Talk:Galen Marek

Powers
I think it should be mentioned in the article that he didn't really "pulled" it down. At least for me it only looks like he altered its course against the ground (the gravity did the rest) and had way more trouble slowing it down after it hits the ground.

Doesn't it say somewhere that the Force Unleashed was supposed to exaggerate the powers of the Force? Zack Chiu 14:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it does. I'm not sure why the article disregards this. -MPK 16:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Would it be worth looking at to change the article a bit? BTAL 22:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In Insider #100 it says that the Apprentice has the potential to be one of the most powerful Force users of all the time. It may just be for the game, but as far as we know, it's canon.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 22:32, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * George have stated that Lukes potential is twice that of the emperor, but still he had a hard time defeating him. Potential doesn't equal power.
 * Plus, trailers aren't always canon. For example the kotor 2 trailer call the exile a "him". -Unsigned comment by IP Address 81.229.73.179
 * It's been confirmed somewhere (don't have source unfortunately because I saw it a while ago) that the player does indeed pull down a Star Destroyer in the game. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 02:27, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * On the game site under the spike tv exculsive titled Spike Tv Segment 3: Epic battles Hayden Blackman can be quoted as saying "Your pretty powerful, but this is the way we'er portraying the Force throughout the game. So everybody you fight that has force powers will be unleashed as well." I had tried to make a small edit that said some thing akin to that but it was deleted, i assume it was for improper sourcing (or lack there of). Unfortunaly i can't acctualy get a direct link to the video because the entier web site is flash based and every thing is under the same address. Anyway is the above quote enough to to have somesort of relating information placed in the article? FinalFighterA+ 18:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I recall them saying that too; but in Star Wars Insider 100 Haden Blackman says that he has the potential to be the most powerful Force user ever. Your edit was fine, but it was out-of-universe because it said 'in an interview', which is what behind the scenes is for.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 23:20, 18 May 2008 (UTC)

GamePro? Where?
I went to GamePro, but I can't find the costumes. Link please? Nebril Engeve'fer 02:57, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Here:  Drewton  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/c0/SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg/25px-SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg 12:50, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Those are for the Duel Mode on the Wii, not unlockables for the main game. Nebril Engeve'fer 02:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * They'll still most likely be in the main game. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 12:25, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Ambig Canon
Just because it says something on the package, it cannot be confirmed that the SA redeems anyone or falls in love with Juno. Also, we do not know for a fact how or when or even if Kota becomes his master. And we do not know if he definitely confronts Vader. So until we get a definite canon source like the Graphic Novel, it is ambiguous. The Secret Apprentice  ( Personal Comm ) 15:08, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hasbro is not an ambiguous source. In Revan's article, it is considered canon that Revan was the one who inflicted Malak's jaw injury, and it was only on the back of package.  Hasn't it been said elsewhere also about Juno?  Drewton  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/c0/SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg/25px-SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg 15:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Juno was stated to be the love interest and has a bond with the SA. We do not know what happens to that bond throughout the course of the game. Also, the thing about Malak's jaw has nothing to do with game plot and the packaging was released after the game was out. You also failed to address my other problems with your edit. If you can fix your edit so that it does not assume anything then I will leave you alone. Or you could just wait until 9-16. The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 15:58, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 'Love interest' implies it, though I'm fine taking that part out because that's the only thing they've said. Of course Revan cutting off Malak's jaw doesn't have to do with the game plot, but it's still canon.  The description on the Unleashed package was done with LucasFilm's approval; I don't think they'd tell non-canon information about it. They likely told Hasbro the Apprentice's canon fate.  I am not assuming anything, just using what Hasbro said.  Drewton  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/c0/SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg/25px-SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg 16:02, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't have as much time before, so I'll also address your other points (I have before, simply indirectly). Also, we do not know for a fact how or when or even if Kota becomes his master.  I never said he becomes the Apprentice's Master, only that he trains him.  StarWars.com itself has said that Kota becomes his mentor.  And we do not know if he definitely confronts Vader.  It was confirmed on the package.  Hasbro's information comes from LucasFilms.  Drewton  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/c0/SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg/25px-SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg 16:35, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I was making no assumptions and you have replied in other parts of this page but no to this yet, so I reverted the article back (but I won't if you revert it back again because I don't want to start a 'revert war'). I'm sorry if you just haven't had time to reply.  Drewton  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/c0/SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg/25px-SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg 01:34, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Although I am unhappy with it, I will not revert your edit until we get input from other users. Also, it said that the SA has a confrontation with his former master. It does not state who this master is, (although I will admit it is likely that they meant Vader.) I would also like to avoid edits stating something as definite. Until we receive a definite source that outright states or depicts the things that have been brought into question, I would like things to remain in a way that they do not explicitly state specific details. Also, on a side note should we put up a spoiler warning? The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 20:17, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's what I was hoping for too. If other users decide that you or I am right, I'm happy either way, I just want to include canon/correct information.  I don't think we need a spoiler warning yet, or at least until there's some extremely suprising thing added, in my opinion.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 20:37, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Although I don't know a whole lot about The Force Unleashed, I (personally) think it'd okay to keep the information about him falling in love with Juno, Kota being his master, etc. in the article. Because even though we may not be absolutely positive that that's true, the "Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future." template on top of the page explains that it hasn't been released yet and that it might contain information of a speculative nature. I think that pretty much covers that some of it may not be confirmed yet or is ambiguously canon. (But thats just me, and what do I know?)  Aqua Unasi *** 20:48, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Jumping the gun just a bit?
Does the Apprentice actually exist yet? Neither the Force Unleashed games, books, or any of those are made yet. Therefore, shouldn't a template be placed on the page which mentions that he is not yet canon? -MPK 20:31, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Um, are you serious? Grand Moff Tranner 21:49, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Toys are out, a preview of the novel is out and there are numerous trailers/webdocs. Besides, why put up one of those templates when we know that the game and the aforementioned material will be released? The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 23:27, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think we should say he's non-canon on the off-chance that six nearly-finished games, a graphic novel, a novel, a "making/art-of" book, etc. will be canceled five months before their release date. Unless we want to say the same thing about Captain Rex, Ahsoka, etc. InSaneWeTrust 23:33, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. We'd be deleting all of the articles about upcoming characters then.  Drewton  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/c0/SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg/25px-SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg 01:26, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Apprentice's parents
I just watched Gametrailers with Geoff Keighley, and Haden Blackman told Geoff that the Apprentice was the son of not one but two Jedi. This should be mentioned in the article. His name apparently starts with "S", as well.--Jedi Kasra 05:07, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

That is old information and if you were paying attention they said his CODE NAME starts with "S". As in Secret Apprentice. Derrr. The Secret Apprentice  ( Personal Comm ) 14:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I hadn't seen that it wasn't in the article before. I'll go add it now :) . Drewton   14:29, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

he is hethrir ?
 * Old information, huh? I thought Blackman previously just said he was the son of a Jedi, not two.--Jedi Kasra 22:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It was said in the PS3 magazine. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 00:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you suppose that shortly after Vader killed Kento, he saw that the Jedi was protecting his own son and the Dark Lord turned a little guilty of what he did? After all, he might've made up to this by adopting the Apprentice and started having the first steps of becoming a father. What's wrong with Sith Lords wanting to adopting someone, anyway? I learned about family relationships between them in a preview. 72.82.9.127 22:22, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe, or just using him to kill Palpatine and the rest of the Jedi. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 00:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's my two cents in this. I've always wanted to adopt kids, and as of last year, let's just say that the idea of adoption became more "personal" for me, in a good way. While we still have to find out come September, it is possible that Vader would adopt him and treat him as his own son, albeit in a weird, Sithly way. I think Vader does care about him, and if he (the apprentice) betrays him, which is almost certain, it will hurt Vader. Remember, Palpatine doesn't have any idea about the apprentice. No one would dispute that Darth Caedus loves Allana, in his own weird way.--Jedi Kasra 21:11, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. I think it will change how the Luke-Vader relationship is viewed.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 21:32, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Robotic Hand/Arm?
Looking at this picture, I was thinking that maybe the apprentice has a mechanical arm? Telos 03:51, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It does look like that. He certainly doesn't have it at the beginning of the game though.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 13:57, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. It looks too bulky to be a robotic arm. Seems more like a glove (perhaps some sort of "Force glove" that gives the wearer enhanced Force powers?) Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 16:33, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Name
His name has been reported to be Starkiller. Drewton  16:38, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * So his name is "Starkiller"? Kinda a weird name. Sounds like a name of a ship. - '''Colonel Solo [[Image:GA Roundel.svg|20px]]Galactic Alliance Gaurd 14:44, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, technically, it is the name of a ship... it's also a whole lot of other things in the GFFA, including names. However, the most prevalent use is actually from the earliest drafts of Episode IV, where Luke Skywalker was actually Luke Starkiller. 15:12, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * To be perfectly honest, I don't think that the source is accurate. Will I change it? No, it is the only lead we have. I think it is more likely to be his Sith name than his true name. But if this source did lie, there will be no one to blame but yourselves. The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 16:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Haden Blackman said 'his codename starts with S', so it makes sense. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 16:09, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This was talked about with Dan Wasson, the producer of the game. 'So there's going to be a fair bit of relationship building seen between Vader and Starkiller?'  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 16:13, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes but Wasson himself still calls Starkiller the apprentice. All I am saying is that perhaps the source never used the name Starkiller in their interview. Just a bit of healthy skepticism. But if its his name, its probably his Sith name. BTW, did you see the changes I made? The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 17:05, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've generally known them to be reliable, and they wouldn't edit their questions after the interview. Wasson never calls him 'Starkiller', but he doesn't deny it either.  (to BTW) Yes, very good.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 17:12, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright. I've never used that site before. BTW check the source for my additions. Very interesting. (P.S. I already updated Kota with this new info.) The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 17:18, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw that source earlier today and added the information to Kento's article. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 17:19, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there any information on the Apprentice's first name, or is he simply "Starkiller"? -MPK
 * So far it's just "Starkiller". Likely, more will be known eventually (Like a possible first name), but right now it's just the one name. 20:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * His last name might be Starkiller but his first name starts with J. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 02:07, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source? Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 02:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Source is the game. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 02:24, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The game isn't out yet. Where did you see it on the internet?  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 02:32, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Internet isn't the only place to get information. You know that real people are making this game ? [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 02:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It would be quite odd if they weren't. Are you saying you worked on the game/know someone else that worked on it?  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 02:38, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's what I'm saying. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 02:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * What happens in the game, then? Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 02:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I only know that Shaak Ti is killed by a Sarlaac-like creature on Felucia after a duel with "Starkiller". [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 02:47, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If you can give proof that you worked on the game, that's great then. We can't add unsourced/unverified information to Wookieepedia.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 02:53, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't want to add infos in the article. It could cause problems to someone. It's not that important to have infos right now. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 02:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "I just wanted to let you know that I got in touch with Lucasarts' Adam Kahn and was told that "“I can confirm that “Starkiller” is the Secret Apprentice’s code name in the game, but we haven’t revealed his real name.”" Source: TheForce.net --- Told ya! Now you'll have to rename the page again! [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 20:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure. What's his real name we'll be moving it to then? --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 20:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know, Secret Apprentice ? :P And wait for a real confirmation for his name, not from a random website. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 20:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, technically, Starkiller is still the name we know him as - it's still more to go off of than "Secret Apprentice". 01:05, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * We do all know that this is his CODENAME, right? Seriously, on the Gametrailers episode where they featured TFU Haden Blackman himself said it's just his codename.  So, should we change it? Darth Plagueis 01:12, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Even if it's just a codename, it's better than 'Secret Apprentice'. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 01:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I wasn't clear the first time. I meant should we change how the article says it?  I mean, doesn't the article say that it's his actual first name?  If it does, shouldn't we change it? Darth Plagueis 01:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you got a point on that. It probably should be reflected, as well as noted in the BtS. 01:47, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * So, do you guys want me to edit it, or will someone else do it? Darth Plagueis 01:50, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I already edited a long time ago. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 04:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Timing of encounter with Palpatine
Unless the Gamespot demo was out of order, Starkiller's next assignment after Nar Shaddaa (vs Kota, the first Starkiller level) is on Raxus Prime. This would mean that the scene where Palpatine tells Vader to kill Starkiller happens early on in the game, and it is in fact not the 'ultimate confrontation' mentioned on the Hasbro miniature package. Drewton  01:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * They said "the final cinematic at the end of the next level demoed. Demoed is the key word, so I find it extremely likely that they skipped several levels. I'm hoping however that there is more than one confrontation with Vader. Otherwise the game would seem very short. The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 21:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Maris Brood Redemption
Now, we all are guessing that she might be redeemed. However, has this actually been confirmed anywhere?

Darth Plagueis 10:48, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The Hasbro Battle Pack confirmed it. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 12:33, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Here we go again. I tried to argue that it was not definite canon as Hasbro has made mistakes before. But whatever. The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 20:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hasbro has made mistakes, but more minor ones than this. It's official, and canon as far as we know.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 22:14, 23 May 2008 (UTC)