Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (comics)


 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a featured article nomination that was successful. Please do not modify it.

(6 Inqs/10 Users/16 total)
Support
 * I nominated this article because it seemed very good, and hope you like it!StarWarsDude 21:56, 20 October 2007 (UTC) (You didn't nominated the article. Also, single issue voter, struck per policy.  Greyman ( Paratus ) 04:31, 27 October 2007 (UTC))


 * 1) Sikon 17:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) --Eyrezer 11:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Sikon, this is bloody good. I demand more FAs out of you, sonny! Thefourdotelipsis 02:38, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Per 4dot. Jorrel [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Fraajic 02:52, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Lord Hydronium 12:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 6)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 15:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Slash Z 19:29, 7 October 2007 (UTC) (single issue voter, struck per policy.  Greyman ( Paratus ))
 * 1) Cull Tremayne 01:39, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) -- Dark Lord Xander  ( Embrace The Dark Side! )[[Image:MandalorianSymbol.jpg|20px]] 03:45, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Very nice. -- Ozzel 16:50, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Per Ozzel.  Victor  ( talk ) 00:30, 11 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Easily the most impressive article on an entire comic series I've seen. Most other pages are stubs, but this one is the real deal. - ThrawnRocks 19:15, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) So what's it gonna take to get this from a nom to FA status? - JMAS 00:47, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Objections resolved.  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 15:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Count it. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:14, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) Nice work.  Master Aban Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 15:46, 29 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) I think it's a very good article and deserves this nomination. User:Kilson 17:17, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) A few things:
 * 2) * The infobox image (Image:Kotor.jpg) has a Dark Horse watermark is generally low quality. Replace this.
 * 3) ** Replaced. - Sikon 08:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) * The introduction needs a good rewrite. Things such as Dark Horse's other current Star Wars comics and the chronology of the series are best discussed in other sections.
 * 5) ** Addressed the issues you mentioned - tell me if something is still wrong. - Sikon 08:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) * There's a few punctuation errors throughout the article: several instances of punctuation being placed outside quotation marks, and em dashes are erroneously surrounded by spaces.
 * 7) ** Corrected em dashes. - Sikon 08:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) * The "2007: Days/Knights" subsection of "Production" has several two-sentence paragraphs. Rewrite if possible. Why is the section given the affix of "Days/Knights," when the 2006 section has no affix at all?
 * 9) ** Explained on IRC, also see below. - Sikon 08:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) * The section "Core characters" should either cover only the core characters, or be renamed to "Major characters" or something similar.
 * 11) ** Renamed to just "Characters". - Sikon 08:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 12) * The thin paragraph issue applies to most of the "Plot" section as well, particularly the subsections "Commencement" and "Days of Fear, Nights of Anger."
 * 13) ** Expanded small paragraphs. - Sikon 14:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 14) * There's no reception section, and no mention of sales figures.
 * --Imperialles 17:50, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) ** Added. - Sikon 14:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) The core characters section needs to be wookified. At the very least, it needs a grammar cleanup.  Chack Jadson  Talk  20:09, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Image:Kotorteam.jpg needs to be properly sourced with the Information template. --Eyrezer 23:07, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) * Done. - Sikon 08:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) From the Grey of Man:
 * 3) * Image:Kotor.jpg is currently tagged with . Please rectify if this is going to be used.
 * 4) ** Deleted. - Sikon 08:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) * The infobox picture isn't really the best one that is out there, though I can understand why it was chosen. Maybe the following one, which I've linked to, would be better enjoyed by the community? Especially since it has full color. Image:Kotorhandbookcoverandtitle.jpg, just a suggestion.
 * 6) ** Done. - Sikon 08:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) * None of the character information in the "Core character" section has any reference tags. Please source info from the necessary appearances/sources.
 * 8) * What's the source for "&hellip;abbreviated as KotOR&hellip;"? I know it is often referred to as that around here, but is there a source for it being used in the comics/interviews/media etc.?
 * 9) ** Sourced. - Sikon 08:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) * The caption ("Dark Horse promotional image and preliminary issue 0 cover") is not needed below the picture in the infobox.
 * 11) ** Removed. - Sikon 08:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 12) * Each entry in the Core Characters section needs to be expanded, IMO; and as already pointed out, needs to be cleaned up.
 * 13) ** See below about expansion. - Sikon 08:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 14) * It may have been intentional, but Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 0: Crossroads is not listed, along with the other comics, in the "Media" section. All of the other comics which were collected into the TPB Commencement are listed, and Crossroads was collected in it as well&mdash;please include.
 * 15) ** It's there, see below. - Sikon 08:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 16) * Please completely source the "Continuity" section&mdash;only a few paragraphs and/or pieces of information are currently sourced. Even though some of the information may be obvious, it should still be sourced to comply with FAN standards.
 * 17) ** Sourced. - Sikon 08:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 18) *** Better, but the first two paragraphs still need ref tags. The first paragraph needs at least one, if not more, ref tags of where the KotOR comics reference the TOTJ comics and the KOTOR games. The second paragraph simply needs a ref tag from either the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic video game or even the Strategy Guide since it details some of the information listed. Using both wouldn't be opposed to either. Greyman ( Paratus ) 15:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 19) ****Reworded the first paragraph and restructured the section, so that the paragraph wouldn't require a reference (hopefully). As for the second, it openly says "in the game" and provides a link to said game, so I don't think it needs a reference - the game is established as the source for this information in the text itself, and I'm not a fan of having footnotes for the sake of them. - Sikon 12:20, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 20) *****Neither am I a fan of having footnotes for the sake of having them, if it can be avoided&mdash;and your re-wording of that specific part clears up my objection, thanks. Greyman ( Paratus ) 15:24, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 21) * Formatting for the "Notes and references" section should be a scroll box at the very least.
 * 22) ** Done. - Sikon 08:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 23) * Once the writing objections listed by Imp, Chack, and myself have been looked after, I'll go through the actual writing of the article. I don't see any point in doing it before hand.
 * 24) * In the "Continuity" section, the first sentence says "Set in the years 3,964 BBY and 3,963 BBY, at a midpoint between Tales of the Jedi and the video games&hellip;". It needs to be made clear that that the video games are Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic and Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords, as right now a wayward reader could mistake it for all the video games.  Greyman ( Paratus ) 15:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 25) ** Addressed. - Sikon 12:20, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 26) * I feel that introduction should make some mention about the fan reception of the series as well as any other relevant Real World impacts it has had&mdash;especially since it's an article about the overall series. Greyman ( Paratus ) 15:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 27) ** There haven't been any significant real-world impacts, to my knowledge, besides Vector &mdash; which I have now mentioned in the intro. - Sikon 12:20, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 28) **An interesting FAN which I could see becoming the template for future projects like it. Greyman ( Paratus ) 00:57, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 29) From the beaker of Lord Hydronium:
 * 30) * Expand on a few things in "Plot Summary", particularly the second paragraph of "Commencement". First, some explanation of the knighting ceremony, and second, a few more details on the vision, like the figure you mention later.
 * 31) ** Expanded the Commencement section to clarify this. - Sikon 12:20, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 32) * Nothing about Vector.
 * 33) ** Added a section about Vector and mentioned it in the intro. - Sikon 12:20, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 34) *No other complaints here. - Lord Hydronium 09:16, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 35) From the desk of Atarumaster88
 * 36) * Source handbook release.
 * 37) ** Done. - Sikon 12:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 38) * Copyedit plot summary
 * 39) **Done. Jorrel Fraajic 15:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 40) * This is not the easiest of objections to resolve, but I'd like the prose in the plot summaries to be a little better. Some of the word choices don't seem to quite line up- I think a "misled" in there is kind of awkward. Another example is the way the last sentence of Flashpoint reads- it doesn't seem to flow. Also, a bit more detail in some parts, e.g. "After Zayne learned this." What did he learn- that the banker was his father? That the banker had been captured? Both?
 * 41) **Clarified/prose cleaned up a bit. Jorrel Fraajic 15:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 42) * Maybe it's because it has been freshly released/not fully released, but the Daze of Hate section is abominably small and hard to read/follow.
 * 43) ** Expanded with #20 events and restructured. - Sikon 12:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 44) * This is definitely not a hard and fast rule, but what about having an authors/pencillers/creators section on the page? Ozzel's SOTE soundtrack FA has a paragraph about McNeely and some of his background work, and I think that an entire series merits a section on the creators and their background, at least briefly.
 * 45) * Disambig link to other KotOR products needed.
 * 46) **Added. - Sikon 12:32, 30 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 47) *Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating Day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:24, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 48) **Some objections addressed. Not sure what to do about your last, though. Jorrel Fraajic 15:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 49) ***Have a good day, of course. The pencillers mention was already in there and though I'd prefer more detail on their work, it's not a hard and fast rule. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 15:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 50) From the lair of Hobbes15
 * 51) * "Vision on the rogue moon"? What is this (the Lucien Draay section) ? As it isn't mentioned before, some mention should go in Draay's bio.
 * 52) **Added sentence describing when he had the vision, and the results of. Jorrel Fraajic 15:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 53) *Does Characters need to be referenced? At the very least, the final paragraph of each character should be referenced, if not the main information area, IMO.
 * 54) **Probably does need to be reffed. Not quite sure how to do it, though. Jorrel Fraajic 15:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 55) ***Reffed. Jorrel Fraajic
 * 56) * Per Ataru on the Plot Summary prose. ..."standing right there with lightsabers drawn", "misled"... the prose could most definitely be improved.
 * 57) **Done. Jorrel Fraajic 15:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 58) ***Meh... it could still use improvement, but I'll try and work on that myself it I get time.
 * 59) * "the operation that eventually results in Arven being freed"? What operation? Some detail about it should be added.
 * 60) **Detail added. Jorrel Fraajic 15:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 61) ***No it hasn't been. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 19:12, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 62) ****Now it has. I hope it's enough to satisfy you. Jorrel [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Fraajic 09:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * 63) *****Just what I was looking for. Good job. Hobbes ( Tiger's Lair ) 03:02, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * 64) * Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 04:17, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 65) **Objections (aside from the character reffing thing) addressed. Jorrel Fraajic 15:22, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 66) ***All objections addressed now. Jorrel [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Fraajic 09:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * 67) ****Es good. Thanks for addressing them even though it wasn't your nom, Jorrel. Hobbes ( Tiger's Lair ) 03:02, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * 68) The infobox needs to be sourced. --Imperialles 15:59, 28 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 69) *Sourced. Jorrel [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Fraajic 16:28, 21 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 70) No sourcing in the intro. Stick it someplace else. Prob the BTS. Toprawa and Ralltiir 08:43, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * 71) *While that is normally true, there are rare instances where this is accepted, such as this article. As seen here, "If, of course, the information does not appear elsewhere in the article, then it is acceptable to source it in the introduction." As such, it has been openly accepted for this article by the Inqs that have already voted support here. Also, for this type of article, Sikon has decided against inserting a BtS due to the OOU nature of the vast majority of the article's content. Greyman ( Paratus ) 13:26, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Image:Zaynescoundrel.jpg&mdash;is this image fanon or what? If so, remove. --Imperialles 09:00, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) *Image issue dealt with. Also note the change of Marn's image (which was under the same issues Zayne's image was). Jorrel [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Fraajic 09:40, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Knights of Suffering section is unsourced. --Imperialles 06:29, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) *Sourced, also added KOTOR 23 summary. - Sikon 18:37, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * Nominated on Sikon's behalf per request on IRC. -- [[Image:AckbarSig.jpg|40px]] dmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 17:24, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Confirming the request on IRC. :) Plus some responses:
 * Sourced the "KotOR" abbreviation.
 * Replaced infobox picture per Greyman's suggestion, deleted Image:Kotor.jpg. Removed caption.
 * Removed references to other DH titles and specific years from the intro. Tell me if anything else needs to be done about it.
 * As I told Imp on IRC, 2007 has the "Days/Knights" subtitle because that's how Dark Horse refers to that meta-arc. There was no codename for 2006, hence no subtitle.
 * Renamed "Core characters" to just "Characters". But what is meant by "wookifying" this section? I'm not sure it needs to be expanded, either - it's an article about the overall series, so I tried to be as brief and concise as possible when describing the individual plot summaries and characters. Entries on individual arcs may have longer descriptions.
 * I still feel that the character entries should be longer, but I understand your reasoning and struck that particular objection. Greyman ( Paratus ) 15:38, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Removed spaces around mdashes.
 * Reception section: I'll add it soon.
 * Thin paragraphs: I'll expand them.
 * Sourced the unsourced part of the "Continuity" section. Things without a reference footnote are sourced in-text - for example, "Alek references the Great Sith War in Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic 0: Crossroads."
 * Issue 0: Crossroads is already in the Media section, just out-of-order. Fourdot suggested listing everything by release date, and #0 was released after #1 and #2.
 * Put "Notes and references" in a scroll box, although I'm personally not a big fan of them.
 * Templatized the description for Image:Kotorteam.jpg.
 * - Sikon 07:48, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Could someone strike Slash Z's vote, as he has no edits on the main namespace? Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 00:22, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Not a opposed vote here, but I tried previewing the article with all the character images on the right instead of on the left, and I think the article looks better that way. Anybody else want to take look at it that way and see if they agree? - JMAS 18:56, 16 October 2007 (UTC)