Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Squib (second nomination)


 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a featured article nomination that was successful. Please do not modify it.

Squib

 * Nominated by: ~ SavageBob 23:21, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Deep delving of multibig source pages has deliminated once-were-there problems of nottishness of littlenumbers and tiny words at bottom page. Once more, please reread again and leave here helpy words for raising Squibbish intelligence level throughout the world.

(5 Inqs/2 Users/7 Total)
Support
 * 1) Excellent article. It is very helpful and has everything I would ever need to know about Squibs. Togrutalover 20:40, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) Ahem:
 * "Its Distincted Farlstendoironess is at the shame timesh grandified and privileged by presenting a vote to this ultra-super-hyper-beyond-over-topnotch nomination, je dirais même plus, this koovy nomination. Something is glad to have reached an agreed voting deal that could satisfy all of the involved parts, and some not involved parts, but nonetheless, and nevertheless, and evertheless, it is regretful that a inquisitoriousnessless ballot is not nor cannot be decisive in this case concretion, whatever all that might or will sit or stand for. You bet!"
 * &mdash;Skippyfarlstendoiré (Skippy? Squibby?)src
 * --Skippy Farlstendoiro 08:13, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Cull Tremayne 07:49, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) --Eyrezer 20:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 3)  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  13:06, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) Green Tentacle (Talk) 17:11, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Big time Koovy Inq vote, you bet.  Cavalier One [[Image:FarStar Logo.jpg|20px]]( Squadron channel ) 12:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) A couple of very minor things I would normally fix myself :S There is a template for Star Wars, which you should format those references too, and re punctuation, it should go inside "quotation marks," rather than outside them "on the Wookieepedia." --Eyrezer 08:45, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) *Thanks for the comments. Not that I'm doubting you, but this is different from Wikipedia policy, which is to use "smart quoting"; if the punctuation is part of the original quotation, put it inside, but otherwise put it outside. Just so I can make sure I've read all of Wookieepedia's own style stuff, where is the Wookieepedia American-style quoting convention listed? ~ SavageBob 22:12, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) *I've done the blog thing. Will get to the quotes soon. ~ SavageBob 12:55, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, the quotes are fixed now too. ~ SavageBob 22:10, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) **Re punctuation style - I don't think there is a CT on it :p I've just always done it this way because we have opted for American spelling, and so presumed American punctuation too... --Eyrezer 14:12, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) Toprawa:
 * 3) * Source list needs to be in correct OOU publication date order. Prepare to order every source list you ever create like this, because I'm going to object to it every time. :) Toprawa and Ralltiir 02:45, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) **Oops; I thought I did... Can you tell me one that you think is out of place? Also, I'm not sure how to handle the Databank entries, since they have no "first posted" date. ~ SavageBob 22:12, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) **Scratch that. They were all frakked up, but they should be fixed now. There are a few where I can't find the month of release, though, so I hope that's OK. ~ SavageBob 12:55, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) Greetings, person. Farlstendoiro would like to pinpoint some specifics on your article so we can deal about the best way to reach an agreement. And then you can get one uservote.
 * 7) * Despite a minor hiccup after the rise of the Empire over the salvage of orbital wrecks,[68] What hiccup? I want to know more about this. Isn't the OS more specific?
 * 8) * Squibs freely mingled with species across the galaxy. So, the official policy of Wookieepedia about the "identity parades" of Ultimate Alien Anthology is that?: "At one moment in history, there was one Sluissi to the right of one Snivvian to the right of one Spiner to the right of one Squib"
 * 9) * Perhaps the most successful Squib scoundrels were Emala, Grees, and Sligh. Unless some in-universe source specifies that they were, it seems non-neutral point of view to me.
 * 10) * One of his players portrayed a Squib character named Smileredon-Verdont in a campaign Not exactly: Orrin Marko's character was named Smileredon-Verdonté while his canon version lacks the final -é because of W.E.G. failed to recognize the letter &mdash; so the RPG character and the canon character do not share name, and are thus different people, one of them not being canon. Similarly, another of the characters in Hidalgo's Rookies, Raleigh "Kestrel" Dawn, had a different nickname before entering the canon.
 * 11) * The Windu controversy. The BtS paragraph could use some information about the source Hidalgo used to name his Squib in 1993; now the text suggests that Winduarté's name was coincidentially re-used in The Phantom Menace.
 * 12) * Can I utter that your article is the kooviest thing I ever saw to this side of accented-lettered-name-ness? Gratitudexpresioness to person until a great extent. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 15:13, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 13) **I'll address your points in order:
 * 14) ***Unfortunately, the original source says little more than this. It's a headline in a HoloNet News article, but there's no associated article.
 * 15) ***I don't think there is any official policy except that images that appear in canon sources are considered canon. It's a good image of a Squib, but there's unfortunately no way to extricate it from behind the other aliens. And, besides, if staged promo shots like this are considered canon, then why not these UAA pics?
 * 16) ***I guess I don't find it POV. I'll think about this one for a bit.
 * 17) **** "Perhaps the most succesful [whatever]" is what I find POV'ish. If I say "Darth Rivan was perhaps the most powerful Lord of the Sith" in an article, that would be polemic. However, if WotC's Whatsover and the Whatsover Worlds includes the sentence "Rivan, maybe the strongest Sith Lord ever", then it would be canon.
 * 18) ***Well, Hidalgo seems to consider them the same character, so I was trying to save on words by not splitting hairs over the missing é. But I can add something if you think it makes the article better (my opinion is that it belongs in the character's article, not here).
 * 19) **** I'd rather see the é. Seriously, I always thought é was important to understand Squibs: It's in Macemillian's name and was in Smiley's, not only in one individual &mdash; as such, I think Hidalgo intended to establish a pattern. It's a letter that appears only in certain planets (also including Naboo, but precedent was set with Squibs). It's more a Latin than a Saxon letter, and Hidalgo has a Latin name (I don't know where he was born). I admit, its pronunciation varies greatly depending on the real-life language, and we cannot be sure about its Squib pronunciation, but if it were simply "e", then it wouldn't be accented.
 * 20) ***OK, I can add the Whills stuff.
 * 21) ***Gratitudally I accept and welcome your applause-words into my tufted sound-hearing earskins! ~ SavageBob 22:10, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 22) ***Update for Skippy: I've addressed your remaining three objections. Please have another look. It's nice to have someone so knowledgeable of the subject review the piece. It helps keep out the errors! Let me know what you think. ~ SavageBob 00:19, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 23) Eyrezer:
 * 24) * There is a small mention of Squibs in Operation:Elrood, page 18. --Eyrezer 07:43, 6 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 25) **Which, I should add, you already have :p
 * 26) * As a preliminary point, there is a bit of image congestion in the Squibs in the galaxy section. --Eyrezer 11:57, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 27) **Fixed. I took out the Emala/Grees/Sligh image. The artist seems to have just copied the Galaxy Guide 4 Squib three times, and the fur/eye colors don't match those in the stories in which those charactes appear. ~ SavageBob 13:41, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 28) ***The left/right alternation also needs a little tweek from the Institutions section on. --Eyrezer 22:00, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 29) ****I tweaked it a little. I know that, in theory, images should go right, left, right, left, etc., but from a layout standpoint, it's always a good idea to have images that are obviously oriented in one direction or another placed in such a way as to lead the reader's eye into the page, not away from it. That's why the portrait of Ebareebaveebeedee is currently bucking the left-right trend. The king's gaze leads the reader's eye inward, and helps the cohesion of the page. ~ SavageBob 22:04, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 30) *****Works for me. --Eyrezer 00:10, 27 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 31) * "This led to a common Squib greeting: rubbing a person's palm across the cheek fur. As Squibs often wore gloves, this conveyed more information than a simple handshake." I don't understand how the gloves affects the handshake. Wouldn't rubbing across the cheek convey more information than even a handshake without gloves?
 * 32) **If you shake hands, and you can taste with your fur, you can taste with your hands. If you (or the other person) wears gloves, though, all you taste is glove. Does that make sense? ~ SavageBob 12:10, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 33) * The one other thing I would say is that I think there should be a mention of the colonizing efforts in the history section, perhaps even more so than in the Squibs in the galaxy section. Other than that, it's good to go! --Eyrezer 02:48, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 34) **I've made a mention of it. How's that? ~ SavageBob 12:10, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 35) ***Struck. Although since you pointed out that it wasn't actually a colonising effort as such, my objection is less valid. You can remove the line from the history if you so wish. --Eyrezer 20:44, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 36) Chack Attack:
 * 37) * In the Bio, you mention something about the NJO era. That's OOU, so choose another term.
 * 38) **I've reworded it a bit. I'm not sure how else to refer to that era. Our New Jedi Order article seems to treat it as an in-universe term. ~ SavageBob 12:10, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 39) ***After discussion with a few users on IRC, it seems that it is an OOU term. I'll try to get some more opinion, but if you could, please try to change it, and I'll just let you know if NJO era turns out to be IU.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 01:23, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 40) ****Perhaps, "an idea that persisted well into the period of the Yuuzhan Vong War"? --Eyrezer 03:43, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 41) *****Is it "New Jedi Order," "New Jedi Order era," or both that are OOU? If the former is IU, the article should be good to go. If both are OOU, I'll change it to what Eyrezer suggests. ~ SavageBob 04:32, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 42) * Also, context on Kwilper.
 * 43) **There isn't much, but I've added a few more words. ~ SavageBob 12:10, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 44) *Got a bit more to read, but nice work so far.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 01:26, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 45) **I believe that I have addressed your concerns. Let me know if there's anything else. ~ SavageBob 12:10, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 46) Jinzler
 * 47) * Squeerie, for example, led a team on Almas c. 30 BBY and helped a group of Bail Organa's agents find the lost Jedi Master Kirlocca -The player characters in the Dawn of Defiance campaign are agents of Bail Organa, but not in the Living Force campaign, which this refers to, so I'm guessing that you've been a bit confused by them. I believe that for this particular assignment, the agents were working for Lanius Qel-Bertuk, so you could change it to that. Also, Squeerie doesn't actually help them to find Kirlocca and the other missing Jedi --Jinzler 22:46, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 48) **Thanks for the correction; I've fixed the name of the person they're working for (the modules are difficult to follow sometimes). But I disagree about Squeerie's help; he sells them or trades them important information and/or items, so that's help in my opinion. ~ SavageBob 12:10, 5 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 49) From the Chron-O-John of Green Tentacle:
 * 50) * Reign of Ebareebaveebeedee: "Their intelligence revealed that the Ugors had obtained a gravity well projector with which they were bringing order to their junk-filled home, the Paradise system." Ordering the junk? Or is this something else? Explain, please.
 * 51) * Squibs in the galaxy: Indomitable links to a disambig page. Fix it to the correct one.
 * 52) * Add A Guide to the Star Wars Universe to sources and specify which edition(s). I know it's in the 2nd, but can't check the 3rd. Green Tentacle (Talk) 20:18, 6 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 53) **I've addressed all of your concerns except for AGTTSWU 3rd ed. No one seems to own the book! I've put out a few feelers asking folks to check, but so far no luck. Please be patient; hopefully someone will respond soon. ~ SavageBob 01:41, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 54) **And, it's confirmed: They're in there. I've updated the article, and that should address all your concerns. ~ SavageBob 12:02, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

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