Talk:Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

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Are characters and locations from the deleted content canon? For example, can we assume that M4-78 the droid planet, the HK droid factory on Telos, and Lonna Vash's Padawan Kaah Ohtok actually existed? - Sikon 11:24, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I don't think so... If it wasn't officially released, it can't be canon. --200.165.193.133 03:31, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Quit deleting Dezanti Zhug, he is not fanon! Go to Dxun, he is the leader of the 3 Duros whose ship is shot down by Tobin, and he attacks you!JustinGann 21:34, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * He's not fanon, but I see no reason to separate him from the other Zhugs. - Sikon [ Talk ] 03:16, 26 Dec 2005 (UTC)

I agree... I would delete anything that has not been officially published in books, games, etc... Even thought there is cut content, they should not be treated as cannon. There concept at the end can change. There may be other reasons why the cut content was removed. You never know, their whole concept could change drasticaly before they are published; therefore they should not be cannon... 

M4-78 is considered canon because it was mentioned in Medstar: Intermezzo. However, the events on M4-78 that were cut from the game cannot be considered canon. Ace Venom 22:26, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

^^^^ I also believe that if M4-78 is not mentioned in the Star War's EU databank, they should not be considered canon. The Star Wars EU databank is monitored by Lucas, and he only recognizes very few stories as cannon. Therefore, any cut content is not cannon until Lucas recognizes them in his EU Databank... Until you read otherwise, I would not post anything that is not from the EU Databank...


 * The last I checked, the EU databank didn't have everything. Are you saying characters such as Zekk shouldn't be considered canon just because they aren't in the EU databank?  Sorry, but that's a poor argument.  I pretty much pointed out where M4-78 was referenced in canon. Ace Venom 22:40, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

At the moment, Zekk doesn't have any stories. He is only a supporting character. Plus Zekk was in the movies, so he is considered a Star Wars species. He doesn't need to be recognized by EU only by the main Star Wars Database.. M4-78 is EU, but it has not been recognized by the EU Database... 
 * There are a great many supporting characters in the Databank. And besides, Zekk is a major character in the Dark Nest Trilogy. Face facts, the Databank is woefully incomplete, but the info it does have on there is canon. That doesn't mean any info not yet on there is not canon. Before they added General Grievous, was he not canon, just because he hadn't been added at that point? No. - Kwenn 22:52, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

I dissagree.... Until Lucas makes it official, by posting it up at the EU Databank, I would not consider it cannon. 
 * But that's a minor quibble only. Until we are actually told M4-78 is canon, it's best to assume it is. Ace Venom 22:56, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * In case you hadn't noticed, the Databank is not maintained by Lucas himself. He's not that devoted to his Saga - Kwenn 22:57, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

It is not edited by Lucas, but he has the final say about what goes up on the Databank. Mara Jade was not recognized for many years. Lucas decided to make Mara EU Cannon, for her popularity and stories grew. M4-78 has not been recognized. Second, assumptions are from nieve thinking. Assumptions will only get you into trouble, Facts are facts... Until Lucas places them in the EU Databank, or make some statement about them, I would not consider them canon. Even though there are books on extensive EU characters, I would not consider them canon until Lucas makes them cannon. He is very biased and protective about his Star Wars universe... Don't make assumptions... 
 * It's you who are making assumptions. Lucas does not regulate the Databank - it's added by the site webmasters, with content vetoed by Lucas Licensing - not the man himself. Trust me on this one; Lucas does not get that involved in the Saga. And have you noticed there are NO KotOR II entries on the Databank? Does that mean the entire game is non-canon? Or how about Rogue Squadron? And none of the film battles are on there either. Is the Battle of Yavin not canon now? - Kwenn 23:06, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Lucas does regulate the EU Databank. KotOR II has not been recognized, for there have been inside issues and politics about the series. There has been no official word as to the state of the KotOR Series. It is a well known factor that Lucas regulates what makes up Star Wars... Very well known... M4-78 is not in KotOR II. It was cut and remains on the cutting room floor. It is nothing! 
 * Lucas is a movie writer and director. He is NOT a webmaster, and he does not have to veto every element of the Saga. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about. And yes, KotOR II has been recognised, because for one thing, it's in the New Essential Chronology. You're deluded - Kwenn 23:13, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

I can see that this debat is going no where... I would be very careful to tread on this issue. M4-78 is not cannon... Period... Please Note: I have read several EU books, and I don't consider them as cannon. Until they are recognized, they are just simple Star Wars stories that hold no weight to Lucas's vision of Star Wars... Therefore, they are not cannon... Period..