Forum:SH:Project Wookiee: Wookieepedia's First Barn-burner!

Welcome! Welcome to Wookieepedia's first tri/tetra/we'll decide later-monthly barn-burner. In lieu of any actual barns to burn down, we've decided to promote a bunch of articles to Featured, Good, and Comprehensive status instead.

There are several purposes to this project. We're hoping that it will bring the community together and allow us to work toward a fun and positive goal, share tips on article-writing and editing, and generally support and help each other out. It will also hopefully result in a number of new articles brought to FA, GA, and CA status. If we get enough Featured Articles out of the deal, we could even arrange something on Wookieepedia's main page similar to last year's Grand Admiral week.

The goal is to collectively write a number of articles on a common theme and promote them all to Featured, Good, and Comprehensive status. In honor of our wiki's namesake, we've chosen our first barn-burning theme to be Wookiees.



Listen to what the hairy beasts say! We want you to join this project. Yes, you! You, the person reading this page! Whether you be an administrator or someone who hasn't created an account yet, whether you have 100 or zero Featured Articles to your name, we want you in on this. This is a community-wide project where everybody will be helping everybody else, and if you've always wanted to get your feet wet in the status-article writing business, this is a great opportunity for you.

To participate, all you have to do is choose a Wookiee or two (or three, or seven, or twenty), write a complete article, and bring it to one of the status article nomination pages. If you're absolutely unfamiliar with the difference between a Featured, a Good, and a Comprehensive article, no worries. Ask for help below!

We're hoping to get this project going for the beginning of May, so take the following ten days and think about which Wookiees interest you the most. Feel free to sign up for a project and even start working on it before May, but let's save all nominations for the first of May at the very earliest. Menkooroo 08:12, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

I want to participate, but I have no idea what to write!
Fear not, valiant soldier. There are literally hundreds of Wookiees in Star Wars canon, most of whom have not been promoted to any kind of status. All you need to do is browse through Category:Wookiees and find a furry friend who tickles your fancy. ... Wow, that sounds wrong when you say it out loud. Anyway. Browsing through categories is boring, so here are some suggestions for ya. Anybody is welcome and encouraged to add to this list; it isn't intended to be comprehensive or anything, but rather just a good starting point.

Wookiees from Revenge of the Sith:
 * Tarfful: This project would take some effort, but I also think you would have a great time doing it.
 * Lachichuk: Dude from the welcome message #2.
 * Guanta: Welcome message dude #3!
 * Grakchawwaa: Also in Deep Forest.
 * Eugroothwa: One more!

Star Wars Galaxies Wookiees: Galaxies had an expansion pack all about Wookiees, so if you have the game, you might be able to tell us something about Achonnko, Anarra, Ykkysno, the Spirit Guide, or any of a host of others.

Wookiees with only one or two appearances/sources to their name: There are actually quite a few of these guys and gals. Prime Good Article candidates, for sure. These would be fun projects that wouldn't require arduous amounts of research. Despite what their "Sources" section might say, you should probably check to see if they have an entry in The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia if they appeared in something that was published before 2008.
 * Ryyk (Wookiee): Poor guy watched Mandos butcher his entire family.
 * Khyyynett: Some sort of musician?
 * Reerookachuck: He killed twenty slavers!
 * Rakikta: The Black sands of Socorro!
 * Chorrawl and Freyyr: Two badass dudes from Knights of the Old Republic
 * Katykam: He's dead!
 * Rorworr (Kashyyyk): He's dead too! And he's from KOTOR!
 * Hahrynyar: This guy is responsible for the destruction of the Death Star. Seriously.
 * Nawruun: I would not wanna whip this guy for several years straight.
 * Old Tojjelnoot: This fella has no beef with Chewbacca.
 * Tojjevvuk: Poor, poor Albino.
 * Vorlocca: More Wookiee Jedi!
 * Wurokkk: An eccentric, avant-garde Wookiee composer.
 * Frorral: Page's Commandos. 'Nuff said.
 * Gumbaeki: Cool guy who hung out with Quinlan Vos for a little while.
 * Rashtah: This Wookiee was a slave trader and a pirate. Obi-Wan Kenobi, on the other hand, was a Wookiee murderer.
 * Weebacca: Successfully managed to piss of Chewbacca!

Misc. Wookiees that would be fun FA projects:
 * Dewlannamapia: She fricking raised Han Solo! Did you see that??
 * Chak: Legacy, hooray!
 * Ralrracheen: He can talk!
 * Kerrithrarr: Actually, this is a project already well-underway by
 * Triebakk: Because you know you love The New Jedi Order!
 * Chalmun: Just keep in mind that any mention of "Chalmun's Cantina" is a mention of this guy, too. :D

Chewbacca's family: Chewie has a very large extended family. Being a member of this family tree automatically makes you awesome. And a few of these Wookiees have actually only appeared in a little bit of canon.
 * Kriyystak: The family's prize tracker!
 * Kallabow: Chewie's lovable sister.
 * Dryanta: Cousin from Tyrant's Test number 1!
 * Jowdrrl: Cousin from Tyrant's Test number 2!
 * Shoran: Cousin from Tyrant's Test number 3!
 * Raabakyysh: Not quite a member of the family... but some day.
 * Vargi: Mallatobuck's traitorous brother.
 * Utchakkaloch: Han Solo's brother??

And, for some more ambitious projects in Chewie's family...
 * Lowbacca, Mallatobuck, or Attichitcuk. You know you want to! :P

I want to sign up!
Do it! We want you on our team. Feel free to choose any Wookiee and sign up for them here. This'll be a handy way to keep track of who's doing what so that we can avoid edit conflicts.


 * Merumeru
 * Lachichuk
 * Jowdrrl
 * Kallaarac
 * Dalborra
 * Rikummee
 * Lofryyhn
 * Gyylghrard
 * Ralrracheen
 * Guanta
 * GrimGrim
 * Snoova
 * Lobarorr
 * Wurokkk
 * Dewlannamapia
 * Weebacca
 * Sunchoo
 * Hahrynyar
 * Talking bone
 * Krepauk
 * Athnalu
 * Kivvaaa
 * Kahiyuk
 * Battle staff
 * Battle of Kashyyyk (Separatist Crisis)
 * Knuckles of the katarn
 * Factryn meat pie, Klak, Tree-drum music
 * Isshaddik
 * Gaartatha, Burtiin, Unidentified Wookiee pirate and Unidentified Star's Nova Wookiee
 * Kybacca
 * Liak
 * Wookieepedia
 * Dude, I actually thought about doing that this morning. :P MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 16:53, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Vargi
 * Old Tojjelnoot
 * Quaagan
 * Gargachykk
 * Hronk
 * Freyyr's Warblade

Current nominations
Here are all of the Wookiees and Wookiee-related articles currently up for Featured, Good, or Comprehensive Article nomination. Please feel free to read and review them --- remember, this project is all about helping each other out.

When removing a successful nom from this list, be sure to add it to the "after" part of Before and after shot below.

I need some sources
Let's help each other out with tracking down some obscure sources. Especially those pesky CSWE entries. :P If you need someone to check something for you, ask for help here.

Lachichuk and Jowdrrl CSWE entries?

 * I'm hoping that someone can give me the CSWE entries on Lachichuk and Jowdrrl. Could you also see what Merumeru's entry has to say, if anything, about Lachichuk? Thanks. Menkooroo 08:12, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * "Lachichuk One of the many Wookiee warriors who defended Kashyyyk and the city of Kachirho during the Clone Wars. After Order 66, Lachichuk was among the Wookiees who met Olee Starstone and her group of Jedi survivors when they arrived on Kashyyyk."
 * "Jowdrrl One of Chewbacca's many cousins, she was a ship's systems expert. Jowdrrl worked with Katarra to subvert the Imperial presence on Kashyyyk. When Chewbacca returned to Kashyyyk for his son Lumpawarump's Test of Ascension, Jowdrrl worked with Dryanta on fine-tuning the Millennium Falcon. They improved many of the ship's systems, including refinements to the weapons and a 360-degree head-up display unit. She once accompanied Chewbacca on a mission to rescue Han Solo during the Yevethan crisis.".
 * "Merumeru [&hellip;] Among the capable warriors following him into battle were Guanta, Lachichuk, and Salporin." ~  Savage  BOB sig.png 15:57, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I know that Merumeru is mentioned in Star Wars Chronicles: The Prequels, so I'm thinking there's a very slight chance that Lachichuk is as well. Could somebody check that out for me? Thanks a million if you can. Menkooroo 08:12, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's the line (from the image of the Wookiee ROAAARRR!!!! from ROTS): "The Wookiee Captain Merumeru leads the beachfront defense of Kachiroho, followed by ranks of loyal volunteers. Emerging from behind armored revetments, the Wookiees let out a mighty roar that would terrify any non-droid opponent. Among the Wookiee warriors present are Guanta, a grizzled elder; Lachichik, the famed hunter; and Salporin, master of the blade." (p. 267). There's also some info that due to production schedule SNAFUs, the Creature Departmet had to scramble to get all the Wookiees ready for shooting in summer 2003. The Wookiee scenes were shot after principal photography had been completed, and were done in two sessions. Lucas directed the Tarfful/Chewie stuff, but Animation Supervisor Rob Coleman did stuff with other Wookiees. (p. 267). Also potentially relevant: "The Wookiee costumes were the single biggest task for the Episode III Creature Department. As the production was basedin Sydney, all the Wookiee extras were found locally, and they included basketball players and a prison security guard. These performers were fitted with sculpted muscle suits covered in stretchy material knitted with modacrylic hair." (p. 266) ~  Savage  BOB sig.png 15:57, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow! Thank you so much for the info. You've gone above and beyond the call of duty to type out all of that Chronicles info. You are wonderful! Although I'm a little bummed that not a single source gives a sex for Lachichuk. Not even his/her CSWE entry. Weird. Menkooroo 06:42, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Wurokkk and Weebacca
There are no sources listed, so... MasterFred (Whatever) 18:34, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nothing on them in the CSWE. In case of Weebacca, though, you still have to check Galactic Battlegrounds: Prima's Official Strategy Guide. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 09:16, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * I seem to have forgotten to thank you. Well, thanks for checking. I plan on purchasing the game guide soon. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 22:07, April 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Wow. I somehow totally missed Weebacca's entry.
 * Weebacca A childhood friend of Chewbacca's, he was known in his clan for being a small Wookiee with a big Wookiee's attitude. Weebacca could be untrustworthy and petty at times, but he was loyal to Chewie and the two were never in conflict, despite whatever trouble Weebacca was in. Weebacca loved sabacc and always seemed short of money. When he was in desperate needs of large sums of credits, he would take any job, no matter how dangerous, and eventually he became a bodyguard-for-hire. After his home planet was invaded and enslaved by the Empire, he dropped his lucrative smuggling career and rushed home to help. Although he survived the Imperial attack at Kepitenochan, Weebacca was later revealed to be a traitor working for the Empire.  QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:38, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, QGJ! Well, this is almost word-for-word from the databank on Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds. :P Thanks anyway. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 18:45, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

Gyylghrard

 * Any entries on this guy? Thanks. ToRsO bOy 11:03, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nothing in the CSWE. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 19:39, April 21, 2011 (UTC)

Possibly-asthmatic Hahrynyar

 * Anything for him? His sources say so.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 03:56, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * There's quite a lot, actually.

Hahrynyar An elderly Wookiee, he was part of the slave labor pool that built the first Death Star. Hahrynyar's pelt was almost entirely gray. He was stubborn and often appeared to forget that he could understand Basic. A natural-born leader and worker, he served as a crew chief on several projects, including the installation of thermal exhaust ports near the main exhaust port in Sector N-1. He got into an argument with Teelo Kaarz over the placement of secondary ports; she felt that the smaller ports should be moved, and said she would get authorization to do so. But Hahrynyar contracted an illness that left him with a ravaging cough and a high fever, and he was out of commission while the work on the secondary exhaust ports continued. Kaarz never did obtain the required authorization, and the secondary ports were installed just below the main port, something that one day would prove a fatal error. QuiGonJinn (Talk) 07:04, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sweet, thanks. I may try and get this to GAN, then, if I can get wordy enough.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 07:08, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Background check
Any entries for Kessel Correctional Facility or Spice Mines of Kessel? I'm still trying to wrap my head around the place. Thanks! ToRsO bOy 21:09, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Kessel Correctional Facility Despite its name, this medium-security prison facility was actually located on Kessel's Garrison Moon at the height of the New Order. Those prisoners who were physically unable to contribute to the mining of spice on Kessel itself, yet were too valuable to dispatch, were given menial duties at the facility.
 * Spice Mines of Kessel do not have their own entry. The only mention I could find was in

spice A name given to a variety of drugs, in particular the glitterstim spice mined underground on the planet Kessel. [&hellip;]  QuiGonJinn  (Talk) 08:47, April 23, 2011 (UTC)

Dewlanna (who fricking raised Han Solo, mind you)
Can someone help me out with the info on Dewlannamapia from The New Essential Chronology? QuiGonJinn (Talk) 09:30, April 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, and from A Guide to the Star Wars Universe (Third Edition), too, please. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 11:37, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * The Chronology: "The only bright spot in Han's early life was a kindly female Wookiee named Dewlanna, who worked for [Garris] Shrike as a cook and acted as the human boy's surrogate mother. She taught Han to speak and understand Shyriiwook." This was part of an IU biography of Han compiled by the Historical Council based on interviews with him. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 19:18, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * From AGTTSWU3rd: "Dewlannamapia (Dewlanna) A Wookiee and a widow, she was Han Solo's closest friend when he was growing up on Trader's Luck. She was nearly 600 years old when Garris Shrike killed her while she was protecting Han. As she was dying, she made Han promise to leave Shrike's band and be happy." (p. 154) ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 04:33, April 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you both. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 05:42, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

PiE! ...At least, I think that's how he does it...
Does anyone have The Official Star Wars Fact File 12? I need to know if it mentions Factryn meat pies. It does mention Factryns, so I mainly need to know if the pies were made of Factryns. NaruHina Talk  00:40, April 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * You should ask either CavalierOne or Borsk Fey'lya. They both have the FFs and are probably not monitoring this page, I'd guess. ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 04:48, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

Battle of Kashyyyk (Separatist Crisis)
I need any CSWE entry that mentions the Battle of Kashyyyk (Separatist Crisis). Likely mentions would be the Wookiee Trade Guild, the Army of the Wookiee Trade Guild, the Wawaatt Archipelago, the Trade Federation, and maybe Kashyyyk. Also, more importantly, the 28 BBY date mentioned in the article isn't mentioned in the game as far as I can see. This date for the battle is present in many articles, so either it is fanon or in another source not listed in the article. The most likely source would be The New Essential Chronology, so could someone check that for mention of the battle. Thanks. Kilson ( Let's have a chat ) 02:50, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * The Wawaatt Archipelago entry mentions only the Clone Wars battle; there is nothing in the Trade Federation and the Kashyyyk entries; the Wookiee Trade Guild and its army don't have entries at all. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:51, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info, but what about the Essential Chronology. Kilson ( Let's have a chat ) 20:03, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not mentioned in the NEC either. According to it, Dooku announced the Confederacy in 24 BBY, starting the Confederacy. I'm thinking the date is fanon: the next battle in the Crisis's list took place in 22 BBY. Apparently Attack on the Trade Federation Research Station took place in 32 BBY...I sense a disturbance. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 23:43, May 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks Naru. I'll remove that date unless someone can find a source that states the date. Kilson ( Let's have a chat ) 05:16, May 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * If I may interject...Unfortunately the game does not specify a date for the Research Station attack; I accidentally assumed the Separatist Crisis starts as early as 32 BBY. Hope that helps. Corellian PremierRobotech.jpg along the watchtower 15:45, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Snoova in Galaxies?
Does anyone play Star Wars Galaxies? Is there any truth to the information on this page, or is it complete fanon? Thanks, ~ Savage   14:54, May 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't play Galaxies, but I am reasonably familiar with the SWG wiki. Generally, the character articles on that site that are followed by "(character)" after their name are articles that users have created on player-generated characters, to allow them to create fanon biographies of their Galaxies characters. Thus, the content of that article is likely not canon. --Jinzler 17:13, May 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, good to know. Interesting that they allow PC bios at all, but glad to know how to spot them now. Thanks! ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 18:40, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

The Forgotten War
Does anybody have Hyperspace? If so, can you tell me what, if anything, The Forgotten War: The Nagai and the Tofs says about Vargi? Thanks. Menkooroo 15:46, May 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * There's a paragraph that glosses Knife's establishment of slave operations on Kashyyyk and the Heroes of Yavin's defeat of the plan, but nothing specifically mentions Vargi. ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 16:27, May 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * You have everything! :P Thank ya! Menkooroo 16:45, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Snoova in Galactic Battlegrounds
Apparently, Snoova is in Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds. Does anyone know in what capacity? It's the one source for him I don't have access to. :( ~ Savage   06:14, May 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * I have not played this game. Initial searches reveal no evidence of Snoova in any walkthroughs, or databanks that I can find. However, a large number of modders mention Snoova, and use him as a model base. He might be the "bounty hunter unit" for the Kashyyyk/Wookiee campaign from the game. If so, that'd mean he COULD be in any battle (that has the potential to reach the right tech level/availability). Or he might NOT have participated in any of them. There doesn't seem to be a specific level of the Wookiee campaign that starts you with a bounty hunter, or requires one to complete objectives. SinisterSamurai 04:55, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Interesting. Can you point me to a page that has images of the Wookiee bounty hunter or the Snoova mod folks have made? ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 05:04, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * A few of the comments seem to cement that Snoova is in the game, but there really isn't much. I can't find a hero's list or a bounty hunter list through google, which is odd. The armies/civilizations seem to all be mirrors of one another, but with different sprites. Judging by search results, Snoova appears to have almost no impact at all. This would make sense if he were essentially one of several possible coats of paint for a unit, essentially cosmetic change for a unit that may or may not be generated. Still this is all speculation. PS: Game manuals don't seem to reveal anything. SinisterSamurai 06:15, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you're probably right that the sprite used for a generic "Wookiee bounty hunter" unit is probably modeled after Snoova. I've got a copy of the strategy guide on the way in the mail (found it for a penny on Amazon), so I'll check there to see if that clears anything up. Thanks again for your help; hopefully I can sort this out before the BB ends! ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 15:14, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

Good articles

 * Knuckles of the katarn

Comprehensive articles

 * Sunchoo's village
 * Klak
 * Tree-drum music

I want to talk about this project!
General chit-chat goes here. Menkooroo 08:12, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Is this only Wookiee characters we're talking here, or should we consider the stuff in Category:Wookiee culture fair game as well? ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 03:14, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I was thinking the same thing. What about Kashyyyk and Wookiee Chieftain, a location and position respectively. Are these included? MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 03:44, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I say yes! Menkooroo 04:01, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Rawwrr?  JangFett  (Talk) 03:45, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Hasbro Wookiees
Any ideas on ID'ing any of these? ~ Savage   06:18, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now, #1, 2, and 3 are the same guy. I think it's Grakchawwaa, but the outfit is more Salporin.
 * Nos. 4 and 5 have the same live-action portrait, but they have different decos on the toy itself. Not sure how we should handle them.
 * No. 6 is a repaint of 4 and 5; I think this is a new character, specific to Hasbro for this reason.
 * No. 9 (two characters) are repaints of #1. They are not likely to represent any specific characters and are thus probably unique to Hasbro.
 * No. 10 is another repaint of #1. He must be intended to represent someone in the comic.
 * Now, #1, 2, and 3 are the same guy. I think it's Grakchawwaa, but the outfit is more Salporin.
 * Nos. 4 and 5 have the same live-action portrait, but they have different decos on the toy itself. Not sure how we should handle them.
 * No. 6 is a repaint of 4 and 5; I think this is a new character, specific to Hasbro for this reason.
 * No. 9 (two characters) are repaints of #1. They are not likely to represent any specific characters and are thus probably unique to Hasbro.
 * No. 10 is another repaint of #1. He must be intended to represent someone in the comic.
 * Now, #1, 2, and 3 are the same guy. I think it's Grakchawwaa, but the outfit is more Salporin.
 * Nos. 4 and 5 have the same live-action portrait, but they have different decos on the toy itself. Not sure how we should handle them.
 * No. 6 is a repaint of 4 and 5; I think this is a new character, specific to Hasbro for this reason.
 * No. 9 (two characters) are repaints of #1. They are not likely to represent any specific characters and are thus probably unique to Hasbro.
 * No. 10 is another repaint of #1. He must be intended to represent someone in the comic.
 * I think I've worked out that #4 is Lachichuk. The photo used for #4 and #5 is him, so it would make sense that the figure who actually has his colors (#4) is indeed him. The repaints of him (#5 and #6) seem to be impostors of some sort. #7 is Guanta per its live-action photo. #1, 2, and 3 are Grakchawwaa per their live-action photos. Menkooroo 06:27, April 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * One other consideration is that, according to the Databank entry on Wookiees, there were only 8 Wookiee costumes created for Revenge of the Sith (9 if you include Chewbacca), and these were replicated digitally for all Wookiees in the battle of Kashyyyk. For that reason, I'm not sure if we can really say definitively that these unnamed Hasbro Wookiees are supposed to be Guanta, Salporin, Grakchawwaa, etc. Or maybe we can; what do others think? At the very least, its' worth mentioning the Hasbro figures in the BTS's of these characters. ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 03:36, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... I think we can definitively state that the live-action images used on the cardbacks are images of the actors in the suit rather than of digital replicas. So at the very least, I think we could say in the bts "An image of Guanta/Lachichuk/Frank the Wookiee was included with the figure, and the figure was based off of his likeness." I'd also lobby for including the figures in the Sources section without a, save for the Lachichuk figure that definitely isn't Lachichuk and probably merits a . Menkooroo 06:40, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I could go for that. There may be more negotiation to be done on the FAN or GAN pages, but we can handle it when it comes up. ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 15:28, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Who's that Wookiee?
OK, so in the image to the right here, we have most of the ROTS Wookiee costumes on view. There's an alternate version of this on p. 156 of The Making of Star Wars Revenge of the Sith that is basically the same lineup of Wookiees, in the same order, but with Rick McCallum in the middle. The caption on the opposite page says, "McCallum and Wookiee #5 (Axel Dench); #7 (David Stiff); #2 (Steven Foy); #1 (James Rowland); #6 (Julian Khazzouh); #4 (Robert Cope); #3 'Tarfful' (Michel Kingma)." Unfortunately, the author does not indicate whether he's counting off front row, back row; back row, front row; or going clockwise or counterclockwise. Based on the ID of Tarfful though, and based on any other Wookiee/actor associations we know, can we use Rinzler's info at all? ~ Savage   15:28, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Great find! Axel Dench is Merumeru per his databank entry on sw.com, and Salporin is David Stiff per his own DB entry. Merumeru is top row, third from the left, and Salporin is bottom row, first on the left. If the lineup is the same in The Making of ROTS as it is in this picture, then I can't make heads or tails of what the counting method is. Here is what we know for sure:

?   3    5    ?

7    ?     ?

This is a guess I'll hazard --- based on how they're standing in the McCallum image, would this make sense?

1  3   5   6

7   2    4

That way they'd be starting in the top left corner and then proceeding diagonally down/straight back up toward the right. Would that work? Menkooroo 16:34, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Answering my own question: I just got a hold of the book, and looking at the photo, my suggestion actually seems like a pretty big stretch. As far as identifying who played Guanta, Grakchawwaa, Lachichuk, and Eugroothwa, I think we might have to in each case say something like "This character was played by either Steven Foy, James Rowland, Julian Khazzouh, or Robert Cope." Even then, this is another fantastic find, Bob. Two days in, and you've already done all kinds of wonders for this project. :D Menkooroo 17:44, April 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think Rinzler just got lazy and didn't even try to identify which Wookiee was which. At least now we know what the "on-set" names of a few of the Wookiees were (the numbers). As for this stuff, I love BTS info, and Wookiees are kind of like big Ewoks. I'm actually disappointed that ILM took the easy way out and just copy and pasted the same seven or eight Wookiees over and over. At least in ROTJ, they actually had a bunch of actors, each with a unique costume! Lazy, lazy, lazy, Lucas! ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 20:48, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

Template and project page
I say we make a template to put on the talk page of these articles. If need be, I could help make one. It would just say something along the lines of, " was nominated to FA/GA/CA status as part of the May 2011 Wookie-related barn-burner." Also, I am willing to (and would enjoy) keeping up with these on a page in my userspace. I know we're aiming to make it as simple and non-official as possible. That's why I'd keep it in my userspace instead of making a project for it. All I would do is keep track of what articles reached status due to the project. Maybe a before and after like thing. Anyone opposed to me doing these two things? MasterFred (Whatever) 20:29, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a good idea, but I think has already set something up for this in his userspace. Check out User:Eyrezer/Atrivis. ~  Savage  BOB sig.png 20:34, April 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * As Bob said, I've hopefully got your second aim covered off, but I think you should definitely create a talk page template. I am happy to help you tweak it if you want a second opinion. --Eyrezer 00:06, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I've got ahead and created the following template that can be placed on the talk pages of successful nominations. I am happy to take suggestions on improvements. --Eyrezer 00:40, May 1, 2011 (UTC)


 * I changed the color in order to make it less generic with other talk page templates. I'll revert if y'all oppose it. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 18:50, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * I love it. I'd just recommend adding links to this thread, to Wookiee, and to May 2011. Menkooroo 09:43, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * There is already a link to this thread. Added date links. --Eyrezer 09:52, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

More ROTS Wookiees
Below is a list of all known adaptations, tie-ins, and peripheral material related to Revenge of the Sith (all that I know of, anyway). I've started to go through it and identify which Wookiees appear in which sources for the benefit of anyone doing movie Wookiees for the barn-burner. I've crossed through the sources I've checked; feel free to pitch in, though. It's quite a task! ~ Savage   04:15, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Adaptations

 * Episode III: Revenge of the Sith Storybook (Chewbacca, Merumeru + Wookiee roar image (po), Tarfful)
 * Obi-Wan's Foe (none)
 * Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (comics)
 * Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith 1
 * Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith 2
 * Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith 3 (Chewbacca, Tarfful)
 * Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith 4
 * Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (trade paperback) (Chewbacca, Tarfful)
 * Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (junior novelization) (Chewbacca, Tarfful)
 * Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (novel) (none)
 * Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (PhotoComic) (Merumeru and anyone in the Wookiee ROAR! image, Tarfful, Chewbacca)
 * Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (video game)
 * No Wookiees.
 * Star Wars Episode III Revenge of the Sith: Illustrated Screenplay (Merumeru, any Wookiees behind him in the Wookiee ROAR! image, Chewbacca, Tarfful)
 * Star Wars Revenge of the Sith (Interactive Play-A-Sound)

Tie-ins

 * Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith (toy line) (Tarfful, Chewbacca, Lachichuk (po?), Guanta (po?), Grakchawwaa (po?))
 * Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith (Funfax)
 * Revenge of the Sith: Incredible Cross-Sections
 * Attichitcuk (Really!), Chewbacca, Zittaasabba, Eugroothwa
 * Revenge of the Sith: The Visual Dictionary
 * Chewie, Tarfful, Lachichuk, Merumeru, and Guanta. Also the "Rawwrr!" image.
 * Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith Scrapbook
 * Chewie, Tarfful, Merumeru, Wookiee Rawwrr! image, whoever's in the image to the right.
 * The one closest to the camera looks like Salporin. And that's definitely Eugroothwa on the far right. Not sure about the others. Menkooroo 15:53, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Star Wars Miniatures: Revenge of the Sith
 * Two generic Wookiee figures, but I don't think we can equate them with any actual characters. Also Tarfful and Chewie. Menkooroo 09:49, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith Ultimate Sticker Book
 * Tarfful, Chewie
 * Revenge of the Sith (trading-card game)
 * Chewie
 * Episode III: Revenge of the Sith: Prima Official Game Guide
 * No Wookiees.
 * Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (soundtrack)
 * Star Wars Revenge of the Sith: MasterWorks Lithographic Art Print Collection (Merumeru, any Wookiees behind him in the Wookiee ROAR! image)

Behind the scenes

 * Episode III Set Diary
 * Episode III Post Notes
 * The Making of Star Wars Revenge of the Sith
 * Chewie, Tarfful, Lachichuk, Guanta, Grakchawwaa, Eugroothwa, Salporin, and Merumeru. In other words... everyone!
 * The Art of Revenge of the Sith
 * "Chewbacca's father (Not Itchy; concept art of some new guy)," Chewbacca, and otherwise just "Wookiee concept art."
 * Star Wars Chronicles: The Prequels
 * All of 'em, plus the Rawrr pic.
 * Revenge: The Real Life Story of Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith

The "Rawwr" image

 * Here's my take on the "Rawwrr!" image. Unlike the action figures, which contain live-action shots of the Wookiees that are definitely the actors in costume, the "Rawwr!" image isn't really clear which Wookiees it's presenting (save for Merumeru). I mean, I assume that the other six actors were standing in the front row, but without proof of that, I don't think we can say for sure. Thoughts? Menkooroo 04:33, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Then again, I think that every Wookiee is in that image. Salporin, Lachichuk, Guanta, Eugroothwa, and Grakchawuuk are definitely in there somewhere, aren't they? Save for the photocomic, which doesn't include the entire image... that one might still be iffy. Menkooroo 04:46, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree except for instances where we have a confirmation that a particular Wookiee is supposed to be in the pic. For instance, Chronicles: The Prequels indicates that Guanta, Lachichuk, and Salporin are all supposed to be present in the mass behind Merumeru (p. 267). It's possible other sources establish other Wookiees as being there too, but I'm not sure which. ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 05:04, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, right! The image caption. That's... awesome info. Thank ya. Menkooroo 05:24, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Is the illustrated screenplay an appearance or a source? Menkooroo 05:28, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's the same info as the movie, told through dialogue, so I can't imagine it'd be anything but an appearance. ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 05:46, April 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Incidentally, p. 185 of The Making of Revenge of the Sith shows the "Rawwr!" image being filmed. The actor in the Merumeru costume is the only one there, rawwring in front of a blue screen, so presumably the other Wookiees were added later. This still doesn't tell us whether all of the others were digital, of course, but it's an interesting tidbit for any relevant pages. ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 15:02, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

The Wookiees Are Back!

 * Here's a bit more BTS info for anyone working on a ROTS Wookiee. It may be pertinent, although it's more generic in nature. This is all from the following source:
 * "The Wookiees Are Back!"&mdash;Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith DVD
 * Each actor had a complete body and facial cast made for use in creation of a custom-made muscle suit.
 * Rebecca Hunt was Creature Shop Supervisor and oversaw all stages of Wookiee costume production for ROTS.
 * Lou Elsey was Fabrication Supervisor and oversaw the adding of hair to the suits.
 * The crew shot the actors in their suits over and over again running over the ramparts from the Rawwr image. Each time, they switched around their weapons and accessories to mix 'em up a bit. These provided the live-action Wookiees for the shot.
 * The front row of Wookiees in the rampart shot are live action, but everything else is CG.
 * Like I said, maybe some of it is pertinent. ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 15:20, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh, and there are some quick shots of various actors in their suits but unmasked. I don't know how helpful those are, but it could potentially help us ID who played the remaining Wookiees for whom we don't have a definite actor ID. ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 15:22, May 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Awesome find. It's on youtube. It looks like Robert Cope is Eugroothwa --- at about 4:05, Coleman tells Eugroothwa "OK, Robert, you're spot-on, you're doing great." Menkooroo 02:47, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

Wookiee southpaw

 * Question #967 of Obsessed With Star Wars asks, "Which Wookiee was left-handed?" The possible answers are Chewbacca, Tarfful, Lachichuk, and Guanta. Unfortunately, I only have access to the book through Google Books, and the answers are only in the electronic gizmo that comes with the set. Does anyone have any idea which of these four Wookiees is a lefty? ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 17:26, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * According to this image, Chewie's the lefty. However, perusing all the images of him shows he's just as often portrayed firing the bowcaster with his right hand, which indicates ambidexterity. Still, if anyone has Obsessed With Star Wars, I'm curious what their answer is. ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 23:01, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * And to continue the conversation with myself, Tarfful is a lefty, and is probably the one the makers of the book had in mind. It's explicitly stated that he's a southpaw in The Complete Visual Dictionary. ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 01:25, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

WaRRRRiors!
Star Wars: The Clone Wars Comic UK 6.19 features the above WookieeWarriors image in its article on, well, Wookiees. That might be worth tagging as Po in relevant articles. QuiGonJinn (Talk) 20:17, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks! What's the article title? And do we cite this magazine like we do others, with both article and issue? Is there some sort of template? ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 22:22, April 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Unless it's a unique comic story within the magazine, it seems like people have just been citing the magazine, such as here here and here. Thanks for the heads-up, QuiGon. Menkooroo 03:37, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, that seems lazy. I'm going to whip something up so the article, which is simply title "Wookiees" can be at least mentioned, even if it doesn't get it's own article. It probably should; I can see no reason to treat this magazine differently from others, like Gamer and Insider. ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 01:24, May 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * If it was a recurring article, like the Clone Wars Infinities stuff, I'd say it needs a link and the magazine issue. If the article is unique to the issue, then I'd cite the issue, then list the article as a non-link, or a subsection of the issue page. SinisterSamurai 16:49, May 4, 2011 (UTC)

Meaning of Wookiee names
Callsigns: Names of Kashyyyk has a list of the meaning of Wookiee prefixes and suffixes. If components of your Wookiee name appears here, this would be appropriate material to include in a P&T section. Note: the prefixes and suffixes are in the original article, but not the examples shown on our page. --Eyrezer 01:24, May 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * The same info is in Galactic Campaign Guide as well, in case anybody has that but not the former. Thanks for the heads-up, Eyre. Menkooroo 03:36, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

Name of the ROTS battle
I'm referring to this one, of course. Does anybody know of a source that actually calls it the "Battle of Kashyyyk" and lumps the space and ground battles together? I ask this not because I intend to write the article (which I don't have time to do), but because I found while getting the entry for somebody that Merumeru's CSWE entry clearly refers to the ground conflict as the "Battle of Kachirho". Our article on the battle does not use a Conjecture tag, but neither does it use the 1stID tag or mention the subject of naming in the BTS. If the space and ground conflicts do indeed have different names, then not only should that article be moved, but this would affect other related articles, which should use the correct name of the battle. The CSWE entries for Guanta, Lachichuk, Salporin, Yoda, Chewbacca, and Tarfful do not give any name for the battle. Anybody?  Master Jonathan &mdash; Jedi Council Chambers Sunday, May 15, 2011, 20:00 UTC
 * From the Wawaatt Archipelago entry: The bases there were used to launch the attacks on Kachirho during the First Battle of Kashyyyk. Volume III, page 322. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 20:07, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, so that makes two different names, neither of which match the current title of the article, which is simply "Battle of Kashyyyk". So does any source refer to it as simply "Battle of Kashyyyk", or do we need to flip a coin to determine what the new name of the article will be? And if this is the first battle, then what is the second battle, considering that the next battle there (according to this list appears to be called "First Battle of Kashyyyk" also (though that article also contains no evidence for the name)?  Master Jonathan &mdash; Jedi Council Chambers Sunday, May 15, 2011, 20:19 UTC

Freyyr's warblade
Could someone upload an image of Freyyr's warblade from Kotor II?-- Exiled Jedi   (Greetings)  14:03, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

I would also like to know if an entry on the weapon was included in Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords: Prima Official Game Guide-- Exiled Jedi   (Greetings)  14:32, May 17, 2011 (UTC)

Some handy references

 * Category:Wookiees: Go nuts.
 * Wookieepedia's Manual of Style and Layout Guide: for instructions on how to format an article
 * Four Dot's Character Article Tutorial --- how to write a good Character article
 * Bigfoot sightings: A place to report any encounters that become too close for comfort
 * How to put out a fire: Because those barns never did anything to us