Talk:Anakin Skywalker/Legends

Sidious is not Anakin's father
To quote from Dark Lord, near the beginning of Chapter 21, p. 133 in the hardback:

"He recalled thinking: What if Anakin should die?

How many years would he have had to search for an apprentice even half as powerful in the Force, let alone one created by the Force itself to restore balance, by allowing the dark side to percolate fully to the surface after a millennium of being stifled?"

Two sentences later:

"Sidious would have had to discover a way to compel midichlorians to do his bidding, and bring into being one as powerful as Anakin."

It's very clear: Sidious neither knew how to do the midi trick, nor did he create Anakin, and he personally believed Anakin to have been made just by the Force. I'm removing the speculation that it could be Sidious, and I'll ask that no one re-adds it without addressing this. - Lord Hydronium 08:58, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Sidius is not anikans father.it's stated in episode 1 that there was no father(shmi skywalker is the mother)Thire 4477 01:03, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * We know that Sidious wasn't Anakin's father. The father was likely Plagueis. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:00, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Nor need Plagueis be his 'father' in the traditional sense of the world. To be clear, he almost certainly didn't have sex with Shmi Skywalker (unless we include mind-wiping or other such things, but that's taking fan speculation to the brink.)  Technically speaking, he'd no more be the father than the clinician who deals with in-vitro fertilization treatments, though his role in the creation would be greater. 68.228.89.148 02:32, 11 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If Anakin was "The Chosen One", as defined by the Jedi Code,It can be proven the force works in mysterious ways. If he was the Chosen One he would have to be created somehow so maybe the force naturally created Anakin to fufill this prophecy. The other Masters did not deny that Anakin was the prophecy but felt he had come to late and already let his emotions control him. From this, if he is "The Chosen One" then he has no father and was naturally birthed by the Force itself.Darth Kannon 02:47, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Hair Color
Blonde ! Anybody with half a brain can see he has brown hair, who's with me ! screw you assca ducato
 * And anyone with two-halfs of a brain can see that his hair isn't brown in the eyes of the NEC. Jasca Ducato undefined 18:18, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's brown, not blonde. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:29, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You're getting banned for that one. Go to hell, you damn anon. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 11:30, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't feed the trolls. Atarumaster88  13:02, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You dudes are crazy KKR 20:19, 21 May 2007 (UTC) KKR
 * If you're talking to me, no. Sticking up for a friend is not being crazy. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 00:14, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Spending time under the sun -let alone two of them- can bleach the color out of most fine-haired types. That's where the term 'sun-bleached' comes from.Tocneppil 06:43, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Anakin had blond hair as a little kid and a teenager. Once he got a bit older, his hair got darker, but it should still be classified as blond.  Even though it looks brown. Revan211 16:58, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Clone Wars Pic
I just got this pic off a website. It is from the trailer for the upcoming Star Wars: The Clone Wars series and I was wondering if we should use it. Any Thoughts? Vezz801 18:02, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The image is a bit too dark. Besides, I don't think there's enough room for images during that time period in the article. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:50, 4 August 2007 (UTC)

height and age
Is it really needed to put the height of when he was 9 and when he was 20? Sappose we did that for Obi-wan and Mace Windu, It wouldn't look right. I think we should just put it at when he was done growing. 24.208.55.168 00:56, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. I'll remove it. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 15:17, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Lightsabers
Shouldn't we remove some lightsaber pics? Personally, I find some really plasticky-looking, no offense to anyone.

Sith
Has anyone but me noticed that Vader, although making frequent notes about the power of the dark side, never called himself a Sith?
 * Yeah. He does a lot in books though.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 19:52, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Redirected from Vader
Shouldn't "Vader" have a disambiguation page, rather than directing straight here? It could refer to Darth Vader, I'm certain there were posessions or perhaps even a starship named after him and, in terms of other characters, it is also a call-sign of Wedge Antilles. 67.101.248.246 03:54, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Yeah, what about 'lady vader', and 'the glove of darth vader'?

Subpage
OK, I'm working on getting this article to FA status, though I'm doing it on a subpage. Namely, User:Thefourdotelipsis/Anakin. I'm going to need some help in areas, though, so when I come to a trouble spot, I'm going to list the sources I need info from here. If anyone has any of the sources and is willing to help, please, don't hesitate to contact me on my talk page, or on IRC. Thefourdotelipsis 11:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Episode I Adventures 5: The Ghostling Children
 * Episode I Adventures 6: The Hunt for Anakin Skywalker
 * Episode I Adventures 7: Capture Arawynne
 * Episode I Adventures 8: Trouble on Tatooine
 * Episode I Adventures 14: Podrace to Freedom
 * Episode I Adventures 15: The Final Battle

For those, I think I need info from both the storybooks and the game books. Also, if there are any other books from that series that Anakin is either mentioned or appears in, it'd be a great help if...well, if someone told me about it. Thanks in advance to anyone that might decide to lend a brother...or at least an unliked cousin, a hand. Thefourdotelipsis 11:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

The Birth of Anakin
I'm a Star Wars novice, relatively speaking, but here's a question - possibly a discussion question:

If Darth Plagus was able to influence the force to create life, and if Anakin Skywalker had no father, then is it assumed that Darth Plagus influenced the force to impregnate Shmi Skywalker with Anakin, making Plagus Anakin's defacto father?

71.198.62.92 14:31, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Expanded universe
I think the expanded universe portions of this article should be put under a seperate heading. I think the first part of the article should be about what is in the movies. Wondering if others will join me in putting expanded universe information in a seperate section after the information included in the movies. Things like Anakin's scar while fighting Ventress and Cato Neimodia and Quinlan Voss are all in the movies, so that should be included. The article needs serious editing.
 * Sorry, but that's not going to happen. Here at Wookieepedia, we don't differentiate between movie and EU information. But yeah, the article needs a good edit. A rewrite is currently being worked on by one of our most productive editors. --Imperialles 15:52, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

Yeah I see. You are even pathetic enough (sorry) to include EU-stuff like Fosters Splinter of the Minds Eye although it is completely outdated for DECADES (at least since TESB). Yeah of course, vader fights against his known son with the clear intention to kill him. Don't care about canon just stuff anything in thats available. Why don't yur drop outdated sources which completely contradict the movies? I think it is time for a EU-crap-free alternative SW-wiki, this one became really annoying.
 * If we didn't care about canon, we'd be following your suggestion and dismissing valid sources solely because of personal dislike. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 13:24, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

To the OP and everyone else who doesn't like EU, last time I checked, Expanded Universe was cannon. Therefor totally valid. If George Lucas says EU is cannon, then it's cannon. Fans don't decide whats cannon, the creator does.

68.34.156.49 05:03, 21 January 2008 (UTC)Ryan


 * Cannon go boom!  Jasca Ducato Sith Council 12:11, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

Okay, yeah, sure, Splinter of the Mind's Eye is definitely outdated - Luke and Leia sexual tension, eeeeeeeeeew! - but it is definitely canon. Try actually reading the article on the book you want tossed out next time. Lucas and the book's author - Alan Dean Foster - worked together on the early books and Lucas himself stated that the plot elements in the book - the insipid crystal, the aforementioned-yet-still-icky incestuous sexual tension, Vader ready to take down his own son, et all - were plot elements that Lucas approved of. 65.161.0.75 15:57, 21 March 2008 (UTC)Cybrarian 15:56, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Tao Part Canon?
I don't know about you, but this part with Tao doesn't seem canon. I mean, a tusken beating Vader? Vader upset about this kids death (he should be, but he's a sith)? Is there a source for this?Maxi6 01:09, 11 December 2007 (UTC)Maxi6

Anyone can be hurt bad if the element of suprise is against them, and the evershifting variables of the universe give them no resources.

Clone wars space station?
In the game Clone Wars, in a cutscene, the Jedi are on a space station snd Mace Windu mentions something to ani about Mergisheer. What is Mergisheer? And what is the space station they are on?67.72.98.109 22:49, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Galactic Republic space station.  Jasca Ducato Sith Council 09:41, 14 December 2007 (UTC)

1 hand fighting style
"Vader developed a personalized version of Djem So[14][15], battling with one hand only while keeping the other slack at his side[16], a style that included elements of Ataru and Soresu[17]. It was resoundingly effective, both as a practical fighting style and a psychological weapon."

Is that really the case? It seems that Vader fought Luke with only 1 arm because Luke was so inexperienced. As soon as Luke started to improve his swordplay and became more aggressive, Vader began using 2 hands to counter him. Watch Empire Strikes Back again if you don't believe me.

68.34.156.49 02:55, 21 January 2008 (UTC)Ryan

Yar, true that, but does it mean that Vader fought Luke using both hands on the saber (funny phrase, that) because Luke had gained more experience as a swordsman, or because Luke's potential with the Force was beginning to approach or even match Vader's and Vader had to use a tad more concentration in duels with his son? Perhaps none of Vader's opponents who came before Luke even matched Luke's Force potential (which IMHO will affect your abilities with the lightsaber, experience regardless), thus Vader was able to use his "one hand tied behind my back" Ataru/Soresu hybrid style with little to zero difficulty. 65.161.0.75 16:00, 21 March 2008 (UTC)Cybrarian

Fighting style
Dear 68.34.156.49, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?


 * Gee I don't know. Maybe I'm talking about the quote I took from Anakin/Vaders page under lightsaber training. Right under the pic of him and Luke dueling on the Death Star, is that quote. Why don't u read it before u make out like I don't know what **** I'm talking about, u asshole!

68.34.156.49 20:30, 22 January 2008 (UTC)Love Ryan
 * Calm down or you guys will receive a short ban. No personal attacks.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Darth Vader
Why doesn't Darth Vader have his own article. I would have thought he would because he was a different character. Also, what's up at the top of the page?--UESPA 22:30, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Used to be on a different page but got merged after several arguments on the subject. And if you mean the funny blue URLs, they should be little icons but it isn't working at the moment. Green Tentacle (Talk) 22:38, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

New main quote?
"I've accepted the truth that you were once Anakin Skywalker, my father."

- Luke Skywalker

How does this sound? Lalala la 10:29, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * It doesn't really tell us anything about the character. Nothing about his personality or talents. Still, the current one's not great, and we'd welcome a change if someone can find a good quote (though I doubt it, I'm sure people have already checked all the sources for quotes).  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 20:54, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

Ahsoka

 * Shouldn't there be a mention that Ahsoka Tano was his Padawan while Anakin was still a Jedi Knight? Possibly under "Knighthood"? 63.64.127.15 22:44, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Behind the Scenes - WWII?
TO me, this sounds like one contributor's personal speculation and does not seem terribly well researched (there's no outside source on any of these ideas, and seems rather dubious to begin with) not to mention that his helmet is modelled after a japanese style, not a nazi helmet. I'm going to pull it off the page...if someone's very attached to it and can make a good case why this is so then by all means revert it back. Jett Windar 06:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC) Or maybe not. I guess the page is locked. SO much for working on those clean-up tags. Jett Windar 06:51, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
 * There's a paragraph in the Behind the Scenes section that seems rather wildly speculative "Anakin also shows symmetry with several people in World War II..." etc.

Article too long
I don't want to incite a riot, but this article is really long. I think it should be split up into Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader articles because it is currently the second longest article on Wookiepedia. While the Palpatine and Luke articles may be harder to trim down, this one is a no-brainer (at least in my eyes). Sorry for opening old wounds, but this is probably the easiest way (but not the only way) of reducing the file size. BocoROTH 20:05, 18 February 2008 (UTC) I agree but it is too long--Ryal 17:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but it's not going to happen.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:21, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

"Adherence to the Hero Cycle" section
Is it just me or this section is pure OR?  Stake black   msg 19:51, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It is to a degree, but it's a well-known character model. The things mentioned are self-sourcing, and while I guess it depends on your interpretation, it's pretty obvious they fit that trait. I personally think it should stay. What do others think?  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 15:18, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Some parts aren't that obvious, and require interpretation, such as these:
 * 5.3. Crucifixion—Anakin's and Obi-Wan's lightsabers perfectly crossed above Anakin's chest during their duel on Mustafar.
 * 6.1. Imprisonment in whale's belly—Capture in the "belly" of Invisible Hand and in the "belly" of the Geonosian arena.
 * 6.3. Petrification—Anakin immolated on Mustafar; electrocuted by Palpatine aboard the second Death Star.  Stake black   msg 16:48, 2 March 2008 (UTC)


 * And...?  Stake black   msg 12:50, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Your points make sense for those events. I think removing them would be okay. Anyone else have an opinion?  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 13:59, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Well I think it's kinda cool that George Lucas refers to that, it's not needed in the Anakin Skywalker page, infact I don't think it rally needs that much space because every one knows Anakin turns into a true hero in the end. Plus since it only contimplates to Anakin it shouldn't refer to Luke.  Mecenarylord 18:23, 16 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I'll give it a few days, if no one objects it, I'm removing it, all right?  Stake black   msg 21:02, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Just those things, or all of it?  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 22:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking of removing it all.  Stake black   msg 13:03, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I recommend removing only the ones like those listed above. The non-obvious ones only should go.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 18:44, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Article Introduction
The introduction to this article really needs a rewrite. It seems to be more a list of anakin's decendents, than a summary of his life and there is almost nothing in it about the "Darth Vader" period of his life, which is like the most significant bit of his life. --Tom rules 16:26, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll rewrite it soon, unless someone else does.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 23:37, 16 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Check it out.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 22:42, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Ahsoka Tano
In the infobox about Anakin it says that Asoka Teno was his Jedi Apprentice, but its never mentioned anywhere else in the article as far as I could tell. I know the article's long already, but if there was information about that, it would certainly help me know who that was, as well as a bunch of other people probably. Or am I just totally stupid for not knowing who Ahsoka is. Aqua Unasi 19:34, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Its not that ur totally stupid its that you probably haven't seen the new clone wars trailer. You'll pretty much get everything after that -
 * Right. Ahsoka Tano is going to be a character in the upcoming Clone Wars TV show. Since the show hasn't come out yet, there isn't much info about the actual things she and Anakin do. -LtNOWIS 22:56, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

a call to seperation
darth vader and anikin are basicly two different also if you say want to look at darth vader info you have to scroll all the way down lets vote to return the page as it used to be--Ryal 03:08, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

a call to seperation
darth and anikin are seperate it is very inconveinient to scrool down almost an entire page lets bring this up and vote --Ryal 03:13, 25 March 2008 (UTC) "There was no Vader. There was only you. Only Anakin Skywalker."
 * I'm sorry, but people are not going to want to separate this. Even the possibility of a vote would be shot down quickly.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 13:28, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * If you're saying the Anakin and Vader articles should be split, I disagree. Anakin was Vader, and he had turned to the dark side.  If it was really not just Anakin who turned to the dark side, Episode III was not tragic at all, but pointless and Anakin would be blameless.  It shouldn't be changed simply because it is inconvenient.

- Revenge of the Sith novelization

Drewton 01:15, 26 March 2008 (UTC) but the databank seperates them--Ryal 17:35, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * But this isn't the Databank. This is Wookieepedia and we have a right to do things our own way instead of being a carbon copy of the Databank. Darth Anakin 17:42, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

merchandise
On the merchandise wiki, i think we should merge Anakin and Vader together.I ask here as theres no one on the merchandise wiki.Please reply to User:Sgtcook, thanks.217.44.210.237 13:22, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I have decided to merge them as you have on this wiki.If you just agree, just tell me.Sgtcook 20:11, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

The Last of the Jedi Update Needed
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe that this article needs an update for The Last of the Jedi: Master of Deception. Would it be at all possible if somebody else would do it??--71.237.226.3 20:04, 11 April 2008 (UTC)

Dark Lord: The rise of Darth vader
The timeline seems to be missing all of what happened during the Novel, "Dark Lord: The rise of Darth Vader" Which shows his transformation from a tragic hero to the Dark lord of the Sith. The book shows his change of attitudes for the remaining Jedi, his change of fighting style, and the beginning of his suspicions about whether or not Sidious truly was on his side. These events seem to be important to the overall character development of Vader. The lack of information about this time period should probably be fixed. I'd do it but I'm not registered and I cannot write in the various wiki standards that need to be upheld. 76.115.211.185 04:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)