Talk:Darth Plagueis/Legends

Darth Plagueis appears in those two sources? I think they're just sources and not appearances. --SparqMan 21:18, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I added "(mentioned)" after them since he doesn't exactly 'appear'.

Sidious' knowledge
Sidious never actually learnt Plagueis' secret knowledge of life, did he? He says to Anakin that only one has achieved it, but he and Anakin can work together to discover the secret. --Fade 15:30, 27 May 2005 (UTC) --Master Starkeiller 22:30, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)We can never be sure. The story was told by Palpatine. Whatever he tells Anakin is not to be trusted.
 * Absolutly correct--Eion 15:34, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm gonna go ahead and sort that out, then. --Fade 15:36, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Speculation
"It has been speculated that, given that Anakin was supposedly born of a virgin birth, it is possible that Darth Plagueis was the one who influenced the midi-chlorians that 'fathered' Anakin, thus making him a sort of father by extension. Further speculation produces the possibility that this may have spurred Sidious into killing his master, so that he may take Anakin as his own, potentially as a vital piece in discovering the Plaugeuis' secret." -- as far as I know, that is completely OOU speculation. It probably should be moved to Behind the Scenes to keep it from being confused as IU fact. --SparqMan 15:06, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Done --Fade 15:13, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Char box
What is the point of a char box? We no nothing of Plagueis, other than Palpatine's aside mention of him. --SparqMan 00:23, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * We know they're both the same don't we? -- Riffsyphon1024 23:05, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

An Explanation for Plagueis' Murder and other Bits of Backstory
Having just acquired Vader: The Ultimate Guide, I wanted to incorporate the huge amounts of facts and implications in regards to Darth Plagueis. Among the new gossip are these crucial facts:

1.) From p. 7: "If the lore of the Sith Lords is to be believed, Anakin Skywalker began life as the byproduct of Sith experimentation. Darth Plagueis, a devotee of the dark side and lover of the numinous and arcane, developed a method of preserving life in those who were dying - and, taken to the extreme, of inducing the midi-chlorians to create out of nothing. Anakin Skywalker, who never had a biological father, is believed to have been the result of Darth Plagueis' vision. It remains unclear whether the deed came about through the efforts of Plagueis or through those of Plagueis' ambitious apprentice, Darth Sidious."

This changes the dynamic of the "miraculous birth" debate. If Sidious alone says something about Plagueis power to create life to Anakin, it cannot be taken seriously even if it does potentially answer where Anakin came from, because SIDIOUS LIES. A LOT. On the other hand, if some source other than Sidious' lying mouth says something to this effect, then it can be taken more seriously. Why would Sidious lie to himself about it? If he preserved this fact in Sith lore - and he would be the only one in a position to do so - then he probably meant what he said. This is the first piece of circumstantial evidence that Plagueis did indeed "father" Anakin. As to why it was Plagueis and not Sidious who did it, that is partially answered by the next fact.

2.) From p. 35: "Plagueis revealed to Sidious an experiment he'd conceived to create life directly from the midi-chlorians found in one's blood, potentially yielding a being of astounding power. Comprehending that any such being would amount to Sidious' replacement, the Sith apprentice murdered his master." There aren't a whole heap of recorded "miraculous births" out there with tremendous Force powers, so unless the "experiment" refers to someone other than Anakin, a predecessor, then this is more circumstancial evidence that Plagueis himself caused Anakin's "miraculous birth."

It also gives Sidious a specific motive for doing his master in: he killed Plagueis to save his job, as it were. An entire chain of events flows from this, including a series of decsions Sidious would have had to make in terms of what to do with Plagueis when he feared for his position. If you put yourself in his head, it is not hard to guess how his thought processes worked. As a side note, it also dates the death to 43 BBY, the date Anakin would have been conceived (assuming he took nine months to be born and that his birth was in the fourth month of 42 BBY). Palpatine would have been a senator for nine years by then, and Maul would have been eleven years old.

3.) From p. 35: "Darth Sidious had multiple pupils, beginning with the feral Sith Lord Darth Maul, whom Sidious raised and trained without Plagueis' knowledge." As I put into the article, why would Sidious care what Plagueis knew if he was already dead? This means that Sidious was breaking the cardinal rule of only two Sith behind his master's back, and though his reasons for this are not known, the most logical reason is that he was already planning to unseat Plagueis and become master himself, with Maul already prepared as an apprentice.

I've got more, but my fingers are tired. More later!


 * Could you remove the OOU statements you've put into the article? QuentinGeorge 05:52, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)


 * I'd be glad to, Quentin, as soon as I get near my computer tonight, when I'll have the time needed to do the edits. At the time, I hadn't been aware of the rules here for OOU materials, and my personal style tends to incorporate both (when you have to defend a fact you've cited, it seemed wise the have the source at hand). It's my fault, I should have checked the rules first. But let not your heart be troubled, I'l get 'er done. Otherwise, hope you like the article! Erik Pflueger 15:54, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)