Talk:Droideka/Legends

Where's the Shield?
How come none of the Destroyer Droids turn their shield on Geonosis (or in Episode II), but they turn them on every where else? In fact, they say Destroyer Droids are so deadly, even Jedi should beware, but before Obi-Wan capture San Hill on Muunilinst, Destroyer Droids came and didn't turn them on, there fore Obi-Wan destroyed them like they where nothing. Double D 23:16, 11 Oct 2005 (UTC)

The reason they didn't put their shields on is because of the story line of all the movies joining together. They can't have Obi-wan die, because that will ruin the whole story. -No, it was because that place was full of droids. Shields would of have confused other droids andmaybe Dooku wanted hostages...or they didnt have enough money for all of them...
 * Please do not post in the middle of a discussion. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:56, 14 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, considering the WotC trading card game, the droideka series at Geonosis is a different series than the ones from TPM. Perhaps, some kinds of droidekas were used for special tasks, maybe some of them requiring no shields, thus converting that power into other neccisary systems. Just a guess. As for the Clone Wars series, well, not everything in the Clone Wars series is exactly up-to-par with the Galaxy far, far away. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:35, 11 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Probably because not all Droidekas have shield generators. Note that the ONLY destroyers with shields in the films were on the flagships of major figures (Viceroy Gunray and General Grievous respectively) and in the Theed Hangar to capture Queen Amidala. Any "infantry" droidekas (those on the ground at Naboo, at Geonosis, at Utapau etc) didn't have them or for some inexplicable reason didn't use them. The logical answer would be that not all droidekas have shield generators, only the elite squads.

I will continue putting "often' in front of "personal shield generators" because the films make it very clear that not all Droidekas have shield generators, regardless of what EU says.
 * Wrong. Just because they didn't use them does not mean that they didn't have them. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:28, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Give me a logical reason for them to not use their shield generators when in battle, against Jedi no less.
 * They are unable to move when they have the shields engaged, and it takes time to engage them, time that is better spent using their actual weapons. It's fairly simple. QuentinGeorge 01:24, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Plus, they are up against (at the time) Jedi without lightsabers. Therefore, stop messing with the article. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:48, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Ah yes, less than a second to engage them, that's waaaaay too much time. And oh, they can move with them, TPM and ROTS demonstrate this quite well.
 * They move very slowly with them. When they roll, the shields are disabled. QuentinGeorge 03:49, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)


 * they move very slowly in walking mode regardless of whether the shields are on or not. They can't fight at all when in ball config.There's no reason for them to be unfurled, ready to fight and not use their shield.--jerry

Jedi without lightsabers? Maybe you watched a different movie in which the 200 odd Jedi in the arena were saberless? They all had sabers. Messing with the page? I inserted one word and two commas that doesn't drastically change anything vital within the article. Hardly "messing with the page." --jerry 03:37, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Uhh...I suggest *you* watch the movie. Anakin and Obi-Wan were unarmed until they were *given* sabers. QuentinGeorge 03:49, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * SO What!?! Watch the Arena sequence if you don't know what I'm talking about! There are over 200 Jedi fighting with droids. ALL of the Droidekas we see do not have shields activated. When the Clones arrive we see shieldless Droidekas being blown up and fleeing the battle. If they have shields, why not activate them?--jerry
 * Might I state that you have surpassed your three reverts for the day. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:33, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, here's how I see it: Battlefront, Republic Commando, and Battlefront II only show droidekas with shields. But that could easily be dismissed as a gameplay mechanic. The lack of shields in AotC and Clone Wars strongly implies that some of theme didn't have shields, per Jerry. I think we can resolve this with some weasel words, and a note in the Behind the Scenes section. Also, The New Essential Guide to Droids will hopefully resolve this. -LtNOWIS 08:23, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, here's an answer to why the droidekas didn't use their shields in AotC&mdash;when the Jedi had no lightsabers, they didn't need them. Also, when the Jedi did have lightsabers, the lightsabers were only used to deflect blaster fire. And when the gunships came, they just either blasted away at them or tried to roll away in the ball position. As for Clone Wars, it's an animated series. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:31, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)


 * I'd be happy with an addendum in the Behind the Scenes section (although I fail to see why "often" is unnacceptable, if anything it's generous. I doubt the NEGtD will say not all Droidekas have shields, the EU seems to be of the opinion that all droidekas do have shields. Besides, the EGs and NEGs are nototrious for repeating established errors and creating their own illogical material. --jerry


 * The Jedi were "only using the lightsabers to deflet blaster fire??" Uh, no. The fighting in the background clearly shows Jedi chopping droids to pieces with their sabers, not just deflecting blaster fire. Even if they were just deflecting fire, why should the Droidekas not have thier shields up? They are easily felled by blaster fire when unshielded (see the Battle of Naboo). --jerry 16:10, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, when the Jedi were outnumbered, they were only deflecting blaster fire. And the deflected blaster fire went about randomly, so there was no need for the droidekas to have their shields up. Admiral J. Nebulax 16:13, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * You ignore my post. When the Jedi were outnumbered in the arena we can see them chopping droids to tiny bits, so they were not only deflecting blaster fire. And I saw a number of Jedi deflecting bolts in a controlled manner, not just indiscriminantly deflecting them at random.--jerry

I'm not hardheaded. If you show me sufficient evidence I will concede the point. --jerry
 * As per when the gunships and clones arrived, you just reiterated what I said. Why should they just sit there and be blown up or run away if they can just turn on their shields? You're rationale here is making little sense.
 * No, it's making perfect sense. You just fail to see that they can have shields and not use them. Admiral J. Nebulax 16:13, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Again you ignore the body of my comment. Why should the droids just sit there and let the clones blow them up, and/or run away if they have shields?


 * In the ROTS novelisation, we're told that Droideka shields, when met with an obstacle, will simply ramp up the power to stop/disintigrate it. In the book, this comes in handy when the Hand's gravity screws up- the shields come in contact with walls and floor, and ramp up the power so much they blow out. Perhaps, then, the reason for not using them in battle situations is because they can be forced to blow out too easily? If the droid gets knocked over, the shield will go *poof*. Just a suggestion.--Fade 16:53, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * If it were that simple then why didn't Qui and Obi or Obi and Ani just Force Push the shielded Droidekas they encountered into the walls until they explode? It must more complicated than simple contact. --jerry


 * Anyway, until some canon source says one way or another, I suggest simply mentioning it in Behind the scenes. --Fade 16:53, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Even though I feel that it is self-evident in the films, I'd be happy with that. --jerry
 * Also, Jerycurl, you completely fail to see what I said. And as for having it in the "Behind the scenes", that will be the only place to see it. Admiral J. Nebulax 19:54, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Well why don't you enlighten me on what you are talking about? As I said, if you offer up sufficient evidence I'll concede the point. As it is, your evidence hasn't been much to stand on, unless I have grossly misinterpreted what you are saying. If I have, I apologize and request you to set the record straight.
 * I just want to point out that the Databank says: "The destroyer droid can completely envelope itself in a globe of protective energy via its compact deflector shield generators." in my opinion, that implies that all Droideka's can shield themselves. Sith Lord 20:18, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Exactly, which is why Jerrycurl's "..., often,..." is pointless. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:25, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Why do y'all seem to think that the Databank is the omniscient power that be which governs everything in the Star Wars Saga? It's simply a compilation of EU materials and new data written by the Admin for the Official Site. It generally has no more authority than any other EU source. It says that Droidekas all have shields because that's what EU sources say. EU's accuracy on this point is exactly what I am bringing into question. The movies strongly suggest that not all droidekas have shields. Nebulax has stated some reasons as to why these droids have them, but don't activate them. I refuted the points and all he says in reply is "you have completely failed to see what I've said" as if that fixes everything. If you have better evidence let me see it. --jerry
 * Jerrycurl, the official site's databank is more of a source than any other EU source, despite a few minor items. And what you think is definitely not acceptable for this Wikicity. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:14, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * So the films are no longer the highest source? The Databank is like an encyclopedia of sorts, a compilation of film and EU data. Believe me I know that baseless personal opinions hold no place here, but this matter of not all droidekas being shielded is hardly a personal baseless opinion. It is a matter entirely based on the films which is the highest canon. I have brought up several instances in the filmic canon where Droidekas should have used shields but didn't. I used these instances to support the fact that not all Droidekas are equipped with shields. You and several others made counter-points, which I refuted. Now you are dodging all my requests to help me understand your position and further this discussion. Just because I'm a newcomer doesn't mean I'm an idiot. I expect at least common courtesy, which I feel I have given you all. --jerry 21:40, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * The quote I gave from the Databank was from the "The Movies" section of the Droideka entry, not the EU section, therefore, the information was based on the movies, not the EU. Sith Lord 21:46, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * And how does someone watcxhing the films reach that conclusion? The films don't support that conclusion.
 * Jerrycurl, it's the Official Site Databank for God's sake! If you're not happy with it, go create your own little databank to address what you think is right. The Databank is on the same level with the films as far as canon goes, but the Databank is where the official canon is stated. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:07, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I would like to apologize for being somewhat belligerant on this issue. I understand that Wikipedia is not for speculation. No matter how accurate said speculation may be, it is still speculation. I would be more than happy if a summary of this issue be posted in a BTS section.--jerry 16:21, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Makes you wonder why Obi-Wan bothered to remark on them having shields in Episode I, though, if they all have shields. He might as well have been surprised they had blasters. Also, as another interesting note, droidekas attacked Aurra Sing in The Hunt for Aurra Sing. Afterwards, the owner of the dekas says that if they'd wanted to kill Aurra, the droids would have been shielded. --Fade 16:28, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, standard-issue Trade Federation droidekas probably were equipped with shields. Admiral J. Nebulax 16:33, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I read somewhere that shields were so expensive, only high-security units were equipped with them. Hence why the Jedi were surprised to see the shields on them in the first place. never mind the fact that Gungans fought hand-to-hand with droidekas during the Battle of Naboo, while Jedi fought them with lightsabres in the Geonosian arena. None of these units had any shields. VT-16 17:10, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * At least activated shields. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:36, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't feel like going through this again, Nebulax has made it quite clear that until a published statement is found nothing will be changed in the body of the article albiet in a BTS section. If VT-16 has found a source than maybe we can finally settle this.--jerry 22:30, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is such a source. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:46, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * "-No, it was because that place was full of droids. Shields would of have confused other droids andmaybe Dooku wanted hostages...or they didnt have enough money for all of them...". Did you even look at what was right under it? I had just said "Don't post in the middle of a discussion". Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 18:21, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Manufacturer?
The Colicoids built these things, which would imply that Colicoid Creation Nest built them. The Star Wars: Republic Commando flash website indicates that they were built by a Colicoid Manufacturing, but that only recieves 3 Google hits. -LtNOWIS 22:42, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Stay with Colicoid Creation Nest. It's more official. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:43, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Do we have a source that states the droidekas were created by the Creation Nest? Or is it only conjecture? If so, it'll have to be Colicoid Manufacturing, since the Republic Commando website is canon - Kwenn 22:44, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe there are sources for Colicoid Creation Nest being its creator. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:46, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

W Droideka?
Someone tried to create the article "W Droideka", and filled it with copyvio text from the Databank. If W Droideka is the correct full name, though, this article needs to be moved. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 17:59, 6 April 2006 (PDT)
 * No. There are different series of droidekas, like the Q Series and possibly a W Series (I suppose), however. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 18:02, 6 April 2006 (PDT)
 * OK. Can someone fix W Droideka then? &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 01:06, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * According to Wizards of the Coast, these are the following series of droidekas:
 * P Series
 * Q Series
 * There could be more that I missed, however, but I doubt there's a W Series. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:07, 7 April 2006 (UTC)


 * if there is and if there isn't it's fixed. Don't revert it, as you do with most articles I edit. RC-1187 01:13, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * You mean the W Droideka article? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:46, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Because they're no source for it. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:47, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The P, Q, and W series are all named in Wizard's TCG game; the P-series is in the "Attack of the Clones" expansion and isa the type used on the Saak'ak; the W-series in the "Sith Rising Expansion" and is the type used at Geonosis; the Q-series is in the "Revenge of the Sith Expansion" and is the type on Invincible Hand; the three series are outwardly identical, I think, and must represent small manufacturing or programming differences.JustinGann 10:19, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I personally think they should be in subsections in the article, since there's not a lot of information on any series. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:33, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Speech capabilities?
I'm pretty sure you can hear them say something in Ep III. When they roll down the halls of the Invisible Hand when our heroes are in the ray shield. But I can't tell if they are speaking Basic, and saying "Coming through coming through" or something, or if it's droidspeak gibberish. &mdash; Aiddat (Holonet) (Contribs Log) 01:50, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's Basic, but I do here something. Perhaps it's in Colicoid? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:42, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It would make sense if they were equipped to speak Colicoid. But at least we know they had vocoders, if we didn't know that before. &mdash; Aiddat (Holonet) (Contribs Log) [[Image:NewRepublic.png|20px]] 19:40, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * They were supposed to speak in Episode I. I think the novel still carries some dialogue. One unit, presumably in Basic, tells another to "switch to bio" during the hunt for the Jedi - Kwenn 19:51, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I doubt the dialogue would have been in Basic, though. It just seems more likely to me that it's Colicoid. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:12, 16 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The subtitles on the RotS DVD claim the droideaks are "[Speaking Droid Language]", so it was presumably intended to be gibberish. However, I'm inclined to think it's Droidspeak as opposed to a Colicoid language; all other battle droids (including the IG-100s in the novel) speak Basic, as do the Neimoidians, so I don't see why the droidekas would not have this capability - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:55, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect quote
The NEGTD is wrong. Go watch TPM again. It is clearly the Saak'ak pilot that says "We have them on the run, sir," and Rune Haako who says, "They're no match for droidekas." And the film takes higher canon precidence over the NEGTD. - JMAS 22:15, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I concur with the honorable delegation from the JMAS system. Cutch 23:22, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm 99.99% certain I am correct. But I'm going to confirm this tonight, after which I will change it back. - JMAS 23:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, TNEGtD says otherwise, JMAS. And I've never even heard the line "We have them on the run, sir" in Episode I. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:59, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I realized that is how the NEGTD puts the quote. I have the book. But it is incorrect insomuch as it doesn't match the movie. As I said, I'll watch the movie, with subtitles on, and confirm it tonight. =) - JMAS 00:20, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, like I said, I never even heard the first part, no matter who actually said it. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 00:21, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, I watched it. Jack, you're right. The first part isn't said in the movie. The part I was thinking was the pilot/crewman who said "They've gone up the ventilation shaft." But it was Rune Haako who said, "They're no match for Droidekas." And, since Nute Gunray clearly wouldn't call Rune Haako, "sir," we must assume that the first part of this quote then is some misc crewman. I'm gonna change the quote accordingly. We'll just have to go on the basis that the quote is a hybrid from the novelization (someone please confirm) and the film. - JMAS 13:05, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * So far, you haven't given any proof to back up your claim. Since I have, I'm reverting it. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * If it's any help, the novel simply has Haako saying "we have them on the run", though the second part of the quote is not spoken at all in this version - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:51, 19 January 2007 (UTC)