Talk:Yuuzhan Vong

Disassembly
Shouldn't the weapons and ships be separated from this page now? -- Riffsyphon1024 20:28, Apr 20, 2005 (UTC)

History Section
I rewrote the History Section because most of the information was incorrect.-- 222.153.26.66 16:05, April 23

Hyperspace
If all the Yuuzhan Vong craft were organic, how did they ever achieve lightspeed with them? --Fade 17:03, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * "Superluminal transit" was the Vong's organic hyperdrive method. Mentioned in Agents of Chaos: Jedi Eclipse.--SparqMan 17:15, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * That just sounds like another way of saying lightspeed *blinks*. I dunno, maybe they used giant fleas and got them to jump or something.

Disclaimer: I know very little about the Yuuzhan Vong --Fade 17:20, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * They used dovin basals to literally PULL a vessel through hyperspace, which they refered to as darkspace. -- SFH 21:37, 18 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't there be an article on darkspace, then? Cmdr. J. Nebulax 21:40, 18 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Just wrote it. -- SFH 21:49, 18 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 21:50, 18 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Humanoid
Are the Yuuzhan Vong related to Humans? They resemble Humans though they are taller and heavier and also have less hair on their head. Yet, they come from another galaxy. Could humans have colonised galaxies in the distant past long before the Old Republic? That is what it says on Curtis Saxton's Star Wars Technical Commentaries. 222.152.239.165 suppose they should be but the sloped forehead and eccentricniss (don't another word for it)kinda sets them apart--Rossdaboss99 13:11, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, they could be considered near-human. Neomessiah 12:02, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * There are a lot of biological differences - their blood is a completely different color, indicating an alternate structure of hemoglobin. I can't think of what mineral it would be based on, though. They're also shown to be hardier. Nom Anor muses at one point that their lifespans are longer and it's also notable that they have a much higher pain tolerance. (Well, duh.) Near human? Maybe. The similarities are really similar. But, then again, it is every day you find a bipedal ape-based mamalian. I had a nutty theory that they were meant to be Earth humans, but... *shrugs* I, personally, would not go as far as to say that they are near-human but would leave the door open. Vongchild 22:59, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

They look similar, but that's were the resemblances end.Red Head Rider 20:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I think I've read that they look much more like humans before they undergo the whole process of mutilating their bodies.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 23:11, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Symbol
Don't the Yuuzhan Vong have a symbol? I saw the symbol in The New Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels and on the cover of Vector Prime. It resembles an insect with a symbol in the middle. This symbol can't be found on the Internet. 222.152.239.165 Found it. It's right Darth Ceratis 02:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I know the Vong have a symbol thanks to the Miniatures set. There has to be a high res version if it floating around somewhere...TIEPilot051999 05:27, 25 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I put it up but it's too big and I'm not sure how to resize it. could someone who knows more about this stuff than me make it a little smaller?Darth Ceratis 03:44, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Paper
What did the Yuuzzies use for paper? I'm calling them Yuuzzies on talk pages now. -- SFH 00:55, 18 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Paper? Why does it matter? Cmdr. J. Nebulax 21:03, 18 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Just wondering. The Intendant caste had to use something to keep track of their orders and requesitions. -- SFH 21:35, 18 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Skin of some kind most likely. Everything they have is organic, and not just floral organic. They like their stuff juicy and ripe with organs don'tcha know. --TheLIGHTSABERwieldingNERFHERDER 05:31, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * My guess would be they kept track of things with specialized villips, but that's just a guess. jSarek 07:15, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Nen Yim used something (I think it was called a qahsa (sp?) ) as sort of a diary/log when she was on Zonama Sekot. I don't know (or remember) if they are exclusive to Shapers, however. StarNeptune 07:20, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Qahsas were used as organic memory banks, so that might be it. -- SFH 15:22, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * So that's what they use for paper. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:25, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It's also pretty nonspecific. Ships have shipbrains, qahsas are like datapads, and buildings probably have brains too--Erl
 * Qahsas are, more or less, the equivalent of Datapads. They can be used to store and retrieve data, and i do believe they are a specialized sort of villip. Another thing is that they could be password locked... in a way. They would only respond to a genetic signature they had been "keyed" to. Which brings up another point - do they have a written language? I mean, they must, but there's never been any evidence. Vongchild 22:53, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Tahiri Veila was noted to have glyphs that marked her as a member of Domain Kwaad, so they would seem to have some sort of Logographic system. -- SFH 23:04, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Tahiri had scars. She could read the glyphs. Vongchild 13:51, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Vong in Outboud Flight
Palpatine ordered the Outbound Flight to be destroyed just to keep the knowledge of the Vong away from the Galaxy? Oh my God, it has finally happened...The entire Bantam EU has been retconned as prelude to the NJO! Next thing you know, they'll be saying that Palpatine formed the Empire just to stop the Vong. -- SFH 21:22, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow... I hope not. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:42, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe my initial reaction was a little alarmist, but I have my reasons. They maybe on a scale of McEwok (no offense), but it is distrubing. While Splinter of the Minds Eye was technically the beginning of the EU, nobody really cared about it until the Thrawn Trilogy. By retconning into Thrawn's origin the Yuuzhan Vong as being a reason he attacked the Outbound Flight, they essentially lay claim to being responsible for the Thrawn Trilogy, and by proxy, the EU. It's crazy and deluded, I know, but I can only ask this: when trying to emphasize the terrors of the Unknown Regions, why did they pick an extragalactic species? -- SFH 00:23, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's wierd. At least some species from inside the Galaxy, even if this species was unknown. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:10, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It bugged me some too, but then I remembered that Palps, good old Palps, is a cheating, lying, scheming bastard. He told Thrawn he wanted to defend against the Vong, and Thrawn may have even believed him, but it's beside the point. Palps didn't care about the Vong at all, and Thrawn's desire to defeat the Vong is a long-term goal: weakened by time, and routine, and service to the Empire. It's little more than a contingency plan by the Thrawn Trilogy--Erl 02:26, 18 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Palpatine knew about the vong? And he didn't think they were a threat?

Not the only known life originated outside the Galaxy?
I mean Kwa came to the Star Wars galaxy long before even the first Yuuzhan Vong scout ship came possilibly at about 4000BBY at time of the Mandalorian War. Right? -Darth Tader

Similar to other races
Has anyone noticed that the Yuuzhan Vong bear a strong similarity to the Ssi-Ruuk and the Charon. The Ssi-Ruuvi caste system almost mirrors the Yuuzhan Vong's caste, and they are similar to the Charon in that they use organic technology, are extragalactic (though the Charon are from another dimension) and the obssession with death. Blaine Harris actually noted the Ssi-Ruuk/Yuuzhan Vong similarity. Should we put that in a "Behind the scenes" section? -- SFH 02:12, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Definitely mention that in BTS, if nowhere else. &mdash; Silly Dan 02:17, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't forget the Yevetha and the similarity of worshipping the leader as a god, as well as tendency to fight to the death even if they can't win. Thanos6 02:30, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I remember thinking when I was reading Vector Prime that "they SO should have made these guys the Charon." jSarek 02:57, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Isn't there another unknown extragalactic race from the Marvel Star Wars comics? I seem to remember it from the old Essential Chronology. Anyone remember? — SavageBob 19:29, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope--Rossdaboss99 13:32, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, actually there were two, the Nagai and the Tof, but they were retconned to being natives of the vUnknown Regions. Evir Daal 14:13, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Game
With all this cool weaponry and stuff wouldn't it be cool if they had thier own game???????????--Rossdaboss99 19:12, 6 May 2006 (UTC) I would rather play as the New Republic, Jedi, and Galactic Alliance, against the Yuuzhan Vong. --LordNyax13 8:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It would be fun to shoot at them, I must admit. Get some of that aggression over Vector Prime out my system. -- SFH 19:41, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That would be alright, but what I meant was where you play as the Yuuzhan Vong and the amphistaff and stuff and have to earn credits (or another biological form of curency) and that to make your way through the castes of Yuuzhan Vong life and to but biological upgrades for your self e.g Blorash jelly, fighting claw, steng's talons or grutchin, maybe. It's a thought.--Rossdaboss99 13:30, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * So would I. Get to shot some scarheads. -- SFH 03:23, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah,I would like to see what the Vong's puny Ampistaffs and Thud bugs can do against an Imperial heavy repeater or other weapons that are vastly superior to Vong weaponry. --LordNyax13 8:29, 9 June 2006 (UTC

legacy
is the section to broad? it had infomation which seems more blurby about the whole conflict rather than just appropriate to the vong? does it need trimming? Jedi Dude 17:06, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I feel this section is entirely useless and borders on fanon.

However, despite its ridiculous and extremely stupid ideas, it seems to play a large part in the "comic book" dominated era of 30-50 BBY.

I feel that having the New Jedi Order mixed up in this comic book junk is a bad idea, and goes a long way to destroying Star Wars and Wookieepedia credibility.

I have found no place where I can request that Wookieepedia stop the flow of comic book junk, perhaps considering comic book sources as "fanon" and disallowing comic book pictures and ideas as sources would be an excellent idea.

Star wars universe should consist of primarily movie and book related sources, with occasional videogame references, if they are feasible and seem well suited to the star wars universe.

None of the comic books seem feasible or at all like star wars..... clones, horrible battle droid ideas and worse abound.

Currently Wookieepedia is a few high quality movie references awash in a sea of comic book garbage. Look at Darth Vader's awesome page.....ruined by the idiotic ideas of fighting a "clone" darth maul....whose fan's demented idea was that? Or the dark woman? We should work to remove this ridiculous comic book overtone from Wookieepedia, and preserve its repuation.
 * Comic books are canon unless stated as Infinities - Kwenn 21:35, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

I dont want to appear belligerent, but this really is something that should be cleaned up. The comic book plots are moronic at best.... surely we can get some consensus to at least purge movie related articles of them?

For instance, how about having a separate comic book section, where all comic book pictures and references would be relocated.

As otherwise, the majority of wookieepedia becomes something of a farce to the casual, or even hardcore star wars fan who likes the movies and possibly games....not comic books designed to entertain 11 year olds, butchering star wars in the process.

Do action figures also count as canon? See how ridiculous it is?
 * I repeat: Comic books are canon unless stated as Infinities. That is official policy. We change nothing - Kwenn 21:45, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * this is getting off topic, what i was asking is does the Legacy part ned to be so large, it seems to contain more than just the Vong part of the war, instead it seems to have a broad view of the war itself. Jedi Dude 21:59, 19 July 2006 (UTC)
 * For the legacy section being too broad, I agree with you. They should be scaled down to the Vong relevant info, as it is pretty much talked about places more suited. As for the anti-comic anon, your objections to comics being counted on as fanon on Wookieepedia is noted, and rejected. While I agree with your opinions on this particular comic, we follow the LFL outline itself on what is considered canonical and what is not. One cannot pick and chose their canon; that's movie purism. -- SFH 22:40, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Incorrectly abbreviated?
If "Vong" is not a real abbreviation, just slang/slurs made up the denizens of the Galaxy, does that mean we shouldn't call them Vong? &mdash; Aiddat (Holonet) (Contribs Log) 13:22, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess not. We don't call Swokes Swokes simply "Swokes", after all - Kwenn 16:58, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It is used in correct grammer both in and out of universe, but the Yuuzhan Vong themselves consider it more insulting than...well, being called a machine, basically. That's why I call them Yuuzzies. However, for in-universe articles, we should probably convert "Vong" to "Yuuzhan Vong", unless it is a quote. -- SFH 17:02, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, if I recall the YV actually felt insulted when referred to only as "Vong". My guess is because it might mean "Children", since "Yuuzhan Vong" means "Children of the Gods" --Sauron18 00:34, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Force Connection
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't Anakin Solo able to find them in the Force after using one of their lighting crystals in his saber? Jachra 20:47, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but as Jacen Solo explained, Vongsense wasn't finding them through the Force, but through things connected with the Vong. I think Vongsense might be some sort of biological reaction to the Midi-chlorians in a Force-sensitive reacting to the lack of Force found in the Yuuzhan Vong's biotech, but that just ruins the "mystic" aspect, and a fanon theory, so we won't go there.


 * So...are there any explanations as to why most vong aren't connected to the force? There was that one force sensitive vong, so why was that vong sensitive and no one else?


 * Can a Yuuzhan Vong be force-sensitive - Darth Fury

Spoilers?
Shouldn't there be a spoiler warning in this article? It gives away alot about the New Jedi Order series. --Darthvadersnewmaster 23:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Spoilers are only used when the article's contents are upcoming or recently come out. NJO ended three years ago, so the spoilers are unneeded. -- SFH 00:46, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * But there are still some people reading them, so it wouldn't hurt to warn them would it? ~-Darthvadersnewmaster 20:45, 11 August 2006 (UTC)-~

Is biotech superior?
Is it really right to say the biotech was superior. I was left with the impression that while it was vastly different, it wasn't superior. Once the New Republic adapted to it they were about equal. Granted it heals, but that is about the only advantage. And even then, healing takes time while repairs can be done just as fast if not faster.. Dovin basals suffer the same limitations in hyperspace and can only travel in hyperspace if they have something to lock on to. Lava cannons have to visit asterioid fields or broken planets once they run out and can only carry so much as rocks can be carried in solid or liquid form. The villips could only communicate with specific ones unless breed otherwise. Every bit of technology would need nourishment from somewhere requiring resources devoted to that. Also, it would age and die eventually unlike some pieces of technology that can be shut off and then restarted years later. Shouldn't the wording in the article change to reflect this?

Pic from New Alien Species Guide
Can somebody scan and upload the Vong pic from The New Essential Guide to Alien Species and put it in the character template? Personally, I think it's much better suited for the article than the one that's already there. TIEPilot051999 18:12, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Japanese Vong?
I read an article on the 'net somewhere (can't remember the page) that compared the Vong to the Japanese in WW2. It said that the Galactic Empire was supposed, at least in part, to resemble Nazi Germany (COMPNOR, uniforms, human supremacy etc), while the Vong, the New Enemy, was designed to resemble WW2 Imperial Japan. They brought up a few points to support it: The Vong suddenly attack out of nowhere; think their sovereign ruler is a god; are obsessed with bravery, fanaticism, honour, and warrior code; their officers carry "swords"; perform vivisections and biological experiments; are alien supremacists as opposed to human (as the WW2 Japanese were Asian supremacists as opposed to White like the Nazis); begin a highly succesful blitzkrieg but are defeated due to their smaller industrial capacity and numbers; have superior technology in the beginning that is countered later in the war; and a couple of other things. It was all speculation, of course (that site was not official, I remember that), but perhaps it's something for Behind the scenes? Evir Daal 14:30, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's certainly some good info, but I think we need a link before we can add it. TIEPilot051999 15:10, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Even if that's true, do we really need to add it? I mean, we know that the Empire and the Vong and all those villains are evil, but we don't need to make direct connections to all the evil stuff in our own world. - lalala_la
 * Now you mention it, when I heard the books on cd the guy did give the Vong a somewhat Japanese-sounding accent.Darth Ceratis 19:16, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, their names sound Mandarin, so it is tempting to interpret it as if the Vongs subliminally were an expression anti-Asianism. I doubt that's the case though. KEJ 15:07, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It wasn't my intent (or, I think, that of the people behind the site I drew upon for my comment, which I'm still looking for) to call the Vong an expression of anti-Asianism. All I, at least, meant with the comparison was to say that, like the Empire, the Vong may have been based on a WWII enemy of the USA, Imperial Japan. Politics all set aside. Evir Daal 07:48, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course, when it comes down to it, most of these "Evil Empire" stereotypes are about the same anyway.Darth Ceratis 04:26, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Aggressive "Behind The Scenes" section
I find the "behind the scenes" section quite aggressive against the Yuzzhan Vong. C'mon, not everyone hate them, and this comparison with the chinese is ridiculous!
 * I wouldn't call it aggressive, though it does seem as though, especially the Fan criticism section, may have been penned by one of the fans who dislikes the Yuuzhan Vong species in the EU. - JMAS 19:41, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, come to think of it, they kind of resemble the Aztecs, too, their religion is basically Aztecism. But as they are portrayed, I think they do bear a rather strong resemblance to WW2 Imperial Japan. But I agree with you on that paragraph about the chinese comparison. Anyway, a fair lot of people do dislike the Vong, and the section reflects that. Evir Daal 09:06, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I remember us deciding to remove "fan criticism" sections on other articles.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 14:19, 20 December 2006 (UTC)