Talk:Zayne Carrick

Zayne's Master

 * A note on Zayne's Master; the name comes from the Dark Horse Audiocast over at Sw.com's Comic-Con section, so this might not be the correct spelling (though this spelling has been used in other fan works). That's why I haven't made it a link yet - Kwenn
 * Speaking of that audiocast, you wouldn't be willing to *wink, wink* it to me? --Imp 20:31, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Can't, since you can only hear it online at Hyperspace. Besides, it's pretty boring; the news has already been covered over at TF.N, and aside from the names of new characters - which are also around on the forums there - there's nothing worth hearing - Kwenn
 * Ah, all right. Could you post the list of the new characters here? --Imp 20:37, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Characters (helps if you have the KotOR comic cover for reference): kid with green sabre at front is the (anti-)hero, Zayne; the old guy is known as 'Camper'; the chick with the staff is Jarael (sp?); the Valorum-a-like Jedi dude at the back is Master Lusion (sp?), the badass droid is L-B, and the Snaggletooth (yep, confirmed as such) at the bottom is The Griff. No major characters from KotORs I or II feature (though may well have cameos), though locations from the games are seen and events are referenced (I assume the Mando War). Oh, and the audience at Comic-Con went wild when the DH guys announced the name of this comic series! - Kwenn
 * Just made a major edit to the page based on the comics through issue 2. I'll be going through and adding more to all of the KOTOR comics characters in the next few days.--Breathesgelatin 08:04, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Carrick?

 * What's the source for Zayne's last name? MarcK 04:49, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Comics Continuum has posted the February releases from Dark Horse. The blurb reveals Zayne's full name - Kwenn

Exile?
Zayne cannot be the Exile. There is one reason, but it overrides any speculation: according to Leland Chee, Exile's gender hasn't yet been determined by the time the first KOTOR comic was released. Of course, if they decide to make Exile male, Zayne can always be retconned to be the same person in the process of making the comic series, but it couldn't have been the original intent. - Sikon [ Talk ] 04:18, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * This is impossible, it mentions in the Knowledge board "please, no one ask about the Exile's gender, she is canonically female". StarWarsDude2007 23:07, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I actually agree. Chee is also on the record as saying that he's rooting for the Exile to be female. But a LOT of fans on the Dark Horse boards are thinking that Zayne will be the Exile or another KOTOR character. I'm more inclined to believe that he will ally himself with one of them. I can edit the BTS if you think it's best however. - Breathesgelatin 05:43, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Chee maybe rooting for it, but it may not happen that way. I see only three possibilities. Zayne is either the Jedi Exile (which would mean the idea of female would be out), Darth Nihilus (that would be cool and interesting), or another Kotor character. DarthMalus 18:49, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, but his story is so much like the Exile's that it's almost eerie. The thing about easy connections, the Mandalorian wars, and "The young Padawan's fate was, at last, in the hands of the five Masters." that's the Exile, pure and simple.
 * You forgot the fourth possibility: he is just that, Zayne Carrick. Why does every single character need to be connected to the game, especially given Chris Avellone's comment that KOTOR is notorious for constantly introducing new cast? (I know it, I know it! Lucien is Kavar and Q'anilia is Visas! It's so blatantly obvious!) - Sikon [ Talk ] 18:57, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that these two (completely individual, separate, and no way related to KotOR II individuals) only prove that Zayne was at least meant to be the Exile, even if he isn't.
 * You may have noticed that Chris Avellone isn't doing the comic. Kuralyov 03:30, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Zayne couldn't have been meant to be the Exile, for the reason I mentioned. And while Avellone isn't doing the comics, he was speaking about the general trend of the KOTOR franchise, not Obsidian's policy. - Sikon [ Talk ] 05:56, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * well now the exile is confirmed as female its deffo not going to be Zayne Jedi Dude 21:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Eye Color
Someone seems to be mistaken about a lot of KOTOR comics characters' eye colors. Looking at the last page of KOTOR 1, it seems that Zayne's eye color is brown. Definitely not blue as was previously in his infobox. If someone wants to call it hazel though... I'd be open to that. - Breathesgelatin 11:21, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Zayne is not Revan or Malak
I deleted that from the Article, there is no way Zayne is Revan or Malak, first and most importantly for Malak, Malak was his original name not an alias same with Revan and other then the fact Malak is a Bald, tall man. For Revan once again Revan is not an alias but his actual name and Revan was never described as mediocre like Zayne was.
 * So? I think it's obvious to everyone but fanboys. - Sikon [ Talk ] 00:39, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, there is always a possibility. Malak was always referred to as Vader was referred to by Obi-Wan in ANH. Though for now, it's just Malak. --Redemption 15:02, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * After reading issue #6, I'm convinced that the Associate is Kreia and that Zayne is Sion. John Jackson Miller basically said that we are going to see some characters in the series "assume new identities" as characters from the games.  Lonnyd 21:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank the maker that you deleted that. The crap that people come up with. And "assume new identities" sounds more like the comic book writers ignoring the game's storyline completely and doing whatever they want.

Image
So. Here we have two image. Which display Zayne in full, lightsaber drawn. Perfect for infobox. However, do we go with the one with the text or do we go with the cropped (if I could, I would have simply gotten rid of the speech but that looked awful).--Redemption 15:02, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Personally, I like the photoshopped one. - Breathesgelatin 18:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * But as a rule we don't use Photoshopped images, at least not to that extent. Whiting out the text boxes is fine - Kwenn 18:59, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Speaking of images, this article is in dire need of some, just thought I would point that out as I don't have a scanner. Lonnyd 11:09, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I can take care of that. So, the second one with a whited out text box? Alright. --Redemption 15:37, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What if we changed the main image to this one:

http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/497/ze7zo.jpg

It's from Brian Ching's Blog, so it's official. Personally I prefer this one, since it's clearer and just as good. I've got a bigger version which I'll upload unto the wookiepedia, but I want opinions before doing so ;) --Sauron18 16:50 28 June 2006(CDT)
 * There goes my image...good find btw ;) -Redemption 21:52, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, there's a lot in his blog: Valius, Gryph, Lucien, Raana Tey, etc.... --Sauron18 16:50 28 June 2006(CDT)
 * the current image is squashed, it looks riduclus. im not sure how to sort it... Jedi Dude 22:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Refresh the page. That's what happens when someone uploads an image over another. -Redemption 22:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I was wondering why the picture was changed? I know Cade has new clothing and style now, but the other one was better IMO, for the character's profile (Full Body, clear pic). I'll change it back, if someone disagrees we can talk here.--Sauron18 00:37, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

What if Zayne turns out to be...
Probably jumping the gun here a little bit but what if Zayne does turn out to be Sion, Nihilus, Malak, or whoever? Will the atricles simply merge together? Or would it simply give the Anakin/Vader treatment and keep them seperate? --Redemption 17:10, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The pages would most likely be merged together,like how Darth Krayt's page got merged with Asharrad Hett's page after they were revealed to be one in the same in Legacy # 15. Although I highly doubt that he is either Sion, Malak, or Revan. StarWarsDude2007 03:03, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Zayne won't become Malak for obvious reasons (they are very different physically). If he becomes Nihilus or Sion, we can hold a vote. - Sikon [ Talk ] 17:15, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess it would depend on the nature of Zayne's personna. If he literally takes on another personna, as Anakin did, then we'd likely leave the articles as they are. But if he takes a new name, a la Dooku or Palpatine, we'd merge - Kwenn 17:39, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * If there is officiol word that he is Nihilus/Sion, then the articles will likely be merged. Why? Nihilus and Sion's articles are smaller than average. . .and, well, so is Zayne's, so combining these articles would make them significantly larger. Warhobbe 05:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Zayne's is smaller than average? What average? - Sikon [ Talk ] 05:22, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe the "Destroyer of Worlds" prophecy is to vague to assume that it would be Nihilus considering that Sion/Atton blew up Peragus. Basically anyone can argue Zayne is such and such because they glassed a planet or two... Maybe that portion in the behind the scenes should be removed as tentative.


 * I'm wondering if Zayne actually turns out to be Atton. Atton is the "fool" who hunted Jedi and conceals most aspects of his identity, including a rather dark past. This sounds very much like Zayne... or his possible future. Was his path down the Dark Side aided by the fact that he survived Serroco whilst Gryph was vaporised? He fits very well with this "big change" kahoot, except for the fact that Atton never knew of his force-sensitive nature and didn't become a Jedi until the Exile trained him. Still, Atton is a notorious liar and traitor - did he want the Exile (or Kreia) to know who he used to be before he was Atton? Retcons and/or a cunning measure of plot-bending (ie. Revan's mindwipe) could still make it possible. In any case, I feel that the Knights of the Old Republic series hasn't finished with Atton... --Kessel 19:07, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Zayne isn't Atton, for the very reasons you listed. - Sikon 04:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Zayne being Atton isn't impossible. I'm not sure whether the age is right, but with the smallest amount of lore bending it could be entirely plausible. Can we entirely trust Atton's word? --Kessel 07:26, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Revan would be a great possibility. Master Lucien uses the word "revanche"--nice foreshadowing.  Also, I think of Zayne as a little more human(e) than Malak, Nihilus, or Sion.  Revan was described more ambivalently than those three.  We'll see.  Naysayers abound, but I am thinking Revan. Graestan 04:00, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that he could be Atton because they do have similar physical also if the yellow lightsaber does mean he is a sentinel that would explain why Atton was trained to be a sentinel. Darth Nezzera ( In umbris potestas est )[[Image:Sith_Emblem.svg|30px]]
 * And I'm thinking your wrong. He's not Revan and Atton was never a Jedi. Revan's life and history was of course talked about in KOTOR I and II and Revan doesn't even come close to what Zayne did or how Zayne acted. Revan had diferent Jedi teachers than Zayne.

''Zayne never expected to go far; he lacked confidence in his abilities, performed poorly for a future Jedi, and was treated as little more than a source of comic relief. his Jedi abilities did not advance as far as he might have hoped for while at the Academy.''

he would be thrown right in the middle of the emerging Mandalorian Wars, chased by the Republic and the Mandalorians alike.

This is not Revan at all.
 * Zayne is an anorexic bisexual android vampire magical girl from cyberspace. Everybody knows that. Now let's drop the issue. - Sikon 08:12, 3 October 2007 (UTC)

Obi-Wan
Don't see how this is relevant... - Sikon [ Talk ] 10:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

It shows that Zayne could end up like Obi-wan. That just because hes clumsy in trainying it doesnt mean he wont be powerful later on. --Darth Malice 17:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Saber color
Since when does saber color denote whether one is a "Jedi Sentinal" or not? - 205.188.117.7 19:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC) "And we don't know if Lucien is a Guardian, or even if all Jedi fall into one of these three categories to begin with."
 * it doesn't, apart from in games. which this isn't Jedi Dude 19:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * So should this be in here? - Angel Blue 451 19:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Any game-based Jedi classes speculation certainly shouldn't be in the article. - Sikon [ Talk ] 19:36, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. I'll remove it. - Angel Blue 451 19:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * However, it would seem that the author is consciously going with the color-to-class route. Notice how all 5 of the Taris Masters - save one - are Consulars, and all carry a green lightsaber; indicative of their class. The only exception is Lucien, who is a Guardian and carries the corresponding blade color (blue). I don't think this is mere coincidence.--Master Dakari 06:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * "It would seem" is not the same as "canon". And we don't know if Lucien is a Guardian, or even if all Jedi fall into one of these three categories to begin with. - Sikon 07:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

- User:Sikon

Huh? I'm not following you. Agreed, a class for Zayne should not be listed because it hasn't been confirmed, and the reasonings behind his yellow lightsaber have been listed on John Jackson Miller's Star Wars blog. However, how do you not understand that Lucien is a Guardian? After Zayne has contacted Master Vandar, and he and Jarael rescue Gryph from suffocation in an environmental suite, Zayne makes the statement, "The masters on are ALL Consulars -- all but Lucien!" This would means he is either a Guardian or Sentinel. Considering he is wields a blue lightsaber (opposite his fellow master, consulars, who are equipped with their corresponding color of green), and has little love of, or patience with, meditating, and he is noted to be even more of a warrior than his own father (who was a great warrior Jedi who fought in the Great Sith War), then it is HEAVILY and explicitly implied, even if not stated directly, that he is a Jedi Guardian.--Master Dakari 23:52, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No, this doesn't mean he was either a Guardian or Sentinel. We don't know if all Jedi are necessarily either Consulars or Sentinels or Guardians, even in the KOTOR era. - Sikon 05:50, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Image caption
"Zayne during last talk with Jarael."

This should be changed, since it isn't the last time he talks to her. I can't think of anything at the moment.--Darth OblivionComlink 03:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Affiliations
As we all know, Zayne basically ran away from the Jedi Order, thus he could not be considered to be affiliated with them or the Republic (Karath is also hunting for him). Being that he is technically an outlaw, wouldn't it be appropriate for "Formerly" to be placed in his affiliations and the infobox changed to a criminal one? -- Redemption  Talk 21:35, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

But he hasn't committed any crimes, has he? even though he is on the run. Ajeanette 14 February 2007
 * Actually, he did... He was involved in two scams (one on Vanquo and one on Telerath). - Sikon 11:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well if you follow this line of thought then all of Masters Lucien, Q'Anilia, Feln, Xamar, Raana, Krynda Draay and Haazen should be given Criminal infoboxes. Zyane is still techinically a member of the Jedi Order... more so than his former masters. He is still affiliated with the Jedi Order and Republic even though he is very much so on the run from them. However, technically he is on the run from the Jedi Covenant who framed him. He committed scams for his own sake, but other than that he still has a very strong Jedi character. And he is even aiding the Republic and its citizens wherever he goes. I think he should keep a Jedi character infobox and shouldn't be listed as formerly until we know whether his situation is settled or not. Just my take on it. -- Master Dakari 19:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with Master Dakari, and the infobox has been changed. [[Image:DarthAb.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 09:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Zayne and Master Vandar
In the article it says that Master Vandar taught him on the Dantooine Academy for a few years. Should we put Master Vandar as a "Known Master" of Zayne, or is this a case like Yoda where Vandar possibly taught most of the Jedi?--Jedi Kasra 09:55, 19 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it is the same situation as with Yoda. However, Yoda us still listen as a "Known Master" of many Jedi even after they moved on and became the assigned padawan to another Knight or Master. Some of these include Dooku, Ki-Adi-Mundi, and Obi-Wan Kenobi. I don't think it would hurt if Vandar was listed as a known master to Zayne. He has clearly made a strong influence on the young Jedi, being the only Jedi Zayne trusts enough to contact, and the Homecoming issue suggests that Lucien Draay  and his fellow masters reluctantly accepted their assigned padawans after seemingly being forced to do so. So, Zayne had to have had another master between his initial training as a Youngling and his time with Lucien.--Master Dakari 22:45, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Age

 * Has there been any mention to Zayne's age yet?Darth Matas 22:11, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Main Image
Hey, I recently noticed that KotoR artist Dustin Weaver released a sketch he made of Zayne in his livejournal. Now, this "sketch" is really quite complete (more so than his normal Zayne), and I think it would be perfect as a main image for this page, but I'm wondering, since the specific art itself isn't in the comics, whether we can actually use it here.

I remember hearing once that an artist's sketch of a character can only be used if he actually draws the character into star wars canon at some point, and this is the case here, so I dunno. Anyways, for those wondering, they can find the image here:

http://dustinweaver.livejournal.com/1873.html

I really like it, and think it would be great for a main image, and I'd like to hear what other people have to say. --Sauron18 21:33, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Being that the image is found only on the blog and we are already in the red with the current one (a consensus that has yet to be closed), it would be best if we stayed with what we have until consensus is closed...which by the way doesn't look good towards blog images so don't get your hopes up. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 21:41, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Revan and Malak using Zayne
I know you'll think that I'm crazy, but could it be that Revan and Malak made Zayne the Covenant's distraction, so they could get to the Star Forge? I can't believe those dudes would do something evil like that to poor little Zayne! Well, if the Covenant was going to prevent the Sith from returning, too bad it didn't happen after Revan and Malak were born! Get it? - Will Karner 3:04 P.M., 5 December 2007

Enough! We are all gowing tired of your pointless speculations. - Lord KAJ  – Company Office 20:14, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Wanna bet, wise guy? At least, I have a few users on my side. And by the way, you forgot the "r" in growing. If some of my "pointless speculations" come true, you guys owe me an apology! - Will Karner 5:15 P.M., 5 December 2007

Oh forgive me for leaving the "r" out wont you. I really dont care if you have users on your side, and if and when any of your pointless speculation turns out to be true, noboady will owe you an apology because until it is confirmed it is just that...SPECUALTION. Which is not allowed here. Are we getting the message im sending?. - Lord KAJ  – Company Office 22:25, 5 December 2007 (UTC) This is the talk page for the article "Zayne Carrick. This space is used for discussion relating to changes to the article, not for a discussion about the topic in question. Please remember to stay civil and sign all of your comments with four tildes ( Redemption  (Talk) 22:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)). Click here to start a new topic. -- Redemption  (Talk) 22:50, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I believe you owe us an apology...I point to the talk header at the top of the page...

Knight
I know that Zayne's still a Padawan, but he will become a great Jedi Knight. I would just like to know when and soon the time will be. Do you all believe he would turn into a Knight of the Old Republic? Trust in the Force and you will find the answer.72.14.84.112 13:38, 23 December 2007 (UTC), 23 December 2007

There is no such thing as the force, it is fictional. I highly recomend you take yourself off into the big wide world and start interacting with people instead of trying to provoke users into talking to you. - Lord KAJ  – Company Office 15:09, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Now hold on a minute there, fella! What I'm trying to say is that we can't leave the category "Pre Ruusan Jedi trainees" on forever. Zayne has to become a Knight someday and somehow. I just know it! And I'm just asking you to give it a bit of thought. 75.69.169.86 21:32, 25 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Jolee Bindo does a fine job of it...think before you leap. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 04:35, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Skywalker?
Errrr, I haven't read the KOTR comics before, so apologies if I'm barking up the wrong tree, or going over old stuff, but having just read the first issue of VECTOR, that seems to suggest the Zayne is a Skywalker. (ie the figures in the eon spanning vision at the beginning are all undeniably Skywalkers, with the exception of Zayne). Zombi.Wan Kenobi 13:48, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it does not suggest that Zayne is a Skywalker. MuanN 21:09, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but what if Zayne WAS a Skywalker ancestor? Perhaps on one of his sisters' side of the family or such. 72.82.4.250 05:50, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
 * We don't deal with what ifs. Please quit while your ahead with the pointless and irrelevant speculation. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 05:55, 20 February 2008 (UTC)

Not smart enough
Why doesn't Zayne just change his name, his clothes, and hair so the Covenant won't know who he is? 72.221.69.79 00:10, 3 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The Force. Zayne could easily disguise his physical form, but he couldn't possibly disguise himself from Q'Anilia's Force Sight. Furthermore, he is certainly not experienced enough to practise special disguising Force techniques, such as "Art of the Small". --Kessel 13:39, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Couldn't he at least prove to his masters that he's not the future Sith by demonstrating his actions of kindness and compassion? Revan showed his to the Rakatan elders when he was redeemed, so why not Zayne? 75.69.169.86 19:31, 9 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This is the talk page for the article "Zayne Carrick."

''This space is used for discussion relating to changes to the article, not for a discussion about the topic in question. Please remember to stay civil and sign all of your comments with four tildes ( ~ ). Click here to start a new topic.'' -- Repeat of Talk page header. -- Redemption  (Talk) 01:53, 10 March 2008 (UTC)

Infobox image
Would this work for the infobox image?

Drewton 02:35, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Per a previous consensus vote, we are not to use imagery that is exclusively found on artists blog - even if the said artist regularly does the pencils of said character. We can only use model sheets found on the blogs for behind the scenes sections. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 02:54, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. Is there a more recent one we could use from the comics, though (besides Vector)?  The current one looks like a Hobbit.  I remember a good picture of him from #21; I'll see if I can scan it tomorrow. Drewton 03:01, 7 April 2008 (UTC)