User talk:SavageBob

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Whrr
I was recently reviewing Lin-D and noticed you just had a Characteristics section, instead of a P&T and a Description one. Whrr, a droid I plan to nom, has both a P&T and a Description. Should I combine the two? Thanks, 501st  dogma ( talk ) 16:34, May 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * There is no layout guide for droid articles (although there needs to be one). I'd just go with whatever you think is best until such time as we can create a CT to establish a layout for droids. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 17:32, May 12, 2012 (UTC)

Redlinks in Gand
Hey, I tackled two of the redlinks in Gand, mainly Aulus G'luun and Unidentified Gand scavenger. I just reworded the information in the article to make some stubs, but I got those two at least. The others I don't know enough to make sufficient stubs for, so I'm just reminding you about them since you put them there. :P The easy ones were tackled, though. They need pictures, possibly more information, but that's at least two redlinks down, two to go.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 05:01, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Interview
Hey, Bob,

Two months ago I interviewed Cav for the NewsNet about FAs and FA writing. Would you be interested in doing a similar interview? You're one of the most prolific FA writers on the site right now, and your love of species articles would make for an interesting interview. I'd also love to get your thoughts on some of the questions I asked Cav. What do you think? I could e-mail you the questions or post them here; your choice. Let me know! Menkooroo 05:39, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, Menk! I'm blushing! Sorry I missed this yesterday. Sure, I'd be happy to answer some questions. Cav last year sent Eyrezer and me some questions regarding the Aliens Wookieeproject that was supposed to make it to the blog, so my only hesitation would be that it'd end up a SavageBob overload on the blog. But feel free to send the questions and we can discuss all that in email? ~ Savage BOB sig.png 14:09, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

WP:AS questionnaire
Hah, I'd forgotten about that! Sure, I'm still interested to do the piece. Wing some answers over and I'll write it up. might need to update my notes on the WP:AS stats, but that should be nothing hard. - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 10:47, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Vodran
Nice work, Bob. Also, check my comment regarding the example names on the nom page; I think a case can be made for including them as actual individual articles. - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 10:47, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Yeah, I think I disagree with the CUSWE on this one. Since AA and UAA label those lists "Example Names," it strikes me as too speculative to assume that means "Example [Vodrans]." Clearly some of them are based on known individuals of the species, but the others need to wait for some identification, in my opinion. But I'm open to convincing. :) ~ Savage BOB sig.png 14:07, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Vodran confusion
Sorry, perhaps I should leave the WP:AS updating to the nominator, but it is just so satisfying to update all the projects! By the way, you only have 2 species FANs at the moment. Your standards are slipping! --Eyrezer 14:23, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ha, no it's fine! I didn't notice your update. :P Yeah, the droids Barn Burner has consumed some of my summer energy. What can I say; I have a soft spot for droids! But there're more species waiting in the wings! ~ Savage BOB sig.png 14:25, May 15, 2012 (UTC)

Mandalore the Vindicated
Hey Bob, I'm lookin to work on the article, any info I need to know? I don't have access to TOR, unfortunately (curses!). Any info would be greatly appreciate.&mdash; 17:12, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, Kasra! I'm out of town for a few days and unable to log into TOR, but I'll see if there's anything in the codex when I get a chance. As for whether he plays a role in any quests, I don't think so. He may only be referenced in the codex. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 16:38, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

A message
Hey, Bob, when you get a chance, Nif Sarjun's feeling a little offended. Apparently, he heard that you didn't know he spoke Nautila, so he'd like to talk to you here. :P Cade   Calrayn   19:53, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Bob, I saw you in the RC feed a minute ago, and I just thought I'd let you know Sarjun's ready to go whenever you are. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 04:37, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, Bob, you kinda forgot something :P You didn't sign your name to the support section. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 05:24, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Per someone's (can't remember who) suggestion, I added an "unsigned" and an EC to the support section of Nif Sarjun, since your edit summary said report and you changed the number of EC's supporting. I've archived him already. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 16:16, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Whoops! Yeah, I'm on the road, so sorry if I forgot. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 06:01, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Request for help (Charal)
Hello Savage Bob. I have a special request for you. As you probably know, I've been trying to improve the quality of my work here on the Wook for a few weeks. Unfortunately, my ability to produce good English prose isn't proportional to my enthusiasm, alack! I should be ashamed, because I'm supposed to be "upper intermediate level", but it seems my English skills are slmowly withering... Well, to make a long story short, I'd like to know if you could proof-read my improvement project for the Charal article. I know you're much more into Ewok-related things than Nightsisters, but after all, Charal was in The Battle for Endor, wasn't she? ;-) Cheers. --LelalMekha 10:26, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, Lelal, I'd be happy to look over Charal for you. :) It may be a few days, since I'm out of town. Je connais les problêmes de langues puisque mon français est en train de diminuer aussi... :) ~ Savage BOB sig.png 16:41, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why, thank you. I'm not in a hurry, I'll be busy myself&mdash;you know, exams and other such things. Anyway, you can check my progress on the article at any time. So you've learnt some amount of French. How come you did, if I may ask? --LelalMekha 17:00, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've taught English abroad in a few places, including Francophone West Africa. I learned there! :) ~ Savage BOB sig.png 16:04, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Good Lord! You mean I'm talking broken English in front of a teacher? ;-) I'm a French language teacher myself, even if I'm not... teaching currently. (Let us come back to the topic; I think I should stop working on the Charal article for now, because it's becoming, well, too long. The longer it gets without being checked, the more mistakes there will be.)--LelalMekha 16:13, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey Savage. As you can see on my user page, I'll be on Wookievacation from now on and during the month of June due to the upcoming exam session. However, if you ever happen to review the Charal article and/or have questions about my edits, I'll still come and take a look now and then. Cheers. --LelalMekha 12:17, May 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot, Savage. I'll have a look at your copy edit right now. :) (And thank you for your kind words too.) --LelalMekha 15:15, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

I see you included some notes when asking for explanations. These are mostly issues of vocabulary, I think, but they are important. Here we go, then:
 * 1) Fading black – Yes, it's an equestrian term. That means its color tends to turn a reddish brown because of the sweat and the sun. But it may be too specific to be used in the article... I have explained it in the BtS section of Charal's stallion, anyway.
 * 2) 'Only long enough to secure herself passage for freedom' – I mean that she didn't plan to stay with the Sanyassans forever. All she wanted was a ship with a capable crew, but she probably would have left them in due time. (That's what The Illustrated Star Wars Universe says.)
 * 3) Cohort vs. Consort – Some time ago, I did use 'consort'. But Oxford dictionaries define 'consort' as 'a wife, husband, or companion, in particular the spouse of a reigning monarch'. I don't really believe there was a romance or a marriage between Charal and Terak... Furthemore, Charal was described as 'the cohort of Terak, king of the Marauders' in A Guide to the Star Wars Universe, Second Edition.
 * 4) 'I will be pleased if you find my slave whom hasn't returned' – SW Galaxies, as you know, can't be played anymore, so I have to rely on second-hand sources. This was the spelling used in my sources (mainly SWG wiki).

I think the "consort" thing is important. I always wondered myslef if Terak and Charal were "king and queen" together or separately... --LelalMekha 15:40, May 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarifications! Yes, I wonder if "fading black" is too jargony for an article. You could keep it in there, but explain what it means briefly in an appositive phrase. After all, I'm all for teaching folks new words and phrases! :) I think my confusion over the "passage for freedom" bit is that it sounds like Charal wasn't already free when she was with the Marauders, and that she didn't already have passage with the Marauders. Would it be better to say something like, "only long enough to secure herself passage with a different vessel"? As for cohort vs. consort, I think you are right. The word implies a romantic or matrimonial relationship. I'm most familiar with the word cohort to mean a group of people, which is why I questioned the term, but I see that there is another definition that means something like minion or lackey colleague, companion, or associate. You might consider using synonyms for cohort at least once or twice, in case other readers have the same mental hiccup I did. Finally, if that's the quote from the game, there should be a [sic] added after whom, I think, since it's improper usage. Thanks for checking in, and good luck with the remainder of the article! ~ Savage BOB sig.png 15:52, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Sanyassan full body picture
As I told you on the Sanyassan article talk page, good full body pics aree hard to come by in this move. It seems our best option would be using one of those concept art reused in the narrative of The Illustrated Star Wars Universe (and thus brought back into canon).

There is another option though, but I'm afraid we wouldn't be allowed to use it. While I was looking for more info on Charal in Star Wars Galaxies, I came across the webpage of Jason Temujin Minor, who was Character Lead and eventually Art Director of Galaxies. If you look in his portfolio, you'll see 3D renders of Terak and two other random Sanyassans. But I suppose we wouldn't be allowed to use them, would we? --LelalMekha 14:46, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Those are great renders! Unfortunately, you're right: we can't use them since they're not canon. They're more like BTS images I think. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 16:04, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's what I was afraid you'd say. Anyway, I'll let you check in SW Chronicles as soon as you are at home again, and then we'll see what our options are.--LelalMekha 16:15, May 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I should have access to Chronicles tomorrow evening. But in the meantime, do you have access to The Ring, the Witch, and the Crystal: An Ewok Adventure? There are some decent full-body shots of Sanyassans in that source that might be usable. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 19:54, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do have a copy of it. I've uploaded one or two pics from that book lately. Any specific request in mind? --LelalMekha 20:32, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, there is a full-body image of a Sanyassan leaning against a tree, and there are a couple of full-body pictures of Terak on his throne. Any of these might work for the infobox. What do you think? ~ Savage BOB sig.png 21:41, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll upload those you mentioned, and then we'll decide. I also happen to remember there was a black and white Marauder pic in The Essential Guide to Alien Species. --LelalMekha 21:54, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * There we are. The picture fishing was good as you can see (I didn't insert the pictures in your talk page, or I'd have turned it into a mess... But you can see them in the recently uploaded files). Now let's see what you think.--LelalMekha 22:53, May 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, you're right. There is an image in EGAS that might be perfect. It's not in color, but it's at least a full-body image. And I love the work of R. K. Post. :) In the meantime, I can't find the images you uploaded from the children's book. Can you link to them here? ~ Savage BOB sig.png 14:56, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, certainly. Here they are. The art is a bit naive, especially on the one with the Sanyassan reclining against a tree, but they work fine too, in their own way.Sanyassan_full_body.pngTerak_throne.png--LelalMekha 15:03, May 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I see what you mean. I uploaded File:Sanyassan (EGAS).jpg, but the version I have access to is not very good. I've started a Senate Hall thread to ask someone for a better scan. Also, I checked Star Wars: Chronicles, and there is an excellent image that would be perfect&mdash;if it were in-canon. The image is of one of the Sanyassan extras from Battle for Endor, but the caption leaves ambiguous whether the image is in-canon or not, since it speaks only about the "costume." The page seems to be absent from Amazon.com's searchable version of the book, so I'll see if I can scan it later. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 16:29, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's a very nice pic you've found there. It "in-universeness" may be debatable, but I certainly won't complain! --LelalMekha 18:32, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, the caption says something about "various sketches and costumes of Terak's Marauders." The sketches it talks about are now in-canon thanks to The Illustrated Star Wars Universe, and "costume" can be an in- and out-of-universe term. So I figured let's go with it! :) ~ Savage BOB sig.png 18:36, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * After all, we have used that kind of picture in the past, haven't we? IN a way, many posed pictures from the visual guides are OOU in the first place. --LelalMekha 18:46, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Hey
Hey, can you log into the imperial side for a bit please? I'll meet you there whenever. Thanks,  —Tommy  9281  Wednesday, May 23, 2012, 14:08 UTC 
 * Hey, sorry, Tommy. I'm out of town and have limited Internet access until tomorrow evening. Feel free to dash me an email if necessary, or I can try to meet you up tomorrow sometime. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 18:15, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

It's coming!!
Game Update 1.3: Allies has officially been announced - and Character Transfer is one of the components. I started a project forum topic here, so we can start to get our act together and decide on a home server when they release more info. But it's coming! Soon! *does happy dance* Cade   Calrayn   22:55, May 23, 2012 (UTC)

Objections

 * Just a heads up that your objections on 30th Anniversary Bash are now two weeks old and have been addressed. Gal-icon.jpg  OLIOSTER  (talk) 12:29, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Barn-burner 4
I would just like to thank you for your participation in the barn-burner. So far only three article have been nominated, but we have ten more being nominated. If you have time, please stop over at the review pages and give the barn-burner articles a review. Since some people wanted the barn-burner to be in June, I was thinking that we should extend it through June to catch more nominations. If you have any comments please reply on the Barn-burner page. Thank you for your participation!-- Exiled Jedi   (Greetings)  12:33, May 26, 2012 (UTC)

XLT-014 labor droid
Hey Bob, mind checking out your objections to XLT-014 labor droid? Much appreciated! 1358 (Talk)  18:02, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Whoops! Revisited. Thanks for the reminder. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 18:47, May 29, 2012 (UTC)

Speak like a Sith
I was so excited when I saw this article I absolutely needed to tell someone. ^^ I'm such a language nerd, you see, and I've been waiting for this for a long time. I'll be working on the "Sith language article" in my spare time. --LelalMekha 15:54, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * I know! It's really nice when the Insider publishes something like this since the magazine has mostly become an ode to the Clone Wars cartoons in the last few years. I'm not so much a Sith fan, but I'll keep an eye on your expansion of the Sith language article. It should be a fun one to expand. :) ~ Savage BOB sig.png 15:59, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * One of my regrets was that Star Wars didn't have properly developped conlangs, unlike STar Trek. Well, there's Mandalorian of course, but I think it's a bit too specific as a language.--LelalMekha 16:02, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Sourcing
Hey Bob, Ecks has built us a new version of TORCite on User:Xd1358/test. I think it looks great&mdash;should we put it to a vote or just announce that we're updating it? I looked at the "what links here" for TORCite currently, and it's under 500 pages. Changing that many's... doable, I think. Cade  Calrayn   22:28, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Generally, I think it's fine to update a template if it's being improved. Just to be safe, maybe announce on a Forum page that you'll be implementing the new version in 24 or 48 hours just as a courtesy? And will the new template break the old one if those 500 articles aren't updated immediately? ~ Savage BOB sig.png 22:55, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, Trayus suggested that I create it at TORcite instead of TORCite, since templates are case sensitive, and I've done so: Template:TORcite. I'm starting to make my way through those articles using the old template and updating them, so we'll be able to delete the old one eventually to prevent confusion. As for a forum announcement... I'm not the best at those. Where would I do it, to start with? Our project forums or a full-fledged SH topic? Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 23:16, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool! Yeah, I meant the WookieeProject's forums. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 23:33, May 30, 2012 (UTC)

Palejo Reshad
Hello Bob, does Behind the Magic have pictures and/or fully mention Palejo Reshad? I believe it was made after his CCG card, so similarly to others, it could actually have a brief bio of him. Thanks in advance. Hanzo Hasashi 01:29, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh and you also have both Annotated Screenplays and Art of Star Wars, would the scripts in either of those indirectly mention Bob Hudsol (one of the other Rebel Commanders with Leia and Jan Dodonna in the control room during the Yavin battle, and also seen standing behind her at the ending ceremony)? Hanzo Hasashi 01:41, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * The scripts mention "other officers of the Rebellion" standing with Leia and Dodonna around in the control room. Later during the ceremony, the script says "Dodonna and several other dignitaries stand behind the Princess Leia." So that's probably an indirect mention of Hudsol.
 * There's no entry in BTM for Reshad, but he might be pictured in the scene-by-scene feature. Where should I look for him in Jabba's Palace? What scenes is he visible in during the film? ~ Savage BOB sig.png 14:13, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * He can be seen several time standing behind Jabba: when Oola falls into the Rancor pit, when Boushh stands before Jabba and when Jabba sentences the heroes to the Pit of Carkoon. Palejo is hard to spot, he is standing next to Rennek however. I could share photos with you if it helps. Hanzo Hasashi 14:24, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, in that case, he's visible in BTM in a few of the stills from the Boussh scene. Rennek is visible too. Hope this helps! ~ Savage BOB sig.png 14:33, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Hanzo Hasashi 15:42, May 31, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Gandspeak
Thanks! I'll prolly tack it into the Bts in some form or another. I also have some ritual/titles to add that Darth Batrus made pages for. This week, I'll get around to tackling all of those in one go, and figuring out some context so that I can fill in those last redlinks.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 03:25, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Oh. My. God.
Look. At. This.

Spectacular, isn't it? I'm so looking forward to that stuff! Culator is excited about HK-51. No word yet on Update 1.3 yet, though. Cade  Calrayn   01:42, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow! I'm most excited about the new Gree info. I wish I was the guy who wrote "The Gree Enclave". For a random Star Wars Adventure Journal article, the Bioware team sure has given it a lot of love! : ) ~ Savage BOB sig.png 01:48, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Gank
Hello, since you seem to have done some work on the Gank article when it was reviewed recently, I figured I'd ask you about it. I found a mention of "ganks" in Star Wars: The Old Republic, where it is used an insultory term. The Twi'lek Gele'ren uses the term as part of the Bounty Hunter quest line on Nar Shaddaa. I added it to the appearance list as a mentioned only "used as insult". How do you think this should this be mentioned in the body of the article? Thank you for your time.-- Exiled Jedi   (Greetings)  16:36, June 5, 2012 (UTC) "Anyone can kill a gank on the street, but the Eidolon specialized in impossible targets."
 * Oh wow, nice catch! Do you have the full quote? I might like to add that to the article when I finally expand it (hopefully) this summer. For now, you could just put it in "Ganks in the galaxy" and mention that some used the term as an insult. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 18:44, June 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Here are two quotes that I found:

- Gele'ren

"Eidolon security supplies that ganks with billions of credits of munitions every year."

- Gele'ren

In the game, "gank" is in lower case. I'll add a mention in the article.-- Exiled Jedi   (Greetings)  18:58, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Droid Barn-Burner extension
Hello,, this is Exiled Jedi, and I am here to tell you that barn-burner 4 has been extended into June. We have currently passed three comprehensive articles, and have four featured article nominations and eight good article nominations. So if you have the time, stop by and review some of the articles for the barn-burner. Also, it would be great if each of the barn-burner contributors could do one more nomination each, so that we could have a good turn-out! Have a nice day, and happy editing!-- Exiled Jedi   (Greetings)  13:49, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Two things
Hello Bob, if you have the time, can you check adaptations and other sources for Palejo Reshad? I did ask Menkooroo a while ago, but he doesn't seem to have been active here lately, and also I know you have access to some adaptations/sources that he doesn't. Can you also tell me whatever info Behind the Magic has on Bursk and Narthax? Those are two of the snowtroopers who get killed by Wampas in an ESB deleted scene, and I'm guessing that BTM has that info about both of them. Hanzo Hasashi 19:45, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Addendum: from reading Wampa's BTS, indeed that deleted scene is mentioned by BTM. So I am wondering if there's any more info related to Narthax and Bursk. Hanzo Hasashi 19:51, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, Hanzo, I'd be happy to help, but I'm actually out of town doing some summer study away from my book collection. I won't have access to my library again until August, unfortunately. :( Please remind me then if you haven't been able to find anyone to help you at that point. And good luck! ~ Savage BOB sig.png 20:12, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Hanzo Hasashi 20:20, June 7, 2012 (UTC)

Re:
Hy. Well, I was thinking that we should name the articles like we do with the rest of the unidentified characters, by numbering them. I think it's pointless to name them by the action they do, we should either number them and/or add the specific location they were on if the article already exists, like Unidentified Rodian prisoner and Unidentified Rodian (Republic Detention Center) to avoid confusion.

Sanyassan clothing in "SW Chronicles"
Hello SavageBob. As you possess a copy of Star Wars: Chronicles, would you be kind enough to tell me if there are interesting descriptions of the Sanyassan costumes in it? I intend to keep improving the Sanyassan article, and I think a paragraph about their clothes would be welcome in the "culture" section. Cheers. --LelalMekha 19:52, June 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, Lelal! I'm glad you're improving the Sanyassan article. There's really no description of the clothing other than some images. In other words, there's nothing in Chronicles that you can't glean yourself from The Battle for Endor, unfortunately. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 02:39, June 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Aw, by the immortal gods of the Sith! That a pity. Thanks for checking though. ;-) --LelalMekha 08:24, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

New guild member
Hey, Bob, I actually managed to catch someone while fishing for new members in TOR. Her (I think it's a her) is now Glitterstim, and she's a lvl 50 Gunslinger named Sorona. I basically told her to do some edits here or there, and set her to Recruit status. Apparently, she uses our site a lot to settle lore/canon disputes in-game, and she was interested in our guild. I also attracted two other people's attention, but they're a little more wary. I think once we get enough members, we should definitely invite non-editor members to "tank" our "ranged", to use a game metaphor. But yeah, I was going to tell Trayus about the new user, since I have really no idea what to do going forward with the new user. Just wanted to let you know. Cade  Calrayn   15:12, June 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Awesome; sounds great! I'll stop by to say hi on her page. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 15:14, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Caamasi
Thanks very much for your compliments, I'll remember to add the citations next time. Andykatib 22:07, 19th July 2012 (UTC)

Rex
Excellent stuff, Bobbo. Star Tours may just have been the last wacky/obscure source from which we had no status articles. Have some champagne! Menkooroo 17:17, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Khormai

 * Damn, man. That is one beautiful article. My jaw hit the floor.--Demos Traxen (talk) 18:39, July 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! All in a day's work. :) ~ Savage BOB sig.png 19:37, July 3, 2012 (UTC)

Here I go!
As you suggested some time ago on my Charal FAN, I'm currently working on the Sanyassan article. I'm trying to figure out when the term Sanyssan was first used, but I can't seem to find the answer. This is what I wrote for the Bts: ''In the early years of the Expanded Universe, the species was only know as the "Maraudeurs". The name Sanyasssan was first coined in ???, published in ???. From this moment on, the use of the term "Marauders" has been restricted to the group of Sanyassan pirates who crash landed on Endor. I tend to think the word "Sanyassan" wasn't used before 2002, as it still doesn't appear in The Essential Guide to Alien Species''. Any thoughts? --LelalMekha (talk) 08:35, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, Lelal! Glad to hear you're making progress. Yes, I think you're right. "Sanyassan" doesn't seem to have been used in the EGAS, but it is used in "Endor and the Modell Sector," which was published in 2002. You might also check the Star Wars Encyclopedia (1998) and at least the 2nd and 3rd editions of A Guide to the Star Wars Universe (published in 1994 and 2000 respectively). They might have entries on Tessek or the Marauders that mention the name, though I doubt it. My money is on the Gamer 9 article as the first use of the name. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 14:27, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't own a copy of the Star Wars Encyclopedia, but I'm pretty sure the term didn"t appear in the 2nd and 3rd editions of A Guide to the Star Wars Universe. As you are part of the Alien Species Wookieeproject, I'd like to know your opinion about my current progress. I know the history part is probably the weakest of all, but it has remained mostly unchanged since I began working ont he article, except for the first paragraph I personally added. --LelalMekha (talk) 14:32, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm currently doing a summer study program away from my book collection, or else I'd check those books for you. In the meantime, you can leave a request on Forum:Entry requests for someone to check The SWE, and AGTTSWU2 and 3 for "Sanyassan," "Marauder," and "Tessek" if you think it might be helpful. Today's the 4th of July, so I'm likely to be out today, but I'll be happy to take a look at your progress as soon as I can! ~ Savage BOB sig.png 14:36, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why yes, the fourth of July! I almost forgot most people here are citizens of the United States! Well, happy national day, then. --LelalMekha (talk) 14:39, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I have a bit of time right now, so I'll start the review below!

Review

 * The word "barbaric" is a loaded term. You could get around this by saying "considered barbaric by many other species" or something, though. It's just not OK to use the term in the neutral, encyclopedic POV, in my opinion.
 * Link to ape?
 * The lead can probably be expanded a bit. Maybe by 50%?
 * In the infobox, I'd just list the skin colors as a series, not indicating that they were only "sometimes" pink or whatever. Just list "gray to green, pink, purple" or something.
 * Why the "usually" for hair color in the infobox? Do we have examples of Sanyassans with eyes that were not white or black? If not, just remove the "usually."
 * No eye color in the infobox? Distinctions?
 * Does any source say that the reason some had three fingers is "undetermined?" If not, it's speculative. Just say that most had four fingers, but some had only three and be done with it.
 * I'd remove the word "baseline," since it implies that the Sanyassans are somehow related to other humanoids.
 * Don't say their skin was described as leathery and scaly, just say it was leathery and scaly.
 * I have no problem with using terms from anatomy in our articles, but it might be worth a link to Wikipedia's article on Parietal bone to help anyone who doesn't know the term.
 * Did all of them have shoulder-length hair? I think Terak's hair is pretty short.
 * I'd remove the speculative bit about them being reptomammals unless one of the sources says as much.
 * You should probably note the discrepancy about their ages in the BTS. It's fine to talk about it in the Biology section too, but we should indicate that UAA and ISWU are in conflict on how old Sanyassans can get.
 * Rather than saying one guy "was seen" doing something, just say he did it.
 * You could perhaps note that their Basic was far from perfect. I seem to recall the Sanyassans in BFE speaking pretty poorly in Basic.
 * Rather than pipelinking Sanyassan language, I think it's important to name the language explicitly in the article.
 * Are those example names common or simply examples? UAA doesn't list common names, it merely gives example names.
 * "This may have been the result..." This sounds speculative. is it possible to attribute this to a specific in-universe person or group?
 * I'm not sure Jhorn is correct that the Sanyassans were the only species on Endor with advanced technology. We've seen lots of other castaways that may have had it too. Maybe say that they were the most obvious? Or that Jhorn thought them to be the only species with advanced technology?
 * Since Yavid is much shorter than his brethren, perhaps this bears mention in both Biology and History sections?
 * Perhaps indicate that Ewok, Phlog, and Dulok all refer to species.
 * "the precise timing, circumstances, and duration remain as yet unknown." This bit sounds speculative. I'd axe it.
 * Indicate Salek Weet's and Noa Briqualon's species?
 * Perhaps indicate that the Towanis were themselves castaways on Endor.
 * I'd remove the word "apparently," since it seems speculative.
 * The standard practice in species articles is to reserve "history" for the history of a species on its homeworld. Since the Marauders are on Endor, perhaps move the information about them into the "Sanyassans in the galaxy" section instead.
 * "It seems that" is speculative. Remove it or reword however you need to do no longer need that phrase.
 * I think it's worth noting that "Marauder" was a common name for the entire species according to Hoole. This would belong in both the lead, possibly in History, and in "in the galaxy."
 * "this trader was probably a member of the upper-class" -- This sounds speculative. I'd just mention that he wore these kinds of clothes and leave the assumptions to the reader to make.
 * The Sayormi seem to share the same character models as the Sanyassans, which is worth mentioning.
 * "this could be explained away as a lack of accuracy on the fictional author's part" -- I'd remove this and let the reader draw his or her own conclusions.

That's it! I'll give the article a copy edit once you get it ready for nomination. Good work, and I hope these comments prove helpful! ~ Savage  17:55, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you! There is work to do. Oh, by the way... I asked Dan Wallace on Twitter, and he mildly confirmed that the name Sanyassan was picked in "an old article" he "co-wrote with Jason Fry and Craig Carey" . --LelalMekha (talk) 18:10, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * There ya go. I took the time do address all your comments yesterday, and I hope it works. YOu can give me that copy-edit any time. ;-) --LelalMekha (talk) 12:20, July 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * I hope this is the right place to comment, LelalMekha. I think that the Star Wars Encyclopedia should be listed as a source for Sanyassan, as it does mention Terak and his mauraders multiple times even if not by their final name. Cheers, --Eyrezer (talk) 22:22, July 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've copy edited the article. It's looking very nice! I noticed a few more things while I was going through it again:
 * Is it possible that the Marauders who crash-landed on Endor were the forebears of the ones we see in Battle for Endor? I mean, does any source say explicitly that it was Terak himself on the ship, and not some father or grandfather? I wonder if we're assuming it was the same group when it may not have been.
 * Are there any Galaxies quests that feature the Sanyassans? They apparently appear in the game, but I don't see much information cited to Galaxies. Similarly, if you check the various Galaxies strategy guides, you can find the various types of Sanyassans that appear therein, as I did with Dulok.
 * Almost all the quotes are from Jhorn, with only one from someone else. Is there nothing from BFE that might work as a quote?
 * If possible, it would be nice to include an image of the livestock merchant you mention.
 * Perhaps mention something about their appearance in Monsters and Aliens from George Lucas in the BTS.
 * A few sources don't seem to have been consulted, since no footnotes mention them: Knight Errant, "Squadrons over Corellia," and "Castaways of Endor," for instance.
 * I believe "Race for the Tessant" is an adventure, and should be moved to "Appearances."
 * What article do they appear in in Insider 66? This template should name the specific article.
 * Anything you can glean about the Sanyassans in this image?
 * There are currently Sanyassans listed in the infobox who don't get discussed in the article: Jorak and Szingo.
 * Similarly, Category:Sanyassans reveals a few others, who should be mentioned in the article: Indar (Marauder), and Tun-Badon.
 * That's it! Take care of this stuff and you should be ready for FAN! ~ Savage BOB sig.png 22:02, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

A few things
I've addressed most of the issues you pointed out, I believe, but there are a few things that may still remain up to debate: "The Dragon's Pelt is also home to a gloomy fortess of decidedly non-Yuzzum origin. Decades before the Battle of Endor, a shipload of Sanyassan Marauders became another casualty of Endor's treacherous hyperspace shoals. Their stolen ship crashed in the forest, damaged beyond repair. The surviving Marauders and their leader, Terak, relocated to the open savanna where tey built a square-walled castle. It seems to indicate pretty clearly that it was already Terak himself on the ship. Furthermore, the old SW Databank entry lists his homeworld as Sanyassa, which means he was born there." In the same article, you can also read : "Though King Terak was killed in the final battle aginst the Ewok warrior Wicket and his human companions, in the century preceding his death he was the scourge of the moon and a constant source of strife and conflict."
 * Forebears or not? -- I found this in Endor and the Moddell Sector :
 * Hmm, yes. That does indeed appear to be evidence that Terak and company were very, very old. :) I think the article is fine, then, now that you've added the explanatory note to the BTS. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 14:48, July 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * The quotes -- I'll be reviewing the movie once again, but I don't think the quotes it contains would feel very... encyclopedic. Sentences like Cindel shouting You evil greenie! Would be utterly ridiculous, wouldn't they?
 * Something from the movie would be nice, yes, even if it's somewhat ridiculous. You could always get a quote from Terak or one of his underlings to support the contention that the Sanyassans were brutal bullies, say. The Marauders themselves have several lines, if I remember correctly. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 14:48, July 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * About sources --
 * I didn't mention Castaways of Endor in the sources because, while it goes on great lengths about the Duloks, the Phlogs or the Jindas, it only mentions the Sanyassans in passing. I still could use add something about the space oddities in the Endort system causing ships to crash on the forest moon, but that really would be the sole piece of information I could squeeze about them.
 * As far as Knight Errant is concerned, I'll try and consult that book ASAP. I don't own Monsters and Aliens from George Lucas, unfortunately, and I doubt many Wookieepedians do.
 * The reference to SW Insider was already in the sources when I started working on the article. Don't know where it comes from.
 * That's fine if "Castaways" doesn't have any real information. Do check Knight Errant, though. And you might do a "what links here?" search on that issue to Insider and to Monsters and Aliens (filtered for user space pages only) to see which Wookieepedians own it and might be able to check it for you. Eyrezer recently added a M&AfGL reference to an article he worked on, so you might ask him too where he found the book. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 14:48, July 8, 2012 (UTC)


 * Some other things --
 * In the last section, you edited my Hoole also ignored which planet the Sanyassans hailed from into  Hoole also made no mention of which planet the Sanyassans hailed from. However, the book says : Planet of origin : Unknown. It is a mention, albeit a mention of ignorance.
 * I guess I can use The Battle for Endor as a reference for the opposable thumb? How do you I know they have one? Because you can see it.
 * The issue with "ignored" is that in English, it implies volition. Like, "I saw a beggar, but I ignored him." It means to not pay attention to something even though you know it exists. That's the nature of my change, so feel free to change it to something else if you feel that "made no mention" is not correct either. As for the opposable thumbs, BFE should be fine for a reference. There are plenty of examples of Sanyassans wielding weapons and so on that show they had them. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 14:48, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

That's it for now. --LelalMekha (talk) 15:21, July 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Looking good! :) ~ Savage BOB sig.png 14:48, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Jumerian
Just a reminder that you have an objection to Jumerian on the CAN page. Can't watchlist it, so I thought I'd send a reminder. --Eyrezer (talk) 23:46, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Chronicles
Hey Robert,

Would you happen to have Chronicles handy? Do you by any chance know what it has to say about Saun Dann? If so you are awesome. If not you are still awesome. Menkooroo (talk) 05:19, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, Menkooroo-bert(?)! The book is stashed in a closet at home, safe from the subletter (I hope). I should be back in the place sometime next week, so I can check then if you haven't dug up the info already by that time. You may need to remind me next weekend though! ~ Savage BOB sig.png 11:19, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks. I'll go on a hunt, but if I don't find anything, I'll bother you again in a week! Menkooroo (talk) 16:17, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * I actually suspect that it's nothing more than a, as Amazon's "search inside" function has no results for Saun, Dann, Saun Dann, or Saundan. Menkooroo (talk) 16:23, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * I guess I missed the "next weekend" boat, but, uh, here I am? :P Menkooroo (talk) 00:53, September 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Better late than never. :) "The Rebel space trader who saves Chewie's family was played by Art Carney." It's under a pic of Saun Dann on p. 125. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 02:16, September 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * "Rebel space trader..." might be able to get some new info out of that. :P Thanks! Menkooroo (talk) 03:21, September 10, 2012 (UTC)

CUSWE and conscientious objection
Hey, WildRobin! I was going to add the corresponding CUSWE link to the B'rknaa article (on which I'm currently working), but something just froze my fingers somehow... As a matter of fact, I can't add that link on the grounds of conscientious objection: I believe the CUSWE entry is in error. It says: "They mature into the energy crystals, which have the property of amplifying the power output of many generators." Unfortunately, I think this is a minsinterpretation of what can been read in the comic book.

In Star Wars Droids: The Kalarba Adventures 4, C-3PO says: "It's rather difficult to explain in Basic, but these crystals are the B'rknaa, or at least will be when they are old enough." As I'm no native speaker, maybe it is I who has misunderstood this statement ; but it seems pretty clear to me that the B'rknaa crystal take up stone husks when they are old enough, and not the contrary. What say you? --LelalMekha (talk) 16:57, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm. It sounds to me that your reading is correct. If I were you, I'd do two things. First, perhaps email the folks at CUSWE to inform there of their error. Second' I'd still link to them despite the mistake. Rather than linking to CUSWE so people can find more information&mdash;our articles are almost always more detailed&mdash;we link to them more as a mutual support system. It's like saying, "Here is another free Star Wars encyclopedia that we'd like to support." Does that make sense? ~ Savage BOB sig.png 17:09, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I should probably sent an email. I've been thinking about it before, when I read theur entry about Sanyassan. It says: "A subspecies of Sanyassan, known as the Marauders, evolved on the Forest Moon of Endor after their ship crash-landed there." The Marauders are not a subspecies, and I'm pretty sure they did not evolve during a mere 100 years. --LelalMekha (talk) 17:46, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

Two stormies
Hello Bob, can you check the script sources and Behind the Magic for TK-119 and TK-875? Those are two of the three stormtroopers who attempted to shoot at Luke and Leia before they grappled across the chasm; 119 was the one shot by Luke, and 875 was the surviving one. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 22:22, July 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, Hanzo -- I'm afraid I won't be much help on this for another week yet. My books are at home, and I'm away for the rest of the week. Remind me then if you haven't found anyone else who might be able to check for you! ~ Savage BOB sig.png 17:12, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks anyway. And yep, I will if nothing else comes up. I'm fairly certain they are, but several novels don't even mention them, including the main novel. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 01:02, July 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Update: I know both of them are mentioned in BTM and Annotated Screenplays. Now only Art of Star Wars remains unaccounted for. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 18:04, July 28, 2012 (UTC)

Argazdan
Heyo. There's an objection to Argazadan's FAN I think you might have missed that'll be three weeks old in a few days. Do it up! Menkooroo (talk) 05:41, July 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Gah; completely overlooked that. Seems Eyrezer took care of it, but thanks for the reminder! Things are hectic as the end of the summer term draws near! ~ Savage BOB sig.png 17:13, July 22, 2012 (UTC)

On the canonicity of the "Nal Huttese" font
Hi SavageBob. Remember when I told you about those Huttese glyphs in SWTOR that were consistent with this font? I stopped playing SWTOR, so I couldn't discover new inscriptions, but I've just decided to replay Star Wars: Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy, and I have found four new readable inscriptions. The corpus now consists of "THE SUN SHALL RISE", "BLACK SUN", "RANCOR", "RANCOR PARLOR", "OPEN" and "CLOSED". This gives no less than fifteen "canonized letters": A, B, C, D, E, H, I, K, L, N, O, P, R, S, T, U. It seems pretty clear that this font has been used. Would it break the rules if I made a chart with only the "confirmed" letters? Regards. --LelalMekha (talk) 20:01, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, that's a very interested question. I'm not sure I have a good answer for you. I'd suggest that you start a Senate Hall thread and solicit the opinions of the wider community; perhaps someone will have a better idea than I! Sorry! ~ Savage BOB sig.png 20:41, July 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Senate Hall thread. Why yes, I should havr thought about it. Thanks. --LelalMekha (talk) 20:46, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

B'rknaa copy-edit request
Hi Savage. If you have a moment, could review the B'rknaa article? There are no more sources to add, and I would like to and move on with that and nom it soon. Cheers. --LelalMekha (talk) 20:22, July 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool article! I'm in the midst of moving back home after a summer studying elsewhere, but I'll give it a look soon. Stay tuned! ~ Savage BOB sig.png 18:12, July 27, 2012 (UTC)

Query
Hello, Bob, do you have the Ultimate Alien Anthology, by any chance? If you do, is the Jedi Peerce mentioned, and if so, what does it say about him? Thanks in advance for your response.&mdash; 16:56, July 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure thing! "Peerce" is given as an example name for the Skrilling species on p. 144, but that's about it. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 14:00, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that will help as I plan on getting his article to some status. I guess I can make a note of it in the BTS.&mdash; 18:47, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

The bully and the fish
Hey Savage. I've created this crazy Imperial bully article from the Star Wars Holiday Special&mdash;God knowns why I did this&mdash;but I have a doubt. When you say "I hate fish", does it mean that you loathe live fishes or that you hate to eat fish? I wrote the article assuming that the former was correct, but if it's the case, I wonder why he said "fish" and not "fishes". --LelalMekha (talk) 14:09, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Nice one! I think it's unclear whether he means he hates living fish (as a pet) or if he hates to eat fish. In general, fishes is only used in scientific contexts in English. Colloquially, most folks will say fish even when more than one species is being talked about. (I'm going to try to get to your Br'knaa copy edit request today, so cross your fingers!) ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 14:12, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I was being influenced by my mother tongue, I guess. As you may know, in French you'd say Je déteste les poissons (plural) if you mean "I hate living fishes", and Je déteste le poisson (singular) if you mean "I hate the flesh of the fish". Ah, the things we learn on this site! --LelalMekha (talk) 14:19, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

Duel of the Fates FAN
Hey SavageBob. When you get the chance, please make sure to check your remaining objections to the Duel of the Fates FAN. They've been addressed for over a week. Thanks.  CC7567  (talk) 16:46, August 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, sorry I wasn't able to respond to that. I'm still abroad, and Internet's really spotty here. I'm glad you all overrode the objection once it was investigated. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 15:26, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Argazdan
Good bob, job. Be sure to check out the objections of which Eyre took care at the end. Menkooroo (talk) 20:33, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, thank the maker for Eyrezer's help. I was already overseas when you listed your objections, so I'm glad to see things were taken care of! Looking forward to being back in action near the end of the month! ~ Savage BOB sig.png 15:28, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Weclome back! Menkooroo (talk) 09:36, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Wookiee Cookie!
Thanks for the cookie Bob! If you need any other small articles on background characters written for future projects just ask and I'll do what I can, I enjoy writing them particularly for some reason. Ayrehead02 (talk) 14:03, September 7, 2012 (UTC)

Unnecessary/necessary in the BtS
Hi Savage. I hope you're fine and not too busy. First things first, I wanted to thank you for the review you gave me about the B'rknaa article. It still needs to be tweaked, but I'll concentrate on it later&mdash;as I still have other noms going on. Anyway, when I nominate it at some point in the future, I'd like to make it a guest nom for the Aliens Wookieeproject. How does that work? Also, I wanted to know whether my commentaries in the BtS of Yavin triumph ceremony (Kashyyyk) are welcome. --LelalMekha (talk) 11:28, September 12, 2012 (UTC)