Talk:88th Flight

What original research?
Someone apparently thinks that some original research has gone into the writing of this article and has added an template at the top of the page. Please list such issues here that they may be addressed. If nothing can be satisfactorily identified as original research by the end of this month, then I will remove the template. Thank you for your cooperation. &mdash; Gethralkin  Hyperwave 04:59, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Although the issue has not been addressed appropriately on this talk page as I had requested, I am answering objections made to me elsewhere. I have contacted one of the former developers of the game and he has verified the canonicity of Star Wars PocketModel TCG names of episodic material in TCW. Units depicted in the series are approved personally by George Lucas and Lucas Arts as evidenced here. Colors on squadrons of ships/droids are identifiers of there fleet/squadron/unit affiliations and such identification was specifically labelled (such as 88th Flight) in the SWPM game by Topps/WizKids, using names given by Lucas Arts. Therefore, Lucas Arts is the source of the names of the units. WizKids applied the names to the corresponding images provided by George Lucas and his production team for TCW. As the administrator and owner of the official site for the game, I personally have been privy to this information. However, in the interest of providing supporting evidence to disavow any accusation of self-citation or Original Research in this article or on this site wherever SWPM material is concerned, I have therefore produced confirmation from one of the developers for this purpose. Thank you. &mdash; Gethralkin  Hyperwave 20:08, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Gethralkin, you still have failed to produce official confirmation that the 88th Flight are the fighters seen in that particular episode. All you did was show that the material is canon. To quote from the link you posted: "As a play tester for the new sets, I can also verify that the names and colors used are canon". Nothing about whether or not they appear in the episode. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 20:31, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, the colors on the figures do match the fighters in the show, as can be seen from the links from the sources list. As the color schemes and the names attached to those markings were provided by LucasArts, I'd say that meets the burden of attribution. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 21:03, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. I can not imagine why one would say, on the one hand, that they agree with an official statement that appropriately marked units of a squadron are canon previews of actual squadrons in a series and, on the other hand, declare that there is "nothing [said] about whether or not they appear in the episode" by name. It sounds as if Cade's expectations are a bit unreasonable. As for wanting official confirmation, the Official Star Wars PocketModels website and the administration of that website is official. I had been an official envoy for the WizKids company and for the Star Wars PocketModels TCG (as well as other game lines) for several years before I was given an administrative position on the official site. The designation of being an official site for the game is not self-labeled, by the way. However, we were acknowledged as such by the Topps/WizKids company while under their contract with LucasArts. I only provided the statement of one of the developers so that this would be a non-issue. However, it appears that we are now going into a discussion of semantics that is superfluous to the point of the matter. This is the same type of argument as over the Ahsoka Tano Delta-B emblem being the Jedi insignia, and I feel that it is an argument designed to cause disruption, especially since the official statement that the Clone Wars game pieces were "based completely on the unfolding Clone Wars cartoon series... provided and approved prior to launch by Lucas Arts" was ignored in Cade's post above. &mdash; Gethralkin  Hyperwave 23:30, July 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Gethralkin, you are entirely misreading my "intentions". I'm simply asking that you get confirmation that the 88th Flight appears in that episode. No one here is on a crusade against your pocket models, so I would appreciate it if you adopted a less antagonistic tone.  I'm not debating the canonicity of the starfighters, simply whether we can definitely say they were in the episode.  Considering how easily you received your first answer, it's a simple matter. I'm not being disruptive, nor am I ignoring anything.  Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 02:17, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * As for the coloring, it's the CIS and the GAR. They're droids and clones, and most of them have the same color scheme.  That's not really a valid point, in my opinion.  Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 02:20, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's not true in the context of TCW. It's not like Star Wars: Clone Wars where they were all brown or any other source in which they were slate grey. In TCW, they have colors and stripes and distinctiveness, which has been acknowledged in an official capacity as marking their unit. This is not a coincidence. They have the same, distinctive stripes, across their bows. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 03:38, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I am not trying to be antagonistic about "[my] pocket models (sic)," as you call them, Cade. However, I will try to be less reactive at this point. As for what is being debated, the point&mdash;as Naruhina has mentioned&mdash;is that there are certain facts provided by LucasArts and accepted by this wiki community concerning visual information in the films and shows. These facts are being ignored (or unused in good faith) in the accusation of Original Research. I have provided burden of proof in that game pieces were direct previews of episodic material. I do not know how much plainer it can be stated, and I do not think it is appropriate to demand that the developer give more of his time to account for each and every unit when he was generous enough to give a statement collectively regarding their appearances in the series. &mdash; Gethralkin  Hyperwave 21:37, July 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, it is the end of the month and I have produced reliable official source material and adhered to the tenet of this wiki's policy of pointing out where the subject of this issue is not Original Research. Since the information in the article and the cited sources are "straightforward... logical deductions based on fully attributed data that neither change the significance of the data nor require additional assumptions beyond what is in the source," and since it is "possible for any reader without specialist knowledge to understand the deductions," this article does not fall under the definition of original thought. To wit, I have shown that the SWPMTCG establishes the names of the squadrons that are identifiable by their colors in the TCW series. I have provided citation to back up the fact that the squadrons in the game are named, designed and marked (to identify them distinctly) by LucasArts for promotional preview of episodic material that immediately followed release of game expansion distribution. It then so follows that if a unit with the unique blue-striped patterns painted on it are named 88th Flight in the game, then the squadron marked with the same unique blue-striped patterns in the series are coinciding and thus are identifiable as 88th Flight. Since there has not been any specific article details that have been highlighted as suspect in regards to Original Research (other than the generalization that the flight is not verbally identified in the series), or any further arguments that soundly contradict the facts, precedents, and sources brought forth and laid out in the article and on this talk page, I will now remove the OR template as agreed upon in the first post of this topic. I may bristle at times when challenged, but please do not take this personally. Even though the issue of Original Research does not in fact apply to this article, I, however, do appreciate that editors on this wiki are using their due diligence to ensure that Wookieepedia articles adhere to high standards of publication. Thank you for your hard work and watchful eyes. &mdash; Gethralkin  Hyperwave 19:52, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Clean up editing
I will be fixing the article to bring it up to standard according to MoS. If you have any suggestions to make it better, please post them here. Thank you. &mdash; Gethralkin  Hyperwave 19:59, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have finished editing the article as best I can (with the limited time that I have) and have removed the Inuse and Cleanup templates. &mdash; Gethralkin  Hyperwave 09:20, August 3, 2012 (UTC)