Wookieepedia talk:Community Portal/Archive8

Heroes and Villains
Would it be a good idea to have a Favourite Hero of the Year and a Favourite Villain of the Year? We already have Mister Star Wars 2005 and Miss Star Wars 2005. There are lots of heroes in Star Wars such as Ulic Qel-Droma, Bastila Shan, Yoda, Mace Windu, Anakin Skywalker, Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Chewbacca, Leia Organa Solo, Anakin Solo, Jacen Solo, Jaina Solo and Kyle Katarn. There are also lots of villains such as Naga Sadow, Exar Kun, Darth Revan, Darth Malak, Darth Bane, Darth Sidious/Palpatine, Nute Gunray, Wat Tambor, Ask Aak, Passel Argente, Darth Tyranus, Darth Vader, Thrawn, Carnor Jax, Prince Xizor, Nil Spaar, Nom Anor, Tsavong Lah and Onimi. Most of these are popular among the fan community and I admire both the good and the bad guys. Is this a good idea? Should we? -- MyNz 14:54, 16 Dec 2005
 * When I made the Miss Star Wars 2005 page I was also toying with the idea of having more awards such as "Best New Character of 2005", "Best New Location of 2005", to identify or celebrate the latest and best additions to the saga. Might be fun. --Azizlight 02:11, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Both ideas are good. Hollis 01:51, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I think that sounds great! I'm definitely for it! Star War Guy 16:23 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Featured images
Should we consider adding a featured image process to Wookieepedia in the near future, similar to Wikipedia's? I'm sure we have tons of images that would fit the criteria, and in my opinion would make things a bit more interesting. --MarcK [talk] 13:54, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm certainly all for that, but let's find a solution to the featured article nomination problem first, and implement it for this, so we don't end up with low-res images of Aayla Secura every week. --Imp 14:01, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well said :p - Sikon [ Talk ] 15:25, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Liberation of Coruscant
There seems to be some significant variation on the chronlogy of the First Battle of Coruscant (Galactic Civil War). Some pages suggest it occured in 6 ABY, others that it occured in 7 ABY. The correct answer is...? --SparqMan 17:30, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I've always read that it was mid 7 ABY, since Zsinj was killed in 8 ABY. -- SFH 18:35, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * The NEC places "The Battle for Coruscant" at 6.5 - 7 ABY. jSarek 21:46, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * As in the infiltration began at 6.5 or the fleet arrival? --SparqMan 03:25, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * The section begins with the re-activation of Rogue Squadron and the capture of stepping-stone worlds like Borleias, and ends with the Ackbar wiping out Coruscant's Star Destroyer defenses and putting the planet in the hands of the New Republic. The next section, "The Krytos Virus," begins with the New Republic discovering that Ysanne Isard had fled, leaving the planet dying from the eponymous plague. jSarek 22:15, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Further timeline issues
It seems that 12 ABY and 13 ABY are fighting over the events of Darksaber. Any definitive source on this? --SparqMan 18:33, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * "The Darksaber Threat" and "Admiral Daala Returns" are both pegged at 12 ABY by The New Essential Chronology. jSarek 21:43, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Oh no! They stole it all!
http://encyclopedia.wizards.pro/index.php/Catalogue_of_Celestial_Bodies - try clicking planets at random... start with well-known ones to get the idea...

I know they can copy articles verbatim, since they are also GFDL, but I thought they should at least have given us attribution. - Sikon [ Talk ] 15:25, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * That's a really strange wiki. They've copied everything from here... even our user accounts. --Imp 20:15, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * IIRC, the GFDL requires that a copy be accompanied by the history of the original and where it was copied from. Angela may be the best person to contact with related GFDL concerns. --SparqMan 21:31, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I've just made a note on that page that the content at the articles it linked to was originally copied from this wiki. Adamwankenobi 22:59, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm..discussion pages and all! Looks like they just grabbed a backup and restored it to their server.  And, yes, they're supposed to credit who all contributed to the articles, just like we're supposed to credit Wikipedians if we grab an article from there.  WhiteBoy 22:19, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Animated GIFs?
Are they not allowed under fairuse? or are they just plain illegal? Razzy1319 01:24, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia seems to be fine with them. --MarcK [talk] 01:30, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * There's a conflict between Wikipedians over the use of things like animated GIFs. Some suggest that because the Internet allows their use, they should be used where they can enhance an article. Others contend that they are unencyclopedic in nature and should be avoided. --SparqMan 02:38, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I think they're usually annoying, and I can't really think of a situation where they would add something to the article. Some kind of Flash application to get a 360 view of ship or some other kind of infographic thing that can be controlled by the user, maybe. But random animation? No. --Dark Spork 04:42, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well the ones that are uploaded arent random. They show important events that add to the information. rather than a picture of a random frame that needs further explanation the animated GIFs provide a more thorough detailing than a few words can dexcribe. --Razzy1319 17:25, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Wikicities tour
How about joining the Wikicities Tour? - Sikon [ Talk ] 10:58, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure why not. And at the same time, people can actually learn how to contribute in the correct formats. -- Riffsyphon1024 11:03, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)

So, here is the order in which the pages go:


 * Starting page
 * Main Page
 * About us
 * Welcome, newcomers!
 * Star Wars
 * End (unlinked now)
 * End (unlinked now)

As I understand, subsequent pages are meant to show sample articles on the wiki. I'll leave it to the others to decide which articles should be shown in the tour. I think they should include not only featured articles (definitely Palpatine %), perhaps one or two more), but maybe one or two small articles on obscure topics. Just to give an impression about how this is different from Wikipedia. - Sikon [ Talk ] 12:22, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Our main difference is the fact that we have many more obscure things here. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:35, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Pronunciations
Can someone take Leland Chee's list of pronunciations and put them into appropriate articles using IPA? Not being a native English speaker, I find it somewhat difficult to convert the notation. (I hope the new pronounced template will help.) - Sikon [ Talk ] 09:47, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * The IPA characters still don't render properly for me, so I probably shouldn't take that task. --SparqMan 11:32, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Collecting members' locations via Frappr
I enjoy Riffsyphon1024's idea of showing the Wookieepedians' locations on a map, but there is a method of assembling such a map automagically: Frappr. http://www.frappr.com/wookieepedia Adding yourself to the map is very easy. If someone else (a Wookieepedia admin, perhaps) wants to administer it, post your email address and I will mail you the password. - Sikon [ Talk ] 16:50, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we used that for all of the members at originaltrilogy.com a while back. Not only does it allow your name and location, but you also can upload a picture of yourself or an avatar of yourself and leave a "shout-out." I support the idea as well. General Kenobi 17:52, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a good idea! Xwing328 22:15, 26 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Image Issues
Can some please upload images for the articles on books from the Junior Jedi Knights and the Young Jedi Knights series? Though I'm not really a fan of these books, I think its a disgrace that we don't even have images for the articles on the books. I also notice that while the articles on Jacen and Jaina have pictures from their childhood: that is the YJK. The Anakin Solo article has none from the JJK.

There's a link that contains a picture of Anakin Solo from Vader's Fortress. Can someone please sort this problem out by uploading this image to the article? Can someone also please upload images for the articles on the books from the YJK and JJK. MyNz 8:44 27 Dec 2005


 * Not to be rude or anything, but what's stopping you from uploading that image yourself? The great thing about a wiki is that anyone can fix it up. If you find an (official) image on the web like the one you just found, and you think it will enhance an article, you can upload it and add it to the article yourself. There's no need to tell us to do it when you could do it yourself. StarNeptune 23:00, 26 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * When I get home tonight, I'll add the book covers for the series.
 * The pics for the books are up now. Xwing328 01:25, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * The reason why I am not able unload a picture is because I don't know how to. That's the truth despite being good at writing articles and lists, and being good at words.MyNz 21:39 27 Dec 2005

WTF?
May I ask why the hell our featured article of the week is one that has a cleanup tag?? That's a little embarassing, and makes a mockery of the whole Featured Article selection process. --Azizlight 02:08, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * ~sigh~ I wanted to set some ground rules for the selection of these things, but apparently the fanboys don't want to hear it... StarNeptune 02:21, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It wasn't a fanboy, it was Kuralyov. He mentioned that there was something about there being a separate bio still in there. -- SFH 02:30, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * All of these problems should be well-addressed before something is ever a featured article. What we need is a peer review process, so that articles can (hopefully) be looked at objectively by a wide range of editors (aka those like Kuralyox) who are not the "fanboy" types, so that all of these problems can be addressed. Putting up articles that are unorganized, incomplete, etc., may end up giving this wiki a bad name. This has been a constant concern of mine here. Our FA process needs to be similar (though not quite as strict) as Wikipedia, IMHO. General Kenobi 05:31, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say that the article requires the cleanup tag. The section dealing with Kyle's changing character separate from his biography is just a different way of handling the article (as we lack standards on that stuff yet). Peer review isn't the answer, a shift away from voting is. Nominated articles that meet the requirements should be objected to, not voted for. --SparqMan 06:09, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Consensus track
Hi there folks. There are a few important new or stalled discussions going on over at Consensus track. Please take a moment to read, ponder and discuss. It's important to the wiki. --SparqMan 06:31, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * More specifically, comment on the featured article ground rules and criteria discussions, because we need an official solution to this featured article problem as soon as possible. --MarcK [talk] 10:53, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Young Jedi Knights Book Template
I recreated the Template for the Young Jedi Knights series in order to incorporate the different story arcs. This is the original:

This is my new one:

I'd like an opinion of whether or not the original should be changed. Thanks. Xwing328 18:43, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC) I really like it! Padme829 15:06, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)Padme829
 * It is far too large. I think the old one was fine until we revamp all book series templates. --SparqMan 18:00, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)

The Swarm War spoilers
Please remember to place spoiler when adding new material from The Swarm War. We have no set policy on spoilers, which is why we need your participation on the Consensus Track page for spoilers. Thanks. --SparqMan 18:02, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * But on that topic...I'm a little disappointed in the slow pace of TSW material being added. I'll blame the holidays. --SparqMan 20:34, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Announcing Wookieenews!
In case you haven't noticed, I've changed the Current Events section to Wookieenews. The concept that Riff and I have in mind is anything news-worthy that's of interest to this site: Star Wars, Wookieepedia, wiki technology, etc. I like how Riff put it: "I want to see what's happening in the world of Star Wars right now. If there's a story on two fans electrocuting themselves with Force FX lightsabers, I want to see it on here with appropriate links to news articles elsewhere. Ongoing events, news of cast members, etc."

So here's a call out to all you journalists out there...we need stories! :) WhiteBoy 09:22, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)

From Wikipedia...
It's an old one, but still... From Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Darth Sion:


 * The article is entirely written as if Sion's story is an absolute narrative that a player passively observes and cannot affect. "He would later duel with the Exile on Korriban, and defeat him, but the Exile would escape."  I only learned from reading another article (not this one) that the "Exile" is the player character.  So does the quoted sentence mean that the player has no choice but to duel with Sion on Korriban and will inevitably escape no matter what he does?  It doesn't say "if the player survives past level 3..." or "if the player decides to go to Korriban, he will be attacked by..."  And does that sentence mean that the player is incapable of defeating him, no matter what?  Why?  It doesn't say "the game designers made Sion impossible to defeat," it just states that the player is defeated.  For all a reader of the article knows, it's just because no one who wrote the article was good enough to defeat Sion at that point in the game.  Yet somehow the player is destined to escape; does Sion always refrain from delivering a fatal blow?  What if the player decides to remain there until one of them dies?  Is the player swept away to safety against his will?  The entire article is written like this ("the Exile was forced to use his powers of persuasion to turn Sion against his own beliefs"), without any acknowledgement that a real human player interacts with this character and becomes involved with the story, which is instead described as if it were merely a self-contained narrative.  The entire article is nonencyclopedic fancruft writing, written simply to satisfy fans who want to know the complete fictional history of the fictional Star Wars universe, rather than to portray facts about how a fictional character was created, how the fictional work portrays him and his relationship to it, how he is experienced/encountered by the consumer/audience, and what that audience thinks about him.  The article needs more than just a couple style tweaks; it needs a complete rewrite.  Postdlf 18:22, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

- Sikon [ Talk ] 07:45, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, what? -- Riffsyphon1024 07:54, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Guys that that dude take all the fun out of life. :( General Kenobi 12:13, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Domain name
When will the domain name of this wiki be changed from "Star Wars" to "Wookieepedia?" General Kenobi 10:11, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Categozing Images?
So that we minimize duplicates. although its not a problem now, it might grow some day... grouping them in galleries is good too. Dont know if thats bad for page numbers though. And is it possible to put a link to the various galleries on the upload page? --23:20, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * There are actually several image categories, it's just that people are too lazy to put tags on them half the time. --MarcK [talk] 11:19, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Featured
Wookieepedia is now a Featured Wikicity, so you can all stop voting now. I'm not really that familiar with this wikicity, nor am I really that much of a Star Wars fan (sorry fellas), so someone might want to look over the blurb I wrote, and fix it up and change/add whatever details are necessary. Also, I don't know if you want to put something on the main page or not, but the option is always there.--Tim Thomason 11:16, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)

How do you download Images onto articles?
I would like to do know how do you download images onto articles. My History of Star Wars article desperatly needs some. Star Wars Guy 13:38, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Press the "Upload file" button in the "Toolbox" section right below the Google search bar to the right of your screen. And remember, it's not your article. --Imp 13:42, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Changing article titles?
Is there anyway to change the title of an article? I ask because Polvin Kut (from the Tales story 'The One Below')has been incorrectly spelt as Plovin Kut, and I would like to alter this. KastMorben 17:35, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed there is, simply press the "move" button on the top of the page and send it to its new location. --Imp 17:37, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)

First meeting - Saturday, Jan 7th
OK, this has been in the works for a while, but now it's official. :) We're going to have a little meeting among us Wookieepedians to discuss a few things.  Here's the time and place:


 * Jabber (XMPP) conference (wookieepedia@conference.jabber.org) @ 8PM EST on Saturday, Jan 7, 2006 

If you're not familiar with XMPP (formerly Jabber), here's a few things that will help you get started.
 * If you use Windows, I recommend Exodus (http://exodus.jabberstudio.org) for a Jabber client. I use this all the time for all my IM, and it works.  I can walk you through this, if needed.
 * For Linux, Gaim (http://gaim.sourceforge.net). I haven't had a chance to test this yet.  Can someone test it and let me know?
 * For Mac, iChat is supposed to work with it or maybe try Gush (http://2entwine.com/). Does anyone have access to a Mac so you can test it?
 * If you don't like any of these, here's a whole list of Jabber clients.

If you've not used any of these before, I recommend getting it setup and connecting to the chat room beforehand. If you need any help, check out this user guide or drop me a line. Hopefully everyone will enjoy this meeting, and we might make this a regular thing. :) WhiteBoy 00:28, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * The pre-party has begun already! --Imp 17:20, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * The meeting has started. Get on Jabber immediately if you wish to participate. --Imp 01:19, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Other timezones

 * 2 AM Sunday January 8, 2006 in Oslo, Norway. --Imp 14:35, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * 12pm (midday) Sunday January 8, 2006 in Sydney, Australia. --Azizlight 01:02, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)