Talk:Luke Skywalker/Archive2

Duel with Reborn Emperor
Should it be noted that when Luke has a lightsaber battle with the reborn Emperor that Leia was using her force power to give him strength? In the panels in the comic, it shows her directly behind Luke and the Emperor with a glow around her. When Luke asks her to join force auras she says," I already am, Luke. Haven't you sensed it?" I think she influenced his winning. Also, could this be Battle Meditation? --Jedimasterbob 00:18, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * That is not true, because Leia was trying to get through Luke's mind, to minimalize the dark side voices clouding Luke's mind. As a result of that, Luke was able to fully resist the pull of the dark side, and tells the Emperor that his shroud of evil has been lifted, due to Leia's efforts as well as his own struggle. Also, this is further explained in the audio drama - Leia was a pure spectator, and it is said that during the battle, Luke and the Emperor were moving so fast, Leia could hardly even see them, and could only feel waves of power emanating from them. However, it is likely that both Luke and Leia know battle meditation. When Luke and Kam explores artifacts in DE 2, they encounter the book on battle meditation, which Kam was unable to read but Luke was, and he promised himself to study that, as well as all the other books, which he probably completed in a few years.


 * No, I to think leia and her unborn child transmitted their own force into Luke so he could be powerful enough to defeat Sidious. If you read Dark Empire, you see that Luke and Palpatine dueled with lightsabers before they met Leia. They dueled in the cloning lab while Luke was trying rebel against the dark side. And Palpatine pawned Luke. So, even though Luke was a great Jedi, even his skills alone weren't enough to defeat Sidious'. And tats been proven when he engaged Sids in combat, got pawned and was forced to bow down and become and Sids apprentice once again.


 * No, you are wrong. Luke lost the first duel because he was trying to use the dark side against the Emperor, which the Emperor skillfully turned to his own advantage, manipulating him. The second duel has been a one on one duel with Luke and the Emperor, this time Luke freed from the Emperor's manipulations and the dark side's seduction, and using the light side alone, and defeated the dark side. I have already provided proof as to how Leia or the unborn child had [b]absolutely nothing[/b] to do with their second duel. Their previous battle has absolutely nothing to do with their final duel, because this was the clear minded Luke vs the Emperor.


 * Okay, you've convinced me that Luke couldn't defeat the emperor the first time because he was using the dark side. I agree that Leia cleared his head before the duel, although credit should be given to her for rescuing him.  Does the audio drama actually say she was just spectating?  It's not clear at what point she joined her force power to him.  If it was during the battle, it may not be battle meditation, but it could have helped.  I'm not going to change anything right now, though.  Thanks for the info on their battle meditation, and please sign your posts.  --Jedimasterbob 16:27, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Alright put it this way, the emperor was one of the best fighters in the galaxy. And without the help of Leia, Luke couldnt have defeated the emperor. He wouldve fell to the dark side and become Sids new apprentice. Only the Skywalker TWINS can defeat Sids in combat. Seperated Luke and leia are screwed, and that is shown in when alone the engaged the emperor and lost. But together, the have enough power to beat him.
 * Not neccarily. Anakin (whole) and Luke Skywalker had 2 times the force power and Palps.  -Finlayson 16:01, 2 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, but Luke does not have the training that Palpatine does, especially at the time Dark Empire occurs. He still has much to learn. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 16:06, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Leia only used Battle meditation once in Empire's End, and no record exists that suggest Luke ever learn or use Battle meditation. 2) I, too, have read the script of the audio version (available on theforce.net, actually). No hard evidence in either the comic or the audio version shows that Leia was actively helping Luke through the Force when Luke engaged Palpatine in the lightsaber duel. 3) I agree that Luke had a better chance winning Palpatine when he use pure light instead of applying dark stuff. About training and experience: well, Obi-Wan killed Maul, a more experienced Juyo practitioner; and Anakin defeated Dooku, the Makashi master who had 60 more years of experience in lightsaber combat than Ani. Darth Kevinmhk 16:34, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Leia's dialogue seems to imply that both she and her unborn child were aiding Luke in his duel with Sidious, and this might have been elaborated upon in the endnotes or a sourcebook. I'd have to check again. And saying Luke was attempting to use the Dark Side to battle Palpatine before in their first duel is nothing but conjecture, it is never explicitely stated. And for the record, Anakin never had the capacity to beat Palpatine at any point in his lifetime. He had the potential to beat Palpatine if he had won his duel with Obi-Wan and become more experienced later on, but never lived up to that potential obviously. By the time of Dark Empire, Luke obviously didn't have the power alone to beat him. --Exor 20:56, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Is he the best
Luke has surpassed the srtongest of foes the galaxy has to offer like the emperor. Also he became the grandmaster quicker than yoda did. So is luke the greatest jedi to have lived?
 * Luke became a grand master faster because he declared himself Grand Master - and because given how little manpower the NJO had, no one else can match him. Plus, Luke was already de facto Grand Master for years. And he is the only one who receive his knowledge from OJO master in 1-to-1 learning method - and the teacher is Yoda! Not to mention his midi-chlorian rich Skywalker blood! Luke has so many advantage which others have not. Darth Kevinmhk 02:15, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

In one of the New Jedi Order books, Kyp Durron mentions that he is more powerful in the force than Luke. Is this true??? LordRevan
 * It was probably just boasting. --  Doo Doo  talk [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|22px]] 02:21, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it was mentioned in the Jedi Academy trilogy that Kyp Duron had more Force potential than Luke however in the NJO books Luke has much greater control of the Force than Kyp so Luke is stronger.Grunny 03:34, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
 * LordRevan, Aaron Allstons website's FAQ said this was purely from Kyps point of view. Kyp thinks hes stronger in the force than Luke.

Okay, thank you guys for the clarification. LordRevan 01:07, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Just FYI, in an interview with Vanity fair as well as during the new DVD commentary, George Lucas states that Luke possessed the same raw power/potential of Anakin Skywalker, which is why both Darth Vader and the Emperor wanted Luke to be their own apprentice. Anakin Skywalker's potential is as high as it gets, and Lucas himself has measured it to be 200% more powerful than the Emperor. He notes that while Anakin lost a lot of that potential, and reverted to being around 80% as powerful as the Emperor, Luke represented all of it. By what we have seen as well as from the words of George Lucas himself, we could certainly conclude that Luke Skywalker is the most powerful force user that has ever lived, or would ever live, since he represents what Anakin Skywalker would've been, had he not become more machine than man.

Kyp was just chatting rubbish...No one is as strong in the force as Luke or Leia because they appearantly have the same count as Anakin...who the NES states to be the strongest being in the force in the history of the galaxy...sooo with that said...no one can equal their amount of midichlorians by natural birth except u are born of the force or u descend from someone born of the force itself...Luke is by far the most powerful Jedi in his time and probably would have been a contender for the most powerful if he was in the old order, Kyp is incredibly strong in the force...BUT he cannot compare to Luke...no one can...with Luke's little amount of training and self tutoring he has become the most powerful jedi and displays feats even Mace Windu would bow down 2....Luke is what Anakin could have been...Luke is a demi god..Kyp is nothing..Jibers 23:25, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

I think Kyp says this because he believes Luke is limiting his own power by not drawing on the dark side, which Kyp still flirts with. Cortle Steeze 17:35, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Where is it stated Anakin and Luke have the same potential? Which DVD? What issue of Vanity Fair? User:Lightsnake

Lukes ultimate duel
If luke and yoda were to clash it would be the greatest duel. The question is who will win? Luke has power and control unlike yoda, but yoda has experience and all lightsaber combat knowledge. In the end who would win?

LUKE DUH

I would say an ultimate duel would be a duel between Luke and Revan. Don't you agree. LordRevan 01:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Revan is nothing compared to Darth Vader!

Yoda has more control than Luke what are you saying....Luke has to use Darkside abilities like electric judgement Yoda does not rely on the darkside...Luke sometimes goes dark....Yoda would win no matter how powerful Luke has become...Power means nothing compared to experience, as Obi Wan taught Darth Vader ( Vader was stronger but Obi was more experienced.....and in this case it is the perfect example...Yoda has 800+ experience while Luke barely scrapes 30+...If Luke used Darkside powers he could win...but if they both relied on the lightside the Luke would Lose because Yoda is the ultimate lightsider...Jibers 23:32, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Indeed. Although Luke is probably the most powerful force user ever, Yoda has tremendous experience that gains him an even footing.

Luke would wipe the floor with Yoda. By the time of LOTF, he's perhaps one of the most powerful Force wielders of all time. The only other Force user I can think of that can give Luke a run for his money (in an even match) is Palpatine at the time of Dark Empire. If experience had anything to do with it, Yoda wouldn't have lost in his battle with Sidious. --Exor 20:45, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Vong Kills?
the talents section...it says he killed thosands of vong, hundreds in the battle of Coruscant alone? do we really think this many? Jedi Dude 20:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * 1) Luke's abilities with a lightsaber and the Force allow him to prevail over thousands of Yuuzhan Vong warriors, along with other enemies. Luke defeated Supreme Overlord Shimrra Jamaane, who on his own could kill many Jedi.
 * 2) After defeating hundreds of Yuuzhan Vong warriors Luke defeated more than five Slayers; while Kyp Durron, one of the most powerful Jedi of his time, could not best even one Slayer.
 * 3) Luke mows through the elite guard of the Supreme Overload to reach him. Later Luke thought that he could have gone even further by drawing power from the Force. Jacen and Jaina, by this time the elites of the Jedi Knights, could not track Luke.
 * all of this i think could od with some better wording? Jacen and Jaina were the elites? Jedi Dude 21:39, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Prevail doesnt equal to Kill, and the article used defeat hundreds, not kill thousands; elites are not THE best, apart from Luke's first class of masters, the Solos were right behind. (Actually, my reading havn't reach Unifying Force yet) Darth Kevinmhk 02:36, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * the way prevail is said here it is impying he killed, specially since the vong never surrended. Jacen and jaina wre elites though, it just doesn't seem the right way to put it. Jedi Dude 14:04, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Recently rewrote to be better NPOV. Darth Kevinmhk 06:03, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * much better thanks Jedi Dude 11:53, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Death
Uh... when did he died?, since a child, i waited for his death, he has been alive for too much time, and then i find out he also appears in a bunch of novels and comics, DID HE DIED? When? How? --Clone Paratrooper 17:03, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Prior to the Star Wars: Legacy comics, along with our other classic heroes. No one knows how, though - Kwenn 17:13, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * and it will proberly reamin that way, because if he is never stated to of died then there will always be that mystique and a potentiol book about his death when the star wars franchise runs out Jedi Dude 17:20, 21 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I hope he dies, i mean: He's been alive for 5 eras, it's just to much. --Clone Paratrooper 19:10, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No it's not. How do we know that he even dies? There is no canon source for this. 24.158.73.178 14:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * yes, legacy its easy to see with Kol in charge that Luke is gone, he can't live forever :P. and no its not to much, no wsay near. Jedi Dude 14:54, 24 July 2006 (UTC) 5 eras? what do you mean? The skywalker epoch hasn't even gone through three eras (clone wars, new republic) yet alone 5! Jedi Dude 14:54, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, luke lived for 5 eras: Rise of the empire era, Rebellion era, New Republic era, New jedi order era, and, according to the article: Legacy era. --Clone Paratrooper 10:54, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * there not complete eras though surely? If so my mistkae, byt the skywalker line like the solo one will continue to go on. Jedi Dude 11:12, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I dont see the Solo line exists in 137 ABY yet. Darth Kevinmhk 11:30, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * He can't live for about a 100 years right? He is not Yoda... Darth Sauron 16:37, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * actually if you have read betryel you know he can, human age has gone up, they can now live to around 120 (medical advances etc) so yes Luke could live that long WITHOUT the force, with the force maybe even longer Jedi Dude 11:51, 4 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Wow, so maybe he never died or will die...i bet they will release a book about his death, maybe it will be called "Return of The Sith"? there's no fanfic about that, right? --Clone Paratrooper 16:22, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Correction regarding human age - normal humans live upto 120 years, but those strong in the force has a lifespan of [b]at least[/b] twice that long. This is explicitly stated in the SWRC rulebook, which is officially stated as on the same canon level as all the novels. In addition, there are already examples of human beings who lived over 300 years long (Vima da Boda, Mother Rell etc.).


 * Didn't he live through 4 because shortly before he was born Palpatine reorganized the Republic into the Galactic Empire? Dumac 04:28, 18 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It is possible that he simply merges with the force and doesnt actually die. Honestly I wouldnt be surprised. Personally I think Luke is a swell dude, I mean with all he went through he still has some form of humanity left in him.


 * You are all wrong, The legacy of the saga must live on. Its bad enouph ankin skywalker the jedi chosen one being dead. And all you guys can do is brag about how the chosen ones son dies. You all should be ashamed. Its a true jedi leagcy trying to teach us certain lessons and point of views and death isnt the main key.
 * That's nice, but whether "dead" or merged with the Force, Luke is officially considered deceased as of the Legacy comics. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 22:28, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Married Status
In this entry, it states the fact that Luke married Mara Jade. However, shouldn't there be some mention of the fact that, in the Old Jedi Order, Jedi were NOT allowed to marry or even fall in love?? This entry does not discuss that matter at all, and merely talks about Luke's search for and eventual discovery of a mate as if it's not big deal or breach of Jedi code.
 * Since the Old Order is extinct, and Luke has no idea what their rules were, it isn't a big deal. Who's going to stop him? QuentinGeorge 08:15, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The spirit of Obi Wan Kenobi?-Anakin Skywalker 1 02:54, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Those moral conflict better suits the New Jedi Order article as part of the difference against the Old Order. Darth Kevinmhk 11:27, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's a New Jedi Order. Besides the Old Jedi Order only banned marriage later on, I beleive.  -Finlayson 16:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, following Order 66, Yoda appears to have rethought his views on attachment, thanks to his chats with Qui-Gon. Note he allows the "last two" Jedi in the galaxy to grow up in the company of loving families, not Jedi such as himself or Obi-Wan, so perhaps this new thinking is something Luke picked up on - Kwenn 20:50, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

"My grandfather was married to my grandmother." "Yes, but Corellian Jedi are... well... Corellian."

- Corran Horn and Skywalker

That's not the only example of marriage, though... Andur Sunrider was married to Nomi, and Ki-Adi Mundi had multiple wives. Cortle Steeze 09:08, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Mara says in Betrayal that the Old Jedi Order may have been right to discourage marriage, or else the Jedi would be worrying about their kids too much. C3PO the Dragon Slayer 00:49, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I Don’t Agree With People Who Think That They Shouldn’t Have Gotten Married Simple Because The Old Jedi Ways Say That The Jedi Should Not Love. To Deny Such Feelings As Love Or Any Type Of Feelings Is Completely Illogical. They Are Apart Of Us And Are Inescapable. Human Beings And Even Alien Beings Must Deal With These Types Of Emotions Everyday To The Day They Die. For Someone To Simply Deny And Try To Erase Any Emotions Only Increases Them To Come Out In Unexpected And Uncontrollable Ways.
 * They Only Answer To The Jedi To Deny Nearly All Emotions They Would Have To Be Like The Vulcans From The Star Trek Universe. An Alien Race Who Suppresses All Emotions And Use Only Reason and Logical To Govern. But They Are Also Able To Care, To Love, Get Married and Have Children. Of Course One Of The Many Flaws In The Star Wars Universe Has It That If Someone Simply Gets Angry They Fall To The Dark Side.


 * Anon, this post has been inactive for quite some time, so reactivating it serves no purpose. And as much as you are entitled to your personal opinions, this is not the place to discuss that. I suggest you take your opinion to the Starwars.com or TheForce.net forums. And using initial caps is unnecessary at this site. Cheers. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 15:02, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Awwwww. Was it too hard for you to read that????????? poor baby...
 * And using initial caps is unnecessary at this site.

Not a place to discuss...hmmmmmm...yeah... then you might want too take off where it says discussion up there. And if we do discuss things like that here... what the fuck are you going to do about it??????????


 * This page is designed to discuss revisions to the article and other items relevant to the content of this article, not personal opinions and certainly not about Jedi marriage. As you seem to be a vandal, this will be lost on you. As such, you will most likely be blocked for trolling and personal attacks. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 14:39, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

24.5.121.95's edit
It was mostly unecessary. All except fixing a present tense sentence.--Darth Oblivion 00:12, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Destroying army of droids
When does Luke ever do this? I don't recall it.
 * Dark Empire 1. Darth Kevinmhk 02:10, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Things to expand on Luke

 * Here is a list of things to expand on this article. As you finish or add the necessary information, please scratch it off as per below and sign your name.


 * The Courtship of Princess Leia Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 16:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The Truce at Bakura Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 16:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Survivor's Quest Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 16:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * First Corellian Crisisbooks Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 16:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 16:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Black Fleet Crisis Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 17:10, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Young Jedi Knights series  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff [[Image:Jbig3.JPG |20px]] 00:16, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Marvel Star Wars
 * During OT
 * Post RotJ


 * Jedi Knight video games
 * Children of the Jedi Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 16:49, 8 September 2006 (UTC) and User:Finlayson
 * Darksaber Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 23:09, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Planet of Twilight
 * The New Rebellion
 * The Crystal Star


 * Jedi Search  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 17:26, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Dark Apprentice Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 17:26, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Champions of the Force Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 14:42, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

Thank you for your contributions to this vital topic. Atarumaster88  ( Audience Chamber ) 16:55, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Looks like Children of the Jedi, Darksaber & Planet of Twilight are covered fairly well. Not much left to say except for a few words maybe. -Finlayson 22:55, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * While I did do a pretty good job on expanding those sections, I don't remember how Luke got onboard the Eye of Palpatine, the details of how the Planet of Twilight crisis was resolved, but I think I've gotten everything out of Darksaber that I can. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 23:09, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * why was Battlegrounds crosses out? Its storyline isnt in the article yet... --Razzy1319 17:30, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it's covered. Also, Children of the Jedi, Planet of Twilight, YJK, and Crystal Star only need minor expansion. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 04:24, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Ben's final message
Ben's last message to Luke is listed here before the Courtship of Princess Leia, but actually happens at the start of Heir to the Empire. --JMM 06:27, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Feel free to fix it, JMM... ;) QuentinGeorge 06:46, 4 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Moved that paragraph to the proper place. Added Jedi before seaches to get the idea across.  That could be worded better though. -Finlayson 16:13, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * It was probably messed up because I've been the only one doing any major expansions on Luke and I have zero sources in front of me- I'm going off of memory. Feel free to fix my chronological and possible inaccuracy errors, but I don't think there are too many. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 16:40, 4 September 2006 (UTC)