Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Jaden Korr (second nomination)

Jaden Korr

 * Nominated by: QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 13:28, March 10, 2018 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Unfortunately, I wasn't able to see the article through the nomination process the last time. However, I have put a lot of work into this and would really like to try nominating it again. I have made my best effort to address the outstanding objections from the last nom, as well as making overall adjustments to the article, mostly having to do with paragraph size.

Infobox / intro

 * Looking at the BTS and his appearance in Jedi Academy, I'm thinking that it would be best to leave off the circa 1 ABY birth date, unless there is more information backing this estimate up. From what is in the reference, all we have is one guy thinking that he appears to be about 40 in 41 ABY. Just because he appears to be forty, that doesn't mean that he actually is close to that age. He could be considerably older and just look younger. I'd still mention the age he appears in the P&T, but I don't think it is enough to specify a birth date from.
 * Age removed from infobox and bio. P&T slightly tweaked. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)

Biography - Disciples of Ragnos crisis

 * Does the game identify the Falcon as a YT-1300 freighter or say that it was famous?
 * Sources provided for both. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)
 * Based on recent review of the R5 droid, does the game call the droid an R5 unit? If not, it will need additional sourcing.
 * Yes, it specifically calls it an "R5 droid." QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)
 * Does the game identify his fighter as a Z-95 Headhunter?
 * The game files for the ship refer to it as a Z-95. Also there exists a cheat code "spawn Z-95" that spawns Jaden's ship. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)
 * Do we know that the Blenjeel merchant ship was attacked by an Interdictor-class Star Destroyer. The article for the attack calls it an Immobilizer 418 cruiser, and the page for the Star Detroyer does not have Jedi Academy as an appearance.
 * The game refers to it as an "Interdictor cruiser." I'm not that great with starship designations, so I'm unsure which one it refers to. Any ideas? QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)
 * Just taking a quick look through the sources for the two ships, I don't see the Star Destroyer referred to as a cruiser (which is generally a smaller class of vessel based on the Anaxes War College System). Both The New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels and Starships of the Galaxy (Saga Edition) refer to the Immobilizer 418 as an Interdictor cruiser and other sources call it a Interdictor-class cruiser. I think it is pretty safe to say that Interdictor cruiser refers to the Immobilizer 418.-- Exiled Jedi  ( talk ) 17:58, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, thanks for the heads-up. Ref note added. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 13:20, October 21, 2018 (UTC)
 * Does the game provide the full name for the T-65 X-wing starfighter?
 * No. Ref added. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 16:38, October 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * "The battle was challenging for Korr" How does the game present this information?
 * Mostly just game mechanics, nothing really IU that states so. Reworded. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 16:38, October 13, 2018 (UTC)
 * Is the name "Dreadnaught-class heavy cruiser" used by the game?
 * It's called an "Imperial dreadnaught" in the game. I've constructed an external ref; take a look if it works. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)
 * Does the game identify the ship at Korriban as an Imperial II-class Star Destroyer. Sourcing something as an Imperial II-class ship is a little more difficult unless the source specifies it.
 * No, it doesn't. Ref added. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 16:38, October 13, 2018 (UTC)

Personality and Traits

 * "He preferred to keep his hair short, but he had let his facial hair grow out by 41 ABY, and he styled it in a neatly trimmed goatee," As you sourced the 41 BBY date to another reference in the biography, I am assuming the same needs to be done here as well.
 * Addressed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)
 * "Korr was struggling with doubt regarding his role in the Force." I am a little confused here, what does the image under eternal thinker have to do with this phrase?
 * I was struggling to find any relevant images to illustrate that section to be honest. The idea was that the picture was a symbol of the Force, and Jaden struggled with finding his role in the Force&hellip;yeah, whatever. Removed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)
 * Under Other talents you have two straight references to Crosscurrent. Is one of them supposed to be something else or is it just a duplicate?
 * Should be fixed now. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)

Equipment

 * Under this section you source 41 ABY to Crosscurrent which is inconsistent with how you sourced it earlier.
 * Addressed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)

BTS - Character development

 * "Korr was originally going to be called Atton Rand..." For this one, do we know that Atton Rand was going to be the name of the main character? He could have been Rosh Penin or somebody else unless we have something more than the Easter egg quote to back that up.
 * Removed that part and the quote. There's no actual official word on this, AFAIK. Only widespread fan assumption that he meant Jaden. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)
 * Why is reference 11 (it appears to be dating the Battle of Hoth) used as a source in the second paragraph of the Character development section.
 * Fixed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)
 * For the second paragraph of the character development section, I don't believe the sources provided are sufficient to back up that entire paragraph.
 * I fail to see the issue here. Are you talking about the first part of the paragraph? Which discusses how he went unreferenced? Well, how do you source someone not appearing somewhere? QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)
 * I think I misread what year the Fury novel was released and thought there were additional reference books that he appeared in before he was referenced.
 * Does the Crosscurrent novel mention a January 26, 2010 release date? I suspect that this will need additional referencing.
 * Done. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 16:38, October 13, 2018 (UTC)

BTS - Character customization and appearance

 * "The first information on Korr's identity came from the 2005 reference book The New Essential Chronology, which addressed Korr as a "he," invalidating all female options in the game." I don't think you want to have the Battle of Hoth date to reference this.
 * Fixed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)
 * "Although it did not necessarily specify his species, it excluded Rodian and Kel Dor from consideration, as those species are naturally hairless, only leaving Human as a possibility." Unless the novel mentions that those species do not have hair, you will need to source that to something else.
 * Source added. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)
 * "such as the goatee that Korr wore as of 41 ABY" Is the 41 ABY date presented directly in the actual novel outside of any Del Rey timelines? If not, you will need to provided additional referencing.
 * Done. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)

BTS - Jedi Academy alternative ending

 * "confirmed to be proper in future Legends material" This needs to be sourced to something other than the game.
 * Addressed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)

BTS - Errors and contradictions

 * "although Riptide does establish that Korr's appearances post-41 ABY are in the Iteration's body" Is the 41 ABY date presented directly in the actual novel outside of any Del Rey timelines? If not, you will need to provided additional referencing.
 * Addressed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)
 * "This is incorrect, as the character does indeed appear in the latter novel." This cannot be sourced to the ERC.
 * Addressed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)
 * There is some sort of error with reference 51.
 * Fixed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)
 * "Through Khedryn Faal's estimation, Crosscurrent gives Korr's approximate age during the events of the novel as forty years old, which would put him at thirteen years old during the events of Jedi Academy, set in 14 ABY." Per what I said above, I don't think this an inconsistency as much as it is an incorrect estimation of his age.
 * Removed that part. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)
 * "In Crosscurrent, Korr laments distancing himself from Valin Horn, indicating some sort of relationship between the two. After the publication of the novel, when asked what their relationship was, Kemp said that he could not reveal it yet." I don't think the referenced forum post is the correct one as I do not see any mention of Valin Horn.
 * Correct post cited now. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)
 * "Riptide states that Korr entered the Jedi Praxeum nine years after the death of Emperor Palpatine, which occurred in 4 ABY, according to The New Essential Chronology." I would reference the first part of this sentence to Crosscurrent and then change then move the source into a reference. There really isn't any reason to include the source in the paragraph itself.
 * Addressed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)
 * "However, the events of the Jedi Academy video game are actually dated to to 14 ABY, ten years after the Emperor's death, by The New Essential Chronology." This can't be sourced to Crosscurrent.
 * Addressed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)

BTS - Ambiguous information

 * "Paul S. Kemp has stated that he intended Zeerid Korr, a character from The Old Republic: Deceived, his other novel set thousands of years before the events of Jedi Academy, to have been an ancestor of Jaden, however no Legends source confirmed that the two were indeed related." This cannot all be sourced to the tweet.
 * Addressed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)
 * "Several times in Riptide, and even in certain parts of Crosscurrent before that, Kemp seemingly hints at the possibility of Korr himself being a part of Thrawn's cloning program, planted on Coruscant as a sleeper agent in his youth." As you reference Riptide and Crosscurrent, you cannot just source the entire sentence to Crosscurrent.
 * Addressed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 08:56, October 12, 2018 (UTC)

BTS - Canceled content

 * I'm not really seeing the point of including the Legends image in the BTS.
 * Removed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:27, October 11, 2018 (UTC)
 * Could you add a quote to the Canceled content section? There appears to be one in the referenced interview that you can use.
 * Added. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 08:56, October 12, 2018 (UTC)
 * I will give the article another pass once you look through these.-- Exiled Jedi  ( talk ) 00:36, October 11, 2018 (UTC)

Wave 2

 * Under Answering a distress call: The CSWE entry for Blenjeel mentions Korr's mission to the planet. Please adjust the game mechanics templates / BTS as needed.
 * Addressed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:37, October 21, 2018 (UTC)
 * Under Hostage rescue: The CSWE entry for Nar Kreeta mentions Korr rescuing the elders on Nar Kreeta. Please adjust the game mechanics templates / BTS as needed.
 * Addressed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:37, October 21, 2018 (UTC)
 * Under Apprehending Lannik Racto: The CSWE entry for Rax Joris references Korr's capture, which means that Korr went to Dosunn. Please adjust the game mechanics templates / BTS as needed.
 * Addressed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:37, October 21, 2018 (UTC)
 * Based on the Blenjeel, Nar Kreeta and Rax Joris entries, could you check to see if any likely related entries reference Korr going to any of the planets? You might be able to confirm more missions as official.
 * In addition to those, I've only been able to confirm the capture of Lannik Racto, based on his respective entry. None of the other optional missions are referenced in the CSWE, as far as I can tell. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:37, October 21, 2018 (UTC)
 * Under The fallen apprentice: "During the fight, the twins kept empowering Penin with life energy and augmenting his dark side abilities." Empowering Penin with life energy sounds a little too much like game mechanics. Does this mean that they were healing him? This could use to the be reworded.
 * Done. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 13:42, October 22, 2018 (UTC)
 * Under Tomb of the Barsen'thor: "learning the third and final of the combat styles practiced by the New Jedi Order." You provided another reference for learning the last two styles when you mentioned it in the Power and abilities section.
 * Fixed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 13:42, October 22, 2018 (UTC)
 * Under Battle at the Krabbis Inn: "As the Solos prepared to leave with the sick Jedi, Korr and Arelis agreed to stay behind and cover up the mess before the Galactic Alliance Security, claiming that the Solos were never there during the fight and lying that they did not know how the Mandalorian with the intact armor had died, in order to hide the fact that the psychotic Jedi possessed such powerful abilities." This sentence is too long and needs to be broken up.
 * Reworded. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 13:42, October 22, 2018 (UTC)
 * Under Moral Compass: "Korr always strove to uphold his orders, and he was ashamed that he had disobeyed Hamner's instructions by letting the Solos pass into the Council chambers, but he expected the couple to find a way to gain entrance anyway, and he felt that the Council deserved to listen to what they had to say." This sentence is too long and could use to be broken up.
 * Reworded. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 13:42, October 22, 2018 (UTC)
 * Under Telekinesis, Force speed and jump: "Throughout his lifetime, Korr may have also learned Force powers ranging from Force protection, Force healing, and Force absorb to Force drain, Force rage, and Force choke." I know these are possible powers that can be chosen in the game, but the way this is being included here is speculation. I would either reword this to be less speculative or move this information to the BTS.
 * I do not really see a way to word this in a way to both preserve the ambiguity and not make it sound speculative. Moved that part to the Bts. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 13:42, October 22, 2018 (UTC)
 * Under Dark side powers: "However, after reaching the end of his vision quest, Korr accepted what his Master had been trying to tell him all along, and he knew that he would never fall to the dark side as he knew it too well, feeling secure that he would now always have control of his powers and would never subconsciously summon lightning from his fingers." This sentence is a little long and rambling. Could you break it up / restructure it?
 * Split up into several sentences. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 13:42, October 22, 2018 (UTC)
 * Under Lightsaber mastery: "Korr was highly skilled with a lightsaber, echoing his master's swordsmanship. At first, he utilized the medium style but eventually mastered both the fast and strong styles." I think reference 40 is all that is needed to source the last part about the styles. Could you move reference 5 to just source the first sentence?
 * Done. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 13:42, October 22, 2018 (UTC)
 * Under A Skillful Combatant: You have most of this section sourced to both the game and the strategy guide. If there are specific portions that need to be sourced to the guide, can you source those specific parts to the guide and source the rest to the game?
 * Done. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 13:42, October 22, 2018 (UTC)
 * There is an "Exceptional Jedi Apprentice" in Jedi Academy (Star Wars Miniatures) that has a similar appearance to Jaden Korr. The piece gives him a yellow double-bladed lightsaber, which is kind of inconsistent. (It was a fairly common practice in the miniature game to have pieces that resembled characters that were named elsewhere.) Could you give a brief reference to think in the BTS? -- Exiled Jedi  ( talk ) 17:58, October 20, 2018 (UTC)
 * Added it into the "Ambiguous information" section. Seems like it fits best there. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 06:59, October 23, 2018 (UTC)

Wave 3

 * Does Riptide refer to Coruscant as the galactic capital?
 * No, it doesn't. Ref note added. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 13:31, November 17, 2018 (UTC)
 * "Purchasing a Flare-S swoop to make his way to the outpost" Does the source refer to it as a Flare-S swoop?
 * Same as above. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 13:31, November 17, 2018 (UTC)
 * "Korr's subsequent portrayal in Crosscurrent and Riptide reaffirmed the description outlined in Abyss, explicitly stating that Korr was a Human and expanding on more details of his appearance, such as the goatee that Korr wore as of 41 ABY, which Kemp wrote in as a homage to Katarn, signifying the fact that Korr leaned heavily on his Master's teachings during his crisis of faith." This sentence could use to be reworded / broken up.
 * Addressed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 13:31, November 17, 2018 (UTC)
 * "The other customizable feature in Star Wars: Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy is the possibility to choose the hilt variation and the blade color of Korr's lightsaber at the beginning of the game and the option to build a new saber, two new lightsabers or a double-bladed one after the mission to Vjun, with in-game dialogue stating that Korr's first lightsaber was destroyed on Vjun." This sentence could use to be reworded / broken up.
 * Addressed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 13:31, November 17, 2018 (UTC)
 * "In Crosscurrent, the clone Alpha casts a "knowing look" at Korr and calls him "one of us," referring to the Community of clones, and the early chapters of Riptide feature a scene set on the Sith world of Korriban, in which Sith Lord Darth Wyyrlok and the Umbaran Nyss Nenn see a recording of Korr's fight with Alpha on the frozen moon." This sentence could use to be restructured / broken up.-- Exiled Jedi  ( talk ) 23:39, November 10, 2018 (UTC)
 * Addressed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 13:31, November 17, 2018 (UTC)

Imp

 * You're missing backup link(s).  Imperators II (Talk) 13:55, October 28, 2018 (UTC)
 * Fixed. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 14:48, October 28, 2018 (UTC)