Talk:Natasi Daala

Small image
The small image from the cover is stretching out a bit. Can anyone find a higher res version? Otherwise, would could go with this image from starwars.com. --SparqMan 16:50, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

RE:Image
I agree the image is a bit stretched, but I think its the best picture of her, that pic you suggested doesnt really capture the character the way the one from the cover does. I will look for a higher resolution version and change it, or if anyone else finds one then they can do so

Changed
Image has been changed, same pic without the stretch :D

Title
Should we slot Daala after Carivus (as final leader of the Empire) as the first leader of the Imperial Remnant? Or was she just the "uber-warlord" and was Pellaeon really the first? Thanos6 07:04, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I think she essentially created the Imperial Remnant with the "summit" at Tsoss Beacon, so it makes sense to me. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  15:38, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Quote
Where is that quote from? 207.200.116.202 01:14, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It's a good quote. Hopefully it came from a good source, which I'm sure it did. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 01:15, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It's from Darksaber. I mostly have two problems with it though: One, Daala asserts that she was competent, and I assert that she was anything but. Second: The image of Grand Moff Tarkin having sexual relations...well, you get the idea. -- SFH 01:32, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Better with Daala than with Lady Tarkin. Actually, if memory serves, the next thing Daala says after the quote in Darksaber was, "But in this case it's true." Kuralyov 01:44, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 01:55, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I remember reading an essay on Domus Publica which basically laid out persons and experiences that refute some of Daala's beliefs about male dominance and discrimination within the Empire Might find some new article-material there. He's meticulous! :o VT-16 13:41, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Not quite my take on it. It seems more like he's saying that it did happen frequently, just not as frequently as the Alliance said.  Further, it seems to justify Daala's position as she was extremely discriminated against due to her gender.  Am I reading you guys right, though, or am I wrong, but are you guys uncomfortable about the first quote in the article?--SOCL 15:30, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Not on my part, I just had the impression Daala victimized herself somewhat and treated her situation almost as unique. Also note, like the article pointed out, that the head of state after Palpatine, was Isanne Isard, a Galactic Empress. VT-16 17:25, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Duly noted. However one Galactic Empress out of more than half a dozen Galactic Emperors isn't quite what I would call fair.  Isard is not proof of pattern, but an exception.--SOCL 17:49, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Somewhat true, and also a possibility that Daala (being posted out in the Maw Installation since long before the battle of Yavin, until a year after Operation Shadow Hand) went through training in a different time than most of the other female Imperials, seeing a different environment. Even so, other women went through training and ended up captaining fleets (Captain Plikk, who had lead a fleet for many years before 3 ABY, Admiral Oxtroe, who tried to sue for peace with the NR before being murdered on order of Palpatine etc), while Daala failed and got a title with help from Tarkin... -__- VT-16 19:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * True. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:45, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Ironically, Daala DID gain her position due to her affair with Tarkin. She was a Corporal, an ARMY rank, who worked in the kitchen of a Star Destroyer. After she was "discovered" by Tarkin, and following (and during) their affair, he gave her many "in house" promotions in a branch of the military she wasn't even a part of (again, she was Army, not Navy) until she had "gained" the rank of Admiral. Her Navy ranks would have no standing at all outside of Tarkin's jurisdiction, and would have been voided after his death. Her rank of "fleet admiral" after his death was technically illegal because, as far as the proper military was concerned, she was a corporal in the Army. Regardless of how deserving she was of of some sort of rank, she DID NOT gain it legitimately.

And that's what the quote at the top is incredibly ironic. ;~p--Jerry 19:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Granted, her affair with Tarkin did push her through the ranks, but the way things have come across it seems that she wouldn't have been promoted for her competence. In other words, though it certainly had something to do with her affair, Tarkin promoted her more than likely based on her competence and not solely her sex appeal, promoting where discrimination would have left her as a no body.--SOCL 20:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait a minute, how do we know for sure that someone can't switch from the Army to the Navy? When you think about it, if she was a corporal and she decided to be in the Navy, couldn't she have gotten the Navy equivalent to corporal and then be legally promoted? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm not sure about the Star Wars universe, though I'm sure it applies there, too, but one CAN switch branches in the real-world Armed Forces (at least the USA). My father served in the Marine Corps, Navy, and Army, and never left the service, so...--SOCL 02:23, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it would be the same in Star Wars. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:11, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Time with Liegeus Vorn?

 * Planet of Twlight stated that Daala left Vorn about 20 years before (7-8 BBY). The book implied that was before she went to the Academy.  Where does the statement about Daala being involved with Tarkin and Vorn at the same time come from?  -Finlayson 19:36, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It could be an error on the part of the author of Planet of Twilight. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:26, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I may have misunderstood something in PoT, but that doesn't address the question about her being involved with both men. -Finlayson 04:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I meant the date could be an error. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:17, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * With the number of years, I guess I assumed her going her own way meant going to the academy. Going away to the Maw works too.  I'll have to flip back through PoT to get a better idea.  -Finlayson 01:15, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * So does it all work out now? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:20, 13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes? No? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:52, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * What? I haven't looked through the book yet.  It's OK until there's some proof that's it is not.. - Finlayson 01:06, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That's all I wanted to know. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 13:22, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Got Her!
Here we go. The evidence that Daala was not a legitimate Admiral in the Imperial Navy. According to The New Essential Guide to Characters; Daala's alleged rank of Fleet Admiral was "an unofficial promotion outside of Coruscant's naval hierarchy, but a legitimate one among Tarkin's forces in the Outer Rim." As far as the Empire and Navy were concerned, Daala was still a Corporal in the Army (or Marines) who failed to graduate from the Academy and had never been a commissioned officer in the Imperial Navy. Only in Tarkin's Oversector Outer was her commission recognized. Once the Empire collapsed after Endor, there was no Oversector Outer to speak of so her commission would be rendered null and void as far as the legitimate Imperial State was concerned (indeed the Ruling Council had nothing to rule at the time of her return anyways, and was disbanded shortly after Xandel Carivus' death). Her rank of Fleet Admiral at the time of her return was no more legitimate than "Prince-Admiral" Krennel, or "Superior General" Delvardus and the other self-styled warlords with their made up ranks.--Jerry 19:36, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * So, she was a Corporal while she was in the role of an Admiral. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:53, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * As far as the Imperial Military was concerned, she was always a Corporal, never commissioned or even enlited in the Navy. It seems Tarkin quietly advanced her in his jurisdiction as is his right as the Commander in Chief of his territory, but if Daala had ever left Tarkin's spere of influence she would have had no rank to stand on; unless of course she was speaking to a Army private ;~). As soon Tarkin died (or at most upon the dissolution of Oversector Outer) her commission and rank would be rendered null and void. At the time she returned to the Empire, she was a Fleet Admiral in the same way Delak Krennel was a Prince-Admiral. To put it bluntly, she was a fraud.--Jerry 02:18, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That's why I said "in the role of an Admiral". Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:04, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course. Sorry, I wasn't trying to sound preachy or anything, but I tend to go off on my rants quite easily. Indeed, you understood my point perfectly. :-)--Jerry 21:28, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Now, though, I feel I must make the bold statement that this article is not NPOV figuring heavily on what Daala percieved, rather than what actual events were.--Jerry 21:30, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It does appear to be like that now. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:31, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I made a few changes. Constructive criticism is welcome.--Jerry 23:19, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You've shown your research, so I have no objections. QuentinGeorge 23:20, 1 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 01:02, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Insignia
Has anyone noticed Daala's rank insignia? Jedi Wolf 1:42, 17 September 2006 (UTC) I wonder what's up with that. I thought she claimed herself as an Admiral. Jedi Wolf 6:54, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Isn't that a Grand Moff insignia? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:48, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Probably the artists' faults. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 23:13, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps requisitioning a new set of Admiral rank badges without proper paperwork would have raised too many flags, so Tarkin just gave her one of his Moff badges. This is all rampant speculation of the worst kind, of course. -Dangerdan97 06:06, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, after all, she wasn't in the Navy... Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:13, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Name
Is "Daala" a family name or a Christian name? As they use it in the books, it sounds like it's the latter, but then you don't call your commanding officer by first name, do you? Evir Daal 12:29, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It'd be family name, hence Admiral Daala. Green Tentacle (Talk) 12:37, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. We don't know if Palpatine is a first or last name. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:44, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * True, but kings and emperors are often known by their first name, military personnel aren't (you're Admiral Nebulax, not Admiral Jack). Then again, I've looked in Planet of Twilight and Liegeus Vorn also calls her Daala, and it would be kinda weired to call your ex by her surname. Maybe she's only got one name. Green Tentacle (Talk) 15:19, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That could very well be it. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:21, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * But Vorn has three. Didn't they grow up in the same culture? Weird.Evir Daal 08:38, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Three surnames? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:55, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Three NAMES, silly. Liegeus Sarpaetius Vorn. -Dangerdan97 22:07, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, we were talking about surnames. No need to capitalize "names". Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Names in general seem to be the discussion matter for this thread, not just surnames. In all honesty, I thought you were just being intentionally obtuse (which is why I called you silly).  I capitalized "names" as I was unsure of another means of emphasizing the word as I would have had I been saying it aloud.  I tend to type the way I speak. -Dangerdan97 04:25, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, there are italics: "names" instead of "NAMES". Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 11:23, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you, you've expanded my knowledge base ;P. -Dangerdan97 11:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I sounded a bit rude when I said that, though. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:49, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Hair
Is it my imagination, or is her hair a different color in every single one of these pictures?Darth Ceratis 02:39, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You're right. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:26, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Apparently "coppery" (as KJA described it) can mean red, copper, and brown all at the same time, and not just "coppery" as one might think. -- Ozzel 23:05, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Or she just decided to dye it every so often. ;) Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 01:36, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Anyway, Ozzel, could you give us a link? That is, if it's not a problem. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 01:41, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's in Jedi Search: "Her coppery hair flowed over her shoulders, rippled down her back to below her hips." I think there's also another part where it's described as "metallic." -- Ozzel 01:16, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 01:17, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * All of the books give the impression her hair is reddish or coppery.User:SithGirl132
 * This is an old topic. Please don't restart old topics. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 11:14, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Rank
Anybody who hasn't seen it yet might like to take a look at Forum:Admiral Daala - need citation. Green Tentacle (Talk) 09:38, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Interesting. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:18, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Enlistment?
The first few lines of the article claim Daala enlisted in the Navy. There is a important distinction between someone who enlists in service and someone who enters, specifically as an officer. As far as I'm aware, no sources state that Daala at any point was an enlisted-person in the Navy. I am interested as to the source of this claim. Otherwise, I believe it should be changed as we only know she was an officer. Without confirmation of her either entering enlisted or commissioning directly as an officer, any such line should be stricken and should read something along the lines of "was an officer in the service of the Imperial Navy."--SOCLcomm 16:05, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's been bugging me for a while too.Green Tentacle (Talk) 20:14, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm going to go ahead and edit it out&mdash;better to be correct, but missing a little info than have incorrect information. If someone comes forward with a source, they're more than welcome to repost the claim.--SOCLcomm 20:50, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Amended: There seem to be persistent claims throughout the article that she enlisted in the Imperial military, and not just that, but went on to be an NCO in the Imperial Army! What sources exist for this?  I don't want to change an article too much since it seems at least someone is convinced it happened, but there doesn't seem to be an available sources to back the claim.  I'll just wait a bit before editing, unless someone else feels compelled to do so.--SOCLcomm 20:53, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Amended...again: I somehow missed the bit in the above discussion by Jerry citing The Essential Guide to Characters as the source of the enlistment in the Imperial Army as a corporal working in the mess of a Star Destroyer.  I somehow missed that in passing.--SOCLcomm 23:41, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The information in the Essential Guide and the New Essential Guide to Characters must be differnt. The New Guide focuses on Daala's life as an admiral and says little about her life before enlistment, if that's what she did.User:SithGirl132
 * Actually, I think Darksaber mentions it, too. If I remember correctly, she mentioned it to Pellaeon following her threat to self-destruct her vessel, taking Harrsk with it.--SOCLcomm 19:33, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Sourcing?
What exactly needs to be sourced or referenced? The box has been there asking for sourcing for a few weeks. What exactly needs to be done?SithGirl132 18:21, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * As a featured article it needs to have tags to identify where everything comes from. See Sourcing. Green Tentacle (Talk) 11:47, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Question
Hello guys, I have got a question. Is there an article about Daala's campaign or an article where you can read about it a more precizly way as in the article about Daala? We the jedipedia from Germany are writing about her first campaign and have not found one, so I hope you can help me by giving me a link to the article. I'm looking forward to your answer. Best regards Boba 15:15, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I found an article called Imperial Reunification is Daala's Reforms about her campaign or am I wrong? Boba 15:54, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think we have an article about her campaign, other than what's written in the article here and the battle articles themselves. Kuralyov 16:37, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Allright. Thank you very much. Then we will make weblinks to the articles. Boba 16:43, 10 June 2007 (UTC)


 * It really wasn't an organized campaign, anyway. She used guerrilla tactics. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 18:07, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay thank you. I was asking, because we wanted to make an interwiki, but if you have no article about it, we can not make one :) Boba 18:27, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, you could always inspire us to do so... &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:27, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Contradiction
As I'm going to be working on this soon, I would like to clear one thing up. In the Jedi Academy trilogy Daala mentions that Palpatine did not know about the Maw installation. However, in Death Star, Tarkin says that he does know. I'm going to say that Tarkin knew Palpatine knew about the Maw, but Daala did not. That way, it's possible to make it so there's no contradiction. If anyone has a better idea, please share them.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 23:03, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Didn't Death Star have Daala being injured and losing some of her memory and smarts? I thought that explained why she performed so poorly in the JAT. VT-16 22:26, 16 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I always thought she did so bad because her tactics were outdated, and she was, simply put, a loose cannon. Much of her strategy came from Tarkin, and that stuff was undoubtedly old by the time she left the Maw.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 02:07, 17 February 2008 (UTC)
 * While that may be true, the authors of DS, put in a sequence where Daala gets some kind of brain damage during a battle, which is said to impair some of her thinking. VT-16 08:57, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That makes sense though, that she suffered due to memory loss.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:16, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Daala as COS of the Galactic Alliance
So, war criminal Daala, the hunted Imperial rogue, becomes CHIEF OF STATE OF THE GALACTIC ALLIANCE. The same Galactic Alliance that followed the New Republic that battled and hunted her for years? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA VT-16 01:20, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * ???! -- SFH 01:57, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * WTF, For god sake's she's a relic from thirty years age using ships even older. Maw Installation must have created one powerful Mind Control Device for that to happen. QX100 02:48, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it is because of her strength of will, added with her proven leadership abilities (from her years in exile), that make her the top candidate as the galaxy needs a strong and proven leader to stabilize itself. Ryan Fett  ( For Mandalore! )[[Image:JaingHead.svg|20px]] 23:30, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

At any rate, the intro of the article would have to be changed. Unidentified Flying Bunny in the Sky TalkContribs 04:22, 19 May 2008 (UTC)