Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Force Speed


 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a good article nomination that was successful. Please do not modify it.

Force Speed

 * Nominated by: Grunny 03:42, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: About time to add a Force Power to the Good articles list :)

(2 ACs/3 Users/5 Total)
Support
 * 1) Has seen a great deal of improvement over the past week. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 03:30, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Exponential improvement over last few days.  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 20:11, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Allow me to echo the statements of others. Congratulations on doing so well on such an unorthodox topic.  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:03, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) It's fine. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 03:53, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 5)  —Tommy9281 [[Image:Dark Side Master TotG.jpg|17px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 17:04, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Uh-oh. Not sure how this is going to work. Abilities do not have an entry in the layout guide.
 * 2) *Assuming we overcome the first step, there are some things that could be improved.
 * 3) ** Missing alot of info from KotOR. Mention possibitity of Revan/Exile using it in the BtS.
 * 4) ***There is no canon proof that says either of them knew Force speed. It is possible for any jedi to learn this so saying that they may have used it is unimportant to the article as well. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 07:27, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) ****It still needs to be noted as a possible practitioner. It's what we've always done on KoTOR related articles.
 * 6) ** Missing variations from KotORs. Knight speed and Master speed, if I recall. Might get some info from the in-game descriptions.
 * 7) ***No stats but Master and Knight might need their own articles but yes they should have blurbs in a variations section.
 * 8) ****Variations are not meant to have individual articles (see mind trick). Agree on a variats section though.
 * 9) *****I added a variations section. Grunny 05:08, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) ** Overall expansion. I'm sure we can get more on this topic. At the moment, less than half of the sources are used. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 04:17, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) ***Yeah I know it doesn't have an entry in the layout guide, but I thought that every Wookieepedia article should be able to become a good article if it has enough information so maybe we could work out a layout for abilities??
 * I'll mention the possibility of Revan/Exile using it in the BtS :).
 * As I said above it is unimportant to the article. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 07:27, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well I think it is. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 07:43, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I was going to add Knight Speed and Master Speed but the power descriptions for both say that they both gain double movement speed, the only difference from burst of speed is that they boost defense and attack. So, I decided to leave it out as they seemed more like game mechanics but I'm no expert on the game so if you could help with KotOR stuff that'd be great :).
 * As for the sources, the core rulebooks basically say the same thing as all the others saying that using the Force a Jedi can increase their speed, so I found it superfluous. If anyone can help expand please do I was only trying to improve the article :-). Grunny 04:55, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) IFYLOFD:
 * 2) * Are you serious? The article is mostly list, that goes against the Layout Guide.
 * 3) * It's painfully short, use all the sources available, which is GAN rule 3.
 * 4) **It uses all the sources and is far longer :).Grunny 13:38, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) * Unsourced statements in BtS.
 * 6) **Sourced :).Grunny 13:38, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) * Intro sources are unnecessary.
 * 8) **Gone. Grunny 13:38, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) *This needs a lot of work to be even considered for GA.  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 05:08, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) **I tried fixing some of those things probably still not enough. Sorry, I just wanted to improve the article :S. Grunny 05:34, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) Naru's Death Note Entry
 * 12) * I don't think Revan and the Exile should be mentioned because it is unknown if they could use it. I never teach it to my Revan, I have Juhani for that.
 * 13) **I changed it to say it is possible for the player to learn the power, is that better since it doesn't associate the power with the Exile or Revan? Grunny 01:14, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) ***I think "Jedi in the player's party" may be better. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 23:43, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) * I know "Force augmented speed" is in more sources than that. More roleplaying books and EU books in general.
 * 16) ** Say that Force Speed is also sometimes called "Force augmented speed" in the intro. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 07:28, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 17) ***How's that? :) Grunny 08:19, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 18) * Its appearance in the EU before it appeared in TPM is not notable.
 * 19) **It's gone :). Grunny 01:14, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 20) * The whole thing is an amalgum of blurbs.
 * 21) **Hopefully addressed. Grunny 13:38, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 22) * This article is not broad in coverage.
 * 23) **It could probably be a bit more broad but I think its good for a GA.
 * 24) * NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 07:33, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 25) **I fixed it just missing a quotation mark :). Grunny 08:19, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 26) * It barely even mentions what it actually does and it does not say anything that this can also mean that they use the Force to speed their muscles up, not just slow everything down, or that both methods can be used.
 * 27) *It would be a good idea to start from scratch NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 07:38, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 28) **I've started rewriting it, at least we can improve the article. Grunny 09:22, 14 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 29) SoresuMakashi (again)
 * 30) * Hmmm... I'm surprised I didn't notice this stuff earlier. Please note that all referencing occurs after punctaution, not before it.
 * 31) **I've moved them to after punctuation. Grunny 12:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 32) * You use him a few times in the first paragraph of the Applications section. Avoid using specific genders.
 * 33) **Done :).Grunny 12:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 34) * Some more images. I'm thinking maybe one from TPM and one from the Jedi Knight game series would be quite nice.
 * 35) **I'll see if I can find some tomorrow :-).Grunny 12:07, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 36) **I added an image of Kyle Katarn using it, what do you think of it?? Grunny 13:03, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 37) ***It's good. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 06:22, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 38) * While I think this article could still use a lot of expansion, its quality has definitely improved. Nice job with the list to prose conversion, it's much more integrated and fluid now. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 11:24, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 39) From the scratchpad of Atarumaster88
 * 40) * The "Knight" and "Master" speed designations are game mechanics. It would be preferably to say that it was possible to increase one's speed even further through dedicated study of the technique, or something like that. Regardless, those two subsections should go.
 * 41) **Done :-).  Grunny  (Talk) 09:49, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 42) * No information at all from LotF? Nuh-uh. Please address.
 * 43) **Added and referenced.  Grunny  (Talk) 07:44, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 44) * All Jedi from Battlefront II are users of Force Speed, AFAIK. Furthermore, there should be a users section detailing known users of Force Speed. As a guide, I'm using my saber form articles to give me a rough guestimate for a suitable layout.
 * 45) **Added section.  Grunny  (Talk) 07:44, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 46) * Given that many, many Jedi are seen by observers to be moving quite fast while dueling, I would think that those would be instances of Force Speed, no? If so, then this will need serious expansion. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 17:56, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 47) Brooklyn's finest:
 * 48) * Straight out the gate I noticed underlinking. Please make sure everything with an article is linked once in the intro, and once in the article body.
 * 49) **I linked alot more and hopefully got them all :).  Grunny  (Talk) 07:44, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 50) * Also, the appearances list is incomplete at best, with the first instance coming to mind being one involving Roan Shryne in RoDV. I'm sure that as I pick my brain I can find a few more that you missed, but this is your endeavor, and that task is yours.
 * 51) **Added the RoDV appearance and info, thanks for pointing that one out :-). I'm doing a search for appearances at the moment.  Grunny  (Talk) 14:29, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 52) *And these at a cursory glance. Force powers make me nervous for GAN/FANs, because of the fact they aren't always named specifically when written about by many authors. Hopefully you'll be able to make this one as complete as possible. Until then&hellip; —Tommy9281 [[Image:Dark Side Master TotG.jpg|17px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 13:38, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 53) You've started reffing before punctuation in the users section again.  07:19, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 54) *Woops :S, fixed :).  Grunny  (Talk) 16:07, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 55) **You just need to get Tommy's support, then just ask Naru to vote since all his objections have been addressed. 23:39, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Comments
 * 1) Hey Grunny, I've been watching you lately with considerable interest. I'm glad to see you keep on truckin. Don't get discouraged, and keep up the good work. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Dark Side Master TotG.jpg|17px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 13:38, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) *Thanks alot Tommy9281, I'll do my best :-).  Grunny  (Talk) 14:29, 8 January 2009 (UTC)