Talk:SuperShadow

VfD
On April 28, 2005, this article was nominated for deletion. The result was Keep. See Votes for deletion/SuperShadow for a record of the discussion. -- Riffsyphon1024 05:49, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

It seems that SS is now jabbering about a second sequel trilogy (Episodes X, XI, and XII) being "made" by himself...--Spanky The Dolphin 09:12, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * If that is so, then it must be noted to prevent even further chaos. -- Riffsyphon1024 19:36, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree, SS can't make his own sequel trilogy, unless they are all fanfare movies.This chaos must be stopped before it begins.Purplesaber 42
 * Has anyone read this guys "interviews" with George Lucas...I think its pretty obvious he wrote it all himself, I'm not even sure if people send in actual requests or he makes it all up. User:RushinSundaws
 * They are real letters, i sent one in to see if they were real and it was put up. Even though the answer was wrong! Jasca Ducato

Scary
It scares me that this is one of our best articles. :) QuentinGeorge 02:20, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I know what you mean. This page gets more hits on Wookiepedia than Coruscant, Thrawn, and Darth Bane--hallmarks of the Expanded Universe he pretends is non canonical. --User:SFH
 * The only good info I ever found on his page was a map he ripped off of nav-computer.com (without giving any credit) and a list of sentient species that he copied and pasted off MY Catalogue of Sentient Species in theforce.net's lit forums (I'm Senator Cilghal over there). So I feel a kinship with Cartographer (maker of nav-computer), a respectable and polite feloow fan with whom I have shared many emails concerning possible planet placements and whose map is by far the best available (even outclassing official maps available at present), b/c we are both victims of SuperShadow.  When SuperShadow did this to me, I did not mind my list being copied at all, just that he did not even give me so much as a nod of appreciation towards me and the other forumfolk whom helped me compile it!  And Cartographer, apparently, even wrote him an email saying he didn't mind the map being mirrored, and just wanted credit.  By that time, I had heard all about SS's reputation at the forums, and found out my complaint of piracy was nothing new, and I had checked out his site and seen how dishonest he was, so I didn't even bother writing the guy, since it would have done NO good.  There's nothing wrong with fanfiction (which was essentially what most of his content was), except that he tried to act as if it was canon, privy info.  "Bad form!" to quote James T. Hook.  "Bad form!" -- JustinGann
 * SS is a disgrace to the SW community. I wish he would do something better with his life, like work for the tabloids, which I'm sure he'd be good at. About Carty, if given full credit, would he let us use his maps at all? -- Riffsyphon1024 20:59, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * We know SS is a disgrace to the Star Wars community. But a thought comes to mind. Does Cartographer have exclusive rights to that specific map? If he does, he might be able to threaten SS with legal action. Not that I'm actively advocating this. It was just a thought. --User:SFH
 * I'm sure he wouldn't mind us using his maps if we asked him first and gave him credits, like a link to his website within the article. I'll ask him. (Unsigned comment by User:JustinGann)
 * We already link to his website on the article on the Galaxy. That shouldn't be much of a problem. --User:SFH

Zam
More evilness to add to the delusions list. Mr. Idiot claims that Zam is a MALE Clawdite who cane change gender when "he" transforms. Also, "Kaja Sinis" can result from the random name generator. Stealing from KotOR? Low, Mickey, low...

Khameir Sarin

 * Star Wars Timeline Gold confirms that "Khameir Sarin" is Maul's real name:


 * The name comes from the foreign editions of the Virtual Encyclopedia (I’m assuming the Insider’s Guide). It was cut from the English edition, but made it through to be officially “printed” in the foreign markets.


 * So there ya go. MarcK 06:56, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...does that make it canon, though? Regardless, someone should update the Khameir Sarin page. QuentinGeorge 06:58, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * If it indeed made it into foreign printings "accidentally", then it isn't canon, as no cut content is canon. But I think the article Khameir Sarin should be left as is and a notice about these foreign versions should be included into Darth Maul's BTS section. - Sikon 08:06, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Is the name "canon"? Or was it fanon that foreign translations picked up on? I understood it was officially abandonned, if it had ever been legit. --McEwok 15:27, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)


 * Probably not.

Airline Tickets?
Who deleted everything on this page and replaced it with airline ticket links of some kind? I hate vandalism!
 * I reverted it, but I had to remove the petitionsonline.com link due to it triggering a spam filter of some sort. StarNeptune 15:06, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, i had no idea the petitionsonline.com link would trigger the spam filter, wont happen again. Thanks for sorting it out StarNeptune. Jasca Ducato 18:20, 4 Sep 2005 (UTC)

See Spam cleanup script for details. If you do need to link to something in the blacklist, you can link to via http://tinyurl.com/ instead. Angela (talk) 08:59, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Cannot add external link
I wanted to add a link to the petition http://www.petition0nline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?5551313 (found via Google), but the spam filter blocked it. :( (It is petitiononline, not petition0nline.) - Sikon [ Talk ] 10:55, 9 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I already attempted this (see discussion above), wiki does not need links to the petition site. Why it sets off the filter i still don't know, possibily because a virus might find its way into SWW!?! Jasca Ducato 10:57, 9 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we noticed this earlier. The petitiononline site is used by spambots and hence is blocked. QuentinGeorge 10:58, 9 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Featured
I've informed SuperShadow that this article has been featured. I wonder if it will be posted or not (most probably not, but at least SS will know about the article's existence :)). - Sikon [ Talk ] 07:14, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC) WHY, WHY is this Featured, it will only serve to make SS ego bigger then it is? please tell me this is a late April fools joke, or something???? as Darth Vader said in ROTS "NNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO" sithlord123
 * The featured article. God, I think I'm goint to vomit. -- SFH 15:14, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Next thing you know, SS will have something in his Lucas Q&A that "star wars wiki is made of infidels who don't worship TPM" or something moronic like that. Demented Smiloid 15:16, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * More accurately, it will probably be "infidels who don't worship my contributions to TMP". -- SFH 15:40, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Or worse, that he'll claim he created this wiki. -- Riffsyphon1024 04:41, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, in part, it's featured so people are likely to look at the article and learn what a fraud he is. I'm a little queasy about having him on the front page myself, but if featuring his article means a handful of people decide not to add "Dantius" to the Palpatine article or to write a page about Darth Orcron, then it's done us a service. jSarek 17:43, 19 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * With an article exposing StupidShadow's lies featured on the main page, nobody has ANY excuse for editing articles to "correct" the names of "Dantius" Palpatine or "Jard" Dooku or other such stupidity. I'd really like to have a disclaimer at the bottom of the main page that says "insertion of SuperShadow-derived information will result in immediate and permanent banning," but having this as the featured article is a good step in the right direction. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  18:24, 19 Oct 2005 (UTC)

I'll 2nd that "insertion of SuperShadow-derived information will result in immediate and permanent banning," only if it can be proven that the person received the info direct from SS, (if they got it from another site that uses SS info it's not fair to punish the person permanently maybe leave them a notice) How about this:

1 time using SS info: 1 week banning (unless it's a major event like fake info about the TV show(s) or any Star Wars movies ie: 7, 8, 9 or a Special Special edition, then go to # 3)

2 times: banning for 1/2 year,

3 times: permanent banning

sithlord123
 * Wow. Way to give the newbies a chance to learn. I think that your solution a bit harsh. Sometimes people just don't know any better, and it's not a bad thing to cut a little slack and give them some gentle instruction. I know we have a least one or two contributors right now who first came submitting SuperShadow info. When we explained the situation, they stopped and began giving useful contributions. Permananent bans are really only for sustained, pigheaded malice or stupidity, not for brief outbursts or simple mistakes and foolishness. – Aidje talk 22:52, 19 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I may have been exaggerating. A little. Many people will have a natural reaction of shock and disgust once they realize they've been duped, and those are the people we want to keep. The ones who get indignant and argue about SuperStupid's canonicity, or the ones who ignore us and keep churning out crap--they're the ones we should kick out the nearest airlock. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  01:35, 20 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Aidje, I didn't mean to come across to harsh, it's my background, 5+ years as a Special Police Officer for the Department of Defense, when I say Special I don’t mean digitally remastered (although somedays I would like to be Digital remastered) :-)

No matter what we need to do something about SS, if by some chance someone that works for any of the companies based out of “Skywalker Ranch” including the following: Lucas Digital. Skywalker Sound, Industrial Light and Magic, Lucas Licensing, Lucas Learning, Lucas Books, LucasArts, Lucasfilm Animation, Lucas Online, I might be missing about a dozen others George Lucas has been very busy the last 50 years, he must have started at the age of 1:-) Views this site could be shut down or the owner sued as a result of the fake info that “GL Friend” claims to have. This might also include legal actions from the former companies that he owned as well: THX Ltd, Pixar Animation Studio.

I have a degree in Criminal Justice, granted I’m no lawyer, I was a Police Officer, but I remember some case studies, in my classes,that depending on the owner of the wronged party, people have been sued for posting false information on the net, most involved doctored photos of famous people but it does cover written info as well.

Granted from the interviews that I know came from reliable sources, well from Time and Newsweek, George Lucas does not sound like the type that would sue/shut down a harmless site like this because of one person but, he has other people running the daily operations of his company that might.

I know I’m new to the site, less the a month as a signed in user, but this site is outstanding with it’s detailing of one of the four greatest Sci-Fi sagas in history (see my user name site for the others, but they all starts with “Star”), for what it's worth, I will support whatever you decide, since it’s probably less strict then what I proposed above. sithlord123

Fool attempts to use SS in MB discussion...
...gets his @$$ royally kicked.

Thread here. :)


 * Haha, but he's not out yet! We need as many people as we can to spread the word! SS is a liar and a c*nt! he doesn't deserve to live! Jasca Ducato

All I can say about this guy is this: youlose.ytmnd.com Lord Patrick 08:05, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)

New Sequels
I was reading the Q&A (UNCLEAN! UNCLEAN!) and on the October 18 section, it said that there was now Episodes X through XII. All that was said was that R2 and 3PO would not be in those films. THAT IS IT! NO ONE MESSES...WITH...THE DROIDS! I vote we declare a state of ar'kai against Suttle. -- SFH 01:45, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC) SuperShadow indeed mentioned a second sequel trilogy, although he could never make those films. Without Lucas, Star Wars would be less realistic. Θ 15:01, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Support. Ar'kai is unfortunate, but he has proven it necessary. ;-) jSarek 02:13, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * You're right, its time for Ar'kai! Jasca Ducato 08:48, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * We shall crush him like the empire should have done to the rebels!Roosmacfan 20:46, 23 Oct 2005 (PST)
 * We shall ignore him in hopes that he goes away! &mdash; Silly Dan  03:52, 24 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * This is what George Lucas has to say about this: George Lucas: How sad. You are so poor that $ 5,000 dollars seems like a lot of money to you. I make more cash in a second than you will ever earn in a trillion life times. I doubt you are intelligent enough to know how to download Revenge of the Sith from the Net and distribute it to your friends. In fact, I bet you have a difficult time finding your way out of the bed in the morning. You are as incompetent as they come. I really do pity you and your useless existence. ...I'll bring the chaingun. Demented Smiloid 01:21, 30 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * You serious? Because if he really said that, I'll laugh til I died. -- Riffsyphon1024 05:56, 30 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * He did say that, after saying that Korriban had no real significance to the dark side. -- SFH 05:58, 30 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * And just before saying that without SuperShadow's awesome influence, there would be no Star Wars. So there ya go, folks - Kwenn

Image
Does anyone know where that image of him came from? I'm surprised that it was allowed to get out. There's a discussion at Wikipedia as to where a source proving that is him is. Adamwankenobi 13:03, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe we should follow the example of Wikipedia, and remove the photo until we have a source. I'm the least happy about this, but it only makes sense to have only pictures that are backed up by sources. CantorOrion 23:05, 22 Dic 2005 (UTC)

Quote and other stuff
Love the quote. And I can't believe he's taking credit for the tv shows. Love the quote again. -- Riffsyphon1024 22:35, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Personal Info

 * Um...I don't really think we should be posting the guy's ADDRESS AND PHONE NUMBER here. It's basically a license for people to harrass him. It should be taken out. QuentinGeorge 23:13, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I took it out...even though he deserves it. -- SFH 00:36, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Where did you get it from anyway?--Darth Mantus 18:29, 25 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * It was from the whois function. Someone sent the info to me on wikipedia. Adamwankenobi 01:37, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * And that someone was me. Hi again, Adam. --Shultz 12:15 30 Nov 2005 (CST)
 * Yes, Shultz sent me the info, which I wil happily give out to anyone who wants it. :D By the way, hey Shultz! Adamwankenobi 08:52, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * i just think he is a stupid f*cking a**hole and can suck on crap,oh yeah and f*ck darth voltron commander of the supershadow army,today is december 28th 2005 and stupid a** supershadow and his stupid a** f*cking minions have vandalized the main pages and other pages about star wars,stupidshadow f*cking sucks and STAR WARS ROCKS!_darthrancor424
 * Okay. That is a little disturbing. -- SFH 06:43, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I appoligize for what I said but someone named darth voltron commander of the supershadow army vandalized the main page and claims he works for supershadow_darthrancor424

FAQ
Should we add something about how the FAQ addresses Suttle in a fawning, self congratulatory manner, and how he is sometimes abusive toward his fans? -- SFH 00:38, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Granicus
I read the History of the Jedi and Sith, which stated that Granicus was the homeworld of the Gran, which are really from Kinyen. LMAO. Just like Grievous and the Omix Patra. Pfft. Θ 20:32, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Lead Quotation
While fiery, I'm not sure that the lead quotation is helpful or appropriate. --SparqMan 07:30, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC) "SuperShadow - Threads dedicated to this big fraud are out of the question. In fact, any reference to him and/or his site will result in severe modsmacking."
 * But it does represent the general hatred for the man. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:31, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe amongst some users. I don't hate him, nor wish violence upon him, and I'd prefer if our article didn't express someone's violent desires either. --SparqMan 08:02, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * As much as I love the unadulterated vitriol from one of my favorite fan personalities, it *is* a little NPOV. So how about this, from the Forum N-etiquette - Updated. Read before Posting thread at The Official Site:

- "Lad," Message Board monitor at StarWars.com

How is he not sued yet?

 * He now states that he is a Lucasfilm employee and that he has credits to Indiana Jones. Is there a toll free number to inform George's lawyers? (Goes to find a Xerrol Nightstinger.)--TheLIGHTSABERwieldingNERFHERDER 07:58, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * Added his claim that "SuperShadow.com is the official web site of George Lucas." The guy is unbelievable... --Captain Walker, 11:58 PM, January 11, 2006
 * He must be destroyed in every way, shape, and form (begins to sharpen a vibroblade). -- SFH 15:35, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Answer SS-related questions on Answerbag
Many rely on Answerbag for, well of course, answers. More SW fans need to know the truth behind SS. There are SS-related questions that need answering and debunking of already-posted answers. Please answer the following with the truth:

"Who is Supershadow of supershadow.com?" (misconception needs debunking)

"Are there any independent sources that verify the claims SuperShadow makes on www.supershadow.com? Namely, that he is a high-paid Lucasfilm consultant and personal friend of George Lucas?"

"If scripts 7, 8, and 9 are already written and George Lucas wants to do other films than Star Wars, can't they get some other talented producer/director to make them in the same mood and style as the first six?" (An SS-related answer also needs debunking)

"Where can I find the books that tell the story of Episodes 7-9?' (Another SS-related answer, needing to be debunked.)

Answering requires creating an account first, but it is well worth the effort of letting fellow AB users know the truth behind Supershadow.

If you have anything to say about it, reply to my talk page on Wikipedia. --68.102.193.78 04:33, 7 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Kaleesh
I was reading his "George Lucas" Q&A, and on November 25, "Lucas" said that Grievous' species were the Kaleesh. We should probably update the section. -- SFH 02:42, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh it already has been. Never mind. -- SFH 02:45, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Fictional Bio
Maybe we could make a fictional bio of "Nebar Foxis". In his biography, we can put him as a renagade jedi who made his (false) philosiphy, and looked for force-powerful children to teach.
 * No. Wookieepedia is not the place to put fanon. --Imp 00:53, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Comment on Stolen Map
I added a brief to the page about SS stealing the map from nav-computer... i hope thats ok... (if i ended up repeating info there from another part of the page, please remove.) --Tikaheta 07:47, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't conflict since we didn't have this information before. Thanks. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:54, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem. In case anyone is interested, I emailed nav-computer about SS's use of the map. --Tikaheta 23:49, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)

in a flash movie
how do you think SS would look in a cartoon? i'm making a flash movie with "Darth Rage" as the main enemy.-User:Remoh
 * Will Suttle be dying a horrible death in this cartoon? If so, I would like to see this. -- SFH 00:16, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * as a matter of fact, he will be. i'm just starting to work on it, but that is a sure-fire thing. i'm thinking he dies of a "force avalanche". AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! force avalanche. HA!-User:Remoh
 * but seriously. i need a picture.-User:Remoh
 * Well, there is the one at the start of the article, though there is some question of it's accuracy. -- SFH 01:59, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * i mean a cartoonish picture of a sith that could fit the desription of darth rage.-User:Remoh
 * could someone who is a good artist draw up something?-User:Remoh
 * Is this really the place for this? -- Riffsyphon1024 04:58, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * last i checked, discussion pages were for discussing any thing relevent to the article.-user:remoh
 * Relevant to the article, not to the topic. --SparqMan 07:15, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * oh. then just send me a picture like that at my email: dlkaldor@comcast.net-User:remoh

Fanon..
"(Under list of SS creations) That SuperShadow has a girlfriend L.M.A.O. Lord Patrick 06:53, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd safely bet by cellphone that he doesn't. Why don't we put that back up there? --68.102.193.78 05:13, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Nebar Foxis
On the Wikipedia article, Suttle said that Nebar Foxis was the Jedi that Anakin killed in the holo recording. Where did they hear that? -- SFH 03:07, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Cin Drallig is the Jedi that Anakin's fighting. The other one is a woman. --AdmThrawn 03:15, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I know that it is Cin Drallig. -- SFH 03:17, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Suttle
Alright,Somebody get the Bulldog Rifle on Mickey Suttle/Supershadow!!!i think this guy is a liar! I really do pity him.........-Stoll7234

NPOV

 * This article can just wear an NPOV tag forever if people are going to be oversensitive about it. It's perfect as it is. You can't expose someone as a liar and a fraud without sounding at least a little biased. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  18:03, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Anyways, he deserves to be ripped apart (unfortunately not physically). But still, if someone adds a REALLY offensive comment than just revert it. Jasca Ducato 18:18, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * You know, after reading the Wikipedia article, I think their article is more biased against him than we are. -- SFH 21:25, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Regardless of his actions, this wiki follows a neutral POV. Just 'cause we all hate him doesn't mean we can break the rules. --Imp 14:47, 17 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. There are plenty of ways to expose someone as a liar without being biased against him. You must let go of your fear that anyone will believe him. Fear leads to Anger. Anger leads to Hate. Hate leads to suffering. ;-) Weak minded fools who believe some random web loser's claims of glory and fame is going to believe almost anything. --SparqMan 17:29, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

New quote
As much as I loved the old quote, the new one is much better. StupidShadow crap is banned from discussion on the official site, for Xendor's sake! He's officially a "big fraud"! How much more clearly do the noobs need them to say it? &mdash;Darth Culator  (talk)  18:15, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It's still inappropriate. We should really be trying this page as neutral as we can. You can say he is a fraud and remain neutral. Say it, support it with facts. End of story. These quotes that everyone keeps putting up are childish and make this place look bad. The problem is not SuperShadow. While I agree it's frustrating what he has done/is doing the problem is really the retards who believe him. The man is entitled to spout whatever nonsense he wants on his own site. He pays for the webspace he can do what he wants wth it. Anyway, the quote should be taken down.--DannyBoy7783 21:57, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It's an official policy from the discussion board on the official site. That doesn't need to be supported, it is a fact. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  23:11, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying the quote needs to be supported. That wouldn't make any sense at all. I'm saying in general. That is what we do here - present information and when necessary back it up. Anyway, the quote is just ridiculous. It becomes inappropriate for posting at this wiki because of the wording. Put the information that topics on him aren't allowed in the article on him but not the quote. This is a site about facts not opinions. You guys can do whatever you want but it makes wookieepedia look bad when you have attacks like that.--DannyBoy7783 00:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * "He's more machine now than man; twisted and evil." "Will somebody get this big walking carpet out of my way?" "He is the Chosen One. You must see it." "He's a card player, gambler, scoundrel. You'd like him." When has the lead quote of an article been anything BUT an opinion? SM-716 01:09, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * How often has the lead quote been about a real person and not in-universe?--DannyBoy7783 02:51, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Point taken. But it is still a fact that a moderator on the official site said that about SuperShadow. The quote itself expresses Lad's opinion of SS, but it is still a proven fact that the quote was made. So what would be the solution? I guess if anyone can find a positive quote about SS from someone in a position of relative authority in the Star Wars community, add it to the top of the article. SM-716 21:42, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * While that's a good idea it's probably unlikely. The factual basis of that quote should be incorporated into the article but the quote should be removed (I think).--DannyBoy7783 00:43, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Any Point?
Is there any point to linking to the Wikipedia article? It's identical to this one.--Vercalos 03:53, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * There are slight differences, unless they've copied us. -- Riffsyphon1024 04:18, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah.. Looks like they copied it.--Vercalos 04:20, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Mickey Suttle
Does anybody else here think we should change the title of this article to "Mickey Suttle"? I mean:- Any thoughts? Jasca Ducato 15:37, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) It is his real name and he has not always used the persona SuperShadow, so it would fit in with Wiki policy.
 * 2)It would help convince people who come to Wookipedia and type in SuperShadow when the see the name Mickey Suttle glaring at them!
 * That's probably a good idea. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  18:52, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Good, if nobody objects by the 28th then i'll change the article title. Jasca Ducato 18:39, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Much like the picture below, do we have any real confirmation that Suttle is StuporShadow? If not, we may want to hold off on moving the article. jSarek 19:50, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * We also need proof that that pic is actually him. Otherwise, it's caption will have to read "an alleged picture of Suttle." Adamwankenobi 20:36, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * He's best known as SuperShadow. I don't really see the advantage of moving it. &mdash; Silly Dan 22:42, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, Mitth'raw'nuruodo is best known as Thrawn, Qymaen jai Sheelal is best known as Grievous, and the Alliance to Restore the Republic is best known as the Rebel Alliance, but their articles are placed under their true names, not their best known names. If Mr. Suttle is, indeed, SuperShadow, then we should probably use that name for him. jSarek 02:32, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thankyou jSarek. And i know i cant provide a source (yet). That picture is Mickey Suttle. I'll keep looking for a source but plenty of sites have that picture when regarding SadoShadow. Jasca Ducato 18:44, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Ermm, since no-one has actually opposed the moving of the article... I'll check back at 6:00pm GMT and if no-one has yet opposed then i'll move the article. Jasca Ducato 09:22, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Consider me opposing until we can confirm his identity in some way. That said, I also wonder if, even if we do confirm his name, we shouldn't instead create two articles, one about the site and the other about its creator, much as we've done for theforce.net or some of the other fan sites. jSarek 09:36, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't that just give more talk pages for us to complain about him? -- SFH 18:42, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thats true SFH. I have some sources if you want to take a look.
 * 1) &mdash;   (Look at the   SS  logo he puts on the page)
 * 2) &mdash;  (Read section 2)

And follow this link, and this one. Thats all i've got time to look for at the moment but i'm say yes to a move.

P.S. Mickey Suttle is SadoShadow. Jasca Ducato 21:19, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * You can even look up the owner of supershadow.com, and it says right there it's him. CooperTFN 21:27, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Is that proof enough? It CooperTFN also says in the discussion below that the picture was found on the website he worked at, so it is a picture of him. That's more than enough evidence, i think, to warrant me changing the article title. Jasca Ducato

Picture
Sites say that's the real SS at the computer, but do we have any proof of this?
 * It's from the website of the company he works for, but it's been taken down since it was first discovered. CooperTFN 21:28, 28 January 2006 (UTC)