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Naddists
The Naddists should be mentioned somewhere in the article, shouldn't they? -- Riffsyphon1024 04:30, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Anonymous contributor 216.175.31.63 meant to add: "The Rumor of him being the greatest sith swordsman who ever lived should be mentioned, and that he took his sword teachings with him to the grave. No one ever has discovered Nadd's sword teachings."  I'm not going to add it myself -- I only know of Nadd through KOTOR 2, and therefore only know he was buried on Dxun, he had a cool lightsaber, and his tomb was poorly guarded. -- Silly Dan 00:37, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)

And I don't recall anything of the sort being mentioned in Tales of the Jedi. MarcK 00:42, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * And since nearly every Sith Lord has ransacked Nadd's tomb (Revan, Malak, Bane etc), I think the statement's more likely to be incorrect. Regardless, it's fanon anyway. QuentinGeorge 05:54, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Actual Apearance?
And did Nadd himself actually made an appearance in Tales of the Jedi: Knights of the Old Republic?Thanks.
 * Only his corpse did. -LtNOWIS 20:31, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Nadd's Death
What is this about the Jedi hunting him and killing him. I thought he just died of old age on Onderon and his heirs used his teachings and continued his line. Is this some new info from the NEC? When did the Jedi come and kill him?
 * Once the Jedi Knights learned of the atrocities taking place on Onderon, they soon dispatched an army to defeat Nadd.

Going back to this again. What source is this reference from? Cull Tremayne 03:57, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Homeworld
What source is there that Onderon is his homeworld? User:RushinSundaws
 * I was also under the impression that Onderon was just a world he chose to conquer. However, since he lived and died their, he should at least be counted as an Onderonian. -- SFH 03:59, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Murder Sadow?
There is a conflict with Tales of the Jedi 2: Ulic Qel-Droma and the Beast Wars of Onderon, Part 2, Arca clearly says that Freedon Nadd made himself a king because he couldn't be the dark lord as long as his master lived. Unless you can explain this, we should add the conflicting canon sources header.--Jinger 05:08, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Freedon Nadd leaves Yavin 4 soon afterwards, intent on becoming the king of ONDERON, a primitive world outside of the Old Republic's boundaries. The fate of Sadow remained a mystery. This quoted from KOTOR2 Chronicles; plus I have the TOTJ comic with me, and I dont see a line about Nadd killing Sadow. Would someone please kindly tell me which source stated that Nadd killed Sadow? Darth Kevinmhk 05:03, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * NEC p.12 "Freedon Nadd then killed his mentor and set about making himself a king..." Charlii 05:35, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. Darth Kevinmhk 06:33, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That just says he killed his mentor, not that this mentor was Naga Sadow. And given that Nadd lived more than six hundred years after the Great Hyperspace War, is it really likely that Sadow was this mentor? That would require that Sadow lived on Yavin IV for almost 700 years, which seems to stretch credibility rather far, I think Jediphile 20:27, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Both above quoted sources and a few more mentiones that Sadow was in hibernation during the centuries and later became Nadd's master. Charlii 20:41, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Arca is wrong. That simple. Simply because a character says something, doesn't make it true. Conflicting sources are only when we see the event, in real time, in two different sources. QuentinGeorge 05:12, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I can accept that Arca could have been wrong, but that still leaves the problem that Nadd made himself king of Onderon precisely because he could not be dark lord while his master lived. If he did kill his master, then why would he be content to be merely king of Onderon? We need him to be king of Onderon and buried there for Star Wars history to be unharmed. I don't know what all the sources say, but making him dark lord seems to contradict established events that must necessarily have happened. Jediphile 02:41, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * What "established events"? The Sith because divided between the Sith-species Sith (True Sith) and the Jedi-turned Sith (Freedon Nadd, Exar Kun) later on as we can see in that new Old Republic MMO. -- Michaeldsuarez  Infinite_Empire.svg ( Activate Holocron ) 14:35, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Quite simply that the events leading up to the Great Sith War demand that Nadd was the king of Onderon. He was a sith lord, but was he a dark lord? The reason for him making himself king of Onderon has always been said to be because he could not be dark lord while his master lived. If we take that away and make him a dark lord, then we undermine the reasons why he became king of Onderon, and he must be in that position for the events leading up to the Great Sith War to unfold as they should and necessarily must according to established Star Wars history. Jediphile 11:30, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It never states when and where Naga Sadow was killed. Perphaps Nadd conquered Onderon, and then he killed Sadow. Anyway, Tales of the Jedi has been retconned many times. -- Michaeldsuarez  Infinite_Empire.svg ( Activate Holocron ) 21:04, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
 * It may not be stated concretely when, why, or by whose hands, but in flipping through Essential Guide to the Force recently (alas, I do not own it) I found a brief quote stating that after his defeat Sadow fled to Yavin and "There, Sadow would die" (page 163, Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force). So, this does not necessarily support that Nadd killed him, but he did, by some means at some time, die on Yavin 4. Vangardt 01:31, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

New Pics
Excellent! Kudos to whoever did that. It improved this article. DarthMalus 18:30, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Ya, I uploaded them. You can just check by clicking on the pic :) Darth Kevinmhk 02:49, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Maybe there's enough pictures already, but this one is too dark and doesn't really show anything but special effects and a pack of sith that has little to do with the temple itself, maybe one of these would be more appropriate.--Jinger 10:45, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Trying with the 3rd one. Darth Kevinmhk 14:45, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

<<<<<>>>>>>> AS I wrote in the discussion about Darth Traya/Kreia, it is interesting to note about Freedon Nadd here in reference to the comment (Darth Traya thread) that Freedon Nadd wasn't strong enough to become a Sith Lord and therefore settled on Onderon; the words of the Mandalorean guide for the Exile's companions exploring his tomb was something akin to: "He (Nadd) was far worse than Revan or Malak ever were." -Mikda Fopal
 * Reasonable, because Nadd ruled 1 world only, while Revan / Malak / Sidious etc ruled countless worlds. Nadd indeed may not be as strong as the others. Darth Kevinmhk 02:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * By the way, loved the article. Good work. - User:Mikda Fopal
 * Thank you. Darth Kevinmhk 02:50, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Combat Skills.
I’ve also played KOTOR 2 many times and agree with Silly Dan on Korriban kreia dose say Freedon Nadd was the greatest swords man ever and took his skills to his grave so it should be mentioned. User:Kami-Sama
 * Can you provide more details? Because I haven't played the sequel. Can you, like, supply the actual quote of Kreia for reference? Darth Kevinmhk 13:41, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

I cant tell you the exact quote but I can provide more details, ok ready The ebown hawk lands in the valley of the dark lords there is then a small scene were kreia says she wont step foot on korriban but she will provide the Jedi exile with help though the force, any way after you leave the hawk you see the valley of the dark lords the valley has been abandoned by the sith and the entrances of the tombs have been buried und rock and stone making it impossible for the Jedi exile to enter them. anyway whilst in the valley you have the option to find out about the dark lords in the tombs to do this you just walk up the buried entrance and a cut scene will come on were kreia tells you about them and if you walk up to Freedon Nadds tomb kreia will tell you about his lightsaber skills and how he was the best. (Note) freedon nadds body was not buried in the tomb like you said in your article but he still has a place among the dark lords of the sith. User:Kami-Sama

nem13: Kreia was speaking about Tulak Hord, not Nadd. You are mistaken.

The Dark Lord
Hi, I know that Nadd was the Dark Lord but in the TOTJ KOTOR2, Arca says that he was not because of the living Dark lord. Also The Dark Side Source book says that he was not. I want to know where exactly is spoken that Nadd was the Dark lord, Which source has info about it. Im sorry about my english I hope u will understand --193.179.203.1 09:55, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe that the first source to name Nadd DLotS was Factfiles. This was later expanded in the NEC with an explanation of how Nadd killed Sadow. Charlii 12:32, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Apologies
My fault, Greyman for interrupting your edits. I wasn't paying attention and hadn't read the request not to edit. My apologies. Tommy 03:20, 26 December 2007 (UTC)User:Tommy9281, 10:15pm 12/25/2007

born and death date
I think the dates in this article are false. A looked the given sources and couldn't find these dates. Other sources say he died in 4,400 BBY. Darth Morrt 15:32, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Which sources? --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 16:48, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my bad. Jedi vs. Sith: EGTTF says on page 17, Arca went to Onderon 400 years after Nadd's death. But on the top of the same page it says Nadd went to Onderon 600 years after the Hyperspace War. So this dates are very approximate. On the other hand the Dark Side sourcebook and Tales of the Jedi Companion says, Nadd went to Onderon 4,400 BBY. So he can't be born in 4,400. I didn't find 4,350 as dying date in the referenced source. Darth Morrt 20:54, 29 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, he was apparently born the same year that he killed his master.--Jr98466 05:47, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

Nadd's ship.

 * In the Dark Lords of the Sith comic there is a pic of the Freedon Nadd's starship that brought him to Onderon. It is quite big, and converted into Jedi outpost. I think this shoud be mentioned in the article.Darth Morrt 13:04, December 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree. It is a major component of his transition from the order to king of Onderon.Gratulor - User Page 22:29, April 27, 2010 (UTC)

Dark Wars or Jedi Civil War?
I changed it to Dark Wars and I Think I'm right, but it was changed back, so maybe I'm wrong. Can I get a reason why it's considered during the Jedi Civil War and not the Dark Wars? Thanks. VadersFist666 06:09, June 22, 2010 (UTC)