Talk:Imperial Knight

Anyone notice that the clothing under the armor looks like Vaders? Stinkywookie 16:24, 12 June 2006 (UTC) Actually there seems to be more than a passing resemblance to Kir Kanos' outfit. If the Imperial Knights are as well-trained as he was, we might see some cool Sith/Jedi battles. Cudos to Ostrander for bringing back the Crimson Guard!Tocneppil 21:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I only noticed the arms. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 19:37, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * They can't use the pants, they're Cade's. Lonnyd 20:21, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe Cade killed one and took them from him... Yep, that's a modified Qui-Gon Jinn quote. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 20:56, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Cade pants'd an Imperial Knight? No wonder they look surly;)Tocneppil 08:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I hope he didn't do that... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 12:10, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah. . . . a death mark's not an easy thing to live with;)Tocneppil 18:04, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I just don't ever want to here "someone pants'd someone else" when talking about Star Wars anymore... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 19:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, well.
 * I guess so... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 22:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, what I'm saying is that the Imperial Knights would be able to go to extremes in combating the Sith, and the risk of becoming that which they fight against would be all the greater.Tocneppil 02:19, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I suppose so. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 12:17, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Ranks
Does any one know the organization of the Imperial Knights? Do they use the same ranks as the Jedi Knights or have their own ranks or use military style ranks? Or does no one know at this time and we will just have to wait for future issues of star wars legacy to find out?
 * This information hasn't been&mdash;and probably won't be&mdash;released. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 20:02, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Draco is addressed as a Master. Yrfeloran 22:46, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * He is? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 00:53, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Jedi are often addressed as master even if they are not of the Jedi Master rank.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|20px]] 00:56, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I mean, was he actually called "Master" in the comics? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 00:58, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think he has actually appeared in the comics yet.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|20px]] 01:02, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Doesn't he appear in the first one, though? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 01:03, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Issue 0 doesn't call him a master, though.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|20px]] 01:09, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, he appears in Broken 3, which some people have already bought...--Sauron18 01:15, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't have it, so I was going by the dramatis personae givin in its article.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|20px]] 01:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't have it either, but it's from descriptions. There are a few changes to be made, but we would need a spoiler tag I think.. --Sauron18 01:42, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I got the issue, and Roan Fel intoduces him as "Master Antares Draco, leader of my Imperial Knights." -LtNOWIS 01:53, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That really isn't enough to prove anything, though.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|20px]] 02:11, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * If he's Leader, 'Master' would be his rank, not simply an honorific.Tocneppil 02:31, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. If a leader is addresses as master, it does not mean he or she is of a rank called "master."--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|20px]] 03:53, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * But the assumption in this case (and granted that is all it is at this point) falls on the fact that the Imperial Knights have a ranking system similar to Jedi. If they were more military in structure, they'd have ranks like 'Commander' or 'General', and that would be addressed in an introduction by a head-of-state whose service said individual was in.Tocneppil 04:06, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That is more than likely. We just don't know what these ranks are as of now.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|20px]] 04:13, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Tocneppil, what exactly is the source for them having a ranking system similiar to that of the Jedi? Because "Master Antares Draco" isn't enough. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 11:14, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * As I stated above -its all assumption. The strongest 'fact' (if you want to call it a fact) comes from Roan Fel's quote, written in uppercase as per comic book word balloons: THIS IS MASTER ANTARES DRACO, LEADER OF MY IMPERIAL KNIGHTS. We don't know whether 'master' has a capital 'M'; whether it is an honorific or a title or a rank -all we have is an in-universe character speaking about another in-universe character, using a term we recognize as relating to an in-universe organization that in the past used a similar term to describe members that demonstrated similar skills to these Imperial Knights. We can assume, but we won't know exactly until Ostrander & co. tell us.Tocneppil 06:48, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 11:13, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Guys, in the latest issue, Draco is accompanied by another guy. Draco says "I am Master Draco.  This is Master Krieg.--141.213.185.30 22:26, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Now the question is, should we link it to "Jedi Master" or not? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 23:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Fully Trained Jedi
To quote Legacy 0, "The Imperial Knights are Fully trained Jedi. Their first loyalty is not to the Jedi order or the Force, But to the Empire as personified in the Emperor. Within the Jedi order, Imperial Jedi are considered to be Grey Jedi. While they are not dark side, it is thought that they do not truly follow the way of the Force. There is, however, no denying their discipline, their ability, or their power." So they're referred to in Legacy 0 as both Grey Jedi and Imperial Jedi, putting a little more weight behind the argument of Antares possibly being a 'Master', not just 'master'.Tocneppil 00:36, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Still not conclusive evidence.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|20px]] 00:38, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 02:32, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 'm just saying 's all. ;)Tocneppil 07:19, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, we need a source saying, "A fully-trained Jedi Master, Antares..." Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 12:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Are they Jedi that left the order to serve the empire, or the empire's own order? Xeran 19:15, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * If so, then technically they are Jedi of the New Order. Xeran 19:15, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, they could have been failed Padawans for all we know. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 19:57, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yea, well, look at Desann. He was a failed padawan, but he was able to hold his own against Luke. ;) Xepeyon 04:01, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Luke never actually fought Desann 9as far as i know), and katarn isn't as powerful as Luke. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 10:40, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Luke fights Desann one-on-one as Kyle infiltrates the Doomgiver in Jedi Outcast - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 10:41, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, Luke is a sissy in Jedi Outcast. If you don't tend to him, he'll be dead before you can blink and you will have to reload. - Sikon 11:40, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Good thing I didn't buy Jedi Outcast, then. ;) Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 12:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * He's also an idiot. Walked straight into my saber. Twerp. .  .  .  .  12:36, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * We should probably get off this subject now. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 22:20, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * They might just be padawans that quit the order and are mad at their master. Star DestroyerFleet (UTC)
 * That's just speculation, though. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 19:46, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Similarities to Vader's armor

 * Does anyone remember what the 'cloth' parts of Vader's armour were supposed to be? I seem to recall someone saying they served as some sort of 'impact padding'/'vacuum survival' function. I'm asking because maybe we could use the technical term (if there is one) rather than saying 'Vader-like pants' here.Tocneppil 11:06, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think that cloth was even meant to serve a function. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 14:38, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I wasn't sure either, but there was something ('Behind the Scenes', perhaps) from the design stages of ANH, that I remember, but can't recall the exact details or the source.Tocneppil 21:10, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, if the cloth has a function, and the Imperial Knights do use it, that would explain (spoiler alert) why Draco and Krieg ejected from their fighters and landed fine. Of course, they are Force users... Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 21:15, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Good call on that point, especially since Jan Duursema seems to favor some kind of "on screen" indicator whenever the Force is being used.Tocneppil 21:36, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, a little white light. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 21:49, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And those spheres -kinda distracting, if you ask me.Tocneppil 21:51, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I think it's a good way to show the Force&mdash;after all, there's really no other way to show it in comics. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 21:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * RE: the Vader connection, the RotS Visual Dictionary tags his trousers as "ribbed multi-ply trousers". Seems to be the same material the Knights (and Cade) are sporting - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:58, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Kwenn. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 23:16, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And I guess I was thinking of the initial design stage of the costume itself for Ep. IV -when McQuarrie had to make Vader capable of travelling through the vacuum of space between his Star Destroyer and Tantive IV.Tocneppil 21:56, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, yeah&mdash;I forgot about that. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 22:51, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Armour?
Should their Armor be added to the Armor page along with that of the Royal Guards? - Awar 17:12, 15 March 2007 (UTC).
 * I guess... &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:05, 15 March 2007 (UTC)