Talk:Sifo-Dyas/Legends

Er...Obi-Wan says in the film that he was under the impression that Dias was killed before the order was placed. How is that reconciled? --Fade 13:38, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Urgh, this madness- Obi-Wan tells the Prime Minister that "Master Sifo-Dyas was killed, almost ten years ago." then later states "They say Master Sifo-Dyas placed an order for a clone army at the request of the Senate almost ten years ago *pause* I was under the impression he was killed before that.". Since when was almost ten years ago before almost ten years ago? --Fade 01:02, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * In Labrynth of Evil, it is shown that Dooku takes over Dyas' identity and places the order, and that he is one responsible for Dyas' death.--Eion 01:06, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * One thing I've never understood... why did Dooku bother to assume Dyas' identity when (1) he was a Jedi Knight anyway and to the Kaminoans would have just as much authority since all that matters to them is money, and (2) he'd already revealed to Jango Fett the name Darth Tyranus when hiring him to be the clone source. --SeanR 01:16, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Simple, by tying up all the loose ends in Dyas, he avoided any questions. However, Dyas had already planned to order the Clone Army BEFORE Dooku killed him, so it seems Dooku just usurped the idea for his own, twisting it to suit the Sith's designs.--Eion 01:22, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * So why did he use the name Tyranus instead of Dyas when hiring Jango? --SeanR 01:28, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Shrugs Shoulders*--Eion 01:38, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

I think we need to decide whether Dooku or Sifo-Dyas actually commissioned the army. If it's the former, as this suggests, then the article needs to be changed. I'm leaning towards the former as well because it would explain where he got all the money necessary - I get the impression that Dooku was independently wealthy. --GenkiNeko 13:47, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Ignoring the EU for a moment, Obi-Wan knows that Sifo died almost ten years ago, and that the army was commissioned almost ten years ago. For some BIZARRE reason, Obi-Wan somehow works out that 'almost ten years ago' is longer than 'almost ten years ago', coming to the conclusion that Dias died before the order was placed (see my post above). On a seperate note, this article is horribly OOU.--Fade 13:57, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I might be a little late for this discussion but I just thought of something. If Dooku was behind the clone army, usurping it after Sifo-Dyas, then why did he act surprised at the Battle of Geonosis at how the Republic could come up with such an army in such a short amount of time? Or was he playing both sides too? -- Riffsyphon1024 08:27, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Dooku was pretending to be ignorant of the clone army for the benefit of the Separatist leaders who were also present at the time. Remember, as far as the Separatist Council were concerned, Sidious and Tyranus were only assisting the CIS. QuentinGeorge 09:36, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * And the Separatist Council didn't know that Palpatine and Sidious were on in the same. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:17, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * If you look at the books, (or at least the young reader novelization, which is all I have on hand right now) it seems Obi-Wan is unsure of the exact date of Sifo's death, but says 10 years to stop the Kaminoans from figuring out anything's going on--Erl 00:22, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I thought we knew he died around ten years prior to Geonosis. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:24, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * In EP2 Movie, Novel, Script, Young Reader and Comic, Obi-Wan was indeed unsure, because by the time of EP2 Production Sifo-Dyas was only meant to be an alias of Sidious, not an actual Jedi Master. After the release of EP2 the fans discussed his identity to such a hot level that Labyrinth of Evil was released to retcon and explain Sifo-Dyas' identity. By now, yes, Dooku killed Sifo-Dyas around 32 BBY under the command of Darth Sidious. Darth Kevinmhk 02:33, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * So, the around ten years prior to Geonosis seems good. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:25, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * You got it. :) Darth Kevinmhk 02:56, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Date confusion
Since the death of Darth Maul occured the same year (or later) when Tyrannus killed Dyas, when did Sidious had the time to find Dooku and replace his former apprentice? it seems like he had already corrupted Dooku while Maul was alive, or am I missing something? 62.74.1.119 22:18, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Dooku's murder of Sifo-Dyas was his final "step" towards becoming a Sith Lord, and he had left the Order just after the Battle of Naboo (in fact almost immediately). Remember, AoTC is a little bit OVER ten years after TPM. QuentinGeorge 06:06, 4 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Picture

 * Star Wars Visionaries has a brief image of a dead Sifo-Dyas. Since it's in the only canon picture of him, it might be good to have in here. Anyway able to scan it? QuentinGeorge 10:27, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * IIRC, only some of Visionaries is canon. --SparqMan 11:56, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * The canon stories include that specific one - which also has the backstory for General Grievous. QuentinGeorge 12:16, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Er...

 * "Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, who was in truth Darth Sidious, manipulated and duped Sifo-Dyas to secretly commission a clone army on Kamino, ostensibly to defend the Republic". Doesn't Labyrinth of Evil imply Sifo-Dyas ordered the army of his own initiative? Sidious only learns about it later, and realizes it can be used to further his plans - Kwenn 12:36, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I believe Sifo-Dyas ordered it on it's own&mdash;or at least the Jedi Order believed that. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:40, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)

In his sleep?

 * As far as I can check from Labyrinth of Evil and EP3 Visual Dictionary, Dooku did murder Sifo-Dyas, but which source stated that it was in his sleep? Please kindly clarify. Thz. Darth Kevinmhk 08:43, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think whoever wrote that was thinking of Sidious killing Plagueis in his sleep.--Rune Haako 08:54, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * That's probably it. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 13:16, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Seems settle. Let me change it then. Darth Kevinmhk 14:06, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 15:47, 18 March 2006 (UTC)