Talk:Confederacy of Independent Systems/Legends

Does the Confederacy of Independent Systems have a capital world like the Old Republic, Galactic Empire, New Republic and even the Yuuzhan Vong? Most galactic governments have capitals. 222.152.183.188 Geonosis is the capital. The other capitals are Raxus Prime, Utapau, and Mustafar.


 * The CIS was not around long enough to declare a capital world, although surely one of its founding worlds would have been chosen. With its leadership decentralized and constantly on the move, it does not appear that it had a capital. --SparqMan 21:52, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * The "capital" worlds were Raxus Prime (the "founding" capital before Geonosis), Geonosis (until the capture of the planet shortly after the events of Episode II), and finally Mustafar. There were probally other capital worlds throughout the Clone Wars, but I don't believe Utapau was a capital. In the RotS comic adaption, a B-1 battle droid approaches Grievous and reports that the planet has been captured. Which probally means Utapau was never a capital. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 00:20, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Separatist Union
While used interchangeably by the sloppy Lucas, are we sure that all Separatists were CIS members? Dooku also talks about the Separatist Union, and CIS appeared later in the process. Just trying to clear that up --SparqMan 04:39, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Head of State
I find it funny how, according to the article, Sidious led the Confederacy two years AFTER it was dissolved. Plus, it was ruled by the Separatist Council and Dooku, not Sidious. --Imperialles 15:10, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC) I got rid of Sidious. Some one put it back. Dylankidwell 20:59, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Whoever put that in plucked it out of their own head, methinks. I've never seen any source saying the CIS existed AFTER Rots, nor that it was directly ruled by sidious. It should be deleted as non-canonical QuentinGeorge 06:32, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Removed. On another note, wasn't the Confederacy ruled by the Separatist Council, instead of Dooku? --Imperialles 06:35, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but he was "Head of State" - kind of like a King or President in a Parliamentary System. The Council was more like a Parliament/Prime Minister type thingy. QuentinGeorge 06:47, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Um, Sidious was the secret de facto leader of the CIS. So therefore, I put it back into the table. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:24, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Sidious was the de facto secret leader. That is fact. And someone keeps removing it. Can someone do something about this? -- SFH 19:37, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * How about locking the page? Admiral J. Nebulax 19:39, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)

The Empire of the prequel trilogy
The Confederacy is the Galactic Empire of the prequel trilogy. -- Eddyward Telerionus 04:18, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * They're the bad guys, if that's what you mean. Please stop pointing out blatantly obvious similarities such as this one. They are inconsequential to this wiki. Thank you. – Aidje talk 04:50, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, stop pointing out all the information we already know. But in reality, it's not an empire. They're just the bad guys. But stop pointing out these facts that we've known for a while. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 11:51, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I didn't say that the Confederacy was an empire. I'm just comparing things in the prequel trilogy to things in the original trilogy. Stop posting negative comments against me. -- Eddyward Telerionus 20:35, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Then stop posting information which everyone already knows. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:51, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Jack Nebulax, by responding, you're only prompting him to do it again. If it's useless, then ignore it. --SparqMan 21:34, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)

High Human Culture
Did the Confederacy of Independent Systems play a role in the emergence of High Human Culture? The Trade Federation was dominated by Neimoidians, the InterGalactic Banking Clan was dominated by Muuns, the Techno Union by the Skako, the Commerce Guild by the Gossam and the Corporate Alliance by the Koorivar.

The Confederacy's ship and weapons manufacturers were also dominated by aliens. For example, Haor Chall Engineering was controlled by the Xi Char and Baktoid by the Geonosians. The Quarren also manufactured many of the Separatist capital ships most notable the Providence-class Carrier-Destroyers. However, most of the companies loyal to the Republic are dominated by Humans such as Kuat Drive Yards and Rendili StarDrive. Most of its leaders and agents were also aliens with the exception of Count Dooku.

General Grievous was a Kaleesh. The Confederacy also invaded Human worlds and sectors such as Humbarine and the Weemell Sector. Must of the Republic's military was dominated by Humans. If the Confederacy won the war, they would have favoured aliens. The Clone Wars must have divided Humans and Aliens. This explains why the Galactic Empire favours Humans to aliens.

Z
 * Well, I think the EU made it clear that humanocentrism was well established unofficially in the Old Republic, the Empire just made it law, expanded it, and reduced the rights of nonaliens. But you may be right. I also recall hearing a theory that the Clone Wars were why no one likes droids in the OT and post-ROTJ EU. Kuralyov 17:23, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, that is all true. It does appear that way, but also, Palpatine wasn't exactly a fan of non-human species. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:18, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Did any of the species that aligned themselves with the Confederacy of Independent Systems such as the Neimoidians, Muun, Skako, Koorivar, Gossam and Geonosians get enslaved by the Galactic Empire?

Zainal
 * I doubt it, but you never know. According to Star Wars Insider 84's HoloNet News, all of the Separatist-alligned species were going to be forced to sign peace treaties, like Sentepeth Findos. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:51, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, we do know from that as the Clone Wars wore on, COMPOR deported these enemy species from Coruscant. And in the Evasive Action: Recruitment webstrip, we see that some of the Utapauans were enslaved for Palpy's pet projects on Byss etc.--Valin Kenobi 07:18, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * The Episode III novel had Dooku planning to use the CIS's alien nature to bring what amounted to High Human Culture into predominance in the Empire. The fact that this was bouncing around in his head would seem to indicate that Sidious was party to the idea and liked it, and that at the very least the CIS being alien-dominated didn't help non-humans' position under the Empire.  Even if it wasn't a real initiating cause, it undoubtedly made for some nice rhetoric.
 * Well, we know that the CIS was filled with non-Humans. The High Human Culture was due to this. During the Clone Wars, members of the alien species alligned with the CIS were either imprisoned or expelled from Coruscant, possibly meaning that High Human Culture started during the Clone Wars, not after. Admiral J. Nebulax 14:50, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * There were elements of it prior to the Clone Wars (ref: Rogue Planet; Tarkin and Raith Sienar have a discussion wherein Tarkin presents the basic concept of HHC to Sienar), and there were undoubted inter-species issues, but you would be right. Even if the culture wasn't official policy, the seeds were placed in the public mindset during the Clone Wars, if simply because the CIS was so full of aliens in leadership positions.  Placing these seeds would make the application of HHC at a later date far easier, since there would be incidents to refer to in order to incite popular prejudices with.
 * Exactly. During the Clone Wars, many species known to have ties with the Separatists were usually arrested on Republic-loyal worlds. This caused the general public to also become distrustful of these species. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:05, 26 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Image
Instead of the picture of those three, can someone find an image of the Confederacy flag to put up? The NR, Empire, Old Republic, etc., all have flags as their images.Kuralyov 17:23, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC) http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a301/adventfear/Cis.jpg http://img379.imageshack.us/img379/5776/cis9li.png
 * I found nothing online. --Master Starkeiller 18:18, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Why do we have to have that picture up there? All it does is take up space. Plus, it's not even a good image of Grievous. Plus, this topic is about the Separatists, not Ventress, Durge, and Grievous. That's why I'm removing it once again. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:06, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * CIS logo cannot be found. Might need to be scanned. By the way, I did see the logo of the Trade Federation, however it was 1 by 1 pixel. It might possible to find that in a larger format. -- Riffsyphon1024 22:15, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, all we have to do is take the logo of it from another source, say, the image of Grievous's capture of Duro where the flag is, zoom in on the logo, fix it up a bit, and there's the CIS flag. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:24, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * The picture I put there is nice. That is why I scanned it from my comic book, uploaded it, and put it there. At first I placed it in the wrong place, but Riffsyphon1024 corrected me. It is now were it belongs: Key Members of the Confederacy. It isn't harming the article, so please stop removing it. I agree that we should put the logo there. I cropped it from the Duro picture but it didn't look good... If anyone knows any other pictures with it, he may do the same, perhaps it will work. --Master Starkeiller 23:14, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * You might think that picture is nice, but it's not a good shot of any of the three, really. It's only Grievous's head and the crappy animated bodies of Durge and Ventress. At least get a nice looking picture up there of the three. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:39, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * It's the best there is with the three key members of the Confederacy in such dynamic poses... It might actually be the only one with both three... --Master Starkeiller 19:44, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Then let's find ones with only one of them, but one of each. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:53, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * That would be illogical, since we currently have one with both three... --Master Starkeiller 20:12, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * It's a perfectly suitable pic. It should stay there. QuentinGeorge 21:18, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Plus, I think it's awesome. Otherwise I wouldn't torture my Clone Wars Adventures: Volume 3 copy to upload it! --Master Starkeiller 22:15, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't there be a pic of Dooku somewhere on this page too? Unit121 01:31, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * That's true. He is the CIS founder, after all. We could always use the one from Dooku's page. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:15, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I got one:
 * That's not exactly the CIS logo. More of a rip-off version. The really logo is skinnier, looking more like a TIE fighter solar panel, and it's painted blue. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:12, 20 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Btw, the CIS logo does in fact inspire the Empire to create TIEs with that design. -- Riffsyphon1024 01:33, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)
 * Never stated anywhere. Plus, the wing design of the TIE long predates the CIS logo. QuentinGeorge 06:08, 21 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * What about this?--Adventfear 01:10, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)
 * I think that's fine... --Master Starkeiller 06:56, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)
 * Still not the image, though. Look at the picture of Grievous's victory at Duro. Note the banner that battle droids are placing up. Focus in on that image, enlarge it, and there's our image. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 16:15, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)
 * It's good enough for now until another comes along.
 * Well, I guess if no one takes the image from the "Grievous's Triumph on Duro" image and takes the logo, this will have to do. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:31, 21 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * A cropped, sideways little image wouldn't look that good mesa thinks... --Master Starkeiller 14:27, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you for getting AN ACTUAL Separatists logo up there, Starkeiller. Now, hopefully someone will find an larger image like you said. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 18:13, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem. Anyone with a Dooku Unleashed package (new version) could help. --Master Starkeiller 18:51, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

What if?
What would have it been like if the Confederacy of Independent Systems won the war? Probably, the Jedi Knights would also be exterminated since Darth Sidious also controls the Confederacy. Instead of Stormtrooper, we'll be having battle droids and instead of vehicles and vessels manufactured by Kuat Drive Yards, we'll be having craft manufactured by Haor Chall Engineering and Baktoid Armor Workshop.

Is the Confederacy racist? I doubt it though there would still be oppression. Would life under the Confederacy be as bad as the Empire or better? Probably, Coruscant would still be the galactic capital. The Confederacy would also have used its Great Weapon(a Death Star-like superweapon) to destroy planets. I wonder if the Expanded Universe would be a different place if the Confederacy won the Clone Wars? 222.152.239.11
 * Um, not to spoil your party here (even though you are mainly correct), this is for the discussion of the article. There are plenty of other forums throughout the web where you can post your opinions. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:27, 13 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Where do I find a forum? Should our Star Wars Wiki have one?222.152.241.166
 * Well, there's always TheForce.net forums. But I'm just saying, this kind of stuff is not for the Star Wars Wikipedia Talk pages. But, if you get a user name, you could always put a "What If?" section on your user talk page where you can discuss this with others who stop by. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:01, 14 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Improvement Drive
I think that this article should be on the Improvement Drive. Not enough information on this article particularly on the History section. The history section is far too short. Not much detail on the battles involving the Confederacy. Little is also mentioned about its crimes or its actions. This article can be in a much better state. Zainal
 * Well, all that is needed from what you stated would be a more detailed history section. Otherwise, there's really no need for an Improvement Drive sign. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 21:15, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Confederate Characters
Does anybody know who is this guy? He was at one of the episodes of "Clone Wars"



Gonzalo-Wan Kenobi 17:20, 25 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't know where, but I've seen a species name listed next to a character that looked like him. It would be helpful to identify the species as well as the name. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:12, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)


 * Probably, its a Koorivar. I saw it somewhere in the official Star Wars website though I can't remember where to find it. MyNz 20:11, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I was thinking that as well, although it could be a different species. If you could find it, please post the information here. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:18, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I think Leland Chee once said it's a Koorivar but I might remember incorectly. Anyway, he looks too much like a Koorivar not to be one. --Master Starkeiller 14:44, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, we know what Passel Argente looks like, and he's a Koorivar. When things get animated, it's hard to tell what something is/isn't. Admiral J. Nebulax 15:50, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but the nose, and the eyes, and the color... He looks very much like a Koorivar. --Master Starkeiller 16:16, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. All I said was the things seem to morph a bit when animated. Admiral J. Nebulax 17:16, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * It's General Oro Dassyne. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:21, 9 Dec 2005 (UTC)

While locked...
Can someone fix the spelling of Gizor Dellso, since it is incorrect at the moment? Admiral J. Nebulax 20:16, 26 Dec 2005 (UTC)

It never truly had a capital. A. It was a confederacy so it had a capital for each conglomerate of the confederacy. That being their headquarters. B. The CIS' main way to protect was to keep all of it's leaders seperate or, together or not, constantly moving. C. There was a lot of infighting between the different factions which led to division and disagreement on nearly every decision. They would not be able to agree on a capital. Accepting another factions HQ would be like admitting that they were superior (Most of the CIS leaders have huge egos) D. The Confederacy lacked the fortress worlds that the Republic had. There was no easily defensible planet, like Coruscant, the CIS controlled. If you read the books, comics, etc. the CIS was almost always on the run. They could inflict major losses, and even claimed few major victories but they never held a place for long before the Republic stormed it. E. Geonosis was definitely not a capital. It was just a major droid foundry and the place where all the different organizations sealed the deal. Notice the lack of enough droids to fend of a moderate Republic invasion. If it was the capital I'm sure it would've been better reinforced and would not have so readily been sacrificed.