Talk:Darth Caedus

Dark Lord of the Sith
Anybody have any idea why it says "Unkown, eventually succeeded by Darth Krayt" in this spot on the page? Krayt was already the Dark Lord/ Dread Lord of the New Sith Order by the time Jacen became Darth Caedus.Darth Nikolai 04:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I know why it's phrased like that. If the Rule of Two continues post-LotF, then there will be other Dark Lords before Krayt takes over and actually replaces the Rule of Two with the Rule of One. You're right in saying that Krayt is Dark Lord since c. 30 ABY, but he may not be the Dark Lord until 130 ABY. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 11:49, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * So because Lumiya's Sith was a continuation of Bane's Order, until it dies out, Krayt can't be considered the Dark Lord? Well, okay I'll buy that I guess. But with Caedus' death and Tahiri's defection, Lumiya's (and therefore Bane's) Sith died. Unless we get a story that says Lumiya broke the Rule of Two and secretly had another apprentice the One Sith are the preeminent Sith faction in the galaxy making Krayt the Dark Lord. Hence, based on the information we have now, it shouldn't say "unknown, eventually..."Darth Nikolai 04:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I suppose we'll find out. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 12:33, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Remember that we don't have any source were he proclaims himself the Dark Lord of the Sith in the LOTF. But he does eventually, hence eventually succeeded by Darth Krayt Steves490 20:22, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry for being off topic, but I've always wondered what exactly is the source for Krayt being the "Dread Lord"?--Jedi Kasra (talk) 17:10, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Its in Star Wars Legacy 1: Broken, Part 1 Steves490 20:58, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Pic of Caedus and Jaina dueling
Caedus has both arms in the pic, could this be the duel on Nickel One? He only had one arm when she dueled him the second and final time--Jedi Kasra (talk) 17:08, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It'd have to be the duel on Nickel One. It's already used here. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 17:11, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * OK. Just wanted to make sure.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 17:13, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Behind the Threat: The Sith
It should be mentioned somewhere on this article that Jaecn Solo is mistakenly called "Jacen Skywalker" in the Wizards of the Coast article. Also, the article says that Lumiya resurrected the Rule of Two, wouldn't this make Lumiya's Sith nothing more than a sect, and not a different organization, than the Rule of Two? Should the Lumiya's Sith article be merged with the Rule of Two article?--Jedi Kasra (talk) 19:47, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Lumiya's Sith has always been referred to as a continuation of Bane's order, but it was never actually given the blessing of member of the rule of two. It is her own seperate order. Lumiya just followed the same rules that worked so well for Darth Vader and his sith ancestors. Steves490 20:11, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Name of the Article
I think that the main name of the article should be "Jacen Solo," rather than "Darth Caedus." Darth Vader's page is "Anakin Skywalker"; based on the quick-redemption-before-death parallel, I feel that the title of the main page should be changed.
 * Look at Anakin's talk page to see why the name of the article is Anakin Skywalker. At the moment it's never actually said that Caedus was redemed, only that Jania thinks he was. Oh, and please sign your comments with four tidles ( ~ ) - Kingpin13Cantina Battle Ground 16:17, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Initially I was against the thought that he was redeemed right at the end. But after thinking about it for a while, I think that since Jaina thought he was redeemed then maybe that's how it should go. She was, after all, the one closest to him for his whole life, and she was present right when he died. Also, the argument could be used that the page should be named Jacen Solo for reasons other than that. I know that many won't like this idea, but it makes sense to me: Anakin Skywalker was known as Anakin Skywalker, not Darth Vader for a large portion of his life, even if many remember the man Darth Vader was more than Anakin Skywalker. The same argument could be made for Jacen. He did, in fact, spend the majority of his life as Jacen Solo, a "good guy". He was only Darth Caedus for a short time. So, it could also be concluded that eventhough he will be remembered by many as Darth Caedus IU, maybe for our OU references Jacen Solo would be more appropriate.I don't know. I'm betting everyones gonna hate on me for that argument, but I'm entitled to my opinion, and technically, its never been stated one way or the other if he was redeemed. I don't really care either way, I just had an idea. -- Zadi ( Yack Track ) 16:22, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't see why I should hate you for that, I want to make Wookieepedia as good as posible and please everyone in the process. But the reason Anakins name is Anakin is because the book naration refered to him as Anakin (saying things such Anakin moved, Anakin drew a breath etc. etc.), and, I haven't actually read the book, but the impression I get is that the narration never refered to Caedus, only said that Jaina thought he was. Hopefully the next book will settle this properly. - Kingpin13Cantina Battle Ground 17:16, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * This was already discussed many times, look in the archives Steves490 17:36, 27 June 2008 (UTC)

Look, Jaina said that he died as Jacen Solo. I don't know about you guys, but I think Jaina Solo is a pretty reliable source. Change it back to Jacen Solo.71.106.50.65 00:12, 30 June 2008 (UTC) The page should stay as Darth Caedus, but I think the author wrote the scene so you could interpret his actions as redemption if you wanted to. From the book, not exact: "The only attempt he made to save himself was to step back into the light." Drewton   ( Drewton's Holocron ) 15:43, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No, because it's only Jaina's POV on the matter. She might have said that she thought he died as Jacen only because that's what she wanted to happen. I read the book; I see no indication that he was redeemed. Thus, he died as Darth Caedus. This issue has been debated a couple times already, and the page hasn't been moved (nor will it be). Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 00:17, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * We should not clutter up the talk page when the same exact argument has been made before, read the archives. Steves490 15:44, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe so, but he might appear again and say he has returned while being a Force ghost. Jacen didn't die as a bad guy as we all know, so why condemn him to Heck? 12.179.11.22 23:34, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That may be the case. However, that is not the case right now. According to the last official source, Invincible, Jacen died as Caedus. See above discussion (as well as all of the archived discussion) for more. 02:12, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If he does return as a Force ghost and says he was redeemed, then the name of the article will be changed then, but for now it will stay as Darth Caedus  Jaina Leia Mara Jedi Knight
 * Frankly, even if he returns as a "redeemed" Force ghost, I don't think the article's name should change. He died as Darth Caedus - that's a fact. Becoming a Force ghost doesn't mean he was redeemed, unless he would say something along the lines of "I returned to the light before I died." Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 16:49, 2 July 2008 (UTC)