User talk:Tinwe

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Teril
I noticed you added the sources tag to an article I just created and forgot to include the appearances to. Am I allowed to remove the tag now that I added the appearances section? --Juha 08:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, another practitioner of Teräs Käsi, I see. ;) Which uni do study at? (By the way, I'm not really sure how one is supposed to reply to another person's posts. Am I supposed to continue the conversation on your talk page or my talk page or what?) --Juha 09:02, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not so sure about the talk page etiquette either. I guess whichever way seems more practical... :) I study at the university of Joensuu, in the Savonlinna campus. --Tinwe 09:09, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright. Studying English must be nice. Is it your first or second year? I've thought about trying to get into uni myself, but I'm still not sure if I want to study or what I should study. I've thought about studying English and translation like you, but I'm not sure if that's my thing, because I'm more interested in music. --Juha 09:26, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Lord of the Rings Wiki
Just wondered whether you had joined up to The Lord of the Rings Wikicity (being a LOTR fan and all)?--Darth Mantus 19:20, 24 February 2006 (UTC) You should really help it out, it needs all the help it can get. I try to add my part, but it is coming real slow. I have a question for you: What was your favorite story in the Silmarillion? I thought the creation of the swarves bit was great.--Quidon88 04:26, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No, at least not yet. I'm actually more on the Silmarillion side, but still, an interesting idea. (And I do know the LOTR wiki is for Silmarillion-related stuff too, I'm not all that ignorant. :) --Tinwe 09:07, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Nashira
A long time coming, but great job on the Nashira article. Now there's only three red links and the Akanah page will be complete. Bwa ha ha :P Cull Tremayne 06:30, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much :) I'm glad you like it, it wasn't an easy piece to do since I haven't actually read the Black Fleet Crisis trilogy, and had to rely mostly on second-hand sources. --Tinwe 08:00, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Contact
How can I contact you? -- &#123;&#123;User:Doo doo/sig}} 08:01, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late reply, I've just come back from my Easter holiday at my parents' place and they only have this really slow modem internet connection, so I decided to spare my nerves and haven't been here for almost two weeks. But as an answer to your actual question: write on my talk page ;)  I'm a bit paranoid about giving my email address to people I don't know, so this is the best way to reach me.  I am in the process of getting a gmail address though (as the two addresses I have now are rather "personal," and I like to keep a certain degree of anonymity in the 'net), so I guess I'll paste that one on my userpage sometime in the near future.  But in the meantime, if you're not planning to make any inappropriate suggestions (heh, just kidding :P), this is the best place for contacting me.  And who knows...  If the reason why you'd like to contact me requires more lenghty conversations, I might be able to be persuaded into giving my email address after all :) --Tinwe 13:46, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

A cookie for your work

 * * has an idiotic grin on her face * Thank you, this certainly brightened my day! --Tinwe 14:05, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Damn, I was just on my way to give you a cookie for the same thing. Oh well. --Imp 20:17, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, there's no rule against giving two cookies for the same work, is there? ;) Thanks for the thought, though. I really appreciate it. --Tinwe 05:59, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Proposed new policy change

 * Feel free to comment on Forum:Relations with other websites. MyNz 09:55, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Suilannad

 * Suilannad o paland&ocirc;r, inu elvellon. Mae Govannen. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 17:05, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey that's sweet... Utuuvienye quendi eldalambion!! MoffRebus 06:53, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Aiya! Elen síla lúmenn' omentielvo. (Actually, my Elvish is a bit rusty (I had to check some of the words you used, shame on me). That's why I have to resort to using phrases... I think I'll stick to "modern Quenya," aka Finnish :) --Tinwe 07:04, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I always have to use a dictionary, but mine only covers Sindarin, so I think we're speaking different languages. Mae govannen is one of the few phrases I now. I know more Spanish than Elvish, sad to say. Anyway, nice to meet a Tolkien fan, even if I can't understand the Quenya you said. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 15:20, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Basically it's just a greeting, but you know Elves, they can't just say "hello," they say things like "a star shines on the hour of our meeting" (that's what the phrase means, plus "aiya" is "hail" as a greeting). I'm not really a master of the Elvish languages myself, but they do fascinate me (especially their etymology). Quenya even more so than Sindarin, because it was influenced by Finnish. Funny thing though, I thought "suilannad" is Quenya? Well, of course the two languges share some vocabulary. Linguistic difficulties aside, it's nice to come across other Elf-Friends :) --Tinwe 17:23, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Very spiffy. My knowledge of Sindarin comes from a freeware dictionary called "Dragon Flame." You can find it by going to Google and typing in "Dragon Flame"+Sindarin. I don't know if that would work in Finnish though. I'm pretty sure that Quenya and Sindarin do share a number of words, after all the Noldor spent millenia among the Grey Elves. I don't actually have the Silmarillion on me right now, but I seem to recall reading that Quenya, especially among the kingdom of Thingol and Melian, was influenced by Sindarin. And even Feanor's family, as well as Turgon, would have had some exposure to Sindarin when they first encountered the Grey Elves. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 19:06, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You can find some Quenya dictionaries in Ardalambion (google it). Also, there were never many Sindarin influences in Quenya except some words (eg. certar for 'runes') MoffRebus 21:58, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the dictionary tips :) I actually knew about Ardalambion, I have this huge Quenya RTF file on my computer which I downloaded way back from there. And I bought an *actual* Quenya/Sindarin dictionary (like, a book ;) from Germany a couple of summers ago. It's in German of course, but I read it quite fluently, even if can't really speak the language that much. As for Quenya influencing Sindarin and vice versa, what I meant was that Quenya and Sindarin inevitably have some similar words due to the fact that they share a parent language. --Tinwe 16:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's a nice Elvish link - I haven't explored it too thoroughly, but I know it's got some awesome phrases! :-P Actually, I can't get the link to work for some reason. Here's the nonlinkified URL: http://www.arwen-undomiel.com/elvish.html If that doesn't work, try it up to the ".com" bit, and if that doesn't work for some strange reason, just type arwen undomiel in the search bar. Hope this is useful! --Crazy Jedi Girl 03:26, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the link (it seems to be working fine), I'll be sure to check it out. :) --Tinwe 09:47, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

School template
No, I don't mind. You can use it. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) 14:40, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Great, thanks :) --Tinwe 07:09, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jainasolosig.gif |25px]] 15:30, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Re:Tahiri's BTS
Sorry about deleting it outright &mdash; to me, it seemed that it was obvious it was original research, that's why I had. I'll make sure to bring it up on the talk page from now on, so please forgive me for my hasty actions.

It's not that I'm against name etymologies in general, and while etymologies don't necessarily need to be sourced or cited when discussing real-world articles, articles discussing fictional articles are different (as much as I deny that being a Jedi is impossible ;)). I'm sorry I wasn't clear earlier, it's not the information I consider OR, it's the analysis, or the implication of such an analysis. I don't doubt that the meanings or etymologies are false &mdash; it isn't the validity of information I'm questioning, I have no doubt the meanings are correct.  It's these sentences that I feel consitutes as unpublished analysis (or the implication of it):

"'It is not known if the author Nancy Richardson, who created Tahiri Veila, knew this.' 'Interestingly, the name of Tahiri's Yuuzhan Vong persona, Riina Kwaad, seems to be connected with purity as well...These two meanings could be seen to reflect Tahiri's relationship with Riina and her suffering in the hands of the Yuuzhan Vong. Also Kwaad means angry or evil in Dutch.'"

Had Nancy Richardson came out and said, "I knew that Tahiri meant this and this and I used that etymology to reference to Tahiri's character" or the NJO team went out and said, "Riina Kwaad is connected with purity &mdash; we purposely used the meaning of Kwadd in the Dutch language to reflect Tahiri's relationship with Riina...", then you would certainly be able to post that. Why? Because then it would be considered published analysis from a primary source.

To make my point clearer, I want to reference to the 'No original research' policy of Wikipedia's (which is the policy of Wookieepedia and other wikias as well):


 * ''"Editors often make the mistake of thinking that if A is published by a reliable source, and B is published by a reliable source, then A and B can be joined together in an article in order to advance position C. However, this would be an example of a new synthesis of published material serving to advance a position, and as such it would constitute original research. 'A and B, therefore C' is acceptable only if a reliable source has published this argument in relation to the topic of the article.


 * ''Here is an example from a Wikipedia article, with the names changed. The article was about Jones:


 * "Smith says that Jones committed plagiarism by copying references from another book. Jones denies this, and says it's acceptable scholarly practice to use other people's books to find new references."


 * ''Now comes the unpublished synthesis of published material:


 * "If Jones's claim that he consulted the original sources is false, this would be contrary to the practice recommended in the Chicago Manual of Style, which requires citation of the source actually consulted. The Chicago Manual of Style does not call violating this rule 'plagiarism.' Instead, plagiarism is defined as using a source's information, ideas, words, or structure without citing them."


 * This entire paragraph is original research, because it expresses the editor's opinion that, given the Chicago Manual of Style's definition of plagiarism, Jones did not commit it. To make the paragraph consistent with this policy, a reliable source is needed that specifically comments on the Smith and Jones dispute and makes the same point about the Chicago Manual of Style and plagiarism. In other words, that precise analysis must have been published by a reliable source in relation to the topic before it can be published in Wikipedia."

Yes, I realize that this is Wookieepedia, not Wikipedia. But original research is equated to, or at least compared to be similiar to, fanon, which is discouraged in Wookieepedia as well.

I hope I did not offend you. Your analysis based on etymologies was well-written and impressive, and I was sorry to delete it &mdash; it would have been quite good for an essay written by a true Star Wars scholar. But that analysis was not given by the authors themselves, so that is why I considered it original research.

Thank you for not being horribly mad at me or attacking me after I took the etymology section out, and I do hope "we can put together something that will please both of us," to quote you. I want you to know that I do respect you as an editor and I really want this to go pleasantly and that both of us can be pleased at the end. :)

Nai tielyar nauvar laiquë arë laurië; harya vanima aurë. ;) &mdash;Mir  len 
 * No problem and thanks. As for people being civilized...well some conflicts I was involved in and was not involved in over at Wikipedia made me thankful of people who didn't immediately attack somebody for editing their work.  :P


 * And yes, the passage seems like a good compromise. I might just make the transitions smoother between the paragraphs if I have time later.  Cheers! :) &mdash;Mir  len  18:39, 26 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, cool. Oh wow, I totally forgot about how I made a contribution to Tahiri's article over at Wikipedia.  *grins*  That was way back then when I was a newbie, heh.  I only added the first bullet, but I didn't make it bullet format I don't think.  Or if I did...well, a lot of my thinking has changed since then.  Anyway, enough of my rambling.  Yeah, go ahead with the Prophecies section in BTS &mdash; I don't see why not. &mdash;<font color="DB7093">Mir <font color="DB7093"> len  22:03, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

FA nom objection

 * Lin dambeth erin i pethin dhor Jaina Solo. Sidh no anle, brennil odhellim.   Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 03:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ahh... would you be a darling and switch to English, please? My Sindarin is really rusty and I don't have my dictionary with me right now, and Dragon Flame isn't working today. I think I know what you're on about, but I want to be sure before answering properly. ;) --Tinwe 13:25, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure. I asked if you would look at the FA nom objection you had on Jaina Solo, though with some slight rewording because some of those words don't exist in Sindarin! It translated literally to something like "thy answer on the "high words" (FA) of Jaina Solo (please)? Peace be with you, elf-maid." And yes, I had to use Dragon Flame a lot! Mine is pretty rusty also. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 15:24, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

Thank you!
Thank you for the linky! I now have up to book eight, instead of just book two! I feel so happy! :) Well, yeah, thanks... where on earth (or in the Star Wars galaxy, LOL) did you come across that? It's awesome!--Crazy Jedi Girl 08:01, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You're very welcome. :) Glad I could help. I don't even remember how I first stumbled upon the site, I guess I came across the link in some dark corner of the 'net where I like to hang out. ;) (That was namely before I found the very same link on Darth Culator's user page.) The site is indeed awesome, even if it's not very copyright-abiding. Krhmm. --Tinwe 11:01, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Now I have access to all those Star Wars books... all I have to do now is find time to read them! :) --Crazy Jedi Girl 21:42, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

FA Review Board
Hey, do you think you could look at the discussion here? I have no idea if you'd want to be part of this, but you'd be a terrific candidate. Do you think you would be interested? Cull Tremayne 23:35, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your consideration. :) I nominated you for member-at-large. Cull Tremayne 23:00, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The vote went through, and you're now a member-at-large for the Inquisitors. Be sure to drop by and give your input. Welcome aboard. :D Cull Tremayne 00:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Gaaah! How incredibly unthoughtful. :P Cull Tremayne 22:07, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * There we go. I need to go chew out some people now. :D Also, that didn't really deserve a smiley above. *shakes head* Sorry about that. ;) Cull Tremayne 22:15, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Let's see, and I'm probably going to eventually end up changing some of these answers since there seems to be a minor differing view on some points. First, for how actively you are "expected" to vote. Right now, since we've just written up all of the current noms, I wouldn't worry about it. As you can probably see, not too many people are voting for each and every one. When we start to get into reviewing new nominations and reviewing post FAs though... However, as member-at-large it should be fine to just stop by "here and then", though of course your input will be always wanted and appreciated, and if you want to vote for all of them, I can only see that as beneficial.


 * Now for the second question about when to vote. Here's where I'm a little unsure. I would say that it's fine to vote for whatever you feel like, and you are "allowed" to vote on every issue. However, by my understanding, for your vote to hold as much weight as a full Inquisitor, one of the Inquisitors will have to "give up" their vote to you, either by your request or through just personal recognition of your knowledge on that topic. I should note that for some reason, there seems to be an idea that the members-at-large can't vote until an Inquisitor gives up their vote and then strikes their own vote. This seems unreasonable to me, and I personally think everyone should be encouraged to vote, and that the "titles" should only come into play at the final vote tally. Also, if there are not enough Inquisitors voting, then a member-at-large's vote will serve as one. Obviously there's still a little confusion over this, so I'll try to find a clearer answer if there is one. Hopefully this all made sense, but if not, I can try to go over it again. :-P Thanks again for your input. Cull Tremayne 14:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Heh, I didn't even know that was an error. I thought it was just a Finnish saying. :P Cull Tremayne 15:52, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I hate to change things up on you, but A) we eliminated all the MAL positions and made everyone "equal". Second, there's a meeting today in the IRC chat channel. You'll need a client (not the web-based one) to join. We'll be reviewing old FAs, so feel free to join and vote as much as you desire. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 13:26, 10 March 2007 (UTC)

Padme image
Would you mind going back to the Talk:Padmé Amidala and looking at the two options again? The current image is pieced together by two image of different quality and science. The image is grainy and her face looks like it's been airbrushed, unnatural. The second (and only other) option is the same image, but is the actual screenshot and is much better quality. Thanks. - JMAS 04:02, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Inquisitorius meeting
* blink* I am a full Inquisitor now? The things that happen in your absence... My apologies for not answering earlier, I haven't been around for a few weeks (and probably won't be for the next couple of weeks, which reminds me that I'd better go put the vacation notice up after I finish typing this.)
 * There will be an Inquisitorius meeting this Saturday/Sunday in IRC. Please get an IRC client and join us; we'd love to have your input! The times on the page for the fourth meeting. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 02:38, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

If you hate to change things up on me, I can't say I'm really happy with this either. The reason I wished to be "just" a member-at-large in the first place was that I don't have enough time on my hands to attend to the Inq business "full-time" (especially now, as I have some issues with my studies as well as with my personal life that I need to sort out). And now that I'm a full member, I don't think it's fair to anyone, not to you other Inquisitors or to the community, if I don't have the time to properly attend to my duties. I'm afraid the summer will not relieve the situation, as I'll probably be working and staying at my parents where the internet connection is... not good. If it happens to be working at all.

The more I think about it, the more it seems that the wisest thing to do would be to give up the position to someone who has the time and energy which I sadly don't have right now (and will not have for the next six months or so, it would seem). I'll have to see how this works out.

As for the IRC meetings: are they always held at 23:00 UTC? If so, I don't think I'll be attending much &mdash; it's 1:00 in Finland, and I virtually never stay up that long. I simply get too sleepy towards evening and conk out by midnight at the latest. And my beauty sleep is one thing I won't easily sacrifice, not even for Wookieepedia. :) Of course, I am capable of staying up longer, but my capability for intelligent thought decreases severely with every minute I stay up after 11 pm. Too bad...

In the meantime, I try to drop by when I can to give my input on the Inq page, and I'll let all you folks know in a month or so if I'll be able to continue with the Inquisitorius or not. --Tinwe 11:19, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Thank you for letting us now your current situation and all that. We'll respect whatever decision you eventually make. Yes, the meetings are always at the same time, but if you want, you can post your votes by proxy on the meeting page- the upcoming one is Meeting 5, fyi. Cheers. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 06:02, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

userboxes
really, I'm a big fan of userboxes. (check out my page, I have a ton) so be PROUD of the userboxes! -Rorwarr 01:41, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Good catch

 * Why, thank you! Glad to be of service. :) --Tinwe 13:18, 19 April 2007 (UTC)

Heips!
Kiva nähdä Wookieepediassa olevan muitakin suomalaisia käyttäjiä... :) Ajattelin tulla kertomaan, että Wikialla on suomenkielinen versiokin Wookieepediasta, joka saattaisi kaivata aika lailla käyttäjiä auttamaan se alkuun... :) --Jack Phoenix (Contact) 20:45, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hei vaan! Kiva tosiaan törmätä "tuttuihin" ;) Kiitos tiedosta, pitää ehdottomasti käydä tutustumassa. Kyllä varmasti jossain vaiheessa liityn remmiin, kunhan opiskelu- ym. kiireet tästä vähän hellittävät :) --Tinwe 07:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Moi! Minä luulin että olen ainoa Suomalainenm Wookieepedialainen! Kiva tuntea muitakin. Minulla on tunnus Suomalaisessa Wookieepediassa. DARTH SIDIOUS2 Discussion board 13:45, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Userbox
Hello, Tinwe. I was just browsing around and I happen to come across your page. I found that I like your Grey Jedi box better than the standard version. Mind if I use your version instead? :)</tt> &mdash;<font color="DB7093">Mir <font color="DB7093"> len  22:05, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I don't mind at all. Go ahead. :) (Just remember to add the thing at the bottom of your user page if you want your name to appear in that category. But you probably figured that out already. :P) --Tinwe 09:44, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Pit Droid Award
I, Graestan the Mighty, hereby award you, Tinwë the Dedicated, with the Pit Droid Award of Diligence for your exceedingly menial&mdash;and, until now, thankless&mdash;work on the image categorization project. Whereas sections such as featured articles are the public face of Wookieepedia, work such as you have been doing is the backbone, and the wiki would not function without people like you. Keep up the good work! Graestan ( Talk ) 14:38, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * You used to be an Inq? Wow, never knew that. Why no more? Graestan ( Talk ) 14:44, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Thank you so much, you just totally made my day! :) Yes, I used to be an Inquisitor, but the whole thing was just bit too much at that point in my life, I thought I could handle it but didn't. The meetings were at a bad time (1 a.m. in Finland), my studies and personal life were somewhat of a mess... And I guess I work better solo. I'm more at home with the "little things" like image categorization anyway. :) --Tinwe 15:36, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Image
Hi Tinwe. I don't think that image is from the movie, but I checked in the IRC channel and the guys there agreed. It's bound to be from some image related source, but just not the movie itself. EDIT: I checked the Databakn which says that "Boles is never seen clearly on screen in Episode I, even though his (empty) Podracer cockpit is" so we can definitely exclude the movie as the source. --Eyrezer 21:36, 13 February 2008 (UTC)