Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Hija

Hija

 * Nominated by: Darth Morrt 10:31, September 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments:Second article of my "source by source" project from the ANH novel.

Support

 * 1) The quality of this article is now much hija. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie  the truth  ) 00:25, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Hija kids, Hija wife, and Hija husband, cuz they're  Menkooroo 12:51, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) I remember when this was a stub a long time ago, now like many other ex-stubs possibly a good article :)Hanzo Hasashi 21:22, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4)  Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 15:40, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Passing objection

 * Something is wrong with the Bts quote. Please fix. 1358  (Talk) 18:55, September 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Darth Morrt 13:46, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Something's wrong with reference 7, too. It doesn't look nice at the moment 1358  (Talk) 16:41, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Darth Morrt 10:44, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Could you expand the intro a bit? It seems a bit short at the moment. 1358  (Talk) 22:03, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Expanded. Darth Morrt 22:52, September 24, 2010 (UTC)

Hija there!

 * References go after punctuation.
 * in charge of the gunnery stations of the ship You should mention his actual rank as opposed to it's description. Also, could there be an article for chief gunnery officer?
 * Oh, can you also get one for gunnery captain? SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie  the truth  ) 03:53, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Page created. Darth Morrt 10:44, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hija had the necessary skills and traits to complete his training at the Imperial Academy If he passed, why isn't it in the bio? Or is this just an assumption based on the fact that he is in the Navy?
 * It is just an assumption. I reworded it to be true even for an incompetent nephew of a VIP. Darth Morrt 13:46, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Eh, still an assumption, really. There's nothing to suggest that he passed in Academy, although it would be a logical inference. It should be removed entirely. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie  the truth  ) 03:53, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * It was accepted to assume that Bodo Baas's Master was a Jedi, who completed the Jedi training, when I worked on that article. Altough it is not stated, that he/she was actually a Jedi, not an autodidacta Force-user. Couldn't I apply the duck-test here? Hija is an officer of the Navy, who graduated from the Academy, like every other officers of the Navy - until some source tells otherwhise. Darth Morrt 10:44, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, thinking about it, I don't think the Bodo Baas' Master article should make that sort of assumption... Did the source say "padawan" or "apprentice"? Back to the article at hand, if you want that statement to stay, you should at least find a source stating that Imperial officers have to pass through the academy. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie  the truth  ) 11:23, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I would like to keep it. Sourced from Imperial Sourcebook (Second Edition). Darth Morrt 14:24, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, it's workable, I suppose. Don't be surprised if this pops up in someone else's review though. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie  the truth  ) 00:25, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * recognize his doing. Could you find another way to say that? Doing isn't the best word to use in a majority of cases.
 * Speculation in the BTS should be removed.
 * I'm not sure that the bit about Spaced is notable. Your thoughts?
 * The bit about the Spanish meaning should be removed. Normally, these things are only allowed when the meaning has a direct relationship with the subject.
 * Spelling mistake in BTS
 * I've got a second pun ready for my support vote, provided I don't forget :P SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie  the truth  ) 09:14, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Darth Morrt 13:46, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hija? That means "Daughter" in Spanish. It should be in the Behind the scenes section. --Lord David 14:00, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * It is most likely just coincidence. Darth Morrt 16:30, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes; if it isn't confirmed that the name comes from Spanish, it shouldn't be added. 1358  (Talk) 17:16, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm sure it was a coincidence too, but regardless of wether that's the name's origin or not, it is like some kind of "curiosity", and I've seen many things like that in other articles.--Lord David 14:50, September 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can see this kind of curiosities, but not in quality articles (CA, GA, FA) Darth Morrt 11:16, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I never thought such "detail" could make the quality of the article lower. But if you don't want to put it then don't do it.--Lord David 02:08, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * If it's trivia unrelated to the subject, it should be kept out. If there were any confirmation that this guy's name and the spanish word were related, it would be noteworthy. Also, please remember to strike your original objection, else the article won't be able to pass. Menkooroo 15:53, October 1, 2010 (UTC)

Byeja

 * "during the rise of the galactic civil war" sounds kinda odd. I can see "rise" being associated with a group, like the Empire, but I think "early stages" might be a better word choice.
 * Context needed on Darth Vader in the intro (even just "Lord" or something).
 * "to stop the plague..." what plague? Specify.
 * Maybe mention who ordered him not to fire in the intro.
 * Is the bio quote from The Lesser Evil? If so, source it to that, not to the SOTE sourcebook. If not, you're all good. :^D
 * Similarly, if the info in the bio is from The Lesser Evil, it needs to be sourced to that.
 * Does The Lesser Evil/SOTE sourcebook state that Falleen is in the mid rim? If not, it'll need to be sourced to something else.
 * Right now, "Hija was one of the chief gunnery officers of the ship when the Devastator" is sourced to The Essential Atlas. It should look something like this: "Hija was one of the chief gunnery officers of the ship when the Devastator arrived at the[5] Mid Rim planet[4] Falleen as a part of Lord Vader's exploration tour visiting Imperial weapon development projects.[5]" I could have sofixedit, but hopefully it'll be a sourcing tip you can keep in mind for the future. :^)
 * Fixed. I used two different source. Vader's exploration trip is from the Fact Files, but chief gunnery officer can be sourced only to other. Darth Morrt 16:11, October 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * The first sentence of the bio's second paragraph really drags on. Can you split it up?
 * A little info on who Senator Organa is and why Vader wanted to capture her corvette is in order.
 * A New Hope doesn't actually state that he was ordered to hold his fire in order to conserve power --- is that an assumption, or is the info from another source?
 * Give context on the DS-1 Orbital battle station. What is it? Is it the Empire's? Why does Artoo have the plans for it?
 * I actually agree with Soresu's objection --- if no source states that Hija specifically attended the Imperial Academy, then the article can't assume it. He could have been an exceptional case --- no matter how unlikely it seems, the fact remains that we don't know and can't assume. However --- I feel like the sentence could be reworded to convey the same information without making an assumption. Something like "Hija was a lieutenant[2], a rank in the Imperial navy that was awarded to crew-man cadets who completed training at the Imperial Academy.[7] IMO, that would be OK. Whaddya think?
 * In an effort to slightly beef up the p&t, maybe it'd be worth mentioning that he followed orders unhesitatingly. There are two instances of it to source, after all.
 * "Hija is addressed as "Chief Pilot", although he managed the weapons." Tense switch there --- can you keep it consistent? Menkooroo 15:53, October 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think all are fixed. The novel's Bolvan-Hija dialog is different from the film's. In the novel, Bolvan adds "don't waste your power" at the end. I added this dialog to the P&t as a quote, but I have cut the words that don't match with the film. Darth Morrt 15:21, October 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just one more --- the final sentence of bts should be sourced to Visual Guide 4: Artoo's Mission, as it's not a self-sourcing statement. And I feel like you'll need to find a source confirming that Foster ghost-wrote Star Wars --- that info isn't available in any published version of the book, so it's not self-sourcing. The jacket of The Approaching Storm hardcover states it, off the top of my head... Menkooroo 00:58, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have a .lit e-book titled: Star Wars - Episode IV - A New Hope - From the Journal of the Whills - by George Lucas - Revised Forth Draft - January 15, 1976. It is the full script of the film. I was referring to this, not to the Visual Guides.
 * OK... so source that, then. Menkooroo 02:54, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Isn't it selfsourcing then? Or this is not a real published work? It doesn't have its own article. Maybe my version is just a cut from Star Wars: The Annotated Screenplays. I source it to the Visual Guides. Darth Morrt 09:26, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think it would only be self-sourcing if it were a published work that we had an article on that the reader could check out. ... Do we have an article on it? :/ Anyway, great job with the article. :^D Menkooroo 12:45, October 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Foster sourced. It is in the inner side of the softcover edition's back cover too. Darth Morrt 02:47, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

Jujiggum

 * "In 0 BBY, during the Galactic Civil War, Hija was still serving as a chief gunnery officer&hellip;" What do you mean, "still"? You never said that he was in that position before, so how can he "still" be there?
 * He is mentioned as chief gunnery officer in the third sentence of the Bio.
 * Wow, dunno how I overlooked that. Sorry. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 14:09, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * "While the troopers of the 501st elite stormtrooper legion boarded the captured corvette&hellip;" Wait, so it's captured? The last time you mentioned it they were still in pursuit of the corvette.
 * Fixed.
 * You make it sound as though the escape pods were sentient beings who were trying to get away. :P Please clarify that this wasn't the case.
 * Fixed.
 * The P&T quote is formatted incorrectly. If you intend to show that there was a brief pause between each speaking line, then no parentheses or elipses are actually necessary. However, if you are putting them there in order to indicate some words being left out, then they should be encased in brackets as opposed to parentheses, like so: [&hellip;].
 * Fixed. I have cut the words, that are different in the film.
 * Nice work. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 04:20, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review and for the fixes. However, I am not completely agree with two of your changes on the article. In the Intro, I mentioned "Vader's later flagship", because I can't prove, that Devastator was his flagship in 7 BBY. In Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Praji, Vader moved his flag from Vengeance (Datar) to Devastator early in the Civil War. A ship doesn't automatically becames flagship if Vader is aboar, does it? In the Bio image, I said "this escape pod", because there were other pods, that were fired on. Your opinion? Darth Morrt 11:19, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, to the first point: I see your reasoning here. Definitely go ahead and reword it, but "Vader's later flagship" just read very awkwardly and didn't make a whole lot of sense without the explanation you just gave me (which obviously you can't stick in the article). As for the second: it is better to say "the escape pod" because in the body we identify the situation and the particular escape pod, so we don't have to reintroduce it over again. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 14:09, October 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Reworded. The mention of flagship is cut from the Intro and clear in the Bio. Darth Morrt 09:07, October 25, 2010 (UTC)

Toprawa

 * ANH radio drama, ANH radio drama script, ANH PhotoComic, Star Wars: Behind the Magic, ANH book-and-record, whatever this is, Star Wars: The Annotated Screenplays, and the Marvel ANH adaptations all need to be checked for new info and inclusion into the Appearances and Sources lists. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:27, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * The scene is missing from the radio drama, photocomic, original book-and-record. I didn't find Hija in BtM and asked other users to check the three other source. Darth Morrt 11:55, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

Comments

 * The Bts's uniform section was added before I began to expand the article. I am not sure, whether it should be kept or cut. Darth Morrt 10:31, September 21, 2010 (UTC)