Talk:Conan Antonio Motti/Legends

Romodi
What is the source for the first name of "Romodi" for Admiral Motti? -- Riffsyphon1024 05:03, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I've done a search on this. It appears 'Romodi' was used in desperation. In the Star Wars novelization, there is an officer called Romodi in the place of Motti. This may have been mistaken to be his first name. Then again, maybe not... http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/admiralmotti/?id=bts
 * It says that was a different character that was replaced by Motti. I would strike "Romodi". --SparqMan 03:09, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * I checked the novelization today. Romodi and Motti are different characters in the book. Romodi should be struck. --SparqMan 02:36, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Rank
In A New Hope, Motti had the rank Insignia of a Commodore when he, in actuality, was an admiral. Why?--Herbsewell 00:04, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Really. A Commodore. I thought he was a Rear Admiral or a Vice Admiral? Jedi Wolf 3:56, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Conan Antonio Motti
LMAO! It really can't be disputed. It's from the man himself, or, as Lucas puts it, "the big G". Adamwankenobi 05:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC) You can't assume things Lucas has said outside of the context of Lucasfilm itself are canon. As Leland Chee says, "But when taking George's statements into account for the Holocron's continuity notes, I have to consider a) when the statement was made (something he said from the 70's may no longer pertain to his current vision of Star Wars), b) the source of the statement (a non-LFL sources could be a misquote), and c) the context of the statement (was George making a joke or off-the cuff remark? Was it something said to someone behind-the-scenes to elicit a certain performance, not necessarily part of continuity?) There are relatively few notes from George in the Holocron that are derived from public statements; most of the notes from him are from things that George gives to Licensing directly." jSarek 08:23, 2 May 2007 (UTC) Well. Seems that the whole 'Conan Antonio Motti' thing was just a joke. As said by the Late Night with Conan O'Brien Web Blog. 64.231.164.88 02:33, 3 May 2007 (UTC) If an off-the-cuff comment during an interview counts as G-canon, then Yoda's species is officially "frog", right? -- SM-716 talk? 21:15, 7 May 2007 (UTC) ''See, the question that Jordan asked involved a character from the first film (the guy who gets strangled by Vader) whose full name was never mentioned in the actual movie. In fact, he's only referred to in the credits, where he is listed as "Admiral Motti". Jordan asked Lucas Admiral Motti's full name, to which Lucas replied (as a joke), "Conan Antonio Motti". No big deal, right?''
 * Oh man, Star Wars canon is awesome and hilarious. Kaje 05:16, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I never imagined we'd be using Late Night with Conan O'Brien as a source. LOL! Adamwankenobi 05:34, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Complete Bullshit. Lucas was joking and so that does not make this canon until it is established in a Lucas approved publication. --  Riffsyphon  1024 06:00, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * How do we know he was joking? And even if he was, that doesn't necessarily stop it from being canon. Havac 06:08, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * True, but on a comedy show? --  Riffsyphon  1024 06:17, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * If he'd wanted to joke, he could have called him "Admiral Conan" or "Conan O'Chokebait" or "Larry". Taking the time to get the name "Motti" right suggests it wasn't a completely off-the-wall answer. Havac 06:47, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Apparently there is an actual person named Antonio Motti. Adamwankenobi 06:52, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Larry is already taken. And that's just weird. --  Riffsyphon  1024 06:59, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I was going for something like this when I heard of it, but I lack JSarek's ability to tap Chee's quotes. So, what the hell: I went with it. Still, there are any number of ways to shut this issue down. Most specifically, the new Visual Guide feature on the official website can put this to bed as soon as they get to the conference room sequence. Give him a name, it's done. If they did it for Wermis, they can do it for Motti. But somebody'd better check with Lucas first, or somebody will have egg on their face, and it certainly won't be him. Erik Pflueger [[Image:Republican Emblem.png|20px]] 12:43, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Wookieepedia has influenced canon before. Havac 05:17, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That's not something we should be aspiring to. We shouldn't have anything acanonical to be influencing canon in the first place. Everytime we influence canon, it means we have failed in our duties in some way. jSarek 08:53, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I would venture that Padawan Masacre an Jedi Exile are permissible, due to them being legit conjecture. But this is too far. Where's the common sense that slapped the non-canon tag on the little Fett? Thefourdotelipsis 09:17, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * This is the biggest load of crap. This is not canon. - JMAS 02:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. And it shouldn't even come to a vote. How about the Colbert thing? Is that canon? Thefourdotelipsis 02:42, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * My suggestion: Change any reference of "Conan Antonio Motti" back to "Motti" and ask someone like Leland Chee. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 13:00, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * We should wait until we get an answer just in case, in order to save any possible extra work. Adamwankenobi 21:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Except Lucas has said that was a joke. The most recent time someone has brought up Yoda's species (during his online moviephone Q&A with Hayden), he said he had never really gave Yoda a species. And then there was the time he joked that Anakin got his scar by slipping in the bathtub. But he then stated that it isn't his job, but rather Howard Roffman's, to come up with those details. But with Motti's full name, he said it halfway seriously, and never said it was a joke. I don't know. Let's just ask Chee. Adamwankenobi 21:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, there's nothing that contradicts this, unlike other aforementioned Lucas statements. -- Ozzel 22:30, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, did Lucas laugh when he said "Conan Antonio Motti", or was he serious? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:29, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Having seen the video, I think the best way to describe it would be "deadpan." But keep in mind it was in response to a serious attempt to "stump the creator" with a trivia question. Enochf 23:32, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, we need to ask an official now. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:34, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * On late night talk shows, nothing is serious. jSarek 23:38, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * True. ;) But we need to ask Leland Chee ASAP. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:40, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Also, about the "frog" thing: It's been outranked by higher canon. Nothing has established Motti's name any higher than this G-canon. I'm all for sticking the ambig tag until we have confirmation from Chee or some other official. Jorrel [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Fraajic 23:41, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it was pretty obviously a joke. A scripted joke. We all know that Mr Lucas don't put to much energy in memorizing all species and names in the SW-universe. The whole "this is not the real Vader suit" etc was a running gag climaxing in the "experts" challenge to George. The joke was that Lucas knew the answer, and also could add the characters first name (thus beeing master of his creation). But since the namne clearly was a nod to Conan O´Brian I don't think we should take it to serious. But then again, we DO have Canon characters with pretty silly names already...so....whatever =)--Draii 23:44, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's the thing. Many of the names for characters, especially those in the EU, are "in-jokes". I don't see how this is any different to, say, Elan Sleazbaggano. QuentinGeorge 11:26, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we do have a green rabbit in canon already, plus a living mountain... &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 00:29, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I say keep it at Conan. It's from Lucas himself, and there is nothing in the EU to contradict it (for the moment). Joke or not, the name itself isn't that farfetched. --Azizlight 01:24, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, not to be rude, Aziz or anyone else, but we're not the ones who can decide whether or not Lucas's statement was canon, after all. That's why we have to ask Leland Chee about this. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 11:23, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The problem is, Mr. Chee hasn't been answering *any* questions lately. jSarek 11:45, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Per Jack. Who are we to decide "Okay, statement A was a joke, but he was serious about statement B"? We're making an assumption here that Lucas was being serious... and I was under the impression that assumptions are a pretty major no-no around here. Besides, didn't he also agree to put Artoo-Mister-Teetoo and Jewbacca in the live-action show? (I'm going solely from memory on that one, by the way... can't check YouTube at work.) I've got no problem with the actual name Conan Antonio Motti-- I like it, personally. I just think that taking every single word out of George's mouth as canon, whether it's an LFL-published product or broadcast on a non-canon network talk show, is setting a bad precedent that's going to open a lot of floodgates.... -- SM-716 [[Image:716chiss.gif]] talk? 17:26, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * jSarek: Then we find someone else to ask. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 19:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * For now, there's a disputed tag, since it's pretty obvious from this page, that it's in dispute. Personally, I think it shouldn't be used unless there's some other confirmation. Every word out of Lucas' mouth isn't canonical. Granted, it's interesting that they actually chose an unnamed character. The Star Wars geek(s) on Conan's staff must have done it purposely. So, I say we leave it with the disputed tag until we get some other source. I'll agree if Chee does say it's right, though. --JMM 22:27, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not like we could disagree, anyway. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 00:50, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I like the whole "disputed name tag" solution. It probably is, in the end, the only intelligent decision we could make. How long to leave it on? I don't know. My suggestion: wait until the Visual Guide gets to the conference room and give it a chance either to confirm or deny or replace the name. If we get something different we replace everything. If we get nothing - and we'd damn well better not - then we'll just purge the Conan Antonio altogether. We've lived with a first-name-less Motti for thirty years; if necessary, we'll wait a little longer. Someday they WILL get around to it. Who knows? Maybe this little flap will actually force the issue and produce a definitive answer! We can always hope... Erik Pflueger [[Image:Republican Emblem.png|20px]] 03:56, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Good idea. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 11:31, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * There's an Alfonso Luiz Obota, a Xiong Wong, and a Larry... why not a "Conan Antonio"? Besides, who knows, maybe the canonical spelling is more Star Wars-esque, like "Koh'nan Antonyo" or something. KEJ 21:59, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * And, of course, there's a Jack Nebulax... Oh wait. ;) &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 00:02, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The question isn't "Do we like it or not," the question is "Is it official?" But the disputed tag is a good solution. -- SM-716 [[Image:716chiss.gif]] talk? 18:43, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * For now. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 19:32, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I think that we're taking this "canon" thing too far. No, it's just "Motti" until Mr. Lucas says otherwise. Who agrees?  Darth Anxor [[Image:Sithempire2.png|20px]] Sith Order  03:10, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Mr. Lucas *DID* say otherwise; that's what got us started on this in the first place. jSarek 03:14, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 19:48, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * If it ends up being brushed off by LFL, that'd be too bad, because it really is a nice name. Does sound like something a nigh-aristocrat officer would be called. :) VT-16 19:58, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, it does fit in rather well with that of his tablemate, Cassio Tagge, doesn't it? jSarek 05:37, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, yes it does. VT-16 10:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I never thought of that... It actually does sound good. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 11:15, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I figure that just Antonio Motti sounds good next to Cassio Tagge, but I just don't know about the Conan part of it. Still, if that's what it becomes, I'll grin and bear it. The problem is, we really don't know yet, do we? All of this is just up in the air still. May I submit that we just wait out the Visual Guide, if nothing else? Erik Pflueger [[Image:Republican Emblem.png|20px]] 00:52, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * There's really nothing else to do. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 11:28, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Does Wookieepedia make canon? Based on the following text taken from the NBC blog, it was a joke, no to be taken seriously.:

Wrong.

''See, because Lucas is the supreme creator of the Star Wars universe, when he says something it becomes real. Oh yeah. I think you hear what I'm saying, party people: There is now officially a Star Wars character named after Conan!! HOW AWECELLET IS THAT?! The Star Wars wiki Wookieepedia has already incorporated the change into the Star Wars Mythology! Man! This week couldn't get any better!''
 * Pay particular attention to the bolded text. - JMAS 17:00, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

So basically the question is - is this new name for Motti Conan? I mean Canon. --80.176.158.128 18:05, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * So what's your point, JMAS? Many of us are challenging the situation ourselves. And many of us have read that blog at the source. And we're still having this argument. Again, can we please just leave it be for a few weeks? Erik Pflueger [[Image:Republican Emblem.png|20px]] 18:08, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

The fact that this comment has stirred up such a fuss is very telling of the too-hardcore nature of many SW fans. Yes, George Lucas is the highest official on SW matters, but that doesn't mean that the man doesn't have a sense of humour. Others have pointed out that he's made jokes before, such as Anakin receiving his scar by slipping in the bathtub, and this case is no different. To make a joke, one does not have to put a disclaimer in front of it calling it a joke. Motti's name is not Conan --- do you know what's going to happen if Leland answers this question for us? He's probably going to laugh at us. Seriously, people. Menkooroo 18:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a legitimate argument, as joke names have been made before that have been accepted into canon. Soon Baytes anyone? Adamwankenobi 18:36, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly. And, Menkooroo, this is the Star Wars encyclopedia that we're all on. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 19:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, really, and he's complaining about how hardcore we are. Well, what are we supposed to be here, softcore? Screw that noise... Erik Pflueger [[Image:Republican Emblem.png|20px]] 22:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The only good softcore is softcore porn. I want my porn with a plot, dammit! But seriously, I realized a couple of things --- one, I don't know why I made my earlier post so adamant, and two, if Leland were to confirm it, I would laugh. Sooooo... ignore the fervor of my last post (for I, too, am a hardcore SW fan --- I believe I was looking for a word other than hardcore). But I still think that we should await some sort of higher word before we do anything to the title of the article. ie, change it back to "Motti". Menkooroo 05:24, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * However, the following statement from my original post still stands: "Yes, George Lucas is the highest official on SW matters, but that doesn't mean that the man doesn't have a sense of humour. Others have pointed out that he's made jokes before, such as Anakin receiving his scar by slipping in the bathtub, and this case is no different. To make a joke, one does not have to put a disclaimer in front of it calling it a joke." Menkooroo 05:24, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * So far, there is nothing to contradict this. Therefore, it's fine until said otherwise. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 10:59, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Menkooroo: You can have hardcore porn, with a plot. Final offer. ;) Erik Pflueger [[Image:Republican Emblem.png|20px]] 21:29, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh yes it can. Richard LeParmentier confirmed that is not the name of his character and that it was indeed a joke to humor the show's host. So lets please change the article back to the way it was and just put this joke as a footnote. I mean come on, George Lucas is allowed to play jokes.--CmdrMitthrawnuruodo 12:48, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Provide a link. Also, don't post in the middle of discussions. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 12:51, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think Sue Rostoni has confirmed it: .  Of course, the book isn't out until September, so there's time for it to be changed. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 00:03, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, confirmed. I guess that settles that. QuentinGeorge 07:44, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ladies and gentlemen... I'm eating my words, and loving it. I actually think that this is awesome. :^) Menkooroo 02:52, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * As do I. And, best of all, IT'S CANON! :-P Jorrel [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Fraajic 03:26, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Bullets?
I added some bullets to the Behind the Scenes section, and they were removed. I thought the use of the bullets was common to the Behind the Scenes sections. ? --JMM 21:51, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * We've been moving away from that recently. It is generally agreed that clean paragraphs look better and more professional, so we reserve the use of bullets for actual lists. QuentinGeorge 21:58, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Hm. I would think it'd be easier to read, and that the bullets separate facts that belong in separate paragraphs, anyway. But, I guess this isn't the place to discuss that guideline, anyway. :) --JMM 14:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Anyone notice this

 * They've updated his databank entry... :D QuentinGeorge 08:33, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, victory! ;) &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 16:09, 14 July 2007 (UTC)

You realize this is our fault, right?
So Lucas makes a joke to flatter a talk show host. Big deal. But we pick up on it immediately. We make a fuss over it. Then NBC's blog makes a fuss about our making a fuss. Then other people notice us and note NBC's blog's noticing of us. Then it's made official. If we hadn't picked this up and run with it the day GL said it, it may have been ignored, brushed off, officially demoted from G-canon to a G-joke, but we had to get people riled up about it.

Awesome. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 16:31, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, that sums it up perfectly. - JMAS 16:48, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * So? What's the problem? Can't there be a little fun in Star Wars? It started as a joke, and became official. It's not that bad a name, anyway. I didn't realize LFL listened to fans that close, to be honest. --JMM 17:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)