Talk:Darth Krayt

Hypocrisy
Krayt's personality section is lacking, so maybe this would be a good addition to it? Should Hett be considered a hypocrite for wanting to dismantle the Empire after Order 66, yet eventually being a major factor in the Empire's return to prominence in the Galaxy?Darth Hyd 16:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * yes and no. He hated the old empire, that's for sure. He wanted to destroy it with his rising Tusken Raider army. He was stoped by Obi-wan. After that, and finding out what was on that farm, he might have changed his mind. He might have foolishly thought that he could rule an empire better than palpatine ever had.  But, without  a specific line saying why he switched positions on how he saw an empire, we'll never now.JR 01:33, 21 October 2007 (UTC)StarNinja99

Eras
What the heck? I know that Krayt was probably frozen for a period of time or something like that, but even though we don't have any sources for Krayt in all eras, shouldn't his "era" section say that he was in Rise of the Empire, Rebellion, New Republic, New Jedi Order, and Legacy Era and not just the three in the article? Even if he was frozen, his body was still in those eras, alive. All I'm saying is that we should say that he was in all of the above mentioned eras (and more if I missed one in between the rebellion and new republic.) because he was ALIVe in all of them even if he wasn't in any sourced material during that time. Make sense? It was just bugging me and I want to change it, but not without permission first. Any comments? Troy 16:39, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Policy dictates that eras are only for when a character appeared in a storyline. -- [[Image:AckbarSig.jpg|40px]] dmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 16:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I hope that this policy will be changed soon. We're an encyclopedia; we should put in all those extra eras regardless of whether or not they appeared in them. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:11, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Something bigger in Legacy
I'm new. Did it say somewhere that not only in LotF, but also in Legacy that a well known character would appear in Claws of the Dragon? I heard someone say something like that? Vergere, Jacen, Obi-Wan's Spirit, etc.
 * I believe they were referring to A'Sharad Hett.  Jasca Ducato Sith Council 06:40, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Merge?
I belive that the A'Sharad Hett and the Darth Krayt articles sould be merged into one complete article! -- Awar 04:37, 12 September 2007 (UTC).
 * I don't know what you've been reading... They already have been... Livingston  [[Image:Jedi Order2.jpg|25px]] ( The Force will be with you. Always. ) 04:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Posting Darth Krayt's Picture on the A'Sharad Hett Page
The posting of Darth Drayt's picture at the very top of the A'Sharad Hett page was a terrible spoiler. Yes, wookipedia posted the spoiler alert, but beneath the spoiler alert was an unmistakenly large picture of Krayt and A'Sharad Hett's page was redirected to the large titled page "Darth Krayt." Why does wookieepedia seek to spoil the fun of reading what is obviously a good and surprising storyline among some typically predictable storylines? Why would you redirect A'Sharad Hett's page to this one? The spoiler is in the redirection itself, not in the reading of the biography. I went on wookieepedia just to read a bit about A'Sharad, not knowing his future. When material like Star Wars: Legacy is so new, you need to do a much better job of not spoiling it for the fans. Thanks for ruining my read and insuring that I don't buy that storyline now!
 * We kept the A'Sharad Hett and Darth Krayt articles separate for about two months after the revelation was made, so as not to spoil anything. It's not our fault that you came and read the article after the spoiler period ended. And sign your comments!  Jasca Ducato Sith Council 19:50, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If you don't want to be spoiled, then don't go on Wookieepedia. We can't postpone improving articles because you haven't read the comic. The whole wiki is spoiler.-- [[Image:AckbarSig.jpg|40px]] dmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 19:59, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Info Box Image
I personally feel that this image:



should remain the info box pic, because this:



reveals the visual identity of the character and hurts the "Revealed" section as a whole. It is also redundant to have two of the same images on the same page. The first image was perfect and I believed enhanced the article, where as the other pic, detracts from the article. It makes me not want to read the rest of the article because I see who Krayt is and what he looks like unmasked right from the get go. Sort of ruins the read IMO. Darth Byss 18:31, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Considering previous discussions, the current mass preference are the actual face. See Jango Fett and the ex-A'Sharad Hett page. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 18:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Is it truly, because when readin the article, the reveal section loses it's dramatic power. Frankly, I think we are mistaken to alter it the way it has been altered. Tell me, why do you feel it should be the way you altered it to be? Darth Byss 18:58, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Loses its dramatic power!? You're joking, right? Darth Krayt, born A'Sharad Hett... is a bit of a giveaway. I say keep one that actually shows his face. --  AdmirableAckbar  [Talk] 19:07, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with Darth. We know from the get go that the two are the same, but we don't know exactly what he looks like unmasked in the future (minus those who have read the comics of course). So I do agree that it most definitely kills any dramatic effect from the revealed section of the article. However, if that is the current preference, oh well... Livingston  [[Image:Jedi Order2.jpg|25px]] ( The Force will be with you. Always. ) 00:12, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * He really doesn't look all that different. The eyes and some exposed veins but that's a given with other Krayt images and anyone who knows anything about the dark sides effect...and dramatic effect? C'mon. That's like saying we should move the part where Vader reveals he is Luke's father up BEFORE the ROTS crap. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 01:12, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No it isn't. This is about Darth Krayt, and the old pic made the article seem more official. It would also be more likely used in the databank if and when they put Darth Krayt's article up. Now honestly, the pic that shows his face is better suited under the Revealed section. The article looks awkward without the image there, plus the first pic communicates power and might, two things a Sith would want to emphasize. It now looks more like a year book pic, or a brief bio, whereas that is not what wookie is. Darth Byss 03:13, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Wrongo! This shows his face unobscured, which is the general tendency, and we're not in the business of projecting "suspense". Also, we're not in the business of trying to be like the Databank. Thefourdotelipsis 03:18, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That basically sums it up. We're an encyclopedia. Not a play. Not a movie. Not a suspense thriller. An freakin encyclopedia. The bare facts. Honestly. I'm not even sure why we're giving a guy who is violating the signature policy the benefit of an discussion... -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 03:40, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * We go unmasked. Whether it "spoils the surprise" is irrelevant. This is an encyclopedia. You won't see Britannica hiding Hitler's death date because it "spoils the surprise for the ending of World War II" now, do you? QuentinGeorge 06:06, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm just saying that even in an encyclopedia, you would have a masked image, take Batman for example. Any and every other source will have the masked image of Krayt, regardless of the preference, and it seems to come down to personal preference, because no good arguements have been presented from either side. The article did look better the other way IMO, and we should possibly consider making it policy that if someone wants to change an infobox image, that it must be discussed and voted on. That way we can avoid edit wars and what not.DarthMalus 15:44, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * At this point it isn't being based on "personal" preference, it is being based on Wookiepedia preference. The current trend is to show a character unmasked if a shot is available. Thus any argument here isn't going to change that as it effects other articles. A senate discussion would be needed in order to change it, and it would have to apply to the other articles as well. And obviously from the short argument here, there wouldn't be much support for the masked. Suspense issues besides, I personally think the main profile pic should display a character in the latest form they used for the longest period of time. Basically what people generally think of when they think of that character. As such Jango would be masked, as would Darth Vadar, even if the article is called Anakin, and even if he briefly switched back to the lightside at the end of his life. And if the have a pic where they are unmasked then it should be displayed somewhere else in the article. However, I don't make policy or establish trends. So since most people want it this way, this is simply how it's going to be until a majority change their minds. Livingston  [[Image:Jedi Order2.jpg|25px]] ( The Force will be with you. Always. ) 03:22, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd like to point out that there are many other "silent voters" out there than you might expect. If this should come to the Consensus Track there'd been more support for a "masked" standard than you might think.  But why go that far? Throw up a vote like we all did over a Darth Nihilus. If the unmasked supporters really have a majority, so be it, they win. Likewise, we'll get a ballpark for how much support a CT vote might get. No need to make a policy change. Let's try a little democracy, shall we? Din&#39;s Fire 997 02:42, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

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That about sums it up. Get over it.  Victor  ( talk ) 01:28, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well it'll go back anyway. The current image is a close up of his neck and head, like a police report. Could we zoom a little out. Though I can say that the masked image would be a better representative and more encyclodian in presentation. Look into printed encyclopedia's and in each case, a super hero is presented in constume with mask, if they have one, on. If we are not going to compromise, and from the tone's it seems some people need to take sometime off from this site if it is so frustrating to have a civil discussion on a matter that is of inportance to the look of the site. I say, due to precedence in REAL encyclopedia's, that it should have remained Masked, as that is the proper style of an encyclopedia. DarthMalus 21:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * How about this as the new profile image?



DarthMalus 02:59, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Now this is a compromise I like. It's the best of both. You got my vote. Din&#39;s Fire 997 03:07, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Its off-centered and looks horrible in the infobox. Why do you think I had the image cropped in the first place? It's a good thing we have users with taste and common sense here...-- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 03:33, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Per Red on this one. If we can't use this picture, then the current, cropped and centered picture, is the best one to date and should stay as the infobox picture. Greyman ( Paratus ) 03:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well then, Redemption, by that logic, it should have never been changed as the masked image is higher quality and it is centered, and looked great in the info box, but I do thankyou for taking the time to reply to my inquiry. If I gain the support needed, then it'll be changed regardless, but I think it looked fine in the info box. Now what is troubling in the tone of your responses...they are, or could be interpreted, as venomous and spiteful. It communicates "it's my way or my way!" type attitude. That is not good for any member to do. It is disrespectful and will cause edit wars, fights, etc...so if you would, chill out. It's not THAT big a deal and the use of ad hominem, Converse Fallacy of Accident, and Appealing to Authority; invalidate your arguement anyway, but an attempt for compromise and diplomacy must never be the target of another's deconstructive criticism. Let that be the end of that conversation. Anyone else have an oppinion on the infobox image? DarthMalus 12:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I say either the most recent image or what they usually appeared in should be in the infobox, and that it can only be decided on a case-to-case basis. It seems clear to me that the Anakin Skywalker article should have a pic of Darth Vader in the infobox, while, even though I'm sure most fans think of Leia in her slave bikini, she should either be in her princess outfit from A New Hope or her most recent get-up. On this one I say to go with the unmasked face, since it shows who he actually was. And like people said before this is an encyclopedia, while to be like the Databank, truth be told, we would pretty much have to give a really brief description and then starting advertising stuff. -- Zelda Death 03:22, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Obi-Wan vs. Darth Krayt
Can we put some images of Obi-Wan vs. Ashard Hett pictures on the section?--The K.O. King 01:33, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I would like them too, they're pretty cool. If I ever get the chance, I'll scan the images from Legacy 16 and put one of Obi vs. A'Sharad. Though, doesn't seem likely at the moment, my scanner is a mess.  Victor  ( talk ) 21:31, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Cyborg
Could you please put in the category "Cyborgs" for Krayt? After all, he lost his right arm and left eye. - Will Karner 11:26 A.M., 19 November 2007

Master XoXaan
So, the article lists Lord XoXaan as Krayt's Sith Master. Now, was he trained by her spirit that lingered on Korriban until A'Sharad stumbled across it, or was he trained by her holocron? If her holocron, then she shouldn't be listed as his Sith Master. I would consider this correct, but we've had this type of discussion already over on Darth Bane's article.--Master Dakari 21:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Captured by Yuuzhan Vong
Can we mention about Krayt's capture by the Yuuzhan Vong in issue #18? This is the absolute proof of what White Eyes was talking about. It looks like we're getting closer and closer to unraveling the mystery. - Will Karner 6:34 P.M., 5 December 2007

Perhaps I'm not being more specific. White Eyes said that his leader was captured by Yuuzhan Vong in Inferno. So it's revealed that Krayt crashed into a ship of the Yuuzhan Vong Empire and did you see get a look at the little guys attach to his body? Were they Yuuzhan crabs or thud bugs? They look red in this version. It's more likely the crabs because those are what create Vong crab armor.

C'mon, dudes! Can't you at least PLEASE put this in? This is from a VIP (Very Important Preview). - Will Karner 10:30 P.M., 5 December 2007
 * Until proven, it stays out. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 02:26, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Could you just take a look the preview already!?!? It's bad enough that I forgot to mention that Krayt was put on the Embrace of Pain by XoXaan. This was so he could stop pretending to be a Sith and become one. So I suggest that since this article is protected, you had better read the preview (or if you have read it already) and put in this new info! Immediately! Vamoose! Plur vite! etc! - Will Karner 11:16 P.M., 6 November 2007


 * Well, Will, it appears that reading the preview didn't do you much good, so how much good would it do others? From your last post, it is clear that you have misinterpreted almost everything seen in the preview. Krayt was never placed in the Embrace of Pain by XoXaan. As he said himself, he encountered it after he left his apprenticeship. And when he is talking about "pretending" he means that, while learning the ways of the Sith from XoXaan's holocron, he was all-the-time telling himself, "I'm only pretending," or, "I'm only doing this to learn new skills," and so on. No doubt, he was telling himself this because he didn't want to believe that he was truly falling to the dark side or that he was actually becoming a Sith. That is all that his "pretending" comments mean. And by the way, it does not do any good for you to try and boss around the administrators of this site. Redemption has already said that the One Sith and New Sith Order were not going to be stated as being one-and-the-same until it is revealed to be so. And, until they are, you should just let the matter drop. It will do no good to argue the point.--Master Dakari 09:04, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Will Karner appears to be incapable of learning. He is being told to stop specualting again and again and again, I am by no means trying to boss around the admin but I suggest this be his final warning before being banned. - Lord KAJ  – Company Office 10:45, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

That's a very good warning. Not only is Wookieepedia getting to commercial, its getting too dangerous. - Will Karner 7:48 AM, 7 December 2007
 * Will, I was in no way trying to boss you around. I was just trying to let you know, from personal experience even, that aruging with the admins. does nothing. And, for the most part, for good reason. They keep fanon and misinformation from being placed on articles that are only supposed to be fact. I just wanted to let you know that it doesn't do any good to argue with the admins.--Master Dakari 18:39, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Dakari, that's good advice, but phrased wrongly. You're making it sound to Will like you can't fight city hall. That's not the case. If he appeals to the admins on a serious issue, and the admins find merit in his appeal, they WILL listen, and they WILL act. But we're not commercial, and we're ESPECIALLY not dangerous. We simply have a policy that is thought-out, responsible and proven to be correct: until it is SPECIFICALLY SAID, we do NOT put it in. PERIOD. Even if it's 99% certain, we do not put it in until that last 1% of doubt is eliminated. PERIOD. All else is fanon, made up, and that is not allowed here. I defend that policy even though it's worked against me too on occasion; it's in place because it is the RIGHT policy. That's why we are more loyal to it, than to any one contributor, or even a group of contributors. And that includes Will.

It doesn't matter if the preview sys anything; until we have the actual issue in hand, we do not add it, because the context may be missing in the preview, and context is essential. It determines the meaning of everything. So just wait a couple of weeks until the comic is released, and then it WILL be added, if it's in the comic to add. To push the admins or anyone else to violate their own well-established rules is not just pointless; it's wrong, and it's arrogant.

Which brings us to an even greater issue that Will Karner has caused me to bring up: it's not a question of being commercial and dangerous. It's that we have a set of rules here, that determine how we conduct ourselves when we are here. If Will wishes, he can read those rules anytime he wants to, and he'll know what's doing. If he refuses to adhere to our policies, or he wants to try to get others to disregard those policies, than to be honest, he's not welcome here. We have a legitimate right to decide how people shall conduct ourselves here and to enforce that code of conduct. That code of conduct is more important than any individual's personal agenda - anyone's, including my own. If someone doesn't want to play by the rules in the classroom, then he can go sit in the corner until he chooses to behave. Erik Pflueger  23:18, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip, dudes. I'll try to be more canonical next time. Scout's honor! And by the way, you still need to work on that spelling of yours. - Will Karner 11:53 PM, 7 November 2007

I'm sorry but I just dont beleive you. I've lost count of the times you have posted speculation on the talk pages (particuly the KotOR characters). Every time you are told to stop, you say "sorry dudes, wont do it again", and then you go and do it again straight away. In fact since this post you've already done it again on Darth Malak's talk page, so forgive me if I'm skeptical. - Lord KAJ  – Company Office 11:10, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Eye conflict
I told you Krayt was captured by the Y.V, but did you guys listen? No... You were just plain overconfident about fanon and speculation issues. Well guess what? Some turn out to be facts! Um, sorry if I'm bragging in your faces too much.

Anyway, let's discuss why our old buddy had his organic eye replaced by the blue cyber one. Maybe that green eye was giving him trouble with his sight. Didn't he have enough eye problems to worry about, so could've just left it alone as it was? He had his Sith order to attend to. I don't know why, so I'm asking you. 68.228.149.192 13:27, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sure it'll be revealed eventually, but this is a question for the Knowledge Bank, not a talk page. Din&#39;s Fire 997 19:46, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Get this straight, Mr. Anonymous Uppity-Pants. Wookieepedia policy is that it DOES NOT MATTER if some of these guesses by people turn out to be right - until it is actually SHOWN or TOLD in an OFFICIAL SOURCE, it does NOT get included, and fanon and speculation is ALL IT IS. It's not an issue we have; it's a RULE. It's not a question of overconfidence; it's a question of who we give more credence: the people who are officially charged with establishing what is and is not canon, or some nameless douchebag who guessed and had as much chance to be wrong as right. Do we understand each other? Erik Pflueger [[Image:Republic_Emblem.svg|20px]] 23:09, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Talon?
does cade kill Tallon or is she still alive?JediBob 23:57, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Unknown at this time, have to wait to find out in future issues.Jacen Solo Jedi Master 00:09, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

embrace of pain
I know this is an odd question, but why is Krayt naked while in the embrace of pain?JediBob 04:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * to add to the torture??? Oyam5000 13:27, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Jacen Solo was naked when he was in the Embrace of Pain as well. It's in the beginning of Traitor. Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith 19:02, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Eye?
Why did the YV rip out his perfectly normal eye? and what happened to that green iye? Its gray now...JediBob 21:38, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Biography??
Darth Krayts biography's end doesn't look to ready yet. Is there some books/comics coming that would reveal more about his biography? DARTH SIDIOUS2 14:13, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but they haven't been released yet. So we can't put the information in. Obviously.  Jasca Ducato Sith Council 20:38, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

LOL !
So wat Krayt is a 10000 year old tusken with a crusty shriveld up body :). HA HA. People I know EU is running out of good ideas but come on yet another jedi turned mass murdering sith. Well at least they put a (still dumb) twist hes the only 999 year old sith. Why do they always recycle the "seemingly defeated bad guy(s) returns with an impossible huge fleet and smushes the good guys only to be killed or redeemed"
 * firstly, sign your comments. Secondly, stop moaning about it, because it's not going to change.  Jasca Ducato Sith Council 22:20, 30 January 2008 (UTC)
 * He is not "999" years old. In fact, he is as of 137 ABY about 184 years old. I'm not sure if any other human Jedi achieved it, but the former Jedi Vima-Da-Boda was born in 190 BBY. Even though there isn't any record yet of her demise, she still lived to be older that Krayt's current age. And just for the record, Mr. I-Didn't-Sign-My-Name, Krayt doesn't suck.--Jedi Kasra 01:33, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

I can't belive it
I still cant get my head around A'sharad hett being darth krayt because i thought that a tusken being a jedi was cool but then he turned to the darkside DArth Bender123
 * Erm, great.  Jasca Ducato Sith Council 12:28, 18 February 2008 (UTC)

Possibility?
I know, i know, "no place for speculation, blah blah blah"...but does anyone else think that Darth Krayt is, in fact, that "mysterious, dark shadowy figure" that Luke sees in his visions during the LOTF series? --LtCol. JuiceStain 00:22, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Nope, it's Jacen. The novel Revelation says this.  Jasca Ducato Sith Council 21:26, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh...well, I haven't read the novel yet (lol most people haven't). Alright, where there goes another one of my theories LoL.--LtCol. JuiceStain 02:11, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Um, no it doesn't, Jasca. You are mistaken. Din&#39;s Fire 997 05:28, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Its still most likely to be Jacen, as LOTF is all about how Jacen becomes a sith --Tom rules 21:39, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Small request
I suggest you get rid of the "Possible mention" next to Inferno, now that we know that the New Sith Order and One Sith are the same. Why? Because it's protected it and I can't get in, for heaven's sake!!!! 72.82.4.177 03:42, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Pictures
I think that someone should upload more pitures of when Krayt was in Vong captivity, a good picture would be the one were he has the partialy grown armor.

age
how old is this guy?
 * As of 137 ABY, he is 184 years old. And please sing your comments.  Jasca Ducato Sith Council 20:31, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

"In addition, he was the first Sith Lord since Palpatine to rule the entire galaxy."
Isn't this sort of untrue? Considering the Fel Empire was a faction with planets allied against him, as well as some independent systems I'm sure are hanging around? The ENTIRE galaxy wasn't under his rule.
 * You bring up a good point. And technically, Palpatine never ruled the whole galaxy anyway. Grand Moff Tranner 20:09, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * There was a seven year period between the end of the Sith-Imperial War and the beginning of the Fel Insurgency. During that time, I suppose he technically controlled the entire Galaxy for seven years.  At least, he controlled all Imperial, GA, and Chiss planets.Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith 19:05, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's mentioned in several articles here on Wookieepedia that Krayt never controlled the entire galaxy. In the period from 130 ABY to 137 ABY, many planets remained a part of the GFFA, and opposed Krayt's empire.  Jasca Ducato Sith Council 20:02, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Dread Lord?
What comic does it say that Krayt proclaimed himself the new Dread Lord? Was it a issue of Star Wars Insider that called him that once?--Jedi Kasra 10:21, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Voldemort
Since you said that Krayt looking for immortality, do you think he's based somewhere on Lord Voldemort with his Horcruxes? He even looks old enough to look like Ralph Fiennes' age form. 72.82.9.127 13:39, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think so, many Sith lords before Krayt have tried to find the way to eternal life.  Madclaw Shyriiwook! 13:44, 3 May 2008 (UTC)