Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Log/2019 July 20

Jul 20 13:56:28 Okay, welcome to Inqmoot 105. Jul 20 13:56:41 We will start with discussion items. Jul 20 13:56:53 It looks like Tommy has the first item. Jul 20 13:57:02  Lol no :P Jul 20 13:57:12  Want me to present it? Jul 20 13:57:19  That’s Topes, I just added t coz I was bored Jul 20 13:57:22  Yeah thanks Jul 20 13:57:24  Ok Jul 20 13:57:31  It's the same thing we instituted for the EC last week Jul 20 13:57:36  Regarding meeting duties Jul 20 13:57:42  Everyone is familiar with this, I believe? Jul 20 13:57:49  I'm proposing the AC adopt it as well Jul 20 13:58:11 I am familiar with it. Jul 20 13:58:15  If anyone needs a reminder, please say so Jul 20 13:58:24  I'd rather not have to explain the whole thing :P Jul 20 13:58:32  It's listed under the EC Bylaws page's paperwork section Jul 20 13:59:00  Ok, I think we can vote, then Jul 20 13:59:25 Support. Jul 20 13:59:29  Support Jul 20 13:59:30  SE supports Jul 20 13:59:37 support Jul 20 13:59:54  Support Jul 20 14:00:02 <Toprawa> Imperators also supports Jul 20 14:00:05 <Toprawa> I think that's everyone Jul 20 14:00:14 <Toprawa> So for the sake of expediency, here's the new duties list: Jul 20 14:00:16 <Toprawa> Supreme Emperor Jul 20 14:00:16 <Toprawa> Imperators II* Jul 20 14:00:16 <Toprawa> Tommy-Macaroni* Jul 20 14:00:16 <Toprawa> Exiledjedi* Jul 20 14:00:16 <Toprawa> Toprawa and Ralltiir* Jul 20 14:00:19 <Toprawa> Xd1358* Jul 20 14:00:31 All right, the proposal passes. Jul 20 14:06:14 Okay, if there isn't anything else, we will move on to the articles from last meeting. Jul 20 14:06:25 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kam_Nale Jul 20 14:06:29 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8369875 Jul 20 14:06:34 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Kam_Nale_(second_review) Jul 20 14:06:49 No changes except for a bot edit Jul 20 14:06:53 kill Jul 20 14:06:54 Kill. Jul 20 14:07:00 <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill Jul 20 14:07:11 <Toprawa> Kill² (SE gave me his vote) Jul 20 14:07:22 Kam Nale killed. Jul 20 14:07:27 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Duel_in_the_Korriban_Academy Jul 20 14:07:47 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8362860 Jul 20 14:07:51 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Duel_in_the_Korriban_Academy Jul 20 14:07:54 No changes. Jul 20 14:07:58 <Toprawa> Kill² Jul 20 14:08:01 <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill Jul 20 14:08:04 kill Jul 20 14:08:06 Kill Jul 20 14:08:13 Duel in the Korriban Academy killed. Jul 20 14:08:26 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Niai_Fieso Jul 20 14:08:32 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8363710 Jul 20 14:08:38 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Niai_Fieso Jul 20 14:08:41 No changes. Jul 20 14:08:43 <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill Jul 20 14:08:44 <Toprawa> Kill² Jul 20 14:08:53 Kill Jul 20 14:09:06 kill Jul 20 14:09:12 Niai Fieso killed. Jul 20 14:09:16 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sirak Jul 20 14:09:20 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8326700 Jul 20 14:09:23 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Sirak Jul 20 14:09:26 No changes. Jul 20 14:09:29 <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill Jul 20 14:09:38 Kill Jul 20 14:09:43 <Toprawa> Kill² Jul 20 14:09:51 kill Jul 20 14:10:03 Sirak killed. Jul 20 14:10:10 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Dannl_Faytonni/Legends Jul 20 14:10:14 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8349607 Jul 20 14:10:20 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Dannl_Faytonni/Legends Jul 20 14:10:24 No changes. Jul 20 14:10:33 <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill Jul 20 14:10:34 <Toprawa> Kill² Jul 20 14:10:40 Kill Jul 20 14:11:15 kill Jul 20 14:11:24 Dannl Faytonni/Legends killed. Jul 20 14:11:31 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Janus_Greejatus/Legends Jul 20 14:11:35 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8369887 Jul 20 14:11:39 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Janus_Greejatus/Legends Jul 20 14:11:52 No changes except a bot edit. Jul 20 14:11:55 <Toprawa> Kill² Jul 20 14:12:03 Kill Jul 20 14:12:04 <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill Jul 20 14:12:04 kill Jul 20 14:12:29 Janus Greejatus/Legends killed. Jul 20 14:12:40 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Faro_Argyus Jul 20 14:12:47 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8369888 Jul 20 14:12:53 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Faro_Argyus_(second_review) Jul 20 14:12:58 No changes. Jul 20 14:13:01 <Toprawa> Kill² Jul 20 14:13:09 Kill Jul 20 14:13:17 <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill Jul 20 14:13:22 kill Jul 20 14:13:43 Faro Argyus killed. Jul 20 14:13:50 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Decimator_(war_machine) Jul 20 14:13:56 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8362906 Jul 20 14:14:00 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Decimator_(war_machine) Jul 20 14:14:14 No substantial changes. Jul 20 14:14:20 <Toprawa> Kill² Jul 20 14:14:21 kill Jul 20 14:14:24 Kill Jul 20 14:14:25 <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill Jul 20 14:14:49 Decimator (war machine) killed. Jul 20 14:15:00 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/BesGas_Three Jul 20 14:15:03 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8305988 Jul 20 14:15:07 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/BesGas_Three Jul 20 14:15:14 No changes. Jul 20 14:15:17 kill Jul 20 14:15:24 <Toprawa> Kill² Jul 20 14:15:25 Kill Jul 20 14:15:35 <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill Jul 20 14:15:43 BesGas Three killed. Jul 20 14:16:01 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Aarrba Jul 20 14:16:04 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8177375 Jul 20 14:16:08 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Aarrba Jul 20 14:16:11 No changes. Jul 20 14:16:24 <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill Jul 20 14:16:24 <Toprawa> Kill² Jul 20 14:16:24 kill Jul 20 14:16:28 Kill. Jul 20 14:16:32 Aarrba killed. Jul 20 14:16:33 alright guys, I need to run, unfortunately Jul 20 14:16:37 Probe all the new stuff Jul 20 14:16:41 <Toprawa> See ya Jul 20 14:16:44 EJ gets my vote on everything else Jul 20 14:16:47 <Tommy-Macaroni> Bye Jul 20 14:16:56 All right, that is it for old articles, onto the new stuff. Jul 20 14:17:07 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Odile_Vaiken Jul 20 14:17:14    I really don't understand the rationale for the dating in references 2 and 8, specifically how BTC translates to BBY/ABY. What is this "simple math"? And let's replace "simple math" with more formal writing, please. Jul 20 14:17:14    All of the Timelines in the Appearances and referencing should utilize the TOR citation template. Jul 20 14:17:14    Infobox-exclusive information. Jul 20 14:17:14    Certainly could use an Equipment section. Jul 20 14:17:14    I'd like to see the first section of the Biography actually be given a subsection title. Jul 20 14:17:14    The third Bio image should be re-formatted to fit better within that subsection. Currently it's placed right in the middle of the "Legacy" title, causing it and the quote to be awkwardly indented. Probably a relic of Monobook. Jul 20 14:17:14    Going along with the previous objection, breaking up the first "Legacy" paragraph into two will help that image fit better. Jul 20 14:17:14    Redlinks and redirects. Jul 20 14:17:14    BTS is unsourced. Jul 20 14:17:14    Authors and publication dates would be nice in the BTS, if available. Jul 20 14:17:14    I feel like the BTS would probably benefit from a brief explanation of what his mention is in Galaxy of Heroes, considering that thing kind of straddles the Canon-Legends fence. Jul 20 14:17:14    Missing archive links. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:00, July 19, 2019 (UTC) Jul 20 14:17:48 <Toprawa> Probe² Jul 20 14:17:55 <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe Jul 20 14:17:59 Probe Jul 20 14:18:05 Ecks probes. Jul 20 14:18:13 Odile Vaiken probed. Jul 20 14:18:20 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Kessel_(0_ABY) Jul 20 14:18:27    Reference 2 doesn't comprehensively explain how this battle can be pinpointed to 0.5 ABY, as it doesn't give any indication for how far after the Yavin evacuation this battle takes place. Just because it happens after the evacuation doesn't automatically place it in the 0.5–1 ABY range, for example. How do we know this battle doesn't take place in early 1 ABY? Jul 20 14:18:27    Bio image doesn't need to be placed that high in that section. It would look better more towards the middle, and that section's first paragraph may look better broken up into two. This is probably all a relic of Monobook. Jul 20 14:18:27    BTS is unsourced. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:00, July 19, 2019 (UTC) Jul 20 14:18:39 <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe Jul 20 14:18:44 Probe / ecks probes. Jul 20 14:19:00 <Toprawa> Probe² Jul 20 14:19:12 Battle of Kessel (0 ABY) probed. Jul 20 14:19:29 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Braha%27tok-class_gunship/Legends Jul 20 14:19:36    Article should be checked thoroughly for underlinking or incomplete linking. For example, the article links to "concussion missile launcher," when we have an article for concussion missile launcher. Jul 20 14:19:36    The History would certainly benefit from being divided up into two or more subsections. Jul 20 14:19:36    None of the ABY dates are referenced correctly Jul 20 14:19:36    StarWars.com Databank entry needs to be formatted correctly Jul 20 14:19:36    In the Appearances and Sources, the ROTJ PhotoComic needs to be formatted correctly, and the Starships & Vehicles issue needs to specify an entry, same as we do for Fact Files Jul 20 14:19:36    I think reference 2 infringes unnecessary far into original research. The DB says the vessel is 90 meters long. Just present what we know. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:00, July 19, 2019 (UTC) Jul 20 14:19:41 <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe Jul 20 14:19:43 <Toprawa> Probe² Jul 20 14:19:45 Probe / ecks probes. Jul 20 14:19:54 Gunship probed. Jul 20 14:20:03 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/First_Duel_in_the_Iron_Citadel Jul 20 14:20:11    For starters, the intro is humongous. I'm sure it probably looked better in Monobook, but the article needs to take the narrower margins of Oasis into consideration when writing the intro and how it looks with respect to the infobox. I'd estimate the intro should be cut by about 40-50%. Jul 20 14:20:11    The intro needs to be rewritten to avoid referring to this duel by a proper noun, since its name is conjectural. Jul 20 14:20:11    Digitize all comic images. Jul 20 14:20:11    None of the BBY dates are referenced correctly. Jul 20 14:20:11    General underlinking throughout Jul 20 14:20:11    No need to use bullet points on single items in the infobox Jul 20 14:20:11    BTS is unsourced. Additional things like publication dates and artist information would be nice. Jul 20 14:20:11    Format StarWars.com Databank entry correctly Jul 20 14:20:11    Format reference 5 correctly. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:00, July 19, 2019 (UTC) Jul 20 14:20:26 <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe Jul 20 14:20:27 <Toprawa> Probe² Jul 20 14:20:28 Probe / ecks probes. Jul 20 14:20:35 First Duel probed. Jul 20 14:20:40 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Raid_on_the_Iziz_Royal_Palace Jul 20 14:20:51    Intro should be rewritten to avoid referring to the battle by its conjectural name. For example, "A raid took place on the Iziz Royal Palace...etc." Jul 20 14:20:51    BBY dates are not referenced correctly Jul 20 14:20:51    Infobox bullet point usage needs to be cleaned up Jul 20 14:20:51     The intro is just way too massive. It probably doesn't need to be larger than two paragraphs. Jul 20 14:20:51    Digitize all comic images Jul 20 14:20:51    Infobox should avoid use of "Unidentified," which is OOU nomenclature Jul 20 14:20:51    Paragraph breaks would be nice in "The raid" and "Aftermath" Jul 20 14:20:51    BTS is unsourced. Additional things like publication dates and artist information would be nice. Jul 20 14:20:51    Articles need to be referenced by individual comic issue, not story arc. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:00, July 19, 2019 (UTC) Jul 20 14:21:09 <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe Jul 20 14:21:16 Probe / ecks probes. Jul 20 14:21:33 <Toprawa> Probe² Jul 20 14:21:50 Raid probed. Jul 20 14:21:57 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Second_Duel_in_the_Iron_Citadel Jul 20 14:22:08    The intro needs to be rewritten to avoid referring to this duel by a proper noun, since its name is conjectural. Jul 20 14:22:08    The BTS explains that the depiction of this duel from the TOR video incorrectly shows it taking place outside the citadel. If that's the case, I don't understand the rationale for using the video as the infobox image. Jul 20 14:22:08    Not all of the BBY dates are referenced correctly Jul 20 14:22:08    Redirects Jul 20 14:22:08    Missing archive links Jul 20 14:22:08    BTS unsourced. Publication date for first comic issue appearance would be nice. Jul 20 14:22:08    Articles need to be sourced completely by individual comic issue, not story arc Jul 20 14:22:08    Reference 9 needs to use TOR citation template. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:40, July 19, 2019 (UTC) Jul 20 14:22:22 <Toprawa> Probe² Jul 20 14:22:23 <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe Jul 20 14:22:24 Probe / ecks probes. Jul 20 14:22:31 Second Duel probed. Jul 20 14:22:40 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Shoaneb_Culu Jul 20 14:22:56    Digitize all comic images Jul 20 14:22:56    BBY dates are not referenced correctly Jul 20 14:22:56    Redirects Jul 20 14:22:56    The first body image isn't placed well, probably a relic of Monobook. Avoid indenting the next subsection header. Jul 20 14:22:56    Just a lot of general underlinking Jul 20 14:22:56    It would be appropriate to populate an Equipment section to detail her starfighter and any personal weaponry Jul 20 14:22:56    BTS is unsourced. Additional things like comic illustrator and date for first comic issue appearance would be nice. Jul 20 14:22:56    Appearances and referencing need to list and reference by individual comic issues, not story arcs. Jul 20 14:22:56    Remove "Possible indirect mention" item from Sources list. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:40, July 19, 2019 (UTC) Jul 20 14:23:12 <Toprawa> Probe² Jul 20 14:23:27 Probe / ecks probes. Jul 20 14:23:27 <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe Jul 20 14:23:52 Shoaneb Culu probed. Jul 20 14:24:14 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/A-3DO Jul 20 14:24:22    Digitize all comic images Jul 20 14:24:22    No BBY dates in the article. Certainly some could be introduced? Jul 20 14:24:22    General underlinking throughout Jul 20 14:24:22    Infobox-exclusive information Jul 20 14:24:22    Hard to believe another image couldn't be found for the first subsection Jul 20 14:24:22    This like author, illustrator credit and publication dates in the BTS would be nice. Jul 20 14:24:22    A little better description would be nice for the "Ambria" subsection title and the two image thumbnail captions. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:05, July 20, 2019 (UTC) Jul 20 14:24:33 <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe Jul 20 14:24:42 Probe / ecks probes. Jul 20 14:24:45 <Toprawa> Probe² Jul 20 14:24:51 A-3DO probed. Jul 20 14:24:59 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Koros_Major Jul 20 14:25:04    Digitize comic image. Jul 20 14:25:04    Infobox-exclusive information. Most significantly the BBY date. Jul 20 14:25:04    General underlinking throughout Jul 20 14:25:04    Single-item bullet points unnecessary in infobox Jul 20 14:25:04    Article layout needs to match Layout Guide battle format Jul 20 14:25:04    "The battle" section looks like it could be split up into at least two subsections, which would allow for additional quotes and/or images if available Jul 20 14:25:04    BTS not fully sourced. Publication date for first comic appearance would be nice. Jul 20 14:25:04    Format StarWars.com Databank entry correctly. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:05, July 20, 2019 (UTC) Jul 20 14:25:15 <Toprawa> Probe² Jul 20 14:25:17 Probe / ecks probes. Jul 20 14:25:19 <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe Jul 20 14:25:24 Battle of Koros Major probed. Jul 20 14:25:34 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Thannor_Keth Jul 20 14:25:40    Light and Shadow doesn't mention any BBY dates. The referencing for that item will need something more. Jul 20 14:25:40    BBY date exclusive to infobox Jul 20 14:25:40    Redlink Jul 20 14:25:40    General underlinking throughout Jul 20 14:25:40    BTS not fully sourced and should be revised to specify Legends with regard to canon mention Jul 20 14:25:40    Refs 2 and 3 need Citeweb or some kind of citation template. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:05, July 20, 2019 (UTC) Jul 20 14:25:56 <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe Jul 20 14:25:59 <Toprawa> Probe² Jul 20 14:26:05 Probe / ecks probes. Jul 20 14:26:10 Tannor Keth probed. Jul 20 14:26:37 Anyone else have anything? Jul 20 14:26:42 <Tommy-Macaroni> Not from me Jul 20 14:26:58 <Toprawa> Nothing Jul 20 14:27:07 Okay, cool. Jul 20 14:27:36 It looks like SE has meeting responsibilities. Jul 20 14:27:47 Thanks for attending. Jul 20 14:27:51 <Toprawa> Don't get your first strike, SE :P Jul 20 14:27:56 <Toprawa> Thanks for hosting, EJ Jul 20 14:28:01 No problem. Jul 20 14:28:23 <Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah, thanks EJ