Talk:Meetra Surik/Archive7

GENDER
okay i know the exile is cannoically (however you say it?) but what's the source for this?
 * If you haven't noticed, the word "Female" has a small superscript number next to it. Click on it to see where this particular fact is from. (Or, alternatively, read the talk page archive. Or the "Behind the scenes" section.) - Sikon 09:47, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The New Essential Guide to Droids is the official canon source. --School of Thrawn 101 09:58, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's only one book about droids? What will happen if another canon book is written where the exile is male? This entry should be labeled as non-verifiable on some items. A few sentences out of a book about droids is hardly enough to base an entire entry about the Jedi Exile off of. -Siadhail 28 July 2007
 * There won't be another canon work that will label the Exile as male. The selection of the gender in the book was the decision of LFL, not the individual author, and, as such, has been put into the "holocron", the official LFL canon repository. Future EU writers draw from this work and treat it as gospel, as a result, any future book will label the Exile as female. The one exception is the hypothetical KOTOR III videogame, which will most likely allow a selectable gender again. This, however, is not canon, merely gameplay mechanics. QuentinGeorge 07:25, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * In the guide for KotOR2, the exile is male in all of it so the Exile should be MALE right? Ureachicken2 15:55, 25 February 2008 (UTC)Ureachicken2
 * No, strategy guides are non-canon, at the very least in comparions with genuine C-Canon sources like the Essential Guides. --Niirfa-sa 23:30, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The Jedi Exile is a female, okay. I always wonder why people complain about the Jedi Exile being female but not ever the idea that Revan is a male. I mean, seriously, although I'm a male myself, I don't ever tolerate ageism, sexism, or racism and I would say that this is kind of like sexism since people doubt that it is a canon that the Jedi Exile is female but they don't doubt that Revan is a male.

I'm not asking people to question the fact that Revan is a male because he is canonically male. I'm asking people to stop questioning the fact that the Jedi Exile is a female because it's making them sound sexist. 01:37, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's pretty stupid that this decision is left up to one asian guy. There should be a vote for this sort of thing. Unless George Lucas himself came forward and stated "Yeah, the exile should be female", I will not agree. The fact is that this is a customizable character in a game, and the gamer community disapproves of this decision. So long as the gamer community exists, this decision will still be heavily looked down on by it. This is not about sexism, this is about the fact that the story is being ruined for thousands if not millions of gamers. If you can't see that, then you are blind. Thank you. SPS 20:09, 28 February 2008 (UTC) ok lets put it at the fact that in the game you chose your gender not that the game chooses for you its a diffrent game if do anything diffrent then you did the first time.
 * And precisely what is "stupid" about a female Exile - other than that it doesn't fit your own personal opinion? Do you, for instance, have a problem with a male Revan? In case you're wondering Leland Chee is appointed by LucasFilm (i.e., George Lucas and company) to make these kinds of decisions. Nor did he actually write the Essential Guide to Droids in which this was written. So this was not a unilateral decision by one man. It was decision made by several people. And if canon was decided by voting I think we'd be far worse off. Canon is about telling a story - it's not a round-robin or a democracy. The owners of the license and their employees are the ones who decide. Not the fans. As the flyer at the top of the page says - get over it. --Niirfa-sa 22:41, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Though I agree with the person above regarding game mechanics, I happen to agree with you that this is a Star Wars wiki so it should stick to Star Wars canon mainly (even if I don't like it--the canon on these two is much less satisfying for me than the 'reality' I play; leaves Carth and Brianna with next to nothing, though I like Mical, too, and don't want him dumped on the wayside the way Carth and Brianna have been). I think Revan being male is "stupid" for many more reasons than Exile being female is "stupid", but I wouldn't argue about it here as much as I would love to have a canon female Revan and a male Exile, since this IS a Star Wars wiki, not Wikipedia.  WIKIPEDIA is the one that should quit with all the fans grouching and getting into edit-wars over their genders, imposing fiction on reality, and admit it's a game and stop saying the 'wrong' genders are 'right' when that's an entirely in-universe decision, not reflecting the games or the experience of players except for roughly 1/4 of each game. 71.110.172.33 13:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The article already notes that you can be male in the game. There's no point in pushing this issue any further. --Niirfa-sa 02:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Name?
What is the explination as to why we don't know the exile's name. I know why, but what is the canon reason Due to the progress of a prominent fanfiction novel based on the Mandalorian Wars, the Exile was given the name 'Kayla Dryllen,' a Jedi Knight whose homeworld was Dantooine. This is merely a fanfiction, is not canon (only an interpretation) and the name is most likely still up-for-grabs, or as mentioned before, she has no name. on the offical poster of kotor 2 jedi exile seems to be male
 * Everyone else but the audience knows the name. And obviously we can't ask the "actors" what the name is. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 21:24, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is one. And new conversations go at the bottom. Please sign your posts using four tildes ~ . Chack Jadson 21:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Principally because the player makes it up. Revan was known due to it being the big twist in the first game. Personally, I like to think the Exile is Vima Sunrider. BlacAce bt 01:49, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ugh, prominent fan fiction? From what I have read, it is not at all compatible with the known timeline. Please keep this sort of thing over at TFN and kotorfanmedia.com.--76.104.138.204 20:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Maybe the exiles name should remain a mystery, form one Fanfic writer to an other fanfic writer to who ever was thinking of naming the exile, don't force your opinions on others, same goes with names :)
 * Please sign all of your comments using four tildes ( ~ ), Thank you. --Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 10:24, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Note
The lengthy discussions previously here have been put in the third archive. If you want to start a discussion, you may want to check one of the previous archives to see if your points have been raised already. If you want to start up a discussion complaining about the Exile being female: please do so on another site, unless you can find a genuinely new point and can do so without insulting other editors or the Lucasfilm people responsible for setting the female lightside Exile as canon. Thanks. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 15:25, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Lightsaber of the Jedi Exile
Although the player has the choice on what type and color the lightsaber is that Atris takes out during their conversation at the Telos Academy, if the player declines to talk about the lightsaber after Peragus, the default lightsaber is a single-bladed cyan-colored lightsaber.

I would like to know where this piece of information came from, as well as any instances in the game it is verified. In my experience, if the lightsaber discussion with Atton is dismissed, the default lightsaber of the Exile is single-bladed, and the colour depends on her class (yellow for the Sentinal class, blue for Guardian and green for Consular). This is shown during the Trial of the Exile cinematic, where she proceeds to stab her ignited lightsaber into the center stone.

Where did the idea of a cyan lightsaber come from? --Chaota 20:59, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That's bizzare Chaota; I've played that scene a dozen times myself, and if the question of the Exile's lightsaber was dismissed it is always set to single blade Cyan. And I've done that scene with all three starting classes. I'm not certain why it would be different for you. Master Kavar 21:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The Exile was a general in the Mandalorian Wars. She probably started out with a standard color, but changed it to something that suited her better. It should also be noted that cyan is halfway between green and blue, possibly implying a balance between Jedi Consular and Jedi Guardian.--Atlas503 05:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Gaaahh! Not gameplay mechanics again. - Sikon 06:21, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that might be looking a little too deep into it Atlas, it's just a random color after all. It wouldn't really matter what the color was...except maybe red, that would probably raise a few eyebrows. Master Kavar 07:35, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well a few Jedi had red lightsabers, without falling, or haven fallen to the darkside. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 12:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * So I've heard, but those Jedi were all from the New Jedi Order of Luke Skywalker, correct? Master Kavar 23:41, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope, Adi Galia is an example 81.76.30.151 23:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Adi Galia is, like, THE example. It may not have been law that red = evil, but it's the general impression that everyone gets. "Wait, you didn't go red, did you? [...] Great. After we're all dead, you and that Sith can have a party."

- Atton Rand (paraphrased)


 * NOTE: For whatever reason the Jedi Exile has a cyan lightsaber, cyan is in the middle of blue and green on the color spectrum. This could be an indicator that the Exile was a balance between a Jedi Consular and a Jedi Guardian, or it could be a complete and total coincidence.--Atlas503 07:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That's an interesting take, but the game already presents a balance between Consular and Guardian: the Jedi Sentinel. -BaronGrackle 14:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but if you hadn't noticed, the Sentinel - by the game stats - is not a thorough balance. It is the complete opposite of the Consular, and then there's the Guardian out there all by itself. If Atlas's hypothesis is accurate, then it may go to say that the Exile might have been a Sentinel, but sought a more balanced existence between the two extreme classes; other than that which we see in the game mechanics. But then again, other than the default cyan, all of this is just speculation.--Master Dakari 14:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Problem: The main image of this article is saying that the Exile's lightsaber was cyan while she fought Traya at the game's end. 70.106.243.99 20:51, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * thats a problem true. someone who has the means, should change the color of the main image to whatever grey scale the image for jaden korr is set too.
 * What about the picture of her trial? It shows her with a green saber. Someone should change this. By the way, Atlas, A'Sharad Hett had not one, but TWO red lightsabers, and he stayed with the light. - Milo Fett [Comlink] 23:13, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The green saber shown in the article is just one person's interpretation. -Jedi Striker 12:15, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If you don't tell atton what your lightsabre was like, it's randomly generated, I believe.--Logan Felipe 02:59, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * In the article for Lightsabers, in the known blade colours section, Adi Gallia is noted to use a Crimson blade. There are other Lightsaber colours similar to red too, like Magenta. Although I can't think of excuse as to why A'Sharad Hett has two red blades. So I give up in reasoning that red is reserved for Sith, perhaps just tradition has it that Jedi usually use other colours instead of red. Which would make sense as A'Sharad Hett doesn't seem like the traditional sort of Jedi. But back to this topic anyway, in my experience, I've found that if the PC chooses not to answer Atton's question about the Jedi Exile's blade colour, that the blade is blue. And although I can't remember, in the Jedi Exile's Trial cutscene, it seems to make sense if the colour of the blade depends on class of the Jedi that the player chooses. However it makes just as much sense for that colour to be whichever colour answered by Atton's Lightsaber colour question on the Ebon Hawk. Master Kavar, are you sure that the blade is cyan, I've never seen that colour blade in an un-modded version of any KotOR game, one idea I have, it's not the brightness or contrast of your screen is it? Or is it actually a cyan blade? Anyone have proof on this? As in an image or something. - TheLostJedi  00:42, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

In my experience, if you save before you get the crystal or crystals from Jorran on Dantooine, you can get a different crystal color every time you open the file. Once I got an orange crystal and a cyan crystal along with the lightsaber part. And if you look at the cheat codes for the game, it gives a cheat to give you a CYAN LIGHTSABER CRYSTAL.


 * It's funny looking back now that we know the identity of Lord Krayt. :P Livingston  [[Image:Jedi Order2.jpg|25px]] ( The Force will be with you. Always. ) 17:47, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Is the Crew really dead?
I just have one question to ask: In the Light Side ending of KotOR II, have your companions (Besides T3-M4) really died? Because I'm not sure. Any helpful comments would be appreciated, as I'm completely confused. Exile Catherine 02:23, 7 January 2007 (UTC) Exile_Catherine
 * As I recall, at least some of them are supposed to have gone on to help rebuild the Jedi Order. That's what Kreia's prophecies say, anyway. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:19, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought too, but a lot of articles say that only T3 and the Exile survived, so that confused me. Exile Catherine 02:24, 7 January 2007 (UTC) Exile_Catherine
 * Which ones? -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] Talk 02:26, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Cut content from the game actually answer this, but i won't include spoilers here. See Team Gizka's, The Sith Lords Restoration Project site. BlacAce bt 01:56, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Language proficiency
Whatever languages Exile understands, she understands because of her own skills. The player isn't even required to pick up the HK vocabulator. Of course, she doesn't speak Shyriiwook, as it's only possible for Wookiees, but she understands it. - Sikon 07:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Whether or not the player picks up the Sonic Imprint Sensor, the game assumes that the Exile has it. It's explained in a conversation with HK:

''HK-47: Query: Master, excuse me, one thing I have noticed as we travel the galaxy - you seem to possess the ability to understand a variety of alien languages. Forgive me, but that does not seem in keeping with my assessment of your talents.''

Exile: I picked up a sonic imprint sensor on Peragus - it doubles as a translator.

''HK-47: Answer: Because it seems to know all the languages I do, and I am feeling degrees of familiarity and inferiority both at once. ... Indeed, it seems to be modeled after my vocabulator, with some modifications, of course.''


 * From that conversation the game seems to imply that the Exile knows only a limited amount of languages, and surely not one as obscure as Shyriiwook. As far as I can tell, the only languages that the Exile has been confirmed as knowing on her own is galactic basic and droid speak. Master Kavar 08:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, the sensor. I get it now. - Sikon 08:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes but remember, this could have been something leftover from the cut content. That whole conversation was supposed to somehow or other lead to the HK Factory. [tikalal] 58.107.210.176 06:51, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Something I noticed: The Exile doesn't even know what a Wookiee is... so how else can she know Shyriiwook unless she is relying on the use of the sonic-imprint vocabulator thing... _Kath.Hound 14:02, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * She is.  Jasca Ducato Sith Council 19:59, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I have an idea!
So I was reading the "arguments" over this very very stupid debate of male vs. female Exile. Some arguments I laughed at, some I cried for. This is just ridiculous. So here's an idea: we create two seperate articles! I know, I'm brilliant. Now, in order to avoid people getting their panties in a knot, we could name the article (gasp!) something not referencing sex! Now, fulfilling this feat is not for the weak of mind; it is something that only the brightest of this community can contemplate on. After all, the last thing we want is an article labeled, "MALE JEDI EXILE LOL!!!1" My suggestion for the name of this proposed article: "Substantial Alternate Plotlines for KOTOR2." With a title like this, we can talk about ALL of the alternate plotlines for the game, not just gender change. This way, the femi-nazis don't bitch about it, and the chauvinist pigs can shut face. Do the same for KOTOR1 and we've got two very full, very rich articles right there.

For those of you worried about canon issues, consider this: the game is considered canon. Therefore, all the plotlines are considered canon. After all, alternate timelines are considered as much canon as anything else. This is just an extension from that, really.

You all have to admit, if it weren't for the fact that this sparked a hot debate, the very idea of a Behind the Scenes section taking up half an article would be shunted to a seperate article in a heartbeat. Sirius Shadowflame 20:13, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I once felt the same way about creating two profiles to satisfy everyone, but after giving it some thought I know believe it works better the way it is now. Some people are unhappy about the canonizing of the Exile, but the character now transcends her video game origins, and the article should reflect the "official" character she is. The rest of the "alternative" data about the Exile from the video game works just fine as a BTS section. There's no reason why both sides can't be presented, but they're (unfortunately) not equal, and shouldn't be presented as such. Master Kavar 20:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It would only serve to satisfy the people who can't accept canon. A stupid idea. That's the problem with the world today. Everyone has to be satisfied. No such thing as "tough luck" anymore...-- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 21:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No separate articles. The alternate storyline is already covered in the BTS section of the main article. - Sikon 07:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I like the idea. Sometimes the canon can get too... important and it ruins the greatness of Star Wars. The game is absolutley wonderful, but the canon thing... kind of ruins it. If you like that the exile is a female, then play as a female exile. But if you like a male exile more, than play the male exile. I played both, and I say that I liked playing the male exile more, because Brianna is a better fighter than Mical... and you don't have a cracked flesh Sith Lord who loves you. User talk:Dacen Bassak 17:04, 23 March, 2007
 * The article on the Jedi Exile is an article about a canonical Star Wars character, not the game. For an article about the game, see Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords. - Sikon 11:21, 24 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Canon cannot be reduced to being based on one book about droids.

Unblock the article for edits!
Look, it's been so many months since the article was blocked because of the whole gender issue. I think we're just about done with that whole issue, so unblock it! If anyone tries to make changes, we block them. Jedi Striker 16:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It is unlocked. The only reason you can't edit it is because you're not logged in. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 21:13, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, then I am sooooo stupid. But my background and editing windows keep getting screwed up whenever I log in. Jedi Striker 12:03, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Exile vs. Revan?
I don't know if this could be considered canonical or not, but since there's no level cap in KotOR II, the Exile can become significantly more powerful than Revan in the first one. Do you think we ought to make some reference to that in the P&A section? The masters at the Enclave said that her power came from "leeching" off of others.

Eowynjedi 23:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Levels are game mechanics. Game mechanics = not canon. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 23:03, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps because I've so often claimed that various things are not game mechanics, I feel compelled to voice my assent with Redemption. As for the "leeching", I believe Kreia stated it was a power that Revan also possessed. Oh, and here's a fun side-note: don't you just love KOTOR 2's explanations for game mechanics? How can Darth Sion take such a beating and still live? / Answer: Master, you and your companions fall "unconscious" and get back up all the time, so it seems pretty common. &mdash; and of course &mdash; You mean I'm leeching off of others? / Well, yeah. You didn't notice that you get stronger every time you kill someone? What did you think you were doing, leveling-up? -BaronGrackle 15:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Those aren't really in-game explanations so much as in-game jokes. [[Image:DarthAbeonisSig2.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 21:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it is cannon because after you deafet Darth Traya she says you are greater than any i have ever trained, that includes reven. oh and by the way kotor2 does have a level cap it is 50-Darth Morder
 * when does she say the exile is greater/the most powerful than any she has ever trained? revan was described as the heart of the force while the exile is the death of the force. those are oposites and since she wanted the force to die, i think traya is biased and revan is far more powerful.
 * Darth Traya says it on malachor v after you deafeat her, her exact words are, "you are far greater than any i have ever trained, by killing me here you have rewarded me more than you can possibly know.-Darth Morder
 * Could just be flattery, or her trying to deal with her recent defeat. I don't think we can count a dying womens last words as a source, unless it's coherent speech. [[Image:DarthAbeonisSig2.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 15:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Or it could be coherent speech. Obviously. She doesn't sound any different. You could just as well say "hmmm I think she was taking drugs".

Top Jedi
To me the Exile is one of the best Jedi ever. She defeated Darth Nihilus,discouarge Sion, and killed Kreia. Sion and Nobody were easy, but defeating Kreia was amazing feat. Kreia was a master stagiest, and yet the Exile still won, she is amazing.
 * Talk pages aren't the place to post your thoughts on your favourite characters. They're for discussions of the article itself - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Alignment of the Jedi Exile
I apologize profusely in advance if I am bringing up a subject that has already been beaten to death several times...Is the Exile LS, DS, or Neutral? If any of these, where is it stated? Grand Moff Rhell 23:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

The NEGTD describes her as a heroine, implying LSF. Lord Patrick 05:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

And the NEGTD says that G0-T0 was killed by HK-47 and the '51s, I think. And that is the light side. RDMio 16:41, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Image
Can we get an image for the male Exile face options? Like this but male? Telos 04:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * For what reason? Last time I did this request for the female Revan heads, it went to waste. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 04:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't exactly know why I want it... I suppose I could use it for articles I have made on Star Wars Fanon Wiki... If you don't think my reason is good enough I don't mind if you don't supply the pic. Telos 05:30, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * We may be able to put it in the article somewhere... Telos 20:50, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It could go in the Behind the scenes section.--Logan Felipe 03:01, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Jedi weaponmaster
Was the Exile a jedi weaponmaster, because she master many forms in a matter of seconds.--Sunquan 23:14, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * There is no canon info on that. - TopAce 18:37, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Besides, many jedi were skilled with multiple weapons. Jedi master Rimsek 01:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * She also mastered many force forms, depending on the class of the player. 58.107.210.176 06:33, 18 June 2007 [tikalal] (UTC)

Revision Ideas
Hello everyone! I've revised the 'significance' section offline. However, due to the block I will post it here. Sysops do what you will with it.

== Significance == "You were always a difficult one to read&mdash;both when you were tied to the Force, and even more when it was lost to you."

- Zez-Kai Ell

The ramifications of the Exile's actions were still being felt throughout the galaxy nearly 4,000 years after the defeat of Kreia. The Jedi she trained would go on to resurrect the decimated Jedi order into a body that would number thousands until Palpatine's great purge. Furthermore, the actions she took on Dantooine, Onderon, and Telos would ensure the solidification of a republic that had been teetering on collapse, and prolong its existence for several thousand more years. Whether this ultimately proved to have positive or negative effect was certainly a subject of debate among historians for centuries to come. Whatever the result, it is undeniable that the Exile was an extraordinary example of a single individual upon which the fate of the Galaxy, for albeit a brief time, pivoted. Jedi Revan 19:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Umm... there's mention of a HK-50 droid being sealed on the Ebon Hawk. I don't think that is correct... in the game at least the HK-50 on board seems to have exited the craft on its own power, and when you enter the craft there is a 'sealed' room, but it contains a broken HK-47. The way the story of the game made it sound, Kreia and the Exile were incapacitated for various reasons, T3 managed to guide the vessel into dock, and the protocol droid explained what was going on, then took over the station. I'm just not sure if sealed is the correct word to refer to HK-50.

JediRevan, is bang on, but there's more to it than that alone, when you really begin to analyze it. Which is the Mandalorians themselves, the last of them was Jango Fett (from what I understand, and Kreia seemingly giving a description of their final end by Mace Windu's killing Jango Fett), but what caused the initial catalyst for their slow extinction? Malachor V. Who was the one who gave the order to activate the Mass Shadow Generator that caused the "near genocidal incident" as HK-47 put it, nearly wiping them out and bring about their eventual destruction? The Exile. Whose genes were the Clone army based off of? Jango Fett. Were it not for the Exile's actions at Malachor V the Clone army can be supposed to likely never being brought about, because historical events would have played out completely different, and so when you really begin to look at things from there, everything changes. The first Jedi Purge, the Jedi Order's rebuilding or "reformation" by the "true Lost Jedi" afterward trained by the Exile, the Sith "Rule of Two" inspired by Revan's teachings/holocron, Palpatine's coup d'etat, the Clone army, the second Jedi Purge, the "return of the Jedi", the Sith's end... everything would have been so different. "Strong influence, indeed." Sumerland124 07:20, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Name Generator
I'm sure this has already been addressed, but how is "Lann Darth" an easter egg? Darth may be a sith title, but it's hardly an easter egg. Jedi master Rimsek   02:26, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, I checked the archives, and it was addressed, but no answer was given. Jedi master Rimsek   [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] 02:27, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Revan's trust
It says on one of the loading screens in kotor2 that Revan's forces at Malachor V were made up of those whose loyalties to him lay in doubt. Does that mean that the exile wasn't trusted by/didn't trust Revan. Also it needs a new picture. - unsigned(but its me) 17:14, 15 March 2007
 * It's likely. Plus, if the Exile was as powerful as Revan (as game mechanics would imply), then it's likely that Revan would have seen her as a threat if she remained a lightsider. [[Image:DarthAb.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 19:04, 15 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ya, but if he didn't trust "her", then why was she given power over the Mass Shadow Generator? User:Uric Dracus 09:52, 30 March 2007
 * Likely because he expected her to use it. MPK 12:32, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry but for something as simple as game mechanics, I just don't see the Jedi Exile as being more powerful than Revan, sadly as the sequel traditions go, the developers just had to make everything bigger, bolder and better, including levels-up. Also if you believe that the Jedi Exile was as powerful as Revan during the Mandalorian Wars, then you have to think of WHEN the Jedi Exile got many high levels-up in KotOR II, this was a while after KotOR in which Revan could have improved his levels since then. I would hardly call defeating someone who's already dead, a corpse without a descent bone structure and a battered old woman with no hands an impressive feat anyway, despite their abilities in the Force. - TheLostJedi  22:48, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree TheLostJedi. You're playing down greatly who the Exile defeated. That someone who's already dead, could drain whole planets of life, just by speaking, and escaped death by storing their consciousness in their armor. That corpse without a descent bone structure couldn't be defeated in a battle of flesh and blood. That old woman with only one hand was the leader of the Sith Triumvirate, very powerful in the force, so much so she could alter what others saw, feign death, and besides, she could wield 3 lightsabers just through the force, and who's to say she couldn't wield more? [tikalal]58.107.210.176 06:40, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Also, correct me if I'm wrong (I haven't played KOTOR2 in a fair amount of time,) but wasn't Darth Nihilus severely weakened because of the Exile being a wound in the Force? Seeing as though he can wipe out planets, I doubt at the height of his power the Exile ,or indeed pretty much anyone, would be able to defeat him. Again, just mho.
 * Yeah but Revan proved capable of single-handedly defeating two Terantateks at once, which many other Jedi found extremely difficult even with significant backup. I'm not saying that the Exile was weak by any means, but she was, at best, Revan's equal. Anyway, just mho.

Race
The pictures we have all show the exile as light-skinned. If we're not showing her face or giving her name because neither has been canonically established, then why are we showing her skin color? - Milo Fett [Comlink] 23:22, 17 March 2007 (UTC) OK, thanks. - Milo Fett [Comlink] 02:53, 18 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure the only pictures that should be there are the infobox and BTS ones. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 23:56, 17 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I plan on fixing those images so it's unclear as to what her race is. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 00:17, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Category:Republic Navy admirals?
Source? - Sikon 06:45, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The game. She was said to have "&hellip;lead the Republic fleet that defeated us at Malachor&hellip;" (or something similar) by Canderous Ordo. [[Image:DarthAb.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 08:56, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * That doesn't mean she was an Admiral. - Sikon 09:11, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

"Admirals, also known generally as flag officers, were typically responsible for a high level military command at battle group or fleet level, and/or for administrative and political duties relating to naval operations."

- Admiral article


 * The Exile lead the Republic fleet both administratively and militarily, thus, she was an admiral. [[Image:DarthAb.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 09:33, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Just because she led the Republic fleet doesn't mean she actually held the military rank of Admiral. Besides, we know she was a Jedi General. - Sikon 10:21, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sikon's right. There are plenty of cases where fleets are led by generals instead of admirals (Wedge Antilles, Keyan Farlander and Garm Bel Iblis to name a few) and she is referred to as 'General' throughout the game by Bao-Dur. Green Tentacle (Talk) 10:26, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't care either way, but if you look at the description for the category, you will see that it includes Generals, as well as Jedi Generals; because they controlled fleets. [[Image:DarthAb.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 14:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * But Who's to say the republic navy admiral page is entirely correct? It doesn't exactly make much sense. It differentiates between admiral and republic navy admiral. If they were an admiral in the republic navy, doesn't that imply that they're a republic navy admiral? Just a little? Jedi master Rimsek   [[Image:Chiss Insignia.jpg|20px]] My rantings 20:48, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm just going by what the category says. the category says it includes Admirals, Generals and Jedi generals. Of whish the Exile was one. [[Image:DarthAb.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 21:14, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I understand that, but the article doesn't make much sense. Should we remove the tag until this is resolved? [[Image:Jedi master Rimsek.jpg]][[Image:Chiss Insignia.jpg|20px]] My rantings 22:22, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * We should replace this tag with one about interactions with other notable jedi, eg. Jolee Bindo, Revan, even Bastila. User:Uric Dracus 10:09, 30 March 2007

personality
a personality section should be added. all we have to go by is what definately happened before the game. two things which spring to mind are vrook and vandar's conversation(shown by robot on dantooine) and the stabbing of the lightsaber into the central stone. this seems to show that she/he was hot tempered and not exactly the ideal jedi. this could also mean she/he was a guardian, though thats just a theory. just wanted to say something could be added about that. - unsigned

I think a small personality section could be added from that, although her being a guardian is in no way canon, so no to that part. What we do know about her personality from what others say: Vrook: Today I caught her in a heated argument with my Padawan! Her Master refuses to properly discipline... (static) ...I want to know what action you intend! Vandar: Vrook, I respect your wisdom, but it is not your concern. Vrook: But... (static) uncontrolled! (static)... whatever the other Padawans see her do, they are quick to do the same... (static) other students dislike her intensely! Vandar: True, an average student of the Force... (static) but with a unique strength... (static) is a natural leader... Vrook: I strongly disagree... (static) mediocre Jedi... (static) lust for power! (static) ...will lead to the dark side! Furthermore it... (static, cuts off) -  Sarendipity  Talk 19:06, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * She didn't cut herself off from others as was common for Jedi to do, which is part of why she formed such strong bonds.
 * Among all the Jedi who served in the wars, she was the only one to return to face the council. After Malachor V, she cut herself off from the Force and forsook the company of others. She was the only known Jedi to survive the war and not follow Revan afterward. All of this says something about her character.
 * The exact quotes from the conversation between Vandar and Vrook:
 * Atris also says that when she stabbed her lightsaber into the center stone, she was "so right, so sure of it, I doubted myself." I don't think it shows a short temper so much as frustration with the council.


 * I agree that a Personality section should be added, I mean,that's just my opinion, but anyways. . . I think a notable thing is her defensive comments towards the Ebon Hawk! *Laughs* Exile Catherine 19:14, 24 April 2007 (UTC)Exile_Catherine


 * I don't feel there is enough information for a personality section. For example, the player can deviate completely from what was said by other characters. http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/f/f2/Jedi_master_Rimsek.jpg [[Image:Chiss Insignia.jpg|20px]] 15:48, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hm. . . Good point. Exile Catherine 19:44, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I've added a Personality section based upon the canon ending for the game, though it still leaves a bit of an open interpretation of the Exile.--Goodwood 06:00, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

jedi exile novel
I am an author, and Ive be thinking about writing a book on KOTOR 2. I would like to know how to contact George Lucas to get permission to do so. Also if I write it I would make the Jedi Exile a Dark Jedi and would explain why (so it wouldn't be fan-fiction). Would this work? Please respond on how to contact him and my question.
 * [personal attack removed] -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 01:21, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * What our rather frank but nonetheless correct friend means is, writing Star Wars fiction is basically by invite-only. And even so, George Lucas really has nothing to do with author selection. The general advice is to establish yourself as a sci-fi author and hope Del Rey takes notice. Otherwise, fan-fiction is the way to go. -- Ozzel 01:32, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * [personal attack removed] Say it like it is... Or it was. 15:40, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * [personal attack removed] Jasca Ducato Sith campaign 16:01, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * We all have hopes and dreams of writing our own fan-fiction and making it into official canon, but I'm sorry, it's a nice idea, but it's really unlikely to happen unless you have connections or have a lot of determination to do so. She is Light Side anyway, why a Dark Jedi? I like the Jedi Exile how she is, she even returns to face the council, really think about this question... what canon information would make you think she would really be of the Darker Side? - TheLostJedi  23:03, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

ohh belive me have sources. i really dont care if she? he is a girl or not, theres no way in hell it light side. all this info comes from not just common sence, but from relable sources. and what i lack in connections i make up for in determination. but me and Redemtion have griped about this enough, so im not going ot open up old wounds. by the way i m sorry for vandilising your site Redemtion it was uncalled for.


 * I really don't think you have the right to do something like that. The Exile is open ended and his fate, gender, and alliance are chosen by the player. Also, I think Revan is canonically lightsided, and I think the canonical ending of KOTOR:2, and other media, state that the Exile trained his comrades into Jedi Masters, and Brianna, the Handmaiden, rebuilds the order on Telos. What I mean by Revan being lightsided is, if the Exile follows (canonically) Revan beyond the outer rim, to make war on the Sith Empire, how is he darksided?

I just don't think you have the right to impose your favourite version of the story onto everyone else. [tikalal] (Note that when I called the Exile "he", it was out of habbit. I'm not implying anything about gender.)

personally i usally play as a female lightside, but i personally belive that acoording to the most cannonical story line that the exile is a darkside. you see if the exile is lightside then the entirerty of the sith is whiped out and no ones left to take over. if it is darkside then the disiple becomes the teacher at his own acadamy. the only way it balances with all the other movies and books (such as Bane: Paths of Destruction) is if exile is darkside

youve conviced me. ill make the exile female, but still i m going to make her darkside. ive looked over all the evidence and it seems to point out it is a she, but even more evidence says the exile is a sith. and the way i see it, the driod in the new essential guide to driods(be it GOTO or HK-47, Ive heard both) would probably have a very screwed vison of a hero. Hk's would be who ever killed the most people, and GOTO's would be whoever brought balance to the galaxy, through the sith or jedi. In fact he stated he didnt care which.

1 the exile is a jedi. 2 The jedi order would be completely wiped out if the exile was darkside, while the sith might return because they are spawned from lust for power. The jedi on the otherhand would have a much harder time returning. 3 Light side would be more in line with the movies the jedi order rebuilt and strong, while the sith are beleived to be wiped out, until the middle of episode 1. 4 sighn with 4 ~ Jawajedi 00:37, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

not true. in fact the very opposite is true. the jedi had mical, who was jedi trained, the sith only had the exile. and have you ever read the paths of destruction? the sith order is stong then. the only way for that to be possible is if the a very knowlageable sith came to power, which all who knew of the sith teachings would have been killed if the exile was light side.so i have to agree with him/her, the exile is sith.

thank you. so im not the only other person who belives that.and quite frankly any one who wants to debate about it, just put what you think right here. i dare you. just dont make it a personal attack so i can read it. i m not here to make friends as ive shown redemtion, im here to straiten out the facts. thats why im writing this book. thats right i really am starting it stage 1: send a summary to mr lucas's company asking per4mission. so if you have anything to say, go on.....
 * "Perhaps. Perhaps not. For every Jedi slain, for every Sith slain, another rises." -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 23:28, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

but they allways have a teacher. the only one cannidate that could arrise for the sith is the exile, because everyone else died. there are, however two cannadates for the leader of the jedi. the exile.... or the disiple, mical. i belive when the exile met mical she/he met their worst enemy, which is why i used to think the exile was a dude. and like i said, both Goto and Hk-47 would have a very pervese idea of a hero, so the exile still could be evil. kind of like how in fable, the hero is a "hero" wherther or not he is good.
 * Either way doesn't matter at this present point in time as there is no current work that makes that canon. So instead of sitting here, wasting your time (and mine) trying to convince me and the rest of Wookieepedia otherwise, how about you get to work on that novel you are so eager to write... -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 01:18, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

If you were dark side (and assumingly got influence) mical would fall to the darkside. And no I haven't read path of destruction...But I'm assuming it also had a Jedi order. Like I said, the sith are spawned from lust for power, a knowledgble jedi (like Atris) could have easily fallen and brought the sith back to power. Also the writer of the book is considering the Exile a heroine not Hk-47 and Goto. Sighn youre posts with 4 ~ Edit: the book also reconizes the exile as a heroine in the T3 section, and he would obviously consider a sith. not. a. heroine.Jawajedi 01:26, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

first of all, in my book, Michal is not influenced by the exile. secondlly, t3 is, so he is turrned to the dark side. and thirdly, redemtion, the reason for this book is to have a cannonical working to go with my theory. and the way ill play itr out will have the support of the new essencial guide to driods.lastly, dont talk on this page until you at least have a small bit of undenyable knowlage about the sith order after kreia's fall(in other words read paths of destuction, cause until you do ,you know nothing. or at least do reasearch about darth bane) that awy you at least can put some knowlageable input in. i welcom theoretical thinking, but only if you can prove it
 * Anon, Redemption likely has more knowledge of Sith history after Kreia's fall than you do. And the same goes for me before you try and hit back.  Jasca Ducato Sith Council 11:06, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

ok first of all, i wasnt talking about redemtion, i was was talking about jawajedi, who hasnt even read paths of destruction. secondly, i do know quite a bit about the sith order and the fall of kreia, (personally i dont know if i know more than you but it is a possibility). thirdly, just because i dont see the point in getting a login, dosnt mean i m not an expert(i dont mean to brag, it just makes me a nerd anyway) and my most knowlageable subject in star wars is the mandalorian wars-the rise of darth bane.

Oh because I didn't read a book my opion means nothing? You sound real desperate to make this work. If you were to have high inflence with T3 you have to gain lots of light side for him to consider you a "heroine", which while it is possible on the dark side you'd be goin against your charachters personality, makine her not a great character. Also, I brought up T3 as a counter example. The book is written in 3rd person not from HK, or T3 or anybody's point of veiw but the author. I did a little bit of research on path of destruction, while the sith are strong, there is 1 no mention of the jedi exile while there is mention of Revan and Malek. 2 What I was sayin before, the sith will always return because the represent lust for power thats in all of us. The sith will always return. The jedi need someone to be there to teach them to do the right thing, its easier to help yourself then others. Like I said before a knowledgeble jedi could've fallen. But it does sound like great fanon. Jawajedi 15:10, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

i didnt mean the above offensivly, all i wanted was for you to do some reaserch, which you did, so now you know exactly what im talking about. also remember this: manipulation is a siths best tool. in other words, t3 likes to be treated nicley, so the exile does just that. in doing so, she gains an ally. but the exile will hate mical for how pure he is, causing him to see her as she truley is. the exile will be upfront with kreia,as she is her master, and will hate the Goto droid, order bao-dur, break hannaharr, be fond of Hk(for his sadistic killing urge) and love atton, which will also play against mical's infuence. that is how ive planned it since i changed the exile to a female.she'll be evil, but smart and persuasive(that was always my favorite skill). by the way, try(if you can) to read paths of destruction, its a great book.
 * I just put the talk header at the top for a reason. Talk pages are for the article itself. Not what you "plan to do", or your opinions. Also, the note to sign your posts with the four tildes. - Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 16:45, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well like Rdemtion said lets end this topic, and I'll try to read the book. And no offence taken, it was nice the little mini debate.71.188.53.34 17:04, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

i agree. personally, ithink i probably would have gotten along quite well ith many of the people idebated with(if we hadnt been on different sides). still this was kinda cool. mabey wookieepedia should open a debate page for each article, if only to explore everyones veiws( in an appopriet fasion, so only people who whant to debate can. wellits all over and was fun while it lasted, but dont think i wont still try to write the book. itll give me somthing to do anyway.

i m still wprking on it, ive got the first daft done, i just need to edit it, check my sources,and get permission to publish.

Message
What's the point of the message telling us that she's female and to "get over it"? Should I assume a fair amount of people got themselves banned for constantly claiming she was male and trying to edit the article to that effect? Destroyer Droid 20:20, 5 May 2007 (UTC) Im a guy... I don't mind female heroes... some other people really should ge tthe hint. Still... best not to get involved in the "OMG ITS LIEK THE MALE/FEMALE" arguments. Destroyer Droid 23:41, 5 May 2007 (UTC) Keep all mentions of the exile's gender female, and let the idiots whine on forums. Destroyer Droid 01:11, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You got it. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 22:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly. No let us never speak of it again. -- SFH 23:42, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Amusingly enough, I don't recall ever seeing anyone complaining on forums. Only here. -MPK 12:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Probably because of the fact that editing it here will make it actually seem somewhat "official". Exile Catherine 19:40, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * People are still crying about that? I thought they moved on to Force Unleashed. DAWUSS 17:00, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

REVAN VS. THE EXILE
I know that this might have already been said, but I think that somwhere in the KOTOR 3 that might be coming out soon Revan will face the Jedi Exile. Do you think that it would happen or not? Thank you darthdude!!!!
 * KOTOR III is somewhere between rumour and wishful thinking at this point, so we can only make wild guesses. I'm afraid your question is unanswerable. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 01:07, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Right. Also, I kind of doubt they would want to give canonical voices to either of them. -LtNOWIS 01:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That's kind of a shame, since it would make involving either of them in the story much harder. -MPK 14:47, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

But, as it's been said before, there may not be a third game. :/ I would personally love to see the Exile and Revan team up. Exile Catherine 19:35, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I personally think that, is say there WERE a KotOR III, it would be very cool if you were able to play both characters at different points in the game.
 * It will probably be one of those games that will come out ten years from now.

Get over the Exile's 'Female' status already!!! Please!!! You're driving us all nuts!!!
What is it with all these fans complaining that the Exile is canonically a female? When I read that the Exile's gender was made female, I didn't gripe, Quite frankly, the Star Wars universe and the video game industry need more heroines or female villains.--Jedi Kasra 09:57, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * See WP:F for all the possible reasons that idiots some fans complain. --School of Thrawn 101 10:09, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Personally, I don't know what all the fuss is about. ..


 * Well, if you're male, you make a male character usually. If more gamers are male than female, then more people will have made their characters male, more people will have got involved with the storyline as a male. That's why I got annoyed, but I didn't post it anywhere. I know that there need to be more female heroes, but please, don't decide the gender of an open ended, player decided, video game character, it's just going to make people angry. [tikalal]58.107.210.176 06:53, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * This is just my personal opinion, but one reason for the uproar is that instead of a decent character like Handmaiden (Brianna), with the Exile being canonically female we're stuck with the subpar character of Mical. Not only is he the Jar Jar Binks of the KotOR epoch, but the story with Brianna in it as a party member just makes more sense. If we could have it both ways - with the Exile as female an with both Mical and Brianna as party members - then the outcry would be significantly less. All IMHO, of course.--Goodwood 03:06, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah. I also think, for that reason, that darkside female Revan would have been better than lightside male. Kuralyov 03:15, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * In this case "personal opinion" relates to what caused the row about Exile's gender, and not about the experience of the game per se. I'd like to think it was a mistake on the author of the NEGTD's part.--Goodwood 03:25, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree Goodwood It has never sat right with me that it was made official in the NEGTD I mean if your going to reveal something like the Gender of the Main Charictor of a Popular game wate till the next NEGTC-- Jedi Master KaelKatana01 or Katana 08:39, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You do realise that they are written by the same guy, right? QuentinGeorge 08:54, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The reason people are "angry" is the fact the Star Wars is basically ran by fans of the male gender. And when they put the Exile as a female it was "lke OMG wat hav thy dne?" My own opinion I would have liked to see the Exile as a male because when I played the game as a female it just seemed awkward a bit, I didn't like Mical (even as a Jedi) and it seemed to flow better as a male. Jin Won
 * Sub-par? Mical didn't seem that sub-par to me.  He possessed a depth that Brianna seemed to lack.  Brianna had no past, while Mical has a long history with the Jedi Order, and, although you can shuffle straight through the dialogue needed to take him as an apprentice in about 10 minutes, and ignore it all, if you actually slow down for a second and pay attention to each one, you get a somewhat-compelling story.  It is true that Brianna had a slightly darker personality, but the game was full of them, and a lighter fellow is a welcome break in the tension. Kriim Ianga 07:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Knighted
I've edited the article to reflect the fact that the Jedi Exile was already a Jedi Knight when she left for the Mandalorian Wars, as confirmed by Mical in conversation (provided you gain 100% influence, which is relatively easy by the way).--Goodwood 09:14, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you please provide a quote for that? Hopefully, you are not referring to his statement about how the Exile was to be his master because that isn't really relevant.--76.104.136.71 07:27, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * By the way, don't think that I am doubting you just for the fun of it. This subject has been discussed to death (see Talk:Jedi_Exile/Archive4) and no one has ever found any evidence that the Exile was knighted before she went to the Mandalorian Wars. That is why I am hesitant to take you at your word without some sort of concrete proof. =) --76.104.136.71 10:14, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

exile revans apprentice?
there are lots of clues that can bring up the possibility of revan apprentice maybe the exile or at least on some level close to revan

1 carth at one point ask if the exile has heard from revan 2 the ebon hawk was revan ship and it ended up with her( fact is only possible ) 3 exile i think goes to fight with revan in unknown space
 * If the Exile was a Knight by the Mandalorian Wars, then, by definition, she was not anybody's apprentice. As for #3, it's your own opinion, not a fact. - Sikon 10:28, 26 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I would extremely doubt that exile was revans apprentice, since there is no evidence of them being close, which conscindering her abiliteis with force bounds it would seem impossible for her not to be close with her master.  As for the ship the exile was the only jedi T3 could findJawajedi 16:52, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

The Exile's Jedi class before and during the Mandalorian Wars
Does anyone else think it's worth mentioning that the Exile might not have been a Jedi Guardian before and during the Mandalorian Wars? In a conversation with the Jedi Master Kavar, he states that he tried to persuade her to become a Jedi Guardian and that they could have used someone like her. I think it's worth mentioning. Any comments on this?--Jedi Kasra 21:42, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure he only says that if your not a jedi guardian...So noJawajedi 23:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Speculation. Also, the term "Jedi class" is gameplay mechanics, not canon. - Sikon 05:53, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * All the classes are canon. Go ahead and check the pages Jawajedi 21:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Missing some powers
I'm missing some thing in the powers and abilities section of this article.

Firstly:

1. Force Bonds. The other crewmembers mirror the exile in combat. Try having Atton or Brianna in your party and go kill Lootra on Nar Shaddaa. Or ask Mira why she does't kill people

2. Force Vampire?

Is the exile just like Nihulus? This is mentioned on Dantooine if you meet the three Jedi Masters.

After the three masters tell her that she is a wound in the Force, after the lines: ''You are broken, you are deafened. You were blinded''

And after the lines where Vrook mentions that these are the teachins of the new Sith, leeching the lives of others as he puts it.

But I can still feel the Force again, strongly or I am stronger, stronger then I ever was.Jedi Exile

So you think, but it's not the strength of a Jedi you feel.Vrook

''He's right. It's all the deah you've caused to get here. You feed on it and you become stronger. It's like Malacahor. It's in you, it's what you are now. You must have noticed, traveling among these planets, killing hundreds, you gradungly became stronger. Why do you think that was?''Zez Kai-ell

Sith Lord
Is it possible that the Exile is the Unknon Darth?-KickAssJedi 18:41, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No.  Jasca Ducato Sith Council 18:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Without a second appearance by the Jedi Exile, it's impossible to tell. Anything is possible. Keep that in mind. But we can't put this meaningless and petty speculation in the article. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 18:59, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Im not suggesting we add it to the article, maybe the behind the scenes. The reason I brought it up is because the Unknown Darth succeded Darth Traya and the exile is the one who kills her, its also possible for her to claim the title of dark lord then and there on malachor, and as far as im aware the ending has yet to be canonized.-KickAssJedi 19:09, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Main Image
Does anyone object to changing this to the main image.
 * The current picture intentionally obstructs her face because she does not yet have canonically defined features. -- Ozzel 20:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I beleive this one is the female conterpart to the male promotional exile.172.141.188.61 20:28, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Doesn't matter. Face remains obstructed. Don't try to open old wounds again. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 22:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I recommended the space suit image. A more natural pose and no lightsaber (wiping out that argument), but that got shot down quickly... The main image we have now isn't really that great an image TBH... But do we really need an image there? I know, I'm stepping on sacred boundaries again, but hey, I can do that. DAWUSS 17:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Personally, I want to offer my support and appreciation to whoever chose the current image, as I have always preferred action poses to "smile, look into the camera, put your chin up a little, 3...2...1...CHEESE!", like the picture currently being suggested. It simply artful how perfectly the Exile's face is obscured in the image, making it LOOK as though you could try to examine and figure out which face it is, even though you CAN'T. Kriim Ianga 07:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Wound in the Force?
I have a couple questions. After the Exile killed Darth Traya, is she still considered a wound in the Force? And how could she have made it on the Ebon Hawk? While were on that, did Mira make it on the Ebon Hawk? And another thing, after Malachor V was destroyed, did the wound stop?--Jedi Kasra 15:32, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Go to the Knowledge Bank for this type of thing please. Despite past misuses, talk pages are not for Q&A about the character, but rather for the article. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 15:49, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Exile's Master?
Well I was playing the sith lords and I relized Kavar always refers to the exile as his student. Shouldn't we atleast put possiblly kavar under masters? Jawajedi 14:41, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * All the Jedi Masters were teachers to her. Kavar specifically states that he was far too busy with Council matters to take the Exile as his apprentice. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 15:26, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh he does? I haven't played in awhile and he kept on refering you as his student.Kinda makes sense if kavar was the exile's master. Jawajedi 19:59, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

submit to the council's wishes?
When I played the game I did not have to give in to the council, but I was still good. Why would you give in anyway?

Jedi Masters.
How can the jedi master strip you of the force. And even if they did, wouldn't it returned like last time?
 * Its an force technique thats punishmet reserved for a few, its probably an acient technique. But its doubtful that it would return because you cut your self of from the force, you were deafen by the all the the deaths at malachor 5.  You could recover but the jedi council would be doing it umpurpose,  from which you couldn't recover. (in theory) sorry if I just got you more confuse.... Jawajedi 23:54, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

The game reveals the Exiles gender this site is incorrect.
This is the very opening words of Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic2 spoken by Darth Sion

We have all but destroyed the Jedi Knights. The Old Republic is crippled; they can do nothing to stop us now.

But there is one thing standing in our way, one last Jedi. Who has yet to choose his true role in the galaxy?

If he joins us on the path to darkness, those who fight along side him will follow. But if he takes the path of the Jedi, those who join him will feel the vengeance of the Dark side.

The game in itself establishes the fact that the Exile is a man. If you disagree you need to replay the game. Listen to the opening sequence, where you are clearly told the gender of the Exile. There are five reference points as to the Exile's gender. I believe that the game itself is a more accurate representation than several quotes from another source. (The New Essential Guide to Droids)
 * Your license to use oxygen is hereby revoked until you take an IQ test. Stop breathing at once. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 18:45, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Do NOT post personal attacks. Darth Kellickq 05:40, 28 December 2007 (UTC)


 * That quote isn't in the game, it's in the trailer, which showcases something which only superficially resembles the finished game. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 18:45, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I need a name says it well. And if you haven't noticed, it's been endlessly discussed on this page, and the canonicity of the NEGTD's statement about Exile's gender was confirmed by Leland Chee. If your purpose for being on this site is complaining about the Exile's gender, you might want to find a forum site, and not an encyclopedia as we don't exist to discuss canon. We exist to report it in the best way possible. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:47, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * First, it's not the opening sequence - it's the E3 trailer, which is non-canon and which was made using material that was never meant to be in the game to begin with. And second, the NEGD is canon. So shut up about the Exile's gender, please. The Exile being female is canon and it isn't going to change. - Sikon 03:16, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, kind of off the subject, but does anyone else think that that voice sounds different from Sion? I have no doubt it's meant to be him speaking, but he has an American accent in the trailer.
 * There ARE a curious number of moments in the game in which the Exile is referred to as male regardless of what gender you are playing as, but they must be taken in context, as a few of them are similar to the situation in Attack of the Clones where Obi-Wan and Anakin at first assume that Zam Wesell is a man, only to later find that Zam is, in fact, a woman. The few that are not accounted for in this manner can likely be attributed to the fact that the game was a tad incomplete when it came out, and remains so.  Team Gizka, the group working on the KOTOR II Restoration Project, may be working on those instances, but that is mere speculation on my part. -

The Exile's lightsaber color
Alright, what is the Exile's CANON lightsaber color? Is it cyan? How do we know that the developers just didn't forget to add cyan and bronze to the colors that you could pick? I alreday know that if she declines to commment on her saber color that it set, by default, cyan, but does that really mean anything? The only color that Revan has canonically is red and he used that as a Sith Lord. Got any answers, guys?--Jedi Kasra 06:17, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Is the "Personality and Traits" bit really necessary ?
I mean, obviously there are some canonical traits the Exile has, but isn't mainly up to the player to decide of her (or his, for those who, like me, played a non-canonical male) personality, Light, Dark or Grey ? For instance, I don't think the fact that she is LS meant that she necessarily regretted all of her actions during the Mandalorian Wars, and I don't remember anyone in the game remembering her as a kind and generous individual early in her life. -

Jedi Exile
if the Jedi Exile is female then why does the trailer say he and his allies
 * Several reasons. One, the trailer was made long before the game was even finished (okay, the game wasn't finished even after release but that's beside the point), trailers aren't canon, and "he" is often used as a placeholder for when the sex is unknown. Though if the NEGD was never released, we'd, for the sake of simplicity, assume it was a he. Which is what we do for Jaden Korr technically. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 02:17, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

So are you saying that the Exile is a he. I know it was released a while ago, but I just got and beat it. And each time the trailer says he, but when I came here it said she
 * No, thats not what Redemption ment, anon. The trailer is non-canon. Kinda like the pictures of a female twi'lek Jaden Korr is non-canon. The New Essential Guide to Droids is, howerver, canon. Zakor1138 01:38, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No, i have never edited this wiki, and no, i am not looking for a ban, and no, i will not care if i am banned, but p 28 of Star Wars The Visual Guide Special Addition states nothing about the exile, but DOES show brianna in the little excerpt, and does not show Disciple. While i DO NOT think that the exile should therefore be considered by canon a male, grabbing three or four words from a book on droids seems to me just a bit....optomistic... i know that no one will probably listen, but i think that ot would be better to have a page Jedi Exile (Female) and a page Jedi Exile (Male)...if you want to be really nice on m birthday...dont ban me --Anon 68.62.26.48 14:35, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry if that was not clear, but it looks to me like the canon gender of the exile is "We dont know" or "Could be either", not the exile is definately female...and as i said, the book i have looks like they are implying a male exile by the inclusion of briana and the possibility of brianna killing Darth Nihilus...--Anon 68.62.26.48 15:02, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * When I asked Leland Chee (the guy who decides what's canon and what's not, more or less) on the StarWars.com message boards if Brianna could have still travelled with the female Jedi Exile, he stated that it was possible. Due to this, your visual evidence would merely suggest that the Handmaiden did indeed travel with the Exile. However, The New Essential Guide to Droids repeats over and over that the Jedi Exile is female. If they had wanted to leave it up in the air, they would have had mixed references, some being male and some being female. So, if anything, this visual evidence would suggest that we should put more information into the In-Universe section of the Brianna page. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 15:57, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

For anyone is reading, the trailer is wrong
This is just a notice for people that want to bring up the trailer for claiming the the Exile is male. Don't always believe in the trailers. The content that is in them is not always canon. On one of my favorite T.V. shows, a character dies in the teaser, only to survive when the show is released. Should I mention the changes from the Pirates of the Caribbean 2 trailer from the movie? Zakor1138 18:09, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Forums
Can I have the websites for forums, because I can never find any good ones

because everyone keeps saying this is not a forum so don't argue about anything, unless it contains to the article
 * Why are you asking that here? Zakor1138 02:16, 17 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Were you talking to me? Zakor1138 01:38, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

Jedi Master
Didn't she rose to the rank of jedi master in the game, has been a time since I played it. If so woudn't we put it somwhere in the article, or at least put her in the jedi master category? Some of you might say that she didn't nessecary became a jedi master, but it is hard completing the game without getting lvl 15, which is the time you can choose a "master class", and you talking to kreia when you do that... right, and if I am right all dialogues are considered cannon. You get me wrong, I mean that she held the RANK of a jedi master, which class she had is irrelevant. Besides if you look at the Jedi Weapon Master article you can see that it stand "Jedi Weapon Master was the title given to a Jedi considered to be among the greatest fighters of the Order and holding the rank of Jedi Master." That means that the weapon master simply was a title for those masters who specialised on lightsaber combat, but they hold the rank of JEDI MASTER, and if you look it stans "Jedi Watchman was the title given to certain Jedi who, in the days of the Old Republic, were tasked to oversee a particular system or sector." Once again you can loud and clear read title and not rank. Jedi master was a rank, while weapon master and watchman was titles, it's a bit of differnce. So the exile held the Rank of jedi master, but it unknown which Title she had. As I have said before I think we somewhere should have that in the article.
 * It doesn't matter if it's difficult or not. It's possible. We cannot assume that was a Master. End of story. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 17:27, 12 January 2008 (UTC)
 * okey, let me rewrite that. It is impossible, since you get to lvl 15 at the first or second planet after peragus and you have to talk with kreia at some points later in the game, in which she will ask the question, you can dely it, but it the question will always come back again. And even if it was impossible, by ignore all kreias conversations or some other way, all the dialogues with the choice of the light side is considered cannon, as long as they don't cross over another cannon source, right?!
 * For 100% completion, yes. The PC chooses a prestige class. But we can't assume it's Jedi Master. It can be Weapons Master, Watchman. And even if she did choose Jedi Master, it's all in abilities. She'd need to be approved by other Jedi to be an official Jedi Master. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 04:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

She DOES NOT hold the rank of Jedi Master, it is never bestowed upon her in the game. True eventually you will have to choose a prestige class, but as Redemption has already said that could be a Master, a Weapon Master or a Watchman. Even if you do choose for her to be a master, it is a in game class and not an actual rank. Case closed I think. - Lord KAJ  – Company Office 10:08, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Did you even read my whole post? Wookiepeedia itself claims that it is a title and not a rank. Jedi master is a rank, weapon master and watchman is a title. to choose eighter watchman, weapon master and jedi master was simply so the player could get some more freedom. IT IS UNKNOWN WHATE TITLE SHE HAD, BUT SHE OBVIOUSLY HELD THE RANK OF JEDI MASTER!
 * Not once is it stated that the Exile held the rank of Jedi Master. Not once. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 20:36, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Have somebody here even read my posts? I come with arguments and you come with a "Not once is it stated that the Exile held the rank of Jedi Master. Not once", you could at least come up with some arguments of your own. And for your statement, as I have said before all the dialogues are considered cannon and you get to choose a "master class", but that's simply classes and titles, not ranks, and if you want to be a weapon master you have to hold the rank of jedi master.
 * Cannon go boom. Canon does not say she was a Jedi Master. This is an encyclopedia, not a debating society. Take it to the Jedi Council Forums if you want a debate.-- Goodwood [[Image:Redstarbird.svg|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 21:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I'm not debating, I simlply say that I think she held the rank of jedi master ( which class she had, is on the other hand not cannon ), and I put up arguments for why I think so. Can you guys tell me what's wrong with my arguments.by the way, what do yo mean by "Cannon go boom"?

What's wrong with your arguments is that they are on a wookiepedia talk page when you have repeatedly been told to take them elsewhere. If the Exile was a master she would be called one in the game, the fact that she isn't is evedince that she wasn't. Now I will say it again for the sake of manners, there are loads of really good forums that you can go to if you want to discuss this sort of thing but wookiepedia is not, never has been, and never will be one of them. Here I will provide you with some links so you can go and enlighten the rest of the star wars community with your point if view. (ps: if they reject you as well, please dont come back here). - Lord KAJ  – Company Office 09:22, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * - The Force.Net.
 * - The official Star Wars forum.
 * - Star Wars forum.Net
 * - Just for good mesure.

I'm not interestd in disscusing with some single-minded people so I'm just going to let it be, but just one thing, what's the wrong with me theory ( purely hypoteticly ). I have given you statements, asked questions and etc, and what's wrong with my theory?
 * You want to know what's wrong with your theory? Fine, I'll indulge you. Everything is wrong with it, including your choice of where to spread it. Now please, either do something constructive or go away.-- Goodwood [[Image:Redstarbird.svg|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 14:13, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Well said. - Lord KAJ  – Company Office 15:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

And whoever you are, please, learn how to spell correctly.--Jedi Kasra 15:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Are you really sure that you're 28? You says something is wrong, but can't prove or even get some arguments for it, and then tell the one that do to get lost. Come on, I usually don't left things without some good arguments. Or do you give up so easily or tell the others to go away?

By the way, excuse me for my spelling, but I'm 13 and english isn't my mother tongue.
 * I would suggest you all drop it at this point. And, while we're on the topic of spelling, it's Wookie E pedia. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 16:03, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I usually don't drop things just for some people tell me to.
 * There is no source that says she's a Jedi Master... So, everything you say is speculation. And speculation is not allowed on Wookieepedia. so, let's drop this and get back to editing pages that really need our attention. --Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 17:08, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Very well

Exile's master
Kavar was his master.

Exile's master (correction)
Her master was kavar
 * Don't you know how to just edit that previous section and change the "his" to "her" instead of having to create another section with the correction. Also, please sign your posts with four tildes (~). If you don't want your name to show up, then sign it with 5 tildes (~) instead. Cyfiero II 07:02, 16 February 2008 (UTC)


 * i'm pretty sure the Exile's Master wasn't Kavar; the in-game dialog with him states - as far as i recall - that he wanted to take her as his padawan, but didn't have the time. i might be reading into it, but the holo recording shown by the droid at Khoonda spaceport could suggest the possibility that Vandar may also have provided her some instruction. but, Vrook may have simply chosen Vandar to complain to due to his status as Grand Master. Chillax 20:11, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Rank before the Wars
I think the initial telling of the Exile needs to be changed saying she was a Padawan who went off to war, attaining Knighthood while at war. She had to of reached Knighthood before she went to war, seeing as Mical was initially lined up to be her apprentice (or student at least), and how it was mentioned more than once (or at least, alluded to it) that she trained students, that is not something typically done by Padawans, it is far more common for Jedi who have attained Knighthood already. Despite, the interaction of Vrook and Vandar with Vrook complaining to Vandar about her when she was a Padawan, that likely did not transpire shortly before she went to war, but more than likely when she was still fairly young. Also, what points to her having reached Knighthood before having gone to war actually is something Bastilla mentioned in the first KotOR to Carth giving her reasoning why she did not go to war was 1) she was only a Padawan and 2) her Battle Meditation had not fully developed and 3) she still believed in the Council, no attempt mentioned of either of them trying to sway her decision, faithful to the Council, maybe, but young and impressionable and "strong in the Force" as Padawan even then, quite likely, yet no mention of attempted recruitment, then. The above mentioned as well as all that was mentioned in KotOR2 leads me to believe that Revan and Malak were specifically targeting Jedi Knights and Masters only, before going to war (also there being no mention of Revan or Malak ever trying to recruit Padawans during the Mandalorian Wars (and why would they during that particular war?), only upon the Jedi Civil War did the Padawans conversion begin, or so it seems). So, it just seems more likely she had received Knighthood before, probably not long before, she went to war. Sumerland124 07:51, 23 March 2008 (UTC)- edited because I seriously confused a few things in my head (had been a long while since I last played the KotOR series)Sumerland124 08:29, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Firstly new comments go at the bottom of the page, not the top. Secondly you appear to have difficulty telling real life from a computer game. Youre looking way to deeply into this, it's stated many times in the game that the exile was a padawan when she left for war. Also Malak and Revan did try to recruit bastila as seen in the second game, Malak also tried to recruit Zayne when he was just a padawan. In short your entire argument is completelty flawed. - NerfryTalk 09:46, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

"Firstly" I don't think a personal attack was necessary, I don't see how I am having trouble discerning real life from a computer game, I just tried to rationalize something that came to mind, although it is fairly obvious that was an attempt on your part to debase me for no real reason and try to further belittle my opinion, a bit snide and low class of you in every respect. Perhaps you should cool it a bit, hm? And as I mentioned in my post above, it had been some time since I last played the game, however, I don't recall it stating anywhere that Malak and Revan tried to recruit Bastilla in the second game, merely a scene in Ludo Kresh's tome where she appears there in the Exile's "vision", the Exile pointing out (or at least it being an option) that Bastilla sided with the Council back then, and Malak basically replies saying she came to see things their way in time, but never a part where it actually states that they attempted to recruit Bastilla. But, naturally, I could be mistaken there. And I don't recall the game ever stating "many times" she went to war as a Padawan, the only thing to me that ever alluded she was a Padawan when she went to war is she was wearing the "Padawan robes" during the trial in the game, but then again maybe it did mention it in the game I just missed it. However, with Zayne, no, I can't say that Malak tried recruiting him into the Mandalorian Wars, and even when looking it up it's not even mentioned here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zayne But then again, of course, I could be wrong, I'm always open to that possibility.Sumerland124 12:47, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Calm down guys. Nerfry, ad hominem attacks are entirely unneccessary and counterproductive; and if you care so little about the mythos one wonders why you bothered to reply at all.
 * In any case, I disagree with the argument. My interpretation is that the Jedi Exile was a Padawan close to promotion at the outbreak of the Mandalorian Wars, and that Mical's hope of being trained by her was at the time just wishful thinking. I don't think it is to any degree unusual for a Padawan to teach younglings the basics of the Force; as I guess it's akin to a high school student teaching preschoolers how to write their name. The Jedi Exile could be compared to an Episode I Obi-Wan Kenobi: more than old enough for the rank of Jedi Knight and wise enough to take a Padawan upon her promotion, but interrupted by major galactic events.
 * Furthermore, the Exile was more mature and outgoing than Bastila; and as one of Revan's most vocal supporters would certainly not have been passed over by Revan and Malak. The Revanchists recruited any and all Jedi who would listen, including Padawans (e.g.Zez-Kai Ell's Padawan); though obviously these younger Jedi were more likely to decline (as both Bastila and Zayne did) as many likely felt that they were neither experienced enough nor independent enough to join the war effort. --Kessel 17:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)