Wookieepedia:EduCorps/Meeting 45/Log

[21:00:31] All right, welcome to EC Meeting 45. [21:00:58] Do people want to have discussion items before the articles or after? [21:01:10]  after [21:01:12]  I'm good with either, personally [21:01:20] Okay, after it is. [21:01:33] Starting with the old articles... [21:01:46] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Copero [21:01:50] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7353479 [21:01:59] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:EC/Copero [21:02:08] Fred said he is working on this. [21:02:19]  almost a month ago [21:02:23] But nothing at all was changed. [21:02:29]  probe [21:02:39] This was already probed. [21:02:42]  kill [21:02:49]  Gotta kill it [21:02:52]  Yeah kill [21:02:55] Kill [21:03:09] Anyone else? [21:03:16]  WP:AST votes kill so that Copero may one day rise again, more majestic than before. [21:03:39] Okay, Copero killed. [21:03:59] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/In_the_Political_Pit [21:04:04] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7272942 [21:04:11] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:EC/In_the_Political_Pit [21:04:27]  I've done the update and Imp fixed the date [21:04:52] It looks like everything has been updated. [21:04:58] Keep [21:05:02]  Keep [21:05:05]  keep [21:05:05]  wasn't much to do. Keep [21:05:22] In the Poltical Pit kept. [21:05:35] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Interstellar_Parcel_Service [21:05:46] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7272943 [21:05:53] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:EC/Interstellar_Parcel_Service [21:06:17] Some stuff was done. [21:06:23]  we've already extended this, but this still needs a lot of work [21:06:48]  can we extend again? [21:06:51] Sure. [21:06:53]  We can [21:06:57]  I'll vote extend [21:06:58] Extend [21:07:00] <Imperators> extend [21:07:02] <CorellianPremier> Let's extend [21:07:17] Interstellar Parcel Service extended. [21:07:29] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jumerian [21:07:33] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7272945 [21:07:50] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:EC/Jumerian_(second_review) [21:08:11] Imperators got this. [21:08:21] <Supreme_Emperor> Keep [21:08:25] Keep [21:08:28] <Ayrehead02> Shit sorry [21:08:32] <Ayrehead02> Keep [21:08:41] <Imperators> that new "New Republic" category looks dumb but whatever [21:08:42] <Imperators> keep [21:09:01] <Supreme_Emperor> Hey Ayre [21:09:07] <CorellianPremier> keep [21:09:08] Jumerian kept. [21:09:30] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kubindi [21:09:34] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7272944 [21:09:45] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:EC/Kubindi_(second_review) [21:09:59] Some stuff was done, but there are still missing backup links. [21:10:21] <Ayrehead02> Since it's on GAN don't we usually leave it? [21:10:46] <Imperators> surely those are from more recently-upgraded templates [21:10:54] Probably. [21:11:07] Since it is a GAN, I guess we can keep for now. [21:11:12] <Ayrehead02> Keep [21:11:22] <Imperators> I mean, we could theoretically leave another objection on that and extend, but that'd be redundant considering the GAN [21:11:23] <CorellianPremier> keep [21:11:23] <Supreme_Emperor> I'll note it on the GAN nom page after the meeting [21:11:30] <Imperators> keep [21:11:33] <Imperators> that's a good SE [21:11:34] <Supreme_Emperor> Keep [21:11:40] Kubindi kept. [21:11:54] <Supreme_Emperor> I have no good Kubindi puns for this moment [21:11:54] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Pollus_Maksim [21:11:59] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7353476 [21:12:08] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:EC/Pollus_Maksim [21:12:25] <Imperators> "why the long face" always works [21:12:32] <Supreme_Emperor> Oh that's good XD [21:12:49] I'm not sure exactly what happened here. [21:13:14] <Imperators> apparently the stuff from the Rebel Files was added... [21:13:17] Lewis / Vitus says everything that everything has been done. [21:13:32] <Imperators> I just gave the article another fine-tune :P [21:13:59] <Supreme_Emperor> I'm not overly familiar with Rebel Files [21:14:18] <Ayrehead02> It's a Dan Wallace journal like Path of the Jedi [21:14:27] <Supreme_Emperor> Ah [21:14:34] <Ayrehead02> It's also like £120 so ppracticallyno one has it [21:14:47] <Imperators> yeah, I was about to say our Canon EC doesn't have it [21:14:55] I guess it's fine. Keep. [21:14:58] <Supreme_Emperor> Well the quote was added and a note about the brochure added to the bio [21:15:02] <Supreme_Emperor> Keep [21:15:05] <Imperators> keep [21:15:06] <Ayrehead02> Keep [21:15:09] <CorellianPremier> keep [21:15:15] Pollus Maksim kept. [21:15:27] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Milodon [21:15:32] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7353478 [21:15:40] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:EC/Milodon [21:15:46] Stuff was done. [21:16:12] <Imperators> apparently all the listed issues were addressed. the article still awaits GAN'ing [21:16:16] There are still missing archive links. [21:16:39] Since it isn't on the GAN, I guess we should extend probation. [21:16:44] <Imperators> again, it's probably "again", not "still" :P [21:16:59] <Supreme_Emperor> Extend [21:17:09] Imperators: True [21:17:16] <Imperators> it looks like it's the Databank entries [21:17:20] <Ayrehead02> Extend [21:17:25] <Imperators> sigh. extend [21:17:34] <CorellianPremier> extend [21:17:42] Milodon extended. [21:17:55] <Imperators> woooo, we've extended the centipede! [21:17:58] All right, that is all for the old articles. [21:18:05] On to the new ones... [21:18:11] <Imperators> oh god [21:18:16] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aldereenian [21:18:23]    As the BBY / ABY system was not in existence during the novel's release, the 8 ABY date will need additional sourcing. [21:18:23]    As the Atlas Companion does not mention planets, reference 2 will need to have additional explanation to source the planet's location. [21:18:51] <Ayrehead02> Probe [21:18:56] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [21:18:57] Probe [21:18:58] <CorellianPremier> yep, probe [21:19:04] <Imperators> probe [21:19:14] Aldereenian probed. [21:19:23] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Asexual_Professional_Greenputt_Tour [21:19:30]    22 BBY cannot be sourced to the HoloNet News article without additional referencing. [21:19:30]    The Star Wars Blog template in the sources section should be updated to point to the new location of the page and should have a backup link added. [21:19:38] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [21:19:49] <Imperators> probe [21:19:49] Probe [21:19:56] <CorellianPremier> probe [21:19:57] <Ayrehead02> Probe [21:20:03] <Imperators> hell, just auto-probe all the EJ's stuff :P [21:20:05] APGT probed. [21:20:16] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Grivooga [21:20:23]    As the BBY / ABY system was not in existence at the time of the comic's release, the 10 ABY date will need additional sourcing. [21:20:23]    If the subject does not have its own entry, CSWECite should be used in the sources section. [21:20:23]    The BTS should not simply regurgitate the sources list. [21:20:57] <Imperators> probe [21:21:00] <Ayrehead02> probe [21:21:02] I thought we only grouped things if they were all the same. [21:21:02] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [21:21:03] Probe [21:21:28] <CorellianPremier> probe [21:21:29] Grivooga probed. [21:21:39] <Imperators> alright, alright, we'll be good lads and look through everything [21:21:41] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mairne [21:21:48]    I believe that information can be supplied in the article about the timeframe when there was a colony on the planet. If it is in the DarkStryder campaign, I would think the colony would be in existence during the same time. [21:21:48]    Unless the planet is mentioned in The Essential Atlas additional referencing is required in Reference 1. [21:22:12] <Imperators> WP:AST votes kill, see: Copero [21:22:21] Probe [21:22:25] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [21:22:25] <Ayrehead02> Probe [21:22:25] <Imperators> probe [21:22:36] <CorellianPremier> probe [21:22:39] <Imperators> WP:AST is a shitty EC [21:22:43] Mairne probed. [21:22:46] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Menkooro_whiskey [21:22:52]    The color of the whiskey should be mentioned in the body / infobox. [21:22:52]    As the BBY / ABY system was not in existence during the novel's release, the 9 ABY date will need additional sourcing. [21:22:52]    Reference 2 should use CSWECite. [21:23:05] <Supreme_Emperor> There's a name I haven't heard in a long time [21:23:07] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [21:23:10] Probe [21:23:12] <Imperators> probe [21:23:12] <CorellianPremier> probe [21:23:15] <Ayrehead02> Probe [21:23:29] Menkooro whiskey probed. [21:23:35] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/My_Ar%27krai [21:23:43]    "The title of the book was derived from the Bothan concept of ar'krai—a total, unrelenting state of war." This cannot all be sourced to reference 4. [21:23:43]    More information can be added to the body of the article based on the quote used in the article. [21:24:14] <Ayrehead02> Probe [21:24:16] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [21:24:26] Probe [21:24:39] <Imperators> probe [21:24:54] <CorellianPremier> probe [21:25:06] Hitler joke probed. [21:25:17] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Non-Limbed_Professional_Greenputt_Tour [21:25:23]    22 BBY cannot be sourced to the HoloNet News article without additional referencing. [21:25:23]    The Star Wars Blog template in the sources section should be updated to point to the new location of the page and should have a backup link added. [21:25:28] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [21:25:30] Probe [21:25:31] <Ayrehead02> Probe [21:25:45] <Imperators> probe [21:25:49] <CorellianPremier> yep, probe [21:25:59] Golf joke probed. [21:26:12] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Non-Sentient_Professional_Greenputt_Tour [21:26:14] <Supreme_Emperor> Someday I'll try it [21:26:19]    "Participation in the league was presumably intended to be restricted to non- and semi-sentient creatures only..." This is speculation and should be reworded. [21:26:19]    22 BBY cannot be sourced to the HoloNet News article without additional referencing. [21:26:19]    The Star Wars Blog template in the sources section should be updated to point to the new location of the page and should have a backup link added. [21:26:25] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [21:26:28] Probe [21:26:33] <CorellianPremier> probe [21:26:36] <Imperators> porg [21:26:46] <Ayrehead02> Probe [21:26:51] Another golf joke probed. [21:27:02] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Not-Dead-Yet_Professional_Greenputt_Tour [21:27:08]    22 BBY cannot be sourced to the HoloNet News article without additional referencing. [21:27:08]    The Star Wars Blog template in the sources section should be updated to point to the new location of the page and should have a backup link added. [21:27:30] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [21:27:35] Probe [21:27:37] <Imperators> probe [21:27:43] <Ayrehead02> Probe [21:27:53] <CorellianPremier> probe [21:27:57] Senior citizen golf joke probed. [21:28:04] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tapas [21:28:12]    The mention of 28 ABY is exclusive to the introduction. [21:28:12]    The release date for the novel is not self-sourcing. [21:28:12]    Star Wars Fandex Deluxe Edition has Tapas listed in its appearances section. This needs to be checked out and added to the article if it is true.--Exiled Jedi (talk) 15:52, February 17, 2018 (UTC) [21:28:22] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [21:28:30] Probe [21:28:30] <Ayrehead02> Porbe [21:28:39] <CorellianPremier> probe [21:28:52] <Imperators> Spanish appetizers keep you warm. probe [21:28:56] Tapas probed. [21:29:12] Checking the maintenance bin... [21:29:25] <Supreme_Emperor> We have Gondar [21:29:30] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gondar?t=20180204151503 [21:29:37] Needs an update. [21:29:46] And backup links. [21:30:06] <Imperators> and citation templates [21:30:19] <Imperators> i.e., [21:30:20] http://starwars.wikia.com/Template:Shortstory [21:30:26] <Imperators> thanks delta [21:30:46] Probe [21:30:49] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe it [21:30:50] <Ayrehead02> Probe [21:30:55] <CorellianPremier> probe [21:31:26] Gondor Gondar probed. [21:31:44] All right on to discussion items, unless anyone has other articles. [21:31:45] <Imperators> does the Tamtel Skreej CCG card really have no link? [21:31:49] <Imperators> sorry [21:32:06] <Imperators> EJ, there's also Skako in the maintenance bin [21:32:24] <Imperators> with an more than a week old [21:32:24] http://starwars.wikia.com/Template:Inuse [21:32:34] My bad, http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Skako?t=20180204044258 [21:33:00] Merging in Skako Minor? [21:33:11] *Merging into [21:33:45] <Supreme_Emperor> I'm thinking so [21:34:00] <Imperators> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Skako_Minor [21:34:05] <Supreme_Emperor> If they are the same [21:34:19] <Imperators> sadly that article doesn't have anything relevant in the BTS [21:34:30] Okay, I guess we need to probe this for the merge then. [21:34:38] <Imperators> probe [21:34:41] Probe [21:34:44] <CorellianPremier> probe [21:34:44] <Ayrehead02> Probe [21:34:59] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [21:35:00] Skako probed. [21:35:07] All right, any other articles? [21:35:31] <Imperators> what do we do with Mimban? [21:35:43] <Imperators> nothing until there's more info? [21:36:02] Well, the source isn't release yet / a month old, so I guess we wait for now. [21:36:16] *isn't released [21:36:21] <Imperators> ah, right, the one-month rule [21:36:26] <Imperators> ok nevermind then [21:36:30] <Supreme_Emperor> Source is -3 months old :P [21:36:32] <Ayrehead02> Yeah technically it's up to date with released material [21:36:44] All right, onto discussions. [21:36:57] Imperators has the floor for the Redux proposal. [21:37:22] <Imperators> actually, I was thinking maybe we can start with the userbox thing? since it should be a bit shorter [21:37:27] Okay. [21:38:15] All right, we currently don't have an official CA userbox template. [21:38:27] We have this user subpage that MJ created: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Master_Jonathan/UserCAsingle [21:39:04] I think that we should adopt this as an official userbox like the GA / FA templates. [21:39:12] Thoughts? [21:39:26] <Supreme_Emperor> Yes [21:39:28] <Imperators> if we pass this, we can just move the page, right? [21:39:39] <Ayrehead02> Sounds good to me [21:39:39] <Imperators> or, no, wait. [21:39:48] <Imperators> we should actually implement it separately [21:39:57] <Imperators> because it's still MJ's page :P [21:40:00] Since it is a user sub-page we will need to create a separate page. [21:40:15] But it will basically be the same thing. [21:40:20] <CorellianPremier> Absolutely [21:40:54] Okay, now for the official vote: Yes for creating the official userbox, no for not creating an official userbox: [21:41:05] <Ayrehead02> Yes [21:41:08] <Imperators> Yes [21:41:10] Yes [21:41:13] <Supreme_Emperor> Yes [21:41:26] <CorellianPremier> yes [21:41:26] ecks also votes yes. [21:41:44] Official CA userfox proposal passes 6-0. [21:41:58] <Imperators> will we need to convert the existing links to the subpage? [21:42:15] <Supreme_Emperor> Yay bots [21:42:25] I figure users that care can convert their pages over. [21:42:33] MJ's page isn't going anywhere. [21:42:52] If you want me to bot your page, just tell me. [21:43:25] <Imperators> I don't use those things, sorry. :P [21:43:55] Okay, now for the redux discussion. [21:44:29] <Imperators> well, as EJ suggested to me, the proposal should be offered up at the upcoming Mofference [21:44:33] <Imperators> here's what I have now [21:44:38] <Imperators> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Imperators_II/test2 -- the page [21:44:51] <Imperators> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Imperators_II/test4 -- the instructions [21:45:11] <Imperators> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Imperators_II/test3 -- the template. I'm open to suggestions [21:45:18] <Imperators> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Imperators_II/test5 -- and this thing [21:45:26] <Imperators> all lifted from the mighty AgriCorps, of course [21:46:03] <Supreme_Emperor> Essentially the exact same process, yes? [21:46:28] Does the AC have guidelines for what is considered large enough to require a redux? [21:46:33] <Imperators> Yes. I've opted to adopt the AC version instead of the Inq version. The AC version 1) has nominations listed on that separate page, 2) needs 3 AC votes, 3) counts only AC votes [21:46:40] <Imperators> not that I've seen [21:46:46] <Imperators> Inq does [21:46:50] That's what I thought. [21:47:00] <Imperators> I don't think it'd be practical for the EC, though [21:47:21] <Imperators> Inq just deals with material in bulk :P [21:47:39] I imagine for CAs that any substantial changes would be enough. [21:48:03] <Imperators> let me link the latest example [21:48:07] Since they don't have much content to start with. [21:48:23] <Imperators> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Thuna_system&diff=7323505&oldid=7250086 [21:48:26] <Supreme_Emperor> Any small mention is certain to result in a "large" change [21:48:52] <Ayrehead02> Yeah relative to article size I'd agree [21:49:34] As long as we aren't reduxing for everything. [21:49:53] <CorellianPremier> Maybe a 25% in byte size? [21:51:23] Well, there are also instances where the article might be rewritten without changing the size much. [21:51:35] <Imperators> true [21:51:36] So, I think we will probably need to play it by ear in a lot of cases. [21:51:50] <Supreme_Emperor> It seems like we'd have to do it on a case by case basis [21:52:38] <Ayrehead02> Yeah I think we have enough common sense between us to be reasonable with it [21:52:51] <Imperators> seems like everyone is in favor of having the process. Would we be good with the three items I listed? [21:53:02] <Imperators> having only ECs vote, and needing 3 votes? [21:53:09] <Supreme_Emperor> That works for me [21:53:15] <CorellianPremier> Sure [21:53:23] Yeah, assuming that Inqs and ACs count as ECs. [21:53:25] <Ayrehead02> Yup [21:53:56] Before we present this at the Mofference we probably want to make a unique page template, but that is a minor detail. [21:53:58] <Imperators> oh, damn, only CP's an EC. Nah, I need to revise the draft so that only one EC vote is necessary :P [21:54:12] <Imperators> yeah, that, too. Any bright ideas? [21:54:19] I think we can trust ACs and Inqs. [21:54:26] <CorellianPremier> Indeed [21:54:49] <Supreme_Emperor> I would hope so XD [21:55:19] <Ayrehead02> I dunno alot of dubious stuff goes on in the AC chat channel [21:55:19] I can't think of anything of the top of my head. We can think on that before we present this. [21:55:33] <Imperators> (OK, we probably don't need to hold up the meeting over the template ideas) [21:55:43] Okay, any further discussion items? [21:55:51] <Imperators> not from me [21:55:55] <Ayrehead02> Nope [21:55:56] <Supreme_Emperor> None here [21:56:03] <CorellianPremier> Nope we're good [21:56:11] Okay, on to meeting duties... [21:56:41] exiledjedi has paperwork. [21:56:54] And Fred schedules Meeting 46. [21:56:55] <Imperators> Ayre, you would have come close to hinting at the existence of the Cabal, if there was one. [21:57:05] <Imperators> dat frd moot [21:57:17] <Imperators> fast food again [21:57:19] All right, thanks for coming guys. [21:57:23] <Imperators> thanks for hosting, EJ [21:57:26] <Supreme_Emperor> Thanks for hosting EJ [21:57:28] No problem. [21:57:29] <CorellianPremier> Definitely!