Talk:IG-100 MagnaGuard/Legends

I was skimming the EPIII Visual Dictionary at a store today and noticed the mention on the MagnaGuard page of the significance of their different colors. Can someone with the book add that in? --SparqMan 02:00, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I have the book, Grievous has two IG-100 Series MagnaGuard droids IG-101 (blue in color) and IG-102 (gray in color) each one looks the same but one is older then the other it dose not say which is the older model, but my guess is that since in Empire Strikes Back we see an IG-88 bounty hunter droid, then the numbering goes down not up and the IG-101 is the "newer one" unless IG-88 has been active for over 20+ years?
 * No, you have it mixed up. IG-101 is just the name of the droid, as well as IG-102. They were IG-100 series MagnaGuards. IG-88 does not have anything to do with the MagnaGuards. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:52, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)

True that both are IG-100 series MG, but with in that series cann't sub series be made? Maybe after Gen. Grev. order the droids made and was given the IG-101 he found faults with it so he upgraded some to the IG-102? one type is shown, at the start of the movie as still working after OB1 cuts of it's head, and the other color is shown as deactivated after cuting it's head off (when OB1 fights Grev. for the last time) After all someone upgraded/fixed OB1's R4-P14 unit to give it a R2 head in AotC, then upgraded the droid once more to give it a body to work inside of the ETA-2 Jedi Starfighters in Rots. --sithlord123 13:18, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * They're all just IG-100 MagnaGuards. The reason they have different numbers is because they were the first ones ordered. IG-101 was the first, IG-102 was the second, etc. All you're doing is explaining things you don't need to. There is no proof that each one was modified. Grievous could have had fifty or more of these droids; all of them being the same, except for their numerical designation. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 13:21, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Cortosis
If their bodies are made of cortosis, how exactly do the Jedi, using lightsabers, manage to destroy them? --Fade 18:42, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Their staffs were made of cortosis, despite the fact that the Jedi destroyed them easily. Admiral J. Nebulax 19:49, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm talking about how, in the article, it says their bodies are made of cortosis. Their staffs are made of Phrik, anyway. --Fade 19:59, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter&mdash;they're both lightsaber-resistant. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:03, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I know, just sayin'. My original question still stands, though. --Fade 20:07, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, considering we know through previous sources that lightsabers can't cut through cortosis (except for The New Droid Army), it might be an error. Or, the Jedi found a technique to cut through cortosis, which was used in the First Battle and the Second Battle of Coruscant in the Clone Wars. Just a thought. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:10, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * The Visual Dictionary mentions nothing about cortosis armor on these droids - only on their weapons. In fact, it labels IG-102's shoulder as a 'duranium pauldron'. It mentions their staffs "cannot be severed by lightsaber", though since their bodies are battle-scarred, the droids themselves are obviously not as impervious. Therefore, I think the cortosis thing was a mistake on behalf of whoever added it to the article - Kwenn 18:31, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Colors
'I was skimming the EPIII Visual Dictionary at a store today and noticed the mention on the MagnaGuard page of the significance of their different colors. Can someone with the book add that in? --SparqMan 02:00, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)' I was skimming through it three days ago and was about to say the same thing.
 * Was that really necissary? No. Please don't do it again. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:46, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Who me? Mearly stating my surprise. No need to get prissy.
 * Okay, first of all: Wrong section. Second of all: It wasn't necissary. And I'm not prissy. Anyway, how is that stating your surprise? Admiral J. Nebulax 22:28, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)

sorry about the wrong section. I was surprised I came to say something and it had already been said. How was it not necessary, it still needs to be added.
 * You mean about the colors? Admiral J. Nebulax 01:36, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Yes the colors!
 * Well, I don't think the color makes a difference, but might as well put something like "They came in..." and put the colors. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:48, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)

This is the profile of the magnaguard. What the hell do you mean 'the colors don't make a difference.' If this is to be the ultimate star wars information site why the fuck would we leave information out? Depending on what colors they are they have different purposes, different strong points, like some may be better at close combat fighting or something. If anyone knows what the colors represent that information should be added. Read the fucking book yourself. Their colors don't show individually they show different purposes, what function they serve.
 * The colors are just there to show they were individually different. It does not denote rank or superiority. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:10, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I find that very odd. They wouldn't have separate purposes. And stop cursing already. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:45, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Your pissing me off! They have seperate ourposes, if you don't believe me and the other person who posted this then read the book! But I read it and I kniw what I read and your wrong! Damn!
 * Okay, then you tell me: Why do they have specific purposes? Admiral J. Nebulax 21:31, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Uh, hmm, lets think... why would Grievous make all his droids the same? So they have the same purpose when it would be more benificial to have them do different things cause, uh, not all his opponents will be Jedi.
 * They were all trained the same way. It says so in LoE. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:35, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Proof? (I want the exact words).
 * Fine, I'll get it. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:38, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Good, I'll be waiting.
 * Here: "...and Grievous had taught his elite well. Coupled with Dooku's coaching, their programming in the seven classic forms of lightsaber dueling&mdash;in the Jedi arts&mdash;made them lethal opponents". It might not say it directly, but it shows they were all trained the same. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:50, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)

These were the ones Grievous was fighting, right? And Dooku was only commenting on the ones Grievous was fighting. Nice try.
 * You don't get it, do you? All of the IG-100s were trained the same. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:31, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Well, sorry but I'll believe the Visual Dictionary over your bull-shit stuck-up unsupported opinion.
 * Umm... I don't really have anything useful to add this arguement... But why is that guy acting like that? --Master Starkeiller 18:18, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Right. From the RotS Visual Dictionary: "Holowan Mechanicals made several MagnaGuard models, distinguished by color: black, alabaster blue and the rare grey. Each two-meter-tall droid specializes in a form of combat." But on the facing page, it says they "...have the capacity to adjust their combat styles to match those of their opponents." So yes, MagnaGuards come in at least three colors, but the differences between each are not specified, and it seems they can be programmed with pretty much the same combat styles anyway, if they're able to alternate between them - Kwenn 18:28, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * His IP address (whois query) indicates he's posting from a computer that belongs to the public school system in Red Wing, Minnesota. So he's probably an elementary school brat with nothing better to do than violate his acceptable use policy to than argue with his betters. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  18:39, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Kwenn. Hopefully this idiot will finally give it up, knowing he's wrong. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:26, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * There's nothing like cold, hard facts to shut up the more stubborn of anons ;) - Kwenn 20:28, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Amen. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:37, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Acting like this? Cause he won't believe what I read in the visual dictionary. And, thatnks to Kwenn, they do specialize in diffewrent forms of combat. All I was asking is what they were. A public school system. What the hell? My home computer? Hard cold facts to shut up the more stubborn of anons, huh? Does that mean your shutting up now?

Never mind, I'll just ask someone somewhere else which colors mean what. Kinda sad though, I thought this was the ultimate database. oh well...


 * If this is the ultimate database, then surely if there's information we lack, it's probably because it doesn't exist - in the case of the MagnaGuard colors: as I said, the VD doesn't specify the distinction between each variation. Oh, and I suggest you check Wikipedia; try and find out what I meant by 'anon', because, in case you hadn't noticed, I'm not scared of revealing my e-identity - Kwenn 22:39, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Oh, nameless, whatever, I signed up but I don't bother signing in. Anyway, if this site doesn't have it Wikipedia won't. I'm using other sites for this topic now.


 * OK, I suggest you re-read what I just posted. I think your little anon brain got all confused there. And don't try the high-and-mighty routine; you were being just as stand-offish as any of us - Kwenn 22:46, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, quit calling be anon I don't care if you know who I am or not it doesn't matter. Anyways, I'm asking elsewhere, I have already asked and am waiting for a response, maybe other people will know something you guys don't.


 * I really don't see how anyone else will know something that doesn't exist. There are elements of the Saga that just haven't been revealed. This is one of them. Anon. - Kwenn 22:53, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)

But they do specialize in different things and maybe it says somewhere.
 * Where? There are few sources other than the Visual Dictionary and the Databank for this sort of thing. You can't expect information to just appear out of thin air - Kwenn 23:02, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)

I don't know. Maybe one of the ROTS novels or the scrapbook or the Prequal Chronicle book or the new essential guide to droids. Maybe something was missed from the Chronicles. Did you read all the novels? Maybe somewhere else. idk, I'll tell you if I find anything. The two ones that lasted the longest against Obi-Wan and Anakin on the Invisible Hand were blue (not sure about the one than Obi-Wan beat right away) which leads me to believe blue ones spealize at fighting Jedi. There's a grey one that sees Obi-Wan talking to Toin Medon. Yes there is, and Kwenn was kind enough to post it for us, why won't you believe us, even Kwenn says they have different specializations he just says nowhere ever says what. Your alone here. Okay, I logged in and my name still doesn't show up so whatever call me anon all you want. It's not even an insult. Why would I care if you don't know who I am? And unless there's proof that the Visual Dictionary made a mistake, which there isn't, we should assume it's right. Now, I'm getting a little information of theforce.net but not anything spectacular. Why are you so stubborn? How many times has the book got to be quoted? Your the only one denying this on all 5 sites I posted this on. I asked what each mode specialized in. Why use Anon as an insult? Why shouldn't I agree with the Visual Dictionary? Yup. Why it's used as an insult I've no idea.
 * There's nothing in the RotS novel; I've read it. The scrapbook doesn't have that kind of detail. Chronicles is referenced all over the Wiki, so if it's in there, it would have been posted. And the New Essential Guide to Droids isn't out yet. Trust me, we have a *lot* of contributors on here, so info isn't likely to be overlooked - Kwenn 23:16, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * You don't have a case, anon. So drop it already. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:23, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Why did you remove what I said? And for the final time, there is no source that states each color ment a different specialization. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:16, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, if it doesn't say anywhere what the specializations are, how do we know that there truly are specializations? The Visual Dictionary could have made a mistake, anon. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:37, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * The RotS visual dictionary states, quite clearly, that the color of a MagnaGuard denotes its model. Which model goes with which color remains, at this time, unknown. MagnaGuards all went through the same training regimen. Grievous had their memories wiped and retrained them himself. This has been stated time and again by a variety of sources. We don't to go sifting through source books and obscure websites just to shut you up, Anon. In case this hasn't been said already (I'm not going to look through all of these comments), the MagnaGuard's staffs are constructed of phrik alloy. However, it's the staff's EMP field that renders it resistent to lightsabers, not the phrik (at least not exclusively). --AdmThrawn 23:54, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Color does not specify a specialization, but it shows which model was which. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:19, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * "Holowan Mechanics made several MagnaGuard models, distinguished by color: black, alabaster, blue, and the rare gray." Where's the room for confusion? How did this argument even get started? --AdmThrawn 00:22, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * The anon wanted to be right. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:23, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * He should be out lookin' for a better name instead of challenging the validity of the visual dictionaries. --AdmThrawn 00:25, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Every so often, an anon desparate to prove himself/herself correct comes around. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:27, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * What's an anon? Someone who doesn't use a name? --AdmThrawn 00:28, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Pretty much. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:32, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Anyways, say whatever you want, Nebulax. I'm sticking with the Visual Dictionary. Kween, a few others and I are thinking things over at theforce.net. We don't question what the Visual Dictionary says but dicusss possibilities on what each color/model specializes in. First of all, I stopped insulting you now you stop insulting me. Second, tell me why anon's an insult. Third, the Visual Dictionary says they have different specializations. I see no reason to disagree. Anonymous user, you can lend much more credence to your arguments (and also perhaps respect) if you would sign your comments with four tildes (~) while logged-in. The different MagnaGuard shell colors did indeed specify different model types and also different model functions, (be it melee, ranged, explosive, etc) as it says in the DB. Nowhere that I have seen, however, specifies exactly what colors correspond with which droid model. By the way, cursing is not productive and does not prove your point. Also, the deletion (or editing) of other people's comments is just not cool. Let's try to keep it civil here... RMF 06:50, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Stop removing what I say, idiot. And as of now, there is no place that says the specializations, because there aren't any specializations. How many times do I have to tell you, anon? Admiral J. Nebulax 12:36, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Listen, kid, the visual dictionary does not say what you want it to. "Each two-meter (6.5-ft) tall droid specializes in a form of combat, and is equipped with an electrostaff or dedicated weapons, from grenades to rocket launchers." That does not, in any way, go to suggest that gray MagnaGuards are snipers, that blue ones are explosive experts, or that black ones specialize in hand-to-hand combat. At all. Not even a little bit. By the way, you'd be wise to stop editing other people's messages. --AdmThrawn 06:11, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Give it up already. And if you edit or remove a comment of mine again, I'm putting you up on the vandalism notice page. Admiral J. Nebulax 13:23, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)

You don't scare me. I'll stop deleting what you say if you stop saying negative things. I quit, now it's your turn. And I will not say the Visual Dictionary made a mistake until I see proof.
 * Hey man, that's just not how it works. If you think he insulted you (which I doubt--anon is hardly an insult), just be mature and ignore it. Don't swear and edit other people's comments. As far as this debate goes, it is my impression that there were several different model types delivered, with different capabilities (differentiated by color). Grievious had the memory of these droids wiped and instead trained them personally, but not all in exactly the same way.  He trained different models differently depending on their function--though there was certainly some amount of interchangeability.  This is my interpretation of the material at the DB. Do any sources contradict this and directly say that Grievious used identical training regimens on all his MgnaGuards? I did read Nebulax's excerpt from LoE but it doesn't really seem conclusive. RMF 19:29, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the fact that they had their memories wiped means that, even if they were originally trained differently, they could be trained differently again. So, you could have a blue MagnaGuard that was trained for one thing, but, after a memory wipe, could be trained for something else. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:41, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * True, so really we can't know color/model=function, unless Grievous retrained them methodically according to their color-code. Because it doesn't specify anywhere, I guess it's just inconclusive. RMF 23:24, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * So, this whole discussion was basically pointless. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:28, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, basically. Hopefully it will put an end to this burgeoning "Cortosis" section, though, now that we have the details hashed out and there is no further room for you to argue with the unnamed user... ;-) RMF 00:05, 9 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Let's just hope this is the end. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:14, 9 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Sorry on my part. But I'd still like to know why Nebulax thought anon was an insult.
 * Usually, when unknown users get annoying, the term "anon" is used. Usually, it's just "unknown user" or something like that. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:32, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Okay --Darthsith19 01:52, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * So you've registered? Admiral J. Nebulax 20:13, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)