Talk:Yoda/Legends

Yoda is not a Whill. This erroneous fact comes from Supershadow--Eion 21:58, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Are you sure? The 'Journal Of The Whills' was the original name of the rough draft for episode IV, and I have seen many other sources citing that name. But that's fanon, not canon, so I agree that it should be left unknown, as stated on starwars.com Lord Patrick Stink this mud does!-Yoda, Deleated scene of Episode 3.--wattamb2000 ITS NOT NONESENSE!: 152 EXT. KASHYYYK-LAKE ON VILLAGE EDGE-DUSK
 * It ain't canon till the fat man says so. Yes, the Whills are part of the history of the Star Wars script, but then so is Luke Starkiller, who in early production work bears a striking resemblance to the flannel man himself, but I don't think anyone will claim that Luke Skywalker is a Mary Sue. The Whills do not appear in any but the earliest drafts of ANH. The many other sources argument reminds me of an Elvis album I once saw, "20 million Elvis Fans can't be wrong"; yes they can. Popularity does not mean it is right. SS made it popular again, that's all.--Eion 05:32, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, the Whills do exist now as of the ROTS novel, but they arent Yoda's species. And Wattamb, please dont post nonsense. Durnar 12:40, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

CLONES in modified one-man AT-ST's and Swamp Speeders flash their searchlights across the gloomy lake. The light of one of the AT-ST's spots something floating in the water. It is what's left of a Wookiee catamaran. The body of a dead Wookiee (TARFFUL) is lying across the stern of the wreckage of the flying boat. There is some movement on the boat. The CLONE SERGEANT on the AT-ST fires a warning shot past the boat. AT-ST CLONE SERGEANT: Everyone out of there! A CRAZY LITTLE CREATURE about two feet high pops its head over the rail. The creature is covered with mud. His long hair is frizzed out in all directions. CREATURE: Wookiee good. . . eat Wookiee. (crazy little laugh) CLONE SERGEANT: Did you find something? CREATURE: It's nothing, nothing. (laughs) CLONE SERGEANT: It's nothing, nothing. All these Wookiees are dead. Move to the east. CLONE TROOPER: Yes, sir. Suddenly, CHEWBACCA climbs up behind the AT-ST CLONE, dripping wet, and throws the CLONE SERGEANT into the water. CHEWIE BARKS. CREATURE: Right you are, Chewbacca. Faster that will be. TARFFUL jumps up in the boat, and the CREATURE takes off his hair. It is Yoda. YODA: Stink, this mud does. A moment to bathe, give me. YODA, covered with mud, jumps into the water. TARFFUL climbs onto the AT-ST with CHEWBACCA. YODA is out of the water and putting his robes back on. YODA: (continuing) Not far, are we, from the emergency ship. Quickly. . . YODA whistles and a large ALIEN FLYING INSECT called CAN-CELL appears. YODA jumps on the insect's back and they take off. The WOOKIEES follow on the AT-ST. The CLONES continue to search the swamp.--wattamb2000 And the crackpipe (to Wattamb) Lord Patrick 06:23, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Calm down on the caps lock. -- Riffsyphon1024 00:12, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Exile
Is it worth including Luke's conjecture from Before the Storm on Yoda's decision to stay out of the Galactic Civil War? It is an interesting viewpoint, but considering Luke's understanding of Yoda and the fallen Jedi Order at the time (he assumed Yoda had been on Dagobah for over one hundred years). Thoughts? --SparqMan 21:29, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * It may be worth noting the speculation, if only to demonstrate how little Luke understands Galactic history, which shows just how thoroughly the Empire destroyed it.--Eion 16:18, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Text removal
I removed this text from the article:

"In ninth century BBY, Yoda was trained by Jedi Master Obius The Awesome."

According to Wikipedia [Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Jedi Master Obius], "Obius" is just made up nonsense. Also, there are no reliable sources to back this up.-LtNOWIS 19:46, 27 May 2005 (UTC) It's not from SuperShadow. Only Google hits pointed to the former article on Wikipedia Lord Patrick 00:38, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * And adding "The Awesome" is just ludicrous. -- Riffsyphon1024 14:29, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Obius = Supershadow. QuentinGeorge 23:13, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * You're linking. Does that mean I should redirect that to Superstupid? -- Riffsyphon1024 23:17, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Yoda vs. Sidious
Sidious wasn't too powerful for Yoda. "You have to be either Yoda or Mace to compete with Sidious" ~ George Lucas, the Making of Revenge of the Sith; page 204. Which means they were almost equal... There is even more:

YODA unleashes a ferocious assault on PALPATINE, causing him to almost go over the edge. The Dark Lord drops his lightsaber but recovers with a BLAST OF ENERGY from his hands that surrounds YODA. YODA is deflecting the Sith Lord's lightning bolts.

The energy bolts begin to arc back on the Emperor. It looks as if the Dark Lord is doomed.

YODA: Destroy you I will, just as Master Kenobi, your apprentice will destroy.

YODA jumps to a lower Senate Pod. PALPATINE reaches out with one hand, and a Senate pod is released from its mooring and heads toward the Podium. PALPATINE uses the Force to hurl pod after pod at YODA, who ducks and jumps from one flying pod to another.

YODA leaps away from the pods. He uses the Force to hold one pod suspended in the air. The pod spins and YODA throws it back at PALPATINE, who leaps away at the last moment.

YODA leaps after him, but PALPATINE quickly turns and aims the full force of his energy bolts at the tiny green Jedi, catching him in mid-air and throwing him back hard against the Podium. The force causes YODA to drop his lightsaber. YODA blocks the lightning and throws PALPATINE backwards off the podium. YODA is knocked off the Podium and falls several hundred feet to the base of the Podium. PALPATINE follows in his pod, searching for YODA.

~Star Wars Episode III Revenge of the Sith The Illustrated Screenplay (some scenes described above are deleted)

They were almost equaly matched during the duel but in the end, Yoda bested him in both lightsaber and Force combat, but he retreated and Sidious won (in a way). The novelisation says otherwise, but it is contradicted by two G-level sources... Fingolfin The Elf King


 * You bring up a good point. But the novelization points out that Yoda realizes that a lightsaber isn't going to kill Palpatine, thus Yoda retreated for the sake of the Jedi Order. -- SFH 10:11, 20 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Well, that may be true, from a certain point of view. Here are the exact lines:

"The new Sith could not be destroyed with a lightsaber; they could not be burned away by any torch of the Force. The brighter his light, the darker their shadow. How could one win a war against the dark, when war itself had become the dark's own weapon?

He knew, at that instant, that this insight held the hope of the galaxy. But if he fell here, that hope would die with him. Hmmm, Yoda thought. A problem this is..."

He had a vision, and this vision opened his eyes. What he might have seen is unclear but that doesn't change the fact that Palpatine wasn't too much for him (as the article states) - he was better than Palpatine, but that obviously wasn't enough. Fingolfin The Elf King

YODA IS THE MAN! LOOK AT HOW COOL HE IS! HES A PIMP WITH THAT LIGHTSABER IN THA CLONES GUT! SWEET CHEERY PIE!
 * What's the point, exactly? P.S.: No one can best Palpy!

Yoda could have killed Palps in a second if he wasnt nearing 900! Dude people that old slow down! and plus alot of people could have bested Palps, Mace Windu was about to kill him but then Anakin made that dumb choice to chop of his hand!

Yoda's Species

 * In my opinion, we should create a new article called Yoda's Species or perchaps Species of Yoda that would be about their physical features, strong at the force, and list all know of them, then discuss the contraversy over them being suspected Whillis or what not. When/if the species is named, the article's content can be moved to a correctly titled article and move all the content. Then the three members of his species in the character box could have "Species: Unkown (see article on this topic here}" Anyway, just my suggestion. CptKenobi 00:17, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Any. Thoughts. On. This? CptKenobi 21:28, 19 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * The fact that we only know about two of such species cannot make them basically strong in the Force. Yoda's species will probably never be named... by any canon source. - TopAce 21:31, 19 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually we know of three in total: Yoda, Yaddle, and Vandar Tokare. Personally, I call his species Dagobans. I mean, he just seemed to fit in to Dagobah's surroundings, but I'm not calling for them to be refered to as such. However, I believe the article should mention something about Yoda's species has never been identified. -- SFH 21:39, 19 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * There was one other one at Ruusan in JvS. Kuralyov 21:47, 19 Nov 2005 (UTC)

TPM pic
Can someone make a screen capture from the ROTS DVD of the new digital Yoda for TPM (from the The Chosen One featurette)? Since that is now the canonical version, I thought it best to change the article accordingly. Adamwankenobi 05:50, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Wait. They made TPM Yoda digital now? What rock have I been hiding under? -- Riffsyphon1024 05:52, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes. Rob Coleman confirmed at the ROTS DVD press event that they went ahead and replaced the puppet in TPM with a digital one exactly like the one in AOTC and ROTS. You can even hear him say it himself on one of the hyperspace audiocasts at the OS. And you can even get a glimpse of the new TPM Yoda on The Chosen One featurette on the ROTS DVD.Adamwankenobi 06:00, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Yea I need to watch that second disc, however my DVD is hooked up to a TV that just crapped out last week. I could watch it on the PS2, but I'd have to get Battlefront II out of there first (not an easy thing to do). -- Riffsyphon1024 06:16, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * True. Adamwankenobi 06:21, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)