Talk:Qui-Gon Jinn/Legends

About the Sections I added...
I was just wondering if anyone disapproves of the changes I made to sections regarding the Battle of Naboo. If anyone does not approve please tell and I'll put it back to its original state.

OxfordScholar09 20:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Inmortal?
At the end of Revenge of the Sith (The movie) Yoda tell Obiwan that his old master, Qui Gon have learned the skill of Inmortal. This is not despribed in the artikle. How can that be? Did he learn to cheat death like Palpatine or? gram123 00:14, 5 June 2006 (ECT) "After falling at the hands of Darth Maul on Naboo, Qui-Gon continued to have a large impact on the future of the Jedi. Having long ago discovered a way to maintain his identity after death from a "Shaman of the Whills", Qui-Gon attempted unsuccessfully to prevent Anakin's slaughter of the Sandpeople that had killed his mother. He was also known to have often communicated with Yoda through the Force, sometimes in a subtle way.
 * From the article:

Yoda, having discovered Qui-Gon's ability, proclaimed himself Qui-Gon's pupil. The skill was achieved through extreme compassion, a rejection of selfishness and personal attachment to the point that the physical self fades away, but the consciousness remains as one with the Force. He thus defied the conventional and transcended the comtemporary view of the Force as black and white. There were no good or bad actions—only those that benefited the Force.

Yoda learned the technique, and passed this secret on to Obi-Wan Kenobi, who would also train under Qui-Gon Jinn, giving him the ability to aid Luke Skywalker where it would otherwise have been impossible. Thus even in death, Qui-Gon's rebellious nature served the greater good." - Kwenn 22:17, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Homeworld
It was said in JA #3 that his home planet contained to River of Light; that's where he found the force sensitave river stone, that he gave to Obi-Wan. In Legacy of the Jedi, at the end, Lorian Nod sees a corridor with stones, veined with red and green. that would identify the same type of stone as the force sensitave river stone. if it was the same type, that would explain how Lorian suddenly felt and could control the Force after not being able to access it for so many years. Unless the stone was imported, unlikley for a small hunting lodge hotel, that could mean the stone came from that planet, Nul, and that could mean Qui-Gon's home planet is Nul!

-Storyshark2005@gmail.com 64.194.234.189 01:01, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I thought he was from Malastare because of his quote from Episode I. He seemed to be familiar with the place, and I didn't see anything in this article (after a brief skimming) about him visiting there, though I could check again.C3PO the Dragon Slayer 22:05, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Just because the stones were veined with colors doesn't mean they are the same type of stone Qui-Gon had. Also, Lorian was on the verge of death, so his seeing the colors (when he himself acknowledged he hadn't seen them before) might have been a result of that. I can't know for sure, of course, as I've never died. :)

Kwenn
I'm sorry. YIIMM 22:00, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Point was? - Kwenn 22:02, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

"He was also a master of disguises, having worn a moisture farmer's poncho to blend with the Mos Espa locals." Sorry but, LMAO, wearing a poncho over your Jedi robes makes you a "master of disguise"? Thanks for the laugh, whoever that was. I kinda needed that. :) --Beeurd 00:15, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * There are some other wacky items in this article. If I had read more of the TPM-era books, I would offer to clean this one up, but it's out of my league. Although from a layman's view, I don't feel that "abilities" is a good section to have -- he isn't a video game character all the time. --SparqMan 21:01, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
 * That actually wasn't a wacky item. The information appeared in an action figure booklet. --24.253.120.206 08:36, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Inclusion in an action figure booklet hardly qualifies an item as non-wacky. Those things can be a little over the top. They're certainly not intended to be encyclopedic. – Aidje talk 04:20, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Qui-Gon Jinn's Poncho
Can the poncho worn by Qui-Gon in ep1 be seen in Ben's hut?
 * Doubt it. It wouldn't make much sense. Why would Obi-wan keep his master's poncho disguise with him for 30+ years . . . ?Wstonefi 03:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Improvements
Fade's work is a vast improvement. I think we can at least clear the DOOM tag. I have bolded a few sentances that either read awkwardly, could use further explanation or need an in-line reference (as in it sounds like an IU quotation that needs attribution). You can see the bolded sections on the temp page. Also, a list of sources is required. --SparqMan 21:57, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

The correct quote is as follows: "Do not deify the council master! Not again!" I would appreciate no more "correcting" of this quote. If you don't agree that this is accurate watch The Phantom Menace with subtitles on.
 * I'm sorry, that made me laugh. He didn't "deify" them (revere them as gods). Lonnyd 11:45, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Japanese
I have heard that his name is japanese and means 'man who serves the Force'. Who can confirm this? MoffRebus 20:32, 9 Oct 2005 (UTC) talk 08:13, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * My roommate from Japan says that 'Jinn' sounds the same as the Japanese word for 'person.' He says that the rest of it isn't Japanese, but proposes that it may be Chinese (which he wouldn't know). – Aidje talk 02:33, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I guess Qui is for Qi or Chi, the equivalent of the Force. Now to know about Gon :) BTW could you ask him how someone could translate 'Person who serves the Qi' in Japanese? MoffRebus 11:16, 18 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * A jinn is a spirit that reveals one's true nature. There was a great article somewhere on jinns that fit perfectly with what we know of Qui-Gon's role post-TPM, but I can't seem to find it now - Kwenn
 * Well, jinn=genie=jinni=jinnee=djinni=djinny, it that's what you mean. I'll ask my roommate about your last question, MoffRebus. Tomorrow, though. It 2:12 a.m. right now, so he's asleep (he's the smart one). – Aidje
 * Qi is pronounced "Key" not "Kwai," and a djinn is just a male genie, a trickster spirit, i suppose one could "reveal one's true nature," but that's a stretch. Lonnyd 11:48, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The Japanese roomate was referring to 人 (jin, pronounced like 'gene') which is used most frequently in reference to what country a person is from 'アメリカ人' (Amerika-jin) means American. jin/hito=person, like you said. Now if it were 'Jiin' '寺院' it would mean temple... As for Chinese, let me check the subtitles to see how it was translated...OK, just checked. They use 金('jin' symbol for wealth) 魁('kui' meaning leader) 剛 ('gang' meaning tough/strong), so...there you have it =D Cariel 19:29, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Lightsabers?
Can anyone give me a source for the object that is alleged to be Qui-Gon's "first" lightsaber in this article? It seems a little dubious to me. If it is, canon, can someone give a source? -Angel Blue 451 22:21, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * It's from thelightsaber.com, and is apparently based on the sabre you can see in the 'Young Dooku' picture. Still, the image of the sabre itself is non-canon (made by the owner of the site) - Kwenn

The saber in the "Young Dooku" picture doesn't look that different from the TPM saber. I was under the impression that the contents of thelightsaber.com do not represent any degree of canon, EU or otherwise. I didn't think non-canon was represented here without being designated as such, but I'm fairly new here, so I will defer to the judgment of those with more experience. - Angel Blue 451 03:43, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Thelightsaber.com does adhere to canon for the most part, but also includes a fair few fan-speculations and fan-made creations. I think it's best to remove this 'first sabre', since there doesn't appear to be a source for it, and isn't an official image anyway - Kwenn

I agree. Should I remove it? - Angel Blue 451 23:44, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * This lightsaber's entry on thelightsaber.com says "Saber Source: Custom Creation". I'd say delete. - Sikon [ Talk ] 08:02, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)

New picture for consideration
I have uploaded an image that I feel would be a good addition to this article. I've been working on this with the preview function for a while, but I wanted for everyone else to have a say in how it is included. Here is the pic, along with a possible caption:



Any thoughts? - Angel Blue 451 05:22, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It's a good one. Shows him in the heat of battle, almost as if he could win it. -- Riffsyphon1024 05:50, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree with Riff. I'll crop the edges and it'll be perfect. --Master Starkeiller 13:39, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Here: [[Image:Jinn Fights Maul.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Qui-Gon battles the [[Sith Lord]] Darth Maul]]


 * It looks excellent. Now, where do we place it? (apologies for my absence by the way, explanation is on my talk page). - Angel Blue 451 03:39, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Would you prefer this one:

? --Master Starkeiller 14:55, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * That last picture is excellent, i think it should also be put into Darth Maul's article as well. Jasca Ducato 15:57, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Reorganizing
I've noticed that most of what is under "Early life" should be moved to a Personality section. I've done some writing on his apprenticeship with Dooku and his training with Xanatos. I'm going to add it in and make the moves that I mentioned. Just figured I'd let you all know my reasoning before I make any drastic changes. DarthMaul431 20:24, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Main Image
Another rousing game of is the image good enough.--Redemption 23:28, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't like it because the background is way too dark. I changed it back to the close up image.--DannyBoy7783 18:32, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Drug-Rug
It is rumoured that Qui-Gon felt that when one was going to Brodo Asogi, it was neccesary to wear flowers in one's hair. He also felt it was the dawning of the age of Aquarius. Feel free to let me know if you are sick of my commentary. Lonnyd 12:09, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * wtf.--DannyBoy7783 17:39, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * WHAT THE HECK!!! What are you talking about?!?
 * WTF!!! You idiot, you've been smoking something haven't you!
 * You're either high or insane or both.
 * Yes, I'm definitely sick of your commentary! Go put your straitjacket back on!
 * AHA!!! We now know why Qui-Gon lost to Darth Maul - he had been smoking deathsticks! (Conclusion drawn from what that crazy Lonnyd guy thinks Qui-Gon was thinking.) Either that, or Lonnyd was. Most likely the latter.
 * I completely forgot about this. I had, in fact, been smoking something. Lonnyd 21:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I knew it. :P Where the heck did you come up with that anyway?
 * I knew it. :P Where the heck did you come up with that anyway?

Quote
Might I suggest changing the quote at the top of the page to something that Qui-Gon himself said? I would reccomend changing it to "Be mindful of the Living Force, young padawan" as that line basically sums up his philisophical ideals. -- Brandon Rhea 01:21, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I like that idea, and not just because he didn't say the quote himself. The current quote also made him sound like he was bad. Changing the quote is fine with me.
 * Hoping no one minds, but I went ahead and changed the quote to Brandon Rhea's suggestion and included a link. If anyone else has a quote they think would fit better, feel free to change it again. Maybe, "I shall do as I must"? Or something... Just mindless suggestions. Anyway, I only changed it because "Be mindful of the Living Force, young Padawan" did fit much better than any quote by Obi-Wan, or any other character other than Qui-Gon. Again, I hope no one minds.
 * Someone changed it to something said by Tyvokka, something that could be considered mean(-ish). I don't really like that one. If someone could come up with something better that would be nice.

I think the Obi-Wan quote from the Personality section would do nicely. We could switch them, so that maybe in the Personality section somewhere we could include Tyvokka's alternative point of view. - Angel Blue 451 20:51, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That would be nice, if Kwenn will let us. I tried to put that one at the top of the page and the next day it was changed back.
 * GAH!!! Yesyesyesyesyes! The evil Tyvokka quote is gone!!! I really like the new one, by the way, it's perfect! My thanks to whoever changed it.

A question...
Quote from the article: ...Qui-Gon took an unknown Padawan, whose training was almost complete.

Does this mean that he took a Padawan whose training at the Temple was almost complete, or did he take a Padawan who was in the middle of training with another Master? (I want to know this A.) because I'm a Qui-Gon fanatic, and B.) because it's relevant to a fanfic I'm writing.)

If someone could answer my question, I'd be very happy. Thanks :)
 * The latter. It is assumed he took over when the padawan's master died. QuentinGeorge 21:14, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. Thanks.

What If?
I wondered if Qui-Gon was never killed by Darth Maul if Anakin would of still fallen to the dark side and also what would change in the story if Qui-Gon lived. AaronPaige
 * That...is interesting. If Qui-Gon had survived then Anakin probably would have been his Padawan instead of Obi-Wan's, which might have resulted in him turning out differently. (Not that I'm blaming Obi-Wan for anything!!!) Yeah, I think it's quite possible that Anakin wouldn't have turned to the Dark Side if Qui-Gon had been his Master. Stupid Darth Maul!!! *runs off and cries*
 * Also, in Secrets of the Jedi Qui-Gon noticed that Obi-Wan and Siri Tachi had fallen in love. If he hadn't died, he probably would have noticed that Anakin had fallen in love with Padme, and might have been able to help Anakin out, or somehow avert the...er...difficulties. ... I swear I'm going to buy a poster of Darth Maul, tack it to a board, and throw darts at it when I'm bored.

Discrepancies/Contradictions
This article says Qui-Gon successfully trained several knights before Xanatos. Then Xanatos article says he was Qui Gon's second, while the image description claims he was the first. Any ideas on this?
 * This is what CUSWE says about this in Qui-Gon's entry: After successfully training a Padawan apprentice, it was Qui-Gon who discovered the young boy named Xanatos, and brought him to Coruscant for training despite his age and spoiled nature. When the Council allowed Qui-Gon to take a Padawan, Qui-Gon chose Xanatos immediately. Snoop 14:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Issues with Time
A quote from the article... For twelve years, Qui-Gon and Xanatos were master and apprentice. Where does it state that it was twelve years? It could easily have been less. Another relatively pointless question from the crazy Jedi girl... But however *seemingly* pointless, if anyone knows the answer...and if they would be willing to tell me...meesa would be grateful!
 * Qui-Gon Jinn took Obi-Wan as a padawan when Kenobi was 13 (see Jedi Apprentice #1). Jinn died when Obi-Wan was 25. 25 - 13 = 12 years. QuentinGeorge 11:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I know. But I was wondering about Xanatos, not Obi-Wan.
 * Generally it's not nice to insult the people you're trying to get an answer from. Be civil - Kwenn 18:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, sorry. I was just annoyed at the slight implication that I was stupid. (The insults are gone now, for those of you who were wondering. And no, I didn't cuss him out or anything. Just so you know.)
 * And don't remove posts from Talk pages in future. If you regret what you've posted, you shouldn't have posted it in the first place - Kwenn 19:29, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought we were allowed to edit our own posts? ... All right, I did remove the one of yours telling me not to insult people, since I assumed that after I removed the insults we wouldn't need that there. *sigh* Sorry about that, too. In the future I promise to adhere to the rules of Wikiquette.
 * So anyway, in what canon source does it state that Xanatos was Qui-Gon's apprentice for 12 years? Like I said before, it could have been less... After all, Qui-Gon became a Jedi Knight at 19, and while I know that ascension to Jedi status at that age isn't normal, the Telos incident might have happened in Xanatos' early instead of mid-twenties. *sigh* Sorry, I know I'm nitpicking here, but for a fanfic writer, stuff like this is relevant. And I suppose that even non-fanfic writers might like to know.
 * So does anyone know?
 * *sigh* Okay then, I'm just going to assume that this is non-canon, as no one seems willing to tell me otherwise.

Canon check
"Mara Jade Skywalker later created her lightsaber in the image of Qui Gon's."

Does anyone have a source for this, or is it fanon? - Angel Blue 451 22:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * i found it on mara's page which is why i added it hereJedi Dude 22:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I'd still be more comfortable with it if someone had a source for it. - Angel Blue 451 22:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Until someone finds a source, I'm removing it. - Angel Blue 451 03:23, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's fanon. Mara's first lightsaber(s) only appears in a very few sources, and it has a red blade and looks nothing like Qui-Gon's. From the Thrawn Trilogy onward she uses Anakin/Luke's saber. I checked her page and it's clean. --Bodknocks 04:10, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Quotes from Jedi Apprentice
I own the entire series of the Jedi Apprentice books and I'm pretty sure I can find some qoutes in them. Qui-Gon is my favorite Jedi so I'll do all I can to help him become a Featured article. Tak 16:48, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you! At last, someone who agrees that Qui-Gon rocks! (And you're so darn lucky to have all the JA books! It's not fair...)GO QUI!!!
 * I have found a qoute from from The Dark Rival, "A broken circle.", will that do for Knighthood and Xanatos? Taktwo 19:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I have found another one!

"Qui-Gon Jinn, I will be thirteen in four weeks. You are my last chance to be a Jedi Knight"

- Obi-Wan begging Qui-Gon to accept him as his apprentice. Taktwo 17:50, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm on a roll!

"You are a subject of a scientific experimentation. You will not be hurt, only studied."

- Jenna Zan Arbor

Continuity error ?
I wouldn't necessarily call the second item under Behind the Scenes a continuity error. Obi-wan just didn't include all the details of those events. He was amazed at Anakin's midichlorine count.--Darth Oblivion 02:42, 29 August 2006 (UTC)