Talk:Grievous/Legends

Why?
Why did Palpatine not give Vader a body like Greivous? I mean Grevious seems to be a much better fighter and he is not even force sensitve. Sure Vader would have to be cut up more but it would be for the better good 9or evil ;)
 * Please don't fill the talk page with useless topics--Herbsewell 10:47, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

Why??
Why was the FA status removed? Citations were provided for most of it, the POV was trimmed, and I don't see what was wrong with the images. Unit 8311 12:37, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Name
If we renamed "Darth Vader" "Anakin Skywalker," and the title for the Emperor's article is "Palpatine," why isn't this "Qymaen Jai Sheelal" instead of "Grievous?" Palpatine would only call himself Sidious in front of other force-sensitive for the most part, Grevious took to calling himself Grevious everywhere, so it can saftly be said he changed his name. Destroyer Droid 23:45, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Grievous was his latest and final name. Vader ceased being Vader when he threw Palpy into the reactor and "Emperor" is a title. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 21:17, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * But Palpatine was not his last name. He was never redeemed. He was Darth Sidious.
 * True, but most people in the Galaxy didn't know he was a Sith. Palpatine was what he was known as. Green Tentacle (Talk) 22:30, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Last words?
Which should be considered Grievous's last words: the last ones he spoke in the film--i.e. army or not, you must realise you are doomed! or something like that--or the last ones in the novel version, i.e. just what?? Unit 8311 09:47, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * If you're asking about this only to put it in the article, let me stop you ahead of time. Having one's last words in an article is pointless, unless it's a good quote like Thrawn's last words. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 11:12, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * All depends on the quote. If it were the "Army or not, you are doomed" quote, that's funny and ironic, because, well, Kenobi wasn't doomed; Grievous was. That's worth putting in. If it were just "What?" or just those groans that he made before he blew up, that's less interesting. Erik Pflueger [[Image:Republic_Emblem.svg|20px]] 15:04, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL, yeah, his last words were "URK! UAGH!!!!!!"*BANG*--1upD 20:55, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Grievous' Kaleesh face revealed!
Weird looking.

71.164.42.127 14:17, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Where'd you get this from? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 14:58, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * From a pic that entertainmentearth.com sent out in a newsletter. (This is Rune Haako by the way, it won't let me login, and post anything.) 71.164.42.127 15:09, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 15:11, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The eyes...Thats' really creepy...Are you sure this is real?--1upD 16:41, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I have my doubts, but it appears to be official. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:25, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's real, here's the whole pic. 71.164.42.127 21:57, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I also saw that on another site. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 11:31, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It could be a fan-made model. They do that all the time. Plus, Malak looks pretty unproffesional. Still...--1upD 20:35, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Could be prototypes. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 00:45, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Are you 'positive that's supposed to be Grievous? Because it looks different than other pictures of Kaleesh Grievous. Unit 8311 12:35, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Like...? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It looks just like the other pictures, just without the mask. You can see him holding it.--1upD 23:51, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I know; that's why I wanted to know which pictures he was referring to. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 11:29, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Bigger pic of the figure from CIV. Rune Haako 00:33, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That link doesn't work.--1upD 14:45, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Worked fine for me yesterday. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 14:46, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Look at the picture of Grievous in the bacta tank at the start of the 'becoming a cyborg' section. You can see that he has a humanoid head, unlike that...thing. Oh, and that link doesn't work for me either. Unit 8311 16:55, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, Lucasfilm obviously gave the OK for this figure... &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Unless I'm looking at this wrong, the only known difference is the eyes. They look similar, but these eyes are huge and somehow come off the head...strange...--1upD 14:19, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Does anyone know whether this figure is still in development or has been finalised and whether or not it's confirmed that it will come out or not? Unit 8311 15:49, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's been finalized and will be coming out. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 17:13, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Au Batido
I read in the article that some of Grievous's fighting was based on capoeira. So I looked it up on Wikipedia. Look at ! Doesn't that look familiar?(Clone Wars Volume 1) Should it be mentioned?--1upD 16:51, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that does look like Grievous fighting. Unit 8311 12:39, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Grievous/Honoghr
I was reading Yoda: Dark Rendezvous, on page 279, one of Dooku's monitors shows "...a panning shot of the devastation on Honoghr, six months after the toxic catastrophe there--part of General Grievous's proposal to step up use of bioweapons in the Outer Rim campaigns..."


 * I haven't seen anything on Wookieepedia about this in the Grievous, or Battle of Honoghr pages. GMo &gt;:M:&lt; 05:33, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Armor
Observe: http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/thumb/6/6d/Geonosian1.jpg/271px-Geonosian1.jpg Mainly the foot structure and leg joints.--75.48.6.240 05:15, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I have noticed a couple similarities between Grievous' armor and the geonosians.
 * The Geonosians were the ones who rebuilt Grievous, after all. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:01, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right...I guess I never really noticed the connection. Since Grievous redid his helmet/head, it's possible that originally he was even more Geo-like.--1upD 19:45, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

jedi kills
Why does it say that he killed Shaak Ti over couruscant. That scene was non-canon. GOD BLESS AMERICA! Kimu 17:56, 19 July 2007 (UTC)RC-0722 1:56 july 19, 2007
 * Removed. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 17:59, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Kimu 18:09, 19 July 2007 (UTC)RC-0722. 2:09 PM july 19, 2007

Blocking Blasterfire
I fon't think we should use Battlefront II as a source regarding his ability to block blaster shots, in Battlefront II the ability to deflect those shots were shared by all light-saber weilding characters, if the game developers shoved a lightsaber into Jango's hands, he'd be deflecting shots too. Furthermore, I don't think the battlefront games are a good source over what a characters abilites are. Destroyer Droid 23:38, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Regardless, he could deflect blaster bolts, and it should be mentioned. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 23:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, I just think it's a very faulty source. Destroyer Droid 01:01, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Point worth noting: The ability to control the force seems to defined by the level of midichlorians in the bloodstream. An infinities source (The Eyes of Revolution) has Dooku mentioning a blood transfusion from Sifo-Dyas to Grievous, noted in the main image on Sifo-Dyas' page. Would he then be able to control the force? I know this is all non-canon, but could it be possible? Another interesting question, would Anakin's drop in ability then be explained by losing so much blood on Mustafar, and then having less blood, more machine in him? Micah Giett 01:16, 22 July 2007 (UTC) Huh? I thought Grevious lost his connectivity to the force when he became a droid, or at least the few organic body parts he still had couldn't allow him to predict anything like blasters. Destroyer Droid 03:23, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You know, that's a very good theory, Micah. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:54, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * He would still most likely need at least a small amount of blood to keep his organs alive (which he still had). That blood, had it been transfused from Sifo-Dyas, would contain midi-chlorians. Micah Giett 15:51, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a bit similar to the case of the Iron Knights. They were simply crystals in droid bodies, yet they possessed the power to use the Force. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 17:53, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

erm... I knew he had blood in the organs, I was just saying that I found it unlikly that that's what made him force-sensitive, or being able to block blasters at the least. Destroyer Droid 04:25, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Previously you asked if he lost his force sensitivity when he became a droid. What source do you have that he was force-sensitive before? Micah Giett 19:26, 28 July 2007 (UTC)C

Force-Sensitive as in having a connection to the force, and yes, I realize that's not the traditional use of the term, but it's how I use it. Destroyer Droid 20:52, 28 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's best for you to use it how everyone else does, to avoid further confusion. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:04, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

Eh... I might as well. Destroyer Droid 01:26, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Anakin did lose some of his skill do to his loss of limbs on Mustafar (stated as much in Dark Lord).  Chack Jadson  Talk 17:59, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

He lost skill due to the fact he couldn't channel the force as easily through mechanical limbs. What? Did you think there were droid jedi running around? Destroyer Droid 20:48, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure he was referring to the "Force-sensitivity is in the blood" theory. And besides, there are droid Jedi&mdash;the Iron Knights. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:48, 29 July 2007 (UTC)

I was Jack, thanks. Also I believe it was NEGtC that stated Vader could not command force lightning due to the fact that it required flesh and blood arms. But he did suffer a loss in over all force power and I think this is because there was less blood in less flesh containing less midi-chlorians.Micah Giett 23:04, 29 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I was referring to Chack there, though. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 00:00, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * My bad, but my point stands. Micah Giett 21:08, 31 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Just note: being able to use the Force is not a resultant from the number of midichlorians one has. It's instead a result of training.  Midichlorians are just a prerequisite.  And, also, it is stated that Dooku's experiment (the tranfusion of Sifo-Diyas's blood, or at least I think that's who it belonged to) was a failure, again noting that having midichlorians does not guarantee Force sensitivity.  And Vader physically could not use Force Lightning, if not because of a lack of skill, moreover because we saw what Palpatine's Force Lightning did to the mechanics in his suit.  He would have been self-destructing if he tried.  Jhbartlett 02:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Jedi Kills List
I removed the Jeid Kills section per the Inq page. If anyone objects, or has a suggestion about how to incorporate it into the article, please post it here.  Chack Jadson  Talk 19:45, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I suppose a "Category:Jedi killed by Grievous" wouldn't be a good idea... ;) &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 23:15, 5 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't see this as a good idea. People using this wiki might want to know what Jedi Grievous killed, so I say put the list back in. A category would just be a waste of space...Unit 8311 07:53, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Just to let you know, that thing about a category was a joke. Also, I don't like the idea of a list, either. Keeping it might give someone the idea of putting a similar list on the Anakin Skywalker article. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:43, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, to be as encylopeadic as possible, I think we should have a list of Grievous's victims in some shape or form. Compressing it to a paragraph would just be a mess, so I think a list is our best bet, or maybe a table, like the Grievous article on Wikipedia. Of course, if somebody has a better alternative, I'd be happy to hear it. Unit 8311 12:50, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Encyclopedias don't have lists of the victims of people. A list is a bad idea. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:16, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I included a few of the Jedi he killed in Talents and Abiliites. I guess you could add about four or five more there. And a category certainly wouldn't work.  Chack Jadson  Talk 21:27, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Can't you two take a joke? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:31, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * My comment was made in jest by the way. Sorry for the misunderstanding.  Chack Jadson  Talk 21:38, 6 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't recall a "Jedi killed by Darth Vader" or a "Jedi killed by their clone troopers", so I see no reason to have a "jedi killed by Grevious". At best we could have "Grevious takes great pleasure in killing Jedi and enjoys taking their lightsabers as trophies". Destroyer Droid 01:41, 10 August 2007 (UTC) Sorry, I have found it: Jmmaar, a Viraanntesse. Wow! Anyway, a separate list of Grievous's lightsaber collection would still be good...Domlith 14:29, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
 * For my part, I miss the section. It was good to see them "collected", not to mention that it would illustrate Grievous's collector attitude - remember, he collected the lightsabers, not the Jedi. A separate list would be equally good. And there are other details, e.g. which 4 lightsabers did he wield against Obi-Wan? It was here in the article a few months ago, and then disappeared? Was there no source? (And anyway I can't find that insectoid Jedi whose green saber was among the four, he was named here at least). Domlith 14:13, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Sacrifire
Is Grievous really mentioned in sacrifire?
 * I'm pretty sure he is, but I don't remember where though. --User:Wiilover Nintendo Wii 23:25, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

I wnna see if any1 agrees
I know this is kind of irrelevant but am i the only 1 gettin tired of all the EU crap I mean come on people its just

War after war

1 more bad guy sith after another

The jedi getting slaughtered day after day

More and more jedi surviving (reaaly people if ALL thoose jedi survived order 66 the Empire didnt do a very good job

Insecure obnoxious kids going crazy killing people and becoming sith... ex Anakin (duh) Jacen the list keeps going

What happened to creativity? If you agree or disagree please put a message
 * This has absolutely nothing to do with the General Grievous article. Are you going to post this on every talk page? --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 00:30, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Grievous and retreating from battle.
"Some said that Grievous was also a coward, as he frequently ran when he was losing a battle."

Is that really the case?

General Grievous was a high ranking official in the CIS, and one of their most brilliant and important people. Like Count Dooku, the Confederacy couldn't afford to lose him. On Dooku's page and a few others like Windu (i believe), it makes reference to the fact that had Dooku been captured or killed on Geonosis, then the war very much could have ended and the CIS with it before either took off.

Once the war was in full swing, Dooku became somewhat less important because he was no longer the sole life line of the CIS so to speak, but he was still a major player for them. And once he was killed, while the war would continue, thou with Grievous now being the main man, Dooku's loss was still a huge blow to the CIS war effort.

Look at Grievous's death, the CIS fell shortly after his death. Although Grievous was not the direct cause of the CIS's death, he was the last great leader the CIS had to offer. Without him, the CIS had nobody to lead the armies anymore, but the Separatist Council. So with or without the actions of Vader, the CIS would probably fallen sooner or later without Grievous anyway because they didn't have any great people left.

In fact I think his death was the biggest cause of the CIS's demise aside from Vader. The Republic knew the war would much likely end with the death of Grievous.

Look at WW2 for another example. During the war in Africa, the British tried to capture or kill Erwin Rommel. Without Rommel, the Axis would have fallen in Africa much sooner then they did, because Rommel was their top guy. Grievous's role in the CIS was much the same. He like Dooku and others couldn't afford to fall.

He was right to retreat from battle when losing, should he have continued to fight, he ran the risk of dying and therefor compromise the entire CIS war effort. But does all of that make him a coward?

I believe that i make a valid point. What does everyone else think?

I believe this argument should be taken into consideration for being added to Grievous's page for neutrality and depth.

68.34.156.49 04:53, 21 January 2008 (UTC)Ryan


 * I agree with this guy. Grevious was clearly not a coward.  He knew when the time was to beat a retreat, but that's a quality of any good military leader.  You may as well call Luke a coward for running away from Vader.  Also, surely we can come up with a better leading quote? He must have said something a bit more interesting than that at some point. Coming Second 23:52, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Some people IU called him a coward though. Mace, and Palpatine, I believe.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 20:40, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

It's true that Mace Windu called him a coward when talking to Palpatine. However, Palpatine merely said he escaped.

But, I would say that the point should be made that: 1) Windu was understandably frustrated that they had not yet succeeded in capturing such a tactically-minded enemy, and 2) Windu's personal style was to fight to the death, rather than retreat or be captured, as in Episode II, to Dooku: "We will not be prisoners to be bartered!"

So I would say that he only called Grievous a coward out of a conflicting style, and that doesn't really make him one. Jhbartlett 02:34, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Face
Grievous' real face is creeping me out SW ep. MMMDCCLXII 03:44, 23 February 2008 (UTC)# SW ep. MMMDCCLXII

a coward, i don't think so.
there is a stereotype that say grievous is a coward well for those who watched clone wars i don't think so. in the sine where dooku is training grievous and he says " if any one element is of lacking it would be better for you to retreat" --unsigned comment by User:Andrew66 on 07:50, 25 February 200