Talk:Luke Skywalker/Archive1

In what story does Luke...
Destroy an army of Super Battle Droids? anyone think the talents section should have some citations?

Chosen One
In Chosen One article, the possibility that Luke is the REAL Chosen One, and not Anakin, is equally explored and nobody has objected all those days the article is around. But when I added this possibility in the first paragraph, it was reverted without explanation. Why? Moff Rebus 09:13, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC) Luke is the worst fighter ever in the trilogy, and quite a poor Force user. I mean come on! Did you see the fights in the prequels? The difference in skill and grace is explained fairly easily. Darth Vader is middle-aged and in a life support suit (Which also caused him to lose much of his Force mastery). Obi-Wan is old and out of practice (Though he was still younger than Qui-Gon, and Dooku), and the best reasons I can come up with for him not doing all kinds of flips, twists, and lunges and killing Vader with little effort (Seeing as he defeated Vader when he was still able-bodied) is he either wanted to die(which is gay), or he had not practiced even once since he went into exile. My conclusion is: Luke just plain sucks. I mean just consider what state Vader is in, and think. "That eighteen-year-old can barely beat (and fights with around the same speed as) his crippled, middle-aged father, who needs a breathing apparatus to live. As for the Force user part...You saw how the Jedi where just pushing, pulling and throwing crap all over the place in the prequels, right? (I would hope so because if you didn't, I would consult a doctor) You also saw how quickly they pulled their lightsabers to them right? Well remember Luke in the wampa cave, took like what three minutes or so to pull his saber as apposed to three seconds or less? Another thing was when he entered Jabba's palace in ROTJ unarmed(Which by the way has no visible motive, I mean why didn't he just hack his way in? I know it was in R2-D2 but why?) He slowly pushed the Jabba's guards one at a time into the wall. Just imagine a Jedi from the prequels marching in saber drawn cutting them all down and blowing them into walls like rag dolls, until he reached his goal. That sums up to one pathetic Jedi:-)
 * Beacuse that is just an assumption, which has no place here. --Imp 09:14, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Especially since GL specifically stated that Luke *isn't* the Chosen One. QuentinGeorge 09:50, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately. :) Thanos6 22:11, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * a.) He recieved very little training. b.) Obi-Wan had more experience. c.) He was holding back so aas not to hurt his fathher. d.) Does "1977" mean anything to you? Rod

Then they should remake the original trilogy and both improve the overall quality, and tie up the loose ends. Palps

He was also using form I, a slow practical kendo-like style that does not use many fancy pointless flips and flourishes. Luke was quite skilled considering the little training he had had.

Anakin is the most skilled force user by far for his age.....in the pod racing he force pulled the damaged part towards him withought any trainig when he was ten...this proves he is by far mor powerful by luke in the force..


 * Not only has George Lucas stated that Anakin IS the Chosen One, Luke was also not the one that brought balance to the Force by killing the Emperor - Anakin did. Anakin also has a much higher midichlorian count (despite all of us hating midichlorians :) ). Just deal with it. Doran 05:45, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * This issue is non-debateable. GL declared that Ani is the Chosen One. Darth Kevinmhk 05:49, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Inbetween DE and NJO
I know there is a lot of material to cover with Luke (as he's a major character in almost every novel), but the article current glosses over almost everything that happens between Dark Empire and the New Jedi Order books. --SparqMan 04:31, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Gramatical errors and tense changes are rampant.

Currently, this article only covers the events that transpire in Dark Empire 1, and fails to make any mention of DE2 or Empire's End.

Appearances
This article is really starting to take shape. The "Appearances" section is massive. Would an "List of Luke Skywalker appearances" article be suitable with a note that he appears frequently in EU comics and books? --SparqMan 18:21, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Most certainly. In fact, such a page should exist for all major movie characters. A new category, Appearances lists, would hgave to be made as well. Oh, and I'm about to add the comics appearances from the Marvel Star Wars series. --Imp 18:27, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. We're going to get this problem particularly with the "Big Three" of each era - (ie Luke, Leia, Han for all ABY stories, and Obi-Wan, Anakin and Padme for all BBY stories). QuentinGeorge 05:52, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Images
I find it laughable that we only have two images for one of the most important people to this wiki. I request that people please upload more to this article. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:15, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I would do it if I had any idea as to where to find good vidcaps of the films. MarcK 10:02, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I think the page has too many images now lol 02:50, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The first one we should remove is the one labelled "A teenage Luke on Tatooine." First he is not a "teenage" in this picture. Second it's repetitive to the infobox picture. Butthe strange is : I can't find it when I edit the page. I just can't find it. Can you guys? Petiflo 02:56, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Storyline
I'm making fixes to the plot summary-like segments on some of Luke's history, and it makes me wonder if we should really be retelling the entirety of ANH. I don't want to skimp, but it can make the article overly verbose and unwieldy. Thoughts? --SparqMan 17:55, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC) --Imp 18:02, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * We don't want that. Only key points should be included:
 * Meets Obi-Wan Kenobi
 * Meets Han Solo and Chewbacca
 * Joins the Alliance to restore the Republic
 * Destroys the first Death Star

Looking at the history, much of the text that must be replaced came from the first Wikipedia copy. I wouldn't mind seeing much of it replaced. --SparqMan
 * We don't need to tell every minute detail of the films in these character articles. I've thought that for a long time, but I haven't wanted to be the one who suggested the massive cropping necessary. – Aidje talk 20:21, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Homeworld
While Tatooine as not Skywalker's place of birth, I am certain that he would denote it as his homeworld. I think including both pieces of information in the character box is appropriate. --SparqMan 02:23, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Improvement Drive
Please list any work you see as necessary on this article to bring it up to Featured standards:

Additions Changes
 * Important biographical data between Thrawn trilogy and NJO
 * A section on the way Luke has changed since ANH, and his changing views on the Force and the Jedi
 * Correct all tense issues
 * Remove wonky plot descriptions
 * More images of Luke from the movies would make the beginning a little less dry. QuentinGeorge 07:36, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)


 * Um, could you define 'wonky'? I can't figure out what that's supposed to mean. -- Riffsyphon1024 14:46, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Awkward. Verbose. Wrong in some place. --SparqMan 15:06, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, understood. -- Riffsyphon1024 15:30, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Just a minor point, but it says: "In this way, Skywalker and the Jedi grew in strength and power, their skills nearly on par with those of the old Order." Is this fact? I thought Luke's Jedi were equally, if not more powerful than Old Jedi Order ones.

Shouldn't we have something about his role in the Dark Nest crisis?

What lightsaber style does he use....

The infant portraying Luke in Ep. III
Changed the sentence about actors who have portrayed Luke Skywalker. The source for this information is the following PDF file from StarWars.com: http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/release/publishing/img/thefinalchapter.pdf

Luke Skywalker was portrayed by Mark Hamill in the Original trilogy, as well as by Aiden Barton (editor Roger Barton's son) as an infant in Revenge of the Sith

Section Headings

 * I think the headings for Lukes page need to be changed. It has 'establishing a New Jedi Order 25+ ABY', and then goes straight into describing setting up the yavin 4 Praxeum in the JAT. It should really be broken up when his page gets a makeover. Durnar 13:38, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Age
Luke is really 18 in Episode IV, A New Hope, even that Revenge of the Sith is 19 bby, the story of Episode III could had been one year long.
 * This is being debated at Talk: Leia Organa Solo. -LtNOWIS 20:38, 16 Sep 2005 (UTC)

General Skywalker's final mission
Could someone add an explanation of what Luke's final mission as a Rebel Alliance/New Republic general was? The picture beside the The New Republic era heading is kind of confusing since the mission isn't mentioned in the article... or at least I didn't see it being mentioned :) --Tinwe 17:23, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Swarm War Update
I tried my best to make a good addittion, but it is quite length. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Thanks Darthcraigious 01:02, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Duel on Mimban
In actuality, this was a Force illusion and creation, not the real Vader at all, the two would not truly meet until the fateful duel on Bespin.

Source? Thanos6 22:51, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * That's false. Abel Pena has speculated on that, but according to NEC, Vader was all too real. --Master Starkeiller 23:09, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Consider it gone, then. Thanos6 23:11, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Main Image
I found this image. I know I've seen a bigger one before. Think someone can find it?

Cybernetic Implants?
I was Wondering, how come the image of Luke as an Imperial Supreme Commander show him with Vader's Gloves and gauntlets and cybernetic trousers and stuff ? It doesn't make since, Do you think they were trying to make Luke like his Father when turned to the dark Side ? hmmm...-Stoll7234

He is just wearing the armor not the cybernetic implants. And yes it was to signify luke's walking the line between the dark and the light ---Razzy1319 19:00, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Jedi Knight
The caption of the picture of Luke from Jabba's Palace classify's him as a Jedi Knight. But he's not yet. Yoda says so himself. "One thing remains. Vader. You must confront Vader. Only then, a Jedi, will you be." Someone should fix that. I would but I don't know what to change it to nor how to edit captions.

Images

 * Once again, this page is far too image-heavy, especially in the biography section. Fully half of them need to be taken out, IMO. QuentinGeorge 06:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Age Matters Not
Even those Luke is like 30 senonds older, in the relationship between Luke and Leia, does Luke think of Leia as a Big Syster or a Little Syster? What about Leia? Does she see Luke as a Big Brother or a Little Brother? Double D 13:56, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Does it make a difference? It's sister anyway, with and i. - TopAce 18:34, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * there grammer is worse than mine and i have an escuse :P. in anycase i doubt they know, or care. Jedi Dude 18:42, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * They don't know until the swarm warPetiflo 13:33, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Quotes
we need one for the telents section, the dark nest etc. Jedi Dude

Height
What is Luke's real height because Mark Hamill, the actor who portrays him is said to be 1.75 meters, 5ft 9in. In the Star Wars universe his height is listed as 1.72 meters, 5ft 7in - 5ft 8in. User:JainaSolo32

If you ask me, In Hollywood, they can make up anything. What you're talking about is a 3 centimeters differents. It makes no differents. I'm sure most movie characters are not the exact height as the actor/actress who play. Just because Anakin Skywalker is 1.85 meters, it doesn't mean Hayden Christensen is exactly 1.85 meters in real life. Double D 03:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Legacy of the Force
Do you think that Luke will die sometime in the LoTF? User:JainaSolo32

I don't know what "LoTF" is, but nobody live forever. Double D 04:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The title said as much, LoTF = Legacy of the Force. Personally, I guess one of the big 3 (Luke, Leia, Han) will suffer serious problem in the series (dark side / mortally wound / death). I remember NJOE quote some interview of Del Rey staff which said something so big will happen in the series which they cant talk anything about it yet. I very much believe only the fate of the big 3 requires such silence. Darth Kevinmhk 09:43, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Jacen will have his rear served to him on a silver platter. Luke is far more powerful than Jacen, even Jacen acknowledges this, and Luke is still on the dont kill list. DarthMalus 05:04, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, George Lucas had strictly forbidden them from killing off Luke during the NJO series, and in an interview with Shelly Shapiro of LFL, she explicitly states that Luke is the only person who they were forbidden from killing off. That means not even Han and Leia got the same level of protection, and George's the big boss of Star Wars. Considering the canon stance on lifespan, George's iron hands shielding Luke as well as how he was the only safe character, I believe it is unlikely that he would actually give them the green signal to kill off Luke, so the likelyhood of Luke dying, or his death being explained in a novel, is a very shady situation.

Missing stuff, are we?
Maybe this is a tad nitpicky and was done for brevity's sake, but no where is there any mention of Skywalker taking down 5 Jensaari (sp?) at a time. There is also little mention of him destroying the Sun Crusher. His little trip to Nirauan where proposes to Mara, his infiltration of the Cavrilhu pirates and his activities during the First Corellian Crisis are completely neglected. Is this important? I would think so.

Atarumaster88 18:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The reason why there's no mention of Luke destroying the Sun Crusher is....because Luke didn't destroy the Sun Crusher. It was Kyp. However, if there's anything else you want to add, feel free - Kwenn 18:09, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've added a little more, but I'm surprised at the amount of info that's missing here. Some elements also need to be expanded with more detail - Kwenn 18:31, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, there is info missing in the Yuuzhan Vong War. Wasn't Luke poisoned during a duel? User:JainaSolo32

Kwenn, I like the improvement. It covers Luke's activities during the New Rep era much better. JainaSolo32, I believe Luke was poisoned as a result of his duel with Shimrra at the end of I think it was The Unifying Force or whatever the last book of the NJO was.

Atarumaster88 13:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

He was, but its not mentioned, I'll add it.--Master Shan 05:15, 2 July 2006 (UTC)


 * There is still much info of the YV War missing, just added Luke's return to the frontline in Star by Star and his address to the Senate in the same book. Darth Kevinmhk 03:44, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Adding stuff like destruction of Ithor, Lah's truce, expanding Yavin 4 battle, Kyp's influence, the arrest of Skywalkers, the voxyn threat & Mission to Myrkr, Borsk's support to counter Nom Anor, and the official cooperation of the military. Pretty much cover the first 8 novels of the NJO. Darth Kevinmhk 04:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Force choke
So, is there an alternate name for force choke when a Jedi uses it (i.e. Electric judgement in place of Force lightning)? Because, I would think that Luke wouldn't use a dark side power...-Lord vader1414 01:47, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * He had drawn on his hatred when he struck down Vader later in RotJ. Perhaps, without the environment of the Jedi Council breathing over his neck at every turn, he didn't see any problem with choking a couple of piggies. -BaronGrackle 02:50, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * And he didnt choke them to death, he choked them fir a few seconds to make them back off, that's all. Darth Kevinmhk 02:52, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * So, is that a "no" on the alternate name, or...? -Lord vader1414 03:05, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * thats a no..its deffo force choke still. Jedi Dude 12:09, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Okie dokie then. Thanks. -Lord vader1414 19:29, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

You know the only reason electric judgement is not called lighting is because there very different powers.--Darth Malice 19:31, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * yep, but there are alot of ppl in this wiki who don't understand that. Jedi Dude 19:41, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah yes, I havent reached those books yet, but was Luke's green lightning ever officially refered as Electric Judgement in the book? Darth Kevinmhk 02:36, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I think so. And I knew that Electric Judgement was different, I was just trying to think of an example, and that was the first one that came to mind. -Lord vader1414 15:41, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Lord Vader it was never officially refered to as Electirc Judgement, it was called green sparks thats all. Jedi Dude 15:58, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * So, in very strict sense of canon policy, Luke's may not be Electric Judgement at all!! Darth Kevinmhk 16:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * nope, but its likely. but until we know there is no other place to put it, unofficially of course it has been named 'Emerald Sparks' Jedi Dude 16:06, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Really? Okay then. Well, my apologies for sounding like I didn't know what I was talking about. I knew it had a name, but I wasn't sure what. I thought they had refered to it as electric judgement, but I must have gotten mixed up with something else. My bad. -Lord vader1414 16:42, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I'll always think the phrase "Electric Judgment" is funny, even if it is a "completely different power". Imagine how we would feel if we suddenly found out that Luke was using "Respiratory Justice", a Force ability completely different from Choke that uses its target's own Dark Side perversion to suffocate it. Or something. Heh. -BaronGrackle 16:46, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * The force is the will of the user. A force ability, such as choke, and push, and jump, are all abilities used with the force.  But they are not powers.  If Luke wants to shoot green sparks, he can, thats not to say he is not using his will to produce electricity.  Sparks and Lightning are just different versions of the users will.  Palpatine's will was blue, Lukes is green.

Early life
This used to be in the article. Is there a source for it or is it just fanon?
 * Unbeknownst to young Luke, Kenobi returned to the Lars farm a few years later to deliver his father's lightsaber, as he now felt Luke was old enough. Lars, ever fearful of Skywalker following in his father's footsteps, confronted and berated Kenobi, telling him how he didn't want Luke to make the same mistakes Anakin did and how he felt Anakin should have never left his mother and gotten involved with the "foolish idealistic Jedi crusaders" in the first place. He vehemently told Kenobi to leave and to stay away.

Thanks. -Finlayson 03:31, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe it's conjecture from ANH itself. "Your father wanted you to have this when you were old enough, but your uncle wouldn't allow it" implies Obi-Wan tried to give Luke the lightsaber prior to this, or simply talked to Owen about it, and was rebuked. Similarly, the "damn fool idealistic crusade" thing seems to be Obi-Wan quoting Owen, so it's reasonable to surmise Obi-Wan and Owen did discuss Luke's future at some point - especially since they don't meet in RotS - Kwenn 16:10, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I found it! It is mentioned in the novel Old wounds -Jaina Solo
 * Old Wounds is a comic issue, and its currently non-canon. Darth Kevinmhk 01:56, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * So this paragraph contains non-canon information?-Jaina Solo

Cyborg?
Is Luke really a cyborg? He has a prosthetic hand, but that's it. A cyborg is one who cannot live without their mechanical attachments, such as Darth Vader or Lobot. 206.8.10.4 04:06, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * A cyborg was a cybernetic organism, that is, a living organism with mechanical prosthetics. From cyborg's article. Luke is a living organism with a mechanical hand, thus he is a cyborg. Darth Kevinmhk 04:08, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I read the cyborg article. Is there a Star Wars source that states a cyborg is what it is listed as in the article, or is the page merely the musings of Wookiepedians? 206.8.10.4 04:11, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Umm, well you can always pick up the reference materials listed in the Sources section of the cyborg article, though I dont have those listed there. Darth Kevinmhk 04:12, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. If I stumble across them I will find what info I can. Maybe someone who has one of the sources could verify the claims with a quote. 206.8.10.4 04:15, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I checked The Hunt Within source, and only confirms that certain character is a cyborg, but not what a cyborg is. Does anyone have the Field Guide and can they confirm what is on the cyborg page??? 206.8.10.4 04:23, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I checked the New Essential Guide to Droids and it states that people with prosthetics are classed as cyborgs. The book actually has a fair amount of good information about cyborgs. Someone should consider uploading that information to the cyborg page and list the book as a source. 206.8.10.4 14:25, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Last of the Jedi
I have often heard Luke referred to as the last of the Jedi. Several Jedi survived the Clone Wars. Some showed up after the events of the films. Is this because the other Jedi had stopped using the force and abandoned the life of a Jedi to avoid the notice of the Empire?--Darth Oblivion 23:07, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * In G-canon, Luke was indeed the last after Yoda died; combine with C-canon, Luke was still the last: the last who publicly, openly confirm his Jedi identity, even in front of the Sith Lords. Darth Kevinmhk 02:25, 27 July 2006 (UTC)