Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/K'Kruhk


 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a featured article nomination that was unsuccessful. Please do not modify it.

(6 Inqs/18 Users/24 total)
Support Oppose
 * 1) QuentinGeorge 11:17, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Kuralyov 13:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)  StarNeptune Talk to me! 16:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) JMAS 22:16, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 6)   Greyman ( Paratus ) 01:17, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Adamwankenobi 23:57, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Yeah.-Darthtyler
 * 9)  Jaina Solo ( Talk ) [[Image:Jainasolosig.gif |25px]] 14:22, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) great article AdmirableAckbar 14:37, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 11) -- Eyrezer 06:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 12) Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 18:10, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 13) Graestan 17:36, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 14) Green Tentacle (Talk) 21:33, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 15) Jorrel [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Fraajic 03:42, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 16) Why not? [[Image:The Death of Ki-Adi-Mundi.jpg|40px]]  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers! ) 18:55, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 17) SingAurraSing 23:03, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 18) Teemto 20:39, 29 July 2007
 * 19) Good Artical  Dark Lord Xander  ( Embrace The Dark Side! )[[Image:MandalorianSymbol.jpg|20px]] 06:42, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 20)  Thefourdotelipsis 01:25, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 21)  Victor  ( talk ) 00:14, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 22) Cato Neimoidia 02:25, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 23) -Darth Homer 18:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) -Darth Homer 18:42, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Expand intro, section the Clone Wars...section, and I cock my eyebrow, sah, at the sectioning of the BtS. Thefourdotelipsis 11:33, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Intro and sectioning done. Can't see what's wrong the BtS. It looks crap as a bullet or one massive chunky paragraph. QuentinGeorge 11:44, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ditch the portrayal subsection. And expand...something. Note that he's the only EU -based character to be in Clone Wars. Previously established. You know what I mean. Thefourdotelipsis 12:09, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Aayla was in the Clone Wars as well. But done, anyway. QuentinGeorge 12:10, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Too cursory in its coverage. It could use a lot of fleshing out. Also, we know that there will be a flood of information on K'Kruhk between now and its actually being featured, so it might be best to hold off anyway. Havac 18:05, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Tell me where it needs to be expanded, and I'll expand it. The fact he is going to make more appearances isn't an objection as we featured Darth Bane shortly before the release of Path of Destruction. QuentinGeorge 21:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Havac, look at the queue. Even approving this today would mean, at earliest, it doesn't appear on the front page until April 2008. Plenty of time for his Legacy and Dark Times appearances to be fully integrated in before he shows up on the front page. QuentinGeorge 21:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I'm not objecting on those grounds. Just suggesting that holding off a bit could improve it. But anway, all the Republic stuff, bar Seleucamai, reads like a very breezy overview -- he went here and fought there and this person died, but there's no feel of what happened. Take, for example, the Vos/Viento thing. It says he was assigned to protect Viento, Vos assassinated Viento, he got hurt. It's lacking in substance. Mention the fact that Vos sneaked past him at night. Mention that he caught Quin just too late. Mention that they went over the balcony in the fight and K'Kruhk bounced off an airspeeder and was lucky to survive. As is, it covers everything, but not to the comprehensive level expected of a featured article. Also, looking again, it could use a powers and talents section -- his healing skill could be mentioned there. And I'm also objecting on grounds of image quality now -- putting the Clone Wars crap as his main pic over one of Jan's far more realistic and detailed drawings is a clear mistake. If you want a headshot, find a Jan headshot or crop a Jan full-body shot down. Havac 21:44, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I disagree that his animated depiction is "crap", but will replace with a comic headshot if that is what people want. I was mainly trying to put a bit of variety in, since I'd used all comic depictions in the biography. QuentinGeorge 21:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * As I side note, some of the detail requirements for these bios seem faintly ridiculous in that we have to chronicle every single step someone takes but, if those are the rules, then those are the rules and I will comply. QuentinGeorge 21:54, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The image from the cartoon doesn't do the article much good. It should be replaced with a shot from one of the comics (perhaps the Dark Times one?). &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:57, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Jack, I've already said I'm going to replace the image and your antics on the Muun page don't exactly inspire confidence in your ability to spot a good one. QuentinGeorge 22:11, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Additionally, I'd rather you didn't do a "cleanup" of the article when I'm trying to expand the damn thing. 22:14, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Why are you lashing out at me? I give my opinion on the main image and then try to clean up the article, and then you scold me as if I did something wrong. What's your problem? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:16, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

'''Objection overridden by Inquisitorius - Inq/K'Kruhk 05:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC) '''Objection overridden by Inquisitorius - Inq/K'Kruhk 05:12, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Karohalva I oppose this article on the grounds that using a Clone Wars Cartoon picture in the info-box is a crime against Star Wars. It sounds silly, yes, but it is true.
 * Please read what I have written above. I am going to replace it, as soon as I find a suitable headshot. QuentinGeorge 22:03, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oops. Sorry then. What say you just crop a full-body shot? That should be Wookieepedian-legal. Karohalva
 * I have to agree with Jack about the CW image for the infobox. I don't think it's crap, but I don't think it's the kind of image we want for an infobox unless there is no other option, such as with the Voolvif Monn and Foul Moudama articles. I went ahead and cropped the Siege of Saleucami image to just his headshot and put that up in the infobox. Does that meet everyone's approval? - JMAS 22:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Eh, I said it's "crap" because a) I don't like the CW animation style and b) it's far less detailed and realistic than the comics pictures. It certainly deserves to be in the article, but it's not nearly a good enough depiction to be his main shot when better alternatives exist. It would be like using this as the infobox shot for Jerec. Or basically, what JMAS just edit-conflicted with me to say. Havac 22:25, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think this new image is much better. And Quentin, don't lash out at me again. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:26, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, please. Don't be so melodramatic. 22:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I don't really mind what image is used, and I'm happy to go with that one. I'm at work now, so I'll do a "Talents and Powers" section when I get home. If anyone else has more they'd like added, please tell me. In terms of images, I think its probably ok how it is now. Less is more. QuentinGeorge 22:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Melodramatic? I'm not the one who lashed out at another user just because they suggested a new main image and tried to clean up an article. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:32, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * This page is not designed for user arguments. Cool it please. Atarumaster88  00:37, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Back on topic, I have (once again) cleaned up the article. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 00:42, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I've significantly changed the article, added more, added a abilities section, etc. Any more objections? 07:33, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Can people please strike objections that have been satisfied? Please? - QuentinGeorge 03:19, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * K'Kruhk remembered this and used the concept to help the Jedi evade pursuing Yinchorri starfighters. Can this be expanded? How did K'Kruhk do this?
 * found himself fighting for his life on Yibikkoror. Were they ambushed or what?
 * After their escape. How did they escape?
 * It was in this mission that his Master was killed, battling for her life on Yinchorr. More detail please. --Eyrezer 05:23, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Addressed. QuentinGeorge 05:57, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Can we get some more info on the mission to Teyr. Why were the losses so high? K'Kruhk's fault? outnumbered? Or is it only mentioned in passing?
 * Only mentioned in one comic frame, yet I've expanded it to the best of my ability. QuentinGeorge 10:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice extrapolation. --Eyrezer 23:45, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The last point I have, can the paragraph introducing the purge survival be made to flow more from the previous paragraph? --Eyrezer 03:27, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * How's that? QuentinGeorge 10:14, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Resolved --Eyrezer 06:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Nasty little [source?] tag in the powers and abilities section needs to go. Green Tentacle (Talk) 10:33, 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Solid article, overall. Fix that unsourced statement in Powers section and I'd be glad to give my support. &mdash;Mir  len 

Comments Other than that, however, the article looks great. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 18:10, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Aware that it may be short. Would be willing to listen to expansion suggestions. QuentinGeorge 11:17, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Here are a couple suggestions that might be good. But overall, great article.
 * More on Giiett's "trick," and what caused K'Kruhk to remember it. - Taken care of
 * Name the other Jedi who finished K'Kruhk's training, if possible. If he or she's identity is never revealed, than ignore this. He's never named, we only know him because of the specific comment "my first master, implying a second one. QuentinGeorge 09:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Mention that Tholme did not, in fact die. It makes no sense for Aalya Secura to remember him as one of those who died, and then for him to assist the Republic's victory. - Taken care of
 * One unsourced statement in Powers and Traits. - Taken care of. QuentinGeorge 09:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Right, gimme a bit to address those. Might take a while, since I've been a bit lazy with RL lately. QuentinGeorge 05:30, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've taken care of all of that except for the dang whiphid hibernation thing. Now, can anyone find me Randy Stradley's original post? I can find many referencing it, but not the original. QuentinGeorge 21:04, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sourced that last thing about the hibernation trance Anything else, people? QuentinGeorge 21:18, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hobbes is on holiday, so I struck the objections I've covered. QuentinGeorge 09:26, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Mostly Havac's request for expansion in some areas, Quentin. That's the only outstanding objection. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:55, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Remove nom (Inq only)
 * 1) I don't see this going anywhere and significant work needs done, per Havac.  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 01:16, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2)  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 01:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Thefourdotelipsis 05:37, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Imperialles - Proxy vote via IRC. For true. Check the logs, if you must. Thefourdotelipsis 23:29, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Hopefully this can, one day, be re-nominated for FA.  Greyman ( Paratus ) 15:15, 30 August 2007 (UTC)