Talk:Mustafar/Legends

Is it fully understood that the name of the volcanic body is not something more on the order of the Volcanic Moon of Mustafar, even as its stated to be a double planet. For all we know, the gas giant is the named planet and this is a moon of it. Remember how Lucas likes to mirror the movies. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:15, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Mustafar name
Is it possible the name was a wordplay on Mufasar (from the Lion King) who was also voiced by James Earl Jones. It would seem fiting as Mufasar died in the Lion King, and on Mustafar Anakin Skywalker died on mustafar and became Darth Vader? -- Jasca Ducato 19:16, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I thought it was Mufasa. Still close though. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:53, 8 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Mustafa
Mustafa (Arabic script: مصطفى) means "chosen one". It is both an ordinary word and a proper name, and it is one of the names given to the Prophet Muhammad. Mustafar is nearly the same, except for the final R (for Revenge [of the Sith]?). Obi-Wan says to Vader there, "you were the Chosen One!". Coincidence, or ... ?
 * Good job 81. You know it was intentional on the part of Lucas. ;) -- Riffsyphon1024 20:29, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Let's add that to the behind the scenes section.Lord vader1414 22:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:18, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Coruscant to Mustafar?
How in the hell was Palpatine able to haul himself from Imperial Center to this desolate piece of magma in the Outer Rim in, apparently, five minutes? Thanos6 20:52, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * My guess is that he was clued off that he needed to head out there with a bit of farseeing through the Force. jSarek 22:49, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * No, I know that, but don't even the fastest shuttles take days to go from Core to Outer Rim? Thanos6 22:50, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Apparently not; we've seen several different quick journeys from the Core Worlds to the Outer Rim Territories (or vice versa) in the course of the films (Darth Maul's trip to Tatooine, Yoda's trip from Coruscant to Kamino to Geonosis, and the Millennium Falcon's trip from Tatooine to Alderaan). The *average* trip from a random Core planet to a random Rim planet is measured in days or weeks, but apparently the specific planets we've seen in the movies have far shorter transit times than the average, a benefit of being located close to high-speed hyperroutes like the Corellian Run and the Hydian Way. jSarek 23:10, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Then there's Admiral Piett saying "they're on the other side of the galaxy by now..." referring to the Falcon escaping a few hours before. VT-16 13:35, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * And don't forget who Palpatine is. He's the Emperor of the Galaxy, he can get anywhere he wants as fast as he wants. --Master Starkeiller 14:57, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Yep. He'd have access to the fastest ships, and as Sith Lord probably had knowledge of forgotten or secret travelling routes. VT-16 12:24, 26 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * We know that he was aware of shortcuts through the Deep Core area, which was generally thought of as impossible to navitage at lightspeed due the density of stars. That aside, there's also the possibility that the Yoda/Palpatine and Obi-Wan/Anakin duels weren't near-simultaneous like they seemed in the movie. After all, Obi-Wan had to make the trip to Mustafar to confront Anakin, while Yoda was already on the same planet as Palpatine. There really wasn't any reason for Yoda to wait around for however long it would take for Obi-Wan to make the trip. Thus, it's possible that Yoda and Palpatine's duel was concluded days before Obi-Wan and Anakin's even started. 71.236.33.191 17:36, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Mineral Collecting Facility
Dressing a Galaxy says it belongs to a Commerce Guild signatory.--Rune Haako 23:20, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Mustafar in Star Wars Galaxies
Mustafar's history is discussed somewhat often within Star Wars Galaxies' "Trials of Obi-Wan" expansion. Should information about the Jedi and Sith battle on Mustafar be included in this article? It seemed to be a rather large part of the planet's ancient history.

If you cite the source and type up a reasonable summary, have at it! Dangerdan97 13:56, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Backwards lava flow
In The Revenge of the Sith DVD, I belive it was Rick Mcallum (sp?) that said because of the way the scene where Anakin and Obi-wan duel on the fallen arm in the lava river was originally shot, the lava flow had to be reversed to show them coming towards the screen instead of away from it. Is this something we want to add in the behind the scenes section just for reference? -Lord vader1414 05:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Is it really needed there? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess not, but wouldn't it be good to put in just for reference? I've seen crazier stuff put in other articles. -Lord vader1414 17:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You have a point. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:01, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * So, do we want to add that? -Lord vader1414 21:10, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I said "You have a point" because you said "I've seen crazier stuff put in other articles". ;) Anyway, that might be better in Duel on Mustafar. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, true. Ok then. : ) -Lord vader1414 22:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Now that I think about it, it could be added here... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:53, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, you decide and tell me what you think is best. Oh, by the way, all you people reading this can submit too. Sometimes i feel that these discussions are between just me and Nebulax. -Lord vader1414 22:59, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It probably should go in the article. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait, THIS one, right? not the duel article? -Lord vader1414 23:02, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Both. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:05, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok then, will do! : ) -Lord vader1414 23:07, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, then. Well, I guess I could have made this a shorter conversation had I said that in the first place... ;) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:09, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That's ok, you didnt know. Look good? -Lord vader1414 23:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. I'm just surprised no one put the bullets in before. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:14, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I would have just placed it on the Duel article, but that's just me. ;) -- Riffsyphon1024 04:58, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, at least we agreed on placing it in one place. ;) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:32, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What's done is done, my friends. I'd say that it's ingraved in stone, but it's not, so... yeah... But i think it looks ok where it is. If you have an objection, just tell me. -Lord vader1414 06:51, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it could always be removed if someone thinks it's not neccissary there. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Breathable Air?
I've been wondering on this quite some time, how the heck is anybody able to survive on Mustafar if it has no way of creating breathable air? Maybe because in a Galaxy far far away they breath somethine else? Just been wondering on this and wanted to know if anybody knew out there Ivor 22:23, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, so far, oxygen is probably what most people breathe. It's possible that there is some form of odd vegetation that can survive the intense heats. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:16, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Green?
What is the source for Mustafar once having been a "lush, green world"? I have seen nothing to support this. In fact, the Databank makes no mention of a gas giant being repositioned with the Force, or Mustafar once being green. -  Angel Blue 451 (Holonet) 01:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Most likely fanon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm removing it until we get a source. -  Angel Blue 451 (Holonet)[[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] 16:31, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually I added that myself...it's from both Galaxies, and a short story published on the Galaxies site, which is linked to in the Sources. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 23:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * But isn't that contradicted by another source? I'm positive I've read that Mustafar was a relatively young and unstable planet. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * From the Databank:

''The young world of Mustafar is literally being torn in opposing directions, caught in a gravimetric tug of war that keeps it from becoming the moon of a nearby gas giant. Despite the close proximity of massive Jestefad, Mustafar keeps to its erratic orbit, pulled by the distant influence of another giant, Lefrani. The tidal strain heats up Mustafar's molten core, resulting in spectacular geological activity across the entire planet.''

There is no mention of it ever having been lush and green. -  Angel Blue 451 (Holonet) 00:04, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm pretty sure Star Wars: Complete Locations says something very similar. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:05, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * "Long ago in the days of the Old Republic, Mustafar was a lush green world. It was a much different place than it is now, free of volcanic activity and a harsh atmosphere. The Jedi were strong in the ways of the Force, and had many temples on Mustafar where they cultivated their abilities and trained their students. The Sith were also very powerful and wanted to exterminate the Jedi. Long ago, this small world set the stage for a climactic battle between the Jedi and the Sith."

- http://starwarsgalaxies.station.sony.com/en_US/players/content.vm?page=Lost%20Treasure&resource=features


 * Adding it back in, seeing as the Galaxies site is a canon source, and there's nothing in that statement that denies that it's a possiblity. Also, that particular article was written by one of the Galaxies staff members for the Friday Feature, to tie in with the new releases in the game. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 01:17, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

''The young world of Mustafar is literally being torn in opposing directions, caught in a gravimetric tug of war that keeps it from becoming the moon of a nearby gas giant. Despite the close proximity of massive Jestefad, Mustafar keeps to its erratic orbit, pulled by the distant influence of another giant, Lefrani. The tidal strain heats up Mustafar's molten core, resulting in spectacular geological activity across the entire planet.''
 * And I'm reverting it, as it conflicts with a higher-canon source. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:16, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You've yet to provide me with a source, so I reverted it again and will enforce the Three Revert Rule if you do so again without providing proof. Tbe previous quote says that Mustafar is caught in a gravimetric tug-of-war between 2 gas giants...the Galaxies link says the exact same thing, just that it wasn't always in that tug-of-war, it only entered into it when one of the gas giants were moved...which actually makes a lot of sense, seeing as it's unlikely a planet would enter that kind of orbit naturally. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 14:48, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Apparently you've just disregarded what Angel Blue said. From the Databank:

Now, if you keep reverting it, I'll have to bring this to the attention of another administrator. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20:25, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * What level of canonicity does the Galaxies website represent? -  Angel Blue 451 (Holonet)[[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] 20:34, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

''S-canon is "secondary" canon; the story itself is considered non-continuity, but the non-contradicting elements are still a canon part of the Star Wars universe. This includes things like the online roleplaying game Star Wars Galaxies and certain elements of a few N-canon stories.'' -  Angel Blue 451 (Holonet) 20:46, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Jack note that that *causes* it. maybe before it moved in range of the gas giant it was lush and green. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 20:35, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ugluk, it is specifically called a young planet. When Earth was a young planet, it wasn't lush and green. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:36, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That's also what bothers me. It takes a while for that kind of life to develop.  I ask again, what level of canon does the Galaxies website represent? - Angel Blue 451 (Holonet)[[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] 20:39, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say the second lowest level of canon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:40, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * From our article on Star Wars canon, the second to last rank:
 * Wow, I only took a guess. Well, that settles it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:53, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Young is a relative term when it comes to planets....we know that the Star Wars Galaxy is at least 7,500,000,000 years old, so making the planet be at least 25,000 years old causes absolutely no problem. Heck, Earth is said to be a young planet by most scientists, and it comes in to be at least 4,567,000,000 years old. So even if Mustafar had been 1,000,000,000 years old, it would still be classed as young...I see absolutely no problem. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 00:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * True.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 00:13, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Now, let's stop discussing it through an edit war and start discussing it here. Now, first of all, if Mustafar was originally lush and green, then how come the two gas giants didn't turn the planet into a lava-cover ball in space from the beginning? It makes no sense. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:20, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe because it wasn't always caught between the two gas giants.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 00:24, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Then how'd it get there? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:25, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps its orbit was altered when it was hit by some large object, or it was always at risk since it was formed.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 00:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Jaymach, I'm sorry, but according to my interpretation of our own article, Jack is right. Galaxies is on S-canon, which is level three. How about an ambig canon section detailing it? -- SFH 00:32, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That seems like an acceptable solution to me, pending further information. -  Angel Blue 451 [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]](Holonet) 00:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyway, such events are not impossible.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 00:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that it's S-canon and so, if it did contradict then there would be a problem. As I've already said though, young is a relative term when it comes to planets and so far there's no other evidence been used against it once being a lush green world. Additionally, if you read the source I provided a few times, it states that the gas giant was moved into place by the Sith through the Force, in an effort to destroy the planet (we've seen the Sith do this kinda thing during the Great Sith Wars) and so, until I see some more contradiction other than "it's a young planet" (which, you can not, I agree with) then it deserves to be in the article. Additionally, Jack has brought up that I also broke the 3RR...if an admin wishes to ban me for 24 hours for doing so then I shall accept the decision. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 00:38, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It could have simply been gravity as well. Does the Galaxies site actually claim that a gas giant was moved by the Force?--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 00:39, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Jaymach, I can't block you...Kuralyov tried to block himself once, and was still able to edit. We as a community are starting to get a little combative now, and I for one am sick of it. Can't we all just get along? (immediately gets punched in the face by a random guy) -- SFH 00:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Please don't block him anyway, SFH. Anyway, I agree that we should put that information on a lush, green Mustafar in an ambig canon section for the time being. However, being S-canon, I doubt that a gas giant was actually moved using the Force. But as long as it's in a little section, I'm fine with it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:47, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oblivion: Indeed it does say that...I forget whether it's in Lost Treasure or Sickness of the Storm Lord, but it definitely says it in one of the sources.
 * SFH: You can actually block me, I just have the power to unblock myself...I was just saying that I wouldn't do that if it was decided that I was to be blocked then I would accept it. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 00:50, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Now: Can it be agreed on to put this Galaxies info in a separate section? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:53, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm game...how do we do that? -- SFH 00:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree also. -  Angel Blue 451 [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]](Holonet) 00:55, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The isn't for that type of thing, so that's out of the question... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:55, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * We usually keep it in with all the other part of the article, seeing as it's only non-canon information when it's contradicted (at which point it's removed). At least we do with the Corran Horn, Thrawn, and TIE Interceptor articles, among many many others. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 01:04, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, of course. Odd, wouldn't you say? Oh well. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * What I don't completely understand is how a planet could form between two gas giants like that. All the materials would been pulled towards the giants, preventing them from collecting into a spheroid.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 01:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That's pretty much what the Galaxies information was trying to solve...when the planet formed, it was only in the pull of one gas giant...then the Sith came along and, in usual Sith fashion, showed off their power by pulling the other gas giant closer to Mustafar causing the planet to be stuck between the two in the "gravitic tug-of-war". &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 01:14, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It all sounds good to me. There really doesn't seem to be any contradiction.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 01:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Stranger things have happened in the GFFA. -  Angel Blue 451 [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]](Holonet) 01:18, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * People who don't think as gas giant could be moved by the Force would make terrible Jedi. "Size matters not." I fully support Jaymach.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 01:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * And what about putting it into a disambig section, Darth Oblivion and Jaymach? After all, it's only S-canon material; therefore, it could be correct, but it could also end up being contradicted in the future. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:01, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * S-canon means that, until it is contradicted, it is still canon...so until we have something either way, it should really stay in the main article. If it gets contradicted at any point in the future, then it would be moved to the Behind the Scenes section or removed completely...but until then it's still fully canon. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 14:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * So everything in the second lowest level of canon is automatically fully canon? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I have to admit, Jack, that it doesn't seem to be directly and irreconcilably in conflict with the Databank (especially since the databank doesn't tell us exactly how young Mustafar is). Although I would venture to say that only G-canon is "fully canon", since it is irrefutable and cannot be contradicted.  -  Angel Blue 451 [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]](Holonet) 23:45, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, there probably should be a separate section for the time being. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:30, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * As I said before, I fully support that compromise. -  Angel Blue 451 [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]](Holonet) 02:21, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Jestefad and Lefrani
If Mustafar is always influenced by them, would that mean Jestefad and Lefrani orbit around their star at the same rate?--Darth OblivionComlink 02:11, 28 September 2006 (UTC)