Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Grebleips


 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a good article nomination that was successful. Please do not modify it.

Grebleips

 * Nominated by: Lord Hydronium 00:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Phone home.

(2 ACs/3 Users/5 Total)
Support
 * 1) Break out the radios! NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 06:56, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 15:20, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 08:33, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) P&T would be useless and shoehorned. The article already has everything, and gives us everything. Clean, as far as I can see. Thefourdotelipsis 22:48, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) --Skippy Farlstendoiro 11:33, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) --Eyrezer 22:31, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) There must be a P&T, per the Layout Guide and Rule 4 above: "…follow the Manual of Style, Layout Guide, and all other policies on Wookieepedia." There are things to be had, such as his interest in extragalactic exploration and his political inclination.  Graestan ( Talk ) 15:53, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) *13 says it only needs to be included if information is available. It isn't; those things would be assumptions and OR. As for the Layout Guide, it doesn't require any sections, only saying that P&T is "typical". - Lord Hydronium 20:14, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) **The information is available&mdash;I'm not suggesting you make conclusions as to Grebleips's overall intentions, just that you explain what he did, what distinguished him as a Senator. Graestan ( Talk ) 23:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) ***I don't know what I can say that's not already in there. It's already mentioned that he was part of the Delegation of 2000 and funded an extragalactic survey, so that would just be repeating information—even worse when it's so short. - Lord Hydronium 05:26, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) ****I went ahead and added one, being careful not to draw conclusions or speculate outside the scope of the source material. Tell me what you think. Graestan ( Talk ) 00:55, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) *****I appreciate the help, but I felt that both of those were pushing it. Grebleips being against Valorum is definitely outside the movie, and I felt that even the assumption of Grebleips motivations in the Delegation of 2000 was pushing it. We can assume that he was against Palpatine's methods, and it's probably not a bad assumption, but without specific statements on his motivation, it is just an assumption. In regards to my rather blanket revert—sorry, it was a bit of a knee-jerk; I didn't realize there was a talk item here, so I removed it before I saw this, but if you want to discus possible P&Ts that would work, or adjustments to the one you wrote, I'm up for it, here or on IRC. - Lord Hydronium 02:06, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) ******Then it's a simple matter of rewording. If you don't get to it sooner or later, I'll try again. Graestan ( Talk ) 03:07, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) *******I also think it should have a P&T, however short. --Eyrezer 10:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Comments
 * No P&T information, so no P&T. - Lord Hydronium 00:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Graestan has a point. When I GA'ed Titus Klev, I essentially reworded a few paragraphs from the Bio and placed them in again as a P&T. I understand where you're coming from, but enough info is there. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 15:07, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * What does that add to the article, though? How does it make it a better article to have it repeat info two sections in a row? - Lord Hydronium 19:41, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that a P&T would be pointless - after all, I did vote support already. But we do know enough about Grebleips to add in a P&T; we probably know even more about him that I knew about Klev, and I managed to add something into that article. One paragraph is really all I'm asking. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 23:00, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No offense, but if it's pointless...why add it? We can't even say "the rules demand it", because they don't. I think it would detract from the article by making it extremely redundant. - Lord Hydronium 01:54, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I've struck my vote until the P&T is added. Like I said above, there is enough info for even a short P&T. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 01:41, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Only at the expense of the quality of the article. It's redundant, and like you said, it's pointless. - Lord Hydronium 02:48, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
 * FWIW, Aris-Del Wari—an infant who appears only in those HoloNet news briefs—has a P&T, though it may be only three lines. Surely something like that would suffice here.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:12, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * She has a P&T only because 4dot knew that people would insist upon The Rules saying it needed one (I hope I'm not misrepresenting his position, but that's the impression I've gotten; 4dot, you're welcome to correct me). That said, even she has more information on the character's personality than Grebleips. There is literally no information that is not already part of his biography, and I fail to see how repeating "He was a Senator who funded extragalactic surveys and signed the Petition of 2000" makes for a better article. - Lord Hydronium 22:33, 1 January 2009 (UTC)