Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Wedge Antilles (second nomination)

Wedge Antilles

 * Nominated by: Havac 09:12, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: I am truly sorry. Havac 09:12, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) Well...it ate up 20 minutes of my time, but I'm glad I read it. I've always wondered why this article wasn't a featured article. The article was great, and I'm honored to be the first to vote! --Gmalek ( The ability to edit does not make you intelligent ) 10:59, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Very good. Includes all his obscure appearances in video games. Corellian PremierAll along the watchtower 17:10, July 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Looks nice...maybe just change the main image to a headshot of him with his helmet on. Otherwise, you've succeeded in making the longest article on the site!--ID-21 Dolphin 02:39, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Would be nice to have the header quote be one from the films, but sure. Karohalva 16:31, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Would be nice to have the header quote be one from the films, but sure. Karohalva 16:31, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Good, good, whole wheat Shreddies

 * Intro: Is there an article for Wedge and Iella's wedding? I went to pipelink it, but couldn't find one when I searched. If not, go for it!
 * Boyhood: Should "Veggies" be bolded, as it's not in the intro?
 * Victory at Yavin: Context needed on Darth Vader (Supreme Commander or something).
 * It's "the" Millennium Falcon, surely?
 * "Dodonna called a briefing including Antilles and Skywalker, with whom Antilles was already very friendly" --- should that first Antilles be Solo?
 * I recommend that you go through the article again and add more links. I've only done Section 1.1 so far, and I've already added over fifty. Admittedly, I link more than is probably healthy, but The galaxy, cockpit, superweapon, Realspace, pilot, Corellian, smuggler, starship, cantina, captain, planet, and moon are examples of some pretty major ones that were missing.
 * Done to the end of 1.1. Booyaka! Menkooroo 12:58, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Forming Rogue Squadron: Does Luke's mission to Jazbina have an article? As it's referred to as a mission, it probably should.
 * There is no article. Havac 01:04, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Caaaaan you make one?
 * I suppoooooooose. Havac 06:23, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * "They were surprised by a trio of stormtroopers..." Where? Have they boarded the Stellar Manx? Do they board it at all? I'm a little confused.
 * No, I'd have mentioned if they boarded it. They're just kind of hanging out observing the freighter, and the stormtroopers jump them. Havac 01:04, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * You consistently refer to C-3PO and R2-D2 as "it" --- shouldn't their masculine programming warrant "he"?
 * Well, they're robots. Most generic droids get an it, even if their programming is generically masculine. As droids without an actual sex, I went with it. Havac 01:04, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Although I disagree, there is no policy on this. Curses!
 * Plague on Gobindi: I really hate to do this... but if Wedge's three rebel companions appear in the book, have dialogue, are attacked by blobs, etc, they should really have "Unidentified blah blah blah" articles. "Gobindi script" and the blob creatures should have articles, too.
 * Found an article on the blobs and on Gobindi language. Created articles on the Rebels. Havac 01:04, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Escape from Yavin: The unidentified jungle world where they meet Able... article?
 * Made. Havac 01:04, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is "spymaster" a formal title? ie, worthy of an article?
 * No. Thank God. Havac 01:04, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * This rebel agent who does a whole buncha stuff --- Is he the player character of Galaxies, and is he a specific enough character to warrant an article?
 * Yes, just the generic Galaxies PC. Who isn't specific enough to get an article, as each mission or series of missions could be carried out by a different PC, and many of them require PCs of different alignments, etc. Havac 01:04, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Article, article, article! Menkooroo 14:40, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Running the Rogues: Does the Rebel Alliance Sourcebook explicitly identify "Alliance Starfighter Command"? I can't find any reference to this body on the wook, but if it does, in fact, exist --- article? I was going to pipelink Alliance Starfighter Corps, but that seems to be a distinct non-naval branch.
 * "Antilles quickly drew and shot her." What did he draw?
 * A Second Death Star: The third paragraph contains a lot of extraneous information at the end. Everything after "Antilles received a message for Skywalker:" should probably be trimmed down --- everything from "Skywalker, sobered by the belief..." could probably be cut entirely, as it isn't really relevant to Wedge; the part about Rendar vs. the missile before that also kind of reads like it's already been introduced to the reader. Menkooroo 02:52, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * New threats and the New Republic: "...his fighter was badly damaged by clipping a TIE fighter in the utter darkness of the cloudy night sky." Can you be more specific? ie, which cloudy night sky? Unidentified planet? Article, maybe? It's a big galaxy, and "the" cloudy night sky is too vague. Menkooroo 02:56, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Royal surprise: "Cartariun used the Sith powers..." which ones? Are they his, do they come from the temple?
 * The prior sentence says he's using the Temple's power. I've tweaked the sentence; see if you like it. Havac 07:06, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Push into the core: I'm a bit confused --- Is the entire 181st at Oradin? You say that Fel was actually at Oradin and "led his squadron back to Vuultin", immediately after saying that the 181st pilots were at Vuultin and shooting down Janson and Ibtisam. Did Fel leave a few pilots behind at Vuultin? If that's the case, I recommend changing "led his squadron" to "led most of his squadron" or something similar. Menkooroo 06:06, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * The 181st is a three-squadron wing. So Fel had two squadrons at Oradin and one at Vuultin. I've clarified. Havac 07:06, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Trial by fire: The paragraph where Wedge adjudicates the good-natured dispute contains a lot of detail that's play-by-play and probably extraneous to Wedge. Can you cut it down... considerably?
 * The only way to do the dispute is to have the detail, or else it doesn't make sense. It's one of those things that sucks because it's so complex you have to go into it way deeper than you want to. So I can cut it down entirely, if you want. Havac 07:50, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think cutting it down entirely might be the better choice, yeah. Something like sticking "In the celebration on Talasea afterward, Antilles, Celchu, and Captain Afyon of the Eridain were called on to adjudicate a good-natured dispute among the pilots as to who the best and worst among their ranks were." onto the end of the previous paragraph and leaving it at that. The rest is basically a conversation between Horn and Jace, ya know?
 * Throughout the article, "Terrik" is alternately used for both Booster and Mirax, which is genuinely confusing. There are a few particularly odd instances, such as when the Virulence is surrendered to Terrik (Booster), and in the next paragraph, Terrik and Horn get married. I think it would be easier if you picked one of them and stuck with their first name throughout the article --- I always do it with Roan and Marasiah, and it keeps things clear and unambiguous.
 * Well, "Terrik" is always the last named Terrik, and context generally makes it clear -- Corran's not marrying Booster. Though I'm sure there's a fanfic out there like that. So I cleared up that instance, where I hadn't used the first names liberally enough, you're right. Havac 07:50, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. If I find any more confusing instances, I'll let you know. ... Or sofixit, or something.
 * The conquest of Coruscant: End of the sixth paragraph --- what did Celchu arrive in, and how did he kill them? Menkooroo 18:30, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Clarified. Havac 07:50, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Plague and prosecution: "and realized it was she who was Isard's spy in the unit" makes it seem like the existence of a spy has been mentioned before. Can you either mention the possibility of a spy beforehand, or, if that's not relevant to Wedge, change the wording of this sentence?
 * I think this should make things clearer. Havac 07:51, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as creating a separate article for Lusankya, the unitalicized prison, I say go for it. The two are different enough that I'll consider it an objection. Menkooroo 15:46, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Created. Havac 07:51, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * The last Grand Admiral: Why not mention that Wedge acted as the fake point man for Han's meeting with Dravis? A few words could do it without being play-by-play or extraneous.
 * Mentioned. Havac 19:25, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Were there several Imperial attacks on Bpfassh, or was Bpfassh the site of one of many attacks all over the place? I was going to change "one of the attacks" to "an Imperial attack" but I wasn't quite sure.
 * Bpfassh was part of a wider campaign of simultaneous attacks. Clarified. And I chose your exact wording before I saw your suggestion. Go figure. Havac 19:25, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * The first couple sentences of this section's fourth paragraph use some repetitive phrasing. Could you change it up?
 * Hopefully that's better. Havac 19:25, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it necessary to identify Thrawn by his full name? Seems a bit... odd. A pipelink would be better, I think.
 * Yes it is! If it's just a casual mention of him, I'll often pipelink it, but here, where I have the room to mention his actual name before going with the abbreviated form, I'd prefer to be more accurate. Havac 19:25, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Where was the briefing Ackbar called Wedge to? If it weren't for the above-the-shield bit, I'd assume Coruscant.
 * It's aboard a Star Cruiser somewhere. Totally generic. Ackbar was on the front when Thrawn did his asteroid thing, allowing him to be out there for the battling while everyone else is trapped under the shield. Wedge was actually last seen on Coruscant like a day before the battle, then shows up outside the shield at this briefing, necessitating the mention that he was obviously above the shield when Coruscant was cut off so that nobody's going, "What, what?" I've tweaked it a bit, and I hope that it's clearer now. Havac 19:25, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * The world near Tangrene they were on will need an article. :^D Menkooroo 16:00, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * The list of articles that owe their existence to Wedge Antilles grows . . . Havac 19:25, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Does Wedge appear in every issue of the HTTE, DFR, and TLC comic adaptations? Also, all the Empire arcs, etc? If not, you'll have to change the appearances section to only include the individual issues that he appears/is mentioned in, as per the layout guide. I know you've argued against this before, but, ya know, policy and consensus. Menkooroo 05:05, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Havac 04:57, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ooooh, well done.
 * Building the peace: Does I, Jedi specify which New Republic Council Horn appeals to (Provisional, Ruling, Inner ... )?
 * Found it. Havac 04:57, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you find some way to work a mention of Durron having recovered the sun crusher from the gas giant into the narrative? The articles states that he sent it into the sun's heart, and then a few paragraphs later he's piloting it. It's like "Wait, what?"
 * Good catch. Worked. Havac 04:57, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * "reduced to only the superlaser and the minimum necessary to support it" --- Something's needed after "minimum"; it just doesn't read right without it. Menkooroo 15:17, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Something is after minimum now. Havac 04:57, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems unnecessary and extraneous to note that Antilles was not involved in the fighting of the black fleet crisis. Stating that it broke out and that A'baht defeated the Duskhan League would be enough of a conclusion to the paragraph, and you can state that Wedge wasn't involved by not stating it at all. Menkooroo 15:32, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but that was kind of my way of getting in the "That's where this goes, so it's not a totally random thing leaping into the Wedge narrative and then disappearing" while also keeping Wedge in the sentence to help keep it itself from being a random thing leaping into the Wedge narrative. Took it out, though. Havac 04:57, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Didn't Wedge attend a private reception for Stackpole-only characters after Luke and Mara's ceremony (that might be worth mentioning)? Or am I just basing that idea off of an inaccurate article on the wedding ... ? Menkooroo 16:21, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * After the wedding, there's one page of the people we know dancing. Wedge may be in the background or may not, but there's nothing to establish it as a private reception. Unless the article is basing itself on some CUSWE fanon imported via the CSWE or something, that wedding article is wonky. Which it already seems to be on a few other details. Havac 17:30, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think that Chak and Wynssa's survival can be sourced to Ruin. Menkooroo 00:35, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * It says that he's got four siblings and two are dead. The rest is just applying names, which it seems a bit silly to source. No one runs around scrabbling for Star Wars Screen Entertainment when saying Wilhuff Tarkin did something in ANH. Havac 00:45, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, OK. I didn't think the five-kids reference came until Dark Journey. My mistake. Menkooroo 00:50, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Darklighter's quote should really be paraphrased.
 * Why? Encyclopedias use quotes in the body all the time, when it's a relevant quote. Any attempt to paraphrase would just involve using slightly different words to say it more awkwardly. Havac 08:52, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not directly quoting in general that I'm after, but rather this specific one. It just seems kind of... off, probably because of the "son" at the beginning. And I have to wonder if including the entirety of a long quote like that isn't giving too much detail.
 * Long? It's one sentence. Two clauses. I just don't get what's off about it. Can you be more specific? Havac 03:49, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe it seems off because it's the only body-quote within the article longer than a couple of words, and as such, it kinda comes out of nowhere and sticks out like a sore thumb. I'm not too hardcore on this, but it does seem a little off. I've had inquisitors advise me against using direct quotes in FAN's before, so I think it automatically set off a flag for me, ya know?
 * Can you establish that Wedge commanded from the Mon Mothma at the beginning of the Bilbringi stuff? It's currently only kinda indirectly revealed at the end after a couple of confusing sentences.
 * Established. Havac 08:52, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Article time: Contruum's moon! Menkooroo 11:15, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Contruum has two moons, and this moon in question might be Contruum Six, so I'd feel more comfortable leaving this incidental mention as a non-article. Havac 08:52, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * During the Ganner Squadron battle: Does Exile specify which side of the battle the attacking frigate is on?
 * It's implied strongly to be Corellian. Added. Havac 08:52, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Centerpoint Ambush: article?
 * Surprised we don't have one. I'll create it. Havac 08:52, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it the troop transport that in fact carries the Jedi sabotage team, or is it Centerpoint? If the former --- why does Wedge want to harass it? Is it a mistake? Does he realize his error? Can you give me just a little bit more? Menkooroo 05:58, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Clarification powers, activate! Havac 08:52, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Are there any instances, other than the bit in Lucky, of Wedge being described as lucky? The "Mala" section of the relationships makes it seem like the idea's already been introduced, but it seems conspicuously absent from the p & t.
 * I'm not sure exactly what you mean. The lucky thing is brought up at Mala's death in the bio section; putting it in the article three times seems like overkill. Arguably, stuff like wanting a homeworld girl could be in his P&T, too, but like that, it fits so smoothly in the Relationships section that it seems pointless to duplicate it in P&T too. Havac 09:48, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, should have clarified --- I'm wondering if there are any other sourcebooks or novels or anything that talk about Wedge being thought of as incredibly lucky. If it appears a few times in canon, it should maybe be in the p & t, but if it's just Lucky that discusses it, it's fine as it is.
 * Well, he's occasionally passingly described as lucky, like any other character, but nothing significant. Lucky is the only thing to deal with the issue. Havac 03:49, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * There's some pbp in Iella: "When he first spoke to her, he sensed a distance from her, and asked if they had stopped being friends during their time apart. She said they had, but to Antilles's consternation would offer no more explanation." Can you trim it down?
 * That's one of those tricky things. The whole romance plotline with Iella is predicated on the fact that they grew away and Wedge is trying to overcome it. But I can't just introduce him asking, "Hey, why aren't we friends anymore?" without establishing the reason why he's asking the question, and I can't introduce Iella going, "Hey, we're not friends anymore," without establishing the question, or it provokes "Huh?"s. I've trimmed it a little, but I'm not sure that I can take a lot more out of there. Havac 09:48, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * A bit more pbp later in the same paragraph when he's at her apartment ("he asked, she explained, she insisted..."). He was married to her for decades, so it seems kind of odd that so much of her section is dedicated to a single doorbell ring. As the bio's already covered this stuff, brevity seems especially important in "Relationships".
 * You wouldn't think it, but this emotional stuff takes the most space to articulate clearly, as it operates on such a nuanced level. Emotional stuff, and intellectual conversation or convictions. I realize that the Relationships section is a bit more general than the bio, but it should still articulate the narrative of the relationship. And this one moment is really the whole narrative of the relationship; it's not a simple case of "And then they fell in love." I don't know that I've cut it down a lot in size, but I think I've eliminated a lot of play-by-play-ish phrasing and made it read a bit better. Tell me what you think. Havac 09:48, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * And just a heads-up that my previous Threepio and Artoo objection will become live again if passes. Menkooroo 15:42, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll get ready to ctrl-f "it" for like an hour. Havac 09:48, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * They're actually only mentioned in the article a handful of times. Ctrl + f the droids' names! :^D
 * I think that should be resolved. Havac 07:49, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * One more from p & t: As there's no skills and abilities section, I feel like p & t should have a paragraph or two discussing his skills in the cockpit. It currently says that he loved being in the cockpit and was very confident in his skills, but it doesn't go into detail as to what those skills are. Surely there are sourcebooks that bluntly say "He was one of the best pilots in the galaxy" and stuff like that. And you could mention how in Rebel Dream he singlehandedly destroyed all those coralskipper squadrons, etc, etc. Menkooroo 05:16, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I dunno. It's too late for me to write a bunch tonight, so . . . to be continued. Havac 09:48, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Section added. Havac 07:08, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Behind the scenes: Dates are given for a lot of publications, but not for the original Star Wars film or its novelization. Go for it, dude! I'll say also for Empire and Jedi, as right now it kind of looks like Lawson "went on" to portray Wedge in those films after 2005.
 * Dates mostly added, though sticking them in for the two sequels would be kind of an awkward fit, and I've sort of kind of generally dated them anyway. Havac 09:48, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * It still looks a bit off, with stuff from 2005 being mentioned before Empire and Jedi --- how do you feel about adding "After A New Hope" before "Lawson went on to portray Antilles"...
 * Try that. Havac 21:49, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wedge wasn't created as a supporting character for A New Hope --- he was created as a supporting character for a film called Star Wars. :^D
 * Which is now called A New Hope. That's just what the film is. Take it up with George Lucas. If I say, "He was a supporting character in Star Wars, people are going to say, "He's a supporting character in the franchise? Of course he is!" Havac 09:48, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd argue it more, but I realized that you've written it as "was created as a supporting character in" rather than "a supporting character for", which in this case makes all the difference. Otherwise a pipelink from Star Wars to A New Hope would do the trick.
 * The word "film" noticeably appears thrice in close succession at the beginning of the bts.
 * Film. And I'm going to take a break here. Havac 09:48, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * As you're already talking about the earlier drafts and the development of character concepts, it might be worth mentioning that there were other characters called "Antilles" before Wedge ended up taking the name.
 * Added. Havac 07:08, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Any idea who voiced Wedge in the Crimson Empire audio?
 * He's not credited, so I don't know, other than that it must be one of the "Additional voices" guys. And none of them are previous Antilles VAs to even guess at. Havac 03:49, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was listening to the Dark Forces: Soldier for the Empire audio drama today and noticed that Meck Odom sounded exactly like Wedge in the CE audio. Meck was apparently voiced by Peter Moore in Soldier for the Empire, and Moore is credited as providing "additional voices" for the CE audio (as well as directing it). Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 05:52, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Mark Hamill and George Lucas need just a bit of context.
 * Done. Noted Joker voice actor Mark Hamill has called him the "token survivor" of George Lucas, a director noted for his unpopular dicking around with classic films. Havac 03:49, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is Wedge definitely not in the LEGO OT game?
 * Hell if I know. I've never played it. Our article on it doesn't put him there, though. Havac 03:49, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Brickipedia doesn't indicate that he is, either.
 * I have a couple of tidbits for ya that might be at home in the bts. Let me know what you think:
 * talks a lot about Wedge's cult following, and about how Sue Rostoni and KJA advised Stackpole to use Wedge as a central character in the X-wing novels accordingly. He also talks about how tough writing Wedge was, and how he drew inspiration from WWI and WWII fighter pilots
 * The TV show Undergrads, which is chock-full of delicious SW references every episode, contains a wonderful line about Wedge. The character Gimpy has a sidekick, who refers to as "The Wedge to my Luke Skywalker --- trusty, loyal... and you never die!" As a reference to Wedge in pop culture that also plays off of the "token survivor" angle, this could work well in the paragraph you already have about his cult following. I can give you more detail if you want it.
 * Any chance of including a reference to this? "Antilles's reputation as a token survivor has even been humourously referenced in other media..." I won't push it, but I think it's run and relevant.
 * Some bts info about how Wedge would have appeared in Specter of Thrawn. If you want to give some background info on Specter of Thrawn, Stackpole discusses its conception and reasons for cancelation in his, about a third of the way in.
 * Allston says that it was originally Zahn, not Allston, who hooked Wedge and Iella up... eh, that's probably not noteworthy, but it's fun trivia, I guess.
 * by Stackpole about the creation of Rogue Squadron is a real treat. He talks more about Sue suggesting that he use Wedge, but he claims he would have regardless. Quote: "He's the perfect character to have in this series. He's a hero, he's been in the films, he's an ace, and he's Luke's best friend. He knows almost everyone, so he provides me access to the top-level characters when I need them." He also talks more about how he researched WWI and WWII aces when developing the various Rogues, and how the tendency of those real-life pilots to die within their first five dogfights led to his characterization of Wedge as not befriending his new pilots until after they survived five missions. Give the whole thing a listen; there's some neat stuff on his development of Corran, Gavin, and Tycho, too, if you want to update their FA's.
 * Wedge as the 24th greatest SW character of all time. Might be worth including after you mention the Insider poll where he ranked eighth. This also mentions the Biggs and Wedge whose names reappear in Final Fantasy games, but I searched and searched and couldn't find any official confirmation that they were named after SW's Biggs and Wedge. I mean, they like, obviously are, but blargh, no confirmation! Menkooroo 16:01, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I've gotten everything I'm going to get out of those. Havac 07:49, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Reference 174 needs to be fixed --- there's some craziness going on at the end of it. Menkooroo 15:27, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Xiced! Menkooroo 16:33, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's it for now, my friend. As for me, I have a few books to go read. Menkooroo 03:08, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * When you introduce the Night Caller schedule, can you give a bit more detail? The article just kind of mentions the schedule without indicating what it is, which would probably be pretty confusing if I hadn't just read the book. It's unclear why the ship is making stops at all these planets and just what the purpose of the circuit is. I know that Wedge isn't completely clear on it yet, but can you tell us what he does know at that point? It's not really indicated why the Night Caller isn't expected to just rejoin Zsinj's fleet.
 * See if that works. Havac 21:43, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * "Loran inadvertently used the New Republic slang "eyeball" for a TIE," --- Can you specify that he's talking to an Imperial on a comlink? It's not really clear why two TIE pilots in the air would hear him say that. Menkooroo 14:46, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Clarified. Havac 21:43, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Xicer

 * Defectors and captors: "Seerdon then turned to blockading Chandrila...He isolated one of its major cities and began bombarding it..." Do we have an article on this city? If it's one of Chandrila's "major cities" it probably deserves an article.
 * "Tie Interceptor" and "TIE interceptor" are both used in the article. Which is it?
 * Defectors and captors: "He entered into negotiations with a group of Corellian Engineering Corporation workers' union leaders, who were interested in defecting..." Why did they want to defect? This would clarify the Empire's involvement in the matter.
 * Defectors and captors: "When she insisted on selling them out and drew a blaster on the agent, he killed her, an outcome Antilles regretted but accepted as the only way to protect the Alliance." Who killed her, the agent or Wedge? The last part kind of hints at it being Wedge, but I'm assuming it's the agent.
 * Defectors and captors: "The agent completed the mission and returned to confirm his success with Antilles..." Aren't Galaxies PCs supposed to be referred to by gender-neutral terms?
 * Defectors and captors: What kind of generators are you referring to in the next paragraph? Power generators? Shield generators? Or does Galaxies just leave it vague?
 * Freedom's winter: "Antilles returned to Hoth and waited until Skywalker arrived safely to make his final departure, escorting the Dutyfree, piloted by Rogue Ten Tarrin Datch, to safety." Looks like we have a discrepancy here: Datch's article says he piloted Thon's Orchard, not the Dutyfree. I only bring this up because Datch is an FA. One of these articles will need to be changed.
 * That's it through 1.2, more to come. FYI I redlinked autograph in "Defectors and captors". Also, I forgot to mention this earlier, but one of the SWGTCG cards I put in the Sources list depicts Wedge receiving an Imperial Death Mark, at least I think it's Wedge. It looks a lot like him but I'm not familiar with the accompanying scenario, so I can't be sure. If it's not him then you can remove it, if it is him then that information might be worth adding to the article (with the sentence stating that he was put on the Emperor's Most Wanted List). Oh, and finally, I'm not sure what our policy or precedent is on having Wizards links without articles in Sources lists. You may need to create an article for that TFU preview, or at least redlink it. Just a heads up. Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 00:41, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Running the Rogues: "Antilles was sent to scout the Maw, a black hole cluster suspected of hiding an Imperial prison. Article needed on the prison, as well as the Bothon pilot mentioned later in the paragraph.
 * Running the Rogues: For the Fondor shipyard assault, you have to explain that it was their objective to destroy the SSD in the first sentence. Otherwise it sounds kind of like they decided to attack the shipyard first, then discovered the SSD being built there, and then decided to destroy it.
 * Running the Rogues: Battle article for the Strike Cruiser skirmish? Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 03:46, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * New threats and the New Republic: Articles needed on Weir's base and the Tandankin monument.
 * New threats and the New Republic: "the strange and brutal Nagai, emigres from the satellite galaxy Companion Besh, began a campaign against the galaxy in alliance with rogue Imperials." "the galaxy" here sounds like it's referring to Companion Besh. Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 05:55, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * All of the above addressed. Havac 07:47, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * At least once in "New threats and the New Republic" and several times in "Encounter on Mrlsst" the word "Alliance" is used to refer to the NR.
 * Damn comics use the term all the time too. Fixed. Havac 07:38, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Articles needed: Dza'tey's second-in-command. Also, are there no articles on the missions to Cilpar, Mrlsst, Tatooine, Eiattu, or Malrev? And FYI I redlinked Harrandatha's impostor. That's it through 1.4. Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 03:37, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Havac 07:38, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it Night Caller or the Night Caller? Implacable or the Implacable? etc... You're pretty inconsistent with both. Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 06:07, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Consistisized. Havac 07:51, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Same thing for Mon Remonda.
 * Consistisized with Solo Command. Havac 05:54, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * The last Grand Admiral: You refer to both Mara and Aves as "Karrde's lieutenant." Who of the two is it? Or does Aves take over Mara's position?
 * They're both lieutenants to Karrde. Havac 05:54, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Palpatine's return: You go from saying Palpatine was killed by one of his Force storms above Da Soocha, to him trapping the Solos on Onderon without mentioning that he survived the first encounter and entered another clone body.
 * The guy just won't stop dying. Mention added. Havac 05:54, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * There's a scene in the DEII audio where Rogue Squadron and a freighter carrying X-1 Vipers ambushes a squadron of TIEs. I'm not sure if the guy leading the Rogues is Wedge, but it sounds like him. Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 21:20, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not really clear, so I've added the information in an appropriately ambiguous fashion, I think.
 * Keeping the peace: "...Kyle Katarn, formerly of the Katarn Commandos and a friend of Rogue Squadron." Is this information actually in Jedi Academy? Because if not, it needs to be properly sourced. Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 23:12, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Tweaked. Havac 05:54, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Last one, I think: all external link refs need to use the cite web template with backup links if possible. Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 22:07, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Cite web is an abomination in the eyes of God. It's a Wikipedia template, poorly suited to Wookieepedia use (as evidenced by its creation of date redlinks in the date-of-authorship field), unilaterally copied from Wikipedia by Adamwan in 2007 (yet still barely used) and not supported by any Wookieepedia policy. Without any policy on its use, it accomplishes nothing that a simple link doesn't, except padding page length. I loathe it and refuse to use it. Havac 08:29, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

The Dolphin

 * Apparently, Wedge plays a minor role in the new novel for The Force Unleashed II. If you read the novel or find another user who has, I suggest updating the early part of the biography section to reflect these new sources.-- ID-21 Dolphin  DolphinJedi.png(Talk) 15:06, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I need to get my hands on it, but once I get it, it will be added. Havac 21:10, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good. Otherwise, I'm getting the novel soon, so I could write that section for you. I think Wedge only has a minor appearance, so it won't be long.-- ID-21 Dolphin  DolphinJedi.png(Talk) 16:24, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Added. Havac 20:12, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * The placement seems a bit off. TFUII takes place in 1 BBY, but in the previous paragraph you're talking about him in 0 BBY. Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 21:00, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Flipflopped around. Havac 21:33, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

JMAS

 * You mention in the first paragraph of the Return to service subsection under The Yuuzhan Vong War heading regarding Wedge being interviewed by Threepio and Artoo about his memories of Chewie. However, there is no information on the Battle of Thila which was the event that he was recalling to the droids. The battle took place sometime between the evacuation of Yavin 4 and the establishment of Echo Base on Hoth. It can be found in Star Wars: Chewbacca 3. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 11:39, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's already there. Fifth paragraph of the "Escape from Yavin" section in "Rogue warrior". Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 11:47, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, somehow I completely missed that, after scanning for it 3 times. Note to self: next time have two cups of coffee first before accessing Wookieepedia before 5 am. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 11:52, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Jinzler

 * Pablo Hidalgo mentions a minor continuity problem regarding Antilles here, which maybe deserves a mention in the article. --Jinzler 17:59, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think that really constitutes a continuity problem. Wedge has been exposed to a giant ancient construct that no one can explain, and then finds the size of a recently built manmade space station to be impressive. There's not necessarily any contradiction. If he said, "Wow, that's the biggest thing I've ever seen!" then there would be a problem. But this is really more Pablo making a nice smart-aleck comment than any continuity issue. Havac 19:36, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

From the Council Chambers:
First, I want to make you aware that I haven't read through all of the objections above, so if I object to something that's already been resolved, let me know. Also, I'm reviewing off of a hard copy printed on November 16 (at a cost of $11.87!), so if I object to something that's changed since then, likewise let me know. OK, here goes:
 * Intro: "He led Rogue Squadron in a covert mission to bring down Coruscant's shields, allowing the New Republic to capture the galactic capital, and when denied permission to remove Imperial leader Ysanne Isard from power over Thyferra, he resigned with his squadron and led a private guerrilla war that successfully toppled Isard.": This is a bit of a run-on, please break it up.
 * Split. Havac 09:33, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Youth/Boyhood: "She and Antilles were close friends throughout their youth, calling each other by childhood nicknames "Myra" and "Veggies."": Which one was Myra and which was Veggies?
 * I've clarified. Though I'd love to see someone calling Wedge "Myra." Havac 09:33, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Youth/Rebel hotshot: "He emerged near the target and Starkiller jumped into the building, where he rescued Eclipse and managed to capture Vader.": Maybe nitpicking, but I think you should add a note that Vader escaped/was released; otherwise Vader suddenly jumps from being in Rebel custody to piloting a TIE at the Battle of Yavin with no explanation.
 * Yeah, but we have no idea how Vader gets out of it. I've added something and tried to be pretty circumspect about it, since there's not much we can firmly say. Havac 09:33, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Youth/Rebel hotshot: "Though considered a show-off, Antilles was a standout pilot and natural leader and was quickly put in a position of responsibility, an emergent leader in the squadron.": I shifted the phrasing around in this sentence to make it flow a little better, but I think the phrase "an emergent leader in the squadron" at the end is redundant to the rest of the sentence; consider removing it.
 * I've shuffled it. Havac 09:33, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Rogue warrior/Defectors and captors: "There, he tasked a Rebel to rescue several Rebel pilots who had been captured and imprisoned in a prison bunker near an Imperial base erected on Yavin 4.": In the first part of the sentence, "Rebel" is repetitive.
 * Sort of. But we have no descriptor for the Galaxies PC other than "someone who was a Rebel" and if we don't specify that the pilots were Rebel pilots, then we get people wondering who the pilots were. So I've called them "Alliance pilots". I think that should work. Havac 09:33, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's it through the "Rogue warrior" section. I'll continue from "Rogue Leader" sometime soon.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 22:01, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Rogue Leader/A second Death Star: "With the main communications ship, the Executor, and the Death Star destroyed,": Unclear here whether the "main communications ship" is the Executor or another unnamed ship, please clarify.
 * Earlier in the section, Wedge explicitly destroys the main communications ship, which is a separate link. Is that clear enough? It would be really awkward to try to distinguish those in the sentence. Havac 09:33, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * While I guess that would be enough (I can't see links in my printout), I made a slight change to the sentence to remove the ambiguity altogether. Feel free to revert it if you feel it doesn't work, though.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 18:13, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Rogue Leader/Encounter on Mrlsst: "Antilles made certain that the New Republic would retain the weapon's plans, knowing it would be the only way to guarantee it would not be used.": Two problems here. First, normally a government at war would welcome new weapons, which could give them an edge over their enemy. What is it about this weapon that makes Wedge feel it shouldn't ever be used? Second, if Wedge doesn't want to see the weapon used, then why did he personally authorize it to be used earlier in the paragraph?
 * Ask Stackpole. I've tweaked it a bit. Havac 09:33, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's it through the "Hard campaigning" section. I'll continue from "The campaign for Coruscant" when I have time.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 05:01, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've now reviewed through "Defeating Isard" with no further objections. I'll continue from "Wraith Squadron" soon.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 19:17, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wraith Squadron/Playing pirate: "The Wraiths returned to Coruscant, where, while on leave, the Wraiths were attacked in a bar by a cyborg.": "Wraiths" is repetitive.
 * Addressed. Havac 03:48, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll continue from "Imperial resurgence" soon. Apologies for the length of time this is taking, but RL has been busy recently. Hopefully, it'll calm down within the next few days, which would let me get this done faster.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 05:12, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * "Imperial resurgence" has been reviewed with no objections. Will continue from General Antilles soon.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 18:05, December 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wraith Squadron/Playing pirate: Since you reverted it, I'll object: the quote for this section needs to use Quote, not Dialogue, per the MOS, which specifies that quotes with two speakers use Quote.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 04:13, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * This is something that comes up over and over again as an endless source of confusion. That's for quotes with two people speaking, when they both only speak once. It's horribly unclear in the MOS and really needs a CT to amend it, but it's not for long back-and-forths; otherwise we never would have had the long-back-and-forth dialogue templates we did. Havac 05:14, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * While I see your point, I still disagree. I've asked several Inqs for their opinion on this matter to clear things up either way.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 18:46, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've checked with Tommy, Tope, and Grunny, and all agree that it must be changed to Quote.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 22:25, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I found the original CT. As the vote says, it's for determining the standard for "two-line dialogue quotes," not for multi-line quotes. Havac 04:52, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Both Tope and Grunny have clarified that Quote is used for two speakers regardless of length; see here and here. If you feel that's wrong, then start a CT to amend/clarify that; otherwise, fix it, because I'm done discussing this.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 17:21, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit confused as to how Toprawa and Grunny are higher policy authorities than CTs. Havac 21:52, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Terribly sorry to intrude --- but for what it's worth, I've always been told to use the dialogue template in cases of two speakers when there are more than two lines total. For example, this section of one of my FAs uses Dialogue for two speakers, three lines total, and I was advised by Xicer to modify a different quote, but not this one. Other FAs of mine have always used Dialogue for cases of two speakers with more than two lines total --- it's always how I've been told to do things, by inquisitors and non-inquisitors alike. This section of the Manual of Style doesn't actually say what to do in the case of two speakers, more than two lines --- it just lists examples, and "two speakers, more than two lines" is not one of the examples it lists. I don't think it's accurate to say that policy is not being followed here --- policy is incomplete and not all-encompassing; its examples only cover a single case of multiple possible "two speaker" cases. And that case is not the one currently being discussed. A CT is probably in order to clarify, but right now, I don't think that Hav is breaking any rules. The rules don't say what to do in this case, so Hav is following precedent. What else can he do? Menkooroo 09:44, December 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Edit: Also, see today's quote of the day (archived here, currently sixth from the bottom). Menkooroo 09:55, December 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I've always been told what Tope and Grunny said, that Quote is used for two speakers regardless of length, but the more I look at stuff, the more I think you're right that our policy is just unclear and has too much room for interpretation. I'll start a CT sometime today to clarify this one way or the other, once and for all.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 15:37, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

Comments

 * Great job on the Intro, Personality, and Bts. Haven't had much time to read the actual body of the article yet. —Xwing328 (Talk) 05:42, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I moved the Fall of Coruscant image up a bit. I think the spacing is better this way; it was way too close to the first Borleias image. Lemme know what ya think. Menkooroo 04:16, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's fine any way. Havac 09:02, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * And FYI I redlinked Tralusian. Menkooroo 13:46, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * I currently count seven redlinks: Talasea base, Bror Jace's great-uncle, Assault on Noquivzor, Antilles's Rogues, Tralusian, Special Ops: The Sharpshooter, and Star Players. Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 22:07, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Should be down to two. I de-linked Bror Jace's great-uncle, since it's not clear that he's a real person (per The Bacta War, the message he was dying was a coded summons, so it's not necessarily the case that he was a real dying person). And Assault on Noquivzor is the Battle of Noquivzor. Havac 04:20, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * The images in the relationships section seemed... way too big. Some of them were even overlapping each other at my resolution. I've shrunk a few of them down --- let me know what you think.
 * I think one set overlapped on my resolution, just because the sections are so small. I didn't mind, since they weren't seriously in conflict, but having them a little smaller is fine. Havac 09:02, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Similarly, I understand that linking the gals again in the relationships section was a stylistic choice, but as "Relationships" is still part of the article's body, this is probably a no-no. The "mainarticle" template might be a better choice. Menkooroo 15:42, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * There are provisions for extra linking in extra-long articles anyway. If you want mainarticle, I don't object to that. Havac 09:02, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, Jeff, I undid that one change with the meeting with Jacen, because with the commas I don't think it should have been confusing where it was, and putting it first could have created confusion that Han was asking him to meet with Jacen or something. Havac 09:02, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Menkooroo 14:34, September 11, 2010 (UTC)