User talk:LelalMekha

{| width="100%" style="background: transparent; "
 * valign="top" width="50%" style="background: #FEFFCF; border: 2px solid #000000; padding: .5em 1em; -moz-border-radius: 1em"|

Welcome LelalMekha!
Hello and welcome to Wookieepedia. I hope you like the place and choose to join our work. Here are a few good links for newcomers:
 * Internal pages:
 * Senate Hall
 * Wookieepedia FAQ
 * Manual of Style
 * Online sources
 * Guide to image use
 * Wookification
 * Things to do
 * Jundland Wastes Sandbox
 * What Wookieepedia is not
 * External Wikipedia pages:
 * How to edit a page
 * Editing, policy, conduct, and structure tutorial
 * How to write a great article

Remember that you should always sign your comments on talk and vote pages using four tildes, like this: ~.

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wookieepedian! If you have any questions, see the help pages, add a question to the Senate Hall, visit our official IRC channel, or ask me on my talk page. May the Force be with you! &mdash; Imp 13:32, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * }

User image
Your personal image is being considered for deletion pending not being used on Wookieepedia. If you would rather reuse it, it will not be deleted. --  Riffsyphon  1024 20:01, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Crado
No offense was meant, my friend. I was merely following a precedent I've seen where trivia is removed, especially on Featured Articles. In fact, I've specifically seen trivia referring to translation issues removed on articles like Pil Diller. I believe you, and I do know some French, so their choice to change his name makes sense to me. Feel free to revert my edit if you like.&mdash; Graestan  ( This party's over ) 19:37, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Fanon
-- Ozzel 09:14, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

New Otoh Gunga
The New Otoh Gunga article has already been deleted after going through the requisite one-week period for not having a proper source. Please provide a proper source for the article, or it will be deleted. Guidelines can be found here. Additionally, please do not create articles without providing a proper source. Just creating an article haphazardly to kill a redlink does not help. Thank you. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Even if it's only one source, that's all we need. Thank you for providing it. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:07, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I was up to adding it, but I wasn't quick enough ;)You're welcome LelalMekha 22:14, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Some Written Words
Hi Alban. Thank you for your kind words about The Written Word. As a fellow fan of constructed languages, I definitely understand your dissatisfaction with the way Star Wars languages have been handled; with other franchises having languages with grammars and phonologies that differ from English, the languages of Star Wars can seem lacking by comparison. While I would like to look at your work, I unfortunately can't look at fan-created versions of Star Wars languages for the same reasons that Star Wars story writers can't look at fan fiction. However, don't let that discourage your continued work on the project, and don't feel at all ashamed about working on constructed languages; it's an art form to be shared, not just a secret vice. jSarek 12:58, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Articles
Hey there. Thanks for the new articles that you have been writing. I just wanted to point out a couple of things to you. When linking to existing articles, please try to link to the actual article and not a redirect. Also, please check to see if an article already exists for something, albeit under a slightly different name. That way you can create a redirect page instead of a duplicate article. Keep up the good work. Let me know if you have any questions. Cylka  -talk- 10:17, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

User page fanon, again
1358 (Talk)  10:43, April 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, I'll just completely erase it, I guess it's easier that way. No time to write a new user page right now, and I don't really need it anyway. LelalMekha 22:11, April 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. 1358  (Talk)  22:12, April 29, 2011 (UTC)

Re:
Hi LelaMekha, thanks for the questions. I have the book in part, though I'm missing a few vital pages. As far as I'm aware he kills them aboard his family's starship, which is destroyed, the corpses along with it, and Plagueis, (who is an incredibly wealthy and influential buisisness man as well as a Sith Lord) uses his power to tie up the loose ends and conceal Palpy's involvement. In short, their deaths are put down to an accident. Don't hesitate to ask if you have further questions. Jayden Matthews 10:22, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Uploading images
When uploading files to the wiki, please heed the instructions on Special:Upload. Thank you. 1358 (Talk)  13:17, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Huttese writing system
Hmm, that's a toughie. My immediate thought is that, no, the font itself is not canon. The writing system itself obviously is, but only the elements of it which we have canonically seen in use. That said, you should be able to have a field day with the Bts section, and hopefully as TOR expands, we'll get to see enough of the script to have something comprehensive soon. jSarek 05:58, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, Lelal, if you link an email address to your user page, I can email you some screenshots I've taken of various Huttese graffiti on Coruscant and Nar Shaddaa. That might help you catalogue which letters have been canonized and which haven't yet. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 13:07, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Whoops -- I meant attaching an email address to your account via the "Preferences" options. If I were you, I'd remove the email address from your user page, since it's vulnerable to spambots that way. You should be able to attach an email such that people can email you through the site anonymously, which protects your privacy and spam-freeness that way. :) (That said, I'll try to email you some screenshots tonight or tomorrow.) ~ Savage BOB sig.png 14:45, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Sith writing
I honestly don't know whether we can make the assumption that it's High Sith. If the book just calls it Sith, it could be High Sith, or it could be some yet unseen variation on the language not covered by my article. I agree that finding a way to make it High Sith is currently the best solution given the available facts, but that's probably something that can only be made true by a retcon through official sources, not us. That's just my take on it, though. jSarek 11:17, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yoda's Challenge Activity Center
How's the project going? The youngling article looks good. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 13:18, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * As far as the informations are concerned, I think the article is complete (or nearly so). The only thing left is the text himself, that I find plain.LelalMekha 13:27, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * You want me to prepare a second draft? --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 13:59, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd be glad to see you do so.LelalMekha 14:06, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * All right, I'll get to it. I'll be working with the text as it stands now, OK? Any corrections you make, please mark them in bold, or in red (or both, that's what I do) so that they don't get lost. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 14:18, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have added my draft to my talk page. Take a look and tell me what you think. I also believe that the information must be added to the Yoda, Obi-Wan, Naboo, Padmé, Jar Jar, C-3PO and Anakin articles. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 15:35, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why, thank you. Its sounds like better English that way, not like my Hercule Poirotesque prose. I'm wondering if I should add pictures for every mission or not, lest it becomes just too much.LelalMekha 15:44, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Pictures are good, if you ask me. If not all of them fit, at least upload them so that they are available. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 15:52, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll try and see how it looks.LelalMekha 15:54, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Kallig
Where is it that developers assume that Sith characters will go full dark side, culminating in Kallig being bestowed the title Darth Nox. Post a link in the Kallig page that refers to it in detail. --Senjuto 14:30, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, hello to you too... The developers don't assume that. Wookieepedia does. It is not I who chose to put the assumption tag, so if you want to complain, I suggest you write on the talk page of the "Kallig" article rather than here.LelalMekha 20:11, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Qui-Gon
Understood. However, I couldn't tell because the mention of how Qui-Gon smelled and looked is not in the article. If it is something that you feel needs to go into the Traits and appearances section, then be bold and put it in (proof reading it first of course). Otherwise, you might want to specifically mention the quote's or related info's possible inclusion in the article first when discussing what the quote means. &mdash; Gethralkin  Hyperwave 23:34, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Unidentified young recruit
Hey. Just wanted to say good work with expanding this article. It is great to see. I hope that you will continue to work on it to make it as complete as possible. I would be happy to give you some tips if you want to think about making it into a Good article. --Eyrezer 10:21, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why, thank you. It would be a great matter of pride to turn it into a GA. I've already received assistance to transform my bad Hercule Poirot prose into proper English, but any other tips are most welcome indeed. LelalMekha 10:29, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool. Well my first suggestion is that the article needs to be sourced. This means that every item in the infobox, and every paragraph needs to have a reference tag to it. It looks like you know how to source, since you correctly added the sourcing for C-3PO's storytelling, but if you need any help, see Sourcing. My second suggestion is that there are too many subsections in the History. At the moment, every paragraph is its own sub-section. For the length of the article, I suggest two or possibly three sub-sections at the most. --Eyrezer 23:27, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Will do. I think my two new subdivisions will be: "Missions on Naboo" and "Missions on Tatooine" (or something like that). I'll be working on it in my sandbox first.--LelalMekha 08:49, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * You will have seen that a edited the references. The full reference style is only needed for the first reference, and then the abbreviated form, can be used. Some more suggestions: It would be good to see some of the quotes added back in for the condensed sub-sections. I also think that you could expand the Personality and traits section. At the moment, it seems to jump right in. Take a look at P&T sections in some other Jedi articles to see what is possible. --Eyrezer 11:31, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Great. I'll give it a copy-edit and see what else I can think of to improve it. --Eyrezer 09:46, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have made some changes based on what you already had there. Let me know if you think I misinterpreted anything. Some questions:
 * "... apparently sent by Jedi Knight Obi-Wan Kenobi." Does this refer to Yoda or the youngling? Is there an implication the Obi-Wan discovered the youngling?
 * "the youngling seemed to be a precocious child". What are you basing this on?
 * I am really curious about the Tiperoo. What role did it play in making the songs? --Eyrezer 11:38, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. I found a youtube clip of the game and made some more edits to the article based on that. I have slightly modified the title as the opening scroll calls the individual a "young new recruit". I suggest you move the article to Unidentified young new recruit to match that. I also changed the Conjecture template to a Nickname template accordingly. Another change was to add the Gamemechanics template. That is all that I can do. If you were to copy this across to the proper namespace and nominate it as a Good article, I would support it. You can still expect to get objections and suggestions, but I think it is good enough to make it through. Let me know if I can help further. --Eyrezer 11:26, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Skere Kaan
I understand. It's not a huge deal to me, and if you feel like you can make the case that it was an obvious reference that the author was trying to make or that a buch of fans noticed, it's usually okay to add that kind of stuff (the way you worded it was perfectly fine). I only reverted it in this instance because I have a hard time imagining that that was Jason Fry's intent, or that many fans would see the name and immediately think "ah, yes... The Jungle Book". However, I'm obviously not the final authority on such things, so if you would really like for it to be included, I would recommend that you bring the matter up on the talk page and see if any other community members think that the connection is notable enough for its addition to not violate WP:TRIVIA. Cheers! Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 09:42, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi LelaMekha, it may be of interest to you to know that Jason Fry has announced that he will publish his endnotes for TEGTW next week, and my guess would be that he will probably state in them whether he intended Kaan's name as a reference to the Jungle Book. --Jinzler 10:37, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why, thank you for this piece of information, Jinzler. Obviously, I wasn't the only one thinking there was something there. ^^ "Genn-Ghis Kaan" or "Kooh-bluh Kaan" would have been fine too. ;-) --LelalMekha 10:41, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Unidentified young recruit: nearly there
No need to thank me, you did all the work. Actual research towers over minor corrective work in the difficulty department. Have you added the information from the game to the referenced articles? I can do that if you haven't. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 11:20, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's my take on the Binks part:

"Following the resolution of the Naboo crisis, Jar Jar Binks became involved with the restoration of peace on the planet. With the help of a precocious Jedi youngling, General Binks set up traps in the Sacred Forest for the last operational battle droids. As a key player in the reconciliation between the two cultures of Naboo, Jar Jar Binks participated in the Victory Races; mounted on a kaadu, he competed against Queen Amidala on a tusk cat."

"Ambush on Tatooine (Darth Maul)" looks fine to me. It's exhaustively sourced and contains no errors. I don't know what's wrong with it. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 12:44, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Any help you might want, just let me know. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 13:30, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, seeing as you're working on the article in your sandbox page, I just wanted point out the changes I made to the article to clean it up. Firstly, reference tags in the infobox should be enclosed in this template as shown: . Also, if a field in an infobox is not used then it should simply be left blank, not deleted. There were numerous cases of missing context (which isn't a content problem, more to do with writing style that would be picked up in a GAN review for example) such as "...who were protecting Queen Amidala. According to the trace, Maul knew the Naboo royal starship was headed for..."&mdash;there is no apparent link between Amidala and the Naboo starship. Specifying that she was the Queen of Naboo and that the ship was hers makes it much clearer. Your linking could also be better; per the Manual of Style, everything should be linked once in the infobox, intro and main body. You should also link directly to the article in question, not redirects; you can enable a gadget that colours them orange for convenience. Linking to the plural of things like assassin droids should be done as assassin droid s because article titles are generally not plural. Hopefully this advice is of some use, otherwise keep up the good work!  nayayen ★talk  13:57, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Book of Sith pics
I noticed that you uploaded a quality scan from Book of Sith, and was wondering whether you could upload some more. For example, there is one that perfectly illustrates the Order of the Sith Lords in the Rule of Two section (the one with the agents of the underground), and those great portraits of the alternative Force traditions (Nightbrothers, Prophets, Shapers etc) in the Wild Power section, of which only one (Sorcerers of Rhand) is in use on the website. Cheers. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 15:22, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * The ones I mention above are the ones that seemed to pop out the most. The one with the Sith figure looming over the various shady intergalactic types is perfect for the Grand Plan -- it basically illustrates the Grand Plan. In any case, I don't want to bother you with this, I just wanted you to know that there is a dearth of potentially useful pictures from that book here. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 21:16, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * RE:Metamorphosis. Beat you there! I was already working on it. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 21:24, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Je ne sais pas pour les beaux esprits, mais les wookieepediens par excellence sure do! --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 21:49, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Doesn't it look great?
 * I don't know where it should be, but the "magic" of the Nightsisters is described as illusion not only in Infinity's End, but also in the cartoon. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 22:16, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll admit it: Originally I had captioned the picture thus: "The Witch-Queen of Endor uses the Talisman of the Raven to turn herself into a beautiful princess." But I figured, I'm unpopular as it is on this site as it is! Anyway, you are right, of course. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 22:32, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

RE:A Nightsisters Wookieeproject?
I'm afraid I'll be terribly busy from tomorrow (which is why I'm editing now, while I still have time). Plus, I am also bound to clash with others, as it is perfectly clear to me that the Nightsisters are frauds. With the exception of the old Ewoks sources of course, witches are presented as Force-users with the "handicap" of incantations and hand/wand-waving, as well as a with a particular knack for illusion-casting, not as the absurd High Fantasy nigh-omnipotent supervillains the new cartoon has made them (in direct contradiction, may I add, to the very spirit of SW). The way I see it, every mention of a phantasmagoric wizardly feat should be treated as a mind trick, per all the sources that describe the Nightsisters as illusionists, and, per the original source (The Courtship of Princess Leia), pretty weak in terms of Force use as well. But not everyone agrees, right? In any case, I'm willing to help with anything Nightsister related, provided I can spare the time. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 14:42, April 18, 2012 (UTC) I will gladly join such a project if you get it started after I have gotten through the worst part of the two jobs I'll be doing within the coming month. However, I cannot help but making it clear in every relevant witch-related article, that the Force and illusions are behind their powers, per all sources up to the cartoon. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 15:03, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh if only they had stopped with Merlin! Merlin was, after all, half-demon, and therefore his powers can be explained in a framework perfectly logical according to the theology of the Middle Ages. But in Star Wars, there is no framework for superpowers so exotic compared to the Force as seen in the films! Imagine if Vader were to turn into Draculesque green mist during the original Star Wars&mdash;some success that film would have been! Or if he had been cyber-transformed with magic mist and not through surgery in Revenge of the Sith! Ah, I'm ranting....

Ambush on Tatooine
Hi there, sorry for the delay. I've had a read through and a small copyedit of the article and have a few things for a "pre-nom" review.
 * The introduction is too short compared to the length of the rest of the article. Expanding it to be roughly the same sort of length as the Prelude or Aftermath sections should be sufficient.
 * "According to the trace," -What is the trace you're talking about? Just a little bit of context is needed, so if it was something Sidious gave him you could just add "provided by his master" to it.
 * The mention of the assasin droids currently sounds as if he encountered them outside his ship rather than, what I assume to be the case, them being droids he used for his training.
 * "The Sand People were so bewildered they just couldn't react." -The tone of this line really isn't suitable for an encyclopedia and should be rewritten.
 * That should be it for a preliminary review (and I'm a little tight on time while writing this) but, otherwise, it's an impressive job for a first effort. Let me know (on this talk page, it's in my watchlist) when you've addressed those four things and I'll have another look if you want.  nayayen ★talk  16:28, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * There you are. I tried to fix the points you've mentioned here. About the trace, I must confess all the sources are quite silent. Darth Maul's journal basically says he is not allowed to reveal its source, but merely says Sidious was gifted enough to "guess" where the Jedi had gone. The rest is yours to see in the article. Cheers, and thank you again.--LelalMekha 18:40, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Re:About a GANom (unidentified young new recruit)
Sure, I could review it. I'm currently working my way up the list on the GAN page, so I'll be sure to review the new recruit article.  JangFett  (Talk) 15:54, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries. :)  JangFett  (Talk) 16:07, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Quoi de neuf ?
I've been busy, so I guess I've been on a "Wookiee-vacation" too. It's good for the soul! I see you have brought the site under the dark spell of the Nightsisters -- I like it. Can I vote for the recruit article, or is that considered a faux pas because I worked on it? Also, remember that thing about Charal turning into a beautiful princess? What if it's supposed to be this thing? Doesn't the book mention that a talisman could also be a cloak? I know it's against a whole pile of rules to put it in the article, just saying. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 12:11, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * I voted anyway. I'll take a look at the article when I have the time. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 13:19, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Good to know you're still on the Nightsisters!


 * 1) "Consort" implies Charal had a legitimate sexual relationship with a monarch. It's your word, and I didn't change it because there was a source. If a source says "consort," that's their problem. (Maybe they broke up before the film? They are about 100 years old, after all, lots of time for romantic troubles.) If not, "consort" would be inaccurate.
 * 2) I don't know about the crash. Is there a source specifying anything? I rather prefer the intro version, but I don't think it's accurate. Just a hunch.
 * 3) As for the technology thing, that's a conflict with the Ewok movies and later sources. Nightsisters are presented as half-primitivists, having consciously rejected technology on philosophical grounds (like the Vong) but using it when it suits their purposes (unlike the Vong). But back in '85, Charal was not supposed to be any sort of "Nightsister," and she's presented as a technological imbecile. Although I do remember her being conscious of the fact that the oscillator was not some kind of all-powerful entity as Terak believed, and chanting into it only to stall him. Am I mistaken? God, I don't want to watch that film again! --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 16:22, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, the timeline is wrong, I think. "One of our sisters has yet to return the Talisman" may imply that she took it from a previous Witch Queen (Zalem? her predecessor?) about 80 years before Talzin wrote Wild Power, and she (Talzin) inherited the missing magical items list from Zalem, not that she personally gave it to Charal 80 years ago. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 16:31, May 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) I though Fact Files were written in French originally. Anyway, I like the idea of freaky inter-species supercentenarian sexual relationships in kids' films, and I do hope some source says "consort!"
 * 2) YES, SHE CAME WITH THEM. 1st vague (Why, "no she didn't"?), 2nd positive, 3rd explicitly states ignorance. We have a winner in the source that states it definitely. It's clear to me if there are no other sources to contradict it.
 * 3) Well, the Sanyassans also arrived on a spaceship, and they also talk about "the power" when referring to the oscillator. It's just bad continuity, I think. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 22:51, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * As much as I may think ill of myself for having watched those films as an adult, I also remember them fondly. I know I will return to them when I find myself in that curb of life where one needs immersion in the comfort of childhood (or rather, child-like) memories to get on with life. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 23:10, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Unidentified young new recruit

 * Ah, my first GA! It's worth a celebration. :-) I'm looking forward to working on more of them.--LelalMekha 13:19, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Good work, LelalMekha! Always nice to have your first status article passed. By the way, the article is actually long enough to qualify as a Featured article (1,088 words currently), if you were interested in nominating it there, too. Obviously, it would need to go through the review process there, which you may not have the appetite for, but it is an option. It would probably need a longer introduction if you were to go down that path, but perhaps not too much else. Something to think about. --Eyrezer 14:33, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

Re: A piece of advice
Well, since both articles are over 250 words, they would have to be Good Article nominations. Just looking at them, however, I have two suggestions: I'd try not to use the word "this" - try introducing them as "A so-so" or something similar. And also, Menk will no doubt want more quotes, so I'd figure out if that was possible and look for some. Cade  Calrayn   14:43, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Galactic Showcase
The Galactic Showcase was a program the moderators at the official SWG forums had that allowed player's to show off their decorating expertise for all to see. Player's chosen would receive an in-game "badge" to signify they were chosen. Anything featured in them should not be considered canon because most it was written by players and not actually featured in the game proper (as in added to the game by the developers).  OLIOSTER  (talk) 15:56, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Ewoks
Hello! I would be happy to pre-nom Talisman of the Raven. I absolutely love that you're working on articles related to Ewoks: The Battle for Endor. The film is a guilty pleasure of mine, too; I recently wrote Salak Weet and I plan to write Noa Briqualon soon. :D I saw on Cade's talk page that you want to take the two Sanyassans who shoot each other to Good article status --- do it! Do it do it do it!

I have a couple of preliminary questions before I dive deep into the article:
 * Since the article is about the Talisman of the Raven, can you introduce the Talisman earlier in the "Properties" section? I feel like it should be one of the first things the article mentions, but it's not introduced until the second paragraph.
 * "who may or may not have been Talzin." At first glance, this seems like speculation. What does Book of Sith actually say? Can you word it so that it doesn't seem like it's speculation?
 * Right now, most of the third paragraph of "History" (including info about the Battle between the Sanyassans and the Ewoks) uses Book of Sith as a reference. Is this correct? Shouldn't it be sourced to The Battle for Endor?
 * On that note, "while Charal was trapped in raven form." is sourced to The Battle for Endor. Does the movie actually say that she's trapped forever, or is this info from another source?
 * The captions of images shouldn't include punctuation at the end unless a complete sentence is being used. Currently, none of the image captions are complete sentences, but they all end with periods.

OK! Those are some preliminaries. Think about them and let me know here, and then I'll dive deeper into the article. :) Menkooroo 02:18, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey! I'm really sorry, but I won't be on the Wook all that much over the next two weeks. I don't think I have time to finish the pre-nom. Sorry! Menkooroo 17:56, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't be sorry, I'll be kind of busy myself anyway. It can wait. ;-) --LelalMekha 18:02, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm back! Do you still want me to take a look at the article? I have time now; hooray! Menkooroo 01:07, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Dan Wallace and the Nightsisters
As you say, the issue here is authorial intent which is generally unclear. The fact is that various sources since Courtship have shown the history of the Nightsisters to be more than what is revealed in the novel, so Wallace's comments are in line with the new, revised Nightsister history anyway. His comments on Gethzerion's placement in the history should be in the BTS at least, but a case could be made to include it in the bio since Darth Bane's article uses Drew Karpyshyn comments on Bane's final fate as a reference. Just remember to link to the actual tweet url (obtained by clicking the details link under the tweet) rather than the feed itself. - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 11:59, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

Image categories
Hey, Lelal! I'm really glad you've been uploading lots of images from The Old Republic and Ewoks books and movies. Please be sure to add categories to the images you upload, though. Otherwise, the images become incredibly hard to find for other users. You should try to add categories for the subject of the image, the artist (if applicable), and the source. For instance, most of the Ewoks children's book images should fit into Category:Images by Toni Scribner, Category:Images from The Ring, the Witch, and the Crystal: An Ewok Adventure, subject categories like Category:Images of Sanyassans and Category:Images of Teek, and Category:Children's book illustrations. Keep up the good work! ~ Savage  16:45, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, you're absolutely right of course. I usually do categorize images, but I've been unacceptably ... lazy lately. :$ --LelalMekha 17:50, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Charal copy edit
Hey, Lelal. I finally got the chance to give Charal a look and copy edit what you've done so far. And it's good! Most of the changes I made were not related to grammar or usage. Instead, I made a lot of changes that I probably would have made during a copy edit of a native speaker's article. Your English (at least written) is very good, so keep it up! If you have any specific questions about why I changed something or another, please don't hesitate to ask. That's how we learn languages after all! I look forward to seeing Charal nominated for FA soon. :) ~ Savage  15:07, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Yavin
The article is actually around 323 words, so it can't be a CA&mdash;you'd have to try for a GAN. Looks good otherwise. Cade  Calrayn   19:00, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * For word count, everything counts except the infobox, section headings, the table of contents box, sources and appearances, and image captions. Basically, everything in the intro to the BTS, excluding section headings and captions. I count by copying the text from the intro to the BTS and paste it in MS Word, then cut out the section headings, ToC box, and captions to get a word count. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 19:09, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that'd be good. If they're worshiping the gas giant, then that should be the infobox image. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 19:25, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Yavin GA review
No problem at all, you did a very good job working through those objections. Feel free to let me know if you ever have any questions; I look forward to seeing more from you! Cheers, Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 15:03, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Certainly&mdash;it's actually in quite good shape; I just found a few things:
 * I'd give the intro some expansion. Flesh out the paragraphs a bit more, and be a bit more chronological in your presentation of events (e.g. you could mention the Talisman when you first mention that she desereted the Nightsisters)
 * Your verb usage is good; I just found one mistake: "Hunted like an animal, Charal spent decades moved from star system to star system across the galaxy&hellip;" ("moved" should be "moving")
 * When you say things like: "A century before the Battle of Endor," make sure to provide a link to the actual date; and even if just an approximate date is known, it can still be beneficial to say something like "Around 96 BBY"
 * The following sentence is a bit rough: "When the offworlder did so, Terak was not pleased by the deaths of his men, so Szingo intended to put the blame on his witchy foe." "Witchy" sounds a bit POV (an insult instead of a rank). I would suggest rewording it to something along the lines of: "As Terak was displeased by the deaths of his men, Szingo intended to place the blame on Charal."
 * Rank capitalization is somewhat complicated: if the article "the" is included in the statement (as in: "shielding herself from the king's wrath") then the title should not be capitalized. However, when the article "the" is left out (as in "Their leader, Terak, set himself up as King, occupying a primitive castle in the plains of the Dragon's Pelt.") then the rank should be capitalized. (Note that this ruling doesn't apply to terms that are always capitalized, such as "Nightsister," "Jedi Knight," "Sith Lord," "Mandalore," etc.; but it does apply to things like "King," "Queen," "President," "Captain," "Lieutenant," "Officer," "Ensign," etc.)
 * I'd suggest combining the "Life on Endor," "Charal's poultice," and "The Witch and the Imperials" subsections into just one or two sections.
 * You have a bit of over- and under-linking throughout the article.
 * "Indeterminate age" is POV/OR, unless we know of an IU character who was unable to determine her age; in which case you'd need to tell us who that character was and the date when they found Charal's age to be indeterminate
 * The last sentence of the P&T needs to be sourced.
 * That's it from me; there are a few very minor tweaks that I can make in a copyedit once you nominate it. Go ahead and put it on the FAN whenever you're ready. :) Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 16:13, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Good deal&mdash;personally, I'm alright with the 2nd level subsections as you have them now, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone objects to "The Witch and the Imperials" on the basis that it consists of a single paragraph. Regarding her age: I would suggest saying something like "Her appearance was of an indeterminate age"&mdash;that will still get the point across, because the problem with saying just outright that her age was indeterminate is that it's very possible (even with that canon statement) that she personally knew her own age. As for the last sentence of the P&T: if you can find some instances that show the Nightsisters in the presence of technology, and then some other instances that show them intentionally neglecting to use it, then you can source it with a statement pointing out thosee instances. If not, then yeah, it would probably be best to remove. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 15:00, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Awesome; looks good. The only things left that I can think to make note of for you to know for the future are: remember that after mentioning a character for the first time, we're supposed to stick to using last names, and not first (exceptions to this are only in situations where that could be very confusing due to multiple characters having the same surname for very large portions&mdash;or all&mdash;of an article); also, make sure you put everything in the intro and infobox in the main body, too (the Sanyassans being on the run from law enforcement agencies was in the intro, but not body; and Charal's height was in the infobox, but not body). Good work, again. :) And since I have no further objections, I'll support as soon as you nom it. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 17:02, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

BTM
Indeed. Can I have whatever info is available on Bursk and Narthax? Those are two of the snowtroopers killed by Wampas in an ESB deleted scene, if you otherwise weren't sure. Hanzo Hasashi 20:45, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks in advance. :) Hanzo Hasashi 20:50, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help. :) Yeah, I was expecting just the scene mentioned and the pictures, and doubted them being mentioned by name. Hanzo Hasashi 21:42, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I could use them in the BTS sections. Hanzo Hasashi 14:40, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, even though Bursk is said to be the leader of one of the most brutal platoons, maybe he wasn't the group leader itself. Take a look here, Bursk is the one behind Narthax. As you have the BTM photos, would you be able to tell, with that image as reference, which one is the one who opens the door? Hanzo Hasashi 15:28, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yodapedia doesn't source their screenshots. Ugh that clip only shows one of them going in, when canonically all of them did. From the BTM photos, would you also be able to make the same conclusion? I consider that Youtube clip unreliable when it comes to canon. Hanzo Hasashi 15:43, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the scene itself is canon, but not in the way it's presented as the deleted scene? Interestingly Sompeetalay did not seem to be aware of the One Step Ahead story, and yet on Yodapedia he also acknowledged both Bursk and Narthax being attacked by the Wampas, with those images as reference. Hanzo Hasashi 15:51, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Do the BTM images also make it obvious Narthax is the one who opens the door? Hanzo Hasashi 15:56, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well it appears obvious that the Yodapedia images are of the obsolete deleted scene. With no evidence otherwise, I guess I'll go back to treating Bursk as the leader then. Hanzo Hasashi 16:06, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * From comparing the images you uploaded and the clip, you are right, those images are not stills from that clip. For reference, the One Step Ahead story mentions all the stormtroopers as being killed. Deleted scenes clips aren't always canon, see Shaak Ti as an example: different deleted deaths in RotS, but canonically survived to be killed in the Force Unleashed game. Hanzo Hasashi 16:19, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that! I assumed that was most likely the case, but just wasn't sure if there was any way to tell. Hanzo Hasashi 16:53, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * But... The most canon version we have is the "One step ahead" sotry. And it says: "Their leader, a veteran of the Akuria II garrison, tested on many frigid worlds, led his men to the sealed door. He savored the moment as he punched the controls. It will take more than mere locks to stop an Imperial blizzard. The door slid open, and the troops filed into the chamber with military efficiency." If you combine this text and Bursk's SWCCG (which says he was the leader), it seems quite sure that there is a discrepançy between what was said and what was shown. -LelalMekha 17:04, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Being the leader of one of the most brutal platoons might not necessarily mean he led that specific group. Hanzo Hasashi 17:15, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * From IRC discussion: Bursk was a Sergeant Major, making him second-in-command to the platoon lieutenant. Narthax commanded a squad. Both were therefore leaders, albeit Narthax of a smaller subsection of the whole unit. Hanzo Hasashi 17:35, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Thanks for all your help. :-) Hanzo Hasashi 17:44, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Wand
Hey there! I archived Logray's ceremonial wand as a failed CAnomination. You can bring it to the GAN page any time. The procedure for archiving failed CAnoms can be found here. Cheers! Menkooroo 00:52, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

List of owners
Hey there! The chronological lists of owners in Threepio's and Artoo's articles were really just leftover relics from the early days of Wookieepedia, in the days before the Layout Guide and before our standards were as high as they are now. These days, bulleted lists of any kind are discouraged --- if they can be turned into prose, then they should be, but in this case, the information was already present in the "Biography" section. I made a big update to R2-D2 today, and I believe that every one of his owners is now listed in "Biography." I'm going to make the same update to C-3PO later tonight.

The sections were neat and kind of fun, but at the same time, they were trivia, and it's hard to justify keeping trivia sections. Does that make sense? Menkooroo (talk) 01:49, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, I've (finally!) looked at Talisman of the Raven again. Sorry for the delay. I have just a few small things:
 * The first paragraph of "Properties" is good, but I'd like to see it flat-out say that the Talisman is a ring with a red gemstone right off the bat. It should also be explicitly stated that the Talisman of the Raven is a Talisman of Transformation; right now, the intro says so but the body only implies it.
 * Can the bit in properties about "the user would be trapped in raven form" be sourced to The Battle for Endor? I'm thinking it could use Charal's Databank entry as another source, like in the "History" section.
 * I think the "who may or may not have been Talzin" bit should be left out. I see where you're coming from, but it's basically just speculation.
 * "He ordered his minions to recapture the crystal oscillator and seized the ring in order to keep Charal in bird form so she would track the group without betraying him and running away." Doesn't he first take the ring before he places her in prison?
 * In the second paragraph of "History" --- you've done a good job of summarizing the events of the film, but I think it can be summarized even further. Giving the names of and context on Noa and Teek doesn't seem too necessary for the purposes of this article; stating that she was rescued by "her friends" would probably be enough.
 * A really good job overall! Think about these objections and let me know. Menkooroo 02:14, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes! Nominate it. Don't let me slow you down any more. :P Menkooroo 17:46, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi! I'll actually be away from my copies of Insider for the next two weeks. Sorry... if you can wait, I'll be happy to provide the info as soon as I get home. Menkooroo (talk) 00:42, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Heh, don't worry, I'll give her a proper review within the week. By the way, did I ever mention how much I love the fact that you're tackling so many topics from The Battle for Endor? Surely you're going to GAN the two card-players? Do Terak next! Menkooroo (talk) 00:50, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Sith language
The article is looking pretty good. Alas, the newer information and the stuff I wrote for The Written Word don't jive together too well; I'd love a chance someday to go back and revisit the language and smooth out the rather gaping disparities. In the meantime, a Bts note discussing the various forms of the written language would probably be warranted. jSarek (talk) 20:17, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Spelling
No sweat. It's not like "Sanyassans" is in the spell-check. Enochf (talk) 22:10, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

CSD
I don't think there was an edit conflict involved, but we both were adding in a CSD template to that one article. :P Sorry for any confusion if you saw my edit a few minutes after yours.  JangFett  (Talk) 15:22, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * haha yeah. :P In the RC page, I saw that you edited the article and placed a CSD tag on it so I reverted my edit.  JangFett  (Talk) 15:29, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Ewoks
Hey, no problem. I have a soft spot for the Ewoks films, and particularly The Battle for Endor, so I'm happy to help out in any way I can. :) Menkooroo (talk) 20:01, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Flag of Dathomir
I agree, it is a little odd, but unfortunately, no real context regarding it was given in the game. Players could buy storyteller props to place on planets, and some of these included flags. The one we're talking about was simply called, "Dathomir Flag." The flag could also be seen flying at the planet's Science Outpost and Trade Outpost. If you go to those articles, you can faintly see the flags in the pictures.

I suppose you could make the case that the flag was simply the one the Empire wished to use as the planet's official standard (the symbol looks somewhat like an Imperial emblem), but that's speculation. I think the best way to look at is to see it as A flag of Dathomir, rather than the flag. There may have been other factions who wished to use a different flag to represent the planet, but as of now, it seems this flag is the only official one to represent Dathomir. StarsiderSWG (talk) 17:40, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Sith Picture
Thank you LelalMekha! That picture is indeed useful. I was trying to upload the exact one infact a month or so ago, but it didn't work, so that is greatly appreciated. Nice work adding pictures from the book! —Obi–wan Jacobi  ( Talk ) 02:23, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * That may be useful, thank you. I might be able to add it under the Massassi section in Sith species, and in the Massassi article. I am not sure whether the Massassi shown in Book of Sith is now a misrepresentation or a retcon, as both SWTOR Timelines and Book of Sith have chosen to show brutish, hunched Massassi rather than the tall, lithe versions that they should be using from Tales of the Jedi. The future will tell. —Obi–wan Jacobi  Jedi_Symbol_Dark_Chrome.JPG ( Talk ) 20:40, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you again! Oh, and AGREED on all of what you said then. I am glad there are others that feel that way!! —Obi–wan Jacobi  Jedi_Symbol_Dark_Chrome.JPG ( Talk ) 10:36, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Extensions
In the future, please don't upload an image without first making the extension lower case. Thanks!  OLIOSTER  (talk) 18:03, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not a big deal, just what is preferred. Gal-icon.jpg  OLIOSTER  (talk) 18:11, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Sanyassans SWG
Hey, sure thing. Just let me know what questions you have and I'll answer them when I get the chance. StarsiderSWG (talk) 22:06, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll get you more info on the Sanyassan's soon, but I just wanted to clarify that in the SWG quest dialogue given by Terak, Indar was referred to as a "he." I do admit Indar looks a lot like the female Sanyassan. I'll try to find more gender based images of Sanyassan's just to see what characteristics they do have. Also, there's lots of similarities between the Sanyassan and the Sayormi, that it's often difficult to distinguish which ones were which in SWG. Generally speaking, any Sayassan-like characters added with Rage of the Wookiees were Sayormi, and not Sanyassan. Anyways I'll get you more info, but based off of the current info, Indar was a male, at least as far as the dialogue was concerned. StarsiderSWG (talk) 23:31, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Honestly, now that I think about it, it's quite possible that the only know image of Indar was merely a randomly generated depiction of a Sanyassan. Refer to the Haro Whitesun article's BTS as an example. Lots of old quests in SWG (the Marauder themepark was among the first quests ever to be in SWG), featured randomly generated characters selected from a set of spawn templates. So while Indar IS a male from an in-universe perspective (as we give more priority to the dialogue in SWG, rather than random graphical models), the image of Indar should maybe be placed in the BTS as an example of a randomly-generated depiction. Another example is the Bent Spur article, if you don't know what I mean. This was generally only true of dynamically spawned characters involved in the old kill-deliver-escort quests of SWG.StarsiderSWG (talk) 23:38, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * One other thing for now. I looked through my folders, and there is this old screenshot of Indar, which looks like the one in the article. So I'm not yet 100% sure it was a randomly-generated depiction (as what are the odds of them looking the same in 2 completely different screenshots), but I'll look into it some more. StarsiderSWG (talk) 23:44, July 12, 2012 (UTC) Indar2.jpg
 * Yeah, and if you look at Walda (who is most likely a Sayormi however), she shares a lot of the female characteristics you describe. Even if Indar always spawned a female Sanyassan, the depiction is still erroneous (given Terak keeps calling Indar a he), and should probably be moved down the BTS section and given a brief explanation. StarsiderSWG (talk) 23:49, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm just going to fill you in on a bit more info on Sanyassan's from SWG:
 * 1) In the game, there were only 5 named Sanyassan's: Terak, Szingo, and Jorak (They appeared at the Marauder Stronghold), and of course Indar. Then there was Macchbraus, who lived in a camp on Endor.
 * 2) Macchbraus basically betrayed the Marauders by giving a quest which revealed the secrets of two types of Marauder armor: Reconnaissance armor (which looks like the one Terak wears) and Assault armor (which looks like the one Macchbraus wears). Battle armor was a third type of Marauder armor, but its designs were not secret, and could be created by the galaxy at large. I'll create/expand articles on these armor suits during the week. Sanyassan's weren't the only beings to wear Marauder armor. The Blackguard would wear parts of it, as well as other factions. Usually only the helmet though.
 * 3) Sanyassan's only appeared on Endor in SWG in the Marauder Stronghold, the Orphaned Marauder's Cave, and Macchbraus' camp.
 * 4) Vartonis may or may not have been a Sanyassan. He could have been Sayormi. Either way, you may want to mention that Sanyassan's had the potential for Force sensitivity.
 * 5) Also, you may be interested in this Sanyassan skull image. I'll upload a cleaned up and cropped version later.
 * 6) I will give some more info later on the type of Sanyassan's that inhabited the Orphaned Marauder's Cave, as well as some other tidbits.StarsiderSWG (talk) 00:41, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, some more info for you:
 * 1) After checking out the TRE files, there are indeed subcategories of Sanyassan Marauders that appeared on Endor. I do not know exactly where these Marauders appeared. Some probably appeared in the Orphaned Marauder Cave, and others across the wilderness of Endor. A few of the subcategories of Sanyassan's I can confirm appeared in SWG included:
 * Feral marauders
 * Blood crazed plains marauders
 * Frenzied marauders
 * Grassland blood marauders
 * Wandering desert marauders (I'm going to say could be found in the game's Salma Desert)
 * Wasteland marauders
 * All of the above wore some type of Marauder armor. "Berserk marauders" may have been another subcategory.
 * 1) Unfortunately, while I do have images of the Orphaned Marauder Cave in my folders which I will upload, I actually don't have many images of Sanyassans, and there actually aren't that many online that aren't already on Wookieepedia. That one image of the female Sanyassan in the main article is of a Sanyassan from the Orphaned Marauder Cave. It's the only clear image of a true female Sanyassan that I know of from SWG. However, in the Orphaned Marauder Cave article, some of the images you can see Sanyassans.
 * 2) This link contains some info on Marauders in the SWG portion of Star Wars Insider ( http://www.rpgplanet.com/starwars/articles/swi/swi-swg2.htm )
 * 3) Checking out the DDS files in the TRE files does confirm that the female Sanyassan's had the smoother skin appearance.
 * 4) Originally, the Developers were considering adding a Marauder Heroic to SWG, which would have involved King Terak. However, it was never implemented. To the right is a painting of King Terak which would have been added as a redeemable decorative item for completing the heroic. MarauderKing.jpg
 * 5) There was also a weapon called the Marauder Sword, but I'm not yet sure if it was related to the Sanyassan's
 * 6) That's all I can think of. But if you have any questions, let me know. StarsiderSWG (talk) 17:21, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Re: E-mail references
You can use e-mails as references, provided you post the e-mail on the article's subpage, or provide a screen shot of the e-mail. We use e-mail references often. :)  Trak Nar  Ramble on 08:03, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep, that would work. Let an admin know when you post it so that way it can be locked to prevent editing.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 08:47, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Done and done. Sorry it took me longer than planned.  I was out yesterday and got back late tonight.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 04:39, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

French GBG
Well, firstly, I would not trust a third party transcription. There may be errors and the like. Secondly, I would inquire as to whether or not one of our editors has access to the game and can confirm the references being included on not (sadly, I do not own the game, so therefore cannot check). Thirdly, generally we accept such references from foreign language publications. For example, some unique information from the German-language editions of the Official Star Wars Fact Files had been added to articles (Sedriss QL comes to mind here). As long the BTS details the usage and history of the article, it should be fine. - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 18:46, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Charal
Lelal! A big congrats on your first Featured Article. Fantastic job, and we all hope to see many more from you. Bring on the Sanyassans! Menkooroo (talk) 21:22, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I sure will. I still have several projects, including Sanyassan, B'rknaa and Hakagram Graush. ;-) --LelalMekha (talk) 21:35, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Speaking of Sanyassans, here's what Who's Who in Galaxies has to say: "On a forest moon where the strong survive, Terak is king. Terak rules the Marauders by virtue of his size and strength; he is taller and more powerful than any of them. But Terak has also forged an alliance with the shapeshifting Dathomiri witch Charal. There is a subtle balance of power between Terak and Charal, and both use every opportunity they can to gain the upper hand. Terak possesses an ancient scroll that he believes will one day give him the power to conquer the stars as he has "conquered" Endor. All he needs to do is unlock the scroll's secrets. He has concluded that what he needs is a source of power. His quest for "The Power" is what caused him to forge his alliance with Charal&mdash;and also what keeps him at odds with the Ewoks and their castaway human friends. Terak mistakenly believes that the shipwrecked humans living on Endor have the Power, and that they know how to make it work. What he doesn't realize, of course, is that his ancient scroll is a bluepring for a starship, and The Power is literally the energy matrix that would allow his starship to leave Endor. There's also a picture of Galaxies-Terak. Hope this helps! Menkooroo (talk) 21:45, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you. I'll see what I can do. Sanyassan will be a FANom, so I'll keep working on it for a long time. Hakagram Graush and B'rknaa, on the other hand, will be GANoms. If you're interested in having a look on one of those two, your thorough reviews are always welcome and much useful.--LelalMekha (talk) 21:50, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wait, there's more. There's a picture of three Marauder Guards and the following text: "The Marauders are a band of reptilian humanoids whose ancestors were long ago shipwrecked on the forest moon of Endor. They have been stranded for so long that they cannot remember how to get home, let alone where home is. Their leader, King Terak, has plans to build a mighty machine to take them back, but he lacks the power source to make it work. In their leader's quest for "The Power," the Marauders wage a protracted war on the Ewoks of Endor. The Marauders have an advantage in their size and strength, but the Ewoks are quick and cunning, and occasionally they receive aid from some shipwrecked humans living on the forest moon. Still, the Marauders have captured several Ewoks and keep them in a cell in their cave complex. Visitors to the caves must talk or fight their way past the squad of guards at the entrance to gain access to King Terak or his advisor, the Force With Charal." Menkooroo (talk) 22:00, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * This text has some continuity conflicts with other sources, quite obviously. It says the Marauders from the movie were descendants of those who crashed on Endor, while many other sources clearly imply that Terak and his goons were the original castaways. --LelalMekha (talk) 22:06, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

CUSWE
Hello Lelal, I saw that message you wrote to Bob, and the CUSWE is never meant to be a canon source when it is listed in external links. The closest it comes to canon is the fact that it seems to have influenced a lot of the new canon invented by The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia. So don't worry about listing that entry at all, contradicting with canon or not. ;) Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 23:05, July 20, 2012 (UTC)

RE:Return of the Lenthgy Username
I'm fine. You know, summer. Can be pretty boring, and I'm working on a computer now, so Wookieepedia and I crossed paths again. How are you doing? Still onto the Nightsisters? I see you've uploaded some of the juicy Book of Sith pics, which is great. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 15:16, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Nyax cultists? The things you learn in this site...! Last time I read that article it was a stub saying that Nyax was a bogey man Corellian parents used to scare their kids, the end. Good job. Charal's looking nice and perky (for a 100-year-old). I'll try going over these in the coming week. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 15:34, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Stormies in BTM
Thanks for the help again. So it would appear that a stuntman played 119. Do you know if either are pictured? Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 17:11, July 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * And I didn't think they'd have anything besides mentioned in the script and maybe pictured, as that was released before those two were actually given names. However, given the fact that some novels didn't even mention the stormtroopers exchanging fire with Luke and Leia before they swung across the chasm, I wanted to verify that all the script sources actually did mention them. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 17:17, July 21, 2012 (UTC)

Yavin celebration
I accidentally hit enter and the reversion saved, so I'll just write here that the information can go in both articles and that you should not remove information from existing articles for inclusion in future articles. Create the article and we'll talk about where information can be reallocated afterward. NaruHina Talk  18:15, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * It wasn't really a mistake, but if the info can add to both, there's no reason not to have it in both, right? NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 19:56, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't support the whole "every article needs to be uniquely written" thing either, but people are enforcing it with their votes. :/ Good luck. On the bright side, it'll help you practice your conjugation and such. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 20:14, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll go over it. Do you mind if I edit it or do you just want me to leave you pre-nom objections? NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 00:48, July 25, 2012 (UTC)

Your sandbox
I saw you uploaded that image from Behind the Magic of the Yavin Award Ceremony at Shepperton. I thought you might prefer this larger, color image instead and wanted to present it as an option. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 00:31, July 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why, thank you for proposing an alternative. The image you suggest is indeed far superior. --LelalMekha (talk) 08:49, July 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, Lelal, just wanted to give you a heads up that Event has three additional fields you're missing on your Award Ceremony sandbox: prev, conc, and next. Also, just fair warning, if you're planning on doing anything status-wise with the article, you need to reload your infobox with all the fields, not just the ones that actually have content. It's a pain, I know, but it sometimes causes formatting problems. I just updated the preload for the Event template, so if you reload the template (i.e. click on Event in the Standard Preloads and move the info from your original infobox into that one) it'll have the prev, conc, and next fields this time. Good work on the article, by the way.  Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 22:45, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Mando'a lexicon
Hey! I have a question- if I was going to edit the page on Mando'a because it doesn't have all of the words in that language (I should know, I speak Mando'a), the only other source I would get these words from is the Karen Traviss Website, and I don't know if it is a reliable source. Can I put that as a source? Is that allowed? --Aryn Tarra (talk) 20:04, July 26, 2012 (UTC)

Itchy
Hey! Go ahead and write him. I was planning on writing Malla first, anyway, and probably not for another year at that. My to-do list is more a list of ideas, rather than any sort of claim. I'll be more than happy to help you out with anything you need; I have most of the sources that feature or mention him, having written Lumpy. Menkooroo (talk) 20:21, July 29, 2012 (UTC)

Blackbeard
Here we go!

"'' between the two speakers' lines. Check out some other Good articles for examples.
 * For the leading quote: The Quote template should be used for any conversation involving two speakers. Format it like a regular Quote and then add the confusing ''"
 * I think that there are one too many images for such a small article. "Behind the scenes" doesn't really seem large enough to support two images, especially since one of them pushes the bulleted appearances to the right, which never looks good.
 * "Behind the scenes" has a lot of speculation in it:
 * "Based on this, Weissmuller probably played the black-bearded Marauder, as he is the second to appear in medium shot at the beginning of the scene." This is subjective guesswork and should just be left out. To avoid speculating, the information about Weissmuller playing "Card player #2" should be included, but no more. Words like "probably" and "likely" really have no place in articles.
 * "...which could mean the warden may have resisted the blaster's lethal energetic damage." This is more speculation. I like the information about Sanyassans having tougher hides, but that would be a good end to the sentence, I think.
 * "The physical appearance of this black-bearded Sanyassan seems to have inspired the "Marauder of Endor"..." "Seems to" is another killer phrase. Noting their similarities is fine, but it can and should be worded to avoid speculating and making guesses.
 * "This present article assumes that the black-bearded Sanyassan could speak in Galactic Basic in addition to his mother tongue" --- I actually disagree with this. I think it's pretty clear that the children's book was just translating their conversation from the movie into English for the reader's benefit. That would also entail Quotetrans being used for the leading quote.
 * The infobox says that he's from Sanyassa IV, but the article body doesn't mention that homeworld.
 * Does the bottom part of his jaw stick out? If so, that's an underbite, not an overbite.
 * Remember to source 3.5 ABY to Behind the Magic.
 * Kind of nitpicky, but if his moustache doesn't cover his upper lip, then "full mustache" doesn't seem accurate.
 * The infobox lists his hair as white --- is this a mistake? Menkooroo (talk) 04:22, July 30, 2012 (UTC)

Troopers in the shaft
Thanks. Should any of that info be relevant to at least TK-119, or no? Based on what Behind the Magic says, it would seem he was played by a stuntman. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 00:54, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps that stuff could be worthy of mention in the BTS then. And yeah, I'd say the stuntman was the one playing the one who was shot, assuming it's an production photo. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 01:05, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep that indeed should be the stuntman playing 119. Thanks. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 01:13, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Royal Award Ceremony
Hi. I know you are currently doing a sandbox project on the Royal Award Ceremony. I was wondering when you'll actually create the article? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:57, July 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's nothing. I was just curious to see when the article was finished up, that's all. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:11, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Scout Trooper
Hi. Assuming you know the answer to this question, do you know who the stormtrooper/scout trooper that Han Solo tricked into getting held up and surrounded by Rebel Troops at Endor was, and if he has an article on the Wiki? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:10, July 31, 2012 (UTC)

Noms
No problem. It wasn't a big deal and the changes really weren't that significant, just rejiggering phrasing. I was going through just for grammer, but I saw an issue with each. In the pirate's article, you bold "individual" as the lead in the intro. That's not what makes the character significant enough for an article. In the bully's, your phrasing leans on the wrong side NPOV. Don't emphasize his stares or demeanor that much. It reads like you think he's a bad guy. NaruHina Talk  22:47, August 1, 2012 (UTC)

Ewoks = VC and Empire = America source request.
Hi.

I noticed that you seem to be somewhat of an expert on behind the scenes stuff relating to Star Wars films going by your recent edits. I have a favor to ask: Can you track down anything that has George Lucas' citing the Ewoks as representing the Viet Cong in his mind whereas he labelled America as being the basis for the Galactic Empire? In particular, I want any statements that were made after February 2012, which I will get to the reasons why in a second:

Late in February, I watched the PJTV Afterburner episode "Han Shot First" (Yep, I'm a conservative, but I don't plan to use my leaning for any edits on that site), when Whittle mentioned this statement after referencing Lucas' interview with the Hollywood Globe regarding the edit of Greedo shooting first and how it tied in to Americans not seeing much movies anymore:

"Lucas has since said, by the way, that in Return of the Jedi, the Ewoks, the little native good guys, represent in his mind the Viet Cong, while the evil Empire, which we have spend our entire childhood rooting against, was in fact America. Feel better now? You're welcome."

I tried searching online for the statement made by Lucas regarding the Viet Cong, and the only thing I could find was stuff probably mentioned in the 2004 director's commentary on the search engines. However, I don't think that's what Whittle was referring to, since his word choice implied that the statement about Lucas' statement about the Ewoks being the Viet Cong and the Galactic Empire being America was made in 2012, shortly after the aforementioned Hollywood Globe article. I'd use the Whittle video, but I'm not sure if it should count as a source for something like the Ewok article. It'd probably work with the Han Shot First article, but only because that was another appearance of the debate.

Much appreciation if you can find a source there. I don't really harbor good emotions towards the Viet Cong for certain reasons, but that's neither here nor there. I just need a source for the 2012 statement should it exist. Again, Much appreciated.

Weedle McHairybug (talk) 23:44, August 2, 2012 (UTC)

Fruity Fun
Hey Lelal. Great to see the card player and the bully up on the GAN page! Good job. Just a reminder that there's an objection to Stewfruit's CAnomination that's over a week old. One-week old objections are, technically, grounds for removing the nomination, but I won't be that mean. Be sure to address it soon. Menkooroo (talk) 18:25, August 3, 2012 (UTC)

Thanks and request
Hey, I want to thank you for adding the quotes on my article (Mission to Naga Sadow's tomb), and I come here asking you if you'd mind keep doing it in the upcoming articles about Sith Inquisitor character's 'conflicts'? It's that I generally anthagonize the quotes thing and always refuse to do it :c If possible, please add some in Darth Nox's article too. I'm working on it, not to a featured status (yet), but adding and developing the entire content. Thanks again, Winterz (talk) 21:02, August 8, 2012 (UTC)

Scout trooper in BTM
Hello LelalMekha, I know [this image of [[Irol]] originated in Star Wars: Behind the Magic. Can you help me see if there's also any relevant info on the character (perhaps some description)? This was before the character was identified by name, so the name Irol itself wouldn't be mentioned. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 15:54, August 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 17:54, August 10, 2012 (UTC)

Insider article
Hello LelalMekha, a while ago you mentioned that article in Star Wars Insider Special Edition 2010 that had the interview with Peter Diamond, and mentioned the chasm swing. Do you know which specific article in the magazine, per Menkooroo's objection on my TK-119 nom? My guess would be The Men Who Built the Empire. Thanks in advance. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 21:04, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 21:13, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

The long-awaited B'rknaa review
Hey, LM! Sorry for taking so long to get on this. I was away for the last three weeks and never got a chance to copy edit B'rknaa as you requested. Well, here goes! That's it for now. I hope this is helpful, and sorry again for the long delay! ~ Savage  13:11, August 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * In the infobox, it might be worth adding to the parenthetical note that the "skin" color is actually stone, not skin.
 * Should the infobox also include details for the crystalline version of the B'rknaa? Like what color they are, how big they are, etc.?
 * The phrase "moon of Indobok" is ambiguous. Do you mean the moon of a planet called Indobok, or do you mean the moon is named Indobok? I think it's the latter, so I'd change "moon of Indobok" to "the moon Indobok" just to be clear.
 * I'm usually wary of using the word alien in the authorial voice, since it's humanocentric. After all, Humans are aliens to B'rknaa, right? Perhaps pipelink to non-Human instead.
 * "The aliens were considered unusual" -- by whom? Can you specify? I'd rewrite this active voice if possible: "Non-B'rknaa considered them unusual..." or whatever.
 * "the famous protocol droid" -- can we call him famous in 6 BBY? I think he didn't get well known until after that?
 * In the lead, why did the Vong destruction of Kalarba harm them? This is the first mention we have of Kalarba, so it doesn't add up yet.
 * The lead in general should probably be much longer, perhaps 2.5 times the current size.
 * You should specify in "Biology and appearance" who found them mysterious. Surely not themselves?
 * The mention of their homeworld (currently the first sentence in "B&A") might fit better in "Society and culture" instead.
 * Mention what color the crystals are in B&A?
 * You say their feet were almost round, but the one in the infobox picture appears to have two toes.
 * Some of them appear to be gray rather than brown, or is that just my monitor?
 * Does the original source compare them to the Shards and Tsil? If not, you may need to reword a bit, like, "a biology similar to that of the Shards and Tsil".
 * "one large B'rknaa specimen was enough to handle all the systems power of a planetoid." Can you explain what you mean by "systems power"?
 * I'd move the bit about what their language was called and sounded like to S&C.
 * Rather than attribute the bit about them being Force-resistant to Bowspritz in the B&A section, just say flat out that they were resistant to the Force. The fact that Bowspritz mentioned them is probably more relevant to "B'rknaa in the galaxy" or "History," unless you mean to imply that Bowspritz is an unreliable narrator, so he may be in error.
 * Does Alien Encounters mention their technology level? If not, you should use a double ref on the notion that they were archaic by galactic standards to both cite the comic and AE.
 * Who considered them "brutish and frightening" in appearance? This should be attributed: all non-B'rknaa? It is also probably worth mentioning in B&A as well.
 * In S&C, can you go into a bit more detail about why they considered their crystals precious?
 * Similarly, perhaps mention how they fought their foes? With fists? Kicks? Weapons?
 * And perhaps describe the process of animation of a new stone body, since the comic seems to depict that event.
 * I'm not sure the comparison to Killiks and Taurills is necessary in S&C. There are lots of examples of hive-mind species in Star Wars.
 * If you mention Bowspritz as a Tynnan in "History," mention Coven as a Jenet?
 * Also, can the fact that Coven created The Jedi Path be cited to the Jedi Council Forums? You may need to insert a reference to TJP itself before you cite the forums.
 * The Pitareeze family -- probably worth noting that they were Humans upon first mention.
 * Does the comic reveal how Forno knew about Indobok crystals? Apparently the species is mysterious, no?
 * It's probably also worth noting somewhere that their crystals were considered precious commodities to non-B'rknaa.
 * Can we call R2 and 3PO famous at this point in "History?"
 * Why does Forno abandon 3PO? Can you go into a tad more detail about it?
 * Rather than tell the Pitareeze family's discovery of the B'rknaa from their point of view, tell it from the B'rknaa's. For instance, rather than 3PO only revealing that he had gotten to know the B'rknaa when the Pitareezes show up, instead mention that 3PO got to know the rock beings while he was exiled on the moon, then when the Pitareezes showed up, he told them about his adventures.
 * Perhaps a bit more detail about the battle with Forno? Like, it seems that several B'rknaa merged together into a single being, right?
 * Similarly, the battle itself probably deserves an article. It may count as a "skirmish," but you get the idea.
 * "both spheres were destroyed" -- do you mean both moons, or Kalarba and Hosk Station?
 * Does the NJO Sourcebook explicitly say that whether the B'rknaa suffered from the Yuuzhan Vong was unknown? If not, simply remove that last line.
 * In "Behind the scenes," perhaps note who wrote that issue and who illustrated it.
 * Rather than say it came out in the 1990s, can you give the exact year and month?
 * The explanation of rock vs. crystal is fine, but I don't think we can say that TJP is really in error here. Their mobile bodies are rock based. Perhaps keep the science bits, but change the "in error" bit to "apparently is talking about their mobile bodies" or something.
 * Maybe mention who illustrated them for TJP?
 * The bit about golems in BTS seems out of place. They resemble Ben Grimm from the Fantastic Four too, but we can't really mention all animate rock-based critters in the article, I think. :)
 * Be sure to use the CSWECite template for the mention of the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia in the "Sources" list.

Kashyyyk
Hey! This is actually something that was troubling me recently, too. I asked Cade Calrayn about it on IRC, since he's been working on the Timeline of the Galactic Civil War quite heavily lately. Apparently The New Essential Chronology says that Grand Admiral Peccati Syn's death (and thus the Liberation of Kashyyyk) occurs eight months after the Battle of Endor. So, the Skirmish on Kashyyyk (Nagai invasion) must actually take place several months before that. I need to update both Lumpy and Vargi to reflect that; thanks for the reminder. :D Menkooroo (talk) 01:37, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't... but our good friend Xwing328 does! :D Menkooroo (talk) 13:30, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Royal Award Ceremony
I'll give it a look. Glad to see you still strive for excellence here. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 10:39, September 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * About the trumpets: if an in-universe source identifies John Williams's The Throne Room as being played in-universe, in the scene, then it can be in the article. If not, then it goes against the in-universe nature of the article. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 15:44, September 5, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Unidentified black-mustachioed Sanyassan GAN objections
No, don't worry about it. :P I'll check them soon.  JangFett  (Talk) 14:11, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Hi.

Can you locate and contact Cam Kennedy regarding whether any of the Eclipse-like ships in Dark Empire (specifically the panel where Luke is guiding his hand over the Shadow Hand Fleet) were supposed to be the Sovereign-class Star Dreadnoughts? Since you asked the guy who did the illustrations for Anakin To The Rescue about the unidentified (at the time) pyramid building on Coruscant, I figured I'd trust you with it, especially seeing how I can't find the guy on Facebook or any other contact information. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 16:43, September 8, 2012 (UTC)

Dragon's Spine
Hey Lelal. I think I may have uploaded that image, I'm not sure. Either way, I'm 100% positive it's Tatooine. StarsiderSWG (talk) 00:59, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, they probably could/should be merged, if others don't object to it as speculatory. StarsiderSWG (talk) 22:18, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I have to agree. I mean if some game showcased Hoth with an asteroid field, it would seem pretty obvious that it was the same one which appeared in ESB. I guess, just because this asteroid field is more obscure, that I think the relation between the SWG asteroids and the Rebel Assault asteroids is more of a coincidence. But if it were up to me I'd say definitely merge them. StarsiderSWG (talk) 22:25, September 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's a good point. I hadn't noticed the third source. StarsiderSWG (talk) 23:00, September 11, 2012 (UTC)

A calm, perfectly measured handshake
Oh, it's all good. If I didn't know how to separate my feelings on an issue from how wI feel about the people on the other side, I'd have no friends here. NaruHina Talk  18:29, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

The Royal Award Ceremony in video games.
Salut! You may find this link "rewarding:" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_oTESX2_M0s Start at about 12 minutes. Corellian PremierAll along the watchtower 20:23, September 15, 2012 (UTC)

Balinaka
There is a quote from Planet of Twilight that goes "Everyone knows the deficiencies in the Registry's information. And the Empire "protected the rights" of Alzoc III, of Garnib, of Trosh…". This might be of use to you in writing your article on the Balinaka, for context on how the Imperials treated the locals, or at least for use as a quote. --Eyrezer (talk) 08:24, September 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Eventually you may want to check the Star Wars Gamemaster Screen as it apparently mentions the Garnib Wallarand Festival. --Eyrezer (talk) 11:05, September 16, 2012 (UTC)

Mermeia in SWG
Heya, well in SWG's Life Day events, you could get a Mind evaporator. Players who placed it in their homes, turned it on, and sat in it could hear a woman's voice saying many of the same things Mermeia says in the Holiday Special (like, "Just relax," or, "I am your fantasy" or whatever). I could grab the sound files from the TRE files if necessary. Mermeia was never actually mentioned in the game, so maybe I was incorrect to even add her as a voice-only appearance. But as the Dev's claimed to have used the Holiday Special as a guide for creating the Life Day events, and the woman said similar things to Mermeia, I figured it'd have to be the same person. StarsiderSWG (talk) 01:55, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Images
Hey! Question for ya... where on Earth are you getting good quality shots of the Holiday Special? I've never been able to find anything even resembling good quality for that one. :P Menkooroo (talk) 02:03, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

D'Wopp
I'm sorry, I actually haven't look through him yet. I glanced at him to see which character you were talking about and noticed that error, but I was busy with other tasks, so I did them first. Then, when I turned to him, every single computer in my school lost connection to the internet. I'll look at him now. NaruHina Talk  00:49, September 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * That Toola is an ice planet cannot be sourced to the TEA Online Companion.
 * That he was officially a bounty hunter should be in the intro. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 01:14, September 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * There we go! All done. A couple of things needing rephrasing&mdash;and indulging in using one of my favorite words, if you don't mind&mdash;with just a few errors. Good job! :) NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 01:14, September 28, 2012 (UTC)

Sounding like Wookiees and smelling like Banthas
Hey there! I'm looking at that page of The Stark Hyperspace War now. It's a little vague, yeah, but I think we can conclude that Tholme, at least, thinks that Qui-Gon is smelly and ugly (and a little arrogant, too), because Tholme says "He doesn't care that he looks like a Bantha" instead of "He doesn't care if he looks like a Bantha." Does that make sense?

As for the Holiday Special script... I don't think we usually treat scripts as canon; else we would have translations for everything Chewbacca says in Episodes III, IV, V, and VI. The Holiday Special script is even more suspect, since it makes references to Ed Norton, Jack Benny, and Oliver Hardy. I think it would be OK to use the script's translations as a reference in order to figure out when Itchy is angry, happy, excited, etc, but I don't think we should use the translations as quotes. Does that make sense? Menkooroo (talk) 02:48, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * To tack on to Menk's comments, I'd say the script is fair game for BTS info, but not for in-universe info or (non-BTS) quotes. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 03:44, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll give you a very precise example of what I intended to do with the script. "Despite their great complicity, Attichitcuk would not spoil his grandson, neither would he go against the authority of Mallatobuck. When Lumpy refused to take the garbage out, Attichitcuk barked at him to enforce Mallatobuck's demand." This is the kind of thing that would be really neat to add in a P&T section, you see. But you just can't know that if you haven't read the script, can you? If you have only watched the special, all you can say about it is "hoaaaaruouu moaoouoo roouu gaoonuoayo". --LelalMekha (talk) 08:46, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think that's fair game for the in-universe sections of the article. You can figure out most of what the Wookiees are intending to say if you watch closely enough. And if you don't want to lose your sanity by watching that closely, you can cheat a little by using the script. :D Menkooroo (talk) 15:16, October 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Nowadays, it would be considered completely insane to have a movie with such a long er, "dialogue". What kind of crazy kids would keep watching this&mdash;one thing is sure: my little cousin wouldn't. Poor child. Condemned to watch to Holiday Special with nerdy cousin Lelal... :p --LelalMekha (talk) 15:25, October 1, 2012 (UTC)

Image request
Hey, Lelal,

How are you doing? You mentioned that you would be happy to provide high-quality screenshots from the Holiday Special, and I'm hoping that I can collect on that favour! :) I'm planning to write Unidentified Imperial commander (Blockade of Kashyyyk), and I was wondering if you could provide some good-quality pictures of him.

I'm not yet sure which pictures I want to include in the final article... would it be too much if I requested five pictures? I can tell you where in the Special to find each one.

The last four pictures aren't actually from a website called "shotobucket" --- you'll have to change "shoto" to "photo" in the URL. Sorry about this; Wikia doesn't allow linking to photobucket. If you change the "s" to a "p" the URL will work.


 * File:Holidayspecialimperialcommander.jpg is when the Imperials first enter the house.
 * http://i956.shotobucket.com/albums/ae49/gradualferguson/random/commanderandmalla.jpg is immediately afterward, when he asks Malla "Where is the other male Wookiee?"
 * http://i956.shotobucket.com/albums/ae49/gradualferguson/random/goodbyesaun.jpg is when he kicks Saun Dann out of the house, just after the Jefferson Starship performance.
 * http://i956.shotobucket.com/albums/ae49/gradualferguson/random/investigatetheupperarea.jpg is immediately after that, when he's telling his men to investigate the upper area.
 * http://i956.shotobucket.com/albums/ae49/gradualferguson/random/belittlingmalla.jpg is not long after that, when one of the stormtroopers points a blaster at Malla and the commander has to break it up.

Sorry that there are so many! Any help at all would be greatly appreciated. Thanks for your time, and have a good day! Menkooroo (talk) 12:49, October 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey! No, no urgency at all. Thanks a million. :) Alternatively, if there's anywhere... online... that I could find this copy, you could e-mail me the link at gradualferguson@hotmail.com . :D Menkooroo (talk) 03:27, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * You are wonderful. Those images are fantastic. Thanks so much again. :) Menkooroo (talk) 00:33, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * I uploaded them while filling in some redlinks for the Imperial Commander, so I'm not desperate for better-quality images, but if you'd like to, the Wook would surely benefit. :) Menkooroo (talk) 16:01, October 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the observations!! That's actually really helpful. I was trying to find useful information on his rank insignia from our Rank insignia of the Galactic Empire page, but that page is a mess and I couldn't get anything from it. So thanks for coming to the rescue, as it were. :) Menkooroo (talk) 03:46, October 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry --- where are you getting the information on the rank insignia of the Army? The table in Warfare is limited to the navy, and part 7 of the endnotes state "I would have liked to extend this to the Army and Stormtroopers, but this is enough to be going on with. It is, after all, only a kids’ movie." Menkooroo (talk) 04:27, October 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. I think what it's saying, though, is just that the army uses similar specialist ranks as the Navy (eg General, Major, Colonel, etc). If we could interpret any more from that, I doubt Paul Urquhart would have said "I would have liked to extend this to the Army." Still, there's a wealth of information there, and I've made an effort to include as much of it as I can without speculating in the Commander's BTS. Take a look! Menkooroo (talk) 08:12, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

Insider 106
Hello Lelal, would Unidentified Imperial guard (Blockade of Kashyyyk) also be one of the "ineffectual Imperial antagonists" mentioned by Alex Newborn in his I Have a Bad Feeling About This! article from Star Wars Insider 106? Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 16:39, October 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Saw that from viewing Menk's article on the Commander. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 16:53, October 6, 2012 (UTC)

C'baoth
Hi, Lelal. I took a look at your C'baoth article draft as you asked, and it seems to me you've been doing a decent job in sorting out the messy timeline so far. :) I don't have an awful lot to say about C'baoth's general timeline since my efforts have been centered around cracking the tough nut of the Ascendancy Contention's date, but I do have a few suggestions about referencing and Bts notes. That's all from me at this point. If you require help with a specific timeline twist, don't hesitate to ask! I may not have all the answers, but I'm always willing to do some more research. Good luck with your efforts :) Tinwe (comlink) 08:13, October 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * First off, nix that math note in the Bts section. It was originally added by an anon (if memory serves), and while I'm willing to give most anons the benefit of a doubt, this time the thing is just utter bollocks (pardon my French ;). I'm not even sure what the math is trying to prove there, but I think the note is based on the flawed assumption that C'baoth's age during the Outbound Flight launch has remained the same as it was in the original Senate records from Dark Force Rising. (48 years by my count, that is.) But unless I've missed something, the retcon in Revised Core Rulebook changed that. Poor Jorus now dies at age 43, not at 48. Part of the retcon, not a mistake.
 * While we're at the age question, I think I know now where the Ascendancy Contention's date of 28 BBY in Agent of the Empire: Hard Targets, Part 1 comes from. John Ostrander probably based it on C'baoth's age: in Zahn's original scenario C'baoth was 42 at the time of the contention (112 PE – 70 PE = 42), and so would he be if the contention took place in 28 BBY (70 BBY – 28 BBY = 42). I've just signed up at the Jedi Council Forums and Ostrander has been known to interact with fans there, so I might have to ask him about it. (...if I'll ever get the courage, I'm a pretty shy person. Even on Internet. :) The discrepancy between Darth Plagueis and Hard Targets definitely needs addressing. Or maybe we are indeed to believe that there were two different disputes among the Alderaanian nobles that C'baoth helped settle...
 * You might want to make the birth year ref a bit more specific, rather than just linking to the Revised Core Rulebook. Since the date is not actually given in the book but can only be deduced with the help from the information given in the text (i.e. that C'baoth was 38 at the time of the Battle of Naboo), those deductions need to be visible to the reader. You are welcome to use the text in the "Timeline" section of the Ascendancy Contentions's Bts.
 * You could also add a bit more detailed account of the screwy dates in your article's Bts. At least continuity buffs like me will be interested. ;) A few words about the change in C'baoth's backstory in general would probably be in order as well, which in turn would help explain some aspects of his less-than-traditional Jedi training (attending the Mirnic University, training at Kamparas, becoming a "private student" of a Jedi Master at a relatively late age etc.). Before the prequels, all the specifics of Jedi training during the twilight decades of the Repulbic were not known, which is why C'baoth's training differs somewhat from what has now been established as the norm blah blah blah etc. Something to that effect, but maybe a bit more eloquently put.


 * Oh and one more thing (not relating to the timeline, but otherwise of interest). Has C'baoth been identified in any source as the Jedi Watchman of the Alderaan sector specifically? The only source in which he is called a Watchman that I remember seeing is the Databank entry on Pello Scrambas, and it isn't explicit on the matter. Granted, it would make a lot of sense to send the sector's own Jedi Watchman to Alderaan, but you know how carefully we must tread when the sources aren't outright in matters such as this. (On a related note: in order for the Archive.org link for Scrambas's Databank entry to work, you need to change 'scrambas' in the url to 'scambras'&mdash;blasted DB misspellings... :P) Cheers, Tinwe (comlink) 09:33, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

Re: 7
Hey, Lelal. I, too, share your concern. I am literally dumbfounded right now at the thought of Disney&mdash;a company I've never held in high regard&mdash;taking over my favorite franchise. The "threat" of them changing canon to the degree of shaming Filoni is an all too real threat. With that in mind, I didn't mean my warning on the SH thread as a way to stop the conversation. It's a good idea to throw out ideas of how Wookieepedia will move forward with this. It's a big step for us. I merely wanted to remind everyone not to let it degenerate into a social thread, i.e. just discussing what the movies will be about, etc. I plan to be involved in the conversation (along with future conversations, such as the Mofference) myself.&mdash; Cal Jedi (Personal Comm Channel) 15:34, October 31, 2012 (UTC)

WOTM
You're our new Wookieepedian of the Month, Lelal. Congratulations. :) Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:34, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Now that's wonderful! I feel honored. :) I might as well get ready for the interview, now. --LelalMekha (talk) 00:38, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Excellent; you're already prepared! :D Congratulations. You definitely deserve this. Want me to interview you here, or by e-mail? I'll come up with some questions and then get to those prenoms you asked me to do. Menkooroo (talk) 03:23, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Congrats on becoming Wookieepedian of the Month! Keep up the good work. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 04:00, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Per above. Congrats from me, as well.&mdash; Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 04:03, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * And from me. Well deserved. :) Tinwe (comlink) 12:57, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Moi aussi! You've earned it. :) ~ Savage BOB sig.png 13:21, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you everyone. I'm thrilled with both joy and pride. I hope I'll live up to that reputation of former WOTM in the future. --LelalMekha (talk) 13:26, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * A belated congratulations! Nice work! 501st  dogma ( talk ) 21:47, November 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, here we go! Feel free to answer these in as many or as few words as you'd like. And don't forget to let me know what pictures you'd like included in the article. Menkooroo (talk) 15:01, November 1, 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) You're the man of the hour. How do you feel?
 * 2) You've been a Wookieepedian for years. What inspired your recent explosion of activity?
 * 3) Over the years, the Wookieepedia community has included great contributors from all over the world. Tell us a bit about where you're from, and what the Star Wars fan community is like there.
 * 4) Does the fact that English isn't your first language add an additional challenge to editing Wookieepedia?
 * 5) What are some of your favorite works, and characters, from the Expanded Universe?
 * 6) Which SW film is best?
 * 7) What are your thoughts on that crazy 3D Clone Wars thing that comes on TV every Saturday?
 * 8) What kinds of interesting things have you come across during your editing? Any fun, or even frustrating, tidbits to be found in Star Wars canon?
 * 9) I'm sure there are countless readers of Wookieepedia who have considered becoming an editor one day. Do you have any advice for them?
 * 10) What kind of role do you think Wookieepedia plays in the broader Star Wars community?
 * 11) What kind of role do you try to play within Wookieepedia?
 * 12) There was some big news or something about Star Wars that was announced recently. I think it was about a mouse and some sort of sequel. What are your thoughts on it, and on the future of Star Wars in general?
 * 13) Anything else you'd like to say?

Rouge
Here are some comments about Rouge's article, I hope you'll find them helpful!


 * Calling Rouge ruthless in the intro sounds a bit harsh. I think it can only be said she was "ruthless" in regards to trying to shape Leia into "a proper Princess," so some rewording would be good. Adding something along the lines "considered redoubtable by her niece" (wasn't redoubtable the word that was used in COTJ about Leia's aunts? some synonym like "formidable" would work also) should fix this.
 * I'd be careful about saying she was the daughter of Viceroy Organa. Yes, I know, the article on Bail's dad says she was, but that's because of my sloppy writing/referencing (which I really ought to fix; I created the article before I had learned all the intricacies of proper reffing). No source states it explicitly as far as I know, even though it's a logical assumption to make if you ask me. Anyhow, since it's not 100% sure (just as it isn't entirely sure that Mazicia is her mother), I'd leave that bit of info out&mdash;or add a ref with an explanation at least, or consider clarifying the daddy issue in the BTS. Saying she was one of four siblings is fine though. You could also move the first mention of Tia and Celly here, since it now comes pretty late in the article IMO.
 * Considering Rouge is called a dowager in COTJ, i.e. a widow, she obviously married at some point. In addition, The Force Unleashed Campaign Guide, p. 77, says that Leia's aunts had families of their own. So it would be perfectly fine to state that she married and started a family (that way you can also avoid mentioning her husband and child(ren) directly, since they are not identified in any way in the source materials). Don't forget to add that she had widowed by the time Leia was small.
 * I'd remove the mention to Alderaan Ascendancy Contention, since Bail's role in it is still a little fuzzy. Besides, I don't think it's that relevant to Rouge's article. Just saying Bail was the Viceroy and First Chairman and Breha's husband should suffice.
 * The same goes for "the disappearance of Queen Breha." Since it is not known at this point what her final fate is, it would be better to avoid the issue altogether by simply stating that Rouge and her sisters helped raising Leia.
 * Some specifics of said raising should be included, for example that the aunts hired deportment teachers to tutor Leia, and their collective exasperation at Leia's tomboyish nature. Maybe you could also add that Leia thought later that her aunts "made her girlhood an intermittent burden" (I think those are the exact words COTJ uses&mdash;you'd have to rephrase of course :). If we treat The Princess Leia Diaries as a legit source (it's canonicity is a bit ambiguous after all), some info could be gleaned from there as well.
 * Speaking of TPLD&mdash;while none of the aunts are identified by name, they are all shown to have long hair. In addition, it is said in The Crystal Star that "on Alderaan, adults grew their hair long" (yeah, I guess that means the men too, though I don't remember seeing Bail with flowing locks :D). So that's something you could add to the P&T section if you wish.

That's all at this point. :) Tinwe (comlink) 13:08, November 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * About Rouge, her sisters and Bail sharing the same father: yes, I suppose when you put it that way it is a very reasonable assumption to make. (Even though some Alderaanian women did use the surname of their mother according to a short story from one of the Adventure Journals, the name of which I can't remember just now, but let's not go there... ;). As far as I know, "dowager" always means a widowed woman, but it "usually appears in association with monarchical and aristocratic titles" according to Wikipedia. Since TFU Campaign Guide says the aunts had families of their own, but they are called dowagers throughout COTJ and their husbands are nowhere to be seen, I'd say it's a safe bet they are widows by that time. I like TPLD very much too and think of it as a valid resource (mostly, anyway), but some other users may not share the same opinion... Lastly, I checked The Crystal Star myself and at least my copy says "adults," not "adult women." :P Tinwe (comlink) 14:13, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Audio files

 * Audio files: Yes! A thousand times yes! Thanks a whole lot. :) Menkooroo (talk) 14:33, November 2, 2012 (UTC)
 * Go for it. Never feel like you need to ask permission, either. After all, the articles belong to the community. :D Menkooroo (talk) 14:51, November 2, 2012 (UTC)

Bail Antilles

 * The barn-burner is for everyone! Feel free to add your name to the "sign ups" list and lay a claim to Bail. No need to ask anyone first. You can ask for help with any sources you need, too. His wife just became a Comprehensive article, and she's lonely! Menkooroo (talk) 14:12, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey Lelal, saw the work you've been doing on Bail Antilles, as well as Liana Merian and Agrippa Aldrete, and I have to say good job. Just a question: is there any evidence that Bail Antilles had died by the time of the Galactic Civil War? Just wondering what the source material (looks like A Guide to the Star Wars Universe (Second Edition)) has to say. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 02:18, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if you even plan to keep that "Legacy" section, but can we really be sure about his name being remembered, or if the Rebel agent and New Republic Bail Antilles are worth mentioning? Antilles is a very common surname in the Star Wars universe. Also yeah I don't think the destruction of Alderaan is worth mentioning for someone whose last OOU mention/appearance was during the Clone Wars, just like nothing is mentioned about the Executor destruction for Empire Strikes Back Executor characters (eg Hurdiss and Dainsom). Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 00:24, November 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh and I have another question in regards to Agrippa Aldrete: though I'd say the video game makers most likely modeled the Tourist Director after him, was it ever directly stated? If not, then I think it's best to just mention the Tourist Director resembling Agrippa in the BTS, without mentioning anything about programmers' intent. Be sure to make the same change to Tourist Director. Also, I feel like Tourist Director should be a page about the profession, and a separate article should be created for the individual (perhaps Unidentified Naboo Tourist Director (32 BBY)). Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 00:48, November 7, 2012 (UTC)

Nyax
Sorry for the delay on this one. I'm looking at Nyax now...
 * Judging from the "Sources" sections of Followers of Nyax and Cult of Lord Nyax, there are some more sources to be checked and added.
 * Context is needed on Darth Vader in the intro.
 * If he was part of Corellia's "ancient" mythology, then maybe you could add something to the era field of the infobox like "Many years before the New Jedi Order era" ? Just an idea.
 * Eras indicates the New Jedi Order era, but the infobox says New Republic era.
 * It's probably OK to call him a "bogeyman" in the intro, but in this case, I think it's a bit confusing due to the comparison with the bogeyman in "Behind the scenes." Some readers might think you're talking about the real bogeyman.
 * On that note --- I like the comparison in the BTS to the bogeyman, but, as lame as this sounds, you'll need to find a source for it.
 * Starting off the "History" section with "In ancient times" is a bit problematic --- Wookieepedia covers billions of years worth of history, and no time-frame has been established in the article yet. Something like "times that were considered ancient by 27 ABY" would be OK.
 * Context on both Vader and the New Order needed in the History section.
 * I'm not sure about the comparison to Palpatine. At this point in the "History" section, chronologically, Palpatine isn't the scarred-face Emperor yet.
 * Shouldn't the bit about the cultist being killed by the spacer be inside the Gamemechanics template?
 * Using the destruction of the death star as a reference point necessitates context on it. To keep the article focused, however, it's probably better just to say 27 ABY. Menkooroo (talk) 06:08, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * I probably won't be able to look at Null (species) within the next week, so I'd say just go ahead and GAN it. I'll be able to look at later, when it's on the page. :) Menkooroo (talk) 10:25, November 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, I've published the interview. You can read it by accessing the NewsNet now, and it should go live on the Main Page within the next couple of days. Menkooroo (talk) 12:50, November 8, 2012 (UTC)

Come into IRC
It's the Mofference! Menkooroo (talk) 00:53, November 11, 2012 (UTC)

Huttese
Hey, Lelal, not sure if you're still documenting mysterious Huttese writing systems, but here's another example from the recent Clone Wars episode:. Enjoy! ~ Savage  15:25, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Bob. At first glance, it does not seem to fit the TPM-SWTOR-JK font, but I'll have a closer look and see what I can get.--LelalMekha (talk) 15:30, November 20, 2012 (UTC)

Authorial Intent

 * Ooh, that's rough. Technically, authorial intent is non-canon if it stands alone. But there have been times where taking authorial intent at face value makes so much more sense than dancing around an important fact (I'd like to think that whoever added my authorial intent that Gideon Na'al is the son of Voren Na'al and Rivoche Tarkin to his article improved it by doing so). Honestly, I'm not sure where the dividing line should lay. jSarek (talk) 08:15, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

Essential Readers Companion
Hello again. I'm not sure if you have a copy of The Essential Reader's Companion, but there's an entire sidebar devoted to the Jedi Prince series that you might want to check out. Corellian Premier The Force will be with you always 17:46, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

Doo-wop, doo-wop!
Hmmm... the audio file I have is separated into two parts, each of which is over 30 megabytes. Gmail only has a maximum storage capacity of 25 megabytes, so... the obvious solution is to put them into an audio-editing program and split them up even further! OK, I'll do that and get back to you soon. Go to my user page and click "E-mail this user," then I can reply to it and send an e-mail directly to your e-mail address, complete with attachments. Menkooroo (talk) 09:02, November 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * OK, done! I can e-mail the audio file to you in four parts. You'll need about 70 megabytes of storage free. Just e-mail me using the "e-mail this user" function, and I can e-mail you back! The audio drama is great. I can send you the audio drama of "Nightlily: The Lover's Tale" too, if you're interested. Menkooroo (talk) 09:12, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Endor and the Vietnam War: update
Responding via your talk page, as the Wookieepedia's editor is getting somewhat wonky regarding edits if I try to edit an already existing article (I sent a notification on the error to the Wikia. Hopefully it will be fixed soon).

I also managed to find something from Empire of Dreams (and the 2004 cast and crew commentary, by extension) that confirmed Lucas' statements. I'm surprised that he actually worked on Apocalypse Now. The Wikipedia article certainly didn't list Lucas on the staff credits of those who created the film.

It's still baffling that he'd choose Vietnam, of all wars, to make an allegory. I mean, without even getting into the political stuff, there are plenty of other instances that would qualify as an inspiration for the battle: The American Revolution being one of them, and I'm pretty sure he would at least be aware of the American Revolution, since that would have been required study material back then and even now in history/social studies classes. But hey, what can you do about it? Weedle McHairybug (talk) 02:00, December 1, 2012 (UTC)

Another request
Hello Lelal, could I have whatever info Star Wars: Behind the Magic has for Nemet, M'Kae and Unidentified Imperial officer (Avenger)? I'm particularly interested in the last one, as he is the only to-do list article that I am actively working on right now. I would believe most likely all three are just mentioned in the script, maybe also pictured. Thanks for your time. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 03:37, December 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 16:16, December 3, 2012 (UTC)

Ando (star) in "Star Wars: Anakin's Speedway"
Hello LelalMekha! Do you have access to the game Star Wars: Anakin's Speedway? If you do, could you please tell me whether the star of Ando system is featured in any way in the game (maybe it's visible in the skies of Ando Prime or mentioned somewhere...)? Thank you!  Imperators II (Talk) 13:16, December 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot for the info as it is! :)  Imperators II (Talk) 22:41, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

D'Wopp
Hey, Lelal. Have you added all info from the audio drama to D'Wopp? The objection is a few weeks old on the GAN page; hopefully you can address it soon. Menkooroo (talk) 14:10, December 12, 2012 (UTC)

Query
Hello, Lelal. The Dutch version of this article calls the character, 22K, however, I have read the story Waiting numerous times, and it appears to come from static after he goes over a waterfall and comes to. Could this be wrong?&mdash; 02:29, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * The dialogue says "ZZK! Post 473! Post 473!" which he is called throughout the story.&mdash; 02:30, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought, thanks, Lelal.&mdash; 18:17, December 21, 2012 (UTC)

D'Wopp
Please have a look at the outstanding objections to D'Wopp's GAN as soon as possible. Thanks. 1358 (Talk)  14:57, December 21, 2012 (UTC)


 * Hey Lelal. I just asked Jang to unarchive the nom, as there are still some major issues brought up by the audio drama that need to be figures out. Thanks for your patience. Menkooroo (talk) 04:13, December 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey. I just unarchived the nom, with permission from a member of the Agricorps. Check out the objections. Menkooroo (talk) 04:48, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

Plants
Thank you for the great work you've done on the plant article. I never imagined it would be so long:-) --Nightlily (talk) 23:46, December 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * I couldn't agree more! I'm very fond of such generic articles - it's always fun to read/write about these things from a Star Wars perspective. --Nightlily (talk) 00:13, December 22, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Bail
In going through the copyedit, I found a few things. Here, "a reduced group the role of which was to maintain ethics", it sounds a bit weird when you use reduced. As I'm not sure what you mean by this, I'll let you fix it. Otherwise, it looks rather good. You can try if you want to get it done by the New Year, but if you can't, you might as well put it as a later Barn burner contribution. On a side note, my copyediting skills are not as good as some, so I might have missed some things. 501st dogma ( talk ) 21:40, December 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Its FAN length, so FAN it when you are done. 501st  dogma ( talk ) 22:45, December 28, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Queen of Naboo
As a matter of fact, there does exist a GA without an intro, or at least it didn't have an intro until more information on it became available. However, it seems that there was even less information available on that subject than the Queen of Naboo, so it's hard to say what should be done. I would recommend trying to write an intro, and then reorganizing the article, just to see what it would look like with an intro and without an intro. If the information is too repetitive, you might be able to nominate it as a GAnom without an intro, but it would be good to see how it looks in both cases. Hope that helps.  CC7567  (talk) 20:05, December 29, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Bail Antilles
The article looks pretty good, and you could definitely put it on the FAN. I do have two hang-ups though - first, the infobox isn't sourced all the way. Secondly, are the other Bail Antilles that you mention in the Legacy section direct references to this Bail Antilles, or are they just coincidences? Best of luck,  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 01:50, December 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * I would lean towards removing it. It looks like a bit of a stretch, especially with how common the name seems to be.  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 02:01, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Happy New Year!
Hey, I wanna wish you a happy new year! :) --XXLVenom998 (talk) 10:59, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

New Year's greetings
Hi! Thank you for your greetings (and sorry that it took me so long to respond&mdash;I haven't been around much during the holiday season), I trust Santa took some time from his busy schedule to stop by with a few presents? :) I wish you a fantastic new year and hope that we'll have many interesting discussions in 2013 as well! Cheers, Tinwe (comlink) 20:30, December 31, 2012 (UTC)

Printables
Hey Lelal, I see you've uploaded an image from http://disney.go.com/star-tours-adventures/printables. I've been trying to explore this website but it keeps constantly throwing me off and telling me to access to international Disney website instead, even when I try using a proxy. Have you come across this issue as well? I'm trying to dig up some potential new information there.  Stake black   msg 16:27, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Perhaps an American-based Wookieepedian can access it. I'll look into that.  Stake black   msg 16:36, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I understand. Can you access the "Crew", "Characters", "About the Starspeeder" and "Destinations" links?  Stake black   msg 16:42, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh okay. And is there anything usable?  Stake black   msg 16:52, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Would screenshots be okay?  Stake black   msg 17:09, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sure, thanks.  Stake black   msg 17:17, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Done  Stake black   msg 19:00, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

I just did. Thanks, man, that's a very comprehensive .rar file. You're awesome.  Stake black   msg 19:33, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * This is intriguing, isn't it? I saw that in the StarSpeeder 1000 article you considered it a travel route. Could they not be companies in their own right? Their names sound like companies, and due to the fact that a Star Tours model exists and the other models have different names, I think that could mean that they are in fact different companies. What do you think?  Stake black   msg 20:42, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Damn. What kills me is that we'll probably never know for sure.  Stake black   msg 20:57, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * YOU, SIR, ARE BRILLIANT.  Stake black   msg 21:14, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Rebel Blueprints/Mazicia
From page 15, about the Rebel Blockade Runner:"The Corellian Engineering Corvette CR90 is the starship of the choice for everyone from respectable diplomats to notorious pirates. More than a decade before the Clone Wars, Queen Mazicia Organa of the planet Alderaan commissioned the Star of Alderaan to serves as a consular vessel for Senator Agrippa Aldrete. After the Queen's son, Bail Organa, ascended to Viceroy and became a Senatorial representative, he renamed the ship the Tantive IV in tribute to visiting ambassadors from the Tantive system. It served House Organa for 30 years until its capture by the Empire, after which Darth Vader ordered it be destroyed." <- Omicron (Leave a message at the BEEP! ) 22:16, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Hyperspace articles on Thranta Riders
I do not personally have any of this old material (I don't think I even saw those pages back when I had Hyperspace), but I know some folks did save a lot of that old material. You might try getting in touch with Jaymach, though he's not the easiest guy to reach these days. jSarek (talk) 20:24, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Tzarina
Heya, I'll see what I can find. I remember one NPC, a survivor of the crash, who gave a brief recollection of what happened. I have the dialogue somewhere. Once I fish it out, I'll let you know. StarsiderSWG (talk) 22:29, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi again, I found the NPC dialogue from the survivor of the crash (an unnamed NPC who appeared at the Dathomir Trade Outpost). The NPC had the following dialogue, which sheds light on the Tzarina crash:

Crash Survivor (simply identified as 'a commoner' in-game) = S Player Dialogue = P

S: You... come closer. I don't have too much longer. I will give you something in exchange for your promise to tell others. I am the last survivor of a crashed cruise liner, the Star Tours Tzarina. If you promise to tell others of our fate, I will tell you where the wreckage is. Perhaps you can find something salvageable there. Agreed?

P: What happened to the ship?

S: I was one of many who were lucky enough to be some of the first passengers on Star Tours newest luxury yacht. Everything was fine until the droid captain changed course towards Yavin to show us something "neat". The ship was hit by a strange T.I.E. Fighter that was tumbling out of control. Our hyperdrive initiated and drove us straight into this planet. You must let others know...

P: I promise I will tell others of your fate.

S: Thank you, friend. Tell the Star Tours company that they need to fix their droids, they're crazy! I will mark where we crashed on your datapad. Watch out, before I got out of there, I saw a number of scavengers approaching the area looking for food. I need to sleep now, good luck.

If you need any additional info, let me know! A neat tidbit though. It seems *strongly* likely that the "strange TIE fighter" which hit the Star Tours ship was in fact Darth Vaders TIE Advanced during the Battle of Yavin. StarsiderSWG (talk) 23:55, January 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * The Tzarina definitely looks Corellian in design, but there were still lots of aesthetic differences between it and the CR90 corvette. The Tzarina actually more closely resembled the interplanetary shuttles that players could take from the spaceports, such as this one. But it was never really given an official name, aside from "Transport Shuttle" I think http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071116092317/swg/images/5/5b/C-3PO_Shuttle.jpg StarsiderSWG (talk) 00:02, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Scorpions and sharks
Hmmmmmmmmmm that's quite a puzzle. If they do indeed capture Luke's allies in the game, then I think it's fair to treat them as real things rather than illusions, yeah (since it's non-canon anyway, it's not a canon-altering decision). I like your idea of treating it as authorial intent that they were Force illusions --- after all, the Insider article does say "intended to be Force illusions." ;) Good idea of mentioning the Dark Spirit in the BTS, too. It seems like a fair connection to make (as long as it's not done in a speculatory way), since the Insider article does explicitly reference the cave on Dagobah. So, in other words, I don't think you need my help at all. It looks like you have it all figured out. :) Menkooroo (talk) 16:05, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you mean this one? If so, fear not, for the article already exists! Menkooroo (talk) 01:31, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Does the second attempt occur during the Trade Summit? If so, I think the article on the Trade Summit is sufficient. Menkooroo (talk) 01:44, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Cleaning
I just did :)  Stake black   msg 15:48, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Japanese
Awesome, Lelal. Keep me posted! I feel we'll have exciting, strange new articles coming.  Stake black   msg 04:03, January 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Weird. I suppose that still warrants its own article, doesn't it? In any case, I'll upload the Maritima image.  Stake black   msg 12:02, January 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Btw, I just found this. Should be helpful.  Stake black   msg 17:15, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Hoth/Tina
In case you aren't aware, we actually already addressed the Hoth issue via an email to I think Jason Fry. He effectively said that, regardless of whether the planet is called Tina or not, we should treat it as if it were Hoth. Otherwise, keep up the good work, both you and your friend. I had some experience with Japanese, but only one semester (I would have taken a second, but when I tried, I was doing so poorly I had to drop the class, and I studied). Plus my Japanese textbook/notebook/lab book doesn't cover all the Kanji. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 04:22, January 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads up Weedle.  Stake black   msg 12:03, January 16, 2013 (UTC)

Japanese translations
So how goes the Japanese translations? In terms of enemies, aside from bios, the only thing we need is the name of the bipedal elephant-like creatures im robes. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:00, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, guys -- my Japanese is rusty, but if it's in katakana, my guess would be that the "paddo" part is the Greek-derived suffix -pod, as in craniopod or arthropod. Of course, I haven't seen the manual you are talking about. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 13:16, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Page 19 here: http://www.videogameden.com/fc/extra/sta.pdf Otherwise known as the right side of PDF file page 11. Lower left corner of the area, near the binding. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:18, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * I have to admit even my Japanese friend has trouble reading that PDF, not only because of the numerous made-up words, but also because the accompanying hiragana that help read the kanji are a bit too small. He's trying to read that thing just to please me, so I don't want to pressure him while he is busy studying his exams. --LelalMekha (talk) 13:30, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Antilles deleted scene
You can look at this CT I made to see how I formatted it, and how voting parameters were set up, if that's what you were wondering. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 18:30, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was actually thinking maybe just an SH thread myself. I just haven't been doing either for a while, so I wasn't 100% sure. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 18:35, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Good job, I think you made your point clear. And now that you brought up the fact that scene contradicts with other established canon, then I don't think stills from that scene should be taken out of context with the assumption that, at some point in their lives, Bail Antilles and friends sat in those poses. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 18:49, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * I hope the community will be interested in the discussion, however. --LelalMekha (talk) 18:53, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * By the way, kudos for not misusing the word literally. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 19:10, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Itchy in GB
Hey, Lelal, I've looked through the GB stuff in Attichitcuk's article and here's what I've got: Feel free to ask me things like this any time :) I also made some small changes to the article which you might want to check out. Cheers!  Commander Code-8  G'day, mate 23:21, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * It needs to be said that Alaris Prime had just been discovered by the Wookiees before they wanted to colonize it, there's an article for that here you can link to.
 * The part about Attichitcuk representing the Wookiees needs to say he represented them in the Senate
 * The GB databank also mentions that Chewbacca found the katarn claws Itchy collected after the time he killed twenty of them, which I can't see written in the article.
 * Shoran is also Chewbacca's cousin, which could be quickly mentioned when he is first shown in this article
 * Needs to be said that Attichitcuk was awarded the honor of leading Alaris Prime in colonizing it for his efforts in getting rights to the planet
 * Qui-Gon needs to be properly introduced in the article and linked to
 * Echuu also destroys the Vor'Na'Tu, which should be said. I also think that section could be expanded to have a bit more detail of what they do in that battle.
 * Attichitcuk can be used by the player after he's rescued on Avatar orbital platform, which means you could write a bit more about what happens at the platform since he took part in it.
 * The game also says that Attichitcuk was looking for Chewbacca when he helped Leia and Echuu, since he hadn't seen Chewie for a while and he had been enslaved by the Empire, which isn't said in the article
 * I know a quote's already in the section New governments and slaving rings, but in GB when you free Attichitcuk from Avatar Han says, "I love family reuinions" which I think is a better quote than the one already there. It's you choice though
 * The Bts bit about GB should say that if Attichitcuk dies in any of the campaigns he appears in the player loses the level.
 * Whoops, GB actually just says that Itchy was searching for Chewbacca after his enslavement by the Empire, it doesn't nescessarily say he hadn't seen him for ages. In terms of the O.5 date, I couldn't tell you anything since I don't have the NEC.  Commander Code-8  G'day, mate 00:03, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, he was introduced in a fairly early source and was later used in other EU stuff, so it's not that suprising that there's some continuity problems. You might have to say at some point during the article that Itchy met Leia, but I'm not sure where you would.  Commander Code-8  G'day, mate 00:12, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Tanbris
Hello Lelal, good work expanding the Tanbris article. I have one initial question: can we source him being played by Andy Bradford to A New Hope? From Googling Andy Bradford and Tanbris, it definitely does seem to be true, but I would believe it needs to be sourced to something else. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 00:09, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Ob Khaddor
No worries! OtterSurf (talk) 20:08, January 23, 2013 (UTC)

CA noms expired
Hey Lelah, just wanted to let you know that at least one of your CANs has an objection unanswered for more than a week now (Gungan dunk tank) and another that is heading the same path (Unidentified Wookiee passenger). Winterz (talk) 01:20, January 26, 2013 (UTC)

Galen Torg
Hello Lelal, given the fact you originally worked on Royal Award Ceremony, and are also working on Tanbris, could you check the various sources and adaptations of ANH for Torg? Also, do you have the PhotoComic? I personally would imagine Tanbris would have been in that, but I guess that scene could have also been skipped. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 00:52, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries about that. During the school semesters, I tend to refrain from actually nominating any articles (except for quick CANs during the beginning), so you can take your time with those. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 01:17, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey Lelal, yeah I checked the Rebel Honor Guard page, and it has a scarcity of both sources and appearances, and no ANH adaptations or even other sources. Anyhow, two things before I go to bed: is there any context on his quote, or was it just thrown in there? The other question: I assume you do have a good amount of ANH adaptations and other stuff given your work on the aforementioned articles, but would you mind if I also ask someone else to check too, just to be sure I get everything? Menkooroo is someone whom I have frequently asked requests of this nature to. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 06:15, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for what you gave so far. And yes, I do know about the Honor Guard figure, but the picture on the front of the package is an illustrated image (not clear if it's any ANH character or a separate character) and the back of the package shows only an image of the other one, so I don't think it belongs in his sourcelist. But I did cite the info it provides about the Honor Guards being Alderaan survivors, etc. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 16:24, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah many articles I work on are very minor characters from the films. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 16:30, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Though I didn't initially ask this question, may I ask how the sentries from Star Wars Droids 8: Star Wars According to the Droids, Book III looked significantly different? Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 22:40, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Didn't at all imagine they looked that different. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 22:59, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh and from the text of his action figure, would you say Torg was originally an Alliance officer on Alderaan, or just a military officer but unclear if it was Alliance? Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 23:00, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that, I did already find that, but as that is not clearly applicable to Galen, I decided to not include it. It is more appropriate for the honor guard article. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 23:20, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Transcript of Madam Nestor's letter
Hi LelalMekha! Here's the transcript you asked:

Letter to Senator Bail Organa:

To the Most Respected Senator Organa,

It is with the deepest regret that I must return to you your thirty-thousand credit bond, and your Princess. Our institution has existed for several thousand years. It prides itself in molding young girls from Alderaan's finest families into young women whose behavior and decorum is the pride of those families. However, we believe that Princess Leia is incapable of conforming to our standards. This is the unanimous decision of the Board of Directors and was arrived at due to three separate infractions.

a) The Princess led a sit-in rebellion of students during breakfast, when they were served bottled juice instead of freshly squeezed.

b) The Princess re-programmed the PA system to play the Anthem of the Republic (in direct violation of Imperial Edict 2.33b) during assembly.

c) The Princess sliced a secure mainframe and swapped every reference to Emperor Palpatine with Emperor... well, lets just say that it is a word seven year old Princesses should not know.

Yours, with respect,

Madam Nestor,

Governess, Crevasse City Collegium for Young Ladies

P.S: You did a tremendous job on Breha's and Macizia's pages among other things. Bravo!

--LennyF (talk) 15:00, January 28, 2013 (UTC)


 * Resalut! Tu n'as pas à te sentir bête. Je n'avais pas non plus remarqué que tu parlais français. Comme tu dis, on ne s'attend pas à rencontrer beaucoup de personnes parlant français sur des wikis anglophones. On n'est pas nombreux, mais on existe quand même ;-). À la prochaine! --LennyF (talk) 16:54, January 28, 2013 (UTC)