Talk:Mace Windu/Legends

See also Talk:Mace Windu/Archive.

The Body of Mace Windu
Was Windu's corpse ever recovered in the Expanded Universe? OxfordScholar09 15:31, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Not that I know of. I wrote it in a fanfic, so I had to research and make sure it never was. If it was, it was not recorded. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 16:05, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Mace Windu Lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mace as Yoda's Padawan
If Im not mistaken, either Shatterpoint or the Episode 3 Novelization confrims that Mace was Yoda's padawan.

Interestingly, Episode 2 notes that Dooku was also trained by Yoda at one point...

Fought well you have, my old Padawan. -Yoda to Dooku, AotC

I visited Dooku's page and saw that it probally needs to be added there as well.

When I find the exact quote for Mace, I'll let you guys know and post it here with the source.

Final Battle
Some of you may want to space me just for even thinking this out loud, but I've always said be proud of what you think, so here it goes. As I read the Episode III novelization, it appeared the Mace kept pushing himself to keep up with Palpatine, and that Vaapad was using your "darkness" with out letting it use you. And also, Mace's love for the Republic, and his reaction that the Jedi Order was under the control of the Sith also gave me some pause. Finally, the fact that Mace was going to kill Palpatine unarmed (but I admit, not defenseless), leads me to what may be a horrorfying thought?

In his last battle, could Mace Windu have been touching the dark side? -- SFH 00:28, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

No of course not! Its a good thought but as you said he was fighting for the Republic he loved! Also Palpatine had control over the Senate and the Courts, a trail would have been useless and in the end the jedi would have had to kill Palps


 * "In his last battle, could Mace Windu have been touching the dark side?"
 * That is a definite possibility. There was a lot that was wrong with the old Jedi Order. If you love somebody, and you think she's going to die, and you go to Yoda with your concerns and instead of comforting you he tells you to be happy about it, how can anybody say there is nothing wrong with that? Face it, those old Jedi were a cult of nutjobs, Windu included.
 * The most telling thing about that encounter to me is that Windu was willing to abandon "the Jedi Way" in favor of expediency. Those old Jedi lived their lives in rigid adherence to a strict code of behaviour. Any deviation from it supposedly led to the dark side, right? It's the reason they weren't allowed to form attachments, the reason they couldn't pursue romantic relationships. Like many things, it came down to the question "do the ends justify the means?" The Jedi Order of old, for all its faults, felt that the ends did not justify the means and that some means were simply not acceptable. Hence the strict code of behaviour.
 * In the end, Anakin felt that the ends justified the means, speficically that the end of keeping his wife alive justified...well, it justified just about any means, including mass murder. So that was wrong. But before he made that conclusion, he tried to tell Windu that killing an unarmed Palpatine in cold blood flew in the face of the Jedi code of behaviour, that those were unacceptable means. Windu said that it didn't matter. In order to rid the galaxy of an evil individual, he was willing to go against the Jedi code. He was willing to do a bad thing for a good reason. If that isn't the dark side, I don't know what is. It's a hell of a lot more dark side than getting married! Man, I'm sorry, but I lost all respect for the Jedi Order when I learned about the ban on having a girlfriend or boyfriend, I mean that's just insane, as is anybody who believes in it. --HanShotFirst 23:36, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * There is definately descripancy (sp) in the original trilogy's policy on redemption and the prequel's. In Episode VI Luke wishes to redeem his father, but Obi Wan doesn't want to let him. Obi Wan thinks that Vader is dangerous and must die. It would seem that Mace would think the same and he does with Palpatine. But at the same time we have the Code, and the fact that it was not the Jedi way to kill Dooku execution style. All three instances, weak opponents, opponents that could be cut down easily, in one Luke is encouraged to kill the relatively defenseless Vader, but later it is revealed that this would turn him to the dark side, (when Luke cut off Vader's hand.) I think it's not as definate as we make it out to be. By following the Jedi Code with such devotion as Mac and Obi Wan did, they did become somewhat dark themselves.-- [[User:Graal|Graal] 11:01, October 05, 2006 (UTC)

there seems to be a lot of...interesting variations to the jedi moral code throughout the series. also, don't discount the view of some jedi that there is neither light nor dark to the force, that the force weilder is the one who descides. considering this, mace would be really difficult to see as either good or evil. and just because mace was "fighting for the republic he loves" doesn't meen he wasn't evil. technically, anakin was fighting for the love of padme, but we still consider him evil. also, the views of the jedi on morality differ greatly from jedi to jedi, as seen in the differences between the "old jedi code" (no marriage, ect.) and the code that luke establishes later on. seeing as the jedi themselves couldn't seem to come to any conclusions as to good and evil, it's fairly difficult to do so in regards to mace. Bluemoonflame 06:47, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * True, and the Force is something that may never be fully explained to us. I don't believe Mace was touching the dark side, and if Force lightning is considered a weapon (it's certainly lethal), than Palpatine was armed and Mace could be justified in killing him. Obi-Wan and Yoda certainly intended to destroy the threat of the Sith- by killing both of them, and they didn't turn to the dark side. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 06:55, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I will not spac e you

Sometimes we have to realize that killing someone is a necessary evil. It's like a police sniper taking out a man who has hostages and is about to kill them. Mace didn't want to take a "helpless" and "untried" man's life, but this man was the ultimate enbodiment of evil that would bear responsibility for the deaths of BILLIONS. He was doing his grim duty. If only Anakin hadn't interfered. 75.14.45.58 02:08, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I direct you all to the Jedi Shadow article. If anything, those guys were living proof that the Jedi mercy for all life did not extend to those percieved as fallen, despite the "even the dark ones deserve redemption" attitude that pops up here and there. I guess we just have to face that the Jedi consists of different individuals during different time periods. Everything changes. DarthMRN 11:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

I would like to object to the statement "about the ban on having a girlfriend or boyfriend, I mean that's just insane, as is anybody who believes in it." The ban makes perfect sense when you look at Anakin, who grew so attached to his wife that we wiped out much of the Jedi order in an effort to gain knowledge he thought could save her. Yoda had the best advice of all: learn to let go of those you are attached to, because nothing lasts forever(except the Force, maybe). In fact, if Anakin had followed Yoda's advice instead of obeying Palpatine, Padme probably wouldn't have died as soon as she did. So I guess Yoda and the other Jedi aren't quite as crazy as some people think.

The Old Jedi law of banning marriage and romantic relationships is like communism, it works in theory but not in practice. Sure, by obeying you can remove the tempations that Anakin faced, but if it hadn't been illegal he and Padme could have opened up and been accepted by the Jedi. Being open with the other Jedi about his relationship might have prevented his fears, or at least dispelled them. He might not have fallen. The history of Star War would have been different, etc, etc. The New Jedi Order Changes this, and I think it works out a lot better. ~Anonymous Star Wars Fan


 * I personally think since they did not find the body, Mace went into exile, like Master Yoda. I like Mace, and he's stronger than that. He could take a beating like that. --66.218.13.95 04:51, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

Was Mace played like puppet during his duel with Sidious?

 * I dont think he was played. But nor do i think Sidious fought to his best ability. I think sids was just stalling for time until Anakin arrived, then he could play the "defeated chancellor". But I think if Sids wanted to REALLY beat Mace, he wouldv tried a heck of alot harder.
 * You can checked the Behind the scenes section of Duel in the Chancellor's Office for more details - I work very hard on writing them. Darth Kevinmhk 18:20, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Palpatine knew that in order to seduce anakin and bring him to the dark side, anakin had to willingly betray the jedi. He struck down the first three jedi like they were nothing, then kept mace going until anakin showed up. I admit that sidious was not 100% in control, but he did lead mace on.

Death of Mace pic
The flashing skull seems kind of dumb when we have pics that show his death and tell us more about it. I have included two pics for your consideration. - Angel Blue 451 00:33, 27 August 2006 (UTC)




 * The current one looks fine to me. Darth Kevinmhk 02:54, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, wouldn't it be better if we had a pic that said more than, "Mace is being electrocuted"? Or at least showed more of his body? - Angel Blue 451 05:26, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I dont like the quality / resolution of these 2... though the left one is in my eyes better than the right. I would capture one myself if not for my faulted dvd drive. I'm open to proposals, of course. Between the two I would choose the left. Darth Kevinmhk 10:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Here is a bit better quality version of the left screenshot. - Angel Blue 451 14:49, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[[Image:Zapped.PNG|thumb|right|250px]]
 * I beg your pardon... but the new one was from the right one! Darth Kevinmhk 15:01, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * So it is. Sorry, still waking up. - Angel Blue 451 15:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

What does this matters with the film, skulls don't prevent you from watching it, and I must say I have a low opinion to the pictures!--Master Chief Petty Officer 10:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Has He Ever Had Hair?
Was Mace Windu bald as a kid too, or did he start shaving his head later? LOL. --69.34.149.82 21:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, he did have hair. Darth Vatrir

Flow of the Light and Dark
I'de like to see a section on him and his connection to the dark side. You know, like when he used Force Crush on grevious. They go into a little bit of depth on that on the juyo page.

Death?
How do we know that he died?He may have survived.
 * Ye...no. And sign your comments with four tildes. .  .  .  .  03:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * MACE WINDU LIVES! Mace is still alive, as the force made an absorbent shield to protect him from the pain. Master Mace 01:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, and I suppose Jango Fett is alive too, that his head was actually under the false helmet. And I suppose that Darth Vader doesn't die, but instead wakes up after passing out, giving his son a spare set of his armor to burn so he can disappear from the public eye!!


 * And I suppose that Admiral Ozzel and Captain Needa in Episode V weren't killed by Vader; they just passed out in extreme pain.


 * Just face it, if Mace Windu is alive, so is every single stormtrooper that Han Solo ever blasted, so is the little Ewok that stops moving in Episode VI. Palpatine probably didn't die in Episode VI either; the dark side blast was just a ruse to make Luke think he was dead...


 * Think these things sound ridiculous? They're just as ridiculous as the theory of Mace Windu still being alive. He's dead, just like all the other poor and unfortunate jedi. Stop trying to ruin a good, tragic death.  My name's Doncroft on Wikipedia. Sorry I'm not signed in.75.14.45.58 02:14, 12 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Here's my signature.--Doncroft 11:53, 9 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I would just like to comment that, according to the article, Mace Windu could levitate, which makes me wonder if he couldn't slow a long fall enough to survive. DenimForce2.0 19:16, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Just Because he was able to levitate doesn't mean that he could have stopped the long fall out of Palpatine's window. Obi-Wan was only able to slow him down enough to survive with Anakin compensating by bringing the speeder down in Episode II. Mace Windu was stronger than Obi Wan, obviously, but he wasn't good enough to survive that.


 * I know I sound like a snob when I say this, but Palpatine did die there but he didn't "perish from existence" check his little article if you can accept the truth of what I speak... -Kath.Hound 04:07, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

who knows he could have fallen on a passing by speeder driven by an ewok or or something. The point is WE DON'T KNOW. Unless there is a novel or a comic ( a canon one) saying he is alive with a mechanical left arm we might never know.

A speculation section should be added, because their is no verification of his death at all, remember when we all thought Boba Fett was dead?
 * The New Essential Chronology verifies his death. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 00:14, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Mace's Clone Commander???

 * I have a purple airbourne trooper figure that came with the Target battlepack, Mace Windu's Battilion. Does that clone commander have a name? Quinlanfan 00:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

New Introduction?
Hey guys!

What do u think about the introduction we read @wikipedia.com?

Just for those ones who don't know it yet:

- Windu is a Jedi Master of legendary status and one of the last members of the Jedi Council before the Great Jedi Purge. He possesses extensive knowledge of Jedi history and philosophy. A diplomat by nature, Master Windu is the Council's primary liaison to the Chancellor, although the Clone Wars caused him to question his firmest held beliefs, and engage more in combat.

Considered a respected Jedi like the venerable Master Yoda, though eight centuries his junior, Windu is a senior member of the Jedi Council, second only to Yoda himself in authority. His wisdom and power are legendary, as is the weight of his words. Though if Yoda is said to be the compassionte heart of the order, then Windu is its chivalrous mailed fist.

Mace Windu is the Grand Master of all major forms of Swordsmanship in the Galaxy, as well as Martial Arts such as Teräs Käsi. He easily rivals master Yoda in terms of skill and mettel in combat, and is the Greatest Warrior of his generation. Windu is also an excellent chief mentor and considered a wise and powerful Jedi Guardian Master of the Jedi Order. -

I think it's a far better introduction than we have on our page here. What do you think? Shall we change/overwrite it? Or whatever?
 * I believe to take this new intro, it has a more positive and articulated intro. Master Mace 01:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That's the worst fanwank I've read in weeks. --Imp 21:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Jango fight
Wheres the source that says when he fought jango that jango used a lightsaber it smells like fanon to me. 69.26.85.167 02:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's blatant fanon and has been removed. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 13:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Fan Vid
[] Look at this vid that I picked up on Youtube, its good. (Please, don't critisize) Darth Vatrir

Mace Windu v.s Palpatine
Palpatine can't even defeat Windu, when Windu is less powerful than Yoda, and referring to the Senate Battle, Palpatine actually beat Yoda? How could that be, Yoda is a Grand Master and Windu is Yoda's apprentice! --Master Chief Petty Officer 10:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That is a pretty flawed statement. At any rate, Wookieepedia is not the place to discuss things like this. --Imp 10:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well logcially, I haven't been under the offense of any rule, you see, I have said that it is unusual, this is a discussion, isn't it? --Master Chief Petty Officer 13:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * What Wookieepedia is not. --Imp 20:58, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course, that is why I post it, it has a meaning,
 * Nope, it doesn't. Palpatine did beat Yoda; that's G-canon, so the discussion is pointless - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 20:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * If Mace is so strong, why isn't he able to become a force ghost? (Jman4361) 2/9/07
 * Because George Lucas didn't want him to be one. Besides, apparently it's a secret technique tied to the Will of the Force that has to be learned.


 * It's possible that when Yoda was fighting Sidious, Sidious was probably using Yoda's doubts against him, and Jedi probably were still being executed during the fight, so I think that is the only reason that Sidious defeated Yoda. Otherwise, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now.--Chip 03:32, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

I think this is discussed more extensively in the Palpatine discussion area, but it is unknown whether Mace really defeated Palpatine, or Palpatine threw the fight in order to make a stronger case for the Jedi turning rogue to Anakin (who was watching). As for being a Force ghost...the technique was learned by Qui-Gon & taught initially to Yoda & then to Obi-Wan. No canon mention of Mace learning it. And about the Senate Arena (Yoda vs Sidious) fight...ok, i daresay the novelization gives better insight to the situation. Could be Yoda purposely allowed himself to be bested in order to save the knowledge he gained during the battle (refer RoTS novel). But in the movie, it's rather clear that even if Yoda was not defeated, he couldn't carry on fighting for reasons described in the novel. In a way, I'd say Palpatine did win. -Naz-

Source for Tra Saa instructing younglings?
As it was stated he was instructed like most younglings by Yoda and Master Saa. Source? Micah Giett 20:57, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Source for Uda Khalid killing his parents?
The article with Uda Khalid is in Star Wars Tales, os is not necessarily canon is it (if so should the pic be removed)? Also, the article says his parents were dead when he was chosen as a Jedi, but the pic at the bottom, though not canon shows his parents. Which of these should not be included? Micah Giett 20:57, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I think that we should keep the pic. and name that other jedi taking him. User:ivel
 * Yeah, we should totally name the Jedi taking away Mace. Taht would be teh aw3s0m3! Oh, wait. This isn't a fanon wiki. Ivel, go read about what we do here. And, for future reference, "delete" doesn't have an "a" in it. Cutch 05:49, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Something has to be changed...
So one of the quotes in the article says

"...each whirl of blade and whipcrack of lightning was a strike in defense of democracy, of justice and peace, of the rights of ordinary beings to live their own lives in their own ways. He was fighting for the Republic that he loved." —Mace Windu, as he fought Palpatine

But the describing text of a picture, showing the very same fight, says

"Mace Windu fights for his life against Darth Sidious."

So unless someone is gonna say that Windu was convinced that he was democracy, justice, peace, the free will, and the republic I think one of those should be changed/removed.

I would say loose the second one. He is a Jedi. I'm no StarWars-fanatic, but I remember something telling me that "the life of a Jedi is not his to live", that he's is supposed to be willing to sacrifice his life for the greater good, [add arbitrary heroic statement here], etc. etc..

Of course, you could say that he was fighting for he's life so he could strike lightsabers left-and-right for democracy, justice, peace, the free will, (I'm not gonna cotinue). But that would still mean that he wasn't fighting for his life.

81.170.138.232 16:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Good evening, Ladies and Gentlemen. This Is Pedanticism. .  .  .  .  02:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Mace like pepperspray?
How is Mace pronounced? In Star Wars Battlefront it sounds like they're saying "mesa" Windu.

yea mace like pepperspray (only he is so much better than a can of pepperspray)

Windu's Quote
This can't be right. In the part with the Duel in the Chancellor's Office, it has a quote with Mace saying:

"…each whirl of blade and whipcrack of lightning was a strike in defense of democracy, of justice and peace, of the rights of ordinary beings to live their own lives in their own ways. He was fighting for the Republic that he loved."

Windu died during the duel, and he didn't become a force ghost, and he didn't say it during the duel, so how could that be canon? Trebor23 17:49, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know what this section is about, but here are the answers: 1) Who said he became a Force ghost? He obviously didn't. 2) He didn't say that. It is an excerpt from the novel. - TopAce 21:40, 24 March 2007 (UTC)

Oh, I get it now. I said he didn't turn into a force ghost. But if it was from the novel, it was weird, 'cause if it ws from Mace's point of view, wouldn't it say something like, "He is fighting for the republic he loves"? --Trebor23 22:24, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a story told in the past tense. It's a narrative tool. I think it is related to the preface of the novel, in which it says: "It happened a long time ago and nothing can be done to change it." - TopAce 22:46, 24 March 2007 (UTC)
 * How can Mace not become a Force ghost since he is the second best swordsman in the Jedi Order during his time?Jasonfu 20:40, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Power has nothing to do with it. See Force ghost. It has to be learned, and Qui-Gon Jinn was the only one who knew how - Yoda and Obi-Wan learned from him. Then again (again from the Force ghost article) Anakin Skywalker became a Force ghost upon his death, though he hadn't learned the technique. The article says that the spirits of Obi-Wan and Yoda brought him to the other side with them. I suppose Qui-Gon could have done this with Mace, but then again he might not have been powerful enough to do that, as he was never known to appear as a Force ghost, only as a voice.

I really don't see how that was related to the discussion above, though. :-) --Crazy Jedi Girl 17:25, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Die like some punk?
Jasonfu 20:34, 2 April 2007 (UTC)The article said that Jackson would not work in the episode 3 if Mace Windu dies like some punk. Can somebody define the 'Punk' for me please? By the way, does Mace's lightsaber really have the words 'Bad Motherfucker' attached to it?


 * Should this be reported?--Doncroft 03:31, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

According to legend, (I'm about 90% sure, I read it in Entertainment Weekly which is pretty reliable) the initials B.M.F are on the hilt of Jackson's lightsaber. This is a reference to Pulp Fiction, in which Jackson's character Jules had a wallet with B.A.M.F (I think you can figure it out on it. Also according to legend, it was Jackson's idea to have a purple lightsaber, as he wanted to stand out more from the other Jedi. ~Anonymous Star Wars Fan

Abilities
I was wondering if someone should add to the abilities section Mace's affinity to see Shatterpoints? --Jacenskylo 03:41, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Temporary Image Gallery

 * This page is so overstocked with images it ain't funny. As a result, I'm stripping some. I'll keep them here until I deside which ones go back in.

Flying?
I just added a citation needed tag regarding his supposed abilities to fly. I have never seen or read of evidence that he can out right fly. If anyone has the specific issue in a comic, page in a novel, or other information of that, please add it to the references. If not, I am removing that ability from the discussion of abilities.24.239.162.211 05:48, 11 August 2007 (UTC)Anonymous

All right, it is three days later, so I am going to cut that part out. If anyone has citations for it, do please readd it and add them.24.239.162.211 06:28, 15 August 2007 (UTC)Anonymous

New Quote
I added a new beginning quote, as I thought the old one "A wise man once told me that we don't have to win all we have to do is fight," was not very relevant. Should it be changed back? TheCoolestDude 13:57, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Mace's Talents
Shouldn't the stuff on Mace being able to land six blows in the blink of an eye and tear battle droids to pieces and the like be qualified with something along the lines of "it was reported by a very small boy that...". Mace clearly couldn't REALLY do that (well, I suppose you could argue that Sidious and/or Dooku were surpressing the Jedi's ability on Geonosis, hmmm, I quite like that) since otherwise the Geonosis battle would have been less of a battle and more of a tin can opening party. (Ulicus 09:05, 8 October 2007 (UTC))

Well, we shouldn't believe everything from the cartoon clone wars. If we did we'd all be thinking that Grievous could take on Ki-adi mundi, Aayla Secura and numerous other jedi at the same time and not to mension a Clone commando task force. Quite fascinating, seeing as Kenobi killed him with a blaster. It was a cartoon series and cartoons need overpowered supervilliains and overpowered 'look at me I can fly' jedi who can take out the bolts and nails of a superbattledroid just by waving his hand. Let's just say the force was with him that day, lucky man. - Dries 12:21, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

Mace's Talents (2)
I would have to disagree that the cartoon version of Clone Wars displays an exaggerated account of Jedi abilities. All throughout the Star Wars mythos, characters are portrayed as having rather spectacular applications of Force power. Why a licensed cartoon (executively produced by George Lucas) should be considered anything less than C-canon is beyond me. If Palpatine can hurl multiple senate pods at Master Yoda (a utterly powerful and caricatured display of Force ability especially for one seemingly as old and feeble as Palpatine), it stands to reason that Master Windu was quite capable of dissassembling and defeating super battle droids with the Force. Many noted Force users have given insight to the magnitude and variety of its power. Qui-Gon Jinn once stated, "The ways of the Living Force are beyond our understanding... But fear not. You are in the hands of something much greater and much better than you can imagine."

- Qui-Gon Jinn

That being said, it stands to reason that just because one cannot fathom a Jedi "who can take out the bolts and nails of a superbattledroid just by waving his hand", doesn't make it impossible. Also, never was it stated that the account of Mace's actions on Dantooine were recounted by a "very small boy". If you look closely at the cartoon, the small boy was rather far away from the rather crowded battlefield. I don't think his eyes were too capable of seeing so close and differentiating who's who, unless he paid attention to the distant purple glow of a certain Jedi master's lightsaber. But remember also that Mace's lightsaber was separated from him during most of that battle, hence the display of his physical prowess and command of the Force. If by chance I am wrong about the "very small boy" thing, please correct me by all means. Tommy9281 01:19, 06 December 2007 (UTC)

As for General Grievous, it is stated that the Battle of Hypori was his first public appearance against the Republic. The Jedi that fought him were unprepared for such an adversary the likes of which none of them had ever seen. I have to believe that were it not for Obi-Wan's clone detatchment's timely arrival, the Jedi battling Grievous would all have perished. And remember also that the clone troopers caught him at unawares and chased him off. He knew then that he wasn't invincible. By the time of the Battle of Coruscant, Grievous had already killed numerous Jedi, but they (the Jedi Order) were aware of him and were most likely preparing themselves to face him again. Though he had bested his fair share of Jedi knights (including the four charged with protecting the Supreme Chancellor), he had not yet faced their hammer: Mace Windu. Master Windu's crushing of Grievous' chestplates served as the catalyst for Obi-Wan to further damage them and end the threat that was Grievous once and for all. In short, the Jedi were unprepared for him at first, but as he made a name for himself the Jedi became familiar enough with him, allowing Master Kenobi to destroy him. Tommy9281 01:10, 07 December 2007 (UTC)

Flying (2)
In the shatterpoint novel it said that Mace flew out of the bunker ceiling after Kar Vastor. I don't have the exact chapter/page/scenario, but when I do I will cite the reference. In the meanwhile, if someone else knows of what I speak please update this post. Tommy9281 01:19, 06 December 2007 (UTC)

Windu's Saber
Could anyone state the source that says that Mace's crystal is given to Mara Jade?

Mace and Count
Why do people say Count Dooku is stronger then Mace. i thought Yoda and Mace were the best known jedi.

Did the clones hate him
Did any of the clones dislike Mace? After all he killed Jango who I guess technically was the "father" of the clone troopers