Talk:Ki-Adi-Mundi/Legends

Age
Ki-Adi cannot be that old. He was four years old when entering the Jedi temple, after being discovered by the human An'ya Kuro! That happened 67 BBY, so he must be born in 71 BBY, right? --84.172.236.136 21:38, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and added your proposed birth date. What sources do you have on this? --Imperialles 21:46, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * The "vow of justice" comic appearance of young Ki-Adi-Mundi. According to jedinet.com, vow of justice takes place 67BBY. --Gen.d 21:55, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks --Imperialles 21:57, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Does the source itself say that? Or just jedinet.com?--SparqMan 22:03, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * If this is correct, then An'ya Kuro's birthdate can be dropped back a bit. She's only in her twenties when she finds Ki-Adi-Mundi. QuentinGeorge 22:48, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, re-reading the comic. Vow of Justice is also about a newly-knighted Ki-Adi-Mundi returning to Cerea. He'd be in his twenties then. It's probably this, and not the "flashback" at the beginning of the comic, that the date is referring to. QuentinGeorge 23:19, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh well, 73 years of age isn't that old. --Imperialles 06:59, 28 May 2005 (UTC)
 * He was a knight but later became a master
 * Obviously, there's stilla problem with it. The article still says he was born 92 BBY, and Anaya Kuro's article says she was born circa 100 BBY. Are we suggesting she discovered him when she was around 8 years old? :p LelalMekha 12:50, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

Ki-Adi-Mundi's saber color
In Jedi Power Battles, Ki-Adi-Mundi saber is blue, and the Ki-Adi-Mundi Episode I Action Figure has a blue saber. Therefore, in Episode I Ki-Adi-Mundi had a blue lightsaber, right?
 * Well see the problem is those were made before Episode II (the first time we saw Ki-Adi's lightsaber), so nobody knew what color it was. I suppose he could've gotten a different one in between episodes (there might be an EU story on that, I'm not sure). MarcK 19:16, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, what lightsaber style did KI-Adi-Mundi use??? User:General Secura
 * Pre-Ep. II lightsabers shouldn't be taken into consideration unless blue or green, correct? There were no other colors in the old Order... --Master Starkeiller 20:06, 20 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Not exactly. I believe pre-Ep2 lightsaber colours are still canon for the period they appear in.QuentinGeorge 20:34, 20 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * his saber color during the phantom menace was GREEN! then like all jedi when he became a master he switched it to blue!
 * Rubbish. Qui-Gon Jinn and Yoda had a green lightsaber as a Master. Color has nothing to do with rank. QuentinGeorge 20:17, 22 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * i kno it has nothing to do with rank but when a jedi is put on the council they change there blade and sometimes color! he went from green to blue!
 * No, his old saber was purple. He never wielded a green blade, except when he temporarily had one at Geonosis. QuentinGeorge 20:29, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * it was temporialy at the battle someone messed up and instead of a flash of blue they put green in!
 * and there is only one jedi with a record of a purple blade and thats Windu and thats only becuase he requested it to Geroge Lucas! dont forget no star wars is fake!
 * General Secura : You're question is listed below. Eon Kaaz 20:16, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah movie's are high canon. Its funny how actor's choices can influence the rest of the lore.
 * stop the exclamation points!

Mundi's Lightsaber Form
In what source does it say that Ki-Adi is a master of Form II? Not to toot my own horn, but I consider myself relatively knowledgable about which Jedi practice which of the forms. As for this case, I had thought that Form II was a form relatively abandoned by the Jedi since the time of the old Sith, when Jedi could actually expect to engage in one on one lightsaber combat with a Sith. Even Dooku, as far as I know, only started practicing this form AFTER he came under the tutelage of Sidious. In the case of Mundi, I can't recall having heard any information on which form he uses, least of all Makashi/Form II. The only notable thing I've heard about his lightsaber technique is that for the most part, he wields his saber in one hand, instead of the more common dual-handed grip.--Knightfall 00:36, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC) -yoda1300, 1/13/06, 8:37 am, (eastern standard time) -yoda1300 Cereans had bad coordination. Makashi requires extreme precision, grace, and coordination. How then could he have practiced makashi? he would've been horrible, and therefore, he must have either practiced or mastered ataru, since he was Yoda's padawan. Yoda's the man. -Yoda1300
 * No idea where that comes from. It seems unlikely, since Dooku's mastership of Form II is considered very rare. QuentinGeorge 00:41, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Shall we remove it from the article then?--Knightfall 00:50, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * We have not seen him fighting much. My bet is that he is the practitioner of Ataru. From what we saw of him in EpIII, he was acrobatic, considering his age at least. - TopAce 11:30, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Wait Wait wait, i always thought ki-adi-mundi was either master or practitioner (at laest) of form 2. i dont know where i got that from, i probably haerd it around. but look at him on genosis. granted, he doesnt use swift, graceful moves like dooko- or even of someone you would think practices form 2....ataru, then? i dunno, email george lucas about it, or something. hes not all taht acrobatic in Revenge of the Sith. he was just deflecting the bolts as you would expect him to, given his level of skill and obviously large testicle size (FOUR WIVES![pimp...])
 * p.s.- dooko was the man for mastering makashi
 * new proof he did not master makashi(form II):
 * Cereans probably had bad coordination, but Ki-Adi was a Jedi Master.. that changes on things. Remember that a 82-year-old is normally nor as quick as Dooku for example. - TopAce 20:21, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * being a jedi master doesnt exempt him from having bad coordination. thats like saying that since mace was a master, he could fully control his feelings; he couldnt, he just channelled them into a light feeling. his bad coordination is something within his blood, above the force.Yoda1300 22:15, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * he lasted a long time against grievous. few ever did. he's a possible form III practitioner
 * Actually this is a good point especially since he lasted so long in the Arena In AOTC and held his own against so many clones in ROTS, he's very likely a Form 3 user, but as Darth Vatrir pointed out we need a source. Jacenskylo 22:38, 19 November 2007 (UTC)
 * We need a source stating his lightsaber form, speculation won't cut it. Darth Vatrir

First to die?
This is really a minor issue, but can we safely assume that Ki-Adi was one of the first Jedi to die? That the movie shows him die first does not unconditionally mean he was truly the first to die. Remember that there are only a few (four) Jedi who are shown die, the order in which they are killed probably means nothing in the movie. I see no logical explanation why Palpatine first issued the order to Commander Cody against Obi-Wan, why not against Yoda? The only Jedi who could probably be match for him? I don't remove this line... why? I just think I could ask it. - TopAce 11:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well think about it: the order is given once (says the book), and that means that millions of commanders and their troops all over the galaxy aim and shoot at their particular jedi general. In those 2 seconds, think of how many die at once. Most likely no one knows who was the first to die, because hundreds-maybe thousands- died within mili-seconds of eachother. It's tough to say. My guess is that the reason they showed his particular death is because of all the input he had throughout the movie. Eon Kaaz 20:33, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, he was the only one with his lightsaber activated, and thus most recognizable as a Jedi. To the casual movie-goer, Aayla hardly has the appearance of a Jedi Knight, and Plo Koon might be seen simply as a Republic pilot rather than a Jedi - since, in this time of Jedi Interceptors, his older-style Delta-7 may not be linked directly with the Jedi by some - Kwenn 16:09, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I removed this "he was one of the FIRST to die" thing, since we cannot safely say he was chronologically one of the first to die. That he is shown to be the first to die does not mean he was the first of the thousands of Jedi to be shot. If you have any problems with that, feel free to discuss it here. - TopAce 10:59, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It is likely that all the jedi who they showed dying died at the same time. I think order 66 was sent out to every battalion of clone troops as a mass message. Then again the clone that ordered the attack on obi wan responded. --Dumac 19:32, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Knight or Master?
In Episode III, Anakin said that one couldn't be on the Jedi council and not be a Master, and that it never happened in the history of the Jedi. But wasn't Ki-Adi only a Knight when he became a member of the Jedi Council?

Aayla Secura
This article says that Ki-Adi-Mundi is the onlyone of his strike team to survive the attack from General Grievous on Hypori. It states that he is accompanied by Shaak Ti, Tarr Seirr, K'Kruhk, Sha'a Gi, Daakman Barrek, and relevant here, Aayla Secura. I can say for a fact that the blue Twi'lek killed on the flowered plant of Felucia after the initiation of Order 66 is in fact Aayla Secura. In the Clone Wars animated series, we only see General Grievous's arrival and intimidation of the Jedi strike team. She is also a playable character in the video game Star Wars Battlefront 2, on the same planet. I don't feel I have the authority to change this, so I request that this be changed... Darth Orrorin 15:58, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * It says only that he was the last one standing&mdash;which is true, since Shaak, K'Kruhk and Aayla were wounded in the battle - Kwenn 16:07, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry :) 66.227.177.201

Didn't the actor ...
who played him also play Nute Gunray ?TK867 04:59, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep. jSarek 05:48, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, Silas Carson played both characters plus a few others too. -- Riffsyphon1024 05:48, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Why is Ki-Adi's appointment to the Council as a Knight still regarded as canon?
Hi. Look, forgive the new guy; I freely admit that I'm not entirely clear how the canon system here works in practice, but my understanding is that in principle any source which is later contradicted by something in an actual film is automatically decanonised, right? Okay, so, in light of that I don't understand why Ki-Adi's status as a knight when inducted into the High Council (especially since this was never actually mentioned in any film) hasn't been automatically overwritten by Ep.III's very un-ambiguous declaration that no one's ever been appointed to the council without being a Master (before Anakin) in the entire "history of the Jedi Order". So, why does that not retcon Ki-Adi being a Knight upon his appointment? Is there some loophole reason which isn't stated here in his file? If so, it should be here. If not, shouldn't we delete the satement that he was a knight at the time? Because otherwise it strikes me as a clear violation of a higher level of canon (RotS).

On a similar note, I'm sure I read in some official roleplaying book or guide to characters that they got around the "no attachments" problem with his previously-established family by stating that there was a "low Cerean birthrate" and thus he'd been given special dispensation. Does anyone know where this is from? Because I think it should be in his file too if it's canon. Hope some people can help me out on these issues.

Thanks, DarthBinks. "How can I be in the Council, and not be a Master? That hasn't happened in the history of the Jedi Order since-"
 * It will probably be retconned at some point in the future, but you never know.
 * Actually, I would like to point out something. Anakin's actual quote is:


 * (Boldface mine)
 * Obviously, there has been someone before him inducted into the Council as a Knight. But Anakin seems to think it was a long time ago. If Ki-Adi was inducted a long time ago, then this is the solution. Nick sponge 11:08, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Ki-Adi-Mundi was inducted in 32 BBY. Definitely not long ago. QuentinGeorge 11:28, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Quentin's right on. If Anakin makes his comment in 19 BBY, this makes Mundi's acceptance only 13 years ago, which means Anakin himself was ALIVE when it happened. :-) BaronGrackle 11:34, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Personally, I understand the notion Anakin could have had his facts wrong. However, I'm of the belief this is one of the cases where the EU jumped the gun to give Ki-Adi a unique angle for his solo stories and it's contradicted where Lucas chose to go. I find it funny a Star Wars Wiki is pussyfooting around this whilst the more well known Wikipedia is able to just accept this is an occassion of the EU being proven wrong and how this part of his EU history has been retconned to the idea his promotion to master was pending during the stories he's referred to as the only night on the council. At the end of the day, the movies are THE canon. Don't let love or a desire to justify the money you've paid out for novels, comics etc make you put more worth in the EU than it deserves. If the movies say being a master and being on the council go hand in hand, it's fact.--80.1.88.15 00:15, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * In his frustration Anakin probably just exaggerated or made a mistake.--Darth Oblivion 00:26, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, certainly people don't speak in 100% accurate truthful statments (It's following 'logic' such as that which has some fans questioning Kenobi's "I haven't gone by that name since, oh, before you were born" line, ignoring that he's generalising and also trying to keep certain key things hidden from Luke) and it is quite possible Anakin was mistaken or twisting facts due to his anger. However, nothing in the films says Ki-Adi was a knight. That's all backstory created for the EU and reference books. From the films, all we can really assume is he's just another vocal Master on the council and that seems to be the direction Lucas went. I personally think the article would be wise to address it as such, not just jumping to the conclusion Anakin was wrong to please the EU fans.--80.1.184.120 10:06, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's also notable that Obi-Wan doesn't correct Anakin when he makes the statement that it's never been done before, instead reassuring him that the situation is like nothing that has ever come before. -BaronGrackle 00:58, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * With regard to the retcon, there's an interesting exchange in Republic #8, where The Dark Woman asks "Perhaps I should call you 'Master Ki' now", and Ki answers "No--not a Master... and barely on the Council". This suggests that Ki could have claimed the title of Master automatically by virtue of his Council seat, and we can easily accept that he's being cautious and Cerean about going through an automatic process of promotion. The Databank also picks up on "barely on the Council" by stressing that his position only became permanent after Outlander. Seen in these terms, Anakin's protest in RotS makes sense: Anakin shows no surprise about being raised to the Council as a knight, which shows that this has happened before; but whereas Ki took promotion slowly and cautiously, Anakin would have just seized the title if the Council hadn't blocked him, showing Anakin's ego in nice contrast to Ki's restraint. Does this make sense of the situation? --McEwok 01:26, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

?????
who and what were the names of ki-adi's daughters????
 * First, please sign your comments with four tidles (~) Second, if it were known, it would be in Wookieepedia already. - TopAce 15:42, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, here is the deal, Jedis can't be married (But anakin broke that rule), so Ki-Adi-Mundi couldn't been married and thus, HE CAN'T HAVE CHILDREN!!!!!!!Olsonman 14:29, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * First off, this is a dead subject...the last post was almost a year ago. Secondly, don't yell. Thirdly, Ki-Adi-Mundi was allowed to marry as detailed in Star Wars Republic: Prelude to Rebellion, and explained in the first few sentences of the article. Also, you can find the explanation in our article on Polygyny. Please read the article, or at least do some research before hand, before posting on a talk page. Greyman ( Paratus ) 14:39, 9 October 2007 (UTC)

Main quote
Isn't there a better one than this? It is (a)very specific to a certain context and (b) not, in my opinion, adequately descriptive of the character. Shouldn't we have one that is less context sensitive and tells us more about the character that his fighting capabilities? -  Angel Blue (Holonet) 16:30, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. Any ideas? Red Head Rider 19:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree too.

Shaak Ti
Did he have a relationaship w/Ti? When she is fighting Grevious, I think she calls out his name, and he springs into action, inaddition to this, when he sees her hurt body, he seems especially aggreived (no pun intended) by her condition. Therequiembellishere 22:36, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Only Minor Jedi with a speaking role
"Behind the Scenes" claims he is the only minor jedi character with a speaking role in the prequels. Wouldn't this include Jocasta Nu, and the Padawans in the "Yoda and the Younglings" scene as well? --ShadowEdge 03:51, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You're right about that. It should read something like the only minor Jedi Council character to have had a speaking role. [EDIT] I changed it, does that sound better? - TopAce 15:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Death
How many clones does he actually kill/wound when he is killed during Order 66? In the movie I see one fall down, and he might have lived or died, but in the article it currently states that he wounded 2. Is there any definite source to state how many he actually did kill/wound? Roron Corobb  holocron  15:11, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * As far as the film shows, he definately deflects a shot into the chest of a left-hand clone, but another deflection is dodged by a clone in the middle of the bunch. It appears he doesn't manage to deflect any further shots, as he's hit in the chest immediately after. So, as far as G-canon goes, he (possibly, may just have wounded) kills only one - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 15:33, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Mygeeto
The RotS novel states that just prior to Obi-Wan leaving for Utapau, Ki-Adi is "en route to Mygeeto". However, Battlefront II has the battle starting prior to the invasion of Coruscant ("in the waning months of the Clone Wars" according to the 501st journal), with Mundi present. I believe also one of the Clone Wars Adventures comics ends with Mundi being assigned to Mygeeto. Also, the Databank says it was an "extended campaign". Any way we can reconcile this? - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 11:33, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The Mygeeto campaign could have begun earlier, with Ki-Adi-Mundi present, and he had returned to Coruscant on some Jedi business, and the ROTS novel statement is talking about him returning to Mygeeto. Maybe? - JMAS 13:01, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Son?
Perhaps I'm mistaken, but I only seem to recall him having daughters (in fact the point of Prelude to Rebellion was him learning to value his daughters rather than longing for a son). Just curious where the source is that says he has a son? Vryce 05:08, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

Image
Somebody changed the image from Ki-Adi weilding his lightsaber to his head. I'm not angry but i'm just asking why.--Windu223 19:40, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I like the headshots for important characters. I think it looks good. If no one else is in agreement feel free to revert it. Purpilia 01:06, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--Windu223 00:08, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Polygamy vs. Polygyny
Would it be better to say Ki-Adi was Polygynous instead of Polygamous? ~ Jaywin
 * I'd say so, yes. Unit 8311 16:45, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Species
How does he have sex?
 * Please tell me you are kidding! supergeeky1 [[Image:BobaFett.jpg|20px]] The Cantina 22:58, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * A male Cerean puts his erect penis inside the vagina of a female Cerean. Then he puts it in another. Then another. etc, etc. QuentinGeorge 09:31, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That was a silly Question - The Unknown Jedi

Form II practitioner - again!
I removed a sentence in BtS that says Ki-Adi was a Makashi practitioner. I sternly believe there is still no canonical source for that. - TopAce (Talk) 20:00, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Good because he isn't one. Darth Byss 02:48, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Sourcing
Just for start: what is the source for him taking Anakin as Padawan after Obi-Wan's 'death'? Domlith 15:37, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I remember reading it in the Databank, but there must be a source other than that. Maybe the Clone Wars cartoon? - TopAce (Talk) 15:42, 18 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Republic 62. --Borsk Fey'lya  Talk 16:25, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

3rd Best lightsaber duellist in the order
Any source on this one? Common sense says he’s the orders fifth best swordsman as of ROTS. He cant be better then the big 4 (Kenobi, Skywalker, Windu & Yoda) because Grevious beat him, however he also held Grevious for a long time, Grevious hammered Ventress, who outdueled Fisto etc. Also considering Lucas considered Mundi to be one of the senior triumvirate shouldn’t he be a lifetime member of the council?
 * Removed that line from the "abilities and traits" section. Common knowledge (as explained by the nice gent above) and horrible grammar indicated clear fanboy-ism. 213.224.7.236 15:11, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Birth date
Star Wars: The Comics Companion says that Ki-Adi-Mundi was 25 in 88 BBY, making his birth date 113 BBY. The source for this is Star Wars Republic: Vow of Justice, which takes place in 88 BBY. However, our article has it in 67 BBY, and Ki being born in 92 BBY. What's up?  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 20:27, 9 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Vow of Justice starts in 88 BBY with a 4 year-old Ki-Adi-Mundi being discovered by the Dark Woman and ends with Ki returning to his homeworld in 67 BBY as a 25 year-old Jedi Knight. --Borsk Fey'lya  Talk 14:22, 10 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah. Thanks for explaining it.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 14:25, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

The Clone Wars?

 * Does anyone know if there is an in-Universe reason as to why Ki-Adi-Mundi hasn't been in The Clone Wars film or TV series yet? He doesn't even seem to appear to be sitting in the High Council Chamber. If he is in fact in the series and I've missed him, could someone please add the episodes in the appearances section? Thanks, 03:24, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

Jedi Master

 * In the article it states he's a jedi master at the beginning of it but it doesn't mention when he was promoted or anything else about him being a jedi master--User:DieJARJARDIE 09:52, 2 January 2009 (UTC)