Wookieepedia:AC/Log/2019 April 28

20:59:30<@MasterFred> Ok, now, welcome to Meeting 115. 21:00:19<@MasterFred> First up, old articles 21:00:21<@MasterFred> This'll be fun :D 21:00:33<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Xi%27Dec/Legends 21:00:38<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8139748 21:00:44<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Xi%27Dec/Legends 21:00:45<@MasterFred> no change 21:00:47<@MasterFred> kill 21:00:49<@Toprawa> Kill 21:00:53<@Tommy-Macaroni> kill 21:00:54<@Ayrehead02> Kill 21:01:05<@ecks> kill 21:01:09<@MasterFred> Xi'Dec killed 21:01:19<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Muz 21:01:27<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8139750 21:01:32<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Muz 21:01:35<@MasterFred> no change 21:01:36<@MasterFred> kill 21:01:37<@Toprawa> Kill 21:01:38<@Tommy-Macaroni> kill 21:01:56<@ecks> kill 21:02:14<@Ayrehead02> kill 21:02:20<@MasterFred> Muz killed 21:02:30<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Royal_Chalcedony_Shield 21:02:33<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8139761 21:02:37<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Royal_Chalcedony_Shield 21:02:39<@MasterFred> no change 21:02:40<@Ayrehead02> kill 21:02:40<@MasterFred> kill 21:02:41<@Toprawa> Kill 21:02:42<@Tommy-Macaroni> kill 21:02:46<@ecks> kill 21:02:52<@MasterFred> Royal Chalcedony Shield killed 21:03:05<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Dorosii 21:03:09<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8139765 21:03:13<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Dorosii 21:03:14<@MasterFred> no change 21:03:15<@Tommy-Macaroni> kill 21:03:15<@MasterFred> kill 21:03:16<@Ayrehead02> kill 21:03:25<@Toprawa> Kill 21:03:55<@MasterFred> ecks? 21:04:00<@ecks> kill 21:04:00<@ecks> sorry 21:04:03<@MasterFred> no worries 21:04:06<@MasterFred> Dorosii killed 21:04:19<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Plevitz_Essential_Guide_to_Species 21:04:22<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8139771 21:04:26<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Plevitz_Essential_Guide_to_Species 21:04:28<@MasterFred> no change 21:04:29<@MasterFred> kill 21:04:30<@Toprawa> Kill 21:04:32<@Tommy-Macaroni> kill 21:04:36<@Ayrehead02> kill 21:04:41<@ecks> kill 21:04:43<@MasterFred> Plevitz Essential Guide to Species killed 21:04:56<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/84-U_hunting_rifle 21:04:59<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8139773 21:05:03<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/84-U_hunting_rifle 21:05:04<@MasterFred> no change 21:05:07<@MasterFred> kill 21:05:09<@Tommy-Macaroni> kill 21:05:10<@Toprawa> Kill 21:05:13<@ecks> kill 21:05:14<@Ayrehead02> kill 21:05:20<@MasterFred> 84-U hunting rifle killed 21:05:33<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial_long-range_rocket_rifle 21:05:37<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8139776 21:05:40<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Imperial_long-range_rocket_rifle 21:05:43<@MasterFred> no change 21:05:44<@MasterFred> kill 21:05:44<@Ayrehead02> kill 21:05:46<@Tommy-Macaroni> kill 21:05:48<@ecks> kill 21:05:48<@Toprawa> Kill 21:05:52<@MasterFred> Imperial long-range rocket rifle killed 21:06:05<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Shiv_(clone_trooper) 21:06:08<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8139782 21:06:12<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Shiv_(clone_trooper) 21:06:15<@MasterFred> no change 21:06:15<@MasterFred> kill 21:06:16<@Ayrehead02> kill 21:06:18<@Toprawa> Kill 21:06:18<@Tommy-Macaroni> kil 21:06:19<@Tommy-Macaroni> l 21:06:38<@ecks> kill 21:06:38<@MasterFred> Shiv (clone trooper) killed 21:06:51<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ovarra 21:06:54<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8139784 21:06:58<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Ovarra_(second_review) 21:07:00<@MasterFred> no change 21:07:01<@MasterFred> kill 21:07:01<@Tommy-Macaroni> kill 21:07:04<@ecks> kill 21:07:03<@Toprawa> Kill 21:07:09<@Ayrehead02> kill 21:07:10<@MasterFred> Ovarra killed 21:07:19<@MasterFred> What. A. Rush. haha 21:07:30<@MasterFred> That's it for the slaughter. Now onto new articles. 21:07:30<@Toprawa> Exhilarating :P 21:07:43<@Tommy-Macaroni> Excellent 21:07:49<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Braha%27tok 21:08:00<@MasterFred> History could probably be subsectioned. Maybe also another image for each subsection? 21:08:00<@MasterFred> BTS not fully sourced 21:08:00<@MasterFred> Dates in BTS would be nice 21:08:00<@MasterFred> The article randomly alternates between "Alliance Fleet" and "Alliance fleet"; the former is the correct usage here 21:08:32<@Toprawa> Probe 21:08:39<@MasterFred> Probe 21:08:39<@Tommy-Macaroni> Probe 21:08:40<@Ayrehead02> Probe 21:08:43<@ecks> probe 21:08:51<@MasterFred> Braha'tok probed 21:09:14<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Laudable 21:09:25<@MasterFred> The two webcomics in the Appearances list need to use the SW.com citation template, as well as in the referencing 21:09:25<@MasterFred> I'm of the opinion that HoloNet News — A Galaxy Divided probably should use something too. We can still access the original mp3 file through the archived SW.com page. 21:09:25<@MasterFred> The 22 BBY dates are not referenced properly 21:09:25<@MasterFred> History might could be subsectioned. Maybe another image could be had too. 21:09:25<@MasterFred> Dates in the BTS would be nice. 21:09:35<@ecks> probe 21:09:35<@Ayrehead02> Probe 21:09:35<@Toprawa> Probe 21:09:36<@Tommy-Macaroni> Probe 21:09:47<@MasterFred> probe 21:09:50<@MasterFred> Laudable probed 21:09:57<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Mag_(clone_trooper) 21:10:05<@MasterFred> Webcomic should use SW.com citation template in Appearances and referencing 21:10:05<@MasterFred> 22 BBY cannot be sourced straight to ERC 21:10:05<@MasterFred> Dates in the BTS would be nice 21:10:05<@MasterFred> Are there really no other images that could be used? There is plenty of room in the Bio. 21:10:15<@Toprawa> Probe 21:10:17<@Tommy-Macaroni> Probe 21:10:20<@MasterFred> Probe 21:10:27<@ecks> probe 21:10:27<@Ayrehead02> Probe 21:10:33<@MasterFred> Mag (clone trooper) probed 21:10:47<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ares_Nune 21:10:55<@MasterFred> The two webcomics in the Appearances list need to use the SW.com citation template, as well as in the referencing 21:10:56<@MasterFred> I'm of the opinion that HoloNet News — A Galaxy Divided probably should use something too. We can still access the original mp3 file through the archived SW.com page. 21:10:56<@MasterFred> 22 BBY cannot be sourced straight to ERC 21:10:56<@MasterFred> The placement of the second body image is just weird. It's sort of randomly dropped between the Bio and the P/T. It would be better to subsection the Bio, which would provide more room for that second image to fit within. An additional quote should also be added if available. 21:10:56<@MasterFred> Dates in the BTS would be nice 21:11:09<@MasterFred> What's with this not having dates in the Bts thing? Gross. 21:11:22<@ecks> probe 21:11:22<@MasterFred> Also probe 21:11:22<@Toprawa> Well, they're all from the same nominator originally 21:11:23<@Tommy-Macaroni> Probe 21:11:25<@Ayrehead02> Probe 21:11:26<@Toprawa> Probe 21:11:30<@MasterFred> Oh, that makes sense. 21:11:34<@ecks> Tope has a vendetta 21:11:33<@Toprawa> That's why a lot of these all have similar issues 21:11:37<@Toprawa> Nah :P 21:11:45<@MasterFred> Ares Nune probed 21:12:03<@MasterFred> A vendetta against sub-par GAs. :P 21:12:07<@Toprawa> Yee :P 21:12:13<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bormus_testing_facility 21:12:22<@MasterFred> Webcomic should use SW.com citation template in Appearances and referencing 21:12:22<@MasterFred> If the article's title calls it a "testing facility," why does the bolded name in the intro call it a space station? These should sync up. 21:12:22<@MasterFred> The History paragraphs are sort of on the big side, which is probably a relic of Monobook. I could certainly see that section reorganized into two subsections and four paragraphs, which would allow for another image and quote if available. 21:12:22<@MasterFred> Dates in the BTS would be nice 21:12:35<@MasterFred> probe 21:12:37<@Toprawa> Probe 21:12:39<@Ayrehead02> Probe 21:12:39<@Tommy-Macaroni> Probe 21:12:53<@ecks> probe 21:12:55<@MasterFred> Bormus testing facility probed 21:13:05<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Eminence_(Carrack-class) 21:13:13<@MasterFred> 4 ABY cannot be sourced to the Databank 21:13:13<@MasterFred> BTS not completely sourced 21:13:13<@MasterFred> Dates in the BTS would be nice 21:13:13<@MasterFred> The Imperial Sourcebook cannot be used as a straight source for the manufacturer, since that book does not mention the Eminence 21:13:13<@MasterFred> CSWECite required for reference 3 21:13:24<@Toprawa> Probe 21:13:26<@MasterFred> probe 21:13:31<@ecks> probe 21:13:34<@Tommy-Macaroni> Probe 21:13:34<@Ayrehead02> Probe 21:13:37<@MasterFred> Eminence (Carrack-class) probed 21:13:45<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jollin_Resbin 21:13:52<@MasterFred> CSWECite required for reference 1 21:13:52<@MasterFred> 22 BBY cannot be sourced straight to the HNN articles, which only use GrS dating 21:13:52<@MasterFred> Neither the Separatist Crisis, which is not directly referenced in this particular HNN article 21:13:52<@MasterFred> BTS isn't sourced, and this certainly isn't self-sourcing: "The HoloNet News volume was released on May 9, 2002." 21:13:52<@MasterFred> Just remove the CSWE sentence in the BTS 21:14:00<@MasterFred> probe 21:14:03<@Tommy-Macaroni> Probe 21:14:03<@Toprawa> Neither can* 21:14:07<@Toprawa> Neither can* 21:14:08<@Toprawa> eh 21:14:09<@Ayrehead02>  Probe 21:14:10<@Toprawa> Probe 21:14:15<@ecks> probe 21:14:14<@Tommy-Macaroni> Speech 100 21:14:22<@MasterFred> Jollin Resbin probed 21:14:24<@Toprawa> I failed :P 21:14:38<@MasterFred> Into exile, you must go. 21:14:47<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Conqueror-class_atmospheric_dreadnaught 21:14:58<@MasterFred> Into could probably use a paragraph break 21:14:58<@MasterFred> The image in the Description section really doesn't fit well where it is because of the size of the infobox. This no doubt looked better in Monobook, but the narrower margins in Oasis make this aesthetically poor. 21:14:58<@MasterFred> History should definitely be subsectioned. Add additional images and quotes as available. 21:14:58<@MasterFred> I'm certain this comic can't be used as a straight source for 22 BBY 21:14:58<@MasterFred> BTS: 21:14:59<@MasterFred> Unsourced 21:14:59<@MasterFred> Comic author and illustrator would be nice 21:15:00<@MasterFred> Comic publication date is not self-sourcing 21:15:00<@MasterFred> Full release date for CSWE is unnecessary. Just say 2008. 21:15:17<@Toprawa> Probe 21:15:19<@ecks> probe 21:15:19<@Tommy-Macaroni> Probe 21:15:20<@MasterFred> Last four objections apply to the Bts since bullets don't carry over to IRC. 21:15:20<@Ayrehead02> Probe 21:15:24<@MasterFred> probe 21:15:42<@MasterFred> Conqueror-class atmospheric dreadnaught probed 21:15:57<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Brassbound 21:16:09<@MasterFred> Reference 3 needs to explain how Star Wars Annual 2011 can be used as a reference for 21 BBY. This isn't a straight reference. 21:16:09<@MasterFred> Webcomic should use SW.com citation template in Appearances and referencing 21:16:09<@MasterFred> BTS: 21:16:09<@MasterFred> Unsourced 21:16:09<@MasterFred> Comic author and illustrator should be mentioned 21:16:10<@MasterFred> Full publication date is not self-sourcing 21:16:13<@MasterFred> Last three apply to Bts. 21:16:17<@MasterFred> probe 21:16:19<@Toprawa> Probe 21:16:22<@Tommy-Macaroni> Probe 21:16:40<@ecks> probe 21:16:40<@Ayrehead02> Probe 21:16:53<@MasterFred> Brassbound probed 21:17:03<@MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/DC-19_%22Stealth%22_carbine 21:17:15<@MasterFred> I don't think the ROTS novel can be used as a straight source for 19 BBY 21:17:15<@MasterFred> BTS unsourced 21:17:15<@MasterFred> Just remove the CSWE sentence from the BTS 21:17:15<@MasterFred> How can New Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology be used to source the manufacturer if the weapon isn't even mentioned in that book? 21:17:15<@MasterFred> Is the mention of the Nightstinger really necessary if there's no explicit connection between these two weapons? 21:17:16<@MasterFred> The image of the clone shadow trooper should be repositioned in the History, which is the only section of the article body that actually mentions these guys 21:17:25<@Toprawa> Probe 21:17:27<@MasterFred> probe 21:17:29<@Tommy-Macaroni> Probe 21:17:45<@ecks> probe 21:17:45<@Ayrehead02> Probe 21:17:46<@MasterFred> DC-19 "Stealth" carbine probed 21:18:08<@MasterFred> Nothing in the maintenance bin. 21:18:28<@MasterFred> Toprawa: You have the floor for your redux discussion item. 21:18:37<@Toprawa> Let me gather myself 21:18:42<@Toprawa> Ok... 21:18:43<@MasterFred> no worries 21:18:54<@Toprawa> Since we agreed to merge the Redux page into the GAN page, we really don't need this anymore https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Redux_page 21:19:09<@Toprawa> All of the relevant instructions there are or can be merged with the GAN page and/or the GA instructions page 21:19:28<@Toprawa> I propose we redirect this page to either the GAN page or the instructions page 21:20:19<@Toprawa> Or maybe just redirect it to the AC page, since it's a Wookieepedia:AC title 21:20:26<@Toprawa> That might be technically more appropriate 21:20:42<@Tommy-Macaroni> Yes definitely, it is pointless 21:20:45<@Tommy-Macaroni> Support 21:20:51<@Ayrehead02> Support 21:21:03<@Toprawa> Support 21:21:22<@MasterFred> We can redirect it to the AC page and just make sure any Redux-specific instructions are on the GAN page. 21:21:29<@MasterFred> Any that apply to regular editors. 21:21:30<@Toprawa> Yeah 21:21:36<@Toprawa> EJ votes Support 21:22:03<@MasterFred> Support 21:22:11<@ecks> suppor 21:22:32<@MasterFred> Motion passes 6:0 21:22:49<@Toprawa> I have a second issue related to this 21:23:00* @MasterFred steps aside. 21:23:40<@Toprawa> Wait, nevermind 21:23:46<@Toprawa> "Reduxed articles will be subject to removal if objections are not addressed after a period of two weeks, pending the support of at least three AgriCorps members." 21:23:53<@Toprawa> That last part about three AC members needing to remove something 21:24:07<@Toprawa> I think that wasn't defined before 21:24:12<@Toprawa> Maybe we did this at a recent meeting, I can't remember 21:24:17<@Toprawa> But nevermind, it's there 21:24:20<@MasterFred> Sounds familiar 21:24:27<@MasterFred> Alrighty then 21:24:39<@MasterFred> Anybody else have any other discussion items? 21:25:03<@Toprawa> Noop 21:25:06<@ecks> nope 21:25:08<@Ayrehead02> Nothing from me 21:25:20<@Tommy-Macaroni>  no no no 21:25:24<@Tommy-Macaroni>  (no no no) 21:25:29<@Tommy-Macaroni> Stick to the stuff you know 21:25:29<@MasterFred> Ok, now for duties 21:25:51<@MasterFred> Tommy, we are about to have a HSM dance off RIGHT HERE AND NOW. 21:25:57<@MasterFred> Anyway haha 21:26:10<@MasterFred> Toprawa schedules Meeting 116 21:26:17<@MasterFred> Imperators has paperwork for Meeting 115. 21:27:04<@Toprawa> We done? :P 21:27:04<@MasterFred> Thanks for coming,