Talk:Bib Fortuna/Legends

Can't we find a better quote? CooperTFN 00:44, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Jedi Advisor

 * "Later, Bib Fortuna apparently reformed and became an advisor to the Jedi Council, although he lost this position under vague circumstances."

OK, I'm going to assume this is related to that dumb crap from a while ago. Someone show me this isn't fanon or this gets erased. --Thanos6 16:16, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * What dumb crap are you referring to? --Master Starkeiller 16:17, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Some anon posted "Bib Fortuna reported to the Jedi Council, but after his latest report contained over 300,000 pieces of vague information he was fired" or something like that. --Thanos6 16:18, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, I removed it. It couldn't have been anything else but stupid fanon. --Master Starkeiller 16:21, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see why people keep assuming it couldn't be canon just because a troll posted it, and did so in a way that made the information sound ridiculous.
 * Here's an example: Imagine that the Palpatine article didn't have any information on the events of the Dark Empire series, and simply ended with Palpatine's first death at Endor. Then, by some unlucky circumstance, the first person who submits any information about Palpatine being revived is a troll who posts a paragraph along the lines of "palpatine's remains were blown 2 the planet abyss where they came back together. palpatine remade the empire from scratch and luke decided to become evil and join him to become the new darth vader. luckily then han solo shot palpatine to death with his mad shotting skillz which was so powerful palpatine died 4 good".
 * Obviously, something like that would be removed quickly. But wouldn't it be silly if, from that point on, *any* information posted about Palpatine being reborn was immediately dismissed as trolling or false information, no matter how valid it truly was? It seems to me that's what you're doing here. I'm not saying I'm 100% sure I'm right (I've never read anything first-hand regarding Bib Fortuna becoming an advisor to the Jedi Council) but I've heard it from enough people and sources that it seems likely to be true, and you seem to just be dismissing it simply because of a troll who deliberately posted a falseified version of that information.199.79.168.160 20:38, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * What we would do about Dark Empire is the same thing we'd do here - if we have reason to doubt something, we ask for a verifiable source. If that troll said "it's true i read it all in dark empppirre yo," someone could pull out Dark Empire or read a few independent summaries of that comic, and determine that the overall story alluded to by the troll was true.  So far, this Bib Fortuna information is unverifiable - no source has been offered with regard to this information. jSarek 23:05, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * And if it is in one of the sources already listed, someone please let us know...&mdash; Silly Dan 23:49, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Further, if we have previously confirmed a piece of fanon, then something obviously related can be linked back. --SparqMan 00:01, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I just searched my e-text collection. Out of 236 books, stories, and magazine articles in my collection, 17 books contained both case-sensitive strings "Bib" and "Fortuna". 8 of those contained both the case-sensitive string "Jedi" and some variation of the word "council." At least one of those was a false positive. None of those books contained a reference to Bib Fortuna having any contact with the Jedi Council. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  00:04, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Still, I'm certain I've heard the tidbit about Bib Fortuna becoming an advisor to the Jedi several times before it was posted by the troll in this article, and I'll try to do a bit more research on the subject.

Affiliation
Why is his affiliation 'loyal to jabba', i mean the guy wanted to kill jabba.... --Standupngetcrunk 22:02, 18 January 2006 (UTC)


 * He still worked for him- most of the people who worked for Jabba planned to kill him or were allied with those who planned to kill him; Ephant Mon excepted of course. --Maru (talk) Contribs 21:15, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * And Salacious Crumb, but I think that was because he was too stupid to think of a way. Also, wouldn't his loyalty have been to the Desilijic kajidic? -- SFH 21:19, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Name change
I've noticed that some Twi'leks are having their names changed to the their Ryl pronunciation. Here, I would oppose that. As stated X-wing: The Krytos Trap, the Twe'lek's have formally broken Bib Fortuna's name apart, to signify a formal ostricization from the Twi'lek people. Thus it would be ofensive to the Twi'leks to hear his name put together. Granted, I realize that a non-existant species cannot be offend by us, but I thought I should make that point. -- SFH 19:26, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Minions, not prisoners
Betrayal is one of my favorite Jabba the Hutt stories, and I just wanted to clarify that Nivek and the other guys recruited by Bib to assist him in assassinating Jabba were not prisoners. They were Jabba's minions just as much as Bib was. They simply met down in the dungeon to avoid being overheard. Unless anyone objects, I've gone and changed all mention of "prisoners" to "minions" in articles relating to Betrayal.