Forum:CT Archive/Sig policy revisited

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Now that we have a signature policy (Signature policy), I think that we need to do a little more work on it. Over at Forum:User sig policy, several possible changes have been discussed and I am going to put each amendment up for a vote. Feel free to add additional options.– Sentry  Talk 05:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Colors
Apart from the default hyperlink text color, how many additional colors should we allow?– Sentry  Talk 05:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

1 color (current policy)

 * 1)  Sentry  Talk 05:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) The sig isn't artwork, it's a signature. How many people need two (or more) pens to sign their checks at home? jSarek 11:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)  StarNeptune Talk to me! 12:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 15:33, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) —Xwing328 (Talk) 21:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) JMAS 01:06, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Havac 01:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Chack Jadson 01:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

2 colors

 * 1) I'm not sure if I would change it back to my old sig, but I would at least like the option to. -- Yoshi  626 [[Image:Yoshiegg.jpg|20px]] 05:21, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Ditto. I'm not sure if I'd use it (look at my sig) but it's always nice to have the option. Commander Jorrel Fraajic [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Communications Relay 05:25, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) I don't think it's very disruptive to have 2 colors, as long as the wikicode isn't too messed up. \/  ladius  |\/|agnum [[Image:dasymbol.gif|20px]] 15:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) I think some people enjoy having a Technicolor Dream-sig. Sir You Know My Name, N.K.-S.R.T. 18:43, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) I actually found it useful to find my own name in long discussions I hadn't visited in a while. And two colors to be decorative is a totally different thing than changing every letter of your name. Wildyoda 19:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Black's not a colour, but I fear for my vanity sig. .  .  .  .  22:56, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) -- Scwhinky Communicate [[Image:Fettrockz.gif|20px]] 00:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Darth Culator  (Talk)(Kills) 04:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) I think this concession is not that big of a deal. Doesn't expand the wikicode too much. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 05:18, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 10)  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 14:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Comments
Question: Does the "1 color policy" include the standard link color (like for R2-D2) or is it one basic color for everything (like my sig)? Jorrel Fraajic  Comlink 21:36, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The standard link color is seperate. Basically, it means having only one font color tag in your sig, like mine. —Xwing328 (Talk) 17:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Length
Should we limit the length of signatures?– Sentry  Talk 05:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Limit to 100 characters

 * Definately limit. And, although somewhat hard to enforce, I'd gladly lead the charge. Commander Jorrel Fraajic [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Communications Relay 05:26, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * 1) DEFINITELY limit. The main problem with sigs isn't that they're obnoxious in their final form, but they make it a nightmare to read talkpages with sigs whos code is longer than most of the comments. Not to say that the final forms of the more obnoxious ones AREN'T an annoyance.  jSarek 11:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) My idea in the first place, not to brag. \/  ladius  |\/|agnum [[Image:dasymbol.gif|20px]] 15:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) It's all right; you can brag if you want to. Sir You Know My Name, N.K.-S.R.T. 18:49, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) I think this is really the main thing that we HAVE a signature policy for, keeping things manageable. And I don't think it really WILL be that hard to enforce now that we HAVE a policy, seeing as we'll start to notice the more obnoxious/rule-bending sigs now. Wildyoda 19:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) JMAS 01:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Havac 01:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Darth Culator  (Talk)(Kills) 04:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) If I become admin, I'm not going to nitpick over this one, but outrageous sigs should definitely be limited. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 05:17, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Limit to 50 visible characters and/or 350 invisible characters

 * 1) Less vague. Jorrel Fraajic [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Comlink 05:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) This seems OK.  Although I don't think the invisbile characters matter much within reason. - Fnlayson 05:36, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)  Yoshi  626 [[Image:Yoshiegg.jpg|20px]] 05:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, boo hoo. If you can't figure out where a sig starts and ends you shouldn't be near a Wiki anyway. .  .  .  .  06:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

No policy

 * Not really no policy, but sign your sigs like mine is for this comment, which will cut down drastically on page clutter. Then follow the other sig policies, which will bring individual signatures down to a reasonable length. 17:52, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Comments
Note that this will be somewhat difficult to enforce.– Sentry  Talk 05:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Does this mean 100 coded characters (such as  ) or 100 visible characters? My current sig uses 121 characters, and it is very plain, so I presume you mean what's actually visible.  —Xwing328 (Talk) 21:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I have no idea. It wasn't my idea, but it seems to me that if we are talking about wiki code a 100 character limit is too low and if we are talking about output it is too high.– Sentry  Talk 23:08, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that we need to rethink this one a bit. Note that 158 wiki markup characters are required to generate my fairly simple signature, and I have a relatively short user name and have included no images&hellip;– Sentry  Talk 23:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * And your sig takes up two lines of space when editing, which is too much as far as I'm concerned, though I realize I'm probably in the minority on this. jSarek 00:43, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Sentry: What was the problem again with signing a sig like instead of using subst? It would definitely cut down on the messiness this way.  —Xwing328 (Talk) 05:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't have a problem with that format. It is the format that I was using for six months or more. I am not sure, but I think that other users believe signatures should be substituted so that they do not use up server resources&hellip;– 22:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Due to the vague discription of this policy, I've made a new one. Input is suggested. Jorrel Fraajic [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Comlink 05:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It's probably a bad idea to start the second option when the first one already has eight votes. We might need to hold off on the length vote until later. —Xwing328 (Talk) 17:21, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * If you look at my sig for this comment, it shows how we can eliminate the problem of talk page cluttering. I had actually used this before, but changed it for some unknown reason. In my preferences, I have it set to, and on User:Xwing328/sig1, it has , which is where the actual signature is stored at. 17:50, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I just did the same thing for my sig (so, later, if I want to change my sig, all of my old sigs will rebound to the new one) 17:54, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Links
What links should we allow in the signature?– Sentry  Talk 05:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

No additional links

 * 1) Anything you might link to can be reached via your user page. It's one more click in exchange for significantly cleaning up talk pages. Vanity sigs serve no purpose. Havac 01:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Talk page (current policy)

 *  Sentry  Talk 05:17, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Even this might be a bit much, but I'm willing to go with it since it already passed muster in the first vote. jSarek 11:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Having a link to your talk page is ok, but I feel having a link to your contribs is pushing it.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 12:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * 1) Having a contribution link seems like showing off.  Maybe not.  Anyway don't think it helps. Fnlayson 03:01, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Talk page & contributions

 *  Yoshi  626 [[Image:Yoshiegg.jpg|20px]] 05:51, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * 1) I don't see what's wrong with letting someone see what you've been doing. \/  ladius  |\/|agnum [[Image:dasymbol.gif|20px]] 15:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Neither do I. Sir You Know My Name, N.K.-S.R.T. 18:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) The unsigned template contains a contribs link. Obviously somebody else thought it was useful before, and that's an officially sanctioned utility template. Wildyoda 19:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Where's the problem? .  .  .  .  22:59, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

One relevant link

 * 1) Talk page, or contributions link, or user page on other wiki, or any one other relevant link, in addition to the user page link. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 15:30, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) This is actually better than the talk only. Use your extra link for whatever you like, so long as you only have one. jSarek 00:41, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) JMAS 01:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) If there are more links than this it gets annoying. Chack Jadson 01:53, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) One link to do with as you please.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 15:26, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) —Xwing328 (Talk) 17:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Sounds fair.– Sentry  Talk 22:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Talk page and one relevant link

 * 1) Darth Culator  (Talk)(Kills) 04:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Thanks Culator... Jorrel Fraajic [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Comlink 04:23, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) This sounds good. -- Yoshi  626 [[Image:Yoshiegg.jpg|20px]] 04:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) \/  ladius   |\/|agnum [[Image:dasymbol.gif|20px]] 13:45, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 5)  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 14:29, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Comments
What about a "Talk page & one revelant link?" For example, expand on the "Talk page & contributions" section to include another link instead of the contrib link? Jorrel Fraajic  Comlink 02:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Superscript and subscript
Should we disallow nested superscript and subscript tags like this ?– Sentry  Talk 05:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Disallow nested and   tags

 * 1)  Sentry  Talk 05:22, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Messing up the formatting to have a cuter signature is not a good idea. jSarek 11:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) YES!!  StarNeptune Talk to me! 12:31, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 15:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Something I agree with. \/  ladius  |\/|agnum [[Image:dasymbol.gif|20px]] 15:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Commander Jorrel Fraajic [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Communications Relay 16:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yea, verily. Sir You Know My Name, N.K.-S.R.T. 18:46, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Death to nesting. Wildyoda 19:05, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) —Xwing328 (Talk) 21:26, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Definitely no! - JMAS 01:05, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) One or other but not both super and subscripts. - Fnlayson 03:03, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) This Is incredibly annoying and should be punishable by death. (Except when used to make a point, obviously. :-P) Darth Culator  (Talk)(Kills) 04:08, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) *Wow, that completely screwed up the entire page... Jorrel Fraajic [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Comlink 04:09, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) **It looks much better in Firefox than IE. In Firefox, it doesn't cause lines to overlap. -- Darth Culator  (Talk)(Kills) 04:11, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Now this, I would enforce. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 05:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) Good God, that's horrible. Time for it to go. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 14:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Comments
Does "nested" mean dual and or does it include with sigs like mine? Commander Jorrel Fraajic Communications Relay 05:28, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Nested means that you have one embedded within the other. Your sig is fine. The reason why I think they should be outlawed is that they really screw up the page formatting.– 05:41, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought that was. Commander Jorrel Fraajic [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Communications Relay 16:29, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Heh, Whistler voted ;) Jorrel Fraajic  Comlink 21:27, 14 January 2007 (UTC)