Wookieepedia:AC/Log/2014 July 12

[23:09:25]  I'd like to welcome everyone officially to AC Meeting 69 [23:09:29]  69 is the Sex Number [23:09:38] 69 is the sex number [23:09:43]  wasn't this starting an hour earlier? [23:09:44]  Starting out with old articles, of which we have only one [23:09:54]  http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jedi_Temple_Guard [23:09:59]  http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Jedi_Temple_Guard [23:10:15]  http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=5058518 [23:10:26]  An update, and nothing has been done at all [23:10:30]  Kill [23:10:30]  Kill. [23:10:34]  Kill [23:10:41] kill [23:10:42]  Kill [23:10:43] Kill [23:10:51]  OK then, Jedi Temple Guard killed [23:10:56]  Now onto the new articles [23:11:03]  They're all on for the same thing [23:11:11]  Planet article junk [23:11:16] <WookieeWinterz> most of them are mine [23:11:18] <IFYLOFD> You guys just want to group them together? [23:11:21] <WookieeWinterz> (blame the bob) [23:11:28] <CavalierOne> I would like to refute two which are mine. [23:11:30] <Toprawa> I have no problem with mass probing, but it wouldn't be a bad idea to evaluate each one to make sure I didn't miss anything [23:11:42] <IFYLOFD> OK, fair enough [23:11:49] <IFYLOFD> First up [23:11:50] <Toprawa> I can point out what I objected to [23:11:51] <IFYLOFD> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Abbaji [23:12:07] <Toprawa> During galactic history, the planet fell under the domain of the Galactic Republic and would eventually—many years after the Galactic Republic's fall—be integrated into territory controlled by Darth Krayt's Galactic Empire by 137 ABY.[ 5] [23:12:08] <IFYLOFD> Really only one sentence [23:12:12] <WookieeWinterz> mine. I'll deal with it. [23:12:22] <WookieeWinterz> or just remove that indeed lolz [23:12:35] <Toprawa> Is Aaeton yours, Winterz? [23:12:36] <IFYLOFD> Yeah, you can just cut that out now and we can spare [23:12:39] <WookieeWinterz> yep [23:12:44] <Toprawa> Ok, spare Abbaji [23:12:55] <WookieeWinterz> wait grid coordinates in the body too [23:12:57] <Toprawa> Right [23:13:03] <Toprawa> That's what I was going to say on Aaeton [23:13:09] <WookieeWinterz> I'll move it to Bts or just remove it? [23:13:16] <Toprawa> BTS is optional [23:13:25] <Toprawa> Your choice [23:13:54] <WookieeWinterz> gone baby gone then [23:14:03] <IFYLOFD> Just tell us when it's fixed [23:14:07] <WookieeWinterz> it is now [23:14:16] <Toprawa> We should vote on each one, though [23:14:18] <Toprawa> Spare Abbaji [23:14:21] <IFYLOFD> Indeed [23:14:23] <IFYLOFD> Spare [23:14:28] <CavalierOne> Spare [23:14:30] spare [23:14:49] spare [23:14:56] <WookieeWinterz> spare [23:15:01] <IFYLOFD> Abbaji spared [23:15:04] <WookieeWinterz> I've also removed the CSWE template from the appearances [23:15:05] <IFYLOFD> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aaeton [23:15:15] <Toprawa> Aeton: Grid coordinates, for one [23:15:16] <IFYLOFD> You need to do the same for Aaeton too [23:15:26] <Toprawa> Secondly, I'm not sure if it's this whole sentence or just part of it: "Aaeton remained within the Republic's space during the Clone Wars, a conflict between the Republic and the Confederacy of Independent Systems. Eventually, with the Republic's demise, the planet fell within Imperial territory by 7 ABY and Darth Krayt's Galactic Empire's as of 137 ABY.[2] " [23:16:01] <WookieeWinterz> well it's all from the maps [23:16:10] <Toprawa> Is Aeton mentioned on the maps? [23:16:15] <WookieeWinterz> nope [23:16:18] <Toprawa> Then remove :P [23:16:24] <WookieeWinterz> wait, I'm not sure now [23:16:37] (2-0 to Netherlands) [23:16:38] <WookieeWinterz> ah nah it isn't in the maps [23:16:48] <WookieeWinterz> otherwise it would be considered as part of the factions I believe [23:17:19] <Toprawa> I'm not sure what you're even trying to say [23:17:44] <Toprawa> This is all very straightforward. We should be able to move through this quickly. [23:17:54] <WookieeWinterz> alright, fixed. [23:17:55] The Atlas is in the sources section, so it should be in there somewhere... [23:17:59] spare, then [23:18:03] <IFYLOFD> Spare [23:18:07] <Toprawa> Everything is mentioned in the index, whether it's in the book or not [23:18:09] <CavalierOne> Spare [23:18:12] <Toprawa> Spare [23:18:16] Those are just systems though. [23:18:18] <WookieeWinterz> spare [23:18:19] <CavalierOne> Systems, not planets, though [23:18:28] <IFYLOFD> Aaeton spared [23:18:31] <Toprawa> Not everyone considered that when populated Sources lists, though [23:18:33] <Toprawa> populating* [23:18:34] <IFYLOFD> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ab%27Bshingh [23:18:41] <WookieeWinterz> also mine lol [23:18:42] <Toprawa> "The world was briefly controlled by the remnants of the Empire under Imperial Grand Admiral Thrawn during the Imperial Civil War. In 137 ABY, although Ab'Bshingh was in Darth Krayt's Galactic Empire's space, the Galactic Alliance Remnant had influence in the Ab'Bshingh system's area.[1] " [23:18:44] <IFYLOFD> Coordinates and fluff [23:18:56] <IFYLOFD> This one looks like it'll go under 250 [23:19:12] <WookieeWinterz> ehrm seeing the "controlled" I think it really appears in the map. [23:19:23] <Toprawa> I doubt it. [23:19:38] <Toprawa> You guys just assumed that territorial location meant affiliated control. [23:19:47] <WookieeWinterz> never sir [23:19:54] <WookieeWinterz> I assumed it was within 'x' space [23:20:01] <Toprawa> That's the same thing [23:20:04] <WookieeWinterz> We should probably probe it because I can't check it now [23:20:09] <IFYLOFD> Yeah [23:20:14] <Toprawa> Probe [23:20:16] <IFYLOFD> And it's 220 words with those parts excised [23:20:18] <IFYLOFD> Probe [23:20:18] probe [23:20:20] <WookieeWinterz> probe [23:20:24] <CavalierOne> Probe [23:20:31] <WookieeWinterz> so should I move it to CAN? :P [23:20:36] <IFYLOFD> EJ? [23:20:38] <Toprawa> Not until we kill it [23:20:44] <Toprawa> You technically have a chance to bring it back to 250 [23:20:50] Probe [23:20:56] <IFYLOFD> Ab'Bshingh probed [23:21:01] <IFYLOFD> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Abo_Dreth [23:21:04] <Toprawa> Abo Dreth has a bunch of stuff in the intro and body. [23:21:14] <IFYLOFD> Another Terznom [23:21:20] <Toprawa> Like this: "Since its discovery by the Galactic Republic sometime between 3000 BBY and 25 BBY, the planet remained outside of galactic affairs until the rise of the Galactic Empire." [23:21:39] <Toprawa> There's no guarantee Abo Dreth was discovered between that period unless it's explicitly identified on the map [23:21:46] <WookieeWinterz> indeed [23:21:47] <WookieeWinterz> probe [23:21:55] <Toprawa> Probe [23:22:09] <IFYLOFD> Probe [23:22:11] <CavalierOne> Probe [23:22:11] Probe [23:22:19] <IFYLOFD> Ecks? [23:22:31] <IFYLOFD> Five [23:22:33] <IFYLOFD> Four [23:22:35] <IFYLOFD> Three [23:22:36] <IFYLOFD> Two [23:22:38] <IFYLOFD> One [23:22:41] <IFYLOFD> Abo Dreth probed [23:22:44] <IFYLOFD> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Abrion_Major [23:22:51] <Toprawa> Abrion Major: I object to the first and last sentences of the History section. [23:23:30] <IFYLOFD> This one would be under 250 [23:23:35] <IFYLOFD> Probe [23:23:37] <Toprawa> Note that the planet isn't even mentioned in Atlas [23:23:45] <Toprawa> Probe [23:23:48] Probe [23:23:52] <CavalierOne> Probe [23:23:52] probe [23:24:04] <WookieeWinterz> probe [23:24:09] <IFYLOFD> Abrion Major probed [23:24:17] <IFYLOFD> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Circumtore [23:24:18] <Toprawa> Circumtore has stuff in both the intro and body [23:24:28] <IFYLOFD> This is a Dogma nom [23:24:30] <Toprawa> Intro, for example: "Between 26 ABY and 27 ABY, during the Yuuzhan Vong War, Circumtore was attacked by the Yuuzhan Vong invaders, although the Hutts later retook the planetoid and its system by 40 ABY. " [23:24:36] <Toprawa> Actually. [23:24:39] <Toprawa> The beginning of that sentence is ok [23:24:46] <WookieeWinterz> brb [23:24:46] <Toprawa> But the end of it is what we're after [23:24:58] <IFYLOFD> Probe [23:25:05] <Toprawa> Same in the body, etc. [23:25:06] <Toprawa> Probe [23:25:09] Probe [23:25:41] <IFYLOFD> Cav, Ecks [23:25:46] <CavalierOne> Probe [23:26:04] <IFYLOFD> Alright, Circumtore probed [23:26:09] <IFYLOFD> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/D%27ian [23:26:11] <Toprawa> D'ian is actually the article that prompted me to propose this rule at the Mofference. [23:26:15] <IFYLOFD> An Ayrehead nom [23:26:17] <Toprawa> Practically the entire History section is this stuff [23:26:22] nuke it all [23:26:44] <Toprawa> Probe [23:26:45] Wow... [23:26:47] Probe [23:26:50] probe [23:26:54] <CavalierOne> Probe [23:26:59] <IFYLOFD> Probe [23:27:12] <IFYLOFD> D'ian probed [23:27:14] <IFYLOFD> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jilrua [23:27:25] <IFYLOFD> Imperators article [23:27:25] <Toprawa> Is this yours, Cav? [23:27:30] <Toprawa> Oh, ok [23:27:32] <CavalierOne> Nope [23:27:43] <Toprawa> Because the entire History section looks suspect [23:27:53] <IFYLOFD> Almost the entire History section [23:27:55] <Toprawa> Certainly most of it, if not all [23:27:56] <IFYLOFD> Likely going under 250 [23:27:58] <IFYLOFD> Probe [23:27:58] <CavalierOne> And you thought it was mine?> [23:28:05] <CavalierOne> I'm offended :P [23:28:06] <Toprawa> I don't know :P [23:28:07] <IFYLOFD> The first sentence or so seems fine [23:28:07] <CavalierOne> Probe [23:28:11] <Toprawa> Didn't you write Jilruan? :P [23:28:14] <Toprawa> Probe [23:28:17] I think the first sentence is good. [23:28:19] Probe [23:28:43] <IFYLOFD> Jilrua probed [23:28:46] <IFYLOFD> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kalandis_Seven [23:28:50] <IFYLOFD> Revan nom [23:28:56] <Toprawa> First sentence and final paragraph [23:29:03] <Toprawa> of History [23:29:06] <IFYLOFD> Probe [23:29:09] <Toprawa> Probe [23:29:30] <CavalierOne> Probe [23:29:35] probe [23:29:40] <IFYLOFD> Ecks [23:29:47] p [23:29:49] <IFYLOFD> ye [23:29:53] <IFYLOFD> Kalandis Seven probed [23:29:57] <IFYLOFD> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nal_Koska [23:30:02] <Toprawa> Everything that's not in the Game Completion template. [23:30:03] <IFYLOFD> Another Imperators [23:30:13] <IFYLOFD> Probe [23:30:16] <Toprawa> We didn't explicitly cover population regions in the rule, but it's the same thing [23:30:20] <Toprawa> Same principle [23:30:28] Agreed. [23:30:38] Probe [23:30:40] <Toprawa> Probe [23:30:50] probe [23:30:53] <CavalierOne> Probe [23:31:16] <IFYLOFD> Nal Koska probed [23:31:18] <IFYLOFD> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nigel_VI [23:31:20] <IFYLOFD> Imp nom [23:31:32] <Toprawa> Nigel VI was discovered by the galactic community at large some time between 8000 and 5500 BBY.[7] and For a brief period of time during the Clone Wars, the area of space containing Nigel VI was considered to be under the political hegemony of the Confederacy of Independent Systems.[8] [23:32:02] <IFYLOFD> Probe [23:32:10] Probe [23:32:12] <CavalierOne> Probe [23:32:17] <Toprawa> Probe [23:32:31] <IFYLOFD> Ecks, my lad [23:32:49] p [23:32:51] damn this game [23:32:58] <IFYLOFD> Nigel VI probed [23:33:00] <IFYLOFD> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Noori [23:33:03] <Toprawa> The entire History section. [23:33:07] <IFYLOFD> Tinwe nom [23:33:19] <IFYLOFD> Probe [23:33:22] <Toprawa> Probe [23:33:29] Probe [23:34:05] <IFYLOFD> Cav, Ecks [23:34:10] <CavalierOne> Probe [23:34:24] p [23:34:28] <IFYLOFD> Noori probed [23:34:31] <IFYLOFD> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Obas [23:34:33] <Toprawa> although the planet later fell under the zone of control of Darth Krayt's Galactic Empire.[5] and The world was discovered by the galactic community between 20,000 and 25 BBY.[6] [23:34:38] <IFYLOFD> Imp again [23:34:42] <Toprawa> Ref note 6 kind of speaks for itself in this matter... [23:35:08] ... [23:35:11] Probe [23:35:18] <CavalierOne> Probe [23:35:20] <IFYLOFD> Probulate [23:35:23] probe [23:35:24] <WookieeWinterz> probation [23:35:24] <Toprawa> Probe [23:35:34] <IFYLOFD> Obas probed [23:35:36] <IFYLOFD> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ord_Lithone [23:35:39] <IFYLOFD> Imp again [23:35:40] <Toprawa> First sentence and last paragraph. [23:36:11] Probe [23:36:15] <IFYLOFD> Probe [23:36:21] <Toprawa> Probe [23:36:23] <WookieeWinterz> probe [23:36:33] <IFYLOFD> Cav, Ecks [23:36:33] p [23:36:38] <CavalierOne> Probe [23:36:48] <IFYLOFD> Ord Lithone? More like Ord Lithprobed [23:36:51] <IFYLOFD> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Seven_Flames [23:36:55] <Toprawa> Last sentence. [23:36:59] <IFYLOFD> Terz [23:37:08] <WookieeWinterz> Seven Flames Winterz [23:37:15] <IFYLOFD> Probe that shit [23:37:28] <IFYLOFD> Winterz should not be allowed to do this [23:37:28] <Toprawa> Probe [23:37:30] probe [23:37:32] <WookieeWinterz> hold on [23:37:39] <IFYLOFD> CUT IT OUT AND WE'LL SPARE [23:37:39] <Toprawa> If you can verify and remove, we can spare [23:38:02] <Toprawa> I'm just assuming all of these are bogus, but I'll be happy to be proven wrong [23:38:21] <WookieeWinterz> Fixed [23:38:28] <Toprawa> Spare [23:38:32] Spare [23:38:33] <IFYLOFD> Spare [23:38:39] <WookieeWinterz> spare my kids [23:38:44] <CavalierOne> spare [23:38:48] spare [23:38:50] <IFYLOFD> Seven Flames spared [23:38:53] <IFYLOFD> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sif-Uwana [23:38:56] <Toprawa> Possibly the entire first paragraph; definitely the last sentence [23:38:58] <IFYLOFD> Terz again [23:39:00] <WookieeWinterz> mine too [23:39:08] <IFYLOFD> Sif-Uwana be my lover, you gotta get with my friends [23:39:19] <WookieeWinterz> it appears on the maps [23:39:21] <Toprawa> Floyd's channeling his favorite 90s musical act. [23:39:24] <IFYLOFD> It appears I made this same joke on the nom page and I didn't remember [23:39:26] <Toprawa> On both maps, Winterz? [23:39:42] <IFYLOFD> Both my sisters loved the Spice Girls, my knowledge of them is surprising to many [23:39:48] <Toprawa> Mine did too. [23:39:52] <Toprawa> But I pretend I know nothing. :P [23:40:03] <WookieeWinterz> I'm not entirely sure about the Darth Krayt one but it's very likely since it's apparently on the other maps [23:40:12] <Toprawa> I don't agree with the likelikhood [23:40:14] <WookieeWinterz> if you want probe go ahead [23:40:17] <Toprawa> They're different books [23:40:21] <Toprawa> likelihood* [23:40:40] <Toprawa> Probe if you can't verify [23:40:45] probe [23:40:46] <WookieeWinterz> yeah probe [23:40:52] Probe [23:40:58] <IFYLOFD> Probe [23:41:05] <CavalierOne> Probe [23:41:16] <IFYLOFD> Sif-Uwana probed [23:41:21] <IFYLOFD> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Suurja [23:41:23] <WookieeWinterz> Floydo's [23:41:27] <IFYLOFD> Not mine, surprisingly [23:41:29] <Toprawa> In the intro: "Millennia later, the region of space surrounding Suurja changed ownership between various governments such as the Galactic Empire's successor states and the New Republic. " [23:41:30] <WookieeWinterz> wut [23:41:33] <Toprawa> And the entire last paragraph, apparently [23:41:35] <IFYLOFD> Imperators nailed this one before I ever started writing KOTOR articles [23:41:49] <Toprawa> And the beginning of the History [23:41:54] <IFYLOFD> Probe dat [23:41:55] <Toprawa> The region of space surrounding Suurja was explored between the years 5000 BBY[6] and 3996 BBY.[7] [23:41:59] <WookieeWinterz> probe [23:42:01] <Toprawa> Probe [23:42:02] <CavalierOne> Probe [23:42:04] probe [23:42:07] probe [23:42:13] <IFYLOFD> I wrote five battle articles about the planet, but not the planet itself :P [23:42:16] <IFYLOFD> Suurja probed [23:42:19] <IFYLOFD> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Thorgeld_I [23:42:21] <CavalierOne> Mine [23:42:27] <IFYLOFD> Cav. [23:42:33] <Toprawa> Ok, here's what I'm objecting to [23:42:44] <Toprawa> 1) "The region of space containing Thorgeld I was explored between 27,500 BBY and 25,000 BBY,[7] and was located within the bounds of the Galactic Republic from around 22,000 BBY[8] until 19 BBY.[9]" [23:42:53] <Toprawa> 2) By 137 ABY, Thorgeld I lay within space claimed by Darth Krayt's Galactic Empire and was part of the region known as the Core Worlds Security Zone.[5] [23:42:54] <CavalierOne> Thorgeld is located on Atlas maps. [23:43:09] <Toprawa> 3) Thorgeld I hosted a population of between 10 and 100 billion inhabitants by 25 ABY.[2] [23:43:11] <WookieeWinterz> regarding the exploration parts, don't we accept it if they are listed in the maps? [23:43:14] <CavalierOne> And I know exactly where it is in relation to others when the planet isn;t on a specific map. [23:43:30] <Toprawa> So all three of these have Thorgeld listed on their respective maps? [23:43:54] <CavalierOne> As I said, if they don't, I know where it is in relation to other planets. [23:44:02] <CavalierOne> Velusia and Brentaal in particular. [23:44:08] <CavalierOne> And the trade routes surrounding. [23:44:12] <CavalierOne> I was very thorough. [23:44:21] <Toprawa> I don't understand what you're saying [23:44:40] <Toprawa> If it's not listed on the maps, how are you justifying this information's inclusion? [23:44:58] <CavalierOne> Because I know where it is in relation to other planets on the map. [23:45:01] It is not on the population map. [23:45:13] <Toprawa> That doesn't really mean anything, Cav [23:45:18] <CavalierOne> Yes it does. [23:45:22] <WookieeWinterz> lolo Cav that has been the whole issue [23:45:28] <Toprawa> Yes, Cav, that's the whole issue [23:45:33] <CavalierOne> I know Thorgeld is between Velusia and Anaxes. [23:45:37] <Toprawa> If it's not listed on the maps, we're not including the information [23:45:40] <Toprawa> That doesn't mean anything [23:45:52] <CavalierOne> So if Velusia and Anaxes are included on a map, I know where Thorgeld is in relation. [23:46:03] <CavalierOne> Because they're not going to move it. [23:46:20] <Toprawa> I understand what you're saying, and I'm saying that doesn't mean anything for our purposes according to the new rule. [23:46:29] <CavalierOne> And I'm saying it should. [23:46:33] <Toprawa> If Thorgeld isn't explicitly identified, we're not including the information. [23:46:35] <CavalierOne> Because its basic extrapolation. [23:46:40] <Toprawa> We just probed 20 articles on this same rationale [23:46:43] <CavalierOne> Then that's a shit ruling. [23:46:45] <Toprawa> But you're defending yours [23:46:52] <WookieeWinterz> lolz [23:46:54] <CavalierOne> When I can prove otherwise. [23:46:59] <Toprawa> And that's the whole point, Cav: extrapolation [23:47:03] <Toprawa> We're not extrapolating [23:47:10] <Toprawa> That's the whole point. [23:47:30] <CavalierOne> You're ignoring information then. [23:47:38] <Toprawa> I disagree. [23:47:47] <Toprawa> We're ignoring information that isn't explicitly identified [23:48:06] It is not on the Atlas maps at all. [23:48:10] <WookieeWinterz> accept the probe, Cav, the new policy was explicit enough [23:48:13] <CavalierOne> Yes it is EJ [23:48:16] <CavalierOne> Core Worlds map [23:48:20] <WookieeWinterz> and we all supported it [23:48:37] Well, then it should be in the sources section... [23:48:47] <CavalierOne> System, not planet. [23:48:59] <CavalierOne> Seriously, do I have to explain all this to you? [23:49:14] <Toprawa> You're assuming just because Thorgeld is on one map, that other info found on other maps must therefore apply. And I'm trying to tell you that the whole point here. We're not making that assumption. [23:49:37] I'm sorry, but I have to go. [23:49:38] <Toprawa> I understand exactly what you're saying [23:49:43] *** exiledjedi is now known as exiledjedi|away [23:49:47] <CavalierOne> Good. [23:50:00] <CavalierOne> Then you;re just ignoring my perfectly reasonable rationale. [23:50:03] <WookieeWinterz> but Cav, we've been probing all the other articles because of that. If they're not specifically listed in the maps and assumptions were made based on their grid coordinates, then they're compromised by the new policy [23:50:06] <Toprawa> No, I just disagree with it. [23:50:15] <CavalierOne> I give no fucks about other articles in this regard [23:50:17] <Toprawa> Ok, I'm done arguing this. [23:50:24] <Toprawa> I think the situation is sufficiently clear. [23:50:27] <CavalierOne> Its up to the nominator to justify their inclusion. [23:50:33] <CavalierOne> And I don't [23:50:47] <Toprawa> We've probed enough articles on these same grounds, and I think the rule is clear enough for us to understand. [23:50:57] <CavalierOne> And you rule is too rigid [23:51:03] <Toprawa> Frankly, Cav, I think you're just being defensive for your own article, but whatever. That's your prerogative. [23:51:12] <Toprawa> I vote probe. Let's get this moving. [23:51:15] <CavalierOne> Spare [23:51:19] <WookieeWinterz> probe [23:51:26] <IFYLOFD> Probe [23:51:53] I guess probe.. [23:52:19] <IFYLOFD> OK, Thorgeld probed [23:52:54] <Toprawa> Ok, Floyd is stepping out for a sec. [23:52:59] <Toprawa> I'll handle it until he returns shortly. [23:53:08] <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ulmatra [23:53:19] <WookieeWinterz> Imp's [23:53:26] <Toprawa> Everything not in the Game Completion template. [23:54:00] <WookieeWinterz> probe [23:54:04] <Toprawa> Probe [23:54:37] <Toprawa> Cav, ecks? [23:55:12] <IFYLOFD> ok, I'm back [23:55:13] <IFYLOFD> Probe [23:55:34] p [23:55:41] <Toprawa> Ulmatra probed [23:55:43] <Toprawa> Back to Floyd [23:55:56] <IFYLOFD> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unagin [23:56:03] <Toprawa> The entire History [23:56:03] <IFYLOFD> Imperators [23:56:20] <WookieeWinterz> probe [23:56:22] <Toprawa> It's possible someof that stuff if legit if it's on the maps [23:56:22] probe [23:56:25] <Toprawa> But someone should vet it [23:56:28] <IFYLOFD> Probe [23:56:32] <Toprawa> is legit* [23:56:51] <IFYLOFD> Cav? [23:57:10] <IFYLOFD> Unagin probed [23:57:14] <IFYLOFD> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vo [23:57:24] <IFYLOFD> This is Graestan's [23:57:50] <Toprawa> Much of the History [23:58:01] <Toprawa> Some of it is probably legit, but it's not immediately clear [23:58:03] probe [23:58:10] <Toprawa> Probe [23:58:13] <WookieeWinterz> probe [23:58:15] <IFYLOFD> Probe [23:58:17] <WookieeWinterz> it's not mentioned in the Atlas [23:58:18] <CavalierOne> Probe. [23:58:27] <IFYLOFD> Vo probed [23:58:28] <Toprawa> Actually, anything with [2] is bogus, I think [23:58:36] <IFYLOFD> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Good_article_nominations/Xerxes [23:58:42] <IFYLOFD> Whoops [23:58:47] <IFYLOFD> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Xerxes [23:58:51] <IFYLOFD> This is Cav's [23:58:59] <Toprawa> Ok, let me identify. [23:59:33] <Toprawa> 1) The region of space surrounding Xerxes was charted sometime between 27,500 BBY and 25,000 BBY, and was part of the territory that the Galactic Republic claimed[5] until 19 BBY.[6] [23:59:35] <Toprawa> 2) By 137 ABY, Xerxes was located within the Core Worlds Security Zone, which was part of Darth Krayt's Galactic Empire.[3] [23:59:43] <Toprawa> Is this the exact same thing as Thorgeld? [23:59:44] <CavalierOne> Read ref 5 [23:59:59] <CavalierOne> And entire m-11 grid is involved. [00:00:08] <CavalierOne> Xerxes has no definite placement. [00:00:26] <Toprawa> See, I disagree with that, and here's an example why: [00:00:40] <CavalierOne> So unless the entire Core Worlds section in grid M-11 grid is involved, it's not included. [00:00:53] <Toprawa> During the GCW, Laakteen was controlled by the Rebels for about a year, but that whole region is considered Imperial territory in that same time period. [00:01:03] <Toprawa> But that doesn't mean every planet in the territory belongs to that affiliation [00:01:14] <Toprawa> This is what we discussed at the Mofference [00:01:22] quick brb [00:01:48] <WookieeWinterz> that is what "brb" stands for, duh [00:01:51] <Toprawa> Your reference talks about how it must apply to Republic territory, and I disagree with that. [00:02:02] <Toprawa> Obviously, you disagree with my interpretation [00:02:04] <CavalierOne> I make no claims it was Republic affiliation. [00:02:14] <CavalierOne> Just that the space around it was claimed as Republic territory. [00:02:19] <CavalierOne> Which the maps clearly state. [00:02:31] <Toprawa> Ok, but we've been systematically removing that in every article. [00:02:42] <Toprawa> That's how we're interpreting the rule, which, btw, as the author of the rule, was my intention. [00:02:46] <Toprawa> You disagree, and that's fine. [00:02:55] <CavalierOne> Then you didn't explain it very well. [00:03:06] <Toprawa> I apologize if it was not made clear enough [00:03:13] <CavalierOne> Because I thought that if we could prove it, then it would be ok [00:03:16] <CavalierOne> And I can prove it. [00:03:30] <CavalierOne> Because I was very thorough and very careful when writing these articles. [00:03:32] <Toprawa> My intention is, basically, if the planet isn't on the map, don't talk about territories [00:03:52] <Toprawa> Because we have entire GAs that are nothing but this info. [00:04:00] <Toprawa> When there is no explicit connection [00:04:09] <CavalierOne> And mine have the connection. [00:04:16] <Toprawa> I don't agree with that. [00:04:16] <WookieeWinterz> not entire GAs [00:04:16] <CavalierOne> Because, as I said, I was careful. [00:04:28] <CavalierOne> If you want, I'll write you an entire essay with my reasonings. [00:04:34] <Toprawa> No, I understand exactly what you're saying. [00:05:04] <CavalierOne> Then you're applying a badly devised ruling too strictly without care for individual research extrapolating data [00:05:10] <Toprawa> I disagree. [00:05:19] <CavalierOne> Tell you what. [00:05:23] <CavalierOne> Strip them both now. [00:05:25] <Toprawa> and it's clear we're not going to change each other's minds, so there's no point in arguing [00:05:30] <CavalierOne> Because I'm not removing the info. [00:05:46] <IFYLOFD> Well then give someone else the chance to do it [00:06:08] <IFYLOFD> Let's vote [00:06:09] <IFYLOFD> Probe [00:06:16] <Toprawa> Probe [00:06:16] <WookieeWinterz> probe [00:06:43] <IFYLOFD> Ecks, Cav [00:06:47] probe [00:07:16] <IFYLOFD> OK, Xerxes probed [00:07:26] <WookieeWinterz> any discussion items? [00:07:29] <IFYLOFD> That's it for the articles on the page [00:07:34] <IFYLOFD> Ah ah ah [00:07:48] <IFYLOFD> OK, nothing on the maintenance page [00:07:53] <IFYLOFD> NOW we get into discussion [00:07:57] <IFYLOFD> Anyone have anything? [00:08:02] <Toprawa> Nope [00:08:06] <WookieeWinterz> nein [00:08:36] <IFYLOFD> OK then [00:08:46] <IFYLOFD> That, uh, should be it [00:09:06] <IFYLOFD> Duties [00:09:15] <IFYLOFD> Paperwork.... goddammit. [00:09:18] <WookieeWinterz> lololo [00:09:19] *sweats* [00:09:21] <IFYLOFD> Fuck. Shit. Piss. [00:09:29] <WookieeWinterz> you should've voted spare on everything lolz [00:09:29] 69 is the sex number [00:09:30] <IFYLOFD> Scheduling: CC [00:09:36] <IFYLOFD> 69 is the Sex Number. [00:09:37] <IFYLOFD> ADJOURNED