Talk:Grievous/Archive9

Why?
Why did Palpatine not give Vader a body like Greivous? I mean Grevious seems to be a much better fighter and he is not even force sensitve. Sure Vader would have to be cut up more but it would be for the better good 9or evil ;)
 * Please don't fill the talk page with useless topics--Herbsewell 10:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Because Vader was around in 1977, before advanced computer animation. Rain Thalo 21:17, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

if grevious is better than vaders how come grevious is the older version and vaders is the newer version. the driod implants that were on grevious, properly did not work on vaders because they are different species.--Serg arty 22:15, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * First, if you're going to ask a question, improve your grammar and make it coherent. Second, there's a real-world time issue that you're missing here.  When Vader was created and filmed (in the 70s and 80s) the kind of special effects technology needed to make cool-looking cyborgs like Grievous didn't exist.  Technology has obviously advanced since then, and it was taken advantage of to make a character like Grievous appear on-screen. Rain Thalo 00:47, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Although you may think grievous was better he acutally was not. First of all not much of grievous survived the shuttle crash. Only his brain and internal organs were spared. That is why he was mostly machine. Vader was actually the better version. You may have noticed that grevious tended to cough and wheeze. The only thing that makes it seem like he was better was just a difference in special effects. When a force sensitive looses limbs part of their ability to use the force is lost. It may have seemed that grevious was a good fighter but he was actually no match for a well trained force user. So If Darth Vader were made to be like greivous he would have become useless to the emperor simply becase his a ability to control the force would have been greatly deminished.Mithraw7 12:15, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

i think grevious olny seems better because of when the movies were made he had the advantage of better animation and special effects.


 * I think I can put this to rest for you, special effects aside. Vader was meant to be Palpatine's Sith apprentice, and as others have mentioned, one must have a biological body for them to fully connect and use the Force. Palpatine later said that Vader's cybernetic replacements were a great disappointment to him. And a quick look at the page on Vader's armor further explains that his armor was designed to keep him uncomfortable and in pain. Grievous, on the other hand, had no connection with the Sith, or the Dark Side, and was created to be both a Jedi hunter and to lead a droid army. Similarly to Vader, his body was changed to keep him in constant anger.--Demos Traxen 05:59, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Why??
Why was the FA status removed? Citations were provided for most of it, the POV was trimmed, and I don't see what was wrong with the images. Unit 8311 12:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Name
If we renamed "Darth Vader" "Anakin Skywalker," and the title for the Emperor's article is "Palpatine," why isn't this "Qymaen Jai Sheelal" instead of "Grievous?" Palpatine would only call himself Sidious in front of other force-sensitive for the most part, Grevious took to calling himself Grevious everywhere, so it can saftly be said he changed his name. Destroyer Droid 23:45, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Grievous was his latest and final name. Vader ceased being Vader when he threw Palpy into the reactor and "Emperor" is a title. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png Talk 21:17, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * But Palpatine was not his last name. He was never redeemed. He was Darth Sidious.
 * True, but most people in the Galaxy didn't know he was a Sith. Palpatine was what he was known as. Green Tentacle (Talk) 22:30, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Actually Palpatine had made clones of himself that his ghost possesd, so he could have renamed himself but chose not to.

Last words?
Which should be considered Grievous's last words: the last ones he spoke in the film--i.e. army or not, you must realise you are doomed! or something like that--or the last ones in the novel version, i.e. just what?? Unit 8311 09:47, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * If you're asking about this only to put it in the article, let me stop you ahead of time. Having one's last words in an article is pointless, unless it's a good quote like Thrawn's last words. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) Imperial_Emblem.svg 11:12, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * All depends on the quote. If it were the "Army or not, you are doomed" quote, that's funny and ironic, because, well, Kenobi wasn't doomed; Grievous was. That's worth putting in. If it were just "What?" or just those groans that he made before he blew up, that's less interesting. Erik Pflueger Republic_Emblem.svg 15:04, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL, yeah, his last words were "URK! UAGH!!!!!!"*BANG*--1upD 20:55, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * What about that Jawa-esque babbling he spouts after Obi-Wan opens up his chest plates? I always assumed that was him swearing in Kaleesh. That would certainly make for some interesting last words. --Beholder1995 16:49, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Grievous' Kaleesh face revealed!
Weird looking.

71.164.42.127 14:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Where'd you get this from? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 14:58, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * From a pic that entertainmentearth.com sent out in a newsletter. (This is Rune Haako by the way, it won't let me login, and post anything.) 71.164.42.127 15:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 15:11, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The eyes...Thats' really creepy...Are you sure this is real?--1upD 16:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I have my doubts, but it appears to be official. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 20:25, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's real, here's the whole pic. 71.164.42.127 21:57, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I also saw that on another site. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 11:31, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It could be a fan-made model. They do that all the time. Plus, Malak looks pretty unproffesional. Still...--1upD 20:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Could be prototypes. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 00:45, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Are you 'positive that's supposed to be Grievous? Because it looks different than other pictures of Kaleesh Grievous. Unit 8311 12:35, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Like...? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 21:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It looks just like the other pictures, just without the mask. You can see him holding it.--1upD 23:51, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I know; that's why I wanted to know which pictures he was referring to. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 11:29, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Bigger pic of the figure from CIV. Rune Haako 00:33, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That link doesn't work.--1upD 14:45, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Worked fine for me yesterday. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 14:46, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Look at the picture of Grievous in the bacta tank at the start of the 'becoming a cyborg' section. You can see that he has a humanoid head, unlike that...thing. Oh, and that link doesn't work for me either. Unit 8311 16:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, Lucasfilm obviously gave the OK for this figure... &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 20:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Unless I'm looking at this wrong, the only known difference is the eyes. They look similar, but these eyes are huge and somehow come off the head...strange...--1upD 14:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Does anyone know whether this figure is still in development or has been finalised and whether or not it's confirmed that it will come out or not? Unit 8311 15:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's been finalized and will be coming out. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 17:13, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Au Batido
I read in the article that some of Grievous's fighting was based on capoeira. So I looked it up on Wikipedia. Look at ! Doesn't that look familiar?(Clone Wars Volume 1) Should it be mentioned?--1upD 16:51, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that does look like Grievous fighting. Unit 8311 12:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Grievous/Honoghr
I was reading Yoda: Dark Rendezvous, on page 279, one of Dooku's monitors shows "...a panning shot of the devastation on Honoghr, six months after the toxic catastrophe there--part of General Grievous's proposal to step up use of bioweapons in the Outer Rim campaigns..."


 * I haven't seen anything on Wookieepedia about this in the Grievous, or Battle of Honoghr pages. GMo &gt;:M:&lt; 05:33, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Armor
Observe: http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/thumb/6/6d/Geonosian1.jpg/271px-Geonosian1.jpg Mainly the foot structure and leg joints.--75.48.6.240 05:15, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I have noticed a couple similarities between Grievous' armor and the geonosians.
 * The Geonosians were the ones who rebuilt Grievous, after all. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 12:01, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right...I guess I never really noticed the connection. Since Grievous redid his helmet/head, it's possible that originally he was even more Geo-like.--1upD 19:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

jedi kills
Why does it say that he killed Shaak Ti over couruscant. That scene was non-canon. GOD BLESS AMERICA! Kimu 17:56, 19 July 2007 (UTC)RC-0722 1:56 july 19, 2007 Actually, on StarWars.com, in Grievous' profile (Behind the Scenes), it says that the scene is non-canon.-- General Vampyrum  The General's Talk I always thought that he killed Ahsoka Tano..i mean...how did she die!?!?!?!?!??!
 * Removed. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 17:59, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Kimu 18:09, 19 July 2007 (UTC)RC-0722. 2:09 PM july 19, 2007
 * Thats not fanon, in an episode 3 deleted scene Grevious kills her on the Invisible Hand in front of Obi and Anakin after he captured her on Coruscant.Lieutenant J.J 08:08, 13 November 2008 (UTC)Lieutenant J.J
 * Deleted scenes are not considered canon.--Anderson 09:55, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Blocking Blasterfire
I fon't think we should use Battlefront II as a source regarding his ability to block blaster shots, in Battlefront II the ability to deflect those shots were shared by all light-saber weilding characters, if the game developers shoved a lightsaber into Jango's hands, he'd be deflecting shots too. Furthermore, I don't think the battlefront games are a good source over what a characters abilites are. Destroyer Droid 23:38, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Regardless, he could deflect blaster bolts, and it should be mentioned. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 23:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I just think it's a very faulty source. Destroyer Droid 01:01, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Point worth noting: The ability to control the force seems to defined by the level of midichlorians in the bloodstream. An infinities source (The Eyes of Revolution) has Dooku mentioning a blood transfusion from Sifo-Dyas to Grievous, noted in the main image on Sifo-Dyas' page. Would he then be able to control the force? I know this is all non-canon, but could it be possible? Another interesting question, would Anakin's drop in ability then be explained by losing so much blood on Mustafar, and then having less blood, more machine in him? Micah Giett 01:16, 22 July 2007 (UTC) Huh? I thought Grevious lost his connectivity to the force when he became a droid, or at least the few organic body parts he still had couldn't allow him to predict anything like blasters. Destroyer Droid 03:23, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You know, that's a very good theory, Micah. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 12:54, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * He would still most likely need at least a small amount of blood to keep his organs alive (which he still had). That blood, had it been transfused from Sifo-Dyas, would contain midi-chlorians. Micah Giett 15:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a bit similar to the case of the Iron Knights. They were simply crystals in droid bodies, yet they possessed the power to use the Force. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 17:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

erm... I knew he had blood in the organs, I was just saying that I found it unlikly that that's what made him force-sensitive, or being able to block blasters at the least. Destroyer Droid 04:25, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Previously you asked if he lost his force sensitivity when he became a droid. What source do you have that he was force-sensitive before? Micah Giett 19:26, 28 July 2007 (UTC)C

Force-Sensitive as in having a connection to the force, and yes, I realize that's not the traditional use of the term, but it's how I use it. Destroyer Droid 20:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's best for you to use it how everyone else does, to avoid further confusion. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 22:04, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Eh... I might as well. Destroyer Droid 01:26, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Anakin did lose some of his skill do to his loss of limbs on Mustafar (stated as much in Dark Lord).  Chack Jadson  Talk 17:59, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

He lost skill due to the fact he couldn't channel the force as easily through mechanical limbs. What? Did you think there were droid jedi running around? Destroyer Droid 20:48, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure he was referring to the "Force-sensitivity is in the blood" theory. And besides, there are droid Jedi&mdash;the Iron Knights. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 21:48, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I was Jack, thanks. Also I believe it was NEGtC that stated Vader could not command force lightning due to the fact that it required flesh and blood arms. But he did suffer a loss in over all force power and I think this is because there was less blood in less flesh containing less midi-chlorians.Micah Giett 23:04, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I was referring to Chack there, though. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 00:00, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * My bad, but my point stands. Micah Giett 21:08, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Just note: being able to use the Force is not a resultant from the number of midichlorians one has. It's instead a result of training.  Midichlorians are just a prerequisite.  And, also, it is stated that Dooku's experiment (the tranfusion of Sifo-Diyas's blood, or at least I think that's who it belonged to) was a failure, again noting that having midichlorians does not guarantee Force sensitivity.  And Vader physically could not use Force Lightning, if not because of a lack of skill, moreover because we saw what Palpatine's Force Lightning did to the mechanics in his suit.  He would have been self-destructing if he tried.  Jhbartlett 02:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Even a Padawan could block blaster bolts- he couldn't direct them though. Besides, it's all about technique, not prediction for blaster bolts.- StarWarjacker 08:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

I believe it was stated in Jedi vs Sith: a Guide to the Force that Vader could not use force lightening due to the impact it would have on his suit. It never said he was unable. Also to piggy-back on Jhabartlett, midichlorians are a prerequisite, however, the more midichlorians one has the easier it is for them to command and master the force. So a loss of midichlorians through loss of blood would hinder a force users abilities.Mithraw7 12:29, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Jedi Kills List
I removed the Jeid Kills section per the Inq page. If anyone objects, or has a suggestion about how to incorporate it into the article, please post it here.  Chack Jadson  Talk 19:45, 5 August 2007 (UTC) I don't recall a "Jedi killed by Darth Vader" or a "Jedi killed by their clone troopers", so I see no reason to have a "jedi killed by Grevious". At best we could have "Grevious takes great pleasure in killing Jedi and enjoys taking their lightsabers as trophies". Destroyer Droid 01:41, 10 August 2007 (UTC) Sorry, I have found it: Jmmaar, a Viraanntesse. Wow! Anyway, a separate list of Grievous's lightsaber collection would still be good...Domlith 14:29, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I suppose a "Category:Jedi killed by Grievous" wouldn't be a good idea... ;) &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 23:15, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see this as a good idea. People using this wiki might want to know what Jedi Grievous killed, so I say put the list back in. A category would just be a waste of space...Unit 8311 07:53, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Just to let you know, that thing about a category was a joke. Also, I don't like the idea of a list, either. Keeping it might give someone the idea of putting a similar list on the Anakin Skywalker article. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 12:43, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, to be as encylopeadic as possible, I think we should have a list of Grievous's victims in some shape or form. Compressing it to a paragraph would just be a mess, so I think a list is our best bet, or maybe a table, like the Grievous article on Wikipedia. Of course, if somebody has a better alternative, I'd be happy to hear it. Unit 8311 12:50, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Encyclopedias don't have lists of the victims of people. A list is a bad idea. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 21:16, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I included a few of the Jedi he killed in Talents and Abiliites. I guess you could add about four or five more there. And a category certainly wouldn't work.  Chack Jadson  Talk 21:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Can't you two take a joke? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 21:31, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * My comment was made in jest by the way. Sorry for the misunderstanding.  Chack Jadson  Talk 21:38, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Personaly I think that haveing some form of a list is a good idea. --User:Axx1000 22:56, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * For my part, I miss the section. It was good to see them "collected", not to mention that it would illustrate Grievous's collector attitude - remember, he collected the lightsabers, not the Jedi. A separate list would be equally good. And there are other details, e.g. which 4 lightsabers did he wield against Obi-Wan? It was here in the article a few months ago, and then disappeared? Was there no source? (And anyway I can't find that insectoid Jedi whose green saber was among the four, he was named here at least). Domlith 14:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Sacrifire
Is Grievous really mentioned in sacrifire?
 * I'm pretty sure he is, but I don't remember where though. --User:Wiilover Nintendo Wii 23:25, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

GRievas is not mentioned in sacrifice.

I wnna see if any1 agrees
I know this is kind of irrelevant but am i the only 1 gettin tired of all the EU crap I mean come on people its just

War after war

1 more bad guy sith after another

The jedi getting slaughtered day after day

More and more jedi surviving (reaaly people if ALL thoose jedi survived order 66 the Empire didnt do a very good job

Insecure obnoxious kids going crazy killing people and becoming sith... ex Anakin (duh) Jacen the list keeps going

What happened to creativity? If you agree or disagree please put a message
 * This has absolutely nothing to do with the General Grievous article. Are you going to post this on every talk page? --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 00:30, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Grievous and retreating from battle.
"Some said that Grievous was also a coward, as he frequently ran when he was losing a battle."

Is that really the case?

General Grievous was a high ranking official in the CIS, and one of their most brilliant and important people. Like Count Dooku, the Confederacy couldn't afford to lose him. On Dooku's page and a few others like Windu (i believe), it makes reference to the fact that had Dooku been captured or killed on Geonosis, then the war very much could have ended and the CIS with it before either took off.

Once the war was in full swing, Dooku became somewhat less important because he was no longer the sole life line of the CIS so to speak, but he was still a major player for them. And once he was killed, while the war would continue, thou with Grievous now being the main man, Dooku's loss was still a huge blow to the CIS war effort.

Look at Grievous's death, the CIS fell shortly after his death. Although Grievous was not the direct cause of the CIS's death, he was the last great leader the CIS had to offer. Without him, the CIS had nobody to lead the armies anymore, but the Separatist Council. So with or without the actions of Vader, the CIS would probably fallen sooner or later without Grievous anyway because they didn't have any great people left.

In fact I think his death was the biggest cause of the CIS's demise aside from Vader. The Republic knew the war would much likely end with the death of Grievous.

You are right he knew he would be the cause of the seperatist downfall if he died.(Darth Caedus).

Look at WW2 for another example. During the war in Africa, the British tried to capture or kill Erwin Rommel. Without Rommel, the Axis would have fallen in Africa much sooner then they did, because Rommel was their top guy. Grievous's role in the CIS was much the same. He like Dooku and others couldn't afford to fall.

He was right to retreat from battle when losing, should he have continued to fight, he ran the risk of dying and therefor compromise the entire CIS war effort. But does all of that make him a coward?

I believe that i make a valid point. What does everyone else think?

I believe this argument should be taken into consideration for being added to Grievous's page for neutrality and depth.

68.34.156.49 04:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)Ryan


 * I agree with this guy. Grevious was clearly not a coward.  He knew when the time was to beat a retreat, but that's a quality of any good military leader.  You may as well call Luke a coward for running away from Vader.  Also, surely we can come up with a better leading quote? He must have said something a bit more interesting than that at some point. Coming Second 23:52, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Some people IU called him a coward though. Mace, and Palpatine, I believe.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 20:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

It's true that Mace Windu called him a coward when talking to Palpatine. However, Palpatine merely said he escaped.

But, I would say that the point should be made that: 1) Windu was understandably frustrated that they had not yet succeeded in capturing such a tactically-minded enemy, and 2) Windu's personal style was to fight to the death, rather than retreat or be captured, as in Episode II, to Dooku: "We will not be prisoners to be bartered!"

So I would say that he only called Grievous a coward out of a conflicting style, and that doesn't really make him one. Jhbartlett 02:34, 23 February 2008 (UTC)


 * How long does it take for something to be done and made official? I added my argument once before, but somebody took it off. How long does it take to make it official so that it won't get taken off? This isn't Congress people! 68.56.20.30 00:34, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

I believe the mandalorians would call it a strategic disappearance. 72.145.255.122 19:00, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

There is a fine line between a tactical retreat and cowardice, during the Battle of Coruscant, it appeared necessary. Grievous had his captive and was beating a hasty retreat. But aboard the invisible hand, the situation was different. Grievous selfishly denied escape to all the organic crewmen for his own survival. Even during the battle of Utapau he explicitly fled from the battle in an [failed] attempt to escape in his Belbullab-22. User:Elshnait 16:42, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Face
Grievous' real face is creeping me out SW ep. MMMDCCLXII 03:44, 23 February 2008 (UTC)# SW ep. MMMDCCLXII

Yeah, tell me about it. I guess all Kaleesh were like this. Clone Trooper 1000 01:12, 16 January 2009 (UTC)]] 06:11, 15 January 2009

a coward, i don't think so.
there is a stereotype that say grievous is a coward well for those who watched clone wars i don't think so. in the sine where dooku is training grievous and he says " if any one element is of lacking it would be better for you to retreat" --unsigned comment by User:Andrew66 on 07:50, 25 February 200
 * In the Ep.3 Commentary, George Lucas said that he wanted him to come across as a cunning coward. NaruHina ''' Talk Anakinsolo.png 03:29, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Using the Force?
In the comic book "General Grievous", he gestures with his hand and crushes a Jedi with a vat of molten metal. Since the blood transfusion with Sifo-Dyas failed and he has no other connection to the force this could be a breach of canon. Is it?

StarWarjacker 07:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Force-sensitive?
Is he a force-sensitive or does lightsaber skills just come from his robotic body?
 * He's not Force-sensitive.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 01:04, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Jedi Killer persona

 * Grievous became almost obsessed with killing Jedi and succeeded in killing many of them. As this is an important part of his personality, I think that we should put something on this in the "Personality and traits" section, to discuss this in greater depth than is done in the article at the moment, and to state the various Jedi that he killed --80.42.122.174 19:50, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This already exists in the "Talents and abilities" section

Battle of Parein II 4

 * The article doesn't mention Grievous's involvement in the Battle of Parein II 4 --80.42.85.31 10:00, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Now it is.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:09, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

did yoda ever fight grievous?
That would be awesome, but wait, imagiane yoda as a sith
 * First of all, no, Yoda never fought Grievous. Second, Wookieepedia isn't the place for comments like "imagiane yoda as a sith." Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 00:49, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Contradictions
"In Episode III, Grievous uses four lightsabers, two of which were the same hilt design as Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi, even though they still possessed theirs."

I don't think that's a contradiction worth noting. There were thousands of Jedi in the old republic and Grievous had killed many. Surely some lightsabers looked similar.208.101.133.171 14:42, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Or maybe Lucas got lazy and figured nobody would notice if they used sabers that had already been made. Darth Endis 09:49, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Jedi had their lightsabers mass produced. Only the first lightsaber was required to be constructed from hand. Per the other responder, I'm sure he cam across hilts exactly like Obi-Wan and Anakin's. O-ChampionOfTheForce-o 03:31, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Possible RotJ Reference
I've recently discovered a curious similarity to Grievous' "Earpieces" and the strange flanges on the back of the Ubrikkian land skiff, the kind seen in Return of the Jedi. Is this a possible gag or refencence to RotJ or is it a complete coincidence? Has anyone else noticed this? Elshnair 19:03 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've noticed this too, and it's likely a coincidence, although knowing Lucas and his design team, it might be intended.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 11:36, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Question
When did Palpatine use a mind trick on Grievous and why?--Rawdeal 15:42, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

This is funny
I found this on the Target Clone Wars red regiment page.

Droid General

A highly skilled warlord from planet Kalee, General Grievous always wanted to be a Jedi but lacked the requisite Force sensitivity. Realizing that his powers would never equal a Jedi's, Grievous vowed to destroy the Order. The first step in his diabolical plot was to undergo a series of surgical procedures that replaced his body parts with robotic appendages that give him superhuman strength and agility. Now, countless procedures later, Grievous lives as a man trapped inside a machine's body, but his powers finally rival those of a Jedi Knight. Ruthless and premeditatedly cruel, Grievous takes joy only when inflicting suffering upon others, even if that person or droid is his ostensible ally. Third in command of the Separatist forces, Grievous answers only to Dooku, who in turn answers only to Sidious.

Just thought this was funny and might be worth mentioning under a trivia section. They also say Asajj isn't known about to Sidious.-Proconix 18:02, 14 August 2008 (UTC)Proconix Hilarious huh? Hehehe!-Proconix 22:46, 14 August 2008 (UTC)Proconix
 * Oh my, that is absolutely absurd... Drewton  Era-old.png ( Drewton's Holocron ) 19:19, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Unbelieveable. Absoultely ridiculous.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:00, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Whaaaaaaaaaa?  Ifindyourlackoffaithdisturbing  ( Oya Manda! ) 22:52, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh God, no. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 23:01, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Hopefully this information won't be in the actual series, but it's unfortunately very likely that it will due to the The Lair of General Grievous explaining Grievous' backstory. Or so I've heard. Drewton  ( Drewton's Holocron ) 01:25, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh !@#$ it can't! its gotta be a typo, they said they were respecting EU, they said! ~ Dr.Kermit 01:32, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
 * So they're going to override several previous works?  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:05, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It just has to do with Grievous getting Sifo-Dyas's blood in a transfusion, and not getting his force powers afterwards. Nothing more, and nothing less.--Rune Haako 22:11, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Still, even if that's it, it sounds like an idea written by a five year old. Not that the movie seemed any different. Drewton  Era-old.png ( Drewton's Holocron ) 22:49, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Are you sure Rune Hakko? Where did you find that info? I'm not doubting you of course, I just want to see this blessed truth with my own eyes. Dr.Kermit ( Babble here ) 00:08, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

LOL I've read that crap to,almost like Lucas put it out like a joke.In fact I remember an old rumor.Want to hear it?Yes you do."Grievous was MADE from dead clone trooper body parts,then the rest was built with IG-100 Droid parts."Pretty funny.Sith-venator 00:35, 12 November 2008 (UTC)

Did grievous know about palpatine?
I believe grievous did not know that palpatine was the sith lord in episode 3, because he left palpatine to die on the ship and calls him lord sidious. But i have been told that grievous did know. What do others think?


 * I read in Revenge of the Sith: The Visual Dictionary that Grievous diden't know that Palpatine and Sidious was the same person and that he [Grievous] diden't understand why he wasen't allowed to kill Palpatine.Jacce 05:57, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I too believe that he didn't know about Palpatine's full role in the Clone Wars, but, judging from his conversations with the afore-mentioned Sith Lord, I'd say he didn't. Mathos Rin 06:02, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * He did not know.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:45, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The novelization of Episode III says that Grievous wondered why Sidious wouldn't let him kill Palpatine, so he definitely didn't know. Rain Thalo 21:15, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Grievous was so disrespectful to Chancellor Palpatine, durring the Battle of Coruscant, that he could not know that Palpatine was talking to Darth Sidious. ––Bron Hañda 15:45, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Red lightsabers
Since he allied himself with the Sith, why didn't Dooku give him Synth-crystals to show that he was truly an enemy of the Jedi? After all, it must be confusing on whose side he was on by the colors of the blades he wielded. 72.209.10.107 02:07, 12 September 2008 (UTC) Plus it's common myth that Sith HAVE TO use red sabers and that Jedi HAVE TO use other colored sabers.O-ChampionOfTheForce-o 03:33, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Grievous took lightsabers from Jedi he killed and he wanted his enemies to know it. I doubt most would recognize them as much with red blades. Drewton  Era-old.png ( Drewton's Holocron ) 02:26, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think Grievous really was a sith he had no force powers.Darth exeltonRepublic Emblem.svg (talk) 03:41, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think anyone - ally or enemy - would mistake a large, four-armed completely unique cyborg just because of the color of his lightsabers. --Demos Traxen 05:39, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Event
Hey what is the event called when he got injured by a shuttle incident and rebuilt as a robot? Is it the Shuttle Crash Incident?(Mr Levinson 01:19, 23 September 2008 (UTC))

Palpatine used a Mind trick on Grievous?
I read towards the end of the war Palpatine used a mind trick on grievous,but when and why exactly?--71.75.175.243 01:48, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Where'd you read this?  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 01:50, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * In the RotS novel, Palpatine uses a mind trick on Greivous while acting as a prisoner. I forget the exact reason, but it was to prevent Greivous from doing anything stupid to him or something. --Danik Kreldin 22:53, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Number of Fingers
In the movie he had six fingers on each hand (when his arms were unseperated) and it appears in the older Clone Wars cartoon he had five fingers on each hand and in the new Clone Wars cartoon he has four fingers on each hand.

I'm not sure how many fingers he has in other sources but a note about it should probably appear in the article.Anderson 22:43, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Just to add onto this, he's shown with five fingers in the "General Grievous" Comics. Darth Endis 09:55, 12 October 2008 (UTC)


 * I have an idea. Maybe he had separate sets of robotic hands that each had a different number of fingers. Also, in The Clone Wars, his mask had three teeth, but in ROTS, he had four. He probably had two different types of replacement masks. -- Clone Trooper 1000 23:23, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * he's shown with five fingers in the "General Grievous" Comics.
 * I have the graphic novel version sitting in front of me right now. Grievous is shown with five fingers on pages 2, 14-15, 22 and 35. However, he's shown with six fingers on 27, 42, 43, 44, 48, 49, 61 and 66. On page 4 he only has four fingers, and on pages 28 and 50 he has six fingers on one hand and five on the other! Grievous is depicted with the correct number of fingers on each hand twice as often as he is depicted with only five. Possibly the frames that show the wrong number were drawn before the artist knew how many fingers he was supposed to have, or the artist just forgot, or similar reasons. Ghosthande 23:42, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Republic commando

 * There is no mention of his brief participation in the battle of Kashyyyk, which appears in Star Wars: Republic Commando and is mentioned in Order 66: A Republic Commando Novel --Jinzler 20:53, 12 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll add it soon.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 20:19, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * There is also some Rep commando stuff about Grievous using Utapau as a base. True Colors reveals that Jaing Skirata had detected his presence there as early as 21 BBY and p.137 of Order 66 reveals that he has continued to use it and Jaing and Kom'rk have continued to monitor him there and got visits there from some of his allies, like the Regent of Garis, and that he kept asking Dooku about when he was going to get all the millions of droids he had been promised. I think this stuff needs adding as well --Jinzler 21:18, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I have added all this stuff --Jinzler 20:52, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Your help is much appreciated.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:53, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Name Change
I thought Grievous changed his name when he had to become a cyborg because of a shuttle crash that may have been orchestrated by Dooku. Rain Thalo 21:21, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Originally, he was Qymaen Jai Sheelal, but after his friend's death, he changed it to Grievous, therefore meaning that he became Grievous before the shuttle crash. -Clone Trooper 1000 23:28, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Vampires!
Please, please tell me that you also see the resemblance between Grievous, and thee classic vampire from Nosferatu. For your convenience in case you don't know what I'm talking about. Count Orlok General Grievious. I propose that we mention this uncanny resemblance, it has been done before.Darth Dar Binks 10:26, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it's a coincidence. The resemblance isn't that great, IMO.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 12:02, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, come on... Pasty white faces, orbed skulls, humped backs, sunken eyes, pointy ears, hell Grievous has two stylized fangs as well.Darth Dar Binks 18:34, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I see no resemblance whatsoever. Drewton  Era-old.png ( Drewton's Holocron ) 22:24, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * You don't see the likened features I listed? When Grievous made his first appearance in Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith he even held his arms in in the same manner as Count Orlok. I don't understand what you mean. How could you not see the resemblance?  Is it because General Grevious is incased in metal?  Please elaborate...06:48, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I really think you're pushing ti with this one. His face looks more like a rodent's skull than a vampire. Rain Thalo 00:23, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Sigh... I guess I'm alone on this one, I don't know why (maybe it has something to do with what we were raised on movie wise) but the resemblance is uncanny to me. Well I bow to the majority's verdict, and formally withdraw the claim that Star Wars's General Grievous is inspired upon Nosferatu's Count Orlok.   As far as I'm concerned the matter is resolved.Darth Dar Binks 16:37, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

General Grievous
Shouldn't this page be entitled General Grievous? Dcwiki24 03:08, 1 December 2008 (UTC) Exactly. Thus why Ackbar's page isn't ADMIRAL Ackbar. 03:34, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No. "General" is a title, not a name. The page's should be entitled with their names. Zakor1138 03:18, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

force
did grevious know the force


 * Know of it? Yes. Could he touch it? No.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 20:45, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * he says in Revenge of the Sith that he was "trained in your Jedi arts by Count Dooku." he could not actually use the Force, but he knew how to use a lightsaber, whether by training or implants in his brain or both is unclear. Rain Thalo 00:21, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Not to ope an old discussion but you don't have to be a Jedi to wield a lightsaber without losing limbs so implants are not probable. As well, he was seen being trained by Dooku in Star Wars: Clone Wars. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 15:50, 16 March 2009 (UTC)

Spelling
Why is it that nobody can spell his name right? It's G-R-I-E-V-O-U-S. Not that difficult. Rain Thalo 00:27, 2 December 2008 (UTC)

lol

grievous in Neopets?

 * I found this in Neopets. It's called "Griefer." Is it based on Grievous? I think so. The similarity is most prominent in the head design.-- Batman ( Zakkoroen) The Batcave.Batcomputer. 20:05, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Could be. Neopets was run by Wizards of the Coast, last I checked, which also does the official SW RP games.SinisterSamurai 23:13, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

grievous vs vader
im confused. you talk of "grievouses" and "vaders" as though they were species. i only know of 1 grievous and 1 vader. i could be wrong... Illogic armada 22:49, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Where do you see "grievouses"?  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:12, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

at the top of this page. Illogic armada 23:02, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I see "vaders" a couple times but no "grievouses." I think it's just somebody with bad grammar. Rain Thalo 21:19, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Assassination Mission
Im confused. During the General Grievous comics, Yoda condemned Flynn Kybo's idea of assassinating Grievous. I know he thought it was because of the dark side, but didnt they basically authorise the assassination of Grievous eventually anyway during Episode III? They knew he wouldnt be able to be captured, so they'd have to kill him. Why bother condemning soemthing you'll just do later anyway?Sithlordsforever 21:23, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

droid
i know grievous hates being called a droid but we should list him as one. he is in TEGTD. i think he hates being called a droid because "droid" can also be a insult. (meaning a being who mindlessly obeys orders) Illogic armada 00:45, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * He was listed as a cyborg in the book. Its not the same thing. Zakor1138 01:17, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Almost Conflicting Origin stories?
Well I just watched the Clone Wars Episode in which the Jedi face Grievous in his Castle.

In the Episode, Grievous says he chose the modifications to his body. This is elaborated on by David Filoni, the series' director in the episode commentary.  Filoni says that George Lucas had his own ideas of where Grievous came from, and that Grievous always wanted to be a Jedi, and saw the modifications as a way to achieve this dream. However, Filoni also says he respects the EU and didn't want eliminate the "shuttle crash" story.

I'm just wondering if there is any way we can incorporate this into the article. Of course, Grievous saying he chose the enhancements might just be him covering up his resentment of his current form.

Thoughts? GrayFox814 04:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)GrayFox814
 * I would leave it until we get something more solid. Grievous could be in denial about what happened, or he could have been referring to additional enhancements he chose after getting his new body. Best to just wait and see. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 12:37, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, he throws out some candid references to Grievous' dislike of his body. He complains to Dooku about only having droids to lead. He lashes out verbally when the doc says he "submitted to the changes", and Fisto refers to the statues as a shrine to the warrior depicted, a gradually mechanized Grievous, that starts out 100% biological. VT-16 12:54, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Lucas, you're killig me.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 13:46, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * This further shows how Lucas is the one destroying Star Wars... Drewton  Era-old.png ( Drewton's Holocron ) 15:27, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't exactly think that kinda sorta -but not really- contradicting something that was pretty much only mentioned once in a magazine article is exactly "ruining" Star Wars.--Anderson 22:00, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

I understood it as being that after the crash, Grievous kept improving himself to try to be on par with the Jedi. It seems like these two canons can co-exist. Dr.Kermit ( The Doctor is in ) 00:57, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Anyone else think it might be one of the changes Dooku made to his brain during the transformation? If Grievous believes that he ended up as a cyborg willingly he will have less anger over it and be easier to motivate and control. Grievous might actually believe the statues depict how the transformation came about, but only because he was made to. It would make sense as an in universe explanation because the less Grievous thinks about the shuttle crash that damaged him the better it is for Dooku and the CIS because Grievous wont figure out what actually happened, and he wont be depressed and resentful about his current situation. - Decay

"What turns a thinking person to evil? (...) Sure, anyone can become an unhinged maniac after being forced to become a robot. But the key is that Grievous wasn't forced. "Eyes of Revolution" shows us that he chose to discard most of his body and become a killing machine, rather than choosing death. What could possibly be his motivation? What, as Jungian psychology calls it, was this killing machine's Fisher King wound? Well, I know of exactly two things that can make a person act absolutely crazy: religious fanaticism and true love." 83.7.71.206 19:27, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe he just had a self-esteem problem. Becoming a cyborg can do that to you. Rain Thalo 01:04, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Come on, people, he only said he choose them, we didn't see it happen. It's Star Wars, what people say is always true... from a certain point of view =) Mauser 16:52, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * He was offered, by San Hill, to be kept alive by becoming a cyborg - it was that, or die. He chose to allow them to change him in order to remain alive. I don't see how this is conflicting. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 16:56, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I found this on Pena's blog

cyborg vs driod
cant we just list him as both? unlike vader, lobat, and countless other guys there is barely any of him left. its the essential guide to droids after all. he is the droid commander. and also i think the real reason he hates being called a droid is becuze they always obey people like mindless slaves or drones, as a side note. Illogic armada 21:47, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * No, he's a cyborg. Sorry.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 23:45, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

A love for Gor
Should we mention Grievious'es potent pet? I believe so, specifically under personality and traits. I say this because when Grievious learned of Gor's death he showed anguish, anger, and remorse over its death. Attachment to pets is common enough, but I believe that in this case it lends insight into the mind of Grievious. That beneath his cold metallic exterior, lays the heart of an living extraterrestrial, one that is somewhat in need of companionship. Not much mind you, but some.Darth Dar Binks 05:17, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Droid
I'm just pointing out another contradiction of Grievous's character. In one of the new Clone Wars shows, when Grievous captures R2-D2, he says something like "Come in, we're all droids here!", and then he laughs. Doesn't this totally contradict who Grievous is? Just look at the main quote! Maxi6 ( Feel The Force! )
 * I think that this is irony - he laughs. He is not a droid, he hates them.ShaakTi1138 13:30, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

List
should there be a list that includes the Jedi he's slain? it would be pretty long.
 * There's no real need for one; we generally try to avoid using unnecessary lists. &mdash; CC7567 [ http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/5/5f/Rex.png/20px-Rex.png] (s)talk 02:16, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * There were such list once, but it was deleted. I agree, this is unnecessary, but there is such on German Wookieepedia, I presume. ShaakTi1138 07:45, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Ok, there's your list, here in part "Der Ritter-Mörder", but do not copy it here. There is no need. ShaakTi1138 07:51, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Influence?


Picture Info: This is most likely coincidental, as Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith was released long after the book.

I actually did not notice this when I read the book, but now that I've seen it here on the Droidfest page, it does look alot like him, including the cape, hunched body, and "head". Is it possible that the designers of Grievous were possible influenced by this design? Also, should we make a page for him? Dark Ridley 23:52, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Not unless a source states that there's any reason for that figure to be related to Grievous; if it's added, it would be speculation. CC7567  (talk) 23:56, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I know, this is speculation, but maybe this is another Kaleesh in cloak and mask. ShaakTi1138 12:02, 20 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well Grievous was treated like a deity after his death... maybe this is a Kaleesh worshiper of him? Should he get a page? Dark Ridley 16:34, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe, maybe, maybe. We... should go to the Kaleesh talk page and try to think about it there. ShaakTi1138 07:00, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

Language in Behind the Scenes
The part that talks about his cape does not use scholarly language and should be revised.

Also, the word griped should not be used when referencing to the fans dislike of the way Obi-Wan kills him. Herojoe 18:00, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Grievous coughing in clone wars?
Why Grievous is coughing in clone wars tv series? I thought that his coughing began when Mace Windu crushed his chest in Battle of Coruscant?
 * Please see Grievous. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 19:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

How old he was?
How old he was in the clone wars?
 * We don't know. Please, read the article carefully before asking such questions. And remember to sign with four tildes.ShaakTi1138 18:47, 23 June 2009 (UTC)