Talk:Darth Vectivus

Is all the info coming from Lumiya? If so, should we take it with a grain of salt? -- SFH 20:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, we know nothing about him otherwise. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:22, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It's basically the same scenario as the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise; we only have the word of a character who is affiliated with the most untrustworthy group in the galaxy. So everything they say should be taken with a grain of salt. Lumiya doesn't even consider Palpatine and Vader true Sith - Kwenn 20:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * True. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 00:01, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


 * No reason to doubt it, so it's true. DarthMalus 05:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but still, we should keep the article as is. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 11:19, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

absolutely. there is something lumiya isn't telling him. though i'm sure jacen is redeemed either by luke, ben, his parents, or jaina. DarthMalus 14:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think Jacen should remain a Sith. But we're getting off of the subject. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Regardless of any possible future plans, the fact remains that Lumiya is the only source of info on this guy. There is, as yet, no official, OOU material on him - Kwenn 20:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, whether or not he was real, we should treat him as real for the time being. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:04, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

How do we know he is preceeded by Darth Mel? Is it in the book? Just curious. Stinkywookie 16:32, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You mean Darth Millennial? Well, apparently Lumiya said something that placed it after Millennial's time. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:15, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I didn't want to misspell it so I just shortened it. I can't wait to get my hands on this book. Stinkywookie 19:43, 24 May 2006 (UTC) I may have to hit up my local book store to see if they did that too Stinkywookie 20:01, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Same with me. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:41, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * On a related note to the book, how did people get it? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I got mine early because Chapters (Canadian book store) released it on the 20th instead of the 30th.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 19:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Now I really hate Borders and Barnes and Noble here in the U.S.... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Back to the point again. I didn't find any indication in Betrayal as to when he lived, apart from the "hundreds of years ago" comment. In fact the statement that he died of old age surrounded by friends and family doesn't sound very likely from a Sith of Banes order. Charlii 11:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it's all a lie, then? Just as Sidious pretends to be a regular guy, maybe Lumiya is making the asteroid administrator out to be more than he is? - Kwenn 12:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That or he is another splinter group....Lumiya now doesn't believe that Vader and Sids were true Sith so maybe there is another group of Sith. Stinkywookie 12:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Darth Vectivus is real. Lumiya may have tried to pretty him up and then disassociate herself with Sith like Sidious and Vader, to make her order seem different and nicer I guess. Her core character trait is the same as Sidious. Bothe want power, both use any means to get what they want. Telling the truth or telling lies is no exception. The point is that she needs Jacen. She will tell him what he wants to hear. Jacen doesn't believe the darkside exists, so naturally Lumiya would appeal to the delussion of his. The Sith prey upon weakness and exploit it. Anakin wanted to save his wife's life, Sidious knew this, he also knew his master had the ability, seeing it as an opportunity, he told Anakin about not only his possible creator, his own master, but a particular arcane discipline that Plagueis possessed. Anakin wanted that power, Sidious promises it, and Anakin pledges himself to Sidious. Lumiya may be doing the same thing to Jacen. Though unlike Sidious, she distorts the truth just enough to appeal to Jacen's own view of the force. DarthMalus 16:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Saying that Vectivus was real doesn't mean he was. It's the same deal with Plagueis&mdash;they haven't actually appeared anywhere yet, and we only have the words of characters. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Plagueis is mentioned in the NEC, so he does exist. Or are you arguing that it can't be trusted since it's written in-universe? We can only note where facts are dubious from an IU perspective, we can't leave information out of the Wookiee because of that. Charlii 19:21, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * We only have the word of a lone character that said Darth Vectivus was real. We have no actual proof that Vectivus was real. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Doesn't he actually appear in some way in the book. Like a ghost or spectre of some sort?  I think he was real but I would take what he says with a grain of salt. Stinkywookie 19:45, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Plagueis isn't mentioned in the NEC. That was written way before RotS was released (EDIT: D'oh. Just realized I got my acronyms mixed up. Thought you meant New Essential Guide to Characters. Apologies - Kwenn 20:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No, Plagueis really doesn't appear in the book. Mentioned, yes. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:44, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * True, but it still invalidates your point about us not knowing for certain if he truely existed or not Charlii 21:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm so sorry I forgot about what it said in the NEC. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * you know, everyone should chill, alot of people are getting to worked up about this betrayel infomation, whatever aspect of it. Jedi Dude
 * No, because we're discussing about whether or not Vectivus was real. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * well until we know for sure, he's real, and you don't need to be so rude about it you know. Jedi Dude
 * No. That doesn't settle it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * well to be honest, it seems to be the only way things are settled is when they go your way, no one will know if he is real until the book is out more widely, so for now the infomation should stay, that includes Vectivus, whether real or not. Jedi Dude
 * "...when they go your way...". No. The information is staying, but right now, we're discussing here whether or not he was an actual being. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:04, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * i was talking in general there, what im saying is there any point debating hes real until we have the books which concerns him?Jedi Dude
 * That's the thing&mdash;will there be one? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:21, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I was talking about Darth Vectivus. I know Plagueis hasn't been "seen." Stinkywookie 12:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Please don't post in the middle of a discussion. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 17:31, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Both Plagueis and Vectivus existed, enough of this "we can't know anything for certain" postmodernist garbage. Vectivus spirit appears in the book, I think that more than anything points to the fact that in all probability, he was a living being, a Sith, and went by the name Darth Vectivus. Sidious recalls his own masters teachings in Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader, and Plagueis is mentioned in the NEC, and according to Lucas he was Sidious's master. This discussion should have never taken place. Now what she meant by being "fair" and "balanced" is ambiguous because any Sith at any given time either were devoid of all forms of morality, which many it was a gradual process, but each thought of themselves at some point as being fair and just, and that they were doing a greater good. From the spirit I gather that he was no different than other Sith. Lumiya learned alot from Sidious's manipulative methods, but she is simply not as crafty as Sidious was. In the end she seeks power just like every Sith. DarthMalus 14:42, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Technically he could have been one of them Force illusions created by Lumiya, couldn't he? Oh, and lol @ the Sith being "fair and balanced" :-p ThrawnRocks 00:38, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * He could have been a Force illusion... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 01:06, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Could have but probably not. Until a source says otherwise we can assume he was real.DarthMalus 01:26, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

name
Just to throw this is, "vectis" is latin for "lever". Perhaps an inspiration for the name "Vectivus". I disagree, see my linguistics theory at the end of this topic. Prometheus 17:02, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

and more often or not,for his fault or not Nebulax your often involved. In Some way. 'sighs' Jedi Dude
 * What does "lever" have to do with a Sith Lord? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 00:07, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The story of Vectivus was the lever that got Jacen to turn over to the dark side I guess... or something like that *shrugs*
 * It's a good thought. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 11:23, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * According to my (albiet scant) research into this topic (consisting of using several free latin to english translators on the web) Vectivus is close to a latin root for "profit" or such... which would tie in with his supposed life as a ceo/administrator of a mining facility... of course, I could be far off base with this, as I have close to zero knowledge of latin and greek roots. SolusKad 00:58, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Would you know what the root is? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 01:00, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Aaron Allston said in an online chat-session that the name came from the word "invective". Charlii 18:05, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * His name is based on reproachful language?...Why can't the Legacy comics do thought provoking stuff like this? -- SFH 18:10, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the Legacy comics needs a name redo... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:05, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * agreed. Jedi Dude
 * Maybe they'll kill off the badly named Sith in the first issue and replace them with better-named ones. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh for the love of the Force, there are no bad Sith names. Honestly people. DarthMalus 14:29, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You don't think Darth Talon's name is stupid? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:39, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Lets not forget Darth Krayt. -- SFH 19:40, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I was going to say him next, don't worry. ;) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:42, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope. If the name suits them then it is perfect. Though I find it amusing that those who complain about name usually have a goofy name themselves. I mean no offense but Nebulax sounds like a laxative suppliment in the Star Wars galaxy. Badly name Sith, please...don't even start as I am sure you couldn't do much better. DarthMalus 13:15, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * why the hell does every argument about star wars around this wiki become personal?
 * Uh, DarthMalus, I hope you realize that calling someone "a laxative suppliment in the Star Wars galaxy" could be considered a personal attack. My advice: Don't say it again. And FYI, I could come up with a better name than Darth Talon. Who couldn't? And Jedi Dude, could you possibly make that last statement a little clearer? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:37, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Tbh, i don't think it was meant as a personal assault. And as for Jedidude, i think he just means that wenever he tries to screw things up people like you are always there to revert the edit. Which he doesn't like. Jasca Ducato 20:39, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I was just saying that one could take it as a personal attack&mdash;which I did, because being called a laxative suppliment makes me want to punch someone. As for Jedi Dude, well, people always tend to get mad at me when I'm trying to do the right thing. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:44, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * to bad you never do the right thing. you just like to argue and you are more often then not in the wrong. this conversation is stupid. how lame is a "stupid name" discussion anyway? leave them be and move on. I think Malus was pointing out that in the end don't all of the star wars characters and members of wookiepedia have goofy names?
 * Yeah, I do the right thing many times. No, I don't like to argue. And there is no need for this discussion, so let this post end it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:04, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

I am a linguist of sorts, the english word that you are looking for is VECTOR. Vector, as a medical term, is an organism that transmits a disease without being infected by said disease. This is supported by the story that Darth Vectivus was not corrupted by the Dark Side. You have no reson to take my word for it, I'm new to the WookieePedia, but check the facts before denouncing me. Prometheus 16:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I think that the "lever" inspiration is valid, but the whole "vector" thing seems to be a more likey inspiration. But I guess that is the work of the team behind the 'Legacy of the Force' series, they're almost as good as GL himself. Darth Tritus 17:24, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Physical Description

 * I noticed we hadn't put a physical description for him, and since they describe him rather well physically, should I add it in in a separate category or fit it into one of the others? --Sauron18 02:50, 15 June 2006
 * I'd say put it in a second paragraph in the introductory section. Lonnyd 07:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Where's the source for him being Human? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:00, 15 Jun 2006 (UTC)
 * Betrayal - p344 "Behind her stood a human man......" Lonnyd 19:19, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops... Sorry. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Succession
What's the source placing Vectivus after Millenial? Lonnyd 06:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought Milennial was given a very early date in Vader's book, and Vectivus only a "few centuries back" kind of date. I'm unsure, but I'll check in a bit. --Sauron18 02:00 23 June 2006 (CDT)
 * That is correct. QuentinGeorge 09:48, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, then. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 11:46, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Bane's order
Can Vectivus really be considered part of Bane's order as he trained himself and was not heir to that lineage.-Darth Morder
 * Vectivus discovered the Dark Side powers of the Home on his own, but after he left it, he sought out the Sith, and apparently found them, as he returned to the Home as Sith Lord. Lonnyd 06:45, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah But it is never specifically said what he found weather it was sith knowledge or a sith lord,and lumyia does say that he trained himself in the way of the sith so he definately wasnt someones apprentice.-Darth Morder
 * It's never explicitly stated that he is someone's apprentice, but he IS said to be of the line of Bane and Sidious. Lumiya said he trained himself in the dark side while on the asteroid.  After he left the asteroid is stated that he searched out the Sith AND FOUND THEM.  Please don't change the affiliation again. Lonnyd 18:17, 2 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Ive just re-read that section and it is NOT Said the Vectivus is part of the rule of two, Lumyia says he goes out into the galaxy discovers the sith and trains himself in their ways returning to the asteroid as Darth Vectivus Its more likely he found a holocron or something, if he found the lords themselves they surley would have killed him as he would have been a threat to the rule of two, and lumyia specificaly says he apprentices himself in sith knowledge thefore he was not heir to the rule of two-Darth Morder
 * You said it yourself, he found the Sith. Case closed.  Lonnyd 08:27, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * And don't come back with the argument that there was another group of Sith. That is major speculation which has no place here. Lonnyd 08:29, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Im not saying there was another group of sith what im saying is that NOWHERE in the book is said that he found the order of the sith lords so saying he is part of them is speculation. For all we no he found a sith holocron or spirit which is still technically the sith just not banes order which is never mentioned in the book.-Darth Morder

Fury spoilers about Vectivus...
In Fury, the New Sith Order, or One Sith, are discussing matters on Korriban and Darth Vectivus comes up. They reveal that the Holocron, Vectivus's holocron, that they gave to Alema was fake. They then declare that Vectivus's history was fradulent, but apparently his Force phantom technique was still beneficial to them. I'm not sure how to interpret it - apparently Vectivus existed, but he has no holocron known, and he was a fraud of something - maybe he wasn't such a good guy after all, or he wasn't a Sith? I dunno. --Danik Kreldin 19:15, 29 November 2007 (UTC)