User talk:Tommy9281

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Welcome, Tommy9281!
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Jedi battlemaster
Your additions to the Jedi battlemaster have been removed, as the content concerning Lucien Draay's status as a battlemaster are not yet established as Star Wars canon. Please do not add speculation to canonical articles, and please cite sources for any established facts. - Graestan   ( This party's over ) 22:28, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

Recent edits
On Wookieepedia, we try to avoid creating lists of information in bits, such as that which you added to the shiak article. Please refrain from editing in that style, as this is an encyclopedia, and not a trivia site. WP:TRIVIA -- Graestan ( Talk ) 04:50, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * See WP:TRIVIA for our practices regarding disjointed lists of information. I'm not angry; just trying to get everyone up to speed on things. Bullet points with single sentences doesn't fall within the wiki's current practices; indeed, it has been phased out in most areas and on many levels. If you're going to add large portions, please do so in paragraphs. The sentences of the paragraph don't have to be directly related, as they all have in common whatever it is that had them together in a list to begin with. This isn't a directly policy-related issue, and I'm not warning you as an administrator or anything, but my opinion is shared with a great may users, particularly those involved with the featured article nomination process, which creates precedents on the wiki much like court cases do in the laws of countries. Graestan ( Talk ) 05:05, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That's great; this is something which helps our overall quality of appearance a considerable amount. When you do reformat, take the templates out which I placed at the tops of the pages. I was going to reformat them myself, and that was a way of notifying myself which articles needed attention. Merry Christmas!  Graestan ( Talk ) 05:12, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Grand Master
Hello there Tommy9281, you recently expanded the Grand Master article and I noticed you forgot to source it, I'm just wondering where all that information came from. Can you please source it? Thank you. --Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 10:31, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm currently working on a few other articles, but I was planning to improve the Grand Master article as soon as my current projects are completed. And, since I don't have all the relevant sources yet, I won't be able to work on it right now.... So you're going to have to source it... I might be able to help in a few weeks, but I think you'll be done by then. :) Thank you for your quick reply and keep up the good work. --Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 10:56, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Kindly stop replacing the high def screencap of Yoda with the crappy quality illustration from the Essential Guide to the Force. Thanks. - JMAS 15:27, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

sourcing
It looks like you got most of the references you added right. But, the "DS" one looks funny.... I'd fix it if I knew what you meant by it. And you'll need to reference every section, at least, if you want it to become a Good or Featured article. Which would be my goal. --Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 12:00, 26 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello again Tommy9281, I have some more advice for you. :) I noticed your comment on Graestan's talk page; if you're worried someone will remove the information you added before you can source it, you should probably add the inuse template to the article to let other users know you're still working on it. Keep up the good work. --Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 15:57, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Odan-Urr
Greyman and I have done extensive research, and really nitpicked over the details concerning Odan-Urr and whether or not he is to be considered a Grand Master (quite yet), as we are the leaders of WookieeProject: Tales of the Jedi. Right now, the consensus is that he is not to be described in such a way, or even alluded to, until and unless Lucasfilm Limited specifically states that he is. Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force, the newest publication (and we know that LFL has gone out of their way recently to fix continuity errors and clear up vagaries), seems to go out of its way to avoid describing him so. Therefore, Odan-Urr will remain the most prominent Jedi of his era and the founder of the Great Jedi Library, but not the Grand Master of the Order. Graestan ( Talk ) 05:54, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * The rest of Grand Master doesn't seem out of line at all. Be sure to make it thorough with the citation; the whole site is seeing a systematic raising of the bar when it comes to accountability and verifiability. Graestan ( Talk ) 06:04, 27 December 2007 (UTC)
 * That looks great! It's one of those non-conventional articles that is still a pleasure to read. Great work! Graestan ( Talk ) 16:35, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Grand Master Article
Hello there Tommy9281, I've noticed that you recently re-added some POV and speculation to the Grand Master article after I had removed it. Could you please remove it again? or, could you perhaps remove the inuse template so I can remove it myself? Thank you. --Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 11:22, 1 January 2008 (UTC)

Re:
I redirected Four Stages of the Dark Side to Dark side of the Force, because the four stages is part of the dark side. Also, one thing that myself, and others, have noticed with regards to your edits recently is that they contain a degree of speculation and Original research. When adding content to Wookieepedia, please add only information from sources that can be verified using our Sourcing and citation policy. Feel free to add the Four Stages of the Dark Side into the Dark side of the Force article, being careful to only include verifiable information. Also, you can find the information you added on the Four Stages here. Remember&hellip;be bold ;) Cheers, Greyman ( Paratus ) 04:06, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * There ya go :) I fixed the above link, so give it another try. Enjoy, Greyman ( Paratus ) 04:31, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Inuse tags on FAs
Not giving out to you, but just advising you that it's not advised to add tags to articles that are already FAs, as these are read by many visitors and it looks bad when a supposedly complete article has a tag like that on it. I'm not discouraging you from editing the articles, but I would advise you not to bother with the inuse tag unless it's absolutely necessary. Cheers, -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 17:35, 27 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You're edits look fine; keep up the good work. Thanks for removing the tag. Oh, btw, I'm not actually an admin. Cheers, -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 17:49, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

RE: Freedon Nadd Uprising
Hello there Tommy9281, which image did you want to add, can you provide a link? thanks. --Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 07:48, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey Tommy. I've been away from my computer for a few days, so I just got your msg. I see that Jedimca0 already replied, but what picture did you have in mind? I think I know which one it is, but feel free to link me your thoughts. Cheers, Greyman ( Talk ) 00:29, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for showing me which picture it is you had in mind. I've spoken with Jedimca0 about it, and I think we're going to stay with the current picture. However, we have no problem using the picture you've provided in the main body of the article somewhere! Thanks for your cooperation and with asking us while the tag is posted there,  Greyman ( Talk ) 14:30, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey, Tommy. Could you please remove the WTOTJtalk from the article Duel in the Senate (Old Republic)? That template is actually only for talk pages which fall within the scope of WookieeProject Tales of the Jedi&mdash;so, feel free to add it to the tops of those relevant talk pages. I already added it to the talk page for the Duel in the Senate article, so if you could remove it from the main article it would be appreciated. Since you have the Inuse template on there, I didn't want to edit the article without advising you of it first. Cheers, Greyman ( Talk ) 15:19, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

WookieeProject Tales of the Jedi
Hey, Tommy9281. As you may or may not know, I've updated the main focus of WP:TOTJ. If you could review the new main focus here and contribute where possible, it would appreciated. Cheers, Greyman ( Talk ) 15:45, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Because more users who deserve them, should get one
Nice job with creating new articles for TOTJ. I've been impressed lately with the amount of effort you're demonstrating for the project. Keep it up, Greyman ( Talk ) 03:02, 10 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hear, hear! Graestan ( Talk ) 03:03, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

A little addition to WP:TOTJ
Hey, Tommy. I've added some additions to the project, more specifically here to help clean up featured articles that were FA'd outside of the project. Read through what I've written, and help out where possible if you so desire :) Cheers, Greyman ( Talk ) 14:08, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Aleema
I'm going through and giving the article a copy-edit right now, an after that I will leave a list of my own objections, which, since we're a team on WP:TOTJ, are really just suggestions, and I'll be happy to help you with any of them if you ask. We appreciate your work. Graestan ( Talk ) 20:52, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, Tommy. I'm really glad I could be of assistance. You've got a well-written article there, and it's always encouraging to see additional users like yourself contribute to the GAs and FAs. Please feel free to keep dropping down nominations! If I ever post some objections and take a little while to get around to striking them, don't feel discouraged. It's likely just me taking on too much work for myself to keep up with, but I'll definitely get to looking at anything. I look forward to working with you on future noms. :) Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:00, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: User talk:Greyman
It's just fine to upload images of yourself. Special:Upload has all the information you'll need as far as that goes. Graestan ( Talk ) 01:57, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Congrats
Thanks, Tommy :) Greyman ( Talk ) 04:29, 12 March 2008 (UTC)

Duplicate images
If a picture is already on the site then there is no need to upload it again. Just use the one that's already uploaded. If you're unsure how, please read the guide to image use. Thanks. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 19:01, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You can't delete it. Only an admin can. I've got it marked for deletion as a duplicate image already so sooner or later one of the admins will see it and wipe it out. :) And yes, I am quick. I'm a recent changes patroller as well as a New images patroller. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 19:14, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Aleema Keto
Hey, Tommy. I was curious if you're planning on finishing up with Aleema Keto before moving onto more projects? Right now, it's got some outstanding objections on the GAN page, and you still have the Inuse tag on it. I would recommend finishing up with Aleema before tackling any more large projects, like Satal Keto. Greyman ( Talk ) 16:40, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. Greyman ( Talk ) 17:07, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No worries, Tommy. Basically, I would recommend you look over Wookieepedia's Layout Guide, which will help show you how an article should be "laid out." While appearance lists should be organized by in-universe chronological order (events happening in 3 ABY come before 4 ABY, and so forth), source lists should be arranged in order by which they were published in real life. So, for example, the Star Wars Encyclopedia, which was published in 1998, would come before The New Essential Chronology, which was published in 2005. To get these dates, just look at the articles in your specific source list. They will be included in the infobox...Now for the Behind the Scenes (BTS) expansion, please look at, for example, the "Notable appearances" section under the BTS for Tarrin Datch, an article I have up for Featured Article nomination presently. Also, look at the BTS for Fenn Shysa, an article written by Cull Tremayne. Cull really does a spectacular job of writing BTS sections the way I believe they should be done. You can use his article as a model for you. One final thing, I've noticed you've been signing your username incorrectly. To properly sign your username, simply add the following 4 tildes, like so: ~ . That way, you won't have to type out your name every time. :) Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:17, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Everything you're looking for can be found on Wookieepedia. Just needs a little research. First, look in the article's list of appearances, which should always have a tag next to something. In Aleema's case, the first appearance is Tales of the Jedi: The Freedon Nadd Uprising 2: Initiates of the Sith. Then, click on that article to see who wrote the comic and in what year it was published. With this information in hand, the info can be put together simply by writing, "The character of Aleema Keto was first created by writer Tom Veitch for the Tales of the Jedi comic series, first appearing in the issue The Freedon Nadd Uprising: Initiates of the Sith, published in 1994." However, in Aleema's case, you have special circumstances, since while she first appeared in that comic series, she was  in the Dark Empire endnotes. So, after the sentence example I provided, you should write something saying something like, "However, the character was first mentioned by Veitch in the Dark Empire endnotes, and expand on exactly what these were, what they entailed, and how they came before the comic series. This information can be found in the article. And, as far as your username sig, you may have gone in and changed your signature to specifically reflect this, but unless you've done so, you're still doing something wrong, I think. When you sign your sig, it should appear as a blue link to your userpage. Yours is not showing any link. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:02, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Some article advice
Hey, Tommy. Thanks for finishing up Duel in the Senate (Old Republic)&mdash;you laid down a good base for others to build off of. That being said, I have gone over the article and done some minor formatting and MoS/LG cleanups. Since it's stuff that you'll need to do every time you write an article, I'd thought I'd make you aware of the fixes I made:


 * When sourcing, please follow our Sourcing policy to the tee. Especially How to reference articles. When you reference an article, the first mention/reference of a source needs to be in this format → . Likewise, when you go reference that source again, you just need to put →, instead of the entire initial code. Likewise, if you're just going to use a source once, then please use the following code → . Like I linked to at the beginning, all of this stuff is laid out on the Sourcing page :)
 * Please list Sources in date of publication, earliest to latest, per our Manual of Style.
 * Try to stay away from flowery or poetic headings like "A dual of epic proportions". The simple fact is that it is not encyclopedic. If you look over any of the articles I've written for FA or GA, you'll notice that I just stick with non-flowery headings&mdash;headings like "Prelude", "The battle", "The duel", "Early life", etc etc. You'll notice that the vast majority of other serious writers here tend to stray away from the flowery headings&mdash;descriptive is fine, but poetic is crossing the line, in my opinion. Also, please remember that section heads are not to be capitalized. They should be, for example, "The duel" and not "The Duel".
 * An article's behind the scenes section can be a touchy and tricky part to write. The best rule of thumb is to only stick things in the Behind the scenes that are directly related to the topic you're writing about. For example, I removed the mentions of Kenobi's and Skywalker's duel, and Yoda's and Palpatine's duel, because they were not directly related to the Duel in the Senate (Old Republic), but instead fan-speculation gleaned from somewhat similar circumstances in those events.
 * Please remember to follow our Layout guide for all material in the "Appearances" section, using the correct template, if need be, such as or  . It should all be explained in that link at the beginning of this paragraph. Likewise, please follow this part of the Layout Guide for adding/distinguishing sources.

Otherwise, good job with taking the initiative on this article. Keep up the good work, and I'm looking forward to watching you promote Aleema Keto to GA, and eventually FA. Cheers, Greyman ( Talk ) 14:35, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey, Tommy. Like you asked of me, Aleema's first appearance was in the comic issue Tales of the Jedi: The Freedon Nadd Uprising 2: Initiates of the Sith. Her character was conceived and written by author Tom Veitch, and drawn by Tony Akins. Veitch's creation of Aleema for the FNU, though her appearance in that issue was short, laid the ground work for her deeper involvement in the next two story arcs of the Tales of the Jedi comic series, Dark Lords of the Sith and The Sith War, respectively. Likewise, you'll notice on Aleema's article that I edited the Appearances section to reflect only the comic issues that she appeared in&mdash;hopefully that makes it a little easier for you to find info on her :) Cheers, Greyman ( Talk ) 15:00, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Duel in the Senate (Old Republic)
Hey, Tommy. I'll give the article a copy-edit later today sometime, and at that point I'll make any minor corrections it may need :) From giving it a quick look, plus the cleanup I did the other day, I don't think much more other than a copy-edit needs to be done. Likewise, if you ever need help in a real time fashion with anything project-related, feel free sign into project's IRC channel&mdash;usually all the other members of the project are signed in there, or most of them are. If you don't currently have an IRC client, feel free to check out this list. If you use the web browser FireFox, you'll probably find Chatzilla the easiest one to use, since it's built for FireFox. Myself, and come to think of it, the other projects all use Chatzilla. However, use whichever one you think will work best for you :) Cheers, Greyman ( Talk ) 14:50, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The audio dramas are the same level of canon as the comics. However, the audio books don't have anything new in them outside what's presented in the comics, so don't worry about referencing them. The only thing that you might want to do is if you're writing a Behind the scenes for a character's article, and they are in the audio book, just place who voiced them and which audio book, and you're good to go. Greyman ( Talk ) 15:08, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Re: Aleema's BtS
Hey, Tommy. Aleema's BtS looks quite good, though there is still an outstanding objection of mine on Aleema's GAN about the BtS ;) It's about her linage and what you've written about her possible descendants&mdash;the objection should be pretty self-explanatory :) As for your the other objections that have been left for Aleema by others, if you've fixed them then I would just leave a msg on the objector's talk pages asking that they review the objections due to the fact that you've done your best to fix them. If they still think something needs to be done, then they will clarify the objection for you.

As for your signature question, it sounds like you have something improperly placed in your "My Preferences" link. At the top of your window, click on "My Prefences"; then under the "User Profile" tab you'll see a box with "Nickname" beside it, and a checkmark box below it that says "Raw signature". What I think is the matter is that you simply put "Tommy" in the Nickname box, and have the Raw signature box checked. So, when you type ~ 's it produces whatever you have in that box. What I suggest is copying/pasting something like the following into that Nickname box, leaving the Raw signature with a check mark in it -- Tommy9281 (I live as energy...I am the dark side!) -- that code I just posted was an old code of yours that you used once on WP:TOTJ. If you put a code like that in your My Preferences, then you'll get a custom signature with a link to your userpage and talk page whenever you sign with four tildes. Cheers, Greyman  http://images.wikia.com/central/images/9/9c/Jan.png ( Talk ) 00:07, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Sourcing names
Hey, Tommy. Just a quick fyi, you don't have to source a name in the infobox. I removed it from one of the articles you're working on, but then realized that you had the inuse tag on it. So, I thought I'd let you know. Cheers, Greyman  http://images.wikia.com/central/images/9/9c/Jan.png ( Talk ) 18:51, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Template fooling?
Hello there! May I ask what template I'm fooling you with? -- Darth Paulus  ( May the Force serve you well! ) 18:23, 3 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Uh...um. Never mind. I didn't realize THAT template... Sorry for interrupting, anyway.-- Darth Paulus [[Image:JaingHead.svg|20px]] ( May the Force serve you well! ) 18:49, 3 April 2008 (UTC)