Talk:Galen Marek

Name of article
So the naming convention of articles are usually: 1. what he was best known as, or 2. what he was last known as. So my question is, which takes precedence? He was best known as Starkiller (at least in the comic, that was all he was ever called...they just happen to mention his name). However, it indicates that he may have given up the name Starkiller after finding out about his heritage. But even after that Juno still calls him Starkiller. I guess this can be most likened to Anakin/vader. He went from anakin to vader and back to anakin at the end, but he was best known as Vader. The article is named Anakin...so I guess I answered my own question...does everyone else agree: Galen Marek is the proper article name...following same rules as Anakin Skywalker? Although I think that "Starkiller was the codename" should be changed...there is no indication that Vader gave him any other name. This was not his code name, but his actual name for a good portion of his life. IthinkIwannaLeia 21:48, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Powers
I think it should be mentioned in the article that he didn't really "pulled" it down. At least for me it only looks like he altered its course against the ground (the gravity did the rest) and had way more trouble slowing it down after it hits the ground.

Doesn't it say somewhere that the Force Unleashed was supposed to exaggerate the powers of the Force? Zack Chiu 14:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it does. I'm not sure why the article disregards this. -MPK 16:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Would it be worth looking at to change the article a bit? BTAL 22:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In Insider #100 it says that the Apprentice has the potential to be one of the most powerful Force users of all the time. It may just be for the game, but as far as we know, it's canon.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 22:32, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * George have stated that Lukes potential is twice that of the emperor, but still he had a hard time defeating him. Potential doesn't equal power.
 * Plus, trailers aren't always canon. For example the kotor 2 trailer call the exile a "him". -Unsigned comment by IP Address 81.229.73.179
 * It's been confirmed somewhere (don't have source unfortunately because I saw it a while ago) that the player does indeed pull down a Star Destroyer in the game. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 02:27, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * On the game site under the spike tv exculsive titled Spike Tv Segment 3: Epic battles Hayden Blackman can be quoted as saying "Your pretty powerful, but this is the way we'er portraying the Force throughout the game. So everybody you fight that has force powers will be unleashed as well." I had tried to make a small edit that said some thing akin to that but it was deleted, i assume it was for improper sourcing (or lack there of). Unfortunaly i can't acctualy get a direct link to the video because the entier web site is flash based and every thing is under the same address. Anyway is the above quote enough to to have somesort of relating information placed in the article? FinalFighterA+ 18:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I recall them saying that too; but in Star Wars Insider 100 Haden Blackman says that he has the potential to be the most powerful Force user ever. Your edit was fine, but it was out-of-universe because it said 'in an interview', which is what behind the scenes is for.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 23:20, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Even if he can pull down a ship he is nowhere near the strongest, Darth Nihilus destroyed planets at a time, i can't see how this guy can even begin to compare --Dixieboy 01:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but Nihilus was consumed by his power. Besides, in combat he was pathetic. His planet-killer power is a weakness, not a strength. Starkiller would wipe the floor with him. Darth Raivon 16:40, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * He didn't really pull down a Star Destroyer with the Force. He used the Force to charge electricity pylons and make them send a huge energy beam toward the ship. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 16:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting how that is never seen. -MPK 18:30, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * They only show the impressive result ;) [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 18:48, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Darth nihilus also managed to lift a destroyer calss ship (I think it was) from the rabble and keep it going solely by the force, nihilus was only weak in combat because he tried to drain power from the exile --Dixieboy 10:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

By the way, Luke hasn't reached his full potential yet. (No one has been able to. Takes a long time.) And even if he was more powerful than Vader, Vader could still down a star destroyer too. It's not that hard to change a flight path.--142.22.16.55 17:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Luke comes very close to his full potential in Invincible. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 17:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

What you fail to realise is that Raven is capable of doing everything Nihlis could do and more, and also not to mneiton the fact that he is a master lightsaber duleist and can strip one of the force at will, ..honestly I have yet to see anyone half as good as Revan....except maybe Ragnos but thats unsure. (User:Chipmonk329|Chipmonk329]]
 * When did Revan ever take the Force away from someone, or destroy a planet with his will? Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 12:34, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Drewton is right. Revan is not God.
 * Evidently none of you payed any attention to the template at the top of this page, which is supposed to discourage stupid discussions like this one. -MPK (MPK's Talk Page)|undefined 14:27, 16 July 2008 (UTC)

GamePro? Where?
I went to GamePro, but I can't find the costumes. Link please? Nebril Engeve'fer 02:57, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Here:  Drewton  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/c0/SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg/25px-SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg 12:50, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Those are for the Duel Mode on the Wii, not unlockables for the main game. Nebril Engeve'fer 02:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * They'll still most likely be in the main game. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 12:25, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Ambig Canon
Just because it says something on the package, it cannot be confirmed that the SA redeems anyone or falls in love with Juno. Also, we do not know for a fact how or when or even if Kota becomes his master. And we do not know if he definitely confronts Vader. So until we get a definite canon source like the Graphic Novel, it is ambiguous. The Secret Apprentice  ( Personal Comm ) 15:08, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hasbro is not an ambiguous source. In Revan's article, it is considered canon that Revan was the one who inflicted Malak's jaw injury, and it was only on the back of package.  Hasn't it been said elsewhere also about Juno?  Drewton  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/c0/SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg/25px-SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg 15:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Juno was stated to be the love interest and has a bond with the SA. We do not know what happens to that bond throughout the course of the game. Also, the thing about Malak's jaw has nothing to do with game plot and the packaging was released after the game was out. You also failed to address my other problems with your edit. If you can fix your edit so that it does not assume anything then I will leave you alone. Or you could just wait until 9-16. The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 15:58, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 'Love interest' implies it, though I'm fine taking that part out because that's the only thing they've said. Of course Revan cutting off Malak's jaw doesn't have to do with the game plot, but it's still canon.  The description on the Unleashed package was done with LucasFilm's approval; I don't think they'd tell non-canon information about it. They likely told Hasbro the Apprentice's canon fate.  I am not assuming anything, just using what Hasbro said.  Drewton  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/c0/SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg/25px-SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg 16:02, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't have as much time before, so I'll also address your other points (I have before, simply indirectly). Also, we do not know for a fact how or when or even if Kota becomes his master.  I never said he becomes the Apprentice's Master, only that he trains him.  StarWars.com itself has said that Kota becomes his mentor.  And we do not know if he definitely confronts Vader.  It was confirmed on the package.  Hasbro's information comes from LucasFilms.  Drewton  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/c0/SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg/25px-SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg 16:35, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I was making no assumptions and you have replied in other parts of this page but no to this yet, so I reverted the article back (but I won't if you revert it back again because I don't want to start a 'revert war'). I'm sorry if you just haven't had time to reply.  Drewton  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/c0/SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg/25px-SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg 01:34, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Although I am unhappy with it, I will not revert your edit until we get input from other users. Also, it said that the SA has a confrontation with his former master. It does not state who this master is, (although I will admit it is likely that they meant Vader.) I would also like to avoid edits stating something as definite. Until we receive a definite source that outright states or depicts the things that have been brought into question, I would like things to remain in a way that they do not explicitly state specific details. Also, on a side note should we put up a spoiler warning? The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 20:17, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's what I was hoping for too. If other users decide that you or I am right, I'm happy either way, I just want to include canon/correct information.  I don't think we need a spoiler warning yet, or at least until there's some extremely suprising thing added, in my opinion.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 20:37, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Although I don't know a whole lot about The Force Unleashed, I (personally) think it'd okay to keep the information about him falling in love with Juno, Kota being his master, etc. in the article. Because even though we may not be absolutely positive that that's true, the "Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future." template on top of the page explains that it hasn't been released yet and that it might contain information of a speculative nature. I think that pretty much covers that some of it may not be confirmed yet or is ambiguously canon. (But thats just me, and what do I know?)  Aqua Unasi *** 20:48, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Jumping the gun just a bit?
Does the Apprentice actually exist yet? Neither the Force Unleashed games, books, or any of those are made yet. Therefore, shouldn't a template be placed on the page which mentions that he is not yet canon? -MPK 20:31, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Um, are you serious? Grand Moff Tranner 21:49, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Toys are out, a preview of the novel is out and there are numerous trailers/webdocs. Besides, why put up one of those templates when we know that the game and the aforementioned material will be released? The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 23:27, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think we should say he's non-canon on the off-chance that six nearly-finished games, a graphic novel, a novel, a "making/art-of" book, etc. will be canceled five months before their release date. Unless we want to say the same thing about Captain Rex, Ahsoka, etc. InSaneWeTrust 23:33, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. We'd be deleting all of the articles about upcoming characters then.  Drewton  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/c0/SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg/25px-SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg 01:26, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Apprentice's parents
I just watched Gametrailers with Geoff Keighley, and Haden Blackman told Geoff that the Apprentice was the son of not one but two Jedi. This should be mentioned in the article. His name apparently starts with "S", as well.--Jedi Kasra 05:07, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

That is old information and if you were paying attention they said his CODE NAME starts with "S". As in Secret Apprentice. Derrr. The Secret Apprentice  ( Personal Comm ) 14:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I hadn't seen that it wasn't in the article before. I'll go add it now :) . Drewton   14:29, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

he is hethrir ?
 * Old information, huh? I thought Blackman previously just said he was the son of a Jedi, not two.--Jedi Kasra 22:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It was said in the PS3 magazine. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 00:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you suppose that shortly after Vader killed Kento, he saw that the Jedi was protecting his own son and the Dark Lord turned a little guilty of what he did? After all, he might've made up to this by adopting the Apprentice and started having the first steps of becoming a father. What's wrong with Sith Lords wanting to adopting someone, anyway? I learned about family relationships between them in a preview. 72.82.9.127 22:22, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe, or just using him to kill Palpatine and the rest of the Jedi. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 00:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's my two cents in this. I've always wanted to adopt kids, and as of last year, let's just say that the idea of adoption became more "personal" for me, in a good way. While we still have to find out come September, it is possible that Vader would adopt him and treat him as his own son, albeit in a weird, Sithly way. I think Vader does care about him, and if he (the apprentice) betrays him, which is almost certain, it will hurt Vader. Remember, Palpatine doesn't have any idea about the apprentice. No one would dispute that Darth Caedus loves Allana, in his own weird way.--Jedi Kasra 21:11, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. I think it will change how the Luke-Vader relationship is viewed.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 21:32, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Robotic Hand/Arm?
Looking at this picture, I was thinking that maybe the apprentice has a mechanical arm? Telos 03:51, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It does look like that. He certainly doesn't have it at the beginning of the game though.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 13:57, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. It looks too bulky to be a robotic arm. Seems more like a glove (perhaps some sort of "Force glove" that gives the wearer enhanced Force powers?) Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 16:33, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a different outfit for each level, the large arm may be a weapon or a key to a special envoirnment. Steves490 20:15, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll go with it either being a cybernetic arm, or a cortosis glove --Dixieboy 23:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Its a bracelet that Vader uses to control him. He doesn't actually want to work for the Sith NaruHina ''' Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 23:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

No, Vader Zaps him with that when he stops doing what Vader wants him to do.--142.22.16.55 17:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Same Diff. NaruHina ''' Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 22:26, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Name
His name has been reported to be Starkiller. Drewton  16:38, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * So his name is "Starkiller"? Kinda a weird name. Sounds like a name of a ship. - '''Colonel Solo [[Image:GA Roundel.svg|20px]]Galactic Alliance Gaurd 14:44, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, technically, it is the name of a ship... it's also a whole lot of other things in the GFFA, including names. However, the most prevalent use is actually from the earliest drafts of Episode IV, where Luke Skywalker was actually Luke Starkiller. 15:12, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * To be perfectly honest, I don't think that the source is accurate. Will I change it? No, it is the only lead we have. I think it is more likely to be his Sith name than his true name. But if this source did lie, there will be no one to blame but yourselves. The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 16:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Haden Blackman said 'his codename starts with S', so it makes sense. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 16:09, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This was talked about with Dan Wasson, the producer of the game. 'So there's going to be a fair bit of relationship building seen between Vader and Starkiller?'  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 16:13, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes but Wasson himself still calls Starkiller the apprentice. All I am saying is that perhaps the source never used the name Starkiller in their interview. Just a bit of healthy skepticism. But if its his name, its probably his Sith name. BTW, did you see the changes I made? The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 17:05, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've generally known them to be reliable, and they wouldn't edit their questions after the interview. Wasson never calls him 'Starkiller', but he doesn't deny it either.  (to BTW) Yes, very good.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 17:12, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright. I've never used that site before. BTW check the source for my additions. Very interesting. (P.S. I already updated Kota with this new info.) The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 17:18, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw that source earlier today and added the information to Kento's article. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 17:19, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there any information on the Apprentice's first name, or is he simply "Starkiller"? -MPK
 * So far it's just "Starkiller". Likely, more will be known eventually (Like a possible first name), but right now it's just the one name. 20:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * His last name might be Starkiller but his first name starts with J. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 02:07, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source? Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 02:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Source is the game. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 02:24, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The game isn't out yet. Where did you see it on the internet?  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 02:32, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Internet isn't the only place to get information. You know that real people are making this game ? [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 02:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It would be quite odd if they weren't. Are you saying you worked on the game/know someone else that worked on it?  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 02:38, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's what I'm saying. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 02:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * What happens in the game, then? Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 02:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I only know that Shaak Ti is killed by a Sarlaac-like creature on Felucia after a duel with "Starkiller". [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 02:47, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If you can give proof that you worked on the game, that's great then. We can't add unsourced/unverified information to Wookieepedia.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 02:53, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't want to add infos in the article. It could cause problems to someone. It's not that important to have infos right now. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 02:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "I just wanted to let you know that I got in touch with Lucasarts' Adam Kahn and was told that "“I can confirm that “Starkiller” is the Secret Apprentice’s code name in the game, but we haven’t revealed his real name.”" Source: TheForce.net --- Told ya! Now you'll have to rename the page again! [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 20:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure. What's his real name we'll be moving it to then? --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 20:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know, Secret Apprentice ? :P And wait for a real confirmation for his name, not from a random website. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 20:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, technically, Starkiller is still the name we know him as - it's still more to go off of than "Secret Apprentice". 01:05, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * We do all know that this is his CODENAME, right? Seriously, on the Gametrailers episode where they featured TFU Haden Blackman himself said it's just his codename.  So, should we change it? Darth Plagueis 01:12, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Even if it's just a codename, it's better than 'Secret Apprentice'. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 01:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I wasn't clear the first time. I meant should we change how the article says it?  I mean, doesn't the article say that it's his actual first name?  If it does, shouldn't we change it? Darth Plagueis 01:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you got a point on that. It probably should be reflected, as well as noted in the BtS. 01:47, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * So, do you guys want me to edit it, or will someone else do it? Darth Plagueis 01:50, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I already edited a long time ago. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 04:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, now that the game is competed, I can say that the Secret Apprentice's name is Jacob . [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 21:53, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Uh, can you prove that with a link? Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 23:10, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Internet isn't the only place to get information. Some website are the FIRST to get the info, like Wookieepedia. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 23:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but Wookieepedia doesn't count as a source, and neither do you, to be honest. We have to wait for official word on the matter. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 23:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I know that, I was just saying it so you are the firsts to know it. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 23:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If it is Jacob...they chose his name extremely poorly. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 18:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * A reference to Jake Lloyd maybe ? [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 18:38, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Still a horrible choice. Come on. "Jacob" isn't the kind of name I'd give my son if I lived in the GFFA. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 19:04, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I doubt it is legal for you to tell us this even assuming it is true and you did work on the game ever heard of an NDA anyone?SargeLIVES 23:05, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't sign any NDA. Just be happy to know before everyone else.[[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 23:11, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If you're telling the truth... Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 00:24, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, while I do not doubt the validity of some statements such as the potential demise of Shaak Ti, I do doubt most of the information you are feeding us. For example, you said that Starkiller might be his last name. Shouldn't you know? Also, it was confirmed that Starkiller is in fact just his code name. And I figured the Sarlacc thing out myself based on concept art featuring Starkiller, Shaak Ti, and a Sarlacc. But I doubt that Starkiller's true name is Jacob. But perhaps you are right. Regardless, and regardless of you not signing an NDA you can still get in trouble for leaking information and whoever, if anyone, is giving you this information likely signed an NDA and will get sued and fired (that is, assuming they have a job related to TFU.) The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 00:57, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I told the part about Shaak Ti months ago before it was even known that she was on Felucia in the game. For the Starkiller thing, you are right, I never heared about it until it was here. Some things are just untold. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 01:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it would be best for everyone if you just stop giving us this information, whether it's true or not. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 11:57, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * More confirmation on 'Starkiller' here. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 14:03, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I was right about everything I said; Shaak Ti's death, Jacob's name, Jacob's death and another thing that was reverted by an admin (obviously): the alternative ending where Jacob kills Darth Vader and become the Emperor's apprentice. You might take me seriously in 9 years when I'll edit again hehe. Dreossk | 00:32, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The fact that you were right about everything means absolutely nothing &mdash; there was no way to prove your edits. The word of one user who is not well known on the site -- as, as you've proved, is not remotely trustworthy -- is not enough to add info to the wiki. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 00:39, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You'll know for the next time that it's always true ;) Dreossk | 00:42, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You still. don't. get. it. It's not about whether something is right, it's about whether it's verifiable. And instead of accepting that this is just how things work around here, you decided to act like an idiot. You are no longer wanted, and no reasonable person will ever believe anything you say. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 00:53, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Dreossk will you now tell us how you found all this information? Jacob Nion  [[Image:SecretApprentice bg.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 00:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * He's been banned. And good riddance, might I add. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 00:57, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Timing of encounter with Palpatine
Unless the Gamespot demo was out of order, Starkiller's next assignment after Nar Shaddaa (vs Kota, the first Starkiller level) is on Raxus Prime. This would mean that the scene where Palpatine tells Vader to kill Starkiller happens early on in the game, and it is in fact not the 'ultimate confrontation' mentioned on the Hasbro miniature package. Drewton  01:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * They said "the final cinematic at the end of the next level demoed. Demoed is the key word, so I find it extremely likely that they skipped several levels. I'm hoping however that there is more than one confrontation with Vader. Otherwise the game would seem very short. The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 21:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Maris Brood Redemption
Now, we all are guessing that she might be redeemed. However, has this actually been confirmed anywhere?

Darth Plagueis 10:48, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The Hasbro Battle Pack confirmed it. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 12:33, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Here we go again. I tried to argue that it was not definite canon as Hasbro has made mistakes before. But whatever. The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 20:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hasbro has made mistakes, but more minor ones than this. It's official, and canon as far as we know.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 22:14, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

Ancestor?

 * Ok... So, his name is Starkiller, or that's at least his codename in the project... So, if that's really his last name, would that mean he's a descendant of Bendak Starkiller from KotOR? (It's probably him, Apprentice Starkiller's, and his parents', or at least his father's, last name. That or it's his first name.) Does that sound confusing? Lol. --The Wolfe22 18:54, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "Starkiller" is a code name, not his actual name. Therefore, there's no relation to Bendak. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 18:55, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Gotcha ;) --The Wolfe22 23:24, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Starkiller in Soul Calibur IV

 * It looks like Vader and Yoda aren't the only SW characters in Soul Calibur 4 210.4.113.169 06:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Source? Dixieboy 19:19, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * An old report on TheForce.net. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 19:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Quote
I like this quote which if you have seen the new trailer is a continuation of something Shaak Ti is saying to Starkiller, "The Sith always betray one another. . . . I’m sure you’ll learn that soon enough." If you saw the new trailer you should understand that this quote sums up some of the most important events in Starkiller's life. The Secret Apprentice  ( Personal Comm ) 17:34, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

So I propose a vote:

Quote #1
You have done well my apprentice. (Current quote)
 * 1) Until all the various media is released which will give more information on the character, this is the better quote given what we currently know.  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 17:48, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) *From the new spoilers we know that Starkiller is betrayed by Vader. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 17:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Quote #2
'The Sith always betray one another. . . . I’m sure you’ll learn that soon enough.' (New suggestion)
 * 1) For As per my previous statement. The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 17:34, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Per above. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 17:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Comments
How about this? I took Quote #2 and placed it in the "Confrontation with Vader" section of the article. Leave Quote #1 where it is. Everyone wins. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 20:12, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmmmm. I dont like it, but I can live with it. At least until we get better quotes from the next trailer/video/article/Novel/Comic. I will wait to make an absolute decision until I here some other arguments for or against what you've done. The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 20:32, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Redeemed Jedi finally??!!
Since we know that Starkiller would be trained under Kota, helps redeem Maris Brood at Felucia, fights Vader in the nearly completed Death Star, and gets the girl, can we please just say he was now a good guy in the end? Then we wouldn't have to wait for the franchise to reveal the canon ending to appear. It's all canon evidence! 68.14.140.120 21:18, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * He certainly seems to be taking the light side path, but we don't know that he'll stay light side. Also, he probably will fight Vader even if he's dark side. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 21:21, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * We have to wait until the canonical ending comes out.  Ifindyourlackoffaithdisturbing  ( You're all clear kid! )( Now let's blow this thing and go home! ) 21:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * And in the Story of TFU ViDoc one of the Devs said "You may think your going down one path and end up down another." That statement leads me to believe that the trailer was intentionally misleading. The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 15:54, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, now that we know that Jacob allied with the Rebellion against his evil stepfather, does that mean he was redeemed? I pray that the recent spoilers say anything about it. 72.87.76.216 00:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Death?
The article says that he was fighting Darth Vader on the first Deathstar, what the hell happened then? I mean, when and how does this person die? Is it by Vaders lightsaber or does he die of old age in hiding? If this superhero meets Vader in some sort of final battle, which of course Vader must win since it is Luke Skywalker who's Vader "killer" (and Anakin Skywalkers savior), how does the battle end? Did he die or did he escape? Anyone with an answer?78.69.67.137 22:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * We don't know yet. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 22:38, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Although I think it is safe to assume that he will die (in the cannon ending as there will most likely be multiple ones) otherwise it begs the question "where has he been" between the Vong, Jacen, Thrawn, Lukes new order, and all of the renegade Imps it would seem like he would have surfaced sometime. Ultimately what I think is that unless he pulls a "Revan" (goes off heroically into the unknown) there would just be to much Star Wars cannon to change unless he died. Ryan Fett  ( For Mandalore! )[[Image:JaingHead.svg|20px]] 14:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well that's going to be a disappointing ending...Shadow Mask Prime 10:51, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Yea it whould be but we dont know if its cannon or not until after the game comes out so i ask: why does it say in the main artical that he died if we dont know that he did? SSD-Revan 03:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Specification
"After his duel with Darth Vader, Jacob was killed by the Emperor."

Could this be a little bit more specific? For example, does he fight Palpatine in a lightsaber duel like Yoda did? Darth Something 03:51, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * According to Borsk Fey'lya, who has the book, Starkiller beats Vader, but the Emperor kills him with force lightning.. DC 05:18, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well that whould be a wast of a caricter but how did Borsk get the book? I thougt it was still in the writing phase.SSD-Revan 00:37, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Stabbed in the back?
The article says that Vader was ordered to kill the apprentice by Sidious. If he wanted to overthrow Sidious, why did he stab the apprentice? Maxi6 15:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC)Maxi6


 * Because the Emperor is strong enough to temporarilily affect/dominate minds - "You don't know the power of the Dark Side, I must obey my master." Darth Something.

OK, thanks. Maxi6 00:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)Maxi6

canon ending
Ackbar, stop reverting my edits. There is a spoiler warning. And I am asking about adding this to the article. according to hayden blackman, Lucas arts has already began planning for the Force Unleashed Sequal. He also said that it will have some of the characters in it. He has to survive! Whats the point of having a sequal if it doesnt have the same character? just doesnt add up. We should put it in the article. JediBob 00:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC) But it would be cool to have Maris as the main player!JediBob 00:07, 6 August 2008 (UTC) Jedi Bob shutup. Jacob Dies. Get over it. Its canon and that's that. Jacob Nion  ( Personal Comm ) 02:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It could be about what happened to the surviving jedi he fought, Juno, or ProxyMeesa yoda 00:03, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * i see your idea. But its like having the zelda game without link! it wouldnt be the same!
 * They sadly are making a zelda game w/o link, so this is a star wars game w/o jacobMeesa yoda 00:10, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Proof???JediBob 02:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * please be polite, im just asking a reasonable question. I will not believe it till the book has come out and i have read it. Im a normal person who gets the book on the release date! cheers, JediBob 23:31, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I understand but you were making edits that made no sense. Just ask Borsk. He HAS the book. Jacob Nion  [[Image:Starkiller vs Vader.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 01:30, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

True name NOT Jacob Nion!
I just finished the English version of the novel, and it turns out that his true name is Galen Marek, NOT Jacob Nion. Since "galen" means "crazy" in Swedish, I suspect it means something similar in German and was therefore changed in the German version. Charlii 23:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC) Charlii is not a n00b he's been around alot longer than you. And don't post personal attacks. –K.A.J•T•C•E• 07:07, 7 August 2008 (UTC) We always get novels early here in Sweden, for some reason. Charlii 10:16, 7 August 2008 (UTC) Maybe we should wait for the release... If his name turns out to be Jacob after all, we'll have to re-do everything again.  Stake black   msg 21:26, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * WTF? Why would he have two names, regardless of the translation? This makes no sense. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 01:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That is really weird.  Ifindyourlackoffaithdisturbing  ( You're all clear kid! )( Now let's blow this thing and go home! ) 01:14, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The english version isnt out yet. n00b. And names regardless of language are the samething. This guy is just being annoying and obnoxious. Jacob Nion  [[Image:Starkiller vs Vader.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 01:29, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks KAJ, and for you others, here are a few photos:
 * Dang it. I just recently moved all his images to the Jacob Nion category. Now I get to do it all over again. *sigh* -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 12:06, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't like Jacob at first, but IMO it's better than this new name. Speaking of name changes, what about his father? Is his first name still Kento, or does he have a new name as well? Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 12:43, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I apologize Charlii. Hmmmm. Interesting photo. Now, what will his english name be? Jacob Nion  [[Image:Starkiller vs Vader.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 13:26, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The version he has is the English version. That's why the text in the photo he posted was, you know, in English. It's the same version they'll sell in England, and America, and Australia. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 13:27, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Right. I knew that. So is this the go ahead to start changing everything? Jacob Nion  [[Image:Starkiller vs Vader.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 13:34, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * To be completely correct, I believe the UK version is printed by a different publisher, and there have been differences between the UK and US versions in some cases. Not that there is likely to be any here though. And yes, I'm afraid that we have to change every place his name is mentioned. Someone got a bot handy? Charlii 13:41, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I can start manually. If that is acceptable.... Jacob Nion  [[Image:Starkiller vs Vader.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 13:46, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Another consideration here is whether the character will actually GO by his "full name". Can anyone with the novel verify that he doesn't keep going by Starkiller up through his final moments? -BaronGrackle 23:38, 7 August 2008 (UTC) Interesting. Maybe he'll have a different name for every language. Drewton  ( Drewton's Holocron ) 14:16, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * He actually never uses the name Starkiller himself, and starting to use Galen is a big and important step for him. He never learns his true surname, but I don't think there is any question that he would have used it if he had. It did belong to the identety he developed in his last days. Charlii 01:09, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Personaly I will not consider ANY names until the game comes out and I play it through to the end. because with all the different languages in the world, the slight differences between the books and the translations, it will just be more simple to sort it out within the game. also just because its his american name does that mean its his cannon name? this IS a multi-national progect.SSD-Revan 00:37, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * American (English) names always end up being canon. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 00:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yea that is true most of the time but i suggest, just for now, that we simply revert the titles name to starkiller and put whatever different names to he has in the behind the sceens section.SSD-Revan 00:36, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No, because this is the English Star Wars Wiki. We have several sister sites that are involved with the different languages in their own language. Also note that R2-D2, C-3PO, and several other miscellaneous characters often had/have different names per the language it was translated into. 01:03, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * So is it just going to be something different in English? Man, it would so cool if he was the son of Quinlan or Drake Lo'gaan. Wishful thinking.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 13:29, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Death
Galens death differs between articles. This page says he was killed by Palpatine, but the duel on the Death Star page has him unleashing his life energy to sacifice himself to save his friends. Which version is canonical? Dr.Kermit 05:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You'll probably have to wait a few days for that. But he does die. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 05:08, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The second version is more detailed, but I think you could still claim the first to be technically correct. Charlii 08:57, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

appearance?
Does anyone know if you will be able to change his appearance and/or gender in the game?  CC-2054 Talk 18:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think so.  Ifindyourlackoffaithdisturbing  ( Oya Manda! ) 18:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes and no. There are unlockable costumes, but that's it. Galen Marek  [[Image:Starkiller Eclipse smooch.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 01:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

this will suck
no good game kills the main character!!!!!!! what will be the point in the whole damn game if he just dies because palpatine has to be a wimp and shock him with his cowardly lightning!!!!!!!!!!!!!


 * Cool down, and sign your posts while youre at it. DC 22:37, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And don't forget to read Civility too. DC 22:38, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Final Fantasy 7: Crisis Core killed Zack, Final Fantasy 7 killed Aeris, Vector Prime killed Chewbacca. People die. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 01:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Palpatine didn't kill him with lightning. Galen sacrificed himself. And by the way, this is Star Wars, not Final Fantasy. ;) --The Wolfe22 20:34, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Overhaul
I have the Graphic Novel. Picked it up yesterday at Barnes and Noble. I did a major overhaul of the article because it was severely lacking. Any problems or questions, feel free to message me here or on my talk page. - May the Force Be With You - Galen Marek   ( Personal Comm ) 01:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Grammatical Errors
Sorry for being a noob, but under "First Death". "Vader lifted Starkiller into the air and through him through and out the bridge view port". They should change the first "through" to threw.

It's ok. But seriously. I added 11,000 characters. You can do grammar cleanup. Galen Marek  ( Personal Comm ) 11:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Jedi Master?

 * After reading the novel I see no proof that Kota is Galen's Jedi Master, I know he searches him out with the intent of learning from him, but he is always either sleeping or drunk and not doin anything because he is so depressed. He didn't teach Galen a thing, and even up to the battle in the death star Galen still uses the dark side and is clearly not a Jedi. Does anyone out there agree? Steves490 03:38, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. It says that Kota was his unofficial Jedi Master. So, idk. --The Wolfe22 20:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC)

Galactic Empire
Would he actually be part of the Empire? He is Vader's apprentice, and thats about it. He belongs more to Vader then he does the Empire. DjMack 03:07, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but he's assasinated Imperial traitors in the name of the Empire before. It's only at Nar Shaddaa that he actively begins working against the New Order. Thefourdotelipsis 05:22, 29 August 2008 (UTC)