Talk:Anakin Skywalker/Legends

Early talk
After seeing Episode III, it comes to my attention that if Anakin was created by the manipulation of midichlorians, then from what Palpy told Anakin about Darth Plagueis, we can assume that its possible that Sidious did the conceiving through the Force. Any others who agree with this idea, which now seems apparent after that speech. -- Riffsyphon1024 00:34, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Except that Darth Plagueis never taught his apprentice the power to create life, as we later learn from Sidious; Palpatine was lying to gain Anakin's favor. Now, it is entirely possible that Plagueis concieved of Anakin to replace his apprentice (and this is more directly stated in earlier drafts of the film.)--Eion 05:59, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I like the theory that Plagueis created Anakin. – Aidje talk 17:01, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * When he said create life, he was likely refering to the skill Palpatine used to transfer his mind/persona from clone body to clone body. --SparqMan 17:04, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but this is not what GL intended in his earlier scripts, and the later scripts just saw the removal of the direct refence, leaving us with this sideways inference.--Eion 17:26, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I say Plagueis created him, and Sids found out, killing Plagueis and using Anakin for his own. Poor Ani, a tool of the Dark Side since before he was born. --Fade 17:28, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think you can really say when he intended without him saying so. Either way, it's pure conjecture, so let's keep it out of the article. --SparqMan 18:00, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's anything wrong with mentioning that it's a possibility, just so long as it's not stated as fact. – Aidje talk 18:24, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree --Fade 18:28, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Ok, this I found this sentence in the article interesting: Unbeknownst to Anakin, Luke and Leia Skywalker were conceived during this period. Does any of this make sense? How can he not know about his kid's conceivement? Makes it sound like they were conceived through the force too, but cmon, he and Padme must have had some action. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:00, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm sure he knows how babies are made, and remembers that he did such an act, but i think its trying to say that he was unaware of the conception until Padme later told him she was pregnant in ROTS. QuentinGeorge 08:26, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

if you watch the end of ROTS Padme is laid to rest looking like she never gave birth, it's also in the book as well, the Jedi did this so Anakin would not look for his kids.

General? Since when did Anakin become one? I thought that he was a commander. 218.208.204.11 11:24, 6 June 2005 (UTC) I also agree that Plageuis may have created Anakin to replace palp, but never got the chance.Purplesaber 42
 * When he was a padawan he was referred to as commander or lieutenant. When he was knighted, like all full Jedi, he became a General. Don't believe me? Check the ROTS ICS. It specifically says that the Open Circle fleet that you see in the beginning of ROTS is led by "Generals Kenobi and Skywalker" QuentinGeorge 12:40, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * You never know,He may have been promoted to General right before theGreat Jedi Purge.
 * Maybe. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:39, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The New Essential Chronology specifically states that Anakin was created by Plageuis and/or Palpatine (although it does have some inaccuracies such as indicating Darth Traya and Kreia were different people. Here is the specific quote:

''Palpatine-under the Sith name Darth Sidious-learned dark side traditions from Plagueis, but grew concerned over his Master's stated intentions to create life from nothing. The child that resulted from this Force miracle, Plagueis insisted, would be the living embodiment of the Force itself-and at that moment, Sidious knew his Master was discussing Sidious's replacement. Soon after, Sidious killed Darth Plagueis in his sleep. The work necessary to create a Force-conceived child continued, however. It is unclear whether Plagueis had initiated the process before his death, or whether Sidious instead implemented his former Master's scheme for his own dark purposes...''

''...On Tatooine, the slave Shmi Skywalker had given birth to a child more powerful in the Force than any other in history-the apparent product of forbiddcen research initiated by Darth Plagueis and taken up by Darth Sidious. This boy, Anakin Skywalker, had seemingly not been conceived by a human father, but by the midi-chlorians themselves. Palpatine kept a close watch on Anakin as the boy grew. If trained as a Sith apprentice, such a child could be vastly more powerful than Maul. - Failing Republic, Thriving Sith, Part Two: The Fall of the Republic, Star Wars: The New Essential Chronology''

Later:

''...The Toydarian also owned a nine-year-old slave, Anakin Skywalker. Anakin's mother, Shmi, confirmed in her own words what Qui-Gon had already suspected-the boy was immeasurably strong in the Force. Neither knew of Darth Plagueis's suspected involvement in inducing midi-chlorians to create life, though Shmi informed Qui-Gon that Anakin had no natural father...

''...Darth Sidious learned of his enemies' arrival on Tatooine. He dispatched his apprentice Darth Maul in order to preven the Jedi from meddling with Anakin Skywalker's fate. - The Battle of Naboo, Part Two: The Fall of the Republic, Star Wars: The New Essential Chronology''

If either of these quotations is of any canonicity than it would seem that the speculation of Sith involvement in Anakin's birth would be correct. -- Niirfa-sa 07:11, Feb 11 2006 (UTC)
 * The thing is, New Essential Chronology is wrong in numerous spots. It says that Anakin was born on Tatooine, which is incorrect. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:54, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The spots where it is wrong however are only wrong because they are contradicted elsewhere (for example that TSL shows Kreia and Traya are the same person or TPM indicates Anakin was born off Tatooine). As far as I know nothing contradicts the idea that Anakin was created by the Sith. If you can show me one canon source saying otherwise, I will concede. -- Niirfa-sa 21:38, Feb 12 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying you're wrong (I believe you're correct). I just said that NEC got things wrong. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:36, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Celibacy
Aren't Jedi required to be completely celibate? Anyone have a source on this? --GenkiNeko 14:42, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * The edit history of the Jedi article reveals George Lucas stated that Jedi aren't required to be celibate. --24.253.120.206 15:09, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Think of Ki-Adi-Mundi. - TopAce


 * From what I know of the Jedi Order before the Great Purge, Jedi were required to be unattached from personal relationships with other people as much as possible. It never says they have to be celibate explicitly, so technically a Jedi could sleep around with anyone they wanted as long as they didn't form attachments(I'm half kidding). However, a definition of celibacy is "to be unmarried" and marriage is a form of attachment. Ki-Adi-Mundi was a special case since his species has a very low birth rate.--TheLIGHTSABERwieldingNERFHERDER 06:46, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Homeworld
Anakin and Shmi came to Tatooine when Anakin was 3 years old. Since we have birth planets for Luke Skywalker, Leia Organa and Anakin Solo (where, in all cases it differs from their "homeworld", should we add to Anakin and Shmi's char box "Birth Planet Unknown" or something, to emphasise that neither was born on Tatooine? QuentinGeorge 06:01, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Problem: NEC specifically states that Anakin was born on Tatooine. Kuralyov 23:36, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yet he wasn't. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:08, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * What is the source that says he wasn't born on Tatooine? We have a source that says he came to Tatooine when he was three years old, and a source that says he was born on Tatooine. Those aren't mutually exclusive; they could have left Tatooine, then returned. Stranger retcons have been made. And no matter how much you might not like it, the NEC is an official canon source, so unless a part of it has been admitted as being an error - which this hasn't been - it has to be taken as canon. Kuralyov 00:14, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't the movies outrank any other source? Anakin himself said he was brought to Tatooine around the age of three. I think Shmi would have told him that he was born on Tatooine. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:15, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Now you're integrating your made-up theory into the article. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:22, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * IIRC, in TPM, Padme asks Anakin "How long have you been here?" to which Anakin replies "Since I was three, I think. My mom and I were sold to Gardulla the Hutt. She lost us betting on the pods." Adamwankenobi 02:58, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * As Adam says, it was the Phantom Menace that established Anakin had been born elsewhere. The NEC is in error. QuentinGeorge 05:24, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Correct, Quentin. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:28, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe he was born near Anchorhead or somewhere like that, and brought to Mos Espa when he was three. That'd be a more sensible retcon than leaving the planet as a toddler. Still, we probably have to put both facts in the article for now. &mdash; Silly Dan 13:14, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, we shouldn't. We have no source for that. He only know that he was brought to Mos Espa (or Tatooine) when he was young. His birthplace is still unknown. Admiral J. Nebulax 13:18, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Pre-ROTS Image
Okay to replace the image directly under "Transformation to Vader" with this [[Media:Hi Res Anakin promo.jpg|hi-res promo shot]]? --SparqMan 06:26, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It seems awefully big; it'd either have to be resized (in which case you'd lose the resolution), or left the way it is (in which case it's way too big for an article). jSarek 06:47, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Well it would be thumbnailed, which doesn't lose the resolution, just reduces the image size. But if a user is interested and clicks on the image, it will bring them to a high quality one, rather than a less quality one. --SparqMan 13:46, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Plagueis section
That "Darth Plagueis" is pretty darn conjectural. --SparqMan 20:39, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think it is, really, since it makes no assertations, merely states possibilities (which were intended by GL as possibilities, IIRC). Although I might be biased, since I think I may have written it. Not that I mean to claim it if I didn't write it, in which case, sorry whoever did. I'll change "highly probable", though. --Fade 21:11, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Databank Copyright?
The bit about Jabiim is verbatim from the databank. I don't know how much else has copyright issues, but it should be compared. --Death Regis 10:43, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

it is impossible that Darth Plaguies is Anakin's father at all because if you really listened to the movie, Palpatine said that Darth Plaguies had been alive before even his mother was around. And it is possible that a sith can live that long, Sith can live hundreds of years longer than regular people because of the unnatural power they have. Anyway it was confirmed in the New Republic books that it was merely the force that concieved of Anakin Skywalker. NOT AN ACTUAL PERSON!!!!!!!!! (<_>) HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!! TURKEY!!!!
 * Okay, first of all, it is possible that Plagueis was Anakin's "father". And second of all, why did you put that under the "Databank Copyright?" section? Admiral J. Nebulax 17:45, 24 Nov 2005 (UTC)

I reworded the Clone Wars section and compared other sections to the Databank. 24.253.120.206 15:41, 24 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:17, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Ahem!
Well, I realized that some people have seperated Anakin from Vader! Technically, they are the same persona, therefore it makes much more sense if they are in the same article. Please don't bombard me with "Oh we already had a debate on this" and "Well a admin already said this and this". I don't really care. I am making a public complaint, and please agree or disagree with me below. I am ready to make points. (If noone will make disagreements/agreements, I will edit the articles and fuse them together). KFan II 12:07, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Here's an idea - Why not make an original contribution, say a new article, rather than stuffing around with what's already here? You might be a bit more popular then. QuentinGeorge 12:25, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * If you think you can throw your weight around here like that, you won't be contributing any longer. -- Riffsyphon1024 15:50, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * If you really want to discuss this, there's already a discussion at Talk:Darth Vader, although it's pretty much over. If you simply want to tell people that they're wrong, please don't bother. – Aidje talk 16:01, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I feel like I'm being threatened. I was just trying to make a point. And by the way, I believe if you're a member of Wookieepedia, then you not only contribute but make articles better. I mean, in the New Essential Guide to Characters, Anakin and Vader and listed as "Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader". I think we should follow that example for the simplictity of things. And Vader and Anakin are not entirely different! For example, when Anakin turns to the Dark Side, he doesn't immediatly get his black armor. He goes on two missions and succeeds (killing all the Jedi on Coruscant and killing all the members of the CIS Council). And they are the same soul, you cannot question that. I mean, in Episode V, he is showing some signs of being good again by not killing Admiral Piett when he loses the Millenium Falcon. I think merging them would be common sense around here. KFan II 08:15, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Vote was held. You lost. Get over it. QuentinGeorge 10:07, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Merge with Vader?
Shouldn't we merge this article with Darth Vader since both characters are the same person? -- John-1107 23:08, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * This isn't the same thing as the Palpy/Sidious Merge, as both Anakin and Vader are two very different things, both mentally and physically. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:15, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)

But Anakin becomes Darth Vader! I don't see anything that makes them 2 separate, different persons. The Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader articles were merged on Wikipedia since both of them are the same person, like Palpatine/Darth Sidious. -- Eddyward Telerionus 23:49, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I agree with John-1107. They are the same person, they should be merged under one article. KFan II 08:18, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I also feel these two should be merged. Anakin WAS Vader. Just because he thought a bit differently and had several boo-boos doesn't magically make him an entirely different being, any more than Luke losing his hand and his innocence on Bespin means we need two Luke articles. jSarek 10:41, 26 Jul 2005 (UTC)

The discussion in the Talk:Darth Vader page died only because "If we merge them, it should be under Anakin Skywalker. There was no vote, and I see many pro-merger people who weren't involved in that discussion. Not holding a vote is tyrrany far worse than anything KFan II has done. They're the same person. --Death Regis 21:53, 31 Jul 2005 (UTC)

If this is merged, the name of the article should just simply be "Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader". They are two in one, and there is no need for two separate articles on the same person. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:42, 31 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Looks like somebody is merging them anyhow... Demented Smiloid 16:21, 4 Aug 2005 (UTC)

ANAKIN SKYWALKER IS NOT DARTH VADER: the only thing the two have in common is a body (1/4 of a body after ROTS)go to the Starwars website for the final answer:

Anakin can be found here:

http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/anakinskywalker/index.html

It states the following per GL:He is listed as showing up in the following movies: I, II, III, VI "His eyes burning with Sith intensity, it became clear that Anakin was no longer the same hero he once was. He was firmly entrenched in darkness, even bringing his blade to snuff out the bright lives of the Jedi younglings. Skywalker was no more. He could not hear the entreaties of his friends and loved ones to return from the darkness. As Darth Vader, he killed the leadership of the Separatists, bringing an end to the Clone Wars. In his rage, he would bring about the death of his wife, fulfilling the terrifying vision that prompted his turn to forbidden knowledge."

Vader Can be found here: http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/darthvader/

It states the following per GL:He is listed as showing up in the following movies: III, IV, V, VI He abandoned his former identity. Sidious took Vader from Mustafar to an Imperial rehabilitation center where he was rebuilt. When metal coupled with flesh in the form of cyborg implants and enhancements required to sustain him, Skywalker's transformation was complete. He was no longer Anakin. He was Darth Vader.

the above is from the man who CREATED the MOVIES he know more about Anakin Skywalker then anyone keep them split
 * Uh, chill. In a way, these articles should be merged, but I think we should keep them as two separate ones. That way, when you search "Anakin Skywalker", you get Anakin Skywalker, not Darth Vader, depite the fact that they were one in the same. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:39, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Appearances
How was he in the NJO books? Kuralyov 13:46, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * IIRC, Zonoma Sekot took his form to talk to Luke. If not, they talked about him there at least. Durnar 13:49, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

It saids on "jedipurge.com/" the entire histroy of the Jedi and Sith, including the planet where Anakin was born. He was born on Thessius and brought to Tatooine at the age of 3.
 * But jedipurge.com is part of the Supershadow network - and Supershadow is a proven fraud. That info is fake. Believe me, if something as important as Anakin's birthplace were revealed, it would already be on this site - Kwenn
 * I swear, if someone ever says that the SuperShadow material is true and that individual continually edits a page with that, I'll go mad. Anyhow, Anakin was not born on Tatooine and definitely not Thessius. We do not know where he was really born. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:34, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)

I believe that the history of the scar on anakin's eye is incorrect. it is reported that he gets the scar after the duel with asajj ventress, in season 1 and 2 of the clone wars animations. However, he is shown in the brginnings of season 3 without the scar, and is knighted. H then meets with panme later after some fighting, and she notices the scar for the first time.
 * No, it's correct. They dueled again, on Coruscant. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:30, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Portrayals
Can someone identify who played Vader in the suit in the Special Edition scene of TESB on Cloud City as well who did his voice? I don't think it was James Earl Jones or David Prowse. Someone please find this info and include it in the article, thanks.
 * Uh, James Earl Jones's voice was the voice of Darth Vader. As for the person who was in the suit, that was David Prowse. However, for the stunts, stuntman Bob Anderson was in the suit. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:13, 16 Oct 2005 (UTC)

i hate anakin! he's a retard! how cna u become a sith after being a jedi for so long! what a dumbass! HES A LOSER Just because hes voiceing his opinion doesn't mean that it's "completely uncalled for" You need to get the stick out of your ass and relize people swear in the world when they are pissed off...hes just pissed off because he thinks anakin is a retard. If it wasnt for the stupid people who voice their opinions this would be a really boring website.
 * That was COMPLETELY uncalled for. You know what, every day I keep thinking, "We should make it that only registered users can edit things". If this keeps up, my suggestion might be the only thing keeping these Talk pages clean of stupid and uncalled for remarks. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 18:06, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * You're not supposed to voice your opinion, especially on Talk pages where important matters are discussed. That's why. And what you said was completely uncalled for. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:54, 9 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you, QuentinGeorge, for removing that idiot's comment. If anyone, him and his stupid comments are changing Wookieepedia. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:52, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)

I was just reading about what the one user said in this section, "How could Anakin become a Sith after being a Jedi for so long". I just wanted to make a comment here, Count Dooku was a Jedi most of his life and he became a Sith, it's not like Anakin was the only Jedi to become a Sith. Double D 22:13, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * On an unrelated note: I hate these idiots that posts these stupid comments. I still say only registered users should be able to edit things. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:48, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Category:Naberrie family
uhh... Can anyone explain why Anakin is under the Naberrie family category? I don't think it's necessary cause the Naberries didn't know of his marriage to Padme. Which means that he isn't entirely accepted as part of the family yet. Divinity 05:01, 08 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Becuase, if Padme is listed under the Skywalker family, then Vader and Anakin should be under the Naberrie family, if they follow that custom. Adamwankenobi 21:48, 8 Nov 2005 (UTC)

A Change in Spirit
Not that this is a big deal, but I just wondering, when Obi-Wan dies his spirit wears the same closes as when he died, same with Yoda, of corse the last time Anakin wore real closes was in ROTS, so is there any reason why Anakin's spirit didn't wear the same closes as he did 19 bby? Double D 21:43, 8 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Shaw vs. Christensen?
There has been some controversy on the main Wikipedia page as to who should've portrayed Anakin as a ghost. Anyone arguing with that? I personally feel Christensen was a better ghost because people identify him more as Anakin. When a friend of mine saw the original, he thought Shaw was Luke's Uncle Owen. Anyone wanna comment? --Jedi Striker 13:18 AM 26, November 2005
 * I don't think it really matters on who people identify more with. I think it just matters what makes more sense. In my opinion, Shaw makes more sense. But its easy to make sense out of both so, it really depends on the viewer of what they want to see in their mind. Like me, I don't agree with some things, so they never happened. Like in my mind, Revan is a woman and Hayden ain't no ghost. But for the sake of avoiding conflict and confusment, stick to the versin Lucas wants us to stick with. Redemption 06:25, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * This is all from a personal opinion. Please do not go posting your personal opinions on Talk page. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:41, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * It came from Lucas, so it's now the official canon that Luke saw Christensen's image, whether people like it or not. - Sikon [ Talk ] 10:00, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I keep saying to the guys on wikipedia, yet they refuse to allow the Hayden version into the article. Adamwankenobi 10:31, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, tell them to look at our articles. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:39, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Where exactly do they refuse? ROTJ shows the new version. - Sikon [ Talk ] 08:26, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, some people were very unhappy with that change. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:52, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Appearance Section
It would be appreciated if another image of the unmasked and redeemed Anakin Skywalker was uploaded and placed in the Appearance section. 24.253.120.206 17:04, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Despite the fact that the user removed it, it should still stay here. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:36, 24 Dec 2005 (UTC)

"Hair of Evil"
I couldn't help but notice that Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader is a little similar to Harry Osborn/The Second Green Goblin. Anakin and Harry both have their hair short and neat in one movie, but in their next movies, they both have their hair long, curley and a little messed up (just before Anakin becomes Vader/ just before Harry become the Green Goblin). My question is, Is letting Anakin's hair grow long and out of control one of the ways of saying "He's going to be evil"? Double D 22:13, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I extremely doubt that. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:42, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It's supposed to be reminicient of the shape of Vader's helmet - though it was mostly styled that way to fit in with his image as a war hero and with the retro 70's designs seen in RotS (Tantive IV for example) - Kwenn
 * "It's supposed to be reminicient of the shape of Vader's helmet..." Really? I couldn't tell. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:47, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Concepts of Anakin for AotC had his hair in the Vader-style. It's not exactly the same, but it's supposed to be just one of many elements that go towards the transition from Anakin to Vader - Kwenn
 * Oh. Interesting. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:52, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)

I just noticed something, in AOTC, when Anakin goes between the camara and the 2 suns, (because of his rear hair peace) doesn't he look like Darth Vader? Double D 01:45, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Early Life
Should the early life section really contain info on his relationship with Padmé, and details on the twins? That's for later in the article, we don't need it there; in place, his exploits on Tatooine and Naboo can be expanded upon - Kwenn 15:28, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. That shouldn't be in that part. Admiral J. Nebulax 17:41, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Middle name
The middle name (Cleevon) added to the article is SuperWank. I wouldn't expect any different from a user who calls himself Jard Dooku --Azizlight 00:42, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * That's why I originally removed this and what he added on Grievous, even though I re-added Grievous's fanon last name. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:45, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * The guy is actually trying to warn people about fanon names. Considering all the crap we get on this site from Suttle's delusions, I applaude his efforts. -- SFH 00:48, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, my comment came out a little wrong. I just wanted to point out that the name was a Supershadow creation, that's all. --Azizlight 00:52, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, he's been claiming that Palpatine's "name" was "Dantius Cos Palpatine". Admiral J. Nebulax 21:14, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Force Cocoons?
I have never heard of that specific force power. What is the source for that? - Alpha Fire 00:17, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

that force coocoon is absolute rubbish...in the movie the boards that they were hovering with above the lava had some kind of protective ray sheild from heat....i have the dvd and george lucas never said anything about force cocoons..i hate the way all these writers keep adding crap to the star wars universe....it really irritates me...

If he's so powerful, why does he keep losing?
i've gotta a question. if anakin is the chosen one who is soooo powerful...., why does he get beaten by obiwan...and then luke skywalker....he's a bit USELESS IF U ASK ME. HE CAN'T DO ANY SPECIAL FORCE POWERS, WHY IS HE THE CHOSEN ONE, AND WHY DID GEORGE LUCAS SAY THAT HIS FORCE ABILITIES WERE 'GRIEOUSLY' REDUCED AFTER HIS LIMBS WERE MAIMED...IT MAKES NO SENSE....HONESTLY LOOK SHOWED A LOT MORE POWER THAN THAT MORON.....SOME ON PLEASE REPLY...jibers

i don't gett it, i thought Anakin was the strongest force user of all time, he gets beaten by luke, and he gets beaten by obiwan. George lucas must not have thought of it clearly, making him get so defeated easily by luke, in their second fight? someone reply please.
 * Power is not the only measure of a man. Just because you have more raw force potential than anyone in history doesn't mean you necessarily live up to it, and just because you're the Chosen One doesn't mean that your abilities are measured by who you can defeat.  Anakin was prophesied to destroy the Sith and bring balance to the Force, not to destroy Obi-Wan or Luke, nor to have uberleet Force powers that no one else has, nor to win every fight.  He had a purpose in the will of the Force; he defied that purpose for over twenty years, and suffered the whole time, until he finally stopped trying to be what he wasn't and fulfill his destiny.  To quote Spider-Man's uncle, "with great power comes great responsibility"; when Anakin shirked that responsibility and tried to forge his own selfish path, he and the ones that he loved came to great suffering. jSarek 02:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Never ever quote Spider-man's uncle again. It's such a dumb overused quote. A guy in a movie said it therefore it is irrefutably true and must be used in any situation even if it only BARELY applies to the context? But uhhhh back to the subject: He owns a Dark Lord of the Sith and Makashi master with ease in III and also shows off his piloting skills. Not to mention the fact that he was the only human podracer in history.
 * It's overused, but only because it's true, and because it *needs* to be said often to remind those that have power that it always comes with a price. And it definitely applies here - Anakin's power came from the fact that he was the Chosen One, a role that also carried the responsibility of destroying the Sith and bringing balance to the Force.  When he chose to shirk this responsibility, *THAT'S* when The Hero With No Fear started getting beaten. jSarek 07:38, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

.okay, but why did luke beat him so easily. why wasn't he able to stop obi wan. i thought he was unstopable. y were his force powers reduced after his injury
 * The injuries on Mustafar... Does that ring a bell? He was burned, he lost all of his limbs, minus his mechanical right arm. I'd say that that would dimish one's powers. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:07, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

so what if he lost his limbs. why would that reduce his force power....and one big question i have is...how did obi wan have the advantage...in phantom menace the distance he jumped to reach the platform were maul and jin was fighting was about 8 times higher...why couldn't anakin jump higher...
 * Because the whole purpose was to show Anakin loose his arm and legs. That answer is OOU. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:17, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't have mattered how much higher Anakin jumped; Obi-Wan would have been able to be under him like a baseball outfielder. As to your earlier question, he *wasn't* unstoppable - that's part of the point.  He wasn't omnipotent.  He was the Chosen One, incredibly powerful and destined to defeat the Sith and bring balance to the Force, but neither above-normal power nor a destiny meant he was completely unstoppable. jSarek 22:57, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * JSarek, for so eloquently stating something which I've tried for many years to explain to excitable fans without success on TFN forums....you are my new hero! :) Sniff... QuentinGeorge 05:45, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * You said it Quentin... jSarek, you are the man! --Azizlight 06:03, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Nice use of baseball outfielder too. :) -- Riffsyphon1024 06:22, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks guys. ;-) For my encore performance . . . jSarek 13:13, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

if anakin had a fight with sidious...who would win? why was sidious so desperate to get anakin as an apprentice...? if he wanted the ultimate apprentice why did he not keep dooku, he was more powerful than anakin...wasn't he?
 * Anakin was pretty obviously more powerful than dooku. Check out the beheading.
 * Anakin did have a fight with Sidious . . . at the end of Return of the Jedi. If you mean if there had been a "fair" fight between Sidious and Anakin, I'd still place my bets on Anakin - his destiny was to destroy the Sith, and there's no reason to think that the Force would pass up an opportunity for him to do so.  But the Force works in mysterious ways . . . it could be that the only way for Anakin to fulfill his destiny was to destroy Palpatine in a moment of distraction.  At any rate, Sidious wanted Anakin because Anakin truly was the most powerful, created by the Midichlorians themselves (whether or not they had some coaxing by the Sith beforehand notwithstanding).  Anakin's *power* was unmatched, but power, as I've said before, isn't the sole measure of a man. Skill, experience, discipline, restraint, endurance, cunning, heart . . . all of these other factors come into play in a fight, and Anakin was clearly lacking in some of them, which is what allowed Obi-Wan and later Luke to defeat him. jSarek 13:13, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Like jSarek said, Palpatine wanted Anakin mainly because of his unmatched powers. But to some extent there was also a certain revenge factor behind Anakin's seduction to the dark side (as seen in TPM novelization): Obi-Wan killed Palpatine's apprentice (Maul), so Palpatine would take Obi-Wan's Padawan in turn. "At last we will have revenge..." Tinwe 13:36, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The answer's simple. He's powerful but stupid. That's why he keeps losing :-P KEJ 14:05, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

what is the canon storyline leading towards episode 3, the labrynth of evil novel, or the clone wars microseries. the book makes more sense....

Midi-chlorians reside within every nook and cranny of a person's body. By cutting off ones limbs or losing larges protions of your skin, you lose those midi-chlorians. Darth Vadar got all of his limbs cut of, third-degree burns all over his body, and was severly burned in his lungs. Considering the large portions of his body that he lost, he also lost a large portion of his midi-chlorians, though I really do not see how getting your lungs burned would cause you to lose over half of your force strength. As for losing all of those lightsaber duels, I believe it was mosly arrogence on the side of Anakin. The lightsaber form that Anakin used, Form V: Shien / Djem So, relied heavily on the users emotions. It has been proven time and time again that even if you were the greatest duelist, if you let your feelings run amok, allow your anger to run rampent, that you tend to make mistakes like during the duel between Obi-Wan and Anakin on Mustafar. LordRevan 20:48, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Well think of it like this. His lungs were seared and the midi-chlorian's destroyed so that could mean he can't use any breath related powers. He lost his legs which could cost him Force Speed, Jump and general acrobatics that were seen in his lightsaber style. He lost his (only remaining organic) arm so things like Force push would be impossible (that said then how does he use Force Choke?) But what do i know, I just favour the EU Phillowe88 02:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * On a little side note you mention about giving in to emotions costs people the battle. IIRC Vapaad requires giving into your emotions and almost enjoying battle Phillowe88 02:39, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

For Vadar's acrobatics, I think he couldn't do it because of his severly damaged lungs, not his loss of legs. On your mentioning of his force push, Vadar could still use telekinesis, so in theory he could still do force push (because both force push and choke rely on telekinesis). On your mentioning of Vapaad, it uses controlled anger and emotions, not the rampant emotions that Vadar showed on Mustafar. LordRevan 23:29, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd have to agree with you. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:35, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

'''what is the canon storyline leading towards episode 3, the labrynth of evil novel, or the clone wars microseries. the book makes more sense....'''
 * The book. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:25, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * those were all old theories that have been recently discreditted by EU developements. Could he be acrobatic, yes, but what for? his sheer strength alone could bring sidious to his knees. he made mistakes because he was blinded by emotion and anger. skill wise he was better and more powerful, but he lacked the wisdom and calmness of his peers. he lacked control of himself, this is why he was denied mastery. also he didnt remain 80% the strength of the emperor, if that was true why would he have sent vader on missions with the specific purpose of increasing his apprentices power? to answer the question how luke beat him, it's simple. his father was never going to kill him. when he saw luke enraged, it frieghtened him. he was stuggling to regain his footing, and it is obvious that for Vader, walker backwards is very difficult. He lost his footing and balance and was desperately trying to defend himself.

Anakin Being Vader
Maybe we could shorten the "Showdown on Mustafar and aftermath" and "The redemption of Anakin Skywalker" section and add a line with something like "Main Article: Darth Vader" like that... agree? - Chrisyu357
 * No. It is fine now. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:20, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * For the love of God, when will this Jibers give up? Admiral J. Nebulax 21:47, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Major revert needed.
Some idiot screwed up the page... Major revert needed. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:50, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * What are we talking about here? Shadowism, other fanon, what? -- SFH 21:51, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It was "I'm Anakin!!! I'm a little pansy!!!". And thank you, Imperialles. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:53, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Luke vs. Anakin
Who do you think would win in a duel, Luke or Anakin in his prime (before the duel on Mustafar). I would put my vote on Anakin. LordRevan 20:51, 11 February 2006 (UTC) Anakin would destroy luke at pre mustafar
 * Okay, this is kind of pointless. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:20, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Pointless but fun. Both in their prime (as in Luke is a Jedi Master) Luke would whip pre Mustafar Anakin's butt. Although lightsaber combat was less sophisticated in the New Jedi Order, Luke still had more experience.
 * Yes, fun for message boards on some other site. Talk pages are used to discuss the article. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:40, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, that's great, have this topic somewhere else. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:49, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Can some one pleeaaase clarify this?
okay, so, in Return of the Jedi, Anakin comes back as a force-vision thingy... well, we know that Qui-Gonn taught Obi-Wan (and i think Yoda learned himself?) but how did Anakin? How did he learn? Starwarsnerd 03:10, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * He's the One. How could he not know how to become One with the Force. Maybe Qui-Gon spoke to him during his time as a Sith predicting his eventual turn, i dunno.

PS, please can you add new conversation topics at the bottom of the page. Thankyou Jasca Ducato 15:39, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * You took my line, Jasca. ;) Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:10, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Council
Who does Anakin replace on the Jedi Council? That was Even Piell's seat, so does that mean that Piell had died in 19 BBY, close to the Battle of Coruscant? Mastermundi 16:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. Skywalker replaced Piell, when and how he died i dont know. You'll have to look at his article. Jasca Ducato 17:54, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, his article says 19 BBY, but how is still uncertain. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:57, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Bring Balance to the force? Which side?
It said Anakin would bring Balance to the "Force". It never said bring Balance to the "Light Side of the Force". What if Vader kill or converded Luke in ROTJ, the anakin could have brought Balance to the Dark Side of the Force. Am i right? 209.175.47.162 21:06, 24 March 2006 (UTC) (User: Double D)
 * Balance to the Force meant an equal number on both sides. It's wierd, because that doesn't happen. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:09, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

So...when it was just Palpatine, Vader, Luke and Yoda alive, that was Balance? So... Vader brought the force out of Balance?209.175.47.162 21:18, 24 March 2006 (UTC)(User: Double D)
 * No, more Jedi were still alive as of the Galactic Civil War, which is why I said that there never really was balance. It's confusing, I guess. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:27, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The darkside is the imbalance in the force. the sith bring unbalance to the force. when they were destroyed, balance was brought to the force.
 * No, that's not true. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 22:45, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Wait, What? So, the Sith bring unbalance. If the Force was out of Balance, why did the Jedi think the Sith were exstinked? Double D 01:35, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No, the Sith don't bring unbalance. "Balance" means equal parts on both sides. You can't have a thousand Jedi and two Sith. That's not balance, nor is zero Sith and a handleful of Jedi. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 02:09, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Council Member?
Really I know he was on the Jed Council but come on. Palpatine assigned him. The Jedi didnt want him on it, and he wasnt even made a master. Then on top of this... he went to 2 meetings. Then a couple of days after he was assigned by the Chancellor, HE Destroyed IT. He was as much of a council member as I was - Captian John Luc Pacard.


 * Still, he WAS technically a council member, as the council (reluctantly) allowed it. Adamwankenobi 21:45, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, Skywalker was a much of a Council member as, say, Yoda, Windu, or Kenobi, not you. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 22:44, 24 March 2006 (UTC)