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Gray Jedi

 * Please stop adding Kyle Katarn to the gray Jedi page. If you continue to do so you may be given a ban. Thanks, 20px  TheOne&OnlyAdmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 14:11, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * But Kyle Katarn uses Force Lighting and grip, and he has had several scirts with the dark side. Also, in his article it says he's probably a Gray Jedi.
 * That doesn't make him a Gray Jedi. Plo Koon used force lightning and was a respected member of the Jedi council. Quinlan Vos brushed the dark side several times, yet wasn't a Gray Jedi. And Wookieepedia articles can often be quite inaccurate, so I would rely too much on them for facts. 20px  TheOne&OnlyAdmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 14:22, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I know many other users will support my claim that he is a Gray Jedi, we should propably get a few more opinions.
 * That's not really important. We don't decide canon. If you can come up with a source which explicitly states he is a gray jedi, then by all means add it in. 20px  TheOne&OnlyAdmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 14:31, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Jedi Healers

 * Please stop classifying characters according to what you think they should be. We can only list canonical information. If a book or other official material calls someone a Jedi Healer, then you can add it and indicate the source.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 17:17, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, but both Tekli and Cilghal was a classified a Jedi Healers in the New Jedi Order series, so that means there Jed Healers, so when they appear in other novels of graphic novels they are appearing as Jedi Healers. They may not be healing but they are still Jedi Healers. The same applies to Barriss Offee, Vima-Da-Boda, Hosk Trey'lis, Stass Allie, and T'ra Saa. You deleted all of the appearences I put down for them.
 * It would be better to just include those appearances in the characters' articles. Listing all those appearances under Jedi Healer would only confuse people and is redundant anyway, since there is a Category:Jedi healers, which is where users will go if they want some examples. Beyond that, the only addition that might be appropriate for the Jedi Healer article is a selective "List of Jedi Healers," and every character appearing there must have a REF tag indicating the source.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 17:46, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, a list of Jedi Healers would be good, but I missed an appearance where they say the term Jedi Healer. I'll put that down instead.
 * And don't remove in text messages just to justify putting in those sources. It's vandalism. If you do that again, I will give you a cool down ban. -- SFH 17:49, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the test message, I was only putting back the appearances. I didn't mean to get rid of the test message. I would put it back, but I'm still getting used to editing and I don't know how to.

Re: EMP launcher
Probably a grenade launcher. And thanks for the kind words.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 23:39, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Your welcome, and thanks, I wasn't really sure.

Separatist species
One request: if you're adding an article to the Category:Separatist-aligned species, could you first make sure that there's information in the article showing that they were part of the CIS? I reverted your edits to the Advozse and Togorian articles, because there's no information in the sources I have which says what they were doing during the Clone Wars. Not that I'm saying your edits are wrong: I suspect that they're right, it's just that their separatist alignment is mentioned in a source I don't have, and that information is not mentioned elsewhere in the article. If you put the categorization back, please add some text to the history section of those articles, mention which source leads you to this information in the edit summary, and add a footnote if possible. Thanks, &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 12:59, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

GA userboxes
Hello. I couldn't help but notice that you have four userboxes. Looking at the history of the articles, you made little or no edits to two of them (IG-100 MagnaGuard and XJ-2 airspeeder), and while you did do some work to the other two, they were completely re-written by another user. The user GA box is only for users who significantly improved an article (e.g. adding at least several paragraphs of good quality writing). The boxes aren't given to users who made minimals edits to an article, who voted for it on the GAN page, or who had previously done work on it before it was re-written. So, I (and presumably the users who put in all the hard work on the articles) would appreciate if you would remove them accordingly. No hard feelings, --  AdmirableAckbar  [Talk] 15:56, 25 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Per AdmirableAckbar. Also, you added a userbox for the XJ-2 airspeeder, which I just archived today...so, ya. Like AdmirableAckbar explained above, that's how one comes to earn one of those userboxes ;) Greyman ( Paratus ) 00:10, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I understand dude. I thought it meant that if you supported for the article while it was nominated you could put the GA user box up. Sorry.

HOB GA
Youu are supposed to put context for everything you write in both the Intro and the Body anyway. I'm currently occupied with Knightfall objections but I will get to rereviewing HOB as soon as possible. NaruHina Talk 14px 00:34, 14 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, I was happy to help. NaruHina  Talk 14px 07:47, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

Lok durd

 * Well the pics had redlinks, so I removed them, plain and simple. And I dont have to consult you about it or anything. If there are redlinks I'll remove them.TroybShadowFeed48px 03:19, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Images
Please, make sure to remove black borders from those two images and re-upload them. Also try to find a bigger version of those images, which shouldn't very hard. Otherwise those images could be deleted as low-quality ones. Mauser 20:39, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

Darth Bandon GAN
I believe I've taken care of most of your objections, to the article. Don't know how to upload images to the article, and don't have the necessary equipment.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 15:34, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Lok Durd
Hey, you're welcome. I was planning on nominating it for a featured article, but as I already put Battle of Ryloth (Clone Wars) up for a FAN, I was planning to wait. (Although, admittedly, the article hasn't been reviewed yet.) I'd prefer if you nominated Lok Durd yourself, and I can try to help out in whatever ways I can, i.e. with answering objections, as long as you don't mind. (Also, I don't think "track records" will garner extra support. It's the article itself and the initiative of the nominator that matters, not who the nominator is, so it shouldn't matter who nominates it.) Also, you can check out The Clone Wars site on StarWars.com to watch the episodes for free (and legally). -- CC7567 [ http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/5/5f/Rex.png/20px-Rex.png] talk 01:38, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
 * If you'd like me to help out with answering objections for the article, I'm happy to do it. Someone reviewed the article, but I planned to leave it to you, since it's officially your nomination. If you'd like me to help out, though, I'm here; just let me know. -- CC7567 [ http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/5/5f/Rex.png/20px-Rex.png] talk 20:42, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The thing that concerns me is that I didn't nominate the article for an FA. I just don't want it to seem that it was my nomination instead of yours; I may have contributed to the article, but it's still your nomination. (And I'd prefer not to be a co-nominator for it.) I'd like you to answer the objections if you can. I'm still happy to help out, just not to the point where it seems like I'm the nominator and you're not. Just let me know if you'd like me to do something, and I'm happy to do it. -- CC7567 [ http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/5/5f/Rex.png/20px-Rex.png] talk 23:45, 29 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks; if I see fit to put in my input, I will. Otherwise, I'll just let you do it, because you're doing fine. Also, if the article is upgraded to an FA, I'd prefer not to use the FA box on my page, because even though I contributed to the article, it's not my nomination. Thanks anyway though; I appreciate the thought. -- CC7567 [ http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/5/5f/Rex.png/20px-Rex.png] talk 00:07, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

RE: GA noms
Hey, Kilson :). No worries, I wasn't an AC when I reviewed Korriban so that's why I hadn't changed it yet. Good work on Tatooine, I'll re-review Shiv later tonight :-).  Grunny  ( Talk ) 01:04, 26 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem, Kilson. I'll re-review Shiv soon, and I should be able to get to HOB sometime over the next few days.  Grunny  ( Talk ) 00:52, 30 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well the article can't pass until you do as it is incomplete, so you need to either look at the entry in a local bookstore or get someone who has it to give you the entry. I would but I'm not at home so I don't have it with me for the next week. And please don't edit my talk page archive, it is no longer active. Leave your comments on my current talk page as it says in the disclaimer at the top of the archive.  Grunny  ( Talk ) 05:42, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Saba Sebatyne FAN
I added the info for Outcast, so the article should be FA worthy now =D --Markrox91 02:10, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: Battle of Korriban

 * Sure, I can take a look a little later when I have time. However, I'm not exactly the most knowledgeable source on the Galactic Civil War, so I can only check things as far as spelling, grammar and general context. -- CC7567 [ http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/5/5f/Rex.png/20px-Rex.png] talk 01:18, 31 March 2009 (UTC)

Expanded Universe talk page
Please refrain from using that sort of language, and don't make a personal attack at anyone. If you really are 15 years old, why are you using those words anyhow? Zakor1138 03:15, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Knightfall
Hey, Kilson, you have an unstruck objection to Operation: Knightfall's GAN from a long time ago (Its #4). I've taken care of it. NaruHina Talk 14px 01:26, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

The block
What the others were doing in that discussion wasn't on topic, so if it were happen again, it would be best to just inform an admin about that. In general, though, we can't do anything about people's personal opinions of any official Star Wars person. Glad you get why attacking them wasn't OK. - Lord Hydronium 02:35, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Skirmish on Tatooine
Ok, I'll take a look over it soon.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 14:44, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

Recruitment
Hi there, pie lover. Since you've shown interest in The Clone Wars-related articles (such as nominating Lok Durd for an FA and Shiv and Kite for GAs), would you be interested in joining WookieeProject The Clone Wars? It's a comprehensive effort to get everything introduced in the series straightened out. We'd love to have you as a contributor to the project, so please consider joining. :) &mdash; CC7567 [ http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/5/5f/Rex.png/20px-Rex.png] (talk) 17:50, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

RE: Hoth nom and image
Hey, Kilson. I'm in the middle of a review right now but I'll take another look at Hoth when I'm done. As for your user image, it doesn't violate the user image policy, and as you can see from our general image policy animated images are discouraged but are allowed. Whether or not it is stupid or annoying is just people's opinion, and since it's your user page it's completely up to you. Hope that helps :-).  Grunny  ( Talk ) 05:06, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Request
Please don't alter existing statements on the GAN page. Graestan ( Talk ) 19:14, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Hoth
I'll review it shortly.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:18, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Combined Clans Center Building
Hey Kilson, finally found some time to work and did a major expansion of the article. I hope this addresses your GAN objections! —Xwing328 (Talk) 01:36, 4 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Whoops, didn't see that one. Should be good now. —Xwing328 (Talk) 01:57, 4 May 2009 (UTC)

RFB
Kilson, I have to thank you for your support of me in my election. Pumpkin pie, dutch apple pie, strawberry rhubarb pie, and lemon meringue pie don't hold a candle to the PIE that is Kilson's confidence in me. Still delicious, nonetheless. I'm glad we're working together now, and just as I've offered my assistance as an AC, I'd like to offer it as an administrator and bureaucrat, as well. If there's anything you need, just say the word. Graestan ( Talk ) 18:39, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

TCW
I do whatch it quite often ;)Zhao Zhang Tong 03:13, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

One month already
Hello to all the members of WookieeProject: The Clone Wars! Considering the project has just been launched, we've had a great first month, taking three articles to FA status and five articles to GA status. I would like to remind you to please try to do whatever you can to help out; there are still many potential articles that can be taken up as projects, and many of you are already working very hard on them. In the next month, we have a goal to double (if not multiply even more) our current FAs and GAs, because once Season Two starts airing, there will be a ton of more articles that will require attention, and it's best if we get as many as we can out of the way now. Thank you for contributing! Your project head,  CC7567  (talk) 20:19, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

RE: Kite
Hey Kilson. I already supported Kite on the 13th :-).  Grunny  ( Talk ) 08:35, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

Kite

 * Also, if you could add him to the project page's GAs, that would be helpful, as I don't have the time right now. :)  CC7567  (talk) 21:38, 28 May 2009 (UTC)

IRC
You're free. Graestan ( Talk ) 02:56, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Shiv
Since I believe it was you that got Shiv up to GA status, I wanted to let you know about a change I made to the article. I replaced the infobox image with a headshot without any distracting text/narration bubbles/boxes and move the current infobox image down into the Death section. Take a look, but I'm pretty sure you'll approve. :) -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 15:12, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Argyus
Hi Kilson. Would it be possible for you to upload the image of argyus talking to padme from transfer (TCW online comic), and add it to the article and images from transfer? If not, that's okay. Thanks.--Kigon 23:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

WP:TCW again
Hey Kilson. As project head for WP:TCW, I'm trying to get a better idea of who's still interested in participating in our project. If you're still interested in participating, please leave a note on my talk page or contact me in IRC. If you do not respond within a week, I will assume that you are no longer interested in participating. That doesn't mean that your name will be removed from the "Participants" list, but it means that any of your current projects will be removed from the project page so that others have a chance to work on them. Likewise, if you currently have any projects under your belt, I highly encourage you to review them, and if you don't plan on working on them within the next two or three weeks, I recommend reconsidering them. Thanks. Your project head,  CC7567  (talk) 05:47, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

A request
Hey, Kilson, could you please review an article for me? I just finished a clone named Stripe, and I'd like for someone to have a look at it before I put it on the nomination page.  Mauser  Comlink 15:39, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Fil
Hey Kilson, if you have time, could you give Fil a copyedit? Currently it is a FAN. Thanks man :)  JangFett  Talk 16:00, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

TCW online comics
Kilson, I also have written one online comic article (Bait) and I'll nomintae it when my other GANs are approved. I'm planning to do some more in the future (Switch, Prelude). --Clone Commander Lee 12:35, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Signature
Hey Kilson. I've been noticing some typos in your signature recently which, coupled with the timestamp on the sig often not matching the system timestamp on the edit, lead me to believe that you are manually typing out your signature every time. If that is the case, you can greatly simplify things by going into your preferences, copying  into the "Signature" field, and making sure the "Custom signature" checkbox is unchecked before saving. After that, simply type  at the end of your posts to sign them&mdash;this will insert Kilson Likes PIE and an automatically-generated timestamp. This both saves keystrokes and prevents errors. Thanks and may the Force be with you! &mdash;Master Jonathan(Jedi Council Chambers) 07:22, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Block and warning
30px You have been blocked from editing for one month for attempting to embarrass me further on my talk page as part of the spillover from your hard-earned IRC block. Don't ever pull this sort of crap with me again or the blocks are going to get severe. If and when you come back from this block, try being a constructive user and stop pretending you're the Court Jester for the whole site. We already have some and they're far funnier than you. Graestan ( Talk ) 01:17, 7 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Leave me alone. Graestan ( Talk ) 02:21, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * You couldn't leave well enough alone, had to add ban evasion to the list, so now I'm giving you your stated wish of a permanent vacation. Goodbye. I'm sure I'm not alone in saying that I will miss your prolific GA writing. It didn't have to end this way. Graestan ( Talk ) 13:26, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Re: Hey
Of course you're welcome to rejoin the project; you don't need my approval. Given that I wasn't personally involved in those long-ago disputes, I don't bear any hard feelings, and I look forward to working with you again in proper. :)  CC7567  (talk) 02:31, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

!
Welcome back, Kilson! Long time no chat. :)  JangFett  (Talk) 02:58, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Re: HoloNet
I honestly don't know which infobox would be best applicable; Media infobox might be of consideration, but other than that I have no idea. Also, I'll try to get to your GAN when I can, but I'm admittedly facing some seriously limited time on the Wook, so I can't promise anything.  CC7567  (talk) 05:54, March 1, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Thanks
Hey Kilson, no need to thank me&mdash;Jaccoba was a great article already, all that needed fixing was one little technical thing. I wish I could have helped more with Onaconda Farr, but then he got killed and we don't know if all that other stuff happened now... so I kinda put him on a back burner :P But anyway, it's great to have you back and I'm excited to see what other articles you promote! Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 03:19, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

Reviews
We appreciate how much you're writing now that you're out of the hole, but could you do a little more reviewing as well? That's an area that's lagging quite a bit, and I see that you actually make critical objections so I am more than comfortable inviting you to do so. Graestan ( Talk ) 03:58, March 7, 2011 (UTC)

OOU (I pronounce it "Ooooooooooooh!")
Hey there! Definitely good ideas. I'll respond to them one-by-one.

Regarding a single "development" section, you're absolutely right in that there's not always enough info to justify two separate sections. If you check out here, you'll see that the proposed layout guide states: "If there is not enough information to justify two sections, Conception and Production can be merged into a section titled Development."

I think that character sections are important no matter the size of the story, as the proposed layout guide calls for them to have two separate paragraphs --- an OOU one as well as an IU one. As an example, Into the Great Unknown is a ten-page comic, but its Characters section is still able to provide some unique info. No matter the length of the story, the Plot summary should still be just that --- a summary, and the IU parts of the Characters section are a good opportunity to focus more on the individual actions of that specific character. Providing unique info isn't the only goal, either, as the character profiles are a good way to focus both OOU and IU info on one particular character. I think that it's important to keep things consistent across the board, and I don't think that the length of a story should be cause for exception to the rule. Where do you draw the line? At 22 pages? At 10? At 5? A lot of punch can be packed into even the shortest of stories. If a comic didn't have any characters at all, I doubt if anyone would object to the lack of a Characters section, but I'd advocate including ones on the Wampa and the probe droid for Hoth. Consistency is always good, as is minimizing the amount of exceptions.

That's a good point about the Cast section for things that do have casts. I'll probably add that after the Media section. Music articles like MasterFred's don't fall under the layout guide I'm proposing, as they're not "published narrative works," but the proposed layout guide does recommend using a generally similar layout (summary/description, development, reception, etc). What's important to keep in mind is that this proposed layout guide is only for things like novels, video games, comics, short stories, TV episodes, and films. But crap, I hadn't even considered a Cast section. Menkooroo 04:03, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hi there! In the proposed layout guide, Appearances goes near the bottom of the article. That was something I picked up from previous OOU articles written by users such as Greyman and Sikon; better to keep it close to the bottom so as not to clutter tha article's main body. Kinda like in IU articles, which have the "Appearances" list at the bottom. Thoughts? Menkooroo 01:00, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Neyo
Hey Kilson, nice to have you back with the Wook! Are you working on CC-8826's article? I was actually gonna work on that, but since you've done more work on it than me, I'll cede it to you. I will review it when you do nominate him.&mdash; 22:52, March 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * I do have it, though not on me. I'll do this tomorrow, and I guess you'll be good to go.&mdash; 23:01, March 21, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Triumphant
For those that you can access yourself, I can direct you to all of the online sources listed on the CC-3636 and Battle of Abregado articles. For those that may be harder to access: it appears in Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Meet Ahsoka Tano, Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Jedi Adventures, and Star Wars: The Clone Wars: Forces of Darkness, and it is referenced in and Star Wars: The Clone Wars Official Episode Guide Series 1 & 2. You additionally might want to check to see if it appears in the "Shadow of Malevolence" newsreel, as I don't have the episode with me right now. Hope that helps.  CC7567  (talk) 05:36, March 22, 2011 (UTC)

Re:
Yeah, no problem. Normally I hungrily gobble up the chance to review OOU noms, but I was holding off this time due to the fact that the correct layout is still being kicked around. I was worried about making a layout-related objection only to have my own objection declared invalid the next day or something. :P Buuuuut I think we're drawing close to something of a consensus in that senate hall thread, so it should be OK. I'm about to run out the door, and I probably won't be able to review it until tomorrow, but I will do it! Cheers. Menkooroo 04:01, March 26, 2011 (UTC)

Battle of Kessel (0 ABY)

 * Hello, Kilson. It didn't dawn on me until I saw you make this latest change to your Battle of Kessel nom, but it seems we can specify a more exact date for that battle placement. We know canonically that the Rebels' evacuation of Yavin occurs in 0.5 ABY. So, if this Kessel battle takes place after that, I think it would be safe to go ahead and specify "c. 0.5 ABY" in the infobox and in the article itself. Though this would probably require a reference note explanation clarifying the 0.5 date from other source material. If it would be easier for you, I can add the reference note to the infobox, and then you can make any further changes to the article. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:29, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, refnote added. I answered your other question on my talk page. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:53, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

ConquerER-class atmospheric dreadnaught?
Hey Kilson! Just wanted to ask — is the comment next to the "CSWECite" template identifying the atmospheric dreadnaught as ConquerER-class a mistake or not?  Imperators II (Talk) 19:17, March 29, 2011 (UTC)