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Sith characters?
Why is Tavion categorized as a Sith character? - Sikon [ Talk ] 04:22, 23 Nov 2005 (UTC)\ because she was desanns apprentice and started a cult
 * Yeah, she's not a Sith as such, but the Disciples of Marka Ragnos is a Sith cult, so I guess inridrectly, she is a Sith character KEJ 22:39, 15 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Main image
I'm not too convinced that Tavion's current profile pic really works for the article. Granted, it's larger and more detailed than what was originally there, but a screen cap from JK's ModView program isn't exactly the best choice. There's no light source, no background, and her pose looks like she's catching a football rather than swinging an invisible lightsaber... in-game graphics would work better.

So before I actually changed the main image, I wanted to get a little feedback here on the talk page. Does anyone prefer one image over the other? Which would you like to see as Tavion's profile pic? If no one replies after a couple days, I'll just go ahead and pick one. But for now, I'm leaving it open to discussion. Let me know! SM-716 01:02, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think a head-on shot works better, so 2 or 3, and out of those, since the general rule is to use close-up pictures for the infobox, I'd say 3. I do agree that the current one should be changed. - Lord Hydronium 01:12, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Modview has other options, as seen in my Galak Fyyar pic. That one is no worse than the shot we have up for Bail Organa, or other promotional grey-background shots. I'd be fine with a Modview shot for Tavion if the pose was different, but of the three options here I'd take 3. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  02:23, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * We could just go with an out of the ordinary profile image...--Redemption 03:40, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

If you'd like a close-up for it, Hydronim, I can go closer (see #4).

The difference between that Bail Organa promotional photo and a ModView image is that ModView doesn't provide any type of light sources or shaders, making the image look flat and unrealistic (even by Quake III-engine standards). The only highlights and shadows shown in ModView are those that are painted onto the skin files. In-game graphics provide light sources, making the character model seem volumetric like they actually exist in three dimensions, as well as any shaders the model might have. I'm not 100% sure, but a shader might be used to make Tavion's armor's surface have a leathery sheen to it, but the shader is omitted in ModView. It seems to me that using in-game graphics covers all the bases. If consensus decides that a ModView shot is preferrable, however, I'd like to suggest that you use the dark grey background instead of white. Dark grey seems to work well with the color of Tavion's info box. SM-716 05:37, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I can see a whole lot more detail on the modviews ones (they are also better quality and much larger) But lets let the public decide...--Redemption 17:05, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I prefer in situ screenshots from the game to mods... and if it has to be mods, I prefer a black or dark background to a white one. KEJ 19:27, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, its not a mod. Mods are modifications. Nothing was done to modify the Tavion image. As for the background, the background can be changed in literally 10 seconds so don't concern yourselfs with that. --Redemption 20:51, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, I thought 'mod' meant 'model' in this case, but it just goes to show that I'm too old to be leet :-P As I prefer in situ images, I'd go for choice #1 KEJ 10:36, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Took my sweet time on it, but I finally put in #3 as the article's lead image. Thanks for the help in the decision, everyone. And KEJ: ModView means "Model Viewer". It's a program modders use to see how a custom skin looks before testing it in-game, but it can also be used to simply view the existing character models. Makes for great reference material if you've ever tried to draw Tavion or Desann. In any case, though, you're never too young to be sick of leetspeak.... SM-716 04:40, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info - one's never too old to learn new stuff ;-) As to the choice of image, I'd still prefer #1, but at least #3 has in situ qualities. My preference for in situ presentations of characters is based on the IU perspective adopted by Wookieepedia KEJ 15:04, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * This discussion isn't over. I want a second opinion. --Redemption 14:49, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd go for picture #1, too - the posture there just looks cool and fitting. Tulon 02:30, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Do we really need three pics on this article? I don't think there is enough text to justify that. --Eyrezer 23:22, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Right. I think the picture of the Posessed Tavion won't be missed by a lot of people, as the posture of her body looks kind of weird there. Tulon 02:30, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I just expanded her article so it fits the images better. --Redemption 00:09, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Sith tattoos?

 * Can someone actually confirm that those tattoos on her arms really are Sith tattoos and not just "Dark Side tattoos" or some native/local stuff or just fashion? If she would wear them only during her time with the Ragnos-cult it would be clear, but she has them right from the start. Tulon 02:30, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Tavion Axmis

 * Leland Chee, while listing Dark Jedi here, listed Tavion as "Tavion Axmis." Is this mentioned in the game anywhere?  If so, it should obviously be moved, but if not, should we move the article anyway based on that Holocron info? jSarek 07:56, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't think it's mentioned in the games (it's not in the dialogue), but if it's in the Holocron, it's canon. - Lord Hydronium 08:07, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It isn't mentioned in the games, but still. Moved. - Sikon [ Talk ] 08:38, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Tavion's Homeworld
This is somewhat nit-pickey, but I think it is inaccurate to say that Tavion's homeworld is Dathomir and that she was a Nightsister, judging from Jedi Outcast and Jedi Academy. First off, the article states that her "style of clothing and her facial tattoo could be" evidence of Dathomiri ancenstry, however Nightsisters are not necessarily known for tattoos, and tight leather clothing is not excusively a Nightsister style. More importantly is the fact that if Tavion were a Nightsister she would not put herself under the control of the Empire, much less under control of men. She never left the service of powerful men and seemed to relish in her positions of servitude, first under Lord Hethrir, then Desann, and finally Marka Ragnos.
 * Well, thats why I have mentioned it as a possibility. As far as I know, these kinds of facial tattoos are a typical sign of Nightsister heritage - judging from the ton of pictures that are avaiable. Also it is a fact that a lot of Nightsisters have been working for the Empire, just check out the article about Brakiss. But anyways: I have to confess that I wrote that with making a continuity error by linking the Empire Reborn movement to the Second Imperium, which is wrong since the time span is just too large. I am sorry that I have not recognized this earlier. Otherwise it would have fit perfectly and Tavion could have been one of the Nightsisters that have been exiled together with Tamith Kai. That said, Tavion might still be a Nightsister, but the possibility is somewhat smaller than I initially thought, now that the theory can only be backed up by visual impressions. It would still fit, however, so if anyone can bring up something solid against this theory I'd be glad to hear it. After all, I too am just interested in clarification on this matter. And of course, if more users think that this does not belong here it can and should be removed. Tulon 10:45, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Ripping Jaden's lightsabre?
Now correct me if I'm wrong, but in the game Tavion is about to kill Jaden and Kyle with the sceptre when Jaden hurls his/her lightsabre at the ceiling, allowing them to escape... the article talks of ripping the saber from his/her grip... which is incorrect..

I think that Tavion had thrown Jaden's Lightsaber at the ceiling and used the sceptre to cause his/her Lightsaber to explode and bring-down the ceiling. Jedi Trainer

IMO, the way Jaden moves does not look like he intentionally threw it. In fact, it seems like he tries to grasp for his lightsaber, which implies that she took it from him with the force. Darth Endis 08:15, 28 April 2009 (UTC)

Death???

 * It is possible that she could have lived after ragnos left her body. 67.72.98.112 23:00, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No. Jaden says she died therefore, she's dead. That and even if she was alive, she wouldn't last long in an encased Sith Tomb. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png Talk 23:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No, it's not possible. She's dead like a fish. It says so in the game. Speculations are irrelevant. KEJ 11:05, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It says that he"left her to die". that could mean that she could have lived in there forever. If it was sealed no one knows if she survived.
 * Speculation is irrelevant. KEJ 00:22, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * so you are saying that I should keep my opinions to my self? If so, I will.
 * I know this may be a bit old, but there's no chance she survived. She's dead. She is no more. She has ceased to be. Even if she was still alive, there was no way out of the tomb. She couldn't live in there forever, there was no food or water. As KEJ said, speculation is irrelevent. Jorlyn Gunnar 17:49, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * She could have used the force to push the rubble away from the tomb entrance, and escaped back to the Imperial Remnant in one of the Lambada Shuttles seen.
 * She could, but it's speculation and fanon and thus has no place in the article itself. KEJ 11:37, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Lol... Lambada shuttle! KEJ 10:24, 23 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Just being nit-picky, but while she is declared by the characters in the game she's dead, it's possible that Lucas Arts will later decide that she lived and make up some story about how she went into some trance or got possessed and hibernated for a long time or escaped later (or had a clone or came back in some other force-user's body or stayed in a computer), but they can do that with *many*other 'dead' characters (and have), but until Lucas Arts decides she's still alive (if they do, which they probably won't), it's best to assume she's dead until that information is contradicted.84.84.207.58 22:07, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Sith Character
Shouldnt she have a sith character infobox? She's leader of a sith cult and was possessed by a sith lord. She's Amanoa status, in the very least. Dark Lord Trayus 05:43, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with you even though most Star Wars Fans would disagree and say that Tavion should have a Dark Jedi infobox. Obi-Wan Kenobody 06:26, 8 June 2009 (UTC)