Wookieepedia:Comprehensive article nominations/Guardian (Venator-class)


 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a comprehensive article nomination that was unsuccessful. Please do not modify it.

Guardian (Venator-class)

 * Nominated by:  Agent Cards <> 03:08, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: My first run through this process, lets see if an article I started is good enough to be deemed comprehensive.

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 * Is the Jedi General mentioned the player? If so, we have an article of them (Unidentified Padawan (Clone Wars)). Also, since the player is apparently a Padawan, shouldn't they be a Jedi Commander, or are you promoted to Jedi Knight and Jedi General through the course of the game?  OLIOSTER  (talk) 11:20, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Jedi General is the player and the mission is only available once you become a Jedi Knight, hence why I put the rank of General.  Agent Cards <> 12:47, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you go and add "Description" and "Commanders and crew" sections (per WP:LG), you prolly have good GAN in your hands, any reason why not go for it? I know I was scared by it at time, now feel silly by it. (: –Tm_T (Talk) 11:51, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I basically just felt the article was too short to be in with the GANs. :D  Agent Cards <> 12:47, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and add 'em, as there's now infobox-only information AFAICS. (: –Tm_T (Talk) 14:28, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with Tm_T. Do a little more work on it while reading all its current objections then take it to GA nom. It's already over the word limit at 305 words anyway.  OLIOSTER  (talk) 16:49, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Are the majority of those infobox stats assumptions? Because if SW:CCS doesn't say that the Guardian had that amount of, for example, compliment, you can't have it. 1358  (Talk) 13:10, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * The stats are listed as standard for a Venator-class Star Destroyer, since there is no mention as to any modifications shouldn't the ship be treated as "stock"? If not please inform me as to why. :)  Agent Cards <> 12:53, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no reason why we 'should assume that this ship has the "normal" amount of, for example, compliment, to be honest. That is complete speculation. I suggest you remove everything that is not confirmed. 1358  (Talk) 13:41, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I removed the complements. Should I also remove the length and width and all the Venator-class info?  Agent Cards <> 03:13, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * See my objections below. 1358  (Talk) 17:42, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is the Guardian explicitly mentioned in Star Wars: Complete Cross-Sections, the databank entry you have listed, and Star Wars Annual 2011? I appreciate that you are using sources as references for some of the information contained in the article, but unless they actually mention the Guardian itself, they cannot be included in the article's source list. --Jinzler 14:45, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Databank and Cross-Sections sources are for Venator-class Star Destroyers which is what this ship is, as there is no mention of any special modifications to the ship it shouldn't it be treated as if it was stock straight out of Kuat Drive Yards? If I'm wrong please inform me as to why :).  Agent Cards <> 12:47, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * RE-read your statement and I think I may have misread it the first time around... I thought we couldn't reference/cite things that aren't listed in the article's sources section.  Agent Cards <> 13:10, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Star Wars Annual 2011 is just to source the 21 BBY date seeing as the game follows the TV series it has the same time frame.  Agent Cards <> 12:47, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * The "Sources" section of an article is only meant to list sources in which the article's subject matter itself has been mentioned, so in this case, only any sources that explictly mention the Guardian. It is perfectly acceptable to reference other sources to provide an article with background information, such as referencing Star Wars Annual 2011 for the 21 BBY date, but these sources should not be included in the article's source list. --Jinzler 13:21, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that if it was referenced it needed to be listed in the sources. Anyway thank you for that information, I have fixed it in the article.  Agent Cards <> 14:22, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Xd1358
 * For the infobox, I suggest you remove /everything/ that hasn't been confirmed. Please see GAs like Resilient and Redeemer for examples.
 * Is the armament confirmed? 1358  (Talk)  19:08, November 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * The ship name needs to be italicized in the infobox.
 * Fixed  Agent Cards <> 04:00, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Two unsourced facts in the infobox.
 * Fixed  Agent Cards <> 04:00, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ref 3 also needs to be italicized.
 * Fixed.  Agent Cards <> 06:42, November 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * "Crew members" in the infobox: Only one clone naval officer?
 * Updated.  Agent Cards <> 06:42, November 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was referring to have 'Clone naval officer' in plural. :) 1358  (Talk)  11:25, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why is hyperdrive capitalized in the quote?
 * It is capitalized in the quote because it is capitalized in the speech text in-game. I made it lowercase in the article now.  Agent Cards <<Talk!>> 04:00, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, then it should be capitalized. 1358  <sup style="color:#006600;">(Talk)  11:25, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * "&hellip;engaged the Separatist Supreme Commander of the Droid Armies, General Grievous, in battle." Article for the battle?
 * Mention that it was damaged during the battle; currently the intro just says "Though severely damaged...".
 * Fixed.  Agent Cards <<Talk!>> 07:06, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * "&hellip;the Guardian managed to repel its attackers and its crew were able to repair enough of the damages to escape to hyperspace.[2]" Huh? Why did they espace if they were able to repel the enemy?
 * Anything I would say would just be speculation on why but that is what happened in game.  Agent Cards <<Talk!>> 04:00, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * "The Guardian was a Venator-class that served&hellip;" Venator-class what?
 * Fixed  Agent Cards <<Talk!>> 04:00, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * "Marked with the red colors of the Republic&hellip;" Red colors of the Republic? Hmm? Cut out "of the Republic" would be my suggestion.
 * Cut.  Agent Cards <<Talk!>> 04:00, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Punctuation error at the beginning of the history; makes it choppy.
 * Fixed.  Agent Cards <<Talk!>> 07:06, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps add a sentence about KDY manufacturing it?
 * KDY removed so this is moot  Agent Cards <<Talk!>> 07:06, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Perhaps some small context on Serros, like his species?
 * Add race and gender.  Agent Cards <<Talk!>> 04:00, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nothing in the history. 1358  <sup style="color:#006600;">(Talk)  11:25, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * References go after commas.
 * Fixed.  Agent Cards <<Talk!>> 04:00, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Again, link for the battle?
 * Wait, what? The Guardian engaged General Grievous? o_O
 * Fixed.  Agent Cards <<Talk!>> 04:00, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Remains. The Guardian engaged ships under Grievous, not the general himself. 1358  <sup style="color:#006600;">(Talk)  11:25, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Article for the Jedi general?
 * Fixed.  Agent Cards <<Talk!>> 04:00, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * "The Jedi's plan was a success, and the constructed defenses held firm against the Droid Army's assault&hellip;" The droid army itself was not involved, afaik, the navy was.
 * "&hellip;allowing Republic technicians the time they needed to repair the Guardian's hyperdrive." Didn't they escape, per the intro?
 * Bts section header is improperly capitalized.
 * "The Republic Venator-class Cruiser, Guardian, first appeared&hellip;" Punctuation error; also, I thought the ship was a Star Destroyer, not a cruiser. Address the ships properly.
 * Star Destroyers are a type of cruiser... I did this to not repetitively write Star Destroyer, Star Destroyer, Star Destroyer, Star Destroyer.  Agent Cards <<Talk!>> 04:00, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Quotation marks go after periods.
 * Fixed.  Agent Cards <<Talk!>> 04:00, November 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * If no one minds me saying, you can do either; before quotation, or after, is a difference between US english and Canadian/British english. I've never really been clear on this sort of thing (e.g lightsaber color vs lightsabre colour), but AFAIK there's no rule about it, so...-- Bonslywizard Trade Federation Symbol.jpg( Send a transmission ) 16:52, November 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Our MOS disagree. (: –Tm_T (Talk) 17:02, November 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, so maybe there is a rule...darn it. :P-- Bonslywizard Trade Federation Symbol.jpg( Send a transmission ) 17:06, November 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Per Tm_T above, this article could use a commanders and crew section.
 * No more applicable categories?
 * Added another category.  Agent Cards <<Talk!>> 06:42, November 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1358 (Talk) 17:42, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * The word count for this is currently over 300. The limit for CA's is 250. Once everyone's done over here, this should be taken to the GAN.-- Bonslywizard Trade Federation Symbol.jpg( Send a transmission ) 21:01, November 14, 2010 (UTC)