Talk:Grievous/Archive7

Two conflicting sources
Are there there are two conflicting canon sources for this article?
 * For what? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:20, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * What happened at the second battle of coruscant acording to Clone Wars chapter 25, as opposed to Labyrinth of Evil's take of what happened.--Herbsewell 20:34, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * LoE is the more canon source. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:36, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Is the compromise made on the second battle of coruscant page canon?--Herbsewell 21:23, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it's canon only because it's a combination of two canon sources. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:16, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes but was this combination was made by "fans", or by an cannon source of some sort?--Herbsewell 00:11, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No, we had to do it because of the two different depictions of the battle. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * So this interpretation is not necessarily canon?--Herbsewell 00:42, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's canon because two canon sources have been combined. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:52, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * ...into a messy mush. Do you think we should use the "twoconflicting" template? .  .  .  .  00:54, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No. And "messy mush" is your opinion. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:55, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Do have a source for the claim that LoE is more canon that CW? Adamwankenobi 01:03, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * None of it's canon because the two stories cannot coexist, and because we made it, not a canon source.--Herbsewell 01:06, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Apart from the fact that LOE came first, no. The "twoconflicting" template really should be used here, since Lucasfilm haven't yet come up with a concrete timeline for that event. We've taken the liberty here of making up our own timeline, and that's not wise. .  .  .  .  01:07, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Shall the same be done for the Second battle of Coruscant?--Herbsewell 01:16, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. .  .  .  .  01:18, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * "None of it's canon because the two stories cannot coexist, and because we made it, not a canon source". Wrong. Two stories can very well co-exist. Besides, since we combined two canon sources to make up for a dispute between sources, the result is still canon. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:11, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Jack, you lost, the combination is not canon.--Herbsewell 18:51, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Notice how I specifically say that these stories cannot coexist. I simply mean to say that they both say different interpretations which cannot both be true at the same time, ergo they contradict each other.


 * Herbsewell, I did not lose. Combined, it's just as canon as each source is individually. Therefore, it is still canon. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:46, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No...combined it contradicts both canon interpretations at the same time. And that which contradicts canon is non-canon--Herbsewell 21:19, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Wrong. Combined, it reconciles the two conflicting sources. It's still canon. Stop disputing it. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:43, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Until officials make their own repairs to the continuity...we are in no position to do any "reconciling". .  .  .  .  00:46, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Others obviously disagree. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, if we're happy with supplanting fanon amongst our articles, I'm fine with that. .  .  .  .  00:49, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not fanon if it's the combination of two canon sources. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:51, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I know, but timeline wise...aren't we taking just a few too many liberties? .  .  .  .  00:53, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That may be, but it's better than having two disputing sources on the same event. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:55, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. But I still think it would be wise to keep the tag at the top of the page. .  .  .  .  00:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * If I didn't remove it by now, that shows I won't until it isn't needed. ;) Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:58, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Has this kind of template ever been removed?--Herbsewell 02:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't think so. I only just created it recently. .  .  .  .  05:03, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought it was new... Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:53, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well it means that unless some official source straightens this out, it never will be.--Herbsewell 15:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Then we make do with what we have. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Which is not cannon. Don't argue because the majority agree with me.--Herbsewell 20:18, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Just because you have "the majority" does not mean you are right. By combining two canon sources, the result is still canon. It may not be as high as each source separately, yes, but it's still canon. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:21, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Sigh. LOE is of a higher canon status than Clone Wars. Clone Wars is a stylized version of events. It's already been noted Mace didn't actually destroy all those droids on Dantooine. So any discrepancies (and I do mean full discrepancies, not things that can be worked around) defer to LOE - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 20:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, LoE is higher canon. I'd prefer that the Second Battle of Coruscant would just use the events in LoE and nothing from Clone Wars, but we can't just disregard every bit of information in the cartoon, hence the combination of information. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:27, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Jack, the combination you support does disregard some information from the Cartoon.--Herbsewell 20:46, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, because it's contradicted by higher canon. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok then, but the combination also disregards LoE's interpretation.--Herbsewell 20:49, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * How so? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:50, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I have to admit, the combination is pretty much aligned with the book, but Grievous's chest was never crushed.--Herbsewell 21:05, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I won't say this because it's been at least a year since I read the book.


 * Hyperspace Members, take a look at old Reversal of Fortune. It clears up a few of the discrepancies. .  .  .  .  21:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:21, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Could you email it to me somehow?--Herbsewell 01:35, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I don't think a comic can be emailed. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 02:44, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * And it's Hyperspace exclusive content. No-no. .  .  .  .  04:26, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Good point. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:32, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Until George stops trying to make a buck off everything to do with star wars, and I stop being cheap, could you describe what happened?--Herbsewell 16:05, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it shows the bunker where Corobb is killed by Grievous, and Shaak is shown tied up in the bunker where Grievous took Palpatine when Windu and Allie arrive. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:11, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Isn't that just the comic version of LoE?--Herbsewell 20:28, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No, because Shaak being tied up in that bunker appeared in Clone Wars only, I believe. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:30, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * So that goes against the book?--Herbsewell 20:40, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No. It's resolving the conflicting sources. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:44, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well the book says something different.--Herbsewell 20:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly, which is why it was meant to try to resolve the issue. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:47, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That's not what the Template says.--Herbsewell 20:51, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The template isn't canon, now is it? Stop it already. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:59, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Did I even hint that, (maybe in your mind)? If the argument is settled then it should be taken off.--Herbsewell 21:02, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You're the one who said these sources were conflicting in the first place. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:09, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Notice how I say if Jack. Since it's not, we don't.--Herbsewell 21:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Then why'd you even bother saying that? Now, since this has contributed nothing, let this post end it. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:11, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I tried to say that the comic did not resolve the issue. Jack if you want the last word it would be wise to not ask questions.--Herbsewell 21:13, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Then let this post end this completely pointless debate. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:15, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Jack it's pointless in your opinion. The point of this debate was to come to the conclusion that there were two conflicting sources.  If it were pointless the template would not have been added, and we would have not come to that conclusion.--Herbsewell 21:18, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Will you two please stop arguing? The debate itself isn't pointless, but you aren't being productive. Yes, there are discrepancies (though I believe only minor ones). Why don't we list what we think are conflicting elements of each source, and work from there? - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:19, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think they're all minor. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:21, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Then list them, Jack - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:22, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I haven't read the book in a while but I specifically remember Mace Windu not crushing Grievous' chest in LoE.  Sorry about the arguing.--Herbsewell 21:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * If you were apologizing to me as well, then I'm sorry as well. As for the discrepancies, I haven't read LoE or seen Clone Wars lately, but I do remember someone talking about a big issue on conflicting information a while ago. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:26, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I've got LoE here, and Mace learns from Shaak Ti that the shuttle is already heading for Invisible Hand. He's nowhere near it when it lifts off. However, I believe in this case, Mace crushing Grievous' chest has been referenced elsewhere - on the RotS DVD commentary, for one, so perhaps here, the cartoon takes precedence? - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:28, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you fit Mace and Yoda fighting droids in LoE?--Herbsewell 21:30, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure there's nothing conflicting with that. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:31, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it can fit...just about. Mace arrives at the Temple after learning of the attack in LoE, and I think there's a period between that and LoE's maglev train fight in which his cartoon fight could fit - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:32, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:33, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, Mace mentions during the opening stages of the Coruscant invasion that Obi-Wan and Anakin are currently on Tythe, so that confirms those two plot threads are happening at the same time - meaning Nelvaan occurs before. I think there may be space at some point in the middle of the book, where the Jedi are trying to track the maker of Gunray's mechno-chair - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:35, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * How bout Grievous breaking in and killing the guards?--Herbsewell 21:38, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * He smashes into Palpatine's apartment in LoE, but his office in CW. He still captures Palpatine in the bunker, and Mace notes many dead bodies in LoE - so I think that matches up OK. We follow Mace at this point, so we don't see Shaak's fight with the MagnaGuards, but there's room for it - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:44, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * How bout the Jedi that accompany her, Roron Corobb, Foul Moudama, and Roth-Del Masona?--Herbsewell 21:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Corobb and Moudama are present, and both die in the bunker. And I think Masona was killed in the Hand's hangar according to Unknown Soldier, not down on the ground - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:48, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't Clone Wars and LoE have diffrent interpretations on that?--Herbsewell 21:49, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, just checked Unknown Soldier, which says Masona was decapitated in the bunker. That fits, since LoE has an unnamed male Human fighting with Corobb and Moudama - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah but he's not even in the Cartoon.--Herbsewell 21:52, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * True, so LoE takes precedence there. The bunker fight itself isn't shown in LoE, though, so we could take CW's depiction of Corobb and Moudama's deaths from that - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:55, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * But it is shown, only that the three Jedi aren't there.--Herbsewell 21:57, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Wasn't Clone Wars based off an original version of LoE? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, why don't we just write a Labyrinth of Evil section, and a Clone Wars cartoon section and let the readers decide whatever they want to believe. I think the fact that Lucas even allowed this to happen shows that he honestly doesn't care that much about continuity outside of the movies. - lalala_la
 * Bad idea. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:44, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You obviously do not understand wookieepedia.--Herbsewell 19:15, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The wise, and practical thing to do would be to extract that whole part of the bio into BTS and explain the discrepancy. .  .  .  .  20:55, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Herbsewell, I've been here longer than you have, so don't think you can treat me like a new user. Having a Clone Wars and LoE section for that is OOU, and therefore not allowed in the main section of the article. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:15, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * See jack this is why I should have posted my comment right after lalala. I've done that before only to get your harsh criticism and correction.  Doing that would make it much easier for people to know when other people are responding to them.--Herbsewell 21:18, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Nebulax, could you leave the page for a bit to let things cool down? -- Riffsyphon1024 21:23, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Why me? And Herbsewell, you could have posted something like "Lalala la:" before your comment to avoid confusion. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:40, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Fine Jack, I apologize.--Herbsewell 21:46, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * And I apologize as well. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:47, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Has a decision been made?--Herbsewell 00:11, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I don't think so. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:50, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Is there any other possibility besides rewriting all sections from articles that come in conflict with LoE, or a higher canon source?--Herbsewell 03:36, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The only options I see are either have these sections tell the majority of the info from LoE with some Clone Wars info not contradicted by LoE, or we try to merge the information again. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:08, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * What do you mean by merge?--Herbsewell 12:42, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Making another combinition of the information from both sources. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:22, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah but the last one contradicted some canon.--Herbsewell 02:01, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Then we make a new one that doesn't. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:27, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes but in cases where they contradict will we use the LoE interpretation?--Herbsewell 21:45, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It depends upon what is being contradicted. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:31, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * May you give me an example?--Herbsewell 16:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I haven't read LoE or watched Clone Wars lately, so I can't. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:39, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Who has?--Herbsewell 00:35, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I can say that the Grievous having his chest Force-crushed by Mace Windu would still have happened, even if LoE doesn't show it. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 03:06, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No I specifically remember that not happening, as in Grievous left in a way that would not have permitted him to have his chest crushed in LoE.--Herbsewell 03:11, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The problem is, it happened in Clone Wars, meaning it did happen. LoE and Clone Wars are the same place on the canon level, so even if one thing happened in one but not in the other, it automatically happened. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 03:15, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Jack something that happened and something that did not happen is the same thing. So technically it happened and did not happen which is why we have this template.--Herbsewell 03:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The fact that one sources says it happened overrides the other source that says it doesn't happen. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 03:26, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * From what source?--Herbsewell 03:27, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Clone Wars shows it happened. Therefore, it did. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 03:29, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * LoE says it didn't happen, therefore they contradict, therefore the topic is unresolved.--Herbsewell 03:33, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Apparently you haven't been listening to me. Because one source said it did happen, it did happen. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:10, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh I have. Because one source said it did'nt happen there's a contradiction.  Get someone who's better at debating who sides with you and I'll say something.  And jack if you're so sure what happened, remove the templates and type the canon interpretation according to you.--Herbsewell 14:33, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's bad enough you said something like that on Talk:Asajj Ventress. Don't start it here as well. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:34, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well most people, (all except you actually) side with me and that's why the template is still up there. You don't like it, complain on a forum.--Herbsewell 14:37, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * All except me? Sorry, it's only been us two lately. How about this: Neither of us post until there's a good reason to. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Who put the template up jack?--Herbsewell 14:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Stop trying to get the last word. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:45, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Some ego you have jack. Here I am, trying to answer your questions that advertise your ignorance and then you accuse me of this?  I could care less about the last word.--Herbsewell 14:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Trying to answer my questions? What questions? And you're the one who's becoming one step closer to personal attacks. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:50, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You're right not questions, just settling somethings. You're just upset at how the disscusion is going.--Herbsewell 14:55, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I'm upset over the fact that the discussion turned out to be a debate between you and me. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:56, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * And you can always stop posting comments.--Herbsewell 14:58, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll say one more thing, and then I'm done: You could stop posting, too. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:59, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah but I'm not making such a big deal about it.--Herbsewell 15:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hows about you both stop. .  .  .  .  21:41, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's been two days. Don't you think we already have?--Herbsewell 21:44, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Elaboration: Hows about you both stop arguing like a coupla kids, and, hey, stop me if I'm repeating myself, but actually try and back up your petty squabbles with something resembling evidence. Take this, for example: check out the RotS DVD commentry, which I'm fairly sure confirms the source of Grievous' cough is Clone Wars, thus making the event canon. M'kay? And yeah, two days, right, except I was under the impression this discussion ended ages ago...y'know, the last time I tried to get you guys to clam up about it - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:46, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, whose elaboration was that meant to be? Yours, Kwenn? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:49, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Clarification: Yup, because I said it. Elaboration of Fourdot's post - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess I should have worded "Yours, Kwenn?" a little differently. That post was just... Odd. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Why did you even bring it up. That was more than two days ago?--Herbsewell 21:55, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Because it looked unresolved. And your question marks have gone awry. .  .  .  .  21:56, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Unresolved? Can't you assume that if an issue has been left alone for more than 48 hours that it's been resolved?--Herbsewell 21:59, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Not in this neighbourhood. .  .  .  .  22:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the fact that discussion turned into something not suited for this talk page (which, surprisingly, is happening again, although Herbsewell and I are on the same side now) is the reason the topic was ended. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 02:20, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think it should be ended, just set on a course where we aren't squabbling on some insignificant issue totally unrelated to the original one.--Herbsewell 13:14, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, do we have anything to discussion about this topic right now? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)