User talk:QuentinGeorge/Archive1

Welcome
QuentinGeorge,

I know I've already run into you on Talk:Monstross, but I just noticed that you hadn't been welcomed yet. -- Aidje 15:35, 27 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Tonight
I guess you and I are the only beings on Earth not watching the movie at midnight, eh? -- Riffsyphon1024 05:56, 19 May 2005 (UTC) QuentinGeorge 05:57, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
 * My friend, I'm from Australia - its 4:00 pm Thursday... :) (but I won't see ROTS till Sat, I'm afraid)
 * LOL. My mistake. I forgot this was an international effort. I will also go Saturday, to the surprise of nearly 5000 members in another Star Wars group. -- Riffsyphon1024
 * I wish I could have gone on Thurs morn, but unfortunately, full-time job and hatred of crowds said otherwise... :) QuentinGeorge 06:01, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Then I was the only person on Earth with the chance to go and I didn't. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:20, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I know someone who could have gone at midnight, but is waiting a week or two instead. I don't know what his problem is&mdash;he is a fan, and was even asking me for spoilers on Sunday. So there are two of you freaks. :-) – Aidje talk 20:25, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Lovely work on Darsha Assant and Anoon Bondara pictures!
Greatly appreciated! --Imperialles 22:52, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks. QuentinGeorge 22:57, 20 May 2005 (UTC)

Kavar

 * Who is Kavar and where did you get his info.?

Xenomaniac 19:45, 24 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Why, it's one of the Jedi masters from Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords! --Imperialles 20:39, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

QuentinGeorge!!!!
How am I ruining them? I'm fixing them! Sith are succeeded only by masters.
 * In Darth Bane's order, both apprentice and master hold the title of Dark Lord of the Sith. Therefore, both of them hold the title SIMULTANEOUSLY. How I had them before was correct. Also, stop changing Zannah to Darth Andonna or any other nonsense. Her Darth name has not be revealed yet. 21:19, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Reasoning!
You see, Sith Apprentices cannot be precceded, only Sith Masters. Either this, or Sith Apprentices should be preceeded by Sith Apprentices. Should I make a "Line of Sith" page, to help you understand, or do you get it? KFan II 21:31, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Stop...snorting...Ritalin. That is all--Eion 21:33, 24 May 2005 (UTC)
 * You are the one who has incomplete understanding. The title of Dark Lord of the Sith is a unique title only up until the time of Kaan. In Bane's order, both apprentice and master hold it simultaneously. Therefore, Maul, Tyranus and Vader all hold the title while their master Sidious holds it at the same time. QuentinGeorge 21:33, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

Dear QuentinGeorge...
I know myself that you are not an admin of this wiki. SO STOP TRYING TO BOSS ME AROUND! Also, you have not responded to my reasoning. So please, mind your own business! The conversation/debate/arguement/pointless discussion on my talk page was between my and Fade. I know it doesn't say on Wookieepedia you can't inerrupt conversations, but its rude anyways. Cheerios. KFan II 20:41, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not an admin, but I have an interest in making sure pages are correct. I don't need to respond to your reasoning, as this place is not a place to put your own fanon. It is for canon facts only. QuentinGeorge 21:02, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Quentin was stating the accepted rules. Also, it's not rude to add your thoughts on a topic that affects the whole population of the wiki. It is therefore his business, too. Now, going around pestering every user who has an offered an opinion on the subject and forcing your opinion on others is considered rude. Consider that, and you might become a slightly less frustrating person to deal with. --Fade 21:06, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Not Sith?
I was just looking at my Hethrir and Gethzerion pages and you have said that they are not Sith. Aren't the Nightsisters Sith Witches?, and as Hethrir was trained by Darth Vader he may have learned certain Sith secrets. --Darth Mantus 17:24, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Not all Dark Side users are Sith... --Imperialles 17:30, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * As Imperialles says, not all Dark Siders are Sith, just as not all force-users are Jedi. QuentinGeorge 05:56, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Pretty much the only Sith in the OT era are Vader and Sidious. Out of the rest, Jerec is probably the closest, since he was taught Sith secrets, and wears Sith tatoos, however he is not a true member of the order. QuentinGeorge 05:57, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

QuentinGeorge!
Why do you keep reverting my edits on the Sith Lords? If says so in the entry Dark Lord of the Sith that the title of Dark Lord of the Sith is taken by the master!
 * Did you actually read the article? The tradition of a sole Dark Lord of the Sith ends with Kaan. In the Brotherhood of Darkness there are multiple Dark Lords. In Darth Bane's order both Master and Apprentice have the title Dark Lord of the Sith. Do you understand now? QuentinGeorge 01:11, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Additionally - Bastila was pre-Kaan, and never a Master. Therefore, not a Dark Lord. Darth Maul/Darth Tyranus/Darth Vader were all post Bane, and so were Dark Lords. And finally Zannah and Darth Andeddu are TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE. QuentinGeorge 01:13, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Note that 68.75.170.137 is also KFanII, so whenever you see it, you know. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:29, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Comic covers
Hey Q, you might want to check out this site. It has scans of all Star Wars comics, with much better quality than for example the Dark Horse site (and, no pesky little logo in the corner either). Use those if their size does not exceed 160 kb. --Imperialles 08:06, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, Thanks! I was wondering what to do about that watermark. I'll replaced the one I just uploaded... QuentinGeorge 08:07, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, they don't have that particular issue, as it is quite new. Still a useful resource for most issues. --Imperialles 08:08, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

quick question, I'm sorry if I'm doing this wrong
Sorry, I am still new to Wiki. Is this the correct way to communicate with other members? If not, please tell me, I will feel really bad, if I am doing things the wrong way. Any way, quick question, did Darth Zannah die during her confrontation with her cousin on Ruuzhan (misspelled, sorry)? Feel free to contact me through my regular email: Thank you. Please delete my email address from your page after you read this please. And thank you again. -- Plagueis the Wise
 * Hey Plagueis! Yeah, talk pages are the place to contact individual members. The only thing you did wrong was not signing your post, which can be confusing. I took the liberty to do it for you. You can sign your name by typing in four tildes: ~ or pressing the signature button, which is second-to-right on the toolbar above the edit box.


 * No, Zannah did not die that day. --Imp 05:44, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I only ask all of these questions, because my partner and I are currently writing some extensive fan fiction, however, we wish our references to be 100% in line with Star Wars canon. Starting with Bane, the storyline encompasses the 1000 years of peace that the Old Republic enjoyed, and the (Rule of) Two Siths who hid in the shadows during this time leading up to Palpatine. I would love to have any number of Wookipedia members, including yourself, read the rough drafts to check for accuracy. Please let me know if you or anyone you know is interested. And thank you all for your assistance with my fact checking. Plagueis the Wise
 * All we know is that they fought, and "with deadly consequences". But its more likely that Darovit died. 59.167.63.94 06:07, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * That was me, PS. QuentinGeorge 06:19, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * And I deleted your email. Just communicate through the talk pages, mate. QuentinGeorge 06:26, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I am still terribly sorry, but I have absolutely no clue, nor can I find any information, on how to use "talk pages". Where does it explain how to use talk pages or how to communicate with one another?  I have no "talk" tabs anywhere, or any other tab or link that would indicate how to do this.  Again, I am terribly sorry for the inconvience that I am causing and my ignorance.  Thank you for all your assistance.  I will also return to this page to delete all of my stupid questions, once I figure this whole situation out. Plagueis the Wise 04:20, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Calm down Plagueis. It is understood that you may not understand talk pages, but they are quite simple. All one has to do is go a person's talk page by hitting the tab at the top of the page next to the one that says user page (the page where a user puts there own stuff). The talk page is the primary means of communication and no email is needed to do so. You will learn with more experience. If you need help on other facets of Wiki-technology, visit Wikipedia which has many more pages detailing the software. -- Riffsyphon1024 04:28, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Back to Zannah, so as far as canon history goes: Zannah is the only known apprentice of Bane? Is it ever clearly stated what happens to either of them? Is it for sure stated that she survived the battle against Darovit? And where did Bane end up?  Also, there are no other known Sith between Bane/Zannah and Plagueis/Sidious, correct?  Well, I actually I now see there is a Darth Milennial; do we know anything more about him?  Where in the timeline does he come in? Who was his master? Who came after him?

Ailyn Vel's birth date?
Hi QuentinGeorge. I've been working a little on the Ailyn Vel article, and I noticed you have marked her year of birth as 10 BBY. May I ask what was your source or how did you figure this out? I can't find this info anywhere. If there's any other sources of Ailyn Vel information anywhere, I would like to know about them :-) Cheers! --Azizlight 08:47, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I was trying to remember myself. I think it was the Timeline Gold, which probably was mere speculation. Feel free to remove (and remember to remove it from the 10 BBY page as well.) :) QuentinGeorge 08:54, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * As a side note, her birth definately occurs in the nineteen years between ROTS and ANH, and since Boba is 13 in ROTS, it's got to be at least 16 BBY, but most likely later. QuentinGeorge 08:55, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the info. Yeah I better remove it as its just a guess really. I'll add this above info to her discussion page. Thanks. --Azizlight 09:07, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Author Images
Your uploading of all of these images for authors like Zahn, Hidalgo, and Pena is much appreciated. -- Riffsyphon1024 12:03, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * No probs. I thought the author pages were a little dry. QuentinGeorge 12:13, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed. This entire process was much needed, and I hoped that we pulled out ahead of Wikipedia, before some sub-par articles on them were made there. Of course there's something about seeing people's faces that makes me happy. -- Riffsyphon1024 13:08, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Those reverts on Lumiya
You did what I was trying to do. I tried to revert everything that the anon had done, but then I realized that his IP had changed part way through, so I tried hitting the revert button again. This only reverted my previous revert. I had actually gone back in the history and was about to revert it properly when I got pulled away from my computer unexpectedly. When I got back, you had completed the task. Thanks, and I hope that clears up the confusion. – Aidje talk 06:46, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I see you took care of Darth Vader and Palpatine as well while I was gone&mdash;those were my next targets. :-) Definitely an anon to watch&mdash;although I don't know how hard it would be to block him since his IP keeps changing. – Aidje talk 06:50, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * His main agenda seems to be removing Palpy's birthdate, taking Lumiya out of the Sith succession box and other random thingys. QuentinGeorge 06:51, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * That does make him pretty identifiable. – Aidje talk 07:16, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * So, to be clear, we do know Palpatine's birthdate, and we are putting Lumiya in the succession boxes on the Vader and Palpatine pages. Right?-LtNOWIS 22:59, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * We do know Palpy's birthdate. As for the succession boxes, I think SparqMan is pushing for those to be eliminated or replaced with something less controversial and confusing (at least for the Sith)&mdash;I don't know what the status is on that at the moment. For now, I'd say leave her in the box unless something different is agreed on through discussion. – Aidje talk 05:38, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

The marriage of Boba Fett and Sintas Vel
Hey :-) Sorry to be a pain about this, but here goes...

I'm still trying to find out how you figure that Boba Fett married Sintas Vel while he was Journeyman Protector of Concord Dawn - and thus Ailyn Vel's birth on Concord Dawn. This seems like the most likely scenario, and I would like to believe it, but does it come from an official source?

Sorry about this, feel free to mess up my talk-page at any time :-) --Azizlight 04:30, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe this came from Abel G Pena himself. He confirmed that they were married, and that the only logical time for this to occur was Boba's "retirement" on Concord Dawn. (Where he was mistaken for Jaster Mereel. QuentinGeorge 06:32, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I should perhaps clarify that this is not really "explictly" stated in any book, particularly since we hear very little of what Boba Fett was up to between his cameo in Last of the Jedi and when he reappears as "Jaster Mereel" on Concord Dawn. They were married, though, that much is stated in The History of the Mandalorians. QuentinGeorge 06:44, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah I know their marriage is official, but I was commenting on where they met, got married, had Ailyn. Your reasoning is flawless, but unfortunately its still unofficial speculation which can't really go on the main articles. :-( --Azizlight 14:07, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Picture
Unfortunately, that picture with the Ebon Hawk is from the First Battle (of which too little is known to make a separate article) not the Second. Inserted it into Onderon Civil War. I'll try to find a picture of something recognizable from the Second Battle. - Sikon 04:50, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Cool. Do we have an article on the First Battle then? Put it in there. QuentinGeorge 04:55, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Reading the article....are we sure they are two separate battles? Seems more like one continuous, albeit slightly interrupted, battle. From the perspective of the Queen it is. QuentinGeorge 04:57, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, they are two separate battles. Technically, the first battle ends before you enter the Mandalorian camp on Dxun for the first time, and the second begins when you visit all the other planets and are ready for a second trip to Dxun/Onderon. Sorry if the article leaves the question vague. - Sikon 05:05, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? Sounds like the fighting continues on Onderon while the Exile jaunts around for a bit. QuentinGeorge 05:06, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I suppose if anyone can be bothered enough to play KOTOR II again we'll find out. MarcK 05:10, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

To clarify, this is how it goes from the player's perspective:
 * You select Onderon on the Ebon Hawk's galaxy map.
 * The ship arrives in the system, but Tobin's fighters fire at it. Soon, a space battle begins. Meanwhile, the Ebon Hawk lands on Dxun.
 * When you are exploring Dxun, Atton (busy repairing the ship) calls you and says the battle is over and the Republic fleet is vanquished.
 * When later you, with the Mandalorians' help, arrive on Onderon, Iziz seems quiet, the soldiers and turrets ignore you, etc. Your main objective is to contact Kavar.
 * When you finally contact Kavar, Tobin interrupts your meeting. The quarter is instantly flooded with hostile Vaklu soldiers in black masks, while in the next quarter the soldiers don't even understand what's going on when the turrets start firing at you. Mandalore (Canderous) tells you to leave Iziz until the situation changes.
 * You then continue your search for the Jedi Masters. After that the Mandalorians tell you to return to Dxun, and after your arrival they inform you about Vaklu's Sith reinforcements and the assault on the Royal Palace.

So, technically, the two battles are separated by the Exile's adventures on Onderon and (possibly) some other planets, if Onderon isn't your last planet. - Sikon 05:24, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Korunnai
Korunnai are NOT baseline humans. They are near-humans. Consult the WOTC article on Haruun Kal. They are called a subspecies of humans with an ability to survive exposure to toxic gases and all Force-sensitve, making them as near-human as Kiffar and Hapans.- JustinGann
 * Nope. Read the SW databank. Baseline humans. The WOTC article is incorrect - it actually even goes against several of the WOTC sourcebooks, the NEGTC, and countless other articles. Mace Windu and every other Korunnai is simply a force-sensitive human. QuentinGeorge 13:19, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Palpatine's age
Just wondering - where did you get the updated birthdate for Palpatine from? People with the Episode I Visual Dictionary are claiming they can't find it. Thanks. &mdash; Silly Dan 03:34, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * It's not the VD, it's the Episode I Insiders Guide. QuentinGeorge 05:57, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Which I also don't have. Don't suppose you can provide the quote?  (It's not really important - I'd just like to see the text so we can prevent another round of silliness on the talk page.) 8)  &mdash; Silly Dan  11:34, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Abel as Halagad
Haha, I noted on the Halagad Ventor page that Joe Corroney's illustration was based on Abel G. Pena, not realising you had already done it :-) *Azizlight slaps Azizlight and reverts the article back to how it was. It's cool that Corroney did that :-) --Azizlight 08:56, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Purge.
Quentin, at least I'm coming up with a good solution to all of this. And yet, you continue to remove everything I add saying, "This is ridiculous". At least I was able to come up with a creative solution to this mess that you started because you didn't like the fact that Obi-Wan Kenobi was killed during the Great Jedi Purge. I don't see you doing anything else than removing his name to help this matter you caused. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:18, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * What? I didn't cause the mess. The fact is that Obi-Wan, throughout both the movie and EU canon, is always described as having survived the Purge. For that matter, so is Echuu Shen-Jon - and he died in 1 BBY. What I stated as "ridiculous" was plonking Obi-Wan in another section altogether. I'm of the mind that the (somewhat arbritary) date we've chosen for the end of the Purge is incorrect, but I'm going to go through the sources more before I make any changes. Suffice to say, in 1 BBY, Darth Vader says to Echuu Shen-Jon, "How did you escape the Purge, Jedi...", implying it was already over by then. QuentinGeorge 06:32, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I apologize for my outburst on the matter. It's just that in my years of being a Star Wars fan, I might take things a little too seriously, as I always sort of believe that things should be one way when they aren't. Again, sorry. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:07, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * No probs. Sometimes things get a bit heated here. QuentinGeorge 01:22, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Karen Traviss page
Hi QuentinGeorge. I'm not sure if your redirect from User:KarenTraviss to Karen Traviss is a good idea. For one, she might want to put more personal stuff on her user page that might not really be suitable for her author page. It might also cause confusion in general. And we won't know which discussion page to use. Just my two creds :P Cheers --Azizlight 01:21, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I see your point. Reverted. QuentinGeorge 01:22, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * It seems XilentShadow and her talked about it at her LiveJournal and he recommended that. Not sure what she'll do here other than contribute to that particular article or set of articles. -- Riffsyphon1024 01:23, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * She'll become obsessed and addicted like the rest of us... you just wait :-) --Azizlight 01:43, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Congrats
Congratulations on your new adminship, Quentin. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:29, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC) ....'''POWER!!! UNLIMITED POWER!!!!'''
 * Ditto! (dang fast Riff!)  WhiteBoy 02:35, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Yay! Now, I promise I won't let this go to my head....
 * Ahem.... QuentinGeorge 02:56, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Yea.... lol. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:02, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Wow, how does something like that happen? -- Xilentshadow900 04:06, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * LOL! WhiteBoy 04:53, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry, Quentin, I think we're just the little dudes. WhiteBoy is the one who gets the coolest stuff. :-( But seriously, welcome aboard. :-) I know that you will "do what must be done"... in a good way. – Aidje talk 06:05, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Congratulations on the promotion. :-) jSarek 20:41, 26 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Congrats on your new adminship, and Wookieepedian of the Month too! It's been a good month huh :-) --Azizlight 03:24, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Everything is proceeding as planned. :) (Just kidding....but thanks.) QuentinGeorge 05:50, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Obi-Wan pics
Do you still need pics of him from epII? I can finally take stills from the DVDs. If I can be of any help, just lemme know. Shadowtrooper talk 02:48, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Nice Work
Hey Quentin, nice work with your fixups on the Timeline page. Thanks for answering my questions! --Culix 14:07, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)

TheForce.net
Well I'm glad 'someone' else likes theforce.net. Padme829 23:53, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)padme829

Victory on Coruscant
Not sure if your the person to ask but I need a copy of this article you may have deleted. I promise I wont repost it. Just wanted a copy of it for myself. thanks  razzy1319
 * No probs. QuentinGeorge 05:59, 20 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Victory on Coruscant
 * After the Battle of Coruscant and the legendary actions of the "Hero with No Fear", Anakin Skywalker, a mood of paranoia and low morale began to grip the vulnerable Republic Capital and its protectorate planets. To combat this negative outcome, the Department Of Homeworld Security suggested a celebratory event in light of the GAR's latest victory. The affair's planning and logistics responsibility was given to a famous local event liason.

Under the guise of a Troop Morale Parade and Concert, the highly anticipated event was to be broadcast from the deck of the Venator Attack Crusier "Victory" throughout the galaxy.

In light of the party's theme of "Those who give there lives", the Jedi Order was requested to provide any form of entertaining presentation that would represent "Jedi Culture". In a surprising and lighthearted move, several members of the Jedi Council volunteered to perform. In a fit of propagandist genius and luck, a member of the party liason, namely Wan Vilde Noldyan, recognized the Jedi's Poster Boy, Anakin Skywalker, to be proficient in singing(Apparent during the Ansionian conflict) before the war. And so insisted his performance with his compatriots. With this announcement, the Jedi Concert was made the main highlight of the event.

With the acrobatic skills of Jedi Grand Master Yoda on Drums, the aggressive yet multihanded dexterity of Jedi Master Mace Windu on Bass, The Soresu art guiding Jedi Master Obiwan Kenobi's use of the Power Guitar, and finally Jedi Knight Serra Keto and her former youngling clan using ancient Jedi flow techniques as backup dancers and singers.

In front of an audience of clonetroopers and the galaxy at large the festivities began. During the Jedi presentation Holonet Ratings went through the roof, unbeaten until the Union of Luke and Mara Skywalker. Due mostly to mixure of Jedi Wizardy and Clone Action viewed during the concert. Unbeknownst to the rest of the galaxy, the highly charged event was all real and that there was an attempted assassination attempt on Jedi Skywalker. The clone seen shooting at Anakin Skywalker was in fact identified as an concealed assassin droid. All of which was found to be the fault of the local liason's lax security deployment. Unwilling to let a joyous and morale boosting event be spoiled by such a treacherous act, Skywalker disabled the assassin with style and rhythm in accordance with his preformance, so as not to alarm the general public.

Chief Bast
Until an official EU text confirms what Leeland Chee made up, Bast must be assumed to have survived the destruction of the first Death Star. Let me tell you why. All entries in the Holocron are created based on EU works. Since no EU work says he died, he didn't die. But, since an EU work (the holiday special) did say he survived, and no other work contradicts this, then he survived. An error in the Holocron like this cannot be taken as canon, despite the position Leeland Chee is in. Adamwankenobi 00:09, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC) I'll quote what he said:
 * The name Bast is not mentioned at all during the scenes in the Holiday Special. The only reason to believe it *has* to be the same person is that it is played by the same actor. Do you see what I mean? Internal LFL policy states that the Imperial Officer seen in the Holiday Special ISN'T Chief Bast. Just like Rya Kirsch and Tannon Praji, the two men look similar, but aren't the same individual. QuentinGeorge 00:19, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * It can go either way, really. Since his name isn't mentioned, you can assume either. But, since the source shows someone looking so similar to Bast, and sice Leeland Chee's comments were only his that he made up, you must assume Bast survived. I see what you mean, but no EU souce has ever said otherwise. You can't just take one man's opinion, just becuase he is in charge of it. If it is in an EU work, many have voiced in about it, and given their say-so. Adamwankenobi 00:36, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)

"The Holocron entries linked to the Holiday Special cover all levels of continuity. Some of the cantina aliens created but were not seen in Ep IV that made it into the Holiday Special are considered G. For things that are non-G, if they are referenced by another source, they are C (this includes Life Day, the Panna system, and Art Carney's character). All else is S. Also, certain elements of specific entries tied to the Holiday Special are considered N (Chief Bast surviving the Death Star explosion)."

He's implying there that since no other source mentions it, it is N-Canon. Well, he never specifically says that the Bast surviving is not canon. If it is N-Canon, and nothing above it in the EU specifies whether he lived or died, then he lived, and thus it would move up to C-Canon. Case closed. Adamwankenobi 01:39, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC) Why don't you check the IMDB? They list the character as Chief Bast. Adamwankenobi 03:46, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Did you actually read what you just posted? Chief Bast surviving the Death Star explosion is N-Canon. That is, Non-Canon. Therefore, he didn't survive. QuentinGeorge 01:45, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * No, my point was that if it went to a lower level, and nothing above it contradicts it, then it has to rise up to C-level. I don't quite know what reason he has to have the opinion he does that Bast died, nor do I see the reason why he would want it that way. If the story went the way he wants it, then one would have to come up with an explanation as to why "that guy" with Vader looks so similar to Bast. However, the holiday special simply says he survived, which is easily understandable, since he was involved in analyzing the rebel attack on the Death Star in the first place. Do you remember occam's razor, the philosophical theory? It states that: "The simplest explanation is usually the most correct." Adamwankenobi 01:59, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * You have just about the crappiest logic I've ever seen. N-Canon = non-canon, PERIOD. MarcK 02:01, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * So, I'm guessing he has an explanation why he has the opinion he does? I know what I'm going to have to do. I'm going to have to ask him why on the OS, on his messageboard. Adamwankenobi 02:10, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Images
Why not? Most people prefer the original versions. Esaborio 09:24, 24 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * This isn't a matter of what people "prefer" (which is highly subjective), merely what takes precedence in the canon hierarchy. QuentinGeorge 09:55, 24 Oct 2005 (UTC)