Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Log/2010 June 5

[19:59] <@Culator|Away> Alrighty then. [20:00] <@Culator|Away> !topic [20:00] <@Nuku-Nuku> Culator|Away: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Meeting_Thirty-three [20:00] * Tommy9281 (~chatzilla@REDACTED) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [20:00] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Tommy9281 [20:00] * Nuku-Nuku sets mode: +o Tommy9281 [20:00] <@ChackJadson> Bacon! [20:00] <@Culator|Away> Robot roll call! [20:00] <@Culator|Away> !hieverybody [20:00] <@Nuku-Nuku> Hello, CC7567, ChackJadson, ChanServ, Culator|Away, GrandMoffTranner, Nuku-Nuku, Tommy9281, and Toprawa !!! [20:00] <@ChackJadson> Autobots, assemble! [20:00] <@Toprawa> First order of bidness, I'd like to discuss some prospective new members. [20:00] <@GrandMoffTranner> Let's dew it. ... [Redacted super-secret satanic pirate-ninja cabal stuff. Tom Cruise sacrificed a baby to Xenu. Punch and pie were served.] ... [20:07] <@Toprawa> If our super-secret ninja cabalist discussion is over, then, let us proceed. [20:07] * @Culator|Away has no strong opinions one way or another. [20:07] <@CC7567> Mind if I invite Ataru? [20:08] <@CC7567> He asked to sit in [20:08] * Culator|Away sets mode: -i [20:08] <@Toprawa> If no one has anything else, this can now be open to the public. [20:08] <@CC7567> Okay [20:08] <@GrandMoffTranner> Might as well invite in the new and readmitted members as well. [20:08] * Graestan (~chatzilla@wikia/Graestan) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [20:08] -ChanServ- Flags +vVoOtsriRA were set on Graestan in #wookieepedia-inquisitorius. [20:09] <@Toprawa> Welcome back, Graestan [20:09] * ChackJadson sets mode: +o Graestan [20:09] <@Graestan> voice me! [20:09] -ChanServ- Flags +vVoOtsriRA were set on Xicer9 in #wookieepedia-inquisitorius. [20:09] * @Graestan is BACK [20:09] * ChackJadson sets mode: +v Graestan [20:09] <@GrandMoffTranner> Back in black? [20:09] <@Toprawa> First thing, probed articles from last meeting [20:09] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Danni_Quee [20:09] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Danni_Quee [20:10] <@Toprawa> Seems fixed. [20:10] <@Culator|Away> One issue listed, one issue fixed. [20:10] <@ChackJadson> Keep [20:10] <@Toprawa> Keep [20:10] <@GrandMoffTranner> Keep. [20:11] <@CC7567> Keep [20:11] <@Tommy9281> Keep. [20:11] <@Toprawa> Danni Quee kept. [20:11] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zsinj [20:11] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Zsinj_(second_review) [20:11] <@Toprawa> I defer to Culator on this [20:11] <@Culator|Away> On this one, I got help with the things I didn't need help with and didn't get help with the one thing I asked for help on. [20:12] <@Culator|Away> So either keep it as it is, or extend it so I can get some P&T assistance. I think it's fine as it is. [20:12] <@GrandMoffTranner> What do you need help with? [20:12] <@Culator|Away> Someone thinks P&T needs expansion. It's all fluff anyway. [20:13] <@Tommy9281> I think it can be kept. [20:13] <@Culator|Away> Everything else is pretty well revamped: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Zsinj&diff=3127883&oldid=3067091 [20:13] <@Toprawa> I could vote keep too [20:13] <@CC7567> Keep, then, since it looks fine [20:13] <@GrandMoffTranner> Yeah, keep. [20:13] <@Toprawa> Zsinj kept. [20:14] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Eugene_Talmont [20:14] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Eugene_Talmont [20:14] <@Culator|Away> That was fixed before we probed it. :P [20:14] * @Graestan (~chatzilla@wikia/Graestan) Quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds) [20:14] <@Toprawa> heh [20:14] <@Toprawa> Keep [20:14] <@GrandMoffTranner> Keepify. [20:14] * @Culator|Away was voting keep there. [20:15] <@CC7567> Keep [20:15] * Ataru (~chatzilla@wikia/Ataru) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [20:15] <@Tommy9281> Keep. [20:15] <@Toprawa> Eugene Talmont kept. [20:15] <@ChackJadson> Keep [20:15] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gha_Nachkt [20:15] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Gha_Nachkt [20:15] <@Tommy9281> Ataru. [20:15] <@Toprawa> Apparently updated. [20:15] <@Culator|Away> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Gha_Nachkt&diff=3099607&oldid=3067121 [20:15] <@Culator|Away> Only listed thing fixed. Keep. [20:15] <@CC7567> Keep [20:16] <@GrandMoffTranner> Looks good. Keep. [20:16] <@Toprawa> Keep [20:16] <@Tommy9281> I agree. [20:16] <@Toprawa> Gha Nachkt kept [20:16] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Teneniel_Djo [20:16] * Xicer9 (~hasankhan@REDACTED) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [20:16] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Xicer9 [20:16] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Teneniel_Djo [20:16] <@Culator|Away> Not a thing done. [20:17] <@Toprawa> Welcome to the Inq, Xicer [20:17] <@Xicer9> Hello. [20:17] <@CC7567> Welcome to your doom :P [20:17] <@CC7567> Kill for Djo [20:17] <@ChackJadson> Slice and xice [20:17] <@Toprawa> We're currently voting on whether to keep or remove the FA status on Djo [20:17] <@Toprawa> I vote kill as well [20:17] <@Xicer9> Well this was unexpected. [20:17] <@ChackJadson> kill [20:18] <@GrandMoffTranner> Killify. [20:18] <@Toprawa> Teneniel Djo killed. [20:18] <@Xicer9> Teneniel...very much kill [20:18] <@Xicer9> Oh, nevermind =P [20:18] <@Toprawa> No worries. [20:18] <@Toprawa> Once I get enough consensus I have a tendency to keep the train moving :P [20:18] <@Toprawa> Now articles that had their probation extended from last meeting [20:18] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jaina_Solo [20:19] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Jaina_Solo_(second_review) [20:19] <@CC7567> Epic meh. [20:19] <@Xicer9> Ataru's been working on it diligently [20:19] <@ChackJadson> Keep [20:19] <@Culator|Away> Either keep or extend again. There's been a LOT of work done on it. [20:19] <@Toprawa> To voice Fiolli's absentee comments, he said he wouldn't mind extending probe one last time [20:19] <@Xicer9> How much more is still needed? [20:19] <@Toprawa> but then he would reportedly have no mercy for it [20:20] <@Xicer9> I say extend probe at least. [20:20] * Greatsatan (~REDACTED@wikia/Graestan) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [20:20] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Greatsatan [20:20] <@Greatsatan> oi gevald [20:20] <@Toprawa> if Graestan is alive, we're currently discussing the status of Jaina Solo [20:20] <@Greatsatan> I trust you didn't wait for me :P [20:20] <@Toprawa> whether to keep, extend probe one more time, or kill [20:20] <@Toprawa> it's already been extended at least once [20:20] <@GrandMoffTranner> Ataru's put a lot of work into this. I'm leaning toward keep. [20:20] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jaina_Solo [20:20] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Jaina_Solo_(second_review [20:20] <@Greatsatan> a lot of work is continuing on it [20:21] <@GrandMoffTranner> But if there are still some faults with it, I'll vote to extend probe, again. [20:21] <@Greatsatan> I'd say keep just once again [20:21] <@Tommy9281> Keep also. [20:21] <@Greatsatan> not keep; extend* [20:21] <@Toprawa> I could extend probe once more also [20:21] <@Xicer9> Extend if it still needs work [20:21] <@CC7567> Well, according to Fiolli: "Kill all but Jaina; extend probe (yet again) as it was updated today as well, and there are some instances of non-encyclopedic idioms and tone. I will have no mercy if I find it unsatisfactory at the next meeting. " [20:21] <@Toprawa> but I think I too grow weary of it [20:22] <@Toprawa> Ok, we have two keeps and two? three? extend probes? [20:22] <@CC7567> I say extend on Fiolli's concerns [20:22] <@Xicer9> I say extend. [20:22] <@Culator|Away> Probe away. [20:22] <@Toprawa> if we extend probe, it at least allows us to look at again next meeting [20:22] <@Tommy9281> I can go to extend. [20:23] <@ChackJadson> Per Tommy [20:23] <@Toprawa> Very well. Probe extended on Jaina Solo. [20:23] <@Greatsatan> extend, but if it is as Fiolli says with idoms and so forth, I will be taking a more critical look as well [20:23] <@Toprawa> moving on [20:23] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Harbinger [20:23] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Harbinger [20:24] <@Toprawa> the "Characteristics" needs to be "Description," per WP:LG [20:24] <@Toprawa> but that's minor [20:24] <@ChackJadson> Tope: now it does :P [20:24] <@Culator|Away> Why did we extend this? There aren't any outstanding issues that I can see. [20:24] <@CC7567> Keep [20:24] <@Toprawa> cool [20:25] <@ChackJadson> Naru says he fixed it, so keep [20:25] <@GrandMoffTranner> Everything looks good. Keepify it. [20:25] * Ataru (~chatzilla@wikia/Ataru) Quit (Quit: Ataru is gone.) [20:25] <@Xicer9> I'm not too familiar with this article, but I don't see any issues. Keep. [20:25] <@ChackJadson> Has a C&C, and such [20:25] <@CC7567> Culator: if I remember correctly, it was that the Commanders and crew didn't outline specific commanders and crew [20:25] <@Toprawa> per Xicer, keep [20:25] <@Greatsatan> keep, I guess only Fiolli can shed light on what exactly he referred to [20:25] <@Tommy9281> Keep. [20:25] <@Toprawa> Harbinger kept. [20:25] <@Toprawa> Ooookkkkk [20:25] <@Toprawa> New articles now. [20:25] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Beryl_Chiffonage [20:25] <@Toprawa> This is my own nom [20:26] <@Toprawa> It needs a minor update that I wasn't able to get to [20:26] <@Toprawa> We can probe it [20:26] <@Toprawa> I'll get to it eventually [20:26] <@CC7567> Probe [20:26] <@Xicer9> Probe [20:26] <@Tommy9281> Per Toprawa. [20:26] <@Greatsatan> probe per author [20:26] <@GrandMoffTranner> Probify. [20:26] <@ChackJadson> Probe [20:26] <@Toprawa> Beryl Chiffonage probed. [20:26] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Carnor_Jax [20:26] <@Toprawa>    * This should be good now. However, if I have missed something, please let me know and I will take care of it straightaway. Tommy 9281 05:04, June 1, 2010 (UTC) [20:27] <@CC7567> Was an update the only issue? [20:27] <@Toprawa> Not else listed on the page. [20:27] <@ChackJadson> What did it need an update from, Tommy? [20:27] <@ChackJadson> Keep, also [20:27] <@Xicer9> That one sentence subsection kind of bothers me. [20:27] <@Tommy9281> A few minor things from The Atlas. [20:27] <@Tommy9281> I can take care of that. [20:27] <@Xicer9> Aside from that, keep. [20:27] <@Tommy9281> I must have missed it. [20:28] <@CC7567> I'd say keep, if there are no other issues (and I don't see any major ones) [20:28] <@GrandMoffTranner> Yeah, this article kinda annoys me. I think the BTS could be expanded a bit, among other things, but I guess I'll vote to keep. [20:28] <@Toprawa> There is one item in the succ box that needs a source [20:28] <@CC7567> Wait, the succession box years need to be filled in [20:28] <@Toprawa> "Lumiya" [20:28] <@Tommy9281> Hold [20:29] <@Tommy9281> I'm fixing it right now. [20:29] <@GrandMoffTranner> Wait, wait, wait. [20:29] <@Culator|Away> The Inq gets results! [20:29] <@ChackJadson> Go go go go go go [20:29] <@GrandMoffTranner> The CSWE isn't listed as a source. He's gotta have an entry in that. [20:30] <@ChackJadson> No way he's not mentioned in it; want me to check it? [20:30] <@Tommy9281> Please do, I don't have mine handy [20:30] <@GrandMoffTranner> I'm wondering if there are any other sources he's mentioned in that are not listed. [20:30] <@CC7567> I just say probe it; the update (if there's any from the CSWE) is an issue itself [20:30] <@GrandMoffTranner> And why is he in the category for Coruscanti? [20:30] <@CC7567> *that doesn't seem immediately fixable [20:31] <@Xicer9> He's probably missing some Fact Files. [20:31] <@Greatsatan> per CC [20:31] <@Toprawa> If we want to probe it to just make sure everything is spiffy by next meeting, that's fine with me too [20:31] <@GrandMoffTranner> I'm going to change to probe. [20:31] <@Greatsatan> nice to see you also aboard, Xicer, btw [20:31] <@Xicer9> Thanks. [20:31] <@Xicer9> Does the EC cover Crimson Empire? [20:32] <@Xicer9> Probe as well btw, but this is just minor stuff as far as I can tell. [20:32] <@ChackJadson> He's got a CSWE entry [20:32] <@Xicer9> Just checked that he's in the EC too. [20:32] <@Tommy9281> It makes me no difference. It's not mine, but I'll get to it before next meeting. [20:33] <@ChackJadson> Probe, then [20:33] <@Greatsatan> prooobe [20:33] <@Toprawa> Carnor Jax probed. [20:33] <@Toprawa> All of these items will ideally make their way onto the probe page. [20:33] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_cage [20:33] <@Toprawa>    * Updated by Darth Trayus. Tommy 9281 13:21, June 2, 2010 (UTC) [20:34] <@ChackJadson> Keep [20:34] <@Xicer9> Looks solid to me. Keep. [20:34] <@CC7567> Keep [20:34] <@Tommy9281> Keep. [20:34] <@GrandMoffTranner> Keep. [20:34] <@Toprawa> Keep [20:34] <@Toprawa> Forge cage kept. [20:34] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gandolo_IV [20:34] <@Toprawa>    * Updated. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:52, June 4, 2010 (UTC) [20:34] <@Xicer9> Keep, Tope seems to have updated it. [20:34] <@CC7567> Keep [20:34] <@GrandMoffTranner> Keep. [20:34] <@Toprawa> Hooray! [20:35] <@Tommy9281> Keep. [20:35] <@GrandMoffTranner> Heh. [20:35] <@ChackJadson> K is for keep [20:35] <@Greatsatan> keep [20:35] <@Toprawa> Keep [20:35] <@Toprawa> Gandolo IV kept. [20:35] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Sith_War [20:35] <@Toprawa> Great Sith Warbesides update, has an incomplete succession box missing the proper years. [20:35] <@Toprawa>    * This should also be good now. However, if I have missed something, please let me know and I will take care of it straightaway. Tommy 9281 05:14, June 2, 2010 (UTC) [20:35] <@Xicer9> This one still has an update tag... [20:35] <@Tommy9281> I wasn't sure what the succession box thing was about. [20:35] <@Tommy9281> If the tag is there its because I forgot to take it off. [20:35] <@Tommy9281> But it has been updated for the Atlas. [20:36] <@CC7567> 20:30, 1 June 2010 LOST-Malachi (Talk | contribs) m (143,811 bytes) (There is a lot more info on the map: details on the Haruun Kal battle, actions of the Republic Swift Fleet and so on. Also check Wallace's endnotes - he leds some insight on the map [20:36] <@CC7567> That's what the guy who readded the update tag said [20:36] <@CC7567> (in his edit summary) [20:36] <@ChackJadson> Probe, then\ [20:36] <@Xicer9> Probe [20:36] <@Culator|Away> Ah, Mauser. So helpful. :| [20:36] <@CC7567> Probe [20:36] <@Tommy9281> Ah well. [20:37] <@GrandMoffTranner> Probe. [20:37] <@Xicer9> He created another account? [20:37] <@Tommy9281> Who cares. [20:37] <@Tommy9281> We've got bigger fish to fry. [20:37] <@Greatsatan> hahaha [20:37] <@Toprawa> Probe then [20:37] <@Toprawa> Great Sith War probed [20:37] <@Greatsatan> probe [20:37] <@Tommy9281> Probe. I'll get to it too. [20:37] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ledick_Firest [20:38] <@ChackJadson> Kill [20:38] <@Toprawa>    * Updated. Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:32, June 2, 2010 (UTC) [20:38] <@ChackJadson> :P [20:38] <@Toprawa> Sorry [20:38] <@Xicer9> I've been hounding Tope about this one, Keep. =P [20:38] <@ChackJadson> Keep [20:38] <@Culator|Away> For the record, that is a terrible name. [20:38] <@Toprawa> the humidity isn't being nice to my laptop mouse pad [20:38] <@Toprawa> haha [20:38] <@CC7567> Keep [20:38] <@GrandMoffTranner> Keep the fire guy. [20:38] <@ChackJadson> Culator: hahaha [20:38] <@Tommy9281> Keep. [20:39] <@Greatsatan> keeeeep [20:39] <@Toprawa> Keep [20:39] <@Toprawa> Ledick Firest kept [20:39] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Manaan [20:39] <@Toprawa> Someone care to specify what is missing? Tommy 9281 05:29, June 2, 2010 (UTC) [20:39] <@Toprawa>    * Still missing population info from the Atlas. --Imperialles 23:10, June 4, 2010 (UTC) [20:39] <@Toprawa>          o I've added it to the infobox and prose, although it could have simply been added when noticed. Fiolli {Alpheridies University ComNet} 21:57, June 5, 2010 (UTC) [20:39] <@Tommy9281> I echo Fiolly's sentiments. [20:39] <@Tommy9281> Fiolli* [20:39] <@CC7567> Keep [20:39] <@ChackJadson> heh [20:40] <@ChackJadson> Keep [20:40] <@Greatsatan> per Fiolli as well [20:40] <@Tommy9281> Keep. [20:40] <@GrandMoffTranner> Keep. [20:40] <@Xicer9> Keep [20:40] <@Toprawa> Keep [20:40] <@Toprawa> Manaan kept. [20:40] <@Greatsatan> keep [20:40] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Moorja [20:40] <@Toprawa> needs update [20:40] <@Toprawa> no further comments [20:40] <@CC7567> Probe [20:40] <@ChackJadson> Probe [20:40] <@GrandMoffTranner> Probify. [20:40] <@CC7567> Add excessive redlinks to the issue [20:41] <@CC7567> (there are four in the body) [20:41] <@Xicer9> Probe [20:41] <@Greatsatan> probe, ick [20:41] <@Toprawa> Probe [20:41] <@Toprawa> Moorja probed. [20:41] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Telos_IV [20:41] <@Toprawa> # Telos IV [20:41] <@Toprawa>    * If someone can substantiate the need for the  tag, then by all means put it back with a detailed explanation of what is missing on the article's talk page. As far as I can tell, this article is missing nothing from the Essential Atlas. Tommy 9281 05:25, June 2, 2010 (UTC) [20:41] <@Toprawa>          o Among other things, it's missing historical information such as when it was discovered, as well as population info ca. 25 ABY. --Imperialles 05:27, June 2, 2010 (UTC) [20:42] <@Xicer9> Still tagged apparently. [20:42] <@Greatsatan> very minor stuff, probe [20:42] <@ChackJadson> Update per that, then [20:42] <@CC7567> Eh. [20:42] <@CC7567> Ptobe [20:42] <@ChackJadson> *Probe [20:42] <@CC7567> *Probe [20:42] <@Greatsatan> to say the least [20:42] <@Xicer9> Probe [20:42] <@Greatsatan> WP:BOLD applies [20:42] <@GrandMoffTranner> Probe. [20:42] <@Toprawa> Probe [20:42] <@Toprawa> Telos IV probed. [20:42] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hoth_(individual) [20:42] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Hoth_(individual) [20:42] <@Tommy9281> Probe Telos. [20:43] <@Toprawa> All that needs to be done is someone paste or move the reference note into the BTS. [20:43] <@Toprawa> It's very minor. [20:43] <@Toprawa> as for the other stuff, I don't know [20:43] <@Xicer9> Intro could be expanded. [20:44] <@CC7567> I'd say add a P&A, if there's any info (and I'd assume there is) [20:44] <@ChackJadson> Probe [20:44] <@GrandMoffTranner> Let's probe Hoth. [20:44] <@Toprawa> Probe for now [20:44] <@Tommy9281> There's no P&A stuff to be added. [20:44] <@Culator|Away> Meh! Meh to the obsession with intros that plagues this land! [20:44] <@CC7567> Probe [20:44] <@Greatsatan> probe Hoth, I'd be more than happy to write it into a paragraph form if no one else does [20:44] <@CC7567> Understood, Tommy [20:44] <@Xicer9> Probe [20:44] <@Tommy9281> Probe him. [20:44] <@Toprawa> Hoth probed. [20:44] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hallis_Saper [20:45] <@Toprawa> # Hallis Saperfirst name usage, linking seems to be poor, wrong quote format, speculation/unencyclopedic tone [20:45] <@ChackJadson> Probe [20:45] <@ChackJadson> Old FA [20:45] <@Greatsatan> probe, first-name lolz [20:45] <@CC7567> Probe [20:45] <@Greatsatan> must have missed it on the Toprawa Report [20:45] <@GrandMoffTranner> Probe. [20:45] <@Tommy9281> Probe. [20:45] <@Xicer9> Probe [20:46] <@Toprawa> Probe [20:46] <@Toprawa> Hallis Saper probed. [20:46] <@Greatsatan> wait, this is post-Report [20:46] * @Greatsatan (~REDACTED@wikia/Graestan) Quit (Quit: CGI:IRC) [20:46] <@Toprawa> That's all for those. [20:46] <@Toprawa> If anyone has any others that aren't listed, speak now [20:46] <@Tommy9281> Nope. [20:46] <@CC7567> None from me [20:46] <@ChackJadson> Nein [20:46] <@Toprawa> Ok. [20:46] <@Toprawa> Discussion items. [20:46] <@Toprawa> Tommy's is first. [20:46] <@Xicer9> Wait [20:47] * @Toprawa waits [20:47] * @Tommy9281 does too. [20:47] <@Xicer9> Sorry. Kir Kanos: I'm not a fan of his bulleted Bts [20:47] <@Toprawa> Nor am I [20:47] <@Xicer9> The whole Bts also seems rather unstructured, one sentence paragraphs and such. [20:47] <@Tommy9281> That whole bit can simply be removed. [20:47] <@ChackJadson> Probe [20:48] <@Culator|Away> Bullets? [20:48] <@Tommy9281> It is some sort of speculae [20:48] <@Culator|Away> Probe with a force pike! [20:48] <@CC7567> Probe [20:48] <@Tommy9281> Probe. [20:48] <@Xicer9> Probe [20:48] <@GrandMoffTranner> That would be a painful way to probe, Culator, but I tend to agree. [20:48] <@Toprawa> Probe [20:48] <@Toprawa> Kir Kanos probed. [20:48] <@Toprawa> Ok. [20:48] <@Toprawa> Now on to discussion. [20:48] <@Toprawa> Tommy: # An idea was brought up recently at the Complete Articles forum which involved the requirement of WookieeProject lead votes on articles that fall within the scope of their respective projects. I would like to discuss implementing this same idea with regard to Featured Article Nominations. We can talk more in-depth about it during the meeting. Tommy 9281 21:02, May 25, 2010 (UTC) [20:48] <@CC7567> Add OOU perspective to the issues for Kanos ("Nothing is known of Kir Kanos's life before he joined the Galactic Empire") [20:48] <@Toprawa> (per CC) [20:49] <@Toprawa> Tommy, you may elaborate if you choose. [20:49] <@Tommy9281> It's pretty much there. [20:49] <@Tommy9281> I feel that project leads, [20:49] <@Toprawa> from Fiolli: # Tommy's idea: I respectfully disagree with it. Since anyone can make a Wookieeproject on a whim and thereby get a vote (see also WP:RWM and WP:SWG for users who have not proven themselves with quality control). [20:49] <@Toprawa> sorry for interrupting [20:49] <@Tommy9281> should be required to review and sign off on articles that fall within the scope [20:49] <@Tommy9281> no worries [20:50] <@CC7567> Per Fiolli; also, there [20:50] <@ChackJadson> Strong oppose on this idea [20:50] <@Xicer9> Per Fiolli somewhat [20:50] <@GrandMoffTranner> Eh, I'm not a fan of the idea. I'll have to oppose. [20:50] <@CC7567> 's usually at least one user from a WookieeProject who reviews the project's nominations, so it's kinda unnecessary [20:50] <@Tommy9281> No worries. That's enough for me. [20:50] <@Toprawa> I feel that if a project lead is deserving, they can just earn their stripes otherwise. [20:50] <@Culator|Away> WookieeProjects are a completely unregulated area. I could go start WookieeProject:I have to approve every article now if I felt like it. Plus, we don't need to be adding even more complication to the FAN process. [20:50] <@Tommy9281> True. [20:51] <@Tommy9281> Toss it. [20:51] <@Toprawa> Idea tossed :P [20:51] <@Toprawa> Next, from Culator. [20:51] <@Toprawa> It might be best to take these one at a time. [20:51] <@Culator|Away> Quite. [20:51] <@Toprawa> 1: We need a standardized public process for nominating new Inqs. Either we take the lead in developing such a process or someone else will inevitably do so without our input. Development of a process needs to start ASAP. [20:52] <@Toprawa> After Culator potentially says what he needs to, I have points to raise on this. [20:52] <@Culator|Away> There has been grumbling from vocal minorities about the closed admissions process. [20:52] <@Tommy9281> Works fine to me. [20:52] <@ChackJadson> Do you have ideas on how this would work, Culator? [20:52] <@Culator|Away> Basically, we've been tossing around ideas for opening up admissions at least somewhat. Apparently there have been discussions beyond those I've heard, as well. [20:53] <@Culator|Away> What it seems to boil down to is either A, Inqs nominate in closed session and the community votes, or B, the community nominates openly and the Inq votes in closed session, or some mix of A and B. [20:54] <@GrandMoffTranner> Out of those, I'd support B. [20:54] <@ChackJadson> I prefer B [20:54] <@Toprawa> To supplement Culator's comment, I suggested in earlier discussion to make it like the admin nom process. [20:54] <@Tommy9281> I'd rather community nominate and we vote. [20:54] <@Toprawa> Where Inq votes are weighted. [20:54] <@ChackJadson> Tope: that could work [20:54] <@Toprawa> One must secure 2/3rds super majority of Inq votes...or something [20:54] <@Culator|Away> I myself am largely apathetic to politics, so I don't have any solid ideas. [20:54] <@ChackJadson> Personally, I think "making the Inq public" is stupid, but we seem to have no choice [20:54] <@Culator|Away> It's clear we need to take the lead on this before someone else forces the issue. [20:55] <@Toprawa> I also think it's imperative that we maintain the anonymity of our discussion and voting. [20:55] <@Tommy9281> Why? [20:55] <@Tommy9281> If I may ask? [20:55] <@Toprawa> Whenever we consider a new candidate, we discuss them in closed forum. [20:55] <@ChackJadson> We can be more honest, for one [20:55] <@Tommy9281> I've always wondered why that is. [20:55] <@Culator|Away> Public voting prevents people from saying things that, frankly, NEED to be said. [20:55] <@Toprawa> We should never be public-forum peer pressured into not opposing someone just because we're afraid to hurt their feelings. [20:55] <@Tommy9281> True. [20:55] <@GrandMoffTranner> Per Culator. [20:56] <@Xicer9> Per Culator [20:56] <@Toprawa> per Culator [20:56] <@Toprawa> I also suggested doing something like announcing "Inqs in favor, 5-1" on whatever public forum were held [20:56] <@Toprawa> and then the public vote can be held from there [20:56] <@Toprawa> That's just a general idea, though [20:56] <@Tommy9281> I like the idea of doing it like the RFAs [20:56] <@Culator|Away> Anyway, all my discussion points are really just trying to prod us into brainstorming. We can work out details later, perhaps for the next meeting. [20:57] <@Xicer9> Right, I suggest thinking about this until the next meeting before going any further. [20:57] <@Tommy9281> I have to go. [20:57] <@Toprawa> agreed [20:57] <@Toprawa> later, Tommy [20:57] <@Xicer9> See ya Tommy [20:57] <@Toprawa> thanks for showing [20:57] <@ChackJadson> Later [20:57] <@Toprawa> Does anyone have anything else for that topic? [20:58] * @Tommy9281 (~chatzilla@REDACTED) Quit (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.3/20100401080539]) [20:58] <@Culator|Away> Nope. Moving on. [20:58] <@Toprawa> 2: There's not much difference between a long GA and a short FA. If we can create a streamlined process to transition 1000+ word GAs into FAs, we can pad out the queue a bit, maybe more than a bit. [20:58] <@ChackJadson> Elaborate, please [20:58] <@Culator|Away> This was something I just thought of out of the blue, and it seems like less of a good idea the more I think about it. [20:59] <@Toprawa> I'm not sure there are many 1000+ word comprehensive GAs that aren't FAs [20:59] <@Culator|Away> But in a nutshell: The GAN process has grown into a miniature version of the FAN process. [20:59] <@Xicer9> Do you mean basically reviewing long GAs and giving them the FA status? [20:59] <@ChackJadson> I'd say that lately, most 1000 word articles do go to FA, if not right awa [20:59] <@ChackJadson> ie, new nominators may GA them first [20:59] <@Culator|Away> I'd like to identify all the current GAs that are upwards of 900 words, which will take some time, then find some way to slipstream them into FAs. [21:00] <@Toprawa> Those that do exist like that are ones that are just skimmed over in detail, and thus lack comprehensiveness [21:00] <@Toprawa> I don't really know how close or far any of them are to being up to FA standards [21:00] <@Culator|Away> Either by A, notifying their authors that, "hey, you could FA this," or B, by creating an FAN subforum where we just do it our own damn selves. [21:01] <@Toprawa> I wouldn't mind implementing both ideas. [21:01] <@Toprawa> The AC could participate in item A [21:01] <@Culator|Away> But first, we need to identify candidates for the process. There are a LOT of GAs to check, so it could be tedious. [21:01] <@CC7567> Sure [21:01] <@Xicer9> I'd be interseting knowing how many of these we have too. [21:01] <@ChackJadson> Random question: anyone know how the queue is doing? When are we scheduled to run out, any clue? [21:01] <@Toprawa> the AC could put together a list of such articles for next meeting [21:02] <@Toprawa> and then report to the Inq [21:02] <@ChackJadson> GT would know that, probably... [21:02] <@Toprawa> The queue has improved by about two months since the new voting process [21:02] <@Culator|Away> I asked GT for a projected date, but he never answered me. [21:02] <@ChackJadson> Ok [21:02] <@ChackJadson> We're up to the end of December [21:02] <@Toprawa> the last I heard of it, GT was pleased with the progress [21:02] <@Toprawa> and I don't expect it to slow down [21:03] <@Toprawa> anyways, on to point 3 then [21:03] <@Toprawa> 3: Is the FAN limit actually helping? Should we give it another month? [21:03] <@Culator|Away> That summarizes itself. [21:03] <@Toprawa> the FAN list has dropped down to 32 [21:04] <@Toprawa> which is a remarkable improvement [21:04] <@ChackJadson> I like the limit [21:04] <@Culator|Away> But is it actually improving the reviewing speed? [21:04] <@ChackJadson> It helps prevent us from having 60 FAs [21:04] <@Xicer9> Although that may be caused by the new reviewing process. [21:04] <@Toprawa> I like the limit, but I think it may be obsolete now [21:04] <@Culator|Away> User votes were implemented at the same time, so it's hard to tell. [21:04] <@ChackJadson> I must say, when we've got 50+ noms, the sheer size of the page if discouraging [21:04] <@ChackJadson> FWIW... [21:04] <@ChackJadson> *is [21:05] <@Toprawa> but do we really expect to have that many noms again any time soon, I think is the question [21:05] <@Toprawa> we dropped by like 25 or 30 noms [21:05] <@Toprawa> I expect the trend to continue as long as people give a crap about the FAN page [21:05] <@ChackJadson> It's summer, which is when it picks up [21:05] <@ChackJadson> But the new process does help a ton, that is true [21:05] <@Culator|Away> I'd be perfectly happy to give it until next meeting so our statistics people can get us some data. [21:05] <@Xicer9> I don't expect too much of an overload though if the limit is removed. [21:05] <@ChackJadson> That sounds good to me [21:05] <@ChackJadson> statistics people being GT :P [21:05] <@Toprawa> per Culator and Xicer [21:05] <@Xicer9> Per Culator then. [21:06] <@Culator|Away> And Grunny, occasionally. :P [21:06] <@Toprawa> if the page total continues to show such strong improvement, I would be happy to vote to remove it [21:06] <@Culator|Away> Ask him for your adminning stats. I found mine hilarious. [21:06] <@CC7567> Per Culator and Tope [21:06] <@Toprawa> it would have effectively outlived its purpose [21:06] <@GrandMoffTranner> Per Culator. Keep it, and discuss again at the next meeting. [21:06] <@Toprawa> Ok, points 1 and 3 will then ideally be reserved for future discussion at moot 34 [21:07] <@Culator|Away> Then I'm done. Anything else, or can I go watch Doctor Who now? [21:07] <@Xicer9> Oh, right, it's on today! [21:07] <@Toprawa> If anyone has anything else, they have about 5 seconds to say something [21:07] <@Toprawa> Inqmoot 33 is hereby adjourned. [21:07] <@Toprawa> Happy Inqing.