Talk:Hero of Tython

clean
I am VERY bad at making pages, so if anyone could clean this up for me, that would be great.--Jet Twilights 21:12, December 26, 2011 (UTC)


 * Fix'ed the template, but I'd doubt the page is staying very long, I'm having a felling that the Admins are taking a "Spacer" stance on the MMO like with Galaxies. I could be dead wrong thou. --JacktheBlack 21:16, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

Reply
Well, if they have an Unidentified Sith Inquisitor, then they can have this! I just started it. Anyone else can come and finish this page because I clearly have no clue how.--Jet Twilights 21:21, December 26, 2011 (UTC)

Name change
After the end of the Coruscant quest line the Jedi is called the Hero of Coruscant. Should we use this title to refer to the character similar to how the Jedi Consular is referred to as the Scorekeepers herald?--Jedi Scioli 23:15, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * If it's a title specific to this character then I agree; their may be a more suitable name/title that the Jedi Knight attains later in the game, but I can't say as I've not played the Jedi Knight. But I fully support moving this to the Hero of Coruscant, defiantly preferable to yet another 'unidentified'. Alexsau1991 (talk page) StupidSithEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 23:51, January 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah that was my thinking, behind proposing the name change. I'm still playing the game so I'll find out if their is a more appropriate Jedi Knight centric title.--Jedi Scioli 16:26, January 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * My Jedi Knight somehow only got the title "Hero of Tython", not "Hero of Coruscant". The Tython title is acquired by defeating Bengel Morr. --91.47.107.73 06:54, January 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * The Jedi Knight gets the Hero of Tython title after completing act 1. Every Jedi character gets this title. So should just change the title or do we need a vote.--Jedi Scioli 13:40, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

A name, even if it's just a title, is always better than "Unidentified x", IMO. Providing we can confirm the title that's given at the end of the JK quest and not just one of the ones you pick up along the way, I think this is a great idea. -- DigiFluid 14:08, January 23, 2012 (UTC)

Why not just call the page "The Jedi Knight", as opposed to "Unidentified Jedi Knight"? The same way Meetra Surik was once known only as the Jedi Exile.

However, if we need a title, I think the Hero of Coruscant or Hero of Tython is best.

Moved?!
So uh....did I fall asleep and miss either a vote or else someone confirming that this is the title that the JK gets at the end of their story quest? Because if this is just a title that gets picked up partway through the main quest, moving it was a ridiculous decision. -- DigiFluid 06:09, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

Sorry. It was about midnight last night when I changed it last night, which I know isn't late for some people but I am a reverse vampire who weakens at night. I had just finished act 1 and confirmed the Hero of Tython title. I figured I would change it for now because anything is better then unidentified X. --Jedi Scioli 20:14, January 29, 2012 (UTC)


 * That's absurd. You can't just pick a random title from some arbitrary point during the game--there's tons of titles that characters pick up along the way. My Sith Warrior (at lvl 38) has at least 9 titles by now. It needs to be whatever title is earned at the end of the game. -- DigiFluid 20:53, January 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought it would be a good title because every Jedi Knight gets this title during the class storyline regardless of Light side/Dark side affiliation. To my knowledge The Jedi receives the Jedi Master title at the end of the main quest, but only if the Jedi stays Light side. If their is a more appropriate name I encourage a move, but I stand by Hero of Tython over Unidentified Jedi Knight (Cold War). --Jedi Scioli 23:16, January 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and why not any of the other titles that are picked up along the way--either in FPs, Operations, side quests or later on in the JK story? What stops anyone else from coming along and deciding that this page should be named for any of those, and moving without checking with anyone else? Moving without a vote to establish consensus (or at least a majority) has opened the doors to any amount of bickering over which title this character should be known as here. At the very least this needed to be put to a vote, not be a unilateral decision. -- DigiFluid 23:33, January 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * I definitely agree on that. Their has to be a vote. Like I said it was late for me when I moved it and I wasn't in the right frame of mind. I was just thinking "title confirmed, Move Jedi Knight page, sleep". --Jedi Scioli 01:12, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Pictures!
This article could definitely benefit from some pictures. I was thinking Pictures of Orgus, Kira, and Darth Angral. Anyone else have any ideas?--Jedi Scioli 01:57, January 30, 2012 (UTC)

Name change and move (again)
At the conclusion of "Race to the Ruins" when the Jedi returns to the Senate Tower, General Var Suthra calls the Knight the Hero of Coruscant. It seems none else has mentioned that or caught it. There was a suggestion above that this needs to be voted on which doesn't make much sense since the game calls the character that so its not something we can vote to accept or ignore, it just is. So this is more of a "heads up" as why this page needs to move. Cheers. Coruscantfan (Talk) 05:17, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Amendment to my above statement: May I suggest that we decide on a set course of action for further renaming of the article? It seems like the discussion above stalled/dropped over a month ago with no clear plan for further action. If someone else finds a new title for this Jedi, then great. Or should we just move it to Jedi Knight (Cold War) and leave it at that. That way, no further moves need occur, and what ever other "titles" don't cause more confusion than they already have. Ideas? Coruscantfan (Talk) 05:27, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's much preferable to avoid the "Unidentified Jedi Knight" if they have a unique title. I would recommend that the article be moved to the last or most prominent title given to the Jedi Knight and left there. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 05:34, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hence my move to "Hero of Coruscant". But if the title keeps changing as the game goes on? Hero of Alderaan, Hero of Tatooine, for example. The titles of Hero of Tython and Coruscant were mentioned only once each, so not exactly prominent I would think. So I'm not suggesting "Unidentified", just "Jedi Knight (Cold War)". If we really want to be technical about it, none playable characters constantly call him/her "Master Jedi". It is technically a title and one given after the Hero of Coruscant title, even though it is a general title for Jedi in Star Wars media. Coruscantfan (Talk) 05:43, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think Hero of Tython is the better title, because it is later on the game than Hero of Coruscant. Really, what do we lose by keeping the article name as the latest title?  All we have to do is create a redirect, and it's going to be confusing no matter what until they name the eight characters - which will most likely be after the game is offline (which will never happen :)). --Cade1 19:12, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Name change and move (again...Really?)
I think the hero of Tython is a better choice because, to my knowledge the Jedi is only referred to the Hero of Coruscant once by General Var Suthra, while he(.... Um it) is addressed as the Hero of Tython several times in game. --Jedi Scioli 19:53, March 9, 2012 (UTC)

-- Having played and beaten the game as a Jedi Knight as my main class, I can vouch for this. The character has an entire ceremony in his honor after the defeat of Darth Angral, commenorating him as the Hero of Tython, and throughout the rest of the game you are referred to this. The only time you are called the Hero of Coruscant is by Var Suthra, one single occurrence of this. So how does this take precedence over Hero of Tython? -- User:Danik Kreldin


 * Typically, articles get named for what a character is known as when they die and/or the most recent name or title a character has (hence why Jacen Solo's page lists him as Darth Caedus. In full disclosure, I haven't played the Jedi Knight quest so I can't speak to the validity of this; but my understanding from previous discussions is that the TOR JK receives the title "Hero of Coruscant" toward the end of the character's class quest. So–of course the character might've been referred to as the Hero of Tython more often in the game. That's his/her storyline, but for the sake of naming an article, it's the result of the endgame that matters.
 * Of course, that all hinges on the JK being given the title Hero of Coruscant at the endgame. As I said, I haven't played that class quest, so what I've just written could be completely irrelevant to the subject at hand. – DigiFluid 01:06, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

The Hero of Coruscant is given at the end of Coruscant which is the second planet while Hero of Tython comes later at the end of act one.--Jedi Scioli 02:39, March 20, 2012 (UTC)


 * Exactly&mdash;which is why it should be moved back to Hero of Tython. From my understanding, there's a whole dang ceremony for the Knight after he defeats Angral... isn't that official enough?  — Cade   Calrayn  21:37, March 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * I agree that an Chapter-end title is a more appropriate article name than one picks up partway through an Chapter–wholeheartedly. My only caveat here is that I think that using the Chapter 1 title as the article name is wholly inappropriate if the JK earns another title at the end of the class plot (or even, really, at the end of act 2). – DigiFluid 21:55, March 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Well, from what I have read and heard from other people, it doesn't seem like anyone has heard a title after Hero of Tython. And we can simply move the page to the new title if another one comes up. — Cade  Calrayn  22:58, March 21, 2012 (UTC)

Quotes
Could the article benefit from quotes of in game characters addressing the Jedi as the Hero of Tython, and if so what section would they go in?--Jedi Scioli 22:02, March 22, 2012 (UTC)


 * Entirely depends on what the quotes are and who says them. Care to give me examples? — Cade  Calrayn  22:03, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

"I know your face. The one who defeated Darth Angral. The Hero of Tython."

- Jomar Chul, to the Jedi

"The hero of Tython... you're a welcome sight!"

- Unaw Aharo, to the Jedi

Hope that helps.--Jedi Scioli 23:27, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Gender Assumption
Why is the Gender of the Hero of Tython assumed as male? I changed this once before to reflect that no gender is canonical, once again, someone has changed this to male.
 * Not sure what you mean, but a couple of things here. First, please remember to sign your posts with four ~ at the end. Second, I had a look at the article's edit history as far back as Christmas–didn't see your IP anywhere. Third, I had a skim through the article and the vast majority of it is gender-netural. There were just a few goofs near the end, which I've now fixed. As Wookieepedia is a collaborative project of many users, mistakes will inevitably slip through. Feel free to correct these in the future. &mdash; DigiFluid 16:57, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure my work has all been gender-neutral, but please point out anything you see that's above Search for the Emperor. As for the end sections, DigiFluid, I didn't write any of those sections after Alderaan. The whole Search for the Emperor and stuff that follows is all someone else's edit from several weeks ago, before I started working on it. I'm working my way down the article. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 18:34, April 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I wasn't criticising you or anyone else, Cade ;) It's just the nature of the beast that errors will slip through, and I was trying to point that out to our anonymous friend here (and prod them into fixing it themselves, instead of complaining that someone else hadn't fixed it.) &mdash; DigiFluid 19:28, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Like to matter a bit more.
I want this guy to matter, not be some person that ist canon and just a fan name and just think in my mind, oh that was the guy, no instead canon is this other guy, no i want Marbalo and his legacy to be an actual thing, just sayin.
 * Umm.... who is Marbalo? And what are you trying to say? Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 22:59, April 23, 2012 (UTC)

Just leting things out at the moment, and Marbalos my Jedi Knight, like the guy doing all that stuff, and im just saying that I like having, darn not show how to say.


 * I still don't know what you're saying. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 05:07, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

I'll get back to you on that.