Talk:Darth Krayt

Succession box
Should s/he be put as Dark Lord of the Sith if s/he was the one running the LES? Kuralyov 03:53, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess so. And from what I read on the online supplement, Krayt is male. DarthMaul431 03:55, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Nothing calls him/her a DLOTS, just the Sith Lord who founded the group, so I'd say no until we have more information. As for gender, the article doesn't specify. - Lord Hydronium 03:58, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually it does specify Krayt as male. Ostrander says in the article: "While they're founded upon Sith principles -- he grew his new Sith Order on the planet Korriban -- they are not in fact the same as the other Sith.". DarthMaul431 04:03, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Whoops, I missed that. Good catch. - Lord Hydronium 04:05, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. It's late anyway (at least where I live). DarthMaul431 04:07, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * He "grew" his NSO? Not more clone madness, I hope. Although alchemy, there's a concept I hope gets revisited. Kuralyov 04:13, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Either that or it could just be that he grew its ranks by converting many followers. DarthMaul431 04:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I'd like to see who trained Darth Krayt. In fact, I'd like to see the whole line from Palpatine and Vader to the Legacy Era Sith. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 15:33, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Darth Bane
 * Darth Zannah
 * Darth Millennial (split from order)
 * Darth Vectivus
 * Darth Finn (Ambiguous)
 * Darth (Unknown Apprentice)(Ambiguous)
 * Darth Marka (?) (Ambiguous)
 * Darth Plagueis
 * Darth Sidious
 * Darth Maul
 * Darth Tyranus
 * Darth Vader
 * Lady Lumiya
 * Lord Flint
 * Carnor Jax
 * Vongerella (possibly)
 * Darth Krayt
 * Darth Maladi
 * Darth Nihl
 * Darth Stryfe
 * Darth Talon
 * Darth Wyyrlok

This all we know of. DarthMalus 17:26, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, you gave me some extras, but thank you. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:42, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Which one is which
I am guessing that Darth Krayt is that big scary guy on the left of the photo.Adventfear
 * I believe so. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:17, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Species?
Does anyone know what species this guy is? I haven't read the Legacy comics. - Bub

He looks like a Yuuzhan Vong from the pictures we have got about him. Maybe, Yuuzhan Vong society changed following their defeat and resettlement on Zonama Sekot and the surrounding planets, with some beginning to accept the technology used by the galaxy. Krayt could also be an exiled Yuuzhan Vong who committed some terrible crime. MyNz 08:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think this something they're going to hold out on us. Looks like a Vong to me, though. Lonnyd 10:12, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * However, upon examination of Krayt, he looks like a humanoid wearing Sith armor. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:55, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * its armor, look at the current picture, you can see his skin etc. Jedi Dude
 * That's why I said what I said. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:22, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

30 years ABY?
So these guys were formed during the Dark Nest AND LOTF and no one knew about them? Stinkywookie 12:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * They hid themselves. But notice that Legacy 0 make no mention of the Dark Nest Crisis or LotF. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:12, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I actually do think that they have now messed up the continuity in a big way. So not only did Luke not know that Lumiya was still out there but he also didn't know that there was a whole order out there??  Come on!  Next we are going to learn the Darth Krayt is the reincarnation of the clone of the son of Palpy who was created by Plagius manipulating the mediclorians into making Palpy a woman for a while.  Stinkywookie 12:17, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * This is going to screw things up, just like a video game would. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure they didn't mean 130 ABY and just missed the '1'? VT-16 15:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * agreed ^ Jedi Dude
 * I was hoping but I haven't read Legacy yet. Stinkywookie 16:32, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think they meant to have it 30 ABY. Don't ask me why. Either way, we've got some issues with canon here. It says that after the Galactic Alliance retook Coruscant, the Imperial Remnant becomes the Galactic Empire and takes Coruscant again. The thing is, it neglects the Dark Nest Crisis and the Second Corellian Insurrection and makes it sound like it becomes the Empire again right after the Yuuzhan Vong War. None of this makes sense. The timeline of Legacy is, in my opinion, way too close to 40 ABY. Now, if one of the Fels (let's say Jagged) has Fel I, who has Fel II, who has Roan Fel, who has a daughter, it's like they're reproducing way too close together. We're talking less than 100 years here, and people in Star Wars can probably live beyond 100 years. Going by that, Fel I or Fel II would still be in charge in 130 ABY, not Roan Fel. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 16:58, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with you but I think I can answer the Fel question. What if Fel I was Soontir Fel?  He's old.  Then that would leave a bit more breathing room.  Still too close in my opinion.  I get the feeling that this was greenlit without knowing what timeframe LOTF was in. Stinkywookie 17:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * If Fel I was Soontir, wouldn't they have said something, though? And why exactly would he become Emperor? No offense to you or anything, it's just I don't see why the Imperials would make Soontir Fel the new Emperor out of all people, including Gilad Pellaeon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * They may be holding back some part of the story. As I have said in the past, maybe the Legacy books will lead into the reborn Empire.  I don't know, I'm just guessing.  The only reason I could think of them making Soontir Emperor is if he brought the Empire of the Hand with him.  Just ideas.  Stinkywookie 17:36, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * no there simply isn;t enough time for the empire to come back, have its onw Jedi force, the actual Jedi to of changed so much, there just isn't enough time for so much change. stupid stupid legacy. its gonna destroy everythin. i know it! Jedi Dude
 * Why? In the space of two hours last year we saw the fall of the Jedi and the transformation of the Republic into the Empire. A lot can happen in a century - Kwenn 17:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The Corrilian Rebellion can be used as a set up for the split of the Jedi. Remember, it was a war without fighting that led to this new Empire.  Maybe there was a rift in the Jedi over the conflict. Stinkywookie 17:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * While the Second Corellian Insurrection could be the cause of the Imperial Knights, the rest still doesn't make sense. While a lot can happen in a century, it still seems to me like the new Empire rose right after the Yuuzhan Vong War. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:28, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * And in regards to RotS, that was something that went on over a period of several days...and was mastereminded by the greatest Dark Lord in the history of the Sith Order. This whole comic sounds like something that was created by one of the guys over at the Star Wars fanon wiki. -- SFH 21:04, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * If this is the case, then the funny look the authors gave each other in the C3 panel when I asked about the Empire showing up in LotF must have meant that I hit the nail on the head. --GrandAdmiralJello 23:15, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Please don't post in the middle of a discussion. And SFH, I agree with you about that. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

First of all I don't understand all the panic, I think this legacy comics series adds an interesting twist to the rather dull and overly predictable universe that has become star wars. Give it a shot, all the answers will be learned in time. Big spoiler here but to anyone who reads the first book in LOTF, we see Jacen Solo become a Sith Lord at the end, I have a feeling this new sith order That the Illustrious Krayt began, will actually be tied to young Jacen Solo. DarthSion101
 * I wouldn't be surprised if he *was* Jacen Solo. I mean, I don't think that's what's going to happen, but I really wouldn't be surprised.(217.135.132.62 12:04, 9 June 2006 (UTC))
 * If they're following LotF, it's probably Jacen as Darth Krayt, but, as I have said before, they make it sound as if the new Empire rises right after the Yuuzhan Vong War, leaving no time for the Dark Nest Crisis or the Second Corellian Insurrection. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:06, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well we really don't know what's been happening with the Imperial Remnant since The Unifying Force. All we know Imperial-related is that Pellaeon is now Supreme Commander of the Galactic Alliance Defence Force. That doesn't tell us much. For all we know, some of the events they're refering to here (a Fel rising to the throne of the Imperial Remnant, possibly Soontir?, his succession by his son (Jag with Jaina as his queen, since Fel III is FS?) happen in books 2-9 of Legacy of the Force or in subsequent books. And Jacen does fit the bill for Darth Kyayt if you think about it, though... Sith, "born into a Galaxy deeply wounded by civil war and the Yuuzhan Vong invasion", "he came to believe that the Galaxy was fractured and weak, and that a single will was needed to make it whole and strong again" -- sounds like it could be Jacen to me. Top it off that Darth Krayt is wearing Yuuzhan Vong armor and is a human male, and you're one step closer. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't... but I'm intrigued. Remember, just look at our world and how much can happen in a century: Hitler rose and fell within a period of a decade, give or take. - Randy Starkiller
 * Jacen being Krayt could be cool with him being Cade's great(?) uncle. Sets up for a whole new, "I am your uncle."  Interesting....Though I do think they shot themselves in the foot when they made these two events so close.  We will see though. Stinkywookie 12:41, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Randy, you have some excellent points there. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 15:36, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Have we gotten to the bottom of which time is correct, 30 or 130? If its 130 ABY very good points by Randy, if its 30 ABY then I have to say WTF? Stinkywookie 15:40, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The only issue with the date is Darth Krayt's founding of his order. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 15:45, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's a new thoery for everyone to hate: Darth Krayt is.................................wait for it...............................Kyle Katarn.  Where's he been the last ten years anyway?  Thats my only argument for it. Lonnyd 21:00, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What, you mean kind of the way the Jedi thought the Sith were extinct for the better part of a thousand years up until Qui-Gon ran into one on Tatooine? What you're describing as flawed continuity is hardly with out precedence. Furthermore, that not with standing, you are making assumptions with facts not in evidence. The ad copy for the Del Ray Legacy series mentions something about Luke sensing a “growing darkness” or something equally ominous. I’ve seen nothing in the information about the DK Legacy series that categorically states the return of the Sith never became known in Luke’s time. Furthermore, the series writer has explicitly stated on the Force.net message boards that he wants to stay clear of setting things in stone like that, specifically to give the Del Ray writers free reign. Since we can’t say for certain, until the next couple books from Del Ray come out if the Sith didn’t reemerge earlier, and since even if the only remerged in 130 ABY, your argument is moot.--Jad Jermain 02:43, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but where do you get this idea from? I've seen nothing to indicate that the new Empire appears right after the end of NJO. It seems to be something that happened within the life time of Cade Skywalker, so that means it's at very least after the the Second Corellian Insurrection (which also seems to be one of the events that laid the ground work for it).--Jad Jermain 02:54, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * First: Don't post in the middle of a discussion. Second: The way it's worded in Legacy 0, it sounds like the new Empire emerges right after the Yuuzhan Vong War. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:22, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 30ABY? I don't think so. Maybe Krayt was born in 30 ABY. The galaxy was torn apart from civil war ala the situation we see in DN and LoTF, and the Yuuzhan Vong War. Not 30 ABY!

Not-a-Vong

 * We, since it says he grew up during the Civil War, I guess we can rule out Vong as a species. But wouldn't the armor bite him? -- SFH 00:35, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe it's said somewhere that it's modified armor. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:18, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What's the source on that being voduun crab armor anyway? Lonnyd 08:08, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It says it somewhere. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:43, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well then, I'll go ahead and add "Somewhere" to the sources then. I kid, I kid.  But seriously, I can't find that anywhere.  I think it's an assumption, and I think it should be removed unless someone comes up with an actual source. Lonnyd 20:40, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It says so in Star Wars Insider # 88 =) --Sauron18 06:00, 10 June 2006
 * There you go. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:29, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Better Image

 * In Insider #88 there is a more complete version of the portrait image, should I scan and put it? --Sauron18 06:33, 10 June 2006
 * Does it show most of or his entire body? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:34, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the "portrait-like" image shows basically the end of his horns, and a bir more down (not that much), but it's a different sort of image, I dunno how to explain it, but the one we have right now must've been somehow modified. It's better "resolution" in some ways. There's also another one which is completely new, in which you see him sort of weak, and being "hugged" or something by Wyyrlok. I shall upload them elsewhere and show them. --Sauron18 06:44, 10 June 2006
 * Please do. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What's with the mismatched eyes? I thought only women in the GFFA had that. -- SFH 23:58, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe the blue is due to his Force lightning. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:00, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. -- SFH 00:01, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope, I'm wrong. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:02, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I re-uploaded the almost identical into the pre-existing image. I think it looks good. As for the other image, here's a scaled down version of it

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/6384/kw12ik.jpg

--Sauron18 07:04, 10 June 2006 http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1281/dkt19hb.jpg http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2420/dkt28gb.jpg
 * "Scaled down"? ;) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:09, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Haha, I have a tendency to scan them to...rather large proportions--Sauron18 07:12, 10 June 2006
 * Hey, now that I think about it, the image looks rather dark. I've created to lighter version, one lighter than the other, here they are, tell me which you think is better and I'll put that one:

--Sauron18 07:28, 10 June 2006
 * I decided to put the less lighter one since the lightest took away some details =)--Sauron18 08:05, 10 June 2006
 * The darker one is better. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 02:01, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Disastrous rule of two?
Under the rule of two, the Sith nearly wiped out all bout a handful of the Jedi, and brought the Galaxy under the control of a Sith Empire, the framework of which survived more then a hundred years after its founder's death to once again become the ruling galactic government (albeit, one not ruled by the Sith, and with out the totalitarian tendencies of Palpatine). Unless someone can come up with a compelling case why this language should stay, I'm removing the word "disastrous." --Jad Jermain 02:30, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The word was used in the new Insider issue, but yeah, you've got a good point. -LtNOWIS 03:03, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * In a way, the rule itself was a disaster, because there were only two Sith at a time; now, with Darth Krayt's order, there are plenty. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:22, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say the RoT was much smarter than the previous set-up. Darth Bane said with so many Sith at once, the Force would be thinned out among them. Hopefully this will happen here as well, so I can geet a good laugh at their utter failure. ;P VT-16 20:07, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * True... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:18, 11 June 2006 (UTC)