Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Log/2012 January 29

[19:00] <@CC7567> Meeting time [19:00] <@CC7567> Who's running? [19:00] <@eyrezer> I am [19:00] <@eyrezer> !inqsignal [19:00] <@Nuku-Nuku> CavalierOne! CC7567! Cylka! Darth_Culator! Eyrezer! GrandMoffTranner! GreenTentacle! Grunny! IFYLOFD! Jujiggum! Menkooroo! Tommy9281! Toprawa and/or Ralltiir! Xicer9! Xd1358! [19:00] <@Culator|Away> I should update that. [19:01] <@Menkooroo> That inq signal need to be updated. [19:01] * Culator|Away is now known as Darth_Culator [19:01] <@Menkooroo> heh [19:01] <@Darth_Culator> !hieverybody [19:01] <@Nuku-Nuku> Hello, CavalierOne, CC7567, ChanServ, Darth_Culator, eyrezer, Menkooroo, Nuku-Nuku, and Xd1358 !!! [19:01] * ecks (~ecks@wookieepedia/administrator/trekweb.Xd1358) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [19:01] * ChanServ sets mode: +o ecks [19:01] <@eyrezer> Welcome all. First up, Culator will update the !inqsignal... [19:01] * Toprawa (~chatzilla@wookieepedia/administrator/Toprawa) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [19:01] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Toprawa [19:01] * Nuku-Nuku sets mode: +o Toprawa [19:01] <@eyrezer> 1 Oss Wilum: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Oss_Wilum&action=historysubmit&diff=3844269&oldid=3754566 [19:01] <@Menkooroo> Right on time! [19:01] <@Menkooroo> No chage. [19:01] <@Toprawa> Flargleblargle [19:01] <@eyrezer> So far: Kill - Floyd, GT, Grunny, Jugs [19:02] <@eyrezer> Hey Tope [19:02] <@Toprawa> yo [19:02] <@Menkooroo> Here is the failed RFAN: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Re-featured_article_nominations/Oss_Wilum [19:02] <@Toprawa> Kill if no change [19:02] <@Darth_Culator> I put convenient diff links on the page. I think we should do that for every meeting page from now on. [19:02] <@eyrezer> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Oss_Wilum_(second_review) [19:02] <@Menkooroo> I agree. [19:02] <@eyrezer> I also vote kill. [19:02] <@Menkooroo> Me too. [19:02] <@CC7567> Kill [19:02] <@CavalierOne> Kill. [19:03] <@eyrezer> OK. Killed. [19:03] <@eyrezer> Next is... [19:03] <@eyrezer> Sate Pestage http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Sate_Pestage&action=historysubmit&diff=3876278&oldid=3784529 So far: Kill - Floyd, GT, Grunny, Jugs [19:03] <@CC7567> Kill [19:03] <@Toprawa> Kill [19:03] <@Menkooroo> Kill! Then speculate whether he actually died or not. [19:03] <@Darth_Culator> Kill. [19:03] <@Xd1358> Kill [19:03] <@eyrezer> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Sate_Pestage [19:03] <@eyrezer> Kill [19:03] <@CavalierOne> Kill [19:04] <@Darth_Culator> Then clone. Then kill again. [19:04] <@eyrezer> :P [19:04] <@eyrezer> Great. Sate killed. [19:04] <@eyrezer> Next... [19:04] <@eyrezer> Military Creation Act http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Military_Creation_Act&action=historysubmit&diff=3810394&oldid=3781779 [19:04] <@eyrezer> So far: Kill - Floyd, GT, Grunny, Jugs [19:04] <@Toprawa> Kill [19:04] <@Darth_Culator> Kill. [19:04] <@eyrezer> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Military_Creation_Act [19:04] <@Menkooroo> There doesn't seem to be any concrete proof that there's new info, [19:04] <@ecks> Kill [19:05] <@Menkooroo> I'm seeing a lot of "probably"s in that inq page. [19:05] <@Darth_Culator> Hmm. [19:05] <@Menkooroo> I don't think we should kill based on probably. [19:05] <@Darth_Culator> Extend. [19:05] <@Menkooroo> Extend and check the fact files. [19:05] <@CC7567> Even with the "probably"s, the objection was that the Fact Files be checked, and no one's done that yet [19:05] <@CavalierOne> Yeah, check the Fact Files! [19:05] * @ecks (~ecks@wookieepedia/administrator/trekweb.Xd1358) Quit (Quit: reconnect) [19:05] <@CavalierOne> Oh, wait ... [19:05] <@Menkooroo> I'll check them if we extend. [19:06] <@eyrezer> We should be able to get Borsk onto checking those, although it may take awhile [19:06] <@eyrezer> Cool. I also vote Extend then [19:06] <@Darth_Culator> Not everybody has the damn things. :P [19:06] <@CavalierOne> Extend [19:06] <@CavalierOne> Yeah, them lazy buggers with the FFs ... [19:06] <@CC7567> Extend with the understanding that it gets killed if no work's done by next time [19:06] * ecks (~ecks@wookieepedia/administrator/trekweb.Xd1358) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [19:06] * ChanServ sets mode: +o ecks [19:07] <@eyrezer> Cool. Military Creation Act extended. [19:07] <@Menkooroo> That sounds good. [19:07] <@eyrezer> Next... [19:07] <@eyrezer> Rango Tel [19:07] <@eyrezer> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Rango_Tel&action=historysubmit&diff=3878253&oldid=3783238 [19:07] <@Menkooroo> WHoo-hoo! [19:07] <@eyrezer> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Rango_Tel [19:07] <@Menkooroo> The only real additions were to the BTS. [19:07] <@eyrezer> So far: Keep - GT, Grunny, Jugs. Kill - Floyd [19:07] <@Menkooroo> Otherwise I just added links and removed speculation. [19:08] <@Toprawa> Keep [19:08] <@Menkooroo> I'll abstain since I did the updating. [19:08] <@eyrezer> Me too [19:08] <@ecks> Keep [19:08] <@CavalierOne> Keep [19:08] <@Darth_Culator> Keep [19:08] <@CC7567> Keep [19:08] <@eyrezer> 9 keeps to one kill. Rango Tel kept [19:08] <@eyrezer> Next... [19:08] <@eyrezer> Destruction of Taris [19:09] <@eyrezer> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Destruction_of_Taris [19:09] <@eyrezer> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Destruction_of_Taris&action=historysubmit&diff=3873102&oldid=3784718 [19:09] <@Toprawa> Keep, though there are a number of very basic formatting bits that need to be cleaned up [19:09] <@eyrezer> So far: Keep - Floyd, GT, Grunny, Jugs [19:09] <@Toprawa> I can handle most of them [19:09] <@Toprawa> I'll talk with Fiolli about the rest [19:09] <@CC7567> Keep [19:09] <@Menkooroo> Keep [19:09] <@eyrezer> Keep [19:09] <@Darth_Culator> Keep. [19:09] <@ecks> Keep [19:09] <@CavalierOne> Keep [19:10] <@eyrezer> Taris kept. [19:10] <@eyrezer> Next... [19:10] <@eyrezer> Form IV: Ataru [19:10] <@eyrezer> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Form_IV%3A_Ataru&action=historysubmit&diff=3850842&oldid=3785672 [19:10] <@eyrezer> So far: Keep - Floyd. Extend - GT, Grunny, Jugs [19:10] <@Menkooroo> This one was never actually marked for probation. [19:10] <@eyrezer> No INQ review page was created. [19:10] <@ecks> :s [19:10] <@eyrezer> I therefore vote extend [19:10] <@Menkooroo> Ditto. [19:10] <@Toprawa> In any event, I'd like to see the intro expanded. [19:11] <@Darth_Culator> Extend and create an Inq page. :P [19:11] <@Toprawa> Extend on that and whatever else there may have been originally [19:11] <@CC7567> Extend [19:11] <@eyrezer> then kill? :P [19:11] <@CavalierOne> Extend [19:11] <@eyrezer> Ok. Ataru extended. [19:11] <@eyrezer> Next... [19:11] <@eyrezer> Dath Caedus [19:12] <@eyrezer> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Darth_Caedus_(second_review) [19:12] <@eyrezer> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Darth_Caedus&action=historysubmit&diff=3877720&oldid=3824951 [19:12] <@eyrezer> So far: Keep - Floyd, GT, Grunny, Jugs [19:12] <@eyrezer> I vote keep [19:12] <@Menkooroo> One paragraph was added successfully. Keep that shit. [19:12] <@eyrezer> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Darth_Caedus_(second_review)_ [19:12] <@Darth_Culator> Abstain, since I did the update. But it was extremely minor. [19:12] <@CavalierOne> Keep. [19:13] <@CC7567> Keep [19:13] <@ecks> Keep [19:13] <@eyrezer> Tope or ecks? Want to weigh in with surplas votes? [19:13] <@eyrezer> surplus? [19:14] <@eyrezer> Anyway, kept. [19:14] <@eyrezer> Next is... [19:14] <@eyrezer> Oppo Rancisis [19:14] <@eyrezer> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Oppo_Rancisis [19:14] <@CC7567> Just finished the update about twenty minutes ago [19:14] <@Menkooroo> Keep the bearded one! [19:14] <@eyrezer> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Oppo_Rancisis&action=historysubmit&diff=3879629&oldid=3791669 [19:14] <@eyrezer> So far: Keep - Floyd, Grunny, Jugs. [19:14] <@Toprawa> Did you finish everything, CC? [19:15] <@CC7567> Yeah [19:15] <@eyrezer> Keep [19:15] <@CC7567> I added a Bts note about the issue too [19:15] <@ecks> Keep [19:15] <@Toprawa> Keep [19:16] <@CavalierOne> Keep. [19:16] <@Darth_Culator> Keep. [19:16] <@eyrezer> OK. Kept. [19:16] <@eyrezer> Next is... [19:16] <@eyrezer> Darth Bane [19:16] <@eyrezer> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Darth_Bane_(fourth_review) [19:16] <@eyrezer> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Darth_Bane&action=historysubmit&diff=3879522&oldid=3791672 [19:16] <@eyrezer> So far: Kill - Floyd, GT. Extend - Gruny, Jugs [19:16] <@Menkooroo> CC, do you know what the new info from the DVD is? [19:16] <@Toprawa> Heh [19:16] <@Toprawa> This article comes up every meeting [19:17] <@Menkooroo> I agree with extend. The update has gotta be a small one, and I'd hate to kill the article over this of all things. [19:17] <@CavalierOne> The clue is in the name, Tope :P [19:17] <@Toprawa> Indeed :P [19:17] <@CC7567> There wasn't any new info I could find, but then again I only have the DVD release [19:17] <@CC7567> The Blu-ray one, I assume, is what needs to be checked [19:17] <@CC7567> The actual scene (cut from the episode) was released there [19:17] <@Menkooroo> Ahhhh [19:17] <@Menkooroo> We can query whoever added the tag. [19:18] <@CC7567> Extend [19:18] <@CavalierOne> It might need a bigger update for Plagueis as well. [19:18] <@eyrezer> I also vote extend [19:18] <@CavalierOne> He's mentioned a fair bit, but not sure on new info. [19:18] <@CavalierOne> Extend [19:18] <@ecks> extend [19:18] <@Toprawa> Question. [19:18] <@eyrezer> There was an update tag on it for Book of the Sith, but I removed that as it is not out yet [19:18] <@Toprawa> Cal's comment: "   It is not inaccurate. New information, as well as the book itself, confirm that Bane did die and that Zannah did indeed defeat him.—Cal JediInfinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 21:33, January 27, 2012 (UTC) " [19:19] <@Menkooroo> Somebody was saying we should definitively say that he transferred his essence to Zannah. [19:19] <@Toprawa> Does that noob's comment cout for anything? [19:19] <@Toprawa> count* [19:19] <@Menkooroo> Cal was pointing out why we don't speculate. :D [19:19] <@CavalierOne> Nope. [19:19] <@Toprawa> Oh, ok [19:19] <@Toprawa> Cool [19:19] <@CavalierOne> Karphysn stated Zannah won outright. [19:19] <@Toprawa> I've never read this stuff :P [19:20] <@eyrezer> So... [19:20] <@CavalierOne> There was ambiguity, but he cleared it up on his site. [19:20] <@Menkooroo> So... extend? [19:20] <@Toprawa> I'm voting extend with the caveat that I will be happy to kill this next time if there is indeed new info. [19:20] <@Toprawa> There's no reason this stuff goes three months without checking [19:20] <@Toprawa> If someone can't tend to the article, then it gets removed. [19:20] <@Darth_Culator> Yes there is. Nobody wants to buy TCW crap. [19:20] <@eyrezer> 8 for extend. [19:20] <@eyrezer> Darth Bane is extended. [19:20] <@eyrezer> Next... [19:21] <@Toprawa> That's not a good enough reason to keep kicking the can down the road untils omeone does check it [19:21] <@eyrezer> Ibtisam [19:21] <@eyrezer> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Ibtisam [19:21] <@eyrezer> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Ibtisam&action=historysubmit&diff=3877558&oldid=3791674 [19:21] <@eyrezer> So far: Keep - Floyd, GT, Grunny, Jugs [19:21] <@CavalierOne> Keep [19:22] <@Menkooroo> Abstain. [19:22] <@Darth_Culator> Keep. [19:22] <@CC7567> Keep [19:22] <@Toprawa> Keep [19:22] <@eyrezer> Keep [19:22] <@ecks> Keep [19:22] <@eyrezer> Kept. [19:22] <@eyrezer> Next... [19:22] <@eyrezer> Jaina Solo [19:22] * @CC7567 (~chatzilla@wikia/CC7567) Quit (Changing host) [19:22] * CC7567 (~chatzilla@wookieepedia/administrator/CC7567) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [19:22] * pratchett.freenode.net sets mode: +o CC7567 [19:23] <@eyrezer> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Jaina_Solo_(fifth_review) [19:23] <@eyrezer> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Jaina_Solo_(fifth_review)_ [19:23] <@Menkooroo> Le keep. [19:23] <@eyrezer> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Jaina_Solo&action=historysubmit&diff=3877723&oldid=3791676 [19:23] <@eyrezer> So far: Keep - Floyd, GT, Grunny, Jugs [19:23] <@CavalierOne> Keep [19:23] <@eyrezer> I vote keep. [19:23] <@Darth_Culator> Keep. [19:24] <@CC7567> Keep [19:24] <@ecks> Keep [19:24] <@eyrezer> Tope? [19:24] <@Toprawa> Abstain [19:24] <@eyrezer> OK. Jaina kept. [19:25] <@eyrezer> Now onto the extended probe articles. [19:25] <@CavalierOne> What, no probe jokes? For shame! [19:25] <@eyrezer> CC-1119 - http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=CC-1119&action=historysubmit&diff=3867771&oldid=3784324 [19:25] <@eyrezer> So far: Keep - Floyd, GT, Grunny. Redux - Jugs [19:25] <@Menkooroo> Keep and strongly oppose reduxing. [19:25] <@Darth_Culator> Jaina Solo has been probed enough. [19:25] <@eyrezer> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/CC-1119 [19:26] <@Toprawa> Why did we extend this again? [19:26] <@CavalierOne> Question - why tcw retcon template? [19:26] <@Toprawa> Was this Jang's request? [19:26] <@Menkooroo> Every TCW article has the template because the timeline isn't known, I believe, [19:27] <@CC7567> Tope: yeah, I believe so [19:27] <@CavalierOne> Huh. But Appo never appeared outside the movies and later works. TCW hasn't overwritten his canon at all. [19:27] <@Menkooroo> CC, any wisdom on the template? [19:27] <@eyrezer> I am happy to vote keep [19:28] <@Darth_Culator> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/CC-1119#Appearances [19:28] <@CC7567> To be honest, TCWRetcon should only be for articles with specific canonical and timeline conflicts [19:28] <@Toprawa> Who is this Gideon Stryker character and why does it seem like he did a bang-up job of rewriting this entire article? :P [19:28] <@CC7567> tends to be overused, though [19:28] <@CavalierOne> That's what I was thinking, CC. [19:28] <@CC7567> I personally don't agree with using it here [19:28] <@CavalierOne> Appo shouldn't need the template. [19:28] <@Menkooroo> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=CC-1119&action=historysubmit&diff=3867771&oldid=3864327 - Gideon just added a link. [19:29] <@Toprawa> oh, my mistake [19:29] <@Menkooroo> The update is good. I vote keep and remove template. [19:29] <@Toprawa> I was looking at all the changes [19:29] <@CC7567> I gotta go guys; Tope has my vote [19:30] <@ecks> see ya [19:30] <@Menkooroo> Keep it real. [19:30] <@Toprawa> Keep, though it certainly qualifies for redux, based on our precedent [19:30] <@Toprawa> That's the question, IMO [19:30] <@Menkooroo> The precedent is way too low. [19:30] <@Menkooroo> 5000, that is. [19:30] <@CavalierOne> Per Tope. [19:30] <@Toprawa> It's undergone nearly 10,000 new bytes [19:30] <@Menkooroo> 5.000 would see us redux Drikl Lecersen every time a new FOTJ book was released. [19:30] * @CC7567 (~chatzilla@wookieepedia/administrator/CC7567) Quit (Quit: The Clone Is Out) [19:30] <@Darth_Culator> I'd say keep as-is. [19:31] <@Menkooroo> I strongly oppose reduxing based on four new paragraphs in the bio. [19:31] <@Darth_Culator> It's just a few TCW episodes and an equipment section. [19:31] <@Toprawa> I'm voting redux based on our precedent, which this exceeds by double. [19:31] <@Toprawa> If you want to change our precedent, you're welcome to bring it up at the end of the meeting [19:31] <@eyrezer> I'm also against redux. [19:31] <@Menkooroo> The redux page sits ignored every month... [19:32] <@Toprawa> That's not a reason to ignore the practice [19:32] <@eyrezer> Give me a moment to tally votes. [19:32] <@Darth_Culator> I think this is where the consensus is changing the precedent. [19:32] <@Toprawa> To ignore it completely? [19:32] <@Toprawa> Then you might as well just do away with the Redux page altogether [19:33] <@Menkooroo> I'd support that. [19:33] <@eyrezer> Keep: Floyd, GT, Grunny, Culator, Menk, Eyrezer. Redux: Jugs, Tope, CC, [19:33] <@Menkooroo> I'm not even sure the redux page should exist, as it was never CT'd. [19:33] <@Toprawa> 9_9 [19:33] <@Toprawa> Not every single thing has to be CT'd [19:33] <@Menkooroo> Something that large really should. [19:33] <@Toprawa> The Inq has domain over its own inner functionalityu [19:33] <@Toprawa> Not at all [19:33] <@Menkooroo> But, we don't, really [19:33] <@Toprawa> It falls under our own rights to review articles as we please [19:34] <@Toprawa> We've discussed this, and then some [19:34] <@eyrezer> Cav, have you voted? [19:34] <@Menkooroo> Two years ago, the founder sof the Inq came to that big SH thread and explicitly said that the Inqs don't have that power. [19:34] <@Menkooroo> If the RFAN page needed to be CT'd, why not redux? [19:34] <@Toprawa> Because RFAN is voted on by the community [19:34] <@Toprawa> Redux is not [19:34] <@CavalierOne> Eyre; I'm watching and waiting. Provisional keep, though, for the record. [19:34] <@Toprawa> Redux is simply an extension of internal meeting review [19:34] <@ecks> The Inq page explicitly states that "The Inquisitorius can strip articles off their status" [19:34] <@Toprawa> Where have you been, Menkooroo? [19:35] <@Toprawa> We have the ability to determine our own methods of reviewing articles [19:35] <@Menkooroo> That's a fair point. [19:35] <@Toprawa> We decided that some things were simply too time-consuming for meetings [19:35] <@Menkooroo> This is discussion for new business, anyway. :P [19:35] <@Toprawa> So we created the Redux page [19:35] <@Darth_Culator> I'm fine with the redux, I just think we've been sending things there for changes that are way too small. [19:35] <@Menkooroo> Per Culator. [19:36] <@CavalierOne> Then perhaps we have to redefine the Redux page. [19:36] <@Menkooroo> I'll bring this up again in new business if we want to move on now. [19:37] <@Darth_Culator> We do seem to have gone off on a tangent. [19:37] <@eyrezer> Ok. So keep or redux. [19:37] <@Menkooroo> Has everyone voted? [19:38] <@eyrezer> 7 for keep. We can discuss dedux further below I suggest. I don't have one for Ecks. [19:38] <@eyrezer> 3 for Redux. [19:38] <@ecks> Keep and redux [19:38] <@eyrezer> :P [19:38] <@ecks> per Tope a few lines above [19:39] <@Menkooroo> 7-4 for keep? [19:39] <@Toprawa> If you guys want to change the rules for redux and re-evaluate this, I'm fine [19:39] <@Toprawa> I'm voting redux based on our currently exiting practice [19:39] <@Toprawa> I don't think it's fair to other users who write these articles that we pick and choose [19:39] <@eyrezer> Shrug. With the redux, it will keep its FA status but need to be reconfirmed by reviewers right? [19:40] <@eyrezer> If that is the case, I'll chalk this up as a redux and move along. [19:40] <@Menkooroo> but... [19:40] <@Menkooroo> 7-4 for keep. [19:40] <@Toprawa> Redux basically means we should take the time to give a fresh review to the newly-added material [19:40] <@Toprawa> So we don't have to review the whole article over [19:40] <@eyrezer> In my mind, redux is a keep+ [19:40] <@Menkooroo> Ehhhhh [19:40] <@ecks> The only problem is that the redux is pretty neglected. :P [19:40] <@Menkooroo> I don't agree with that at all. [19:40] <@Menkooroo> Those who voted keep didn't vote redux. [19:41] <@Toprawa> Like I said, that's not a very good reason to just flaunt the practice, IMO [19:41] <@Toprawa> If you want to formally revise the practice, that's fine [19:41] <@Menkooroo> Can we do that now? [19:41] <@Toprawa> But until that happens, this is why I vote redux [19:41] <@eyrezer> Fair point Menk. I just want to keep moving onward! [19:41] <@Toprawa> Respecting our practices, in other words [19:42] <@Menkooroo> Seven people didn't vote redux. [19:42] <@Menkooroo> So I think consensus says keep and don't redux. [19:42] <@Toprawa> I'm not arguing with that. [19:42] <@Toprawa> I'm simply stating my opinion [19:42] <@Toprawa> You're welcome to move on with that consensus, Eyrezer [19:43] <@eyrezer> Cool. Keep - no redux. [19:43] <@eyrezer> Next... [19:43] <@eyrezer> CC-1138 [19:43] <@eyrezer> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/CC-1138 [19:43] <@eyrezer> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=CC-1138&action=historysubmit&diff=3878476&oldid=3752241 [19:43] <@eyrezer> So far: Keep - Floyd, GT, Grunny, Jugs [19:44] <@Menkooroo> An equipment section was added. Was that the only issue? [19:44] * Jang|Away (~JangFett@wookieepedia/JangFett) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [19:44] <@ecks> Jang wanted to spectate [19:44] <@Toprawa> Keep [19:44] <@Menkooroo> Welcome! [19:44] <@Menkooroo> If an equipment section was the only issue, keep. [19:45] <@CavalierOne> Keep [19:45] <@Darth_Culator> Keep [19:45] <@eyrezer> Keep [19:45] <@ecks> Keep [19:46] <@eyrezer> Kept. [19:46] <@eyrezer> Next... [19:46] <@eyrezer> We are now onto new articles up for probation. [19:46] <@eyrezer> First is Garik Loran [19:46] <@eyrezer> Here are my beefs: 2007-level of detail in the Yuuzhan Vong War section. A single sentence covering The Unifying Force isn't enough. A lot of missing context in this section and throughout the entire article to boot. Article alternates between "Face" and "Loran," should probably pick one. A lot of first names are used for other characters throughout. CSWE hasn't been checked for info or added to the so [19:47] <@eyrezer> Intro and P&T could use a lot of beefing. Menkooroo 04:21, January 14, 2012 (UTC) [19:47] <@Menkooroo> Probe him in the Face. [19:47] <@eyrezer> Probe: Floyd, GT, Grunny, Jugs [19:47] <@CavalierOne> Probe [19:47] <@Menkooroo> Ataru has said "Will address soon" on the RFAN for what it's worth. [19:47] <@Menkooroo> But that objection has been there for months. [19:47] <@ecks> probe [19:47] <@Toprawa> Probe [19:47] <@eyrezer> Probe [19:48] <@Darth_Culator> Probe. [19:48] <@eyrezer> Probed. [19:48] <@eyrezer> Next is... [19:49] <@eyrezer> Solomahal and Mosep Binneed. Reasons are: [19:49] <@eyrezer> "Unfortunately, as a result of some new info courtesy of Leland Chee, some featured articles need to be updated. See Forum:SH:More Mos Eisley Madness. I believe the FA's in question are just Solomahal and Mosep Binneed. Additionally, now that Mosep is confirmed to be in Return of the Jedi, he could potentially appear in adaptations too. Hanzo Hasashi 18:21, January 16, 2012 (UTC)" [19:49] <@CavalierOne> Probe [19:49] <@Menkooroo> Neither have been updated --- I think Bob was going to do it, but he had to get their respective species articles done first. So I vote probe. [19:49] <@eyrezer> Probe: Floyd, GT, Grunny, Jugs for both [19:49] <@Toprawa> Probe [19:49] <@eyrezer> probe both [19:49] <@ecks> probe [19:49] <@Darth_Culator> Probe and probe. [19:49] <@Toprawa> yeah, probe for both [19:49] <@eyrezer> Both probed, then. [19:50] <@eyrezer> Next is Shoaneb Culu. Reasons are: [19:50] <@eyrezer> Shoaneb Culu - latest edit requires sourcing plus probably cleanup. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:13, January 17, 2012 (UTC) [19:50] <@eyrezer> Which I think Menk has now done [19:50] <@Menkooroo> Purpilia's edit doesn't seem to have been anything more than changing first names to last names --- there were some unsourced things in the infobox, but I took care of them. [19:50] <@Toprawa> yeah, Menkooroo cleaned it up [19:50] <@Toprawa> No probe [19:50] <@Menkooroo> It was skin and hair colour. [19:50] <@eyrezer> Pre-cast votes are Probe: Floyd, GT, Grunny, Jugs [19:50] <@eyrezer> I say no probe [19:50] <@Menkooroo> Spare like a tire. [19:51] <@Darth_Culator> Although I'd /like/ to probe her, no probe. [19:51] <@CavalierOne> Keep. Unless TOR has any reference. [19:51] <@Darth_Culator> There, probe joke quote filled. [19:51] <@Darth_Culator> *quota [19:51] <@CavalierOne> Nice. [19:51] <@ecks> spare [19:51] <@eyrezer> OK. Culu spared. [19:51] <@CavalierOne> I was worried the probe joke was going to wait for Orrimaarko. [19:51] <@Menkooroo> Pruny, [19:51] <@eyrezer> Next is Bevel Lemelisk. Reasons are: [19:52] <@eyrezer> "Recent edit requires heavy cleanup at the very least. I wouldn't be opposed to outright reversion based on absolutist interpretation and assertion of material. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:09, January 19, 2012 (UTC)" [19:52] <@eyrezer> But "I've undone the edit. There was never really an inconsistency to be cleared up regarding Lemelisk --- canon still credits him as the designer of the Death Star's final product, and the contributions of Dooku and Sienar don't change that. There was some Death Star-related retconning done by the novel Death Star, but none of it concerned Lemelisk, as his canon was still OK. Menkooroo 03:42, January [19:52] <@Menkooroo> I reverted the edit. What do you guys think? [19:52] <@Toprawa> I'm very ok with that [19:52] <@eyrezer> Pre-cast votes are: Probe: Floyd. Spare: GT, Grunny, Jugs [19:52] <@CavalierOne> Same. Spare. [19:52] <@Toprawa> I was going to revert it myself originally, but thought I'd let people look at it first [19:52] <@Toprawa> No probe [19:52] <@eyrezer> Ditto [19:52] <@Darth_Culator> Skip it. [19:52] <@Menkooroo> Spare [19:52] <@ecks> spare [19:53] <@eyrezer> Spared. [19:53] <@eyrezer> Next is Orrimaarko. Reasons are: [19:53] <@eyrezer> this slipped my mind. Needs an update from The Movie Trilogy Sourcebook. He isn't mentioned specifically AFAIK, but there is some relevant info that I think pertains to all the strike team, and others shared my views. The Rebellion Era Sourcebook also has relevant info. If needed, I can give the info to somebody. Hanzo Hasashi 05:15, January 25, 2012 (UTC) [19:53] <@Menkooroo> The Movie Trilogy Sourcebook tells us that all members of Han's strike team also fought at Hoth. The short story "Night Attack" also has some info about what the strike team is up to while on Endor. [19:53] <@Menkooroo> So that's what needs updating specifically. [19:53] <@Toprawa> Definitely [19:53] <@eyrezer> Thanks, Menk. Useful specificity. [19:53] <@Toprawa> I looked at some of this stuff for his other strike team noms [19:54] <@Toprawa> Probe [19:54] <@Menkooroo> Probe his pruny face. [19:54] <@CavalierOne> Is Orrimaarko actually even specifically said to be part of the team? [19:54] <@eyrezer> Probe [19:54] <@Menkooroo> Leland said so in a blog post. [19:54] <@eyrezer> Pre-cast votes: Probe: GT, Grunny, Jugs [19:54] <@Menkooroo> New Essential Guide to Alien Species also says so, apparently. [19:54] <@CavalierOne> Is that the only reference? [19:55] <@Menkooroo> per the final paragraph of his bio. [19:55] <@Menkooroo> "Orrimaarko played a vital role in the ground portion of the battle" is sourced to the NEGAS. [19:55] <@ecks> Probe [19:56] <@eyrezer> Cav, you want to cast a vote or still thinking? [19:56] <@Darth_Culator> Probe. [19:56] <@CavalierOne> Source checking. [19:57] <@Menkooroo> Even if it's wrong, it'll need to be probed, as the article says that he is part of the strike team. :P [19:57] <@eyrezer> LOL. [19:57] <@CavalierOne> Probe then, but it needs to be checked. [19:57] <@eyrezer> I'm going to rule that as probed. [19:57] <@eyrezer> Last article is Adas: [19:58] <@eyrezer> This edit shows that an update is required. I'm not sure how much of an update or what the whole thing would be with that, but I think it's worth checking into at the very least.—Cal Jedi (Personal Comm Channel) 21:36, January 27, 2012 (UTC) [19:58] <@eyrezer> "I removed the update tag, as Book of Sith isn't scheduled to be released until February 10th. Menkooroo 02:34, January 28, 2012 (UTC)" [19:58] <@Menkooroo> Book of Sith is still two weeks away. Keep. [19:58] <@eyrezer> Spare: GT, Grunny, Jugs [19:58] <@eyrezer> I vote spare. [19:58] <@Darth_Culator> Skip it. [19:59] <@Toprawa> No probe [19:59] <@eyrezer> Spare [19:59] <@Menkooroo> By keep I meant spare. [19:59] <@CavalierOne> Spare. [20:00] <@ecks> spare [20:00] <@eyrezer> Ok. Spared. [20:00] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/FA_maintenance_issues [20:00] <@Toprawa> We've got a few things here [20:00] <@Toprawa> Not sure how much of that is TOR [20:01] <@eyrezer> Moving on to general business: A note from Menk on the proper archiving process for successful noms can be on the INQ meeting page. [20:01] <@eyrezer> Ah, bollucks [20:01] <@Toprawa> Sorry :P [20:01] <@CavalierOne> Actually, eyre, I want to address Bozhnee sector update tag you placed. [20:01] <@Toprawa> A lot of that is probably just new stuff anyway that we can bypass [20:01] <@Menkooroo> Also two review requests. [20:02] <@Menkooroo> Daultay Dofine and Raid on the Sith Embassy. [20:02] <@Menkooroo> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Wookieepedia:Inq/Raid_on_the_Sith_Embassy&t=20111128181540 and http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Wookieepedia:Inq/Daultay_Dofine&t=20111224171204 [20:02] <@Menkooroo> What should we look at first? [20:02] <@CavalierOne> Maintenance page is descending order [20:03] <@ecks> yeah [20:03] <@Menkooroo> Coolio. [20:03] <@Menkooroo> Let's all remember... [20:03] <@eyrezer> Ok - Midichlorian [20:03] <@Menkooroo> that Plagueis and Book of Sith are not yet a month old. [20:03] <@Toprawa> Anything that's new we can bypass for next meeting. [20:04] <@eyrezer> So that means too soon to probe for Midichlorian? [20:04] <@Toprawa> Yeah [20:04] <@eyrezer> Darth Bane has ben dealt with. [20:04] <@Menkooroo> But TOR is more than a month old now. [20:04] <@eyrezer> Wampa is TOR. [20:04] <@Toprawa> Trayus just put that update tag on last week [20:04] <@Toprawa> I'd like to get some more time to look into that, if that's no problem [20:04] <@ecks> seems fine to me [20:04] <@Menkooroo> I'm fine with that. [20:05] <@CavalierOne> Everything except Dash Rendar and Bozhnee sector, I think, since I want a word about that one [20:05] <@Toprawa> Thanks [20:05] <@Menkooroo> Dash is currently undergoing an update [20:05] <@Menkooroo> Can we give GT more time? [20:05] <@Toprawa> Sure [20:05] <@CavalierOne> I have no objections. [20:05] <@Menkooroo> A couple more articles have TOR update tags. [20:05] <@Toprawa> Anything that's in the works should have a pass [20:05] <@Toprawa> Unless it's been ignored for a long time [20:05] <@eyrezer> By the way, I found a mention of a wampa variant the other day. I should drop you a note on your talk page [20:05] <@Toprawa> Sure thing [20:06] <@Menkooroo> Should we probe the other ones that have TOR update tags? [20:06] <@Menkooroo> XoXaan has one. [20:06] <@Menkooroo> And Nomi. [20:06] <@ecks> I'd say it depends on when the tag was added [20:06] <@Toprawa> Trayus just added that one today :P [20:06] <@ecks> if it happened last week like wampa... [20:07] <@Toprawa> for XoXaan [20:07] <@Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=XoXaan&diff=3878670&oldid=3869477 [20:07] <@Menkooroo> Malak's update tag is for TOR: Revan and has been there for about two months I think [20:07] <@Menkooroo> I'm going to remove all of the Book of Sith update tags. [20:07] <@Menkooroo> Until it's actually released. [20:08] <@Menkooroo> Any objections to that? [20:08] <@eyrezer> Go for it [20:08] <@Toprawa> Do it [20:08] <@Toprawa> I dislike when people stick material into articles from stuff that hasn't even been released anyway [20:09] <@Toprawa> Nomi's tag was added on Jan 11. [20:09] <@Toprawa> I think we can still give time for that [20:09] <@CavalierOne> Especially all that Plagueis stuff since they could use the Amazon preview. [20:09] <@eyrezer> Tope - Shadow Games mentions something called a "bull wampa". Not much info, so ot sure how you want to handle it and whether wampa needs to mention it. [20:09] <@Menkooroo> I'm down for giving Nomi more time. [20:09] <@Toprawa> THere's a subsection in there for "subspecies" or whatever [20:09] <@Toprawa> I'm sure I can work it in [20:09] <@Toprawa> Thanks [20:10] <@Menkooroo> What about Bozhnee sector? [20:10] <@CavalierOne> Ah! [20:10] <@CavalierOne> I want a word on that :P [20:10] <@eyrezer> With TOR, the Codex is out, so we could require updates from that with more time for the actual gameplay to get out [20:10] <@CavalierOne> Eyre - Bozhee sector; you put the update tag on. I've already got info from TOR in the article, but I think anymore is unnecessary since it relates to Belsavis more than anything, and Bozhnee isn't even mentioned to the best of my knowledge. Considering Bozhnee might not have even been established during that time period, I think the article is good as-is. [20:10] <@Toprawa> Naga Sadow has an update tag from a book released last July - probe? [20:11] <@Menkooroo> Sadow is already on the redux page. :D [20:11] <@Toprawa> oh :P [20:11] <@eyrezer> There is a lot of action on Belsavis occurring in TOR from the looks of the Codex. [20:11] <@CavalierOne> Yes, but its not relevant to the sector. [20:11] <@ecks> alright, I'm going to bed. [20:11] <@ecks> see ya [20:11] <@eyrezer> Night [20:12] <@Toprawa> later, ecks [20:12] <@CavalierOne> Night [20:12] <@ecks> Tope has my vote [20:12] * @ecks (~ecks@wookieepedia/administrator/trekweb.Xd1358) Quit (Quit: leaving) [20:12] <@Toprawa> Armand Isard has an update tag from something released in December [20:12] <@Toprawa> I think we can probably probe on that [20:13] <@eyrezer> I disagree. You currently have the history starting at 700 BBY, but we know of significant activity in the area well before that. [20:14] <@CavalierOne> Belsavis's info should be on the Belsavis page. Apart from acknowledging that the Sith and the Republic fought over it, that should be it. And unless Bozhnee sector is explicitly stated, then then is no evidence that Bozhnee sector /exists/ during this time frame. [20:14] <@Toprawa> Everything else needing update is from new material. [20:14] <@eyrezer> Although, to be fair, I didn't see the detail that you had in the Description section [20:14] <@Menkooroo> Yeah, Isard should be probed [20:14] <@Toprawa> I'll wait until you guys are done :P [20:15] * Jang|Away (~JangFett@wookieepedia/JangFett) has left #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [20:15] <@Menkooroo> Everyone refresh their maintenance issues page, as I just took care of Baron Fel's fact tags. [20:15] <@CavalierOne> Fair enough, Is that info enough to warrant a removal of the tag? [20:15] <@Toprawa> Menk> Cool [20:16] <@eyrezer> Have you read through the Codex or are you avoiding spoilers? [20:16] <@Toprawa> I was going to say that we shouldn't even probe for that [20:16] <@Toprawa> I don't think titles of succession boxes need to be sourced, IMO [20:16] <@Toprawa> Though people seem to like to do so [20:16] <@Toprawa> If we're sourcing the data in the succession box, that kind of makes the title self-sourcing [20:16] <@CavalierOne> Codex, quest lines, spoilers not bothered with. If I get to play the game, it'll be a while yet. [20:16] <@Menkooroo> Yeah. It;s kind of like the name in the infobox. [20:16] <@Menkooroo> Which we don't source. [20:16] <@Toprawa> Yeah, exactly [20:17] <@eyrezer> Okay. We have clearly taken a different approach in how we are handling the history sections in Bozhnee and Atrivis, but perhaps we can talk this over outside the meeting [20:17] <@Menkooroo> Spare until you talk it over! [20:17] <@Menkooroo> :D [20:18] <@eyrezer> Sure. [20:18] <@eyrezer> Did you still want to discuss Dash Rendar, Menk? [20:18] <@Menkooroo> Are all the other fact tags from Plagueis? [20:18] <@Menkooroo> I think we voted spare on Rendar, as GT is working on it. [20:18] <@Menkooroo> not fact [20:18] <@Menkooroo> update tags [20:19] <@eyrezer> Okay. [20:19] <@Menkooroo> There are some other TOR ones [20:19] <@Menkooroo> HK-47 [20:19] <@Menkooroo> Chamma, Noab Hulis [20:19] <@Menkooroo> Are we giving every TOR update one more month? [20:19] <@Toprawa> I'm ok with that [20:19] <@eyrezer> I think that is reasonable [20:19] <@Menkooroo> Yeah. It takes a lot of time to play through. [20:19] <@Toprawa> It's not your basic update [20:20] <@Menkooroo> All the non-bolded articles on that list have update tags from either Plagueis or TOR, it looks like. [20:20] <@Toprawa> We should formally vote on Armand Isard, which seems to be the only thing worth probing [20:20] <@Menkooroo> Probe Isard. [20:20] <@Toprawa> Probe [20:20] <@Menkooroo> He is M. [20:21] <@CavalierOne> Probe [20:21] <@eyrezer> Probe [20:21] <@eyrezer> That is 5 if we count CC's proxy. Probed. [20:22] <@eyrezer> Is there other general business? [20:22] <@Menkooroo> Two review requests. [20:22] <@Menkooroo> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Wookieepedia:Inq/Daultay_Dofine&t=20111224171204 [20:22] <@Menkooroo> and http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Wookieepedia:Inq/Raid_on_the_Sith_Embassy&t=20111128181540 [20:22] <@Toprawa> Do Dofine first. [20:22] <@Toprawa> I agree with that. [20:23] <@Toprawa> Maybe it doesn't have to be HUGE, but there's probably something to be added to the BTS [20:23] <@Menkooroo> I agree with MJ. BTS should be longer. Sources section is also most likely very incomplete. [20:23] <@CavalierOne> [20:23] <@CavalierOne> BTS like that isn't that hard. [20:23] <@Menkooroo> True. [20:23] <@Menkooroo> I'll update it this week if we want to spare for now. [20:23] <@Menkooroo> And hunt for more sources. [20:24] <@Menkooroo> Or maybe it's worth a probe so I can do that? I dunno. [20:24] <@CavalierOne> Well, since its 4dots nom, I doubt he'll swing by to fix it anytime soon, so its up to you. [20:24] <@eyrezer> Spare [20:24] <@Menkooroo> I'll take care of it within the week. Vote how you will. :) [20:25] <@CavalierOne> Spare on that condition. [20:25] <@Toprawa> Fine, spare [20:25] <@Menkooroo> Spare. [20:27] <@eyrezer> Raid? [20:27] <@Menkooroo> Redirects are gone [20:27] <@Menkooroo> I just removed the etc [20:27] <@Menkooroo> It has been SOFIXED [20:27] <@Menkooroo> wait, I was edit conflicted!!!! [20:27] <@Toprawa> Sorry :P [20:27] <@Menkooroo> Damn! Beaten to it. :D [20:27] <@Menkooroo> And somebody already did the redirects. [20:27] <@Menkooroo> Spare. [20:27] <@Toprawa> Spare that [20:27] <@CavalierOne> Spare [20:28] <@eyrezer> Spare [20:29] <@eyrezer> Other business? [20:30] <@Toprawa> I have to go. Here are my final notes on remaining discussion things: Agree with Menkooroo; Hanzo: links are sofixits, if any article is so glaringly terrible, bring it to our attention and we'll decide whether to probe on that or not [20:30] <@Toprawa> CC is scheduling next meeting, GT is on this meeting's paperwork [20:30] <@Menkooroo> Yes, let's sofix bad linking. [20:30] <@Menkooroo> I have one more [20:30] <@Menkooroo> item [20:30] <@Menkooroo> But first, anyone have anything else on mine and Hanzo's things? [20:31] <@eyrezer> nope [20:31] <@CavalierOne> Nah. Agree with Tope on both issues [20:31] <@Menkooroo> OK, I have two more items. The first we've already discussed, so I say let's discuss no more and do a quick yes or no vote. [20:31] <@Menkooroo> Yes or no: Up the new-information redux requirement from 5,000 bytes to 15,000. [20:31] <@Menkooroo> I vote yes but won't begrudge anyone for voting no. ;) [20:32] <@Toprawa> If we have to up it, I'd be more comfortable with 10,000 [20:32] <@Menkooroo> A-ha! Compromise. I like it. [20:32] <@eyrezer> Generous of you, Menk. [20:32] <@Menkooroo> I vote yes for 10,000. [20:32] <@Toprawa> If we have to up it :P [20:32] <@Menkooroo> New vote is for ten thousand. [20:32] <@CavalierOne> 10,000 [20:32] <@Menkooroo> Is that a yes, Cav? [20:32] <@CavalierOne> 10,000 [20:33] <@CavalierOne> Its binary, [20:33] <@eyrezer> fine with me [20:33] <@Menkooroo> Tope and Culator? [20:33] <@Toprawa> Based on the disturbingly slow pace of the Redux at present, I'm ok with upping it to 10,000 [20:33] <@Menkooroo> OK, I have ONE more item: Let's all pay more attention to the redux. :P [20:33] <@Darth_Culator> 10,000 is much better.