Talk:Anakin Skywalker/Legends

Imperial Spy
Information about Rogor should be deleted from the Construction of the Executor because it is already canonically placed in the Completion of the Executor QuiGonJinn 10:51, 25 August 2008 (UTC)QuiGonJinn

Where does the "canonical" placement for this come from, though? The author intent, plus internal evidence (Q-7N) places it far earlier, just before Mission # 9 - 12.

Sith Lord Section
Right After Force Choke its says ''Vader also appeared to have great physical strength, able to lift a grown man by the throat with one hand, and picking up the Emperor and hurling him to his death. Whether these feats result from his use of the Force or from the power of his cybernetic limbs is unknown. However, it seems most likely to be a result of his mechanical appendages, as when he choked Obi-Wan in their battle on Mustafar. '' In the last sentence I'm pretty sure Vader never chocked obi-wan with mechanical appendages on Mustafar because that was before he even had mechanical appendages right? DracosTheBlack 02:38, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, his right arm was already mechanical following his duel with Darth Tyranus on Geonosis. Can't remember if it's indeed this arm that he uses to choke Obi-Wan though....Darth Revan. 11:18, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * True true, the sentence just made it sound like as "Robotic Vader" to me. Can it be changed to be more clear so we can know if its talking about "metal" vador or "meat" vader heh.DracosTheBlack 14:22, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Also in the Force Absorb section it talks about Vader absorbing blaster shots which is not cited. In Empire Strikes Back he deflects them with his gloves and in the armor section it says that his gloves are made unique micronized iron to deflect anything but a Light Saber. It should probably be changed to deflect blasters with his gloves or cited where it says he can absorb them.DracosTheBlack 15:09, 29 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Read Splinter of the Mind's Eye, the first Star Wars EU novel ever written, among others. He gets shot and isn't injured. - Milo Fett [Comlink] 15:10, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Then that needs to be cited because he uses his gloves in the movie and it tells you that's what they are for in the armor section.DracosTheBlack 15:12, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm going to change this to his armor deflect unless there is a source provided. The star wars data bank says his gloves can deflect anything short of a lightsaber.  DracosTheBlack 15:47, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Vader cannot use the Force!!!
Ok, i was thinking the other day, since anakin's arm got sliced off in AOTC, in ROTS, he doesnt (and, according to the Starwars universe, can'l) use the force on/from that arm. later in ROTS, he gets transformed into the quadra-mechanica-ed(mechanical limbed) Darth Vader. According to the SW universal rules and the rules of the force, a jedi/sith/force-user cannot use the force (actively) if he doesnt have any flesh&blood in that area. So, my question is: how come in TESB, Vader uses the Force to pull Han Solo's blaster to him, after stopping/absorbing the blasts with his gauntlet??? And, if this is an exception, are the "rules of the Force" more like 'guidelines'??? L1berat3r 02:59, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Where exactly did you here this? I seem to be having trouble finding it myself. // ~mikah~  03:36, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Umm, no? He can't use electrical energy-based force moves. (force lightning and such.) And his connection to the force is reduced. (Though his force potential is still much greater than other sith lords. And one must remember that the force is infinte, and only the strength of your wil governs what it can do.)

Anakin's apprentices
Ahsoka Tano,Antinnis Tremayne, Halmere, Lanu Pasiq, and Gwellib Ap-Llewff are in the Known Masters section instead of the known apprentices section.
 * Sorry didn't realize it was in the right section it just looks that way on the page.

Image
I don't know if there's been a war over this already or something, but please, no Hayden Christensen. Darth Vader's picture is much more recognized, and much more respected. 129.107.81.12 21:21, 1 September 2008 (UTC) 1 - In this case you're wrong, he dies as an old man, and, following your logic, we would need a picture of Vader without his helmet saying good-bye to Luke. 2 - This is *DARTH VADER*, possibly the most important character in Star Wars, rated as the 5th greatest movie villian of all time, and you're ruining his image for the sake of your personal technicalities that don't even follow logic? That's too much. Normally, when I encounter bureaucratic types like you, I'm only mildly annoyed, but I'm genuinely pissed off that you're screwing over Darth Vader for this. How dare you? I mean really, how dare you? This is a disgrace to the OT. A pure, and total disgrace. Why? 129.107.81.12 01:36, 18 September 2008 (UTC) OK, sorry for the outburst (and the unnecessary personal/collective attacks), but seriously, why? The logic of "he died as a Jedi" does not follow through to justifying making the image of Hayden Christiansen, since Darth Vader did not die as Hayden Christensen, he died as Vader/Anakin with part of his vital helmet missing. Personally, I don't like that as an image either, but it makes more sense logically than your justification for Hayden Christiansen. All in all, an image of Vader, if for no reason other than respect for the Original Trilogy, belongs as the image. 129.107.81.12 01:42, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * He died Anakin Skywalker, so it makes sense to show him as his Jedi-self. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 21:35, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * No it doesn't. That makes as much sense as putting Hayden into the ghost scene at the end of EP VI - none. Everybody I knows' first reaction was "wtf? I thought he was old??". That said. Please, no pretty boy. Darth Vader is, and always will be, the more respected and well-known character than Anakin Skywalker. It's only fair to use his image. After all, it has a lot more screen time than any of the three other actors. And frankly, Hayden isn't worthy of such a place. I *STRONGLY* object to this outrage. 129.107.81.12 01:24, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, if you want to be picky about "how he died as a Jedi", he died as an old man (Jedi), and we would have to use the picture of Vader without his helmet at the end of EP VI (telling Luke "tell your sister, you were right"), since that is the last we see of him alive - as a Jedi. 129.107.81.12 01:30, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Look, I understand that a lot of you Wookieepedia anal-rententive control-freak nazis like to be picky about things, but:
 * WHY?! 129.107.81.12 01:37, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * #takes a few moments to collect himself#


 * Actually, I have a new suggestion, why not make an image that places all three different "Anakins" as well as Darth Vader together in one photo? That way we see all the different key stages of his life, and everybody is happy? :) 129.107.81.12 01:43, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * And in that image *maybe* include Darth Vader with the part of the mask removed as well as the cartoon Anakin, but probably not those last two... 129.107.81.12 01:44, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Umm, in an atricle about anakin skywalker, putting a symbol of all that anakin fought against as his picture seems a lil' wrong.--70.71.240.170 03:46, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Starkiller's Training
On Corellia, when Vader and the Emperor's trap snaps shut on the Rebel leaders, Vader informed Galen that he had lied to him "from the very beginning". Also, when Galen accuses Vader of never intending to destroy the Emperor, Vader states "not with you, no". It is also stated, in the book and the graphic novel, that Galen's kidnapping from Kashyyyk was the Emperor's idea. If all this is true, why did Vader train Starkiller, if not to destroy the Emperor? Why would the Emperor want Vader to have an apprentice? .

It's explained in the story itself. The entire thing was an elaborate plot to both destroy the Empire's enemies (Galen killed several Jedi who could have posed threats to the Empire) but also to root out the Empire's other less obvious enemies. Those being Bail, Iblis and Mothma (and others like them). Palpatine knew that there were those who still didn't like what he had done and wanted to get rid of them. However it was hard to single out just exactly who these dissidents were, so by having Marek bring them to light by creating the alliance he could take them all out in one swoop which he would have done had Starkiller not intervened. What he had originally planned to end quickly before it could ever gain momentum ended up becoming the Rebel Alliance that eventually grew into the New Republic. You might say it was a little over the top to go through all that just for that purpose, but, well we're talking about the man who started an entire galactic war (the Clone wars) just so he could destroy the Jedi and place himself in the seat of power. Hope that explains it. - Darth Endis 23:07, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Picture
The original picture is this one :. The quality is too bad when you see it at 100%, the original image needs to be reduced a little bit to improve its quality. It would be sad to have a so bad quality picture for one of the most important articles of the wiki. Klow 16:51, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * "[We] don't have permission to access that file." The profile picture is fine as it is anyway; there's no need to change it. // ~mikah~  18:31, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Praesitlyn
Someone please add Battle of Praesitlyn section. I haven't read the book, but I think it was an important part of skywalker's career. QuiGonJinn 18:05, 6 September 2008 (UTC)QuiGonJinn

Vader's gloves or Force Absorb/Deflect
Is vader's blast absorbtion/deflection really due to the the gloves or the force? I recall that in the Empire:Betrayal comic he deflects blaster fire and the blast not only accuarately hits the trooper's head but it hits harder than a regular blast and takes the troopers head off. And in Boba Fett: Enemy Of the Empire when Boba is firing at him he is redirecting all the fire coming towards him to his sides before it hits his glove. The Ten (04:18, 7 September 2008 (UTC))

In addition to that I think it's referenced in I Jedi when Luke is trying to get a feel for what Corran can do with the force he tells him about what Vader did with Han's blaster shots and says he think Corran can do the same thing through the force. Jacenskylo 16:14, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah yes i went and read through i jedi and Luke did comment that his father could absorb or deflect blaster bolts and that he could use the energy to perform telekinetic feats. The Ten 17:32, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Why can't I edit?
OK, I am mad. I want to add the stuff about Teth and Cristophisis and praesitlyn, but I can't. Why not?74.186.151.239 22:17, 8 September 2008 (UTC).
 * Due to what I'm assuming was persistant vandalism attempts (the article was semi-protected even before I joined), unregistered and new (younger than five days, I believe) users are incapable of editing the article. Instead, you can post your desired additions here, and other users will glaldly add them for you. As a final note, you should consider getting an account yourself to avoid this situation in the future; new users are always welcomed. :) // ~mikah~  22:26, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

did Vader know?
In episode IV, did Vader know that Leia was his daughter?
 * I'm not sure, but Anakin Skywalker has been tricked a lot in his life. -- Michaeldsuarez  [[Image:Infinite_Empire.svg|10px]] ( Activate Holocron ) 16:14, 11 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Vader learned she was his daughter eventually (as he used the idea of turning Leia to the dark side to lure out Luke in Episode VI), though I've no idea when. I tried finding an answer in the article, but I'd no luck. // ~mikah~  18:48, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If you want to get technical, Vader still didn't know it was Leia when he was taunting Luke. All he said was, "Sister. So, you have a twin sister. If you will not turn to the Dark side, then perhaps she will." No mention of him knowing her identity. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 19:01, 11 September 2008 (UTC)
 * However, he did know Leia was Luke's sister as soon as one day after his death, because he appears to her on Bakura in the Truce at Bakura. So, somewhere along the way he found out, be it putting the pieces together himself or once he reached the netherworld of the Force. 19:07, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

Something that I believe could use some clarification
I was reading the article, and got up to the part where Anakin killed Ke Daiv in [i]Rogue Planet[/i]. The article's wording makes it pretty clear that Anakin killed the Blood Carver with the Dark Side. But then, lo and behold, it states that "However, this was later proven not to be the case."

If Anakin DIDN'T kill Daiv with the Dark Side, then how DID he kill him? And if this IS true that that ISN'T what happened, shouldn't that part be edited to clarify things a bit?

Because, if I have to be honest, I find the wording rather confusing. I mean, the article does a complete 180 by saying one thing, then saying "Oh, wait, sorry, that ISN'T what happened" and then leaves it at that. Dewback rancher 01:22, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Didn't Force Heretic III state that he used the dark side? I believe Rogue Planet explicitly states that as well.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 12:47, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Anakin's Conception
Hey I've heard alot of debate about Anakin's conception. Some time ago I read a very enlightening article about the subject. Unfortunately I do not remember the author, but they did pose one good point. Why would Sidious create someone who had the potential to kill him?

5.3 Factual correction - Chapter 6 Appearance: Change needed about Jedi Garb.
After reading this, and having extensive studies of the jedi garb worn by Hayden Christiansen in Revenge of the Sith, and also at the research of many others, I need to wholeheartedly disagree with the stating that Anakin wore a large amount of 'Black'...

The only thing on his clothing that was black was the Covertec Clip used to hold his lightsaber hilt to the belt. Everything else was a very dark shade of brown. This includes; The Lambskin (and Cowhide Stunt) Leather Glove used on his right arm, The 'Lambskin' and not Pleather Tabards worn on his torso, as well as the Outer Tunic AND Obi, followed by the Belt, Boots and Spats being brown also...

He did not wear black, as it was not in the Jedi Code. Many pictures may show that he has black on, however those are all Promo Shots. The dark brown garb were 'meant to simulate' his shift to darkness whilst still maintaining his precence as a Jedi, and as such may appear on screen in some instances as black, but never were so. The Picture in this section is of a Promo Shot, however if you scroll up to the top of the page, you can clearly see the garb is dark brown, and that the tabards are not Pleather.

If more extensive proof is needed of this fact, I urge you to visit www.sonsofthesuns.com and look inside the forums, which have a collective database of the costumes of Anakin Skywalker through the movies, which many members have screen accurate costumes to be members of the 501st and Rebel Legions, the Premiere Star Wars Costuming Organisations worldwide, raising money for Starlight Starbright foundations with Movie accurate costumes..

Hopefully you will be able to change this section, and possibly remove the black Promo Photos with replacement of ones showing the real costume. Cheers and hope you all can agree with me on this one :)

Matt 'Alcfalath' Wilson.

BH/SL-6618, 501st Legion, Terror Australis Garrison.

Temple of the Twin Suns Temple Master, Rebel Legion Tatooine Base.

Punishment
The ==punishment== section states "Palpatine was not pleased with Vader's failure at the Battle of Yavin, however, and Darth Vader was punished by losing his hand" As far as i'm aware anakin lost his first hand dueling Dooku in episode II and then his other in episode III. in the scene where he attempts to crawl from the edge of the lava, he is clearly maimed and missing all limbs except for the mechanical replacement for the one he lost in episode II... Am I misremembering?
 * That information (as I recall it was mentioned in Thrawn Trilogy) was written before the prequels were released so it intended to be the reason of Vader's artifical arm seen in Ep VI. But now, in the light of the prequels, it can be considered that Palpatine simply cut off Vader's mechanical arm. QuiGonJinn (Comlink)[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|25px]]

Sith Master
Would Anakin be considered a Sith Master since he killed Palpatine (the first time), and that that is a requirement to become one. I know he returned to the light side, but for a moment he did achieve the requirements to be considered a Sith Master? Should this be mentioned anywhere like in trivia? Dark Ridley 19:06, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If you went to the Sith Master or Sith apprentice article beforehand your question would have been answered. Steves490 19:13, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I was just wondering due to technically he didn't train an apprentice between Palpatines and then his own death, and that is a requirement. I know he had apprentices, but those were while Palpatine was still alive. Dark Ridley 19:19, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * He shouldn't be considered a Sith Master because when he grabed Palpatine and threw him in the Death Star's core, he ceased to be a Sith and was once again a Jedi. QuiGonJinn (Comlink)[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|25px]]19:48, 14 October 2008 (UTC)