Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations

 The featured articles of the wiki are articles that represent the best Wookieepedia has to offer. This is not a way to showcase the articles of your favorite characters, spaceships, or the like.


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So just what makes a featured article? Well, we've prepared a list just in case someone should ask that, and it is as follows.

An article must&hellip;


 * 1) &hellip;be well-written and detailed.
 * 2) &hellip;be unbiased, non-point of view.
 * 3) &hellip;be sourced with all available sources and appearances.
 * 4) &hellip;follow the Manual of Style, Layout Guide, and all other policies on Wookieepedia.
 * 5) &hellip;not be the object of any ongoing edit wars.
 * 6) &hellip;not be tagged with any sort of improvement tags (i.e. more sources, expand, etc).
 * 7) &hellip;have a proper lead that gives a good summary of the topic and can be used for the front page featured box.
 * 8) &hellip;have no more than 3 redlinks.
 * 9) &hellip;have significant information from all sources and appearances, especially a biography for character articles.
 * 10) &hellip;not have been previously featured on the Main Page. Otherwise, it can only be restored to featured status.
 * 11) &hellip;be completely referenced for all available material and sources. See Sourcing for more information.
 * 12) &hellip;have all quotes and images sourced.
 * 13) &hellip;provide at least one quote on the article; a leading quote at the beginning is required. Only one quote would be allowed at the beginning of each section at max, although quotes may be placed in the middle of the article.
 * 14) &hellip;include a "personality and traits" section on all character articles.
 * 15) &hellip;include a reasonable number of images of good quality if said images are available.
 * 16) &hellip;pass review by the Inquisitorius review panel.
 * 17) &hellip;counting the introduction and Behind the Scenes material, be at least 1000 words long (not including captions, quotes, or headers, etc).

For more information on what makes a featured article, see What is a featured article?

How to nominate:


 * 1) First, nominate an article you find is worthy of featured status, putting it at the bottom of the list below; see criteria above. Note that a previously featured article cannot be featured on the Main Page again; however, it can be restored to featured status.
 * 2) Others will object to the nomination if they disagree that the article is good enough; they will then supply reasons for doing so, and ways to improve the article (errors, style, organization, images, notability, sources).
 * 3) Supporters adjust the article until the objectors (with reasonable objections) are satisfied.
 * 4) The article is placed on the featured article list and added to the front page queue.
 * 5) Also, if, at least a week after the article's nomination, that article has 5 Inquisitor supports and no objections (or the objections have been stricken or overridden), it will be added to the queue, and will be officially known as a "featured article".

How to vote:


 * 1) Before doing anything, be sure to read the article completely, keeping a sharp eye out for mistakes.
 * 2) Afterwards, compare the article to the criteria listed above, and then either support or object the article's nomination.
 * 3) If you object, please supply concrete reasons for doing so, and how it can be improved. Please cite which rule your objection falls under! Failure to do so will result in your objection being considered invalid.
 * 4) As stated above, any objections will be looked upon by the nominator, supporters, and anyone willing to improve the article, and action will be taken to please the objectors.
 * 5) Once all objectors' complaints have been solved (or the article has 5 Inquisitor supports and no objections after at least a week), the article will be added to the queue and be officially known as a "featured article".

Also remember to add nominated at the top of the article you are nominating.

Every Sunday the next article in the queue will be highlighted on the Main Page as featured, marked with the featured template and removed from the list of nominations. The beginning of the article then appears on the Main Page via the featured article template. Nominees that are inactive for a month will be eliminated from the nominations list.

(6 Inqs/18 Users/24 total)
Support Oppose
 * 1) QuentinGeorge 11:17, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Kuralyov 13:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)  StarNeptune Talk to me! 16:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) JMAS 22:16, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 6)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 01:17, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Adamwankenobi 23:57, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Yeah.-Darthtyler
 * 9)  Jaina Solo ( Talk ) [[Image:Jainasolosig.gif |25px]] 14:22, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) great article AdmirableAckbar 14:37, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 11) -- Eyrezer 06:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 12) Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 18:10, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 13) Graestan 17:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 14) Green Tentacle (Talk) 21:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 15) Jorrel [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Fraajic 03:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 16) Why not? [[Image:The Death of Ki-Adi-Mundi.jpg|40px]]  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers! ) 18:55, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 17) SingAurraSing 23:03, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 18) Teemto 20:39, 29 July 2007
 * 19) Good Artical  Dark Lord Xander  ( Embrace The Dark Side! )[[Image:MandalorianSymbol.jpg|20px]] 06:42, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 20) Thefourdotelipsis 01:25, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 21)  Victor  ( talk ) 00:14, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 22) Cato Neimoidia 02:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 23) -Darth Homer 18:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) -Darth Homer 18:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Expand intro, section the Clone Wars...section, and I cock my eyebrow, sah, at the sectioning of the BtS. Thefourdotelipsis 11:33, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Intro and sectioning done. Can't see what's wrong the BtS. It looks crap as a bullet or one massive chunky paragraph. QuentinGeorge 11:44, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ditch the portrayal subsection. And expand...something. Note that he's the only EU -based character to be in Clone Wars. Previously established. You know what I mean. Thefourdotelipsis 12:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Aayla was in the Clone Wars as well. But done, anyway. QuentinGeorge 12:10, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Too cursory in its coverage. It could use a lot of fleshing out. Also, we know that there will be a flood of information on K'Kruhk between now and its actually being featured, so it might be best to hold off anyway. Havac 18:05, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Tell me where it needs to be expanded, and I'll expand it. The fact he is going to make more appearances isn't an objection as we featured Darth Bane shortly before the release of Path of Destruction. QuentinGeorge 21:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Havac, look at the queue. Even approving this today would mean, at earliest, it doesn't appear on the front page until April 2008. Plenty of time for his Legacy and Dark Times appearances to be fully integrated in before he shows up on the front page. QuentinGeorge 21:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm not objecting on those grounds. Just suggesting that holding off a bit could improve it. But anway, all the Republic stuff, bar Seleucamai, reads like a very breezy overview -- he went here and fought there and this person died, but there's no feel of what happened. Take, for example, the Vos/Viento thing. It says he was assigned to protect Viento, Vos assassinated Viento, he got hurt. It's lacking in substance. Mention the fact that Vos sneaked past him at night. Mention that he caught Quin just too late. Mention that they went over the balcony in the fight and K'Kruhk bounced off an airspeeder and was lucky to survive. As is, it covers everything, but not to the comprehensive level expected of a featured article. Also, looking again, it could use a powers and talents section -- his healing skill could be mentioned there. And I'm also objecting on grounds of image quality now -- putting the Clone Wars crap as his main pic over one of Jan's far more realistic and detailed drawings is a clear mistake. If you want a headshot, find a Jan headshot or crop a Jan full-body shot down. Havac 21:44, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I disagree that his animated depiction is "crap", but will replace with a comic headshot if that is what people want. I was mainly trying to put a bit of variety in, since I'd used all comic depictions in the biography. QuentinGeorge 21:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * As I side note, some of the detail requirements for these bios seem faintly ridiculous in that we have to chronicle every single step someone takes but, if those are the rules, then those are the rules and I will comply. QuentinGeorge 21:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The image from the cartoon doesn't do the article much good. It should be replaced with a shot from one of the comics (perhaps the Dark Times one?). &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Jack, I've already said I'm going to replace the image and your antics on the Muun page don't exactly inspire confidence in your ability to spot a good one. QuentinGeorge 22:11, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Additionally, I'd rather you didn't do a "cleanup" of the article when I'm trying to expand the damn thing. 22:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Why are you lashing out at me? I give my opinion on the main image and then try to clean up the article, and then you scold me as if I did something wrong. What's your problem? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:16, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

'''Objection overridden by Inquisitorius - Inq/K'Kruhk 05:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC) '''Objection overridden by Inquisitorius - Inq/K'Kruhk 05:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Karohalva I oppose this article on the grounds that using a Clone Wars Cartoon picture in the info-box is a crime against Star Wars. It sounds silly, yes, but it is true.
 * Please read what I have written above. I am going to replace it, as soon as I find a suitable headshot. QuentinGeorge 22:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oops. Sorry then. What say you just crop a full-body shot? That should be Wookieepedian-legal. Karohalva
 * I have to agree with Jack about the CW image for the infobox. I don't think it's crap, but I don't think it's the kind of image we want for an infobox unless there is no other option, such as with the Voolvif Monn and Foul Moudama articles. I went ahead and cropped the Siege of Saleucami image to just his headshot and put that up in the infobox. Does that meet everyone's approval? - JMAS 22:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Eh, I said it's "crap" because a) I don't like the CW animation style and b) it's far less detailed and realistic than the comics pictures. It certainly deserves to be in the article, but it's not nearly a good enough depiction to be his main shot when better alternatives exist. It would be like using this as the infobox shot for Jerec. Or basically, what JMAS just edit-conflicted with me to say. Havac 22:25, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think this new image is much better. And Quentin, don't lash out at me again. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, please. Don't be so melodramatic. 22:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I don't really mind what image is used, and I'm happy to go with that one. I'm at work now, so I'll do a "Talents and Powers" section when I get home. If anyone else has more they'd like added, please tell me. In terms of images, I think its probably ok how it is now. Less is more. QuentinGeorge 22:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Melodramatic? I'm not the one who lashed out at another user just because they suggested a new main image and tried to clean up an article. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:32, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * This page is not designed for user arguments. Cool it please. Atarumaster88  00:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Back on topic, I have (once again) cleaned up the article. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 00:42, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I've significantly changed the article, added more, added a abilities section, etc. Any more objections? 07:33, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Can people please strike objections that have been satisfied? Please? - QuentinGeorge 03:19, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * K'Kruhk remembered this and used the concept to help the Jedi evade pursuing Yinchorri starfighters. Can this be expanded? How did K'Kruhk do this?
 * found himself fighting for his life on Yibikkoror. Were they ambushed or what?
 * After their escape. How did they escape?
 * It was in this mission that his Master was killed, battling for her life on Yinchorr. More detail please. --Eyrezer 05:23, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Addressed. QuentinGeorge 05:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Can we get some more info on the mission to Teyr. Why were the losses so high? K'Kruhk's fault? outnumbered? Or is it only mentioned in passing?
 * Only mentioned in one comic frame, yet I've expanded it to the best of my ability. QuentinGeorge 10:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice extrapolation. --Eyrezer 23:45, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The last point I have, can the paragraph introducing the purge survival be made to flow more from the previous paragraph? --Eyrezer 03:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * How's that? QuentinGeorge 10:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Resolved --Eyrezer 06:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Nasty little [source?] tag in the powers and abilities section needs to go. Green Tentacle (Talk) 10:33, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Solid article, overall. Fix that unsourced statement in Powers section and I'd be glad to give my support. &mdash;Mir  len 

Comments Other than that, however, the article looks great. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 18:10, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Aware that it may be short. Would be willing to listen to expansion suggestions. QuentinGeorge 11:17, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Here are a couple suggestions that might be good. But overall, great article.
 * More on Giiett's "trick," and what caused K'Kruhk to remember it. - Taken care of
 * Name the other Jedi who finished K'Kruhk's training, if possible. If he or she's identity is never revealed, than ignore this. He's never named, we only know him because of the specific comment "my first master, implying a second one. QuentinGeorge 09:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Mention that Tholme did not, in fact die. It makes no sense for Aalya Secura to remember him as one of those who died, and then for him to assist the Republic's victory. - Taken care of
 * One unsourced statement in Powers and Traits. - Taken care of. QuentinGeorge 09:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Right, gimme a bit to address those. Might take a while, since I've been a bit lazy with RL lately. QuentinGeorge 05:30, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've taken care of all of that except for the dang whiphid hibernation thing. Now, can anyone find me Randy Stradley's original post? I can find many referencing it, but not the original. QuentinGeorge 21:04, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sourced that last thing about the hibernation trance Anything else, people? QuentinGeorge 21:18, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hobbes is on holiday, so I struck the objections I've covered. QuentinGeorge 09:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Mostly Havac's request for expansion in some areas, Quentin. That's the only outstanding objection. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:55, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Remove nom (Inq only)
 * 1) I don't see this going anywhere and significant work needs done, per Havac.  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 01:16, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2)  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 01:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

(3 Inqs/2 Users/5 total)
Support
 * 1) Bringbacknom!   20:08 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Thefourdotelipsis 01:52, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) It's come a long way.  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Nice job on the objections.  Greyman ( Paratus ) 22:47, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5)  Chack Jadson  Talk  15:35, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Oppose Other than that, the article is pretty good, especially on the P&T. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 04:42, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Could use some expansion, and there are way too many quotes. Better sectioning is also needed. Darthchristian  ( Hey! ) 13:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The number of quotes is simply insane. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 19:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC) Seems to be addressed.  Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 22:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Per Darthchristian. Chack Jadson 19:52, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It also needs and Personality and Traits section. Darthchristian   ( Hey! ) 16:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Done!-- Harrar 01:13, 17 August 2007 (GMT)
 * From the desk of Ataru
 * Intro: Favour-->favor
 * Intro, Para 1, Line 3, reword sentence about "for the failure of . . . "- doesn't read well
 * Intro, comma after However
 * Intro, Para 2: Faith in what?
 * Intro: Remove speculation about Qorealists
 * Intro: Add a comma after Thus or remove it.
 * Sectioning looks bad. Why is there a single subsection under each section?
 * 1.1: Reword: "It appears that Harrar . . ."- sounds OOU.
 * 1.1: Fix comma errors surrounding "However"
 * 1.2: Given command, not commands
 * 1.2: Reword "And it was there" to "where". Conciseness should be prized.
 * 1.2.1, comma after Falcon
 * 1.2.1, remove comma after dismally
 * 1.3, worshiped should be worshipped
 * 1.3, Para 2, Line 3, add comma after and
 * 1.3.1: Reword to "enough time to recover from the loss of Coruscant" or "enough time to recuperate" or similar
 * 1.3.1, Para 1, line 4, Remove comma after "and"
 * 1.3.1: Jumps from Borleias to Coruscant without explanation. Expand.
 * 1.4: Revealed is mispelled.
 * 1.4: Weasel words on Qorealist part
 * 1.4: comma after "At first"
 * 1.4, Para 1, add comma after However
 * 1.4, Para 3, remove commma after and
 * 1.4: Remove first "her" in "asked her of her discoveries"
 * 1.5: remove "had in fact"; doesn't read well
 * 1.5: reword to say "Harrar stated that learning of the possible connection between the ancient Yuuzhan Vong homeworld and Zonoma Sekot had shattered . . . "
 * 1.5: reword first sentence of 2nd Paragraph
 * 1.5, 2nd Para, add comma after There
 * 1.5.1: learnt-->learned
 * 1.5.1: decapitalize liberation
 * 1.5.1: "for they were the only way to save his people" is POV
 * Too many quotes
 * No P&T
 * I'm a bit rusty on NJO, but I'm sure he had a bigger role than this. Needs expansion.
 * Traitor is not listed under appearances.
 * No info from Enemy Lines I.
 * P&T not sourced yet.
 * Have a nice day.&mdash; Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 20:49, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * A few things:
 * Infobox image lacks a proper source and description; it also needs to be cropped.
 * Cropped,sourced, described-- Harrar 01:13, 17 August 2007 (GMT)
 * Infobox is poorly formatted: the "|" signs should be in front of the variables, not behind them. ("|name=Harrar", not "name=Harrar|")
 * Done!-- Harrar 01:13, 17 August 2007 (GMT)
 * 1.1: "Years" in "Early Years" should be decapitalized per WP:MOS.
 * Done-- Harrar 01:13, 17 August 2007 (GMT)
 * 1.3: Odd sentence: "The invasion still continued to proceed well"
 * Changed -- Harrar 01:13, 17 August 2007 (GMT)
 * I wish I had a catchphrase to put here. --Imperialles 14:54, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Minorly reword 2nd sentence in intro.
 * All done. Cheers for the help-- Harrar 18:18, 22 August 2007 (GMT)
 * A few suggestions for improvement
 * More detail in intro about Harrar was "instrumental in ending the conflict."
 * Vary starts to sentences in The Elan debacle. "He... He... Harrar... Harrar..." Mix them up a little.
 * Clarify that Khalee Lah did, in fact, die.
 * In "together, they would capture the elusive Jedi," (Resurgence, paragraph 3), "would" should be changed to "planned to," since they did not capture Solo.
 * Way too many "He's" at the beginning of sentences (four in a row) in the 3rd paragraph of Zonama Sekot.
 * In a skirmish with Anor in which he very much had the traitorous Intendant on the back foot? What does this mean?
 * Taken into account and changed. Thanks Hobbes, and took out the "back foot" bit - its an English expression for when you're beating someone in a fight.-- Harrar 18:18, 22 August 2007 (GMT)
 * Source it properly. Green Tentacle (Talk) 12:52, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * 1) He's not in Enemy Lines I - that appears to have been an erroneous appearance. That's everything about Harrar there as far as I know. P&T sourced, no redlinks, referencing. If anyone could help with pictures that'd be nice. Harrar  16:21, 14 August 2007 (GMT)
 * Ok, thanks for working on it. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) *Really sorry about striking people's objections, I mistakenly assumed that's what you did after you had acted upon the suggestions...now I know. Harrar 15:49, 15 August 2007 (GMT)

Remove Nom (Inq only)
 * 1)   Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 19:04, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2)  Doesn't look like it's going anywhere. Green Tentacle (Talk) 13:38, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)   Greyman ( Paratus ) 19:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4)  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 01:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

(5 Inqs/6 Users/11 Total)
Support Object
 * 1) Nominated. This article was stripped of its FA status a while ago. Chack Jadson 21:00, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2)  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 13:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 16:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Green Tentacle (Talk) 17:48, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 5)  Jaina Solo ( Talk ) [[Image:Jainasolosig.gif |25px]] 18:10, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Great article. [[Image:The Death of Ki-Adi-Mundi.jpg|40px]]  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers! ) 18:57, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Love it Dark Lord Xander 06:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Very well written.  Victor  ( talk ) 01:52, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) Thefourdotelipsis 23:55, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) It's one of the better articles i've seen on Wookieepedia. Destroyer Droid 20:06, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 11) Impressive. Good work. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 05:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) I really hate to have to do this but since I read it a few days ago there's an edit war brewing over whether Revan's holocron should be listed as one of Bane's masters (it clearly shouldn't) and over his eye colour. There's also now a [source?] tag in the behind the scenes section and somebody's messed up one of the references so that it no longer has a name listed. Until those issues are resolved I have to object. Green Tentacle (Talk) 15:32, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) *Actually, forget the reference bit, Greyman's fixed it. Green Tentacle (Talk) 15:33, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Per GT. This is a really annoying thing to have going on, but until the edit conflict is resolved, I unfortunately have to withdraw my support as well.  Greyman ( Paratus ) 15:36, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) I can't support this while muppets keep adding Revan in the "master" field and "yellow" in eye colour. QuentinGeorge 21:14, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) You might need to clarify the bit about Lucas creating the character a bit more since it would appear that not everybody's happy with it. Green Tentacle (Talk) 09:12, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) *Found a source. Green Tentacle (Talk) 12:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think more from the duel with Kas'im should be included, including his trick with 2 lightsabers that he'd concealed from Bane.
 * The bit about Rain finding her own way off Ruusan, is that actually in JvS as referenced?
 * It's from the Dark Forces Saga and New Essential Chronology - it, however, is referenced incorrectly in the article. QuentinGeorge 22:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Some of the P&T doesn't seem very well strung together. There is also some overlap that should be avoided.
 * "Bane was independent, defying Qordis, and heading to Lehon instead of joining Kaan's army. After Lehon, Bane became confident in his supremely talented self. He manipulated others for his own purposes, not telling Githany or Kas'im about the private lessons he was taking with them" - the order of this needs to be reversed. It is as though going to Lehon led to the manipulation but the timing was the other way around.
 * The BTS on his origins should be expanded, making more mention of his specific appearances and how that developed.
 * Also the article makes no mention of the conflicts between JvS and POD. Surely this needs to go in the BTS at least. --Eyrezer 01:15, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, add in a in-depth continuity section, as there is many continuity differences between Bane's first mention in TPM novel, his appearances in Bane of the Sith and JvS, and then in PoD. He's a walking continuity nightmare, and Karpyshyn's disdain for canon hasn't helped. As it stands, it seems to heap all the blame on BotS and give the impression the others are saintly and without taint. QuentinGeorge 22:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Some of the references are wrong, (notably the elements from NEC are incorrectly labelled as Bane of the Sith) and there is a persistent troll intent on proving to all us misguided folks that Bane of the Sith is "noncanon". (It isn't, and said troll has been told as much many times before). QuentinGeorge 22:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Right, now said troll's essay has been added to the article. It needs to be removed, or at the very least, heavily trimmed. At the moment it is a painfully fanboyish harangue against KJA and Bane of the Sith in particular. I have no qualms on an actual "continuity curiousities" section, but it needs to be a) sourced b) free of POV and agenda pushing and C) Map ALL the continuity of Bane and the Ruusan-era Sith, starting from Bane's Lucas conception, through his depiction in the TPM novel, THEN the concurrent release of JvS and BotS, then the depiction of Kaan et al in the Dark Forces flashback, THEN the depiction in PoD. As it currently stands, the section reads like some sort of diatribe on why BotS is horrible and non-canon and KJA a hack because of "contradictions" with later source material. I am not in any sense of form a big fan of KJA, but this sort of agenda-pushing leaves me cold. QuentinGeorge 06:35, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed.  Chack Jadson  Talk 14:29, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * Nice job on clearing up the points I left for you, Chack. Greyman ( Paratus ) 16:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sourced the in Bts. Chack Jadson 11:09, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey everyone, this conflict has been fixed. Chack Jadson 11:48, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm abstaining my vote because I haven't finished Path of Destruction yet and I don't want to be spoiled.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 19:55, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The only reason I am not in 100% favor of making this a featured article, is because we haven't made an exact time-line with all the contradictions with the various sources, I still believe it deserves a spot as a featured article, though. Destroyer Droid 20:06, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Are there any objections that are not addressed? Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 16:50, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

(5 Inqs/3 Users/8 Total)
Support Object
 * 1) As nominater. This was previously featured some time ago. Chack Jadson 20:10, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2)  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 20:10, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 22:36, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Unit 8311 16:04, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Thefourdotelipsis 04:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Green Tentacle (Talk) 13:36, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 7)  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:27, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 03:40, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Better source for this, please. Green Tentacle (Talk) 13:03, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * While we're at it the 12th reference doesn't have a name and, if it's from ICS, shouldn't that be under sources too? Green Tentacle (Talk) 13:07, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * From the desk of Atarumaster88
 * Needs more images, particularly at the bottom
 * Current images don't follow standard left-right-left-right layout
 * Perhaps it's a conflicting timeline thing, but how can Anakin and Obi-Wan be both on Nelvaan and Tythe at the same time? The two paragraphs that discuss the detail don't make it clear what's going on.
 * BTS still looks kind of thin as far as conflicting elements- the Nelvaan/Tythe thing needs to go there if it's another error, etc. I noticed a SW.com thread on the issue, so maybe that could be consulted.
 * Still did not see information from ROTS game (Invisible Hand) that was listed on Inq page.
 * Appearance list and reference list don't match up- what is Evil Eye/Evil Eyes and why is it listed incorrectly on the reference list if they are the same work?
 * As much as I hate to say this, is it policy to reference the infobox? Because that would need to be done if so.
 * No information from two non-canon sources is included.
 * Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating Day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 20:59, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Your objections have been fixed.  Chack Jadson  Talk 00:27, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * IMO, the infobox isn't completely sourced and nothing specific has been laid out in the BTS yet. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 13:41, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Finally fixed it all (I hope). :)  Chack Jadson  Talk 13:13, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The reason no info from the non-canon sources is included is that they don't really differ from the movie, to the best of my knowledge. You fly around, destroy ships, and kill Dooku. Nothing that's not already covered.  Chack Jadson  Talk 22:15, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I would personally prefer a bit of BTS on that, but that's me. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:05, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Remove bullets from BTS and I still say that if it's mentioned in ICS, that should be on the sources list. Green Tentacle (Talk) 09:25, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed.  Chack Jadson  Talk 15:33, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Unsourced BTS. Thefourdotelipsis 00:10, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * What specifically needs to be sourced? I mean, how exactly can it sourced, seeing as how it says "in the novel", "in the cartoon", etc.  Chack Jadson  Talk 00:27, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Bah. You crazy young people and your different ways. Thefourdotelipsis 04:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Read about half of it:
 * Republic actions, paragraph 6 - needs a source.
 * Republic actions, last paragraph - needs a source.
 * The capture of Supreme Chancellor Palpatine, paragraph six - if the two refs are from the same source only one is needed.
 * Shouldn't there be some mention of Windu almost catching Grievous as his shuttle took off? Green Tentacle (Talk) 15:42, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Just a couple more things:
 * Continuing battle, paragraph 2 - "They then received word that a Republic was being attacked by a Separatist cruiser" seems to have a word missing.
 * Continuing battle, paragraph 4 - Is the communications error mentioned in the film or the book? If it's in the film, just ignore this, otherwise you might need to change the source.
 * Could we get the last few bits of the infobox sourced? Green Tentacle (Talk) 10:26, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed.  Chack Jadson  Talk 13:13, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Now it's all fixed. I misunderstood you, as odd as that may sound.  Chack Jadson  Talk 13:07, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

That's basically it for me. Very good article, though. Good work. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 04:13, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Article name doesn't seem to be supported by official sources, see comment section below. --Craven 16:15, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Just a few little minor suggestions.
 * An overall rewrite of the third paragraph in Republic Actions. The sentence structure is ugly.
 * Mention the fact that the 501st were attempting to clear a path for the Jedi (Kenobi and Skywalker) to rescue the Chancellor (Or at least I think that's what it says in BFII).
 * Reword sentence 1 of the fourth paragraph of A failed Rescue.
 * "The clones took heavy casualties and Anakin found himself wanting to go back and help them, but Obi-Wan would not let him, as they had to stick to the mission." Reword this (Located in Skywalker and Kenobi's intervention).
 * In the second sentence of the third paragraph of Continuing Battle, try changing "summoned" to ordered.

Comments


 * What source calls this battle the second Battle of Coruscant? The official site just calls it Battle of Coruscant,  the NEC doesn't have any in-universe name for this event, Google only finds Wookieepedia and fansites. --Craven 01:16, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I think it's based on the fact that there was a Battle of Coruscant before this one. As for IU name, I'm not sure if it's ever called the Second Battle.  Chack Jadson  Talk 04:54, 29 July 2007 (UTC)


 * If that name is not used in any official source, then the article should either have a  template, or it should be moved to another name like Battle of Coruscant (19 BBY). --Craven 16:15, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Adding a conjecture tag might be a good idea. Thoughts?  Chack Jadson  Talk 20:11, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I suggested using that tag, but now I have doubts if it's a good idea. Even if we put this tag into the article, all other articles will still use "Second battle of" when describing things related to the battle and linking to it. I guess it would be the same problem like all those systems and stars with conjectural names (the articles have the conjecture tag, but they are still linked in the articles about planets, sectors ect. without any information that it's not an official name). --Craven 22:11, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think it should be left as is. Nothing really we can do. Well, if you don't think it's necessary, could you please scratch your objection?  Chack Jadson  Talk 14:16, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No, what I meant was that the conjecture tag seems not to be the best solution. The name would be used in other articles nonetheless and people will start believing that this name is canon. But to leave it as it is would be wrong too, IMO. If there's no official source that calls it "Second Battle of Coruscant", move the article to its canon name. And after reading Talk:First Battle of Coruscant (Clone Wars), it doesn't seem like that event was ever called the "First Battle of Coruscant" either. --Craven 14:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * See, that's a tricky thing. As the most complete Star Wars database, we include a lot of information that other sites or official reference books don't have. A lot of people, even those licensed by Lucasfilm, don't know about the first. However, the New Essential Chronology expands the first battle, making it more like a battle. I mean, common sense has got to supersede canon once in a while. But here's something: move the first battle to like raid or skirmish on Coruscat, and move this to just Battle of Coruscant (Clone Wars). Although I'm not fond of that idea.  Chack Jadson  Talk 14:55, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I think Battle of Coruscant (19 BBY) seems to fit well enough. I personally don't see a problem with the original name, but if there's a problem, this certainly makes sense, even if it's not actually IU. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 01:00, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Meh. There's nothing wrong with the current name. Green Tentacle (Talk) 19:13, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Except that it's unofficial (fanon)? ;) --Craven 14:13, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Could we move the first to "Raid", remove the "Second" here and get a bot to change the links? I would prefer to leave it how it is though, because it really doesn't seem necessary, like Gt said. Either way, I would like to get this fixed soon, as this article is very close to FA status.  Chack Jadson  Talk 22:36, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the delay, I had some trouble with my internet connection. I didn't want to interrupt the whole nomination process.
 * I read the sources that mention the New Droid Army event (except the Fact Files, don't know which issue talks about it) and neither the game, NEC nor the official site refer to it with an in-universe name (like "Battle of.."). But The Dark Forces Saga, Part 1 calls it the "Coruscant Insurrection" - with capital letters, so I guess that's kind of an official name. So I suggest moving the NDA event to Coruscant Insurrection and this article to Battle of Coruscant (Clone Wars) or Battle of Coruscant (19 BBY) --Craven 14:13, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Good idea. If no one obejcts within a day, I'll move it.  Chack Jadson  Talk 15:42, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

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Support
 * 1) I've worked long on this article, and I think it is worthy. Any comments/criticism would be helpful.&mdash; Darthtyler Talk 01:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Thefourdotelipsis 00:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)  Chack Jadson  Talk  23:31, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4)  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 15:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) -- [[Image:AckbarSig.jpg|40px]] dmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 15:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Ozzel 04:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Object
 * '''From the desk of Atarumaster88
 * Remove speculation on origin/parents' history
 * Not enough explanation of sunnydew nectar. Doesn't make much sense.
 * Wicket and Teebo incident section doesn't make much sense. There's irrelevant information that could be condensed, but it doesn't explain why they need to bother Gantu.
 * Wicket and Teebo's escape section doesn't make much sense either. It's written more like part of Teebo's bio, not Gantu's. The action is centered around the deeds of the Ewoks, not the subject (Gantu). Still don't get the whole sunnydew/Zandor Rocker thing.
 * P&T is rather short.
 * Is "Sunnydew nectar" a) supposed to be capitalized b) need to be linked three or four times?
 * Always hard to tell with comics, by my feeling is: no. I fixed the case, and it seems the links have already been fixed. -- Ozzel
 * Remove referencing from intro, per Sourcing.
 * Intro just doesn't read well, particularly the second paragraph.
 * Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:37, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, are you being sarcastic? (that last line about the super happy un frustrating part.)&mdash; Darthtyler Talk 16:39, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Not that it matters, but no, I'm not being sarcastic. I don't want people to think it's personal and that I'm picking on them- I do this to everyone. The exact phrasing was inspired by Darth Culator. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well that makes sense too, I guess.&mdash; Darthtyler Talk 16:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Remove bullets from behind the scenes, the Lilo and Stitch bit has nothing to do with anything, fix the source on Image:Coruscanti ogre vs Divto.jpg, referencing should be per paragraph or maybe removed entirely since it's single source, which also means you don't need the first appearance bit. Green Tentacle (Talk) 17:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Done.&mdash; Darthtyler Talk 17:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * I'd like to see the intro be fleshed out. I don't think it's long enough for the Main Page yet. -- Ozzel 08:07, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I tweaked it a little bit, but I agree. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 13:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

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Support
 * 1) Previously featured.  Chack Jadson  Talk 14:36, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:The Death of Ki-Adi-Mundi.jpg|40px]]  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers! ) 00:45, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 15:45, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Conflicting sources should be sorted out. [[Image:The Death of Ki-Adi-Mundi.jpg|40px]]  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers! ) 19:58, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The article says "Fighting broke out all over Pau City between droid and clone forces, destroying large parts of the sinkhole," and cites Revenge of the Sith. But I didn't see the sinkhole itself sustaining any damage when I saw the film . -LtNOWIS 01:56, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, I don't think there should be quite so many inter-section quotes, especially in "Endgame." -LtNOWIS 01:56, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed.  Chack Jadson  Talk 23:01, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * From the desk of Atarumaster88
 * Needs a reference at the end of "In the service of San Hill"
 * Needs a reference at the end of "The beginning of the war"
 * A bit more information from Labyrinth of Evil is needed.
 * IIRC, LOE has details on Belderone, etc, particularly when he rescues Gunray. I'd like to see that expounded upon. Some guy 15:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah. Sorry, some guy. ;)  Chack Jadson  Talk 22:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Some sticky wording in the death section, particularly in "However, during the fight, Kenobi had pulled one of Grievous's chest plates off, Grievous's armor having been previously damaged by Windu, revealing the synth-skin gutsack holding Grievous's remaining organs"<s?
 * P&T has no mention of his "softer" (okay, maybe just less bloodthirsty) side with Kunmar.
 * First lines of talents needs ref'd.
 * (Talents) "Formal forms"? Reword please.
 * Have a Super Terrific Friendly Unfrustrating day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed.  Chack Jadson  Talk 20:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see a solid source for the Gary Oldman thing. Also, you might want to mention George's plans for effing with Grivie's history in the upcoming cartoon. -- Ozzel 03:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sourced the first. For the second, where did you find that?  Chack Jadson  Talk 21:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * Well written overall and a pleasure to read. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

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Support
 * 1) Nominated.--Goodwood 11:19, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Although i would prefer *see comment* it's still a brilliant article. Tutos Lumenarious 21:58, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Good work. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 01:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Thefourdotelipsis 08:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) I'd decided to stay as far away from this FA-business as possible, but in recognition of the effort put into this great article, I'm going to cast a supporting vote. KEJ 11:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) *I think you're in the wrong section then. :P -- [[Image:AckbarSig.jpg|40px]] dmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 11:10, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) **Oh, you're right. Thanks for telling me. KEJ 11:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) ***No problem. -- [[Image:AckbarSig.jpg|40px]] dmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 22:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 21:44, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) -- [[Image:AckbarSig.jpg|40px]] dmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 22:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 11)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 02:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 12) A really creative topic for an article. Nice to see it given such through attention. Nice work!  --Eyrezer 03:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 13) Per Eyrez. I wanna see more articles like this, covering vast concepts thoroughly and, yes, even interestingly.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 22:16, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 14) Per Gonk. jSarek 00:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * The complete lack of film screenshots raises my eyebrow. Thefourdotelipsis 09:30, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've substituted a few of the more pathetic current images with film screenshots already on-site. Hope that makes the difference though I can always scrounge more...--Goodwood 12:21, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Skywalker Loop is linked in the article, but the source it's from doesn't have any other coverage. The book is called Starfighter Battle Book - X-Wing vs. TIE Interceptor; it's all about dogfighting. I hate to say it, but you might have a lot more material to cover. (If you need help finding the book, ask on IRC.) Also, the Ssi-ruuk used entechment to power their starfighters, which was pretty unique. That might warrant coverage. -LtNOWIS 01:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've been through that battle book frontwards and backwards, LtNOWIS, and that's just about the only useful thing I got out of it. Basically the book is a "choose your story" except the "story choices" are "maneuvers" and you turn to the appropriate page to figure out the results. I have, however, added a notation about the Ssi-ruuk and entechment (included in a section in Technology about droid starfighters--not enough room in the History section)--Goodwood 02:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -LtNOWIS 16:37, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice article, very thorough. Two points: Firstly, when describing the Ssi-ruuk and entechment, you use "essentially sucked the soul out of a living being and implanted it". That is not very encyclopedic. I think "soul" should be removed and the sentence reworded. Secondly, in the history section, mention should be made of a starfighter destroying the first Death Star. Surely, this is one of the most significant actions undertaken by starfighters! --Eyrezer 05:08, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Addressed. Note: Insofar as the notation about entechment goes, you're correct however I've modified the sentence to reflect the narrative -- if I recall correctly both Ssi-ruu and others referred to the process thusly (or, at least how I amended it to be), including Dev Sibwarra and Luke Skywalker. I could perhaps add Dev's quote on the process from The New Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology -- which, incidentally, I now have.--Goodwood 20:10, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * From someone who isn't here
 * Haven't read the whole thing thoroughly, but it seems to skimp on a number of NJO and post NJO details, such as stutter-fire and shield trios. Actually, the whole tactic of close formations to increase shield strength (mentioned in VotF also) could use some mention. some guy who isn't here. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 19:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The shield trios has been addressed. Greyman ( Paratus ) 22:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've read The Krytos Trap many times and never does it make doctrinal statements that are in the characteristics section AFAIK. Source or remove it.
 * Does it actually state that the dogfight is the main type of starfighter engagement? Source or remove
 * Where does it say NR fighters are more effective than the Empire's overall? This would seem to contradict that.
 * Ridiculously large amount of Original Research in the training section. You cannot assume that everyone trains the same as the Alliance does. The Making of Baron Fel has some info on Imperial training methods.
 * Source the part about dying within 5 missions. (3.4)
 * Information on Chiss droid starfighters needs added (ref Force Heretic II)
 * Actually, Ssi-ruuk droids are smaller than Rebel starfighters if you check TAB. Please correct and adjust paragraph.
 * 6.1 What does "The battle was pitched" mean?
 * Lots of fluff in the history sections- irrelevant information that could be culled and trimmed.
 * Excessive/redundant internal linking. Needs HTML cleanup.
 * Pictures aren't relevant. Battle at Kuat has nothing to do with Thrawn campaign.
 * IIRC, StealthXs have slightly less firepower than XJs.
 * No mention of CCIR Needles at all. For shame- those things could have revolutionized starfighter combat.
 * Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating Day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Comments I've worked my fingers to the bone to get this article where it is now, but I'm not complaining because this has been a labor of love. All reasonable objections/suggestions will be taken into due consideration and acted upon.--Goodwood 11:19, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Not complaining or anything but i think it's a little long, could it not be devided into different sections of something like that?Tutos Lumenarious 22:01, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Breaking the article up into different articles would defeat the purpose of the article. Hence why I've included a veritable cornucopia of links to more in-depth articles on various covered subjects.--Goodwood 20:20, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This isn't enough of an objection to actually object, but couldn't we get a more appropriate infobox? With the recent work done on space warfare, I think there's justification for a category and infobox for "forms of combat" or something similar. Other than that, nice work. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 04:40, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

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Support
 * 1) Nominated.  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 02:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) --Goodwood 03:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Thefourdotelipsis 09:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4)  Chack Jadson  Talk  12:16, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 18:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Looks like Ataru gets to add another userbox to his row of FAs. [[Image:The Death of Ki-Adi-Mundi.jpg|40px]]  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers! ) 20:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) With a flicker of pseudomotion... Supported! -- Ozzel 02:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) ♫ That Biiiig Reeeeed freshness lasts right throooough it! / Your fresh breath goes OOONN AND OOOOONNNN&hellip; / WHIIIIILE YOU CHEW IT ♫  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 14:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) I'd like to see a BTS section that is worthy of following that Biography. How did McRandle get the job? What were Tim Zahn's motivations in creating the character? Where did the name come from? What about when Zahn told KJA that he had no intention of her marrying Luke? And then there's the fan reactions: why is Mara so liked/disliked? How did fans react to her recent major development? And what about Mara merchandise? Etc. (Hint, hint, hint...) -- Ozzel 05:09, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) *In a word: Bah! I will address the majority of your objection, but there's no way I will add a fan reaction section or merchandise section. I've been fighting for months to have those removed. They're terrible and begging for POV in the case of fandom and totally irrelevant in the case of merchandise. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 13:04, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) **Agreed. Bah! -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 13:17, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) *First point (how she got the job) addressed. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 00:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) **I hate how the following paragraphs would be separated, so I'm gonna get it out of the way now. :-P

My point with the merchandise thing: we've had the merchandise discussion many times and decided to save it for a separate wiki, but the common caveat was for notable EU exceptions. Who was one of the first (and still very few) EU characters to get an action figure? How many EU characters have had a Gentle Giant bust made of them? And how many EU lightsaber replicas have there been? That's gotta be notable.

As for the fan reaction, I'm not asking for wild fanwankery; I mean more along the line of Mara's cultural impact. As it already says, she was polled in 1997 as the top favorite EU character. But eh, whatever.

Now, I definitely think it needs more about Zahn's thoughts on the character; there's some of that in Zahn interviews in those latter sources I mention. (IIRC, there is a least a little bit in the interview in SWAJ 1, there definitely some in that Insider article, and I'm sure there is in other Zahn interviews.) I will try to look into this myself once I'm back with my sources in a few days.

And I am truly sorry you had to endure those Force-Cast goofballs. But it was a necessary evil. ;-) -- Ozzel 03:41, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I added a small merchandise section regarding the Hasbro figure and Gentle Giant bust, but I am loathe to expand it further.
 * NO fan reaction section. At all. "Cultural impact" FTL
 * I added a lot of information from Zahn's interview in Insider 47.
 * I added information regarding the origin of Mara's name. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:04, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Have to agree to disagree on acknowledging popular opinion, but I won't pursue it here. I still think the replica lightsaber thing might be worth mentioning with the other stuff, especially considering how fast that thing sold out. And I think the "girly girl" quote, aside from needing the proper template, needs context to clarify that it refers to her, er... feminine physique rather than her enjoying shoe shopping, if you know what I mean. Otherwise, it all looks good. Nice improvement from before. -- Ozzel 05:42, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * A few things:
 * Intro: Is it really necessary to point out that she was a female Human? The information is already covered in the infobox. How about "Mara Jade Skywalker was, during different times in her life, an Emperor's Hand, a smuggler&hellip;"?
 * Intro: "Regarded as beautiful, intelligent, and deadly with a sharp tongue and quick wit" Sorry, but this seems sort of fanwanky.
 * 1.2: Odd sectioning. "All the while, she was still haunted by the Emperor's last command: "You will kill Luke Skywalker."" and "Sometime during this time, she lost the violet-colored lightsaber she had been given by Palpatine." should be integrated into the other two paragraphs, or expanded enough to warrant separate paragraphs.
 * 1.3: The ambiguous canon section should be covered in a ref. Perhaps it would be a good idea to split "Notes and references" into two sections? See this Wikipedia article.
 * Minor issues, really. --Imperialles 15:07, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * All but the last point addressed. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * From the Gonk of Gonk:
 * Last sentence of intro seems out-of-place. Can it be stuck in earlier, more chronologically?
 * Fixed.
 * "Upon his arrest, Mara also took the job of finding who delivered the paintings, and the people who aided him." – Who is "him"? The moff?
 * Fixed.
 * "Upon arriving at the palace, Ghent learned that it wasn't a Rebel computer" – What does "it" refer to?
 * Fixed.
 * Little did she know that Ghent was hired by Talon Karrde, her future employer, shortly after she and Ghent parted ways." – Is that last phrase supposed to refer to Mara's employment with Karrde, or Ghent's? If it's the latter (which I suspect), the sentence should be reorganized to make that clearer.
 * Fixed.
 * "They met up with the rest of the family on Coruscant, with Mara telling Luke about the rash actions of Wurth Skidder in destabilizing the situation over Rhommamool after he met with the New Republic Advisory Council." – Who met? Wurth or Luke?
 * Fixed.
 * "Following the battle, Mara became convalescent as she battled the disease inside her." – I don't know my medical phrasing that well, but this sounds off to me.
 * Fixed.
 * The first paragraph of "A gathering darkness" has almost nothing to do with Mara.
 * Fixed.
 * More to come later. Have a Super Terrific Gonktastically Awesome Day.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 17:02, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe I've dealt with your objections Gonk :) Greyman ( Paratus ) 21:35, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * To my own surprise, I have no further objections!  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 14:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Just a few things so far:
 * The search for Black Nebula, paragraph 4: Does "Intelligence tactics" really need capitalising?
 * On the run, paragraph 2: "she spotted the Rebel general Crix Madine. Mara followed them"&mdash;last I checked, Crix Madine wasn't plural.
 * Smuggler, paragraph 3: What lightsaber? Didn't she already lose it in the last section?
 * Meeting Skywalker, paragraph 2: Need to mention who Thrawn is and why Karrde needed to hide Luke from him.
 * I think the Emperor's last vision to her could be a little clearer. It gets round to mentioning it all eventually, but a few paragraphs after the subject first comes up. Green Tentacle (Talk) 13:45, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Needs severe cleanup of excessive links. --Imperialles 16:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * Thanks to the major effort put forth by members of WP:NEGTC, we feel Mara is FA quality. Thanks to Greyman, Solus, McEwok, Imperialles, Finlayson, Jaina Solo and anyone else I forgot. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 02:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Dunno if it still matters, but there is indeed Bts info on Mara in SWAJ1, specifically on pages 50-51. jSarek 07:23, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I added the information. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 13:49, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

(6 Inq/1 Users/7 Total)
Support
 * 1) State of Grace. Thefourdotelipsis 10:53, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) --Eyrezer 03:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Well played. --Imperialles 12:01, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Damn Commie nebulae. - Lord Hydronium 07:59, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5)  Chack Jadson  Talk  22:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Green Tentacle (Talk) 09:55, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 7)  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:06, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * Let me channel Ataru a bit. :P
 * The information in the line in this image doesn't actually seem to be anywhere in the article.
 * Awkward sentence: "...some form of cosmic cataclysm caused the separation of the Red Nebula from the rest of the galaxy, causing it reside in an extra-galactic region."
 * That bit with Han bringing the jewels needs a little clarification. Did Han swap fake jewels? I'd assume so, but the article isn't clear. And I'm not sure why the ship went into the sun. (Note: I see this is explained at the very end; I'd mention it here too for clarification.)
 * "Seeing an opportunity to avenge her brother's death, she planned to somehow deliver one of the crystals to Luke Skywalker, thereby killing him with the potential deadly plague." This needs more context, like why she was avenging Orman, and more importantly, what this plague is. Similarly: "unleashed the second Jewel, rendering most of the Mining Explorer contaminated"; unleashed how?
 * "...ships capable of traversing out of their pocket of existence" Does that mean the Nebula? If so, I'd simplify this.
 * Planet/Inhabitants/Sun shouldn't be capitalized unless they're actually the proper name of the world/people/star. 4dot has now been sufficiently tormented. - Lord Hydronium 00:20, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * From the desk of channeled Atarumaster88
 * (Intro) The second sentence of intro is a bit confusing.
 * Redundant info in Description and Early history (first sentences are virtually the same)
 * De-capitalize improper usage of "Jewel". "Great Life Jewel" is a proper noun, "jewel" is not.
 * How did the Empire get intelligence from Tagge if she was trapped on the Mining Explorer? Clarify please.
 * Some redundant info in inhabitants/locations sections could be culled. I don't see the reasoning behind it- it's well over 1000 words just by looking at it.
 * Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating Day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 03:13, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * I'd like to see some more quotes added to this article, even if you don't really like quotes. --Eyrezer 03:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

(2 Inq/5 Users/7 Total)
Support Oppose
 * 1) My... first... (finished) FA attempt. -- Ozzel 03:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Almost too far outside the box...but the Inqs won't complain. [[Image:The Death of Ki-Adi-Mundi.jpg|40px]]  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers! ) 18:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) *Huh? You know in advance what every inq is going to say? That is extraordinary. AdmirableAckbar 23:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Nice. Joker1138 ( Mandalore ) [[Image:MandalorianSymbol.jpg|25px]] 02:03, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Superlative. We need to see more of this stuff. Thefourdotelipsis 06:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6)  Chack Jadson  Talk  22:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Adamwankenobi 05:25, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Lord Hydronium 06:49, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * Definitely open for suggestions here. Considering we don't have many other real world FAs to compare it to, I tried to use some album FAs at Wikipedia as models. -- Ozzel 03:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Great to see this here. A truly one-of-a-kind article :) ...Just a couple of requests. One, can it include a brief MP3 or OGG clip from one of the songs? "Xizor's Theme" would seem to be the best choice. (I'd be happy to rip and edit just such a clip, though I can only encode MP3s.) Two, the Misconceptions section could use clarification/expansion; it doesn't clearly indicate, in some cases, whether these "rumors" are true or not. The last two bullets in particular puzzle me; if neither is true, we need to cite how we know that, and if they may be true/maybe not, the header for that section shouldn't be Misconceptions.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 20:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) I'd like to include sound clips too; in fact, I already prepared some a while back. However, I very much dislike the template we currently use for sounds. If we could maybe bring in the one from Wikipedia, I'd be happy to put them in. 2) I figured this section might give me trouble, but I'd hate to lose it. It's just hard to prove something is not true without someone flat out denying it. I think most of the things I put are okay, because they are already contradicted by facts earlier in the article (from valid sources). The refs I provided for those were just to show that they are in fact real rumors that are out there. (And, I have to disagree with Jorrel: I think Wikipedia is a perfectly valid source when being used as a source for misinformation.) Still, I'm open to suggestions on how to improve this. -- Ozzel 20:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I made improvised a template and added 3 sound clips. -- Ozzel 07:04, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

(1 Inqs/3 Users/4 total)
Support
 * 1) Nominated.  Greyman ( Paratus ) 18:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Grand Master of the GA Order, my vote is in.  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers ) 18:29, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Good job Greyman. --Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 18:47, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Very nice. -- Ozzel 02:07, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Object

Comments
 * I did a complete rewrite and expansion of this article&mdash;so, let me introduce you all to the new and improved Mrs. Nomi Sunrider :) Greyman ( Paratus ) 18:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

(1 Inqs/3 Users/4 total)
Support
 * 1) Nominated.   Greyman ( Paratus ) 18:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Looks great. --Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 18:43, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers ) 20:04, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) I certainly like it. --School of Thrawn 101 04:19, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Could use a longer intro.  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers ) 18:30, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) *Expanded just a little. Though, some FA's do have shorter intro's&hellip;it's all about the info available. See here. Greyman ( Paratus ) 18:52, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * I wrote this for GA a month or two ago, and have done some work recently (along with a copy-edit courtesy of School of Thrawn 101) in an effort to make it ready for FA. Greyman ( Paratus ) 18:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

(1 Inqs/4 Users/5 total)
Support
 * 1) Nominated.  Greyman ( Paratus ) 18:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 18:44, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Ozzel 19:27, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4)  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers ) 20:03, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) You want darkness, Greyman? I'll show you darkness! -  Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 00:33, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Longer intro.  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers ) 18:31, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) *Expanded by a couple words now&hellip;same length as some current FA's, see example here. Greyman ( Paratus ) 18:52, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Would be nice if the BTS said who created the character. -- Ozzel 19:27, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) *Added and fixed :) Greyman ( Paratus ) 19:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * A co-project of Graestan’s and mine which we feel is now ready for FA. Greyman ( Paratus ) 18:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

(1 Inq/2 Users/3 total)
Support
 * 1) Alakazam! It's Xaverri!  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 00:05, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 15:05, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers ) 15:21, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Objections
 * 1) Could we find a picture?  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers ) 14:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) *I think there are no pictures. I also think that the fact that there are no images in the article is not a valid reason to object. --Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 15:05, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) **I think you should keep the count, so that nobody thinks you and Ataru are one.  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers ) 15:21, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) ***Whaaa..? Hmm, Did you just accuse Jedimca0 of being a sockpuppet of Ataru? :P Greyman ( Paratus ) 15:27, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

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