User talk:Toprawa and Ralltiir

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Re: Two things
Hey Tope. I'll see if I can give Malastare a review once all of the current objections have been stricken; I try to avoid starting a review when one is already going on to avoid potentially conflicting objections. Also, I replied re: the Darth Phobos cult issue, though I think the main problem is that we don't have consistency site-wide; hopefully we can clarify the issue with the community in either the CT or the SH. Thanks.  CC7567  (talk) 03:44, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Sheckil
Hey, Tope. I found a bit of info about Sheckil you might want to incorporate into the article. According to Aurra Sing: Dawn of the Bounty Hunters, in the scenes with Sheckil, Jon Morton, who played Dack, had to don the Boba Fett costume so both Sheckil and Fett could be on screen at the same time. There's this quote, too: "Steve Lanning, the second assistant director, and Jeremy [Bulloch] came to me, and Steve said, 'You guys are about the same size&mdash;would you be interested in covering for a couple of days?" This is on p. 48, but there's a pic o Sheckil (same as the infobox) on p. 46. ~ Savage   06:41, May 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Will check it out. Thanks. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:07, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Nightsaber
I was trying to move Project Nightsaber to Project: Nightsaber, but I've screwed up and I can't seem to fix it. Do you think you could help? Cheers. --Jinzler 19:02, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually, Xd has fixed it. --Jinzler 19:03, May 23, 2011 (UTC)

Pharl McQuarrie
Hello Toprawa, the intro of Pharl McQuarrie is still missing the information from the Act on Instinct comic, could you perhaps update accordingly? Hanzo Hasashi 16:23, May 26, 2011 (UTC)

CT amendment
Hey. Just wanted to let you know that the QOTD spoilers CT you voted on has been amended. Per a suggestion from Tm_T, the wording has been changed to eliminate the phrase "newly-released" to make it clear that it applies to all material including pre-release stuff. Thanks.  Master Jonathan &mdash; Jedi Council Chambers Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 21:14 UTC

Inqmoot XLII
Hey Tope,

Inqmoot 42 has been scheduled for June 19th. Your presence is requested, but if you are unavailable, please remember to leave notes. Thanks,  —Tommy  9281  Wednesday, June 1, 2011, 02:05 UTC 

Kae Kwaad TC
Hey Tope, just letting you know that a new voting option has been created on the Kae Kwaad TC per general demand. Jonjedigrandmaster ( Talk ) 14:38, June 2, 2011 (UTC)

AC Meeting 37
Hey Toprawa! AC Meeting 37 has been scheduled for July 30&hellip;with a Clone Theme. Please make sure to leave notes if you are unable to attend. Also, you can review the minutes from today's Meeting 36 by clicking here. Thanks, and remember: The Republic Needs You!  CC7567  (talk) 22:01, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

Hello!

I noticed you undid my edit to the Davin Felth page. I don't do much editing and adding here, but I like to help out the community I get so much from by fixing little things I see wrong as I use the site. So I don't know much about proper procedures or any other peculiar ways of doing things here, so I was just wondering if you'd explain what I should have done instead. . . is there a better way to fix a mistake like that than to just fix it?

Thanks! Adamjames 19:06, June 26, 2011 (UTC)

Not censored
Wookieepedia isnt censored. Yet we censor personal attacks? We don't keep offensive images and language out, yet nobody can be "offended" (which is a politically correct term used by people who can't take the heat). How does this make sense? Never mind, I don't want to know. Consider this my last wookieepedia edit. And don't have any of your admin goonies messaging me saying how they hate to see someone give up, how it can still work out, because it can't.Gnost-Dural | Hands off the holocrons, THEY'RE MINE!! 10:25, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Plagiaism
I understood the warning and the neccessity of it. I originally placed the text form the guide there to rewrite it the next day and forget it, but that can't be a cause. I can only say that I triple-check that this does not happen again in the future.  Clone Commander Lee  Talk 14:48, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Inqmoot 43
Hey Tope,

The next Inq meeting has been scheduled for July 23/24. Hope to see you there. Menkooroo 14:04, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

Merrejk
Hello Toprawa, on Leland Chee's Keeper of the Holocron blog on Facebook, he has just stated, in response to my blog post inquiring Commander Merrejk's fate, that he is "Not sure why we'd go out of the way to say he's alive. Best to presume dead unless proven otherwise." Should he be officially stated as presumed dead, sourcing that statement made by Leland Chee himself? Hanzo Hasashi 19:47, July 7, 2011 (UTC)

It's been a while
Hey man! It's been a while since we've talked. I miss our random chats and religious debates and sports and music talk on IRC. Anyway, I have an iPhone now, so I'll be on IRC more often. You should join when you get the chance. :) MasterFred (Whatever) 01:16, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Trooper comic
Hi Toprawa! Leeland Chee confirmed here that the Trooper (comic) in non-continuity. Does his statement render the comic from ambigously canon to non-canon? Should I ask him to verify that it is really him on Facebook? Darth Morrt 23:24, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think that's debatable at best and open to interpretation, and I think there are many factors to consider here. Firstly, I don't think he "confirmed" it fully by that little passing answer. He said the comic "was intended to be non-canon." To me, that's a pretty vague response, and most likely done with some intent. Chee isn't the say-all-end-all guy when it comes to canonicity. He's more of a guide, and he knows that, so when he's not 100% sure about something, he won't give you a 100% sure answer, as I believe is the case here. Secondly, I think it's important to take into account the forum of this discussion. The official SW.com Holocron continuity discussion thread was disbanded for a reason. Just because Chee is continuing to entertain fan discussion on his personal Facebook page, which is in no way affiliated with SW.com or Lucasfilm, as far as I can see, doesn't mean these are officially-binding decrees or comments. You guys are so antsy to manufacture answers out of him to fulfill your canon dreams that I think you fail to look at this objectively. Purely objectively speaking, to me, these comments are about as viable a resource as taking the guy out to a bar, getting him sloshed on cocktails, and then tape recording his answers to every Star Wars question you feed to him. At best, I would note his answer in the BTS of the article, or whatever relevant section, but still leave the canonicity ambiguous until it's clarified in a more formally official forum. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:59, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the answer. Darth Morrt 00:41, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

Year article
Hey Tope, Imperators II left a request on my talk page to lower the protection on the 5,000,000,000 BBY page, as he found information in The Essential Guide to Alien Species that says the galaxy was formed around that year. If I'm reading the restore page correctly, then you have the most recent deletion of the page; would you mind restoring it, or allowing me to restore it? Thanks! Jonjedigrandmaster ( Talk ) 14:30, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Wampa BTS info
Hey, Tope. Just stumbled across this in The Sounds of Star Wars, p. 117: The wampa's roar in ESB was created from the noises made by an elephant in the Oakland Zoo. Randy Thom recorded it. Ben Burtt and the sound team then added the cries of a sea lion from Marineland of the Pacific on top of the elephant calls to create the wampa roar. Seems like prime BTS material, but I wasn't sure which section it would fit into best, so I thought I'd give you the info here to add as you see fit. Cheers, ~ Savage   21:20, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Good deal. Thanks. Will try to add it in asap. If I forget, feel free to keep poking me about it. Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:01, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Midge
No worries, since "the" is technically correct that's totally fine. :) Also, sorry I haven't been as active as usual on the site and on IRC; RL has taken up a lot more of my time this summer than I anticipated. I'm hoping it'll ease up a bit this fall/winter. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 22:53, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Upload
Hello, I have a problem. I can't upload images anymore.Hk 47 00:40, July 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, it was just a proble with my new e-mail address.Hk 47 17:50, July 26, 2011 (UTC)

Battle of Grassy Plains FA redux
Hello there, I took the initiative to check the log from this weekend's INQ meeting, and I noticed you expressed concerns about the "order of battle" image in the Sources section of Battle of Grassy Plains. I just wanted to know the nature of your concerns and take care of it before it becomes a formal objection on the redux page. Thanks. Corellian PremierAll along the watchtower 21:39, July 27, 2011 (UTC)

Meeting 37 reminder
Hey Toprawa, just wanted to remind you about AC Meeting 37, which will be held tomorrow at the usual time of 4 PM ET. If you find yourself unable to make it, please remember to leave notes. Thanks, and hope to see you there, brave soldier! (Oh, could I also ask a favor? I'm traveling off-island tomorrow, and there's a slim chance that I might not have computer access at my hotel, so could you lead the meeting for me if that's the case? I know you'd do it anyway, but thanks. :P)  CC7567  (talk) 17:33, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

IRC
Hey, Tope, I saw your message on IRC. Sorry that I couldn't talk to you eariler, but I am here now. :)  JangFett  (Talk) 20:56, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Executor in Insider 127
Hey Tope. I just wanted to let you know that the scene on the Executor bridge in ESB, with Bossk and Fett and the other bounty hunters being briefed by Vader about hunting the Millennium Falcon, is featured in the "Classic Moment" section of Star Wars Insider 127. There isn't any new info as far as I can see, but I can upload the pages if you'd like to take a look yourself. Just let me know.  CC7567  (talk) 06:34, August 8, 2011 (UTC)

XXXVIII
XXXVIII  —Tommy  9281  Thursday, August 11, 2011, 00:46 UTC 

Inqmoot 44
A new Inqmoot has been scheduled for Sunday September 11 at 0:00 UTC/GMT. Please leave notes if you cannot attend. Cheers, grunny &#64; wookieepedia :&#126;$ 10:08, August 22, 2011 (UTC)

Unidentified Nurse
My apologies for bringing this here, but you haven't responded to your objection on Unidentified nurse (Coruscant). It's been quite a while, and I hope you'll take another look at it. Thanks. Cal Jedi (Personal Comm Channel) 15:49, September 5, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Thanks
Sure, and no prob. :P Talk to you soon.  CC7567  (talk) 01:17, September 11, 2011 (UTC)

Prenoms
Hello Toprawa, I have a question, do you ever give prenoms? If so, then given your amount of experience with articles, and the fact very rarely now do any articles you nominate or support have any objections that follow, I might ask you for one. Hanzo Hasashi 19:41, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I generally do not do prenom reviews, and I'm afraid I certainly wouldn't have time to do one for some time with my current schedule. If you have general questions, I can answer those. Thank you for your consideration. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:45, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * At this time, there's no way I can actually do any GA project anytime soon. That was just a general question. Anyhow, thanks for the quick response. Hanzo Hasashi 22:14, September 19, 2011 (UTC)

Make no bones about it
Hey, Tope. I'm incredibly busy today (Mondays are hellish for me), so it would be OK to merge the info from hyoid bone and cheekbone into bone tomorrow? If not, I can try to get at it tonight sometime. Thanks, ~ Savage  23:45, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, certainly no rush. I should clarify, though, that the Hyoid bone TC ended in no consensus. You're welcome to move that info into the bone article anyway, but that article should be left as its own entity for now. Thanks. Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:48, September 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * At any rate, both articles have been merged into bone. (The hyoid bone stuff was there already, so it was really only cheekbone that was in question). Perhaps a broader CT on earthly things is overdue, but I'm a bit too busy IRL at the moment to write one up. C'est la vie! ~ Savage BOB sig.png 13:04, September 21, 2011 (UTC)

IRC
Hey, Tope, I saw your message on IRC. I was away and I'm sorry about not being there man. I'm available to talk right now. :)  JangFett  (Talk) 21:52, October 3, 2011 (UTC)

Capital, my good sir
Hey, Tope. I take it you're referring to this line from the MOS: "However, if the word refers to a person, it should be in capitals. 'As an experienced leader, Admiral Ackbar...' or 'He never liked telling jokes to the Admiral.'" Do you remember or happen to know when the second example of this was voted on or chosen to be in the MOS? I ask because it seems to violate most (if not all) real-world MOS'es I know about, where titles are only capitalized when they are placed in front of someone's name. This is an honest question, so please don't read any annoyance or other subtext to this query. And thanks for any help! ~ Savage  18:33, October 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it was just added to the MOS when the page was first created and therefore ratified by default in the early days of the wiki, so no CT was actually held. You can probably just go through the MOS edit history to verify that. I don't agree with it either, though I try to make sure we follow it as long as it exists. If you want to start a CT to change it, I'd support and even help you find working real-world examples. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:44, October 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sweet, I may just do that. Thanks for the help! ~ Savage BOB sig.png 18:53, October 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, I saw this on recent changes and looked it up. It was actually not added until 2007, but it was added by a non-admin (in the days when the MOS was open for all to edit) and appears to have been done unilaterally. I'd support a CT to repeal it as well.  Master Jonathan &mdash; Jedi Council Chambers Thursday, October 13, 2011, 18:57 UTC
 * Thanks for digging that up. What do you guys think about situations where the OS capitalizes the rank? There's a ton of ambiguity in sources on this, especially in the (dare I say it) more poorly edited stuff, like the RPGs and video games (as opposed to the novels). Would we always bow to the OS if it capitalizes something like, "I saw the Captain the other day talking to a Twi'lek Lieutenant," or would we override that, provided the CT passed? I'd vote for overriding, but it is another point to consider. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 19:05, October 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * As long as the whole of original source material is inconsistent, I think we have the ability to choose the most logical option and stick with it for our own consistency. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:07, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

Response
I left a message for Trak Nar and I don't know how on coruscant how to work this IRC. All I know is that im being unfairly treated. Star wars head to head tag teams is a canon source, and all the articles i made where done with common sense. If it says sly moore's signature move is fear-inducing stare, it safe to say she makes you afraid when she looks at u just a thoughtDonmax 04:18, October 22, 2011 (UTC)

R-3PO
In the newly added Protocol Droids entry to the Encyclopedia over at SW.com, in the rotating header is an image of a red protocol droid. As far as I know, R-3PO is the only known red protocol droid in the Star Wars universe. I have the image cropped down, if you feel it would be appropriate for the infobox of Ar-Threepio's article. Because the image isn't explicitly stated to be him, I didn't just automatically upload and add the image. Thoughts? -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 02:21, October 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you for bringing this to my attention. If we knew for sure it was R-3PO, I would say go for it. But I do believe that's in fact TC-3. Toprawa and Ralltiir 02:25, October 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * And that was precisely why I asked. I didn't realize there was another red protocol droid. And the Encyclopedia image must be TC-3, it looks identical, right down to the silver neck area. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 02:34, October 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Agreed with that assessment. Thank you nonetheless. Toprawa and Ralltiir 02:36, October 23, 2011 (UTC)

Davin Felth voice
Hello Toprawa, according to page 58 of the book The Sounds of Star Wars, all ANH stormtroopers were voiced by disc jockeys Terry McGovern, Jerry Walters, Scott Beach and Morgan Upton. The lines were all said over a walkie talkie and recorded by Ben Burtt. Furthermore, we could rule out McGovern, as he seemingly mentions all his lines on his personal website, and none of Felth's lines are included. Hanzo Hasashi 19:01, October 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe that is it. SavageBob also has The Making of Star Wars: The Definitive Story Behind the Original Film, perhaps you should check with him if that has anything relevant to Felth's behind the scenes. Hanzo Hasashi 00:01, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

AC meeting 40
AC meeting 40 has been scheduled and will take place in the parlour, where gentlemen may partake in cigars and brandies. - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 20:21, October 25, 2011 (UTC)

Clabburn
He is mentioned on p.45 of Alien Anthology, in the book's entry on space slugs, which says Rumors claim that the space pirate Clabburn used several space slugs to guard the entrances to his asteroid base. This entry was then included almost verbatim on p.116 of Ultimate Adversaries, and the sentence mentioning Clabburn is exactly the same --Jinzler 20:01, October 29, 2011 (UTC)

Inqmoot 46
Hey. Just to let you know, Inq Meeting 46 has been scheduled for midnight UTC on 27 November. Green Tentacle (Talk) 16:11, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Mimph
Hey Tope, thanks for the heads up. When I wrote the article, I just copied and pasted the template from the Mimph article, which I believe was in turn copied directly from another Ewoks-related article. I'll be sure to remove the unused fields in the future. Thanks for the review and the tips!&mdash; Axinal  Convocation Chamber 22:36, November 8, 2011 (UTC)

Executor edit
Hey Tope; made a little edit on the Executor page, changing Hudiss to Hurdiss since the article was renamed as per the card text. Also changed the ref link to the correct name as well. It's a minor change, so hope you don't mind, but I thought I'd give you a heads up as a courtesy :) - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 00:03, November 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, strange we all missed it. One of the obvious disadvantages of working off of online copies of the card since the online version I looked at seemed to read "Hudiss". Had to dig through my collection to confirm the change. - Cavalier One FarStar Logo.jpg( Squadron channel ) 09:36, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Insider 129 source for Zuckuss, 4-LOM, Gand, etc...
The information in Mon Mothma's 5 Facts, is it pertinent to the articles and that I must grab this issue when I head out for the weekend, or is it simply stuff that's already been covered by other sources and I need not fret in updating?  Trak Nar  Ramble on 03:40, November 10, 2011 (UTC)

Please do not vandalize my userpage. --Bosda Di&#39;Chi 12:22, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Darth Vich
I have realized there have been alot of edits to Darth Vich stating that he is a Toong, that is probably Fanon, but I think that inspired me to write an article of him as a Toong on Star Wars Fanon.--Darth Deon 00:35, November 20, 2011 (UTC)

Removing Posts
Hi Toprawa and Ralltiir, As you have just reverted my removal of a post, is that not ok for me to remove considering it was my post on Grand Moff Tranner's talk page and no longer has any relevance. --Dkwolf27 03:40, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

Sorry
Hi again, Look, I'm sorry for the language/tone of my post, I was just a bit annoyed off as I didn't want to go ahead and edit the page that I was talking about on Grand Moff Tranner's talk page as I had recieved a fanon warning from him when previously editing it & him not replying was preventing me from moving forward with my editing. Also, I didn't realise that I'm not allowed to remove my own posts, so sorry again --Dkwolf27 03:51, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

[P]odracing
Hey, Tope. Do you know of a recent source that shows that "podracing" is now written without a capital P in official sources? If so, I'm glad to hear it! But from our discussion here, it seems that the sport, the vehicles, and the pilots are still spelled with a capital P, as silly as that is. (This is in reference to your copy edit of Odin Nesloor, by the way.) Thanks, man. ~ Savage  04:10, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries. I'm actually discussing it with Cal on IRC right now. I was unaware of the capitalizing precedent, but we'll get it figured out. Thanks. :) Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:12, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool. Hopefully a source will come out that reveals that "Podrace" was a trademark name that caught on as a generic term for the sport, like Kleenex did for tissues. Then it'd make sense. :P ~ Savage BOB sig.png 04:14, December 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * The Atlas capitalizes in all mentions, too, for future reference, in case no one looked that up yet. Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:31, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

Endicott
Hello Toprawa, I was thinking that perhaps Endicott's intro could benefit with the Battle of Endor information from the biography. It would seem incomplete otherwise. Hanzo Hasashi 21:02, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Seems reasonable. There's also apparently some deleted scenes material from the Blu-ray set that needs to be worked in. I'll add it all in then. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:03, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't have the Blu-ray. Is he in those said scenes? Hanzo Hasashi 21:05, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Apparently, yes. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:05, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * I notice you added Endicott's quote from the deleted scene into his bio. I thought that deleted scenes were only ambiguously canon, and non-canon if they contradicted with canon, as in Shaak Ti's various deaths in Revenge of the Sith. AFAIK I don't think any source treats the Blu-ray deleted scenes any differently. Hanzo Hasashi 15:26, January 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I think we've largely been treating deleted scenes incorrectly. Our canon article defines deleted scenes as such: "The deleted scenes included on the DVDs are also considered G-canon (when they're not in conflict with the movie," which is referenced to this blog statement by Leland Chee: "Are deleted scenes considered G-level? Yes, unless they conflict with something else seen in the films or if the reasoning behind deleting the scene keeps it from being continuity. [ADDENDUM: this applies only to deleted scenes publicly released]." Granted, Chee has also posted this on his Facebook page: "Are deleted scenes G-canon? "Potentially yes, but not always, unless its specifically reinserted into the film like Jabba in ANH and the extended Podracer scenes in the TPM DVD. Certainly not canon if it contradicts the films. Not sure much retconning is necessary for Luke building his lightsaber." Although a more ambiguous statement, this is basically saying that reinserted deleted scenes are absolutely canon, while non-contradicting scenes are "potentially yes" to canon. FWIW, I've discussed this with Tranner regarding the Jerjerrod/Endicott deleted scenes, and we agreed that because a) Chee's SW.com statements are more officially-binding than his Facebook wall posts, b) there is nothing contradictory regarding the Endicott deleted scene material specifically, and c) because it has been publicly released, we're going to treat it as canon in the absence of anything specifically suggesting it would not be. I plan on detailing this explanation in the BTS. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:53, January 5, 2012 (UTC)

Negated vote
I fairly regularly use talk and KB/SH pages to express opinions and add a voice to the overall discussions of various subjects on this Wikia. So to me, choosing to invoke the '50 main edits' position to invalidate my vote on the Death Star renaming subject is an awfully letter of the law rather than spirit of the law interpretation. One that I can't help but notice negates a vote in opposition the position you've openly supported in said discussion.

I understand why the rule is there--there's no reason why anonymous or very occasional editors should be able to vote in large impact decision--but choosing to use the rule in this way seems to me rather underhanded. DigiFluid 22:11, December 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry you feel that way. However, I don't appreciate your insinuation that I am somehow acting underhanded by performing my responsibility as an administrator of this wiki. Our Single-issue voter policy clearly states that the rule applies to talk page consensus votes, as determined by Wookieepedia community consensus. And as an administrator, it is my duty to objectively carry out the policies established by the community, for the community, as I regularly do, regardless of where my personal opinion may lead me to vote on any specific matter. I am not targeting you specifically or personally, nor am I attempting to subjectively influence this vote in any way. I would recommend you make an effort to reach the required edit threshold to allow for reinstatement of your vote if you feel so strongly about this matter. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:21, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

ESB Radio Drama Script
Hello Toprawa, I assume you most likely have access to The Empire Strikes Back: The National Public Radio Dramatization, as you made Venka a featured article back in 2009. Does it include the scene with Cabbel and Xamuel Lennox? The fact that it was never listed under Lennox's sources when he was a featured article, and still not now as he is being renominated, made me assume the scene was not included. Unfortunately, I don't have the book in question, and can't actually check myself. Hanzo Hasashi 04:28, December 31, 2011 (UTC)

2012
Just wanted to say Happy New Year, my friend. Thanks for all your help on Wookieepedia during 2011. :) -- Cal Jedi (Personal Comm Channel) 05:00, January 1, 2012 (UTC)

RE:Signature
-sigh- I just got it working a few months ago. Ok.