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Unidentified Gran (Rimmer's Rest cantina) (redux review)

 * Redux comments: Article was Reduxed per Inqmoot 89. Refer to meeting log for further details.
 * Date added: March 25, 2018
 * Changes since last review: Diff

Toprawa

 * I believe the Bio would do well to be divided into two subsections of two paragraphs each. You can add another quote too if available. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:17, March 29, 2018 (UTC)
 * Done. I also changed the second hireling from being a Rodian to being a Grave Tusken, based on that hirelings page. The game, afterall, is the only source that gives us an image of the character, so I think we should go off that as opposed to the novella calling him a Rodian (And none of the BG aliens in that illustration look anything close to a Rodian, so we can't say he's there, either). I don't know if any of this matters at all. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 22:56, April 9, 2018 (UTC)
 * Also, re-listening to the audio drama, 8t88 does actually call both of these guys "goons." Didn't recognize this clearly before, so I think the casting call can be accurately made based on that. The Gran is the first to speak. I want to know if you have an opinion on this before I do anything. I know what's sound to me can be (And often has been) faulty.--Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 23:02, April 9, 2018 (UTC)
 * Are you referring to the BTS, as in asserting that this Gran character is Goon 1 and therefore voiced by Tom Keith? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:37, April 23, 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 18:47, May 19, 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, you've raised like four different issues in this single objection thread (not advisable). Firstly, I'm fine with calling the second hireling a Grave Tusken. I believe this should be treated like a film, in that the video game takes canonical precedence over its adaptations. And since you raised this issue in this thread, I'm extending this objection to cover this: These two sentences are mutually exclusive: "The voice talent behind the character is unclear, however. Credited as "Goon 1," per 8t88's dialogue, the Gran was voiced by Tom Keith." Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:51, September 9, 2018 (UTC)
 * Given that enough evidence concludes Tom Keith as the voice talent, that line seems to be an oversight. Given that same line of thought, there are two bounty hunters listed in Dark Forces II ' s cast (Daniel Bloom and Dylan Haggerty), which given the reuse of sound effects from Dark Forces and the separate casting of the Rodian voice actor, I'm inclined to believe these are the physical actors from that cutscene. I think in this case it might be less clear, as the editing of the scene has the two showing up at about the same time, though given the Gran is the only one seen clearly, I'm guessing he'd be the 1st Bounty Hunter? I guess raising more issues than what was brought up originally could be poor form, but I guess I just want to be accurate on this one (All for a nameless alien). Sorry about that. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 02:05, September 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't go so far as to assume either actor is necessarily the Gran, since they're presumably listed in the credits alphabetically, not by who shows up first. If you feel strongly that these are the two from that scene, you could just mention that fact, while leaving the obvious implication that one of them is this Gran. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 02:10, September 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * They're credited as Bounty Hunter 1 and Bounty Hunter 2 (And as an aside, The Rodian voice is actually just credited as Greedo, heh). Also I was looking at the Wook page, and as it happens the actual game credits BH1 as Dan Bloom, whatever that means. However, I mentioned both names now as an ambiguity, and will fill out the redlinks. I don't know where Daniel came from, so I'll just Dan since I have the game materials in front of me.--Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 02:29, September 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * Daniel apparently comes from an IMDB page. Not sure what to make of that. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 02:39, September 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * Naming the article according to how he's credited in the game is ideal. Remember that all OOU articles should have a Bibliography section. This serves the same function as the Sources section in IU articles. List all officially licensed sources that mention the actor's name in the Bibliography. And you need to kill that redlink per FAN rules. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 14:16, September 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * Since you moved the article name for the cantina, this article should be moved to reflect that as well. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 14:18, September 13, 2018 (UTC)