User talk:Darth Vatrir

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Darth Vatrir, welcome!

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The template you were making
Might I suggest fanonstart as a better title for it? We have a Template:Noncanonstart already. Thanks, &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:09, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I also made fanonend to go with it. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:13, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * And then I added it to your userpage: noncanonstart puts it in the same category as, for example, characters from licensed comics which were retconned away. So, you shouldn't use it on your user page.  Cheers, &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:33, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Lightsaber colors
Hey, I was wondering what the source was for the info you were adding to the "Known blade colors" section of the Lightsaber page. - Angel Blue 451 19:19, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Video game statistics and the input of many of my Star Wars fan friends. user:Darth Vatrir


 * Unless a canon source shows us something its not recommened to add it Jedi Dude 23:24, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Stomtroopers and Lightdaggers
Can you please provide a source for your notation in the lightsaber article which states: Stormtroopers were trained in hand-to-hand combat with lightdaggers. Thanks. -  Son of Nils Talk 23:17, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * There is no evidence of this please do not add it again, thanks Jedi Dude 23:23, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

My Additions
Oi...why are all my additions at best, controversial, at worst, erased. Clarification please...
 * Why not ask the users who deleted your additions? Judging by the other comments on your talk page, I suspect it's because you're adding things which are mostly speculation which isn't directly supported by the primary sources. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:48, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's nothing personal. The thing is, here we try to stick to information that is directly from a canonical source.  Your additions contain a large amount of speculation.  Now, even if your speculation has roots in canon, it's still speculation and therefore not canon, and therefore not appropriate for the article.  Usually, it's a good idea to have a source handy that directly supports what you submit.  Plus, if you are interested, there is a fanon wiki, and I believe the fanon page has a link to it.  Just remember, when submitting content here, always be sure it can be verified by a canonical source. - Angel Blue 451 03:35, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

The Beauty of it all...
You know, the beauty of having your userpages Fanon history set in a far away area gives you leave to be creative and do what you want. Anyone agree?
 * Nope. Go to the Fanon Wiki if you want to do that kinda stuff - This is an encyclopedia for canon stuff. .  .  .  .  03:22, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I just mean that its kind of cool to have fanon histories on your userpages, not going crazy and infecting Wookieepedia with a crapload of fanon. I'm saying that its kind of fun to creat little personal histories on your userpage. Firstly, as I said, you can be creative, but it also shows others what kind of person you are and how to work (or deal) with you. user:Darth Vatrir
 * Eh. I just prefer to get straight to the point. .  .  .  .  00:12, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, we'll leave it at that. Lord Darth Vatrir

Synth-crystal longevity

 * Your claim about the short-lived nature of synth-crystals has been removed until you provide a canonical source for that particular claim. Cutch 18:43, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Now I remember where I got it from. The Revenge of the Sith Visual Dictionary. I don't remember which page (my copy got stolen and I have yet to replace it), but I'm pretty sure its mentioned on the Darth Vader pg that Synth-crystals exhaust their properties faster than natural ones. The rest I just assumed. user:Darth Vatrir

Preview button
I would like to thank you for your contributions to Wookieepedia. It is recommended that you use the preview button before you save; this helps you find any errors you have made, and prevents clogging up recent changes and the page history. Thanks again. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 03:02, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Darth Vader Dual-phase saber source
Greetings. You mentioned in the lightsaber discussion page that Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader identifies Vader's saber as having a dual-phase blade. As my copy was borrowed from the library and returned some time ago, would you mind citing the quote and a page number where I can direct others? This is an item of great contention that no one has yet been able to irrefutably resolve. Thanks!  Son of Nils Talk 02:05, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, thanks for the source! I read right over that... who knew.   Son of Nils Talk 16:41, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

HI
Im Aron Skywalker, the co-manager of the [| Friday Night Fight] and i just wanna say its really good to see you on the page, we need more voters and i would very much appricate it if you could spread the word about the page when ever possible. i was lookin at your userpage and i think that black lightsabers would b rely cool aswell! and also the reason (if u didnt alredy know) those lightsabers are similar is because (being the same person) after loosing his lightsaber on mustafar he kept the same form of lightdsaber combat and that hilt helps/matches with it. also he might of liked that style of lightsaber! :-) by the way that wasnt anakins first lightsaber, he lost his other one at the battle of Jabiim and i think agen at the battle of geonosis (as seen in attack of the clones). Nice to see you on the page and keep voting, watch out for round two and winners on friday.

Merging
Please stop merging all the melee weapon articles. That kind of major action requires discussion first. -- Darth Culator  (Talk)(Kills) 20:44, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry...
 * I just meant to merge all the vibroblade variants, because they're all technically the same thing, and I went too far. So...yeah, sorry about that. Darth Vatrir

Custom Userboxes

 * If you would like any user boxes made just see my talk page. Thanks. -- Scwhinky Communicate 18:15, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Darth Vatrir

Lightsabre image
It's possible to revert an image to a previous version by clicking the (rev) link next to the version you want on its page. I did that with Image:EIII.JPG and re-uploaded the lightsabre image at Image:EIIIsaber.JPG, if you don't mind. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 19:34, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Awesome Dude!
Oh man! You have the best userboxes! Mad props to you, man! Could you help me make some sometime?

The Golden Age
I am very happy, I have hit my golden age of Star Wars book aquisition. I have aquired four in the last month. I know that this is a fairly pointless topic, but I wanted to announce it, feel free to congradulate me. Darth Vatrir

Lightsaber forms

 * Please refrain from adding un-verified information to the lightsaber forms. Known practitioners must have canonical proof, and rumored practitioners must have reasonable evidence for citation. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 17:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * And since I've had to fix a whole bunch of false information, particularly in the practitioners galleries, much of which was added by you, I will consider blocking you for fanon if you do it again, per our blocking policy. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 17:55, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Now, what exactly are we talking about, what mistake or misinterpretation did I put in? Darth Vatrir
 * For example, adding your material in present tense on Makashi and Ataru, placing Plo Koon into the Djem So gallery, and placing Palpatine under the Juyo gallery. Articles should be written in past tense, and Plo's and Palpy's forms have never been confirmed. I apologize if I sounded harsh- I had to spend about two hours cleaning up all 7 form's articles, and some of it was certainly not your fault. I didn't and don't suspect you of willful vandalism, but your comments on some of the talk pages, as well as your userpage, led me to believe you had some bias in your writing. Sorry. Still, I will be keeping a careful eye on those pages, so please source everything your bring in. Cheers. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 05:56, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I admit I made a mistake with the Plo Koon thing, but this site has mentioned on several articles that Sidious practices both Form IV and Form V, so I was just putting down what I saw. Darth Vatrir
 * If there are any articles which state that, aside from the picture thumb, let me know and I will correct them. It is only assumed that Sidious uses those forms, not canon. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 19:27, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, for starters, Sidious' article states a twice that he uses Juyo and once that he uses Ataru. Darth Vatrir
 * First of all, Sidious' article is not a source. I'll fix that immediately. Secondly, unless you have a source that the Makashi salute is always arrogant (which is POV), I will revert that change. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 03:51, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry.
 * I'd like you to look at the differences between your edit to Ataru and what I fixed. I know that you have a bias towards some forms from your userpage and talk page comments, but what you added was POV. And since the Clone Wars series is a canonical source, Shaak Ti's use of Ataru is implied by a canonical source. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 16:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The rumored practitioners galleries have been removed and the only sections on the rumored practitioners are now in the BTS section, per discussion in the IRC channel. We figured that it was unreasonable to have pictures of people who aren't confirmed to use the form. Please don't add them again. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 19:39, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps I was unclear. Don't add the rumored practitioners galleries anywhere on any article. Sorry if I seem a little harsh, but I keep having to tell you not to add speculation, POV, and other unwanted things. It's getting a tad old. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 22:45, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

Image uploads
Can you cool it on the image uploads? Have you not looked at the upload page when you are adding images? It states very clearly that you need to provide a source for images that you upload. You have not done that for basically every image that you've added. Secondly, these images are mainly of very low quality. When added to articles they don't exactly help the overall look of the page, and are usually redundant as other images that show the same event are already there. Thirdly, when you place the images on a page, you are usually hurting the layout. One image on top of another does not look good. If there's no room for another image, then it's better off if you don't add one at all. Cull Tremayne 09:36, 19 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your contributions to Wookieepedia. However, to let you know, I have deleted the picture of Count Dooku loosing his head. Making a page for that, I find inapropiately gory. Unless it's aproved by other Wookieepedians, I don't believe we need it on this page. Please do not add it again. Thanks again for your contributions. Derek Yoda&#39;s friend 02:10, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

To the first message, I only uploaded three images, and only one of them was, as far as I can tell, low quality. I admit that the Mustafar one was a bit redundant, so sorry about that, but the comic panel wasn't, it actually displayed a person loosing his hand and it wasn't warped off to the side. As for the meditation chamber on, that didn't look that low quality.

To the second message, I didn't make a page exclusively for Dooku loosing his head, but I saw a massive area on the Dooku page with no pictures and the end says that Dooku was decapitated. Secondly, that picture isn't gory, I tend to qualify gory as actually seeing blood and guts, in that pic you don't even get a distinct look at Dooku's head.

To both messages, if I seemed rude, my apologies. My writing seems like that when I hurry, so sorry. Darth Vatrir
 * Hey Vatrir, my point was that you are not sourcing the images you upload. Can you please do that? There is even a template for it on the upload page. Secondly, when you put images on a page, please try to go left, right, and look at the format of the page afterward. You have done that recently, so great job. Lastly, Derek Yoda shouldn't be removing images just because he finds it "inappropriately gory" it's basically his own way of censorship and your contribution was fine. Cull Tremayne 03:00, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * OK, I guess I will back down, I'm just supporting dignity on the Wikities, sorry my mistake. Derek Yoda&#39;s friend 22:06, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Saber forms

 * Please stop arbitrarily changing all the pictures on the saber forms. If you have a specific reason to change a picture, at least state it in an edit summary. I'm kind of confused as to why you keep doing that. Atarumaster88  23:04, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I want to change the main image for ataru because it fails to illustrate the acrobatic and aggressive nature of the style, its just Darth Maul and Qui-Gon Jinn blade-locking. I want to change the ataru guard image because the Vrook Lamar one actually shows the foot positions. On the niman article, I want to add the picture of Cin Drallig fighting Vader because it is the only movie screenshot that actually has niman being used in a lightsaber duel.

Secondly, I'm either persistent or pigheaded. Darth Vatrir The problem with Vrook Lamar's image on the Form IV: Ataru article is similar. While it is true that Lamar knows Ataru, and you can potentially get a verified image of him using it (by taking a screen shot of him showing it in the game), the KOTOR 2 game does not really change the animations for the different types of lightsaber combat, so all of them look the same. Thus, it's not the best illustration of any specific form at all; it does not show the foot patterns for Ataru, but it shows the foot patterns for every character holding a single lightsaber. Plus, the current picture of Vrook looks like it's from the final encounter in the Dantooine temple (not Khoonda), and, like the case with Cin Drallig, we cannot know which form Vrook is using because he knows all of them. Vatrir, I actually think both of those images need to removed from their articles (perhaps the Vrook image can stay with a different caption, specifying that Vrook knew Ataru--not specifying that the style in the picture is necessarily Ataru), but I don't want to get into a revert war with you in the Niman article. Do you think we can at least take that Drallig one off, or maybe replace the video game image with the Episode III one? I'm going to try that; let me know what you think. -BaronGrackle 22:00, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, Vatrir. The main problem with both of those images is that they are not verified pictures of the forms in question. I came on here to talk about your use of the Cin Drallig image in the Form VI: Niman article. We have verification that Drallig knew Form VI, but he also knew Forms I-V. We don't really have any way of knowing whether he is using Form VI when fighting Darth Vader in that image, so, while it looks terrific on Drallig's own page, it is potentially misleading in the one on Niman.


 * Okay, I've been looking at pictures of other people using the Ataru openning stance, all of them verified to have only been using Ataru at the time, and all of them match the Vrook Lamar pic I put in, its just the Vrook Lamar pic is the only one that shows it from directly in front.

I can understand the removal of the Cin Drallig pic. Darth Vatrir
 * The reason I changed and continue to change the Vrook Lamar pic to Qui-Gon is because that pic is meant to show the opening stance of Ataru, and you were changing a high-def promotional shot to a somewhat blurry video game pic- it looked bad. Second of all, from now on, if you are going to add anything to the Form IV and Form V articles, I would like it to be sourced. If anything, just mention it in the edit summary. I've worked very hard to get those articles completely sourced/featured so I'm pretty much reverting all content that I can't find the source for in those two articles, per Sourcing. Atarumaster88  16:25, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, please stop changing all the pictures around arbitrarily without discussing it on the talk page first. There is no point in doing that and more often than not it messes with the layout. Atarumaster88  16:27, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The main image on Form IV I don't see a problem with changing, but others might, so please discuss it on the talk page first.


 * Ok, how about we use the Obi-Wan pic I have hear, because its a full body shot of the Ataru guard, as that was the only style Obi-Wan practised at the time. Darth Vatrir
 * I personally am still a bigger fan of the Qui-Gon one, just because it more accurately shows the vertical posture, but that one does show the legs, so I'm fine with it. Atarumaster88  15:42, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I am reasonably sure not everyone can hold their lightsaber perfectly straight. Darth Vatrir
 * I am absolutely sure that you should stop adding unsourced information to the saber form articles and changing all the pictures randomly. I strongly suggest you take a look at Sourcing and start using the tags for your contributions. I will revert anything you (or anyone for that matter) add to Form IV and Form V if you don't source it with those tags, and you changing all the pictures is just getting annoying, and it looks bad on the layout. Atarumaster88  19:39, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't add Serra Keto to Form IV without a source please. I'm 95% certain I've read all of the material that references Ataru, and Serra's name never even shows up. For the second or third time, please check your source material before editing an article. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:49, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Its the Serra Keto article that mentions her practicing Ataru, and I though whomever put it there would have sourced it, so please excuse my mistake. Darth Vatrir
 * You're excused. May I remind you that Wookieepedia is not a primary source, so it's a good idea to double check everything. I already removed the info from the Serra Keto article, but please be careful of adding information without sourcing it yourself. And many other articles aren't as heavily patrolled as I do on the saber forms. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 20:19, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Read the edit summary, please. Sion's use of Makashi is total fanon. I've tried to be patient with you, but you keep adding fanon to the articles, even after being warned to check your sources. Do it again, and you will be banned. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:47, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I've been checking the discussion page on Sion's article about his lightsaber combat, there are no statements that say he doesn't practise Makashi and Shien, most of them encourage the idea. So don't bug just me. Darth Vatrir
 * Oh, I've just visited the Sion page and seen that the Makashi and Shien mentions are gone. My earlier journeys to the Sion page had them there. Well, at least my mistakes are bringing those sorts of things to light. Darth Vatrir
 * Vatrir, when I removed it the first time, I left an edit summary stating that Sion's use was fanon. You put it back anyway. You had no source aside from a Wookieepedia article, which sadly are not always correct, but you put the material back. I don't give a flip what another Wookieepedia page says- if you add a practitioner to any saber forms page, you should have an officially canon source for it, or I will a) revert it and b) give you a short block because I'm tired of telling you to not add fanon and you do it anyway without checking your sources. Along those lines, did your read about Serra's saber form somewhere, or did you make it up? Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:38, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Regarding the Serra Keto thing, I read about it somewhere a few years back. I think it might have been an article on Starwar.com, but it was years ago. Darth Vatrir
 * Well, add it back if you find the article. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 19:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Happy Birthday To Me!
Happy birthday to me

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Happy birthday to Darth Vatrir

Happy birthday to me

On this day, May 31, 2007 at 18:07 I celebrate my 16th birthday. I am happy and in a glorious mood today, so I hope you all have a good one. Darth Vatrir

Lightsaber combat
Thanks adding the infoboxes -Darthtyler

More lightsaber forms stuff

 * I reverted your edits to Form IV and Form V. Your edits to Form V moved the article out of chronological order, which was carefully written to be that way. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 13:41, 23 July 2007 (UTC)

Ki-Adi-Mundi

 * What is your source for Ki-Adi-Mundi being a Jedi Guardian? If you don't provide a source, I will remove it. Thanks, [[Image:AckbarSig.jpg|20px]]  TheOne&OnlyAdmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 16:40, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The source is on the Jedi Guardian page, its the Power of the Jedi sourcebook. I'm still trying to figure out how you add those source number things. Darth Vatrir
 * The information on how to add the footnotes can be found at Sourcing. Speaking of that, I liked your expansion to Form VII, but it would be great to get it sourced. Thanks. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 13:25, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

Warning
Please do not remove content from Wookieepedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Greyman ( Paratus ) 22:30, 1 August 2007 (UTC)