Forum:SH:Project Weapon: Wookieepedia's Second Barn-burner

Hello everyone. Welcome to Wookieepedia's second barn-burner. Following the highly successful first barn-burner dealing with Wookiees three months ago, this barn-burner has been decided by community vote to be about weapons. Yes people, if it can stab, shoot, stun, cut, fry, disintegrate, decimate, or burn (especially burn) someone, then you can write it for this barn-burner. Best of luck to everyone!

Purpose and overview
Like the previous barn-burner created by Menkooroo, this project is designed to be a community effort where every member can contribute it some fashion. The main purpose of this barn burner is to write and promote weapon articles to CA, GA, and FA status. Like in the previous barn-burner, if we can manage to pass seven or more FAs, we can maybe convince our friends in the Inquisitorius to hold a "Weapons Week" on the main page.

While the main focus of this barn-burner is to have fun writing and nominating weapon articles, participants can also have fun in other ways, including by reviewing other nominations. By reviewing other articles, you may learn different ideas and concepts on writing your own articles. Also, by helping review other Users' nominations, you may encourage other Users to review your own articles. I also encourage all participants to regularly log on to the IRC channel so we can exchange ideas and help coordinate the barn-burner. If you have any problems logging onto the IRC channel, please drop me or an Administrator a message on our talk pages so we can help you out.

The term "weapon" is very broad and general, and can include knives, swords, blasters, grenades, lightsabers, superlasers, and whole bunch of other stuff. It will be up to us to decide what exactly applies as a "weapon." For example, a stun baton was designed for nonlethal user, however, you can still use a stun baton by incapacitating someone, and we can still count it as a weapon. Also, just because something isn't a piece of technology or isn't mechanical doesn't mean it doesn't count as a weapon. For instance, Yuuzhan Vong use living organisms as weapons, and you can still do them as part of this barn-burner.

Another issue we will have to address is the fact that weapon articles have no Layout Guide to follow. Remember, follow the general Layout Guide when you're writing your articles. Prior promoted weapon articles usually have a Description and History section, but this doesn't apply for ever promoted weapon article, and this won't apply for all weapons articles we do. Don't be afraid to ask for ideas about how to set up a Layout for your articles.

The barn-burner starts August 1st, but feel free to start thinking of weapon articles to work on. You can now sign up for the project and let me know that you want to help lead this barn-burner to greatness! Kilson ( Let's have a chat ) 00:00, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Ideas for weapon projects
There are literally hundreds upon hundreds of weapon articles on the Wook, many of which are mere stubs. Those articles can be found at Category:Weapon stubs. However, searching through categories can be time consuming, and extremely boring, so here are a few suggestions that you may like for this barn-burner.

Personal weapons
The Wook has a number of weapons that were used by famous people in the Star Wars universe. These weapons are distinctive or advanced enough to deserve their own articles, many of which need some major work. Here are but a few:


 * Anakin Skywalker's first lightsaber (Arguably the most famous lightsaber of all time)
 * Anakin Skywalker's second lightsaber (This lightsaber wants to argue!)
 * Bacca's Ceremonial Blade (Can also count as a late entry in the last barn-burner)
 * Bane's Heart (lightsaber) (Can a weapon love?)
 * Cassus Fett's heavy blaster pistol (Ooh, Mandalorian)
 * Freedon Nadd's blaster (Yes, even Sith use blasters)
 * Grievance Striker (And cyborgs as well)
 * Scepter of Ragnos (Ima firin mah lazer)
 * Sifo-Dyas' lightsaber (Also the first lightsaber used by Grievous)

Little known superweapons
We all know about the Death Star, but what about the other superweapons. Most of these will likely need to be FAed:


 * Baradium fission device (Pocket Death Star 1)
 * Electro-proton bomb (It'll wake up a Godzilla ripoff)
 * Gravitic polarization beam (Pocket Death Star 2)
 * Infant of Shaa (No one say a dead baby joke)
 * Particle disintegrator warhead (According to Firefox, "disintergrator" isn't a word)
 * Shawken Device (Marvel Star Wars ftw)
 * Two-Wave Gravshock Device (Only one source required)

General weapons
As not all Users can write FAs on a regular basis, especially new Users, so I've found some smaller projects that participants mights want to do if they don't want to tackle the bigger FAs.

Blasters

 * A295 sniper rifle (YAY Renegade Squadron!)
 * Anti-riot tangle gun 7 (A nonlethal one)
 * B-100 power blaster (Be all you can be)
 * M-Web repeating blaster (Sounds familiar for some reason)
 * Scalphunter rifle (Scary name)
 * Zabrak blaster carbine (KotOR and KotOR II actually have a lot of great weapons you can do)

Melee weapons

 * B'hedda (Dug humor)
 * Confessor's whip (Wonder Woman's whip)
 * Dathomirian flail (Creepy)
 * Exchange negotiator (It'll make you talk)
 * Selonian glaive (The Selonian lightsaber)

Explosives

 * CL-3 antistarfighter cluster bomb (TNEGtWaT)
 * Firejelly (It's alive!)
 * K26 explosive antivehicle rocket (For the RPG lovers)
 * Smart mine (They're really stupid, actually)
 * Subsonic grenade (Right below sonic grenades)
 * Vape charge (No disintegration!)

Sign ups
If you want to participate in the barn-burner, simply just create a subsection with your name and list the different weapon articles you wish to work on. That way, we can avoid confusion and prevent two different Users from fighting over a weapon article.

Project leader and manager.


 * Fi'lang (GA)
 * BB-23 heavy blaster cannon (GA)
 * Planet Killer (GA)
 * Electro-dart (GA)
 * Graffiti-bomb (GA)

Finally, the impetus I need to get off my lazy ass and write another article that I've been meaning to write for a couple years... I hope.


 * Annihilator (superweapon) (probably GA)

Looking through my user page, I see I've stubbed a few weapons. Perhaps I should use this opportunity to flesh them out. Can't promise I'll get to all of these, but my short list includes:
 * Ewok battle wagon (likely FA)
 * Capturing stick (likely CA)
 * Icehead club (likely GA)
 * Incendiary packet (likely GA)
 * Mouth-operated gun (likely CA)
 * Squib battering ram (likely GA)
 * Tensor rifle (likely GA)


 * Imperial Knight lightsaber
 * Viral spore
 * Swiftcut foil

Tried and failed to participate last time (May wasn't a free month for me). Let's try again.
 * Infant of Shaa
 * Dathomirian flail
 * Savage Opress's spear
 * Fex-M3
 * Imperial bioweapons Project I71A
 * Electro-proton bomb

jSarek
I know at the very least I will have this article on deck:
 * J8Q-128 Finbat Missile

I didn't get in on the last barn-burner, so I'll be starting out slow here.
 * E-11 blaster pistol
 * GH-44 blaster
 * GH-22 blaster

Exiled Jedi
I'll try to do as many as I can before school starts.
 * Air pistol
 * "Dumb" Energy Quarrel
 * Janta knife
 * R-88 Suppressor riot rifle
 * Zersium rifle


 * EXP-7(a) Predator

In no particular order, my weapons of choice.
 * GRS-1 snare rifle (GA if I can get enough info)
 * Ammonia bomb (GA if I can get enough info)
 * Incremental-sequence bomb (Currently a GAN!)

I'll try, but my birthmonth ended up being bad timing for me. :)
 * Nuclear bomb
 * Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic weapons from the top. Anyone wanna star from the bottom?


 * Mandalorian heavy blaster
 * KOTOR weapons with suitably amusing descriptions.


 * K26 explosive antivehicle rocket (ended up editing this to a potential for CA)


 * Darksaber (a project of mine that's been laying shelved for almost a year now. It seems fitting to revive it now)

Current nominations
Once you have nominated a weapon article for status, please record your nomination in the appropriate field. It's the best way we can keep track of who nominated what, and which nominations still need reviews. Remember, try to help each other out by reviewing others' nominations.

Promoted articles
After a weapon article passes because of the barn-burner, please place it and its new status in the box below. Hopefully it will get as big as the last barn-burner's box!

Source requests
No one has every source, but if you want to nominate a weapon article, you need to check every applicable source. In these cases, please a message below asking for a weapon to be looked up in a source you do not have. Hopefully, someone will have the source, and can provide the necessary info. I also ask participants to regularly check this section so we can find out who needs what. It would be awesome if we can all help each other out.
 * Hmmm.. "D.C. used Dropbox to share these files".. --  Riffsyphon  1024 09:10, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm indeed. I've removed the link so we don't get ourselves in trouble. It's my view that Wookieepedia needs to tread lightly when it comes to file sharing of copyrighted content. What folks are doing in private messages and on IRC is their business, but the site itself should probably try to stay on LFL's good side... :) ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 13:02, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, I apologize. In hindsight, it probably wasn't a good idea to share the link. However, if anyone needs a CSWE entry, I will happily look it up for you. Kilson ( Let's have a chat ) 00:46, July 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries! :) ~ Savage BOB sig.png 04:18, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Battle wagon in EGTC
OK, here's one: My copy of The Essential Guide to Characters is inaccessible at the moment, but Google Books search tells me the Ewok battle wagon is mentioned in Wicket's entry. Can anyone check and tell me what it says, with the page number, preferably? Thanks! ~ Savage  04:18, July 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Page 184: He[Wicket] is the great-grandson of Ephram Warrick, a famous Ewok who fought the Duloks years earlier, using a weapon-laden War Wagon. <- Omicron (Leave a message at the BEEP! ) 14:58, July 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Great, much appreciated. :) ~ Savage BOB sig.png 15:55, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Ammonia bomb
Hoo boy, I'm gonna need a couple sources for this one... To make it easier, I don't necessarily need the actual entries; bullet points will do just fine. I've worked from those before without trouble and they're my preferred notes. Anywho, I need information (and page numbers) on "ammonia bomb" from the following: Much thanks! Hopefully, if given enough information, I can bump this one up to possible GAN.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 04:31, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * A Guide to the Star Wars Universe (Dunno what edition, article doesn't say)
 * Star Wars Encyclopedia (My copy was water-damaged)
 * SWE, p. 9: Ammonia bombs: Explosives that dispense ammonia in levels lethal to oxygen breathers, they are typically used by the ammonia-breathing Gands. Menkooroo 05:07, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * A Guide to the Star Wars Universe (Third Edition), pg 17: Typically used by the ammonia-breathing Gands, these explosives distribute lethal amounts of ammonia to the atmosphere of oxygen-rich worlds. Its sourced to Tales of the Bounty Hunters. <- Omicron (Leave a message at the BEEP! ) 11:58, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks again! Hm... doesn't seem that I have much to really elaborate on.  This one might be a CAN, but if I can, I'll try for GAN.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 02:20, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Janta knife
Could someone check and see if the Janta knife appear in any of these sources: Star Wars Galaxies: The Total Experience: Prima Official Game Guide, Star Wars Galaxies: An Empire Divided Quick Reference Guide, Star Wars Galaxies: An Empire Divided: Prima's Official Strategy Guide, or Star Wars Galaxies: Jump to Lightspeed: Prima Official Game Guide. I have no idea if the knife is in any of these sources, but I thought I should check to make sure.-- Exiled Jedi   (Greetings)  03:14, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

General discussion
If you have any other questions, comments, or ideas for the barn-burner, just place them right here.

Distinction between a weapon and a vehicle?
I'm thinking it might be fun to FA Ewok battle wagon, but I'm not sure it's a proper "weapon." What say all of you? Weapon, vehicle, or hybrid? Applicable to this barn burner or wait for a hypothetical "vehicles" BB? ~ Savage   02:30, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * I know We Are Not Wikipedia, but as a point of comparison, Wikipedia classifies siege engines, which the battlewagon seems to be a variant of, as "anti-fortification weapons." -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 02:37, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * I agree with Culator, I think we can count the battlewagon as a weapon. Kilson ( Let's have a chat ) 02:49, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * It is as I have said before, "Use the unorthodox." Think outside the box; Spear of midnight black is a Force power, but also a weapon. Somethings will fall into multiple categories, and some will not explicitly be identified as such. Go for it, Bob :)  —Tommy  9281  Saturday, July 23, 2011, 02:52 UTC 
 * Done. I'll make it my top priority for the BB. Unorthodox is right on the money, what with a bunch of teddy bears in a ramshackle cart with a battering ram. :) ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 03:12, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Perfect, thanks Bob. :) Kilson ( Let's have a chat ) 03:22, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * I cooked this up for use on a promoted article's talk page:




 * Whaddyall think? Menkooroo 07:59, July 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * I think it is perfect. Thanks so much Menk. Every article promoted by the barn-burner will have this template placed on its talk page. Kilson ( Let's have a chat ) 08:44, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool. It's now a real thing at Weapon barnburner. Just add to an article's talk page when it passes its nom. Menkooroo 15:15, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

A Combined Project?
Hey everyone I was just thinking that it would be great if several users could work together to tackle a weapon that has been in a lot of sources. Doing a multi-user featured article nomination on DL-44 heavy blaster pistol, EE-3 carbine rifle, E-11 blaster rifle, DH-17 blaster pistol, or maybe even the lightsaber article. Granted, it will be a huge amount of work, but I think that with around a half dozen users, with at least one being experienced in writing FAs, one of these articles could become a featured article. Some users could help find sources and appearances for the item and not even have to write the article if they wanted to do that. Just a thought, if anyone likes the idea, please leave a comment below that includes your thoughts on which article you think we should do.-- Exiled Jedi   (Greetings)  13:03, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it's a pretty good idea. There should be one large multi-user article to come out of this barn-burner. That would be something really great to accomplish. I could do some copy-editing at the very least. On which weapon to do, hmmm, I don't know yet. But, I'm leaning towards the lightsaber right off the top of my head, since it is the main weapon in Star Wars. But, what do some of the other users think? Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 15:30, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah the lightsaber would be great, but I can imagine the work that doing that article would take besides the endless updating the article would require afterwards due to lightsabers appearing in nearly every Star Wars work. That makes me think that one of the slightly less common (but still prevalent) items would be good to do. They would still require frequent updates, but if the article's writers all agreed to take of the article afterward if it became a Featured Article then it might be able to stay a featured article. Thanks for the input, Cal Jedi.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  16:24, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Like I say, I'm not sold yet on what weapon to do. I suppose it will depend on how many users help out. Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 17:02, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, if we are the only two who like the idea, I doubt that we can get any of these done.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  17:26, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * I hereby request that anyone who would be willing to help with this to sign there name below. If there is objections from admins or users, state them below. Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 19:30, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 19:30, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2)  Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  19:56, July 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * I like the fact that both of you want to contribute the project and have the enthusiasm to do something major. However, I must warn you doing an article like lightsaber or DL-44 would be very hard, time consuming, and would nearly be nearly impossible to finish. I don't recommend doing a project like that, but if you want to continue a discussion like this, feel free to open up another Senate Hall forum. Thank you. Kilson ( Let's have a chat ) 03:41, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, after seeing that the Wedge Antilles nomination has been going for over a year, I think that Kilson is right about not doing a big weapon nomination.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  11:57, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Confusion on weapon articles
Hey, I just wanted to know what is supposed to go in the model and type fields of the weapon infobox. The good article, DC-19 "Stealth" carbine, has the model designation in the model with the type field having blaster carbine in it. However, the blastsword, a featured article, has blastsword in the model field with the type field containing the type of damage it dealt. I would like to know which is the correct way to do it.-- Exiled Jedi   (Greetings)  22:25, July 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * The blastsword in an older FA, and some of what it says might not match up to more up-to-date weapon articles. DC-19 passed a few months ago, and has the correct version of the "Type" and "Model" fields. In the "Model" field, you should state what model of weapon it is DH-17 blaster pistol, then you put DH-17 in that field. In the "Type" field, you put what type of weapon it is. Again, for the DH-17 blaster pistol, you would put Blaster pistol. I hope that helps. Kilson ( Let's have a chat ) 00:14, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Shouldn't the blastsword article be changed then?-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  02:16, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yep, done. Kilson ( Let's have a chat ) 02:42, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

KOTOR II image request
Could someone get me an image of the Zersium rifle from KOTOR II that is more of a close up on the item, instead of the current image which is way too large.-- Exiled Jedi   (Greetings)  21:33, July 31, 2011 (UTC)

"Owners" field of the Weapon infobox
Currently, Icehead club is up at GAN, and there's a bit of confusion about how to treat the "Owners" field of Template:Weapon, the weapon infobox most of us are using for our barn burner articles. The question pertains to whether the field applies to all weapon articles, or only to articles about specific weapons. An example might be lightwhip (a type of weapon) and Lumiya's lightwhip (a specific example of that type of weapon). I think most of us would agree that Lumiya's lightwhip should list Lumiya in the "Owners" field of the infobox, but should the generic lightwhip article list her too as a known owner of a lightwhip? There are examples to support both takes on the field, with a few recently promoted articles, such as Knuckles of the katarn and Shikkar, supporting the all-inclusive option to include "owners" in articles on weapon types. And if we take the more inclusive route, what about articles on weapons that have hundreds of known users, like lightsaber? Hopefully this is a fair enough assessment of the issue. What say you folks? ~ Savage  03:21, August 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well I think that only individual weapons should have the owners listed. It makes a lot more sense to do this than to have a thousand lightsaber owners in the lightsaber infobox. -- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  03:48, August 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, you have to keep in mind that "lightsaber" is the most important, and famous, weapon in the Star Wars universe, and will thus have a large infobox. To compare it to a character, Luke Skywalker has a very large infobox because he is a major character. His apprentice field has about twenty different beings alone. If someone would ever do the lightsaber, God help them, they could probably generalize it by saying "Many Jedi" and "Many Sith" and then list some notable Jedi and Sith that used lightsabers. I myself prefer filling in the "Owners" field for the general weapon type because it helps identify the people who used the weapon. In general, this list shouldn't be too big for most weapons we do. A few other promoted weapons have the owners field filled in, including GSI-21D and Blastsword, as well as Cyber reaction system, which isn't an actual weapon but is a piece of technology, and would likely apply under this discussion. However, some other promoted general weapon types don't apply to this rule. This is just my opinion, and I could be wrong, so I hope to get a few more opinions to get a consensus. Kilson ( Let's have a chat ) 05:13, August 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, I did Cyber reaction system, hmm... I didn't know that I had done it that way. I've reconsidered my opinion; listing the owners of certain weapons would tell readers who used the weapon without having to read the entire article, which seems like it would be helpful.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  12:19, August 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * I tend to agree with Kilson on this one. I'd list Lumiya in the Owners field of Lightwhip, or Jedi, Sith, etc in the Owners field of lightsaber. I'm currently working on Imperial Knight lightsaber, and I've included "Imperial Knights" in the Owners field. Menkooroo 13:16, August 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think we should reserve the field for specific weapons and not for weapon types, simply because I feel it's folly to list named individuals for weapon types, and it seems odd to try to generalize who the owners were for thanks like blaster and spear, say. For the latter, would I list all known species that used spears? Or would I have to make up a gloss, like "Many primitive species"? That gives slightly more information than leaving the field blank, but it also has the disadvantage of using the pejorative "primitive" to describe an entire culture... At any rate, I can understand that this would be doable in some cases, but the broad principle seems off for weapon type articles. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 15:02, August 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * Just a followup: I noticed that the spear article currently lists "many primitive cultures" or somesuch in the "Cultures" field. How do we distinguish "Culture" from "Owners" in cases like this if we're only listing categories in the "Owners" field? ~ Savage BOB sig.png 15:10, August 2, 2011 (UTC)