Talk:Galactic Federation of Free Alliances

"The Galactic Federation of Free Alliances" should probably redirect here. More properly, "The Galactic Federation of Free Alliances" should be the name of the article, with "Galactic Alliance" redirecting to the former. --SparqMan 07:35, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Did anyone notice that the acronym for Galactic Federation of Free Alliances (GFFA) is the same as for Galaxy Far, Far Away?--Erl
 * I think you might be the first. --SparqMan 17:45, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Legislative/Executive
That is innacurate. The Galactic Alliance is a federal government, not a parliamentary one. The Chief of State is the Executive, the Galactic Alliance Senate is legislative. -- SFH 02:40, 27 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Source for the following:
"In the years following the end of the Yuuzhan Vong War, the Alliance became increasingly controlling of local governments, with many of them beginning to view it as a resurrected Galactic Empire. By 40 ABY, relationships between the Alliance and local governments had deteriorated to the point that the Alliance deciced to launch a pre-emptive attack on Corellia as a show of military might to force compliance." Source, please? Cmdr. J. Nebulax 00:48, 16 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Considering The Swarm War takes place in 36 ABY, and it's the latest story I'm aware of, it sounds fishy to me. &mdash; Silly Dan  00:57, 16 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe that it is from Betrayal. It's legitimate, but not yet published. -- SFH 01:31, 16 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * A Closer Look at Betrayal from the OS is the source. Kuralyov 01:35, 16 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:15, 16 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Image
Is the Legacy image the actual seal of the Galactic Alliance? -- SFH 22:36, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * No, which is why I removed it. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:25, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Alliance member worlds?
While I do not dispute all of those worlds, I feel that some are speculation. Furthermore, major NR worlds like Kuat, Chandrilia, and other key Core Worlds are not mentioned. On top of that, the post-NJO era so far has given the impression that much of the known galaxy (minus Chiss Space) is part of the Alliance. Does anyoen else think that the list should either be expanded or completely eliminated?
 * I say remove it. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:49, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I removed it. User:AdmiralNick22
 * Thank you. Admiral J. Nebulax 19:20, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Expanding the Wiki article
I think it is important that we really vamp up and increase this section, especially considering that the Alliance is now the new main galactic government. I have been adding to the governmental and military aspects, using sources like the NEC and the NJO, namely Destiny's Way and FH: Remnant, which gives us our first good look at the Alliance. The Dark Nest trilogy is also a source I have used as well. I think it would be cool if we included a list of known senators, military officers, politicians, etc. --Adm. Nick


 * Completed another major edit, this time to the History section. I also expanded the article to include a section of the Alliance's relationship to the New Jedi Order. I also tweaked the info on the upcoming Legacy of the Force series, making it match more accuratly to the blurb from the book. AdmiralNick22 17:17, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * As for the Senators, that should be recorded in the List of Senators article. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:01, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the article is coming along nicely, especially considering that there is not much information out there. Hopefully we will be able to add a large portion to this article when the new Legacy of the Force series begins. But, it sure as hell is looking alot better than it did. :-) AdmiralNick22 21:35, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * From what I see, it still needs a lot of work right now. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:40, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, be more specific. If you refer to format or grammer, I agree. But, in terms of content, there is not a whole lot left to add. Remember, there are woefully few good references to the actual structure of the Alliance. The Dark Nest trilogy helped remedy this to a certain degree, but overall we the fans are still left wondering about great deals of the structure. AdmiralNick22 22:10, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep, format and grammer need a lot of work. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:15, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I appreciate any help that you can provide in that regards. I have a wealth of information on this subject, but I am still not very skilled at formating articles into proper Wiki style. AdmiralNick22 00:24, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Symbol?
Is there any symbol for the Galactic Alliance?Ruffles 07:17, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Not yet. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 12:48, 26 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Isn't it the Legacy era symbol?--Erl 16:20, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think so. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 16:50, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Could this be the symbol/amblem (look at human soldiers' uniforms)?[[Image:DefenseAgainstTheVong.JPG|200px|right|thumb|]]
 * I don't know. It could be any number of possibilities. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Astrography?
Uh, that is not needed. Furthermore, there is no mention of the Alliance ocnsisting of 11,000 worlds. While the no specific number has been mentioned, it would be FAR larger, considering comments by VIP's like Troy Denning who have pointed out that most of the known galaxy joined the Alliance.

I am deleting it, unless someone can think of why we should include it. AdmiralNick22 14:53, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree; there's no need for it. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:13, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I added it back, though in a new form. I was looking at the other galactic government articles, and they all seem to have a Astrography section. While it does seem a bit redundant, I included it to make it in step with other articles. AdmiralNick22 16:03, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks better now. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:00, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I edited it by removing the Tion Hegemony from the list. The Tion worlds were members of the New Republic and Galactic Alliance. There senator is mentioned several times in the NJO, including after the formation of the GFFA. AdmiralNick22 19:40, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:04, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Contradictions
"The new federal system proved sturdier than the confederal style of the New Republic. Named the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances,"

I will neither study this whole matter in detail, nor try to understand the basic concepts. I am a fan of Star Wars, but I will cease to follow the lines here. I don't understand what's going on and I have the impression the authors are going nuts here. Sorry for this short rant, but I wonder that nobody has recognised this. I will not question the actual state of development and terminology of the Star Wars universe. Many other people are responsible for that, and I cannot change or correct the course. I just want to give something to think about:

The New Republic is called 'New Repblic'. Yes, obviously. Without knowing anything about the political structures, I always thought that the name expresses what it is. So I thought it is a republic. A form of a state. Federally organised, but a state. That means that it is explicitely not confederal. Would it be confederal, it would just be an alliance, not state, so it could not be a republic. So it's either a confederacy (an alliance) like the NATO, or a federacy, like the USA. But a confederate republic is impossible.

Same problem but in exactly the contrary direction occurs with the following change into the 'Galactic Federation of Free Alliances'. An alliance is an alliance. Point. An alliance of indiviuals. Of nations. Of States in this case. Such an alliance is obviously not a state. And so it can not have federal structures. It's a confederacy. And it's explicitely expressed, that it's free. Independent. Not dependent, subjected to a superior organisation. And the term is a plural, so we have several alliances. This organisation is an alliance of alliances. How can this alliance of free alliances have a federal structure? I am trying an analogy with our world: The NATO and some alliance of arabian states and the south east asian ASEAN states form an alliance. Would this alliance of free alliances be a state with tighter, sturdier structures, while at the same time the USA would be a bunch of independent nations?
 * Just one of the many things about the NJO that made me wonder if even the authors knew what they were doing (short answer: they didn't). Kuralyov 21:15, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Imagine the GFFA as more of an European Union sort of structure than the New Republic, which is, say a, federal US structure. QuentinGeorge 21:22, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * "Just one of the many things about the NJO that made me wonder if even the authors knew what they were doing...". Not just NJO series authors. It seems most authors make mistakes a lot. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:33, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * "Imagine the GFFA as more of an European Union sort of structure" That is not possible. The title is 'Galactic FEDERATION ...", which means it is a unified state. But the European Union is a confederation, an alliance of free nations. Ok, not so free anymore, and because the administration of the EU is undemocratic, much opposition arises among the populace. Also, as is said the members of this Galactic alliances are not administrative divisions like Texas, but free alliances, like the NATO. And the NATO contains states of humans of rather similar culture. The GFFA contains several alliances, like the NATO. These alliance are explicitely stated as being "free". We can interprete that these alliances are not that much subordinate, as the NATO members are subordinate to the NATO. And additionally the GFFA comprises complete different worlds, with different environments, completely different species, even insectoids, with completely different social systems, communication forms, etc. How can these structure be a federation? I have accepted the New Republic to be a federation. But it is now stated, that it is confederal, which is contradictional the other way around. The GFFA, judging from the 'FA' part is obviously much much much more loose organisation than the New Republic, and an eternity away from a state-like organisation, and in no way a 'GF'. And would it be a GF, it wouldn't contain FAs. Actually the New Republic was a GF, not the GFFA. The GFFA is at best a weak GCFA. Or maybe it is in fact organised as a state and really deserves the name 'Galactic Federation', but then the 'Free Alliances' part is pure nonsense, a lie. And likewise the 'New Republic' cannot be confederal. And would it be confederal it would not be a republic, and the name of this organisation is also a lie.
 * Lies or not, the names are canonically Galactic Federation of Free Alliances and New Republic. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:58, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * A point for everyone to keep in mind is that the authors and creators of the NJO decided to name the government the Galactic Federation of Free Alliances because it was a nod to fans using "GFFA" when refering to the whole galaxy. It may sound stupid, but they decided to do it. It is interesting to note however that Destiny's Way points out that Omas was considering renaming the NR into the "Federal Galactic Republic". Hell, at least that name makes sense. The US and Germany are federal republics in the real world. AdmiralNick22 13:43, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * For a second, I almost forgot about how it was named for the Galaxy Far, Far Away... And yes, "Federal Galactic Republic" does make sense. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:45, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. We the fans (myself included) need to remember that sometimes authors do things like that just for fun, while we tend to look for deeper meaning or significance. Sure it doesn't make perfect sense that a federal style republic calls itself the Galactic Federation of Free Alliance, but the name is far less important than the way it governs. AdmiralNick22 14:57, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well said. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 15:00, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

Galactic Government
So, is the Galactic Alliance a dead and done deal when Legacy 0 starts, or is it just starting to roll over. -- SFH 19:56, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It sounds like it's back to a pre-Alliance to Restore the Republic rebellion. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:10, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the Legacy #0 mentions a CF9 Crossfire Fighter that is used by the "Galactic Alliance Core Force". Maybe the Alliance is not dead, but reduced to a rebel style movement? We need more info before we say the Alliance is dead and gone. AdmiralNick22 21:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That's why I said what I said. It sounds to me like it's a little bit unorganized. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:37, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Legacy Era Update
I decided to go in and update and expand the history and Jedi relationship sections with information on the Legacy comic series. I plan on continuing this as more info is released. Furthermore, I am waiting for additional information on the remnants of the Galactic Alliance, namely the Core Forces. I have a gut feeling that we have not seen the last of the Alliance, even if the new Empire is in charge at the outset of the new Legacy comic series. AdmiralNick22 22:12, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The GA will always be there, no doubt. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:08, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

Images
This page could do with a picture or two. If anyone can add one it would be much appreciated. 203.55.231.100 12:11, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Usually, I'm against images in government articles, other than the government's symbol. But I suppose an image or two can be added, just as long as they're good images. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:13, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * We have no real images to use. Hell, we don't even know what their symbol is. AdmiralNick22 19:04, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:05, 9 September 2006 (UTC)