Talk:Mission to Mustafar/Legends

When is this refered to as the "Mission to Mustafar"? --SparqMan 22:03, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * i think it is the name of the level in the video game--134.179.250.43 13:56, 30 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It's also stated like that on the List of battles. There are several other conflicts in the Clone Wars that are listed as missions. -- Riffsyphon1024 15:22, 30 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Good for the list. If it's a level in the video game, then it should be about the level. An article to describe what occured in that scene of the film is absurd. --SparqMan 15:40, 30 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Well how exactly are we to describe the slaying of all the remaining CIS members? This wasn't part of the Great Jedi Purge. -- Riffsyphon1024 15:42, 30 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * In each of their entries, in Vader's entry. Do you have a page "Destruction of Alderaan"? It would be an equally silly idea. --SparqMan 15:53, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * This is silly. The event does not need its own page, it should be described in the articles of all those immediately affected. (And why on Kessel is this under List of battles? If anything, it was murder) --Imp 14:02, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Sparq: Yes, there is an article for the Destruction of Alderaan. It was a significant event, as much as events like the Ghorman Massacre. Why would it be a silly idea to have an article about it? But this probably isn't the right place to discuss that article. – Aidje talk 14:37, 15 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, Wikipedia has articles on The Gunfight at the O.K. Corral, The Natchez Sandbar fight, and several other murders, massacres, and duels which are arguably less significant to world history than Vader killing the Separatists or the Vader/Obi-Wan duel are to Star Wars history. We could put this up on VfD, but if we delete it, some anon will likely create it anew (only with worse spelling.)  &mdash; Silly Dan  22:47, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * To Riffsyphon1024I almost know how all the CIS members die! Should put it up here tomorrow. Correct me if I am wrong on one. If anyone has info, tell it to me so I will be correct.(need cat miin, San hill, wat tambor, order of them, and gunray.)-wattamb2000
 * I thought that was already all on their articles and within the Ep III article. Why does that need to be addressed again? -- Riffsyphon1024 18:08, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I ment Haako by Gunray and I did not see Cat, Shu, Wat, or San die, so how do Wookeepedians know?-wattamb2000
 * See Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith (novel). More details were given in the book. -- Riffsyphon1024 22:34, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I need the movie facts of Cat Miin.-wattamb2000
 * I am starting the article tonight but withiut Cat. I will add her when someone tells me how they found out about cat miin or if she actually looses her head.-wattamb2000
 * I know I said we should keep this article, but do we actually need the blow-by-blow? "A battle droid fires but Vader blocks it and sends the bolt back at the droid. Wat Tambor runs into the conference room as Vader turns his head, and his eyes are yellow. Nute Gunray crawls from under a table and two Destroyer droids enter...."  We're better off just explaining which significant people were killed, and maybe leaving last words and exact mortal wounds to specific character articles.  &mdash; Silly Dan  18:14, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * At least include the main charectors exact deaths, Poggle, San, Shu, Wat, Passel, and Rune-wattamb2000
 * I think it's sufficient for the purposes of this article to say that they died. &mdash; Silly Dan  23:32, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Wattamb2000, I've removed the really banal last words like "No!" and "Stop!", and the deaths of nameless battledroids. I don't think that level of detail is really needed.  Gunray's last words are somewhat relevant, though. (I should also point out that I don't recall the exact order they were killed, which you think is important.)  &mdash; Silly Dan  21:24, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Is the Star Wars episode 3 comic graphic- novel thing Canon? I saw Po Nudo being forced against a table. In the movie he is slashed on his stumach--wattamb2000
 * Yes it's canon. But for pity's sake, *how* Po Nudo dies exactly is barely relevant. It's enough to say that he was killed by Darth Vader. We don't want a blow-by-blow account. It is irrelevant. QuentinGeorge 12:21, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * See canon for discussion &mdash; generally, the latest release of the movie comes first, then deleted but filmed scenes, then the screenplay, then novels, comic books, and other adaptations. But, as I said, I'm not sure that the exact details of how Po Nudo was killed are relevant. Recall that on this talk page, some people have argued the entire article is unnecessary.  &mdash; Silly Dan  12:23, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * (Please tell me if I'm posting this in the correct place, there's so many different indentations on this page that I'm confused) I think that an event should be given a Wiki entry if it actually has a proper name in the SW universe. The Ghorman Massacre, and in real life, The Gunfight at the O.K. Corral are actually named that.  Is the "Destruction of Alderaan" a real, capitalized name?  If not, then I think its entry should be removed, with its contents covered in other articles, such as the ones about the Death Star or Tarkin.  The same goes for this "Mission to Mustafar" article. JimRaynor55 12:37, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * In both cases, I believe the titles are arbitrary, but the events are worth writing about as events. (I'm not sure what else the Destruction of Alderaan would be called if you wanted to treat it as a proper name, anyway.) &mdash; Silly Dan  12:58, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Some pics, gifs, and vids-Po Nudo Being slashed, Poggles in there too. DELETED.--wattamb2000
 * Bootlegs could get wikicites in serious trouble! Except for the .gif, which I  think  is legal. Demented Smiloid 23:57, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Here is Slaughter of the Separatists Frame by Frame: Link for Slaughter of the Separatists--wattamb2000
 * Okay, by watching the ROTs scene in slo-mo, these are the deaths I can confirm.


 * Denaria Kee gets stabbed through the heart.
 * Passel Argente gets slashed from the waist up.
 * Lott Dodd gets slashed.
 * Poggle the Lesser is sliced in half.
 * Nute Gunray is obviously sliced across the chest.
 * Pu Nudo gets cut down right before Poggle's death.
 * Wat Tambor gets cut down in the conference room.
 * It appears that the other leader getting cut down in the Pu Nudo and Poggle the Lesser death clip is Tikkes.

I'll update it with more info continually. --Bly1993
 * Why does it matter what happened and to whom? They all died. Plus, no source states that Dod was on Mustafar. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:29, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Once again I ask, why does it matter what happened to each person and in what order? Admiral J. Nebulax 22:32, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It doesn't, which is why we agreed months ago to put all the deaths as a simple list. If Bly1993 or Wattamb want to change the order I listed them in, that's fine, as far as I'm concerned.  But a blow by blow description is completely unnecessary, and I'll take it out of the article whenever I notice it's added.  &mdash; Silly Dan  23:26, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Silly Dan. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:09, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * In order
 * The 2 gaurds were slashed on the chest (according to pres picture)
 * A Battle droid was cut from waist up.
 * Poggle's aide was slashed from head to waist
 * 2 Neimoidians were cut in half
 * A battle droid lost his head
 * Denarai Kee was stabbed through the heart
 * A battle droid was cut in half
 * A neimoidian was slashed on the stumach up to his chest
 * Po Nudo's aide was slashed on his chest
 * Passel Argente was slashed on chest (acrording to action figure)
 * San Hill was slashed on his neck (according to death in comic and order in script)
 * Tessk was slashed on chest
 * Po Nudo was slashed on his stumach
 * Poggle the Lesser was cut in half
 * A neimoidian aide was slashed from waist to neck, then back to waist making a circle after saying "Stop! No! No!"
 * A battle droid lost his legs
 * A neimoidian officer was slashed on the chest
 * A battle droid shot at vader, but he shot it right back at the droid's chest

Confrence room:

--Wattamb5000 00:44, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * RunE Haako was cut in slashed on the chest after saying "Stop! Enugh' this is not right" (death according to novel)
 * Wat Tambor was stabed in the chest (according to comic, making of book, and traiding card)
 * Shu Mai jumped onto a table and lost her head (according to novel and comic)
 * Gunray-like you didnt know
 * Once again I say, it doesn't matter. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:40, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Lott Dodd?
Well, I think it was Dodd, or it was just a Nemoidian aide. That Star Wars 3 Visual dictionary shows a pic of him on the Separatist Council page. He is the Neimoidian in a yellow hat. It says he is Nute Gunray. Who beliaves that?--wattamb2000
 * Was Lott Dodd really on Mustafar? Demented Smiloid 12:58, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * No source says he was on the planet. Plus, that isn't a picture of him. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:29, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Sun Fac?
There was this geonsian in the control bunker I think. Is he sun Fac? He looks like him. I didnt see his death either. He is not Poggle the Lesser.--wattamb2000
 * Nope. Sun Fac got killed in Republic Commando. Most Geonosians look alike, anyhow. Demented Smiloid 21:50, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

"Reward?"

 * What where the specifics on what the Seperatist Council would have received anyways? It wasn't specified it if was cash, a planet, amnesty, etc. All they were ordered to do was welcome Vader for this "reward." Any specifics? 66.177.61.78 04:47, 7 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Does it really matter? Admiral J. Nebulax 20:54, 7 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * This is actually an interesting question (though, of course, the actual question is what the separatists thought they would get, since Palpatine just intended to kill them.) &mdash; Silly Dan  21:39, 7 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It's just another question without an answer. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:43, 7 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * He could not say "My new apprentice will go there and kill you". The "reward" was something like to not make them feel uneasy. And why? Don't ask me. - TopAce 11:13, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, of course he couldn't say that. But I wonder if there was going to be an award. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:01, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Only 6 Council members were killed?
Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader says only a half dozen members of the Separatist Council were killed.

That leaves 2 alive, 3 counting the unknown one from the table on Utapau.--Rune Haako 20:28, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I find that hard to believe. Grievous moved the entire council to Mustafar. It's probably an error on the count of Dark Lord's author. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:30, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Picture
in the picture below "The Massacre", who is the person at the control panel on the far right? Is it Denaria Kee or Rogwa Wodrata, cos I can't see Denaria anywhere else? Mastermundi 14:18, 24 March 2006 (UTC) But it has Denaria's curly hat thingy. Mastermundi 13:57, 28 March 2006 (UTC) The person looks a bit too fat to be a neimoidian, is wearing purple robes like Denaria, and this image in the Denaria Kee article shows that person in the same place as where this person was getting stabbed. Mastermundi 11:51, 31 March 2006 (UTC) And also, there are only 4 droids in the room, but we see 5 get killed. I know it's insignificant - it's just bothering me. Mastermundi 09:40, 3 April 2006 (UTC) http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/3904/fivedroids3zo.jpg Plus there's a commander here so thats 6 droids, but we don't see it get sliced. http://img91.imageshack.us/img91/2240/commanderdroid5fm.jpg --Rune Haako 10:51, 3 April 2006 (UTC) Thanks for the pic. I couldn't se the one nearest the door - it's a bit dark. Mastermundi 14:20, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * That would be a Neimoidian aide. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:06, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No, that's a standard Neimoidian mitter. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:21, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * My bad, I was thinking of the Neimoidian further back. You might be right. That could be Denaria Kee. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 18:22, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I see five droids here,
 * User:Rune Haako, what would we ever do without your images? And I'm not being sarcastic. ;) Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:30, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I like posting pics. :)--Rune Haako 13:40, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I can tell you one thing&mdash;you've cleared up tons of things regarding the CIS, so keep up the good work. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:43, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, will do. :)--Rune Haako 13:46, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Back to the topic on hand, how can we be sure that the commander was not in the first image? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:49, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * They're all security droids, you can't really tell from the quality of the image (I try, sorry), but from watching the film you can tell.--Rune Haako 14:01, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh. Thank you for clearing that up. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:03, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

The extra commander droid could just be due to bad editing. Mastermundi 14:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC) Oh yeah. I didn't think of that. Mastermundi 13:23, 4 April 2006 (UTC) Right, and also just before we see Rute getting slashed, Anakin goes the other way and kills a neimoidian. Totalled up, there is one extra neimoidian seen killed than seen alive when Sidious is talking. Mastermundi 14:28, 3 April 2006 (UTC) http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/1053/namelessneimoidians1vh.jpg*
 * Or maybe not. Considering the fact that it's the command bunker, there could always be a commander. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 15:52, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course, we don't know for sure. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:29, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * We see four nameless Neimoidians killed, here's four when Sidious is done talking. :P --Rune Haako 13:59, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops, I'm wrong I just noticed a 5th one killed, sorry. :P--Rune Haako 14:04, 10 April 2006 (UTC)