Talk:Palpatine/Legends

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Thank you
Thank you for fixing this, QuentinGeorge. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:52, 17 Dec 2005 (UTC)

"Declared" vs. "anointed"
Palpatine declared himself Emperor in front of the Galactic Senate on Empire Day. Therefore, "self-declared" is more appropiate than "self-anointed". Admiral J. Nebulax 21:08, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * "This bickering is pointless." "Declared" is just as good as "anointed".  A bit better, maybe, because it fits the situation better, as Admiral Nebulax said.  In any case, "declared" is not an ounce less appropriate than "anointed", and we have to decide which it will be, because leaving it as "self declared/self-anointed" doesn't flow well with the rest of the text. - Angel Blue 451 21:26, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Please visit my talk page. We are dicussing the matter there. And what is up there now was only ment to be there for a short time. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:27, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)

User: Dark Lord of the Sith
Someone (I mean admin) please warn Dark Lord of the Sith that he's gonna get himself banned if he keeps molesting the page with his fanon hallucinations. --Master Starkeiller 15:25, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I say ban him right now. He's been screwing around with the page for long enough. I just had to re-add everything for "Palpatine reborn" to "Styles of address". Admiral J. Nebulax 15:27, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * If he has done it before, then kick the bloody guy outta here. --Master Starkeiller 15:44, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I posted on the idiot's talk page. I suggest, Master Starkeiller, that you post there as well. Admiral J. Nebulax 15:45, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I did. These morons seem to prefer this page to exercise their stupidity, and I don't like that, 'cause it's my favorite page. --Master Starkeiller 15:50, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Mine, too. Admiral J. Nebulax 15:51, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * So I speak for you when I say: "Bloody vandals, you'd better stay away from the Palpatine page or else..."? --Master Starkeiller 16:02, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Pretty much. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:03, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't forget we have a Vandalism in progress page, where you can report vandalism to the moderators. They're a lot more likely to see your concerns if they're addressed there. jSarek 21:21, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, since this page is vandalized so many times, I think this might just be the "vandalism in progress" page. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:25, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Lightsaber picture solution
DannyBoy and mesa have a disagreement on the saber picture of the article. I consider horridly awful the one he considers perfect and he considers horridly awful the one I consider perfect. We voted but it was a tie between the one I want and the one he wants. May I propose a solution? Why don't we turn to http://www.thelightsaber.com? It is full of fanon, but the saber pics it has from the films are accurate and nicely framed by a glow in the saber's blade color in front of a black background. Not only that, it seems to be the only one that has a pic of the black saber Sidious uses against Yoda, which is much cooler than his widely-known golden one. So we can have two of Sidious's sabers in the article. I think the solution would satisfy everybody.





These are the two. Everybody happy now? --Master Starkeiller 12:12, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'd just prefer whichever one is up there now. That's a fan-made background, and we can't have one of those. Admiral J. Nebulax 13:42, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * No, that's not true. The background, fan-made or otherwise is of no importance as long as it is just a frame for our picture. Plus, it's a nice background and the only pic of the black Sidious saber. It would be unwise to discard two great pictures for other, inferior ones, just because their backgroung is fan-made. --Master Starkeiller 18:30, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, if I remember correctly, pictures aren't supposed to have a fan-made background. Admiral J. Nebulax 19:10, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * The lightsaber itself is taken from the Master Replicas website, I believe, which currently has the best image of this weapon around. I suggest we just use that, sans fan background - Kwenn
 * The fan background is good. And it's just a background. If it's good why not keep it? There are other pages with fan-made backgrounds here anyway. Plus, there isn't a black saber Palpy picture with no fan background. And they aren't from Master Replicas. Master Replicas has some big yet awful gifs. --Master Starkeiller 19:26, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, if a better picture can't be found, I guess that will do. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:27, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, the good news is, I like either saber picture. The bad news is, I don't care for the backgrounds on either one. Why? Because they're black, and the reason I think that's bad is because I don't get a sense of the true shape of them this way, or at least I wouldn't, if I didn't know them already. Call me crazy, call me weird, but I like the white backgrounds better. Sorry if this puts a clog in Starkeiller's plans, but in this particular case, the background's not good to me. Erik Pflueger 01:06, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, like I said, we'll have to use these until better ones can be found. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:43, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * So I seem to be the only one that likes the backgrounds... Okay, should anyone find any better pics (or any with the black one), we shall vote or talk about it again, OK? I've searched for the hundredth time only to find the same crappy shots. --Master Starkeiller 02:23, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * It's fine for now, Starkeiller. Admiral J. Nebulax 03:21, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Starkeiller, do you not realize that that image is EXACTLY the same as the one I originally posted except it has that retarded black and red background? Sheesh. I would suggest anyone interested read the post vote conversation on the Archive 3 page near the bottom (for the initial vote we did) I think the logic behind what I says is still valid (As I am the "defendent" in this situation it is your responsibility to "meet the burden of proof".) This new vote you are asking for is nothing more than an attempt to circumvent the original vote. As I said on the 3rd page of the Palpatine discussion: there was plenty of time for people to vote in support of your image. You didn't get enough votes to beat me so it stays. Analogy: Would you give a world record to the second person to make it? No, they would have to do better. Anyway, if that black saber was used against Yoda I suggest we get rid of that black and red crap so it matches the one I posted and include it. If it's fanon crap or something done by MR and not in the movie (I never noticed it but I am not refuting it) then I think this issue is closed. Also, I think it is dangerous to allow fanon - of any kind - to be posted on this Wiki. I don't think that is a slippery slope we should go down...--DannyBoy7783 06:12, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I have gone back and reviewed the new article section "Lightsaber" which was heavily laden with speculation and frivolous excessive wording. I also did some research online (google, rebelscum, Master Replica's site) and didn't see anything about this Black Sidious saber. The only thing I found was a special target exclusive MR saber that was entirely black chrome. I think this is a photoshop job of the original image to give it a black handle. I also reviewed the movie and at no point can you tell that it is black (during Yoda's lightsaber battle with the Emperor). I removed both images because a) they are partially fan images and b) the black saber currently has no factual evidence to its canon status. I replaced the canon saber that Starkeiller put up because the original one was of a higher quality. The saber images with the black background are a lower resolution which can be seen along the handle. The shading isn't smooth like it should be. Unless you can provide evidence from a reputable source or a screen capture that unequivocally shows this black and silver saber then it doesn't belong on the main article page. Lastly, I would like to point out that I don't have a big problem with the image Starkeiller replaced mine with during the original vote. I just think the one I originally uploaded is superior because it shows not just one side of the hilt detail but a little bit of both sides. The diagonal image that Starkeiller prefered didn't do this. I also think it is a bit silly for you, Starkeiller, to say that you think my image is "horridly awful" because the golden and silver Sidious saber with the black and red background is exactly the same as mine just with a cheesy background (and smaller I might add). I think this supports my theory that, for whatever reason, you have something against the fact that I have put this image on the page not the actual image itself. Your user pages states you are fanatical about Palpatine and I respect that but I think you are being way too possesive of the article.--DannyBoy7783 08:29, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I told you, Starkeiller, we can't have fan-made backgrounds. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:30, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * DannyBoy7783, the only reason I consider the picture you support horridly awful is its resolution. It isn't good. That's my only problem. And yes, I am obsessive about this article, I want it to be perfect. If you have a problem with that, sorry, but I ain't gonna change. If you can find the same image in better resolution (like the one with the fan background, which may have been smaller, but it had a decent resolution), I'd be glad to see it there. Like this one http://www.thesabervault.com/files/MasterReplicas/Items/PalpatineROTSbig.jpg for example. Currently, I consider it horridly awful. I don't have anything against you, I have a deep hate towards low res, that's all, pal. You do realise the pic you support is low res? And here's proof the black Sidious saber is as fanon as the golden one, I'm restoring the picture:



I'm also restoring my paragraph. I respect the results of the vote, but the speculation and "funny" wording were fitting to the article (my tribute to Erik's writing and interesting ideas I came up with while researching). Oh, please! SPECULATIVE CRAP? Come on! --Master Starkeiller 16:11, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Starkeiller, why don't you make the image with Palpatine and his black lightsaber smaller and avoid using the pictures with the fan-made backgrounds? Admiral J. Nebulax 17:20, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I will avoid it. But in this case it is necessary as there isn't one with no fan background. --Master Starkeiller 17:22, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * That's better. Admiral J. Nebulax 17:28, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * You mean the size of the picture? --Master Starkeiller 17:34, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. And the caption could be something like "One of Sidious's lightsabers". Admiral J. Nebulax 18:47, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Added in new image to replace previous one. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:53, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I realize now that resolution isn't the right word for what I was trying to describe. The black background saber pic is simply a sub par photograph. You can see this when you look at the shading in the reflection along the handle. Compare it to mine and you will notice that yours has a jagged differentce in color as it goes along. Mine makes a smooth transition because the photograph of the lightsaber is simply better. Also, the resolution of my image IS better. Mine is 300 pixels per inch. Yours is 72. Now shut up about my picture because it is bigger and better and there is nothing wrong with the quality of the photo. If you think there is upload a copy that points these so called "flaws" out. Is there any further proof of the black handled saber? The new image appears to be it but it's a little hard to tell. Can we find some more information on it before he go headfirst into adding the info for it to the article proper? Also, there is NEVER a need to make something overly words. This is a wiki and it is designed to give people information on the character. This isn't your private page where you can give tribute to someone. I don't think someone who comes here for the first time is going to appreciate having to wade through your drivvle in order to get to the information they need. What you are doing here is what every high school student in the world learns how to do: BS their homework by adding nonsense text. This isn't high school and you aren't being graded so stop doing it. It makes the page longer than it needs to be. So, in conclusion as I have said twice before now: this page is not yours and the entire internet community is allowed to make alterations to it. Your insesent reverts are becoming increasingly frustrating and selfish. PLEASE STOP PRETENDING YOU OWN THIS PAGE. IT IS NOT YOURS ALONE. Your opinion of what is better may not always be the case and to think otherwise is naive and ignorant. I reverted your section...yet again. I would be happy to go through your version of that entire lightsaber section and point out everything that doesn't belong because of over wordyness or speculation. I don't think you notice when you do it but this wiki should remain as to the point, factual, and neutral to all sides. Bias skewes information. It isn't our job to comment on Palpatine's character being good or evil but to present the information about him so the reader can make that decision. Real encyclopedias don't say Hitler is evil. They simply tell you what he did as the leader of Germany. End of story. When you learn to be concise and to the point I will stop fixing your text.--DannyBoy7783 18:55, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * You need to calm down, DannyBoy. He's done plenty of good things for this article. So shut up. He knows it's not his page. He does things for the better of the article, not because he thinks it's his own. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:59, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)