Talk:Darth Krayt

Hypocrisy
Krayt's personality section is lacking, so maybe this would be a good addition to it? Should Hett be considered a hypocrite for wanting to dismantle the Empire after Order 66, yet eventually being a major factor in the Empire's return to prominence in the Galaxy?Darth Hyd 16:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * yes and no. He hated the old empire, that's for sure. He wanted to destroy it with his rising Tusken Raider army. He was stoped by Obi-wan. After that, and finding out what was on that farm, he might have changed his mind. He might have foolishly thought that he could rule an empire better than palpatine ever had.  But, without  a specific line saying why he switched positions on how he saw an empire, we'll never now.JR 01:33, 21 October 2007 (UTC)StarNinja99

Eras
What the heck? I know that Krayt was probably frozen for a period of time or something like that, but even though we don't have any sources for Krayt in all eras, shouldn't his "era" section say that he was in Rise of the Empire, Rebellion, New Republic, New Jedi Order, and Legacy Era and not just the three in the article? Even if he was frozen, his body was still in those eras, alive. All I'm saying is that we should say that he was in all of the above mentioned eras (and more if I missed one in between the rebellion and new republic.) because he was ALIVe in all of them even if he wasn't in any sourced material during that time. Make sense? It was just bugging me and I want to change it, but not without permission first. Any comments? Troy 16:39, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Policy dictates that eras are only for when a character appeared in a storyline. -- [[Image:AckbarSig.jpg|40px]] dmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 16:44, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I hope that this policy will be changed soon. We're an encyclopedia; we should put in all those extra eras regardless of whether or not they appeared in them. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:11, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Something bigger in Legacy
I'm new. Did it say somewhere that not only in LotF, but also in Legacy that a well known character would appear in Claws of the Dragon? I heard someone say something like that? Vergere, Jacen, Obi-Wan's Spirit, etc.
 * I believe they were referring to A'Sharad Hett.  Jasca Ducato Sith Council 06:40, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

Merge?
I belive that the A'Sharad Hett and the Darth Krayt articles sould be merged into one complete article! -- Awar 04:37, 12 September 2007 (UTC).
 * I don't know what you've been reading... They already have been... Livingston  [[Image:Jedi Order2.jpg|25px]] ( The Force will be with you. Always. ) 04:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Posting Darth Krayt's Picture on the A'Sharad Hett Page
The posting of Darth Drayt's picture at the very top of the A'Sharad Hett page was a terrible spoiler. Yes, wookipedia posted the spoiler alert, but beneath the spoiler alert was an unmistakenly large picture of Krayt and A'Sharad Hett's page was redirected to the large titled page "Darth Krayt." Why does wookieepedia seek to spoil the fun of reading what is obviously a good and surprising storyline among some typically predictable storylines? Why would you redirect A'Sharad Hett's page to this one? The spoiler is in the redirection itself, not in the reading of the biography. I went on wookieepedia just to read a bit about A'Sharad, not knowing his future. When material like Star Wars: Legacy is so new, you need to do a much better job of not spoiling it for the fans. Thanks for ruining my read and insuring that I don't buy that storyline now!
 * We kept the A'Sharad Hett and Darth Krayt articles separate for about two months after the revelation was made, so as not to spoil anything. It's not our fault that you came and read the article after the spoiler period ended. And sign your comments!  Jasca Ducato Sith Council 19:50, 20 September 2007 (UTC)
 * If you don't want to be spoiled, then don't go on Wookieepedia. We can't postpone improving articles because you haven't read the comic. The whole wiki is spoiler.-- [[Image:AckbarSig.jpg|40px]] dmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 19:59, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Info Box Image
I personally feel that this image:



should remain the info box pic, because this:



reveals the visual identity of the character and hurts the "Revealed" section as a whole. It is also redundant to have two of the same images on the same page. The first image was perfect and I believed enhanced the article, where as the other pic, detracts from the article. It makes me not want to read the rest of the article because I see who Krayt is and what he looks like unmasked right from the get go. Sort of ruins the read IMO. Darth Byss 18:31, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Considering previous discussions, the current mass preference are the actual face. See Jango Fett and the ex-A'Sharad Hett page. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 18:34, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Is it truly, because when readin the article, the reveal section loses it's dramatic power. Frankly, I think we are mistaken to alter it the way it has been altered. Tell me, why do you feel it should be the way you altered it to be? Darth Byss 18:58, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Loses its dramatic power!? You're joking, right? Darth Krayt, born A'Sharad Hett... is a bit of a giveaway. I say keep one that actually shows his face. --  AdmirableAckbar  [Talk] 19:07, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with Darth. We know from the get go that the two are the same, but we don't know exactly what he looks like unmasked in the future (minus those who have read the comics of course). So I do agree that it most definitely kills any dramatic effect from the revealed section of the article. However, if that is the current preference, oh well... Livingston  [[Image:Jedi Order2.jpg|25px]] ( The Force will be with you. Always. ) 00:12, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * He really doesn't look all that different. The eyes and some exposed veins but that's a given with other Krayt images and anyone who knows anything about the dark sides effect...and dramatic effect? C'mon. That's like saying we should move the part where Vader reveals he is Luke's father up BEFORE the ROTS crap. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 01:12, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * No it isn't. This is about Darth Krayt, and the old pic made the article seem more official. It would also be more likely used in the databank if and when they put Darth Krayt's article up. Now honestly, the pic that shows his face is better suited under the Revealed section. The article looks awkward without the image there, plus the first pic communicates power and might, two things a Sith would want to emphasize. It now looks more like a year book pic, or a brief bio, whereas that is not what wookie is. Darth Byss 03:13, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Wrongo! This shows his face unobscured, which is the general tendency, and we're not in the business of projecting "suspense". Also, we're not in the business of trying to be like the Databank. Thefourdotelipsis 03:18, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * That basically sums it up. We're an encyclopedia. Not a play. Not a movie. Not a suspense thriller. An freakin encyclopedia. The bare facts. Honestly. I'm not even sure why we're giving a guy who is violating the signature policy the benefit of an discussion... -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 03:40, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * We go unmasked. Whether it "spoils the surprise" is irrelevant. This is an encyclopedia. You won't see Britannica hiding Hitler's death date because it "spoils the surprise for the ending of World War II" now, do you? QuentinGeorge 06:06, 9 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm just saying that even in an encyclopedia, you would have a masked image, take Batman for example. Any and every other source will have the masked image of Krayt, regardless of the preference, and it seems to come down to personal preference, because no good arguements have been presented from either side. The article did look better the other way IMO, and we should possibly consider making it policy that if someone wants to change an infobox image, that it must be discussed and voted on. That way we can avoid edit wars and what not.DarthMalus 15:44, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * At this point it isn't being based on "personal" preference, it is being based on Wookiepedia preference. The current trend is to show a character unmasked if a shot is available. Thus any argument here isn't going to change that as it effects other articles. A senate discussion would be needed in order to change it, and it would have to apply to the other articles as well. And obviously from the short argument here, there wouldn't be much support for the masked. Suspense issues besides, I personally think the main profile pic should display a character in the latest form they used for the longest period of time. Basically what people generally think of when they think of that character. As such Jango would be masked, as would Darth Vadar, even if the article is called Anakin, and even if he briefly switched back to the lightside at the end of his life. And if the have a pic where they are unmasked then it should be displayed somewhere else in the article. However, I don't make policy or establish trends. So since most people want it this way, this is simply how it's going to be until a majority change their minds. Livingston  [[Image:Jedi Order2.jpg|25px]] ( The Force will be with you. Always. ) 03:22, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd like to point out that there are many other "silent voters" out there than you might expect. If this should come to the Consensus Track there'd been more support for a "masked" standard than you might think.  But why go that far? Throw up a vote like we all did over a Darth Nihilus. If the unmasked supporters really have a majority, so be it, they win. Likewise, we'll get a ballpark for how much support a CT vote might get. No need to make a policy change. Let's try a little democracy, shall we? Din&#39;s Fire 997 02:42, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

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That about sums it up. Get over it.  Victor  ( talk ) 01:28, 20 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Well it'll go back anyway. The current image is a close up of his neck and head, like a police report. Could we zoom a little out. Though I can say that the masked image would be a better representative and more encyclodian in presentation. Look into printed encyclopedia's and in each case, a super hero is presented in constume with mask, if they have one, on. If we are not going to compromise, and from the tone's it seems some people need to take sometime off from this site if it is so frustrating to have a civil discussion on a matter that is of inportance to the look of the site. I say, due to precedence in REAL encyclopedia's, that it should have remained Masked, as that is the proper style of an encyclopedia. DarthMalus 21:02, 30 October 2007 (UTC)


 * How about this as the new profile image?



DarthMalus 02:59, 14 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Now this is a compromise I like. It's the best of both. You got my vote. Din&#39;s Fire 997 03:07, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Its off-centered and looks horrible in the infobox. Why do you think I had the image cropped in the first place? It's a good thing we have users with taste and common sense here...-- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 03:33, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Per Red on this one. If we can't use this picture, then the current, cropped and centered picture, is the best one to date and should stay as the infobox picture. Greyman ( Paratus ) 03:38, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Well then, Redemption, by that logic, it should have never been changed as the masked image is higher quality and it is centered, and looked great in the info box, but I do thankyou for taking the time to reply to my inquiry. If I gain the support needed, then it'll be changed regardless, but I think it looked fine in the info box. Now what is troubling in the tone of your responses...they are, or could be interpreted, as venomous and spiteful. It communicates "it's my way or my way!" type attitude. That is not good for any member to do. It is disrespectful and will cause edit wars, fights, etc...so if you would, chill out. It's not THAT big a deal and the use of ad hominem, Converse Fallacy of Accident, and Appealing to Authority; invalidate your arguement anyway, but an attempt for compromise and diplomacy must never be the target of another's deconstructive criticism. Let that be the end of that conversation. Anyone else have an oppinion on the infobox image? DarthMalus 12:39, 14 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I say either the most recent image or what they usually appeared in should be in the infobox, and that it can only be decided on a case-to-case basis. It seems clear to me that the Anakin Skywalker article should have a pic of Darth Vader in the infobox, while, even though I'm sure most fans think of Leia in her slave bikini, she should either be in her princess outfit from A New Hope or her most recent get-up. On this one I say to go with the unmasked face, since it shows who he actually was. And like people said before this is an encyclopedia, while to be like the Databank, truth be told, we would pretty much have to give a really brief description and then starting advertising stuff. -- Zelda Death 03:22, 30 November 2007 (UTC)

Obi-Wan vs. Darth Krayt
Can we put some images of Obi-Wan vs. Ashard Hett pictures on the section?--The K.O. King 01:33, 21 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I would like them too, they're pretty cool. If I ever get the chance, I'll scan the images from Legacy 16 and put one of Obi vs. A'Sharad. Though, doesn't seem likely at the moment, my scanner is a mess.  Victor  ( talk ) 21:31, 23 October 2007 (UTC)

Cyborg
Could you please put in the category "Cyborgs" for Krayt? After all, he lost his right arm and left eye. - Will Karner 11:26 A.M., 19 November 2007

Master XoXaan
So, the article lists Lord XoXaan as Krayt's Sith Master. Now, was he trained by her spirit that lingered on Korriban until A'Sharad stumbled across it, or was he trained by her holocron? If her holocron, then she shouldn't be listed as his Sith Master. I would consider this correct, but we've had this type of discussion already over on Darth Bane's article.--Master Dakari 21:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Captured by Yuuzhan Vong
Can we mention about Krayt's capture by the Yuuzhan Vong in issue #18? This is the absolute proof of what White Eyes was talking about. It looks like we're getting closer and closer to unraveling the mystery. - Will Karner 6:34 P.M., 5 December 2007

Perhaps I'm not being more specific. White Eyes said that his leader was captured by Yuuzhan Vong in Inferno. So it's revealed that Krayt crashed into a ship of the Yuuzhan Vong Empire and did you see get a look at the little guys attach to his body? Were they Yuuzhan crabs or thud bugs? They look red in this version. It's more likely the crabs because those are what create Vong crab armor.

C'mon, dudes! Can't you at least PLEASE put this in? This is from a VIP (Very Important Preview). - Will Karner 10:30 P.M., 5 December 2007
 * Until proven, it stays out. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 02:26, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Could you just take a look the preview already!?!? It's bad enough that I forgot to mention that Krayt was put on the Embrace of Pain by XoXaan. This was so he could stop pretending to be a Sith and become one. So I suggest that since this article is protected, you had better read the preview (or if you have read it already) and put in this new info! Immediately! Vamoose! Plur vite! etc! - Will Karner 11:16 P.M., 6 November 2007