Talk:Anakin Skywalker/Archive15

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Something needs to be added to a section
Under "A Missing Friend", shouldn't it tell how Anakin managed to rescued Artoo? It tells how he got lost, but Artoo's rescue is missing. Artoo-Droid--A strong belief can be more powerful than any army. 23:14, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Okay, upon further investigation, I see that the "missing" part of the article is there. On the edit page. but for some reason it doesn't show up on the page itself. I tried to see if I could make it show up, but could not. Artoo-Droid--A strong belief can be more powerful than any army. 23:14, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Fixed. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 11:09, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Tan Skywalker
''In a Sunday Star Wars comic strip from 1979, Luke is mistakenly referred to by a computer as the son of "Tan Skywalker." This was later retconned to mean that Anakin was an exceptional pilot''

How does the exceptional pilot part relate to "Tan"? Am I missing something? Dr.Kermit ( The Doctor is in ) 23:04, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * See Tan. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 23:05, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ahh, now I understand. Thanks very much. I'm going to link it in the article. Dr.Kermit ( The Doctor is in ) 23:13, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

"Ani" nickname
Only 4 characters in the universe call him that: Padme, Shmi, Jar Jar, and C3PO. Is it really that significant? The article states: "nicknamed Ani by his loved ones" which kind of gives the wrong idea. Obi-Wan is a loved one, but he doesn't call Anakin that (and by the way, eww gross). I wouldn't consider Jar Jar a loved one of Anakin's, but Jar Jar still addresses him as Ani nonetheless. If we're keeping the nickname in the article, at least rephrase it to remove the "loved ones" reference. Only 2 out of a measly 4 people who call him that can be considered "loved ones".--Secretss 20:06, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Loved ones should be replaced by something like "many of his close friends and family members"; its a rather POV statement and does give the wrong impression. Obi-Wan is a "loved one", but not in the way they mean. Ani is still a nickname, though.  &mdash;Lucius malfoy7  Nute777.png ( Give it up for Lil' 'Soka Tano, ladies and gents! ) 20:10, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I have a suggestion: "nicknamed Ani by his mother". "Nicknamed" is a verb, the past tense act of giving someone/receiving a nickname. It is the truth that it was his mother, and only his mother, who nicknamed him Ani. The other 3 characters merely used the nickname, they didn't give the nickname to him. As long as we've established the existence of the nickname, I find it unnecessary to still keep in mention the people who use the nickname. I assert again, there are only so few people who use it compared to the population Anakin deals with.--Secretss 08:06, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I also would like to say that his childhood friends in TPM.  Mecenarylord Enter if you dare 16:38, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Touche. Still, aside from that, the line is still grammatically wrong as Anakin cannot have been given the nickname by all those people. The people who use a nickname aren't necessarily the ones who nicknamed the person. But if I'm really the only person anal about the English then forget it.--Secretss 09:42, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Changed to "his mother".  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 11:31, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Who put "Annie"? He's not a girl, people.--B-Boba Fett! He'll kill us all! 13:37, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

Galen's Defection
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April Fools' is over, guys. Fanfiction (or, rather, superimposing one's own bias and ideas upon events) isn't allowed on Wookieepedia.  Uli Talk 02:25, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Sith'ari? WRONG!
As I said before, the CSWE clearly claims that Darth Bane is the Sith'ari. Therefore, the Sith'ari section ought to be deleted here.

Can someone please delete all this Sith'ari information? DarthShap 13:33, 9 May 2009 (UTC)

But bane being the Sith'Ari is stupid. The sithari was supposed to destroy the sith and make them stronger... Bane simply created the rule of 2 in the aftermath of destruction caused by someone else. Vader however truly did destroy the sith and make them stronger. As the next power full sith groups that followed were more formidable eg. One Sith. But if CSWE says so it's true. I just think they had a moment of idiocy. (Also if Anakin was indeed the Sith'Ari, it would cinfirm his "Chosen One" Status even more. B/c he indeed would have brought balance to the force.)

But Bane did indeed destroy the Sith, very much on his own. At the end of Path of Destruction Bane was the only Sith alive. After that he took on his apprentice and enforced the Rule of Two. Second, Anakin nor Vader did not destroy the order of the Sith. Where in that do you see inconsistency or even idiocy? 11:18, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

The concept of the Sith'ari is purely speculation from a prophecy in the Expanded Universe. Any number of prominent Sith could be recognized as worthy of returning the balance of the Force to the Dark Side. If it's absolutely necessary, it can be stated that Anakin's mysterious birth and high midi-chlorian count can be considered signs of both the Jedi's propehecy of the "one who will bring balance to the Force" or the legend of the "Sith'ari." 8:45, 14 October 2009 (EST)

Picture
I beleive the main picture of Anakin on this page should be of his Darth persona as that is his most iconic look and 'that' is what everybody thinks of when they hear Anakin and/or Vader.

Who's with me !? 195.93.21.7 17:00, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * The current picture was picked via a community consensus. If you'd like to submit another image for the vote, please present it.  CC7567  (talk) 17:16, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Right, right.........how do i do that(sorry i have not been on this site for a long time..due to a ban). 195.93.21.7 18:02, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that the picture would be correct. This is the general image of Anakin.  He both started off looking like this, and ended looking like this (as a force ghost). Fluberbuton 00:14, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

See my proposal below.--Darthrai 15:57, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

The image should stay the same because this article is about Anakin Skywalker not Darth Vader though they were the same person.

Adherence to the Hero Cycle?
I don't know this "Hero Cycle" thing myself, but the section about it in this article seems suspect. Would the original theory really accept such interpretations? The events connected to the different parts are in apparently random order (so they certainly don't form any archetypical story structure), and the connections made often seem to be nothing more than random mental associations, eg. "crucifixion" - "crossed ligthsabers". I'm not in a position to fully evaluate this, but I suspect the whole section should be removed. Ville V. Kokko 11:40, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

"Would the original theory really accept such interpretations?" -Frankly, absolutely it would. There's not really such a thing as a Hero's Cycle story that follows the theory to the letter. Since the Hero's Cycle and Joseph Campbell's other writings were hugely influential to GL and the story of Star Wars, the section should stay.

Contradiction
Wait, In Clone Wars he is a Jedi Master, but part of his fall to the dark side in RotS is that, even if he was admitted in the Jedi High Council, he was not named Master. Know he was master because he had an Apprentice( Ashoka)
 * No, he was not a master yet. Jedi Knights didn't have to be masters to train Padawans; they were appointed to the rank of Master after they had successfully trained their first Padawan. Also, please remember to sign your posts with four tildes ( ~ ).  CC7567  (talk) 00:29, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Thanks.--Fedelede 19:15, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Anakin = Without Kin
This is conjecture based on an assumption that the character was meant to have been sired through a "virgin birth" prior to TPM, which is proven false. In early drafts of the movies the name Anakin was spelt differently and the character Anakin had differing personality traits & backgrounds, dispelling any notion that the "virgin birth" aspect had any part in the name's origin 64.180.93.200 23:12, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

Hair color
It says "Blonde; Dark blond". Shouldn't the last "blond" be changed to "blonde"?
 * Not unless Anakin had a sex change while I wasn't looking. Blond/blonde is one of the few gendered words in the English language. 24.18.252.57 20:01, 11 August 2009 (UTC)

Seperation
Having looked over the archived discussions for the separation of Anakin and Darth Vader into two different articles I feel that it is time to review it again. I bring this up now because when I wish to look something up about Darth Vader I have to search through the humongous Anakin Skywalker page. To continue what someone else had said on another page Darth Vader was mostly know as Darth Vader even after his death with few people calling him Anakin. I know this is going to make people a little mad but please can we keep it civil.
 * They're one character, and I frankly don't see the point of doing so just to make it easier for the reader. I don't mean to be rude, but Wookieepedia isn't always tailored exactly to what the reader wants.  CC7567  (talk) 02:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Sheik and Zelda are one character, but they have seperate pages at Zeldapedia. And I agree. A lot of people who view this but do not edit, surely want to see info about the villain when they type in "Darth Vader", not a bunch of info on his childhood. --Ingo the great 01:59, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * Please do not bring trends on other wikis here. What other wikis do has basically close to no holding or relevancy on Wookieepedia. If you want to try and change it with reasoning that hasn't already been shot down, take it to a CT.  CC7567  (talk) 02:11, November 4, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd support splitting the page again. Want to hold a vote? Darthrai 15:59, November 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm all for changing it. I agree with all his points. they could also change the Format seeing as he's such a major character. maybe the same page but split it into two Sections. Life as Anakin and life as Darth Vader. they may be the same person but they're two completely different characters and persona's Darth Caribou 07:17, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * No vote. This has been CTed, and the result was to merge them. End of discussion. Xd1358  Talk 07:23, January 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Although I see your point, since Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker are the same person, I do not think they should be split. &mdash;C Teng(talk) 04:50, February 5, 2010 (UTC)

Titles/Positions
.. Exactly why was my edit reverted? It's a real position that Vader really held. Antonstaen 20:17, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Anakin's Droid Arm
at the end of episode 2 he shows with a gold plated hand but in the middle of episode 3 it shows silver plated?
 * It was just the lighting. The parts that Anakin hadn't covered with fake "muscles" (plating to make the arm seem realistic when covered by, say, a sleeve or a glove) were still gold. The moonlight reflected on the metal, making the shine the same colour as the moonlight-- silver. Whistler 03:44, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Presumed Death
After 19 BBY Anakin was presumed dead by the rest of the surviving Jedi in the galaxy, I think that we should add that to the infobox. T-888
 * No.  CC7567  (talk) 21:34, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Why not, other articles include when a spirit was destroyed and when the body was killed why not a presumed death? T-888
 * Because those are actual deaths. A person can be presumed dead a thousand irrelevant times.  CC7567  (talk) 21:39, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * George Lucas has said that when Anakin became Darth Vader and swore himself the Empoeror's Apprentice that he died as Anakin Skywalker. He meant it as a figurtive and litteral death at the same time. T-888
 * For the purposes of this wiki, we define death as medical death; for example, if he had actually died in Episode III, he wouldn't have appeared as a cyborg in the remaining movies. — Milo Fett [Comlink] 21:59, October 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, well I thought I had something of use to add to the article, can it be added in the part about him falling to the dark side, if not then I will work on other things on the site. T-888

Chronological Issue with Vader on Kashyyyk
I want to postulate a theory that the events on Kashyyyk in Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader were simultaneous with the discovery of Galen Marek from the prologue to The Force Unleashed. It makes sense, seeing as it would place Starkiller's discovery before the public's knowledge of Darth Vader, and would allow for enough years to pass during the Expanded Universe for Starkiller to grow up.


 * Yes, that would make sense Vader would have enough time to find Starkiller and hide him away from the public until his plans were reveled. T-888
 * It's possible, but it's still fan speculation until an official source brings up the matter, and Wookieepedia doesn't use fan speculation. Also, please try to remember to sign your posts with four tildes, like this: ~ after each post on a talk page. — Milo Fett [Comlink] 01:30, October 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Okay, I do not know how to properly sign my posts — T-888 [Comlink] 01:30, October 15, 2009

A question Im not sure has been adressed
Did the public (general population and Imperial military) know that Vader was Anakin Skywalker? Or was Vader suppossed to be some enforcer that Palpatine just happened to find? And if according to Imperial Records Vader was just some dude then did imperial propaganda say that Anakin Skywalker was dead or something? --70.149.24.109 19:31, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * Most sources either state or heavily imply that no one knew about Anakin being Vader. As to where "Vader" came from as seen by other people, Star Wars: The Visual Dictionary states that he was resented by officers for outranking them, given his seeming lack of military experience. — Milo Fett [Comlink] 00:02, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

New infobox picture vote
For the infobox picture, why not hold a vote to use a composite picture consisting of two smaller side-by-side portraits of "normal" Anakin and cyborg Vader? While Anakin is a better overall representation of the character in terms of canon (and therefore, for purposes of Wookieepedia), Vader seems to be the more well-known and more relevant form in terms of popularity and cultural impact/relevance, and is also the character's original incarnation in real life. If we use both for the infobox image, everyone's happy.--Darthrai 16:02, November 6, 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe we tried that once, and it looked bad.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 01:35, November 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if I'm right, but I think it might still be able to work somehow since I haven't seen the old composite portrait (anyone got a link?). If it somehow can be done, then maybe using Official Pix ROTS stock photos of the two would be good, since there seem to be a lot of stock photos for that movie with similar lighting and backgrounds. I speculate that then it wouldn't look so bad because there wouldn't be much contrast between the two pictures. Perhaps the infobox image already there (or maybe a better representation of Anakin as a Jedi) and the Vader from [[Media:SidiousVaderPromo.JPG|this one]] could be used, and the portraits could be cut out, re-sized and put together using Photoshop. If not, there's lots of other stock photos out there, and I can find them easily on Google Images (I practically memorized all the poses...), but I'm not sure what Wookieepedia's standards for uploading images are. --Darthrai 05:22, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Affliction
Should we say his dying allegiances were to the Alliance to Restore the Republic? After all he did kill the emperor which ultimatly allowed the rebels to go on and win. A greater achievment and sacrifice would be hard to come by. --86.131.210.103 19:47, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Move to "Darth Vader"
I proposed a page move to "Darth Vader" on the consensus track, anyone interested?--Darthrai 21:59, November 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm afraid your CT is going to die quite painfully.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 16:42, November 8, 2009 (UTC)

Large Nose?
I know it's irrelevant but when superviser Gurdun is obsessing about his nose, Vader states "if your large nose continues to trouble you when you look in the mirror, perhaps I should remove my helmet.You Wouldn't be so concerned" Does this mean his nose is large? david prowse or hayden christensen don't have big noses. Is he just referring to his burns?
 * As you said, this is irrelevant. Please keep your opinions/comments about the subject away from article talk pages, as the talkheader clearly says. -- Xd1358  Talk 13:44, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * So where can I ask questions of this nature, might I ask? (Hunter 4-LOM 14:54, November 16, 2009 (UTC))
 * On a forum instead of using Wookieepedia as one.  CC7567  (talk) 17:16, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

Becoming a Knight
Does any one know what year Anakin became a Knight. I think it was 1 year into the clone wars but I could be wrong. Please help me. --"All mentors have a way of seeing more of our faults than we would like. It's the only way we grow." 01:42, November 23, 2009 (UTC)

Scene at the end of the clone wars movie
Alright I just finish watching the clone wars movie for the I don't know how many times. And I don't know if anyone else noticed this but I notice that when he was talking to and threatening Jabba he was looking at the droid for a translation. Did Dave and the other crew members for get that Anakin can speak Huttese? jedi_master425 November 22, 2009
 * Karen Traviss didn't.  CC7567  (talk) 02:05, November 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * I haven't watched the movie, but maybe Anakin didn't know perfect Huttese. Like, maybe that translator droid said a bunch of political stuff? C Teng talk 12:18, December 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * It may be that at times it's considered more polite to speak to the protocol droid instead of directly to the Hutt him or herself. I doubt a powerful Hutt enjoys being spoken to in his own language by a human who isn't part of his inner circle. -Anonymous, January 17, 2010.

Change picture?
Not creating a vote yet, but I'm wondering why we have a picture of young Anakin instead of old Anakin in a suit. Shouldn't the image be of what we was when he died (with the suit), not as a force ghost? Besides, if we do it as a force ghost, Anakin in the picture should be blue and transparent. C Teng talk 20:13, November 29, 2009 (UTC)


 * Would you also be in favor of changing Obi-Wan's main pic then ? --Black Jack Scarron 02:28, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I mean, I don't think we should have the pictures be as them as force ghosts at all. C Teng talk 20:55, November 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * In the end of the new remastered version of Return of the Jedi, Darth Vader's/Anakin's ghost comes back as the Jedi version of him. Perhaps we should use a picture from the time period just before he becomes Darth vader, like they did in the remastered version? Bradj47 18:24, December 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, I was thinking we do it with him in a suit. Because that's what he looked like when he died. C Teng talk 11:12, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Outbound Flight
The Outbound Flight section of this article says more about the Outbound Flight project itself than Anakin's relevance to it. Should this be changed? Bradj47 18:20, December 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Feel free to do that :) -- Xd1358  Talk 18:20, December 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * I'll do it as soon as I get home. :) Bradj47 18:25, December 7, 2009 (UTC)

What's with the templates??
Why are there templates telling us to edit the page when it has been locked? If you want us to edit the page, unlock it so we can. User:Commander Code-8 03:51 10 December 2009
 * It's because it has always been a constant vandalism target. The Doomed tag is particularly for those who actually have an interest in editing the article with good faith&mdash;which usually happen to be registered users who have proven their good intentions&mdash;instead of vandalizing the article.  CC7567  (talk) 06:04, December 10, 2009 (UTC)

Novels in the references
Some novel references have "novel" written behind them, and others have "novelization". Why shouldn't this be consistent? In the Appearances section, they all have "novel" (while all the junior novels have "junior novelization"). Also, "(video game)" is used in parentheses in the references section. - Nistra Talk 20:08, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * If the "(video game)" is being used, it shouldn't be; that isn't the proper name of the product. Also, the novel/novelization uses are interchangeable, though you're welcome to fix them for consistency.  CC7567  (talk) 21:40, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * Good. Fixed both issues. - Nistra Talk 22:34, December 19, 2009 (UTC)