Talk:Sith (species)

what happened?
What happened to the Sith species after the Great Hyperspace War? Did Empress Teta's fleet exterminate the species? Or could they intermarried with the Human settlers? No, those were the descendants of Naga Sadow's followers and crew of his flagship. What happens to those left on Korriban, Ziost and the other Sith Empire worlds. Either they were slaughtered by the Republic or they intermarried with Humans. They could also have been relocated to other worlds.
 * I was under the impression that they were exterminated after Exar Kun drained the life-force of the entire race in order to sustain himself (or something like that). I don't really know though, and I don't know at the moment where that would fall on the timeline. – Aidje talk 05:55, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Yep, "The Fall of the Sith Empire" doesn't explain what happens to the entire Sith civilization left behind when the Sith Lords go to war. This is a civilization that's existed for thousands of years. The Empress Teta forces clean up the Sith fleet but then, presumably, go home. Naga Sadow, of course, escapes.
 * The common consensus, which i tend to agree with, is that the fate of the ancient sith will be the subject of KOTOR III. Lonnyd 11:54, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Assuming Kotor 3 ever comes out. Even if it doesn't it can be assumed that something happened because t3 went with Revan to the uknown regions but before that Bastilla programmed him to return to known space if something happened to Revan. The orders were to find Bastilla and if he couldn't he would just have to find someone even if they were Sith. The way i see it there are 3 things that could have happened. 1)Revan is killed 2)Revan is captured 3)Revan gets seduced to the dark side and becomes ruler of the sith.--Dumac 03:42, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that those of the race who hadn't been interbred had fled to the Outerim, Wild Space, or the Unknown regions in exile. 204.38.206.78 18:17, 7 April 2008 (UTC)Waw
 * Not sure the Sith would really even 'want' to interbreed with any humans. The only reason Sith would want human blood in their offspring would be if it was of the Dark Jedi that originally met with them. Other than that there would be no point for them to forsake their Sith heritage by drowning out the bloodlines. Besides, I doubt there were many humans in the unknown regions.

Homeworld
Now the NEC says that their homeworld was Ziost? What gives? -- SFH 05:08, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * It was always Ziost. Korriban was just where they buried their rulers. QuentinGeorge 05:53, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Then why did every source say that the Dark Jedi arrived at Korriban, and found the Sith? And why did all the other sources say that Korriban was their homeworld&mdash;INCLUDING THIS ARTICLE? What is the justification for that retcon? -- SFH 14:04, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * It's not a retcon. Every source, including Golden Age of the Sith said the Sith species first lived on Ziost. Korriban being their homeworld is a common misnomer and error which was unfortunately put in this wikipedia too. The reason? Korriban continues to be associated with the Sith throughout their history but Ziost doesn't. (except for Lumiya) so people assume it is their homeworld. But it isn't, it never was, and nothing has been retconned here QuentinGeorge 22:36, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * A misnomer that even the Databank and CUSWE got wrong? Seriously, go to both of those places, you'll see it states Korriban as their homeworld. And Quentin, I mean no disrespect, I'm not trying to get myself banned or blocked, and I know that we have to accept the NEC, but I'm really having trouble seeing why we should accept a series of retcons just because KOTOR II, a game which was probably released prematurely, made a mistake on when lightsabers were made. -- SFH 22:45, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * The Databank is referring to the Order, which WAS headquartered on Korriban. Ziost is from Golden Age of the Sith, the ONLY sources to have the original Sith species. It's not a new invention. It's got nothing to do with KOTOR game. QuentinGeorge 22:49, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * PS I'm not going to ban you for disagreeing with me. QuentinGeorge 23:04, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I didn't think you would...All right, you convinced me. You've got better things to do than answer the questions of a paranoid Wookieepedian, so I'll stop bringing it up. -- SFH 23:30, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)

the word 'Sith' went on to be used by many dark side organizations not connected with the original Sith species. - eh... The Krath were not the Sith. Please reword what you are trying to say here :/ They originated on Korriban and then moved to Ziost.just like the Hutts moved to Nal Hutta.Darth Fernos 15:59, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Wait a minute. So Korriban is their original homeworld again? -- SFH 14:22, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmmm . . . I know there homeworld was probably Ziost but then if the Dark Jedi came to Korriban and discoevered the Sith there then why would there homeworld be Ziost? Did they move to Korriban before the Dark Jedi came?
 * Their homeworld is Korriban, E.N.D. made it quite clear. And yes, before the Dark Jedi came they already had Hyperspace capability. --Sauron18 21:28, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

guys lets just say this, they came from one and movedd to the other Jedi master 999 02:13, December 11, 2009 (UTC)

Genocide
I've been reading through the NEC, and I haven't found a reference to the Sith Genocide. Is it from their? And if not, where is the source for that? -- SFH 02:42, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Well, I hope they then explain why the Sith people don't appear in later novels. I have observed in Tales of the Jedi: Dark Lords of the Sith and Knights of the Old Republic that the Sith don't appear at all!! This shows that the Galactic Republic and the Jedi probably exterminated the entire species. Probably, the Republic was cruel towards unknown alien species that attacked its worlds or the Sith were so dominated by the Dark Side that they had to exterminated. MyNz 16:00, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)

That still doesn't answer my question. Where is the source for the Genocide? -- SFH 04:23, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Extinction?
Are the Sith extinct, or are they living somewhere else in the galaxy? The Sorcerers of Tund are Sith, so why should the Sith be cosidered extinct? Although they did go extinct in around the clone wars time (the Sorcerers were wiped out) Also the Sith on thule-what happened to them? Therfore I don't think this should be in the Extinct species section as we don't know for sure really.210.54.106.82 04:16, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Assuming kotor 3 ever comes out you will get an answer if kotor is even considered canon.--Dumac 03:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * According to END they were hunted to extinction, but then again, it's recounting the tale, so maybe a few survived for a while and were then massacred.--Sauron18 03:52, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Picture
Is horrible, can we either get a better pixeled one or a new pic? Jedi Dude
 * The picture we have isn't even Sith, it's Massassi. I think we can do better.Darth Ceratis 19:44, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm going to try and find some more pics, I'm not sure if anyone has actually done a clear cut Sith pic to be honest. I'm actually hoping to find a female to see more of a difference between humans and Sith. 204.38.206.78 18:21, 7 April 2008 (UTC)Waw
 * The picture is that of a massassi and kissai not even directly a sith, therefore it should not be the listed picture of a Sith.
 * I think that a picture of Ludo Kressh should be added to the page as he is basically the only nearly full Sith that we have lots of pictures and information of. The pure Sith that we have pictures of like the pictures of when the Exiles land on Korriban in the TOTJ comics aren't really good enough I think to be good representations of the Sith, but since Kressh looks exactly like a pure Sith we should add him because we have so many pictures of him, and so his appearance will be a good representation of the Sith species.--Obi-wan Jacobi 04:25, September 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * What about something like this:[[Image:Kressh,_Close-up.JPG‎|150px |thumb| ]] It shows Ludo Kressh and therefore a good representation of the Sith species in a lot of detail....only the face though disappointingly...--Obi-wan Jacobi 04:25, November 3, 2009 (UTC)

How Long Do they live?
How long is the average lifespand? - Darth Fury

Of course I am merely speculating. 86.104.204.67 21:25, 1 October 2006 (UTC) Rotten
 * Considering that Marka Ragnos died of old age after reigning cca. 100 years, and that he was (likely) very powerful with the Force, and assuming he was already middle-aged (by normal Sith standards) when he took the throne (it is less likely that he was a youngster or already old), I assume the Sith lived slightly longer than humans, averaging maybe at 85-100, with powerful Sith Lords at about 100-120.

Reproduction
Surely, someone must know how the Sith reproduce? I don't have all the available data on them, maybe it's there somewhere, but I don't know. 86.104.204.67 18:03, 29 September 2006 (UTC)Rotten


 * From everything I've read I've assumed it was just like normal... uh, male and female intercourse and a then a baby. They were crossbred with Humans and the like through Sith Alchemy.  As those half breeds intermingled with regular humans and what not I think their race eventually thinned out in Humans. 204.38.206.78 18:20, 7 April 2008 (UTC)Waw

Purebloods

 * How many Sith of the Sith Empire era were actually purebloods? Whilst Naga Sadow was explicitly stated to have been mostly Human, I would not then consider that all other Sith at the time - like Ludo Kressh, Dor Gal-ram or Simus - were implicitly entirely trueblood Sith. In fact, I would consider it rather more likely that after the arrival of the Dark Jedi that most were either alchemically altered or at least partially Human. Can anyone disprove this theory, or can I alter the article and the "Notable Sith" section in particular to indicate that all but for Adas and Dathka Graush were more likely to have been halfbreeds than true Sith? --Kessel 18:06, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Well thing is, associating the looks of Dathka Gruesh with Ludo Kressh, Horak-Mul, and Dor Gal-ram prooves little difference. Even Ragnos notes that Ludo Kressh was truer to his bloodline than that of Naga Sadow.

The age issue again
Just out of interest, I noted today that Adas ruled between 28,000 BBY and 27,700 BBY. Accounting for time before he became ruler, you're looking at a life span of at least 300 years and probably more like 400 or something. So I just have to ask whether we know whether this is a unique aspect of Adas, or whether all pure Sith had such long lives? Vagrant Lustoid 13:02, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Shouldn't the other distinctions be listed?

 * I noticed that Ludo Kressh, and most of the other Sith, have only 4 fingers on each hand and three toes on their feet. Shouldn't it be included? SarimThiri 11:13, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Near Humans?
Can the Sith really be called Near-Human? Near-Humans are typically those who descended from Human stock, no? It's pretty clear the Sith themselves are a complete separate species having evolved on Korriban not from a human colony as other Near-Humans did. Though the original Exiles did interbreed with the Sith, this could have been through the dark side genetic experiments that Exiles were banished for in the first place so it's unknown if Sith could really 'Breed' with Humans without this intervention. Just to add I remember seeing somethign saying they were Near-Human once but im currently at work so away from any sources I can back this up with. --Darth Derriphan 12:20, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * It really depends on the definition of "Near-Human". Though the Sith have not been stated to be descendants of Humans, it is not unthinkable that they evolved very similar biology. However, until a specific source for their classification is found, it would be safest to keep them as "Humanoids". - Nistra Talk 12:45, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, There seems to be some confusion with authors if Near-Human means from the Human baseline or just Humanoid in appearance. What I don't understand is for the Sith to have evolved from the baseline Human they'd have to have been seperated from them Millions of years prior to the time of King Adas.  Which raises more questions as too who moved them and why place them in such a remote and hard to navigate places within the Stygia Caldera and what are the evolutionary benefits of humans loosing fingers and toes and gaining facial tentacles? --Darth Derriphan 13:07, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I actually think about the same thing regarding the tentacle beards etc, what use would they have been things like that to make them be passed on through the eras, I think they most likely are for sexual selection? Or perhaps they have another sort of sense function in them or show some sort of emotion, but until a source comes out and says what they're for, we can't really write anything.... and besides I don't think the writers of Golden Age of the Sith thought about the evolutionary significance of the Sith species' biological components when they wrote it. On the subject, I think that its best to say that the Pureblooded Sith (evolved on Korriban) are Humanoids, as they are not descended from Humans as far as we are aware, however, the Red Sith or Sith Hybrids (whatever you want to call them) that lived after the Hundred year Darkness due to interbreeding with the Massasssi by the Exiles, I think could be called near Human, as they are partly descended from Humans (or other Near Human species). I think they did evolve in just about the same way as Humans, Isn't there some source that says they might have a connection to an ape-like species that used to live on Korriban? —Obi-wan Jacobi  Jedi_Symbol_Dark_Chrome.JPG 22:06, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * If they can interbreed, they are near-Humans.  Mauser  Comlink 22:09, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * But they interbred through using Sith alchemy. —Obi-wan Jacobi Jedi_Symbol_Dark_Chrome.JPG 22:16, January 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * -Looks like sith are indeed, near-human, the proof of this are the sith-human hybrids, like Simus , and if near humans were only the species that could naturally breed with humans , then the Qiraash wouldnt be considered near humans , fructose =3, MANY , but NOT all near humans could naturally interbreed with Humans, the "true" mandalorians (species) couldnt naturally interbreed with humans,though they are still described as one- there is one article here that I would recommend you to read, sucrose,Hybrid -I think I am going to put this in the near human page,to prevent discussions like this from happening, glucose.:3--Loub 11:11, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * You missed the part that Sith-human hybrids are down to Sith Alchemy not becuase they are Near-Human and even then there are still plenty of pure blood sith not mixed by means of alchemy so these sith would not be Near-Human, so saying the entire race is Near-Human is wrong. --Darth Derriphan 14:57, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Sith Purebloods (in TOR)
They just today announced "Sith Purebloods" as a playable race. My question is this, do we 1) change the name of this article to "Sith Pureblood", 2) create a section of this article for the very human-looking "Sith Pureblood" sub-species as with Exal Kressh, or 3) create a new Sith Pureblood article? "Pure-blooded" as these characters may be, they seem to be the result of the inter-breeding with humans and do not have the look of the original Sith species. &mdash;fodigg   (talk) | 18:47, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I beg to differ. The screenshot they released shows the Sith with all the features of Naga Sadow and the brow of Ludo Kressh. I think the term should be mentioned in the top of the article like the Red Sith name until we get more information. Gratulor - User Page 19:12, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with SarimThiri. —Tommy 9281 19:16, August 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I made the changes to the intro for now and redirected "Sith Pureblood" to this article. &mdash;fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 19:33, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

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Sith Pureblood a separate species.
In an interview with Daniel Erickson it has been confirmed that Sith Pureblood are a separate species from the Sith species (as seen in this article).
 * "It’s the first time the Sith Pureblood appear in a game, isn’t it?
 * Absolutely. Actually, they haven’t really appeared outside the comic books before. And what’s interesting is that these Sith “Purebloods” are not in fact of pure Sith blood. The real purebloods are actually a much more alien race. These are Sith that still have enough Sith blood in them that they still have the red color, still have the facial tentacles. So you can see that they are Sith." (Interview located here.)
 * Alexsau1991 (talk page) SithEmblemTOR.PNG 16:06, August 20, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah, they're Sith hybrids. We already knew that. —Obi–wan Jacobi  Jedi_Symbol_Dark_Chrome.JPG ( Talk ) 22:25, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good of him to give us more of a clarification, though. :) —Obi–wan Jacobi  Jedi_Symbol_Dark_Chrome.JPG ( Talk ) 10:59, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

shadow hand
Under socioty and culture:

"One aspect that originated from Korriban was the position of Shadow Hand; a title that was analogous to that of a Jedi Padawan."

Shadow Hand under Adas was not like Padawan, but was the second-in-command to the Sith Monarch (before the Dark Jedi Exiles' arrival). The Shadow Hand wookieepedia article itself attests to this 96.225.227.190 03:40, February 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. This article is currently undergoing a massive overhaul, so nearly everything will be changed&mdash;especially the Society and Culture section. Therefore, you may find bits and pieces that are inaccurate as of now. In the future they will be changed, and the article will continue to be improved. —Obi–wan Jacobi  Jedi_Symbol_Dark_Chrome.JPG ( Talk ) 00:21, February 10, 2011 (UTC)

Races
I can see how Massassi and Kissai are races, but engineer and slave? Did someone create a mistake upon writing the article or is this possibly some sort of vandalism? Korsa3 03:36, March 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's well sourced information, so no and no. (–Tm_T (Talk) 05:09, March 3, 2011 (UTC)