Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic


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Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

 * Nominated by: NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 03:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination Comments: I think it may finally be ready... NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 03:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

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 * 1) I strongly feel that this is a good nomination. KotOR's article page was in something of shambles several months ago with a badly written, inconsistently tensed synopsis, revealing of plot details at the beginning, etc. The fact of the matter is though, a large amount of improvement has been done since then and it is a much better article than it was then. While I don't think it's worthy of featured article status, I definitely see it as worthy of being a "good article." Niirfa-sa 23:58, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) After all my grammatical nit-picking, I think it's of GA standard. Soresumakashi 06:47, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) I strongly concur. It's well-written, and it's greatly improved. Qui-Gon Reborn 05:03, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Object **A specialist —either a normal Republic soldier, scout, or scoundrel. Suggest changing specialist and all other cases of it to player instead. There should be no space between specialist and the mdash. 22:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC) **The padawan then follows this map to a krayt dragon's cave and assisted a local hunter, Komad Fortuna, in killing it. Assisted should be assists. **The party baits, finds the beast, and kills it, retrieved the blade from its hide. Suggest rephrasing **The party was leaving the base with droid in hand when they were confronted by Selkath authorities with reports of shots fired within the embassy. Was should be is and were should be are. *Revelation aboard the Leviathan **''The potential students of the academy prove their worth by performing various tasks and gaining prestige. Some of the challenges are martial in nature while others were mental, but all require a certain commitment to the Sith ideals''. Prove should be proved, are should be were and require should be required. **Revan discovers the Rakatans were divided into several tribes. Were should be are. **Revan was able to break Bastila's resolve and persuaded her to turn back to the light. Was should be is and persuaded should be persuades. Yay! I'm done! Have fun fixing the article! Soresumakashi 10:41, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) An excess of redlinks and the synopsis needs to be written in present tense.  Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 14:14, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) *There is no limit towards how many redlinks can be in a GA. DC 15:50, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) **Additionally, in-universe articles are to be written in past tense, per the Manual of Style. // ~mikah~  01:44, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) **Redlinks I was wrong about then, but a synopsis is always written in present tense. Look at the film articles. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 13:49, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) ***Again, directly from the Manual of Style itself, "All in-universe articles should be in past tense, per 'A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...'" Only out-of-universe articles (ie, George Lucas, John Williams) should be written in present tense. Despite whatever tense the film articles are written in, if its not past tense, its wrong. // ~mikah~  14:09, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) ****This is not an in-universe article. Stylistically, plot summaries for anything almost anywhere are in the present tense&mdash;the MoS doesn't contradict this in any way, because this is an OOU article. "In contrast, articles about books, movies, games, or other real-life Star Wars material should obviously be written from an out-of-universe perspective, but should still be noted as such." Our OOU FAs also use this system, and so should this article. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 14:20, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) *****I see what you mean now, I misread what I was reading. So that would be a prominent problem with the article. I'll go ahead and try to fix as much as I can for now. And sorry about the confusion, Drewton. // ~mikah~  14:27, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) ******Fixed NaruHina  Talk[[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 03:59, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no mention I can see that the soundtrack was composed by Jeremy Soule --Jinzler 09:33, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Addressed NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 06:39, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) This does sound kind of strict, but these are meant to be a showcase of our very best articles, so here goes:
 * Trapped on Taris
 * on the Hammerhead-class capital ship, the Endar Spire. Hammerhead should be in italics.
 * When the player wakes, Carth informs him of the situation and that they needed to find and rescue Bastila, whose escape pod had crash-landed somewhere on the planet. Needed should be need and had should be has.
 * and the slums of Lower City. Of Lower City should be of the Lower City.
 * impose a security lock down. Lock down is and should be one word.
 * that has been stolen from them by the Vulkars. Has should be had.
 * Ironically, when they found her. Found should be find.
 * Zaalbar has been captured. Has should be had.
 * The group venture into the sewers, the trio track down and rescue Zaalbar from the slavers. Suggest rephrasing.
 * They Raid the Vulkar Base. Raid should not be capitalized.
 * Afterwards, they return to Gadon and the Beks, they stay the night before going to the swoop race the next morning. Suggest rephrasing
 * At the swoop race, the neophyte racer manages to win the race. Could we just say that the player won the race? There are too many uses of race, and neophyte is a bad word.
 * Before he could accept his prize however, Brejik broke the deal at the last moment, claiming the player has cheated by using the prototype accelerator. Could should be can and broke should be breaks.
 * Bastila breaks free and a fight ensued. Ensued should be ensues.
 * Brejik and his Vulkar thugs could not defeat them and die in the lightfight. Lightfight is defined as a fight where both sides use blasters. Bastila was using a double vibro and we don't know what Revan used. And the sentence needs a full stop. Basic grammar here.
 * Canderous recommends the leader of the party to Davik for hire as a ploy. Last I heard, a ploy was a gambit.
 * It can also mean "trick." NaruHina  Talk
 * Other than that, fixed. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 23:31, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Second Star Map: Tatooine
 * As he and the others left the cave. Left should be leave.
 * Fixed NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 22:15, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Third Star Map: Kashyyyk
 * As a reward for their aid, Freyyr gives his only surviving son Bacca's Ceremonial Blade and allows him to come out of exile and was no longer branded a madclaw. Suggest rephrasing.
 * Shortly thereafter, the Wookiees of the village united under their new chieftain, Freyyr, and rebelled against Czerka with the aid of the party. United should be Unite and rebelled should be rebel.
 * Fixed NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 22:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Fourth Star Map: Manaan
 * The two were the only Human scientists still alive and were trapped in the facility. Both were's should be ares
 * the padawan persuades them to tell him what they knew. Knew should be know.
 * which was responsible for the Selkath's insanity. Was should be is.
 * Fixed NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 23:07, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * For every question he answers incorrectly, Bastila was tortured. Was should be is.
 * Meanwhile the padawan's pick is able to infiltrate the Leviathan. Suggest rewording padawan's pick.
 * Seeing nothing else that they could do. Could should be can.
 * Fixed NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 22:32, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Fifth Star Map: Korriban
 * Are you sure that should be in past tense? NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 22:09, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my mistake. Both are acceptable. Soresumakashi 06:47, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Crash-landing on an unknown world
 * Though he was required to enter alone, Juhani and Jolee, after receiving a vision that warned them that Revan was in danger, joined him at the last minute against the Elders' protests. Warned should be warn, both was and was should be is and is. Joined should be join.
 * They had the vision before which showed them that Revan is in danger.
 * Revan and the others joined the Republic's assault on the Star Forge. Joined should be join.
 * Fixed NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 22:51, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The Star Forge
 * Fixed NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 22:09, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

From the Pasta Bowl of Fiolli: &mdash;  Master Aban Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 22:35, 26 September 2008 (UTC) &mdash; Master Aban Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 17:03, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * First off, the article isn't sourced fully. In fact, it isn't even 75% sourced. The first citation I found was the last paragraph of section five. Every section outside of the intro needs to be sourced.
 * I would like to emphasize that this nomination will not be approved by the AgriCorps until everything is source, including the infobox.  Master Aban Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 17:03, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know about the rest, but for reference sections like plot summary wouldn't need ref tags, as they are self-sourcing. - Lord Hydronium 16:51, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, the infobox is now sourced. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 01:35, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The article is completely sourced. phew NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 06:03, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * "While KotOR does not have as much evident cut content as its sequel, Star Wars Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords, it is still present." &mdash; OR. Reword or find a citation for this.
 * I personally don't feel that qualifys as OR in that it is a lead in to the cut content and we need a separate article for kotor2 cut content. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 03:29, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I strongly beg to differ. If you are inferring or have deduced that this game has less cut content and this is not supported anywhere else, then it is OR. Please find a citation or reword the sentence.  Master Aban Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 05:29, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Is this citation good? NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 13:42, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, it is not. If you can find documentation that compares the cut content, then I will allow it. Otherwise, there is no quantifiable way of determining which would have included more.  Master Aban Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 17:03, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Removed NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 03:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * "It features the planet Sleheyron&hellip;" What is it? The game? Sleheyron is not in the game. Reword.
 * Reworded. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 03:29, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * "The existence of a cut planet can be also deduced&hellip;" &mdash; OR.
 * Again, it leads into it but reworded. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 03:29, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Same as before: Find a citation or reword. Master Aban Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 05:29, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I did reword it. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 13:42, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I added a lot of fact tags to the page where there was definite missing of citation. Please look into these.
 * I believe that they have all been taken care of. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 07:27, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Section six has too many short paragraphs please restructure this section.
 * There is no source list. There are many KotOR supplements that are OOU which can be used to further beef up this article.
 * There are two very important ones: here and here.
 * Plus, Chronicles probably has some information as to further development and tying in storylines.
 * Added NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 03:29, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, so there is a basic source list. Now, the citations from these documents are very important.  Master Aban Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 05:29, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The plot which is described in section two is very much a play-by-play of the game. While this isn't necessary bad, it is too detailed and only one means of game completion.
 * There is no mention that planets can be completed in any order.
 * From atop the synopsis: "(Note: This is based on the canonical male light side version of the game and assumes that the planets are visited in the order Dantooine, Tatooine, Kashyyyk, Manaan and Korriban. Gender, Force alignment, order of planets visited and other variables can differ depending on the input of the player.)" NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 05:20, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I missed that. My apologies. However, you should use the gameLS and endgame tags as needed throughout the article. The further detailing of this can be left where you have it, but I wouldn't use "Note:" or put it in parenthesis.  Master Aban Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 05:29, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 07:39, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no mention that Calo Nord can appear in multiple places, as can Darth Bandon.
 * Addressed in the Alternate Stories NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 05:20, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The middle of this section lacks pictures and the ones clustered above are too close together.
 * Addressed NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 13:42, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * In that case, could you define the "middle" of the article. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 03:00, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, there has been an Alternate Stories section for a while. I am in the middle of sourcing it now. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 07:32, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * There is no section about primary characters. Characters are listed, but not explained with relation to their role in the game. Please see Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi for a good example of how this is done.
 * There is now a budding main character section, albeit still under construction. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 08:15, 11 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Finished. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 23:42, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Honestly, this is just from a cursory look. I really didn't read too much of the article. Once these things have been addressed, I'll be happy to look at it again.
 * Two other things before I take another look at the nomination:
 * There is a lot of information missing from the article about conception, creation and production, supplemental media, and the critical reaction seems to be bare bones. Please take a look again at Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi to see the structure. I really want to see "Conception," "Production," and "(Supplemental) Media" sections. Also, I would like to see the different story arcs to have the seealso template used to link to the various incidents, from Attack on the Endar Spire and Rescue of Bastila Shan to Skirmish aboard the Leviathan and the final battles.
 * I felt it superfluous but I'll try. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 13:16, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Conception was added but because there were no real changes to the script, it can't be much longer. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 04:25, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * All of the characters are completely new, and some of the locations are brand new as well. Surely there is concept art for these individuals and places. There must, therefore, be someone who drafted these things and bantered around ideas. The Sunrider controversy also came into play during both conception and (I believe) production as it skewed the story away from Vima Sunrider and to a renaming of Bastila Shan and Juhani. Brief mention of all this can easily be included in this section.  Master Aban Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 22:05, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm also unsure how to write a production section seeing as it is only a single game. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 01:52, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * How long did it take to record the voiceovers? Were there changes in casting? How long did it take to do the graphics? Were there any glitches that postponed (or almost postponed) release? Discuss how the graphics were put together; changes made to the concept art, etc. Maybe a mention of the Sunrider controversy might be useful here if it is applicable to changes made. There are a lot of different angles that can be taken when exploring this.  Master Aban Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 22:05, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Youtube is not a source. Youtube might show a possible outcome, but should not be used as a source. Instead, please cite the game and the scene it comes from. Then, if you feel it is necessary, show an alternate link to Youtube to highlight a possible outcome.
 * Fixed. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 13:09, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Vote to remove nomination (AgriCorps only)
 * 1) Seems to be going nowhere.  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  23:42, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) *Technically, NaruHina is still working on it, but it still has a very, very long way to go.  Master Aban Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 22:05, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Agreed. I have seen no willingness of his, both here and in IRC, to work with Fiolli. This thing is going nowhere. Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:14, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Nyaaa, see? What he said.  Graestan ( Talk ) 03:18, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * I'm pretty sure the excess redlink template should be at the top of the article, as per wookieepedia's page layout policies. Soresumakashi 06:47, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Moved NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 21:07, 19 September 2008 (UTC)