Talk:Canderous Ordo

Candy Quotes?
Karohalva mentioned that he was going to post a supply of Canderous's quotes from Knights of the Old Republic. Anyone know whether he did not not? If so, where can I find it; and if not, could you post a link to one? Thanks.--Master Dakari 21:34, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

We should make our own canon!
I think that they should call Canderous Mandalore the Uniter do to the fact that he reunited the Mandalorian clans after the Jedi Civil War.


 * ...and? Why are you telling us this?
 * Plus, please put your signature at the end of each of your messages. This can be done using 4 ~. Thanks! Jasca Ducato 18:19, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)

He is a Mandalorian, not a human. Hell, the trait of a pure blooded Mandalorian is *grey skin*, and he has grey skin.
 * You'll get banned... --Master Starkeiller 17:24, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * The Mandalorian species (Taung) don't look like humans. - Sikon [ Talk ] 17:26, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Someone get this guy banned already... --Master Starkeiller 17:27, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I've left a notice on the mainpage discussion asking for him to get banned. I'm getting sick of reverting his crap! Jasca Ducato 17:43, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Sith War
Canderous did not fight in the Sith War. It wasn't until after the Sith War that Mandalore the Ultimate recruited other species into the Mandalorian Wars.--152.163.100.195 19:33, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * He says in the game that he fought with the Mandalorians for over forty years. That would include the Sith War. Kuralyov 19:40, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

No it does not. The Mandalorian Wars took place 40 years after the Sith War. And con't forget that Canderous says, "40 of your years."

"Canderous Ordo was recruited or "converted" to Mandalore the Ultimates cause during the Mandalorian Wars." Mandalorian Article in Insider 80. Thefore that means he was not present during the Sith Wars, as the Mandalorian species did not start recruiting other species until AFTER the Sith War.

So therefore I will change it back again.--152.163.100.195 22:06, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The article was wrong. Primary sources take precedence. Kuralyov 23:20, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

No the article is not wrong. It is the primiary source for all things Mandalorian. Canderous Ordo did not fight in the Sith War, and there is nothing to support that he did. No offical source, nothing. Canderous said, "40 of YOUR years to Revan," so that's another thing against you right there. Fact of the matter is that Mandalore the Ultimate did not start recruiting other species until the Mandalorian Wars.

Unless you have an offical source, a line about the Sith War in the game, or some other then you are wrong. You assuming that he faught in the Sith War, based on the 40 years remark, but that is all you have. I have the Article, which was plugged into the Holocron as offical source on Mandalorians.--205.188.117.5 03:15, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I am assuming that he fought in the Sith War, because it ended exactly forty years before KOTOR I, and if someone specifically says that he fought with the Mandalorians for over forty years, then there is no way he means that he joined up less than ten years previously. Kuralyov 15:08, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's the actual text from the article: Canderous Ordo was one of the Mandalorians who survived the fall of the Crusaders. Ordo was recruited or "converted" to Mandalore the Ultimate's cause during the Mandalorian Wars, where he was among those to serve as a battle tactician rather than a foot soldier. So you were wrong on both counts: Canderous was in the Sith War, and the article actually says that. Kuralyov 01:43, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Also, he said in KOTOR I that they had never experienced the Jedi before, except from "holovids, and our experiences with Exar Kun. And by that time, he was complete Sith" which states that he was around by that time. SarimThiri 14:20, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * One: He could have been talking about Mandalorians in general. Two: It was TSL. Three: Jolee and Canderous in K1 banter suggests that Canderous was infact in the Sith War. Remember that Jolee and Canderous both talked about Exar I believe. Jono R 19:48, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Birthdate
Someone at TFN said that the developers posted a birth date for him; can anyone confirm this? Kuralyov 23:03, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * There was a rumour going around that he was 57 during KOTOR. I forget what the source was - possibly one of the websites or game guides. I do remember that it was a fairly obscure statement and not entirely official...--Sentry 08:21, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait, I just found it. Obsidian forums discussion topic. I was off by a year. He was in fact 58 in KOTOR and 63 circa KOTOR2 in Mandalorian Years whatever that is supposed to mean. Since Chris Avellone's original post was deleted from those boards, I cannot varify the authenticity of the information. As such, it probably should not be added to the article.--Sentry 08:46, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Why can't we contact him and ask if he posted this? - Sikon [ Talk ] 14:32, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I found theoriginal post. Canderous/Mandalore is 63 in K2. And it also clarifies other characters' age - Brianna, Mical and Visas Marr are all 25, Mira is 23, and Atton Rand is 29-32. So it gives the following birth dates:


 * Atton - 3,983 BBY to 3,980 BBY
 * Brianna, Mical, Visas - 3,976 BBY
 * Canderous - 4,014 BBY
 * Mira - 3,974 BBY

- Sikon

[ Talk ] 15:22, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Since a Mandalorian is an adult when he'she is 13 and able to fight. And Canderous saide he was figthing for "40 of your years" that mean's that he is 53 in KOTOR, in Kotor 2 he would be four years older, so he would be 57 as Mandalore.--Revan 20:48, 11 August 2006 (UTC) I'm afraid 4,014 BBY won't fit the bill. Mandalorian years ain't standard years, and since we know nothing of Mandalorian years we don't actually know his birth date, the one in the article is fanon. What we do know is that Canderous was 63 in 3,951 BBY. If he first fought at the age of 13, as from A Practical Man we understand all the mandies do, then the 45 standard years of combat he spoke of (40+5) would be 50 in Mandalorian years (63-13). That means Canderous is about 57 standard years old (63*45/50). Tradition was important to Mandalorians, but can we assume he really did pass the verd'goten at the age of 13 without any source on the matter? In any event 4,014 BBY is fanon.--Jinger 04:06, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Talking standard years, he passed the verd'goten forty years before 3,956 BBY. The article about Mandalorians says they get to prove themselves at the age of 13, but that doesn't mean one is not entitled to delay if for some reason they can't.--Jinger 20:35, 3 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not fanon, it was explictly part of the background written by the developers. QuentinGeorge 04:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Mandalorian years. His age is in Mandalorian years, we can't just call'em standard years because that gets us a birth date in the galactic standard calendar, it's no serious information. It is clearly said that MY are different from SY, first of all by Canderous, and Avellone too, I mean the casting guys who established his age. 4,008 BBY would probably be more accurate (3,951+57 BBY) but I don't think we should put it in the article without some more grounding.--Jinger 13:56, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

Mandalore image
I think the old one was better, this one is too dark. (Has it become a tradition to upload dark and hardly comprehensible images?) - Sikon [ Talk ] 06:46, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Battle of Dantooine
"It also had an indirect effect on another battle; Esok's clan had been working for mercenary commander and ex-Sith commando Azkul when they joined the Mandalorians on Dxun. This happened shortly before the First Battle of Dantooine, where Azkul attempted to attack the Khoonda. This caused Azkul's losses on the inital stage of the battle to be worse than they could have been in the sense of having even less troops."

I'm not sure that really works, given the context of the game. What I mean is, I almost always go to Dantooine early on in the game, before Mandalore joins the party therefore Mandalore does not recruit the two Mandalorians before the Battle of Dantooine, furthermore, I'm pretty sure they don't take part anyway. Certainly they're still at the camp after the battle. This suggests to me that the Mandalorians were not actually employed by Azkul, but rather just kinda "hung round" with them. Basically, whethere or not thye join Mandalore before the Battle of Dantooine is totally user controlled, therefore it can't be established canon. So, any objections to me altering/removing this paragraph. 95 Headhunter

C.O. is a Dark-Sider!
I'm in the midst of playing KOTOR nowadays; how do I bring him into the Light Side? --68.102.193.78 03:47, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * You can't. Only in KOTOR II you can change your party members' alignment. Even there, getting influence on Canderous/Mandalore is extremely hard. - Sikon [ Talk ] 05:55, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Even then there is no real point because you can't make him a Jedi...124.181.245.218 12:34, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Canderous mentioned in Triple Zero
He's mentioned as a great warrior by Kal Skirata and names N-11 after him. I'm going to go ahead and add that.--Ranat 23 20:24, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Canderous and Zaalbar are buggy (post-Leviathan)
On the Ebon Hawk and when they're in my party, when I double-click them, they won't talk to me anymore. They just turn their bodies toward me but no dialog screen occurs.

When they're in my party outside the Ebon Hawk, the only way I can get them to talk to me is if I switch the leaders of the party and have them select Revan. For that while, I felt like I solved the problem until I started running. They didn't follow. I don't want to have to keep manually switching leaders and have each of them catch up one at a time.

Does anyone else know about this glitch? How do I fix it? --68.102.193.78 02:28, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Once again, Wookieepedia talk pages are not meant to be used as a forum 68.102.193.78. If you want to ask these questions somewhere, join the Obsidian or Bioware message boards.--Sentry 07:35, 27 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Its never happened to me, but both Knights of the Old Republic games are extremely glitchy. The second one is far worse.--Darth Oblivion 12:11, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

Dxun
The Dxun article clearly states that the Mandalorian base there was established before the Mandalorian Wars. However, this article suggests it is Canderous who sat that base up. Have I misunderstood something or is it something in which the two articles contradict each other? -

"He set up a base on Dxun, a small moon orbiting Onderon"

- this article

"After assuming the leadership of the Mandalorians, Mandalore the Ultimate made Dxun his stronghold, from which he planned his attack on the Republic"

- Dxun .

TopAce 16:47, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

He helped renovate a previous base on Dxun. This is why you had to repair the satellite dish and all that: they were old. NKSCF 16:51, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm rephrasing the sentence to make it clearer that it is not Canderous that set that base up. - TopAce 16:52, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Ok. Glad I could help. NKSCF 16:53, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

German article
The German article on Canderous is longer and more complete than ours. Maybe we should translate it? - Sikon (Vacation) 09:15, 24 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It's possible the German writer just paraphrased, and it's a bad idea to just steal theres to cover our egos...-Leon Loire, 9/2/06 11:55p.m.


 * Hey, it isn't stealing. - Sikon 06:26, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * "Requisition, if it helps" :D &hellip;I don't think we need to. We can work on our own and make a better work yet.--Jinger 17:49, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Was Canderous evil?
Sometimes i get the impression that he is, then he's not?

what do you think?

Master Nikolce 23:36, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * You cannot call someone evil in a Wookieepedia article, regardless of what they did. Period. - Sikon 03:16, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Such characterizations violate the NPOV policy.– 03:59, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * In both games his alliance was pointed to dark; that is completely canonical Revan&#39;s Bane 19:06, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * hey Sikon,.....................you're evil. 70.41.241.143 17:32, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It is already stated that he has an alignment to the Dark Side, but that doesnt mean to say that he is evil. I mean, G0-T0 was a Dark Sided character and I wouldnt call his intentions evil. Chaota Vos 03:51, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Webster defines evil as "arising from actual or imputed bad character or conduct". If that isn't Mandalore's character then what is? --Bron Hañda 01:27, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Image Use
This article either needs major expanding or the removal of an image. It hurts to look at how tight the writing is at first. I would try to edit it, but I don't know how to use images. Revan&#39;s Bane 19:06, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

How do we know Canderous is Mandalore who traveled with the Exile?
I fail to see how Canderous from KotOR is the Mandalore from KotOR II. Th only way I could see is they both start off a conversation "Yeah, what do you want?" Is there any OTHER quote from KotOR II I didn't catch that says that he is Canderous? Thanks in advance
 * You see the unmasked image on the page, anon? Or the fact their voices are identical? Or that he claims to have travelled with Revan? Identical appearance + identical voice + identical background = same guy QuentinGeorge 05:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * In addition, when you ask Kreia about Mandalore after the final battle, she will mention his name. ("...And Canderous is a loyal beast...") - Sikon 06:20, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That and the dedication to Clan Ordo... .  .  .  .  06:36, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Ultimate Quote Supply
Tommorow I will (if I have time) upload the collected dialog of Canderous as found in KOTOR. Karohalva 05:17, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay well I dunno if this is you on the forums but the quotes are here: http://boards.theforce.net/Literature/b10003/19305982/?25

changed
I put in the thing about canderous, hk, and t3 following revan no matter what. is that ok? Darthan the destroyer 23:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Canderous's loyalties, as well as those of HK and T3, have already been explained in the article in much greater depth and detail. Israi 19:17, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Picture
There is a rule in this wiki (I don't know if it's written anywhere or if it's just a general concescous) that 'late' images should be used as main images. For example Obi-Wan article has Alec Guinness' version instead of Ewan's. I have seen this in some other circumstances. Since Canderous was a Mandalore, maybe we should place his armored pic as the main image? MoffRebus 20:34, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * The "latest appearance" is more a guideline than a rule; in this case, pictures that show the face of the character are considered better (see Jango Fett). - Lord Hydronium 20:42, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * And we can't use his helmet less image from TSL since it's technically not canon...damn Lucasarts. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 20:44, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Mandalore the Preserver
As revealed in the new KOTOR RPG guide thing, Canderous' title as Mandalore is "Mandalore the Preserver". I propose this page's name is changed to reflect that, seeing as how (as far as we know) Ordo was known as "Mandalore" ever since reuniting the clans. Revan211 06:41, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I suppose that's more than just a title, I agree.--Jinger 08:12, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * (Moving to bottom of page) I was actually going to suggest the name change. The galaxy doesn't know Canderous as Canderous. They know him as Mandalore. Only Kreia, Revan, the Exile, and (I guess) the first crew of the Ebon Hawk really are familiar with his name.-- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 03:44, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * He's well known enough to have a Mandalorian tank named after him though. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 10:31, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Good point. It's still the latest name he's gone by, the article should reflect that. And yet, think about how many times he's referred to as Canderous (in how many articles, I mean) that's another thing to consider.--Jinger 11:13, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Mandalore's more a title than a name, even with the epithet attached. He doesn't really stop being Canderous Ordo, and we have both the tank and a Null ARC, as well as the NEC, that show many went on to remember him by that name. The only other precedent we really have for this is Alpha-Ø2, who no one actually calls "Mandalore the Resurrector" and we keep at "Alpha-Ø2" (though I think a good argument could be made for it being at "Spar" as well). - Lord Hydronium 12:46, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * He's better known as Mandalore, so I'd agree with moving his page. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 03:17, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I disgree. Most people know him as Canderous Ordo.  I agree with the point that Mandalore is just a title.  Boba Fett is Mandalore, but we don't have his article titled as "Mandalore" because most people know him better as Boba Fett.  &mdash;  Sadriel Fett  [[Image:Mandalorian Neo-Crusader and Modern Era Symbol.JPG|45px]] 22:05, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Not exactly. By K2 came around, really only Kreia and Revan knew. Who knows about the other members of the Ebon Hawk but on a Galaxy scale and on the scale of the Mandalorians (fuzzy if the Galaxy knew that a new Mandalore had even been chosen), he was known as Mandalore. Dhagon ("knew him before he became Mandalore.") always refers to him as Mandalore. Never ever Canderous. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 22:39, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Its more of a title. People knew Mitth'raw'nuruodo as Thrawn. The other Mandalores' names are unknown. Canderous is his true name. We should make Mandalore the Preserver a redirect. And Mandalorians always formally call tne Mandalore, "Mandalore" anyway. And He was rarely refferred to by Name either way in KOTOR2. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 22:14, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Also we have a page called Murdered Mandalore. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 22:19, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The difference was that Thrawn is simply the "core" version of Mitth'raw'nuruodo; they'll really the same names. Thrawn never really changed his name. It's different for Mandalore/Canderous. In an encyclopedia written by someone in the galaxy, the article would be titled as Mandalore. Only some Mandos would remember him as Canderous, and they likely wouldn't care much for encyclopedias... Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 01:36, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "It's different for Mandalore/Canderous. In an encyclopedia written by someone in the galaxy, the article would be titled as Mandalore." - I don't know where you're getting that from, but in-universe sources like the New Essential Chronology do call him Canderous, as do semi-OOU sources like History of the Mandalorians (which uses it even when talking about him in the role of Mandalore). - Lord Hydronium 05:14, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Show me proof that he told people that He had changed his name to "Mandalore" and I will concede. But you will probably find that hard. He was rarely called by name by anyone onboard the Hawk, to my memory (which I admit is scetchy) he was never called Mandalore by anyone on the Hawk and the one time he was called by his name was when Kreia called him Canderous, and any Mando calling him "Mandalore" can be attributed to calling him by his Rank, such as King or Grand Admiral. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 05:43, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The title was taken up as a name, at least in this era. Canderous never was known as Canderous after he became Mandalore. But at least in the beginning of the article should be a statement that he became "Mandalore the Preserver", as we know that most Mandalores were known by their titles, and all in this era. I propose that the article be kept as Canderous as he wasn't always the Mandalore, and because his real name is known, but that in the article be his Mandalore name like with all the other Mandalores with known full titles. SarimThiri 16:00, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

If we follow are own policy the article should be at Mandalore he was best and most recently know as that. –K.A.J•T•C•E• 17:46, 24 August 2008 (UTC)
 * He said most not all. We don't know Mandalore the Ultimate's name so we call him by his title. We can't even assume he was given his name before he died. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 21:32, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Main image
Could we have a bearded and bruised Canderous as the main image? As that is his most recent appearance. –K.A.J•T•C•E• 14:48, 30 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 15:01, 30 August 2008 (UTC)

Revan's reasons?
Kreia’s predicts, “in ordering Canderous to reunite the Mandalorians, they would be remembered for thousands of years to come.” Was this Revan’s intention or is it more likely he foresaw battles against the Sith Triumvirate like the Onderon Civil War and the Battle of Telos IV and thought a military force outside the Republic was necessary to fight the Sith. --Bron Hañda 01:17, 13 February 2009 (UTC)