Talk:Showdown on Coruscant

Are you serious?
So now individual lightsaber fights get their own battle pages? The line has to be drawn somewhere, methinks. Kuralyov 17:27, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Why not? --Master Starkeiller 17:28, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

erm its a very speical event me thinks. so yeh it deserves a space, it does need doing up though... JediDude
 * I also believe it deserves some mention. Mostly because it's a little more than a duel and something less than an all out war. -- SFH 18:31, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * We have pages for holidays and major events (Life Day, Empire Day, declaration of the Empire) so why not for lightsaber duels? They're still battles, albeit in reduced forms - what were the ancient Jedi vs Sith battles if not overinflated lightsaber duels? Besides, duels such as this, and the 'Battle of the Heroes' are some of the most important events in galactic history, easily comparable to the formation of the Empire - Kwenn 18:36, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Well said, Kwenn. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:47, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * My only question is the name, I think it deserves a more accurate name, "duel on Coruscant" could also apply to Sidious' and Yoda's duel on the Senate Rotunda. Also, shouldn't Anakin or Vader be counted in the side of the Sith considering he interfered on the duel?. --Gonzalo84 01:46, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * The "duel" had been over by the time he arrived. Palpatine was defeated and Mace was pointinghis blade to Palpatine's face. - TopAce 11:02, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Duel?
This question may be because of my misknowing of words, but does not "duel" mean only a one vs. one fight? Because this battle was not practically a one vs. one, it was four vs. one. That's another fish in the keetle that three of them died in ten seconds. - TopAce 11:04, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Massacre? -- Riffsyphon1024 11:34, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Jedi Rebellion? --Master Starkeiller 12:13, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Quitel ?KEJ 12:29, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Jedi Rebellion sounds good, though as long as we note it was the term used by Palpatine to describe the battle in his office - Kwenn 12:53, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * The Jedi Rebellion also included the raid on the Temple and Order 66. If we renamed in "Jedi Rebellion", we'd have to rearrange some things. --Master Starkeiller 13:22, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Showdown on Coruscant? jSarek 19:45, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, "Showdown" and "Duel" are basically the same. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:30, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Fan reaction
Should we include a section of the reaction towards this "duel"? Many fans were disappointed with its poor choreography and the likes KEJ 12:29, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps in conjunction with something about the last-minute reworking of the fight (originally Anakin was present throughout) that may have contributed to what some fans deem poor choreography and effects - Kwenn 12:53, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think a behind the scenes section would be juicy. --Master Starkeiller 13:15, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:06, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)

I think it may be more imortant to mention the controversial outcome of the duel rather than poor choreography.
 * We could also menrion that the way Kit Fisto, Saesee Tiin and Agen Kolar died was way too fast for the liking of fans for each character. Does that make sense? - TopAce 14:54, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * It would make more sense like: The fans of Kit Fisto, Saesee Tiin and Agen Kolar were disappointed when those characters were killed early in the duel without putting up a fight. - Alpha Fire 01:50, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait a minute, now that I'm thinking this over, we shouldn't add things about fans' reactions. We're an encyclopedia, not a Star Wars forum. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:49, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * We already have sections about fan reactions, about each Episode (I think). - TopAce 10:41, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Images
Would it be better to exchange the two images? I think the one with all four Jedi on it should be the main picture, while the Mace vs. Sidious one in the article. What do you think? - TopAce 10:41, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * The Mace vs. Sidious picture shoes the action, so no, they shouldn't be switched. Admiral J. Nebulax 13:11, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * No way, they're fine. --Master Starkeiller 13:18, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Chancellor's Office
I had moved this to Duel in the Chancellor's Office because this was not the only "Duel on Coruscant" so it should not be called so. How about the Duel in the Senate? That was another "Duel on Coruscant". Wolfdog 18:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops. I'll fix it. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:59, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I'm going to try and set up more "Duel" pages that others can help expand. Wolfdog 19:01, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * If you need any help, I'd be glad to see what I can do. Admiral J. Nebulax 19:26, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Merge
The duel is of little importance, so I propose it be merged into the articles of all involved, as well as the Order 66 article. --Imp Comlink 09:08, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * No, this deserves its own article. It was a specific event. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:22, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * So would anyone care to explain the significance? So Palpatine and Anakin kill a bunch of powerful Jedi, what's the big deal? --Imp Comlink 12:42, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, considering it was a key moment in Anakin's fall to the dark side, four Jedi Masters died, and Palpatine was revealed as Sidious... I'd say that's enough. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:45, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * So all events where someone changes their outlook on life deserve separate articles? I suppose we better add articles on Luke's encounter with Palpatine in Dark Empire, or perhaps Luke's training on Dagobah... --Imp Comlink 12:55, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think we should keep it. -Danik Kreldin 13:04, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * No, Imperialles. It should be kept. This duel, as well as Order 66, were specific events that shaped the course of galactic history, unlike your two "examples". Admiral J. Nebulax 13:14, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Palpatine, revealing himself to be a Sith, kills some insignificant Jedi Masters and recruits a new thug. Hardly what you'd call "shaping the fate of galactic history". The only difference between this and my examples is that this involves a cool lightsaber battle. --Imp Comlink 13:19, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Amendment: Palpatine, revealing himself to be THE Sith, Darth Sidious, kills four Senior Members of the High Council, including Mace Windu himself, and formally declares Anakin Skywalker as Darth Vader, the new Dark Lord of the Sith. Very much shaping the fate of galactic history - Kwenn 13:42, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * See? While I agree that Duel in the Senate can be deleted, this is very important. Admiral J. Nebulax 14:19, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * This article must be kept. At least this now that you are going to delete the Duel in the Senate, throwing the efforts of a dozen of Wookiepedians into the dustbin with a few clicks. - TopAce 16:36, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * If we keep this one how about putting more duels in the battle list, as in the duel between Revan, Jolee, and Juhani against Bastila, etc. User:RushinSundaws
 * Yeah, Rushin. In fact, why don't we make a seperate article for every occasion where a lightsaber is used? --Imp 17:54, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * No, Rushin. We shouldn't have minor battles that didn't decide the fate of the Galaxy as greatly as this one. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:18, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Writing articles about movie duels and game duels are two different things. - TopAce 11:36, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * So you're saying this is more important than, say, the duel between Malak And Revan because it appears in the movies? --Imp 12:34, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * No. This duel was the fate of the Galaxy. Had the Jedi won, there wouldn't be a Galactic Empire, and the Sith would be extinct. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:02, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Everything the Admiral said above is right on the money. Other duels that took place during battles can be put into the articles on the battles. Duels that did not, such as this, the Duel in the Senate, and the Duel on Bespin deserve their own articles. And I take offense at "insignificant" Jedi Masters. -- SFH 21:08, 7 February 2006 (UTC)