Talk:Sith'ari

Anakin Skywalker does not meet the requirements as he was never truly freed from all limitation (even counting his union with the force after death) and he did not lead the sith as the Master Dark Lord of the Sith. Revan currently has not met the criteria for the Sith, however since he created a New Sith Order and created a holocron which helped Bane make the rule of 2 all he would have to do to become Sith'ari is to destroy the Old Sith Empire and achieve union with the Force. Personally while Bane meets the requirements best I don't favour him because he never displayed truly amazing power in the force and had human limits.

Is it possible that the Sith'ari is Revan?? Could there be some similarity as to be at least mentioned? MoffRebus 01:00, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * It was probably intended to be the Chosen One, but now that you mention it...-- SFH 05:39, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Unlikely, since Revan didn't destroy the sith. He killed Malak, yes, but there were other Sith Lords still around. QuentinGeorge 05:45, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)

How can the Sith'ari be The Chosen One anyway? The C.O. is Anakin, but he doesn't fit in the Sith'ari description at all. Only backwards MoffRebus 23:27, 17 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It's simple. Anakin destroyed the Sith (Dooku), making himself the apprentice, thus making the Sith stronger. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:08, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It's not 100% satisfying either. Dooku was not 'the Sith'. It would make sense to me if Anakin killed both Dooku and Palpatine at once, and then ascend the throne of the latter on his own, but this isn't the case. MoffRebus 07:08, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It's from a certain point of view. He killed a Sith (never said it had to be the master), and became a Sith. It's as simple as that. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:59, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * The text on this page simply says the Sith'ari destroys the Sith, but makes the Sith stronger beforehand. Doesn't mention the Sith'ari killing a Sith prior to his ascendancy. Is that official? - Kwenn
 * One assumes that if they destroy the Sith, they kill a Sith. Perhaps, instead of "the Sith", it could just mean "a Sith". Admiral J. Nebulax 22:25, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Anakin can't be the sith'ari because he did not lead the Sith anew. The prophecy says that the sith'ari would wipe out his competition, then lead a new, stronger breed of Sith to destroy the Jedi. It seems to me that all signs point to either Sadow or Bane...
 * I think Anakin could be the Sithari, because as a Sith he sees them destroy the Jedi, but in the end he and Palpatine die, which is the destruction of the Sith. Or something. Hurhrm. --ChristheGreat 01:40, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The Jedi Exile could be the Sith'ari for all we know... DAWUSS 00:46, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Not likely. And please don't restart old topics. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:55, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Evil Never Dies
Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties reveals Sith'ari means "the Lord" or "Overlord". More fuel to stoke the idea that it's Palpatine being referred to, rather than Anakin. Adas and Palpatine share a number of similarities, despite the King's cosmetic connection with Vader - Kwenn 09:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly, I'd like the reference to Anakin taken out of the IU section entirely, since it is entirely fanon, and suppositional based on guessing the authorial intent. QuentinGeorge 09:52, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Seconded. It was the same deal with the Son of the Suns thing being automatically equated with the Chosen One. Anakin destroys the Sith, yes, but he's not a perfect being, and doesn't bring them to full strength. If anything, that's referring to Sidious. However, it may even have been referring back to Adas, and there hasn't actually been another Sith'ari, as prophecied in KotOR - Kwenn 11:04, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * We should definitely remove everything that says "Anakin = Sith'ari" due to this. Palpatine is probably the Sith'ari. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:12, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * But as with Anakin, there's no proof Palpatine is the Sith'ari either, though it is a more likely assumption. As I said, the prophecy may not even have been fulfilled - Kwenn 11:21, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've removed Skywalker from the text and expanded the BtS section - Kwenn 11:25, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I wish that someone would have said who the Sith'ari was when they came up with it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * have you read path of destruction? it heavily implies that bane is the sith'ari--Black Jack Scarron 01:51, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Have you read your own message? "heavily implies" doesn't make it canon. [[Image:DarthAbeonisSig2.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 08:32, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Not to mention you're bumping an extremely old topic. 08:41, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

KotOR
How is this refrenced in KotOR? Revan 22:09, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe the prophecy is metioned in the game. But I don't have it myself. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:10, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I have the game and beat it, and I dont see no refrences Revan 22:14, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps someone else saw it. Let's wait for confirmation. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:17, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * When Revan attempts to gain access to the Sith Academy he has to talk with Yuthura Ban, it is she who tells Revan about the Sith'ari Jasca Ducato 10:45, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:50, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Balance to the Force?
What? This is a completely unfounded assumption unless new information outside of KotOR has been provided.

"The legends say that the Sith'ari will destroy us and also make us stronger than ever"

You can draw some parallels to the idea of the Chosen One, but there is NOTHING about bringing balance to the Force in there. If anything, it more accurately describes Darth Bane, who destroys the Sith Order as it had stood (an Order of many), and reshapes it into the Order of Two, making it stronger than ever. Or even the Exile, who's nature fits in perfectly with the final line of the Sith Code "The Force shall free me".

Speculation about its relation to the Chosen One prophesy is fine, but saying that it talks about bringing balance to the Force is BS as far as I can tell.

In addition to the quote now at the top of the page, this is what is said about the Sith'Ari:


 * Yuthura Ban: That is our ideal at any rate. It is said in Sith legend that the Sith'ari, the perfect being will one day lead us but perhaps that is just a legend.
 * Yuthura Ban: I wonder what that being would be like. The legends say the Sith'ari will destroy us and make us stronger than ever.

Nothing about bringing balance to the Force, see?

Now it's probably correct to assume that this is the Sith take on the Chosen One prophesy, but lets stick to the facts.

(195.92.168.170 12:05, 24 January 2006 (UTC))

Has anyone thought about Palpatine? He did manage to conqure the galaxy. Also, it could be said that by corrupting Anakin, he set the stage for the destruction of the Sith twenty years later.

In light of the new info coming from Legacy, could Jacen be the Sith'ari? Anakin did not destroy the Sith because one of his Alcolytes, Lumiya, survived and was trained in the Sith arts so the Sith were continued. What if Jacen destroys Lumiya and reinvents the Sith in his new vision of Gray, therefore destroying them and making them stronger. Just a theory. Stinkywookie 19:54, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

"Only two there are; no more, no less."

- A certain little grren guy everybody loves

The only Sith were Sidious and Vader, Lumiya was a Dark Jedi, even if she claimed to be a Sith. Vader was the last true Sith, unless u count Luke when he became the Reborn Emperor's apprentice. Jasca Ducato 20:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

True, but it is commonly believed that Sith apprentices tend to start training their apprentices before they destroy their master. Sith are not known for following the rules ;)Stinkywookie 20:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * We already know Anakin failed, since Palpatine returned. I don't think Jacen would be the Sith'ari, but I don't think the Chosen One and the Sith'ari were the same, especially with Star Wars: Legacy. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Anakin didnt fail. Nothing said that the balance or Sith's destruction was permanent.
 * In a way, he failed as the Chosen One but he succeeded as the Sith'ari. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:03, 15 Jun 2006 (UTC)

I have the solution
The Chosen one and the Sith'ari are the same. Let me explain:
 * The Chosen One is said to bring balance to the force by destroying the Sith, who are believed to be the cause of the unbalance.
 * The Sith'ari is said to destroy the Sith, but make them more powerful than ever.

Now, we know that the first one came true, but about the second:

"A prophecy that misread, could have been."--Yoda

The Sith'ari made the Sith more powerful before destroying them. Nowhere in the game does it specifically say that he made them more powerful through the destruction at all. Yuthura only happened to mention this part second, and even if she meant it like that, she still could have misread the prophecy.
 * A lot of "could have"s there. There's no proof they are one and the same. It could be argued that Sidious is the Sith'ari: his actions make the Sith strong, but since he also turns Anakin to the dark side and attempts to kill Luke, he's partly responsible for their eventual downfall - Kwenn 19:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, anon: When Anakin killed Palpatine and died, he destroyed the Sith, but they later returned stronger in the form of the Legacy era Sith. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:46, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Erm, its pretty much consensus alredy that they're the same. But like Kwenn said, theirs no definitve proof. As as for Yuthura, she does say in-game that its through their destruction that he makes them stronger. Jasca Ducato 20:48, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * And why did you remove what I wrote? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:49, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Who, me? Jasca Ducato 20:55, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:58, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't! Oh wait, sorry, i was editing the page at the same time. Thought it was the anon again. Jasca Ducato 21:00, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, there's that problem when you're editing past edits&mdash;it deletes every change in the edits after that one. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:37, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thought I'd point out a recent post over at TF.N, wherein Abel apparently agrees with my opinion that the Chosen One, the Sith'ari and the Son of the Suns are three separate concepts - Kwenn 22:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That does seem pretty logical. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Seperate

 * Maybe anikan is the chosen one and revan is the sithari or the other way around.
 * There's no indication that ANYONE is the Sith'ari other than Adas. It seems more like a legend which mutated into a "prophecy". QuentinGeorge 03:44, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it does seem like that. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:42, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It also seems like that, seeing as the developers (Bioware) constantly attempted to connect the game to the movies (by adding distant relatives and commenting on "possible" future actions) that it does refer to Anakin. Also, what indication is there that Adas was the Sith'ari? Jasca Ducato Sith Council (Sith campaign)[[Image:SOFD.PNG|20px]] 14:35, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * While I know articles are not sources, it says that it was inspired from the legend of Adas. Where exactly did that come from? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:48, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * "Evil Never Ends" ;)--Sauron18 18:32, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:31, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Revan isn't a candidate, technically neither is Vader. There Can Be Only One.)
Ok. I'm a Revan fanboy, but I'm sorry, he simply *isn't* the Sith'ari.

"The Sith'ari will destroy us, and make us stronger than ever".

Notice how it's not, "The Sith'ari will make us stronger than ever and then destroy us"?

Unless we find out that Revan returns to the dark side and takes over the True Sith or something, he's simply *not* a candidate.

Likewise, I am a Vader fanboy, but he is not a candidate either. Whilst one can STRETCH and claim that his destroying of the Sith wound up making them "stronger than ever" (remains to be seen, Krayt's sith are repeating the mistakes of the past), he NEVER "led the Sith", as the Sith'ari is supposed to do.

The most likely candidate is Darth Bane, especially considering such a BIG FRIGGIN DEAL is made about the Sith'ari in Path of Destruction, and especially since he fits the criteria perfectly.

There's no having to stretch, or having to wait a hundred years.


 * 1) He actually does DESTROY the Sith.
 * 2) He then goes on to make them stronger than ever. Unlike Revan.
 * 3) He goes on to lead the Sith. Unlike Vader

I mean, come on, Drew invented the concept of the Sith'ari and then deliberately ensures that it's Darth Bane who gives Kaan the Thought Bomb? Makes sure that he keeps referencing how Bane wants to "destroy the brotherhood" and "rebuild the Sith".

2 + 2 people! :P


 * 1) Drew invents the Sith'ari prophesy in KotOR
 * 2) Drew writes Path of Destruction and constantly references the Sith'ari prophesy
 * 3) Drew insures that Darth Bane fits criteria of said prophesy perfectly
 * 4) Voila.

Therefore, instead of having Darth Bane tacked on the end as "another candidate". Can we accept that "the most likely candidate is Darth Bane, as he fulfilled every criteria of the prophesy to the letter"? (Ulicus 23:02, 6 October 2006 (UTC)) Allow me to list the full thing as we know it:
 * Sorry, but I don't think so&mdash;that's your opinion. Cutch 23:54, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Your opinions aren't canon. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:05, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, I'm SORRY. I'll wait until you've read the book and had it forced down your throats then. No biggie. It is however, a misrepresentation to refer to Anakin as the "most popular" candidate as well. But since that suports YOUR positions I'm sure that's alright isn't it? I'm not saying we should call Bane the Sith'ari, just state that he is the only person who actually fits every criteria. Whatever. (Ulicus 02:35, 7 October 2006 (UTC))

"The Sith'ari, the perfect being, will one day lead us." "I wonder what such a being would be like. The legends say that the Sith'ari will destroy us and make us stronger than ever"

Cannot be Vader. Just can't. Hell, I should be demanding that you take references to him out of the article completely, but I'm not because I'm (generally) a compromising sort.

If I'd said, "Yeah, Bane is the Sith'ari and that's what the article should say", I'd understand your postion. All I'm asking for is some acknowledgement of the fact that as far as we know, Bane is the most likely candidate. Maybe we'll get more information in Legacy that proves that Krayt is the Sith'ari beyond a shadow of a doubt, maybe we won't. I'm just suggesting that we work with what we have.

At the minute, we just have fanon rubbish that's shoehorning the Sith'ari and Chosen One prophesies together.

(Ulicus 02:47, 7 October 2006 (UTC)) How is saying that so far Darth Bane is the only known person to literally fulfill every single (known) aspect of the prophesy a cause for concern?
 * (of course, I meant to write "position", goddamn the hour of the day!) And, oh yeah, I'm aware that the title on the discussion page is all "there can be only one", but I'm not actually suggesting that only Darth Bane should be mentioned, just that he should be acknowledged as the only person (thusfar) who does actually fit all the criteria. (Ulicus 02:53, 7 October 2006 (UTC))
 * But that is just your opinion. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:27, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I am off the opinion that Luke SKywalker is the Sith'ari, he destroyed the Sith and then returned to lead them in 10-11 ABY. So he's gotta be the Sith'ari&hellip;&hellip;&hellip;not. Opinions do not count. Jasca Ducato Sith Council (Sith campaign) 17:59, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Therefore, the article should stay as is. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:10, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Neither Darth Vader nor Luke *ever* led the Sith. That isn't an opinion! It is objective fact:

Vader never led the Sith. How can you prove me wrong? He didn't. Luke never led the Sith. How can you prove me wrong? He didn't.

Oh never mind. This is ridiculous. I don't know why even I bother trying to use reason in a place that is clearly devoid of it. Anakin should be removed simply because he never led the Sith. End of discussion. I know a lot of people want to make the Sith'ari and Chosen One prophesies the same, but they're just not. OK? It was a lovely bit of fanon for a lot of people, but it was, is and has always been fanwankery. Get over it.

We have much more information on this prophesy than on the chosen one prophesy, and Anakin doesn't fulfill every aspect, so how can it be him? Unless a "full version" is released, and it's not specific about the "leadership" aspect, Vader simply can't be the Sith'ari. He's the Chosen One, a being that both the Jedi and the Sith were keen to claim as their own. (Palps thought it would lead to a thousand years of the dark side ruling the light, the Jedi believed it would lead to the destruction of the Sith). It's like saying that because the coming of John the Baptist was prophesised, that he must be Jesus Christ because the coming of the Christ was prophesised.

Ah, bugger it. Bane's got a mention and it'll do. It's not perfect, but what is here? ("Nothing" is the correct answer, by the way)

CBA.

Peace.(Ulicus 23:33, 7 October 2006 (UTC)) "I'm just saying that there's no source for him being the Sith'ari. Is there a problem with me doing so?"
 * Why are you getting so worked up over us telling you that your personal opinions don't have any canon standing? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:36, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Did you not read his post or something? He's provided canon facts, not "opinion".  Seriously, it's in the second sentence. - Lord Hydronium 00:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Jack, I've asked you before, and I'll ask you again. Please do not aggressively berate people on talk pages when they offer a clearly stated opinion on some issue that has bearing on the article. If you want to speak canon, the only figure explictly named as a Sith'ari is Adas - anyone else - Vader, Revan, Bane - are purely suppositional. That being said, as Ulicus as shown, Bane clearly fits the criteria far better than any of these other candidates and, all things considered, authorial intent makes it likely that Darth Bane was the intended Sith'ari. QuentinGeorge 00:09, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * But that's still just an opinion. It has not been stated in canon who is exactly the Sith'ari, correct? Therefore, everything is just speculation. And Lord Hydronium, I was referring to the fact that there's no source for Bane being the Sith'ari. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:15, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * When you manage to find the part where I say that we should write "Darth Bane is the Sith'ari" I'll give you my life savings.(Ulicus 00:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC))
 * Jack, no one is saying that Bane is the Sith'ari. Capice? QuentinGeorge 00:28, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Where did I say that he said Bane was the Sith'ari? I merely said there's no source for that. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:32, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The only reason you'd need to "be referring to the fact that there's no source for Bane being the Sith'ari" is if someone was trying to write that Bane was the Sith'ari. No-one is. You're confusing me.(Ulicus 00:39, 8 October 2006 (UTC))
 * I'm just saying that there's no source for him being the Sith'ari. Is there a problem with me doing so? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:40, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Why are you defending the current version of the article Jack? Darth Bane makes sense as a candidate and he fits the criteria. The other two figures mentioned in the BtS section, Revan and Vader, really should not even be mentioned at all because they don't fit the legend's known requirments. Attempting to tie those two characters to the Sith'ari legend is fanon speculation.– 00:49, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

In the context in which you did it, yes.

You said, quite rudely, that "[my] personal opinions don't have any canon standing", indicating that the main point I was trying to make (that Bane fits the criteria the best out of all the mentioned "candidates" and that this should be stated in the article) was a load of crap and, not only that, that I was trying to put my "personal opinion" into the article, rather than canon.

The best candidate for Sith'ari IS Bane. Given what we know of the canon (we may come to know more), neither Revan or Anakin can possibly be actual candidates. The canon tells us that the Sith'ari will lead the Sith. Vader doesn't. The canon tells us that the Sith'ari will "destroy [them]" and "make [them] sronger than ever". From what we know of Revan's story, he doesn't. He just "destroys" them. (Though actually, it could be stretched that he makes them stronger than ever through his training of Darth Bane through the holocron... Anakin is ruled out completely though).

Then, when Lord Hydronium called you on it, you said you were "referring to the fact that there's no source for Bane being the Sith'ari".

That is what you used as your defence for stating that what I wrote was rubbish. For that to be an actual defence, I would have had to have suggested that Darth Bane should flat out be called the Sith'ari in the article. I didn't.

How can you now turn around and tell us that it had nothing to do with what I was saying at all? Are you suggesting that you were just stating it because it's true? Nonense. It IS true, but you were using it to "dismiss" my claims, and it simply doesn't work in such a capacity.

All I have ever wanted is acknowledgement that with our current level of knowledge (which is the canon until we're told otherwise) of the PROPHESY (rather than the ancient title) of the Sith'ari, Bane is the most likely candidate, since he ticks every single box. You want a source? Read Darth Bane: Path of Destruction. (Ulicus 01:10, 8 October 2006 (UTC))
 * I can see that nothing I say can be taken the way I meant it to be, so there's no reason for me to even look at this discussion any more. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:45, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Genetically perfect

 * Uh, yeah, we can call Anakin "genetically perfect". He was conceived by the midichlorians. Cutch 14:46, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * So what, if someone says he doesn't look nice, then he's not perfect. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 19:06, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That's a pretty weak retort, in my opinion. The movies go to great pains to explain that he is "perfect", at least from a Force-created perspective. Cutch 03:10, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * In your opinion maybe, but it proves a point. If you mention that its from a "Force-created" perspective then i'm cool with it. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 12:14, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Darth Bane
I recently finished Darth Bane: Path of Destruction and changed the article to include more of the Brotherhood and 'im, as he seems the most likely candidate and its alluded to in the book. He fits the profile more than the bad-actor "Chosen One" spiel. Someone else add some quotes; I checked it out from the library and had to return it.--Vladius Magnum

Anyone think Sidious might be it?
Since there's so many different candidates, I thought he fit the part as well. He's free from any restriction, becoming ruler of the galaxy and surviving death after death. He ultimately destroyed the order by intending to rule alone, only replacing his subordinate now and then, and also underestimated Vader's connection to his family rather than the Order, thus leading to its downfall and eventual resurrection. He did all things required by the prophesy, even more so than Vader. VT-16 22:38, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Not Palpatine. If anything, its either Vader, or Bane. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 09:07, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Urg. From the information we have regarding the Sith, the ONLY candidate is Bane. More candidates might arise at some point, but the whole "Anakin/Vader" is the Sith'ari thing is just fanwank. It would be like me saying, "Yeah, Revan is the Chosen one even though he is said to have had a mother and father and the Chosen One is supposed to be an immaculate conception." I think it's pretty bloody telling that Palpatine makes NO MENTION of the Sith'ari ideal in his inner monologue dealing with Anakin in Dark Lord, instead thinking on his *own personal* "intpretation of the Chosen One prophesy, which is a different thing alltogether. Likewise, it's not likely to be Revan if the Sith are still looking for the Sith'ari in 1000 BBY now is it?(Ulicus 18:19, 15 November 2006 (UTC))

Darth (Jacen)
I hate to be a spoilsport but here's the thing, - (Maybe) Darth Revan can only be the Sith'ari if he either returns to lead the Sith or the prophecy can occur in reverse order. - (NO) Darth Bane does not remove the limits on his power and is far from being a "perfect being". -(NO!)Darth Sidious does not directly destroy the Sith, so unless he returns to life,sigh, yet again he cannot be the Sith'ari. -(NO!!)Darth Vader does not lead the Sith, and the Sith'ari it says will cast off his bonds and break all chainsm, Anakin may be born near perfect but he is reduced to 1/2 full power before he can gain mastery of the force -(N/A...yet) in LOTF: Sacrifice Jacen will become a Sith Lord, it is possible that he may fullful the conditions of the prophecy, unlikely but possible.