Talk:Corran Horn

Year of birth
Is Corran Horn actually born in 18 BBY? When his grandfather Nejaa Halcyon died a year ago in 19 BBY I heard that his father Valin was only 10 years old. Which means that it is impossible for Corran to be born in the following year!
 * Yes, the Horn family history is painfully convoluted, a result of early the early EU thinking the Clone Wars happened earlier than it turns out they did. As of right now, we're not sure exactly what part of it needs correcting.  jSarek 11:33, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * It's best to ignore any Clone Wars dating in a book dating before 1999. (Though, I find it ironic that the Marvel comics don't seem to have the same problem. (Indeed, in many cases they have the opposite problem - having Clone Wars events occur far too recently). QuentinGeorge 11:36, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)

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Powers

 * so do we know why/how horn's family lack telekinetic power?
 * It's just a quirk in their Force abilities. It's not explained any more than Jaina Solo's afinity for machines, Jacen's for animals, or Cilghal's for healing, for example. It's not explained why some Jedi are better at certain skills and worse at others; they just are. 71.236.33.191 03:54, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

I, Jedi
The events of I, Jedi need to be described in much more detail, I think. They're a major part of Corran's history, but they're barely touched upon at all here. 71.236.33.191 03:54, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but a couple preceding sections are shorter and have similar amount of material in novels. -Finlayson 23:31, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Corsec piture
Does anybody have a better version the cg pic of him. An actual screenshot would be better than just a pic of the model. The pic is kind of grainy, and a background would make a huge difference.Darth Benobi 12:13, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

Top picture
Is that actually Corran at the top of the page? It looks to young for him. I'm pretty sure that's actually Ganner. I know! It doesn't even look like him.. im like what the heck??? has to be changed right now. -Darth Mikaillov
 * Yes, that's a picture of Corran from the NEGtC. Note Corran's green robes.
 * Sorry, it was I who changed the picture to what it is Now It just looks better to me, is that okay? I didn't know how to edit pictures but.. I figured it out? beginners luck I suppose. ^_^ -Darth Mikaillov
 * There was some doubt if that was really Corran Horn before. -Finlayson 15:10, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

The info box image in the infobox should have the same width as the info box. I beleive 300px is the correct width for that. -Finlayson 19:41, 1 September 2006 (UTC) The top image seems to come from this cover:  The New Jedi Order: Dark Tide (Japanese Ver.). -Finlayson 03:05, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think 250px would be preferable, that is the default infobox width. Plus, it looks good even with lower screen resolutions. And to the first person who wrote: Yes, I believe that is indeed meant to be Corran, but what happened to his beard is anyone's guess. --Tinwe 16:23, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I really wonder why this pic here isn't used... - or, why we don't stick to the one out of the NEGtC... it's better than the current one. ~ Tracyn 16:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That one was used before. I would add it but there's already a Kieran Halcyon image in there.  Maybe put it somewhere else.. -Finlayson 21:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Isn't the current image Kyp Durron?
 * It was used by me, its not ganner, its either corran or kyp. Jedi Dude 22:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe that's a silver lightsaber. If so, that's Horn. -Finlayson 02:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Then again Horn is described as having a beard early in Dark Tide I. -Finlayson 15:00, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That's why I think we should put the pic of him with beard on there again. The current one is causing only confusion. I'd say either one of the NEGTC images, or the one from the Japanese Final Prophecy cover ~ Tracyn 15:27, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. -Finlayson 17:52, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright, I replaced the image with the one from TFP. If this image is not wanted, feel free to revert. ~ Tracyn 19:46, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

NJO Section is Lacking

 * A good portion of the war is glazed over. Corran returns for a pretty big role in the the EoV duology, and was mentioned throughout many of the books after, yet the article skips from Dark Tide all the way to TFP.  Also it fails to mention his return to Rogue squadron during the war (I think this was mentioned somewhere in DW) ThrawnRocks 23:42, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * True. More details from Dark Tide would help.  He does more than just fight Shedao Shai.  -Fnlayson 21:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I added a few sentences on what Corran did in the Dark Tide books. Please review. -Fnlayson 01:29, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

LotF
He's in Bloodlines, so should the part at the bottom about him being excluded be taken out?--Etapelba 20:59, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

missing stories
how come there isn't anything in here about his capture of zeka thyne or his trip to garqi the first time? i think those are important because he made a enemy with thyne cause of his arrest and the trip to garqi is the reason he joined rogue sqadron? should we add these or will it make the story too long? Groode hdoge 19:03, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Rank...

 * Someone added to the article that by the time of 19 ABY, he held the rank of Commander. Any sources on that, because I think he was already Major, if not Colonel. When he entered service again in Dark Tide, he was Colonel, and I think it's rather weird when he got promoted twice while out of service (from Commander->Major->Colonel). ~ Tracyn (Talk) [[Image:Mandoinsignia.jpg|15px]] 10:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, from what I inferred, Commander is the rank just junior to General (as Wedge is a Commander for the early X-Wing novels and refuses a promotion to General). Unless Wedge is being promoted an excessive amount at once, that puts Commander at the top of the "junior" office ranks.  IMO, it would go: Captain->Major->Colonel->Commander .  I get most of these relations from Star Wars: X-Wing: Isard's Revenge when all of the characters are promoted while still retaining their unit structure.  Wedge becomes a General, his second-in-command becomes a Commander (Tycho), his two senior leaders (Hobbie and Wes) become Colonels and Corran (the last flight leader) becomes a Major.  I need to double-check this against my book when I get home, but I believe that's the way it goes. -M.Madison (not logged in) 12.163.186.226 14:19, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm reading The Bacta War right now and Corran is a Leiutenant, so unless he gets promoted from Lt. to Capt. between this book and Isard's Revenge, then he must get bumped up to Captain in Isard's Revenge, not to Major. - JMAS 14:47, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Right. In Isard's Revenge, Wedge is promoted to General, Tycho to Colonel, Hobbie and Wes both to Major, Corran and Gavin to Captain and the rest of the Rogues to "something other than Flight Officers" (Lt probably).  -Fnlayson 17:25, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

"Stackpole's Mary Sue" worth mentioning?
I was reading I, Jedi and it occurred to me that Corran could be considered a Mary Sue, i.e. a character created by the author who goes on to upstage all the established characters. Stackpole not only retcons the events of 11 ABY to include Horn, but also throws all kinds of threats into the mix that weren't seen in KJA's books and shows us that if Corran weren't there to save the day behind the scenes, then Luke and everybody else would be pretty thoroughly boned.

On top of that, Corran also criticizes Luke's handling of Kyp Durron, believing that Kyp needs to be sent to Kessel or something even though he's no longer under Kun's control and has been redeemed. This may or may not be Stackpole voicing his opinions on the subject using Corran as a proxy. If so, it would explain why Luke is unable to satisfactorily counter Corran's arguments and just kind of grudgingly acknowledges that Corran is making sense, but still disagrees with him.

In addition to that, Corran has more insight into things during the Jedi Academy portion of the book than anybody else. The way he mentions that the ideas being batted around by the other students wouldn't be good enough to trap a stintaril, let alone Kun, and then goes on to tell them what to do after Kun is no longer listening in, and everybody is like "Yeah, what a great idea! That's what we'll do!"

I also found this thread:

http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=79578&start=60

Almost forgot: besides the Rogue Squadron comics from Dark Horse, I can't think of a single story off the top of my head written by Stackpole that didn't feature Corran or Hal Horn. Even in the comics, Corran made a guest appearance in a couple of issues.

If this is too POV I apologize, but it just seems a bit too blatant to ignore entirely.--HanShotFirst 21:35, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * A couple of comic issues is almost nothing. There's a ton of RS comics Horn is Not in.  You have to remember I, Jedi is written from Horn's perspective and he is arrogant until he really decides to be a Jedi on Courkrus.  -Fnlayson 23:05, 24 January 2007 (UTC)