User talk:Master Jonathan

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 * If you want a pre-nom review or word count with the copy-edit, please explicitly say so in the request, otherwise I will perform a copy-edit only. Keep in mind that I am not a member of any reviewing panel and rarely conduct reviews, so my review might not be as thorough as what you would get from an Inquisitor or AgriCorps member. Adding a pre-nom review to your request may lengthen the response time.
 * Effective immediately, I will post pre-nom reviews, including a statement that I have no objections (if that is the case). on the article talk page, not on this page. This way the review is easier for others to find and look at, and it eliminates the need for you to sort through irrelevant messages on this page. Outside of the nomination pages, discussion on improving an article technically belongs on the article talk page anyway. Replies to a request for copy-edit only will still come here.
 * Unless I have a Vacation notice above, I will try to perform the copy-edit within 48 hours (72 hours if a review is requested also). If I need more time, I will let you know under the request as soon as possible.
 * Although there are no limits (minimum or maximum) on the length of articles I will accept, keep in mind that shorter articles will generally receive quicker responses than longer articles. Extremely long articles (approx. 75 KB or larger) may be done over multiple days.
 * If you leave an Inuse tag on the article, I will interpret your request as implicit permission to edit through said tag. If you don't want me to do this, please say so. I will use my own Inuse tag if I expect to spend more than 10–15 minutes on the article.'''
 * I am not currently accepting copy-edit requests for articles containing significant information from the following source(s), as I am currently reading it/them or planning on reading it/them in the near future and would like to avoid spoilers:
 * Darth Plagueis
 * (Please note that I am often slow in updating this list when I finish a book, so if you have an article from one of these sources, feel free to ask.)

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Making a better "Timeline of media" revisited
Hi Master Jonathan, I recently picked up where Morbus Iff left off a while ago on the Timeline of media revamp discussed here, to which you contributed. I'd appreciate your opinion on the near-finished project: User:Tainb'ocu'chulainn/Sandbox Timeline. The forum for the discussion is Forum:SH:Making a better Timeline of media: revisited. Thanks. Tainb&#39;ocu&#39;chulainn (talk) 20:27, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Decipher Star Wars Customizable Card Game Full Page protection?
Hey MJ, digging through some old links I stumbled across this:

http://web.archive.org/web/20050307015419/http://www.decipher.com/starwars/whatisit/afterdeathstar.html

I thought it may we worthwhile adding to the Star Wars Customizable Card Game page as part of the "Behind the scenes" section as it involves cancelled sets that were officially announced yet never released. Some of these sets/test cards have even started showing up for sale on ebay etc recently. It appears that these sets are not the non-canon virtual sets but play-testing/pre-release cards that were never mass produced due to decipher's loss of license. Looking through the page history however, I found the page has been fully protected for some time due to a dispute involving a user who has been inactive for at least 3 months now. Would it be possible to revise this page back to semi-protection? I have been working on a number of CCG related articles and continue to stumble across new info via archive.org. Is it possible to prevent the troublesome user/users from editing that specific page? Rokkur Shen (talk) 04:09, February 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Per the administrative autonomy policy, I can't overturn another admin's action. You'll have to talk to, who protected the page, about getting it unprotected. &mdash;MJ&mdash; War Room 04:23, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * My mistake. I saw that you were the last to edit the page which is why I approached you. Thanks. Rokkur Shen (talk) 04:34, February 13, 2013 (UTC)

Eeusu Estornii in Insider 85
Hey, MJ! I noticed from your user page that you have Star Wars Insider 85. I'm looking for information from the article "Long Ago, Far Away: Galaxy Fashion," for which we don't have an article yet. Apparently, it discusses or picures Eeusu Estornii, a Zeuol from Ord Zeuol. What exactly does it say about her or her species? I'm also interested in paying attention to how her name, species, and planet are spelled, since the spelling shifts from source to source. If you can give me specific page numbers, too, that'd be awesome. Thanks for any help you can provide! ~ Savage  19:27, February 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * Nothing in the prose, just a small photo at the bottom of page 66 with the caption, "A collage of costumes worn by Senators Bail Organa (left) and Ecusu Estornii (center), and Palpatine's aid Mas Amedda in Revenge of the Sith." All spelling in that quote, is exact from the source. The photo depicts the costumes in an OOU context, apparently displayed on mannequins rather than the actors, although the mannequin under the Estornii costume is not visible in the picture due to the mask covering the face and her hands being cropped off the bottom of the photo (the only visible mannequin in that photo is Bail, but the two photos next to it are clearly composed of mannequins, one of them explicitly stated as such in the caption). &mdash;MJ&mdash; Training Room 23:55, February 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's a big help. Thanks! Just out of curiosity, does the mannequin with the mask also have the white, ropy hair? ~ Savage BOB sig.png 00:35, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, it does. &mdash;MJ&mdash; Council Chambers 00:55, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Thanks again! ~ Savage BOB sig.png 03:39, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

Email
Hi MJ, I don't know if this is a stupid question or not but I can't seem to figure out how to ad a private link for users to send me email. Under "My preferences --> Email" it states that:

"You can also choose to let others contact you by e-mail through a link on your user or talk page. Your e-mail address is not revealed when other users contact you."

I've ticked "Enable email from other users" but fail to see anything that enables the link to be shown on my user page. Am I missing something? Rokkur Shen (talk) 01:02, February 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's shown automatically when the "Enable email from other users" box is checked. If you use Monobook, the link is in the left sidebar under "toolbox" (and I see it there now). If you use the default skin, then 1) I haven't the foggiest clue where it's at, 2) you can create a manual link like this: Special:EmailUser/Rokkur Shen, and 3) I highly recommend switching your skin to Monobook, as that's what Wookieepedia officially recommends and it's a much better skin. &mdash;MJ&mdash; Holocomm 01:10, February 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. I've dabbled with both skins. I like the look of the default better but I guess there's pros and cons to both. I'll switch since it seems likely that'll make communication easier. Rokkur Shen (talk) 01:22, February 14, 2013 (UTC)

User 69
Thank you for the message.--69.84.103.24 18:56, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Head
Hey there, MJ. I just thought I'd bring up further reasoning for deleting the "head" redirect. We are a Star Wars database, and thus everything here is strictly about SW-related information. The article on "toilet" is not about toilets on Earth, which may be called heads in (rather unique) deviants of English, but rather about toilets in the SW galaxy. Those toilets have never been referred to as heads. Thus, I again propose that the redirect be deleted. Also, if anyone speaks English and searches for heads, they will know to search for "toilet" if they come up with nothing. MasterFred <sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 05:30, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * I saw the edit summary, and then this, and have to say I completely concur with Fred on this. If the article is to stay, it should be for the body part, not as a redirect for a real-world term that has never been used IU in the same context. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 05:33, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * While I understand your arguments, redirects do not have to be exclusively IU terms; real-world terms for anything are a plausible search query and thus should redirect to an IU equivalent. The current status head is certainly not the best overall, but at the moment we have no article on the body part and no other valid target for the redirect, so for now we have nothing better to do with it. If it was a freshly created redirect (within the past few days), I'd be more inclined to delete it for the reasons you laid out, but given that it's existed for over five years, I'm hesitant to delete it on something minor like this. Of course, the best thing to do with it, as JMAS mentioned, is for someone with the necessary sources (not me) to convert it to an article on the body part. But until then, it does no harm pointing to toilet. &mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> Jedi Council Chambers</b> 06:28, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I can make a stub out of it tomorrow. :P MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 06:30, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * I had no idea this conversation was in progress, and turned it into a disambig. I certainly wouldn't object if someone wanted to make an article on the body part, and either move the disambig to "Head (disambiguation), or just rely on a Youmay tag. jSarek (talk) 06:41, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * The disambig works for me. A proper article on heads would still be better at that title, but this is better than the redirect. Thanks. &mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> Training Room</b> 06:43, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

CANs
Hi MJ, I was just wondering what the accepted procedure is for adding successful CA noms to my user page. Is it a task that I perform myself or something that is awarded by an admin? A recent article of mine was successfully promoted to CA status but I don't want to be too forward in adding the nom to my page if that is not the accepted procedure. Thanks. Rokkur Shen (talk) 07:40, February 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * It's totally up to you to display it if you want to as soon as the nom is archived. No permission is needed. And congratulations! :D &mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> Training Room</b> 07:44, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Do you mind if I use your User:Master Jonathan/UserCAmultiple template, as I can't seem to find any others? Rokkur Shen (talk) 07:57, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * I made that with the intent of others using it, so go right ahead. There's also User:Master Jonathan/UserCAsingle for displaying just one article at a time. &mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> Comlink</b> 07:59, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Cheers! Rokkur Shen (talk) 08:02, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * By the way, sorry for intruding, but I also made these based on your template, MJ. Just so I'd let you know.  Stake black   msg 03:02, March 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I saw those the other day. The FA one should say "Featured status" instead of "Good status", but otherwise they look good. :) &mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> War Room</b> 03:07, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oops! Thanks for the heads up.  Stake black   msg 03:09, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Refresher Reading
Hey, MJ! I've got another Insider question for you. I've been trying to disentangle a lot of rumor and speculation around this character from the cantina in A New Hope. Apparently, the character is pictured or mentioned in "Refresher Reading," an article in Star Wars Insider 91. Is it just a random picture? Is there any identification? Some people think this is "Little Aunt Beru," but it looks more like a male littler person actor from the UK named Geoffrey Moon. Thanks for any help! ~ Savage  17:04, February 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Just a picture of the bar at the top of the page, though I can't seem to establish that picture as a screenshot from the movie, nor can I identify him in the movie with the timestamps on the article (which may have something to do with me having the full screen 4:3 version instead of the 16:9 widescreen version). Nothing at all about him in the text. &mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> War Room</b> 21:59, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

FAN objections
Hey MJ, please review your objections to Hero of Tython's FAN. Cheers, 1358  <sup style="color:#336600;">(Talk)  23:47, March 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, they were actually not objections. :P 1358  <sup style="color:#336600;">(Talk)  23:49, March 1, 2013 (UTC)


 * I struck them anyway to avoid any further confusion. &mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> War Room</b> 02:56, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Template
Hey MJ, my user page infobox is not displaying correctly. I think it may be due to your your recent edit/placement of the on your User:Master_Jonathan/UserCAmultiple page. Also, any idea why the forums are not working? Rokkur Shen (talk) 05:44, March 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Bah, I say! The template has been fixed. As for the forums, we have no idea, but it is a Wikia-wide issue affecting even Community Central. It will be fixed eventually, but it's in Wikia's hands. &mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> Comlink</b> 05:47, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thought so. Thanks. Rokkur Shen (talk) 07:17, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

1013 review
Hey Jon, hope all is well. Whenever you're ready, I'm ready to go over RC-1013. I did a word-count, and it looks to be about 1300 words, so it would be a FAN.&mdash; 07:20, March 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Bah! I plain forgot about that. Sorry. :/ Thanks for the nudge. I promise I'll get to it sometime this week. Most likely tonight or tomorrow, as I've got a big winter storm (yes, in March) moving in right now that will keep me inside for a while. <b style="color:navy; text-decoration:underline; font-family:serif;">&mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> <b style="color:red; font-variant:small-caps;">War Room</b> 20:15, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries, bro. :)&mdash; 22:45, March 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think I got 'em all. Thanks again.&mdash; 04:56, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * I got the last one.&mdash; 05:15, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

Rebel commando vs camo henchman
Hi, Master Jonathan. Due to a recent update by Pablo Hidalgo, we know that this guy's identification as a Rebel commando was only due to a mislabeled promotional photograph. In fact, that cut character was one of Jabba's henchmen, which is why I created an article for the "unidentified camo-wearing henchman." In light of the new information, which I added all in the the new article's BtS, should the unidentified commando article be outright deleted, merged or put up for Trash Compactor? --LelalMekha (talk) 01:21, March 6, 2013 (UTC)


 * I don't see anything that was copied from one article to the other that would require attribution, so there's no reason it would need to stick around, and it's useless as a search query. I've deleted the old article (and its redirects generated by Rokkur's pagemove right after you left this message) and fixed the one mainspace link in the ROTJ article. Should be good now, though you might want to discuss with Rokkur regarding the best page title, as he had moved the old article to Unidentified Human male henchman, which might be a better title. <b style="color:navy; text-decoration:underline; font-family:serif;">&mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> <b style="color:red; font-variant:small-caps;">Jedi Council Chambers</b> 01:36, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Oh, I don't mind the name at all, so I just moved the article to Rokkur Shen's proposed name. As you said, it sounds much more proper and encyclopedic. I made the article in a hurry, and I have to confess it's sometimes difficult to find proper names for all those unidentified people. --LelalMekha (talk) 01:43, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

CT change
Hey, MJ. A heads-up about a change to Forum:CT:OOU Layout Guide: Published narrative works: Per the discussion section, "Cast" has been changed to "Credits" and will now include crewmembers as well. Take a look and let me know what you think. Menkooroo (talk) 04:30, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Tulak Hord
Jonathan; please refer to the Tulak Hord discussion page to see why I edited the page.

There has been an assumption made which is wrong and is being repeated. I have the sources being quoted and can refute their statements. I left a statement on the discussion page months ago which nobody commented on.

I have corrected the Ergast page also. We don't know when Tulak Hord lived; it is implied to be during the time when the Sith returned to the galaxy at large just after they were exiled and found Korriban, but that is conjecture on my part (though it is the only way it fits all the sources and references).

I won't put it back, because I'll end up in an edit war.

Cheers.

Sinre (talk) 04:08, March 13, 2013 (UTC)


 * I already reverted back to your version 73 seconds after I first reverted you because I saw the post on the talk page when I looked at the recent changes page again. Sorry about that. I just saw sourced information being removed without an edit summary and automatically went for the undo button, without seeing the talk page post until after I had reverted. I myself know nothing about TOR, so I can't verify what you said, but it sounds reasonable enough. As a suggestion, in the future it would be best to state "per talk page" or something similar in your edit summary, so that this kind of mix-up doesn't happen. :) <b style="color:navy; text-decoration:underline; font-family:serif;">&mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> <b style="color:red; font-variant:small-caps;">Council Chambers</b> 04:19, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Domain Suggestion
Hi. I have a suggestion. To help improve close relations between the other language star wars wikis you should put the largest Star Wars wikis including English Wookieepedia, French Wookieepedia, German Jedipedia and the other major star wars wikis all onto one domain of Wookieepedia.com (or whatever is decided, for an example Jedipedia is an exception) that serves as a redirecting domain except the domain it is redirected to (for example currently wookieepedia.com is re-directed to starwars.wikia.com) is not displayed. You can make an en.wookieepedia.com for english wookieepedia etc, Jedipedia can still be de.wookieepedia.com and still have Jedipedia.net as a domain. To see what I mean go to en.memoryalpha.org the startrek wiki and you will see an example. Superdadsuper (talk) 21:19, March 15, 2013 (UTC)


 * We can't do that because Wikia won't allow us to just get up and move to our own domain. Wikia will keep a complete copy of Wookieepedia up, accessible directly at starwars.wikia.com, which we can do nothing about, and Wikia's copy would dominate us in search engine rankings, making it nearly impossible to get new readers and editors. It's just not feasible. (For the record, http://wookieepedia.com already exists and redirects here.) <b style="color:navy; text-decoration:underline; font-family:serif;">&mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> <b style="color:red; font-variant:small-caps;">Holocomm</b> 21:43, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

User Rights
You should have Wikia Staff make Inquistors and the Agricorps as special User Groups. Wikia Staff does do this for large enough wikis and Wookieepedia is by far one of the largest wikis on wikia. You may do this via Special:Contact. You must be very spefic, by making a new User Right users may or may not have a heading, and it will disallow Users to fake articles as good or featured. You probably should speak with the rest of the admins before you do that. You should probably do this with the other user groups. If you don't have the time to do so, I may do it for you.


 * There's absolutely no reason to do this and several very good reasons not to. If only an Inq (AC member) can tag an article as featured (good), then consider what happens when a vandal blanks a legitimate featured or good article. Instead of anyone being able to revert the edit, it would be impossible to revert the vandalism until an Inq (AC member) happens to come by, which could lead to the article sitting in its vandalized state for several hours. Furthermore, it is not technically possible to natively allow only members of a certain group to add certain text to a page; this would have to be done through the AbuseFilter, which 1) has a limited amount of resources and 2) can be more easily maintained with a list of usernames hardcoded directly into the filter, which any admin can edit, whereas user groups can only be modified by bureaucrats. And finally, this is a solution in search of a problem, as users faking a GA or FA is rare, if it ever occurs at all; indeed, I've been here for four years and cannot recall one instance in those four years of a user faking a GA or FA.
 * Also, I would advise you to not waste your time by "doing it for me", because 1) Wikia only accepts requests of this nature from local administrators, which you are not, 2) it would need to be discussed not with the rest of the admins, but with the entire community, and 3) the community would reject it for the reasons I've laid out. And as a final note, don't treat me like I know nothing about how this site works. Telling me things like "You may do this via Special:Contact." and "You probably should speak with the rest of the admins before you do that." implies that you think that I don't even know the basics of how to use the site, which is highly insulting to me. If I truly did not know these things (and indeed, the second thing I quoted from your comment is flat-out wrong, as I pointed out at the beginning of this paragraph), I would not be an administrator. Now stop harassing me with your "proposals" and go learn how this site works. <b style="color:navy; text-decoration:underline; font-family:serif;">&mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> <b style="color:red; font-variant:small-caps;">Comlink</b> 03:42, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Project Novels
Hey MJ, I noticed in the list of 1000 GA's forum page, you claimed a couple of articles covered in novels. I was wondering if you might be interested in joining Project Novels. Thanks for your time, Supreme Emperor (talk) 03:34, March 20, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks. I don't write articles often and never know where my next one is coming from, but more often than not they're from the Jedi Apprentice and Jedi Quest series, which I see you do cover. So I've joined, but I can't guarantee I'll be anything resembling active on the writing front. :) <b style="color:navy; text-decoration:underline; font-family:serif;">&mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> <b style="color:red; font-variant:small-caps;">Comlink</b> 04:21, March 20, 2013 (UTC)

Ringo and Oz
Long time no see. ;) Could you give Oz and Ringo a short glance if you find the time?  Clone Commander Lee  Talk 00:01, March 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Reminder to self to look at these tomorrow if possible.  Advanced Jedi Training Droid 6  ( Talk to my master ) 04:48, March 26, 2013 (UTC)


 * Both done. Let me know if you have any questions. <b style="color:navy; text-decoration:underline; font-family:serif;">&mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> <b style="color:red; font-variant:small-caps;">Training Room</b> 20:09, March 27, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks a lot. :)  Clone Commander Lee  Talk 21:54, March 27, 2013 (UTC)

BJODN
I was going to ask someone else this question but since you were the one to clean up the BJODN page I'll ask you.

I have made a template that could be used for the BJODN page rather than formatting them by hand. I am wondering if you think this is a good idea? If you want to see the template click here. If you like this idea and think it is okay I, or you, could move the template to a real template page and go on from there. It will need a category. What do you think? Feedback welcome. Fe Nite (talk) 20:01, March 30, 2013 (UTC)


 * While I appreciate your effort, I personally think the template is overkill. For one, it squashes the text into a narrow space, which would cause long entries to take up way too much vertical space (extreme example: this one) and create tons of whitespace on both sides. Second, in many cases the original formatting (headers, etc.; see previous linked entry for an example) adds to the absurdity and should be preserved as much as possible, which would be difficult to do with the template (this is also why rarely-seen level 1 headers are used for the date). Third, it's not always appropriate to provide the page name, which in some cases may be so grossly inappropriate as to warrant having a bureaucrat redact it from the logs. Finally, it's just not needed. The current method of formatting is simple enough (one header, one or two lines below that for information, paste, and save) and a template would actually make it more complicated, and a joke page like this doesn't need to look pretty. Again, I appreciate your effort to try to improve the page, but it's just not desirable or needed. :) <b style="color:navy; text-decoration:underline; font-family:serif;">&mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> <b style="color:red; font-variant:small-caps;">War Room</b> 01:11, March 31, 2013 (UTC)