Talk:Meetra Surik

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Question. What the heck is all this Uric Dromas stuff? I've never heard of it, I thought that Kotor2 was the first appearance of the Exile. So, what is he doing in EU books, and seriously what's with the bad typing? Is any of this stuff actually even remotely canon?
 * Welcome to Wookieepedia. First, please register. Second, please sign your comments, you will be given instructions when you register. Third, what do you mean by "Uric Dromas"? If you mean Ulic Qel-Droma, that character isn't connected to the Exile in any way. - Sikon [ Talk ] 17:05, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

If female Exile is canoned...
Will this article start refering to her as the canon female, like the Revan article does with the canon male preferance? And what art work will be used in the photo?


 * Sure, why not. Jasca Ducato 18:16, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes it will (I'll take care of that :)). However, Obsidian's promotional picture will probably be left, as it's the only known image of the Exile. - Sikon 17:01, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm sure someone can donate a photo (or in our case, a screenshot) (maybe myself, if no one else wants to) of a possible female Exile, and then we can edit any other article that mentions the Jedi Exile accordingly. - DAWUSS 7:19 PM 30 Jan 2005
 * If the female gender is canonized, then I'd suggest using the female face that they show in the little booklet you get with the game. Whenever they show the user in example screenshots, the face is that of a blond woman.Cull Tremayne 02:28, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

I like lightside male better.
 * Erm, ok. Jasca Ducato 19:51, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

"Can't we just pick light side male by default until it's decided by an official source?" -MPK

Dark Side Female
If the true ending is Dark sided Female then the Exile will be traind by Darth Revan
 * It will be a Light Side ending whatever the gender. QuentinGeorge 06:03, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Even better. It was Light side for the first so Revan will still train the Exile
 * There is no indication whatsoever that Exile was trained by Revan. First of all, (s)he couln't have been trained by Darth Revan, because Revan wasn't yet a Sith by the time of Exile's exilement. Yes, (s)he was a Padawan, and Revan and Malak were Knights by the time of the Mandalorian Wars, but it is unknown if Revan had an apprentice at all. By the way, I'm not so confident that the LS ending will be declared canon, but I think it most probably will be. - Sikon 06:28, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree with Sikon, we have no way of knowing which ending will be chosen as canon. Personally, i have come to beleive that nobody will always choose the same option when given a choice. So it is possible that the Exile could become a Darksider! Jasca Ducato 08:16, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I think the Exile is dark because The exile would give in to rage about being the last Jedi Master a Kill kreia in cold blood
 * I think Exile's lightside. Sure, the story between the Jedi Masters has more reason to it, but if you look at the fate of the planets, then I think lightside is the way to go. Besides, I'd rather see the Exile fall to the darkside in a sequel where she equips the Nihilus mask, almost similar to Anakin fully becoming Darth Vader with the armor and helmet. - DAWUSS 7:24, 30 Jan 2005
 * Edited the Jedi Exile article to make female references, though I still kept the LS ending DAWUSS 00:47, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Nothing official states the Exile to be female, so I reverted it back. And please don't upload new images over existing ones. - Lord Hydronium 00:59, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Adding Sith to infobox
And to answer your question Kuralyov, yes. He would have, Kreia says this when you play darkside ending. Jasca Ducato 08:50, 17 February 2006 (UTC) Well, I can admit when I'm wrong. Leland Chee posted not two days ago: "While an Exile gender determination is imminent, there hasn't yet been a call to determine which ending is to be considered canon." While I think the NEC pretty broadly hints at the light side ending, looks like they don't know after all. - Lord Hydronium 05:03, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't Sith be added to the infobox, at least until the character has been canonized? I mean, we have no idea what actually happened, for all we know he/she became the next Dark Lord of the Sith. Jasca Ducato 18:35, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, the light side ending is canonical. --Imp 18:37, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Source? Jasca Ducato 18:39, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It isn't canonical, but accepted as a convention here. - Sikon [ Talk ] 02:01, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Err, so? This is an encyclopedia, wikipedia whatever you want to call it. Unless a canonicity has been stated it should be mentioned that he could have joined the Sith. Only when the Jedi Exile has been confirmed to follow the lightside will i relent. Jasca Ducato 09:07, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. If Jaden Korr's article can't name a species, this one certainly shouldn't pick an ending. Unless, of course, it actually has been canonized and I'm just unaware of it. CooperTFN 09:10, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * While it doesn't specifically state it, the NEC strongly implies the light side ending. - Lord Hydronium 09:15, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Err, it would. I admit its normal for Leland Chee to choose the lightside endings over the darkside (*cry*) but he hasn't yet. Plus, the NEC "strongly implies" he remained on the light. It doesn't say he did. Jasca Ducato 09:19, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, strong implication is about as much as we'll probably get anytime soon. I say that makes it canon. Or at least canon enough to run with it here. CooperTFN 09:22, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Strong implication isn't canon. I could make an arguement that strongly implied Obi-Wan Kenobi was a Sith Lord, but it wouldn't make it canon. Jasca Ducato 09:32, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * You're not a canon source, though. And the NEC calls him a "hero" (referring specifically to his actions in the KOTOR II timeframe), and mentions that he "uncovered the origins of the Sith plot against the Jedi".  Neither of those phrases would really be used to refer to someone who destroyed the Jedi as a Sith. - Lord Hydronium 09:48, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Firstly Hydronium. I'm not saying i'm canon, never have never will. Secondly, like i've said before. Unless the NEC is George Lucas dressed up like a book i don't really care what it says unless canonicity on a subject has been established. Like this one! Jasca Ducato 09:57, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * For our purposes, that book is as canon as anything that comes out of Lucas. If we're disregarding information in it we might as well throw out 3/4 of the info on this site. CooperTFN 18:07, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * All i'm asking is that since canon hasn't been established we add Sith (possibly). If canon gets established then i'll agree to a change but since it hasn't. Its not like im asking for us to turn him in Darth Vader is it!?! Jasca Ducato 19:29, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * If the NEC references events that only happen in the light side ending, then that is canon being established. I don't understand what more you would want to see happen. CooperTFN 04:54, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Even if you played a dark side Exile, does that really mean he would have to turn Sith at the end? Kuralyov 04:56, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * For crien out loud CooperTFN i just bloody told you what i want! All i want is the addition of Sith (possibly) to the affiliations box. It may well be the in the future canon says he never joined the Sith, but until then!
 * I meant that I don't understand what you would consider proof of one ending being canon, because the NEC is as canon as anything else out there. CooperTFN 01:06, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I would consider Leland Chee or George Lucas being canon. IF the NEC specifically said he remained on the light then fine, but it doesn't. Jasca Ducato 09:00, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It doesn't state that Revan remained light either, but it references events that would only happen if that were so, and that's now the canon ending. The same applies here. CooperTFN 18:30, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't. But Leland Chee, head of Canonicity at Lucasart does. SO that is why i don't argue about Revan being a lightsider. But he hasn't declared the Jedi Exile a lightsider yet. Jasca Ducato 18:33, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The NEC is not less canon than Leland Chee. In fact, it's moreso, because Leland isn't an official document. Sometimes he suggests things that don't end up being the case. CooperTFN 18:47, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Tell me where it specifically says "The Jedi Exile stayed with the lightside of the Force"? IF it says that then i will relent, if it doesn't confirm his alignment then i'm changing it back. Jasca Ducato 15:26, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll be damned. Adding Sith back to the infobox. CooperTFN 07:39, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Imminent? Hmm. So the Lucasfilm continuity guys receive "calls" to determine certain elements of canon, right? I wonder who requested determining Exile's gender - maybe writers of the KOTOR comic? Would be sweet to have Exile mentioned in that one. - Sikon [ Talk ] 16:46, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Appearance
If this is the official appearance of the Exile, can I ask if it is also availiable in the game? When I started to play, I looked for this one (to be as canonical as possible :)), but couldn't find it. MoffRebus 16:06, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * He's there. On the Portrait selection, press Left until you see a guy with an Obi-Wan-class beard and hairstyle. Left again, and you see a guy who looks like Canderous. Press Left twice and there's our Exile - Kwenn 16:12, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * This is how Exile looked on promotional art, but as their canonical gender isn't set, neither is their appearance. - Sikon [ Talk ] 16:44, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Purpose of Second Quote
Is it really that necessary? It looks much better with only the first quote by Kreia.--LandoSystem1138 03:53, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

If a canon is established...
I think they should go with a female, since Revan is canonically considered male. As for a name, perhaps they should go with Lann Darth, since it's noted that there's an Easter egg when that name is used.

Speaking of which, does anyone know what the Easter egg is? I've been trying to acquire the name Lann Darth just to see what it is.

I'm clueless...
What is this, a secret Jedi Exile blanking cabal? Portions of the BTS section (those taking about gender ambiguity) have been removed thrice - by three different anons. - Sikon [ Talk ] 15:38, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, i've noticed that too. It's totally pointless because it doesn't even say that he/she has been given a definitve gender. Oh, and the name for these Anons is morons. Jasca Ducato 18:32, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Easter egg?

 * An easter egg exists when using the random name generator where the name Lann Darth is available.

Could anyone explain why this is an easter egg? "Darth" as a last name may be peculiar, but I'd hardly go so far as to call that an easter egg. Is the name supposed to resemble a better known one? 82.92.119.11 14:54, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

DS picture
Can we get the promotional picture of the DS male Exile? It looks just like the one in the article, but the opposite. I think that would fairly portray the two possibilites offered by the game. Varas Halcyon 12:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

nickname tag
Does anyone think this artical quaifies for a " " tag? His name was not "Jedi Exile" however he is called that IU LTIC so it doesn't quaifis for a " " tag.
 * For all we know his name might have been "Jedi Jospeh Exile" or some strange name like that. We could, but i don't really mind either way. Jasca Ducato 18:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Jedi Exile was NOT called "Jedi Exile" IU. - Sikon [ Talk ] 18:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Erm, seeing as thats what Darth Sion calls him, he is called it IU. Jasca Ducato 19:24, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * So add the tag?
 * In-game characters speaking English call him Exile, but I am not sure about Jedi followed by Exile. As in the first game, only aliens call him with the custom name. I vote for the tag anyway MoffRebus 01:04, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't get why this article is called 'Jedi Exile'. That name may be more self-explanatory, but in the game the character is almost exclusively called just the "Exile". (see Wookieepedia:Naming conventions)--Sentry 01:36, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * To repeat: in-game, he is just called "the exile". Without capitalization. - Sikon [ Talk ] 02:44, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * And capitalization is relevant why? In any case, the title of the article has be capitalized because the word exile would, in this context, be used as a proper noun.--Sentry 03:08, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Why not rename the article "The General." Sure there were lots of Jedi Generals, but given in context, it would be easily recognized. You would also be able to remove the nickname tag. My suggestion to Mr. Che is that The General be made official canon. Revan was easier to do, as the name the player chose was chalked up to a reprogrammed identity. The Exile doesn't have amnesia, so you can't blame the player chosen name on that.--PhilCarr 15:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC)