Wookieepedia:AC/Log/2019 August 24

Aug 24 15:00:25 All right, welcome to AC Meeting 119 Aug 24 15:00:46 We will start off with articles from last meeting. Aug 24 15:00:57 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Tolga Aug 24 15:01:01 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8440431 Aug 24 15:01:06 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Tolga_(second_review) Aug 24 15:01:10  Tolga, tolga, tolga, Aug 24 15:01:11 No changes. Aug 24 15:01:13  Kill Aug 24 15:01:16 Kill Aug 24 15:01:18  Kill Aug 24 15:01:37  Imperators votes kill too Aug 24 15:02:02 Tolga killed. Aug 24 15:02:17 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Tutso_Mara/Legends Aug 24 15:02:21 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8440434 Aug 24 15:02:25 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Tutso_Mara/Legends Aug 24 15:02:30 No changes. Aug 24 15:02:33  Kill Aug 24 15:02:39 kill Aug 24 15:02:39  Kill Aug 24 15:02:50 Kill Aug 24 15:03:00 Tutso Mara killed. Aug 24 15:03:17 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Rakririan Aug 24 15:03:23 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8440446 Aug 24 15:03:28 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Rakririan Aug 24 15:03:32 No changes. Aug 24 15:03:41  Kill Aug 24 15:03:45 kill Aug 24 15:03:48  Kill Aug 24 15:03:54 Kill Aug 24 15:04:01 Rakririan killed. Aug 24 15:04:08 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Vune_Willic Aug 24 15:04:13 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8440451 Aug 24 15:04:17 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Vune_Willic Aug 24 15:04:22 No changes. Aug 24 15:04:25  Kill Aug 24 15:04:27  Kill Aug 24 15:04:29 KILL Aug 24 15:04:31 oops Aug 24 15:04:39 Kill Aug 24 15:04:45  Don't apologize for your bloodthirstiness :P Aug 24 15:04:48 Vune Willic killed. Aug 24 15:04:53 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Titterbug Aug 24 15:04:59 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8440453 Aug 24 15:04:59 I don't want to single out any one article :P Aug 24 15:05:03 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Titterbug Aug 24 15:05:05 No changes. Aug 24 15:05:06  Kill Aug 24 15:05:08 kill Aug 24 15:05:09  Kill Aug 24 15:05:23 Kill Aug 24 15:05:26 Titterbug killed. Aug 24 15:05:37 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Iziz_defense_tower Aug 24 15:05:42 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8440455 Aug 24 15:05:49 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Iziz_defense_tower Aug 24 15:05:53 Just a bot change. Aug 24 15:05:56  Kill Aug 24 15:05:57  Kill Aug 24 15:06:00 kill Aug 24 15:06:02 Kill Aug 24 15:06:15 Iziz defense tower killed. Aug 24 15:06:27 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jev_Sunrider Aug 24 15:06:33 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8440457 Aug 24 15:06:43 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Jev_Sunrider Aug 24 15:06:51 Some stuff happened here Aug 24 15:06:59  I don't know why people try and fix things Aug 24 15:07:08 <Toprawa> It goes against the natural order of things Aug 24 15:07:12 <Toprawa> Death is the way of things Aug 24 15:07:15 <Toprawa> The way of the *Force* Aug 24 15:07:35 something something sun setting Aug 24 15:08:02 <Toprawa> I guess it's a keep Aug 24 15:08:11 <AnilSerifoglu> Imperators left another objection Aug 24 15:08:16 <AnilSerifoglu> which is unaddressed Aug 24 15:08:23 yeah an image would be cool Aug 24 15:08:33 <AnilSerifoglu> I'd say extend Aug 24 15:08:47 <Toprawa> Extend Aug 24 15:08:51 Extend Aug 24 15:09:37 extend Aug 24 15:09:47 Jev Sunrider extended. Aug 24 15:09:59 <MasterFred> Ok, back Aug 24 15:10:02 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kurt Aug 24 15:10:06 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8440460 Aug 24 15:10:13 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Kurt_(second_review) Aug 24 15:10:15 No changes. Aug 24 15:10:16 <AnilSerifoglu> Kill Aug 24 15:10:18 <Toprawa> Kill Aug 24 15:10:18 <MasterFred> kill Aug 24 15:10:24 kill Aug 24 15:10:35 Kill Aug 24 15:10:39 Kurt killed. Aug 24 15:10:56 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ktriss Aug 24 15:11:00 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8440463 Aug 24 15:11:05 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Ktriss_(second_review) Aug 24 15:11:08 No changes. Aug 24 15:11:10 <Toprawa> Kill Aug 24 15:11:12 kill Aug 24 15:11:14 <AnilSerifoglu> Kill Aug 24 15:11:19 Kill Aug 24 15:11:34 <MasterFred> kill Aug 24 15:11:39 Ktriss killed. Aug 24 15:11:53 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sunrider_naming_controversy Aug 24 15:12:01 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8440465 Aug 24 15:12:06 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Sunrider_naming_controversy Aug 24 15:12:11 No substantial changes. Aug 24 15:12:16 <MasterFred> kill Aug 24 15:12:17 <AnilSerifoglu> Kill Aug 24 15:12:23 <Toprawa> Kill Aug 24 15:12:25 Kill Aug 24 15:12:41 kill Aug 24 15:12:48 Sunrider naming controversy killed. Aug 24 15:13:01 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Recon-PK_series_droid Aug 24 15:13:05 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8440467 Aug 24 15:13:08 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Recon-PK_series_droid Aug 24 15:13:12 No changes. Aug 24 15:13:13 <AnilSerifoglu> Kill Aug 24 15:13:15 <Toprawa> Kill Aug 24 15:13:17 Kill Aug 24 15:13:18 <MasterFred> kill Aug 24 15:13:28 kill Aug 24 15:13:53 Recon-PK series droid killed. Aug 24 15:14:14 On to new articles... Aug 24 15:14:25 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Daimlo Aug 24 15:14:37 As OtterSurf recently admitted that he doesn't have Star Wars: Racer Revenge: Prima's Official Strategy Guide, which is the second most used reference in his GA Daimlo, the article should be probed for lack of verified attribution. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 20:55, August 16, 2019 (UTC) Aug 24 15:14:49 <AnilSerifoglu> Probe Aug 24 15:14:57 <MasterFred> probe Aug 24 15:15:11 <Toprawa> Probe Aug 24 15:15:15 Probe Aug 24 15:15:26 probe Aug 24 15:15:36 Daimlo probed. Aug 24 15:15:51 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Galen_Torg Aug 24 15:16:00 since the medium in ref 1 is not listed under Sources, the ref needs to do a better job of explaining how the information is derived from that medium to apply to the article's subject. Imperators II(Talk) 07:48, August 21, 2019 (UTC) Aug 24 15:16:13 And Hanzo's reply: Just saw this now after seeing Anil's changes. He addressed this. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 03:10, August 23, 2019 (UTC) Aug 24 15:16:23 <AnilSerifoglu> Spare, I think it's fine now Aug 24 15:16:35 <Toprawa> Spare Aug 24 15:16:39 Spare Aug 24 15:16:46 spare Aug 24 15:16:53 <MasterFred> spare Aug 24 15:17:01 Galen Torg spared. Aug 24 15:17:07 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Vuchelle Aug 24 15:17:15    Remove link from History quote Aug 24 15:17:15    After a closer inspection, can we not just say the planet was gaseous? If you look at the planet in the infobox image, those are clearly supposed to be gas clouds in the atmosphere like you would find on a gas giant. Aug 24 15:17:15    Underlinking. And is it "task force" or "taskforce"? The article alternates. Aug 24 15:17:15    The year 22 BBY cannot be sourced straight to the HNN article, which only uses GrS. Aug 24 15:17:15    Consider whether it's worth using a cropped portion of this to illustrate Vuchelle's placement within the Pentastar Alignment borders Aug 24 15:17:15    BTS unsourced. A publication date would be nice for the HNN article, the authors and illustrator don't appear to be mentioned anywhere in that HNN article, and the TEA sentence can just be removed. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:15, August 22, 2019 (UTC) Aug 24 15:17:15    Update needed. Imperators II(Talk) 19:25, August 22, 2019 (UTC) Aug 24 15:17:27 <AnilSerifoglu> Probe Aug 24 15:17:28 <Toprawa> Probe Aug 24 15:17:33 Probe Aug 24 15:17:39 <MasterFred> probe Aug 24 15:17:49 probe Aug 24 15:18:00 Vuchelle probed. Aug 24 15:18:41 Uh, I think the next one is supposed to be Boles Roor/Legends: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Boles_Roor/Legends Aug 24 15:18:51    General cleanup needed for linking throughout article. Fix redirects and redlink. Aug 24 15:18:51    Digitize comic image Aug 24 15:18:51    There are a lot of instances of multiple references at the end of sentences (ex: [1][4][12]). If portions of a sentence need to be individually referenced, that should be done so. Ref notes should not just be tacked onto the ends of sentences. Aug 24 15:18:51    Article should have an Equipment section to detail his podracer. It seems like a lot of this material needs to be moved out of the P/T. Aug 24 15:18:51    Infobox-exclusive information. Aug 24 15:18:51    I'd like to see the P/T detail his little beads he wears on his chin tendrils or whatever those are supposed to be. Aug 24 15:18:51    None of the BBY dates appear to be referenced correctly Aug 24 15:18:51    Publication dates and author/illustrator credits would be nice in the BTS Aug 24 15:18:51    "Podracing Tales" needs to utilize SW.com citation template in Appearances and referencing Aug 24 15:18:51    Reference 17 seems a little too heavy on original research and presumption; i.e., "Roor's skills are also surprisingly low for what could be expected of a Sneevel pro pilot". Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:15, August 22, 2019 (UTC) Aug 24 15:19:09 <Toprawa> It is supposed to be/Legends Aug 24 15:19:09 <AnilSerifoglu> Probe Aug 24 15:19:16 Probe Aug 24 15:19:18 <Toprawa> Probe Aug 24 15:19:23 <MasterFred> probe Aug 24 15:19:40 probe Aug 24 15:19:42 Boles Roor/Legends probed. Aug 24 15:19:53 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Yeb_Yeb_Adem%27thorn Aug 24 15:20:00    Would like to see the CCG infobox image uploaded to higher resolution and quality Aug 24 15:20:00    32 BBY cannot be sourced to CSWE Aug 24 15:20:00    Why does this need two ref notes? Cite by individual sentence portion if necessary: "He opposed Senate Resolution BR-0371, which called for the taxation of trade routes.[3][5]" Aug 24 15:20:00    The Bio image could probably be cropped to center and focus better on the Swokes Swokes, which will help them look larger and clearer in thumbnail view. A more square-shaped image will also fit better in that article section. Aug 24 15:20:00    BTS unsourced. Publication dates would be nice. Aug 24 15:20:00    SW.com Databank template entry name needs to be formatted correctly Aug 24 15:20:00    Ref 2 needs to use CSWECite. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:15, August 22, 2019 (UTC) Aug 24 15:20:08 <AnilSerifoglu> Probe Aug 24 15:20:09 <Toprawa> Probe Aug 24 15:20:12 <MasterFred> probe Aug 24 15:20:15 probe Aug 24 15:20:18 Probe Aug 24 15:20:24 Yeb Yeb probed. Aug 24 15:20:36 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Baxton Aug 24 15:20:42    I'd rather see this description migrated into the P/T: "Baxton was a big-shouldered Human male" Aug 24 15:20:42    I'm pretty sure neither of the ABY dates can be sourced straight to Fate of the Jedi Aug 24 15:20:42    The Biography certainly looks like it could be reorganized into two subsections of two paragraph each. This will allow for an additional quote and/or image if available. Aug 24 15:20:42    Fix redirect. Examine rest of article for underlinking. Aug 24 15:20:42    BTS unsourced. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:15, August 22, 2019 (UTC) Aug 24 15:20:46 <AnilSerifoglu> Probe Aug 24 15:20:54 <Toprawa> Probe Aug 24 15:20:58 Probe Aug 24 15:21:12 probe Aug 24 15:21:16 <MasterFred> probe Aug 24 15:21:29 Baxton probed. Aug 24 15:21:41 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Zinn_Toa/Legends Aug 24 15:21:47    21 BBY date absolutely can't be sourced straight to Annual 2011 Aug 24 15:21:47    Infobox-exclusive information Aug 24 15:21:47    Underlinking throughout article Aug 24 15:21:47    Why does this need two ref notes? "born on Glee Anselm around the beginning of the Clone Wars.[1][2]" Aug 24 15:21:47    The article would look more presentable with an image in each of the two Bio subsections, rather than sticking an image into the BTS. As an aside to this, the final Bio paragraph is fairly large and could potentially be broken up, which would possibly allow for three subsections of two paragraphs each. This will allow for more images and quotes if available. Aug 24 15:21:47    BTS is unsourced and should mention the episode's air date. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:15, August 22, 2019 (UTC) Aug 24 15:21:54 <AnilSerifoglu> Probe Aug 24 15:21:55 <Toprawa> Probe Aug 24 15:22:05 Probe Aug 24 15:22:17 <MasterFred> probe Aug 24 15:22:25 probe Aug 24 15:22:36 Zinn Toa/Legends probed. Aug 24 15:22:46 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Tol_Cressa Aug 24 15:22:55 Tol Cressa — It is claimed in BTS that he was first mentioned in Knights of the Old Republic 12: Reunion, Part 2 and later named in Knights of the Old Republic Campaign Guide, however, The New Essential Guide to Droids predates both of these sources and mentions him by his surname. In addition, I couldn't find Cressa's name in KOTORCG, although I may have simply missed it. 01miki10 Open comlink 19:18, Augus Aug 24 15:22:55 t 22, 2019 (UTC) Aug 24 15:23:03 Found it in page 81 of KOTORCG. 01miki10 Open comlink 09:48, August 23, 2019 (UTC) Aug 24 15:23:03 probe Aug 24 15:23:07 <Toprawa> Probe Aug 24 15:23:12 <MasterFred> probe Aug 24 15:23:13 Probe Aug 24 15:23:23 <AnilSerifoglu> Unsourced BTS, probe Aug 24 15:23:27 Note, the last sentence was struck. Aug 24 15:23:37 Tol Cressa probed. Aug 24 15:23:46 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/R3-T6 Aug 24 15:23:53    Would like to see the CCG infobox image uploaded to higher resolution and quality Aug 24 15:23:53    Neither the infobox or Bio instance of 0 BBY is referenced correctly Aug 24 15:23:53    Both infobox and article body omit things like droid degree, sensor color (if that can indeed be discerned), and plating color (which absolutely can be) Aug 24 15:23:53    Release date for film in BTS would be nice Aug 24 15:23:53    Ref 1 needs to use CSWECite. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:16, August 22, 2019 (UTC) Aug 24 15:24:04 <Toprawa> Probe Aug 24 15:24:05 <AnilSerifoglu> Probe Aug 24 15:24:05 probe Aug 24 15:24:08 Probe Aug 24 15:24:09 <MasterFred> probe Aug 24 15:24:26 R3-T6 probed. Aug 24 15:24:36 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Roo-Roo_Page/Legends Aug 24 15:24:41    21 BBY date absolutely can't be sourced straight to Annual 2011 Aug 24 15:24:41    Infobox-exclusive information Aug 24 15:24:41    Underlinking throughout article Aug 24 15:24:41    The intro seems a little large compared to the rest of the Biography size. I could see it being cut down by maybe 25%. Aug 24 15:24:41    There's little reason for an image to be stuck into the BTS like this. I would suggest just removing it. Aug 24 15:24:41    BTS is unsourced and should mention the episode's air date. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:16, August 22, 2019 (UTC) Aug 24 15:24:49 <AnilSerifoglu> Probe Aug 24 15:24:53 <MasterFred> probe Aug 24 15:24:57 Probe Aug 24 15:25:00 <Toprawa> Probe Aug 24 15:25:04 probe Aug 24 15:25:13 Roo-Roo Page/Legends probed. Aug 24 15:25:25 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jik%27Tal Aug 24 15:25:31    The infobox image should ideally be 400x400px, per policy. I imagine this image was originally taken from a pdf, which means a physical scan could produce the desired resolution. Aug 24 15:25:31    In this instance, I actually feel like maybe the intro a little too brief in relation to the rest of the Bio. Perhaps a minor expansion. Aug 24 15:25:31    There doesn't appear to be any sort of time frame presented for the events of this article. Can this not be gleaned from the source material? Aug 24 15:25:31    It certainly looks like there could be a minor Equipment section to detail things like his robe, while mentioning whatever insignia that is on it, and his utility belt, plus anything else the source material might present. Aug 24 15:25:31    Underlinking Aug 24 15:25:31    BTS is unsourced. Publication date for first mention would be nice. Just remove the CSWE sentence. Aug 24 15:25:31    Ref 2 needs to use CSWECite. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:16, August 22, 2019 (UTC) Aug 24 15:25:45 <AnilSerifoglu> Probe Aug 24 15:25:45 probe Aug 24 15:25:48 <Toprawa> Probe Aug 24 15:25:52 Probe Aug 24 15:25:57 <MasterFred> probe Aug 24 15:26:03 Jik'Tal probed. Aug 24 15:26:12 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jarvashqiine Aug 24 15:26:22    Underlinking Aug 24 15:26:22    I would say the italicized portion of this sentence is just unnecessary and can be removed. The dates for his life can be gleaned from his article if necessary. Alternatively, present the dates in a ref note without the need to state this in the article body itself: "...and it was as a Sith Lord that he visited the Jarvashqiine at some point in his life, sometime between 82 BBY and 4 ABY." Aug 24 15:26:22        Depending on what is done with this issue, the date referencing isn't accurate or ideal anyways. Aug 24 15:26:22    I don't really see the need for this sentence, which seems extraneous and superfluous to the focus of this article subject: "The Jarvashqiine was not the only shamanistic order in the galaxy—many species, such as the Ewoks, Jawas, Duloks, and Nelvaanians practiced such beliefs, often on primitive, nonindustrial worlds." Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:16, August 22, 2019 (UTC) Aug 24 15:26:22    BTS is unsourced. I would say the last two sentences are unnecessary. Aug 24 15:26:26 <AnilSerifoglu> Probe Aug 24 15:26:34 Probe Aug 24 15:26:36 <Toprawa> Probe Aug 24 15:26:38 probe Aug 24 15:26:40 <MasterFred> probe Aug 24 15:26:58 Jarvashqiine probed. Aug 24 15:27:31 Okay, does anyone have any other articles? Aug 24 15:27:36 <AnilSerifoglu> I do have one actually. I'm recommending a Redux for Gilad Pellaeon. It got a significant uppdate per Thrawn: Treason. Aug 24 15:27:52 <AnilSerifoglu> I'll make a one last change to it later tonight Aug 24 15:27:56 <Toprawa> Have you finished updating it? Aug 24 15:27:56 <AnilSerifoglu> Mostly BTS Aug 24 15:28:17 <AnilSerifoglu> Yes, just a few referencing stuff and BTS Aug 24 15:28:24 sorry folks, I must continue Aug 24 15:28:37 Frd gets my vote Aug 24 15:28:42 probe all the rest Aug 24 15:28:46 <Toprawa> I will not deny you your Redux if that is what you seek :P Aug 24 15:28:49 <MasterFred> 'Til the spire :P Aug 24 15:28:59 <AnilSerifoglu> Heh :) Aug 24 15:29:38 Okay, I'm fine with Redux. Aug 24 15:30:02 Was that a vote for redux, Fred? Aug 24 15:30:05 <MasterFred> redux is fine by me Aug 24 15:30:15 Gilad Pellaeon reduxed. Aug 24 15:30:19 Anything else? Aug 24 15:30:31 <AnilSerifoglu> None from me Aug 24 15:30:32 <Toprawa> Gotta save some love for next meeting :P Aug 24 15:30:46 Okay, are there any discussion items? Aug 24 15:30:57 <Toprawa> Nothing for the Roman Forum? Aug 24 15:30:58 <MasterFred> I'm good. Aug 24 15:30:59 <Toprawa> Tragic Aug 24 15:31:27 Okay, onto paperwork duties... Aug 24 15:32:25 So, I'm on paperwork, I think? Aug 24 15:32:36 Am I reading it right: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/AC_Bylaws Aug 24 15:32:44 <Toprawa> Yup Aug 24 15:32:48 <Toprawa> Well, no Aug 24 15:32:54 <Toprawa> Wait Aug 24 15:33:00 <Toprawa> This confused me last time too Aug 24 15:33:08 Ecks just did this one. Aug 24 15:33:29 <MasterFred> I assumed that list showed whoever scheduled the next meeting. Aug 24 15:33:37 <MasterFred> And that person logically does the paperwork for the current one. Aug 24 15:35:04 <Toprawa> Why is this being so confusing? Aug 24 15:35:20 I'm wondering if we did it wrong the last time. Aug 24 15:35:22 <Toprawa> This confused me at the last Inqmoot, I mean Aug 24 15:36:00 <Toprawa> At the last Inqmoot, Imperators did Meeting 106's paperwork and scheduled Meeting 107 Aug 24 15:36:03 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Inquisitorius_bylaws Aug 24 15:36:06 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Meeting_107 Aug 24 15:36:15 <Toprawa> So that means Tommy would do 107's paperwork and schedule Meeting 108 Aug 24 15:36:43 <Toprawa> So that means ecks should do 119's paperwork and schedule 120 Aug 24 15:36:45 <Toprawa> Am I wrong? Aug 24 15:36:54 That would be consistent. Aug 24 15:37:07 I just assumed he wouldn't schedule two in a row. Aug 24 15:37:12 <Toprawa> Yeah, I don't know how that happened Aug 24 15:37:26 Okay, ecks is on paperwork. Aug 24 15:37:39 Thanks for attending everyone. Aug 24 15:37:45 <Toprawa> Thanks for hosting, EJ Aug 24 15:37:47 <AnilSerifoglu> Thanks for hosting, EJ Aug 24 15:37:49 No problem. Aug 24 15:38:22 <MasterFred> Thanks for hosting. :D