Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Sebastian Shaw


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Sebastian Shaw

 * Nominated by: Colinmcev 01:10, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Next up, Kenneth Colley! :D Seriously though, I know it seems random, but this is a fascinating actor who played a crucial part in Return of the Jedi, however brief his running time was. -- Colinmcev 01:10, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

(5 Inqs/2 Users/7 Total)
Support
 * 1) Fascinating article on a great actor. -  Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 15:32, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Excellent work. Thefourdotelipsis 08:10, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Nice article. Save Sebastian Shaw! -- Delmar Nori 08:37, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Fantastic work, and a very interesting read. -- Ozzel 03:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) FWIW, he also played a really, really nasty son-of-a-bitch in the first episode of Reilly, Ace of Spies.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 19:43, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * 6)  Greyman ( Talk ) 13:35, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 7)  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 17:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) From the squadron briefing of Cavalier One:
 * 2) * Infobox needs to be sourced. - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 07:40, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) **Ok. -- Colinmcev 15:15, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "After Gresham's, Shaw planned to become a painter and spent two years at the Slade School of Fine Art before switching his interests acting;" - I think you'll need a "to" in there, but I'm not sure. When talking about the opinions of reviewers, I always think it's best to find at least three sources, but I can understand if you struggle in that regard. "He played The Telegraph described his performance of Gloucester in King Lear as "doleful"[2] and his performance of Duncan in Macbeth as "decent."" - Something's missing there. :P I think that perhaps a little bit too much time is spent summarizing The Christening, and that could probably be cut back a wee bit. Other than that, though, and the main image (which I'm still not chuffed about) fantastic work. Really enjoyable and enlightening read. Thefourdotelipsis 02:55, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed up those sentences and tightened the Christening description. I understand your concerns with the main image, but unfortunately, with the other pictures not quite at high enough quality, I think we're stuck with it. Thanks for the read! -- Colinmcev 05:07, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) From the Desk of Atarumaster88
 * 2) * "Shaw is most widely known for his brief but important performance in" A bit of POV here.
 * 3) **I added the word "arguably." Does this cover it? If not I suppose I can drop the phrasing, but I think it's a safe thing to write, and is certainly true. -- Colinmcev 23:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) *"Ten years later, his image as a Force ghost during the final scene of Return of the Jedi was replaced with that of prequel actor Hayden Christensen for the movie's 2004 DVD re-release. " Not really an objection, but I'm not sure this is pertinent to the intro. A good explanation here would also sway my mind on this.
 * 5) **Well, I guess I felt like since this a Wookieepedia entry, I thought it made sense to include a sizable amount of his Star Wars info in the intro. And I thought just a sentence about this was appropriate in the intro not only because it was a Shaw-related Star Wars tidbit, but because the Shaw change was one of the most significant changes to the Special Edition. Also, because several people considered it an insult to the late actor. I'm open to dropping it but I'd prefer it to stay. -- Colinmcev 23:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) * There's some inconsistent linking to certain Shakespearean characters. Please link as many as possible.
 * 7) **I linked all the ones that have Wikipedia pages; didn't like the one that don't. I could link the ones that don't, but they won't lead to any page. Let me know what you think I should do. (Incidentally, because of the way you link to a Wikipedia page, if it leads to a nonpage, it doesn't appear to be a redlink on the Wook page; I don't know if this will make a difference.) -- Colinmcev 23:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) ***Fair enough. I had forgotten that about the non-redlinking. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 17:56, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) * "Some of his fellow airmen hounded Shaw for autographs while others would mock his posh accent, to which Shaw would retaliate with an excellent and unflattering imitation of their unposh accents" Colloquialisms and POV could be reworded, or quoted.
 * 10) ** Is this better? -- Colinmcev 23:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) * "Shaw enjoyed the first two Star Wars films, particularly for the visual effects, which he described in an interview with science-fiction film magazine Starlog as "brilliant techniques which, in many ways, were revolutionary, something quite new."[6]" This probably needs to transition a little better from the earlier sentences. I'm not sure on an exact fix, but maybe move it to the response section? I'll most likely trust your judgment on this.
 * 12) **I think I put it here in the first place because I figured Shaw's prior familiarity with the SW movies should be in the casting section. I tried rewording it to fit more into that fashion, but let me know what you think. -- Colinmcev 23:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) * I'm not sure on sourcing for that filmography box. I would be happy with one reference note perhaps at the end stating where that information came from, but otherwise, this was an enjoyable read.
 * 14) **I added a reference to the last of both filmographies. Does that work? -- Colinmcev 23:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) *Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 17:13, 5 October 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * NOTE: Just so you all know, I am going off to get married and honeymooned and whatnot, so I will be out of commission on the Wook until Oct. 8 at the earliest. If there are any objections that need my attention, I'll take care of them upon my return, so please don't boot the article until after that time. Thanks all! -- Colinmcev 04:20, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Back. -- Colinmcev 23:26, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I found some extra sources, so I added a bit more info and some quotes. My apologies to anyone who might have started reading already, but I should be about finished now. -- Colinmcev 04:25, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I've found lots of pictures online (especially at SebastianShaw.com), mostly promotional stills and photos of him from his early career. I'm guessing I can't use any of them because of copyright issues, but if anyone can give any guidance on that, I'd appreciate it. -- Colinmcev 01:56, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You should be able to find something in the public domain, somewhere. At any rate, I'd suggest that the infobox image be Shaw sans makeup, since that space is generally meant to best illustrate what a person looked like. :P Thefourdotelipsis 02:07, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Some sites I've found pictures are here, here, here and, probably most promisingly, here. Most of them are small (and the Sebastianshaw.com ones have the website written over them), but I'd appreciate some guidance as to whether any of these are usable or not...
 * Ok, I put up a lot of images, most of which I think are OK. Regarding what you'd said about the infobox picture, I would argue we should keep the one that there currently because a) It's a behind-the-scenes image, so it's still him, not the character, and you can clearly get an idea of how he looks in real life despite the makeup; b) This is a Star Wars wiki, and this draws a clear connection to his part in Star Wars while still displaying the actor instead of the character; c) The next best infobox choice, which would be the first publicity still, is pixelated a bit when blown up so won't look as good; d) This way, the images are more spread out, whereas if we took the publicity still up to the infobox, there'd be very few early career images and way too many Star Wars images. -- Colinmcev 19:03, 9 August 2008 (UTC)