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Revan
Squint can't be Revan, Revan led the Jedi into the Mandalorian War. Lonnyd 07:15, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Does this make any sense? "Given that Squint was captured during the war, and the Sith Lord Darth Nihilus was known to have been a prisoner of the Mandalorians, it is possible that Squint and Nihilus are the same person. Though there is no evidence to support that Nihilus was ever a prisoner of the Mandalorians." More inane fanwanking? - Kwenn 14:34, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Personally I kinda believe that Squint may be Sion. This is probably just my own opinion, and thusly insane, but the comparisons for me are both of a guy who is being subjected to great pain (Demagol's favourite subject after all) and that, well, personally I think there is a resemblence in the facial structure...laugh away, I know...--ZedderZulu 19:36, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Can we delete that rediculous behind the scenes sections? Wild speculation does not belong on here, and the "Some fans....." statements are usually not allowed here. Lonnyd 04:01, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I tried to clean it up since Alek cannot be either Malak or Revan due to the timing. Alek's basically a Padawan while Malak and Revan were Knights at that point. So although those statements in the comics sort of relate to Malak, it's impossible. Also, Alek's statement about painting their heads probably is him referring to Malak as the Council paid attention to Malak and Revan when they went off to war. Cull Tremayne 23:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Environmental suit

 * Has anyone got a pic of the red envirnmental suit that Alek susosedly used to escape? It would be an interesting image to prefix over the Jedi Master's visions. Jasca Ducato 18:42, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You mean this suit? =) --Imp 18:54, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Any chance that Alek in the suit could be the Sith Lord predicted in the vision? Or at least someone wearing a similar suit? Jasca Ducato 10:13, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * While it is possible, I think it's just a red herring. At any rate, we can only speculate for now. =) --Imp 15:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * IMO there's no doubt that Alek in the red envirosuit is from the vision the masters had. The shot of him leaving flashpoint with the helmet on I think was purposely put like that by the creators to give us a hint. Believe he's Malak or not.. we'll find out eventually. GMo &gt;:M:&lt; 06:07, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Padawan
Where is he referred to as a padawan? He might be, and I'm missing some issues, but the fact that he talks about having a "master" doesn't neccessarily mean that he is that man/woman's student. Master could very well just mean "leader" in this context.(195.92.168.168 18:23, 3 December 2006 (UTC))
 * Actually, I have been thinking the same thing. We may have jumped the gun on that one.– 21:45, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that 'Hooded Jedi's' Followers just call him Master out of respect. Also, Jedi Knight includes Knights and Masters right? because in Episode IV Obi-Wan calls himself and Anakin "Jedi Knights" GMo &gt;:M:&lt; 06:09, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Malak Impossible?
Ok. It's impossible for Alek to be Revan. That much is clear. But, uh, WHY is it *impossible* (as opposed to just improbable) that he is Malak? Just because Alek is "one of many to join the cause" does not exclude him from being the *first* to join that cause... besides, the actual "cause" that Malak joined has *yet to be initiated*. Revan hasn't broken away (publicly) from the Council at this point. Seriously, I'm not one for letting speculation infect Wookiepedia, but at the same time I'm not happy with stuff being declared "impossible" when it quite clearly isn't.

Is Alek Malak? I don't know. There's evidence against it and suggestions for it. It isn't impossible yet though. (Ulicus 02:27, 5 December 2006 (UTC))
 * Don't ask me. This is what happened: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Alek&diff=866418&oldid=866394. Although, I must admit that I got overenthusiastic with the Bts section and it did really need a trimming&hellip; – 06:02, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Malak (More supported information)
Ok, first things first. We all know that Darth Malak's name before he turned to the dark side was in fact Malak. If you go back and read KOTOR 10 in the last few pages, Squint talks about his "master's" plan to beat the Mandalorians "and fast" and he goes onto talking about "serious risks" involved, which leads me to beleive he's referring to Revan planning to use the Mass Shadow Generator against the Mando's. Now after this conversation, he speaks with Jarael and she calls him Squint again, and he says it's only a nickname and that his last name is a mouthful and tells her to call him Alek next they meet. Now Alek could be his pronounciation and shortened version of Malak, which is his first or Last name her goes by. Any one else agree with me on this, or anymore input into my theories? ~ Sato Stars 10:55, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Revan and Malak were both Jedi Knights by the time of the Mandalorian Wars. As such, it is impossible for either of them to have been eithers Jedi apprentice at the time. Also, why would "Malak" be a mouthful? Why, as others have pointed out, would Squint be short, blue eyed, and have hair, as opposed to (even at this time) tall, bald, brown eyed Malak? As for his master, I can't comment on that. Lord Patrick 20:43, 17 February 2007 (UTC)

But, even in the the game, Malak said that he was Revan's apprentice/Revan was the master. That doesn't mean he was a padawan. He was just under Revan, perhaps was his padawan at one time. Anakin still called Obi-Wan "master" in ROTS and thought of him as such, even though, by that time Anakin was an accomplished Knight in his own right. I'm not saying Alek IS Malak, I'm just saying it's not as impossible as some people are making it sound. At least, that's my opinion. Hedec Ga 9:31, 6 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Jedi Master Dorak states in the first game that Revan and Malak were both Jedi Knights. Neither was the others padawan. If Malak had been Revan's padawan at some time, but was a Knight at the time of the Mandalorian Wars, then Revan, in turn, would have been a Jedi Master. He wasn't. Malak only became Revan's apprentice after they had subjected themselves to the dark side and Sith teachings. Revan, being the stronger of the two, became the Dark Lord of the Sith and Malak, being the weaker, became his Sith Apprentice. -- Master Dakari 04:25, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Alek is Malak



 * Who thinks this is a coincidence.172.213.38.90 12:57, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sure Alek is Malak and Unknown hooded Jedi is Revan, however we just can't go on assumption. Wait until it is confirmed before we actually change it. supergeeky1 [[Image:BobaFett.jpg|20px]] The Cantina 14:35, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The lack of hair and tattoos sure convinced me. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 14:58, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's the neck piece of his suit that did it for me.User:KickAssJedi
 * On the image Dark Horse has for #19, Alek's hair looks like it's growing back. --Riansage 16:22, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Are you sure thats him. User:KickAssJedi
 * I'm only going by the robes he wears in 8 and 10, but they're nearly identical. The expression is one we haven't seen yet, but I see nothing about it to suggest it's not Alek. --Riansage 22:29, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It seemed like they were building up to something with the red armour and the baldness it would have been a great way of bridging the game and the comic.User:KickAssJedi
 * I'm Sorry, but is there REALLY any doubt in anyone's mind that Alek is Malak? I mean HONESTLY. All of this 'oh he couldn't possibly be due to his rank' is total bullshit.  And hey this wouldn't be the first time that a comic book broke from supposedly established Continuity.  People who don't think that Alek is Malak are looking too far into it, more often than not the answers are right there on the frakking surface.


 * I think youre forgeting one very important thing. In real world people can lie, they can forget to mention things and they can see things in different way than they really are. Why fictious characters can't? We have only heard what other fictive characters have told Revan about him and Malak, not seen them like we do in movies and comics. That leaves us allways the chance that someone doesn't know everything or may even lie. --88.115.221.201 18:21, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Either way, it's pointless speculation. Do your best to keep that kind of shit off the articles and the talk pages. Until we see Alek walking around going by "Malak" then they are separate people. Live with it.  -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 20:08, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

Now THAT was harsh. Anyways, further proof has been given in #19. Alek stated that his hair wouldn't be growing back and someone remarked that he looked taller. Kinda cool, I guess. - Ryan (I don't know how to sign, sorry)


 * Sign by putting 4 of ~ . Personally I think anybody that doesn't realize Alek is Malak is a complete moron. Still though we can't say it in the article till it is FACT.

Cool thanks. Revan211 22:24, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I'm willing to bet (though I have yet to see the comic and may be totally off) that in #20, our Alek just lost his lower jaw. --Tyrphanax 21:05, 18 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force states Alek is Malak. Simple as that. It's Canon. GMo &gt;:M:&lt; 19:17, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Would have been better if the two were separate. Would have been a bit less cliche to have Sith Lords retain their original names when taking on the "Darth" title. ... at least there's still hope for Revan, though... DAWUSS 20:59, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

for behind the scenes
(I know this has been discussed here a lot, but bear with me)

The evidence that Alek is Malak IS compelling enough to at least mention in the article. I found a great summerisation about the comparison in the Malak article:

"It has been speculated that Malak was the red-armored Sith with a red lightsaber whom the four Sage Masters of the Covenant saw in their vision on the Rogue Moon, which—after they decided that this Sith was a future version of one of their own Padawans—led them to commit the Padawan Massacre of Taris. It should also be noted that Malak and Zayne Carrick (the only Padawan to survive the massacre) are sufficiently different in appearance and background to establish them as separate personae. The red environmental suit from this vision is later given to Alek, who is speculated to be both the red-armored Sith, and, correspondingly, Darth Malak. Adding to this possibility, the names "Alek" and "Malak" are phonetically similar. Alek mentions that his master "has a plan to defeat the Mandalorians fast&mdashbut there are risks." Also, as of the end of the Flashpoint arc, Alek is bald. After emerging from the torture laboratory of Mandalorian scientist Demagol, he comments that he is "a little taller" as a result of Demagol's experimentation—perhaps accounting for Malak's unnatural height."

Looks like a no-brainer that they are combing him to become Malak. I am not saying that it is fact or canon, but it is very much enough to at least mention in 'behind the scenes'. Plenty of lesser parallels are in behind the scenes on other articles (like who Krea is).

Thanks (- -) 18:05, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't care. It's speculation. No matter how obvious or well written it is. Speculation is speculation. Keep it out. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 03:20, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * What? It is something for 'behind the scenes'. Feel free to start the paragraph with something like 'many have speculated that...'. The evidence IS enough to MENTION as a POSSIBILITY in BEHIND THE SCENES. I have seen things with less evidence in the behind the scenes of other articles. It isn't speculation, there are facts. His master is hooded, he is bald, he is taller, his name is Malak without the M... You can't say that those facts are speculation. And again, I am not saying that they should be listed as true or canon, but as something that is possible. Jeez (- -) 07:24, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * But still it is speculation and having unfounded speculation no matter how obvious it seems or how much effort is put into it does nothing (in My Opinon) execpt degrade the quality of the arctical as there if no Official Source to back this up  Dark Lord Xander  ( Embrace The Dark Side! )[[Image:MandalorianSymbol.jpg|20px]] 07:59, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I know it is speculation, it should be in the 'behind the scenes section and list the evidence. Have you looked at the Arren Kae article? I don't see any 'official sources' there. And are you guys completely ignoring the fact that I am not saying that it is canon? I have said so in my previous two entries on this page... It should be said that it is speculated that he may be Darth Malak due to all of this evidence. You want to erase the part of the behind the scenes in the Malak article too? It seems like you guys are responding without reading what I type. Read before you answer please. I am tired of repeating the same thing and reading un-reasonable responses. (- -) 09:47, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Like I said. No speculation. Thank you for reminding me to remove that Arren Kae/Kreia speculation. I knew I was forgetting one. And rejection is part of life, kid. Get used to it. Any attempts to put this pointless, meaningless speculation into any article will be reverted. Case closed. If you don't like it then it's your problem. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 17:09, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And for the record, I removed that Malak speculation from his article not even a minute after I responded. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 17:12, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Please do not post speculation as it will be removed from the page  Dark Lord Xander  ( Embrace The Dark Side! )[[Image:MandalorianSymbol.jpg|20px]] 09:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Alright folks, I understand the desire for only facts to be placed in a wiki article. And for most wiki articles, about established topics, that is great. But lets face it, wookieepedia, is not wikipedia. The very nature of the topics cause us to put a "behind the scenes section" on most article. Since this is suppose to be a "historical" account of a fictional person, whose history is not fully written, a little slack can be given to a behind the scenes section. This will help the casual reader of the KOTOR comic, who is unfamiliar with the game (RPG's are boring IMO, so I know nothing about KOTOR game except for what I have read on wookieepedia). Now, wild speculation should not be allowed, but factual evidence pointing to a conclusion should be. If someone wants to write "Alek's name and hairstyle are similar to Malak's. This, coupled with the fact that his master is the Revanchist leader makes Alek the most likely candidate for the true identity of Malak"   I don't think you can call that speculation. It does not deserve to be in the article itself, but its fact based deductive reasoning makes it perfect for the behind the scenes. IthinkIwannaLeia 23:08, 19 September 2007 (UTC)--
 * I believe I've stated this before. I. Don't. Give. A. Damn. I don't care how obvious it is. I really don't. It doesn't belong anywhere in the article. And any that is found, will be reverted. Speculation is still speculation. If a fan wants to make their own conclusion, there's nothing stopping them. Let them read the damn comic and come up with their own theories. They don't need the article to say "he looks like Malak." -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 23:11, 19 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Wow, Redemption, you're a pompous ass. And that isn't speculation. You might as well declare that there shouldn't be any Behind The Scenes info at all.

Redemption, you are an exclusionist. It is a valid wiki philosophy. But inclusionism is also a valid philosophy. Since Wiki's are so easily changible, it doesnt matter if info is temporarily included or excluded. Eventually, it will come to a balancing point (e.g. after a revelation). The trick is to respect other peoples' philosophies, and not be so far to the right or left that you don't inhibit the exchange of ACCURATE, LOGICAL, RELAVENT, DETAILED information. All of the prior terms are equally important.IthinkIwannaLeia 02:36, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't give a damn if you don't give a damn. Why don't you take a look at the Darth Krayt behind the scenes.  Now that he has been revealed, it includes a section about how there was speculation that he was Hett.  It details when the speculation started, what evidence was used, and how the speculation was supported by comments in the letters section of certain issues.  They even mention that Jason was a candidate until the Darth who contest.  These are historical, behind the scenes facts.  It gives insight into the fan community and the real world "buzz."  There is no difference in including that information after a big reveal or before one.  Now if a new character is developing and their are wild speculation going around, that is not something that belongs.  But if there has been a logical progression of fact based deductive reasoning, and a near fan concensus, then that is historically relevant behind the scenes material.  Even if on the .0001% chance that it is wrong, it will be added later to the behind the scenes, saying "a complete shocker was when the character did not turn out to be ...but instead..."   The krayt article is just an example.  Try looking at Vader's, and any other surprise that came to the SW universe in the last 30 years.  Look at behind the scenes articles in Wikipedia, when secrets got fans buzzing.  they almost alway make mention of it.  You are wrong.  This no longer falls under wild speculation.  Sorry.  It is either a deduction of logic, or a buzz worthy surprise.  Either way, it doesn't have to wait until the reveal to place it in the behind the scenes.  You are doing a disservice to the medium of online information.  Oh, and don't be rude.  You are not smarter, or better than me in any way.  Leave the damn cursing at home. Ha.  IthinkIwannaLeia 01:00, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * We don't need insight into the fan community when the identity of characters have yet to be revealed. The only reason why Krayts has that section is because the mystery is over. It's not speculation anymore. It's just tibits of info. Your points are moot and all speculation will be reverted. End of story. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 01:07, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * well the whole conversation will be moot when the identities are revealed, and the behind the scenes then includes the history of fan speculation anyways. And as long as I have "ctrl C" and "ctrl V"  I can add things as fast as you can erase them.  (although I am not adding to this article).  So give the "it will be reverted" line a rest.   Also, speculation is USUALLY avoided.  This is not because speculation is outlawed on Wookiee or wiki.  It actually has to do with relevance.  Speculation is not usually relevant, but listing instances of possible foreshadowing might be. (I realize that it might not be as well).   If someone wanted to list the Facts that he was the last one to wear the red suit (whose wearer would bring back the sith), the fact that his master is the leader of the REVANchists, He is now bald, etc. and say that this may foreshadow that he and malak are the same person, that is not speculation.  It is detective work.  If you saw a man holding a gun next to a dead body, and he had a motive, it is relavent to put that in a report.  If those facts don't change, you could even assume he was guilty.  Same thing here.  Logical assumptions do deserve to be put into an article.

From the forum: Our current policy has the following allowance: "What is not original research? Editors may make straightforward mathematical calculations or logical deductions based on fully attributed data that neither change the significance of the data nor require additional assumptions beyond what is in the source. It should be possible for any reader without specialist knowledge to understand the deductions." ~gunk

Lee Harvey Oswald Connection
It should be interesting to note that Lee Harvey Oswald, John F. Kennedy's assassinator used "Alek" as his name while he lived in the Soviet Union and when he brought the rifle that kill John F. Kennedy. Michaeldsuarez 12:31, 22 August 2007 (UTC)


 * That is interesting but I don't know anything about the Comic's creators actually being inspired by that. [personally I think Alek just comes from him possibly being Malak] GMo &gt;:M:&lt; 21:26, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

More Malakishness
It may be worth noting that on the front of the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic Handbook Alek is sporting a close beard of grey stubble, a foreshadow to Malak's metal jaw perhaps.--\\Captain KAJ// 19:18, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Who is Alek?
Let's think logically.
 * Alek is not Revan.
 * Alek is not Malak.

Because these are they real own names. And Revan was only Sith master of Malak. Not his Jedi master.

He might be either Darth Nihilus (more likely, Lord of Hunger, Destroyer of Worlds) or Darth Sion. Cos the suit gives a hint. Or it's just a trick for readers.

So, the unknown hooded Jedi might be Revan (he was the headstrong scout of Outer Rim and the edge of Mandalorian's territory) of Kreia (less likely I think). Homo Computeris 20:15, 6 October 2007 (UTC) Most fans believe that Alek=Malak and Revan=Revanchist leader. You are correct that Revan was a Jedi Knight during the Mandalorian Wars and, therefore, technically Malak's superior only once they became Sith; however, it should be noted that, in the most recent comic, Lucien calls the Revanchist leader Alek's "so-called Master" which implies that their arrangement was unofficial.– 20:47, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This question is off-topic and really shouldn't be discussed here, but whatever. FYI, there is no evidence that "Revan" and "Malak" were born with those particular names. They very well may be their Sith monikers. The fact that everyone references them by those names is pretty much irrelevant.

- On Sith vs. Jedi names, it should be noted that Obi Wan refered to Darth Vader as a Jedi ("a young Jedi named Darth Vader") as a matter of convenience. It is plausible that characters in the KOTOR universe utilized similar "convenience" when referring to Malak and Revan, meaning that they used the Sith name interchangably with who they WERE as Jedi. -Reflection77 06:49, 22 November 2007(UTC)

Nonidentical twins and offspring to Exar Kun?
Okay, dudes. This is going to sound confusing, but instead of Alek and Malak being the same guy, what if they're nonidentical twin brothers? Look at them. They look the same, however they have different eye color. Alek has blue eyes and Malak has brown. I mean, why are you so obsessed over this whole Alek-becomes-Malak theory anyway? What if these to become Sith together? Hey, I got it! How's this for a title? Darth Malak and Darth Sion: Twins of the Sith. You like it? I love it.

Let's go on to the father and son thing. I believe that Alek is seriously Exar Kun's son. He has the same eye and hair color as the Dark Lord. It's obvious that Exar was secretly in love with some woman, had sex with her, and after he dies, the children are born. Alek was supposedly the youngest child of the family (3,988 - 3,986 BBY). It looks like why Alek would turn into Darth Sion: Sion means heir and that would explain that Alek is Exar's heir into becoming the next Dark Lord.

Sorry that I'm not a user. It's just that I really want you guys to understand brand new theory and so forth. I hope you like them.–Will Karner, 03:08, 3 November 2007

Please refrain from posting this sort of garbage on article talk pages again. Everything you have said is completely speculative and most of it doesn't even make sense, talk pages are places to discuss the content of the article, not to gossip about who is related to who. - Captain KAJ  – Shipwreck Cove 16:30, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Oops. Sorry, dude. I didn't know that. I'll try to remember what you said.- Will Karner 12:56, 8 November 2007

Age
Wiil Alek's age and homeworld and {real} name be revealed in the upcoming handbook?--Zhran 19:31, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Um, where do you find these handbooks? I go to a little comic shop in my town to get the comics, but i never see anything like that. Please tell me where to find those.--...Darth 'ric (Nov. 22)

I just thought I'd like to point out that...
...this article needs serious updating.
 * Oh, you are according to The Essential Guide to the Force? Yes, you're right - but I think it's not this article... Jaden Kenobi HK-47 17:01, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

It is time to add...lets look at The Essential Guide to the Force
Ok, the Jedi vs. Sith essential guide to the force did something very clever: "Author: Bodo Bass:...Two Jedi acquired a taste for rebellion during their victories in the Mandalorian Wars...and declared themselves to be the new Dark Lords of the Sith-Darth Revan and Darth Malak."

"Because they were known heroes of the Mandalorian Wars, many jedi Knights regarded "the revanchist" and his former apprentice Alek as champions, and eagerly joined their cause. A Sith training academy was revitalized on Korriban, and a new corps of Dark Jedi redied to defend their growing Sith empire.  Under command of Revan and Malak, they seized control of the bulk of the republic fleet, and it was this act that initiated the Second sith War." (page 23) Star Wars: Jedi vs Sith.

Now in this passage, it actually never explicitly says Alek=Malak and the revanchist=Revan, but the meaning is implicit. I previously had a long explaination here about why the implicit meaning behind a paragraph is valid figuring the Malek thing has not been added because it was not explicitly said, however, I read on the Revanchist article that there might be a one month spoiler buffer?!!!? Um, I am not up on all the Wookieepedia rules, but I never heard this. Furthermore, I see plenty of info from comics get added the day of release!!! So I don't know if this is a hard and fast rule. If it is, and your an Admin, feel free to revert my add. I heard about the rule after I added the section, so I am not gonna erase I confirm the validity of the rule. If the rule does exist, the articles are apparently gonna be rewritten on Dec 27. IthinkIwannaLeia 07:55, 12 December 2007 (UTC) [Edited]IthinkIwannaLeia 08:39, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I think that it is high time that we merged this page with Malak's page. Does anyone have any objections? User: Atrulean Starkiller December 12 2007 I suppose to that for Revan and the Revanchist. User: Atrulean Starkiller December 12, 2007 (UTC) For what ever reason, Ryder Windham went to a lot of trouble to say it without actually saying it. If it did turn out not to be what we think, we could look back on the paragraph and say, "oh, we just read it wrong." For this reason I say we just add a section on the end of Alek and Revanchist pages similarly indicating that they were the leaders of a movement that would later have the newly named Darths as leaders. When It finally is revealed by Dark Horse or others (explicity) then we actually do the merger. IthinkIwannaLeia06:17, 14 December 2007
 * While I found spoiler templates and the one month wait before move idiotic, I have to go with the community and say that we do NOT move until December 27th, one month after EGTF was released. Have some degree of patience will you... -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 22:58, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
 * As surprising as this may sound, I actually don't want the Alek and Malak pages merged on the 27th. I do think their needs to be something added about the quote from the EGTF, the writer of EGTF went to a lot of trouble to write it in such a way that he didn't EXPLICITLY say they were one in the same. As I said before, you pass that passage on to anyone with a third grade reading level, and they will assume Malak=Alek and Revanchist=Revan, however, the writer left a little wiggle room.  It was implicit in the paragraph but not Explicitly state it.  The writer may have done this for several reasons: 1. He wanted to play with the fans. 2. He did not get 100% confirmation from Dark Horse at the time of the writing (so they still might opt for a surprise). 3.  He didn't wanna make the official announcement and step on Dark Horses toes.