Talk:Grievous/Archive2

Audiocast Not In-Universe
Should the audiocast section of the article really be considered In-Universe? In the audiocast himself he's saying Halloween phrases like "Trick or Treat" (since the purpose of the audiocast is to play it with your Halloween dioramas outside your door on Halloween). It also doesn't mention anything about the Holonet. This part should be added to Behind the Scenes.

Done and doneTIEPilot051999


 * "You fool! A real villain has no use for candy!" :) Erik Pflueger 06:34, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay... Admiral J. Nebulax 20:49, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * You see, Jack, that was from the Halloween audiocast, and I thought it was funny and uh... uhhh... Yeah. Erik Pflueger 21:14, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:15, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Images
This article is far too image-heavy, and too light on actual text. Can we get this sorted? QuentinGeorge 04:56, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * How about that? I think the problem was mainly that the images were bunched up together. I spread them out and got rid of two of them. --beeurd 13:57, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)

i like the new pictures. they need to stay Seriously though... ELEVEN images? ELEVEN? Spast, that's only two shy of Luke friggin' Skywalker, whose article is literally over TWICE the length of ol' Qymaen's here. Eight of Grievous's images are practically touching each other. And I spot four-- right off the bat, without needing to think twice about it-- that are completely redundant. I don't think there's enough text here to justify this much imagery. Take that for what it's worth. SM-716 05:11, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * They are staying. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:25, 15 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Grievous and Terak similarities?
Has anyone ever noticed the striking similarity of Grievous to Terak? I mean, similar voices, similar ways of death (both were burned alive from the inside due ro an attack. Adamwankenobi 13:44, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * They are similar. But was that needed, really? Admiral J. Nebulax 21:21, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * No, but I thought I might point out (for those who have never noticed) the strange similarities between the two. :) General Kenobi 08:41, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Image:GRIEVOUS SABER COLLECTION.jpg

 * What's wrong with it? It's not any less visible than the other pics... --Master Starkeiller 13:25, 9 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I can see two lightsabers, but the rest of the image is completely dark. Admiral J. Nebulax 13:27, 9 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I can see it clearly in both my computers, just checked it in the other one. Your screen might need some tweaking, I dunnow... Anyone else who can't see it? --Master Starkeiller 13:29, 9 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Never mind; it must have been a glare. Admiral J. Nebulax 13:30, 9 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Better now? I brightened it. --Master Starkeiller 19:54, 9 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * A million times better.
 * Excellent. Thank you, Starkeiller. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:43, 9 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem. --Master Starkeiller 22:11, 9 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I know I might be asking too many questions, but could you make it a tad bit lighter? It seems darker all of a sudden. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:37, 9 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * That's the lightest I can go. --Master Starkeiller 12:03, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, thank you anyway. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:32, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I hope this is better. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:21, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * No, it's actually worse. It's too bright and stands out in the article as an anomaly. --Master Starkeiller 13:36, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree; it is too bright. Admiral J. Nebulax 14:08, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Better now? -- Riffsyphon1024 03:44, 24 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Much better. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:37, 24 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Mesa agree. Much-much better! --Master Starkeiller 14:29, 24 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Please don't act like Jar Jar, Starkeiller. Admiral J. Nebulax 15:38, 24 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Mesa no acten like Jar-Jar. Mesa spake like Jar-Jar. Mooie-mooie, mesa loven takin' like Jar-Jar! --Master Starkeiller 15:44, 24 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Just... stop. Please. Admiral J. Nebulax 15:47, 24 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Why, you got something against Gunganspeak? Jar-Jar is fun when he speaks, he's only annoying when he acts like Goofy. --Master Starkeiller 15:49, 24 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't have anything against Gunganspeak; just a whole lot against Jar-Jar. But this is no place for a discussion about a Gungan. If you want to continue this, post on my Talk page. Admiral J. Nebulax 15:52, 24 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Okie-dokie. http://forums.starwars.com/share/img/emoticons/devil.gif --Master Starkeiller 15:56, 24 Dec 2005 (UTC)

The Kalee
Does anybody know if theres' pictures of the Kaleesh without masks? I'm curious about what General Grievous looks like without his cybernetic body or his warlord mask.......-Stoll 7234

No such pictures exist, to my knowledge. - Angel Blue 451 04:30, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Grievous Resurrected...
Hey,why can't I make it where grievous can be resurrected? I mean,There isn't no law against fanon,so why can't I add something without you people deleting it,huh? -Stoll 7234
 * Actually, there is a law against fanon here. Unless it is canon, don't post it here. -- SFH 02:00, 24 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Image
--DannyBoy7783 01:52, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC) Hi all, I just uploaded this image, it's San Hill transforming Grievous. It's from The Eyes of Revolution. Wouldn't this be great to add?--Themelle444 16:31, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Awesomne pic, just added it. --Master Starkeiller 17:46, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, although I had to move it a bit, since the one before it and this one were side-by-side. Admiral J. Nebulax 17:48, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Sifo-Dyas Blood Transfusion
Grievous getting a transfusion of blood from a Jedi would've made him Force-sensitive (which we know to be untrue). The information comes from a source that is widely acknowledged as day dreaming with pictures (Visionaries). Should it really be in the Biography section? I say it should be relegated to the Behind the Scenes part of the article. --AdmThrawn 01:35, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Just because he got Sifo-Dyas' blood doesn't mean he became Force-sensitive. However, having only a rudimentary knowledge of the biology of the humans in the GFFA, I cannot say anything for certain. -- SFH 01:39, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Where does it say that force sensativity is held in the blood cells?--DannyBoy7783 01:41, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * To my knowledge, everything in Visionaries except Old Wounds is considered to be canon. And if getting Force-sensitivity were as easy as a blood transfusion, I think we'd be seeing a lot more make-your-own-Jedi running around.  - Lord Hydronium 01:44, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * First off, an reptilian alien getting a blood transfusion from a human is ridiculous. Secondly, getting a blood transfusion from a Jedi would make you Force-sensitive. Midi-chlorians. Plus, that is excatly what the comic is suggesting. That the blood transfusion is what is responsible for Grievous' abilities (not his cyborg body). --AdmThrawn 01:45, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Go read the article on midichlorians AdmThrawn, it's in all the cells, not just blood cells. We don't know how force sensative Syfo-Dias was to begin with but it is likely that his blood alone wouldn't provide enough midichrlorians for Grievous to become force sensative. Also, the connection that his abilities are from the blood is vague at best. I have Visionaries and that story barely makes that connection. They simply say they are giving him the blood. They never say why. You are assuming.--DannyBoy7783 01:52, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * AdmThrawn, considering Humans don't give blood to aliens in real-life, we can't tell what would happen in Star Wars. Perhaps Grievous's blood is compatable with Human blood. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:52, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Either way, Abel G. is going to explain it in his new Grievous story. It said so on his blog, so this is not worth arguing over.--Xilentshadow900 14:12, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Until then, however, we argue. ;) Admiral J. Nebulax 14:45, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)

N-K Necrosis and Grievous's Canonical Death
Say, was the Droid "Necrosis" really a droid ? If he is, then why is he listed under Cyborgs? Also about Grievous, I heard on Wikipedia that SuperShadow stated on his website that Grievous was executed by Darth Vader during Palpatine's purge while we can clearly see Obi-Wan Kenobi killed Grievous in the Episode III movie...So,Who is Supershadow really trying to fool ? -Stoll7234
 * SuperShadow is an infamous BSer. As a rule of thumb, don't believe ANYTHING he says, unless it's also stated by a reliable official source. JimRaynor55 01:52, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

Real Name

 * Grievous' original name was Qymaen jai Sheelal. See here. QuentinGeorge 00:01, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, I think I got all the redirects done...That was more redirects than I ever thought possible. Oh, Imperialles...WAIT FOR CONSENSUS NEXT TIME. -- SFH 00:22, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, consensus. Right. Sorry! :P --Imp 00:22, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, it's ok. If Thrawn is at the Chiss' real name, this should be too. QuentinGeorge 00:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow. I never thought his full name would be so... different. Of course, "Grievous" isn't exactly an actual name... Admiral J. Nebulax 01:17, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * They had to make sure it was completely different from whatever SuperShadow was calling him, I suppose. 8) &mdash; Silly Dan 01:19, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Good point. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:20, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Should the infobox title say "Qymaen jai Sheelal", then? Or going with the Thrawn pattern, "Qymaen jai Sheelal (Grievous)"? - Lord Hydronium 02:55, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * His transformation is pretty extensive, more so than Anakin's tranformation into Vader... -LtNOWIS 05:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like someone went ahead and changed it. Does anyone else think "Grievous" should be at least mentioned there, like "Qymaen jai Sheelal, aka Grievous"?  I can picture someone arriving here, seeing the infobox first and thinking, "Wait, isn't that a picture of Grievous"?  Granted, it is in the first sentence, but the infobox title is even more prominent. - Lord Hydronium 06:07, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. QuentinGeorge 06:19, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I put it in as "Qymaen jai Sheelal, the feared General Grievous". If someone wants to reword it, they can, but I just wanted you to know it's in there. -- SFH 06:23, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I changed it to display as "Qymaen jai Sheelal (General Grievous)". Adamwankenobi 06:24, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Can we replace that awful CG infobox picture with the pre-borg picture from Eyes of Revolution? --Imp 09:08, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Adamwankenobi 19:39, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:10, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


 * The split between Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker is not only a function of the vast difference between the two, but also a product of the sheer amount of information available on the two. Sheelal/Grievous wouldn't warrant a split, IMO. --SparqMan 00:40, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm still of the opinion that we should merge those two, but oh well. QuentinGeorge 00:41, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Grievous' Kaleesh Elite
They're the Izvoshra. http://boards.theforce.net/literature/b10003/21238198/p13/?320 Rune Haako 22:25, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * If this is correct, then it can be added. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:21, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Quote from "Clone Wars"
"Jedi. you are surrounded, your armies decimated. Make peace with the force now, for this is your final hour. But know that I, General Grievous, am not completely without mercy. I will grant you a warrior's death. Prepare."

- General Grievous to Ki-Adi Mundi and several other Jedi during the Battle of Hypori

Can we add this in somehow? Kalas Grengar 09:57, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * In the Clone Wars section, perhaps. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:38, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The first appearance section would be nice. I'll also add it to Quote:Grievous. -- SFH 20:41, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess that would work, too. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:43, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

The Huk
" The Huks are actually aliens that you've seen before in a Star Wars film, it's just that nobody knew they were referred to as Huks." - Joe Corroney. Source: http://boards.theforce.net/literature/b10003/21238198/p14/?337 Rune Haako 18:39, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * So why is this here? Admiral J. Nebulax 19:14, 28 January 2006 (UTC)


 * They were Grievous' enemy. Rune Haako 19:18, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but that is talking about the Huks. There is a separate article for that. Admiral J. Nebulax 19:20, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

SuperShadow stuff
If Qymaen jai Sheelal is his real name, why does the bio say "Grievous Shakar"? Me smells Supershadow fans a-lurking!
 * Reverted it. Stupid anons don't give up. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:12, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

List
I propose changing the "Lightsabers" list to a list of Jedi Kills in general. I've got Unknown Soldier in front of me and I'd like to add info from that list, but it doesn't specifically address whose sabers he took. Anyone have a problem with that? CooperTFN 01:52, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with that. -- SFH 02:01, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Enough for me. CooperTFN 02:02, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Is there a source for him taking all the sabers from Geonosis? That seems incredibly unlikely, and US certainly doesn't help its case. CooperTFN 02:05, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It's in LoE. And I also agree. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:40, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Can we make it "Jedi Kills and Lightsabers appropriated"? Since then we can add that he had Darth Zannah's... QuentinGeorge 08:49, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:23, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Thelightsaber
What info on this page came from thelightsaber.com? Because not only is that site not official, it's also well-known for posting dubious amounts of fanon (e.g. Dara Jade and Darth Nemesis) - Kwenn 20:48, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * At the bottom of the Behind the Scenes info. But the site really isn't official, and I apologize for putting it back in. And just a note: I didn't put it in in the first place. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:19, 12 February 2006 (UTC)