Talk:Galen Marek

Can we be sure he is human? Maybe he is cuztomazable.
 * I doubt it. By this time, the Empire was already Humanocentric. I doubt Vader would have an apprentice of any other species besides Human. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 11:53, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It's already confirmed that he will not be customisable and will be a human guy with a fixed name. Kuralyov 22:37, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Now we just need the name. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:44, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Dang, and I was looking forward to all the fun that came with a customizable gender (see Revan and The Exile) DAWUSS 02:46, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, this avoids pointless gender discussions. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 13:29, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Can't blame 'em for keeping the Wookieepedian's interests at heart. Though I'm sure there's going to be another game that's going to have a selectable gender that's going to bring back the flame and edit wars once again. DAWUSS 14:22, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Definitely. It's called KotOR III. ;) &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 14:26, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * His name is Drake Lo'gaan. ;) .  .  .  .  22:22, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source for that?Telos 05:34, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It was a joke. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 14:51, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * After what Vader did to Zonder, I doubt that would happen. ;) &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:31, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Now wait a second, after what happened in End Game, Drake apparently joining with Vader after Ekria's supposed death, it's a possibility Vader's apprentice could be Drake. It's merely a possiblity, not a probability.RushinSundaws 15:52, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 18:18, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know. Having read Drake's page, it almost seems painfully obvious that he must be Vader's apprentice. Down to the black hair and the mention of cuffs... plus the cliff-hangeresque ending of the article. I guess we'll see, won't we? Plus, I don't know why LA would be witholding the player character's name unless they really wanted it to be a surprise. --Israi 18:35, 12 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I agree that a very likely candidate is Lo'gaan. But I suppose we'll find out soon enough. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 19:20, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Selected from the Shadow Guards' ranks?
Do you think he may have been a Shadow Guard that showed promise to Vader? Inigo Montoya 21:45, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I doubt it. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:31, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Formerly a Jedi/Padawan?
This picture of the new Unleashed figures from Hasbro shows what is commonly referred to as a "unidentified young male Jedi" shown with other Force Unleashed characters. Given the figure's remarkable similarity to this image of the secret apprentice in Game Informer, especially in terms of what they are wearing (green-hued outfit, bared forearms, gloves, silver item on the torso), it's not a complete stretch of the imagination to say that the unidentified Jedi and the secret apprentice are one in the same. If this is the case, the fact that he is holding a blue lightsaber in the first picture may indicate that he was either a Jedi or Padawan during the Clone Wars. If you take a look at the other pictures in the same gallery, you will also notice that he is grouped in the same foursome as General Kota, the Zabrak Jedi, and Palpatine... not Vader, Juno Eclipse, and the two Shadow Guards. (Unleashed figures are, I understand, sold in sets of four.)

This may explain why so many promotional images and videos have featured the PC beating up on stormtroopers: It seems plausible that the character starts out on the run from the Empire, and only after demonstrating significant Dark Side abilities does Vader express interest in taking him as an apprentice. I would go further to speculate that General Kota is the character's Jedi master, but I have no evidence upon which to base that statement, simply my own inclinations. --Israi 18:40, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * In all likelihood, Vader's apprentice was a former Jedi Padawan. We just need it to be stated officially in words first. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:19, 24 February 2007 (UTC)


 * The Apprentice is Ferus Olin, its so obvious. He looks a damn lot like him, Last of the Jedi finishes just before this starts, in Secret Weapon Ferus actually pledges himself to the Dark Side, Palps knows Vader doesn't like Ferus. Who's to say Vader doesn't fake Ferus' death and secretly make him his Apprentice? Reveals his true identity says something about helping the Galaxy get back to the way it was, and boom, there you have it. aeods
 * I don't think it's Ferus. He doesn't have the same hair, and the image of the apprentice doesn't look much like Ferus in any respects. Plus, I just can't picture Ferus working as Vader's apprentice after what he did to Roan. It seems he is learning more from Palpatine than from Vader, and I don't think Vader would train Ferus due to their past disagreements in the Jedi Order. 24.131.128.231 01:58, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It can't be Ferus, because then Palpatine would have known. Palpatine doesn't know about Vader's apprentice. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 11:25, 8 May 2007 (UTC)


 * i think you are all wrong i think it will be a new character that we dont know about and i dont think you start as a jedi if you did why would it say "Vaders Secret Apprentice" i think you can turn from the sith and become a jedi later on Mevan 17:11, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * We're not talking about the apprentice starting off as a Jedi in the game. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 19:19, 9 May 2007 (UTC)

Suit
Doesn't his clothes appear similat to Revan's? Not entirely, but somewhat? Jango Fett  ( Contact a Mandalorian ) Lord Patrick 02:22, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I was thinking the same thing, actually. Throw a mask on there and, at first glance, they'd be identical. Undoubtedly, the developers are hoping to capitalize off the immense success of KOTOR and the popularity of Revan. Fans love mysterious, ridiculously powerful Sith characters in robes. --Israi 17:43, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh goodness.. I just hope this game doesn't inspire the hordes of retarded fanboys to claim Revan can beat Mr Sidious (Most powerful Sith Lord, per NEC and DE sourcebook) since this guy can (possibly). As if KOTOR II didn't ruin his character enough with "Revan is teh best as everything lolz!" and "Revan became a Sith 2 save teh Galaxy!1!1". Don't get me wrong, though, I like Revan, and his fashion sense is matched only by Vader's. But let's face it, Star Wars started with such a Sith. Lord Patrick 01:01, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I suppose one of the non-canonical endings will be with Vader's apprentice killing Palpatine. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 02:18, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I'm concerned about. This guy summed it up well (not me); http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?showtopic=46185&pid=748784&mode=threaded&start=#entry748784
 * Remember, there's only one canonical ending, which won't result in the apprentice becoming more powerful than Vader or Palpatine. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 02:26, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I know. It just that if this guy COULD defeat Palpy, that opens the door for idiot fanboys to claim that Revan/other fanboy idol could too. But I'm sorry for going off topic. Let's get back to the article. Lord Patrick 03:32, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * One last thing: Where did this "Revan's ability = this apprentice's ability" come from? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 12:06, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's more that, as Architect put it, if this man can kill Palpy/Vader, then fanboys will claim Revan can too, since based on game mechanics, this guy seems to roughly have the same abilities. Lord Patrick 21:46, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Let's not assume too much now. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:03, 8 March 2007 (UTC)
 * We have to remember this game will not be a RPG Kal-El
 * No offense, but what does that have to do with this discussion? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 00:34, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I guess I just don't see why it would matter if Revan could or could not theoretically beat Palpatine. That's like pondering whether Alexander the Great was a better general than George Patton. Why does it matter? It doesn't. Even if Revan could have beaten Palpatine, he didn't. Period. Their relative power is totally irrelevant to either character or to their real accomplishments. --Israi 18:58, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, this entire topic has become irrelevant. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 00:14, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm curious as to whether or not this guy is going to be a *descendant* of Revan, igniting a fire for the whole "Revan and Bastila had a baby" crowd... DAWUSS 00:35, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh my God... Enough with this pointless discussion. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 00:36, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Apparently, he's not a Sith
Taken from the Gamespot coverage "We had to get especially nerdy and ask how Darth Vader could take on an apprentice when he is himself the Sith apprentice to Emperor Palpatine. While your character is plenty evil-looking and wields a red lightsaber, company reps were quick to point out that he isn't a Sith at all." --LightWarden 04:12, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Dark Jedi, then. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 11:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Either that or a Dark Side Adept or whatever the heck you call those people... DAWUSS 14:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, by definition, he was both a Dark Side Adept and a Dark Jedi. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:04, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Does Tao fit in with this?
Tao Even though the article, at this point, is considered of dubious canonicity, how does Tao fit in with this? Tao was a former Jedi who was taken by Vader to become his apprentice. While it was in Star Wars Manga 1 and Star Wars Manga 2, I'm not sure if this conflicts or not. User: Mak Manto

I'm guessing that Vader could have taken another apprentice after this one died. Perhaps the canonical ending is that Sidious/Vader eventually kills him.

Uh. Ferus? Ok.
There is almost no evidence that the apprentice is Ferus... there is just as much evidence, if not more, that the character is Drake Lo'gaan. We also have no idea at what point between the rise of the Empire and the Battle of Yavin that FU is actually set, so there is no way to know whether or not a certain book is set "just before" the game.

It is also implied that Vader's apprentice is secret from the emperor, which contradicts what we know about Ferus, who is said to serve Palpatine. More importantly, none of these theories are anything but fan speculation. I am removing the bit about the possibility of the apprentice being Ferus. It isn't even written well, for pete's sake. Israi 00:56, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

ORRR your harsh, but I agree User:Kami-Sama
 * Yeah, it's just speculation. It doesn't belong here. I personally am thinking it might be a totally new character. Maybe he becomes Darth Krayt (seriously, how weird would that be)!! Chack Jadson 19:20, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Extremely weird. User:Kami-Sama

I was just about to say, it is possible that he IS Ferus. Read the most recent Last of the Jedi book. Spoiler:He becomes Palpatine's apprentice. Is it possible he's transferred over to Vader?--1upD 21:17, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * As I said before, it is clear from what little we know of the game that this is Vader's secret apprentice, who is supposed to help Vader overthrow the emperor, who is supposed to go so far to concealing his identity that he even kills Imperial witnesses. Every indication is that this guy is a secret from Palpatine.--Israi 16:34, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

perhaps it's a bran new character User:Kami-Sama


 * Um, a date (ABY/BBY) for the novel based on the game is set, meaning a date for the game is set, and that date is just after the Last of the Jedi series finishes. Ferus joins the Empire in The Secret Weapon, and the Apprentice looks a lot like Ferus. Vader faking Ferus' death would wipe him from Palpatine's radar when he has people like Drake Lo'gan he could be potentially melding. Vader trains Ferus in secret, perhaps revealing he was Anakin, and hates the Empire just as much as Ferus. Ferus believes him, and together, Vader trains Ferus to be his secret weapon. Aeods 12:50, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Or we stop speculating and wait until the game comes out. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 12:57, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Jal Shey Neophyte Armor
i was playing kotor 2 and noticed his armour resembles Jal Shey Neophyte Armor User:Kami-Sama
 * And what does this have to do with Vader's apprentice? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 14:24, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Jack, the armor is similar. Although it really is useless information. Chack Jadson 14:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Chack, the comment posted by Kami-Sama gives the incorrect impression that Vader's apprentice was in KotOR II. That's why I said what I said. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 14:35, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh. Sorry then. I interpreted it differently. Chack Jadson 14:37, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * What i'm sayin is that vaders apprentice's armour could of been inspired by the jal shey neophyte armor.
 * P.S i hate u all


 * If you hate us so much, why did you bother posting? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 19:16, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

cus i can User:Kami-Sama
 * Rofl, 10 for maturity  Stake black   msg 19:29, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

thnk u User:Kami-Sama
 * One for spelling. Jasca Ducato 22:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * And a 10 for ability to recognize sarcasm.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|20px]] 22:05, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, this has turned into a great discussion. How nice of you to point out that Vader's apprentice's clothing resembles jal shey neophyte armor, Kami-Sama. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:22, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

1 image for now
Thanks jSarek. Maybe we should start a CT on this, but when an article is clearly too small to fit more than one image, ie when an image is next to or immediately below the infobox, or if an image is tacked on to the bottom of the article and looks isolated, then IMO we sould just stick to the one best image. --Azizlight 11:38, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The image is still there so heres a consensus. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 11:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Keep the image at the bottom

 * 1) We have an image; therefore, we should use it. In addition, it's at the bottom, where it doesn't interfer with anything. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:21, 4 May 2007 (UTC)

Remove the image at the bottom

 * 1)  Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 11:45, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Azizlight 11:47, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Jedimca0 (Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 12:19, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Terrible angle. 159.250.23.2 Darth Metus 18:13, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) For now. -- Ozzel 18:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Lord Hydronium 22:28, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Good lord. Does that mean we should plonk in every image of the Apprentice that we have? Thefourdotelipsis 22:33, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Uggllyyy. Chack Jadson 01:17, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) Too random there  Stake black   msg 15:27, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Comments
We'll also have to decide which image to use. I think I like the one currently at the bottom. --Azizlight 11:47, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Minus Azizlight, I don't see anyone trying to come up with a compromise. This issue can be solved with a compromise, that is, if anyone else tried to make one. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:26, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The only way i can see two images fit on this page is if we call in Erik Pflueger to expand the text. :-P --Azizlight 22:49, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Or we put in every image we have of Vader's apprentice into a gallery at the bottom of the article, as I had suggested. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 14:45, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sloppy. Do more with less. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 15:17, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Images. Supplement. Text. Thefourdotelipsis 22:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Images. Are. Used. To. Make. The. Article. Look. Better. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:09, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No, they aren't, as that would not be Fair Use. They must convey information, i.e. supplement the text, not merely provide aesthetic value. jSarek 23:41, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * So we're just going to remove an image just because it's at the bottom of the article. Well, then, I guess there's more articles with pictures at the bottom of them that need to be removed. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:43, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sometimes those images aid in conveying information for text further up the page. I don't know if this particular image does or not (hence, I haven't yet voted), but I wanted to nip misconception itself in the bud. jSarek 23:45, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, according to everyone who left a comment on their vote, they want it removed just because they don't like where it is. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:47, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Images can be *excluded* for aesthetic reasons, but need a Fair Use rationale to be *included*. jSarek 23:51, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess it doesn't matter anymore. Go ahead and remove the image and unlock the page. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:57, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Done and done. Hopefully, the article will be expanded soon enough to justify the image's placement. jSarek 00:26, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

Move to "Secret Apprentice"?

 * That's what the character is being called here, as well as here. jSarek 07:55, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. If something without a defined name (such as this character) is mentioned somewhere in official publications (such as the links provided), "Secret Apprentice" has more canon bearing than "Vader's Apprentice". Even though we do know he's Vader's apprentice. Jorrel [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Fraajic 08:00, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * How about Vader's secret apprentice? It's more specific this way. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 11:16, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Let's just keep it under the name it's under until they release a canon name. Unit 8311 19:57, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * By "name it's under", I assume you mean "Vader's apprentice". &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:18, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I do. Unit 8311 10:10, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Good. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 11:04, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think moving it wouldn't be a good idea. Let's wait until his canon name is confirmed. - TopAce (Talk) 20:33, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:42, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * HEY!!!! His name was Darth' Vader's SEEKER Apprentice, not secret. thats what the producer said in an interview on X-Play. I just saw it, they showed one of his pictures and it said Darth Vader's Seeker Apprentice. Say it like it is... Or it was. 02:38, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * . --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 13:44, 28 May 2007 (UTC)


 * ... &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 14:20, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yea I saw those. Everywhere else says Secret. That's why I mentioned this. For some reason, he was written as Seeker apprentice. BTW, Jack, whats with the sigh? :( Say it like it is... Or it was. 17:54, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought you were serious about making it "Vader's seeker apprentice". Hence the sigh. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:18, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No, no. I was trying to say that Blackman called him Seeker on X-Play. [[Image:XEPE.JPG|150px]] Say it like it is... Or it was. 15:02, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

New image
someone should put the images from the game informer that covers this. in particular the one where he uses the force to extend his lightsaber cuttin an AT-AT in half, and when he uses the force to cause a ISD to crashland on a planetTyber Zann 15:09, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * We don't have enough room. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 19:44, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Overthrow Palpatine?
Vader hoped to use him to eventually overthrow Emperor Palpatine...Where did this come from? Does any source say this? I've already tagged it for sourcing in the article, but could somebody clarify where this comes from? It doesn't sound like the sort of thing Vader would do... Unit 8311 20:38, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * "It doesn't sound like the sort of thing Vader would do". You might want to watch The Empire Strikes Back, then, especially the part when Vader tells Luke that if he joins him, they could overthrow Palpatine and rule the Galaxy. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:15, 16 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Whether Vader would want to overthrow the Emperor or not is beside the point. I'm asking where this comes from. A link to something would do just fine. Unit 8311 20:50, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * "Whether Vader would want to overthrow the Emperor or not is beside the point". Why, if you're the one who said Vader wouldn't do such a thing in the first place? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:55, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The point of the question is what source says that Vader intended to use this apprentice to overthrow Palpatine. For all we know, he could have been simply using him to exterminate the Jedi and then kill him himself. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 00:32, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That could be true. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 14:41, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Redemption makes a good point. In Dark Lord, Vader is shown to have much more interest than Palpatine in killing the remaining Jedi. Unit 8311 14:50, 18 June 2007 (UTC)