Talk:Second Battle of Coruscant (Clone Wars)

We're Doomed!
As perhaps the major battle in Revenge of the Sith, this page desperately needs to be filled in. Events from the last few episodes of Clone Wars need to be included in the description of the battle as a whole, as well as any other sources that deal with the outcome of the battle following Obi-Wan's, Anakin's, Palpatine's and Artoo's crash landing and General Grievous' escape. As such I suggest a person with greater knowledge of EU should flesh this page out a bit more. --SeanR 11:44, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Casualties
I've gone slightly away from convention when listing casualties and only mentioned important figures who perished in the battle. It seems silly to me to list "some Clone Troopers" and "some Battle Droids"; of course they died, it's a battle! I suggest only named characters that perish in the battles should be listed under the casualties section. --SeanR 11:44, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * That might be better to bring up under the Community portal. --SparqMan 14:29, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Second Battle?
As far as I am aware, there was only one Battle of Coruscant during the Clone Wars. There is only the one listed in the big list of the Clone Wars page. If indeed there is only one battle then I move to have the First Battle of Coruscant removed and have this page renamed to "Battle of Coruscant (Clone Wars)". --SeanR 11:46, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * That Clone Wars page is very incomplete. Check the List of battles page. -- Riffsyphon1024 00:35, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't know what the second battle could be. Perhaps the first was Grievous' ground strike to claim Palpatine, and the second was the space battle? Grasping at straws. --SparqMan 00:36, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * The first battle was in the obscure video game New Droid Army. I'm not sure about the details of it though; apparently it was a pretty limited ground invasion. Gladius 00:56, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Republic General?

 * Who put Lorth Needa as a commander in the battle of coruscant?As I remember,The republic only had clone and Jedi commanders.Are you saying needa was a Jedi?Purplesaber 42
 * The Republic Navy (and later Imperial Navy) has human, non-clone officers. Clones and Jedi are both soldiers in the Army of the Republic. QuentinGeorge 07:59, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Lorth Needa wasn't a commander in the battle. He was just a Lt. QX100

Shaak Ti's death and Fuel
Should I put the Greivous stabbing Shaak in back scene up and the Fuel tank scene up even thoe they are cut from the film--wattamb2000
 * What proof is there that Greivous stabbed Shaak Ti. From what I've seen, its Anakin that does the killing. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:31, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, actually, Shaak Ti was to be brought aboard the Invisible Hand with Palpatine, and she was to get stabbed in the back. However, this plot was scrapped and Shaak Ti's death was moved into the Jedi Temple. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:23, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * But that was deleated too--wattamb2000
 * No it wasn't. They scrapped the idea of Greivous stabbing Shaak Ti and moved her death to inside the Jedi Temple, where it remained. That's why in the Clone Wars mirco-series, Shaak Ti is still on Coruscant after Greivous leaves with Palpatine. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 14:00, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Look at the wikipedia article on Shaak Ti--wattamb2000
 * Well, I fixed that mistake. The Episode III Visual Dictionary is in fact more realiable than any other source. So wattamb, you don't have a case. Plus, how do we know that you didn't write that yourself? Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:00, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Labyrinth of Evil
Uh... I was just wondering why only Clone Wars stuff is on this page and not one mention of anything from Labyrinth of Evil. -24.247.124.158
 * Well if it is missing and you can fill the article in, go ahead. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:32, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * But I have no idea how Labyrinth of Evil is going to fit in with Clone Wars, since the two tell the same thing only in completly different ways. --24.247.124.158
 * Well Id say totally ignore the cartoon, but Im biased like that. Durnar 13:31, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * That would mean basically rewriting the entire article. --24.247.124.158
 * It wouldn't mean rewriting the entire article, just a part (or two) of it to make it flow more smoothly between the Clone Wars cartoon and Labyrinth of Evil. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 16:49, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Does anyone know a good place that has a summary of the battle with a mix of clone wars and LOE? -24.247.124.158
 * Check star wars timeline.com --wattamb2000
 * Thanks! I'll get started on that now! --24.247.124.158
 * One thing, it's kind of hard to fit the info into the exsisting text. Should I just completely rewrite it? --24.247.124.158

Every Star Wars Movie has a major battle in it. Even those there's more than one major battle in Revenge of the Sith, the Battle of Coruscant is the main battle in the movie.

You can rewrite it if you want to--wattamb2000
 * I've had a go at fitting both sources in, basically trying to work with the events shared by both sources, rather than try and piece every detail together. The stories will never completely fit, so I think a rough outline of the events will suffice - Kwenn

There were 4 jedi knights, a human male, female twi'ek, and the 2 from clone wars cartoon. They arrived after the train battle with the droids. Shaak ti, and Stass allie sent them ahead while they contracted the temple. Then grevious blew up there gunship followed by clone troopers with rocket proplled grenades who blew up his gunship. Shaak ti and allie investigated then raced off to the bunker but by the time they got there grevious was gone. On the way there they ran pasts dead clone troopers, then entered the bunker to find they 4 jedi knights and the 6 red guards dead. Taken from LoE.
 * As we know, the Clone Wars micro-series got things screwed up, but still, it gave us a different picture. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:21, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Check blog of mesa on the matter http://blogs.starwars.com/fixes/2, it's got a list that might help (since it can't me of help to me 'cause I only own LoE in audiobook format). --Master Starkeiller 23:41, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm, interesting... Admiral J. Nebulax 00:57, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Ok loe is where the clone wars cartoon got the Battle of Coruscant from but it was a earlier version they put on tv. So LoE is the canon fact of Battle of Coruscant so the cartoon is wrong mostly. Ill post all the facts of BaC2 from LoE later. plokoon9619
 * Yes, the Clone Wars cartoons are probably wrong, and I'd have to agree that LoE shows it the correct way. But, we'd have to somehow combine both of those. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:13, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * I say make 2 sections cartoon/book stating that the cartoon is a less canon version from a earlier stage of LoE.aLSO GREVIOUS got his cough from the battle of boz pity when mace did it. plo Koon9619
 * It's official LFL policy that LOE and Clone Wars are both equally rated in terms of canonicity. Kuralyov 06:49, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright lets make two sepearte battles *Cartoon and *Book.
 * If you do that, I'll rip your spine out. With my teeth.--Xilentshadow900 01:30, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd also have to oppose that, while disavowing Xilentshadow's violent appreaoch (though that would be interesting to see). However, I mostly oppose it due to the fact that it would seem OOU. -- SFH 01:37, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Never would we make two separate articles. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:29, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * all you guys want to have is the gay cartoon. The article leaves out half of the book. 4 jedi protected palps in the bunker not plus with clone troopers and red guard.
 * I don't. The cartoon has screwed plenty of things up, but still, we have two different ways of showing it. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:55, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Lock
Please lock this page, as Xilentshadow900 is not giving up with his constant edit of "better known as" instead of the correct "sometimes referred to as". Moderators, I revert this constantly, as well do others, to the correct way, and yet he still makes it the other way. So, once again, please lock this page. It has already been stated that there was a "First Battle of Coruscant (Clone Wars)", depsite Xilentshadow's refusal to believe it. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:37, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Besides the fact that the first "battle" was hardly a battle, it is a fact' that this battle is better known as "the battle of Coruscant." are you going to argue with the facts? And other people means one other person. Xilentshadow900 20:39, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Yet, "sometimes referred to" is better, as it shows that it was the Second Battle of Coruscant, despite being reffer to as the Battle of Coruscant. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:40, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * But the fact is that it IS better known as the battle of coruscant, because people actually refer to is as the second battle of Coruscant. Only a few people, namely us, refer to it as the second. Xilentshadow900 20:42, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * But it WAS called the Second Battle of Coruscant, and was REFERRED to as the Battle of Coruscant. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:44, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * And it IS MORE COMMONLY KNOWN as the battle of Coruscant, instead of just SOMETIMES REFFERED TO as the battle of coruscant, the people who actually refer to it call it "The Battle of Coruscant". Xilentshadow900 20:45, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * You know what, Xilentshadow, I'm sick and tired of you. But since I'm so tired of arguing with you and constantly reverting everything you write, I'm stopping here, despite that fact that it should be "sometimes referred to". Now, go have fun and have a victory dance. But the illogical one here is you. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:53, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Despite the fact that you are clearly wrong, I thank you for stopping. Xilentshadow900 20:57, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not even going to argue, that's how sick I am of you. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:58, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Speaking as someone who has not been involved in this debate and will now stay far away from it, I think this is long overdue for a lock. What is it, 15 reverts now? In fact, maybe the talk page should be locked for a day or so you can both rest and come back and discuss it more calmly. &mdash; Silly Dan 21:00, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Can't we just simply leave it 'better known as' or remove it? TopAce, 23:16 28 Oct 2005, GMT +1h
 * It's being left as 'better known as', because it is. Xilentshadow900 21:07, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)


 * Maybe there is a better way to solve this. I just looked through the Wiki and found that the First Battle of Coruscant is from "The New Droid Army". From the way it is worded, it doesn't really deserve to be called a "battle" in the truest sense of the word. So maybe that first Battle of Coruscant could be changed to reflect that, while this be changed to made the true Battle of Coruscant. After all, when you think about it, which one seems more like a "battle" situation?TIEPilot051999 21:08, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * The New Essential Chronology expands the NDA reference to make it more of a real battle. It has people in Coruscant "shuddering with fear" and describes it as having a major effect on morale. QuentinGeorge 22:26, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Wow, the argument I've been making the whole time. I guess I have two supporters now. Xilentshadow900 21:10, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I just want to end an argument before somebody does something they'll regret later.TIEPilot051999 21:13, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * It should say "sometimes referred to as" because there was a battle on the planet before 19 BBY. It is completely illogical to say "better known as the Battle of Coruscant" if there was already a battle on Coruscant before that in the Clone Wars. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:12, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I was weakly supporting Jack on this issue, but after Quentin said that NEC makes the first incursion more of a true battle, I definitely support keeping it at Second Battle, maybe with a mention that it's sometimes called just the 'Battle of Coruscant.' Kuralyov 23:18, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Which would be "sometimes referred to as the Battle of Coruscant". Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:20, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, official sources rule above all. Well, go change it then. Xilentshadow900 00:14, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I'll do it. Xilentshadow900 00:16, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh my... |_0xx3|)? Crazy... Well, I was going to fix it...--Xilentshadow900 00:18, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Changed wording to "sometimes referred to as". Cmdr. J. Nebulax 00:40, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Procurators and Mandator IIs?
I wasn't aware that these two classes were present at the battle, which source has this? Or is it a case of 'put everything in anyway' like I've seen elsewhere...? VT-16 10:26, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't they only have short distance hyperdrives and hence can't leave their home systems? QuentinGeorge 12:15, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe so. As for them in the battle, who knows. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:43, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * "Someone" must know, because "someone" listed them in this article. Otherwise, they're eligable for removal. VT-16 21:18, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, if there is no source, we have every right to just removed them now. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 21:21, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Keep them in. This is a Core World. Core Worlds have those large warships defending them, especially Coruscant. -SWF
 * Just because they defended Core worlds doesn't mean they were necissarily in the battle. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:42, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Just remove them right now, because I've yet to see any evidence that they were present. VT-16 16:48, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Right away. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:29, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Images
Okay, where Starkeiller has them, it's screwed up for me. Where I have them, it's screwed up for Starkeiller. Solution: let's get rid of a picture or two. Personally, I think the second Grievous picture isn't needed. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:09, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, should we get rid of the Force-crushed pic? --Master Starkeiller 18:13, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * That's what I was thinking. Now that I see what you see, I think the article would benefit from one less picture. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:16, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. I also made the previous pic bigger. --Master Starkeiller 18:17, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you. And please, not that big. 250px is good. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:19, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. It's just that it's very nice (I'm quite proud of it) and should stand out, don't you think? --Master Starkeiller 18:20, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but 300px was too big, as well as 275px. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:22, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, it's fine now. --Master Starkeiller 18:23, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Good. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:24, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Shields
Did planetary shields exist at this time in galactic history? And if so, how did the Separatists get past them? -- SFH 18:02, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think they did. And I'm sure Palpatine gave them something to bypass the planetary shields or something like that. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:17, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * With all of the traffic going in and out of Coruscant, it would've been impossible. Besides, the Separatist armada attacked Coruscant via secret hyperspace lanes, taking the Republic completely by suprise. Before they knew it, Vulture droids were swarming in and out of traffic. The only shields they did manage to raise, as far as we know, were over the Senate District. --AdmThrawn 18:20, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Not just the Senate District. From what I read in LoE, shields rose all over the planet. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:21, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * You can see what might be the shields at the very beginning of ROTS. When Anakin and OB1 dive down below the Venator, you see a couple of little blue bursts around them. This MAY be the shield opening momentatily to let them in.. --Commander Mike 03:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Rom Mohc
What's the source detailing the participation of Rom Mohc in this battle? The Wizards article reads "Rom Mohc saw action in the Coruscant Insurrection of the Separatist's cortosis droid army." [1]. That would make him a participant of the First battle, not the Second one, unless there's a different source involved, of course.--JTS 15:20, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly, someone presented a source before. Plus, if he was stationed on Coruscant since the First Battle of Coruscant, we could assume he was there. But until a source is presented, I'll remove it. Admiral J. Nebulax 15:29, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

V-Wings
I don't know if you guys ever noticed these, but I think this is the only time we see them during the Battle of Coruscant.--Rune Haako 19:27, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/2115/vwings8ah.jpg
 * Why does it matter? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Just thought people might be interested if they didn't know about them.--Rune Haako 20:13, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, then. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:16, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * And actually, they do appear somewhere else. When Obi-Wan is being chased by the discord missiles, a V-wing flies by on the top right corner, at least in the ScreenThemes version. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:16, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

Grievou's organs
The cartoon shows Grievous recieving his cough there, but the first battle of Boz Pity also provides an oppertunity for it. TNEC fits either case, but the problem with Grievous being severly injured on the ground is that if he was, then he would have been damaged when he was trying to fly up, when he fought the two Jedi in the hangar bay, and in the film itself. And he wasn't. So more likely the damage was actually done on Boz Pity, and the cartoon explanation has to be disregarded. Lowkey