Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Log/2007 March 31

apr 01 01:06:29 	Alright First up: Mitth'raw'nuruodo. apr 01 01:06:32 	Are we logging? apr 01 01:06:50 	Remove. apr 01 01:06:52 	PO-frakking-V ("a brilliant military strategist and an excellent tactician"). More POV and fanwankery in Characteristics section. Sourcing. Imbalanced detail; a lot more on middle of career than the actual Thrawn Trilogy. apr 01 01:07:00 	TIE Fighter content incomplete. apr 01 01:07:03 	Xwing most likely is. apr 01 01:07:03 	Very incomplete. apr 01 01:07:06 	I am logging. apr 01 01:07:22 	POV, sourcing. apr 01 01:07:31 	Absolutely needs sourcing. Expand intro. apr 01 01:08:02 	Alright vote time: apr 01 01:08:08 	Remove. apr 01 01:08:16 	Remove apr 01 01:08:18 	Ataru votes Remove apr 01 01:08:23 	Remove apr 01 01:08:25 	Remove apr 01 01:08:33 <Imperialles>	Xwing says remove apr 01 01:08:36 <LordHydronium>	And Ataru's objections, for the record: Detail (Rule 9), Referencing (Rule 11), Sectioning would be needed if the article was actually long enough. There could be much more written here. apr 01 01:08:54 <Cull_Tremayne>	Havac? apr 01 01:08:59 <LordHydronium>	X-wing's, too: Detail (Rule 9), Referencing (Rule 11), 1 redlink in ambig. canon section apr 01 01:09:07 <Havac>	Remove apr 01 01:09:18 <Cull_Tremayne>	Next up: Kreia apr 01 01:09:20 <LordHydronium>	 Sourcing. Flowery prose ("A woman who felt the bitter sting of betrayal", "The august boy whom she had taught, the brave knight who defended the weak when his fellows would not, and the fragments of the dark yet noble figure in history were all one man"). POV ("Kreia was an ardent observer, a patient scholar and a wise master."). apr 01 01:09:34 <The4dotelipsis>	POV apr 01 01:09:36 <LordHydronium>	I've got my list o' objections, ready to copy and paste. apr 01 01:09:36 <The4dotelipsis>	OR. apr 01 01:09:38 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. apr 01 01:09:39 <Imperialles>	Flowery prose, POV, OR apr 01 01:09:41 <Cull_Tremayne>	"The august boy"? apr 01 01:09:44 <Havac>	POV, speculation, general badness. apr 01 01:09:50 <LordHydronium>	Ataru sez: Intro has some POV in it "master schemer" (Rule 2), Present tense in early life para and 1st bio para (Rule 4), POV in fall to dark side para "dark yet noble" (Rule 2), Referencing (Rule 11), Sectioning (Rule 4), POV in P&T (Rule 2)- i.e. "witch". apr 01 01:09:58 <Cull_Tremayne>	Needs sourcing, way too much fanwanking inserted in random areas. apr 01 01:10:03 <LordHydronium>	Xwing sez: POV (Rule 2), Referencing (Rule 11) apr 01 01:10:25 <Cull_Tremayne>	Any more comments? apr 01 01:10:32 <Imperialles>	Nay. apr 01 01:10:32 <Havac>	Remove apr 01 01:10:32 <Cull_Tremayne>	Vote time: apr 01 01:10:33 <LordHydronium>	Remove. apr 01 01:10:35 <Imperialles>	Remove. apr 01 01:10:38 <Havac>	How's that for a comment? apr 01 01:10:39 <Cull_Tremayne>	Remove apr 01 01:10:52 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ataru and Xwing both say Remove apr 01 01:11:00 <Imperialles>	It is dead. apr 01 01:11:09 <Cull_Tremayne>	4dot? apr 01 01:11:16 <Cull_Tremayne>	We need your vote. apr 01 01:11:26 <Havac>	Thefourdotelipsis apr 01 01:11:29 <Havac>	Paging you. apr 01 01:11:37 <Havac>	the4dotelipsis apr 01 01:11:37 *	You've invited LucidFox to #wookieepedia-inquisitorius (zelazny.freenode.net) apr 01 01:12:00 *	LucidFox (n=LucidFox@wikia/Sikon) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius apr 01 01:12:14 *	LordHydronium gives a holla at Culator|Hereish, The4dotelipsis apr 01 01:12:24 <Imperialles>	4dot says Remove. apr 01 01:12:42 <Cull_Tremayne>	Since Imp is channeling 4dot's spirit, Next up: Tenel Ka apr 01 01:12:44 <LordHydronium>	 Sourcing. Sectioning in "Jedi student". Needs better intro. P/T section. apr 01 01:12:52 <Imperialles>	Sourcing. Image cleanup. Lacks at least one arm. apr 01 01:12:56 <LordHydronium>	Ataru: Not really an objection persay, but intro needs not be so 2CI heavy, not to mention that it's kind of misleading if you've actually read Exile. Sectioning (Rule 4), Referencing (Rule 11). apr 01 01:12:59 <LordHydronium>	Xwing: Referencing (Rule 11), Quotes are not sourced (Rule 12), years in sectioning need to be worked out correctly, has citation tag (Rule 6) apr 01 01:13:06 <The4dotelipsis>	Yes, I say remove. apr 01 01:13:14 <Cull_Tremayne>	Sourcing, short NJO section. apr 01 01:13:16 <Havac>	P&T, sectioning. apr 01 01:13:41 <The4dotelipsis>	No gratuitous nudity. apr 01 01:13:49 <Cull_Tremayne>	Vote time. apr 01 01:13:54 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ataru says Remove apr 01 01:13:54 <Imperialles>	Amputee nudity? Eww apr 01 01:13:56 <Cull_Tremayne>	Xwing says Remove apr 01 01:13:57 <Imperialles>	Remove. apr 01 01:13:59 <Havac>	Remove apr 01 01:14:03 <Cull_Tremayne>	Remove apr 01 01:14:04 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. apr 01 01:14:10 <LordHydronium>	Remove apr 01 01:14:18 <Cull_Tremayne>	Next: Adalric Cessius Brandl apr 01 01:14:19 <Havac>	I'm smelling another hidden coment coming up. :P apr 01 01:14:23 <The4dotelipsis>	Keeo apr 01 01:14:28 <The4dotelipsis>	Keep, sorry. apr 01 01:14:30 <LordHydronium>	P/T needs to be cleaned up a bit, but it just got put there. Not sure I like the cut content appearing in the intro and main body. apr 01 01:14:30 <Havac>	Keep. apr 01 01:14:32 <The4dotelipsis>	Sourcing is the only issue. apr 01 01:14:34 <LordHydronium>	Keep, nonetheless. apr 01 01:14:40 <Cull_Tremayne>	Source P&T apr 01 01:14:44 <The4dotelipsis>	Plus, he'll rape us if we don't keep. apr 01 01:14:44 <LordHydronium>	Except for the P/T, it's sourced. apr 01 01:14:53 <Havac>	Cut content should be cut from intro. apr 01 01:15:25 <Havac>	irc://freenode/wookieepedia-inquisitorius apr 01 01:15:25 <Havac>	#wookieepedia-inquisitorius apr 01 01:15:25 <Havac>	What the hell? apr 01 01:15:25 <Havac>	Ignore whatever I just did. apr 01 01:15:28 <Xwing328>	Ah, you've begun apr 01 01:15:36 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright then: Vote apr 01 01:15:39 *	Imperialles gives voice to LucidFox apr 01 01:15:43 <The4dotelipsis>	Bahlete apr 01 01:15:51 <The4dotelipsis>	I mean, Keep. apr 01 01:15:51 <Imperialles>	Remove apr 01 01:15:58 <LordHydronium>	Keep. apr 01 01:16:01 <LordHydronium>	Ataru: Keep - despite POV in "infinitely poor at the exercise"- if canon needs to be quoted. (Rule 2) apr 01 01:16:03 <Xwing328>	I said Keep Baldric apr 01 01:16:19 <Cull_Tremayne>	Imp: You're cruel. :-P apr 01 01:16:46 <Cull_Tremayne>	I am going to rake Lando over the coals if he ever gets up to snuff. apr 01 01:16:48 <Cull_Tremayne>	Keep apr 01 01:16:54 <Havac>	Keep-o-riffic. apr 01 01:16:55 <LordHydronium>	I think he's a keeper. apr 01 01:17:02 <Xwing328>	well that's enough keeps to move to the next apr 01 01:17:03 <Imperialles>	Damn you, Tremayne apr 01 01:17:09 <Imperialles>	Fine, keep apr 01 01:17:27 <Cull_Tremayne>	Next: Daala apr 01 01:17:29 <Imperialles>	Needs to cite its sources. apr 01 01:17:30 <LordHydronium>	Looks like a cheap whore. apr 01 01:17:31 <The4dotelipsis>	ISD GO SMASH! apr 01 01:17:35 <LordHydronium>	I mean, sourcing. P/T section. Seems really short for one of the main villains of two series. apr 01 01:17:38 <Xwing328>	Daala: Keep Referencing (Rule 11). No other major complaints. apr 01 01:17:47 <The4dotelipsis>	No Personality. apr 01 01:17:50 <The4dotelipsis>	Period. apr 01 01:17:50 <LordHydronium>	Ataru: Sourcing. (Rule 11) I also think we could come up with a better lead quote, but that's not an objection either persay. apr 01 01:17:58 <Xwing328>	ah yes, forgot about personality apr 01 01:17:59 <Cull_Tremayne>	Still fairly POV I'd say. apr 01 01:18:02 <Havac>	Source. apr 01 01:18:12 <Havac>	And it has to be expandable at that length. apr 01 01:18:13 <Cull_Tremayne>	Quite short. apr 01 01:18:37 <Imperialles>	BTS needs courcing apr 01 01:18:39 <Imperialles>	sourcing* apr 01 01:19:05 <Cull_Tremayne>	Vote time. apr 01 01:19:07 <LordHydronium>	Remove apr 01 01:19:08 <Imperialles>	Remove. apr 01 01:19:10 <The4dotelipsis>	Smash. apr 01 01:19:11 <LordHydronium>	Ataru says Keep. apr 01 01:19:12 <Havac>	Remove apr 01 01:19:19 <Cull_Tremayne>	Remove I have to say. apr 01 01:19:24 <Havac>	ATARU GO SMASH! apr 01 01:19:25 <Xwing328>	I said keep originally, but forgot about P&T apr 01 01:19:31 <Xwing328>	so remove apr 01 01:19:42 <Cull_Tremayne>	Do we need 7 remove votes? apr 01 01:19:45 <LordHydronium>	We still need one more. apr 01 01:19:48 <LordHydronium>	Culator? apr 01 01:19:50 <Xwing328>	yes, 7 apr 01 01:19:57 <Cull_Tremayne>	*have apr 01 01:20:12 <The4dotelipsis>	I will be a proxy from God. apr 01 01:20:14 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. apr 01 01:20:31 <Imperialles>	The consensus is obviously remove. apr 01 01:20:32 <Xwing328>	I count 6...grr apr 01 01:20:33 <Cull_Tremayne>	We'll have to put it on hold. Hopefully Culator will show up at the end. apr 01 01:20:40 <Imperialles>	Why limit ourselves with such a rule? apr 01 01:20:42 <Cull_Tremayne>	Next article: Battle of nar Shaddaa apr 01 01:20:44 <Imperialles>	Doesn't cite sources. apr 01 01:20:50 <The4dotelipsis>	Keep. apr 01 01:20:51 <LordHydronium>	Sourcing. POV-ish: "In a manner typical of the Empire", "renounced his corrupt ways" apr 01 01:20:52 <Xwing328>	Sources, needs more quotes if available apr 01 01:20:58 <The4dotelipsis>	Citations are the only real issue. apr 01 01:21:08 <Havac>	Source. apr 01 01:21:09 <Imperialles>	Citations is a huge issue apr 01 01:21:23 <Xwing328>	But by itself not enough imo apr 01 01:21:33 <Cull_Tremayne>	Citations, even though not many sources. apr 01 01:21:35 <Imperialles>	Of course it is. apr 01 01:21:38 <Havac>	Could stand to not have Prelude be the biggest section. apr 01 01:21:43 <Cull_Tremayne>	It only really appears in one source. apr 01 01:21:46 *	You've invited Azzt_Rhell to #wookieepedia-inquisitorius (zelazny.freenode.net) apr 01 01:21:53 *	You've invited Gonk to #wookieepedia-inquisitorius (zelazny.freenode.net) apr 01 01:21:54 <Xwing328>	well then it ought to be easy to fix apr 01 01:21:54 *	Gonk (n=chatzill@68-191-156-46.dhcp.dlth.mn.charter.com) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius apr 01 01:21:56 <Cull_Tremayne>	The appearance in Xwing is a minor flashback. apr 01 01:21:58 <The4dotelipsis>	Citations is a massive issue, but it's hugely retroactive. apr 01 01:21:59 *	You've invited SillyDan to #wookieepedia-inquisitorius (zelazny.freenode.net) apr 01 01:22:05 <Xwing328>	ditto apr 01 01:22:09 <Imperialles>	So? apr 01 01:22:13 <Xwing328>	esp. the retro. part apr 01 01:22:16 *	SillyDan (i=user@user-35.gradstudents.utoronto.ca) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius apr 01 01:22:23 <LordHydronium>	Even if we remove, citations should be easy to fix up. apr 01 01:22:24 <The4dotelipsis>	Well, it's just forced on. apr 01 01:22:28 <The4dotelipsis>	It wasn't eased in. apr 01 01:22:35 *	Xwing328 gives voice to SillyDan apr 01 01:22:35 <Imperialles>	So? apr 01 01:22:44 <Imperialles>	It's a FA requirement. apr 01 01:22:45 <The4dotelipsis>	Well...gotta give some leeway. apr 01 01:22:46 <Cull_Tremayne>	Citations should be relatively simple. I'm not sure if it's even a factor, since it will all be cited by one source. apr 01 01:22:50 <Havac>	Citations are a requirement, so effing stick to the requirements. apr 01 01:22:51 <Imperialles>	The article doesn't fulfill it. apr 01 01:23:03 <Xwing328>	ok - well then one of us go source it quickly apr 01 01:23:18 <Cull_Tremayne>	It is a requirement, but I thought citing an article with one source wasn't totally necessary? apr 01 01:23:20 *	StarNeptune (i=no@CPE001095973bce-CM001095173bce.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius apr 01 01:23:30 *	Imperialles gives channel operator status to StarNeptune apr 01 01:23:32 <Cull_Tremayne>	StarNeptune: Quick, vote on Daala apr 01 01:23:33 *	Imperialles gives voice to Gonk apr 01 01:23:38 <Havac>	It's got two sources. apr 01 01:23:44 <Xwing328>	CT - you're right. This has 2 sources and 2 app. apr 01 01:23:45 <Cull_Tremayne>	Xwing is just a flashback. apr 01 01:23:49 <StarNeptune>	Keep apr 01 01:23:54 <Imperialles>	Damnit apr 01 01:23:56 <Xwing328>	ugh... apr 01 01:24:01 <Havac>	No, no, wrong vote. apr 01 01:24:02 <Cull_Tremayne>	Daala is kept? Wow. :-P apr 01 01:24:04 <LordHydronium>	It has no sources or P/T. apr 01 01:24:28 <Havac>	It's crap. apr 01 01:24:50 <Imperialles>	Awful! apr 01 01:24:58 <LordHydronium>	Honestly, I think just that should be enough to give a remove, even if the rest were perfect. apr 01 01:25:07 <Imperialles>	It is. apr 01 01:25:16 <Imperialles>	We can't start ignoring FA requirements. apr 01 01:25:17 <The4dotelipsis>	StarNeptune has decided! apr 01 01:25:20 <The4dotelipsis>	Stop bitching! apr 01 01:25:23 <Imperialles>	Never! apr 01 01:25:25 <Havac>	[Persuade]You want to reconsider your vote. apr 01 01:25:31 <Cull_Tremayne>	Daala is kept, back to Battle of Nar Shaddaa. apr 01 01:25:34 <The4dotelipsis>	We are moving on. apr 01 01:25:46 <The4dotelipsis>	Keep Nar Shaddaa for me. apr 01 01:25:50 <LordHydronium>	Remove Nar apr 01 01:25:51 <Imperialles>	Remove. apr 01 01:25:56 <Havac>	If we're not going to hold to the requirements, what the hell is the point of having them? apr 01 01:26:06 <Xwing328>	fine...remove :( apr 01 01:26:06 <Havac>	Remove. apr 01 01:26:15 <LordHydronium>	Ataru says Keep, so if 4dot sticks with that I guess that's it. apr 01 01:26:32 <Xwing328>	good, that keep was my first vote anyways :) apr 01 01:26:32 <Cull_Tremayne>	I have to vote keep, since it's all from one source, and therefore citations seem unnecessary, the rest of the sources are rehashing. apr 01 01:26:34 <The4dotelipsis>	I'm sticking. apr 01 01:26:52 <LordHydronium>	Cull: But what source is it from? The article gives no indication. apr 01 01:26:56 <Havac>	Dammit, the whole point of the Inq is that we keep people from voting for FAs that don't meet requirement.s apr 01 01:26:57 <Cull_Tremayne>	Therefore it's a little blurry on not having citations. apr 01 01:27:09 <Cull_Tremayne>	It's all from the Hutt Gambit. apr 01 01:27:12 <Havac>	If we're going to ignore them too we might as well shut the whole damn thing down. apr 01 01:27:16 <LordHydronium>	I know, but the article doesn't say that. apr 01 01:27:22 <Xwing328>	Then confirm and source it that way, and we're done apr 01 01:27:32 <SillyDan>	isn't there any info from other works? apr 01 01:27:39 <Cull_Tremayne>	I just think that it's a very minor thing, we've kept articles with much more problems. apr 01 01:27:44 <Xwing328>	I can't say myself SillyDan apr 01 01:27:47 <LordHydronium>	Like Daala! apr 01 01:27:50 <Havac>	And we were mistaken then too. apr 01 01:27:50 <Imperialles>	That's a moot point, Tremayne. apr 01 01:27:54 <Cull_Tremayne>	True. apr 01 01:28:18 <Imperialles>	Anyway. apr 01 01:28:27 <Imperialles>	Let's discuss this in the Inq forum afterwards. apr 01 01:28:33 <Xwing328>	Heh - it's like we're saying if it meets all but two requirements its ok :P apr 01 01:28:37 <Cull_Tremayne>	The point is that Nar Shaddaa only lacks "redundant sourcing", which can be easily done. I'll do it after the meeting, then everyone can be happy. apr 01 01:29:00 <Cull_Tremayne>	Next article: Second Battle of Coruscant (Clone Wars) apr 01 01:29:03 <Imperialles>	Good, good. apr 01 01:29:04 <LordHydronium>	Sourcing. Sectioning (some too long, others very short). BTS needs more info on Clone Wars/LOE discrepancy. Play-by-play in Kenobi/Skywalker and Capture of the Chancellor section. apr 01 01:29:04 <Imperialles>	Silly section: "Participants." Sourcing. Image cleanup needed. apr 01 01:29:24 <LordHydronium>	Ataru: Intro needs rewritten (Rule 7); sectioning (Rule 4); This crosses the line on play-by-play (Rule 1); Referencing (Rule 11). apr 01 01:29:26 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove: LoE vs CWII dispute is not handled well. apr 01 01:29:27 <Havac>	Listy at the end, needs sourcing, somewhat disjointed in the main section. apr 01 01:29:39 <The4dotelipsis>	Grammar issues as well. apr 01 01:29:41 <Cull_Tremayne>	I agree, not handled well at all. apr 01 01:29:47 <Xwing328>	Referencing (Rule 11), one redlink, tried to add some sectioning, and sourced all images today (Rule 12) apr 01 01:29:57 <Xwing328>	Though I don't really like still apr 01 01:30:04 <Xwing328>	(in regards to sectioning) apr 01 01:30:21 <Cull_Tremayne>	Unless StarNeptune comes back, we're going to be stuck in limbo though with Ataru's keep. apr 01 01:30:31 <LordHydronium>	On which one? apr 01 01:30:41 <LordHydronium>	Ataru gave Coruscant the ol' heave-ho apr 01 01:30:42 <Cull_Tremayne>	Battle of Coruscant. apr 01 01:30:57 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ah, I was looking at the Nar Shaddaa. apr 01 01:31:01 <Cull_Tremayne>	So, vote time. apr 01 01:31:04 <LordHydronium>	Remove. apr 01 01:31:06 <Imperialles>	Remove. apr 01 01:31:07 <Cull_Tremayne>	Remove apr 01 01:31:08 <LordHydronium>	Ataru says remove. apr 01 01:31:24 <Havac>	Remove apr 01 01:31:28 <Xwing328>	half-hearted remove apr 01 01:31:33 <Cull_Tremayne>	4dot? apr 01 01:31:35 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove apr 01 01:31:40 <StarNeptune>	Remove apr 01 01:31:47 <Cull_Tremayne>	Next article: Han Solo apr 01 01:31:47 <Imperialles>	Lacks Marvel information. Sourcing. Image cleanup. apr 01 01:31:47 <LordHydronium>	KILL. apr 01 01:31:50 <LordHydronium>	Sourcing. P/T needs some cleanup/expansion; that's all that can be said about Han's character? Prose cleanup in LOTF section ("And while all this was going on, his son Jacen Solo became what the Jedi feared most: a Sith."). Expansion of LOTF, DN, Vong War, and really all-around. Too much of Raynar in Joiner King section. POV ("In a display of poor decision-making", "a masterful display of his current Force p apr 01 01:31:50 <LordHydronium>	ll be fixed when those areas are expanded), overlong in "Hero of the Alliance". apr 01 01:31:56 <Cull_Tremayne>	Remove, WITH A VENGEANCE! apr 01 01:31:58 <Xwing328>	Kill apr 01 01:32:02 <Xwing328>	literally apr 01 01:32:07 <The4dotelipsis>	Torpedo, torpedo, torpedo! apr 01 01:32:18 <Havac>	Remove on the weakness of the P&T alone. apr 01 01:32:22 <Xwing328>	Referencing (Rule 11), over-long Dark Nest section (Rule 1), improper formatting (Rule 4), lacking much information (Rule 9), not all quotes sourced (Rule 12), 3 redlinks (pushing Rule 8 to the limit) apr 01 01:32:24 <The4dotelipsis>	Aaand, incomplete info from Star Wars Missions. apr 01 01:32:31 <The4dotelipsis>	Hah! apr 01 01:32:32 <LordHydronium>	Ataru: Referencing (Rule 11); LOTS of Sectioning (Rule 4); Over-long Dark Nest section (Rule 1); Planet of Twilight Section is terribly lacking (Rule 9); ditto on Darksaber section (Present tense! gasp!); Children of Jedi section is terribly lacking (Rule 9); Crystal Star section is terribly lacking (Rule 9); There's NOTHING at all on New Rebellion (Rule 9); Yuuzhan Vong War section needs to be at least twic apr 01 01:32:44 <The4dotelipsis>	Yeah, who wrote these Dark Nest sections. apr 01 01:32:48 <The4dotelipsis>	They're fat. apr 01 01:32:57 <Cull_Tremayne>	Not complete in almost every area. REQUIRES citations. Fat and ugly Legacy and DN sections. apr 01 01:32:59 <LordHydronium>	One is, the other is practically nonexistent apr 01 01:33:04 <Havac>	Horrible section titles, too. apr 01 01:33:12 <Havac>	And sectioning in general is pathetic. apr 01 01:33:13 <The4dotelipsis>	This thing's got more issues than J. Edgar Hoover. apr 01 01:33:26 <Cull_Tremayne>	Vote apr 01 01:33:28 <LordHydronium>	Remove. apr 01 01:33:29 <StarNeptune>	Remove apr 01 01:33:30 <Cull_Tremayne>	Remove apr 01 01:33:31 <LordHydronium>	Ataru: REMOVE NOW! apr 01 01:33:33 <Xwing328>	Remove apr 01 01:33:35 <Havac>	Remove apr 01 01:33:38 <Imperialles>	Remove. apr 01 01:33:56 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. apr 01 01:33:57 <Cull_Tremayne>	Next article: Jensaarai apr 01 01:33:59 <Imperialles>	Horrible watermarked infobox picture. Sourcing. apr 01 01:33:59 <LordHydronium>	Sourcing. Sectioning. POV ("Already lost to the dark side and beyond saving", "unsurprisingly concluded", "the mixture of Jedi and Sith teachings complemented each other perfectly") apr 01 01:34:05 <Xwing328>	Referencing, one redlink (ok by rules) apr 01 01:34:17 <Havac>	Philosophy section blows. apr 01 01:34:17 <LordHydronium>	Ataru: POV (Rule 2); Referencing (Rule 11); Sectioning in philosophy section (Rule 4) apr 01 01:34:19 <Cull_Tremayne>	Sectioning has trouble near the middle. apr 01 01:34:24 <The4dotelipsis>	POV. apr 01 01:34:27 <Havac>	Sourcing for the love of Waru. apr 01 01:35:07 <LordHydronium>	Vote time! apr 01 01:35:11 <Cull_Tremayne>	Vote apr 01 01:35:13 <Havac>	Remove apr 01 01:35:13 <LordHydronium>	Remove. apr 01 01:35:17 <The4dotelipsis>	Bahlete apr 01 01:35:21 <Cull_Tremayne>	Reluctantly, Remove apr 01 01:35:30 <Imperialles>	Remove. apr 01 01:35:43 <Xwing328>	remove apr 01 01:35:53 <Cull_Tremayne>	and Ataru says Remove apr 01 01:36:03 <Cull_Tremayne>	Next: Gamorrean apr 01 01:36:04 <LordHydronium>	Sourcing. Sectioning. apr 01 01:36:06 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove: No sectioning. apr 01 01:36:15 <LordHydronium>	Ataru: Present tense (Rule 4) "has" and "is", Referencing (Rule 11) apr 01 01:36:18 <Imperialles>	Image cleanup! apr 01 01:36:20 <LordHydronium>	Note: I cleaned up the tense. apr 01 01:36:42 <Havac>	Needs sourcing like nobody's business, needs some quotes from something not written by Hambly. apr 01 01:36:48 <Cull_Tremayne>	The changes seem minor is all I'm saying. Sourcing is in progress it seems. apr 01 01:37:23 <Cull_Tremayne>	But yes, Image clean-up, some better sectioning could be needed. apr 01 01:37:47 <Cull_Tremayne>	Vote. apr 01 01:37:50 <LordHydronium>	Remove. apr 01 01:37:51 <Imperialles>	Remove. apr 01 01:37:54 <StarNeptune>	Why is the section on Piggy in there apr 01 01:37:55 <Havac>	Remove apr 01 01:37:59 <LordHydronium>	Ataru: Remove. apr 01 01:38:04 <StarNeptune>	Shouldn;t all that be in his own article apr 01 01:38:12 <Cull_Tremayne>	He could speak basic is all I'm guessing. apr 01 01:38:16 <Xwing328>	eh...it's undergoing work it seems.... apr 01 01:38:21 <StarNeptune>	anyway, remove apr 01 01:38:25 <Xwing328>	I haven't read though apr 01 01:38:49 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove! apr 01 01:38:50 <LordHydronium>	Still need two votes. apr 01 01:38:53 <LordHydronium>	One vote. apr 01 01:38:53 <Cull_Tremayne>	It doesn't meet the requirements, hopefully will be cleaned up in the next two weeks. Remove apr 01 01:39:11 <LordHydronium>	Consensus says remove. apr 01 01:39:21 <Xwing328>	ok remove apr 01 01:39:22 <Cull_Tremayne>	Next article: Jedi apparel apr 01 01:39:23 <Imperialles>	Thinly veiled gallery. Sourcing. Lack of Solus edits. apr 01 01:39:24 <StarNeptune>	REMOVE WITH A TURBOLASER apr 01 01:39:25 <LordHydronium>	Sourcing. Intro. Odd Jedi Covenant section. Very image-heavy, unnecessarily so (images in Imperial Knight section redundant). apr 01 01:39:30 <Havac>	Sourcing. apr 01 01:39:33 <Cull_Tremayne>	Basically crap. apr 01 01:39:33 <Xwing328>	mesa hate this one apr 01 01:39:39 <LordHydronium>	Ataru: Intro (Rule 7); This particular gallery shows nothing of particular canonical significance and should be removed, imo. Needs sourcing to remove possible speculation (Rule 11); I feel that the Jedi armor section is lacking info on the Zeison Sha and comparable armors from KotOR II that didn't restrict Force use (Rule 9); too-image heavy (Rule 15); apr 01 01:39:45 <Cull_Tremayne>	Pitiful intro. apr 01 01:39:54 <The4dotelipsis>	Basically a gallery with exposition. apr 01 01:40:35 <LordHydronium>	Vote? apr 01 01:40:39 <Imperialles>	Remove. apr 01 01:40:40 <LordHydronium>	Remove. apr 01 01:40:40 <Cull_Tremayne>	Some galleries don't even represent text. apr 01 01:40:43 <Cull_Tremayne>	Remove apr 01 01:40:44 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. apr 01 01:40:47 <StarNeptune>	Again: REMOVE WITH A TURBOLASER apr 01 01:40:52 <Xwing328>	Remove apr 01 01:41:06 <LordHydronium>	Havad? apr 01 01:41:10 <LordHydronium>	*Havac? apr 01 01:41:31 <Havac>	Remove apr 01 01:41:33 <Cull_Tremayne>	Next article: Second Battle of Borleias (Yuuzhan Vong War) apr 01 01:41:40 <Imperialles>	Anti-Vong POV. Pointless Jaina image. Length. Sourcing. apr 01 01:41:40 <The4dotelipsis>	Keep apr 01 01:41:44 <LordHydronium>	POV-ish "heroes". apr 01 01:41:56 <Imperialles>	The entire thing is written from a NR perspective apr 01 01:42:04 <The4dotelipsis>	Actually...yes it is. apr 01 01:42:08 <Havac>	POV. apr 01 01:42:30 <Havac>	Vote: apr 01 01:42:32 <Havac>	Remove apr 01 01:42:39 <Cull_Tremayne>	Eh. Remove apr 01 01:42:42 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove apr 01 01:42:42 <Imperialles>	Remove. apr 01 01:42:52 <Imperialles>	Ataru sez keep. apr 01 01:43:23 <Cull_Tremayne>	4dot? Are you staying with keep? apr 01 01:43:30 <Imperialles>	He said remove. apr 01 01:43:31 <The4dotelipsis>	No. apr 01 01:43:33 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. apr 01 01:43:36 <The4dotelipsis>	Pay attention, boy. apr 01 01:43:39 <LordHydronium>	Eh, fine, remove. apr 01 01:43:45 <Cull_Tremayne>	I can't after you hit so hard. apr 01 01:44:27 <The4dotelipsis>	Next: The Force. apr 01 01:44:28 <Cull_Tremayne>	We need two more. StarNeptune? Xwing? apr 01 01:44:28 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. apr 01 01:44:29 <Xwing328>	Haven't read, somebody take my proxy apr 01 01:44:41 <Cull_Tremayne>	We need 7 votes for Borleias apr 01 01:44:42 <StarNeptune>	Remove apr 01 01:44:47 <Imperialles>	Yay. apr 01 01:44:55 <LordHydronium>	And since we're all remove, X's proxy is remove also. apr 01 01:45:05 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright, Next: Force apr 01 01:45:07 <LordHydronium>	Sourcing. BTS sourcing (maybe redundant, but there's plenty there that needs it). Appearances: What? Tense. Force-use in animals is kind of glossed over. Odd image choice/captioning (Potentium, for example). apr 01 01:45:07 <Imperialles>	Sourcing. Horribleness. apr 01 01:45:09 <Xwing328>	Remove apr 01 01:45:16 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove! apr 01 01:45:19 <The4dotelipsis>	OT apr 01 01:45:21 <The4dotelipsis>	OR apr 01 01:45:24 <LordHydronium>	Intro: Come on! apr 01 01:45:26 <Cull_Tremayne>	Just a mess in general. apr 01 01:45:33 <The4dotelipsis>	OE apr 01 01:45:35 <The4dotelipsis>	OS apr 01 01:45:36 <The4dotelipsis>	OS apr 01 01:45:38 <LordHydronium>	Ataru: Needs sourcing badly to remove possible speculation (Rule 11); 2 redlinks in sources section? Get rid of note in appearances section- fan arguments are irrelevant, more detail on the voxyn would be nice (Rule 9); Present tense "can" (Rule 4); apr 01 01:45:41 <The4dotelipsis>	OM apr 01 01:45:44 <Xwing328>	formatting (rule 4) apr 01 01:45:45 <The4dotelipsis>	OC apr 01 01:45:50 <The4dotelipsis>	ON apr 01 01:45:52 <Xwing328>	whoops, is that the right rule? apr 01 01:45:54 <The4dotelipsis>	OI apr 01 01:45:57 <The4dotelipsis>	OE apr 01 01:46:26 <The4dotelipsis>	OI apr 01 01:46:26 <The4dotelipsis>	OL apr 01 01:46:26 <The4dotelipsis>	Heh heh heh. apr 01 01:46:36 <Cull_Tremayne>	Vote apr 01 01:46:38 <LordHydronium>	Remove. apr 01 01:46:40 <Cull_Tremayne>	Remove apr 01 01:46:44 <StarNeptune>	Remove apr 01 01:46:45 <Xwing328>	Remove apr 01 01:46:45 <LordHydronium>	Ataru: Remove. apr 01 01:46:47 <Imperialles>	Remove. apr 01 01:46:53 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. apr 01 01:46:54 <LordHydronium>	And that's a wrap! apr 01 01:47:00 <Imperialles>	Good work, gentlemen. apr 01 01:47:07 <The4dotelipsis>	And lady. apr 01 01:47:10 <Imperialles>	Yes. apr 01 01:47:20 <LordHydronium>	Now, the ones from two weeks ago, right? apr 01 01:47:21 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright, additional agenda. apr 01 01:47:31 <Cull_Tremayne>	Si. apr 01 01:47:47 <Xwing328>	yep apr 01 01:47:52 <Cull_Tremayne>	First up: Ackbar apr 01 01:48:02 <Imperialles>	Remove. apr 01 01:48:05 <Gonk>	Seymour! apr 01 01:48:14 <Cull_Tremayne>	Obviously sourcing wanted to take place, but no one got around to it. apr 01 01:48:26 <LordHydronium>	Changes: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Ackbar&diff=1215781&oldid=1188645 apr 01 01:48:33 <Cull_Tremayne>	Anyone for keeping it? apr 01 01:48:37 <LordHydronium>	Barely any. Remove. apr 01 01:48:42 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. apr 01 01:48:52 <Cull_Tremayne>	Next: Grievous apr 01 01:48:56 <Imperialles>	Remove. apr 01 01:49:02 <Xwing328>	Not much has changed either I presume? apr 01 01:49:07 <LordHydronium>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Grievous&diff=1219826&oldid=1188648 apr 01 01:49:12 <The4dotelipsis>	"It's a trap" is not his main quote. apr 01 01:49:14 <The4dotelipsis>	For shame. apr 01 01:49:22 <Cull_Tremayne>	Only chime in if you want to keep it really, otherwise, we'll presume that you're going with the consensus from the 3rd meeting. apr 01 01:49:36 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. apr 01 01:49:37 <LordHydronium>	It's been referenced, let me check the objections apr 01 01:49:39 <Cull_Tremayne>	So anyone for keeping Grievous? apr 01 01:50:01 <The4dotelipsis>	No. apr 01 01:50:05 <LordHydronium>	Nope, it's just been reffed apr 01 01:50:22 <Cull_Tremayne>	This wasn't on there, but was there a P&T objection? apr 01 01:50:38 <Xwing328>	There's a talents and traits section apr 01 01:50:39 <Imperialles>	Probably. apr 01 01:50:56 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ah, missed that. Well removed anyhow only the refs have been started. apr 01 01:51:01 <Cull_Tremayne>	Next: Booster Terrik apr 01 01:51:17 <LordHydronium>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Booster_Terrik&diff=1216053&oldid=1188657 apr 01 01:51:18 <Cull_Tremayne>	One citation done. :-P apr 01 01:51:22 <Imperialles>	Sigh. apr 01 01:51:25 <LordHydronium>	No changes, remove apr 01 01:51:32 <Cull_Tremayne>	Just a joke Imp. :-P apr 01 01:51:38 <The4dotelipsis>	Jesus Christ. apr 01 01:51:40 <Imperialles>	Hmm? apr 01 01:51:45 <Xwing328>	What the heck is this: apr 01 01:51:47 <Imperialles>	What? apr 01 01:51:56 <The4dotelipsis>	We didn't we list sectioning as an issue for that article? apr 01 01:51:58 <Cull_Tremayne>	Who was the "sigh" directed at? apr 01 01:51:58 <Imperialles>	I was sighing at the article, Cull. ;) apr 01 01:52:05 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ah. :-P apr 01 01:52:12 <Imperialles>	Don't worry, I am very fond of you. apr 01 01:52:19 <Havac>	Alright, I've got rain coming in and my connection is funky. apr 01 01:52:21 *	Imperialles hugs Tremayne apr 01 01:52:22 <Havac>	I'm out. apr 01 01:52:28 <LordHydronium>	Later apr 01 01:52:32 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright: Battle of Kashyyyk apr 01 01:52:33 <Cull_Tremayne>	Later apr 01 01:52:36 <LordHydronium>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Battle_of_Kashyyyk_%28Clone_Wars%29&diff=1208095&oldid=1188662 apr 01 01:52:40 *	Havac (n=Havac@dpc6745249230.direcpc.com) has left #wookieepedia-inquisitorius apr 01 01:52:50 <LordHydronium>	No refs, remove apr 01 01:52:58 <Imperialles>	Kill it. apr 01 01:53:04 <The4dotelipsis>	Bahlete! apr 01 01:53:07 <Xwing328>	stay gone apr 01 01:53:18 <Cull_Tremayne>	Removed: Next: Naga Sadow. apr 01 01:53:21 <Cull_Tremayne>	Refs started. apr 01 01:53:28 <LordHydronium>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Naga_Sadow&diff=1217375&oldid=1188665 apr 01 01:53:35 <LordHydronium>	Needs a little more reffing, but I say keep. apr 01 01:54:01 <The4dotelipsis>	Honest work has been done. apr 01 01:54:02 <Xwing328>	That's not half bad apr 01 01:54:04 <Xwing328>	Keep apr 01 01:54:04 <The4dotelipsis>	We should honour that. apr 01 01:54:06 <The4dotelipsis>	Keep. apr 01 01:54:09 <Imperialles>	Keep. apr 01 01:54:20 <Cull_Tremayne>	Next: Quinlan Vos apr 01 01:54:27 <LordHydronium>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Quinlan_Vos&diff=1217615&oldid=1188668 apr 01 01:54:36 <Cull_Tremayne>	No refs. apr 01 01:54:38 <LordHydronium>	Almost nothing. Remove. apr 01 01:54:51 <Imperialles>	Remove. apr 01 01:54:59 <The4dotelipsis>	Bahletionalise. apr 01 01:55:01 <Cull_Tremayne>	Next: Coruscant apr 01 01:55:09 <LordHydronium>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Coruscant&diff=1216231&oldid=1188676 apr 01 01:55:37 <LordHydronium>	Nada. Remove. apr 01 01:55:44 <Imperialles>	Yep. apr 01 01:55:46 <Xwing328>	doesn't look much better apr 01 01:55:49 <The4dotelipsis>	Bahlete apr 01 01:55:49 <Xwing328>	remove apr 01 01:55:52 *	Gonk has quit ("Gonk. Gonk.") apr 01 01:55:55 <Cull_Tremayne>	Some numbers were changed, which means that refs are needed all the more. apr 01 01:56:06 <Cull_Tremayne>	Next: Jedi Civil War apr 01 01:56:08 <LordHydronium>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Jedi_Civil_War&diff=1219793&oldid=1188686 apr 01 01:56:34 <LordHydronium>	Honest work. Keep. apr 01 01:56:48 <Imperialles>	Revan fanboyishness apr 01 01:56:48 <Cull_Tremayne>	Sourcing started, clean-up started. apr 01 01:57:07 <Imperialles>	"A year after the end of the war, Revan left the Republic. He bade farewell to the nine comrades who had accompanied him on his quest, knowing that in the places he had to walk none whom he loved could accompany him." is horrible fanwank apr 01 01:57:27 <Cull_Tremayne>	That's almost a direct quote from Kreia, but I agree. apr 01 01:57:28 <The4dotelipsis>	Yes, but... apr 01 01:57:31 <Imperialles>	Remove this atrocity. apr 01 01:57:32 <The4dotelipsis>	Not enough to remove. apr 01 01:57:38 <The4dotelipsis>	Keep, I say. apr 01 01:57:47 <Cull_Tremayne>	Well that's 2. apr 01 01:57:51 <Xwing328>	again, they started and got some good work apr 01 01:57:56 <Cull_Tremayne>	Next: Vuffi Raa apr 01 01:58:02 <SillyDan>	so edit that passage so it's better apr 01 01:58:14 <Imperialles>	I don't edit... I review. apr 01 01:58:21 *	Imperialles crosses arms. apr 01 01:58:33 <LordHydronium>	Anyway, it could probably be less flowery, but that's pretty much all canon apr 01 01:58:35 <Cull_Tremayne>	Anyhow: Vuffi Raa apr 01 01:58:36 <LordHydronium>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Vuffi_Raa&diff=1218473&oldid=1188690 apr 01 01:58:56 <LordHydronium>	P/T is still in progress, it seems, but it's being done. apr 01 01:58:59 <The4dotelipsis>	Keep apr 01 01:59:15 <Cull_Tremayne>	A lot of work done to meet requirements. apr 01 01:59:21 <Xwing328>	keep apr 01 01:59:22 <LordHydronium>	Keep. apr 01 01:59:42 <Cull_Tremayne>	Next: Squib apr 01 01:59:44 <LordHydronium>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Squib&oldid=1188696 apr 01 01:59:46 <LordHydronium>	That's right. Not a single change. apr 01 02:00:06 <LordHydronium>	Insta-remove. apr 01 02:00:10 <Cull_Tremayne>	I kind of like that article, but nothing done. apr 01 02:00:13 <Xwing328>	GOodbye apr 01 02:00:19 <Cull_Tremayne>	Pity. Next: Padme apr 01 02:00:25 <The4dotelipsis>	Time to...say goodbye... apr 01 02:00:27 <LordHydronium>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Padm%C3%A9_Amidala&diff=1217516&oldid=1188703 apr 01 02:00:53 <LordHydronium>	Well, that's certainly been worked on. apr 01 02:01:08 <Cull_Tremayne>	Someone's been citing like mad. apr 01 02:01:24 <Xwing328>	yeah, lots of work...i don't know if it's good or not, but I guess keep apr 01 02:01:26 <LordHydronium>	Keep the stomach. apr 01 02:01:40 <Imperialles>	Keep... apr 01 02:01:43 <Cull_Tremayne>	Some additional citation needed... apr 01 02:01:53 <LordHydronium>	Ach, some anons have been adding crap; gotta get rid of that apr 01 02:01:55 <Cull_Tremayne>	Nothing in the infobox has been cited. apr 01 02:02:03 <The4dotelipsis>	Well Toned Stomach For The Win apr 01 02:02:06 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ah, there we go. apr 01 02:02:48 <LordHydronium>	Imp, cut it out, I need to get at the history apr 01 02:02:51 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ignoring the anon edit. That's kept. apr 01 02:03:17 <Imperialles>	Alright. apr 01 02:03:48 <Cull_Tremayne>	Additional agenda apr 01 02:04:09 <Cull_Tremayne>	Leading quote requirement for FAs. Needed? or not? apr 01 02:04:15 <The4dotelipsis>	Not needed. apr 01 02:04:32 <LordHydronium>	Not needed. apr 01 02:04:41 <Imperialles>	Not needed. apr 01 02:04:43 <The4dotelipsis>	I actually think that if an article is about a character with no canon image, we should be able to take them to Fa without the pic. apr 01 02:04:46 <The4dotelipsis>	But that's just me. apr 01 02:04:55 <Cull_Tremayne>	I'm inclined to say needed. Any worthy subject should be able to at least scrounge up a quote. apr 01 02:04:59 <Imperialles>	Ataru sez keep. apr 01 02:05:10 <StarNeptune>	Keep the lead quote apr 01 02:05:14 <SillyDan>	4dot: how many characters have enough info to be featured w/o at least one pic? apr 01 02:05:26 <The4dotelipsis>	Nick Rostu. apr 01 02:05:32 <The4dotelipsis>	Leaps to mind, for one. apr 01 02:05:41 <The4dotelipsis>	Kuat of Kuat apr 01 02:05:42 <LordHydronium>	Arhul Hextrophon. Nejaa Halcyon. apr 01 02:05:42 <Cull_Tremayne>	Any book that features a character. apr 01 02:05:46 <The4dotelipsis>	Captain Cohl. apr 01 02:06:00 <The4dotelipsis>	Olee Starstone apr 01 02:06:01 <Cull_Tremayne>	Cradossk. apr 01 02:06:13 <StarNeptune>	Allana apr 01 02:06:14 <StarNeptune>	:P apr 01 02:06:15 <SillyDan>	aren't Rostu and Hextrophon pictured somewhere? apr 01 02:06:27 <Cull_Tremayne>	Rostu isn't. We have Hextrophon's signature. apr 01 02:06:30 <SillyDan>	as for the rest: fine, I stand corrected. 8) apr 01 02:06:35 <The4dotelipsis>	:) apr 01 02:06:49 <The4dotelipsis>	But then, I'm of the mind that anything can go to FA, if you just set your mind to it. apr 01 02:06:54 <Cull_Tremayne>	Well, are we going by majority for necessity of a leader quote? apr 01 02:07:17 <Cull_Tremayne>	We have 2 saying it's not needed. Two that say it should stand as a requirement. apr 01 02:07:23 <Xwing328>	what's the question, sry? apr 01 02:07:31 <Cull_Tremayne>	Leader quote: Needed or not? apr 01 02:07:37 <Xwing328>	leading quote = necessary if available apr 01 02:07:43 <The4dotelipsis>	I strongly disagree. This is an encyclopedia. The primirary function is to present facts about a character. The quote is just a passing bit of fun, or whatever. apr 01 02:07:49 <Xwing328>	if there's no quote, you can't quite use it, can you? apr 01 02:07:51 <Imperialles>	Per 4dot. apr 01 02:08:01 <Cull_Tremayne>	What wouldn't have a quote? apr 01 02:08:12 <LordHydronium>	Pre-Republic era was a close one. apr 01 02:08:14 <Cull_Tremayne>	It doesn't matter, it seems majority is against me. apr 01 02:08:16 <The4dotelipsis>	That's not the point. The point is that nothing *needs* a quote. apr 01 02:08:53 <Cull_Tremayne>	So leader quote no longer a requirement. Next: Reducing the number of past-FAs per meeting. apr 01 02:09:05 <Cull_Tremayne>	Should we? Shouldn't we? and how many? apr 01 02:09:18 <The4dotelipsis>	No, the current amount is fine. apr 01 02:09:20 <Imperialles>	I think the current amount is fine. apr 01 02:09:40 <Xwing328>	fine number, but maybe less meetings? apr 01 02:09:49 <Cull_Tremayne>	The thing is that we're getting pretty close to current FAs. apr 01 02:09:56 <The4dotelipsis>	Yeah, exactly. apr 01 02:10:02 <Imperialles>	Less... meetings? apr 01 02:10:06 <Cull_Tremayne>	In fact, we can't pull off any more 12 FA meetings. apr 01 02:10:07 <LordHydronium>	Where are we on the list? apr 01 02:10:15 <Cull_Tremayne>	Oh wait, we can pull off one more. apr 01 02:10:23 <Cull_Tremayne>	We're through 2006. apr 01 02:10:29 *	GHe is now known as GHe|NotAvailable apr 01 02:11:00 <Cull_Tremayne>	So then yes. One more 12 FA meeting? Decide at the next one? apr 01 02:11:11 <Cull_Tremayne>	How to proceed that is? apr 01 02:11:14 <The4dotelipsis>	Sure. apr 01 02:11:23 <Cull_Tremayne>	Any objections to that? apr 01 02:11:33 <LordHydronium>	Sounds god to me apr 01 02:11:35 <Xwing328>	sure apr 01 02:11:35 <LordHydronium>	*good apr 01 02:11:55 <Imperialles>	Sounds great. apr 01 02:12:15 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright, final agenda point, and I have no real opinion on this: Sikon and Solus have both asked about the ambiguity of KotOR storylines. How do "we" want to treat the articles and their storylines with respect to sidequests and such that we simply won't know if Revan/Exile did until Dan makes an Essential Guide to Revan and the Exile. apr 01 02:12:31 <Xwing328>	I don't know. Haven't played all the way through, etc. apr 01 02:12:31 <Imperialles>	Quite simply apr 01 02:12:33 <The4dotelipsis>	Mention sidequests, but don't go into depth. apr 01 02:12:50 <LordHydronium>	If we can avoid going into detail, do so. apr 01 02:12:51 <Imperialles>	Unless there's an official stance on the resolution of sidequests, any details is speculation apr 01 02:12:51 <The4dotelipsis>	Go into depth about the main storyline, but keep the order of events ambiguous. apr 01 02:12:54 <Xwing328>	If they're in the game, keep, just like anything else apr 01 02:12:59 <Cull_Tremayne>	Default: The PC made all light-side decisions unless specified elsewhere. apr 01 02:13:03 <Imperialles>	No. apr 01 02:13:06 <Imperialles>	Source please. apr 01 02:13:13 <SillyDan>	but what about multiple light-side decisions? apr 01 02:13:25 <LordHydronium>	We get all ambiguous-like. apr 01 02:13:44 <SillyDan>	like the "nice" way to resolve a quest, the "super-nice" way, and the "sorry, didn't get to that part of Kashyyyk" way? apr 01 02:13:51 <Cull_Tremayne>	I'm fine with ambiguity, but what we've been doing now is assuming that Revan or the Exile made all light-side decisions. apr 01 02:14:01 <Imperialles>	AFAIK, the only official thing we've heard is that the ending is light side apr 01 02:14:10 <Imperialles>	CT: I know. And it's speculation. apr 01 02:14:20 <Cull_Tremayne>	Just sayin' ;) apr 01 02:14:45 <Cull_Tremayne>	So ambiguous as possible and leaning more toward light-side decisions? apr 01 02:14:55 <Cull_Tremayne>	Or not? apr 01 02:15:01 <Imperialles>	No... just ambiguous. apr 01 02:15:34 <Cull_Tremayne>	I only say leaning toward, because it's going to be impossible to be ambiguous about ever point without having the most confusing article ever. apr 01 02:16:23 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright: "Just try to be ambiguous as possible, and try not to go into detail" apr 01 02:16:28 <Cull_Tremayne>	Open floor. apr 01 02:16:47 <Cull_Tremayne>	Nothing? apr 01 02:17:20 <Cull_Tremayne>	Meeting adjourned. apr 01 02:17:35 <LordHydronium>	Vote on FA noms! apr 01 02:17:44 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ah. Open meeting again. :-P apr 01 02:18:04 <LordHydronium>	That's not an agenda item, just an order. apr 01 02:18:09 <The4dotelipsis>	All of you should vote for Burl Ives. apr 01 02:18:22 <Imperialles>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Supergeeky1 apr 01 02:18:24 <SillyDan>	you know what I like? Our persistent vandal is messing about, but no one's noticing the real vandalism because of the April Fool's foolishness apr 01 02:18:30 <Imperialles>	Wrong channel. apr 01 02:18:52 <Cull_Tremayne>	Let's just to a quick run-over. apr 01 02:19:12 <Cull_Tremayne>	HK-47: Objections still standing? apr 01 02:19:15 <Imperialles>	Yes. apr 01 02:19:40 <Cull_Tremayne>	How about Form V? apr 01 02:19:53 <Imperialles>	I still don't like the gallery. apr 01 02:20:04 <The4dotelipsis>	Ataru has done some work on it. apr 01 02:20:15 <The4dotelipsis>	Gallery is gone. apr 01 02:20:22 <Imperialles>	Ooh apr 01 02:20:29 <Imperialles>	Well, Breathes still has her objection. apr 01 02:20:30 <The4dotelipsis>	Screenshots still suck. apr 01 02:20:39 <Cull_Tremayne>	I hate voting for Lightsaber Form articles, but I can't think of an objection really. apr 01 02:20:40 <LordHydronium>	Aah, the tabs changed! apr 01 02:20:55 *	GHe|NotAvailable is now known as GHe apr 01 02:20:57 <Cull_Tremayne>	BG's objection will still stand though. apr 01 02:21:13 <The4dotelipsis>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Djem_So.jpg - This image really helps me understand Djem So! apr 01 02:21:16 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright: The Haunted Village. Objections still stand? apr 01 02:21:43 <Imperialles>	They do. apr 01 02:21:52 <The4dotelipsis>	That thing stinks! apr 01 02:21:57 *	SillyDan has quit apr 01 02:22:04 <Cull_Tremayne>	Someone was too dumb to correct a redlink to Grievous, that's pitiful. apr 01 02:22:05 <LordHydronium>	I don't think that a straight-out summary of a show is FA-worthy, but it's not really objectionable. I just don't vote. apr 01 02:22:27 <The4dotelipsis>	It is objectionable. apr 01 02:22:35 <The4dotelipsis>	It's *too* in depth. apr 01 02:22:35 *	You've invited SillyDan to #wookieepedia-inquisitorius (zelazny.freenode.net) apr 01 02:22:40 <The4dotelipsis>	And therefore, poorly written. apr 01 02:23:10 <The4dotelipsis>	See Holiday Special. apr 01 02:23:10 <Cull_Tremayne>	I seriously can't vote for a play-by-play of an Ewoks episode. apr 01 02:23:18 <The4dotelipsis>	There's nothing about the production, reception, anything... apr 01 02:23:22 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright: Carth, objections still stand? apr 01 02:23:33 <LordHydronium>	Intro looks long enough to me apr 01 02:23:37 <Imperialles>	They do. apr 01 02:23:47 <Cull_Tremayne>	Intro still too short Imp? apr 01 02:23:51 <Imperialles>	Not that. apr 01 02:24:04 <The4dotelipsis>	Goddamit. apr 01 02:24:06 <Imperialles>	My new horribly strict objection apr 01 02:24:11 <The4dotelipsis>	They should use his party icon for the infobox. apr 01 02:24:12 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ah, but you hadn't struck it. apr 01 02:24:20 <Imperialles>	Sorry, I'll get right on it. apr 01 02:24:52 <Cull_Tremayne>	Is that a legit objection? What rule does that fall under? apr 01 02:25:14 <Imperialles>	11 apr 01 02:25:32 <LordHydronium>	Well, except...it fits Rule 11. apr 01 02:25:34 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ref tags? apr 01 02:25:51 <Imperialles>	For all available material apr 01 02:25:51 <Cull_Tremayne>	Too be sourced like Exile you mean? apr 01 02:25:54 <Imperialles>	Yes. apr 01 02:26:02 <Cull_Tremayne>	I can accept that. apr 01 02:26:09 <Cull_Tremayne>	Next: Kaox Krul apr 01 02:26:22 <LordHydronium>	No outstanding objections, but no for votes either. apr 01 02:26:37 <LordHydronium>	Well, there are for votes, but only from three Inqs. apr 01 02:26:42 <Cull_Tremayne>	The votes on the nom page are fine, but can I get some more Inq votes on the Inq page? apr 01 02:27:03 <Cull_Tremayne>	I still don't see why we have to do a "second vote", what's the point of archiving then? apr 01 02:27:27 <Imperialles>	The system's a bit messy. apr 01 02:27:30 <The4dotelipsis>	Because...it was nommed...before...? apr 01 02:27:32 <LordHydronium>	To preserve the last vote. The article could have potentially changed. apr 01 02:27:53 <LordHydronium>	In this case, it hasn't a lot, but in general and article will probably be different between two noms. apr 01 02:28:00 <LordHydronium>	*an article apr 01 02:28:01 <Cull_Tremayne>	But then that should be brought up under objections. It can't go through with "any" objections, so that fixes it. apr 01 02:28:47 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright: Human and Burl Ives apr 01 02:29:03 <Cull_Tremayne>	Human still has obvious work to be done. apr 01 02:29:06 <Cull_Tremayne>	Burl Ives? apr 01 02:29:10 <LordHydronium>	Guardian's before Burl, BTW. apr 01 02:29:26 <The4dotelipsis>	It's already been Inq approved. apr 01 02:29:31 <Cull_Tremayne>	Yes, but what am I supposed to say? It's already been approved? apr 01 02:29:40 <LordHydronium>	Ah, right. There are still objections, though. apr 01 02:29:53 <The4dotelipsis>	Get down there and get voting on ol' Burl. apr 01 02:30:17 <Cull_Tremayne>	Too many images? I just saw that and I say: Pfft! :-P apr 01 02:30:33 <LordHydronium>	4dot: You should probably vote for Burl on the Inq page... :-P apr 01 02:30:35 <Imperialles>	Pffft! apr 01 02:30:51 <Cull_Tremayne>	Are you on a miniature screen or something? :-P apr 01 02:30:52 <Imperialles>	It's not a rules-based objection, so feel free to ignore it apr 01 02:31:00 <Cull_Tremayne>	I'll shift the images anyhow. apr 01 02:31:07 <Imperialles>	But I'd be awfully happy if you'd do something. :) apr 01 02:31:15 <Imperialles>	Thanks Cull apr 01 02:31:20 <The4dotelipsis>	Done. apr 01 02:31:23 <LordHydronium>	I think you just need to shrink them a bit, Cull apr 01 02:31:36 <Cull_Tremayne>	Righto. apr 01 02:31:51 <Cull_Tremayne>	Battle of Grassy Plains apr 01 02:32:06 <Xwing328>	Hey - Jaymach's objection to Burl is valid apr 01 02:32:12 <Xwing328>	It's a policy actually apr 01 02:32:15 <Cull_Tremayne>	Hey, I didn't strike it. apr 01 02:32:20 <Xwing328>	I know, Ataru did apr 01 02:32:27 <Xwing328>	so I'm pointing it out apr 01 02:32:33 <The4dotelipsis>	How is it policy? apr 01 02:32:50 <The4dotelipsis>	If it's policy, the article should read: Burl Ives did narration for Caravan of Courage apr 01 02:32:51 <Xwing328>	Part of our policy is not to have bios about non-Star Wars related stuff I believ apr 01 02:32:52 <The4dotelipsis>	That's it. apr 01 02:33:00 <Xwing328>	I can go find it maybe apr 01 02:33:19 <LordHydronium>	4dot: About Grassy Plains, do you want to add GB as the source for the name? apr 01 02:33:26 <The4dotelipsis>	Eh? apr 01 02:33:39 <The4dotelipsis>	Oh, no, because then we'll have to source names everywhere. apr 01 02:33:48 <The4dotelipsis>	That's just the name of it, that's all. apr 01 02:33:50 <LordHydronium>	OK, it's still got that source tag, though apr 01 02:33:54 <The4dotelipsis>	I see no reason to source. apr 01 02:34:15 <Imperialles>	Just add "" apr 01 02:34:49 <The4dotelipsis>	Ok. apr 01 02:35:16 <Imperialles>	Or well, "Battle of Grassy Plains" apr 01 02:35:40 <Cull_Tremayne>	Okay, Sio Bibble. apr 01 02:36:11 <Imperialles>	Mm... apr 01 02:36:12 <LordHydronium>	Too short for me to vote for, but apparently I can't object on that. apr 01 02:36:23 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ditto. apr 01 02:36:25 <Imperialles>	Some articles just can't be FAs. apr 01 02:36:30 <LordHydronium>	And there's still some sources missing on images apr 01 02:36:35 <LordHydronium>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Bibman.jpg apr 01 02:36:39 <The4dotelipsis>	Yeah, I'll get those fixed. apr 01 02:36:46 <LordHydronium>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Bibblemourning.JPG apr 01 02:36:56 <LordHydronium>	And http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Sio_Bibble_concept.jpg apr 01 02:36:56 <The4dotelipsis>	Oh, right, yeah, that's from TOS. apr 01 02:37:05 <The4dotelipsis>	Dunno where that thing's from. apr 01 02:37:21 <Xwing328>	Huh, can't find the policy, so either it was edited/removed, or I just imagined it apr 01 02:37:23 <LordHydronium>	If by "that thing" you mean his beard, totally. apr 01 02:38:06 <The4dotelipsis>	I can't seem to find the policy, and if it does exsist, it's moronic. apr 01 02:38:21 <Cull_Tremayne>	Let's just lump all the rest together. apr 01 02:38:23 <The4dotelipsis>	We have an article at "Burl Ives"...so why should not that article contain information pertaining to Burl Ives? apr 01 02:38:34 <The4dotelipsis>	They're all new, so there's no concern, Cull. apr 01 02:39:07 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ah, right, though just let me say that GJP has a really wimpy intro. apr 01 02:39:26 <Cull_Tremayne>	So any additional agenda? apr 01 02:39:44 <Imperialles>	Nope. apr 01 02:39:48 <The4dotelipsis>	Xwing - Where's that Bibble art from? apr 01 02:39:55 <Xwing328>	just a sec apr 01 02:40:06 <Xwing328>	the official site apr 01 02:40:11 <Xwing328>	I'll try to grab the link apr 01 02:40:22 <Cull_Tremayne>	Meeting adjourned.