Forum:SH:Filling in Missing Canon Pages

We have previously discussed in two threads (here and here) that we need to work on the switch from having Legends as the default pages to having Canon as the default pages. The justification for keeping Legends as the default early on was that there were not enough Canon pages to justify the switch. The other justification was that, at the time, the new Canon had not yet started. That was a fair decision, I think. Now, however, there's a lot more Canon, especially now that the first season of Rebels is ending, and we have over 2,000 pages. Additionally, the fact that we have Legends as the default instead of Canon is starting to be noticed. We also need to best-serve our readers who are coming to pages like, say, Mustafar (which appears in Rebels) and expecting to find Rebels information there. The future of Star Wars is in Canon, and most of our future contributors and a huge percentage of our readers are going to be because of Canon as well.

Several days ago, I asked more technically-inclined admins if they can come up with a plan for how we can make the switch. We should see the results of that brainstorming soon.

In the meantime, we want to make sure that the switch from Legends-default to Canon-default is as effective as possible. One of the ways to do that is to fill in as many /Canon links as possible. That way, they are already created, and the tab change can be done automatically for as many pages as possible, rather than having to change many, many pages by hand. I have put together a list of every /Canon redlink from Special:WantedPages. This is not every Canon page, just a) the ones with /Canon AND b) the ones that appear on WantedPages. That special page only goes up to 1,000 pages, so there are surely more /Canon pages that are redlinks. As we fill in the ones already on the page, though, we'll start to see more /Canon pages appear in the list.

Below is the current list of /Canon pages that appear. If you are interested in participating in the efforts to document Canon, or you're already participating, please feel free to begin creating these pages. Just keep some things in mind:


 * As always, follow the requirements Manual of Style and the Layout Guide. Even if you're making stub pages, we want the information that you put on the page to look great!
 * Use an image whenever possible, and make sure the image properly sourced.
 * Make sure that the name of the subject appears in a Canon source and/or meets the exceptions of the notability policy. The policy currently allows conjectural names only for events and notable personal weapons. If you're not sure of the source of the name, or you're not sure if it has one, please leave the page on the list without creating it. We can review at the end.
 * Make sure every bit of information you add to a page is referenced to official canon sources.
 * Have fun!

If you have any questions, feel free to leave them in the Discussion section or contact me personally. Thanks! - Brandon Rhea (talk) 20:50, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

Wanted Canon pages
Once you have created a page on this list, or if you notice someone else has created it, please remove it from the list.

'''ATTENTION: Please do not add anymore links to this list. Please focus on creating the pages that we have here. Once we get through this list, we will see what redlinks are still on Special:WantedPages. This will allow us to show clear progress towards filling in redlinks, and we can evaluate where we stand once we create these pages.'''

Discussion

 * Hey Brandon, good idea! Just a question regarding a situation, and not sure if/how it will affect the list here:
 * RC-1140 is currently the legends page for the Clone Commando "Fixer" from the Republic Commando game
 * Fixer (clone commando) is currently the corresponding canon page
 * As such, RC-1140/Canon is a redlink.
 * Would this be picked up by the process you're using to populate the above list? Manoof (talk) 02:00, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

It wasn't linked to anything, so it would not appear in Wanted Pages. This is just for pages that are current redlinks. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 02:06, March 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * So the intention is to really just go after the ones that actually say "/Canon" and not worry about anything that has a different name in Canon for now? I guess I can do that. Here are some ones that you missed, and which I'm planning to create anyway. All of them appear in A New Hope Read-Along Storybook and CD:
 * Cloak/Canon
 * Gangster/Canon
 * Wingmate/Canon


 * This last one I'm not sure about. The term used in the book is technically "Wingman," but that's really just a gender specific version of "Wingmate." I imagine there's probably going to be more once The Empire Strikes Back Read-Along Storybook and CD comes out on the 10th. My hope is turn to all of the Read-Along Storybook and CD articles into status articles. ProfessorTofty (talk) 03:03, March 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's about ones that have /Canon on them, because those are the ones that are actually going to require page name changes. As for the ones I missed, those aren't on Special:WantedPages yet. As I said, my list is not complete because WantedPages only shows 1,000 pages at a time. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 03:08, March 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ah, that explains it, then. Okay, I'll keep an eye out and if I see any others with /Canon that haven't been posted here yet, then I'll post them. Also, I've struck out, Scavenger, since I just did it, as well as a few on your list that have gone blue. Hope you don't mind. If you do, just let me know, and I'll stop. 03:17, March 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Has the YT-1300 actually been named in Canon? Corellian Premier Jedi symbol.svg Force will be with you always 03:14, March 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Not that I'm aware of. You could ask Nivlacanator if there was anything in the Star Wars Journeys: Beginning app though, since the Falcon was in Episode III. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 03:18, March 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * It certainly isn't in the Databank or the old Encyclopedia, and judging from the Appearances listing of Star Wars in 100 Scenes, not there either. I think a lot of us have just been running with it, assuming it was named somewhere, but right now, it looks like the answer is no. ProfessorTofty (talk) 03:21, March 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * FWI, there's no info on the Falcon in Beginnings. -  AV-6R7 User talk:AV-6R7 23:47, March 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * As a note, when looking at /Canon titles with backlinks and no article at the title, be aware that all Legends articles without a canon counterpart generate a single "link" to /Canon due to the internal workings of the Eras template. This is not a bug, but a feature of MediaWiki (retrieving information about another page, such as whether it exists, is recorded as a link in "what links here" so that users are aware that one page is dependent on another). So if a /Canon title has a single link to it, check "what links here" and the article linking to it to make sure that it isn't purely one of these phantom "links". &mdash;MJ&mdash; Council Chambers 07:02, March 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Jonathan. I had considered that as well. That's not an issue for this current list, though. There's nothing on Special:WantedPages with less than 5 links to it. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 07:07, March 2, 2015 (UTC)
 * Abafar/Canon has been taken care of. -  AV-6R7 User talk:AV-6R7 00:20, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * It was identified as "YT-1300 light freighter" in Star Wars: Galactic Defense! And another ambiguous source I cannot recall. Nivlacanator, 21:52, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks! - Brandon Rhea (talk) 06:32, March 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * Where is the Techo Union Starship ever called the Hardcell-class interstellar transport in Canon? -  AV-6R7 User talk:AV-6R7 21:14, March 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * Looks like its another Galactic Defense appearance. Ayrehead02 (talk) 15:28, March 8, 2015 (UTC)

For ease of tracking progress, I have created a simple Lua module to count the number of items in the list, and placed that count at the top of the list. It will update automatically every time a link is added or removed. &mdash;MJ&mdash; Council Chambers 08:19, March 17, 2015 (UTC)

Is the Imperial Speeder Bike described here in the Databank the same thing as the 74-Z speeder bike/Canon? They don't look exactly the same, as the one in the Databank from Star Wars Rebels says it's white. Also it has a different seating position, it has a larger and boxier behind, and it has a spherical bump in between the troopers' legs that has blasters attached. None of these things are present in the 74-Z.-- Richterbelmont10  ( come in R2! ) 18:01, April 1, 2015 (UTC) This might be helpful: There are a number of redlinks in the article Databank (website). Each of them has an actual entry in the official Starwars.com Databank. All you have to do is copy the info from the Databank into the new article using your own words.-- Richterbelmont10  ( come in R2! ) 21:21, April 1, 2015 (UTC)
 * Just to be clear, are we considering the old Clone Wars starwars.com episode guides canon or not? Because that's the only potentially canon source I can find that actually refers to brain worms as brain worms. ProfessorTofty (talk) 18:44, March 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * We are, yes. Cevan (talk) 20:58, March 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Good to know. ProfessorTofty (talk) 23:44, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * To clarify, not the old, Web-Archived guides, just the ones that are currently on the main site. Which should be all right as the episode guide for Brain Invaders refers to them as both brain worms and Geonosian brain worms. Operative lm (talk) 23:59, March 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * No, that's the 614-AvA speeder bike. -  AV-6R7 User talk:AV-6R7 19:09, April 1, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you!-- Richterbelmont10  R2 sig.jpg( come in R2! ) 19:42, April 1, 2015 (UTC)


 * Okay, so as we're really moving in on paring down the list now, I'd like to clarify a few points:

- In trying to create the article for Mak Plain, I couldn't find anything on the Star Wars website or anything else obvious that suggests that he was actually identified by name on the The Clone Wars TV show. Was the character named in the credits?

- At least a couple of these, such as Chiss/Canon and Force Storm/Canon, are referenced only to Star Wars: Commander or Star Wars: Galactic Defense, which I don't have. So we could use the help of someone who has those games to get the info on that. Also, from the talk page, there seems to be a concern as to whether Commander even carries any canonicity whatsoever.

- I can't find anything that suggests "The Matter of Using Toydarian Territory to Aide the Shipment of Relief Supplies to the Citizens of Ryloth" was actually referred to by that lengthy name in the episode. If it wasn't, does it even get an article? ProfessorTofty (talk) 18:20, April 4, 2015 (UTC)


 * For your first point, Mak Plain's name is given in the episode gallery of the "An Old Friend" episode guide. He may be named in the "Pursuit of Peace" credits as well, but someone will have to check that. For your third point, King Katuunko says that name in the episode as the Toydarian Council is about to hear Senator Organa and Senator Dod's arguments. Cevan (talk) 18:27, April 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * Took care of Chiss/Canon for you. There wasn't very much about them in the game. Operative lm (talk) 04:57, April 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Cevan and Operative lm! ProfessorTofty (talk) 01:45, April 6, 2015 (UTC)


 * Does anyone know of any canon uses of "Confederate Navy"? All of the incoming links on "What links here" are from in-universe pages and not articles, with the exception of "Rookies," and when I check that, it's only in the plot summary and not the Appearances. I also couldn't find it in the Databank. ProfessorTofty (talk) 11:19, April 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * Could someone double-check me on "Tikkes" as well? I can't find any canon references other than that the character appears in all three of the prequel films, but I do not see the character by name in the closing credits for any of them. ProfessorTofty (talk) 18:07, April 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * I was looking for Tikkes this morning and couldn't find anything that names him. Unless he show's up in either of the Journeys mobile games I don't think he's been named. Ayrehead02 (talk) 19:41, April 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * Got it. Well, we've certainly had people adding Appearances from those games, such as Haruun Kal, so seeing as that wasn't added, I'm going to go ahead now and remove him from the list, as well as the existing links out there. If it turns out he is out there somewhere, I suppose he can always be added back, but for now, there's just no evidence of it. ProfessorTofty (talk) 23:11, April 12, 2015 (UTC)
 * Tikkes is ided in the Prisoners Trivia Gallery. I would also try Star Wars in 100 Scenes. -  AV-6R7 User talk:AV-6R7 05:10, April 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Tikkes has been created, but we still need a Canon image. -  AV-6R7 User talk:AV-6R7 06:05, April 16, 2015 (UTC)


 * Anyone know if Malé-Dee was seen in Revenge of the Sith anywhere other than just deleted scenes? ProfessorTofty (talk) 14:18, April 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * He's there but... not for very long. Operative lm (talk) 14:57, April 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * That's still good enough. Thanks for the info! ProfessorTofty (talk) 16:04, April 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure we need both disruptor and disruptor rifle as articles giving that it's referring to a single weapon in canon at the moment. The two pages will identical in all information apart from saying disruptor rifle was a type of disruptor. Ayrehead02 (talk) 13:04, April 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree. -  AV-6R7 User talk:AV-6R7 23:53, April 21, 2015 (UTC)
 * Agreeing, and I'll now take the appropriate measures to clear the links, etc. ProfessorTofty (talk) 15:38, April 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Anyone know of the term "call sign" actually being used anywhere? Couldn't find it in the databank or on the Star Wars website. ProfessorTofty (talk) 16:31, April 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Here's a couple I found:
 * image #1, "Arvel Crynyd - whose callsign was Green Leader"
 * image #12, Grizz Frix used "Luke Skywalker's old callsign of Red 5"-- Richterbelmont10  R2 sig.jpg( come in R2! ) 21:58, April 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * I see. I didn't think of that. I guess we'll create this at callsign then. ProfessorTofty (talk) 23:32, April 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Will you actually be creating it? It's better for this process to have the page created, rather than the redirect template added. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 23:33, April 23, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'm working on it now. ProfessorTofty (talk) 00:06, April 24, 2015 (UTC)


 * I can't seem to find any source that identities the LR1K sonic cannon and Hardcell-class interstellar transport as such. -  AV-6R7 User talk:AV-6R7 02:56, April 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * The only thing linking to either of them is Galactic Defense. So it doesn't actually refer to either of them using those names? ProfessorTofty (talk) 03:34, April 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I guess that I missed that. Thanks, ProfToft. -  AV-6R7 User talk:AV-6R7 03:36, April 24, 2015 (UTC)

Alright, so this is it. The list is empty. So, time to discuss what we do next. Now, when we first started out with this, I kind of had the impression that we were going to focus on high-impact articles with lots of links in the hope that it would make things easier for the big switchover. But at some point, a bunch of links got added for stuff that was linked from maybe one source if that, or wasn't even named anywhere. If the plan now is to continue with this, then for the time being, I'm really not interested in working on any more pages that I have to hunt down just to identify if it was ever mentioned by name in canon anywhere. Oh, and I realize I still have three redlinks I mentioned personally above that haven't been filled yet. I'll take care of those this evening once I get home and have access to my copy of the book. ProfessorTofty (talk) 16:53, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * I've been keeping my own list of Canon pages that need creating that I've confirmed have been mentioned in a Canon source that most likely haven't been mentioned on any other Canon pages thus far. I'll try to create pages for some of them later, however once we decide where to go from here I can add them to a list (assuming we make a new one). Cevan (talk) 17:25, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * With the creation of these important(and not so important) pages, I believe we can now realistically consider a switchover. Yes, many of these pages are less than ideal, but the switchover would cause these incomplete pages to be seen more often, and promote improvements to them. -  AV-6R7 User talk:AV-6R7 19:26, April 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * Brandon, you mentioned you were talking with some of those in-the-know about a technical solution to make the switchover possible. Was there ever any news on that? ProfessorTofty (talk) 19:41, April 25, 2015 (UTC)

Just wanted to remind everyone about Category:Canon articles at redirect pages. It's worth combing through to see which are still valid after Ultimate Star Wars. --Alientraveller (talk) 14:30, April 29, 2015 (UTC)

Next steps
So, to answer some of the questions already posed and some that you might have:


 * 1) Why have you added more pages to the list? Because the work will always be ongoing, regardless of when we make the default switch. So I created the list to show what we currently know about our total number of canonical Wanted Pages. We should continue working on that, regardless of whether we make the default switch now or later.
 * 2) Was there ever any news on the technical solution? No. It's time for Cade Calrayn to chime in on that.
 * 3) What's next? We need to get a sense of the wider community. I will work on that. However, I think it's time for admins to chime in on this.

Those are our next steps right now. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 20:18, April 25, 2015 (UTC)


 * Well, if no one else will chime in, I will. IIRC, I voted in the original tab system CT for Canon-as-default back then, and I stand by that now. The amount of extra work it creates should never, ever prevent us from doing what is best for our readers, who massively outnumber editors. The sooner we make the switch, the better. &mdash;MJ&mdash; Comlink 16:57, May 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * The technical plan has already been established and discussed with Brandon; it's simply a matter of giving me advance warning to compile some data for RoboCade and also to find a good length of time to do it. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  17:15, May 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * Great. I think the only way we'll ever get wide input on this is to push it to CT. There seems to be a large number of users that never post their opinions in the SH and wait until a CT pops up to chime in. &mdash;MJ&mdash; Council Chambers 17:22, May 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * Please don't start a CT yet. I want to be confident in its passage before one is created. Because if it fails, then that makes it all the more difficult to get this done. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 17:23, May 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * I didn't say I was going to start a CT; I'm leaving that to you. What I'm saying is that we will never get the wide-ranging input that you seem to want until we go to CT. &mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> Holocomm</b> 17:26, May 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * We've been discussing this in detail for several months now. Brandon, what in particular are you still hoping to see and what would help to assuage your worries that there isn't enough support for this to pass? ProfessorTofty (talk) 18:23, May 18, 2015 (UTC)
 * Agreed. We now have less than seven months before The Force Awakens hits theaters, and the lead-up to that is well underway, with quite a bit of material being added now to the new canon, from novels to comics to games to (finally!) reference guides. Dragging our feet on making the switch isn't doing our readers OR our editors any favors. jSarek (talk) 09:18, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * It feels like I'm betraying my own feelings, but... yes. We need to do it as soon as possible. (Egad! what am I saying?) --LelalMekha (talk) 09:42, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * How many voters do we need to summon to defeat the previous CT?-- Richterbelmont10  R2 sig.jpg( come in R2! ) 16:38, May 25, 2015 (UTC)

Guys, chill. It'll be ready soon. I'm still talking to people to find out where everyone stands. I want to make sure a CT will actually pass before we make a CT. Because if we're going to create a CT out of impatience and then that CT fails, then we've made it all the more difficult to finish this process. I'd rather get it done right than done fast. @Richter - this option wasn't "defeated" in the previous CT, so I don't think the rules you're referring to apply. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 16:50, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * That's cool, then. Are there any specific concerns you're hearing that could be helped out here other than just creating more /Canon pages, or is it just general conversation that you're trying to get more of? ProfessorTofty (talk) 21:50, May 25, 2015 (UTC)
 * The latter. I don't want to start a CT unless I know what the result is going to be. For something this big, a CT should essentially feel like an exercise in going through the motions to get us to what the consensus already is. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 04:08, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * Brandon, I thought there was a rule somewhere where we needed more participants to reverse the decision of a previous CT. So don't we need more participants in a new CT that is greater than the number of participants in the last CT that voted to keep Legends as the default?-- Richterbelmont10  R2 sig.jpg( come in R2! ) 17:22, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * There is a rule, but I believe that's just for options that were defeated. I don't think this counts as defeated, because the original CT explicitly stated that the default tab would be changed eventually. An admin can correct me if I'm wrong. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 17:35, May 26, 2015 (UTC)
 * That was my understanding as well. Since the previous one explicitly left the door open for a future change, then that would seem to indicate that rule doesn't apply. Otherwise, why bother say it at all, since, after all, without saying that it could still be changed anyway if there were enough numbers to vote it down? ProfessorTofty (talk) 01:17, May 28, 2015 (UTC)