User talk:Grunny/Archive5

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Cade Skywalker page
Please do not delete valid things to include. The BTS section is an entirely appropriate place to list statements by authors. Kuralyov 05:40, 15 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, no problem I just thought it was a bit far fetched won't happen again. Grunny 06:38, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Recruitment
Thanks for the touch-ups on Dark Underlord, much appreciated. Might I suggest you join this little project? What did you think of Jedi vs Sith by the way? IMO, best Star Wars comic I've read. Cull Tremayne 07:34, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I would love to thanks for the invitation. Jedi vs. Sith was one of the first Star Wars comics I ever read and IMO I don't think any comic has surpassed it since. Grunny 07:42, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Excelente. Cull Tremayne 07:44, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Brotherhood of Darkness
Wow, nice work. Cull Tremayne 07:42, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank You. Grunny 08:56, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

EN userbox
FYI: I recently learned that using more than one level of EN (more than one English userbox) screws up the auto-categorization system. So it'd probably be best if you just picked one. (Had to change my userpage too!) Cheers.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 15:18, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

GAN
Hey Grunny, I'm sorry if I sounded mad or rude on your Force Speed nom. I had had a bad day, and was a bit cranky. I apologize for any misunderstandings.  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 01:27, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * All right then. Once again, I apologize if I was acting like a dick. Let's see if we can't get this to GA. :)  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 03:55, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Re: Speed GAN
I couldn't really go into the specifics, since I don't own most of those sources, but there are some things that you may be able to get. If you can't find relevant info, it's fine. I just taking educated guesses about whether information is present or not. This is about all that I can think of at the moment. Again, I would like to stress that this is just an educated guess, and if the information is not there, you needn't pore mindlessly through piles of books to find info. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 10:29, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) When was its first known use/discovery?
 * 2) Are there any Force-based organisations that used it other than the Jedi?
 * 3) An idea of how much mental focus was required to use/master it. And also any other philosphy on its use.
 * 4) Another quote, if possible.
 * 5) Force alignment is missing. KotOR identifies it as being light side I think. Also, are there any discrepencies with other canon eg. dark siders using the ability?
 * 6) Was there anything that could be done to effectvely counteract/cancel the effects of Force Speed? Another Force power, perhaps?
 * The article seems OK to me now, but since I'm not a particularly experienced reviewer, it would probably be wise to get a second opinion from an AC. I'll be happy to give this my support if he/she gives a green light. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 09:46, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Just a bit of refining left. According to Tionne Solusar's tome regarding the Force written at the time of the Second Galactic Civil War, Force Speed would only be able to achieve after by using the Force to attune their entire body with their heightened reflexes. The second part of this sentence (the bit after the comma) does not make sense. Please reword.
 * And that's everything I can find. Hope this goes through. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 03:17, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Voted in support. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 03:31, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Re:
Wow, you really improved this article greatly. Good job. But, I felt it needed a section giving more info on the power itself, so I added that. Take a look. :) I titled it "Characteristics", but if you can think of a better name I'm all for it.  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 18:28, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that it might just be ready.  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 00:59, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome.  IFYLOFD  ( And now, young Skywalker, you will die. ) 01:08, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Force Speed GAN
It is a very improved article, but I know that it has appeared in more sources than that. That is what keeps me from supporting. You have a large research project on your hands with this. NaruHina Talk  09:03, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, for one, I know it was in more of LOTF. If you have a fast internet connection, the best option would be to go through List of books one by one to find out where it has appeared. Or type something like "gjdjghk" into the box, then type "Force Speed," "Force augmented speed," etc into that search box, it may help.  NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 09:21, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
 * You too, have a happy completely secular holiday. ;P NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 09:35, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

More Force Speed stuff

 * Yes, that users section is more of what I'm looking for. With the RPG books and video games, it's sort of hit and miss as to what's game mechanics, and what's not. For example, if there are two blasters in the Knights of the Old Republic video game, one with 2-8 damage and one with 3-9, we can say that blaster B fired a more powerful blast than blaster A. We can't say that it did one more point of damage. I guess I just don't see the distinction being made between "Master Speed" and "Knight Speed" in-universe. It'd be okay to say that those who'd mastered the ability were able to move faster, but I'm not sure about calling them two separate applications.

As for the dueling bit, I tend to agree with you, but at the same time, you might want to expand your search to include "Force-heightened reflexes", which would seem to fall under Force Speed, IMHO. That's more of what I was referring to. If that is the case, and "heightened reflexes" does fall under that Force power, everything from Qui-Gon Jinn snagging Jar Jar Binks' tongue in TPM to Kit Fisto battling the Jedi Killer droid in The Cestus Deception would also be fair game. I'll leave that last point as food for thought for you, but again, good work on the article so far. ;-) Atarumaster88   ( Talk page ) 14:58, 8 January 2009 (UTC)
 * That sounds good to me. ;) Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 15:11, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

battle of endor/kashyyk clarification
see the battle of endor's talk page for the arguement... i cannot seem to get the writers to get the point

Force Speed
Hey Grunny,

Lemme know when you have found all the instances of Force speed you can find. Your word is good enough for me, and strike. I'll check the over/underlinking bit later today. Thanks! —Tommy9281 ( Peace is a lie ) 16:02, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey Grunny. In Crystal Star, Leia put on what was described as a "burst of speed". I think it was while she was on Hethrir's worldcraft, but I don't remember. I'll listen to the story again tonight & let you know exactly. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Dark Side Master TotG.jpg|17px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 23:25, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * HA! Well, in that case, I imagine you can remove Crystal Star. Like you, I heard "burst of speed" and got happy. Nice catch, and I'll keep looking also. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Dark Side Master TotG.jpg|17px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 23:46, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

Azard
Hey Grunny,

No sweat about using Reave as an example. That is one of the ways I learned to do stuff around here&mdash;by following good examples;) Anyway, So far so good on Azard. I would expand the P&A, because I think he used Force lightning also (I'll have a look at the comic later). Also, if you can, try to clear the text bubbles in the images where the text gets chopped because of cropping. If you can't, no sweat there either&mdash;I can do it for you. I think that if we can find a better image for the infobox that would be cool, but if not, no big whoop there either. I noticed that you said many of Krayt's sith wielded twoblade sabers. Is that so? I only remember Azard, so I'll check on that too. I'll give it a good copy-edit if you like, maybe add a couple of things with your permission of course, when you're all done. If you have IRC access, I'd like to catch you there sometime. —Tommy9281 ( Peace is a lie ) 16:14, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey Grunny, if you look at [[Image:MassacreonDac.jpg]], you'll see what appears to be Azard blasting that Mon Cal with Force lightning while he slices another with his lightsaber. Also, make mention of his telekinetic abilities, which he uses to hoist Sha Dun up into the air. That one looked to me like he was Force choking him, since Dun is clutching at his throat. Also, I looked over the comic, and you are correct&mdash;that image is the best one to use for the infobox. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Dark Side Master TotG.jpg|17px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 01:38, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Re:Darth Azard
All I see is a picture of him, included among pictures of other Darths. There's no entry on him, as far as I can tell. If I find anything, I'll let you know immediately. Grand Moff Tranner (Comlink) 19:09, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I left a note on the FAN page, but I thought I'd leave this here as well. You're going to have to get Legacy 32 and most likely 33 when it comes out. Azard appears; he's basically the overseer of the execution of the Mon Calamari. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 00:49, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Re:Force Speed

 * To be honest, I think passing a Force power as an FA would be a pretty difficult feat, especially since it's the first one. It's not just the intro. The GA you passed was a "broad-coverage" GA, meaning that not every little thing had to be covered. It would have to be for FA. I'd imagine that you'd spend a good part of the objection process adding information from new and obscure sources. I don't mean to dissuade you, so if you're up to the challenge, go for it. That said, if it's your first go at FA, I recommend picking up something a little less demanding, just so you can see what it's like. Something as broad as Force Speed will take some work, though. Hope that helps. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 00:35, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure. Best of luck to you in your endeavours, Grunny, whichever article you pick for FAN. And yes, characters do tend to be some of the easier ones to do. ;-) That said, after having taken a look at your userpage, if you're wanting to do a "practice" nom for the Force Speed one, I'd be willing to collaborate with you on, say, Form VII: Juyo / Vaapad, if you're interested and want to have someone work with you and help you out with the FAN process. Regardless of what you choose to do, I'm sure you'll do well. Cheers. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 03:42, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. I'm wrapping up another project at the moment, but once I'm done with that, I'll start working on Form VII. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 04:25, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * FYI, I've made a subpage for us to work on Form VII. The actual article is, well, far too prone to stupidity and vandalism to effectively be used. As such, I think starting from scratch will work much better. Cheers. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 22:14, 23 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Really? I'm a bit surprised, as I was pretty sure that the forms were developed for the Fightsaber article. What all does it say? I'll have to do some digging into that, then. As for the Fact File, I should be able to find someone who can get that info. Also, as a general rule, sources should be sorted by OOU publication date, which is why I moved a lot of their placement around. I fixed the ones you added. Lastly, sources are not necessarily required to be referenced from if there is no new information from there. Cheers. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 17:18, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks
Thanks for the greeting. I need to work on my sig now :) Spirit-of-HALO 08:12, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Fav
Hey Grunny,

If you have a moment, can you add Mission to Prakith and Darth Reave to the list of Legacy project GAs? I am presently unable to do so in my restricted editing capacity. Thanks, friend. —Tommy  ( Nine two eight one ) 06:38, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

can i copy articles
can i add the articles from here to my website and just copy them or are they al copywrited

its tipper45
stop Editing my page

its tipper45
stop Editing my page

Have a cookie
Wow, I'm so glad someone else has joined my crusade to clean up the orphaned pages. I've been working on them off and on forever, but really consistently for the last couple of weeks, looking at it after it is re-cached every morning. I was pretty shocked to see everything gone almost up to the letter "C" this morning. Have a snack!Wildyoda 15:07, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Darth Maleval
Hey Grunny. You know, pretty soon I'm just going to create a section called "Successful GAs" on your talk page, and just list them as they're archived. :p Anyway, Darth Maleval has been archived. Congrats! Cylka  -talk- 01:04, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Award
I, Graestan the Mighty, Merciless, and Wise, being the High Overlord of Wookieepedia and All Realms Therein, hereby award you, Grunny the Tireless, with the Pit Droid Award of Diligence&hellip;

&hellip;for being a freakin' machine!

Keep up the good, exhaustive work! Graestan ( Talk ) 02:43, 19 February 2009 (UTC)

Darth Stryfe
Hey Grunny, here they are. I also wanted to let you know that I added the nowiki tag to the categories, so that this "working copy" won't pop up in category searches. It's a good article, and since you want to FA it later on, I was a bit more critical in my review. Hope to see it up on the GAN soon! Have a good day. :-) Cylka  -talk- 08:52, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that a sentence of context is needed for Cade Skywalker in the intro.
 * Done.
 * The word Sith is used too many times in the beginning of the second paragraph of the intro.
 * How's that?
 * A little bit of context is need for the Anti-Sith Insurgency when it is first introduced.
 * Done.
 * Why did they care about Muur? Maybe explain why they would want to meet him.
 * Done.
 * Temple was empty after the Jedi Knight Shado Vao performed a mind trick on them - There is nothing wrong with the end of this sentence, but you might want to think about somehow pipelinking "mind trick" - maybe rewrite it a bit to say something about how he used to persuade them through the Force or something.
 * Done.
 * A little context is needed for the Hidden Temple.
 * Done.
 * Luke Skywalker needs a little context, a few words at most.
 * Done.
 * Hands in the body need to be put into context the same way as you did in the introduction.
 * Done.
 * The part about Nihl and Talon being injured wasn't really needed, so I reworded that sentence a bit.
 * Thanks :).
 * When Cade Skywalker set in motion his plan to kill Darth Krayt, he initiated an attack on a Sith outpost at Had Abbadon. Darth Reave, the Sith Lord in command of the outpost, managed to escape and brought the news to Krayt on Coruscant. Reave had been bitten by an ancient and thought-to-be extinct form of Sithspawn known as a rakghoul while fighting Skywalker and his companions. - The statements are fine, but the first sentence doesn't transition very well into the second sentence. Maybe you could somehow rewrite the beginning of the paragraph so that there would be a smoother transition.
 * Rewritten. Is this okay?
 * You might also want to add in that Maladi was a scientist, and that is why she could recognize a rakghoul.
 * Added.
 * despite rakghouls being extinct for millennia - This might work better if it was worked somewhere a bit earlier in the paragraph. It just hangs a bit at the end of the sentence that it's at right now.
 * Removed.
 * See if you can fit in "Dark Lord of the Sith" somewhere in relation to Krayt. It's minor, but I think it would be better to include the title.
 * Done.
 * During the fight on Had Abdadon you write about Morne controlling the rakghouls. Somewhere either at this point or earlier you need to add in something about how the Muur Talisman controls the raks.
 * How's that?
 * The first paragraph of the Battle section uses the word attack a bit too often.
 * How's it looking now? :)
 * Maybe a couple words about Krayt's vision for the Sith should be added, just for context.
 * Done.
 * Perhaps the most brutal of the One Sith, Stryfe was raw power personified that was waiting to be unleashed - This sounds a bit speculative and POVish. It needs to be reworded, or if this was someone's opinion, that needs to be stated.
 * It's not someone's opinion but its the wording used in both Legacy 0 and the CSWE.
 * known for his harsh methods - What kind of methods? Was it punishment, training, or expectations?
 * Addressed
 * In regards to Stryfe's protectiveness in his P/T, you should add in something about him killing the rak that Reave had become.
 * Done.
 * In combat he utilized an aggressive lightsaber style that employed both single- and double-handed lightsaber strikes. - do you have a source for this? Otherwise, it will be thought of as OR.
 * Changed to match CSWE info.

Shields Up
Hey, Grunny,

Given your GAN success with Force speed, what say you to an attempt at Force Barrier? —Tommy  ( Nine two eight one ) 04:19, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I will join you. —Tommy [[Image:Dark side Master SWGTCG.jpg|17px]] ( Nine two eight one ) 04:25, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Confrontation on Ambria
Hey Grunny, this is the first time I've ventured into nominating a GA, so I'm still figuring out how everything works here, and I would definitely appreciate all the help you have to offer with this article. Thanks! Jonjedigrandmaster 15:21, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey Grunny, that sounds good to me. Thanks again for all your help! :) Jonjedigrandmaster 15:32, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help w/ the intro! I think we've covered pretty much all the objections. Anything else I need to fix? Jonjedigrandmaster 17:00, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Acaadi
Hey Grunny. Sorry, it took me so long to get back to you with this. Here you go:
 * The Zabrak male known as Acaadi was a Jedi who became a Sith agent during the Jedi Civil War,[1] which began when Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Revan and his apprentice Darth Malak led an invasion of the Galactic Republic in 3,959 BBY. - This sentance introducing the Jedi Civil War is out of place at the beginning of the Mandalorian Wars section. It needs to either go at the end or in the next section. You can introduce Acaadi now, and then add in later that he turned to the Sith. Same with the introduction.
 * The Revanchists need a bit more context than just "a group of Jedi" in the introduction.
 * Acaadi was pursued by a group - Who was this group? Were they the Republic agents mentioned in the next sentence? This needs to be clarified a bit more in the introduction.
 * Why did Acaadi want to divide Duqua Dar from the Jedi and turn him to the dark side? this needs to be clarified a bit when first introduced.
 * The two Force-sensitives had been ordered to Iridonia because of their masters' Force visions, so that they could help the Republic agents stop Acaadi, as they believed the Sith agent was using techniques he'd learned while studying their respective Force traditions to corrupt Jedi and further Revan's Sith Empire. - This sentence is a bit long, and should be broken up.
 * hide his Force presence from other Force-users - I know that there is a Force power for this, I just can't remember what it's called. i believe it's the same one Palpatine used.
 * Acaadi was created as the primary villain for Iridonian Darkness - Do you have a source that specifically says this? If not, it would probably be better to reword this to say he was a primary villain or somesuch.
 * The introduction needs to be broken up a bit, but that first sentence needs to be fit into the intro a bit later, then break the intro up.
 * This is just a suggestion - you might want to consider pipelinking some of the links, especially the ones involved with Force powers.
 * Good job, Grunny! The linking is just needs to be checked, as I caught some of it, but I'm not sure I got all of it, and some context is needed. Otherwise, good stuff. :-)  Cylka  -talk- 22:59, 27 February 2009 (UTC)