Talk:Ebon Hawk

Origin
I think it was a Corellian freighter, like the Falcon. Also, I think it should be mentioned that the ship was an advanced prototype by the time of KOTOR I and that it explains its not-so-ancient look. - Sikon 16:29, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm. The official Databank lists the Hawk's homeworld as Taris, at the same time saying "Manufacturer: Unknown". Is it safe to assume that the ship was produced on Taris? - Sikon 10:39, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Scratch that. The Selkath judge on Manaan says the Ebon Hawk's registry comes from Transel. - Sikon [ Talk ] 15:18, 26 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Further I think Sikon's claim of "advanced prototype" is hyperbole. We know these ships were in use; two of them are crashed on Dxun, remnants of the Republic fleet from the Mandalorian Wars, which proceeded the events of KotOR.  It seems unlikely to me that the Republic would own only a handful of such ships in the face of their large numbers of cruisers and fighters.  No, I believe this was a mass production design preferred by the Republic, but not of Corellian design.  Davik's ship itself however may well have been a significantly uprated model then most, however. Piroko 16:53, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Gap
I think the article lacks significant information about what happened before KOTOR II (how the Exile got there unconscious, why do we see it damaged etc). I would do it myself but I haven't cleared it up in my mind either MoffRebus 23:50, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * We don't know what happened before the Ebon Hawk boarded the Harbinger, except that it was damaged by the Sith. - Sikon [ Talk ] 14:55, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * But it doesn't even say who had the Hawk that moment, or why the Harbringer boarded it MoffRebus 19:31, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Aparently when Revan left Bastila prgramed T3 to go for help if something happened to revan so aparently the exile was in the harbinger when the ebon hawk arrived for the exiles help to get him/her to Revan.

Juhani's nook
On the Ebon Hawk, wasn't the kitchen where Juhani was in? When I examined the room closely, I saw what appeared to be sinks and given the nature of SW technology, it's possible to hide cooking consoles so they look like unassuming countertops until needed (so they press a button to reveal a cooking console when they need to use it.) What other kind of room do you think it is and why? Someone suggested it might be storage, but isn't storage where the smuggling compartment is, and where you find Sasha, the stowaway girl from Dantooine? --68.102.193.78 23:13, 25 May 2006 (UTC) I think that the kitchen is one of the side rooms Possibly Jolee Bindo's. what we need is a schematic of the ship --Dumac 05:15, 2 July 2006 (UTC) Odd how all the people in the galaxy are just fine with no toilets.--Malak 08:52, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It's the storage closet. When the Exile first asks HK when he reactivates him, he asks "what were you doing in our storage closet?" --Redemption 23:27, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe it used to be a kitchen before converting into a storage closet, and isn't the cargo hold a storage closet of sorts? After all, do you notice the sinks in that room? --68.102.193.78 02:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It's a storage closet. That's all. We can't go on the basis of "maybe" a kitchen.--Redemption 02:36, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Jolee's room is the medical room. The kitchen simply doesn't exist in-game. --Redemption 05:18, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Neither does any toilet, for some reason... - Sikon [ Talk ] 06:13, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, very odd indeed. What I'd like to know is how come there isn't a lab station in the medical room (KotOR II). Bredd13 20:45, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Remember that many storage closets will often contain sinks for washing mops and rags, emptying buckets and for cleaning misc. items. Chervil 19:22, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

The faith of ebon hawk
I don't wanna edit the main page and mess up everything, but in the new expansion of SW Galaxies (the PC MMORPG) Ebon Hawk is crashed into Mustafar with HK47's memory loaded into it's computer.
 * I think you mean "fate." Bredd13 20:44, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you sure it was the Ebon Hawk? HK-47's page says it was a Republic cruiser.  Sarendipity  ( Talk to me ) 20:22, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Meaning the Ebon Hawk could have been used as a Republic Cruiser, but then again I haven't seen the "Republic Cruiser" page, granted their is one. Of course, if I'm wrong, please feel free to give me grief about it... -Kath.Hound 07:15, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

How fast is the hyperdrive?
Does anyone know what the speed of the hyperdrive is? Since Davik said it was really fast i'm assuming its .5 past lightspeed.

Well compared to the tech in the Movie's time that's over 1,000 years old so the hyperdrive would be fast for it's time but not really fast.--Malak 08:56, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Do not assume any numbers. Wookieepedia will only state officially confirmed ones. - Sikon [ Talk ] 09:35, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

picture of ebon hawk crew
uh right should that picture be there in the middle of the artilce? Groode hdoge 23:32, 7 October 2006 (UTC) When did the Ebon Hawk crew contain Master Vrook?
 * Nope it shouldn't. I removed and deleted it. --Imp 23:45, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Never, AFAIK. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 21:45, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

Corellian engineering?
Could it be hypothosized that the Ebon Hawk is of a Corellian design because of the Saucer shaped hull? I would assume so since it was designed in the likeness of the Falcon, but I'm guessing that was an allusion to The Falcon by the game designers.

I got some info from mr.lucas anf found out it is corellian and it was a exact .5 hyperdrive but the falcon is dang .2 hyper drive and the ebon hawk could stand a chance with a sublight race the ebonhawk on mustafar tha crashed on starwars galaxies chp5  is been rebuilt and modifeid so many times only 20 percent of it  is still the same from kotor 1.
 * Perhaps...--Jedi Girl 03:43, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

I believe jedi girl because if you look at all the corellian designs the ebon hawk has the features of the YV class (check the cockpit and engines) also the yv class had a close to yt 1300 so speculating the Hawk could have been a yv 1000 or the last of the yv class. I hope we get something solid sometime soon enough speculation you know.Blazer1a 07:03, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

I must point out that it has been confirmed that the Ebon Hawk was constructed and registered on the planet Transel. Comparing it to the YV class accomplishes nothing; those two designs are separated by just shy of four thousand years and to my knowledge the best example of Corellian shipbuilding of the era was the Coruscant class courier (a Corellia Stardrive design) which looks nothing like the modern Corellian designs at all. Any claims that the Ebon Hawk type is a Corellian design is hyperbole and conjecture, and unfounded conjecture at that. It could be Rendili for all we know, or Kuati. There's no data either way to prove anything and in four thousand years things could have changed dramatically. Piroko 16:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

Another popular speculation is that the Ebon Hawk's structural frame may have been purposely welded together from more than two types of known ship designs as a way to test out different technologies. The back section is clearly based on the YV shape while the cockpit is very similar to the Consular-class Space Cruiser, and the two protruding front structures seems to be a completely different design that bears the same design concepts as the KOTOR capital ships. This idea is worth looking into.

News Hologram on Onderon
"The Ebon Hawk is a capital-class vessel and it destroyed 15 Onderon military fighters before being destroyed by Colonel Tobin's forces."

- News Hologram on Onderon

The Hawk is reported as capital-class to overstate the "republic attack", right?--Jinger 03:58, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

(26/02/2007)
 * Correct. You only actually shoot down 6 fighters?  I think.

Armament
Kotor 2's introductory/tutorial level describes the 'main' cannons as quad-lasers, not heavy laser cannons. I also have serious doubts regarding the upper/lower turrets being turbolasers. Anyone objecting to an edit? going once... (26/02/2007)

(23/04/2007)
 * The databank says "Its weaponry consists of a gunnery station with dual turbolasers, as well as other 'secret' armaments." I'm sure you're right about the quad-lasers, though.  Sarendipity  ( Talk to me ) 20:22, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I would not take any source describing it as "quad" at face value. I've seen sources that stick the Imobilizer Interdictor stats to the Interdictor class ships used by the Sith, which are clearly acts of blatant poor research and not to be taken at face value.  There are two guns on top, four guns facing forward, a concealled blaster cannon, and a *posssible* ventral turret which is seen in some renders but not in others.  Whether they are turbolasers or regular lasers is arguable.  12.104.195.112 17:09, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Not even the game itself? If you discard whatever the game states, what -DO- you follow, anyway?  You hover the crosshairs over it and it the little box reads Quad Laser, or Quad Laser Turret or something like that.  That it doesn't have four cannons on it is immaterial, that's what it was called.  Where the blast did Heavy come from anyway?


 * Whether it fits or not, in the kotor 2 prologue there are quadlasers there on the exterior, so it's canon. - Sarendipity  Talk [[Image:Atrissig.jpg|20px]] 14:33, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

Crew dead or dying?
When I checked, there was only the Exile, Kriea, and T3-M4. and weren't they all just dying? (Even M4, who had more then 3/4 of his health gone to begin with)


 * The narrator in the Prologue says "the crew is dead or dying," word for word. At the time Kreia is assumed to be dead. We also don't know who else may have been on the ship, because the miners pretty much cleaned it out. There were probably some crew members in the sealed off quarters (including a pilot), and then there are 3CFD and HK-47, both of whom are out of commission when the game starts. - Sarendipity  Talk [[Image:Atrissig.jpg|20px]] 14:31, 13 November 2007 (UTC)

5.2 Factual correction
Sith ASSASSINS(?) didn't board the Ebon Hawk, TROOPERS did. And isn't it technicaly(?) possible to have none of them board? Anthony007 13:41, 27 May 2007 (UTC)Anthony007

I suppose I should change it then... Anthony007Anthony007

Sizing issues
I run ColonialChrome, a deckplan website and am often asked to do a version of the Ebon Hawk. Generally my stance is to refuse, but whilst doing a feasibility study I developed data that would indicate that the ship's stated length is incorrect.

Specifically when you look at the shots of the main hold it is possible to determine the size (roughly) of the tube corridors. If we assume that since they are nearly the same size as those in the falcon they are in fact identical, or near to it, we arrive with a total interior width of 2.4 meters. If we take that figure (even as a ball park) to the rendered deck layout and scale the ship based on the width of the corridors the ship length jumps up to around seventy meters, (I'd err towards seventy five, personally) much more than the twenty four listed here.

If we take the stated dimensions as accurate then the corridors in the Ebon Hawk are only eighty centimeters in width.

Since I don't (and won't) own a copy of the game I thought it prudent to raise the issue here rather than change the page directly.

81.168.41.150 13:55, 25 July 2007 (UTC)

woodmattc - "I definitely concur with ColonialChrome, the Ebon Hawk must be something much larger than stated. I have begun making a 3d model of the Ebon Hawk.  Using the deckplan on this website as the beginning of a template, and giving it the stated dimensions, I do not believe any human could board it.  I will see what I can determine regarding a more feasible actual size."

Sizing the Hawk
THE EBON HAWK SHIP

Simply put; How big is the ship.

The simplest way is through scaling. How do you scale? You take a refference point thats is know by all and work from there. For those who played the Game " Knight of the old republic " and "Kotor 2" when you go to the port or staboard side of the ship you see 3 beds lined up on each sides. Beds are a know quantity 6 feet long. Thats your refference point from that, take the lenght of 3 bed line up 3X6=18 feet; measure the inside of the map of the ship and calculate the ships dimensions. I've done it for ya. Conservative size if you take the inside map and the outside of the ship, the hull plating and all you get:

Length= 204.1 feet or 61.8 meters Width = 185.9 feet, 56.3 meters

How do i get those; take your 3 beds X 6 feet= 18 feet divide by measurements 24 mm = 1.3 feet. So each mm on your ruler = 1.3 feet, thats your scale. Now take your floor plan and start calculating. You'll find that:

Cockpit = 19.5 feet X 13 feet wide engine room = 9 feet X 4.3 feet Dormatories = 18 feet X 8 feet port and starboard corridors = 6.5 feet wide ( circular remember so only the base can be walked on like the Falcon) Ramp = 28.6 feet X 3.1 feet Swoop Bike garage = 46.8 X 41.6 feet Cargo Hold = 40.3 feet X 19.5 feet Sick bay = 14.3 X 14.3 ( both axes ) Communication station = 28.6 feet X 16.9 feet ( wonder why so big not useful in story) Main Hold = 45.5 feet X 32.5 feet and 9 feet tall at least( Zaalbar is a WOOKIEE )and stands on one side.So we can assume that this room is the tallest since are corridors are 6.5 feet circular and leads to most of the other rooms. The center of the ship is also naturally the highest it stand to reason.

Wich brings the theory that the Millenium falcon woud be bigger...Wrong!! the numbers don't add up. The number of room alone in the Hawk is greater, the cockpit size alone, there's no swopbike size roon on the Falcon, or 2 sets of bunk beds(6). The famous two turret fact on the falcon is weak at best if we caculate map wise. So any debators?

Retrieved from "http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Basile" Basile Basile 15:21, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure if we're going to like this, or if it just muddies the waters further. Using 3dvia Print screen I captured the geometry (and many of the textures) from KOTORII TSL. Then using koichiSenada's 3dsMaxConvertXml I imported the geometry into 3d Studio Max. The scale wasn't exactly right but the models also included HK-47, which according to the databank is 1.8 meters tall. I made a ruler 1.8 meters tall and sized HK-47 and the rest of the model according to that. Unfortunately this is when it got strange. When capturing the geometry of the outside of the Hawk, the dimensions were 30m long X 26.8m wide, pretty close to the measurements listed. I was surprised to find this so I dug a little deeper. Evidently the Hawk is bigger on the inside than it is on the outside. I entered the Hawk and did another capture, still including HK-47 and resized it the same way. Using this as a template, I imported the geometry from the external 3d model and it (the previously mentioned external render) was very much smaller. Upon carefully resizing the external model to correctly fit the rendering of the inside, the new dimensions were 77m wide X 87m long. My best guess is that the game designers found it much easier to show a smaller model when not boarded so that it would fit in the game modules better. These aren't exact but by changing the way I import the geometry I believe I could come up with an exact size. Here's a link to some renders that I created of the geometry used to make this estimation. If there is interest I can go further to determine the exact dimensions created by the game designers. I do certainly believe that the size of the Hawk needs to be adjusted. woodmattc 1/16/2009 12:11 (CST)
 * Unfortunately, that is all considered Original Research, which we don't apply here at Wookieepedia. The article's size information comes directly from a legitimate canon source, Starships of the Galaxy. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:35, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Very well. But you should know that I'm emailing Leland Chee over this. :-D It was fun, thanks for looking at it anyway. BTW, I did figure out how to get the model to import while keeping the original dimensions that the designers used. It was 86.4m long and 77.5m wide, and Canon or not that's the size I'm building my own model! Woodmattc 20:13, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Could we perhaps add something about this to the "Behind the Scenes" section? The game designers built the ship bigger on the inside than the outside for purposes of fitting into the game modules and state the dimensions? I am quite sure within .25 meters that the last stated dimensions are accurate to the build, since I did no resizing but adjusted editing parameters to match those of the imported geometry prior to importing. Woodmattc 15:20, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

About 'Alternate Choices'
The subsection 'Alternate Choices' lists choices for both games that don't effect the ship. While they do effect the crew, I feel it does not belong here. Does anyone agree? Jorlyn Gunnar 07:30, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

5.2 Factual correction
"In a cut ending for female dark side players ... the Ebon Hawk would have been destroyed along with the Star Forge." is not quite correct. The Dark Side ending for female character ends with victory of the Star Forge forces (Bastila Shan used her Battle Mediation to support the forces) and Revan and Bastila declaring war against the Republic.


 * Dark Side Ending at Gametrailers.com

In KOTOR-II, if the player declares that Revan was female and chose to return to the Dark Side, several characters hint that Revan's new Sith Empire didn't last long. Revan herself vanished into the outer galaxy and the Sith started fighting their peers. This IMO disputes the accuracy of the quoted statement.

Rcrowe 12:52, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * It's from a cut female dark side ending where the player has the option to kill Bastila on the Star Forge and then die there with Carth as it's destroyed by the Republic fleet. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 16:01, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Ebon Hawk Owner
In the artical It says that Revan was the owner of the ship. but revan was accually the sith leader who was killed by Malak in this time frame.

Tbrowny 22:42, 17 June 2008 (UTC) Tbrowny
 * I think you should finish the game. :-) -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 22:44, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for spolling it. jk thanks for correcting me Tbrowny 19:02, 18 June 2008 (UTC)tbrowny

Featured Article
What parts of the Ebon Hawk article should we specifically expand? Devan2 17:50, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Cameo in KOTOR comic book
I was checking out the Cassus Fett article and noticed one of the pics on there from the new KOTOR comics had Cassus standing over a hologram projection of the invasion of Taris, with what looks like the Ebon Hawk flying out of the area.

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Cassus_Tower.jpg

Didn't know if anyone wanted to add it to the Behind the Scenes or something like that? &mdash; Sadriel Fett   16:31, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Ebon Hawks Navi-Computer
Does anyone know where the navi computer is kept on the ship, because in the first game it says that the galaxy map is the ebon hawks onboard navi computer, then in the second game in a cutscene with HK-47 and T3-M4, Hk says the navi computer is voicelocked and points to a console on the right in the commincations room. And on the article about the Ebon Hawk it says the navi computer is the console in the main hold. Does anyone have the best explanation?


 * In the .tlk file for KotOR 1 some searches bring up this:

''StrRef 39341 :

[This is the Galaxy Map, the Ebon Hawk's on-board navigational computer.]''

Does anyone have any other source (ie. quote) to say otherwise? Nayayen Transmit words at me  21:10, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Armanent according to KotOR Campaign Guide
The KotOR Campaign Guide lists the Ebon Hawk as having Double Laser Cannons (the side, pilot-controlled guns), and Double Heavy Laser Cannons (the turrets), alongside the docking blaster. As this is the most recent source, does it mean the rather silly turbolaser listing can be changed, or does the Databank entry override the Campaign Guide? Rhifox 11:15, 28 October 2008 (UTC)

Price of the ship
Who got the price of this ship and where? I have a hard time believing that with its mods, it is less than an Aurek fighter of the same era.
 * The source is in the article. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 16:50, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

timeline 1: treaty of coruscant
A hologram of a freighter that looks just like the Ebon Hawk appears right after Gnost-Dural mentions Malak and the Jedi Civil War. What other ship could it be? Etan O'Hara 10:45, 18 April 2009