Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Tsui Choi (second nomination)


 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a good article nomination that was unsuccessful. Please do not modify it.

Tsui Choi

 * Nominated by: NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 20:36, March 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: The first RGAN in a while.

(0 ACs/1 Users/1 Total)
Support
 * 1) Skippy Farlstendoiro 11:07, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Whatever the objections, let us meet them as Wookieepedians. (Farlstendoiro)
 * 2) * Overall: "Tsui caught a Devaronian". Please, consistently refer to the character by his surname.
 * 3) **Shoot, I thought I caught all of those. Fixed.
 * 4) ***I've ed some.
 * 5) * Yinchorri Uprising: About Holmar Grahrk, you should add more context: He was a known associate of the Yinchorri army (an officer or so as far as they knew), and a prisoner to the Jedi at that point.
 * 6) **Added.
 * 7) *Yinchorri Uprising: IIRC, when Choi caught Grahrk, the Aleena lost his nerve and acted aggressively. It deserves a mention.
 * 8) **What do you mean by "lost his nerve"?
 * 9) ***I think that, due to Fida's death, Choi was almost physically violent with Holmar - far more than a Jedi master should be. But I can't check the OS right now. If you say I'm wrong, I'll believe it.
 * 10) ****I believe you. The Yinchorri Uprising is barely even a faint blip on my radar. Added. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 01:12, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11) * Yinchorri Uprising: "Choi later attended the funeral of his Padawan on the planet Coruscant—where he was cremated" Technically ambiguous, but with these aliens you never know: Please specify that Fida, not Choi, was cremated.
 * 12) **Done.
 * 13) * Personality: "though he used his blue lightsaber,[2] which he later changed to green, when it was required of him". Strange that it was required of him to change the color of his lightsaber. Maybe you could reword this part? Even later, reading "He followed this philosophy", I think it was a philosophy of color changing.
 * 14) **Fixed (lol).
 * 15) * BTS: "It came bundled with a yellow BARC Trooper". Is the trooper yellow? Or is the trooper's armor yellow?
 * 16) **Fixed.
 * 17) * Overall: In the comic-books (at least in Acts of War), Choi talks in lowercase letters, which is not the norm. This deserves a mention somewhere.
 * 18) **It's mentioned in the first paragraph of the Bts. That's what "sentence case" means.
 * 19) *Skippy Farlstendoiro 08:49, March 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * 20) **Thanks for the review. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 23:50, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * Given the subject, this article could (and should) easily stretch to over 3,000 words, and therefore be ineligible for GA status. In it's current state it appears to be severely under-detailed. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 19:34, April 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Which is why I only nominated it for GA, it isn't ready for an FA. I can't get the comics (It is impossible, so please don't ask me to) for the first two sections so I synthesized everything I could find on him into them, and that is it. It covers the events of his life comprehensibly, and if, in the opinion of some it is under-detailed in some aspects, that's still better than the over-detail objections I get from virtually everyone on other things I write. Also, the article currently stands at 1,709. If God were to come down and lend me the comics from His personal stash, if I were to find some iota of information not covered in the article, it would not go over 3,000 words. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 00:18, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * A lack of access to the comics is not an excuse. The only difference that exists between GAs and FAs is the length, not the standards. If the amount of detail needs to be made an official objection, it will. The GAN isn't a way to avoid writing with the same quality that would be expected of FAs.  CC7567  (talk) 00:22, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying that as an excuse, there's nothing to excuse. There is no event missing from his biography, it is just a tad bit shorter than if I had the source material while maintaining a decent length. I'm not going to debate the differences between GAs and FAs&mdash;of which there are several&mdash;here, and just because a GA is over 1000 words certainly does not automatically make it an FA. So please just review the article and have a nice day. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 18:24, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * The article is complete, and accusing me of any unwillingnes to write is ridiculous. It's sitting there in black and white covering his entire life. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 18:36, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * You said yourself it is not complete. I quote: "I can't get the comics (It is impossible, so please don't ask me to) for the first two sections so I synthesized everything I could find on him into them" This clearly states that, not only do you you not have access to all the sources, but you have absolutely no intention of even trying to get access to them: "please don't ask me to". The difference between an FA and a GA has nothing to do with the quality of the content; GAs and FAs should both be reasonably detailed. But you have stated yourself that this is not as completely detailed as it should be. I quote: "it is just a tad bit shorter than if I had the source material" This unwillingness to fully research and complete the article is unacceptable. Jonjedigrandmaster  Jedi symbol.svg ( We seed the stars ) 18:59, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I already explained this to Toprawa, but I have no qualms about telling you. I have Dial-up. My maximum download speed is 12 Kilobytes a second. Then, after about a minute it slows to about two or three kilobytes a second. The packs with the comics inthem are over 1000 Megabytes each. That is why it is impossible. I would have to leave my computer on for several days, leaving my internet active, therefore losing my phone (which I never use but constitutes a problem for my parents and not to mention the possible combustion of my computer itself. Just because I reseached the article using other means than the source material (The Wook. I looked at FAs and othere reliable articles to tell me the info I needed.) Therefore I've tried and I've researched thoghroughly. Again, I'm not going to debate the difference between an FA and GA here, but this article is a full telling of his life as we know it. If you wish me to expand on a certain subject, do what none of you have done and tell me specifically what to look at. The Clone Wars and Yinchorri sections may be a tad bit short, but they are complete, I only missed one thing related to Tsui Choi according to a person who has actually read the source. The article is fine. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 19:36, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I understand, and I apologize if I came across as harsh or rude. Unfortunately, however, I am going to have to leave my vote to remove up for now per Tope's reasoning below; in that overall coverage of information in the article is not broad enough. Jonjedigrandmaster  Jedi symbol.svg ( We seed the stars ) 20:06, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * If that's your opinion, go for it. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 20:11, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Vote to remove nomination (AC only)

 * 1) Per the nominator's own unwillingness to actually write the article. To say that you don't have all of the sources and therefore have no intent of writing a complete article is beyond rediculous.  Jonjedigrandmaster  Jedi symbol.svg ( We seed the stars ) 18:28, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) It doesn't matter if an article is "complete," as the nominator suggests. Instead, the basis for non-comprehensive articles over 1000 words is, per the rule wording, whether they demonstrate "broad coverage addressing all major aspects of the topic [sufficiently]." Per the discussion in the Comments section above, and by simply looking at the article myself, though I admit I am remarkably unfamiliar with the subject material, I support removal on the grounds that coverage is not broad enough. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:07, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 20:15, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Per all above.  CC7567  (talk) 04:42, April 7, 2010 (UTC)