Wookieepedia:AC/Log/2018 May 20

[01:01:10] Welcome to AC Meeting 104. [01:01:37]  :D [01:04:58]  Go ahead [01:05:02]  I don't have any discussion items [01:05:21]  Me neither. [01:05:23] Cool, neither do I. [01:05:39] Starting off with the articles from last meeting... [01:05:54] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Flatcake/Legends [01:06:03] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7607788 [01:06:09] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Flatcake/Legends [01:06:21] No substantial changes. [01:06:30]  kill [01:06:31]  I don't see anything's been done, really [01:06:33]  Kill [01:06:45] Kill [01:06:45]  Detours isn't mentioned at all [01:06:57] Absentees vote kill. [01:07:07] Flatcake/Legends killed. [01:07:26] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Maladian [01:07:31] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7607790 [01:07:36] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Maladian [01:07:44] No changes. [01:07:48]  kill [01:07:59]  Kill [01:08:01] Kill [01:08:06] Absentees vote kill. [01:08:14] Maladian killed. [01:08:41] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mission_to_suspected_Confederate_space [01:08:46] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7607793 [01:08:52] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Mission_to_suspected_Confederate_space [01:09:04]  I think I bitched about this pretty good at the last Inqmoot: [01:09:09]  Don't try to half-fix articles, people [01:09:12] Some things were changed. [01:09:15]  All it does it create more work [01:09:26]  He did like two minor things [01:09:31]  The third one wasn't good enough [01:09:35]  Everything else is untouched [01:09:38] <Toprawa> Kill [01:09:44] <MasterFred> kill [01:09:49] Kill [01:10:04] Do we just need three votes? [01:10:22] <Toprawa> Yeah [01:10:27] <Toprawa> Actually [01:10:29] <Toprawa> We might need four [01:10:29] <MasterFred> Yep [01:10:30] <Toprawa> I forget [01:10:36] <Toprawa> We go through this like every meeting :P [01:10:38] <Toprawa> Let me check really quick [01:10:39] <MasterFred> I thought it was three. D: [01:10:52] During AgriCorps meetings, absentee votes may be overridden by present members of a given meeting when necessary for the purpose of reaching a decision on a given article. This is done in the event that a new development regarding an article arises that otherwise renders absentee votes/comments obsolete. At least three support votes with less than two opposed from present members will be required to override [01:10:52] absentee votes. [01:11:02] <Toprawa> "With the approval of at least 3 AgriCorps members and less than 2 opposed, an article being considered for removal of GA status can be placed on probation as follows: [01:11:02] <Toprawa> " [01:11:05] <Toprawa> 3 it is [01:11:20] <Toprawa> And this: [01:11:21] <Toprawa> "After a probation period of at least two weeks, a second AgriCorps vote is required to decide whether or not to remove GA status. This vote requires 3 AgriCorps members to agree on the outcome, with less than 2 disagreeing. [01:11:21] <Toprawa> " [01:11:35] <Toprawa> Proceed. :P [01:11:36] Cool, Mission to suspected Confederate space killed then. [01:11:54] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Siene_Symm [01:11:57] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7607794 [01:12:02] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Siene_Symm [01:12:07] No changes. [01:12:15] <MasterFred> kill [01:12:33] <Toprawa> Kill [01:12:35] Kill [01:12:43] Siene Symm killed. [01:12:58] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Krayiss_Two [01:13:01] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7607797 [01:13:09] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Krayiss_Two [01:13:19] No changes. [01:13:22] <Toprawa> Kill [01:13:24] <MasterFred> kill [01:13:31] Kill [01:13:35] Krayiss Two killed. [01:13:51] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chernan_Ordo [01:13:55] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7607802 [01:14:00] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Chernan_Ordo [01:14:07] No changes. [01:14:11] <MasterFred> kill [01:14:37] <Toprawa> Kill [01:14:43] Kill [01:14:48] Chernan Ordo killed. [01:15:03] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mission_to_Mos_Eisley_(Galactic_Civil_War) [01:15:07] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7607805 [01:15:13] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Mission_to_Mos_Eisley_(Galactic_Civil_War) [01:15:21] No changes. [01:15:39] <Toprawa> Kill [01:15:43] <MasterFred> kill [01:15:52] Kill [01:16:06] Mission to Mos Eisley (Galactic Civil War) killed. [01:16:17] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Agrippa_Aldrete/Legends [01:16:22] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7607807 [01:16:30] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Agrippa_Aldrete/Legends [01:16:36] Hanzo did stuff. [01:16:46] <Toprawa> Looks like he got it [01:16:52] <Toprawa> Keep [01:16:57] <Toprawa> Wait [01:16:58] <Toprawa> Damnit [01:17:09] <Toprawa> The article needs a 1stm somewhere [01:17:09] Imperators stated: Agrippa Aldrete (references should be fully linked and properly formatted, look at ref 23, for example. Also shouldn't be used in the Sources in this article) [01:17:23] <Toprawa> 1st isn't appropriate since that film was a deleted scene [01:18:16] <Toprawa> Extend [01:18:26] <Toprawa> Ref 18 is also crappy [01:18:30] <Toprawa> More Citeweb fields should be filled in [01:18:42] <Toprawa> And the old Databank templates are Last name, First name [01:18:48] <Toprawa> Not First name Last name [01:19:02] Extend [01:19:03] <Toprawa> You'd think someone would see this in a meeting eventually [01:19:10] <Toprawa> I only mention it every time [01:19:41] Fred? [01:19:47] <MasterFred> Interesting how the writer would think that, too. [01:20:04] <MasterFred> Sorry, was taking a good look at the article. A lot to look over. [01:20:48] <MasterFred> Why do we even have template documentation? :P [01:20:55] <Toprawa> What do you mean? [01:21:20] <Toprawa> Just say Extend, Fred [01:21:33] <MasterFred> Extend. [01:21:43] <MasterFred> I meant for the Databank template. [01:21:56] Agrippa Aldrete/Legends extended. [01:21:59] <Toprawa> I don't know what "template documentation" is, sorry [01:22:03] <Toprawa> Ask me in another channel [01:22:10] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bulwark_Mark_I [01:22:16] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7607811 [01:22:22] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Bulwark_Mark_I [01:22:29] No changes. [01:22:32] <Toprawa> Kill [01:22:34] <Toprawa> Shame [01:22:40] <Toprawa> dem Bulwarks are kewl [01:22:46] <MasterFred> kill [01:22:47] Kill [01:22:58] Bulwark Mark I killed. [01:23:15] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tzizvvt [01:23:20] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7607813 [01:23:26] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Tzizvvt [01:23:30] Ayrehead did stuff. [01:23:55] <Toprawa> Honestly, I'd like to see the article clean up its image placement [01:24:06] <Toprawa> These were obviously formatted for Monobook, and they look goofy and out of place in Oasis [01:24:18] <Toprawa> Images shouldn't be running into and indenting subsection titles, etc. [01:24:39] There are also some missing backup links that need to be added. [01:24:45] <Toprawa> The second Bio subsection would do nice to have a paragraph break, maybe even another image could be had there [01:24:57] <MasterFred> The image placement is even bad in Monobook. [01:25:52] <MasterFred> Bts not fully sourced. [01:26:03] <Toprawa> Well, Ayrehead apparently fixed the original probation reason, so we'll need to extend for all of these new things [01:26:25] <MasterFred> ugh, extend [01:26:26] Extend [01:26:31] <Toprawa> Extend [01:26:40] Tzizvvt extended. [01:26:55] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Attack_on_Mahranee [01:27:00] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7607815 [01:27:07] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Attack_on_Mahranee [01:27:13] <Toprawa> KILL [01:27:20] No changes related to the objection. [01:27:22] Kill [01:27:28] <MasterFred> kill [01:27:45] Attack on Mahranee killed. [01:27:51] Onto the new articles. [01:28:10] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gar_Berra [01:28:17] a redlink since it became a GA in 2009 and the article never was overlooked by the GAs with redlinks page. Also behind the scenes sourcing needed. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 05:44, May 12, 2018 (UTC) [01:29:09] Did somebody change this after he wrote this? [01:29:30] <MasterFred> I assume so, since both of those items are fixed. [01:29:39] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Gar_Berra&diff=7653321&oldid=7513562 [01:30:07] <MasterFred> yep [01:30:30] <Toprawa> I feel like the intro is kind of wordy [01:30:39] <Toprawa> Compared to the size of the article body [01:30:56] It needs a. [01:31:11] <Toprawa> I just went ahead and added that [01:31:19] <Toprawa> The intro just looks a little big in comparison to the Bio [01:31:51] <Toprawa> Unless we want to compare it in relation to the Bio and P/T [01:31:56] <Toprawa> Since it has a lot of P/T info [01:32:13] Yeah, I can see that for this article. [01:32:14] <MasterFred> I think the last sentence of the intro could be taken out. [01:32:31] <Toprawa> I agree, Fred [01:32:35] Yeah [01:32:39] <MasterFred> And, at least in Monobook, that makes the intro one line shorter. [01:32:40] <Toprawa> We could agree to cut that and just move on without probing nit [01:32:45] <Toprawa> it* [01:32:48] <MasterFred> Thus making it look a lot smaller. [01:32:53] <MasterFred> I'm down. [01:32:56] Let's do it. [01:33:01] <MasterFred> I'll cut it. [01:33:26] <Toprawa> Actually [01:33:33] <Toprawa> The article is missing some stuff [01:33:48] <Toprawa> P/T could mention skin color, lack of hair [01:33:54] <Toprawa> Infobox too [01:34:06] <Toprawa> An Equipment section could mention at least his uniform [01:34:28] <MasterFred> Ah yes, "& traits" [01:34:49] <Toprawa> I should say, the Equipment section does it exist, and it could mention his uniform [01:35:05] <Toprawa> I think the BTS should mention that Sterling Hershey wrote the text [01:35:39] <Toprawa> I'm comfortable probing it for all those reasons [01:35:45] <MasterFred> Same. [01:36:00] Sounds good. [01:36:07] <MasterFred> Probe, then. [01:36:10] Probe [01:36:38] Gar Berra probed. [01:37:00] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Eelo_Begraas [01:37:08] "Troop Movements" doesn't mention any kind of BBY date. The 31 BBY date will need a date reference. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:25, May 16, 2018 (UTC) [01:37:26] BTS also needs to be sourced. [01:37:52] <Toprawa> Jinzler, who wrote all of these Living Force articles, has figured out that the stories' events are set like 10 years before the Clone Wars or something [01:37:56] <Toprawa> But that needs to be explained [01:38:05] <Toprawa> Probe [01:38:19] Probe [01:38:30] <MasterFred> Probe [01:38:50] Eelo Begraas probed. [01:38:56] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Knire_Dark [01:39:03] The 22 BBY date in the Biography cannot be sourced to HNN without a proper date ref. Basically, this article needs to link whatever HNN article that is with the proper citation template. That HNN article will then have a GrS date; this date ref will then need to explain how that GrS date corresponds to 22 BBY. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:30, May 16, 2018 (UTC) [01:39:23] <Toprawa> In other words, the HNN articles never mention BBY dates, only GrS [01:39:40] <Toprawa> The conversion between the two needs to be explained in the date ref [01:39:51] <Toprawa> Probe [01:40:05] <MasterFred> Probe [01:40:05] Probe [01:40:11] Knire Dark probed. [01:40:24] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Grunta [01:40:31] <MasterFred> Bts needs to be sourced. [01:40:31] Rebel Force: Target doesn't mention the 0 ABY date. That will need to be sourced to Essential Reader's Companion with an appropriate date ref. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:35, May 16, 2018 (UTC) [01:40:44] <Toprawa> Additionally, BTS is unsourced, and the Bio should be three paragraphs, not two [01:40:48] <Toprawa> Probe [01:40:55] Probe [01:41:42] <MasterFred> I'd also say that "barely a meter" and "less than a meter" are not the same. [01:41:44] <MasterFred> Probe [01:41:56] <Toprawa> I agree, Fred [01:42:04] Grunta probed. [01:42:29] Anyone have any other articles before I check the maintenance bin? [01:42:34] <Toprawa> Yes, several [01:42:54] <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/OS-72-10 [01:43:18] <Toprawa> I contend that that the Obsidian 10 card in the Sources list should not be listed there [01:43:22] <Toprawa> https://www.starwarsccg.org/cardlists/images/starwars/DeathStarII-Dark/large/obsidian10.gif [01:43:27] <Toprawa> It doesn't mention or show this pilot [01:43:33] <Toprawa> Obsidian 10 is the TIE fighter, not the pilot [01:43:39] <Toprawa> If we can agree to remove that, we can avoid probation [01:43:51] I agree with that. [01:43:59] <MasterFred> I have no way of knowing, so I'll just take your word for it. [01:44:07] <MasterFred> Let's avoid probing. :P [01:44:11] <Toprawa> I just linked the card image so you can judge for yourself :P [01:44:25] <MasterFred> Huh, didn't even notice. XD [01:44:37] <Toprawa> ... [01:44:39] <Toprawa> I removed it anyways [01:44:41] <Toprawa> Moving on [01:44:48] <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jor_Drakas [01:45:10] <Toprawa> This was a recent addition to this article's BTS: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jor_Drakas?diff=7641652&oldid=7561611 [01:45:40] <Toprawa> Maybe Fred can help us here, but I don't believe Bib Fortuna appears in Clone Campaigns, or indeed GB at all [01:45:48] <Toprawa> Those are not listed in his article [01:45:58] <Toprawa> Which would make this BTS referencing bogus [01:46:08] <MasterFred> He does, actually. [01:46:19] <Toprawa> He's in Clone Campaigns? [01:46:51] <MasterFred> He's in Clone Campaigns by virtue of being in GB because the second is a disc that contains all of the original game as well. [01:47:02] <Toprawa> Very well [01:47:11] <MasterFred> rather the first contains both, not the second. [01:47:15] <Toprawa> In that case, I will also nitpick the 22 BBY referencing [01:47:43] <Toprawa> Since Jor Drakas is not mentioned in NEC, just double-referencing his death date doesn't work [01:47:50] <MasterFred> Yeah, that needs to be explained. [01:48:20] <Toprawa> Are there really no other images that can be had of Jor Drakas if he's in this video game? [01:48:40] <Toprawa> It seems pretty lazy to include an image of Sev'rance Tann [01:48:43] <Toprawa> And not Draka [01:48:44] <Toprawa> s [01:48:59] <Toprawa> Apparently he has a yellow lightsaber, so we're seeing him in someplace in the game [01:49:04] <MasterFred> There absolutely are. [01:49:06] I would imagine that getting a picture of the in-game model would be possible. [01:49:18] <Toprawa> I'd like to see at least one if not more images of him specifically [01:49:23] <MasterFred> Having a screenshot of him dueling Tann would be easy. [01:49:42] <Toprawa> I could see the Bio split into two subsection of four paragraphs with two images [01:49:49] <Toprawa> God, I can't type today [01:49:51] <Toprawa> subsections* [01:50:20] <Toprawa> Are there more quotes, Fred? [01:50:42] <MasterFred> I honestly can't imagine there wouldn't be. [01:50:56] <MasterFred> At least about him or to him. [01:51:01] <MasterFred> But probably from him as well [01:51:02] "Jor Drakas' only appearance in Star Wars canon" [01:51:08] This should be reworded. [01:51:19] <MasterFred> haha whomp [01:51:26] <Toprawa> The quotes should at least be looked into, then [01:51:38] <Toprawa> If he's dueling Tann, I can imagine there's some kind of additional quotes [01:51:47] <Toprawa> Probe for all that [01:51:53] <MasterFred> Tann is talkative in the game. [01:52:02] Probe [01:52:08] <MasterFred> Def probe [01:52:18] Jor Drakas probed. [01:52:49] <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gorton_Colu [01:52:52] <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gorton_Colu?diff=7629387&oldid=6437396 [01:53:07] <Toprawa> EJ and I agreed this should probably be looked into and verified by someone [01:53:19] Yeah. [01:53:23] <Toprawa> And I'd like to see the infobox image cropped a little above the head [01:53:30] <Toprawa> There's too much dead space up there [01:53:56] <Toprawa> Probe [01:54:04] Probe [01:54:09] <MasterFred> Probe [01:54:18] <MasterFred> I like more squared infobox images anyway. [01:54:31] Gorton Colu probed. [01:55:07] <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Symponik_Nabooalla [01:55:15] <Toprawa> This needs an update from R2-D2: Beneath the Dome, Fred [01:55:48] <MasterFred> Ah yes, totally forgot about this. [01:56:42] <Toprawa> Probe [01:56:45] Probe [01:56:49] <MasterFred> Yeah, probe. [01:57:05] <Toprawa> It's easy enough [01:57:10] <Toprawa> Shouldn't take you long [01:57:11] Symponik Nabooalla probed. [01:57:17] <MasterFred> yeah, I should be able to fix it Monday. [01:57:20] <Toprawa> That's all I've got [01:57:40] The bin looks empty aside from stuff we already did. [01:57:47] <MasterFred> yep [01:57:52] <MasterFred> I'm good. [01:58:00] Yeah, I don't have anything. [01:58:06] <Toprawa> Perfect. One-hour meeting. [01:58:21] Now for meeting duties... [01:58:44] Exiledjedi is on paperwork. [01:59:00] Fred schedules meeting 105. [01:59:05] <Toprawa> *sad trombone* [01:59:23] Thanks for coming to the (late) meeting. [01:59:27] <MasterFred> haha dang :P [01:59:28] <Toprawa> Thanks, EJ [01:59:34] <MasterFred> Thanks for hosting. [01:59:37] np