Talk:Sith'ari

Is it possible that the Sith'ari is Revan?? Could there be some similarity as to be at least mentioned? MoffRebus 01:00, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * It was probably intended to be the Chosen One, but now that you mention it...-- SFH 05:39, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Unlikely, since Revan didn't destroy the sith. He killed Malak, yes, but there were other Sith Lords still around. QuentinGeorge 05:45, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)

How can the Sith'ari be The Chosen One anyway? The C.O. is Anakin, but he doesn't fit in the Sith'ari description at all. Only backwards MoffRebus 23:27, 17 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It's simple. Anakin destroyed the Sith (Dooku), making himself the apprentice, thus making the Sith stronger. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:08, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It's not 100% satisfying either. Dooku was not 'the Sith'. It would make sense to me if Anakin killed both Dooku and Palpatine at once, and then ascend the throne of the latter on his own, but this isn't the case. MoffRebus 07:08, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It's from a certain point of view. He killed a Sith (never said it had to be the master), and became a Sith. It's as simple as that. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:59, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * The text on this page simply says the Sith'ari destroys the Sith, but makes the Sith stronger beforehand. Doesn't mention the Sith'ari killing a Sith prior to his ascendancy. Is that official? - Kwenn
 * One assumes that if they destroy the Sith, they kill a Sith. Perhaps, instead of "the Sith", it could just mean "a Sith". Admiral J. Nebulax 22:25, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Anakin can't be the sith'ari because he did not lead the Sith anew. The prophecy says that the sith'ari would wipe out his competition, then lead a new, stronger breed of Sith to destroy the Jedi. It seems to me that all signs point to either Sadow or Bane...
 * I think Anakin could be the Sithari, because as a Sith he sees them destroy the Jedi, but in the end he and Palpatine die, which is the destruction of the Sith. Or something. Hurhrm. --ChristheGreat 01:40, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Evil Never Dies
Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties reveals Sith'ari means "the Lord" or "Overlord". More fuel to stoke the idea that it's Palpatine being referred to, rather than Anakin. Adas and Palpatine share a number of similarities, despite the King's cosmetic connection with Vader - Kwenn 09:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly, I'd like the reference to Anakin taken out of the IU section entirely, since it is entirely fanon, and suppositional based on guessing the authorial intent. QuentinGeorge 09:52, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Seconded. It was the same deal with the Son of the Suns thing being automatically equated with the Chosen One. Anakin destroys the Sith, yes, but he's not a perfect being, and doesn't bring them to full strength. If anything, that's referring to Sidious. However, it may even have been referring back to Adas, and there hasn't actually been another Sith'ari, as prophecied in KotOR - Kwenn 11:04, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * We should definitely remove everything that says "Anakin = Sith'ari" due to this. Palpatine is probably the Sith'ari. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:12, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * But as with Anakin, there's no proof Palpatine is the Sith'ari either, though it is a more likely assumption. As I said, the prophecy may not even have been fulfilled - Kwenn 11:21, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've removed Skywalker from the text and expanded the BtS section - Kwenn 11:25, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I wish that someone would have said who the Sith'ari was when they came up with it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:39, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

KotOR
How is this refrenced in KotOR? Revan 22:09, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe the prophecy is metioned in the game. But I don't have it myself. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:10, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I have the game and beat it, and I dont see no refrences Revan 22:14, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps someone else saw it. Let's wait for confirmation. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:17, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * When Revan attempts to gain access to the Sith Academy he has to talk with Yuthura Ban, it is she who tells Revan about the Sith'ari Jasca Ducato 10:45, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:50, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Balance to the Force?
What? This is a completely unfounded assumption unless new information outside of KotOR has been provided.

"The legends say that the Sith'ari will destroy us and also make us stronger than ever"

You can draw some parallels to the idea of the Chosen One, but there is NOTHING about bringing balance to the Force in there. If anything, it more accurately describes Darth Bane, who destroys the Sith Order as it had stood (an Order of many), and reshapes it into the Order of Two, making it stronger than ever. Or even the Exile, who's nature fits in perfectly with the final line of the Sith Code "The Force shall free me".

Speculation about its relation to the Chosen One prophesy is fine, but saying that it talks about bringing balance to the Force is BS as far as I can tell.

In addition to the quote now at the top of the page, this is what is said about the Sith'Ari:


 * Yuthura Ban: That is our ideal at any rate. It is said in Sith legend that the Sith'ari, the perfect being will one day lead us but perhaps that is just a legend.
 * Yuthura Ban: I wonder what that being would be like. The legends say the Sith'ari will destroy us and make us stronger than ever.

Nothing about bringing balance to the Force, see?

Now it's probably correct to assume that this is the Sith take on the Chosen One prophesy, but lets stick to the facts.

(195.92.168.170 12:05, 24 January 2006 (UTC))

Has anyone thought about Palpatine? He did manage to conqure the galaxy. Also, it could be said that by corrupting Anakin, he set the stage for the destruction of the Sith twenty years later.

In light of the new info coming from Legacy, could Jacen be the Sith'ari? Anakin did not destroy the Sith because one of his Alcolytes, Lumiya, survived and was trained in the Sith arts so the Sith were continued. What if Jacen destroys Lumiya and reinvents the Sith in his new vision of Gray, therefore destroying them and making them stronger. Just a theory. Stinkywookie 19:54, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

"Only two there are; no more, no less."

- A certain little grren guy everybody loves

The only Sith were Sidious and Vader, Lumiya was a Dark Jedi, even if she claimed to be a Sith. Vader was the last true Sith, unless u count Luke when he became the Reborn Emperor's apprentice. Jasca Ducato 20:05, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

True, but it is commonly believed that Sith apprentices tend to start training their apprentices before they destroy their master. Sith are not known for following the rules ;)Stinkywookie 20:12, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * We already know Anakin failed, since Palpatine returned. I don't think Jacen would be the Sith'ari, but I don't think the Chosen One and the Sith'ari were the same, especially with Star Wars: Legacy. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Anakin didnt fail. Nothing said that the balance or Sith's destruction was permanent.
 * In a way, he failed as the Chosen One but he succeeded as the Sith'ari. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:03, 15 Jun 2006 (UTC)

I have the solution
The Chosen one and the Sith'ari are the same. Let me explain:
 * The Chosen One is said to bring balance to the force by destroying the Sith, who are believed to be the cause of the unbalance.
 * The Sith'ari is said to destroy the Sith, but make them more powerful than ever.

Now, we know that the first one came true, but about the second:

"A prophecy that misread, could have been."--Yoda

The Sith'ari made the Sith more powerful before destroying them. Nowhere in the game does it specifically say that he made them more powerful through the destruction at all. Yuthura only happened to mention this part second, and even if she meant it like that, she still could have misread the prophecy.
 * A lot of "could have"s there. There's no proof they are one and the same. It could be argued that Sidious is the Sith'ari: his actions make the Sith strong, but since he also turns Anakin to the dark side and attempts to kill Luke, he's partly responsible for their eventual downfall - Kwenn 19:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, anon: When Anakin killed Palpatine and died, he destroyed the Sith, but they later returned stronger in the form of the Legacy era Sith. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:46, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Erm, its pretty much consensus alredy that they're the same. But like Kwenn said, theirs no definitve proof. As as for Yuthura, she does say in-game that its through their destruction that he makes them stronger. Jasca Ducato 20:48, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * And why did you remove what I wrote? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:49, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Who, me? Jasca Ducato 20:55, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:58, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't! Oh wait, sorry, i was editing the page at the same time. Thought it was the anon again. Jasca Ducato 21:00, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, there's that problem when you're editing past edits&mdash;it deletes every change in the edits after that one. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:37, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thought I'd point out a recent post over at TF.N, wherein Abel apparently agrees with my opinion that the Chosen One, the Sith'ari and the Son of the Suns are three separate concepts - Kwenn 22:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)