Wookieepedia talk:Community Portal

Should admins be eligible for WotM?
In the past there's been an "unofficial" rule that admins shouldn't be considered as WotM. I guess adminship was kinda considered reward enough and we should leave the reward to someone else. With Wookieepedia's growth we've started adding admins, who are some of the best Wookieepedians, so I was maybe starting to have second thoughts. What do y'all think? WhiteBoy 06:09, 3 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, admins should be eligible. I don't see a problem with it, as long as we still have the "6 month" rule in place. Otherwise Riff would win it every month :-) --Azizlight 06:21, 3 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Or maybe have a "12 month" rule for admins? --Azizlight 06:23, 3 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * No doubt, Riff would win. :)  I dunno...maybe 12 months would be good for admins.  Mainly I just want to avoid getting six/twelve admins and rotate them around as WotM.  :p  WhiteBoy 16:30, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Hopefully, we'll have a lot more of our regular, reliable users be admins in the near future, and those are exactly the sorts of people who have work consistent with nomination to WotM.  jSarek 11:25, 3 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I see it as 'WotM before adminship', rather than the other way around. WotM is a stepping stone to adminship. I however am null and void as I became admin 6 days in. -- Riffsyphon1024 22:11, 3 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Lately I pretty much have been thinking what Riff said. Cool...just wondering what other's thoughts were.  WhiteBoy 16:30, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Vandalism in progress

 * If there are no objections, I'd like to take a shot at building a "vandalism in progress" page like the one at Wikipedia. Right now, we don't have any obvious way to report instances of vandalism except to post it here in the Community Portal or to bug one or more admins on their user page. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  14:42, 3 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Great idea! - Sikon [ Talk ] 15:03, 3 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, please. (Speaking of which, 84.181.141.70 was vandalizing a couple of pages just now.)  &mdash; Silly Dan  15:05, 3 Nov 2005 (UTC)


 * I think we can combine Wikipedia's VIP and "Administrator Intervention" pages into one simplified form, and I don't think we need all the stuff about severity levels just yet. A clear warning process might be nice, along with copying over the vandal listing template from Wikipedia. But I just put together a temp page to base it on. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  02:38, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the temp page -- we should get that going quickly, and have all admins add it to their watchlist. And we could maybe do with some more admins (not me though).  &mdash; Silly Dan  20:22, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)


 * OK, There seems to be some consensus here, and Angela is already using the temp page. Can someone move it into the Wookieepedia namespace? I just tried and it wouldn't let me. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  00:59, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I just moved it to Vandalism in progress. jSarek 03:11, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Excellent! I can't figure out why it wouldn't let me do that. Anyway, I just put a link to it in the "Quality assurance" box on the Community Portal page. So now we have a proper vandalism reporting function. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  03:49, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Episode III Spoilers

 * Now that the DVD is available, when will it be okay to remove the Episode III spoiler templates off the numerous ROTS articles? DarthMaul431 03:31, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I suggested one month after release (so, beginning of December?) &mdash; Silly Dan  03:33, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I suppose that makes sense. Now that I think back, I don't think it's available in all countries yet.  So yeah, December sounds good. DarthMaul431 03:37, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Is it in Korea yet? I could probably check somewhere else to find it but since it's not urgent and we're already on the subject, why not. Mithridates 18:07, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * December 1st works. -- Riffsyphon1024 18:13, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Have redirected it to Template:Spoiler. "What links here" will show which articles need to have it removed, if we are still so resolved.  &mdash; Silly Dan  01:22, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)

General spoiler warnings: Do we need them?
I've always thought that the spoiler warnings throughout this wiki are unnecassary. We have the "This wiki contains a plethora of spoilers relating to the Star Wars universe. Read at your own risk" warning on the Main Page, which i think is already enough reason not to have them throughout the wiki. Furthermore, their use is very inconsistent, and I think the warning itself detracts from the "in-universe" feel of the article. They're also kind of ugly. I agree that new material can have a spoiler warning, but they should be removed about a month after release. Thoughts? --Azizlight 22:25, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. Pretty much anything is a spoiler here, so individual tags are unnecessary (except for new material, maybe) QuentinGeorge 22:26, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I concur. However, even new material doesn't need a spoiler before it, IMHO. Adamwankenobi 08:40, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. As I've said in numerous related discussion, we provide a general warning and users come here seeking information beyond what they have read in the books. The most fair policy for spoilers of new material should be one month after the international release. --SparqMan 07:06, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm in favor of general spoiler warnings for new material. Certainly for plot endings to novels and the like. For minor stuff, they wouldn't be neccesary.-LtNOWIS 18:39, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. I've thought this for quite a while.  WhiteBoy 16:37, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Ok, I've began deleting the general spoiler warnings from all articles. I'm also thinking that maybe we should make special spoiler templates specific to new releases? Eg. for The Swarm War spoilers. Or maybe we could modify the template to be able to accept a parameter specifying which title the spoiler relates to? After a month after release, they can be removed again. --Azizlight 00:06, 8 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure there's a way to do this, but I'm not sure how right off. Seems like there's a   template that handles parameters.  WhiteBoy 16:37, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Imperial characters reorganization
If you have a moment, please take a look at my proposed general structure for updating the Imperial characters categorization scheme and left some comments there. See: Category talk:Imperial characters. Cheers! --SparqMan 18:34, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)

List of fanon creations
Just wanted to point out the List of fanon creations article. It will help identify fanon, and prevent fanon from entering our main articles. Any notable fanon creations will redirect there. --Azizlight 03:14, 7 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * If you discover clear cases of fanon, please apply the FRL (Fanon. Redirect. Lock.) tag,, rather than the  tag. This will help speed the process and keep the VFD alley clear. Simply establish the redirect, add the article to the page's list and then an admin will lock the fanon as a redirect. --SparqMan 19:49, 8 Nov 2005 (UTC)

What constitutes blockable vandalism?
Now that we have a reporting function in place, the next question is what should be reported? Creeps like the Supershadow Troll are obvious, but what about unrepentant spewers of fanon? If someone, for example, edits Aayla Secura four times to remove her legitimate and concrete death information (by the way, fanboys, AAYLA'S DEAD! GET OVER IT!), can we report/block them?

Or should we have a separate page for reporting fanon and other wankery? &mdash;Darth Culator  (talk)  19:43, 7 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Template:Conjecture
I have made this template in response to the creation of articles such as T.I.E. starfighter, and Alland. I also have a feeling that a number of planet and system articles are purely conjectural, but i'll only apply the tag if it is proved. --Azizlight 00:43, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * When should this be used instead of Template:Fanon or Template:TotallyDisputed? Also, you might add it to the Template messages/Disputes explaining when to use it versus the other two.  WhiteBoy 03:03, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I have a bad feeling about this. It could open the door to all kinds of crazy fanon masquerading as "conjecture." &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  05:08, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * You're probably right there Culator, and since jSarek has pointed out that my prime example, T.I.E. starfighter, is not conjecture, but in fact canon, this template is becoming worthless. My bad. We'll delete it... unless someone thinks it was a good idea? --Azizlight 05:13, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Given the way its worded, it might make it useful for articles like Ur-Sema Du, where the content is definitely canon but the character's name is not. Still, it might be problematic and prone to abuse as Culator suggests, so we might want to just drop it.  jSarek 01:34, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Template: More sources?
I suggest we make a template similar to for articles which are sourced, but have an incomplete list of sources and appearances. We could call it, perhaps, ? &mdash; Silly Dan 02:39, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree, we really need this. --Azizlight 03:12, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh good god yes. MarcK 03:29, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * *nods eagerly* Thanos6 03:30, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, I have created the template Template: More sources, aka .  Objections to the name?  The category it creates? The text? The text currently in Template: Sources, which is almost exactly the same?  (I think the current  template was meant to be for incomplete sources as well, but it's lately been reserved for completely sourceless articles.)  &mdash; Silly Dan  03:48, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't think we need that big a template. Maybe just: "The list of sources for this article is incomplete. You can help Wookieepedia by expanding it." and put at in the end of the Sources (or Appearances if Sources is absent) section? - Sikon [ Talk ] 12:59, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Good point. The  template should leave a big footprint, as it's often applied to articles which may be completely made up, while  should be as unobtrusive as a  template recognizing an article as reasonable, but incomplete.  &mdash; Silly Dan  13:07, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I've been somewhat hesitant to put a sources tag on articles that have some sources, but a stubby type sources box would be great for articles that are partly but insufficiently sourced. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  13:22, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Things to do

 * I just created a new page for those seeking something to do to improve Wookieepedia here. I hope people find it useful.  One thing it needs is someone who knows how to link to categories, rather than put an article in a category; three links I tried to include merely categorized the article.  If someone could clear that up, I'd be greatly appreciative. :-) jSarek 09:12, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * You put a : in front of the link, like so: Category:Sourceless. Do the same thing to link to an image instead of inserting it on the page. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  13:22, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Archive this page
Can somebody archive this talk page? I'd do it, but I'm afraid I'd mess it up. &mdash;Darth Culator  (talk)  13:22, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * It has been done. -- Riffsyphon1024 22:45, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Number of members

 * Apparently we have the exact same number of members as Memory Alpha: 9,638. Creepy. MarcK 00:13, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Not so creepy. You can go to the login page at Memory Alpha and use your Wookieepedia username. It's apparently a common Wikicities user database. You'll find the same number of users listed at dead-end wikis like the Power Rangers wiki. Though Memory Alpha does have more than twice as many admins, which is probably something we should work on. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  00:54, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * ...Oh. Well now I feel like an idiot. Right about the admins though. MarcK 11:29, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * You shouldn't feel like an idiot, I only figured it out by accident. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  17:18, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * They also have significantly less stubs and what seems like a organized plan for filling out content. We're a bit hodge podge at the moment. --SparqMan 17:51, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Here's the Memory Alpha stats page compared to the Wookieepedia stats page. At the end of October, we had 179 contributing Wookieepedians (first column) compared to their 348.  They also have many more hits and visits per day than we do.  Granted, they have been around alot longer, but it just reenforces to me that we need to get the word out.  :)  WhiteBoy 00:50, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I've updated the Requests for adminship page. Please go vote and nominate some people.  WhiteBoy 00:50, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Can anyone vote, or is it for admins?  &mdash; Silly Dan  01:23, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Check out the discussion on the talk page. But I say it's for anyone.  WhiteBoy 01:58, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Memory Alpha also has the support of some major fan sites. Perhaps we should develop a long range plan for SWW. I'd be willing to chair that. --SparqMan 02:22, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)


 * I've actually had a few thoughts along that line, too, SparqMan. What are some things we could do to get ourselves more renown?  It's good that some authors have taken note of us.  How can we get more to know we're out here?  I have a few authors' email addresses (they may be outdated now), and have exchanged a couple of emails with a few when I was actively keeping up my book site on my personal web site.  And contacting authors may not be the best way to go about it, anyway.  What else?  WhiteBoy 17:55, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Really strange that Memory Alpha shares the user database with Wikicities, since Uncyclopedia doesn't. - Sikon [ Talk ] 18:06, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * After poking around the Central Wikicity a bit, it looks like they did that on purpose, per the announcement about their move to Wikicities. Uncyclopedia didn't. On an interesting side note (there's all kinds of facinating stuff on the Central Wikicity!), whatever happened to the Star Wars Fanon wiki? &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  20:19, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Prononciation guides?
Do we really need them on articles where the prononciation isn't all that difficult (Naboo, Wookiee, Leia Organa Solo, etc.)? Can't we save them for articles like Kashyyyk where the spelling or prononciation is particularly non-standard English? &mdash; Silly Dan 02:34, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I was mostly putting them there for the uneducated Star Wars viewer (the casual viewer you might say). "Naboo" could theoretically be pronounced /'neɪbuː/, /'næbuː/, etc; I'll remove it from Wookiee since come to think of it even those who've only seen the films once seem to know how it's pronounced; and "Organa" could also be pronounced /ɔː'gænʌ/, though I would accept its removal if enough people think it should be removed. --MarcK [talk] 03:01, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I couldn't read most of these anyway on either broswer of IE or Firefox. -- Riffsyphon1024 20:56, 16 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I can sort of read them on Firefox and Lynx. That is, I can see the symbols, but I can't make much sense of them (how is ɔ a long O sound?).  Maybe we shouldn't use the IPA, which is designed for linguists, but some phonetic representation designed for non-specialists (like you'd find in a typical collegiate dictionary.) But then which one to use?  &mdash; Silly Dan  04:26, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Capitalization
Should there be capitalization for sub-headings in long articles? Currently, there isn't but I think it would look a lot better. For example:

The dark times
or

The Dark Times
What do you think? Hollis 23:53, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * FWIW, checking Wikipedia to see what they prefer isn't much help. Subheadings usually aren't capitalized, but it's not consistent, even within individual articles.  (For your example, though, "The Dark Times" might be a proper noun that you'd capitalize anyway.)  &mdash; Silly Dan  00:42, 16 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia mostly uses non-capitalized headings, besides, since we agreed to use "Behind the scenes", I think we should be consistent. - Sikon [ Talk ] 05:07, 16 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I guess that's okay, I still think it looks terrible. Hollis 17:30, 18 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * It is supposed to be lower-case unless it's a proper noun. This is the official policy of Wikipedia, which we follow and have since we started up.  Actually implementing it is a little more difficult, though.  :)  WhiteBoy 08:15, 20 Nov 2005 (UTC)

New time format
Instead of BBY and ABY, shouldn't it be before the empire and after the empire?I think this is much more accurate because the battle of yavin is only a minor event,compared to the purge and reorganization of the republic.Think about it.Lt.sarge
 * The Battle of Endor, the final death of the Emperor in Dark Empire, the various liberations of Coruscant, etc, would all work as well. But BBY and ABY are being used by in-universe sources like the New Essential Chronology, and are the most popular ones for fan timelines.  So I don't think we should change.  &mdash; Silly Dan  00:42, 16 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Imagine how confusing that would be for the actual residents of the GFFA. So many possible dating schemes to choose from: After Great ReSynchronization (AGR), Imperial Date (ID), After Battle of Yavin (ABY), After Battle of Endor (ABE), New Republic Date (NRD), Galactic Federation of Free Alliances Date (GFFAD), After Yuuzhan Vong War (AYVW), and the list goes on. The way I see it, the New Jedi Order will eventually become as powerful in the GFFA as the Vatican was a thousand years ago, and they'll invent a new dating system (call it something like Absolute Galactic Date (AGD)) that everyone will use for thousands of years just out of convenience.  But right now everyone uses ABY so it's only logical to stick with it.  &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  03:03, 16 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Lets not forget the Galactic Republic's first dating system of time from 25,000 BBY, and the second dating system of events after the Ruusan Reformation. -- SFH 05:11, 16 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * On that note, I hereby announce the creation of the dating system marked by the first time the words "I have a bad feeling about this" were said. :P -- Riffsyphon1024 21:00, 16 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * It just seems more accurate to me,We can change it to before and after the purge,BTP and ATP.That is even more accurate.We should focus on more accurate events, I vote yes on ATP format.The destruction of the death star 1 isn't that much of turning point in the galaxy.The purge is the Total and utter eradication of an intire religous civilization, Not including the escape of kenobi and yoda. (talk)
 * Maybe it'd make more sense, but we go by what's canon as opposed to what makes sense. And ABY/BBY seems to have become canonical now. &mdash; Silly Dan  04:29, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * It will be BBY/ABY for the forseeable future. The only real contender is BGR/GR, and that's not really well known. All these other suggestions are fanon-a-licious. QuentinGeorge 05:04, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * In addition to the canon support for the BBY/ABY method, the Battle of Yavin was hardly insignificant. It was a major turning point in the Galactic Civil War and provided the Rebel Alliance with the momentum and support it needed to eventually achieve victory at Endor. --SparqMan 06:07, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)

I'd like to suggest that on the year pages, a section be set up with the publications set in that year. I just looked at 12 and 13 ABY and both have the deaths of Durga and Crix. I think having a section for the sources each year could be a good way of preventing this. Eyrezer 21:35, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Belia Darzu page
Although the fanon picture of Belia Darzu appears to have been deleted, the image still shows up on her page. Is this some sort of glitch? Kuralyov 01:47, 16 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Seems fixed, but I have noticed that deleted images sometimes take awhile to vanish. --SparqMan 06:08, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Battlefront II stuff
Can we get a solution on the Battlefront II inspired articles? Most of them could be solved with a few redirects, but I don't want to anger any particularly vigorous fans of the games who want to argue that they deserve their own articles. --SparqMan 06:10, 21 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Classes vs. Vessels
While I've been cleaning out categories, I've encountered a number of inconsistencies regarding the placement of ship types. In some cases they are found exclusively in a category for ship classes, in others they're in the a category like Category:Rebel Alliance starships alongside vessels, and in some they're in both. I find the placement of ship types into categories meant for vessels produces unnecessary clutter. While not all non-capital scale vessels are defined in terms of a "class", we can certainly establish something like this: Category:Starship types ->Category:Starfighter types ->Category:Support craft classes ->Category:Capital ship classes If there is sufficient interest in categorizing ship types by who used them (which is sometimes confusing for popular starship types), we could go so far as to create something like Category:Rebel Alliance starship classes. I'm hoping to hear some other Wookieepedians' opinions to ensure I'm not a lone nut in this. --SparqMan 23:58, 21 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree that it gets messy. Your proposal is the best thing so far, however I'm not entirely sure what others may think, so we'll let them express their opinions first. -- Riffsyphon1024 01:21, 22 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Disambiguation text and quotations
I have noticed that the inclusion of both disambiguation notices and quotations on pages can produce confusing and unappealing results. Both are indented, italicized and standard size text. Would other users be in favor of establishing a template for disambiguation text that would avoid this problem? I threw together a quick idea based on our new stub style. It's located here: Template:youmay, and here is an example of it in use: Jundland Waste (Sandbox). Please make changes for the better, or express your opinions on its use. --SparqMan 21:15, 22 Nov 2005 (UTC) Anyone? Bueller? Bueller? --SparqMan 08:31, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe just use the following format: without the named parameters? Or at least shorten them, I'm too lazy to type them in all their greatness :). - Sikon [ Talk ] 15:23, 24 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I've added an option with just "you may be..." on the template page. --SparqMan 17:38, 24 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that mishap Sparq. I would remove the second template within the template to make it work better as I did try it on an article. -- Riffsyphon1024 00:41, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Featured Wikicity
Maybe we can try to vote for Wookieepedia to make it the next month's featured Wikicity? Featured Wikicity/vote Sikon [ Talk ] 18:15, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Almost there... Just a few more votes to beat WikiFur, pleease! - Sikon [ Talk ] 15:20, 24 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * If you only knew the power of the furry side . . . why not join us, and we can rule together as WookieFur! --GreenReaper 09:40, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Nnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!! --Azizlight 09:41, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * We...we actually lost? To furries?! God help us. *echos Azizlight* --MarcK [talk] 05:48, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * heh...well, there's always next month! WhiteBoy 05:49, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Main image in infobox: 250px VS 300px
I notice that many Wookieepedians make the main image of an article - usually in the infobox - 250px in width, even though 300px allows the image to fill all the space in the infobox. I prefer 300px images because i think it looks better, but either way, can we discuss it here to set a standard and then put it in the Manual of Style? --Azizlight 23:47, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * 300px images are way too big, especially if their height is greater than width. The current infobox looks fine in Opera with 250px images (but shows whitespace in IE, as I've just noticed). - Sikon [ Talk ] 11:56, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Would that mean a smaller infobox or just leaving a small whitespace using 250px? (I use IE) --Thinortolan 13:57, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I prefer the 300px width, as it does fill the width of the infobox. If we reduce the width of the images to 250px, then I suggest we reduce the width of the infoboxes also. I use Firefox, by the way. --beeurd 04:46, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Miss Star Wars 2005
Vote now! --Azizlight 08:34, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah finally a place for us sexually-deprived dorks to salivate. -- Riffsyphon1024 08:46, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Yep! Vote for Padme! Adamwankenobi 09:06, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * My girlfriend is going to rue going away for the weekend! QuentinGeorge 09:13, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Khaleen Hentz...I love you :) -Jaymach Ral'Tir 14:19, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Noting first appearances
I have made some new tags to use in the Appearances and Sources sections of articles. You can see them in action on the Ailyn Vel and Grebleips pages. They are for identifying the source in which first introduces a subject into the saga, and in some cases, where a subject's name is first established. I think this is a very useful feature, and was just going to go ahead and implement it, but ran into a dispute with Jack Nebulax. What do the rest of you guys think? --Azizlight 01:49, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, good to see someone ran with that recommendation. There is certainly a difference between a character's first appearance and a character's first mention. This would be helpful for secondary or EU characters (there have been a number of posts on character articles asking for a character's first appearance). It would also help eliminated a need for the proposed line of category based on Category:Dark Forces characters.--SparqMan 03:56, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea to me. I think it'd be useful.  WhiteBoy 05:17, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I made the 1stm template:, for cases when a subject was first mentioned before it actually made its first appearance (like Dantooine). - Sikon [ Talk ] 06:06, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Good idea Sikon :-) --Azizlight 06:59, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * While now I agree it is useful for EU characters, I think that it is pointless for characters that were in the movies (except, maybe, for Aayla Secura and others that were taken out of the EU). Admiral J. Nebulax 12:07, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I quite like the idea and, though I do agree it's rather useless for movie characters, I think we should include it purely for completeness. -Jaymach Ral'Tir 14:19, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Still, it would be completely useless. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:44, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Azizlight: "Your arguement is synonymous to "we KNOW that Palpatine appears in ESB, therefore we should not include it in the list of appearances"." That is not what I mean. We should include their appearances, but it is completely pointless to include these tags on movie characters. It's different for EU characters and such, though. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:15, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * As Jaymach said above... it's for the sake of completeness. --Azizlight 18:22, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Completeness, yes, but the appearances are already there. Also, as I have said before, these tags are not needed for movie characters since we know when they first appeared. As for EU characters, that's where these tags are needed most. Admiral J. Nebulax 14:25, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Character classes
Dark Lord Revan has inserted portions of information into BTS sections of KOTOR II characters that read: "The Exile has a chance to train (name), making them a Jedi Consular/Sentinel/Guardian."

Is this really necessary? After all, the information that the Exile trains them is already in the main article, so perhaps it can be reformulated as: "After training, (name)'s character class is (class)." But I think if we keep that, we should include character class information for all KOTOR I and II party members. - Sikon [ Talk ] 05:46, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * He also inserted a few fanon articles. I think that undermines the ol' credibility. --SparqMan 05:53, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Creatures only appearing in Star Wars Galaxies

 * I noticed the list of creatures includes some creatures only appearing in Star Wars Galaxies. I'm not sure if we should include these. Reasons: as you probably know the game is very conflictive with canon, plus it features hundreds of mostly different creatures, I say "mostly" because many of them are just a same mesh with different skin, name, and stats. Including some would lead to include all (more than 400 I believe). I would vote for including only those appearing in other games or publishes or those notably remarkable --Thinortolan 14:10, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd say we should add all the creatures, even if they only appear in Galaxies. It's what actually happens in the game that's not considered canon...but it's still set in the Star Wars universe, and so all of those creatures are indeed in the Star Wars universe, and thus should be included here. -Jaymach Ral'Tir 14:19, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, Leland Chee has said that he goes through Star Wars Galaxies just as he does with any other game or book, and puts the info into the Holocron continuity database, as long as it doesn't actually conflict with canon. There's no reason why creatures would conflict, so I say include them all on Wookieepedia. --Azizlight 14:21, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Edit Summary Redirect
I know I might sound a bit like a n00b asking a question like this, but I've only been around for a few days, so cut me some slack ;-). Can somebody explain to me how to do the section redirect with the arrow link in the "edit summary" of an article?--Knightfall 01:16, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * This automatically happens when you click on the "Edit" buttons within the article, next to each section title, rather than the "edit" button at the very top of the page. --Azizlight 01:33, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I can't believe I didn't notice that before! Thanks, Azizlight.--Knightfall 01:39, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)

New Databank template on trial
I have made a new template DB. Databank is very tedious the way it is at the moment, almost as complicated as just typing in the entire URL. Both templates can exist while new template is being implemented. Thoughts? --Azizlight 05:51, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * See Jira for an example. --Azizlight
 * Looks fine by me, as long as you're volunteering to replace each instance. --SparqMan 06:36, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, i'll do some of that. There's no hurry though, since both the old and new templates can still exist together without causing any problems. --Azizlight 11:27, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)

What Wookieepedia is not
Please come to User:Silly Dan/What Wookieepedia is not, a proposal for a page sort of like What Wikipedia is not, and let me know what you think. &mdash; Silly Dan 03:10, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Its a good thing to have. Sparq and I were just discussing a needed page to have disclaimers about LFL and that we were not affiliated with the main site, etc. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:09, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Wookieepedia Logo Change?
Just out of curiosity, since the official name of this wiki is now "Wookieepedia" rather than "Star Wars Wiki," are there any plans to change the Death Star II logo in the sidebar accordingly?--Knightfall 03:29, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I've contacted the current logo's creators to see if he could generate some new ideas. Feel free to take some stabs at it yourself. --SparqMan 03:37, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I would keep the Death Star, but change the text to Wookieepedia (on the top in large or medium font) The Star Wars Wiki (on the bottom in the small font). -- Riffsyphon1024 06:13, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, one of the problems is that "Wookieepedia" is long and cannot be broken up like "Star Wars" can; "The Star Wars Wiki" is long too. Certainly a problem for design to solve. --SparqMan 06:16, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe we could just wrap the text around the Death Star image's edges. :P Adamwankenobi 06:21, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * We could then have "Wookieepedia" in the small font and leave SWW out of it entirely (however I still want to have SWW in there somewhere. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:25, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I whipped this up in a few minutes, but I'm willing to work with you guys if you need a designer. I'm only allergic to using the logofont for anything but the actual STAR WARS logo, but I'm willing to go with other fonts, pics, and shapes. The font used on this one is Episode I. Dark Spork 19:30, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I actually really like it; it's got far more flavor than our existing logo. I only have two recommendations: 1) it might look better a bit larger, and 2) it feels like it needs a border around the outer edge - nothing too fancy, just something to seperate it from the surrounding page.  Those are my two centicreds on the matter, anyway. jSarek 20:26, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, MediaWiki limits the logo size to 135x135 IIRC, but it doesn't hurt to have it as a vector graphic so that we can scale it. And if we ever decide to change the CSS skin here to move away from black/white, we can just adjust the colors in the text. I like it, but let's get some other ideas out there. --SparqMan 20:30, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I personally think the Death Star is a good poke at Wikipedia's "Puzzle Globe" logo. Can't we just fix that up a bit, making it a bit more sleek? --Imp 20:34, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * + Second version, too large at 200px. The current logo is definitely reworkable. I think the best bet may be to cut it and leave a bit of the black background in - Or have someone do the edges from a very clear high-res image of the Death Star. I'm not sure if I have one in my files, but I could do it, and a vector version as well. I'm a bit shaky with Illustrator, but if the bulk of the work (clearing out the background) could be done in Photoshop it wouldn't be a problem. Assuming, of course, you don't hear from the original designer. -Dark Spork 20:45, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Hmm...
I wonder what would happen if I did this... CooperTFN 05:42, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Naughty, naughty! Best be on the look out for a whole lot of new edits...some good, some bad...and some fanonalicious! :) QuentinGeorge 05:46, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * "Hmmm," indeed. Thanks for the blurb!  WhiteBoy 05:48, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It'll be worse than when we put up a new featured article! ;) Adamwankenobi 05:49, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * At the very least, we should be getting that Tonnika sisters article. =) CooperTFN 05:57, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Good thing I redid this template. ;) QuentinGeorge 06:05, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * And with his hands he opened the flood gates of rabid fandom, and was washed down stream by chaos. I do hope something good comes of this. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:11, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Let's keep an eye on the stats to see what this brings. Maybe it will be a mini Slashdot effect. The TFN effect. --SparqMan 06:14, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * LOL. For those interested, here's a link to the stats page.  WhiteBoy 06:25, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't know if anyone noticed, but we have also been selected SciFi.com's Site of the Week. Check it out:
 * Uh, oh, them too? Batten down the hatches, cuz we got a storm a'comin'! jSarek 18:52, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, my...TIEPilot051999 18:56, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * This is great! This is the exactly the kind of recognition that we need to grow Wookieepedia.  Let's try to think of other places we can get our name out there.  Recommendations?  WhiteBoy 04:21, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * The only sad part of this is that soon this wiki won't feel so personal anymore. :( Adamwankenobi 05:39, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * My recommendation is we wait, actually; having both of those at once will be growing pains enough. Rushing our growth is going to do nothing but put undue stress on the admins and other regulars.  Slow and steady wins the race. jSarek 08:53, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I disagree here. There is still tons of work to be done, we need all the help we can get, and fast. And we can appoint new admins to handle increased traffic/vandalism/fanon. I'm sure Wikipedia didn't become the success it is by slowing down its marketing campaign. --Azizlight 09:07, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Glad you guys feel that way, because I'm toying with the notion of making improvement drive posts once a week. TFN isn't exactly overflowing with news these days. CooperTFN 03:08, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I think that's a great idea. I also think we need to promote Azizlight and StarNeptune to admins as well. :) QuentinGeorge 05:35, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * We've also made it to Fark. No one tell Slashdot until next week, OK?  &mdash; Silly Dan  18:22, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * The entire Wikicities network got hosed when Uncyclopedia was Slashdotted, so we might want to wait a little longer before trying that. Like until shortly before the heat death of the universe. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  19:05, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I concur. Adamwankenobi 19:09, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * We'll leave it as a last resort doomsday weapon if we get a really bad vandalism spree from somewhere else, then. 8)  &mdash; Silly Dan  19:46, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Re. Fark.com - if someone goes on a really bad vandalism spree, talk to the Fark moderators, who have said in the above thread that they will permaban anyone who 'defaces Wookieepedia maliciously.'
 * It hasn't been bad thus far, but thanks for the heads-up.  &mdash; Silly Dan  19:46, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Everytime this thing gets a popular link, it seems like everyone goes "oh crap, we're doomed!" and then not much really happens. I think some people just want the wiki concept to fail. =p CooperTFN 20:14, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think I may have been a bit alarmist. Sorry about that.  And we have had some new users register today, some of whom may have come in from Fark, who will probably go on to be productive editors.  The minor wave of vandalism was easy to fix, after all. 8)  &mdash; Silly Dan  01:24, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * WTF? I go AWOL for a couple weeks and all hell breaks lose! ;) --beeurd 04:56, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I can't wait for the heat death of the universe. -- Riffsyphon1024 16:36, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Stars, Systems, and Sources
Right now, there are a large number of unsourced stars and systems. I believe a large number of these can be sourced if we are allowed to make a couple of basic assumptions, which I believe are borne out in nearly all, if not all, cases. There may be exceptions to these rules, but they would be very much exceptions; if they turn up, then we simply rename the articles, much as we would do if we encountered a name for a ship or alien species that we only had a incomplete or provisional name for. Applying these rules will allow us to GREATLY cut back on the unsourced articles we are currently faced with. jSarek 08:31, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * 1) Systems are normally named after stars. This is obvious in the WotC planet format, which lists "System/Star" as a single entry in the format (e.g. here and here).  Thus, unless given reason otherwise, a source that provides a star name should be sufficient to provide a source for the existence of its system.
 * 2) Planets with numbers as part of their name (e.g. Garos IV, Barab III) imply that they're the Xth planet orbiting the star with that name, and thus also the Xth planet in the system with that name, where X is the number. Thus, a source naming a planet with a number in its name should be sufficient to provide a source for the existence of its star and system, again, unless given good reason otherwise.
 * While I am kinda wary of adding sources to articles that are just conjecture, I do agree that something has to be done about the influx of sourceless articles (sorry about that, btw). Wasn't there a discussion about creating a conjecture template a while back? I think this would be a good time to put it to use. StarNeptune 09:18, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * No need to apologize; you've been doing the right thing, totally. However, I think this is a case where a conjecture tag is unnecessary.  The two rules, I think, are held to pretty closely; I personally can't think of any counterexamples, and it's hard to think of how there *could* be counterexamples (in the case of the former, it would make the RPG stat templates unworkable or at least very kludgy; in the case of the latter, why would you be numbering planets out from a star with one name when the star has a different name?). jSarek 09:57, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Ask the good people of Clak'dor VII, sixth planet in the Colu system. &mdash; Silly Dan  19:53, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Kriff you, and the mindbending-yet-totally-canonical piece of evidence you rode in on! ;-) I want Troy Denning's hide. Okay, that leaves two questions: 1) is that exception (and any others that are out there) sufficient evidence to make the rules a bad idea, and 2) is there similar evidence for systems with different names than their stars? jSarek 23:09, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I know that the Endor system's primary star is not named Endor. StarNeptune 23:12, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't blame Denning, jSarek -- blame whoever decided that the Bith didn't live on the 7th moon of a gas giant called Clak'dor. Anyway: (1) It isn't evidence enough to make it a bad idea, and (2) in nearly every other case, a system is named either for its sun or for the most important planet in the system.  Therefore, any unsourced system which has the same name as its star or a major inhabited planet can be assumed to be sourced, as far as I'm concerned, as can any star "X" with a sourced planet named "X III" or similar.  &mdash; Silly Dan  23:53, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * That was Denning - he invented the Bith's home planet and system in Galaxy Guide 4: Alien Races. Anyway, thanks for the support on the two questions.  jSarek 09:05, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * True, but someone else named the other planets in the system. &mdash; Silly Dan  18:01, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Also consider this rule may apply to races and species of planets, whereas they have the same names, or names with -ians or -ans. -- Riffsyphon1024 16:40, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * That requires a bit too much conjecture: the Myomarans could be from Myomar, Myomara, Myomar XII, Nooblehoff in the Myomar system, five systems in the Myomaran sector, etc. &mdash; Silly Dan  18:01, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)

News from Wikipedia
Over on Wikipedia, they've temporarily disabled the rights of anonymous editors to create new pages, though they are still allowed to start new talk pages and edit existing pages. Will wikicities do the same? Should it? &mdash; Silly Dan 23:53, 5 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think it goes far enough. I believe anonymous users should not be allowed to edit at all, registration should require an email confirmation, and the IP address should always be listed next to a registered user's name. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  00:56, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * And everyone should wear little armbands with the Star of David on them. CooperTFN 00:58, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, that's the fastest any conversation I've started has ever been Godwinized. Just wanted to bring it to people's attention.  &mdash; Silly Dan  01:15, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Heheh. I try. =) CooperTFN 01:17, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'm impressed at how cleverly you took my desire to make life difficult for vandals and trolls and equated it to mass genocide. I salute you, sir. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  03:09, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * T'was but a joke, good sir. CooperTFN 03:14, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Given the availability of free and/or anonymous Internet e-mail service providers, I see no reason that users who want to contribute could not join without raising privacy concerns. --SparqMan 01:46, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia is Wikipedia. Their experiments (and this is an experiment) shouldn't concern us in any way. I see no reason to disallow anonymous editing. - Sikon [ Talk ] 09:27, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * There is a news article about it, if anyone is interested. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4502846.stm --beeurd 04:00, 7 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Redlink List

 * Not sure if it could be done, but it could help get them made. Is there a way that once a link is made to an non-existing page, that it would be automatically added to a list of non-existing links?  Then maybe a link to the list could be added to the main page so people could easily access the list and try to create the links.  Once a redlink article is created then it could automatically be taken off.  It would be better then having us manually making the list (which would take ages). DarthMaul431 04:38, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well there is such a thing called Wanted pages. -- Riffsyphon1024 05:20, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)

List of templates
I added an "Other" section to Template messages/User namespace/ and added the Firefox template. I'm pretty sure I've seen some other user templates floating around. If you know of one that's not on the list, please add it so we can keep a complete list. This will allow everyone to know what all templates they have available. WhiteBoy 17:03, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I've also begun going through the list of templates there to list a few that we can delete, merge together or redesign. --SparqMan 20:14, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)