Talk:Vitiate


 * 1) The Emperor is referred to universally as the Sith Emperor in Star Wars: The Old Republic, which was released after The Old Republic: Revan.
 * 2) The Codex of The Old Republic explicitly states in the entry "Galactic History 30: Rise of the Sith Emperor" that "No record of the Sith Emperor's original identity has survived, but he was quickly accepted as the leader of the almost-shattered Sith Empire."
 * 3) While The Essential Reader's Companion does refer to him as "Emperor Vitiate" in the Dramatis Personae of The Old Republic: Revan, the book does not mention this title at all. The plot summary for the novel does not mention the name "Vitiate" once, and the Dramatis Personae for the book also erroneously identifies the Emperor as a Human.
 * 4) The Star Wars: The Old Republic Encyclopedia refers to him as the Sith Emperor throughout its entirety, only referring to him as Vitiate while describing his history before the Ritual of Nathema (when he became immortal). From the Timeline section's entry on 5,113 BBY: "The child who will become known as the Sith Emperor is born."
 * 5) Star Wars: The Old Republic: Annihilation, which is set after the Emperor's apparent death, does not refer to him as Vitiate a single time.
 * 6) Darth Plagueis is written from the perspective of a Sith Lord who has access to information and resources far beyond that of the rest of the galaxy, meaning that Plagueis could have discovered the name of Vitiate in his research into immortality.
 * 7) The Journal of Master Gnost-Dural, page 57: "I was stunned to discover that the original identity of the Emperor is unknown to his subjects. To the citizens of the Empire, the Emperor's life before his ascendancy is not worth contemplating. There is simply no record of it." This is part of Gnost-Dural's research into the Emperor's history, using the databases of an Imperial vessel.
 * 8) Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Praji, an in-universe article set in 104 ABY, refers to him as "the resurgent Sith Emperor." While this was published before Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan revealed the name of Vitiate, it still overrides the Darth Plagueis mention in chronological terms.
 * 9) The Old Republic: Revan, which is the first to reveal the name Vitiate, does not use it again other than when referring to the Sith during his life before the Ritual.
 * 10) From the exact text of The Old Republic: Revan: "Their deaths also made him stronger than any Sith who had come before, and he ceased to be known as Lord Vitiate. On that day, the Emperor was truly born."

True body?


So, I'm curious, has anyone official ever confirmed the identity of the body encountered in Act 2 of the Jedi Knight story? Is this the true Emperor shrouded in wrappings, or is it yet another Voice? I don't want speculation, of course, just confirmation.--ARC Commander Colt (talk) 02:15, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * The Voss Voice was confirmed to have been the Voice between 3,649 BBY&mdash;Act III, and the Hand's messages to the Wrath make it clear that the Emperor's body is in a sort of hibernation while controlling his Voice. Plus, the Encyclopedia makes it explicitly clear that the Emperor is incredibly terrified of death&mdash;that's why he created the Voice and the Children in the first place. While he's also supremely confident of his powers, it's highly unlikely that he would risk placing his true body in a situation where there is even the smallest possibility of harm, and the Jedi strike team was more than a possibility of harm. I don't know if that's confirmation enough for you, but that's what I determined during my research. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  02:21, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * So if I'm reading you right, it's just another Voice. Huh.--ARC Commander Colt (talk) 02:30, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * To be specific, it's this Voice, yes. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  02:32, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * But wouldn't that Voice still be stuck on Voss, or did he not go there until right before the Wrath is sent there?--ARC Commander Colt (talk) 02:39, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, there's several months between the events on the Emperor's fortress and the death of that Voice, and the Emperor isn't on his fortress while the Hero is being trained as a Sith. The Emperor was freed from Voss only shortly before the Knight goes to Voss, as Scourge can sense the Emperor's presence when they go to the Dark Heart. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  02:44, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Most Powerful Sith of the Old Republic era
The SWTOR Encyclopedia and 2 Codex Entries in Star Wars: The Old Republic make it clear that the Sith Emperor is the most powerful Sith Lord up until the the end of the Cold War and the onset of the Second Great Galactic War.

Should this be included in his profile? MasterOfEnlightenment (talk) 18:33, October 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * So long as we source them and carefully word it so that it doesn't violate NPOV, I see no reason why we shouldn't. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:55, October 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Actually, one final question: You alluded to two Codex entries that claimed him to be the most powerful Sith up to the onset of the Second Great Galactic War. Can you give me the specific Codex entries (names will be enough if necessary) so I can specify those particular sources in the powers and abilities section. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:36, October 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * As it's my FA, I'll add it in when I have time, though it's speculation to claim that the Emperor stops being the most powerful. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  02:22, October 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, all I can say is that any implications that he stopped being the most powerful after that point was not my intent. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 04:16, October 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * I have recently created a comprehensive profile about merits of Emperor Vitiate in a source known as comicvine: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/. I believe that this profile contains ample information that can be useful for consultations. -S_W_LeGenD (talk) 16:12, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

Realy dead in "Darth Plagueis"?
Can we be 100% sure he's dead? It was just said by Plagueis, but that only mean he think. he's dead. In TOR many ppl say he's dead and we know he isn't so it could still be a secret (or forgotten or anything)... I don't think we can be 100% sure that Plagueis is right ... --SoranPanoko (talk) 23:01, January 8, 2014 (UTC) Not being immortal just mean he can die... but that's not the point. He died official in TOR but he surived secretly, so maybe plagueis only think he's dead because the hole Galaxy think so, because he's still sleeping. Sure, he will die at some point, but since we don't know when, we can't be sure that he is allready dead... until they write a book or something about it--Soran 01:14, January 9, 2014 (UTC)
 * Plagueis clearly refers to the Emperor as 'not being immortal, meaning that he's dead. We haven't seen his actual death yet, but he still dies. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  23:05, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

As energy can only be transformed or transferred, rather than created and/or destroyed, Plagueis might have been able to project his astral essence into a hidden, holocron-like device at the moment Palpatine killed the former's corporeal body. Similar to the Darkside Talisman of Karness Muur! So, the same thing might hold equally true for the last True Sith Emperpor.68.198.231.207 22:35, February 15, 2015 (UTC)User Carycomic
 * Which is completely irrelevant. We don't write mights and maybes into our articles&mdash;just what we can confirm as factual. &mdash; DigiFluid(Whine here) 00:26, February 18, 2015 (UTC)