User talk:Menkooro

Archived talk page: 2006 - 2011.

Here's a fresh start!

Re:OOU Layout Guide
Hey Menkooroo, thanks for telling me about your project. I've seen your ideas, and I think there are several good ones in them, but there are a few things I would like to suggest. I would like to point out that I am accustomed to writing smaller OOU articles, such as The Clone Wars web comics and some smaller Tales stories, so my main focus is to have a differentiation between the larger OOUs such as novels and comic series and the smaller OOUs like the ones I mentioned above. You and I both agree the plot summary should definitely be the first section following the introduction, but I'm not sure if it’s a good idea to leave the Conception and Development sections as separate sections, especially if one is writing a smaller OOU article. The only problem with this idea is that smaller OOU articles have very little information available in regards to how they were produced and conceived, so it would likely look better to combine the Conception and Development sections, at least in regards for smaller OOUs. Another thing that came to my attention while reader your proposition is the Main Characters section. In the past, smaller OOUs, especially the ones promoted to GA status don't have Main Character sections, because they are so small, having a Main Character section just seems a little redundant as it just repeats everything that was said in the Plot Summary. Also, there are some few OOUs that don't even have a single main character named, an example being the GA Hoth. I think Main Character sections are better suited for full comic or book series. Finally, as you realize, there are many different types of OOUs out there. I believe that some OOUs, such as films, television episodes, radio shows, or podcasts, must have a Cast section, similar to the one I put in my HoloNet News — Chancellor Palpatine's Approval Rating Falls nom. Also, the music OOUs MasterFred has been doing recently must have a Use section to tell where the music was used. An example would be in Fred’s current nom, General Grievous's Theme. I appreciate the fact you want to have my feedback and what you are doing. We both know we need an OOU layout guide, especially as more and more Users begin to nominate OOUs. We cannot continue to have OOU layouts decided during nominations, and have promoted OOUs that are widely different from each other. I would also like to see a few other users that are or have promoted OOUs in the past included into this conversation, maybe JangFett or MasterFred. Hopefully you actually read this thing and didn’t give up halfway through. Kilson 00:44, March 10, 2011 (UTC) Sorry it's taken me so long to respond. My personal gut instinct is that the Main Characters section should be close to the Plot Summary, but I don't think I have any reason beyond my gut to say it, so I won't raise any objections. I might not be around to actually give a support vote, though; I'm going to be extremely limited in my availability these next couple months. jSarek 11:42, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * After reading over your response, I've decided that a Main Character section is most likely needed for any OOU article, no matter the size. However, there is one more thing I forgot to ask where in your new layout guide idea do you plan to put the Appearances section? I would assume you intend to put it after the Plot Summary section, as that is the consensus now-a-days. Also, I am currently in the process of going through all the OOU articles I have promoted, kept promoted, or am promoting right now, and revising them to fit this new format. This might take some time though. Kilson 00:00, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * I personally like having the Appearances section right after the Plot Summary. The reason I say this is because the Appearances is such a small section now because of the App function that manually reduces it, it is hardly noticeable, so it wouldn't really clutter the main body. I also like it this way since one of the main reasons a User visits an OOU article is to look up what exactly appeared in the OOU, so having the Apperances right after the Plot Summary will greatly help them. Kilson 01:13, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * In the interest of responding to our original discussion regarding this, I think it would be easier for me to give feedback if you were able to write up a rough-draft layout like you had done the first time around. That way I could see what it would look like and then could give my take. Thanks. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:40, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Unidentified Sith trooper (catacombs)
Hey Menk, I'd like to suggest that you take Unidentified Sith trooper (catacombs) to GA status. If you give the article a one or two sentence intro and a P&T section, it'll easily make the 250 word count limit (it's already at 242). Basically, the fact that the article warrants a P&T is enough for me to call the article up for CA status review per the instructions, but it would be much easier for you to just take the article to the GAN (where it would be forced to go anywa once I called it up for review). What do you think? Jonjedigrandmaster ( Talk ) 20:48, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, on the CAN, please make sure to format reviews properly (with a bolded heading led by a # symbol, and each objection listed afterward led by a #*) for ease of reading and page organization. Cheers, Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 22:31, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * For the formatting&mdash;no worries, I understand; just a friendly reminder. :) As for the article: it's not about making an article 250 words solely for the sake of making the article 250 words. It's about the fact that, when possible, all articles should always follow the layout guide. There's been an increasing trend in laziness when it comes to writing CAs recently, wherein articles that should be over 250 words are written with very intentional laziness so that they can just make CA status instead of having to go through the GAN; that's something that is neither desirable nor acceptable. The fact remains that any article that can reach nearly 250 words without being sectioned properly as per the layout guide could easily&mdash;and should easily&mdash;be written correctly per our policy. As such, if you won't section the Sith trooper article properly and put it on the GAN, I am going to have to put it up on the CA review page with this perfectly valid objection. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 00:41, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey Menk, if you have the time, would you mind coming into IRC so that we can discuss this further? Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 01:11, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Quick question
I understand that your concern might be coming from the earlier concern about SW.com's online articles, but CN dataclips are legitimate sources. They offer random bits of information, sometimes even new information, in "data files" that are attached to videos. You might be able to view them if you use a proxy that's based in the US. Cheers,  CC7567  (talk) 05:55, March 12, 2011 (UTC)

Peter Cushing edit
Hey Menk. That IP edit earlier to Peter Cushing was mine. I'm sorry but I'm missing it, what's the problem with the sourcing? Thanks! — Hunter Kahn  15:23, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * No prob! :) — Hunter Kahn  15:24, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * lol I've been there, my friend. Hope you slept well. — Hunter Kahn  15:39, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Oxixo
Hello Menkooroo, although there is no rebelscum.com page yet, the photo I currently use of Oxixo is from the back cover of the box containing the action figures. Should those licensed images be allowed as profile pictures? Hanzo Hasashi 01:47, March 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool, I was hoping it would be alright, given the fact that it's the only licensed photo in existence. Hanzo Hasashi 12:22, March 18, 2011 (UTC)

Arkanians in Legacy 26
Hey, Menk. You seem to be quite familiar with the Legacy comic series, so I was wondering if you could weigh in on something. According to our article for Star Wars: Legacy 26: The Hidden Temple, Part 2, there are Arkanians in the book. I'm assuming whoever added that species to the article's appearance list was assuming the pale-skinned, pointy-eared, pupilless folks are Arkanians. The problem is that they don't match the appearance of either the mainline Arkanians or the Offshoots, since they have five fingers and pale skin (like the Offshoots), and pupilless eyes (like the mainlines). They also have pointy ears like Jarael, but she had those due to Sephi DNA spliced into her by Demagol. So, are they anywhere explicitly ID'ed as Arkanians? I can't find it in the comic itself, but I could be overlooking something. As I expand the Arkanian article, I may have to mention them only in the BTS since duck test doesn't quite apply due to the discrepancies I mentioned here. Thanks for your help! ~ SavageBob 05:20, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey there! There's no explicit confirmation in the comic that they're Arkanians, and it doesn't seem like we got any VIP confirmation in either the Jedi Council Forums thread or the Dark Horse boards thread. I think you're right in that the discrepancies are enough for a bts mention (like the dude with sunglasses in the Red Nebula species article) but probably nothing more without speculation. For what it's worth, there's some disagreement in the JC Forums thread --- some posters were like "Nah, they're probably Nagai or something." Menkooroo 06:44, March 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks for the help! Relegated to BTS they shall be! ~ SavageBob 16:44, March 20, 2011 (UTC)

Adding referenced info reply and War 4 stuff
Yeah, I'll try to do everything right in the future. I needed to catch a bus, so I had no time to do anything more than pasting. And I am SUPER SUPER pumped for War 4. One more week!WIERDGREENMAN 15:07, March 23, 2011 (UTC)

Podcast
Hey Menkooroo, I hate to ask this of you, but could you review my HoloNet News — Chancellor Palpatine's Approval Rating Falls GA nom. It just needs one more User to support it, and it has been sitting like that for four days now. Since you have the most experience with OOUs, I thought you should review it. Kilson 03:57, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Gracias mi amigo. Kilson 04:03, March 26, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey Menkooroo. It would it be too much to ask if you could also review my other OOU currently up, The Clone Wars: Prelude? If you're too busy, it's fine. Kilson 02:54, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

BBY
Ooops. My bad. I thought it was the proper page. Hmm. Also - It was surprisingly difficult to find stuff to update. Theres such a large community here, most of the stuff to link to has already been done! Timeoin 11:48, March 29, 2011 (UTC)

RE:removing links
Thought it would be nicer to remove them, personally I do not feel it looks good when the ratio of hyperlinked words to non-hyperlinked words is kind of high, especially when such articles in question are actually stubs, like those mentioned. Differences in opinion, perhaps I shall remove them only if it gets ridiculous (i hope it never comes to that!). Thanks for the welcome! :) Songjin 02:48, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

RE
OH i forgot i was planning to experiment with sourcing and left it there as like a starter when i had to rush off to do something else SORRY and thank you for pointing that out!! i shall read the guide now! haha cheers! :) Songjin 12:24, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

and about the tense point you raised, what about like.. hmm.. ok analogy time, "there are stars in the galaxy". wouldn't writing in past tense make it seem a little odd? just wanted to pick your brain on this anyway i shall do a little correcting thanks again! Songjin 12:33, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Ah I see! Well that clears things up thank you and have a nice day! :) Songjin 13:08, March 31, 2011 (UTC)

Adventures!
(That word just needs an exclamation mark.) I was pretty sure the "are adventures sources or appearances?" debate had already occurred, so I snooped around. I can't find an actual debate page (a SH or CT), but if I do, I'll let you know. In the meantime, I did find that our Layout Guide already stipulates that adventures are considered appearances: "Bulleted list of films, novels, comics, cartoons, roleplaying adventures, and computer games that the subject has appeared in" (from Layout_Guide). And it's my understanding that this specifically applies to adventures (as opposed to source material), adventure seeds, short fiction within sourcebooks, and campaigns, rather than books like Alien Encounters, which is nothing but background material. At any rate, this isn't a nanny-nanny-boo-boo post by any means; it may be something that needs further clarification in a CT or SH or something. I just wanted to explain where I was coming from. I'm unclear why Tope is considering this particular scenario a source instead, but hopefully someone can explain on the nom page. Excelsior! ~ Savage   21:14, April 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Good find in the layout guide. Let me chew on this one for a while. I can't really think of what else "roleplaying adventure" would entail... hmm.... Menkooroo 04:10, April 14, 2011 (UTC)

R2 meets Wicket
I actually had a T-shirt with that image on it when I was a kid. When I was working on the article, I was surprised it hadn't been uploaded already, so I had to rectify the situation posthaste! :) Thanks for the support, BTW. The pseudo-scientists of the Empire are pleased. ;) ~ Savage   04:12, April 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * I was born a few years after ROTJ came out, but when my family moved into a new home in 1993, the previous owners left a whole bunch of old toys for us, including nearly-complete sets of ESB and ROTJ O-Pee-Chee trading cards. My favourites of the ROTJ bunch were "R2-D2 Meets Wicket" and "Will Han Solo be dinner?" :D Menkooroo 04:17, April 17, 2011 (UTC)

WP:NJO pre-nom
Hey, Menkooroo could you do a pre-Ga nom check on the article Mission to Bimmiel. Also if you can source the info box using Dark Tide I: Onslaught, every time i try to do it it screws up the format GTQ 02:23, April 18, 2011 (UTC)

GAN
Hey, Menkooroo. Just notifying you of a certain change made per objections to the Hudiss nom. Thought it'd be fair if I gave you a chance to respond to this. Thanks. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:19, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Burn it to the ground!
Hey wheres Big Z, or Zaalbar as he's really called if I can I would like to take charge of him for the Burning Darth Needham 21:54, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Good ambition, but Zaalbar's already been FA'd! Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 21:56, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Burn it to the ground!
I did my homework this time and could I write about Ralrracheen, he wasnt on the list so I want to verify its okay Darth Needham 22:41, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't intend to cut out Menk, but I don't think he's online right now so I'll help you out&mdash;you are free to select and work on any Wookiee article you would like to, so long as it isn't already a Featured Article, Good Article, or Comprehensive Article (as these are already considered to be "done"). So yes, Ralrracheen (who is on the list, under "Misc. Wookiees that would be fun FA projects") is an available article. However, I would caution you to only take on an article that you truly think you can improve. Ralrracheen has quite a few appearances in some large novels, and the article will end up being pretty large if done correctly. If you are either unfamiliar with all of Ralrracheen's appearances or do not have access to the works in which he appears, I might suggest that you try another Wook with less content. Menk's done a great job in providing a list of Wookiees with only one or two appearances/sources to their name on the project page, so that's a great place to start looking. Good luck! Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 22:48, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

First of sorry looked around for Rall but didnt see him, second if I do have these books could I take up A easier one first and Co-improve Rall. Darth Needham 22:53, April 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Absolutely. I'm sure Menkooroo or another participant who has access to these sources and more experience in writing and nominating would love to work on it with you. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 22:57, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

For the Ralrra article should I put that he was with the GFFA? Darth Needham 16:44, April 22, 2011 (UTC)

not sure, better ask around.
Do I have the number of edits required to vote and stuff? Darth Needham 03:24, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

Burn it to the ground!
Can you put down the stuff from Vector and Test, the rest are siting in front of me booked marked, no joke. Darth Needham 03:31, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

Vector PRIME, sorry about that, also could you read my skills/abilities and fix it up (I know its not that good-yet) Darth Needham 04:18, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

Wow I was sure it was vector, no sense its not it must be the one thats part of a duologue, whats it called, its like heroes trail I think Darth Needham 04:27, April 24, 2011 (UTC)

Wait I found Trial so its good Darth Needham 20:52, April 25, 2011 (UTC)

Could you do a quick fix me up on Traits/personality and skills/abilities (I know that they're not very good) Darth Needham 04:23, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Hey could you do the funeral, I can get him for Heir, but you'll probably be ably to do Trail better then me. Darth Needham 00:54, April 28, 2011 (UTC)

Yay Wookiees!
Hey Menk, glad to report that Krepauk just passed. I'm not sure how we should show this on the Barn-Burner page, so I'll leave this up to you. Kilson ( Let's have a chat ) 20:33, April 26, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Raith Sienar
Hey Menkooroo! Well, I just noticed some details that were missing. In the "Company man" section, there are several missing links, like "asteroid", "assassin droid" (which has its own article at "Ugly" assassin droid) and "battle droids" (Kol Huro combat droid). About the latter, I believe it should be noted that Sienar "smuggled them past Republic customs ten years ago", as stated in the novel. Pretty minor additions, actually. I wonder if I should've used the "update" tag at all.  Imperators II (Talk) 11:52, April 27, 2011 (UTC)

Andurgo
Thanks for your quick response! Yeah, I checked my issue of War 5 and I noticed it was indeed Crasher. I actually noticed your post when I was on my to correct myself. And thanks for removing that- you're right, I didn't think about it being a spoiler! --The Great and Grand Count Mall!(Bow down before me!) 05:04, May 1, 2011 (UTC)

Syal Antilles Image
That new pic of Syal Antilles looks superb! Thank you so much for putting it in! You're great. MillieMuddFan67 18:09, May 2, 2011 (UTC)

Burn it to the ground!
Hey, sorry I haven't gotten much done lately, can you do his funeral, and I'll cover the mission? Darth Needham 00:29, May 3, 2011 (UTC) It was awhile ago from my last reading of Trail could you get me page #'s or chapters for when he appears? (but I have the book) Darth Needham 23:15, May 3, 2011 (UTC)

FROM MY POINT OF VIEW the article doesn't look good at all.
Hey, its me. I've got some problems and answers (sort of). If you visit Rallrra, you'll see I made the part about the funeral, also I tried to get the Fact Files from Borsk but he hasn't sent them yet. Darth Needham 03:58, May 6, 2011 (UTC)

Sinister Wookiees
Yo. Few things: Rorworr (Naboo) was delayed from an April 1st airdate to May 20th, so it's cool if you want to get someone to delay it again and be part of Wookiee Week, if there is going to be one. Kerrithrarr has been put on indefinite hold, as I don't really want to write a P&T or get mycontext more consistent, right now. If someone was to hit up Frorral, do you think every mention of Page's commandos would need inclusion? Multisource RPG characters are kinda awkward to write. (I'm still considering adding the Tempest Feud adventure to Rorworr, since I learned he was on the cover). SinisterSamurai 01:46, May 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey there! One very important thing I learned about Page's Commandos when I was writing Page last year is that it's actually pretty common for only small detachments of the group to go on a mission. In The Saga Begins, for example, Page only takes a few of his team with him, and in Gottu and His Vibroaxe, Page himself isn't even on the mission. So for Frorral, a mission wouldn't need inclusion unless the Wookiee was explicitly confirmed to be there. Menkooroo 02:25, May 7, 2011 (UTC)

Re:prenom
Hey, Menkooroo I made all of your changes for the prenom but the quote and since a have that book in e-book that will take a while is there anything else i should do or is that it? thanks so much for the help GTQ 03:07, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

Stazi Images
Thanks for the images Jeff! I really appreciate your help. Please feel free to review the article and make any edits/changes you feel are needed. Since Stazi was a previously approved FA in the past, I am hoping that with a proper update that any renomination will be a quick slam dunk. AdmiralNick22 14:52, May 8, 2011 (UTC)

A question
Hello Menkooroo, considering how you've supported several of my CA and GA noms in the past, and also answered a similar question about Maer and Airten, I have a question about a couple of my current projects, Alain (Human) and Precht. Is there any proof that either of them fought the 501st during the Devastator takeover during the beginning of ANH? The CSWE does not explicitly mention that, however their photos do seemingly show them in battle, or at the very least, aiming their weapons. When I make the CA noms, should I write that they took part in that battle with the 501st, or is that too speculative, and I should simply say they were part of the Tantive IV crew by 0 BBY? Hanzo Hasashi 18:58, May 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the input. Hanzo Hasashi 03:28, May 9, 2011 (UTC)

Itchy
Hey, Menk. Based on your work on Lumpawaroo, I'm guessing you got a good handle on what sources mention Attichitcuk as well. Did you update his article with sources you found as you were working through Lumpy's? I'm toying with the idea of writing Itchy up for the barn-burner, but I'm curious what I'd be getting myself into. :) ~ Savage   04:50, May 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey there! I've just gone and updated his source list now. It's as complete as I'll be able to make it. Some notes: The Essential Chronology mentions Lumpy in the context of the rescue mission to the Koornacht Cluster, and as far as I know doesn't mention Itchy at all. The New Essential Chronology has been listed in Itchy's sources list for a while, so maybe it mentions something about one of the early battles for Kashyyyk that take place pre-The Phantom Menace in Galactic Battlegrounds. Not sure. I have the second edition of A Guide to the Star Wars Universe at home in Canada, and I extensively checked it when I was home in January but I couldn't find anything anywhere on any member of Chewie's family. I think Culator and/or Cav can help you out with the first edition. Complete Locations is listed in his source list, so I assume that Inside the Worlds of Episode III should be there by extension. I have all of the Insider articles if you need info from them, save for Wasaka Berries and Monster Ships. Axinal gave me a lot of info on Lumpy from it, but there might be a little bit more on Itchy. Probably not. Let me give you what I have before you ask him. The Art of Revenge of the Sith seems to be a three-article series from three different Insider issues, so it might be tricky to track all three down and figure out which one mentions him.

As far as actual appearances go, I think that Galactic Battlegrounds, Star Wars: Chewbacca 1, and the Holiday Special are the only Itchy ones with a lot of meat in them. In Tyrant's Test, Rebel Dawn, The Wookiee Storybook, and in The New Jedi Order, he's always just kind of lurking in the background. Youtube walkthroughs would be your best bet for Battlegrounds. Let me know if you need any sources at all; I'm well-versed in Chewie's family thanks to the Lump. :) Menkooroo 04:33, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sweet, thanks for the insight! I think I may do him at a later time; I want to do an FA Wook for the barn-burner, but I think Itchy may entail more effort than I can devote at the moment. I'm tempted to do Merumeru but I think it'd be ideal if each of the "Welcome to Wookieepedia" dudes was done by someone different. I'm thinking maybe Snoova instead, but who knows. At any rate, someone should do Itchy eventually! ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 03:56, May 13, 2011 (UTC)

Vima
Hey Menk,

A while back you left a message on my talk page that you were planning to write up Vima Sunrider. Are you still planning to? Because if not, I'd like to write her up sometime soon.  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 01:55, May 12, 2011 (UTC)

Eugroothwa
Hey, what source identifies the actor who played Eugroothwa? I need to add it to the footnote of Guanta about which actors he was not. ~ Savage   04:55, May 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * The Wookiees are Back, per our discussion here. You actually already have it in the footnote. :) Menkooroo 05:07, May 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * D'oh, OK. Thanks! ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 05:18, May 14, 2011 (UTC)

Yo
Hey Menk,

Check your email. —Tommy  9281  Sunday, May 15, 2011, 14:15 UTC

Alternative Outcomes
Hiya Menk! So, remember you advised me to remove the "alternative outcomes" header? Well, Toprawa is asking me to add a header. I'm not really sure what happens in a situation like this, so maybe you could work it out with him or something. Have a great day, Bonslywizard   ( Send a transmission ) 00:24, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

could you help me.
I want A picture of Plo Koon for my user box but I just don't get it could you tell me how please, it would help a lot. Darth Needham 03:09, May 20, 2011 (UTC)

Re: User talk: Xd1358
Hey. I saw your message on Xd1358's talk page and spotted the problem immediately. The problem wasn't with the template, but rather your usage of it. You were using the old  parameter, which isn't used by the template anymore. Instead, use  to eliminate the quote marks and italics (the same thing that was accomplished by the old nqx parameter), or   to automatically replace the regular quotation marks with translation marks. Hope that helps. :)  Master Jonathan &mdash; Jedi Council Chambers Sunday, May 22, 2011, 05:07 UTC
 * Awesome, thanks. It looks like the updated fix you made of line1=trans, etc, is much simpler, so I'll probably stick with that. :P Menkooroo 05:17, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Guanta
Thanks for bringing this to my attention, Menk. I've taken care of the unstruck objection. Also, I figured I'd take the opportunity to thank you for your help in resolving the issue over the placement of the Illustrated Screenplay. Grand Moff Tranner (Comlink) 10:56, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Wurokkk
I'm not sure how to use the Eras tag as the sourcebook is applicable to all eras. MasterFred (Whatever) 13:22, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

Comprehensive article objection
Hi Menk you have an objection on my CAnom Merumeru's battle staff which i believe I have addressed sorry if I am being a little impatient thanks GTQ ( Problems? ) 22:01, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

RE: Template
No problem, that is a habit of mine. Feel free to add it where you see it, and thanks for the head's up.  —Tommy  9281  Friday, May 27, 2011, 15:37 UTC 

Fel Empire
Alright then, but why don't you revert the other updates to the Galactic Alliance page, Second Imperial Civil War, etc.? If the "Galactic Federation" is an entirely new entity, then shouldn't it have its own page instead of being referred to as the "reconstituted" Galactic Alliance? After all, you said that the new Galactic Government is not the GFFA.JRT2010 15:10, May 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I assumed that the "Galactic Federation" was just the Galactic Alliance restored back to its former glory, mainly because of the GA's official name (Galactic Federation of Free Alliances), but also because that's how others seemed to interpret it. But if it was the Galactic Alliance, then the writers would have probably just called it that. I'm still not completely sure if the Federation is something entirely new, but you make a good point. One thing that bothers me though is the fact that Marasiah Fel was referred to as "Empress." That's also why I thought that the Fel Empire was restored, and likewise the Galactic Alliance as well. If the remnants of both the Empire and the Alliance have been combined into the Galactic Federation, then what exactly is Marasiah the Empress of?JRT2010 18:08, May 28, 2011 (UTC)

CAN archiving request
Hello Menkooroo, although I know anybody can archive a CAN, SavageBob messaged me in March telling me it is not encouraged for users to archive their own noms. That said, can you archive the following noms : Precht, Nala Hetsime, Ururur? Yesterday, I was okay with them being one day late after enough votes and no outstanding objections, but now after two days it has just sort of bothered me. Thanks. Hanzo Hasashi 20:52, May 29, 2011 (UTC)

Wookiee barnburner issues
Hey Menk, it seems the barn-burner was too successful! MJ's template, which we use to display the articles passed by the barn-burner, can only display up to 32 articles, but the barn-burner's 33rd article just passed, Unidentified Wookiee mercenary (Aurodium Sword). If you try entering that article into the template, you get an error message. Someone will likely need to restructure the page, so I contacted you because you're the head of the project. Any ideas? Kilson ( Let's have a chat ) 02:49, May 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I've expanded the template to take an 15 additional articles. If the CSS for columns ever becomes supported by all major browsers (*coughInternetcoughExplorercough*), I could set up the template to take a nearly unlimited number of articles (which would also have the useful side effects of removing the white borders around the table cells and de-bloating the template code), but until then, we're stuck with table formatting and a limited number of articles. At any rate, the template can now take 47 articles with a category link or 48 without. Don't hesitate to drop a note on my talk page if you need more than that; the process of expanding the template is fairly simple for someone (like me) that understands the code.  Master Jonathan &mdash; Jedi Council Chambers Monday, May 30, 2011, 03:49 UTC

Inqmoot XLII
Hey Menkooroo,

Inqmoot 42 has been scheduled for June 19th. Your presence is requested, but if you are unavailable, please remember to leave notes. Thanks,  —Tommy  9281  Wednesday, June 1, 2011, 02:05 UTC 

Re:The Inner Circle
As far as I can tell, neither of the two remaining individuals has been canonically named, and I doubt that we have an article on either of them, given their obscurity. Grand Moff Tranner (Comlink) 15:44, June 1, 2011 (UTC)

IRC
Hey Menk,

Are you able to come to IRC?  —Tommy  9281  Wednesday, June 1, 2011, 21:44 UTC 

I'm back
Sorry I haven't been doing Much on Ralla but I've been off for a while, anyway how much more work do you think he needs before you or I nominate him for good status? Darth Needham 18:32, June 6, 2011 (UTC)

Orlopp!
Hey, Menk. I'm working on the Jenet article, and I had a quick question for you. In the novel Tempest, is Orlopp allied with the GFFA or is he an enemy? Sounds like he works for Caedus, so that makes him an enemy right? But his article here says he's with the Alliance. My novel EU knowledge gets quite then as soon as the Yuuzhan Vong stuff starts, but I know you're a bit more up to speed. Thanks for your help! ~ Savage   01:02, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that makes sense! I was confused, and you clarified things. In the article, when I mention Orlopp's job as the son of Solo's assistant, do you think it's more appropriate to refer to the Human as Jacen Solo or Darth Caedus? Since Orlopp's position is officially something related to the GFFA, it should be Jacen Solo, right? ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 01:55, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Crap, I forgot that I was supposed to reply here. Sorry. Jacen is still publicly known as Jacen Solo in Tempest and Inferno, but he's Darth Caedus in Invincible, which takes place after he reveals his identity as a Sith Lord to the public. Also, a quick question for you: Is there anything on Weazel in Chronicles: The Prequels? Menkooroo 02:24, June 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries, thanks for the help with sorting out Orlopp's role! As for Weazel, I can't find any sign of him, either in text or images. ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 02:51, June 9, 2011 (UTC)

Congrats
Congrats on becoming an Inq, Menkooroo! Any policy changes I should be aware of here?&mdash; 02:40, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Insider 62
Hey Menk, here's what I found:

On the third page of "Return to Endor", which is page 48, paragraph 2: "Davis has become a Star Wars icon, playing thre roles in The Phantom Menace." In the next paragraph, after describing how Davis acquired his role as Wicket: "Since then, nearly all characters he has played for Lucasfilm have begun with "W," including Weazel and Wald in The Phantom Menace, and Willow in Ron Howard's fantasy film of the same name. The Ewok Adventure continued this trend, giving wicket three siblings: Widdle, Weechee, and Winda; a fourth sibling, Willy, was added for the Ewoks cartoon. "I made a big list of names that begin with W," Davis joked, "and submitted it to George so he's always got inspiration for future characters for me."" So Weazel is mentioned directly, and while it isn't clear whether or not his name came from that list given to Lucas by Davis, the character's name is at least somehow related with the W trend. Hope this helps, and please let me know if I can be of further assistance. Cheers!&mdash; Axinal  Convocation Chamber 21:40, June 10, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Sim
Interesting. Unfortunately, I don't think anyone really knows who played Aloo; I've seen a lot of speculation, but nothing from any official Star Wars sites. Grand Moff Tranner (Comlink) 20:18, June 11, 2011 (UTC)

NTB-630 naval bomber

 * Hi, Menk. I rewrote the NTB-630 naval bomber article and have some questions to you. First can you give the article a review before I nominate it for GA? And second could you possible help me with the archivation of the (failed) CA-nom? I have no experience in this case, so any help would be appriciated. Thanks for your time.  Clone Commander Lee  Talk 17:59, June 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot. You can review him now.  Clone Commander Lee  Talk 18:04, June 15, 2011 (UTC)

Friggin' Hardwick!
Hey, Menk, check out my last edit to Clantaani: here. I thought about it, and Hardwikk's capture needs to go between the templates, I think, because the scenario is assuming he is captured (the more lucrative outcome) rather than killed. In other words, from CSWE, we know Fett got a bounty on him, but per our game mechanics policy, we are supposed to assume it was the best scenario for the player that went down, which, in this case, is a capture rather than a kill. Hence putting him back in the template. I tried to clarify this in the BTS. Take a look, and let me know if it needs more tweaking or needs to be reverted to the older version. I swear I'm not just trying to be a butt about this! :) ~ Savage   05:40, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * If the CSWE confirms that Jango captures him, then that info should appear in the bio and outside of the gamemechanics template in some form. Keeping the best scenario inside the gamemechanics template is fine, but if something is definite canon, it needs to be presented as definite canon instead of maybe canon. Menkooroo 05:44, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * CSWE confirms that Jango Fett got the bounty on him, but it doesn't mention whether this was the dead or alive version of the bounty. That's where the game mechanics are needed. I honestly don't think it's worth it to have the line, "Jango Fett subdued Hardwikk [game mechanics] by capturing him [game mechanics] and then..." Instead, I think the BTS note is sufficient. There are examples of canon stuff being in game mechanics template; the template merely indicates that things went down the "best" way possible. But let me know if you really want the bit about Hardwikk's bounty being claimed outside the template, and I'll see what I can do. ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 05:52, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and did it to not go against the FAN result. I strongly prefer it the other way and think it would be fine with the explanatory BTS note, but I'm cool with it how it is. Think it over, and leave it or change it back as you see fit. At any rate, I really do appreciate your review and patience as we talked this matter out! ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 06:48, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, "Fett neutralized Longo Two-Guns's men one by one. He first captured Wint in a docking bay." was unsourced. I threw in a ref to Bounty Hunter at the end, but definitely change it if it's supposed to be the strategy guide or something. Menkooroo 07:02, June 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Whoops; good catch. Either the strategy guide or the game will work there, so thanks. ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 07:04, June 16, 2011 (UTC)

IRC
Hey Menk,

Is it possible to meet me in IRC at your earliest convenience please? Thanks,  —Tommy  9281  Thursday, June 16, 2011, 23:37 UTC 

NOTOC?
Hello, I am just curious, what exactly is "" and when should I use it? Thanks in advance.-- Exiled Jedi   (Greetings)  20:31, June 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I always wondered what that was exactly.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  11:04, June 19, 2011 (UTC)

Bomber

 * NTB-630 naval bomber is nominated as a GAN. Could you please give him a review if you find time? Thanks a lot.  Clone Commander Lee  Talk 19:04, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * No problem, I'm looking forward for it.  Clone Commander Lee  Talk 17:43, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Re: Balith Civil War
Hello Menkooroo, I pretty much only realized my error after the page was created. I don't know how I overlooked that. I carefully looked through the whole CAN page, and thought I got all the ones with both enough votes and no outstanding objections. Oh well, guess I mistakenly archived one of them. Was your objection at least satisfied though? After seeing my mistake and your outstanding objection, I looked at the article, and it appeared the nominator at least satisfied it. I won't make this mistake again. Hanzo Hasashi 02:16, June 20, 2011 (UTC)

Re:CAN you believe it?
Hey Menk, thank you for pointing that out. My objections have been struck. Cheers!&mdash; Axinal  Convocation Chamber 03:10, June 23, 2011 (UTC)

Bultar Swan
Hello Menkooroo, just wanted to give you a heads-up that the Star Wars Character Encyclopedia has an entry on Bultar Swan. As far as I know, it doesn't seem like there's any new info, but just wanted to let you know. Hanzo Hasashi 20:45, June 25, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Source hunt
As far as Behind the Magic goes, I believe the only image of any advisors is this advertisement, but don't quote me on that, since I don't have the CD. I do have access to Insider 89; I can check that later on in the day. For the Starships & Vehicles Collection, the cover has the image of the advisors, so that alone should be enough (I don't have this in my possession, either). I had to call in a favor for the Art of Episode VI as well, so I can't help with that one. Grand Moff Tranner (Comlink) 15:39, June 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * It took a little longer than I expected to find Insider 89, but it turns out my memory was correct - it does contain the group shot of all the advisors aboard the Death Star. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 16:54, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Tall-Hatted Advisor
Couldn't think of a corny joke as a title, but as I don't have the Encyclopedia, can't say. I just saw that on its article here. Looking at the history, the user Augie Ben Doggie added it originally. You could also ask Sompeetalay, who has updated Yodapedia articles with info from this source. Hanzo Hasashi 03:52, June 30, 2011 (UTC)

Battle of Grassy Plains
Hi there, did you have any plans to work on Battle of Grassy Plains? I was going to give it a copy-edit before I realized it was already a FAN. If you don't have any plans, I own some of the sources and can give the article an expansion. Corellian PremierAll along the watchtower 18:50, July 1, 2011 (UTC)

Prenom?
Hello Menkooroo, not sure if you do prenoms or not, but can you do a prenom for Midge, assuming the CSWE has no new information, and I've gotten every appearance for the character? I still wouldn't yet be immediately taking it to the GAN, but at the very least I definitely have the bulk of his info, assuming if the CSWE has an entry it doesn't have any drastically new info. Thanks! Hanzo Hasashi 14:15, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! I personally doubt any of the ones in the manga are identifiable. Here's the other quality articles from the same scene that I know of, along with their adaptation appearances. I know Palso Thern also appears in Return of the Jedi (Disney book-and-record), Orrimaarko and Delevar apparently just appear in ROTJ themselves, and Walex Blissex is in the Return of the Jedi Storybook. Hope that helps you. Hanzo Hasashi 14:26, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Satisfied with the objections? Hanzo Hasashi 14:56, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you think it's ready for the noms page? Hanzo Hasashi 15:46, July 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey Menk, now that it's a nomination page, can you also vote for it? Thanks. Hanzo Hasashi 18:26, July 8, 2011 (UTC)

New Picture for Luke.
Did your vote to gve Luke Skywalker's page a new image actually do anything? Because the vote was tied, and the picture remains the same.--VideoGamePower 01:54, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

You Go Boy
This was entirely too appropriate. At any rate, I commend your efforts; you have demonstrated an ability to move the masses for the greater good of the site, and I could not ask for more from a such a well-seasoned and respected Wookieepedian. Thank you my friend, keep up the good work.  —Tommy  9281  Saturday, July 9, 2011, 11:29 UTC 

Thanks
THanks for the info on the concensous (or however you spell it.)--VideoGamePower 16:40, July 9, 2011 (UTC)

Nek
Blimey - not sure how I missed that. My online time has been restricted of late, but I would never have left it so long usually. Thanks for the heads up - I'll get to work on it asap. - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 23:14, July 10, 2011 (UTC)

Yutani
Hello Menkooroo, I have Yutani in mind as another upcoming project. In terms of appearances, does he appear in the PhotoComic? I know he is not visible in the storybook. Also, does he have a CSWE entry? My guess is not, but would like to know for sure. Thanks. Hanzo Hasashi 14:57, July 11, 2011 (UTC)

Weyland-Yutani
Hello Menkooroo, Yutani's ready for a prenom. Thanks in advance. Hanzo Hasashi 19:40, July 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yutani's nominated. Hanzo Hasashi 17:15, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

Mara Jade
Hey, would you mind telling me why you thought the article was too crowded when I added an image of her lightsaber? The way it was set up, it looked prefectly fine in relation to the text, and was no more crowded than the equipment section.  Ruthless Xero (Comment) 17:16, July 13, 2011 (UTC)

AC redux?
Hello Menkooroo, I know that the AC redux page exists for any articles that have undergone updates since they originally became good articles. Do you think Grond (Imperial) would fall under this category, and need review? Compare the way it was when it initially became good with the way it is after Leland Chee has confirmed his ROTJ Death Star appearance. Hanzo Hasashi 18:32, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I felt like asking you because of your experience on this website, and for the help you've always been willing to give me. Personally I feel like I handled the updating well, and believe it should be still good. By the way, just a reminder to vote on Yutani's nom. Thanks! Hanzo Hasashi 03:50, July 14, 2011 (UTC)

Behind the Magic
Hello Menkooroo, is Yutani in any way mentioned or pictured in Star Wars: Behind the Magic? If so, is there any actual new information? I would doubt any new info, but unsure about appearance in the said source. Hanzo Hasashi 03:27, July 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks anyhow. It is quite a surprise that another user is objecting to a nom Toprawa supported. :O Hanzo Hasashi 04:14, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

Essay
Hey Menk,

In effort to continue the chronicling of our FA history, I am asking and encouraging you to record your personal FA statistics here please, when time permits. Any questions, don't hesitate to ask, and thanks.  —Tommy  9281  Friday, July 22, 2011, 07:15 UTC 

He's a helluva rotten guy
OK, sorry for the delay! I actually can't find any mention of Elis Helrot in AGTTSWU 3rd ed. Do you happen to know he's there for a fact? If all you wanted was a sweep for info for him, I'm going to declare this not a source for the dude. Otherwise, I'll check again if you now specifically where he's supposed to be mentioned. ~ Savage   19:43, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope, it was just a hunch. If there was no entry on him, then I think we can safely declare a nada. Thank you for checking! And no worries about the delay; I really appreciate that you were able to check at all when it was buried away in a box. Menkooroo 04:33, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries! It was at the top of the box, so you were in luck. ;P ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 12:33, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Re: failed RFAnoms
Hey Menk, thanks for keeping me up to date on things! Cheers, Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 01:35, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

CAN archiving error
Hello Menkooroo, a while back in February, I erroneously archived several CAN's that did not have enough votes to pass, as you can see here. As I said in that original message, I mistakenly thought they did have enough votes to pass, don't know what happened that day. However, IIRC, all of them also had your votes from before you were part of the EC, so if they were still around and with no oustanding objections when you became one, they would have been ok to archive. Olioster never responded to my response; should they, now months later, be undergoing CA review, or can those mistakes be let go? Hanzo Hasashi 03:08, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Added. Hanzo Hasashi 14:32, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

That pesky CT
Hey Menk, I just wanted to start a dialogue with you because there's some sort of disagreement or confusion over that CT. It may be on my part alone, but that's all the more reason for me to try and discuss the problem with you, and perhaps either clarify the policy or work to make it more accepting. I read the original CT when it was active, but looking back, I was either voting because I was unclear on the full requirements of the policy, or short-sighted in regards to what the policy pertained to. In essence, I agree with it, but I feel like authors shouldn't be encouraged to detract sources from their article, but should instead simply not be required to add non-unique internet links to it. Let me know what you think, I'd love to pick your brain on the subject. Also, I'm looking forward to your Sacking of Coruscant review; thanks for checking it out. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 16:13, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * No no no, you didn't come off too strongly at all&mdash;don't worry about that. I see what your saying though, and it does help to see the similarities between interviews and forum posts, but I would assert that interviews that are given their very own dedicated online article are still sources. Instead of being similar to forum posts, I would assert that they are more like Insider articles&mdash;they aren't all unique, but we are all still considered to be sources, regardless of the quality of the article's content. Forums, on the other hand, are open discussion. While they may be hosted by official sites, the posts are not official publications or releases, as an article is. Do I think we should mandate the inclusion of all SW.com articles? Nah. Like I said, stuff like this shouldn't be in Darth Maul's sources list, and this shouldn't be in Cad Bane's. However, I believe that if something is at one point considered to be a source of information, like a first mention in an interview, then it is always a source for information&mdash;new sources don't detract from the credibility and "officialness" of the first source. How we would handle that moving forward is something that I'm not certain about.  Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 17:35, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * No worries, and take your time. But most importantly, enjoy your vacation!! Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 05:44, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Sergeant Red
Hello Menkooroo, can you give me your input with my recent cleanup of Wallen, mainly the last sentence in the bio? Thanks. Hanzo Hasashi 14:31, August 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. :) Hanzo Hasashi 14:36, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

Wedge
Hey Menk. You have addressed some of my previous objections to Wedge. DO you think you could have a go at the one I have up there now? --Eyrezer 12:04, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Re:Nek
Sory, I was very busy. Anyway I'm really glad the article has FA status (now more updates come with Ascension)!-- ID-21 Dolphin  (Talk) 03:33, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

CA review
Hello Menkooroo, I believe all the CA reviews are acceptable to archive now. Hanzo Hasashi 17:39, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Prenom
Hey Menkooroo, can you give a prenom for Brooks Carlson? Thanks. Hanzo Hasashi 17:00, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, do you know any online link to the promotional photo of Carlson with other commandos? Hanzo Hasashi 03:42, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Rogues Gallery
Back in 2000, Star Wars Insider did a poll where they asked fans to choose which of various OT characters they'd like to see made into an action figure. There's a gallery of 24 images, some with one person in them, some with two, but it includes folks like Elis Helrot, Wioslea, Feltipern Trevagg, and others. I'm on the fence about whether we should list this thing on all of their pages; it does indeed include a photo and an ID for each of them, but it's not a proper article, either; it's a contest/poll. Since you're working on Helrot, I thought I'd ask you what you thought. Make an article for, or leave it be? ~ Savage  22:11, August 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... it seems like "The Last Page" was a regular feature in Insider at that time. We (the community) regularly add Scouting the Galaxy and Ask Lobot to Sources sections, so this seems, IMO, to be fair game too. In such a case, I think we would just need to create The Last Page rather than The Last Page: The Rogue's Gallery, as features like Ask Lobot and Blaster have one general Wook article that covers every issue they appear in. Thanks for the info! I'll return the favor: Every (or maybe just most) issue of Star Wars Tales has a comical intro featuring cartoon versions of the editors interacting with SW characters. The intro to Star Wars Tales 23 is part of a mini-series called something like "The Adventures of Jeremy Barlow" that runs throughout a few issues. In Issue 23, there's a Lamproid in it. I'm not sure if we should create an article for the non-canon story "The Adventures of Jeremy Barlow (I'll confirm the name :P)", or if simply "Star Wars Tales 23 intro" should be added to Lamproid's Non-canon appearances list, like so. Whaddya think? I'll e-mail you a scan of the page later today so you can check it out for yourself. Menkooroo 03:36, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, I stubbed "The Last Page." I only know of it being in #48, but hopefully folks will fill in with more details. And I'll keep an eye out for that non-canon Lamproid piece! My guess would be to treat it like any other story, and create a page for the whole "Adventures of Whoever" title. By the way, if anyone deserves to be made into an action figure, it's this guy, who I just GAN'ed at your suggestion. ;) ~ Savage BOB sig.png 04:21, August 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Does this mean we get to create an article for Jeremy Barlow, the IU character? :D I smell a future project. Menkooroo 05:54, August 9, 2011 (UTC)

Nessus says thanks
Hey awesome to hear back from someone who knows what they are doing around here. Hope this is the correct way to converse with you as I am VERY new to this forum/wiki.

Certainly glad to help in any way I can and am looking forward to being a very active and hopefully important member one day.

I have recently been reunited with my fervor for Star Wars and have been amassing as much knowledge and material on it as i can. I recently have purchased several comic series and "Tales" novels and look forward to checking up on and creating anything that is not listed from them in the current wiki databases. =D Please let me know if I can assist you in any way or if you have any good guidelines to follow because I do not want to cause any issues with my work and would love to have someone I know that understands what is going on here. thanks again --DarthNessus 06:22, August 11, 2011 (UTC)DarthNessus Aka Stephen

We're halfway there
So guys, we're nearing the halfway point with this barn-burner. I just want to send out a broad message thanking everyone who has and plans on participating in Wookieepedia's second barn-burner, and update you guys on how it's going so far. So far, we have promoted nine Comprehensive Articles, twelve Good Articles, and one Featured Article! Fantastic job everyone who wrote and reviewed those weapons articles, I couldn't have asked for a better group to do so. We also have a number of current Good and Featured Article Nominations currently up, which you can see here.

However, as we approach the halfway point, I do want to encourage you all to keep writing and reviewing weapon articles for the barn-burner. Our goal should be to meet or surpass the level set by the previous barn-burner, which had over forty promoted articles. While we should aim to pass as many articles as possible by the end of the month, I may extend the barn-burner a little into September for any stragglers, especially for those Users who are writing extremely long Featured Articles for the project.

I should also notify participants of a recent Consensus Track over weapons that is about to pass. The CT is over when we should fill in the "Owners" field for Template:Weapon. Right now, it seems as if we are leaning towards filling in the field for unique weapon types, and not filling in the field for general weapon types. As such, we should fix any weapons we have, or will, write for the barn-burner to fit these new parameters. Thanks you for reading this, and keep up the good work. Kilson ( Let's have a chat ) 09:37, August 15, 2011 (UTC)

Helrot in ANH
Hey, Menk. I noticed you changed Elis Helrot to say he doesn't actually appear in ANH. Do you not agree with this site that he's visible behind Greedo? It's hard to tell without my DVDs handy, but what do you think? ~ Savage  21:25, August 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope. Helrot was part of the supplemental shooting, which was limited to the aliens sitting in the booths. Han and Greedo's scene would have been earlier, during primary shooting, which was over before Rick Baker even began constructing the supplemental-shooting masks. Not sure who that random blob is, but thanks for helping with the hunt. :) Menkooroo 02:48, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Weren't Greedo's closeups part of supplemental shooting too? I know there are two sets of Greedo hands, for instance, because George was unsatisfied with the Human-like hands used during the England-based shooting. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 03:05, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Check here -- it was the mask articulation Lucas didn't like, but Greedo scenes were indeed filmed in both England and California. So that could be Elis... ~ Savage BOB sig.png 03:08, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, interesting. Still, that thing next to the Duro is really just a blob... I don't see any reason to assume it's Elis rather than anyone else. Menkooroo 03:28, August 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Watching the scene on youtube (seven minutes in) doesn't seem to confirm anything, either. The back of the character's head looks like it could be Helrot, or maybe a Bith, or possibly even Myo with weird lighting. The absence of the white towel around the neck casts doubt on Helrot... I don't think we can say anything in the bts about it without speculating, but I'll make sure that the earlier sentence in the bts specifically says that Helrot doesn't appear in the film while at Feltipern's table. Thanks for bringing it to my attention, though. Menkooroo 03:52, August 18, 2011 (UTC)

Jacen
Hey Menk, I see you've been taking care of objections to Caedus, and thought I'd inform you that there are outstanding objections dating July 28. Just a heads-up in case you want to fix them in Havac's absence&mdash;it would be a shame to have it voted off the FAN page now. Cheers. 1358 (Talk)  19:16, August 19, 2011 (UTC)

Jedi Symbol/Logo
Hey- I have a request. I was looking into finding information about the Jedi Logo, but i haven't been able to find anything. I thought about making a page, but i was wondering- is there even enough information to make the page? please look into this. Thank You!

ObiKenobiUPC 02:36, August 20, 2011 (UTC)ObiKenobiUPC