User talk:Tinwe

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Teril
I noticed you added the sources tag to an article I just created and forgot to include the appearances to. Am I allowed to remove the tag now that I added the appearances section? --Juha 08:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, another practitioner of Teräs Käsi, I see. ;) Which uni do study at? (By the way, I'm not really sure how one is supposed to reply to another person's posts. Am I supposed to continue the conversation on your talk page or my talk page or what?) --Juha 09:02, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not so sure about the talk page etiquette either. I guess whichever way seems more practical... :) I study at the university of Joensuu, in the Savonlinna campus. --Tinwe 09:09, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright. Studying English must be nice. Is it your first or second year? I've thought about trying to get into uni myself, but I'm still not sure if I want to study or what I should study. I've thought about studying English and translation like you, but I'm not sure if that's my thing, because I'm more interested in music. --Juha 09:26, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Lord of the Rings Wiki
Just wondered whether you had joined up to The Lord of the Rings Wikicity (being a LOTR fan and all)?--Darth Mantus 19:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC) You should really help it out, it needs all the help it can get. I try to add my part, but it is coming real slow. I have a question for you: What was your favorite story in the Silmarillion? I thought the creation of the swarves bit was great.--Quidon88 04:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No, at least not yet. I'm actually more on the Silmarillion side, but still, an interesting idea. (And I do know the LOTR wiki is for Silmarillion-related stuff too, I'm not all that ignorant. :) --Tinwe 09:07, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Nashira
A long time coming, but great job on the Nashira article. Now there's only three red links and the Akanah page will be complete. Bwa ha ha :P Cull Tremayne 06:30, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much :) I'm glad you like it, it wasn't an easy piece to do since I haven't actually read the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy, and had to rely mostly on second-hand sources. --Tinwe 08:00, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Contact
How can I contact you? --  D o o D o o  08:01, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply, I've just come back from my Easter holiday at my parents' place and they only have this really slow modem internet connection, so I decided to spare my nerves and haven't been here for almost two weeks. But as an answer to your actual question: write on my talk page ;) I'm a bit paranoid about giving my email address to people I don't know, so this is the best way to reach me. I am in the process of getting a gmail address though (as the two addresses I have now are rather "personal," and I like to keep a certain degree of anonymity in the 'net), so I guess I'll paste that one on my userpage sometime in the near future. But in the meantime, if you're not planning to make any inappropriate suggestions (heh, just kidding :P), this is the best place for contacting me. And who knows... If the reason why you'd like to contact me requires more lenghty conversations, I might be able to be persuaded into giving my email address after all :) --Tinwe 13:46, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

A cookie for your work

 * * has an idiotic grin on her face * Thank you, this certainly brightened my day! --Tinwe 14:05, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Damn, I was just on my way to give you a cookie for the same thing. Oh well. --Imp 20:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, there's no rule against giving two cookies for the same work, is there? ;) Thanks for the thought, though. I really appreciate it. --Tinwe 05:59, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Proposed new policy change

 * Feel free to comment on Forum:Relations with other websites. MyNz 09:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Suilannad

 * Suilannad o paland&ocirc;r, inu elvellon. Mae Govannen. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Audience Chamber ) 17:05, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey that's sweet... Utuuvienye quendi eldalambion!! MoffRebus 06:53, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Aiya! Elen síla lúmenn' omentielvo. (Actually, my Elvish is a bit rusty (I had to check some of the words you used, shame on me). That's why I have to resort to using phrases... I think I'll stick to "modern Quenya," aka Finnish :) --Tinwe 07:04, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I always have to use a dictionary, but mine only covers Sindarin, so I think we're speaking different languages. Mae govannen is one of the few phrases I now. I know more Spanish than Elvish, sad to say. Anyway, nice to meet a Tolkien fan, even if I can't understand the Quenya you said. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Audience Chamber ) 15:20, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Basically it's just a greeting, but you know Elves, they can't just say "hello," they say things like "a star shines on the hour of our meeting" (that's what the phrase means, plus "aiya" is "hail" as a greeting). I'm not really a master of the Elvish languages myself, but they do fascinate me (especially their etymology). Quenya even more so than Sindarin, because it was influenced by Finnish. Funny thing though, I thought "suilannad" is Quenya? Well, of course the two languges share some vocabulary. Linguistic difficulties aside, it's nice to come across other Elf-Friends :) --Tinwe 17:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Very spiffy. My knowledge of Sindarin comes from a freeware dictionary called "Dragon Flame." You can find it by going to Google and typing in "Dragon Flame"+Sindarin. I don't know if that would work in Finnish though. I'm pretty sure that Quenya and Sindarin do share a number of words, after all the Noldor spent millenia among the Grey Elves. I don't actually have the Silmarillion on me right now, but I seem to recall reading that Quenya, especially among the kingdom of Thingol and Melian, was influenced by Sindarin. And even Feanor's family, as well as Turgon, would have had some exposure to Sindarin when they first encountered the Grey Elves. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Audience Chamber ) 19:06, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You can find some Quenya dictionaries in Ardalambion (google it). Also, there were never many Sindarin influences in Quenya except some words (eg. certar for 'runes') MoffRebus 21:58, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the dictionary tips :) I actually knew about Ardalambion, I have this huge Quenya RTF file on my computer which I downloaded way back from there. And I bought an *actual* Quenya/Sindarin dictionary (like, a book ;) from Germany a couple of summers ago. It's in German of course, but I read it quite fluently, even if can't really speak the language that much. As for Quenya influencing Sindarin and vice versa, what I meant was that Quenya and Sindarin inevitably have some similar words due to the fact that they share a parent language. --Tinwe 16:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's a nice Elvish link - I haven't explored it too thoroughly, but I know it's got some awesome phrases! :-P Actually, I can't get the link to work for some reason. Here's the nonlinkified URL: http://www.arwen-undomiel.com/elvish.html If that doesn't work, try it up to the ".com" bit, and if that doesn't work for some strange reason, just type arwen undomiel in the search bar. Hope this is useful! --Crazy Jedi Girl 03:26, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link (it seems to be working fine), I'll be sure to check it out. :) --Tinwe 09:47, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

School template
No, I don't mind. You can use it. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) 14:40, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks :) --Tinwe 07:09, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) 15:30, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Re:Tahiri's BTS
Sorry about deleting it outright &mdash; to me, it seemed that it was obvious it was original research, that's why I had. I'll make sure to bring it up on the talk page from now on, so please forgive me for my hasty actions.

It's not that I'm against name etymologies in general, and while etymologies don't necessarily need to be sourced or cited when discussing real-world articles, articles discussing fictional articles are different (as much as I deny that being a Jedi is impossible ;)). I'm sorry I wasn't clear earlier, it's not the information I consider OR, it's the analysis, or the implication of such an analysis. I don't doubt that the meanings or etymologies are false &mdash; it isn't the validity of information I'm questioning, I have no doubt the meanings are correct.  It's these sentences that I feel consitutes as unpublished analysis (or the implication of it):

"'It is not known if the author Nancy Richardson, who created Tahiri Veila, knew this.' 'Interestingly, the name of Tahiri's Yuuzhan Vong persona, Riina Kwaad, seems to be connected with purity as well...These two meanings could be seen to reflect Tahiri's relationship with Riina and her suffering in the hands of the Yuuzhan Vong. Also Kwaad means angry or evil in Dutch.'"

Had Nancy Richardson came out and said, "I knew that Tahiri meant this and this and I used that etymology to reference to Tahiri's character" or the NJO team went out and said, "Riina Kwaad is connected with purity &mdash; we purposely used the meaning of Kwadd in the Dutch language to reflect Tahiri's relationship with Riina...", then you would certainly be able to post that. Why? Because then it would be considered published analysis from a primary source.

To make my point clearer, I want to reference to the 'No original research' policy of Wikipedia's (which is the policy of Wookieepedia and other wikias as well):


 * ''"Editors often make the mistake of thinking that if A is published by a reliable source, and B is published by a reliable source, then A and B can be joined together in an article in order to advance position C. However, this would be an example of a new synthesis of published material serving to advance a position, and as such it would constitute original research. 'A and B, therefore C' is acceptable only if a reliable source has published this argument in relation to the topic of the article.


 * ''Here is an example from a Wikipedia article, with the names changed. The article was about Jones:


 * "Smith says that Jones committed plagiarism by copying references from another book. Jones denies this, and says it's acceptable scholarly practice to use other people's books to find new references."


 * ''Now comes the unpublished synthesis of published material:


 * "If Jones's claim that he consulted the original sources is false, this would be contrary to the practice recommended in the Chicago Manual of Style, which requires citation of the source actually consulted. The Chicago Manual of Style does not call violating this rule 'plagiarism.' Instead, plagiarism is defined as using a source's information, ideas, words, or structure without citing them."


 * This entire paragraph is original research, because it expresses the editor's opinion that, given the Chicago Manual of Style's definition of plagiarism, Jones did not commit it. To make the paragraph consistent with this policy, a reliable source is needed that specifically comments on the Smith and Jones dispute and makes the same point about the Chicago Manual of Style and plagiarism. In other words, that precise analysis must have been published by a reliable source in relation to the topic before it can be published in Wikipedia."

Yes, I realize that this is Wookieepedia, not Wikipedia. But original research is equated to, or at least compared to be similiar to, fanon, which is discouraged in Wookieepedia as well.

I hope I did not offend you. Your analysis based on etymologies was well-written and impressive, and I was sorry to delete it &mdash; it would have been quite good for an essay written by a true Star Wars scholar. But that analysis was not given by the authors themselves, so that is why I considered it original research.

Thank you for not being horribly mad at me or attacking me after I took the etymology section out, and I do hope "we can put together something that will please both of us," to quote you. I want you to know that I do respect you as an editor and I really want this to go pleasantly and that both of us can be pleased at the end. :)

Nai tielyar nauvar laiquë arë laurië; harya vanima aurë. ;) &mdash;Mir  len 
 * No problem and thanks. As for people being civilized...well some conflicts I was involved in and was not involved in over at Wikipedia made me thankful of people who didn't immediately attack somebody for editing their work.  :P


 * And yes, the passage seems like a good compromise. I might just make the transitions smoother between the paragraphs if I have time later.  Cheers! :) &mdash;Mir  len  18:39, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, cool. Oh wow, I totally forgot about how I made a contribution to Tahiri's article over at Wikipedia.  *grins*  That was way back then when I was a newbie, heh.  I only added the first bullet, but I didn't make it bullet format I don't think.  Or if I did...well, a lot of my thinking has changed since then.  Anyway, enough of my rambling.  Yeah, go ahead with the Prophecies section in BTS &mdash; I don't see why not. &mdash;<font color="DB7093">Mir <font color="DB7093"> len  22:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

FA nom objection

 * Lin dambeth erin i pethin dhor Jaina Solo. Sidh no anle, brennil odhellim. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Audience Chamber ) 03:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ahh... would you be a darling and switch to English, please? My Sindarin is really rusty and I don't have my dictionary with me right now, and Dragon Flame isn't working today. I think I know what you're on about, but I want to be sure before answering properly. ;) --Tinwe 13:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure. I asked if you would look at the FA nom objection you had on Jaina Solo, though with some slight rewording because some of those words don't exist in Sindarin! It translated literally to something like "thy answer on the "high words" (FA) of Jaina Solo (please)? Peace be with you, elf-maid." And yes, I had to use Dragon Flame a lot! Mine is pretty rusty also. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Audience Chamber ) 15:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for the linky! I now have up to book eight, instead of just book two! I feel so happy! :) Well, yeah, thanks... where on earth (or in the Star Wars galaxy, LOL) did you come across that? It's awesome!--Crazy Jedi Girl 08:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome. :) Glad I could help. I don't even remember how I first stumbled upon the site, I guess I came across the link in some dark corner of the 'net where I like to hang out. ;) (That was namely before I found the very same link on Darth Culator's user page.) The site is indeed awesome, even if it's not very copyright-abiding. Krhmm. --Tinwe 11:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Now I have access to all those Star Wars books... all I have to do now is find time to read them! :) --Crazy Jedi Girl 21:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

FA Review Board
Hey, do you think you could look at the discussion here? I have no idea if you'd want to be part of this, but you'd be a terrific candidate. Do you think you would be interested? Cull Tremayne 23:35, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your consideration. :) I nominated you for member-at-large. Cull Tremayne 23:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The vote went through, and you're now a member-at-large for the Inquisitors. Be sure to drop by and give your input. Welcome aboard. :D Cull Tremayne 00:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Gaaah! How incredibly unthoughtful. :P Cull Tremayne 22:07, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * There we go. I need to go chew out some people now. :D Also, that didn't really deserve a smiley above. *shakes head* Sorry about that. ;) Cull Tremayne 22:15, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Let's see, and I'm probably going to eventually end up changing some of these answers since there seems to be a minor differing view on some points. First, for how actively you are "expected" to vote. Right now, since we've just written up all of the current noms, I wouldn't worry about it. As you can probably see, not too many people are voting for each and every one. When we start to get into reviewing new nominations and reviewing post FAs though... However, as member-at-large it should be fine to just stop by "here and then", though of course your input will be always wanted and appreciated, and if you want to vote for all of them, I can only see that as beneficial.


 * Now for the second question about when to vote. Here's where I'm a little unsure. I would say that it's fine to vote for whatever you feel like, and you are "allowed" to vote on every issue. However, by my understanding, for your vote to hold as much weight as a full Inquisitor, one of the Inquisitors will have to "give up" their vote to you, either by your request or through just personal recognition of your knowledge on that topic. I should note that for some reason, there seems to be an idea that the members-at-large can't vote until an Inquisitor gives up their vote and then strikes their own vote. This seems unreasonable to me, and I personally think everyone should be encouraged to vote, and that the "titles" should only come into play at the final vote tally. Also, if there are not enough Inquisitors voting, then a member-at-large's vote will serve as one. Obviously there's still a little confusion over this, so I'll try to find a clearer answer if there is one. Hopefully this all made sense, but if not, I can try to go over it again. :-P Thanks again for your input. Cull Tremayne 14:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Heh, I didn't even know that was an error. I thought it was just a Finnish saying. :P Cull Tremayne 15:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I hate to change things up on you, but A) we eliminated all the MAL positions and made everyone "equal". Second, there's a meeting today in the IRC chat channel. You'll need a client (not the web-based one) to join. We'll be reviewing old FAs, so feel free to join and vote as much as you desire. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Audience Chamber ) 13:26, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Padme image
Would you mind going back to the Talk:Padmé Amidala and looking at the two options again? The current image is pieced together by two image of different quality and science. The image is grainy and her face looks like it's been airbrushed, unnatural. The second (and only other) option is the same image, but is the actual screenshot and is much better quality. Thanks. - JMAS 04:02, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Inquisitorius meeting
* blink* I am a full Inquisitor now? The things that happen in your absence... My apologies for not answering earlier, I haven't been around for a few weeks (and probably won't be for the next couple of weeks, which reminds me that I'd better go put the vacation notice up after I finish typing this.)
 * There will be an Inquisitorius meeting this Saturday/Sunday in IRC. Please get an IRC client and join us; we'd love to have your input! The times on the page for the fourth meeting. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Audience Chamber ) 02:38, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

If you hate to change things up on me, I can't say I'm really happy with this either. The reason I wished to be "just" a member-at-large in the first place was that I don't have enough time on my hands to attend to the Inq business "full-time" (especially now, as I have some issues with my studies as well as with my personal life that I need to sort out). And now that I'm a full member, I don't think it's fair to anyone, not to you other Inquisitors or to the community, if I don't have the time to properly attend to my duties. I'm afraid the summer will not relieve the situation, as I'll probably be working and staying at my parents where the internet connection is... not good. If it happens to be working at all.

The more I think about it, the more it seems that the wisest thing to do would be to give up the position to someone who has the time and energy which I sadly don't have right now (and will not have for the next six months or so, it would seem). I'll have to see how this works out.

As for the IRC meetings: are they always held at 23:00 UTC? If so, I don't think I'll be attending much &mdash; it's 1:00 in Finland, and I virtually never stay up that long. I simply get too sleepy towards evening and conk out by midnight at the latest. And my beauty sleep is one thing I won't easily sacrifice, not even for Wookieepedia. :) Of course, I am capable of staying up longer, but my capability for intelligent thought decreases severely with every minute I stay up after 11 pm. Too bad...

In the meantime, I try to drop by when I can to give my input on the Inq page, and I'll let all you folks know in a month or so if I'll be able to continue with the Inquisitorius or not. --Tinwe 11:19, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for letting us now your current situation and all that. We'll respect whatever decision you eventually make. Yes, the meetings are always at the same time, but if you want, you can post your votes by proxy on the meeting page- the upcoming one is Meeting 5, fyi. Cheers. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Audience Chamber ) 06:02, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

userboxes
really, I'm a big fan of userboxes. (check out my page, I have a ton) so be PROUD of the userboxes! -Rorwarr 01:41, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Good catch

 * Why, thank you! Glad to be of service. :) --Tinwe 13:18, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Heips!
Kiva nähdä Wookieepediassa olevan muitakin suomalaisia käyttäjiä... :) Ajattelin tulla kertomaan, että Wikialla on suomenkielinen versiokin Wookieepediasta, joka saattaisi kaivata aika lailla käyttäjiä auttamaan se alkuun... :) --Jack Phoenix (Contact) 20:45, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hei vaan! Kiva tosiaan törmätä "tuttuihin" ;) Kiitos tiedosta, pitää ehdottomasti käydä tutustumassa. Kyllä varmasti jossain vaiheessa liityn remmiin, kunhan opiskelu- ym. kiireet tästä vähän hellittävät :) --Tinwe 07:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Moi! Minä luulin että olen ainoa Suomalainenm Wookieepedialainen! Kiva tuntea muitakin. Minulla on tunnus Suomalaisessa Wookieepediassa. DARTH SIDIOUS2 Discussion board 13:45, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Userbox
Hello, Tinwe. I was just browsing around and I happen to come across your page. I found that I like your Grey Jedi box better than the standard version. Mind if I use your version instead? :)</tt> &mdash;<font color="DB7093">Mir <font color="DB7093"> len  22:05, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I don't mind at all. Go ahead. :) (Just remember to add the thing at the bottom of your user page if you want your name to appear in that category. But you probably figured that out already. :P) --Tinwe 09:44, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Pit Droid Award
I, Graestan the Mighty, hereby award you, Tinwë the Dedicated, with the Pit Droid Award of Diligence for your exceedingly menial&mdash;and, until now, thankless&mdash;work on the image categorization project. Whereas sections such as featured articles are the public face of Wookieepedia, work such as you have been doing is the backbone, and the wiki would not function without people like you. Keep up the good work! Graestan ( Talk ) 14:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You used to be an Inq? Wow, never knew that. Why no more? Graestan ( Talk ) 14:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, you just totally made my day! :) Yes, I used to be an Inquisitor, but the whole thing was just bit too much at that point in my life, I thought I could handle it but didn't. The meetings were at a bad time (1 a.m. in Finland), my studies and personal life were somewhat of a mess... And I guess I work better solo. I'm more at home with the "little things" like image categorization anyway. :) --Tinwe 15:36, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Image
Hi Tinwe. I don't think that image is from the movie, but I checked in the IRC channel and the guys there agreed. It's bound to be from some image related source, but just not the movie itself. EDIT: I checked the Databakn which says that "Boles is never seen clearly on screen in Episode I, even though his (empty) Podracer cockpit is" so we can definitely exclude the movie as the source. --Eyrezer 21:36, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Terveisiä!
Terveisiä Tinwe! Miten menee täällä Wookieepediassa? En ole itse ollut aktiivinen, pitkiin aikoihin, mutta sille on syynsä. Nimittäin autan superaktiivisesti Jedipediaa, suomalaista tähtien sota wikiä. Ellet jo ole jäsenenä, olisiko sinulla mitään saumoja tulla meitä auttamaan, sillä sinussa on todellisen muokkaajan ainesta. Minäkin olin pääsemässä vähän "paremmaksi Wookieepedialaiseksi" (eli semmoseksi "ei-vasta-alkajaksi" tai vähän tätä yhteisöä enemmän tuntevaksi jäseneksi), mutta päätin, että Jedipedia tarvitsee enemmän apua. Sinä olet täällä jo hyvin menestynyt (sinulla on vaikka mitä palkintoja...) eli ymmärrän jos haluat jäädä tänne. Harkitse kuitenkin. DARTH SIDIOUS2 11:23, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Näemmä et saanut postiani. Menikö se pimentoon? No toivottavasti lukisit sen ja mahdollisesti kuittaisit. Sori, loggautumisprobleemia, joten panen tämän IP:lläni. 89.27.36.123 09:17, 27 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hei! Ja anteeksi tosiaan että on tämä vastaaminen kestänyt, ei suinkaan ollut tarkoitus olla epäkohtelias... Niin se vaan on, että jos en saa heti aikaiseksi vastattua viesteihin, se tahtoo jäädä. Joten nyt päätin ottaa itseäni niskasta kiinni ja vastata heti. :) Olen kyllä jo pitemmän aikaa harkinnut tilin luomista myös Jedipediaan, vaikka todennäköisesti en siellä hirveästi (ainakaan juuri tällä hetkellä) ehdi auttaa... Wookieepedia-työkin on ollut jo pitemmän aikaa lähinnä semmoista pikkujuttujen korjailua (esim. juuri tuo kuvien kategorisointi), kun on aina mukamas niin pahuksen kiire opintojen ja kaiken muun kanssa. Kesällä ehkä sentään helpottaa, joten ehkäpä minua nähdään silloin Jedipediassakin... Tapaamisiin! :) --Tinwe 09:28, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, hyvä että ainakin mietit asiaa. 89.27.36.123 09:56, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Shameless recruitment
Hey, Tinwe. I've heard through the grape-vine that you're interested in Tales of the Jedi, eh? :) Well, if you're interested in helping improve these articles/images/etc, then I started a project (about a year ago, now) which you might be interested in. Not sure if you've heard about it, but it is WookieeProject Tales of the Jedi. I'm always looking for new, and worthwhile, users to tell about the Project, so even if you're interested in helping out whenever you can/feel like it, I'd love to have you around :) Cheers, Greyman  @wikia ( Talk ) 13:10, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Hi! Yes, I guess you could say I'm interested in TOTJ, but so far I've actually read only Redemption, so I'm not sure how useful I would be to the project (at least article expansion -wise). I'm not really an article writer; as you may or may not have noticed, I like to work on smaller things like the image categorization. And as I've mentioned on my user page, I'm the kind of person who probably works better solo and with no "restrictions," so to say, so that's why I've (quite consciously) not involved myself in any community-wide projects (especially after my failed attempt to be an Inquisitor). Still, I'm glad you thought of me. :) While I'm not officially joining the project, at least for now, you can always drop me a line if you need help with "tying loose ends" (proofreading/copyediting articles, categorizing images etc.) and I'll see what I can do. :) Cheers, Tinwe 14:25, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Saren skin color
Hey, I'm curious where Saren's orange skin color comes from in LA. Does some kind of spec sheet specifically identify her as having orange skin, for ex? Thanks. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:19, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Uh, I wouldn't know about that, since I have never played LA (or any other Star Wars game for that matter :). I assumed that since her skin color in the cover of the game is pretty clearly orange (at least to me), it would be okay to add it to the infobox. Feel free to remove it if I have made some kind of a silly mistake&mdash;I don't know anything of the subject besides what I've read (and seen) here in Wook, so I don't claim to have a final say in the matter. Cheers, Tinwe 11:32, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you
Hey Tinwe,

Thank you for that bit of info on Farfalla. I knew it had to be somewhere. —Tommy9281 ( Peace is a lie ) 18:13, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome. :) --Tinwe 17:56, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Mae govannen
Mae govannen, mellon! I'm new here and I like LOTR too! Always glad to meet another Tolkien fan! Ailen Uldaren Gosh, thanks! I was reading your profile and I like your name. Mine is kind of Elvish, too, just twisted around a little. I'm glad to belong to Wookieepedia and look forward to meeting new people here. May the Force be with you! P.S. I'm still uncertain about some abbreviations and stuff for wikis. What does UTC mean? Ailen Uldaren, 19:48, 19 March 2009
 * Mae govannen, and welcome to Wookieepedia! It's nice to come across other female Wookieepedians, we are a rare breed indeed. ;) I hope you like the place, and feel free to ask me if you have any questions whatsoever, after three years I think I have a pretty good grasp at how things around here work. :) Cheers, Tinwe 17:25, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I kind of like my screen name too. ;) As for the UTC business, see Coordinated Universal Time. Wiki-wise, it basically means just that the time stamps on the signatures give the time according to Greenwich Mean Time, not according to the time of the time zone where the writer is located. When you type four tildes ( ~ ) after your message, it automatically generates your user name along with the time stamp (which is why you will find the confusing UTCs all over the place :). Have fun here at Wook, and may the Force be with you too! --Tinwe 15:09, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Re:Unidentified Jedi's skin color
It's personal preference. I prefer not to use it in any character articles that I promote to FA or GA status. Grand Moff Tranner (Comlink) 11:16, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Greetings
Just wanted to say hi to fellow Karelian wookieepedian, haven't seen many of us around here. (: --Tm_T(Talk) 14:13, July 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * And hi to you too! :) Yeah, sadly the number of Finnish (and especially Karelian ;) Wookieepedians is still pretty small... Mutta pidetään lippu korkealla! Tinwe 14:20, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

Fact Files info
Hey Tinwe; I can check that info for you. Give me a couple of days and I'll send a few scans your way :) - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 08:53, September 21, 2010 (UTC)

lightsaber article quote
Might I suggest that your Vergere quote on the lightsaber page might be better suited under the "Adoption by the Jedi" section header?
 * Thanks for the suggestion, that is indeed a much better place for it. You would have been welcome to move the quote yourself of course, this being a wiki and all&mdash;I don't feel particularly protective about its placement. :) Tinwe 12:46, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well I just figured that I might as well mention it and see if you agree rather than just move it. And I forgot to sign that? Whoops. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 14:43, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

Fact Files
Hey Tinwe; sorry, I thought I had done this. I've sent the scanned FFs to the email address you supplied. Hope they help :) - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 18:53, February 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries. I'm sure the scans will be very useful indeed. :) Tinwe (comlink) 16:31, February 5, 2011 (UTC)

hello Tinwe i thank this isnt logical on Satele Shan
3699 - 3653 = 46yrs old ¦Satele Shan this isnt not logical

3699 - 3681 = she look like she is 18yrs old ¦Unidentified Jedi on Hope (cinematic trailer) 3671 - 3653 = she look like she is 18yrs old ¦Satele Shan on Threat of Peace (Comic series story arcs)

Arca
Hi Tinwe,

Just wanted to let you know that I've addressed your objections to Arca Jeth. Thanks again for your review. It's good to see you around :)  —Tommy  9281  Saturday, October 29, 2011, 17:39 UTC 

Re:CT in TEA
Awesome! Thanks, Tinwe. I'm glad you were spying. :P Cheers!-- Cal Jedi (Personal Comm Channel) 15:21, November 21, 2011 (UTC)

Cats
Hey there! Out of curiosity, why add PAGENAME to categories? It doesn't seem to make a difference in where the link takes you. Am I missing something? Menkooroo 15:44, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Adding it will display the subcategory on the first page of the parent category, not on the second, third etc. if the parent category spreads to multiple pages. I suppose piping the category link and leaving a blank space after it (like this ) will have pretty much the same effect, but I saw the method being used on a couple of the subcats of Category:Unidentified individuals and figured there had to be a reason it was used. Don't ask me what it is though. :P  Tinwe (comlink) 15:57, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Hey you
Good to see you kickin' around now that I am undead. graestan ( talk ) 06:44, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Glad to be a little more active nowadays myself. :) Tinwe (comlink) 10:06, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Cookiee

 * Thank you, happy to have helped. :) Tinwe (comlink) 06:09, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think your work is worth more than just a cookie here. You applied JCFcite to 287 articles, a full 68% of the list. Therefore, I, Master Jonathan, hereby award Tinwe the Diligent the Pit Droid Award of Diligence for your work on preparing for the JCF move. The list could not have been completed without your help, and I thank you for all that you've done. <b style="color:navy; text-decoration:underline; font-family:serif;">&mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> <b style="color:red; font-variant:small-caps;">Jedi Council Chambers</b> Wednesday, March 21, 2012, 15:01 UTC
 * Wow, did I really do that many? Guess I earned the award then XD Thank you very much! Tinwe (comlink) 06:12, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Congrats!
Tinwe! Congratulations on being voted May's Wookieepedian of the Month. You definitely deserve it. :) If you're OK with it, I'm hoping I can interview you for the Wookieepedia NewsNet. I'd ask questions similar to the last few WOTM interviews, but I'd probably include a few less-serious questions, since the old format is getting kind of boring. Questions related to the impending Finnish takeover, and to Rodians holding flowers. Anyway, let me know if it's OK. I could ask you questions via e-mail, or here on your talk page if you'd prefer. Congrats again! Menkooroo 05:04, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Sure, I'd be happy to be interviewed&mdash;here on my talk page will do nicely. So bring on any and all questions you wish to ask and I'll get back to you asap. :) Tinwe (comlink) 08:00, May 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okiley dokiley. Feel free to make the answers as long or as short as you'd like. Also, let me know if there are any pictures you'd like to be included in the article. They'd be off to the side just like in a regular Wookieepedia article; see here and here for examples.


 * 1) First off, a big congratulations on being voted May's Wookieepedian of the Month. How does it feel to have your work recognized by the community?
 * 2) *Fantastic, thank you! A dream come true, really&mdash;one that I thought I'd never quite achieve. I'm specialized in "housekeeping" after all&mdash;fixing links, categorizing images, sourcing articles and so forth&mdash;and given the number of great contributors who put an insane amount of time to writing top-notch articles and just being generally awesome, my achievements seemed pretty lame by comparison. I guess my recent outburst of activity with Comprehensive and Good articles together with my history of steady contributing is what earned me to honor of being the WOTM, so persistence does pay off. :) I would like to express my heartfelt thanks to everyone who voted for me, especially considering that I've been somewhat under the radar lately.
 * 3) What interests you the most about editing Wookieepedia?
 * 4) *I like making things run smoother, hence all the janitoring mentioned above. Most people probably find that kind of stuff a little boring, but I actually like it&mdash;I guess it satisfies some slightly obsessive-compulsive part of my nature. XD More recently I've also taken up writing and reviewing Comprehensive articles, since, to quote my user page, "writing CAs is a good way for me to satisfy my perfectionist tendencies without suffering a nervous breakdown, since all my more ambitious article projects tend to get out of hand."
 * 5) You've written a few Good and Comprehensive articles, including the bizarre-looking O'cerry. Is status article writing something of which you'd like to do more?
 * 6) *Certainly, and I have literally dozens of half-finished article drafts lying on my hard drive that may or may not become CAs and GAs sometime in the unforeseeable future... I guess my two main problems in actually finishing the articles are perfectionism and short attention span&mdash;while I wish to make the articles as complete as possible before nominating them, I also tend to find too many new interesting subjects for future articles before I get to finish the ones I've already started. There's also the question of having the time to write the stuff, which I sadly don't have as much as I'd like. But you haven't seen the last of my status articles yet, that much I can promise!
 * 7) Would you say that an O'cerry can best be described as a combination of a mulberry bush and a leprechaun?
 * 8) *That, or a cross between a leprechaun and a tribble... Yes, I'm something of a Star Trek fan as well. ;)
 * 9) Why do you think a Rodian would want to give someone a flower?
 * 10) *Maybe&mdash;if said Rodian is a pacifist&mdash;for the same reason an Ewok would to a Stormtrooper? (Those of you who haven't read the great Star Wars Tales comic Apocalypse Endor, the Stormies interpreted an Ewok putting a flower in a blaster barrel as an attempt to "block their weapons." I know, jokes are never that funny when you have to explain them. :P)
 * 11) You're a member of the noted Finnish cabal on Wookieepedia. How soon can we expect a hostile takeover?
 * 12) *Wouldn't you all like to know? *evil cackle*
 * 13) Do you remember when and how you first became a Star Wars fan?
 * 14) *I saw the original films (well, there weren't any other films back then :P) in TV in the mid-90s, and I was instantly fascinated by the whole universe. There were a few dry years before The Phantom Menace came out in 1999, but since then there has never been a doubt in my mind that in another life I would have been a Jedi Knight.
 * 15) What are some of your favorite works of the Expanded Universe? Books, comics, video games... ?
 * 16) *I used to be quite the novel junkie back in the days of the New Jedi Order, but my enthusiasm has curbed somewhat since then&mdash;I mostly keep up with novel canon by reading Wookieepedia. Traitor is probably my favorite out of the series, or out of any SW novels for that matter. These days I enjoy reference books the most, a side effect of tinkering with Wook for sure! I'm particularly looking forward to the release of The Essential Reader's Companion, since it will make a good reference for the exact dates of the novels. (Nerdy, I know. XD) I also like many of the comics, both past and present&mdash;the Star Wars Tales mentioned earlier being some of my absolute faves.
 * 17) Who are some of your favorite characters?
 * 18) *Out of the movie characters, the choice is easy: Princess Leia! I suppose that doesn't come as a surprise to anyone who's ever been on my user page... I could probably ramble on endlessly about EU characters I have a soft spot for, but here are a few in no particular order: Tahiri Veila, Jagged Fel, Vima Sunrider, Tahl, Bail Organa... Oh, and I better throw in Vergere and Saba Sebatyne as well, so no one gets to claim I'm a speciesist; I do enjoy non-orthodox views of the Force and wacky Barabel humor!
 * 19) Forgetting the EU for a moment: Which SW film is best?
 * 20) *I suppose it's a tie between A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back. I like the certain sense of wonder in ANH that never fails to captivate me (not to mention Leia's spunky attitude ;)), but I think that ESB is a better movie of the two in cinematic terms.
 * 21) What kind of impact would you like to leave on Wookieepedia?
 * 22) *A good one, I hope! XD Seriously though, I strive to make Wookieepedia a more comprehensive and reliable, better place with every edit I make, no matter how small. That's a legacy I'd like to leave behind, though I don't plan to retire from editing any time soon. :)
 * 23) Do you have any advice for those who are interested in joining the Wookieepedia community?
 * 24) *When you become a member, or even before you join, take a good look around and spend some time observing the way things are done on Wookieepedia. See what you're signing up for! Some people have been complaining about all the rules we have, but they help keeping our quality high&mdash;and a high-quality encyclopedia is what we all want, right? Don't be afraid to participate. Politeness will get you a long way. And remember to have fun too!

Thanks Tinwe! And congrats again. :) I look forward to your answers! Menkooroo 01:50, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Here you go, Menk! I hope I wasn't overly wordy&mdash;I always tend to blabber too much when I get the chance. (Btw, if you notice any obvious typos in my answers, feel free to correct them&mdash;I used my word processor to draft the answers and it doesn't have a spellcheck. O_o) Since the o'cerry is mentioned a few times during the interview, you might as well include the picture. If more pictures are needed, you can use the ones on my user page, or choose something else that you see fit. I trust your judgment. :) Thanks for the interview, it was a pleasure! Tinwe (comlink) 13:27, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Just throwing my congrats in, too. Great job, Tinwe!&mdash; Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 01:55, May 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Cal. :) Tinwe (comlink) 13:27, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Interview is live on the Main Page. Ch-ch-check it out! Menkooroo 15:45, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Congratulations, Tinwe! I just read the interview on the Newsnet (and subsequently right above my head here) and very much appreciate your continued enthusiasm for the project. Continue to keep up the good work and MTFBWY! :) --  Riffsyphon  1024 07:18, May 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you, kind words like that keep me going. :) MTFBWY too! Tinwe (comlink) 07:38, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Hello there!
Listen, there's a little something concerning my page here on the Wook... Would you be willing to help me with the userboxes? My page looks so dull in comparison with all the others here... 11:50, May 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, Tinwe! Congratulations on your WOTM Nomination! :) I've been reading this page for the past hour and you deserve this like no one else... I've been on Wookiepedia for the past 2-3 years, but never gotten past anything but minor edits and a couple of votes here and there... I just love to read all the articles on here :) Such a treasure-throve of info... Never thought I'd meet someone who loves LOTR *AND* Star Wars at the same time ;))) Hope we'll stay in touch!! -- 19:34, May 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi and thank you for your kind words, they really brightened up my day. :) It's always nice to come across a fellow SW/LOTR fan! Now that I come to think of it, I don't think I know anyone else besides me who likes both fandoms, though I'm sure there are more people like us out there. Funny, it hadn't even crossed my mind that we might be a minority. :P I hope you've been enjoying your time on Wookieepedia, even if you're not contributing all that much&mdash;this site is meant for all SW enthusiasts after all, not just for those who direct their enthusiasm into writing encyclopedia articles about their favorite fandom. :) See you around and May the 4th be with you! (I can't believe I've been a SW fan all these years and learned of the Star Wars Day only today&mdash;and not from Wookieepedia on top of it, but from a different website altogether!) Tinwe (comlink) 15:37, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * STAR WARS DAY??? This is the first time I've heard about something like that... :) And yes, I'm a big fan of both fandoms...Lucas and Tolkien are/were amazing people! But in my heart, I'm just a wee bit more on the Tolkien side ;))) I wrote my final exam in high school on Tolkien and C.S. Lewis :) And that's not the only thing we both have in common... You're from Finnland. I must say your English is great! At first, I thought you were English or American ;) I come from Poland :=) But I've spent a couple of years in the USA...
 * Yeah, the Star Wars Day was news to me too! Click the link if you'd like to read what Wikipedia has to say about it. :) I'd be happy to help with your userboxes, what would you like to do with them? Tinwe (comlink) 10:56, May 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd like to have them neatly organised...have an infobox with a picture, date of birth, place of residence... My hobbies, stuff like that. But I don't know how to do it... I'd just like to have a cool, attractive page like you and most of the users on here :) Would that be too much trouble? 08:36, May 9, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Userpage Help

 * Thanks a lot!! Your tips were understandable and very helpfull :) You are great! Come and check out my new infobox sometime... It's just the way I wanted it since I came here. I think I may even make some more updates on my page thanks to you ;) Once again: Kiitos :o) (I hope that is right ;) ) 18:16, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Nice to see that you got your user page updated, happy I could help! And yes, "kiitos" is just the right word, to which I reply "ole hyvä" (you're welcome) :D Tinwe (comlink) 05:46, May 17, 2012 (UTC)

Compliments
Your userpage made me laugh really hard! Keep up the good work, ori'vod, and maybe consider a job as a stand up comedian!--Aryn Tarra (Padawan count over 20) 17:48, July 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I guess. :P It's not that I try to be funny on purpose (well, not ROFL funny anyway), but some of us just seem to have that gift whether they want or not. ;) Tinwe (comlink) 09:05, July 31, 2012 (UTC)


 * Sorry I screwed up my signature... I am still trying to figure things like that out around here. THIS is my signature... --Aryn Tarra (talk) 18:19, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Organa family tree
Shouldn't the family tree reflect the new members of House Organa that were in The Old Republic? I would edit it myself but since I have never edited one before not sure what to do. DarthRevan1173 (talk) 21:21, August 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ideally, yes, but I'd say that at this point we just don't know enough about how the TOR Organas relate to the Imperial era ones&mdash;or how the TOR ones relate to each other, even. For example, do we know for sure that Bail is a descendant of Charle Organa, and not one of his brothers/some other branch of the family tree? I don't play TOR so I have to rely mainly on the Wook to get detailed info about it, but from what I've gathered Nomar Organa is Charle's nephew. That would be easy enough addition, but how do Gesselle and Jeren fit into the big picture? There's just too many unknowns if you ask me... However, if you know more about how they relate to each other and care to share that info with me, I can take another look at the family tree and see if I can work out something that's not too speculative/confusing to the casual reader. :) Tinwe (comlink) 07:02, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I really don't know much more than what you know since I don't have a comp that can play the game but I do own it. Just was thinking that at some point they should be added by someone that knows how to edit the trees and someone who knows more about how they are related. DarthRevan1173 (talk) 07:16, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

Basic
COOL where did you get the galatic basic translator for your name on the info box?? Please tell me, that's SICK!! xD ;) --Edak Trebmil (talk) 18:57, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * See template AurB. For example, if you wish to render your name in Aurebesh, just type this  and it will produce this  . Hope that helps!  Tinwe (comlink) 05:35, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

Fellow Finn
Heips! How come we've never seen you on the Finnish Jedipedia? Tule ihmeessä käymään!--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:01, September 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the invitation! I've certainly considered joining the Finnish SW Wiki more than a few times over the years, but it's just that&hellip; my time is kinda limited (well, whose isn't?) and I've found my niche here at the Wook, and I feel this is the best place for me to do my "fan community service," so to say. ;) Besides, I've always found that writing about Star Wars in Finnish is, to me, somehow very awkward and weird. That would probably get easier over time, but&hellip; meh. Don't get me wrong, I love the Finnish language like fire and have a huge appreciation for what you guys do at Jedipedia, but that's not my place, at least right now. If you've read my babble this far, all I can say is thank you for your patience and MtFbwy! :) Tinwe (comlink) 05:48, September 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * I know how you feel. I'm an eager Star Wars fanfic writer, but never write it in Finnish because English simply sounds "more right". When writing articles I put my brain into "translator mode", when moving them from here to Jedipedia doesn't feel so strange. When I write completely new articles (or rewrite existing ones) I do it here first, then translate them.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 06:47, September 14, 2012 (UTC)

WP:AST
Hi there, just thought I'd let you know that Ferentina is a city (on Naboo), not a celestial body. Corellian PremierAll along the watchtower 21:26, September 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for pointing that out, makes me wonder how I missed it in the first place... I guess I get a little cross-eyed sometimes when spending too much time editing the Wook. XD Tinwe (comlink) 05:43, September 26, 2012 (UTC)

Data, data, data, dates, dates, dates...
Hello, Tinwe. It seems you have put a lot of thought about those dating problems. As you can see in my primary sandbox, I'm working on an improivement drive of the Jorus C'baoth article. However, trying to mix the informations of the original Thrawn novels with those from recent guidebooks and novels is something of a challenge. You seem to be something of an expert with chronology by now, so I'd be interested to know if you have some thought about it. --LelalMekha (talk) 10:09, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll try to take a look at it over the weekend. :) Tinwe (comlink) 10:12, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * About the Ascendency Contention, just a thought&mdash;or rather a double question: was the event stated to be finished and solved in Star Wars: Darth Plagueis? Was the Contention ever said to have lasted only a short time? If the timespan of the Contention is not known, there is still a possibility that C'baoth started working on it in 32 BBY, but the problem was only settled for good four years later. I admit that seems quite improbable, since C'baoth was quite good at forcing people find a compromise. --LelalMekha (talk) 10:53, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, Dark Force Rising states&mdash;and I don't think any of the later sources have contradicted this, surprisingly enough&mdash;that it took the Republic delegation less than a month to solve the conflict. So it doesn't seem plausible indeed to try to stretch the timespan over several years... unless, of course, C'baoth was a little busy in 32 BBY and only had the time to come to settle the contention four years after the High Council of Alderaan requested the help from the Senate. :P Tinwe (comlink) 11:22, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Too bad. Quite surprisingly, the current state of the C'baoth article includes next to nothing from the Roleplaying Game Revised Core Rulebook, which provides quite a few "new" info regarding the Jedi Diplomat's timeline. For example, the defeating of the Bpfasshi Dark Jedi has been retroactively credit to Yoda, but C'baoth gained his own dark side insurrection to settle. That bit of information seems to have been vastly ignored by everyone since the release of the rulebook. --LelalMekha (talk) 11:29, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sometimes... just sometimes... I miss the days when I was more of a casual Star Wars fan and didn't have to care about all of the continuity hiccups. But at least life doesn't get boring when trying to figure out what of the several retcons is the final word on any given issue. Tinwe (comlink) 11:39, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * (In the same vein, I wonder why C'baoth was shown supporting Bail Antilles in Star Wars: Darth Plagueis... After all, he was meant to be Papatine's friend. Why wouldn't he endorse his own friend for a Chancellorship election?) Well, we Star Wars fan are lucky for having such a long-lived an prolific Expanded Universe. The other side of the coin is that making retcons becomes more and more difficult as time goes by. Ten years ago, sorting things out was not that complicated. Us Wookieepedians are what I call "literate Star Warriors". Quite often, other Star Wars fans&mdash;especially younger ones an The Clone Wars fans&mdash;cannot quite understand why we fuss so much about continuity. That's because we've made a "scholarship" of all this. We must be crazy. --LelalMekha (talk) 11:52, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I hear you, friend. !crazylaugh (Sorry, I try to avoid doing that in public, but sometimes I just can't control myself... :D) Tinwe (comlink) 11:59, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

RE:Invitation

 * Hey Tinwe, well actually I was just waiting for your invitation! :p Now seriously, I've known about the project all along but now, that I've started working on the planets, I decided that I'd join after seeing how I handled in the CAN and GAN boards. So far so good for my 16 noms (12 CAN + 4 GAN). I won't increase the number for now though I have thoughts to work on a possibly future FAN for Aargonar. For that reason I've been archiving all good objections to the noms so when all constructive objections are over, I move ahead with working in the FA, although I may need some help with the professional level of english that is required for a Featured status. Anyway skipping the gossip, I thank you for your invitation and will gladly sign it! Just one question, will my current nominations be counted as part of the Project? I'd like it so :) Winterz (talk) 16:43, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Alchenaut and sources
Hello, the Online Companion lists systems not worlds. The sourcing in "notes and references" is sufficient. Hk 47 (talk) 16:23, October 24, 2012 (UTC)

Of Alderaan, Queens and Viceroys
Hello Tinwe. I've been thinking since our last discussion about the Alderaanian ruling system, and I've rediscovered an interesting mention in the old Fact File. The Official Star Wars Fact File 67 state that Bail Organa abandoned his viceroyship when he became Senator of the Alderaan system, delegating his powers to "a regent." Could this unnamed regent be his wife, Queen Breha Antilles herself? Maybe the title of "Queen" actually is a courtesy title, in her capacity as wife of the Viceroy and acting ruler. his would explain a lot of things, since it has been established long before ROTS that the Viceroy was the ruler of Alderaan. Even if we look at newer sources, it seems that it's Bail&mdash;and not his wife&mdash;who is in charge with everything important that happens on Alderaan and within the Royal Palace (cf. The Rise of Darth Vader, Master of Deception or Agent of the Empire 6: Hard Targets).

Well, I know it sounds an awful lot like the dreaded original research, but it's not like I've actually written it in an article, wer'e just discussing. ^^ What do you think? --LelalMekha (talk) 12:19, October 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi Lelal! I've seen that FF too, and it would indeed make a lot of sense if the regent were Breha&mdash;as the Fact Files were published before ROTS came out, it cannot of course be even an indirect mention to her as the character didn't yet exist, but it would be a neat fix. There are a few kinks with the Breha-as-regent explanation though: I've seen not one but three different sources that make it seem like Breha, and not Bail, was the head of the House of Organa and the highest-ranking noble on Alderaan. Here are the relevant passages for a quick reference [emphases mine]:


 * After [Padmé Amidala's] death, Bail offers to raise Leia Amidala Skywalker in the house of his wife, the Queen of Alderaan.


 * During the time of the Galactic Empire, Queen Breha Organa held the highest noble rank, with her husband Viceroy Bail Organa representing the planet in the Galactic Senate.


 * The noble house of Queen Breha Organa herself, House Organa has a great deal of political influence that has been built up over thousands of years.


 * Again, I'm not sure what to make of this mess. And it still gives me the sudden urge to start banging my head against the desk. But don't let that stop you from answering, I really do enjoy discussing this with like-minded people. :) Tinwe (comlink) 17:56, October 26, 2012 (UTC)


 * These, of course, are interesting&mdash;and maybe annoying&mdash;bits of information. The point is, we should find a way to know what exactly a Viceroy is compared to a Queen. After all, if the Viceroy is not the monarch of Alderaan, why on Earth would anyone make such a fuss about their election? I found this little thing in the defunct StarWars.com, which was updated following ROTS: "When Organa retired from the Senate, he returned to Alderaan. He reclaimed his title as Viceroy and First Chairman of Alderaan." That would mean the bit about Bail stepping down from his position is still canon. We know two things for sure about the Viceroyship: it's... well, really important, and you can't be a Viceroy and a Senator at the same time. I've decided to ask Leland Chee, but I'm pretty sure I won't get any answer. As of today, all my questions in the past have remained a dead letter. :-( Ah, I miss the time of The Paradise Snare, with unambiguous statements such as "His Majesty, Bail Prestor Organa, Viceroy and First Chairman." "His Majesty" equals "King" equals "Ruler". Case would be closed... --LelalMekha (talk) 09:41, October 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I would indeed like to know why the big fuss about "the proper line of ascent to Viceroy." It would help a lot if we knew for sure whether the position was elective or hereditary. Dark Force Rising isn't explicit on the matter, and other EU sources have been annoingly inconsistent with this. Even the Fact Files contradict each other: FF 18 says Viceroys (who can also be female, btw&mdash;though I don't know whether they would be called Vicerines then :) are elective, FF 67 says they are hereditary. Ohh how we would need a Plagueis style EU novel, centering around Alderaan, that would make clever retcons and at least try to present Alderaanian political system in a consistent manner... Tinwe (comlink) 10:32, October 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * I remember that A. C. Crispin had plans for a novel centered on Leia's younger years on Alderaan, but was not permitted to do it because of "possible conflicts" with the future Star Wars: Live-Action TV series... A shame. Don't ask me why, but I think Crispin would have a good grasp on Alderaan. If Chee ever answers my question&mdash;which I doubt&mdash;I'll let you know. --LelalMekha (talk) 10:43, October 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's hoping we'll see Crispin's novel (or something akin to it) some day! And may the Force be with you on your attempt to get some information out of Chee. ;) Tinwe (comlink) 10:59, October 27, 2012 (UTC)

Re:WOTM
Er, kiitos paljon, Tinwe&mdash;it's about the only thing I can say in Finnish, except a few common swearwords. ^^ I' m looking forward to answering Menkooroo's questions, and I already prepared some of them. On a different subject, I've just launched myself into an Organa-craze, as you may have seen. The influence of discussing with you, I guess. --LelalMekha (talk) 13:02, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * S'il vous plaît, LelalMekha. (One of about three French phrases I know.) Yeah, I did notice your Organa spree&mdash;very nice job with Rouge especially! I'm glad our discussions inspired you. ;) I actually had my mind set on CAing Mazicia a few months back, but quickly realized that she was more of GA material (that happens to me way too often). I think I still have the article draft lying somewhere on my hard drive... Tinwe (comlink) 13:28, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Any comment or criticism on Rouge's article is most welcome. In a way, you're the closest thing to an in-house Alderaan specialist here. ;-) When Rouge's finished, I'll start working on the other aunts. (As you can see, I also expanded on Mazicia too, but I'm not quite satisfied with it.) --LelalMekha (talk) 13:38, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank your for your thorough review. I'll get to work immediately, but I first would like to clarify a few things. About the Viceroy Organa being the aunts' father, I don't think it can be called "speculation": it's rather a case of reasonable assumption. They may not have the same mother, but if they are siblings and share the name Organa, it's pretty clear they have a father in common. By using both sources (Dark Force Rising' and Children of the Jedi), I think a point can be made. About the word "dowager", I wans't exactly sure what it meant in this case, since it has two possible meanings in English: "rich widow" and "lady of dignified bearing". Have they been explicitley called widows elsewhere, as far as you can tell? Finally, as regards TPLD, I know its canonicity is ambiguous, but... You know, I like this story. Surely you can understand why. ;-) (BTW, I think that The Crystal Star mentioned that adult women grew theur hair long, but I'll have to check. Alos, according to Leia in TPLD, the women of Alderaan had an obssession with their hair, a fixation she herself did not share.) --LelalMekha (talk) 13:33, November 2, 2012 (UTC)