Talk:Revan/Legends

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Jar'Kai Concept Art
Sorry for being a bother. Is there any source that proves that the picture of Revan wielding two lightsabers is concept art? I was almost *certain* that I'd come across it before as fanart on another website, though I might be imagining things. Cheers.(Ulicus 15:45, 22 October 2006 (UTC))

- I can vouch for that as I saw that picture at fanart site. KOTORfanMedia.com or something like that. Incedently I should be probably register...

End scenes of Forces of Corruption (SPOILERS)
On the Petroglyph Fan Forums, someone posted several screens from the end scenes of the historical campaign in Empire at War: Forces of Corruption. Now this contains some spoilers, so read on on your own incentive:

Apparently, Silri (Tyber Zann's henchman) uses a Sith Holocron (stolen by Zann from Jabba before the game even begins) to summon a map, showing the location of what appears to be Revan's final resting place. She goes there and there's thousands of Sith troopers encased in carbonite, with what appears to be a statue of Revan in the middle of the hall. Anyone with the game able to elaborate what's going on? :P VT-16 16:04, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Ooooh... --Imp 17:05, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Indeed VT-16 18:11, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Can we be sure it's Revan? =) --Imp 18:17, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The players there appear to think so. At least the person has Sith troopers lined up like Terracotta soldiers.
 * EDIT: Appears someone on TFN has played the game and said there's nothing to indicate it's Revan. Apparently, the place is one of the Emperor's storehouses. VT-16 18:48, 27 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Would this not indicate that, ultimately, Revan's life ended as a darksider? Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 19:01, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Not really. --Imp 19:07, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * (1) Those look nothing like Sith troopers and (2) that's a statue of someone wearing hooded robes with a sword, which means it could be absolutely anyone. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 13:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I noticed that actually, it honestl could be anyone. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 14:11, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

A grey jedi?
Would anyone clasify Revan as a grey jedi? Just something to think about?

Master Nikolce 04:59, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly, a grey Jedi is classified as a Jedi who is no longer part of the Order, but hasn't fallen to the dark side. I don't think this term would apply to Revan, since he most definatly fell to the dark side first, and then returned to the Order later. Master Kavar 06:22, 1 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I think of him as a Grey Jedi after the events of KOTOR 1, where he left to the Unknown Regions. Besides, he would probably get kicked out of the Jedi if/when the council found out about him and Bastila. MPK 13:41, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Revan wore Qel-Droma's Robes?
Right now, the article dealing with Revan's robes states at the end: ''Although the light side ending was canon, whether Revan obtained the different style "Star Forge Robe" remains unknown. If Duron Qel-Droma's vision was accurate, then Revan wore the Qel-Droma Robe that were lost on Korriban after the death of Duron. However according to the vision, Revan would still wear his hallmark, the impressive mask.'' Now I've studied that picture pretty closely, and I have to say that isn't Qel-Droma's robes, they're Revan's original robe, complete with cloak and helmet. Where did this idea of Qel-Droma's robes come from? Master Kavar 07:06, 5 November 2006 (UTC) Actually, with my modded game I can get everything to work out perfectly with Shadows and Light :P (Ulicus 01:35, 7 November 2006 (UTC))
 * Shadows and Light. It says that Revan will wear the Quel Droma robes. By the appearance of the robe, it looks like Revan will wear his helmet, the Quel-Droma  robe (looks more like a cloak). But it's possible that he could be wearing the Star Forge robes under it. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 07:41, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hm...I still can't see it, it just looks like Revan's regular robes and cloak to me. But if that's what it actually says in Shadows and Light that's good enough for me. Master Kavar 07:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's just a case of seperating the GAME appearance from the actual appearance. The Qel-Droma robes were, more or less, just a cloak with a hood in reality, whilst in the game they were the same as all the other Jedi robes. Whilst game mechanics prevent Revan from wearing the Star Forge robes AND the Qel-Droma robes, there's nothing stopping him canonically from having done both. The mask he's wearing clearly isn't his "Sith" mask either, as it's got the "T-visor", which the mask he's most associated with lacks. (Ulicus 17:44, 5 November 2006 (UTC))
 * I still call it "book mechanics". The comic illustration lacked the ability to let the reader select his/her favourite version of Revan, so it chose to keep the mask in its interpretation of his confrontation with Malak. Forget that it is impossible for that to have happened in the game, and forget that the game is the only reason anyone cares about Revan. -BaronGrackle 17:55, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Exile Meets Revan?
Why is there a tag for Exile Meets Revan by the Mandalorian Wars section? Does it belong there, and if it's fanon and doesn't then why is it still there? --Veneficus 18:31, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe it's gone now. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 19:22, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Talents
I expanded the section on Swoop racing into a full on talents section. It could probably use some work but the basics are pretty much mapped out.(Ulicus 02:58, 7 November 2006 (UTC))
 * Any mistakes spotted are down to it being 3am here. Now I'm going to sleep. Later guys. (Ulicus 03:05, 7 November 2006 (UTC))
 * Looks good to me, makes a nice improvement. The only thing I would add is that while Revan couldn't understand the Rakatan Droid on Dantooine, he can easily understand any real Rakatan speech. I would guess that Revan can read the speakers meaning through the Force rather than the words, the reason why he couldn't do the same with the Sand People is because their extreme xenophobia purposefully hides their thoughts from Revan. Master Kavar 03:24, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Great section! Just one thing:

"What can I say? I’m a talented individual."

- Revan (possibly)

I know it sais possibly, but this is conjectural, nonetheless. Isn't their another quote we could use? - Yoshi626 04:00, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

There should be a talents section of his force powers and lightsaber combat here are some of revens powers
 * thought bomb
 * force fire
 * caneliing poison
 * force drain
 * force lighting
 * Drain Knowledge
 * battle precognition
 * Force bonding

I think revan was a jedi Consular being that Form VI or Niman is popular with consular and his interest in sith magic 74.129.45.167 05:24, 7 November 2006 (UTC)Tonyman1989
 * A section for Revan's force powers is a good idea, but Revan didn't know the thought-bomb, and I'm pretty sure Revan couldn't just create Force bonds spontaniously like the Exile. Hope you don't mind, I edited your post so that the Force powers were in list form. Yoshi - I think the quote listed is fine, it matches with the cocky personality that Bioware writers gave him. Master Kavar 05:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

thank you but from reading Darth Bane Path of Destruction that he learned it from revan and is there any powers that i missed that we know revan had? 74.129.45.167 05:56, 7 November 2006 (UTC)tonyman1989

And Mical talked about revans study on force bonds. 74.129.45.167 05:58, 7 November 2006 (UTC)tonyman1989
 * Could you cite that for me, an exact quote from the book or something? It sounds believable enough, but I'd like to make sure. Master Kavar 06:50, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

-on page 229 it talks about the powerful rituals from revans helocron and since the thought bomb is a ritural it is morew then likly on there

-page 281 they talk about the force storm he said he leaned from revan and said it is simlar to the thought bomb but weaker.

- he also so sends the info on the thought bomb to kaan form lehon on the same kind of paper he was writing the info from revans helocron on right after learning everything on the holocron

So it never says he leanrned it from Revan in words but it is very big give in.74.129.45.167 07:40, 7 November 2006 (UTC)tonyman1989

With the Force bonds and comparison to the Exile, Kavar, I've just put it in because it is speculated often during KotOR 2 that Revan was using such a technique. I mean, the fact that he goes in depth into studying Force bonds *just* before he leads a massive faction of the jedi to war seems kinda fishy to me and it is commented on by K2 characters. It's not the same thing as the Exile is doing in KotOR 2 - where she is actively 'hearing the Force' through her companions, and ciphoning the power of those she kills - it's just the "influence" bit that they might share. Oh, and Kavar, those were some good ideas on why Revan can't understand the rakatan speech from the droid... but he has no problem understanding the selkath droid language from the machine..

@ Yoshi, yeah, I'm aware the opening quote is conjectural, which is why I had "possibly" there. I liked it purely because it directly mentioned talents and most other quotes deal with Revan's force senstitivity exclusively. If it continues to be a problem for a lot of people however, I'm sure that there's another quote we can use.

@ With Revan's "force powers", I am very reluctant to give off a "list" as it comes across looking silly. Instead, would it not be better to have a new subsection in the talents box called "Thirst for Knowledge" or whathaveyou, explaining Revan's drive to learn more about the Force constantly? We could talk about the Sith rituals that Revan uncovered, such as the thought bomb, in this section. (Ulicus 11:03, 7 November 2006 (UTC))
 * I can see where you're coming from on the Force bond thing, but since even in K2 they only say Revan studied force bonds, it might be a better idea to just state that Revan was well versed on the subject and then draw parralels with his supposed natural charisma, leadership, and maybe his bond to Bastila. About that droid; I completly forgot that Revan could understand the Selkath language spoken by the droid, so that blows my theory out of the water. But it's strange that Revan couldn't understand the Rakatan spoken by the droid, but can understand the Rakatan trapped in the obelisk, and that can take place before the revelation scene. The droid spoke a different Rakatan dialect maybe? Master Kavar 17:44, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * All I have done is draw parallels on the Force bonding issue. I've not said "this is definitely what he was doing", just that it has been suggested that he was. It seems to have been heavily implied in KotoR 2 however, especially since Kreia all but tells us that Revan was doing the same thing as the Jedi Exile in terms of influence. As for the languages. Yeah, I thought at first that Revan had learnt a more "Modern" Rakatan, and therefore couldn't understand the "ancient" rakatan - but as you said, he could speak to the rakata in the obelisk and he was more than capable of communicating with the ancient rakatan computer inside the Temple of the Ancients. It's weird. (Ulicus 19:20, 7 November 2006 (UTC))

-- For reference


 * Exile: I have noticed their behaviour changing. Atton especially.
 * Kreia: The fool dances in your shadow for your favor. The disciple... he worships you quietly. The alien obeys you. Even within the machines, there are echoes. Watch them carefully, see their patterns, and recognize the strength in it. Influence can be a weapon, one that you may need before your journey is done.
 * Exile: You have a point. I will reflect upon this.
 * Kreia: Good - and then act upon it. It is a powerful tool to motivate others. That was Revan’s way, I believe. It was a strength.
 * Exile: What do you mean?
 * Kreia: [Influence: Success] Have you never asked yourself how Revan took the Republic and Jedi beneath him, how he made them his?
 * Exile: (Any response)
 * Kreia: Ah, but to make officers turn on their own people, to bomb innocent worlds to make pacts... strong influence, indeed.

Revan manipulating his followers through the Force is pretty heavily implied there. (Ulicus 19:38, 7 November 2006 (UTC)) Cocky indeed. Master Kavar 05:59, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Or that he had the gift of the gab. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 20:46, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * ("it matches with the cocky personality that Bioware writers gave him." - Master Kavar) Could you show me an example of him being cocky? - Yoshi626 03:32, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think we both know the real reason you've been watching me.
 * I would've harnessed that power sooner. - To Canderous
 * So Malak was the original meat bag? I like that.
 * You thought it was luck Calo? Let's go again!
 * You're Malak's apprentice? Can't say I'm impressed.
 * Is your lightsaber compensating for something Malak?
 * Yeah, you can play cocky, but that's only ONE of the "personalities" offered by BioWare. There's nothing to say that you have to play Revan as a cocky guy. Though I tend to. (Ulicus 11:15, 8 November 2006 (UTC))

Revan didn't creat HK-47, HK was created by Czerker Corp. according to NEGD New Essential Guide to Droids, and was simply given to Revan by them in their allinace, HK is a line of droids (hunter killer) why would Revan give his droid the name of an already established line and making him the 47th not the 1st. All kotor said was that Revan was his orignial master, and Revan knew how to operate on him.
 * HK stands for Hunter-Killer and has nothiong to do with who made the droid. HK was made by Revan, not given too him. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 19:28, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * If the Essential Guide to Droids actually states that, it's probably nothing more than a mistake, probably because HK's profile on Bioware's site states that he was rumored to have been constructed by Czerka. After HK recovers his memories he says "Statement: Yes, master. You created me shortly after you and your apprentice began your war to conquer the galaxy.". Space Ball 01:30, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Revan in KOTOR #9
Going from KOTOR #10, the hooded Jedi that appeared before the Jedi Council in KOTOR issue 9 is actually the master of Squint. That would mean that it can't be Revan. Kuralyov 21:11, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Why is that? A Jedi Knight can have a Padawan. Of course, if Alek turns out to be Malak, we will have a continuity problem&hellip; – 22:54, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Why? As far as the name is concerned, "Alek" could be to "Malak" what "Jim" is to "James". Likewise "Big Breakaway" of Malak and Revan hasn't occured yet, so Malak would is still allowed to be a padawan at this point. It's also not impossible for Revan to have been knighted and Malak to have switched masters and studied beneath him. Master hopping isn't unheard of in this era after all...(Ulicus 15:33, 28 November 2006 (UTC))
 * (see Image:MalakRecruiter.jpg) The Exile's vision on Korriban establishes that Malak was a great deal taller than Alek and that he already had tattoos on his head at that point in time (ie. when the Mandalorians invaded). Apart from that, Malak has brown eyes while Alek has light blue eyes. Lastly, every source refers to Revan and Malak as equals before they became Sith, but the mysterious hooded Jedi in the comics (who I think everyone knows is Revan) is known to be Alek's master. At first, I thought that Alek could be Malak, but it just isn't making sense&hellip; – 19:19, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm, the only thoroughly convicing point (for me) is the issue of eye colour. I'm inclined to believe that the height thing is because of graphics - I don't think we're supposed to believe that every single person who's not a main character in the galaxy is the same height as a scout for instance (just as I don't believe we're meant to think that so many people are wearing the same face). The tattoos are a non-issue at this point, since that recruitment scene has yet to occur - Revan has yet to properly break away from the Jedi Council and it almost certainly seems to be set after that period.


 * Additionally, it's untrue to say that every source refers to Revan and Malak as equals before their Sith days. The Mandalorians, in almost every instance, talk purely about Revan. The Jedi Masters tell us that Revan was "always the leader, the more powerful of the pair" and that the call to war was Revan's, with Malak simply being the first to join (though they play up his role in the Republic victories more than the Mandalorians do). Atton speaks of Revan alone being the one who saved them, yada yada.


 * So, ultimately, I think that think Malak=Alek could be quite easily reconciled. It doesn't have to be the case of course, but I wouldn't be surprised if it happened.(Ulicus 22:45, 28 November 2006 (UTC))
 * I wouldn't be too surprised either and, in fact, I am rather hoping that he does turn out to be Malak. By the way, when I stated that "every source refers to Revan and Malak as equals", I was referring to Jedi rank, not power or notoriety. When the Jedi Masters talk about Revan and Malak's training, they almost always lump them together which would seem to imply that they were of equal status. A loading screen also states that Malak accepted his role as Revan's Sith apprentice only grudgingly, which doesn't seem to make very much sense if they had had such a relationship before. For reference, this is what Malak tells the Exile:"'Do not head the words of the Jedi Council. The Republic will fall if we do not act now. Already the Mandalorians have taken three systems along the Outer Rim. They will only grow stronger with time. Come stand with me. We will use our might to help the Republic in its time of need. Join Revan and I. Together, we will battle this menace.'"His statement, "Already the Mandalorians have taken three systems along the Outer Rim.", would seem to place the recruitment of the Exile very soon after the events of Flashpoint, Part 3.– 23:21, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough comments Sentry- your reasoning is sound. Though I'm usually a huge continuity nut and hate little inconsistances, I think that Alek=Malak has such good dramatic potential that I'm willing to let it slide. Regardless of "who he is", it now seems certain that Alek is destined to be a Sith, especially with the attention that JJM drew to the fact that he was wearing a red spacesuit. I'm also willing to let stuff like Revan being the "master" referred to so often slide if it makes for a better story. Actually, on that note, it seems that the current party line is that Revan *was* a Jedi Master (Path of Destruction refers to him as a "Redeemed Jedi Master" for example)... so maybe... ah, whatever. We'll see. I'm sure it'll be good whatever happens. (Ulicus 01:51, 3 December 2006 (UTC))
 * Which means he time to get some tattoos. The comic seems to be going heavy on the forshadowing with the red suit and what he says about painting tattoos on their heads. But all this is really pointless speculation. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 00:04, 29 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe there is already a reason why he can't be Malak. As stated on Alek's article: "Some fans theorize that Alek may be Revan or Malak. However, this is impossible as Revan led the Jedi into the Mandalorian Wars and Malak was the first to join his cause—Squint was just one of many that followed."-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 00:20, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

I think that KotOR #9 is crying out that the cloaked Jedi in the council chamber is Revan. Just consider that it's just after the hooded guy leaves that master Vrook tells Lucien "If we're going to have a Jedi Council at all, then somebody, somewhere must do what it tells them!". I mean isn't that likely referring to Revan considering the background of the story? And additionally, all of a sudden, Lucien speaks of "revanchism", a possible word from which "Revan" stems. Consider also that Alek, the hooded guy's apprentice, is wearing a red spacesuit, much like the one in the covenant's dream. And Malak, Revan's apprentice is the one that destroys the council on Dantooine and puts the whole Jedi Order in peril. If you look past the fact that Malak is taller than Alek and the eye colour issue, it is VERY possible that those dudes are Revan and Malak.

Revan's possible lightsaber...
Dear sir, creater of the "Revan" Wookiepedia article, I beleive that I have a possible answer for question about Revan's origanal lightsaber color, and why he has two lightsabers.

Perhaps it is because when he was part of the order, his lightsaber was a violet color, like Master Zez-Kai Ell's lightsaber. Once he had left the order, and became Lord Revan, he created a Sith lightsaber, but perhaps he never dropped his old lightsaber. Perhaps that is the idea that when the Jedi Exile sees Revan in her vision, she sees him with his two lightsabers, the one he had when he was a part of the Jedi Order, and his Sith lightsaber.

However, I am not sure at all if this is the case, but perhaps this is a possible answer...

(Contributed by Wookieepedia Member Marko14126)

Revan = male?
sorry to bother, but i'm pretty much positive that revan can be female, too, depending on which gender you choose to play...
 * While you can choose Revan's gender in the game, Revan is canonically male. And Wookieepedia follows canon information. -  Yoshi  626 [[Image:Yoshiegg.jpg|20px]] 01:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And please don't start a "Exile = female?" topic in the Jedi Exile's talk page.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 03:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

Legendary Jedi Knight
Would it be fair to have Revan introduced as a "legendary Jedi Knight", ala Anakin Skywalker and Ben Kenobi? He and Malak were quite clearly the "Kenobi and Skywalker" of the day and I'm planning on doing the same for Malak's introduction. (Ulicus 19:29, 10 December 2006 (UTC))
 * Legendary sounds kind of POV to me. --Imp 22:40, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, but in that case, should it not be removed from Anakin and Obi's articles? (128.243.220.22 03:02, 11 December 2006 (UTC))
 * ^^^ = (Ulicus 03:03, 11 December 2006 (UTC))

Image

 * The image for the Mandalorian Wars is the image of Malak betraying Revan (in the Jedi Civil War). Anyone have another to fit it more acurately? In the meantime, I'll move this Image to another section. Bredd13 22:27, 10 December 2006 (UTC)