Talk:Jerec (Inquisitor)

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Hey- I recently added a buttload of content to the regular Wikipedia's Jerec article, incorporating all the new stuff from the Wizards article (f'er example, Jerec is now actually a Miraluka). So if anyone is up to merging them... --Maru 14:30, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I added all the new pre-Empire info for him. Just a bit more on his later life is required. (And there's quite a bit of crap in the wikipedia article which is pointless, I might add.) --QuentinGeorge 22:32, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Hmmph. Forgive me if I perfer to err on the side of completeness, and provide context and background while not assuming everyone who is reading it is a hardcore SW weenie. Everyone a critic... --Maru 01:18, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, no offence intended. I just don't think we need to put EVERYTHING from the article in, vertabrim. Feel free to add it yourself if you disagree, however.

QuentinGeorge 01:21, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok...changed my mind. The article is going to be expanded. All is forgiven, Maru! QuentinGeorge 10:38, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

'Empty Sockets'
Miraluka apparently had milky white eyes, not empty sockets. Shouldn't it be so for Jerec? --Fade 22:54, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Yep. Feel free to amend. --QuentinGeorge 22:54, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I'd say, it shouldn't be so, since Jerec is described as having empty eye socket in canonical material. KEJ 10:32, 13 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * This post is old. It has now been established that Miraluka indeed have empty sockets (see Visas Marr). - Sikon [ Talk ] 10:40, 13 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, okay, but now I'm wondering wich source described the milky-white bit. Another question is why does a species that does not have eyes have eyesockets? KEJ 12:17, 13 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * They don't. Tales of the Jedi Companion pictures (albeit slightly obscured) them as having an even surface from the nose up. Just the eyes removed and nothing in their place, basically. Hence why the canonical material contradicts itself, unless the pictures and descriptions from TotJC are retconned/ignored/not canon.


 * What source states that Jerec was a Miraluka? According to the "New Essential Guide to Characters", his species is Human.Bontchev
 * The Dark Forces Saga. jSarek 11:22, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Jerec's Death
I never beat Jedi Knight, so I just feel like asking: How did Jerec die? The New Essential Guide to characters says he and Kyle charge at each other and Kyle cuts him almost in half, while the Dark Forces articles and the Wiki say Katarn cuts him off from the Valley and then just cuts him down. So just how does Jerec die? Demented Smiloid 21:25, 19 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Something like this, sorry for the format, it is the best way it can be described.

CUTSCENE starts

Jerec kneels and drops lightsaber.

We can see KYLE standing in front of him, roughly three metres away, pointing the cone of his blade towards JEREC's head.

JEREC: I am defenceless. Strike me down, and the power of the Dark Side will be yours. I am sure you haven!t forgotten I was the one who murdered your father

KYLE: No, I haven't

KYLE Force-pulls JEREC's LIGHTSABER

Drops it to JEREC, just next to his hand

JEREC takes up his sabre and starts running towards KYLE, igniting his sabre.

KYLE starts running too and cleaves into JEREC's torso.

JEREC stays stood for a second, then falls down to the ground. Before he stats falling, KYLE deactivates his lightsaber.

He was not cut in half, the wound was not even displayed in the cutscenes. He suffered the same injury as Obi-Wan in ANH, but JEREC's body disappeared in another way. TopAce 17:47 20 Oct 2005 (GMT +1)

Governor?
Jerec is listed in Category:Imperial Governors. What planet was he the Governor of? --SFH 05:37, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * I was wondering too.... maybe it's Sulon (which is really a moon). --KEJ 10:49, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Sulon sounds right. --Maru (talk) Contribs 19:57, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * It was Sulon, according to our article. -- SFH 19:58, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Dark Forces: Rebel Agent says that he was briefly governor of Sulon, presumably after the events of Soldier for the Empire. Kuralyov 06:49, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Picture
What happended to the nice live actor picture? --Razzy1319 01:18, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * There's already one in there. QuentinGeorge 11:14, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Live action not some crappy cgi rendition --Razzy1319 21:46, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * That's not CGI. It's liveaction. The Jerec sprite in the game looks totally different. QuentinGeorge 06:25, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Jerecsprite.jpg]]
 * Thats the CG sprite from the game. QuentinGeorge 06:27, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Didn't there used to be live-action image here? It was before it was replaced by the one with Yun. Kuralyov 06:48, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I replaced it some months back because, as a screenshot of a fairly old game, it was blurry and indistinct. This image shows more detail. User:Razzy1319 reverted it without giving a reason. That being said, I'm up for better replacements. Such as this
 * QuentinGeorge 06:55, 20 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Personally, I think the NEGTC image would be best. Anyone got a scanner? QuentinGeorge 06:55, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * looks more blurry than the first one :) Just return the first one, please ---Razzy1319 06:59, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Gotta say, there are many live action shots that would look better than the drawn image. If there's no complaint I'm going to look into changing it HavetStorm 20:43, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, but we should keep the painted image in the article. It's cool and it depicts a pivotal event. KEJ 20:45, 21 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Wow. I really don't like the current picture; Jerec looks like some skinny little twirp. Was the live-action one so bad? What about one of the other drawings here? -BaronGrackle 03:00, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I Agree the new image is terrible. What is the major aversion everyone seems to have to the live action stills? HavetStorm 15:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, too. Put the old pic back! ;-) KEJ 16:10, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No, the full body one is much better. The live action pic is far too low quality and blurry. QuentinGeorge 21:03, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It's ugly and the proportions are not right. KEJ 21:22, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Irrelevant. 2) It's actually a correct depiction of Jerec, since he's described as "thin and gaunt" in the novels. Sorry, it stays up. QuentinGeorge 21:24, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you saying that a drawing of Chris Neame/Jerec is a better representative of Chris Neame/Jerec than a live action image of Chris Neame/Jerec? And I don't think the ugliness and wrong proportions are irrelevant, since they are quality issues just like the coarse grainedness of the live image is. KEJ 21:54, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * And how is Luke Skywalker described in the novels? Fact of the matter is that Chris Neame IS the model on which Jerec is based, as Mark Hamil is for Luke, as Harrison Ford is for Han. -BaronGrackle 11:58, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No, Jerec existed before Neame was ever cast for the live-action clips in Dark Forces II. QuentinGeorge 10:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * If the problem is simply the resolution can we get a better resolution photo and use that? Surely a photograph is higher canon that a drawing, or perhaps all photos should be replaced by more recently created drawings - Perhaps we should use a Star Wars Manga image for the Luke Skywalker article? HavetStorm 17:24, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you understand the difference between G-Canon and C-Canon? I repeat, Luke from ANH, ESB or ROTJ is a higher canon image because it's from one of the six LFL movies, not because it's live-action. QuentinGeorge 10:54, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

You only live twice
Apparently, the article states that a) Morgan Katarn was killed several years before Qu Rahn, yet continues with b) that after Rahn's death, only one man knew the secret, Morgan Katarn. And then he's killed by Jerec. Again. What is the correct version here? VT-16 10:23, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Rahn dies first.--Erl 20:39, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Or maybe not. Lemme look it up.--Erl 20:39, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Morgan dies first - Jerec during the Rahn death scene: "Morgan Katarn! This dead man holds the valleys location..." HavetStorm 20:41, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

On the Planet

 * 1) I'd also go with almost any other live-actor image. -BaronGrackle 16:24, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) KEJ 16:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) I'm with this image until someone uploads a better live action image.-HavetStorm 17:04, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

In the Valley


This vote seems to have dried up and I'd say the results are pretty obvious, so I'm changing the image to the photo. HavetStorm 15:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) Images used are not decided by votes, especially when only 3 users vote. 2) This page was still in use. By me. That was incredibly poor form to do so while I was working on it, especially without notifying me that a vote was even taking place. Reverted. Don't move the images again. QuentinGeorge 10:49, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The simple problem is that image you people keep putting in there is simply not high enough quality to go in the infobox without pixelating. I don't know what resolution you people are running at it, but it looks truly awful on a decent one. QuentinGeorge 11:01, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Quentin, we do appreciate all the work you are doing to maintain and update this article. The few people who do check out this page are rare Jedi Knight fans in a world where Star Wars gamers are increasingly born from KOTOR or Battlefront, and whose Kyle Katarn fans have heard less and less about his first two games; we really like the fact that you are making the Jerec article more and more presentable. But we also LIKED the live actor image. Sure, there are a few pixels, but it's not awful, not by a long shot. Our issue is that any other Dark Jedi page has an actual image of the actor who played him/her, whereas this one seems almost along the lines of caricature. Also, whenever you refer to "you people", you are referring to every single other person on this issue other than yourself. Perhaps we could try out the actor image once again for a little while, to see how it works out this time? -BaronGrackle 12:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * OK so how is the image to be decided? Would you rather it be changed back and fore every time someone who has a differing opinion visits the page until it descendes into childish name calling? Or perhaps you simply overide the opinion of us people? (which means pretty much everyone except you).

You are right there were only three votes for the image, but there were only three votes in total - that suggests to me that only three people care which image is used, plus you of course so thats 75% for the photo and 25% for whichever is your prefered image - that's a clear majority.

I'm running a fairly decent monitor and the image doesn't look terrible to me, not perfect, but certainly not unusable - far from it infact. I'll take a look on my mates monitor when I get a chance because it is very good and if it turns out that somehow my monitor is not showing how truly awfull the image is and I realise that it is unusable I still won't agree that the latest drawing is the best. This won't be out of stuborness, but because out of all the options it's the worst. HavetStorm 18:28, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Hair

 * Has anyone else noticed that Christopher Neame actually had hair when he portrayed Jerec. The in-game CG Jerec was completely bald and the image in the New Essential Guide to Characters is of a completely bald Jerec.--Darth Oblivion 02:44, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I knew he wasn't *quite* bald, but I seem to have not noticed how he's been portrayed as such, from time to time. I guess you're right about the in-game CG version; silly sprites didn't even give Kyle his beard. :-) Other depictions--such as the novella illustrations--are kind enough to give him that wonderful monk-like ring around the skull. Guess the infobox needs to be changed. Is that brown hair, then? -BaronGrackle 14:25, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Makashi?
"It was during his time under Jocasta Nu that he also learned Form II Makashi." Huh. Okay, I'm going to ask for a source on this. Yrfeloran 02:51, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

Emperor's Hand?
What's the source for that? Wasn't he supposed to be an Inquisitor? Evir Daal 08:58, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Homeworld
Where is it said that Jerec is from Alpheridies? - Sikon 19:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)