Talk:Luke Skywalker/Legends

See also Talk:Luke Skywalker/Archive.

Duel with Reborn Emperor
Should it be noted that when Luke has a lightsaber battle with the reborn Emperor that Leia was using her force power to give him strength? In the panels in the comic, it shows her directly behind Luke and the Emperor with a glow around her. When Luke asks her to join force auras she says," I already am, Luke. Haven't you sensed it?" I think she influenced his winning. Also, could this be Battle Meditation? --Jedimasterbob 00:18, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * That is not true, because Leia was trying to get through Luke's mind, to minimalize the dark side voices clouding Luke's mind. As a result of that, Luke was able to fully resist the pull of the dark side, and tells the Emperor that his shroud of evil has been lifted, due to Leia's efforts as well as his own struggle. Also, this is further explained in the audio drama - Leia was a pure spectator, and it is said that during the battle, Luke and the Emperor were moving so fast, Leia could hardly even see them, and could only feel waves of power emanating from them. However, it is likely that both Luke and Leia know battle meditation. When Luke and Kam explores artifacts in DE 2, they encounter the book on battle meditation, which Kam was unable to read but Luke was, and he promised himself to study that, as well as all the other books, which he probably completed in a few years.


 * No, I to think leia and her unborn child transmitted their own force into Luke so he could be powerful enough to defeat Sidious. If you read Dark Empire, you see that Luke and Palpatine dueled with lightsabers before they met Leia. They dueled in the cloning lab while Luke was trying rebel against the dark side. And Palpatine pawned Luke. So, even though Luke was a great Jedi, even his skills alone weren't enough to defeat Sidious'. And tats been proven when he engaged Sids in combat, got pawned and was forced to bow down and become and Sids apprentice once again.


 * No, you are wrong. Luke lost the first duel because he was trying to use the dark side against the Emperor, which the Emperor skillfully turned to his own advantage, manipulating him. The second duel has been a one on one duel with Luke and the Emperor, this time Luke freed from the Emperor's manipulations and the dark side's seduction, and using the light side alone, and defeated the dark side. I have already provided proof as to how Leia or the unborn child had [b]absolutely nothing[/b] to do with their second duel. Their previous battle has absolutely nothing to do with their final duel, because this was the clear minded Luke vs the Emperor.


 * Okay, you've convinced me that Luke couldn't defeat the emperor the first time because he was using the dark side. I agree that Leia cleared his head before the duel, although credit should be given to her for rescuing him.  Does the audio drama actually say she was just spectating?  It's not clear at what point she joined her force power to him.  If it was during the battle, it may not be battle meditation, but it could have helped.  I'm not going to change anything right now, though.  Thanks for the info on their battle meditation, and please sign your posts.  --Jedimasterbob 16:27, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Alright put it this way, the emperor was one of the best fighters in the galaxy. And without the help of Leia, Luke couldnt have defeated the emperor. He wouldve fell to the dark side and become Sids new apprentice. Only the Skywalker TWINS can defeat Sids in combat. Seperated Luke and leia are screwed, and that is shown in when alone the engaged the emperor and lost. But together, the have enough power to beat him.
 * Not neccarily. Anakin (whole) and Luke Skywalker had 2 times the force power and Palps.  -Finlayson 16:01, 2 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, but Luke does not have the training that Palpatine does, especially at the time Dark Empire occurs. He still has much to learn. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 16:06, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Leia only used Battle meditation once in Empire's End, and no record exists that suggest Luke ever learn or use Battle meditation. 2) I, too, have read the script of the audio version (available on theforce.net, actually). No hard evidence in either the comic or the audio version shows that Leia was actively helping Luke through the Force when Luke engaged Palpatine in the lightsaber duel. 3) I agree that Luke had a better chance winning Palpatine when he use pure light instead of applying dark stuff. About training and experience: well, Obi-Wan killed Maul, a more experienced Juyo practitioner; and Anakin defeated Dooku, the Makashi master who had 60 more years of experience in lightsaber combat than Ani. Darth Kevinmhk 16:34, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Is he the best
Luke has surpassed the srtongest of foes the galaxy has to offer like the emperor. Also he became the grandmaster quicker than yoda did. So is luke the greatest jedi to have lived?
 * Luke became a grand master faster because he declared himself Grand Master - and because given how little manpower the NJO had, no one else can match him. Plus, Luke was already de facto Grand Master for years. And he is the only one who receive his knowledge from OJO master in 1-to-1 learning method - and the teacher is Yoda! Not to mention his midi-chlorian rich Skywalker blood! Luke has so many advantage which others have not. Darth Kevinmhk 02:15, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

In one of the New Jedi Order books, Kyp Durron mentions that he is more powerful in the force than Luke. Is this true??? LordRevan
 * It was probably just boasting. --  Doo Doo  talk [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|22px]] 02:21, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it was mentioned in the Jedi Academy trilogy that Kyp Duron had more Force potential than Luke however in the NJO books Luke has much greater control of the Force than Kyp so Luke is stronger.Grunny 03:34, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
 * LordRevan, Aaron Allstons website's FAQ said this was purely from Kyps point of view. Kyp thinks hes stronger in the force than Luke.

Okay, thank you guys for the clarification. LordRevan 01:07, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Just FYI, in an interview with Vanity fair as well as during the new DVD commentary, George Lucas states that Luke possessed the same raw power/potential of Anakin Skywalker, which is why both Darth Vader and the Emperor wanted Luke to be their own apprentice. Anakin Skywalker's potential is as high as it gets, and Lucas himself has measured it to be 200% more powerful than the Emperor. He notes that while Anakin lost a lot of that potential, and reverted to being around 80% as powerful as the Emperor, Luke represented all of it. By what we have seen as well as from the words of George Lucas himself, we could certainly conclude that Luke Skywalker is the most powerful force user that has ever lived, or would ever live, since he represents what Anakin Skywalker would've been, had he not become more machine than man.

Kyp was just chatting rubbish...No one is as strong in the force as Luke or Leia because they appearantly have the same count as Anakin...who the NES states to be the strongest being in the force in the history of the galaxy...sooo with that said...no one can equal their amount of midichlorians by natural birth except u are born of the force or u descend from someone born of the force itself...Luke is by far the most powerful Jedi in his time and probably would have been a contender for the most powerful if he was in the old order, Kyp is incredibly strong in the force...BUT he cannot compare to Luke...no one can...with Luke's little amount of training and self tutoring he has become the most powerful jedi and displays feats even Mace Windu would bow down 2....Luke is what Anakin could have been...Luke is a demi god..Kyp is nothing..Jibers 23:25, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I think Kyp says this because he believes Luke is limiting his own power by not drawing on the dark side, which Kyp still flirts with. Cortle Steeze 17:35, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Where is it stated Anakin and Luke have the same potential? Which DVD? What issue of Vanity Fair? User:Lightsnake

Lukes ultimate duel
If luke and yoda were to clash it would be the greatest duel. The question is who will win? Luke has power and control unlike yoda, but yoda has experience and all lightsaber combat knowledge. In the end who would win?

LUKE DUH

I would say an ultimate duel would be a duel between Luke and Revan. Don't you agree. LordRevan 01:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Revan is nothing compared to Darth Vader!

Yoda has more control than Luke what are you saying....Luke has to use Darkside abilities like electric judgement Yoda does not rely on the darkside...Luke sometimes goes dark....Yoda would win no matter how powerful Luke has become...Power means nothing compared to experience, as Obi Wan taught Darth Vader ( Vader was stronger but Obi was more experienced.....and in this case it is the perfect example...Yoda has 800+ experience while Luke barely scrapes 30+...If Luke used Darkside powers he could win...but if they both relied on the lightside the Luke would Lose because Yoda is the ultimate lightsider...Jibers 23:32, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. Although Luke is probably the most powerful force user ever, Yoda has tremendous experience that gains him an even footing.

Vong Kills?
the talents section...it says he killed thosands of vong, hundreds in the battle of Coruscant alone? do we really think this many? Jedi Dude 20:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * 1) Luke's abilities with a lightsaber and the Force allow him to prevail over thousands of Yuuzhan Vong warriors, along with other enemies. Luke defeated Supreme Overlord Shimrra Jamaane, who on his own could kill many Jedi.
 * 2) After defeating hundreds of Yuuzhan Vong warriors Luke defeated more than five Slayers; while Kyp Durron, one of the most powerful Jedi of his time, could not best even one Slayer.
 * 3) Luke mows through the elite guard of the Supreme Overload to reach him. Later Luke thought that he could have gone even further by drawing power from the Force. Jacen and Jaina, by this time the elites of the Jedi Knights, could not track Luke.
 * all of this i think could od with some better wording? Jacen and Jaina were the elites? Jedi Dude 21:39, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Prevail doesnt equal to Kill, and the article used defeat hundreds, not kill thousands; elites are not THE best, apart from Luke's first class of masters, the Solos were right behind. (Actually, my reading havn't reach Unifying Force yet) Darth Kevinmhk 02:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * the way prevail is said here it is impying he killed, specially since the vong never surrended. Jacen and jaina wre elites though, it just doesn't seem the right way to put it. Jedi Dude 14:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Recently rewrote to be better NPOV. Darth Kevinmhk 06:03, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * much better thanks Jedi Dude 11:53, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Death
Uh... when did he died?, since a child, i waited for his death, he has been alive for too much time, and then i find out he also appears in a bunch of novels and comics, DID HE DIED? When? How? --Clone Paratrooper 17:03, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Prior to the Star Wars: Legacy comics, along with our other classic heroes. No one knows how, though - Kwenn 17:13, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * and it will proberly reamin that way, because if he is never stated to of died then there will always be that mystique and a potentiol book about his death when the star wars franchise runs out Jedi Dude 17:20, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I hope he dies, i mean: He's been alive for 5 eras, it's just to much. --Clone Paratrooper 19:10, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No it's not. How do we know that he even dies? There is no canon source for this. 24.158.73.178 14:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * yes, legacy its easy to see with Kol in charge that Luke is gone, he can't live forever :P. and no its not to much, no wsay near. Jedi Dude 14:54, 24 July 2006 (UTC) 5 eras? what do you mean? The skywalker epoch hasn't even gone through three eras (clone wars, new republic) yet alone 5! Jedi Dude 14:54, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, luke lived for 5 eras: Rise of the empire era, Rebellion era, New Republic era, New jedi order era, and, according to the article: Legacy era. --Clone Paratrooper 10:54, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * there not complete eras though surely? If so my mistkae, byt the skywalker line like the solo one will continue to go on. Jedi Dude 11:12, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I dont see the Solo line exists in 137 ABY yet. Darth Kevinmhk 11:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * He can't live for about a 100 years right? He is not Yoda... Darth Sauron 16:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * actually if you have read betryel you know he can, human age has gone up, they can now live to around 120 (medical advances etc) so yes Luke could live that long WITHOUT the force, with the force maybe even longer Jedi Dude 11:51, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Wow, so maybe he never died or will die...i bet they will release a book about his death, maybe it will be called "Return of The Sith"? there's no fanfic about that, right? --Clone Paratrooper 16:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Correction regarding human age - normal humans live upto 120 years, but those strong in the force has a lifespan of [b]at least[/b] twice that long. This is explicitly stated in the SWRC rulebook, which is officially stated as on the same canon level as all the novels. In addition, there are already examples of human beings who lived over 300 years long (Vima da Boda, Mother Rell etc.).


 * Didn't he live through 4 because shortly before he was born Palpatine reorganized the Republic into the Galactic Empire? Dumac 04:28, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It is possible that he simply merges with the force and doesnt actually die. Honestly I wouldnt be surprised. Personally I think Luke is a swell dude, I mean with all he went through he still has some form of humanity left in him.

Married Status
In this entry, it states the fact that Luke married Mara Jade. However, shouldn't there be some mention of the fact that, in the Old Jedi Order, Jedi were NOT allowed to marry or even fall in love?? This entry does not discuss that matter at all, and merely talks about Luke's search for and eventual discovery of a mate as if it's not big deal or breach of Jedi code.
 * Since the Old Order is extinct, and Luke has no idea what their rules were, it isn't a big deal. Who's going to stop him? QuentinGeorge 08:15, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The spirit of Obi Wan Kenobi?-Anakin Skywalker 1 02:54, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Those moral conflict better suits the New Jedi Order article as part of the difference against the Old Order. Darth Kevinmhk 11:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's a New Jedi Order. Besides the Old Jedi Order only banned marriage later on, I beleive.  -Finlayson 16:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, following Order 66, Yoda appears to have rethought his views on attachment, thanks to his chats with Qui-Gon. Note he allows the "last two" Jedi in the galaxy to grow up in the company of loving families, not Jedi such as himself or Obi-Wan, so perhaps this new thinking is something Luke picked up on - Kwenn 20:50, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

"My grandfather was married to my grandmother." "Yes, but Corellian Jedi are... well... Corellian."

- Corran Horn and Skywalker

That's not the only example of marriage, though... Andur Sunrider was married to Nomi, and Ki-Adi Mundi had multiple wives. Cortle Steeze 09:08, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Mara says in Betrayal that the Old Jedi Order may have been right to discourage marriage, or else the Jedi would be worrying about their kids too much. C3PO the Dragon Slayer 00:49, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I Don’t Agree With People Who Think That They Shouldn’t Have Gotten Married Simple Because The Old Jedi Ways Say That The Jedi Should Not Love. To Deny Such Feelings As Love Or Any Type Of Feelings Is Completely Illogical. They Are Apart Of Us And Are Inescapable. Human Beings And Even Alien Beings Must Deal With These Types Of Emotions Everyday To The Day They Die. For Someone To Simply Deny And Try To Erase Any Emotions Only Increases Them To Come Out In Unexpected And Uncontrollable Ways.
 * They Only Answer To The Jedi To Deny Nearly All Emotions They Would Have To Be Like The Vulcans From The Star Trek Universe. An Alien Race Who Suppresses All Emotions And Use Only Reason and Logical To Govern. But They Are Also Able To Care, To Love, Get Married and Have Children. Of Course One Of The Many Flaws In The Star Wars Universe Has It That If Someone Simply Gets Angry They Fall To The Dark Side.


 * Anon, this post has been inactive for quite some time, so reactivating it serves no purpose. And as much as you are entitled to your personal opinions, this is not the place to discuss that. I suggest you take your opinion to the Starwars.com or TheForce.net forums. And using initial caps is unnecessary at this site. Cheers. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 15:02, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Awwwww. Was it too hard for you to read that????????? poor baby...
 * And using initial caps is unnecessary at this site.

Not a place to discuss...hmmmmmm...yeah... then you might want too take off where it says discussion up there. And if we do discuss things like that here... what the fuck are you going to do about it??????????


 * This page is designed to discuss revisions to the article and other items relevant to the content of this article, not personal opinions and certainly not about Jedi marriage. As you seem to be a vandal, this will be lost on you. As such, you will most likely be blocked for trolling and personal attacks. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 14:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

24.5.121.95's edit
It was mostly unecessary. All except fixing a present tense sentence.--Darth Oblivion 00:12, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Destroying army of droids
When does Luke ever do this? I don't recall it.
 * Dark Empire 1. Darth Kevinmhk 02:10, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Things to expand on Luke

 * Here is a list of things to expand on this article. As you finish or add the necessary information, please scratch it off as per below and sign your name.


 * The Courtship of Princess Leia Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 16:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The Truce at Bakura Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 16:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Survivor's Quest Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 16:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * First Corellian Crisisbooks Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 16:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 16:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Black Fleet Crisis Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 17:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Young Jedi Knights series  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff [[Image:Jbig3.JPG |20px]] 00:16, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Marvel Star Wars
 * During OT
 * Post RotJ


 * Jedi Knight video games
 * Children of the Jedi Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 16:49, 8 September 2006 (UTC) and User:Finlayson
 * Darksaber Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 23:09, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Planet of Twilight
 * The New Rebellion
 * The Crystal Star


 * Jedi Search  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 17:26, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Dark Apprentice Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 17:26, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Champions of the Force Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 14:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions to this vital topic. Atarumaster88  ( Audience Chamber ) 16:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Looks like Children of the Jedi, Darksaber & Planet of Twilight are covered fairly well. Not much left to say except for a few words maybe. -Finlayson 22:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * While I did do a pretty good job on expanding those sections, I don't remember how Luke got onboard the Eye of Palpatine, the details of how the Planet of Twilight crisis was resolved, but I think I've gotten everything out of Darksaber that I can. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 23:09, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * why was Battlegrounds crosses out? Its storyline isnt in the article yet... --Razzy1319 17:30, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it's covered. Also, Children of the Jedi, Planet of Twilight, YJK, and Crystal Star only need minor expansion. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 04:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Ben's final message
Ben's last message to Luke is listed here before the Courtship of Princess Leia, but actually happens at the start of Heir to the Empire. --JMM 06:27, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Feel free to fix it, JMM... ;) QuentinGeorge 06:46, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Moved that paragraph to the proper place. Added Jedi before seaches to get the idea across.  That could be worded better though. -Finlayson 16:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It was probably messed up because I've been the only one doing any major expansions on Luke and I have zero sources in front of me- I'm going off of memory. Feel free to fix my chronological and possible inaccuracy errors, but I don't think there are too many. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 16:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Image.
Should the Image of Luikie currently up be his Main Image? I rememb4er the old one that was up there and frankly it looks alot better then his one IMO Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 16:27, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I've reverted it, whoever changed it did so without asking. Jedi Dude 17:04, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Can it be changed. That pic is not up to date, but this one is.  Anakin Solo Jedi (Hero to the Enemy)[[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 18:45, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Then how about this one.  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff 19:03, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Too close. Too much head. Policy goes for full sized promotional first. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 19:05, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I guess Anakin was right there aren't good pics of this guy. It is up to the users to vote.  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff [[Image:Jbig3.JPG |20px]] 19:08, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * When did the current one become so horrible? -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 19:10, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * He looks so far away and Mark looks different somehow. Alright I have one more image to show and then we vote.  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff [[Image:Jbig3.JPG |20px]] 19:11, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks the same to me. And that new image is just crap quality. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 19:16, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * How about this: Why don't we just use a picture of the older Luke, meaning the picture that shows Luke at his oldest age, instead? We do that for most of the other articles, so why not this article, Leia Organa Solo's article, and Han Solo's article? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:21, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That's a good suggestion but the admins or other users might revert. I would have to say the ROTJ promo, it is the only recent image of Luke we have.  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff [[Image:Jbig3.JPG |20px]]
 * Then we get the admins to come here and tell us why we can't use a picture of older Luke as the main image. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:28, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * As of yet. I'm considering getting the image at Official Pix and changing the background. Anyway, if we were to characters at their oldest then Anakin would be from ROTJ as would Palpatine. Also, Han, Leia and Luke don't change much, hell, at all between the three movies so there isn't any reason and it's just easier to give it the look we're accustomed to. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 19:29, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * True. Perhaps make it "The character at his/her prime" for the main image (if possible). Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:30, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Use the one at Official Pix then.  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff [[Image:Jbig3.JPG |20px]] 19:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * If that were the case then Obi-Wan and Yoda would have the younger image. Also, we'd have to stay within movie images. It simply wouldn't look good if we have a major movie character with a n artists depiction. Just give the okay for Official Pix image and I'll get it (you'll also get a new Obi-Wan image as well). But I need either administrators okay or a good amount of people. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 19:38, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Then present it at Senate Hall, that would most likely catch their attention.  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff [[Image:Jbig3.JPG |20px]] 19:49, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok that would be good.  Anakin Solo Jedi (Hero to the Enemy)[[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 19:51, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * In whatever case the picture shouldn't be just changed by people without a decent vote, so im reverting it for the time being. Jedi Dude 16:03, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Voting
Image 1


 * 1) Red Head Rider 18:35, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) lalala_la

Image 2
 * 1) Adamwankenobi 01:48, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Image 3
 * 1)  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff [[Image:Jbig3.JPG |20px]] 01:43, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Image 4

Image 5

Comments
 * Whoa, whoa. You jumped the boat. First off, the old image isn't nominated and second off, I'm still awaiting the one from Official Pix. Give it time. The article isn't going anywhere. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 01:56, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You mean you ordered it. Alright I give it time.  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff [[Image:Jbig3.JPG |20px]] 23:21, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I have some images I would like to volunteer:

Nah. I like the cropped one Redemption posted. -- Ozzel 02:10, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, I give up. Just keep the image as it is.  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff [[Image:JainaPurple.jpg |30px]] 02:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

FINALLY!
*dances on Luke's bones*

No, seriously, he was a great character, but all great characters eventually jump the shark, and the Big Three did that long ago. Maybe before NJO, even. This image is great news. - Sikon 05:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC) we dont know if he died, only that he merged with force. knowing lucas that is probably what happened.
 * But it has still yet to be revealed how he dies. Adamwankenobi 05:53, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * We've known he was dead in Legacy for some time. QuentinGeorge 05:57, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * He doesn't look old so it means he must have died some time in the Legacy of The Force series.  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff [[Image:Jbig3.JPG |20px]] 14:14, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It doesn't mean he dies in LotF although it's certainly a possibility. Force ghosts dont always look exactly the same as when they died. I mean look at the end of the 2004 DVD of RotJ with it having Anakin from the RotS time period, so it's too early to say that he must have died in Legacy of the Force. Elephanto 16:13, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That could be explained by Anakin reverting to how he looked before he fell to the dark side, though I don't think Force ghosts are anchored to their residual image. Note both Anakin and Luke wear robes we never see them in during their lifetimes, so it seems there's an extensive wardrobe up in Jedi Limbo ;) - Kwenn 16:17, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Although those robes do look like the ones Luke is wearing in some of the NEC pictures. Plus in a lot of the novels he's described as wearing "Jedi Robes" without any specific statement of what color they are so he may have worn something like that in NJO DN or LotF, so it's not quite as odd as the Anakin at the end of RotJ for me. Elephanto 16:32, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Merged with the Force = died. And Lucas doesn't write the Legacy comic, nor does he write any other book, comic or game. - Sikon 06:29, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * True, but George Lucas does give out guidelines to what is written so he has a hand in everything.RushinSundaws 16:12, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * merge doesnt mean die. in early drafts of SW Obi Wan does this, then returns to the realme of the living. it's a concept that may be revisted with Luke. Luke is still on the no kill list so he isnt killed as we would think in a traditional sense. Considering how powerful Luke is and how powerful he will become, it's unlikely anyone slayed him. Not even Jacen can. Jacen can't and won't. He never had the power and never will. Luke probably merges with the force, being that it is the most powerful tchnique, but it isn't something Luke basher should rejoice in, now he is more powerful than we can possibly imagine.
 * Early drafts aren't canon. And nobody says anyone killed Luke. He may have died of old age. - Sikon 16:50, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. And really there are more important topics than speculation because that's all this is, about how luke died. Really. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber )

Everybody has blown this way out of proportion. Of course he's dead. He was getting grey in the NJO. They all have to go sometime.--Xilentshadow900 22:54, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep, tey won't say how he died, because they need to keep that for a novel in the future to shock fans back into things...yes hes dead, like everyone even he must go..treny in death though..Jedi Dude 23:05, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Time will tell what really happened to Luke.  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff [[Image:Jbig3.JPG |20px]] 23:18, 13 September 2006 (UTC)


 * What??? When did he die?-138.88.90.164 15:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * SPOILER

Prediction - Jacen will kill him, and vice-versa. You heard it here first. . .  .  .  03:09, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

The Greatest Jedi of all time?
Luke is obviously the poster child for Star wars and of course is a favorite of most everybody and is arguably the greatest Jedi of all time but if not Luke who? Hes the most famous character in star wars hands down but greatest jedi? im just not sure. -Crion Naxx


 * Ample evidence is provided in the talents and abilities section. Some of the stuff Luke does would have made Yoda and Mace Windu cry themselves to sleep at night. Luke has the potential of Anakin Skywalker, according to George Lucas, and while he didn't have as much formal training, he still has learned enough to be very, very powerful. Luke's combined Force-wielding experience surpassed the equivalent of Anakin around the time he hit 36 (before NJO) if you want to think about it in terms of years of training. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 14:27, 13 September 2006 (UTC)

Its been argued that he is the greatest and personally i believe he is and yeah you prove a good point he was an excellent swordsman and his force abilities only perfected as time progressed. -Crion Naxx

Romances - Jem Ysanna
In Romances section there is nothing about Jem Ysanna. I think that everyone who read Dark Empire II and Empire's End remembers her. Can anyone write something about her there? --Darth Zjyslav Moose 16:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I wrote the Romances section and I've never read Dark Empire. I'll add something this weekend maybe. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 20:25, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah Luke was romanticaly involved with Jem when he was training her. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg|25px]] 12:45, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Lightning and Right Hand
Last I checked, you cannot cast Force Lightning from mechanical limbs, and the cover of Dark Empire depicts Luke gathering it in his right hand which is mechanical. Is that image canon or did the Darth Sidious discover a way for mechanical limbs to project Force Lightning? Or is it Force Lightning? user:Darth Vatrir


 * At the time (in the real world), I don't think the whole thing about people not being able to use Force lightning with mechanical limbs had been established yet.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 18:53, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Fortunately, covers aren't canon - Kwenn 20:07, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * And that's his left hand. Not his right. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 21:42, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No, its his right hand. Look at it from his eyes. user:Darth Vatrir
 * No...when your facing someone, your right is his left. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 19:51, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * In any case, it's the hand he lost to Vader. - Angel Blue 451 (Holonet)[[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] 21:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No....Luke lost his right hand to Vader. Luke is using his LEFT in that cover. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 20:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hold on. Just to be sure we are on the same page, are we talking about this image:



And why is the text getting smaller? -  Angel Blue 451 (Holonet) 21:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oooooooooh. Dammit. This is why I should read carefully next time. I was thinking over the Swarm War cover. Whoops. (Redemption = Stupid) In that case, it's either an error or we can just say it's discharge from his mechanical hand. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 20:28, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. It isn't really clear that that is supposed to be Force lighting anyway.  I don't think it's worth bothering about. -  Angel Blue 451 (Holonet)[[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] 21:53, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Isn't it possible to use Force lightning with a mechanical limb at the cost of damage to that limb?--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 23:30, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with Kwenn and Angel Blue 451. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg|25px]] 23:35, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep, it might not be lightning, covers are not canon in any case so lets move on... Jedi Dude 18:48, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, all that aside, what could be a possible in-universe explaination. I'm thinking Sidious discovered or created some sort of Sith Alchemy. user:Darth Vatrir
 * IIRC, the Emperor cloned up a new hand to replace the mechanical hand. -LtNOWIS 03:59, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

New pic
Is fantastic! Great work, Solo, and Dooku....I mean IG...eh. . .  .  .  23:18, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Glad I could help, and yeah, it's IG-Prime for the present.-- IG-Prime (Sentience Core)[[Image:Cislogo.png|20px]] 23:21, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, glad I was able to help you. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg |25px]] 23:26, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * But did you bother to have a vote? Geez...reverting until a vote is held. Luke is too much of a major character to just change the image willy-nilly. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 01:24, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It was discussed on the FA nom briefly, but no official vote was held. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 01:30, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You don't have to vote. Be bold, right? I suggest we can and should have a more detailed discussion here, however.  - breathesgelatin Talk 04:22, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess so, if not here than on a Senate forum.-- IG-Prime (Sentience Core)[[Image:Cislogo.png|20px]] 04:41, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I like the ROTJ image that was wrongly removed. .  .  .  .  09:03, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * This topic was already discussed in the Senate Hall. According to some users there is no official policy for main images. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg |25px]] 12:08, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * There is now a vote in the Senate Hall.-- IG-Prime (Sentience Core)[[Image:Cislogo.png|20px]] 12:43, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Form IV
Is it just me, or is Luke's sabre style more Form IV than Form V by the time of ROTJ? He has the same "ready-stance" of Yoda and Qui-Gon...both Form IV practitioners, and he does a few of the characteristic Form IV spins... .  .  .  .  07:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope, the thing is his style is heavily improvised, but has the core chracteristics of Form V Jedi Dude 09:54, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Ugh...the whole Sabre forms thing is rubbish, but there are a lot of cosmetic Form IV characteristics. .  .  .  .  10:10, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Luke didn't really have a whole lot of formal saber form training. Also, Vader's opening stance was not the Form V stance in either Episode IV, V, or VI. OOU, they hadn't been invented yet. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 14:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Combination
To get to the point, several subsections should probably be combined into larger ones, reducing the messy look of the article. Ex. The 'Diciples of Ragnos' section should probably moved into the 'Empire Reborn' section, since it is about a splinter group of that faction. I also think the 'Kueller' section should be combined into something, but I don't know what. Maybe we could rename the 'Black Fleet Crisis' header, since Luke had little to do with that, and change it to something more generic that could include 'Kueller.' Are there any other sections that require this remedy, and do any agree with me? -Solus 16:09, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * If you look at the FA nom for Luke, found here, it was requested that more subsections be added, so I added a bunch. Granted, the Disciples of Ragnos might be better in the Empire Reborn section and also we should place the Waru part in there. The New Rebellion is hard to fit into any of the other categories- kind of a weird little non sequitur. If you have a viable way to do so, let me know. I'll rename the Black Fleet Crisis section now. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 22:55, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hm. I see. Well, there was also conflict about the 'Waru' and 'Kueller' parts in the FA discussion, as well. We could probably integrate the 'Kueller' part in with the 'Black Fleet Crisis' by renaming the 'Black Fleet' part something like 'Guarding the Peace,' 'Guardian of the Republic,' 'Keeping the Peace,' 'Protector of the Republic,' 'Eet Mor Chikin'... something like that. I love making up names. -Solus 00:30, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've been meaning to give the Waru/Kueller sections a nice copysmacking this weekend. The problem with integrating Kueller and BFC is that Luke did the exact opposite of defending the Peace in BFK- he went off adventuring with Akanah while the New Reps went to heck in Koornacht . . . I assume you haven't read those books. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 00:37, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I have read the BFC books, it's just that I skipped the Luke parts because it seemed like a lot of baloney. I did grammar check that part in the article, though, so I know a little about it. You're right. I just was trying to think of something generic. Maybe something less grandiose like 'Searching for Truth' or something like that. -Solus 13:58, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do with that and get back to you. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 15:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you think I should go ahead and change the BFC section to 'Searching for Truth' and integrate Kueller, or no? -Solus 00:31, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * What do you think about "Finding his role in the Force." That theme seemed to be in both books to me. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 00:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That sounds good to me. Nice name. -Solus 15:55, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Eh, on accident I edited the Black Fleet Crisis name and integrated Kueller as per your suggestion under my Ip number, 67.34.186.30. That' just so you don't think that number's a conceited twerp. Heh. I'm not used to logging in yet. -Solus 00:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Problems
Just so we get all of our ducks in a row, how about everyone just go ahead and make a list right here of all of the technical problems with the Luke Skywalker article, we can then address them. Please can each person make one bullet point for each problem, and not several in one bullet point, and not repeat a previously written down problem. Please strike through any point that is addressed. Thank you -Solus 23:35, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * See Featured Article on the Luke Skywalker section. Look under objections and that has most of them. Fix Waru/Empire Reborn. Do something with Kueller. Add info from Marvel Star Wars. Condense Dark Nest segment. That's most of them. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 23:44, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, that works. I don't have any Marvel Star Wars comics or the Dark Nest books, so I can't do anything about that. But I can do something about the Empire Reborn and Kueller. Thank you, Atarumaster88 -Solus 00:27, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You're quite welcome. Thank you for helping on Luke. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 20:32, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * A pleasure. -Solus 00:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Faces, faces everywhere

 * Is it just me, or does it seem we have too many portrait images of Luke. Can't we get any variety of images? Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 20:30, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, well, in the later section, portraits is all we've got - since the only source is book covers. .  .  .  .  22:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok then. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 09:02, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Dark Lord
Seeing as, for a short time at least, he was under Palpatines command (Empire's End), could he be considered a Dark Lord of the Sith? Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 20:30, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Nah, Palpatine kept calling him a Dark Jedi. .  .  .  .  22:39, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Main image vote
One of the users has brought this to my attention. This vote is to decide which main image shall be used to on Luke Skywalker's infobox.

Image 1

 * 1) Portraits, people, portraits. And the other one's all blurry anyway. So at the risk of sounding negative: No. .  .  .  .  03:13, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Are we going to have a new vote every time someone uploads a new image? I really like the current picture, and the new one doesn't have the same character. Havac 03:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) The other one is blurry and makes Luke look kind of dopey. QuentinGeorge 07:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Luke looks awkward in the 2nd one. Even though some of his head is cut off, I like this one better. -Solus 15:05, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) The other pic is blurry. And it doesn't look very good. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 19:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 6)  - breathesgelatin Talk 23:07, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Image 2

 * 1) Yeah but this one matches the Han and Leia articals and looks better in the infobox Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 03:16, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Comments
—HK-47 Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 03:25, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I must sound like a bloody broken record: Portaits go in infoboxes: more encyclopedic. .  .  .  .  03:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * We don't need matching infobox images. It'll never happen. .  .  .  .  03:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah but still it looks a bit better in the infobox anbd show s more of the torso Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 03:19, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Port. Raits. .  .  .  .  03:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Statement: Oh, do shut up, you beeping little trash compactor."
 * Fourdot, your tendency to repeat your same points more vehemently is not going to win any arguments or endear you to anyone. And telling people to shut up is not the most civil thing you could do Tnu. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 04:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I only persist with the same point because people tend to forget. And I'm not here to endear myself to anyone. At all. .  .  .  .  07:32, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * What is this, anyway? James Bond? The "holding up gun" thing is so...un Star Warsey. Except for Han. .  .  .  .  07:55, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh and you have no problme wiht it on Leia's artical? or Han's artical? it's not a protrait either none of them are and yet you only have a problme with this one. the current one is WAY too close tot he face and dosn't look good in the infobox. betwene us i would have been fine with the old Image Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 17:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Why don't you just let the vote handle it? Jeez. I keep reading the same arguments over and over again, except the people involved just state them in more argumentative terms. And Tnu, there was a vote earlier that decided the new image. It's called democracy, so let it work please. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 19:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, at least arguing gets us somewhere. Look at Anakin Skywalker. .  .  .  .  22:32, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Anakin I've-been-on-IDrive-nom-for-four-weeks-now Skywalker? And I agree that discussion is good, but there comes a point where a dead horse is being beaten by saying the same karking thing. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 00:13, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I was refering to the Anakin/Vader merge. .  .  .  .  00:41, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree- those results were quite impressive. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 01:46, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Come on! can't we atleast revert back to the old Promo? this one is just awkwerd. dosn't look right in the infobox. there's gotta be a better one Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 02:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No. See the discussion on the FA nom for Luke and the Senate hall topic on it. The current image was approved by large consensus. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 05:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * This arguement is purely subjective. I don't even know why we're having it. .  .  .  .  05:02, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Yup, Quotes again
This is a very good article, and I believe it should be featured sometime soon. However, as with the Palpatine article, we need a good main quote. The "I am a Jedi" one is good, but not as good as "That boy is our last hope" in my opinion. I will change it back, and if somebody objects they can talk about it here or my talk page.--Vladius Magnum(Clan Magnum)
 * Last hope is better. But I'm sure there are better again. .  .  .  .  00:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree. I reverted it earlier because I do not feel the *current* quote is as expressive of Luke's character as the "I am a Jedi, like my father before me" quote. However, since this something of a democracy, I suppose it can be placed to a vote.

Support

 * 1) Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 00:57, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) Imp 01:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

But I was going to go into Tosche Station to pick up some power converters!

 * 1) ... What? --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 01:03, 12 November 2006 (UTC)