Wookieepedia:Meetings/Log/2006 December 8

[2006-12-08 17:58:01]  When is the Mofference? I saw on the Sitenotice that there was going to be one. [2006-12-08 17:58:08] 2 mins [2006-12-08 17:58:10]  2 minutes [2006-12-08 17:58:10]  in abou 2 minutes [2006-12-08 17:58:19]  Okay, that makes sense. [2006-12-08 17:58:42]  I'm thinking about having similar meetings for Star Wars Fanon on the swfanon channel [2006-12-08 17:58:54]  yay! [2006-12-08 17:58:54]  i get to eat cake 4 dinner [2006-12-08 17:59:00]  does anyone want pizza? [2006-12-08 17:59:03]  i brought some [2006-12-08 17:59:05]  finally, that channel will get used :P [2006-12-08 17:59:11]  Its a smaller community, and can usually fit in an IRC channel without lagging [2006-12-08 17:59:49]  5 seconds [2006-12-08 18:00:01]  GHe, you can offer ideas on swfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Using_the_IRC [2006-12-08 18:00:02] =-= GHe has changed the topic to ``Word of the day: unnavigatable | Wookieepedia: The Star Wars Wiki (http://starwars.wikia.com) - Site status: "Don't worry, she'll hold together." | Channel status: "There isn't enough life on this ice cube to fill a space cruiser." | Next Mofference: Right about now... | Quotes: http://qdb.lucidfox.org | Context is for sissies'' [2006-12-08 18:00:27] =-= Cull|Passed_Out is now known as Cull_Tremayne [2006-12-08 18:00:28]  awww, 4 seconds late :( [2006-12-08 18:00:33]  *devours pie* [2006-12-08 18:00:43]  Nooooo! :P [2006-12-08 18:00:44] <AceofAces20> have we started? the off-key clock is chiming 5 [2006-12-08 18:00:44] <C3POtheD> Always next time *wink* [2006-12-08 18:00:57] <Jaymach> I believe it's time to say "I bid you all dark greetings!" [2006-12-08 18:01:00] -->| Riffsyphon1024 (i=46958a56@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-7588ded8a2f00c06) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:01:01] <AceofAces20> not the pie again... [2006-12-08 18:01:01] <C3POtheD> I suppose so. [2006-12-08 18:01:03] <RoronCorobb> laaame [2006-12-08 18:01:07] <Riffsyphon1024> hello all, mofference time> [2006-12-08 18:01:09] <Riffsyphon1024> ? [2006-12-08 18:01:12] <Jaymach> oh sure...arrive after I bid everyone dark greetings :P [2006-12-08 18:01:15] <Ineedaname> Glove of Darth Vader is underrated [2006-12-08 18:01:15] <Cull_Tremayne> Please no more food references. [2006-12-08 18:01:17] <AceofAces20> YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11 [2006-12-08 18:01:18] <C3POtheD> Mofferencing [2006-12-08 18:01:26] =-= Mode #wookieepedia +vv GHe FoxOnFire by ChanServ [2006-12-08 18:01:30] <Herbsewell> wowww. [2006-12-08 18:01:54] <Jaymach> so the first issue on the agenda was one done by Darth_Culator...who isn't here it seems [2006-12-08 18:01:56] <Riffsyphon1024> just waiting for the first topic [2006-12-08 18:02:11] <Xwing328> Good one, Culator [2006-12-08 18:02:18] -->| Nightmare (i=d166f384@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-b84b0dc30eb20fc4) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:02:19] <Jaymach> we were to discuss the usefulness of nominating a single article for constant vandalism [2006-12-08 18:02:19] <Riffsyphon1024> he's here but not in front of the comp apparently [2006-12-08 18:02:20] -->| LucidFox (n=LucidFox@84.237.120.114) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:02:29] <Riffsyphon1024> give examples [2006-12-08 18:02:29] <Jaymach> to defer vandals from vandalising anything else [2006-12-08 18:02:31] <Nightmare> Oh, is the mofference on now? [2006-12-08 18:02:36] <AceofAces20> yes [2006-12-08 18:02:37] <LucidFox> I think it is [2006-12-08 18:02:37] <Jaymach> it is indeed [2006-12-08 18:02:39] <Nightmare> What's the topic [2006-12-08 18:02:41] <Nightmare> ? [2006-12-08 18:02:50] <Jaymach> I just said :P [2006-12-08 18:02:50] <Redemption> I love how people pay attention... [2006-12-08 18:02:52] <Riffsyphon1024> jaymach just said [2006-12-08 18:02:52] <Jaymach> we were to discuss the usefulness of nominating a single article for constant vandalism [2006-12-08 18:02:53] <Ineedaname> We're seriously considering that? :P [2006-12-08 18:02:55] =-= LucidFox has changed the topic to ``Mofference is on'' [2006-12-08 18:02:56] Morrerence [2006-12-08 18:02:59] <Jaymach> to defer vandals from vandalising anything else [2006-12-08 18:03:02] <Cull_Tremayne> (Redemption): Beat me to it. :P [2006-12-08 18:03:04] <Xwing328> I think the Endor Chicken would be rather hilarious, but would it prevent or cause more vangalism? [2006-12-08 18:03:10] <Riffsyphon1024> and i asked to give example [2006-12-08 18:03:11] <Jaymach> I don't like it personally, but DC does [2006-12-08 18:03:13] <AceofAces20> don't know [2006-12-08 18:03:14] <SillyDan> cause more [2006-12-08 18:03:20] <SillyDan> I'm against it [2006-12-08 18:03:20] <Nightmare> Ha, Endor Chicken [2006-12-08 18:03:23] <GHe> somebody should update the sitenotice [2006-12-08 18:03:30] <LucidFox> please excuse my slightly sleepy state - I had almost no sleep in these five hours, but a lot of dreams [2006-12-08 18:03:31] <Jaymach> I'm personally against telling them about the Wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:03:40] <C3POtheD> Endor Chicken? [2006-12-08 18:03:44] <Jaymach> perhaps if they come to the site and start demanding it, �THEN� we could start considering it [2006-12-08 18:03:51] <LucidFox> I'll change the sitenotice [2006-12-08 18:03:56] <Riffsyphon1024> btw, off topic but has wikia got the images working again today? [2006-12-08 18:03:56] <Herbsewell> why would somone vandalize that? [2006-12-08 18:03:59] <Jaymach> but if we tell them they can vandalise the Endor chicken article, I feel that it'll invite more vandals to the site [2006-12-08 18:04:05] <RoronCorobb> true [2006-12-08 18:04:13] <GHe> wikia images seem to be working now [2006-12-08 18:04:16] <Jaymach> the site is located at http://www.everytopicintheuniverseexceptchickens.com/ [2006-12-08 18:04:16] <Cull_Tremayne> I think it's a stupid idea to be honest. [2006-12-08 18:04:19] <Riffsyphon1024> ok [2006-12-08 18:04:19] <Jaymach> just so everyone knows [2006-12-08 18:04:22] <RoronCorobb> im against it [2006-12-08 18:04:26] It's on the agenda [2006-12-08 18:04:40] <Xwing328> My vote - Oppose [2006-12-08 18:04:51] <RoronCorobb> Oppose [2006-12-08 18:04:53] <Jaymach> is there anyone in here currently that thinks it's a good idea at all? [2006-12-08 18:04:57] <C3POtheD> Any vandal can do whatever they want to any unprotected wiki article. It just can be easily reverted and the vandal won't last very long [2006-12-08 18:04:58] <Redemption> It's an idiotic idea [2006-12-08 18:05:03] <Herbsewell> no comment...wait...Oppose [2006-12-08 18:05:06] <Riffsyphon1024> seems everyone's against it [2006-12-08 18:05:09] =-= Mode #wookieepedia +oo Riffsyphon1024 LucidFox by ChanServ [2006-12-08 18:05:14] <Ineedaname> Oppose [2006-12-08 18:05:16] <AceofAces20> i don't care as long as vandals stay away from my fave pages [2006-12-08 18:05:20] <Riffsyphon1024> thank you chan [2006-12-08 18:05:21] <Redemption> The purpose of vandals is to disrupt the flow of information. Giving them an article won't satisfy their lsut [2006-12-08 18:05:24] <Redemption> *lust [2006-12-08 18:05:32] <Herbsewell> Why do people put topics just to fill out space [2006-12-08 18:05:51] <Jaymach> Culator actually wanted to seriously consider it, I believe [2006-12-08 18:05:51] <Riffsyphon1024> right, no need to give them something to play with, except the jundland wastes [2006-12-08 18:05:58] Jimbo Wales is fictional - waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! [2006-12-08 18:06:05] <Riffsyphon1024> he is? [2006-12-08 18:06:08] <Jaymach> but there doesn't seem to be any support, so I say that we don't go for the idea at least as of yet [2006-12-08 18:06:20] <SillyDan> leon, stay on topic or leave [2006-12-08 18:06:20] No [2006-12-08 18:06:22] <Redemption> How about as of never [2006-12-08 18:06:28] <Jaymach> if they come to the site and start demanding it, we can always reconsider [2006-12-08 18:06:35] <LucidFox> Jimbo Wales isn't fictional [2006-12-08 18:06:36] <AceofAces20> true [2006-12-08 18:06:37] <Cull_Tremayne> Give me a break, It's not like all vandals are allied or something. [2006-12-08 18:06:37] <Redemption> Who is "they"? [2006-12-08 18:06:39] <Riffsyphon1024> let them demand it first [2006-12-08 18:06:44] it's on everytopicintheuniverseexceptchickens thing [2006-12-08 18:06:47] -->| Atarumaster88 (i=80c24284@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-825803d6d8b63499) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:06:48] sorry [2006-12-08 18:06:48] <Jaymach> "they" would be the members of the site [2006-12-08 18:06:57] <LucidFox> the Endor Chicken thing is stupid [2006-12-08 18:06:58] =-= Atarumaster88 is now known as Ataru [2006-12-08 18:07:00] <Redemption> Aren't "we" members of the site? [2006-12-08 18:07:00] <Riffsyphon1024> if we get slashdotted again, they might be collective [2006-12-08 18:07:02] <C3POtheD> I think saying that vandals can do whatever to any article will not give them satisfaction. It is in the fact that they shouldn't be doing vandalism that they do it. [2006-12-08 18:07:07] <Jaymach> http://www.everytopicintheuniverseexceptchickens.com/ [2006-12-08 18:07:07] <LucidFox> as is the whole "chicken vandalism" thing [2006-12-08 18:07:07] <Jaymach> that site [2006-12-08 18:07:20] <Nightmare> I still don't understand this [2006-12-08 18:07:23] <Redemption> Since when does that site run the show? [2006-12-08 18:07:25] <LucidFox> Riffsyphon1024> we have http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Template:High-traffic [2006-12-08 18:07:28] <Cull_Tremayne> Let's skip that topic, since Culator isn't here to defend it. [2006-12-08 18:07:29] <Ataru> Is this a real topic? [2006-12-08 18:07:33] <Riffsyphon1024> next topic [2006-12-08 18:07:35] <Redemption> I really hope it isn't. [2006-12-08 18:07:37] <Nightmare> Yes [2006-12-08 18:07:39] <LucidFox> Cull_Tremayne> good idea [2006-12-08 18:07:42] <Jaymach> it doesn't, but I'm not saying that we accept it if they demand it [2006-12-08 18:07:45] <Nightmare> New topic [2006-12-08 18:07:48] <RoronCorobb> actually using requested images [2006-12-08 18:07:48] <Jaymach> just that we can discuss it again if and when they do [2006-12-08 18:07:52] <Jaymach> as there's currently no support for it [2006-12-08 18:07:54] Lets move away from this chicken thing it's confusing [2006-12-08 18:07:55] <AceofAces20> new topic [2006-12-08 18:07:59] <Redemption> We shouldn't even consider giving into vandal demands! [2006-12-08 18:08:00] <Riffsyphon1024> hold off until culator returns [2006-12-08 18:08:21] <Ataru> vandals do not deserve consideration [2006-12-08 18:08:25] <Jaymach> so we'll move on to the next topic, anyway [2006-12-08 18:08:27] <RoronCorobb> next topic...using requested images and requested articles [2006-12-08 18:08:29] <Cull_Tremayne> Maybe if there actually was a Vandal society so to speak. [2006-12-08 18:08:34] <Cull_Tremayne> But since there isn't. [2006-12-08 18:08:36] <Jaymach> the next one was posted by Havac [2006-12-08 18:08:37] <Jaymach> "Getting people to actually use the Requested Articles/Requested Images/Improvement Drive/etc., or else abandoning them entirely. Currently they're nearly useless" [2006-12-08 18:08:46] <RoronCorobb> yeah [2006-12-08 18:08:48] <Ataru> I'm on IDrive. [2006-12-08 18:08:55] <Xwing328> I've had one or two good things come out of them [2006-12-08 18:08:56] <Ataru> So is breathesgelatin [2006-12-08 18:08:58] <Herbsewell> what do we do with useless templates? [2006-12-08 18:09:03] <Jaymach> I work on Requested Images every so often [2006-12-08 18:09:05] <Riffsyphon1024> people do post ideas still, yet we have a majority of what people are looking for now [2006-12-08 18:09:05] <Cull_Tremayne> I'd say that it's a necessary thing, that shouldn't be affected by how often they are used. [2006-12-08 18:09:15] <Xwing328> Ditto [2006-12-08 18:09:16] <Ataru> I'd say vfd useless Templates, Herbsewell [2006-12-08 18:09:17] <Jaymach> but if we need to get more people working on them, does anyone have any ideas on how to? [2006-12-08 18:09:30] <Ataru> beat people who refuse to help :-P [2006-12-08 18:09:31] <Redemption> Put it on the main page? [2006-12-08 18:09:37] <Riffsyphon1024> first figure out who wouldnt mind doing just that [2006-12-08 18:09:40] <Cull_Tremayne> It is, sort of. [2006-12-08 18:09:42] -->| Jack_Nebulax (i=445319ce@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-44f844f1102e2c3a) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:09:45] <AceofAces20> Ataru: That'll work... [2006-12-08 18:09:46] <Jaymach> the IDrive is already on the main page [2006-12-08 18:09:56] <C3POtheD> Wookieepedia isn't a high-traffic site???? [2006-12-08 18:09:58] <Jaymach> Requested Articles/Images are not though [2006-12-08 18:10:02] <Cull_Tremayne> And the requested articles has a link on the front page. [2006-12-08 18:10:07] <Riffsyphon1024> its high traffic compared to other wikis [2006-12-08 18:10:08] <LucidFox> not as high-traffic as Slashdot [2006-12-08 18:10:09] <Jaymach> it does? [2006-12-08 18:10:28] <Ataru> I haven't seen Requested Articles/Images too much. If I need an image, I usually ask Jaymach or Redemption [2006-12-08 18:10:28] <Riffsyphon1024> minus wikipedia or course [2006-12-08 18:10:31] <Redemption> To tell you the truth, I wouldn't be able to tell what the IDrive is. It's so small and so low on the page [2006-12-08 18:10:41] <Jaymach> we currently get 2x the amount of traffic as Uncyclopedia, and 2.88x the traffic of Memory-Alpha [2006-12-08 18:10:42] <Cull_Tremayne> Under the Navigation header. [2006-12-08 18:10:55] <Riffsyphon1024> what if someone else needs an image, its helped me find an image of the death star tractor beam [2006-12-08 18:10:59] <Ataru> It's a decent size, IDrive is- right next to WOTM [2006-12-08 18:11:13] <Cull_Tremayne> We're not talking about IDrive I don't think. [2006-12-08 18:11:20] <Jaymach> we are, among others [2006-12-08 18:11:24] <Riffsyphon1024> yes [2006-12-08 18:11:28] <Cull_Tremayne> Well then... :P [2006-12-08 18:11:30] <Jaymach> the IDrive, and Requested Images/Articles [2006-12-08 18:11:31] <SillyDan> maybe if we had multiple drives [2006-12-08 18:11:32] <Redemption> I still can't see it when I load up the main page [2006-12-08 18:11:39] <RoronCorobb> if we wanna get more people to use requested articles and IDrive and such maybe we need more users [2006-12-08 18:11:39] <Ataru> We should probably place requested images on the main page [2006-12-08 18:11:40] <LucidFox> and Peer Review [2006-12-08 18:11:44] -->| JainaSolo (i=4571a92f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-07531703f74a244d) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:11:53] <Jaymach> Peer Review isn't until later, Sikon :P [2006-12-08 18:11:55] <SillyDan> "character article to improve", "fleet junkie article to improve", etc. [2006-12-08 18:12:08] <Cull_Tremayne> I think that was brought up before. [2006-12-08 18:12:09] <Jaymach> we could do that, yes [2006-12-08 18:12:12] <Riffsyphon1024> ID way at the bottom [2006-12-08 18:12:12] <Ataru> SD: bad idea. We don't want to factionalize the community [2006-12-08 18:12:13] <Jaymach> it was brought up before [2006-12-08 18:12:16] <Nightmare> How about putting up a link the the requested artical section near the top of the main page, at least until more people use it? [2006-12-08 18:12:17] <Jaymach> nobody did anything about it [2006-12-08 18:12:21] <Riffsyphon1024> ah, i like, silly dan [2006-12-08 18:12:29] <Ataru> IMHO, better to have one IDrive than a bunch of little ones [2006-12-08 18:12:32] <Cull_Tremayne> And, it was rejected since ID is barely used anyway. [2006-12-08 18:12:35] <Jaymach> �03�(��Ataru�03�)��: it wouldn't necessarily factionalize the community [2006-12-08 18:12:37] <Ataru> That's what WookieeProjects ar for [2006-12-08 18:12:44] <Jaymach> people are generally more interested in certain areas [2006-12-08 18:12:47] <Riffsyphon1024> isnt that why we're categorizing users for though? [2006-12-08 18:12:58] <Riffsyphon1024> category:fleet junkies? [2006-12-08 18:13:12] <Ataru> That's why we use WookieeProjects. IDrive is one big community effort, the way I see it. There could be a WookieeProject: Ships and fleet stuff [2006-12-08 18:13:20] <Cull_Tremayne> I agree that if it's split up, we'll get more people working on it. [2006-12-08 18:13:25] <Riffsyphon1024> but not everyone finds the wookieeprojects [2006-12-08 18:13:30] <Xwing328> I gtg...have fun! [2006-12-08 18:13:33] |<-- Xwing328 has left irc.freenode.net ("Leaving") [2006-12-08 18:13:34] <Riffsyphon1024> later [2006-12-08 18:13:35] <Jaymach> I don't necessarily think we'll get more people working on it [2006-12-08 18:13:41] <Ataru> Put links to a master WookieeProject page on the main page? [2006-12-08 18:13:46] <Riffsyphon1024> theyre out there though [2006-12-08 18:13:49] <Jaymach> just that we'll get more interest in it, as each type of member would have their area in it [2006-12-08 18:14:03] <Riffsyphon1024> we can have specialists [2006-12-08 18:14:08] <Nightmare> That would be cool [2006-12-08 18:14:12] <Ataru> Wasn't that mentioned in a CT by Fourdot? [2006-12-08 18:14:24] <Ataru> A source-based awards or something like that? [2006-12-08 18:14:28] <Riffsyphon1024> those people can check the authencity of incoming articles in their speciality also [2006-12-08 18:14:41] <RoronCorobb> that would be cool [2006-12-08 18:14:51] <Riffsyphon1024> but yea we could make a master project page [2006-12-08 18:15:00] <Cull_Tremayne> The source-based awards are kind of ludicrous I think. [2006-12-08 18:15:04] <Jack_Nebulax> Got to get going... [2006-12-08 18:15:04] |<-- C3POtheD has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 18:15:08] <--| Jack_Nebulax has left #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:15:09] <Nightmare> Yeah [2006-12-08 18:15:23] <Ataru> I'm thinking a Master project page would be a good idea- like Category:WookieeProjects [2006-12-08 18:15:28] <Cull_Tremayne> But I agree with Jaymach, we'll definitely get more interest if it's split up. [2006-12-08 18:15:33] <Ataru> But not a bunch of mini IDrives. [2006-12-08 18:15:33] <RoronCorobb> yes [2006-12-08 18:15:37] <Riffsyphon1024> source based awards are unofficial, i dont think it hurts to name yourself Mr. Holiday Special though [2006-12-08 18:15:45] -->| GreenTentacle (i=52247f13@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-caf9deba3b3ef821) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:16:06] <Cull_Tremayne> Yes, but then only informally. If it's an appointed position, it could get messy. [2006-12-08 18:16:19] <Riffsyphon1024> thats why we leave officiality out of it [2006-12-08 18:16:27] <Cull_Tremayne> I agree with that then. [2006-12-08 18:16:34] <RoronCorobb> more than one person would wanna be Mr. Boba Fett [2006-12-08 18:16:37] <Riffsyphon1024> would you end up calling me Mr. Founder? [2006-12-08 18:16:46] <LucidFox> heh [2006-12-08 18:16:48] <Cull_Tremayne> I was referring to 4 dot's suggestion that we appoint Mr. (some expertise). [2006-12-08 18:16:52] <Riffsyphon1024> but thats not right, because Chad (WhiteBoy) is the other founder [2006-12-08 18:17:10] <Ataru> Riff: Can we do Item 13 next? I have to go soon, and if I'm not here, it won't be discussed much, IMO [2006-12-08 18:17:21] <Riffsyphon1024> Item 13 is what? [2006-12-08 18:17:21] -->| groodehdoge (i=48e62854@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-520cd94af9700926) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:17:21] |<-- JainaSolo has left irc.freenode.net (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [2006-12-08 18:17:24] -->| JainaSolo (i=4571a92f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-6e0d3ee00ba61437) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:17:33] <Cull_Tremayne> Or Mr. Fuhrer? It would save the vandals some time. :P [2006-12-08 18:17:33] <Ataru> Award proposals [2006-12-08 18:17:47] <LucidFox> JainaSolo, I suggest you get a proper IRC client [2006-12-08 18:17:48] <Riffsyphon1024> official awards [2006-12-08 18:17:48] <Jaymach> Item 13 is "Standardization of Wookieepedia:Award Proposals procedure. I'd like to see something like the current FA nom procedure." [2006-12-08 18:17:52] <Jaymach> posted by Ataru there [2006-12-08 18:17:55] <Ataru> and standardizing some procedures for them [2006-12-08 18:17:56] -->| Listener (i=d8b980c8@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-be58360a34dde986) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:18:02] <Nightmare> Award proposals? I think that we should have a set vote number [2006-12-08 18:18:10] <RoronCorobb> like 5 or 10 [2006-12-08 18:18:15] * Jaymach thinks we should close the previous topic first :P [2006-12-08 18:18:16] <Riffsyphon1024> some of those awards have been sitting there for over a year [2006-12-08 18:18:17] <JainaSolo> Yeah, I should. [2006-12-08 18:18:18] =-= LucidFox has changed the topic to ``Mofference is on | Topic: "Standardization of Wookieepedia:Award Proposals procedure. I'd like to see something like the current FA nom procedure."'' [2006-12-08 18:18:36] <SillyDan> Nightmare: similar to the userbox procedure, you mean? [2006-12-08 18:18:44] <Ataru> I'd want something like that, yes [2006-12-08 18:18:47] <Riffsyphon1024> frankly noone participates as much as say Quote of the Day [2006-12-08 18:18:50] <Nightmare> Huh? [2006-12-08 18:19:09] =-= Cull_Tremayne is now known as Cull|Away [2006-12-08 18:19:18] <SillyDan> Nightmare: check Wookieepedia:Userbox proposal [2006-12-08 18:19:20] <Jaymach> I have to say that I don't truly care about the awards one way or another...I'm sure some people are proud of achieving them, but I don't personally care [2006-12-08 18:19:32] <Jaymach> I quite like just contributing, and if I get an award for it then so be it [2006-12-08 18:19:32] <AceofAces20> k im back [2006-12-08 18:19:32] <LucidFox> neither do I, Jaymach [2006-12-08 18:19:36] -->| LEgo234 (i=cfc87442@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-b1bcb342696afbd8) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:19:40] <Riffsyphon1024> you know, Jay, it was technically my idea to start them [2006-12-08 18:19:53] <Nightmare> How about...every month, which ever award has the most votes(AND makes sense) can be accepted? [2006-12-08 18:19:55] -->| Atarumaster88 (i=80c24284@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-73527cbc9a2d40fe) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:19:56] |<-- Ataru has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 18:19:57] <LucidFox> I don't understand how the award system works currently [2006-12-08 18:20:01] <LEgo234> �01�04DFWEDSFEWR [2006-12-08 18:20:05] <Jaymach> the award system doesn't really :P [2006-12-08 18:20:07] <Atarumaster88> Well, I just want a standard method of approving one [2006-12-08 18:20:16] <Riffsyphon1024> not that I go out my way to receive one of them, but it promotes overall better attitudes on the wiki [2006-12-08 18:20:18] |<-- LEgo234 has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 18:20:28] <Atarumaster88> I mean, some people format theirs like Userbox proposals, and some just throw them up there. [2006-12-08 18:20:29] whats 'DFWEDSFEWR'? [2006-12-08 18:20:34] <Jaymach> there's not really a way of nominating someone for an award [2006-12-08 18:20:34] <RoronCorobb> idk [2006-12-08 18:20:37] <Jaymach> people just give them out [2006-12-08 18:20:45] <Atarumaster88> Jaymach: Making awards, not giving them out [2006-12-08 18:20:49] <Jaymach> ah [2006-12-08 18:20:49] -->| Adamwankenobi (i=0c24eb2e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-4f06642dd13d0c10) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:20:53] -->| dartht (i=18465fcb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-bd620dddf7119d3d) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:20:59] |<-- groodehdoge has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 18:21:04] <Riffsyphon1024> yea Jay, its the formation process that is the problem [2006-12-08 18:21:07] <Atarumaster88> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Award Proposals [2006-12-08 18:21:09] <Jaymach> the current situation seems to be putting them on the Award proposal page, and then having them sit there for a year :P [2006-12-08 18:21:13] I think that people need to be appreciated for their contributions [2006-12-08 18:21:16] <Riffsyphon1024> underscore Ataru [2006-12-08 18:21:22] |<-- dartht has left irc.freenode.net (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [2006-12-08 18:21:26] <Atarumaster88> http://starwars.wikia.com/Wookieepedia:Award_Proposals [2006-12-08 18:21:30] <Atarumaster88> Thanks Riff [2006-12-08 18:21:32] =-= Atarumaster88 is now known as Ataru [2006-12-08 18:21:47] <LucidFox> Jaymach> well, on Uncyclopedia, it's left to the users' discretion - they just give away awards to everyone they deem worthy [2006-12-08 18:21:55] <LucidFox> (some awards are reserved for admins, though) [2006-12-08 18:21:58] <Riffsyphon1024> can we go through those that need to be cycled through now? [2006-12-08 18:22:05] <Ataru> Like I said, it's the procedure for making them that is out of whack [2006-12-08 18:22:07] <Ataru> Sure Riff [2006-12-08 18:22:29] <Ataru> Here's a better link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/WP:AP [2006-12-08 18:22:30] |<-- GreenTentacle has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 18:22:30] |<-- JainaSolo has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 18:22:40] <Ataru> The medals have just sat there [2006-12-08 18:22:43] <Riffsyphon1024> ok, the first set of medals [2006-12-08 18:23:09] <Ataru> I'd say too similar to Wookiee Cookiee and not as tasty [2006-12-08 18:23:12] <Riffsyphon1024> wasnt Eion's idea back when he was still here, but an IP [2006-12-08 18:23:16] <Adamwankenobi> mmmmmm... [2006-12-08 18:23:24] <Riffsyphon1024> tryed to make a name for it to no avail [2006-12-08 18:23:53] <Ataru> I'd say scratch it then [2006-12-08 18:23:56] <Riffsyphon1024> so maybe this concept should be destroyed [2006-12-08 18:24:08] * Ataru has two minutes until he has to log out [2006-12-08 18:24:08] <AceofAces20> hmm... [2006-12-08 18:24:13] <Ataru> Next [2006-12-08 18:24:16] <Nightmare> Yeah [2006-12-08 18:24:20] <Ataru> proposal [2006-12-08 18:24:20] <Riffsyphon1024> ill go through them tonight ataru [2006-12-08 18:24:27] <Ataru> Thanks Riff. [2006-12-08 18:24:35] <Riffsyphon1024> kill where i need to :) [2006-12-08 18:24:54] <AceofAces20> okay... [2006-12-08 18:24:57] <Ataru> This is why I wanted to have a standard procedure for proposing an award, so it's not so confusing to you! [2006-12-08 18:25:00] -->| Ozzel (i=44e1a25a@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-ad5cbef28e90948a) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:25:02] <Nightmare> Next topic [2006-12-08 18:25:03] |<-- Listener has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 18:25:05] <LucidFox> we have a relatively low participation today, don't we? [2006-12-08 18:25:09] <Riffsyphon1024> next topic them [2006-12-08 18:25:09] <Nightmare> YEah [2006-12-08 18:25:11] <Riffsyphon1024> then* [2006-12-08 18:25:13] <Ataru> It wasn't well publicized, Sikon [2006-12-08 18:25:22] <RoronCorobb> Hosting the winners of Design a Ship Contest [2006-12-08 18:25:26] <Nightmare> New topic [2006-12-08 18:25:27] <LucidFox> yes, no "remember, remeber" this time :) [2006-12-08 18:25:28] <Riffsyphon1024> to be honest, i forgot it was today, until today [2006-12-08 18:25:32] <AceofAces20> no rhyme like the Nov. one [2006-12-08 18:25:37] * Ataru is logging out [2006-12-08 18:25:38] * Jaymach coughs [2006-12-08 18:25:39] <SillyDan> now what's that about, this Design a Ship contest? [2006-12-08 18:25:39] <Ozzel> Sorry guys, I forgot until I saw it just now! [2006-12-08 18:25:40] <Nightmare> WHat contest? [2006-12-08 18:25:43] <--| Ataru has left #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:25:52] <Jaymach> the Design a Ship contest is something help over on the TF.N forums, as far as I'm aware [2006-12-08 18:25:53] <Nightmare> What contest? [2006-12-08 18:25:54] <Adamwankenobi> ditto to ozzel [2006-12-08 18:25:55] * leon2323 is leaving IRC altogether [2006-12-08 18:25:57] <GHe> "Remember, remember the 8th of December" :P [2006-12-08 18:26:05] |<-- leon2323 has left irc.freenode.net ("Chatzilla 0.9.77 [Firefox 1.5.0.8/2006102516]") [2006-12-08 18:26:06] =-= LucidFox has changed the topic to ``Mofference is on | Topic: "Hosting the winners of Design a Ship contest. - JustinGann"'' [2006-12-08 18:26:12] <Jaymach> it's not official in any regard [2006-12-08 18:26:17] <Riffsyphon1024> that would make them canon? [2006-12-08 18:26:23] <Jaymach> they aren't canon, no [2006-12-08 18:26:26] <SillyDan> then it goes on the fanon wiki. the end! 8) [2006-12-08 18:26:31] <Nightmare> Yay! [2006-12-08 18:26:33] <Riffsyphon1024> then we cant host the winners [2006-12-08 18:26:53] <Jaymach> I tried to get JustinGann in here to explain it better, but he doesn't seem to be responding [2006-12-08 18:27:04] <Nightmare> ect, ect, next topic [2006-12-08 18:27:08] <Jaymach> but I'm of the mind that we shouldn't do anything about it, also [2006-12-08 18:27:19] <Jaymach> it's not official in any regard, therefor not notable on the site [2006-12-08 18:27:23] <Riffsyphon1024> somebody kick justin [2006-12-08 18:27:24] <Nightmare> Yes [2006-12-08 18:27:33] |<-- AceofAces20 has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 18:27:44] <LucidFox> Riffsyphon1024> I don't see him here [2006-12-08 18:27:47] -->| Ac (i=46f7e220@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-ed114cdc731e7f92) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:27:54] |<-- Ac has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 18:28:04] <Nightmare> New topic now? [2006-12-08 18:28:11] <RoronCorobb> next topic: clarification of wookieepedians, defining humanoid and near human [2006-12-08 18:28:13] <Riffsyphon1024> yes [2006-12-08 18:28:28] <Riffsyphon1024> humanoid is similar in physique to a human being [2006-12-08 18:28:30] =-= LucidFox has changed the topic to ``Mofference is on | Topic: "Clarification for Wookieepedians: defining "humanoid" and "near-human." - JustinGann"'' [2006-12-08 18:28:32] <Ozzel> Near-human Wookieepedians? [2006-12-08 18:28:32] -->| AceofAces20 (i=46f7e220@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-593e4c7f45061d6e) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:28:40] <Riffsyphon1024> near-human looks like a human with trace detail differences [2006-12-08 18:28:43] <Jaymach> this is something that Justin and another Wookieepedian (I forgot which) had a fight about recently [2006-12-08 18:28:59] <Jaymach> they were arguing about species such as the Hapans [2006-12-08 18:29:08] <Riffsyphon1024> hapans are near-humans [2006-12-08 18:29:16] <Ineedaname> Rodtheanimegod4ever probably [2006-12-08 18:29:22] <Jaymach> that was the one [2006-12-08 18:29:23] <Nightmare> Humanoid is a species hold similar features to a human, such as walking on two legs, and sentience [2006-12-08 18:29:36] <Nightmare> Near Human is kinda the same thing [2006-12-08 18:29:38] |<-- RoronCorobb has left irc.freenode.net (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [2006-12-08 18:29:40] <Nightmare> I think [2006-12-08 18:29:43] -->| RoronCorobb (i=477355da@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-db7ac372c95da7d8) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:29:44] <Riffsyphon1024> does noone listen to me? [2006-12-08 18:29:46] <LucidFox> I think near-Human = genetically compatible with Human [2006-12-08 18:30:01] <LucidFox> capable of producing offspring [2006-12-08 18:30:06] <Jaymach> another species which entered the argument was the Korun, I believe [2006-12-08 18:30:07] <Redemption> That is just speculation [2006-12-08 18:30:17] <Riffsyphon1024> korunnai are near-human [2006-12-08 18:30:20] <Jaymach> and the Kiffu [2006-12-08 18:30:25] <Riffsyphon1024> near-human [2006-12-08 18:30:36] <LucidFox> that, or if it was officially canonically deemed near-Human [2006-12-08 18:30:37] <Jaymach> *Kiffar, sorry [2006-12-08 18:30:45] <LucidFox> no other cases [2006-12-08 18:31:16] <Darth_Culator> The problem I see is less about defining near-human and more about separating a human subspecies from a species that looks human. [2006-12-08 18:31:24] <Nightmare> Yes [2006-12-08 18:31:25] <Jaymach> the argument seems to have taken place here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:List_of_sentient_races_and_species#Clarification:__What_is_a_Near-human [2006-12-08 18:31:26] <Riffsyphon1024> heres a small project i was working on regarding near-humans http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Riffsyphon1024/Near-Humans [2006-12-08 18:31:27] <LucidFox> I don't really think this is a question for a Mofference, though [2006-12-08 18:31:43] <Riffsyphon1024> note: its still incomplete [2006-12-08 18:31:45] <LucidFox> the arguments are just too lengthy for an IRC conversation [2006-12-08 18:31:47] <Darth_Culator> Like the difference between humans and Arkanians, not the difference between Corellians and Naboo. [2006-12-08 18:31:54] <LucidFox> and it's something best discussed on, say, TFN [2006-12-08 18:31:56] <AceofAces20> brb [2006-12-08 18:31:58] <Nightmare> Exactally [2006-12-08 18:32:00] <RoronCorobb> next topic? [2006-12-08 18:32:04] <Nightmare> Yes [2006-12-08 18:32:07] <LucidFox> yes [2006-12-08 18:32:15] -->| groodehdoge (i=48e62854@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-ffe593addde3b44a) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:32:22] <Riffsyphon1024> meh, next topic [2006-12-08 18:32:37] <Jaymach> the next is another by JustinGann [2006-12-08 18:32:37] <Nightmare> Please [2006-12-08 18:32:45] <Jaymach> "Conformity in user boxes (ie, what is the "species" category for in planet infoboxes)." [2006-12-08 18:32:52] <LucidFox> ... [2006-12-08 18:32:54] <Riffsyphon1024> sentients [2006-12-08 18:32:57] <Jaymach> I believe he meant infoboxes, rather than user boxes [2006-12-08 18:32:59] <Nightmare> Huh? [2006-12-08 18:33:15] <Nightmare> What is the point of this? [2006-12-08 18:33:17] =-= LucidFox has changed the topic to ``Mofference is on | Topic: "Conformity in user boxes (ie, what is the "species" category for in planet infoboxes). JustinGann"'' [2006-12-08 18:33:18] <Riffsyphon1024> non sentient creatures can be mentioned under fauna [2006-12-08 18:33:23] <Darth_Culator> Interjection: From now on, we shouldn't bring up a topic unless the person who posted it is actually here. [2006-12-08 18:33:30] <RoronCorobb> yes [2006-12-08 18:33:33] <Riffsyphon1024> hello darth [2006-12-08 18:33:33] <LucidFox> Darth_Culator> support [2006-12-08 18:33:35] <Jaymach> we currently do not have a fauna or flora section in the boxes [2006-12-08 18:33:35] <AceofAces20> yeah [2006-12-08 18:33:50] <Jaymach> though I've requested they be added previously [2006-12-08 18:33:51] <Riffsyphon1024> perhaps we should add one in favor of a paragraph or section [2006-12-08 18:33:54] <Darth_Culator> Then we put that section in. [2006-12-08 18:33:59] <LucidFox> Jaymach> then it should be added [2006-12-08 18:34:06] <Darth_Culator> Boxes are flexible for just that reason. [2006-12-08 18:34:11] <Nightmare> This is an internet encyclopedia, not a social club. Why should we care about personal things? IT's their page, let them do what they want with their account, as long as it isn't obscene [2006-12-08 18:34:15] -->| Sentry_ (i=1810e719@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-d5aaead6ac8450ae) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:34:23] <Riffsyphon1024> i support an add to the infobox template for flora and fauna [2006-12-08 18:34:30] <Adamwankenobi> As do I, [2006-12-08 18:34:34] <Ozzel> Me too. [2006-12-08 18:34:35] * LucidFox waves at Sentry_ [2006-12-08 18:34:41] <AceofAces20> me three [2006-12-08 18:34:58] -->| SolaBeat (i=54090d55@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-32e45a2e356f6d5e) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:35:03] <Ozzel> I was thinking about that just the other day in regards to Endor. [2006-12-08 18:35:07] <Jaymach> �03�(��Nightmare�03�)��: I believe he meant to say Infoboxes, rather than User boxes [2006-12-08 18:35:10] <Nightmare> K, next topic [2006-12-08 18:35:13] <Riffsyphon1024> endor has tons doesn't it? [2006-12-08 18:35:13] <Jaymach> it was an error in his topic title [2006-12-08 18:35:18] <Nightmare> Oh, sorry [2006-12-08 18:35:21] <Ozzel> TONS and tons. [2006-12-08 18:35:22] <Jaymach> Endor may have tons [2006-12-08 18:35:24] -->| Wookieeperial (n=wookiee@host81-155-34-26.range81-155.btcentralplus.com) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:35:31] <Riffsyphon1024> why should endor be so special? [2006-12-08 18:35:35] <Jaymach> several sources say that it only has 3 native species [2006-12-08 18:35:39] <LucidFox> so, should we skip all JustinGann topics? [2006-12-08 18:35:41] <Jaymach> the rest are apparantly imported [2006-12-08 18:35:50] <Riffsyphon1024> why? [2006-12-08 18:35:50] <Nightmare> Cause it has Ewoks. ^_^ [2006-12-08 18:36:07] <Wookieeperial> Well, technically, Ewoks could be non-native... [2006-12-08 18:36:09] <Riffsyphon1024> I'm all for Gorax [2006-12-08 18:36:18] <Wookieeperial> Perhaps three native *sentient* species could be meant [2006-12-08 18:36:21] <LucidFox> non-native? [2006-12-08 18:36:25] <Riffsyphon1024> thats what they meant [2006-12-08 18:36:30] * Wookieeperial points to Svivren [2006-12-08 18:36:32] <LucidFox> didn't Ewoks originate on Endor? [2006-12-08 18:36:35] <Jaymach> there's an unpublished piece of work that explains a lot of the native and imported species [2006-12-08 18:36:39] <Wookieeperial> Not neccessarily at all. [2006-12-08 18:36:43] * Darth_Culator thinks Ewoks are the lost ancient race that created Centerpoint and the Maw. [2006-12-08 18:36:46] <Jaymach> unfortunately I'm not allowed to divulge the information inside it [2006-12-08 18:36:51] <Riffsyphon1024> unpublished? as of when? [2006-12-08 18:36:59] <Riffsyphon1024> currently being written? [2006-12-08 18:37:02] <Wookieeperial> KJA wanted them to be a race bred as cute pets turned feral when a ship crashed... [2006-12-08 18:37:02] <Jaymach> no [2006-12-08 18:37:04] <LucidFox> well, you see [2006-12-08 18:37:09] <Jaymach> it was written long ago, but never published [2006-12-08 18:37:12] <Wookieeperial> However, we have: [2006-12-08 18:37:17] <Riffsyphon1024> cut content? [2006-12-08 18:37:23] <Darth_Culator> Jaymach excels at acquiring things like that. [2006-12-08 18:37:32] <Jaymach> kind of cut [2006-12-08 18:37:32] <LucidFox> I think a species should be considered native to a planet iff it has been there long enough for immigrants to consider them native [2006-12-08 18:37:34] <Riffsyphon1024> jay is the master of ambiguity [2006-12-08 18:37:43] <Jaymach> it was going to be published, but never was [2006-12-08 18:37:44] <AceofAces20> Good job jay [2006-12-08 18:37:47] <LucidFox> e. g. Gungans and Naboo [2006-12-08 18:37:54] <LucidFox> or Miraluka and Alpheridies [2006-12-08 18:37:57] <Nightmare> Isn't this a little off topic? [2006-12-08 18:38:03] <Riffsyphon1024> getting there [2006-12-08 18:38:05] <Wookieeperial> 1.) "A Rodian in Ewok's skin" - Mon Mothma describes Palpatine in a speech before the Battle of Yavin (_Farlander Papers_) [2006-12-08 18:38:12] <Jaymach> it is, sorry [2006-12-08 18:38:26] <Jaymach> well the CIS and Republic had a battle on the forest moon of Endor [2006-12-08 18:38:27] <Jaymach> :P [2006-12-08 18:38:32] <Riffsyphon1024> since when? [2006-12-08 18:38:35] <Wookieeperial> 2.) Ewoks listed first (non-alphabetically) among Svivren's non-native sentient communities in the HttESB, 9 ABY [2006-12-08 18:38:39] <Jaymach> it was in Clone Wars Adventures [2006-12-08 18:38:48] <Jaymach> but I believe that we should move on to the next topic [2006-12-08 18:38:51] <RoronCorobb> "Next topic: Standardizing the size for infobox and thumbnail pics" [2006-12-08 18:38:53] <Riffsyphon1024> that is new to me [2006-12-08 18:38:55] <LucidFox> Standardizing the size for infobox and thumbnail pics. There is a technical reason we need to set rules. -- Darth Culator (Talk)(TINC) 01:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC) [2006-12-08 18:38:58] -->| DarthOblivion (i=45a44942@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-6f549119b6eb213b) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:39:02] <LucidFox> thankfully, Culator is here [2006-12-08 18:39:02] <Riffsyphon1024> standard size 300px [2006-12-08 18:39:05] <Nightmare> Who...cares? Sorry, but can't this wait till after the mofference? [2006-12-08 18:39:07] <Redemption> 250px [2006-12-08 18:39:09] <Jaymach> �03�(��Darth_Culator�03�)��: want to handle this one? [2006-12-08 18:39:16] <Darth_Culator> Indeed. [2006-12-08 18:39:18] <Jaymach> seeing as it's your topic [2006-12-08 18:39:19] <RoronCorobb> i just put 275px to be fair [2006-12-08 18:39:31] <RoronCorobb> and 275 is my lucky number [2006-12-08 18:39:38] <DarthOblivion> What are we talking about [2006-12-08 18:39:41] <Nightmare> No, then the larger pictures won't work. [2006-12-08 18:39:44] <AceofAces20> i see [2006-12-08 18:39:45] <Darth_Culator> Basically, we need to assume that the lowest common denominator is using IE at 800x600. [2006-12-08 18:39:49] <LucidFox> haven't we held a CT discussion and agreed on 250px? [2006-12-08 18:39:55] <LucidFox> in infoboxes [2006-12-08 18:39:56] <Nightmare> sure [2006-12-08 18:39:59] <Riffsyphon1024> ive always used 300px which is best for me, you can see enough of the image and have space for the text below without taking up the entire screen [2006-12-08 18:39:59] <DarthOblivion> Nevermind [2006-12-08 18:40:08] <Jaymach> we have agreed on 250px, but people still break that rule [2006-12-08 18:40:09] <Darth_Culator> And at that resolution, 250px is the widest infobox that fits with default thumbnail sizes. [2006-12-08 18:40:16] <Riffsyphon1024> but if 250 or 275 is decided [2006-12-08 18:40:21] <Nightmare> sure [2006-12-08 18:40:21] <DarthOblivion> I like 250px [2006-12-08 18:40:26] <Nightmare> 275 [2006-12-08 18:40:30] <RoronCorobb> 275 [2006-12-08 18:40:31] <LucidFox> so I think we should enforce 250px on non-compliant pages [2006-12-08 18:40:32] <Darth_Culator> And 180px is the widest thumbnail size that works with a 250px infobox. [2006-12-08 18:40:32] <Redemption> It's hard enough to get some images to work with 250px without disorting them. [2006-12-08 18:40:46] <Riffsyphon1024> it shouldnt really be a rule then, but a "guideline", whatever works for the article is how it should go [2006-12-08 18:40:47] <Darth_Culator> We already decided on 250 months ago, people just ignore it. [2006-12-08 18:40:53] <LucidFox> and just omit the size in regular thumbs [2006-12-08 18:40:59] <Nightmare> sure [2006-12-08 18:41:00] <LucidFox> because it defaults to 180px [2006-12-08 18:41:01] <Redemption> And by now, with most of the articles at 250px, all the mages would have to changed or completley redone [2006-12-08 18:41:05] * SillyDan is leaving for real now [2006-12-08 18:41:10] <LucidFox> Redemption> why? [2006-12-08 18:41:16] <LucidFox> bye SillyDan [2006-12-08 18:41:21] <Nightmare> see ya [2006-12-08 18:41:21] <Jaymach> so should we enforce the 250px rule, Darth_Culator? [2006-12-08 18:41:22] <AceofAces20> cya [2006-12-08 18:41:22] |<-- SillyDan has left irc.freenode.net ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") [2006-12-08 18:41:24] <DarthOblivion> cya [2006-12-08 18:41:30] <Adamwankenobi> bye [2006-12-08 18:41:31] <Nightmare> yeah, sure [2006-12-08 18:41:36] <Nightmare> Next topic [2006-12-08 18:41:42] <Redemption> We didn't make a decision [2006-12-08 18:41:47] <Nightmare> 275 [2006-12-08 18:41:48] <RoronCorobb> "YouTube" [2006-12-08 18:41:49] <Sentry_> yes, enforce the 250px rule - else what is the point? [2006-12-08 18:41:58] <Jaymach> �03�(��Nightmare�03�)��: we haven't decided, nor are you in a position to call next topic [2006-12-08 18:41:59] <DarthOblivion> I agree [2006-12-08 18:41:59] <LucidFox> as Master Vrook said: [2006-12-08 18:42:16] <LucidFox> "If we have a Jedi Council in here, then somebody, somewhere, is going to do what it says" [2006-12-08 18:42:20] <Nightmare> sorry, but this doesn't seem any productive [2006-12-08 18:42:22] <LucidFox> (not exact quote) [2006-12-08 18:42:29] <AceofAces20> brb [2006-12-08 18:42:33] <Redemption> And you don't seem very productive yourself [2006-12-08 18:42:39] <Nightmare> I know [2006-12-08 18:42:40] <LucidFox> no personal attacks, please [2006-12-08 18:42:40] <Jaymach> we've been discussing it for a total of 3 minutes now [2006-12-08 18:42:50] <Riffsyphon1024> but we dont ban users for using non-250 px do we [2006-12-08 18:42:51] <Jaymach> I find it hard to believe anything can be very productive in that time [2006-12-08 18:42:52] <LucidFox> so: [2006-12-08 18:42:58] <LucidFox> 250px for infoboxes [2006-12-08 18:43:02] <LucidFox> 180px for thumbs [2006-12-08 18:43:03] <Redemption> bingo [2006-12-08 18:43:05] <Darth_Culator> This isn't really up for debate. This is a technical issue that needs to be explained in FAQs and enforced in policy or else things fall apart. [2006-12-08 18:43:08] <Nightmare> I still think that 250-275 would work well [2006-12-08 18:43:17] <Ineedaname> What about battle infoboxes? They're 300px wide [2006-12-08 18:43:26] <Jaymach> Infoboxes are 250px wide [2006-12-08 18:43:29] <Jaymach> unless stretched [2006-12-08 18:43:30] <Redemption> Keep them at 300px then [2006-12-08 18:43:37] <Nightmare> ok [2006-12-08 18:43:41] <LucidFox> battle infoboxes should be wider [2006-12-08 18:43:41] <Sentry_> 300px is needed for the battle/war infoboxes [2006-12-08 18:43:47] <Riffsyphon1024> right [2006-12-08 18:43:49] <Darth_Culator> Either they need to be shrunk, or thumbnails next to them need to be explicitly downsized to 130px. [2006-12-08 18:43:52] <LucidFox> so keep them at 300px [2006-12-08 18:44:04] <Nightmare> ok [2006-12-08 18:44:06] <Riffsyphon1024> keep battle at 300px [2006-12-08 18:44:08] <Nightmare> I agree [2006-12-08 18:44:15] <DarthOblivion> sound goo [2006-12-08 18:44:33] <RoronCorobb> next topic? [2006-12-08 18:44:37] <Nightmare> yeah [2006-12-08 18:44:42] <Jaymach> so how can we enforce it, other than banning anyone who keeps reverting back to non-250/300px images? [2006-12-08 18:44:43] <Darth_Culator> OK, so single column infoboxes at 250 with default or explicit 180px thumbs, multi-column boxes at 300 with 130px thumbs. [2006-12-08 18:44:45] <LucidFox> YouTube: Wikia thinks it's great, but some of us aren't so enthusiastic. -- Darth Culator (Talk)(TINC) 01:33, 26 November 2006 (UTC) [2006-12-08 18:44:51] <Riffsyphon1024> (i dont suppose wikipedia has this problem since they lack ads) [2006-12-08 18:45:03] <LucidFox> Mofference is on | Topic: "YouTube: Wikia thinks it's great, but some of us aren't so enthusiastic. -- Darth Culator" [2006-12-08 18:45:07] <Redemption> I guess you don't look at the right side ofyour screen that often [2006-12-08 18:45:09] =-= LucidFox has changed the topic to ``Mofference is on | Topic: "YouTube: Wikia thinks it's great, but some of us aren't so enthusiastic. -- Darth Culator"'' [2006-12-08 18:45:16] <Riffsyphon1024> ok, YouTube [2006-12-08 18:45:18] <Nightmare> Why should we deal with YouTube? I've never even seen anymention of it here [2006-12-08 18:45:24] <Jaymach> I despise YouTube integration [2006-12-08 18:45:25] -->| Whopper (n=colin@wikia/whopper) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:45:27] <Redemption> Because it's on the agenda. [2006-12-08 18:45:29] <Riffsyphon1024> see Forum:YouTube [2006-12-08 18:45:30] <LucidFox> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:YouTube [2006-12-08 18:45:37] <Redemption> Stop trying to divert the course of this Mofference [2006-12-08 18:45:38] <LucidFox> and it was all my fault [2006-12-08 18:45:38] <Jaymach> �03�(��Nightmare�03�)��: we can now integrate YouTube videos into articles [2006-12-08 18:45:45] <Nightmare> What?! [2006-12-08 18:45:49] <LucidFox> that I brought it up in the furst place [2006-12-08 18:45:55] <LucidFox> s/furst/first [2006-12-08 18:45:57] <DarthOblivion> where have you been [2006-12-08 18:45:58] <Riffsyphon1024> if we ever do, it should be only for references pages [2006-12-08 18:45:59] <RoronCorobb> i think its kinda useful [2006-12-08 18:46:01] <Jaymach> it's a feature that was brought about Wikia-wide [2006-12-08 18:46:09] <Darth_Culator> And really shouldn't have been. [2006-12-08 18:46:10] <LucidFox> frankly... [2006-12-08 18:46:10] <Ineedaname> I've only ever seen it used once. And it got removed anyway [2006-12-08 18:46:13] <Nightmare> How? What if the video gets deleted by the uploader? Than it messes it all up [2006-12-08 18:46:15] <Riffsyphon1024> for example The Colbert Report section [2006-12-08 18:46:22] <LucidFox> I think it should never be used, period. [2006-12-08 18:46:28] <LucidFox> It's nothing but potential legal trouble. [2006-12-08 18:46:30] <Sentry_> I am amazed that they ever did it. It is a copyright nightmare... [2006-12-08 18:46:31] <Darth_Culator> We're already on very shaky copyright ground. [2006-12-08 18:46:38] <LucidFox> Darth_Culator> true [2006-12-08 18:46:47] <Jaymach> I'm of the mind that we should ask that Wikia disable the feature for the Wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:46:54] <Jaymach> I'm not sure if it's possible, but I truly despise it [2006-12-08 18:47:00] <Riffsyphon1024> but as I said its just for limited use, we all seem to disagree [2006-12-08 18:47:00] <LucidFox> Jaymach> that, too [2006-12-08 18:47:08] <Darth_Culator> Disable if it's possible, otherwise just ban it. [2006-12-08 18:47:13] <Nightmare> It leaves a dead video link. It will say "This video has been deleted by 1 for the reason of 2" [2006-12-08 18:47:21] <Riffsyphon1024> agree that it can be abused [2006-12-08 18:47:24] |<-- Herbsewell has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 18:47:35] <LucidFox> yes, by vandals [2006-12-08 18:48:02] <Riffsyphon1024> confirm to rid wookiee of them? [2006-12-08 18:48:09] <RoronCorobb> yes [2006-12-08 18:48:10] <Nightmare> I [2006-12-08 18:48:10] <Ineedaname> Yes [2006-12-08 18:48:12] <Redemption> Yes [2006-12-08 18:48:12] <Jaymach> I'm happy with that [2006-12-08 18:48:14] <Darth_Culator> Aye. [2006-12-08 18:48:16] <Adamwankenobi> yes [2006-12-08 18:48:16] <Ozzel> I don't really think we need it. [2006-12-08 18:48:18] <GHe> LucidFox: probably the same reason there's no polls [2006-12-08 18:48:21] <Riffsyphon1024> there you go [2006-12-08 18:48:21] <Redemption> If they can't, just have a very strict policy [2006-12-08 18:48:24] <Jaymach> I'll talk to Wikia staff after the Mofference [2006-12-08 18:48:27] <Jaymach> see if it's possible [2006-12-08 18:48:32] <Ineedaname> Before Jasca starts sticking duel videos everywhere [2006-12-08 18:48:34] <Nightmare> Wow, this is almost unanimous! [2006-12-08 18:48:39] <DarthOblivion> I don't care. They're not necessary [2006-12-08 18:48:44] <Riffsyphon1024> its how wookiee works [2006-12-08 18:48:51] <Nightmare> I guess that nobody wants YouTube [2006-12-08 18:48:58] <Redemption> duh [2006-12-08 18:48:58] <LucidFox> seems so [2006-12-08 18:49:04] <Nightmare> So, no youtube anymore [2006-12-08 18:49:06] <DarthOblivion> yep [2006-12-08 18:49:09] <Nightmare> Ok [2006-12-08 18:49:09] <GHe> it's abusable [2006-12-08 18:49:11] <GHe> like polls [2006-12-08 18:49:11] <Nightmare> Sure [2006-12-08 18:49:15] <Darth_Culator> Good. Next topic? [2006-12-08 18:49:16] <Riffsyphon1024> too much myspacification on the web as it is, not for wookiee then [2006-12-08 18:49:17] <Nightmare> No more [2006-12-08 18:49:23] <LucidFox> Let's make whining explicitly bannable under the "disruption" provision of the Blocking policy. -- Darth Culator (Talk)(TINC) 01:51, 26 November 2006 (UTC) [2006-12-08 18:49:25] <Jaymach> the next topic is another by Culator [2006-12-08 18:49:28] <DarthOblivion> images are also abusable [2006-12-08 18:49:29] <Jaymach> so if he wants to field it? [2006-12-08 18:49:43] =-= LucidFox has changed the topic to ``Mofference is on | Topic: "Let's make whining explicitly bannable under the "disruption" provision of the Blocking policy. -- Darth Culator"'' [2006-12-08 18:49:44] <Redemption> As long as the images aren't from another host, they are fine [2006-12-08 18:49:45] <Riffsyphon1024> whining? define whining? [2006-12-08 18:49:48] <Nightmare> Whinning is unproductive [2006-12-08 18:49:53] <Sentry_> How do we definie whining... [2006-12-08 18:49:58] <Redemption> See the Luke Skywalker talk page... [2006-12-08 18:50:04] <Ineedaname> Tnu [2006-12-08 18:50:07] <DarthOblivion> ban whiners [2006-12-08 18:50:08] <Darth_Culator> I didn't want to name names, but.... [2006-12-08 18:50:09] <Jaymach> I believe this came about due to Tnu [2006-12-08 18:50:12] <Nightmare> lol, perfect example... [2006-12-08 18:50:13] <Sentry_> It sounds rather subjective to me and difficult to enforce. [2006-12-08 18:50:20] <Jaymach> who was summirarily banned [2006-12-08 18:50:32] <Jaymach> due to being disruptive both on the site, and in this IRC chat roo [2006-12-08 18:50:34] <Jaymach> *room [2006-12-08 18:50:40] <Riffsyphon1024> which section of the talk? [2006-12-08 18:50:45] <Redemption> Main Image [2006-12-08 18:50:45] <Nightmare> maybe an attitude guildline [2006-12-08 18:50:48] <Jaymach> �03�(��Riffsyphon1024�03�)��: any section to do with images [2006-12-08 18:50:52] <Redemption> The ones with the crappy images [2006-12-08 18:50:54] <Ozzel> Yes, I think "whining" is very subjective, but I see what Culator is getting at. [2006-12-08 18:51:08] <GHe> oh the Luke Skywalker image :P [2006-12-08 18:51:11] <GHe> that explains it [2006-12-08 18:51:14] <Darth_Culator> Yes, that. [2006-12-08 18:51:16] <Redemption> Yeah. See the craptastic iamgeS? [2006-12-08 18:51:27] <DarthOblivion> horrible [2006-12-08 18:51:34] <Redemption> Whine: to protest in a childish fasion [2006-12-08 18:51:34] <Jaymach> Tnu basically went on what he called a "crusade" to rid Wookieepedia of "crappy" images [2006-12-08 18:51:38] <Darth_Culator> Obsession is an ugly thing. [2006-12-08 18:51:38] <Redemption> Just go by that. [2006-12-08 18:51:50] <Riffsyphon1024> couldnt Tnu at least learn to spell [2006-12-08 18:51:54] <Jaymach> he ignored the fact that he didn't get any support, and kept saying the entire site was against him [2006-12-08 18:51:55] <DarthOblivion> i know [2006-12-08 18:51:56] <Redemption> If an admin thinks a user is behaving like a child, warning -> ban [2006-12-08 18:52:08] <Jaymach> when he refused to back off, he was banned [2006-12-08 18:52:14] <Jaymach> (this was after weeks of him "crusading") [2006-12-08 18:52:17] <Riffsyphon1024> speaking of children, how old is Tnu? [2006-12-08 18:52:25] <Ineedaname> The entire site *is* against him, and with good reason [2006-12-08 18:52:26] <Redemption> 8? 9? [2006-12-08 18:52:32] <Darth_Culator> Maybe what we need is a "Wookieepedia: Words of Wisdom" like Wikipedia has. [2006-12-08 18:52:46] <GHe> aparently http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Tnu.jpg [2006-12-08 18:52:48] <Riffsyphon1024> we shouldnt have 8 yr olds on this site [2006-12-08 18:52:59] <Nightmare> We need an attitude guidline. It can involve atitude of edits, talk pages, types of image uploading, other kinds of good citizeen personality stuff. [2006-12-08 18:53:06] <LucidFox> ood idea, Riff [2006-12-08 18:53:07] <Riffsyphon1024> much less 12 yr olds that act like them [2006-12-08 18:53:13] <Redemption> So Tnu is a stoned idiot? [2006-12-08 18:53:18] <Jaymach> we're legally not allowed to have anyone under the age of 13 on the site [2006-12-08 18:53:24] <Riffsyphon1024> but we do [2006-12-08 18:53:24] <RoronCorobb> uh o [2006-12-08 18:53:31] <Darth_Culator> Basically, we need this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Words_of_wisdom [2006-12-08 18:53:34] <AceofAces20> what happened? i was outside [2006-12-08 18:53:36] <Riffsyphon1024> i can point a few out [2006-12-08 18:53:36] <LucidFox> well, we have WP:NPA and WP:POINT currently for "attitude guidelines" [2006-12-08 18:53:40] <DarthOblivion> Roron Cabob [2006-12-08 18:53:52] <RoronCorobb> its the cops, im runnin [2006-12-08 18:53:52] <Sentry_> Maybe we need a 'disruption' policy? [2006-12-08 18:53:58] <DarthOblivion> He's 11 [2006-12-08 18:54:11] <GHe> and recently ran for adminship [2006-12-08 18:54:11] <Riffsyphon1024> i dont want Dateline NBC knocking on my door [2006-12-08 18:54:13] <Redemption> Guess he hit puberty a little early [2006-12-08 18:54:22] <LucidFox> Sentry_> you mean this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Don%27t_disrupt_Wookieepedia_to_prove_a_point [2006-12-08 18:54:24] <LucidFox> ? [2006-12-08 18:54:36] <Darth_Culator> Sentry: Right. Disruption is bannable, but what counts as disruption? [2006-12-08 18:54:42] <DarthOblivion> I'm all for it [2006-12-08 18:54:43] <Jaymach> �03�(��Riffsyphon1024�03�)��: we're meant to have a notice somewhere on the signup page that informs users if they're under the age of 13 then they can't join [2006-12-08 18:54:43] <Redemption> Behaving like a child. [2006-12-08 18:54:48] <Darth_Culator> Calls for a CT, I think. [2006-12-08 18:54:50] <Jaymach> but it's Wikia who would be prosecuted, rather than us [2006-12-08 18:54:51] <Riffsyphon1024> but thats just my opinion [2006-12-08 18:55:08] <LucidFox> Darth_Culator> yes, let's bring it to CT [2006-12-08 18:55:12] <Redemption> But Wikia can always shut the site down [2006-12-08 18:55:17] <AceofAces20> wikia would get mad at us, wouldn't they [2006-12-08 18:55:19] <GHe> how would that enforce anything? like how can you confirm whether <13 yr olds are actually joining or not [2006-12-08 18:55:20] <Riffsyphon1024> we dont want that [2006-12-08 18:55:27] <Jaymach> I don't believe they'd get mad at us [2006-12-08 18:55:27] <Redemption> You can't. [2006-12-08 18:55:33] <GHe> exactly [2006-12-08 18:55:35] <Jaymach> it's they who set up the register page [2006-12-08 18:55:35] <Redemption> If they got sued then they'd get pissed [2006-12-08 18:55:37] <Riffsyphon1024> 13 yr olds arent afraid to tell people how young they are apparently [2006-12-08 18:55:40] <Ineedaname> Isn't it legal if the parents give permission? [2006-12-08 18:55:43] <Jaymach> and I don't believe we can change it [2006-12-08 18:55:47] <Jaymach> it is indeed [2006-12-08 18:55:53] <Darth_Culator> OK, disruption policy on the CT. Anyone opposed? [2006-12-08 18:55:57] <AceofAces20> hmmm... [2006-12-08 18:55:58] <Nightmare> No [2006-12-08 18:55:59] <Jaymach> I'm not opposed [2006-12-08 18:56:00] <LucidFox> I'll ask Splarka if Wikia will object to a 13 year old policy [2006-12-08 18:56:18] <GHe> want me to invite him in now? [2006-12-08 18:56:21] |<-- SolaBeat has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 18:56:22] <Jaymach> doesn't seem to be any objections, Culator [2006-12-08 18:56:24] <Darth_Culator> Good. [2006-12-08 18:56:27] <Jaymach> do you want to start one up later? [2006-12-08 18:56:31] <Nightmare> Sure [2006-12-08 18:56:33] <Darth_Culator> Indeed. [2006-12-08 18:56:37] <LucidFox> and sannse, when she wakes up\ [2006-12-08 18:56:48] <GHe> I'll ask Splarka to come in now [2006-12-08 18:56:48] <Riffsyphon1024> 13 yr old here http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Darthphonebook [2006-12-08 18:56:51] <RoronCorobb> *(uses Jedi mind trick)"I am now 13 years old" [2006-12-08 18:56:56] <Jaymach> probably not best to invite any Staffers in at the moment :) [2006-12-08 18:56:58] <Jaymach> they'll be swamped [2006-12-08 18:57:06] <Sentry_> Sounds good. Yay, another policy to hammer out... [2006-12-08 18:57:08] <LucidFox> [Force Persuade: Failure] I don't believe you. [2006-12-08 18:57:12] <Nightmare> - -RORON COROBB IS NOW 13- - [2006-12-08 18:57:16] <Darth_Culator> Next: Admin limits. We made it easier to become one, but we probably need a limit. [2006-12-08 18:57:18] <AceofAces20> me neither [2006-12-08 18:57:20] <Darth_Culator> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Admin_voting_Mk._II [2006-12-08 18:57:26] <Jaymach> again, a Culator-related topic [2006-12-08 18:57:34] <DarthOblivion> He should just remain discreet about his age for now [2006-12-08 18:57:34] <Sentry_> This should be fun [2006-12-08 18:57:41] =-= Darth_Culator has changed the topic to ``Wookieepedia Mofference: Admin limits'' [2006-12-08 18:57:45] <Riffsyphon1024> 15 http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Vongchild [2006-12-08 18:57:53] <Nightmare> I'm happy with the admins just fine. I don't think that we need anymore [2006-12-08 18:57:57] <Ozzel> How many do we have now? And how many are active? [2006-12-08 18:58:08] <Riffsyphon1024> did we just change the topic again? [2006-12-08 18:58:10] =-= LucidFox has changed the topic to ``Mofference is on | Topic: "Admin voting revisited: It's easier to become an admin now, but perhaps we need some limit on the number. -- Darth Culator"'' [2006-12-08 18:58:15] <Darth_Culator> There's already a CT on it, and I don't know if there was one when I posted this as a mofference item. [2006-12-08 18:58:20] <LucidFox> well, my stace is [2006-12-08 18:58:22] <DarthOblivion> 25 [2006-12-08 18:58:24] <Jaymach> depends what you mean by active, really [2006-12-08 18:58:25] <Darth_Culator> But I think we need some kind of ratio. [2006-12-08 18:58:26] <LucidFox> s/stace/stance [2006-12-08 18:58:36] <Riffsyphon1024> ratio eh? [2006-12-08 18:58:37] <LucidFox> the community will decide when enough is enough [2006-12-08 18:58:40] <Jaymach> I don't edit much at the moment, but if anyone brings anything to my attention or I see something happening then I act [2006-12-08 18:58:40] <Ozzel> Well, we have some who haven't been around in weeks/months. [2006-12-08 18:58:48] -->| Splarka (i=Splarka@wikia/Splarka) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:58:52] <Riffsyphon1024> aidje returned after a year of absense [2006-12-08 18:58:53] <LucidFox> thanks, Splarka [2006-12-08 18:58:59] <LucidFox> hold off the topic, everyone [2006-12-08 18:59:00] <Jaymach> we currently have 19 admins, however [2006-12-08 18:59:02] <Nightmare> 1 admin for every 50 ACTIVE members [2006-12-08 18:59:04] <Jaymach> sorry :) [2006-12-08 18:59:06] <Darth_Culator> Yeah, but the community is acting like it's a popularity contest rather than an actual technical position. [2006-12-08 18:59:08] <Nightmare> Hows that sound? [2006-12-08 18:59:10] <Jaymach> everyone kindly stop talking for the moment [2006-12-08 18:59:16] <Nightmare> k [2006-12-08 18:59:20] <DarthOblivion> ok [2006-12-08 18:59:27] <Sentry_> That is what I am worried about. It is becoming a status symbol [2006-12-08 18:59:29] <AceofAces20> shutting up [2006-12-08 18:59:29] <LucidFox> Splarka, will Wikia object if we institute a "no users under 13" policy"? [2006-12-08 18:59:37] <Splarka> hmm [2006-12-08 18:59:43] <Jaymach> it's not so much that we have to ban all users under 13, Sikon [2006-12-08 18:59:48] -->| JainaSolo (i=4571a92f@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-978e843e0d0033e0) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 18:59:49] <Jaymach> we just need a warning on the Register page [2006-12-08 18:59:55] <Jaymach> then we've not broken the law, the child has [2006-12-08 18:59:55] <Splarka> I think it would violate the "Anyone can edit" policy, but then again Wikia isn't censored for minors [2006-12-08 19:00:13] =-= Cull|Away is now known as Cull_Tremayne [2006-12-08 19:00:19] <Splarka> would this just be for editors, or viewers too? [2006-12-08 19:00:22] <Riffsyphon1024> right, because we use language here in context that may be inappropriate for those under 13 [2006-12-08 19:00:25] <Darth_Culator> See http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Complaint [2006-12-08 19:00:26] <LucidFox> editors [2006-12-08 19:00:36] <Jaymach> �03�(��Splarka�03�)��: would it be possible at all to edit the Register page somehow to have a warning that, if you're under 13 and don't have permission of your parental guardian, then you can't join [2006-12-08 19:00:42] <Darth_Culator> COPPA is my main concern. How does it apply to wikis? [2006-12-08 19:01:17] |<-- Riffsyphon1024 has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 19:01:18] <Nightmare> How bout parental E-mail account activation for users under 13, like forums do? [2006-12-08 19:01:22] <Jaymach> Culator would be refering to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COPPA [2006-12-08 19:01:22] -->| riffsyphon1024 (i=46958a56@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-7a081e3db5af478f) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 19:01:25] <Jaymach> in case anyone didn't know [2006-12-08 19:01:26] <Splarka> then it would seem to be for your own benifit rather than theirs... it might be the only way to make it legal-ish would be to ban under-13s for viewers too (like bdsm.wikia) [2006-12-08 19:01:29] didnt mean to do that [2006-12-08 19:01:38] <DarthOblivion> We're getting of topic [2006-12-08 19:01:48] <Nightmare> <Nightmare> How bout parental E-mail account activation for users under 13, like forums do? [2006-12-08 19:01:49] <Splarka> Jaymach: the register page isn't viewed by IP editors, it would have to be on the edit page [2006-12-08 19:01:54] <Splarka> also, users can register on any wikia [2006-12-08 19:01:57] =-= riffsyphon1024 is now known as Riffsyphon1024 [2006-12-08 19:02:04] =-= Mode #wookieepedia +o Riffsyphon1024 by Darth_Culator [2006-12-08 19:02:06] <Jaymach> IP editors aren't giving out any personal information, other than their IP address :P [2006-12-08 19:02:14] <Jaymach> which, admitedly, can get access to other details [2006-12-08 19:02:22] <Splarka> IP editors are less anonymous than registered users [2006-12-08 19:02:31] <Riffsyphon1024> some of these young users are giving out too much information [2006-12-08 19:02:45] <Riffsyphon1024> i believe AIM names for these users are a problem [2006-12-08 19:02:45] <Splarka> registered users only have to provide a made-up name and password that is not saved by the system (only an MD5 hash is saved) [2006-12-08 19:02:59] <Darth_Culator> It's a more Myspace-ish problem than I'd expect us to have. [2006-12-08 19:03:02] <Splarka> while IP editors reveal their IP and time of use [2006-12-08 19:03:06] <Jaymach> yeah, but even that registered name is classed as personal information [2006-12-08 19:03:06] <Cull_Tremayne> I live at blah blah blah, and my house is unoccupied from blank to blank. [2006-12-08 19:03:09] <Jaymach> even if they've made it up [2006-12-08 19:03:16] <Riffsyphon1024> of course, myspacification has overtaken the world [2006-12-08 19:03:20] <Jaymach> which is why forums have the "13 or over" tick box [2006-12-08 19:03:56] <Nightmare> I guess so [2006-12-08 19:04:01] <AceofAces20> myspace bothers me for some reason [2006-12-08 19:04:07] <Splarka> hmm [2006-12-08 19:04:13] <Jaymach> Xanga, a blogging community, was recently fined $1,000,000 [2006-12-08 19:04:24] <Redemption> What'd they do? [2006-12-08 19:04:25] <AceofAces20> ? [2006-12-08 19:04:28] <Jaymach> nothing [2006-12-08 19:04:40] <Jaymach> they simply allowed 13 or unders to create blogs [2006-12-08 19:04:45] |<-- Ozzel has left irc.freenode.net (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [2006-12-08 19:04:48] <AceofAces20> then why were they fined [2006-12-08 19:04:52] <Splarka> the only way to prevent just any wikia registered user from editing would be to install some sort of email-verification system on starwars.wikia, or get a separate user database for starwars.wikia (not a good idea) [2006-12-08 19:04:52] <Jaymach> because that's illegal [2006-12-08 19:04:56] <Riffsyphon1024> isnt there an internet privacy act? [2006-12-08 19:05:07] -->| Ozzel (n=chatzill@ip68-225-162-90.ok.ok.cox.net) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 19:05:10] <DarthOblivion> I think there is some innapropriate stuff on Xanga [2006-12-08 19:05:17] <Jaymach> that would be COPPA, Riffs [2006-12-08 19:05:20] <Jaymach> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COPPA [2006-12-08 19:05:24] <Riffsyphon1024> ok that's the ac [2006-12-08 19:05:26] <Riffsyphon1024> act* [2006-12-08 19:05:26] <Darth_Culator> http://www.coppa.org/comply.htm [2006-12-08 19:05:38] <Splarka> however, what you might do is put a warning on the edit page... [2006-12-08 19:05:39] <GHe> Splarka: wouldn't it apply to all wikias? [2006-12-08 19:05:42] <Nightmare> So...what are we trieing to reach an agreement on? [2006-12-08 19:05:47] <LucidFox> No email verification, period. [2006-12-08 19:05:48] <GHe> the under 13 thing [2006-12-08 19:05:57] <LucidFox> It just encourages users to use discardable email [2006-12-08 19:05:58] <Splarka> GHe: does this discussion apply to all wikias? [2006-12-08 19:06:00] |<-- RoronCorobb has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 19:06:01] <Jaymach> we're trying to see if Splarka (a Wikia staffer) can implement something we decided on [2006-12-08 19:06:03] -->| Imperialles (i=54caaa33@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-9b0644a8097e29ae) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 19:06:08] =-= Mode #wookieepedia +o Imperialles by Darth_Culator [2006-12-08 19:06:08] -->| RoronCorobb (i=477355da@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-952de5bd87798d62) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 19:06:11] <GHe> I mean the under 13 thing [2006-12-08 19:06:19] <Imperialles> Sorry for being late, something came up [2006-12-08 19:06:24] =-= Mode #wookieepedia +o Imperialles by LucidFox [2006-12-08 19:06:35] <DarthOblivion> I though we were dicussing a limit on the # of admins [2006-12-08 19:06:36] <AceofAces20> ey Imp [2006-12-08 19:06:36] <Redemption> No problem, Marcia [2006-12-08 19:06:39] =-= Mode #wookieepedia +o Sentry_ by LucidFox [2006-12-08 19:06:40] <Riffsyphon1024> understandable Imp [2006-12-08 19:06:41] <Jaymach> �03�(��Splarka�03�)��: it very well could do, if COPPA decided to take action [2006-12-08 19:06:43] <Splarka> technically, it would be very hard and you would lose a lot of editors, and the only attempt to do it thus far was on some failed uni wikis [2006-12-08 19:06:58] <Splarka> basically, you'd no longer have a wiki [2006-12-08 19:07:25] <Splarka> ^only attempt to do it on wikia, (clarification) [2006-12-08 19:07:53] <Splarka> hmm [2006-12-08 19:07:54] |<-- RoronCorobb has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 19:07:58] <DarthOblivion> hmmm [2006-12-08 19:08:01] <Nightmare> How about just a warning in big flashy letters on the registration page? [2006-12-08 19:08:05] <Riffsyphon1024> read-only version for 12 and under? [2006-12-08 19:08:05] <Splarka> I suggest researching what wikimedia is doing in regards to coppa [2006-12-08 19:08:08] <Jaymach> �03�(��Splarka�03�)��: would it not be possible to at least make a notice on the registration page? [2006-12-08 19:08:22] <Nightmare> I jsut said that [2006-12-08 19:08:27] <Splarka> Nightmare/Jaymach: not so much, there are 2000 other registration pages they can use [2006-12-08 19:08:34] <Riffsyphon1024> where, mare? [2006-12-08 19:08:38] <Imperialles> Other wikias [2006-12-08 19:08:45] <Jaymach> and I assume they don't all come from a central template? [2006-12-08 19:08:50] <GHe> nope [2006-12-08 19:08:56] <Riffsyphon1024> oh nevermind [2006-12-08 19:08:59] <Nightmare> I thought that we were jsut discussing Wookieepedia, not all the wikis! [2006-12-08 19:09:05] <Sentry_> They can register on any wikia. [2006-12-08 19:09:06] <Splarka> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Home <-- here is a wiki with restricted account creation [2006-12-08 19:09:15] <Darth_Culator> We should at least put a disclaimer on ours, just in case. Basically, "if you're under 13 you need parental permission and shouldn't discuss personal info and it's not our fault if you do, yada yada yada." [2006-12-08 19:09:16] <Splarka> but that won't work with a shared user database as wikia has [2006-12-08 19:09:35] <Splarka> darth: that would work I suppose [2006-12-08 19:09:41] <Splarka> but cannot an IP editor reveal the same information? [2006-12-08 19:09:42] <Nightmare> I don't really care about then how come when I post on a discussion page on the regular wikipedia, it shows an IP adress? [2006-12-08 19:09:51] -->| RoronCorobb (i=477355da@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-2db5496f69eccb1d) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 19:09:58] <Redemption> You aren't registered or logged in [2006-12-08 19:10:04] <Riffsyphon1024> right, they can contribute without giving away personal info, there you go darth [2006-12-08 19:10:05] <Nightmare> ... [2006-12-08 19:10:21] <Splarka> Wookieepedia and Wikipedia are about the same access level, except Wikipedia restricts new page creation to registered users [2006-12-08 19:10:22] <Jaymach> is there any way to stop IP addresses from creating userpages? [2006-12-08 19:10:33] <Splarka> sure, stop them from creating new pages [2006-12-08 19:10:34] <DarthOblivion> Yes [2006-12-08 19:10:36] <Redemption> Wikipedia-right idea [2006-12-08 19:10:39] <Splarka> that isn't too hard [2006-12-08 19:10:39] <LucidFox> yes [2006-12-08 19:10:43] <Jaymach> that would stop them (theoretically) being able to give away personal information [2006-12-08 19:10:46] <Darth_Culator> IPs shouldn't be creating userpages anyhow. [2006-12-08 19:10:48] <Splarka> BUT, that was a knee-jerk reaction on wikipedia's part [2006-12-08 19:10:50] <LucidFox> IPs shouldn't be able to create new pages [2006-12-08 19:11:02] <Jaymach> I don't mind IP addresses creating new pages [2006-12-08 19:11:03] <DarthOblivion> Or edit [2006-12-08 19:11:05] <Jaymach> just not user pages [2006-12-08 19:11:11] <Splarka> Jay: if they can edit, they can reveal information [2006-12-08 19:11:13] <Jaymach> their own user pages, that is [2006-12-08 19:11:20] <Jaymach> hence the theoretically ;) [2006-12-08 19:11:26] <Imperialles> so... the number of admins anyone? [2006-12-08 19:11:27] <Riffsyphon1024> its all about age, remember? [2006-12-08 19:11:30] <Splarka> I don't think the page creation restrction is namespace parsable [2006-12-08 19:11:35] <Riffsyphon1024> the number of admins is fine [2006-12-08 19:11:35] <DarthOblivion> 25 [2006-12-08 19:11:39] <Imperialles> I suggest we move this COPPA discussion to CT or something [2006-12-08 19:11:42] <Splarka> best advice: put up a warning on the edit page [2006-12-08 19:11:45] <Riffsyphon1024> yes imp [2006-12-08 19:11:48] <Darth_Culator> Probably a good idea. [2006-12-08 19:11:50] <Splarka> hmm [2006-12-08 19:11:51] <Splarka> actually [2006-12-08 19:11:53] <Jaymach> that would work, also [2006-12-08 19:11:53] <RoronCorobb> i think 1 admin per 2,000 articles [2006-12-08 19:11:54] <Nightmare> Sure [2006-12-08 19:11:58] <Splarka> why not move it to wikia.com central forums [2006-12-08 19:12:01] <Darth_Culator> We just diverted because we dragged Splarka in here. [2006-12-08 19:12:04] <Splarka> since it would affect all wikia equally [2006-12-08 19:12:11] <Jaymach> sorry about the amount of chatting, Splarka :) [2006-12-08 19:12:14] <Splarka> (even though this is the largest wikia wiki) [2006-12-08 19:12:18] <Jaymach> we promise not to call on you too often :P lol [2006-12-08 19:12:23] <Darth_Culator> But yes, let's get back to admin limits. [2006-12-08 19:12:27] <Splarka> one sec [2006-12-08 19:12:34] <Splarka> why not put a link on edit pages [2006-12-08 19:12:38] <LucidFox> Jaymach> with sannse always here, there's usually little need anyway [2006-12-08 19:13:03] <Splarka> Warning, if you are under 13 it is illegal to reveal personal information about yourself [2006-12-08 19:13:07] <Splarka> and then in common.css: [2006-12-08 19:13:15] <Splarka> .warning a:visited {display:none} [2006-12-08 19:13:19] <Imperialles> Splarka: Will do. [2006-12-08 19:13:22] <Imperialles> lag [2006-12-08 19:13:22] <DarthOblivion> Aren't we going to have 2 more admins soon, unless we get a bueracratic (spelling) [2006-12-08 19:13:23] <Riffsyphon1024> sannse here? [2006-12-08 19:13:23] <Riffsyphon1024> sounds good [2006-12-08 19:13:23] <Splarka> clicking on it makes it disappear for a few days [2006-12-08 19:13:30] <Jaymach> I believe Sikon would have to do it :P [2006-12-08 19:13:36] <Darth_Culator> Or Sentry. [2006-12-08 19:13:42] <LucidFox> sannse is asleep right now, it seems [2006-12-08 19:13:44] <DarthOblivion> I meant beuracratic veto [2006-12-08 19:13:46] <LucidFox> Jaymach> do what? [2006-12-08 19:13:51] <LucidFox> put up the notice? [2006-12-08 19:13:55] <Jaymach> indeed [2006-12-08 19:14:00] <Splarka> lemme know if you need anyone de-sysopped (any staff can do it, but I enjoy it more) [2006-12-08 19:14:01] <LucidFox> where? [2006-12-08 19:14:04] <Jaymach> I suggest you because you actually know how to edit that stuff :P [2006-12-08 19:14:07] <Riffsyphon1024> Sikon and I already approved one, WhiteBoy would be the last to confirm the vote [2006-12-08 19:14:24] <--| Splarka has left #wookieepedia ("muah hah") [2006-12-08 19:14:44] <Nightmare> Bye, Splarka [2006-12-08 19:14:46] <Jaymach> shall we move back to the topic? :) [2006-12-08 19:14:49] <LucidFox> yes [2006-12-08 19:14:50] <Riffsyphon1024> yes [2006-12-08 19:14:50] <Nightmare> Next topic? [2006-12-08 19:14:55] <DarthOblivion> please [2006-12-08 19:15:00] <Nightmare> Wiat, what topci are we on? [2006-12-08 19:15:01] <AceofAces20> yes [2006-12-08 19:15:08] <Sentry_> admin limits. [2006-12-08 19:15:08] <Imperialles> Ok, basically [2006-12-08 19:15:09] <Ineedaname> Number of admins [2006-12-08 19:15:09] <Darth_Culator> Admin limit. [2006-12-08 19:15:09] |<-- RoronCorobb has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 19:15:16] <Jaymach> we're currently still on "Admin voting revisited: It's easier to become an admin now, but perhaps we need some limit on the number." [2006-12-08 19:15:20] <Imperialles> I think it is up to the bureaucrats to decide the limit [2006-12-08 19:15:20] <DarthOblivion> Below 30 [2006-12-08 19:15:27] <Imperialles> Since they have veto powers [2006-12-08 19:15:28] <Jaymach> we currently have 19 admins, FYI [2006-12-08 19:15:31] <Nightmare> 1 admin per 2000 active users? [2006-12-08 19:15:34] <Imperialles> we don't need a specific policy. [2006-12-08 19:15:39] <Sentry_> A ratio sounds like a good idea to me [2006-12-08 19:15:40] -->| RoronCorobb (i=477355da@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-1622429561fa89e3) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 19:15:44] <Darth_Culator> We can't really count users that well. [2006-12-08 19:15:46] <Jaymach> �03�(��Nightmare�03�)��: it's impossible to know how many users we have [2006-12-08 19:15:47] <DarthOblivion> How many active users? [2006-12-08 19:15:55] <Jaymach> seeing as the user database is spread Wikia-wide [2006-12-08 19:15:55] <RoronCorobb> i say about 50 [2006-12-08 19:15:55] * Cull_Tremayne keeps mouth shut. [2006-12-08 19:16:05] <Cull_Tremayne> 50?! [2006-12-08 19:16:07] <Riffsyphon1024> i could always just veto one now, but XWing would hate me for cutting his feet from under him after voting for him already [2006-12-08 19:16:13] <Jaymach> so if anyone signs up on, say, memory alpha or the Stargate wiki, they're added to our database [2006-12-08 19:16:18] <RoronCorobb> 50 very active ones [2006-12-08 19:16:22] <Nightmare> 1 per 100 users signed in on the active user page? [2006-12-08 19:16:30] <Ozzel> I don't think we need a specific number or ratio. Basically, don't we have enough for the time being? [2006-12-08 19:16:33] <Jaymach> as I said...there's no way to track active users [2006-12-08 19:16:38] <LucidFox> you mean Wookieepedia:Wookieepedians? [2006-12-08 19:16:39] <Imperialles> Riff: it is your privilege as a BC [2006-12-08 19:16:56] <DarthOblivion> I guess I shouldn't try [2006-12-08 19:16:58] <Riffsyphon1024> but it wouldnt be fair then considering he's prime material [2006-12-08 19:17:02] <LucidFox> well, I'm not ashamed to veto users... [2006-12-08 19:17:07] <Riffsyphon1024> and i dont have a reason to not like him [2006-12-08 19:17:15] <Nightmare> LucidFox:yeah [2006-12-08 19:17:17] <LucidFox> and I will start doing so when I think we have enough [2006-12-08 19:17:29] <Riffsyphon1024> if Chad disagrees, he is the final say [2006-12-08 19:17:42] <LucidFox> (totally not induced by any so-called cabal ;)) [2006-12-08 19:17:43] <Darth_Culator> Why don't we make it necessary for potential admins or people planning to nominate admins to ask a BC *first.* [2006-12-08 19:17:50] <Riffsyphon1024> just so you all know that dont Chad=WhiteBoy [2006-12-08 19:18:05] <Riffsyphon1024> that sounds like a good idea [2006-12-08 19:18:08] <LucidFox> indeed [2006-12-08 19:18:12] <DarthOblivion> Sure [2006-12-08 19:18:13] |<-- Nightmare has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 19:18:17] <DarthOblivion> I lose [2006-12-08 19:18:19] <Riffsyphon1024> of course id be bias :) [2006-12-08 19:18:26] -->| Nightmare (i=d166f384@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-814feac24e57be02) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 19:18:39] * Darth_Culator would like to remind everyone that There Is No Cabal. [2006-12-08 19:18:41] * Cull_Tremayne shakes fist at the corrupt bureaucracy! [2006-12-08 19:18:41] |<-- Nightmare has left irc.freenode.net (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [2006-12-08 19:18:47] -->| Nightmare (i=d166f384@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-a6bfa93200bebf11) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 19:18:53] <Riffsyphon1024> corrupt Cull? [2006-12-08 19:18:56] <Nightmare> Sorry, I'm back now [2006-12-08 19:18:59] <DarthOblivion> *Does the same [2006-12-08 19:19:01] <Darth_Culator> Corrupt??? [2006-12-08 19:19:08] <Darth_Culator> Bah! [2006-12-08 19:19:09] <DarthOblivion> I don't know how to do that [2006-12-08 19:19:11] <Nightmare> Now, whats the topic agian? [2006-12-08 19:19:12] <Imperialles> So we all agree: No specific policy is needed, let bureaucrats regulate the number of admins as they see fit [2006-12-08 19:19:15] <Riffsyphon1024> humbug [2006-12-08 19:19:18] <Nightmare> sure [2006-12-08 19:19:23] <Darth_Culator> If we were corrupt, you'd *know* it. [2006-12-08 19:19:27] <AceofAces20> *Ace thinks plitics are a three ring circus [2006-12-08 19:19:29] <Cull_Tremayne> (Riffsyphon1024): Just a reason to use the phrase "corrupt bureaucracy". :P [2006-12-08 19:19:32] <Jaymach> seems like a fair ruling [2006-12-08 19:19:36] <AceofAces20> *politics [2006-12-08 19:19:39] <Nightmare> Aye [2006-12-08 19:19:40] <Imperialles> Great! Let's move on! [2006-12-08 19:19:41] <Jaymach> BC's are basically the people in control of the Wiki anyhow :P [2006-12-08 19:19:43] <Nightmare> Yes! [2006-12-08 19:19:54] <Jaymach> the next topic is "GA - Currently as useful as page numbers in a diary. How do we give it a shot in the arm?" [2006-12-08 19:19:58] <Darth_Culator> Is fourdot here? [2006-12-08 19:19:59] <Riffsyphon1024> unless theyre not around, then theres the Chad Problem [2006-12-08 19:20:00] <Jaymach> posted by 4dot [2006-12-08 19:20:00] <AceofAces20> new topic! [2006-12-08 19:20:02] <RoronCorobb> no [2006-12-08 19:20:04] * Cull_Tremayne loves his benevolent dictators. [2006-12-08 19:20:05] <Nightmare> GA? [2006-12-08 19:20:11] <RoronCorobb> good article [2006-12-08 19:20:13] <Jaymach> Good Articles [2006-12-08 19:20:14] <Imperialles> Meh, I'm still working on a FA/GA revamp [2006-12-08 19:20:18] <AceofAces20> ah. [2006-12-08 19:20:21] <Imperialles> give me some time =) [2006-12-08 19:20:24] <Darth_Culator> I believe Imp was working on this last time. [2006-12-08 19:20:24] <Riffsyphon1024> as much as he wants to remain our leader, he has a real life too [2006-12-08 19:20:24] <Jaymach> it would probably be better if we linked to them in some way on the main poage [2006-12-08 19:20:26] <Jaymach> *page [2006-12-08 19:20:31] <Nightmare> Didn't we just discuss this last mofference? [2006-12-08 19:20:41] <Jaymach> we could possibly include a link to their category in the FA box on the main page [2006-12-08 19:20:46] <DarthOblivion> If we did I missed it [2006-12-08 19:20:55] <Riffsyphon1024> ah darn, next topic already [2006-12-08 19:20:59] <Imperialles> It's being worked on. [2006-12-08 19:21:02] <Imperialles> Next! [2006-12-08 19:21:05] <DarthOblivion> Yes please [2006-12-08 19:21:07] <Nightmare> I could'a sworn that we did already covered it last time.. [2006-12-08 19:21:12] <Riffsyphon1024> ok ok, GA shouldnt be Good Articles but Great Articles [2006-12-08 19:21:12] <Darth_Culator> Jaymach: Not a bad idea. There's a huge empty space under Newest Articles where we can put fun stuff like that. [2006-12-08 19:21:14] <DarthOblivion> Did we [2006-12-08 19:21:28] <Riffsyphon1024> and i think we did cover this already [2006-12-08 19:21:30] <Nightmare> Next topic please? [2006-12-08 19:21:42] <DarthOblivion> No [2006-12-08 19:21:48] <AceofAces20> ... [2006-12-08 19:21:51] <Cull_Tremayne> Imp had a pretty detailed plan for it during the last mofference. [2006-12-08 19:21:51] <Darth_Culator> OK, new topic. [2006-12-08 19:21:56] <Imperialles> Image format discussion: Cropping--When to, when not to, how to, how not to; File type--PNG vs GIF vs JPG vs everything else. Not that we need to work out the details in the Mofference, it'd take hours. Just that we need to work out a policy and we need some ideas for bullet points of that policy and/or volunteers to help write the rules and instructions for following them. [2006-12-08 19:22:05] <Imperialles> Posted by some unknown user [2006-12-08 19:22:09] <Riffsyphon1024> ill stay out of this one [2006-12-08 19:22:10] <Jaymach> GIF should all die [2006-12-08 19:22:15] <Darth_Culator> Basically, I need volunteers to help me with the technical side of this. [2006-12-08 19:22:16] <Jaymach> to put it frankly [2006-12-08 19:22:16] <DarthOblivion> Yes!!! [2006-12-08 19:22:19] <Jaymach> it's a horrible format [2006-12-08 19:22:27] <Sentry_> There is no need to use GIF, ever [2006-12-08 19:22:28] <DarthOblivion> Agreed [2006-12-08 19:22:31] <Darth_Culator> Imp is working on culling the images. [2006-12-08 19:22:36] <Jaymach> PNG is usually best used for either black or white pictures, or very high resolution ones [2006-12-08 19:22:37] <Imperialles> I propose we move this discussion to http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:WookieeProject_Images/Image_policy [2006-12-08 19:22:45] <Darth_Culator> But we need to set a policy on quality, format, etc. [2006-12-08 19:22:48] <Imperialles> I am working on an image policy there [2006-12-08 19:22:51] <Cull_Tremayne> JPG should be the standard. [2006-12-08 19:22:57] <DarthOblivion> It is [2006-12-08 19:22:58] <Nightmare> PNG is effective [2006-12-08 19:23:02] <Darth_Culator> I'm tired of being the only person who knows how to use JPEGCrop. [2006-12-08 19:23:06] hi everyone [2006-12-08 19:23:11] <Nightmare> hey [2006-12-08 19:23:13] <Jaymach> why even use JPEGCrop? [2006-12-08 19:23:14] <Wookieeperial> hello? [2006-12-08 19:23:15] <AceofAces20> hello [2006-12-08 19:23:15] <Jaymach> Paint works [2006-12-08 19:23:17] <Imperialles> Jpegcrop? [2006-12-08 19:23:22] <DarthOblivion> Who? [2006-12-08 19:23:26] <Darth_Culator> http://sylvana.net/jpegcrop/ [2006-12-08 19:23:28] =-= LucidFox has changed the topic to ``Mofference is on | Topic: "GA - Currently as useful as page numbers in a diary. How do we give it a shot in the arm? - ...."'' [2006-12-08 19:23:32] <Riffsyphon1024> photobucket has a crop feature as well [2006-12-08 19:23:35] <Darth_Culator> Best JPG manipulator ever. [2006-12-08 19:23:52] <Darth_Culator> Crops and optimizes files without losing data or recompressing. [2006-12-08 19:23:54] <Cull_Tremayne> Paint is the fastest for me. [2006-12-08 19:23:57] <Riffsyphon1024> err, not that, no [2006-12-08 19:23:58] <Nightmare> I think that either JPEG, or PNG would be fine [2006-12-08 19:23:58] <Sentry_> I just use photoshop... [2006-12-08 19:23:59] <Imperialles> I just use paintshop pro =) [2006-12-08 19:23:59] <Darth_Culator> But that's too technical for a Mofference. [2006-12-08 19:24:03] <Ozzel> I've never used it, although I should. It's so that you don't add an extra level of JPEG compression when to change an image. [2006-12-08 19:24:04] <Riffsyphon1024> photodeluxe*** [2006-12-08 19:24:05] |<-- groodehdoge has left irc.freenode.net (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [2006-12-08 19:24:19] <Imperialles> Alright: Image policy is being worked on, moving discussion to releveant area [2006-12-08 19:24:20] <Imperialles> Next! [2006-12-08 19:24:22] <Riffsyphon1024> deluxe is photoshop's younger slightly retarded brother [2006-12-08 19:24:23] <AceofAces20> pic manager or paintshop [2006-12-08 19:24:24] <Ineedaname> Paint is awful for JPEGs [2006-12-08 19:24:29] <DarthOblivion> Enough [2006-12-08 19:24:30] <Ozzel> Riff, I hear ya. ;-) [2006-12-08 19:24:40] * Jaymach coughs [2006-12-08 19:24:41] <Nightmare> Next topic please? [2006-12-08 19:24:42] <Cull_Tremayne> (Riff): lol [2006-12-08 19:24:52] <Jaymach> "Source formatting for short stories and articles. Should we include specific issue for articles/short stories that come in periodicals? If so, should we seperate them with commas, or list the short story beneath the periodical with a double-asterisk bullet? Should we italicize them or place them in quotes?" [2006-12-08 19:25:00] =-= Darth_Culator has changed the topic to ``Wookieepedia Mofference -- Topic: "Source formatting for short stories and articles."'' [2006-12-08 19:25:01] |<-- RoronCorobb has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 19:25:02] <Imperialles> By jSarek [2006-12-08 19:25:13] <Wookieeperial> I'm quite fond of the basic "as in the link" formatting we use. [2006-12-08 19:25:14] <Nightmare> I think that specific issues is easier to navigate. [2006-12-08 19:25:27] <Ozzel> Hmm... good question. [2006-12-08 19:25:34] <Darth_Culator> We've been inconsistent with how to list these. [2006-12-08 19:25:34] <Riffsyphon1024> in layman's terms please? [2006-12-08 19:25:34] <Imperialles> I prefer to italicize them and not include links to the issue [2006-12-08 19:25:38] <Nightmare> Although currentally, some characters have series appearences, and others have issues [2006-12-08 19:25:50] -->| RoronCorobb (i=477355da@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-bea4c3125bee192c) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 19:26:00] <Riffsyphon1024> oh i got it now [2006-12-08 19:26:03] <DarthOblivion> Good point [2006-12-08 19:26:10] <Cull_Tremayne> Dang, and I was writing an explanation. :P [2006-12-08 19:26:14] <Darth_Culator> Often it's "Periodical - Article", sometimes it's "*Periodical **Article" [2006-12-08 19:26:16] <Riffsyphon1024> sorry cull [2006-12-08 19:26:21] <DarthOblivion> Sorry [2006-12-08 19:26:21] <Darth_Culator> Sometimes it's just Article. [2006-12-08 19:26:27] <Cull_Tremayne> I think it should be the latter. [2006-12-08 19:26:32] <Imperialles> I prefer Article [2006-12-08 19:26:35] <Darth_Culator> Sometimes it's just Periodical. [2006-12-08 19:26:49] <Cull_Tremayne> It seems much more professional, to have "*Periodical **Article" [2006-12-08 19:26:51] <Darth_Culator> I like "*Periodical **Article" because it's more specific. [2006-12-08 19:26:54] <Imperialles> if people wanna know the issue, simply click on the article link [2006-12-08 19:26:58] <Jaymach> I prefer "Periodical (if only one) **Article" [2006-12-08 19:27:00] <Nightmare> I like specifics. It makes it easier to find stuff, and an encylopedia should be easy to navigate [2006-12-08 19:27:01] <AceofAces20> hmm..... [2006-12-08 19:27:02] <Jaymach> but that's just my view [2006-12-08 19:27:02] <DarthOblivion> Shouldn't a short story be in quotes [2006-12-08 19:27:03] <Ozzel> So would that gof for Insider, Gamer, and SWAJ? [2006-12-08 19:27:08] <Cull_Tremayne> Not necessarily. [2006-12-08 19:27:09] <Darth_Culator> Same for short stories, like "Tales From" books. [2006-12-08 19:27:21] <Riffsyphon1024> i would think so [2006-12-08 19:27:30] <Jaymach> some stories are seen in multiple places, however [2006-12-08 19:27:35] <Ozzel> True [2006-12-08 19:27:40] <DarthOblivion> That's what I learned in school [2006-12-08 19:27:43] <Jaymach> most of the "Tales from" stories are also seen in the "Adventure Journals" [2006-12-08 19:27:45] <Ozzel> I almost prefer just the story name [2006-12-08 19:27:51] <DarthOblivion> The quoted thing I mean [2006-12-08 19:27:52] <Wookieeperial> The story name is a link anywya. [2006-12-08 19:27:54] <Wookieeperial> *anyway [2006-12-08 19:27:57] <Nightmare> Then just include the story name [2006-12-08 19:27:58] <Wookieeperial> Which simplifies logic. [2006-12-08 19:27:59] <Riffsyphon1024> if i may ask about another thing, i think HNN should be appearances, but i see people placing it in sources [2006-12-08 19:28:10] <Wookieeperial> Because the story then lists its appearances. [2006-12-08 19:28:15] <Cull_Tremayne> Since the story is a link, I now agree to only use the article or story as the linnk. [2006-12-08 19:28:25] <Cull_Tremayne> Agree with McEwok. [2006-12-08 19:28:25] <Nightmare> I think that it should include the story name, not the place the story appeared in [2006-12-08 19:28:55] <Imperialles> I think we're not going to get a consensus on this issue over IRC [2006-12-08 19:29:00] <Imperialles> I'll put up a CT [2006-12-08 19:29:03] <DarthOblivion> Nor do I [2006-12-08 19:29:06] <Darth_Culator> Good. Done. [2006-12-08 19:29:08] <Nightmare> Me neither [2006-12-08 19:29:09] <Cull_Tremayne> Does this topic also include the mentioning of story arcs for comics? [2006-12-08 19:29:11] <Ozzel> Yes, it would be best to be able to see all the options. [2006-12-08 19:29:24] <Cull_Tremayne> Because I totally disagree with just mentioning the arc. [2006-12-08 19:29:34] <Riffsyphon1024> i favor the issue over the arc [2006-12-08 19:29:37] <Darth_Culator> As do I. [2006-12-08 19:29:43] <Nightmare> Aye [2006-12-08 19:29:43] <Sentry_> I prefer "Article" because some stories can be found in multiple sources - short story collections, hyperspace, Adventure journal [2006-12-08 19:29:49] <Ozzel> I'm planning on bring up in CT. [2006-12-08 19:29:55] <Nightmare> Ok [2006-12-08 19:29:59] <Ozzel> *bringing [2006-12-08 19:29:59] <Riffsyphon1024> we want to specify exactly where something appeared [2006-12-08 19:30:03] <Jaymach> a CT would be good [2006-12-08 19:30:14] <Nightmare> Ok [2006-12-08 19:30:17] <Jaymach> IRC isn't a good place to vote in, unless it's unanimous :) [2006-12-08 19:30:18] <Imperialles> ok, a CT will be made [2006-12-08 19:30:21] <Imperialles> Next [2006-12-08 19:30:22] <Nightmare> Yeah [2006-12-08 19:30:22] <Darth_Culator> Did we do the WP:AP item first like Ataru wanted? [2006-12-08 19:30:25] <Jaymach> there's only one topic left [2006-12-08 19:30:27] <Jaymach> we did [2006-12-08 19:30:29] <Nightmare> Next topic [2006-12-08 19:30:30] <Darth_Culator> Good. [2006-12-08 19:30:32] =-= Darth_Culator has changed the topic to ``Wookieepedia Mofference -- Topic: "Peer review, nobody ever uses it, should we get rid of it?"'' [2006-12-08 19:30:42] <Nightmare> Peer Review? [2006-12-08 19:30:44] <Jaymach> I have to admit, I certainly don't use the Peer Review [2006-12-08 19:30:46] <Nightmare> What's that? [2006-12-08 19:30:48] <Imperialles> It's part of my plan [2006-12-08 19:30:51] <Darth_Culator> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Peer_review [2006-12-08 19:30:52] <Imperialles> wait and see =) [2006-12-08 19:30:54] <Nightmare> Never heard of it [2006-12-08 19:30:56] <Jaymach> people are meant to submit articles onto it to get others to look over them [2006-12-08 19:30:58] <DarthOblivion> I don't even know what it is. [2006-12-08 19:30:58] <Imperialles> It's being worked on [2006-12-08 19:31:02] <Darth_Culator> I've used it. [2006-12-08 19:31:04] <Ineedaname> I didn't even know we had a peer review until it was added to the agenda [2006-12-08 19:31:05] <Darth_Culator> I like it. [2006-12-08 19:31:08] <Nightmare> LAME. [2006-12-08 19:31:12] <Ozzel> It's a good idea, if it would be used. [2006-12-08 19:31:14] <AceofAces20> I don't know what it is either [2006-12-08 19:31:15] <DarthOblivion> Dumb [2006-12-08 19:31:26] <Riffsyphon1024> brb [2006-12-08 19:31:26] <Jaymach> again, it's something we could include on the Main Page if needed [2006-12-08 19:31:31] <LucidFox> it's a place for people to receive constructive criticism [2006-12-08 19:31:33] <Jaymach> possibly under IDrive [2006-12-08 19:31:35] <Imperialles> It's being worked on [2006-12-08 19:31:37] <Nightmare> "Wipe this pathetic being for the face of the Galaxy!" [2006-12-08 19:31:39] <Imperialles> !!! [2006-12-08 19:31:42] <RoronCorobb> Its hardly used, and somebody could just ask someone [2006-12-08 19:31:45] <Cull_Tremayne> What? [2006-12-08 19:31:51] <DarthOblivion> Exactly [2006-12-08 19:31:57] <Darth_Culator> We should probably move some stuff from Community Portal to Main Page. [2006-12-08 19:31:59] <RoronCorobb> if they think its ready [2006-12-08 19:32:00] <Cull_Tremayne> I think it should just be advertised more. It would be useful. [2006-12-08 19:32:16] <Cull_Tremayne> Getting rid of it, is "LAME". [2006-12-08 19:32:31] <Ozzel> Thing is, it seems to kind of overlap with FA nomination. [2006-12-08 19:32:39] <Nightmare> Yeah... [2006-12-08 19:32:41] <Sentry_> It is a good idea. I agree that it could use some more advertising. [2006-12-08 19:32:42] <Nightmare> I noticed that [2006-12-08 19:32:45] <AceofAces20> I've never seen it b4. advertising is good [2006-12-08 19:32:45] <Imperialles> It's a vital piece of the revamp [2006-12-08 19:32:50] <Cull_Tremayne> I just think that some things need Peer Review that should not be FAs. [2006-12-08 19:32:52] <Darth_Culator> Really, things should go on PR and then FA. [2006-12-08 19:32:52] <Imperialles> that I'm working on [2006-12-08 19:32:53] <Ozzel> Maybe people could pick thinks apart in peer review, THEN nominate them for FA. [2006-12-08 19:32:59] <Ozzel> *things [2006-12-08 19:33:05] <Nightmare> Maybe merge it with FA nomination? [2006-12-08 19:33:09] <Cull_Tremayne> And it should be useful to go to PR before FA. [2006-12-08 19:33:25] <Cull_Tremayne> (Ozzel): You beat me to it. [2006-12-08 19:33:32] <Darth_Culator> So did I. [2006-12-08 19:33:35] <DarthOblivion> Too much work :P [2006-12-08 19:33:36] <Darth_Culator> :-) [2006-12-08 19:33:46] <RoronCorobb> I'm out, bye everybody [2006-12-08 19:33:48] <Nightmare> lol [2006-12-08 19:33:49] <Cull_Tremayne> (Culator): You beat me to it. :P [2006-12-08 19:33:50] <Imperialles> well, I guess we've covered the agenda [2006-12-08 19:33:50] <Nightmare> Bye [2006-12-08 19:33:53] <Adamwankenobi> bye [2006-12-08 19:33:55] <Jaymach> we seem to have, yes [2006-12-08 19:33:56] |<-- RoronCorobb has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 19:33:58] <Nightmare> HORRAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [2006-12-08 19:33:59] <Jaymach> does anyone want to raise anything else? [2006-12-08 19:34:02] <Nightmare> PARTY! [2006-12-08 19:34:02] <Darth_Culator> It *should* be a lot of work to get Featured. [2006-12-08 19:34:04] <Imperialles> Yeah [2006-12-08 19:34:10] <Cull_Tremayne> Horray? [2006-12-08 19:34:19] <Imperialles> Bureaucrats -- do we need any more? [2006-12-08 19:34:20] <DarthOblivion> No pie throwing this time! [2006-12-08 19:34:24] <Nightmare> Yay, I always celebrate after a mofference [2006-12-08 19:34:28] <Nightmare> Ok... [2006-12-08 19:34:29] <Adamwankenobi> :) [2006-12-08 19:34:30] <Cull_Tremayne> The stricter the requirements the better, really. [2006-12-08 19:34:31] <AceofAces20> that was funny [2006-12-08 19:34:34] <Nightmare> no pie throwing... [2006-12-08 19:34:34] <Darth_Culator> Imp: Probably not for the time being. [2006-12-08 19:34:37] <LucidFox> Imperialles> well, there are two admins I'd like to see promoted [2006-12-08 19:34:43] <LucidFox> (no names) [2006-12-08 19:34:52] <Nightmare> Bye guys [2006-12-08 19:34:52] <Jaymach> Sikon/Riffs: care to explain what other features BC's get? [2006-12-08 19:34:56] |<-- Nightmare has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 19:34:57] <Jaymach> just so that current admins are aware [2006-12-08 19:35:00] =-= Darth_Culator has changed the topic to ``Wookieepedia Mofference -- Topic: Bureaucrat nominations?'' [2006-12-08 19:35:09] <LucidFox> Jaymach> technically, just promoting others to admins or bureaucrats [2006-12-08 19:35:14] <GHe> yes [2006-12-08 19:35:17] <LucidFox> no other features besides those regular admins have [2006-12-08 19:35:20] <Jaymach> thought so [2006-12-08 19:35:27] <Darth_Culator> And veto power. But that's a Wookiee thing, not a wiki thing. [2006-12-08 19:35:30] <Jaymach> so there's not really any more need for them as of yet [2006-12-08 19:35:33] <DarthOblivion> More power [2006-12-08 19:35:38] <LucidFox> well, that's social, not technical [2006-12-08 19:35:42] <Jaymach> in the future, if they get more control...then maybe [2006-12-08 19:35:44] <Darth_Culator> As I said. [2006-12-08 19:35:51] <Jaymach> and I wouldn't turn down the position personally :P lol [2006-12-08 19:35:55] <Adamwankenobi> Well, I'm out of here. Didn't have much to say this time. :S [2006-12-08 19:35:58] <Jaymach> but we don't truly need more at the moment, as far as I'm aware [2006-12-08 19:35:58] <Imperialles> The Bureaucrats page says they are in charge of deciding consensus in difficult cases [2006-12-08 19:36:07] <Wookieeperial> We're done? Okay. Bye, all!! [2006-12-08 19:36:15] <AceofAces20> well, put the next Mofference date up soon, and ADVERTISE it... I gotta go. [2006-12-08 19:36:15] <Imperialles> so long, McEwok [2006-12-08 19:36:19] |<-- Adamwankenobi has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 19:36:25] <Darth_Culator> "We have a longer term project that involves bringing some more interesting functionality to all wikis, but as much as possible it would be optional, so we have in mind to create an interface that allows bureaucrats to turn things on/off for their particular wiki." [2006-12-08 19:36:30] |<-- Redemption has left irc.freenode.net ("And they say I'm not a team player") [2006-12-08 19:36:34] <Darth_Culator> Johnq on http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Wiki_feature_requests [2006-12-08 19:36:37] <Wookieeperial> About 2'8", since you ask, Imp. [2006-12-08 19:36:37] <Cull_Tremayne> Five could be a good number... though I doubt others would agree. [2006-12-08 19:36:42] |<-- Wookieeperial has left irc.freenode.net [2006-12-08 19:36:52] <AceofAces20> bye [2006-12-08 19:36:56] <Darth_Culator> Five is nice and round. [2006-12-08 19:37:09] <DarthOblivion> I want to bypass admin status to Bureaucratic status! Absolute power! :) [2006-12-08 19:37:11] <Darth_Culator> Not all hard and angular like four. [2006-12-08 19:37:11] |<-- AceofAces20 has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 19:37:16] <Darth_Culator> Bah! [2006-12-08 19:37:30] <Imperialles> well we only have 2 active ones at the moment [2006-12-08 19:37:34] <Riffsyphon1024> back, what did i miss? [2006-12-08 19:37:40] <Darth_Culator> Nobody knows how to pronounce UN-LIM-I-TED POWWWWAAAHHH!!! [2006-12-08 19:37:43] <Riffsyphon1024> eh what [2006-12-08 19:37:45] <Cull_Tremayne> Possible promotion of new Bureaucrats. [2006-12-08 19:38:02] <Cull_Tremayne> Which explains all the sudden Powaaah! quotes. [2006-12-08 19:38:09] <Sentry_> : ) [2006-12-08 19:38:14] <DarthOblivion> lol [2006-12-08 19:38:18] <Riffsyphon1024> we just made Sikon one, we're good [2006-12-08 19:38:25] <Cull_Tremayne> Sikon suggested possibly recruiting two more. [2006-12-08 19:38:32] <DarthOblivion> one more [2006-12-08 19:38:32] <LucidFox> so, Riff, can I nominate two candidates at once? [2006-12-08 19:38:36] <Riffsyphon1024> did he now? [2006-12-08 19:38:46] <Darth_Culator> He's planning a coup. [2006-12-08 19:38:47] * Cull_Tremayne turns head to the floor. [2006-12-08 19:38:52] <Riffsyphon1024> just great [2006-12-08 19:38:56] <Darth_Culator> :-P [2006-12-08 19:38:58] <Jaymach> you can nominate as many as you like :P they just may not be accepted [2006-12-08 19:39:00] * Cull_Tremayne shuffles feet. [2006-12-08 19:39:05] <DarthOblivion> Nooooo! [2006-12-08 19:39:18] <Riffsyphon1024> and all I have to do is wave my veto finger [2006-12-08 19:39:27] <DarthOblivion> LOL [2006-12-08 19:39:35] <GHe> :) [2006-12-08 19:39:36] <LucidFox> wait, I'll check first if they're eligible [2006-12-08 19:39:48] <Cull_Tremayne> Now you have to quote Palps. :P [2006-12-08 19:40:02] <Riffsyphon1024> may be so but to be honest what more do we bureaucrats have that they dont as admins [2006-12-08 19:40:06] <Cull_Tremayne> You know you want to say it. [2006-12-08 19:40:11] <Darth_Culator> VETO POWAAAHHH!!! UN-LIM-I-TED VETO POWAAHHH!!! [2006-12-08 19:40:23] <Cull_Tremayne> Aaaaahhh [2006-12-08 19:40:28] <DarthOblivion> Envy. [2006-12-08 19:40:30] <LucidFox> "I love democracy. I love the wiki." [2006-12-08 19:40:40] <Cull_Tremayne> That was a sigh, not an exclamation. :P [2006-12-08 19:41:00] <Riffsyphon1024> needed more H's Cull [2006-12-08 19:41:08] <LucidFox> "The powers you give me I will lay down when this crisis has been abated!" [2006-12-08 19:41:16] <Cull_Tremayne> You're right. :P [2006-12-08 19:41:20] <DarthOblivion> LucidFox>You said it [2006-12-08 19:41:30] |<-- JainaSolo has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 19:41:34] <Riffsyphon1024> what crisis? [2006-12-08 19:41:52] <Imperialles> I suppose we can officially declare this Mofference over. [2006-12-08 19:41:59] <Jaymach> indeed [2006-12-08 19:42:00] <DarthOblivion> He'll make one [2006-12-08 19:42:00] <Imperialles> Now for the Nach-Mofference [2006-12-08 19:42:01] <LucidFox> yes [2006-12-08 19:42:02] <Ineedaname> The freely editable crisis [2006-12-08 19:42:04] <Darth_Culator> The one he has to create in order to get emergency powers and a clone army. [2006-12-08 19:42:06] <Riffsyphon1024> we've finished all the topics? [2006-12-08 19:42:13] <Imperialles> Aye [2006-12-08 19:42:13] <Cull_Tremayne> Though more Bureaucrats could probably help resolve close votes and such. [2006-12-08 19:42:21] =-= LucidFox has changed the topic to ``Post-Mofference'' [2006-12-08 19:42:27] <Riffsyphon1024> of course [2006-12-08 19:42:29] <Imperialles> Cull: exactly [2006-12-08 19:42:31] <Cull_Tremayne> Since we always have to email WhiteBoy to get him to make a decision. [2006-12-08 19:42:34] <DarthOblivion> Six at most [2006-12-08 19:42:52] =-= Darth_Culator has changed the topic to ``Wookieepedia: Post-Mofference -- Open floor, but no pies.'' [2006-12-08 19:42:53] <Cull_Tremayne> No even numbers! [2006-12-08 19:42:59] <Riffsyphon1024> or we could just call his cell [2006-12-08 19:43:08] -->| leaspter (i=cded2fcb@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-3a9ec6a212079df2) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 19:43:11] <Cull_Tremayne> Put it on speed dial. :P [2006-12-08 19:43:23] <Imperialles> he's addicted to this "WoW" thing... we need to make a wiki-intervention [2006-12-08 19:43:30] <Riffsyphon1024> or I could just drive to Arkansas, not far [2006-12-08 19:43:31] <Jaymach> I generally get him on Skype, when I really need him [2006-12-08 19:43:38] <Riffsyphon1024> oh great, effing WoW [2006-12-08 19:43:42] <Sentry_> I think that we could use some more input on http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:"Notable"_fansites [2006-12-08 19:43:44] <GHe> and take down the current sitenotice [2006-12-08 19:43:57] <Cull_Tremayne> We've lost to many good people do that...thing. :P [2006-12-08 19:44:03] <DarthOblivion> He's addicted to WoW? Noooo!!! [2006-12-08 19:44:05] <Jaymach> curious: do any of the other admins actually use their @wookieepedia.com e-mail addresses? lol [2006-12-08 19:44:06] <Riffsyphon1024> it IS a thing [2006-12-08 19:44:15] <Riffsyphon1024> i dont [2006-12-08 19:44:22] <Jaymach> I've used it once [2006-12-08 19:44:24] <DarthOblivion> I wouldn't [2006-12-08 19:44:30] <Riffsyphon1024> but you know where to find me [2006-12-08 19:44:34] <Cull_Tremayne> It's not a thing, it simply...IS. [2006-12-08 19:44:35] <Imperialles> I've used it once, for about 1 year [2006-12-08 19:44:40] <GHe> b/c you get used to the norm email [2006-12-08 19:44:54] <Imperialles> I was MT of a Nax guild, had 7/9 tier3 and all... [2006-12-08 19:45:00] <Riffsyphon1024> ok ok [2006-12-08 19:45:14] <Riffsyphon1024> do you want me to give you 3000 gold too? [2006-12-08 19:45:27] <Imperialles> No, I don't play anymore :p [2006-12-08 19:45:34] <LucidFox> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Requests_for_bureaucratship <-- nominated [2006-12-08 19:45:38] <Riffsyphon1024> thats good to hear [2006-12-08 19:45:43] <DarthOblivion> I want gold [2006-12-08 19:46:00] <Riffsyphon1024> two more... [2006-12-08 19:46:02] <Jaymach> hey, cool :) [2006-12-08 19:46:07] <Jaymach> thanks Sikon [2006-12-08 19:46:10] <LucidFox> the nominees are present here on IRC, so I won't bother to inform them :) [2006-12-08 19:46:23] * LucidFox pokes Darth_Culator, just in case [2006-12-08 19:46:30] <Riffsyphon1024> i'm going to give those votes a while to go before I have any say on them [2006-12-08 19:46:39] <LucidFox> ok [2006-12-08 19:46:47] <Riffsyphon1024> and frankly I think there's someone else just as deserving [2006-12-08 19:47:26] <DarthOblivion> That seems a bit cruel [2006-12-08 19:47:28] * Darth_Culator would like to remind everyone that There Is No Cabal. [2006-12-08 19:47:34] <Riffsyphon1024> cruel? [2006-12-08 19:47:37] <Darth_Culator> Sorry, I was getting dinner. [2006-12-08 19:47:40] <Ozzel> I just know there's gonna be a Cabal one of these days, and I want to be around to see it when it happens. [2006-12-08 19:48:02] <LucidFox> Ozzel> you see... [2006-12-08 19:48:08] <LucidFox> a cabal is only good when it's secret [2006-12-08 19:48:18] <Darth_Culator> Which is why we don't have one. [2006-12-08 19:48:21] <LucidFox> if it has been exposed, it's no cabal [2006-12-08 19:48:22] <Riffsyphon1024> there is no cabal [2006-12-08 19:48:27] <Imperialles> I'll be back in 20, going to watch Family Guy. When I return I'll delete hundreds of images [2006-12-08 19:48:29] <DarthOblivion> Nope [2006-12-08 19:48:40] <LucidFox> which is part of the justification for these noms :) [2006-12-08 19:48:48] <DarthOblivion> Yay! Deletion [2006-12-08 19:48:50] <Ozzel> I already have the next batch of images ready, Imp. [2006-12-08 19:48:57] <Imperialles> great [2006-12-08 19:49:01] <DarthOblivion> Have fun. [2006-12-08 19:49:11] <Riffsyphon1024> im going to head for wookiee and off here myself [2006-12-08 19:49:53] <Ineedaname> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Oondar&curid=40101&diff=895342&oldid=881048 [2006-12-08 19:49:57] <Ineedaname> Is this fanon? [2006-12-08 19:50:17] <Jaymach> it is, yes [2006-12-08 19:50:26] <Riffsyphon1024> it says KOTOR 2 [2006-12-08 19:50:27] <Darth_Culator> The Bounty Hunter wars were thousands of years later, so yes. [2006-12-08 19:50:29] <Cull_Tremayne> Oondar? [2006-12-08 19:50:39] <Jaymach> that was my justification as well, Culator [2006-12-08 19:51:02] <Ozzel> Revert it, if only on grounds of lack of ending punctuation. :-P [2006-12-08 19:51:10] <Jaymach> Culator did already :P [2006-12-08 19:51:12] <Sentry_> Wow, that was one long-lived duro [2006-12-08 19:51:15] * Jaymach tried to do it, but wasn't quick enough [2006-12-08 19:51:24] <DarthOblivion> Reminds me of one of those Duros brothers in KOTOR II. [2006-12-08 19:51:28] <Riffsyphon1024> alright, im out of IRC [2006-12-08 19:51:37] <Ozzel> Toodles [2006-12-08 19:51:38] <Ineedaname> Zhug brothers [2006-12-08 19:51:45] |<-- Riffsyphon1024 has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 19:51:58] -->| fatguy2006 (i=4574b139@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-4b491a6b19a0cadb) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 19:52:03] <Jaymach> oh, Imp...did you the message I left on your talk page? [2006-12-08 19:52:05] <DarthOblivion> No the two brothers. One is involved in the Black Market [2006-12-08 19:52:14] -->| Tnu (i=410c104e@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-f95cbe0fc1f2e0d5) has joined #wookieepedia [2006-12-08 19:52:17] <Imperialles> Did I the message? [2006-12-08 19:52:26] <Jaymach> sorry, get the message :P [2006-12-08 19:52:55] <DarthOblivion> On the station above Telos [2006-12-08 19:52:56] |<-- Tnu has left irc.freenode.net (Remote closed the connection) [2006-12-08 19:52:57] <Ozzel> Somebody set up us the bomb [2006-12-08 19:53:04] <Imperialles> Yes, sorry for being so slow =) [2006-12-08 19:53:52] <Cull_Tremayne> Imp wasn't nominated? [2006-12-08 19:53:52] <DarthOblivion> Tnu was here?! [2006-12-08 19:54:20] <Ineedaname> Tnu joined and left in less than a minute [2006-12-08 19:54:20] <Jaymach> he comes here often [2006-12-08 19:54:21] |<-- fatguy2006 has left irc.freenode.net (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) [2006-12-08 19:54:24] <Jaymach> we kick him out a lot [2006-12-08 19:54:34] <DarthOblivion> He he he [2006-12-08 19:54:45] <Cull_Tremayne> Did we intentionally make the notice smaller than last time? [2006-12-08 19:55:05] <Cull_Tremayne> Cause weren't there around 60 people last time? [2006-12-08 19:55:09] <Jaymach> 'ta for the change of vote, Imp :) [2006-12-08 19:55:24] <Jaymach> we had the notice up for several days before the Mofference, last time [2006-12-08 19:55:30] <Jaymach> at least, I remember it that way [2006-12-08 19:55:35] <Ineedaname> And flashing in red :D [2006-12-08 19:55:39] <DarthOblivion> Remember the lag, the horrible lag [2006-12-08 19:55:44] <Imperialles> yes, we got too much people last time [2006-12-08 19:55:49] * Darth_Culator doesn't want to remember. [2006-12-08 19:55:52] <Imperialles> It was pure hell [2006-12-08 19:56:14] <DarthOblivion> Had to leaveand rejoin countless times [2006-12-08 19:56:16] * Jaymach wasn't able to make the last one, so doesn't remember [2006-12-08 19:56:46] <Ozzel> Yeah, last time was a mess. [2006-12-08 19:57:16] <LucidFox> and it's my fault... [2006-12-08 19:57:26] <Ozzel> Everyone thought it was a party. We had people registering just so they could join the Mofference. [2006-12-08 19:57:55] <Jaymach> really? fah [2006-12-08 19:57:56] <LucidFox> remember, remember Sikon's stupid "remember, remember" thing... [2006-12-08 19:58:06] <Cull_Tremayne> I was never ousted, so I found it hilarious. :D [2006-12-08 19:58:07] <DarthOblivion> Remember, remember, the __ of November! Can't remember the date [2006-12-08 19:58:09] <Ozzel> I don't think I can forget. :-p [2006-12-08 19:58:09] <Jaymach> lol [2006-12-08 19:58:31] <GHe> I think the flashing "1 hour" made it popular [2006-12-08 19:58:33] <GHe> :P [2006-12-08 19:58:37] <LucidFox> DarthOblivion> http://qdb.lucidfox.org/browse [2006-12-08 19:58:40] <LucidFox> GHe> lol [2006-12-08 19:58:40] <Jaymach> I was rather impressed that you knew that phrase, seeing as you don't live in the UK [2006-12-08 19:58:41] <Ineedaname> I have screenshots of that [2006-12-08 19:58:48] <LucidFox> Jaymach> V for Vendetta ;) [2006-12-08 19:58:51] <Jaymach> ah [2006-12-08 19:58:56] <Jaymach> good point