Talk:Imperial II-class Star Destroyer/Legends

Appearances
Perhaps the subsection Appearances should be taken out since one could list just about every post-Return of the Jedi novel. Perhaps it should be replaced with 'Sources' subsection?--SOCL 03:29, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. If a complete list of appearances would be made, it would stretch from ESB all the way to the Dark Nest Trilogy. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 15:38, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Bridge viewports can resist a concussion missile?
Is this based on of Isard's Revenge? This says that the Reckonings bridge viewports "resisted the impact at first" when the CM hit, but given the time-delay between the splinters from the shattering "inner layer" lacerating Krennel and the actual explosion, I think it could be read that the missile goes through' the bridge, then drives deeper into the tower, and finally detonates. --McEwok 13:52, 24 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I doubt that the bridge viewport can resist a concussion missile. If the shields are down, it could fly straight into the bridge and detonate, similar to the A-wing in RotJ. Admiral J. Nebulax 14:05, 24 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Imperial III-class?
I have found no real hard evidence yet, except for the Gurps Imperial Sourcebook and a few mentions here and there, but does the Imperial III subclass of the Star Destroyer exist in canon? If so, what's the story behind it? - Danik Kreldin
 * GURPS Imperial Sourcebook? It's not in the West End Games verison, that's all I know.  &mdash; Silly Dan  12:45, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * The GURPS Imperial Sourcebook is unlicensed and non-canon. If there was an Imperial-III in official sources, we'd have had a page for it months ago. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  13:27, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * It would be very interesting to have an Imperial III-class, though. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:03, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * We could always make a general page for ISD variants seen throughout the comics' histories. ;) VT-16 14:49, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * That would be a monumental undertaking. We'd end up with a page a mile long, with a hundred comic image excerpts, with section titles like Imperial-class Star Destroyer with unusual bridge tower face design and Imperial-class star destroyer with elongated forward hangar and Imperial II-class Star Destroyer with Imperial I-class engine baffles. I'd love to see how many we could come up with. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  15:37, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that hit me after posting that. >P
 * I guess we could have something either added to the ISD-I page or in a seperate article, generalizing the most common changes/additions a ship could undergo (assuming we utilize SoD and not "This artist can't draw for shit") ;P VT-16 18:33, 22 January 2006 (UTC)


 * If we had all those pages... Wow. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:13, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Point Defense turrets
Aren't there also approximately twenty point defense laser cannons on the ISD-II? --128.195.98.134 01:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe so. But we'll need a confirmation first. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:44, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Speed
Ok i don't get it how can an Imperial class star destroyer able to catch up to the Millenium Falcon even though it have max acceleration of 2300g while the Falcon has a max accerleration of 3000g? It doesn't make sense. -Darth Tader
 * Please don't delete topics, even if you don't want them here. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:25, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * no, I just moved my disscussion to the Millennium Falcon dissussion page Darth Tader
 * Okay, then, but it appears to involve an Imperial-class Star Destroyer. Admiral J. Nebulax 15:13, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Imperial II in Empire at War?
Doesn't Empire at War take place between Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope? Astroview120mm 04:19, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't really look up to EaW when it comes to canon. --Danik Kreldin 04:20, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * As I always say, games screw up canon. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 13:33, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it was noted somewhere that the ISD-I model was "fixed" for the production of ESB, so that it could be used alongside the ISD-II model (to save money). This was explained as an in-universe refitting, IIRC. I don't have a source, so don't take my word for it, though. VT-16 20:30, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * That's probably the case. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:32, 18 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Since Imperial IIs are in both Empire and Jedi, there are more available images in them and the game designers probably just used those as reference. They might not even have known the difference between I and II. I didn't know for awhile, either. --Commander Mike 05:29, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think game designers know a lot of things, to tell you the truth... Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:12, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The people who make the games don't say "Bwahahaha, let's mess with canon and screw everything up!" They either don't know any better, or they just pick something for ease of programming (the models for ISD-II's may be in better shape or something, or more of them, than ISD-I models) or for gameplay. People playing the Rebels expect to have access to A-Wings, so they stick them in even before they were invented. Most games are made for the casual fan, who may not even know that there are two different ISD subclasses.--Commander Mike 02:33, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course they don't mess up canon on purpose, but I have a feeling they don't know a lot about the Star Wars timeline and when certain things were made. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:02, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

Great...
An idiot just vandalized the article. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20:39, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Reverted. RMF 20:42, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Now the stupid anon needs to be banned, and all the articles that he vandalized need to be reverted. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:43, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Jaymach banned him, and I reverted all his other edits. RMF 20:47, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you, again. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:53, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Jaymach also vandalized the Home One article, can someone unlock it, ban him, and put in the other length which is supported by canon that isn't out dated?
 * Jaymach is not a vandal. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:48, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Then who was?
 * Just because something was changed that you liked doesn't mean a person is a vandal. Jaymach has a very large list of great contributions to this site. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:31, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I was hoping that a reason for the edit was shown. He didn't provide one, at all. I asked him twice if the WEG sourcebook was still valid after 10 years, and he didn't answer.
 * Well, don't call him a vandal because of that. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:39, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Most sites would really call that trollish behavior. I wasn't going to call him a vandal, I would have just liked to see why he chose that figure, and if that source book was still valid after over 10 years.
 * Yet you said that Jaymach vandalized the article. That's the same as calling him a vandal. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:54, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Is it vandalizing if he didn't provide the source? Or answer simple questions to his figure?
 * No. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:01, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Protection
I'm protecting this article due to the ongoing edit war: let an admin know when it's resolved. I suggest resolving it on Talk:Imperial I-class Star Destroyer. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 22:33, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The anon should stop now. And if he doesn't, I think we should ban him for a week. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:34, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * How about we come to a compromise then?
 * The objective here is the truth, not to compromise. If you think you're right, then explain why, citing sources. Otherwise, too bad. JimRaynor55 22:40, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I was trying to explain why until all you jumped down my throat and dogpiled me. Then all I said was ignored and you kept trying to push a figure that doesn't make a damn bit of sense. Really, for such a big ship as a Star Destroyer, does it make sense to be so lightly armed in the big guns? The model is just that, a model, it doesn't show every single encampment on the ISD. The 60 turbolasers and ion cannons, beside the top side main battery could be through that cutaway between the two ships. In the movies, we do see many more guns in that area.
 * And because of the use of the model in this figure, the MC80 cruiser is more heavily armed than the standard ISD. That contradicts the canon.
 * You didn't provide any explanation for me to ignore. You say that it doesn't make sense for the ISD to have so few guns, but compared to what?  It has what it has.  The visuals are G-canon, and you can't dismiss them.  And again, what part of "Numerous light turbolasers and ion cannons" do you not understand? JimRaynor55 22:50, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * "Numerous light turbolasers and ion cannons" is a lot better than a stupid figure that is different from what is seen in the movies. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:53, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Which isn't an accurate figure. Hell, light turbolasers and the main battery really don't make a threat to the shields of a MC80. The EU says the MC80 has 48 turbolasers and 20 Ion Cannons, and it also says the weapons compliment that the movies do not show. And really, light turbolasers do not have enough firepower to perform a BDZ do they?
 * A more general figure is better than one that says something different from the movies. Leave it alone, anon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:57, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * How is it different from the movies? Did one of you go over every inch of the model or something, counting all the turbolasers and/or light turbolasers? And how do you even tell the difference?
 * Listen, anon, JimRaynor55 is a great contributor to this site. He provides canon material. I have no doubt that he has proof to support what he says. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:00, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * So you don't question it? And if he provides no proof, he has more say than someone who prefers to stay anonymous?
 * No, I don't, because JimRaynor55 can be trusted. Your vision of canon is apparently different from everyone else's. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:04, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * So if his analysis comes from fanon(that is the only way I can see the figure), and mine come from the canon EU, I get out voted because you don't see that JimRaynor55 can be caught in a lie? This sounds like a double standard.
 * JimRaynor wouldn't base anything off of fanon, anon. You're just upset that you're not getting your way. "Numerous light turbolasers and ion cannons" is perfectly fine. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:08, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You sure about that? Absolutely positively sure? Because, you know, he does go to a site that makes fanon calculations and analysis of Star Wars.
 * And that site would be what? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:10, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Star Destroyer.net. They made fanon up, and pass it off as canon. I've been butting heads with them for a hell of a long time.
 * From "Turbolaser Commentaries": "These pages present a study and quantitative assessment of Star Wars turbolasers." That's not fanon; it's called assessments based off of things from the movies. Real-world calculations are always applied to Star Wars. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:14, 12 May 2006 (UTC)