Talk:Ben Skywalker

Headline text
"A theory has developed among some Star Wars fans that Ben Skywalker's biological father may in fact be Luke's nephew Anakin Solo, who was training as an Apprentice with Luke and Mara at the time, and would have been sixteen at the time of his conception. This is based on a postmodernist interpretation of the novel Balance Point, rather than any clearly explicit indicators in the text: it can (as of this writing) be regarded only as a fan theory." Um. What? --SparqMan 05:28, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * That's one of Thrawn McEwok's crank theories from the TFN forums. (But then again, he once seriously proposed that Dooku = Jorus C'Baoth.) QuentinGeorge 06:02, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I object to the term "crank theory", QG. Never mind, though. It's all fun, games and postmodernism... McEwok 19:06, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I fail to see how a postmodern reading of Balance Point can produce that analysis. Care to link to your theory? Fan theory, regardless of its declared philosophical base, is just that: fanon. --SparqMan 21:42, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * There's no full version of the theory up yet, though this thread contains some of it. Basically, the hypothesis combines (1.) the explicit characterization of Mara and Anakin as trying to help each other through the crisis with: (2.) Campbellian concepts like the "Encounter with the Goddess" and the uncertain/mysterious parentage of heroes; (3.) apparent disjunctures between narrative POV and deeper reality (for instance in the scene where Mara detects Ben for the fist time); and (4.) the wider context that there are places in the NJO text when we seem to be expected to read against the text (for instance, the moral ambiguity injected in the Coda of The Unifying Force by the use of phrases like 'new order' and 'final solution' to describe what the Alliance victors are trying to achieve). --McEwok 20:07, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * yeah and luke and darth bane were friends forever pah lease i mean come on that a load of (insert any cuss word here) i mean thats not possible.....is it? kind o' creepyEwokmenace 15:09, 5 January 2008 (UTC)ewokmenace

Character template?
Do the later NJO books and the Dark Nest trilogy provide enough of a physical description of Ben to add a character template to his page? --Ace_ETP 23:14, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)


 * I suspect they do - from what I remember, he's reddish-blond, with grey eyes I think, and maybe freckles? --McEwok 00:24, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * yup pretty much baisically combine luke and mara who do u get huh? <**>Ewokmenace 15:10, 5 January 2008 (UTC)ewokmenace

Eye Color

 * I've been wondering, should we put Ben's eye color as grey or blue? Cause in NJO, his eyes are grey, but in the Dark Nest Trilogy they are blue! So which one should we put? Divinity 06:24, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Gray = Blue. Gray eyes are just a type of blue.QuentinGeorge 06:32, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess it's settled on blue then. Divinity 06:46, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * well look at the time periods i mean people's eyes do change color mine went from green to hazel to an almost brown in like two months( my personal opinion would be blue cause didn't anakin and luke have blue eyes)Ewokmenace 15:10, 5 January 2008 (UTC)ewokmenace

Homeworld

 * If I recall, he wasn't born on Coruscant, and since it was a wasteland for much of his early life it can hardly be his homeworld. Where was he born? Anyone know? QuentinGeorge 06:42, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, Anakin Solo wasn't born on Coruscant, and didn't live there for the begining of his life, yet it was still considered his homeworld. But perhaps we should consider Ossus his homeworld? -- SFH 14:48, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Found it. He was born on the Errant Venture. -- SFH 15:09, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I haven't even read Dark Nest and I was also surprised to see his homeworld listed as Coruscant instead of Ossuss. But I guess it's up to the readers to reach a consensus...what should the box read as his homeworld? --Ace_ETP 22:13, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * isn't Errant Venture a ship (i have no idea) well idon't consider the place u were born your "home" any thing i think it's where you spent most of your life. trust me in eight years i moved 8 or 9 times i have no idea what to call my home town!!Ewokmenace 15:11, 5 January 2008 (UTC)ewokmenace

yes errant venture is a ship owned by booster terrik. what the hell was mara thinking being on a ship 9 months pregnant

Image
We REALLY need to replace that main image. Isn't Ben 13 or nearing 13 by now? anyone have a more grown picture of him? Rod I did the calculations in The Joiner King he is 7 in Betrayal he's 13 and by the time of i think Tempest he is 14<**> Ewokmenace 15:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)ewokmenace
 * We could use the one from his appearance in The Lost Lightsaber, except that's not a canon story...&mdash; Silly Dan 02:51, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I say use the Lost Lightsaber pic Eyrezer 08:05, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well...I've tested it. It looks good, and does show him around Legacy age. I'm still concerned about it's canonicity though... QuentinGeorge 08:19, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd be up for changing his hair color to red if no one has a problem with it. The precedent's already been set with Rokur Gepta's robes. CooperTFN 08:35, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I like that idea. Go ahead and make a test run, and show it here first. QuentinGeorge 08:37, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The picture certainly looks good in the infobox, canonical or not. I'm not big on changing the hair color however, it has been said to have a red-gold hue (in some book I can't remember right now). I guess The Dark Nest trilogy overrides that though, since Ben was explicitly mentioned to have red hair. But maybe the light is playing a trick on his hair in the picture and it looks fairer than it would normally :) --Tinwe 14:56, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * How's this look? I was gonna check before replacing it, but it seemed dumb to create a whole new file when the old one could always be restored if need be. CooperTFN 05:07, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think that it was in The Unseen Queen that mentioned he had reddish gold hair. Also, it may just tan out when he gets older. i have a friend with red hair, yet you could swear he was blonde. -- SFH 05:24, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Either way, the image in the intro box is UH-GLY! -

ok for any of you who have been wondering, ben is 15 by thr time invinceable ends. i know it may not seem like it but there is a series of months and a year does past

Legacy of the Force
So what happens to Ben after Jacen left him on the asteroid ?
 * We don't know yet, as that's all that has been published so far. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 01:25, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

The fourth paragraph is way too lengthy, even for a wikia. (If I have time &mdash; after finals perhaps &mdash; I'll tighten up the wording, but a collaborative effort would be better :)). We could cut down the summary of Betrayal over by half, considering that there are eight more books that'll be out.  The New Jedi Order series was more than nine books, and yet, we managed to keep it of reasonable length for Jacen Solo's article (considering the amount of books and his prominent role). &mdash;Mir  len  21:38, 7 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Do you think that Ben aned Jacen have a Obi-Wan/Anakin relationship or a Qui-Gon/Obi-Wan relationship? JainaSolo32 00:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * personally i think Quigon/Obi-wan cause Ben is too obidient for it to be like anakin and Obi-wan plus i doubt Ben sees Jacen as a father when he already has one and jacen is his cousin.The Ten 02:59, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * is this in fury?<**>Ewokmenace 15:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)ewokmenace
 * hey ben skywalker's hair really looks better red is he evil now or is he older  stardaddy 5:42 15 july 2008 (UTC)

Quotes
Aren't there any quotes from NJO, Dark Nest, or Legacy of the Force books that describe him? <**>Ewokmenace 15:13, 5 January 2008 (UTC)ewokmenace
 * Agreed. We need quotes to show what kind of a person Ben is &mdash; his character, his talents, his reputation, etc. Although, to be fair, there isn't a whole lot of the good quotes for Ben from NJO. &mdash;Mir  len  14:18, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe in the Dark Nest Trilogy or in Betrayal, because his role in these books has expanded &mdash; User:JainaSolo32
 * The quotes look good, but I didn't see any that were actually said by Ben himself...--70.171.192.249 03:57, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * i know what about in Inferno when he's trapped in the Embrace i liked that part jacen finally learns a little respect

Incorrect/unclear statement?
As I understand it this sentence is incorrect: "While Jacen fell further to the dark side, Ben was shocked as Jacen tortured and killed the bounty hunter Ailyn Habuur while searching for a bounty." Unless I'm missing something to me this sentence basically says that Jacen was on a bounty hunt and tortured and killed Ailyn Habuur, which is incorrect. I think this is simply a case of poor sentence structure but I believe it should be changed to "While Jacen fell further to the dark side, Ben was shocked as Jacen tortured and killed the bounty hunter Ailyn Habuur during an interrogation." If no one objects I'll go ahead and change it. -Jadden Sinn agreed, i was gonna change it but go right ahead thanks for picking it up=wookieman3
 * Well done & please do<**>Ewokmenace 15:14, 5 January 2008 (UTC)ewokmenace

Kol's grandfather
YES!! I knew he was Cade's great grandfather! So who do you think his wife will be? I think it's going to be Corrans dauter
 * "Dauter"? The spelling gods shall smite you soon... Cutch 06:11, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Doesn't the family tree only say roughly two generations later? Anyway, I say that he won't get married and have kids and instead he'll get himself cloned just like Jango did. Heck, we can have TWO generations of clones ^^ Lalala la 03:58, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

OOPS! I did spell it wrong my mistake.

Now we do know that he is Kol grandfather because Kol Skywalker carries the Skywalker name and it is for certain that Ben does not and will not have any siblings because Mara died. Darth Matas 22:02, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * How does that work? Only until Luke Skywalker has no more children, is Ben the last Skywalker.  Just because Mara is dead doesn't mean that there's no more Luke babies.  Even a Jedi Grand Master needs some loving.

Well, Skywalker II could have also had some illegitamate children- look at all the girlfriends he had, and at least one of them, it is explicitly stated they slept together. Ben might not have any SIBLINGS... but maybe some HALF siblings? -
 * Man.... looking at all the Skywalker's... talk about one dumb sorry ass family.
 * agreed, but is it an offspring of Ben or am i totally missing the point and i dont think luke will get married again i mean hes too absorbed in greif over Mara<**>makes meesa thinksa?Ewokmenace 15:14, 5 January 2008 (UTC)ewokmenace

I was just over on Mara's page and there is a picture down in the legacy part with the caption "Mara Jade appears in a hallucination of her distant descendent Cade Skywalker." Now I don't know if that's canon, but that appears to clear up the issue to me. She had one child with Luke. Now unless she had another child before she met Luke, and he had another child that we don't know about that took the name Skywalker, or he's going to have another child, and then her other child would probably have to have another child to make up a generation gap or somthing... It seems to be pretty high odds. But anything's possible I guess.Allana Solo 20:11, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

I don't think enough time passes for Kol and Nat to be Ben's grandsons. By 130 ABY Kol is the de facto leader of the Jedi Order and I think it's safe to say he didn't make "grand" Master in his 30's regardless of his last name (Jacen and Jaina were still knights in their 30's). And since the Skywalkers seem to inherit leadership that would mean Ben's son should logically still be alive and the head of the order. If Ben follows Luke's lead and starts having children in his late 40's then Nat would be born around 60 or 70 ABY and Kol sometime after around 65 to 75 ABY. So, Kol would have been about 55 when he died which, seems about right considering a rough guess of his age in Legacy #1 in light of average lifespan of humans in the SW galaxy. -Darth Res

training armor
The behind the scenes says his training armor looks like vondun crab armor...source please.
 * Tempest. When he spars with Luke. Lonnyd 21:35, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * ahh iremember that don't you hate when someone does that i also need to ask a question i don't remember exactly but Mara was opperating the anti-gravity and stuff did she aprove of ben and Luke fighting I think that there, if bonds are allowed, needs to be more family bonding so it's harder for people to turn to the dark side. Sort of ?:0 <**>Ewokmenace 15:16, 5 January 2008 (UTC)ewokmenace

Darth Krayt
Some believe he is Darth Krayt? Where's the basis for that? - 03:50, 8 February 2007 (UTC) In Legacy 7, Krayt says that he should have done away with the Skywalkers when he had the chance, which leads me to believe he is not Ben. Micah Giett 16:17, 8 February 2007 (UTC) but vader believed that his was no longer a skywalker, just vader Camar skywalker 17:03, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Just wild speculation probably. Removed. --Azizlight 03:57, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

I remember reading a lot of speculation that he was to become Darth Krayt. I personally thought it was a stupid idea because the main character of Star Wars: Legacy is Cade Skywalker - meaning that the Skywalker dynasty was still strong and not dead if Ben was the last one. 216.191.40.149 20:04, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Who changed his hair color?
ALL RIGHT.... WHO DID IT?!! It was better as red!
 * It's supposed to be blond because that's what colour it was in the comic the picture is from. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 12:20, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

But the description says red. Besidse it was discussed above and changed to look like him.
 * I still don't get people's problem with the image. I've known many red-haired people through the course of my life, and a lot of them start off being blond then their hair colour changes later in life. That could easily be what happened here. Either way, the red-haired Ben Skywalker is a fan-modified image and so we won't be using it. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 16:48, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually the pic was approved for use a while ago. Darth Byss 22:51, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Please change it back! his hair on the lotf cover isn't red Sorry to resurrect this seemingly endless discussion, but why is his hair 'pale red-gold'? I know his hair is described as 'pale red-gold' in Rebirth, but that's in Luke's vision of the future which is, as we know, always in motion. From The Joiner King onwards its described only as "red". And in Sacrifice it's even a plot point! I know that the pictures we have aren't great, but we only have two canon pictures and the one on the front cover of Fury isn't lit well enough to tell what his hair colour is. I guess that I figure numerous and repeated references to his hair being red over the most recent nine books - and EVERY book that makes any reference to his hair colour after infancy calling it red (or even flame-red or bright red) - should trump one picture of Ben at a distance at his mother's funeral and one vision of the future. Shouldn't it be changed back to red? Or at least red-gold? (Though since Betrayal, page 433, specifically contrasts Ben's hair with blond fake!Ben's - describing the two as not alike, I'm inclined to stick with actual red rather than anything closer to blond). And...I've probably made my case now, so I'll stop! :) becca 23:20, 17 November 2007 (UTC) can't you just leave the poor kid alone besides with his hair red it forces us all to remember maraEwokmenace 15:17, 5 January 2008 (UTC)ewokmenace
 * How are we supposed to do that? Where do we get an official SW image that has his hair a shade of red? -Fnlayson 02:59, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Odds are Ben will get a LOTF cover, so we will get a red-haired canon image then. QuentinGeorge 03:03, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh God. Don't people check consensus tracks anymore? It was decided that alterations to the color (besides brightness/contrast/saturations) were fanon and not to be used. Such is the way of Jolee Bindo as well. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png Talk 03:04, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * But isn't The Lost Lightsaber itself fanon? C3PO the Dragon Slayer 20:24, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No, it's non-canon from SW Tales. Check the apperances. -Fnlayson 00:18, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately that cover then contradicts the actual text of multiple books (including Betrayal) where it is always mentioned that he has red hair. I would think that would override the covers. The old altered images are more accurate to what the books say. Leoroc 22:24, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The lighting is not good enough in the Fury cover to make that statement. His hair could be a light red, i.e. reddish blond.  This has been discussed above already, so I'll stop there.. -Fnlayson 18:19, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone's tried to compromise I guess. :) Feel free to change it to red, as long as you source it (which it seems you will have no problem doing). QuentinGeorge 23:38, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've done so and sourced it to Betrayal since I'm new at this and there was already code for Betrayal in the article and I figure it doesn't matter which of the 9 books I source it too?  Please let me know if I've made a wiki faux-pass...  becca 23:54, 17 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay - someones changed it back to pale red-gold. I'd like to re-amend it as I think that's inaccurate but I don't want to start a turf war and I'm uncertain of the etiquette here.  I think I've done a good job in laying out - above - why red fits better than 'pale red-gold'.  Is there a way we can vote on this?  Would the person who changed it care to discuss the matter with me?  There's even further evidence against the canonicity of the new Ben at Mara's funeral picture as the artist admits here that he sourced his hair-colouring from this page when he saw the non-canon lost-lightsaber pictures.  The link is here: http://boards.theforce.net/literature/b10003/26315648/p16   So...if no one posts here to contest the issue, I'm assuming it's okay if I change it back?  88.108.179.247 00:24, 24 November 2007 (UTC)
 * in the pic at the top of the page it shows ben right is it just the bad lighting or did they change his haircolor there too
 * Ben's hair isn't red in the Fury picture because he dyes it brown in Sacrifice, so that he is less recognisable when he goes to assassinate Dur Gejjen, as someone mentions above. Therefore, all this specualtion and arguement over it was pointless, as there is a canon reason for it --Tom rules 13:03, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I'm currently finishing Sacrifice, and realize that same thing after reading that he dyed his hair.. So, we now know. His hair color is red, but is dirty-blonde-ish for a while after he dyed it. It probably went back to it's natural red color by the time of Millennium Falcon. And if it didn't, then whatever. --The Wolfe22 00:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * He dyed hid hair brown for the assassination mission. and it was stated that the dye would wash out of his hair so it was probably red by the end of the book. jedi_master125

Wait... what?
In the middle of the part of the article goes a quote "Hi Mom, Dad. For my fourteenth birthday I killed a little girl." In the middle of that part of the article. Umm... what? The article goes on to explain the quote. The position of this quote it confusing, and should be moved down a little bit.-- A concerned Guest.
 * Well that'd require splitting the following paragraph. I clarified on the 2nd line of the quote, that it was a potential reply.  Ben is speaking to himself there. -Fnlayson 01:18, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * wow u r toattally missing it he is saying that to himself because he is feeling guilty for leaving the girl then he takes that r2 unit back and helps the girl burry her father right<**>Ewokmenace 15:19, 5 January 2008 (UTC)ewokmenace

He is Krayt!
I just read ben had yuuhzan vong armour like krayt. he has to be him!


 * That does not mean a thing!


 * Nope. Krayt is A'sharad Hett. --Ashron Ket 22:57, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Wait... I'm Confused
Aren't Jedi NOT ALLOWED to have kids??? Or did Luke delete the general rule because of his dad?
 * The no attachment rule was an old Jedi Order thing not the New Jedi Order. This is nothing new.. -Fnlayson 13:24, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * luke abandoned this for some reason i still think it is better not to have attachments. lokk at all th masters they've all got married and have kids except mebey master Seba<**> i would like to meet her:)
 * Saba isnt married but she does have a son - Tesar Sebatyne Jaina Leia Mara 15:32, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
 * inever knew that Ewokmenace 15:20, 5 January 2008 (UTC)ewokmenace

Picture

 * Woohoo! Ben will be on the cover of Fury so we'll finally get a real picture! QuentinGeorge 03:55, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The new picture of Ben is awesome, that is, if they don't decide to change the cover. It's certainly better than the non-canon blond version of Ben. I just hope that they have a cover with Jaina Solo on it.--Jedi Kasra 03:37, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Allow me to add to the collective "WOOHOOS!" I quite LIKE this depiction! Which is surprising considering that it's a LotF cover and not Japanese :) He looks... well, not at all redheaded, but I'll let it slide. (Ulicus 10:14, 2 June 2007 (UTC))
 * It's just the lighting in the picture, that's the reason he doesn't look like a redhead.--Jedi Kasra 11:27, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll add to the woohoos as well. I like that it looks like both Anakin and Luke. And not some '80s child model like all the other kids looked.... Israi 15:06, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Woohoo from me too. I like the way they made him look, and we get a pic of Inferno. Telos 06:46, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hm.. What I don't get is that nobody has announced that the "Ben has red hair" description of Ben is non-canon, yet. We've already seen so many pics of him with blonde hair, it's just not making any sense! We're seen him at Mara's funeral, we've seen him on the cover of Fury, and we've seen him in comics. ALL WITH BLONDE HAIR. It's not "bad lighting", lol. Because that's a load of crap and everybody knows it. --Ashron Ket 23:02, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * There have been two canonical images of Ben, one blonde, the other clearly red. His description as red-haired is in no way "non-canon". - Lord Hydronium 23:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see the pic of Ben with red hair, if you don't mind. --Ashron Ket 23:15, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's in the infobox. - Lord Hydronium 23:19, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Wow. Do you seriously think that's red? Looks more like a blonde, or dirty blonde, to me. --The Wolfe22 23:24, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * OH NOES! I'm color=blind! =**( --The Wolfe22 23:26, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * his hair in the pic of mara's funeral was an error like jaina's lightsaber was blue in the pic of her and jacen in the same book, but it's acturally purple. as for the cover of fury its red its just shadowed. jed_master425]

Darth Possibly
If Ben does become Darth Caedus's Sith apprentice will he to be receiving a Darth name.-KickAssJedi 20:47, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * A lot of ifs there. I believe he'd have to become a Dark Lord, not apprentice to get a Sith name.  Don't think he'll be an apprentice though..  -Fnlayson 21:29, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Image choice
Sorry, Culator, it's nothing personal at all. I just totally disagree with you on the Fury picture, so I'm going to ask for community opinion. The picture DC uploaded is great. It's high res and was the first look we had at Ben, from the cover of the paperback version of Fury. However, now the cover of the Audio book is also available and from it, I was able to crop the image to completely show his hands and the emitter of his lightsaber. DC's objection to the image was that is was slightly smaller (No longer a valid objection), and the color was slightly different. It's not really different, just a little brighter/higher contrasted. Here are the two images for perusal:

Which one better displays the subject?

Paperback

 * Darth Culator (Talk) 01:35, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Per Culator's comments below. Lord Hydronium 01:47, 4 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Ozzel 06:43, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Grunny 10:40, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Per the reasoning below. Greyman ( Paratus ) 18:48, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Jaina Leia Mara 16:30, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Unit 8311 18:14, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) i don't know mabey im juust a nerd but i prefer the book books and i don't likr that pic on the Fury coverEwokmenace 15:22, 5 January 2008 (UTC)ewokmenace

Audio book

 * 1) JMAS 00:35, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

Discussion

 * The width of the actual file wasn't the issue, the content is actually ~10% smaller (Ben's head is 274 pixels from ear-to-ear in the audiobook version and 307 pixels in the paperback). Cropping it further to the right just makes it worse, since the face is even further off center that way. And just scaling it up doesn't improve the quality. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 01:35, 4 October 2007 (UTC)

lost lightsaber is not canon
the lost lightsaber is not canon. lukes lightsaber and hand were retrieved by vader after the duel on cloud city. for years, it was stored in the emperor's private stash on wayland until the thrawn crisis. it was given to mara jade at the end of the last command. mara used the lightsaber until she died. apparently this is not common knowledge.

My point is that it should be changed from this page from ambiguously canon to NOT CANON.GrandAdmiral 15:02, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Uh yea. What do you think the Star Wars ambiguous canon tags are for? -Fnlayson 00:19, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Per Fnlayson, it's clearly stated in the article. If you missed it, right before the part about the lost lightsaber there is this big sign that says "Warning: The following section is based on information which ONLY appears in a Star Wars Tales #1–#20 story that has not been referenced elsewhere; therefore, its level of canonicity is ambiguous." And also, you're opinion on what is canon and what is not, well, it's not really relevant. Greyman ( Paratus ) 17:15, 29 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The placement of Tales (like here) and other Ambiguous canon content is being voted on at Forum:Canon/noncanon Consensus track. -Fnlayson 18:08, 29 October 2007 (UTC)
 * i hope he wasn't storing that hand hhaha sorry well i knew that but doesn't Luke give Mara as like a wedding ring just no ring? i am soo confussed<**>? Ewokmenace 15:25, 5 January 2008 (UTC)ewokmenace


 * Perhaps, we can move it to the "behind the scenes" section?Jessimaster 18:01, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Has The Lost Lightsabre actually been declared non-canon or are we just fanonising due to perceived inconsistencies? --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 18:06, 19 June 2008 (UTC)


 * It can't be canon because in canon sources Luke gave Mara Anakin's lightsaber. Jessimaster 19:34, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * That doesn't make it non-canon. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 19:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, first off if it's been confirmed that Mara wields Anakin's lightsaber then it can't also be true that Ben tracked it down and now wields it.  True, no one has said it's non-canon, but it has been confirmed canon that Luke gave it to Mara.  So how can it possibly be canon? Jessimaster 19:54, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * It can be canon if LucasLicensing say it's canon. AFAIK, they haven't commented either way. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 20:05, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
 * What happens to the lightsaber after sacrifice?Meesa yoda 03:49, 25 June 2008 (UTC)

Cilghal Ben's Master?
Where, in Exile, does it say that Ben becomes Cilghal's apprentice? Unless I overlooked it while reading the book, as far as I recall it doesn't. If it does, and I did happen to overlook it, someone please tell me the page number and paragraph where it says so. If I'm correct and it does not, then Master Cilghal needs to be removed from the list.--Master Dakari 21:56, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

No, Cilghal wasn't Ben's master, she just taught him a few healing basic. Sometimes in the Exile novel, when Ben tries to ressurect Faskus on Ziost, it states that "He didn't know much about Force healing, but Master Cilghal and his father had taught him a few things, bare necessities."--Seth danny 18:43, 19 June 2008 (UTC) umm. sorry you dont need to agree on this but i personnely think that if cilghal taught him anything she should be one of bens masters. as long as it furthered bens knoledge of the force i think its considered a master. my opinion only ;)=wookieman3

Spoilers
Shouldn't this page have a "major spoilers" tag on it? I don't know how to do that.

height(LOFT invincible)
in LOFT invincible jaina observed that that when Ben hugged his father he was almost his height on page 201 just a fyi i didn't want to change it cause not sure if its against the rules or not.

Duel with Tahiri
Ben and Tahiri never dueled. Either someone cannot read or people are starting to post speculations here. Bent talked Tahiri down, Ben never even pulled a weapon on her. I will change it unless I am wrong. they did duel but it is stated they dueled briefely
 * They did, it's on page 276  Jaina Leia Mara Jedi Knight

Hair Color
If Ben is described as having red hair like Mara, then why does he have dirty-blonde hair like Luke in every picture?Rain Thalo 20:44, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Coloring mistakes. That he is a redhead has been emphasized several times in the Dark Nest Trilogy and Legacy of the Force, particularly Sacrifice.  Firebird  [[File:Moltresheadsig.PNG]] certifiably crazy 06:22, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, he did dye his hair that color during Sacrifice and after Mara's death. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 07:44, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Ben's hair is red in many if not all the books he has been featured in. when he dyed his hair he dyed it brown and it was for his assassination mission so no one would recongnize him. and the dye was washable that's when he dyed his hair

Outcast Image?
Hello, I was wondering if the back of Outcast was Ben. I know it's hard to tell but it could (just maybe) be added to the article? JediNTT307 01:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It is. The news item revealing the cover said so explicitly. Coop 11:27, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Girl he meets in Temple in LotF
I know talk pages aren't meant for discussion, but I have a gnawing question.. In one of the LotF books, Ben is training in the Temple with Luke I think, and he meets a girl. What was her name? --The Wolfe22 21:58, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Seha Dorvald is who you're looking for. Xicer9 atgar.svg( Rawr) 22:02, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * And for future reference, if you know talk pages aren't for discussion, don't use them for discussion. That's what the Knowledge Bank is for. - Lord Hydronium 22:03, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Whatever. --The Wolfe22 19:36, 19 April 2009 (UTC)

Zahn's Book Ideas
Do we really need Timothy Zahn's story ideas in the BTS section? It seems out of place and unnecessary. Novel ideas, even legitimate ones, don't have a place in these articles unless it's been officially announced by LFL. It is my strong desire to delete it altogether, but it looks like there's been some controversy over its removal/addition a few months back, so I submit here that it be deleted outright. Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith 13:50, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Q
Do we have a source that says Ben is Kol's dad? and who he fell in love with?--AnakinSol 15:54, 23 June 2009 (UTC)
 * We don't yet know who Ben will marry. And, while there is as yet no evidence either way, we don't know precisely how many generations separate Ben and Kol.  Certainly more than one, probably two or three.  Remember that Ben is 16ish in Outcast (43 ABY).  Cade was in his teens (maybe 15? we'll use 15 for a nice round number) in 130 ABY.  So, for this calculation, we'll say he was born in 115 ABY.  So Kol was probably 30ish when Cade was born, so he was born in 85 ABY.  If Ben was Kol's father, he would be 58 when Kol was born.  Possible, but unlikely.  Instead, it's more reasonable to assume that Ben has a child when he's 30ish (57 ABY) and that son gives birth to Kol 30ish years later (87 ABY, consistent with my calculations).  It's possible that there's a third generation in there, if everyone was in their twenties instead of thirties when giving birth, but it's unlikely.  Again, there is no source one way or the other yet, but the math indicates that it goes Anakin, Luke, Ben, (unnamed), Kol, Cade.  I hope my math holds out to scrunity :D Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith 19:35, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Image
Has anyone thought about putting the image of ben from backlash as the main pic in the info box?

No, the text would have to be cropped, and there's too much of it (the text) for the result to be more useful than the image from Fury, much as I hate the crewcut...  Firebird  heart's eye 08:18, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

New article section
Hasn't Ben earned the right to have his own powers and abilities section?
 * Yes. But never fear, I'm working on FAing this article so it won't be Powers and abilities section-less for long.  IFYLOFD  ( You will pay the price for your lack of vision! ) 02:11, 7 July 2009 (UTC)

Should we rewrite the part about Ben and Jacen it say in Omen that Ben forgave him--99.13.118.232 19:54, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Image
Oh well it was just a thought because i think that since he's older the fury image doesn't do him justice. and it would be nice for him to have one with actual red hair to end the argument over his hair color

New article section
Yes, finally someone agrees with me on the fact that he should have one. i cant wait until you get it up

Eye color
Alright in the info box, and in the dark nest trilogy, and the legacy of the force books its says Ben's eyes are blue like Luke's and Anakin's. So, why did the author of omen say they were green? did she not research well enough?
 * Dunno. I was confused as much as you are.  IFYLOFD  ( You will pay the price for your lack of vision! ) 01:10, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Huh, I missed that until you mentioned it... I suppose they are really blue.  ZEM  talk to me!   01:49, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I wish we could contact all three authors and ask them about this.
 * Most sources are in favor of a blue-eyed Ben, so we stick with that unless they consistently start to describe his eyes as being a different color.  Firebird  [[File:Moltresheadsig.PNG]] heart's eye 15:46, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

Change
I just got done with Omen and it say's that Ben Forgave Jacen so we should rewrite that part.--T-Rex1 20:07, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Lightsaber Skillls
I know Ben was severely lacking in lightsaber skills in Tempest, but he started training under Luke in Fury. And it's also been two years after the second galactic civil war, where he probably still trained under Luke so wouldn't his lightsaber skills be up to par for some one at his level now?jedi_master425

Image
I love the new image of Ben it's awesome. jedi_master425 july 28,2009 Totally agree! Much better than the cover of Fury. SWFan33 july 31, 2009