Talk:Revan/Legends

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Swoop Racing
I think it's important I just explain this right now, to avoid any problems with the individual(s) who are changing the swoop race information. Hukta Jax was the champion the season before Revan competed, not Queedle. Queedle at no point was champion, even after he beat Jax, because Revan had not yet competed. Just to reiterate, Hukta Jax was the Manaan sector champion a full season before Revan raced, which is why his name is supposed to be listed there. Master Kavar 04:01, 20 September 2006 (UTC) ''Attention fans! A new contender will now face the time set by your resident champion Queedle! Excitement is guaranteed!''
 * We're having a failure to understand one another since I don't understand you. Hukta Jax is Swoop champion. Revan comes along and gives Queedle money. Queedle manages to beat Hukta, which would grant him Sector Champion. Revan quickly beat Queedle afterwards. I'm failing to see why you think Queedle was never champion.

I'm not sure how to interpret residential champion but I'll allow others to interpret. -- Redemption Talk 04:13, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I see your point, I do remember them saying that now. I may be completly wrong on this, but I don't see how Jax, Queedle, and Revan could all be champion in the same season. I assumed naturally that every competitor would race their sets, and once everyone was finished that the fastest was made Champion, not whomever had the highest time at any point. I'm really not trying to be a dick about this. Master Kavar 04:20, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Can somone tell me who the voice actor
of Revan was?

You can hear some words spoken by Revan as a male, like "what" etc and some battle quotes?

144.132.15.155 09:26, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Perhaps IMDB has something about the act/or/ress, IF s/he is listed in the game credits. Anyway, i think Revan's image is too dark. Luke On Wheels (just kidding, i'm not LOW)
 * I think the same actor does all the 'replies' when you put a character do some stuff (such as slicing or demolishing). This is the only case Revan is heard. MoffRebus 12:21, 30 April 2006 (UTC)

which is your favourite look on revan
My favourite is the one that looks slightly tan, with a small gotie. You can see it from Knights of the old republic 2: the sith lords website, in the trailer. It is from the lines: "But if he takes the path of a jedi, those who join him will feal the vengeance of the dark side. Right after you see Kreia. what do you think,

144.132.15.155 12:08, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The discussion page is for discussions about the article. - TopAce 12:55, 13 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I know that this isnt the place for disscussion, but thats mine too --70.71.210.205 22:10, 23 July 2006 (UTC)


 * My favorite is the guy with the long hair. He just seems like a jedi to me. --Peytonio 22:07, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

He was voiced by Rino Romano.

Image Part II
Here we go again...I was able to find the full version of the image already in the article. --Redemption 03:50, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, no. That pic is disgusting! He looks like his knees are about to give way from beneath him. Plus you can't really see his face, its obscured by his lightsabre. Jasca Ducato 09:35, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

Uhm .. I think it's a great pic o.o His face isn't obscured, unless your computer is literally pitch black .. And he's BENDING his knees. What're you, stupid?.. Also, isn't that Revan when the Strike-Team of Jedi attacked him, except with the black background?
 * Please do not call other users stupid. That can be considered harassment. You might want to check out: Civility.– Sentry  Talk 21:20, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * You're not supposed to see his "face." Mask, remember. --Peytonio 22:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Did you like what i wrote about Revan?
The part about the "Love for Bastila"?

Master Nikolce 09:07, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about everyone else but I did. Although my preference is for female Revan but that's not the point since I already expanded the section to include the non-canon version. I'm not as familiar with the familiar with Juhani as I am with Carth or Bastila so, another sub-section to the Forbidden Romances would be appropiate (and only fair). --Redemption 00:09, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Name Meaning
Was Revan's name based of the word Revenge, Just like how the other sith lord's names have darker meaning? - QX100 17:54, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Put it in the behind the scenes section :) MoffRebus 11:27, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree, it's pure speculation, It can just as well be based on "raven" or "revenant". Besides, Revan is a real name, not a Sith alias. - Sikon [ Talk ] 13:38, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * All BtS sections about Sith Lords' names ARE pure speculations. See Malak, Traya, Sion, Ruin, Plagueis and Sidious (AND Palpatine). MoffRebus 14:53, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Plus, Malak was a real name, not an alias but we still have information on his name. So wether its a real name or not doesn't matter. Jasca Ducato 14:55, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I put it. I guess nobody disagrees, however it needs some rewording. MoffRebus 15:23, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Revan's name was *quite clearly* a derivative of "Revenant", I.e. "a person who returns after a long absence", "recurring: coming back, aka 'a revenant ghost" and "someone who has returned from the dead". All those (aside from being literally dead) work pretty well when you consider the character don't they? And, even though that might have been why BIOWARE called him "Revan", "Revan" wasn't a Sith name, there was no Dark Lord who decided to "Hmm, I'll call him Revan for Revenge/Revanant". (195.92.168.169 12:37, 17 May 2006 (UTC))
 * Well, many Sith Lord's names have more than one dark meaning. Nihilus is a play on Nihil (lating for nothing) and Nihilism (believe that all live is meaningless). As such, Revan's name could possibly mean revenge, or be a play on the word raven. This is all speculation ,mind you, but a good talk subject. Warhobbe 04:46, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Er.. you example is not the best you can give. Nihilism is a word related to nihil. Raven is totaly different from revenge!!! MoffRebus 09:05, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No, but Revan is similar to revenge. And its Revan we're discussing. Jasca Ducato 16:11, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Image Part III
Round 3. FIGHT! Hehe ...never mind. Uh... --Redemption 01:33, 28 April 2006 (UTC) Yes, but like the last arguement concluded, the video of Revan in KOTOR I is the main source for this and that shows him with only one lightsaber. Jasca Ducato 07:45, 29 April 2006 (UTC) --Redemption 17:13, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Still got two lightsabers (which was what the whole problem was about). Jasca Ducato 08:19, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I'm going by how he appeared in K2 and there he appeared with two. --Redemption 00:28, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Can we digital retouch the image to remove one of the hilt XD ? Just kidding. Darth Kevinmhk 10:17, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The same video that shows Bastila Shan with a single-bladed lightsaber? - Sikon [ Talk ] 12:24, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I am late to join the discussion, but I am ok with him wielding 2 blades. Just like Anakin was mainly a Form V single blade user, but he can apply Jar'Kai Ataru against Dooku in EP2; Mace & Depa were mainly single blade Vaapad users, but they both applied Jar'Kai Vaapad in Shatterpoint novel; Sora Bulq is a single blade fighter in EP2, but he applied Jar'Kai Vaapad in EU; Obi-Wan is single blade Soresu+Ataru, but he also applied Jar'Kai against Ventress in Republic comic. Revan may mainly use single blade, or maybe dual blades, but the fact seems like he can use either form, depends on the situation & available resources. So I don't mind a pic of Revan with 2 blades. Darth Kevinmhk 10:38, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. It's updated to have only one lightsaber. --Redemption 17:37, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * How did you make the change? A completely new screenshot or you really digital retouched the pic? Darth Kevinmhk 17:40, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks digitally changed to me. But now its like that i'd support a change. Although i still don't see why one is needed. Jasca Ducato 17:56, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Because the current one is a pile of crap. Blurry, far, bad coloring...Hm. I didn't realize that there was a "dispute" going on...--Redemption 19:11, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Besides the fact that we don't tend to accept digitally altered pictures, and the current Revan image has two lightsabers, I (among others) see absolutely no problem at all with the current image. I see no blur or bad colouring, the image is a nice profile shot of Revan, and it's from an in-game movie scene. Because you only seem to wait for consensus in the little group who post here before changing the page, I have locked it so that other members can vote on it also. Heck, I think it would be better in the CT seeing as you seem to have such a huge problem with the current image despite the fact that others don't. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 19:15, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, if I remember correctly, there were people complaning about the current image and I've been trying to pin a good one down. Unfortunatly it's been the contrast too high (last one), needs to be head shot, too blurry, bad quality, etc. Look back at archive 2, Jaymach but you go all admin nazi (not saying that's how you are but whatever). :P --Redemption 19:19, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The current profile pic looks good to me. Higher resolution is always welcome, of course. Darth Kevinmhk 19:20, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I like the current image as well. RMF 19:25, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The article was featured with the current image. I think it's perfectly fine. - Sikon [ Talk ] 14:40, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * So lets just leave it then. Whats wrong with that? Jasca Ducato 18:11, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
 * People were complaining about it before. That's whats wrong with it. Folks here can't make up their mind about the images. :P --Redemption 03:58, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The Revanhalf picture here is definitely better than the revanludotomb picture. i vote for this picture...
 * Sign your comment, then i'll take you seriously! If there being two lightsabers is the problem just edit the current picture to get rid of one of the lightsabers. Jasca Ducato 19:16, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see a problem with two sabers. After all, the Kotor 1 scene shows Bastila with one blade, so how seriously can we really take that? It could be that Kotor 2 just retconned it; a fairly common thing in Star Wars, as I recall.User:SithPower
 * Then lets just leave it, the current picture is fine enough. Please just stop the argueing, we'll never reach a conclusion. Jasca Ducato
 * I very much hope that this discussion can end so that the shield would be deactivated. Darth Kevinmhk 13:00, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I almost hate to do this, but here is a new pic that is more like the current title image, but at much higher resolution and without lightsabers:
 * http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/6600/revan1dy.th.jpg--Sentry 02:27, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Here is a croppped version...--Sentry 08:30, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I vote for the revanhalf picture! -Me-
 * Actually, I like Sentrys. Just needs to be cropped.
 * http://img119.imageshack.us/img119/3940/revan4do.th.jpgHere is a cropped version.--Sentry 08:30, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * t. pic of sentry is also good, but a sword is missing. what do others think? -Me-
 * That was the whole point really. No one is in agreement on how many lightsabers Revan used...--Sentry 08:30, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well if thats the case just use that one. This is dragging on and at this rate we're not going to reach a conclusion on which all agree. Jasca Ducato 18:49, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Just an opinion of a KotOR 2 addict. The (K1) "Fall of Revan" cutscene depicts both Revan and Bastila Shan with one single bladed saber, red and yellow, respectively. This, at least by some, was supposed to be Bastila's "Padawan Lightsaber" and she made a double-bladed later... Or something of the sort, such as that it was her saber and it got destroyed in the attack by Malak, so she made a double-bladed. Either way, just talking about canon and not quality, I believe that Revan could be depicted either way. He was seen with two sabers as well. -Admiral Chamrajnagar
 * All true Swordmasters have one lightsaber, except maybe Exar Kun. And so does Revan. I vote for the Revanhalf picture -Me-
 * My point is, a guy who know how to wield 2 blades doesnt have to always use 2 blades - demonstrate by Mace & Sora in movies: they both demonstrated great dual blades technique in EU; on the other hand, a guy who dont know how to wield 2 blades can use dual weapons too! So personally, I dont care whether Revan was seen with how many blades, as long as those are canonical pics. Darth Kevinmhk 13:21, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

In my eyes, I think the Revanhalf.jpeg image is MUCH better than anything else suggested. It's clear, reasonably lit, shows Darth Revan's robes in crystal clear color and design, and shows him in a pose that is both respectful to his intelligence, as well as intimidating, depicting his stance of the Dark Side Philosophy genuinely well. The fact that he wields one Lightsaber and not dual is a mediocre argument. The concept of Darth Revan wielding Form X was just a fanfic concept until KotOR II came out, and in KotOR II, he wasn't the true Revan, but a vision of the Jedi Exile. It is very possible that Revan (considering he may have been a Jedi Guardian) wielded dual Lightsabers, but we should remember that all Jedi, no matter their strongest style, were typically seen with their original Lightsaber; not to mention, but in KotOR I, Darth Revan is always seen with a single Lightsaber. Now, I understand the argument of those who would prefer no Lightsaber shown at all, but let's look at the basis of this choice: You can either live with a somewhat discolored shot that doesn't truly show the strength of Darth Revan's appearance, and live with this image because he is weaponless; OR, you can compromise with a single Lightsaber, and in place, depict a main image that truly shows Darth Revan in his best and brightest. Now, considering I'm not even a member, I won't make this change; I'd prefer not to begin an edit war. However, I highly request that my opinion be at least considered. - Leon Loire, 9/2/06 at 11:34 p.m.
 * I hate being a necromancer, and post my opinion when I'm not even a registered member, BUT, I do consider myself a loyal fan of KotORs I and II, and considering I revere Revan on a level that rivals Darth Vader himself, I can't help myself but argue my opinion.

Battle at Malachor
Hey do we actually know if Revan even drew upon Dark Side energies during the battle of Malachor V to corrupt the Jedi? Because I remember Atton saying that Revan wasn't even present at the battle. Or is my memory wrong?

EDIT: I'm an idiot... I thought this was the Jedi Civil War page sorry.

Part X: Proving Grounds Time frame: 3,961 - 3,956 B.B.Y. Period name: Knights of the Old Republic
 * well you question is related to Revan after all... sorry i dont have an answer, i only played KOTOR1. Darth Kevinmhk 04:20, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Continue at Talk:Jedi Civil War. - Sikon [ Talk ] 10:05, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Guess I better post this so no noobs change stuff without knowing better... Its an excerpt from Chronicles of the Old Republic - Copyright LucasArts

It is a period of tumult and astuteness for the galaxy's most powerful entities, as the Mandalorian conflict culminates. The Jedi, fighting alongside the Republic and their finest tactical minds, such as Admiral SAUL KARATH aboard his flagship Leviathan, begin to force the fierce Mandalorians back into a retreat. The rout of the Mandalorians reaches a crescendo above the skies of Malachor V. Unbeknownst to the Jedi Order, DARTH REVAN has discovered numerous Sith artifacts and holocrons, all stored in great tomb-like cities buried beneath Malachor V's surface. As Revan plundered these tombs and relics, he fell deeper into the Dark Side. He learned of the location and the true nature of Korriban, he learned of the location of other Sith artifacts, and he learned how those strong in the light side of the Force could be seduced and made to see the strength inherent in the Sith teachings.

Revan knew he had discovered more than a staging area for the Mandalorian War - he had discovered an ancient, planet-sized Sith storehouse of knowledge. He had discovered a world that held one purpose - to teach and train others in the ways of the Sith. He had discovered a weapon that he could use against the Mandalorians, and a weapon by which he could convert more Jedi to his cause. This process of "turning" Jedi into SITH ASSASSINS continued even as the Jedi Council hailed Revan as a hero, as he lead the Republic forces to victory over the Mandalorians in the skies above Malachor V, and forces them to surrender. Revan is able to draw upon the dark side energies of the planet below and use it during the battle, destroying the Mandalore and ending the Mandalorian threat. Simultaneously, more and more Jedi, unable to ignore the power emanating from the planet below, become corrupted by its influence.

--Sentry 05:47, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not a fan of the chronicles, mainly because there are *so* many inconsistancies and errors within. For example: Kreia becoming a Sith Lord *after* KotOR makes no sense, especially if you buy the "she felt guilty for Revan's fall" line - since Revan was *redeemed* by this point. As for the battle of Malachor - well... the chronicles seem to imply that the "Utter devastation" unleashed was due to Revan harnessing dark side power, whereas the game clearly states that it was the Mass Shadow Generator. Honestly, I wish they'd just not bothered writing the chronicles, and put some decent exposition into KotOR 2 itself. (Ulicus 23:32, 19 May 2006 (UTC))


 * He and Malak did find the Trayus academy in the Trayus Core of Malachor V after the battle. Then they went in search of the Star Forge and boom... there goes KOTOR and KOTOR II. --Peytonio 22:12, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Height
Does anyone know Revan's height? Although, the canonical Male revan that i played, he was taller then most of the party members.

Also, how do write does little, things where they take you to the notes section?

Master Nikolce 07:26, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No, Revans height has not been canonically revealed and any info about it would likely be Original Research.

If you want to write like this you need to put these in your message kahihda. Jasca Ducato 08:17, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Since Malak is supposedly 2.02 metres tall and HK-47 is supposedly 1.8 metres tall (both must really be taller), Revan is probably a fair bit shorter than Luke Skywalker height. And apparently every other male in the galaxy is as well. :P


 * Supposedly, he is around 5' 10" to around 6' 2" (dependingn on your class, supposedly, with Scoundrel being 5' 10" and soldier being 6' 2" and scout being 6' 0")... around that area... my guess - 6 foot tall... because i can see him as being a sentinel and well-balanced. --Peytonio 22:15, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * In the cut scene where Revan and Malak go into the Dantooine ruins, Revan appears quite a bit shorter than Malak. Didn't the game designer say that he invisioned Revan as a female or something? Maybe that has something to do with it.
 * Malak's frighteningly tall in the Exile's vision in that tomb in KoTOR 2 though. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 11:40, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

All of Revan's faces
Can we see a screenshot of all of Revan's faces? You know, the choices we have at the beginning of the game?
 * Erm, no.

Why would you want one anyway? Jasca Ducato 14:21, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * This would be worthy to put up on an article- there would be a quiltwork of all possible facial choices, with a caption reading: "All of Revan's possible faces the player chooses at start-up." After all, why not? --68.102.193.78 17:12, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * For one thing, that image would have to be quite large to be meaningful as the selection of faces, both male and female, is rather large. In any case, it would have to be placed in the 'behind the scenes' section, but even there, I don't really see what the point would be...--Sentry 21:07, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Especially since pretty much all of them but the "Mullet Head" and the "Scarred Beneath Right Eye Head" (generally considered the most popular male Revan heads) were reused for NPCs throughout KotOR II. (Ulicus 23:34, 19 May 2006 (UTC))

Just read through the article again
Oh dear... and to think that only a couple of months ago it was coming on so well.

An example:

''Upon the surface, he was nearly destroyed by Sith energies, yet such was his strength of will that he was able to feed on and not be consumed. He survived the encounter, but unlike many who were tainted by the dark side Revan did not let his actions be directed by the dark side.''

There are so many problems with this extract. It has kept elements of the old stuff, sure, but it's just those little additions and subtractions that have completely bastardised it...

The first sentence makes no grammatical sense.

"able to feed on and not be consumed"

WHAT? You need SOMETHING after "on", even if it's as basic as "the dark power" or somesuch. You can't just say "able to feed on and not be consumed".

The second sentence sounds infantile.

"He survived the encounter, but unlike many who were tainted by the dark side Revan did not let his actions be directed by the dark side."

First off - "He survived the encounter" should not be linked by "but" with: "unlike many who were tainted by the dark side... blah blah"

You'd use "and" in this context.

Secondly, could we at least *try* to be interesting? You would not write a sentence saying: "the large cat went into the large door" unless you were writing for two year olds.

The same applies here.

It's a shame people felt the need to edit this article so damn much without *checking in the discussion page*, thus getting it bleedin' *protected* of all things, now I can't even brush it up! Gahhhh!!!! *Cries*

Ah whatever. I'll just bog off.(Ulicus 23:46, 21 May 2006 (UTC))
 * I agree. There should be a basic English grammar test for this site. Cutch 05:05, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * haha. Hear Hear! It looks like we will have to mine the page history and paste a lot of the old version back into the current one...--Sentry 05:09, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * just finish the argument and crack the shield so that we can work again. Darth Kevinmhk 05:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * This section has nothing to do with the edit shield Darth Kevinmhk. That has been in place since April 29th and was implemented because people kept switching the main image without consensus.--Sentry 07:16, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I know and was actually refering to the image discussion. Sorry to cause misunderstanding. Darth Kevinmhk 12:55, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, looking through the page history, it looks like I was responsible for the "feed on and not be consumed" goof. Whoops. I still stand by my original comments! Albeit with a little bit of red in my face. (Ulicus 21:34, 9 June 2006 (UTC))

his skin turn all gray and theres smoke all around himDark Lord Selven 03:46, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Possible Unmasked Revan


I'm just curious if anyone thinks we should include this image anywhere in the article, possible in the Behind the scenes section? It's an image which was used to represent Revan in an American advert for Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, which was released before KoTOR actually came out. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 03:32, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say it's worth if, if only in BTS. What was the context of the add? Did it say that this was Revan? Kuralyov 03:33, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Link to the advert. :) I thought it implied it was him myself, and the images does fit with the models used to represent Revan in other adverts, but decide for yourself. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 03:37, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems like a good idea to me. Kuralyov 03:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I like the idea, and who knows, it might actually be the canonical Revan one day. User:RushinSundaws 11:27, 4 June 2006
 * Oh, stop talking about it and just put it in! I like it, you like it, we all like it! Just add it! Lord vader1414 21:38, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't! I demand it be taken out of the article! (Just kidding) I really doubt that that is the canonical Revan - but I do like the voice.(Ulicus 21:36, 9 June 2006 (UTC))
 * i think we shold put it in, maybe even as the main image...but only with a better shot...deffo needs to go behind the sceneJedi Dude
 * Uh, no. Sorry. We don't know what canon Revan looks like - and I doubt we ever will. To be honest, I'm still disgusted that they gave him a canon gender and ending. ESPECIALLY when KotOR 2 works regardless of any combination of those. (Ulicus 22:10, 9 June 2006 (UTC))
 * I say put it in. Why? 1) It's obviously supposed to be Revan&mdash;his saber changes from blue (Revan's canonical color of choice from Shadows and Light) to red for Pete's sake! 2) We can always change it, people, if something different comes along. Why not make it the main image? It's the best we have. Cutch 22:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It is in the article but it should not be the main image. That doesn't even look like one of the heads you can choose in the game! Besides, I've seen *other* "advert Revans" in magazines (one with a split between his face and Malak's) and adverts do not equal canon. I mean, there's games footage in that advert, but people don't say that the "footage shows the canon event" do they?(Ulicus 22:57, 9 June 2006 (UTC))
 * And why is Revan's canonical lightsaber blue? The *entire image is blue*. Even Malak's head is blue tinted - the space outside the window is blue, the rakata are blue. (Ulicus 08:15, 10 June 2006 (UTC))
 * If you watch the trailer where he shows up, you'll see that the guy in is wearing a combination of Count Dooku's cape and Obi-Wan's robes. I would say that is most definitely not Revan. - lalala_la

his skin is all gray and he has smoke all around himDark Lord Selven 03:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)


 * In reference to the image, I think it'd be a great add-in for BTS, but to claim that's the "Canon" image of the Jedi Revan is a pretty bad idea. I definitely agree with the Canon storyline, but it's best just to leave the appearance of Revan to fan interpretation. Personally I see him being the image, but I'm sure other fans of other cultures could prefer his Asian or African appearances; all in all, it's best to leave appearances out of the way.

Now, regarding this Lightsaber matter, the blue Lightsaber is Canon because of the common Blue-Red references. Since the beginning of Star Wars, the Blue bladed Lightsaber has always been referenced as "Good", whereas the Red Lightsabers are "Evil". To show Revan with a Blue blade clearly shows his alignment, and it works in the same effect as the second aspect of the Advert where they change the color to Red. When referring to the "Redeemed Revan" concept art, just remember the artist is attempting to make a mark of the Light Side, and if Blue is the Light Side, then that should be the filter lighting. Visitor Leon Loire
 * ok, first things first. Do not just post in the middle of a conversation, especially since it has nothing to do with his canon appearance. Second, your agruement is wrong', plain and simple. Luke had a green lightsaber, so that is not always the case. for all we know Revan might have weilded a red lightsaber as a Jedi, it's unlikely, but not impossible. As you have admitted yourself, it was just the act of the artst trying to show Revan's alignment. Jasca Ducato Sith Council (Sith campaign) 08:24, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Image Part IV
I do not understand why is there has been such controversy over the image.

Someone with a good graphics card should hack the game so that they're wearing Revan's cutscene robes, complete the dark side ending - wait for the point where the camera gives us a close up of Revan with his arms crossed and TAKE A SCREENSHOT. Revan looks dominant, awesome, Sith Lordy - and there are NO lightsabers in sight. Problem solved. (Ulicus 21:38, 9 June 2006 (UTC))
 * See? The guy's practically staring us down. Click on it, then imagine how it would look if I didn't have a crappy NVidia GForce 4 MX and it was clearer and beautiful.(Ulicus 21:44, 9 June 2006 (UTC))
 * Oh, and none of this, "It's taken from the non-canon ending" stuff. It's a picture and it's a good one - well not THAT one, but if taken by someone with a better spec, it will be. That's all that matters. We know that Revan had stood on that balcony no matter what ending you pick (in the Revelation scene), so it really doesn't matter that the image itself comes from the DS ending.(Ulicus 22:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC))
 * Personally, I like the picture, the only problem is that its too dark. Someone with decent photoshop skills could fix that, though, right? Lonnyd 22:16, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah - I'm not proposing we use *this* picture. My graphics are lame. This is simply the best way to demonstrate what I'm talking about. I'm sure there's someone out there with a much more powerful system than me... that said, it's much clearer on the main image as opposed to the thumbnail, which is rather murky.(Ulicus 22:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC))
 * Well, personally I like the current one. Darth Kevinmhk 03:49, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't have a problem with the proposed one if the colors weren't so disorted and it looks very blurry. Looks like the graphics weren't turned up as high as they could be. --Redemption 04:10, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * FFS, can we just leave it. The page will just get banned for another 6 months or whatever! Jasca Ducato 06:55, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Redemption, I did mention the fact that my graphics *suck*. The screenshot would need to be taken by someone with a high end graphics card - this picture was just to give an example of the exact screenshot I'm talking about. (This isn't even a true screenshot, it's two halves of roughly the same screenshot put together. The first time around the face got messed up - the second time around you couldn't see the bottom half of his body. So I stuck 'em together. You can notice the change in colour on his cape.) (Ulicus 08:13, 10 June 2006 (UTC))

Cool! I never knew you could get his mask too.--Malak 18:47, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I love the current profile pic, and I dont see any reason why it should be changed. Darth Kevinmhk 04:12, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Dark Lord Selvencan you actually get revans robes and mask because that would be awesome and i would totally get themDark Lord Selven 20:47, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

"Into the Unknown" "Finding the Star Forge"
I've added a new section between "Mandalorian Wars" and "The Jedi Civil War" that gives details of what Revan and Malak got up to during their search for the Star Forge. It's pretty basic, and it's probably got a load of grammatical errors, but I felt it was a worthwhile addition. It could probably be expanded to include details about each Star Map - like how Revan altered the rakatan computer to act as a test on Kashyyyk, or his building HK-47 to communicate with the Sand People (is that still canon or not?) but I just wanted to get a basic skeleton down first.(Ulicus 03:29, 12 June 2006 (UTC)) Oh - and it seems very likely that Revan and Malak visited Korriban during the Mandalorian Wars for a purpose other than the Star Map, as Bastila says "I know that Revan and Malak visited Korriban at least once". Since she wouldn't know of any visits after the Mandalorian Wars (they disappeared), that's the only real explaination. It was probably around that time that Revan subdued the Sith that had remained on the world (Jorak etc).(Ulicus 18:29, 12 June 2006 (UTC)) __
 * Crap, forgot abotu the other "Into the UNknown", changing it presently.(Ulicus 03:31, 12 June 2006 (UTC))
 * Ok, so now it's "Finding hte Star Forge", I think that's crap and too similar to "Search for the Star Forge", but it'll do for now.(Ulicus 03:33, 12 June 2006 (UTC))
 * I suppose we could go with the slightly cheesy, "The First Search for the Star Forge" and "The Second Search for the Star Forge" ;)
 * Renamed it. Jasca Ducato 16:43, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Except Revan was already the Dark Lord of the Sith by that point, so he wasn't starting down anything. (Ulicus 17:28, 12 June 2006 (UTC))
 * We don't actually know that! We never find out the exact time that cutscene takes place. From what i gathered they found it before they went on the Mandalorian Wars, thus starting down the path. Jasca Ducato 17:30, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Before? Almost certainly not. But during? Possibly. Regardless, I think "Dark Odyssey" works better. It gives a decent description what they're embarking upon, it doesn't make the assumption that they're "starting" down the dark path and it's a little nod to the Odyssey Engine as well. (Ulicus 17:33, 12 June 2006 (UTC))
 * And why certainly not before? Jasca Ducato 17:38, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Because it is stated that Revan learnt Korriban's location from Malachor V - had he discovered the Dantooine Star Map *before* going to Malachor V, he would have learnt Korriban's location from that Star Map. Because of this, it's pretty much universally accepted that it was on Malachor V that he learnt of the Star Forge.(Ulicus 17:53, 12 June 2006 (UTC))
 * Then why does Malak fear the reprucussions of their actions in the temple mound on Dantooine? He wouldn't excately be afraid if he was laready a Sith would he? besides, how would Revan have learnt of the Star Map, on Korriban, on Malachor V? What i mean is that there isn't a Star map on Malachor V, so that makes no sense! If that is the case i think its just a programmers error. They found the first map on Dantooine before the Mandalorian Wars. Jasca Ducato 18:32, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Why would he have gone to Korriban during the Mandalorian Wars!?! He would have been fighting the Mandalorians! You have basically just proved my point. They travelled to Korriban 'purely for the reason that the Star Map was on the planet. Jasca Ducato 18:34, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Jasca. Firstly, Revan found time to go to Malachor V and study the ways of the Sith during the Mandalorian Wars. It is quite possible for a general to lay plans for a battle and not be present at the battle itself. There is nothing stopping Revan and Malak from having been to Korriban shortly after Revan learnt of its location from Malachor V. We know for a *fact* that Revan learnt of Korriban's location from Malachor V - indisputable - it was mentioned enough times. So he can't have found the first Star Map before Malachor V. I'm not suggesting that there was a Star Map on Malachor V, just that there was information hinting at the Star Forge leading him to them.

Secondly, as the article explains, Malak was "fresher" to the dark side than Revan, and was essentially deluding himself into thinking that they still had a "get out clause" of the whole "Sith business". You'll remember that he *also* says "the dark side is strong here, I can feel its power" - whilst looking pretty damn happy to be basking in it. He's a Sith (or on the road to becoming one), but that doesn't mean he's fully confident in everything he's doing yet. Revan on the other hand, is a Sith.

Thirdly, Revan was wearing his Sith Robes in the Dantooine vision. It could be argued that he was only wearing them "in the dream", as a way for mindwiped Revan's subconcious mind to hide the truth from himself, but as far as we know - canonically, Revan was already a dark sider clad in Sith Robes when he visited Dantooine for the first Star Map. It is unlikely that this was before the Mandalorian Wars - though I wouldn't be surprised if it was *during* the wars, sometime after they visited Malachor V. In fact, they could have visited Dantooine and Korriban for the Stap Maps *during* the wars, then visited Manaan, Kashyyk and Tattooine *after*. That actually makes more sense to me and works with what we're told in K2. (Ulicus 19:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC))

"Revan found time to go to Malachor V and study the ways of the Sith during the Mandalorian Wars. It is quite possible for a general to lay plans for a battle and not be present at the battle itself"
 * Ulicus. Firstly;

- Ulicus

I highly doubt that, apart from the fact that it was a world under Mandalorian control up until the battle of Malachor V that would be impossible. It is possible, but its also been mention enough times that he was present at the battle, he killed the Mandalore at the battle!

"Secondly, as the article explains, Malak was "fresher" to the dark side than Revan, and was essentially deluding himself into thinking that they still had a "get out clause" of the whole "Sith business". You'll remember that he *also* says "the dark side is strong here, I can feel its power" - whilst looking pretty damn happy to be basking in it. He's a Sith (or on the road to becoming one), but that doesn't mean he's fully confident in everything he's doing yet. Revan on the other hand, is a Sith."

- Ulicius

We don't actually know how and when they "fell" to the darkside, everything points to the Trayus academy, but thats not set in stone, Kreia has said that enough times! You'll remember that many have said that same thing and NOT been Sith!

"Thirdly, Revan was wearing his Sith Robes in the Dantooine vision. It could be argued that he was only wearing them "in the dream", as a way for mindwiped Revan's subconcious mind to hide the truth from himself, but as far as we know - canonically, Revan was already a dark sider clad in Sith Robes when he visited Dantooine for the first Star Map. It is unlikely that this was before the Mandalorian Wars - though I wouldn't be surprised if it was *during* the wars, sometime after they visited Malachor V. In fact, they could have visited Dantooine and Korriban for the Stap Maps *during* the wars, then visited Manaan, Kashyyk and Tattooine *after*. That actually makes more sense to me and works with what we're told in K2."

- Ulicius

Secondly, it has been proven that they [his robes] were also worn by Revan during his time as a Jedi. He adopted them for his Sith robes after he fell to the darkside. Remember, we don't know the initial reason why Revan fell, so he could easily have began his fall before the war. Remember what Zhar said in K1; "Revan often came to me[&hellip;]how to best leave the order"

- Zhar .

That was before the Mandalorian War! Why would he be wanting to leave the Order after the war, he was already a Sith by then! There you go, all your points have been counter-proven! Anything else? Jasca Ducato 19:37, 12 June 2006 (UTC) ____________________________________________________________________________ "There you go, all your points have been counter-proven!"

- Jasca

You mean all the points you *think* I've been making? :D "I highly doubt that"

- Jasca

It doesn’t matter if you doubt it, it has its precedent in real world history. Generals lay the plans and strategies for battles and though they can be present during a battle, they don’t *necessarily* have to be present during a battle. I didn't deny Revan was present at the Battle of Malachor however, as I'll address below... "apart from the fact that it was a world under Mandalorian control up until the battle of Malachor V that would be impossible."

- Jasca

No it wasn’t. The Mandalorians avoided the planet like the plague because it was a cultural taboo for them. Revan lured them there. "It is possible, but its also been mention enough times that he was present at the battle, he killed the Mandalore at the battle!"

- Jasca

When did I deny he was at the Battle of Malachor V? Revan discovered Malachor V in *before* the battle there, and studied the ways of the Sith *before* the battle there. It is unspecified when exactly during the wars he found Malachor V. All we know is that he lured the Mandalorians to Malachor at the END of the war.

I was (quite clearly) referring to Revan and Malak possibly visiting Dantooine and Korriban *after* Revan had studied at the Trayus Academy but *before the end* of the Wars, not the battle of Malachor.

You did this in the Jedi Civil War talk page too – please read my posts through properly before responding to them. You'll save yourself some grief :) "We don't actually know how and when they "fell" to the darkside, everything points to the Trayus academy, but thats not set in stone, Kreia has said that enough times!"

- Jasca

Actually the evidence points to Revan slowly turning over the course of the Mandalorian Wars and then finally making his choice at Malachor V. That doesn't matter however, since I was referring specifically to Revan’s acquisition of Sith knowledge, which definitely *did* occur at the Trayus Academy. It is more than likely that he was walking the dark path (though had not fully embraced/realised it) before Malachor V.

This is irrelevant however, since we know Revan discovered the location of Korriban at Malachor, not at Dantooine.

Therefore, he *was* the Dark Lord in the Dantooine cutscene, and *must* have found that Star Map during or after the war. Besides, why would he have wanted a factory for churning out an infinite fleet *before* the war? He needed the Star Forge for his plans to stop the True Sith.

And:

“Kreia has said” what enough times? What are you talking about? Are you referring to her “Did Revan fall?” comments? "You'll remember that many have said that same thing and NOT been Sith!"

- Jasca

You’re going to have to be a little more specific and give me some examples of what you mean, because I’ll confess you’ve confused me here. Are you talking about the masters discussing the whens and hows of Revan's fall? "Secondly, it has been proven that they [his robes] were also worn by Revan during his time as a Jedi. He adopted them for his Sith robes after he fell to the darkside."

- Jasca

Ok, give me this proof – there might well be some that I’m not aware of. Yuthura talks of Darth Revan being known for wearing “full helmet and cape”, is that what you meant? That proves nothing.

And even if he *did* wear the robes as a Jedi - which wouldn't surprise me - the fact remains that Revan discovered the location of Korriban *at Malachor V* - not on Dantooine. So he *must* have gone to Malachor V before he went to Dantooine for the first Star Map. You didn’t even begin to address that in your response. "Remember, we don't know the initial reason why Revan fell, so he could easily have began his fall before the war."

- Jasca

Yeah, he could have done. It's even suggested by Vrook. *Shrug* Your point? I’m not even arguing against that. "That was before the Mandalorian War! Why would he be wanting to leave the Order after the war, he was already a Sith by then!"

- Jasca

Where did I suggest he went for training after the wars? You've lost me!!! Help!

Anyway, from the information we are given in K1 and K2, the conclusions we *have* to draw are:


 * Revan learnt the ways of the Sith on Malachor V (regardless of whether or not he was already dark beforehand)
 * Revan discovered the location of Korriban on Malachor V
 * This excludes the possibility that he found the Dantooine Star Map (which also gives the location of Korriban) before he became the Dark Lord/a Sith
 * Which in turn, excludes the possibility that he found the map before the wars, *unless* of course he went to Malachor V before the wars, which is unlikely considering the other information we have.

This is getting a little unnecessarily heated, so I want you to be aware that I don't harbour any ill-feelings, nor am I trying to "make you look stupid", but you haven't really addressed any of my points in your responses, instead you've addressed a bunch of points you *think* I've been making, but I haven't.

This has all stemmed out of you believing that it's possible that Revan and Malak found the Dantooine Star Map before Revan was a Sith Lord. Once you take KotOR 2 into account however, this is simply not possible, no matter how much you might want to believe it.

Peace. (Ulicus 21:46, 12 June 2006 (UTC))
 * Holy hell, that was quite the two-sided rant... I'm not sure that I want to wade into this one, but I guess I will. Virtually everything that Ulicus stated is firmly backed up by the Chronicles of the Old Republic and KotOR II. If you need proof Jasca Ducato, check out the entire block of text that I quoted from the Chronicles above. That particular information is supported by dialog from the game, so their really isn't anything left to argue about. And lastly Jasca Ducato, please actually read someone's posts before attempting to form a reply, otherwise you are just wasting space AND other people's time. --Sentry [ Talk ] 04:27, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

i know it's been a while since the last post, and i hate to be noobish, but isn't it possible that during the war Revan found the star map, but simply had no chance to break away from battle to get to korriban until after the battle of malachor V, where he discovered other links to the planet and then realised the importance of going there as soon as possible? --DarthSadis 02:15, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

"Cult of Personality"
I've removed the part that mentions Revan having "developed a sizable cult of personality". Whilst it just about might work if taken as an analogy, it's a little too extreme and not really accurate. I shouldn't have put it in in the first place really - I just liked the political connotations.

If it is re-inserted, it should be done in such away that Revan's status is *compared* to that of a cult of personality, rather than saying that he's actually developed one. The language is too strong for what is actually implied in the game - we know that most young Jedi admired Revan, looked up to him and according to Juhani, those who followed him "talked about him all the time", but to go as far to say "cult of personality"? Hmmm... I think I was overstepping the line there. He might have developed it as he got further involved in the Mandalorian Wars, but it's unlikely that he did so whilst still in the Jedi Order.(Ulicus 12:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC))

Jedi Training Edit
Changed the “Jedi Training” section a bit, below are the main changes and the justifications for them:

 The implication that Revan went for “additional training” with Zhar whilst Kreia’s padawan 

Zhar’s statements in KotOR tell us that Revan “often came to [him] for additional training”

This implies that at that point, Revan was studying beneath another Master, since otherwise he would neither “come to him” (he’d already be there), or be getting “additional training”, since Zhar would *be* his trainer.

From the bitterness in which she mentions Zhar, one would assume that Kreia was Revan’s “proper master”(and first master) at this point. Since Zhar mentions that he was “still on Coruscant”, and Kreia herself mentions Zhar before saying “and other Jedi, on other planets”, it thus follows that Revan and Kreia were both on the same planet as Zhar – which Zhar tells us is Coruscant.

So, since we know that Revan actually adopted Zhar as his “proper master”, it follows that he did this straight after finally finishing with Kreia - which allowed him to move onto Zhar entirely (as opposed to it being ‘additionally’).

Fom this point on, Revan “Master hops” to Dorak and Kae (unless Kae is, you know, Kreia) and the others, exhausting each of them before moving on to the next.

 Studying Force Bonds 

The quote is as follows:

It was rumored that Revan studied such bonding deeply, both through the Jedi histories and with certain teachers, before he left the Order and went to war. - Mical

So I felt it was worth putting in. Maybe it has some relation to how a bond was quickly formed between him and Bastila? (Beyond the fact that she saved his life with the Force). Who knows? It's interesting regardless. (Ulicus 22:56, 13 June 2006 (UTC))

Removed Image
I removed the image that Darth Oblivion inserted at the end of the Mandalorian Wars section. Besides the fact that it was of terrible quality (I should know, I uploaded it to Wookieepedia), it's placement wasn't particularly great.

If people do make changes, could they please justify those changes on the talk page? You know, rather than just wandering off :P (Ulicus 16:35, 19 June 2006 (UTC))

It was my fault. I apologize.--Darth Oblivion 15:24, 22 June 2006 (UTC)


 * No harm done, t'was easily edited after all. (Ulicus 12:03, 23 June 2006 (UTC))

Lightsaber colors in KOTOR II
The first time I played through, the vision of Revan did indeed have one purple blade and one red blade as mentioned in the article. Oddly, the second time, he had on blue and one red.--Darth Oblivion 15:28, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You sure? You might've been playing with your TV/monitor colors. Otherwise, it's a glitch. I've played through the game several (understatement) and it's always been purple and red. Redemption 19:20, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I just played and Revan had one Purple and one Orange. I guess we can say Revan used Purple for sure... --GMo 19:00, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I wonder, is it possible that depending on the choices you make about Revan at the start (gender/alignment) affect what colour the sabers are in the vision, personally I don't recall seeing anything other than red/purple but then I tend to set Revan to LS male most of the time. 95 Headhunter 09:28, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Age
Does any one know Revans's age?I guess he's in his 40's or 50's.He has to be older than Malak.But not as old as Jolee.--Malak 08:45, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, not that old, obviously. Bastila is supposed to be his romantic interest, remember? Also, he was referred to as a "young" Jedi Knight when he went to the Mandalorian Wars. - Sikon [ Talk ] 08:54, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Malak was probaly a teen in the vision Revan saw of Revan and Malak.Revan was probaly like 10 years older than Revan.--Malak 01:38, 3 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd say that like all of the main heros of the GFFA he's around 20-35 years old. He doesn't have to be older than Malak, I mean, Palpatine was younger than Dooku. Either way, they aren't that old (40-50). --Sauron18 20:51 02 July 2006 (CDT)

I'd say hes around 25 when your playing as him I doubt he'd be much older Dark Lord Selven 20:53, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I generally place him at about 28 in KotOR, with Malak being about four years or so older. If he's twenty-eight, that puts him at twenty-one when he breaks away from the Jedi Order and Malak at twenty-five. Of course, you could give or take a year, but having Revan at *twenty-five* during KotOR would mean he was eighteen when he was leading a huge faction of the Jedi to war... he has to have had *some* time to distinquish himself as a Jedi Knight before the wars. On the other hand, I kinda consider 29 to be the "cut off point", for being able to get away with being called "young", as Revan is throughout all of KotOR... Though given Bastila's questions, it's possible that he's had a "new age" programmed into his mind, and thinks that he's younger than he is. All speculation of course - but it works for me. (195.92.168.170 00:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC))

While we can't make that official, it does make all relations with male or female ideals satisfactory. It allows Bastila to be perhaps 24 or so, and Carth in about his mid-thirties.
 * Twenty eight years of age sounds like a perfect age for Revan to be (Thumbs up to former poster ;))


 * Probably early 30's... i guess... couldnt be too old... i mean... Bastila and him hook up. --Peytonio 22:19, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * In a conversation about love with Jolee, he states he's "too young to know what true love is". He's also referred to being a young Jedi Knight, so I'd say he's in his early 20's. Xepeyon 17:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Bastila is about 16 years old when Revan goes to war against the Mandalorians. Since Revan is supposed to be older than Bastila but still a young Jedi Knight, I'd put him at around 23 years old, the same age as Anakin Skywalker when he was a Jedi Knight. This would make him about 30 at the end of the Jedi Civil War. A respectable age.

When does Revan begin wearing his mask?
In every image I've seen (well, except for the one from the advert), Revan wears his well-known mask. But Revan is a human and has no need for a breather, and he was young when he left for the war, so his face is probably not scarred. Besides the mask is quite dark-sided... So when does he actually put the mask on? It is not logical that he wore it from the beginning of his appearence in the Star Wars Universe.
 * First of all, the guy in the advert is NOT definitely Revan (it can be retconned that he was, but I guess the advertisers meant that the guy was actually the player). Second, I guess the mask is Mandalorian, and he get it at least after the Mandalorian Wars, when looking for the star forge. MoffRebus 14:16, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

PS: I reverted your edit concerning this topic in the Mandalorian Wars article. Please actually provide sources for this stuff in the future...-- Sentry &#91;Talk&#93; 09:34, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * We see from KOTOR that he has his full get-up on when he and Malak first find the Star Map on Dantooine, when Malak says that they can never go back to the Jedi afterwards, so we know for a fact that he had it before falling from the Jedi completely. During the Mandalorian Wars is as good a guess as any... probably before Juhani met him, since she didn't recognize him later. -BaronGrackle 15:12, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * In an organization like the idealistic, selfless, serve-the-others-first Jedi Order, I am surprised that there was no gossip around talking about the mask of Revan, while PT Visual Dict spent time to comment that Ani's choice of black outfit was quite extraordinary. Darth Kevinmhk 16:11, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The mask was Mandalore the Ultimate's. But when Revan killed him he took the mask (conveniently) to obscure his face. Jasca Ducato 09:02, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Umm... no, it was't. A least, no source that I have ever seen implies such. In fact, that supposition does not even makes sense as the helmet Candelore uses is clealy stated to be the same one used by Mandalore the Ultimate and Mandalore the Indomitable.
 * Well i won't argue with that because i remember that clearly. But i can assure you it said somewhere in one of the two games that he took Mandalore's mask. If so, they a retcon is needed. I can't provide a source right now because i don't have the games installed at the moment. Jasca Ducato 09:40, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That may be true, but no source says that Revan wore it.-- Sentry &#91;Talk&#93; 09:46, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * In any case, Canderous was present when Revan killed Mandalore, so Revan must have worn the mask already be then. Otherwise Canderous would recognize him. In any case, any possible origin of Revan's mask isn't something that we should state as fact. - Sikon [ Talk ] 09:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think we can deny the mask's origin is Mandalorian. It has the same distinctive T shape on it that the Mandalorians do. Jasca Ducato 17:44, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess that Revan wore the mask after his encounter with the dark side on Malachor V. Maybe some kind of injury was inflicted on him (as it happens when one deals with the dark side of the Force) and he wore it to hide his face and show that he wasn't the same man anymore. I mean, it's just a guess, but since you guys said it's not Mandalore's and he got it during the war, one could easily make that assumption...
 * Erm, no, we cant. Because we all see Revan's face eventually, and of all the possible options the closest one gets to disfiguration is the scar below the eye. Jasca Ducato 17:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe he decided to wear the mask because it put some kind of fear in his enemies, or for mystery; the same reason Boba Fett was never seen without his helmet. It adds a slight intimidation in battle not being able to look into your enemies eyes; seeing no emotion, only a mask.

Doesn't it say that revan kills mandalore? He probably gets it from mandalore when he kills him and then starts wearing it Dark Lord Selven 20:56, 17 July 2006 (UTC) Well if that is Mandalore's mask, perhaps the Council kept the mask after Revan's mind was erased. After killing Malak, he probably got in back and when he left, he my have then given the mask to Canderous. Jedi Striker 16:34, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. But also in KOTOR 2, it says that Revan hid Mandalores mask and so it ended up with Canderous and being that Revan was wearing the mask when the Jedi captured him, it would probably be destroyed (I think it actually says that on the Dark Star Forge robes) --Redemption 21:21, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, except for the fact that it does not look like Mandalore's mask.– 22:44, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Two quotes
I noticed that double opening quotes usually get reduced or reverted to only one quote. Why does this article have two initial quotes? I don't have a problem with either, just asking. - 81.182.81.240 19:11, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Its simpler and better. Jasca Ducato 09:03, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm of the school that an article should have a single introductory quote, potentially with others at the beginning of article sections. Of course, I don't really care about it SO much... -BaronGrackle 02:55, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

Revan Image Part V
Part Five. Anyway, being that there seems to be this dispute over the image everytime I upload one (whoops.) This time, I'm just going to ask for the okay to change the current one to Sentrys. Which is essentially the exact same image just cleaner and sharper. --Redemption 01:48, 6 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Sigh... why cant guys just let it be? Anyway I am fine with the current one and this one. Darth Kevinmhk 02:45, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Technically, it's just me. The current image just drives me insane. --Redemption 02:51, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You're not alone, I find that most caps of Revan aren't really that good, with most characters (Traya, Sion, Nihilus, etc...) it's fine, but Revan is a real pain. I liked the one in Part IV (though people say there's better resolutions of that). I'll search far and wide to see if I see a better one, but I too am irked by Revan's constantly unphotogenic poses. --Sauron18 03:22, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! Why cant you just leave the image alon!?! There's nothing wrong with it. Jasca Ducato 07:38, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * True, but I feel that it could be better. And am currently seeking, I actually have a canidate, but it's only a low res version, so I'm going to ask if someone has a better version of this angle I think that one is better than just a directly frontal shot, since on Revan those look odd. --Sauron18 08:25, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I dont even like the angle, let alone the resolution. Darth Kevinmhk 16:03, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Omg, Bioware should have made a promotional revan picture... this one (i concur with redemption) isn't fine.
 * Honestly, I would just give it up, Redemption. I placed that picture into the Jedi Civil War article, but I don't think anyone will go for it here. I agree that the current pic is terrible, but there are just too many people who seem to be defending every aspect of this article (for no apparent reason). I gave up on trying to improve it months ago because it is just too heavily trafficked... -- Sentry &#91;Talk&#93; 23:35, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * If all else fails, shield this article DAWUSS 23:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunatly, I'm way too stubborn (fifth time trying to get this image changed). And Bioware did release a promotional image. It's above. Nobody went for it though. --Redemption 03:07, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm going to continue searching far and wide for the perfect Revan image, and until we get some decently sized and descriptive artwork, or a good position, I will continue. I won't however discuss unless I (or someone) finds one. --Sauron18 03:32, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I posted the promo image again just in case anyone is feeling lazy. Alright...being that Sentry's image and the current one are almost identical, I'm changing (if nobody can come up with a reason why Sentry's can't be the new one...) Okay then. I assume that nobody has any problems with Sentry's image? That it is an improved version of the current one and that it may be used? --Redemption 02:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see any improvement, but as you said, it's almost identical, so ya, I don't mind you change it, just hope this is the last time. Darth Kevinmhk 02:57, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. NOW there is nothing wrong with the image. Fade (original uploader) just had a crappy video card which made the screenshot come out dark and just plain bad. Either that or he modified it that way. --Redemption 01:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)

Jar'kai/Saber colors
Would it be wise/possible to assume that since he's a Jar'Kai practitioner that he'd dual weild Heart of the Guardian and Mantle of the Force together after the events of KotoR? Leoroc 06:04, 16 July 2006 (UTC) I would think that Lightside ending would basically be "best possible ending achievable in the game" which would mean the main quest + all side quests + best gear. Which would basically mean a light side Revan would end up with the two best sabers if he dual weilds and the Star Forge robes (which if they showed him again as light side, he'd probably be wearing with the hood up and a white mask I'd bet). Maybe an article for each crystal then with a background note that Revan was the most likely acquirer after Suvam recovered them from Yavin IV? (nvm it's been done) Leoroc 06:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it wouldn't. Where is it said he's a Jar'kai practitioner in the first place? Did I miss something? This lightsaber forms speculation drives me mad. - Sikon [ Talk ] 06:30, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Let me try to explain. The combat style BTS section states that both KOTOR 1 & 2 are C-canon. In 1 he used single blade, while in 2 he appeared to use dual blades. Yet Sora Bulq used single blade in AOTC and dual blades in EU, while Anakin in AOTC plus Obi-Wan in Hate and Fear could use dual blades. Therefore it is possible for a dual blades user to use a single blade occassionally, and vice versa. Bottom line: we simply still don't know his true form. Darth Kevinmhk 15:37, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Right, but I think he's asking, since it is canon that Revan wielded two lightsabers at some point, if it is possible to assume that Revan would have used the two most powerful crystals available to him in the Star Forge Quest (i.e. Heart of the Guardian and Mantle of the Force). -BaronGrackle 16:07, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not right to assume anything. We don't know his style, we don't know whether the canon Revan got any of those crystals. We simply don't know many things (and I doubt his status as Dueling Champion was canon). What we are sure is Male and Lightside Ending, that's all. Darth Kevinmhk 16:12, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * This assumption is stretched so far, I'm afraid it's really just wishful thinking. - Sikon [ Talk ] 19:10, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Regardless, these all are speculation only. Darth Kevinmhk 14:06, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * But if you play the game revan is the master of all forms
 * The game says nothing about forms at all. - Sikon (Vacation) 10:14, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Spoiler tag
I remember arguing for using spoiler tags in case of this article. I would like to restart this debate and try to convince people that Revan indeed needs a spoiler warning. First of all, I could imagine that a rookie KotOR player would like to know some background info about a thought-to-be dead Sith Lord, say because he thinks he did not get something from the in-game explanations. If such exists, which I have the right to assume because KotOR uses a language that is hard to understand for non-advanced speakers of English, he would like to find a factual source to ameliorate this misunderstanding, and the big "spoiler" gets revealed in like the opening quote. I propose some articles like Chewbacca, Vector Prime, KotOR, and Revan to still have spoiler tags. If nothing else, we could do something like "This article contains major spoilers for xxx". - TopAce 11:08, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Basically, I agree with you. Why don't you take this to Senate Hall / Consensus track? Darth Kevinmhk 12:42, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Parallel between Revan and Thrawn?

 * Should this be added into BTS too? Both Revan and Thrawn appeared as a bad guy conquering the galaxy in their first appearances (KOTOR & Thrawn Trilogy), while their sequels (KOTOR2 & Hand of Thrawn Duology), which they did not appear in, explained both of them as noble warriors who conquered the galaxy for the greater good. Darth Kevinmhk 03:40, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Is the fact that Revan wanted to conquer the galaxy for a greater good canon? As far as I know these are just speculations made by Mical in KotOR 2. Not that I disagree with this though, on the contrary...Petiflo 09:40, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * At the end of the game, Kreia reveals that Revan did conquer the galaxy to protect it from the "True Sith", whoever they are. MPK 16:54, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * As did G0-T0 when he said that Revan sought to protect the infrastructure of the republic by sparing certain bases in the galaxy. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 21:29, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Also mentioned in the NEC, iirc. Charlii 11:02, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Lightsaber color not very clear?
"the canonical color is blue, as shown in the comic Shadows and Light during Duron Qel-Droma's vision. This color likely corresponds to the powerful Mantle of the Force crystal Revan obtains during his quest for the Star Forge. This crystal produces a cyan blade."

First it says that it canonically is blue, and one sentence later says that it "corresponds" to an in-game crystal that makes a cyan blade. So which is it? MPK 13:27, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a little too much speculation to me, but it depends how you obtain the crystal in the game and how it is described. It was a long time since I played it. Charlii 14:03, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Duron Qel-Droma's vision, if it's indeed 100% correct and accurate, then Revan has a blue blade during the battle of Rataka Prime. Revan using Mantle of the Force was possible but nonetheless speculation... although it is possible that the artist of the comic wanna correspond the stuff, but it was uncofirmed. I suggest we remove the Mantle sentence, and add a note that Qel-Droma's vision just might be wrong. Darth Kevinmhk 14:56, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No one really knows what class Revan actually is, whether he is a consular, sentinel, or guardian. I think he's more suited as a sentinel, since they have equal training in lightsaber combat and the force, which is what he's like.  But he couold be a guardian with greater training in the force than usual or a consular with exceptional lightsaber training... who knows?  But, the cyan color is canonically (i believe) because of the Mantle of the Force crystal in the lightsaber. --Peytonio 22:22, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Soldier
The article says Revan was assigned to the Endar Spire as a "common soldier." This suggests that Revan's pre-Jedi character class is CANONICALLY soldier. Where was it set? - TopAce 15:53, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright, let's change it to a "common Republic military officier". Darth Kevinmhk 16:24, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I wasn't proposing to change it, I only enquired it. If there is information that somehow draws Revan closer to soldier than a scout or a scoundrel, it should remain. Whoever added this had a good reason to believe that Revan was a soldier. His Jedi character class was Jedi Guardian, as all computer game Jedi protagonist characters end up being a "masterful combatant." So soldier has the highest possibility when dealing with LucasArts characters. I hope I put it in an understandable way, you know, if your brain is faster than your keyboard you may end up with something awful. - TopAce 16:34, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * All jedi are exceptionally gifted with the lightsaber... it's just consulars rarely use them, guardians practically marry their lightsabers, and sentinels equally distribute their force abilities and their combat. Plus, Yoda is a consular... but, as we've seen, he's a pretty freaking excellent lightsaber duelest... i mean... the only other jedi who could beat him would probably be Luke in his time as the Grand Master (long after the events of the movies).  Revan could just as easily be any class. --Peytonio 22:25, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I doubt the original contributer intended to imply Revan was a soldier class, he/she might just forgot the term soldier could be misleading in Revan's article. Anyway, Yoda and Sidious were both the wizard type, yet when situation required they could be as crazily powerful with a blade as Guardian type. Given how limit the reference on the "canonical" Revan is, I doubt there is a real source which specificly define the case. Given how all-round powerful & resourceful Revan was, he might just be any class. Darth Kevinmhk 16:42, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * True, kind of proves why terms like Jedi Guardian and Jedi Consular are misleading, especially if we try to jacktapose the movies and RPG.
 * Well, it's weird. Revan is commonly called a "soldier" in the actual game, regardless of what his starting class was. He can introduce himself to Suvam Tan as a soldier for the Republic. When speaking with Bastila about his past (I think) she explains that the Jedi Council gave him the identity of a soldier. Regardless of class, though, Revan WAS technically a soldier (either from the top of his class, or as a smuggler hired on, or as a scout hired on). I don't think there's any irrefutable proof that his manufactured background was that of the soldier class (though it would make the most sense), and there is certainly no indication of what his Jedi class was, unless there's something in the comics I don't know about. -BaronGrackle 21:12, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Possible juyo?
In the kotor dream of revan you can clearly see he has the tsance of juyo could he know that as well as formX ?
 * He could, but considering how versatile he was, it's possible he knew a lot of lightsaber forms and maneuvers. On a side note, please sign your comment using four ~s and punctuate. Using periodicals and capitals help people understand what you want to say. Thanks. - TopAce 16:42, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Who got this image
?

Would any one know how to get the "female" revan faces or the Exile faces?

Master Nikolce 07:13, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Female Revan isn't canon, and this site will only accept mostly canon material... you could put a section in there and separate it with the template stating the non-canon material, but that will probably be the only way to get them on. --Peytonio 22:28, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That'd be me. I suppose I could wip up a female Revan portrait selection. I don't know where you expect to put it though. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 23:22, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Romances
I've played Knights of the Old Republic over a hundred times, and I played every possible combination of gender, alignment and party members. That being said, I have found that Juhani is not a potential romance for a male Revan, at least in the romantic sense. Juhani's dialogue is very different for a male Revan than it is for a female Revan.

Best example is at the temple of the Ancients on Rakata Prime. This is Juhani's dialogue to a male Revan.

"This may be the last time I will have a chance to talk to you...I just want to thank you for all that you have done for me. For saving me from the dark side, for accepting me on your journey.I will help you in any way I can.It is good to know that I have been of some value...I will prove my true worth to you.We WILL defeat Malak and save the Republic from the Sith threat once and for all!I... defer to your wisdom in this matter. I have little knowledge of the true power of the Sith.I pledge my life to your cause. I will stand by you until the end."

And to a female Revan.

"I have never said this before...I... I... I care for you. I do not know why. I do not know if anything will be possible or if you even return what I feel, but I do know it is there.I am sorry if this upsets you. I am so sorry if I am wrong, but I cannot deny what it is that I feel.I was afraid that I would have no more time to say it... I wonder if all of us wil survive what we must do...I... I understand. You have someone somewhere... or I just do not seem to appeal to you.I am sorry for pushing myself on you. I apologize for my actions.I suggest we find and confront Malak as soon as possible to remove the threat to the Republic once and for all.Now that I have put myself in this position, I know not what to say.Yes. I thank you.But as much as I may care for you, and you for me, first we must deal with Malak.After there will be time to sort things out between us.Yes. I thank you."

Very different. There are more differences during Juhani's dialogue tree as well. Juhani asks more about a female Revan's feelings than she does for a male Revan.

So, in conclusion, even if Juhani does love a male Revan, she never says so, so Juhani being a romance option to a male Revan can not be proven.Hitokiri Akins Which gender did you use? I've listened to Juhani's dialogue, and every possible romance option is flagged for a FEMALE. That's how the game is programmed; Juhani does not show the same interest in a male Revan that she shows to a female Revan.Hitokiri Akins
 * Well i just romanced Juhani. So your entrie message is now worthless. Jasca Ducato Sith Council (Sith campaign)[[Image:SOFD.PNG|20px]] 08:21, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow Jasca Ducato, I wish I was capable of expressing my self with such tact. Thanks for giving the new users such a warm welcome. – 08:34, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * "Well i just romanced Juhani."
 * male and female. For female it's easy; but for male. You need inumerable amounts of influence with juhani for it to work. Jasca Ducato Sith Council (Sith campaign)[[Image:SOFD.PNG|20px]] 13:52, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * ... and I was led to believe there wasn't any sort of influence in K1. Anyway, was it done without the use of a mod? DAWUSS 13:59, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the newest copies of the Xbox and PC versions, getting a male romance option is not possible. Those bugs have been fixed.  So yes Jasca, in the original printing of KOTOR, male Revan romancing Juhani is possible, but not since the bug was fixed in the more recent printing of the games.  And since a male Revan being able to romance Juhani was in fact a bug, it isn't possible with normal means.Hitokiri Akins 16:40, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * If it's a bug, then it's not supposed to be canon. - TopAce 16:58, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean influence. I was typing fast because i had to get of the computer. I meant whatever option youu are given to reveal your characters back stories. It may have been a bug, but i romanced her nonetheless so i don't care. Jasca Ducato Sith Council (Sith campaign)[[Image:SOFD.PNG|20px]] 19:27, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, tomorrow, I'm going to edit the non-canon romance section of this for Juhani. I'll add something to the effect that a male romance with Juhani is only available to a male in the original printing of the game, via a bug that was fixed in subsiquent printings.  Sound good?Hitokiri Akins 16:41, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Comparing Wikipedia and Wookiepdia
Can i ask, does wookiepedia cover the "Revan as Master Planner" paragraph on wikipedia's article of Revan?

Does wookie, also cover the "Later appearance" part as well?

Master Nikolce 02:00, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh... no offense, but why don't you just compare the articles yourself?– 05:41, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

i did, i'm just not sure if it was covered?

[[User:Master Nikolce|Master}

Nikolce]] 06:42, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, all of the the information from the Revan as Master Planner section is covered, but we have done a better job of integrating it into the body of the text.– 06:51, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

New Revan Sketch by Brian Ching
Hey, Brian Ching recently posted this amazing sketch of Revan in his blog:

I was thinking it was main Image material, but what do you think? Or at least in the article somewhere?--Sauron18 22:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC) I really love what you guys are doing with the series and was wondering if well see anymore cameos from the KOTOR video game characters? His reply was: ''Yes, and it'll be more than just cameos. Stay tuned...'' – 22:59, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Until Brian Ching actually draws Revan in a comic, I think this can only be considered fan-art for now. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 22:33, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Sweet pic! It is nice to know that he is practicing up on Revan. It probably means that we will be seeing him soon :)  22:41, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Nah. I think he said that it was a request for a fan or someone. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 22:42, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * John Jackson Miller actually recently said that Revan and Malak will probably be seen pretty soon. I think it was on the Dark Horse forums&hellip; – 22:50, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, his statement was more vague than I remembered it. A fan asked:
 * With all the speculation about if Zayne is Nihilus or Sion or who is who, I wouldn't be surprised (in which I subscribe to the Zayne is Sion theory) -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 01:33, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I think Ching has had something with Revan for a while now, I remember thinking Obi Wan's helmet in "Obsession" looked a lot like Revan's. I dunno, I'd consider it official simply because it's an "official" artist, but I dunno. --Sauron18 23:02, 9 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Even though this is cool art, I'd stick with the one we have now. It's in color, and is clearer. - Angel Blue 451 21:48, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Nerdgasm! :D Not to go all McDonalds on everyone, but "I'm lovin' it"! :D And to think I was slowly forgetting my Revan fanboyism...(Ulicus 13:19, 14 September 2006 (UTC))
 * I'd consider it fanart, given that he doesn't actually mention that this picture (or any picture of Revan, for that matter) will appear in the comic. - Sikon 14:45, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with Sikon. As much as I'd like to stick in the article (due to its sheer awesomeness), I don't think we can... unless we invented a section called "Bring Ching's drawing of Revan" haha. I suppose it would be possible to stick it in "Behind the Scenes" but... nah, I'd just say leave it out for now. (Ulicus 10:50, 15 September 2006 (UTC))

The "Revan against Malak" subtitle
This subtitle has never really seemed to gel particularly well with the rest of the article (I can't put my finger on as to why), so could we have some suggestions for an alternative? I'd go for:

Knight of the Old Republic


 * 1) That pretty much covers Revan's progression from Republic soldier to Jedi Knight during this period (I think we could all agree that he is "re-knighted" after defeating Malak right?), and sums up what he now stands for.
 * 2) It references the game and that tickles me

Anyway, that's just my thought, any other suggestions?(Ulicus 11:09, 15 September 2006 (UTC))
 * Oh yeah, if I'm in the minority, please feel free to slap me down :) You might all love the current subtitle.(Ulicus 11:12, 15 September 2006 (UTC))
 * I agree. The 'Revan vs. Malak' heading reminds me of an old B-movie subtitle.– 21:05, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It tickles me too, Ulicus. :-) -BaronGrackle 01:02, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Okie doke, so, uh, are we going to go with "Knight of the Old Republic", or the "Master versus Apprentice" title that has suddenly cropped up without discussion? Does anyone have a better proposal? I mean, sure, I like mine, but I don't want to come across as wikifacist ;) (Ulicus 23:55, 17 September 2006 (UTC))
 * That section does cover the entire game, even before the mindwiped Revan realizes that Malak is his rival. Just so you don't appear totalitarian, I'll edit it to "Knight of the Old Republic", and we'll see if it spawns any negative reaction. -BaronGrackle 01:03, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't like this "Knight of the Old Republic" title. I think the "Master versus Apprentice" title represent greatly the feel of that section. Jasca Ducato 08:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

Jedi Robe
In the game, was Revan the only Jedi who wore a long robe, casue everyone else had a jedi robe that were short.

Would this mean, Revan was the first Jedi to wear and introduce the long Jedi robe?

Master Nikolce 23:49, 17 September 2006 (UTC)


 * No, there are Jedi with long robes before the events of these games. Tott Doneeta, for example.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|20px]] 04:38, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Naming Revan
I don't know whether or not this should be included in the article, but don't you have the choice to name Revan something other than Revan? Yes, Revan is the "all-holy canon" name, but I was wondering if he is still referred to as the name you chose in the game once you find out he was Revan. (I haven't played it to find out, unfortunately) Isn't this worth including, maybe as a sentence somewhere? Gotoisevil
 * The name you assign your character is the false, mind-wiped name that the Council assigned Revan. Technically, you are NEVER referred to by that name when anyone speaking Basic talks to you, since the game couldn't possibly know what name you would type in (which is why none of the characters were able to call me "Guybrush Threepwood, mighty scoundrel!"). After discovering your identity as Revan, there are times when you have the option in dialogue to say things like, "I'm not Revan anymore; my name is PLAYERNAME!" but every source coming after KOTOR seems to indicate that he never abandoned his identity as Revan. It would be too awkward to have him suddenly embrace his new identity, without canonizing exactly what that identity was. -BaronGrackle 23:08, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, games can remember the names. Its just that they're not going to have the voice actors recite every name that a player could possibly choose.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 23:18, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Right, that's what I meant to say. It's all about the voice actors, not the game memory. -BaronGrackle 16:02, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I was just wondering about that.Gotoisevil

Darth Revans Holocron
In light of the new information about Revan that has been presented through Darth Bane Path of Destruction I think we should add some things to the article mainly his Holocron and a few quotes from Revan himself I selected a few that looked worth putting in:

"I am Darth Revan, Dark Lord of the Sith."

"Those who use the dark side are also bound to serve it. To understand this is to understand the underlying philosophy of the Sith."

"The Dark Side offers power for power's sake. You must crave it. Covet it. You must seek power above all else, with no reservation or hesitation."

"The Force will change you. It will transform you. Some fear this change."

"There can be no compromise. Mercy, compassion, loyalty: all these things will prevent you from claiming what is rightfully yours."

"THose who follow the dark side must cast aside these conceits. Those who do not - Those who try to walk the path of moderation -- will fail, dragged down by their own weakness."

"The strong must be careful lest they be overwhelmed by the ambitions of those working beneth them in concert."

"Those who accept the power of the dark side must also accept the challenge of holding on to it."

"By its very nature the dark side invites rivalry and strife. This is the greatest strength of the Sith: it culls the weak from our order."

"Any master who instucts more then one apperntice in the ways of the dark side is a fool. In time the apprentices will untie their strenght and overthrow the master. It is inevitable. Axiomatic. That is why each master must have only one student."

"The Sith must be ruled by a single leader: the very embodiment of the strenght and power of the Dark Side. If the leader grows weak anther must rise to seize the mantle."

"The strong rule; the weak are meant to serve. This is the way it must be."

We should include a few of these and if not a Rule of One section that Revan started and Darth Krayt follwed.AcStyles 16:52, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think this justifies a Revan quote page. -  Angel Blue 451 (Holonet)[[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] 16:54, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. We shouldn't leave this out. Xepeyon 17:36, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is room for all of them to be used effectively on the main Revan page, but it definitely justifies a quote page. -  Angel Blue 451 (Holonet)[[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] 17:40, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm definitely going to look into finding a way to incorporate some of these quotes, since they rocked. The Revan sections of PoD were awesome. (128.243.220.21 09:22, 3 October 2006 (UTC))
 * I added it to the Darth Revan's holocron page, so maybe we should just include a See Also section that points to there. GMo 20:27, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

Lightsaber color
Okay, now under the Lightsaber Blade Color section, it says Revan's canonical blade color is blue from that vision. I looked at the vision picture, and yes, his blade is blue, but I noticed something else. It seems that everything in the picture is blue. I have two possible reasons for this: 1. Revan's lightsaber is illuminating everything in the picture, or 2. The entire vision is blue. If #2 is correct, then Revan's lightsaber could be any range of colors. I was wondering if there are any other pictures of similar visions that could prove whether or not this vision truly revealed his lightsaber color.Gotoisevil 20:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. Everything in that part of the comic panel is tinted blue. We cannot definitively state that Revan's saber was blue based solely on that image.– 20:50, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I also agree. -  Angel Blue 451 (Holonet)[[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] 02:19, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I just wanted to clear that upGotoisevil

Mullet dude and lightsaber
Revans true face is the one all the way on the left, four down. he wields a double bladed green lights saber. quit putting down Revan with his stupid quere dark jedi robes, it is not cannonical, so start putiing other pictures up of him in cool outfits.
 * Care to explain your basis that the "mullet dude" is canon? And that he wields a green double bladed lightsaber? AND that his dark robes aren't canon? -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 01:00, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No canonical picture of an unmasked Revan has been set, nor is one likely to be. Which version you, or any other fan, thinks is "coolest" is irrelevant.  We do know that Revan wore that particular outfit, including mask, while he led the Sith, however: that picture comes from a flashback to events which occured before the game began. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 01:45, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * In fact, I think it's pretty much certain that Revan does NOT wield a double-bladed lightsaber. What with all the flashbacks and visions, he always has only one or two of the standard type. :-) -BaronGrackle 00:55, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't be silly, everyone knows Revan was the guy with the scar. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) [[Image:Sithempire2.jpg|20px]] 12:59, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you mean the guy with the screwed up ear and buzz cut, he looks gay.

What is the most powerful weapon in the game?
Does anyone know what the most powerful weapon in the game is?
 * Depending on the upgrade crystals, it's probably a lightsaber. Please note that this is not a general purpose message board: questions like this are best kept on GameFAQs or something like that.  Thanks, &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 01:28, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Full Jedi at the end?
I just looked at the trials to a become a full Jedi Knight, and Revan's experiences were used as examples. Does this imply he became a full Jedi Knight at the end? -Jedi Striker, 4:04, 01 October 2006 (UTC) Darth Bane: Path of Destruction actually refers to Revan as being a "redeemed Jedi master" at the time he faught Darth Malak on the Star Forge, which I found to be an interesting choice of words... (Ulicus 12:50, 4 October 2006 (UTC))
 * Revan was a full Jedi Knight throughout the enitre story. he just didn't know it, he was called "the Padawan" because if he was called a Jedi Knight he could've got suspicious. Jasca Ducato Sith Council (Sith campaign) 08:57, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * And at the end?? The end of what, Revan's story isn't finsihed yet, and Jedi always have that darkness within them he could make a full turn about. Speculation in anycase. And yep he was always a Jedi he just needed to rediscover it. Jedi Dude 09:45, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I highly doubt becoming a full Knight would've made Revan suspicious. And the end of KOTOR I was what I was refering to.  It seems to me the Council still kept Revan's Knight trials going on when he went to destroy the Star Forge, cuz his his last trials weren't complete until he faced Basitla and Malak.  Besides, Vandar called Revan the "prodigal Knight," so he must've been promoted before he was awarded by the Republic. Jedi Striker 16:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Erm, no. He was a Jedi knight when he left for the Mandalorian Wars. He had already undergone all the trials and tests that he had been given and been promoted. The point is that, after his memory was wiped, he was told he was a Jedi Padawan because if he was automatically given the rank of Jedi Knight then he would've certainly gotton suspicious about being promoted. It would've likely stirred up suppressed memories. Jasca Ducato Sith Council (Sith campaign) 08:46, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Probably be retconned that he was promoted or something naff lol. Jasca Ducato Sith Council (Sith campaign) 18:06, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

In Chapter 21 of the book about Darth Bane, it states that Revan was a Jedi Master during his final battle with Malak.

Tacticion
Isn't Revan one of the most praised military tacticions of the era? It says that he was a good militray commander, but I always got the picture that Revan was the best general of his time.
 * Yeah him and the Mandalore of the current time, they would most likely be the best at that time

Legacy of a Dark Lord aka Revan's training of Darth Bane expanded
Pretty self explanatory. I think the holocron business deserved its own category, since it's not really anything to do with Revan being "in the unknown" and it's all about his legacy to the Sith. (Uh, does this mean we need a big spoiler tag right at the top of the page? Or will the ones I put around the subsection do?) I think I wrote the stuff ok, but there might be better ways of wording some of it. (Ulicus 10:27, 4 October 2006 (UTC))
 * That section looks great. Nice work!– 20:11, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Connection between Revan and Palpy?
Is there a connection between both of the two Sith Masters? Well, I can think of a few. Both of them preferred subtle elements of authority unlike their apprentices (Revan did not prefer agression while Malak did ((destruction of Telos and Taris)), Palpatine wanted to subtly destroy the Jedi although he was revealed in Ep III while Vader ordered attacks on Hoth, Yavin, and Alderann.), both were "Emperors" until betrayed by their apprentice, both were extremely corrupted (although Revan was redeemed after being captured), and both of them were not revealed as Sith until their actions became obvious (Revan's return with a limitless armada, Palpy was revealed after Greivous' and Dooku's deaths). But are these connections enough?-Darth Shadow3000 23:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

uh, darth vader didn't order the attack on alderaan or yavin. grand moff tarkin ordered the attack on alderaan, and the battle of yavin was an offense that the rebellion took against the empire. i'm not sure about hoth, but i doubt vader commanded that either. point is, darth vader didn't order any large scale military attacks, he attacked individual jedi, and individual soldiers who crossed him. if anything, darth vader had more in common with darth bandon and darth revan than darth malak. revan was like a mix of palpatine and vader, in that he lead an assault on the republic, and worked in secret, but was later redeemed --DarthSadis 02:46, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Quote

 * I'm probably wrong, but I swear the quote was "you have gone blah blah blah" not "he will have gone blah blah blah". Again, I could easily be wrong. Thanks. Chack Jadson 01:34, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No, you're right. It should be written as: "[He] will have gone" to indicate the change. - (128.243.220.41 13:39, 6 October 2006 (UTC)) Ulicus, not signed in (d'oh)
 * Oh, it's been changed back anyway. Whatever. Personally I'd advocate getting rid of that quote entirely, since having two at the top just looks stupid to be frank. (128.243.220.41 13:43, 6 October 2006 (UTC)) Ulicus, still not signed in (double d'oh)

Revan's name
Is it possible that Revan, like Palpatine and Dooku has no first name and is only recognized by his surname? So far, Palpy and Dooku have no canon first name, just their surname. Is Revan also recognized like that? Darth Shadow3000 22:44, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No one can answer that question because we don't have enought information about Revan's early history yet.– 22:48, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it is more likely that Revan was his *only* name. If he had a last name (or if Revan was his last name), you can bet it would have been mentioned during KotOR I or II. Hell, for all we know, Revan could have been a name he invented for himself (just one he took for himself whilst still a Jedi), or a name Kreia gave him or something. After all, his origins are supposedly completely mysterious. They wouldn't be that mysterious if the Jedi knew who his parents were (and therefore his true name) and where he came from. Yeah, I'd just go with Revan being his one and only name. Like Madonna :P. The same could be said for Malak. Though my own personal fanon is that Malak is a former Outcast of Taris and the brother of Malya (Rukil's apprentice). ;) (Ulicus 23:54, 6 October 2006 (UTC))
 * Uh, but yeah, Sentry's right. No one CAN answer that question... I'll just be damned if I don't try anyway :D (Ulicus 23:55, 6 October 2006 (UTC))

resiliance to the dark side
I remember in kotor 2 Kreia said something about Revan not falling to the dark side, but choosing to become the dark lord to save the galaxy... maybe that should be included
 * That already is included:

''Revan discovered the continued existence of the True Sith, long thought vanished, and the threat that they still presented to the galaxy. '''He came to the conclusion that the Republic as it stood was ill-equipped to defend the galaxy from such a potent enemy and, as such, a new government would need to rise in its place, an empire founded upon the Sith teachings. He would attempt to save the galaxy through conquest.' In that black moment, Revan fully abandoned the teachings of the Jedi, adopting the title of Dark Lord of the Sith and becoming Darth Revan.

To interpret Kreia's words in such a way to mean that Revan "was never really dark sided" is wrong. Revan was a dark sider. In many ways, Kreia is arguing over semantics. It doesn't really matter if Revan turned to the dark side via falling or sacrifice. Either way, he turned to the dark side. And either way he led his BRUTAL Sith followers to war against the Republic and the Jedi. The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. Revan discovered this, as did Anakin and as is Jacen.(Ulicus 13:41, 9 October 2006 (UTC))


 * Hmm, I meant the total corruption of the mind that the dark side brings. He wasn't mentally consumed like most those who follow the dark side.
 * Wasn't he? He brought death and terror to the galaxy because that's how he always was? Kreia never says that Revan wasn't changed by the dark side, just that he knew what he was doing when he chose to *sacrifice himself to the dark side*. If nothing changed, how would it have been a sacrifice?


 * True, he had foresight in his conquest and planned ahead better than Malak - but that hardly makes him "less dark side" than Malak. Sidious certainly planned ahead, and you don't see people arguing that he hadn't been consumed by the dark side. The only thing that mentions that Revan ISN'T consumed are the Chronicles of the Old Republic, and in that context they seem to be talking about a *literal* consumption by the Sith energies of Malachor V. Your original request implies that you want us to say that Revan never really joined the dark side and was only being the Dark Lord for the good of the galaxy.


 * That's just not correct. That's how he started out, but he *was* corrupted. It's inevitable. You can't not be corrupted by the dark side. You'll notice that Kriea ALSO says that she doesn't believe that the Jedi Council 'changed' Revan, only that they allowed his "true self" to *return*. If he'd never changed from his true self whilst under the dark side's influence, how would he have been able to 'return'? (Ulicus 13:13, 10 October 2006 (UTC))
 * Having said all that, I'm remembering Kreia saying something along the lines of, "It wasn't this or this or this, it was him" in reference to Revan. Hmmm... even so, I think there's too much evidence to say that Revan could actually full on resist the dark side. I'm going to have to find the quote at some point. I'm too busy to do so right now however. (Ulicus 13:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC))


 * Revan didn't go out of the way to completly wipe out innocent people; like Malak did on Taris and Telos. He let his resolve keep him in check. I don't think I'm argueing on whether or not he was mentally consumed by the Dark Side, just that it was at a degree less than that of most other Sith. Take Darth Nihilus for example. Totally insane. Darth Vectivus is another example of a Sith Lord who maintained a good mental condition. Now he did do some pretty bad things to his advesaries, the Jedi, and was pretty harsh on his own people, but as far as going out of the way to commit horrible atrocities on innocent planets, I don't think there is an example.
 * Malak didn't go "out of his way" to wipe out innocent people. He was just perfectly happy to when the alternative would have taken longer. Forgive me if I appear to be a little ranty here, but I honestly don't know what you're arguing any more. First you're suggesting that we should make note that Revan "never fell to the dark side", then that he "wasn't as mentally consumed" as other dark lords and therefore "not as insane", or whatever. Well, we already have *plenty* of references throughout the article that Revan was a brilliant tactician with pretty great foresight when it came to the way he conquered the galaxy. However, despite the 'revelations' of KotOR 2, KotOR 1 remains canon - and that establishes that Revan had been conquering the Outer Rim in a *BLOODY* fashion, and that Revan was *quite happy* to kill innocents so as to further unite people beneath his banner - remember the Kashyyyk computer? Darth Revan was a complete and utter b*stard. All KotOR 2 gives us is the "he originally had good intentions" line. Well, wonderful, so did Darth Vader - he wanted to save his wife from death and ended up killing her. Revan wanted to save the galaxy from the Sith and ended up becoming a Sith. At the end of the day, how can you argue that he WASN'T completely messed up in the head by the dark side? He wants to protect the galaxy from the Sith by... ruling them as a Sith Lord? There is a serious fly in that logic ointment. Whilst he prepared for defeat, by ensuring that his attacks would work in such a way to leave the Republic a stronger, more capable fighting force, he didn't go in *expecting* defeat. He went in expecting to conquer the Republic and establish himself as tyrant of the galaxy. Darth Revan was evil. (Ulicus 13:37, 11 October 2006 (UTC))


 * Malak didn't have to completly annihilate Taris to stop the Ebon Hawk, I would consider that going out of his way to kill innocents... Alright, you know what, now your just taking me out of context. This isnt going anywhere, lets end it.
 * I'm not trying to be a penis, dude, I just can't see what you're arguing :). The first point you made was already featured in the article, then you just asked about mental corruption and... Ah well, whatever, if you're happy leaving it, then ok - but I don't want to have driven you away unsatisfied. Why don't you sign up by the way? It always helps to have a name. (Ulicus 18:11, 20 October 2006 (UTC))

Quote
"Revan had many masters, Zhar, Dorak, Master Kae before Kae left for the Wars. Towards the end of his training, he sought out many to learn techniques. It is said that he returned to his first master at the end of his training, in order to learn how he might best leave the order."

- Mical

Does anyone else think that this quote would fit nicely in the "Jedi training" section?– 23:21, 9 October 2006 (UTC) "At one time, Revan was my Padawan. In times past, long ago. But Revan, when he had learned all he could, had other masters... that fool Zhar, and other Jedi on other planets. He learned from each."
 * Definately. While the other quote is good, this one adds elements of his path to falling to the dark side, as a culmination of his training. -BaronGrackle 02:52, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yup, whilst the other quote works, that works better. I say make the change.(Ulicus 13:17, 10 October 2006 (UTC))
 * Alright, I will replace the old quote:

- Kreia

With this new one.– 20:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Head quote
Let's remove the "Heart of the Force" quote. It's pure hyperbole, plus we should only have one head quote. --Imp 12:03, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that we should have one headquote. I'm not entirely certain that it shouldn't be Kreia's however, hyperbole or not. Where's the proof that it's exaggerated? ;) Certainly, one would think it was just a way of getting across how strong Revan was in the Force, but it IS a very clear way of getting it across. I don't think anyone actually mistakes it as saying that Revan IS the heart of the Force, or is "Skywalker strong" or something ridiculous. Ah well, I'm not too bothered, but I'd like a better quote than Bastila's... it's just so, well, boring. :)(Ulicus 13:54, 20 October 2006 (UTC))

Introduction
Please state what changes you wish to make here, Jasca. =) --Imp 19:30, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I just think the intro should be brief. When i first read that i felt like it made the rest of the article void. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith campaign) 19:34, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well the point of the introduction is to summarize the article. I can try and shorten it though. =) --Imp 19:35, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * If you wouldn't mind. It just seems a little too long, the contents is ok, just not the length lol. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith campaign) 19:37, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * An introduction should be exactly that, an introduction. Right now it's the entire article condensed into 1 paragraph. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 19:41, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * True. I guess I got a little carried away. I'll rewrite it in 1 hour or so. --Imp 12:57, 17 October 2006 (PDT)
 * Better? --Imp
 * A very long time ago, I tried to change the intro to this:

At the time, everyone kept reverting it, saying I was giving away spoilers or something. I am just happy it was rewritten. The old intro was horrible.– 00:13, 18 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The current introduction is undoubtedly better than the old, but I think Sentry's is better still (though perhaps some sort of amalgamation of both would be even greater). As it stands it feels a bit too long, and seems to go into too much detail... though perhaps I'm just going crazy in my old age. (Ulicus 18:06, 20 October 2006 (UTC))
 * Concerning length, I have always been under the impression that the introduction should be long enough to fill out the Main Page Featured Article template&mdash;just like on Wikipedia. I agree Sentry's intro is good, but before we insert it, let's add something about Revan's motivation, and remove the "corrupted" part (which is POV). --Imp 17:02, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Ok, how about...

Or something along those lines? I kinda want to keep the stuff on his military ability in there still, but then it might be too long:-

I think the way I've mashed the "ImpSentry" stuff together might have made some sentences make less grammatical sense... Ah well, decide what you will people. (Ulicus 18:10, 21 October 2006 (UTC))

Heritage
Do you think that Revan actually hails from a Mandalorian planet? Judging from his mask and arm armor, it seems possible to me. What do you think? Jedi Wolf 7:59, 18 October 2006 (UTC) Too bad. It would've sounded cool as Revan of Clan Shogun, or something like that. Jedi Wolf 12:42, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Talk pages are not meant for idle chit-chat.– 02:12, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry. I just wanted to check and ask anybody if it's canonically possible, so that I may add it in. Jedi Wolf 4:51, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Possible? Yes. Probable? No. I would leave it out. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 20:58, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * We have no idea about Revan’s heritage, though I personally feel that people make too much of Revan's mask "looking mandalorian". It doesn't even have the 'T' visor (though for some reason, the OS drew one on for the Revan blog avatar).


 * (Moment of guilty idle chit chat - Sorry Sentry :P) My favourite (and very, very fanon) idea currently is that Revan is (unknown to even himself) the love child of Ulic Qel-Droma and Nomi Sunrider, conceived on Rhen Var (which is almost an anagram of Revan… curse that “h” and extra “r”)... (how many brackets?)


 * I like this because:


 * 1) It ties the main protagonists of TotJ and KotOR together
 * 2) It gives Jolee’s “you remind me of Nomi” statement more significance
 * 3) It makes Revan’s canonical acquisition and donning of the Qel-Droma robes all the more fitting
 * 4) It would make Revan around twenty-nine at the time of KotOR. Young enough to be “young” and old enough to be the experienced Jedi Knight/Dark Lord that he was.


 * Problems with this are:


 * 1) When was the conception? I don’t think Nomi and Ulic actually have enough time to get it on.
 * 2) It means Revan is canonically white, which could bug people
 * 3) So… where did Nomi go while pregnant? Kinda hard to hide it from Jedi.(Ulicus 17:46, 21 October 2006 (UTC))
 * Don't mind me. Feel free to chit-chat all you want Ulicus. I was just grumpy at Jedi Wolf because I have had to revert several of his edits lately.– 20:39, 21 October 2006 (UTC)

Darth Krayt
The whole thing about Krayt finding Revan's holocron&mdash;source please. --Imp 16:57, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * He didn't. It was destroyed by Bane. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith campaign) 20:50, 21 October 2006 (UTC)