Talk:Dreadnaught-class heavy cruiser

Braxant
Hi, Jack. I'm meaning to do an article on the Braxant Brave/Bonecrusher,personally I'm not sure if it's necessary to link both names, as they're the same ships and they'd eventually link to the same article.
 * In cases like this, you pick one name and use it for the article. Then you make the other name redirect to the same page. JimRaynor55 22:04, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Outbound Flight
I have removed this text: "Six Dreadnoughts were used in Outbound Flight, an ill-fated project aimed at extragalactic exploration." I don't recall if this is accurate. Can someone provide a source? --SparqMan 06:31, 3 May 2005 (UTC) Great. Added back. --SparqMan 02:20, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
 * It is, the cover of the new Outbound Flight book pictures them, bound around a single large fuel tank. See Outbound Flight (novel)--Eion 02:06, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Naming
Once again, ship naming rears its ugly head. Starwars.com, along with other canon sources (and an abundance of EU ones too) refer to these ships as Dreadnought Heavy Cruisers. It appears that they are not given a class name because they were the only ships of their type. I cannot find a G-Canon source that confirms this name. Am I missing one? If not, we should move it to Dreadnought Heavy Cruiser and fix the article text. --SparqMan 06:33, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I Don't have a G-canon source (I don't believe there is one - I think Dreadnaughts are entirely EU creations), but page 215 of the Thrawn Trilogy Sourcebook does call it a "Dreadnaught-class heavy cruiser." Also note that the ships are consistently misspelled froma real-world perspective, with an "a" instead of an "o"; all sources I've encountered (including the TTSB, the Imperial Sourcebook, and Dark Force Rising) use this spelling.
 * The Official Site calls them Dreadnaughts. There are Dreadnoughts in the EU (Cydon Prax drives a 'Dreadnought' assault vehicle in The Clone Wars) but these cruisers are officially 'Dreadnaughts'. Kwenn 19:20, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

I thought that they may have been mentioned in one of the DK books off handedly. The WEG books are fairly inconsistent. Can anyone check the Thrawn Trilogy books? I don't have my copies here. --SparqMan 19:34, 3 May 2005 (UTC) More importantly, in DFR, are the ships refered to as Dreadnaught Heavy Cruisers, Dreadnaughts, or Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruisers? --SparqMan 01:58, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
 * The WEG books may be inconsistent about other things, but they were consistent about spelling "Dreadnaught." And since Zahn used WEG for his resource when writing DFR, he used the "a" spelling as well; the top of page 228 of the paperback of DFR, for example.
 * The EGTVV (Both Versions) are of no help, as they capitalized every class name. I'd personally rule this an abberation, and call it a goof, along the same lines as the great costume goof of ROTJ. Correct it, as we know better.--Eion 02:26, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay. I'll change the references to Dreadnought Heavy Cruisers, and move the article. --SparqMan 02:31, 4 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Well, we have at least two canon instances of calling the ship a Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruiser - The Thrawn Trilogy Sourcebook and the Imperial Sourcebook. Given that this is consistent with how other Imperial ships are named in technical vs. common parlance (Imperial-class Star Destroyers get called Imperial Star Destroyers, Strike-class Cruisers get called Strike Cruisers, etc.), I'm strongly inclined to say that the Dreadnaughts should be treated in the same way as these ships. JSarek 08:09, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
 * These are valid sources, but we'll ignore the capitalization as a goof. I say move it.--Eion 08:22, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, I misunderstood the argument; I thought it was between "Dreadnaught Heavy Cruiser" and "Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruiser," not about how it was capitalized. Looking at the two sources I cited, in both cases where they use the more formal "Dreadnaught-class," the "heavy cruiser" part is in lowercase (my mistake in transcription above, my apologies).  JSarek 08:49, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Mandalorian
Where does that come from? --SparqMan 20:09, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I've never heard of this either. It sounds like Mandalorian fanwank. I think it should be removed unless someone can confirm this. JimRaynor55 22:06, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It's from The Dreadnaughts of Rendili - specificaly, Part 2 in Republic #70, I think... --McEwok 22:49, 24 January 2006 (UTC) 22:46, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * That's right. Second to last page of Republic 71. "These are built from Mandalorian design. Not the most modern, but very strong." - Supreme Chancellor Palpatine. --AdmThrawn 22:57, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Atmosphere capable
I noticed that the new picture on this article shows a Dreadnaught on Coruscant's surface. Does this mean the Dreadnaughts were also capable of flight in the atmposhpere of a planet? -- SFH 22:56, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess it does. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:22, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought anything Victory Star Destroyer sized and smaller could go into atmospheres. -LtNOWIS 23:45, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, Venators could also. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:48, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

First Action?
When did the Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruiser have it's first victories over an enemy force?
 * Well, I don't believe that's ever been said. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:31, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Sublight speed upgraded?
For modernization, did the Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruiser get more powerful sublight engines for a faster speed?
 * While it probably is likely, we'll need a source. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:06, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Upgraded version?
What source is there for this upgraded version? Also, should we even include all these modifications that aren't even widespread, since you can modify a ship almost any way you want? JimRaynor55 04:33, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Where does it say that? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:52, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The info box lists stats for an upgraded version with all the laser cannons swapped for turbolasers. I never heard of this, and find it silly because turbolasers are far larger and power consuming than laser cannons. JimRaynor55 15:12, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh. I wasn't sure what you had meant by that before. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 15:14, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Possible Glitch-Admins Requested
When I load this article, there is a blank, and I don't know how to fix it. Quidon88 23:49, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you sure it isn't just your computer? Also, has it happened with other pages or just this one? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:38, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Source for these claims
I notice on the appearance list: Lando Calrissian and the Mindharp of Sharu (First mentioned), Lando Calrissian and the Flamewind of Oseon (Mentioned only), Lando Calrissian and the Starcave of ThonBoka. I know Imperial dreadnaughts were mentioned in at least one of these books, but these vessels were never stated to be the same as the Dreadnaught-class (which was invented by WEG years later, and much smaller). VT-16 12:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Wasn't there also the Invicible-class dreadnaught? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but that was for CSA use only, I think. VT-16 16:35, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:52, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Dreadnaught in ROTJ?
I realize I'm likely convincing myself of this, but it seems to me that either of those two ships below the Corvette and the Mon Cal Cruiser could qualify as a Dreadnaught. Any ideas or should I take my speculation elsewhere(eg. these have already been identified as other EU ships)? I had to tinyurl it to stop it from popping up in this talk page. http://tinyurl.com/328qub --70.225.179.141 04:56, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * They're Braha'tok-class gunships. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 13:37, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Really? I understand the one directly to the side of the Mon Cal Cruiser that looks like one it's engines is one of those, but the other two don't look like it to me, the one below the corvette and the other below the Mon Cal.  Oh well the more you know I guess. --70.225.179.141 13:53, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure the ones on the side and below the Mon Calamari Star Cruiser are the Braha'toks. However, I don't think the other one is question is a Dreadnaught. It may be one of the ships that (officially) only appear in the RotJ novel. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:46, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Naming...again

 * I may just not remember correctly, but wasn't the Katana Fleet made up of Heavy-class Dreadnaughts, as quoted in the Trawn Trilogy? --Ryluk Shouja 20:07, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:21, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * K --Ryluk Shouja 20:23, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * If anything, it's called a "heavy dreadnaught", but certainly not a "Heavy-class Dreadnaught" or anything like that. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:25, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok. I thought I read somewhere it was, but I may be mistaken.  I haven't read through the trilogy in a while.  --Ryluk Shouja 20:27, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * If you are right, however, please let us know. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll check up on it and tell you my source. --Ryluk Shouja 20:28, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That'd be great. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:29, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * never mind. It's Dreadnaught-class Heavy Cruiser, I was mistaken. --Ryluk Shouja 07:40, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, then. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 15:08, 17 February 2007 (UTC)