Talk:ARC-77

what's the source for his designation?--Xilentshadow900 19:06, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * The Star Wars Insider 84 online supplement on Hyperspace; I would provide a quote but I'm not sure if that would be entirely legal. MarcK 19:51, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Also, it says it in the Guide to the Grand Army of the Republic in the same Insider issue. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 21:46, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * What proof do we have that Fordo is the indeed the clone, whom I believe to be a mere commander as opposed to an ARC, seen in the Clone Wars cartoon defending Coruscant against the Separatists??? To be honest, this is the only place I've seen that or anything that could even be construed as that. In fact, this is the only place I've seen Fordo mentioned beyond his actions on Hypori.
 * I haven't seen any proof that Fordo was that clone. But, if he was, would that armor be Phase II ARC trooper armor? Cmdr. J. Nebulax 13:27, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * It was in the insider 84 supplement. They said fordo had Jaig eyes, so I got to thinking, well, who has jaig eyes? then i realised it must be in volume two, and there he was. the avatars on the star wars site list him as a clone shocktrooper.--Xilentshadow900 16:54, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, Fordo wasn't a shock trooper, as we all know. We was an ARC trooper. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 18:11, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Yep. It is possible that the ARC troopers were reformed as shock troopers though. Is there a picture of an ARC with phase two armor? just wondering.--Xilentshadow900 00:11, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I was assuming that ARC-77's armor in Volume Two was ARC Phase II armor. Also, the ARCs didn't become shock troopers. They stayed as ARCs. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 00:13, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Hm. Here's something interesting. Karen Traviss and ryan kaufman said that "The true ARCs worked alone". its a monkey wrench, but still...--Xilentshadow900 00:33, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe the Null ARCs work alone, but the standard ARCs work in squads, as seen in The Clone Wars microseries. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 12:39, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I dont think that's the case, because thats why they made republic commandos. The makers of that game said "If you want something done, send an army of clone troopers, one ARC trooper, or a squad of commandos"--Xilentshadow900 14:36, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, in all of the images I've seen, ARCs worked with either other ARC troopers or standard troopers. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 16:03, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * What about the defense of naboo? Alpha worked with Anakin there. And on the battle of jabiim, he worked with Obi-wan. ARCs didnt work in squads, with the battle of muunilisnt being the exception, because the clone wars series didnt really grasp the continuity.--Xilentshadow900 21:32, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * You have a point there. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:38, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * There's no such thing as phase II ARC trooper armor. ARC troopers, just as Republic commandos, retained the armor issued to them at the war's onset even as their brethren in the regular army made the transition to phase II armor. Once more, ARCs do indeed operate alone, not in squads (although they do work together when the situation calls for it, such as on Hypori), and report only to their Jedi Generals. They operate outside of the command structure of the GAR. -- AdmThrawn --


 * I thought as much, but that does not explain Fordo. Perhaps he was phased into the command structure of the army as a shocktrooper?--Xilentshadow900 20:06, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Doubtful. And AmThrawn, the reason why we're suggesting that there was Phase II ARC armor was due to Fordo's (if that was him) armor in Volume Two of the Clone Wars mircoseries. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:29, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * The fact remains: there is no proof or evidence that Fordo and the mystery clone on Coruscant are on in the same. In my opinion, the Coruscant clone was a mere clone commander, like Cody or Thire, as opposed to a commando. -- AdmThrawn --
 * I agree. However, there always is the possibility that they are the same. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 21:27, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Um, there IS proof. The Star Wars Insider 84 online supplement on Hyperspace. They say the guy with Jaig eyes is Fordo. Its really simple.--Xilentshadow900 22:36, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Here's the quote: "...in Vol. 2 of the Clone Wars Animated Series, Captain Fordo sports a painted design on his helmet. These are 'jaig eyes,' representing the eyes of a Mandalorian hawk known as a jaig'alaar. And they were an honor bestowed upon the best of the clone soldiers for particular acts of bravery. We couldn't fit this into the article due to space, but it was a fun piece of trivia to add." Cmdr. J. Nebulax 00:35, 16 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * As a Hyperspace subsriber, I'm suprised I missed that. My mistake. I still maintain that, however, that ARCs did not make the transistion to phase II armor, and that Fordo's armor is an anomaly among the ARCs. -- AdmThrawn --
 * Well, remember, he was an ARC captain. It is possible, however unlikely, that as the number of ARCS decreased and they started using them individually, rather than in squads, that they phased fordo into the regular army.--Xilentshadow900 11:23, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I highly doubt it. In my opinion, Fordo, being a captain, was likely given temporary command of a company of men and tasked with defending that bridge until reinforcements could arrive. And for the last time, ARCS DIDN'T OPERATE IN SQUADS! That's what freakin' made them freakin' ARCs. They operated alone, behind enemy lines. The fact that they had to fight through an entire droid army only to come face-to-face with General Grievous was the sole reason that we saw them in a squad on Hypori. -- AdmThrawn --
 * I know that ARCs did not work in squads. Thats why they have the clone commandos. But, Insider 84 states that squads of troopers would sometimes be put together, like the Muunilinst 10. Whatever it is about fordo, we don't know, so we should put this to rest until questions are answered by an official source.--Xilentshadow900 20:08, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * And AdmThrawn, not everything you say is right. There could have been other ARC squads as well as the Muunilinst 10, since ARCs came before commandos. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:13, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I only took issue with the fact that he made it sound as if ARCs operated in squads, not unlike the Republic commandos, as a matter of policy and procedure and on a regular basis. That's all. -- AdmThrawn --
 * Well, we know that ARCs sometimes worked in squads. End of discussion on that. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:30, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, you overreacted. Shame on you. If you had looked and read the whole page, you would have seen this quote from me: "ARCs didnt work in squads, with the battle of muunilisnt being the exception, because the clone wars series didnt really grasp the continuity."--Xilentshadow900 20:32, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Xilent, I hope you're talking to AdmThrawn. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:35, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Of course i am!--Xilentshadow900 20:37, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * "Well, remember, he was an ARC captain. It is possible, however unlikely, that as the number of ARCS decreased and they started using them individually, rather than in squads, that they phased fordo into the regular army.--Xilentshadow900 11:23, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)" Try telling me that that doesn't make it sound as if ARCs regularly operated in squads rather than as individuals, as opposed to the other way around, with a straight face. My mistake for not browsing through your month-old posts before making mine. Shame on you.... -- AdmThrawn --
 * Don't come into a conversation blind. I hope you learned as much.--Xilentshadow900 20:47, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * AdmThrawn, shame on you. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:52, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Zing!--Xilentshadow900 21:07, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Eat a bullet. You two didn't need to go on your periods just because I dared touch that "Caps Lock" button and used the word "freakin'" more than once. -- AdmThrawn --
 * Chill out dude. You're clearly over reacting. --Xilentshadow900 21:15, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't get it. I, by chance, skimmed through your comments pretaining to what we're talking about and moved to disagree with your latter points, which I read in full. You two then proceed to get all snippy simply because you don't like being told you could be wrong. I really don't need any chilling. Dude. -- AdmThrawn --
 * Well, AdmThrawn, you do need to chill out. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 21:21, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)


 * people get snippy when you incorrectly debate something that's already been agreed on. --Xilentshadow900 21:22, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I suppose that's an excuse for you, rather than correcting me and moving on, opting to have hot flashes and getting your butt buddy to gang up on me simply due to the fact that you didn't like someone who dared raise the possibility that you could dare be mistaken. -- AdmThrawn --
 * Correcting what? You haven't given a contradicting point this whole time. All you've done is pointlessly and incorrectly argue. And if I'm getting "snippy," I can't even begin to find a word to describe what you're doing. "You two need to back the hell off." "you didn't like someone who dared raise the possibility that you could dare be mistaken."--Xilentshadow900 21:38, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * My main point, if you'd bothered to notice, had nothing to do with ARC squads. It was simpy an aside. Granted, in capital letters. I put forth that I disagreed with your notion of Fordo being reassigned to the regular army. Remember that? I reasoned that Fordo had been given temporary command of a division of men in an effort to push back the droids, just as the ARCs were given command of divisions that were not their's during the Battle of Kamino at the war's onset. -- AdmThrawn --
 * Well, it would have been much easier to understand if you'd have said that in the first place. And I said it was a possibility, and an unlikely one at that, and even there, you overreacted.--Xilentshadow900 21:55, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Firstly, I did say it in the first place. The first sentence. Not up-front enough for you? Secondly, if you think I "overreacted" simply by disagreeing with you, then you're the one with problems, not me. What's with all this "overreacting" stuff, anyway? What do you live in a communue? -- AdmThrawn --
 * "Secondly, if you think I "overreacted" simply by disagreeing with you, then you're the one with problems, not me." You overreacted by using caps lock and telling people to "Back the hell off." If you can't keep yourself civil during a calm debate, that is called overreacting. Now stop spamming and do something constructive.--Xilentshadow900 22:05, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I guess that's what happens when you're backed into a corner and lose. Now, back to the construction. My points have been made. If you want to disagree with them, you obviouly know how to respond to them. However, as you're apparently not a fan of reading, I'll repeat them for you. I put forward that Fordo had not been reassigned to the regular army, and that the troops he commanded on Coruscant were not his, rather, they had been given to him due to his superior training and due to the severity of the situation. I'll let you decide who blew what out of proportion. -- AdmThrawn --


 * The amazing thing here, is that nobody argued against that point.--Xilentshadow900 22:16, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Exactly. We knew that already. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:22, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Alpha-77 > ARC-77
Shouldn't the article be titled Alpha-77 instead of ARC-77? Fordo, as a member of the Alpha class, should have the same title and designation as the rest of its members (Nate, Spar, Alpha, etc.) shouldn't he? --AdmThrawn 23:25, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC) Date Posted: Jan 10, 2006 05:41 AM
 * I guess, but "ARC-77" is still a good title. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:13, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying it's not. I just think his name should sync up with the rest of the ARCs to keep confusion at a minimum. I don't see why it needs to be different from everybody else's. --AdmThrawn 00:19, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, what the hell, move it. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:22, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Roger that. ARC-77 moved to Alpha-77. --AdmThrawn 00:24, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * And I fixed the article. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:26, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Where is he called alpha-77?--Xilentshadow900 11:33, 9 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * He's a part of the Alpha-class ARCs. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:31, 9 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * What's the source for that?--Xilentshadow900 22:49, 9 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, considering the main ARCs were Alpha-class ARCs... But as for that, ask AdmThrawn. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:41, 9 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, we don't know that for a fact. And besides, Fordo was an ARC Captain. There could be Beta ARCs as well. I suggest we move it back.--Xilentshadow900 01:28, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * You think we should move it back just because he might be part of a nonexistent class of ARC troopers? It doesn't matter if Fordo was a captain. Captains aren't part of any specific class. A-17 was a captain and a member of the Alpha class. And we know Fordo isn't a member of the Null class because he's seen operating in the field on a number of occasions, something the Nulls weren't permitted to do. There are only two classes of ARCs. If he's not part of one, he's part of the other. Simple as that. --AdmThrawn 02:28, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * As long as we haven't seen Alpha-77 specifically, we should move it back to ARC-77, as you don't really know what classes of ARCs there are. You also happen to be talking out of your ass. Shut it, will you?--Xilentshadow900 02:32, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * That's right. I forgot you were the one with the corncob permanently stuck up your ass. Listen, there are only two classes of ARCs. The Alpha class and the Null class. If Fordo isn't part of the Null class, he's part of the Alpha class, thus making him Alpha-77. Like Alpha-17. Like Alpha-02. Like Alpha-98. We're not moving it back to ARC-77 just because he might be part of the Beta class or the Omikron class, neither of which exist if you haven't got that. I'll shut it when putzes like you stop taking issue with things that make perfect sense. --AdmThrawn 02:45, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, did George Lucas go up to you and tell you specifically that there were two types of ARCs? No? Karen Traviss? Was it stated anywhere that there are only two types of ARCs? Are you colorblind perhaps? Because the last time I checked, Fordo's Armor color is RED, while the regular Armor color is BLUE. Oh, no Admthrawn, it isn't a fashion statement. See, that shows different types of clone troopers. Now, isn't it possible that the two different types of clone troopers will have two different designations? And is it possible, and I know this may be hard for you, but don't you think it to be reasonable that you stop making shit up? Fordo has NEVER been called Alpha-77, and hardly ever ARC-77. So when you stop making up stuff with your nonsense logic, we'll take off your "I'm a dumbass" sticker. Kay? Quit screwing around.--Xilentshadow900 03:24, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * This here, ladies and gentlemen, is a classic example of why you should do your homework before arguing with someone who knows what they're talking about. Fordo's armor is red because he is a captain. Captains have red armor, red pauldrons, and red kamas. Lieutenants have blue armor, blue pauldrons, and blue kamas. You're right. It's not a fashion statement. It also has nothing to do with which class of ARCs they're from. Captains and lieutenants do not have two separate numerical designations. Alpha's, a captain like Fordo, numerical designation is Alpha-17. Nate's, a lieutenant, is Alpha-98. Difference in rank does not mean difference in class. Now, and I know this might be hard for you, but please try to figure out what in the bejesus it is you're talking about before you give a lecture on it. If you don't know a goddamned thing about ARC troopers, then you'd be wise not to go around starting an argument over them. By the way, if he's never been called ARC-77, as you pointed out, why do you want it changed back to that? --AdmThrawn 04:12, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * You don't know for a FACT that there are JUST two types of arcs. "Captains and lieutenants do not have two separate numerical designations. Alpha's, a captain like Fordo, numerical designation is Alpha-17." How do you know that Fordo's designation is alpha? Are you speculating? This isn't official information. On the Hyperspace web article, Fordo is called ARC-77, not Alpha-77. Jack Nebulax said it was also in the Star Wars insider issue. He's NEVER been called alpha-77, so as far as we know, that designation doesn't exist. Stop vandalising!--Xilentshadow900 11:27, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Karen Traviss posted this on Starwars.com

> Somebody at the Star Wars wiki claims that Fordo's > designation is Alpha-77, while I believe the indsider > article or some other source says he is ARC-77, and > he won't stop editing it.

You're validating my inherent mistrust of wikis....

The GAR article calls him ARC-77. He could also be called Alpha-77, or even A-77. He's an ARC whose number is 77. Just like you could call a real soldier Private Jones, or J Jones Pte, 456888, or any variation thereof. I think folks need to chill over this.

I'm being a bit saucy here, but if people are not sure of the source for a piece of information (by which I mean they can find the original source physically for themselves) then it shouldn't be added to a wiki in the first place. That's how misinformation propagates on wikis in general.

(And for those of you not familiar with wikis, there are lots of different ones and they cover every subject imaginable.)

On the wider subject of wikis, this is why I go to official sources when I do my research in any subject, and I urge others to do the same when studying. I never know who's edited what and why on any wiki page, or even where much of the information has been gleaned. It's too anarchic for me. I don't even see sources cited.

> Are there only two classes of ARCS, alphas and nulls?

Yes. For which read: there were only Alphas, and then I came up with the Nulls, and nobody else has come up with anything extra. OOM-30 13:53, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Well that resolves that. Good thing I asked instead of just screwing around and flinging insults without any logical argument.--Xilentshadow900 20:33, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Finally we know that "Alpha-77" is perfectly acceptable. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:58, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)