Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Log/2018 February 24

21:29:36<@exiledjedi> Okay, Welcome to Inq Meeting 88. 21:29:54<@ecks> KILL 21:29:56<@ecks> erm 21:30:12<@Imperators> I support the sentiment 21:30:13<@exiledjedi> Do you guys want to go ahead with the discussion before we start on the mound of articles we have? 21:30:20<@Toprawa> Sure 21:30:44<@exiledjedi> Okay, go ahead. 21:31:00<@Toprawa> Ok 21:31:35<@Toprawa>  One second 21:31:56<@Toprawa> Ok 21:32:06<@Toprawa>  We have 7 years or so worth of these queue pages sitting around http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Featured_articles/History 21:32:28<@Toprawa> All they do is suck time and resources away in the form of needing to update images, redirects, redlinks, etc. 21:32:46<@Toprawa>  These pages basically serve the exact same purpose of the FAN history page 21:33:02<@Toprawa> And these queue pages are not updated for recent edited anyways 21:33:17<@Toprawa> I say we just redirect all of them into some parent page 21:33:25<@Toprawa> In the unlikely event we need them again, we can always undo the redirect 21:33:28<@Toprawa> Thoughts? 21:33:42<@Toprawa> Queue page example, btw: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Featured_article_queue/January_18,_2010 21:33:51<@ecks> I think it would be nice if we subst:'d the per-day/week pages 21:34:02<@ecks> that way there would be one page only for every year 21:34:05<@Toprawa> Featured article queue already redirects to WP:FA, btw 21:34:09<@ecks> instead of 365/52 of them 21:34:06<@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Featured_article_queue 21:34:34<@ecks> that would allow you to see what the queue looked like but there would be one page only 21:34:37<@Toprawa> We'd still have to update links and whatnot, though 21:34:42<@exiledjedi> Yeah, I don't really see the point of these anymore honestly. 21:34:43<@Toprawa> That's more of my concern 21:34:52<@Toprawa> Not so much the existence of the pages 21:34:58<@ecks> the difference is you'd only have to do it on one page, though 21:35:03<@Toprawa> But why do it at all? 21:35:18<@ecks> because I like looking at history :P 21:35:17<@Toprawa> These pages don't serve any purpose other than to see what was on the Main Page, which is like, so what? 21:35:21<@ecks> but I'm fine either way 21:35:35<@ecks> here's my deal 21:35:39<@ecks> subst them before you redirect them 21:35:38<@Toprawa> We can create a list of what was on the Main Page if we're so keen on keeping that info 21:35:40<@Toprawa> We don't need the intros 21:35:48<@ecks> that way there's one revision that you can view for historical reasons 21:36:27<@Toprawa> I'm not sure I understand the technical advantage of that, forgive my ignorance 21:37:03<@ecks> essentially, if you just redirect them, there's no way to see what Wookieepedia:Featured articles/History/2015 looked like 21:37:13<@ecks> because even when viewing old revisions, you'd only see the transcluded redirects 21:37:25<@Toprawa> Right, that's what I'm saying, though -- we can create a list without needing to maintain these obsolete snapshots of article intros 21:37:29<@Toprawa> We don't need to see the queue page contents 21:37:44<@ecks> but if you subst: them first, and then start redirecting, there will exist one revision where you can see what Wookieepedia:Featured articles/History/2015 looked like 21:37:51<@ecks> the outcome is the same 21:38:03<@Toprawa> Will we not need to still update links and file pages? 21:38:12<@ecks> nope 21:38:17<@exiledjedi> I think what he is saying is to do this: 21:38:29<@exiledjedi> 1. Change all of the template links to use subst: 21:39:02<@exiledjedi> 2. Then change the page to remove the intros / take care of the queue pages. 21:39:04<@exiledjedi> Right? 21:39:10<@ecks> correct 21:39:11<@Toprawa> Fine 21:39:14<@Toprawa> Let's do it 21:39:19<@ecks> the outcome is the same: no links or file pages will need to be updated 21:39:34<@exiledjedi> I'm fine with doing that. 21:39:56<@Imperators> as am I 21:40:23<@ecks> it is settled, then 21:40:33<@exiledjedi> Anything else? 21:40:41<@ecks> aw shit, I ran out of Pepsi 21:40:39<@Toprawa> That's all I got 21:41:12<@exiledjedi> Okay, if there are not anymore discussion items, onto the articles from last meeting: 21:41:23<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Toprawa 21:41:27<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7380905 21:41:32<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Battle_of_Toprawa 21:41:53<@ecks> still seeing a fact tag 21:41:55<@ecks> eliminate 21:41:56<@exiledjedi> No change, kill. 21:42:06<@Toprawa> Kill 21:42:11<@exiledjedi> Just AL-BRT stuff 21:42:21<@Imperators> Tope will do his battle at some later point. Kill 21:42:25<@Toprawa> https://media.giphy.com/media/PQTalIfdMmcqk/giphy.gif 21:42:29<@ecks> heh 21:42:39<@Toprawa> Now it's definitely on the list 21:42:43<@exiledjedi> Battle of Toprawa killed. 21:42:59<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Davin_Fel 21:43:02<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7381106 21:43:07<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Davin_Fel 21:43:09<@exiledjedi> No change 21:43:15<@Toprawa> Kill 21:43:17<@exiledjedi> Kill 21:43:25<@ecks> kill 21:43:34<@Imperators> so many FAs gonna die 21:43:35<@Imperators> kill 21:43:44<@exiledjedi> Davin Fel killed. 21:43:49<@exiledjedi> I pity the person on paperwork. 21:43:55<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Soontir_Fel 21:44:00<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7380925 21:44:08<@ecks> please don't be me 21:44:05<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Soontir_Fel_(fourth_review) 21:44:14<@exiledjedi> No change 21:44:15<@exiledjedi> Kill 21:44:18<@Toprawa> Kill 21:44:31<@Imperators> kill 21:44:55<@ecks> kill 21:44:57<@exiledjedi> Soontir Fel killed. 21:45:02<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Syal_Antilles_Fel 21:45:07<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7381087 21:45:11<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Syal_Antilles_Fel 21:45:20<@exiledjedi> No change 21:45:21<@exiledjedi> Kill 21:45:22<@Imperators> kill 21:45:23<@Toprawa> Kill 21:45:29<@ecks> kill 21:45:36<@exiledjedi> Syal Antilles Fel killed. 21:45:42<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cassus_Fett 21:45:46<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7380914 21:45:52<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Cassus_Fett_(second_review) 21:45:55<@exiledjedi> No change 21:45:56<@Toprawa> Kill 21:45:57<@exiledjedi> Kill 21:46:06<@ecks> kill 21:46:06<@Imperators> kill 21:46:20<@exiledjedi> Cassus Fett killed. 21:46:25<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ecclessis_Figg/Legends 21:46:31<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7380898 21:46:36<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Ecclessis_Figg/Legends 21:46:41<@exiledjedi> No non-bot changes 21:46:52<@exiledjedi> Kill 21:46:55<@Imperators> kill 21:47:05<@ecks> kill 21:47:03<@Toprawa> Kill :D 21:47:17<@exiledjedi> The Legend of Ecclessis Figg killed. 21:47:32<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Fohargh 21:47:35<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7381098 21:47:39<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Fohargh 21:47:42<@exiledjedi> No change. 21:47:46<@exiledjedi> Kill 21:47:51<@Toprawa> Kill 21:47:55<@ecks> Kill 21:48:22<@Imperators> Defeat is bitter, Makurth. 21:48:28<@Imperators> kill 21:48:31<@exiledjedi> Fohargh killed. 21:48:36<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Force_phantom 21:48:39<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7380951 21:48:45<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Force_phantom 21:48:53<@exiledjedi> No change 21:48:55<@Toprawa> Kill 21:48:56<@exiledjedi> Kill 21:49:04<@Imperators> kill 21:49:14<@ecks> kill 21:49:18<@exiledjedi> Force phantom killed. 21:49:29<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bertroff_Hissa 21:49:34<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7381019 21:49:42<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Bertroff_Hissa_(second_review) 21:49:47<@exiledjedi> No not-bot changes. 21:49:49<@exiledjedi> Kill 21:49:50<@Imperators> kill 21:49:54<@ecks> kill 21:49:57<@Toprawa> Kill 21:50:13<@ecks> I'm annoyed by the fact that four years after Legends' demise, we're STILL killing Legends FAs 21:50:21<@exiledjedi> Bertroff Hissa killed. 21:50:43<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hoth_(Jedi_Lord) 21:50:47<@Toprawa> It's kind of shocking how much we still haven't mined from CSWE 21:51:01<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7381093 21:51:03<@Imperators> ecks thinks it's high time we started killing Canon FAs 21:51:04<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Hoth_(Jedi_Lord)_(third_review) 21:51:04<@Toprawa> We got all the subjects with entries, but not the contents 21:51:35<@exiledjedi> Somebody made some edits, but I don't think they have anything to do with the review. 21:51:44<@Imperators> nope 21:51:46<@Toprawa> Kill 21:51:47<@exiledjedi> Kill 21:51:52<@ecks> kill 21:51:53<@Imperators> kill 21:52:06<@Imperators> kill with a thought bomb 21:52:07<@exiledjedi> Hoth, the Jedi Lord killed. 21:52:19<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Independence 21:52:26<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7280508 21:52:34<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Independence_(second_review) 21:52:34<@Toprawa> I think the dates are good 21:52:43<@Toprawa> GT showed me everything 21:52:59<@exiledjedi> The one guy that still cares about his articles. 21:53:05<@ecks> I am satisfied 21:53:04<@Toprawa> After like six months, this one survived 21:53:08<@Toprawa> Well done, GT 21:53:12<@exiledjedi>  Keep. 21:53:15<@Toprawa> Keep 21:53:25<@ecks> Keep 21:53:27<@Imperators> keep 21:53:38<@exiledjedi> Independence kept. 21:53:54<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jerec 21:53:59<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7380940 21:54:04<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Jerec_(second_review) 21:54:06<@exiledjedi> No change. 21:54:07<@exiledjedi> Kill 21:54:10<@Imperators> kill 21:54:17<@Toprawa> Kill 21:54:48<@ecks> Kill 21:54:49<@exiledjedi> Jerec killed. 21:54:55<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kai_Justiss 21:55:03<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7380920 21:55:08<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Kai_Justiss 21:55:19<@exiledjedi> No non-bot changes. 21:55:21<@exiledjedi> Kill 21:55:22<@Toprawa> Kill 21:55:29<@ecks> kill 21:55:30<@Imperators> kill 21:55:42<@exiledjedi> Kai Justiss killed. 21:58:31<@ecks> he dead 22:01:41<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cal_Omas 22:01:43<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7380930 22:01:45<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Cal_Omas_(second_review) 22:01:46<@exiledjedi> No non-bot changes. 22:01:47<@Toprawa> Kill 22:01:47<@Imperators> kill 22:01:47<@exiledjedi> Kill 22:01:49<@Imperators> we better hurry up, the meeting is about to start soon 22:02:06<@exiledjedi> ecks? 22:02:13<@Toprawa> SE votes Kill if we want to keep moving 22:02:15<@exiledjedi> Okay, Cal Omas killed. 22:02:16<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/M%27iiyoom_Onith/Legends 22:02:17<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7381033 22:02:17<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/M%27iiyoom_Onith/Legends 22:02:17<@exiledjedi> No changes. 22:02:17<@exiledjedi> Kill 22:02:17<@Toprawa> Kill 22:02:17<@Imperators> kill 22:02:21<@Toprawa> SE votes Kill :P 22:02:22<@exiledjedi> M'iiyoom Onth killed. 22:02:23<@exiledjedi> *Onith 22:02:26<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canderous_Ordo 22:02:28<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7380956 22:02:28<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Canderous_Ordo_(second_review) 22:02:28<@exiledjedi> No changes. 22:02:28<@exiledjedi> Kill 22:02:28<@Imperators> kill 22:02:29<@Toprawa> Kill 22:02:31<@Toprawa> SE votes Kill :P 22:02:31<@Imperators> dat merciless SE 22:02:31<@exiledjedi>  Canderous Ordo killed. 22:02:31-NickServ- ecks2!~ecks@213-21-90-249.customer.t3.se has just authenticated as you (ecks) 22:02:34<@exiledjedi> Moving on to the new articles: 22:02:48<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Seyugi_Dervish 22:02:48<@exiledjedi> since they were mentioned in-universe by Darth Bane, who died in 980 BBY, it should be specified that the organization had been founded by that time. Imperators II(Talk) 19:32, February 11, 2018 (UTC) 22:03:17-!- ecks2 (~ecks@wookieepedia/administrator/pdpc.active.ecks) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius (acc: ecks) 22:03:18* ChanServ sets modes [#wookieepedia-inquisitorius +o ecks2] 22:03:20<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Seyugi_Dervish 22:03:20<@exiledjedi> since they were mentioned in-universe by Darth Bane, who died in 980 BBY, it should be specified that the organization had been founded by that time. Imperators II(Talk) 19:32, February 11, 2018 (UTC) 22:03:21<@exiledjedi> First new article, ecks. 22:03:21<@Toprawa> "Notable" is an OOU construct unless a source explicitly calls someone notable 22:03:24<@Toprawa> "Members" would suffice for the section title 22:03:30<@exiledjedi> The BTS has some full release dates that can't be sourced the way they currently are. 22:03:38<@ecks2> testing 22:03:40<@ecks2> ok, that's better 22:03:40<@exiledjedi> CSWECite needs to be removing in the Sources. 22:03:42<@ecks2> sorry, freenode died on me 22:03:46<@ecks2>  * Ping reply from ChanServ: 121.454 second(s) 22:03:49<@Toprawa> I'd rather see the History be four paragraphs (the first one needs a break) and subsection from there 22:04:17-!- ecks2 (~ecks@wookieepedia/administrator/pdpc.active.ecks) has left #wookieepedia-inquisitorius ("Leaving") 22:04:27<@ecks> ok, there we go, hopefully 22:04:29<@Toprawa> Cool 22:04:33<@Toprawa> Probe 22:04:37<@exiledjedi> Probe 22:04:38<@Imperators> probe 22:04:46<@ecks> probe 22:04:54<@exiledjedi> Seyugi Dervishes probed. 22:05:09<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Brianna 22:05:17<@exiledjedi> Heavy referencing cleanup needed. Citeweb needs to be added to any external link sources not already utilizing it; CSWECite needs to be implemented; IMDb is not a reliable source of information; Archive links needs to be added for external link refs. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:57, February 11, 2018 (UTC) 22:05:27<@Toprawa> Going along with all that, this is the reference being used for her birth year: http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/25061-age-of-the-characters/?p=184142#entry184142 22:05:30<@Toprawa> That needs to be explained 22:05:44<@Toprawa> No normal person will ever understand how the article is arriving at this BBY date 22:06:26<@ecks> the image caption punctuation disappoints me 22:06:53<@Toprawa> Infobox-exclusive info 22:07:18<@ecks> separate equipment section maybe? 22:07:20<@exiledjedi> Yeah 22:07:25<@ecks> she seems to have a unique staff 22:07:22<@Toprawa> Almost certainly 22:07:39<@Toprawa> Two-speaker quotes need to use Quote, not Dialogue 22:08:04<@ecks> what a piece of junk! --Inq, 2018 22:08:11<@Toprawa> ^ 22:08:13<@Toprawa> Probe 22:08:15<@exiledjedi> The BTS could use to be reworked. 22:08:17<@exiledjedi> Probe 22:08:24<@Imperators> oldest article on Wookieepedia tho 22:08:25<@Imperators> probe 22:08:37<@exiledjedi> For some reason 22:08:56<@ecks> probe 22:09:06<@exiledjedi> Brianna, the Last Handmaiden probed. 22:09:19<@ecks> rest in pepperoni 22:09:19<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Raana_Tey 22:09:29<@exiledjedi> External-link referencing needs to use appropriate citation templates. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:38, February 15, 2018 (UTC) 22:09:29<@Imperators> because Wookieepedia was originally the KOTOR Wiki 22:09:34<@Toprawa> Infobox-exclusive info 22:10:35<@Imperators> oh man, we're already ten minutes in. 22:10:36<@Imperators> probe 22:10:40<@Toprawa> Probe 22:10:46<@ecks> Probe 22:10:46<@exiledjedi> Probe 22:10:52<@exiledjedi> Raana Tey probed. 22:11:03<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sajar 22:11:08<@exiledjedi> 'd like to see the Biography subsectioned, with the addition of any images or quotes as available. The second Bio paragraph doesn't look good in Oasis stacked against that image. It becomes a 17-line paragraph, which should be able to be split up. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:38, February 15, 2018 (UTC) 22:11:12<@Toprawa> The first P/T paragraph is similarly ridiculous at 14 lines 22:11:45<@Toprawa> I kind of can't believe there aren't additional images that could be used for the Bio besides Tol Braga 22:12:06<@exiledjedi> I'm sure there are more images. 22:12:13<@Imperators> wow why no Bio subsections. probe 22:12:19<@Toprawa> Probe 22:12:23<@exiledjedi> Probe 22:12:29<@ecks> probe 22:12:32<@exiledjedi> Sajar probed. 22:12:34<@Toprawa> One more thing, also 22:12:36<@Toprawa> For Sajar 22:12:39<@Toprawa> Just to note on the review page 22:12:44<@ecks> and I just managed to close the Inqmoot page for the 88th time tonight 22:12:47<@Toprawa> Some dude was making a bunch of wording changes recently to the article 22:12:51<@Toprawa> Those should all be checked over 22:13:02<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Celeste_Morne 22:13:13<@exiledjedi> The external link-referencing should do a better job of employing the Citeweb template. Currently, those references are only using like three of that template's available parameters, when they could be using pretty much all of them. Redlink. Infobox-exclusive information. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:38, February 15, 2018 (UTC) 22:13:44<@Toprawa> General cleanup for redirects as well 22:13:54<@Toprawa> Look out for needed paragraph breaks 22:14:03<@Toprawa> The second para of Final days>Contact is insane 22:14:12<@Toprawa> 17 lines 22:14:17<@Toprawa> Others, too 22:14:27<@Toprawa> Full circle 1st para, 18 22:14:41<@Imperators> porg 22:14:51<@Toprawa> Probe 22:14:58<@exiledjedi> Probe 22:15:09<@ecks> why is there a scroll box for the references? 22:15:10<@ecks> Probe 22:15:15<@exiledjedi> Celeste Morne probed. 22:15:25<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Camp_Three_(Serroco) 22:15:35<@Imperators> for Celeste, there's also at least Template:Faraway to be implemented 22:15:37<@Imperators> sorry 22:16:00<@exiledjedi> I split the History into four paragraphs with a few breaks. There is enough space there now to divide it into two subsections with an additional quote and image. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:44, February 18, 2018 (UTC) 22:16:00<@exiledjedi> This is a GA? 22:16:10<@ecks> haha 22:16:12<@Toprawa> Oh, shit 22:16:13<@Toprawa> Sorry 22:16:15<@Toprawa> hah 22:16:17<@exiledjedi> This seems to be going around... 22:16:19<@Toprawa> Save it for the AC meeting :P 22:16:26<@exiledjedi> I did it again at the last EC meeting. 22:16:32<@ecks> THE BATMAN HAS NO JURISDICTION 22:16:29<@Imperators> this is like a reverse of what we did with Ord Antalaha 22:16:39<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mark_VII_experimental_prototype_assassin_droid 22:16:46<@exiledjedi> Poor linking throughout; infobox-exclusive information; LG compliance (PT should be Characteristics) plus expansion of that section to include physical appearance and traits; body could use an image; BTS should include some sort of release date. 1358 (Talk) 00:57, February 20, 2018 (UTC) 22:17:06<@ecks> the Bts in general is pretty bad 22:17:15<@exiledjedi> 3956 BBY date needs another source. 22:17:28<@Toprawa> Probe 22:17:37<@exiledjedi> Probe 22:17:49<@ecks> Probe 22:17:49<@Imperators> Mark VII experimental prototype uglyface. probe 22:17:59<@exiledjedi> MVIIEPAD probed. 22:18:12<@exiledjedi> Speaking of... 22:18:13<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ord_Antalaha 22:18:19<@Imperators> Ord Antalahahaha 22:18:24<@ecks> on a tangential note, we need an LG for droid class articles 22:18:27<@exiledjedi>     There seems to be some confusion in the article about when it was colonized and made a Ordnance/Regional Depot. The intro says it happened during the Clone Wars and the body says it happened during the Pius Dea Era. The CSWE states that it was colonized in the Clone Wars. It looks like there are probably some inconsistencies that need to be worked out. 22:18:27<@exiledjedi>     Reference 8 should use CSWECite. 22:18:27<@exiledjedi>     Infobox-exclusive information 22:18:27<@exiledjedi>     The BTS should be fleshed out more and be fully sourced.--Exiled Jedi (talk) 01:42, February 20, 2018 (UTC) 22:18:42<@ecks> references need dat linking 22:18:39<@Toprawa> Probe it, sucka 22:18:48<@exiledjedi> Probe 22:18:55<@ecks> probe 22:19:06<@Imperators> probe 22:19:16<@exiledjedi> Ord Antalalalalaha probed. 22:19:24<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Guard 22:19:43<@Toprawa> Look at this intro 22:19:44<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Imperial_Guard&diff=7352799&oldid=7293685 needs to be cleaned up. 22:19:51<@Toprawa> 18 lines 22:19:56<@Toprawa> That must look bad even in Monobook 22:20:06<@ecks> almost :P 22:20:08<@exiledjedi> Redirects everywhere 22:20:12<@ecks> Body could definitely use one or two more images 22:20:33<@Imperators> yes, images and para breaks 22:20:53<@Toprawa> Probe 22:21:02<@exiledjedi> Probe 22:21:14<@ecks> probe 22:21:11<@Imperators> should the members list in the infobox be alphabetized? 22:21:14<@Imperators> probe 22:21:33<@exiledjedi> Imperial Guard probed. 22:21:53<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Max_(bunny) 22:22:04<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Max_%28bunny%29&diff=7394826&oldid=7252426 22:22:08<@exiledjedi> is lazy sourcing. The previous information can't be sourced to that IMDB entry. Imperators II(Talk) 10:29, February 23, 2018 (UTC) 22:22:15<@exiledjedi> Response 22:22:15<@exiledjedi> The IMDB link was just for reader convenience. The information is actually self-sourcing as it comes from the credits in the games mentioned. Anyway, since it's not really relevant as Max isn't voiced in any Star Wars appearance, I've removed it entirely. Green Tentacle (Talk) 20:36, February 24, 2018 (UTC) 22:22:47<@Toprawa> That'll be fine...until March 3 22:23:00<@Toprawa> We can always come back :3 22:23:25<@ecks> spare, I suppose 22:23:25<@exiledjedi> Okay, spare then. 22:23:33<@Toprawa> Spare 22:23:38<@Toprawa> Remember it for us, Imperators 22:24:07<@Imperators> um 22:24:17<@Imperators>  Bio, 2nd sentence 22:24:21<@Imperators> "unidentified" 22:24:32<@Imperators> I thought that was OOU 22:24:46<@Toprawa> IIRC, the source literally calls him an "unidentified sentient dog" 22:24:53<@Toprawa> I think I recall going over this during the nomination 22:24:56<@ecks> XD 22:25:00<@Imperators> Cosmo :P 22:25:05<@Imperators> spare 22:25:28<@exiledjedi> Max spared. 22:25:28<@Imperators> take your Easter egg stuff outta here 22:25:40<@Toprawa> I could be wrong, though 22:25:42<@Toprawa> I'm trying to look 22:26:06<@Toprawa> Actually, I have this ref guide 22:26:09<@Toprawa> I can check it after the meeting 22:26:09<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE/D_Defender/Legends 22:26:09<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE/D_Defender/Legends?curid=1303&diff=7392625&oldid=7355911 22:26:15<@exiledjedi> is inconsistent with the article's body. Imperators II(Talk) 10:36, February 23, 2018 (UTC) 22:26:22<@exiledjedi> Response: 22:26:22<@exiledjedi> Double checked every TIE Defender mission in TIE Fighter and you can only use a tractor beam. Other beam weapons are available in the combat simulator in X-Wing Alliance but there's no evidence of them being fitted to an actual TIE Defender. I've therefore reverted that edit. Green Tentacle (Talk) 20:36, February 24, 2018 (UTC) 22:26:42<@ecks> The Inquisitorius accept your apology 22:26:43<@ecks> spare 22:26:54<@Toprawa> We could be mean and make GT go through the date refs again 22:27:03<@ecks> although some of those sections are /huge/ 22:27:08<@Imperators> I hate to say it, but missing backup link(s) 22:27:27<@Imperators> did we just list three reasons for a probe? 22:27:31<@Toprawa> The BTS needs to be self-sourced 22:27:33<@Toprawa> I mean 22:27:34<@Toprawa> sectioned* 22:27:57<@ecks> poor GT can't catch a break 22:28:15<@Toprawa> As an aside, I freaking hate two-column Notes and references 22:28:49<@Toprawa> Sorry, GT 22:28:52<@Toprawa>  Probe 22:29:01<@ecks> Probe 22:29:01<@exiledjedi> Probe 22:29:14<@Imperators> we love the article. therefore probe 22:29:27<@exiledjedi> TIE/D Defender probed. 22:29:37<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Form_VII/Legends 22:29:49<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Form_VII%2FLegends&diff=7401595&oldid=7377290 22:29:57<@exiledjedi> if correct, this should have grammar corrected and the info noted in the intro and infobox. Imperators II(Talk) 10:39, February 23, 2018 (UTC) 22:30:08<@Imperators> backup link(s) 22:30:15<@ecks> honestly I'd just revert that for being unsourced 22:30:40<@Toprawa> BBY dates need proper referencing 22:30:52<@Toprawa> BTS is a mess 22:30:58<@Toprawa> It's like a list of trivia 22:30:59<@exiledjedi> Okay, what is the logic for having Juyo and Vaapad in the same article? 22:31:00<@Imperators> infobox is messy, needs linking and alphabetizing/chronologizing 22:31:08<@exiledjedi> I've always wondered this. 22:31:13<@Toprawa> I have no idea, EJ 22:31:19<@Toprawa>  I'm unfamiliar with the subject matter 22:31:25<@ecks> some of the references have questionable formatting at best 22:31:32<@ecks> ↑ 20.0 20.1 20.2 20.3 Revenge of the Sith novelization 22:31:30<@exiledjedi> I just know Mace Windu created Vaapad. 22:31:39<@exiledjedi> But Juyo is in KOTOR II, I believe. 22:32:18<@exiledjedi> Vaapad should be mentioned here, but I think there should also be a separate article for it. 22:32:21<@Toprawa> We could leave that as a probation reason: Explain for us why they should be in the same article 22:32:32<@exiledjedi> Yeah. 22:32:56<@Imperators> non-canon appearances need to be formatted properly within Appearances 22:33:18<@Toprawa> I've never been a fan of the infobox's formatting like this: 22:33:28<@Toprawa> Juyo: 22:33:28<@Toprawa> Atris[1] 22:33:28<@Toprawa> Gnost-Dural[4] 22:33:36<@Toprawa> i.e., not referencing "Juyo" 22:33:41<@Toprawa> Same with Vaapad 22:34:03<@Imperators> wait, so the subject was retconned into Ep I and Ep II, but not into their adaptations? 22:34:13<@Imperators> riiiiight 22:34:15<@Toprawa> Good point 22:34:25<@Toprawa> That's a mess in itself 22:34:34<@Toprawa> Trying to figure all everything that needs to be listed there 22:34:39<@Toprawa> Good luck 22:34:47<@Toprawa> This is why you should never write a film subject :P 22:35:00<@Imperators> Qeimet. I mean, amen. 22:35:05<@Imperators> probe 22:35:05<@Toprawa> Good luck :P 22:35:07<@Toprawa> Probe 22:35:44<@exiledjedi> Probe 22:35:53<@ecks> probe 22:35:57<@exiledjedi> Form VII probed. 22:36:04<@Imperators> that's what we'll be adding to FAN in the Mofference: "... is not about a subject appearing in any of the films." 22:36:13<@ecks> man there's a ton of crap in the maintenance bin 22:36:15<@Toprawa> ^ 22:36:22<@exiledjedi> Okay, do we want to go on to the maintenance bin? 22:36:24<@exiledjedi> If so, how much? 22:36:31<@ecks> we've probed 11 articles 22:36:35<@ecks> how about 9 more 22:36:33<@Toprawa> Things that need updating 22:36:54<@Toprawa> Whatever EJ wants to do 22:37:00<@Toprawa>  He controls our destinies 22:37:07<@Imperators> lead us forth, EJ 22:37:12<@exiledjedi>  http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Erv_Lekauf?t=20170925204915 22:37:18<@exiledjedi> Update needed. 22:37:40<@Imperators> def a template for Ref 6 22:37:45<@ecks> cite web pls 22:37:44<@Toprawa> I'd rather see the ABY date explained in a ref note 22:37:49<@Toprawa> Since he's only indirectly mentioned in that book 22:38:04<@ecks> image caption punctuation 22:38:07<@Imperators> probably  for "In His Image" 22:38:11<@Toprawa> infobox-exclusive info 22:38:20<@ecks> hair and eye color should be in PT 22:38:20<@ecks> yeah 22:38:39<@ecks> probe 22:38:37<@Toprawa> Probe 22:38:45<@Imperators> probe 22:38:47<@exiledjedi> Probe 22:38:52<@exiledjedi> Erv Lekauf probed. 22:39:01<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/CT-96/298?t=20171009153435 22:39:04<@exiledjedi> Update needed. 22:39:25<@Imperators> template for Ref 3 22:39:37<@ecks> wouldn't mind another body image tbh 22:39:43<@exiledjedi> Does the novel really state when he was born? 22:39:44<@Toprawa> Infobox-exclusive info 22:39:55<@Toprawa> Request for it to be verified 22:40:18<@Imperators> def not, EJ 22:40:33<@ecks> let's probe dat shit 22:40:32<@exiledjedi> We should also verify that it mentions his height. 22:41:06<@Toprawa> Is the intro a little long for the Bio length? 22:41:10<@Toprawa> Just a little? 22:41:11<@exiledjedi> I think it is. 22:41:11<@Imperators> BTS talks about the height 22:41:19<@exiledjedi> But does it say 1.83 meters? 22:41:36<@exiledjedi> Looking at the BTS, it doesn't look like it. 22:42:00<@Imperators> to put it in one word? probe. 22:42:05<@exiledjedi> Probe 22:42:16<@ecks> probe 22:42:19<@Toprawa> probe 22:42:50<@exiledjedi> Jangotat probed. 22:43:01<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tarrin_Datch?t=20171022041057 22:43:06<@Toprawa> sigh 22:43:06<@exiledjedi> Update needed. 22:43:11<@exiledjedi> What is this? 22:43:11<@Toprawa> This is one of my very old FAs 22:43:24<@Toprawa> I've admittedly not done much to keep it maintained 22:43:42<@Toprawa> I leave it to this august body to do with it as they will 22:43:52<@exiledjedi> Content approaching. Star Wars: Episode V The Empire Strikes Back 22:44:00<@ecks> Insta-kill 22:44:01<@ecks> XD 22:44:04<@exiledjedi> What does he mean by this? 22:44:04<@Toprawa> I don't know 22:44:08<@Toprawa> I've been Hanzoed 22:44:13<@Imperators> heh 22:45:15<@Imperators> well, backup link(s), a couple citation templates, BTS sectioning/parabreaking 22:45:30<@Toprawa> Yeah, it's a mess 22:45:33<@Toprawa> It's pretty much 2008-era 22:45:46<@Toprawa> It needs a top-to-bottom cleanup 22:45:50<@ecks> that one's garbage! --Inq, 2018 22:45:49<@Toprawa> I'd rather just rewrite the thing from scratch 22:45:49<@Imperators> would be nice if the image layout/captioning was formatted for Oasis 22:46:04<@Imperators> intro parabreaking 22:46:13* @exiledjedi shakes his head at Imperators. 22:46:20<@Toprawa> Just probe it, because I'm not going to fix it for the next meeting 22:46:31<@ecks> probe 22:46:28<@Toprawa> We can kill it, and I can rewrite it whenever 22:46:32<@exiledjedi> Probe 22:46:34<@Toprawa> Probe 22:46:35<@Imperators> probe 22:46:49<@exiledjedi> Tarrin Batch probed. 22:46:49<@Toprawa> The next one is the same thing 22:46:56<@Imperators> Tope will get this one™ 22:47:03<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tenk_Lenso?t=20171022041217 22:47:14<@exiledjedi> Needs an update. 22:47:23* @exiledjedi waves on Imperators. 22:47:43<@Imperators> yeah, backup(s) 22:47:45<@Toprawa> Just probe it for general cleanup + whatever update there might be 22:47:54<@exiledjedi>  Probe 22:47:54<@Toprawa> Probe 22:47:59<@ecks> probe 22:47:56<@Imperators> probe 22:48:04<@exiledjedi> Tenk Lenso probed. 22:48:11<@Imperators> Content approaching. Hanzo-class 22:48:11<@exiledjedi> Tope: I've been waiting for years for someone to say that Lennox needs a redux / cleanup. 22:48:20<@Toprawa> Don't tell Hanzo :P 22:48:34<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hetton?t=20171119162001 22:48:39<@exiledjedi> Needs an update. 22:48:59<@Imperators> why is the infobox date bolded, I have no idea 22:49:08<@ecks> important date 22:49:22<@ecks> body could probably have an image or even two 22:49:20<@Toprawa> That's actually going to be one of my Mofference items 22:49:32<@exiledjedi> The BBY dates should be verified. 22:49:37<@Imperators> The BTS... 22:49:43<@exiledjedi> (955BrS) 22:49:59<@exiledjedi> I'll bet that isn't in the novel. 22:50:03<@exiledjedi> It would be weird if it was. 22:50:08<@ecks> the Bts seems pretty speculative 22:50:15<@ecks> if anything the claims need to be sourced 22:50:19<@ecks> otherwise it's just OR 22:50:16<@Toprawa> Just remove that BrS 22:50:20<@Toprawa> It's supposed to be a GrS date 22:50:27<@Toprawa> But it's totally unnecessary to list it here 22:50:34<@exiledjedi> Does that intro seem long to anyone else? 22:50:46<@ecks> a bit 22:50:51<@ecks> infobox-exclusive information 22:50:51<@Toprawa> Yeah, intro could probably be two paragraphs 22:50:57<@Toprawa> Linking in infobox 22:51:05<@Toprawa> Probe 22:51:20<@Imperators> in any case, the last sentence of the BTS should be cut 22:51:21<@Imperators> probe 22:51:26<@exiledjedi> Probe 22:51:38<@Imperators> also, why no images? 22:51:47<@ecks> 22:49:22<@ecks> body could probably have an image or even two 22:51:51<@ecks> you're late, old man 22:51:52<@ecks> Probe 22:51:54<@exiledjedi> Hetton probed. 22:51:54<@Imperators> I just want to repeat it :P 22:52:09<@exiledjedi> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/HK-47?t=20171119195342 22:52:12<@exiledjedi> Update needed. 22:52:14<@Toprawa> Oh, HK... 22:52:19<@Imperators> oh dear 22:52:19<@exiledjedi> For some reason, this thing is full protected. 22:52:23<@Toprawa> yes, hah 22:52:31<@ecks> wtf 22:52:28<@Toprawa> (Another Mofference item of mine) 22:52:28<@Imperators> because he's cool, probably. 22:52:37<@exiledjedi> This will be the last one btw. 22:52:42<@Imperators> aw 22:52:56<@Imperators>  ecks is on paperwork, we could do so much more 22:52:57<@Toprawa> The intro is ridiculous 22:53:00<@ecks> backup links etc etc 22:53:03<@ecks> am I? 22:53:02<@Toprawa> There's only six Bio sections 22:53:30<@ecks> the intro is Darth Caedus sized 22:53:41<@exiledjedi> The BTS is really messy. 22:54:07<@Toprawa> I question all of the body's BBY refs 22:54:11<@ecks> Abilities should probably be a subsection of Characteristics 22:54:17<@ecks> WP:LG allows no leeway here 22:54:15<@Toprawa> The intro's look solid 22:54:17<@Imperators> formatting non-canon Appearances blah blah 22:54:46<@ecks> 22:54:49<@Toprawa> Image formatting in general is terrible for Oasis 22:54:59<@Toprawa> Images need to go after Quotes, not before 22:55:02<@Imperators> some of the body date refs are good, but not all of them 22:55:42<@Toprawa> If anyone fixes all of this, I'll be impressed 22:55:45<@Toprawa> Then we can give them more probably 22:55:47<@Toprawa> Probe 22:55:52<@exiledjedi> It will have to be an admin right now. 22:55:53<@exiledjedi> Probe 22:55:58<@Imperators> probe 22:56:01<@ecks> probe 22:56:07<@exiledjedi> HK-47 probed. 22:56:09<@Imperators> ecks will fix it as part of paperwork 22:56:24<@exiledjedi> All right, that's all I think we will do this time. 22:56:30<@ecks> due to paperwork duty, I will be resigning from the Inq, effective immediately 22:56:34<@ecks> so long suckers 22:56:36<@exiledjedi> Meeting duties... 22:56:40<@Toprawa> Request denied 22:56:44<@Toprawa> You've been conscripted 22:57:20<@exiledjedi> ecks in on paperwork. 22:57:30<@ecks> must be a typo 22:57:27<@exiledjedi> We need to redo the duties. 22:57:31<@Imperators> lol, I even have more articles that were queued up for this meeting 22:57:32<@Toprawa> You meant ecks2 :P 22:57:34<@exiledjedi> But I've got to run. 22:57:41<@Toprawa> Thanks, EJ 22:57:44<@Imperators>  thanks 22:57:44<@Toprawa> I can redo it 22:57:44<@exiledjedi>  Could you take care of it for me? 22:57:49<@ecks> I can shuffle them as part of the paperwork 22:57:47<@exiledjedi> Thanks. 22:57:49<@Toprawa> Sure, ecks 22:58:04<@ecks> my name might not be on the renewed list due to technical reasons 22:58:04<@Imperators> roulette the shit out of duties 22:58:31<@Toprawa> Want me to just do it now for the log? 22:58:34<@Toprawa> I have it open 22:58:39<@ecks> sure 22:58:42<@Imperators> looks like it was a good call to start the meeting early 22:59:18<@Toprawa> Scheduling: 22:59:20<@Toprawa> Imperators II* 22:59:20<@Toprawa> Toprawa and Ralltiir* 22:59:20<@Toprawa> Xd1358* 22:59:20<@Toprawa> Supreme Emperor 22:59:22<@Toprawa> Exiledjedi* 22:59:30<@Toprawa> Paperwork: 22:59:30<@Toprawa> Xd1358* 22:59:30<@Toprawa> Exiledjedi* 22:59:30<@Toprawa> Toprawa and Ralltiir* 22:59:33<@Toprawa> Imperators II* 22:59:34<@Toprawa> Supreme Emperor