Wookieepedia:Good article nominations



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A Good article must&hellip;
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 * 9) &hellip;have significant information, especially a biography for character articles. For articles under 1000 words in length, comprehensive detail is required with all information covered from all sources and appearances. For articles over 1000 words, broad coverage addressing all major aspects of the topic is sufficient.
 * 10) &hellip;be completely referenced for all available material and sources. See Sourcing for more information.
 * 11) &hellip;have all quotes and images sourced.
 * 12) &hellip;provide at least one quote on the article if available. A leading quote at the beginning of the article would be preferred, though not required if no quotes are available. Although quotes may be placed in the body of the article, a maximum of one quote is allowed at the beginning of each section.
 * 13) &hellip;ideally include a "personality and traits" section on all character articles if information is available.
 * 14) &hellip;ideally include a "powers and abilities" section on relevant character articles, especially for Force-sensitive characters where said powers and/or abilities are stipulated.
 * 15) &hellip;include a "Behind the scenes" section.
 * 16) &hellip;include a reasonable number of images of good quality if said images are available.
 * 17) &hellip;counting the introduction and "Behind the scenes" material, be at least 250 words long (not including captions, quotes, or headers, etc).

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Palleus Chuff

 * Nominated by:  Pranay Sobusk  ~  Talk  14:54, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: I tried one more for GA.

(0 AC/1 users/1 total)
Support
 * 1)  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 21:05, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Object  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 01:18, 10 November 2008 (UTC) 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) IFYLOFD:
 * 2) * In the intro: "In 20 BBY the Galactic Republic government asked him to play Yoda in reality going to a mission to Ithor, while the real Yoda was on a secret mission to Vjun with two Masters and two Padawans." Split up and/or reword this sentence.
 * 3) **Addressed
 * 4) * "Due to that small size, he often portrayed characters that he absulotely disliked." Why did his small size force him to play characters he disliked?
 * 5) **Addressed
 * 6) * "Chuff should play Yoda in reality going to a mission to Ithor." This confuses me a little. Is he playing Yoda or going on a mission to Ithor? Clear this up a little.
 * 7) **Addressed
 * 8) * "He also did not have the heart to answer the journalist's question." Who is the journalist?
 * 9) **Addressed
 * 10) * The article could use a good copy-edit.
 * 11) **I have tried it as far as possible. If you still see something, please advise.
 * 12) *"The Dark Jedi Asajj Ventress heart about Chuff's mission in the media and decided to lie in wait for him, because she knew that a dead Yoda would be a catastrophe for the Jedi Order." Why would Yoda's death be catastrophic?
 * 13) **Addressed
 * 14) * The prose itself is a bit choppy. Merge some short sentences that distupt the flow of the article together.
 * 15) **Also tried this as far as possible. If you still see something, please advise.
 * 16) * "After Yoda had already done four of five" Four of five of what?
 * 17) **Addressed
 * 18) * Any quotes?
 * 19) **Added one, the rest are only such simple quotes like "Thank you." or "May the Force be with you.". Thank you for the review.  Pranay Sobusk  ~  Talk  21:22, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Chack Attack:
 * 2) * "enjoyed playing roles, especially playing heros." Could be phrased better.
 * 3) **Addressed
 * 4) * Clarify the "as he was going to a mission" bit in the intro.
 * 5) **Addressed
 * 6) * "Asajj Ventress intended to kill Chuff because she felt confident that Yoda flew the courier." Bad wording.
 * 7) **Addressed
 * 8) * "because the play got good criticism from the media, for example by the TriNebulon News." This reads very awkwardly.
 * 9) **Addressed
 * 10) * "There was also a fan called Charpp who watched Jedi! 15 times." Only include if you can tie it in to the article better.
 * 11) **Removed, because it is not really important for the life of Palleus Chuff.
 * 12) * "When he was finally on his own, one of his major goals was not to disappoint Yoda. For that reason, he ignored his thinkings of a killer droid shooting him. It was eventually an easy job for him to cut off the supports off the Last Call by using the lightsaber Yoda gave him." These sentences don't tie well together.
 * 13) **Rephrased
 * 14) * "He instantaneously went to the turbolifts after that where he already imagined his own death, when Yoda suddenly arrived." Bad wording.
 * 15) **Rephrased.
 * 16) * "In addition, his colleagues eventually saw his witty qualities. Since childhood, Chuff had the fear of flying as well as the fear of closed spaces." I'd suggest you split this second sentence into the start of a new paragraph.
 * 17) **Addressed
 * 18) * "Another important thing at that time was Yoda's safety. Therefore, he warned him of the battle droids that were looking for him." Also, poor phrasing here.
 * 19) **Addressed
 * 20) * There are several spelling and grammatical errors. I apologize for not fixing this myself, but I think it'd be good for you to do this. (Also, after cleaning some stuff up, Wikia locked the site, erasing my edit).
 * 21) **I corrected every error I could find.
 * 22) * Also, should the play be italicized? Check the book.
 * 23) **Addressed (Yes, it is italicized.)
 * 24) *A good copyedit would go a long way towards making this article better. Concentrate on cleaning up the prose throughout the article; there are many instances where things read poorly and that drags the article down. I may have some poor stuff later; deal with this for now and we'll see how that goes. And don't get worried if this seems like a lot. It's not as bad as you may think.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:37, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 25) **I have cleaned up every poor sentence/wording I could see. If you still see something - which may be the case as wording is not one of my strengths - please advise. Thank you for the review.  Pranay Sobusk  ~  Talk  20:14, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 26) * "a little peeved" Too colloquial.
 * 27) **Addressed
 * 28) * "Restricted by his height, he often had to portray characters that he found strange." It seems like there could be a better adjective than strange here.
 * 29) **Addressed
 * 30) * "In 20 BBY Chuff portrayed Yoda as he was going to a mission to Ithor in order to keep the galaxy believing Yoda found himself in Ithor." Not worded well.
 * 31) **Addressed
 * 32) * "Full of shaky courage, he went ahead to cut the support legs off the Last Call. Already imagining his own death, the courage went away until Yoda arrived to save him from the suction." Again, this is a little confusing, and needs better wording.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 13:02, 7 December
 * 1) **Addressed. Thank you for looking again.  Pranay Sobusk  ~  Talk  13:57, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) *"Palleus Chuff was a person who frequently attended role-playing games in his childhood" This should be rephrased to flow better.
 * 3) *You're getting there, but there's still more work to be done. I suggest you go through, read this and do your best work at cleaning up grammar and improving sentence phrasing. A good cleanup would go a long way. Keep up the diligent work!  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 23:18, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Farlstendoiro: Greetings, my first time objecting. Small thing.
 * 5) *In the intro, the following string of characters appears twice: her ship, the Last Call. I think it could be reworded, and the second time it should not be a hyperlink. IMHO, and I am open to discussion if needed.--Skippy Farlstendoiro 12:21, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) **Reworded. Thank you for the review.  Pranay Sobusk  ~  Talk  12:02, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) * According to Sourcing articles with only one source or appearance should not be referenced. You may therefore want to remove all the referencing tags --Jinzler 21:23, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) **Actually, You are right, but it is still ok to use references in single-source articles. For example, the administrator Toprawa and Ralltiir uses them, and I also like to use them.  Pranay Sobusk  ~  Talk  14:36, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) ***Fair enough, it's up to you really. I'll strike my objection --Jinzler 20:01, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * Pranay Sobusk: I saw you have fixed my objections. I plan on looking through the article within the next two days, and striking my objections. I apologize for the delay.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:15, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem.  Pranay Sobusk  ~  Talk  20:41, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Rianna Saren

 * Nominated by: QuiGonJinn The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|20px]] 20:18, 12 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: My first GA nom. Hope it's not so bad :)

(0 AC/3 users/3 total)
Support Object Good work.  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 01:47, 15 November 2008 (UTC) Comments
 * 1) For one's first GA nom, a very good job, QuiGon.  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 02:09, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 2)  Pranay Sobusk  ~  Talk  15:14, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Well done. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 05:06, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Pranay Sobusk
 * 2) * Mention Zarien Kheev in the intro
 * 3) **Mentioned QuiGonJinn The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|20px]] 21:31, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) * Change the fighting moves section into a Power and Abilities section with some context on her fighting moves
 * 5) **That will be hard to do. I've only played the Nintendo DS version and there are no such moves like Hammer of Ryloth and Winds of Mustafar. They appear only in PSP version. I'd appreciate if someone who played the game on PSP added it. However, I've added as much context as I could. QuiGonJinn The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|20px]] 13:36, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) * Change your weapons section into an Equipment section, also with some more context
 * 7) **Done with the weapons. QuiGonJinn The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|20px]] 21:31, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) ***Not bad, but I would prefer to see text instead of your list within the section. Replace this list with text, and you definitively have my vote.  Pranay Sobusk  ~  Talk  09:43, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) ****Addressed. QuiGonJinn The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|20px]] 14:41, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) * Is that Star Wars Lethal Alliance Homepage really official? Because I have never heard of it, and it is not in the Reliable sources list
 * 11) **It is official. On the Ubisoft site there is a link that proves it. QuiGonJinn The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|20px]] 21:31, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) * How are all these external links useful? Some of them are not even describing Rianna.  Pranay Sobusk  ~  Talk  17:51, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) **Removed all useless links. Changed one of them. QuiGonJinn The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|20px]] 21:31, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) IFYLOFD:
 * 15) * Give context for Kyle Katarn and Darth Vader in the intro, and in the main body of the article.
 * 16) **Done, I think... QuiGonJinn The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|20px]] 20:09, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 17) * Get rid of the speculation in the BtS.
 * 18) **Done. QuiGonJinn The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|20px]] 17:44, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 19) * Give some mention of Kheev being employed by the Empire.
 * 20) **Mentioned. QuiGonJinn The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|20px]] 20:09, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 21) * Give context to Leia.
 * 22) * Give context to Boba Fett.
 * 23) **Added some info on both Leia and Fett. I tried to describe who they are in a few words, so not to spoil the whole flow of the article. QuiGonJinn The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|20px]] 20:09, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 24) * Give context to the Death Star.
 * 25) **Done. QuiGonJinn The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|20px]] 20:09, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 26) * The P&T could probably be expanded, but at least try and make it flow better.
 * 27) **Reworded P&T. QuiGonJinn The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|20px]] 20:33, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 28) * Where is the source for her being voiced by Julianne Buescher?
 * 29) **Sourced. Note: Julianne's official site claims that she voiced "Rianna" in Battlefront, but since there is no such character in BF, it must be a mistake. The article on MobyGames as well as on some other video game related sites have her credited in Lethal Alliance. QuiGonJinn The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|20px]] 17:44, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) A pretty good effort, Qui-Gon. Some minor sentence structure and tense errors (I fixed the ones I found), but otherwise broad in coverage and well sourced. Just one thing. For the intro quote, have you forgotten an apostrophe in “yours”? Or was an error in the source?  SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 09:41, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) *Hmm, I'm not that good in English, but according to this site, "yours" (without an apostrophe) is the only correct spelling. It was spelled such in the game anyway. QuiGonJinn Always remember, your focus determines your reality.[[Image:Qui-Gon negtc.jpg|20px]] 13:13, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) **Apologies. I stand corrected. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 05:06, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Peragus II

 * Nominated by: -- Darth tom (talk)  13:00, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: I feel it meets the requirements.

(0 AC/6 users/6 total)
Support
 * 1) SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 08:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 12:10, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Good work.  QuiGonJinn The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|20px]] 14:11, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 17:55, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 5)  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 03:58, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Qui-Gon Reborn ( The ability to speak doesn't make you intelligent. )

Object Comments
 * 1) Grand Moff Tranner:
 * 2) * Some sentences and parts of sentences are not referenced.
 * 3) * Perhaps a picture of the mining facility, and maybe even one of the asteroid field exploding during the Ebon Hawk's escape. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 15:35, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) **I added an image, of the Ebon Hawk during it's escape. I'll address the sourcing soon. -- Darth tom (talk)  15:53, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) From Jedimca0
 * 6) * The last paragraph of the "Skirmish at Peragus II" section needs to be referenced as well. --Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 18:09, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) SoresuMakashi
 * 8) * Another quote maybe?
 * 9) * Expand on the Peragus Mining Facility's destruction in the intro. Why was it destroyed? SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 05:19, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) **Added to the introduction, as requested. I did add a quote, however very few quotes refer to the Mining Facility, and even fewer to the planet itself, so this was a general quote from Kreia upon the Station.. -- Darth tom (talk)  17:42, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) ***I thought there were a few Atton quotes lying around, especially in the scene where he first meets the Exile in the detention block. Maybe I'm just mistaken. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 08:47, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) Toprawa:
 * 13) * The article should conform to the Layout Guide's style for planet articles, including all relevant sections. Please add the appropriate sections and information to the article. You may use any of our current planet FAs/GAs as models. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:58, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) **I added a 'Description' and 'Locations' section, as per the Layout guide, however as Peragus is somewhat lacking in inhabitants, I didn't include that one. -- Darth tom [[Image:Imperial Emblem.svg|20px]] (Imperial Intelligence)  14:29, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) *This needs some kind of greater context. What asteroid field? Was the asteroid field created as a result of its destruction? Also, a stray blast from what? From Sion? Don't assume the reader knows anything: "a stray blast in the field detonating the asteroid field"
 * 16) **I'm still confused about the asteroid field. What asteroid field? The nearby Peragus asteroid field? Why not specify, if so? Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:25, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'm confused. The infobox claims Peragus II is uninhabitable, but you say there is the mining facility on the planet, home to miners. How are they then surviving on the planet? Something should be explained in the Description section explaining the world is uninhabitable - perhaps adding onto what you have written to say, "...ravaged the world uninhabitable"? The next objection may tie into this one.
 * 1) *Going along with that, you say the mining facility is located on the exterior of the world. What does that mean, exactly? Is the facility raised high up in the atmosphere? Is it in orbit? Please explain this: "on the exterior of the planet."
 * 2) *This information in the Description section should instead be worked into the Locations section. It seems like you can also glean an Inhabitants section out of this to explain that, as I'm inferring from this, that there are no inhabitants, only Human miners: "with Peragus II also being devoid of any sort of Human settlements other than the Peragus Mining Facility"
 * 3) * Your referencing needs some serious work. There's no need to specify conversations between people and the like. Just list the source.
 * 4) *Please handle these objections to the first section, and I will continue my review. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:16, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) **Addressed. -- Darth tom [[Image:Imperial Emblem.svg|20px]] (Imperial Intelligence)  18:32, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) NaruHina!
 * 7) * "The only inhabitants of the planet Peragus II resided in the residential Peragus Mining Facility, with the inhabitants of the Facility being composed of many species, mostly humans such as the Medical, Dock, Maintenance security and Administration Officers, although there were some other species residing in the Facility, such as Sullustans." Rephrase
 * 8) **Done. -- Darth tom [[Image:Imperial Emblem.svg|20px]] (Imperial Intelligence)  11:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) *** "The inhabitants of the Mining Facility were all killed after HK-50 triggered the emergency lockdown or by the rampant mining droids." Huh? I'm pretty sure a hag, lady, and some other Force-sensitive guy escaped. The Force-sensitive guy was at least a resident. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 13:57, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) ****Sorted. -- Darth tom [[Image:Imperial Emblem.svg|20px]] (Imperial Intelligence)  11:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) * "The planet Peragus II is often confused with the Peragus Mining Facility. To add to the confusion, the developers of Knights of the Old Republic II labeled quests received in the facility with "Peragus II"." I'm sorry, what? there is no context for this confusion and how can they be confused if it is the only thing within hundreds of miles. I'm feeling very confused about this confusion.
 * 12) **Done. -- Darth tom [[Image:Imperial Emblem.svg|20px]] (Imperial Intelligence)  11:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) ***Not done. How are they confused? NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 13:57, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) ****I spoke to Sikon, who told me he had no source for this. So I removed it. -- Darth tom [[Image:Imperial Emblem.svg|20px]] (Imperial Intelligence)  11:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) *****I suppose Lucy is always right. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 06:50, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 16) * "The sole point of interest on Peragus II was the Peragus Mining Facility" This is untrue according to the infobox which states one can look at the wonderous beauty of the asteroid field.
 * 17) **Done. -- Darth tom [[Image:Imperial Emblem.svg|20px]] (Imperial Intelligence)  11:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 18) ***In the Location section, there is no main article stub for the asteroid field. And what drift charts? Provide context. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 13:57, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 19) ****By 'stub' do you mean sub header? -- Darth tom [[Image:Imperial Emblem.svg|20px]] (Imperial Intelligence)  11:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 20) *****I meant that "Main Article: Peragus Asteroid Field" Should be there before you start talking about it. But good idea. Both sections need subheaders. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 06:50, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 21) *I'm not getting why, if the point of the article is to be about the planet that the Skirmish is so widely mentioned, it makes it appear that that occured on the planet when it occured on an asteroid in the asteroid field. It doesn't really have to do with it, other than it blew up the planet which should obviously be mentioned.
 * 22) **I'm sorry? Please elaborate. -- Darth tom [[Image:Imperial Emblem.svg|20px]] (Imperial Intelligence)  11:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 23) ***The skirmish is a very large part of the article. The way it is written makes it seem like it is on planet, when it is not. It was in the asteroid field. It needs to be trimmed down a bit. Should be mentioned, just not be half the article. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 13:27, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 24) * The Jedi Exile is not linked to in the body.
 * 25) **Fixed. -- Darth tom [[Image:Imperial Emblem.svg|20px]] (Imperial Intelligence)  11:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 26) * The Bts is also not sourced at all.
 * 27) **Fixed. -- Darth tom [[Image:Imperial Emblem.svg|20px]] (Imperial Intelligence)  11:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 28) ***Not fixed. You must source the confusion. You sourced the name of the missions not that people got the station and asteroid confused. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 13:57, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 29) ****Now fixed. -- Darth tom [[Image:Imperial Emblem.svg|20px]] <span title="(Imperial Intelligence)" style="color:Black">(Imperial Intelligence)  11:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 30) *****Fixed like Bob Barker's (Whose birthday is today) dog's newborn baby. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 06:50, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 31) *"In approximately 4,000 BBY" Got a source for that? NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 13:57, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 32) **Yep. -- Darth tom [[Image:Imperial Emblem.svg|20px]] <span title="(Imperial Intelligence)" style="color:Black">(Imperial Intelligence)  11:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 33) ***Where in kotor2's plot holes does kotor2 specify 4000 BBY? NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 07:00, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 34) * "oil was found on the planet," No it wasn't it was referred to as feul. It was not specified as oil. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 13:57, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 35) **Fixed. -- Darth tom [[Image:Imperial Emblem.svg|20px]] <span title="(Imperial Intelligence)" style="color:Black">(Imperial Intelligence)  11:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC) Fix the infobox sourcing.  NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 07:00, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 36) *When is Pearagus specified as being in the Kwymar sector in KotOR2? NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 07:00, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 37) *Confucious say, "Have nice day" NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 14:47, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 38) **Fixed those, although one requires elaboration on your part, please. -- Darth tom [[Image:Imperial Emblem.svg|20px]] <span title="(Imperial Intelligence)" style="color:Black">(Imperial Intelligence)  16:06, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 39) ***Addressed once more. -- Darth tom [[Image:Imperial Emblem.svg|20px]] <span title="(Imperial Intelligence)" style="color:Black">(Imperial Intelligence)  11:55, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

Darth Malak

 * Nominated by: Jedi Kasra (talk) 21:18, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Drewton and I have worked on this article for a while, and I believe it's ready to be considered a good article.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 21:22, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

(0 ACs/0 Users/0 Total)
Support
 * 1) Thats all I can see that other people haven't objected to. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 23:48, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Object NaruHina Talk  00:20, 21 November 2008 (UTC)  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 01:50, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) From the pages of NaruHina's Death Note
 * 2) *It seems OK but:
 * 3) * The him being in the Old Republic Era in the Infobox is not sourced
 * 4) * The language base in the Bts is unsourced
 * 5) **"While such a name might seem incongruous with Darth Malak's role as Sith Lord, he could be seen as a fallen angel due to his Jedi beginnings." I think this should be sourced as another opinion may be that he sees himelf as a divine messenger or something. There are many ways that "angel" and "messenger to God" can go.
 * 6) **Actually got rid of that, it just states what the actual name means in Hebrew and Arabic, have sources.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 18:35, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) * There is a Fact tag in the Bts.
 * 8) **Fixed.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 17:15, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) * One last thing, the succession box is not sourced. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 05:07, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) *Took care of it, sourced now.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 16:03, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Quotes in prose, speculation rampant in BtS, bullets in BtS, tiny paragraphs. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 13:19, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) There's quotes in the middle of sections, that's against MoS, the double and triple refs aren't needed, some sections are just way too short, mainly article prose problems. It would also be good idea to copyedit the article, there are numerous grammatical errors. Watch for POV in the article, the intro, P&T, and P&A have loads of it in their respective sections. Also, the BtS, needs to be rid of speculation, bullets , then expanded with stuff that can be sourced, IE: interviews, actions figures, etc. DC 01:30, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) It's IFYLOFD!:
 * 4) *More info on the "devices" in the intro.
 * 5) **Adressed. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 13:36, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) *Is there an article on Darth Revan's flagship? If so, add a link to it in the intro.
 * 7) **Fixed, also linked in the body. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 00:53, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) *"The Sith Lord corrupted Shan, who he had once considered a threat, and made her his apprentice, replacing the slain Darth Bandon, whom Revan had killed." Reword and/or split up this sentence.
 * 9) **Adressed. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 13:34, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) *Context needed on Deesra Luur Jada and Lucien Draay.
 * 11) **Done. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 14:09, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) *More info on the "discovery" made by Adasca.
 * 13) *Fixed.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 18:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) *Context for Krynda Draay and Xamar.
 * 15) *I think it's fixed, check it out.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 15:22, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 16) *Unsourced statements in BtS.
 * 17) *Fixed, I believe.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 18:45, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

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 * Took care of the quotes in the middle of sections, took out the bullets in BTS, him being part of the OR era is already sourced, will work on sourcing the language bases.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 20:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

Third Battle of Coruscant (Galactic Civil War)

 * Nominated by: -- Darth tom <span title="(talk)" style="color:black">(talk)  21:55, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: I referenced it after a discussion with Jedimca0 and, although short, I feel it's good to go.

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Object  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 01:59, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) From the Moffship of Grand Moff Tranner:
 * 2) * Context on Thrawn, Drayson, Bel Iblis, and Mothma. Also some on the Battle of Bilbringi and the crystal gravfield trap.
 * 3) * You have Rieekan, Pellaeon, Home Guard Fleet, DP-20 gunships, X-wings, B-wings, v-150 ion cannons, Steadfast, Chimaera, and Death's Head all listed in the infobox - but they are absent from the body of the article.
 * 4) * After Molo Himron and his team sent into the Imperial Palace on Coruscant to capture the Solo twins and incriminate Mara Jade failed to capture the twins - pretty confusing as is. Should probably be broken into two sentences or reworded.
 * 5) *Also, which Steadfast are you referring to? Currently, what you're linking to is a disambig page. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 15:19, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) **First one's sorted. What do you mean by the second? -- Darth tom <span title="(talk)" style="color:black">(talk)  08:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) ***Fixed. -- Darth tom [[Image:Imperial Emblem.svg|20px]] <span title="(Imperial Intelligence)" style="color:Black">(Imperial Intelligence)  15:49, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) Lacking prelude section and significant amount of detail. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 10:55, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) There are seven sources, yet you only use one, and I know some of these sources hold new info. Expand on those, and add a prelude section. DC 01:46, 24 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) SoresuMakashi
 * 11) *Quotes?
 * 12) *How did C'boath take control of the Chimaera's crew? Through physical force? Also change C'boath's taking control to something else.
 * 13) *Multiple sentences could use some rephrasing. I've fixed up a few in the prelude, but the rest is up to you.
 * 14) *One or two redunudant sentences and uses of the same word twice close to each other. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 09:44, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) Floyd is in the house:
 * 16) *Context needed on Jorus C'Baoth, the Solo twins, Molo Himron, Dorja, and Rieekan.
 * 17) *Split some paragraphs up in The battle section.
 * 1) From the Desk of Atarumaster88
 * 2) *Intro is unclear and could be expanded easily.
 * 3) *Per DC on needing to use more sources.
 * 4) *Horrible lack of linking in prelude. Please address.
 * 5) *"Despite C'baoth's belief that the Grand Admiral wouldn't do as he had commanded, and the fact that C'baoth took control of the Chimaera and its crew, Thrawn agreed to prepare the attack on Coruscant, after replacing the crew on the Chimaera injured by C'baoth's taking control with a five hundred man caretaker crew from Captain Dorja." Massive run-on, and very unclear to boot.
 * 6) *Contextify Draklor, Death's Head, etc. A simple class name or whatever will suffice.
 * 7) *What is a Katana Dreadnaught? Is that a proper canonical term?
 * 8) *"were thoroughly outmatched by Grand Admiral Thrawn's tactical skill" POV here.
 * 9) *Per Floyd on both objections.
 * 10) *I don't think The Last Command ever says that the CGT array was captured, and Karrde gave them the information that the asteroids were all destroyed. Please correct.
 * 11) *The Aftermath section should have some more information from the Imperial point of view.
 * 12) *The casualties section is incorrect. Evanrue was destroyed, and Imperial forces did lose some fighters and such IIRC. Whatever the case, that should be more thoroughly spelled out.
 * 13) *Ground-based weaponry (in particularly, an ion cannon is mentioned) should be included in the New Republic strength figures.
 * 14) *Nice to see you trying to broaden your horizons with some Wookieepedia GAs, but this will take some work. As always, though, have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 05:21, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

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Spelunker probe droid

 * Nominated by: &mdash;Darthtyler (Talk) 04:18, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: I tried my best...

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 * 1) -  Cavalier One [[Image:FarStar Logo.jpg|20px]]( Squadron channel ) 08:46, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 2)  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 00:53, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 08:02, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Object  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 18:54, 27 November 2008 (UTC) Comments
 * From the squadron briefing of Cavalier One:
 * 1) * In the Description section, some details on the droids specifications before its conversion to a battle droid is needed.
 * 2) **What do you mean?&mdash;Darthtyler (Talk) 20:37, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) ***Basically, since the droid was converted from a mining droid, it should be noted what systems the droid had before its conversion (if known). - Cavalier One [[Image:FarStar Logo.jpg|20px]]( Squadron channel ) 10:34, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) ****There. I split the section and added some content.&mdash;Darthtyler (Talk) 19:00, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) * In Description: This enabled the droid to become transparent to observers. However, in the intro, you state: Thus, the droid did not actually make itself transparent, but made itself invisible. Which is it?
 * 6) **I changed both to "camouflaged." It makes sense now, thanks for catching that.&mdash;Darthtyler (Talk) 20:37, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) * Under Clone Wars: During the battle, three of the chameleon droids used their cloaking device, presumably to hide from clone  troopers or Republic vehicles. "Presumably" is speculative; please reword or remove.
 * 8) **Deleted the last part of that sentence.&mdash;Darthtyler (Talk) 20:37, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) * Context is needed on who Padmé Amidala, Gregar Typho, Yoda, C-3PO, and R2-D2 are. Also, any information on why they arrived for a rescue mission? Did they receive a distress signal, Force sense, etc?
 * 10) **Gave background on Yoda sensing the call for help and on all characters.&mdash;Darthtyler (Talk) 20:37, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) * These units were presumably de-activated after the execution of the Separatist Council by Darth Sidious's new apprentice, Darth Vader. Again, speculative. Were they or were they not deactivated? -  Cavalier One [[Image:FarStar Logo.jpg|20px]]( Squadron channel ) 10:58, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) **Deleted "presumably" because all of the droids were deactivated following the control signal.&mdash;Darthtyler (Talk) 20:37, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) SoresuMakashi
 * 14) *I made a quite a few changes to make the article flow better.
 * 15) **Thank you.&mdash;Darthtyler (Talk) 22:20, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 16) * The fact that they were refitted exploration droids needs to be said in the intro. I suggest something like Originally mining exploration droids, they were outfitted with weaponry for military service between senteces 2 and 3.
 * 17) **Done.&mdash;Darthtyler (Talk) 22:20, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 18) * You need to explain the origin of the name of the droid (Spelunker) and what it means.
 * 19) **Done.&mdash;Darthtyler (Talk) 22:20, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 20) IFYLOFD:
 * 21) * Lots of short, choppy sentences that mess up the flow. Combine some together.
 * 22) **I believe Soresumakashi fixed that.&mdash;Darthtyler (Talk) 22:20, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 23) ***I just went through and fixed a few more. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 05:41, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 24) * What do you mean by "pure" cloaking device?</S>
 * 25) **Explained.&mdash;Darthtyler (Talk) 22:20, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 26) * "The Commerce Guild owned mining spots on several planets." Such as?
 * 27) **No available information, the databank and the New Essential Guide to Droids don't give any examples, and no other source gives any, either.&mdash;Darthtyler (Talk) 22:20, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Taking a second read through, there is 1 sentence I'm concerned about. Worried about Yoda's delayed return, Amidala destroyed several more droids with a blaster, along with her two droids, C-3PO and R2-D2. I suggest you reword this, because it sounds to me like 3PO and R2 were one of the droids she destroyed. You also use droid twice.  SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 05:41, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) *Fixed.&mdash;Darthtyler (Talk) 18:57, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Since the combat version is radically different from the basic mining version, should we have articles for each different version? - Cavalier One [[Image:FarStar Logo.jpg|20px]]( Squadron channel ) 10:58, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know, since they were the same model.&mdash;Darthtyler (Talk) 20:37, 25 November 2008 (UTC)
 * While being the same model, they have different roles and specifications. Two articles may be warranted. What does anyone else think? - Cavalier One [[Image:FarStar Logo.jpg|20px]]( Squadron channel ) 10:34, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I actually originally thought it was an article on only the combat version, and it was merely providing some background info on the origins of the droid. It was only until about halfway through the body that I realised it covered both sunbjects. That kinda wierded me out. I'm trying to think of an example article and see what that one has done, but I can't think of one. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 10:39, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * That being said, I am marginally in favor of a split. It wasn't just some slapped together improvement like an extra sensor or something. This was a complete remodel and conversion, with entirely different roles from its predecessor. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 10:48, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Didina Lippinoss

 * Nominated by: Darth Culator  (Talk) 01:47, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Combine one part incredible boredom with two parts aversion to working on more important projects, and this is what you get. Consider it a supplementary article to Acky's upcoming Crev Bombaasa nom, full of wholesome Star Wars Galaxies deliciousness. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 01:47, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

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 * 1) SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 23:54, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 2)  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 23:46, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 3)  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  13:22, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

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 * 1) Expand the intro. --Eyrezer 02:08, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) *Ugh. I don't think the length of the article really demands much more intro, given the redundancy it would cause. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 02:14, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) **Right, that should be more than enough. Good thing there's no redlink requirement because I'm not going off on a Karrek Flim tangent. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 02:22, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

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 * I find myself wishing we had forum-style emoticons so I could do an eye-roll at my comment above. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 01:47, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Bang, no redlinks. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 01:26, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Gjon

 * Nominated by:  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 15:28, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: After trying desperately to get it to 1000 words, I got stuck at 957, so I'm putting it through this process in hopes that it'll get expanded when people point out things I'm missing.

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 * 1) Nice job. Hope I got you to 1000 words. Toprawa and Ralltiir 15:40, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 04:39, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 3)  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 19:54, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) --Eyrezer 03:44, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Toprawa:
 * 2) * How is Fett riding up through the atmosphere here? "However, Fett discovered that his ship was missing and, with the help of Aia, was able to ride the winds up through Bogg 4's atmosphere and into Bogg 11's exosphere as the moon's atmospheres briefly crossed."
 * 3) **This part is confusing in the book, and not very well-explained. Aia can fly, sort of, (more like gliding upwards) up through one moon's atmosphere and then can cross over to another moon when the atmospheres overlap. The overlapping atmospheres do funky things to the gravity, making some patches in the air with essentially no gravity. It's called riding the vectors by Aia. He simply holds Fett when they go after Gjon using this method. I'm not quite sure how to explain this, but I'll do my best.
 * 4) * How, exactly, did they lose the credits when the ship accelerated? Did they flight out the hatch? "While the three had avoided death, they had lost almost all the credits they had stolen when the Slave I accelerated."
 * 5) **Added.
 * 6) * This kind of smells like a combination of OR/POV. Can you elaborate on this at all? "as he did have a sense of honor, though it was quite different from what many considered honor"
 * 7) **I reworded this, and I think it's better now.
 * 8) * Nothing touches on this in the biography. Please elaborate: " he gave the ambitious young Human advice when the two parted ways." Toprawa and Ralltiir 02:34, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) **Added that info. Thanks Toprawa.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 12:08, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) Forgive me if I'm wrong but I vaguely seem to remember Gjon stealing something of Fett's as they departed. That's why he insisted on giving Fett the remaining 100 creds and told him not to be too trusting (of Gjon). I think Fett discovered his treachery in a later installment in the series when he had to pay for food or docking fees. He was missing credits or something (got kinda pissed off too). If this is the case, you will have to change the biography and the last part of the P&T. And for the record, I bet I'm younger than you (can tell by the pic on your page).  SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 00:46, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) *It was Aia, not Gjon. The word "money" in the quote is supposed to be spelled with two "m's", BTW. And I'm 16, so it looks you like you are younger than me. Although I don't have a picture on my page, so you must have been looking at Toprawa's. :)  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 13:39, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) **Whoops, that was Jorrel's image. Got mixed up. Why double m in money? Was he stuttering? SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 05:21, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) ***Just the way he talks.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 22:22, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) ****Thanks for the explantion. I'm almost certain, though, that sometime in the future, a random anon will think it's a mistake and change it back to 1 m. :) SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 04:39, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) *****We'll keep an eye on it. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:06, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 16) The Floydmeister:
 * 17) * "Fett accelerated the Slave I, throwing the security officer off-balance, allowing Gjon and Aia to push him out the ship's open hatch, although the money they had stolen flew out during the scuffle." I don't like this sentence. Split it up and/or reword it.
 * 18) **Changed the wording. Hope it's better now.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:48, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 19) *And...that's it. Good job.  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 22:48, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

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 * Toprawa: You did. Thanks pal.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 15:51, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Valin Draco

 * Nominated by:Jinzler 21:52, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Inquisitors are generally quite angry and violent

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 * 1) SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 05:05, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2)  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 21:18, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Object  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 01:17, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) * He urged the team to surrender, but they refused, which began a fight between them, Muun and Draco's team of Clone shadow troopers. When did shadowtroopers come into all this? Were they with Draco all along?
 * 2) **They were there all along. I have clarified this --Jinzler 21:29, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) * Just remember in future that all referencing occurs directly after punctuation (that includes commas), not before it. I fixed all of them in this article, so no need to worry. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 10:44, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) **Thank you --Jinzler 21:29, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) IFYLOFD:
 * 6) * You could probably elaborate more on the "experiences" that made him turn to the dark side in the intro.
 * 7) **Fixed --Jinzler 19:43, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) * "Draco ensured that they were easily able to do so." How so?
 * 9) **The Traitor's Gambit was pretty vague on this, but after much searching, I was able to discern how --Jinzler 20:35, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) * Context on Darth Rivan please.
 * 11) **Added --Jinzler 19:43, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) * Do we have info on what Draco learned from the holocron in the bio? Any more info on the holocron?
 * 13) **Added more info --Jinzler 20:35, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) * Quotes for P&T or The capture of Denia sections?
 * 15) **Added these --Jinzler 20:35, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

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 * Your nomination comment makes me quite angry and makes me want to commit acts of violence against you. --  Darth Culator  (Talk) 16:56, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

Teckla Minnau

 * Nominated by: Thefourdotelipsis 06:43, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: This is WTS.

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 * 1) Another good WTS nom for Mr. Four Dot.  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 23:07, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Kinda low quality image, but acceptable. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 05:13, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

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 * Would it be possible to get that redlink filled in?  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 02:28, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Maxiron Agolerga

 * Nominated by: Thefourdotelipsis 07:24, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Pontifical!

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 * 1)  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 23:02, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 09:14, 1 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 3)  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  02:14, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Reference four should be to the novel, not the film, should it not?  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  13:31, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) *Gah. Fixed. Thefourdotelipsis 06:37, 21 December 2008 (UTC)

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Livette

 * Nominated by: Drgns007 20:57, 30 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: I think it's time to to nominated Livette again.

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Object Comments
 * 1) Needs a "Behind the scenes" section. Expect a more thorough review from me soon. And I'm going to be blunt: I think this will need a fair amount of work before it's ready.  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  19:48, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) From the Moffship of Grand Moff Tranner:
 * 3) * Is she affiliated with the Remnant or not? If this is uncertain, I suggest that you simply remove the Remnant from the infobox and stick to what you know for sure.
 * 4) *Too many one or two-sentence paragraphs. Either combine them with other small paragraphs, or add to them.
 * 5) * You should probably remove the "Second Galactic Civil War" header - it's really not needed since there are no other subsections.
 * 6) * Context on Her Majesty's Commandos, Requud, Veila, Ben Skywalker, and Tenel Ka.
 * 7) *No mention of the battle, or Luke Skywalker, or Darth Caedus, or the fleet of Alliance warships, or anything else important?
 * 8) * What are "the usual Hapan vanities" mentioned in the intro?
 * 9) *Speaking of the intro, it should probably be expanded, along with the rest of the article. And don't forget a BTS.
 * 10) *Right now, the article is a grammatical mess. I suggest you take the time to go through each paragraph and fix any grammatical errors.
 * 11) *I'll see if I have any more objections once you take care of these. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 23:58, 2 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) Pranay Sobusk
 * 13) *Please rewrite the intro. An introduction shall give the reader a short summary of the article. Start for example like this: Livette was a female Hapan coming from the planet Hapes and continue with a short summary of her life.
 * 14) *In the bio, what did she do before 40 ABY?
 * 15) *The style of this article is not really good. I'd suggest you to write the biography and P&T in each case in one single paragraph.
 * 16) *Do not write short forms like don't, didn't and so on, because they are not encyclopedia (except in quotes). I corrected it myself, but I just wanted to let you know, so that you do not make the same mistake in the future.  Pranay Sobusk  ~  Talk  15:02, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) How do I add a BTS for a character who's only appear in one book? Drgns007 16:34, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) *For example like this.  Pranay Sobusk  ~  Talk  16:51, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) **Thanks. But what does context mean?  Cuz I'm a little fuzzy on that.  Drgns007 18:10, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) ***Context is a little bit of info on someone or something. That way, people don't have to go to another article to know about something. For example, for Ben Skywalker, you can have "Ben Skywalker, the son of Luke Skywalker,..." or something like that. It can be annoying to do - believe me, it was for my first Featured Article nomination. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 18:25, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) ****Thanks for that. How does it look now?  Drgns007 18:50, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) *****You can't reference something by putting a link to another article. You'll have to find the exact source for that statement; isn't good enough. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 18:52, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) ******And besides, you can't have references in the intro. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 18:53, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) *******I just fix that. What else is there to do with it.  Drgns007 19:08, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

Sneevel

 * Nominated by: --Skippy Farlstendoiro 07:27, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: I hereby humbly request to be accepted as a participant of WookieeProject: Aliens.

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 * 1) --Eyrezer 18:54, 9 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 01:44, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 3)  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 16:13, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Now do Sneeve. :) Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:20, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Object  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 01:25, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Put BtS into prose. Also, whats is a mali?  SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 10:51, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) *Thank you for your help. Changed "mali" to "maluses" (Dex +6, Int -2, Wis -2)--Skippy Farlstendoiro 11:25, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) It looks good. Just a couple of things. Could you expand a bit more on Boles Roor in the Sneevels in the galaxy section? Also, with the Bts, it would be good to begin it with a sentence stating where the Sneevels first appeared, where they were first named, and where their backstory was first expanded. Finally, looking at Boles' entry, do Sneevels get mentioned in Secrets of Tatooine? --Eyrezer 00:39, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) *Tried to correct it. Have a look now.--Skippy Farlstendoiro 16:35, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Toprawa:
 * 6) * The first appearance is probably the Episode I novel, perhaps even with new information. Please check. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:05, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) **"(...) One by one, Jabba recognized the Podracer pilots. Gasgano. Boles Roor. Ben Quadinaros. (...)". Add to the appearances, check; mention in BtS, check; thank Toprawa, check. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 18:27, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) * It looks like you've done a very nice job on these two articles. I look forward to reviewing them, but I would first like to make sure you have all appearances and sources included. Please click the "What links here" link on the sidebar to see what other sources you may be missing. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:59, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) **Done and checked last week, but I forgot to tell you here.--Skippy Farlstendoiro 07:41, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) * Please also make sure to order the Source list by correct OOU publication date. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:47, 5 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) **Ditto.--Skippy Farlstendoiro 07:41, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) * Good job. If Roor is only mentioned in the novel, that wouldn't be his first appearance. It would need to be whatever item a member of the species actually does visually appear or is active in the story. I'm guessing it's the comic without looking into it. Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:54, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) **Have a look now. If you don't mind, I'd rather see all the Databank entries in alphabetical order.--Skippy Farlstendoiro 21:02, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) ***Added 1stm. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 01:44, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) ****Yes, I have listed the Databank entries in alphabetical order according to the Databank page names - by last names for characters, and first word for everything else. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:13, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 16) * Does anything actually refer to Roor as being "famous"? "One famous Sneevel was the glimmik singer and podracer Boles Roor" Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:24, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * "(...) He has recruited the support of retired Podracing legend Boles Roor who appeared in a series of holographic endorsements for the Senator. Roor even came out of retirement for a series of charity races (...)". Podracing Tales features Roor's popular concert before the Boonta Eve Classic. Coruscant and the Core Worlds says that not everybody sings in the distinguished Kallarak Amphitheater, and that those who do commonly get a full house and seem to be popular not to an elite audience, but to the general public. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 21:51, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) ***Good enough for me. Sorry for going through this thing piecemeal. I hope to finish my review by this evening. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:54, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) * Excellent work. I have three concerns. First, in light of the Behind the scenes explanation of their dexterity, I think you could add something to the Biology section mentioning that they have strong dexterity, etc.
 * 3) **I'm explaining the benefits they have because of that bonus, because the RPG term does not mean exactly "Manual or manipulative skill, adroitness, neat-handedness." As Roor seems to have a very low Dexterity for a Sneevel, I say "the average Sneevel." Have a look.
 * 4) * Second, I think we can go ahead and make an editorial decision on the location of Sneeve. The Inside the Worlds map also places Endor in the Mid Rim, which is incorrect, so I think we can assert that the placement of Sneeve is incorrect in light of the more recent HoloNet information. If you want, I can help you leave an appropriate reference note explaining why we're asserting it's the Mid Rim and not the Expansion Region.
 * 5) **I tried not to take sides on that. You seem to have good ideas for that note; I'm all ears. Or, if you want, I'll try writing one.
 * 6) ***I just left a little BTS note. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:20, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) * Finally, no information from the Ultimate Alien Anthology? Toprawa and Ralltiir 02:23, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) **Sneevels are featured in the original Alien Anthology but (like Hoojibs, Lahsbees and Savrips) were not listed in the index of Ultimate Alien Anthology, and I found no reference to them anywhere else in the book. Maybe I missed some mention to the Sneevels in the entry of another species? --Skippy Farlstendoiro 13:06, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) ***You're good. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:20, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) IFYLOFD:
 * 11) * How does the opening quote relate to the article itself?
 * 12) **I chose the quote because of several reasons; although maybe not all of them can be transmitted that easily:
 * 13) ***Uttered by a Sneevel; not too many of those in the canon. No available sentence uttered by in-universe xenobiologists.
 * 14) ***Reflects their daredevil tendencies: A podracer pilot saying "Get ready to crash" suggests he is to attempt a stunt. "Maybe I'll crash; maybe you'll crash; but I'll try a driving stunt".
 * 15) ***At the same time, reflects the Sneevel tendency to work in entertainment and creative fields: It's the kind of sentence a singer says before his first song (and that's the exact context). In fact, it's the kind of sentence that a stunt driver/singer would say, and that's what Roor is, and that's what Sneevels are known for: Daredevil jobs, and artistic jobs.
 * 16) ***Reflects their lesser-than-average charisma: Roor says to other person "Get ready to crash", meaning "You will crash and be hurt, and I care little about that". A sentence like "I'm re-dedicating my first number to Ben Quadinaros" (Roor's previous sentence in the source) would simply not reflect that Sneevels do not empathize with other species.
 * 17) ***If you don't think it is representative for a Sneevel, just tell me and it will simply disappear. I think it's something like using Ebareebaveebeedee's quote here to open the Squib article (if no better quote was available), because it represent the common speech and way of looking at things of the species.--Skippy Farlstendoiro 16:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 18) * There are a lot of short, choppy sentences, especially in Biology and appearance. Try and combine or reword some.
 * 19) **I've done my best. Have a look now.
 * 20) * "Sneevels had little interest in galactic politics, but many commonly learned Galactic Basic Standard as a second language." How does learning Basic relate to galactic politics? Clarify please.
 * 21) **Reworded. By the way, if I answer all three objections at the same time, I'm supposed to sign my edit only once, true?--Skippy Farlstendoiro 16:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 22) ***Yup.  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 16:13, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Boles Roor

 * Nominated by: --Skippy Farlstendoiro 07:27, 4 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: This nomination is intended to be a companion to the previous one.

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 * 1) Good work.  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 16:14, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 06:44, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Object Good work.  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 01:31, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) IFYLOFD:
 * 2) * Intro could probably be expanded.
 * 3) **Done. Thank you for interest.--Skippy Farlstendoiro 16:12, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

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Mission to Monastery

 * Nominated by: QuiGonJinn Always remember, your focus determines your reality.[[Image:Qui-Gon negtc.jpg|20px]] 15:41, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: And now, some older stuff...

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Object
 * 1) It's time for: Going Old School With IFYLOFD:
 * 2) *Articles should be linked to once in the intro and once again when they appear first in the main body.
 * 3) **Addressed. QuiGonJinn Always remember, your focus determines your reality.[[Image:Qui-Gon negtc.jpg|20px]] 13:41, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) *In the intro: Baron Tagge? Provide context. Is it Domina Tagge?
 * 5) **Addressed. QuiGonJinn Always remember, your focus determines your reality.[[Image:Qui-Gon negtc.jpg|20px]] 13:41, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) *In the Background section: "After learning the identity of the pilot who destroyed the Death Star". Say who it is. You leave it unclear.
 * 7) **Rephrased. QuiGonJinn (Talk) 20:49, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) *In the main body: Provide context on Vader,Domina Tagge, Luke Skywalker, Jan Dodonna, Han Solo, and Leia.
 * 9) *In Mission: Provide context on Wermis, and Baron Tagge.
 * 10) *Why was Tagge their long-time enemy?
 * 11) *In Skirmish in Crystal Valley: Which Tagge does he kills? Baron or Domina?
 * 12) **Cleared that up. Also added a little more context. QuiGonJinn Always remember, your focus determines your reality.[[Image:Qui-Gon negtc.jpg|20px]] 13:41, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) *Needs a Behind the scenes section.
 * 14) * IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 01:42, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

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Labyrinth of Evil

 * Nominated by: User:Rayn3000
 * Nomination comments: I'm still updating the plot but I think this article is more than ready to become our second novel to reach GA status.

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Object
 * 1) Other than the plot summary, it's mostly just a list. The info in the "Behind the scenes" section should be greatly expanded and redistributed into "Conception," "Production," "Continuity" and "Reception" sections. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 09:21, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) * I don't quite understand your points. The page is set up alot like the Cloak of Deception page so I dont know what you want in regards to the list. It also has a good deal of more info in the BtS section than the Cloak of Deception article so I don't know what you want me to add to expand it.Rayn3000 19:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC)User:Rayn3000
 * 3) **Well, while Cloak of Deception is a GA it's an older one that's definitely substandard and will most likely be stripped of its status in the coming months. Therefore, this article shouldn't really be modeled on it, but should look something like this or this (admittedly, they're unfinished, but there aren't really any finished examples to point to). "Behind the scenes" shouldn't be a section title as the article is out-of-universe; like I said, the info there should be distributed into new sections: "conception," dealing with the idea; "production," dealing with the book's writing, changes in revisions, etc.; "continuity," dealing with any issues in continuity, what other works it references, the situation with the differences with the CW cartoon about the Battle of Coruscant, etc.; and a "reception" section dealing with how popular/liked it is, and why, yada yada yada. All of this will also need to be properly sourced and referenced. And that, I'm afraid, will require a lot of research. If you want to get this article to GA or FA quality it will require a lot of work and patience; personally, I'd recommend you start off with something easier and more straightforward, but it's your decision, obviously. Also, don't forget to sign your posts with ~ . -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 19:31, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) *Personally I think Labyrinth of Evil and Cloak of Deception are set up better than those pages but I can change it. Should I set the main characters up like they are in The Last One Standing: The Tale of Boba Fett? And clear out all of the list info ie; Characters, Locations,Miscellanea,etc.?Rayn3000 19:58, 10 December 2008 (UTC)User:Rayn3000
 * 5) **Sorry, no, keep them; on those articles they just haven't been added yet. A "main characters" section would be a good addition but I wouldn't say it's as vital as the other sections I suggested. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 20:37, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) **Well, like Acky said, Cloak of Deception is a poor article, despite the GA tag. It's not a good model for you to follow.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 20:04, 10 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) ***Considering this is not a big SW project (eg. a book series), the BtS subsections, especially reception, could be hard. While I definately believe they should be there, keep in mind that they do not need to be hugely expansive or anything like that. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 05:25, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay so for the reception section would I put stuff like "this book has an average rating of four out of five stars on amazon.com"? Also would this review be a fair source to use for the reception section?Rayn3000 20:51, 11 December 2008 (UTC)User:Rayn3000
 * 1) **Yeah, you could use that stuff.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 12:53, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Comments Vote to remove nomination (AgriCorps members only)
 * For the record, in light of this GAN, Cloak of Deception has been put up for AC review for the Dec 22 meeting, during which time its fate will be decided. Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:20, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) This is very far from GA status, and going nowhere.  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  02:17, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Vuchelle

 * Nominated by: --Eyrezer 03:34, 11 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments:

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 * 1) SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 00:36, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2)  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 02:02, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Wow, this is actually 250 words? Cull Tremayne 00:46, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) SinisterSamurai 06:33, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Mention the deaths of the two Jedi and the Judiciaries in the body. All you have at the moment is "some losses" in the intro.  SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 10:04, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) *Sure, although I'm trying to be careful just to include information appropriate to a Planet article, and keep it different from the forthcoming Battle article that depicts that same event... --Eyrezer 16:44, 13 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) **Ah. Good luck with it. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 00:36, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Toprawa:
 * 5) *Since I'm assuming no battle exists for this skirmish, I think it would be good to create a pipelinked redlink someplace for its future creation.
 * 6) **Actually it is already linked in the intro, just wasn't in the body. --Eyrezer 04:09, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) *Can we say who believed this? The Republic? The media? "The last of these fighters was believed to have been caught in Vuchelle's gravity well and burned up on re-entry."
 * 8) **A bit added
 * 9) *Why, specifically, are we guessing at this? "It is likely they are in the same system." Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:02, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

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Force Speed

 * Nominated by: Grunny 03:42, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: About time to add a Force Power to the Good articles list :)

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 * 1) Has seen a great deal of improvement over the past week. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 03:30, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Exponential improvement over last few days.  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 20:11, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Uh-oh. Not sure how this is going to work. Abilities do not have an entry in the layout guide.
 * 2) *Assuming we overcome the first step, there are some things that could be improved.
 * 3) ** Missing alot of info from KotOR. Mention possibitity of Revan/Exile using it in the BtS.
 * 4) ***There is no canon proof that says either of them knew Force speed. It is possible for any jedi to learn this so saying that they may have used it is unimportant to the article as well. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 07:27, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) ****It still needs to be noted as a possible practitioner. It's what we've always done on KoTOR related articles.
 * 6) ** Missing variations from KotORs. Knight speed and Master speed, if I recall. Might get some info from the in-game descriptions.
 * 7) ***No stats but Master and Knight might need their own articles but yes they should have blurbs in a variations section.
 * 8) ****Variations are not meant to have individual articles (see mind trick). Agree on a variats section though.
 * 9) *****I added a variations section. Grunny 05:08, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) ** Overall expansion. I'm sure we can get more on this topic. At the moment, less than half of the sources are used. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 04:17, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) ***Yeah I know it doesn't have an entry in the layout guide, but I thought that every Wookieepedia article should be able to become a good article if it has enough information so maybe we could work out a layout for abilities??
 * I'll mention the possibility of Revan/Exile using it in the BtS :).
 * As I said above it is unimportant to the article. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 07:27, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I think it is. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 07:43, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I was going to add Knight Speed and Master Speed but the power descriptions for both say that they both gain double movement speed, the only difference from burst of speed is that they boost defense and attack. So, I decided to leave it out as they seemed more like game mechanics but I'm no expert on the game so if you could help with KotOR stuff that'd be great :).
 * As for the sources, the core rulebooks basically say the same thing as all the others saying that using the Force a Jedi can increase their speed, so I found it superfluous. If anyone can help expand please do I was only trying to improve the article :-). Grunny 04:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) IFYLOFD:
 * 2) * Are you serious? The article is mostly list, that goes against the Layout Guide.
 * 3) * It's painfully short, use all the sources available, which is GAN rule 3.
 * 4) **It uses all the sources and is far longer :).Grunny 13:38, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) * Unsourced statements in BtS.
 * 6) **Sourced :).Grunny 13:38, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) * Intro sources are unnecessary.
 * 8) **Gone. Grunny 13:38, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) *This needs a lot of work to be even considered for GA.  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 05:08, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) **I tried fixing some of those things probably still not enough. Sorry, I just wanted to improve the article :S. Grunny 05:34, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) Naru's Death Note Entry
 * 12) * I don't think Revan and the Exile should be mentioned because it is unknown if they could use it. I never teach it to my Revan, I have Juhani for that.
 * 13) **I changed it to say it is possible for the player to learn the power, is that better since it doesn't associate the power with the Exile or Revan? Grunny 01:14, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) ***I think "Jedi in the player's party" may be better. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 23:43, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) *I know "Force augmented speed" is in more sources than that. More roleplaying books and EU books in general.
 * 16) ** Say that Force Speed is also sometimes called "Force augmented speed" in the intro. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 07:28, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 17) ***How's that? :) Grunny 08:19, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 18) * Its appearance in the EU before it appeared in TPM is not notable.
 * 19) **It's gone :). Grunny 01:14, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 20) * The whole thing is an amalgum of blurbs.
 * 21) **Hopefully addressed. Grunny 13:38, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 22) * This article is not broad in coverage.
 * 23) **It could probably be a bit more broad but I think its good for a GA.
 * 24) * NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 07:33, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 25) **I fixed it just missing a quotation mark :). Grunny 08:19, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 26) * It barely even mentions what it actually does and it does not say anything that this can also mean that they use the Force to speed their muscles up, not just slow everything down, or that both methods can be used.
 * 27) *It would be a good idea to start from scratch NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 07:38, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 28) **I've started rewriting it, at least we can improve the article. Grunny 09:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 29) SoresuMakashi (again)
 * 30) * Hmmm... I'm surprised I didn't notice this stuff earlier. Please note that all referencing occurs after punctaution, not before it.
 * 31) **I've moved them to after punctuation. Grunny 12:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 32) * You use him a few times in the first paragraph of the Applications section. Avoid using specific genders.
 * 33) **Done :).Grunny 12:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 34) * Some more images. I'm thinking maybe one from TPM and one from the Jedi Knight game series would be quite nice.
 * 35) **I'll see if I can find some tomorrow :-).Grunny 12:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 36) **I added an image of Kyle Katarn using it, what do you think of it?? Grunny 13:03, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 37) ***It's good. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 06:22, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 38) * While I think this article could still use a lot of expansion, its quality has definitely improved. Nice job with the list to prose conversion, it's much more integrated and fluid now. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 11:24, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

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Visas Marr

 * Nominated by: * Cylka *  20:47, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: My first GA nom... please be gentle :)

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 * 1) Very good for a first GA. I trust the remainder of NaruHina's objections will be addressed. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 02:19, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Nice one, Fraulein. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 05:13, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) IFYLOFD:
 * 2) *"Jedi Master Atris, who was to attend the conclave, leaked knowledge of the meeting, and as a result, the planet was rendered lifeless by Darth Nihilus who was drawn there from the Outer Rim, unable to ignore the chance to consume the power profusion that the planet represented with some of the most powerful Masters of the Jedi Order assembled on a world as rich in the Force as the Miraluka's." Hoo-ey, that's a long sentence. Split it up.
 * 3) **Done. * Cylka *  10:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) *"He made her see the galaxy as her people never could, sentients on other planets disconnected from themselves, insensitive to the Force, and she wished to die." What does this sentence mean? Clarify.
 * 5) **Hopefully clarified. * Cylka *  10:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) *Add a little info on the Exile's journey.
 * 7) **Added more info. * Cylka *  09:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) *"As they were taken aback by the Sith Lord's devastating powers, the Exile realized Visas was his link to that place," What place?
 * 9) **Identified. * Cylka *  10:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) In the BtS, the possible origin of Marr's name is sourced with KotOR II. How is that possible? I doubt the KotOR II would tell the root of her name, in an OOU language no less.
 * 11) **Ugh.. how'd I miss that? Done. * Cylka *  10:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) *The BtS is too random and is almost like a trivia section. Try to link some of the facts together.
 * 13) **Hopefully linked. * Cylka * 17:30, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) *Good job.  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 03:30, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) **Thanks! :-) * Cylka *  10:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 16) SoresuMakashi
 * 17) * insensitive to the Force, and she wished to die. How does wishing to die have anything to do with the earlier stuff? Also, do you mean see in a literal or figuartive sense? Please clarify.
 * 18) **Hopefully clarified. * Cylka *  10:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 19) * This vision severely damaged her Force Sight. What vision? Do you mean the He made her see the galaxy as her people never could bit? The way you write it that sentence does not make it sound like she was having a vision. Similar to my last objection. Clarify/reword.
 * 20) **Redone. * Cylka *  10:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 21) * to the surprise and displeasure of certain crew members. Who in particular?
 * 22) * Her heart would finally be put to rest when the time came to accompany the Exile to the flagship of her former master, the Ravager, for their final confrontation. This conflicts with a later statement. Visas took some time to visit her old meditation chamber one last time, finally coming to terms with the destruction of Katarr.
 * 23) ** This has still not been addressed. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 05:02, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 24) ***Reworded the whole thing. Hopefully it clears it up. * Cylka *  09:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 25) * Remove the speculation about her being thoughtful, cautious and deliberating in the P&T. Do, however, keep the commitment bit and remove the probably, as this is proven when she fully devotes herself to helping the Exile stop Nihilus.
 * 26) **Done. * Cylka *  10:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 27) *Not bad. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 06:12, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 28) **Just the one objection remaining from me. Also, good work on your other KotOR stuff. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 05:02, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 29) *** :-) * Cylka *  09:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 30) **Thanks a lot for your edits! They really helped. :-) * Cylka *  10:52, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 31) Who else but NaruHina?
 * 32) * The romance section could be expanded. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 13:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 33) **Expanded. * Cylka * 17:30, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 34) ***I would say "So beautiful" but I never liked the male romance in kotor2. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 00:46, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 35) * In the cut content section, try and merge the cut stuff into sectional paragraphs, not just a list.
 * 36) **Paragraphed. * Cylka * 17:30, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 37) * "Visas infiltrated the Ebon Hawk and engaged the Exile in lightsaber combat—only to be defeated, wounded, and have her lightsaber broken. This show of strength prompted Visas to abandon Nihilus and pledge her life to the Exile, who took the now unconscious woman to the medical bay instead of ending her life. This act of mercy was met by surprise from companion and pilot of the Ebon Hawk, Atton Rand..." Wait...what act of mercy? You should put in that she pleaded for the Exile to kill her.
 * 38) **Added it in and reworded a bit. * Cylka *  09:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 39) * "Approximately a year later," This needs a source.
 * 40) **Changed the dates all together since Chronicles of the Old Republic was the only source I could find with a date. I was going by other member's sourcing. We may have a bit of a problem with the dating of the Jedi Conclave of Katarr and Devastation of Katarr. * Cylka *  09:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 41) ***The policy seems to be "While the comic does not specify an exact date for the events in the story, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords gives the date 3,952 BBY as the date of the Jedi Conclave on Katarr, which is considered responsible for the devastation of Katarr." Don't just source it to KotOR2, phrase it so its a shortening of this. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 23:39, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 42) ****But where does TSL give this date? I was saying Chronicles is the only source I could find with a date so other articles might have to be changed. I don't have The New Essential Chronology so I can't check the date there. Neither Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force or Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide have the date. 3,952 BBY isn't in the dialog files and I can't find any dialog in the game that says Well one year ago there was a Concvlave on Katarr....
 * 43) *****I have no idea. Do the dlg files cover written things too? It may have just been in some database or an item somewhere. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 00:21, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 44) ****** Don't know. But if I can't find the date in TSL, then I don't want to source to TSL. I would rather leave the date sourced to something that actually gives me a date. I'll try to see if anyone has ever actually seen the date in TSL. * Cylka *  01:00, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 45) *******It would probably just say "About a year ago" rather than give an actual date.
 * 46) ********I think I've gotten a bit confused now as to which date you're objecting to. 3,951 BBY has been established as the year the Exile came back, so that's the year Visas heard her. Between 3,953 BBY and 3,951 BBY are the only dates I can source for certain as to the Destruction of Katarr. I would really appreciate it if you could clarify this for me. Thanks. * Cylka *  11:17, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 47) *********I'm saying that the characters would probably say something like "About a year ago[...]Katarr was destroyed." Initially, I was objecting to the use of an unsourced "approximtely one year." Now I'm objecting as to what happened in 3,953 BBY that makes it impossible for Katarr to have been destroyed. Also, I'm sure I read it somewhere in the NEC about Katarr but it seems to have dissappeared.  NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 00:36, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 48) **********I asked Drewton to look in The NEC for me and he found nothing there nor in the timeline for the Guide to the Force. As for 3,953 BBY, Wookieepedia has nothing for that date. But anyways, I changed the date back to 3,952 BBY, even though I can't verify it it, because eveyone believes this is the right date. Both dates in the article are sourced now.  * Cylka *  12:58, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 49) * Nothing but the character's name a/o alias's first appearance should be bolded, check the P&T.
 * 50) **Think I fixed this. * Cylka *  09:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 51) ***Oh, sorry, I meant the P&A, nothing in that should be bolded. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 23:58, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 52) ****Think I fixed it. * Cylka * 17:30, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 53) *The article needs to be surced by statement, not by paragraph, per the MoS or was it the sourcing guide....either of those.
 * 54) **Fixed some of the refs. The others I left at the end of the paragraphs since all statements came from one source. At least thats how I think that Sourcing explained it. * Cylka *  09:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 55) ***No, they must be sourced by statement such as "she felt," "Commonly known as," quotes, etc. Many of these paragraphs just need sources for things like that. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 23:58, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 56) ****Think I got them all. * Cylka * 17:30, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 57) *****Looks good NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 23:39, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 58) ******Hey NH. I changed the sourcing per Toprawa. I figured that since he is AC I should go with his recommendation. * Cylka *  03:26, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 59) * "Jedi's object movement power" This either needs a source or should just be call Telekinesis. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 00:17, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 60) **Sourced. * Cylka * 17:30, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 61) ***Not sourced. You must source it directly (Right after the word "power) that it is commonly known as "Jedi's object movement power." Currently, it only sources that is is also known as Telekinesis. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 23:39, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 62) ****Done. * Cylka *  00:07, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 63) *****That has to be the second stupidest name I've ever heard in Star Wars. The first being Soka (Which is in everything) Are you sure its in the JvS? NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 00:21, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 64) ******Pg. 69 JvS. It wasn't an official name, just commonly known as. * Cylka *  01:00, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 65) *******Mind blown NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 06:52, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 66) * Devestation on Katarr needs to be linked to in the body. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 23:39, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 67) **Devastation of Katarr is linked to in life of the planet in the last sentence in the first paragraph He consumed the life of the planet, sparing naught, aside from Visas. * Cylka *  00:07, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 68) *** The intro and body are not the same, so technically, that is not the first paragraph of the body. Now that I look at it, all of the things in the intro must be linked to in the bio and subsequent sections as well as in the intro. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 00:21, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 69) ****Brainfart NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 00:33, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 70) *****Fixed all the links. * Cylka *  04:49, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 71) *Confucious say: "Good luck with your awticle." NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 13:11, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 72) **Thanks! * Cylka *  09:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 73) ***Thanks for the edits, Btw. * Cylka *  01:00, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 74) Toprawa:
 * 75) *Cylka, your article looks good so far from a cursory glance. Unfortunately, the sourcing-by-sentence that one objector has you doing is incorrect. This is not how Wookieepedia articles are to be sourced. For example, the first paragraph of the second bio section, beginning, "Visas infiltrated the Ebon Hawk," has five reference notes all referencing the same source. This is unnecessarily redundant. If that paragraph is all sourced to a single item, just leave a single reference note at the end of the paragraph. Individual sentences only need to be sourced if there are multiple references made in a single paragraph. Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:09, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 76) **I fixed up the sourcing. The ones I was unsure of was when there was one sentence from a different source in a paragraph. I sourced each sentence individually before the one with the different source, then I just added the reference note at the end of the paragraph since the rest of the sentences were from the same source. I'm not sure if that was right. * Cylka *  02:58, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

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Wait a sec, Toprawa, you told me that it was supposed to be by the quote, feeling, etc. back when I was sourcing everything for kotor. Though I agree the sourcing may have been a bit to often; it is nessisary to source the opinions of the characters and quotes, redundant or not. --That One Objector NaruHina  Talk  03:42, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I never instructed you to source by sentence, Naru. I'm sorry you interpreted whatever it is I apparently said to you incorrectly. Additionally, I regret you took my objection wording in an insulting manner. Perhaps if you substitute "that one objector" for "which one objector," you might understand. Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:22, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Right. And I didn't say sentence by sentence either. I said by "by statement such as "she felt," "Commonly known as," quotes, etc." NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 05:48, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Ja'Gatcha

 * Nominated by: 21:17, 17 December 2008 (UTC) 21:16, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: A quickie.

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 * 1) Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 00:28, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Object Comments
 * 1) From the Moffship of Grand Moff Tranner:
 * 2) * Creating Category:Paaerduags would be a good idea.
 * 3) **Done. Hadn't noticed it didn't exist.
 * 4) * Remove the speculation on his death, please. Still mention the bombardment, however.
 * 5) **Removed; figured I went a little far but it was worth a shot, right? :P
 * 6) * Maybe a little more context on the events involving Taris. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 21:31, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) **How so? I mean, concerning what, exactly? 23:18, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) ***Sorry for not explaining. I was thinking maybe a little background on the Jedi Civil War, and why Malak was after Bastila. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 00:20, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) Cylka:
 * 10) *Maybe add a sentence or two about Taris's severe intolerance of aliens. It could explain why he was insulted so much and decided/needed to hide out in Javyar's in the Lower City.
 * 11) *If you come up to him and say you want to stare at the freak, he'll indignantly claim he's the "pinnacle of evolution" and then tell you why humans aren't. Maybe you could fit that in somewhere - Bts?
 * 12) *Good job with so little to go on. * Cylka *  03:52, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Grebleips

 * Nominated by: Lord Hydronium 00:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Phone home.

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 * 1) Break out the radios! NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 06:56, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 15:20, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Need some ACs. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 08:33, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

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Comments
 * No P&T information, so no P&T. - Lord Hydronium 00:57, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Wex "TIE-Die" Dafid

 * Nominated by: Green Tentacle (Talk) 00:00, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: You can get shot just as dead when there's a moron at the helm as when there's a genius.

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 * 1) His name intrigued me.  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  23:21, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 23:41, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 08:11, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) From the Moffship of Grand Moff Tranner:
 * 2) * "During his time as a pilot, Dafid gained a three-inch scar on his cheek and a mechanical hand, along with an understanding of tactical flying." - "Gained [...] a mechanical hand" sounds weird to me. Perhaps you rephrase this sentence something along the lines of "During his time as a pilot, Dafid received a three-inch scar on his cheek and lost a hand, which he replaced with a mechanical hand," and then merge "Dafid gained an understanding of tactical flying" into the next sentence.
 * 3) * What did Farlander (or any other of his students, for that matter) do after training? I think a mention would be appropriate, even if it is only one or two lines. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 23:31, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

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Darth Nihilus

 * Nominated by:  NaruHina Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 02:25, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Thanks to Cylka for the inspiration and information. Lets make this the first Restored GA!

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Object Comments
 * 1) The BtS is a bit all over the place. Please subsection it as appropriate and break it into proper paragraphs; it looks a bit triviaish at the moment. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 12:23, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) *I think I fixed it. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 19:13, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Cylka:
 * 4) * The Trayus Academy kept on producing legions of Sith Lords, Assassins and Marauders, who spread death and the following of the dark side like a disease. What does "the following of the dark side" mean? Please clarify.
 * 5) **Rephrased. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 03:31, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) *As it neared the Miraluka colonized world Katarr, Nihilus spoke, obliterating Katarr How did him speaking obliterate Katarr? Please clarify. Maybe you could add in something to the effect that the Miraluka could hear him through the Force and that his "voice" in the Force was his hunger, therefore hearing him = death.
 * 7) **Rephrased. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 03:31, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) *[...]the Dark Lord seemed too strong to defeat, then the Exile learned of his weakness and turned the tide. Visas also entered into a trance and tried to disrupt the link with her former Master, undermining his connection to the Force. This makes it sound like they both were in a trance, although I'm pretty sure only Visas was in a trance. Please reword.
 * 9) **And rephrased. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 03:31, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) *With Traya gone, the Sith were left with no defined leadership and many factions arose, all seeking to take what little remained of Revan's Sith Empire. However, Nihilus and Sion were now the leaders of the Sith. These statements appear to contradict each other. I know what you mean, but others may not. Reword to say that they became the leaders because they got rid of Traya.
 * 11) *Give an actual date for the conclave and destruction of Katarr. I actually found a definitive source for the date; I changed all the articles to reflect this. You can find it there. * Cylka *  11:21, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) *Good job with adding a lot of info to the article. * Cylka *  02:40, 25 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) **Thank you. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 03:31, 25 December 2008 (UTC)