Talk:Bail Prestor Organa/Archive1

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Content
This article should probably focus more on Organa as a character, including his crucial role in the early stages of the Alliance with Mon Mothma and Garm Bel Iblis. --SparqMan 03:30, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. As is, the article has zero content. Also there are rumors that Antilles is Bail Organa's maiden name, since he married the Queen of Alderaan, whose family name is Organa. --Gen.d 15:42, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Those rumours are false. Bail's surname is Organa. Another character is Bail Antilles. Bail's wife - Breha Organa - was born Breha Antilles, though. 21:53, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * So the Royal House of Alderaan's name was Antilles? --Gen.d 22:41, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
 * No, it's Organa. It goes like this. There is a Bail Antilles. There is also a Bail Organa. Two different people. Bail Antilles has two children - Raymus Antilles and Breha Antilles. Breha married Bail Organa and becomes Breha Organa. They adopt Leia. Raymus Antilles is the father of Colton Antilles. All of these characters are totally unrelated to Wedge Antilles. QuentinGeorge 10:17, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Turns out, there's no such person as Colton Antilles. Check the Raymus Antilles article for details. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 03:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Picture
The dead space on that picture has been bugging me for a while, so I cropped it. Since there doesn't seem to be a real standard (headshots vs. full body), I'll let everyone decide: [Removed link to deleted image. -- Ozzel 03:36, 22 March 2006 (UTC)] 

I could always crop tighter on the full body picture, but that would mean one really loooong infobox. So which one? -- Ozzel 07:39, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I like the close-up on the left much better. --Azizlight 07:52, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Closeup, definately. QuentinGeorge 09:05, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I prefered that one, too. Looks much better now. -- Ozzel 03:36, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Death
In the article, it says Bail died in 0 BBY. I assume this is because of the destruction of Alderaan. But didn't he greet Leia though, on Yavin, and Leia says that she was worried he had been killed. If this is a completely different person, or I have imagined this scene, please correct me. Mastermundi 15:44, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

You know the message Leia put in R2-D2 in Episode IV? It said 'please see this droid safely delivered to him on Alderaan'. Assuming he didn't leave he would have been kiled in the Destruction of Alderaan. Thanks. I never realised he died. Mastermundi 09:16, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * That's Commander Willard. -- Ozzel 20:58, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you sure that he died? I thought I read somewhere that he survived and was seen on one of the lower levels of Coruscant. Springerjkreb 20:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Star Wars Databank: "Bail Organa was killed when the Death Star destroyed Alderaan." I already changed the article to say he died --GMo 18:05, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

ATTENTION!
To whoever deleted my gambling refrence, it is CONFIRMED Bail illegaly gambled in Jedi Quest numero Three The Dangerous Games! Please read the book before deleting it AGAIN! ELV
 * no it hasent your wrong Jimbo123321
 * Do you even OWN any of the Jedi Quest books? If not than STFU! It deliberatly names Organa as placing illegal bets. DO NOT HARASS ME UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THE HECK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!

As late as my comment may be, it is for both of you.

One: Jimbo, if you tell someone they are wrong, actually GIVE a description on how he/she is wrong.

Two: For 71.146.158.221, indeed he doesn't look like he has no idea what he is talking about, and I agree, but you don't need to yell and talk like that.--Shade  17:19, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Main Image
Any objections? -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png Talk 20:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Nothing against it, but I didn't see what was wrong with the old one. -- Ozzel 22:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Not a matter of anything being wrong with an image. It's a matter of an image being better. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png Talk 22:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * So if this one is better, then that means the other one is worse. I don't really see anything particularly "better" about either of them. -- Ozzel 03:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Then...what's the problem? -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png Talk 04:09, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * There's not one. I just didn't think there was one before, either. -- Ozzel 04:11, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with Ozzel. Why fix something that isn't broken? --Tinwe 14:45, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Be-cauuse...It's Bail Organa, Switch, Bail Organa. .  .  .  .  02:52, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with it, but I'd like to keep the other one someplace other than a gallery. -- Darth Culator  (Talk)(Kills) 03:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

The controversy is older than you think
Marvel Star Wars gives Leia's father as Bail "Antillies". Anyone noticed that? MoffRebus 12:03, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Where? Cull Tremayne 12:19, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Father-in-law?
The fact that Antilles is his father-in-law is being disputed over in the Bail Antilles article. I believe it's fanon. Should the disputed tag be added here, as well? --JMM 15:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Prestor
Might I ask what source this middle name comes from? I haven't been able to find it in the article. --  Riffsyphon  1024 14:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's from The Paradise Snare novel. --Darth Paulus 19:48, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe the original source for "Prestor" was the Star Wars radio drama, which did not even use "Bail" at all. --JMM 20:40, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the ORIGINAL source was indeed SWRD, but TPS is definitely the source where Prestor is used as part of Bail's name. --Darth Paulus 23:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Prince Consort? Ruler?
This is a bit confusing. In most monarchies, the term "Consort" denotes the spouse of the sovereign who has no real authority. Example, in Great Britain, Prince Phillip is the husband and consort of Queen Elizabeth II who was the daughter of George VI. She is the sovereign monarch. He is not. Furthermore, King George VI married his wife Elizabeth who was the "Queen Consort", etc.

So, if Bail Organa is the "Prince Consort" then he has no real royal power. His wife Queen Breha is the true sovereign of Alderaan. But, it is highly possible that Queen Breha is herself the ceremonial head of state and that she likely appointed her husband to Viceroy and First Chairman (or he was elected) to handle the day to day operations of running Alderaan. This makes more sense given that "Viceroy" means deputy ruler.

In essence, it means that the House of Antilles, from which Breha reportedly hails, was the ruling house of Alderaan and not the House of Organa.

Bail's mother, Queen Mazicia, presents a another wrench in the proverbial engine, if she was in fact, the "ruler" of Alderaan before Bail. This is major screwed up because Bail would be King upon her death and not Prince. In the original script, Princess Leia's father was a king.
 * This is actually something I've been wondering about myself. Maybe on Alderaan only women can rule? It would make sense, since it is emphasized that Bail and Breha wanted to adopt a baby girl who would become their heir, as they couldn't have children of their own (My wife and I will take the girl. We've always talked of adopting a baby girl, as Bail says in ROTS). This would be the logical explanation, but it presents another problem: Why didn't any of Bail's three sisters become the next queen after Mazicia? I don't know, maybe the oldest child inherited the crown despite of the gender (I'm assuming Bail was the oldest of the four), but in the case the heir was a man, his wife became the sovereign and he became the viceroy. Great, now I'm even more confused than when I started. :) --Tinwe 16:22, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Senator?
He was still a Senator until 0 BBY, specifically when Palpatine removes the senate right? The Secret Apprentice  ( Personal Comm ) 00:25, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

No, he was a senator until 1 BBY, until he gave his position to Leia. DC 17:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Discrepancy
Why would he be senator until 1 BBY (And Leia be one after him) if the Emperor knew that he was a rebel? Why would he still atted the senate? Shouldn't they have gone into hiding? Stormie Fan 19:26, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Also there's the fact that he and Leia knew about the Death Star years earlier given that he was actually there. 66.231.141.34 00:44, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Retribution for Rebellion?
Is there any retconning to explain why the Empire didn't off/imprison Leia after they found out Bail was one of the leaders of the Rebellion? It seems like they would use her to pressure him into turning himself in... I liked TFU but some of the plot stretches they made were a bit tough to buy. Fly Boy 17:46, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, this is but one of TFU's little contributions to canon that are pretty bad when compared to the timeline. As such, there's no workarounds as of yet. 17:57, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Between this and The Clone Wars, two really major parts of canon have been retconned this year. Personally, I just tell myself that The Clone Wars happens near the end of the war and Palpatine didn't bother to identify the Rebels yet. - Milo Fett [Comlink] 22:28, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

Strange choice
In TFU, Bail gets arrested and he's sent before the Emperor on the first Death Star. Even though he manages to escape, he will always be tracked down by the Empire, and yet, he decides to go back to Alderaan, where he's eventually killed when the Death Star destroys the planet. I believe the own planet of a fugitive isn't the best hiding place in the galaxy... Also, why would Leïa become an imperial senator? Her father is considered as a traitor and it's obvious that Bail strongly influenced her. I suppose the Emperor would have had at least a few suspicions on her loyalty. (Mister D 01:52, 25 September 2008 (UTC)Mister D)
 * Maybe it was a part of Palpatine's plan to let him stay alive for awhile. But still TFU really messes up with the continuity, like the Death Star being discovered in 2 BBY. QuiGonJinn  (Comlink)Quigonheadshot.jpg
 * Maybe Palpatine hadn't yet bothered to identify the Rebel leaders. Or maybe he had a "senior moment" and forgot all about the incident. - Milo Fett [Comlink] 22:57, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Remember, in the Databank on the game, it says that Palpatine couldnt wipe out Bail because of his influence in the Senate. He would have unified all the decent Senators and the Rebellion would have become a threat much quicker than it did. And if Palpatine used his brains, he would at least guess that Bail would know where some of the remaining Jedi are, and that he may know about Anakin's children. He would want him alive to interrogate him. And theres also the fact that the Death Star was being built. Maybe he was waiting to use his new toy on him. Sithlordsforever 15:23, 20 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The databank was referring to Bail's position before the events of the game. It wouldn't make sense to explain what happened afterwards halfway through. - Milo Fett [Comlink] 21:59, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Protected
I thought I'd left a message on Drachenfyre's talk page but it doesn't seem to be there so I must've saved it. I'll explain my reasoning for the reverts: some of the terms used in his version don't appear to be supported in canon and are based on real-world supposition. Also, articles shouldn't link to Wikipedia like that. I checked in IRC before reverting the second time and CavalierOne and Jaymach had the same concerns as me. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 16:34, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Hostage Crisis
Where would the events of Hostage Crisis fit into the article?  ZEM  talk to me!   16:37, 16 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Nowhere, The Clone Wars is non-canon. - Milo Fett [Comlink] 23:53, 17 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I am pretty sure it is canon, and even if it isn't it still belongs in the article.  ZEM  talk to me!   13:17, 18 March 2009 (UTC)


 * I know, I was jk. Probably between the events of Republic and Episode III. - Milo Fett [Comlink] 13:41, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, that is what I thought.  ZEM  talk to me!   17:16, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Age?
I was wondering if anyone would know what Bail Organa's age was at the destruction of Alderaan. I see things about his early life, but no date as to when he was born for me to figure it out for myself. If someone knows that, it would be awesome to find out ^_^
 * As far as I know, Bail Organa's birth year hasn't been specified in any of the official sources. My best guess is that since Jimmy Smits was 45 when the filming of Attack of the Clones began, Bail Organa would have also been around that age in 22 BBY. So that would make him about 65-70 at the time of Alderaan's destruction. But like I said, this is all just guessing at this point. Tinwe 09:05, September 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * What do you know&mdash;Bail's birth year (67 BBY) has indeed been stated in The Official Star Wars Fact File 140. Tinwe (comlink) 13:13, February 24, 2011 (UTC)