Talk:Lightsaber crystal

Dark Yellow
If you accept "Light Yellow", what's wrong with "Dark Yellow"? Cutch 19:14, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Because Dark Yellow is generally called Orange? - TopAce 19:22, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No, Orange is Yellow with more Red than usual, or Orange is Red with more Yellow than usual. "Dark Yellow" is dark yellow, an amber-ish kind of color. My point: if you delete "Dark Yellow" because it's Orange, then you have to delete Dark Green because it's Blue. Cutch 23:52, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

BTS Kotor values
Is it worth/presentable that we add the BTS Kotor values to each crystal? I mean what properties they have, what bonuses they give? - TopAce 19:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

KotOR - Dantooine
Does a lightsaber crystal cave appear on KotOR?? Can someone please tell me in which part of Dantooine is?? Axel Shan

It's on KotOR II The Sith Lords. You have to go there to rescue a Jedi Master from some mercenaries (or to kill him if you choose dark side)--84.146.242.94 18:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

There's also one in KOTOR I. It's near the Sandral Estate. (Near the run-away droid if you activated that quest.) JethLordMaster 20:36, 20 August 2006 (UTC-8)

Red with Evil
Is it worth mentioning that since an early time in history, red lightsaber crystals have been generally associated with the Sith and Dark Jedi? BaronGrackle 08:48, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

No that's not right at all. Jedi like Adi Gallia have used red lighsabers. And look at Exar Kun or Darth Vader before he put the mask on. I think Sith just always preferred red Lightsabers 'cause they look evil and dangerous (just imagine Darth Sidious with a pink Lightsaber!)--84.146.242.94 18:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Adi Gallia's red saber is still contested, but even if it is canon it is an exception. Exar Kun is one of the few, certainly; his article suggests that perhaps he was around before red lightsabers were standard for Darksiders. And "Vader" had a lot of Jedi to kill right after becoming a Sith; he built a red saber as soon as he got the time to.

I just know that in all the movies, every single Dark Jedi/Sith depicted (4 total) carries a red lightsaber. Also in the movies, the various Jedi have various different lightsaber colors, but not one of them is red. In much of the expanded universe, the bad guys have red sabers. In many of the video games, Jedi characters are not allowed to have red sabers until they take a dark initiative of their own. I yield that it does not seem to have been from an "early time in history" like I suggested earlier, and perhaps it is like you say, that the Sith just prefer red... who knows? I just think it's worth noting, at least on some level. BaronGrackle 12:21, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Actually, some Sith even used yellow. I believe Sev Ranc'Tann used one in the Galactic Battlegrounds game, unless that doesn't count. And in the Force Unleashed game, you can change it despite being Sith. All in all, they do appear to prefer red... --ShadowPhantom 00:16, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

According to the Star Wars Roleplaying game, the reason that Sith so frequently use Red lightsabers is because Synth Crystals are most commonly manufactured in the color Red and thus, they are easier to obtain. They state that Synth Crystals are capable of make a more intensly focus blade, able to cut through material with greater ease, than natural crystals. However, they are less stable than the naturally occuring crystals, often shorting out, which is the reason Jedi don't usually use Synth Crystals.

Added some new images
I added some new colour crystal images to the bottom of the page from star wars galaxies. BennyR 20:14, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Hurrikaine Crystal
Well if they aren't available through normal gameplay, how do you get them? Hacking/modding? JethLordMaster 20:38, 20 August 2006 (UTC-8)

If you do that cheat that involves hacking the system file, i.e. editing "EnableCheats=1" (is that right?), and then it's the cheat: "giveitem u_l_crys_x23" --Darth Timor 16:45, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Red with evil again
this may sound stupid but didnt darth bane have a purple lightsaber --unsigned.

Not stupid at all. He did indeed have a purple straight handled lightsaber in some comics. In the books, they clearly described a curved handled red saber. This is a discrepancy that has not been resolved. IthinkIwannaLeia 20:18, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Darth Bane's curved handled red lightsaber was his personal one and it was implied that the lightsaber given to him as a gift from Kas'im at the Sith Academy on Korriban was infact the straight purple-colored one. This occured in Drew Karpyshyn's Darth Bane: Path of Destruction.

Crystal-less lightsabers?
''However not all lightsaber crystals were actually crystals at all. There were plenty of exceptions where a Jedi or Sith would use a different material or substance in place of a crystal, such as physical remains, shards of glass, and even special micro machinery. ''

Is there a source for this? -  Angel Blue  (Holonet) 20:27, 17 October 2006 (UTC)


 * It is known that Krayt Dragon pearls were used to make gemstones. Rainbow Gems (really an organic creature), some types of ore Ingots, and other types of pearls have been used in various sources to make lightsabers. Check the relevant Wook'pedia pages for the cites. Serendipitousus 05:49, 10 December 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm particularly interested in the "special micro machinery" entry but having skimmed through all the crystal entries I don't see any mention of this. --Glacialis 16:10, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Lowbacca's lightsaber was mode with part of a projector i asume thats what its talking about diobern 02:59, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Picture Gallery Organization
I have reorganized the list of pics in the gallery in a notepad file. I rearranged them from all together to actual crystal pics and characcters. Please comment of whether i should use it or not.

Also I think we need more pics of the other crystals from KotOR.

I went ahead and changed it. I think its much better now.--ShadowTrooper 02:08, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Gallery of Colors
Does this need to be here at all? We have the exact same gallery over on the lightsaber page. I agree to the gallery of crystals (even if it is rather uninteresting), but the color gallery is identical in two places. I think the gallery should be removed from here, and left on the lightsaber page. Any thoughts before I do this? Maclimes Zero''' (talk) 18:17, 4 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree, and take the pic of the crystals off the saber page--ShadowTrooper 00:34, 9 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree too. Since it's been more than six months and no one has objected, I will go ahead and remove the gallery from here.  The same gallery on the lightsaber page gets updated more frequently anyway.  Star Force 00:21, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Black Blade (my curiousity)
Is this really true? i always thought a black blade would be really cool but have as yet not found it. So if you wouldn't mind someone telling me where is this said? --Darth Timor 16:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Ohh, right, it means Crystal Colours, nevermind --Darth Timor 18:28, 19 July 2007 (UTC)

Exile's lightsaber?
Should the Jedi Exile really be listed as wielding a cyan lightsaber under "Known color crystals"? The colour of her lightsaber is still unconfirmed, isn't it? FilippiliF 12:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Game play vs. continuity
Most of the special powers of crystals is based off features of game play by various video and role-playing games, and is not based on the story lines of the games. Game play functions are not cannon (i.e. you wouldn't say that the sarlacc took twelve strokes of a light saber to kill because that is how it was in the super nintendo game, or that evo troopers were not able to be force grabbed because you couldn't do it in Unleashed), but the story lines are.

Now, there are a few instances of crystals having powers in actual story lines (i.e. Kaiburr, and Lambant) so it is probable that other crystals did infact have powers, but when you have a crystal in a game that "increases lightning damage" it is hard to argue that it was intended to be cannon outside of the game. I feel it is important to mention this.

I think it should be mentioned in a BTS section. I realize that this article has been the subject of clean up, so I am apprehensive to add that section. But I think I will. If people who have put more time in it disagree, there is always reversion. IthinkIwannaLeia 20:28, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

Black Crystal: canon, or easter egg?
Seeing the edit war going on in this article about the black crystal leads me to this question: Is the Black crystal something that is acually confrimed to be canon, or is it an easter egg/bonus, and therefore non-canon (easter eggs and bonuses aren't canon as far as i know). If it's an easter egg/bonus, then it shouldn't be in the article, exept maybe in the BTS section. So is this actually confirmed to be canon (for example, has Leland Chee said it's canon) or it is nothing more than a non-canon easter egg? 96.233.183.19 21:44, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not an easter egg, but the act of obtaining the crystal certainly isn't part of The Force Unleashed story. To be more specific, the crystal can be found in-game (how, I'm not sure) and used by the player at any time. This is in a similar manner to which players can find crystals in the KotOR series, said crystals being listed here as well. // ~mikah~  21:50, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't agree. It's definatly non-canon. It's rather hard to find in the game, and there is no details about it like the crystals in the KotOR series. It defies the very definition of light and energy, with black being an utter absense of the two. That being said, if a black lightsaber blade exists, then the very definition of a lightsaber, what it is and how it works, has to be redefined as well. If a lightsaber blade is neither light nor energy, then what exactly is it?
 * You take the term "lightsaber" far too literally; all the crystals do is define the color of the blade. As far as the absence of color goes, that would be white, which is found in the core of the emitted blade, though white blades still exist regardless. And lastly, in response to the out-of-universe comments, how hard it is to find and details about the crystal make no difference whatsoever. If it is indeed non-canon, or canon after all, it still needs a mention somewhere in this article as being a utilized crystal. // ~mikah~  01:42, 17 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Thank you, Mikah. I'm so sick of people taking thinks far too literally as well. And according Lee, the SW video games are 100% cannon (with respect to the canon ending). So since the black crystal in no way hinders the final outcome and the canon ending is still there, it is overwhelmingly obvious that this lightsaber crystal exists. Get over it people!! 24.111.197.133 18:21, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

The black crystal is an easter egg/non-canon item that you find in collectible holocrons that are used as secondary objectives in the game. This is just like all the DLC constumes that are obviously not canon to the game. It is meerly something extra to add to the re-playability of the game and hardly allowed to be considered canon. It was never a part of the actual story of the game to go around collecting holocrons. All the ones that where relavant to the game's story like the blue crystal where laid out in front of you to collect. In fact you can't avoid collecting that crystal because it is a part of the story as mentioned in the novelization of the game.


 * Do you have proof that this is an easter egg/non-canon? If not, then you are just stating your opinion, nothing more. Therefore, it is 100% canon until a statement from SW comes out saying otherwise. 24.111.197.133 23:02, 19 January 2009 (UTC)


 * there is the part that you only see the red and blue lightsabers during cut scenes no matter what other color you where using durring the mission.Darthwin 15:45, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

Color Crystals
Aren't "color crystals" separate from the "named crystals" merely a game mechanic? In the expanded universe literature, if I'm not mistaken, the various crystals listed such as "Adegan" or "Kaiburr" are also responsible for the lightsaber's color. There's no separate "color" crystal that has no name other than its color, i.e. there is no "green crystal", there is a "green Adegan crystal". The section "Known color crystals" suggests there's particular crystals specifically devoted toward color, but that seems to just be a game mechanic in the KOTOR games, Force Unleashed and SWG(?). Perhaps the section should be retitled "Known colors", or something along those lines? Correct me if I'm wrong about this, I'm just going off my knowledge. Barringer  07:16, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Compressed/Unstable Crystals
In The Force Unleashed you can pick up and equip three different types of colour crystal: regular, compressed and unstable. I was just wondering, do the other two actually provide any practical benefit in-game or do they just give Galen something pretty to look at when he gets bored? 92.2.114.201 22:03, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Nope, just change the appearance of the blade. Barringer [[Image:Sith_Quad-Sun.svg|20px]] 22:39, 10 March 2009 (UTC)