Forum:SH Archive/Project Hutts: Wookieepedia's Sixth Barn-Burner!

It's time for Barn-burner 6! This time around, we're here to promote articles related to Hutts, whether it's about a particular Hutt, someone who worked for Hutt, Hutt Space, or an organization run by Hutts. Anybody who knows how to breathe is welcome to participate, so join in and write Huttever you want!

Purpose and Overview
Barn-burners are a community-wide effort to bring articles that relate to a chosen topic to CA GA and FA status. This time we're doing Hutts, so you can write about Hutts themselves, Hutt slaves, Hutt employees, Hutt related organizations, Hutt ruled locations, planets or species in Hutt space, or anything else you can think of to do with the Hutts! Let's see if we can top the success of a previous Barn-burners. Good writing.

Hutts

 * Jabba Desilijic Tiure
 * Ziro Desilijic Tiure
 * Rotta
 * Beldorion
 * Oruba
 * Gardulla Besadii the Elder
 * Suudaa Nem'ro
 * Soergg Vosadii Bezhin
 * Jool
 * Churabba
 * Kossak Inijic Ar'durv
 * Ebor
 * Jemba
 * Grelb
 * Glorga
 * Morbo
 * Vogga
 * Ajuur

Hutt employees (or otherwise affiliated with Hutts)

 * Bib Fortuna
 * Salacious B. Crumb
 * Max Rebo
 * Sy Snootles
 * Oola
 * Ephant Mon
 * Tibor
 * Jabba's rancor
 * Adela Tyché
 * Kol Kotha
 * Yuthura Ban
 * Ghitsa Dogder

Hutt Locations

 * Jabba's Palace
 * Sleheyron
 * Nal Hutta
 * Nar Shaddaa
 * Ziro's Palace
 * Varl
 * Hutt Space

Hutt organizations

 * Hutt Cartel
 * Hutt Grand Council
 * Jabba Desilijic Tiure's criminal empire
 * Nal Raka Criminal Empire
 * Desilijic
 * Hutt Empire

Hutt Space species

 * See Forum:Hutt Space species

Hutt-focused real world articles

 * Tales from Jabba's Palace
 * The Long Arm of the Hutt

Sign-ups
Tell us what articles you'll be working on:


 * Boorka
 * Boorka's Palace
 * Bogeega Bu'Daay
 * Mos Osnoe
 * Recapture of Tatooine (Hunt for the Decimator)
 * Duurga
 * Duuurga


 * Embra


 * Affavan
 * Alee
 * Aylayl
 * B-Foroon
 * Dirha
 * Diyu
 * Esyam
 * The Godsheart
 * Gos Hutta system
 * Groth
 * Ilos
 * Ilos Minor
 * Jilrua
 * Kafane
 * M'Hanna
 * Nal Yeshu
 * Rorak 4
 * Sakifwanna
 * Saqqar
 * Tisht
 * Tol Amn
 * Unagin
 * Unidentified orbital station
 * Usk (planet)
 * Xolu
 * Zisia


 * Ib-Dunn
 * Kidnapping of Barriss Offee
 * Mission to Ansion
 * Second skirmish in Cuipernam


 * Krova
 * Malakili
 * Nar Shaddaa wind chimes
 * Unidentified Tatooinian alphabet


 * Circumtore
 * Progga }
 * Nullada
 * Shettora
 * Shettora's criminal faction
 * Boz
 * Progga's starship


 * Ganathan
 * Kintan crusher
 * Skup


 * Yahk-Tosh
 * Vippit
 * Riileb
 * Ilosian
 * Langoonan
 * Tal Nami
 * Moralan
 * Tsyklen
 * Unidentified Usk species


 * Unidentified Hutt
 * Suudaa Nem'ro's disease
 * Voromuzz
 * Voromuzz's estate
 * Budhila Hestilic Amura
 * Ten-Hour Carnage
 * Glorious Convocation of Profiteers
 * Barabbula
 * Various other Hutt articles from the Codex Project


 * Mika Anjiliac Chiera


 * Nar Kreeta system


 * Ajuur
 * Motta
 * Zax


 * I hate to make any commitments but I'll consider Tales from Jabba's Palace or maybe one of the short stories.


 * Probably something from Galactic Battlegrounds, but who knows? But finals and stuff, so it'll have to wait a bit. :P
 * Jedi Rocks
 * Skirmish on Tatooine (Hunt for the Decimator)


 * Sarn Shild
 * Zodoh


 * Yoxgit


 * Marlo (Hutt)
 * Arok
 * Oruba


 * Wolga

Current Nominations
Whenever you nominate an article related to the project, please enter the information in the table below so that we can keep track of it. Please also remember to review other's nominations so that we can bring as many articles to status as possible.

Promoted articles
After a Hutt-related article passes during the Barn-burner please add it to the corresponding box below.

Source requests
Request information from sources you don't have access to here:
 * Could anyone with Rebel Dawn do me the huge favour of looking up the page number of the page which Langoona and Langoonan death masks are mentioned on? It's just before the fight between Durga Besadii Tai and Jiliac Desilijic Tiron. Ayrehead02 (talk) 16:39, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * I usually just use chapter numbers for novels. They come out in so many different variants (hard back, soft back, Science Fiction Book Club edition, UK edition, etc.) that precise page numbers are often not very helpful. In this case, the action is in Chapter 11. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 19:01, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I'll add the reference. Ayrehead02 (talk) 20:18, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * I've requested this in the Senate Hall, but would anyone happen to have a copy of Aurra Sing: Dawn of the Bounty Hunters? If so, could you see what information pertains to Circumtore? Thanks a lot, 501st  dogma ( talk ) 20:52, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Never mind, a helpful anon got it for me. :) 501st  dogma ( talk ) 22:15, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Can anyone who owns Secrets of Tatooine tell me anything they know about Boorka's possible appearance? Thanks.  Commander Code-8  G'day, mate 06:51, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * I do not think that there is anything in there that could count as a confirmed appearance or source, but it does mention the following on page 31 (The Old Republic era is referring to the Rise of the Empire era): "In the Old Republic era, Tatooine is ruled by a group of five Hutts, each one representing an influential Hutt clan: the Besadii, the Nasirii, the Faljozic, the Jahibakti, and the Desilijic." On page 34, in Jabba's entry it also mentions that: "Jabba was soon the only Hutt with any power for a hundred light years." So there are some vague references, but it is hard to tell if any of these refer to Boorka, since Boorka was not created until 2002, with the book being released in 2001. Might be enough for a BTS note though.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  14:14, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks EJ. I don't even think there's enough for a Bts note. I'll probably just leave it.  Commander Code-8  You lost the game! 22:22, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Could someone with Unifying Force give me the skinny on Embra's appearance? I have a lot of source requests for this one, but let's start with that one.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 09:32, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * He's present at a meeting on Ralroost in it's briefing center where Traest Kre'fey shows a hologram of Vong-formed Coruscant to several hundred Alliance officers. He's in the front row center and after seeing the hologram states "You undermine your own argument for attacking Coruscant," "Clearly the planet is beyond restoration. From what we have been given to understand, the Yuuzhan Vong even managed to alter the orbit and rotation." Several other officers agree with him saying that Coruscant isn't worth wasting resources on since the New Republic senate didn't help many planets during the war recalling the fleet instead. He isn't mentioned again at the briefing but various officers continue to discuss if they should attack Coruscant or not and then discuss the Vong attack on Mon Calamari and Yammosks. I can give a more detailed account of the whole meeting if you want. It also states he is head of the Sisar runners, a resistance group. Ayrehead02 (talk) 12:58, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Could someone check the following sources for anything on Yoxgit?
 * Star Wars: The Ultimate Action Figure Collection
 * Star Wars Character Encyclopedia
 * Star Wars: Behind the Magic
 * Star Wars: Chronicles
 * Having some people check the adaptations of Episodes V and VI for images of him would be appreciated as well.
 * Thanks in advance for any help.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  13:49, May 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Can anyone check The Clone Wars Campaign Guide to see what it has on Boorka?  Commander Code-8  G'day, mate 10:18, May 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * He's mentioned in the Galactic Gazetteer in the update for Tatooine. It states "Boorka the Hutt, seeking to remove the Republic from Tatooine, negotiates a pact with the Confedracy in exchange for the destruction of the fledgeling Republic spaceport. The Confederacy forces, led by Sev'rance Tann, destroy the spaceport and wipe out the small Republic Force occupying it. Jabba the Hutt, Boorka's competitor on Tatooine is incensed by Boorka's cooperation with the Separatists. He betrays Boorka to the Jedi, who kill Boorka and root out the Separatist forces on Tatooine. Despite his loud objections, Jabba's interest in seeing Boorka fall are not entirely altruistic; the Hutt crime lord is playing one side against the other, taking a dangerous competitor out of the picture while continuing to supply Cortosis ore to the Techno Union." Ayrehead02 (talk) 20:16, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, confirmation of death! thanks man.  Commander Code-8  G'day, mate 11:22, June 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * He's mentioned in the Galactic Gazetteer in the update for Tatooine. It states "Boorka the Hutt, seeking to remove the Republic from Tatooine, negotiates a pact with the Confedracy in exchange for the destruction of the fledgeling Republic spaceport. The Confederacy forces, led by Sev'rance Tann, destroy the spaceport and wipe out the small Republic Force occupying it. Jabba the Hutt, Boorka's competitor on Tatooine is incensed by Boorka's cooperation with the Separatists. He betrays Boorka to the Jedi, who kill Boorka and root out the Separatist forces on Tatooine. Despite his loud objections, Jabba's interest in seeing Boorka fall are not entirely altruistic; the Hutt crime lord is playing one side against the other, taking a dangerous competitor out of the picture while continuing to supply Cortosis ore to the Techno Union." Ayrehead02 (talk) 20:16, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, confirmation of death! thanks man.  Commander Code-8  G'day, mate 11:22, June 3, 2013 (UTC)

General discussion
Discussion about the barn-burner:

Template
Here's the talk page tag, how is it?  Commander Code-8  G'day, mate 06:16, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks good! Might want to either lighten the green a few shades or use a lighter-colored font, since it's hard to read. But I think it's bombad. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 12:12, April 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Any better now?  Commander Code-8  G'day, mate 06:59, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * The blue links against that shade of green are painful. I suggest lightening the green, or choosing a muted shade.  Vibrant on vibrant tends to clash.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 07:25, April 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Third time lucky?  Commander Code-8  G'day, mate 01:36, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Getting there. That shade is a bit glaring, so I suggest a more muted shade of green.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 06:19, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * I concur. Something about that shade of lightness, but desaturated quite a few hues. What about #669933 or #669966? ~ Savage BOB sig.png 11:08, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * I dropped in the first color value as a test and it looked a lot more Hutt-like, so I changed the colors and saved the template. Much easier to read now.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 04:53, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it looks good, but as you can see by my previous attempts I'm no proffessional at this. Sorry I didn't get around to it yesterday, homework's been stacking up on me.  Commander Code-8  G'day, mate 07:56, April 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not a coding genius, either. I just change values and hit "Preview." :P  Trak Nar  Ramble on 08:09, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

Atlas maps
Going through the the noms so far which are almost entirely Atlas based I noticed an inconsistency between me and Imperators II's articles in that when we reference the maps in the atlas as showing the earliest or latest year in which an event is known to of taken place by I use the date given for the start of the period the map covers and he gives the end date. This is mostly based on the Origins of the Jedi map which we've been using to state the earliest point that planets are considered to be within Hutt Space and covers the period 25,000 BBY to 22,000 BBY. In my articles I've put that 25,000 BBY is therefore the earliest planets are known to be within Hutt Space but Imperators puts 22,000 BBY. The error is most likely mine but which is the better date to use in such cases? Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:54, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with your interpretation: the maps should be taken to represent the whole period covered, not just the end of it. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 16:18, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * But what if the planet became part of Hutt Space in, for example, 23,374 BBY? Saying 25,000 BBY is therefore incorrect. Unless I'm missing something (and not having the Atlas in front of me I very well might be missing something), we can only say that it was in Hutt Space "by 22,000 BBY". &mdash;MJ&mdash; Training Room 18:24, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think if that interpretation were correct, the map would read something like, "The Dawn of the Republic, 22,000 BBY" and represent only that year. But I think the idea is that the map is supposed to suffice for that entire span, not just the end of it. The exception is for maps of wars that indicate movements and battles with specific dates. But lacking such information, it seems more logical to assume that the map represents the entire period, not just the last year of it. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 13:50, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * As I said, I don't have access to the Atlas, so I'm not familiar with the situation. If you guys that are more familiar with it think it can represent the whole period, then go right ahead. :) &mdash;MJ&mdash; Training Room 17:41, April 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * The map on page 219 called "Collapse of the Core" states in the key that the yellow systems are ones controlled by the Vong at the start of the period that the map shows. This suggests to me that even if the maps don't represent the whole period they're more likely to represent the start date than the end. Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:14, April 26, 2013 (UTC)

"Advertising"
MJ, do you want to put up a message in the community messages about the barn burner again? Tomorrow would be godd since it actually starts then.  Commander Code-8  G'day, mate 22:30, April 29, 2013 (UTC)


 * Sure, but I'm not really in a creative mood, so some suggested wording would be great. :) &mdash;MJ&mdash; Comlink 23:29, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * How's this: Barn-burner 6 is on! Write Huttever you want! Read more.-- Commander Code-8  G'day, mate 08:37, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * lol. Fe Nite (talk) 14:16, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * How's that? &mdash;MJ&mdash; Comlink 18:58, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Great!  Commander Code-8  G'day, mate 22:27, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

Yoxgit
Would Yoxgit be a valid article for the barnburner?-- Exiled Jedi   (Greetings)  23:36, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Certainly he's an employee of the mighty Jabba. Ayrehead02 (talk) 23:39, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * All right then, thanks!-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  23:42, April 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, I've got a few questions about Yoxgit. Since the retcon putting Yoxgit in Episode V there are two slightly different appearances for Yoxgit: This one and this one. There have been two action figures that look like the Yoxgit from Episode V. Can I say that these figures count as sources for Yoxgit? Also, there is a figure of an Ugnaught from the carbon freezing room in Episode V with a packaging image that looks more like his appearance from Epsiode VI except with a gray jumpsuit. Can I say that this is Yoxgit? Lastly, in Episode V, there are Ugnaughts with a similar appearance as the Episode V Yoxgit in the scrap room with Chewbacca and in the carbon freezing room. Can I say that these are Yoxgit? I'm leaning towards saying that all of these count, but I am unsure. Any thoughts?-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  04:28, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * There is also the guy to the right here who kind of looks like him.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  04:34, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Are you trying to say that all Ugnaughts look alike to you? ;P I think it's safe to assume that only a few Ugnaught masks were made for Episode V, and that one of these perhaps got reused for Episode VI. Since we have explicit confirmation that those two Ugnaughts in those two uniforms are Yoxgit (one in V, one in VI), I'd say that only those masks with those uniforms should be considered Yoxgit. That would mean that photos of those two Ugnaughts would count, as would any action figures. The other Ugnaughts that maybe use the same mask should perhaps be mentioned in the BTS, but not listed as appearances or sources for Yoxgit himself. Say that it is unclear whether they are Yoxgit or not, thus avoiding the assumption in the Appearances and Sources lists. Does that make sense? ~ Savage BOB sig.png 14:53, April 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, thanks for the input Bob.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  18:04, April 30, 2013 (UTC)

Category confusion

 * There seems to be a category called "species of Hutt Space" and another called "Hutt Space species" which need to be merged. I would of added the merge template to the pages but I don't know how to use the no-wiki template.Could someone merge them please? Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:08, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, one of those is for sentient species (Category:Hutt Space species), while the other one is for non-sentient species (Category:Species of Hutt Space). Both are correctly nested within the larger categorization trees for sentients and non-sentients. This points to a flaw in our categorization system in general, I think, and may need a larger SH or CT to address... ~ Savage BOB sig.png 15:54, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah I see. Where do species of undefined sentience or semi-sentience go then? Also should species by location categories like (Category:Species of Riileb) be placed in either of them or neither? Ayrehead02 (talk) 16:02, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

Tuskbeast pikes

 * Me and Exiled Jedi are having trouble working out if we can assume that Tuskbeast pikes are actual weapons just based on their name. The text in the source states simply "Nikto warriors chiseled dialogue from Evocar on their tuskbeast pikes". While it most likely is meant to be a type of weapon I'm not sure were given enough to information to say it without speculating. Ayrehead02 (talk) 19:40, June 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it's fairly safe to assume, I mean if they were called Tuskbeast sword or Tuskbeast crossbow we'd be pretty thick to not say they were weapons. I reckon you'd be fine to call them weapons.  Commander Code-8  G'day, mate 07:42, June 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Fair enough I've changed the article, thanks for the input! Ayrehead02 (talk) 11:36, June 6, 2013 (UTC)

Real-World Products Featuring Hutts?

 * Does this barn-burner also cover articles about real-world products featuring Hutts? For instance, The Long Arm of the Hutt could use some improvement and it is definitely about Hutts, even though it isn't an in-universe article. -Thunderforge (talk) 05:13, June 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Go for it! Toby Philpott is in the already FA'd list above; he was one of the main puppeteers for Jabba in episode 6.  Commander Code-8  You lost the game! 08:23, June 18, 2013 (UTC)