Talk:Timeline of Legends books

Wow, when did the big [bad] changes happen to the article?
I haven't visited this page in like 2 months. Come back to check it out; and I see it has been completely altered and made to more look like the other timeline one (which had a horrible look, feel, and design to it). What a waste of a once good article here. *sigh* This is saddening and dissapointing. CBenoit 16:57, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I see it was RedVix on April 4th who made the big change. May I just ask why? It was fine/better before. Now its completely screwed up. It looked near-perfect before. Now its completely horrible and mismanaged and bad looking. CBenoit 17:01, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


 * I am just as shocked. In addition, now the Timeline of Adult Books has been replaced by the general timeline of books. I'm not one to complain, but was a discussion carried out prior to the drastic change?--Secretss 08:31, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Italics
Not to sound rude, but I think the list looked better with the novels not italicised.
 * Why not add comics too?

There is already one that has all books, short stories, comics, etc. I made this one for just books (thus TIMELINE OF BOOKS), its for the people who only read the books.

New Essential Chronology
Why is it placed in 28 ABY when it makes references to events from Unseen Queen, and is actually stated to have been written 36 years after Yavin? Aeods 07:24, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Contents
Is there any way to make the contents header at the beginning look better? CBenoit 16:25, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you'd have to either make a custom template or remove it altogether, which probably wouldn't be worth it. 23:21, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Merge Novel and Book lists?
I prefer the Novel list because the young reader books aren't included. I say either leave the 2 lists as is or change the book list to a young reader book list minus the novels. -Finlayson 00:53, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


 * A while back I made Timeline of novels and Timeline of young adult books. I left this page for those who may want to see all the books in a chronological list. Adamwankenobi Talk to me! My home. 01:01, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, I see. Thanks.  Doesn't matter to me as long as the novel timeline is kept.. -Finlayson 01:08, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

It appears they were merged. I think it looked better un-merged. CBenoit 13:22, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Why should it be unmerged? There are two seperate timelines for the novels and the young adult books. This one simply merges both so there is no point in unmerging it.--Ranat 23 01:45, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * * The previous format was easier to read, less jumbled, and alot easier to navigate and such. The linear straight chronology kept it more in-line with in-universe rather than using eras and such.

I just think the previous version was much better. CBenoit 00:15, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Incorect Timeline

 * Storm Fleet Warnings takes place during the Clone Wars, not right before Episode II.

The Two jedi Aprentice Books shouldn't be were they are. atleast not the Jedi Aprentice SE II that should be someware after Ep I. and the Han Solo Books are out of Order. A.C. Crispon's books go TPS, THG, and then the other three Han Solo books and THEN at the same time as EP IV Rebel Dawn something needs to be done with this. does anyone ellse agree?
 * Han and Chewie go to the Corp. sector about a 1/3 of the way into Rebel Dawn. So if you list them by the year it starts, the order of the HS adventures and Rebel Dawn is correct. -Finlayson 06:18, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The timeline mostly is centered off of the timeline given in the Del Rey books. Other sources contribute after that. CBenoit 12:29, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I was thinking when it comes to books that go threw time eras/years we could do like what page number it starts for that year and ends for that year you know what I'm saying? Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 23:33, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * If you want to go through each book to do that and list the pages, I guess go for it, but just make it look nice and neat.
 * The page numbers will probably be different in hardcover and paperback versions. -Finlayson 13:49, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Just make a note at the top, like we used to have for the Jedi Quest that had different timeframes (speaking of which... what happaned to that?), and have the note state that all pg. numbers go by either the paperback or the hardcover. CBenoit 13:59, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

ALSO, on the subject.... any truth to the change someone made moving Rebirth to 26.5 ABY rather than just at 26 ABY? CBenoit 12:11, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

The CORUSCANT NIGHTS trilogy takes place from 18.8-18.3 BBY, And the LAST OF THE JEDI Series states that "Obi-Wan has been on Tatooine for a year. So why can't the timeline put the entire Coruscant Nights trilogy before the entire Last of the Jedi series? ALSO- THE LIFE AND LEGEND OF OBI-WAN KENOBI, as well as THE RISE AND FALL OF DARTH VADER, actually TAKE PLACE in the time between Episodes V and VI.  Not sure about A NEW HOPE: THE LIFE OF LUKE SKYWALKER yet.  but if the novels place the story in that time period, why can't the timeline put them there? --70.5.46.204 20:38, November 13, 2009 (UTC)Jedi Master Archivist

Mist Encounter
X-Wing, why the revert? Mist Encounter should be listed due to it being in-print in a novel (BOOK). CBenoit 17:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Probably cause it is a short story. It is not a book itself. -Fnlayson 17:56, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sry, I should've explained, but like Finlayson said, it's not a book itself. This list is only for books. For example, we have Tales from the Mos Eisley Cantina, but not all the individual stories appearing within that book. 18:01, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * This is slightly different though. This is basically the same as an e-book correct, since its available online. We have the ebooks listed, so why not list this? CBenoit 18:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * E-books are generally longer and are considered novellas. -Fnlayson 18:58, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Darth Bane: Path of destruction
In the Darth Bane: Path of Destruction article, it says the book is between 1003 BBY and 1000 BBY, not in 1020. Darth Echuta 21:17, 23 April 2007 (UTC)

Galaxy of Fear
XWing32, why'd you move the Galaxy of Fear novels to 1 ABY.... when all of their pages list them as occuring at 0 ABY CBenoit 00:38, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Old Republic Era
Is it 1020 BBY or is it 1000 BBY? There seems to be numerous conflicting reports on this. CBenoit 16:55, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The generally accepted demarcation between "Old Republic" and "Rise of the Empire" is 1000 BBY. DigiFluid 20:12, October 26, 2011 (UTC)

Tales from books
Wondered about the placement of the Tales books...


 * Tales from the Empire is placed at 4 ABY, as I found out, the chronologically first story is listed here on wookieepedia for 5 BBY, The Final Exit. This one is listed as happening at 11 BBY on TFN Ultimate Timeline. Dunno which one is correct, I think it's difficult to place it.
 * Tales from the New Republic is placed at 4 ABY, as I found out, the chronologically first story is listed here on wookieepedia for around 0 BBY, Interlude at Darkknell. TFN Ultimate Timeline states The Last Hand as the chronologically first one in 4 BBY. Which one's correct?
 * will look up the three other Tales as well soon...

[SW] Tales are comics or graphic novels, so look under Timeline of comics. -Fnlayson 21:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Not necessarily true; the two books he mentioned (Tales from the Empire, Tales from the New Republic) are books with multiple short stories in them. There's also three others - Tales from Mos Eisley, Tales from Jabba's Palace, Tales of the Bounty Hunters, all of which are on the timeline. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 01:41, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I was referring to Star Wars Tales. Right, the Tales from books are anthologies, i.e. short stories collections.  Tales of the Bounty Hunters may be similar.  I know Interlude happens in 0 BBY.  I don't know why the books are listed where they are.  Probably cause the placement officially (or semi-officially) comes from Del Rey's time line.  -Fnlayson 05:57, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I think thats where the placement came from. Tales of the Bounty Hunters is the same deal - anthology of short stories about the five bounty hunters chasing Han Solo in ESB. Edited by KJA. -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 18:56, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Notation for young adult books
Should we add a notation like (YA) for young adult books? I personally don't mind doing so, and I think it's a good idea. My rationale: There may be people who'd like to know the entire chronology of books (both A and YA) while still being able to tell which ones are for YA. Someone might say, "if you want to tell them apart, go to the individual lists!" Well, my response is, the individual lists for A and YA books don't provide readily obtainable information on how the books from the two lists fit among each other in the timeline. By adding a simple notation to this merged list, we can hit two birds with one stone. If the only other objection is "this is too troublesome and not worth the trouble", well, I offer my services with pleasure (but only after my final exams are over =P). Oh, and we can add an (E) for the ebooks too. --Secretss 15:31, 16 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I thought of this too. By doing that we could delete the Timeline of adult novels and Timeline of young adult books and eliminate redundancy. — RedVix  | 16:38, 16 April 2009 (UTC) (12:38 EST)
 * Oh, no that's not really my intention. I think there had been a discussion held about this, but I couldn't be bothered to read through to find out what was the consensus. I'm (or was, rather) for keeping both individual lists. I was planning on doing my Star Wars book-shopping with the adult book list. However, now I'm comparing the list with Wikipedia's Star Wars book list, and frankly, even with A, YA, and eBooks listed, Wikipedia's book list is still much easier on the eyes. I think I'll do my shopping with Wikipedia's list. Now I'm just neutral on whether Wookiepedia keeps the individual lists. Well, we'll see what happens.--Secretss 17:31, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

Placement of The Life and Legend of Obi-Wan Kenobi in the chronology
The Life and Legend of Obi-Wan Kenobi has a timeline span of 44BBY to 10ABY.

The Rise and Fall of Darth Vader has a timeline span of 39BBY to 4ABY.

The placement of Obi-Wan in the chronology is in the middle of the book's timeline span (3.5ABY).

The placement of Darth Vader in the chronology is at the start of the book's timeline span (39BBY).

Inconsistencies bug me. I'm going to move Obi-Wan's book up to 44BBY in the chronology, in accordance to Darth Vader's book's placement.--Secretss 15:49, 16 April 2009 (UTC)

New version
I will replace the list with this one tonight. It will be easier to read and it contains more informations. We will also be able to delete the Timeline of adult novels and Timeline of young adult books since they are basically a copy of this one and it's really a pain to keep all three updated. With the colors of the new version, it's easy to focus on one category and ignore the rest. So if you have a last minute request, please tell me about it here. — RedVix  | 17:34, 1 May 2009 (EST)
 * It's done. As I said, we should now delete the two other timelines. I will do that tomorrow if no one care. — RedVix  | 04:05, 2 May 2009 (EST)
 * Thank you very much Silly Dan! — RedVix  | 17:03, 4 May 2009 (EST)
 * I am colorblind and your color coding actually adds nothing for me and makes a printed list even harder to read when printed in B&W, or photocopied. Please consider a three letter abbreviation for the targeted reader age, added as a column or preceding the listing. Couldn't the text of an added three letter abbreviation be color coded and achieve the same ease of use for those with conventional color vision, while being more inclusive to the colorblind and more legible in a B&W printout? Remember old age causes loss in color vision naturally, so your awareness to the issue might be one to cultivate.*** Colorblind Designer

New Essential Chronology
Someone stuck the New Essential Chonology on this page. Does it belong here? If so, it should be fixed. He didn't seem to know how to use the table. 70.26.58.188 21:20, 22 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm going to remove it. — RedVix  | 21:24, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Han Solo trilogy
The New Essential Chronology placed Han Solo and the Lost Legacy in 1-0 BBY, while Han Solo at Stars' End and Han Solo's Revenge were placed in 2-1 BBY. Moreover based on Rebel Dawn the Lost Legacy book ends in 0 BBY. What's the source for the 2 BBY date for all three books of this triolgy? Killik Brain 20:09, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * In the chronology in the first pages of all the books, it's 2 BBY. — RedVix  | 15:21, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
 * the latest versions of those are screwed up like putting all the NJO in 25 ABY and POD in 1020 BBY... I'm sure the 2 BBY date is no longer correct for the end of the trilogy. --Killik Brain 16:41, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

Not yet published books.
It should be good to have books that are not still ready in the shops marked. For example, with different letter colour. TarAldir 18:29, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Firstly, SIGN YOUR COMMENTS! And secondly, I tried out what you suggested. If people like it, then we can keep it. Additionally, I may have missed a few. DarthEinstein 16:33, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't it be more beneficial to do something besides changing the background though? In other words, for unreleased books you still keep the background for adult, young adult or ebook, but italicize or bold the font face so that it can be recognized as unreleased (w/o losing the information of what type of book it is). -- DarkJedi613 (Talk) 17:37, 6 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I agree with DarkJedi613. Besides that, if should be good to have beside the title the scheduled release date.TarAldir 10:29, 7 June 2009 (UTC)

eBooks vs Short Stories
Most of the short stories can be downloaded from Hyperspace. Should they be added as eBooks for completeness? Of course I started adding them before I read the whole intro. I'll delete for now. ::: Eniad (Boring conversation anyway.) 11:12, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * It's hard to separate an eBook and a short story but we usually call an "eBook" a story that was included in a book as an extra, the most recents being these Lost Tribe of the Sith crap. I see you added Judge's Call in the list but that one is a short story. If we add short stories in this list we need them all. There is dozens of them and they are hard to find since they are not all clearly indicated as short stories even here on Wookieepedia. — RedVix  | 15:04, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * I left Judge's Call on the list because it is on the eBooks list. This seems to be your baby, so I'll defer to your decision. Eniad  (Boring conversation anyway.) 19:47, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * Because the line of demarcation appears to be a story's inclusion in a book as an extra, I've added Omega Squad: Targets because it is included within Republic Commando: Triple Zero. Hope I didn't screw everything up by doing so.  - Shafty | December 14, 2009

It has been indicated above that inclusion in a book alone is not enough to warrant its inclusion here. We need a better definition. We need one without all these exceptions.

eBook/Novella A story shorter than a novel that has been published electronically, by itself, and contains it's own ISBN number.

That's the simplest definition I can come up with that includes all of the stories considered novellas and excludes the short stories. &mdash; Eшσҡ  $їтӈ Lōяƌ  20:05, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Inconsistencies in Novels, or mistakes in timeline? (Clone Wars period)
Have been reading my way through the clone wars era, between episodes II and III, according to this timeline, and am feeling like it's out of order. Instances such as The Clone Wars being listed as 22BBY, having Anakin as a full Jedi Knight with a new Padawan of his own, then the Cestus Deception, listed as 21BBY, and several books after The Clone Wars has Anakin as a Padawan. 76.115.146.152 02:21, January 23, 2010 (UTC)Gink
 * The new cartoon and its ancillary materials has pretty throughly disrupted what was understood about the events of 22BBY-19BBY, and the people in charge of the chronology have stated they will not even attempt to sort the mess out until "The Clone Wars" has wrapped up. Dangerdan97 02:26, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Crosscurrent placement
Crosscurrent should be before Millennium Falcon, not among the Lost Tribe of the Sith.

Lost Tribe of the Sith
Book 4 needs to be placed in 4975 BBY, as the synopsis places it 25 years since they arrived on the planet (in 5000 BBY). I'd do it myself, but last time I edited this page I made a big mess :D DigiFluid 04:30, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

The Clone Wars
It just makes plain sense to put The Clone Wars books after Jedi Trial, yes the timeline in years is indeed screwed up by the new TV series, but that doesn't mean that the books chronologically should be scrwed up either; this is obviously the way to go, what do ya'll think? - Podracer1994, May 17 2010

Han Solo/Lando Calrissian Adventures and the Rebellion
In Lando Calrissian and the Mindharp of Sharu, Lando wins the droid called Vuffi Raa in a game of sabacc. The droid pilots Lando's new ship, the Millenium Falcon. This takes place before Han and Lando meet in The Hutt Gambit. The timeline should go as follows:

The Paradise Snare,

Lando Calrissian and the Mindharp of Sharu, The Hutt Gambit,

Lando Calrissian and the Flamewind of Oseon,

Lando Calrissian and the Starcave of ThonBoka,

Rebel Dawn

That being fact- Rebel Dawn takes place over the course of about 3 years, and should therefore be set concurrently with The Force Unleashed, The Han Solo Adventures, Death Troopers, Dark Forces: Soldier for the Empire, Death Star and the upcoming Adventures in Hyperspace series, as it takes place from 3-0 BBY.

--208.157.166.133 17:23, May 26, 2010 (UTC)Jedi Master Archivist


 * Most of this is correct, but with a few changes. "The Mindharp of Sharu" actually occurs during "The Hutt Gambit", not before. There's a period of a few months when Lando leaves and comes back with the droid Vuffi Raa and the items that he obtained at the end of "Mindharp". Also, the end of "The Hutt Gambit" has an epilogue occurring six months after the climax, which leads into "Rebel Dawn". The events of "The Flamewind of Oseon" and "The Starcave of ThonBoka" would have had to occur within those six months since "Rebel Dawn" starts almost immediately after the epilogue, and a very important plot point occurs in the first chapter of that book which could only have happened after the last two Lando Calrissian books. Whatever the correct years are, "The Hutt Gambit" should envelope the time frame of all three of the Lando Calrissian books. - Khavanon, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Pantheon and Secrets
What's the source for Lost Tribe of the Sith: Pantheon and Lost Tribe of the Sith: Secrets being dated at c. 3,650 BBY? Imperators II 21:08, March 3, 2011 (UTC)

Crosscurrent
There are some books, like The Life and Legend of Obi-Wan Kenobi, whose timeline starts on some year and ends on a very long year. On that cases, the book is put on the earlier year (The Life and Legend of Obi-Wan Kenobi is put on 44 BBY instead of 9 ABY). ¿So why, if Crosscurrent talks about Great Hyperspace War (5,000 BBY) and Legacy era (41 ABY), it is put on 41 ABY instead of 5,000 BBY? A thing: I haven't read the book, I'm just talking about what I have read on the articles.Skenar ( Talk )  01:54, February 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I would imagine because its primary setting is 41 ABY, at least that is the impression I am getting and I haven't read it either. Zeta1127 of the 89th Legion (talk) 04:28, February 25, 2012 (UTC)

Are all these game books offering anything to the saga? It seems to me that they aren't really novels, merely guides to playing an RPG. I thought this was a list of novels.--Nickowar 00:47, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Confusing colors
Some of the colors are confusing. On the Timeline of media, blue is for novels, and red is for not yet published. Here, red is for kids novels, blue is for not yet published and green is for adult novels. To me, it would seem more intuitively consistent to make blue adult novels, green kids novels and red not yet printed. Are there any objections to this? &mdash; Eшσҡ  $їтӈ Lōяƌ  18:37, June 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm gonna go ahead and change it. In the long run, it will be easier. &mdash; Eшσҡ   $їтӈ Lōяƌ  02:58, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Colorblind usability
I noticed above that a colorblind person made an unsigned comment. As I was working with colors, I began to think about it more. These colors probably make it hard for them to read the page (I'm not colorblind, so I don't know). I have an idea, and I have a feeling you're not gonna like it. Colorblindness affects 8% of males. You can read more about it here. I'm not suggesting that we remove the colors from this page. A rather out of place yet fitting quote would be "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one." We should keep the colors on this page, but perhaps we could create a second page mirroring this one but with the colors removed. I know it might be a pain to do, but shouldn't we make the site friendly for everyone who enjoys Star Wars? If nothing else, it will be a more printer-friendly page. &mdash; Eшσҡ  $їтӈ Lōяƌ  03:45, June 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Making Wookieepedia more accessible in general is an excellent idea. You're definitely onto something here. Menkooroo 01:43, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Missing Books?
Are there any books missing from the list? DarthRevan1173 (talk) 05:19, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Episode I Adventure Game Books
Do the Game books belong in this list? This list seems to me to be a collection of books to tell the story of Star Wars. Aren't the game books listed here guidelines for an RPG? Nickowar (talk) 00:55, July 15, 2012 (UTC)

Move Death Star and Shadow Games to Rebellion Era
These two novels should be moved to Rebellion Era, as that's how Del Rey defines them. --Muju (talk) 18:36, August 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * There is some ambiguity about the chronology of Shadow Games. On the one hand Del Rey says it is set around the time of 2 BBY; on the other hand, the book (and Del Rey) labels the time setting as being during the Rebellion Era. Additionally, the timeline that is shown with the book shows it being after Death Star and before ANH.   So, obviously, there is an error somewhere. Hopefully reading the book will shed some light on the issue, so if someone who has read the book could enlighten us, that would be great. --Muju (talk) 17:32, August 16, 2012 (UTC)

Game Books
Do we really need the game books of the Star Wars adventures in the timeline? All they tell you is how to play the game that you got with them when you signed up for them. DarthRevan1173 (Long live Lord Revan) 03:17, August 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * They are adaptations of the storyline from the corresponding novel. They tell the story and have canonical elements all their own, so they should stay like any other book. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 03:25, August 24, 2012 (UTC)

New Section
The Addition of the Gamebook Category.

All of the books that have been changed from childrens books to gamebooks have been for a reason. The Star Wars missions, Episode I adventures and Star Wars Adventures sets are game books. The 2 part books: Episode I Adventures and Star Wars Adventures require the second book to complete the story. The first part of the first book is a story then prompts the reader to go to the second book to complete the game and then return to the first book.ExarKunLives (talk) 04:39, November 28, 2012 (UTC)