User talk:JSarek/Archive1

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Headlines
Welecome to the Star Wars Wiki. Please be careful to use the appropriate headline size for section headers, as per the Manual of Style. ==Header== should come first, followed by ===Secondary Header===. If you have any questions, feel free to ask. --SparqMan 01:38, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Umm, checking both the style guide for this site, and the one on Wikipedia, there's no concrete instructions on when the two header sizes are appropriate. JSarek 02:24, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

LOTS more routes
Wow, that's alot of routes. Where did you get all those from? -- Riffsyphon1024 13:46, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * From a prior research project I engaged in a while back. I'm hesitant to copy-paste the entirety of my project into the wiki, but I'm quite happy to at least provide the names of the routes I came across to the list. JSarek 23:22, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Oooh, I just went there now, because I was not available after you posted it. That is a lot, and I see that you are using Nav-computer.com's maps for reference. It gives me the idea that maybe we can all come together for the largest SW project on the net. -- Riffsyphon1024 17:53, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Nav-computer.com is an awesome reference, one that I'm proud to say I've had a slight effect on (I've caught a few small errors and made a handful of minor suggestions to Carty that he's implemented). Anyway, if you're interested in issues of Star Wars cartography, the Galaxy Map Discussion Thread at the Official Site's forums is full of useful information and discussion with people like Carty himself, Holocron keeper Leland "Tasty Taste" Chee, Jason Fry, Dan Wallace, and others. JSarek 18:43, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

From KFan II
Dear JSarek, thank you for agreeing with me on merging same people! This is the beginning of a comfortable relationship if we establish one. I am currently working on Anakin Skywalker, which is Darth Vader + Anakin. KFan II 17:38, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * While I agree with you, I would definitely refrain from posting it until we get a confirmed vote on how those articles should be handled. Drastic changes to the Wiki (such as merging major articles) should definitely be handled democratically.  JSarek 18:26, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * While democracy is actually an illusion, I agree with you as well. I hope people will chose to merge Anakin and Vader. KFan II 21:00, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
 * It may be an illusion, but it is a necessary illusion. JSarek 22:46, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

JSarek!!!!!
On the Darth Sidious talk page, you voted for Palpatine and Sidious to be merged. I am glad you made this descision. But, have a question. WHY DID YOU VOTE TO PUT IT UNDER PALPATINE? You see, he just took on the name to take over Da Galaxy. It was not his real name, as he was taken at like 3 months of age to train as a Sith. He couldn't remember his name, obviously. And I don't think his Master, Darth Plagueis, cared. Do you get it? I hope so. Cheerios. KFan II 21:05, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Calm down, there is no need to yell. First off, do you have any *evidence* that Palpatine is not his real name, other than the young age at which he was taken (and what source is that from, anyway)?  All available evidence uses Palpatine for his name, and all existing sources use Palpatine for his name.
 * Secondly, you need to realize that this is a collaborative effort, that all of us take part equally in. There are certain changes (new articles, additions, small or factual corrections in existing articles) that we should feel free to make, but others (merging major articles, overwriting existing articles, deleting articles) should only be done after consulting the community.  You've already alienated a large number of people here with your insistence that the Palpatine/Sidious dispute only has one resolution - your resolution - and continuing to force the issue only makes this worse.  You've already been temporarily banned once for re-implementing changes that were repeatedly reversed by moderators.  Don't continue in courses of action that will only serve to weaken your case and possibly result in more severe reactions from the community. JSarek 22:46, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

How Strange

 * You just created an article on a route in Javin Sector. How strange that I would access the same map with the Galactic Guide tonight while searching for Sector info. -- Riffsyphon1024 09:19, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Heh, cool timing. ;-)  Yeah, that Galactic Gazetteer article is a wonderful source for information, be it on sectors, hyperspace routes, planets, or even history.  I've pulled several articles  out of it (Lutrillia, Varonat, Nothoiin Corridor, Nothoiin Route; and major chunks of Anoat, Ison Trade Corridor, and Corellian Trade Spine), and there are many, many more inside just waiting to be written.  JSarek 09:53, 26 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm off to rest for a few hours. The sun is just rising... -- Riffsyphon1024 10:07, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Award
For your hard diligent work of a monotonous task on List of companies and corporations and other things I present you with this Pit Droid Award of Diligence. -- Riffsyphon1024 15:40, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I proudly accept this award, and want to thank all of the little people who made this possible.  Look, one of them is right there on the award! ;-) JSarek 18:08, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Talz== ==

Hi -- I just noticed that whatever change you wanted to make to the Talz article doesn't appear in the history. You may want to try again. -- Silly Dan 01:40, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Ack. Thanks.  jSarek 21:42, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Thrawn Trilogy Sourcebook
Sarek: I have sent you a boards.theforce.net PM regarding a request for you to use your Thrawn Trilogy Sourcebook to help the Wookieepedia. Please read!

Tense
Hey jSarek! I just wanted to say 'Thanks' for your vote of confidence on the Style page. I guess we will see if other people like the explanation for using past tense, but it is always nice when someone agrees with your work. Many thanks for being bold and posting! --Culix 14:11, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Nice Research
I just saw your research on the Wookieepedia talk:Community Portal/Sides of the Force community debate page. Wow. Nice work! Thanks for putting in the effort. --Culix 04:40, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)

"Wish you could see the cats in previews..."
You can, you have to scroll right down to the bottom of the page to see them though :-) --Azizlight 10:50, 19 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Aha! So you can.  I wish I'd thought to gripe about this about six months ago. ;-) jSarek 10:52, 19 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Perlemian Trade Route stuff
Hola, jSarek -- know you from over at TF.N boards.

Anyways, had some thoughts on the founding of the Perlemian Trade Route (saw your comments on the "History" page there):

You mentioned that the Perlemian existed as far back as the Old Republic's founding, but in the game Knights of the Old Republic, it's stated that the Perlemian had only recently gotten established after the Great Sith War (the reason for Taris's recent rapid decay).

A retcon needed? Possibly.

Was racking my brain trying to think of the source which established the much earlier pioneering (RPG sourcebooks, Essential Guides, et cetera), but am coming up slightly empty. But anyways, if correct, it would seem there's now two conflicting official existences for the lane -- KotOR, and whichever other source that mentioned it during an earlier time.

Taking both the game and any other potential source at 100 percent face value, it could be that the Perlemian Trade Route -- or rather an earlier form of the Perlemian -- existed in some proto ur-form during the Republic's founding, but which was still subject to the hyperspatial-beacon setup that we know existed during that era.

Probably far more an an amalgamation of several lesser, smaller routes which -- 21,000 years later -- got reincorporated into one single, major designated lane from the Core to the Tion Cluster.

This entire concatenation works VERY well when one looks at the map and the overall ebb and flow of the battles of the Great Sith War (and the Great Hyperspace War, for that matter) -- the Republic's troop movements between Coruscant, Teta, and the Ziost/Korriban regions follow almost precisely the later run of the Perlemian, when there would have been a great urgency for steamlining and maintaining the military lines of supply.

War has traditionally been the womb in which most technological and social innovation gestates; prior to the Sith Wars, what was the past-and-future Perlemian might have still been but a vague entangling of varying navigational byways and switchbacks without any real central throughfare, perhaps having fallen apart into segregated hyperlane hubs (as we know from Taris having sat at such an intersection).

Thus, with the sudden onset of war engulfing the Republic...things must've cleared up quick, with the mad scramble to establish a single reasonably-navigable corridor from whence the Republic's military convoys could gain entrée to the Mid and Outer Rims. After the war ended -- not coincidentally a traditional period when trade and travel frequently booms -- the incorporation of the Perlemian Trade Route into the official galactic atlases was done, which tracks with KotOR's histories.

It's slightly detached in places, but it's a fix, and it takes all official LFL material into full account.

Thoughts on it?

-- The Bandsaw Vigilante
 * Hey, Leto II, right? (Blessed Be the search engines, for they let me Find Stuff Out.)  There are actually several references to the Perlemian being older than KotOR would indicate.  The reference I was citing was Geonosis and the Outer Rim Worlds, which states in its entry for Desevro, "A millennium later [after the fall of Xim the Despot ], Human traders claiming to hail from the center of the galaxy visited the Tion . . . Tion pirate fleets followed the new arrivals back down their so-called Perlemian Trade Route; there, they found rich planets bound in a loose, democratic union - and ill prepared for war."  I believe its antiquity is also stated in Star Wars: The Roleplaying Game, Second edition, which says that the Perlemian and the Corellian Run allowed the Colonies, Inner Rim, Expansion Region, and Mid Rim to be explored.  The Tales of the Jedi Companion, while not actually saying anything regarding the Route, supports the SWRPG with its map, showing the Perlemmian and Corellian as important routes leading from the Core Worlds to the Expansion Region, and beyond into the Frontier.  The Essential Guide to Planets and Moons is clearer, noting that "The first galactic scouts struck out from the Core Worlds along two stable hyperspace paths - the Perlemian Trade Route and the Corellian Run." So, I'm not sure how to treat what seems, from this evidence, to have clearly been a thriving and significant route that stretched from the Core to the Outer Rim well before KotOR takes place. jSarek 05:24, 24 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Yup, "Leto II" it is. (Forgot to mention my actual bluidie handle back there, for some inane, blonde-moment reason.)

Interesting information, particularly given that there is indeed a discrepancy betwixt two or three (or four) official LFL sources...that Geonosis and the Outer Rim Worlds entry is fascinating (dug it out for a first-hand look) with its "so-called [Perlemian]" notation, which might very well support the fanon theory of a "loose" Perlemian Trade Route existing in some antiquated form, then getting more completely pioneered/established/locked down after the Exar Kun war.

Wondering if we might briefly mention the up-and-down, ebb-and-flow history in the entry? That would at least account for the various conflicting official sources and the probable in-universe geohistorical "reasons."

Anyhoos, good talking to you again, and I'll see you out on the boards.

-- TBV / Leto II
 * Yeah, we should probably put in a Behind the Scenes note about this discrepancy. jSarek 06:05, 24 Oct 2005 (UTC)

some messages from Cilghal
1. Thanks for adding systems to so many sources! 2. Thanks for the info of the name of Endor's ocean 3. When I click on the links to the articles you recently edited, such as Tierfon, I instead get this:

" Parse error: parse error, unexpected ';', expecting T_OLD_FUNCTION or T_FUNCTION or T_VAR or '}' in /home/wikicities/wiki/skins/MonoBook.php on line 75 " any clue what's going on?
 * 1. You're welcome; just trying to get some of that huge Sourceless category thinned out a bit. 2. You're welcome; I had no idea that that impulse buy I made in May would actually prove useful. ;-) 3. Crap, I was getting that for Tierfon too. I thought it was just some minor error related to my editing it, but if it's happeneing for others, then it could be A Bad Thing (tm). On the other hand, it's not doing that for me now, so maybe whatever problem there was has cleared up; try loading it again, see if it's clear for you. jSarek 11:12, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)

CCG Text
I did paraphrase most of them, or at least added a sentence or two from the various book sources and stuff.

Immobilus was posting exact lore + picture, so you might want to watch that.

I also got permission to do the Makurth post from a Decipher employee, so I figure that would transfer over to the others as well.

Hello.
Just wanted to say thank you for the, ahh, personalized welcome. I'm glad to be here. :) Hopefully I'll be able to figure this out and make some kind of contribution. Or at least post this correctly. Dark Spork 05:21, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * So far so good Spork. Nice to see more females in the community helping out also. -- Riffsyphon1024 08:11, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)