Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Log/2012 November 3

[11/04/12 01:00:16] <@Menkooroo>	Welcome to the meeting, everyone [11/04/12 01:00:50] <@Menkooroo>	It's 8 AM and I'm too tired to keep up the weak attempt at Sherlock Holmes-speak [11/04/12 01:01:26] <@Menkooroo>	So, let's start with old business [11/04/12 01:01:39] <@Menkooroo>	Wedge Antilles [11/04/12 01:01:47] <@Menkooroo>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Wedge_Antilles?t=20121101021903 [11/04/12 01:01:53] <@Menkooroo>	MJ is working on the last redlink now [11/04/12 01:02:00] <@Menkooroo>	It'll be down to three in about two minutes [11/04/12 01:02:24] <@Menkooroo>	I'd post the "diff" link but I'm on a very slow computer. [11/04/12 01:02:31] <@GreenTentacle>	Can we extend for two minutes? [11/04/12 01:02:38] <@Menkooroo>	The meeting, or Wedge? [11/04/12 01:03:09] <@GreenTentacle>	Wedge. Kidding anyway, I'd have happily kept despite the redlinks. [11/04/12 01:03:17] <@Menkooroo>	ohhhh I see [11/04/12 01:03:18] <@Menkooroo>	heh [11/04/12 01:03:26] <@Menkooroo>	I vote keep [11/04/12 01:03:39] <@Menkooroo>	also, MJ just created it [11/04/12 01:03:42] <@Menkooroo>	it's down to three now. [11/04/12 01:03:47] <@Menkooroo>	and the update is done. [11/04/12 01:03:57] <@GreenTentacle>	Keep [11/04/12 01:04:01] <@GreenTentacle>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Wedge_Antilles&diff=4220488&oldid=4187509 [11/04/12 01:04:06] <@ecks>	Keep [11/04/12 01:04:06] <@Menkooroo>	thanks [11/04/12 01:04:18] <@CavalierOne>	Keep [11/04/12 01:05:10] <@Menkooroo>	Any objections from Toprawa or Jangio? [11/04/12 01:05:37] <@Menkooroo>	Cal, CC, and Culator say keep [11/04/12 01:05:44] <@Menkooroo>	Wedge is... [11/04/12 01:05:45] <@Menkooroo>	kept. [11/04/12 01:05:56] <@Menkooroo>	Next up: Kowakian Monkey Lizard [11/04/12 01:05:57] <@ecks>	!meh [11/04/12 01:05:59] <@Nuku-Nuku>	ecks: Error: "meh" is not a valid command. [11/04/12 01:05:59] <@Menkooroo>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Kowakian_monkey-lizard?t=20121029121853 [11/04/12 01:06:14] <@Menkooroo>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=4187513 [11/04/12 01:06:33] <@Toprawa>	Kill [11/04/12 01:06:40] <@Toprawa>	There's no one left to work on this article at present [11/04/12 01:06:42] <@ecks>	Kill [11/04/12 01:06:44] <@Menkooroo>	No change except adding more redlinks [11/04/12 01:06:51] <@CavalierOne>	Kill [11/04/12 01:06:57] <@Menkooroo>	And nobody willing to work on it. [11/04/12 01:07:04] <@Menkooroo>	Any movie FA requires frequent care [11/04/12 01:07:05] <@Menkooroo>	Kill [11/04/12 01:07:07] <@GreenTentacle>	Kill [11/04/12 01:07:24] <@Menkooroo>	absentees say kill [11/04/12 01:07:27] <@Toprawa>	Movie + TCW articles require double frequent care. :P [11/04/12 01:07:33] <@Menkooroo>	heh [11/04/12 01:07:36] <@Menkooroo>	Monkey Lizard killed. [11/04/12 01:07:46] <@Menkooroo>	Ton Phanan [11/04/12 01:07:48] <@Menkooroo>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Ton_Phanan?t=20121028213702 [11/04/12 01:07:49] <@Toprawa>	GT, are you adopting Phanan? [11/04/12 01:07:56] <@Toprawa>	I'd feel better about this article if you said yes. [11/04/12 01:08:00] <@Menkooroo>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=4187518 [11/04/12 01:08:06] <@ecks>	Seems ok [11/04/12 01:08:07] <@ecks>	Keep [11/04/12 01:08:14] <@CavalierOne>	You skipped Wraith Squadron [11/04/12 01:08:22] <@Menkooroo>	whooops [11/04/12 01:08:23] <@Menkooroo>	sorry [11/04/12 01:08:30] <@Menkooroo>	I had my windows open in the wrong order [11/04/12 01:08:33] <@Menkooroo>	Mind if we do Ton first? [11/04/12 01:08:35] <@GreenTentacle>	Toprawa: Yes. [11/04/12 01:08:39] <@Toprawa>	Good [11/04/12 01:09:21] <@Menkooroo>	Ok, let's finish Ton and then swing back to the Wraiths [11/04/12 01:09:35] <@Toprawa>	Keep Phanan [11/04/12 01:09:35] <@Menkooroo>	GT has taken care of Ton, and the update doesn't seem like it was that big [11/04/12 01:09:42] <@Menkooroo>	he wasn't actually in the new Wraith book [11/04/12 01:09:45] <@Menkooroo>	Keep [11/04/12 01:09:56] <@CavalierOne>	Keep [11/04/12 01:10:18] <@Menkooroo>	absentees say keep [11/04/12 01:10:29] <@Menkooroo>	If there are no objections... the doctor is kept. [11/04/12 01:10:34] <@Menkooroo>	Wraith Squadron: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Wraith_Squadron [11/04/12 01:10:45] <@Menkooroo>	Ataru has been actively working on it; I'm happy to grant the extension [11/04/12 01:11:10] <@Toprawa>	Extend, though I feel like something needs to be said for a Redux case. [11/04/12 01:11:11] <@Menkooroo>	extend [11/04/12 01:11:19] <@Menkooroo>	Yeah, I'll probably vote redux next time [11/04/12 01:11:24] <@GreenTentacle>	Extend [11/04/12 01:11:27] <@Toprawa>	This article is like the epitome of Redux. [11/04/12 01:11:46] <@GreenTentacle>	Agreed. [11/04/12 01:11:48] <@CavalierOne>	Extend [11/04/12 01:11:57] <@ecks>	There totally needs to be a "permanently reduxed articles" page [11/04/12 01:11:59] <@ecks>	Extend [11/04/12 01:12:11] <@ecks>	I'd hate to see the seventh review of Jaina... [11/04/12 01:12:36] <@Menkooroo>	It's not hypothetical [11/04/12 01:12:39] <@Menkooroo>	wait two minutes ;) [11/04/12 01:12:50] <@Menkooroo>	Two absentees voted kill, but it was before Ataru's extension request [11/04/12 01:12:59] <@Menkooroo>	Cal didn't vote, so Tope gets his vote on this one [11/04/12 01:13:01] <@Menkooroo>	Wraiths extended [11/04/12 01:13:17] <@Menkooroo>	Shikkar [11/04/12 01:13:23] <@Menkooroo>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Shikkar [11/04/12 01:13:31] <@Menkooroo>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=4187521 [11/04/12 01:13:35] <@GreenTentacle>	Kill [11/04/12 01:13:41] <@Toprawa>	Kill [11/04/12 01:13:50] <@CavalierOne>	Kill [11/04/12 01:13:50] <@Menkooroo>	no change... no edits at all!!! [11/04/12 01:13:51] <@Menkooroo>	Kill [11/04/12 01:13:52] <@Toprawa>	Will all love to Jugs, he's declared his inactivity at present [11/04/12 01:13:57] <@Menkooroo>	absentees say kill [11/04/12 01:14:01] <@Toprawa>	Many of his articles are going this route [11/04/12 01:14:08] <@Menkooroo>	Shikkar is knifed. [11/04/12 01:14:39] <@Menkooroo>	Keshiri [11/04/12 01:14:39] <@Menkooroo>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Keshiri [11/04/12 01:15:01] <@Menkooroo>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=4187525 [11/04/12 01:15:07] <@Menkooroo>	Bob seems to be working on it [11/04/12 01:15:47] <@Menkooroo>	Absentees say extend, although CC also noticed the lack of an actual extension request [11/04/12 01:15:49] <@Toprawa>	He really hasn't made that many substantial edits. [11/04/12 01:15:58] <@Toprawa>	I'd feel better if a request was made, yeah [11/04/12 01:16:03] <@CavalierOne>	Also, Spiral is ongoing for another few months. [11/04/12 01:16:05] <@Toprawa>	Or if he had put the inuse tag on it or something [11/04/12 01:16:16] <@GreenTentacle>	Per Toprawa. [11/04/12 01:16:40] <@CavalierOne>	It'll have to be extended until the end of the arc at least, or it will end up back on th epage. [11/04/12 01:17:21] <@Menkooroo>	He did leave a comment on the review page saying that he was working on it. I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and extend, but then kill next month if there's nothing doing. [11/04/12 01:17:51] <@Toprawa>	Very well [11/04/12 01:17:55] <@ecks>	Yeah, extend [11/04/12 01:17:58] <@Menkooroo>	Extend [11/04/12 01:17:58] <@GreenTentacle>	Fine, extend. [11/04/12 01:18:05] <@CavalierOne>	Extend [11/04/12 01:18:14] <@Menkooroo>	Purple dudes extended. [11/04/12 01:18:20] <@Menkooroo>	Tahv [11/04/12 01:18:21] <@Menkooroo>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Tahv [11/04/12 01:18:23] <@Menkooroo>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=4187524 [11/04/12 01:18:24] <@Menkooroo>	No change [11/04/12 01:18:30] <@CavalierOne>	Kill [11/04/12 01:18:33] <@Menkooroo>	Bring about the Destruction of Tahv [11/04/12 01:18:44] <@Toprawa>	Kill [11/04/12 01:18:48] <@ecks>	Kill [11/04/12 01:18:54] <@Menkooroo>	absentees say kill [11/04/12 01:18:59] <@Menkooroo>	Tahv has been destroyed [11/04/12 01:19:03] <@Menkooroo>	Great Sith War [11/04/12 01:19:08] <@Menkooroo>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Great_Sith_War_(second_review) [11/04/12 01:19:15] <@Toprawa>	This is another article that isn't being looked after. [11/04/12 01:19:24] <@Toprawa>	Random people fix it up from time to time. [11/04/12 01:19:26] <@ecks>	Someone should FA Alderaan only so that we could be like "Alderaan has been destroyed" [11/04/12 01:19:32] <@Menkooroo>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=4187531 [11/04/12 01:19:41] <@Toprawa>	Kill. [11/04/12 01:19:50] <@CavalierOne>	Kill [11/04/12 01:20:02] <@ecks>	Kill [11/04/12 01:20:10] <@GreenTentacle>	Kill [11/04/12 01:22:00] <@ecks>	K, killed [11/04/12 01:22:01] <@Toprawa>	Hello? :P [11/04/12 01:22:08] -!-	Culator|Work ([redacted]@wookieepedia/bureaucrat/Darth-Culator) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [11/04/12 01:22:10] <@ecks>	I think he timed out [11/04/12 01:22:13] *	Menkooroo is now known as Guest8215 [11/04/12 01:22:29] -!-	Menkooroo ([redacted]@wookieepedia/Menkooroo) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [11/04/12 01:22:29] *	ChanServ sets modes [#wookieepedia-inquisitorius +o Menkooroo] [11/04/12 01:22:32] <@Menkooroo>	sorry about taht [11/04/12 01:22:36] <@Menkooroo>	What'd I miss? [11/04/12 01:22:46] <@Toprawa>	Menkooroo	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=4187531 [11/04/12 01:22:48] <@Toprawa>		Toprawa	Kill. [11/04/12 01:22:50] <@Toprawa>		CavalierOne	Kill [11/04/12 01:22:51] <@Toprawa>		ecks	Kill [11/04/12 01:22:52] <@Toprawa>		GreenTentacle	Kill [11/04/12 01:22:54] <@Toprawa>		ecks	K, killed [11/04/12 01:22:55] <@Toprawa>		Toprawa	Hello? [11/04/12 01:22:57] <@Toprawa>		|<--	Culator|Work has left freenode (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [11/04/12 01:22:57] <@Menkooroo>	Great Sith War? [11/04/12 01:22:58] <@Toprawa>		ecks	I think he timed out [11/04/12 01:23:00] <@Toprawa>		=-=	Menkooroo is now known as Guest8215 [11/04/12 01:23:02] <@Toprawa>		-->|	Menkooroo ([redacted]@wookieepedia/Menkooroo) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [11/04/12 01:23:03] <@Toprawa>		=-=	Mode #wookieepedia-inquisitorius +o Menkooroo by ChanServ [11/04/12 01:23:05] <@Toprawa>		Menkooroo	sorry about taht [11/04/12 01:23:06] <@Toprawa>		Menkooroo	What'd I miss? [11/04/12 01:23:08] <@Toprawa>	Yeah [11/04/12 01:23:09] <@Menkooroo>	heh [11/04/12 01:23:10] <@Menkooroo>	Thanks [11/04/12 01:23:17] <@Menkooroo>	I also retroactively vote kill [11/04/12 01:23:20] <@Menkooroo>	OK [11/04/12 01:23:26] <@Menkooroo>	The new ones [11/04/12 01:23:37] <@Menkooroo>	Let's start with Dathka Graush [11/04/12 01:23:44] <@Menkooroo>	Because I think we can probe the other ones all at once [11/04/12 01:23:48] -!-	Guest8215 (79ad43d6@wookieepedia/Menkooroo) has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [11/04/12 01:24:18] <@Menkooroo>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dathka_Graush?action=history [11/04/12 01:24:29] <@Menkooroo>	Lelal updated it but stated in an edit summary that he didn't remove the tag [11/04/12 01:24:42] <@Menkooroo>	just in case Dathka appeared somewhere else in the game [11/04/12 01:25:02] <@Menkooroo>	Should we get Cade in here to confirm it's complete? [11/04/12 01:25:14] <@Toprawa>	Sure. [11/04/12 01:25:18] <@GreenTentacle>	Yeah [11/04/12 01:25:32] <@Toprawa>	I don't even play TOR and its timeline issues annoy me. [11/04/12 01:25:37] <@Menkooroo>	Someone with more IRC know-how than me do it. :D [11/04/12 01:25:46] *	You've invited Cade to #wookieepedia-inquisitorius (hobana.freenode.net) [11/04/12 01:26:05] -!-	Cade (~Cade_Calr@wookieepedia/Cade-Calrayn) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [11/04/12 01:26:12] *	ecks sets modes [#wookieepedia-inquisitorius +v Cade] [11/04/12 01:26:15] <+Cade>	O_O [11/04/12 01:26:21] <@Menkooroo>	Welcome to our super-secret cabal. [11/04/12 01:26:24] <@Toprawa>	The Great and Mighty Inquisitorius has summoned thee. [11/04/12 01:26:27] <+Cade>	O_O [11/04/12 01:26:30] <@Menkooroo>	Let the paddling of thine ass begin. [11/04/12 01:26:34] <+Cade>	o_O [11/04/12 01:26:37] <@ecks>	01:24:18 <@Menkooroo> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dathka_Graush?action=history [11/04/12 01:26:39] <@ecks>	01:25:02 <@Menkooroo> Should we get Cade in here to confirm it's complete? [11/04/12 01:26:43] <+Cade>	Ah, yes [11/04/12 01:26:48] <+Cade>	That thingy. [11/04/12 01:26:51] <@Menkooroo>	We were wondering if you could confirm if Lela's Dathka update is complete [11/04/12 01:26:55] <@Menkooroo>	He seemed unsure in his edit summary [11/04/12 01:27:15] <+Cade>	Hmmm.... [11/04/12 01:27:48] <+Cade>	str\prf/missions.txt:Legacy of Dathka Graush [11/04/12 01:27:48] <+Cade>	str\prf/missions.txt:The ancient Sith Lord Dathka Graush once dwelled in the Naos Asteroid Belt. Your companion will search the asteroids for anything that survived over the centuries. [11/04/12 01:27:48] <+Cade>	str\prf/missions.txt:<<1>> found the millennia-old fortress of Dathka Graush in the Naos Asteroid Belt, and opened its lost vaults. [11/04/12 01:27:58] <@Toprawa>	(Menk, you might want to go back to Ataru after this, since it's not TOR, just FYI) [11/04/12 01:27:59] <+Cade>	Those are the only times Graush is mentioned, as far as I know. [11/04/12 01:28:27] <@Menkooroo>	Tope: Sure, sounds good [11/04/12 01:28:29] <+Cade>	So, yea, I think that's it. The only reason I added the tag was because of that skill mission. [11/04/12 01:28:37] <@Menkooroo>	Great. [11/04/12 01:28:42] <@Menkooroo>	Thanks for the help. [11/04/12 01:28:45] <+Cade>	You're welcome. [11/04/12 01:28:56] <@Menkooroo>	!boot Cade [11/04/12 01:28:57] *	ecks sets modes [#wookieepedia-inquisitorius -v Cade] [11/04/12 01:29:00] <@Toprawa>	heh [11/04/12 01:29:05] <@ecks>	This is a public meeting, he can stay :P [11/04/12 01:29:07] <@Toprawa>	!kick Cade [11/04/12 01:29:08] <@Menkooroo>	Damn. Haven't got it down yet. [11/04/12 01:29:08] *	Nuku-Nuku has kicked Cade from #wookieepedia-inquisitorius (Toprawa) [11/04/12 01:29:13] <@Menkooroo>	lololol [11/04/12 01:29:16] <@ecks>	I think we used to have open meetings [11/04/12 01:29:18] <@Toprawa>	Tell him he can come back if he wants. :P [11/04/12 01:29:19] <@Menkooroo>	But yeah, people can sit in, can't they? [11/04/12 01:29:20] <@ecks>	and something [11/04/12 01:29:21] <@Toprawa>	He just can't talk [11/04/12 01:29:22] *	@ecks shrugs [11/04/12 01:29:25] <@Menkooroo>	Jang and Kilson sat in on one last year [11/04/12 01:29:26] <@Toprawa>	You're right, ecks [11/04/12 01:29:33] <@ecks>	meh [11/04/12 01:29:37] <@ecks>	it's not like we every do this [11/04/12 01:29:39] <@ecks>	but whatever [11/04/12 01:29:41] *	ecks sets modes [#wookieepedia-inquisitorius -i] [11/04/12 01:29:53] <@ecks>	moving on [11/04/12 01:30:05] <@Menkooroo>	I invited him back [11/04/12 01:30:10] <@Menkooroo>	but he's killing things [11/04/12 01:30:35] <@Menkooroo>	Everything else on the new business page needs an update, I think [11/04/12 01:30:47] <@Menkooroo>	Ataru: From the TCW MMO [11/04/12 01:30:58] <@Toprawa>	As long as everything is a month old, probe all the things, and so forth. [11/04/12 01:31:03] <@Toprawa>	I haven't checked myself [11/04/12 01:31:10] <@Menkooroo>	Memmit, Telosian, Hydian, and Sion from TOR [11/04/12 01:31:30] <@Menkooroo>	Jaina and raid on the temple from the Reader's Companion [11/04/12 01:31:41] <@Menkooroo>	Xoxaan we talked about last month, but it wasn't old enough then [11/04/12 01:31:43] <@Menkooroo>	it is now [11/04/12 01:31:48] <@ecks>	Probe Xoxaan [11/04/12 01:32:00] <@Menkooroo>	And Anti-Sith Conspiracy from Darth Vader and the Ghost Prison [11/04/12 01:32:05] <@ecks>	probe [11/04/12 01:32:05] <@Menkooroo>	Those are all more than a month old [11/04/12 01:32:09] <@Menkooroo>	Anyone against a mass-probe? [11/04/12 01:32:14] <@ecks>	yeah, yeah, probe it all [11/04/12 01:32:17] <@GreenTentacle>	Nope [11/04/12 01:32:34] <@Menkooroo>	Absentees say probe all the things [11/04/12 01:32:47] <@Menkooroo>	And we didn't actually vote on Dathka Graush [11/04/12 01:32:49] <@Menkooroo>	I vote keep [11/04/12 01:32:52] <@GreenTentacle>	Spare [11/04/12 01:32:53] <@Menkooroo>	since Lelal took care of everything [11/04/12 01:32:56] <@Menkooroo>	er, spare [11/04/12 01:32:58] <@Toprawa>	Spare [11/04/12 01:33:05] <@CavalierOne>	Ditto [11/04/12 01:33:08] <@Menkooroo>	great [11/04/12 01:33:11] <@Menkooroo>	and probe the rest. [11/04/12 01:33:25] <@ecks>	yeah, spare Graush [11/04/12 01:33:33] <@Menkooroo>	Consensus for sparing Graush and probing the rest. [11/04/12 01:33:43] <@Menkooroo>	On the maintenance issues page... [11/04/12 01:33:44] <@Menkooroo>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/FA_maintenance_issues [11/04/12 01:33:52] <@Menkooroo>	Tera Sinube's update is for today's TCW episode [11/04/12 01:33:56] <@Toprawa>	Sinube and Visz are not a month old. [11/04/12 01:34:05] <@Menkooroo>	Hylo Visz for the less-than-a-month old encyclopedia [11/04/12 01:34:13] <@Menkooroo>	XJ-2 airspeeder for a recent TCW ep [11/04/12 01:34:15] <@Menkooroo>	not a month old yet [11/04/12 01:34:33] <@Menkooroo>	Atton rand for the same TOR encyclopedia [11/04/12 01:34:43] <@Menkooroo>	and Jace Malcom for an Insider short story from this month's issue [11/04/12 01:34:46] <@Menkooroo>	none of them more than a month old [11/04/12 01:34:49] <@Menkooroo>	I vote spare for them all [11/04/12 01:34:55] <@Toprawa>	You missed some, I think. [11/04/12 01:35:05] <@Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Telosian_Jedi_Academy [11/04/12 01:35:23] <@Menkooroo>	We already probed that :D [11/04/12 01:35:30] <@Toprawa>	We did? [11/04/12 01:35:30] <@Menkooroo>	I called it "Telosian" lazily [11/04/12 01:35:37] <@Menkooroo>	Part of our mass-probing [11/04/12 01:35:37] <@Toprawa>	Oh. [11/04/12 01:35:39] <@Toprawa>	My bad. [11/04/12 01:35:48] <@ecks>	Yeah, spare for the new ones [11/04/12 01:35:55] <@Menkooroo>	My fault for being too lazy to type more. [11/04/12 01:36:14] <@Menkooroo>	Everyone good for sparing the less-than-a-month-old ones? [11/04/12 01:36:20] <@Toprawa>	Yup [11/04/12 01:36:21] <@Menkooroo>	FOR NOW [11/04/12 01:36:23] <@GreenTentacle>	Yes [11/04/12 01:36:26] <@CavalierOne>	Yup [11/04/12 01:36:35] <@Menkooroo>	Anyone else have any articles to be put on the chopping block? [11/04/12 01:36:48] <@GreenTentacle>	Anything TCW. :P [11/04/12 01:37:18] <@Menkooroo>	OK, on to general discussion... [11/04/12 01:37:20] <@ecks>	I think we're ready to proceed [11/04/12 01:37:22] <@Menkooroo>	"I'm hoping we can talk about the RFAN page. It's been pretty barren these past few months, with no successful noms since May, and we might want to discuss whether or not it's served its purpose. [11/04/12 01:37:32] <@Menkooroo>	 It was created when were were hoping to maintain a new FA on the Main Page daily, but our current two-a-week system has a nearly nine-month-long queue and doesn't really need any backup. Then again, there's no real harm in keeping the RFAN page... [11/04/12 01:37:40] <@Menkooroo>	and it would definitely be useful if we ever do hope to go back to one a day. Any changes made to it would need to be CT'd, as it's a community-wide thing and not internal INQ business, but I'd just like to get all of your thoughts first. [11/04/12 01:37:47] <@Menkooroo>	So [11/04/12 01:37:52] <@Menkooroo>	I brought this up because... [11/04/12 01:38:14] <@Menkooroo>	Nobody uses it anymore, and our queue is on track to become a year long in the not too distant future [11/04/12 01:38:22] <@Menkooroo>	But, as I said, there's no real harm in leaving it there [11/04/12 01:38:31] <@Toprawa>	2008 articles are about the bare minimum of what I consider "modern quality" [11/04/12 01:38:31] <@Menkooroo>	as a backup for times of need [11/04/12 01:38:37] <@Toprawa>	2007 articles being the pre-Inq era disasters [11/04/12 01:38:41] <@Menkooroo>	Yeah, we've made it past 2007, which is good [11/04/12 01:38:49] <@Toprawa>	Many 2008 articles look pretty lacking by today's standards, though [11/04/12 01:38:52] <@ecks>	Yeah. While it's sad that some articles have been there for over a year, it doesn't do ay real harm [11/04/12 01:39:25] <@Menkooroo>	The header on the top of their page saying "This is nominated to be re-featured on the main page" is a positive, rather than a negative, header [11/04/12 01:39:33] <@ecks>	Just toying around with some ideas here: Could you imagine a RFAN where users would instead nominate old FAs? [11/04/12 01:39:34] <@Menkooroo>	So it's not like it does any damage to leave it there [11/04/12 01:39:39] <@ecks>	Instead of every single being placed on there [11/04/12 01:39:51] <@Menkooroo>	GreenTentacle: Your thoughts, as its creator? [11/04/12 01:40:05] <@GreenTentacle>	It was created for a specific reason which isn't really valid now. [11/04/12 01:40:28] <@GreenTentacle>	I have no problem with killing it until it's needed again. [11/04/12 01:40:29] <@Menkooroo>	Do we want to keep the possibility open of one day returning to one a week? [11/04/12 01:40:34] <@Menkooroo>	Or is that a pipe dream? [11/04/12 01:40:40] <@Menkooroo>	sorry [11/04/12 01:40:41] <@Menkooroo>	one a day [11/04/12 01:40:46] <@Menkooroo>	FA on the main page [11/04/12 01:40:55] <@ecks>	I doubt it [11/04/12 01:40:59] <@Toprawa>	Where are we on the queue right now? [11/04/12 01:41:05] <@Menkooroo>	Late July [11/04/12 01:41:16] <@Menkooroo>	We could do two weeks of one a day to alleviate it [11/04/12 01:41:26] <@Toprawa>	It seems unrealistic right now [11/04/12 01:41:28] <@Menkooroo>	If we get seven FAs from the 'burner, for example [11/04/12 01:41:44] <@CavalierOne>	We have daily GAs. Daily FAs aren't really needed. [11/04/12 01:41:53] <@Menkooroo>	But I can't see nominating or reviewing ever reaching a close-one-every-day level again [11/04/12 01:41:55] <@ecks>	Per GT's stats (I don't know where they are), I don't think we've *ever* produced seven FAs a week [11/04/12 01:41:58] <@Menkooroo>	even with the RFAN [11/04/12 01:42:02] <@Toprawa>	I really don't mind the one-a-week thing. [11/04/12 01:42:09] <@Toprawa>	It gives it more stage time [11/04/12 01:42:10] <@ecks>	Frankly, I don't think there are even seven nominations per week [11/04/12 01:42:17] <@Menkooroo>	per Cav. The GA queue provides the daily new content that the FA queue can't [11/04/12 01:42:17] <@Toprawa>	People look at it as such a failure [11/04/12 01:42:23] <@GreenTentacle>	Yeah, we managed 6 point something at best. [11/04/12 01:42:31] <@GreenTentacle>	And that was a long time ago. [11/04/12 01:42:38] <@Menkooroo>	I like having FAs on for 3.5 days too [11/04/12 01:42:44] <@Menkooroo>	giving them more stage time [11/04/12 01:42:49] <@Menkooroo>	per Tope [11/04/12 01:43:19] <@Menkooroo>	So what do you think? Start a CT (or possibly... a TC?) to kill the RFAN? [11/04/12 01:43:32] <@ecks>	There's a Mofference coming up in one week [11/04/12 01:43:36] <@ecks>	It could be done there [11/04/12 01:43:37] <@Menkooroo>	Anything on there with outstanding objections, bring to the next INQ meeting? [11/04/12 01:43:38] <@Menkooroo>	Oooooooh [11/04/12 01:43:40] <@Menkooroo>	yeah [11/04/12 01:43:43] <@Toprawa>	I agree that it doesn't harm anything by being up there. [11/04/12 01:43:43] <@GreenTentacle>	Per ecks [11/04/12 01:43:46] <@Toprawa>	I'm ok with keeping it around. [11/04/12 01:44:19] <@ecks>	yeah, no big deal to me [11/04/12 01:44:28] <@Menkooroo>	It doesn't do any harm, but if we've accepted that we'll never return to daily FAs, it seems kind of pointless [11/04/12 01:44:51] <@GreenTentacle>	The only remaining advantage is that it found some issues with old FAs. [11/04/12 01:45:02] <@Menkooroo>	yeah [11/04/12 01:45:05] <@Toprawa>	I see value in it helping to spruce up these articles, when people do bother to review the,m [11/04/12 01:45:12] <@Toprawa>	I think that's a worthy enough advantage [11/04/12 01:45:15] <@ecks>	There are outstanding objections from *March 20* [11/04/12 01:45:19] <@Menkooroo>	But with our membership down, we oughtta keep reviewing focused on the FAN page [11/04/12 01:45:28] <@Menkooroo>	I think Elomin has some outstanding objections from last December? [11/04/12 01:45:35] <@ecks>	Probably [11/04/12 01:45:36] <@Menkooroo>	or is that the March 20 one? [11/04/12 01:45:54] <@Toprawa>	Those articles should be killed, then [11/04/12 01:46:02] <@ecks>	Dagon Niriz has objections from over a year ago [11/04/12 01:46:05] <@Toprawa>	Maybe we need to create a system to expedite their removal? [11/04/12 01:46:12] <@Toprawa>	While still keeping the page around [11/04/12 01:46:14] <@Menkooroo>	We can probe them [11/04/12 01:46:17] <@ecks>	There is a system, yeah [11/04/12 01:46:22] <@ecks>	If they get voted off the page, they're probed [11/04/12 01:46:26] <@Menkooroo>	And then they get removed from the RFAN page during post-meeting paperwork [11/04/12 01:46:34] <@Menkooroo>	We can vote them off by probing them at a meeting [11/04/12 01:46:41] <@Menkooroo>	We could do that right now [11/04/12 01:46:53] <@Toprawa>	That's fine, but that doesn't preclude removing the entire RFAN page, is what I'm saying. [11/04/12 01:47:01] <@Menkooroo>	yeah [11/04/12 01:47:11] <@Toprawa>	If we want to handle these outstanding articles, I'm all for that [11/04/12 01:47:21] <@Menkooroo>	OK [11/04/12 01:47:28] <@Menkooroo>	Dagon Niriz objections: [11/04/12 01:47:34] <@Menkooroo>	Green Tentacle: [11/04/12 01:47:38] <@Menkooroo>	"The Empire of the Hand" has a lot of speculation. [11/04/12 01:47:42] <@Menkooroo>	First paragraph of BTS gets a little rambly and could probably be written more succinctly. Green Tentacle (Talk) 19:36, October 9, 2011 (UTC) [11/04/12 01:47:51] <@Menkooroo>	I vote probe based on year-old objections [11/04/12 01:47:53] <@Toprawa>	Probe. [11/04/12 01:47:57] <@GreenTentacle>	Probe [11/04/12 01:48:03] <@ecks>	Probe [11/04/12 01:48:08] <@GreenTentacle>	A lot of that speculation was in Parck too. [11/04/12 01:48:11] <@Menkooroo>	Dagon Niriz probed [11/04/12 01:48:29] <@Menkooroo>	Atton Rand, who we already spared, is on the chopping block again! [11/04/12 01:48:30] <@GreenTentacle>	Looks like I've got another article to adopt. [11/04/12 01:48:35] <@Menkooroo>	Jujiggum [11/04/12 01:48:39] <@Menkooroo>	Plethora of wording/grammar mistakes: incorrect tense, poor sentence formation, speculative wording, and POV wording [11/04/12 01:48:44] <@Menkooroo>	A lot of missing context [11/04/12 01:48:46] <@Toprawa>	Are we still on the system for five Inq votes needed for removal on RFAN? [11/04/12 01:48:48] <@Menkooroo>	etc etc [11/04/12 01:48:50] <@Menkooroo>	three [11/04/12 01:48:54] <@Toprawa>	Ok [11/04/12 01:49:00] <@ecks>	Probe [11/04/12 01:49:02] <@Menkooroo>	if we probe now, it accomplishes the same as removing [11/04/12 01:49:06] <@Menkooroo>	Probe Atton [11/04/12 01:49:11] <@GreenTentacle>	Probe [11/04/12 01:49:11] <@Menkooroo>	Not so safe after all! [11/04/12 01:49:16] <@Toprawa>	I just voted for Atton. :P [11/04/12 01:49:19] <@Toprawa>	Either way. :P [11/04/12 01:49:20] <@Menkooroo>	Atton probed [11/04/12 01:49:29] <@Menkooroo>	btw Great Sith War is on the RFAN page [11/04/12 01:49:37] <@Menkooroo>	so whoever is on paperwork should remove it, too [11/04/12 01:49:45] *	@Toprawa hopes it not him! [11/04/12 01:49:48] <@ecks>	That is not me [11/04/12 01:49:50] <@ecks>	I did it last time [11/04/12 01:49:50] <@Menkooroo>	Callista Ming [11/04/12 01:49:53] *	@ecks sighs relieved [11/04/12 01:49:56] <@Menkooroo>	objections from May [11/04/12 01:49:59] <@Toprawa>	Kill [11/04/12 01:50:02] <@ecks>	Kill [11/04/12 01:50:12] <@GreenTentacle>	Probe [11/04/12 01:50:15] <@Menkooroo>	Just go here http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/RFAN#Callista_Ming [11/04/12 01:50:17] <@Menkooroo>	probe [11/04/12 01:50:35] <@Menkooroo>	Elom [11/04/12 01:50:36] <@Menkooroo>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/RFAN#Elom [11/04/12 01:50:36] <@Toprawa>	Kill = Probe :P [11/04/12 01:50:40] <@Menkooroo>	objections from last December [11/04/12 01:50:42] <@Toprawa>	Probe [11/04/12 01:50:43] <@Menkooroo>	kill-probe! [11/04/12 01:50:46] <@GreenTentacle>	Probe [11/04/12 01:51:11] <@Menkooroo>	Elom probed. [11/04/12 01:51:20] <@Menkooroo>	That's all, save for Great Sith War [11/04/12 01:51:27] <@Menkooroo>	which we're already probing [11/04/12 01:51:35] <@Menkooroo>	paperwork boy, remember to remove all those from the RFAN page [11/04/12 01:51:49] <@Menkooroo>	so we won't try to kill the RFAN page --- but we did just clean it up. [11/04/12 01:51:57] <@Toprawa>	Oh, that reminds me. [11/04/12 01:51:58] <@Menkooroo>	!yay [11/04/12 01:51:58] <@Nuku-Nuku>	Meh. [11/04/12 01:52:03] <@Menkooroo>	Go for it. [11/04/12 01:52:05] <@Toprawa>	Did we want to officially ratify this? http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Inquisitorius_bylaws [11/04/12 01:52:36] <@Menkooroo>	Didn'tu want to write up some additional bylaws first? [11/04/12 01:52:40] <@Toprawa>	Floyd is on paperwork, also, for the record. :P [11/04/12 01:52:48] <@Toprawa>	I didn't have any other in mind, but I could, sure :P [11/04/12 01:52:59] <@Toprawa>	I'll get back on that, then [11/04/12 01:53:03] <@Menkooroo>	I'll vote to ratify that chart, anyway [11/04/12 01:53:08] <@ecks>	yeah [11/04/12 01:53:08] <@Menkooroo>	KEEP [11/04/12 01:53:10] <@ecks>	chart is good [11/04/12 01:53:11] <@Menkooroo>	or... support [11/04/12 01:53:13] <@Menkooroo>	or something [11/04/12 01:53:26] <@Toprawa>	Also. [11/04/12 01:53:29] <@Toprawa>	Now that I see it. [11/04/12 01:53:35] <@Toprawa>	Menk, do you want to just take paperwork for next meeting? [11/04/12 01:53:41] <@Toprawa>	Since Jugs is inactive. [11/04/12 01:53:43] <@Toprawa>	We can just slide everyone up. [11/04/12 01:53:45] <@Menkooroo>	Sure [11/04/12 01:53:49] <@Toprawa>	Put Jugs at the end for now [11/04/12 01:54:00] <@Toprawa>	Ok [11/04/12 02:02:37] <@Toprawa>	Cav schedules next meeting. [11/04/12 02:02:38] <@Menkooroo>	Floyd is on paperwork [11/04/12 02:02:45] <@Menkooroo>	Ecks, you'll e-mail him the log? [11/04/12 02:03:35] <@ecks>	sure [11/04/12 02:03:39] <@Menkooroo>	Great, thanks [11/04/12 02:03:41] <@Toprawa>	GT, are you ok with scheduling the next meeting after Cav? [11/04/12 02:03:43] <@Menkooroo>	Thanks for coming, everyone [11/04/12 02:03:46] <@Toprawa>	Then we'll slide everyone up and push Jugs back [11/04/12 02:05:25] <@Toprawa>	Well, I'll just assume yes for now. :P [11/04/12 02:05:38] <@Menkooroo>	Go drink, everyone [11/04/12 02:05:51] <@Menkooroo>	Maybe not me... it's 9 AM [11/04/12 02:06:08] <@Menkooroo>	See ya at the Mofference