Talk:Karness Muur

Vision in KoTOR 25
What's the source for him being the pointy eared guy in the vision in KoTOR 25? --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 20:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not. This is just speculation. Move it back. Immediately. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 04:26, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I've moved it back. I just figured it was pretty obvious that this was Karness Muur. This is the first person we see ever in possession of&mdash;and using&mdash;the Muur Talisman. I firmly believe that who Lucien describes to Celeste is who we see in the First WatchCircle's vision. As far as we know, from what Lucien says, Karness was an ancient Sith Lord who created the Talisman, used it to control people, and even engineered an infection believed by the Covenant to be the Rakghoul Plague. The man we see in the vision is, in my opinion, clearly a ancient Sith. He appears to be a hybrid of the Sith Species and Human (or another humanoid species). He is wearing the Talisman, and is using it to control the Rakghouls. I don't think that it could be any clearer that this is none other than Muur himself unless it was another Sith who eventually got his hands on the Talisman. But seeing as it will have to explicitly stated in black and white ink by Miller himself before people can see the connection, I've changed it back until that pivotal moment approaches.--Master Dakari 06:27, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, now, when Vector #3 is out, can we finally merge this with Karness Muur? Mauser 09:01, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree, after he touches Celeste Morne and she gets the talisman around her neck, the rakghouls bow to her. They were meant to be servants of Muur, as he created the plague, so, you do the math... VT-16 10:55, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * While there's no doubt this guy is Karness Muur, chances are we won't be allowed to merge them until he pretty much says "My name is Karness Muur, how are you?" Sith Alchemy 101 13:18, 24 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. and that will probably happen in Vector 12. The people from Dark Horse that follow wookiepedia will think we're so limited. So, if we're not allowed to merge these two character pages, why did they merge Darth Malak with Squint, or The Revanchist with Darth Revan? I didn't see Alek saying "Hey, I wanna be a sith lord and have my jaw cut out by a jedi" -- Seth danny 09:02, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The Revanchist and Alek were confirmed to be Revan and Malak in Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force. Pointy-eared guy as Karness hasn't been confirmed. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 10:24, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Vision in KoTOR 27
I guess this issue proves this guy is Muur.--Gonzalo84 21:50, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Mentioning in KoTOR 28
If you would watch the prewiew of this number, Celeste clealy mentions that Karness Muur is in the Talisman and he wants to leave this world. How would she know that if she didn't saw him in a vision in kotor 27 and told her she is her future? But still, I know it's not proof enough untill the pointy-eared man wears a t-shirt written with "I'm Karness Murr, in case everybody didn't notice". If it is, someone merge those pages, for the love of God! -- Seth danny 15:26, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

It should be proof enough, however, I bet we should wait until 28 is released, just so that it's official. Jedigeneral 23:47, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Scott Hepburn, the artist for 25-28, has confirmed that this is indeed Karness Muur on his website. That should be proof enough, and prove that Karness Muur isn't of the Sith species - which is speculation and not canonical fact in itself. Couldn't log on, it's Sarim Thiri. 194.144.101.84 01:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)