Talk:Meetra Surik

Rank before the Wars
I think the initial telling of the Exile needs to be changed saying she was a Padawan who went off to war, attaining Knighthood while at war. She had to of reached Knighthood before she went to war, seeing as Mical was initially lined up to be her apprentice (or student at least), and how it was mentioned more than once (or at least, alluded to it) that she trained students, that is not something typically done by Padawans, it is far more common for Jedi who have attained Knighthood already. Despite, the interaction of Vrook and Vandar with Vrook complaining to Vandar about her when she was a Padawan, that likely did not transpire shortly before she went to war, but more than likely when she was still fairly young. Also, what points to her having reached Knighthood before having gone to war actually is something Bastilla mentioned in the first KotOR to Carth giving her reasoning why she did not go to war was 1) she was only a Padawan and 2) her Battle Meditation had not fully developed and 3) she still believed in the Council, no attempt mentioned of either of them trying to sway her decision, faithful to the Council, maybe, but young and impressionable and "strong in the Force" as Padawan even then, quite likely, yet no mention of attempted recruitment, then. The above mentioned as well as all that was mentioned in KotOR2 leads me to believe that Revan and Malak were specifically targeting Jedi Knights and Masters only, before going to war (also there being no mention of Revan or Malak ever trying to recruit Padawans during the Mandalorian Wars (and why would they during that particular war?), only upon the Jedi Civil War did the Padawans conversion begin, or so it seems). So, it just seems more likely she had received Knighthood before, probably not long before, she went to war. Sumerland124 07:51, 23 March 2008 (UTC)- edited because I seriously confused a few things in my head (had been a long while since I last played the KotOR series)Sumerland124 08:29, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Firstly new comments go at the bottom of the page, not the top. Secondly you appear to have difficulty telling real life from a computer game. Youre looking way to deeply into this, it's stated many times in the game that the exile was a padawan when she left for war. Also Malak and Revan did try to recruit bastila as seen in the second game, Malak also tried to recruit Zayne when he was just a padawan. In short your entire argument is completelty flawed. - NerfryTalk 09:46, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

"Firstly" I don't think a personal attack was necessary, I don't see how I am having trouble discerning real life from a computer game, I just tried to rationalize something that came to mind, although it is fairly obvious that was an attempt on your part to debase me for no real reason and try to further belittle my opinion, a bit snide and low class of you in every respect. Perhaps you should cool it a bit, hm? And as I mentioned in my post above, it had been some time since I last played the game, however, I don't recall it stating anywhere that Malak and Revan tried to recruit Bastilla in the second game, merely a scene in Ludo Kresh's tome where she appears there in the Exile's "vision", the Exile pointing out (or at least it being an option) that Bastilla sided with the Council back then, and Malak basically replies saying she came to see things their way in time, but never a part where it actually states that they attempted to recruit Bastilla. But, naturally, I could be mistaken there. And I don't recall the game ever stating "many times" she went to war as a Padawan, the only thing to me that ever alluded she was a Padawan when she went to war is she was wearing the "Padawan robes" during the trial in the game, but then again maybe it did mention it in the game I just missed it. However, with Zayne, no, I can't say that Malak tried recruiting him into the Mandalorian Wars, and even when looking it up it's not even mentioned here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zayne But then again, of course, I could be wrong, I'm always open to that possibility.Sumerland124 12:47, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Calm down guys. Nerfry, ad hominem attacks are entirely unneccessary and counterproductive; and if you care so little about the mythos one wonders why you bothered to reply at all.
 * In any case, I disagree with the argument. My interpretation is that the Jedi Exile was a Padawan close to promotion at the outbreak of the Mandalorian Wars, and that Mical's hope of being trained by her was at the time just wishful thinking. I don't think it is to any degree unusual for a Padawan to teach younglings the basics of the Force; as I guess it's akin to a high school student teaching preschoolers how to write their name. The Jedi Exile could be compared to an Episode I Obi-Wan Kenobi: more than old enough for the rank of Jedi Knight and wise enough to take a Padawan upon her promotion, but interrupted by major galactic events.
 * Furthermore, the Exile was more mature and outgoing than Bastila; and as one of Revan's most vocal supporters would certainly not have been passed over by Revan and Malak. The Revanchists recruited any and all Jedi who would listen, including Padawans (e.g.Zez-Kai Ell's Padawan); though obviously these younger Jedi were more likely to decline (as both Bastila and Zayne did) as many likely felt that they were neither experienced nor independent enough to join the war effort. --Kessel 17:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Ahh, that's true, I hadn't thought of that, and I forgot about Zez-Kai Ell's Padawan as well. Bah, that's what happens when you get out of touch with things. But that clarifies her situation going to war as a Padawan a lot better for me, thanks. ^.^ Initially, it just didn't make much sense to me, but I didn't put as much perspective into it as I originally thought, I had. XD Anyhoo', thanks, Kessel. Sumerland124 00:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem. :) I just wish they hadn't had to cut so much of Mical's (and everyone else's...) story. The storyline is confusing enough as it is. ^_^ --Kessel 13:24, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Possible mention?
Could someone tell us about this possible mention in Galactic Republic Defense Ministry Daily Brief KD0092? And if it is highly probable, than should she be included at the Individuals section of the respective daily brief's article? Domlith 09:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "Jedi liaison now confirms one of the Knights on regular assignment on Serroco before the devastation has reported back, having escaped on one of the three military vessels that was able to make light speed. Reports indicate others were present, and one or more may have been part of the reported prisoner transfer to the Taris sector." --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 18:35, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Exile vs Traya
Would this picture work for the duel between the Exile and Traya? The Exile is looking down, so you can't see her head as much. Drewton  01:48, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No, we're not allowed to specify what color robes or lightsaber the exile had. -MPK 17:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In the infobox picture, she has a blue lightsaber, and in 'The Exile submits to the Council's judgment', she has Jedi robes. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 18:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * True, but we're not supposed to think about that. -MPK 18:57, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Why not use the Peragus spacesuit? No gender, no lightsaber, no robes. And it's a constant color and carries a natural pose. DAWUSS 00:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And I forgot, no face! DAWUSS 00:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The fact that you even mentioned gender throws that idea out and makes your agenda quite clear. Now where is that essay about those who can't accept Exile as female...? -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 00:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * IIRC you can't tell what gender the Exile is under that space uniform - It doesn't promote either one. But that's besides the point. I mentioned all that because it's a definitive outfit of the Exile, as all 4 possible outcomes has an Exile in a space suit where no characteristics of the Exile can be seen - including face and gender (unless you download some space suit mod or whatever, but that's another story entirely). But I had no intention of trying to promote one gender over another in this instance. DAWUSS 02:17, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, you are. By hiding the gender, you make it seem like it's still up in the air and for debate. Guess what. It isn't. The face is hidden in the current one and that is enough.

man or woman
im a little confused when you when you see the movie of sion talking about the death of the jedi intro he says the last jedi is a man i think he says and if he choses the way of the dark side.. is the exile a man or woman?
 * A woman, as it says at the top of the page. It was just a trailer.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 21:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, and the trailer was made a long time before the female Exile was made canon. Just ignore it. ;) --Kessel 16:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)