Talk:Revan/Legends

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Can somone tell me who the voice actor
of Revan was?

You can hear some words spoken by Revan as a male, like "what" etc and some battle quotes?

144.132.15.155 09:26, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps IMDB has something about the act/or/ress, IF s/he is listed in the game credits. Anyway, i think Revan's image is too dark. Luke On Wheels (just kidding, i'm not LOW)
 * I think the same actor does all the 'replies' when you put a character do some stuff (such as slicing or demolishing). This is the only case Revan is heard. MoffRebus 12:21, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

which is your favourite look on revan
My favourite is the one that looks slightly tan, with a small gotie. You can see it from Knights of the old republic 2: the sith lords website, in the trailer. It is from the lines: "But if he takes the path of a jedi, those who join him will feal the vengeance of the dark side. Right after you see Kreia. what do you think,

144.132.15.155 12:08, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The discussion page is for discussions about the article. - TopAce 12:55, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Image Part II
Here we go again...I was able to find the full version of the image already in the article. --Redemption 03:50, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, no. That pic is disgusting! He looks like his knees are about to give way from beneath him. Plus you can't really see his face, its obscured by his lightsabre. Jasca Ducato 09:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Did you like what i wrote about Revan?
The part about the "Love for Bastila"?

Master Nikolce 09:07, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about everyone else but I did. Although my preference is for female Revan but that's not the point since I already expanded the section to include the non-canon version. I'm not as familiar with the familiar with Juhani as I am with Carth or Bastila so, another sub-section to the Forbidden Romances would be appropiate (and only fair). --Redemption 00:09, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Name Meaning
Was Revan's name based of the word Revenge, Just like how the other sith lord's names have darker meaning? - QX100 17:54, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Put it in the behind the scenes section :) MoffRebus 11:27, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree, it's pure speculation, It can just as well be based on "raven" or "revenant". Besides, Revan is a real name, not a Sith alias. - Sikon [ Talk ] 13:38, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * All BtS sections about Sith Lords' names ARE pure speculations. See Malak, Traya, Sion, Ruin, Plagueis and Sidious (AND Palpatine). MoffRebus 14:53, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Plus, Malak was a real name, not an alias but we still have information on his name. So wether its a real name or not doesn't matter. Jasca Ducato 14:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I put it. I guess nobody disagrees, however it needs some rewording. MoffRebus 15:23, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Revan's name was *quite clearly* a derivative of "Revenant", I.e. "a person who returns after a long absence", "recurring: coming back, aka 'a revenant ghost" and "someone who has returned from the dead". All those (aside from being literally dead) work pretty well when you consider the character don't they? And, even though that might have been why BIOWARE called him "Revan", "Revan" wasn't a Sith name, there was no Dark Lord who decided to "Hmm, I'll call him Revan for Revenge/Revanant". (195.92.168.169 12:37, 17 May 2006 (UTC))

Image Part III
Round 3. FIGHT! Hehe ...never mind. Uh... --Redemption 01:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC) Yes, but like the last arguement concluded, the video of Revan in KOTOR I is the main source for this and that shows him with only one lightsaber. Jasca Ducato 07:45, 29 April 2006 (UTC) --Redemption 17:13, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Still got two lightsabers (which was what the whole problem was about). Jasca Ducato 08:19, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I'm going by how he appeared in K2 and there he appeared with two. --Redemption 00:28, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Can we digital retouch the image to remove one of the hilt XD ? Just kidding. Darth Kevinmhk 10:17, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The same video that shows Bastila Shan with a single-bladed lightsaber? - Sikon [ Talk ] 12:24, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I am late to join the discussion, but I am ok with him wielding 2 blades. Just like Anakin was mainly a Form V single blade user, but he can apply Jar'Kai Ataru against Dooku in EP2; Mace & Depa were mainly single blade Vaapad users, but they both applied Jar'Kai Vaapad in Shatterpoint novel; Sora Bulq is a single blade fighter in EP2, but he applied Jar'Kai Vaapad in EU; Obi-Wan is single blade Soresu+Ataru, but he also applied Jar'Kai against Ventress in Republic comic. Revan may mainly use single blade, or maybe dual blades, but the fact seems like he can use either form, depends on the situation & available resources. So I don't mind a pic of Revan with 2 blades. Darth Kevinmhk 10:38, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. It's updated to have only one lightsaber. --Redemption 17:37, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * How did you make the change? A completely new screenshot or you really digital retouched the pic? Darth Kevinmhk 17:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks digitally changed to me. But now its like that i'd support a change. Although i still don't see why one is needed. Jasca Ducato 17:56, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Because the current one is a pile of crap. Blurry, far, bad coloring...Hm. I didn't realize that there was a "dispute" going on...--Redemption 19:11, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Besides the fact that we don't tend to accept digitally altered pictures, and the current Revan image has two lightsabers, I (among others) see absolutely no problem at all with the current image. I see no blur or bad colouring, the image is a nice profile shot of Revan, and it's from an in-game movie scene. Because you only seem to wait for consensus in the little group who post here before changing the page, I have locked it so that other members can vote on it also. Heck, I think it would be better in the CT seeing as you seem to have such a huge problem with the current image despite the fact that others don't. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 19:15, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, if I remember correctly, there were people complaning about the current image and I've been trying to pin a good one down. Unfortunatly it's been the contrast too high (last one), needs to be head shot, too blurry, bad quality, etc. Look back at archive 2, Jaymach but you go all admin nazi (not saying that's how you are but whatever). :P --Redemption 19:19, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The current profile pic looks good to me. Higher resolution is always welcome, of course. Darth Kevinmhk 19:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I like the current image as well. RMF 19:25, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The article was featured with the current image. I think it's perfectly fine. - Sikon [ Talk ] 14:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * So lets just leave it then. Whats wrong with that? Jasca Ducato 18:11, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * People were complaining about it before. That's whats wrong with it. Folks here can't make up their mind about the images. :P --Redemption 03:58, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The Revanhalf picture here is definitely better than the revanludotomb picture. i vote for this picture...
 * Sign your comment, then i'll take you seriously! If there being two lightsabers is the problem just edit the current picture to get rid of one of the lightsabers. Jasca Ducato 19:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see a problem with two sabers. After all, the Kotor 1 scene shows Bastila with one blade, so how seriously can we really take that? It could be that Kotor 2 just retconned it; a fairly common thing in Star Wars, as I recall.User:SithPower
 * Then lets just leave it, the current picture is fine enough. Please just stop the argueing, we'll never reach a conclusion. Jasca Ducato
 * I very much hope that this discussion can end so that the shield would be deactivated. Darth Kevinmhk 13:00, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I almost hate to do this, but here is a new pic that is more like the current title image, but at much higher resolution and without lightsabers:
 * http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/6600/revan1dy.th.jpg--Sentry 02:27, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Here is a croppped version...--Sentry 08:30, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I vote for the revanhalf picture! -Me-
 * Actually, I like Sentrys. Just needs to be cropped.
 * http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/3940/revan4do.th.jpgHere is a cropped version.--Sentry 08:30, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * t. pic of sentry is also good, but a sword is missing. what do others think? -Me-
 * That was the whole point really. No one is in agreement on how many lightsabers Revan used...--Sentry 08:30, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well if thats the case just use that one. This is dragging on and at this rate we're not going to reach a conclusion on which all agree. Jasca Ducato 18:49, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Just an opinion of a KotOR 2 addict. The (K1) "Fall of Revan" cutscene depicts both Revan and Bastila Shan with one single bladed saber, red and yellow, respectively. This, at least by some, was supposed to be Bastila's "Padawan Lightsaber" and she made a double-bladed later... Or something of the sort, such as that it was her saber and it got destroyed in the attack by Malak, so she made a double-bladed. Either way, just talking about canon and not quality, I believe that Revan could be depicted either way. He was seen with two sabers as well. -Admiral Chamrajnagar
 * All true Swordmasters have one lightsaber, except maybe Exar Kun. And so does Revan. I vote for the Revanhalf picture -Me-
 * My point is, a guy who know how to wield 2 blades doesnt have to always use 2 blades - demonstrate by Mace & Sora in movies: they both demonstrated great dual blades technique in EU; on the other hand, a guy who dont know how to wield 2 blades can use dual weapons too! So personally, I dont care whether Revan was seen with how many blades, as long as those are canonical pics. Darth Kevinmhk 13:21, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Battle at Malachor
Hey do we actually know if Revan even drew upon Dark Side energies during the battle of Malachor V to corrupt the Jedi? Because I remember Atton saying that Revan wasn't even present at the battle. Or is my memory wrong?

EDIT: I'm an idiot... I thought this was the Jedi Civil War page sorry.

Part X: Proving Grounds Time frame: 3,961 - 3,956 B.B.Y. Period name: Knights of the Old Republic
 * well you question is related to Revan after all... sorry i dont have an answer, i only played KOTOR1. Darth Kevinmhk 04:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Continue at Talk:Jedi Civil War. - Sikon [ Talk ] 10:05, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Guess I better post this so no noobs change stuff without knowing better... Its an excerpt from Chronicles of the Old Republic - Copyright LucasArts

It is a period of tumult and astuteness for the galaxy's most powerful entities, as the Mandalorian conflict culminates. The Jedi, fighting alongside the Republic and their finest tactical minds, such as Admiral SAUL KARATH aboard his flagship Leviathan, begin to force the fierce Mandalorians back into a retreat. The rout of the Mandalorians reaches a crescendo above the skies of Malachor V. Unbeknownst to the Jedi Order, DARTH REVAN has discovered numerous Sith artifacts and holocrons, all stored in great tomb-like cities buried beneath Malachor V's surface. As Revan plundered these tombs and relics, he fell deeper into the Dark Side. He learned of the location and the true nature of Korriban, he learned of the location of other Sith artifacts, and he learned how those strong in the light side of the Force could be seduced and made to see the strength inherent in the Sith teachings.

Revan knew he had discovered more than a staging area for the Mandalorian War - he had discovered an ancient, planet-sized Sith storehouse of knowledge. He had discovered a world that held one purpose - to teach and train others in the ways of the Sith. He had discovered a weapon that he could use against the Mandalorians, and a weapon by which he could convert more Jedi to his cause. This process of "turning" Jedi into SITH ASSASSINS continued even as the Jedi Council hailed Revan as a hero, as he lead the Republic forces to victory over the Mandalorians in the skies above Malachor V, and forces them to surrender. Revan is able to draw upon the dark side energies of the planet below and use it during the battle, destroying the Mandalore and ending the Mandalorian threat. Simultaneously, more and more Jedi, unable to ignore the power emanating from the planet below, become corrupted by its influence.

--Sentry 05:47, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not a fan of the chronicles, mainly because there are *so* many inconsistancies and errors within. For example: Kreia becoming a Sith Lord *after* KotOR makes no sense, especially if you buy the "she felt guilty for Revan's fall" line - since Revan was *redeemed* by this point. As for the battle of Malachor - well... the chronicles seem to imply that the "Utter devastation" unleashed was due to Revan harnessing dark side power, whereas the game clearly states that it was the Mass Shadow Generator. Honestly, I wish they'd just not bothered writing the chronicles, and put some decent exposition into KotOR 2 itself. (Ulicus 23:32, 19 May 2006 (UTC))

Height
Does anyone know Revan's height? Although, the canonical Male revan that i played, he was taller then most of the party members.

Also, how do write does little, things where they take you to the notes section?

Master Nikolce 07:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No, Revans height has not been canonically revealed and any info about it would likely be Original Research.

If you want to write like this you need to put these in your message kahihda. Jasca Ducato 08:17, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Since Malak is supposedly 2.02 metres tall and HK-47 is supposedly 1.8 metres tall (both must really be taller), Revan is probably a fair bit shorter than Luke Skywalker height. And apparently every other male in the galaxy is as well. :P

All of Revan's faces
Can we see a screenshot of all of Revan's faces? You know, the choices we have at the beginning of the game?
 * Erm, no.

Why would you want one anyway? Jasca Ducato 14:21, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * This would be worthy to put up on an article- there would be a quiltwork of all possible facial choices, with a caption reading: "All of Revan's possible faces the player chooses at start-up." After all, why not? --68.102.193.78 17:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * For one thing, that image would have to be quite large to be meaningful as the selection of faces, both male and female, is rather large. In any case, it would have to be placed in the 'behind the scenes' section, but even there, I don't really see what the point would be...--Sentry 21:07, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Especially since pretty much all of them but the "Mullet Head" and the "Scarred Beneath Right Eye Head" (generally considered the most popular male Revan heads) were reused for NPCs throughout KotOR II. (Ulicus 23:34, 19 May 2006 (UTC))

Just read through the article again
Oh dear... and to think that only a couple of months ago it was coming on so well.

An example:

''Upon the surface, he was nearly destroyed by Sith energies, yet such was his strength of will that he was able to feed on and not be consumed. He survived the encounter, but unlike many who were tainted by the dark side Revan did not let his actions be directed by the dark side.''

There are so many problems with this extract. It has kept elements of the old stuff, sure, but it's just those little additions and subtractions that have completely bastardised it...

The first sentence makes no grammatical sense.

"able to feed on and not be consumed"

WHAT? You need SOMETHING after "on", even if it's as basic as "the dark power" or somesuch. You can't just say "able to feed on and not be consumed".

The second sentence sounds infantile.

"He survived the encounter, but unlike many who were tainted by the dark side Revan did not let his actions be directed by the dark side."

First off - "He survived the encounter" should not be linked by "but" with: "unlike many who were tainted by the dark side... blah blah"

You'd use "and" in this context.

Secondly, could we at least *try* to be interesting? You would not write a sentence saying: "the large cat went into the large door" unless you were writing for two year olds.

The same applies here.

It's a shame people felt the need to edit this article so damn much without *checking in the discussion page*, thus getting it bleedin' *protected* of all things, now I can't even brush it up! Gahhhh!!!! *Cries*

Ah whatever. I'll just bog off.(Ulicus 23:46, 21 May 2006 (UTC))
 * I agree. There should be a basic English grammar test for this site. Cutch 05:05, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * haha. Hear Hear! It looks like we will have to mine the page history and paste a lot of the old version back into the current one...--Sentry 05:09, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * just finish the argument and crack the shield so that we can work again. Darth Kevinmhk 05:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * This section has nothing to do with the edit shield Darth Kevinmhk. That has been in place since April 29th and was implemented because people kept switching the main image without consensus.--Sentry 07:16, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I know and was actually refering to the image discussion. Sorry to cause misunderstanding. Darth Kevinmhk 12:55, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, looking through the page history, it looks like I was responsible for the "feed on and not be consumed" goof. Whoops. I still stand by my original comments! Albeit with a little bit of red in my face. (Ulicus 21:34, 9 June 2006 (UTC))

What does he look like when completely within the dark side?
I've only played him so that he completely embraces the light. When I have his light-side points maxed out, the screen to the right of the "Equip" screen (whatever it was called) shows what looks like an inverted waterfall surrounding him.

HK-47 is shrouded in dark-red mist but he isn't quite completely consumed by the dark side (his alignment gauge is close to, but not at the bottom.) What would the main character look like on that particular screen when his dark side points are maxed out? Does anyone have a screenshot of that? --68.102.193.78 06:59, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, this ins't a forum. Talk pages are meant to be used for discussing articles. Why don't you try a google image search or, better yet, go start a topic over on the BioWare or Obsidian message boards.--Sentry 07:20, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Type  in the cheating console and see. - Sikon [ Talk ] 17:07, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't understand Sikon, are you refering to the Xbox console?? If yes, where can I type this?? Axel Shan
 * He is referring to the PC version, and before someone asks, I don't remember how to activate the cheat console. You have to mess with an .ini file or something... Google it.--Sentry 21:51, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Add  to the [Game Options] section in swkotor.ini, then use the ~ key in the game. And Axel Shan, for the last time, sign your posts properly! - Sikon [ Talk ] 04:34, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

He gets black smoke billowing at his feet, and the red above it is somewhat orangeish, like fire. Varas Halcyon 16:27, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Possible Unmasked Revan


I'm just curious if anyone thinks we should include this image anywhere in the article, possible in the Behind the scenes section? It's an image which was used to represent Revan in an American advert for Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, which was released before KoTOR actually came out. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 03:32, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say it's worth if, if only in BTS. What was the context of the add? Did it say that this was Revan? Kuralyov 03:33, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Link to the advert. :) I thought it implied it was him myself, and the images does fit with the models used to represent Revan in other adverts, but decide for yourself. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 03:37, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems like a good idea to me. Kuralyov 03:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I like the idea, and who knows, it might actually be the canonical Revan one day. User:RushinSundaws 11:27, 4 June 2006
 * Oh, stop talking about it and just put it in! I like it, you like it, we all like it! Just add it! Lord vader1414 21:38, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't! I demand it be taken out of the article! (Just kidding) I really doubt that that is the canonical Revan - but I do like the voice.(Ulicus 21:36, 9 June 2006 (UTC))
 * i think we shold put it in, maybe even as the main image...but only with a better shot...deffo needs to go behind the sceneJedi Dude
 * Uh, no. Sorry. We don't know what canon Revan looks like - and I doubt we ever will. To be honest, I'm still disgusted that they gave him a canon gender and ending. ESPECIALLY when KotOR 2 works regardless of any combination of those. (Ulicus 22:10, 9 June 2006 (UTC))
 * I say put it in. Why? 1) It's obviously supposed to be Revan&mdash;his saber changes from blue (Revan's canonical color of choice from Shadows and Light) to red for Pete's sake! 2) We can always change it, people, if something different comes along. Why not make it the main image? It's the best we have. Cutch 22:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It is in the article but it should not be the main image. That doesn't even look like one of the heads you can choose in the game! Besides, I've seen *other* "advert Revans" in magazines (one with a split between his face and Malak's) and adverts do not equal canon. I mean, there's games footage in that advert, but people don't say that the "footage shows the canon event" do they?(Ulicus 22:57, 9 June 2006 (UTC))
 * And why is Revan's canonical lightsaber blue? The *entire image is blue*. Even Malak's head is blue tinted - the space outside the window is blue, the rakata are blue. (Ulicus 08:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC))

Image Part IV
I do not understand why is there has been such controversy over the image.

Someone with a good graphics card should hack the game so that they're wearing Revan's cutscene robes, complete the dark side ending - wait for the point where the camera gives us a close up of Revan with his arms crossed and TAKE A SCREENSHOT. Revan looks dominant, awesome, Sith Lordy - and there are NO lightsabers in sight. Problem solved. (Ulicus 21:38, 9 June 2006 (UTC))
 * See? The guy's practically staring us down. Click on it, then imagine how it would look if I didn't have a crappy NVidia GForce 4 MX and it was clearer and beautiful.(Ulicus 21:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC))
 * Oh, and none of this, "It's taken from the non-canon ending" stuff. It's a picture and it's a good one - well not THAT one, but if taken by someone with a better spec, it will be. That's all that matters. We know that Revan had stood on that balcony no matter what ending you pick (in the Revelation scene), so it really doesn't matter that the image itself comes from the DS ending.(Ulicus 22:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC))
 * Personally, I like the picture, the only problem is that its too dark. Someone with decent photoshop skills could fix that, though, right? Lonnyd 22:16, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah - I'm not proposing we use *this* picture. My graphics are lame. This is simply the best way to demonstrate what I'm talking about. I'm sure there's someone out there with a much more powerful system than me... that said, it's much clearer on the main image as opposed to the thumbnail, which is rather murky.(Ulicus 22:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC))
 * Well, personally I like the current one. Darth Kevinmhk 03:49, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't have a problem with the proposed one if the colors weren't so disorted and it looks very blurry. Looks like the graphics weren't turned up as high as they could be. --Redemption 04:10, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * FFS, can we just leave it. The page will just get banned for another 6 months or whatever! Jasca Ducato 06:55, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Redemption, I did mention the fact that my graphics *suck*. The screenshot would need to be taken by someone with a high end graphics card - this picture was just to give an example of the exact screenshot I'm talking about. (This isn't even a true screenshot, it's two halves of roughly the same screenshot put together. The first time around the face got messed up - the second time around you couldn't see the bottom half of his body. So I stuck 'em together. You can notice the change in colour on his cape.) (Ulicus 08:13, 10 June 2006 (UTC))

"Into the Unknown" "Finding the Star Forge"
I've added a new section between "Mandalorian Wars" and "The Jedi Civil War" that gives details of what Revan and Malak got up to during their search for the Star Forge. It's pretty basic, and it's probably got a load of grammatical errors, but I felt it was a worthwhile addition. It could probably be expanded to include details about each Star Map - like how Revan altered the rakatan computer to act as a test on Kashyyyk, or his building HK-47 to communicate with the Sand People (is that still canon or not?) but I just wanted to get a basic skeleton down first.(Ulicus 03:29, 12 June 2006 (UTC)) Oh - and it seems very likely that Revan and Malak visited Korriban during the Mandalorian Wars for a purpose other than the Star Map, as Bastila says "I know that Revan and Malak visited Korriban at least once". Since she wouldn't know of any visits after the Mandalorian Wars (they disappeared), that's the only real explaination. It was probably around that time that Revan subdued the Sith that had remained on the world (Jorak etc).(Ulicus 18:29, 12 June 2006 (UTC)) __
 * Crap, forgot abotu the other "Into the UNknown", changing it presently.(Ulicus 03:31, 12 June 2006 (UTC))
 * Ok, so now it's "Finding hte Star Forge", I think that's crap and too similar to "Search for the Star Forge", but it'll do for now.(Ulicus 03:33, 12 June 2006 (UTC))
 * I suppose we could go with the slightly cheesy, "The First Search for the Star Forge" and "The Second Search for the Star Forge" ;)
 * Renamed it. Jasca Ducato 16:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Except Revan was already the Dark Lord of the Sith by that point, so he wasn't starting down anything. (Ulicus 17:28, 12 June 2006 (UTC))
 * We don't actually know that! We never find out the exact time that cutscene takes place. From what i gathered they found it before they went on the Mandalorian Wars, thus starting down the path. Jasca Ducato 17:30, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Before? Almost certainly not. But during? Possibly. Regardless, I think "Dark Odyssey" works better. It gives a decent description what they're embarking upon, it doesn't make the assumption that they're "starting" down the dark path and it's a little nod to the Odyssey Engine as well. (Ulicus 17:33, 12 June 2006 (UTC))
 * And why certainly not before? Jasca Ducato 17:38, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Because it is stated that Revan learnt Korriban's location from Malachor V - had he discovered the Dantooine Star Map *before* going to Malachor V, he would have learnt Korriban's location from that Star Map. Because of this, it's pretty much universally accepted that it was on Malachor V that he learnt of the Star Forge.(Ulicus 17:53, 12 June 2006 (UTC))
 * Then why does Malak fear the reprucussions of their actions in the temple mound on Dantooine? He wouldn't excately be afraid if he was laready a Sith would he? besides, how would Revan have learnt of the Star Map, on Korriban, on Malachor V? What i mean is that there isn't a Star map on Malachor V, so that makes no sense! If that is the case i think its just a programmers error. They found the first map on Dantooine before the Mandalorian Wars. Jasca Ducato 18:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Why would he have gone to Korriban during the Mandalorian Wars!?! He would have been fighting the Mandalorians! You have basically just proved my point. They travelled to Korriban 'purely for the reason that the Star Map was on the planet. Jasca Ducato 18:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Jasca. Firstly, Revan found time to go to Malachor V and study the ways of the Sith during the Mandalorian Wars. It is quite possible for a general to lay plans for a battle and not be present at the battle itself. There is nothing stopping Revan and Malak from having been to Korriban shortly after Revan learnt of its location from Malachor V. We know for a *fact* that Revan learnt of Korriban's location from Malachor V - indisputable - it was mentioned enough times. So he can't have found the first Star Map before Malachor V. I'm not suggesting that there was a Star Map on Malachor V, just that there was information hinting at the Star Forge leading him to them.

Secondly, as the article explains, Malak was "fresher" to the dark side than Revan, and was essentially deluding himself into thinking that they still had a "get out clause" of the whole "Sith business". You'll remember that he *also* says "the dark side is strong here, I can feel its power" - whilst looking pretty damn happy to be basking in it. He's a Sith (or on the road to becoming one), but that doesn't mean he's fully confident in everything he's doing yet. Revan on the other hand, is a Sith.

Thirdly, Revan was wearing his Sith Robes in the Dantooine vision. It could be argued that he was only wearing them "in the dream", as a way for mindwiped Revan's subconcious mind to hide the truth from himself, but as far as we know - canonically, Revan was already a dark sider clad in Sith Robes when he visited Dantooine for the first Star Map. It is unlikely that this was before the Mandalorian Wars - though I wouldn't be surprised if it was *during* the wars, sometime after they visited Malachor V. In fact, they could have visited Dantooine and Korriban for the Stap Maps *during* the wars, then visited Manaan, Kashyyk and Tattooine *after*. That actually makes more sense to me and works with what we're told in K2. (Ulicus 19:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC))

"Revan found time to go to Malachor V and study the ways of the Sith during the Mandalorian Wars. It is quite possible for a general to lay plans for a battle and not be present at the battle itself"
 * Ulicus. Firstly;

- Ulicus

I highly doubt that, apart from the fact that it was a world under Mandalorian control up until the battle of Malachor V that would be impossible. It is possible, but its also been mention enough times that he was present at the battle, he killed the Mandalore at the battle!

"Secondly, as the article explains, Malak was "fresher" to the dark side than Revan, and was essentially deluding himself into thinking that they still had a "get out clause" of the whole "Sith business". You'll remember that he *also* says "the dark side is strong here, I can feel its power" - whilst looking pretty damn happy to be basking in it. He's a Sith (or on the road to becoming one), but that doesn't mean he's fully confident in everything he's doing yet. Revan on the other hand, is a Sith."

- Ulicius

We don't actually know how and when they "fell" to the darkside, everything points to the Trayus academy, but thats not set in stone, Kreia has said that enough times! You'll remember that many have said that same thing and NOT been Sith!

"Thirdly, Revan was wearing his Sith Robes in the Dantooine vision. It could be argued that he was only wearing them "in the dream", as a way for mindwiped Revan's subconcious mind to hide the truth from himself, but as far as we know - canonically, Revan was already a dark sider clad in Sith Robes when he visited Dantooine for the first Star Map. It is unlikely that this was before the Mandalorian Wars - though I wouldn't be surprised if it was *during* the wars, sometime after they visited Malachor V. In fact, they could have visited Dantooine and Korriban for the Stap Maps *during* the wars, then visited Manaan, Kashyyk and Tattooine *after*. That actually makes more sense to me and works with what we're told in K2."

- Ulicius

Secondly, it has been proven that they [his robes] were also worn by Revan during his time as a Jedi. He adopted them for his Sith robes after he fell to the darkside. Remember, we don't know the initial reason why Revan fell, so he could easily have began his fall before the war. Remember what Zhar said in K1; "Revan often came to me[&hellip;]how to best leave the order"

- Zhar .

That was before the Mandalorian War! Why would he be wanting to leave the Order after the war, he was already a Sith by then! There you go, all your points have been counter-proven! Anything else? Jasca Ducato 19:37, 12 June 2006 (UTC) ____________________________________________________________________________ "There you go, all your points have been counter-proven!"

- Jasca

You mean all the points you *think* I've been making? :D "I highly doubt that"

- Jasca

It doesn’t matter if you doubt it, it has its precedent in real world history. Generals lay the plans and strategies for battles and though they can be present during a battle, they don’t *necessarily* have to be present during a battle. I didn't deny Revan was present at the Battle of Malachor however, as I'll address below... "apart from the fact that it was a world under Mandalorian control up until the battle of Malachor V that would be impossible."

- Jasca

No it wasn’t. The Mandalorians avoided the planet like the plague because it was a cultural taboo for them. Revan lured them there. "It is possible, but its also been mention enough times that he was present at the battle, he killed the Mandalore at the battle!"

- Jasca

When did I deny he was at the Battle of Malachor V? Revan discovered Malachor V in *before* the battle there, and studied the ways of the Sith *before* the battle there. It is unspecified when exactly during the wars he found Malachor V. All we know is that he lured the Mandalorians to Malachor at the END of the war.

I was (quite clearly) referring to Revan and Malak possibly visiting Dantooine and Korriban *after* Revan had studied at the Trayus Academy but *before the end* of the Wars, not the battle of Malachor.

You did this in the Jedi Civil War talk page too – please read my posts through properly before responding to them. You'll save yourself some grief :) "We don't actually know how and when they "fell" to the darkside, everything points to the Trayus academy, but thats not set in stone, Kreia has said that enough times!"

- Jasca

Actually the evidence points to Revan slowly turning over the course of the Mandalorian Wars and then finally making his choice at Malachor V. That doesn't matter however, since I was referring specifically to Revan’s acquisition of Sith knowledge, which definitely *did* occur at the Trayus Academy. It is more than likely that he was walking the dark path (though had not fully embraced/realised it) before Malachor V.

This is irrelevant however, since we know Revan discovered the location of Korriban at Malachor, not at Dantooine.

Therefore, he *was* the Dark Lord in the Dantooine cutscene, and *must* have found that Star Map during or after the war. Besides, why would he have wanted a factory for churning out an infinite fleet *before* the war? He needed the Star Forge for his plans to stop the True Sith.

And:

“Kreia has said” what enough times? What are you talking about? Are you referring to her “Did Revan fall?” comments? "You'll remember that many have said that same thing and NOT been Sith!"

- Jasca

You’re going to have to be a little more specific and give me some examples of what you mean, because I’ll confess you’ve confused me here. Are you talking about the masters discussing the whens and hows of Revan's fall? "Secondly, it has been proven that they [his robes] were also worn by Revan during his time as a Jedi. He adopted them for his Sith robes after he fell to the darkside."

- Jasca

Ok, give me this proof – there might well be some that I’m not aware of. Yuthura talks of Darth Revan being known for wearing “full helmet and cape”, is that what you meant? That proves nothing.

And even if he *did* wear the robes as a Jedi - which wouldn't surprise me - the fact remains that Revan discovered the location of Korriban *at Malachor V* - not on Dantooine. So he *must* have gone to Malachor V before he went to Dantooine for the first Star Map. You didn’t even begin to address that in your response. "Remember, we don't know the initial reason why Revan fell, so he could easily have began his fall before the war."

- Jasca

Yeah, he could have done. It's even suggested by Vrook. *Shrug* Your point? I’m not even arguing against that. "That was before the Mandalorian War! Why would he be wanting to leave the Order after the war, he was already a Sith by then!"

- Jasca

Where did I suggest he went for training after the wars? You've lost me!!! Help!

Anyway, from the information we are given in K1 and K2, the conclusions we *have* to draw are:


 * Revan learnt the ways of the Sith on Malachor V (regardless of whether or not he was already dark beforehand)
 * Revan discovered the location of Korriban on Malachor V
 * This excludes the possibility that he found the Dantooine Star Map (which also gives the location of Korriban) before he became the Dark Lord/a Sith
 * Which in turn, excludes the possibility that he found the map before the wars, *unless* of course he went to Malachor V before the wars, which is unlikely considering the other information we have.

This is getting a little unnecessarily heated, so I want you to be aware that I don't harbour any ill-feelings, nor am I trying to "make you look stupid", but you haven't really addressed any of my points in your responses, instead you've addressed a bunch of points you *think* I've been making, but I haven't.

This has all stemmed out of you believing that it's possible that Revan and Malak found the Dantooine Star Map before Revan was a Sith Lord. Once you take KotOR 2 into account however, this is simply not possible, no matter how much you might want to believe it.

Peace. (Ulicus 21:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC))
 * Holy hell, that was quite the two-sided rant... I'm not sure that I want to wade into this one, but I guess I will. Virtually everything that Ulicus stated is firmly backed up by the Chronicles of the Old Republic and KotOR II. If you need proof Jasca Ducato, check out the entire block of text that I quoted from the Chronicles above. That particular information is supported by dialog from the game, so their really isn't anything left to argue about. And lastly Jasca Ducato, please actually read someone's posts before attempting to form a reply, otherwise you are just wasting space AND other people's time. --Sentry [ Talk ] 04:27, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

"Cult of Personality"
I've removed the part that mentions Revan having "developed a sizable cult of personality". Whilst it just about might work if taken as an analogy, it's a little too extreme and not really accurate. I shouldn't have put it in in the first place really - I just liked the political connotations.

If it is re-inserted, it should be done in such away that Revan's status is *compared* to that of a cult of personality, rather than saying that he's actually developed one. The language is too strong for what is actually implied in the game - we know that most young Jedi admired Revan, looked up to him and according to Juhani, those who followed him "talked about him all the time", but to go as far to say "cult of personality"? Hmmm... I think I was overstepping the line there. He might have developed it as he got further involved in the Mandalorian Wars, but it's unlikely that he did so whilst still in the Jedi Order.(Ulicus 12:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC))

Jedi Training Edit
Changed the “Jedi Training” section a bit, below are the main changes and the justifications for them:

 The implication that Revan went for “additional training” with Zhar whilst Kreia’s padawan 

Zhar’s statements in KotOR tell us that Revan “often came to [him] for additional training”

This implies that at that point, Revan was studying beneath another Master, since otherwise he would neither “come to him” (he’d already be there), or be getting “additional training”, since Zhar would *be* his trainer.

From the bitterness in which she mentions Zhar, one would assume that Kreia was Revan’s “proper master”(and first master) at this point. Since Zhar mentions that he was “still on Coruscant”, and Kreia herself mentions Zhar before saying “and other Jedi, on other planets”, it thus follows that Revan and Kreia were both on the same planet as Zhar – which Zhar tells us is Coruscant.

So, since we know that Revan actually adopted Zhar as his “proper master”, it follows that he did this straight after finally finishing with Kreia - which allowed him to move onto Zhar entirely (as opposed to it being ‘additionally’).

Fom this point on, Revan “Master hops” to Dorak and Kae (unless Kae is, you know, Kreia) and the others, exhausting each of them before moving on to the next.

 Studying Force Bonds 

The quote is as follows:

It was rumored that Revan studied such bonding deeply, both through the Jedi histories and with certain teachers, before he left the Order and went to war. - Mical

So I felt it was worth putting in. Maybe it has some relation to how a bond was quickly formed between him and Bastila? (Beyond the fact that she saved his life with the Force). Who knows? It's interesting regardless. (Ulicus 22:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC))

Removed Image
I removed the image that Darth Oblivion inserted at the end of the Mandalorian Wars section. Besides the fact that it was of terrible quality (I should know, I uploaded it to Wookieepedia), it's placement wasn't particularly great.

If people do make changes, could they please justify those changes on the talk page? You know, rather than just wandering off :P (Ulicus 16:35, 19 June 2006 (UTC))

It was my fault. I apologize.--Darth Oblivion 15:24, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * No harm done, t'was easily edited after all. (Ulicus 12:03, 23 June 2006 (UTC))

Lightsaber colors in KOTOR II
The first time I played through, the vision of Revan did indeed have one purple blade and one red blade as mentioned in the article. Oddly, the second time, he had on blue and one red.--Darth Oblivion 15:28, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You sure? You might've been playing with your TV/monitor colors. Otherwise, it's a glitch. I've played through the game several (understatement) and it's always been purple and red. Redemption 19:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)