Talk:Starkiller (Secret Apprentice)/ArchiveSecret Apprentice

Plausibility
We know that even with a maximum of 20,000 Midi-chlorians a well trained Jedi would only be able to lift and throw around only so much. Vader's apprentice though has been seen to pull a Star Destroyer out of the sky. Only Nihlus has been shown to have comparable power but Nihlus also had access to some of the most esoteric Sith teachings there were, thus being one of the reasons for his level of power. Unless Vader's apprentice had access to these teachings, I don't see a reason he could have the kind of power we've seen in demos. Have the people who created the game just put that together mindlessly without even giving him a realistic reason for his power? --The truth hurts... 23:58, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there an actual good reason for Vader's apprentice having the type of power he does?
 * This is most likely the case, They think that all of the people will be happy with a powerfull character that pops up from nowhere and can suddenly take out jedi with his big bad force powers. No thought of how he gained them or how he learned;(Ivel 03:31, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It might not be that he's just extremely powerful, but that he just knows how to use it more than other Force users we've seen. He's trained by Darth Vader - the most powerful Jedi/Sith.  Drewton  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/c0/SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg/25px-SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg 12:20, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Only Human
Can we be sure he is human? Maybe he is cuztomazable.
 * I doubt it. By this time, the Empire was already Humanocentric. I doubt Vader would have an apprentice of any other species besides Human. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 11:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It's already confirmed that he will not be customisable and will be a human guy with a fixed name. Kuralyov 22:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Now we just need the name. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Dang, and I was looking forward to all the fun that came with a customizable gender (see Revan and The Exile) DAWUSS 02:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, this avoids pointless gender discussions. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 13:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Can't blame 'em for keeping the Wookieepedian's interests at heart. Though I'm sure there's going to be another game that's going to have a selectable gender that's going to bring back the flame and edit wars once again. DAWUSS 14:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Definitely. It's called KotOR III. ;) &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 14:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * His name is Drake Lo'gaan. ;) .  .  .  .  22:22, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source for that?Telos 05:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It was a joke. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 14:51, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * After what Vader did to Zonder, I doubt that would happen. ;) &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:31, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Now wait a second, after what happened in End Game, Drake apparently joining with Vader after Ekria's supposed death, it's a possibility Vader's apprentice could be Drake. It's merely a possiblity, not a probability.RushinSundaws 15:52, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 18:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Having read Drake's page, it almost seems painfully obvious that he must be Vader's apprentice. Down to the black hair and the mention of cuffs... plus the cliff-hangeresque ending of the article. I guess we'll see, won't we? Plus, I don't know why LA would be witholding the player character's name unless they really wanted it to be a surprise. --Israi 18:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I agree that a very likely candidate is Lo'gaan. But I suppose we'll find out soon enough. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Despite both Drake and Ferus supposedly turning to the Dark Side right before Force Unleashed starts, the Secret Apprentice doesn't look much like either of them. From the concept art and trailer, he is close to bald. Telos 21:36, 10 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Its not Drake. Read (or look up) Evasive Action: End Game. (At least I think thats the one.) The Secret Apprentice 01:24, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Selected from the Shadow Guards' ranks?
Do you think he may have been a Shadow Guard that showed promise to Vader? Inigo Montoya 21:45, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I doubt it. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:31, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Formerly a Jedi/Padawan?
This picture of the new Unleashed figures from Hasbro shows what is commonly referred to as a "unidentified young male Jedi" shown with other Force Unleashed characters. Given the figure's remarkable similarity to this image of the secret apprentice in Game Informer, especially in terms of what they are wearing (green-hued outfit, bared forearms, gloves, silver item on the torso), it's not a complete stretch of the imagination to say that the unidentified Jedi and the secret apprentice are one in the same. If this is the case, the fact that he is holding a blue lightsaber in the first picture may indicate that he was either a Jedi or Padawan during the Clone Wars. If you take a look at the other pictures in the same gallery, you will also notice that he is grouped in the same foursome as General Kota, the Zabrak Jedi, and Palpatine... not Vader, Juno Eclipse, and the two Shadow Guards. (Unleashed figures are, I understand, sold in sets of four.)

This may explain why so many promotional images and videos have featured the PC beating up on stormtroopers: It seems plausible that the character starts out on the run from the Empire, and only after demonstrating significant Dark Side abilities does Vader express interest in taking him as an apprentice. I would go further to speculate that General Kota is the character's Jedi master, but I have no evidence upon which to base that statement, simply my own inclinations. --Israi 18:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * In all likelihood, Vader's apprentice was a former Jedi Padawan. We just need it to be stated officially in words first. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The Apprentice is Ferus Olin, its so obvious. He looks a damn lot like him, Last of the Jedi finishes just before this starts, in Secret Weapon Ferus actually pledges himself to the Dark Side, Palps knows Vader doesn't like Ferus. Who's to say Vader doesn't fake Ferus' death and secretly make him his Apprentice? Reveals his true identity says something about helping the Galaxy get back to the way it was, and boom, there you have it. aeods
 * I don't think it's Ferus. He doesn't have the same hair, and the image of the apprentice doesn't look much like Ferus in any respects. Plus, I just can't picture Ferus working as Vader's apprentice after what he did to Roan. It seems he is learning more from Palpatine than from Vader, and I don't think Vader would train Ferus due to their past disagreements in the Jedi Order. 24.131.128.231 01:58, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It can't be Ferus, because then Palpatine would have known. Palpatine doesn't know about Vader's apprentice. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 11:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * i think you are all wrong i think it will be a new character that we dont know about and i dont think you start as a jedi if you did why would it say "Vaders Secret Apprentice" i think you can turn from the sith and become a jedi later on Mevan 17:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * We're not talking about the apprentice starting off as a Jedi in the game. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:19, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Suit
Doesn't his clothes appear similat to Revan's? Not entirely, but somewhat? Jango Fett  ( Contact a Mandalorian ) Lord Patrick 02:22, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I was thinking the same thing, actually. Throw a mask on there and, at first glance, they'd be identical. Undoubtedly, the developers are hoping to capitalize off the immense success of KOTOR and the popularity of Revan. Fans love mysterious, ridiculously powerful Sith characters in robes. --Israi 17:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh goodness.. I just hope this game doesn't inspire the hordes of retarded fanboys to claim Revan can beat Mr Sidious (Most powerful Sith Lord, per NEC and DE sourcebook) since this guy can (possibly). As if KOTOR II didn't ruin his character enough with "Revan is teh best as everything lolz!" and "Revan became a Sith 2 save teh Galaxy!1!1". Don't get me wrong, though, I like Revan, and his fashion sense is matched only by Vader's. But let's face it, Star Wars started with such a Sith. Lord Patrick 01:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I suppose one of the non-canonical endings will be with Vader's apprentice killing Palpatine. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 02:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I'm concerned about. This guy summed it up well (not me); http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?showtopic=46185&pid=748784&mode=threaded&start=#entry748784
 * Remember, there's only one canonical ending, which won't result in the apprentice becoming more powerful than Vader or Palpatine. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 02:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I know. It just that if this guy COULD defeat Palpy, that opens the door for idiot fanboys to claim that Revan/other fanboy idol could too. But I'm sorry for going off topic. Let's get back to the article. Lord Patrick 03:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * One last thing: Where did this "Revan's ability = this apprentice's ability" come from? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's more that, as Architect put it, if this man can kill Palpy/Vader, then fanboys will claim Revan can too, since based on game mechanics, this guy seems to roughly have the same abilities. Lord Patrick 21:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Let's not assume too much now. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:03, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * We have to remember this game will not be a RPG Kal-El
 * No offense, but what does that have to do with this discussion? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 00:34, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess I just don't see why it would matter if Revan could or could not theoretically beat Palpatine. That's like pondering whether Alexander the Great was a better general than George Patton. Why does it matter? It doesn't. Even if Revan could have beaten Palpatine, he didn't. Period. Their relative power is totally irrelevant to either character or to their real accomplishments. --Israi 18:58, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, this entire topic has become irrelevant. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 00:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm curious as to whether or not this guy is going to be a *descendant* of Revan, igniting a fire for the whole "Revan and Bastila had a baby" crowd... DAWUSS 00:35, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh my God... Enough with this pointless discussion. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 00:36, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

This is a game that shows another veiw of the force. In this game, every force-user has jacked up powers. Can't wait to see vader's powers :). Heck, the force could have been like this the whole time in the star wars universe, its just that the last-gen video games were limited, actors don't have the force, and visual effects can only go so far in movies. --216.210.97.69 23:05, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Apparently, he's not a Sith
Taken from the Gamespot coverage "We had to get especially nerdy and ask how Darth Vader could take on an apprentice when he is himself the Sith apprentice to Emperor Palpatine. While your character is plenty evil-looking and wields a red lightsaber, company reps were quick to point out that he isn't a Sith at all." --LightWarden 04:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Dark Jedi, then. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 11:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Either that or a Dark Side Adept or whatever the heck you call those people... DAWUSS 14:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, by definition, he was both a Dark Side Adept and a Dark Jedi. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay. According to the rule of two, he can't "officially" be a Sith. But according to that rule, Darth Vader can't have an apprentice. He broke the rule. Just like the Emperor did with Mara Jade (etc.). So come on. Do we have to call every evil Force-wielder who's not part of the current official couple a "Dark Jedi?" This dude's Darth Vader's apprentice. He's Sith. Unless he's got the "Darth" title, he's not a Sith Lord, but he's still a Sith. He's apprenticed to a Sith Lord, not to a "Dark Jedi Master." Therefore, he's not a "Dark Jedi." He's a Sith. A "Dark Jedi" is a Jedi who turned evil. Typically, they use both light-side and dark-side abilities because they were trained as Jedi, so that's what they know. A Sith is someone who was trained by a Sith Lord. I'm so sick of people sticking the label "Dark Jedi" on every non-good force-user. Unless you were apprenticed to a Jedi Master, you are not a Jedi. You're not a light Jedi. You're not a dark Jedi. You're not a black Jedi or a mauve Jedi. I don't care what the video game company says. We know better. If you're apprenticed to a Sith Lord, you're a Sith. End of story.--Thorvindr 12:11, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Uh... does anyone think Darth Vader really cares about the rule of two? Seriously, since when did he start respecting rules? *cough*padme*cough* User:imperialscouts
 * People, this is just like all of Vader's other apprentices, including Lumiya: he can train them all he wants, but unless an ordination into the Sith Order takes place, as we saw with Anakin in Palpatine's office in Revenge of the Sith, these apprentices are not Sith. Training does not automatically make a Sith, though it is a huge part of it. It's that ordination, or knighting, that makes a Sith. The same rule applies to the Jedi. 24.3.94.134 22:26, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Does Tao fit in with this?
Tao Even though the article, at this point, is considered of dubious canonicity, how does Tao fit in with this? Tao was a former Jedi who was taken by Vader to become his apprentice. While it was in Star Wars Manga 1 and Star Wars Manga 2, I'm not sure if this conflicts or not. User: Mak Manto

I'm guessing that Vader could have taken another apprentice after this one died. Perhaps the canonical ending is that Sidious/Vader eventually kills him.

Uh. Ferus? Ok.
There is almost no evidence that the apprentice is Ferus... there is just as much evidence, if not more, that the character is Drake Lo'gaan. We also have no idea at what point between the rise of the Empire and the Battle of Yavin that FU is actually set, so there is no way to know whether or not a certain book is set "just before" the game.

It is also implied that Vader's apprentice is secret from the emperor, which contradicts what we know about Ferus, who is said to serve Palpatine. More importantly, none of these theories are anything but fan speculation. I am removing the bit about the possibility of the apprentice being Ferus. It isn't even written well, for pete's sake. Israi 00:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If you actually read up, and saw what I'd said in the discussion page, you'd see I suggested that Vader fakes a confrontation with Ferus upon realising Ferus knows his identity (Master of Deception) and make Palpatine believe Ferus is dead. Ferus is teetering on the edge of the Dark Side, and he needs just a slight push from Vader, and he would fall. Several official time lines (Timeline Gold, etc.) have TFU as set just after the final book of the LOTJ series. Aeods 23:59, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

ORRR your harsh, but I agree User:Kami-Sama
 * Yeah, it's just speculation. It doesn't belong here. I personally am thinking it might be a totally new character. Maybe he becomes Darth Krayt (seriously, how weird would that be)!! Chack Jadson 19:20, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Extremely weird. User:Kami-Sama

I was just about to say, it is possible that he IS Ferus. Read the most recent Last of the Jedi book. Spoiler:He becomes Palpatine's apprentice. Is it possible he's transferred over to Vader?--1upD 21:17, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * As I said before, it is clear from what little we know of the game that this is Vader's secret apprentice, who is supposed to help Vader overthrow the emperor, who is supposed to go so far to concealing his identity that he even kills Imperial witnesses. Every indication is that this guy is a secret from Palpatine.--Israi 16:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

perhaps it's a bran new character User:Kami-Sama


 * Um, a date (ABY/BBY) for the novel based on the game is set, meaning a date for the game is set, and that date is just after the Last of the Jedi series finishes. Ferus joins the Empire in The Secret Weapon, and the Apprentice looks a lot like Ferus. Vader faking Ferus' death would wipe him from Palpatine's radar when he has people like Drake Lo'gan he could be potentially melding. Vader trains Ferus in secret, perhaps revealing he was Anakin, and hates the Empire just as much as Ferus. Ferus believes him, and together, Vader trains Ferus to be his secret weapon. Aeods 12:50, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Or we stop speculating and wait until the game comes out. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Your all stoopid. It's prefectly obvoius that Vador's Aprrentiz is Kyle Kattarn, and he iz the direct decedant of Dath Raven and Batsila. DUH!!!Thorvindr 12:19, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Keep all pointless comments off of talk pages. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 16:30, 28 June 2007 (UTC)
 * We should just wait to see his name in the game, I mean come on, You guys aren't always correct (take Jacen Solo and Darth Krypt for an example)KKR 03:51, 24 July 2007 (UTC)KKR
 * CAN WE STOP THE STUPID SPECULATION ALREADY? Jeez, take it to your talk pages. User:imperialscouts

Jal Shey Neophyte Armor
i was playing kotor 2 and noticed his armour resembles Jal Shey Neophyte Armor User:Kami-Sama
 * And what does this have to do with Vader's apprentice? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 14:24, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Jack, the armor is similar. Although it really is useless information. Chack Jadson 14:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Chack, the comment posted by Kami-Sama gives the incorrect impression that Vader's apprentice was in KotOR II. That's why I said what I said. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 14:35, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh. Sorry then. I interpreted it differently. Chack Jadson 14:37, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * What i'm sayin is that vaders apprentice's armour could of been inspired by the jal shey neophyte armor.
 * P.S i hate u all


 * If you hate us so much, why did you bother posting? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:16, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

cus i can User:Kami-Sama
 * Rofl, 10 for maturity  Stake black   msg 19:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

thnk u User:Kami-Sama
 * One for spelling. Jasca Ducato 22:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * And a 10 for ability to recognize sarcasm.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Sith_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:05, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, this has turned into a great discussion. How nice of you to point out that Vader's apprentice's clothing resembles jal shey neophyte armor, Kami-Sama. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:22, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

1 image for now
Thanks jSarek. Maybe we should start a CT on this, but when an article is clearly too small to fit more than one image, ie when an image is next to or immediately below the infobox, or if an image is tacked on to the bottom of the article and looks isolated, then IMO we sould just stick to the one best image. --Azizlight 11:38, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The image is still there so heres a consensus. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 11:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Keep the image at the bottom

 * 1) We have an image; therefore, we should use it. In addition, it's at the bottom, where it doesn't interfer with anything. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:21, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Remove the image at the bottom
It looks sort of like the video game version of Cin Dralag without a pony tail.-Darth Homer 04:07, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 1)  Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 11:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Azizlight 11:47, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Jedimca0 (Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 12:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Terrible angle. 159.250.23.2 Darth Metus 18:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) For now. -- Ozzel 18:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Lord Hydronium 22:28, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Good lord. Does that mean we should plonk in every image of the Apprentice that we have? Thefourdotelipsis 22:33, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Uggllyyy. Chack Jadson 01:17, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) Too random there  Stake black   msg 15:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Comments
We'll also have to decide which image to use. I think I like the one currently at the bottom. --Azizlight 11:47, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Minus Azizlight, I don't see anyone trying to come up with a compromise. This issue can be solved with a compromise, that is, if anyone else tried to make one. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:26, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The only way i can see two images fit on this page is if we call in Erik Pflueger to expand the text. :-P --Azizlight 22:49, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Or we put in every image we have of Vader's apprentice into a gallery at the bottom of the article, as I had suggested. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 14:45, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sloppy. Do more with less. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 15:17, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Images. Supplement. Text. Thefourdotelipsis 22:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Images. Are. Used. To. Make. The. Article. Look. Better. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 23:09, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No, they aren't, as that would not be Fair Use. They must convey information, i.e. supplement the text, not merely provide aesthetic value. jSarek 23:41, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * So we're just going to remove an image just because it's at the bottom of the article. Well, then, I guess there's more articles with pictures at the bottom of them that need to be removed. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 23:43, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sometimes those images aid in conveying information for text further up the page. I don't know if this particular image does or not (hence, I haven't yet voted), but I wanted to nip misconception itself in the bud. jSarek 23:45, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, according to everyone who left a comment on their vote, they want it removed just because they don't like where it is. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 23:47, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Images can be *excluded* for aesthetic reasons, but need a Fair Use rationale to be *included*. jSarek 23:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess it doesn't matter anymore. Go ahead and remove the image and unlock the page. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 23:57, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Done and done. Hopefully, the article will be expanded soon enough to justify the image's placement. jSarek 00:26, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Move to "Secret Apprentice"?

 * That's what the character is being called here, as well as here. jSarek 07:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. If something without a defined name (such as this character) is mentioned somewhere in official publications (such as the links provided), "Secret Apprentice" has more canon bearing than "Vader's Apprentice". Even though we do know he's Vader's apprentice. Jorrel [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Fraajic 08:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * How about Vader's secret apprentice? It's more specific this way. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 11:16, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Let's just keep it under the name it's under until they release a canon name. Unit 8311 19:57, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * By "name it's under", I assume you mean "Vader's apprentice". &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:18, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do. Unit 8311 10:10, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Good. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 11:04, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think moving it wouldn't be a good idea. Let's wait until his canon name is confirmed. - TopAce (Talk) 20:33, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * HEY!!!! His name was Darth' Vader's SEEKER Apprentice, not secret. thats what the producer said in an interview on X-Play. I just saw it, they showed one of his pictures and it said Darth Vader's Seeker Apprentice. Say it like it is... Or it was. 02:38, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * . --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 13:44, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * ... &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 14:20, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yea I saw those. Everywhere else says Secret. That's why I mentioned this. For some reason, he was written as Seeker apprentice. BTW, Jack, whats with the sigh? :( Say it like it is... Or it was. 17:54, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought you were serious about making it "Vader's seeker apprentice". Hence the sigh. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 23:18, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No, no. I was trying to say that Blackman called him Seeker on X-Play. [[Image:XEPE.JPG|150px]] Say it like it is... Or it was. 15:02, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that Secret Apprentice will do for now, until his name is released. Darth Revan 5873 23:10, 15 January 2008 (UTC)Darth Revan 5873

New image
someone should put the images from the game informer that covers this. in particular the one where he uses the force to extend his lightsaber cuttin an AT-AT in half, and when he uses the force to cause a ISD to crashland on a planetTyber Zann 15:09, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * We don't have enough room. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Overthrow Palpatine?
Vader hoped to use him to eventually overthrow Emperor Palpatine...Where did this come from? Does any source say this? I've already tagged it for sourcing in the article, but could somebody clarify where this comes from? It doesn't sound like the sort of thing Vader would do... Unit 8311 20:38, 16 June 2007 (UTC) 2007 (UTC)
 * "It doesn't sound like the sort of thing Vader would do". You might want to watch The Empire Strikes Back, then, especially the part when Vader tells Luke that if he joins him, they could overthrow Palpatine and rule the Galaxy. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:15, 16 June
 * Or you could watch Revenge of the Sith where Anakin tells Padme he could defeat the Emperor so they could rule the galaxy together.- Darth Homer 03:51, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Whether Vader would want to overthrow the Emperor or not is beside the point. I'm asking where this comes from. A link to something would do just fine. Unit 8311 20:50, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * "Whether Vader would want to overthrow the Emperor or not is beside the point". Why, if you're the one who said Vader wouldn't do such a thing in the first place? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 23:55, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The point of the question is what source says that Vader intended to use this apprentice to overthrow Palpatine. For all we know, he could have been simply using him to exterminate the Jedi and then kill him himself. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 00:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That could be true. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 14:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Redemption makes a good point. In Dark Lord, Vader is shown to have much more interest than Palpatine in killing the remaining Jedi. Unit 8311 14:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Then the best bet for now is to simply remove it. I'll do so now. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 14:55, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Good. Unit 8311 15:04, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The game will most likely answer the question of whether or not Vader intended to replace Palpatine. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 15:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Any more information you guys. If not you'll have more when you do I like Vader's Apprentice, he looks awwwwsssom!--Joncdoyle 13:44, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

On one of the things I saw, I think I saw you could make choices, kind of like mercinaries or some thing (I guess), is that true.--Joncdoyle 14:35, 20 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, I thought I should mention that in the official game site, under the Apprentice's biography, it states that it's Vaders' hope that he will help him overthrow Palps. --Sauron18 08:02, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Empire magazine...
In a recent issue celebrating SW's 30th anniversary, Empire film magazine claimed that this guy was a youngling spared by Vader at the Jedi temple massacre. Do any other source state this? Unit 8311 16:09, 25 June 2007 (UTC)


 * I highly doubt this information was canon. However, it seems that he was Vader's prisoner in some way, when it shows art clips [| on the official game site] of the Apprentice in chains with Vader standing behind him.StarWarsDude 01:47, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Apprentice's Elastic Gender
we have pre vis footage of a male human and a female human "unleashing" if you will, that to me, tells me its gonna be a new characer ala jadenn korr, who can morph female/male within cannnonicity.

75.82.33.161
 * I'm pretty sure the female you refer to is a separate character and not Vader's apprentice. I believe Vader's apprentice can only be male in the game. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 01:08, 27 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, you have to remember that that trailer was just to show the concept of the game; just what they were aiming for. It had nothing to do with the plot. Toasty McGrath 23:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)

Customizable Saber style
Will you be able to choose whether the Apprentice uses Jar'Kai, a saberstaff, and a single lightsaber?--Jedi Kasra 09:50, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Teemto 14:10, 1 August 2007
 * Since it's pretty sure that the apprentices gender and species will not be customable I doubt that his lightsaber style will be either, but who knows ;D


 * It should probably be mentioned that he has a distinctive underhand lightsaber style though. Look at the way he holds his lightsaber.  Has anyone else used it that way?  Is there a name for this style?  Jedigeneral
 * Thats the style Adi Gallia used. The style is called Shien, and the Shien article mentions that the Apprentice might use it. 141.154.164.67 02:40, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You know, the Jedi sure don't have a lot of imagination in naming lightsaber styles. They have 2 Shiens, 2 Nimans, etc.  Anyway, maybe something should be said about the lightsaber style on his page. Jedigeneral
 * No; not until we have confirmation. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 00:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Doesn't Vos use that sort of style often? It sure looks like it in a lot of the comics. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 03:17, 20 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Adi's Shein is not the same as the Form V version. It is merely the art of holding the saber with a reversed grip. It gives an unorthodox spin on a form. It is not a true form of saber combat. It is observed than many Form IV and Form V apply this discipline. It's not really some super secret advanced form that few know. Some use it more than others but it is not special. You merely reverse your grip...that is it. I am amused that we pretend to not know when we really do from simply observing the Secret Apprentice fighting. It truly is amusing. "We can't know for sure...." yes we can. It's like with Aayla Secura...only one pic in a guide book illustrates her using a Form V opening stance, yet in every depiction of her fighting, she uses Form IV. Yet people want to put alot of weight into one single depiction when really opening stances tell you nothing about the form someone uses. Plus it truly doesn't matter what form who uses and what not...each Jedi learn the basics for each form, and usually pick one that fits their personality, and focus on mastery of that form. All in all...why not wait until the game comes out before we put anything about the lightsaber form...will it really kill us to wait? When, and if it is confirmed, we need not put "might" when it is acutely obvious that he, in fact, does use the style. It is intellectually insulting. Darth Byss 13:48, 25 September 2007 (UTC)

Darth
Will the name that currently cant be stated be one of the established future Darths.Darth Tenebrous, Darth Karnage, or Darth Desolous. KickAssJedi 07:45, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I doubt it very much. Unit 8311 07:49, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Vader's apprentice isn't a Sith, so he wouldn't officially have a "Darth" name. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:08, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * He is a Sith Apprentice, IIRC. And wasn't Darth Maul a Sith while Darth Plagueis was still alive? VT-16 14:16, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No, IIRC Plagueis was dead when Sidious recruited Maul. Unit 8311 15:22, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * VT: He's not a Sith apprentice. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 16:59, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually Darth Sidious's articlee states that he was secretly training maul BEFORE he killed plaugeis, so it is possible.-KickAssJedi 11:53, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Vader's apprentice to Vader is like Maul to Palpatine&mdash;they're both unofficial Sith apprentices being trained by their masters to become their actual Sith apprentices when their masters' masters are killed. In the end, Maul becomes an actual Sith apprentice when Palpatine kills Plagueis. The same can't be said for Vader's apprentice. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:36, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Just like Jerec is not called Darth Jerec.-Darth Homer 03:39, 16 August 2007 (UTC)"
 * It's weird really. I see it like this, he's "a Sith apprentice" - in that he is being taught the ways of the Sith - but he's not "The Sith Apprentice" (who is also a Dark Lord of the Sith in Bane's order). We've seen that both Palps and Vader are the sort to play a little fast-and-loose with the Rule of Two... so perhaps Vader could interpret Bane's command as "there should be only two Dark Lords of the Sith" or something? It's an incorrect interpretation, but that's how these things go - and besides he's already *broken* the rule of two by teaching the kid all of this stuff (Bane didn't say, "there should only be two "official" Sith. He said there should be only two who know the ways of the Sith, period."), so maybe he'll give him a Darth name 'n all. I can quite easily see the SA being "Darth Desolous"... he is a "Force wrecking ball" after all.  But yeah, who knows? Continuity wise it's a bit "meh", but in terms of getting the general public to think "cool, I'm playing a Darth!" it works.  You never know what they'll do. (Ulicus 09:07, 4 October 2007 (UTC))

eye and hair color
I'd like to know who added the eye and hair color and why they did so. For one thing, his hair appears to be light brown in this image, and in any case we cannot be sure whether it is black or brown until we get better-quality images. Second, I have yet to see an image clear or close enough to actually show a verifiable eye color. So I suggest we remove these items until we can verify them with a greater degree of certainty. Israi 20:42, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Uh, I don't see the apprentice in the image you provided. Besides, from what I've seen, his hair looks to be black and his eyes to be brown. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:21, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * He is on the bottom, second from the left. It is obviously him from the way he is dressed and the fact that he has ankle cuffs, plus the mere fact that he is packaged with other Force Unleashed characters. And I doubt you have seen any more images of him than I have and he appears to me to have dark brown hair, and it is completely impossible to tell the color of his eyes from any of them. It may very well turn out that his hair is supposed to be black and his eyes brown, but at this point it's clearly just speculation on our part and I think it should be removed from the article until we can verify it. Israi 00:16, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) The figure you are incorrectly referring to as the Secret Apprentice is a figure of Maris Brood. Even if you meant second from the right, that figure doesn't look like the apprentice. 2) The Secret Apprentice has appeared in at least one trailer, and I see black hair and brown eyes on the apprentice in that trailer. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:39, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, you're right, I was actually referring to the second from the right. And if you've really looked very closely at him in the trailers and so on, you would notice that he is wearing the exact same outfit, from the gloved hands and bare forearms to the metal shoulder-cover things, the greenish color, the knee-length jacket, and so on. It doesn't take a brain surgeon to deduce that this figure, packaged with Kota and Mariss Brood and Palps, is the Secret Apprentice. And like I've said before, I've seen the same trailers and images you have, and they are nowhere near good enough in quality to show that his hair is anything other than generically dark, and there is nothing you can tell about his eyes. The screencap featured in the bottom of the article right now represents the best image we've seen of the Apprentice in action and there is no way to tell the color of his eyes from it, nor say for certain whether his hair is black or just some shade of brown. Israi 01:06, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * That figure doesn't look like the apprentice at all. In all likelihood, it's some other Jedi that's in the game that hasn't been introduced yet. And as I said before, the trailer shows that his hair is black and his eyes are brown. Perhaps you haven't seen all the images and trailers I have. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 11:05, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Just because I enjoy being right, I thought I'd post this link which proves that the figure is, actually, the Secret Apprentice... with light brown hair. Oh snap. Israi 04:54, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Vaders Apprentice Redeemed
In the Star wars minis set the force unleashed, there is a piece with the above name. shoudl this go into the article?

Shaak Ti
I read in a magazine that the apprentice has to face Shaak Ti. Does anyone know if he kills her?Maxi6 14:09, 25 November 2007 (UTC)Maxi6
 * No, none of us knows. -LtNOWIS 14:12, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

OK, thanks.Maxi6 00:34, 6 December 2007 (UTC)Maxi6

Shaak Ti is killed on Felucia by a Sarlacc-like creature.
 * Source? --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 17:26, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * And until you can provide a source, please do not add that information to the Shaak-Ti article. - JMAS 17:47, 31 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I know its not proof, but on Gamespot there is concept art of the Apprentice watching Shaak Ti fleeing a Sarlacc. Looks like he could be right. The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 19:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Overpowered?
Doesnt the apprentice seem a bit overpowered? The official trailer for the game shows him bringing an entire star destroyer down and stopping it just before it hits him. Even Yoda is shown in Episode II to exert a fair amount of effort just keeping that metal cylinder from falling on Obi-wan and anakin, so how is it that the apprentice can pull down a ship weighing thousands of times more than that cylinder? Jillopi 15:17, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Actually, he just altered it's course. he made it angle towards the ground, and it crashed. yoda did something similar in the clone wars cartoon, which is canon. He is not really overpowered, it's just we arent used to seeing the kind of things the force can really do, because the movies can't really show that. imagine trying to make force speed or force repulce look realistic in a movie! George says that this is what the force is really like, and they use it this way in the books, which are canon.

Just to Add The star destroyer isnt in orbit it is in the planets atmosphere meaning it had gravity against its engines so it would be using all its capacity to keep it flying, it didnt require a great deal of force power to pull it down, the thrusters and gravity did the rest, and as the clip shows the apprentice used/struggled more energy to stop it crushing him than he did to pull it off course

Can someone change that he didn't pull the destroyer out of the air, but that he made it angle downward and slowed it down when it hit the ground, instead of saying he pulled it out of the air? cause he didn't.--216.210.97.64 21:25, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry to but into an old topic but it has been stated several times in starwars it's not the size that matters but concentration and faith to do it! ~ Awar 13:44, 30 March 2008 (UTC).


 * Still I agree with this guy, can someone add it please.

Confusing sentence
"Though it is unlikely, Vader suspected that his apprentice would fall in love with the pilot."

Could someone please clarify this statement? Is it unlikely that Vader suspected his apprentice would fall in love with the pilot, or unlikely that the apprentice would fall in love with the pilot? I'm not sure either can be proven from what we know about the game now, but in any case this sentence needs to be edited for clarity. Israi 04:47, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

It's unknown if Vader knows or suspects his apprentice to fall in love with the pilot. However, the Apprentice DOES have a love interest in the pilot. This was stated by Lucas as one of the conditions of the game. --Sionas 10:42, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

Similarities to Assassins Creed

 * Is it just me, or is he almost the same character model as Altair, except different colored robes?

Only the hood looks similar, and there are customizable costumes he gets after each level. And his hood dosn't cover as much of his face.

Father

 * In one of the cheat codes enclosed with Hasbro's unleashed battlepacks, it says that if you enter the word wookiee, you will get his father's costume. So the father might be someone we already know. Right?JediBob 22:11, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I was browsing the Rebelscum forums, and according the the packaging of the Secret Apprentice Evolutions set, his father was a fallen Jedi. Now we have to wait and see what is meant by 'fallen'... Sith Alchemy 101 22:12, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * RebelTrooper1138, of Rebelscum, has noted that the SA may be the son of Dooku. I like this theory, and support it's plausibility. 63.64.127.15 21:57, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Name
Do we even know if he has a name? or is it going to be like Knights of the Old Republic?JediBob 22:11, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
 * He indeed has a name; they're just not ready to reveal it yet. Tam 10:03, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

here is another tidbit from the VANITY FAIR article:

>The prologue allows the gamer to play Darth Vader, who has gone to Kashyyyk, the Wookiee home planet, to hunt down a recalcitrant Jedi.

So speculation that this renegade Jedi is Quinlan Vos seems spot on especially considering that the leader of the team designing the video game is Haden Blackman who has written several Star Wars: Republic comics and Quinlan was last seen on Kashyyyk.

In addition, this also lends substantial credence to the notion that Vader's Secret Apprentice is Korto Vos. It is conceivable that Vader hunts down and kills Quinlan only to find Quinlan's child Korto, and raises the boy as his own, twisted apprentice.

You heard it hear first.

IDAHO


 * There is one glaring problem with the apprentice as Korto Vos, though. Korto Vos was born in 18 BBY, making him the same age as Luke Skywalker. Since Force Unleashed is presumably set very shortly after the birth of the Empire, and in any case before the Battle of Yavin, this would make the secret apprentice rather ridiculously young, no older than his mid-teens, during the game. Israi 03:11, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

and "While he does Vader's bidding, he discovers clues to his long buried past and must choose which path he is to follow" JediBob 01:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC) 76.21.31.237 19:47, 3 March 2008 (UTC)I know this is really out there but could he possibly be Kad/Venku from the Republic Commando books. It just came up when I was rereading True Colors.
 * I just read the following in Star Wars Insider: "For much of the video game's story, the apprentice doesnt even have a name"
 * I seriously doubt that the apprentice will turn out to be someone who's been seen before. -MPK 21:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I bet that he will be either someine we've never seen before or have seen very little of. However, I bet his father will be a familiar face, i.e. Vos, or Dooku. Because the cheat code to use his father's costume doesnt make much sense if the father isnt someone we know. The Secret Apprentice 20:48, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I found this picture of Ferus Olin and his armor looks a LOT like the apprentice's!

JediBob 17:56, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism
I can't see anything wrong with the page. Darth Oompa Loompa 19:41, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * That's because the vandalism has been reverted. It's protected so as to prevent any more vandalism. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 19:44, 7 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Was it an Fanboy Edit War vandalism or just standard vandalism? DAWUSS 03:39, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Rahm's pupil
I'm a lot confused here, guys. When I've read that one of the Apprentice's masters was Rahm Kota, does that mean that he was his mentor before the raid of the Jedi Temple was attacked or is it when he gets redeemed? 72.82.4.177 03:27, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Curious...
Has anyone else noticed that in the "Evolutions" set featuring the Apprentice, that the mask he wears for the so-called "Sith Lord" figure of him looks an awful lot like Revan's, if in appearance only. Could also be a dead Mandalorians.--Zhran 03:29, 1 March 2008 (UTC)

Uniforms
Alright, I might be a bit off here, but it seems to me that the Sith Apprentice has two Jedi uniforms and two Sith uniforms. One with a green saber and one with the red. After looking over the miniatures, I noted that he also seems to hold a purple lightsaber. Think it's posssible he turned to the Dark Side and - while uncovering his past - becomes a Light Sider again? I won't go so far as to say a Jedi. --Sionas 10:48, 16 March 2008 (UTC)

New infobox image
I uploaded a new infobox image which is a higher quality version of the old one.Drewton 14:59, 21 March 2008 (UTC)Drewton

New PSP magazine information
The new PSP magazine has revealed that the Apprentice's parents were both Jedi. His mother died while defending Kashyyyk from Trandoshan slavers, and his father is killed by Darth Vader, which was also revealed in the Hasbro Evolutions set.

In the comic preview, the Apprentice's first task is to eliminate Rahm Kota, a 'blind drunk'.Drewton 15:37, 21 March 2008 (UTC)Drewton


 * Can you provide a link to that, or the name of the particular magazine? By the way, all you have to do is use the four tildes, and you'll have signed your name.--Zhran 01:14, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know the specific name, but it's in the latest PS3 (Play Station 3) magazine. It's being discussed here on TheForce.net: http://boards.theforce.net/literature/b10003/26155319/p154

Thanks, before I was doing four tildes and my username. I wasn't sure why my name was appearing twice...Drewton 03:03, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Secret Apprentice in Sith Lord costume
Would this picture work for the behind the scenes section? It's taken from the Hasbro Evolutions set. Drewton 13:56, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Canon fate
I listened to a Force Unleashed BTS preview online last night and it said that there would be a chance for redemption. Since each video game ending is light side canon, shouldn't we put the Apprentice as a redeemed Jedi and put the Jedi info box here? 68.14.140.120 21:34, 25 March 2008 (UTC) The Apprentice is eventually trained by a Jedi Master, who he helps regain his connection to the Force, and helps Maris Brood seek redemption. It sounds like, even if he isn't ultimately light side, he'll at least be doing some light side things and acting more like a Jedi. Drewton http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/c0/SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg/25px-SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg 00:14, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No. Automatic light side ending for every game is an unfounded assumption. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 22:27, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's been confirmed that the canonical ending is light side, but I don't think we should change the infobox to a Jedi one until after the game is released.Drewton 01:05, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * "Confirmed"? Since when?-MPK 02:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't have a link right now, but I remember for sure that I read it as the canonical ending. The writers have also said that the theme of TFU is redemption.Drewton 13:37, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * REDEMPTION THEME DOES NOT MEAN HE IS REDEEMED. The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 19:46, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd like to hear someone official actually say if he's light-sided or not, rather than people saying that they don't have sources for what they just said. Besides, how do we know if the player gets any choices at all? -MPK
 * I thought I remembered seeing it confirmed on another game site, but haven't been able to find it again and agree that we shouldn't change it unless we know/find a source. But it been confirmed that you can make choices.  Even in the Force Unleashed article on here it says 'The choices that the player makes will affect the outcome of the game resulting in several alternate endings including the "true" (canon) ending'.Drewton 22:31, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but canon is canon and redemption is redemption, dudes. Take my advice: Pre-order the books or the video-game and you would see for yourself about which side he takes. It's always the best choice so far here. 68.14.140.120 19:39, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. It's interesting, though, that though Hasbro made a Jedi and Sith version of him, Wizards of the Coast only made a Jedi version, not a Sith version, which I don't think they'd do if the Sith one was the canonical version.Drewton 21:52, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Vader's stepson
Since Vader thought he had no children, I suppose he took the Apprentice as if he were his son when he was a baby. Couldn't we say that? 131.109.225.3 20:58, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No, since we're not allowed to make random shit up. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 21:03, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Quinlan Vos
Is there a possability that this is Quin's son? His parents lived with the wookies last we heard so did quin, I think it is a possability. Ivel 01:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It was sad that the Apprentice's parents were new characters to Star Wars in the PS3 magazine, so it's not likely.Drewton 13:28, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

Father's name confirmed
His father's robes were previously only known as 'Secret Apprentice's Father's Robes', but the new 'The TFU Experience' video has revealed the name for the robes as 'Kento's Robes'. It's about a fourth of the way through the video, in the Duel Mode character selection screen. Drewton 15:52, 4 April 2008 (UTC)