Talk:Darth Malgus

Sourceless speculation
While this guy is most likely a Sith Lord, we've no source for this. While his followers are most likely Sith Maraduers, some of them might as well be Lords. Let's avoid being overeager with things just because the trailer rocks ;) Gorthuar 14:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Then edit the page yourself. Graestan ( Talk ) 14:31, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Will do. Most definitely. Just wanted to give out a warning.Gorthuar 14:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * It seems like the use of "Lord" has found it's way back into this article, pretty much everywhere it could be applied. Is there a new source providing this information, or was it simply added on a whim? Vangardt 01:27, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's stated that he's a Sith Lord in Star Wars Insider 113, page 62. Relevant quote: "In the trailer, we hear a Sith Lord's ominous voice say, 'Our time has come. For 300 years, we prepared, we grew stronger.'"--Muuuuuurgh 03:45, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright, good to know. I think it was pretty safe to assume he would be a Sith Lord, but I am a fan of sources to back things up. Vangardt 04:22, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Same Sith
Is this "Sith Lord" the same Sith in this photo? Apotheoses Jedi 10:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC-6)
 * Most of the Sith of this era seem to all wear the same kind of mask, so it's difficult to say. I'm going under the assumption that these two Sith are not the same. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 15:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Not the same. Notice the lack of electronic red lights in this image that are present on the Sacking Sith. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 15:38, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * They are definitely not the same. This Sith has a grayer skin tone, beadier eyes, a smaller build, and appears considerably older than the "Deceieved" Sith. User:DeCarta

Source
His name is Lord Angral. go too

http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/deceived-cinematic-trailer

read blog under the video


 * That only says the fleet was led by Angral, not that the Sith presented is Angral.  Grunny  ( Talk ) 05:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Other sources place Angral in a different location during the events depicted in the Trailer.SinisterSamurai 19:13, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Besides, Angral has what appears to be a mechanical eye. This guy doesn't. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 21:34, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Anyone else hearing this?
The Sith seemed to have the same accent as the Mandalorians, and I can't quickly see any particular reason why he couldn't be one... Nope, The Force is my area of knowledge, not the Mandalorians. If it's impossible (as in there not force sensitive) then say so. Just because they have so far rejected the ideas of the force doesn't mean it isn't possible for them to be one.
 * You're kidding, right? -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 03:09, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * "The Force is my area of knowledge"?! Alexrd 17:41, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Maaaaaybeee?
Could it be Malak?
 * No. Malak is dead by the time of the Sacking of Coruscant.  IFYLOFD  ( You will pay the price for your lack of vision! ) 02:21, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Most likely its REVAN. Remember he left to the unknown regions.
 * No, this Sith is neither Revan nor Malak. Nor is he Angral. He is unidentified, and most likely will remain that way. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 19:10, 18 June 2009 (UTC)


 * why not revan. time is right, he's not dead

Right... because Revan will probably live to be 330 years old....

Not to say I can't see it happening. Revan's definitely one of the few Force-users who could sustain themselves for a very long time past their normal lifespan. PLagueis tried and Palpatine evaded death for awhile. Bane sustained himself with orbalisks when he should've died. No reason Revan couldn't do something similar. I just find it strange he would drop the armor. However, if you need to incorporate life support into your armor it would require different armor. If it is Revan, my best guess is that he pulls a Krayt and goes into stasis for a period of time.

Also worth mentioning how Revan-ish the Sith warriors' armor is. Definitely no coincidence there. Even if Revan's dead that's definitely his legacy.

Hell, maybe J.J. Abrams is the producer of the game and brought Vader back (minus the helmet, plus new armor) to take on the Old Republic after he fell through a time warp created by one of Palpatine's Force storms. :P

Hey? He looks like a Palpatine and Vader Hibryd!!! :-) Black armor and dark side deformations. Did you noticed that every sith had little "health problems" Like:


 * Darth Malak (with his jaw)
 * Darth Vader (no comment:-))
 * Revan (memory losses)
 * Palpatine (deformations like his yellow-grey skin etc...)
 * And this undefinited sith.

Awesome!!!:-)

It's Not Lord Angral!
Um Angral was much too busy in the senate killing the Supreme Chancellor to be invading the Jedi Temple. Angral led the attack, after an elite strike team who stole a Republic ship assaulted the Jedi Temple so the Jedi could not defend Coruscant against the invading Sith armies. Plus, yea Angral has a robotic eye and this guy doesn't.

Also, there's just no way it could be anyone from KotOR because it's 300 yrs. later, and the only person who lived since KotOR is the very mysterious Sith Lord who used dark rituals to extend his life after he retreated into unknown space. :)

Finally, this extra-special Sith Lord has clearly not been identified by Wookieepedia so who are we to question the awesomeness of this very website and their mystery-Sith indentifying abilities?! --Nesidioblastoma 16:14, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for sharing, but we already know that. That is why the article is called Unidentified Sith (Sacking of Coruscant). --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 14:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Of course, it's just that a lot of people were confused about if it was someone we know of already. I guess trying to clear things up makes everything confusing and repetitive. Sorry :P--Nesidioblastoma 16:14, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Sith Emperor?

 * I'd say the man is the Sith Emperor. He's obviously taking the leadership role, and I'd sure like to be the leader of the strike team that causes my sworn enemy its greatest defeat in history. I won't change anything because we don't know for sure though. -Darth Heldronus 15:57 6/25/09
 * I'm liking this sourceless speculation! I don't know if he'sthe Sith Emperor, but he's probably a good old Sith Lord, for starters. Also...you really think this was a bigger defeat than the purge? Cuz that was messed up. --Nesidioblastoma 16:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Just felt like throwing my 2 cents in, and yes I do think it was a bigger defeat then the purge, but I was using "history" in a less literal sense considering the purge hadn't happened yet in the Star Wars continuity. Also I agree, I think he is a good old Sith Lord, for starters. -Darth Heldronus 21:07 7/5/09
 * I don't think this character is likely to be the Sith Emperor. I am basing this largely on the assumption that this unidentified Sith is mostly or entirely human. The other major thing I am supposing at this point (supposing being an important word) is that the Sith Emperor is partially, or fully, of the Sith Species. It is said that he survived the Great Hyperspace War (noted that "only a small number of Sith survived" on the Old Republic site, and claimed in his page here). At the time of the Great Hyperspace war, from all previous sources, it seems that all Sith at the time were pure-blooded Sith species, or hybrids of humans and Sith (excluding the brief presence of Jori and Gav Daragon, the latter having died during the War and the former very unlikely to rejoin any scrap of remaining Sith). This isn't to say there couldn't have been pure humans in their ranks, but I haven't found any previous record of full humans being among the Sith at the time of Naga Sadow. However, an IGN article states that that the Sith Council was left behind when Naga Sadow "disappeared on an unknown mission" and began recruiting Force Sensitives to fill their ranks. This could be and opening that could have brought pure humans into the Sith of the time. But, that description provided in the article is apparently talking about the events near the The Old Republic, likely sometime shortly before 3,653 BBY. Meanwhile, Sadow's defeat in the Great Hyperspace War came around 4,990 BBY and Sadow's death at the hands of Freedon Nadd is listed as occurring in 4,400 BBY. Assuming all of that is still considered canon, then the description of the Sith Council recruiting new Force Sensitives is not relevant to the time of the Great Hyperspace War. So that leads back to my beginning, in that I think it is more likely the Emperor will be of the Sith species, or hybrid, than a full human. This is absolutely, purely conjectural. The only "evidence" I can offer is that, to my knowledge, there is no current record of a full blooded human among the Sith at the time of Great Hyperspace War. -- Vangardt 18:05, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

True Identity
I think I might know who this sith is. I think it is Lord Angral A sith leader. If you would like to check it out go on to http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/deceived-cinematic-trailer

(Darth Davis 18:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC))
 * This sure hasn't been suggested before, or debunked. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 19:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Why don't you read what's above you? Besides, go check Lord Angral article. Alexrd 17:59, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Reven or Sith Emperor?
I think that is either one of the three


 * 1) he is Revan
 * 2) he is the Sith Emperor
 * 3) he is one of Revan's decedents

Also the Sith who was first to ignite his saber from the shuttle could be Reven. The Sith Emporor may have found him somewhere and rebuilt him or something to that effect.
 * No, no, no, no, and no, in that order. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 01:17, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Lol thats funny moff. Im thinking it is someone from the kotor games simply cause the guy is so old and wrinkly looking. 300 years is nothing for "the force" and technologies of preserving a person's life in the star wars universe. Jlryan 07:08, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I wasn't joking. He's not from the KOTOR games. He's unidentified. That's why this article is at "Unidentified Sith (Sacking of Coruscant)." Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 13:44, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I know you were being serious, just struck me funny. And hes unidentified, not specifically meaning hes not from kotor, more like we dont know where hes from in general. In either case it makes no difference since bio-ware obviously (hopefully) knows who he is and therefore us guessing changes nothing. Jlryan 22:17, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Why can't people stop speculating about Revan. Think Revan will be dead if Bioware know how to tell a good story which, oh!, they do. Makes me laugh when people say "it obs Revan wid a lyfe support machine" maybe he is just an 'Unidentified Sith' ? who Bioware may decide to expand upon later? or just used for the purpose of showing off their super-cool trailer? hmm always in motion the future is. Tyranitar 18:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The Revan-fanboy-ism has to end. Really, the day Bioware makes an immoral (or near-immoral) character is the day I lose faith in Star Wars. Revan's dead. Naga Sadow's dead. The Jedi Exile's dead. Really, get over it; heroes and villains die. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 19:35, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

/agree Tyranitar 19:38, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Yoda?
With the aged skin, wrinkles and all, he's obviously Youda before he was redeemed to the Light Side. Just to add yet another idiotic, baseless suggestion. Gorthuar 14:15, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Who's Youda? -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 14:18, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * A typo. Meant this little guy ;) Gorthuar 15:30, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No, he looks more like Daurth Vader without the helmet. He must have gone back in time to raid the Jedi Temple back then, too. — Milo Fett [Comlink] 15:11, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That's ridiculous, it's clearly Emperor Palpatine who, after falling into the exploding Death Star, was transported through a wormhole into the Jedi Temple and just kinda went with it. It's all J.J. Abrams' fault!
 * Ok, very funny. This page is for article-related topics only, not speculation and jokes.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 16:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Then where is the page for a little humor and speculation? I think a little joking is never problem.
 * There is no page for humor or speculation. Frankly, it's annoying. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 16:13, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
 * OK I'm sorry, please accept my apology. But I think you (plural) should make a page for these things, of course not on the wookieepedia because it's unworthy to this page. It should have a link on the main page like: Fan talk or something like this. (Sorry for the bad grammar if i made mistakes. I'm better in translation to my language then using emglish. sorry)
 * No, this isn't Lostpedia, we don't have sub-pages or sections on speculation here, and many established users, including myself, wouldn't want speculation here. Who cares if your "pet theories" are right? We document facts, notable facts. The only speculation that is recorded here is the notable ones (eg. if President Obama speculated that Yoda was from the Moon), and those would only be placed in the  section. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 19:46, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, the users on Lostpedia send far too much time creating blogs on their "pet theories". We wouldn't want that here. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 19:52, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

What's The Reasoning?
Just wondering how the article is so sure that the Unidentified Sith and his pals had killed half the Jedi Council by the end of the engagement? If anyone has a source for that (e.g. statement about SWToR, Jedi Council is marked in the video, etc.) please share. --Nesidioblastoma 16:26, 5 July 2009 (UTC) Thanks very much! wait wait just a second he can't be yoda because first he was born in 896 bby second this happened 3,653 bby and thirthe sith is not small he's not green and he is not a fucking sith.
 * HoloNet Record: Jedi Order on Star Wars: The Old Republic official website. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 16:46, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

I count 23 Sith...
I just watched the "Deceived" trailer, and I counted 23 red lightsabers while the Sith were charging at the Jedi. The article states that the Unidentified Sith was accompanied by at least 25 Sith. Shouldn't this be changed? Maxi6 ( Feel The Force! ) 00:39, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No, because everyone seems to get a different count upon examining the trailer. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 01:10, 20 July 2009 (UTC) so far i counted 23-25 sith and add the twi'lek, bounty hunter and the sith troopers it's a big armty so we may never know.

Voice-over narration
Does anyone know who did the voiceover narration for this trailer (and can point to a credible source to verify it)? Reminds me a little of John Hurt somehow, but probably not. Jediphile 15:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Its the same voice as Azkul from K2, unless my ears decieve me, along with a few other not-so-important characters from both kotor games (I think)Toremode 19:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

New category
I made this yesterday to different the other guys from the Sith Lords of the Sith Empire: Category:Sith of the Sith Empire Since this article's protected and my user name's blocked for ban evasion, I can't edit it so I'm asking if one of you guys could do it for me. 70.181.47.51 16:47, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Done. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 19:31, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Species?
I know he looks like Darth Vader but what is his possible species? JM2008 18:12, December 15, 2009 (UTC)JM2008
 * I think it is very likely he will be human and I think he looks like a human who has suffered some degree of injury as well as the effects of the dark side. For confirmation on this, though, I imagine we'll have to wait until they release more information and/or the game itself. Vangardt 02:07, December 16, 2009 (UTC)    His species is probably human or near-human. He seems to have the characteristics of a human but because he is injured as a sith, we just have to wait and see.
 * Rattataki is confirmed playable. He could be that. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 12:27, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

A New Guy
He is a new guy. That is my theory...until the secret is revealed. He is neither Revan (who turned to the Light side of the force, and wore a mask), nor is he Malak (who is dead). He is either Vader (though it would have to be Vader traveling over three thousand years back in time), or just an anonymous new comer. To lighten up the tension already present on this page, why don't yuz guys just go with MY theory, huh?!?!?! :) -Ano-User 11:26, January 7, 2010 (UTC) first of all he is an unidentified sith!!!!! so he can't be revan, malak or darth vader. until we are given a name he is unidentified

Point
I just wanted to point out that the page still says Unidentified Sith Lord instead of Darth Malgus. It might work if we delete the redirect. King Donfin  I am not Dumb I'll have you know I have an IQ of 19!!!!!

Dark Lord of the Sith
Darth Malgus is not just a Sith Lord, he is also a Dark Lord of the Sith. Check the TOR article on him.
 * Care to provide a link, anon?Gorthuar 18:00, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I noticed that too, but as it was just a forum entry title, I wouldn't put much wight behind this. If he really was a Dark Lord they'd have told us so in his biography. Swedish guy 18:20, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I always thought Dark Lords were very high ranking, and it does say he held no political power with the Sith.DarthTyranitar 18:23, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Very high ranking, as in: "Before Kaan there would be only one Sith bearing the title of Dark Lord - their supreme leader." That's why I'm glad to hear it was only a forum post. Gorthuar 18:25, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, Vader was a Dark Lord of the Sith under the Emperor, so I guess the Sith Empire employs a similar system for ranking - the Dark Emperor, the Dark Lords of the Sith and then the rest under there. Assumption on my part of course, but perhaps it makes some sense. Gratulor - User Page 18:48, April 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Makes sense to me, I guess they will let us known how the Sith Empire is structured in time. DarthTyranitar 18:50, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Note, that Vader was a member of the Order of the Sith Lords, well after Kaan's reform of granting the title left and right, and after Bane's reform to grant the title to both living Sith Lords. So Vader and Sidious do not prove anything about the Sith Empire from 3,500 years before their time. Gorthuar 18:55, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * True, but it may suggest something about them as Bioware is taking inspirations from the Galactic Empire, which is in essence a type of Sith Empire. A Dark Lord of the Sith who isn't the Emperor proves that that isn't the highest rank at least. Gratulor - User Page 16:26, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Dark Lord of the Sith
He is referred to as Darth Malgus, Dark Lord of the Sith. I think that would be enough for a source.

Not only that, but the TOR site frequently mentions the Sith Emperor fleeing into deep space with his fellow Dark LordS. There was more than one Dark Lord of the Sith. --80.3.171.155 21:17, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Provide a link please. Gorthuar 21:18, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and not only that, but the same Darth Malgus article also says "a thirst for knowledge of the dark lord's past," referring to Malgus. I'll get that link Gorthaur, give me a second. ; ) --80.3.171.155 21:20, April 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * Think we might have to accept that the title and it's meaning varies from source to source. It can be assured, however, that Darth Malgus wasn't as important as the title might suggest, at least according to the TOR websites description. DarthTyranitar 21:23, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

swtor.com/info/holonet/allegiances/sith-empire

"Unbeknownst to the Jedi however, the last Emperor of the Sith managed to escape the carnage and fled into Deep Space with his most trusted Dark Lords.

These surviving Sith began rebuilding their society on a distant planet, hoping to one-day return for revenge."

There's other quotes too; "Council of Dark Lords," etc. Now with two references of Malgus being a Dark Lord... --80.3.171.155 21:24, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

I very much dislike the fact this guy is a Darth and a Dark Lord; I was hoping only the Dark Council would bear those titles, but... --80.3.171.155 21:25, April 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * First of all, he's only been explicitly called a 'Dark Lord of the Sith' once, and that was in the title of a forum thread. Nowhere else, not in his biography, or in the announcement of the 'Deceived' novel has he been called a Dark Lord. Second; his biography states quite clearly that he possess no real political power and while other high ranking Sith tried to become a part of the Dark Council, something Darth Malgus never was, as he preffered military operations, hence his military mission to the Unknwon Regions. Third; he can't be one of the original Sith who followed the Sith Emperor, cause he was born on Dromund Kaas, which was discovered afterwards. This means that he's probably not a Dark Lord, at least not a Dark Lord of the Sith, but rather a high ranking Sith who Bioware wanted to show off. Swedish guy 22:08, April 30, 2010 (UTC)


 * That sounds like a pretty good summary. DarthTyranitar 22:09, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Real Name

 * Should we add his real name? It specifically states on "The Old Republic" website that his real name is Veradun.
 * As you'll notice if you read the article, his real name is included in the text. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 23:53, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, I meant at the beginning of the article. Like, the Darth Bane page says, "Darth Bane, born under the name of Dessel...", should we say, "Darth Malgus, born under the name Veradun..."?
 * It is at the beginning of the article - the second sentence, to be exact. There's no need to mention it in the first sentence. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 00:12, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, didn't see it there.

Dark Lord of the Sith
Actually he's mentioned as being a Dark Lord twice; Dark Lord of the Sith in the headline, and then further down in the article he is mentioned as a dark lord. He obviously isn't one of the original Dark Lords, I was just pointing out there were multiple Dark Lords in the True Sith Empire. --80.3.171.155 03:18, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Since the True Sith Empire started as the sole Dark Lord Naga Sadow fled for Yavin IV, I wonder where did the Sith Emperor find more Dark Lords to flee with him for Dromund Kaas? It's sad to see the TOR writers are sloppy :/ Gorthuar 09:14, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * They, indirectly, refer to him as a dark lord in that article yes, but when I said the 'deceived announcement' I meant the one on StarWars.com. The original. Swedish guy 09:36, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * To clarify things; here's what the SWTOR guy Sean Dahlberg posted on the forums: "...It doesn't mean he's the Emperors apprentice. But it is interesting because in the Sith Empire there is supposed to be only one Dark Lord, the Emperor. Just to clarify, the "title" of the article is just following a normal format for article titles. Later within the article, it says "And while we understand there is thirst for knowledge of the dark lords past". His biography entry goes a little more into what he's been up to recently, too. But to be clear, he is just a "dark lord of the Sith", not THE Dark Lord (Ruler) of the Sith. The Emperor is the ruler of the Sith. Sorry for any confusion that may have caused". Source: Swedish guy 12:32, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Aurebesh translation?
Anyone have the opportunity to translate the Aurebesh writing on Malgus' Holonet page? Since he seems to be a major character, it might be interesting, but I can barely read it as it is now.--Evil Dave 23:05, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * As noted in the article (and the ones I got when I translated them), the translations are "Friend to Mandalore", "Yablari, Trandosha, Kalee", and "First Contact". Vangardt 22:52, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

New Infobox Image
Clearer image, reveals more of the characters face, features and clothing. Any objections to the change? Darth Tyranitar 15:37, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes. It's not a good image for the infobox. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 15:55, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * The reason being? Darth Tyranitar 15:57, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * For one, there's the title text still visible. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 16:03, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmm, wondered if that was going to be an issue. Ah well, just thought the current one was a little unrevealing. Couldn't cut any more of the text out without cutting his head. Hopefully they will release a wordless cover that can be used. Darth Tyranitar 16:07, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

Quote
How can we be sure that it was Malgus who said the Quote from the Deceived trailer? Gulomi Jomesh 08:25, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Not in the Hope Trailer
Where is the information that supports that Sith being anything other than a regular Sith Warrior?
 * here. Gulomi Jomesh 10:37, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Apart from looking identical? Darth Tyranitar 11:03, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Sith Juggernaut
I think Darth Malgus is Sith Juggernaut. He can easily survive a attack from a missile, grenade close to his face and even survive a Force Push, which destroyed a part of that cliff from Hope cinematic trailer. By the description this is exactly what Juggernauts are able to. VolteMetalic 13:16, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah he probably is one. Though I would still like to know how he and the trooper could possibly survive a grenade detonating less than a meter away from his face. Even with the Force that would leave him at least unconscious, and the trooper would have died instantly. Darth Tyranitar 13:19, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree, but compare how Juggernaut looks in the game and compare him to Malgus. Its nearly the same. So I guess Malgus really is Juggernaut, but how that Republic commander was able to survive the grenade, i dont know. Maybe it was a special grenade which directs the blast only into one side, while to the other sides itd much more weaker. VolteMetalic 13:44, June 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Should it be added to the article? (I would think so personally, but I often get slapped on the wrist when it comes to such changes) Darth Tyranitar 13:47, June 15, 2010 (UTC)