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Ree-Yees
Hi JMM. I saw you added Ree-Yees to Star Tours' list of appearances. How do you know it's him? Is there a source for it? Cheers.  Stake black   msg 17:27, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * I forgot to add a source stating it. The source is actually a box set of Star Tours action figures, the same one that includes Kaink the Ewok, who appeared in the ride's safety video. It specifically says that Gran is Ree Yees, and even ID's him as the one from Jabba's palace. Though you may have to consider it non-canon. I'll be sure to add that source. --JMM (talk) 17:36, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Great, thanks! There are a couple of as-of-yet unidentified Star Tours workers that might be identifiable with this toy set. Would you mind having a look when you have the chance? Cheers.  Stake black   msg 17:43, January 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll be working on the Star Tours pages more. --JMM (talk) 17:51, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Star Tours spaceport image.
Hi.

About that image of the spaceport from Star Tours, where can I find it on the web? I'm thinking of doing some research and expanding that article. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:16, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Most of the images I've added to the different articles came from Youtube videos of the ride. There are actually two videos out there that look like they come from the original video source, and weren't just made by riders pointing a camera at the screen. --JMM (talk) 20:20, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Okay. BTW, speaking of image uploads, when are you going to upload any images relating to the fuel trucks, like the one Rex nearly crashed into at the end of the ride? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:21, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Believe it or not I already have an image ready. I just didn't have time to create the article. I'll be doing so soon. --JMM (talk) 20:23, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * My apologies, I kinda beat you to it. Fuel truck. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 20:24, January 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Haha, no problem. That works, too! I'll add a picture soon. --JMM (talk) 21:18, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Original Star Tours era
Just a note that the Battle of Death Star III, and thus the original Star Tours, takes place in the Rebellion era, not the New Republic era. The Rebellion era officially lasts until 5 ABY, and the date of the battle is 4.3 ABY. &mdash;MJ&mdash; Training Room 18:22, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * I seem to remember this coming up before. My basis on placing it there was that the New Republic was actually founded in 4 ABY, and about a month or so before the Star Tours incident. But I guess that may not be the same thing as the "era". --JMM (talk) 18:25, January 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Correct; the New Republic was founded 4 ABY, but despite that, the Rebellion publishing era technically goes to 5 ABY. A bit odd, I know, but that's the way it is, and we have to work with it. &mdash;MJ&mdash; Comlink 18:28, January 11, 2013 (UTC)

Expanding the Incident above Coruscant article.
Hi.

Since you know about Star Tours far better than I do, I have a question regarding the Incident above Coruscant article. Can you expand it for me, and possibly rename it once all the facts are presented? I've watched the (albeit bad quality) video on Youtube regarding it, but I have absolutely no idea as to what's going on in the Coruscant segment. I don't know which sides were which (ie, were the Venators Rebel-owned or Imperial owned, and same question for the CIS-ships. I mean, it's obvious that it couldn't have been Old Republic forces or CIS forces during that battle, as the former had been abolished and reorganized into the Galactic Empire long by the time of the events of the ride, and the CIS was rendered completely defunct not only by Anakin's murder of the Separatist Council, but also by the Reconquest of the Rim by the Empire), or even if the battle was actually real (it also doesn't help that, despite there being a fleet battle overhead, not to mention at least one ship being sent down the atmosphere, the cityscape was acting oddly normal during the ordeal). This lack of knowledge regarding especially the latter is also why I named it "Incident above Coruscant (Galactic Civil War)", as I'm not sure if it's even a real conflict or not. Since you know more about the ride than I do, I thought you'd be in a better position to expand/rename the article to a better name. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 15:43, January 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I can work on those. For some reason we've both got the idea to start expanding the article, so I'm happy doing it. I'll can eventually add some of the other events, too. There is definitely a problem making sense of the timeline and what we see in the ride. Obviously, the creators of the ride just wanted to drop the riders into scenes similar to the movies. I've looked at tons of the the material for the ride, and rode both versions a bunch of times. There's really little or no explanation of what's going on in those scenes. The Naboo and Coruscant events don't make all that much sense with the Trade Federation and CIS forces in them, or at least no one's come up with an explanation yet. Of course, all these scenes are in alternate versions of the ride. --JMM (talk) 15:59, January 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, although at least with Naboo, the N-1 starfighters were implied to be Rebel-owned. We literally have nothing with the Coruscant battle, and it's even stranger that despite their being a battle above Coruscant, the cityscape is acting like there isn't a battle and was just an ordinary day (or night, in this case). I mean, it might be a re-enactment of the Battle of Coruscant, similar to how in real life there are Civil War re-enactments of various battles, though that still doesn't explain why buzz droids attack the StarSpeeder 1000 at one point, either.
 * I also took care of the Geonosis scenario, as well. I'm not sure whether to create an article for the Kashyyyk scenario, though, as well as whether to create a new Boonta Eve Classic article relating to the Tatooine scenario. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:28, January 12, 2013 (UTC)

Chewbacca Star Tours source.
Hi.

You mentioned earlier that Chewbacca was the Wookiee who was sent flying onto the Star Tours 1000 shuttle in The Adventures Continue. Can you supply me with the source stating this? I haven't found anything regarding that in my own searches. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:57, April 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't think it literally says anywhere that that specific character is Chewbacca, but it looks like him and sounds like him, and multiple Disney sources mention Chewbacca as one of the characters appearing in the ride. This site and this site list him as one of the characters. Since it's fairly obvious their intent is that the most prominent Wookiee you see is Chewbacca, I think that's definitive enough. --JMM (talk) 14:16, April 11, 2013 (UTC)

IM-series droids.
Hi.

I need to know whether the IM-series droid appeared in the series before (under that name or anywhere else)? THe DSS article indicated that the droids featured were already stated to have been made by other companies, yet trying to search for that droid proved virtually impossible. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:08, May 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Looking back, I think I spoke too soon. I think I was thinking of another droid, thinking that was an already existing one. I know that the G2 "Goose Droid" is made by SoroSuub Corporation, so I know that kind of can't be made by DSS. But I suppose the IMs can be a DSS design, but the G2 can't. --JMM (talk) 15:15, May 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Was that droid you were thinking of by any chance the Dark Eye droids used by Darth Maul? They do look similar, Mickey Mouse ear-esque sensor mounts nonwithstanding? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 15:17, May 2, 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes, thank you! That's the one. So it should definitely be considered a separate droid, though it has a similar design. --JMM (talk) 15:33, May 2, 2013 (UTC)

F-series edit
Wasn't sure if it was fan made or actual info from the "Spot that Droid" poster, especially seeing that they worded the source in such a way that made it seem as though all the article contents did come from that poster. I kinda wish they made it a bit more specific, though. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:56, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi JMM, is there any evidence of this "Spot the Droid" poster? It seems that a lot of info is being added based on a poster that is not even hosted on the fan site endorexpress.net. How do we know it's legit? Rokkur Shen (talk) 05:40, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Good point. We should ask z-sword for confirmation about whether the poster existed, especially seeing how he's Japanese. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 10:53, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * The original version of EndorExpress.net, back when it was called SWStarTours.net did actually do a better job of specifying what was their own original material. Most of it said something like, "from the imagination of Alex Newborn." I've talked to Alex -- a contributor to that site back then -- directly and asked him about it and he confirmed that second paragraph of the Space Cap Droid profile was his, and some other items, too. I haven't seen that poster, but it seems like an awful lot of (weird) back story to make up. I will try and track down an image of the poster. --JMM (talk) 13:20, May 7, 2013 (UTC)


 * Here is a tiny section of that poster, sort of hidden away on Endorexpress, and I'm working on possibly finding more: R2-D7 and IDA. --JMM (talk) 17:46, May 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Here we are! This very discussion and my talking with Alex Newborn has led to this EndorExpress article showing not only the original poster, but the site's translations! --JMM (talk) 01:10, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Good work, JMM! Now we can actually cite the poster for everyone to see. Also give my thanks to Alex Newborn as well. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 02:57, May 8, 2013 (UTC)


 * I've also noticed that some of the articles here don't 100% match with those translations, so some edits may be needed. Two droid "employees" don't seem to work for Star Tours at all, for example. --JMM (talk) 13:07, May 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying, however I'd be wary about adding the info to the Wook until we have someone verify it from our end considering the revelation that they do add their own fanon over at endorexpress. Maybe anything that is added from their site should have an "original research" template added to the relevant pages just so that users are aware to take it with a grain of salt. Or it may be worth bringing up on the senate board to see what the general consensus is. Rokkur Shen (talk) 12:00, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * You could always ask z-sword for verification on that source: He's Japanese, knows the language, and last I checked and far as I know is not an affiliate of EndorExpress other than a visitor to the site. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:06, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think for the most part, the fanon stuff from the Endorexpress pages has been removed from Wookieepedia. But in my opinion, I'd say the information in that article translating the poster is fine to use, but the Database elsewhere on their site should be ignored. I already went through the article for each of the droids on the poster and rewrote anything that didn't match that translation. I suppose we could also question their translation, but I feel like it's fine to use that info as long as the Behind the Scenes section explains the source. --JMM (talk) 12:22, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Speaking of Database info, should we also mention that one of the droids, DL-X2 was reused from a cop droid prop from Hill Street Blues' third season? I initially added it in earlier, but I got doubts after learning some of the stuff was fan-made. They did post a picture as proof, though. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:48, May 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Looking at the photos they have, I think its pretty obvious that's where that prop came from. Just cite that page as the source. Really, the fanon stuff was included on some of those pages as just something fun to add, and was originally clearly identified. I don't think it has to make us question the entire site. --JMM (talk) 13:16, May 9, 2013 (UTC)

Smoke generator lamp
Hi.

Could you make an image of the smoke generator lamp that was briefly seen in the baggage check queue? I can't do it myself via the ctrl-printscrn method, since its a Youtube video. Here's the link to the closest method to getting there (as I had to incorporate G2-9T's dialogue in there as well): http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=io7HhGJfzRg#t=459s

Sorry if its low quality, but its the best I've got.

Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:08, May 10, 2013 (UTC)


 * I think there was a video with a better view. I'll find that and add an image. --JMM (talk) 13:35, May 14, 2013 (UTC)


 * Thanks for the image. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:54, May 14, 2013 (UTC)

Question about the Praya, Bar-Neth, and Edge of the Galaxy ads.
Hi. Regarding the ads on the Tourscan, are they spoken in English, or are they only given in Japanese? By that, I mean the narration. Obviously the lower screen has stuff in English. If they're in Japanese, I can't watch them even to edit the articles as I'm not good at Japanese. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:33, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * From what I can hear on those videos, they're only in Japanese. I don't speak a word of it either. I've just been going by the English words on the screen and articles created by others based on it. One question for you: What is Unidentified space transport (The Edge of the Galaxy) referring to in that video? The thing the little ship is launched from? --JMM (talk) 15:03, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * It was referring to the one that looks like the Space Shuttle from NASA. I'm thinking of going with mini-shuttle for the little ship. I'll try to have z-sword look into the translations from the video's narration. I'm a bit surprised he acted unfamiliar with that queue ride, though, considering he wrote the Bar-Neth and Praya articles in the first place. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 15:30, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * If you watch that whole video, the lower screens with text on them do mention the planets' names if you look closely. The names also show up on the weather ticker above. --JMM (talk) 15:43, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I noticed that. In fact, I added in some things to the Bar-Neth article based on those (couldn't get all of the Praya and Edge of the Galaxy ones, though, as the person doing the video moved the camera so close to the footage that there was no way to get the second half). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:09, May 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm thinking of calling the NASA space shuttle "unidentified space shuttle" since the term shuttle does exist in the EU. Does that make sense? --JMM (talk) 12:33, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

SWG

 * Just want to say good work cleaning up Star Wars Galaxies. Keep it up! Gal-icon.jpg  OLIOSTER  (talk) 21:23, May 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, I stopped at the page and saw it was pretty messy. Mostly because there's just too much information there. I'll work on it a little more, too. --JMM (talk) 13:06, May 16, 2013 (UTC)

Duron Veertag
Hello JMM, I saw the old message you wrote years back about Duron Veertag's image not obviously being him, with the comic panel never identifying him as Veertag, and making a statement it could have just been Rieekan. As I just recently promoted the article to GA status, would you still believe his identity is unclear? At the time I worked on the article, I only looked at the panels shown here. Did the comic book artists illustrate Rieekan as looking different enough to indeed distinguish the two? Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 03:44, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * I just looked again, and its definitely not obvious. I think it's more likely that it's Rieekan because he looks closer to the comic Rieekan than the other, admittedly distant, character looks. Plus, why have a guy we never met be the one to welcome Luke back? But at the very least, neither character is specifically identified. --JMM (talk) 16:23, May 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you have a scan of Rieekan from that comic to compare? I saw an image of Rieekan from a previous comic in the same Marvel series (shown in Rieekan's article), and, assuming he's drawn looking exactly the same in Golrath Never Forgets, I'd say they look different. In any case I have asked Leland Chee. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 14:10, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's a tough one, considering the Marvel series wasn't always big on actor likenesses. Which is why it's tough to really definitively decide who that guy is. --JMM (talk) 15:18, May 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * If I may intervene, I too think that the picture used on Veertag's article actually depicts Rieekan. Although he doesn't look exactly like he did in other issues, he's still much close to Rieekan than the only other guy that could be him. Just have a look at that picture. We known that the triad is made up of Leia Organa, Rieekan and Veertag. Since Organa is in the middle, Veertag must be either on the left or on the right. However, the closest Rieekan lookalike you can find on this picture is the one on Princess Leia's left, because of his haircut. This is why I now believe that the pic you've been discussing does indeed depict Rieekan and not Veertag. --LelalMekha (talk) 15:31, May 17, 2013 (UTC)

Sourcing images
Please make sure to provide a proper source when uploading images. Merely "Starwars.com" isn't okay; please provide a direct link and preferably use the SW template. I'm referring to this upload. 1358 (Talk)  15:21, May 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. It's fixed. --JMM (talk) 15:25, May 20, 2013 (UTC)

Fixing youtube links.
Hi.

I'm trying to fix some youtube links on the Be a Stormtrooper page (for some reason, when creating the article, the periods/dots were replaced with pound signs), but after adding fixing them, and verifying that adding youtube links is indeed the intention, it either logs me out or, when I made sure I'm kept on the wiki to ensure I'm not logged out, has me stuck in a loop regarding saving the edits. Can you fix the youtube links or else address the problem to the wiki staff about adding the youtube links that currently occurring on the site? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:18, June 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm getting the exact same errors. Maybe some filter was updated and is blocking certain Youtube pages? I added a question about it to the Senate Hall page, here. --JMM (talk) 15:23, June 25, 2013 (UTC)

Star Tours Tokyo
Hi JMM! I noticed you edited the Agamar slider page a while back adding that it is mentioned in the Disneyland Tokyo version of Star Tours: The adventure continues. Do you know anything about the nature of this mention? Is it on a sign or is it mentioned in dialogue or something? Any help would be hugely appreciated! Ayrehead02 (talk) 18:44, June 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll vouch for him. It was mentioned on the queue sign for Spaceport THX1138, specifically on the area that says "Stargazer Grill Restaurant" on Level F relating to the unnamed strut. It can be found here at the 1:29 mark: Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:54, June 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the information that's exactly what I needed for the article. Ayrehead02 (talk) 19:12, June 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * I guess you've got your answer already! :) --JMM (talk) 20:22, June 28, 2013 (UTC)

Snit
Hello JMM, please don't recreate the Droopy McCool page as a redirect to Snit. It was deleted to make way for the "Snit" page to be moved to "Droopy McCool". As the article (and numerous sources) explain, neither are his true name. He was given the name Snit by another but did not care for it and later adopted the name "Droopy McCool". This is the name that he became most known by both IU & OOU and therefore Droopy McCool is the name the page should go by, not Snit. Thank you. Bo Shuda (talk) 00:08, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the confusion. Looking at the articles, I thought the idea was "Snit" was going to be the new page. --JMM (talk) 02:37, September 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * No problemo! I was offline at the time and didn't know it had been left as a broken redirect. I'd assumed whoever deleted the page would have moved the page over. Just wanted to make sure it didn't happen again. Bo Shuda (talk) 10:19, September 8, 2013 (UTC)

Death Star Overbridge layout from the Owner's Technical Manual
Hi.

Can you upload the layout for the Overbridge from the Death Star Owner's Technical Manual? I'd do it myself, but I don't know how to accomplish that (not to mention I can't find any images on the web). Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:44, November 9, 2013 (UTC)


 * I actually don't have the book! :) I got all of the info I added from the various preview pages around the web. And I think I exhausted them all. --JMM (talk) 17:42, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Gemmer
Don't worry about that, my friend. Those edits were quite minor and actually helpful, so I didn't take umbrage. ;-) Truth to be told, I'm not a Rebel pilot expert at all, but God knows why I decided to work on that guy's article&mdash;that will require supplemental reading. --LelalMekha (talk) 16:00, December 2, 2013 (UTC)

Will Scotian
Hello JMM, I saw you updated the Will Scotian article reflecting his ESB appearance. Did you also look through him in the various adaptations and sources depicting that scene? If not, then Tope definitely will. Just seeing if I can get some aid in looking for Nala Hetsime. I looked through all of Kesin Ommis's stuff and just added them to Nala Hetsime's sources and appearances, based on them being right next to each other. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 16:11, December 2, 2013 (UTC)