Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Rulf Yage


 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a featured article nomination that was successful. Please do not modify it.

Rulf Yage

 * Nominated by: Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 14:50, 17 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Wookieepedia's Father of the Year for 137 ABY.

(6 Inqs/1 Users/7 Total/INQCON 6)
Support
 * 1)  Grunny  ( Talk ) 00:14, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 2)  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  15:50, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 3)  Cavalier One FarStar Logo.jpg( Squadron channel ) 09:42, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 4)  —Harrar  ( Cut the comm chatter ) 21:10, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Again! —Tommy9281  Dark side Master SWGTCG.jpg ( No quarter given, all exits sealed ) 18:46, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) Very good job!--Jedi Kasra (talk) 14:10, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) Imperialles 20:19, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Grunny:
 * 2) * The intro could be cut down to match the length of the article.
 * 3) **I honestly don't know how I could cut down on the intro; my original version was much longer, and I had to remove a lot of details from that. The only possible thing I could remove are the details on the lead up to and the final battle of the Sith-Imperial War, all of which I believe are necessary to set the stage for Yage's attack on Ossus. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 11:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) ***I still think it could be summarized more efficiently. For an article of this length the intro should be about two decently sized paragraphs. We can discuss it in IRC next time I catch you there :-).  Grunny  ( Talk ) 05:43, 21 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) * "an elite unit of Predator-class starfighters" currently the type of squadron Skull Squadron is only included in the intro, could be worth a mention in the body too as it would show what type of starfighter he flew.
 * 6) **Done. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 11:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) * Seat on the Council of Moffs: "allied with the One Sith Order of Darth Krayt, the Dark Lord of the Sith, and it was the Sith who had sabotaged the Ossus Project." Too many "Sith"s in close succession, can you reword a little?
 * 8) **Done. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 11:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) * The search for Skywalker: "through Moff Konrad Rus's contacts on Bastion, where Skywalker had healed Imperial heir Princess Marasiah Fel after she had been injured during an encounter with the Sith on Vendaxa." Didn't Skywalker heal her on the Mynock straight after the battle, as they left Vendaxa for Bastion, not on Bastion itself?
 * 10) **Reworded. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 11:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 11) * The search for Skywalker: "Yage accused the Chiss Moff Fehlaaur that the Chiss Ascendancy was harboring" Using "accused" and "that" together reads a little awkward to me and I think it could be worded better, can you rework it?
 * 12) **Reworded as well. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 11:03, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 13) *Good work as usual, Tranner :-).  Grunny  ( Talk ) 10:18, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 14) From the eighth cortex of Harrar
 * 15) * Intro "a move done behind the back of the incumbent Emperor Roan Fel" - can we rephrase "done"? I think it's the wrong verb. Maybe "carried out"?
 * 16) **Done. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 20:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 17) * ...the Moffs...allied with the order of the Dark Lord Darth Krayt, and it was the Sith who had sabotaged the Ossus Project." Something ain't right about that "and". Not sure what's going on so can't correct.
 * 18) **I believe that was something left over from a previous version. Fixed now. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 20:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 19) * Do you want to pipelink in Battle of Caamas in the body? I don't know where you wanna put it so I haven't sofixited it.
 * 20) **Done. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 20:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 21) * "But one final act in the war had yet to come." Call me old-fashioned. But I don't think sentences should really start with "but". Maybe something like "The final act of the war, however, had yet to come."
 * 22) **Honestly, I don't see why it would be an issue. Nonetheless, I've changed it. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 20:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 23) ***It was more because it was at the start of the paragraph and didn't seem to flow that well, but these kind of objections are a bit frustrating, sorry.
 * 24) * "He had become aware of the healing power that Jedi-turned-bounty hunter Cade Skywalker possessed through Moff Konrad Rus's contacts on Bastion, where Skywalker had returned Imperial heir Princess Marasiah Fel after she had been injured during an encounter with the Sith on Vendaxa. The Dark Lord of the Sith hoped to capture the former Jedi and convert him to the dark side of the Force with the hope that his abilities could be used to increase the Emperor's own longevity." I think this can be drastically be reduced in size; how about "Having become aware of the healing power that Jedi-turned-bounty hunter Cade Skywalker possessed, Krayt hoped to capture the former Jedi and convert him to the dark side of the Force, in the hope that Skywalker's abilities could be used to increase the Emperor's own longevity." Or maybe I'm going above my station, sorry. If you don't change it, then you need to de-link Princess Marasiah Fel as you've already established her in the first section.
 * 25) **Eh, I have it like that primarily for context. I figured that if I didn't explain it originally, someone would ask me to during the review. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 20:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 26) ***Sure, better more context than less I say.
 * 27) * "Gunn and her squad mates Jae Akura, Brodie Coburn, and Tev Rimon returned to the Skull Squadron Hangar, where Gunn encountered her father." Can we re-word this to Yage's perspective, i.e. that he traveled to the hangar and awaited their arrival?
 * 28) **Done. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 20:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 29) * You've used the quotation for the P&T but haven't drawn conclusions from it in the P&T, which might seem strange for readers. Can you add a little more with inferences?
 * 30) **Excellent catch, Harrar. Fixed. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 20:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 31) *Great article Tranner, I do hope Arien Yage resurfaces with Rulf as her grandson! -- —Harrar  ( Cut the comm chatter ) 20:30, 25 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 32) Blacklist:
 * 33) * "A member of the Council of Moffs, he represented the interests of the Imperial Navy, having previously served as both the commander of Skull Squadron, an elite unit of Predator-class starfighters]] assigned to defend the Imperial capital world of Bastion, and the coordinator of starfighter tactics on the Star Destroyer Ephin Sarreti, attached to the Second Outer Rim Fleet." This is quite a run on, please split up.
 * 34) **Done. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 02:06, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 35) *Possibly more to come in a bit. —Tommy9281 Dark side Master SWGTCG.jpg ( No quarter given, all exits sealed ) 02:00, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 36) * "When Gunn and her squad mates Jae Akura, Brodie Coburn, and Tev Rimon returned to the Skull Squadron Hangar, Rulf was waiting for them." Rearrange this please so that it is told from the perspective of Moff Yage.
 * 37) **Done. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 14:22, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 38) * In the next few sentences, you use the phrase, "wasting/wasted no time" in too close succession. Please rework.
 * 39) **Done. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 14:22, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 40) * "Yage met his daughter at the Naboo Queen restaurant, formerly the senatorial apartment of one-time Naboo queen and senator, Padmé Amidala, during the final days of the Old Republic." This almost reads like Yage met his daughter at the Naboo Queen during the final days of the Old Republic. IMO, I don't think you need to explain the reasoning for the restaurant being named Naboo Queen; you give enough context I believe by simply stating it was a "restaurant".
 * 41) **I removed the commas around Padmé Amidala, but I left all the context in. If you still feel it would be better with all the details removed, let me know. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 14:22, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 42) ***For some reason, that made quite the difference. —Tommy9281 Dark side Master SWGTCG.jpg ( No quarter given, all exits sealed ) 18:46, 28 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 43) *That's all. —Tommy9281 Dark side Master SWGTCG.jpg ( No quarter given, all exits sealed ) 03:50, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 44) Imperialles:
 * 45) * File:Moffyage.jpg is horribly low quality; you can see fingerprint residue from the scanner. I would be embarrassed to put it on the Main Page. Additionally, the text of the non-cropped speech bubble has to be restored.
 * 46) **May I direct you to this image, the main picture on a recently-passed FA nom - an image from the same page of the comic and uploaded by the same user (Redemption). Additionally, you made no objection when the speech bubbles in the Fehlaaur main image were erased. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 00:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 47) * File:FehlaaurYage.jpg is also a fairly low-quality scan. There seems to be a strip of &hellip;something stretching across the image near the characters' faces. The speech bubbles must be restored.
 * 48) **Pretty much the same reasoning as above. You made no objection to this image on the Fehlaaur nom, including the blank speech bubbles, etc. I can try to have it replaced, but I have to wonder why you're objecting on this nom when you didn't on the Fehlaaur nom. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 00:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 49) * File:RulfsIsNotToQuestionWhySWL19p13.jpg could be better scanned; the whole thing seems a little blurry.
 * 50) **That's pretty much how it is in the comic. I can't help that. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 00:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 51) * File:IdentityCrisis-SWL19p12.jpg is also blurry, but to a far greater degree than the previously mentioned image. It has a Monet-ish flair.
 * 52) **Same as above. Needless to say, these images can be much better - but that's how they are in the comic. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 00:52, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 53) ***If I might butt in, I actually would suggest simply forgoing use of this image in the article altogether; it's what I do when the images I am after are simply unsuitable at the source. Graestan ( Talk ) 21:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 54) ****That image, despite its horrible quality (as it is in the comic), this image is needed to illustrate a statement in the BTS. There is no way to improve it; there is no reason to remove it. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 21:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 55) *****I just checked the only comic store in Virginia Beach that keeps any decent quantity of back issues of Star Wars comics, and they don't have Legacy 19. This image, therefore, IS the "highest quality available" by any sane person's criteria. It is necessary for the BTS of the article, and it cannot be further improved. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 22:24, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 56) *These objections fall under rules 4 (See Images) and 16 of the FAN criteria. --Imperialles 13:16, 27 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 57) **So your argument is basically that I am inconsistent in my enforcing of policy? My objections to Fehlaaur were posted in a tent in the woods near the Russian border; I was distracted to say the least. Be assured that I have taken note of the images you mentioned, and will strive to enforce WP:I fully in the future. I will take a closer look at the latter two Impressionist images when I leave the army this Friday. --Imperialles 11:44, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 58) ***It is true that Images says that "Images should be of the highest quality possible." In theory, we could make an effort to infiltrate Dark Horse and steal the printing masters. This is theoretically possible. So Should we suspend ALL featured article nominations until we achieve this? You're taking WP:I to an absolutely ludicrous extreme, for absolutely no useful end, and it's STUPID. It's just plain stupid. If you're objecting to scans by Redemption of all people, then THE PROBLEM IS NOT WITH THE UPLOAD, IT IS WITH YOU. Just because you don't have the skill to make any USEFUL objections does NOT mean you need to make these nitpicky image objections that ONLY YOU believe are problems. It has long since gotten old, and I'm not the only one who's tired of it. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 20:15, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 59) ****Don't assume bad faith. I enforce policy, nothing else. Someone has to bear the banner of image quality on this page. If you wish to change the wording of WP:I, feel free to start a CT. I have agreed to take a closer look at the debatable parts of my objection. The speech bubble blanking, however, is non-negotiable. --Imperialles 20:31, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 60) *****The remaining two images in question have been reuploaded, Imp. Next time, to avoid a similar debate, I would appreciate it if you would come to me first - preferably in a private IRC channel - to leave any image-related objections. I have no wish to see this happen again, and I'm sure the feeling is mutual. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 19:19, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 61) ******I don't feel the need to treat you different from other nominators. I will continue to voice my concerns chiefly on this page. I look forward to your continued cooperation. --Imperialles 20:19, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Comments

Vote to remove all objections by Imperialles (Inquisitorius vote only)

 * 1) Has essentially refused to be reasonable. --  Darth Culator  (Talk) 20:58, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) *"The issue of image quality is only half the objection. The issue of speech bubble blanking still stands. Additionally, I have agreed to re-evaluate the other parts of my objection when I return to a stable connection on Saturday. I don't think that is an unreasonable timeframe." – quoted by request from Imperialles on IRC. Graestan ( Talk ) 21:10, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) *My two cents for now: Aside from the image I made a comment about above, I really do find these objections to be inadmissible following the clarification CT of a few months ago. I'd be all for striking the rest so long as the one image is either rectified or removed. Graestan ( Talk ) 21:18, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) Per my statement and Tranner's explanation regarding the particular image I had questions about.  Graestan ( Talk ) 22:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) *I have removed the parts of the objection relating to image quality. The speech bubble portion remains to be addressed, and cannot be dismissed through any other means than changing policy. --Imperialles 12:56, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Vote to sustain objections by Imperialles (Inquisitorius vote only)

 * 1) I am only voting here because I agree about the speech bubbles needing to be blanked. With the other objections struck, I see no issue with the remaining two images being addressed. Regarding Tranner: It is possible, I believe, that Imp may have simply missed those images in the other nom. He is Human and his location and circumstances undoubtedly were not ideal either. That said, I think assuming bad faith is a poor choice. It was probably a mistake and we all make them. Myself included. Regarding everyone: Let's try to resolve this peacefully without encroaching closer to violating WP:NPA. &mdash;  Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 16:28, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) *Then if you agree about the speech bubbles needing to be blanked, why are you voting to keep Imp's objections? Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 18:16, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) **He likely made a small typo. Speech bubbles must be restored to comply with WP:I, this is non-negotiable and has nothing to do with my views on image quality. I suggest you start looking for new scans. --Imperialles 18:21, 2 July 2009 (UTC)