User talk:Toprawa and Ralltiir

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Wallen GAN
Would you support my GAN for Wallen? I think I have done an excellent job with the GAN, would you like to check it out and say what you think of it? Hanzo Hasashi 19:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That guy who captured Luke and wanted to take a picture with him was Major Lesim, a character who doesn't appear in the film. And yeah, I'll add all of Wallen's other appearances too, but in the meantime wanna eliminate the second objection of yours? Hanzo Hasashi 19:57, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Please respond to objections on the GAN page, where discussion of the nomination will take place. Thanks. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:00, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I would but I'm unable to make edits on that page apparently, so I therefore can only respond on the users' talk pages. Hanzo Hasashi 20:01, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Since you recently registered, you need 50 mainspace edits before you can edit semi-protected pages, like GAN. I would appreciate if you could try and achieve this benchmark rather than turning my talkpage into a satellite GAN page. Thanks. :) Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sry, didn't know that :)Hanzo Hasashi 20:10, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What are mainspace edits? I've done 50 in-universe edits, and still haven't been able to edit the GAN page Hanzo Hasashi 22:19, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Pardon me I'm not trying to continue making this a satellite GAN page, but could you perhaps cross out your objections on my Wallen GAN since both have been taken care of, and also because I don't have any sourcebooks other than the visual dictionary, could you perhaps look through some sources for any mention, indirect or whatnot, or even mere photos of him that can be added as sources? Hanzo Hasashi 21:24, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

disambig template
Thanks for the reminder. :) Wildyoda 22:04, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

How to archive
Well I have posts from 8 months ago from members that I don't even talk to anymore. How do I archive stuff?

New look
Ya know, I watched a few clone wars episodes and they ain't that bad. I even found some legitimate stuff in there. Maybe I was wrong after allUser:Revanthereformer1138

Strun FAN
If an article is up for FAN, does that mean that only the original editor is responsible for changes? Or can anyone else still make edits? I ask because you reverted all the changes I made, including such cases of bad grammar, for example, "Starkiller fought his way to the skyhook's mooring structure and begun removing the tractor pins…" is grammatically incorrect. It should be written either "and had begun", or "and began". Other cases where I made changes is because a word or phrase was not linked, or the word itself was out of place, for instance, "his change to hunt a Jedi", should have been written "his chance to hunt…" and Starkiller was by no means a Jedi, so Force-user would have been more appropriate. Gethralkin 18:45, 6 February 2009 (UTC)

Thyferra
I saw you reverted my new redirect, what I was doing was renaming it because it is never called the "Second Battle of Thyferra" in the game or any other source. Rather then creating a fanon name for the battle, I believe it is better to name the article something more official and descriptive. DjMack 23:49, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I understand your reasoning, and while those names might not exactly be canonical, I believe they are far more encyclopedic than "Moff Seerdon's attack on Thyferra," for example. Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:51, 7 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Oh and just for future reference,

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:SH:Abolishing_previous/next/concurrent_battles_section

I saw that someone else reverted all my edits to the Rogue Squadron battles that relate to this. It appears we are probably gonna get new rules about the before and after sections in battleboxes. DjMack 23:59, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

its tipper45
stop Editing my page --Tipper45 09:30, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't know who Tipper45 is, nor how he/she is using my IP address, but apparently it has caused me to be blocked as well. ?JustinGann 03:18, 9 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Apparently not, if you were able to leave this message. Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:20, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Italics
I would like to make my case in regards to the problem Mr. Mauser brought to your attention. Allow me to provide excerpts from a book about proper writing. About italics…

And on quotation marks…

Now, both you and Mr. Mauser have cited the Appearances section of the Layout Guide as the reason to italicize all titles. Notice how all the titles in this section fall under the first list. I believe the use of italics on all articles is a common mistake due to a majority of titles requiring italics and thus all other titles were written like them. Furthermore, titles are not used for only one section. Any rule dictating them would be in the Manual of Style, not the Layout Guide. And in the Manual of Style, it states, “…we mandate standard American English spelling, grammar, punctuation, and word usage.” So my reasons for putting in quotation marks were justified. I am not the only user who has done this. In conclusion, there are rules supporting my stance and no apparent rules for italicizing all titles. TheAinMAP 01:52, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Since there has been some disagreement on this, I've started a Consensus Track thread, Forum:CT:Italicizing article and short story titles, to sort it out. jSarek 20:21, 10 February 2009 (UTC)

can you stop the block on tipper45 please
please can you stop the block on tipper45 please

Naboo fruits
I'm not sure that "Naboo fruits" was an unacceptable article: we have a few articles on groups of characters who aren't named and are only distinguishable visually (e.g. Unidentified Rebel commandos, Unidentified Rebel officers, Unidentified Rebel pilots (Arda-2)) If we followed that precedent, an article called "Unidentified Naboo fruits" would be OK, wouldn't it? &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 22:39, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I would disagree and would point out that "plural" articles like this have just as strong a precedent for deletion. I would also point out that these articles seem to be all created by the same person who doesn't seem to be aware of our naming convention precedent that stipulates articles with singular titles. There's no reason why all these Rebel characters, etc., can't have individual articles. It's more laziness on the part of a certain user. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:42, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * However, if you feel it best to put this up for a TC vote to get a definite site consensus on "plural" articles like this, that might be the best approach. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:49, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Might be best for you to TC one of the existing articles instead, rather than undeleting the Naboo fruits article just for it to be TC'd. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 04:07, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * With all due respect, Dan, I don't feel compelled to start a TC for this at all. I don't think I unfairly deleted anything here, and if I had felt it was going to be a matter of debate I would certainly have started a TC to give the community the chance to come to a decision on this. These "plural" articles have been deleted out of hand by me and others in the past, which is the precedent I have previously cited here. If you feel I deleted this too rashly, I do apologize, and I invite you yourself to take this, or a similar article, to a TC in that case. Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:40, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Instead of barging in and challenging Toprawa, perhaps we could simply have figured out what the fruit was. Graestan ( Talk ) 06:18, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking that up for us. In that case, I've recreated Naboo fruit (fruit being the plural form of the word, not "fruits,") as a redirect page. :) Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:23, 11 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I saw that article: the plural article discussed the other, unidentified fruits in the bowl, though (I guess I'll put some of that in the BTS.) As for "barging in and challenging", I apologize if I came off that way.  I swear I did not wake up yesterday morning and think "I know, I'll go around disagreeing with everything T&R says today!", even though I took the opposite position from you on the TC and the CT yesterday as well... I think the best course would be to split and/or delete the plural articles, since I seem to be the only one who finds them acceptable. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 12:31, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks again
Hey Toprawa, I just wanted to thank you for all the help. You've been a good friend, and have graciously helped me out a great deal. Thanks,  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 22:55, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

XWA
Thanks very much for this. --Eyrezer 10:18, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Re the Executor, we have this battle and this battle. The mission in which Vrad Dodonna runs away - do you think this is the first one, or is it a third battle occurring in the middle? --Eyrezer 12:14, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Executor
Here's a scan from the SW Tech Journal Vol 2 of the Executor-class bridge layout if you're interested in using it for the Executor article. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 15:59, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, JMAS. I'll see if I can't work it in somewhere. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:17, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * One more thing. I notice in your Executor image repository you've got The Art of Star Wars Galaxy: Volume Two under "Notes". Is there anything in particular you're looking for from that source? I own it, so I'd be happy to get anything you need from it. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 22:54, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I listed there because I suspect there is something in there (information or a picture or whatever), but I haven't found a copy yet to confirm. If you want to check, that would be great. :) Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:02, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * You can scratch it off your list. Just looked through both Vol One and Two of Art of SW Galaxy and there is no mention of Executor or Super Star Destroyer and not a picture to be found. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 23:26, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Cool. Thanks for looking. :) Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:30, 12 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Here is the SOTE trading card image you requested. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 03:35, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Excellent! My gratitude! Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:40, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Always happy to help out. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 03:45, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

can you stop the block on tipper45 please
can you stop the block on tipper45 please

Re:
It wasn't a joke. I'm sorry. I was serious. I guess I wasn't aware of one of the FS rules. Mecenarylord 23:37, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Re:Warning
No problem. I read that he said to correct speling mistakes, which I did. I didn't realsie this did not apply to the user page. Darth FatBoy

Bad Edits
I am aware that in the past there have been some bad edits done under my user name. I'll admit that the Oppo Rancisis edit was done by ME. But the edits such as the Wampa one was done by my little brother. When I leave the house he goes on Wookieepedia and tries to edit things.

You have blocked me for three days because of this.

I just want to let you know that I'm here to build Wookieepedia, not destroy it. If in the future I find my brother has been making bad edits, as soon as I find out, I will delete them.

Thanks. C-Man 23:46, 14 February 2009 (UTC)C-Man

Tags
But do obvious things really need a tag? Also, if they do, then is it alright to link to outside websites?Bllasae 01:50, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Fallen's Fist
In the article Fallen's Fist you erased the name of Okins. Was it not Admiral Okins the Executor commander in 3.5 ABY?

--Arth sidious 13:42, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I changed it for a number of reasons. The SOTE Sourcebook establishes that Okins is more of a liaison person of sorts, and not a permanent admiral. During Okins' actual appearance in the novel, Vader refers to him explicitly as "Admiral," and the guy in question here is referred to only as "Commander." Secondly, none of that information in the succession box is sourced, which is another way of saying that nothing ever states that Okins stayed on all the way through Piett's return in 4 ABY, much less through to the destruction of Falleen's Fist. We just have nothing to go on that says it's Okins in that battle, unless I've missed something in the SOTE Sourcebook. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:30, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: Thanks
Thanks a lot, Toprawa. You know that I just try to do what I can. ;-) Cylka  -talk- 00:10, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Wampa
Hey. Wampa's up on the main page in a couple of days. Are you likely to have the updates done by then or should we move it back a few weeks? Green Tentacle (Talk) 22:23, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

K-3PO
Hey Toprawa. Basically K-3PO is sitting in that room with his missing arm, destroyed. There's a big explosion, and it implies that K-3PO's body is completely destroyed, and his head is "thrown" across the room. Then Vader and Blizzard Force enter. That's pretty much it. Cull Tremayne 22:43, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I can get a scan of the panels for you if you want. I think the Manga shows him with the wrong missing arm. Though I'm not sure if that's intentional since you're supposed to read it from right to left. Cull Tremayne 22:55, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Forgive the weird effect on the pic, the texture of the paper makes it come out slightly weird. Cull Tremayne 23:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Squib
Hey, Toprawa (or do you prefer T&R?). Would you mind revisiting your oppose to the Squib FAN? I rearranged the sources by order of publication as you requested. Thanks, ~ SavageBob 13:19, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

New Wampa mention

 * I have just added a new wampa mention to the appearances section of the wampa article. Just so you know, this doesn't add any new information, it just uses the sentence "The same wampa-spawn that ordered your team to hose a village full of innocents" to describe someone --Jinzler 15:24, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry about that. I was just angry because that IP was attacking Mecenarylord. I'll make sure it doesn't happen again. GroceryBag Grocery Store 04:27, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Meeting Seven image
For when you make the page: Image:I am a droid.jpg. Graestan ( Talk ) 15:49, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

Shiritoku
All references to the Shiritoku are from GATORW. I mentioned TABSB as a source not because it has that name in it, but because it is the primary source about the worlds along that route and about the Ssi-ruuk invasion thereofJustinGann 01:30, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Review request
Hi! I am just starting my first two FA projects, and was wondering if you could, in your capacity as an Inquisitor, take a look at them and let me know if I'm headed in the right direction with them. It's way too early for a detailed review, but I don't want to get all the way to the end, post them on the FAN page, and find out I need to completely rewrite them. Basically, I'm just looking for a thumbs-up or -down in regard to the writing style. The work pages are here and here. Thanks in advance. Master JonathanJedi Council Chambers 04:29, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Sure, I'll take a look at them in the coming days. Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:34, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Hey, when you get to this, please leave your comments on the work pages' respective talk pages rather than here or my main talk page&mdash;that way I can easily refer to them when looking at the work pages. Thanks! Master JonathanJedi Council Chambers 04:45, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

New User
I'm not really sure whom to ask about this, but we seem to have a new VIP user: User:Dean Zachary aka Dean Zachary. It probably would be right to give him a little more than a standard welcome message template and to put him to the Category:Wookieepedians of note. Sorry if I'm aksing the wrong person about this. Mauser 19:29, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the Heads-Up
I wasn't aware of Wookieepedia's policy regulating voter eligibility for matters like the Trash Compactor. I editing the striking out of the vote because I was under the impression somebody had actually done what you accused me of doing. I just wanted to say I meant no harm and will keep this in mind for future reference. --Shadowxander 00:28, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Kammia
You get one, too :p
 * Oh, thanks! :P Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:46, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

redlink
Please don't delete it, I am about to make that articleJustinGann 02:20, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Just saying thanks
Thanks for the advice on editing unsourced material. I just saw someone else suggest deleting the information, so I did it. But I'll do more research, and writing, not deleting, next time. End0 da Baker 19:58, 26 February 2009 (UTC)EndO da Baker

Please don't remove an entire article I made without at least asking first
For one, the structure was the same as the Hoersh-Kessel command core, used for different ships, it's not just the Executor. I could have renamed it "KDY Command Tower" or something instead, but other than that, what you did was unnecessary. VT-16 22:21, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * That's not true, as far as I can see. Nothing states the Executor-class command tower was used on that ship. The KDY command tower was used as standard equipment on KDY Star Destroyers. We wouldn't create an article for YT-1300 light freighter cockpit. Everything that was included in that article can be put into the Executor-class article. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:37, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have the actual book where it has its own article, it says it's a modular design that's used on many classes. It's not a singular structure, it's just the same as with the core ship module and it has an article in the structure category. VT-16 22:52, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I have the book too. And nothing says it was used on the ship you referenced here. The book says it's a "module," as in a standardized unit on Star Destroyers, not "modular." That's not the same thing. To say it used on the Lucrehulk is Original Research. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:59, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What? I never said a KDY module was used on a Hoersh-Kessel design. I said they were similar in their use. Do you understand now? It has a name and an article on the structure category. That's why I did the Command Tower as a structure article and put it in the same category, as well. One is made by KDY, another by H-K. They both serve the same purpose and they both get their own PROFILES in canonical sources. Why remove one article and keep the other? VT-16 23:07, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The difference is that those were specifically "modular," as in being able to attach to different ship classes. Creating an article for the Executor-class command tower is, again, like creating an article for a TIE Fighter cockpit, just because the cockpit is used on pretty much all TIE series fighters. That's silly. Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:12, 26 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok, I see. How about recreating it with a different name and some of the variations listed or something? I'm short on time and won't be on for a couple of days. VT-16 23:16, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Re: Award
Thank you, I appreciate you giving me this. There are a lot of LFC articles still in need of creation, so I will hope to continue doing this --Jinzler 22:06, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Mandalorian Neo-Crusader
Since you seem to have reverted my edits, I guess I'l take it up with you. All other Mandalorian organization articles are used in the plural, so shouldn't the Neo-Crusader article also be used in the plural? Ruthless Xero 06:03, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * What other Mandalorian organizations? I see no reason why this article shouldn't conform to the singular noun naming convention. Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:05, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, the True Mandalorians article uses the plural version, and it seems so should any others, seeing as how it includes more than just one person. If it's in singular noun, it seems as if it's about a single person. Ruthless Xero 06:07, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I see no difference between this organization and, say, the Jedi Knights, whose article also follows the single noun convention. If an individual can properly be coined a "True Mandalorian" or a "Mandalorian Neo-Crusader," then the article should be "singular." Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:11, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, shouldn't we redirect the True Mandalorians article to True Mandalorian then? Ruthless Xero 06:15, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * The difference, it seems, lies over whether the article is about the organization as a plural entity, like a team name, for example: "Yankees." I understand your reasoning here, certainly. This seems to be more of a gray area, and it probably deserves greater discussion. To answer your most recent question, if we are to follow the single noun precedent, then yes, they should all be moved. Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:18, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, since I guess we've settled on using the single noun variant, should I go move them, or would you prefer to? Ruthless Xero 06:22, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not entirely convinced I'm correct here. I guess the difference is that the Neo-Crusaders were a type of Mandalorian, not necessarily an organization in the true sense like the "Black Vulkars" would necessitate a plural title. If you want to move them, feel free. Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:34, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Well in the article itself it says that the Neo-Crusaders "were a group of Mandalorians formed by Mandalore the Ultimate". So should we keep them (the Neo-Crusaders) singular or move them to plural? Ruthless Xero 07:09, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure, to be honest. :) It would seem to me that it would be appropriate to keep it at the single title, at least. Toprawa and Ralltiir 07:15, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Alright then, I'll go ahead and change the True Mandalorians article and the Mandalorian Protectors article so there is consistency. Ruthless Xero 07:19, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Toprawa and Ralltiir 07:20, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Unidentified Rebel SpecForce Commando page
I saw you added that Verify box to this guy's page, so I took the liberty of adding appearances for that character. So far he's had one and only appearance, but it's there now. I removed the box at the top and left the one at the bottom, even though I don't think this exact guy has been in anything else to date. -- JuiceStain  Rock on!   22:23, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Please make sure to add appearances/sources to all new article creations. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:25, 3 March 2009 (UTC)
 * No problem man. I should have done that when I went through and edited it, but it slipped my mind. -- JuiceStain  Rock on!  [[Image:epiphone sg-black.PNG|20px]] 22:07, 4 March 2009 (UTC)