User talk:Menkooro

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Re:OOU Layout Guide
Hey Menkooroo, thanks for telling me about your project. I've seen your ideas, and I think there are several good ones in them, but there are a few things I would like to suggest. I would like to point out that I am accustomed to writing smaller OOU articles, such as The Clone Wars web comics and some smaller Tales stories, so my main focus is to have a differentiation between the larger OOUs such as novels and comic series and the smaller OOUs like the ones I mentioned above. You and I both agree the plot summary should definitely be the first section following the introduction, but I'm not sure if it’s a good idea to leave the Conception and Development sections as separate sections, especially if one is writing a smaller OOU article. The only problem with this idea is that smaller OOU articles have very little information available in regards to how they were produced and conceived, so it would likely look better to combine the Conception and Development sections, at least in regards for smaller OOUs. Another thing that came to my attention while reader your proposition is the Main Characters section. In the past, smaller OOUs, especially the ones promoted to GA status don't have Main Character sections, because they are so small, having a Main Character section just seems a little redundant as it just repeats everything that was said in the Plot Summary. Also, there are some few OOUs that don't even have a single main character named, an example being the GA Hoth. I think Main Character sections are better suited for full comic or book series. Finally, as you realize, there are many different types of OOUs out there. I believe that some OOUs, such as films, television episodes, radio shows, or podcasts, must have a Cast section, similar to the one I put in my HoloNet News — Chancellor Palpatine's Approval Rating Falls nom. Also, the music OOUs MasterFred has been doing recently must have a Use section to tell where the music was used. An example would be in Fred’s current nom, General Grievous's Theme. I appreciate the fact you want to have my feedback and what you are doing. We both know we need an OOU layout guide, especially as more and more Users begin to nominate OOUs. We cannot continue to have OOU layouts decided during nominations, and have promoted OOUs that are widely different from each other. I would also like to see a few other users that are or have promoted OOUs in the past included into this conversation, maybe JangFett or MasterFred. Hopefully you actually read this thing and didn’t give up halfway through. Kilson 00:44, March 10, 2011 (UTC) Sorry it's taken me so long to respond. My personal gut instinct is that the Main Characters section should be close to the Plot Summary, but I don't think I have any reason beyond my gut to say it, so I won't raise any objections. I might not be around to actually give a support vote, though; I'm going to be extremely limited in my availability these next couple months. jSarek 11:42, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * After reading over your response, I've decided that a Main Character section is most likely needed for any OOU article, no matter the size. However, there is one more thing I forgot to ask where in your new layout guide idea do you plan to put the Appearances section? I would assume you intend to put it after the Plot Summary section, as that is the consensus now-a-days. Also, I am currently in the process of going through all the OOU articles I have promoted, kept promoted, or am promoting right now, and revising them to fit this new format. This might take some time though. Kilson 00:00, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * I personally like having the Appearances section right after the Plot Summary. The reason I say this is because the Appearances is such a small section now because of the App function that manually reduces it, it is hardly noticeable, so it wouldn't really clutter the main body. I also like it this way since one of the main reasons a User visits an OOU article is to look up what exactly appeared in the OOU, so having the Apperances right after the Plot Summary will greatly help them. Kilson 01:13, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * In the interest of responding to our original discussion regarding this, I think it would be easier for me to give feedback if you were able to write up a rough-draft layout like you had done the first time around. That way I could see what it would look like and then could give my take. Thanks. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:40, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Unidentified Sith trooper (catacombs)
Hey Menk, I'd like to suggest that you take Unidentified Sith trooper (catacombs) to GA status. If you give the article a one or two sentence intro and a P&T section, it'll easily make the 250 word count limit (it's already at 242). Basically, the fact that the article warrants a P&T is enough for me to call the article up for CA status review per the instructions, but it would be much easier for you to just take the article to the GAN (where it would be forced to go anywa once I called it up for review). What do you think? Jonjedigrandmaster ( Talk ) 20:48, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, on the CAN, please make sure to format reviews properly (with a bolded heading led by a # symbol, and each objection listed afterward led by a #*) for ease of reading and page organization. Cheers, Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 22:31, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * For the formatting&mdash;no worries, I understand; just a friendly reminder. :) As for the article: it's not about making an article 250 words solely for the sake of making the article 250 words. It's about the fact that, when possible, all articles should always follow the layout guide. There's been an increasing trend in laziness when it comes to writing CAs recently, wherein articles that should be over 250 words are written with very intentional laziness so that they can just make CA status instead of having to go through the GAN; that's something that is neither desirable nor acceptable. The fact remains that any article that can reach nearly 250 words without being sectioned properly as per the layout guide could easily&mdash;and should easily&mdash;be written correctly per our policy. As such, if you won't section the Sith trooper article properly and put it on the GAN, I am going to have to put it up on the CA review page with this perfectly valid objection. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 00:41, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey Menk, if you have the time, would you mind coming into IRC so that we can discuss this further? Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 01:11, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Quick question
I understand that your concern might be coming from the earlier concern about SW.com's online articles, but CN dataclips are legitimate sources. They offer random bits of information, sometimes even new information, in "data files" that are attached to videos. You might be able to view them if you use a proxy that's based in the US. Cheers,  CC7567  (talk) 05:55, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Peter Cushing edit
Hey Menk. That IP edit earlier to Peter Cushing was mine. I'm sorry but I'm missing it, what's the problem with the sourcing? Thanks! — Hunter Kahn  15:23, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * No prob! :) — Hunter Kahn  15:24, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * lol I've been there, my friend. Hope you slept well. — Hunter Kahn  15:39, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Oxixo
Hello Menkooroo, although there is no rebelscum.com page yet, the photo I currently use of Oxixo is from the back cover of the box containing the action figures. Should those licensed images be allowed as profile pictures? Hanzo Hasashi 01:47, March 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool, I was hoping it would be alright, given the fact that it's the only licensed photo in existence. Hanzo Hasashi 12:22, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Arkanians in Legacy 26
Hey, Menk. You seem to be quite familiar with the Legacy comic series, so I was wondering if you could weigh in on something. According to our article for Star Wars: Legacy 26: The Hidden Temple, Part 2, there are Arkanians in the book. I'm assuming whoever added that species to the article's appearance list was assuming the pale-skinned, pointy-eared, pupilless folks are Arkanians. The problem is that they don't match the appearance of either the mainline Arkanians or the Offshoots, since they have five fingers and pale skin (like the Offshoots), and pupilless eyes (like the mainlines). They also have pointy ears like Jarael, but she had those due to Sephi DNA spliced into her by Demagol. So, are they anywhere explicitly ID'ed as Arkanians? I can't find it in the comic itself, but I could be overlooking something. As I expand the Arkanian article, I may have to mention them only in the BTS since duck test doesn't quite apply due to the discrepancies I mentioned here. Thanks for your help! ~ SavageBob 05:20, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey there! There's no explicit confirmation in the comic that they're Arkanians, and it doesn't seem like we got any VIP confirmation in either the Jedi Council Forums thread or the Dark Horse boards thread. I think you're right in that the discrepancies are enough for a bts mention (like the dude with sunglasses in the Red Nebula species article) but probably nothing more without speculation. For what it's worth, there's some disagreement in the JC Forums thread --- some posters were like "Nah, they're probably Nagai or something." Menkooroo 06:44, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks for the help! Relegated to BTS they shall be! ~ SavageBob 16:44, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Adding referenced info reply and War 4 stuff
Yeah, I'll try to do everything right in the future. I needed to catch a bus, so I had no time to do anything more than pasting. And I am SUPER SUPER pumped for War 4. One more week!WIERDGREENMAN 15:07, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Podcast
Hey Menkooroo, I hate to ask this of you, but could you review my HoloNet News — Chancellor Palpatine's Approval Rating Falls GA nom. It just needs one more User to support it, and it has been sitting like that for four days now. Since you have the most experience with OOUs, I thought you should review it. Kilson 03:57, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Gracias mi amigo. Kilson 04:03, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey Menkooroo. It would it be too much to ask if you could also review my other OOU currently up, The Clone Wars: Prelude? If you're too busy, it's fine. Kilson 02:54, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

BBY
Ooops. My bad. I thought it was the proper page. Hmm. Also - It was surprisingly difficult to find stuff to update. Theres such a large community here, most of the stuff to link to has already been done! Timeoin 11:48, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

RE:removing links
Thought it would be nicer to remove them, personally I do not feel it looks good when the ratio of hyperlinked words to non-hyperlinked words is kind of high, especially when such articles in question are actually stubs, like those mentioned. Differences in opinion, perhaps I shall remove them only if it gets ridiculous (i hope it never comes to that!). Thanks for the welcome! :) Songjin 02:48, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

RE
OH i forgot i was planning to experiment with sourcing and left it there as like a starter when i had to rush off to do something else SORRY and thank you for pointing that out!! i shall read the guide now! haha cheers! :) Songjin 12:24, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

and about the tense point you raised, what about like.. hmm.. ok analogy time, "there are stars in the galaxy". wouldn't writing in past tense make it seem a little odd? just wanted to pick your brain on this anyway i shall do a little correcting thanks again! Songjin 12:33, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Ah I see! Well that clears things up thank you and have a nice day! :) Songjin 13:08, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Adventures!
(That word just needs an exclamation mark.) I was pretty sure the "are adventures sources or appearances?" debate had already occurred, so I snooped around. I can't find an actual debate page (a SH or CT), but if I do, I'll let you know. In the meantime, I did find that our Layout Guide already stipulates that adventures are considered appearances: "Bulleted list of films, novels, comics, cartoons, roleplaying adventures, and computer games that the subject has appeared in" (from Layout_Guide). And it's my understanding that this specifically applies to adventures (as opposed to source material), adventure seeds, short fiction within sourcebooks, and campaigns, rather than books like Alien Encounters, which is nothing but background material. At any rate, this isn't a nanny-nanny-boo-boo post by any means; it may be something that needs further clarification in a CT or SH or something. I just wanted to explain where I was coming from. I'm unclear why Tope is considering this particular scenario a source instead, but hopefully someone can explain on the nom page. Excelsior! ~ Savage   21:14, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Good find in the layout guide. Let me chew on this one for a while. I can't really think of what else "roleplaying adventure" would entail... hmm.... Menkooroo 04:10, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

R2 meets Wicket
I actually had a T-shirt with that image on it when I was a kid. When I was working on the article, I was surprised it hadn't been uploaded already, so I had to rectify the situation posthaste! :) Thanks for the support, BTW. The pseudo-scientists of the Empire are pleased. ;) ~ Savage   04:12, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * I was born a few years after ROTJ came out, but when my family moved into a new home in 1993, the previous owners left a whole bunch of old toys for us, including nearly-complete sets of ESB and ROTJ O-Pee-Chee trading cards. My favourites of the ROTJ bunch were "R2-D2 Meets Wicket" and "Will Han Solo be dinner?" :D Menkooroo 04:17, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

WP:NJO pre-nom
Hey, Menkooroo could you do a pre-Ga nom check on the article Mission to Bimmiel. Also if you can source the info box using Dark Tide I: Onslaught, every time i try to do it it screws up the format GTQ 02:23, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

GAN
Hey, Menkooroo. Just notifying you of a certain change made per objections to the Hudiss nom. Thought it'd be fair if I gave you a chance to respond to this. Thanks. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:19, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Hey love your barn burner, want to join in, but didn't the best wookiee of KOTOR, Zaalbar so could i write about him Darth Needham 21:38, April 20, 2011 (UTC)