Wookieepedia talk:Community Portal

Heroes and Villains
Would it be a good idea to have a Favourite Hero of the Year and a Favourite Villain of the Year? We already have Mister Star Wars 2005 and Miss Star Wars 2005. There are lots of heroes in Star Wars such as Ulic Qel-Droma, Bastila Shan, Yoda, Mace Windu, Anakin Skywalker, Luke Skywalker, Han Solo, Chewbacca, Leia Organa Solo, Anakin Solo, Jacen Solo, Jaina Solo and Kyle Katarn. There are also lots of villains such as Naga Sadow, Exar Kun, Darth Revan, Darth Malak, Darth Bane, Darth Sidious/Palpatine, Nute Gunray, Wat Tambor, Ask Aak, Passel Argente, Darth Tyranus, Darth Vader, Thrawn, Carnor Jax, Prince Xizor, Nil Spaar, Nom Anor, Tsavong Lah and Onimi. Most of these are popular among the fan community and I admire both the good and the bad guys. Is this a good idea? Should we? -- MyNz 14:54, 16 Dec 2005
 * When I made the Miss Star Wars 2005 page I was also toying with the idea of having more awards such as "Best New Character of 2005", "Best New Location of 2005", to identify or celebrate the latest and best additions to the saga. Might be fun. --Azizlight 02:11, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Both ideas are good. Hollis 01:51, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I think that sounds great! I'm definitely for it! Star War Guy 16:23 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Featured images
Should we consider adding a featured image process to Wookieepedia in the near future, similar to Wikipedia's? I'm sure we have tons of images that would fit the criteria, and in my opinion would make things a bit more interesting. --MarcK [talk] 13:54, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm certainly all for that, but let's find a solution to the featured article nomination problem first, and implement it for this, so we don't end up with low-res images of Aayla Secura every week. --Imp 14:01, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well said :p - Sikon [ Talk ] 15:25, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Liberation of Coruscant
There seems to be some significant variation on the chronlogy of the First Battle of Coruscant (Galactic Civil War). Some pages suggest it occured in 6 ABY, others that it occured in 7 ABY. The correct answer is...? --SparqMan 17:30, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I've always read that it was mid 7 ABY, since Zsinj was killed in 8 ABY. -- SFH 18:35, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * The NEC places "The Battle for Coruscant" at 6.5 - 7 ABY. jSarek 21:46, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * As in the infiltration began at 6.5 or the fleet arrival? --SparqMan 03:25, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * The section begins with the re-activation of Rogue Squadron and the capture of stepping-stone worlds like Borleias, and ends with the Ackbar wiping out Coruscant's Star Destroyer defenses and putting the planet in the hands of the New Republic. The next section, "The Krytos Virus," begins with the New Republic discovering that Ysanne Isard had fled, leaving the planet dying from the eponymous plague. jSarek 22:15, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Further timeline issues
It seems that 12 ABY and 13 ABY are fighting over the events of Darksaber. Any definitive source on this? --SparqMan 18:33, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * "The Darksaber Threat" and "Admiral Daala Returns" are both pegged at 12 ABY by The New Essential Chronology. jSarek 21:43, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Oh no! They stole it all!
http://encyclopedia.wizards.pro/index.php/Catalogue_of_Celestial_Bodies - try clicking planets at random... start with well-known ones to get the idea...

I know they can copy articles verbatim, since they are also GFDL, but I thought they should at least have given us attribution. - Sikon [ Talk ] 15:25, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * That's a really strange wiki. They've copied everything from here... even our user accounts. --Imp 20:15, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * IIRC, the GFDL requires that a copy be accompanied by the history of the original and where it was copied from. Angela may be the best person to contact with related GFDL concerns. --SparqMan 21:31, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I've just made a note on that page that the content at the articles it linked to was originally copied from this wiki. Adamwankenobi 22:59, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm..discussion pages and all! Looks like they just grabbed a backup and restored it to their server.  And, yes, they're supposed to credit who all contributed to the articles, just like we're supposed to credit Wikipedians if we grab an article from there.  WhiteBoy 22:19, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Animated GIFs?
Are they not allowed under fairuse? or are they just plain illegal? Razzy1319 01:24, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia seems to be fine with them. --MarcK [talk] 01:30, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * There's a conflict between Wikipedians over the use of things like animated GIFs. Some suggest that because the Internet allows their use, they should be used where they can enhance an article. Others contend that they are unencyclopedic in nature and should be avoided. --SparqMan 02:38, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I think they're usually annoying, and I can't really think of a situation where they would add something to the article. Some kind of Flash application to get a 360 view of ship or some other kind of infographic thing that can be controlled by the user, maybe. But random animation? No. --Dark Spork 04:42, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well the ones that are uploaded arent random. They show important events that add to the information. rather than a picture of a random frame that needs further explanation the animated GIFs provide a more thorough detailing than a few words can dexcribe. --Razzy1319 17:25, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Wikicities tour
How about joining the Wikicities Tour? - Sikon [ Talk ] 10:58, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Sure why not. And at the same time, people can actually learn how to contribute in the correct formats. -- Riffsyphon1024 11:03, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)

So, here is the order in which the pages go:


 * Starting page
 * Main Page
 * About us
 * Welcome, newcomers!
 * Star Wars
 * End (unlinked now)
 * End (unlinked now)

As I understand, subsequent pages are meant to show sample articles on the wiki. I'll leave it to the others to decide which articles should be shown in the tour. I think they should include not only featured articles (definitely Palpatine %), perhaps one or two more), but maybe one or two small articles on obscure topics. Just to give an impression about how this is different from Wikipedia. - Sikon [ Talk ] 12:22, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Our main difference is the fact that we have many more obscure things here. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:35, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Pronunciations
Can someone take Leland Chee's list of pronunciations and put them into appropriate articles using IPA? Not being a native English speaker, I find it somewhat difficult to convert the notation. (I hope the new pronounced template will help.) - Sikon [ Talk ] 09:47, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * The IPA characters still don't render properly for me, so I probably shouldn't take that task. --SparqMan 11:32, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Series names in book titles
We are inconsistent in our use of series names in the listing of book titles in article names and links. Example: for the MedStar duology, we use the series name in the book title, but not in the Black Fleet Crisis or Corellian Trilogy. Avoiding the use makes for quicker link typing, but less context to a user/reader without an encyclopedic knowledge of book titles. I wouldn't mind seeing the series names integrated. Thoughts from the masses? --SparqMan 16:14, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree. We also need to consider books in an overarching series, like New Jedi Order or Clone Wars series. For example, i think The New Jedi Order: Force Heretic II: Refugee is a little too tedious. Then again, maybe not... --Azizlight 22:00, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Seems to me that the series should be in the title of the article... even if it's long and tedious (which I agree it is). WhiteBoy 22:24, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I think we ought to follow the title conventions seen in existing SW books with bibliographies, in which it seems that series names are omitted but "subseries" names are included. Thus, the New Essential Guide to Characters cites Michael Stackpole's first NJO book as Dark Tide: Onslaught, not Onslaught or The New Jedi Order: Dark Tide: Onslaught. jSarek 09:31, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Collecting members' locations via Frappr
I enjoy Riffsyphon1024's idea of showing the Wookieepedians' locations on a map, but there is a method of assembling such a map automagically: Frappr. http://www.frappr.com/wookieepedia Adding yourself to the map is very easy. If someone else (a Wookieepedia admin, perhaps) wants to administer it, post your email address and I will mail you the password. - Sikon [ Talk ] 16:50, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we used that for all of the members at originaltrilogy.com a while back. Not only does it allow your name and location, but you also can upload a picture of yourself or an avatar of yourself and leave a "shout-out." I support the idea as well. General Kenobi 17:52, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * Sounds like a good idea! Xwing328 22:15, 26 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Image Issues
Can some please upload images for the articles on books from the Junior Jedi Knights and the Young Jedi Knights series? Though I'm not really a fan of these books, I think its a disgrace that we don't even have images for the articles on the books. I also notice that while the articles on Jacen and Jaina have pictures from their childhood: that is the YJK. The Anakin Solo article has none from the JJK.

There's a link that contains a picture of Anakin Solo from Vader's Fortress. Can someone please sort this problem out by uploading this image to the article? Can someone also please upload images for the articles on the books from the YJK and JJK. MyNz 8:44 27 Dec 2005


 * Not to be rude or anything, but what's stopping you from uploading that image yourself? The great thing about a wiki is that anyone can fix it up. If you find an (official) image on the web like the one you just found, and you think it will enhance an article, you can upload it and add it to the article yourself. There's no need to tell us to do it when you could do it yourself. StarNeptune 23:00, 26 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * When I get home tonight, I'll add the book covers for the series.
 * The pics for the books are up now. Xwing328 01:25, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * The reason why I am not able unload a picture is because I don't know how to. That's the truth despite being good at writing articles and lists, and being good at words.MyNz 21:39 27 Dec 2005

WTF?
May I ask why the hell our featured article of the week is one that has a cleanup tag?? That's a little embarassing, and makes a mockery of the whole Featured Article selection process. --Azizlight 02:08, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * ~sigh~ I wanted to set some ground rules for the selection of these things, but apparently the fanboys don't want to hear it... StarNeptune 02:21, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It wasn't a fanboy, it was Kuralyov. He mentioned that there was something about there being a separate bio still in there. -- SFH 02:30, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * All of these problems should be well-addressed before something is ever a featured article. What we need is a peer review process, so that articles can (hopefully) be looked at objectively by a wide range of editors (aka those like Kuralyox) who are not the "fanboy" types, so that all of these problems can be addressed. Putting up articles that are unorganized, incomplete, etc., may end up giving this wiki a bad name. This has been a constant concern of mine here. Our FA process needs to be similar (though not quite as strict) as Wikipedia, IMHO. General Kenobi 05:31, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't say that the article requires the cleanup tag. The section dealing with Kyle's changing character separate from his biography is just a different way of handling the article (as we lack standards on that stuff yet). Peer review isn't the answer, a shift away from voting is. Nominated articles that meet the requirements should be objected to, not voted for. --SparqMan 06:09, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Consensus track
Hi there folks. There are a few important new or stalled discussions going on over at Consensus track. Please take a moment to read, ponder and discuss. It's important to the wiki. --SparqMan 06:31, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * More specifically, comment on the featured article ground rules and criteria discussions, because we need an official solution to this featured article problem as soon as possible. --MarcK [talk] 10:53, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Young Jedi Knights Book Template
I recreated the Template for the Young Jedi Knights series in order to incorporate the different story arcs. This is the original:

This is my new one:

I'd like an opinion of whether or not the original should be changed. Thanks. Xwing328 18:43, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC) I really like it! Padme829 15:06, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)Padme829
 * It is far too large. I think the old one was fine until we revamp all book series templates. --SparqMan 18:00, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)

The Swarm War spoilers
Please remember to place spoiler when adding new material from The Swarm War. We have no set policy on spoilers, which is why we need your participation on the Consensus Track page for spoilers. Thanks. --SparqMan 18:02, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * But on that topic...I'm a little disappointed in the slow pace of TSW material being added. I'll blame the holidays. --SparqMan 20:34, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Announcing Wookieenews!
In case you haven't noticed, I've changed the Current Events section to Wookieenews. The concept that Riff and I have in mind is anything news-worthy that's of interest to this site: Star Wars, Wookieepedia, wiki technology, etc. I like how Riff put it: "I want to see what's happening in the world of Star Wars right now. If there's a story on two fans electrocuting themselves with Force FX lightsabers, I want to see it on here with appropriate links to news articles elsewhere. Ongoing events, news of cast members, etc."

So here's a call out to all you journalists out there...we need stories! :) WhiteBoy 09:22, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Vanity images
As of late there has been a rapid expansion of "vanity" images uploaded for use on user pages. I find this use of Wookieepedia's database inappropriate. We're not stressed for space, but this is not the place for them. Vanity images should be hosted offsite. Thoughts? I don't expect support for this from users of them. --SparqMan 02:21, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, no...Can we at least have one, though, if it's small? (And what do I mean by small?) Wikipedia's policy seems to allow a few images on userpages, and several Memory Alpha user pages have pictures as well. &mdash; Silly Dan  02:34, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I think 1 or 2 images per user is okay... as long as it doesn't seem to be exploitative of Wookieepedia's space. Perhaps user images over 100K in size should be removed or resized. --Azizlight 02:41, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * A good suggestion. Perhaps we can tag images that are uploaded for vanity purposes to make it easier to keep track of them. --SparqMan 03:09, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * C'mon man. We've been here forever, and its about time I spruced mine up. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:42, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you suggesting special priviledges for seniority? --SparqMan 03:09, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * If it makes you any happier, I deleted one I didn't need, and resized another. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:18, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I wanted to put one up also, and had for a time, but removed it when requested. I personally do not think it will hurt if we put up personal images, and if it makes people happier, so much the better. --Xwing328 03:28, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeh what's wrong with sprucing up Userpages? Its not causing any trouble!--Darth Mantus 20:16, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Nothing is wrong with sprucing them up, but our database space should be used for uploading images that will improve articles. If you want to include an image that is already uploaded to decorate your user page, go for it, but uploading images for the express use on your user page is pure vanity. --SparqMan 07:56, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Vanity or not, user pictures are nice and should be uploaded freely. --Master Starkeiller 11:37, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Any examples we can look at for what you consider abuse? I agree that we need to use our space judiciously, especially considering that this site is hosted on someone else's servers for no charge.  WhiteBoy 00:11, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Here are a few: Image:Steve-vader1.JPG, Image:Wookieestress1.JPG, Image:Motti2.JPG, Image:StarkeillerEmp.jpg, Image:Palpy Rich And Famous.JPG, Image:Palpy Slurrp.jpg, Image:Palpy Face.jpg, Image:Vader V.jpg, Image:Autograph.jpg, Image:Lumpy-HS.jpg, Image:Lumpy2 1024x768.jpg, Image:Han 125x110 animated.gif. Those are from a few users who were at the top of the recent changes page. --SparqMan 00:57, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Even if every user uploaded let's say ten pictures for his own use, the number would be insignificant compared to the number of pictures uploaded for articles. You will see that we are using our space judiciously if you compare the number of "useful" images to the number of "vanity" images. They're just too few to "pose a threat". --Master Starkeiller 11:50, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Allow me to expand this. What else will we allow? Hundreds of temp pages for us as a personal blog? Pages for fan fiction? The point is that our space here should be used for the encyclopedic enhancement of Wookieepedia, not for the decoration of user pages. --SparqMan 19:33, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Allow me to expand. Now I don't mean to be rude, but a line must be drawn. Can you seriously continue to think that a few user images will spoil the point of this wiki? Wikipedia already had this discussion and the users won, simply because no matter what you do, people will always want to be creative. I agree that Animated GIFs have no place here, but static images have no threat. It's called personality, you do have some yourself don't you? I think I have a right considering I was the second user here, and this infringes upon my personal space. Special priviledges for seniority? You bet. Now I remember users with about 4 dozen images on them, they were banished for it, clearly for a violation of space-wasting even in their personal space, but just a few images for us? Of the personal images I have spread throughout the wiki, it is roughly a total of 10, 15 if you want to count other creations made for the wiki's purpose to help the users, but they are not causing a problem. I'm not being vain. Hell I don't even like myself that much, but someone thinks I'm important. Go ahead and delete my own article if you think I'm not worthy enough to have one, if its just wasting space, and everyone elses at that. You don't want an awards system because it will waste space? Or any userboxes that take up template space? Suppose we should eliminate all the galleries? What's the point then? Hey, if you don't like subpages, I'll delete those as best I can, yet I say we are not running out of space here. Aren't we going to reach 50,000 articles to compete with CUSWE? Don't we have the capabilities of holding that much, or did someone not prepare for this? I urge you, do not mess with the Wookieestress. You'll want to know what mood I'm in sometimes. -- Riffsyphon1024 20:21, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Riffs, a discussion about what special privileges you deserve as a venerable member should be held elsewhere, but bringing it up supports the need for discussion. A new user shows up and uploads a bunch of goofy images for his user page, so an admin deletes them. At what point is that user allowed to upload vanity images? How many? I'm not suggesting that we set a solid number, just looking to gauge the community feel on the matter. Please don't resort to insulting my personality or comparing us to Wikipedia&mdash;neither are valid arguments. So far the most reasonable thing seems to be limiting the file size and tagging them as vanity images. That way if we are crunched for space, or decide to clear them out later, we can do so easily. --SparqMan 21:46, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Can't we just make a rule limiting the size (as in height/length) "vanity images" are displayed on user pages? They take up considerably less space when resized a little... --Imp 20:32, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you mean resizing the actual image or just controlling its rendering with MediaWiki?
 * Well said, Riffsyphon, and I agree with Sparqman. Allowing user images with a size limit sounds good. It might be tough to enforce though. --Xwing328 21:54, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * *sigh* Alright, we'll have our discussion tonight. I can resize them no problem, but I just didn't want to make sacrifices by completely removing them. -- Riffsyphon1024 14:22, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I mean resizing the actual image. And Xwing, how ever could you mix me with Sparq? :P --Imp 14:33, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)

From Wikipedia...
It's an old one, but still... From Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Darth Sion:


 * The article is entirely written as if Sion's story is an absolute narrative that a player passively observes and cannot affect. "He would later duel with the Exile on Korriban, and defeat him, but the Exile would escape."  I only learned from reading another article (not this one) that the "Exile" is the player character.  So does the quoted sentence mean that the player has no choice but to duel with Sion on Korriban and will inevitably escape no matter what he does?  It doesn't say "if the player survives past level 3..." or "if the player decides to go to Korriban, he will be attacked by..."  And does that sentence mean that the player is incapable of defeating him, no matter what?  Why?  It doesn't say "the game designers made Sion impossible to defeat," it just states that the player is defeated.  For all a reader of the article knows, it's just because no one who wrote the article was good enough to defeat Sion at that point in the game.  Yet somehow the player is destined to escape; does Sion always refrain from delivering a fatal blow?  What if the player decides to remain there until one of them dies?  Is the player swept away to safety against his will?  The entire article is written like this ("the Exile was forced to use his powers of persuasion to turn Sion against his own beliefs"), without any acknowledgement that a real human player interacts with this character and becomes involved with the story, which is instead described as if it were merely a self-contained narrative.  The entire article is nonencyclopedic fancruft writing, written simply to satisfy fans who want to know the complete fictional history of the fictional Star Wars universe, rather than to portray facts about how a fictional character was created, how the fictional work portrays him and his relationship to it, how he is experienced/encountered by the consumer/audience, and what that audience thinks about him.  The article needs more than just a couple style tweaks; it needs a complete rewrite.  Postdlf 18:22, 23 July 2005 (UTC)

- Sikon [ Talk ] 07:45, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, what? -- Riffsyphon1024 07:54, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Guys that that dude take all the fun out of life. :( General Kenobi 12:13, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)

First meeting - Saturday, Jan 7th
OK, this has been in the works for a while, but now it's official. :) We're going to have a little meeting among us Wookieepedians to discuss a few things.  Here's the time and place:


 * Jabber (XMPP) conference (wookieepedia@conference.jabber.org) @ 8PM EST on Saturday, Jan 7, 2006 

If you're not familiar with XMPP (formerly Jabber), here's a few things that will help you get started.
 * If you use Windows, I recommend Exodus (http://exodus.jabberstudio.org) for a Jabber client. I use this all the time for all my IM, and it works.  I can walk you through this, if needed.
 * For Linux, Gaim (http://gaim.sourceforge.net). I haven't had a chance to test this yet.  Can someone test it and let me know?
 * For Mac, iChat is supposed to work with it or maybe try Gush (http://2entwine.com/). Does anyone have access to a Mac so you can test it?
 * If you don't like any of these, here's a whole list of Jabber clients.

If you've not used any of these before, I recommend getting it setup and connecting to the chat room beforehand. If you need any help, check out this user guide or drop me a line. Hopefully everyone will enjoy this meeting, and we might make this a regular thing. :) WhiteBoy 00:28, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * The pre-party has begun already! --Imp 17:20, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * The meeting has started. Get on Jabber immediately if you wish to participate. --Imp 01:19, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Other timezones

 * 2 AM Sunday January 8, 2006 in Oslo, Norway. --Imp 14:35, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * 12pm (midday) Sunday January 8, 2006 in Sydney, Australia. --Azizlight 01:02, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

For Wikipedia
If you encounter an article on Wikipedia that uses content from Wookieepedia, please do the following:
 * 1) Search through the edit history to find the first edit that used Wookieepedia content. Copy the edit id (found at the end of the edit url after "oldid=").
 * 2) On the talk page, place the Wookieepedia template at the top of the page. The first field should be the name of the article on Wookieepedia (note that many Star Wars related articles on Wikipedia use the common name, not the accurate canon name). Be sure to use an underscore where a space occurs ("Death_Star", not "Death Star"). The second field should be the edit id that you copied earlier.
 * 3) Voila.

So if the edit id was 340706 and the article title here was "Clone Wars", you would place this:.

I created this template after noticing a number of Star Wars articles using Wookieepedia text without giving credit as is required by the GFDL. See it in use at Wikipedia:Talk:Crix Madine. If you have any questions, just drop me a note. --SparqMan 09:37, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I see now. Good idea, though I wonder if Wikipedia will actually want to keep it. You might want to change that link to Wikipedia:Talk: Crix Madine though, since it took me a minute to find it. -- Riffsyphon1024 10:54, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Domain name
When will the domain name of this wiki be changed from "Star Wars" to "Wookieepedia?" General Kenobi 10:11, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Categozing Images?
So that we minimize duplicates. although its not a problem now, it might grow some day... grouping them in galleries is good too. Dont know if thats bad for page numbers though. And is it possible to put a link to the various galleries on the upload page? --23:20, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * There are actually several image categories, it's just that people are too lazy to put tags on them half the time. --MarcK [talk] 11:19, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Featured
Wookieepedia is now a Featured Wikicity, so you can all stop voting now. I'm not really that familiar with this wikicity, nor am I really that much of a Star Wars fan (sorry fellas), so someone might want to look over the blurb I wrote, and fix it up and change/add whatever details are necessary. Also, I don't know if you want to put something on the main page or not, but the option is always there.--Tim Thomason 11:16, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)

How do you download Images onto articles?
I would like to do know how do you download images onto articles. My History of Star Wars article desperatly needs some. Star Wars Guy 13:38, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Press the "Upload file" button in the "Toolbox" section right below the Google search bar to the right of your screen. And remember, it's not your article. --Imp 13:42, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Changing article titles?
Is there anyway to change the title of an article? I ask because Polvin Kut (from the Tales story 'The One Below')has been incorrectly spelt as Plovin Kut, and I would like to alter this. KastMorben 17:35, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed there is, simply press the "move" button on the top of the page and send it to its new location. --Imp 17:37, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Noticeboard?
Is there any kind of noticeboard page on the Wookieepedia? Basically where we can post notices and reminders to other users? In particular, to point out any mistakes frequently made across the Wiki (e.g. common misspellings, misconceptions, erroneous facts, known fanon info etc)? - Kwenn 19:01, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, not really, although there is Requests. I suppose a noticeboard is a pretty good idea. --Imp 21:38, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Isn't that what this is? --SparqMan 23:40, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * How about an offshoot, like Wookieepedia talk:Community Portal/Noticeboard, solely for notices, rather than discussions - Kwenn 14:32, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Or we could tack it on to the existing Community Portal page, where I think it would be far more likely to be seen by casual users. jSarek 21:17, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Fan Art
Almost put this in Consensus Track, but I figured it'd be better suited to a general discussion for now.

Maybe there was already a big debate about this and I missed it, but I don't think the rules against fan art need to be so strict. Obviously we don't want the site to be filled with garbage, but if a decent fan-made picture fills a void that official pictures can't, I don't think it's that big of an problem. I imagine the issue is that if a fan did it, it's not a canonical representation, but some things are pretty straightforward. I've already seen one fan alteration (I changed Rokur Gepta's robes from red to grey to fix a mistake in his NEGtC image) that no one had a problem with, so it's not completely unprecedented. Another one I did was the original image for the Errant Venture. I took a photo of an ISD and made it red; and it served the purposes of the article just fine until an official image was found. If we know for a fact that something looks like the image in question, why does it matter who put pen to paper (or pixel to screen)?

Aside from the fan alteration issue, there are a lot of characters (and ships, events, and so on) that have official images, but they aren't clear, or colored, or whatever (I'm thinking particularly of many old RPG and EG images here). Given an official version to work from, would it really be so bad to replace a small, crappy image with a big, nice-looking one, done by a fan of sufficient skill? CooperTFN 02:39, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with this: a little fan art wouldn't hurt where there would otherwise be a really crappy image, or no image at all. But we should come up with some sort of symbol that we should put on all fan art images, to make it obvious that it is an unnofficial image. Which might mean that all fan art submitted would need to be resubmitted by someone else with the symbol applied. I would be willing to assist in this process. --Azizlight 02:54, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I was thinking the same thing. Maybe there could be some kind of thumbnail template or something, rather than having to alter each image. CooperTFN 03:43, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. Fan Art wouldn't be too bad for articles that only have black and white or blurred images.  The only thing is, there has to be a rule put into the upload page that informs users this who think "Oh I want to recreate my favorite EU scene for the wiki" that we can't have a picture for every EU moment.  It should be strictly for replacing images that are black and white, blurry, or for characters that have no image. DarthMaul431 03:15, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should rule events, or anything, out entirely. It should all be handled on a case-by-case basis; a lot of major EU battles, for example, don't have pictures, and if something was really of top-notch quality, it should at least get a hearing. CooperTFN 03:43, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Fan art is visual fanon. So no. --Imp 03:44, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * My concern, and what I think Imp's as well, is that it would create a dangerous precedent. Would we have some way of controlling it, other than admin fiat? Remember, once the floodgates are opened, it's hard to close them again. QuentinGeorge 04:17, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * In my mind, it would only even be an option for work that was at least as good as the official stuff. While allowing fan art in theory could lead to the occasional use of something like this, it would be taken down immediately. Hardly a huge problem. CooperTFN 04:38, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't have a problem with altered official images, like the ones I've been upping, but original fanart just strikes me as unnecessary, even if it is close to what the description is. It creates too much confusion.
 * EDIT: Thing is, Coop, even if it looks as good or better than the official stuff, it's still not official. I think official-only that's what the wiki's aiming for.-- 000 04:39, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmm... it might cause more problems that it's worth though. I might just sit on the fence for this one. --Azizlight 05:10, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I sometimes think that even what I do, cutting out scan backgrounds and re-rendering game files, is pushing the limits of what's acceptable here. I can already foresee terrible consequences if we allow original art to be posted. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  06:35, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Online meetings
Dunno about y'all, but I think our first meeting went well. :) (You can see a transcript if you missed it.)  I still had several topics that we didn't get to, and I'm sure others had some too.  So I vote we do this again.  How about trying a different time?  I don't know for sure, but I figure some people may actually have a social life on Saturday nights. :p  So how about our next meeting be Monday, January 16, 2006 @ 8PM EST?  WhiteBoy 03:36, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Us have a social life? Are you kidding? ;) -- Riffsyphon1024 04:22, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I could do a Monday. Also, since you're using my logo now (yay!) I just wanna check and make sure you uploaded it to this server? I can't tell from right-click (grr) and while I figure you did, just need to make sure in case my server guy decides to kill me in the middle of the night. Dark Spork 04:29, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, I think you uploaded/linked the wrong one - this exact variation was the first with the logofont, while the second is the one with all the votes. ;) And do you need a png? I can make a fresh one from the original PSD. Dark Spork 04:45, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I copied it to this server, not linking to your server. And yes, if you can give me a PNG from the original, that'd be great.  Thanks again!  WhiteBoy 04:48, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Awesome. I'll get the PNG to you tomorrow. And I love seeing it up there, so thank you! :D Dark Spork 04:52, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Apologies to all, I meant to be there, but family emergency came up. I'll be at the next one, by Kadann's beard and K'Krukh's hat! - QuentinGeorge 08:55, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * And by Katarn's Frickin' Sweet Shoulder Pad of Holding! ;-) jSarek 11:31, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry I couldn't make it; prior out-of-town plans took precedence (that social life thing you were just talking about ;-) ). But I should be able to do 16JAN06, 8pm EST / 5pm PST, so long as the meeting doesn't go over about two hours or so. jSarek 11:31, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I may or may not be able to make the meeting on Monday...it depends on if I am working that day, and if I am, if I will be off by 9 PM AST. So if I am working, don't be surprised if I show up a little late. StarNeptune 11:48, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Sources and Appearances tables
Just playing around with perhaps a new way to display appearances and sources in a more informative and neater way, check out a sample at User:Azizlight/Sandpit and share your opinion here. Note that it's all hard-coded for now, but when we create the appropriate templates it will be simple to use. --Azizlight 13:10, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey that looks good, but won't 'Sources' and 'Appearances' suffice in stead of 'Name of X'? KEJ 13:27, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, i'll change it now. Thanks. --Azizlight 13:30, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Aw man, it seems like we just settled on an easy way to list sources and appearances, and now you've got a better looking but more complicated system? We're never going to get Joe Anon to use tables... &mdash; Silly Dan 13:37, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I like it. It is certainly more organized! And the anons? Eh, they'll learn if they're realy interested in the wiki. Adamwankenobi 13:43, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * If they're really interested, they'll register. KEJ 13:45, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Joe Anon Shmanon :-) Wookieepedians like me exist to fix the little things like that :-D --Azizlight 13:49, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Because, of course, making it more difficult to write a properly-formatted article is exactly what will attract new users? Look, I'm all for simple ways to make the articles here look nicer or more informative, but your average new user, anonymous or not, doesn't know templates or tables, and might get turned off by having to learn immediately (and the sources/appearances sections are important enough that you have to learn how they work quickly.)  &mdash; Silly Dan  14:55, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Is there any way of inserting the first-mention tag whithout making it look messy? KEJ 14:25, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, by putting it in the "Notability" column i think. --Azizlight 14:34, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Very nice. Complicated, yes, but very practical and nice-looking. --Master Starkeiller 14:42, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * It's pretty but the neatness would be shattered by characters with more complex appearances that cannot be explained in a dozen words or less. Also, I'm not sure that this is any more functional than just deciding to add footnotes, parenthetical or source-attached citations, and certainly more complex to use. --SparqMan 18:56, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I for once have to reject this form of box. It's too large and complicated. -- Riffsyphon1024 21:21, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * My opinion hasn't changed since December 30 - "It might be nice, but I think it's a *lot* of extra work. It's hard enough to get users to cite their sources as it is, let alone template them out and explain their notability." jSarek 21:24, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, looks like consensus says no, sorry for wasting your time :-) Thanks for all the feedback. --Azizlight 22:45, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * It wasn't a waste of time. It seems like a good idea...just too complicated for the general masses at this time. --Xwing328 22:52, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Dramatis Personae
Should a list of all characters be featured in book, comic, videogame, etc. articles? This may be informative for some people. DarthMaul431 23:11, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)