Wookieepedia:Comprehensive article nominations/Royal Crusader


 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a comprehensive article nomination that was unsuccessful. Please do not modify it.

Royal Crusader

 * Nominated by: MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 15:17, February 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Part of a series of Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds articles I'm doing for WP:VG.

(1 ECs/3 Users/4 Total)
Support
 * graestan ( talk ) 20:56, February 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) Nice work on this WP:VG article.&mdash; Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 03:37, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) Crusaders ho! Corellian PremierRobotech.jpg along the watchtower 02:24, February 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) Good work satisfying 8 objectors.-- 501st Dogma Republic_emblem.png( Comlink ) 23:10, February 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 17:20, February 13, 2012 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) I don't understand the statement, "They do not appear in the game's campaign." Perhaps you could be more explicit.  graestan ( talk ) 18:40, February 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) *Better? MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 20:24, February 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * 3) Are you certain the mention of their usefulness against mech units doesn't belong in the BtS with other game mechanics info? Does the game itself mention that? Also, use of the term "mech" is a bit colloquial, and I am not sure how to link it. Mechanized infantry?  graestan ( talk ) 18:40, February 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * 4) *Well, the Prima Guide states that. I figured it could go into the body since it's a special unit, and therefore it's not just for gameplay reasons that the unit is good against mechs. As for the linking, idk. This is my first unit article, so I'm in the dark. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 20:22, February 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * 5) *Thanks for the review! :) MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 20:24, February 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * 6) **I changed it to "mechanized" but I still think the wording of the last two sentences sound more like game guide than canon encyclopedia entry. Play with them a bit, make them into a story. graestan ( talk ) 20:32, February 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * 7) ***I reworded some. It's hard to make the statistics sound less "gamey" without going POV. 9_9 lol Lemme know if that's good. :) MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 20:39, February 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * 8) ****I hope my final tweak is kosher. graestan ( talk ) 20:56, February 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * 9) The Premier
 * 10) I was wrong, they do appear in the campaign. 7 of them defend Harte Secur during the 2nd TF mission. This needs included. Corellian PremierRobotech.jpg along the watchtower 01:13, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * 11) *Haha, no, I was wrong, because I checked. XD I didn't think to check the TF campaign. Stupid me. 9_9 lol Anyway, added. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 14:42, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * 12) **We would need to remove (Multiplayer only) then from at least GB in the appearances. Corellian PremierRobotech.jpg along the watchtower 16:10, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * 13) ***Ah yes. Fixed. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 16:23, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * 14) They are identified as "Royal Crusaders" in the game databank. Would a move be in order? Corellian PremierRobotech.jpg along the watchtower 01:13, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * 15) *The game guide calls them "royal crusaders" multiple times. Which should we go with? MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 14:42, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * 16) **True, but wouldn't the game's databank trump the guide? Corellian PremierRobotech.jpg along the watchtower 17:05, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * 17) ***I guess so. It's been moved. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 19:16, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * 18) Exiled Jedi
 * 19) * Please mention who was invading Naboo in the body of the article.
 * 20) **Mentioned.
 * 21) * Please say who was victorious at Harte Secur.
 * 22) **Good?
 * 23) ***I think that you could use to reword that last sentence to make it flow better.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  21:40, February 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * 24) ****How about now? MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 16:24, February 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * 25) * I'm not sure if you should mention this, but the Elite Royal Crusaders had shield generators protecting them.
 * 26) **Meh, I guess so. Mentioned.
 * 27) * Are you sure that you should have their game statistics in the BTS? The statistics for every unit in the game can be changed by different upgrades. I also did not think that we included the actual game statistics in articles. Any thoughts on this? -- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  19:32, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * 28) **Cal said yes, but that's two who have said no. I've removed them.
 * 29) ***Meh. Haven't done articles from GB type games before. Sorry for the confusion.&mdash; Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 01:30, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * 30) *It looks like you will have to section the article since the word count is now over 200 words.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  03:27, February 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * 31) *Thanks for the review! MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 19:36, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * 32) Rubedo
 * 33) * Don't list out statistics that way. They should be prosified (no numbers) and you should write out what they represent, i.e. "Royal Crusaders were stonger than other melee units in the game" or some such. Whatever Armor and DuraArmor mean, that might be something for the body. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 20:39, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * 34) **There's not really a way to word it. I have no idea what "DuraArmor" and "Armor" represent IU. I think it's merely game mechanics.
 * 35) ***Especially since the upgraded unit has shields. If they were significantly higher than one, I would say find a way to include it, but I'm guessing that's just base and unimportant. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 00:05, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * 36) * Further, "The unit is weak against Jedi and aircraft and is strong against turrets, assault mechs, and troopers" should be prosified in an IU way and put in the body. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 20:41, February 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * 37) **Better?
 * 38) *Thanks for the review! MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 19:36, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * 39) * Context on Trade Federation and Harte Secur. I thought the latter was a person. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 00:05, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * 40) **Better? MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 19:26, February 9, 2012 (UTC)
 * 41) 501st
 * 42) * You say "Seven Crusaders were used during the invasion of Naboo by the Trade Federation". This kind of sounds like the crusaders were used by the Trade Federation.
 * 43) * Also, you describe the trade federation as a "galactic trade company". Try to use a different word then trade.
 * 44) *-- 501st Dogma Republic_emblem.png( Comlink ) 21:22, February 10, 2012 (UTC)

Comments
 * This is my first video game unit article, so should all the game statistics for the unit be included in the Bts, such as Attack points, etc.? MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 20:28, February 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * That probably would be a good idea for comprehensiveness.&mdash; Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 03:37, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Added. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 16:28, February 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * This thing is totally hijacked by the later objections, so I have to withdraw support and re-review once they are satisfied. At the very least I will say that game mechanics of such specificity do not belong on a canon wiki. This was one of the earliest debated issues on this site. graestan ( talk ) 05:53, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey Fred, I saw that you added the NEC as a source. Are the Crusaders mentioned in there? Corellian PremierRobotech.jpg along the watchtower 03:31, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * No. I was actually gonna ask about that. Is it only if it is mentioned, or if any information in the article was gleaned from the source? MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 03:59, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * There isn't any mention of them or Harte Secur whatsoever. I just use the NEC to source things like this because Galactic Battlegrounds doesn't say "32 BBY." So the NEC can be removed from the source list. Corellian PremierRobotech.jpg along the watchtower 04:09, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, just a misunderstanding on how the section worked on my part. Foxed. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 04:16, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * According to my count, the article is now over 200 words. You'll need to section the article, and chances are, this will end up being too big for CAN. I'll leave my support on the article until you section it, and I review it again, provided it stays below 250 words.&mdash; Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 02:41, February 18, 2012 (UTC)