Talk:Stormtrooper/Archive1

Source for Clone
I'm sure that I've seen it before, but which source(s) explictly state that the clone troopers that survived the Clone Wars were converted into stormtroopers? --SparqMan 01:54, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, Star Wars: Empire, for one.--Eion 02:14, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * and Star Wars Battlefront II, when playing the missions, after the epIII levels the clone says that they got new armor. Raltaran
 * also, in the Kamino level, there is a clone uprising, which is what caused the emperor to start phasing in "new blood"

Officers
Traditionally, a platoon is led by an NCO and an officer. I haven't seen anything that says the black-uniformed officers are equivalent to the shoulder-indicated armored officers we've seen. Is it reasonable to consider the rather wimpy looking blackshirts to be Naval NCOs while the paldron'ed ones are Stormie NCOs? --SparqMan 19:50, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Rename
I would prefer to see this article as "Imperial Stormtrooper Corps" with "Stormtrooper" redirecting. Thoughts? --SparqMan 18:43, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Yep, with more emphasis on the organization. --Imp 18:58, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Female?
Quote: "As with much of the Imperial military, stormtroopers were predominantly male." - I thought they were entirely male, 100%.-LtNOWIS 08:21, 30 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe Leia should have said, "Aren't you a little flat-chested for a stormtrooper?" :P -- Riffsyphon1024 08:58, 30 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Yea I knew I saw those somewhere. -- Riffsyphon1024 09:18, 30 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * For some reason, I vaguely recall a female cadet in Soldier for the Empire. I don't own it though. Can anyone check? --SparqMan 20:13, 30 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Daala did enter Imperial Academy on Carida which would tend to say that femal troopers exist, but they were badly considered and almost always used for unintersting jobs far from their capacities (except for Daala of course)
 * Where does that "but they were badly considered" part come from? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:25, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You mean aside from the poor English? Jachra 21:42, 29 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Please don't restart topics that haven't been posted on for a while. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 23:28, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Organization
What's the source for the new Stormtrooper organizational information? --SparqMan 20:12, 30 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I can confirm the numbers. That bit is from the Imperial Sourcebook. --Imp 20:15, 30 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Stylized Armor
From X-Wing: Wedge's Gamble, while Corran Horn is checking out security in and around the Grand Corridor: "Guards wearing a more stylized and esthetically pleasing form of stormtrooper armor maintained posts at these passages and gently redirected anyone who appeared to be lost." Have we seen or heard more about this in other sources? Is this a form of the armor we haven't seen in illustration, or just the Coruscant Guards? If it were the latter, I imagine he would have noted their red color. Thoughts? --22:58, 30 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * More aesthetically pleasing? I'll bet it looked like the armor in Aziz's picture. ;-)  Seriously, lacking evidence to the contrary, it's probably just the Coruscant Guard; the last thing we need is ANOTHER set of fully-armored elite troopers to place.  jSarek 00:24, 31 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * The choice of spelling is his (esthetically is acceptable, but uncommon). It's pretty clear that the guards are stormtroopers, and not another group of "elite troopers" (jeez, everyone's elite these days...). It does state earlier that Corran was noting the constabulary and the stormtrooper platoons assigned to aid them, which roughly describes what the Coruscant Guard did. --SparqMan 01:27, 31 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I wasn't contesting his spelling, just repeating him to set up my punchline regarding Aziz's pic. ;-) jSarek 08:30, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Squad formations
It's also known that storm troopers are arranged in squads of nine -- 24.250.23.170

Story of the Clones
In Star Wars Force Commander, the stormtroopers are humans, but in Revenge of the Sith they are clones. Within those 19 years, how did the Clone Troopers become Stormtroopers? What happend to the clones? If the Empire had clones, why did they start replacing them with humans?
 * After RotS, the Empire began the cloning of other human templates (those who were very, very skilled), as well as humans not to be cloned. So, at the time of ANH, not all of the stormtroopers were clones from the Grand Army of the Republic. Plus, clone troopers were humans, just duplicates of Jango Fett. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:42, 21 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * In His Image has details on how Vader chose the new prime clones. From what I saw, he valued loyalty more than skill. Stormtroopers are clones of Jango, clones of other people, and recruits. I think the Empire needed more stormtroopers, and the ones they had were being depleted. Also, Kamino got damaged after the Clone Wars.-LtNOWIS 01:54, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Another thing that may explain the drop in quality from Clonetrooper to Stormtrooper is tightening of the the conditioning applied. The Kaminoans didn't like the ARC troopers, right? They thought it was playing with fire, or something, which is why they froze them to begin with... And in the end, even the regular clones were exhibiting improvised armor mods etc. Clamping down hard on this to stave off another ARC-trooper rebellion would be a natural progression. (Then again, the troopers we saw in the second trilogy were parade-quality troops rather than units who had been in extended combat for months...)--Winchester 14:46, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Their role also shifted from an assault force to an occupation force on many worlds, requiring significantly more stormtroopers. --SparqMan 17:42, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Whats the scources for stormtroopes beeing clones, I read that stormtroopers are normal born humans, recruited like other ,,normal" soldiers, and are only trained and indoctrinated better. --Dark Scipio 20:35, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The fact that some stormtroopers were former clone troopers... Admiral J. Nebulax 21:20, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * But why should all stormtroopers be clones, while only some were fromer clone troopers and scources state, that they are recruited like normal soldiers?--Dark Scipio 15:48, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, not all stormtroopers were clones. Admiral J. Nebulax 15:51, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I recently watched AotC with Lucas' commentary. Durning a scene where Jango Fett is boarding the Slave 1 as it's taking off, if you look closely he hits his head. At this point, Lucas points out that this was done intentionally, and was made to explain why the Storm Trooper on the first Death Star hits his head on the door. He explains that since we see Jango hit his head in AotC, we can assume that it may have been a habit of his, and since the Storm Troopers are clones of Jango, they inherited that clumsiness. I believe he mentions the Storm Troopers being Jango's clones before that, also... as Obi Wan is given the tour of the cloning facility. For some reason I believe he uses the words "All the Storm Troopers are clones of Jango Fett", but I'll have to check again and see if he actually says "All". Of course, the prequels don't entirely fit within the Expanded Universe... but as creator, I would take Lucas' word above all, personally. Would creator's commentary be considered canon though? --Refuse Winst 07:16, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, his words could be canon, but we still can't say they were all clones of Jango. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:01, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, I watched it again last night and his words were more along the lines of (paraphrasing) "Jango couldn't see well with his helmet on and everything, so he would always be hitting his head on stuff. The Storm Troopers then inherited that clumsiness when they were all cloned" something to that effect, which would mean more that all the clones of Jango inherited that, but not that they were all his clones. My mistake.--Refuse Winst 07:31, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the stormtrooper who bumped his head on the Death Star I didn't even have to be a clone of Jango. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 14:38, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

In Allegiance (novel) on page 17 it states that non-clone volunteers joined the stormtrooper corps 9 years prior to the novel's setting (so 8.5 years BBY). I believe this is the first time a date on the integration of non-clones has been set.
 * No; Star Wars: Battlefront II has non-clones joining by 12 BBY. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 14:56, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Playing Battlefront II now for the first time, and it says that they added in new clone templates after the Kamino rebellion, thus diversifying. Was this the part you were referring to? If so, that's not the same as adding non-clone volunteers.
 * There had to be non-clone volunteers in the first place. You can't just create a template and then clone it. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:10, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

What I'm trying to say is that this is the first time that non-clone volunteers joined the Stormtroopers themselves. Previous templates weren't stormtroopers themselves: Jango Fett (bounty hunter), Sa Cuis (Emperor's Hand), Erv Lekauf (Imperial army officer), Barrow Oicunn (Imperial naval officer).
 * You missed my point. They were still volunteers for the job. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:10, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Well they were volunteers, but they weren't part of the stormtrooper corps. That's the point I was going for. The canon sources say that in 8.5 BBY they added non-clones to the stormtrooper corps. That fact is the thing I find most interesting. I think it merits being included in the page, but wanted to get outside opinions before just editing the page.
 * Still have to take the 12 BBY figure into account. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps something saying that new clone templates were added to the stormtrooper corps in 12 BBY, with non-clones volunteers joinging en masse in 8.5 BBY? Vryce 06:02, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Or we just keep it at 12 BBY. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:23, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Appearances

 * It seems a bit ridiculous to me to have an Appearances section in an article such as this, for the same reason the Jedi article doesn't have one; they're pretty much everywhere, at least, in this case, every Imperial-era story. I say we nix it. MarcK 06:45, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe we could have a List of stormtrooper appearances page, and make it work like the Luke Skywalker and the List of Luke Skywalker appearances pages. --Azizlight 03:41, 7 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * That would work nicely. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:45, 7 Nov 2005 (UTC)

I´m going to make that list Hominid 19:34, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow is this topic old... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:03, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Aiming issues
Any good retcons for the famed Stormtrooper inaccuracy? Were the soldiers aboard the Death Star clones of a half-blind man? --SparqMan 03:29, 7 Nov 2005 (UTC) They're just movies after all. Oh, and books, comics, video games etc. Spooner 21:57, 2 Nov 2006 (UTC) I actually don't think it was because of their own sight and/or training, but because of their blaster rifles. I heard that E-11s were powerful but had below-average accuracy. Poor accuracy due to weapons is probably another factor put in the movie to make the Stormtrooper effect seem more logical in it.
 * No need, the two most famous instances were due to orders: Let them escape the DS to lead it to the secret Rebel base and letting them escape Bespin and be picked up by the Executor, if they managed to escape in the first place. The Endor battle was also going fairly well until Chewie highjacked an AT-ST, so even the Ewoks can't really claim superiority if all they had were surprise ambushes. VT-16 09:37, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * There's no way to apply proper Military realism and logic to the Star Wars universe, there are just too many elements to the fiction that don't gel with Military realities. For example, the Stormtroopers quite often fire from exposed positions while standing, they dont appear to aim carefully or use buttstocks on their weapons for greater accuracy, they don't appear to move from cover to cover or make an effort to cover eachother as real life infantry do, and they do things like charge through narrow openings into a room one by one without trying to clear it with grenades or open up a second avenue of attack.
 * It's called the Stormtrooper effect. There's actually a mathematical formula involved to compute just how crappy their aim will get in a given situation.  Jwebb13 HoloNet[[Image:Sith_Emblem.svg|40px]] 04:14, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

To work in
Slave Ship mentions that standard Stormtrooper disciplinary execution was a single blaster bolt to the back of the skull. --SparqMan 07:05, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * That's interesting. Was there any more information on that, or was that all? Admiral J. Nebulax 22:06, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Quote
What is the source of that quote? -- SFH 04:09, 17 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Good question. --AdmThrawn 04:21, 17 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Obi-Wan's "Only Imperial Stormtroopers are so precise" needs to be in there, too. &mdash; Silly Dan  04:38, 17 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I have a suggestion for a quote: "Not that it matters how many stormtroopers die. There must be a factory that stamps them out." -Kirtan Loor, from X-Wing: Rogue Squadron. /Commander Mike 00:10, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm going to add these both in. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 00:11, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Here's a quote not involving a stormtrooper, but pointing out something about them. "Mind Tricks only work on the weak minded." Mind tricks don't work on droids, because droids have mechanical minds, so they can't be mind tricked. In Episode IV, Obi-Wan did a mind trick on that sandtrooper. This is proof that they're humans/clones. If they weren't, Obi-Wan and Luke would have looked like swiss cheese. (that trooper wouldn't let them pass, and they'd be shootin' like heck at Luke and Obi-Wan)
 * That quote is a bit too vague, though. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 11:29, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Conscriptions
Did the Empire conscript soldier by Yavin, They seem to have virtually the same bad aiming and disorderly fighting as a military conscript. QX100 01:38, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, they definitely weren't all the same person as of 0 BBY. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:31, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

Army and Navy
Why are they capitalized? - TopAce 16:59, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Because "Imperial Army" and "Imperial Navy" are proper nouns. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 17:21, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * While we're on the subject, would Stormtroopers then always be capitalized? I usually capitalize the word when I use it on Wookieepedia (when referencing the Imperial soldiers), but I'd like an official ruling for use in editing future articles or for re-editing existing ones.  Jwebb13 HoloNet[[Image:Sith_Emblem.svg|40px]] 04:16, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No. Stormtroopers are the soliders; Stormtrooper Corps is the organization. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 14:36, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright, then. Thank you, sir!  Jwebb13 HoloNet[[Image:Sith_Emblem.svg|40px]] 23:25, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 23:29, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

What's with the BS about the Stormtroopers being Commandos?
The Stormtroopers are just regular Imperial footsoldiers, and they're under the command of their offcers, NOT of Palpatine. Someone rewrite this article, it takes way too much fanfiction as canon. Stormtroopers are not regular footsoldiers, they are distinct from both Army and Navy soldiers. Here is the passage from Domuspublica.net's essay on them containing only official sources and what they state about Stormtroopers:
 * No, it doesn't. If you're unhappy with canon, find another place to file your complaints. The article is completely canon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:29, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The Imperial Sourcebook and Imperial Sourcebook, Second Edition both state that they "support the two arms of the military – assisting the ground forces and the Imperial fleets – but remain apart and separate from these organizations."
 * The Technical Journal of the Imperial Forces mentions that "stormtroopers support the two arms of the Emperor’s military might: the ground forces for land and sea movement and the Imperial fleet in air and space", and that "stormtroopers operate independently of the military and answer directly to the Emperor", having "their own chain of command"; as such, they "follow the Imperial army and navy at their ‘discretion.’"
 * The Official Site’s Databank: Stormtroopers states that "stormtrooper unit organization was separate to that of the Imperial Army and Navy, although this elite unit supported both arms of the Imperial Military."
 * The Revised Core Rulebook states that they "are a separate force from the troops of Imperial Forces and do not answer directly to Imperial military officers."
 * Pax Empirica – The Wookiee Annihilation succinctly states that the stormtroopers are instead the Imperial Marines (as traditional for marine corps, however, a close relationship is maintained with the Navy, the ‘other’ half of the Naval Service; Stormtroopers indicates that "the health of stormtroopers was the responsibility of the Naval Biological group"). VT-16 13:57, 30 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Rather than US Marine Corps, I'd rather compare the Stormtrooper Corps to the German Waffen SS, with their brutal and blind-minded engagment and political impact amongst the regular Imperial Navy and Army soldiers, taking no direct order from the regular army but directly from political command. User:Geopolis

Main quote link issue.
Okay, I think it should be linked because it shows someone how stormtroopers were like droids. Now, Kuralyov disagrees, saying that they weren't alike. But then, why would Vader have said that in the first place if they weren't alike? Not having it linked is stupid, since "mindless automatons" alone are droids. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 00:35, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I want to take Kuralyov's side on this: the quote refers to Stormtroopers, not droids, so why link to droids? If I may be allowed to use hyperbole for a second here, that's almost like putting He is as clumsy as he is stupid on the Admiral Ozzel article, and linking "clumsy" to Jar Jar Binks.  &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 01:12, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Except "clumsy" is not related just to Jar Jar Binks, unlike "mindless automatons" to droids. By having the link in there, it shows how stormtroopers and droid were similar, not that they were the same. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 01:57, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Their similarity is already implied in the quote; it shouldn't be directly linked as that gives the mistaken impression that Vader was indeed talking about actual droids. RMF 02:00, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It's the same even without the link. It still talks about mindless automatons in the quote; what's the difference with it linked? There is none. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 02:01, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * ...I did say "hyperbole" and "almost like".... 8) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:05, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I know. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 02:07, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Jack, putting the link to droids makes the quote seem like it's saying "The Empire can always use more [literal] droids". With the link left out, the reader infers that Vader is alluding to droid/stormtrooper similarities, but not specifically referencing the creation/acquisition of droids. RMF 02:21, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yet isn't "mindless automatons" droids? Having the link doesn't hurt, either. With or without the link, the quote still seems like it refers to droids rather than stormtroopers anyway. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:33, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * One can behave in a manner analogous to "mindless automatons" without being a droid, and this is the key distinction – with the link, it seems like Vader is talking about actual droids; but without it, the reader infers that Vader is in fact discussing stormtroopers. RMF 20:43, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * And how does one make that distinction anyway? Go out and buy the book to check if it talks about stormtroopers or droids? Even without the link, one cannot clearly tell if Vader was talking about droids. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:46, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The fact that it's on the top of a page about stormtroopers is a bit of a giveaway. Kuralyov 20:51, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, and no. If someone sees the quote and thinks it's about droids, they might remove it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:55, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Then isn't that another reason not to include the link? RMF 20:58, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It could just be a reason to remove the quote entirely. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:59, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, instead of dragging this on, I give up. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:37, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Hygiene
Can troopers undress from their armor if they are performing hygiene or sleeping? Most probably yes, but I´ve never seen a trooper take his armor off and have a bath.Has anyone? Please tell me. Hominid 11:11, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's never been described anywhere, to my knowledge, but they wouldn't wear that armor when sleeping or taking a bath. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 11:56, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks Nebulax Hominid 12:25, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. Plus, there's an image of LEGO stormtroopers from LEGO Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy in a spa on what looks to be the Death Star while wearing their helmets. It's on StarWars.com. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:28, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * In star wars young jedi knights they take their armor off to sleep i read about and thought i'd contribute this information -- jedijacob 13:02, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, Jaceb. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 13:04, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * In Hard Contact I remember that taking their helmets off to eat but I do not remember if they mentioned anything else. Darth Sarge 22:02, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Armor removal
Further issues on Hygiene Does anyone know how trooper armor is removed? We all know how Luke and Han stole trooper uniforms in ANH, but just how? My AOTC Visual dictionary says that clonetroopers armor  plates are attached to the black bodysuit through the use of magnetic panels,  but the question is if this also applies  to stormtroopers and how it is done.My theory is that the magnets are either permanent or electromagnetic, but both teories are inprobable, because a)if the magent are permanet it would requrire great physical strength to remove.:D

Other way in would be that the magnets are electromagnetic, but this is even more inprobable, because it has be controlled by  super-hidden switch, which would result in Rebels pushning a button and poof! fearsome stromtrooper is unarmored :D :P What do you think about it? Hominid 14:20, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Stormtroopers have to put it on piece by piece by slipping it on over their heads (after Luke, Han, Leia, and Chewbacca get out of the garbage masher in Episode IV, you can see the armor in pieces). Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 14:25, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Clone trooper armor is also differnt because in republic commando hard contact it can be taken of easly by commando it may be differnt for clone trooper but i dont think so __ jedijacob 14:33, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, we don't know whether it was easy or hard to take off stormtrooper armor. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 15:05, 25 August 2006 (UTC).

How do they eat? I mean, not all of them are clones, some are humans. The only droid stormtroopers are Dark troopers. They have to take those helmets off to eat...right?
 * They take their helmets off to eat. As Luke demonstrates, it's not terribly difficult. -LtNOWIS 02:00, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I know it's an old topic, but I really needed to say this: clones ARE human and therefore they must eat!! Plus, it's shown in AOTC. Klow 12:15, 19 March 2007 (UTC)

Gamorrean Stormtroopers

 * they had Gamorreans as stormtroopers, that was dumb, because they'd be more useless and stupid then there previous bunch. If there was an intruder, they'd be killed in a snap, a quicker snap then the regular snap for the regular stormtroopers. understand? --Jabbathehuttgartogg [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|30px]] [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|30px]] 20:03, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought that was just the Eye of Palpatine being foolish. -LtNOWIS 20:30, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * They weren't really stormtroopers, though. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:01, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * They still needed to be said at some point. So were Tusken raders and Jawas.a little Jawa stormtrooper. Wished that was in a New hope. [laughs]. --Jabbathehuttgartogg [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|30px]] [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|30px]] 23:35, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, they were brainwashed, and I don't think that qualifies as being actual stormtroopers. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 00:05, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't remember Gamorreans being stormtroopers. Sure, they work for Jabba who is in league with the Empire, but...Gamorrean Stormtroopers?
 * Apparently you haven't read Children of the Jedi. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:24, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Weapons
Shouldn't the DLT-19 heavy blaster rifle, the DLT-20A blaster rifle, and the E-web also be featured in this article, since they were featured in both A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back? I understand not featuring the myriad weapons from the extended universe and video games, but shouldn't the weapons used in the movies be identified?
 * Please post topics at the bottom of talk pages. As to your question, yes, they should be mentioned. I'll add them in. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 11:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC)

Quote
"Now, that's a picture, isn't it? The Emperor's stormtroopers setting the example for good manners. Like arming protocol droids with blasters." Isn't that quote from the Star Wars: A New Hope Infinities comic? Is it still considered canon? Or do quotes not affect canon? Jorrel Fraajic 17:55, 17 October 2006 (UTC) Before the Storm:
 * Quotes should be from canon sources. -LtNOWIS
 * Never mind... I guess I was wrong. Just checked it. Jorrel Fraajic 18:02, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I know, it does seem like it's from there, but it isn't. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The part with 3PO and Han right? By any chance, does anyone know where this quote is from? It seems like I've heard it recently but I can't locate it... 71.31.62.247 21:31, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I put that quote in. If I recall correctly, it's from, I believe, Planet of Twilight.  No...  Damn it, I don't recall.--SOCLcomm 21:45, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I've read it before, though I'm not sure where. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:44, 17 October 2006 (UTC)

''Leia nodded. "I'm beginning to wonder if the greatest indignity that the Empire subjected the Yevetha to wasn't holding them to a higher standard of behavior, " she said.''

''"Now, that's a picture, isn't it? The Emperor's stormtroopers setting the example for good manners, " Han said. "Like arming protocol droids with blasters."''

-- Darth Culator  (Talk)(TINC) 14:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, thanks. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 14:53, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

Stormies in space
ok, these aren't spacetroopers in the proper sense. But ANH showed stormies with special space backpacks and similarly, Marvel showed stormies with packs on their backs flying around in space. Where could this info go? JustinGann 01:12, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say put it on the spacetrooper article. Call these the Mark I and make the "regular" kind the Mark II. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:14, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry to revive such an old discussion, but do we know that they're called Mark I's and the others Mark II? It might be the other way around, it might be neither?  Isn't this just conjecture/fanon?--SOCLcomm 22:36, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Legacy Armor
I kind of think they would have beefed the armor up a little, though. In the Civil war era, the armor was only thick enough and protective enough to be cost-effective, since nobody really cared whether the stormtroopers lived or died. I would think that when the Empire turned good they would have done more to protect their soldiers.Darth Ceratis 20:02, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Does anyone else find it odd that the style of Stormtrooper armor changes three times between the start of the Clone Wars and the rise of the Empire, and then it never changes again for the next century and a half?Darth Ceratis 23:53, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Personally, I don't think it's that odd. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 01:14, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Considering it's the only thing to remain exactly the same, especially with the way the Empire completely switched gears and became something totally different?Darth Ceratis 03:58, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the clones went from Republic-good to Empire-bad, so stormtroopers could go from Empire-bad to Empire-good. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:06, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but when the clones went from being Republic good to Empire bad they changed the armor style. stands to reason that if they go from Empire bad to Empire good they'd change again. Especially when you take into consideration that there's plenty of design flaws they'd want to fix.Darth Ceratis 00:49, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, obviously they didn't want to change the armor. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:22, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * But Clone armor is cooler.Darth Ceratis 02:30, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And that's just your opinion. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 03:22, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll admit to that. But it's not only my opinion. And clone armor seems more functional as well.Darth Ceratis 22:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) The entire world could share your opinion, but that wouldn't make it any more than that. 2) That's another opinion. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 01:37, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, if the entire world shared my opinion, I think they'd change the armor by popular demand. Whatever, though, it doesn't really matter that muchDarth Ceratis 02:58, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * True. I guess I should have phrased it differently. ;) Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 15:31, 2 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps there was nothing left to change on the armor. Don't fix something if it isn't broke. Perhaps the armor is at the pinnacle of its development. It seems to function the same in legacy as it does in the other star wars(meaning it still doesnt really work that well). Its probobly the best made crappy armor. Captain Eggzavier
 * Yeah, that would make sense: Cheap, crappy armor. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 01:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Speculation. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:32, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Granted. But does it not seem highly probable? And I would at least think that the new Empire would allow the troopers to customize the color of their armor like the Republic did for the clonesDarth Ceratis 03:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's still only speculation. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:25, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not speculation to think that things don't change over time. Even if it's just the asthetics of it and the change is only superficial, they would have changed the armor sometime over that hundred years. They altered other things like this, they just somehow left the stormtroopers out of their calculations. I think this is just another instance of the Legacy writers thinking things through only halfway.Darth Ceratis 16:50, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Or maybe the armor did change, just not on the outside. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Legacy era stormtrooper armor does indeed give more protection. This was established back in Legacy #0. It's also mentioned on our Stormtrooper armor page. -LtNOWIS 21:59, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, that's good. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:01, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, Okay. That's much better, I'm content now. Although I still think they should be re-imagined for the series, but of course that's just my view and I can live with that.Darth Ceratis 04:25, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * You might want to talk to Thefourdotelipsis. He shares a similar view of Star Wars: Legacy. ;) Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:28, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * But... Do we really know when the ANH stormtroopers armors appeared? Right after the Jedi Purge, so, in 18-17 BBY? Did they directly have the ANH armor? Maybe the O BBY stormtroopers were phase II or III stormtroopers, or something of that kind. It's weird to have an armor identical for more than 19 years while the 2 clone troopers phases occured in a very short timespan. On earth for instance, take a soldier outfit and check how it looks 20 years after. There'll be many differences! So maybe it's different in GFFA. All speculation, I know. ;-) Anyway, we might understand all this with The Force Unleashed and the 2009 TV series (I really hope so). Klow 12:50, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * No point speculating now. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:43, 19 March 2007 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? That it's too early or too late to speculate? Klow 16:26, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

short changed
I noticed that the Dark Trooper is nowhere to be found.
 * There's only one place we could really mention them, and they're already there. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 14:57, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Stormy Armor
Has it occurred to anyone that the reason the armor dose not work as well as it should is because the contract goes to the lowest bidder just like in the US Army?

This means cheaper materials are used, quicker manufacturing techniques are used and less quality inspections are preformed.

I mean It stands to reason that with millions if not billions of soldiers you want to arm the all even if it is cheap and not very effective. - "Awar 19:15, 1 March 2007 (UTC)".

Alien merging
I have added the Alien stormtroopers into this article but kept the alien stormtrooper page intact. My reasoning is that other stormtrooper variants, such as the novatrooper have their own pages as well even though they are mentioned here. I have saved the original copy of this page and alien stormtroopers in case this merge is unacceptable to some of you. Please let me know. Darth Sarge 23:13, 22 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I will give it a few more days and then ill let the originals go...I cant use up to much of the memory on my work pc.Darth Sarge 21:24, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Troopers evolution
I just made this montage: http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9573/troopersevolutionhl3.jpg

Could it be of any use somewhere in the encyclopedia? It could be cool, I don't know... Let me know. But I can't find a proper Phase II clone trooper (I mean, all white) with the head in the right position. Klow 15:49, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It'll probably come in useful at some point. Unit 8311 15:57, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Defections
It seems like troopers are defecting to the Alliance all the time. I guess it's cause of dissillusionment (or whatever) with the empire. but should there be a list of troopers and other Imperial personell who've switched sides?
 * Don't think so. Unit 8311 20:19, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Plastic Boy Quote
In the article under the Armor section, I believe that quote about "I'm takin' you down, plastic boy!" is from Star Wars: Battlefront II. Should this be considered as a canon quote, or just some random quote from the game? It doesn't really seem to fit, either. -- Interrupt feed 21:24, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It's canon enough, but I agree that it doesn't really fit there. -LtNOWIS 21:27, 14 April 2007 (UTC)

Stormtrooper armour
Why do stormtroopers need armour if it doesn't protect them?--Windu223 17:36, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Supposedly, the armor would deflect a glancing blaster shot, but not a direct hit. I think it was mainly the intimidation factor. - JMAS 17:44, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * This was discussed here. -LtNOWIS 01:51, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Ralph McQuarrie Storm trooper
A Action figure was made for the Concept should a image be provided?24.215.171.40 21:09, 30 June 2007 (UTC)

Source for Spaarti Clones as Virtually Mindless?
The section on clones and recruitment states: "clones grown through Spaarti technology were about as effective as mindless battle droids." Is there a source for this? I had thought that Spaarti clones were less effective than Kaminoan clones, but that they were still at least as effective as conscripts. Doluk 19:15, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Voice
Does anybody knows who provided the voices for stormtroopers in episodes IV - VI? 217.76.159.10 20:10, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it wasn't just one person. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:33, 19 August 2007 (UTC)

Behind the Scenes
It says in the Behind the Scenes section that no sources prior to the prequel trilogy indicated that the stormtrooper ranks included clones. This is a common claim, but dead wrong. The fourth issue of Star Wars Official Poster Monthly back in the 70s included an article titled "Soldiers of the Empire!" which describes stormtroopers as clones.