Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Kopecz


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Kopecz

 * Nominated by: -- Darth Xadún 11:29, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: The natural counterpart to Kas'im. Again, WP:NSW

(5 Inqs/0 Users/5 Total)
Support
 * 1) --Eyrezer 05:35, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Thefourdotelipsis 12:37, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Green Tentacle (Talk) 13:58, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 14:57, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) --  Darth Culator  (Talk) 23:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) It's likely missing info from the Official Star Wars Fact File in relation to his early life. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 12:15, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) *Neither my partner or I has access to the fact file, so if you can provide it, we'd both be greatly appreciative. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Red lightsaber.png|20px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 14:41, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) **I don't either, unfortunately; you might want to ask Jaymach or Cav or anyone else with access to them. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 22:16, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) ***After obtaining the Fact File, it has been determined that there is no new info. It says pretty much the same things as PoD does. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Red lightsaber.png|20px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 13:56, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) ****Fair enough. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 14:58, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) From the underwater moffship of AdmirableAckbar:
 * 7) * The Quote attribution is a little unclear in "The Brotherhood of Darkness" section.
 * 8) **Addressed.
 * 9) * The opening paragraph of the bio needs a bit more context. When did he live, what species he was, what his homeworld was etc. It starts off with him leaving the Jedi Order but it should start with him leaving Ryloth and becoming a Jedi in the first place.
 * 10) **Addressed, I believe.
 * 11) * "attempting to establish a system with numerous Dark Lords" &mdash; bit of context on the significance of this, please. What was a Dark Lord and how was Kaan's approach different?
 * 12) **Addressed.
 * 13) * "Together, the three Sith planned the Battle of Korriban&mdash;after the Brotherhood re-took the ancient Sith homeworld..." &mdash; this also needs context and to be properly explained. As is it seems to be assuming the reader is already familiar with the information. They planned the battle; who actually fought in it? Did Kopecz? Re-took the Sith homeworld from whom? Etc.
 * 14) **Addressed.
 * 15) * "Kopecz, however, remained with Kaan to continue the war against the Galactic Republic." &mdash; again, context is needed here. This is the first mention of a war with the Republic, and if Kopecz is "continuing" the battle then he'd have to already been participating, but that's not been mentioned before in the bio. This stuff could easily go with the first paragraph.
 * 16) **I believe this too has been addressed through handling of previous objections.
 * 17) * The stuff about the Battle of Ulahore needs some changes; it's not presented in chronological order at present. The outcome of the battle isn't mentioned, either. I'm also not sure if the stuff about Bane establishing the Rule of Two at a later point is really appropriate, but it's up to you if you want to keep it.
 * 18) **That section talks about Ulabore (a person), not Ulahore. The battle mentioned at this point is at Phaseera. Also, I removed the bit about Bane and the RoT, which I agree, isn't really appropriate here.
 * 19) ***It's still not in chronological order.
 * 20) ****It should be good now.
 * 21) * "was like he had his teeth on their throats" -- please reword to read less colloquially.
 * 22) **Addressed.
 * 23) ***That doesn't really make any difference.
 * 24) ****It should be good now.
 * 25) *****I don't see any change. It still doesn't tell me what that actually means.
 * 26) ******This is a direct reference to the line "It was as if you had your teeth on our throats" (Kopecz to Bane, PoD). It's the description he uses of the sensation of feeling Bane through a Sith meld to utilise their stength to destroy the forest preluding the 6th battle of Ruusan. Darth Xadún ( Consult the Holocron ) 14:37, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 27) *******I understand that, I just wanted it reworded to sound less colloquial, but it doesn't really matter. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 14:57, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 28) * "Kopecz then mounted his flyer and took off for the battle, which seemed would result in a victory for the Sith." -- this reads awkwardly at best "which seemed would;" also, seemed to whom?
 * 29) **Addressed.
 * 30) * We jump from the third battle to the sixth quite suddenly. Some mention that the Sith and Republic remained in war for several battles/X amount of time would be prudent.
 * 31) **It should be good now.
 * 32) * "Following their defeat, Kopecz joined the remaining members of the Brotherhood in a network of caves at Kaan's order. He explained to Githany and Darovit that Kaan intended to use the thought bomb to defeat the Jedi, at which Githany chose to flee, taking Darovit with her." &mdash; again, this makes little to no sense for those who aren't familiar with the topic/source material. Who's Darovit? You've already mentioned Githany before but another mention of who she is wouldn't go amiss. What's a thought bomb, what's the significance of it, and why did Githany want to flee? Also, you need to mention Kopecz finding out about it before he tells anyone.
 * 33) **Addressed all points, I believe.
 * 34) ***Very good, but it's still a little hazy what exactly a thought bomb is.
 * 35) ****It should be good now.
 * 36) * "Kopecz was committed to joining Kaan and the others, swept up in Kaan's manipulation through the Force" needs some clarification.
 * 37) **Addressed.
 * 38) * The "Thought bomb" and "Last stand" sections are both extremely short and should be merged/resectioned.
 * 39) **Addressed.
 * 40) * Context on the defenders of the caves, please. Also, explain that the Seventh Battle of Ruusan is -- presumably -- the battle in the caves; it's not all that clear and jumps fairly suddenly. Farfalla's also introduced rather suddenly; please amend.
 * 41) **Addressed.
 * 42) * BtS: mention his appearance in PoD and how it expanded his backstory yada yada before moving on to the eye colour. Also, why is the Galactic Campaign Guide info not in the bio. It should be.
 * 43) **Decent read, but remember that you're writing a character biography, not a summary of the comics. Also note that the majority of the readers won't be familiar with the source material so explain and contextify things fully. Lastly, Bane has obviously never seen Orn Free Taa. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 14:58, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 44) ***I don't get the Orn Free Taa part, but the rest of the objection has been addressed. Thank you for the review, Ackbar. If anything else is required, please advise. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Dark Side Master TotG.jpg|17px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 03:27, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 45) Do we know which Fact File issue and article he is in? --Eyrezer 23:40, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 46) *Addressed.
 * 47) I think the paragraphs describing his leaving the cave with the Force bomb need to be reviewed for factual accuracy. --Eyrezer 23:40, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 48) *Addressed, I believe, while addressing Ackbar's comments above. Let me know if further maintenance is required, Eyrezer. Thank you. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Dark Side Master TotG.jpg|17px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 03:27, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 49) From the Chron-O-John of Green Tentacle:
 * 50) * Intro mentions that Farfalla recognized and tried to redeem him. Biography just says he refused to surrender.
 * 51) **Addessed.
 * 52) * "Comprehending that by this time the Jedi would have surrounded the caves&mdash;and that his death was not inevitable&mdash;Kopecz decided to join the Sith warriors who were ordered to defend the caves and fight with them." This took a couple of reads. How being surrounded by the enemy doesn't mean inevitable death could be clearer. Green Tentacle (Talk) 21:09, 3 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 53) **Addressed. Thank you for the review, GT. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Dark Side Master TotG.jpg|17px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 04:46, 6 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 54) The succession boxes are confusing and apparently redundant. Something needs to be done to clarify them. What, I don't know, because they don't make any sense as they are now. --  Darth Culator  (Talk) 17:07, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 55) *Should be good now. If not, please someone advise on how to fix. Thanks Culator for the review! —Tommy9281 [[Image:Dark Side Master TotG.jpg|17px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 23:05, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Comments
 * Many thanks to Cavalier One for providing the Fact File for me. Like Xadún's others, I will be taking this one over as well in his absence. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Red lightsaber.png|20px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 13:56, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Still working on outstanding objections. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Dark Side Master TotG.jpg|17px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 23:37, 24 November 2008 (UTC)