Talk:Darth Vectivus

Is all the info coming from Lumiya? If so, should we take it with a grain of salt? -- SFH 20:19, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, we know nothing about him otherwise. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:22, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It's basically the same scenario as the Tragedy of Darth Plagueis the Wise; we only have the word of a character who is affiliated with the most untrustworthy group in the galaxy. So everything they say should be taken with a grain of salt. Lumiya doesn't even consider Palpatine and Vader true Sith - Kwenn 20:36, 21 May 2006 (UTC)
 * True. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:01, 22 May 2006 (UTC)


 * No reason to doubt it, so it's true. DarthMalus 05:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but still, we should keep the article as is. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:19, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

absolutely. there is something lumiya isn't telling him. though i'm sure jacen is redeemed either by luke, ben, his parents, or jaina. DarthMalus 14:21, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think Jacen should remain a Sith. But we're getting off of the subject. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:58, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Regardless of any possible future plans, the fact remains that Lumiya is the only source of info on this guy. There is, as yet, no official, OOU material on him - Kwenn 20:02, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, whether or not he was real, we should treat him as real for the time being. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:04, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

How do we know he is preceeded by Darth Mel? Is it in the book? Just curious. Stinkywookie 16:32, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You mean Darth Millennial? Well, apparently Lumiya said something that placed it after Millennial's time. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:15, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I didn't want to misspell it so I just shortened it. I can't wait to get my hands on this book. Stinkywookie 19:43, 24 May 2006 (UTC) I may have to hit up my local book store to see if they did that too Stinkywookie 20:01, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Same with me. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:41, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * On a related note to the book, how did people get it? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I got mine early because Chapters (Canadian book store) released it on the 20th instead of the 30th.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 19:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Now I really hate Borders and Barnes and Noble here in the U.S.... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:24, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Back to the point again. I didn't find any indication in Betrayal as to when he lived, apart from the "hundreds of years ago" comment. In fact the statement that he died of old age surrounded by friends and family doesn't sound very likely from a Sith of Banes order. Charlii 11:57, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it's all a lie, then? Just as Sidious pretends to be a regular guy, maybe Lumiya is making the asteroid administrator out to be more than he is? - Kwenn 12:01, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That or he is another splinter group....Lumiya now doesn't believe that Vader and Sids were true Sith so maybe there is another group of Sith. Stinkywookie 12:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Darth Vectivus is real. Lumiya may have tried to pretty him up and then disassociate herself with Sith like Sidious and Vader, to make her order seem different and nicer I guess. Her core character trait is the same as Sidious. Bothe want power, both use any means to get what they want. Telling the truth or telling lies is no exception. The point is that she needs Jacen. She will tell him what he wants to hear. Jacen doesn't believe the darkside exists, so naturally Lumiya would appeal to the delussion of his. The Sith prey upon weakness and exploit it. Anakin wanted to save his wife's life, Sidious knew this, he also knew his master had the ability, seeing it as an opportunity, he told Anakin about not only his possible creator, his own master, but a particular arcane discipline that Plagueis possessed. Anakin wanted that power, Sidious promises it, and Anakin pledges himself to Sidious. Lumiya may be doing the same thing to Jacen. Though unlike Sidious, she distorts the truth just enough to appeal to Jacen's own view of the force. DarthMalus 16:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Saying that Vectivus was real doesn't mean he was. It's the same deal with Plagueis&mdash;they haven't actually appeared anywhere yet, and we only have the words of characters. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:16, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Plagueis is mentioned in the NEC, so he does exist. Or are you arguing that it can't be trusted since it's written in-universe? We can only note where facts are dubious from an IU perspective, we can't leave information out of the Wookiee because of that. Charlii 19:21, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * We only have the word of a lone character that said Darth Vectivus was real. We have no actual proof that Vectivus was real. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Doesn't he actually appear in some way in the book. Like a ghost or spectre of some sort?  I think he was real but I would take what he says with a grain of salt. Stinkywookie 19:45, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Plagueis isn't mentioned in the NEC. That was written way before RotS was released (EDIT: D'oh. Just realized I got my acronyms mixed up. Thought you meant New Essential Guide to Characters. Apologies - Kwenn 20:09, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No, Plagueis really doesn't appear in the book. Mentioned, yes. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:44, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * True, but it still invalidates your point about us not knowing for certain if he truely existed or not Charlii 21:47, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm so sorry I forgot about what it said in the NEC. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:49, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * you know, everyone should chill, alot of people are getting to worked up about this betrayel infomation, whatever aspect of it. Jedi Dude
 * No, because we're discussing about whether or not Vectivus was real. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:52, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * well until we know for sure, he's real, and you don't need to be so rude about it you know. Jedi Dude
 * No. That doesn't settle it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:55, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * well to be honest, it seems to be the only way things are settled is when they go your way, no one will know if he is real until the book is out more widely, so for now the infomation should stay, that includes Vectivus, whether real or not. Jedi Dude
 * "...when they go your way...". No. The information is staying, but right now, we're discussing here whether or not he was an actual being. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:04, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * i was talking in general there, what im saying is there any point debating hes real until we have the books which concerns him?Jedi Dude
 * That's the thing&mdash;will there be one? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:21, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I was talking about Darth Vectivus. I know Plagueis hasn't been "seen." Stinkywookie 12:37, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Please don't post in the middle of a discussion. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:31, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

name
Just to throw this is, "vectis" is latin for "lever". Perhaps an inspiration for the name "Vectivus".
 * What does "lever" have to do with a Sith Lord? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:07, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The story of Vectivus was the lever that got Jacen to turn over to the dark side I guess... or something like that *shrugs*
 * It's a good thought. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:23, 30 May 2006 (UTC)