User talk:Havac

The place to talk with Havac. I'll generally reply here.

Archive: Archive One

Quotation question
Hi, Havac, I have a query!

Question
Is it seen as proper to quote P.O.V. prose? It's actually quite difficult to come up with examples, but try this for size:

"Every time the disease had cropped up, Mara had focused her strength, had focused the Force inwards, and beat it back." (p. 81 of paperback Vector Prime)

So that's Leia's 3rd person point of view, it isn't speech, and I don't believe (correct me if I'm wrong but I doubt I am) it could ever be quoted in an IU article, e.g. Mara's. It isn't quoted anywhere btw, in case you're worried.

Examples here: So can you quote thoughts? I suppose Corran Horn's internal monologues in the X-wing series would be an example. They're italicized, and essentially 1st person, but they're still not speech.
 * The lead quote in The Commodore article. However, I don't know if you have Allegiance, so this may not help.
 * If you check the history for the Duel on Terephon, you can see that the user who created the article used quotations from Traviss' prose in Sacrifice as part of the article. I cut them out when I expanded the article (badly, I'll admit, but it had been a WIP for about a month).
 * Zekk also has a suspicious lead quote, qhich looks like it's been taken from the text, and credited to Jaina's 'thoughts'.

So in the less fiddly question, can you only quote the spoken word/direct telepathy etc?

I'm relatively confused, and don't like the idea of users quoting the author instead of the character (though obviously that's a self-contradictory statement, you know what I mean). I was wondering what the policy was.

Thanks, and sorry for any poor research on my behalf, as well as eating up you discussion page. Harrar 23:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Quoting OOU prose is a huge no-no. Shouldn't happen. Thoughts are iffier, and I prefer not to use them if you've got anything else that can do the job. I've used direct first-person narration before, in BoShek's article, and I wouldn't be opposed to quoting thoughts, occasionally, if it's made clear in the attribution that they're thoughts, but I'd only do it in the most extreme circumstances. I'm not sure that there's any actual policy on it, though. Havac 23:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, well I've seen a few examples - I disagree with it on principle, I guess, and was hoping it wasn't a growing, sanctioned phenomenom. Without wishing to tell tales, you might wanna explain this to User:Firebird, because three of the examples I've found were from her, and I didn't get a reply when I asked her if it was proper. Thanks for the info. Harrar 23:40, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Labria
Do you have access to the Fact Files article on him? --Eyrezer 13:21, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No, is there something worth having? Havac 17:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I dunno, but worth having a look. I'll see if Jaymach will upload. Also while it is in the Appearances there is no cite for the Galaxy of Fear book. Wasn't Boba going to hunt him at one point but got called off the hunt? Is worth mentioning for completeness. --Eyrezer 00:45, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Trouble with a user
Hey Hav, I thought I would bring this to your attention. There's been some discrepancy over some info concerning the Executor article, specifically the manner in which it was destroyed. I've asked Vymer to properly source some of the information he insists on sticking in there more than once, and he continuously fails to do so. Not that he's really being a problem, I feel he just doesn't understand how to properly present information, including sourcing it. If you feel like it, concern his talk page and the Executor's talk page to see the history of what I'm talking about. Maybe you could talk to him and explain to him how he needs to source his material or else it needs to be removed. I don't want to turn this thing into an edit war. Thanks. Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:14, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll look into it. Havac 06:20, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * He seems to be correct; the globes have been retconned to be sensors only, but surrounded by projector vanes. I've reworded and more tightly sourced the relevant section. Havac 06:40, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * All right, thanks for the help. Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:48, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Karrde

 * See here for reply. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Talk page ) 07:22, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Inq meeting
There will be an Inq meeting on the 12th/13th at 0:00 UTC. Graestan ( Talk ) 03:30, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

KotOR question
Hi, Havac. Do you know if you can get the Circlet of Saresh over X-box Live? And is going to Exar Kun's tomb one of the few things that got cut by Bioware? Leave me a message on my talk page.--Jedi Kasra 23:53, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

You're back!

 * *Dances jig and prepares for massively long FANs.* Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Talk page ) 06:46, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Massively long? You don't know the half of it. Expect a top-fiver in Tycho. Havac 23:19, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Talk page merges
Ughh... Hi, Havac. Is there any way, and can and should we, put the talk page. Talk:The Revanchist, in the Talk:Revan archives. Please leave me a message here. Thanks.--Jedi Kasra 03:36, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. That might be a better question for one of our more technically-minded admins, like Imperialles. Havac 03:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The Manifesto

 * While I happen to agree with you completely, the manifesto might be seen as violating WP:NPA eight ways from Sunday. Of course, Mr. Karpyshyn isn't a contributor to my knowledge, but that doesn't mean we're given free rein to attack him. jSarek 18:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I shall take appropriate measures. Havac 20:39, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

WotM
Congrats, Havac! Your hard work and dedication is much appreciated!  Master Aban Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 20:01, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Congratulations Havac. --Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 20:44, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Inq meeting
There will be an Inq meeting on the 23rd/24th at 0:00 UTC. Graestan ( Talk ) 11:09, 13 February 2008 (EST)

Wookieequote
Hello Havac! Excellent work you've been doing on the various quote pages for your Featured Article nominations. Perhaps you would consider to join the Wookieequote WookieeProject? If so please do not hesitate to sign up on the project page! All the best, Goodwood   ( Alliance Intelligence ) 02:31, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Celchu SWE
Use anything, or nothing: "A superior pilot, he was a graduate of the Imperial Naval Academy and served as a TIE fighter pilot. But after his homeworld of Alderaan was coldbloodedly destroyed by the first Death Star, the brown-haired, blue-eyed Tycho Celchu switched sides. He quickly became a member of the X-wing Rogue Squadron, participating in both the evacuation of Hoth and the Battle of Endor where, with his own ship out of commission, he flew an A-wing that lured Imperials away from Wedge Antilles and Lando Calrissian as they made a run at destroying the second Death Star. Celchu fought heroically at Bakura and later volunteered to fly a captured TIE fighter on a covert mission to Imperial Center, on Coruscant. He was captured and sent to the prison ship Lusankya before getting free. When he returned to Rogue Squadron, there were many who did not trust him, but his friend Antilles persevered until Celchu was named the squadron's Executive Officer in charge of training new recruits. Because the Rogues' mission on Coruscant had been compromised at least once, they knew there was an Imperil spy in their midst, and pilot Corran Horn suspected Captain Celchu. Shortly after confronting Celchu with his suspicions, Horn's Z-95 Headhunter was disabled and crashed. Captain Celchu was charged with treason and the murder of Corran Horn. During the trial, when things looked hopeless, Horn reappeared with information that not only acquitted Celchu, but restored Alliance trust in the captain."

Also, an entry for Skoloc Celchu: "Tycho Celchu's brother, he was killed when Alderaan was destroyed." Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Chak Fel
You are not allowed to do this. I have reverted your edits, and removed the FA status of Chak Fel. Please follow proper procedure for striking objections in the future. Thank you. --Imperialles 22:31, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

the the the the....
The idea when that CT thread was closed was actually that people should stop claiming that you could never ever say "the Millennium Falcon", even though references to that ship use the definite article the vast majority of times (and similarly with most other ships: Home One's the one exception I can think of offhand.) I think my latest edit to the MoS should reflect what was meant by the conclusion of that thread. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 04:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that looks fine to me. That's what I've been saying we should do anyway. Havac 04:51, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Crap. I messed up a photo upload.
Help me Havac, you are my only hope! I was uploaded a new face shot of Stazi for the Personality and traits section, but it somehow replaced the main Stazi pic from the cover of #21. Can you help me fix this? I am still learning the whole photo upload process. What I was trying to do was keep the old main pic while putting the new head shot down in the P&T section. I appreciate your help. AdmiralNick22 22:37, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Jerec powers
Okay, I get being defensive about the Jerec article's "Powers" section - after all the controversy, I would be too - but that power is clearly Destruction, not some kind of push. The JK manual (which I sited by the way) also mentions that Destruction has powerful knock back. Also, Dark Forces: Rebel Agent has that blast kill Rahn. There is no conflict regarding the power's effects: damage and knock back. See Talk:Force Destruction for more. (btw, I only reverted you once. I thought I had two more before banning was an option? I'm not being sarcastic here; I'm checking my knowledge of current policy). Din&#39;s Fire 997 03:39, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not Destruction. It doesn't do any damage so far as we can tell. Conflating the two is fanon. Sure, it could be, but the evidence doesn't suggest it and there's no way to prove it, so we don't conflate the two. And while one or two reverts isn't grounds for a ban, if you'd kept going and edit warring, you would have been banned. So I issued the warning to cut that problem off right away. Havac 00:49, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter if it did damage or not. We can't tell, you said it yourself, but the fact that it was an energy blast, used by Jerec, with the same knockback effect as Destruction is as close to slid proof as is needed. What you're suggesting is like saying Desann never used Force lightning because it's never named directly. Heck, in-game, the Destruction animation even has that nifty little flash of light as seen in the Rahn scene. Either way, I'm going to edit the article to at least trim out the bit about the landing pad. Now that there's a source for kenetic pushback, that one really can't be contested. Din&#39;s Fire 997 01:38, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You're really not learning, are you? Havac 01:53, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Evir Derricote
Hey, I've nominated Evir Derricote for an FA and so far I think the objections have been addressed, but it seems like not too many people are reading it. Maybe you could give it a look when you have time? --Colinmcev 04:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Mailing list
Hey, Havac. I've set up a private administrator mailing list to help coordinate the current administrators of the site, and I am attempting to contact each administrator to get them to subscribe. You can subscribe here. My point with setting up this mailing list to get all of the administrators of Wookieepedia operating on the same page, and in a more unified fashion. Regardless of any personal differences that may exist between some members, I still feel that it is important that we are all operating on the same level, with regards to knowledge of the site, and new/upcoming stuff that is going to happen&mdash;so, basically, this is an attempt to coordinate us all in an effort to help keep us on the same page with regards to new policies, new ideas, announcements, discussions, etc. In my opinion, we're all on the same team and this will only help us to be a more organized and cohesive working unit&mdash;even more so than we currently are. I've already spoken with a few admins via IRC, and they have liked my point of this whole thing, and have thus signed up&mdash;I would really appreciate it you could do likewise :) Any questions about this, you know where you can reach me. Cheers, Greyman  http://images.wikia.com/central/images/9/9c/Jan.png ( Talk ) 16:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

New email address
Greyman requested on your behalf a wookieepedia.com email address. No problem at all..all admins have access to one. I have sent him the login information to pass along to you, so please get with him about this. WhiteBoy 16:23, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks. Havac 18:40, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Inq meeting
Hey, just letting you know that Meeting Sixteen has now been scheduled. Your attendance and input would be appreciated. Cheers, Greyman  http://images.wikia.com/central/images/9/9c/Jan.png ( Talk ) 04:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Gilad Pellaeon

 * Hi Havac I'm Darth Revanon and I have a question about what you did on Gilad Pellaeons page. The reason I deleted the part at Fondor was because he didn't die on Fondor. So what I did just now was after death instead of saying Death at Fondor, I put Death on the Bloodfin and I was wondering if that was ok?--Darth Revanon 9:57, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * He was at Fondor as in over Fondor, in the battle of Fondor. He was in Fondor space. Havac 02:27, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh yea that is correct. Im sorry for the mistake.--Darth Revanon 1:32, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. Havac 05:47, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Havac its me Darth Revanon again. I was wondering why you banned me from Wookieepedia for speculatory changes when those characters i added Invincible were in the Dramatis Personae which means those characters are going to be in the book??--Darth Revanon 1:00, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Wizards Citation question

 * Havac, I can't get on IRC at the moment, but I was wondering if you knew if we counted articles like this:, which only discusses Luke in the sense of gameplay, as a source. Thanks. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Talk page ) 23:17, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we do, though I'm not sure. Havac 23:19, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Amelia to Allana

 * Hi, can you please move the Amelia article back to Allana? One of the users moved it without discussing it. We took a vote and decided that it should be moved back to Allana.Darth Solus 02:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

GAN
Hey. Just to let you know, I've removed the distorted picture from Q-series droideka. Thanks, -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)  (Chow) 15:43, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Fantastic. Go ahead and strike that for me, as I'm currently unable to log in and the GAN page is anon-protected. Point out this talk page in the edit summary. Havac 04:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Sig
My username is Rushin Sundaws...should I just not put a space in between or what...I'm so confused. Rushin Sundaws 11:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

FAN objections.
Thanks for the notes; I've stricken all of my outstanding objections. 02:52, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Userpage
Hey, Hav. Just letting you know that your userpage was part of a mass-site edit to correct some links. I thought I'd tell you, in case you had any questions about my name in your userpage history. Cheers, Greyman ( Talk ) 19:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Re:I have emerged from the depths of the internet to speak to you on matters of your objections
Yeah, they're both fine. I may get around to reviewing more of the article at some stage, since it's kind of lonely up there. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 12:40, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Rhysode
Hi Havac,

I was re-reading Destiny's Way and got to the Knighting ceremony in the second half of Chapter 20, p. 304 (hardback edition). At the start of the ceremony, Omas cites Rhysode's sacrifice as being honorable and I thought, with the "Legacy of legend" section, that that might warrant inclusion, as Ganner's stand was made public and referred to by the Chief of State etc.

Only thing is, I wasn't quite happy with how it read when I added it, so I thought I'd leave that to you if you want to add it. Cos I didn't want to interrupt the flow of your writing.

Thanks,

Harrar 21:51, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll take a look. Havac 00:39, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

NEGTC
Hello. I'm the new director of WookieeProject: The New Essential Guide to Characters, and I'm trying to improve our output. Our new main focus is Lando Calrissian. He's been a focus of ours in the past, but we've never quite finished work on his article. Let's work together, add information from the remaining sources and get it on the FAN page ASAP. See Forum:Lando Calrissian for a list of sources that still need more information added from them. MTFBWY, and let's get Lando finished and ready for FA!  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 22:07, 24 July 2008 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, I have to say that we are going to continue our work on Lando. I'm sorry, but members of this project have put a lot of time and effort into this article, and it is currently pretty close to FA. We would like to finish it as part of WP:NEGTC. So, sorry, but we're going to leave Lando as our main focus.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 14:56, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I heard that from Ataru. I'm still not really comfortable with where the article is at in terms of quality, but that's fine. I just thought I'd ask. Havac 00:32, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

What's up with my IRC?
I'm not suggesting you had something to do with this, but I have been banned - without any warning or stated reason - from the Wookieepedia IRC. I'm notifying you to see if something can't be done to find out what happened and if it can be reversed. Please see if you or another admin can address this as soon as possible. I will be notifying other admins of this development as well. Erik Pflueger  22:24, 12 October 2008 (UTC)

Jacen
Reading through Prophets of the Dark Side I found this, which might merit inclusion in your Jacen subpage.

''"In the moments before it would be time for her to walk up the carpet and say "I do," Leia calmly put herself in tune with the Force. And for an instant she thought she had a vision of the future.

''It was a glimpse of a time to come-a time when Leia would live with Han peacefully and safely in his sky house, floating in the air near Cloud City. It was also a time after their children had already been born.

''Leia saw Han sitting with their children-there were two of them, one on each knee-as Han told the kids stories about his adventures flying the Millennium Falcon in the days of the great battles against the evil Empire.

''Would their children be twins? Taking a quick breath, Leia wondered if she and Han could possibly handle twins. She struggled to glimpse the hazy vision more clearly, to see whether their children were to be boys or girls-or a boy and a girl? But her vision vanished before the answer came to her.''"

It's obviously before she was pregnant. Hope it's of use. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 22:58, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Havac 00:21, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I guess I am a little biased. Sorry! But read the comic. He DID blind Wedge. I guess the fighter pilot shouldn't offer his views on fighter pilots though. Not that anyone else knows anything...

Jerec edits
Hey Havac, why did you revert my copyedits in the Jerec BtS section without explanation? I thought it would be much more readable and editable if the various discussions and arguments were section-ized. The BtS as it stands now, is way too long. For example Palpatine has many subsections discussing various controversies and inconsistencies. If you don't agree with my scheme, I'd propose that you fix that BtS section in any way you find best or if you see my rationale, let me do it, thanks. MoffRebus 09:51, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * The resectioning solely of two one-paragraph sections didn't really accomplish much. And the change to the paragraph about his appearance simply lost the internal consistency of the prose. Havac 17:39, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Darksider
Hey Havac. I was wondering about the whole darksider vs. dark-sider issue, so I looked in Jedi vs. Sith and on pg. 143 it has it listed as dark sider. So my question is, which one is right? My understanding is that the most recent source is correct, although I may be wrong since there are exceptions. I would really appreciate it if you could clear this up for me. Thanks. Cylka  -talk- 01:01, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * We've worked this out on IRC: a bunch of us looked at a lot of sources, and agreed that the most common spelling was "darksider" and we're going with that. Havac 04:36, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much for letting me know. Cylka  -talk- 17:55, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Re:Klivian
Sure, I'll give him a read. I want to check no-one else is in the middle of reading it first, though. It'll probably be at least the weekend until I get fully through him. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 13:12, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Gah, totally forgot about it. Sorry about that. Now struck. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 00:12, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Whoops. Got it now. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 16:22, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Why leave mention of Jon Vander's emblem on his helmet in, but not allow it for Derek Klivian? The emblem is the exact same one. Compare "Dutch" who flew Gold 1, previously called Specter 1, to "Hobbie" and the description of Specter Squadron's logo. Gethralkin 18:25, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Dutch has about three different emblems on his helmet. You can't tell me which is the Specter Squadron emblem and which isn't, so you can't tell if it appears on Hobbie's helmet or not. Havac 21:53, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The emblem of Specter Squadron is listed on the TheForce.net as having a solid black square with white grid-lines. They received their information from Decipher. Gethralkin 04:41, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Can you produce this source? Havac 05:04, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Specter Squadron emblem sources on TheForce.net, CUSWE.org, and The TFHB Technical DB on the HangarBay. Gethralkin 19:20, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I thought. Those fan sources are making the assumption that it's the gridlines, and not any of the other sigils, that are the Specter Squadron emblem. Actual canon doesn't have anything to say on the matter. Havac 20:54, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * When I played the Decipher game, I always thought the weird-eye-in-the-cloud symbol was the emblem the Dutch Vander card was talking about. Then I saw the grid-line symbol being referenced here with TFN as one of the sources. As regards using TFN and other related sites, the Wookieepedia policy is that these are fan sites that usually contain accurate information, however it is good to double-check it. One exception is that some authorities on certain topics have written extensively on Internet forums, and their writings there are vouched for by them or by other reliable sources. For example, many Star Wars authors frequently post on the starwars.com and theforce.net forums under well-known usernames, and those comments are considered reliable representations of their views. So, just because it is a fan site doesn't mean that it isn't a source. Sure would like to get this cleared up, though so that I can update the article for Shadow Squadron if it needs it. Gethralkin 06:26, 17 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Unverified assumptions on fan sites, no matter how respected, are no substitute for canon. Respectable sites making bad assumptions are still making bad assumptions, and they aren't canon. They're fanon. We don't know what the Specter Squadron emblem is. Havac 06:56, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

Shrike and Thrackan - missing info
Hi Havac I left this on Garris Shrike's talk page but wasn't sure if you got it.

As I recall in Paradise Snare, Han has flashbacks to the time when he evaded Shrike and went to discover his family, ending up finding Thrackan Sal-Solo. After those two get along so famously and stick knives to each other's throats etc, Han gets locked in a cupboard or something by Thrackan, who then contacts Shrike somehow and notifies him. Shrike then comes and picks up Han.

I don't have access to my copy otherwise I'd give page numbers etc, but I think there needs to be an update, unless the "As a child, Solo attempted to run away several times, leading to intense beatings" line is the reference to this occasion; even then, I think this needs expanding upon.

Though you might want to update it yourself.

-- Harrar 12:02, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Added. Thanks. Havac 20:36, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Sniper Major Changes
I'm not admin, but I think I can do some major good on the sniper article, so I was wondering if you could do the thing where no one else edits it for a while but me. Holokin
 * There is no such option. If you want to make changes, just go ahead and edit. But there's no way to give exclusive editing rights to one person and no need for such a system. Just be bold and edit it yourself. Others may have contributions of their own to make, and we can't forbid them from making them. Ultimately, quality will win out. Havac 21:12, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Page move request
Hello Havac, I was wondering if you could move K'Orr Ack'Shek back to its original title of Jundland Banshee? K'Orr Ack'Shek is some sort of made up name, and it appears nowhere in Alliance Intelligence Reports. There used to be some sort of book listed in the sources about the Outer Rim called Star Wars: A Brief History of the Outer Rim Territories where the information might be from, but that article was deleted for being baloney.
 * Thanks for catching that. I've double-checked, and I can't find any evidence for that name, either. I've moved the page. Havac 06:08, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Dynasty/dynasty

 * Doing a quick bout of research, I think the lower case is correct. That's how the dynasties of egypt are named, for instance....I will amend the page title. QuentinGeorge 07:59, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Jagged Fel
Just wanted to apologize about the placement of the Millennium Falcon novel on Jag Fel's list of appearances. I assumed that, because part of the novel does indeed take place in 41 or 42 ABY, it should be placed near the end of the list. In all honesty, I still think that's the way it should be. But it's not that big of an issue for me, so I won't bother arguing over something so pointless. Once again, I'm sorry. Grand Moff Tranner (Comlink) 22:46, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * It's not really a problem; it's what's always been the accepted interpretation of the chronological rule -- place the book where it's set, and place that by when it starts, but it's not explicitly made clear as the interpretation on the page, and it's a bit obscure when you have a book like MF that's ostensibly "set" in 43 ABY in terms of when the "main character" of Han is in it, but which opens in 60 BBY and has several chapters working its way forward, not in any kind of flashback or prologue or "THEN" capacity (which most books would do) before it jumps to 43 ABY. Havac 03:55, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, "default policies" are always very iffy. I know what you mean, of course, but sometimes different people have different default policies and assume everyone else has the same ones as them. For example, I've gone with the "subject's appearance" usage in the two or three times it's come up in my article writing, having conferred with one or two people who basically said that's the 'default policy'. Hydro and Tope (the two I discussed it with in IRC), who I'd say are both longstanding users and frequent article writers, both said they do the same, so obviously that's their 'default policy'. Personally, I think the subject option causes minimal confusion, so people don't see IG-88's Tale right around RotS in Vader's article. Anyway, like you said, a CT would the best way to put the issue to bed, so I'll start one this evening. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 17:32, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

AGTTSWU3e
Hey, Havac. Master Jonathan told me you had A Guide to the Star Wars Universe, 3rd ed. in your collection. Would you mind checking to see if it includes entries for Dulok, Squib, Skor II, Ugor, Pacithhip, Pa'lowick? I'm trying to FA all of these, so I need to know whether to include AGTTSWU3e among the sources. Thanks for any help! ~ SavageBob 11:55, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit rushed for time now, but I'll get you the full entries after the weekend. Havac 20:06, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the help! ~ SavageBob 23:14, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

WookieeProject
Hey! I just started a WookieeProject on real world music, if you wuold like to join. Master Fredcerique 12:46, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

Kol
Hey, User:Grand Moff Tranner told me that Kol was not the leader of the JHC, he was only a leader. You cana ask him about it or see my talk page for the info. --Bold Clone 21:52, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
 * It's in Legacy 0 1/2. Morrigan Corde's entry: "she was once secretly married to Kol Skywalker -- then head of the Jedi Order". Havac 22:16, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

Han Solo's Sky House
I see you've nominated Han Solo's Sky House. I think it gets a mention in a novel (don't remember which, might be Young Jedi Knights or the Thrawn Trilogy), when someone asks Han for his birth certificate, to which he replies "Are you kidding? Mine's back at my skyhouse on Bespin." I'll see if I can find the novel. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie the truth  ) 09:18, 14 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, I don't think it's in YJK or Thrawn, but I'm sure I've read it somewhere. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie  the truth  ) 09:27, 14 May 2009 (UTC)