Talk:Darth Andeddu

What proof is there that Andeddu was even female? -- Riffsyphon1024 06:55, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Aaargh KFanII has been stuffing around with this article too. Darth Andeddu is MALE. In his only appearance, his hologrammatic form is male, and the other refer to him as a he. Case closed. QuentinGeorge 07:13, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Hopefully the pic will shut him up, but I doubt it. QuentinGeorge 08:14, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh I think it will, hard to argue with it. -- Riffsyphon1024 08:17, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This is purely speculation on my part, but can anyone else see that his name refers to "undead?"--Dustin Asby 00:07, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Insertion in the Succession Box
May I be so bold as to suggest that Andeddu be placed somewhere in the succession box for Dark Lord of the Sith as he is obviously from this period what with the new info revealed in the New Essential Chronology. It seems that he has just as much right to be there as Tulak Hord. 216.221.96.201 06:21, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)


 * We haven't heard anything about him because he's only just been created as a character. We heard nothing about Tulak Hord before the KOTOR games were release, remember. Darth Andeddu was a) Dressed like the ancient Sith and b) Buried on Korriban. So, he could very well be pre-Marka Ragnos. QuentinGeorge 01:31, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * Andeddu and Hord can be pre-Ragnos, as we now know that the Sith Empire was founded 18,000 years later than we'd originally thought, after the invention of the lightsaber. Lieutenant Gerard 01:18, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Couldn't he be in between Nadd and Kun?-user:remoh
 * I think it should be pointed out that, in Dark Forces: Jedi Knight, the members of the Brotherhood of Darkness are shown wearing the armor of ancient Sith, even though they lived thousands of years later. Although the canonicity of that may be in doubt due to the depictions of the Brotherhood in Jedi vs. Sith. Kuralyov 07:49, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)

No, I'm convinced now that he is pre Ragnos. He could be post Hord and pre Simus. I also noticed that his name seems to refer to 'undead.' Lets us place him in the timeline.DarthMalus
 * No canonical evidence for any placement, even vague. Removed box. QuentinGeorge 10:33, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia's article on him says yes, he was the Dark Lord immediately between Hord and Simus. (Actually it says Hord and Ragnos, guess they just forgot abour Mr. Head-in-a-jar...)
 * Don't rely on Wikipedia for Star Wars information. QuentinGeorge 02:53, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * He is pre-Ragnos. It's a fact. The Sith species were whiped out after Sadow's invasion. Now what is most interesting was that both lightsabers of the Red Armored Sith and Darth Andeddu both have lightsabers that do not require power packs.DarthMalus
 * It's not "a fact", thank you very much. QuentinGeorge 03:46, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh but it is. The Sith species were hunted down to extinction after Sadow's invasion. Andeddu is pre-Ragnos..DarthMalus
 * Nothing says he's of the Sith species. Lieutenant Gerard 21:44, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Look at the picture. He's a member of the Sith species, thus solidifying his place in the ancient Sith. He was also buried on Korriban, which none past Nadd could claim that.DarthMalus 04:44, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Again, nothing says he's of the Sith species. Lieutenant Gerard 19:05, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * True, he is no Sith, I have a larger version of that picture and he doesn't have the Cheek Fins of the Sith. I think we should remove "sith" from the species thing. We have no idea from where he is. For all we know he may have worn the armour soley for ceremonial purposes. It's his holocron after all. Sauron18 00:15 19 April 1006


 * and i have the comic and the fins are there, and the fact that he had his likeness carved on his tomb. He is Sith species. There are no other possibilities. DarthMalus 21:30, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * We know nothing about him other than 1 single pic and some little words of Dooku. I say leave the issue until further sources are given. Species appearance can be confusing, according to Yoda's species article even Yoda was misjudged by others for several times. 1 single picture with no reference of any kind is not good enough for us to presume anything. Darth Kevinmhk 05:34, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * By the way, when even Ludo & Naga used Sith swords, Marka used Scepter & Sword, how can an earlier guy used synth crystal lightsaber with no external power supply plus knew how to make a holocron?? Darth Kevinmhk 06:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Lightsabers were in use during those days. Remember that many believed or chose a sword because they desired a more visceral feel when they slayed a foe. However there is only one more possibility, if Revan did go and seek out the old Sith Empire, then the Sith species wasn't extinct, thus indicating that Darth Andeddu could be in that time frame, but many sources seem to indicate that the sith species were whiped out, so this Sith Lord may very well be the one after Tulak Hord and Pre Ragnos. His likeness is carved into his tomb, and that clearly indicates that he is of the Sith species. It is possible for there to be synth crystals without power supplies, and he may very well be the one who first discovered it. There is no real answer for that. Afterall the Sith Empire was more advanced and possessed more wealth than the Republic. He would know how to make a holocron from the old Dark Jedi teachings. DarthMalus 17:59, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * We did not see 1 single working lightsaber in the ancient Sith Empire, so I doubt they used it at all. Revan, up to this day, still cannot be accounted for, thus his claim still lacks a valid proof. And, as far as I remember I dont see a canonical statement which explain the Sith Empire was more advanced than the Old Republic. Lastly, although many points of yours sound reasonable, but those are just your thoughts, unless his species is already in the Holocron Department, otherwise they are just fans speculation and not canonical facts. Darth Kevinmhk 02:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh ok, well here's his tomb and his likeness carved into it. He's Sith. You loose.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c43/Darth_Malus/swonrep63p4.jpg http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c43/Darth_Malus/swonrep63p1.jpg

DarthMalus 02:41, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a201/Sauron18/DarthAndeddu.jpg
 * Regardless, even the articles of Naga Sadow and Freedon Nadd claimed that the Sith species likely extincit with the death of Naga Sadow. Nothing is confirmed yet, especially with his Darth title. I oppose to the insertion until further source can canonically prove Andeddu's active era or retcon the released facts. Why can't we just wait, especially in the BTS section it claims Andeddu will have his opportunities in the futrue? Darth Kevinmhk 05:35, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not placing him anywhere. I'm just saying he is of sith species. What this character's future is, maybe that A.) He is the first Darth B.) That the Sith species was not extinct and that Andeddu is the leader os the Sith Empire Revan left to find. Though as he is buried on Korriban, it seems to indicate he may be pre Ragnos, possibly pre Nadd though that is a stretch, but I was mainly arguing that he is in fact a member of the Sith species, and that apparently whatever his holocron contained, it was of interest to Sidious and Tyranus. DarthMalus 17:17, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, because the whole section title of this discussion was labeled "Insertion in the Succession Box".... :) Darth Kevinmhk 02:22, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The tomb with the Sith isn necessarily his tomb. Any other Sith (or image) who is not identified as him directly is simply not him, especially if they look nothing alike. There is only one image of him, and it's the holocron holo, and he does not have fins in there. He is not a Sith in Species. --Sauron18 18:11 23 May 2006

Does he remind anyone else of Mumm-Ra? (Ulicus 13:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC))
 * HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Thank you. Funny joke, yet my arguement still stands. No reason to think it isn't his tomb and it is given that it is his tomb. Argument from ignorance is a fallacy and you my friend are guilty of it. This is what we know for a fact: Darth Andeddu was a Sith Lord, he was buried on Korriban, his tomb has his likeness carved into it and that likeness is of the Sith species. There is no basis to say that his holocron was buried in someone elses tomb. His holocron is in his tomb. Darth Andeddu is of Sith species. Should he be inserted? Yes. Where? Dunno yet. DarthMalus 16:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Look, Sith Mummies are MORE than well known to be buried collectively in one tomb, hell there were tombs for Vader and Sidious in Korriban. The only official image of Andeddu is the one posted above, all others could be him, but have not been said to be, and unless they are, then we've only got one image. That image shows no signs of Sith Lineage. He is not Sith Species. Period.--Sauron18 13:45 02 June 2006


 * artist intention says that the tomb is in fact Andeddu. Marka Ragnos was buried in his tomb, Tulak Hord was buried in his tomb, Sidious and Vader were buried on Korriban? Ummm...nope. Fact is he is Sith species. You're wrong get over it. DarthMalus 01:38, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Vader and Sidious had tombs? In what comic was that? -- SFH 01:40, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * My question exactly. As no arguement has a sound premise and going by what we know, it is at this point that he is of the Sith species. Let's face it, how many times has a Sith Lord's holocron been buried in a tomb on Korriban that wasn't his? I think it's settled. Sith species. DarthMalus 02:08, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * "Empire's End". Sidious goes to talk to the sith and they ask him if he's come to fill the tomb or something like that. most of the Sith Lords were buried in one chamber, we've seen it more than a few times. He is not a Sith, not canonically unless we see another image, clearly identified as "Darth Andeddu", which depicts the traits of a Sith. We have only one image, that image. And it does not have fins or Sith characteristics. That is his main image and his only canonical image. --.--Sauron18 21:25 02 June 2006
 * They didn't mean come entomb yourself in a masoleum, they meant join them in death. -- SFH 02:34, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, they showed him the actual tomb (not really a tomb as much as a throne) where he should sit. But that's hardly the poin, I mean, we saw Ragnos being buried in a Public Chamber. Sculptures on a tomb are hardly portraits, I mean, there are tombs in korriban with Sith Hounds carved in them, does that mean the Sith Lord was a Hound? My arguement is that there is only One Image of Darth Andeddu, only one. And it does not show Sith Features.--Sauron18 21:25 02 June 2006


 * Empire's End indeed has an ancient Spirit showing an empty place which he indicates belong to Vader. In my opinion, Holocron's image of course should outrank tomb's drawing/whatever. Holocron will show the recorded real image of its creator, while the tomb is built by slaves, thus not necessary representing the Lord 100% accuratly. And, why can't we just wait, especially Chee claimed there will be future stuff about Andeddu? Darth Kevinmhk 03:23, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Waiting is good I think. What I was trying to point out is that Andeddu Is Non Sith until proven so. I really don't mind him being either, but for now, he's not genetically sith.--Sauron18 22:37 02 June 2006

ummm what are yiu guys talking about. I see the fins are you blind! while they can be easily confused as part of the helmet, but they are there. Malus is correct. He's Sith. Yes. Essentially, I didn't want to tie up all the Sith loose ends. A little mystery is still a good thing, IMO.
 * Sign your comments and mind your manners please. There are no Sith fins on him, theres the helmet, some other cloth, and that's it, there's nothing else that could be confused with Sith fins.--Sauron18 21:11 11 June 2006
 * Agree, I dont mind Andeddu being Sith or not, I just wanna wait for further, more convincing and direct proof. Darth Kevinmhk 03:07, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah there are. Look again. They are as plain as day!That some other cloth are in fact the fins! i MEAN EVEN LOOK AT THE Carving! See how their fins seemingly blend with there helmets? Oh great use of the argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy there Sauron18. I still hold my support with Malus. Unquestionably a Sith species. The holocron depicts the being in which the tomb also depicts the being who was buried there and that being is of Sith species. He is Sith species. The fins are there. Do we need to get the artist in here to confirm something so obvious?
 * I don't see any reason why this discussion on what his species is should keep going. For now, there's no visual proof that he is Sith in species, so until we clearly see the fins where they are supposed to go, we don't know what his species is. From that image alone we would be lead to believe he is a near human species, yet even from that, the fins aren't there. So again, sign your comments, and don't act like that. If he's anything but human at the moment we don't know. They might make him a Sith in time, but right now he's just Unknown.--Sauron18 15:21 12 June 2006
 * I do remember reading somewhere that the tomb is in fact his and that he is of Sith species. I need to find where I read that. Also let us talk to the artist and get a confirmation on this guy. Until then nobody insert him into the succession box. DarthMalus 16:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Interesting comment in Abel Pena's blog about Darth Andeddu:

...But, FYI, an earlier draft had Darth Andeddu as Darth Millennial's master. That doesn't mean anything, it's just worth noting unofficially. Had Pena's version survived (whether his own edits or LFL's edits), then we wouldn't be discussing this today. I wonder if he just changed his mind or the fact that there's something else planned for Andeddu had to do with it... Randy Starkiller 16:11, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * If you can get that source it would be good Malus. Duursema actually mentioned Andeddu last night on an online chat, but she didn't really say much. What we do get from his image is that he is not Sith. He could be retconned to be one, but he could be any other humanoid for that matter. Most people become biased because of his clothing, but that is really inconsequential, considering it is his holocron, and we know the Sith pass down clothing (which would make me think he is a post Bane Sith with Ceremonial armour for the purpose of the holocron). Either way, we won't know until we see him elsewhere, or read him elsewhere. --Sauron18 11:41 26 June 2006
 * Hey, I found a comment by Jan regardin Andeddu's placement in history of SW. To the question of where he came in history, she answered:

"Can't really answer that at present. I know that LF said they wanted to use the character for something, so if I can find out what they did with him, I'll let you know!"

http://www.comicscommunity.com/boards/janduursema/?frames=n;read=4308&expand=1

So there, his origin remains ambiguous as it's always been --Sauron18 12:12 26 June 2006


 * Yeah I got similar answers. The tomb is his but my thoughts are that if the "true sith" turn out to be true, then Andeddu maybe the new Darth in Kotor 3. However he could easily be pre Ragnos as well. Guess we'll have to wait a little bit longer. DarthMalus 18:07, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Darth
Can someobdy tell me who actually call Andeddu "Darth" first. It would seem that all this trouble over his name could easily be retconned into someone just mistakingly calling him Darth Andeddu instead of Lord Andeddu or somethiing like that. Jasca Ducato 09:37, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * He's not called anything except Darth Andeddu. It's not a mistake. QuentinGeorge 09:39, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow I can't believe anyone actually questioned that? DarthMalus 16:00, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Then Lucasfilm.ltd is Wrong? Demolitions Expert RC-1187 Helmet Comlink [[Image:Galactic_Republic.JPG|20px]].
 * Revan and Malak used the Darth title since 4000 BBY, while Bane was a guy around 1000 BBY, thus of course Revan introduced the Darth title before Bane. Darth Kevinmhk 13:08, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * we don't know who the first Darth is. DarthMalus 00:06, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed, until Andeddu is dated we've only got the first known Darth, which would be Revan, but we know he wasn't the first --Sauron18 19:14 02 July 2006 (CDT)
 * ...why you are so sure Revan is not the first? Although it lacks evidence to prove Revan is the first; it also lacks evidence to prove Revan is not the first. Darth Kevinmhk 03:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Zayne Carrick uses the nickname of "Darth Sunshine" on Jarael (Sp?). This takes place before Revan became (at least openly) a Sith Lord. And that he was comfortable using it that loosely also implied that the name wasn't relatively new. --Sauron18 23:49 02 July 2006 (CDT)
 * I see, I havent read that KOTOR issue yet. Thz. Darth Kevinmhk 07:41, 3 July 2006 (UTC)