Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Guts and Glory (third nomination)

Guts and Glory: A Chronicle of The Amazing Story of The Twisted Rancor Trio

 * Nominated by: Sol Pacificus Firestorm 22:56, October 22, 2016 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: An article that exceeded the word limit for a comprehensive article nomination. "This article was nominated before. I tried to address the points raised in the previous nomination. I am unsure of the proper layout for articles concerning books. Also, I was very skeptical of referring to this as a "book" in the first place, as the only known version we find is a draft that is only a several paragraphs long. I mentioned this in the article's talk page. I suppose the author intended it to be a book eventually."

Exiled Jedi

 * The introduction to this article should be expanded.
 * There is some context about the band in the Slugthrowers article that should be mentioned in this article.
 * I cannot find any mention of this band in the slugthrowers article. :-/ Sol Pacificus Firestorm 20:49, November 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * The 3956 BBY date cannot be sourced directly to the game.
 * The game and Revan's events on Taris are set in 3956 BBY is it not? I did not write that the book was written or authored or published in 3956 BBY, but only that it was a "work in progress in 3956 BBY" meaning that at some point during that year, the book was not yet completed. We don't know when he began the book or when he finished it, but we know that Revan found it as a work in progress in 3956 BBY. Sol Pacificus Firestorm 20:22, November 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * Its mention in the Slughthrowers article should be mentioned in the BTS.
 * I can find no mention of it in the slugthrowers article, and there is no relevance of the band or the book to slugthrowers in the game.
 * Please include an image of the datapad from the game as it is an image of the work.
 * Please provide a quote for the contents section.
 * Done, but I'm not sure my choice of quote is the best one.
 * 1) "The origins of what would eventually become the most famous band in the galaxy are surprisingly humble. The brains behind the group, manager Gilthos Uksaris, founded the Trio to earn a date with a young singer named Elinda." (introduction)
 * 2) "Davik asked Gilthos to bring his group in for a command performance. Gilthos agreed, realizing this could be the band's big break. Unfortunately, Elinda had heard certain unsubstantiated rumors about Davik Kang and his connections to the Exchange. Fearing for her life, she refused to go to his estate to perform." (6th line)
 * 3) "Many felt that without Elinda's singing the band would crumble. But Gilthos came up with a brilliant plan to save the group by hiring Elinda's sister, Ashana, as the new lead singer on the eve of their scheduled appearance at Davik's estate." (7th line)
 * 4) "Gilthos knew he was taking a risk. If Ashana couldn't perform at Elinda's level, Davik's infamous temper could have dire consequences for the entire band. However, if Ashana could match her sister's performance then Davik was likely to sign the band to a big time touring contract." (8th line)
 * 5) "It was a risk, but The Twisted Rancor Trio was founded on "Guts and Glory". (9th and last line)
 * I personally thought the last line was perfect as the introduction quote in the article. I preferred the 8th line for the Content section's quote, but I'm afraid that it may be weird given that it leads directly to the quote we have in the introduction section. I currently am using the 7th line. I considered using the first line of "the origins of what would [...]" but thought that might be too tame. Which line do you think is best? Sol Pacificus Firestorm 21:08, November 12, 2016 (UTC)


 * Looking at the text from the in-game item, it looks like there is more detail that should be added to the article.
 * I intentionally minimized details from the text from the in-game item because this article deals with the book itself not the Twisted Rancor Trio or its members. The book provides a summary of the history of the band, the article explains the book and therefore explains the summary of the history of the band, not the history of the band per se. In contrast, I explained the narrative of the band and its members in as much detail as I could in their respective articles (save the band itself which I didn't work on). I tried to provide as much detail as I could in accordance with this policy of explaining the book's contents, not paraphrasing what the book narrates. Sol Pacificus Firestorm 20:49, November 12, 2016 (UTC)


 * Have you checked Knights of the Old Republic: Prima's Official Strategy Guide for any mention of the book?
 * I just checked. I can find no mention of it, even in the items section. The strategy guide is for the Xbox version, and I'm not sure one for the PC was ever made. It's entirely possible this little mini-quest was never part of the Xbox version of the game, which is outdated compared to the PC version. Sol Pacificus Firestorm 20:49, November 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * I will look over the article again after you finish with these objections.-- Exiled Jedi  ( talk ) 15:28, November 12, 2016 (UTC)