Talk:Meetra Surik/Archive6

Gender
"This confirmation from the Keeper of the Holocron established that the Exile is indisputably female." - sadly, no, it confirms that there indisputably is a canonical gender for the character, but doesn't say (conclusively) what it is. While it is extremely unlikely that a later publication having to refer to the gender would be allowed to make the wrong call, it is possible. Presumably at some earlier point (before the game was launched) it seemed appropriate for the lead to be male; I doubt that the powers that be would have allowed that in the first place if there wasn't nominal agreement on the subject.

The fact that (assuming the gender being female is correct, which seems eminently reasonable) the decision was made to take the harder route and contradict earlier indications. I'd probably make the same decision, but solely for variety's sake.

Probably someone should ask why the Exile was chosen to be canonically female (two birds with one stone there), but at this point I have as little motivation to do so as the apparent reverting warriors here do. Why hasn't anybody asked for an actual explicit canonical decision (as of the current time)?

By the way, citing the source would have been extremely useful - I ended up finding it on the 68th page of the forum thread! -- 81.154.242.182 00:39, 8 December 2006 (UTC) call me "the infinite bobs"

I'd like to point out that the official trailer for the game refers to the Exile as a male. In light of this, I do not think that the Exile should necessarily be considered female yet.
 * This has been discussed a million times before. Check the archives linked at the top of the page. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 20:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Trailer pre-dates both game and the book. Exile is female. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 20:53, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Usually, the more recent release of a canonical source is the "most canon." Except for movies, of course. A game trailer is probably "outcanoned" by anthing, though. Trailers are made to ignite interest in a game (or movie). Since (I think) many would play with a male character, setting the player's character as male is better for merchandizing. - TopAce 20:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Given that Chris Avellone said the trailer has nothing to do with the actual game events and it was a conscious decision, it's non-canon. - Sikon 03:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Despite everything we've do, we can't seem to stop people from attempting to revive this argument. Anyone have any ideas on how to make it any clearer that the Exile is female, and it's not going to change unless officially retconned?-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 07:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * We should just stop answering these questions and leave them as if they didn't exist. - TopAce 20:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

The only way to know the gender of the Exile is to wait for the info from KOTOR 3
 * You mean like how KoTOR 2 told us Revan's gender? --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 22:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Not true, you can choose Revan's gender, having the game alter around it. Maybe KOTOR 3 will be like that. Jedi master Rimsek 22:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC) – 22:58, 27 December 2006 (UTC) Before this turns into a rant, I better get to the point. My main point is that it seems as though the Exile was only established as female because Leland Chee and the folks at Lucasfilm wanted to pacify the angry female fans and NOT because they were attempting to actually create a strong female character. Of course, that is only my opinion and I can't say that I really blame them since far more men play these games then women, but I still find it disappointing.– 01:27, 28 December 2006 (UTC) Whilst trying to see it from a woman's perspective in almost every star wars thing the main character is almost always Male, and a few companions are female. I will close be saying that even if the droid book says the exile is female kotor stats that only He can save the galaxy, I'm sure Kotor would be more canon that some droid book but it does seem that the exile is know canonicaly female By Hk-47
 * I believe there are a few select incidences where KOTOR II refers to Revan as male, regardless of the "Atton Inputs" at the opening of the game. .  .  .  .  22:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope. After you choose Revan's gender, no other comments are ever made to the contrary. Jedi master Rimsek 23:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Mmm? So sure are you? .  .  .  .  23:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure, but I could be wrong. Jedi master Rimsek 00:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Referring to Revan as a male despite you setting them as female would be considered a bug. Otherwise the Atton conversation would be like Atton: "What can you tell me about Revan?" Exile: "Well, Revan was a female and-" Atton: "WRONG!" --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 00:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't remember any such conversation.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 00:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Because he's saying it doesn't happen because it would be a bug. Duh. Jedi master Rimsek 02:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, I misread his comment.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 02:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I can think of at least one instance of that "bug" appearing. When you get to Dantooine and repair the protocol droid in the hangar and see the hologram between Kavar and Vandar, they refer to the exile as male, even if you are female. There are other instances also, but I can't think of them. I do know, however, that there are never any bugs where a male Exile is called female.Darth Ceratis 01:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Uhh... we're talking about revan's "customizable" gender right now... Jedi master Rimsek 00:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that since the main/defualt gender of the exile in the game is male it should stay male on the page, or at least stay as unknown because there are sources that say the exile is male and there are some that say the exile is female.
 * Since when is the Jedi Exile's default gender male? -  Yoshi  626 [[Image:Yoshiegg.jpg|20px]] 07:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What sources say the Exile is male?-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 09:15, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It would be interesting to know why the gender calls on both KOTORs were made the way they were. Frankly, it only bugged me as bad as it does because of the game files putting so much more material on the gender declared non-canon. (the alternate ending and romance for female Revans, additional motive for Atris's hostility, the Handmaiden's arc, the promo art, and the Obsidian's own trailer for male Exiles). It's also telling that the same guys who gut out the female Exile writing are usually the same bozos puffing out their chest and crowing about canon when it comes to Revan's debate.
 * I can understand how you feel. I also prefer the female Revan and the male Exile, but having said that, this topic has really run its course and we are all fairly tired of it. The following links should provide all the information that we know about Chee's decision:
 * http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=222689&start=615#12367041
 * http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=222689&start=01830#14548812
 * As a KOTOR gamer, I prefer male Revan and male Exile, because, since I'm a guy myself, it's easier to identify with male characters. As a Star Wars fan with respect for what's considered official canonical continuity, I'm fine with a female Exile - in fact, I think it's a great retcon as it erases some of the traditional gender patterns from our own world and it's kind of in line with the image of the strong female character we know from Leia and from Amidala (before she was reduced to a traditional housewife). The Exile's a girl - get over it. KEJ 23:23, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, and I know this is completely off-topic, I don't think the decision to make the Exile female does away with the "traditional gender patterns from our own world". Quite the contrary. You will notice that the truly important, strong, and powerful character, Revan, is male. Meanwhile, Revan's relatively unremarkable subordinate, the Exile, is female. I think that it could easily be argued that such an arrangement is fairly stereotypical and not terribly admirable.– 23:51, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * LOL, in some rhetorical twisty way, you got a point. Of course, on the other hand, if Revan was a female and the Exile was a male, this could be seen as an allegory of the Fall of Man, in which Eve tempts Adam to eat the apple and thus being exlied from Paradise as a result, which cause the oppression of women in many communities who took the Old Testament as their holy book in the following thousands of years. The female Revan would influence the male Exile into activating the Mass Shadow Generator, thus becoming exiled from the Jedi Order as a result. That's an equally stereotypical arrangement. KEJ 00:27, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't get me wrong, I am glad that they chose to make one of the player characters female. I just think that it is rather lame that they chose the easiest solution rather than the controversial one. I mean, in many ways, the female Revan was a far more intriguing and original character, especially since there are absolutely no truly powerful female figures in the Star Wars universe. On the other hand, the male Revan is little more than a weird thrawn/palpatine amalgamation.
 * If not for Disciple replacing Handmaiden in the female story, I wouldn't mind the Exile being a girl. MPK 23:40, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

The beggining of the game says only He can save the galaxy. P.h2 18:51, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It has been said by two sources that the Exile is a female, post-dating the game. Give it up (or get slapped with a ban-stick. Your call) -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] Talk 18:53, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I don't know... it does say at the beginning of the game that only "He" can save the galaxy. I think this is sufficient evidence to prove that the ability for a player to choose a female Exile character is nothing more than an elaborate BUG, that the game designers never meant for the female game to even be an option, and that any information from that campaign was never meant to make it into final production. Yup. I think that's what makes sense. The female option was a game bug. -BaronGrackle 02:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's right, they spent all that time programming in several female faces for the Exile, a romance option, and various other storyline changes appropriate for a female Exile by mistake. (In all seriousness, does that opening text change when you pick a female main character?  If not, that's a bug.  Which is what you're saying, right?  Sorry, my sarcasm detector overloaded last week.  8) ) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:14, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

http://lucasarts.com/games/swkotor_sithlords/index.html-On this the official site the Jedi Exile is depicted as a male. Nuff Said.
 * Good for it. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 20:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That is an advertisement.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|20px]] 20:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Name
There has been some debate as to choosing a name for the Exile. I think fans should do what is being done for Jacen Solo as fans are helping choose his new Sith name. Fans should submit name ideas, the writers choose the top ones they like, and fans vote for them. Jedi Striker, 25 November 2006, 02:15 (UTC) look, I'm not on this wiki regularly, but I own one of the games, and the way I see it, "Jedi Exile" is a variable name for the character you choose. So should it really be changed from that an actual person, although it has been considered the exile was canonly (is that a word?) a female, so I guess all I've really done is put some ideas down for the idea of a name--75.84.144.109 07:33, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Unless there is an official contest, which I doubt will happen, we can't give the Exile a name.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 07:40, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well we can't have the Exile nameless forever. Jedi Striker, 25 November 2006, 13:38 (UTC)
 * Take it up with Leland Chee. -- SFH 19:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't care if the exile is male or female (although I've always seen her as female). Whoever is in charge of such things simply needs to release a statement on the Exile's gender. It could be something as simple as "It's a guy" or "The Exile is a woman." But really, a character that leeches off those around her and forces others to do what she wants without trying? That sounds like a female to me... 71.197.9.217 01:40, 3 February 2007 (UTC)