Wookieepedia:WookieeProject Knights of the Old Republic

The premise of WookieeProject Knights of the Old Republic is coordinating the efforts of Wookieepedians maintaining articles related to the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (KotOR) metaseries, which includes two video games, miniatures and role-playing scenarios, and a 50-issue comic series.

If you would like to contribute to the project, feel free to take a look at what we've done, or ask questions in the forum. If you decide that this is the place for you, and that you'd like to help us out, then please sign your name using three tildes at the bottom of the page under the "Participants" section.

Current WookieeProject Focus
"Maintenance and Promotion" &mdash; currently the project is involved in maintaining current articles and promoting articles to Feature and Good article status. However, this does not mean that we aren't writing new articles as the KotOR series develops, or improving existing articles. All project participants are encouraged to edit any and all articles that catch their eye.

Notice
Because a large percentage of our information comes from the video games, Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic and Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords, there are certain factors that writers and editors must be aware of. The following guidelines will explain these issues in greater detail. If anyone has any questions or comments, please feel free to start a new thread in our forum.

Writing and editing

 * 1) Make sure all articles follow the Manual of Style and Layout Guide. For more information, please see policies on Wookieepedia.
 * 2) Articles are written with a neutral point of view, without adding original research and speculation.
 * 3) Make sure all information follows canon. This has been determined as always being the light side choice in regards to the video games. Any dark side missions or player choices are to be placed in the Behind the scenes section of an article.
 * 4) Please be aware that quite often it will be necessary to add the GameLS, Gamemechanics, or GameLSmechanics templates to sections of an article. Although all LS player choices are canon, not all character interactions have been confirmed. The KOTOR strategy guide has confirmed the order in which Revan visits the planets in-game. Articles that are affected by the variation in the order should use the K1orderHeader or K1order template.
 * 5) Do not add "fate unknown" to articles.

Sourcing

 * 1) All information in articles must be sourced with either reference tags or self-sourcing paragraphs. For more information, please see Sourcing. Do not assume that any sourcing already present is correct. Double check all references yourself, or if unable to do so, add the article to the "Articles that need sourcing" section.
 * 2) Information must be cited by individual comic issue and novel. Please do not cite simply using the story arc and/or TPB.
 * 3) When citing specific dialog or cut content, it is recommended to use the StrRefs from the game dialog files. Please see the Dialog.tlk files section for more details.
 * 4) Please take care in citing specific dates in the Old Republic era. The games are not sources for dates. Please see this forum topic for more details.

Tasks
The primary goal of this WookieeProject is to bring articles related to Knights of the Old Republic to Feature article and Good article status. While it is understood that this will not be possible for every article, we wish for those other articles to be complete and reliable sources of information.

Below, you will find links to the Master lists of articles that fall under the KotOR era. The master lists will be updated regularly, as new information is released. If you happen to find an article that is not listed, but you feel that it should be added to our project, please add it to the list or start a new thread in the forum. Once an article from one of these lists has been brought up to standard, please strike it so that other members will be aware of what is already finished.

Master lists

 * Characters
 * Creatures
 * Droid models
 * Events
 * Locations
 * Organizations and titles
 * Species
 * Vehicles and vessels
 * Weapons and technology
 * Miscellanea
 * Out of Universe

Articles that need updating
Please don't hesitate to update these articles with the correct information and sources. Some articles under review, listed above, are also likely to need updating.
 * Jedi Civil War
 * New Generation Academy
 * 3,956 BBY
 * Infinite Empire
 * Rohlan Dyre
 * Demagol
 * Jedi Covenant
 * Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (comics)
 * Mandalorian Wars

Articles we need to get re-GA'ed

 * Battle of Rakata Prime &mdash; details

Articles we need to get re-FA'ed

 * Atris &mdash; details
 * Bastila Shan &mdash; details
 * Darth Nihilus &mdash; details
 * Ebon Hawk &mdash; details
 * Jarael &mdash; details
 * Jedi Civil War &mdash; details
 * Korriban &mdash; details
 * Kreia &mdash; details
 * Mandalore the Ultimate &mdash; details
 * Mandalorian Wars &mdash; details
 * Revan &mdash; details
 * Selkath &mdash; details
 * Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (comics) &mdash; details
 * Taris &mdash; details
 * Zayne Carrick &mdash; details
 * Undercity sewers &mdash; details

Current individual projects
Please list the name of the project that you plan on working on.
 * Vandar Tokare
 * G0-T0
 * Jedi Civil War
 * Malachor V
 * Karness Muur
 * Gauntlet of Kressh the Younger
 * Revan
 * Yuthura Ban
 * Sith fighter
 * Canderous Ordo
 * Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, two years and counting.
 * Darth Nihilus
 * Revanchist
 * Slyssk
 * Chantique
 * Trayus Academy
 * Nar Shaddaa bounty hunters and other individuals etc
 * Conclave on Katarr
 * The Crucible
 * Undercity sewers back to FA
 * Demagol
 * Rohlan Dyre
 * Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic 9: Flashpoint Interlude: Homecoming
 * Improving events of First Jedi Purge
 * Revan's helmet
 * Refugee (Nar Shaddaa) and the individuals therein.
 * Rukil

Pre-WP:KotOR Featured and Good articles
Below you will find articles related to KotOR that were brought to Featured and Good status before the project was founded. The Comprehensive article process was implemented after the project was founded so does not apply.

Good articles

 * Dias Athacorr

Featured articles

 * Bastila Shan
 * Ebon Hawk
 * Jedi Civil War

IRC
For advanced users a special IRC channel has been set up for this project  irc.freenode.net
 * WP:KOTOR

irc://irc.freenode.net/WP:KOTOR For others:


 * Wikia has a CGI:IRC gateway for the #wp:kotor channel on the Wookieepedia gateway that lets you join the chat room from a normal web page. Just put in your username and choose "#wp:kotor"  from the drop-down list.


 * Mibbit is also an option, select Freenode as server, enter your nickname in the left box and #wp:kotor in the right box.


 * Alternatively, enter your nick and select #WP:KOTOR from the drop-down in the form below to log in to the channel:

Meetings
Our team hold IRC meetings from time to time to help in coordinating our efforts and for a quick way to find consensus for decisions to be made. For help joining for the meeting, see the IRC section above.

The next meeting has not yet been scheduled.

WP:KOTOR meetings thus far:
 * Meeting 01: 2009-01-31
 * Meeting 02
 * Meeting 03: 2010-07-30
 * Meeting 04: 2010-08-22
 * Meeting 05: 2010-12-18

Requests

 * List of resources
 * Requests

Continuity issues
There have been some questions regarding the canonicity of the Chronicles of the Old Republic. In the Holocron continuity database questions Leland Chee states that Chronicles is considered C-canon, and that it had been written specifically as a lead in to Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords, which was released in Winter 2004/2005. What this means for us is that the information found in Chronicles is superior only to the KotOR I video game and the KotOR Strategy Guide. However, keep in mind that all of the other media that has been released since then, is superior to Chronicles. Any continuity errors that are found in Chronicles, or anywhere else for that matter, are to be relegated to Bts. The most recent C-canon source or appearance is always the correct choice.

Order of events in The Sith Lords
Since we don't have a definitive source that states the order that planets are visited, and events take place in The Sith Lords, it seems that we should follow the order listed in the Prima Official Game Guide: Peragus II · Nar Shaddaa · First Battle of Onderon · Khoonda · Korriban · Second Battle of Onderon · Telos IV · Malachor V

There's K2order template that can be used to indicate the segment(s) of article that are depending on this order, which can be detailed with the alternatives in the Bts.

Jedi Exile's Companions
The following characters have been confirmed as companions of the Exile: Brianna, G0-T0, HK-47, Kreia, Visas Marr, Mira, Mical, Canderous Ordo, Atton Rand, and T3-M4.

Ancestry and other familial speculation
It is likely that character articles about those whose last names are seen in other Star Wars storylines (e.g., Bastila Shan and Deena Shan) are going to be plagued by speculation saying that "so and so is possibly an ancestor of such and such." These are to be deleted on sight unless sources are provided that explicitly state otherwise. Do what must be done, Show no mercy.

Dialog.tlk files
In game engines derived from BioWare's Infinity and Aurora engines (including KOTOR and TSL's Odyssey engine), all strings used in the game are stored in a file named dialog.tlk in the root game directory, uncompressed and unencrypted. These files can be used to search for exact quotes and/or correct them.

There is no way to identify the source of a particular quote based on dialog.tlk alone. You will still need the game for that.

If you don't have the games, or have non-English versions, dialog.tlk files from both games can be downloaded from here.

Opening
Dialog.tlk files are technically binary files, but as they contain unmodified text, they can be opened in any text editor. Windows Notepad has issues with opening large files, so you can use another editor, such as Notepad++, instead. The file begins with binary data, and then the text follows. You can search for the text you need. However, this method may not be very user friendly.

Alternatively, you can use TalkEd (rar, 223 KB), a dialog.tlk editor. It was developed for Windows, but works fine in Wine.

Another is the FindRefs program which can be used to search all dialog quickly by including TLK references when using. Not all lines in the dialog.tlk file will show up when specific words are searched but all dialog that is accessible in-game are.

Fanon watch
Many KOTOR articles are prone to fanon. It especially concerns Darths (such as Revan, Darth Malak, or Kreia), the Jedi Exile, and, to a lesser extent, the Jedi Masters. Here are some things you should keep in mind.

NEC
This is all the NEC has to say about KOTOR. If someone makes a dubious claim and cites the NEC and it's not there, remove it.

NEGD
T3, HK and G0-T0 have NEGD pages. It is there that the Exile is confirmed to be female.

Lightsaber forms
Nothing is said about lightsaber forms in the first game or the comics. It is unknown who used which form.

In The Sith Lords, the only differences between forms are in gameplay mechanics, not aesthetics. It is impossible to distinguish forms any of the characters used based on the visuals; the engine always uses the same animations. The Exile always learns the forms in the order they're canonically numbered: Form I: Shii-Cho, Form II: Makashi, Form III: Soresu, Form IV: Ataru, Form V: Shien, Form VI: Niman, and Form VII: Juyo*. Forms I – III are learned as the player levels up, regardless of the class. Forms IV – VII are not available to the "Jedi Master" prestige class, and are taught by the three Jedi Masters always in the same order, regardless of the order the Masters are visited, so any form can be taught by any Master.

Canonically, it is not possible to say which class the Exile may have been based on the forms. In the CSWE entry for Kavar, it says "After Vaklu was defeated, Kavar chose to teach the Exile new lightsaber combat techniques before setting out for Dantooine to rebuild the Jedi Order." However, a prestige class has not been identified for the Exile, and it is the prestige class that will determine which forms she used.

(*)The final form depends on the player's prestige class: a "Jedi Watchman" learns Niman, while a "Jedi Weapon Master" learns Juyo. Vaapad does not exist at this point. Any references to Vaapad in Darth Bane: Path of Destruction are erroneous, and Drew Karpyshyn has said that readers should pretend it says Juyo.

Double identity or suspected identity theories
Should be always treated as speculation and constrained to Bts at best, unless explicitly confirmed by JJM or another official.

TSL cut content
Refer to, , or ask the question on the Lucas Forums. Keep in mind that TSL has a lot of obscure content that is sometimes mistakenly believed to be cut, but is actually canon (or ambiguous canon, such as Atton's Easter egg lines).

The Old Republic continuity
The continuing development of Star Wars: The Old Republic is going to introduce new pieces of information in regards to the KotOR era. This may come in the form of ancestral connections, new information about events or individuals, or expanded details. While TOR will not fall under our project, we must stay aware of these changes. Currently, there is very little new information, so it will be listed in this section. When the game is released, no doubt much more information will be introduced. To this end, WP:TOR have set up a forum where WP:KOTOR members can request information from The Old Republic media.


 * Satele Shan is confirmed as the descendant of one of the main characters of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic. This ancestor has been confirmed to be Bastila Shan. It has been speculated in-universe that she may also be Revan's descendant, this is not confirmed as of yet. It is also unconfirmed he and Bastila were married, had kids together, etc.
 * It has been confirmed that after the events of the original KOTOR, Revan went to fight the Sith Empire. Any reference to an "unknown threat" or "True Sith" should be changed to reflect this. Note that the term "True Sith" is not actually a canon proper noun while doing so.

Tagging articles
To identify KOTOR articles as belonging to this WookieeProject, use the WKOTORtalk template on the talk page, which will produce the following result:

If you find that you are creating an article's talk page, please add Talkheader to the first line, and then the project's tag on the second line.

Participants
Cylka  -talk-
 * Jedi Kasra (comlink)
 *  Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png (Talk)
 * NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo.png
 * Nayayen [[Image:Old_Republic_military_symbol.svg|18px]](talk)
 * Graestan ( Talk )
 *  Grunny  ( Talk )
 * Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink)
 * Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith  -Just shy, not antisocial: You can talk to me!-
 * Darth Culator (Requests)
 * Eyrezer
 * Tm_T(Talk)
 *  DarthRage Leave a message after the beep
 * Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy )
 * -- 1358  (Talk)
 * Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg (talk) 19:23, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 *  Holocron Greatholocron.jpg (Complain)
 * Darth Lecan (Tell me something) Sith Emblem.svg 06:18, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Master Fredcerique Begun the Clone Wars has †
 * QuiGonJinn Senate seal.svg(Talk)
 *  OLIOSTER  (talk)
 *  DarthEgerus  (talk)
 * Mandalore5 (specialising in KotOR1 and TSL)
 *  Sam2011 Wiki.png(Talk) (KotOR Expert)
 *  Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  18:27, May 23, 2011 (UTC)
 *  Ruthless Xero (Comment) 03:56, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 *  Ruthless Xero (Comment) 03:56, June 7, 2011 (UTC)

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