Talk:Darth Maul/Legends

Sithspawn?
Why was Maul listed in the Sithspawn category? He's a Zabrak. Removed, re-add if there's some reason he should be there, please leave a comment. --68.228.44.94 02:51, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

Paralells?
Is there ANY paralells between Darth Maul's death and those of other Jedi/Sith? Just asking? 203.123.89.166 05:30, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Force Unleashed
Can anyone get a pic of PROXY guised as Maul on Raxus Prime? We'll need that for the "Legacy" gig? 72.209.10.107 22:37, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I also think that this incedent on Raxus Prime should be noted in his biography.QuiGonJinn 14:37, 2 October 2008 (UTC)QuiGonJinn

i am suprised proxy lasted as long as he did because he takes lots of critical damage in his life and he never gets repaired.--Serg arty 22:26, 2 November 2008 (UTC)

im just putting the code to unlock darth maul in ps2. ZABRAK WallyX 20:04, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Body destroyed in core?
I am curious about this because I read the novelization and don't recall this getting mentioned. The film shows too little to determine if that happened (it's certainly a possibility) and besides, I was under the impression that Maul's corpse identification was part of the Jedi's investigation into his being a Sith. Also, the Infinities comics with him returning as a cyborg don't make any sense if this is true. At any rate, I guess my question is whether there is a source for this because it confuses rather than clarifies for this to be canon.Mad Jax 23:42, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

I am 34 and in my many years of geekdom i have learned one thing. Non canon is always stupid and just gets dumber the longer its dragged on.

Since nobody came to defend the wording, I went ahead and edited it out because "destroyed" has multiple interpretations (ie just "dead") and if it does in fact mean that, it was a redundancy. I did so because I feel the character of Maul deserves a featured article quality entry and this is one step toward that goal.Mad Jax 09:01, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Dark Lord of the Sith?
This isn't specifically about Maul, but I was wondering whether he counts as a dark lord of the sith. Because I thought there was only one and the apprentice of the dark lord didn't count. 70.26.53.110 23:49, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * No, numerous sources have stated that Maul, Dooku and Vader were Dark Lords of the Sith, even though they're apprentices. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 23:52, 5 November 2008 (UTC)

Can you mention one? If it's not too much trouble...70.26.53.110 02:38, 7 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The first usage of the term was in the A New Hope novel, used in reference to Vader. The Databank and Dark Side Sourcebook are two sources for Maul off the top of my head. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 16:59, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Thanks. I haven't read any of those, but thanks anyway. 70.26.53.110 17:32, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Clone of Darth Maul
If Darth Maul had a clone why wouldn't it be in the movies? --Lupin &amp; Kingsley 15:09, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

There are many things from the Expanded Universe that don't make it into the movies, which is why they are relegated to e-canon status. The Maul clone is just one of them.Mad Jax 08:11, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Darth Maul Picture w/hood
I was looking through the wanted files and i noticed people were asking for a picture of Maul hooded. here you go

http://comicsmedia.ign.com/comics/image/article/759/759120/darth-maul-20070126054824246-000.jpg

i will leave someone with higher authority than me to use it on the page
 * Joking, of course. Alexrd 18:27, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

maul infinities?
i have some empire strikes back infinities and they dont follow the story line so why should mauls? i think that part should be taken out because other books under the same name dont go to plot the books show an alternate story line where luke dies on hoth.

what???!!!???!!?!!?!?!?!?
in the very first paraghaph it says mauls first mision was in 33bby but is the general info collumn it states that he dies in 32bby!
 * That was a different mission then the one Maul died in.  IFYLOFD  ( You will pay the price for your lack of vision! ) 03:45, 20 July 2009 (UTC)
 * "BBY" is like "B.C." -- it counts up to 0, when ABY kicks in. So 33 BBY is a year prior to 32 BBY. --Anonymous, July 17, 2010

Force powers
In Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace (video game), during the battle between Kenobi and Maul, the Sith Lord use both Force push and red Force lightning. The video game is considered as canon source, but is his lightning power canonical? Kreivi Wolter 17:15, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * If it is in the game then it is canon. I would add the info. At the very least it could be added to the behind the scenes section. I believe he also had some wild red lighting in Jedi Power Battles for the PS1.--DannyBoy7783 02:35, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

Double-bladed lightsaber
In this article, you say the lightsaber was created in a battle. I read the comic where that happened, but in Star Wars Episode I Journal: Darth Maul, it says that his master, after the Ultimate Test, looked it up in the Sith archives and told him "this will be your weapon." There was no battle involved. Which version should we choose to believe (I don't know anything about the citation rules here)?
 * The comic was published in Star Wars Tales, which has certain stories that conflict with canon. When this story was referenced in The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia, the portion that mentioned Maul's lightsaber and battle was considered a rumor. So, I believe the Episode I Journal is correct in this case. BTW, please sign your posts with four tildes. >(~) Thank you. Zakor1138 00:53, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

"Darth" Title for Maul?
Just curious on how this works--Maul was trained from a very young age; was he given the name "Darth Maul" when Sidious first began training him, or is a "Darth" name & title something that has to be earned during the training process? I imagine the literature on Maul's past will be most clear on the matter, since he is known to have been trained since he was very young. --Anonymous, July 17, 2010

was Phantom Menace theatrical death different?
Its been over ten years but I recall Maul only being impaled and then falling to the core, am I the only one who remembers Maul not being cut in half?24.181.34.132 03:47, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

anybody?24.181.34.132 01:14, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Darth Maul was cut in half. If you watch him fall he is two parts.--Lord starkiller the strong 00:51, August 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I seem to recall that various theaters had marginally different edits for the movie that modified that scene so he does not split in two or the flash of red is not shown at the bottom of the screen when we have a closeup on Maul's face when he's cut. The home vid/DVD releases only have the cut-in-half-with-everything-in version, however, which is canon. -Zekk_Skywalk 02:39, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

I know cut in half is canon but is there anyway to see the not cut in half version, cant find it anywhere 24.181.34.132 02:49, August 22, 2010 (UTC)

Phantom Menaces canon?!?
When was this story confirmed as canon? I never heard of such an anouncement, and I usually stay informed of what is canon and what is not. Toolen 18:00, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * It was in The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia. Zakor1138 01:08, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

Vote of No Confidence in Darth Maul's Abilities
"Darth Maul was a highly skilled lightsaber duelist,... Maul was a master of Juyo, Jar'Kai, and Teräs Käsi,..." If he was so skilled why was he killed by a Padawan (not a Master or even a Knight)?

"While dueling Obi-Wan Kenobi, Maul used both Force push and red Force lightning against the Jedi." I am surprised you have chosen to include that in the article considering your strict canon policies. The complete and G-canon duel is included in the movie and the movie never shows that. Anyway the source for the red lightning is the video game a C-canon source (and an ambigous one at that).

You need to start thinking with more objectivity. --189.247.110.107 16:09, August 11, 2010 (UTC)

Clone Wars bringing about new views on Maul...
Looks like season 3 of Clone Wars is giving us a new history for Maul (making him of the same species as Ventris apparently). And introducing a brother. This is from an article on the Aussie IGN (yes yes I know "you can't say ignorance without saying IGN" but they're at Celebration V).

It might be wise to lock editing of this page only to logged in posters for a while until the series has aired and we see exactly what's changed. Bumbles the Time Lord 23:28, August 14, 2010 (UTC)


 * There's a clip on YouTube featuring his brother around 6:30. George Lucas and Jon Stewart - Celebration V - part 7

Ign also just posted an interview with George confirming that Maul is being retconed as the same speices as Ventress and that they now both hail from Dathomir and are in some way connected to the Nightsisters

As of the Clone Wars, Darth Maul is alive and well in exile in the Outer Rim.

In the newest star wars insider it said that maul is alive and in exile. Shouldn't this be added to his page.--SUP3RCHUBBY 13:44, December 12, 2010 (UTC)


 * I read it all in there, too. Can't we at least allow major spoilers, please? I put in new sources and I find that they've been removed! I can't take much of the pressure anymore! Lord KOT 22:08, December 14, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, I was just coming here to let everyone know that major changes to Maul's back story are headed our way, but it looks like plenty of people have already beaten me to it. I read the Insider article last night, and I just wished to point out one thing: Maul's species is not being retconned. He's still a Zabrak. What's changing is the origin or the Zabrak species itself. Apparently, they originated on Dathomir but arrived on Iridonia by way of pirates or something. Consult the article for the exact news. 24.3.90.58 18:39, December 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, and the origin of his tattoos is changing, too. Apparently, they are no longer Sith tattoos but are associated with the order of the Nightbrothers. This may mean that they are also changing the time in which he came to be under Sidious' tutelage, which was previously from infancy. This will mess up quite a few existing stories. Thanks again, George Lucas! 24.3.90.58 18:42, December 15, 2010 (UTC)

I am surprised that no one has put this in the article.--SUP3RCHUBBY 15:01, December 27, 2010 (UTC)

It's best to wait for the episodes to air, and thus confirm Maul's survival and past in a visual, canon source, rather than make judgements based on a possibly incorrect magazine article. DeCarta 18:45, December 28, 2010


 * The next 3 episodes clone wars were shown in a privet screening, right? So why cant we update with some spoiler captions, and let people know it is subject to change? Also is anyone else with me in petition Lucas licensing to put the T (Television) cannon below everything else. Some of the actions in the first clone wars cartoon are already considered exaggerations, and the original droid and especially Ewok TV shows were full of weird thing that barely fit the star wars mythos. I feel like the show is great, but a show made for kids in mind should not supersede serous adult novel.(66.156.211.21 22:10, December 29, 2010 (UTC))
 * Because the episode haven't officially aired. That's how wookiepedia works. The rest of your post shouldn't even be here as it has nothing to do with the article. This is not a forum. Korsa3 22:55, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Where's it say Maul's alive? On the official Star Wars page for Season 3 Episode 13, all it says was that Maul's homeworld was being reconned to be Dathomir and that his tattoos are not Sith tattoos as previously mentioned, but that they are given to elite Zabrak warriors of the Nightbrothers. Looking at the Secrets Revealed section will answer some of the questions posted here and give a few details to add to the article. 173.180.89.129 08:29, January 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * From the Monster commentary on the official site, it sounds like George asked them to bring back Maul, but Filoni actually had an ounce of common sense and created Savage and the others instead.--Darth Oblivion 14:32, January 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * I've added the "disputed" template to the page until we can sort this out. It's seems that Maul is no longer a mainline Zabrak but is instead a "Dathomiri," so we need to fix all his appearances both here and in other articles. ~ SavageBob 00:04, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure Leland Chee indicated somewhere that the modifier "Dathomiri" is more of a "nationality" than a subspecies of Zabrak. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 00:23, January 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * In Episode 14, when Obi-Wan mistakes Savage for Maul he is surprised when he learns the Zabrak was from Dathomir and says "Wasn't Darth Maul born on Iridonia?" He is told that while Iridonia was indeed Maul's birthplace, he was raised on Dathomir as a Nightbrother and that's where Sidious found him. To quote the official website: "Expanded Universe lore had previously suggested that the Jedi never knew Darth Maul's name, but the captured Neimoidians would have known it during the Naboo invasion. Maul's EU connections to Iridonia are also mentioned, though the episode reveals Maul was raised on Dathomir." 173.180.89.129 08:37, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Correction for Main Page
I won't make the changes, as I don't have an easy source to reference, but the name "Khameir Sarin" for Maul isn't from a foreign translation of the novelization of TPM. It's from some foreign editions of the "Virtual Encyclopedia," which appears to be an overseas name for the "Episode I Insider's Guide." I myself make that mistake all the time and had to look back into my own notes from c2000 to find where it was really released. NathanPButler 05:04, January 15, 2011 (UTC)

Request for a new main picture
Are there any other good facial profile pictures we could use instead of the one thats currently up? Maul is usually calm and graceful and this picture doesn't really capture that, he looks like a school bully with crooked teeth. DjMack 05:53, January 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it's fine. I'd say his most defining traits are his savagery (no pun intended) and his anger.  This image shows that well. Darth Adonis 09:35, January 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I get where both of you are coming from on this subject, but I think the current main image should be altered as well. Maul could be a bit of a savage when it came to fighting and there's no question about his anger or hatred, but he definitely carried himself in a calm and graceful manner (whether in the presence of his Master or others, or even when fighting), which is not what the current image shows. I'm not saying that it's terrible and should just be removed, but I think a different facial image would suit Maul better. JRT2010 10:59, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Perhaps this one could be cropped, and used. Roger Murtaugh 19:02, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * That could work. Just crop it to get the face and that should be fine. I say go for it, if there are no other objections. JRT2010 19:40, January 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Do not change the infobox image without setting up a vote, thanks. –Tm_T (Talk) 20:01, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

Homeworld
The Clone Wars episodes "Witches of the Mist" provides ambiguous informations when it comes to Maul's homeworld. The conversation between Obi-Wan, Yoda and Windu appears to suggest he was born on Iridonia and that Dathomir was merely the planet where he was raised. But then again, Savage was apparently born on Dathomir and it wouldn't make much sense for Maul not to be born on the same planet as his brothers...

We can theorise that the Witches regularly extract male Zabraks from Iridonia at a very young age to populate the village, but this need confimation...--DarthNoris 14:33, January 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * From watching the episodes, I got the impression that "brother" did not suggest a blood relative, but rather a member of the same clan. They are called the Nightbrothers, after all. 24.3.90.58 15:12, January 22, 2011 (UTC)

Survival
I'm not sure I understand how he would have survived the duel with Obi-wan on Naboo. I mean Obi-wan cut him in half and he fell down a very long melting pit.


 * It's the difficult art of retconning someone's death in Star Wars Canon 86.73.99.178 21:16, January 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * He didn't. The Visionaries storyline is non-canon. Ruthless Xero(Comment) 21:32, January 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * It's nothing to do with Visionaries. The latest episode of Clone Wars has confirmed he is still alive. Jayden Matthews 21:34, January 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Yeah, people need to stop posting like it's a forum. This page is about the possibility of Darth Maul still being alive in relation to the January 21st episode of Star Wars: The Clone Wars - "Witches of the Mist" where it was revealed that Darth Maul is indeed alive, exiled on an outer rim planet.


 * It is very possible that this is a trick for Savage, or that this Maul is a clone, or even possibly survived the fall. Roger Murtaugh 18:58, January 23, 2011 (UTC)

I think it is plausible he survived. He just got sliced into a top and bottom half. That wouldn't necessarilly kill him. The non-canon story that has him with cyborg legs may have merit yet.
 * A canon comic has Darth Vader fighting a clone of Darth Maul created by heretic Sith (and possibly Darth Sidious) and killing him. This is just speculation, but it could be that Savage was sent after the same clone, although I acknowledge this is highly unlikely because the technology for cloning Force sensatives wasn't perfected until the Starkiller and Dark Apprentice were cloned from Galen Marek.  It's more likely that Savage being sent to find Maul is merely a reference to the clone Vader killed and the non-canon cyborg-Maul Obi-Wan killed on Tatooine, which is an Outer Rim planet, I might add...  We'll have to wait and see what the next arc featuring Savage and Maul says.  173.180.89.129 08:46, January 24, 2011 (UTC)

Let's also bear in mind that a certain Boltrunian by the name of Maw (Dark Jedi) also survived bisection, and lived on seemingly perfectly healthy and powerful through the Force. Therefore, it is entirely possible for Maul to have survived by his knowledge of the dark arts and his sheer willpower. "The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural." 24.3.90.58 18:16, January 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I thought Maw only had his legs chopped off (according to the article here, anyway- I haven't played the game he is in so I don't know for sure). Losing your legs would be a much more survivable wound than being bisected. Having Darth Maul still alive cheapens Obi-Wan's victory in Episode I in my opinion. Either way, until the next story arc involving Savage is revealed we won't be able to say for sure. Darth Nordeck 05:56, January 25, 2011 (UTC)

Anyway, Obi-Wan would have felt if he was still alive. Styke Teenona 15:33, January 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter, where he was cut in half, but to survive a faal into a plasma reactor is impossible, and according to Star Wars: Complete Locations there is no way up again.


 * Not to mention that you couldn't survive a fall that far, and don't say he stopped his fall with the force the pain would have been to much for him to muster up the focus needed to use the force.