Wookieepedia:Good article nominations



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RC-1207

 * Nominated by:RC-1136 Copy 17:07, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination Comments:Done a large over haul I think its ready for GA now, but what ever happens I'm sure you will point out some things that will help me improve the article RC-1136 Copy 17:07, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

(+5)
Support
 * 1) Seems much better.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 19:16, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Nice work :)  Aqua  Unasi  18:46, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Great Article Mando Warrior 13:17, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 23:20, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Good DarthBlurrr Comlink 15:16, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Chack:
 * 2) * Needs a longer intro and a BTS.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 14:44, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) ** Done, RC-1136 Copy 12:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) * "Sev had experience combating Battle Droids,Geonosians and Trandoshans." Uneeded
 * 5) **Deleted RC-1136 Copy 08:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) * What are Black Ops?
 * 7) **Explation there now RC-1136 Copy 08:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) * ...due to the fact that Boss had met the rest of the squad on the way to the rendezvous." I’d say this is unnecessary.
 * 9) ** Hmm... I left it in because the end of that paragraph is mainly introducing Boss and beacause I've tryed to make that explantion fit in with the flow it needed that to make it make sence (if you get what I mean) but if you still think it should be got rid of just say again and I will happily remove it RC-1136 Copy 08:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) * What room did they infiltrate?
 * 11) ** His Planning room, I belive RC-1136 Copy 08:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) ***actually I know know :), the adivisor says so, RC-1136 Copy 16:01, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) * The first sentence in that paragraph is a run-on.
 * 14) ** Once they infiltrated the planning room the squad quickly set about killing all occupants, despite this Sun Fac escaped to a landing pad, leaving two Super Battle Droids to cover his back? I don't see how thats a run-on, Probly just me being blind RC-1136 Copy 08:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) * Please correct your link to 1138 too.
 * 16) **Corrected RC-1136 Copy 08:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 17) * The second paragraph in Geonosis needs more explanation. It could also be written better to make it more interesting.
 * 18) ** Did you mean the bit about the core ship and the jamming device? well I expanded those, RC-1136 Copy 08:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 19) * The paragraph about the Prosecutor does too. Expound on things more.
 * 20) ** added a small amount, is it enough? RC-1136 Copy 08:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 21) * You use however too many times in the second paragraph of Mission with Omegas.
 * 22) ** However, now I don't :) RC-1136 Copy 08:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 23) * Also, your apostrophes are wrong in several cases there.
 * 24) **I didn't use any incorrect apostrophes. at lest not in Mission with Omegas. Some where else? RC-1136 Copy 08:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 25) ***I don't think you did. Never mind.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 17:41, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 26) * Give some context on Skuuma and de-link the second time it’s mentioned.
 * 27) ** Delinked, also added a bit of information about its location RC-1136 Copy 08:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 28) * Can the Mid Clone Wars section be expanded at all?
 * 29) ** Not really, I added five words *looks chuffed* RC-1136 Copy 08:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 30) * Why did she want Skirata to get there first?
 * 31) ** He I think you ment, I added a bit about Juskin explaning why he gave info to Kal RC-1136 Copy 08:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 32) * The last sentence in P&T is present tense.
 * 33) ** Changed RC-1136 Copy 08:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 34) * I'd move the first sentence in appearance up to P&T and get ride of that section, as there is little info.
 * 35) ** done RC-1136 Copy 08:20, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 36) * You mention something about 36's squad? What is that?  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 17:41, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 37) ** I can't remember the exact words, but just before going into the catacombs Advisor says something like: "deltas, as you already know 36's squad have been lost while investigating a jamming device that's blocking our scopes" there has been much speculation over whether 36's squad is in fact RC-1136s original squad, but as it is only speculation it has been left out the article RC-1136 Copy 09:06, 16 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 38) ***Changed it a little for you.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 19:16, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 39) Aqua Unasi
 * 40) * A very nice article, but it still needs a little work to be a GA. Main thing: the article's punctuation is, pretty bad. Some parts of the article entire paragraphs are written as one sentence, using commas in places of periods which makes it very difficult to follow it and read through it. I went through and tried to clean it up a bit, but in some places I didn't know exactly what it was trying to say. Here's a spot, for example:
 * 41) **Once they infiltrated the room the squad quickly set about killing all occupants, despite this Sun Fac escaped to a landing pad, leaving two Super Battle Droids to cover his back, Delta destroyed these droids and breached the door, however Sun Fac had already reached his Star Fighter and was heating up the engine, Boss quickly ordered Sev to take the fighter out from a sniping position, before Sev could do so, Sun Fac was in the air, however instead of running he stayed, obviously hoping to blow the squad apart with his laser cannons, but before he could do so, Sev downed his fighter.  - Thats all one sentence, and reads very play by play-ish. Could you touch this up, and see if anywhere else in the article it needs it?
 * 42) ***That should be done, but you'd best be the judge of that RC-1136 Copy 08:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 43) * The article needs to be fully sourced, so that includes the infobox, and every paragraph.
 * 44) ** However, the introduction does not need to be sourced. lol, So your reference there isn't necessary. :)
 * 45) ***'''Should be done RC-1136 Copy 08:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC}
 * 46) * Some of the sections are pretty short and talk about the events of Delta Squad, and not Sev in particular. - examples: Meeting Omega and the Mid Clone Wars. Is it possible to maybe combine these with other sections, or say something like, Sev, along with the Delta Squad, to keep the article about Sev, not just the events of Delta Squad.
 * 47) **Have changed that, People are going to think the Squad is called "Sev and the rest of Delta" now, also I combined Meeting Omega with Mission to Coruscant,and the Mid Clone Wars was originally two sections, So I'm not sure it would be a good idea to combine it with Ko Sai, Or Mission with Omega, What do you reckon? RC-1136 Copy 09:11, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 48) *** That's much better :)  Aqua  Unasi  17:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 49) * To someone not familiar with Delta Squad, some of these names are confusing. Fi, and Kal Skirata are introduced with no explanation, could you add context about them in the article?
 * 50) **Added an explanation for 'Kal, Fi, a small one for Atin and Sun Fac', if you spot any others please let me know RC-1136 Copy 08:50, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 51) *** Good! Now we know who everyone is - however, I can't find the explanation of Fi. Am I missing it?  Aqua  Unasi  17:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 52) ****Hmmm, how funny, I was sure I put that in, anyway its there now, well spoted RC-1136 Copy 18:30, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 53) * Finally, this paragraph: Regardless of how Sev developed his unique personality, it certainly aided the Deltas greatly when their covert operations turned into all-out warfare - reads very point of view-ish. I see you have it from a source, however it should still be presented in a NPOV way in the article.
 * 54) **Have touched up the Personality and traits section a bit, hope its ok now RC-1136 Copy 08:56, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 55) * Also, I believe that you can't have quotes in the middle of sections - only at the beginning of sections. So your quote at the bottom of Kashyyk needs to either be made the section header or removed.  Aqua  Unasi  17:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 56) **'''Done that, should be everything RC-1136 Copy 10:20, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 57) * This may seem like a lot, but this will help to (hopefully) greatly improve your article. Good work :)  Aqua  Unasi  03:32, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 58) **Ahh! overload :D. I'll do the best I can, and thanks for your help on the article, RC-1136 Copy 07:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 59) Toprawa:
 * 60) * A few of your sentences are not sourced, and some of these don't even end in punctuation.
 * 61) ** If you'd do the punctuation yourself that would be great, its more easy then pointing it all out to me,I can source any sourced stuff if you tell me were it is RC-1136  Copy 10:44, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 62) * Additionally, there's no reason why your ref tags should be double spaced after punctuation. There should be no space.
 * 63) **I removed any spaces between the end of a paragraph and ref tags if thats what you mean RC-1136  Copy 12:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 64) * There's no reason to make the section titles links. User the tag instead.
 * 65) **Done, Thanks RC-1136  Copy 18:01, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 66) * The images are painfully small
 * 67) **Incresed virtualy all pictures, except where it makes the page look ugly RC-1136  Copy 10:00, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 68) * The article's sectioning could probably be revisited. Some of these one, two sentence sections should be combined.
 * 69) ** some examples? I'm afraid I'm useless as spotting this sort of stuff, do you mean "Early life"? RC-1136  Copy 10:06, 27 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 70) ***These sections that have one and two sentences just don't look good. They should be combined with other sections to create a more "meaty" appearance. 16:09, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 71) ****to my mind it dosn't relly matter, however I combined early life with Geonosis, — RC-1136 Hate Mail Here 10:09, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 72) * Please punctuate your quote attribution lines correctly
 * 73) **that should be done RC-1136  Copy 12:40, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 74) ***Attribution lines should never end in full stops, and commas should follow the speaker when including a "...to Person B" Toprawa and Ralltiir 16:09, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 75) ****I dont really follow you, any way for things like puncation, if you could just do it yourself that would be fab, cheers — RC-1136 Hate Mail Here 10:06, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 76) * The P/T quote should be in Quote format, not Dialogue. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:15, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 77) **Ahh... Yes about that, I think thats right now, If not it would be simpler if you do it, cheers RC-1136  Copy 18:01, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * RC-1136 will be inactive from the 30th of June till the 27th of July 2008, please display patience, thankyou — RC-1136 Hate Mail Here 17:06, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Back now — RC-1136 Hate Mail Here 17:06, 16 August 2008 (UTC)

Iving Creel

 * Nominated By:Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:11, 22 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination Comments:

(+4)
Support
 * 1) Your articles on ESB-related stuff never fails to amaze me.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:34, 27 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 2)  Aqua  Unasi  16:21, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 19:26, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) I love that story! Harrar 09:54, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) --Eyrezer 10:21, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Xadún's scrawlings...
 * 2) *If Jaster Mereel is Boba Fett, all further refences to 'Mereel' should read Fett. Otherwise, it can be misleading as to whether it is Fett or Mereel (irrespective of who everyone else thought he was).
 * 3) **I don't necessarily believe this is the best course of action for this particular article. I agree with what you're saying, and pushed for the very thing on the Nyna Calixte article in regards to the Calixte vs. Morrigan Corde persona alternating. However, in this stage of Fett's life, while living on Concord Dawn he strictly went by the name of Jaster Mereel, and did not alternate between the two. Your suggestion would serve better on the Fett article, I feel, where it would be silly to alternate between the two. From Iving Creel's perspective, however, he only knew the man as Jaster Mereel.
 * 4) **The fact that Creel knew Fett under an alias for the duration of their contact does not chance the fact that the character is Boba Fett, and not Jaster Mereel. The names should be changed, or the Article is written from a perspective, and therefore has bias to a character. Articles need to be neutral, to the best of their ability. Darth Xadún ( Consult the Holocron ) 20:07, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) ***I think you're misinterpreting the idea of the NPOV rule. Articles on certain characters are meant to be written from their perspective while maintaining a neutral description of what's going on, in terms of not showing bias toward, for example, right and wrong. This isn't a violation of the neutral perspective in that sense, it's showing the situation from Creel's angle, as in he and the planet of Concorn Down knew the man as Jaster Mereel. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:26, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) ****On that arguement, I concede it is a neutral POV. But since Mereel in this instance is just an alias, surely all references to him should read Fett? Darth Xadún ( Consult the Holocron ) 08:54, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) *****If I may chime in, I agree with Toprawa, though I understand where Xadún is coming from. I'll give you another example: in The Paradise Snare, for the majority of the book Han Solo is known only as Vyyk Draygo to everyone on the planet Ylesia, and no-one knows his true identity. However, when writing Bria Tharen or Teroenza's articles, it would make more sense to refer to him as "Draygo" initially, because that is who they knew him as and it saves an unnecessary explanation of who Draygo actually is. Does that make sense? -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 10:51, 14 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) ******I can see what you mean. But I feel aliases should be mentioned initially, specified as being an alias, and then disregarded, as they are usually invented persons. But this instance could be even more confusing as the alias was an actual person. Interestingly, "Vyyk Drago" isn't mentioned in the entire Bria Tharen article (I don't possess the sources to add it unfortunately), and after one reference to his alias, Han is refered to as either Solo or Han Solo for the remained of the Teroenza article. The latter is what I feel should be applied here. An initial reference, then using the chacter's real name.  Darth Xadún ( Consult the Holocron ) 11:01, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) * A little more info on Fett when you introduce him would be nice.
 * 10) **Added.
 * 11) * "Unknown to Creel was that the man had raped Fett's wife, Sintas, causing Fett to seek vengeance." Re-phrase this so it makes sense, and always use full names when mentioning a character for the first time in an article.
 * 12) **I added this, so I feel like I should ensure it make sense. Changed the sentence a little, though it still refers to him as Fett rather than mereel, because she was Fett's wife, after all, not Mereel, as in his fake identity.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 23:36, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) ***Thanks, Chack.
 * 14) * Infobox - Either put a canonically confirmed birth date or leave it blank, please
 * 15) **I don't think this is necessarily that bad of a practice. While we don't have an exact DOB for the man, we know from the book's description of Creel that he is canonically several years Boba Fett's senior, and thus was born sometime in the time frame prior to Fett's birth in 31.5 BBY. A similar infobox can be found on the Clabburn the Elder Featured Article. Mind you, this isn't just a random assumption based on whether someone appears older than someone who is a teenager, for example. This is indeed a canonical description. Toprawa and Ralltiir 14:15, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 16) *** Just because it's slipped though on an FA doesn't make it correct. If this was the case, all character articles could have an "approximate" DOB based on how old they are compared to canonically age-defined characters. And that, IMHO, would just look amateurish.
 * 17) ****Once again, I think you're misinterpreting the meaning behind including this. Nothing "slipped by" the Inquisitors. Of course any and all article could include a "Sometime before X date," but the uniqueness of these instances is that the they are canonically described to be born around this time, rather than just guessing based on someone's appearance. If we could give a certain date for Creel we would, but we're working with what we have. In this instance, we're nailing it down as close as canonically possible. There's nothing amateurish about this at all. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:26, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 18) ***** A poor example on my part. The problem I have is that where there is no definate date given, I feel there should not be a speculated date. I understand that sources will not always grant the necessary information - it would serve no purpose to outline a character's whole history within a storyline. But I feel that unless you can actualy confirm a character's DOB it shouldn't be in an article, vauge canonical reference or not. How about, as compromise, remove the unconfirmed DOB from the infobox but refer to his age in the BtS as unconfirmed with the canonical reference to an approximate birth date?
 * 19) ******This isn't really a valid objection. You're not showing me any concrete evidence not to include it. There is nothing speculative about the date, and it is 100% verified canon. Aside from the FAs I've already showed you, we now have a persistent precedent with the Dhol article, which employs a similar example of the "unclear" DOB/DOD deal. Toprawa and Ralltiir 16:32, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 20) ******* I guess I'm the only one that finds the absense of an exact date irksome. And if that's the case, I just don't want to be at loggerheads with people. Darth Xadún ( Consult the Holocron ) 20:38, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 21) *Not bad. I like GAN/FANs on people I've never heard of, mainly because I think it's easier to judge them without bias. Darth Xadún ( Consult the Holocron ) 20:20, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * Not really opposition since I'm not sure - but as Revelation had extra information on the case, should that be added to the article? Also, is Creel mentioned (either directly or indirectly) in the book? - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 10:40, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Is this the case where the man Fett killed was guilty of raping Sintas? I believe it is, and that thus needs to be added. I don't think Creel is referenced, but I could be wrong.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:10, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmm, very interesting. I'm not sure, since I've never read Revelation. If someone could shed some definitive light on this, it would be greatly appreciated. Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:41, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm almost positive this is the case mentioned. I'll add the info for you in the next day or two unless someone else does it first.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:45, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

The Great Herdship Heist

 * Nominated by:Eyrezer 09:49, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments:

(+1)
Support
 * 1) Goodwood  [[Image:Redstarbird.svg|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 02:40, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Object
 * Could you maybe use either the opening artwork or an image of the title itself (like we do with Tales comics) for the infobox? The artwork would be hard to scan completely, but I could get title page if you'd like. -- Ozzel 06:55, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * You might want to check your tenses a little. Yrfeloran 03:56, 1 July 2008 (UTC)
 * It could do with a redlinks tag. Darth Xadún ( Consult the Holocron ) 21:04, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * In response to both, OOU articles are meant to be written in present tense, and there are no GAN red link rules. Toprawa and Ralltiir 16:23, 5 July 2008 (UTC)

Saba Sebatyne

 * Nominated by:Markrox91 10:50, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments:I've done alot of work on this article in the last few weeks,and i now believee it is of good quality; the introduction now gives a summary of the article, the actual article is much more comprehensive and is now much more adaquaetly referenced.--Markrox91 10:50, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

(+0)
Support
 * 1) Now if only we can GA Tesar.  Ifindyourlackoffaithdisturbing  ( You're all clear kid! )( Now let's blow this thing and go home! ) 21:20, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Wynssa Fel 15:48, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Needs Personality and traits section and one for Behind the scenes.  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  20:36, 4 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Toprawa:
 * 3) *Everything must be sourced, including the infobox and every paragraph.
 * 4) **Some paragraphs are still missing sources, and the intro should not be sourced. Toprawa and Ralltiir 15:59, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) * Quotes must not be located in the middle of a section, only at the top of sections
 * 6) * Ref notes should come after punctuation, not before, and not two spaces after punctuation
 * 7) *Certainly some more quotes could be found to head up these sections
 * 8) *Please use the Insider template for the appropriate sources.
 * 9) **And as a personal recommendation to both the nominator and those who have voted on this article so far, please read the rules at the top of the GAN page and familiarize yourselves with our Manual of Style before nominating or voting on articles. Do not just vote on something because you like the concept of an article. Thank you. Toprawa and Ralltiir 16:11, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) ***I've addressed all of, or close to all, your concerns. And please don't think i nominated this article on pure whim; i worked very long and very hard on it. Congradulations on becoming an administrator, by the way =]--Markrox91 09:36, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) ****You've still got a bit of work to do to satisfy the objections above. And thank you for your comment. :) Toprawa and Ralltiir 16:03, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) Missing info from Enemy Lines. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 21:18, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * 1) Have added Personality and traits section, as well as the Behind the scenes one.--Markrox91 02:12, 5 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) I have written the German article about Saba and I think that she finished her jedi training before the Yuuzhan Vong war has begun. Wynssa Fel 20:35, 11 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) You are right! I've just taken care of it and placed the info about her Jedi training under Master Eelysa in an Early Life section =]--Markrox91 10:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Yeah I'm right!^^ I have there one more thing which I had already written on the discussion: In the introductory sentence stand, that Saba was promoted to a Jedi Master after the Yuuzhan Vong War but wasn't she in Star by Star at that rank? Wynssa Fel 21:14, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Nope, because she was the only Jedi Knight to be a member of the Galactic Alliance High Council which wasn't created until Destiny's Way.--Markrox91 10:57, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Karka Kre'fey

 * Nominated by: --Colinmcev 07:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: This one was slightly easier than Gara Petothel. :D --Colinmcev 07:17, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

(+4)
Support
 * 1)  Aqua  Unasi  17:26, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) User:Akronstreetbum Very good job Master Ovnone 03:03, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Great job, Colinmcev. DC 06:12, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Darth Xadún ( Consult the Holocron ) 08:06, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Xadún - 
 * 2) * "The Kre'fey family reputation suffered greatly in 6.5 ABY after the First Battle of Borleias, an unsuccessful New Republic effort to capture Borleias, a planet in the Pyria system, for use as a launching pad for an eventual assault on Imperial-controlled Coruscant." Dodgy prose here, try breaking this down.
 * 3) **Fixed it a bit. -- Colinmcev 16:47, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) *** Still not great. Try using multiple sentences instead of one long one with lots of commas. I recommend you cut off after "....a planet in the Pyria system", and adjust the second half of the sentence so it makes sense.
 * 5) ****Better? -- Colinmcev 02:17, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) *****Muchly.
 * 7) * Same here - "Darkfighter, inwardly citing a new sense of discipline he learned from the squadron, refused the offer and instead offered a handshake to Karka Kre'fey, which he refused to accept."
 * 8) **Better? -- Colinmcev 16:47, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) *** Yes. But try to avoid using the same verb/adjective in consecutive sentences (in this case "offored") as it can sound a little repetitive.
 * 10) ****Good call. Changed the first reference. -- Colinmcev 02:17, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) *****You ended up with 2 instances of refused, I took the liberty of changing one. Darth Xadún ( Consult the Holocron ) 08:06, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) *Otherwise, fine. Darth Xadún ( Consult the Holocron ) 18:25, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) **Thanks for the suggestions! --Colinmcev 02:17, 14 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) Toprawa:
 * 15) *I just want to make sure the book actually presets this idea. If not, it would be OR: "and arguably the most celebrated Bothan military leader of his time."
 * 16) **Actually, it's X-Wing: Wedge's Gamble that presents it; it describes him as the Bothan's "most celebrated military leader," but I included arguably because that same sentence indicates he fell from grace at Borleias. I added the citation to that book. -- Colinmcev 06:40, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 17) *Same with this. The way this is written makes it seem as if the Darklighter tangle was not just an isolated incident. Does the book allude to other instances in which his temper flared up like this? "at times resorting to force in attempts to defend the family's honor."
 * 18) **Eh...I guess you're right here. I changed the wording to indicate that it happens on at least one occasion. Better? -- Colinmcev 06:40, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 19) *I'm confused by what you're trying to say here. The battle would have angered him? Please clarify: "which angered Kre'fey more than the duel itself would have"
 * 20) **The book indicates he was more angry about Gavin's reaction than losing a fight would have. Changed the wording to reflect this. -- Colinmcev 06:40, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 21) *Something could also be added to the end of the biography, explaining that it was actually to Kreyfey's benefit that Darklighter refused him, as explained in the SWE: "Fortunately for Karka Kre'fey, Darklighter refused to fight." This is only alluded to in the P/T.
 * 22) **I hear what you're saying, although I found it hard to word. (Rather than just saying something like "Gavin would've won.") If you think my wording needs to be changed, feel free to make a suggestion or change it yourself. -- Colinmcev 06:40, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 23) *In accordance with the second objection, this, too, makes it seem like he did this almost habitually, when I believe the book is the only instance which would validate this claim: "was so headstrong and adamant about defending his family that he would provoke confrontations"
 * 24) **Made a similar change as above. -- Colinmcev 06:40, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 25) *And ditto: "Karka Kre'fey sometimes demonstrated behavior that contradicted those virtues"
 * 26) **I think this wording is OK. Even if he did it only once (which seems unlikely, given the nature of the character), I think it would be safe to use the word "sometimes." I'd rather leave it worded this way than add yet another "on at least one occasion," but if you really don't feel you can strike the objection, I'll do that. -- Colinmcev 06:40, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 27) *Something could definitely be added to the BTS. Maybe an explanation of how he serves as a minor antagonist in the development and maturity of Gavin Darklighter
 * 28) **Added something.
 * 29) *No info from his secondary mention? At the very least, some kind of explanation of this mention could be added to the BTS. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:43, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 30) **I added it to the BTS. I think it only belongs here, since the only mention in that book is the fact that he was related to Traest Kre'fey. -- Colinmcev 06:40, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Peshk Vri'syk

 * Nominated by: -- Colinmcev 05:28, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination Comments: Another X-wing Bothan... -- Colinmcev 05:28, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

(+2)
Support
 * 1) -  Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 08:11, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) --Eyrezer 04:08, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Object
 * I think the first two sentences of the intro need to be reworkd. They sseem to repeat themselves. Also, are there any quotes said by Peshk himself? --Eyrezer 06:17, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the only problem was repeating Rogue Squadron's name twice. I fixed it. Better? As for the quotes, there are literally NO quotes ever spoken by Peshk. It was hard enough finding things people said about him! lol -- Colinmcev 15:25, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've edited it myself so that the BMA bit is not sandwiched between info on Rouge Squadron. Let me know if that's alright. --Eyrezer 04:21, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Tis fine. -- Colinmcev 12:29, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see a minor addition to the last section. In Isard's Revenge, Wedge remembers Peshk among the pilots who've perished who were closest to him, along with Ibtisam and a few others. It shows that Wedge never forgot him, and that he was fond of him. Other than that, good work as usual on a marginal X-wing character. :-D -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 15:31, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Marginal X-wing character is my middle name! :D Added the reference; looks like it's still a few words shy of 1,000... -- Colinmcev 03:41, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) From the squadron briefing of Cavalier One:
 * 2) * I'm not sure if linking the Bothan Combat Response Element is wise - there's no mention of it outside the DarkStryder Campaign as far as I know, and the only information given is that it is a Bothan fleet, under Bothan control, allied to the NR. The exact form of attachment is currently unknown. Unless specifically refered to in Rogue Squadron, I would remove that link.
 * 3) **Ok. -- Colinmcev 23:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) * Did Vri'syk request the transfer, or was he put forward by the Bothans? - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 13:09, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) **Checked back and couldn't find a specific answer, so I changed the wording to be more vague. -- Colinmcev 23:22, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Xadún's Dun Möch - as requested.
 * 7) *"...pilot Asyr Sei'lar, who was his equal when they were trained" - Do we know this for certain, or is it just a claim made Sei'lar?
 * 8) **I suppose it's just her own claim. Added that to the article. -- Colinmcev 06:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) *"Bothan politicians, particularly Borsk Fey'lya of the New Republic Provisional Council, were pushing for a member of their species to be placed in Rogue Squadron due to the assistance Bothan spies provided the Rebel Alliance with the plans for the Death Star II, which ultimately led to the Imperial battle station's destruction." This sentence doens't make grammatical sense. Also, didn't the Feyl'lya or another Bothan want a Rogue squadron pilot because of the prestige of the squadron's name? I seem to recall the Bothan Council wanting a part of than legacy that came with Rogue Squadron. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 * 10) **All the references I've found in the book are Bothans using the Death Star II thing as the leverage to get a pilot into Rogue Squadron, in addition to the neutrality thing I mentioned. Didn't see anything about the Bothan Council. I reworded the sentence. -- Colinmcev 06:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) *I think you should mention the fact Vri'syk flew an X-wing much earlier than the "Death" section - I recommend incorporating it into the line about being designated Rogue Two.
 * 12) ** Added it to the Rogue Squadron section. -- Colinmcev 06:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) *Any references available to previous piloting experience available? E.g. the sorts of ships he flew At the Bothan Academy.
 * 14) ** Not in the source material that includes Peshk, so I don't think it would be appropriate to include. -- Colinmcev 06:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) *Is Vri'syk not mentioned in the Bacta War? Since Sei'lar Takes over his position, I thought their might be another appearence. Since the Opening Bio quote is from The Krytos Trap, I was a little curious.
 * 16) ** He's not mentioned, I looked all over. And actually, I think she took over his position in Krytos Trap, not Bacta War, which explains the lack of a mention. -- Colinmcev 06:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 17) *I think this is better than Kre'fey. Keep up the good work, Col. Darth Xadún ( Consult the Holocron ) 08:48, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Lady Tarkin

 * Nominated by:Ozzel 01:18, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments:

(+0)
Support
 * 1) Darth Star... DC 15:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Colinmcev 05:12, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) POV-ish header: "Megonite megalomaniac." --Imperialles 01:20, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) She the proceeded her banquet hall to host the Imperial Diplomatic Conclave, for guests such as Shea Hublin, Chancellor Qua of the Zenox Star Cluster, the Most High Proctor of Thebeon 8, and Darth Vader himself. By this do you mean She then proceeded to her banquet hall to host the Imperial Diplomatic Conclave for guests such as Shea Hublin, Chancellor Qua of the Zenox Star Cluster, the Most High Proctor of Thebeon 8 and Darth Vader himself? Soresumakashi 09:23, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) *Indeed. Fixed. -- Ozzel 11:02, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Darth Star? Is this like a mistake or joke or something of that sort? =D DC 12:10, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) *I think that was the original name. :-p Nah, I typed that once and then was clumsy enough to copy it, and then I didn't catch either one. -- Ozzel 21:39, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) From the desk of Atarumaster88
 * 7) *The intro is a bit confusing with which Tarkin is being referenced.
 * 8) **Addressed. -- Ozzel 08:44, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) *"Her fate is unknown". This must die on sight.
 * 10) **I'll think about this one some more. -- Ozzel 08:44, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) *Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 20:52, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) Nice job with this, and cool subject. A few suggestions... -- Colinmcev 02:56, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) * Could you try rewording "Lady Tarkin was the cousin of Commander Conan Motti—and it was for the connection to her powerful relatives such as he that Wilhuff Tarkin married the woman." You already mentioned the Motti family in the previous sentence, so perhaps something like "Wilhuff Tarkin married her due to her powerful family connections, such as her cousin, Commander Conan Motti" or something like that? -- Colinmcev 02:56, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) **Done. -- Ozzel 08:44, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) * I don't feel strongly about this objection, but I'm not sure this needs to be in the behind the scenes: "Also, no source has yet indicated whether or not she was aware of her husband's affair with Natasi Daala." -- Colinmcev 02:56, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 16) **I wouldn't be crushed if it was removed, but I thought it was worth noting because it's a pretty major part of her character that we don't know. If she didn't know about Daala, then she was just blindly devoted to Wilhuff, but if she did, then that puts a different spin on things. And since the Biography was written with the knowledge of Daala, someone might just assume that she knew, so I thought it was best to make it clear that we don't know either way. -- Ozzel 08:44, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 17) ***Fair enough. -- Colinmcev 05:12, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Fall of Bastion

 * Nominated by: DC 07:17, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Insert smart-aleck comment here.

(+3)
Support
 * 1)  Aqua  Unasi  02:46, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Good work (GOOD! ged it?? ;D) - Kingpin13Cantina Battle Ground 07:03, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Graestan ( Talk ) 23:57, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Kingpin13:
 * 2) * Bold in quote. Now I’m aware that this is from a comic, but I’m not sure about the bold. I’d say change this to just italic.
 * 3) **Un-bolded it.
 * 4) * Could use, if possible with-out messing up the article layout, one or two more images.
 * 5) **It would screw up the layout. Im sorry. =(
 * 6) * I haven’t read this comic, as I’m not a big fan of comics. But are you sure that it doesn’t have more appearances? (e.g. mentioned in the next comic)
 * 7) **It is mentioned in more issues. I guess I forgot about that. =P
 * 8) * ”Though his daughter was on the run, Fel ordered his Imperial Knights, especially Draco and Krieg, to keep away from Marasiah” could be expanded worded better (i.e. Why especially Draco and Krieg? Why should they keep away from her anyway?).
 * 9) **Expanded on that.
 * 10) *Otherwise seems like a good article to me, I might spot a few more things, and quite a lot of the spelling was off, don’t know if I got it all so you may want to check over that. Keep it up! - Kingpin13Cantina Battle Ground
 * 11) **Thanks for the review. DC 02:28, 20 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) From the homeword filled desk of Aqua Unasi
 * 13) * Can you source the Previous, Concurrent, and Next battles in the infobox?
 * 14) **I believed that was aganist the MOS, but I checked some battle FA's, and they have those sourced. Fixed.
 * 15) * With Bastion under Fel's command, Fel moved to gather his forces against Fel, hoping to keep his quiet takeover of Bastion a secret to the galaxy, especially to Krayt. I'm assuming one of those Fels is supposed to be something else...
 * 16) **Yes, I see whre you're coming from. Fixed.
 * 17) * Ditto on Kingpin's objection: Why did Fel order the Knights to stay away from his daughter?
 * 18) **See the above.
 * 19) *Nice article :)  Aqua  Unasi  16:08, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 20) **Thanks for the review. DC 02:27, 20 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Lon Bennor

 * Nominated by: - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 14:56, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Short, sweet, maybe not particularly interesting, but not bad for a character who is only mentioned in one paragraph. - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 14:56, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

(+2)
Support
 * 1) Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 09:20, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Pixelle ( Talk! ) 16:15, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

Comments

Tren

 * Nominated by: Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 11:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Another short, sweet, one paragraph mention character. - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 11:15, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

(+0)
Support

Oppose
 * 1) In the last sentence of the "Behind the scenes" you use the word 'adventure' three times. Is there a chance that that could be reworded a bit so as to get rid of some of the repetition? Pixelle ( Talk! ) 16:10, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Kause

 * Nominated by: Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 17:10, 22 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination Comments: On a DarkStryder roll ... - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 17:10, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

(+1)
Support
 * 1) A few minor fixes made, but overall a nice little article :) Pixelle ( Talk! ) 16:24, 24 August 2008 (UTC)

Oppose Comments
 * 1) Kingpin:
 * 2) *Just a couple of things, firstly, can you make it a bit more Kause's story, rather than the council's? If not then could you just add "Kause and the council" in place of "the council".
 * 3) *And secondly, in the personality and traits section, could you change the wording slightly, so that instead of saying why he did certain things, you say that he had such and such personality, if that's not possible then that's fine.
 * 4) *A couple more things I've noticed since then: Does this person have a known surname?
 * 5) *And I presumed last time that there wasn't any images of him, just thought I should check that. If he doesn't have images of him please try and add images of related things.
 * 6) *Great article and I don't really see this as an objection, rather some things that could possibly be improved, if not then I'll still support this whole-heartedly - Kingpin13Cantina Battle Ground 11:47, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

 * Nominated by: NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 03:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination Comments: I think it may finally be ready... NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 03:03, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

(+0)
Support

Oppose
 * 1) An excess of redlinks and the synopsis needs to be written in present tense. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 14:14, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) *There is no limit towards how many redlinks can be in a GA. DC 15:50, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Q-series droideka

 * Nominated by: -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)  (Chow) 01:28, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination Comments: Attempt #2. -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)  (Chow) 01:28, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

(+1)
Support
 * 1) Seems good to me, somebody else might spot something, but at the moment I can't see anything, nice article. - Kingpin13Cantina Battle Ground 18:31, 27 August 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) From the homework strewn Aqua Unasi
 * 2) *After my quick read through, it's a very good article, and for me the only issue is with the sourcing for it. It's tricky with it being a very similar variant of the droideka. It appears the sources and appearances list contains onones that specifically state Q-series Droideka, which is good. My question is, is there still information about droidekas in general in the article?
 * 3) **For example, there's the information in the article taken from Suvivor's Quest'. I just read Survivor's Quest and is the Q-series specifically in there? I don't believe so, plus Survivor's Quest is not on the appearances list. I would go through and make sure you only talk about what is known about the Q-series, not talking about things known just about the droideka in general.
 * 4) **Also, some things about the characteristics of the Q-series. Is it anywhere stated that all of the physical aspects of it were the same as the droidekas, or something like only this one thing is different and the rest are the same as other droidekas? It may very well be, but if it's not said, characteristics based solely off the droideka may have to be removed. Example: the height 1.83 meters in the infobox might not be able to be sourced by something referring only to droidekas unless you have proof that their characteristics are the same.
 * 5) *A good article and nice work - once these things are sorted through I'll support, though I may come back after looking at it with more detail. :P  Aqua  Unasi  18:42, 27 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I see what you're saying. This is tricky business indeed here. While I can't find a specific source that says the Q-series had everything the original had, a simple comparison of the pictures shows this. Since this model is a variant of the original droideka, I believe the same facts regarding the original model should be allowed in the article unless a specific source states otherwise (e.g. that the Q-series were not 1.83 meters). -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)  (Chow) 22:40, 27 August 2008 (UTC)