Wookieepedia:AC/Log/2010 December 18

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[15:00]		Welcome all to AC Meeting 30. [15:00]		We'll begin with the first part of Santa's list, the pathetic lumps of coal from Meeting 29. [15:00]		First up: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Showdown_on_Coruscant [15:00]	*Jang|Away*	I just made it heh [15:01]		was originally extended from Meeting 28 [15:01]		http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Showdown_on_Coruscant [15:01]	-->|	ecks` (c082c5c3@gateway/web/freenode/ip.192.130.197.195) has joined #wookieepedia-agricorps [15:01]	=-=	Mode #wookieepedia-agricorps +o ecks` by chanserv [15:01]		yay! [15:01]		hey Xd [15:01]		Can we just be done with this article already? [15:01]		We just started. [15:01]		He seems to still be working on it. [15:01]		Looking at Showdown on Coruscant [15:01]		k [15:01]		The issue is that I just recently found new issues with it. [15:01]		He has yet to respond to these most recent items. [15:02]		I wouldn't mind an extend probe...again...with the caveat that we're getting tired of this. [15:02]		Lol [15:02]	<CavalierOne>	Extend with the caveat that it will be stripped next meeting if it is not ready. [15:02]	<ecks`>	extend per Cav [15:02]	<Tommy9281>	Cool [15:02]	<GrandMoffTranner>	I'd say "Kill immediately, and disallow any renomination," but I'd suppose that's fine. [15:02]	<Darth_Burger>	I'm good with that. [15:02]	<CC7567>	Extend, but grudgingly :P [15:02]	<CavalierOne>	No ifs, no buts. [15:02]	<CC7567>	I'll take a look at it if necessary [15:03]	<Jang|Away>	I say kill, but I'm good with extend. [15:03]	<Darth_Burger>	Showdown on Coruscant re-extended. [15:03]	<Tommy9281>	Extenze [15:03]	<Tommy9281>	Lol [15:03]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Githany [15:03]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Githany [15:03]	<Tommy9281>	Kill [15:03]	<Darth_Burger>	No change made. [15:03]	<Tommy9281>	I'll get to her later. [15:03]	<Jang|Away>	Kill [15:03]	<CavalierOne>	Kill then. [15:03]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Kill away. [15:04]	<ecks`>	Kill [15:04]	<Darth_Burger>	Kill [15:04]	<CC7567>	Kill [15:04]	<Darth_Burger>	Githany killed. [15:04]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Kessel [15:04]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Second_Battle_of_Kessel [15:04]	<Darth_Burger>	No change made. [15:04]	<CC7567>	Kill [15:04]	<Tommy9281>	Kill. [15:04]	<ecks`>	Kill [15:04]	<CavalierOne>	Kill then. [15:05]	<Darth_Burger>	Kill. [15:05]	<Jang|Away>	per above [15:05]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Kill. [15:05]	<Darth_Burger>	Second Battle of Kessel killed. [15:05]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dellis_Tantor [15:05]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Dellis_Tantor [15:05]	<Darth_Burger>	No change made. [15:05]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Killify. [15:05]	<ecks`>	Kill [15:05]	<Tommy9281>	Kil [15:05]	<Darth_Burger>	Kill. [15:05]	<Tommy9281>	L [15:05]	<CC7567>	Kill [15:05]	<CavalierOne>	Llik [15:05]	<Jang|Away>	Kill [15:05]	<Darth_Burger>	Dellis Tantor killed. [15:06]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Valenthyne_Farfalla [15:06]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Valenthyne_Farfalla_(second_review) [15:06]	<Tommy9281>	Kill [15:06]	<ecks`>	Kiil [15:06]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Kill the man-horse. [15:06]	<Jang|Away>	yeah, kill [15:06]	<ecks`>	^^ [15:06]	<CavalierOne>	Kill [15:06]	<Darth_Burger>	No change made. [15:06]	<CC7567>	Kill [15:06]	<Darth_Burger>	Kill. [15:06]	<Darth_Burger>	Valenthyne Farfalla killed. [15:06]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Grond_(Imperial) [15:06]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Grond_(Imperial) [15:07]	<Darth_Burger>	No change. [15:07]	<Tommy9281>	No mercy. [15:07]	<Jang|Away>	Poor Chack. :P heh [15:07]	<CC7567>	Kill [15:07]	<CC7567>	Sheesh. :/ [15:07]	<ecks`>	yeah, per Jang :P [15:07]	<Darth_Burger>	Hanzo's comment is not related to the original issue, FWIW [15:07]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Killtacular [15:07]	<Jang|Away>	Kill [15:07]	<ecks`>	kill it [15:07]	<Darth_Burger>	Kill [15:07]	<CavalierOne>	Kill [15:07]	<Darth_Burger>	Grond killed. [15:07]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/12,000_BBY [15:07]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/12,000_BBY [15:08]	<Darth_Burger>	For those unfamiliar, we sort of cleared this up at the Inqmoot. [15:08]	<CavalierOne>	Keep then. [15:08]	<Darth_Burger>	we established that 12,000 BBY is not a hard enough date for the Morseerian info [15:08]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Keep. [15:08]	<Darth_Burger>	Keep/no probe [15:08]	<CC7567>	Keep [15:08]	<Darth_Burger>	er, wait [15:08]	<Tommy9281>	Keep. [15:08]	<Darth_Burger>	it was already probed :P [15:08]	<Jang|Away>	heh [15:08]	<Jang|Away>	keep [15:08]	<ecks`>	keep [15:09]	<Darth_Burger>	12,000 BBY kept. [15:09]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Coruscant_(Great_Hyperspace_War) [15:09]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Battle_of_Coruscant_(Great_Hyperspace_War) [15:09]	<Darth_Burger>	Tommy made some changes. [15:09]	<Darth_Burger>	Tommy? [15:09]	<Tommy9281>	You can kill if you want. [15:09]	<Darth_Burger>	Not updated? [15:09]	<Tommy9281>	Its not nearly ready by my standards. [15:09]	<Darth_Burger>	or whatever the issue is [15:10]	<Darth_Burger>	that's good enough for me [15:10]	<Tommy9281>	Give me some time, I'll clean it up. [15:10]	<Tommy9281>	It'll be awhile though, [15:10]	<CavalierOne>	Time before next meeting? [15:10]	<ecks`>	Kill it and let Tommy fix it later? [15:10]	<Tommy9281>	I'm away from my materiel indefinitely [15:10]	<CavalierOne>	Fair enough, then kill. [15:10]	<Darth_Burger>	it's short enough that we could give it a fresh review at some point later [15:10]	<Tommy9281>	Yup. [15:10]	<Darth_Burger>	Kill [15:10]	<CC7567>	Kill, per Xd [15:10]	<ecks`>	Kill [15:10]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Alright, kill. [15:10]	<Tommy9281>	Kill [15:11]	<Darth_Burger>	Battle of Coruscant (GHW) killed. [15:11]	<Darth_Burger>	Moving on to Santa's shiny new toys. [15:11]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Teckla_Minnau [15:11]	<Darth_Burger>	# Teckla Minnau - will need an update from Pursuit of Peace. Toprawa and Ralltiir 02:37, December 4, 2010 (UTC) [15:11]	<Darth_Burger>	* Update done, and I'll get to that intro redlink...eventually. CC7567 (talk) 12:56, December 5, 2010 (UTC) [15:11]	<Darth_Burger>	o Both redlinks in the article gone. CC7567 (talk) 05:36, December 11, 2010 (UTC) [15:11]	<ecks`>	No probe. [15:11]	<Tommy9281>	Keep [15:11]	<CavalierOne>	No probe. [15:11]	<Darth_Burger>	No probe [15:12]	<GrandMoffTranner>	No probe. [15:12]	<Darth_Burger>	Any others? [15:12]	<Jang|Away>	Keep [15:12]	<CC7567>	Abstain for me [15:12]	<Darth_Burger>	Teckla Minnau not probed. [15:12]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Galney_(Lady) [15:12]	<Darth_Burger>	# Galney (Lady) - has multiple sources, needs to be fully referenced. Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:41, December 4, 2010 (UTC) [15:13]	<Darth_Burger>	Floyd fixed it. [15:13]	<ecks`>	No probe [15:13]	<Tommy9281>	He did. [15:13]	<Tommy9281>	No probe [15:13]	<Darth_Burger>	No probe. [15:13]	<CavalierOne>	No probe. [15:13]	<GrandMoffTranner>	No probe. [15:13]	<CC7567>	No probe [15:13]	<Jang|Away>	Per above [15:13]	<Darth_Burger>	Galney (Lady) not probed. [15:13]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Acros-Krik [15:13]	<Darth_Burger>	# Acros-Krik - Virtually no linking at all in the bio. Also, there is no context on several vital subjects in the bio. Even the character himself appears completely out of the blue in the bio. 1358 (Talk) 19:08, December 5, 2010 (UTC) [15:14]	<Darth_Burger>	good points all around [15:14]	<Darth_Burger>	the bio starts out very rough [15:14]	<CC7567>	Probe [15:14]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Probe. [15:14]	<ecks`>	Probe [15:14]	<Jang|Away>	probe [15:14]	<CavalierOne>	Probe [15:14]	<Darth_Burger>	Probe [15:14]	<Tommy9281>	Probe [15:14]	<Darth_Burger>	Acros-Krik probed. [15:14]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kolto [15:14]	<Darth_Burger>	# Kolto - at least one unsourced item. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:43, December 11, 2010 (UTC) [15:14]	<Darth_Burger>	* I suppose this is done now. –Tm_T (Talk) 20:02, December 16, 2010 (UTC) [15:14]	<Darth_Burger>	o Article still needs infobox along with some general cleanup. (context, linking) 1358 (Talk) 20:11, December 16, 2010 (UTC) [15:15]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Bah. Bullets in the BTS! [15:15]	<CavalierOne>	Kill! [15:15]	<Darth_Burger>	Tm fixed the ref, but I do think there are other issues. [15:15]	<CavalierOne>	I mean ... probe. [15:15]	<Darth_Burger>	the bullets could be profisied, for one [15:15]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Probe. [15:15]	<Tommy9281>	Probe. [15:15]	<Jang|Away>	Probe [15:15]	<Darth_Burger>	we have a Device infobox for this type of thin [15:15]	<Darth_Burger>	g [15:15]	<Darth_Burger>	Probe [15:15]	<ecks`>	Probe [15:16]	<Darth_Burger>	Kolto probed. [15:16]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Romba [15:16]	<Darth_Burger>	Romba - I find the BTS a rather hodgepodge collection of stray facts and very little overall direction. All the information seems to be there, but I'd just like to see it organized a little more traditionally according to our general style on BTS writing; i.e., mentioning first appearance(s), actors who portrayed the character, and then delve into the canonical development of the character... [15:16]	<Darth_Burger>	...and any inconsistencies and notes. In other words, it would benefit from an overall rewrite and reorganization. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:27, December 15, 2010 (UTC) [15:17]	<CavalierOne>	Probe [15:17]	<CC7567>	Probe [15:17]	<Jang|Away>	yeah, probe [15:17]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Probe. [15:17]	<ecks`>	probe [15:17]	<Tommy9281>	Probe [15:17]	<Darth_Burger>	Probe [15:17]	<Darth_Burger>	Romba probed. [15:17]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Space_Battle_at_Kuat [15:17]	<Darth_Burger>	# Space Battle at Kuat - the level provides individual names for each of the Rebel CR90 corvettes participating in the battle, and as far as I can see the names stay consistent each time you play the level, meaning they're not randomly assigned ship names as in some other levels. This should be detailed in the infobox and the article proper. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:37, December 17, 2010 (UTC) [15:17]	<Darth_Burger>	* There are also Imperial orbital sensor pods strewn throughout the level, which are destroyed in the battle. These also deserve to be mentioned in the infobox/article. Redlink would need to be filled in too. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:52, December 17, 2010 (UTC) [15:18]	<Darth_Burger>	the redlink was redirected to the article for the sensor pods [15:18]	<Jang|Away>	bah, Empire at War [15:18]	<CC7567>	Probe [15:18]	<CavalierOne>	Probe [15:18]	<Tommy9281>	Probe [15:18]	<Jang|Away>	probe [15:18]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Probe. [15:18]	<Darth_Burger>	Probe [15:18]	<ecks`>	probe [15:18]	<Darth_Burger>	Space Battle at Kuat probed. [15:19]	<Darth_Burger>	ok, moving onto the Maintenance Page [15:19]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nothoiin_%28species%29 apparently needs an update [15:19]	<CC7567>	Anyone have access to it? [15:20]	<CC7567>	(the source?) [15:20]	<CavalierOne>	I do. [15:20]	<Darth_Burger>	yeah [15:20]	<Jang|Away>	Journal 5 [15:20]	<Darth_Burger>	AJs are pretty common [15:20]	<Tommy9281>	I don't quite understand this maintenance page [15:20]	<CavalierOne>	Dammit. I just volunteered for something, didn't I? [15:20]	<CC7567>	Heh :P [15:20]	<ecks`>	it could use some general cleanup as well [15:20]	<ecks`>	Tommy: It picks pages from the GA category and various maintenance cats [15:21]	<Darth_Burger>	Vote for probe for update? [15:21]	<CavalierOne>	Probe [15:21]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Probe. [15:21]	<Tommy9281>	Probe [15:21]	<Jang|Away>	probe [15:21]	<ecks`>	probe [15:21]	<Darth_Burger>	Probe [15:21]	<CC7567>	Probe [15:21]	<Darth_Burger>	Nothoiin probed. [15:22]	<Darth_Burger>	ok, we should establish our policy now on this new TOR preview [15:22]	<ecks`>	gtg [15:22]	<Darth_Burger>	am I understanding this correctly that some articles need probes based on a three-chapter preview on the new novel coming out in May, is it? [15:22]	<Darth_Burger>	later Xd, thanks for coming [15:22]	|<--	ecks` has left freenode (Quit: Page closed) [15:22]	<GrandMoffTranner>	March, actually. [15:22]	<Darth_Burger>	or need updates*, not probes [15:22]	<GrandMoffTranner>	But pretty much. [15:22]	<Darth_Burger>	March, then [15:23]	<CavalierOne>	However, the problem is that I think some articles are written with preview info as well. [15:23]	<CavalierOne>	Articles from comics, for instance, will use the DH previews. [15:23]	<CC7567>	Is there a specific issue with updating on a preview vs. the actual source? [15:24]	<Darth_Burger>	not really an issue as much as preference, I guess [15:24]	<CavalierOne>	I've no specific problem with including previews or not, but I know its been done in the past, and that I've done it, especially with Treis Sinde's article, so others /will/ do it. [15:24]	<Darth_Burger>	personally, I dislike updating stuff based on previews [15:25]	<Darth_Burger>	I'd rather wait until the thing comes out and do it once we have a final released product [15:25]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Per Tope. [15:25]	<Jang|Away>	Sounds good [15:25]	<Darth_Burger>	though that's my preference, I'm not necessarily advocating that [15:25]	<Darth_Burger>	I'm comfortable going with whatever the flow is here [15:25]	<Darth_Burger>	you guys decided [15:25]	<CC7567>	I'm a bit split on this one, since a preview technically is new info [15:25]	<Darth_Burger>	decide* [15:25]	<CavalierOne>	So will this apply to just updates on existing GAs, or on GANoms as well? [15:25]	<Tommy9281>	Later fellas [15:26]	|<--	Tommy9281 has left freenode [15:26]	<Darth_Burger>	Cav> we should keep it consistent either way [15:26]	<Darth_Burger>	the overarching issue is that we don't have a policy on preview info, really [15:26]	<Darth_Burger>	site-wide, that is [15:26]	<CavalierOne>	Agreed. [15:26]	<CavalierOne>	Maybe we should CT something then. [15:26]	<Darth_Burger>	there's nothing restricting the info from being added in [15:27]	<Darth_Burger>	but we digress, sort of [15:27]	<Darth_Burger>	our issue is whether we want to probe these few articles based on a larger update coming in March [15:27]	<CC7567>	I personally try to keep my articles updated with preview info, but that's mostly so no one else will end up adding gibberish to them [15:27]	<GrandMoffTranner>	One way or another, they'll have to get updated. Why not wait until the book is released? [15:28]	<Darth_Burger>	is it really that difficult just to update the articles? [15:28]	<CavalierOne>	Like CC, I update with preview info, but I'm not adverse to waiting in this case considering - especially in Malgus' case - the vast update it will need. [15:28]	<Darth_Burger>	they've already shown that people are going to attempt to update them [15:28]	<Darth_Burger>	we might as well maintain the quality of GA status [15:29]	<CavalierOne>	And there's the other side of the coin, of course. [15:29]	<CavalierOne>	By not adding preview info, it isn't technically up to date. [15:30]	<CavalierOne>	And, the Alara CAnom shows that users are using info from the preview. [15:30]	<Darth_Burger>	just for the record, where was this info released again? [15:30]	<Darth_Burger>	this preview [15:30]	<CavalierOne>	Chapter 2, SW.com [15:30]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Three websites: TOR.com, SW.com, and Rebelscum.com. [15:30]	<CavalierOne>	20 page preview. [15:30]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Chapters 1, 2, and 3, respectively. [15:30]	<Darth_Burger>	those are all obviously more than legitimate sources for our purposes [15:31]	<CavalierOne>	Indeed. [15:31]	<Darth_Burger>	We might as well just update the articles. [15:31]	<Darth_Burger>	If people are going to attempt to update them anyways, then it's our responsibility to see that it's done correctly [15:31]	<Darth_Burger>	based on that, I think we should probe [15:32]	<Darth_Burger>	it's not like it's going to be a huge update [15:32]	<Darth_Burger>	20 pages is nothing [15:32]	<CavalierOne>	That's only one chapter. [15:32]	<Darth_Burger>	well, either way [15:32]	<CavalierOne>	If its uniform, more like a 60 page update. [15:32]	<CavalierOne>	But I digress. [15:32]	<Darth_Burger>	that's pretty significant, depending on much info there is for each subject [15:33]	<Darth_Burger>	in which case people will be coming to our wiki looking for info on this stuff [15:33]	<Darth_Burger>	is it not our duty to present this info to them from officially licensed sources? [15:33]	<CavalierOne>	And TOR is trending high ... [15:33]	<Darth_Burger>	The articles should be updated. [15:33]	<Darth_Burger>	And if they aren't updated, I think we should probe them. [15:34]	<CC7567>	Per Tope on this one [15:34]	<Darth_Burger>	the only possibly leeway I can see is if this stuff was just released this week or something [15:34]	<Darth_Burger>	which is what we did for Vortex FAs [15:34]	<Jang|Away>	Later guys [15:34]	<CavalierOne>	Then maybe leave it for this session, but list for next? [15:34]	<GrandMoffTranner>	I believe the previews /were/ released this week. [15:34]	<GrandMoffTranner>	I could be mistaken, however. [15:35]	<CC7567>	SW.com was released this week [15:35]	* Darth_Burger	is trying to find it [15:35]	<Darth_Burger>	all right [15:36]	<Darth_Burger>	per what we did with Vortex, I would be ok with giving it until next meeting to get updated, and then probe anything that's not ready to go [15:36]	<GrandMoffTranner>	It looks like they were released yesterday, acutally. [15:36]	<GrandMoffTranner>	*actually [15:36]	<CC7567>	Hold off probe till next meeting if necessary [15:37]	<Darth_Burger>	Agreed [15:38]	<Darth_Burger>	Cav, Tranner? [15:38]	<CavalierOne>	Agreed. [15:39]	<GrandMoffTranner>	I suppose since they are my articles, I'll abstain. [15:39]	<Darth_Burger>	ok, agree to wait until next meeting to examine them [15:39]	<Darth_Burger>	that's it, then [15:39]	<Darth_Burger>	does anyone have anything they'd like to discuss? [15:39]	<CavalierOne>	AC Secret Santa? [15:40]	<CavalierOne>	:P [15:40]	* CC7567	gives Cav a pipe bomb [15:40]	<CC7567>	Merry Christmas :P [15:40]	<Darth_Burger>	haha [15:40]	<CavalierOne>	;0 [15:40]	<CavalierOne>	:) [15:40]	<CavalierOne>	B) [15:40]	<Darth_Burger>	Meeting 30 is hereby adjourned. [15:40]	<Darth_Burger>	Xd has volunteered for post-meeting paperwork.