User talk:R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2/Archive 1

Starkeiller, - Sikon 15:51, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Slaughter
Hey, we're slaughtering each other at the Palpatine page! Join us!
 * I think you a little misunderstand the concept of a wiki. The idea is not to "slaughter each other", but to reach consensus and collaboratively improve articles. You could, for example, create new articles, or add informative content to existing articles, or do some cleanup. In these cases, there's usually no need to discuss anything - be bold! However, when making controversial changes, such as calling Palpatine "the most powerful Dark Side practitioner ever", it's best to discuss changes the matter on the talk page first. And if the majority is against you (such as with Palpatine's birth date), please resign yourself, don't disrupt the article. Take a break. Look at other articles. It's an encyclopedia, so it's best to add factual information, not introduce ambiguity. - Sikon 03:42, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I find something that I consider wrong in an encyclopedia people can access freely. I feel I HAVE to correct it. I was adding information in articles, updating them, improving them, until I found what I saw as a mistake. I corrected it. I was corrected in turn. I understood I was doing a mistake. I then turned my "?" to a "84 BBY (?)". But people wanted it their way or else and now I am not allowed to do so. I perfectly understand the concept of Wiki. Anyone can edit it. Now I can't correct the mistake I see? Is it me that does not understand the concept of Wiki now? --Master Starkeiller 14:16, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Your constant edits
I'm afraid you didn't understand what I said earlier: discuss the changes, and then make them after consensus is reached. Don't just state your opinion and then change the article to fit your personal opinion. I do appreciate that you've signed up and are saying things on talk pages, but please wait for consensus before making those changes. – Aidje talk 17:00, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

--Starkeiller 02:23, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)And who decides when a consensus is reached? That's what I'm afraid of...

--Master Starkeiller 23:33, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)Enemies? Come on, guys! I never thought of it that way! Enemies are a thing to be dispised of! A disgusting think that I never thought of when coming here! Can people hate me because, as you said, I am trying to preserve Palpatine's mystique? Will I get locked for a questionmark, a goddamn questionmark, next to the birthdate of a fictional character that deserves a questionmark next to every stat that exists for him? I would be truly dissapointed with Wiki, then... I thought it worked in a democratic way. Am I deluded, and in truth it is run like some kind of dictatorship? I am hopeful that this is not the case, I will not be kicked out, and through democratic means, discussion, we will reach a consensus that satisfies everyone so that we all can add something to this encyclopedia. No, I am hopeful such a thing as "enemies" doesn't exist here, and I'll keep fighting for that questionmark and Palpatine's mystique. When I talked about slaughtering each other, that was a way I considered humorous that described the sitiation. I remain hopeful everybody interpreted it this way... --Master Starkeiller 00:01, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)I am controlling my emotions. It's just the way I support my opinions, it's too... well, I DO support them. And that fact that I'm alone against quite a few people, which means nothing 'cause it's not about opinions, it's about what can be consididered canon. But I ask for civilized discussion. I'm sorry if I angered some people by strongly supporting my opinion. I invite all of them to discuss it with me. I'm sure everyone can be satisfied in the end and nobody will ever be kicked out. --Master Starkeiller 00:30, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)Then I second that advice, but I assure you I had to fight my emotions too. It was I who started the edit war and this thing made me angry too. Now I calmed down, I apologize, I invite all these people that are angry with me to a discussion, and I state that I'll continue to fight for what is not so much my opinion but a possibility in canon that belongs to an encyclopedia a lot of people access freely for accurate information about the Star Wars universe. --Master Starkeiller 22:20, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)Genius. When it's unlocked, we should do that. But I think we should make it, "Palpatine, once supreme ruler of the galaxy, Darth Sidious, once the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith, was finally dead". It' more neutral and sounds grander. The line is for effect, after all. Everybody would be happy that way. --Master Starkeiller 22:18, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)I propose, "The Emperor, cut off from a host body, was destroyed. Palpatine, once supreme ruler of the galaxy, Darth Sidious, once the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith, was finally dead.". It's like recounting Palpatine's greatest achievements. It sounds grand. But, "Cut off from a host body, Emperor Palpatine, the supreme ruler of the Galactic Empire, was destroyed. Darth Sidious, once the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith, was finally dead." sounds fine too. I'd prefer, "The Emperor, cut off from a host body, was destroyed. Palpatine, once supreme ruler of the galaxy, Darth Sidious, once the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith, was finally dead.", but as long as it is neutral enough, it's good. --Master Starkeiller 23:31, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)When and where did he say that? Plus, G.L. has said maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany things and changes his mind waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too often... --Master Starkeiller 23:41, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)Hmmmm... I'll have to find another source for that... But hey, if he said it, he said "Palpatine". Which is my point for the entire age thing anyway... Persona and true face... --Master Starkeiller 23:50, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)I'm saying... ?. We shouldn't actually know. But the Palpatine the galaxy knew was just a persona and that's been estabilished. And the way all the wrinkles appeared in Ep. III when the lightning deformed him... Wrinkles, especially the ones on the neck, aren't a sign of injury. Just look at him in Ep. III. He looks like he's a hundred years old after the fight with Windu. --Master Starkeiller 23:59, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)Exactly. Merely the clone bodies AGING FASTER and being deformed by the Dark Side rules out the injury theory... Dark Empire and Sithisis rule this theory out. And the fingers, look at his fingers in Ep. III... When he is first deformed, his hands look like they used to in his guise as Palpy the Chancy. Then his hands get deformed too, along with his entire body we must presume. His nails become yellow-green and grow, while the hands become pale and wrinkled, and they seem somewhat swollen. He just looks OLD. Like he revealed his true face and age for Anakin to think he's injured, and then let his real body appear too. Whatever Dark Side-oriented injury took place must have had something to do with the things on his forehead and not with the wrinkles. --Master Starkeiller 21:54, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)I'm just so happy to hear that... As a matter of fact, we know NOTHING about Palpatine, and we shouldn't. I'd love to see some stories about him in the future, but always in the pattern of Sithisis and the scene in Labyrinth of Evil where he kills a guy who learns his true identity. Thank you for supporting me.
 * Listen, I understand that you are trying to preserve Palpatine's mystique. I respect that. I respect your desire to improve, and that you stick to your beliefs. And I do not consider you a trouble maker. But I am worried that you are making enemies here. You may have to make a compromise here and there. The Star Wars community is volatile enough. I don't know if users can get locked out, but I'm woories that you might be the first. User:SFH
 * Okay, maybe enemies was a bad choice of word on my part. But you are angering some people. You are going against the opinion of a lot of people. Some people are getting frustrated. And if Star Wars has taught me anything, its the dangers of not controlling your emotions. User:SFH
 * Actually, I respect that you stick by your opinions. And I am trying to help. But it wasn't you I was talking about when I said not controlling your emotions. I'm talking about the other users. User:SFH
 * I have an idea on the "Darth Sidious, Dark Lord" line. How about we make it "Darth Sidious, once the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith, was finally dead"? It acknowledges him as a Sith Lord, yet doesn't specify if he still was during Dark Empire. It's perfectly neutral. User:SFH
 * Wonderful. I know where to place it. "Cut off from a host body, Emperor Palpatine, the supreme ruler of the Galactic Empire, was destroyed. Darth Sidious, once the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith, was finally dead." How does that sound? User:SFH
 * I'd prefer my version because it lists his public title, Emperor Palpatine, followed by his private title, Darth Sidious. But we still need to figure out someway to reason out when he was born. You make a good point that anything Palpatine says is automatically suspect, but George Lucas has said that Palpatine during the prequels is no older than Ian McDiarmand. User:SFH
 * I read it on the Palpatine talk page on Wikipedia. As to Lucas changing his mind...yah, okay, you may have a point there. User:SFH
 * Are you saying Palpatine may be some sort of Force-parasite, jumping from body to body? Or that he simply DID learn Plagueis secret, and used it to stay alive and assume a new identity? User:SFH
 * Good point. Also, it has never been explained how the scars came in on his clone bodies. User:SFH
 * I'm changing my vote on the question mark. You've convinced me that it should be placed up there. There is just so much we do not know about Palpatine that it should be suspect. User:SFH
 * Come on down to the 84 vote, okay? You said you wanted to decide this in a democratic manner. I realize our opinions are just that. But we are voting on a matter of canon, based on the information that we have available. SFH 00:30, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I meant discussion! Didn't we find a fine compromise with the "finally dead" issue? Why can't we do the same with the questionmark? If all these people came and we discussed it, I know we could! --Master Starkeiller 00:33, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Something else related to this: Could you please stop editing your response on Talk pages? All you do is change one word or add one or two. Please stop doing this, as it fills my Watchlist up with "Talk: Palpatine... Starkeiller" way too many times. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 15:59, 20 Sep 2005 (EDT)
 * Oops, sorry, I'm a perfectionist but I post before thinking... So I edit relentlessly. I'll try to restain myself... --Master Starkeiller 16:11, 20 Sep 2005 (EDT)
 * Thank you for understanding. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 16:35, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)