Wookieepedia:Mofferences

All Wookieepedians are invited to attend the occasional Wookieepedia mofference. Kindly don't be scared away by the name; we like to have all opinions at the meetings. There is currently a meeting scheduled for Sunday, July 26, 2009, at 0:00 UTC (Saturday, July 25, at 8PM Eastern in North America).

How to join the meeting
IRC: irc.freenode.net #wookieepedia

For a list of clients, see IRC. Wikia provides web access to our IRC channel at irc.wikia.com/starwars.

(Hint: You only get 16 characters in your IRC nickname.)

Users who use the CGI:IRC gateway to attend the Mofference may experience considerable lag during the meeting, when there is more activity than usual in the channel, and so it is recommended that a chat client such as ChatZilla be used if you wish to participate effectively.

Please note
Per Single-issue voters, only those users with 50 valid (non-vandalism, non-fanon) edits to the Main (article) namespace may be given voice and a vote at the Mofference.

Discussion of Agenda items is to be held at the Mofference itself, with the exception of procedural comments by administrators and affected users. Comments added to Agenda items will likely be reverted by administration.

Next meeting
The next Mofference will be held Sunday, July 26, 2009, at 0:00 UTC (8 pm US EDT).

Agenda

 * 1) Banning self votes on RFRs. While this probably doesn't need to go through a Mofference, I'm doing it just to be safe.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 01:35, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) *Addendum: While I don't really care one way or the other, I see no point in banning self-votes in one election process but not in others. Therefore, just to be consistent, I'd like to extend the proposal to cover RFAs and RFBs also. &mdash;Master Jonathan(Jedi Council Chambers) 02:34, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) If this is the proper venue, I'd like to discuss developing and implementing a system of consistently updating the Search icons/In use page. What's there has been there at least since I joined and very likely much longer. —Tommy9281 Dark side Master SWGTCG.jpg ( No quarter given, all exits sealed ) 06:12, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) I'm going to be putting together a list of proposed amendments to our voting eligibility policy. Main point: consensus and election voting eligibility should be a bit harder to achieve than QotD voting eligibility. MyWookieeSpace users shouldn't be allowed to vote for things that make us less of an encyclopedia. If we don't nip it in the bud, next thing you know we'll be Halopedia 2. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 14:38, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Our current policy for administrative absences states that "if an administrator does not edit or use admin tools for four months or more, the following steps are to be taken outside of the RFRA process: 4 months' absence, attempts to communicate will be made, 5 months' absence, warning that removal will occur at 6 months, 6 months' absence, Bureaucrat will remove sysops." So basically, as long as an admin edits once every six months, they won't get their adminship removed. I'd like to change this policy to something like 50 mainspace edits in 6 months (I'd actually like it to be a lot higher, say, 250, but that's probably not realistic, much to my chagrin). If an admin doesn't meet that pathetically easy minimum requirement, they should lose their power. There's no point in having adminship if you're not going to use it, and believe me, we have admins that never use their power. As is, there are a couple of admins that I feel should not be admins, and I'd like to see them lose that status, but part of that is a separate issue which will hopefully be addressed in another agenda item. Anyway, I'd like to raise the minimum benchmark number of edits for admins to get their power. This, and removing power from a couple other admins, is something I feel very strongly about. I believe it would be in the Wook's best interest. In conclusion, we'll talk more about this at the meeting; I just wanted to get it off my chest.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 15:16, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) Wikia keeps adding "features" nobody wants, which often break things and regularly violate existing policies just by existing. I think we need a blanket rule we can point to that says that new "features" must be turned off by default until approved by proper consensus procedures. Administrators would then link to this policy every time Wikia introduces a new "feature" and no further justification to disable it will be required. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 17:21, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * IMO, succession boxes are extremely redundant when an corresponding box that lists dates&mdash;such as RogueLeader or GACOS&mdash;is used on the same article, so I'd like to discuss eliminating succession boxes in this situation. &mdash;Master Jonathan(Jedi Council Chambers) 19:43, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) WP:I currently requires that speech bubbles be blanked if they are cut off and that the text inside be left as is if the bubble is intact. An issue came up on GAN in which one bubble in each of two pictures had to be blanked while other bubbles in each image retained the text, and both and I agree that this is "unsightly". I'd like to propose requiring all bubbles in one image to be the same&mdash;i.e. if one bubble is cut off, all bubbles should be blanked. &mdash;Master Jonathan(Jedi Council Chambers) 06:23, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) *Minor addendum to this item: It would also be good to reword that point as "if any text in the bubble is cut off, all text in the bubble should be removed." The bubble itself isn't really the issue, and if some people are going to enforce it in such a way as to require silly things like this then it needs to be fixed ASAP. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 12:15, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) Contacting LucasFilm regarding a possible Featured picture feature on our Main Page. With their blessing, this could be a huge help in drawing readers to our articles. --Imperialles 12:09, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) Dissemination of personal information: I would like to revise current policy, without retroactive repercussions, to regard the publication of other Wookieepedians' personal information (anything about the user as a person that is not available on Wookieepedia already) or private conversations (IRC private messages and private, unaffiliated channels; other instant messages and e-mails), whether on the site, in the site's public IRC channels, or on the administrative e-mail list, as a permanently bannable offense, regardless of the user's status on the site. This has been carried out in regards mainly to off-site trolls in the recent past, per the admin discretion clause of the blocking policy, but an actual policy beyond precedent has not been established. Graestan ( Talk ) 17:57, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Discussion on democratization: There are a number of policies and other official items on the site which were never voted on by the user base, and this concerns me. I'd like to invite users to feel free to bring forward any policies that need revision or that they would like to see voted on as opposed to the early unilateral adapting-from-Wikipedia format. Wookieepedia has functioned extremely well in a largely democratic format for some time, and I feel that users should have some say in every process on the site. Graestan ( Talk ) 18:05, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) There are many articles that have several cleanup tags at the top, which can be really annoying when reading (for example this article has 4 tags before you can read its intro). I'd like to propose to tag these articles with just one template that lists all issues instead of several tags. A draft of such a template can be found here.  Pranay Sobusk  ~  Talk  13:35, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) *Sounds like a valid idea, but the colour of the draft is too dark, and makes the text hard to read. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie  the truth  ) 23:50, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) **Better yet, I was wondering if we can automatically "Hide" excessive amounts of tags on top of the article. For example, the new "App" template automatically hides its content. Perhaps we can hide the excessive tags and its main template tag (which shows the hide/show link) can say "This article has excessive amount of Clean up tags...".  JangFett  Talk 02:54, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) Standardizing colon use for articles on OOU works with "Star Wars" in the title. Essentially, "Star Wars: Empire" versus "Star Wars Empire". --Imperialles 19:44, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 10) Banning the use of user images and userpages for trafficking encoded data. Basically, I feel that doing anything like this or this using Wookieepedia as a vector requires a specific policy with severe penalties. I'll write up a nice technobabbley explanation and a detailed policy proposal by Mofference time. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 15:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 11) Using Wookieepedia as a host for personal avatar or signature images should be expressly prohibited. Right now, there's no rule saying you can't hotlink your 500kb worth of Wookieepedia-hosted user images from another website or forum. I feel that such images should be immediately deleted if an administrator discovers (or a user notifies an administrator) they're being used in such a way. This would not include hotlinking article images for the purpose of discussion, just abusing our hosting for personal benefit. This and the prior proposal may not seem especially important now, but bandwidth costs Wikia money and Wikia's costs have to be covered by ever more intrusive advertising. Plus if Wookieepedia ever moves to another host, it would be best to have such bandwidth-saving measures in place without having to unilaterally implement them after moving. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 15:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 12) I believe elections should be held for those administrators/bureaucrats who were never appointed in a democratic fashion, early in the site's history. In the same vein as Graestan's point above, users should have a say in this - there's no reason why they shouldn't. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 12:18, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 13) Slight tweaks to Main and Seealso. I will have a demonstration page available by the mofference time.

Attendance
> JangFett  Talk 00:47, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Seeing as I scheduled it, I hope I can :P  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 01:35, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) Should be able to make it.  Grunny  ( Talk ) 01:47, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) Barring an unforeseen intrusion into my schedule. &mdash;Master Jonathan(Jedi Council Chambers) 01:52, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) Although I have an extremely bad memory. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie  the truth  ) 05:36, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Per the previous two comments. —Tommy9281 Dark side Master SWGTCG.jpg ( No quarter given, all exits sealed ) 06:12, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) Hopefully. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 20:05, 30 June 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) It is possible <span style="font-variant: small-caps; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px"
 * 1) Graestan ( Talk ) 17:31, 11 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) Very likely.  Pranay Sobusk  ~  Talk  13:36, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) I am going on vacation the same day, but I should be able to make it. --Imperialles 19:45, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) Hopefully...  CC7567  (talk) 00:01, 13 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) I'll bring the virtual PIE. Kilson Likes PIE 02:43, 14 July 09 (UTC)
 * 6) I do not need to miss another Mofference so help me Force, and with no job now I might be able to nail this. I'm going to assume it's 6 pm Central Time. --  Riffsyphon  1024 05:59, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) *It's at 7PM Central. Graestan ( Talk ) 15:16, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) **Well you had me. I only thought 18:00 was 6 pm. --  Riffsyphon  1024 01:14, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) ***Daylight Savings Time. Graestan ( Talk ) 01:19, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 10) I guarantee nothing. I can't promise I'll try, but I'll try to try. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:39, 16 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 11) Probably. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 10:44, 17 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 12) May be late, but I should make it. &mdash; Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 21:03, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 13) I'll be there. 21:18, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 14) I'll do my best. Darth Trayus  Sith_Emblem.svg ( Trayus Academy ) 21:59, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 15) I plan on showing up. Cylka  -talk- 02:29, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * 16) Unless I forget or something happens, which due to current circumstances is a distinct possibility. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 19:00, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Apologies

 * Family coming into town that weekend. Sorry :/ —Xwing328 (Talk) 02:46, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I have yet to be dedicated enough to stay up to 1 AM. Sorry. Nayayen [[Image:Old Republic military symbol.png|18px]] talk  13:51, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Gonna be in Cooperstown, NY for Baseball Hall of Fame inductions. Sorry.  IFYLOFD  ( You will pay the price for your lack of vision! ) 21:16, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I will if I can, but we have softball stuff going on this weekend. WhiteBoy 02:01, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * RL intervenes yet again. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Talk page ) 18:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Comments

 * Is this going to be on a Saturday or Sunday? The text above says 0:00 UTC on a Saturday, but the infobox says Sunday. &mdash;Master Jonathan(Jedi Council Chambers) 06:31, 3 July 2009 (UTC)
 * It's Saturday. I fixed the infobox...I think. If it's still wrong, someone else can feel free to fix it. After almost 3 years, I still haven't figured out UTC.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 12:03, 4 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, you said Saturday, but Grae later changed the date at the top of the page to Sunday. Which is it? &mdash;Master Jonathan(Jedi Council Chambers) 18:55, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Both. For simplicity, let's narrow it down to this: Saturday night in the Americas, Sunday early hours in Europe and Africa, Sunday morning/afternoon in Asia and Oceania. &mdash; Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 19:57, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Meeting transcripts

 * 1) January 7, 2006 (PDF)
 * 2) January 16, 2006 (PDF)
 * 3) February 2, 2006 (PDF)
 * 4) February 28, 2006 (PDF)
 * 5) April 16, 2006 (Text)
 * 6) May 14, 2006 (PDF)
 * 7) August 19, 2006 (Text)
 * 8) November 10, 2006 (Text) (PDF)
 * 9) December 8, 2006 (Text) (PDF)
 * 10) February 23, 2007 (Text) (PDF)
 * 11) June 2, 2007 (Text)
 * 12) September 9, 2007 (Text) (PDF)
 * 13) January 5, 2008 (Text)
 * 14) August 23, 2008 (Text) (Minutes)
 * 15) January 25, 2009 (Text) (Minutes)