Wirutid, except that they are highly intelligent. They use their mimicry to ensure their own safety and secure shelter, and are known to tra [01:06:25] 	That's what the blog has [01:07:12] 	Looks good though [01:07:26] 	Yeah, keep [01:07:34] 	Keep [01:07:38] <CorellianPremier>	ayre: keep [01:07:42] <Supreme_Emperor>	keepsies [01:07:56] <CorellianPremier>	Wirutid to be kept [01:08:12] 	We done? [01:08:14] <CorellianPremier>	So thats it for the articles. [01:08:22] 	We have a few discussion points. [01:08:37] 	That I forgot to put on the meeting page... [01:08:44] <Supreme_Emperor>	mind if i go first? [01:08:54] 	Fine by me. [01:08:56] <Supreme_Emperor>	not sure if im gonna have to step away again or not [01:08:58] <Supreme_Emperor>	thanks [01:09:05] <CorellianPremier>	SE has the floor [01:09:11] <Supreme_Emperor>	i dont have anything formal done yet, but i had a thought [01:09:40] <Supreme_Emperor>	ive noticed a number of cases where, in my opinion, intro's seemed unnecessarily redundant [01:10:12] <Supreme_Emperor>	ive been wondering, should we raise the limit for an intro to be required to be 220 or something like that? [01:10:32] <Supreme_Emperor>	wanted to get others thoughts before formally proposing something [01:10:39] 	Well, at 220, almost every article would go over 250 [01:10:43] 	I'm assuming you are referring to cases like this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Admiral_%28soldier%29 [01:11:14] <Supreme_Emperor>	that, and i had a few examples but lost the links [01:11:37] <Supreme_Emperor>	basically cases where the same info from the intro is immediately stated again right after the intro [01:12:55] 	I'm trying to think of a good way to word a rule to prevent stuff like this... [01:13:20] 	Because there are 200 - 220 word articles that need intros. [01:13:32] 	If the BTS is 20 words. [01:14:16] <CorellianPremier>	Maybe not a number but a percentage? 80% of body needs an intro? [01:14:54] <Supreme_Emperor>	imo, if we bumped it up to 220 it would largely eliminate the problem [01:15:31] <Supreme_Emperor>	we could still leave the clause in regarding "if it's largely bts info, an intro may not be required" [01:15:43] 	I've got to go, night all [01:15:53] 	Bye dogma. [01:15:56] <Supreme_Emperor>	night dogma [01:15:58] <CorellianPremier>	G'night [01:16:04] *	dogma has quit (Quit: Page closed) [01:16:30] <CorellianPremier>	Chances are though that 220 would just cause more to go to the GAN [01:17:23] 	Wait: Do you mean that an intro is only needed for articles over 220 words or that only 220 words and below are CA material? [01:17:51] <Supreme_Emperor>	intro needed at 220 words [01:20:11] 	I'm try to come up with a quick example of a potential problem I foresee. [01:23:34] 	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Exiledjedi/Whisper [01:23:44] 	You could run into this. [01:23:58] 	Where all of the main body is essentially biography. [01:24:05] 	And the BTS is very short. [01:24:41] 	That example is 206 words by the way. [01:26:35] 	Any thoughts? [01:28:39] <CorellianPremier>	Not seeing a problem. You could easily slot in a 29-word intro into that [01:29:54] 	Yeah, but would you say that an article of that size would need an intro? [01:30:28] <Supreme_Emperor>	i see what your getting at [01:30:30] <Supreme_Emperor>	hmmm [01:30:31] <CorellianPremier>	Maybe, maybe not [01:31:02] <Supreme_Emperor>	hmm [01:32:01] 	SE: The situation you are looking at is when the biography/main section is not large enough. [01:32:27] 	If the biography is one or two sentence an introduction is not needed. [01:33:43] 	I just don't know how to word it for other types of articles. [01:35:05] <Supreme_Emperor>	maybe ill see if i can word something up for the next meeting [01:35:15] <Supreme_Emperor>	cant think of the right wording right now [01:36:01] 	Hmmm, we might not have enough people to discuss two of my proposals. [01:36:21] <CorellianPremier>	Very well. Let's table this for the next meeting while SE writes it up and move on. [01:37:14] <Supreme_Emperor>	we could always hear them [01:37:34] 	The first is this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Exiledjedi/Workshop [01:38:47] 	Basically, it is a clone of the AgriCorps rules that will allow us to have rotation of responsibilities and provide rules for striking invalid objections and removing stalled nominations. [01:39:51] 	Next meeting we should have fewer old articles and more time to discuss it. [01:40:09] <CorellianPremier>	Indeed [01:40:23] <Supreme_Emperor>	i like [01:41:33] 	The other thing is related to the "new canon" articles. [01:41:54] 	I'm not sure if it applies to the CAN page yet and will need to give it more thought. [01:42:11] <CorellianPremier>	Oh here we go :p [01:42:45] 	The basic issue is that we will need to identify the new canon and legends articles on the CAN page somehow. [01:43:03] 	The best idea is probably to have separate sections. [01:43:24] <Cade|semihere>	Do what the Inq and AC are doing [01:43:27] <CorellianPremier>	Do we? If someone CANs up a canon article, it would still be a character, or a vehicle, or an event [01:43:39] <Cade|semihere>	Split them into sections of the page. [01:43:55] 	Yeah, but if there is a canon and legends version we need to identify which ones are canon. [01:44:12] <Supreme_Emperor>	i like the idea of separate sections [01:44:24] 	And we don't want to tag all of the articles as (canon) or (legends)... [01:44:43] 	Which is why the AC and Inq are splitting the page. [01:45:29] <CorellianPremier>	Oh okay, I hadn't heard that yet [01:46:05] 	Essentially we would have one section on top of the other. [01:46:30] 	But I don't think we have the votes to implement this now. [01:46:39] <Supreme_Emperor>	i rather like this idea [01:47:34] 	Next meeting we should probably handle discussion at the start or devote the entire time to old articles and discussion. [01:47:58] <CorellianPremier>	Discussion first, I think [01:48:25] <Supreme_Emperor>	probably first, when everyone should be there [01:48:36] 	Works for me. [01:48:50] <Supreme_Emperor>	side note about that when your done if we have a sec [01:48:53] 	When do we want the next meeting? [01:49:07] <CorellianPremier>	Third sat in June? [01:49:24] <Supreme_Emperor>	would probably work for me [01:49:35] <Supreme_Emperor>	actually maybe not, i might have to leave notes for that one [01:49:42] 	As of now, I can be there then. [01:49:52] <Supreme_Emperor>	im gonna be busy most saturdays, so im not sure [01:50:04] 	I'll try and schedule the meeting during the next week. [01:50:13] <Supreme_Emperor>	kk [01:55:58] 	Wow, this meeting has gone on for almost two hours... [01:56:44] 	Do we have any more discussion items? [01:56:46] <Supreme_Emperor>	:P [01:56:55] <Supreme_Emperor>	i cant think of anything offhand [01:56:57] <CorellianPremier>	I'm finito [01:57:09] 	I'll take care of paperwork. [01:57:54] 	Thanks for coming everyone. [01:58:04] <Supreme_Emperor>	thanks for taking over for me CP [01:58:07] <CorellianPremier>	Gold star for you too, eJ [01:58:13] <CorellianPremier>	sure thing [01:58:16] 	Thanks