Talk:Ferus Olin

Issues of Orientation
There are strong indications throughout the "Last of the Jedi" series that Ferus and Roan have the first non-heterosexual relationship portrayed in the Star Wars universe. I know I'm not the first one to bring it up. Should this issue be touched upon in any way in the article?Chrisstansfield 12:01, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

It's made pretty clear in the most recent book, Secret Weapon that Ferus and Roan are more than 'just friends' or business partners. I'm glad to see LFL allowed Watson to go so far with the portrayal. And yeah, that would make them the first gay couple in Star Wars. I imagine, though, that it can't be explicitly stated because it's listed as a "young readers" book. At any rate, it should be listed under speculation. thesithempire 17 March 2007


 * I must disagree. I have read the whole series and do not see that in anyway. Best friends, definantly, but no, no relationship. Anyway, Roan's dead now anyway (sorry if that's a spoiler to any of you, but I was the one to type it in to Roan's entry. It's here if you want to read it.)


 * I disagree as well. There is never anything in the Last of the Jedi series to indicate that Ferus and Roan's relationship is anything other than that of best friends. I think that the speculation otherwise is simply a rumor, and nothing more.

I think Ms. Watson implied they had more than a platonic relationships in the book. I could cite several passages that hinted at it and was surprised when I came across them. I suppose its a matter of opinion, but I really think she "said it without saying it."

Definitely agree with Rogo88 and thesithempire on this one. I absolutely saw a more-than-friends relationship when I read the series.
 * I think we might need a CheckUser here... Several anons with only one contribution to this talk page? Cull Tremayne 07:02, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

I get a definite vibe of 'more-than-friends' between the two. Especially in Ferus' moment in 'Death On Naboo' where he focuses on 'the best day of his life' and thinks about being with Roan in a secluded body of water. Yes, it cuts off with 'they came up shivering and laughing...' but the elipsis implies more. Of course, this might just be my HoYay-addled brain...DGCatAniSiri 06:58, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Personally, I definately got a more-than-just-friends relationship vibe, but it's just speculation, and therefore fanon IMHO and shouldn't be mentioned in the article. It's a suspicion that isn't likely to be confirmed because I doubt Watson would address the sexual ascpect of a relationship in a children's book, so we're all free to think what we will. Yay us. 68.59.161.22 17:35, 13 May 2007 (UTC)


 * What, like that's ever stopped the fandom before? Actually, it's not as if CANON has stopped the fandom before.DGCatAniSiri 02:28, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Nothing can stop the fandom. 74.173.214.216 06:15, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Shortening

 * I was looking at the recent addition I made to the article (Return to Coruscant) and realized that it is really long compared to the rest of the article. I'm having a hard time finding a good way of reducing it.  Could anyone else try to summarize it and make it somewhat shorter? DarthMaul431 21:05, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It's probably wrong because I wrote it and I'm horrible at writing short summaries. But keep in mind - that section covers Books 3 and 4. Novajoe23 14:07, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

I hate this guy
''Over the next few years the two apprentices encountered each other again numerous times, such as at the Galactic Games on Euceron. Back at the Jedi Temple, Ferus and Anakin were assigned to a special lightsaber session with Master Soara Antana in the back alleys of Coruscant. Ferus easily outmatched Anakin, who let his anger get the best of him. This only fueled the tensions between the two Jedi.''

Gah, Ferus makes me angry. Five years of training and Anakin "Midichlorian" Skywalker isn't beating down any other padawans he comes across? Ridiculous. "Anger getting the best of him"... pfft... the anger should have made him stronger.

Vader best kill this guy for stealing Anakin's thunder. (Ulicus 23:04, 14 June 2006 (UTC))


 * I predict he'll refuse to become one of Palpatine's cronies and will be killed. It would be cool, as well as ironic, if he faced off with Vader.--Darth Oblivion 23:33, 19 June 2006 (UTC)


 * lol yeah... -- [Galak Fyarr]


 * Why would anger make Anakin stronger? As a Jedi wouldn't it weaken him? If he were a Sith, he would be able to focus it, but Anakin isn't a Sith yet. ~aitrym
 * but his anger still made him stronger, the Jedi were taught to release anger because it gave added strength, from the dark side, which some jedi may find irresistable. Jedi Dude 15:47, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Right, but it says, "Anakin let Anger get the better of him." And wouldn't you have to be a Vapaad user to focus like Master Windu? ~aitrym August 7 2006
 * Whilst I don't hate Ferus as much as I used to (recent portrayals haven't been too bad), it's ridiculous to suggest that anger makes a Jedi weaker. Anger gives one "quick and easy" access to the Force, that's the whole point! Anger makes a Force user stronger and *gives* them focus. That is part of the reason why the dark side is so tempting; it's much easier to give in to your darker emotions than it is to "quiet your mind" in the midst of a battle. (Ulicus 17:44, 15 September 2006 (UTC))

Right, but Ferus *WAS* able to quiet his mind, and he chose what was stronger. That's why he won. ~aitrym
 * You said that anger would make a Jedi weak; it doesn't, and in my latest post, that's all that I was arguing against. Anger empowers a even the most novice of Force users and that has always been the case. You brought up Vaapad, which is about being able to channel your darker impulses whilst remaining relatively untouched by the dark side - but that's is an entirely different concept and nothing to do with what Anakin was doing here... Ultimately, as you said, Ferus' focus and ability to quiet his mind outmatched even the added strength Anakin got from his rage. It just annoys me that this was the case. (Ulicus 01:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC))


 * I agree in that, for the most part, Anakin should have been stronger when giving into his anger. All reasons as Ulicus said. I think that you can become overconfident and make mistakes while using your anger because your so much stronger.

Quotes
This is a FA and has't got any quotes? NONE! Jedi Dude 15:38, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Quotes do not neccessarily a good article make. This article is pretty darn good even without them.(Ulicus 01:17, 19 September 2006 (UTC))


 * No they don't make a good article, but an FA should have at least an introduction quote, look at all the others for example. And such a large set of books should have numerous suitable quotes, i havn't got them so i wouldn't know. Jedi Dude 17:33, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't worry. I added one. 1 Space Pirate 12:42, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

In trouble
The complete second half of this article needs a complete re-write. . .  .  .  07:09, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * The second half of the article just rehashes the novels but this is a biographic article. Mentioning other characters on their own shouldn't really come into it. --Katana Geldar 04:59, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Secret Weapon
We have no infomation at all for Secret Weapon (Book VII). It IS out, contrary to the said release date.

As a matter of fact, much of this article needs work. Seeing I own all of LotJ and most of Jedi Trial (the second is called that, right? I blanked out), I should be able to work on it.

I own Secret Weapon, and I think I can do some work on it. I can also rewrite the part that isn't satisfactorily written. I have access to all the Last of the Jedi books, and I think I can fix it. When did Secret Weapon come out? Would the info on that require a spoiler tag, or has it been out long enough to remove that classification? Anyone who knows can get back to me at my talk page (Tiger Headquarters). Thanks! Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) (Leader of the Tigers) 20:21, 1 April 2007 (UTC)

Ferus as Vader's apprentice'''
There are some pretty strong connections between Ferus and Vader's Apprentice. I mean, they were both Jedi Padawans - not Knights - they both look the same, Ferus joins the Dark Side in Secret Weapon, three books later The Force Unleashed starts. I mean, it doesn't take much for Vader to fake Ferus' death, tell Ferus who he really is, and start him as his secret Apprentice. aeods

Interesting idea, but I wouldn't jump to conclusions until we figure out the ending of Ferus's story from the final Last of the Jedi books. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 01:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Red Lightsaber?

 * Where does it say that Ferus constructs a red lightsaber? I couldn't find it in any of the Jedi Quest books, and I don't know when this happens. Give me a source, someone! Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 23:43, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hello? Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 04:15, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Scratch this, I found it in The Way of the Apprentice. At any rate, I don't think it warrants inclusion, and I couldn't find a source that said people were surprised, so I'm going to remove it. Maybe it can go in the Behind the Scenes. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 04:37, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

43 BBY?

 * If anyone can find a source for this- great, if not, I'm just going to delete it. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 03:53, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone sourced it.

First BTS item

 * Same as birth year&mdash; without a source, I'm going to have to delete it. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 21:23, 18 September 2007 (UTC)