Talk:Meetra Surik

See also Talk:Jedi Exile/Archive.

Obscured by a lightsaber (2)

 * 1) Ozzel 06:52, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) BaronGrackle 09:50, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) QuentinGeorge 09:58, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) As long as it's not a pic of her in her undies...  StarNeptune Talk to me! 10:04, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) Conceals her skin color, eye color, hair color etc. which have not been canonically established yet... and it's a damn nice image full of action, just the way we like it. KEJ 10:25, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 12:13, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 7) Shinin 12:19, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Obscured by a Force power

 * 1) Sikon [ Talk ] 06:30, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) I take it we're assuming that the Exile wore these robes as well now. Jasca Ducato 08:47, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Snoop 18:35, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Underwear 1

 * 1) I'd vote for either of these, or even for a picture of her in any clothes from the face down. I just don't like having her face clouded by some Force bubble or whatever. Kuralyov 06:39, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * yep, agree, but this one is better ]:-> SkywalkerPL 10:53, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Underwear 2

 * 1) Though I think we should remove some color. Master Starkeiller 08:44, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

If female Exile is canoned...
Will this article start refering to her as the canon female, like the Revan article does with the canon male preferance? And what art work will be used in the photo?


 * Sure, why not. Jasca Ducato 18:16, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes it will (I'll take care of that :)). However, Obsidian's promotional picture will probably be left, as it's the only known image of the Exile. - Sikon 17:01, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm sure someone can donate a photo (or in our case, a screenshot) (maybe myself, if no one else wants to) of a possible female Exile, and then we can edit any other article that mentions the Jedi Exile accordingly. - DAWUSS 7:19 PM 30 Jan 2005
 * If the female gender is canonized, then I'd suggest using the female face that they show in the little booklet you get with the game. Whenever they show the user in example screenshots, the face is that of a blond woman.Cull Tremayne 02:28, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

I like lightside male better.
 * Erm, ok. Jasca Ducato 19:51, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

"Can't we just pick light side male by default until it's decided by an official source?" -MPK


 * well, apparently its confiermed as canon, hes a female :P we need to sort the article and pic out. Jedi Dude 20:41, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Jedi Dude: where at? Randy Starkiller 20:44, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Look at the bottem of this page, apparently its in the New Droids guide. Jedi Dude 20:52, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd like confirmation from someone besides an anon before we change anything. - Lord Hydronium 20:57, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * well, it looks like hes defoo a she. Jedi Dude 11:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Easter egg?

 * An easter egg exists when using the random name generator where the name Lann Darth is available.

Could anyone explain why this is an easter egg? "Darth" as a last name may be peculiar, but I'd hardly go so far as to call that an easter egg. Is the name supposed to resemble a better known one? 82.92.119.11 14:54, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

DS picture
Can we get the promotional picture of the DS male Exile? It looks just like the one in the article, but the opposite. I think that would fairly portray the two possibilites offered by the game. Varas Halcyon 12:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

nickname tag
Does anyone think this artical quaifies for a " " tag? His name was not "Jedi Exile" however he is called that IU LTIC so it doesn't quaifis for a " " tag.
 * For all we know his name might have been "Jedi Jospeh Exile" or some strange name like that. We could, but i don't really mind either way. Jasca Ducato 18:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Jedi Exile was NOT called "Jedi Exile" IU. - Sikon [ Talk ] 18:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Erm, seeing as thats what Darth Sion calls him, he is called it IU. Jasca Ducato 19:24, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * So add the tag?
 * In-game characters speaking English call him Exile, but I am not sure about Jedi followed by Exile. As in the first game, only aliens call him with the custom name. I vote for the tag anyway MoffRebus 01:04, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't get why this article is called 'Jedi Exile'. That name may be more self-explanatory, but in the game the character is almost exclusively called just the "Exile". (see Wookieepedia:Naming conventions)--Sentry 01:36, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * To repeat: in-game, he is just called "the exile". Without capitalization. - Sikon [ Talk ] 02:44, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * And capitalization is relevant why? In any case, the title of the article has be capitalized because the word exile would, in this context, be used as a proper noun.--Sentry 03:08, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Why not rename the article "The General." Sure there were lots of Jedi Generals, but given in context, it would be easily recognized. You would also be able to remove the nickname tag. My suggestion to Mr. Che is that The General be made official canon. Revan was easier to do, as the name the player chose was chalked up to a reprogrammed identity. The Exile doesn't have amnesia, so you can't blame the player chosen name on that.--PhilCarr 15:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Nah. It's always been the Exile. Thats the way he is always referred to. General is only by Bao-Dur. Exile is by Atton, Kreia, Vrook, Zez, Grenn. That's the way he is mostly known as. The Exile. Plus, calling someone Exile just sounds cooler. "This is your gift to the galaxy, Exile..." --Redemption 23:38, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

--BHRamsay 18:32, 28 June 2006 (UTC)== Exile confirmed as female ==

I just picked up the New Essential Guide to Droids, and in it, a number of references are made to the Jedi Exile (such as in the entries for the T3 series and HK series). In all of them, the --BHRamsay 18:32, 28 June 2006 (UTC)Exile is referred to as female. This seems as good of a confirmation as any that the Exile is canonically female. Also, it consistently refers to her as a "heroine" - seemingly implying that the light side ending is canon, though that's not definite. - 15:30 CDT, 28 June 2006
 * About to make some edits to clear this problem up. - Breathesgelatin 00:33, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Three NEGD quotes (emphasis mine):

"Five standard years later, T3-M4 reappeared aboard the abandoned freighter Ebon Hawk, where he fell into the company of the heroine known only as the Jedi Exile.''"

"HK-47 teamed up with the heroine known as the Jedi Exile to battle a trio of Sith Lords."

"G0-T0 soon became mixed up with an exiled Jedi Knight and her mission to destroy the Sith Lords."

I'm not really interested in that era, and I've never played the games. But that looks pretty much like a deliberate editorial decision to me. -- Darth Culator 00:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Full clearance to change all "he"s to "she"s? And get Disciples bio filled out? --Redemption 01:02, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * This is great, now maybe some of the fans who were mad that Revan wasn't awoman will drop it now, I approve of the Exile being a female, even myself being a guy. User:RushinSundaws 9:14 27, June 2006
 * Actually, I have no intention of dropping it. Exile could have gone either way for me but I couldn't stand the Male Revan story. Revan/Bastila reminded me of the horrors of the AOTC romance. --Redemption 02:23, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Frankly, I'm not happy, because it looks like that's the only thing they thought of, not how it contributes to the story. The Handmaiden has gone from a woman who learned of her Jedi heritage, broke her oath, forsook her master and sisters for the Exile, and later was forced to fight them to...just some woman.  Atris isn't the woman who battled feelings for the Exile only to feel betrayed when he left, she's just got some sort of grudge.  I have nothing against female heroes, and agree we need more, I just don't think this was the best choice for one.  Ah well, what's done is done. - Lord Hydronium 02:27, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * YAY!!!!! For now, use Template:Exile. Also, it's good to see that they adopted "Jedi Exile", which was originally a fan nickname - hailing from IMDB, if I'm not mistaken. - Sikon [ Talk ] 05:43, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, there's a plus side to this. That's a damn funny template. - Lord Hydronium 06:15, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Except Atton was actually referring to Revan... but I think nobody cares. - Sikon [ Talk ] 06:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I would favour a female Exile just because it removes the slightly surreal concept that every single person in the galaxy either falls to the dark side or is redeemed to the light because they fall in love with The Exile. - BHRamsay 18:32, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Now if they would only have a story where a character actually does fall to the Dark side and stay there. It happens, you know, like with Palpatine or Maul. The galaxy goes on. :-) -BaronGrackle 22:02, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Image
I think we need an image that a) embellishes that Exile's female and b) obscures her face. Like this one (example, sucks). - Sikon [ Talk ] 08:23, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Why not have a picture of her wearing a mask from the game?--Dil 10:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Because it would look horrible, I think. Someone can try it, though. -Sikon [ Talk ] 11:14, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Do we want similar thing as we have on Jaden Korr? QuentinGeorge 11:15, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * yes, but how could we make sure that the figure looks femanine? is it now confirmed that the exile is female yer? Jedi Dude 11:22, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Look up - Kwenn 11:28, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I like that picture, if only becasue it would appear to have the head of my all time favourite version the Exile from all the different times I've played through KotOR II, I think maybe the best way of doing it would be to try and get a pic of the Exile from behind, and then just crop the head off, I'd recommend doing it with Jedi Master robes, they look pretty good. Basically, do the same thing as Jaden Korr. 95 Headhunter 13:17, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think we should keep regular Jedi robes, simply because that's what Exile wears for the trial flashback. Also, why show her from behind if the head gets cut anyway? - Sikon [ Talk ] 15:31, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * i dont think female exile is the way to go. all the jealousy of handmaiden and visas is gone and the interactions with people from your past make more sense as a male. the game trailer shows the exile as a male, plus the exile "jesus"head is really cool.
 * well thats nice to know anon, but shes a she, its canon. back to the picture, what are we gonna do? theres no point in cropping the head off, it won't look very good, we need to get a Jaden shot. Jedi Dude 16:56, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Just take a random appearance. There is no reason to hide the face; it just makes it look stupid. -MPK

I suggest these. I'm not joking, we now that she wore this on Peragus. Killik Brain 20:36, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunatly we don't know if the Exile was a white, black, asian, or hispanic woman. --Redemption 20:45, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Face it, the Exile's appearance will probably never be specified by an official source. Just get a screenshot that doesn't hide her face and go with it.-MPK
 * By doing that we'd be declaring that face canon, which would violate the policy. -Redemption 21:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * In that case, it would be far better to have no image than an image that sucks. -MPK
 * Okay. Go get an image that is so much better then anything shown. Since so far, all you've done is complain without contributing anything useful. --Redemption 21:49, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Just so you know, I don't have to do better to be able to complain. -MPK
 * You didn't need to tell us that for us to know...--Redemption 22:04, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The solution is to desaturate the second underwear image to almost greyscale level just like it was done in the Jaden Korr page and there will be no issues of canonicity. It's not like there are options for obese, ematiated, or one-legged Exile... The model of the Exile is the one shown in the picture, we're 101% sure she wore that while on Peragus (well, didn't wear anything actually), and without color we won't be able to see if she's white, black, blue, or green. That IS the Exile's ass no matter what. --Master Starkeiller 21:41, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, that's up to everyone else if they want a desaturated image of the Exiles back or a full color one with the head simply blocked off by her hand or something. Either way is fine by me. -Redemption 21:49, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but the desaturated back shot is the only way to deal with issues of racial identity and clothing at a particular time. It's indisputable. The only problem with it would be that it would make Wookieepedia look like a sexist site. http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/3.gif --Master Starkeiller 21:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * MPK, your not even a member, so you can harly blame us for being sceptical of you, your critisim isn't useful, its just pure complaining. so either suggest how it can be improved, make your own picture or stop moaning. Jedi Dude 22:06, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually he is a member. (whom so kindly decided to mock me on his userpage...)--Redemption 22:07, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyway, I prefer this one, the third picture in the top row. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 22:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Umm... I'm sorry, but we're not actually going with an underwear shot, are we? Shall we go ahead and change the pic of Leia Organa Solo to one in her golden bikini? :-) For what it's worth, I agree with Silly Dan on favourite shot--there's just something hokey about obscuring a person's face with a Force power. -BaronGrackle 22:18, 28 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Why don't we get a pic of the Exile in the spacesuit while walking outside Peragus? MoffRebus 08:48, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That'd be goofy. [[Image:Animated Sith.gif]] Master Starkeiller talk
 * Well, it would have to be something that hides her completely, since we don't know her skin color or hairdo or eye color or... Maybe we could go for a Jaden-solution like they did in Jaden Korr. KEJ 09:45, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * If I may make a suggestion, why don't we find a picture that shows various possible faces for the Exile? 11:42, 29 June 2006
 * because we don't want mutiple shots? they'd take up alot of room we really do need a Jaden Kor type shot, that eliminates the custom elements of the exile but shows what we do know, the blue blade and the robes from the flashback. And that pic with the force thng does look dodgy im agreeing on that. Jedi Dude 17:00, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Cannon Male
Who keeps changing the whole article up to a female? Lightside male is the canon for the jedi exile jeez. Someone should clean the thread up later.
 * You really haven't been paying attention to the "thread" up there, haven't you? -- SFH 04:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Dude, have you not been following the events of the last few days? Or are you just being obtuse? Look a little ways up the talk page, or buy a copy of The New Essential Guide to Droids. They changed the Exile from a hero to a heroine. There was a note embedded in the page source which explained this, and you deliberately ignored it. I am required by the terms of that warning to ban you for a week. I've reverted your edits and I suggest you be a little more attentive when you come back. -- Darth Culator 04:05, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Female!
This news made my day DarthMalus 04:22, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Meh. We don't need a female PC for TSL just because the first one was male. Too bad the lack of need doesn't change anything. -MPK

Well, MPK can you start signing your posts right. if you do ~ ~ ~ ~ without the spaces it does it for you. and having a female chracter helps to bring more balance to the canon community + more females may be entiched to start playing games if they know women are having there share of parts to. Jedi Dude 16:57, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

why bother about the Picture so much?
Just state that "in the course of time a lot of confusion around the true look of the knight known as "Jedi Exile" has been created, so the approvedly female Jedi often is shown in variying skin colors, looks and even - genders".

Thats meeting the "facts" nearly correctly and even covers the promotional pictures, package design etc... --18:34, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

I fail to see a reason why we need a picture at all if it won't show the Exile's face. A picture is supposed to show what a character looks like. By hiding the face, the picture does NOT show what the character looks like, which is what the picture is supposed to do. -MPK
 * I have to agree. I get just as much information about this character by looking at a picture of a faceless female body in jedi robes as I would from reading that she is a female jedi.  It just doesn't seem necessary; especially considering how much it's being changed and argued over.  If the image is illustrating something else relating to the exile, such as a notable encounter, then I'm all for a picture that shows that while obscuring the exile, but the profile picture seems like it's only feeding disputes without providing me any new information. the Ash lad 17:06, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Agreed. I would suggest either no picture at all or a picture showing varied possible appearances for the Exile - male and female. 11:44, June 29 2006


 * well, your first comment anon with 'genders' is wrong, the exile is female, thats now a fact. A picture is needed, not a picture with several different parts, a normal profle shot, but to do this we need to hide the customised part of the character, in this case the face. (We use the blue lightsaber and robes because of flashback)Jedi Dude 16:55, 30 June 2006 (UTC)