User talk:Toprawa and Ralltiir

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Re: Vacation
I have not forgotten about this one, Tope. Rest assured, my vacation does not mean that I'll simply let the nomination sit idle on the GAN page. I'll be monitoring it and my FA nominations, as well; I just won't be able to contribute much beyond that. Still, thanks for the heads-up :) QuiGonJinn  (Talk) 19:33, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

Date
The Xim map on page 117 has a notation in the bottom right stating "25,102 to 25,096 BBY - War with the Hutts". The old 21,105 date seems to have been an approximation with the Battle of Ko Vari, which in all articles is an unsourced date, and most references are even labeled "circa". The First Battle of Vontor is confirmed on the next page as being in 25,100, which leaves nothing concrete for 25,105, and does give a reference for 25,102 for the start of the war. The 25,096 date is a little nutty considering Xim's been a prisoner for four years at that point. But I'm not messing with that, yet.  DD97 Which bear is best? 07:39, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

Question
Maybe a stupid question, but could you also edit info from an author who have done other work then Star Wars? i just want to know ;) --Station7 20:16, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure exactly what you're asking. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:33, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * An author writes more stories then Star Wars stories. Should I edit info, from an author, if he/she writes other stories then Star Wras stories.--Station7 20:36, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * You could list the info, though be aware that Wookieepedia's Sourcing policy states that "it is typically Wookieepedia's policy to not include a full biography on this site. That is usually best left to sites like Wikipedia." Meaning don't go overboard with it. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:38, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I will keep it in the lines.--Station7 20:40, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * If I may butt in here, that sentence was included in the very first revision of WP:S, dated March 2, 2007. That was subsequently amended by Forum:CT Archive/Real-world biographies, which passed a little under two months later. That CT decided that we would include full bios, but WP:S was never updated for some reason.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 20:46, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't care. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:48, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

Ozzik Stum
Hi. I was wondering why you deleted Ozzik Stum, a redirect I created. I don't see how it's unnecessary. Could you please tell me why it doesn't need to exist? San Saber 22:20, November 21, 2010 (UTC)

Contesting my ban
While my ban has ended I would like to contest the grounds on which I was banned. Please explain the situation and then I will retort. Rac Ward

Luca
Are you planning on working on his article? Because I was, and if you are, I'll step aside.&mdash; 01:13, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nope, feel free to take it. :) Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:15, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks. The image you uploaded will prove useful, so thanks. :)&mdash; 01:36, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good deal. Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:38, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Morseerians
The UAA says as follows: "Despite having lived on the fringes of galactic civilization for nearly twelve thousand years..." I added the information to 12,000 BBY in the hopes of getting it supplemented by whatever source qualifies the date to be on the Morseerian Featured Article, my library is pretty sparse on a lot of the sources listed there. If it needs further immediate support, I'll get with SavageBob to find out what his source is for the date.  DD97 Which bear is best? 19:26, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, it's the same dating issue I mentioned before, WotC books are anywhere between 32 BBY and 25 ABY. You want I should put a source tag on the date in the Morseerian article and see if I can get the source from someone that way?  DD97 Which bear is best? 19:37, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * None at all.  DD97 Which bear is best? 19:55, November 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, guys. The Morseerian article currently says "some 12,000 years before the Battle of Yavin." This is like saying "c. 12,000 BBY", and despite the ambiguity of the WOTC books' time references, I'd say that 50 years is negligible when we're talking thousands of years. Thus, I don't think the Morseerian article needs to be changed. ~ SavageBob 23:09, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Re:GAN
Sorry, I didn't noticed this rule. When I last checked, it was applyed only to FAN. Darth Morrt 22:43, November 24, 2010 (UTC)

Wookieepedia Manual of Style problem
Hello, while reading the Manual of Style today, I noticed a grammatical error. However, when I tried to fix it, I found out that I do not have permission to edit that page. Could you correct the error? Here is the error: "===Human and other sentient species=== In all sections of in-universe articles, the words "Human" and "Near-Human" should be capitalized, just as the name of any other sentient species (Twi'lek, Rodian, Wookiee) in the Star Wars universe would be. The word "humanoid," however, should not be capitalized.
 * → See Forum:CT Archive/Capitalization of Human, and Forum:CT Archive/Capitalizing "human" -- some more details

Please note that semi-sentient or nonsentient creature names must not be in capitals unless dictated otherwise by canon. Hence, writing "Rancor" instead of "rancor" is agrammatical. As much as we don't capitalize "Dog" or "Cat" in real-life, we shouldn't capitalize fictional creature names."

In the second sentence, instead of reading "humanoid,", it should say "humanoid",. Also, this may seem nitpicky, but...when I read the last sentence, it counfused me. I thought that there was a grammatical problem regarding possesives. Upon reading it again, I guess that it techincally works, but to avoid further confusion, could you rewrite the sentence as "As much as we don't capitalize "Dog" or "Cat" in real-life, we shouldn't capitalize the names of fictional creatures."?

Thanks,WIERDGREENMAN 18:47, November 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I cannot change these things for you. This is the reason this page is fully-protected, to prevent people from just changing the wording any time as they see fit. The Manual of Style is an official policy page. If an error or mistake exists, it needs to be amended through formal Consensus track procedure. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:19, November 26, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Galaxy 11
Yeah, you're right, it's actually a poster from Galaxy 9. Sorry about that. Here's what it says about the Executor: "Intimidation is a powerful weapon, and few vessels are more intimidating than a Super Star Destroyer. At 8,000 meters&mdash;five times the length of a standard Star Destroyer&mdash;possessing thousands of weapons and carrying legions of starfighters and stormtroopers, they are the most fearsome components in the Imperial armada, short of the Death Stars. Built and presented to Darth Vader following the Battle of Yavin, expressly for hunting Rebels, the Executor is featured prominently in Shadows. Ironically, it figures in Luke's escape, and leads to Xizor's defeat. Later, the vessel is destroyed during the Battle of Endor." Xicer9 ( Combadge) 04:03, November 28, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Sinube's cane
Hey Tope,

No discussion whatsoever, it was just changed at the user's whim. I noticed it the other day but I was on my phone and preoccupied so I ended up forgetting to revert the change. If you want to put it back and issue a warning of some sort (if you deem it necessary) I am okay with that. —Tommy 9281 11:46, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Something interesting...
Hey, you gonna be around IRC later? I've come across something interesting that I want to share with you. —Tommy 9281 12:22, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

GAN objections
If I were to strike all my objections on a review, must I actually support the nomination, or is it kinda implied? MasterFred (Whatever) 21:54, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * One is not required to vote on a nomination, nor is a support vote ever implied. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:56, November 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 21:59, November 30, 2010 (UTC)

New article
Hi Toprawa! In your opinion, does Unidentified stormtrooper squad (Tantive IV) deserve its own article? My only sources of these trooper being a squad are the script of ANH, which isn't really canon, and the ANH novel, which is obscure. Darth Morrt 03:21, December 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I really can't say without further information, because I don't know what information is in all of the listed sources. My first instinct is no, it probably does not, but it deserves to be researched. Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:59, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Palmer
Oops, sorry; didn't catch that. :P I'll archive the nomination in a minute, though you're welcome to do so (and please do so) if I forget.  CC7567  (talk) 05:48, December 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry about not getting around to archiving it; I was busy with something else, and it slipped my mind...like I thought it would. :/ See you on IRC some time.  CC7567  (talk) 06:06, December 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey Tope. I (literally) just found that there's a page in the Star Wars: The Clone Wars Comic UK 6.14 issue that's dedicated to the wampa. I'm not sure if there's any new info, but I've uploaded the comic page here so that you can take a look on it; it was published some time in November according to a StarWars.com article, so apologies if I accidentally misplaced it in the Sources list. If you have any questions, you can pop me a talk page message or ask me when I'm next on IRC, which will hopefully be soon. Hope that helps.  CC7567  (talk) 06:26, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Re:update tag
Sorry, I actually wasn't aware that the article had to be reevaluated by the Inqs first, but thanks for telling me that. And as for images and quotes, there are places where I found a space for quotes but also some where I did not, and therefore will not place any. For the images, there are a few places where there are images of other related oeple that can be replaced with quality images of Kota, the character in question. Then I will wait until the tag is removed and most likely discuss changes to the article with him, since he desrves a lot of credit for writing this article. Cheers.-- ID-21 Dolphin  (Talk) 03:22, December 5, 2010 (UTC)

Kix
Hello sir,

I don't know if you realize this, but I have been changing his first quotation for a long while. There is part of the sentence that is missing. I would like you and everyone else to quit changing my frickin changes. Or, I advise you to watch the episode to confirm my objection, and to prove that I'm right about this and you're not. I'm really not trying to sound rude (and I know I failed spectacularly) but I'm sick and tired of people changing it.

Thank you, Natalie Crescent


 * Well, sir I have not violated the rule. I have only made the change twice today, but it has been changed back to it's original format. Okay, I'm very new here, and I'm grateful you informed me of the rule before I changed it again. So, where do I talk about changing the page and keeping it that way? Because I really don't like seeing incomplete quotations anywhere. Thank you for your help.

Natalie Crescent


 * Okay, I understand. I've upset you. I'm stupid, and since my membership I have not yet bothered to read the Wookieepedian manual or whatever it's called. I appreciate this, and I know you're not trying to be rude, or mean, you're just trying to do your job as Administrator. If you're gonna start yelling at me through another comment with a rule link in it please proceed. I appreciate anything else you might have to say.

Natalie Crescent

Need an Inq opinion
Hey Tope. I'm looking for the opinion of a few Inqs on one of my objections to the Wedge FAN. and I disagree on whether Quote or Dialogue should be used for this quote. As neither Havac nor I are Inqs, it would be helpful to obtain the opinion of a few Inqs on this matter. Your input would be appreciated, and I've also asked Tommy and Grunny to weigh in on the matter. Thanks.  Master Jonathan  ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 18:46, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem, MJ. The MOS clearly states and provides an example of two-speaker quotes utilizing the Quote template, which was originally established for two speakers in a CT forum vote of which Havac was even a willing supporter. :) It's no secret among some longer established Wookieepedians that Havac will have varying degrees of pouting hissy fits if he doesn't get to format articles exactly his way, so my best recommendation to you is not to engage in a protracted debate with him, because the majority of the time it will only make him more stubborn and it gets no one anywhere. Clarify the rule for him and leave it up to him to make the change. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:56, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've informed him of your, Grunny's, and Tommy's responses on the nom page.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 22:27, December 10, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Webcomics
No problem, though I only wish that someone had done so much sooner.  CC7567  (talk) 05:30, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

no proof?
first and foremost if you look up urdruua it says gran assitant it also gives no name.secondly it says aurra sing set off a bomb that killed everyone in his palace so.i dont understand what you mean no proof.Trominid 22:51, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * can you write back pleaseTrominid 23:39, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Does your article look anything like this? No? That's why it's considered Unverified. You need to add a valid Appearances or Sources list like you see in that article. Otherwise, your article will be deleted. Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:43, December 11, 2010 (UTC)

You are giving Wookieepedia a bad reputation in the online community
Dear Toprawa and Raltiir, I would like to shed some light on the fact that you are one of the most disrespectful and arrogant people on Wikia. It all started about a year and a half ago you unfairly blocked me for something I didn't do, perhaps you remember. But anyways since my year long block expired in August, you have completely turned me away from contributing anything to Wookieepedia. You are an administrator, you are supposed to represent the site well, but you are doing exactly the opposite. You are a douchebag to so many new registered users on this site, it is unbelievable. When I first joined Wookieepedia 3 years ago, this one outstanding administrator Greyman showed me around. Sure, he blocked me once or twice but he taught me the rules of the site. You are the exact opposite. According to your user page, you "have no personal interest in becoming an Admin; it is simply not why I'm here." You also said " You won't ever find me creating a list of my greatest contributions, articles created, or anything like that." Have you seen your mile long list of FA and GA contributions on YOUR USER PAGE? You, sir, are a dick who has no business being an administrator on this wiki, and I really hope another administrator sees how badly you represent the wiki. You do not help out others, you simply block them. I know you have made some great contributions to articles on the site (as shown by your narcissistic user page), but you have no business being an administrator for many reasons. You are on a power trip and I hope that someone ends it. Cheers,  Skypopper (Talk) 21:12, December 12, 2010 (UTC)

ESB adaptations for 4-LOM and Zuckuss
Figure I might as well tackle these while I can. Anything missing in their articles that was mentioned in the various ESB adaptations that I should throw in? Or did they only receive mentions? Were they even in any of the adaptations in any capacity, and if so, which ones? Anything interesting, like name swaps, misspellings, description errors? If in the audio adaptations, did they receive speaking parts?  Trak Nar  Ramble on 03:43, December 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hopefully prior to the next Inq meeting. I wanna get these guys up to par so they can finally lose that FAR tag.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 04:35, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alrighty, Master Fred provided me with the junior novelization, and the mentions were added to Zuckuss and 4-LOM's Bts. I then hopped on YouTube, hunted down the bounty hunter scene in the audio, gave it a listen, and only Fett was mentioned by name.  No background babble could be attributed to either Zuckuss or 4-LOM.  Zuckuss's misspelled name in the novelization was sourced, and I just confirmed with Goodwood that 4-LOM makes no appearance in the novelization.  Master Jon's supplied  sources of the two, as well as confirmed that only 4-LOM makes an appearance in the comic, whereas Zuckuss does not (gave me a link to the exact scene), and that's already been sourced.  They should be good to go, now.  Any other wacky flaws that're dug up in the next meeting, and I'm gonna start to wonder if you guys aren't just making stuff up to give me a hard time. =P  Trak Nar  Ramble on 06:38, December 22, 2010 (UTC)

Category
Well to tell you the truth clone troopers refer to cloned soldiers that served the Grand Republic not the direct term of a clone.You I'll just put a human clone category for some clone troopers since they are the clones of a human.Master of the Force 00:12, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

No Problem
I love me some chronologies, in-universe and out.  DD97 Which bear is best? 03:12, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Teckla
Sure thing; it should be better now.  CC7567  (talk) 08:57, December 18, 2010 (UTC)

Sykes
Hey, Tope. Just wanted to remind you about your objections on my Gavyn Sykes FAN, which I believe I have addressed quite a while ago. When you have the time, could you take another look at them? Thanks, QuiGonJinn  (Talk) 19:16, December 21, 2010 (UTC)

138 ABY
The Extremes TPB says right on the cover and on the inside information that all events in the TPB take place in 138 ABY. Why am I the only one seeing this? Is there a variant TPB saying 137?

PS, yes I know I uploaded this but it isnt tampered with. Heres a link http://www.darkhorse.com/Books/Previews/17-549 --The Great and Grand Count Mall! 16:16, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, sorry. Your's wasnt the talk page I ment to put this on. Moving it... --The Great and Grand Count Mall! 21:45, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
I, Xd1358 the  award you, Darth Burger the Master and Apprentice award for everything you have done for me this year. Not only have you always helped me when I needed help, but also offered your assistance, helped me to become a better writer, reviewer and Wookieepedian in general. I would definitely be where I am right now if you hadn't assisted me so much. Thank you, and keep up the good work.

And then, the Pit Droid Award of Diligence goes to you since according to my calculations, which may or may not be correct, you have been the most active AgriCorps member this year, being the only AC who has performed over 200 reviews. In addition, you are definitely the de facto leader of the AgriCorps. So thank you for keeping the GA process smooth and fast! :P


 * Merry Christmas and a happy new year, Tope. Truly deserved awards. 1358  (Talk)  20:54, December 23, 2010 (UTC)

Where can I find help?

 * Sorry if I posted my question on the wrong page... I am used to working on Xenopedia, it has a different layout.

I am getting major brow beated and one of the guys doing it is a cop... Have you read Dark Empire? I cant be wrong it says that Palpatines force storm destroys the fabric of space... how could that mean anything but what it says in the book?

These punks also tell me that anything written in the back of the collectors set for the Dark Empire by the writer does not count as canon @-@ which they also have gotten nasty about...

I wish there was a number I could call this is getting real real bad...--WAVE 05:12, January 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * They don't publish it if they don't intend for it to be canon, man. Graestan ( Talk ) 05:43, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Coular Peen IV
As I recall, you left on my talk page, Wizcharles5, that there is NO proof that there is a planet called Coular Peen IV. Why don't you check this, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Wars_planets_(C%E2%80%93D). It might be Fanon, but I will check the records to see if Anakin Skywalker really went there. I also made 2 OTHER pages, Antazi, and Ayrondof wich might or might not be Fanon, that I got from Wikipedia also. Wizcharles5 21:07, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Categories
Sorry about that I wasn't ingnoring your warnings!:)CloneCody 05:20, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Executor
Hey Tope. I left a message on Executor talk page about a couple of obscure appearances a while back, but you seem to have not acted on it, so I just wanted to give you a little poke in case you hadn't seen it. :) See Talk:Executor, and let me know there if you have any questions.  Master Jonathan  ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 21:10, January 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:16, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Good Looks
My fault, I had a total brain fart :P Thanks for looking out. —Tommy 9281 23:02, January 4, 2011 (UTC)

3032 BBY
A while back, you deleted this article for being unverified (and rightly so). I did a little digging and the 3032 BBY date comes from Boss Nass's narration of the War of the Gungan Tribes in Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds, describing it as three thousand years prior to the Invasion of Naboo. Would you mind either undeleting the article or allowing me to undelete (and source) it? Cheers. Atarumaster88  ( Talk page ) 15:47, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Anyone is welcome to recreate any articles with canonical verifiability. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:44, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

T-6 shuttle
Hey Tope, on the T-6 shuttle article, I think the LEGO thing might be worth mentioning, since action figures and other collectible items are commonly mentioned in the BTS sections of good and featured articles (see the Darth Caedus BTS). LEGO isn't always cited, but it's an interesting fact to be mentioned, IMO. But if you don't like it, I don't mind.-- ID-21 Dolphin  (Talk) 00:06, January 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * We mention action figure information when they have a degree of canonicity to them or are otherwise significantly notable for some specific reason. There's nothing notable or significant about the fact that the T-6 shuttle is included in a LEGO set. Mentioning it as an "interesting fact" falls under the guidelines of WP:TRIVIA. This type of LEGO information belongs on the LEGO Star Wars Wiki. Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:11, January 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, wasn't really aware of the trivia policy. It makes sense, then.-- ID-21 Dolphin  DolphinJedi.png(Talk) 02:20, January 10, 2011 (UTC)

Tiperoo
Why did you delete my Tiperoo page? I even supplied a picture of it! XxTimberlakexx 03:31, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * You've made the mistake of assuming I know what in God's name you're talking about. Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:35, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Check your deletion history, you deleted the Tiperoo page. I made it, and i supplied a picture, and want to know why you deleted it. XxTimberlakexx 21:41, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * 23:39, 7 December 2010 Toprawa and Ralltiir (Talk | contribs | block) deleted "Tiperoo" ‎ (-- 1.7 Unverified for over 7 days: content was: "  A Tiperoo sitting on the music changer. A Tiperoo is a blue creature only seen in Star Wars: Yoda's Challenge Activity Center. O) (view/restore) -- Because you didn't add an appearance/source to the article. Unsourced article creations are deleted after 7 days. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:50, January 11, 2011 (UTC)

Delrakkin/Reference?
Hi Toprawa. I just wanted to say my bad about that edit I made on Delrakkin, when I forgot to close out the end of the reference with ]]. I had a question about it though, as well as a question about the bullets. When you reverted the reference edit back, it looks different than the ones I have been adding. I have been going through The Essential Atlas Online Companion and just comparing pages to make sure info is up to date. If you take a look at Abar system, that is what I have been making my refs look like, hundreds of pages like that.
 * Which way is the correct way? I had someone tell me to do the references as I displayed above, but the way you have it looks better. I am asking this because I am usually adding references and sources to Outer Rim systems, and updating them as much as I can, just making them look pretty I guess. I also wanted to ask about the bullets I added as well. I believe I removed the <br thing you used, and replaced it with bullets. I asked a question about this in Senate Hall, but only got an answer of bullets are used for 2 or more items that are listed, and someone else mentioned the br thing. Which way is the correct way? I just want to do my best in editing and not mess up too many things, so thanks for the help and sorry for the poor edit on the FA, I should've paid more attention.  TK-299  (Click Here) Imperial_Emblem.svg 13:46, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Understood! Thanks for the help, and I will start fixing those references as I come upon them. And I will just leave the <br things alone if I see them, until something comes along where I would HAVE to change it. Thanks again for your time!  TK-299  (Click Here) Imperial_Emblem.svg 10:55, January 12, 2011 (UTC)

Rail class ARC
Sorry if I'm a little blunt here, but didn't you get my note?! there is not enough info on the Rail class ARC for the article to be wookieefied further! I can't add a complete infobox because there's virtually no info on them. There's no source, there's no external links for it, and I can't find any "add category" thing on the page. I'm sorry, but the articles at it's best unless somebody else who knows more about improving a page helps. I'm about two months into being a member of this wiki, I'm not the type who can look at an article and see every single flaw! brightfur 03:53, January 12, 2011 (UTC)