Talk:Darth Zannah

Dispute over identity

 * I would like sources provided to prove to KFanII that the two are not identical, so that we may end this dispute quickly and quietly. -- Riffsyphon1024 04:37, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * As can be seen in this article, Zannah is female. As can be seen in Darth Andeddu's sole appearance (in Star Wars: Republic) - he is male. QuentinGeorge 04:42, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC

KFanII, for the last time. Zannah is NOT Darth Andeddu. QuentinGeorge 04:21, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If they're not the same, what is Zannah's Sith name? I fyou can say this, this arguement will be over and we'll put that as an AKA and things like that. Alright? (Darth Andeddu msut have been Zannah's apprentice...) KFan II 15:17, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Zannah's Sith name is not known. As in, it's not stated in any official sources. --Imperialles 15:26, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Zannah's name can be found in "Darth Bane Path Of Destruction" Her name used to be Rain, but she took the name Zannah. Darth Zannah is her name.
 * The page number for reference is 323-324. User: Nilrem 16:22 24 Feb 2009
 * And there's no reason to think Darth Andeddu must have been her apprentice. For one, the only depiction has him dressed in the clothes of a Sith Lord from the time of Naga Sadow. In fact, Andeddu may have preceeded Revan. QuentinGeorge 21:12, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Darth Andeddu succeeded Darth Zannah. The only way you can succeed a Sith Lord in Darth Bane's New Order thing is to be an apprentice. The weird clothes that he chose must have been his way to make people fear him, or he might just have thought he should keep old traditions alive. The latter is probably something a Sith Lord would do, like Darth Maul tatooing his body. KFan II 13:24, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Umm... and exactly why are you certain that he succeeded Zannah? For all I know, there is no mention of when he lived. --Imperialles 13:34, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Because obviously there is no mention of anyone between Zannah Andeddu (get it? "And"-eddu.), I mean Zannah and Andeddu. You can assume that Zannah trained Andeddu because - well - there's noone between the two. And, as someone said on Sidious/Palpatine/Emperor's talkpage, Sith live long. KFan II 16:53, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Umm... and why are you so sure he lived in Zannah's lifetime at all? It's far more likely that he was of the Sith Empire, judging from his clothes, plus the fact that he was referred to as 'ancient'. --Imperialles 16:56, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, Bane's Sith weren't entombed on Korriban, either. --Fade 17:31, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I do not have an account here, but I would like to point something out that completely invalidates the theory that Andeddu was Darth Zannah's apprentice. (And yes, she states her name as Darth Zannah in the final Darth Bane book. That is her Sith name. She chose to embrace her real name, Zannah, and forgo her nickname Rain.) Bane discovers Andeddu's holocron in the final book of the Darth Bane Trilogy. It is even stated that Bane pried the Holocron from Darth Andeddu's mummified corpse. There is no possible way that Andeddu could have been Zannah's apprentice, therefore.

So how is anyone certain that Darth Bane did not take over Zannah during their final confrontation? The article suggests that she survived only with remnants of Darth Bane (the clenching of the left hand), but could it not also be the case that Darth Bane survived but does not want to reveal to Darth Cognus (the Huntress) that he had the power to actually complete the "essence transfer"? Darth Zannah's body then could be under the control of Darth Bane's essence which explains the hand clenching as a subconscious or covert reassurance of Darth Bane that he successfully inhabited Zannah's body. Either way, I think the text of the book leaves the conclusion somewhat up in the air. . ok darth congus was darth zannah's apprentice did you people even read the 3rd darth bane book
 * Drew Karpyshyn clarified here. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 20:49, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

Fanon Ahoy!
Let's see:
 * Darth Andeddu succeeded Darth Zannah.
 * Answer: Stated nowhere. Pure Fanon. Darth Andeddu could just as easily be the first Dark Lord of the Sith, and the first Darth. (who Revan ultimately takes the name of)
 * Darth Zannah's Apprentice was Darth Cognus
 * The only way you can succeed a Sith Lord in Darth Bane's New Order thing is to be an apprentice.
 * Answer: Correct, but irrelevant: see point 1
 * The weird clothes that he chose must have been his way to make people fear him, or he might just have thought he should keep old traditions alive.
 * Giant leap of faith. Stated nowhere. Pure fanon.
 * What we DO know:
 * Darth Andeddu was a Sith Lord.
 * He created a holocron.
 * He was entombed on Korriban.
 * THAT'S IT! Anything else if fanboy speculation QuentinGeorge 06:10, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * We also know that Andeddu had a lightsaber correct? That means he could not have been part of the Naga Sadow Sith Empire, as he would have used the customary Sith Sword. So he has to be either part of Darth Ruin's line, or Darth Bane's line, wearing the Ancient Sith clothes as a sort of tribute. Cull Tremayne 05:30, 16 Oct 2005
 * I wouldn't be so sure of that. See the discussion on Tulak Hord... QuentinGeorge 05:55, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Interesting, but the Red Sith doesn't seem to be wearing the traditional Sith Garb. In such a long lived Empire, I doubt that style of clothing had been around for 20,000 years. Even if early Sith had access to lightsabers, that probably would have been done away with and replaced with Sith Swords by the time of such clothing. But that does make it all the more confusing Cull Tremayne 07:30, 17 Oct 2005
 * That's why the current theory is that Darth Andeddu was actually one of the first Dark Lords of the Sith (either Mr Red himself, or Red's successor). QuentinGeorge 06:12, 18 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * In addition to the fact he was entombed on Korriban, which none of the Dark Lords past Freedon Nadd could claim. QuentinGeorge 07:08, 18 Oct 2005 (UTC)

The name of Zannah as a Sith
The latest installment of the Dark Forces Saga says that:

''Many have sought the Valley of the Jedi, but few have found it. One was Lord Hoth's former apprentice Johun Othone, who set up vain shrines in the valley in honor of his beloved master. Another was the Sith Lord Darth Zannah, who returned to the valley years after abandoning her brother there during the Battle of Ruusan and engaged her sibling in a final deadly confrontation.'' QuentinGeorge 06:13, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I think this conclusively solves the matter. Once this is unlocked, I'll add the info. QuentinGeorge 06:13, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Darth
THE REASON THAT REVAN AND MALAK DIDN'T USE DARTH IS BECAUSE THEY THOUGHT IT REPRESENTED THE PAST
 * Shouldn't this be at just Zannah? I mean considering Revan and Malak's articles don't have Darth in the title. MarcK 08:51, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * But they spent a long time of their life known by those names (while Jedi). Zannah was known almost *exclusively* as "Rain" until the Battle of Ruusan, until she went by "Zannah" for a very short period before becoming Darth Bane's first apprentice. QuentinGeorge 09:06, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Final Confrontation

 * is there a source to the information stating the final duel between Darovit and Darth Zannah?-user:remoh
 * Dark Forces Saga by Abel Pena. - QuentinGeorge
 * So is she killed in the duel or what? What's the outcome? -- Cato Neimoidia 01:03, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Not stated. QuentinGeorge 06:02, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It's been implied that she wins, but no official outcome has been stated
 * This is driving me crazy! I swear I remember a comic where they have a final confrontation on Ruusan years after the Battle.  Did I dream this?  I can't find it anywhere! Lonnyd 19:45, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, on the page for Darovit, it states that she wins the duel. Dunno if this helps? User:Asuryan
 * Unfortunately, that's a mistake. Dark Forces Saga is the only source for this duel. It is likely that Darovit is killed, but there's no proof either way - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 17:42, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * There is now! In the Epi. 1 novel it does say that Bane's apprentice did become a master and did take on an apprentice. Darth Byss 22:26, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * He could have taken on another apprentice, though. From a story perspective, I think it makes the most sense if Zannah survives and becomes the next master, but all we can do for now is speculate. - Lord Hydronium 22:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * But keep in mind that It said he went out and found an apprentice taught that one, and that one became a master. Darth Zannah was that apprentice, and from comments made by Drew K. about how Bane wouldn't have approved of Darth Sidious's having and replacing so many apprentices would seem to indicate that Darth Bane had only one apprentice. Perhaps we could have it in the BTS? Darth Byss 19:15, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * What's interesting is that it only says 'her sibling.' Darovit, as we all know, was her cousin. Then again, The New Essential Chronology also makes that mistake, so it's possible Drew K. is wrong and Abel G. Pena is right, as the Dark Forces Saga was published first.Rotwang&#39;s Son 21:51, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Grievous's possesion

 * Did Grievous ever actually use her lightsaber in combat?
 * I don't no, but I think N-K Necrosis did.Rotwang&#39;s Son 21:52, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Def'n: Zannah?
Can anybody think of a possible translation for the name of Zannah? The trick to the line of Darth Bane is that each name is relevant to his role in Sith History.

i.e. Sidious (insidious) - Traitor - Palpatine betrayed not only his own master but the entire Galactic Republic

Vader (father) - The Father of the one responsible for his own return and destruction

Vectivus (vector {medical term}) - a being uninfected by a toxin (i.e. the Dark Side) despite enduring exposure

you get what I mean?

I hope that the Darth Bane novel can answer all of our questions.

Prometheus 16:50, 28 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, Vader's name comes from invader. Remember that Darth Vader being Luke's father was an idea that came in late production of ESB, so Lucas can't have named him based on the Dutch word of father. - TopAce 16:55, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Zannah doesn't mean anything - it's her actual real name. QuentinGeorge 20:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * And we still haven't actually gotten Zannah's Sith name. For all we know, she went by "Darth Rain." Lonnyd 21:34, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, we have, as stated in the article - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw the post about it further up after posting that, but didn't want to delete my comment or something. Lonnyd 02:28, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * We can also note on this that with the line of Bane Stories, we could highly expect that a seperate Sith name may be given and simply contradict the Dark Forces Article  N.Y.N.E. Comlinksithempire2.png 08:32, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

picture
is there a better picture for her than that one on the main page? she looks like a kid not some dangerous sith 72.230.40.84 20:32, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * We've only seen her as a child. QuentinGeorge 20:45, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

oh ok never read the stuff she appeard on and this is the same person, just forgot to log on 20:47, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Groode hdoge 20:47, 3 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah it would be interesting to see her as an adult... Maybe a femme fatale? Ahhh... wishful thinking. DAWUSS 02:01, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Very much so with the artistic choice on the cover (her only depiction as an adult) additionaly does anyone agree that the blond on the image of page 55 of jedi versus sith might have been the artit's interpritation of(trevas possibly not knowing her appearance in the Bane comics) SargeLIVES 01:38, 28 July 2008 (UTC)Zannah
 * That's Bug. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 09:35, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

Gender specific
Shouldn't the article identify her as a dark lady of the sith,not dark lord,after the fashion of Lumiya ? Sochwa 07:50, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No. Dark Lord of the Sith is a unisex title, and Lumiya is the only known Dark Lady. - Lord Hydronium 08:36, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Also remember that Lumiya is a self-styled "Dark Lady of the Sith". Also interesting to note that Lumiya has never given herself the name Darth Lumiya, whereas Zannah is properly Darth Zannah. Unless there's another source that calls Zannah a "Dark Lady of the Sith", she is properly a "Dark Lord".  (It's late, 1am here, and I'm rambling; sorry.) Rebel Dragon 05:04, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * In Dynasty of Evil,Zannah is in fact refereed as Dark Lady of the Sith. I'll find the pages if you need proof. And though irrelevant, I believe Cognus was referred to as a future Dark Lady. Don't quote me on that though.--Darth Nikolai 17:51, December 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * So, Darth Zannah must be refereed as a Dark lady or a Dark Lord ? If in Bane's Order Zannah is a Dark Lady of the Sith, Darth Cognus is a Sith lady too, like all their female successors. Maxattac 19:38, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Darth?
While it is agreed that Zannah does indeed become Darth Zannah, she is not given the title after arriving on Onderon, The Rule of Two does not allow for the Master and Apprentice to be equels, which is what giving both of them the Darth Title would equate to.Sephiroth Kali 19:00, 1 January 2008 (UTC)
 * So, What you're saying is, is that since the rule of two "does not allow for the master and apprentice to be equals" that the title of darth was incorrectly given to Darth Maul, Darth Tyrannus and Darth Vader. Incorrect. An excerpt directly from the Sith Lord page states: "All Sith following the Rule of Two, both master and apprentice, held the title of Dark Lord of the Sith. This list is in chronological order." --ForceWound 18:15, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I have to dissagree, The article does state that, however, I need a source for that statement. It appears that quite simply Darth Bane believed that the title should only be held by the Dark Lord of the Sith, It appears through reading of the book, Rule of Two, that Zannah is of a similar belief. However, later Sith Lords took a different approach, and the Master awarded the title when they believed the apprentice was ready. Remember that none of those three would have existed in the same way, had Palpatine followed the Rule of Two exactly. According to Jedi vs. Sith sourcebook, He expected Maul's death, and it can be assumed that he bestowed the title to motivate his apprentice's belief that they were his chosen one, the one that would culminate his dreams.Sephiroth Kali 22:33, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * She's called Darth Zannah by Bane in the book, so I don't think there is any question in her being a Darth (although you're right that its a little unclear exactly when she gets the "Darth" part, as she is never called it in the first part of the book, so its plausible Bane didn't proclaim her Darth Zannah until sometime during her 10 years training). Remember, Darth is not the same thing as Dark Lord of the Sith. If you were to question calling her a Dark Lord of the Sith, there you might have something, as the book does give the impression from both Bane and Zannah's point of view that they only consider Bane to be the Dark Lord of the Sith and Zannah still just "the apprentice". Presumably this is simply something that changes later on down the line, either with Palpatine or someone earlier. It could also simply be Zannah is still in the "young Darth Maul" stage of not having completed her training, so maybe we'll see her proclaimed a Dark Lord in a third book if they write one. Right now though I would agree that Dark Lord of the Sith is a bit unclear, but there shouldn't be a problem with Darth.--Xanos 12:27, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Beneficial image?

 * Since the event of Zannah blowing up Darovit's hand is repeated several times amongst the related articles, would it seem beneficial to find an image of her doing this? It is significant in that it demonstrates her power when calling upon the dark side, which is strange for a child. --  Riffsyphon  1024 10:41, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Dynasty of Evil cover
I've uploaded a cropped image of the cover of Dynasty of Evil of Zannah. Worth using in the article? Barringer 08:16, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Anything is better than the photoshopped monstrosity currently serving as the infobox. So yeah, put this in the infobox. QuentinGeorge 08:25, 5 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Who the hell put that awful, awful picture from the second book back? QuentinGeorge 00:31, February 13, 2010 (UTC)

Death
Since we know the exact date of Dynasty of Evil, can we assume Zannah died after 990 BBY until further notice? Lord KOT 17:45, 24 August 2009 (UTC) I think, now that DoE is out there needs to be a death date for Darth Zannah, or either. Bane. It points towards bane living more than Zannah living though.
 * No. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 17:48, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Why not? The characters don't live forever you know... Lord KOT 02:01, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

Zannah's Title as a Sith Lord
She first started out as Zannah, that was her birth name(as far as I can remember). Then her and her cousins had nicknames. Bug, Tomcat and Rain. (Note: This is all from memory.) One cousin died when they were I think shot down on Russaan. Darovit and Zannah were the only ones to of them that survived the crash. Darovit joined the Brotherhood and Zannah went on her own with a Bouncer. Her Bouncer (species of psychic animal native to Russaan) got killed by Jedi and she killed them with the force, that's when Darth Bane found her and took her as his apprentice. By this time the Thought Bomb had already went off and killed all of the Brotherhood and about 100 Jedi including General Hoth. Leaving Zannah, Darovit and Bane. Zannah and Bane went to the remains of the Thought Bomb and Darovit followed. This is where Zannah cut Darovit's Hand off. Darovit then stayed on Russaan and became a hermit/healer and friend of the remaining Bouncers. Zannah and Darovit then left Russaan and started her apprenticeship. During that she became trained in the usage of the Dual bladed lightsaber, same as Exar Kun and the Blademaster, Kas'im who trained Bane on Korriban.

Long story short Darovit was killed by the Jedi on another planet called Ambria. The planet where the healer Caleb healed Bane from a poison inflicted upon him by Githany a Sith Lord in Kaan's Brotherhood. Zannah made Darovit insane by the force in which he killed the healer that saved Bane in Darth Bane: The Path of Destruction from poison and again from the creatures in Rule of Two that addhered to Bane's skin and enhanced his force powers/protected him the cut of a lightsaber. Zannah wanted them removed not only because they were killing her master but so she could kill him and become the master, after she learned everything she could from him. This though was just a ploy to make them think that the Sith were dead and that they killed the last one.

SpecialistGhost-XboxLive 20:26, October 30, 2009 (UTC)SpecialistGhost-XboxLive

Oh really? Lord KOT 03:42, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Image
Can we please, PLEASE change the infobox image to the DoE one? It's far, far better, bigger, everything... I have no idea why the small cropped RoT one is still there. If Tommy9281 wasn't editing the page I'd change it right now. ; ) --80.3.173.234 16:50, April 26, 2010 (UTC)