Talk:Timeline of Legends media

Missing videogames
I don't see any Clone Wars era games mentioned. (The Clone Wars, Republic Commando, The New Droid Army, etc.) I'd put them in myself, but I don't know where exactly they go. 24.3.190.91 19:39, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Nor do I see any of the X-Wing Rogue Squadron graphic novels or Dark Empire. Is this page new? Guess someone's got a lot of work to do! 24.3.190.91 21:20, 22 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, those are now in, but here are some more things I found missing, and they are all video games: Starfighter, Jedi Starfighter, The New Droid Army, Rogue Squadron, Rogue Squadron II: Rogue Leader, X-Wing, TIE Fighter, and X-Wing Alliance. These are all missing and I would appreciate it if someone were to put them in their proper spots in continuity so that I will know. Thanks. 24.3.94.134 19:27, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Also missing Empire at War and its expansion, Forces of Corruption. I really wish someone would get on this. I'd do it myself, but I don't know where they go. In fact, the reason I'm asking is so that I may know. 24.3.94.134 19:47, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've put in the Starfighter games, X-wing, Tie-fighter, and X-wing alliance games. I've put in Forces of Corruption.Pulse003 19:43, 25 October 2008 (UTC)

Clone Wars conflicts
I'm finding conflicting information about the order of the Clone Wars novels and Short Stories. For example, this page says that Republic Commando: True Colors takes place in 20 BBY, while this page says that it happens in 21 BBY. The page about that book says 21 BBY. That is just an example, there are several others. 70.49.168.54 20:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe it starts in the year 21 BBY, but finishes in 20 BBY. It depends on whether the placement is based on the start or the end of the novel. 193.113.57.161 13:43, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Skip that acording to http://www.timelineuniverse.com/History.htm it ends in the last month of 21 BBY. (193.113.57.163 17:36, 1 October 2008 (UTC))
 * It should perhaps be noted that the TimelineUniverse website you mention is NOT officially endorsed by Lucasfilm and should therefore not be treated as determining canon. Thanks :) -Kev-La Ttolya 12:24, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, some items are listed where their story ends, or even slightly later, rather than where they begin. This is so that fans can watch/read/play etc. an item from this list without fear of it spoiling events detailed in an item listed at a later point. For example, the entry for a comics story-arc that begins before Episode III but covers some of the events of that movie might be placed after Episode III's entry. -Kev-La Ttolya 04:35, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Prototypes placement
Someone needs to add Prototypes to the timeline I would but I do not know what year it takes place in.Bao-Dur&#39;s clone 21:16, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Never mind by accident I did not notice that Prototypes page says when it takes place so I added it to the timeline.Bao-Dur&#39;s clone 17:54, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Knights of the Old Republic
Added Knights of the Old Republic: Opportunities to 3,957 BBY. Hope that's ok. 193.113.57.161 11:20, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Also added Millennium Falcon Novel, Jedi vs Sith Essential Guide (as written from in universe perspective) and Emmissary of the Void. Rule of Two moved as most it happens after Jedi vs Sith/ Bane of the Sith. 193.113.57.161 11:25, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Clarification needed
A few things:
 * One, the bit in the Clone Wars needs sorting out, where Anakin gets knighted. Someone has put the Jedi council meeting early in the war, but said he gets knighted near the end. ( Clone Wars Chapter 21) He gets knighted because Greivious took out a load of jedi on Hypori, so why have it later
 * And two, exactly after A New Hope needs sorting out. There's Star Wars Missions there that carry straight on from the film, but they're not there on the list; they're further down. Plus the Holiday Special is missing. Pulse003 08:23, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * First, keep in mind that everyone is (or should be) operating from confirmed dates. It doesn't matter if there's a plot hole, we have to stick to canon. Currently, just when Anakin gets Knighted is very foggy, as The Clone Wars essentially screwed up the timeline of the entire war. So if someone moved it, that's probably why. As for the rest, I have no clue. If you know how it's supposed to fit, more power to you. Din&#39;s Fire 997 18:40, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Both the Battle of Hypori and the Jedi Council meeting that followed it, where they discuss the new threat posed by General Grievous, occured in 22BBY. Although the Council members also discussed, at this meeting, making Anakin a Jedi Knight, he is not knighted until after the Battle of Praesitlyn (in the novel Jedi Trial). Hence the placement of Chapter 21 of the Clone Wars microseries at both points, with brief notes to explain which events occur when. I am, naturally, ignoring the events of The Clone Wars movie for the sake of the above clarification, as that only befuddles matters. -Kev-La Ttolya 08:29, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Clone Wars Adventures should be marked as such
Since there are quite a few of them, I think it would be desirable to add something like "Clone Wars Adventures: ..." in front of the episode titles. That way, anyone not interested in that particular series could easily skip the episodes without having to visit the single articles. Or are there specific reasons why it hans't already been done? 84.57.7.37 21:03, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe I'm correct in stating that the reason this has not been done is simply that it would mean that practically every entry in the list would then need a similar note stating which series of books/comics/games/TV shows it belonged to. Such notes are only added in order to provide necessary disambiguation (such as in the case of two sources with identical titles). Considering that one needs only to click on an entry to discover whether or not it is a Clone Wars Adventure, I think users will cope without notes specifying this on this page -Kev-La Ttolya 14:01, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I see, but it seems to me that apart from the Clone Wars Adventures episodes, most of the works that are part of a series do have the series title as a prefix, even if disambiguation is not called for. 84.57.33.136 10:47, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You're right: many of the entries do contain a prefix such as 'Republic:...' or 'The Thrawn Trilogy Volume I:...'. However, these are episodes of the specified series and so such prefixes are entirely necessary in order to see which "story", within the overall Star Wars story, they belong to. However, each Clone Wars Adventure is essentially a stand-alone story, as are the stories featured in Star Wars Tales, for example, and as such, these entries do not thus far seem to have been generally considered to necessitate such prefixes. -Kev-La Ttolya 04:23, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

The Clone Wars (TV series)?
The 2D TV series "Clone Wars" has been broken down into chapters and the chapters are individually inserted accordingly into the timeline. However, this is not done so for episodes of the 3D TV series "The Clone Wars". In fact, I don't see mention of the TV series (only the game, the film, and the novelization). I believe the "The Clone Wars" occur between chapters of "Clone Wars". May I clarify that this information is only missing because season 1 just ended and someone is working on (and is not yet done) inserting the episodes into the timeline? I hope this is indeed a planned work in progress, and not that it's not needed to be done. If nobody's working on it, I will gladly do so when I have the time. --Secretss 07:04, 15 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The problem with doing that is that there is no cohesive timeline set up for that yet. Furthermore, The Clone Wars will most likely change the dates of MANY of the previous books/comics.  So it's probably better to simply put a "Two Conflicting Timelines" warning at the top and put a note saying all material related to The Clone Wars series is waiting for a cohesive timeline to be written by LFL. Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith 12:57, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

Types of Media
I think there are too many types of media for individual things. Take The Phantom Menace for example:


 * 1) Episode I: The Phantom Menace
 * 2) Episode I: The Phantom Menace (Movie novelization)
 * 3) Episode I: The Phantom Menace (Comic adaptation)
 * 4) Episode I: The Phantom Menace (Junior novelization)
 * 5) Episode I: The Phantom Menace (Video game)
 * 6) Episode I: The Phantom Menace Adventures
 * 7) Star Wars Episode I Journal: Anakin Skywalker
 * 8) Star Wars Episode I Journal: Darth Maul
 * 9) Star Wars Episode I Journal: Queen Amidala
 * 10) Episode I Adventures 13: Danger on Naboo
 * 11) Episode I Adventures Game Book 13: Danger on Naboo
 * 12) Star Wars Adventures 11: Danger on Naboo
 * 13) Episode I Adventures 14: Podrace to Freedom
 * 14) Episode I Adventures Game Book 14: Podrace to Freedom
 * 15) Star Wars Adventures 12: Podrace to Freedom
 * 16) Episode I Adventures 15: The Final Battle
 * 17) Episode I Adventures Game Book 15: The Final Battle

All I want is the first one in that list. That way we don't have movie, junior, comic, game altogether. It looks stupid and I think it would look better if we had just the first one. It covers all the subsequent ones. If an adventure takes place during a preceding one ( take the journal for example), we should put somewhere that it takes place in it. Otherwise people might think it takes place after.

There is a lot of crap on this page and I would like responsibility for sorting it out. I created this page in the first place. Pulse003 18:43, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

Missing sources
Just starting a list of some sources I see are missing from this master list, that I don't know the exact placement of. Feel free to add to the list or add these to the actual timeline, if you know the correct placement. —Xwing328 (Talk) 22:45, 16 August 2009 (UTC)


 * The Bounty Hunters: Kenix Kil (supposedly 11 ABY, sometime after Crimson Empire II)
 * Boba Fett: Agent of Doom (also supposedly 11 ABY, sometime after Kenix Kil)

Classic Star Wars Comics
There are two sets of classic Star wars comics, one set was originally done by marvel and the other was originally done by Archie Goodwin. Does anyone know about the canonity of these series. Should they be included in this list? Wyken0 04:29, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Lost Tribe of the Sith: Purgatory
The eBook, Lost Tribe of the Sith: Purgatory, is missing from the list. squingynaut 18:54, October 31, 2010 (UTC)

Tales Comics
I have noticed that some (maybe all, I didn't check) of the Star Wars: Tales comics are color-coded as short stories rather than comics. Is this a mistake or was there some decision to do this? While I can understand that since they are mostly one-shot, they could be considered short stories, but I think that they would be more appropriately listed as comics. I'll gladly change them, but I just want to make sure that I'm not going against a previously made decision.  DarthDragon164 Dragon's Lair 18:51, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

inconsistency
Shouldn't the first six issues of Star Wars: Republic take place before Cloak of Deception? 10.7.10.169 19:44, January 27, 2011 (UTC)

Whoa there! TCW dating!
It's all well and good to date the CGI series as ca. 21 BBY, but how in the heck is it that this page has exact months for each episode? To my knowledge, that hasn't been determined by Licensing/Chee yet so how can that possibly be on this page? DigiFluid 19:51, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * It was taken from another of the Star Wars timelines. No idea where THEY got it from. --Morbus Iff 19:53, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Most likely conjecture (read: guesswork) then. Until the exact chronology is confirmed by Licensing/Leland Chee, I really don't think we should be assigning exact dates to episodes of TCW. DigiFluid 20:09, November 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree. --Morbus Iff 20:21, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

So, how best to proceed then? Should we be removing them outright, or just arbitrarily picking a spot to put them in temporarily until we have something clearer than the nebulous "ca. 21 BBY"? DigiFluid 20:35, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Galactic Battlegrounds, its expansion and Galaxies / Revan / Lost Tribe of the Sith
Why aren't included here the video games Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds, its expansion, Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds: Clone Campaigns, and Star Wars: Galaxies? They are included on the timeline of video games.Skenar ( Talk )  17:43, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, which is correct? Here it says that part 1 of The Old Republic: Revan is set on 3,956 BBY, and part 2 on 3,951 BBY. But on the article of the novel, it says part 1 is set on 3,954 BBY, and part 2 on 3,950 BBY. So what is correct?Skenar Jedi_Order.svg ( Talk ) 11:25, March 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Another thing: here it says that Lost Tribe of the Sith: Pantheon and Lost Tribe of the Sith: Secrets are set on 3,000 BBY, but on the article of Pantheon it says 3,650 BBY, and on the list of books it says that both books are set on 3,650 BBY. So, which is correct?Skenar Jedi_Order.svg ( Talk ) 11:30, March 28, 2012 (UTC)

Radio dramatizations
Shouldn't these be included here? If so, should a new media type be created? Muscle6386 15:28, March 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's actually an interesting idea. I guess in a strict sense, they are media.  I'd say go for it if you want.
 * Here's another perspective. Would soundtracks also be considered media here?


 * Should "Duel of the Fates" be placed on the timeline at the end of Episode I?


 * Then there are audio books too.


 * Should they all be included? Where do you draw the line?


 * &mdash; Eшσҡ  $їтӈ Lōяƌ  02:46, June 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * One way to deal with this could be to just put the title of one of the films that links to a disambiguation page. Mando26 01:48, June 2, 2012 (UTC)


 * I think the line gets drawn in the description of the page: "This is a timeline for all canonical Star Wars media". If it adds to canon, it belongs on this page. I don't think soundtracks add anything, and I've never listened to any audio books, but I wouldn't think that they add anything to canon, whereas the radio dramatizations include additional scenes. Perhaps an audio book could get the disambiguation link, but if novels, films and junior novels all get separate links for a particular film, it seems that the radio dramatization should get one too. Muscle6386 18:22, June 13, 2012 (UTC)

Clone Wars Mess
Quite frankly, I hate this new series. I believe that it's destroying all continuity in the timeline. On here, the Clone Wars area is so incredibly disorganized due to the new series. I propose that we eliminate the new Clone Wars media from this page until this timeline-ravaging storm subsides and we can piece all this crap together. In the meantime, we will create a new page exclusively for Clone Wars media. On that page, we can work with sorting the new Clone Wars media as it comes out. As it is, this page is just a MESS. My proposal will clean up this mess, and delegate it to another page where it can be dealt with separately for now. I feel it will improve the accuracy of the site. If there are no replies to this in one week, I will do this myself. --EwokSithLord 21:32, May 30, 2012 (UTC) The core of the issue here is that I can easily produce official sources for a lot of the items. With the new Clone Wars series, those official sources don't line up. Because we have no official timeline that includes the new Clone Wars media, is it right to have them on this page? By my interpretation, any placement of new Clone Wars media on this timeline would be considered speculation. However, I think for sake of keeping Wookieepedia up to date, a record of them should be kept somewhere despite the limited information about the order. What should be done? --EwokSithLord 03:14, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree, I hate this new series too. TCW material isn't needed until the new official timeline is established. Zeta1127 of the 89th Legion (talk) 21:41, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've created a test for the Timeline of Clone Wars media page in the Jundland Wastes. I want to wait a week before doing all this just so I don't piss anybody off.  People deserve fair warning.  I've already got the edits prepared in a Word document.  Once a week has gone by, they'll be done before you can blink.  EwokSithLord 00:00, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * We don't need a separate page. When they give us an official timeline, we will use that&mdash;otherwise, it's just original research and speculation. In other words, we don't allow that. And also, the sandbox gets cleared every day or so, so your work is not going to last. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 00:35, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * I know it will get deleted automatically. It said that right on the page.  I was counting on people being smart enough to look at my signature date ;) --EwokSithLord 02:18, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Cade has the crux of it. The show is canon, full stop, so it needs to stay on this article. But until we have an officially-sanctioned timeline, the 'c. 21 BBY' is how it has to stay. It's unfortunate, but as the show is heading into its fifth season, it's hardly a new issue. It's already spelt out in the article that we don't have an exact placement for the episodes, so there really isn't any need to adjust them until we're provided with a new canon timeline.

TL;DR: It's the status quo for a reason, leave it alone. &mdash; DigiFluid(Whine here) 20:16, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Be careful when you say TL;DR for one person and then go and support your friend. If my objectivity is going to be brought into question here, then make sure yours can't.  Perceived hypocrisy is the source of many stupid conflicts.  Make sure your view isn't limited to what you want to see. &mdash; Eшσҡ   $їтӈ Lōяƌ  21:58, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * What about the statement by Dave Filoni from Star Wars Insider 134, where he basically says TCW isn't in the same universe as the printed EU? Zeta1127 of the 89th Legion (talk) 22:08, June 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * That is an entirely different issue. Until we hear more about Filoni's absurd claims, we will still include TCW. He's just getting too big-headed. Someone will pop his ego soon enough. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 22:13, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

Alright. Reluctantly, I'll accept your argument. The messy look still kind of bothers me though. Should we at least group all the new Clone Wars media together? I'm trying to think of a way to keep it, but still give users something solid. I mean, the dates are all over the place. It goes 4, 5, 6, 7.5, 5, 14, 15, 16, 6, 16, 17, 16, 17, 18, 11, 13, 6, 9 (ABG). To a user, that's like "WTF?" We could group the new media, and basically put the other stuff in order around it. That would at least maintain a professional look. What do you think? &mdash; Eшσҡ  $їтӈ Lōяƌ  21:58, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Colorblind usability
I read an unsigned comment on another talk page made by a colorblind person. As I was working with colors, I began to think about it more. These colors probably make it hard for them to read the page (I'm not colorblind, so I don't know). I have an idea, and I have a feeling you're not gonna like it. Colorblindness affects 8% of males. You can read more about it here. I'm not suggesting that we remove the colors from this page. A rather out of place yet fitting quote would be "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one." We should keep the colors on this page, but perhaps we could create a second page mirroring this one but with the colors removed. I know it might be a pain to do, but shouldn't we make the site friendly for everyone who enjoys Star Wars? If nothing else, it will be a more printer-friendly page. &mdash; Eшσҡ  $їтӈ Lōяƌ  03:51, June 3, 2012 (UTC)


 * No, that's absurd. &mdash; DigiFluid(Whine here) 20:18, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

The Clone Wars Gambit Novels Stealth and Siege
I was wondering why the Clone Wars Gambit novels Stealth and Siege are not on the Timeline of Media. This has been bugging me for a few years now.(--64.252.114.231 01:54, July 27, 2012 (UTC))

Scourge
So when is Scourge? I see it says 19 ABY, the same year as the Hand of Thrawn Duology. When is it in relation to that? --Darth R2-D2, Dark Lord of the Droids (talk) 15:12, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Eruption short story
It happens after Into the Void.

Just because it is included in the book AFTER the events of the book, doesn't mean that it happens after. In the final paragraphs of Eruption, Lanoree Brock tells Hawk Ryo that she has been called to Tython for the mission she embarks on in Into The Void.--ExarKunLives (talk) 01:30, February 5, 2014 (UTC)

New Timeline
So what if the two timlines are treated like parallel universes? You can name them different, but like a Lucasverse and the new Disneyverse (which is the new official one). This way people like me who just started going down the expanded universe can still see where they would have been placed in the old timeline. Source: http://starwars.com/news/the-legendary-star-wars-expanded-universe-turns-a-new-page.html Tivis014 (talk) 05:29, April 26, 2014 (UTC)


 * My thought is that we'll copy this page to a "Legends" timeline page where all the old continuity can be kept. Then the films, TCW and new material would be tracked on this page. At the moment, we don't have enough information to do anything, and the new stuff is still several months away anyways. Tainb&#39;ocu&#39;chulainn (talk) 18:46, April 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * I have added all the material that we know to be canonical based on the information given this week: films and film novelizations, TCW episodes and books based on TCW scripts, Star Wars Rebels, and the new novels that have been announced. If anything else is deemed canonical, please add and cite references. Tainb&#39;ocu&#39;chulainn (talk) 16:01, May 1, 2014 (UTC)

Color Palette
With the removal of all previous comic books, game books, video games and promotional material, the color scheme for media types really needs an update. Films, novels, short stories, and TV episodes are all shades of blue, which makes it difficult to distinguish between them while scrolling. I'd appreciate it if someone with better color taste than I could come up with a better palette. I was thinking that films could be based on the color of the opening scrawls to help them pop out from the list better. Perhaps TV episodes could be the color of "In a galaxy far, far away..." text. Tainb&#39;ocu&#39;chulainn (talk) 16:01, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * The current color scheme is based on the Microsoft Excel standard palette, which is fairly nice (and well-thought out by some qualified designer somewhere). That being said, I agree that the films should likely stand out more. See my proposal for the film color here. The colors could use some re-shuffling, at any rate, but overall I think the Excel colors are very nice. --Imperialles 16:38, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't have a problem with the colors themselves. The current ones go well together, but the colors used are problematic: too many blues. I feel that TV should be changed from a blue shade that is too close to Novels and Short stories. Perhaps to a yellow shade to come close to Films (visual media=yellow, prose=blue, etc). Your suggestion is close to what I tried earlier today, but if you look here, it doesn't go too well with the rest of the colors. Tainb&#39;ocu&#39;chulainn (talk) 18:24, May 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * Fair point. I reworked the proposal on my subpage a bit. This adheres to the the original color palette, and keeps the idea about sorting the media into "color groups" (comics and promotional grouped together may be a stretch, but bear with me). It should increase contrast and readability. Thoughts? --Imperialles 18:38, May 1, 2014 (UTC)