Wookieepedia:Comprehensive article nominations/Unidentified Rebel sergeant


 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a comprehensive article nomination that was successful. Please do not modify it.

Unidentified Rebel sergeant

 * Nominated by: NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 07:37, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: "The Marines have landed and have the situation well in hand!"

(3 ECs/3 Users/6 Total)
Support
 * 1) Nice work, though try to get the first edition to see if there is any more info. 501st Dogma Republic_emblem.png( Comlink ) 13:05, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) *There wouldn't be more info. It's just a "the quote was there." NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 17:33, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) He forgot to call them monkeys. Corellian PremierRobotech.jpg along the watchtower 17:07, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) Great quote. Hanzo Hasashi 00:44, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * 5)  Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 16:10, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * 6)  graestan ( talk ) 22:53, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * 7) Sorry for the delay. Finals call. :( ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 11:31, April 19, 2012 (UTC)

Object
 * The article refers to the sergeant as male, but the character is categorized as unidentified gender. Hanzo Hasashi 15:02, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 03:47, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think a bit of reorganization in the main part of the article might be in order. As it stands, we have two sentences on the historian before we know why it's pertinent information to the sergeant. Perhaps reword to say something like, "The historian Arhul Hexawhatever quoted the sergeant in a manual for the Alliance called blah blah blah..." and then give the background information. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 16:57, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * That better? NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 18:05, April 9, 2012 (UTC)

Comments
 * Crap. I noticed a mistake after I slapped on the tag, as is my custom. I don't know if he was mentioned in the first edition. If someone has it, please let me know. I'll try to find a copy on Monday. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 07:42, March 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * I can't find a copy of the first editon anywhere. Anyone know a Wookieepedian to ask about WEG books? NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 03:47, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Please remember that "this" (and, by extension, its plural form: "these") is not a past-tense term. Anyway, I'm ready to drop my vote on this as soon as you can get this figured out&mdash;I'd suggest asking in the Senate Hall. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 15:51, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * I bought the book online. It'll be here in a bit. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 16:03, April 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, everybody, his quote was in there. At 8 cents per word, this is my most expensive article yet. :) NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 16:06, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, I was apparently tired when I read that. "This" has no tense. It's grammatical. The sentence's tense depends on other words: "There once was a panther. This beast's hair was black." NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 16:26, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * I agree with you. I'm not sure when or how the hate for this and these got started 'round here. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 16:53, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * It traces back to some people having a preference for "A" at the start of unidentified articles. "'This' is past tense" was an argument invented to support "A" being the standard, and if that is true (it's not) then it follows that "this" can't be used in articles at all. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 16:57, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Is that a joke, Naru? Do you honestly believe there was a group of us who decided: "Ooh, let's change unidentified article intros from "This" to "A" even though there's no actual grammar rule!" because we just randomly decided to like "A" better? That's far and away one of the most ridiculous accusations I've heard in my time on this site (and this being the internet, I've seen my my fair share of silly accusations). I just went over "this" with Trayus here. From what I understand, it does have a tense because the term "this" fundamentally requires a reference to something that is here and now&mdash;if you point to "this" it must be something that is tangible in the present&mdash;it cannot be something of the past that is not present in the situation. Anyway, Trayus and I are both looking into it more to see what we can find out. If we can find proof of a grammar rule one way or the other, then I guarantee you this site will stick to it. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 17:20, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * It does not have to do with something that is here and now, though it can. By definition is a word that references something to be given context (A panther is a beast) or, if that context has already been given, it is a variant identifier (This beast's hair was black). Your prose can be whatever tense you want, but "this" doesn't affect it. Further, I didn't say "random" because I don't know exactly where the idea came from initially, only roughly when, and the first time I saw the tense argument was some time after that. If your reasoning given there was why the initiative started, then more people who wanted to change it should have been aware of that and should have been providing it as a reason. They were not. I didn't say the whole group decided that because they thought "A is better" because I know ther had to be multiple ones and I can recall off the top of my head the location of at least one proponent, Cal Jedi, citing that it looks better as a reason. That wasn't the only time I've heard that. Simmer down. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 18:12, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Getting off-topic here, so I've replied on your talk page. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 19:09, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Bob: I don't know how long it's been for others, but Tommy clued me in at least a couple years ago. And it's not "hate" for the words; with my understanding of grammar I just honestly think that "this" (and, by extension, it's plural form "these") cannot correctly be used in the simple past tense. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 17:23, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * FWIW, Naru, you are assuming too much again by saying that I gave a reason of that it "looks better." On that nomination, I was merely making a statement. I never said that you should change "this" simply because it "looks better."&mdash; Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 13:31, April 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * If I took what you said a step too far, sorry, but I intepereted that as a listed reason to stop using it. I didn't say that it was "simply because" of that or that it was your only reason. I did not think that for a second. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 18:39, April 6, 2012 (UTC)