Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Kam Nale

Kam Nale

 * Nominated by: Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 17:06, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Couldn't find anything on whether or not Nale's alias, Elan Mak, should be written as Elan Mak or "Elan Mak". Rango Tel used the latter, so I just did that too.

Support

 * 1) Thefourdotelipsis (talk) 05:01, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

Object

 * "Kam Nale, also known under the alias Elan Mak, was a male Fluggrian who was a professional podracer pilot who flew an outdated Kurtob KRT 410-C around 32 BBY" - the repetition of "who" is a little wearing.
 * How does it sound now?
 * Still wasn't great, so I tidied it up a little more.
 * "Hired by Borzu's rival, the smuggler Orin Nyell, Kam was devastated" - this reads as though Nale was hired by Nyell.
 * Yah, it did. Tried to chnage it up a bit, hope it reads clearer.
 * You need to provide context on Borzu as a crime lord.
 * Alright, though the most known about him is that he was Nyell's rival.
 * I'm not entirely sure that the "Mak" pseudonym was to elude Tel, it was just to get close to Beedo... IIRC.
 * Yah, I think I read a source wrong. Best the sources say is that Nale used numerous aliases to avoid Tel, but used Elan Mak just for the podrace.
 * " Tel had also been hired by Orin Nyell, who had since become wary of Kam Nale's existence and believed that the Fluggrian would go to reclaim his father's empire and continue to work against Nyell's own operation." - Bit of a run-on.
 * Chopped it a bit now.
 * "Nale had no desire to own up to his inheritance" - Strange phrasing. Would not "claim his inheritance" suffice?
 * Guess I was trying to spice it up. Used your wording instead now.
 * "Beedo continued his race work" - Phrased oddly, race work doesn't sound right.
 * Yah, I guess it was bad wording. Changed it to "podracing career".
 * Should we have an article for this unnamed mercenary that nabs Beedo? And does he really arrest him or just apprehend him?
 * I don't think it's necessary for the merc to have an article, but it can be done. I'll redlink it for now.  It can be discussed later maybe.  HNN article states that Beedo was arrested, though I also found that terminology a bit odd.  For the sake f HNN I was just going to leave it as "arrested", unless it's strongly urged otherwise.
 * No, if the source says it that's fine.
 * You've sourced a statement about Rango Tel in the equipment section to the Republic comic, which is incorrect.
 * Whoops. Fixed.
 * BTS needs expansion - how did the Mak/Nale thing come to pass? What was the first source to establish it as an alias? Thefourdotelipsis (talk) 23:34, October 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Looking t the timeline, Episode I Racer was released in 1999 along with the source books. Podracing Tales was 2000, and the Databank entry first arrived in 2001.  As such, it appears the guides stated the double identity first.  Whether it was the Prima or the Nintendo, I don't know.  The Nintendo guide isn't dated, and the Prima guide has yet to arrive in my mailbox.  For the BTS section I assumed the Nintendo guide, and I added some concept art pulled from the 2001 DB entry. How does it look, better? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 03:50, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * The word "assumed" scares me, but the way you've done it is fine. Thefourdotelipsis (talk) 05:01, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yah, unfortunatly it's all I can do with it for now. If the Prima guide has a publishing date, I might switch to that though, just because it provides a hard date (if it does.  It was supposed to come in near a week ago).  --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 14:02, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, according the 1999 page, the Prima guide was released in June of 99. Again, not sure if the Elan Mak/Kam Nale thing is noted, but if it is then we have a date.  --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 15:31, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, so the Prima guide only states that Elan Mak's father was killed by Aldar Beedo. DOesn't mention an alias at all, which means that the Nintendo guide must be the first source for the alias, unless Nintendo decided to publish the book in 2001 or 2002, several years after the release of the N64, not to mention it was pretty much replaced by 2001/2002 with the PS2 and there really weren't any N64 games anymore.  As such, the earliest databank entry goes into 2001.  As such, the Nintendo guide by process of elimination must be the earliest source, minus the possibility Nintendo had no idea when to publish the guide, though that's mega-ly unlikely.  --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 22:01, October 8, 2013 (UTC)

Hanzo

 * A prelim: no infobox-exclusive info. I'm talking about eye color, height and skin color, all of which need to go to the P&T.
 * How does it look now?
 * Good. Also note that I linked both Color and Eye as well. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 00:45, October 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Noted. Also, in that case, if the word "Color" appears in the article body, should that be linked to the page over say, the color Purple that links to the page?  Or should the link to Color be applied to both words?--Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 00:26, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's personal preference whether one wants to link to the individual colors, or pipelink to color at first mention, as long as throughout the article there's consistency. In the infobox, color was pipelinked, so that's why I did the same for the main article. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 00:57, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Good job nominating this Podracer. Glad to see Podracers getting some attention. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 05:13, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I hope to do more or at least spark some interest in others.  Especially for these more Episode I racers, just finish up some of the movie characters.--Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 14:02, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Now the BTS needs to reflect the novel being his first appearance, as it still mentions the film being the first.
 * AH crud, should saw that. Thanks.  How does it read now?
 * This may be a sofixit, but please rearrange the source list so all of them are in chronological order of publication. I think it's probably just the two strategy guides you added that present an issue. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 20:54, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, did my best there. FOr the Nintendo Guide, I just placed it with the Prima, though again, there seems to be no way to tell.  THe Fact File didn't have a date either, or at least not in the article for it.  Also added more appearances. But does anyone know for certain if the Podracing story mode in Kinect is canon or not?  I haven't played it, but from synopsis's I've seen Nale doens't play a part (Though I guess Clegg and Beedo do).  But still, anyone know?  Or has no official source yet filed it yet? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 03:45, October 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well those Databank entries should have been kept where they were. With those entries, treat them as if they were released on September 12, 2011, which was their last day online. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 04:15, October 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, I didn't know that. Fixed, sorry. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 14:25, October 15, 2013 (UTC)

Revenge of the Dot

 * I won't strike my support, but why is Star Wars Kids 9 cited? It contains no reference to Nale whatsoever.
 * Huh, I don't know. I think I may of meant to write Star Wars Kids down generically, as the second image in the body is from SWK, albeit I don't know what issue.  I'll have to ask the uploader then. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 14:18, October 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * It'll be for the 2nd edition run, with all the TPM stuff. Unfortunately I don't have it, but you might need to seek it out and find out just what article Nale is referenced in to boot. Thefourdotelipsis (talk) 21:55, October 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, though according to JMAS it mentioned nothing new. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 03:16, October 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay, according to JMAS it was the "Who Is this Alien?" feature in SWK9, for the prequels. In which case, I was correct. There are two versions of each issue apparently, the original version, and an expanded version released later that had prequel stuff in it, such as SWK9. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 03:42, October 19, 2013 (UTC)

KamKorder

 * The Sources section just lists "Star Wars Kids 9." Do you know the name of the article in the magazine in which he's mentioned? If not, you could ask JMAS, as it looks like he provided you with the image. Once you nab the name of the article, use StarWarsKidsCite like here.
 * Also, since Elan Mak was created in 1999, then we're definitely talking about an issue from the second run of Kids magazine. Check out here --- there was a first run in the mid-nineties and a second run when The Phantom Menace was released. What you'll need to do is create an article on the second edition of Star Wars Kids 9 and be sure to link to it instead of the first edition.
 * Oh, I didn't know there was a template for that, alright then.
 * Probably worth mentioning the white and purple along with the green in the "skincolor" field of the infobox.
 * Okay. Also mentioned the lips.
 * I'd like to see the concept art mentioned in "Behind the scenes," noting how it differs from his final appearance.
 * I mentioned the art and maquette in the BtS, but I don't see the relevancy for noting any differences. It's one hell of a detailed piece for the character (Especially when compared to a lot of the other concept art for the pilots), and the maquette followed it closely, as did the CG model. I'm hard pressed to find any big difference at all, other than a few color differentiations, like the lips. Unless you really want me to note those. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 23:05, December 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Looks good. However, "Despite having a detailed maquette built and detailed concept art created by the film's art department" are both sourced to The Phantom Menace. That doesn't seem right. Menkooroo (talk) 13:37, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * How does the sourcing look now? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 21:32, December 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * Since some quotes use Quotetrans and others don't, can you name the languages he speaks in the Skills & abilities section?
 * Alright.
 * The first paragraph of "Elan Mak" is pretty big; can you split it up?
 * Doesn't seem much bigger than the second, plus splitting it would be a little odd as it's one event, but sure.
 * The quote used for the BTS is sourced to The Phantom Menace. That... can't be right. It looks like it's from one of the DVD extras; what you can do is create an article on that DVD feature (a la The Wookiees Are Back!) and link to it instead. That DVD feature could also be added to Kam's "Sources" section, just as The Wookiees Are Back! is for guys like Guanta and Lachichuk.
 * I'll have to go back and look, but I don't think that featurette had aname.  It was like a secret video with a secret button you could find when roaming the Deleted Scenes section.  The Deleted Scene was called 'Extended Starting Grid' or something, I wouldn't think the deleted scenes would need their own page, seeing there's a page that lists all of them. The quote is from an unnamed commentary bit that was the before-mentioned secret doc.  I suppose we could call it 'Extended Grid Dequence (Commentary)' or something?
 * In that case, it might just be best to source the quote to Star_Wars_DVD_releases. Menkooroo (talk) 00:00, November 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * How does that look now? Is that what you meant? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 15:32, December 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * The Episode I Visual Dictionary is in the Sources section, but Star Wars: The Complete Visual Dictionary is missing. Similarly, The Phantom Menace: The Expanded Visual Dictionary is referenced in the article for Kam having finished fifth in the Boonta Race, but it's absent from the Sources section.
 * Whoops, thought I got all those sources listed. Guess not.  Although, that shouldn't of been linked there. Podracing Tales is more appropriate.
 * What can you tell us about his role in Kinect? Even just something for Behind the scenes if it's a dance-off or something.
 * He was a competitor in Podracing, though he wasn't a part of the Podracing segment's story at all. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 18:59, November 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Those are my preliminaries! Expect a full cavity search after they've been addressed. Menkooroo (talk) 05:42, November 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * I 'd like to see the Kinect info in the bio under ambig canon tags. Aldar Beedo does a great job with this, currently. Menkooroo (talk) 13:37, December 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * I suppose, but there is no new info for it. The fact he was still racing in 22 BBY is already noted from the HoloNet News Article, and he wasn't a part of the story...  Though, actually, maybe I can think of something... --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 15:53, December 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Let me know what you think, then. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 22:17, December 14, 2013 (UTC)

El Jefe

 * ""Elan Mak" at some point regained control of his father's criminal empire, but continued to Podrace, but rather than pursuing Aldar Beedo himself, Nale used his funds to hire numerous mercenaries to track Beedo down and bring him to justice." Double "but" clauses.
 * Alright.
 * Context on Sernpidal.
 * How is that?
 * "Not only that, but Nale had already gone under several other aliases to avoid a pursuing rookie bounty hunter named Rango Tel." Why are you only introducing this now? This seems out of place. If Tel had been pursuing Nale since before the Boonta Classic, you should bring this up earlier.
 * Heh, good point actually. How does that look then?
 * No contractions.
 * Alright, I think I cleaned these up too now, minus quotes, of course. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 23:57, January 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't really see what Beedo's hunt for Sebulba has to do with Nale. I mean, I can understand if you mention it, but you go pretty in-depth.
 * I cut it up a bit, but I left the Poodoo Lounge information in tact. I was kind of trying to tie down the Hunter (Beedo) Hunted (Nale) sort of theme, treating Beedo as a major character to the article alongside Nale, with Sandage being a secondary recurring character. Mostly trimmed the Malastare stuff abit though, as that was sort of getting besides the point.
 * "Around this time Anakin Skywalker returned again to podracing for a third time, using his old pod that he had purchased back from Sebulba." This really relevant?  IFYLOFD  ( Enter the Floydome ) 03:18, December 31, 2013 (UTC)
 * Heh, no it's not really. Removed then! --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 20:55, January 1, 2014 (UTC)

Comments

 * Have you checked all sources and adaptations for this character? That's the thing about film characters, they could be shown in so much stuff. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 05:13, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * I've been trying too, but most of the Episode I guides that I have seen simply state his name as being the owner of a podracer, being a Boonta contestant, or something similar that didn't share much.--Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 14:03, October 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * I can tell you that he appears in the novel by Terry Brooks, indicating his list of appearances at the very least is incomplete. You should have either checked everything yourself and/or requested another user to check for you before nominating the article. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 19:18, October 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Not owning the novel I wasn't sure. The novel page also didn't list it.  Unfortunately I don't have everything, sorry.  I wouldn't know who to ask either.  I'll add in the novel appearance and I'll look for the audio abridged stuff on youtube or if there was an official Audio Adaption to listen too.  Granted, if I'm not mistaken, abridged cassettes are simply the book spoken word for word by a narrator, but then again I don't really know.  I'll look up the difference between abridged audio and audio drama a bit later.  What I'll do now, as it looks to be a good option, I'll open up a forum in the Knowledge Bank and see what can be dug up, if anything.  Maybe something new will come up.  --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 03:07, October 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Check User:SavageBob/Adaptations for a list of sources you need to check. If you don't have a particular source, your best bet is often to do a "What links here?" check on that sources page here and see what users list it as part of their collections. I have a lot of the BTS stuff on Phantom Menace, and I'm happy to help out if you need. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 17:40, October 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * One hell of a Resource there, several more appearances out of that. The comics and Manga both lacked appearances, but having read the former I don't believe Nale was a part of it (Instead Roles, Gasgano, Sebulba, and Anni were... And that was like it from what I recall... Or at least that was the Omnibus version).  If you have any extra Behind the Scenes infor for Nale, I'd love whatever you could offer.  On a personal note, whatever you have on the podracers at all would be helpful.  --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 03:48, October 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * As annoying as this might be, would you have checked the Encyclopedia for Kam Nale? There are a lot of entries and searching all of them might be painful, but still... Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 22:49, October 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I looked up in the obvious spots before writing, but those really just included Nale's entry, Aldar Beedo, Rango Tel, and Fluggrian. Borzu Nale doesn't have his own entry.  His own entry doesn't really pull up anything new, though the Fluggrian entry explains what all those knobs are on him.  I'd check a few other entries.  For sources would I list each entry he's mentioned in?  --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 03:15, October 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * I was actually talking about the online Encyclopedia on StarWars.com. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 03:54, October 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh. No, I haven't seen him mentioned anywhere there the last few times I've looked.  I mean, they have a CG model, so why don't they?  But lord knows.  The only thing remotely related to him is that if you look at the Boonta Eve Podracers page all that exists of Nale/Mak is that you can just barely make out one of his engines in the second header pic. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 03:40, October 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, seeing his vehicle is in the shot, I guess I'll just label the encyc as Picture Only. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 15:21, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * So is he inside the Podracer in that image? If so, I feel like it also would need a tag reflecting his Podracer only. If he's not in there, then I'd say leave it out of his source list. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 03:22, November 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's the flag parade. By this point the vehicles should've (should've) switched to the CG models with the pilots in them.  Both engines are clearly visible, but, Mawhonic's engine blocks the cockpit.  Following scene is an overhead shot of the vehicles before starting (Which coincidentally is on the Encyc page.  Easiest sign the pilots are added is that Aldar Beedo can be seen in his cockpit).  Low res CG models can be seen in cockpits.  So again, it's more of a he should've been in there as the vehicles have had the pilots added into them now.  What does that warrant? --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 05:15, November 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * would suffice. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 05:17, November 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Make that alongside the tag. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 05:17, November 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. --Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 15:20, November 5, 2013 (UTC)


 * Also, obviously not every section needs an image in the bio, but the GBC image was sorta cool.--Clonehunter(Report your W.M.D.) 22:15, October 8, 2013 (UTC)