Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Log/2010 December 12

[00:13]	=-=	Topic for #wookieepedia-inquisitorius is “Meeting 38 scheduled: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Meeting_Thirty-eight” [00:15]		First up is Zuckuss, probed from Meeting 36 [00:15]		http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zuckuss [00:15]		http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Zuckuss [00:15]		probe extended, I should say [00:16]		I agree. [00:16]		I still see ESB things that aren't in there. [00:17]		I don't know if there's new info or not. [00:17]		But things that aren't in the Sources lists [00:17]		I have confidence that Trak would be able to get it done [00:17]		I vote to extend probe [00:17]		She's been at it for a while now. [00:17]	-->|	eyrezer (REDACTED@gateway/web/freenode/ip.REDACTED) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [00:17]	=-=	Mode #wookieepedia-inquisitorius +o eyrezer by ChanServ [00:17]		Hey Ey [00:17]		I can extend probe too, but I'm kind of getting tired of seeing this thing every meeting, tbh [00:17]		Welcome, Eyrezer [00:18]		Well, if it hasn't gotten done after two probes, I'm not sure if it ever will get done [00:18]	 	Apologies for lateness. [00:18]		She was under the impression that everything was done. [00:18]	<IFYLOFD>	Hmmm [00:18]	<Darth_Burger>	the probe page does say to check all ESB adaptations, which hasn't been done [00:18]	 	Zuckuss? [00:18]	<Darth_Burger>	Zuckuss, yes [00:18]	<Tommy9281>	Yes Eyr. [00:19]	<Darth_Burger>	I will gladly pass along which items I know are missing. [00:19]	<IFYLOFD>	Please do. [00:20]	<Tommy9281>	The saving grace is that she /is/ diligently working in it. [00:20]	<Darth_Burger>	per Tommy, which is why I say extend probe again [00:20]	 	Seeing as we have someone that is willing to work on the article I am happy to extend probe for specific issues [00:20]	<GreenTentacle>	Ok, extend. But we need to be specific about what needs fixing. [00:20]	<Tommy9281>	It doesn't hurt to extend probe while she puts forth the effort. [00:20]	<Tommy9281>	Yes. [00:21]	<Darth_Burger>	Trak can see me for ESB stuff [00:21]	<IFYLOFD>	My vote's already in to extend [00:21]	<CC7567>	Extend, then [00:21]	<Darth_Burger>	Extend [00:21]	<Tommy9281>	Extended. [00:21]	<Darth_Burger>	Zuckuss is extended until next meeting. [00:21]	<Darth_Burger>	Next up. [00:21]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vuffi_Raa [00:21]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Vuffi_Raa_(second_review) [00:21]	<Darth_Burger>	Probe was also extended from Meeting 36. [00:22]	<Darth_Burger>	I cited a dire need for overall expansion. [00:22]	<Darth_Burger>	Nothing has really changed. [00:22]	<Tommy9281>	Nope. [00:22]	<IFYLOFD>	Kill [00:22]	<CC7567>	Kill [00:22]	<Darth_Burger>	Kill [00:23]	<Tommy9281>	Kill. I have a question for CC before we move on. [00:23]	<Darth_Burger>	Any other votes? [00:23]	<GreenTentacle>	Kill for lack of expansion. Everything else looks done. [00:23]	<CC7567>	Tommy: yes? [00:23]	 	I have a problem with killing when the following was specifically asked: "I believe I've cleared up the issues in question. If further work is required, let me know. jSarek" [00:23]	<Tommy9281>	CC, on the meeting page, is your sig only under the individual ones you vouch for? [00:23]	<Darth_Burger>	That was from Meeting 36, Eyrezer. [00:24]	<Darth_Burger>	Then we extended probe afterward [00:24]	<Tommy9281>	Or groups of them too? [00:24]	<CC7567>	Tommy: only the individual ones [00:24]	<Darth_Burger>	Then we detailed on the page again what needed to be done, and no further changes were made. [00:24]	<Tommy9281>	Very good. Thanks. [00:24]	 	So the more detail comment is following this? (Undated on the page) [00:24]	<Darth_Burger>	Yes. [00:25]	<GreenTentacle>	Things to do section doesn't get dates. :P [00:25]	 	:P [00:25]	<Tommy9281>	Lol [00:25]	 	Intro's rather short too. Kill then [00:25]	<Darth_Burger>	Very well. [00:25]	<Tommy9281>	Death. [00:25]	<Darth_Burger>	Vuffi Raa is killed. [00:25]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rokko [00:26]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Rokko [00:26]	<IFYLOFD>	Rokko's Modern Life [00:26]	<Tommy9281>	Heh [00:26]	<Darth_Burger>	The original issue has been resolved; it was lacking a BTS [00:26]	<IFYLOFD>	BtS has been added [00:26]	<Darth_Burger>	but it now has an infobox redlink [00:26]	<Darth_Burger>	due to year article deletions [00:26]	<Tommy9281>	Probe then? [00:27]	<IFYLOFD>	Yeah, probe [00:27]	<CC7567>	Probe [00:27]	<GreenTentacle>	That should be easy to verify. [00:27]	<Darth_Burger>	the overall issue I see is that the original nominator is no longer around to fix the redlink, so I question how easy it is to fix [00:27]	<Darth_Burger>	unless anyone else has access to the material [00:27]	<IFYLOFD>	I do [00:27]	 	It is a case where the date is approximate... could we not just remove the link? [00:27]	<Tommy9281>	I'm incapable [00:27]	<IFYLOFD>	Its probably something that says he's 400 years old [00:27]	<IFYLOFD>	Shouldn't be too hard [00:27]	<Darth_Burger>	if you guys can put your heads together and fix it, I trust your capabilities :P [00:27]	 	Per FLOYD [00:28]	<Tommy9281>	Lol [00:28]	<Darth_Burger>	I would vote keep in that case, and let you guys figure it out :P [00:28]	<IFYLOFD>	Alright, either way is fine. [00:28]	<GreenTentacle>	I'm happy to keep as long as it gets fixed. [00:28]	 	Keep from me too [00:28]	<Tommy9281>	Keep [00:29]	<Darth_Burger>	Rokko kept - with the stipulation that the redlink will resolved [00:29]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/CT-21-0408 [00:29]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/CT-21-0408 [00:29]	<Darth_Burger>	CC claims Jang has updated it. [00:30]	<Darth_Burger>	CC7567, any further comments? [00:30]	<GreenTentacle>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=CT-21-0408&diff=3364902&oldid=3334719 [00:30]	<CC7567>	CC: nope [00:30]	<IFYLOFD>	Seems good [00:30]	<Tommy9281>	Keep. [00:30]	<GreenTentacle>	Looks good to me. [00:30]	<IFYLOFD>	Keep [00:30]	 	Keep [00:30]	<CC7567>	I admittedly haven't scrutinized it, but I can vouch that it's been updated [00:30]	<GreenTentacle>	Keep the clone. [00:30]	<Darth_Burger>	Keep [00:30]	<Darth_Burger>	CT-21-0408 kept. [00:31]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/CT-27-5555 [00:31]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/CT-27-5555 [00:31]	<Darth_Burger>	Same deal. [00:31]	<Tommy9281>	Same deal. [00:31]	<GreenTentacle>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=CT-27-5555&diff=3365425&oldid=3334737 [00:31]	<CC7567>	Same from me; keep [00:31]	<GreenTentacle>	Keep. [00:31]	 	Keep [00:31]	<IFYLOFD>	Keep. [00:31]	<Darth_Burger>	Keep [00:31]	<Darth_Burger>	CT-27-5555 kept. [00:32]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/4-LOM [00:32]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/4-LOM [00:32]	<Tommy9281>	Trak and XD say they fixed the respective issues. [00:32]	<CC7567>	Xd, you mean? :P [00:32]	<IFYLOFD>	Heh [00:32]	<Tommy9281>	Lol you got me :P [00:33]	<Darth_Burger>	I believe it's missing the same ESB stuff Zuckuss is. [00:33]	<GreenTentacle>	Extend then? [00:33]	<Darth_Burger>	Again, whether or not it has new info, I don't know. [00:33]	<Darth_Burger>	But the Sources lists are incomplete. [00:33]	<Darth_Burger>	I can extend probe. [00:34]	<Tommy9281>	I agree. [00:34]	<IFYLOFD>	Extend away. [00:34]	<CC7567>	Extend [00:34]	 	Ok. Extend and mention missing sources on Inq page [00:34]	<Darth_Burger>	4-LOM kept. [00:34]	<Darth_Burger>	Er, extended* [00:35]	<Darth_Burger>	Sorry :P [00:35]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/501st_Legion [00:35]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/501st_Legion_(third_review) [00:35]	<Darth_Burger>	This article, the bane of my existence :P [00:35]	<Darth_Burger>	CC? [00:35]	<CC7567>	I updated it, fwiw :P [00:35]	<Tommy9281>	Lol [00:35]	 	Oh and 4LOM also has 4 redlinks at the moment [00:36]	<Darth_Burger>	If 501st is updated, keep [00:37]	<GreenTentacle>	Keep and blame CC if it's wrong. :P [00:37]	 	On CC's word, keep [00:37]	<Tommy9281>	Keep. [00:37]	<IFYLOFD>	Keep [00:37]	<Darth_Burger>	501st Legion kept. [00:37]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Christophsis [00:37]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Battle_of_Christophsis [00:38]	<Tommy9281>	Nothing done. [00:38]	<Darth_Burger>	partially updated? [00:38]	<GreenTentacle>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Battle_of_Christophsis&diff=3346386&oldid=3334980 [00:38]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Battle_of_Christophsis&oldid=3341920 [00:38]	<CC7567>	I'm actually working on it right now :P [00:38]	<Tommy9281>	It was? [00:38]	<GreenTentacle>	More than nothing. [00:38]	<Tommy9281>	Ahh. [00:38]	<CC7567>	I'm going to finish it in about 15 minutes or less, so that's the issue [00:38]	<GreenTentacle>	Extend. [00:38]	<Darth_Burger>	If CC is actively working on it, I can extend [00:38]	<CC7567>	I'm fine with the probe being extended, but the update will be done in a little bit [00:38]	<Tommy9281>	No worries then. [00:38]	 	Extend [00:39]	<IFYLOFD>	Extend [00:39]	<Darth_Burger>	Battle of Christophsis extended. [00:39]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_the_Kaliida_Nebula [00:39]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Battle_of_the_Kaliida_Nebula [00:39]	<CC7567>	I finished that one :P [00:39]	<Tommy9281>	Lol keep. [00:39]	<GreenTentacle>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Battle_of_the_Kaliida_Nebula&diff=3357676&oldid=3334987 [00:40]	<GreenTentacle>	Keep. [00:40]	<IFYLOFD>	Keep. [00:40]	<Darth_Burger>	Keep [00:40]	<Tommy9281>	Hard work huh, CC [00:40]	<Darth_Burger>	Battle of the Kaliida Nebula kept. [00:41]	<CC7567>	Tommy: yep :P [00:41]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/CC-1004 [00:41]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/CC-1004_(third_review) [00:41]	<Tommy9281>	The virtues of project management :P [00:41]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=CC-1004&diff=3365389&oldid=3365382 [00:41]	<Darth_Burger>	CC claims it's done. [00:41]	<Tommy9281>	Also keep. [00:41]	 	Keep [00:41]	<CC7567>	Wiat [00:41]	<CC7567>	*Wait [00:41]	<Tommy9281>	... [00:41]	<CC7567>	Oh, nevermind [00:41]	<CC7567>	It's fine :P [00:42]	<Darth_Burger>	Keep [00:42]	<IFYLOFD>	Keep [00:42]	<GreenTentacle>	Keep the article. Kill TCW. [00:42]	<Darth_Burger>	CC-1004 kept. [00:42]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/CC-5052 [00:42]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/CC-5052_(second_review) [00:42]	<CC7567>	Okay [00:42]	<Darth_Burger>	he kind of looks like Oscar from The Office. [00:42]	<Tommy9281>	Lol [00:42]	<CC7567>	The problem with this one is that I haven't been able to find the missing material [00:43]	<CC7567>	I'll keep looking if you guys want to extend the probe [00:43]	<GreenTentacle>	Are we sure there is any? [00:43]	<Darth_Burger>	you can't find the missing info in the game, you mean? [00:43]	<CC7567>	Yeah [00:43]	<CC7567>	GT: actually, no, we're not sure if there's any [00:43]	<Darth_Burger>	was Mauser the one who added it originally? [00:43]	<CC7567>	Yes, Mauser added it [00:44]	<Tommy9281>	Erg [00:44]	<CC7567>	And he hasn't specified exactly where the info may be [00:44]	<Darth_Burger>	well, then, pardon my French, fuck it [00:44]	<CC7567>	I'll keep looking nevertheless, but it's up to you guys what to do [00:44]	<Tommy9281>	I agree. [00:44]	<Darth_Burger>	Keep it unless someone can prove where this missing info is [00:44]	<Tommy9281>	With Tope. [00:44]	<GreenTentacle>	Per Tope. [00:44]	<IFYLOFD>	Per Tope [00:44]	<CC7567>	Can the update tag be left on the article, though? I need some motivation to find the info :P [00:45]	<CC7567>	*find the info or verify that there isn't any [00:45]	<Tommy9281>	If there is really any info. [00:45]	<GreenTentacle>	Sure. It'll force us to review next time too. :P [00:45]	<Darth_Burger>	CC-5052 kept then. [00:45]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cad_Bane [00:45]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Cad_Bane [00:46]	<CC7567>	The update for that one is done; I just forgot to remove the tag [00:46]	<CC7567>	(I initially thought that there was more info, but there wasn't) [00:46]	<Darth_Burger>	Too late. [00:46]	<Darth_Burger>	We'll have to kill it now. [00:46]	<CC7567>	:P [00:46]	<GreenTentacle>	Heh. [00:46]	<Tommy9281>	Keep. [00:46]	<Tommy9281>	Lol [00:46]	<Darth_Burger>	Keep [00:46]	<GreenTentacle>	Keep. [00:46]	<IFYLOFD>	Keep [00:46]	 	Keep [00:46]	<Darth_Burger>	Cad Bane kept. [00:47]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cham_Syndulla [00:47]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Cham_Syndulla [00:47]	<Darth_Burger>	this video game is quite the bugger, eh? [00:47]	<CC7567>	Yes, it /is/ [00:47]	<CC7567>	-_- [00:47]	<Tommy9281>	I dear say. [00:47]	<GreenTentacle>	It's Clone Wars. That goes without saying. :P [00:47]	<Darth_Burger>	CC says it's updated. [00:47]	<CC7567>	Syndulla is updated and should be good [00:47]	<Darth_Burger>	Keep. [00:47]	<Tommy9281>	Dare* [00:47]	<IFYLOFD>	Keep [00:47]	<GreenTentacle>	Keep. [00:48]	<Tommy9281>	keep. [00:48]	 	keep [00:48]	<Darth_Burger>	Cham Syndulla kept. [00:48]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cut_Lawquane [00:48]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Cut_Lawquane [00:48]	<Darth_Burger>	Updated, apparently [00:48]	<CC7567>	I can vouch for that [00:48]	<GreenTentacle>	Updated before we even added the template. [00:48]	<Darth_Burger>	Keep. [00:48]	<Tommy9281>	Heh [00:48]	<GreenTentacle>	Keep. [00:48]	<Tommy9281>	Keep. [00:49]	<IFYLOFD>	Keep. [00:49]	 	Keep [00:49]	<Darth_Burger>	Cut Lawquane kept. [00:49]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ganch [00:49]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Ganch [00:49]	<GreenTentacle>	No change. Kill. [00:49]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Ganch&diff=3335021&oldid=3335020 [00:49]	<Darth_Burger>	Floyd made a valiant effort :P [00:49]	<IFYLOFD>	Kill. [00:50]	<CC7567>	Kay, there's a problem with that one [00:50]	<IFYLOFD>	:P [00:50]	<IFYLOFD>	I did all I could. [00:50]	<CC7567>	The issue is that it's in the current TCW webcomic, which means it's getting bi-weekly new info [00:50]	<Darth_Burger>	haha [00:50]	<Tommy9281>	Lol [00:50]	 	kill [00:50]	<CC7567>	Floyd: your effort was in vain :P [00:50]	<CC7567>	I vote kill [00:50]	<Darth_Burger>	the TCW webcomic is still ongoing? [00:50]	<Tommy9281>	Damn. [00:51]	<GreenTentacle>	There's a TCW webcomic? :P [00:51]	<Darth_Burger>	haha [00:51]	<Tommy9281>	TC who? [00:51]	<Darth_Burger>	Kill it [00:51]	<Darth_Burger>	Ganch is killed. [00:51]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gha_Nachkt [00:52]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Gha_Nachkt_(second_review) [00:52]	<Darth_Burger>	Updated, apparently [00:52]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Gha_Nachkt&diff=3347588&oldid=3335515 [00:52]	<Tommy9281>	Yes. [00:52]	<GreenTentacle>	Keep. [00:52]	<Tommy9281>	Keep if CC says it's good. [00:52]	<Darth_Burger>	Keep [00:52]	<CC7567>	It's good :P [00:52]	<IFYLOFD>	Keep. [00:52]	 	keep [00:53]	<Darth_Burger>	Gha Nachkt kept. [00:53]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gotal [00:53]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Gotal_(second_review) [00:53]	 	Extend. Lots of work still to do, but it is being actively updated [00:53]	<GreenTentacle>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Save_the_Gotals [00:53]	<Tommy9281>	Heh [00:54]	<Darth_Burger>	I recognize that it's being worked on, but it's undergoing a massive overhaul. [00:54]	<Darth_Burger>	My concern is that we might as well just re-review the thing from scratch. [00:54]	<Darth_Burger>	It won't be nearly the same article, as far as I can see [00:54]	<Tommy9281>	Hmm. [00:54]	<GreenTentacle>	This could be a big enough change to warrant a full review. [00:55]	<GreenTentacle>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Gotal&diff=3363290&oldid=3337683 [00:55]	<Tommy9281>	In that case... [00:55]	<CC7567>	I have to go, so later guys [00:55]	<Darth_Burger>	I think it would warrant the full review once completed. [00:55]	<CC7567>	Toprawa has my vote :P [00:55]	 	We've been in situation before though without requiring a re-review from scratch [00:55]	|<--	CC7567 has left irc.freenode.org (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.86 [Firefox 3.6.12/20101026200743]) [00:56]	<Darth_Burger>	None recently, however [00:56]	<Tommy9281>	I'd say kill if it needs a full review. [00:56]	<Darth_Burger>	And we agreed a few meetings ago that we would actually implement a formal procedure for this type of thing [00:56]	<Darth_Burger>	For re-reviewing [00:56]	<Tommy9281>	That's just too much IMO [00:56]	 	Plus if you kill, it may not get the update :P Better to get as much leverage out of Bob while you can :P [00:56]	<Darth_Burger>	The procedure was just never implemented [00:56]	<Tommy9281>	I hear you Eyr. [00:57]	<Darth_Burger>	well, it's up to him if he wants to work on it [00:57]	 	Atrivis sector doubled in size between initial FA and later review... Just to quote an example of my own writing [00:57]	<Tommy9281>	You're not doing the update? [00:57]	<Darth_Burger>	I understand, Eyrezer. My point is that we agreed that any article that experiences a 500kb or more expansion would require a fresh review of the new material. [00:58]	<Darth_Burger>	What I'm saying is that this article is undergoing a total expansion/overhaul [00:58]	<Darth_Burger>	Meaning we would be obligated to look at it all over again anyway [00:58]	<Darth_Burger>	Why not just review it fresh? [00:58]	<Darth_Burger>	I'm not trying to kill your guys' article, I just want us to look at it properly [00:58]	<Darth_Burger>	which won't be done through the probation process [00:59]	<GreenTentacle>	We should actually set that up and do it properly. [00:59]	<Darth_Burger>	Indeed [00:59]	 	It jsut strikes me that with the queue the way it is, that is in effect a heafty penalty for updating an article [00:59]	<Darth_Burger>	This article isn't just being updated. [00:59]	<Darth_Burger>	it's being completely rewritten [00:59]	<Darth_Burger>	there's a huge difference there [01:00]	<Darth_Burger>	this article was horribly incomplete from the get-go [01:00]	<Darth_Burger>	we would be obligated to re-review the entire article anyway [01:00]	<Darth_Burger>	why not just give it a fresh go through the review page? [01:01]	<Darth_Burger>	Well, I vote kill it. Review it fresh on the FAN page. [01:02]	<GreenTentacle>	"A Review Update page will be created, in similarity to the FAN, to review FAs that undergo major updates with additions of 3,000 bytes or more, or major rewrites (the latter to be judged on a case-by-case basis). Articles to undergo Review Updates will be selected at meetings, and will require 3 votes from current Inquisitors only to retain their status." [01:02]	<GreenTentacle>	It only needs 3 Inqs to review it. [01:03]	<GreenTentacle>	It should be the first through that rather than back to the start. [01:03]	<Tommy9281>	I like. [01:03]	<GreenTentacle>	If it was fully updated that is. [01:03]	<GreenTentacle>	Which it isn't yet. [01:03]	 	So what happens in the meantime? Is it an extend to allow to go the Review Update? [01:03]	<GreenTentacle>	I could go with that. [01:04]	 	...once update is through. Ie, "keep pending Review Update". Or is it "Kill pending Review Update"? [01:04]	* eyrezer	toilet break [01:04]	<GreenTentacle>	If we kill then it has to go back through the FAN. [01:04]	<Tommy9281>	Yes. [01:04]	<GreenTentacle>	Review Update would only be for fixed stuff. [01:05]	<Darth_Burger>	well, how close are we to even having this article finished? [01:05]	<GreenTentacle>	That's the question. [01:05]	<Darth_Burger>	it still appears to have a considerable amount of work to go [01:05]	<Tommy9281>	No, for things that received significant changes. [01:05]	<GreenTentacle>	If it's close then extend, if it's miles away then kill. [01:05]	<Darth_Burger>	I'm afraid I need to step away for a few minutes. I leave the meeting in GT's hands until I return. :P [01:05]	<GreenTentacle>	We're doomed! [01:05]	<Darth_Burger>	I'm fine with whatever you guys decide. [01:06]	<GreenTentacle>	Give it one more month and if it still isn't fixed kill? [01:06]	<GreenTentacle>	If it is fixed then Update Review. [01:06]	<Tommy9281>	Eyr: Are you performing the update? [01:06]	<GreenTentacle>	Either way the changes get read properly. [01:07]	<GreenTentacle>	Tommy9281: I think SavageBob is. [01:07]	 	I haven't been involved so far, no [01:07]	<Tommy9281>	Ok [01:08]	<Tommy9281>	I can go another month. [01:08]	<Tommy9281>	Let's move on fellas. [01:08]	<GreenTentacle>	IFYLOFD? [01:08]	 	I think that is fair, considering other articles that get extended probes [01:08]	 	with less activity [01:08]	<IFYLOFD>	Per GT. [01:08]	<GreenTentacle>	Then probation is extended. [01:09]	<GreenTentacle>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mar_Tuuk [01:09]	<GreenTentacle>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Mar_Tuuk [01:09]	<GreenTentacle>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Mar_Tuuk&diff=3342335&oldid=3337688 [01:09]	<GreenTentacle>	"Should be updated now. I'd like the record to note that the game is extremely confusing, and that the "Card Commander" mini-game is complete nonsense. Grand Moff Tranner (Comlink) 03:25, November 21, 2010 (UTC)" [01:09]	<Tommy9281>	Tranner updated per CC. [01:10]	<Tommy9281>	Lol [01:10]	<GreenTentacle>	Keep. [01:10]	 	Lol [01:10]	 	Keep [01:10]	<Tommy9281>	Keep [01:10]	<Tommy9281>	Floyd! [01:10]	<IFYLOFD>	Keep! [01:10]	<IFYLOFD>	Dang, man! [01:10]	<Tommy9281>	Lol [01:11]	<Tommy9281>	We got a long ways to go :P [01:11]	<GreenTentacle>	Mar Tuuk is kept. [01:11]	<GreenTentacle>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nym [01:11]	<GreenTentacle>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Nym [01:11]	<GreenTentacle>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Nym&diff=3360606&oldid=3337692 [01:11]	<GreenTentacle>	No changes. Kill. [01:11]	<IFYLOFD>	Kill. [01:11]	 	kill [01:11]	<Tommy9281>	Kill. [01:11]	<IFYLOFD>	No matter how awesome he may be. [01:12]	<GreenTentacle>	He dead. [01:12]	<GreenTentacle>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Peppi_Bow [01:12]	<GreenTentacle>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Peppi_Bow [01:12]	<GreenTentacle>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Peppi_Bow&diff=3356519&oldid=3337696 [01:12]	<Tommy9281>	Keep. [01:12]	<GreenTentacle>	Updated apparently. [01:12]	<GreenTentacle>	Keep. [01:13]	<Tommy9281>	Lol [01:14]	<GreenTentacle>	Bad internet. [01:14]	<GreenTentacle>	What did I miss? [01:14]	-->|	GT|away (~chatzilla@REDACTED) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [01:14]	=-=	Mode #wookieepedia-inquisitorius +o GT|away by ChanServ [01:14]	=-=	Mode #wookieepedia-inquisitorius +o GT|away by Nuku-Nuku [01:14]	<Tommy9281>	Nothin. Peppi kept. [01:14]	<IFYLOFD>	Welcome back GT and GT. [01:14]	<GreenTentacle>	Right, next... [01:14]	<GreenTentacle>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Geonosis [01:15]	<GreenTentacle>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Second_Battle_of_Geonosis [01:15]	<Tommy9281>	Keep. [01:15]	<GreenTentacle>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Second_Battle_of_Geonosis&diff=3341826&oldid=3337707 [01:15]	<GreenTentacle>	Keep. [01:15]	 	Keep [01:15]	<GreenTentacle>	I hope somebody is logging by the way. :P [01:16]	<Tommy9281>	I am but I can't do the paperwork. [01:16]	<Tommy9281>	I can email it to one of you. [01:16]	<GreenTentacle>	Just upload the log. [01:17]	* Darth_Burger	returns [01:17]	<Darth_Burger>	GT can keep moderating if you want [01:17]	<GreenTentacle>	Yay! [01:17]	<Darth_Burger>	but I'll take it if not :P [01:17]	<GreenTentacle>	Feel free. [01:17]	<Tommy9281>	I spoke too soon. [01:17]	<Tommy9281>	Damn iPad. [01:17]	<IFYLOFD>	Keep. [01:17]	<Darth_Burger>	Keep [01:17]	<Tommy9281>	Keep. [01:17]	<Darth_Burger>	Second Battle of Geonosis kept. [01:18]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sky_Battle_of_Quell [01:18]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Sky_Battle_of_Quell [01:18]	<Darth_Burger>	CC claims updated. [01:18]	<Tommy9281>	Also keep. [01:18]	 	Keep [01:18]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Sky_Battle_of_Quell&diff=3341891&oldid=3337709 [01:18]	<Darth_Burger>	Keep [01:18]	<GreenTentacle>	Keep. [01:19]	<Darth_Burger>	Sky Battle of Quell kept. [01:19]	<Darth_Burger>	Wat Tambor is next; I'm instructed to pass along a note from CC regarding this. [01:19]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wat_Tambor [01:19]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Wat_Tambor_(second_review) [01:19]	<Darth_Burger>	CC says: "Okay, the issue with this one is that the initial update (the one from Clone Wars Adventures, the one that we probed it for) has been taken care of, but today I just found out that there's more info on it from a TCW comic book (it's listed in the update tag currently on the article). I therefore request that the probe be extended for the new comic, which wasn't in the original probe." [01:20]	 	Sounds reasonable [01:20]	<GreenTentacle>	Fine by me. Extend. [01:20]	<Tommy9281>	I can get with that. [01:20]	<Darth_Burger>	Extend. [01:20]	<IFYLOFD>	Extend. [01:20]	<Darth_Burger>	Wat Tambor extended. [01:20]	<Tommy9281>	Extended. [01:20]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Whorm_Loathsom [01:20]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Whorm_Loathsom [01:20]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Whorm_Loathsom&diff=3365781&oldid=3337712 [01:20]	<Darth_Burger>	Updated apparently [01:21]	<GreenTentacle>	Looks good. Keep. [01:21]	<IFYLOFD>	Keep. [01:21]	<Darth_Burger>	Keep [01:21]	<Tommy9281>	Keep. [01:21]	<Darth_Burger>	Whorm Loathsom kept. [01:21]	 	keep [01:22]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Evir_Derricote [01:22]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Evir_Derricote [01:22]	<Darth_Burger>	No change, despite Colin's comment. [01:22]	<GreenTentacle>	"I just saw this, and I will try to get my hands on the book in the next few days to work on this. — Hunter Kahn 06:04, December 8, 2010 (UTC)" [01:22]	<Tommy9281>	Kill. [01:22]	<Darth_Burger>	I respect his efforts, but I'll say that Colin isn't the most active user. [01:22]	<Darth_Burger>	Who knows when that article will actually get updated. [01:23]	<Darth_Burger>	I support kill as well. [01:23]	<GreenTentacle>	We could extend I guess. But I can equally go with kill. [01:23]	 	I would be happy to extend. [01:23]	<IFYLOFD>	Kill. [01:24]	-->|	ecks`|zzz (~chatzilla@REDACTED) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [01:24]	<Darth_Burger>	GT, your decision, please. :P [01:24]	<Darth_Burger>	hello to the silent Xd also :P [01:25]	<GreenTentacle>	Does anybody know if it's a big update? [01:25]	<Darth_Burger>	I will pass along CC, Jugs, and Tranner's absentee votes if need be. [01:25]	<GreenTentacle>	I'd be happier to extend if it's something minor. [01:26]	<Darth_Burger>	FWIW, I call attention to Hunter's contributions as testament to his spotty editing frequency. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Contributions/Hunter_Kahn [01:26]	<Darth_Burger>	I personally place no faith in his reliability, respectfully speaking. [01:26]	<GreenTentacle>	True, but a month for a minor update is doable. [01:26]	<Tommy9281>	I still say kill. [01:26]	<GreenTentacle>	If it's something major then you make a good point. [01:27]	<Darth_Burger>	I cannot speak to the level of update required. [01:27]	<Tommy9281>	Neither can I. [01:28]	<Darth_Burger>	If we have a deadlocked vote, as we currently do, all three of the aforementioned absentees vote kill. [01:28]	<GreenTentacle>	Amazon comes up with 8 references to him. [01:28]	<GreenTentacle>	Assuming it's searching the whole book. [01:28]	<GreenTentacle>	Well, if I vote extend then you can't kill anyway. [01:28]	<GreenTentacle>	The old less then 2 opposed rule. [01:28]	<Culator|Away>	It's all contained within two chapters. It's not huge. [01:29]	<GreenTentacle>	Then extend seems reasonable. [01:30]	<Tommy9281>	I guess. Would you keep an eye on it, Culator? [01:30]	<Culator|Away>	I suppose. [01:30]	<Darth_Burger>	The rules say extend probe on the current vote of 6-2, then. [01:30]	<Darth_Burger>	Though I point out that we still have no way of verifying the odds of this article even being updated in time. [01:30]	<GreenTentacle>	Then we kill next time. [01:31]	<Darth_Burger>	Evir Derricote extended. [01:31]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/181st_Imperial_Fighter_Wing [01:31]	 	To keep things moving along, I will look at it between now and the next meeting [01:31]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/181st_Imperial_Fighter_Wing [01:31]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=181st_Imperial_Fighter_Wing&diff=3342009&oldid=3337720 [01:32]	<Darth_Burger>	A sarcastic thanks to Havac for keeping us updated. [01:32]	<Darth_Burger>	Keep [01:32]	<GreenTentacle>	Keep. [01:32]	<IFYLOFD>	Keep [01:32]	<Tommy9281>	I have to step away real quick. Keep. [01:33]	<Darth_Burger>	181st Imperial Fighter Wing kept. [01:33]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Antinnis_Tremayne [01:33]	 	Keep [01:33]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Antinnis_Tremayne [01:33]	<Darth_Burger>	No substantial change. [01:33]	 	Kill [01:33]	<Darth_Burger>	Kill [01:33]	<GreenTentacle>	The PNG makes a huge difference! :P [01:34]	<GreenTentacle>	Kill. [01:34]	<Darth_Burger>	Other votes? [01:34]	<Darth_Burger>	Culator, Floyd? [01:34]	<IFYLOFD>	Kill. [01:35]	<Darth_Burger>	Antinnis Tremayne killed. [01:35]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Lutrillian [01:35]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Lutrillian_(second_review) [01:35]	<Darth_Burger>	lots of work done, evidently [01:36]	<Tommy9281>	Ok back. [01:36]	<GreenTentacle>	More than we asked for. [01:36]	<GreenTentacle>	That's enthusiasm. [01:36]	<Tommy9281>	Yes I noticed that. [01:36]	<Darth_Burger>	Keep [01:36]	<GreenTentacle>	Keep. [01:36]	 	Keep [01:36]	<Tommy9281>	Keep. [01:37]	<Darth_Burger>	I don't even remember what the deal was with the Oseon asteroid belt, FWIW [01:37]	<Darth_Burger>	Lutrillian kept. [01:37]	-->|	GrandMoffTranner (~Tranner@REDACTED) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [01:37]	=-=	Mode #wookieepedia-inquisitorius +o GrandMoffTranner by ChanServ [01:37]	=-=	Mode #wookieepedia-inquisitorius +o GrandMoffTranner by Nuku-Nuku [01:37]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shadows_of_the_Empire_(soundtrack) [01:37]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Shadows_of_the_Empire_(soundtrack) [01:37]	<Darth_Burger>	hey Tranner [01:37]	<Tommy9281>	GMT! [01:37]	<GreenTentacle>	Kill. [01:38]	<Tommy9281>	Kill soundtrack. [01:38]	<GreenTentacle>	Pity though, nice subject. [01:38]	<Darth_Burger>	No change. [01:38]	<Darth_Burger>	Kill [01:38]	<Tommy9281>	... [01:38]	 	Kill [01:39]	<GrandMoffTranner>	The meeting is /still/ going on? Damn. [01:39]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Kill it. [01:39]	<Darth_Burger>	Shadows of the Empire soundtrack killed. [01:39]	<Culator|Away>	Yeah, I was afraid I had napped through the whole thing. [01:39]	<Tommy9281>	We got a bit to go yet. [01:39]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wes_Janson [01:39]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Wes_Janson_(third_review) [01:39]	<Darth_Burger>	number of changes made [01:39]	<Darth_Burger>	no word on its progress [01:40]	<Darth_Burger>	though the inuse tag was dutifully removed [01:41]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Wes_Janson&diff=3349669&oldid=3349659 [01:41]	<Darth_Burger>	and http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Wes_Janson&diff=next&oldid=3349669 [01:41]	<GreenTentacle>	The Insider stuff is done. [01:42]	<GreenTentacle>	Not sure how much else needed doing to BTS. [01:42]	<Culator|Away>	I'd say extend and call Menk on his offer. [01:42]	 	Per Culator [01:42]	<IFYLOFD>	Extend. [01:42]	<GreenTentacle>	Per Culator. [01:42]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Sure. Why not. [01:42]	<Darth_Burger>	Fine with me. [01:42]	<Tommy9281>	Me too. [01:43]	<Darth_Burger>	Wes Janson extended on the Menk clause. [01:43]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Raid_on_Ziro_the_Hutt%27s_Coruscant_club [01:43]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Raid_on_Ziro_the_Hutt%27s_Coruscant_club [01:43]	<Darth_Burger>	Apparently updated. [01:44]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Raid_on_Ziro_the_Hutt%27s_Coruscant_club&diff=3337789&oldid=3337767 [01:44]	<Darth_Burger>	Substantially so :P [01:44]	<GreenTentacle>	Keep. [01:44]	<Culator|Away>	The update was before the FAR tag was added. [01:44]	<Darth_Burger>	ah [01:44]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Keep. [01:44]	<Culator|Away>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Raid_on_Ziro_the_Hutt%27s_Coruscant_club&diff=3337789&oldid=3326855 [01:44]	 	keep [01:44]	<IFYLOFD>	Keep. [01:44]	<Darth_Burger>	Keep [01:45]	<Darth_Burger>	Raid on Ziro's club kept. [01:45]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mount_Sorrow [01:45]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Mount_Sorrow [01:45]	<Darth_Burger>	The fixing of the BTS alone warrants keep. [01:45]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Mount_Sorrow&diff=3338202&oldid=3337772 some there [01:46]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Mount_Sorrow&diff=3339086&oldid=3338214 some more there [01:46]	 	keep [01:46]	<Tommy9281>	Keep [01:47]	<Darth_Burger>	Keep [01:47]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Keep. [01:47]	<Darth_Burger>	Fiolli voted keep as well. [01:47]	<Darth_Burger>	Mount Sorrow kept. [01:47]	<Darth_Burger>	Oooook. [01:47]	<Darth_Burger>	New article review now. [01:47]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aruk_Besadii_Aora [01:47]	<Darth_Burger>	# Aruk Besadii Aora—Infobox redlink, caused by the recent year deletions. 1358 (Talk) 19:44, December 6, 2010 (UTC) [01:48]	<Darth_Burger>	* Should be good now. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 20:08, December 7, 2010 (UTC) [01:48]	<IFYLOFD>	Keep. [01:48]	<Darth_Burger>	Keep [01:48]	<GreenTentacle>	Keep. [01:48]	 	keep [01:48]	<Tommy9281>	Keep. [01:48]	<Darth_Burger>	Aruk kept. [01:48]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Caedus [01:48]	<Darth_Burger>	# Darth Caedus—Needs Vortex update with specific regard to his time among the Fallanassi.—Tommy 9281 23:54, December 6, 2010 (UTC) [01:49]	<Tommy9281>	I would update it myself but it would require significant Tommychanges :P [01:49]	<GreenTentacle>	There are several Vortex ones not on the list so I suggest we take one vote to cover them all. [01:49]	<IFYLOFD>	Probe. [01:49]	<GreenTentacle>	Personally I'd be happy to give them a month before probing. [01:49]	 	I like your idea GT. [01:49]	<Tommy9281>	I don't want to tamper with Havac's prose. [01:49]	<Darth_Burger>	I'm fine with that. [01:49]	<Tommy9281>	Me too. [01:50]	<Culator|Away>	It does need updating, but let me state for the record that the Fallanassi part in Vortex was some fucked up shit, technically speaking. [01:50]	<GreenTentacle>	I'll look forward to that bit then. :P [01:50]	<Darth_Burger>	Darth Caedus not probed, but Vortex issues will be upheld next meeting if not resolved. [01:51]	<Tommy9281>	I agree. [01:51]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Sure. [01:51]	<Darth_Burger>	All other Vortex articles are similarly given leeway. [01:51]	<Culator|Away>	That's a sound plan. [01:51]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Agamar [01:51]	<Darth_Burger>	# Agamar - evidently may need a minor update for Agamar slider. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:37, December 7, 2010 (UTC) [01:51]	<Darth_Burger>	* Updated. Still need to kill a couple of redlinks. Green Tentacle (Talk) 22:26, December 7, 2010 (UTC) [01:51]	<Darth_Burger>	o All done. Green Tentacle (Talk) 21:10, December 11, 2010 (UTC) [01:52]	 	Keep [01:52]	<Darth_Burger>	Keep [01:52]	<Tommy9281>	Keep. [01:52]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Keep. [01:52]	<IFYLOFD>	Keep. [01:52]	<Darth_Burger>	Agamar not probed. [01:52]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shahan_Alama [01:52]	<Darth_Burger>	# Shahan Alama - Apparently in the end credits of The Art of Star Wars: The Clone Wars, a "Shahana Alam" is listed among the TCW production team. This probably deserves a mention in this article's BTS as possible name origin. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:33, December 9, 2010 (UTC) [01:52]	<Darth_Burger>	* Correction: Name is listed in the "credits," which is apparently a different list from the production team. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:48, December 9, 2010 (UTC) [01:53]	<Darth_Burger>	I should say that this is all second-hand information from User:Nahdar Vebb [01:53]	<Darth_Burger>	Jugs or CC apparently rifled through it already and couldn't find the mention. [01:53]	<Tommy9281>	Hearsay! [01:53]	<Tommy9281>	:P [01:54]	<Darth_Burger>	FWIW, Nahdar is on IRC daily, and I trust his judgment, and he did say, IIRC, that the mention was from the German version [01:54]	<Darth_Burger>	we can ask him to weigh in on this in the coming days if need be [01:55]	<Culator|Away>	If he can actually provide a scan, then probe it then. Until he does, leave it be. [01:55]	<Darth_Burger>	I'm fine with that. [01:55]	<GreenTentacle>	Indeed. [01:55]	<Tommy9281>	Me too. [01:56]	 	sounds good [01:56]	<GrandMoffTranner>	What they said. [01:56]	<Darth_Burger>	Shahan Alama not probed. [01:56]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Saelt-Marae [01:56]	<Darth_Burger>	# Saelt-Marae - article appears to require an update from the Episode I PC game, according to the accompanying game guide. See the article's talk page for details. I can elaborate more on this at the meeting. Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:02, December 11, 2010 (UTC) [01:56]	<Darth_Burger>	Basically, it's this: [01:56]	<Darth_Burger>	in the Tatooine level, you interact with a Yarkora, which the game guide refers to in each instance as "Yak Face" [01:57]	<Darth_Burger>	AFAIK, "Yak Face" has only ever been a reference to Saelt-Marae, not necessarily any member of the species [01:57]	<Darth_Burger>	unless I'm wrong about that, I think we have to assume that's Saelt-Marae [01:57]	<Darth_Burger>	Eyrezer might be able to weigh in on that [01:57]	<GreenTentacle>	Sounds reasonable. [01:58]	<Tommy9281>	Per GT. [01:58]	 	Rounds fair. [01:59]	<Darth_Burger>	I vote probe then, on missing info from the Episode I game [01:59]	<GreenTentacle>	Probe. [01:59]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Probe it. [02:00]	<Darth_Burger>	Other votes? [02:00]	<Tommy9281>	Probe. [02:00]	<Darth_Burger>	Saelt-Marae probed. [02:00]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sriluur [02:01]	<Darth_Burger>	# Sriluur - redlink in the intro, created as a result of the year verification project. Grand Moff Tranner (Comlink) 01:59, December 11, 2010 (UTC) [02:01]	<Darth_Burger>	* Restored article with source. Green Tentacle (Talk) 17:22, December 11, 2010 (UTC) [02:01]	<Tommy9281>	Keep. [02:01]	<IFYLOFD>	Keep. [02:01]	<Darth_Burger>	Keep [02:01]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Keep. [02:01]	 	Probe [02:01]	 	Opps... that was for Yak Face [02:01]	<Tommy9281>	Lol [02:02]	<Darth_Burger>	Sriluur not probed. [02:02]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Morseerian [02:02]	<Darth_Burger>	brace yourselves for reading [02:02]	<Darth_Burger>	Morseerian—In the "History" section, the article states that "the Morseerians evolved on a world known only to them, rumored to be somewhere in the Outer Rim. They were introduced to the greater galaxy some 12,000 years before the Battle of Yavin. At some point, they learned the workings of hyperspace technology and spread from their homeworld, whose location they managed to protect from... [02:02]	<Darth_Burger>	...outsiders." This, however, is a distortion of what the Ultimate Alien Anthology states. Only the first sentence from this excerpt in the article checks out. Here are the relevant sentences from the UAA: "Despite having lived on the fringes of galactic civilization for nearly twelve thousand years, the Morseerians have kept hidden the whereabouts and name of their homeworld, guarding this... [02:02]	<Darth_Burger>	...information with their lives. // Homeworld: Unknown. The planet is purported to lie somewhere in the Outer rim." Nothing provides a hard date, and nothing implies that they were introduced to the galactic community at that time. The Atlas has proven that far-flung regions of space were explored in pockets well before some Core-ward areas. The prose for this needs to be reworked based upon... [02:02]	<Darth_Burger>	...the actual print and not some implied, speculative research; the link to 12,000 BBY should be removed, as it is an irrelevant connection. — Fiolli 05:29, December 11, 2010 (UTC) [02:03]	 	Part of this is the same as Rokko - Linking to an approximate date. [02:04]	<Darth_Burger>	part of Fiolli's inspiration behind this is that he doesn't feel the info needs to be added to the 12,000 BBY article, which is a GAN of his [02:04]	<Darth_Burger>	and if it doesn't need to be added, he doesn't think it needs to be linked here [02:04]	<Darth_Burger>	because then the articles not synced up, as it were [02:04]	<Culator|Away>	If it's just an estimate, than he's right. [02:04]	<Darth_Burger>	a GA* of his, rather [02:04]	<Culator|Away>	*then [02:05]	<Darth_Burger>	I tend to agree as well on the link [02:06]	 	As it is the article says "some 12,000 years before the Battle of Yavin" so it seems to me to be a situation where it would be acceptable to just remove the link to 12,000 BBY. It is already said to be an approximate date in the text [02:06]	<Tommy9281>	True. [02:06]	<Darth_Burger>	I'm fine with removing the link. [02:07]	<Tommy9281>	That's acceptable. [02:07]	<Darth_Burger>	Fiolli does have a point about there being info in the article's sentences that don't correspond to the source. [02:07]	 	Tope, I think you and Bob agreed on a similar situation before, right? [02:07]	<Darth_Burger>	About hyperspace technology, for instance [02:08]	<Darth_Burger>	this was the original article we had issue with [02:08]	 	Ah, I see [02:08]	<Darth_Burger>	I agreed it was ok to link, but Fiolli convinced me afterward of its ambiguity [02:08]	<Darth_Burger>	and I agreed with his reasoning [02:08]	<GreenTentacle>	I don't have a problem with the link. [02:08]	 	:) [02:09]	<GreenTentacle>	The rest looks probe-worthy. [02:09]	<IFYLOFD>	Probe, then. [02:09]	<Darth_Burger>	Can we get a vote tally on whether to include the link? [02:09]	<IFYLOFD>	I vote to remove the link. [02:10]	<Tommy9281>	I say remove also. [02:10]	<GreenTentacle>	I vote meh. [02:10]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Remove it, I suppose. [02:10]	<Darth_Burger>	I vote no link just to keep the articles synchronized. [02:10]	<Culator|Away>	Remove all links to approximate dates. [02:11]	<Tommy9281>	Not if they can be properly sourced. [02:11]	<Darth_Burger>	The vote is 5-0-1 to remove the link then. [02:11]	<Darth_Burger>	Which will be included in the probation page. [02:12]	<Darth_Burger>	Now vote tally for probe in general. [02:12]	<Darth_Burger>	I vote probe since there is info that can't be attributed to the source. [02:12]	<IFYLOFD>	Probe. [02:12]	<Tommy9281>	Probe [02:12]	<GreenTentacle>	Probe. [02:12]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Probe. [02:12]	 	I'm happy to probe if it will provde an explanation [02:12]	<Darth_Burger>	Morseerian probed. [02:13]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Flint [02:13]	<Darth_Burger>	Prepare for more reading [02:13]	<Darth_Burger>	# Flint — Speculation, editorializing in the BtS, and a few redirects. Darth Karikawill destroy your planet! 17:41, December 11, 2010 (UTC) [02:13]	<Darth_Burger>	* Per Inq Meeting 37's agreed-upon item, please provide specific examples from the text of speculation or this issue may not be considered. Also, redirects are not cause enough to place an article on probation. We encourage you to go through and fix the links yourself. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:22, December 11, 2010 (UTC) [02:13]	<Darth_Burger>	o "Whether the Jedi knew of his son or if he was a legitimate child is unknown…" [02:13]	<Darth_Burger>	o "…such as Lumiya, Galen Marek, and Tao…" [02:13]	<Darth_Burger>	+ Tao is gone now as non-canon. –Tm_T (Talk) 00:11, December 12, 2010 (UTC) [02:13]	<Darth_Burger>	o "Flint was obviously reformed during his imprisonment…" [02:13]	<Darth_Burger>	o Editorializing in the BtS, especially the first paragraph: "…it's likely that the character was made…" "It also deserves to be mentioned…" "This is notable because…" "…which makes this connection all the more interesting" "It's interesting to note that…" (twice) "This is even more interesting considering…" Darth Karikawill destroy your planet! 20:59, December 11,... [02:13]	<Darth_Burger>	...2010 (UTC) [02:13]	<Darth_Burger>	+ Thank you. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:00, December 11, 2010 (UTC) [02:13]	<Tommy9281>	Probe. [02:13]	<Darth_Burger>	Basically, speculation and a poorly worded, editorialized BTS> [02:13]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Probe. [02:13]	<Darth_Burger>	Probe [02:13]	<GreenTentacle>	Probe. [02:14]	<GreenTentacle>	Galen Marek is sourced to Star Wars 92 for one thing. [02:14]	<Darth_Burger>	heh [02:14]	 	probe [02:14]	<Darth_Burger>	Flint probed. [02:14]	<Tommy9281>	Heavens. [02:14]	<Darth_Burger>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Conan_Antonio_Motti [02:14]	<Darth_Burger>	"update tag" [02:15]	<GreenTentacle>	~ :P [02:15]	<Darth_Burger>	haha [02:15]	<Darth_Burger>	Probe [02:15]	<IFYLOFD>	Probe. [02:15]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Probe. [02:15]	<GreenTentacle>	Probe. [02:15]	 	probe [02:15]	<Darth_Burger>	Motti probed. [02:16]	<Darth_Burger>	unless anyone can spot anything else in here http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/FA_maintenance_issues that's it for that [02:16]	<GrandMoffTranner>	I have another article. [02:16]	<GreenTentacle>	Bah! [02:16]	<GrandMoffTranner>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Bane [02:16]	<Tommy9281>	? [02:16]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Currently has a redlink in the intro and infobox. More year stuff. [02:16]	<Tommy9281>	No big whoop. Easy fix. [02:17]	<Darth_Burger>	Can you fix it, Tommy? [02:17]	<Tommy9281>	Yes. Gimme a day or two. [02:17]	<Darth_Burger>	All right. We'll give you daily reminders until you do it :P [02:17]	<GreenTentacle>	Well the source is in Bane's article. [02:17]	<Tommy9281>	Lol deal. [02:17]	<GreenTentacle>	It just needs adding to the year article. [02:17]	<GreenTentacle>	Assuming it's correct, obviously. [02:18]	<Tommy9281>	I'll take care of it. [02:18]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Please do. :p [02:18]	<Darth_Burger>	I'm fine with not probing then, based on Tommy fixing it [02:18]	<GreenTentacle>	Yeah, keep. [02:19]	<GreenTentacle>	Can I go to bed now? :P [02:19]	<IFYLOFD>	Keep. [02:19]	<Tommy9281>	Word. [02:19]	<IFYLOFD>	Longest. Meeting. Ever. [02:19]	<Darth_Burger>	Darth Bane not probed. [02:19]	<IFYLOFD> [02:19]	<Darth_Burger>	I'm assuming no one has any other discussion items, except review more and save the queue from certain death. [02:20]	<Darth_Burger>	Or else we're ALL out of jobs :P [02:20]	<Tommy9281>	Lol [02:20]	<Darth_Burger>	This meeting is hereby adjourned.