Forum:Super-class Star Destroyer

Okay, here's my issue. I was recently reading Invincible, and on page 212 it describes the Megador as a Super-class Star Destroyer. So I recently added it to the Megador article. I later came across a Super Star Destroyer (8km) article and asked User:VT-16 if that article should be merged into the Super-class article, seeing as the Super-class seems to been more that a made-up class for budgetary reasons. A day and many edits on a few pages later, VT-16 is basically threatening me if I state that the Super-class is a real class. He's undone my legitimate edits on the Megador article, removed my addition to the Super Star Destroyer article involving the use of Super-class Star Destroyer, and is "going to complain to the administrators about" me. I'd appreciate it if an admin would intervene and fairly judge the situation. I would like to continue with my edits that I believe to be just, but I will not until this matter is solved. Thank you. Grand Moff Tranner (Comlink) 00:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've stated and restated the point over and over with all the canon sources that actually say what I say. I'm sick and tired of reverting his personal opinion which he's inserting into the articles. I even went as far as to complete more reference lists and even use the word Super-class in some places, linking back to the general Super Star Destroyer article, of course. If he reverts this again to his personal fanon, I'm gonna report him.
 * EDIT: And he did do it after all. Clean this up, admins, I'm sick of it. I endured this bs with McEwok for three years. Not again. VT-16 01:14, 18 May 2008 (UTC)


 * This is not "personal fanon" when I have a source: Invincible. As far as I'm concerned, you're twisting everything to better suit your opinion. Additionally, you created an article on an 8km Super Star Destroyer when we already have one: the Super-class article. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 01:17, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh god. It's not about seeing the word in a source. That's not the issue. The canonical explanation is that Super-class is used like SSD, a colloquial term for heavy, dagger-shaped warships, not as an official designation for a class. Super Star Destroyers/Super-class Star Destroyers are not actually designated Star Destroyers, like the Executor-class, for instance. That's from Starship Battles Preview 1. Starships of the Galaxy 2007 reiterates that Star Destroyer was not an official designation for Super Star Destroyers even when they were called it in-universe. Showing an example of this practice in-universe only shows the term is used, not that the Megador is designated a Super-class Star Destroyer. You also don't seem to understand there can be more of one thing, like a type of ship that's 8km long. One is real, unless otherwise stated, while the other is a fake, as stated in canonical sources. The name of said ship class was also fabricated, and is not used in official designations only in colloquial terms, therefore saying that it exists because it's used later on, is fanon. VT-16 01:26, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Regardless, the Megador is specifically referred to as a Super-class Star Destroyer in a source - a canon source - and therefore, that's what should be in its article, not a link to Super Star Destroyer hidden behind "Super-class Star Destroyer." Besides, it seems a little too convenient for there to be another 8km-long Super Star Destroyer. Looks like the Empire did construct a few Super-class ships to keep the Senate happy. And I'm curious as to what you mean by "And he did do it after all." Do what? Put legitimate information into articles? Isn't that the purpose of this site? Perhaps your edits belong on the Fanon Wiki, where canon isn't as much of an issue. Educate me, VT-16. What exactly do the sources for the "Super Star Destroyer (8km)" say? Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 01:30, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * WHY DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND THE ENGLISH LANGUAGE? THERE IS NO SUPER-CLASS, THERE IS ONLY THE COLLOQUIAL TERM. THAT IS IT. THAT'S ALL THAT REMAINS OF THAT FAKE SHIP DESIGN. NOTHING ELSE. Any ship that's said to be a Super-class Star Destroyer, is just a Super Star Destroyer. It's class and designation is another issue entirely. That is the canon state of things right now. Not canon from ten years ago, but that's tough. The Executor is still designated Executor-class Star Dreadnaught and called colloquially a Super-class Star Destroyer, as is a number of other ships of various sizes and shapes. None of which are formally designated Super-class Star Destroyers. VT-16 01:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe I asked you a question, VT-16. I would like an answer, unless said sources would somehow throw out your entire argument. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 01:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * VT-16, the fact remains that people still use Super-class Star Destroyer in the fiction. This means one of two things. Either the authors are all a bunch of idiots who don't consult LucasFilm on their work...or your sources are outdated. -- SFH 01:48, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you, SFH. You've summed up what I've basically been trying to say. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 01:49, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's a colloquial term. It gets used in novels. The sky is falling here. It's like I said all along, but apparantly some mental pygmees can't understand the difference between designations and colloquial terms. Thanks for missing the point. I've have been answering the same thing over and over using all the sources that are readily available. The colloquial term Super-class Star Destroyer (SBP1, SOTG07) is used in recent novels. What a surprise. Even more of a surprise is that it's used for different types of ships (DS, DNIII, NJO, LOTF). Apparantly to some who haven't been paying any attention to what I've been saying all along. VT-16 01:51, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Regardless, it's used in the novels, and the authors apparently use it as a class name. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 01:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)