Talk:Dark Empire

Pub sum for Dark Empire II (for the other articles): "The Empire in retreat, Luke Skywalker is on a quest to rebuild the Jedi. But before he can revive that elite corps of protectors, he must first rebuild himself! He has spent time as the Emperor's thrall, and the taint of the dark side still tugs at his subconscious. Can he pull together the Jedi, can he pull himself together, before the New Republic loses the upper hand, or will the Empire take root once more?" --SparqMan 18:44, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Pub sum for Empire's End (for the other articles): "Emperor Palpatine has a new weapon -- one that can annihilate a planet. But he's not targeting a planet -- he's targeting the future of the Jedi, Leia's children. It looks like a hopeless situation for Luke Skywalker, who has the critical task of protecting the children. But it's not the first time Luke has found hope where none existed." --SparqMan 18:44, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Is Dark Empire really one of the EU pieces that Lucas likes? -- SFH 22:28, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)


 * He has praised it as being the closest to his idea of a sequel trilogy, IIRC. Demented Smiloid 22:33, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Good, good. Now my brother will have no choice but to accept it as canon. -- SFH 01:43, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I suppose, in the same way he'll have to accept Greedo shoots first as canon. --Duckflesh 16:50, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)

The following is profane and may contain spoilers, please read at your own risk.

I hate “Dark Empire”. I don't even like to consider it canon. When people mention things like Eclipse-Class Star Destroyers, I mention things like them shutting the fuck up.

Hmm, you want to know why?

Ok, to start, I am an avid reader of Star Wars novels. I read basically everything published between The Thrawn Trilogy and The Unifying Force, which is an assload of books.

Exception: The "Tales" books, just never got around to it and wasn't too interested Exception: Children of the Jedi was so bad I couldn’t finish it. For that reason, I didn't read Planet of Twilight. I also didn't read Crystal Star, fearing another woman author. However, note that the Han Solo Trilogy books, possibly the best of all SW novels, were written by a woman, so... eh.

Anyway!

I'm big on this stuff, ok? And books usually have to follow a pattern. A particular author can't get too caught up in himself. For the most parts, there would be an incident and it would be dealt with. Darksaber, Daala, the Yevetha thing, Thrawn, all were just big problems that the New Republic had to deal with.

A writer would have to have a lot of guts to have Coruscant fall out of Republic hands. It happened in NJO, but that was part of a huge series. Imagine if the events of NJO had all happened in a single trilogy or something, wouldn't that have been ridiculous?

So, isn't it ridiculous for an author (and I use the term loosely when referring to Tom Veitch, writer of “Dark Empire”) to claim that Coruscant has fallen from Republic Hands in his PROLOUGE? No, I'm not talking about this guy writing all of “Dark Empire” around Coruscant falling. Coruscant falling was simply included in his one page, 500 word prologue. The writer's retarded story required Coruscant to be Imperial, so he went ahead and decided that instead of actually doing anything to give his comics any merit, he'd just cover the huge military campaign in a few sentences.

Ok, so this guy's a huge asshole with no respect for Star Wars and a pretty big sense of himself. But fine. Corsucant fell. At least he probably won't do anything else crazy.

Oh, except have the Emperor be cloned. And have Luke Skywalker turn to the Dark Side. And have numerous unprecedented large ships be built in little time out of nothing, because goddammit, Executer-class ships just weren't good enough. Oh, and also the World Devastators. And since one super weapon isn't enough (well, it was for “A New Hope”, but sure as fuck not for this guy), also the Galaxy Gun. And did I mention those droids powered off of human brains or whatever the fuck?

My point is, for any ONE of the above things to have happened in a Star Wars book would have been pretty monumental, and this asshole did all of it in, I shit you not, 14 comic books. So why did he have to keep coming up with new ridiculously tremendous plot elements to keep his FOURTEEN COMICS alive? Clearly, he's not much of a writer. Someone with any talent could have written that entire series about the World Devastators or whatever. This guy is one of those people who doesn’t know what foreplay is. I feel really bad for his wife. Though, actually, I guess not even nerdy girls would want him anyway, after writing such a pile of shit.

Frankly, I'd like to think NO author with any respect for anything would have Luke turn to the Dark side. Oh, sure, the original Emperor and Luke's very father couldn't get him to turn when he was a weak learner, but now that he's a Jedi Master, I'm sure a clone of the Emperor could turn him in... hmm, how many comics did it take? Two, maybe, maximum.

“Dark Empire” makes me sick. It's about as canon to me as Splinter of a Mind's Eye, the book that takes place after Episode IV where Darth Vader dies and Luke and Leia fall in passionate love.

--Duckflesh 16:50, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * "...fearing another woman author." Wow, have some issues? Anyways, I don't see why you posted this here. This is an encyclopedia, not TFN. Kuralyov 17:27, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)


 * Also, it doesn't matter. LucasFilm has stated that you cannot pick and chose on matters of canon (something Curtis Saxton doesn't seem to grasp...). You would also have to throw out everything that happened because of it. -- SFH 17:41, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)