Wookieepedia:Requests for removal of user rights/Sikon IRC log

jan 20 17:12:19 	Morning. jan 20 17:12:26 	Hello Imp jan 20 17:12:27 	rar jan 20 17:12:30 	Good morning jan 20 17:12:31 	Who removed the 2.1: Page Created from the drop-down list? jan 20 17:13:01 	Jedi_Goodwood: first things first... candy... :P jan 20 17:13:07 	;) jan 20 17:13:08 	Fine. jan 20 17:13:19 *	Jedi_Goodwood tosses Jedimca0 a bag of peppermint humbugs. jan 20 17:13:27 	O_o jan 20 17:13:29 	XD jan 20 17:14:01 	Sikon did. jan 20 17:14:08 	But GT readded it. jan 20 17:14:14 	Just purge your cache. jan 20 17:14:15 	It's pointless. jan 20 17:14:19 *	Jedi_Goodwood puts his left boot up Sikon's arse. jan 20 17:14:36 	Jedi_Goodwood> MediaWiki now automatically inserts "Created page with...." jan 20 17:14:41 *	Madclaw (n=565f451d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-fae458e77ea1e72f) has left #wookieepedia jan 20 17:14:44 	and it's WAY more useful than just "Page created" jan 20 17:14:48 <LucidFox>	which is, really, useless jan 20 17:16:14 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Did you just remove it again, Sikon? jan 20 17:16:20 <LucidFox>	no jan 20 17:16:27 <LucidFox>	but I'm going to jan 20 17:16:36 <LucidFox>	seriously, just leave it blank jan 20 17:16:43 <LucidFox>	MediaWiki will insert everything automatically jan 20 17:16:45 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Dude, just leave it there. jan 20 17:16:58 <Jedi_Goodwood>	It clogs up the RC when you leave it blank. jan 20 17:17:06 <Jedimca0>	some people like to use it jan 20 17:17:10 <LucidFox>	I don't care. jan 20 17:17:14 <Jedimca0>	a lot of people use it... jan 20 17:17:15 <LucidFox>	I implemented that feature. jan 20 17:17:20 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Well, you don't own this wiki, Mr. Sikon. jan 20 17:17:24 <LucidFox>	I added the "Page created" line. jan 20 17:17:32 <Jedimca0>	that does not mean you can just decide to change it... jan 20 17:17:39 <LucidFox>	And I'm not glad I did. jan 20 17:17:55 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Per Jed, you can't just change these things unilaterally. jan 20 17:17:58 <LucidFox>	It's more informative if you leave it blank. jan 20 17:18:26 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Edit summaries exist for a reason. If they want to know more they can click the damn link. jan 20 17:18:37 <LucidFox>	Edit summaries exist to be informative. jan 20 17:19:07 <LucidFox>	I shouldn't have added the Page created entry to begin with, it conveys ZERO information. jan 20 17:19:10 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Informative without clogging the RCs. jan 20 17:19:18 <LucidFox>	Clogging, shlogging jan 20 17:19:29 <LucidFox>	How exactly does it clog the RC? jan 20 17:19:46 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Check it and see. It adds a bunch of excess text. jan 20 17:19:57 <Jedimca0>	indeed jan 20 17:20:02 <LucidFox>	It adds useful text. jan 20 17:20:09 <Jedi_Goodwood>	LOL! Some anon just made "Pizza". jan 20 17:20:17 <LucidFox>	That allows one to see quickly what the article contains. jan 20 17:20:52 <LucidFox>	It was added by MediaWiki developers for a reason. jan 20 17:21:17 <Jedi_Goodwood>	I will say again, you cannot simply remove vital bits of the operation of this wiki on your personal whim. jan 20 17:21:21 <LucidFox>	If anything, it only HELPS with RC patrol. jan 20 17:21:40 <LucidFox>	Jedi_Goodwood> And you don't agree just because the change comes from me. jan 20 17:21:40 <Jedi_Goodwood>	You're rationalizing. jan 20 17:21:51 <LucidFox>	Rationalizing what? jan 20 17:21:57 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Absolutely not and you're an idiot for insinuating that. jan 20 17:21:58 <LucidFox>	That's my INITIAL rationale for removing it jan 20 17:22:06 <LucidFox>	!boot Jedi_Goodwood watch your language jan 20 17:22:07 *	Jedi_Goodwood (i=chatzill@c-24-11-69-132.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has left #wookieepedia (requested by Nuku-Nuku: "watch your language") jan 20 17:22:15 *	Jedi_Goodwood (i=chatzill@c-24-11-69-132.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) has joined #wookieepedia jan 20 17:22:15 *	Nuku-Nuku gives voice to Jedi_Goodwood jan 20 17:22:34 <Jedimca0>	for vandalism yes... but most of those pages can be recognized by just looking at the title too... jan 20 17:23:04 <Jedi_Goodwood>	You know Sikon, booting me won't help your cause. jan 20 17:23:18 <LucidFox>	Jedi_Goodwood> Calling me names won't help yours. jan 20 17:23:30 <LucidFox>	Jedimca0> It shouldn't affect your ability to quickly scan the RC. But if you need extra information, it's there. jan 20 17:23:32 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Nor will engaging in logical fallacies help yours. jan 20 17:23:42 <LucidFox>	I'm not engaging in logical fallacies. jan 20 17:23:51 <LucidFox>	I'm providing sensible arguments for the change. jan 20 17:23:59 <LucidFox>	You're opposing it just because it's coming from me. jan 20 17:24:01 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Yes you are. You stated that I opposed your action simply because it came from you. jan 20 17:24:12 <LucidFox>	Yes, I suspect that. jan 20 17:24:15 <Jedi_Goodwood>	I'm not opposing it because it came from you. I would have booted anyone who did it. jan 20 17:24:33 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Enough of this red herring. jan 20 17:24:58 <Jedimca0>	LucidFox: that's not true... we like the 2.1 option... I don't care who "did it" jan 20 17:25:09 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Per Jedi. jan 20 17:25:14 <LucidFox>	It hurts usability. jan 20 17:25:20 <Jedi_Goodwood>	LOL! jan 20 17:25:22 <Jedi_Goodwood>	How? jan 20 17:25:25 <LucidFox>	I'm being serious. jan 20 17:25:31 <LucidFox>	It shouldn't exist. jan 20 17:25:39 <Jedi_Goodwood>	How does it hurt usability? And don't make it simply your opinion. jan 20 17:25:40 <LucidFox>	Its very existence hinders the usefulness of edit summaries. jan 20 17:26:03 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Again, how does it hurt usability? jan 20 17:26:06 <LucidFox>	When the FIRST edit summary ever states "Page created", it's completely, utterly pointless. jan 20 17:26:25 <Jedimca0>	that's your opinion jan 20 17:26:26 <LucidFox>	Previously, I added it to allow the summary to contain at least something rather than just it being blank jan 20 17:26:28 <Jedi_Goodwood>	That's your opinion. The link to the new article is there. jan 20 17:26:48 <LucidFox>	Now it's no longer the case. jan 20 17:27:31 <LucidFox>	Did you two ever design user interfaces? jan 20 17:27:39 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Did you also reword the "Updated with new information" one too? Because as it is now is just fanwank. jan 20 17:27:59 <LucidFox>	Jedi_Goodwood> I reworded it for clarity. jan 20 17:28:17 <LucidFox>	Because people abused it for unintended purposes. jan 20 17:28:20 <Jedi_Goodwood>	"Updated with newly-revealed information" - yeah, that's clear alright. jan 20 17:28:27 <LucidFox>	I can change revealed to released jan 20 17:28:43 <Jedimca0>	released would sound better... jan 20 17:28:47 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Or you can put things back the way they were before you started your whimsical tampering. jan 20 17:28:48 <Imperialles>	No... jan 20 17:29:02 <LucidFox>	Jedi_Goodwood> It's NOT whimsical; tampering. jan 20 17:29:09 <LucidFox>	It's WHAT I ORIGINALLY MEANT, by gosh. jan 20 17:29:13 <Jedi_Goodwood>	You're doing it on a whim. jan 20 17:29:15 <LucidFox>	when I added that entry in the first place. jan 20 17:29:23 <Jedi_Goodwood>	And how long ago was this? jan 20 17:29:26 <Imperialles>	Updated with new information can apply to all updates, from both new and old material. jan 20 17:29:37 <Jedimca0>	per Imperialles jan 20 17:29:38 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Per Imperialles. jan 20 17:30:02 <LucidFox>	There are other entries for updating with old information jan 20 17:30:08 <Imperialles>	Why? jan 20 17:30:13 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Sikon, this is the same crap you pulled when you changed the Votes for Deletion into the Trash Compactor. jan 20 17:30:16 <LucidFox>	namely, expansion and factual correction jan 20 17:30:17 <Jedimca0>	"new information" should mean adding information that wasn't in the article already. jan 20 17:30:25 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Per Jedi. jan 20 17:30:29 <LucidFox>	I'm saying what I originally meant. jan 20 17:30:41 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Well too bad. Take it to the community to see what they think. jan 20 17:30:43 <LucidFox>	I'm really tempted to just disable the summaries feature. jan 20 17:30:55 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Oooh, that'll really get you in trouble. jan 20 17:31:01 <LucidFox>	I don't care. jan 20 17:31:06 <LucidFox>	In fact, I might leave right now. jan 20 17:31:06 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Rather. jan 20 17:31:09 <LucidFox>	And never return. jan 20 17:31:10 <LucidFox>	Ciao! jan 20 17:31:12 *	LucidFox (n=sikon@wikia/Sikon) has left #wookieepedia ("Huh?") jan 20 17:31:12 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Bye. jan 20 17:31:19 <Imperialles>	Jesus fucking Christ. jan 20 17:31:21 <Jedimca0>	what you originally meant and what the community thinks about it now are two different things. jan 20 17:31:27 <Jedimca0>	he left? O_O jan 20 17:31:28 <Jedi_Goodwood>	He's gone. jan 20 17:31:30 *	Imperialles sets mode -e Imperialles jan 20 17:31:30 *	You are now known as Imp|zzz jan 20 17:31:31 *	services. sets mode +e Imp|zzz jan 20 17:31:39 <Jedimca0>	back to other things... jan 20 17:31:44 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Yeah. jan 20 17:31:49 <Jedimca0>	Imp|zzz: you still here? jan 20 17:31:54 <Imp|zzz>	Yep. jan 20 17:32:16 <Jedimca0>	January 20 today... jan 20 17:32:24 <Jedimca0>	*its jan 20 17:32:30 <Imp|zzz>	Ah, indeed. jan 20 17:32:35 <Imp|zzz>	Time to veto. jan 20 17:32:42 <Jedi_Goodwood>	lol jan 20 17:32:54 <Jedi_Goodwood>	He likes his jokes, Imperialles. jan 20 17:33:00 <Jedi_Goodwood>	little* jan 20 17:33:05 <Jedimca0>	I know. jan 20 17:34:22 *	SillyDan (i=user@user-365.gradstudents.utoronto.ca) has joined #wookieepedia jan 20 17:34:42 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Hello SIlly. jan 20 17:34:44 <Jedi_Goodwood>	:D jan 20 17:34:48 <SillyDan>	It's Dan. 8) jan 20 17:34:55 <Jedi_Goodwood>	;) jan 20 17:35:18 <SillyDan>	So, Sikon's blocked himself for some reason -- can anyone on the channel explain why? jan 20 17:35:38 <Jedimca0>	yes... I think we can... jan 20 17:35:49 <Imp|zzz>	He was mad because his changes to the edit summary template were met with opposition. jan 20 17:36:17 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Indeed. And he threatened to remove them alltogether. jan 20 17:36:19 <LtNOWIS2>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Newpages Aw yeah jan 20 17:36:20 <Imp|zzz>	By the way, enjoy your rollback button, Jed. jan 20 17:36:29 <LtNOWIS2>	It's fun. jan 20 17:36:29 <Jedimca0>	thanks jan 20 17:37:09 <SillyDan>	good lord. Is that it? jan 20 17:37:15 <Imp|zzz>	Yes. jan 20 17:37:15 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Yes. jan 20 17:37:18 <Jedimca0>	yep jan 20 17:37:19 <SillyDan>	I give up. jan 20 17:37:57 <Jedi_Goodwood>	On what? jan 20 17:38:06 <SillyDan>	Oh, just in general. jan 20 17:38:16 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Okay... jan 20 17:38:39 <Jedi_Goodwood>	On a sadder note, looks like this is the death of the QDB. jan 20 17:38:50 <Imp|zzz>	Nah. jan 20 17:39:07 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Oh. Good...hate to lose that. jan 20 17:39:15 <SillyDan>	There is so much bizarre behaviour on Wookieepedia, and whenever I get an explanation it's doesn't explain anything. jan 20 17:39:27 <SillyDan>	(at least to me) jan 20 17:39:28 <LtNOWIS2>	Oh, damn. jan 20 17:39:36 <LtNOWIS2>	Forgot he ran that. jan 20 17:40:18 <LtNOWIS2>	Well, Jaymach got the thing database that one time. jan 20 17:40:23 <Imp|zzz>	Eh. Obsessive geeks + Internet + anonymity = ??? jan 20 17:40:41 <Jedi_Goodwood>	"Something nasty." -- Kyle Katarn jan 20 17:42:06 <SillyDan>	Why did he want the "page created" page summary deleted? jan 20 17:42:37 <Imp|zzz>	Because MediaWiki automatically inserts "Page created" when pages are ...created. jan 20 17:42:41 <LtNOWIS2>	Not informatie. jan 20 17:42:47 <SillyDan>	Oh, that makes sense. jan 20 17:42:49 *	LtNOWIS2 is now known as LtNOWIS|away jan 20 17:42:59 <SillyDan>	So why did everyone revert it? jan 20 17:43:31 <LtNOWIS|away>	Unilateralism is bad. jan 20 17:43:40 <Nuku-Nuku>	By the way, the QDB is down. - Sikon jan 20 17:43:50 *	Jedi_Goodwood hates it when he's right. jan 20 17:43:53 <LtNOWIS|away>	Nice. jan 20 17:43:53 <Imp|zzz>	Sigh. jan 20 17:44:06 <LtNOWIS|away>	I guess we should've gotten a dump for that when we had the chance. jan 20 17:45:29 <LtNOWIS|away>	Well, I'm off. jan 20 17:45:37 *	Cactuar83 (n=41494520@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-2ceba64912bb461e) has joined #wookieepedia jan 20 17:49:30 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Well, for good or ill, you can probably blame me for Sikon's departure. jan 20 17:50:10 <Jedi_Goodwood>	bBBL jan 20 17:50:14 <Jedi_Goodwood>	BBL jan 20 17:50:48 *	Wildstorm (n=Thanagar@pool-96-224-248-116.nycmny.fios.verizon.net) has joined #wookieepedia jan 20 17:50:51 *	Wildstorm is now known as Redemption jan 20 17:53:36 *	Nuku-Nuku (n=Nuku-Nuk@ip70-174-9-30.hr.hr.cox.net) has left #wookieepedia ("LucidFox") jan 20 17:54:50 *	Cactuar83 has quit ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") jan 20 17:59:53 <Jedimca0>	O_O jan 20 18:00:01 <Jedimca0>	check the deletion log... jan 20 18:00:30 <Redemption>	Uhg. jan 20 18:00:37 <Redemption>	Is Sikon being a whiny douche again? jan 20 18:01:47 *	vetstadium (n=44263b9d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-73e50ae306aa224d) has joined #wookieepedia jan 20 18:01:57 	hello jan 20 18:02:08 *	Toprawa (n=959f5446@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-e2a211b721733241) has joined #wookieepedia jan 20 18:02:11 *	LucidFox (n=sikon@wikia/Sikon) has joined #wookieepedia jan 20 18:02:19 <LucidFox>	What, am I not even allowed to delete my talk page? jan 20 18:02:20 <LucidFox>	Seriously... jan 20 18:02:25 <Redemption>	Someone gots some splanin to do. jan 20 18:02:26 <Imp|zzz>	No. jan 20 18:02:30 <LucidFox>	:( jan 20 18:02:32 *	LucidFox (n=sikon@wikia/Sikon) has left #wookieepedia ("Huh?") jan 20 18:02:37 	You guys from U.S.? jan 20 18:02:41 <Redemption>	Some./ jan 20 18:02:57 	anyone been to the Star Wars exhibit traveling the country? jan 20 18:03:00 	How was it? jan 20 18:03:05 *	supergeeky1 (n=rflynnp@12.4.222.43) has joined #wookieepedia jan 20 18:05:34 *	GreenTentacle (n=chatzill@wikia/GreenTentacle) has joined #wookieepedia jan 20 18:05:58 <SillyDan>	surely someone here has seen it? jan 20 18:06:07 <Toprawa>	ok, Q of the day: jan 20 18:06:09 	It is coming to Philly next month jan 20 18:06:15 <Imp|zzz>	I live in Europe, sorry. jan 20 18:06:27 <Redemption>	And I'm not allowed in Philly. jan 20 18:06:28 <GreenTentacle>	Why does it take my computer 20 minutes to figure out I've plugged in my iPod? jan 20 18:06:34 <Toprawa>	how canon is this, the "Shadow AT-AT": http://www.kandccollectibles.com/store/ingenii.cgi?currency=&p=saga-toys-micro&xm=on jan 20 18:06:35 	I think they had one overseas several years back not sure jan 20 18:07:10 <Redemption>	Torawa: Pretend you never saw it... jan 20 18:07:18 <SillyDan>	The Star Wars Technical Commentaries page has pictures from some exhibit of props, doesn't it? jan 20 18:07:47 	I know they have a milenium falcon cock pit ride jan 20 18:07:50 <Toprawa>	even if it's a licensed toy? jan 20 18:07:58 *	Eulalia459678 (n=d001d971@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-802fe90cfcca0f0e) has joined #wookieepedia jan 20 18:07:59 <Eulalia459678>	rar jan 20 18:08:01 <Redemption>	Yeah. jan 20 18:08:02 	Which is only an extra 5 bucks jan 20 18:08:05 <SillyDan>	An AT-AT painted black for stealth? That makes no sense. jan 20 18:08:13 <Redemption>	Just pretend you didn't see it and let it be someone elses headache. jan 20 18:08:16 <Toprawa>	agreed, Dan, but that's beside the point. jan 20 18:08:19 <Eulalia459678>	You'd still hear them/ jan 20 18:08:21 <SillyDan>	True. jan 20 18:08:23 <Eulalia459678>	*. jan 20 18:08:26 <Toprawa>	not to mention that i dont' believe planets can develop without a star, as its description says jan 20 18:08:30 <SillyDan>	I was just complaining. jan 20 18:08:34 *	vetstadium has quit ("CGI:IRC") jan 20 18:08:55 <Toprawa>	is it worthy of inclusion into AT-AT? jan 20 18:09:06 *	supergeeky1 (n=rflynnp@12.4.222.43) has left #wookieepedia jan 20 18:09:17 <Imp|zzz>	If it really is licensed, sure. jan 20 18:09:19 <SillyDan>	If only to avoid someone making an entire article about it...yes. jan 20 18:09:22 <GreenTentacle>	16:33, 20 January 2008 Sikon (Talk | contribs | block) blocked "Sikon (contribs)" with an expiry time of infinite (anonymous users only, account creation disabled) (Don't unban. If you do, I will ask staff to remove my account.) jan 20 18:09:24 <GreenTentacle>	Er... jan 20 18:09:27 <GreenTentacle>	What the fuck? jan 20 18:09:30 <Imp|zzz>	Sikon... jan 20 18:09:32 *	Imp|zzz shrugs jan 20 18:09:34 <Toprawa>	and how would I go about sourcing something like this? jan 20 18:09:35 <Redemption>	Not sure how, or why, they'd make an AT-AT for steakth. jan 20 18:09:37 <Jack_Phoenix>	meh, accounts cannot be removed jan 20 18:09:41 <Imp|zzz>	<LucidFox> The problem is that I'm not allowed to even clarify my own intentions without going through 100+ layers of approval jan 20 18:09:43 <Redemption>	*stealth jan 20 18:10:00 <SillyDan>	Mmm, AT-AT steaks.... jan 20 18:10:07 <Eulalia459678>	Yum... jan 20 18:10:14 <Eulalia459678>	With some hot sauce... jan 20 18:10:18 <Imp|zzz>	<LucidFox> But I'd rather like summaries disabled completely than have users opposing my original vision. jan 20 18:10:29 *	LucidFox (n=sikon@wikia/Sikon) has joined #wookieepedia jan 20 18:10:33 <Redemption>	Wha...? jan 20 18:10:34 <LucidFox>	May I at least vandalize my userpage, or is that forbidden by some obscure policy too? jan 20 18:10:44 <LtNOWIS|away>	Stealth AT-AT isn't crazy. jan 20 18:10:54 <SillyDan>	Well, if you've blocked yourself and told us not to unblock you, what's the point? jan 20 18:10:57 <Redemption>	Isn't the point of an AT-AT pure destructive? jan 20 18:11:05 <LucidFox>	I can unblock myself again just for that jan 20 18:11:20 <LtNOWIS|away>	1: Real world military colorings aren't always purely sensible. jan 20 18:11:21 <Toprawa>	the black paint job and calling it stealthy isn't as ridiculous as "Deployed during night operations, or on the pitch surfaces of sunless worlds" jan 20 18:11:23 <Imp|zzz>	Why would you vandalize your user page? jan 20 18:11:24 <Redemption>	I assume that it'd be against policy as it's disruptive. jan 20 18:11:26 <Toprawa>	please explain to me what a sunless world is jan 20 18:11:30 <LucidFox>	See. jan 20 18:11:38 <LtNOWIS|away>	Toprawa: they got clouds. jan 20 18:11:39 <GreenTentacle>	Why would you block yourself in the first place? jan 20 18:11:42 <SillyDan>	A planet with no or only a very dim sun? jan 20 18:11:50 <LtNOWIS|away>	Like, there's no sun today, where I live. jan 20 18:11:53 <Toprawa>	NOWIS>there's still sunlight. even Venus has sunlight jan 20 18:12:00 *	Eulalia459678 has quit (Client Quit) jan 20 18:12:03 <LucidFox>	Er, because I can? jan 20 18:12:04 <SillyDan>	Or maybe just very far away from its parent sun. jan 20 18:12:04 <LtNOWIS|away>	Still counts as sunless. jan 20 18:12:12 <LtNOWIS|away>	From a weatherman perspective. jan 20 18:12:15 <Toprawa>	well, whatever. jan 20 18:12:19 <Toprawa>	how would i source this? jan 20 18:12:23 <Toprawa>	link to one of these pages? jan 20 18:12:31 <Redemption>	Find it on Hasbro's site. jan 20 18:12:35 <LtNOWIS|away>	http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sunless?r=75 jan 20 18:12:41 <LucidFox>	Culator will probably return Nuku-Nuku here as well, too... jan 20 18:12:48 <LtNOWIS|away>	"overcast" jan 20 18:12:54 <LucidFox>	or just kill the poor beast jan 20 18:12:59 <Redemption>	Kill it. jan 20 18:13:02 <Redemption>	I never liked it. jan 20 18:13:05 <Redemption>	It was annoying as hell. jan 20 18:13:06 <SillyDan>	Toprawa: like this article? http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jorg_Sacul jan 20 18:13:07 <GreenTentacle>	Bah! jan 20 18:13:12 <LucidFox>	Well, I removed it from all #wookieepedia channels jan 20 18:13:20 <GreenTentacle>	I hate having to give myself power. :( jan 20 18:13:21 <Imp|zzz>	Why? jan 20 18:13:25 <LucidFox>	it remains on #SWMWiki, #stargate and #gtkpod jan 20 18:13:33 <Toprawa>	hmm...he looks familiar ;) jan 20 18:13:35 *	ChanServ gives channel operator status to GreenTentacle jan 20 18:14:21 <LtNOWIS|away>	Sikon: You could always work on Russian Star Wars Wiki. jan 20 18:14:24 <LucidFox>	Bah. jan 20 18:15:00 <LucidFox>	I've lost interest. Haven't contributed anything in the last N weeks jan 20 18:15:00 <LtNOWIS|away>	At least try to beat out the Dutch. jan 20 18:15:15 <Redemption>	So you make a scene out of leaving? jan 20 18:15:29 <LucidFox>	Basically, yes. :) jan 20 18:15:32 <Redemption>	Come on, you know better then to pull a Nebulax. jan 20 18:15:39 <LucidFox>	I'm not Nebulax. jan 20 18:15:45 <Redemption>	Then don't act like him. jan 20 18:15:47 <SillyDan>	Jack didn't jump, he was pushed. jan 20 18:15:56 <Redemption>	Yeah but how many times did he cry he was leaving? jan 20 18:16:02 <Redemption>	And then make a scene out of it? jan 20 18:16:25 <LtNOWIS|away>	You don't need to really contribute to be a respected member. jan 20 18:16:29 <LucidFox>	If I was pulling a Nebulax, I would have left long-winded notes in the SH and on TFN jan 20 18:16:37 <LucidFox>	It's not an issue of contributing jan 20 18:16:39 <Redemption>	True, true. jan 20 18:16:49 <LtNOWIS|away>	I cruise along for long periods just hanging out here and reverting vandalism. jan 20 18:16:52 <Redemption>	Still. Leaving the notice would be enough. jan 20 18:17:03 <LtNOWIS|away>	Heck, I do typo hunt just for token edits. jan 20 18:17:13 <Redemption>	There's always categorizing the images. jan 20 18:17:20 <Redemption>	By issue...then page...then panel.. jan 20 18:17:33 <Redemption>	Oh boy...do I have fun times ahead of me. jan 20 18:17:48 <Imp|zzz>	Any admins mind closing the bureaucrat veto CT? jan 20 18:18:19 <LucidFox>	it's just that my own opinion about the Wookieepedia community as a whole has decreased so much that I no longer care what it thinks about me. Present company exempted. jan 20 18:19:01 <SillyDan>	I'll close the bureaucrat veto CT -> consensus is against me, but I'm not too worried. jan 20 18:19:04 <Redemption>	Just saying. If I were you, I wouldn't even bother leaving the "Punch it" on my userpage. Just say screw it and turn off the monitor. jan 20 18:19:12 <Imp|zzz>	Thanks, Dan. jan 20 18:19:21 <LucidFox>	Well, makes sense. jan 20 18:19:37 <Redemption>	ooh. I have a message. jan 20 18:19:43 <LucidFox>	I just thought I left too abruptly, so rejoined briefly to clarify some matters. jan 20 18:19:50 <Redemption>	ugh. jan 20 18:20:00 <SillyDan>	I just put that on your userpage for technical reasons: if the wanted pages thing worked properly I wouldn't have. jan 20 18:20:03 <Redemption>	Some idiot complaining about that damn whatcha call it page. jan 20 18:20:06 <LucidFox>	Yes, I figured jan 20 18:20:47 <Imp|zzz>	BBL. jan 20 18:21:20 <LucidFox>	I have a request. jan 20 18:21:33 <LucidFox>	It may appear insane, of course. jan 20 18:21:43 <Redemption>	That's what we do. jan 20 18:21:58 <LucidFox>	Restructure the summaries completely. Shuffle the numbers or remove them altogether, reorder the entries. jan 20 18:22:08 <LucidFox>	Keep whatever entries you like. jan 20 18:22:43 <LucidFox>	Just remove all trace of my initial ordering. jan 20 18:24:00 <GreenTentacle>	Any particular reason? jan 20 18:24:03 <LtNOWIS|away>	Eh... jan 20 18:24:33 <LucidFox>	Yes. I don't want to have any of my work in the summaries feature anymore. jan 20 18:24:49 <LucidFox>	The numbers aren't needed anyway... jan 20 18:25:51 <LtNOWIS|away>	The numbers are helpful. jan 20 18:26:03 <Jedimca0>	yes jan 20 18:26:13 *	LucidFox headdesks jan 20 18:26:13 <Redemption>	Never saw the point. jan 20 18:26:16 <Jedimca0>	very helpful jan 20 18:26:38 <LucidFox>	I simply added the numbers for a certain "hackerish feel". jan 20 18:26:55 <LucidFox>	I stole that idea from a Russian website about Linux. jan 20 18:27:08 <LucidFox>	They were never supposed to serve any real purpose. jan 20 18:27:21 <Jedimca0>	well... they do... jan 20 18:27:50 <LucidFox>	see... I can't even do screw up when I mean to :( jan 20 18:28:07 <LucidFox>	or maybe you're just insisting out of spite, whatever jan 20 18:28:28 *	supergeeky1 (n=rflynnp@12.4.222.43) has joined #wookieepedia jan 20 18:28:39 <Redemption>	Probably spite since I can't think of a single good point to the numbers. jan 20 18:28:54 <SillyDan>	It helps to organize the different summaries. jan 20 18:28:58 <Jedimca0>	the numbers help me find the summary I'm looking for... jan 20 18:28:58 <LucidFox>	Please understand that I'm really upset now, plus sleepy, so it may affect my ability to think clearly jan 20 18:29:05 <LtNOWIS|away>	It categorizes them by type. jan 20 18:29:15 <LucidFox>	I never said remove the categories jan 20 18:29:19 <LucidFox>	just the numbers jan 20 18:29:21 <LtNOWIS|away>	Also, if your computer saves edit summaries, you can type the number. jan 20 18:29:27 <Redemption>	Yes because it's become such a chore to type out "Vandalism", "Grammar fix" jan 20 18:29:54 <Jedimca0>	Per LtNOWIS jan 20 18:30:34 <LtNOWIS|away>	It really is, Redemption. jan 20 18:30:56 <Redemption>	I'm sure it is. jan 20 18:31:18 <LucidFox>	It used to be different. jan 20 18:31:25 <LucidFox>	People used to actually listen to me. jan 20 18:31:59 <LucidFox>	And the community used to be friendlier to each other jan 20 18:32:06 <LucidFox>	more informal, and less bureaucratic jan 20 18:32:29 <Redemption>	That's what happens as something grows. jan 20 18:32:51 <Redemption>	It becomes more difficult to control and so more actions are needed to keep a lid on things. jan 20 18:32:56 <LucidFox>	Well, Ubuntu still has this spirit jan 20 18:32:58 <Jedimca0>	don't get me wrong... I'm a "friendly person"... I just disagree with you... jan 20 18:33:03 <LucidFox>	at least it's my impression jan 20 18:33:21 <LucidFox>	not Debian, though, those are elitist jan 20 18:33:27 *	Madclaw (n=565f451d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-fae458e77ea1e72f) has joined #wookieepedia jan 20 18:33:39 <Jedimca0>	there is a difference between having my own opinion and being not friendly... jan 20 18:35:22 <LucidFox>	It's not just your opinion, as you see. Either everyone unilaterally opposes my every change just because it comes from me - which I doubt, because I consider most Wookieepedians to be sane - or my views are so radically different from the majority that I have no place in this community to begin with jan 20 18:36:25 <LucidFox>	Since the majority is never wrong, it's I who has no concept of usability, not the others. And I'm not being sarcastic, I really think that. jan 20 18:36:41 <Redemption>	The majority is never wrong? jan 20 18:36:51 <Madclaw>	thats a big assumption jan 20 18:36:59 <Madclaw>	hehe i said big ass jan 20 18:37:00 <Toprawa>	it really seems like Hasbro has gone at lengths to cover their bullshit. the Stealth AT-AT seems to appear no where on their site. jan 20 18:37:18 <Toprawa>	while every other item in that Titanium series does appear jan 20 18:37:19 <Jedimca0>	people make mistakes... jan 20 18:37:28 <Jaymach>	the majority is never wrong about what's better for the majority...even when they're wrong :P jan 20 18:37:37 <Jedimca0>	even a "majority" can be "wrong" jan 20 18:37:40 <Redemption>	Der, what? jan 20 18:38:13 <Madclaw>	the Stealth AT-AT seems to appear no where on their site. jan 20 18:38:18 <Madclaw>	thats why its stealth ;) jan 20 18:38:19 <Redemption>	I mean, your on a Wiki that covers a story about the majority being wrong... jan 20 18:38:35 <LucidFox>	lol jan 20 18:38:42 <Jaymach>	the majority will always decide what they think is best for the majority...occasionally the individual will know better than them, but the majority still needs to find out they're wrong or else they won't change their mind jan 20 18:39:17 <LucidFox>	Well, the point is... jan 20 18:39:28 <Jaymach>	that having been said...I don't actually know what this discussion is about :P jan 20 18:39:29 <LucidFox>	When I implemented summaries, I didn't ask anyone about what to include. jan 20 18:39:34 <Jaymach>	I'm just jumping in the middle jan 20 18:39:40 <LucidFox>	Jaymach> About me leaving. jan 20 18:39:45 <Jaymach>	ah jan 20 18:39:46 <Jaymach>	I did that jan 20 18:39:53 <Jaymach>	didn't work out well jan 20 18:40:03 <LucidFox>	Jaymach> Yes, and I'm following your suit :p jan 20 18:40:17 <LucidFox>	without you, I would probably never find the courage to do that jan 20 18:40:28 <Jaymach>	I still don't agree with the way the site is going, or about some of the ways its run, but I agree that it's the best Star Wars encyclopedia out there so I want to add to it still jan 20 18:40:45 <Jaymach>	s'why I don't want to be an admin or have any sort of power jan 20 18:40:59 <Redemption>	And yet...here you are. jan 20 18:41:01 <LucidFox>	Well, my interest to Star Wars recently dwindled too... jan 20 18:41:11 <LucidFox>	apart from KOTOR jan 20 18:41:32 <LucidFox>	I'll keep track of the comics and play TSL with TSLRP when it's finished, and that's it jan 20 18:41:49 <Jaymach>	I still agree that the Wookieepedia is good for the Star Wars 'verse and for the fans...I just don't like the way its run...so I'm fine with it existing, and I'll even help it exist to a point...but I don't want to be part of the way its run anymore jan 20 18:42:01 <Jaymach>	and I stay in here purely for the community :P jan 20 18:42:06 <LtNOWIS|away>	Listen: They make stealth warships. A stealth walker is no crazier. jan 20 18:42:08 <Jaymach>	I get bored online really quickly jan 20 18:42:17 <Jaymach>	this provides something new, though the same, every day jan 20 18:42:21 <LtNOWIS|away>	Like, ocean-going, Real-world warships. jan 20 18:42:34 <Jaymach>	(LtNOWIS|away): stealth warships don't make big CLUNK noises every time they move :P jan 20 18:42:36 <Redemption>	Do they paint those black too? jan 20 18:42:37 <LucidFox>	The only reason I stayed on Wookieepedia for so long in the first place was so I could occasionally tinker with the technical side jan 20 18:42:46 <LtNOWIS|away>	Yeah. Recent changes pwns any RSS. jan 20 18:43:04 <Jaymach>	(LucidFox): feel free to come over to the Stargate wiki :P god knows it needs help lol jan 20 18:43:15 <LucidFox>	yes, I probably will :) jan 20 18:43:31 <Jaymach>	well I'm all for Sikon leaving then :P lol jan 20 18:43:47 <LtNOWIS|away>	Camoflage aircraft carrier: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:HMS_Argus_%281917%29.jpg jan 20 18:43:53 <LucidFox>	I could contribute to both. The problem is that nothing ties me to Wookieepedia anymore. jan 20 18:43:57 <Redemption>	I don't care either way to be perfectly frank. jan 20 18:44:07 <LucidFox>	And I'm far more involved with Ubuntu now than with either wiki. jan 20 18:44:11 <Redemption>	I just don't like it when people make a scene about it. jan 20 18:44:18 <Toprawa>	NOWIS>i don't care how crazy the idea is, i just want to find the damned hasbro page! jan 20 18:44:35 <SillyDan>	And I don't like it when people make a scene about people making a scene. jan 20 18:44:44 <Redemption>	Oh shush you. jan 20 18:45:00 <Jaymach>	(SillyDan): it's worse when you don't make a scene :P jan 20 18:45:12 <Jaymach>	I tried to leave quietly and it only got people talking about it more jan 20 18:45:22 <GreenTentacle>	Bah! jan 20 18:45:26 <GreenTentacle>	Nobody leaves! :P jan 20 18:45:30 <Jaymach>	(LtNOWIS|away): does the US military know that the ocean isn't a Zebra? jan 20 18:45:34 <SillyDan>	...Yeah, I remember asking what was going on. jan 20 18:45:42 <Redemption>	I don't think so... jan 20 18:45:48 <SillyDan>	Jaymach: it's HMS Argus in that pic. jan 20 18:45:57 <Toprawa>	NOWIS>what happpens when this product has clearly been removed from the Hasbro site, then what? jan 20 18:46:12 <Redemption>	Mark it down as we did with Lucasarts images. jan 20 18:46:27 <SillyDan>	Toprawa: if any evidence it existed at some point can be found, BTS it? jan 20 18:46:39 <Toprawa>	Dan>good enough for me jan 20 18:47:01 <LtNOWIS|away>	Jaymach: You realize that was a British warship? jan 20 18:47:19 <Jaymach>	I do not realize that and thus you are wrong :P jan 20 18:47:21 <LtNOWIS|away>	And, I'm behind the conversation. jan 20 18:47:30 *	supergeeky1 (n=rflynnp@12.4.222.43) has left #wookieepedia jan 20 18:47:34 *	Madclaw (n=565f451d@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-fae458e77ea1e72f) has left #wookieepedia jan 20 18:47:45 <SillyDan>	Still, if I thought I saw a zebra on the ocean, the last thing I would be expected would be for it to launch fighter planes at me jan 20 18:47:51 <SillyDan>	*expecting jan 20 18:48:27 <Jaymach>	that's true :P jan 20 18:48:41 <LucidFox>	What's more frustrating is that I'm partially responsible for the bureaucratization of Wookieepedia jan 20 18:48:48 <LucidFox>	because I created the bloody CT jan 20 18:49:09 <SillyDan>	Which CT? The "we need more bureaucrats" CT? jan 20 18:49:11 <Redemption>	Yes, it's become very handy in shutting certain people up. jan 20 18:51:50 <LucidFox>	SillyDan> The CT itself. jan 20 18:51:56 <LucidFox>	the page. jan 20 18:52:39 <LucidFox>	At that time, it was simply a way to keep significant discussions off the Community Portal page. jan 20 18:52:48 <LucidFox>	Now it's mutated into... you know what. jan 20 18:52:50 *	Hobbes|Hereish (n=hobbes|h@c-24-131-128-231.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has joined #wookieepedia jan 20 18:53:45 <LtNOWIS|away>	You don't have to look at it. jan 20 18:53:47 <SillyDan>	Ah yes, reminds me of what's happened with the WP:NOT page I started.... jan 20 18:54:08 *	Phoenix-wiki has quit ("Cannon...Cannon?!? where?!?!!?") jan 20 18:54:31 <LucidFox>	SillyDan> What's bad about WP:NOT as it's now? jan 20 18:54:41 <LucidFox>	other than the elitist language jan 20 18:54:46 <SillyDan>	Didn't expect so many people would be blocked as an indirect result (not that I objected to most of the categories of blocks....) jan 20 18:54:56 <SillyDan>	Elitist? Maybe. Where? jan 20 18:55:12 <LucidFox>	Aj jan 20 18:55:16 <LucidFox>	* Ah jan 20 18:59:13 *	Culator|Out (n=187da19b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-c389c9d53083bfab) has joined #wookieepedia jan 20 18:59:26 <LtNOWIS|away>	I'm out. jan 20 18:59:33 *	LtNOWIS|away has quit ("CGI:IRC 0.5.9 (2006/06/06)") jan 20 18:59:42 <Culator|Out>	OK, what have I missed in the last few hours? jan 20 18:59:51 <LucidFox>	Me leaving. jan 20 18:59:51 <GreenTentacle>	Don't ask. :P jan 20 18:59:59 <Jedimca0>	... a lot... jan 20 19:00:04 <LucidFox>	You aren't surprised, are you? :) jan 20 19:00:04 <Redemption>	You'll regret it. jan 20 19:00:12 <LucidFox>	Redemption> why? jan 20 19:00:30 <Culator|Out>	I'm not surprised when anybody leaves anymore. Just curious about the motivation. jan 20 19:00:40 <Redemption>	I mean regret asking. jan 20 19:01:57 <LucidFox>	Culator|Out> I removed "2.1 Page created" from summaries and changed "Updated with new information" to "Updated with newly revealed information", both changes were reverted, I tried to reason but was met with unilateral opposition jan 20 19:02:08 <Culator|Out>	Oh, whatever. jan 20 19:02:28 <Redemption>	Is that ALL you changed and triggered this mess? jan 20 19:02:36 <LucidFox>	yes jan 20 19:02:38 <Redemption>	... jan 20 19:02:42 <Redemption>	You gotta be fucking kidding me. jan 20 19:02:45 <LucidFox>	everything else followed after that jan 20 19:03:00 <GreenTentacle>	LucidFox: When I reverted, I actually thought it was a mistake. jan 20 19:03:10 <LucidFox>	See... *cries* jan 20 19:03:12 <GreenTentacle>	Didn't know this was about that. jan 20 19:03:31 <GreenTentacle>	Well, you removed 2.1 and left the list starting with 2.2 jan 20 19:03:36 <Jedimca0>	LucidFox: all we did was disagree with you. jan 20 19:03:40 <GreenTentacle>	What was I supposed to think? jan 20 19:03:50 <LucidFox>	you could at least ask :) jan 20 19:03:52 <Jaymach>	oooo so it's all GT's fault? :P jan 20 19:04:05 <LucidFox>	well, Imp reverted the other change jan 20 19:04:17 <GreenTentacle>	But we needed page created anyway. jan 20 19:04:20 <LucidFox>	pretty sure he would revert the first one too if GT didn't do that sooner jan 20 19:04:21 <LucidFox>	No. jan 20 19:04:21 <Redemption>	No we don't. jan 20 19:04:24 <LucidFox>	I explained why. jan 20 19:04:34 <GreenTentacle>	Which was? jan 20 19:04:34 <Redemption>	That's why there's an N next to it on the Recent changes. jan 20 19:04:36 <LucidFox>	Because MediaWiki takes care for that and provides additional information. jan 20 19:04:48 <Jedimca0>	and we disagreed with you... jan 20 19:04:55 <LucidFox>	Yes. jan 20 19:05:17 <LucidFox>	And it annoys me like heck when people defend bad usability decisions on the grounds that they're "useful" jan 20 19:05:36 <GreenTentacle>	That sentence made no sense. jan 20 19:05:41 <Redemption>	Speak for yourself Jedimca0. jan 20 19:05:45 <SillyDan>	Yes, it does. jan 20 19:05:49 <Redemption>	For once I agree with him. jan 20 19:05:52 <Jedimca0>	Redemption: ? jan 20 19:06:00 <Redemption>	Don't say "we". jan 20 19:06:08 <Jedimca0>	I speak for the peole that disagreed with him... jan 20 19:06:12 <LucidFox>	well, it was him, Goodwood and Imp jan 20 19:06:13 <Jedimca0>	*people jan 20 19:06:15 <Redemption>	Either say "they" (as in Imp and GT) jan 20 19:06:19 <Redemption>	Or "I" jan 20 19:07:03 <Jedimca0>	so I should say: Imp, Goodwood and I disagreed with him? O_o jan 20 19:07:14 <GreenTentacle>	Hey, I never disagreed. I just reverted something that appeared to be a mistake. If there were any signs of reasoning behind it, I'd have left it alone. jan 20 19:07:15 <Redemption>	Yes. jan 20 19:07:17 <Redemption>	Yes you should. jan 20 19:07:30 <LucidFox>	As for information, I suggested changing revealed to released. Everyone agreed it was better wording. But you disagreed even with that. jan 20 19:07:43 <Jaymach>	in fact, you should leave the site alone and go back to translating :P jan 20 19:07:52 <LucidFox>	by disagreed, I mean wanted to have the change reverted period jan 20 19:09:00 <SillyDan>	Ironically, there were no edit summaries on the edits to the edit summary template -- which is part of the reason I was confused at any rate. jan 20 19:09:14 <GreenTentacle>	My point exactly. jan 20 19:09:18 <Jedimca0>	LucidFox: I agreed to the released bit until Imp explained why he thought it should be the way it was... what he said changed my mind. jan 20 19:09:30 <GreenTentacle>	If he'd put an edit summary, I would have known it was done on purpose. jan 20 19:09:47 <LucidFox>	GreenTentacle> I see... that was stupid :/ jan 20 19:09:57 <LucidFox>	So, in short: I worded a summary inaccurately, people assumed the wrong meaning for this summary and started using it in context I didn't intend it to be used this way jan 20 19:09:59 <Redemption>	See. Just a misunderstanding. jan 20 19:10:15 <LucidFox>	and when I tried to change it to more accurately reflect my original intent, you rebelled jan 20 19:10:24 <GreenTentacle>	Rebelled? jan 20 19:10:35 <Redemption>	Strong word. jan 20 19:11:02 <Jedimca0>	We asked why it was changed... you answered and some of us disagreed with you. jan 20 19:11:13 <Redemption>	Better. =P jan 20 19:15:11 <Culator|Out>	Is it just me, or does this seem like a massive overreaction? jan 20 19:15:25 <Redemption>	Certaintly not just you... jan 20 19:15:26 <GreenTentacle>	It's not just you. jan 20 19:16:07 <SillyDan>	It only makes sense as the last of a series -- which I get the idea from Sikon is the case. jan 20 19:16:36 <Jedimca0>	all I did was voice my opinion... jan 20 19:17:49 <Culator|Out>	It's like, oh my god, you stepped on my toe! Now I shall become a hermit and write a manifesto and send letter bombs at random! jan 20 19:18:50 <SillyDan>	he hasn't made any threats. jan 20 19:19:04 <Jaymach>	(Jedimca0): you voiced your opinion?! HOW DARE YOU! jan 20 19:19:20 <LucidFox>	Let me put it this way... jan 20 19:19:28 <LucidFox>	You're a programmet. jan 20 19:19:31 <LucidFox>	* programmer jan 20 19:19:41 <Jaymach>	no I'm not :P jan 20 19:19:46 <Jedimca0>	Jaymach: I do it everyday when I'm in here... jan 20 19:19:50 <LucidFox>	Imagine it. jan 20 19:20:14 <Jaymach>	hmm...I have the sudden urge to kill myself to escape the monotony...imagining is going well :P jan 20 19:20:23 <Culator|Out>	People disagree with me all the time. I suspect it's one of Wookieepedia's national pastimes. But it's not going to make me quit. Ever. jan 20 19:20:59 <LucidFox>	You write some software. One day, you make a stupid decision that you should have never made, and added a pointless and potentially harmful feature. jan 20 19:21:02 <Jaymach>	my main reason for quitting was because the Wookieepedia didn't feel fun anymore tbh :P jan 20 19:21:23 <LucidFox>	One day, when the feature _actually_ becomes harmful, you remove it. jan 20 19:21:32 <GreenTentacle>	It's not fun at the moment. jan 20 19:21:39 <GreenTentacle>	But I know what is... jan 20 19:21:43 *	GreenTentacle is now known as GT|UT3 jan 20 19:21:57 <Jaymach>	(LucidFox): have you not learned ANYTHING from Microsoft? you just keep making the same mistake in future versions, allowing it to get bigger and bigger until you can offer an even better service which you charge double for :) jan 20 19:21:59 <LucidFox>	And then you're stormed by user complaints saying that they liked this pointless feature, and ask you to add it back jan 20 19:23:45 <LucidFox>	Jaymach> Microsoft's problem stems partially from the fact that they want to be binary compatible with Windows 95. Linux developers in these cases just say, "Screw it, we're breaking the API and if anyone cares they will rewrite their software, or somebody else will port it" jan 20 19:24:24 <Jaymach>	and yet look at which company more people use :P jan 20 19:24:36 <Jaymach>	people like stupidity, it makes them feel safe :P jan 20 19:25:04 <LucidFox>	That's not the reason. jan 20 19:25:28 <Jaymach>	I wouldn't bet on that :P jan 20 19:25:36 *	Jedimca0 is now known as Jedimca0|Busy jan 20 19:25:37 *	Vaklu (n=474bf733@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-812ab8745dbe0fcb) has joined #wookieepedia jan 20 19:25:54 <Vaklu>	On some pages, era icons turn into series of code at the top of the page, does anyone know why this is? jan 20 19:26:10 <LucidFox>	Vaklu> Not my problem anymore. jan 20 19:26:22 <SillyDan>	Sadly, I don't think any of us do, else we'd have fixed it.... jan 20 19:26:30 <Vaklu>	Oh. jan 20 19:26:45 <Jaymach>	ooo....SHaelas is back :) welcome back, Shaelas jan 20 19:26:49 <SillyDan>	We've noticed the problem, but I for one can't see any pattern. Wikia staff have been alerted I think. jan 20 19:26:59 <LucidFox>	Anyway, one last disclaimer: if somebody wants the QDB back, I will return it on the first request. Otherwise, I will assume that nobody cares and let it rest in peace. jan 20 19:27:06 <Vaklu>	Jaymach, Imperialles already told you that I am not Shaelas. jan 20 19:27:18 <Jaymach>	no, he told me that a CheckUser said you weren't jan 20 19:27:26 <Vaklu>	Whatever. jan 20 19:27:31 <Jaymach>	but the CheckUser was outdated due to the fact that you hadn't edited in 3 months jan 20 19:27:42 <LucidFox>	I will leave the channel permanently in 5 minutes. jan 20 19:27:45 <Jaymach>	after which time your IP address is removed from Wikia servers jan 20 19:27:55 <SillyDan>	Judging by the dismay from earlier on the IRC, I think people want it back at least long enough to transfer it back to someone else who might be capable of hosting jan 20 19:27:56 <Redemption>	Why do I doubt that.... jan 20 19:28:00 <SillyDan>	(i.e. not me) jan 20 19:28:10 <Jaymach>	(LucidFox): I'll chuck the QDB back up on my site if you don't want to have it anymore jan 20 19:28:10 *	Vaklu has quit (Client Quit) jan 20 19:28:46 <LucidFox>	I don't care about it being on my site, if the Wookieepedians themselves don't mind it there. jan 20 19:28:53 <Jaymach>	even if it means I'll get pinged incessently :P jan 20 19:29:04 <Jaymach>	but I get that anyway with !blame jan 20 19:29:10 <LucidFox>	I can transfer it to you again, there's no problem. jan 20 19:30:12 <Jaymach>	sure...might as well jan 20 19:30:22 <Jaymach>	my hosting isn't used for much else :P jan 20 19:30:57 *	Hobbes|Hereish has quit ("Java user signed off") jan 20 19:31:17 *	Hobbes|Hereish (n=hobbes|h@c-24-131-128-231.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has joined #wookieepedia jan 20 19:31:42 <Hobbes|Hereish>	b jan 20 19:31:47 *	Hobbes|Hereish has quit (Client Quit) jan 20 19:31:57 <Jaymach>	(LucidFox): did I set up an FTP account for you last time we transfered? jan 20 19:32:07 <LucidFox>	yes jan 20 19:32:11 *	Hobbes|Hereish (n=hobbes|h@c-24-131-128-231.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has joined #wookieepedia jan 20 19:32:17 <Hobbes|Hereish>	Stupid Java. jan 20 19:32:20 <Jaymach>	righto jan 20 19:32:35 <Jaymach>	I'll just need to transfer the MySQL database then, yes? jan 20 19:32:48 <Culator|Out>	Hmm. Hand it from one person who likes to quit for no good reason to another person who likes to quit for no good reason. This seems like a good plan. jan 20 19:33:17 <LucidFox>	I'd prefer to keep the QDB on my site unless someone objects to it. jan 20 19:33:26 <Jaymach>	I don't object jan 20 19:33:27 <LucidFox>	Culator|Out> heh jan 20 19:33:36 <LucidFox>	not you :) jan 20 19:34:05 <Jaymach>	ooo...cold :P jan 20 19:35:57 <Culator|Out>	Leaving it where it is seems like a better idea, since you may eventually come to your senses and stop being silly. jan 20 19:36:18 <LucidFox>	Meh. jan 20 19:36:36 <LucidFox>	Even if I do, it's not like I'm going to edit Wookieepedia anyway. jan 20 19:36:56 <LucidFox>	I mean, I stopped editing it quite a while ago. jan 20 19:38:07 <LucidFox>	Not due to any issues with it, just due to lack of interest. jan 20 19:40:43 <Redemption>	You did admit that you were tired and a little cranky... jan 20 19:41:07 <LucidFox>	I'm still tired. jan 20 19:41:12 <LucidFox>	And sleepy. jan 20 19:41:20 <Redemption>	Uh. jan 20 19:41:29 <Redemption>	They are the same exact thing. jan 20 19:41:38 <Redemption>	Anyway... jan 20 19:41:40 <Redemption>	Sleep on it. jan 20 19:41:56 <Redemption>	You're prone to make rash and silly decisions right now. jan 20 19:42:28 <Redemption>	Do it before you decide to anything else that would raise some eyebrows. jan 20 19:42:37 <LucidFox>	Anyway, the QDB is back, I just deleted myself from admins. jan 20 19:42:48 <Redemption>	Oi. jan 20 19:43:14 <LucidFox>	So someone else will have to approve quotes. Right now, those are Jaymach, Culator and Jorrel. jan 20 19:43:58 <Jedi_Goodwood>	Back. jan 20 19:44:24 <Redemption>	Bah. jan 20 19:44:45 <LucidFox>	Tommorrow, I'll add web-based interface to allow them to add new admins, which is currently only possible by editing the database. jan 20 19:44:51 <Redemption>	Jaymach: That suggestion you made on the CT, Categorizing images: story arc vs issue, created a real mess. jan 20 19:45:12 <Jaymach>	yeah, but I've been speaking to sannse about getting it functional jan 20 19:45:29 <Redemption>	Any results? jan 20 19:45:31 <Jaymach>	we're currently trying to find a coder to implement the idea jan 20 19:45:47 <Redemption>	I wouldn't even bother with it at this point. jan 20 19:46:25 <LucidFox>	also, Culator... if you don't mind, I'd like to keep at least admin privileges for Nuku-Nuku, because I use her on #gtkpod jan 20 19:46:25 <Jaymach>	eh...I still want it to be a feature, even if it's not implemented jan 20 19:46:35 <LucidFox>	and now I'm off jan 20 19:46:38 *	LucidFox (n=sikon@wikia/Sikon) has left #wookieepedia ("Huh?")