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Known survivors of Order 66

 * Order 66 wasn't the only part of the Purge, just its official start. It might make more sense to title that subsection simply "Known survivors", to keep in consideration those who escape the entire escapade. --SparqMan 18:37, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. Fixed, by the way. --Imperialles 18:43, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Was Morgan Katarn a Jedi? I was under the impression he was just a Rebel sympathizer whose son Kyle became a Jedi.  Silly Dan 19:29, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, my mistake. --Imperialles 19:30, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Quinulan Vos did survive. I read yhe summary of Republic 83 and he was alive. I am putting him on the survivor list--wattamb2000

Wikipedia entry
Some good content here. A list of recorded deaths might be good if it includes some details (where, as part of Order 66, by Vader, etc.) --SparqMan 18:45, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * While I admit it looks good, it's a little pointless, seeing as we then would have to list all Jedi killed during the Purge... --Imperialles 18:47, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I suggested something similar on the Order 66 page *shrug*--Fade 18:49, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I didn't like the idea then because it would be incomplete, but after seeing it done there, I think it would help the article. It also needs more details on Vader's post-Order 66 hunts. --SparqMan 18:52, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Alpha
I had put Ood Bnar in the "O" section because it didn't seem that Bnar was a surname, but a part of his whole name. --SparqMan 13:22, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Known Victims

 * Um there is some major problems with this list. For one, some of these Jedi may not have been actually killed at all. Second, if they were killed, it was definately not in the way Stated here. For example, A'Sharad Hett was at Salecumai while the Temple was raided. QuentinGeorge 22:26, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Jocasta? Bultar? Killied? And, who is this Norogald Jedi?--wattamb2000
 * Jocasta was killed by Vader defending the Jedi Archives, at least according to the RotS video game. While I as a rule don't accept stuff from games off hand, this makes sense, and IMO should be treated as canon until something of a higher canonical order says otherwise. --Jad Jermain
 * Ferus Olin may well die during the Purge. Depends on the outcome of his duel with Malorum in The Last of the Jedi: Death on Naboo
 * Accoding to the actress who played Aayla Secura, in an brife interview reported on the Force.net, her character didn't die in RotS. Since the interview took place after filming was compleated, it would seem she knows something we don't (the allusion in the artical being Aayla Secura would show up in the live action TV serise). Considering that Aayla Secura's injuries, while crtical, were not explictly fatal, the possability that Aayla Secura survived Order 66 should be considered. To this end, I added the modifier "ostensibly" to her entry to recognize that there is some ambiguity to her fate. It was removed in a later update, but I think it should be there until it can be stated with certainty Secura was a victim of Order 66. --Jad Jermain
 * Is the victims section for major characters only? as I could add one or two other names otherwise, seems to me it would be interesting to ave a list of all jedi killed in the purge HavetStorm 19:01, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * All known victims, yes. Which names are you planning to add? Admiral J. Nebulax 20:35, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)

A little rewording
I did some rewording of the second and third paragraphs. The original article wasn't specific about the fact that Anakin and Darth Vader were the same person, nor did it even mention that Anakin fell to the Dark Side. I know we as Star Wars fans tend to take for granted that people already know that, but it still seemed a glaring omission, so I corrected it.

Also I mentioned that Palpatine created the fiction that the Jedi were trying to overthrow the Republic, and used his story to justify (both to Vader and to the public) the destruction of the Jedi. Ekedolphin 08:31, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)

*Did* Obi-Wan survive it?
The article states that the Great Jedi Purge started in 18 BBY and ended in 0 BBY with the "death of Obi-Wan Kenobi and emergence of Luke Skywalker". It could be argued that Obi-Wan was, in fact, ultimately a victim of the Jedi Purge, 18 years after it started-- since that act was committed by Vader, who was mainly responsible for carrying out the Purge. Thoughts? Ekedolphin 08:31, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, in a way, he is both a survivor and a victim. We could have it by having his name in both the "Survivors" and "Victims" sub-catagories. All we need to do is add that information I had put next to his name in both catagories. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 12:06, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Nearly every source puts Kenobi as a survivor of the Purge. So, technically, it ends just *before*his death. QuentinGeorge 12:21, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * There's also the idea that because he found and confronted Vader in the Death Star and Vader didn't find and kill Obi-Wan while he was hiding, that Obi-Wan did in fact survive the "Purge."Astrobot 17:57, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * The Wikipedia article divides the survivors into people who survive Episode 3 and people who outlive the Empire.-LtNOWIS


 * Okay, then. I'm going to removed Obi-Wan's name from the survival section. He died at the hands of Darth Vader in 0 BBY, so he didn't outlive the Empire. But Yoda, he died of old age, therefore he survived the Purge. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 12:00, 18 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I've done the reverse, since every source states Obi-Wan is a survivor. QuentinGeorge 02:40, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)
 * Why? HE DIED AT THE HANDS OF VADER IN 0 BBY. That's enough proof that he DIDN'T survive. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 16:10, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)
 * Every source says that Obi-Wan is a survivor of the Purge. Period. QuentinGeorge 20:42, 21 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Still, you don't get the point. He died during the Purge at Vader's hands. Originally, I had said that the Purge ended before his death, but as it says above, there is a section on Wikipedia that says those who outlive the Galactic Empire. Clearly, Obi-Wan didn't survive the Empire. He was a victim of the Purge because Vader had killed him like many others. So, I am going to revert it to the way having Obi-Wan as a victim. Unless, we put his name in both sections like I had before and note that this his survival/non-survival is disputed. There's really no other way, unless we want to start an edit war like with Palpatine, locking the page, and making it the discission of a sole vote. Until we come to a truce, I won't revert it. So, do we have a deal? Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:25, 21 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I say have him as both survivor and non-survivor. --Master Starkeiller 14:29, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Still waiting for your answer, QuentinGeorge. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:10, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * What? My answer was that every source clearly define Obi-Wan as one of the few Jedi to survive the Purge. He is a survivor. The movies and the EU both say this. Period. And Darth Vader didn't *actually*kill him - Obi-Wan turned into a force spirit before the blade touches him.
 * PS Yoda didn't survive the Empire either - neither did most of the Jedi on that "survivor" list.   Being "killed" by Vader and being a victim of the "purge" aren't the same things. QuentinGeorge 20:47, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * From the databank - The Jedi were branded as enemies of the state. Palpatine's new Sith apprentice, Darth Vader, razed the Jedi Temple in a nighttime attack carried out by loyal clones. As the Empire came to power, the Jedi were all but extinct. A few survivors, Obi-Wan Kenobi and the Jedi Master Yoda, were able to train the first new Jedi in a generation. QuentinGeorge 20:49, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, you're wrong about one thing: When Vader killed him, did he not become A VICTIM of the Jedi Purge? When a Jedi is killed by Vader any time between 19 BBY and 4 ABY, that Jedi becomes a victim of the Purge. Plus, you completely destroyed my attempt to come to a truce. All you are doing is saying, quote, "This is ridiculous". Well, Mr. I'm-so-right, I don't see any creative ways of fixing this mess coming from you. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:41, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * You might want to stop taking things so personally. If I edit your work, I'm not making a personal comment, I'm merely trying to correct the article. From what I'm now finding in various EU sources, the Purge was well over by 1 BBY, so any Jedi still alive by then can be considered to have "survived". "The Purge" wasn't just Darth Vader killing Jedi, it refers to a specific period of history where the hunt was systematic. QuentinGeorge 06:36, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I should note now after my changes that the article is now consistent, as: 1) Obi-Wan is on the survivors list, where we also had people who died BEFORE him. 2) The date has it ending the same year as the GCW starts, just as we have described in the text. QuentinGeorge 06:42, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, I admit that I overreacted. I apologize. In fact, the way you have it now is actually better. Let's just forget all about this now. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:04, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe we can put what year Obi-Wan dies in next to his name, since he survived most of the Purge. He didn't die right away like lots of the victims, yet he was still a victim. We could do that with other Jedi that are hard to decide whether or they are victims, too. Just an idea . . . Lanne Thel-Tanis 19:57, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It didn't end in 0 BBY, it ends when Vader killed the dark woman (1 BBY), see jedi purge. and it didn't start in 18 BBY, it starts with the showdown on coruscant(19 BBY, the death of mace, agen, saessee an kit) Dajasj 10:43, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Jerec and Jorus?
Jerec didn't become go Dark until after the Purge had began, as he'd missed out on the Clone Wars entirely while off doing arcehology somewhere. Should he be included? Also, wasn't the original Jorus C'Baoth, not the Clone, said to have served the Emperor at some point? I was thinking perhaps he could be listed as a possible survivor. -CBR2345
 * Jorus C'Baoth was the special Jedi Advisor to Senator Palpatine. Also, he was killed when Thrawn attacked the Outbound Flight. -- SFH 16:37, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Ferus Olin

 * Can Ferus be called a survivor of the Purge? There is a very big possiblity that he'll die in The Last of the Jedi series. He should be moved to the "Fates Unknown" list. Novajoe23 01:34, 22 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, as of now, he's a survivor, but a quote from #2 ("I lie in your destiny" from Darth Vader) makes me think that he gets killed off. So, it would be best for the move. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 21:20, 22 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I think that as long as he is known to be a survivor, he should be listed as such. Once the series confirms him as killed, however, he should be moved. - Angel Blue 451 19:54, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, he should be in "Fates Unknown", since his fate is currently unknown. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:06, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * He's supposed to have died on Alderaan when the Death Star killed it.—Darth MalevolousSith Emblem.svg( Through power I gain victory. ) 23:00, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope. Ferus was off-planet when Alderaan was destroyed as indicated by Rebel Force: Hostage.

bear clan?
should we add the bear clan as fate unkown?24.63.167.114 20:14, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)p.h
 * Wasn't the Bear Clan made up of younglings? All the younglings were killed. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:39, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * but i once read that some of the bear clan survived. hasn't any one else read this comic!
 * All the younglings were killed by Vader. We have the movie to show us that. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:52, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Do we know that for sire that those younglings we saw were of the Bear Clan? It's best to look this up in the databank. - TopAce 20:59, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * It said in the Episode III Visual Dictionary that Anakin slaughtered all of the younglings, if I remember correctly. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:04, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Really? The databank says nothing about it, the number III is not even boldened. - TopAce 21:08, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure it said it in the Visual Dictionary. But the Databank screws things up a lot. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:13, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I think we shuold change things until it is confirmed that it was the bear clan. I just watched ep.3 and there aren't any alian children in the concil chambers when vader walks in. could this mean that if it was the bear clan than some children like jempa and Ashla had been promoted to aprentices? like a jedi master in the cartoon clone wars said {forgot name} "we need as many jedi knights as posible. 24.63.167.114 22:34, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)p.h
 * Well, if they did become apprentices, they would most likely still have still been at the Temple, meaning Vader would have slaughtered them anyway. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:42, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Not nesesseraly. what if they were off fighting in the clone wars and escaped order 66? Quinlin vos, yoda,obi-wan,vima-da-boma{or something to that efect} survived whos to say they didn't? 24.63.167.114 02:03, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)p.h
 * Those were all extremely skilled Master's. You're talking about younglings, not even padawans. You have to except the fact that the Bear Clan was probably wiped out. Most likely by Darth Vader himself. And please do not cite that comic you say you read where Luke Skywalker met Jempa as proof of his survival. I'm not trying bite the anon's here, but you haven't named the comic itself, so you'll understand our skepticism. -- SFH 03:21, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * "Probably" does not cut it in the Star Wars universe. Until a canon source undoubtedly confirms the killing of the clan, or their survival, we cannot assume them to be either. They were underdogs yes, and they probably would have been killed, but in the Star Wars universe, the underdog has been known to succeed. I suggest they be added to "fates unknown". --Unkempt Madclaw18:06, 3 Jan 2007

sure. 24.63.167.114 13:17, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)p.h

One issue not addressed here is the "children of the Jedi" from the book of the same name. The NEC has re-classified them as surviving younglings (and simultaneously handed Barbara Hambly the Golden Greedo for most pre-prequel material retcons). No, Bear clan is not specifically mentioned, but younglings DID survive the Purge... somehow. Dangerdan97 05:09, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * "Somehow" is the key word there. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:16, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Not all the younglings were killed. Well, ok, as of now there are no definite, known, named survivors. But it seems kind of illogical to say that every single youngling was killed. I think that at least a few survived. Lanne Thel-Tanis 20:06, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, in Star Wars: Dark Times Paralells the fact that younglings escaped is canonized. The Soaring Hawkbat Clan, in fact.—Darth Malevolous( Through power I gain victory. ) 22:59, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Saesee, Kit, Mace, Agen
Were they really the victims of the Purge? I don't think so, it started with the enaction of Order 66. They were killed before that happened. - TopAce 14:17, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * It could be argued that the Purge began with the so-called 'Jedi Rebellion'. These Masters died at Palpatine's hand, and since he began the Purge, they could be seen as the first casualties - Kwenn 14:18, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with the names remaining there, I just want to discuss it. All the comment I can write is that the Jedi Rebellion was not official, while the Purge was. The Jedi Rebellion was something that Palpatine used for something to accomplish his goals. It was not true that the Jedi wanted to overthrow the government, while the Purge did exist and had a very specific goal. - TopAce 14:26, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * These Jedi were the first to be exterminated as traitors to the lawfull goverment. That makes Agen Kolar the first Purge victim. --Master Starkeiller 14:27, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Kolar had the greatest honor of becoming the first Purge victim. That's funny. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:49, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Funny how Agen 'Hey-What's-That-Over-There-Huh?-What-Lightsa...' Kolar is not only the first victim but also the most undeserving of the accolade - Kwenn 20:55, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:56, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * yeah,but saesee didn't do much better, he just looked at kolar die kind of sadly then got killed, heh. at least Kit Fisto actually fought.--75.50.57.82 00:41, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

AGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!
AAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! SOMEONE deleted half of the survival unknown section!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 * That "someone" was me. I took them out because Star Wars: Purge has confirmed them to be dead. QuentinGeorge 02:05, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * oh..............o.k
 * Chill out. If someone removed it, you don't have to make such a big deal out of it. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:09, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Even voloff monon or what ever his name is from the cartoon is dead??????? P.h 00:07, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)p.h
 * Probably. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:10, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * There doesn't appear to be a survival-unknown section in the current version at all. Was it deleted? I was going to check to see whether Chase Piru, Dass Jennir and Drake Lo'gaan were listed. --Andrew Nagy 23:39, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

"Survivors"?
An'ya Kuro and Echuu Shen-Jon seems to be in the same category as Obi-wan. They lived until 1 ABY, but they died at Vader's hands. Ylenic It'kla was blown up by the Death Star, so while not killed by the Purge, he didn't really survive it either. Sian Jeisel's article says fate unknown, but I don't know whether it needs to be updated or the list of survivors does. Sia-Lan Wezz should be put in fate unknown, due to poor continuity. Linkman95 18:04, 20 January 2006 (UTC) Sian Jeisel died because she activated a Thermal Detonator. But that happened during Order 66. Sia-Lan Wezz was stabed in the chest and then had her arm cut of.Master Jake Mundi
 * It clearly says in the article when the Purge ended. All Jedi who died afterwards did not die in the Purge. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:18, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Correct - if they died 1 bby or later, they survived the Purge. QuentinGeorge 21:46, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * See? Admiral J. Nebulax 23:17, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I must have read BBY as ABY. My bad. But that still doesn't explain Sian Jeisel or Sia-Lan Wezz. Linkman95 23:04, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Sian Jeisel&mdash;survivor, Sia-Lan Wezz&mdash;victim. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:22, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Comparison between the Great Jedi Purge and the Holocaust
The Holocaust was the systematic annihilation of six million Jews by the Nazi regime during World War 2. In 1933 approximately nine million Jews lived in the 21 countries of Europe that would be occupied by Germany during the war. By 1945 two out of every three European Jews had been killed. The European Jews were the primary victims of the Holocaust.

But Jews were not the only group singled out for persecution by Hitler’s Nazi regime. As many as one-half million Gypsies, at least 250,000 mentally or physically disabled persons, and more than three million Soviet prisoners-of-war also fell victim to Nazi genocide. Jehovah’s Witnesses, homosexuals, Social Democrats, Communists, partisans, trade unionists, Polish intelligentsia and other undesirables were also victims of the hate and aggression carried out by the Nazis.

The Great Jedi Purge (also known as the Jedi Holocaust) was comparable to the Jewish Holocaust (see above), but was the entire annihilation of the Jedi Order by the Sith Lord Darth Sidious upon the formation of the Galactic Empire.

Why did Palpatine hate the Jedi? Holocaust happened because Palpatine call upon to the Jedi as a rebellion against the Galactic Republic. They believed the Jedi are conspired to create a shadow of seperatism using Dooku as the enemy's leader. They even tried to assassinate the head of government after Palpatine revealed as Darth Sidious. When the Galactic Empire came to power they eventually decided that the Jedi should be exterminated. - BryanSee If you survived more than a year after order 66 was given then, in my opinion, your a survivor. --Gran Moff Lando yeah it really shouldn't, but whatever. interesting comparison, though the holocaust lasted shorter and more deaths (i thik) of the jedi purge, so even though order 66 lasted a day WW2 was more violent--75.50.57.82 00:47, February 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, we knew why Palpatine hated the Jedi. He was a Sith Lord. And Palpatine made the Senate believe that the Jedi were enemies because of the "assassination attempt". The Senate didn't execute Order 66 and the Great Jedi Purge&mdash;Palpatine, the Sith Lord Darth Sidious, did. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:40, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Except that Order 66 only lasted one day. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 00:46, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * DAMN IT! The term Holocaust should never be used unless refering to the real world thing!--Darth shohet 20:09, 14 March 2009 (UTC)

Shaak killed by Vader?
I read in this article it says that Shaak Ti was killed by Darth Vader in the Jedi Temple. I remember on a deleted scene in Episode III that she was killed by Grievous on the Invisible Hand. Although in LEGO Star Wars: The Video Game she is cut down by Anakin in a hologram. Which one is true?Darthtyler 02:16, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Databank says she was killed by Vader during the Order 66 assault on the Temple. The hologram was meant to showcase this (I heard it was cut from the movie). She was originally going to die onboard Invisible Hand, but that got cut.TIEPilot051999 02:22, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
 * ...and replaced by this death. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:45, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
 * But now we know (thanks to "Insider") that she was never killed, and she escaped the purge completly. -Lord vader1414 23:27, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * At least the Raid on the Jedi Temple. Someone probably killed her later on in the Purge. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 23:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well we all know now that Starkiller killed Shaak Ti 90.211.84.250 08:21, 26 April 2009 (UTC)
 * there is a deleted scene which is not on the dvd in EP III:
 * "Extended Order 66 and Temple Purge shots, and others, in which the deaths of Barriss Offee, Luminara Unduli, Whie, Bene, Cin Drallig, and Shaak Ti are seen. In this cut version of Shaak Ti's death, Darth Vader enters the meditation chamber in which she's concentrating and proceeds to stab her in the back."(Scenes cut from Star Wars)Dajasj 10:46, December 28, 2009 (UTC)

Survivors
What I don't get is that we know some jedi like Kai Hudorra survived and went into hiding, so did K'Kruhk. So either they were later killed by Vader or others, or they survived. Does that mean that they'll appear in the Rebellion comic series due out later this year? We know that some Jedi survivors took part in the galactic civil war, although most gave their lives.
 * No, that doesn't mean they'll be in it. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) Imperial_Emblem.svg 18:19, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

Lucas-quote?
I see there's some debate about Lucas' own thoughts regarding the survival/demise of other Jedi besides Obi-Wan and Yoda in the Rebellion era. Now, I distinctly remember a quote from him in a magazine or interview, where he mentioned when asked, that "other Jedi did survive/probably survived, but the story of the films didn't focus on them". Anyone remember the source? VT-16 06:50, 7 April 2006 (PDT)
 * I think I also read it... Dammit, I can't remember. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) Imperial_Emblem.svg 13:29, 7 April 2006 (PDT)

Shaak Ti
From what I read in the new Insider issue and saw on its cover, Shaak Ti has not actually died yet. For now, I am going to place her name in the "Survival unknown" section. If you disagree with this, please discuss it here before we accidently start an edit war. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 22:16, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Jedi Holocaust

 * Erm, when was it ever called that? &mdash;MarcK [talk] 12:40, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the answer is never. I'm removing it again. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 12:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Survival unknown/MIA section.
Do we really need an explanation for each? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 01:29, 25 May 2006 (UTC) I have a question, why is Vos listed as an M.I.A. he did survive, in fact George Lucus told is staff to not to kill him, and that his factBobafettH23 02:01, 29 July 2006 (UTC) Well if he survived he should be listed as a survior all we know is he will die eventually, but if he survived untill 1BBY he is a survivorBobafettH23 15:39, 29 July 2006 (UTC) Is their any chance that we will know soon?BobafettH23 18:56, 29 July 2006 (UTC) Well, thanks anyway.BobafettH23 21:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No. Should we remove the less important ones? -Lord vader1414 23:28, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I say we remove all explanations in the article, no matter what section. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 23:31, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * alright then, let's. -Lord vader1414 23:32, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I just want to make sure no one objects. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 00:52, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I like the explanations, and don't see any good reason to remove them. So unless you can provide good reasons, I think we should just keep them. --Azizlight 00:58, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the important thing on this article is to show whether they survived, died, or if their fate is unknown, correct? Plus, if one wants to know how they died, they could just look at it on the character's article. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 01:01, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Good point. Let's just delete them. -Lord vader1414 00:40, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm going to wait a bit, though. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 02:25, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Hm... I suppose that's best. But before we do anything, we should get a vote on this. All in favor? (I'm in favor, of course). -Lord vader1414 03:28, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Consensus track, perhaps? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 13:04, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that works. -Lord vader1414 18:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I have a feeling it might not go in our favor, but we can always try. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 20:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * If it saves space, then it just might. Let's give it a shot. -Lord vader1414 20:36, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I really don't think saving space would be a factor in it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 22:28, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, well, then how could we back this up? -Lord vader1414 23:51, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Simple: The neccissary information is on the articles for the Jedi. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 23:54, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I still think we should keep the explanations. They explain exactly how the Great Jedi Purge was executed. And since the article is about the Great Jedi Purge, I think the information is very useful. --Azizlight 00:01, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Doesn't the main portion of the article already explain how the Great Jedi Purge was executed? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 00:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * He survived Order 66. His fate as of 1 BBY, the end of the Great Jedi Purge, is unknown. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 13:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * We don't know if he's alive as of 1 BBY, BobafettH23. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 17:08, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Who knows. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 19:54, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 23:19, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Aftermath

 * In the aftermath section of the article, there's a picture of a female jedi labled as "Jedi in disguise".

Is she an unnamed survivor or another a picture of a different subject? Is her name known?
 * I think she's unnamed as of now. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 15:55, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * But is she of that period of time or another?
 * I don't know. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 13:52, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Does the text below the picture in the book reference the purge? If so she is likely a survivor. Xeran 23:15, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't have the book. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 00:00, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Shaolin junk
Is it just me or is the whole Shaolin comparison thing really, really, really, really weak? It really has very little in common with the Jedi Purge at all, except in the broadest sense of "The government didn't like them so they killed them? It seems to me like that part was written by one of those anime-obsessed, lifeless, dateless, nerds that gives science fiction fans a bad name. delete it. or at least clean it up for pete's sake. and yeah, the guy of the shaolin stuff seems to be like a lifeless anime-obssesed, I hate that people, they act too weird. again
 * It looks fine to me. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 00:30, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * For me, the purge looks more like the templar stuff rather than the shaolin, am gonna delet the shaolin junk. Jak-Esz

Other "Last of the Jedi" Hypothesis
"The last of the Jedi you will be" can be logically resolved with other survivors of the purge rather easily. All you have to do is consider the fact that Yoda is capable of error. This statement can be construed as imperfect, limited character dialogue instead of omniscient, cannon-defining knowledge. It is possible that Yoda was wrong.

It is possible that Yoda was operating only on what he knew and spoke in error. It is possible that Yoda was speaking from his own opinion and was wrong out of ignorance. It is possible that Yoda lied to Luke to get him to do what needed to be done. That wouldn't be the first time that Luke was decieved by Jedi. This not only harmonizes with the theme of Luke's personal story, but allows for more latitude for Jedi during the rebellion era.

At the same time, it does not make Yoda's line worthless. The statement was an important motivator for Luke and contributed to the downfall of the Empire... even if it was incorrect or a lie.

As a parting word, I would say that Yoda himself did not believe his own words in this case. He contradicted these very words when he stated that Luke was not the last hope. Yoda declared that there "is another." We all assume he meant Luke's sister, but that was an assumption that Luke jumped to. He could have been refering to Master [Fill in the blank] since Yoda never clarified his statement by naming the identity of this second chance hero. On the other extreme, he could have prophetically meant Vader since it was Anakin that actually killed the Emperor. We cannot get into the mind and intent of Jedi Master Yoda.
 * Please keep all opinions off of talk pages. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 20:58, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

He's saying that the sentiment of an individual is subjective and can't necessarily be regarded as a universal fact. This is a valid point. Hence, you wouldn't take the statement, "hokey religions are no match for a blaster" as a fact of canon, even though it was explicitly stated. Actually, there is no evidence to suggest that the little green guy could even know if all the jedi were gone (in EU material he believed Kenobi to be dead when he was not).

As far as opinions go, jack, nearly every talk page on this site is littered with yours. The inferences the person above made are qualified by 'possiblies' and 'coulds', just as a great number of your comments are. You just seem to take issue with the opinions that differ from yours, and thats why you probably wouldn't make for the best admin. I mean no offense, only constructive criticism, and it's one of the downsides to wiki's when you have an individual who wants control over the contents of a wide ranged subject (yes, this is more a response to reading over many talk pages).
 * Let me clarify: A long hypothesis on a certain subject should not be on talk pages. And I don't litter talk pages with opinions, as you put it. Besides, "possibilities" and "coulds" are one's opinion, not a fact. And don't rub salt into wounds. You wouldn't like it either. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 20:44, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Conclave of Kessel image
Now there is enough room for the image in the Conclave section, there's no reason to put it back to the Battle of Kashyyk.--Gonzalo84 16:42, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Once again, I disagree. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 20:41, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Care to elaborate? If the image is slightly shrunk, it fits fine in the relevant section.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 23:02, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks absolutely fine to me in the appropriate spot. -- Ozzel 23:04, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The following are the page with the conclave image in the conclave section rendered in Firefox and Internet Explorer on 3 different resolutions. I don't see any problems with any of them. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 23:47, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Screwed Up?
I just cited the sources, and if I screwed up any thing, please tell me.-- Darthchristian 15:51, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Better main image

 * While the image itself is good, I think we need a smaller image. It's too stretched out.
 * Agreed. I'll see what I can do. Darthchristian 21:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No, that image is the perfect image for the article. What do you mean stretched out? - JMAS 22:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I mean its too tall and stretches out the infobox too far down. I think a small horizontal rectangular image would be much better.

Source???
Anyone have the source for image:jediinddisguise.jpg???? We need it sourced so the Great Jedi Purge can become a FA. Darthchristian 3:12, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

nice article
very pleasing :)
 * Keep all pointless comments off of talk pages. We're not a forum. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) Imperial_Emblem.svg 23:28, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps you should abide by your own rules one day, Jack. Thefourdotelipsis 23:52, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * And perhaps you should stop being annoying one day, Fourdot. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) Imperial_Emblem.svg 13:54, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * And perhaps the both of you could calm down and not attack each other? -- Ozzel 22:55, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Jedi Hunters
-Since this article is so closely related to Jedi Hunters, I would like to associate it with the category I created. If I do not hear any arguments soon, I will do so. Micah Giett 17:36, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That category is for people who hunt Jedi, not for galactic events that involved the killing of Jedi. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 22:06, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Survival or Death?
What happened to Quinlan Vos, Tholme, Shaak Ti, Judaryl's master, Jerec, Jambe Lu, Kai Hudorra, "Justice" Jedi, "Wonder Woman" Jedi, Ferus Olin, Ekria, Filli Bitters, and all those other Jedi, that survived Order 66? Master Jake Mundi O.K. Don't mind Shaak Quinlan Kai and Tholme but can someone tell me? User: Master Jake Mundi

Dark Woman
This artcle contradicts itself.First it says in the Later Actions section that: "Around this time, Vader also killed the Dark Woman, who had been found on Cophrigin 5 by Mara Jade." And then in Aftermath:"By 1 BBY, the systematic Purge itself had concluded, but a few of the survivors would die in the years that followed—including An'ya Kuro who was tracked down and executed by Darth Vader on Cophrigin 5" So what about her, did she died during the Purge or after it?QuiGonJinn 11:01, 30 August 2008 (UTC)QuiGonJinn Personally, i think that she died during the Purge,so I'm removing info about her from the aftermath section.QuiGonJinn 11:07, 30 August 2008 (UTC)QuiGonJinn

Fallen Jedi?
Could individuals who survived the purge, however were no longer affiliated with the Jedi, really be called survivors? Technically, these people didn't survive as Jedi, so they wouldn't be Jedi Survivors. I'm not saying we should move them to the victim's list, but rather create a new list for those who no longer followed the Order, like Jerec and Beldorion.

Additionally, was Order 66 a momentary event or was it a standing order? Because if it was a standing order within the Imperial Military, any Jedi who was killed by troopers as a result of that order would be a victim of Order 66, not just the Purge in general. If this was agreed upon, Jedi like Tsui Choi and Even Piell would be moved to Order 66 victims.

As a side note, i don't think Galen Marek belongs on the survivors list because he was being hunted for inciting rebellion, not affiliation with the Jedi Order. He was never considered part of the order, so I wouldnt count him as a victim of the Purge.

Thoughts? Dark Lord Trayus 05:59, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Presumably, the GAR contingency orders didn't still stand when it became the Imperial military. The Order 66 book, or the upcoming Imperial Commando book might shed more light on this. -LtNOWIS 01:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Removal of lists
The whole point of the "Known Order 66 victims," "Subsequent Purge victims," and survivors is that they were easily readable lists of information. Now that Purpilia has converted them to paragraph form, it is considerably harder to find information. And right now these paragraphs aren't really coherent narratives, but unrelated sentences written one after another. I think we should convert those sections back into list form. Ditto with the Order 66 page. -LtNOWIS 01:49, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Bts Templar connection
There seem to be some parallels to the destruction of the Knights Templar (occuring on a single day [Friday the 13th]) that could be added to the Behind the scenes section.Tocneppil 00:44, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

Why isn't Avan Rolk and Aidan Bok on this list?

Missing Entries on the Lists
Why aren't Jedi like Neth Enasteri, Avan Rolk, Aidan Bok, Lady Caryn, Kendalina, Mallie Marek, Jimbo Kinnison, Sarn Vals, etc. Not on the lists? Also why aren't Jedi who fell to the dark side and joined the Empire like Lilith and Nolor on the list? More Missing Entries

Sarcev Quest, Aven Rolk, Halmere, Lanu Pasiq, Gwellib Ap-Llewff, Taselda, Valin Draco, Lora Nadad, Quarmall, Tao, Jedgar, Kadann, Pinky?, Gira, Dorn Tavers, Bon, Nia, Chase Piru, Jiro, Kennan Tanzer, Seddwia, Olee Starstone, Jambe Lu, Nam Poorf, Deran Nalual, Jhor-Kai, Jorad, Misha Vekkian, Minos Fel'Kona, Dragite, Luxum, Vamilad, Sardoth?, Noriah Na, Kai Hudorra, Ilum

Jedi that might be considered

Lune Oddo Divinian, Antaria Wellos, Matermeno Krahn Xavier Dade
 * Please, by all means add anything thats not there to the list! Just make sure to stick with the format the other entries use. Purpilia 21:53, November 22, 2009 (UTC)

I was wondering how you would add people like Sarcev Quest, Halmere, Lanu Pasiq and others who were members of the Agri-Corps?
 * I don't know if they have titles...may just go with the "Former Padawan" label for those specific individuals. Purpilia 06:52, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

With them I left Agricultural Corps member. Since they were never taken as Padawans they cannot have the title. There are a few people that I am a bit apprehensive about like Sardoth, Antaria Wellos, Matermeno Krahn, Lune Oddo Divinian, Gira, Tao, Pinky. I mean Sardoth fell to the Dark Side before the Clone Wars and helped the Empire but was later betrayed by them so would he be a survivor? With Anataria Wellos and Matermeno Krahn, they are both from the Star Wars Galaxies game and I wouldn't know whether they were survivors of Order 66. Lune Oddo Divinian was trained as a Jedi by Ry-Gaul and Garen Muln during the Purge so is he a survivor of it? Gira is from a Star Wars Tales 12 story called The Duty. Which is a canon story but I wouldn't know if it would be alright to include him? With Tao, the Tokyopop Manga's are considered Non-canon yet the Battle of Shumari article is still up, So could he be added? Pinky is from a Star Wars Tales story called Incident at Horn Station which is considered Canon, so could he be added even though he has no real name to go by other than Pinky?
 * If its canon, add it. If they were ever a Jedi and are known to have survived, add them. Lune was never a Jedi during the Old Republic so he wouldnt count. I'd say no to Tao, yes to Pinky, yes to Sardoth. Purpilia 15:35, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Plett?
How can Plett be a casualty of the Purge and a survivor at the same time on two different lists?

Welcome to Star Wars. 75.27.36.231 23:12, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Thracia Cho-Leem and Codi Ty
Why are Thracia Cho-Leem and Codi Ty in the Confirmed survivors list. No canon source has yet established whether they lived or died. Isn't presuming their fate fanon and not canon?

Corrections
There are numerous corrections that need to be made on this article. The inclusion of the Battle of Dantooine where Falon Grey was killed and the survival of Galen Marek. Also Thracia Cho-Leem and Codi Ty have not yet been established as survivors of the Purge by any canon sources to date. Their inclusion therefore must be assumed as fanon.

End
Didn't it really end with the death of Obi-Wan Kenobi? 75.27.36.231 23:11, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

Battle of Volik
Why isn't the Battle of Volik in which Dorin Se'ol was killed by Vader? Rac Ward

Uncertain entries
I am uncertain as to whether I should add the following people to the survivors list

Warl Thimbus Set Harth Rorr'hn of Drgi Ana Tathis

Warl Thimbus was a jedi that served the Rebellion but it isn't known for sure if he was self-taught or was a padawan that survived Order 66.

Set Harth- Was a jedi padawan who fell to the dark side around the time of the New Sith Wars and would transfer his essence into clone bodies and was thus able to live forever.

Rorr'hn of Drgi- It says in the article he was a member of the New Jedi Order but there is no evidence to suggest it and at the bottom of the page it notes him as a Post-Ruusan Jedi Knight.

Ana Tathis- Was trained by Lady Caryn as a Jedi during the Galactic Civil War. Now I don't know if she could be added but she reminds me very much of Corwin Shelvay who was trained as a Jedi during the same time period. So then through that reasoning she could possibly be added.

What does everyone think?

Rac Ward
 * I'm pretty sure you can't add Set Harth, my reasoning being that his fate is unknown, and all reports about him after Dynasty of Evil is guess work. Though I can be wrong. VadersFist666 04:55, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Well that's why I am unsure to add him. I mean granted he was a jedi and the one time apprentice of Darth Zannah but then he went off and did his own thing. But how do you feel about the others I have listed? Rac Ward

Meloria
I have just added Meloria to the list of survivors of the Jedi Purge.

According to The Completely Unofficial Star Wars Encyclopedia she placed herself in a cyrogenic chamber and waited for the force to awaken her.

Here's the entry

link http://www.cuswe.org/newdescr.asp?search=42041

"This woman, a former Jedi Knight, grew up on Corellia some thirty years before the Battle of Naboo. She was identified as a potential Jedi within months of being born, and was whisked away to Coruscant for training. However, as she grew older, Meloria became bitter about havign ben taken from her family because of her "predestined fate," and never fully embraced the Jedi Orer as her family. Her prowess with the Force manifested itself in her amaingly fast reflexes, and she found enjoyment only in the more physical aspects of her training. After accidentally killing an innocent bystander during a mission to bring a bounty hunter to justice, she abandoned the Jedi Order and fled to Drall, swearing never to use the Force again. To ensure that she kept this vow, Meloria placed herself into a cryogenic chamber. Preserved for eternity, Meloria maintained a belief that the Force would revivie her, if her skills would be necessary to do a greater good."

Also The Jedi Encyclopedia sames roughly the same thing

link

http://www.thejediencyclopedia.com/character.php?Name=Meloria

and so does TheForce.Net

link

http://www.theforce.net/swenc/newdescr.asp?search=42041&tab=d