Wookieepedia:AgriCorps/Log/2008 December 22

[18:05]		First, those which were put on probation at last meeting. [18:05]		http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Algae&diff=2264944&oldid=2263547 [18:05]		Kill [18:06]		No real progress. Kill [18:06]		Tope? [18:06]		Kill [18:06]		It's dead. [18:06]		Next up: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Arcona&oldid=2263550 [18:07]		GAcleanup is the newest revision. Kill. [18:07]		Kill [18:07]		ki [18:07]		And now: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Sarlacc&diff=2302102&oldid=2263556 [18:07]		Kill. [18:07]		k [18:07]		Kill it [18:07]		http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Species&diff=2280284&oldid=2263558 [18:08]	<Graestan>	Kill. TBH, this article will never, ever make GA or FA. [18:08]	<ChackJadson>	Kill [18:08]	<Toprawa>	k [18:08]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Ugor&oldid=2263561 [18:08]	<Graestan>	Kill. [18:08]	<Toprawa>	k [18:08]	<ChackJadson>	Kill [18:09]	<Graestan>	And next: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Verpine&diff=2299778&oldid=2263564 [18:09]	<Toprawa>	k [18:09]	<ChackJadson>	Kill [18:09]	<Graestan>	Kill. [18:10]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=IG-100_MagnaGuard&diff=2297142&oldid=2263568 [18:10]	<Toprawa>	k [18:10]	<Graestan>	Still a mess. Kill. [18:10]	<ChackJadson>	kill [18:10]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Variable_Geometry_Self-Propelled_Battle_Droid%2C_Mark_I&diff=2297147&oldid=2263573 [18:10]	<Graestan>	The final probed one. [18:11]	<ChackJadson>	kill [18:11]	<Toprawa>	k [18:11]	<Graestan>	Zero improvement. [18:11]	<Graestan>	Kill. [18:11]	<Graestan>	Hey, can we vote on new members before we continue? [18:11]	<ChackJadson>	Let's [18:12]	<Graestan>	I'll leave this portion of this stillborn meeting out of the log. :P [18:12]	<Graestan>	(seriously, this is like the US Senate meeting on Thanksgiving) [18:15]	-->|	GrandMoffTranner has joined #wookieepedia-agricorps [18:16]	<Graestan>	So no to that. [18:16]	<Graestan>	Welcome, Tranner. [18:16]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Glad to be here. [18:16]	<ChackJadson>	Congrats [18:16]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Thanks, Chack. [18:16]	<Graestan>	We're going to look at some articles and decide whether they should be put on probation or not now. Then we'll have a few discussion points. [18:17]	=-=	Mode #wookieepedia-agricorps +o GrandMoffTranner by Toprawa [18:17]	<Graestan>	Ah, yes. I'll give you access to the channel as well. [18:17]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Much thanks. [18:18]	<Graestan>	....after you register at some point with NickServ. ;) [18:18]	<Graestan>	All right, back to business. [18:18]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Balmorra_(Second_Galactic_Civil_War) [18:19]	<Graestan>	"A minor issue, but everything should be sourced if we're going to source that one item. Not officially a requirement, but perhaps someone would be willing to write a short little BTS. " [18:19]	<Toprawa>	well, the second one is a requirement [18:19]	<Toprawa>	and it hasn't been sourced properly [18:19]	<Toprawa>	p [18:20]	<ChackJadson>	Probe [18:20]	<Graestan>	I'll say put it on probation, then I'll probably fix it myself. It's really not much work. Greyman deployed again, else he'd have gotten it by now. [18:20]	<Graestan>	Tranner? [18:20]	<GrandMoffTranner>	I could probably help with it. [18:21]	<Graestan>	So, probation? [18:21]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Yes. [18:21]	<Graestan>	Alright, that one's probed. [18:21]	<Graestan>	Next up: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Rakata_Prime [18:21]	<Toprawa>	i dont even know what the deal is with this anymore [18:22]	<Toprawa>	i cant understand any of those two messages [18:22]	<ChackJadson>	Keep [18:22]	<Graestan>	It appears it needs the around the ref tags in the infobox, but that ain't nothin but a thang. [18:22]	<Graestan>	Keep. [18:22]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Looks good to me. Keep. [18:23]	<Toprawa>	k [18:23]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Duel_in_the_Chancellor%27s_Office [18:23]	<Graestan>	"This thing needs to be cleaned up. It seems like it's a casualty of time deterioration. We've got unsourced items, improper use of quotes, some BTS stuff that desperately needs sourcing, a Trivia section. " [18:23]	<Graestan>	Probation./ [18:23]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Definitely. [18:23]	<ChackJadson>	Probe [18:23]	<Toprawa>	p [18:24]	<Graestan>	And its sister article: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Duel_in_the_Senate_(Great_Jedi_Purge) [18:24]	<Graestan>	"Unsourced infobox, at least one BTS claim requiring a source. Honestly, I think this thing could be expanded a fair bit. " [18:24]	<Graestan>	Very short article. [18:24]	<ChackJadson>	Probe. I might do this one later (though I probably will forget about it) [18:24]	<Toprawa>	p [18:24]	<Graestan>	The Aftermath section is badly in need of expansion. [18:24]	<Graestan>	Probe. [18:24]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Probe. [18:25]	<Graestan>	Next up: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Duel_on_Roqoo_Depot [18:25]	<Graestan>	"Unsourced infobox " [18:25]	<ChackJadson>	Probe [18:25]	<Toprawa>	p [18:25]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Probe. [18:25]	<Graestan>	Probe. It's an easy fix, but I also see potential issues with context. [18:26]	<Graestan>	Definite issues with context.* [18:26]	<Graestan>	Next up: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mandalorian_Wars [18:26]	<Graestan>	WORLD'S MOST UNDERSTATED ARTICLE [18:27]	<Graestan>	"Seems like a Featured article for about half the way through, but then we drop into unsourced paragraphs and improvement tags " [18:27]	<ChackJadson>	Probe [18:27]	<Toprawa>	p [18:27]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Probe. [18:27]	<Graestan>	This article's a real mess. Probe. I wish we could insta-kill. [18:27]	<ChackJadson>	Seriously [18:27]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Massacre_at_Ossus [18:27]	<ChackJadson>	brb [18:28]	<ChackJadson>	Probe [18:28]	<Graestan>	"Unsourced items and fact tags across the infobox and article. " [18:28]	<Toprawa>	p [18:28]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Probe. [18:28]	<Graestan>	That fact tag is inappropriate. [18:28]	<Graestan>	Probe on the handful of unsourced items. Also an easy fix; this article isn't a mess at all. [18:29]	<Graestan>	Oh, Lord. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/New_Sith_Wars [18:29]	<Graestan>	Probe. [18:29]	<Toprawa>	p [18:29]	<Graestan>	"Nothing is sourced, horrid list sections. " [18:29]	<Graestan>	Horrible. [18:29]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Probe. [18:30]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Operation:_Knightfall [18:31]	<Graestan>	"Sourcing issues throughout, improper use of quotes, sectioning needs work. Could benefit from an all-around cleanup " [18:31]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Probe. [18:31]	<Toprawa>	arguable salvageable [18:31]	<Toprawa>	p [18:31]	<Toprawa>	y* [18:31]	<Graestan>	Probe. [18:31]	<ChackJadson>	Probe [18:31]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Skirmish_at_Carkoon [18:32]	<Graestan>	"In need of a good cleanup. Some sourcing items, some ugly list sections [18:32]	<Graestan>	* Removed the list and sourced everything. Will do a grammar cleanup a little later. Chack Jadson (Talk) 19:12, 20 December 2008 (UTC) " [18:32]	<Toprawa>	someone take out that quote out of the middle of the article [18:32]	<ChackJadson>	Am doing it now :P [18:32]	<Toprawa>	no BTS [18:32]	<ChackJadson>	Ah. Probe it, then, and I'll clean it up [18:32]	<Toprawa>	Apps and Sources list is seemingly skimpy [18:33]	<Graestan>	The article is far, far from comprehensive. Every Tale from Jabba's Palace short story should have a volume of info added. [18:33]	<Toprawa>	p [18:33]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Probe. [18:33]	<Graestan>	Probe. [18:33]	<ChackJadson>	Honestly, it is pretty poor [18:33]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Combined_Clans_Center_Building [18:33]	<Graestan>	Too short. [18:33]	<Toprawa>	p [18:33]	<ChackJadson>	Probe [18:33]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Indeed. Probe. [18:34]	<Graestan>	Probe. [18:34]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Exovar%27s_Emporium [18:34]	<Graestan>	This article could be great. [18:34]	<Graestan>	I like the prices section. [18:34]	<ChackJadson>	Probe [18:34]	<Graestan>	"I don't understand why some items are sourced and some aren't, if there's only one source in the list. Should be cleaned up. " [18:34]	<ChackJadson>	Though it's a technicality, almost [18:35]	<Graestan>	Needs quite a bit of cleanup. Probe. [18:35]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Probe. [18:35]	<Toprawa>	I'd like the sectioning to conform to our unofficial location standards [18:35]	<Toprawa>	p [18:35]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Fondor [18:35]	<ChackJadson>	Sigh. brb again. Probe everyhting else [18:35]	<Graestan>	alright [18:36]	<Graestan>	Fondor is missing so much information it's disgusting. [18:36]	<Toprawa>	p [18:36]	<Graestan>	Probe. [18:36]	<GrandMoffTranner>	I'm afraid I must leave as well. I vote probe for everything else. [18:36]	<--|	GrandMoffTranner has left #wookieepedia-agricorps [18:36]	<Graestan>	alright [18:36]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Korriban [18:37]	<Toprawa>	p [18:37]	<Graestan>	Probe. [18:37]	<ChackJadson>	Probe [18:37]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ryloth [18:37]	<Graestan>	Sourcing. [18:37]	<Graestan>	Probe. [18:37]	<Toprawa>	p [18:37]	<Graestan>	Should be a LONG FA. [18:38]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Taris [18:38]	<Graestan>	"Serious issues regarding the legitimacy of information in this article due to a recent FA nomination by a certain vandal who was blocked, as some Inqs may recall. " [18:39]	<Graestan>	Shaelas? [18:39]	<Toprawa>	I dont remember if I and Chack were Inqs at this point, but I think everyone remembers Shaelus's raping of this article [18:39]	<Toprawa>	Hydro said a lot of the GATORW sourcing is questionable [18:39]	<Graestan>	I have a conspiracy theory about Shaelas and Mitth. [18:39]	<Toprawa>	I just dont know how much I trust it [18:39]	<Toprawa>	And I'd like someone to confirm it [18:39]	<Graestan>	Probe. [18:39]	<Toprawa>	p [18:40]	<ChackJadson>	Probe [18:40]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Taris_dueling_ring [18:40]	<Graestan>	Probe. I'll talk to Fiolli about the spec. [18:40]	<Toprawa>	"The arena was most likely rebuilt, as a dueling was active on Taris during the Galactic Civil War. " [18:40]	<Toprawa>	Uhh, really? [18:41]	<Toprawa>	p [18:41]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Telos_IV [18:42]	<Graestan>	"Sourcing could be cleaned up in select body section, unsourced infobox [18:42]	<Graestan>	* Sourced most of the infobox and a bit of the body. I don't have access to other sources needed to finish it all.* Cylka * 03:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC) " [18:42]	<Graestan>	This is where I get somewhat annoyed. [18:42]	<Toprawa>	that's not even the issue to me [18:42]	<Graestan>	A lot of sourcing being added to bad articles doesn't make them OK. [18:42]	<Toprawa>	it doesnt conform to the LG [18:42]	<Toprawa>	no Description section, Inhabitants, etc. [18:42]	<Toprawa>	Locations [18:42]	<Graestan>	Ah yes. [18:43]	<Graestan>	Probe, then. [18:43]	<Toprawa>	p [18:43]	<Graestan>	The ambiguously (in)famous http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cloak_of_Deception [18:43]	<Toprawa>	p [18:43]	<Graestan>	"Yeah, this isn't in the meeting category, but the article's a list, it doesn't fit the MoS, and users are using it as a model for OOU GA's. This one needs to be killed fast. DC 22:31, 10 December 2008 (UTC) " [18:43]	<Graestan>	Should never have made it into the GA. [18:43]	<Graestan>	Probe. [18:44]	<Graestan>	Oh, yuck: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cloak_of_Deception#Cover_gallery [18:44]	<Graestan>	STAR WARS: BORRENLAS TODAS! TODAS! [18:44]	<Toprawa>	well, we agreed in a CT to allow galleries for that [18:44]	* Toprawa	shrugs [18:44]	<Graestan>	GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL [18:44]	<Toprawa>	not that I supported it, mind you [18:45]	<Graestan>	The sort of CT that would close in exactly two weeks with a 20-2 nowadays. [18:45]	<Graestan>	Alright, no more articles. [18:46]	<Graestan>	Chack, it's ironic you're the only other person here for this portion of the meeting. [18:46]	<ChackJadson>	lol [18:46]	<Graestan>	"It is becoming a concern that the post-meeting "paperwork" isn't getting done. Myself and Grae have been the only ones do it, and while I don't mean this as a bad thing, since we're happy to do it, we just don't always have the time to get everything done. As I write this, all the talkpage article milestone work for probed articles still isn't finished. I know it's a bitch, but this is... [18:46]	<Graestan>	...everyone's responsibility, and I would like to get everyone involved in this to be fair. I was hoping we could agree to designate someone "paperwork bitch" every meeting, and it becomes their responsibility that time around to archive and remove GAs, etc. Toprawa and Ralltiir 02:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC) " [18:46]	<Toprawa>	I find it disturbingly appropriate [18:46]	<Toprawa>	Any objections? [18:46]	<Graestan>	Not it! :P [18:46]	<ChackJadson>	Just one thing [18:47]	<ChackJadson>	Since almost no one else shows up, what are we going to do just assign users who don't come to the meetigns this duty once? [18:47]	<ChackJadson>	Get what I'm asking? [18:47]	<Graestan>	Well, Tope and I are always here. [18:48]	<Toprawa>	I wouldnt even mind using this as sort of a benign warning measure to inactive users [18:48]	<Toprawa>	You don't do anythign anyways, the least you can do is the paperwork [18:48]	<ChackJadson>	Yeah, just are we going to make someone like Xadun (who never comes) do this once? [18:48]	<Graestan>	I wouldn't mind snipping a name or two off the list for extreme site inactivity. [18:48]	<ChackJadson>	I agree Grae. [18:48]	<Toprawa>	Well, for the time being, I think Tranner should do this. [18:48]	<Graestan>	And forcibly conscripting Acky. [18:49]	<Toprawa>	I'm willing to give our two most serious inactive members the benefit of a few more meetings to start showing up [18:49]	<Graestan>	We have to show Tranner how. [18:49]	<ChackJadson>	Could we talk about Grae's idea now? Measures to remove them, at least in the future. Maybe after next meeting, if they haven't stepped up, kick them out [18:49]	<Graestan>	We just vote 'em out. It's nice and easy when it's just us three or us and DC. [18:49]	<Toprawa>	Next meeting will be the review of Character articles, most likely a humongous meeting [18:50]	<Toprawa>	I want to give us a chance to have the most members possible [18:50]	<ChackJadson>	Yeah, at that meeting do you want to, perhaps? [18:50]	<Toprawa>	So I can wait to kick people until after that [18:50]	<Graestan>	Assuming Tranner will become a fixture, too, though, considering he's pretty committed. [18:50]	<ChackJadson>	If they don't contribute more? [18:50]	<ChackJadson>	I could split the paperwork with Tranner for this meeting, BTW [18:50]	<Toprawa>	I can support that - begin looking at removal measures next meeting [18:50]	<Graestan>	I wouldn't mind doing the chatlog and results. [18:50]	<Graestan>	Just not keen on all the rigamarole afterwards, not tonight, at least. [18:51]	<Graestan>	I'd be willing to do it at the next meeting. [18:51]	<ChackJadson>	Shoot, gotta run off for a sec [18:51]	<Toprawa>	Chack must have explosive diarrhea [18:51]	<ChackJadson>	lol, sorry Nintendo Wii issues [18:52]	<ChackJadson>	My sister keeps trying to get me to fix it [18:53]	<Toprawa>	So what do we think? Begin considering removal measures next meeting? [18:53]	<Graestan>	Okiedokie. [18:53]	<Graestan>	Wii suck. [18:54]	<Toprawa>	I'll inform Tranner we're assigning him to learn the post-meeting paper work [18:54]	<Graestan>	heehee [18:54]	* Graestan	promises he'll be the bitch next time if the meet's on a Sat night or Sun afternoon [18:54]	<Graestan>	alright [18:54]	<Graestan>	Meeting adjourned? [18:54]	<Toprawa>	Yes