Talk:Meetra Surik

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HEY UNPROTECT ARCHIEVE 4
HOW CAN WE DICUSS IF THE PAGE IS LOCKED!!!
 * http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/archive --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 16:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * There is nothing to discuss. The issues of the Exile's gender have been discussed over and over again. There is no point in restarting the discussion. -- SFH 16:14, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * And don't remove people's comments. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 16:36, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Note
The lengthy discussions previously here have been put in the third archive. If you want to start a discussion, you may want to check one of the previous archives to see if your points have been raised already. If you want to start up a discussion complaining about the Exile being female: please do so on another site, unless you can find a genuinely new point and can do so without insulting other editors or the Lucasfilm people responsible for setting the female lightside Exile as canon. Thanks. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 15:25, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Brianna
Two questions: If the Exile is female, then what is the fate of Brianna? If she's one of the lost jedi, then did she die with the rest of her sisters at the Telos Academy, or did she slip away from or survive the Exile's slaughter? Jedi Wolf 3:46, 22 Octbober 2006 (UTC) That's true I suppose; I thought the murder was implied, but considering how much content is missing it's probably not a good idea to make any assumptions. For all we know Atris just wanted to tell them they had the rest of the day off. XD Master Kavar 02:18, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Unknown. Completely and utterly unknown as to what happens to the Handmaiden Sisters. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 19:53, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe in the female Exile scenario that Atris murders the handmaidens herself, to prevent them from discovering her fall to the dark side. I can't say if this happens to Brianna is well, she's not shown at all. Master Kavar 00:14, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The game makes no indication of this, does it? Kreia tells the handmaidens that Atris wishes to see them, and we never see the handmaidens again... however, in the male version, Kreia gives the same line and we DO see the handmaidens again. So I'd attribute it more to a lack of content, than to an implication that they were killed. -BaronGrackle 02:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)

Malachor
Can someone post a quote from an official source confirming that Malachor was destroyed, please.
 * What do you mean? The planet disintegrated in one of the final cinematic videos in KotOR:TSL.– 20:46, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

There is more than one ending. I'm trying to find out if its destruction was confirmed in an official source, for a theory I am developing.
 * In the canonical ending Malachor was destroyed. So yes, it was. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 07:22, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * There's only two endings: Light or Dark. And since the Light Side ending is canonical, Malachor V was disintigrated as the Exile left it. It's gone. As for a quote, look here on the talk page, at the top. She is listed specifically in the New Essential as a "heroine." I don't much think "heroine" constitutes the Dark Side ending. --Scy Storm 07:30, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Irony
As stated by Kreia in KOTOR II, Revan and the Jedi Exile are ironically described being total opposites, namely; Revan being called "The Heart of the Force", while The Exile was called "The Death of the Force".

How is this ironic? Kreia doesn't "ironically" describe them as total opposites she flat out and plainly describes them as total opposites.(Ulicus 12:34, 25 October 2006 (UTC))
 * You're right, that bugs the hell out of me. I would change it myself if I could. Master Kavar 16:50, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * All an administrator has to do is take out the words "described being"..."being called"... and "was called", and then fill in the grammatical holes. -BaronGrackle 20:26, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think they should just remove "ironically." I don't recall Kreia ever mentioning it as being ironic, though you can correct me if I'm wrong. It's plain to see that it is NOT ironic, so if Kreia DID say it was, then we'll go with your idea, Baron. --Scy Storm 07:33, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think she ever called it ironic, but "Heart of the Force" and "Death of the Force" are nearly direct opposites. As Revan and Exile were major controllers of Galactic events, one after the other, it could qualify as irony&mdash;it's just that Kreia's description was not ironic. Kreia was not being ironic; they were. Grammar structure. But removing the word "ironicallly" also fixes the sentence. -BaronGrackle 15:51, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hi, um...I wrote that triva. I didn't know she purposely stated it as such, I thought it was coincidental. I didn't think it'd cause so much irritation, either. Sorry. --_-- Xepeyon 02:44, 30 October 2006 (UTC)

Lightsaber of the Jedi Exile
Although the player has the choice on what type and color the lightsaber is that Atris takes out during their conversation at the Telos Academy, if the player declines to talk about the lightsaber after Peragus, the default lightsaber is a single-bladed cyan-colored lightsaber.

I would like to know where this piece of information came from, as well as any instances in the game it is verified. In my experience, if the lightsaber discussion with Atton is dismissed, the default lightsaber of the Exile is single-bladed, and the colour depends on her class (yellow for the Sentinal class, blue for Guardian and green for Consular). This is shown during the Trial of the Exile cinematic, where she proceeds to stab her ignited lightsaber into the center stone.

Where did the idea of a cyan lightsaber come from? --Chaota 20:59, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That's bizzare Chaota; I've played that scene a dozen times myself, and if the question of the Exile's lightsaber was dismissed it is always set to single blade Cyan. And I've done that scene with all three starting classes. I'm not certain why it would be different for you. Master Kavar 21:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The Exile was a general in the Mandalorian Wars. She probably started out with a standard color, but changed it to something that suited her better. It should also be noted that cyan is halfway between green and blue, possibly implying a balance between Jedi Consular and Jedi Guardian.--Atlas503 05:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Gaaahh! Not gameplay mechanics again. - Sikon 06:21, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that might be looking a little too deep into it Atlas, it's just a random color after all. It wouldn't really matter what the color was...except maybe red, that would probably raise a few eyebrows. Master Kavar 07:35, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well a few Jedi had red lightsabers, without falling, or haven fallen to the darkside. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 12:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * So I've heard, but those Jedi were all from the New Jedi Order of Luke Skywalker, correct? Master Kavar 23:41, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope, Adi Galia is an example 81.76.30.151 23:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Adi Galia is, like, THE example. It may not have been law that red = evil, but it's the general impression that everyone gets. "Wait, you didn't go red, did you? [...] Great. After we're all dead, you and that Sith can have a party."

- Atton Rand (paraphrased)


 * NOTE: For whatever reason the Jedi Exile has a cyan lightsaber, cyan is in the middle of blue and green on the color spectrum. This could be an indicator that the Exile was a balance between a Jedi Consular and a Jedi Guardian, or it could be a complete and total coincidence.--Atlas503 07:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That's an interesting take, but the game already presents a balance between Consular and Guardian: the Jedi Sentinel. -BaronGrackle 14:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Miscategorization maybe?

 * For once, this is not about the gender of the Exile. I was just wondering why the non-canon romances are placed in a non-BTS section. And personally, I think the section on Sion is stretching it, but there may be some more knowledgeable people out there than me. I played the game through as LS Female to get a perspective on canon. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 17:43, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought the non-canon romances were in the bts section already? Oh and trust me, the Sion blurb there is completely accurate. I've checked and compared the male/female scripts myself. The female Exile even has the option of returning his feelings (or lieing that she does) just prior to their final battle. Master Kavar 21:34, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the "Romance" heading is at the same level as the "Behind the Scenes" heading, so I treated them as if they were separate section. Atris, Brianna, and Visas are all in that Romances section as opposed to BTS. I believe you on the Sion thing . . . but that's just about as wrong as Palpatine and Isard. Nyaaggghh. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 15:17, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well the Behind the Scenes section is above the Romances section, so it's inside it. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 19:09, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 19:53, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. (Sorry if i sounded rude, i was being rushed). Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 20:23, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No offense taken. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 01:45, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

New image proposal
Well, since inserting any image into the article without discussion is likely to generate a lot of heat, I'm putting the image here for your consideration. This is not meant to be used as the main infobox image, but rather as a thumb within the article text.

As I see it, Force Sight is perfect here because it obscures details away, while retaining the general idea. - Sikon 19:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC) It doesn't look too bad to me; where do you propose placing it within the article? Master Kavar 23:39, 3 November 2006 (UTC) ''Exile: During our fight, Visas did something to my eyes. ''Kreia: She did nothing to your eyes that was not already there. .I'm not sure how this would fit into canon or continuity exactly. Master Kavar 06:35, 4 November 2006 (UTC) If the picture isn't going to show detail about the character in the article, then It shouldn't be there. MPK 13:33, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Erm, tbh, i don't really see the point. It doesn't igve any detail at all, and it's better of not being in the article IMHO. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 20:41, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks like a blue blob. Bleh...-- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 20:49, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Should I also note that it is not canon at all? Visas casting force sight during their duel is cut content, making it non-canon. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 23:45, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not so sure it is cut content exactly Redemption; the scene where Visas attacks the Exile with Force sight itself was cut, but afterwards you can talk to Kreia and the Exile acts like this scene did take place:
 * or the article for that matter. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 08:41, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Harbinger to Onderon?
"The Harbinger, a Republic cruiser bound to Onderon"

I thought it was going to Telos? If I remember correctly, on the logs on the Harniger, didn't carth say that the Exile must reach Telos?
 * The Harbinger was originally headed for Onderon, but it was redirected in order to pick up the Exile and bring her to Telos.– 02:25, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Swoop Racer
Since it is suggested that Revan participated in Swoop racing on Tatooine and Manaan (other than Taris of course); facutal evidence for this being that on Onderon, one of the citizins (NPCs, have you) will call the Exile a swoop racer and say she should go pro, so shouldn't we add that to her list of accomplishments.RushinSundaws 06:38, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe, I'm not sure. We could say for sure that Revan was a swoop racer because there was some mention of his exploits in TSL's, but with the Exile it's not so clear. That Onderonian may be a glitch, because I've had them say that even when I didn't race at all. Just because the player can swoop race, doesn't mean the Exile did, or even do well for that matter. Space Ball 11:03, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

Gender
I'd like to point out that the official trailer for the game refers to the Exile as a male. In light of this, I do not think that the Exile should necessarily be considered female yet.
 * This has been discussed a million times before. Check the archives linked at the top of the page. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 20:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Trailer pre-dates both game and the book. Exile is female. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 20:53, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Usually, the more recent release of a canonical source is the "most canon." Except for movies, of course. A game trailer is probably "outcanoned" by anthing, though. Trailers are made to ignite interest in a game (or movie). Since (I think) many would play with a male character, setting the player's character as male is better for merchandizing. - TopAce 20:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Given that Chris Avellone said the trailer has nothing to do with the actual game events and it was a conscious decision, it's non-canon. - Sikon 03:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Name
There has been some debate as to choosing a name for the Exile. I think fans should do what is being done for Jacen Solo as fans are helping choose his new Sith name. Fans should submit name ideas, the writers choose the top ones they like, and fans vote for them. Jedi Striker, 25 November 2006, 02:15 (UTC)