Talk:Force power/Legends

The Term "Force Power"
The d6 SW RPG First Edition already calls these "force powers", so the paragraph in "behind the scenes" about the name being derived from a a computer game is wrong. I´ll leave it up to someone more versed in this to edit it, i just say my side here.

( Gorsh, unsigned )

Since the distinction between Light and Dark is chaotic, repetitive and (in the case of games) inconsistent, I propose to make a separate article about each one. This will allow to extensively discuss any problems or inconsistencies and also details about various levels etc (like in Weapons of Star Wars). This page will have only the links, with brief descriptions. 62.74.4.240 19:49, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I suggest marking powers as "universal" whenever there is a contradiction between games (universal/light, universal/dark or light/dark). Safer that way. - Sikon 10:53, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)


 * seems to me that alot of this stuff is just an interpretation of game mechanics. HavetStorm

More on Force Flight
I propose that this be moved to Core powers. Just because a chunk of the only known users are Dark Side does not make this a dark side power... LordSolus 00:51, 28 March 2007 (UTC) Force Flight is in the new Saga Edition rulebook as a talent of the Dathomiri Witches suggesting that it's not limited to Dark Side users and thusly could be considered Universal.
 * I suppose I agree with that... Darth Sarge 21:27, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * while Force Flight is not necessarily a dark side power it is rare and therefore not a Core power that everybody learns

Preminitions
Do we have an article on preminitions, like Force Vision or Force Preminition? Because if we do not, we may have a serious problem. -- SFH 22:11, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Force Vision covers premonition abilities. Gethralkin 21:34, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Typo
Did you guys know that you put Thought bomb in twice?? LordRevan 02:16, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

Which power would this be?
Which Force power is the ability to pick stuff up and hover it around? Would that just be TK? Kuralyov 18:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Telekinesis MoffRebus 19:23, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Other Powers of The Force
Has anyone noticed these "2nd powers" of the Force? For example, couldn't TK be used to make yourself fly? And isn't Battle Precognition natural for Jedi? Please give more examples. DarkWarlock999
 * Yeah, Dooku did it in Clone Wars, and I always assumed Yoda's hover platform was Force fuelled rather than mechanical. And I remember Vader doing it in the RotJ SNES video game, if that is canonical any more.
 * In Star Wars Tales of the Jedi Book #2 Dark Lords of the Sith, Near the End in a Test run of Star Saber attack ships, Dace Diath crashes and uses what the book says the Jedi power of Levitation. So here is documented proof.
 * The ROTJ NES game should never have been canon, since it almost certainly contradicts the film.

What the heck!
201.248.243.22 made a hole bunch of carzy hole changes that need to be fixed! If some one can fix this problem that would be great.p

Is force kill in KOTOR another name for force crush?
See title.

It's a more advanced version of choke, but it does essentially the same thing. It's not official until another source deems it so. So yeah,, until proven otherwise, it is.  Darth Anxor  Sith Order  02:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * They are totally distinct powers. In KotOR 2 both are presented. Force Kill has to do with strangling a person. Force Crush has more to do with imploding his bones. They should as such, be presented differently. 2Corin 517 16:38, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Farsight - Core Power?
Farsight is listed under Core Powers - that everybody learns. Excerpt from description: "Farsight was a rare Force ability."

This seems contradictory.

Also, Force Valor (Light Side) = Enhance Ability (Neutral) The descriptions are equal, and state that Force Valor is a light side ability.

The help page said something about people liking positive feedback, so I will also use this opportunity to say that the Wookiepedia as a whole, and this page, is an excellent resource. It is true!

Kormac 17:26, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Force Fight
How is it even possible for non-force users to defeat force users in one on one combat [armed or unarmed] because couldn't a jedi just lift em in the air be fore they could do anything just like in force choke.

Even if the jedi were to battle in an unarmed fight against a non-force user, they could see what the opponents next move is anyways. Therefore the Jedi or Sith have the upper-hand, but because of carelessness or something of the sort it is possible for a Jedi to lose unarmed combat. --Jedi Mike 19:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

There are intracacies to unarmed combat you might not be aware of. The battle pregognition of a Jedi or Sith is not always infalliable and dosen't just appear instantly before every attack. It comes in spurts at times, and even If a Jedi is skilled at unarmed combat, his opponant may be a very skilled and experienced Martial Artist, who may even possess greater speed, and closely matched reflexes.

There are several instances in the SW universe which highlight this fact. One such is the time Jango Fett took on a group of Jedi Knights and went beserk, killing them all with his bare hands. Traditionally, Mandalorian warriors are not Force-Sensitive at all, but that dosen't stop them from rivaling the Jedi in hand-to-hand combat.--The truth hurts... 00:31, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Other Powers
I'm putting these two together in this section only because I noticed their absence.

There were two force powers I didn't see listed at all, so I put them in.

First was what I termed "Transfer Mind". Callista did this to transfer her personage to the ship, and then to the body of that other Jedi Lady. The emperor reborn did this all the time to get into clone bodies.

The second was "cut off from the force". This is another one I made up the name for, but it seems sensible enough. The Yuuzhan Vong homeworld apparently did this to the Vong, and I believe it has happened to others as well.

These should be there, and I didn't know enough to write them Serendipitousus 22:40, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * these pages as they actually exist are Sever Force and Spirit transferenceSerendipitousus 08:10, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

What power
What was the name of the power used in Balance Point by the dark jedi (forgot the name haven't read it in awhile) that she used to create beams and slice the Vong shaper up?


 * It's Star By Star, not Balance Point, and her name is Lomi Plo. But I have no idea what the power is.--Amican 18:03, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Possible Force powers
Is it theoretically possible to use the force to rip someones arm off? Also is it possible to use 2 force powers at the same time? 159.250.23.2 16:39, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe that theoretically it is, just move his arm and his body in different direction. Using 2 different force powers at the same time would all depend on the users strength in the force.  I seem to recall at least a few books where a Jedi was force deflecting blaster bolts and opening doors at the same time. Darth Sarge 01:57, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Please direct questions of this nature to Forum:Reference desk. And to answer your question, Welk used the Force to slice a Yuuzhan Vong into small cubes in Star by Star. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Audience Chamber ) 02:32, 23 March 2007 (UTC)

I thought of something. What about using the force to add power to a saber strike. Like almost a force push behind it, surrounding the light saber with the force and then releasing it in the direction you swing you saber is kinda cool. You could send people flying with one strike.

Force Empathy?
Is it just me, or are Force Empathy and Pyschometry the same thing? I read their articles and they share most of the same points. Rymmeli Throhn 21:29, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with that, perhaps the two should be merged? Cuine100 13:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

More force powers?
I was browsing Category:Force powers and found a heck of a lot of powers not listed here. Should I add links from them to this article? Or should I not worry about it. Cuine100 13:02, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Force Resuscitation
I believe this should be removed from the list until it's light/dark side alignment can be determined. Though its effects seem to echo the light side, its motivations stem from selfishness and attachment which are paths to the dark side. Wolf hints at this and Cade acknowledges it. I will give it one week and then remove it if no logical, valid arguments are presented. Micah Giett 01:58, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Mind Trick?
In Kotor2 when you make force persuasion you get dark side shiftment. Is it a dark or light side power?

That depends on how it is used, but in all instances it is listed as a Light side power. Jedi would use it to avoid combat, whereas Sith would use it for personal gain. However, if a Sith wanted something, he'd probably use violence instead. Anyway, Light sided. Jorlyn Gunnar 19:16, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

Potentium?
This article is written as if Potentium is so.

"The Power of the Jedi Sourcebook states that the Potentium is a corrupt, misguided philosophy, and is the first canonical source to confirm this."

This article is fundamentally in-correct. Wile I am not against having the potentium views in the article, they should be alongside the conventional (and canonical) view, with the potentium labeled as such. (- -) 00:35, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Sure but is not the power of the jedi source book, meant to be guidlines for role playing as a jedi? Therefore wouldn't that jsut canonicaly be the jedis view on the subject? Correct me if I am wrong.

Missed a few.
You guy's missed a few Force Powers from this list:

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Force_powers

Core powers/darkside/lightside/universal VS Sense/Control/Alter
I think the RPG-based Sense/Control/Alter dividing would be better, becouse the folloving:

What is the source of term: core force?

Most of the powers can be used both sides, only few are strictly dark or light.

The other grouping doesn't have the uncertainity of purpose. Darth Morrt 20:42, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the dark/light powers are only game mechanism. For eample i don't think Luke used the dark side by Choking the gamorreans. The forse can be light or dark sided by the purpose, but most of the powers can be used by either side of the force. So there is no need for side-based separation of force powers. I would like to change it to RPG stile Sense/Alter/Control, because it has a better logic, but I'm waiting for some agree. Darth Morrt 11:24, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * So, as you see, I made the changes I would have liked. I've put all powers from this article to one of the areas. I've left the core/dark /light/universal powers, but i think they sould be modified to stricktly dark or light, and the universal deleted later. In my opinion universal powers term is a game mechanics of Kotor games. There are dark/light sides of the force (in don't agree with Lucas but i should), but there are not dark/light powers. It the matter of purpose. Please don't remake my changes whitout a word. Darth Morrt 21:17, 10 August 2008 (UTC)

Torpedo
I remember there being a dark side force power that completley destroyed everything in it's path and the creator put it in a torpedo. What happened to it?

Teleport
Isn't there a Force power that allows teleportation? --Xepeyon You Speak, I've Spoken 02:32, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Hello? --Xepeyon You Speak, I've Spoken 16:33, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Aing-Tii techniques have yet to be added to this article. While most appearances of "teleportation" are most likely illusions, the Aing-Tii can bend space and time to teleport items and themselves (sources Hand of Thrawn, Dark Nest, Legacy of the Force). Iurus 16:36, 4 April 2009 (UTC)
 * If you think so, add it. It's from the FoC, isn't it? It's maybe some kind of mind trick, but its only my fanfic. Darth Morrt 06:27, 10 September 2008 (UTC)

FORCE BODY???!!!
Okay now what in the heck does Force Body mean!!!??? Seriously!!! 'Use Force energy with life energy with Force energy with life energy' WHAT THE HECK!!!!!!!!!!?????????? --China Emperor 00:20, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It's from the Kotor game. You can use not only your Force points but your Vitality points as well to use the Force. Maybe the apprentice used it against the Emperor too. Darth Morrt 06:45, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

So it's with stats from the KoTOR game? Hm. Kay, TY.
 * If you think about that not like stats, it causes 'vital weakness' in the force-user. if the user overuses it, he begin to die. Darth Morrt 07:17, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly, it can also be used vice versa, kinda like a balance b/w your "Force energy" and vitality. If you get injured, the Force power can help you by "taking away from your Force energies" instead of your vitality. Cyfiero 06:10, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Control area
Shouldn't Force Jump be part of Control area? --Xepeyon You Speak, I've Spoken 02:22, 30 October 2008 (UTC) Force Jump is an aspect of telekinesis- using the Force to further one's physical strength does not usually make them able to perform the feats we've seen in the movies. Iurus 16:32, 4 April 2009 (UTC)

Force Bubble

 * I found this was missing and I was curious about it. Tahiri uses it in NJO book 16. 2Corin 517 16:38, 24 December 2008 (UTC)

Can Droids be felt through the force?
See Title. Mecenarylord 13:52, 8 February 2009 (UTC) Another fact that I read somewear is that Obi Wan new about Luke and leia being the last of the jedi, but there was one more and he could sense him but he didn't know who it was. It turned out to be a droid. no keep in mind I read this in a comic. I just thought I would let you know.
 * I think it's not a question belonging to the topic. But nothing is impossible with the force. Force is everywhere in the universe. If someone learn to separate the force around droids from the force elsewhere, he can learn to sense droids. But I don't know any canon appearence of this. Darth Morrt 18:55, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a minor conflict between TOJ and the films in that the assassin droids were not able to be sensed by the Jedi in the Old Republic of the Dark Horse comic. When Ben is training Luke on the Falcon in ANH, Luke could almost "feel" the training remote droid even with the blast shield over his eyes. In ESB, Yoda clearly was teaching Luke how to sense the force connecting the rocks, the droid, the ship, etc., which indicates that Luke could feel R2-D2 as he picked the droid up when he was doing his handstand. Gethralkin 19:12, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah. Mecenarylord 22:45, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ben Skywalker felt SD-XX through the Force on the hull of Taryn & Trista's ship when it was chasing him following Ben's escape from the Anakin Solo. Where, you may ask? Invincible (novel). —Tommy9281 Dark side Master SWGTCG.jpg ( No quarter given, all exits sealed ) 15:40, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

In KotOR II, Kreia stated clearly that you can't actually feel any usual life energy or Force energy from the droids, but you can feel the trickles of disturbance caused by the droid's movements and artificial life. Cyfiero 08:50, 28 June 2009 (UTC)