Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Wedge Antilles (second nomination)

Wedge Antilles

 * Nominated by: Havac 09:12, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: I am truly sorry. Havac 09:12, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) Well...it ate up 20 minutes of my time, but I'm glad I read it. I've always wondered why this article wasn't a featured article. The article was great, and I'm honored to be the first to vote! --Gmalek ( The ability to edit does not make you intelligent ) 10:59, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Very good. Includes all his obscure appearances in video games. Corellian PremierAll along the watchtower 17:10, July 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Looks nice...maybe just change the main image to a headshot of him with his helmet on. Otherwise, you've succeeded in making the longest article on the site!--ID-21 Dolphin 02:39, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Would be nice to have the header quote be one from the films, but sure. Karohalva 16:31, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) I've been watching and quietly tweaking this since, roughly, last May. I think maybe it's done now. --  Darth Culator  (Talk) 00:43, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * 6) Now I just need to figure out what to do with the 110-page printout that I no longer need.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 05:38, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * 7) Good shot, Janson! Menkooroo 04:29, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * 8) Well i spent too much time reading it but good jobGTQ 00:06, April 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * 9) My life and yours were ebbed away due to this article Shadowsaber623 02:28, April 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * 10)  Kreivi Wolter 14:14, May 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * 11) --Eyrezer 02:32, August 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * 12) Wow Havac, just Wow. Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 20:50, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) --Eyrezer 02:32, August 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) Wow Havac, just Wow. Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 20:50, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Wow Havac, just Wow. Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 20:50, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Wow Havac, just Wow. Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 20:50, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

Good, good, whole wheat Shreddies

 * Intro: Is there an article for Wedge and Iella's wedding? I went to pipelink it, but couldn't find one when I searched. If not, go for it!
 * Boyhood: Should "Veggies" be bolded, as it's not in the intro?
 * Victory at Yavin: Context needed on Darth Vader (Supreme Commander or something).
 * It's "the" Millennium Falcon, surely?
 * "Dodonna called a briefing including Antilles and Skywalker, with whom Antilles was already very friendly" --- should that first Antilles be Solo?
 * I recommend that you go through the article again and add more links. I've only done Section 1.1 so far, and I've already added over fifty. Admittedly, I link more than is probably healthy, but The galaxy, cockpit, superweapon, Realspace, pilot, Corellian, smuggler, starship, cantina, captain, planet, and moon are examples of some pretty major ones that were missing.
 * Done to the end of 1.1. Booyaka! Menkooroo 12:58, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Forming Rogue Squadron: Does Luke's mission to Jazbina have an article? As it's referred to as a mission, it probably should.
 * There is no article. Havac 01:04, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Caaaaan you make one?
 * I suppoooooooose. Havac 06:23, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * "They were surprised by a trio of stormtroopers..." Where? Have they boarded the Stellar Manx? Do they board it at all? I'm a little confused.
 * No, I'd have mentioned if they boarded it. They're just kind of hanging out observing the freighter, and the stormtroopers jump them. Havac 01:04, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * You consistently refer to C-3PO and R2-D2 as "it" --- shouldn't their masculine programming warrant "he"?
 * Well, they're robots. Most generic droids get an it, even if their programming is generically masculine. As droids without an actual sex, I went with it. Havac 01:04, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Although I disagree, there is no policy on this. Curses!
 * Plague on Gobindi: I really hate to do this... but if Wedge's three rebel companions appear in the book, have dialogue, are attacked by blobs, etc, they should really have "Unidentified blah blah blah" articles. "Gobindi script" and the blob creatures should have articles, too.
 * Found an article on the blobs and on Gobindi language. Created articles on the Rebels. Havac 01:04, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Escape from Yavin: The unidentified jungle world where they meet Able... article?
 * Made. Havac 01:04, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is "spymaster" a formal title? ie, worthy of an article?
 * No. Thank God. Havac 01:04, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * This rebel agent who does a whole buncha stuff --- Is he the player character of Galaxies, and is he a specific enough character to warrant an article?
 * Yes, just the generic Galaxies PC. Who isn't specific enough to get an article, as each mission or series of missions could be carried out by a different PC, and many of them require PCs of different alignments, etc. Havac 01:04, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Article, article, article! Menkooroo 14:40, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Running the Rogues: Does the Rebel Alliance Sourcebook explicitly identify "Alliance Starfighter Command"? I can't find any reference to this body on the wook, but if it does, in fact, exist --- article? I was going to pipelink Alliance Starfighter Corps, but that seems to be a distinct non-naval branch.
 * "Antilles quickly drew and shot her." What did he draw?
 * A Second Death Star: The third paragraph contains a lot of extraneous information at the end. Everything after "Antilles received a message for Skywalker:" should probably be trimmed down --- everything from "Skywalker, sobered by the belief..." could probably be cut entirely, as it isn't really relevant to Wedge; the part about Rendar vs. the missile before that also kind of reads like it's already been introduced to the reader. Menkooroo 02:52, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * New threats and the New Republic: "...his fighter was badly damaged by clipping a TIE fighter in the utter darkness of the cloudy night sky." Can you be more specific? ie, which cloudy night sky? Unidentified planet? Article, maybe? It's a big galaxy, and "the" cloudy night sky is too vague. Menkooroo 02:56, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Royal surprise: "Cartariun used the Sith powers..." which ones? Are they his, do they come from the temple?
 * The prior sentence says he's using the Temple's power. I've tweaked the sentence; see if you like it. Havac 07:06, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Push into the core: I'm a bit confused --- Is the entire 181st at Oradin? You say that Fel was actually at Oradin and "led his squadron back to Vuultin", immediately after saying that the 181st pilots were at Vuultin and shooting down Janson and Ibtisam. Did Fel leave a few pilots behind at Vuultin? If that's the case, I recommend changing "led his squadron" to "led most of his squadron" or something similar. Menkooroo 06:06, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * The 181st is a three-squadron wing. So Fel had two squadrons at Oradin and one at Vuultin. I've clarified. Havac 07:06, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Trial by fire: The paragraph where Wedge adjudicates the good-natured dispute contains a lot of detail that's play-by-play and probably extraneous to Wedge. Can you cut it down... considerably?
 * The only way to do the dispute is to have the detail, or else it doesn't make sense. It's one of those things that sucks because it's so complex you have to go into it way deeper than you want to. So I can cut it down entirely, if you want. Havac 07:50, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think cutting it down entirely might be the better choice, yeah. Something like sticking "In the celebration on Talasea afterward, Antilles, Celchu, and Captain Afyon of the Eridain were called on to adjudicate a good-natured dispute among the pilots as to who the best and worst among their ranks were." onto the end of the previous paragraph and leaving it at that. The rest is basically a conversation between Horn and Jace, ya know?
 * Throughout the article, "Terrik" is alternately used for both Booster and Mirax, which is genuinely confusing. There are a few particularly odd instances, such as when the Virulence is surrendered to Terrik (Booster), and in the next paragraph, Terrik and Horn get married. I think it would be easier if you picked one of them and stuck with their first name throughout the article --- I always do it with Roan and Marasiah, and it keeps things clear and unambiguous.
 * Well, "Terrik" is always the last named Terrik, and context generally makes it clear -- Corran's not marrying Booster. Though I'm sure there's a fanfic out there like that. So I cleared up that instance, where I hadn't used the first names liberally enough, you're right. Havac 07:50, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. If I find any more confusing instances, I'll let you know. ... Or sofixit, or something.
 * The conquest of Coruscant: End of the sixth paragraph --- what did Celchu arrive in, and how did he kill them? Menkooroo 18:30, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Clarified. Havac 07:50, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Plague and prosecution: "and realized it was she who was Isard's spy in the unit" makes it seem like the existence of a spy has been mentioned before. Can you either mention the possibility of a spy beforehand, or, if that's not relevant to Wedge, change the wording of this sentence?
 * I think this should make things clearer. Havac 07:51, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * As far as creating a separate article for Lusankya, the unitalicized prison, I say go for it. The two are different enough that I'll consider it an objection. Menkooroo 15:46, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Created. Havac 07:51, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * The last Grand Admiral: Why not mention that Wedge acted as the fake point man for Han's meeting with Dravis? A few words could do it without being play-by-play or extraneous.
 * Mentioned. Havac 19:25, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Were there several Imperial attacks on Bpfassh, or was Bpfassh the site of one of many attacks all over the place? I was going to change "one of the attacks" to "an Imperial attack" but I wasn't quite sure.
 * Bpfassh was part of a wider campaign of simultaneous attacks. Clarified. And I chose your exact wording before I saw your suggestion. Go figure. Havac 19:25, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * The first couple sentences of this section's fourth paragraph use some repetitive phrasing. Could you change it up?
 * Hopefully that's better. Havac 19:25, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it necessary to identify Thrawn by his full name? Seems a bit... odd. A pipelink would be better, I think.
 * Yes it is! If it's just a casual mention of him, I'll often pipelink it, but here, where I have the room to mention his actual name before going with the abbreviated form, I'd prefer to be more accurate. Havac 19:25, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Where was the briefing Ackbar called Wedge to? If it weren't for the above-the-shield bit, I'd assume Coruscant.
 * It's aboard a Star Cruiser somewhere. Totally generic. Ackbar was on the front when Thrawn did his asteroid thing, allowing him to be out there for the battling while everyone else is trapped under the shield. Wedge was actually last seen on Coruscant like a day before the battle, then shows up outside the shield at this briefing, necessitating the mention that he was obviously above the shield when Coruscant was cut off so that nobody's going, "What, what?" I've tweaked it a bit, and I hope that it's clearer now. Havac 19:25, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * The world near Tangrene they were on will need an article. :^D Menkooroo 16:00, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * The list of articles that owe their existence to Wedge Antilles grows . . . Havac 19:25, August 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Does Wedge appear in every issue of the HTTE, DFR, and TLC comic adaptations? Also, all the Empire arcs, etc? If not, you'll have to change the appearances section to only include the individual issues that he appears/is mentioned in, as per the layout guide. I know you've argued against this before, but, ya know, policy and consensus. Menkooroo 05:05, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Havac 04:57, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ooooh, well done.
 * Building the peace: Does I, Jedi specify which New Republic Council Horn appeals to (Provisional, Ruling, Inner ... )?
 * Found it. Havac 04:57, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you find some way to work a mention of Durron having recovered the sun crusher from the gas giant into the narrative? The articles states that he sent it into the sun's heart, and then a few paragraphs later he's piloting it. It's like "Wait, what?"
 * Good catch. Worked. Havac 04:57, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * "reduced to only the superlaser and the minimum necessary to support it" --- Something's needed after "minimum"; it just doesn't read right without it. Menkooroo 15:17, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * Something is after minimum now. Havac 04:57, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * It seems unnecessary and extraneous to note that Antilles was not involved in the fighting of the black fleet crisis. Stating that it broke out and that A'baht defeated the Duskhan League would be enough of a conclusion to the paragraph, and you can state that Wedge wasn't involved by not stating it at all. Menkooroo 15:32, September 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but that was kind of my way of getting in the "That's where this goes, so it's not a totally random thing leaping into the Wedge narrative and then disappearing" while also keeping Wedge in the sentence to help keep it itself from being a random thing leaping into the Wedge narrative. Took it out, though. Havac 04:57, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Didn't Wedge attend a private reception for Stackpole-only characters after Luke and Mara's ceremony (that might be worth mentioning)? Or am I just basing that idea off of an inaccurate article on the wedding ... ? Menkooroo 16:21, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * After the wedding, there's one page of the people we know dancing. Wedge may be in the background or may not, but there's nothing to establish it as a private reception. Unless the article is basing itself on some CUSWE fanon imported via the CSWE or something, that wedding article is wonky. Which it already seems to be on a few other details. Havac 17:30, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think that Chak and Wynssa's survival can be sourced to Ruin. Menkooroo 00:35, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * It says that he's got four siblings and two are dead. The rest is just applying names, which it seems a bit silly to source. No one runs around scrabbling for Star Wars Screen Entertainment when saying Wilhuff Tarkin did something in ANH. Havac 00:45, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, OK. I didn't think the five-kids reference came until Dark Journey. My mistake. Menkooroo 00:50, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Darklighter's quote should really be paraphrased.
 * Why? Encyclopedias use quotes in the body all the time, when it's a relevant quote. Any attempt to paraphrase would just involve using slightly different words to say it more awkwardly. Havac 08:52, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not directly quoting in general that I'm after, but rather this specific one. It just seems kind of... off, probably because of the "son" at the beginning. And I have to wonder if including the entirety of a long quote like that isn't giving too much detail.
 * Long? It's one sentence. Two clauses. I just don't get what's off about it. Can you be more specific? Havac 03:49, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe it seems off because it's the only body-quote within the article longer than a couple of words, and as such, it kinda comes out of nowhere and sticks out like a sore thumb. I'm not too hardcore on this, but it does seem a little off. I've had inquisitors advise me against using direct quotes in FAN's before, so I think it automatically set off a flag for me, ya know?
 * Can you establish that Wedge commanded from the Mon Mothma at the beginning of the Bilbringi stuff? It's currently only kinda indirectly revealed at the end after a couple of confusing sentences.
 * Established. Havac 08:52, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Article time: Contruum's moon! Menkooroo 11:15, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Contruum has two moons, and this moon in question might be Contruum Six, so I'd feel more comfortable leaving this incidental mention as a non-article. Havac 08:52, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * During the Ganner Squadron battle: Does Exile specify which side of the battle the attacking frigate is on?
 * It's implied strongly to be Corellian. Added. Havac 08:52, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Centerpoint Ambush: article?
 * Surprised we don't have one. I'll create it. Havac 08:52, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it the troop transport that in fact carries the Jedi sabotage team, or is it Centerpoint? If the former --- why does Wedge want to harass it? Is it a mistake? Does he realize his error? Can you give me just a little bit more? Menkooroo 05:58, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Clarification powers, activate! Havac 08:52, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Are there any instances, other than the bit in Lucky, of Wedge being described as lucky? The "Mala" section of the relationships makes it seem like the idea's already been introduced, but it seems conspicuously absent from the p & t.
 * I'm not sure exactly what you mean. The lucky thing is brought up at Mala's death in the bio section; putting it in the article three times seems like overkill. Arguably, stuff like wanting a homeworld girl could be in his P&T, too, but like that, it fits so smoothly in the Relationships section that it seems pointless to duplicate it in P&T too. Havac 09:48, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, should have clarified --- I'm wondering if there are any other sourcebooks or novels or anything that talk about Wedge being thought of as incredibly lucky. If it appears a few times in canon, it should maybe be in the p & t, but if it's just Lucky that discusses it, it's fine as it is.
 * Well, he's occasionally passingly described as lucky, like any other character, but nothing significant. Lucky is the only thing to deal with the issue. Havac 03:49, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * There's some pbp in Iella: "When he first spoke to her, he sensed a distance from her, and asked if they had stopped being friends during their time apart. She said they had, but to Antilles's consternation would offer no more explanation." Can you trim it down?
 * That's one of those tricky things. The whole romance plotline with Iella is predicated on the fact that they grew away and Wedge is trying to overcome it. But I can't just introduce him asking, "Hey, why aren't we friends anymore?" without establishing the reason why he's asking the question, and I can't introduce Iella going, "Hey, we're not friends anymore," without establishing the question, or it provokes "Huh?"s. I've trimmed it a little, but I'm not sure that I can take a lot more out of there. Havac 09:48, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * A bit more pbp later in the same paragraph when he's at her apartment ("he asked, she explained, she insisted..."). He was married to her for decades, so it seems kind of odd that so much of her section is dedicated to a single doorbell ring. As the bio's already covered this stuff, brevity seems especially important in "Relationships".
 * You wouldn't think it, but this emotional stuff takes the most space to articulate clearly, as it operates on such a nuanced level. Emotional stuff, and intellectual conversation or convictions. I realize that the Relationships section is a bit more general than the bio, but it should still articulate the narrative of the relationship. And this one moment is really the whole narrative of the relationship; it's not a simple case of "And then they fell in love." I don't know that I've cut it down a lot in size, but I think I've eliminated a lot of play-by-play-ish phrasing and made it read a bit better. Tell me what you think. Havac 09:48, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * And just a heads-up that my previous Threepio and Artoo objection will become live again if passes. Menkooroo 15:42, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll get ready to ctrl-f "it" for like an hour. Havac 09:48, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * They're actually only mentioned in the article a handful of times. Ctrl + f the droids' names! :^D
 * I think that should be resolved. Havac 07:49, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * One more from p & t: As there's no skills and abilities section, I feel like p & t should have a paragraph or two discussing his skills in the cockpit. It currently says that he loved being in the cockpit and was very confident in his skills, but it doesn't go into detail as to what those skills are. Surely there are sourcebooks that bluntly say "He was one of the best pilots in the galaxy" and stuff like that. And you could mention how in Rebel Dream he singlehandedly destroyed all those coralskipper squadrons, etc, etc. Menkooroo 05:16, September 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I dunno. It's too late for me to write a bunch tonight, so . . . to be continued. Havac 09:48, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Section added. Havac 07:08, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Behind the scenes: Dates are given for a lot of publications, but not for the original Star Wars film or its novelization. Go for it, dude! I'll say also for Empire and Jedi, as right now it kind of looks like Lawson "went on" to portray Wedge in those films after 2005.
 * Dates mostly added, though sticking them in for the two sequels would be kind of an awkward fit, and I've sort of kind of generally dated them anyway. Havac 09:48, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * It still looks a bit off, with stuff from 2005 being mentioned before Empire and Jedi --- how do you feel about adding "After A New Hope" before "Lawson went on to portray Antilles"...
 * Try that. Havac 21:49, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wedge wasn't created as a supporting character for A New Hope --- he was created as a supporting character for a film called Star Wars. :^D
 * Which is now called A New Hope. That's just what the film is. Take it up with George Lucas. If I say, "He was a supporting character in Star Wars, people are going to say, "He's a supporting character in the franchise? Of course he is!" Havac 09:48, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd argue it more, but I realized that you've written it as "was created as a supporting character in" rather than "a supporting character for", which in this case makes all the difference. Otherwise a pipelink from Star Wars to A New Hope would do the trick.
 * The word "film" noticeably appears thrice in close succession at the beginning of the bts.
 * Film. And I'm going to take a break here. Havac 09:48, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * As you're already talking about the earlier drafts and the development of character concepts, it might be worth mentioning that there were other characters called "Antilles" before Wedge ended up taking the name.
 * Added. Havac 07:08, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Any idea who voiced Wedge in the Crimson Empire audio?
 * He's not credited, so I don't know, other than that it must be one of the "Additional voices" guys. And none of them are previous Antilles VAs to even guess at. Havac 03:49, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was listening to the Dark Forces: Soldier for the Empire audio drama today and noticed that Meck Odom sounded exactly like Wedge in the CE audio. Meck was apparently voiced by Peter Moore in Soldier for the Empire, and Moore is credited as providing "additional voices" for the CE audio (as well as directing it). Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 05:52, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Mark Hamill and George Lucas need just a bit of context.
 * Done. Noted Joker voice actor Mark Hamill has called him the "token survivor" of George Lucas, a director noted for his unpopular dicking around with classic films. Havac 03:49, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is Wedge definitely not in the LEGO OT game?
 * Hell if I know. I've never played it. Our article on it doesn't put him there, though. Havac 03:49, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Brickipedia doesn't indicate that he is, either.
 * I have a couple of tidbits for ya that might be at home in the bts. Let me know what you think:
 * talks a lot about Wedge's cult following, and about how Sue Rostoni and KJA advised Stackpole to use Wedge as a central character in the X-wing novels accordingly. He also talks about how tough writing Wedge was, and how he drew inspiration from WWI and WWII fighter pilots
 * The TV show Undergrads, which is chock-full of delicious SW references every episode, contains a wonderful line about Wedge. The character Gimpy has a sidekick, who refers to as "The Wedge to my Luke Skywalker --- trusty, loyal... and you never die!" As a reference to Wedge in pop culture that also plays off of the "token survivor" angle, this could work well in the paragraph you already have about his cult following. I can give you more detail if you want it.
 * Any chance of including a reference to this? "Antilles's reputation as a token survivor has even been humourously referenced in other media..." I won't push it, but I think it's run and relevant.
 * Some bts info about how Wedge would have appeared in Specter of Thrawn. If you want to give some background info on Specter of Thrawn, Stackpole discusses its conception and reasons for cancelation in his, about a third of the way in.
 * Allston says that it was originally Zahn, not Allston, who hooked Wedge and Iella up... eh, that's probably not noteworthy, but it's fun trivia, I guess.
 * by Stackpole about the creation of Rogue Squadron is a real treat. He talks more about Sue suggesting that he use Wedge, but he claims he would have regardless. Quote: "He's the perfect character to have in this series. He's a hero, he's been in the films, he's an ace, and he's Luke's best friend. He knows almost everyone, so he provides me access to the top-level characters when I need them." He also talks more about how he researched WWI and WWII aces when developing the various Rogues, and how the tendency of those real-life pilots to die within their first five dogfights led to his characterization of Wedge as not befriending his new pilots until after they survived five missions. Give the whole thing a listen; there's some neat stuff on his development of Corran, Gavin, and Tycho, too, if you want to update their FA's.
 * Wedge as the 24th greatest SW character of all time. Might be worth including after you mention the Insider poll where he ranked eighth. This also mentions the Biggs and Wedge whose names reappear in Final Fantasy games, but I searched and searched and couldn't find any official confirmation that they were named after SW's Biggs and Wedge. I mean, they like, obviously are, but blargh, no confirmation! Menkooroo 16:01, September 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I've gotten everything I'm going to get out of those. Havac 07:49, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Reference 174 needs to be fixed --- there's some craziness going on at the end of it. Menkooroo 15:27, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Xiced! Menkooroo 16:33, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's it for now, my friend. As for me, I have a few books to go read. Menkooroo 03:08, September 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * When you introduce the Night Caller schedule, can you give a bit more detail? The article just kind of mentions the schedule without indicating what it is, which would probably be pretty confusing if I hadn't just read the book. It's unclear why the ship is making stops at all these planets and just what the purpose of the circuit is. I know that Wedge isn't completely clear on it yet, but can you tell us what he does know at that point? It's not really indicated why the Night Caller isn't expected to just rejoin Zsinj's fleet.
 * See if that works. Havac 21:43, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * "Loran inadvertently used the New Republic slang "eyeball" for a TIE," --- Can you specify that he's talking to an Imperial on a comlink? It's not really clear why two TIE pilots in the air would hear him say that. Menkooroo 14:46, October 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Clarified. Havac 21:43, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Six months later, and I've finally completed my review. Sorry again for the delay, but I'm really glad that I got the chance to read the final five X-wing novels. Now that I've read everything, I can definitively say how impressed I am with this article --- with its depth, its scope of research, its flow, with the sheer amount of hours it must have taken. A truly incredible job. I do have one final objection, however: In the Starfighters of Adumar stuff, the bit at the very end about "improving working conditions" struck me as a bit odd, and then I realized that any mention of Antilles's earlier visit to the missile factory is missing. A sentence or two about it is in order, I think, for the sake of including everything and to provide some context on just why worker conditions need to be improved. Add that, and the article will have my support. Cheers. Menkooroo 15:20, January 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Found the part in the book. Turns out it was an easy sofixit. Hooray! Menkooroo 04:29, February 13, 2011 (UTC)

Xicer

 * Defectors and captors: "Seerdon then turned to blockading Chandrila...He isolated one of its major cities and began bombarding it..." Do we have an article on this city? If it's one of Chandrila's "major cities" it probably deserves an article.
 * "Tie Interceptor" and "TIE interceptor" are both used in the article. Which is it?
 * Defectors and captors: "He entered into negotiations with a group of Corellian Engineering Corporation workers' union leaders, who were interested in defecting..." Why did they want to defect? This would clarify the Empire's involvement in the matter.
 * Defectors and captors: "When she insisted on selling them out and drew a blaster on the agent, he killed her, an outcome Antilles regretted but accepted as the only way to protect the Alliance." Who killed her, the agent or Wedge? The last part kind of hints at it being Wedge, but I'm assuming it's the agent.
 * Defectors and captors: "The agent completed the mission and returned to confirm his success with Antilles..." Aren't Galaxies PCs supposed to be referred to by gender-neutral terms?
 * Defectors and captors: What kind of generators are you referring to in the next paragraph? Power generators? Shield generators? Or does Galaxies just leave it vague?
 * Freedom's winter: "Antilles returned to Hoth and waited until Skywalker arrived safely to make his final departure, escorting the Dutyfree, piloted by Rogue Ten Tarrin Datch, to safety." Looks like we have a discrepancy here: Datch's article says he piloted Thon's Orchard, not the Dutyfree. I only bring this up because Datch is an FA. One of these articles will need to be changed.
 * That's it through 1.2, more to come. FYI I redlinked autograph in "Defectors and captors". Also, I forgot to mention this earlier, but one of the SWGTCG cards I put in the Sources list depicts Wedge receiving an Imperial Death Mark, at least I think it's Wedge. It looks a lot like him but I'm not familiar with the accompanying scenario, so I can't be sure. If it's not him then you can remove it, if it is him then that information might be worth adding to the article (with the sentence stating that he was put on the Emperor's Most Wanted List). Oh, and finally, I'm not sure what our policy or precedent is on having Wizards links without articles in Sources lists. You may need to create an article for that TFU preview, or at least redlink it. Just a heads up. Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 00:41, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Running the Rogues: "Antilles was sent to scout the Maw, a black hole cluster suspected of hiding an Imperial prison. Article needed on the prison, as well as the Bothon pilot mentioned later in the paragraph.
 * Running the Rogues: For the Fondor shipyard assault, you have to explain that it was their objective to destroy the SSD in the first sentence. Otherwise it sounds kind of like they decided to attack the shipyard first, then discovered the SSD being built there, and then decided to destroy it.
 * Running the Rogues: Battle article for the Strike Cruiser skirmish? Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 03:46, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * New threats and the New Republic: Articles needed on Weir's base and the Tandankin monument.
 * New threats and the New Republic: "the strange and brutal Nagai, emigres from the satellite galaxy Companion Besh, began a campaign against the galaxy in alliance with rogue Imperials." "the galaxy" here sounds like it's referring to Companion Besh. Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 05:55, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * All of the above addressed. Havac 07:47, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * At least once in "New threats and the New Republic" and several times in "Encounter on Mrlsst" the word "Alliance" is used to refer to the NR.
 * Damn comics use the term all the time too. Fixed. Havac 07:38, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Articles needed: Dza'tey's second-in-command. Also, are there no articles on the missions to Cilpar, Mrlsst, Tatooine, Eiattu, or Malrev? And FYI I redlinked Harrandatha's impostor. That's it through 1.4. Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 03:37, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Havac 07:38, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it Night Caller or the Night Caller? Implacable or the Implacable? etc... You're pretty inconsistent with both. Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 06:07, August 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Consistisized. Havac 07:51, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Same thing for Mon Remonda.
 * Consistisized with Solo Command. Havac 05:54, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * The last Grand Admiral: You refer to both Mara and Aves as "Karrde's lieutenant." Who of the two is it? Or does Aves take over Mara's position?
 * They're both lieutenants to Karrde. Havac 05:54, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Palpatine's return: You go from saying Palpatine was killed by one of his Force storms above Da Soocha, to him trapping the Solos on Onderon without mentioning that he survived the first encounter and entered another clone body.
 * The guy just won't stop dying. Mention added. Havac 05:54, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * There's a scene in the DEII audio where Rogue Squadron and a freighter carrying X-1 Vipers ambushes a squadron of TIEs. I'm not sure if the guy leading the Rogues is Wedge, but it sounds like him. Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 21:20, August 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not really clear, so I've added the information in an appropriately ambiguous fashion, I think.
 * Keeping the peace: "...Kyle Katarn, formerly of the Katarn Commandos and a friend of Rogue Squadron." Is this information actually in Jedi Academy? Because if not, it needs to be properly sourced. Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 23:12, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Tweaked. Havac 05:54, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Last one, I think: all external link refs need to use the cite web template with backup links if possible. Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 22:07, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Cite web is an abomination in the eyes of God. It's a Wikipedia template, poorly suited to Wookieepedia use (as evidenced by its creation of date redlinks in the date-of-authorship field), unilaterally copied from Wikipedia by Adamwan in 2007 (yet still barely used) and not supported by any Wookieepedia policy. Without any policy on its use, it accomplishes nothing that a simple link doesn't, except padding page length. I loathe it and refuse to use it. Havac 08:29, September 11, 2010 (UTC)

The Dolphin

 * Apparently, Wedge plays a minor role in the new novel for The Force Unleashed II. If you read the novel or find another user who has, I suggest updating the early part of the biography section to reflect these new sources.-- ID-21 Dolphin  DolphinJedi.png(Talk) 15:06, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * I need to get my hands on it, but once I get it, it will be added. Havac 21:10, October 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good. Otherwise, I'm getting the novel soon, so I could write that section for you. I think Wedge only has a minor appearance, so it won't be long.-- ID-21 Dolphin  DolphinJedi.png(Talk) 16:24, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Added. Havac 20:12, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * The placement seems a bit off. TFUII takes place in 1 BBY, but in the previous paragraph you're talking about him in 0 BBY. Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 21:00, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Flipflopped around. Havac 21:33, October 10, 2010 (UTC)

JMAS

 * You mention in the first paragraph of the Return to service subsection under The Yuuzhan Vong War heading regarding Wedge being interviewed by Threepio and Artoo about his memories of Chewie. However, there is no information on the Battle of Thila which was the event that he was recalling to the droids. The battle took place sometime between the evacuation of Yavin 4 and the establishment of Echo Base on Hoth. It can be found in Star Wars: Chewbacca 3. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 11:39, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's already there. Fifth paragraph of the "Escape from Yavin" section in "Rogue warrior". Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 11:47, August 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wow, somehow I completely missed that, after scanning for it 3 times. Note to self: next time have two cups of coffee first before accessing Wookieepedia before 5 am. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 11:52, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Jinzler

 * Pablo Hidalgo mentions a minor continuity problem regarding Antilles here, which maybe deserves a mention in the article. --Jinzler 17:59, October 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think that really constitutes a continuity problem. Wedge has been exposed to a giant ancient construct that no one can explain, and then finds the size of a recently built manmade space station to be impressive. There's not necessarily any contradiction. If he said, "Wow, that's the biggest thing I've ever seen!" then there would be a problem. But this is really more Pablo making a nice smart-aleck comment than any continuity issue. Havac 19:36, October 17, 2010 (UTC)

From the Council Chambers:
First, I want to make you aware that I haven't read through all of the objections above, so if I object to something that's already been resolved, let me know. Also, I'm reviewing off of a hard copy printed on November 16 (at a cost of $11.87!), so if I object to something that's changed since then, likewise let me know. OK, here goes:
 * Intro: "He led Rogue Squadron in a covert mission to bring down Coruscant's shields, allowing the New Republic to capture the galactic capital, and when denied permission to remove Imperial leader Ysanne Isard from power over Thyferra, he resigned with his squadron and led a private guerrilla war that successfully toppled Isard.": This is a bit of a run-on, please break it up.
 * Split. Havac 09:33, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Youth/Boyhood: "She and Antilles were close friends throughout their youth, calling each other by childhood nicknames "Myra" and "Veggies."": Which one was Myra and which was Veggies?
 * I've clarified. Though I'd love to see someone calling Wedge "Myra." Havac 09:33, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Youth/Rebel hotshot: "He emerged near the target and Starkiller jumped into the building, where he rescued Eclipse and managed to capture Vader.": Maybe nitpicking, but I think you should add a note that Vader escaped/was released; otherwise Vader suddenly jumps from being in Rebel custody to piloting a TIE at the Battle of Yavin with no explanation.
 * Yeah, but we have no idea how Vader gets out of it. I've added something and tried to be pretty circumspect about it, since there's not much we can firmly say. Havac 09:33, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Youth/Rebel hotshot: "Though considered a show-off, Antilles was a standout pilot and natural leader and was quickly put in a position of responsibility, an emergent leader in the squadron.": I shifted the phrasing around in this sentence to make it flow a little better, but I think the phrase "an emergent leader in the squadron" at the end is redundant to the rest of the sentence; consider removing it.
 * I've shuffled it. Havac 09:33, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Rogue warrior/Defectors and captors: "There, he tasked a Rebel to rescue several Rebel pilots who had been captured and imprisoned in a prison bunker near an Imperial base erected on Yavin 4.": In the first part of the sentence, "Rebel" is repetitive.
 * Sort of. But we have no descriptor for the Galaxies PC other than "someone who was a Rebel" and if we don't specify that the pilots were Rebel pilots, then we get people wondering who the pilots were. So I've called them "Alliance pilots". I think that should work. Havac 09:33, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's it through the "Rogue warrior" section. I'll continue from "Rogue Leader" sometime soon.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 22:01, November 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Rogue Leader/A second Death Star: "With the main communications ship, the Executor, and the Death Star destroyed,": Unclear here whether the "main communications ship" is the Executor or another unnamed ship, please clarify.
 * Earlier in the section, Wedge explicitly destroys the main communications ship, which is a separate link. Is that clear enough? It would be really awkward to try to distinguish those in the sentence. Havac 09:33, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * While I guess that would be enough (I can't see links in my printout), I made a slight change to the sentence to remove the ambiguity altogether. Feel free to revert it if you feel it doesn't work, though.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 18:13, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Rogue Leader/Encounter on Mrlsst: "Antilles made certain that the New Republic would retain the weapon's plans, knowing it would be the only way to guarantee it would not be used.": Two problems here. First, normally a government at war would welcome new weapons, which could give them an edge over their enemy. What is it about this weapon that makes Wedge feel it shouldn't ever be used? Second, if Wedge doesn't want to see the weapon used, then why did he personally authorize it to be used earlier in the paragraph?
 * Ask Stackpole. I've tweaked it a bit. Havac 09:33, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's it through the "Hard campaigning" section. I'll continue from "The campaign for Coruscant" when I have time.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 05:01, November 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've now reviewed through "Defeating Isard" with no further objections. I'll continue from "Wraith Squadron" soon.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 19:17, November 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wraith Squadron/Playing pirate: "The Wraiths returned to Coruscant, where, while on leave, the Wraiths were attacked in a bar by a cyborg.": "Wraiths" is repetitive.
 * Addressed. Havac 03:48, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll continue from "Imperial resurgence" soon. Apologies for the length of time this is taking, but RL has been busy recently. Hopefully, it'll calm down within the next few days, which would let me get this done faster.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 05:12, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * "Imperial resurgence" has been reviewed with no objections. Will continue from General Antilles soon.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 18:05, December 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wraith Squadron/Playing pirate: Since you reverted it, I'll object: the quote for this section needs to use Quote, not Dialogue, per the MOS, which specifies that quotes with two speakers use Quote.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 04:13, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * This is something that comes up over and over again as an endless source of confusion. That's for quotes with two people speaking, when they both only speak once. It's horribly unclear in the MOS and really needs a CT to amend it, but it's not for long back-and-forths; otherwise we never would have had the long-back-and-forth dialogue templates we did. Havac 05:14, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * While I see your point, I still disagree. I've asked several Inqs for their opinion on this matter to clear things up either way.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 18:46, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've checked with Tommy, Tope, and Grunny, and all agree that it must be changed to Quote.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 22:25, December 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I found the original CT. As the vote says, it's for determining the standard for "two-line dialogue quotes," not for multi-line quotes. Havac 04:52, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Both Tope and Grunny have clarified that Quote is used for two speakers regardless of length; see here and here. If you feel that's wrong, then start a CT to amend/clarify that; otherwise, fix it, because I'm done discussing this.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 17:21, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit confused as to how Toprawa and Grunny are higher policy authorities than CTs. Havac 21:52, December 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Terribly sorry to intrude --- but for what it's worth, I've always been told to use the dialogue template in cases of two speakers when there are more than two lines total. For example, this section of one of my FAs uses Dialogue for two speakers, three lines total, and I was advised by Xicer to modify a different quote, but not this one. Other FAs of mine have always used Dialogue for cases of two speakers with more than two lines total --- it's always how I've been told to do things, by inquisitors and non-inquisitors alike. This section of the Manual of Style doesn't actually say what to do in the case of two speakers, more than two lines --- it just lists examples, and "two speakers, more than two lines" is not one of the examples it lists. I don't think it's accurate to say that policy is not being followed here --- policy is incomplete and not all-encompassing; its examples only cover a single case of multiple possible "two speaker" cases. And that case is not the one currently being discussed. A CT is probably in order to clarify, but right now, I don't think that Hav is breaking any rules. The rules don't say what to do in this case, so Hav is following precedent. What else can he do? Menkooroo 09:44, December 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Edit: Also, see today's quote of the day (archived here, currently sixth from the bottom). Menkooroo 09:55, December 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, I've always been told what Tope and Grunny said, that Quote is used for two speakers regardless of length, but the more I look at stuff, the more I think you're right that our policy is just unclear and has too much room for interpretation. I'll start a CT sometime today to clarify this one way or the other, once and for all.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 15:37, December 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Here's the CT.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 16:17, December 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * The CT has now been archived with a decision to use Quote for all two-speaker quotes regardless of length. Accordingly, I've resolved this under .  Master Jonathan  New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 03:07, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Update tag placed by Mauser.
 * I've gotten the info and added it; the set also provided some nice images. Havac 04:22, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Review complete through "General Antilles". Will continue from "The Yuuzhan Vong War" soon.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 21:33, December 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Rogue Warrior/Freedom's winter: "Antilles dispatched the soldier with him to arrange a raid on the Tyrant,": Unclear who "him" is here.
 * Clarified. Havac 06:27, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Yuuzhan Vong War/Return to service: "a Yuuzhan Vong ship arrived and launched a shuttle belonging to Caamasi Senator Elegos A'Kla&mdash;a friend to Horn&mdash;bearing a message for Horn.": A little context is needed here to explain why the Vong would have A'Kla's ship in the first place.
 * Contextified. Havac 06:27, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Yuuzhan Vong War/The siege of Borleias: "He soon noticed that Fel and Solo, though they kept it quiet, had become an item.": "Item" as used here is slang; please reword.
 * Reworded. Havac 06:27, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Will continue from "Shifting loyalties" soon.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 03:32, December 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Shifting loyalties/Family man: "Not wishing to rely on or be protected because of her father's name, she had her name legally changed to Lysa Dunter in a Ralltiiri court": Who is "she"? Syal or Myri? (I know, but the casual reader might not.)
 * Look good? Menkooroo 03:03, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Shifting loyalties/Fighting for Corellia: "Days later, Antilles was sent to negotiate with Colonel Jacen Solo," [...] "at Solo's request." [...] etc.: You just got done talking about Han and Leia. Now you introduce Jacen and start throwing around "Solo", and it's sometimes unclear who you're referring to, particularly in "at Solo's request". With so many Solos in close proximity in this section of the article, I would suggest using first names for them throughout this paragraph.
 * Changed the first two to "the Colonel" and "Jacen Solo" respectively. Are the rest OK? It's already been established that Wedge is sitting down and talking to him, and the only two remaining cases of "Solo" in the paragraph are surrounded by mentions of him being a young man and the son of Wedge's good friends. Menkooroo 03:03, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds fine to me.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 05:38, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Shifting loyalties/In the Jedi Coalition: The quote for his section will need to be changed over to Dialogue if the quote CT above ends in the way it looks like it'll end.
 * .  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 03:07, December 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * The bio is now done. P&T will be next. Have a Merry Christmas!  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 19:14, December 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Personality and traits/Professional abilities: This subsection has two paragraphs about his skills. Do you think there's enough information to turn this into a full-fledged "Skills and abilities" section?
 * I'm the one who asked Havac to add that section into p & t, so I might be able to speak for it. The section is pretty beefy and encompassing in terms of content and does a good job of laying out his skills and accomplishments, but is also short and to the point. I wouldn't say it's long enough to justify a new section that's separate from p & t --- when you look at every other section in the article, two paragraphs is babyfood. This info may not speak volumes about his personality, but it's definitely about his "traits." Do you think it's OK where it is? Menkooroo 03:03, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Based on that explanation, yeah, I'd say it's fine as is.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 05:38, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * P&T and Relationships are now done. BTS will be next.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 23:21, December 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * No objections to the BTS, but I do have one image objection: File:WedgeManLove.jpg is so blurry that I can barely make it out. Please recapture it or find someone who can.
 * High-motion frames are troublesome in any format, and high-motion scenes are troublesome in HD. So this looks less blurry a few frames later in the HD version, but it looks much better in SD. And it looks much, much better a few frames later and in SD. In short, it's as fixed as it's going to get until September. Let's hope this passes before then. :-P   --  Darth Culator  (Talk) 00:34, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * And that concludes my review. Overall, a great job.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 19:16, December 30, 2010 (UTC)

Eyrezer

 * "Antilles's first mission with Darklighter was a convoy raid in which Darklighter acquitted himself extremely well". There should be a link for this mission, and judging from Darklighter's article, you could also a bit more information on the mission.
 * "was part of a mission to strike an Incom Corporation facility and acquire several T-65 X-wing starfighters for the budding Rebellion" Likewise, this battle should have a link.
 * Links added for both missions. It doesn't seem like there's any additional detail to be said about the former save for info specifically about Darklighter and Amil Karsk, which doesn't seem pertinent to Wedge. Do you think it's OK as it is? Menkooroo 14:24, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Pablo's blog in Ref #165 is no longer available. Is it possible to link to an archived version somewhere? --Eyrezer 22:41, April 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Done. Feel free to modify it if there's a better way to link to it. Menkooroo 04:54, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * In "Royal Surprise", I think the transition to tracking down the Starfaring needs to be more clearly introduced. On first reading, I thought the ship was connected to Tavira stealing the treasury. I think this transition could be achieved by adding more detail as to what the Starfaring was and why they were being ordered to find it. I also think mentioning the Bothan crew earlier would help things. --Eyrezer 10:44, May 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * Let me know if this is good. It seems like the reason they were ordered to find it was simply because it belonged to the New Republic, and it had gone missing. Menkooroo 14:24, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * The last paragraph of "Palpatine's return" jumps too quickly. It could do with some more context to make sense of what is happening and Antilles role in it. --Eyrezer 10:52, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

Exiled Jedi

 * In the infobox, what is the (14) after his birth year?
 * Year after the Great ReSynchronization. It's pretty common in infoboxes.
 * Shouldn't you link the first color in the infobox to Color?
 * Done. Also, a handy note for you: Most of your objections fall under what's known as the clause. If there's a minor correction to make, by all means, make it.
 * Shouldn't you mention the Confederation as one of his affiliations in the infobox? (Also, it wouldn't be a bad idea to mention the Five Worlds in the introduction.)
 * Wedge resigned from the Corellian Defense Force before the Confederation was born. Not sure if throwing in a mention of the Five Worlds is necessary, as there's already sufficient detail on his role in the Corellian Defense Force. See below about condensing stuff in the intro.

Introduction

 * You should probably mention when and where he was born close to the start of the intro.
 * For an article this long, there's only so much that can be put in the intro. Condensing things is essential, and calling him Corellian at the beginning of the intro accomplishes this in an efficient fashion.
 * I would also directly mention that he is a male and Human in the intro.
 * Done.
 * I would also mention his parent's death.
 * See above (about condensing). The "orphaned" accomplishes this without bogging the intro down in detail.
 * It would be good to mention that Coruscant is a planet in the intro.
 * Done.
 * Context on Warlord Zsinj.
 * Done.
 * I would mention what faction Ackbar is the Supreme Commander of.
 * Not sure if that's the best idea. Keeping the intro focused on Wedge is important, and it's already been established that he's part of the New Republic. Going into a little side-tangent about Ackbar might be a bit counterproductive.
 * Context on Adumar.
 * Done.
 * Linking issues (I am not entirely sure about some of these so I am asking you to fix them as you see best. I am listing them all here this way instead of saying you have linking problems in the intro.)
 * Linking issues are definitely a sofixit; if you see any missing links, feel free to add them. I've personally added several hundred links to the article already, but if you see any I missed, please stick 'em in. Definitely keep sofixit in mind for the future, especially in regard to adding links.
 * I would link squadron in the intro.
 * I think that when you say "Antilles and Skywalker built Rogue Squadron into a renowned unit, and after the Battle of Hoth, Antilles took command." in the intro, you could link command to Rogue Leader. However, I am not sure if this is the right thing to do or not.
 * If there is an article for the operations against Zsinj link it, otherwise create the article.
 * You should link the mission to Adumar you mention in the intro.
 * I think you could link chief of staff in the fourth paragraph.
 * If there is an article for Wedge's escape from the Galactic Alliance link it. Otherwise I think it would be good to create an article for it (if possible).
 * You could link imprisoned in the fifth paragraph to prison.
 * That's it for the intro and infobox. (Don't worry about the large number of objections, most of them are really minor.)-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  21:25, June 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Linked everything suggested above, save for the escape from the prison, which isn't really a noteworthy enough event to warrant an article. Menkooroo 09:11, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

Biography&mdash;Youth&mdash;Boyhood

 * I would mention that Corellia was a planet.
 * Done.
 * I would also mention he was a male and a human at the start of this section.
 * Done.
 * I couldn't seem to find an article on it, but I think that there should be an article on his parent's fueling depot.
 * Redlinked for now. Article coming soon.
 * An article on fueling depots in general wouldn't hurt either.
 * Space station seems to apply just fine.
 * Context on Loka Hask. -- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  12:30, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * I was looking for somewhere to add "pirate," but he's identified as the captain of a pirate ship, which seems to be enough context. Menkooroo 13:08, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

Biography&mdash;Youth&mdash;On his own

 * Context on his freighter. (Is it known what model it was? Did he give it a name?) I also think that this should have an article, but I could not find one on it.
 * Nope; it only appears in a few panels of the comic Lucky. Nothing is known about it. I'll get to creating an article soon.
 * Got it!
 * It seems that there should be an article on the town on Gus Talon.
 * Good call. I'll create it soon.
 * Got it, too.
 * I thought that his girlfriend was killed by the Imperials. It doesn't say that for sure here. I know I haven't reviewed the whole article, but does he ever find out for sure that Mala was killed? -- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  12:30, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope. Mala isn't brought up in any other piece of canon, save for her CSWE entry. Wedge never thinks about her again. Menkooroo 12:35, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, then I think the part about her being killed in the introduction needs to be reworded so it does not say that she is killed.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  13:39, June 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Turns out her CSWE entry confirms her death. Added that info.
 * That's all for now. I didn't know it was you taking care of this article, Menkooroo.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  12:30, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

Biography&mdash;Youth&mdash;Rebel hotshot

 * There is a redlink at the start of the second paragraph. (I think it would be good to have an article for this.)
 * Context on Yavin 4.
 * In paragraph six: Perhaps an article could be created for the cantina they waited in.
 * In paragraph seven: Maybe an article should be created on the Imperial base on Folor. (Note there is an article called Folor Base, but it is about a base that the New Republic set up.) -- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  14:14, July 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * You can't mandate the creation of specific articles via objection unless the link is in the intro or infobox. You can require that the article be brought under the redlink limit, but you can't pick which articles get created to fix this. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 19:14, July 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I did not know that.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  19:25, July 3, 2011 (UTC)

Biography&mdash;Youth&mdash;Victory at Yavin

 * Context on John D. Branon, he kind of appears out of nowhere. (His callsign would be enough extra information as it would say what squadron he was a part of.)
 * Since its mentioned, how about an article on micro-maneuvering controls?
 * I would mention Tyber Zann's Zann Consortium. -- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  14:14, July 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Got both. Menkooroo 14:33, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Biography&mdash;Rogue warrior&mdash;Forming Rogue Squadron

 * Context on Sarkli.
 * Yeah there isn't a whole lot on him.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  16:00, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Context on Vactooine.
 * I would explicitly say what the backwater planet was that Jal Te Gneiv was assigned to. (I know its linked but saying it directly would be better in my opinion.)
 * Context on Jabinza and why Jal Te Gneiv was there.
 * Context on Dantooine.
 * Please say where Kwenn Space Station was located.
 * Context on Bonadan. -- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  14:14, July 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Blah, sorry it took me so long to get to these. All should be taken care of (save for Sarkli, as there's really nothing else to say about him). I'm going on vacation for a few days, and even after I get back, feel free to be liberal with the clause while completing your review. If there's missing context, go ahead and add "the planet" or whatever needs to go in. Only together can we help this nom finally pass. :) Menkooroo 14:33, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I wasn't sure how much I should do on someone else's nomination, thanks for telling me I could go ahead and add context to this article.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  16:00, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's an art rather than a science, and there's no concrete line that's been drawn. This case is kind of an exceptional one, as the original nominator is gone. Be bold! Menkooroo 16:14, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll continue my review and leave objections for any major problems.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  16:01, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Good stuff. Eyrezer might finish his review before you do and give the nom its final required vote to pass, but I'll try to ensure that it isn't archived until your review is complete. Menkooroo 16:14, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  17:07, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Biography&mdash;Rogue warrior&mdash;Defectors and captors

 * The Gerrard V article makes it sound like Kohl Seerdon is the Imperial governor, but the governor is not identified in the Wedge Antilles article. Is the governor Seerdon?
 * It seems like it, yeah. Good catch. Added.
 * I'm sorry, but I can't seem to see what you did to change anything. It still says "When the inhabitants of the planet Gerrard V revolted against the Empire, the Imperial governor began looting the world as he prepared to flee." Did you add it somewhere else?-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  17:06, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Pipelinked Kohl Seerdon to "governor" and linked governor on its next mention. Menkooroo 07:03, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it would be better if you mentioned him by name. Then it is easier to tell that he is the same individual mentioned later.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  12:07, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Addressed.  Master Jonathan &mdash; Jedi Council Chambers Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 16:49 UTC
 * Is the factory on Balmorra a factory that produces walkers and TIEs or two separate factories, each producing either walkers or TIEs?
 * Just one factory, as near as I can tell. I've rejigged the sentence to hopefully make it clearer.
 * In the paragraph that starts with this sentenc: "On hearing intelligence reports of Imperials bringing power generators from the abandoned Rebel base on Dantooine to Corellia, Antilles called on the same agent to capture the officer in charge of the mysterious project, General Graise, and bring him in for interrogation." where exactly is this happening? -- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  22:40, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think Kor Vella. I've indicated as such. Menkooroo 15:52, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Biography&mdash;Rogue warrior&mdash;Freedom's winter

 * I was wondering if it is known which walker was destroyed by Wedge. It seems like something that we should try to find out. -- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  22:40, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not sure how to handle this one. Do the different walkers from the battle have names? Do we have articles on them?
 * Yeah, each one has a callsign of Blizzard . The article for Blizzard 2 says that it is the walker destroyed by Antilles but I am not sure where you can find it said that Blizzard 2 was the walker destroyed by Antilles. Perhaps the Blizzard 2 card from the Customizable card game says Antilles destroyed it.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  17:11, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Found confirmation of Blizzard 2 in Inside the Worlds of Star Wars Trilogy. Added, and thanks for the help. Menkooroo 07:09, August 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * There are currently, by my count, thirty redlinks in the article, but some of them may not be article worthy. Please tell me if one or more are unneccessary. I will try to create stubs for some of these articles to help out.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  22:49, July 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Working on this... give me a bit more time. :) Menkooroo 15:53, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries. It seems that I do not have a lot of these sources, so my help will be limited.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  17:11, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Biography&mdash;Rogue Leader&mdash;Running the Rogues

 * On Geonosis, Wedge had an R5 droid with him that fixed the Aethersprite fighter. I think it was major enough to be mentioned.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  21:51, July 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll be more than happy to add something about that, but hopefully you can help me out, as I'm unfamiliar with Rebel Strike: Is the R5 initially with him in the X-wing, too, or does he find it on the surface? Menkooroo 15:55, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the R5 unit is his droid that crashed with him in Wedge's X-wing, and in the game you have to protect it until you reach the Jedi Starfighter. Then you have to protect the droid from Sarkli in a Republic gunship while the droid repairs the starfighter.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  17:13, August 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I added something about it. Is that enough? I've never even heard of Rebel Strike until just now, so I'm flying blind here.  Master Jonathan &mdash; Jedi Council Chambers Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 17:02 UTC

Biography&mdash;Rogue Leader&mdash;A second Death Star

 * What kind of walkers came out of the Motivator?
 * AT-ATs and AT-PTs, baby! Added.
 * Could you provide some additional information on Keir Santage in the article. -- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  04:17, August 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Red Seven, standing by. Menkooroo 15:58, August 21, 2011 (UTC)

Biography&mdash;Rogue Leader&mdash;Encounter on Mrlsst

 * Please provide more context on Plourr Ilo. (A species is given for Dllr Nep, but no additional information is given for Ilo.)
 * Describing Ilo as a "fellow Rogue" should be enough context for her relationship in regards to Antilles.
 * Please make it clear whether or not Taj Junak was the ghost Jedi or not.
 * Clarification added.
 * Who is Keela? -- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  03:23, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Keela is clearly described as "Academy President Gyr Keela" in the first sentence of the sixth paragraph. - Cavalier One FarStar Logo.jpg( Squadron channel ) 20:06, September 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oops!-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  22:10, September 18, 2011 (UTC)

Biography&mdash;Rogue Leader&mdash;Foiling Olan

 * Why is Septaas important enough to be mentioned separately? Perhaps some context would help.
 * His article wasn't much use, but I think I got it anyway.  Master Jonathan &mdash; Jedi Council Chambers Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 17:06 UTC

Biography&mdash;Rogue Leader&mdash;Royal Suprise

 * Could Herian I'ngre be mentioned as joining the squadron separately, like the other three new pilots were, or is there not enough information on this pilot to do this?
 * Mentioned a notable fact about her.  Master Jonathan &mdash; Jedi Council Chambers Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 17:13 UTC

Comments

 * Great job on the Intro, Personality, and Bts. Haven't had much time to read the actual body of the article yet. —Xwing328 (Talk) 05:42, August 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I moved the Fall of Coruscant image up a bit. I think the spacing is better this way; it was way too close to the first Borleias image. Lemme know what ya think. Menkooroo 04:16, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's fine any way. Havac 09:02, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * And FYI I redlinked Tralusian. Menkooroo 13:46, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * I currently count seven redlinks: Talasea base, Bror Jace's great-uncle, Assault on Noquivzor, Antilles's Rogues, Tralusian, Special Ops: The Sharpshooter, and Star Players. Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 22:07, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Should be down to two. I de-linked Bror Jace's great-uncle, since it's not clear that he's a real person (per The Bacta War, the message he was dying was a coded summons, so it's not necessarily the case that he was a real dying person). And Assault on Noquivzor is the Battle of Noquivzor. Havac 04:20, September 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * The images in the relationships section seemed... way too big. Some of them were even overlapping each other at my resolution. I've shrunk a few of them down --- let me know what you think.
 * I think one set overlapped on my resolution, just because the sections are so small. I didn't mind, since they weren't seriously in conflict, but having them a little smaller is fine. Havac 09:02, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Similarly, I understand that linking the gals again in the relationships section was a stylistic choice, but as "Relationships" is still part of the article's body, this is probably a no-no. The "mainarticle" template might be a better choice. Menkooroo 15:42, September 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * There are provisions for extra linking in extra-long articles anyway. If you want mainarticle, I don't object to that. Havac 09:02, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also, Jeff, I undid that one change with the meeting with Jacen, because with the commas I don't think it should have been confusing where it was, and putting it first could have created confusion that Han was asking him to meet with Jacen or something. Havac 09:02, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Menkooroo 14:34, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Redlinked Battle of Comkin V in the Solo Command stuff. The article's still safely at three redlinks, but just thought I'd let ya know. Menkooroo 14:24, December 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Rogue and Wraith Squadron are missing from the "affiliation" part of his infobox.-- ID-21 Dolphin  DolphinJedi.png(Talk) 19:54, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * There's no hard and fast rule saying that every squadron someone has been involved in needs to be included in the infobox --- a lot of people prefer to leave it minimal, especially when the character has been in a number of squadrons. Wedge has been involved in many more squadrons than just the Rogues and the Wraiths, so in this case, it's probably better to keep the infobox simple rather than have it a mile long and cluttered-looking. Menkooroo 04:29, February 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but Rogue Squadron is really his thing. You don't have to put it for Jacen Solo, for example, but Wedge warrants it.-- ID-21 Dolphin  DolphinJedi.png(Talk) 21:12, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Rogue Squadron is his thing, but so are Wraith Squadron, Rakehell Squadron, the Lusankya, etc --- besides which, it's an all-or-nothing kind of deal. We need to be consistent in our articles; once one squadron goes in, the rest have to as well. I see where you're coming from, but consistency is crucial. Menkooroo 03:51, March 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * I know I can't vote for this, but it is a great article, and Wedge is the best pilot in the Alliance save for Luke. Youdead00 16:24, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Uh-oh, we're back above the redlink limit. Not making this an objection, since it could be remedied well before I get a chance to recheck it, but for the record they are Antilles's Rogues, Antilles fueling depot, Battle of Comkin V, Talasea base, Unidentified Imperial research facility, and Unidentified cyborg. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 19:14, July 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll be away for a few days, but I'll get on creating this when I get back. Sorry for the delay. Menkooroo 14:34, July 28, 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't and won't have Choices of One for a long time, which the article apparently needs an update from. Is there anybody else who can update the article with the appropriate info? As twelve people have already read through and reviewed this mammoth, hopefully we can keep the FAN going. Menkooroo 03:17, August 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * I need to pay more attention to these pages. Before this goes bye-bye, here's everything on Wedge from H2H for future reference:

Wedge Antilles

Longtime Rebel pilot
 * Homeworld: Corellia
 * Affiliation: Rebel Alliance
 * Species: Human
 * Height/Weight: 1.7 meters/77 kilograms
 * Weapons: Blaster pistol
 * Special move: Corellian haymaker punch


 * That's it. Make use of it how you will.  Sorry it was late.  Next time you need anything from H2H, hit me up.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 08:17, October 13, 2011 (UTC)

Vote to remove nomination (Inq only)

 * 1) This wasn't an easy decision for me. Twelve users, including myself, have spent a lot of time and effort reviewing this mammoth of an article, and it accordingly seems like a damn shame and a huge waste for the article to not ultimately pass. The thing is, though, Havac is long-gone, and it's clear that there's nobody around who's willing to maintain the article. And with Wedge being, well, Wedge, there will consistently be updates and maintenance required. There's been an update tag for Choice of One on the article for two months now, and nobody has bothered to update it. ExiledJedi has some two-month-old objections as well. I'll be on severely, severely reduced Wook time for a few months beginning next week, and I won't be able to address any further objections ExiledJedi makes during the remainder of his review. We could keep this thing going, but I can't help but feel that it's a lost cause. Even if someone did update it for Choice of One, how long would it be before the completed FA was brought to an Inq meeting with a new update tag? I'm not able to take over this nom like I once hoped to do, and it's clear that nobody else is, either. It's time that we bring Old Yeller out back and shoot him. Menkooroo 07:40, October 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) I admire the effort, but articles of this size require that effort to be continued throughout the entirety of the review process, which clearly hasn't been the case here.  CC7567  (talk) 07:50, October 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's a shame. 1358  (Talk)  13:24, October 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) *I'm willing to make an attempt to save the nom, but it will depend on whether I can access needed sources without busting my budget (i.e. get them from the library) in a reasonable amount of time. There's no guarantee I'll succeed and every chance this thing might go down in flames anyway, but you're damn crazy if you think I'm just gonna sit here and watch it die without trying to do something about it.  Master Jonathan &mdash; Jedi Council Chambers Wednesday, October 19, 2011, 16:54 UTC