Talk:Nute Gunray/Legends

Last to Die
It is confirmed in the Visual Dictionary (which is G-canon) that Nute Gunray is the last of the Separatist council to be killed by Anakin on Mustafar. -- Lord Patrick

"Neimoidians are cunning political manipulators, but they are also untrustworthy and cowardly." - that feels like a sweeping statement to make. --SparqMan 14:18, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Removed -Imperialles 14:41, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

"He was alleged to be having an affair with Lora Besh, who in 22 BBY, just before the start of the Clone Wars, released an unauthorized biography of Gunray, entitled Gunray On Top. It spent at least several months as a top-ten bestseller, and its sales may have increased due to its subject's involvement in the war" - Is this for real? Sounds like a prank to me.--Spanky The Dolphin 00:32, 1 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * It's From HoloNet News, apparently. --Imp 00:53, 1 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Indeed it is; see it here. jSarek


 * In the novelization of Star Wars episode 3, Nute seems to keep repeating himself like "The war...the war is over. Lord Sidious promised...he promised we would be left in peace". Why does he do that?-Wattambor2000
 * The obvious answer would be that he thought the war was over, and Sidious promised that they would be left in peace. &mdash; Silly Dan  01:30, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * If you're wondering about the repetition, that's simply a nervous stutter. – Aidje talk 02:28, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I'm not so sure about that. The website only mentions the book. I think who ever wrote that must've been thinking about Nute Gray's Affair with Lora Bush
 * First of all: Don't post in the middle of a discussion. And it's Nute Gunray and Lora Besh. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:51, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Succession box
Yet again, this article is plagued with an unhelpful, odd succession box. Nute Gunray was not preceded by General Grievous. Grievous was not the Head of State of the Confederacy and Gunray was not its military leader. --SparqMan 20:22, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, after Count Dooku's death, General Grievous became the acting leader of the CIS. After word of Grievous's defeat and death on Utapau, Gunray (being the leader of the (allegedly) largest faction under Separatist control) became the next and last acting Head of State for the Separatists. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 21:25, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Really? Is there a source on that? --SparqMan 04:24, 6 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I have read it somewhere. Once I find the source, I will make sure to post it here. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:59, 6 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Given your inaccuracy on the other CIS succession box, I will remove it for now. If you find a source, share it and we can add it back in. --SparqMan 15:16, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * What inaccuracy on the other CIS succession boxes? I fixed them to make them right. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:16, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * The Grievous box, which has GG as Gunray's successor. There are no overall CIS leaders besides Dooku and Grievous. The Councilors each lead a different guild, not the CIS itself, regardless of what you may have read - Kwenn
 * Since I couldn't find the source of the information, I changed the succession box on Grievous's page. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:15, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Last Edit
Okay, let me say just one thing: The last edit was complete crap. It deserves to be redone into the way it was before the major edit. That's why I'm changing it. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:43, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

What was wrong with the last edit? It seemed to have a lot more information.
 * More like too much information. Do you have any idea how long it took me to read, let alone redo the article? What was there, and is there now, is fine. If you have something to add, please don't rewrite the entire article when you can just add the information into the appropiate spot on the article. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:02, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Age?
Does anyone know Gunray's age at his death? I'm planning on looking it up throughout the rest of the Internet, but if anyone here knows it, please tell me. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 14:53, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Picture
Any chance we can get a better picture of Gunray for the info box? One from Episode III, possibly? Cmdr. J. Nebulax 12:06, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Redemption. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 13:17, 20 Nov 2005 (UTC)

"Only villain besides Sidious"
What was wrong with the bit about Anakin Skywalker? It's true, as Ben says, from a certain point of view. Thanos6 19:27, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC) What about Battle and Destroyer Droids? Rune Haako 20:23, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Skywalker was not a villain in Episodes I and II. Therefore, that is not needed. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:41, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * They aren't villains. They're droids. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:27, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Star Wars Clone Wars cartoon appearance?
The Hyperspace Avatars say it's him.

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/7936/clonewarsnute8us.jpg http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/4098/clonewarsnute28ma.jpg

Though why is he dressed like Gilramos Libkath?
 * It's a cartoon. What do you expect? And while it does seem like him, I'm not sure if it was him, no matter what the avatars say. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:32, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * In addition, Clone Wars has screwed up many other times. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:35, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, the cartoon shows 'Nute' being led away with the Muuns, and there's been no other material detailing any escape from Republic prison on Gunray's part. I'd go with 'random Neimoidian lackey' - Kwenn 21:45, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * San Hill was captured as well, has there been anything about him escaping? Rune Haako 21:56, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't think so, but it might be in the Episode III Visual Dictionary. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:48, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I think they detailed his escape in the Star Wars Insider HoloNet News feeds, but I can't find it on here.-LtNOWIS 20:40, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. I'm a big fan of the Insider's HoloNet, and I never saw it. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:42, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

The Stark Hyperspace War
Can anyone post a pic of Nute from the comic?--Rune Haako 22:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * There's an image of Gunray in the Ultimate Visual Guide with Qui-Gon Jinn, so, perhaps someone can take that one and make it smaller. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:57, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Nute on Fire
I think we should include a line in behind the scenes that Nute was originally going to be killed by Jango Fett's flamethrower in the arena.

In the run-up to AotC, I remember a thread at TFN with a picture of this (Nute in flames). Could someone else confirm it, because I can find little information on this cut scene now. KastMorben 12:38, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, a source is needed, because this sounds like something a fan made up. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:21, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It was early storyboards for AOTC, IIRC. QuentinGeorge 06:12, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see this picture, if possible. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:34, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Death
In RotS, Nute was killed in the Control Room after Anakin followed him into the Conference Room. In the book, he is killed in the conference room. Is this a mistake or what, and are there any other sources to prove one point or another? Mastermundi 12:43, 28 March 2006 (UTC) Thanks. Mastermundi 11:20, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * In this case, the visual source would be correct. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:29, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Have you ever encountered a Jedi Knight before?
The article curently reads "...during which Gunray commanded his battle droid bodyguards to open fire—without specifying the enemy. Jedi Master Tyvokka was gunned down by Nute's droids, though the cowardly Neimoidian demanded the surviving Jedi help him to his ship." But in Episode I he says he has never encountered a Jedi. Mistake?

If so we should go with the Movie, as G-canon.
 * He had clear, undeniable dealings with the Jedi during the Stark Hyperspace War. It's in the nature of Nemoidians to lie, so it's not really a contradiction. Anyways, here's the exact quote from TPM:
 * "RUNE : Have you ever encountered a Jedi Knight before, sir?"
 * "NUTE : Well, not exactly, but I don't..." --LtNOWIS 22:54, 6 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Still, wasn't Episode I made before the comics with the Stark Hyperspace War? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:54, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The Stark Hyperspace War story specifically concludes with "Nute Gunray would continue to deny ever seeing a Jedi Knight in action." It's addressed, so it's not a contradiction. QuentinGeorge 02:49, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, then. Thanks. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:37, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Birthdate

 * Was Nute Gunray actually born 65 BBY? (see Timeline) Jaywin 21:12, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd don't think so. I'd check the article's history to see who added it in, but it's a pretty big article with a pretty big article history. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Main image

 * As I stated before, nothing has changed on Gunray since Ep. 1, other than his hat. Would this be a good main picture?
 * Usually, we want images of people in their later years (with some exceptions). I personally like the current image. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:44, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Its simply to dark (the pic ^), although i do understand why people want the more common apperance of Gunray such as Epp1 or 2. But i stand with Jack still Jedi Dude 19:46, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is rather dark. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:48, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * How about this:
 * Hmmm its better, but its just not main image quality Jedi Dude 20:27, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I got nothing. Lets keep the pic. we have, Until I find a good trading card to scan that will be another possability for main Gunray image. Yes, the two above are from Trading cards. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|20px]] [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|20px]] 20:45, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * *sigh* Way to twist my words around so we could change all the images...the only reason this applies to to Classical Characters is because, for one, they are classical, older, more familiar. Nute Gunray is a nobody. His image must be from his latest movie apperance. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 20:58, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say he's a nobody. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|20px]] [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|20px]] 21:05, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Let me put it this way. Nobody is going to make a parody where someone is wearing his hat and then someone goes up to him and says "Nice Nute Gunray look" in some TV show. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 21:07, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Aghh, I see. True, I never thought he was a MAJOR character, like his nomination on FA says. More of a minor character, and that was in epidoe 1. He made cameos in the other two. I don't really see what's special about him, honestly. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|20px]] [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|20px]] 22:36, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * He wasn't a major character, but he wasn't a minor character either. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:16, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Quotes
The head quote tells exactly nothing about Gunray. It's a rather poor choice, in my opinion. Furthermore, this excessive linking in quotes has got to stop. For example: "We would not do anything with out the approval of the Senate. You assume too much."

- Nute Gunray to Queen Amidala before invading Naboo

This is ripe with excessive linking, and looks plain silly. Links to the subjects linked here, are already found in the article, and it is already implied that Gunray speaks on behalf of the Trade Federation to Amidala, both in the quote itself (notice the "Nute Gunray to ..." bit) and in the article. In fact, there should be something about this in the manual of style. --Imp 19:10, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * So we can't have links to show what certain things mean in quotes? That's stupid. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not needed to explain everything in a quote with a link. If it requires you to do so, it's not a very useful quote. Plus, linking everything makes the article look awkward. --Imp 19:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * But that's just your opinion. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:45, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Your observational skills are overwhelming. At any rate, I'll see if I can't get a CT rolling on this case in a few days. --Imp 19:47, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * So you're basically saying "Figure it out on your own" to people who don't know what the "we"s and "you"s are talking about in a quote. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:50, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Sometimes it is useful, especially since most quotes are taken out of context. I agree that things such as "we" and "you" should be linked if not readily obvious through context, though actual names probably don't need to be, especially if they also appear in the main text - Kwenn 19:51, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It should be obvious who "we" and "you" are if you read the article. Heck, you don't even have to read the article, just read the "Nute Gunray to..." bit. --Imp 19:52, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Since you were talking about a CT, I was speaking generally. Sometimes its necessary to include such links for clarity - Kwenn 19:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I know, but I had to place my comment one step down because I had an edit conflict with you. ;) I agree that maybe links should be used for total clarity, but there's no need to go berserk with the link-axe. --Imp 19:56, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, links are as necessary in a quote as they are in articles. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:55, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Quotes are still part of the article. There's no need to link what has already been linked once in an article, in a quote. --Imp 19:56, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Since this is turning into a debate about quotes in general, I suggest it be moved to the Senate Hall.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 19:58, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see it as an issue. Here, no, it's not needed, since names not only appear in the line below, but also in the text itself. Elsewhere, however, things may be less obvious - Kwenn 19:59, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I still say links are needed in quotes. But, if the rest of the community says otherwise in another stupid vote, I guess I'll have to comply. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:00, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ugh. Should we get rid of links in image captions as well?--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 20:56, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Good point, Darth Oblivion. Removing links from quotes is like removing links from captions, which isn't a good thing. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:10, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

ROTS Emphasis should be removed
Why is there a ROTS emphasis on this article? The lead quote is awful, it says nothing about the character of Gunray, and there should be a TPM image .  .  .  .  06:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC) "These Federation types are cowards. The negotiations will be short"
 * No, and no. Unless you can find a better quote summing up Gunray, that quote stays. As for the picture, that stays, too. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 10:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

- Qui-Gon Jinn

That's not a great quote, but it tells us a hell of a lot more about Gunray than the quote up there at the moment. Maybe an EU source would be good? . .  .  .  22:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC) "This is impossible!"
 * Again, no. The current quote is much better than that one. Plus, that one doesn't even say Gunray specifically. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:37, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about, much better? The current one says nothing about Gunray at all, it's totally irrelevant. Do you own Labyrinth of Evil, Grand Admiral? I'm sure that there was a great Grievous quote about Gunray in there. I don't have it (wish I did...great book). .  .  .  .  05:01, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The current one is better than yours because this one actually is referring to Gunray. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but it's saying nothing about him at all. I know there's a great quote in LOE, we just have to find someone who's got the book and knows it well. Nute doesn't have a great lot of quotes from the films that refer to his personality, other than

- Nute Gunray

Which is a kinda ironic quote, but I don't think it would work. There is that Sio Bibble quote about him from AOTC, but I can't remember it from heart. . .  .  .  11:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, Bibble's quote is basically "It's outrageous. After four trials in the Supreme Court, Nute Gunray is still Viceroy of the Trade Federation." Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh. That's kinda dissapointing. Like AOTC in general. Damn, who here has LOE? .  .  .  .  22:33, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I do, but I wouldn't know where to look for it. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:40, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, If I recall correctly, it was near the start, when Grievous is about to meet with Gunray. Grievous' opinion of Nute would make a fantastic opening quote. .  .  .  .  00:42, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll look it up when I have time. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:03, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Gunray only villian to appear in three films of the prequel trilogy except for Darth Sidious.
Should that be changed now since Haako is now comsidered to be in AOTC?--Rune Haako 16:40, 21 October 2006 (UTC)