Talk:Jedi/Legends

This page seems to conflict with the Jedi Code listed here in Wookiepedia. --qrc 00:48, 11 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Dressing code
Under 'way of life'discussing Jedi appearance, we read


 * The left side is always on the right part of the dress

This phrase is incomprehensible and maybe needs to be reworded IMHO. Personally I don't understand what it means! MoffRebus 10:41, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Separate Articles?
Since this is the Star Wars Wiki, I think that the Jedi Ranks should each have their own separate articles.--Darth Fisto 00:37, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed. At the very least, Knight and Master require their own pages. Then there are the less canonical titles.--SparqMan 02:46, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Agree--Eion 07:24, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I completely agree with you.--Jeedai123 01:01, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Celibate
Oh, good grief, what's this?: The Jedi are a unchaste monastic organization. You make it sound like some sort of ancient near-eastern pagan fertility cult. I don't think that sentence conveys the original meaning, which was that they are forbidden to marry (barring, of course, special exceptions such as Ki-Adi-Mundi, who was given an exception because of low Cerean birth rates). We know nothing of their standards regarding chastity. – Aidje talk 16:40, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, Jedi are celibate, in the traditional meaning of the word. Celibate = Do not Marry (as opposed to "chaste" which means no sex outside of marriage. So, Jedi are celibate, but not chaste.
 * Ahh, good catch.--Eion 07:24, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's quite so cut and dried as that. Answers.com gives both of those definitions for celibate, and also gives celibate as a synonym of chaste. The Usage Notes for celibate say that the meaning has changed during the 20th century to include chastity. It is my suspicion that if one were taking a vow of celibacy it typically would be assumed that one would remain chaste as well. In other words: chaste = no sex outside of marriage, celibate = no sex at all, not even in marriage. Just my $0.02. – Aidje talk 16:30, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I wonder how they dealt with species that reproduced asexually. --SparqMan 17:25, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Presumably, having a child, even if you were the only parent, would be a large stumbling block if one was trying to avoid attachment. – Aidje talk 18:03, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

It probably should say calibate. Or "celibate (but not chaste)". Or have a small paragraph later explaining the information (including the Ki-Adi-Mundi exception and the fact that the New Jadi Order isn't celibate) --Death Regis 18:28, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * My vote goes for leaving it out of the initial paragraph (since it's too complicated) and having a later section that talks about marriage/ attachment/ exceptions/ differences between old and new order/ etc. – Aidje talk 18:38, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I just put it in the opening paragraph b/c I couldn't think of a better place, but the important thing is that Jedi do get freaky, they just never go steady.--Eion 19:49, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Hopefully my edit has at least sorted it out a little --Fade 13:51, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

How about some ancient Jedi families? like Nomi Sunrider's family until her descedant Vima Da-boda? Maybe it shoudl be added that the rule of celibacy was later. 62.74.5.202 19:30, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

-- Eon Kaaz 00:02, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Who said they would have sex only for procreation?
 * where i get lost is people like Vima Da Boda and Rostek Horn, they have children and significant others but no attatchment is allowed. and i'd say children count as attatchment Needa
 * For a record, Jedi could have sex if it was necessary for their mission. - Sikon [ Talk ] 17:57, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I seems as though Jedi are not allowed to have children, in RotS Padme believes Anakin will have to leave the order when information about their child gets out. So while this doesn't necesarily mean they must be completely chaste, children appear to be forbidden excepting special circumstaces (like Ki-adi)--Jerry 17:49, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

NJO Code
Should the NJO code get its own article? --SparqMan 18:32, 11 May 2005 (UTC) I haven't read the NJO books (they started coming out too fast and I didn't enjoy their hard-scifi style, so I just gave up). I'm merely referencing the NJO article which says, "The order itself is set apart from the Jedi order of the Old Republic by a new code and a broadened view of the Force." (emphasis my own) --SparqMan 19:46, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * What is the NJO code? Is there an official version? Or do you mean the new Jedi Order itself? In which case, I think it should, and that article could also cover the Jedi Praxeum and the Galactic Alliance High Council. Kwenn 19:19, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Jedi types
I'm really not sure this should be included in the articles- it sounds more like an artifact of RPGs than anything else. Is there anything a little more solid (other than game mechanics) to back this up? -Fade 22:27, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Would user Jaster stop using lightsaber colors to determine whether a Jedi is a consular or a guardian? Both Qui-Gon and Luke are guardians! Does the fact Luke go from blue to green to red mean he keeps changing affiliation? No! Don't use KOTOR game to make changes like this. It's an RPG convention so, if we are going to keep this on the page (and perhaps it should be culled) please use the actual SOURCE! QuentinGeorge 09:57, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed. If the KotOR colour system was used at all, then it was at the time of the KotoR game. After 1,000 before Yavin they were 99% green or blue anyway. --Beeurd 15:32, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I've now done something with this. Someone can modify it further if they see any reason to. --Fade 19:19, 23 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Based off the wikipedia article, there are other jedi types. There are Healers, Investigators, and Librarians/Historians. I think that this is accurate, however, they may just be roles that a consular or sentinel play. Still, I think they should be included. In "Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords", there are advanced classes, Jedi Weaponsmaster, Watchman, and Master. I think that these are also other types but are still, like the last more of an expansion of former types. Perhaps, there should be recognized that per se Guardians often become Weaponsmasters or Consulars Masters or Sentinels Watchmen? That would recognize that there isn't a set type that the Jedi MUST pertain to. You know? I agree that colour does not show ones affiliation to a certain group or type, it is a nifty system to help other Jedi know who you are, like if you were in battle and the Medic Jedi weilded a Red and the Guardians Blue, then you would know who to go to for help. (This last line has no source, just my opinion).

Master title
um.. the third movie said you get the title of master if you sit on the jedi council. What's up with that?
 * Well, there are masters (an honorific to refer to any jedi knight, e.g. Master Jedi) and then there are the inner ciricle, the MASTERS, these are the council members. However, Ki Adi Mundi was not a master when he first took a seat on the council, so the point is moot. Plus, Anakin was just pissed; he needed the title so he could access the sith holocrons of the archives so he could save Padme--Eion 01:06, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Being called "Master Kenobi" doesn't mean you are a Jedi Master. It is just a term of address for any fully-fledged Jedi (Knight or higher). Being on the Council usually means you are a Jedi Master, except for Anakin or Ki-Adi-Mundi. Ki-Adi-Mundi may be a little continuity error there, but I'm sure it will be address sooner or later. QuentinGeorge 06:03, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I would also like to add that there are a lot of Jedi Masters who aren't on the Council. JimRaynor55 07:25, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Also, Padawans refer to their masters as Master, even if their master is a Knight.

Population
Do we know about how many Jedis existed during some certain periods in the whole Galaxy? Hundreds, Thousands or Millions? I think that during the prequel-era the Jedis were declining and were relatively few, but I don't think that the number seen in the battle of Geonosis is repesentative. Do we have any source? 62.74.4.199 22:10, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * At the time of Episode I, the number of Jedi in the galaxy was about 10,000. Unfortunately, I don't remember the source. – Aidje talk 11:17, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * There are several sources - the Ep I/II novelizations and Cloak of Deception, off the top of my head. Also, from KOTOR, it cna assumed that there are only a few hundred, at most, Jedi in the galaxy. Kuralyov 14:26, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)


 * After the Great Jedi Purge, only five survived, to the best of my knowledge. Yoda, Obi-wan, Empatojayos Brand, Vima Da Boda, and perhaps a few others who were not mentioned, as the EU novels suggest.


 * I think there were more... I cant remember everyone but im sure there are more. Go to the Great Jedi Purge link....

"Major Jedi"

 * The Major Jedi section seems to have degenerated into a list of Jedi, which we already have. MarcK 10:27, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * We need some sort of guideline as to what amounts to notability. – Aidje talk 19:27, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I'd suggest only listing Jedi that have had a leading role in a book/movie/game/whatever, or other Jedi who have been mentioned as being worthy of note. No padawans unless they did something very remarkable, IMO. eg: Zett Jukassa: He was on the screen for all of 15 seconds and killed a couple of clones, does that make him a "major" Jedi? I think not. --beeurd 22:44, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * While Zett is now one of my favorite Jedi, I have to agree with you&mdash;his brief appearance, cool though it may have been, hardly qualifies him as major. He killed more than a couple, by the way. :-) – Aidje talk 04:58, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * While trimming down the list, I noticed another trait which does not qualify a Jedi as 'major': appearing in KOTOR. I have a feeling that every KOTOR Jedi was on that list. – Aidje talk 05:45, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Do we really even need a Major Jedi section? How about just a link to List of Jedi.  If people really want examples of notable Jedi, there are no shortage of them in the text itself for the reader to look up.  jSarek 05:57, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. The listing in the article is merely a carryover from Wikipedia. Excise it, and just have a link to the big list. QuentinGeorge 06:26, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * That would certainly make things easier; we wouldn't have to make so many decisions, and we wouldn't have to worry about our trimming being undone. jSarek is right that there are many names in the text, anyway. I'm all for just putting a link to the list in ==See also==. – Aidje talk 16:20, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Right, so if we're all in agreement in just ditching the section altogether I'll go ahead and get rid of it. MarcK 14:56, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Recent history of the jedi
I deleted this section, since it was copied over to Jedi history, where I think it'll work out better. I replaced it with a brief timeline with a link to the jedi history article, but any short summary will probably work there.-LtNOWIS 06:24, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Grand Master?
I've been searching the web and keep coming across the title of "Jedi Grand Master". It says that Yoda held this position under the Old Republic, and that Luke Skywalker also holds it. Is this an actual title, or is it some fanon creation? -- SFH 03:44, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Power of the Jedi says that both Yoda and Luke were acknowledged as the "Grand Masters of their respective orders" but doesn't say it was an actual title. QuentinGeorge 06:05, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Dark Rendezvous and The Swarm War specifically use the title in relation to Masters Yoda and Skywalker - 86.130.227.128

Remove 'Doomed' Tag
Because this is a major page I thought I would post here before removing the tag myself. This article looks pretty clean to me now. Anyone opposed to removing the tag? --Culix 17:39, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Seems okay to me. --SparqMan 17:56, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

History
That big chunk of history added needs to go into the History of the Jedi Order page, not here. QuentinGeorge 07:58, 26 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Main Picture
Since this is one of the most popular pages on the Star Wars Wiki, I figured I'd leave a note here before changing the main picture. The picture i'm replacing it with, funnily enough, is an Episode III promo shot of Mace, Anakin, and Obi-Wan, instead of the Episode II one we have up now. If anyone would like me to change the new image or crop it for any reason, or would like or do it themselves, feel free to do so. --Knightfall 01:17, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd rather you leave the one that's there. I picked it for a specific reason - it shows one member of each of the rank - padawan, knight, master. The Episode III was shows two masters and a knight. Please don't replace it. Feel free to put the other one somewhere in the article, if you want. QuentinGeorge 01:21, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem. I'll change it back.--Knightfall 01:26, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I've put them both in. QuentinGeorge 01:27, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I'm not trying to be biased, but I really think my promo picture is a better representation of the Jedi Order than the edited picture that "The Koon" has put on here. Especially because of the fact that it showed the Jedi with their lightsabers ignited. I dunno, I just thought it more effective than the one thats in here now. Any thoughts?--Knightfall 01:49, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Lightdagger
If you look at the lightsaber article, then you'll see the lightdagger. I really don't like the idea of lightdaggers, but I have used it one or two times on my sister's rp, www.mdream.avidgamers.com. You can use it even if you're not in the NJO. I like that. It's cool. But there's a bad thing about it: if you're being hunted, then a bounty hunter can sneak up on you and set the dagger to stun, and then he can stun you with it. That would not be good. Any comments? --Jeedai123 01:00, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Surviving Jedi
"Several Jedi survived the Great Jedi Purge, but many more severed their connection to the Force." Do you think this is true? My friend said it when I asked how many Jedi he thought survived the Great Jedi Purge. I agree with him. Do you? --Jeedai123 01:13, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Rules for Jedi Behavior
Taken from the Power of the Jedi book, think any of this should be added?

Rules for Jedi Behavior


 * Following The Code
 * Self Discipline
 * Conquer Arrogance
 * Conquer Overconfidence
 * Conquer Defeatism
 * Conquer Stubbornness
 * Conquer Recklessness
 * Conquer Curiosity
 * Conquer Aggression
 * Conquer External Loyalties
 * Conquer Materialism
 * Responsibility
 * Practice Honesty
 * Honor Your Promise
 * Honor Your Padawan
 * Honor Your Master
 * Honor the Jedi Council
 * Honor the Jedi Order
 * Honor the Law
 * Honor Life
 * Public Service
 * Duty to the Republic
 * Render Aid
 * Defend the Weak
 * Provide Support

-Should I just move this to the talk section of the Jedi Code?

Seperate article
This has just come to my attention. Does anybody think that we should actually seperate the article into two seperate articles. One being Old Jedi Order (to match with New Jedi Order), and another being Jedi.

The first article, Old Jedi Order would describe the Jedi Order as a whole and its impact upon the galaxy, pretty much like the New Jedi Order article does. The Jedi article would describe the individualism of the Jedi themselves. It could involve things such as Clan stages (and notable exceptions), the trials, becoming Masters and much more.

Its only a rough idea but what do you think? Jasca Ducato 19:42, 24 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I think its a good idea.Grunny 05:31, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

We should add Jedi Rules of Engagement
5. Understand the dark and light in all things. 6. Learn to see accurately. 7. Open your eyes to what is not evident. 8. Exercise caution, even in trivial matters.

these are the ones from Cloak of Deception.


 * If this is going to go anywhere we need replies to this. Jasca Ducato 14:34, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * What are the first four rules? KEJ 14:38, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Move to Old Jedi Order

 * Should we move this to Old Jedi Order to match with the New Jedi Order? Jasca Ducato 15:08, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Hello? Jasca Ducato 16:41, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Against. This article describes the NJO as well, though to a limited extent. - Sikon [ Talk ] 17:47, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Removed Section
I have taken the liberty of removing this section:

"There has also been speculation of a romance between the Jedi Exile and either Visas or Brianna."

The fact is, the Exile's gender has not been confirmed. So listing his/her romantic interests is not a smart idea.

Yoda Quote
Okay, if someone doesn't reply to this in two days I will change it. (I would acctually prefer some support) The quote that we used of Yoda's is currently "My ally is the Force..." but what he REALY said was "The Force is my ally...". So I'm gonna change it if there are no objections. Lord vader1414 16:39, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No, its correct. The full line is:

"And well you should not. For my ally is the Force. And a powerful ally it is."-Redemption 16:55, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, okay. Man I gotta watch ESB again...Lord vader1414 06:17, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Jedis view of love
I think we should add a paragraph about the jedi's view of love, who agrees?

Master Nikolce 07:22, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Who can and who can't be a Jedi
So only those who are Force Sensitive can be Jedis, so not just any one can be a Jedi, Right? Double D 17:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep. Jasca Ducato 17:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)