Talk:Darth Malak

Move to Alek Squinquargesimus?
Considering that's his birth name it seems that Malak's article should be moved there since virtually every Sith we list by their birth name unless it's unknown. For example, Darth Vader's article is located at Anakin Skywalker just as Darth Krayt's article links to A'Sharad Hett. So it seems reasonably that Darth Malak should redirect to Alek Squinquargesimus (as should Squint or Alek). Objections? --Niirfa-sa 16:40, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Correction about A'Sharad Hett, it appears that his article is redirected to Darth Krayt. I'd think we'd want to change that one around too but this is about Malak -> Alek. --Niirfa-sa 16:43, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Alek died as Darth Malak, so he should remain that. Drewton  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/c0/SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg/25px-SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg 16:48, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Infobox image
The old infobox image looked much better and more realistic than the current one. The difference almost looks like as much as a difference between a real actor and a painting. Drewton  02:09, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * No way. Revan's hand and lightsaber are in the way. That doesn't make for a good infobox image. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 02:49, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed (gah. Sharp pain). That and the subject is facing away from the "camera". While it's not policy that the subject be facing forward, it just awful/odd if they aren't. Way too much going on in the image anyway. Very unsuitable. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 04:03, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I also agree. The current one seems best. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 14:40, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * After looking at it again, I agree. It's a good image but not right for the infobox.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 15:04, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's perfect for the infobox. I made sure of it. Unless you are ready to throw out more suggestions, you aren't in a position to really judge. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 22:59, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I meant that the one I suggested wasn't right for the infobox after looking at it again, not the current one. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 23:23, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Image
I think that this image below would be a good one to put in the article. Maybe at the start of the "Sith apprentice" section?--Jedi Kasra 15:26, 20 April 2008 (UTC)




 * I agree. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 17:52, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Discussion template
Now that it's been months since it was added when Malak was revealed to be Alek, should the discussion template be taken down? Drewton  02:12, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Star Forge Duel Images
I took some screenshots from the Star Forge duel. Would any of these work for the article? I showed only the back of Revan so his face is not seen, and both his face and costume are almost completely hidden by the lightning in the third image. (pictures removed) Drewton  01:11, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't work at all. While I an tell what head it is, it's still too visible. Also, it suggests that Revan wielded two lightsabers, one green and one blue while wearing one of the heavy armors. Not to say they are bad shots but y'know. If you can get a shot that gets rid of simply Revan's head and he is only visibly wielding one saber (I don't want to say blue but considering Shadows and Light even if the entire image is blue) while he's wearing the Droma robes, then yeah. Maybe. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 04:26, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, a screenshot of him using the Mantle of the Force and in the Star Forge Robes would be more appropriate, I believe. Revan never wore a mask that resembled his Sith mask, that's one problem with Qel-Droma's vision. Why didn't they just do what they're doing with Revan in the KotOR comics, and just show the hood, with a black space?--Jedi Kasra 10:01, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually. The mask in the vision doesn't resemble Revans mask. It resembles a Vaccum mask. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 13:08, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

(pictures removed) Unfortunately, they are of an inferior quality to Drewton's images. Nevertheless, is this more what you were looking for? I know it uses Revan's dark side robes, but I always thought that the Star Forge robes were simply created to please lightsiders and are thus little more than a game mechanic.--Kessel 19:12, 3 May 2008 (UTC) (pictures removed) Drewton  02:51, 4 May 2008 (UTC) (pictures removed)
 * Using the vision as a base (though with Heart of the Guardian rather than Mantle of the Force), I took these screenshots:
 * I took some screenshots with Revan in the Droma robes with blue lightsaber, and will upload them now. I agree about the Revan robes though.   Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 02:23, 4 May 2008 (UTC)How are these ones?
 * Game machanic or not, the Star Forge robes are considered canonical. From the second gallery you posted, Drewton, I like the third and sixth images. But we still need to make it clear that Revan's appearance is customizable, and the way he looks in the pic should not be taken as the "canonical" Revan.--Jedi Kasra 16:05, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Should I take some screenshots with Revan in the Star Forge robes? Either Star Forge robes or Droma robes could be considered canonical, I think, since he has the Droma robes in the vision.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 19:37, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I would stick with the Qel-Droma Robes for now. I actually hava a fan-fic with Revan using both the Star Forge robes and the Qel-Droma robes. The Qel-Droma "robe" in the comic Shadows and Light actually looks to be nothing more than a cape. But I'm getting off subject. If you want, a pic is really needed for the Star Forge Robes article. The current image for the Star Forge robes article is too dark, in my opinion. Again, I'm getting off subject.--Jedi Kasra 21:06, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's another gallery of the ones I like the best.--Jedi Kasra 21:17, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

I'll take screenshots of the Star Forge robes tonight. Anyways, in case anyone wants to compare or Revan's robes are agreed on, I took screenshots of the duel with the Revan robes. Even if he didn't use his Darth robes for the duel, you just see a cape/hood in most of them which is what is in in the vision. (pictures removed)

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 * You might want to put a diccussion about this on Revan's talk page. Those are all really good, but I'd have to go with these here:--Jedi Kasra 23:52, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to say that I'd go with NONE of these. Not on quality or whats in them exactly but because there isn't any room in the article. Pictures support text. Not the other way around. Now, if you were deciding on one for Duel on the Star Forge, then yeah. Whatever. But there simply isn't enough room. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 02:19, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean more than one of those, of course. I was just giving lots of options.  We could replace either close-up of him in 'Dark Lord of the Sith' with a dueling image.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 02:27, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Now that I look at the pictures again, none of the ones where he's wearing Darth Revan's robes are really appropriate, since anyone who's played the game or seen a pictre of Darth Revan will know that he shouldn't be wearing his Sith robes. I would suggest this pic for the Duel on the Star Forge article. Cool pics, though.--Jedi Kasra 03:11, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Mask?
Whats the thing over his mouth?16:31, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * A cybernetic jaw, as it says in the infobox. A mask would cover one's entire face.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 16:38, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I was gonna ask the same thing, but, why does he have it? Did his mouth break or something or a duel?- '''Colonel Solo [[Image:GA Roundel.svg|20px]]Galactic Alliance Gaurd 21:37, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * As it says in the article, Malak's master, Darth Revan removed Malak's entire jaw with a lightsaber strike.  Aqua  Unasi  21:44, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

Homeworld
Apparently, Alek's homeworld is in the sector Quelii, or is a planet called Quelii itself. "Including Alek of Quelii, whose rogue actions in the Adasca affair..."

- Lucien Draay

Drewton  ( Drewton's Holocron ) 23:49, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Progress
A lot of progress has been made on this article lately, almost daily since April. Since March of this year, this article has gone from 5,853 to 8,787 words, which is a difference of 2934 words - almost 3000. Drewton  ( Drewton's Holocron )

Rogue Moon Prophecy
Now we all know that the Jedi Convenant's seers envisioned that a red-armored Sith Lord would destroy the Jedi Order and each master also saw their own deaths at the blade of the figure.

In the vision Raana Tey did die on on Taris during the Mandalorian invasion stoke by a lightsaber. Feln was cut by the red-armored Sith on Odryn, but we don't know if he dies by Zayne's hands. Xamar dies when his own allies start blasting his ship. And Q'Anilia saw dead jedi everywhere while she rushed to save a dead Krynda Draay on Coruscant. The presence of the red-armored Sith Lord is felt there. At the time of their visions, their Padawans wore similar suits as the armored Sith. As a result, they assumed that one of their students would fall to the dark side; thus leading to the conception and inniation of the Padawan Massacre of Taris.

What's that have to do with Malak?

Well, the thing that caught my eye was at the end of KotOR #10, when Alek is leaving Flashpoint station, he thanks Jarael for the spacesuit he is given. RED-ARMORED space suit, that is, identical to the one the padawans wore. And we know that Malak is the one that would destroy the Jedi Order. So we can presume that he has a role in the prophecy.

Another strange thing is that Alek was on Taris when the padawan massacre occured but I don't think he was influencing their judment in a way. The masters had the vision on the Rogue Moon, not on Taris way before the massacre happened.

Well. The master's vision isn't 100% true. Judging by the fact that Raana Tey wasn't stabbed by Zayne, but by Shel Jelevan can be proof that Zayne is not the one fulfilling the prophecy. Feln dies on Odryn alright, thinking he is slashed by the Sith Lord, but we must wait a few days to find out if he dies by Zayne's hands or by Alek's. Zayne did ask Alek for a big favor in the previous numbers, and we still haven't find out what that is. It is possible that he comes to Odryn and saves Zayne, killing Feln in the process. When Xamar sees his own allies blasting his ship, it could be the moment Revan and Malak take over a part of the Republic's fleet in the war against the mandalorians.

We'll just have to wait for the end of the Exalted to see how things come out.--Seth danny 17:52, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow. You just wasted all that time posting speculation nonsense and then I just wasted a good minute of my life reading it. I find it curious that nobody realizes to read the freakin template at the top that says the talk page is for discussion on the article and not the character itself. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 17:58, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Well now, if this speculation comes true, then that proves the article lacks a new sub-chapter that would be related to the RMP, doesn't it? So it's not only about the character, it's how you look at it.--Seth danny 20:22, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Keyword there being 'if'. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 21:22, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * "It's how you look at it." Exactly.  Speculation about Lucien being the Revanchist could be true.  It doesn't mean it will.  Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 21:30, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Search for the Star Forge
Revan and Malak first found the Star Map on Kashyyyk in 3,961 BBY, which would be a year before the Battle of Malachor V. Should the search for the Star Forge therefore come before the Battle of Malachor V in the article? Drewton  ( Drewton's Holocron ) 17:22, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Alek's Jedi Master
I was reading the dialogue files for The Sith Lords, and Mical says that Zhar was his master. This isn't a dispute of whose master was who, rather the source. I have played the game a million times, and never could get the Disciple to say anything like that, although it's most likely a bug. In the files it's part of the conversation in which the Exile asks him what his problems with the Jedi are.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 18:44, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Loss of Jaw
All right I was reading the article and it says that Revan removed his jaw and gives the source "Heritage of the Sith." I've gone back and read that article over and over and found nothing that says that. Could someone tell me what the source is for Revan having removed Malak's jaw?
 * The other source there is Insider #100. If that's wrong, then it's the Hasbro cardback for Darth Malak. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 12:50, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

Squint is not yet canon!
I think we're taking a bit of a leap of faith here by combining squint with malak. Alright, I know it's obvious... but its yet to be official.
 * Yes it is. It's from the Essential Guide to the Force. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 17:42, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Even if it didn't, the preview currently up for KotOR #31 has Alek using an alias of Captain Malak and is shown with the familiar tattoos on his head. That makes it pretty darn official to me. And annoying, since it was a waste of time to make it a whole 'is he or isn't he' mystery when he gets outted by an Essential Guide, not the comic...DGCatAniSiri 01:21, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, the way I saw the preview, Captain Malak isn't merely a cover, it's his actual name now.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 19:27, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Quote, again....
OK. The quote from Darth Sion about Malak at the beginning o fthe article has got to go. It's nowhere in the game, it's nowhere in the files for the game. Surely there is a better quote?--Jedi Kasra (talk) 19:31, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is. It's during the duel on Malachor. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 19:42, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Except I've played the game a million times, as a dark-sider and a light-sider, as both a man and a woman, and explored nearly every possible dialogue option, and he said nothing to me about Malak.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 20:08, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Kasra. At first, I thought I was merely crazy to be unable to find it but considering how a second opinion says that it's not there. It is odd though. Since I do remember him saying it. Though that maybe crazy talking. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 03:57, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

''Malak had strength, and embraced it, saw his oppertunity and took it. The Lord Revan had a chance to rule over an Empire, to heal this broken galaxy, make it strong again. Instead he surrendered it to weakness, and ran away.'' That is the exact quote, I've just played the game and Sion definately says it on Malachor V. I agree its not the best lead quote though. - –K.A.J•T•C•E• 08:06, 22 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Though I was unable to find it either, I remember hearing that exactly. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 12:23, 22 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The fact that you guys only heard it a few times might be an in-game bug, perhaps you are supposed to hear that all the time, but because of that bug only hear it occassionally. It could be the fact that I play only the Xbox version. Or maybe it's the dialogue choices, could you post the completre conversation to that point, KAJ?--Jedi Kasra (talk) 19:39, 28 July 2008 (UTC)