Talk:Jedi/Legends

This page seems to conflict with the Jedi Code listed here in Wookiepedia. --qrc 00:48, 11 Apr 2005 (EDT)

Separate Articles?
Since this is the Star Wars Wiki, I think that the Jedi Ranks should each have their own separate articles.--Darth Fisto 00:37, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed. At the very least, Knight and Master require their own pages. Then there are the less canonical titles.--SparqMan 02:46, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Agree--Eion 07:24, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Celibate
Oh, good grief, what's this?: The Jedi are a unchaste monastic organization. You make it sound like some sort of ancient near-eastern pagan fertility cult. I don't think that sentence conveys the original meaning, which was that they are forbidden to marry (barring, of course, special exceptions such as Ki-Adi-Mundi, who was given an exception because of low Cerean birth rates). We know nothing of their standards regarding chastity. – Aidje talk 16:40, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, Jedi are celibate, in the traditional meaning of the word. Celibate = Do not Marry (as opposed to "chaste" which means no sex outside of marriage. So, Jedi are celibate, but not chaste.
 * Ahh, good catch.--Eion 07:24, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's quite so cut and dried as that. Answers.com gives both of those definitions for celibate, and also gives celibate as a synonym of chaste. The Usage Notes for celibate say that the meaning has changed during the 20th century to include chastity. It is my suspicion that if one were taking a vow of celibacy it typically would be assumed that one would remain chaste as well. In other words: chaste = no sex outside of marriage, celibate = no sex at all, not even in marriage. Just my $0.02. – Aidje talk 16:30, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I wonder how they dealt with species that reproduced asexually. --SparqMan 17:25, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Presumably, having a child, even if you were the only parent, would be a large stumbling block if one was trying to avoid attachment. – Aidje talk 18:03, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

It probably should say calibate. Or "celibate (but not chaste)". Or have a small paragraph later explaining the information (including the Ki-Adi-Mundi exception and the fact that the New Jadi Order isn't celibate) --Death Regis 18:28, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * My vote goes for leaving it out of the initial paragraph (since it's too complicated) and having a later section that talks about marriage/ attachment/ exceptions/ differences between old and new order/ etc. – Aidje talk 18:38, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I just put it in the opening paragraph b/c I couldn't think of a better place, but the important thing is that Jedi do get freaky, they just never go steady.--Eion 19:49, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Hopefully my edit has at least sorted it out a little --Fade 13:51, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

How about some ancient Jedi families? like Nomi Sunrider's family until her descedant Vima Da-boda? Maybe it shoudl be added that the rule of celibacy was later. 62.74.5.202 19:30, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)

NJO Code
Should the NJO code get its own article? --SparqMan 18:32, 11 May 2005 (UTC) I haven't read the NJO books (they started coming out too fast and I didn't enjoy their hard-scifi style, so I just gave up). I'm merely referencing the NJO article which says, "The order itself is set apart from the Jedi order of the Old Republic by a new code and a broadened view of the Force." (emphasis my own) --SparqMan 19:46, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * What is the NJO code? Is there an official version? Or do you mean the new Jedi Order itself? In which case, I think it should, and that article could also cover the Jedi Praxeum and the Galactic Alliance High Council. Kwenn 19:19, 11 May 2005 (UTC)

Jedi types
I'm really not sure this should be included in the articles- it sounds more like an artifact of RPGs than anything else. Is there anything a little more solid (other than game mechanics) to back this up? -Fade 22:27, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Would user Jaster stop using lightsaber colors to determine whether a Jedi is a consular or a guardian? Both Qui-Gon and Luke are guardians! Does the fact Luke go from blue to green to red mean he keeps changing affiliation? No! Don't use KOTOR game to make changes like this. It's an RPG convention so, if we are going to keep this on the page (and perhaps it should be culled) please use the actual SOURCE! QuentinGeorge 09:57, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed. If the KotOR colour system was used at all, then it was at the time of the KotoR game. After 1,000 before Yavin they were 99% green or blue anyway. --Beeurd 15:32, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I've now done something with this. Someone can modify it further if they see any reason to. --Fade 19:19, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

Master title
um.. the third movie said you get the title of master if you sit on the jedi council. What's up with that?
 * Well, there are masters (an honorific to refer to any jedi knight, e.g. Master Jedi) and then there are the inner ciricle, the MASTERS, these are the council members. However, Ki Adi Mundi was not a master when he first took a seat on the council, so the point is moot. Plus, Anakin was just pissed; he needed the title so he could access the sith holocrons of the archives so he could save Padme--Eion 01:06, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Being called "Master Kenobi" doesn't mean you are a Jedi Master. It is just a term of address for any fully-fledged Jedi (Knight or higher). Being on the Council usually means you are a Jedi Master, except for Anakin or Ki-Adi-Mundi. Ki-Adi-Mundi may be a little continuity error there, but I'm sure it will be address sooner or later. QuentinGeorge 06:03, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I would also like to add that there are a lot of Jedi Masters who aren't on the Council. JimRaynor55 07:25, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Population
Do we know about how many Jedis existed during some certain periods in the whole Galaxy? Hundreds, Thousands or Millions? I think that during the prequel-era the Jedis were declining and were relatively few, but I don't think that the number seen in the battle of Geonosis is repesentative. Do we have any source? 62.74.4.199 22:10, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * At the time of Episode I, the number of Jedi in the galaxy was about 10,000. Unfortunately, I don't remember the source. – Aidje talk 11:17, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * There are several sources - the Ep I/II novelizations and Cloak of Deception, off the top of my head. Also, from KOTOR, it cna assumed that there are only a few hundred, at most, Jedi in the galaxy. Kuralyov 14:26, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

"Major Jedi"

 * The Major Jedi section seems to have degenerated into a list of Jedi, which we already have. MarcK 10:27, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * We need some sort of guideline as to what amounts to notability. – Aidje talk 19:27, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I'd suggest only listing Jedi that have had a leading role in a book/movie/game/whatever, or other Jedi who have been mentioned as being worthy of note. No padawans unless they did something very remarkable, IMO. eg: Zett Jukassa: He was on the screen for all of 15 seconds and killed a couple of clones, does that make him a "major" Jedi? I think not. --beeurd 22:44, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * While Zett is now one of my favorite Jedi, I have to agree with you&mdash;his brief appearance, cool though it may have been, hardly qualifies him as major. He killed more than a couple, by the way. :-) – Aidje talk 04:58, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * While trimming down the list, I noticed another trait which does not qualify a Jedi as 'major': appearing in KOTOR. I have a feeling that every KOTOR Jedi was on that list. – Aidje talk 05:45, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Do we really even need a Major Jedi section? How about just a link to List of Jedi.  If people really want examples of notable Jedi, there are no shortage of them in the text itself for the reader to look up.  jSarek 05:57, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. The listing in the article is merely a carryover from Wikipedia. Excise it, and just have a link to the big list. QuentinGeorge 06:26, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * That would certainly make things easier; we wouldn't have to make so many decisions, and we wouldn't have to worry about our trimming being undone. jSarek is right that there are many names in the text, anyway. I'm all for just putting a link to the list in ==See also==. – Aidje talk 16:20, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Right, so if we're all in agreement in just ditching the section altogether I'll go ahead and get rid of it. MarcK 14:56, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Recent history of the jedi
I deleted this section, since it was copied over to Jedi history, where I think it'll work out better. I replaced it with a brief timeline with a link to the jedi history article, but any short summary will probably work there.-LtNOWIS 06:24, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Grand Master?
I've been searching the web and keep coming across the title of "Jedi Grand Master". It says that Yoda held this position under the Old Republic, and that Luke Skywalker also holds it. Is this an actual title, or is it some fanon creation? -- SFH 03:44, 28 Sep 2005 (UTC)