Talk:Galen Marek

Number of sections
I think we should dramatically reduce the number of sections in this article, it makes it look kinda messy. We don't need a section for each level of the game, and the game takes place over only a nine month time period. We should merge them into each other and name them so that the name covers a larger period. DjMack 17:26, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you think simply removing some of the headings would work? I think the content is fine.--Anonyhm 01:05, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah thats what I meant, I just worded it really badly. DjMack 03:10, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Looks like someone added more material. It seems to have stretched out the headings in a couple of places. With some work, the same could probably be done where it wasn't so effective, or applied. What do you think?--Anonyhm 02:13, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I like what Jensaarai did with rearranging. I think the heading for "declaration of a rebellion" is one paragraph too low, though. Anyone agree? I don't have time to get to it, myself; sorry.--Anonyhm 20:29, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

Quote
I believe that the quote at the top of the page is not a good one to open this article with... it should have stayed as "Rise, my apprentice".
 * I thought that was stupid when the quote was that. You need something that describes the character. And that quote was too cliche. DjMack 16:05, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay... I just thought that since the quote at the top of the page only represents part of his life, it would make more sense to use that quote somewhere else and to use another one that describes his full character at the top. But it's OK with me. Kgrimes2 19:26, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the quote defines his character very well. He's in general a very conflicted character. After all, everything he's ever been taught turns out to be a lie. 21:48, 4 January 2009 (UTC-8)

I've changed the quote to one that represents both his path life as a Sith apprentice and assisting in the founding of the Rebellion. Drewton  ( Drewton's Holocron ) 17:17, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Infobox image
The current image represents him only as Vader's apprentice, has been there months before the game was released, and desparetely needs to be changed. I propose one of these four images, which are of Galen in Jedi robes on the Death Star.

Drewton  ( Drewton's Holocron ) 17:31, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Option 1 - This looks to be the best, but probably isn't right for the infobox since part of his head is covered by a hood.
 * Option 2 - Looking towards the camera, but not a neutral expression.
 * Option 3 - Looking slightly towards the camera, with a neutral expression. This is probably the best.
 * Option 4 - Meh.
 * Not a fan of any of them to be perfectly honest. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png (Talk) 17:47, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

I was previously unaware that he used the same costume on Corellia and immediately before Corellia in the cutscenes, so here's another option, which I think is the best for the infobox. Drewton  ( Drewton's Holocron ) 18:16, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm all for it. Though that's just me. Others might be less willing to change the infobox image. Black backgrounds are always covering up for sloppy cropping. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png (Talk) 03:43, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I heartily agree with you, Drewton old chap! The current picture shows Galen as a slave. I say we show him as a free man! DarthWill3 00:56, 8 January 2009 (UTC)

Since there is no objection, I've replaced the infobox image with the last one suggested now. Drewton  ( Drewton's Holocron ) 03:07, 9 January 2009 (UTC)


 * After seeing it, I feel I should object to the new one, because he looks like a kid who's just about to try to whistle for the first time. -MPK 04:06, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

Finally! Good job. I hated that old infobox image. --Victortalk 04:17, 9 January 2009 (UTC)

The image used is not any of these and is too close up, pixily, and poor quality. The original was fine, as it appears the site refers promo images as they show full body and stuff. We should change it back or vote and notify. --SuperFlash101 20:28, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Infobox images are always close-ups, never full-body. Some don't even show the entire head, as in Cade Skywalker. The original was way too dark and just wasn't suitable for an infobox image. The angle was awkward, in addition. It's also important to show characters in the latest known parts of their life. Obi-Wan Kenobi's image is terrible with an ugly yellow background, but because it shows the latest part of his life, it has to be there, no matter the quality. The same with Darth Caedus. The current image is the best quality one I could find in the cutscenes of that time of his life. Drewton  Era-old.png ( Drewton's Holocron ) 23:58, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Drewton, is there a rule somewhere saying that infobox images must always be close-ups and must show the person as she or he was in the last part of her or his life, and also that image quality is irrelevant? I ask this because it looks to me like you just fixed something that wasn't broken in order to conform to an unwritten rule. Also, according to this rule, shouldn't the main image for the Anakin Skywalker article be one of Vader at the end of Episode 6, rather than Anakin as seen in Episode 3? -MPK 00:50, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

No, but it's a tradition that's been done for years, and a good one. If I recall previous discussion regarding Anakin's image correctly, it was because his Force Ghost was of the young Anakin, unlike Kenobi's. IMO, there are no major quality problems in the new image, but feel free to start another vote. Drewton  ( Drewton's Holocron ) 01:02, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, so who wants to use the old one? (Me, for one) And I understand, Drewton, you use the latest image of the person. But it should also be noticed that it should 1) Look nice, 2) Be recognizable, 3) Be good quality, and 4) Represent the character and it's personality. Therefore, Anakin's image is perfect, since for about half of his entire life he was evil and dark hearted. I still don't understand why Anakin has a Jedi template instead of a Sith one. He was just redeemed for, like, ten minutes, and I don't think he was considered a Jedi still. --SuperFlash101 05:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Policy dictates that it's whatever looks best for the infobox. Typically, the general consensus has been that headshots (almost mug shots) are, by the community, liked the best. Obi-Wan, it was decided that the majority wanted to have Alec Guiness in the infobox rather then Ewan and that's the best we've got of Alec, unfortunately. If it were bigger, I'd just crop it out myself and slap it against white. Anakin's was one that has been discussed in length numerous times and that's the result especially since Vader/Anakin were once separate articles. Cade was just something I did and did not discuss it at all with anyone. I'm actually surprised nobody brought the subject up. Now for this article. The former looks awful in an infobox. The crop is bad and the black sucks. If it were bigger, I'd vouch to crop it at the neck. But it can't be so the one Drewton suggests is the best option. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png (Talk) 05:13, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Redemtion, I don't agree with you on the last part. I loved the previous one, as it supllied exactly what people think of when they think either "The Secret Apprentice," "Starkiller," or "Galen Marek." The black worked perfectly, and the aim was fine. It wasn't a horrible closeup like Ashoka's or Obi-Wan's, and it was cropped perfectly at the beginning of his leg. It was like, "He's ready to fight." This, this is like just an odd expression as he's wearing those horrible bulky white clothes and his face is very hard to make out. The old one was just about the best quality I could think of, and it was really unneeded to change something that wasn't broken. And I thought Vader and Anakin were separate pages once; how ridiculous. Two pages on the same guy. --SuperFlash101 15:50, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I completely disagree about the cropping and the face being hard to make out. In the old one, the face was completely shadowed, and the black made it even worse. And, this is just me personally, but the image only made me think of "The Secret Apprentice" and "Starkiller", not "Galen Marek". Drewton  Era-old.png ( Drewton's Holocron ) 16:12, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Look, I've looked over that image a hundred times. It looks fine, just as good as Anakin's and everybody else's. I say, let's put a new vote: --SuperFlash101 00:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

Votes

Image 1 Image 2 Image 3 Image 4 Image 5
 * 1) SuperFlash101 00:58, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) MPK 02:44, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) I think this one looks best --Anonyhm 16:11, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 4)  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  02:21, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 1)  Drewton  Era-old.png ( Drewton's Holocron ) 01:45, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 2)  Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png (Talk) 17:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) Options 1 and 2 are both good in quality and focus, but as Redemption said, the infobox image is meant to represent character's last appearance, hence why option 2. QuiGonJinn Be mindful of the Living Force...Quigonheadshot.jpg 18:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) Gravy666 21:27, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 02:44, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) Logan Felipe 19:31, 9 March 2009 (UTC)
 * 7)  Ranveer2  (Talk) 20:03, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

To comment on Image 5, that would be completely unsuitable for the infobox. Drewton  ( Drewton's Holocron ) 01:46, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

And option 3 has half of his face covered with hood, which is not good for the infobox as well. QuiGonJinn Be mindful of the Living Force... 18:23, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Well, it's been forever. Guess it's the second one by a landslide. --Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 15:23, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Do you know what a "landslide" is?
 * It means it one barely. 4 to 5. And who are you, sign your posts, please. ~Excelsior, The Flash - (Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay!) 03:27, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Umm, a "landslide" is when it wins by a large margin. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 12:43, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

About the Jedi Trials...
I noticed that someone put the part about the Jedi Trials onto the page. For those who may not have heard, in TFU there is a downloadable level/campaign which Galen goes to the Jedi Temple on Coruscant to learn more about his father.


 * The information that the article has is mostly wrong.

It says that Vader send Galen there to complete the Jedi Trials, but at the very beginning of the level, PROXY makes it apparent that Galen is not supposed to be at the Temple. Right after that, Galen states that he wants to learn more about his father. When Galen finds what he is looking for, the hologram of his father tells Galen that he must complete the Jedi Trials. As far as we know, Vader doesn't even know about Galen's trip to the Jedi Temple.


 * Also, the section in the wrong place.

The article has the Jedi Temple segment right after the part that states that Galen defeated Rahm Kota, yet in the level, Kota is guiding Galen through the Jedi Temple. Galen is even wearing Jedi robes- the in-game description states that they used to belong to Kota. After the Kota duel, Kota is not seen for a few levels later. There is just about no way that Galen could have obtained those Jedi robes from Kota. Also, after Galen defeated Kota, Galen was still very loyal to Vader until Vader betrayed Galen, so it seems logical that Galen would never willingly wear Jedi robes.

Considering that the level was not included on the game's disk (it's considered a 'deleted scene'), should we even mention the Jedi Temple level as if it's canon? LucasArts decided that the level was not necessary in the game, which is why it became downloadable content.

EDIT: Why does the article have information from the Wii version of the game when the pictures are from the Xbox 360 and PS3 versions of Force Unleashed? Just because we're a Star Wars website doesn't mean we need to be as inconsistent as the movies (sorry for the bad joke)... --Gravy666 18:47, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Because people like mii (bad pun; sorry!) haven't figured out how to get screenshots from the Wii game; I'm terribly sorry!--Anonyhm 00:49, 16 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Downloadable content falls into the realm of expansion pack so it's in the same category as Empire at War: Forces of Corruption and Galactic Battlegrounds: Clone Campaigns. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png (Talk) 18:55, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The information in the article is from the Wii version of TFU anyway, not the downloadable stuff. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 18:55, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I second that: it's definitely in the Wii gameplay, more or less the way the article describes it. In truth I don't know if Vader tells him to participate in the Jedi trials specifically(I'd have to play through it again), but Vader does definitely send him there twice. The trials are also not in the novel. Unless there's better guidelines about constructing a composite story, I recommend we leave those sections virtually as is (anyone can edit, right?). --Anonyhm 22:20, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Request
Would it be possible to get a screenshot from the XBOX 360/PS3 version of the video game where Marek is impaled by Vader? I think the graphic novel's depiction is really weak and just looks terrible, when the alternative is far superior, especially if available in HD. I say XBOX/PS3 since the Wii graphics were simply terrible. If instead the graphic novel image must remain for a balance between the video game/graphic novel images, then I will object, but since I can't take screenies myself I suppose it doesn't matter. But here's to hoping someone else can take a screenshot of this. Thanks. :) – Victor talk 20:08, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

How Are We Going About This?
Sorry to ask this, but how are we making sense of the story? What I mean is, there is so much extra content added on to this story that it's very hard to make sense of. There are many extra Wii levels that in many ways contradict what the other versions of the game (and the book) say, and it also includes things those two versions don't have. However, Krome Studios, and not Lucasarts, made that version, so can we even call it canon when they take Star Wars into their own hands when they weren't even the people who came up with the story in the first place?

And how about this new downloadable level for the 360 and PS3 versions? How do we fit that into the already questionable Jedi Temple levels?

And how do we tell whether the book's details are more correct in certain situations than any version of the games' is?

And most importantly of all, can anyone even get in touch with Lucasarts to ask what is canon and what is not?

I'm sorry to ask all of this, but right now the state of this article and the story in general is (IMO) messed up by the Wii version of the game and by this new downloadable level (and by the fact that we have no lead on whether one version of the game or the book is right over the other).


 * Considering what you say, I re-watched the webdocs on Lucasarts.com and it looks like Krome Studios was very much working with Lucasarts to create what they did. I didn't get the impression that anything in any versions created were extra or outside of anything Lucasarts had in mind. Consulting Lucasarts isn't uncalled for, but be sure to publish their response if you do. Furthermore, another aspect I have learned about Wookieepedia is the information presented is more of a composite of all sources, even those whose canon features are questionable or not "recognized" as canon as long as they are marked as such. That makes all versions of the game, novel and comic fair game for information. I haven't read anything stating that one version of the story or another wasn't really what happens or was more true to form than the other versions. You have to be careful of copyright also. If I am wrong, someone please address this better.  The bottom line is you have to be careful that you don't get locked into one single version of a story simply because that's the one you personally are exposed to. For example, someone keeps saying Galen yells, "NOOO!" after Shaak Ti drops into the sarlacc, but I never saw it anywhere until I finally read the illustrated novelization. Unless I am wrong, what needs to be done is finding a seamless way to morph all of the information together. We're open to suggestion and discussion, or just make changes yourself. Did you have ideas in mind in particular?--Anonyhm 17:32, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen anything to really support one version over another either, but I have read the book and played the 360/PS3 and Wii versions of the game, and I felt that overall the book agrees far more with the 360/PS3 version. And as the rough hierarchy of 'story-line' generally goes books take precedence over games and graphic novels/comics, and personally I feel that the Wii version is a bit ridiculous in some of its approaches to the story, such as Galen’s return to the Jedi temple multiple times. My vote would be that until we can contact Lucasarts we go with the Book and 360/PS3 versions of the story line since they are, as I said before, the most consistent.  Ryan Fett  ( For Mandalore! )JaingHead.svg 02:33, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

The biggest problem with the Wii version changes is that the third level is, basically, exactly like the Kento cutscene in the second Kashyyyk level on Xbox360/PS3/the novel. Drewton  ( Drewton's Holocron ) 13:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * When its comes to what is considered to be "more" canon, I would generally tend to go with the novelization over the game, and have any inconsistencies noted in a behind the scenes section. - Cavalier One FarStar Logo.jpg( Squadron channel ) 15:15, 21 January 2009 (UTC)
 * But what about the fact that the novel is based on the game, rather than the other way around? -MPK 19:20, 21 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Not to mention, the article would need a significant overhaul, and such a "behind the scenes" section would be massive. The suggestion to contact Lucasarts may work, but I don't know how much affiliation they have/share with the wikia. If someone would do it, the confusion could be cleared. Until then, unless someone has a compelling desire to fix everything, I suggest we leave the composite that's in place, barring normal expected wikia editing.--Anonyhm 22:05, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * The best thing to do is to compare the game, comic and novel versions and find what they all agree on. Then we can just ignore anything that is not supported by the others. Does that sound fair?
 * Something like that may require a new talk thread, and sounds very complicated! If we really want to do that, we need to really think about what that will cut out, because each source has some very different pov's; we risk not having much of a story, except in some extra explanation sections. Then again, the simplicity may be ideal! I don't have all the resources to work on it--Anonyhm 08:08, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

When does the Starkiller vs Sith Stalker dual take place?
If starkiller's dual with the Sith Stalker is canon, then when does it take place? Is this his fourth trip to the Jedi Temple? --Bron Hañda 02:12, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It has to take place after the second Kashyyyk level (if the novel, Xbox360, and PS3 versions are considered higher canon), or, in the Wii/PS2 case, after the third Jedi Temple level. Otherwise, Marek wouldn't know anything or care much about learning about his father, and learning about Kento was the point of the downloadable Jedi Temple visit. Bah, with him apparently going to that place four times, it must have been a nightmare position for stormtroopers. :P Drewton  Era-old.png ( Drewton's Holocron ) 03:25, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

What Jedi Trials did Starkiller overcome?
Different parts of wookiepedia disagree on Galen's four Jedi Trials. All have agreed that the dual against Darth Desolous was his Trail of Skill. His Trail of Insight was Starkiller's dual with Darth Phobos. There is a discrepancy about his Trail of Spirt. Some say the Trail of Spirt is the dual with the Sith Stalker, while others say it is the dual against his father. Some disagree that the dual against Kento Marek is the Trail of Spirt and claim that it is the Trail of Flesh instead. There are claims that defeating Jedi General Rahm Kota, defeating Jedi outcast Kazdan Paratus, and defeating Council member Shaak Ti is his Trail of Courage. Will anyone establish what his Jedi Trails are? ––Bron Hañda 05:06, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * According to various videos on YouTube, the duel against Kento is the Trial of Spirit. I don't think the downloadable Jedi Temple level actually has a "Trial of ..." name, and the "Trial of Flesh" sounds like fanon. Drewton  Era-old.png ( Drewton's Holocron ) 18:00, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Have you even glanced at the in game databank? It says the Kento duel is the Trial of Spirit, you can't argue with that. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 11:45, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * "The "Trial of Flesh" sounds like fanon." It's not.  I direct you to:  Darth Endis 11:52, 15 March 2009 (UTC) ta
 * No, the trial of the flesh is real. In the Clone wars (genndy tartokovsky) vlomue two, the jedi council is deciding to make Anakin a knight, and obiwan says that anakin suffered an enormous trial of the flesh at the hands of count dooku, presumably when dooku cut off his right arm. Trial of the flesh is canon--LastJedi1515 14:48, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

Image Fix
Okay, last time: I have just realized that this infobox image was one or two levels from his death. Someone should find an image of his final level image. I know it was decided, but a change for the better is a good change. — Excelsior,   The Flash  - ( Talk to me, talk to me, talk to me bay-bay! ) 02:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I wonder why having an image of him closer to his death is necessarily better. Since the image in the infobox now comes just a little earlier, I don't expect there to be much difference.  I think the decision should be based on which image of him looks "best".  Go ahead and collect a later image of him, but then put the current image and the proposed one up for a vote, head to head. --Lance E Sloan 11:24, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * He's actually using the exact same costume there as in the last level. Most of the ones from the last level more suitable for the infobox had the hood up and the ones that don't aren't great. Drewton  Era-old.png ( Drewton's Holocron ) 14:19, 15 March 2009 (UTC)

lightsaber
It says that the apprentice had Kota's lightsaber. Is this canon? I mean, do we have any higher source that proves this because the novel is the only source I can find. The games and the comic have him with a blue lightsaber: should we mention this? User:1705jallen

I believe Vader gave him Kota's lightsaber after reviving him after "killing" him in front of Palpatine since Starkiller's first lightsaber was apparently lost in space after he was thrown outside the Executor's window. He then modified the lightsaber to make it blue instead of green. IIRC, he used a crystal he found in his father's old hut or something... Don't quote me on that though. 74.60.54.217 06:28, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

You're right, he found his father's old crystal(s) in the hut, it says so in the novel. When Starkiller received Kota's lightsaber, it was depicted in the Empirical scene, at least on PSP. BTW, does someone have a pic of the "unrecognizable" lightsaber to post on the article? josh,the usernameless wookieepedian.
 * I see what you mean but in the PSP version, kota's saber and Galen's 2nd saber look completely different. To further muddle the issue Kota has a new blue lightsaber on next gen versions

It looks like Luasarts were going to include this, with the strange blue crystal on Kashyyk and all that. One thing that bothers me though: if Vader suspected that the Rebels knew Kota, would he have given Marek something that would directly link him with the fight on the station? That may be why Lucasarts took that out at the last minute and gave him a blue crystal on Empirical. User talk:1705jallen
 * Keep in mind, Starkiller told Vader Kota was dead. We don't get Vader's mind on the matter, so we don't know if he merely believed the report, knew better but let it slide for future reference, or suspected anything that would suggest Kota would ever re-surface. Kota certainly did little to create any further disturbances in the Force after his encounter with Starkiller; no reason for him to show up on the "Force radar."--Anonyhm 01:26, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

At least, can someone replace the pic of galen on the empirical using a blue with lightsaber with a green lightsaber. I'd do it myself, but i don't have the camera.--LastJedi1515 22:37, November 2, 2009 (UTC)

I think this is gonna be like with Darth Bane and now Jaden Korr in that the written text says one thing about their lightsabers but all the images show something different. Unless Starkiller gave Kota's saber a blue crystal which is all that defies the novel. And I suppose that if Kota's saber was stripped of its leather and casing it would look just like the saber from the game. I suppose that would work. User:1705jallen

"defeating palpatine?
Should it really say starkiller defeated palpation when in truth palpatine nvr really fought back against him because he wanted an apprentice? Even starkiller somewhat acknoledged he didnt really beat sidious when he said "hes stronger than you know" (meaning sidious). Only when starkiller refused to turn did sidious decide to finish him off and use his real power, allowing him to electricute kota and force starkiller to do little more than block his attack.
 * Starkiller did defeat palpatine, but he choose not to kill him. Palpatine was at starkiller's mercy and starkiller was going to kill him so he couldn't conntinue his evil deeds (hint the "hes stronger than you know"). After defeating palpatine, starkiller had to reengage in his battle with palpatine. --Bron Hañda 00:30, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If it is to be said that Galen beat Darth Sidious at all, then he only "beat" him in the same way that Mace Windu did - a sudden attack with brute physical force that briefly caught him off-guard, not a display of superior skill, power, or technique in any respect. Mace kicked Sidney in the face, and Galen force-pushed him a couple of times (in the novel he throws a bunch of debris at him, but the effect is the same), briefly stunning him in both cases. Both of those are hardly a display of incredible fighting prowess or raw Force power; In both cases, Sidious played his well-known "Oh-I'm-too-weak-I'm-doomed-whatever-shall-I-do" act before wiping the floor with his would-be assailant. Galen is not demonstrated or implied to be at all on par with Sidney's power. If Galen was, then he wouldn't have been killed by Sidious. -MPK 02:00, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

I think Galen actually beat Sidious to some degree, Mace as well. They each had several duels against Sidious, and won, not by a single attack....the question is, if Sidious was actually serious. I don't think so..--32.179.225.126 20:27, 12 June 2009 (UTC) Darth Rhett


 * In the game, Galen clearly beats Palpatine. Palpatine was probably ready to move out of Starkillers attack should he have chose to kill him, he just wanted Galen to embrace the darkside. But when he didn't Galen was able to hold back against Sidious' force lightning (though the book and game differ slightly), in the game he clearly pushes back against Sidious' power and see's Vader coming with more stormtroopers to get the Rebels, so he lets himself 'die' to give the Rebels time, so i'm pretty sure he is far superior to Palpatine. Tyranitar 15:54, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Sith?
Was he really truly a Sith apprentice? --Bold Clone 17:13, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Darth Vader was THE contemporary Sith apprentice, owing to the Rule of Two. Vader granted him apprenticeship, but the logistics of Bane's Rule of Two point to him never truly reaching Sith status. Thus to become a Sith (master or apprentice), Galen would have had to kill either Vader or Sidious. He was more of an assassin; though trained heavily in the Dark side of the Force, I don't recall evidence of him learning any Sith specific discipline, aside from being the exploit of Sith agenda.--Anonyhm 18:51, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

This needs addressing as several articles on this site list him as a Sith and some do not. It's my opinion he is not a true Sith but it definitely needs a decision ShiftyPoolton 02:47, 26 Nov 2009 (GMT)
 * I agree. From what I know, Galen wasn't a Sith, but more like a Dark Jedi. He was trained in the Dark Side, but being a Sith would have broken the Rule of Two. --DKong 04:10, November 26, 2009 (UTC)

Which lightsaber is real?
Unless I'm losing my mind, in the PS3/360 version of the game, the lightsaber that Vader gives Starkiller on the Empirical is a blue-bladed weapon, presumably his father's. In the novelization, it is described as being green, the one that he took from Kota earlier. Which version is correct? -MPK 23:58, 15 May 2009 (UTC)
 * When in doubt, the novel is the definitively canon source. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Talk page ) 18:40, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

but what about the graphic novel? that agrees with the game and that's a canon source. User:1705jallen
 * Should the novel be the canon source in this matter? Because, in the game, he clearly don't uses Kota's lightsaber. I mean, in the ROTJ novel, Luke reflects Papatine's lightning at first, but then he can't hold it, but in the film he doesn't reflect it, and that's the canon source, shouldn't the game be the major canon source? Grand Master Luke 11:34, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * I am inclined to agree. Please correct me if I misunderstand, but the novelizations for the movies (since you brought it up) and, in this particular case, TFU are based on the movies and the game vice the other way around, right? I know that is true for TFU. Wouldn't the game be the "higher canon" source, then, since the book is based on the game? I understand the general idea of deferring to the novel as it is less dynamic than the game, making its information more solid -- that makes sense -- but looking at the canon rules and how these stories are related (game vs. novelization), what I'm think can only be derived; it isn't very well spelled out for this case! However, if the novel is the "higher canon", then per the guidelines, the novel takes precedence where the game overlaps; the lightsaber should be Kota's green blade. In the Wii version, this is not an issue because the player is allowed to customize the blade, including it's color, and the blade given by Vader doesn't even come up, making this issue more of player-determined conjecture, for which case I would certainly defer to the novel. You say the blue blade is "presumably" his father's, unless you have more reasoning, why not defer to a source less dynamic? Just trying to bring out both pov's--Anonyhm 02:40, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * While the lightsaber can be customized, the cutscenes can't! And in the cutscens he see Galen using the blue blade as soon as he is in the Empirical, and you can also see that the hilt isn't the one from Kota, and that Kota actually has his lightsaber, this one seen when he tries to attack Vader. So correct me if I'm wrong. Grand Master Luke 10:08, September 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * I may have the shorter end of the stick owning a Wii and not a PS3/360, but all of the cut scenes on my Wii console use whatever lightsaber I customize, and I don't recall Vader giving him the new lightsaber like he did in the novel (I'm trying to play thru it again on a new slate to double check; almost there). I'll let you know when I get there.--Anonyhm 03:43, September 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * The Wii cut scene does not include a lightsaber at all (unless it's subtly handed off or something and I missed it; I'll have to watch it again to make sure)! Still bothers me that the only conflict depicted is the Science vessel directed into the sun (oh, well...); the novel told so much more! Until I try to see that Wii cut scene again, I'm in favor of sticking with the novel on this one.--Anonyhm 01:11, September 7, 2009 (UTC)

Clone Wars animated costume (and the others)
Is there any pictures of these costumes out there? (I'm talking about the ones that we have to describe because we don't show any pictures.) I'm not saying we need to include every one, but are there any? I'd be interestedin seeing them.

TheKid 00:04, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Palpatine being "Relatively Unharmed"
I believe there is really no basis as to if Palpatine was really harmed or not. The final blast seemed to have no effect on Vader as well, although we know it did. I think that part should be changed, as we have no proof on any sort of damage sustained.--166.214.139.70 06:11, 17 June 2009 (UTC)guest

Robes Question
So I've noticed that someone has gone to the trouble of identifying the sabers worn on Marek's Sith Stalker armor. That being noted, has anyone been able to ID the sabers he wears on the Ceremonial robes that Kota posthumously gives him in the Light Side ending? There seems to be one standard and one saberstaff hilt on his right side in the PS3/XBox version that has so far gone unmentioned. Heck, no mention of these robes whatsoever that I've seen.--208.104.104.188 05:09, 1 September 2009 (UTC) The sabers on his Sith armor are: half of darth mauls,vader's,Kota's, part of Kazdan Paratus's,his old saber, and his new Sith blade. I'm pretty sure the sabers on the Ceremonial Jedi robes are Kazdan Paratus' and either his own or Kota's. Sev, 9:28, 3-08-10

Power
Alright guys this is something that has plagued me ever since I heard the quote Haden Blackman gave on Spike. And that is that Marek had the potential to be the most powerful person to ever exist, now if thats true that would make his potential surpass Anakin's/Vader's before he was put in ths suit. but George Lucas said that the chosen was was the one that had the potential to be the most powerful ever. so I'm confused. jedi_master425 Sept. 12, 2009
 * I think Haden was generalizing, like presenting an idea for a premise for the character to help him describe the magnitude of intensity within the character within the game, not directly/officially meaning to elevate him above "The Chosen One" status. I'm sure George's precedent still stands in the face of Blackman's conjecture. Furthermore, it's possible several SW characters had/have such "potential," and the EU has several who have been legendarily powerful. Potential is just that: potential. That's my take; take it for what its worth!--Anonyhm 18:56, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks I just wanted to see if someone else thought what I did. I put him the upper top ten after the Skywalkers. jedi_master425 Sept. 13, 2009

Simplification
It seems to me that several portions of this article are essentially explicit play-by-play regurgitation of large portions of whatever source (game, novel, etc.). While I value the story, does the information need to be so explicit, for example, the entire initial meeting between Galen and Juno is practically spelled out/restated whereas the same story/information could be included without quite so much detail, which the links most certainly cover (that's why the links, right?). Other areas of this article seem similar, and I feel if they were simplified, it would make for a better and more relevant read. Am I missing the point of wikia here, or does anyone else feel similarly? I started to make some changes accordingly, but I don't want to lose anything, or oversimplify either. Whaddya guys think?--Anonyhm 03:35, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Star Destroyer Takedown
As the article currently stands, it states that Galen could yank down a Star Destroyer. Pardon me, but doesn't the novel trump the game, meaning that he could only really just barely stop it from crushing him after it had already fallen and had been skidding on the ground, rather than yanking it out of the sky?

Because in the novel, it was ALREADY falling- he just kept it from crushing him, and he nearly passed out from the effort. Dewback rancher 23:48, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Emperical Level
What's that thing on Galen's arm in the Emperical Level? Is it a cybernetic implant? jedi_master425

I got the impression it was something the droids would use when injecting him with whatever stuff they needed to, though I don't think there is a source for it. Tyranitar 15:57, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure, but if you watch in the cutscene before the level, the piece seems to keep his arm in place. I think it may have been to keep him contained. --DKong 00:02, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

The Unknown Lightsaber on the Sith Stalker's belt is...
The top part of Kazdan Paratus' lightsaber staff.

1st Apperance
Isn't Soulcalibur IV his first appearance, or do you only count the one that is most canon.
 * Wouldn't the first appearance generally refer to the first time the character came into exhistance? Because in that case TFU would have to be the first, even if its release date was later it was the first created thing with Galen in it.  Ryan Fett  ( For Mandalore! )[[Image:JaingHead.svg|20px]] 05:10, October 3, 2009 (UTC)
 * No. The first appearance is the first comic-book, video-game, novel, etc to be published featuring Marek. However, the appearance list should be ordered chronologically from an in-universe point of view. Luke Skywalker first appeared in Star Wars: A New Hope (1977), although in-universe he "came into existence" (was born) in Revenge of the Sith (2005). So, the appearance list would be: "(...), Revenge of the Sith, (...), A New Hope (first appearance), (...)" --Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:43, October 5, 2009 (UTC)

Soul Calibur 4
Should we add a section of his Soulcalibur 4 appearance? I know this is non-canon, but it is still a major appearance of Galen. Currently the only mention is under the Appearances list, with no further information. Some input here please. DKong 18:31, October 8, 2009 (UTC)

what is that creature in the trailer of TFU 2?


 * We don't know yet, but now it is called an unidentified rancor tossing creature--Thoggnee 03:03, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Infobox
There is nothing wrong with the new image. It is a HD screenshot of at least equal quality to the current image. It is more in line with the MOS in that it is the most recent IU image of the character. "It just doesn't look good in the infobox" doesn't cut it for reasoning, without valid justification, for removing the more current image from the infobox. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 17:12, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * It is not the quality of the image itself, but rather the quality of the shot - it is dark, his face is barely lit, the facial features are obscured. Also, where exactly in WP:MOS or WP:LG does it require for the infobox picture to be the most recent image? That way we would have to snap shots of people immediately before their deaths for every movie, cartoon and game character.  Mauser  Comlink 17:18, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Hold on, searching the CT archives. But there was a community decision some time ago, that, using common sense of course, the lasted IU image of a character (that is of good quality of course) is preferred for the infobox. Now in the the case of characters who have live action roles as well as EU appearances, the latest live-action is used, as is the case with Boba Fett, Han Solo, Luke, Leia, etc. And searching, I can't find official policy. But it's one of the understood ways of doing things here. And example of the "policy" enacted. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 17:38, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * I like the first. As Mauser said, it's got better lighting and definition. The second is certainly more dramatic, but a character info box is one of the few places I that I feel can be worsened by a dramatic image. SinisterSamurai 17:37, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * I happen to agree with Mauser. The face it barely lit and nowhere in our image policy does it say it must be the most recent. Our infobox images are judged on a case by case basis. Using the argument of most recent is a rather poor one to be using. It maybe the preferred way but no where does it say it is required in any situation. I'm sure we'll get a new one when the game actually does come out but right now we don't have a good enough shot. It's not like theres any difference in appearance between the two. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png (Talk) 17:41, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 17:45, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Another issue to think about is Canon. The first image is taken from in-game, and as such is canon. The second and third are taken from a trailer, and will likely be somewhat inconsistent with canon once TFU II is released. I don't see any reason to replace a canon image with an ambig-canon image unless there is considerable aesthetic improvement. SinisterSamurai 18:17, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Survival
How in the world did he go from being to dead to surviving?

It is unknown for now, perhaps vader revived him to really use him as his apprentice? Darth Void 18:17, December 20, 2009 (UTC)

There is no confirmation that he is actually alive, we don't know if the force unleashed 2 trailer takes place in reality or not, it could be a dream or vision or just Galen stuck in limbo. Until we know for sure that Galen Marek is definitely alive, we shouldn't say he is. Tyranitar 16:03, December 22, 2009 (UTC)


 * We know the events of Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II take place after the first game(not a prequel), because he hears his last conversation with Juno Eclipse. Since we never saw his corpse, it is entirely possible he is alive.  If Darth Vader and Darth Sidious could survive the explosive blast, then why couldn't Starkiller?  I agree we shouldn't say he is "definitely alive", but I also think we shouldn't say he is "definitely dead". --Bron Hañda 03:04, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Vader and Palpatine survived the blast, yes. And true, he would probably be able to as well, if he hadn't been the cause of the blast. He released himself to the Force and willingly let out all of his soul. That is what has been canonicially established. The best solution to the confusion I can come up with is that it is a clone in the second game. Speculation, perhaps, but that makes sense if he truly allowed himself to become one with the Force. In any case, we will not know until the sequel is released.


 * He won't be a clone. You can pretty much garantee that. Besides, NO SPECULATION, this is a talk page :D Tyranitar 17:44, January 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * How can that be guaranteed? It is pretty clear the actual Galen Marek became one with the Force. How else would he be depicted further? It is just a possible suggestion, albeit the most plausible one I have seen yet. If not, then perhaps this really doesn't take place in reality.


 * The clone idea seems very unlikely, for all we know someone could have pulled him back into life before his spirit moved on or he's stuck in limbo, but the clone idea isn't very original. Guess we'll know when they release more info Tyranitar 14:03, January 9, 2010 (UTC)


 * The clone idea may not be as unlikely as you think. I personally have only played the Wii version of the game and read the novel, but in the novel it says that Galen had scars on the back of his hands from the rough training Vader put him through. However, after Vader's betrayal Galen wakes up six months later on the Empirical without the scars. It would have been unheard of for Vader to have a cloning technology on the Empirical. Galen my even have been a test subject to see if this technique could make Vader whole again. I do agree that until we get more information we won't know for sure but that doesn't mean that the article shouldn't have a section about his possible survival with what we do know. --JMasterWor 15:45, January 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * This talk page is not for a discussion about Galen Marek's survival. It is a place for discussing improvements to the article, as the talkheader clearly states. Thank you. Xd1358  Talk 16:35, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the article needs to avoid definites, since there is some uncertainty about his death. --Bron Hañda 22:58, January 19, 2010 (UTC)

"Vader"
Some other small point to consider: the website image has changed to have Vader standing behind Starkiller, binding him in shackles. At least we can confirm that Vader will be involved in a greater manner than speculated. User talk:1705jallen

Question
Was it always Vader's intention to simply use him as a means to root out the Empire's enemies, or was he really trying to keep his existence a secret from Palpatine at first?


 * I think it was a joint effort all the way through, I don't know if there is a source for this but I think Palpatine finding out mid-way through the whole tale was part of the deception. Tyranitar 22:33, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Date Of Birth
I did some math on my own and came down to 12 BBY to be Galen's B-Day. This would make sense because he would have been 2 when Vader found him in 18 BBY. What do you all think? T-888 03:55, January 11, 2010 (UTC) I was just tring to suggest a b-day and yeah my math was off it should habe been 20 BBY T-888 16:36, January 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought he might have been a little bit older, personally, and your math is off: if Vader found him in 18 BBY and he was 2, his b-day would have been in 20 BBY, unless I just don't understand timing GFFA-wise --Anonyhm 18:29, January 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * This talk page is not for speculating when Marek was born. Read the talkheader, please. Xd1358  Talk 18:33, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Resurrection
While he was being resurrected did Vader put any cybernetics in him? And if so what are they and should they be listed? jedi_master425

Vision
In the vision he had in the hut on Kashyykk was luke the young jedi he was fighting?