User talk:Thefourdotelipsis

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Compromise Announcement
I have posted the compromise agreement on the Palpatine discussion page. Hopefully this will signal the end of the arguments and begin the healing process, and the Palpatine-article debate will finally settle down for good. You may wish to read the announcement, but only at your convenience. You have a puppy to play with, after all. I'm a cat man myself.

Now, if we're done, I need a drink, and as my wife has been asleep for hours, I need to join her and get some rest. Thank you for being willing to talk to me, and for letting me work with you rather than against you. Message me on my discussion page when you're ready to begin. Until then, "have a better one." ;) Erik Pflueger  06:30, 21 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Anyway, as I was trying to say on the IRC page, I had started removing, adding, and sourcing. I won't be able to do it all tonight - I'm taking medicine for my hand, which is better but still has pain, and the medicine knocks me out. I have, however, set aside a good chunk of Saturday to go through revising what you've decided to start with. Then, you should be able to give it a go-over.

My one concern is the stuff concerning C'baoth. It's all canon, and I can source it. Is it a question of rewriting it to focus more on Palps but give the same info? It is a good example of the effect he had on others in his orbit, and since C'baoth would continue showing up in the middle of Palpatine's schemes in other stories, is it so bad that a little time - a single paragraph - is devoted to his relationship with Palps? And for that matter, where's the harm in leaving it the size it is now? As long as it fits the Manual guidelines, show me the problem. Don't cut just for length.

Anyway, my meds compel me to go to sleep now, but I'll have this section all in hand by the time you return, and then the back-and-forth should begin. Don't be gone long, but do give some of your time to that puppy of yours. :) Best regards! Erik Pflueger  05:45, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've put some time into your temporary page now. You may wish to look at it and give it a work-through yourself, then let me know what else needs work. Erik Pflueger [[Image:Galactic_Republic.JPG|20px]] 01:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Per your request, I adjusted some of the Triclops material to be less "weasely." I will, however, continue to look through sources related to him to either prove or disprove his true parentage.

I really have to caution you, though, on something that will probably come up a lot regarding Palps: There is a great deal about him THAT WE SIMPLY CANNOT DEFINITIVELY STATE. Until the prequels, little had been officially established about his true character and motivations. What remained was what others said or alleged about him. That happens a lot with characters who are larger than life, and it HAS to be taken into account. I'm not saying it may specifically apply to Triclops, but it sure does elsewhere - with his interactions with Plagueis, for instance, which may not be definitively settled even when James Luceno's book about Plagueis is published... if it ever gets published. When being unequivocal is impossible, we may have no choice but to be equivocal; in other words, "weasely."

I also have to ask if the material regarding Triclops even belongs in that section of the article. I'm not asking to remove it altogether, but I wonder if it should be moved elsewhere. Maybe right after Sidious dealt with the Sith splinter cults, for instance. Or, better still, as a part of that subsection below the main article that specifically dealt with Palpatine's romantic or physical relationships. Give it some thought. Erik Pflueger  03:19, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I came up with a kind of alternative way to rephrase the same information this weekend. I thought I'd float it by you. The advantages, I thought, were in formatting and organization: strictly-factual information regarding each of Palpatine's "friendships" could thus be contained in that one section pertaining to each "friend," without the need for padding or fluff to expand them into paragraph length. There may very well be disadvantages, too: they don't make things shorter, and they may, as you pointed out before with C'baoth, become more about the "friend" than Palpatine. But there is a simple arc to each: how they met, what they did for him, and how they ended up being repaid for their friendship. If I have a defense for spending any time on these characters, it's that it provides context, in that it tells us more about Palpatine by describing how he dealt with others as a politician.

I didn't add sourcing simply because I didn't want to spend any more time on it until I had ascertained what you thought about it. It wasn't because I had forgotten or didn't care. It's really just something I thought I should suggest, but please feel free to accept or reject it as you please, or to offer a third possibility. I'll be fine with it regardless.

I would like to put in parenthetically that I'm having a nice time doing this, and I'm glad we're doing it this way. Whatever we expected before we started, I'm finding this to be a pleasurable and painless experience so far. I understand that our different approaches make us bound to lock horns at least once, and it certainly takes more time than your previous approach, but I am certain that, if we stick with it, it will be far more successful and lasting. I suppose it really comes down to the old question: "D'ya want it fast or ya want it right?" I'm glad we've both chosen to do this right, and enjoy ourselves while we do so. Erik Pflueger  05:04, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you prefer the new try, but I would like some clarification if you would. You said, "Despite making it longer, I actually prefer this version, as it will allow us to slim things later." Could you please elaborate on what you meant by slimming things later? I'm hoping it would not mean that, after making sure the maximum number of details are kept, they would eventually be removed anyway. In fact, I submit that, this way, more details can be added to sections like this and yet things would still be kept in order.

I also have to put in that I don't see this approach working across the board, at least not yet. I may still think of a way to make it work, though, but for the present the point of this new approach is to try to gather together material for sections like this, which are not bound together by an overarcing story such as those sections dealing with specific film, comic or book stories. If it helps, that's great, but I can't yet see it helping everywhere.

I'm not absolutely certain if we're done with this section for now, but I can't think of anything else in there that really needs help. I'll give it one more once-over tomorrow, and pending your go-ahead, I'll then insert it into the main article and we'll move onward.

I also need to ask in advance, if only to prepare: do you have intentions regarding the section dealing with the events of Phantom Menace? If I had a genuine baby here, it's that part, and I must point out in advance that other Inquisitors had no problem with it, as long as it was properly sourced and stripped of fluff and speculation. That's been done. So I must say that if I were to put up a fight on anything, it would probably be that. The rest I can stand changing, knowing that you'd keep all the relevant material. But with the Episode I section, is there really anything that needs radical surgery? Or does it just need a few simple tweaks? I hope it's the latter. Erik Pflueger  05:47, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll have to be satisfied with that for the present. I'm confident you'll find the Phantom section already meets your standards. As far as our current section, I'm quite sure we're just about done. Now, I'm heading off to read a bit before turning in for the night. Thanks for the progress we've made this weekend! Erik Pflueger [[Image:Galactic_Republic.JPG|20px]] 06:00, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I added the revised sections back into the article proper. I did some additional tweaking and rearranging that you have not seen, but I'm sure they'll pose no problems for you, with one possible exception: I moved the Triclops section to the section dealing with Palpatine's romances, mostly because I felt it was just out of place where it was. I did not delete anything in it and I put no weasel words back, just moved it is all. If you disagree, please feel free to discuss the matter. I'll be glad to brainstorm some other option.

I also came up with a provisional subsection to put all the material dealing with Cloak of Deception and other events leading up to The Phantom Menace. Eventually it will have to be expanded and beefed up with more information; it's just too generalized to suit my tastes. But for now it at least looks organized, and for me, that's enough for today.

So, phase one has come and gone, and it all went smoothly for me. I hope it went just as well for you. Now I guess it comes to the big plate: the Episode I section. I'm hoping we'll do just as well there. We'll soon see. Just let me know when you're ready to begin. Until then, good night and God Bless! Erik Pflueger  03:13, 28 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't worry about a thing, I only composed that stuff today. Besides, it's been a piss-poor week for me too: too much work to do and not enough time, a daughter-in-law with boyfriend trouble and a grandson with pneumonia. Who has time for Star Wars? Frankly, I needed the time off. As to the IRC, it's been working fine for me tonight, so I must assume it will keep working. I was just there looking for you, but found nothing of real interest to me. So I guess the question is, now that you saw my new stuff, what do you think so far? Erik Pflueger [[Image:Galactic_Republic.JPG|20px]] 02:37, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about the delay; I am about to go to Orlando for a couple days anyway. I've been working on Palpatine stuff in my own time. Just have a nice Easter weekend. And remember: slow and steady wins the race. Erik Pflueger [[Image:Galactic_Republic.JPG|20px]] 13:46, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

GAs and FAs

 * To be honest, I'm not sure which all GAs and FAs you've brought up. Anyway, if I missed one on the WookieeProject Page, feel free to add it and call me on it in IRC or something. Thanks a lot. Don't forget to take a look at Crix! Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 03:27, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * FYI, believe it or not, you are currently supporting Wormie for FA. In order to help discourage participation in this nom, I've struck my support and recommend you do the same. I also think that the meeting we should remove this nomination, but more on that later. Cheers. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 20:34, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Everything's done. Feel free to mess with it at your leisure. I recommend you get a voice filter or something to do some of the voices, or some different people. Same place. You know where to find me otherwise. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 00:42, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * FYI, I clocked it, and with adjustments for sound effects, rate of talking, etc., it should run between 16 and 20 minutes. It varies. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 01:47, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Plif source
Plif's also in Marvel Star Wars 77: Chanteuse of the Stars, just so you know, since it wasn't listed on his page. - Lord Hydronium 05:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Citing Resources
Could you please tell me what I should do to give you credit. I have created something called the Inquisition on the Gears of War Wiki, All the ideas are the same as the Inquisitoris, and I wanted to ask, what should I put on the page to give you guys credit for it. Thanks.

I will try to put a little bit of credit on there because I like Wookieepedia.

Exile downunder?
"Some people would call this the ass end of space"

- TROOPS

Hey... despite the fact that Exile was supposedly released last month, it's never turned up at any of my local bookshops. No surprise there, since these shops are shit, so today I headed out to Sydney CBD to find it. I hit Galaxy, Dymocks, Borders, Angus & Robertson and Kinokuniya... and none of them had it! Anyhoo, just wondering if you have come across it in your area, wherever exactly that might be. --Azizlight 07:46, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Mid April eh? That sucks :-( I've been avoiding the forums and haven't been spoiled as yet. Actually I did come across a spoiler a couple of weeks back, but amazingly I managed to block it out and now I can't remember it! Wish that always worked. Well, i guess it's fun to look for some filler in the meantime, but Champions of the Force? What were you thinking? :-P I've decided to buy all the Quinlan Vos comic arcs, since I didn't bother reading them before. Need to see if he deserves all that hype that surrounds him. --Azizlight 00:06, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

As per your demand....
Sorry, but I couldn't find a good shot of the scene in question.... Jwebb13 HoloNet 10:23, 25 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I didn't expect to see it on your page anytime soon, but I was looking at the userbox proposal comments in the middle of the night and, well, crazy is as crazy does, or something like that.... Oh, and I'm sorry you guys are catching so much hell over Palpatine.  If I kicked any of that off accidentally with my questions, I do apologize profusely.  Jwebb13 HoloNet[[Image:oldsith.jpg|40px]] 22:33, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, please tell me if you see anyone using that box; we need to have them removed from the gene pool immediately. ;) Jwebb13 HoloNet[[Image:oldsith.jpg|40px]] 22:38, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Holy crap! I just realized that each of your dots links to a different category of user page.  Very nice trick, my friend. ;)  Jwebb13 HoloNet[[Image:oldsith.jpg|40px]] 22:01, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 's ok. I'm friends with a lot of fiends, so no worries there.   Jwebb13 HoloNet[[Image:oldsith.jpg|40px]] 22:09, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Can I put that Userbox on my page? It's AWESOME! And that IS a neat trick. Jedipilot94 22:32, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Recognition

 * The brass at the Completely Unofficial Wookieepedia Admin Single-member Awards Committee has recognized your contributions. Hereby, you have been awarded the following awards for your service above and beyond the call of duty to the community.
 * Jensaarai Mentor Award
 * EU Vigo Award (with "oak leaf cluster")
 * Wookiee Leader Award (with "oak leaf cluster")


 * Sir, a grateful wiki salutes you.
 * Authorized by Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) on this day and time 05:37, 26 March 2007 (UTC).


 * And here's a cookiee for good measure.

Copyediting

 * Alright, 4dot, mainly because I couldn't sleep until I got this done, here you go: My completed L8-L9 article, sourced and ready for copyediting. Which I'm bringing to you, because you made me do it. 05:26, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

WC
For the first time today I was able to listen to your Wookiee-Casts, and so I listened to them all back to back. I must say, I was impressed. I enjoyed them very much. Ah... to get to the point, I don't have a mike and I'm not allowed to have one, so I am unable to do an Anderson Tape-thing. Should I send you a text version or something (not by e-mail&mdash;I'm not allowed to do that either) of it, or just not try for it? Thank you for your time. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  23:05, 29 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, and thank you! - Solus (Bird of Prey)  12:19, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

WOTM
Congrats on being the Wookieepedian of the month! - Solus (Bird of Prey)  00:36, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh yes, congrats! -- Ozzel 00:41, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Congrats Fourdot! After so many noms of other people, you get a turn too! Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 00:44, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Congrats, Well deserved our four dotted friend. Joker1138 ( Mandalore ) [[Image:MandalorianSymbol.jpg|25px]]
 * Indeed, congratulations. Green Tentacle (Talk) 15:54, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Gratzi Darth Sarge 23:58, 4 April 2007 (UTC)

Grilled
I just can't believe I'm going to be mentioned on the WC, it's just so cool. Even though it sounds weird, I want to thank you. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  11:53, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I hate to burst your bubbles,, but Fourdot was using the template, , which automatically generates the username of the user viewing the page, . I've just used it three times in this post. KEJ 12:01, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Now I feel totally stupid... - Solus (Bird of Prey)  12:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Aw...sorry. .  .  .  .  21:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Now that I think about it, that was funny. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  22:00, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Bimkall sector
Could you explain the rationale behind calling for a merge? &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 12:04, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * But it's not an alias for anything, and it's too small a part of the HoloNet News topic to be sensibly included in that article. A separate article is the only reasonable way to include that information. The only way I could think of to merge it would be if more information appeared on the erroneous story, and an article could be written on what led to that process (some sort of Stephen Glass scenario.) In the meantime, however, it is practically the textbook example of a short article which is perfectly acceptable here but cannot be expanded any further. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 12:18, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * What errors are there other than the two corrections noted in that issue? &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 12:26, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Wookie-Cast
I LOVE the Wookie-Cast! Is there any way I can help with it? I don't like sitting around and editing stuff. I appreciate you making the Wookie-Cast!!! Jedipilot94 22:31, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Request

 * Fourdot, would you remind removing the last part of the expression from your userpage? For any longtime Wookieepedians, it's not offensive, but a casual visitor to the site arriving on your page has a pretty good chance of being insulted, imho. Thanks.  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 19:00, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Resolved. .  .  .  .  21:02, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 21:42, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Powah!
Congratulations on acquiring the EXTREEEEEMELY LIMITED POWAH! of rollback rights! Use it well. Use it for good. jSarek 00:37, 8 April 2007 (UTC)

Art
You mentioned on the end of the WC that you needed an artist; just what would this involve? Joker1138 ( Mandalore )

Re:
Sorry it took so long for me to strike the objections, I wasn't in town.-- Shaelas (HoloConference) 22:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)