Talk:Padmé Amidala/Legends

So what's her name?
Thanks! WhiteBoy 22:21, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * First: Padmé, Middle: Amidala, Last: Naberrie
 * or is it like the Pope where her "official" name is Amidala.
 * I think that her official name was only Amidala during her time as queen (maybe?). I'd say that "Padmé Amidala Naberrie" would be her official name. Unfortunately, this would result in virtually every link to this article being via a redirect. This wouldn't be the end of the world, though. It would be the same sort of situation as what you did with X-wing starfighter. (Of course, there's always her married name of "Skywalker"... buahaha). -- Aidje 23:44, 25 Apr 2005 (UTC)


 * It's hard to say without knowing the tradition of the Nabooo. Most state names are kept until death, but with the peculiar Queen process of the Naboo, it is difficult to say. How is she refered to in EPII? I forget if they call her Senator Amidala. If so, it is safe to say that she would drop Naberrie entirely, or put it inbetween Padmé and Amidala. A seperate issue is whether she took the name Skywalker, or if Nabooian or Tatooinean culture encourage/accept that practice. Does a source list her with Skywalker at the end of her name? --SparqMan 02:47, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Birth Name = Padmé Naberrie. Royal Name = Amidala. Senatorial Name = Padmé Amidala QuentinGeorge 08:57, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
 * So if the head of the article says "Padmé Naberrie Amidala Skywalker", and we use the married names for Leia, why not Padmé? --SparqMan 18:50, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Since her marriage was secret, I doubt that she changed her name to Skywalker. That would be a dead giveaway. – Aidje talk 19:33, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree and unlike Leia, we have no reference of her being refered to or prefering to include her husband's name. I think Skywalker should be struck from the article top-line. --SparqMan 19:46, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Its seems only right to stick with prescident and add Skywalker to the end of her name. She never formally added it herself but this was only out of necessity.

Successor in the Senate
I am unaware of any source that says that Jar Jar succeeded Padme as the Senator for Naboo. As such, I'm removing it. If anyone can come up with a source (rather than mere conjecture) for where this comes from, I'll add it back in. QuentinGeorge 06:11, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Padme Length of Life?
I am confused as to the length of Padme's life. We were lead to believe in Return of the Jedi, that Leia recalled her mother (she stated that she was kind, beautiful and sad) and that she died when Leia was very young, suggesting perhaps that she lived the early part of her life with her. However, Padme dies at Leia and Luke's birth, making it impossible for either child to remember her. I thought perhaps Leia was refering to her adoptive mother, but this cannot be accurate, as her adoptive mother died when the planet Alderaan was destroyed (and when Leia was grown). Has anyone else noticed this, and can perhaps shed some light on this matter? Could Leia really have remembered her mother from such an early age?
 * Has it been confirmed that her mother died with Alderaan, and not of some other cause long before the loss of Alderaan? Because this is the only solution that has made sense to me. JSarek 00:12, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
 * No, it's not been confirmed that Breha died with Alderaan's destruction. As JSarek said, Breha could be the mother Leia remembered. Or it could be some mysterious Force-related memory. QuentinGeorge 06:09, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I gathered it was Force related- Padmé was in a pretty emotional state when she gave birth, resulting in Leia sensing it unconciously. --Fade 07:46, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I, too, took it as being Force-related. I believe her mother was killed in with the Alderaan explosion, and our own article says as much.  WhiteBoy 07:59, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I dont want to confused anyone more than I'm sure everyone else has, but to add to more questioning on Leia's part, go read ROTJ(the novel) where Luke is asking her about her mother, its vaguely mentions Leia remember not only her sad and kind mother, BUT a trunk? yeah, what was that about? Another writer's mistake I think!--Kaosburning 03:48, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

As to the question of this being a force related power it is a two sided problem. On the one hand I am geared toward this perhaps being a force power of infant awareness that Leia has come to develop and perhaps even passed on to her children. One of whom while still in the womb even managed to tip the balance in a force duel between Luke,Leia and the clones of Emperor Palpatine in "Planet of Twilight". I feel that this might also explain why Leia would exhibit so much of Padme's politically defiant personality, being that perhaps during her childhood she was abled to retain a force impression of her mother..this impression may have been imprinted in the force by the powerful connection Vader bonded with Padme as they both lay unconscious..the one that killed her. How luke was unabled to retain or gain such an impression and Leia was is not quite understandable to me perhaps it is a feminine bond that mother and daughter shared. Also Why Vader was unabled to sense the family connection from Leia during her capture on the Death Star, but was abled to do so with Luke in "Empire Strikes Back" is also a part of this issue, or did he just know from his use of the skywalker surname (did Vader personally kill the Lars and get the information about Luke?) It begs the Question what role does gender play in the developement of force senses? On the other hand How Leia could possess such power and still not be aware of her heritage(indeed she rejected her heritage and consequently, her force power even after her it was revealed to her due to her hatred of Vader) is also an issue with this theory, but not so much so since a force sensitive is powerful no matter if they are or are not aware of it.

Replacement?
"Due to tension between George Lucas and Natalie Portman in 2003, Lucas reportedly asked Keira Knightley (Sabé from Episode I) if she would be willing to play Padmé in Episode III; she declined, however, as she was busy filing King Arthur (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0349683/combined)." What is the source for that?
 * It's a ridiculous rumour from IMDB and should be removed. Natalie was always contracted to do all three. QuentinGeorge 22:47, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * IMDB relies on (often unverified) user submitted data, and therefore should NOT be regarded as confirmation. This rumour should be removed unless a reputable source (like the OS) agrees with it. QuentinGeorge 04:06, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Not only IMDb reported the rumor, Keira Knightley herself even said something about it. And it doesn't even matter if it was true or not - the point is, there was a rumor that existed that was circulated at some point, and as such, deserves mention. Kuralyov 04:12, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Then show me the source that says it then. QuentinGeorge 04:36, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Two minutes of searching gave me this: "...As for Portman, rumors began to circulate that she was unhappy, and looking for a way out of her contract. According to one Internet story, Lucas had even sounded out Keira Knightley about taking over Portman's role for the final film, due in theaters in 2005." If you want the original story on the original page, however, then yiu're welcome to sift through 2-year-old archives.

Like I said, even if the rumor isn't true (it probably wasn't, as you pointed out), the fact that it existed at all means it should be mentioned here. That's all it said, was that it was a rumor. Or should I delete all unsubstantiated rumors mentioned on various articles here? Kuralyov 05:17, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I think it should be deleted from this page. Dylankidwell 02:46, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Cause of death
Did Padmé die from anything Anakin did? Sure, his Force choke may have injured her momentarily, but it hardly seemed enough to threaten her life. It seemed more likely that she died from birth complications, or other mysterious circumstances. I did not read the end of the novelization with great care, and may have missed the explicit explanation. Any help? --SparqMan 00:51, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I figured it was a broken heart. Lame, I know, but it apparently does happen. And it's apparently reversible, too. I guess the med droids weren't aware of this research. :-) – Aidje talk 04:20, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Or to put it another way "she gave up the will to live". In other words, her injuries weren't life threatening, but the stress of the events of the past weeks led to complications. QuentinGeorge 06:06, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Google T-Bone's blog for that. 07:58, Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Another option was thought of: Anakin used force Drain on her. Explains why he was able to survive the burns Revan 04:14, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * As mentionned above, T-Bones blog clearly states she died of broken heart. Without the Force choke however, it may not have been deadly methinks...--Petiflo 17:32, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Palace portrait
So Leia walks past a picture of Padme, and still doesn't recognize her in 25 years later? In fact, should't Padme be some sort of mythical hero in Imperial Culture, do to bringing about Palpatine's election? -- SFH 15:02, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Unseen Queen actually clarifies that Luke and Leia knew who "Senator Padme Amidala" was, they just never knew that she was their mother. QuentinGeorge 20:14, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * And yes, I agree that Amidala's history and association to Palpatine (and the fact her rebellious leanings remained secret) would have made the Empire laud her as a martyr figure for propaganda purposes, and no doubt that is why Palpatine hung the portrait in the Imperial Palace. QuentinGeorge 08:50, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * That's a nice theory. But, it it seems that the people of the GFFA circa 0 BBY and beyond simply forgot about here. Nobody ever mentions her in the OT except for that scene in ROTJ when Luke asks Leia if she rememebers their mother. Jed-eye 11:52, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * That could be fixed easily enough: amend QG's theory to "...made the early Empire laud...". After all, by the OT, the Palpatine election was 32 years past, and Padme had been dead for 19 years, so the Imps likely had newer and more relevant propaganda symbols to trumpet.--Valin Kenobi 05:16, 17 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I have been wondering about this. If Leia claimed that she remembered Padme in ROTJ, why is it she can't recgnize her mother in that portrait? Besides, haven't Leia noticed that this "Senator Padme Amidala" kinda looks a lot like her mother whom she claimed that she could remember as "beautiful, kind, but sad"? Even though she said that she could only remember her "just a little bit". - Divinity 11:59, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, you sort of answered your own question there. It's unlikely that Leia had a perfect image of her ingrained in her head; and if she did it's even more unlikely that any woman would look the same when comparing what she looked like when giving birth (not to mention crying for Anakin), and what she looked like when posing for a senatorial portrait. --MarcK [talk] 12:05, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Also, consider that the panel was drawn right after Portman was cast, thus the portait was likely made around the TPM era (perhaps right after newly elected Chancellor Palpatine moved into the Palace, he commissioned the portrait?) ... thus you'd also consider the additional difference in appearance between 14 years old and 27.--Valin Kenobi 05:21, 17 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * The artwork was done in 1997 - when Natalie Portman was 16. Hence, if it is a depiction of Padme at the same age, it's a portrait of Padme in 30 BBY - QuentinGeorge 12:28, 17 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure, but Natalie was 16 when she played Padme aged 14 in TPM. So Padme at age 14 looks like Natalie at age 16. Of course, Padme at 24 and 27 looks like Natalie at 19 and 22 respectively, but we won't go into that. :p--Valin Kenobi 17:44, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

"well-toned stomach"
"Padmé had a close encounter with a nexu that ripped the buttom part of her shirt, completely exposing her well-toned stomach."

Is this really necessary???


 * Nope, but fun to think about! ;) Adamwankenobi 12:42, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)


 * White cut-off....WHITE...CUT OFF!! Revan 04:22, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Excellency?
Were Senators addressed as "Excellency"? If yes, then we should correct Palpatine's Styles of Address section as well. - Sikon [ Talk ] 17:52, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Training
Didn't Panaka give Padme some training. Like, fighting training so in case she needed to fight she could?

First appearance?
Why is it listed that she first appeared in TPM, when her likeness was first seen in a painting in The Last Command 5? Adamwankenobi 23:49, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * All taken care of, move along... ;) --Imp 23:51, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, I just saw. :) Adamwankenobi 23:52, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Episode III Profile Promo versus Episode II Wallpaper
Objections? --Redemption 03:08, 7 March 2006 (UTC) I think its a great pic.--Dil 01:28, 8 March 2006 (UTC) I like a picture of her as Queen; in traditional costume.
 * Full-body pics are generally less good. This one's better, IMO. -LtNOWIS 01:31, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I concur. Adamwankenobi 01:32, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd prefer if she didn't have the "Leia hair", but don't let that stop you. -- SFH 03:35, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Her "rumifications" robe alright? --Redemption 04:48, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No need for "versus". In Greece there's a saying: "Όλοι οι καλοί χωράνε", which roughly means: "It fits as long as it's good". I put both in the article, though the one where she has her hood up is much better for main pic. --Master Starkeiller 13:32, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Quote relevance
I don't think the quote on the top of this page, taken from Leia's comment in ROTJ, really applies anymore because it's established that she was referring to her foster mother, Bail Organa's wife, and did not know Amidala any more than Luke had. DarthVaderwillriseagain 02:41, 15 May 2006 (UTC)DarthVaderwillriseagain
 * That's not correct. Leia is referring to Padmé. QuentinGeorge 22:02, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Obviously, Leia is talking about her REAL MOTHER, who, in my opinion, is the best character of all the Saga: Padmé. Hammu Amidala
 * I concur with Hammu Amidala. Lord Aco
 * Of course you do: you are Hammu Amidala's sockpuppet. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:22, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Ouch. But, on topic, the quote definitely is about Padmé- Luke asks her, after all, "Do you remember your mother?  Your real mother?"  Padmé knew full well that Bail Organa's wife was not her real mother.  Is it unrealistic that a newborn baby would remember her first twenty-second glimpse of another human?  Of course.  But, regardless, Leia could not have been referring to anyone but Padmé. --Thetoastman 16:50, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm so glad to read you people saying that. I've had such a hard time on french forums with this plot-hole I thought I was the only one to think that way. Tell me, did Lucas state himself that Leia is indeed talking about Padmé or is any other official source ?--Petiflo 17:39, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The Force is a universal plothole-filler, you just need to make stuff up more or less believably. - Sikon [ Talk ] 17:10, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sikon and (despite the puppetry) Hammu Amidala are entirely correct. Maxi big, the Force. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 03:04, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Either way i think the quite should be "...I truly deeply love you."
 * That's not a quote about Padme, and hence is not suitable. QuentinGeorge 06:21, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

then teh quote should be, "It's funny Padme, because you act as if you're prohibited, adn your're not, while Anakin acts as if he's under no prohibitions, and he is!" OR "You're so tied up in your responsibilities that you don't give any weight to your desires." Both are quotes of Sola describing her sister. DarthVaderwillriseagain 20:40, 19 May 2006 (UTC)DarthVaderwillriseagain
 * Too specific. "Beautiful, kind but sad" is perfect. --Redemption 17:40, 20 May 2006 (UTC)