Wookieepedia talk:Community Portal/Archive11

Registration Requirement
Moved to consensus track. - Sikon [ Talk ] 05:35, 28 February 2006 (UTC)

About parodies...
Would it be too far out of line to include some of the, erm, X-rated parodies out there? Honest question. Thanos6 03:43, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Not speaking on behalf of the wiki, but personally I would accept it if the article was not graphic and vulgar far beyond what we've had already. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:49, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Right, I'd keep the text and descriptions fairly "clinical," and obviously no pictures, but would links to the actual material (with warnings) be allowed? Thanos6 04:06, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Just what is this anyway? -- Riffsyphon1024 07:16, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * If you're talking Star Wars hentai, then absolutely not. --MarcK [talk] 05:31, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Image file names
Is it possible to change image file names? -- Doo Doo 07:50, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * No way that I know of. It'd just have to be a copy, re-upload, and add the old one to WP:IFD.  WhiteBoy 08:23, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

New Weapon Template
Could someone make a template for weapons please? For example it would say:
 * Manufacturer
 * Model
 * Size
 * Capacity
 * Faction

Or something similar. Just a thought. -- Doo Doo 09:06, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Here's one - Template:Weapon, - You can change the colors and everything if you want. I was just thinking red (blood) since weapons are violent. *edited so that it would stay in this talk section* --Xwing328 22:23, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

I applied the template to DC-15 blaster and DC-15s side arm blaster. I think model should be removed since its rather redundant with the name. Any comments? --Xwing328 02:56, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Email validation
Just an FYI for everyone who has been around more than a month... when Wikicites was upgraded to the newer version of MediaWiki, the new version apprently has a new requirement to authenticate your email address. So, please go into your Preferences page and authenticate your email address. That way other Wookieepedians can email you. :) Thanks!  WhiteBoy 23:49, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Ok, so I broke it.
Looks like I broke the General Gallery page. by putting to much stuff in it? Can I add a General Gallery 2? --Razzy1319 04:42, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Award Proposals
I made two new awards in the Award Proposals section a few days ago. Seems fairly dead over there so if some people could go over and weigh in on them I'd appreciate it. Perhaps, dare I say, even approve them :) --DannyBoy7783 23:46, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Featured Article
Everyone should go nominate/vote for future featured articles, cuz after tomorrow, we have none in the queue for next week. So unless you want to go a week (or more) without a FA, go forth and vote/nominate! :) StarNeptune 00:54, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Even better, we should get off our behinds and actually write some. ;) --Imp 00:56, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

12 and 13 ABY
These two years need a LOT of cleanup; their year entries duplicate a lot of stuff from one another, and many of the page entries refer to events happening in one year while other entries mention the same events happening in the other year. Thanos6 17:44, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed! I'll append two fixes from when I brought this up bak here. --SparqMan 18:32, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Improvement Drive
This may be a bit preposterous, but for a week, instead of having an article improvement drive, have a book (or comic) improvement drive. This could possibly help clean up hundreds of articles, if we focused all our efforts at once. For this to happen, we would have to agree on some sort of manual of style and decide the series naming issues mentioned in an above post. I started a sample manual of style here—WookieeProject Published works. Any thoughts? --Xwing328 22:02, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I looked at your project page&mdash;under plot summary it says articles should be in the present tense, but according to the Manual of Style aren't all IU articles supposed to be in the past tense? Your idea isn't bad, though you have to consider how many people actually contribute to articles on the improvement drive (not very many). Now subtract those who don't have the comic/book in question, and you may be left with only a handful. RMF 22:17, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * You're right. The tense should be in past for the Plot, but the Publisher's summary is usually in present tense. I don't even know if plot is needed though, since it usually just repeats the summary. A handful of people still might be able to get a lot done...who knows. --Xwing328 22:30, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The tradition in literary criticism is to describe the plot in the present tense, though. This is a summary of a book, too, not a summary of its events.  There is a difference; for example, if a book has a flashback section, or characters only learn about some event that happened earlier later in the book, those events wouldn't be listed chronologically, but rather where they're told in the book.  Since this isn't an in-universe article, I'd say leave the summary in present tense, and leave past tense to the articles that discuss the events themselves in-universe. - Lord Hydronium 22:53, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, book articles are not IU. They're OOU. --SparqMan 06:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * How about we simply work in chronological order? The first comic chronologically is the "Tales of The Jedi: The Golden Age of the Sith" graphic novel/comic book series. I encourage anyone and everyone who has it to go to the talk page and begin to build up the article, as well as other articles that are sourced in that material. After that, we can move on to "Tales of the Jedi: Fall of the Sith Empire" until we reach modern times. I regret to say that I don't have any materials from that timeframe, but if we get a good response I will post consistently on each current talk page, and will work on any materials I do have. Please post any responses to this idea on my talk page as well, where I will introduce this project--Erl 18:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC)


 * We've started the project here - Published Works Improvement Project - if you want to help. --Xwing328 02:48, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Stub template idea
I got an idea for the generic "stub" template, since we use SW stuff for a lot of the other ones. Seems a shame to leave it so bland.

How about "Aren't you a little short for a stormtrooper?" Thanos6 05:52, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll second that. Lonnyd 10:27, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Major wampa revelation
Hey guys, I was planning on writing up an article on the wampa ice cave and I was flipping through Inside the Worlds of Star Wars: The Original Trilogy and I noticed on the battle of hoth fold out page they say Luke and his tauntan were attacked by a male wampa but that Luke was in the cave of a female wampa when he woke up. This means a few things: 1)Wampas have some system of pair bonding establsihed. I doubt the male wampa killed the tauntan and left Luke there only to have a female wampa find it on her own so I propose that the male brought it back to the cave where the female was staying and then he left again. 2)The Luke Skywalker's wampa article needs to be rewritten to take this information into account. I wanted to let everyone know about this because these are changes one could think are fanon but it is sourced and unless I hear any objections I'm going to go ahead with the various changes.--DannyBoy7783 17:37, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I decided to just add the wampa cave article info I've been writing into the wampa article itself. It didn't need its own article I decided.--DannyBoy7783 17:39, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I was rereading the actual wampa article and there are phrases like "Wampas were usually solitary creatures" and "wampas dragged the carcasses back to their icy lair". I'm sure there is sourced info for these statements such as the Essential Guide to Aliens or something like that. This concept of male wampas hunting or defending the female's cave kind of goes against this so before I start changing the wampa info I wanted to get some suggestions on how to fold this new info into the article.--DannyBoy7783 17:44, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * So I went ahead and made the changes. You can check them out here: Luke Skywalker's wampa and Wampa. If anyone cares let me know if this is sufficient/acceptable.--DannyBoy7783 18:52, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should have done this on the talk page for the wampa. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:04, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I could have but I figured this was more appropriate. I originally intended to make a wampa cave article so that would have involved 3 pages. I think discussing it here was fine. Thanks though...--DannyBoy7783 23:48, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Search function
What's the deal with the search function on the left? It seems to have had a strange change made to it. Kuralyov 18:49, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I like it. :) --Imp 18:51, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't. I just did a search for "Battle of Concord Dawn" and it told me that page didn't exist. Kuralyov 22:45, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't like whatever was done either. I'm having a harder time finding articles. One-Arm doesn't show up if you search One Arm. That's pretty dumb...--DannyBoy7783 23:50, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Please see Wikicities:Help:Searching and report any problems to Zwitter who coded this new feature for us. Angela (talk) 07:23, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * There are two functions. Go sends you directly to a page with the URL you typed in, search searches for relevant pages. Unless you are certain of spelling, use Search--Erl 18:37, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Semi-protected pages
I was browsing wikipedia and found this: Semi-protection policy. It denies edits from anon users and new (registered less than 4 days) users on certain (admin-specified) articles. Given some of the recent repetitive vandalism (San Hill comes to mind) this seems like a decent compromise. Thoughts? RMF 03:05, 12 February 2006 (UTC) Sounds good. Mindgiver, 5:36 PM, 12 February 2006
 * Also, I noticed that on San Hill that the page was protected but lacked any sort of explanation. How about placing a template such as this on vandalism-induced protected pages? RMF 03:12, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I explained why I locked it on the protection log, but since the lock is only temporary (i.e. I'm lifting it in a few hours), I saw no need to put the template up. StarNeptune 03:18, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I know why, in fact, I was involved in some of the reverts myself&mdash;but a random reader who wanted to contribute to that article might not. It's not a big deal though, especially if you going to lift it soon. RMF 03:31, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

Check This Out
Hey everyone, i was not quite sure if this was the place to post this message but whatever. I just wanted everyone to check out my user page, and give me some feedback. I spent many a hour working on the fan fiction stuff. I consider my user page my practice run, for editing and helping out with wookiepedia pages. I have been checking out the site for the past few months and i think its awesome. Thanks

http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/User:Dan%27oc_Linsae

So i guess u can post ur comments on this page...
 * Hopefully you can do the same for actual articles now. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:05, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * He's got the Featured Article template on there...should that be allowed? CooperTFN 07:23, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope. --Imp 07:49, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

yeah, that was an accident that i put it on there
 * I'll bet. http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/20.gif CooperTFN 05:07, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

fine u want my explanation, i was having trouble with the character template, the info was not lining up correctly,to fix it i copied and pasted Ulic Qel Droma's character template onto my page, at that time he was the Featured Article of the week, and thats how it happened and i just did not take the few seconds to take it off, end of story

Wiki-bug?
Check out this weirdness: when I try to go to http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/RSS_Integrity, as listed on the category page, it gives me a 404. When I go to http://starwars.wikicities.com/index.php?title=RSS_Integrity, it works. I haven't seen the wiki do this with any other page. I just turned "RSS Integrity" into a redirect and edited the only page that links to it, so it won't show up anywhere to confuse people. &mdash;Darth Culator  (talk)  14:48, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * ....What the crap? We need Angela or somebody to explain this. --MarcK [talk] 05:24, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Weird. I'll get Jason to have a look at this. Angela (talk) 23:52, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * solved. I had redirected URLs with "rss" in them to a specific server to avoid having RSS kill the site. Apparently, I mis-configured it. -- Jasonr 04:18, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Apparently it killed the article, but you saved it. Yay! :P -- Riffsyphon1024 04:48, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Noting the species
I have noticed on character articles that many times, the species of a non-human is almost always specified, yet when the character is human, that fact is rarely specified. I have started editing certain articles to fix this. I think we should specify the species of ALL inhabitants of the GFFA, and not assume human superiority. Adamwankenobi 13:08, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * That's why the Category:Humans was added recently :) -Jaymach Ral'Tir 13:10, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm a stickler for the categorization, and recently had a problem with that. When a character is a human and we know their homeworld (and have a category for its inhabitants), should we say, for example, "Categories:Jabiimi, Humans" or just "Categories:Humans?" Lonnyd 10:35, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

Next Wookieepedia meeting
Just giving everyone a heads-up that the next meeting will be Tuesday, February 28, 2006 @ 8PM EST (-5 GMT). No one else has called one, and I've been pretty busy lately. But I figure it's about time again. :) WhiteBoy 23:01, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

Copyright reminder
I want to remind everyone that we need to respect the work of others, and that it's not OK to just copy and paste articles from the CUSWE or the Databank or wherever. Wikipedia is an exception because it is under the GFDL; so it's OK to copy and paste articles from there as long as you also copy and paste the history page. I've received a complaint from our friends over at TFN about the amount of copying that's been going on. He was actually very cool about it, and I think his main complaint was that his articles were not referenced. Some of the articles he mentioned were obvious direct copy+paste jobs, which is not acceptable. Additionally, I would say that if you use the TFN article as a basis/outline for your article, at least list it in the "External links" section.

So here's a call for help. We need to try to make some head-way on getting our Copyright problems page cleaned up. It's getting rather long, and it doesn't get much attention. Should we make this an WP:ID? Thanks! WhiteBoy 00:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * After I posted this, I sent a link to the TFN person, and they checked it out. The response was good, and they pretty much agreed with how I stated it.  They don't want mass copy+pasting, but if we use their article as a model/whatever, please link to it in the "External links" section.  WhiteBoy 06:49, 23 February 2006 (UTC)

Problems
I have some problems with the Wikicities search engine here. It does not seem to allow you to create new pages through redlinks. Can someone please sort it out? MyNz 8:51, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Ditto. CooperTFN 21:54, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm...worked for me. I searched for "spoon" and it returns "You searched for spoon" which is a redlink that can be clicked on to create the page.  WhiteBoy 04:55, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it's because we opted to use the old search format, which lists results the original way, but doesn't offer up the redlink. Is there no way to have both? CooperTFN 05:02, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I remember that is something they had to turn on when we first set it up. So maybe when they switched searches, it reverted back.  How/where did you "opt to use the old search format"?  I looked in Preferences, but didn't notice it.  Did I overlook it?  WhiteBoy 05:10, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, found it. It's not under user preferences, but the "preferences" link on the search page.  I'll ask.  WhiteBoy 05:12, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Cool. CooperTFN 05:16, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, should work now. WhiteBoy 05:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Last names and categorizing
If a character has a hyphenated surname (is that the correct way to say it, btw?), like Leia Organa Solo or Tyria Sarkin Tainer, how are they categorized? By the "first" last name or by the "last" last name? I've seen it done both ways and would like to know if we have a policy on this. --Tinwe 19:08, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like right now Leia is categorized as "Organa Solo, Leia" and Tyria is categorized as "Tainer, Tyria Sarkin." I tend to agree with the way Tyria is done.  Especially because they're not really hyphenated names. WhiteBoy 00:26, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Clarified this on the WP:LG. WhiteBoy 00:34, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * In the NEGTC, Leia is listed as Solo, Leia Organa and Mara is listed as Skywalker, Mara Jade, so I took my cue from that. StarNeptune 06:00, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the answers! --Tinwe 13:05, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

New species question
I was at a convention over the weekend, and Tim Zahn was in a RPG. In the game he had Thrawn disguised as a new alien species, but instead of saying he made it up just for the game, Zahn described it as a race that "you haven't seen yet." Since that seems to imply that it's going to be in an upcoming book, probably Allegiance, my question is: should I add it here, under an ambiguously-canon tag of course? Kuralyov 18:22, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It doesn't really fit the tag, as it's not even in a published unlicensed source. I'd say slapping a  tag on it just now and explaining in a "Behind the scenes" section would be the way to go, at least until it's published. -Jaymach Ral'Tir 18:32, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Category for Fanfiction Users
It seems to me that there is alot of fanfiction on user pages, completely noncanon on the wiki, however it dawned on me that maybe we can better connect those with these fanfic bios together via a new category, perhaps a Category:Users with fanfiction, so that their experience here might be better, though I wouldn't want it to get out of control. Thoughts? -- Riffsyphon1024 22:55, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * That sounds good to me. Would it be restricted to just users with fanfic bios, though? Kuralyov 23:05, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * That's sorta where I'd like them to be, as full stories (or novels as some do) are not really what we'd like to have here, though if it exists already, I can't get the person to remove it and I'll leave it at that. I'd like to note that fanfiction in any form should be kept at a low level, and wasteful use of images should be at a minimum. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:08, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I have created a fanfic bio and the idea sounds fine to me though it isn't the end of the world if it gets shot down (to me anyway).--DannyBoy7783 23:32, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Any other comments? - Riffsyphon1024 23:36, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I created a short Fanfic bio but no images. Can I still keep it? Star Wars Guy 02:28, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * There's definitely a difference between a user who makes contributions to articles while maintaining a short bio on his or her user page (even I do this) and the users who are apparently here solely to write fanfic on userpages. I'm considering making a note on  What Wookieepedia is not about that...&mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:36, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * When I was working on the (ultimately cancelled) TFN Webstrips project, I briefly considered making articles for a couple of the prospective characters on subsections of my user page. I think a category would be helpful in keeping track of this type of thing, but do we want to encourage people further? CooperTFN 02:39, 25 February 2006 (UTC)
 * That is the problem I encountered. Creating it would promote more, though the existence of it would better group those fanfiction fans together. It's categorization in moderation. -- Riffsyphon1024 17:24, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Template question
I'm a little confused about the templates such as character infoboxes. I can go to the template page and see the long code used to make the template but that isn't the same as the text used on an actual character page when you hit edit. So I'm wondering how do I go from a template page such as Template:Planet to a useable bit of text I can fill in the blanks for (such as what you'd find if you hit edit for Obi-Wan Kenobi at the top). --DannyBoy7783 03:20, 22 February 2006 (UTC) {{Planet| image= The ancient Rhen Var Harbor, one of the sites of the Battle of Rhen Var| name=Rhen Var| distance=Unknown| region=Outer Rim Territories| sector=Tion Cluster| system=Tobali system| suns=1| moons=1| And so on. Remember, if you want a field to be omitted from the infobox, leave the value blank, but do not omit the identifier in the actual code. Doing so messes up the formatting. I threw together a basic help page for character infoboxes here, but it still needs some work. Hope I answered your question. RMF 04:38, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * When you look at the infobox on the actual template page (we'll use planet for an example), you see a field title (such as "Native species") and a corresponding identifier (in this case, it's just "species"). When you use the template on a page, you insert the identifiers followed by an equals sign and their respective values. This makes it easier to use rather than typing out the entire name every time. Example:
 * On a related note, is there a way to get around the automatic colors? I'd like to add the new boxes to a couple articles, but sometimes the standard color clashes strongly with the image(s). CooperTFN 05:55, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I could add a new parameter for color, but it would require inserting a blank color parameter on all pages that use infobox templates. - Sikon [ Talk ] 14:27, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * No, then? http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/9.gif CooperTFN 22:52, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I follow you now RMF, thanks.--DannyBoy7783 18:03, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

DCAU Wiki
There aren't any rules about cross-promotion that I'm aware of, so I wanted to take a second and direct people to another Wikicity, this one based on the DCAU - in other words, the shared continuity between the DC Comics animated series Batman, Batman Beyond, Superman, and Justice League, among others. This universe has been growing steadily for almost a decade and a half, and it's been a large part of my life since I was ten years old (to put it in perspective, that's five years before I saw Star Wars for the first time http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/3.gif). The wiki's been there since May, but 90% of the work is still being done by the guy who founded it. While it's quite extensive for an animated series continuity, a DCAU encyclopedia would be a far easier task than the one we're doing here; if anyone out there is a fan of the shows, I highly recommend going over and giving the guy a hand. I know I am. CooperTFN 05:55, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Updating Infoboxes

 * In the recent days, I have updated the infoboxes for a number of characters, planets, etc. and I see that there are many many more that need to be done. Mostly only the infoboxes for the main characters, planets, and such have been updated and I think a note should be included either on the main page or the request page asking everyone to help. DarthMaul431 02:19, 23 February 2006 (UTC)