Talk:Mustafar/Legends

Is it fully understood that the name of the volcanic body is not something more on the order of the Volcanic Moon of Mustafar, even as its stated to be a double planet. For all we know, the gas giant is the named planet and this is a moon of it. Remember how Lucas likes to mirror the movies. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:15, 25 May 2005 (UTC)

Mustafar name
Is it possible the name was a wordplay on Mufasar (from the Lion King) who was also voiced by James Earl Jones. It would seem fiting as Mufasar died in the Lion King, and on Mustafar Anakin Skywalker died on mustafar and became Darth Vader? -- Jasca Ducato 19:16, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I thought it was Mufasa. Still close though. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:53, 8 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Mustafa
Mustafa (Arabic script: مصطفى) means "chosen one". It is both an ordinary word and a proper name, and it is one of the names given to the Prophet Muhammad. Mustafar is nearly the same, except for the final R (for Revenge [of the Sith]?). Obi-Wan says to Vader there, "you were the Chosen One!". Coincidence, or ... ?
 * Good job 81. You know it was intentional on the part of Lucas. ;) -- Riffsyphon1024 20:29, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Let's add that to the behind the scenes section.Lord vader1414 22:31, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:18, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Coruscant to Mustafar?
How in the hell was Palpatine able to haul himself from Imperial Center to this desolate piece of magma in the Outer Rim in, apparently, five minutes? Thanos6 20:52, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * My guess is that he was clued off that he needed to head out there with a bit of farseeing through the Force. jSarek 22:49, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * No, I know that, but don't even the fastest shuttles take days to go from Core to Outer Rim? Thanos6 22:50, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Apparently not; we've seen several different quick journeys from the Core Worlds to the Outer Rim Territories (or vice versa) in the course of the films (Darth Maul's trip to Tatooine, Yoda's trip from Coruscant to Kamino to Geonosis, and the Millennium Falcon's trip from Tatooine to Alderaan). The *average* trip from a random Core planet to a random Rim planet is measured in days or weeks, but apparently the specific planets we've seen in the movies have far shorter transit times than the average, a benefit of being located close to high-speed hyperroutes like the Corellian Run and the Hydian Way. jSarek 23:10, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Then there's Admiral Piett saying "they're on the other side of the galaxy by now..." referring to the Falcon escaping a few hours before. VT-16 13:35, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * And don't forget who Palpatine is. He's the Emperor of the Galaxy, he can get anywhere he wants as fast as he wants. --Master Starkeiller 14:57, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Yep. He'd have access to the fastest ships, and as Sith Lord probably had knowledge of forgotten or secret travelling routes. VT-16 12:24, 26 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * We know that he was aware of shortcuts through the Deep Core area, which was generally thought of as impossible to navitage at lightspeed due the density of stars. That aside, there's also the possibility that the Yoda/Palpatine and Obi-Wan/Anakin duels weren't near-simultaneous like they seemed in the movie. After all, Obi-Wan had to make the trip to Mustafar to confront Anakin, while Yoda was already on the same planet as Palpatine. There really wasn't any reason for Yoda to wait around for however long it would take for Obi-Wan to make the trip. Thus, it's possible that Yoda and Palpatine's duel was concluded days before Obi-Wan and Anakin's even started. 71.236.33.191 17:36, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Mineral Collecting Facility
Dressing a Galaxy says it belongs to a Commerce Guild signatory.--Rune Haako 23:20, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Mustafar in Star Wars Galaxies
Mustafar's history is discussed somewhat often within Star Wars Galaxies' "Trials of Obi-Wan" expansion. Should information about the Jedi and Sith battle on Mustafar be included in this article? It seemed to be a rather large part of the planet's ancient history.

If you cite the source and type up a reasonable summary, have at it! Dangerdan97 13:56, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Backwards lava flow
In The Revenge of the Sith DVD, I belive it was Rick Mcallum (sp?) that said because of the way the scene where Anakin and Obi-wan duel on the fallen arm in the lava river was originally shot, the lava flow had to be reversed to show them coming towards the screen instead of away from it. Is this something we want to add in the behind the scenes section just for reference? -Lord vader1414 05:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Is it really needed there? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess not, but wouldn't it be good to put in just for reference? I've seen crazier stuff put in other articles. -Lord vader1414 17:00, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You have a point. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:01, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * So, do we want to add that? -Lord vader1414 21:10, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I said "You have a point" because you said "I've seen crazier stuff put in other articles". ;) Anyway, that might be better in Duel on Mustafar. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, true. Ok then. : ) -Lord vader1414 22:08, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Now that I think about it, it could be added here... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:53, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, you decide and tell me what you think is best. Oh, by the way, all you people reading this can submit too. Sometimes i feel that these discussions are between just me and Nebulax. -Lord vader1414 22:59, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It probably should go in the article. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:00, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait, THIS one, right? not the duel article? -Lord vader1414 23:02, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Both. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:05, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok then, will do! : ) -Lord vader1414 23:07, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, then. Well, I guess I could have made this a shorter conversation had I said that in the first place... ;) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:09, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That's ok, you didnt know. Look good? -Lord vader1414 23:11, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. I'm just surprised no one put the bullets in before. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:14, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I would have just placed it on the Duel article, but that's just me. ;) -- Riffsyphon1024 04:58, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, at least we agreed on placing it in one place. ;) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:32, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What's done is done, my friends. I'd say that it's ingraved in stone, but it's not, so... yeah... But i think it looks ok where it is. If you have an objection, just tell me. -Lord vader1414 06:51, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it could always be removed if someone thinks it's not neccissary there. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Breathable Air?
I've been wondering on this quite some time, how the heck is anybody able to survive on Mustafar if it has no way of creating breathable air? Maybe because in a Galaxy far far away they breath somethine else? Just been wondering on this and wanted to know if anybody knew out there Ivor 22:23, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, so far, oxygen is probably what most people breathe. It's possible that there is some form of odd vegetation that can survive the intense heats. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:16, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It wouldn't be just that, the volcanic eruptions would emit all kinds of toxic gas and ash, plus the perpetual fires all over the planet would incinerate the oxygen at a much faster rate than any plant life could produce it. Perhaps there was an exchange of atmospheres between it and the gas giant, like Onderon and Dxun, though it's even less likely that a gas giant would have oxygen.Darth Ceratis 01:09, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Or there's something in the lava that gives off oxygen. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 01:33, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Doubtful. Like I said the heat would burn the oxygen instantly.Darth Ceratis 20:05, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Let's not forget that real-world physics don't always apply in Star Wars. In the movies, fire can burn in space. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:44, 30 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, you can have fire in space, at least the way it's portrayed in Star Wars. When you see a ship explode, the explosion you see is fueled by the air inside the ship, along with all of it's combustible fuels and other volatile substances. The same goes for when a damaged ship spouts fire: it's from leaking chemicals and air escaping through the breach. Granted, such explosions would probably be much briefer in reality than they are portrayed in Star Wars, but they can still happen.Darth Ceratis 00:21, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Another reason real-world physics don't always apply to Star Wars: There is no sound in space. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 00:25, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * True, though that's a fact that science fiction as a whole has chosen to ignore in favor of more interesting space battles. It's kind of like the score: It's not actually happening in-universe, but it's put in there for our entertainment.Darth Ceratis 05:59, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * My point is, if they had wanted the movies to reflect real-life physics they could have. And they didn't. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * But most of the time they did. That's what makes it science fiction.Darth Ceratis 20:54, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * "Most of the time" is not "all of the time". Besides, the space battles and this topic prove that. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:45, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, like I said, basically every science fiction movie/show has chosen to ignore the "no sound in space rule," so I don't think that's really a qualifier for saying Star Wars defies real-life physics. No more so than to say Phantom of the Opera isn't realistic because people don't break out into song all the time. It's a rule that is generally disregarded in its particular genre.Darth Ceratis 01:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * But the fact is that for every OOU reason, there must be an IU reason for the same thing. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 01:42, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Then what's the IU explanation for John Williams' score?Darth Ceratis 17:34, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Enough with going off topic. Stick to the main topic. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:29, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not going off topic. I'm saying that the "sound in space" thing is the same as the musical score: they're both cinematic effects that aren't meant to be taken literally as if they are actually there, but they are included in the films for our benefit. Besides, the only reason we're talking about sound in space at all is because you brought it up, and that was off topic.Darth Ceratis 21:10, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Green?
What is the source for Mustafar once having been a "lush, green world"? I have seen nothing to support this. In fact, the Databank makes no mention of a gas giant being repositioned with the Force, or Mustafar once being green. -  Angel Blue 451 (Holonet) 01:43, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Most likely fanon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm removing it until we get a source. -  Angel Blue 451 (Holonet)[[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] 16:31, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:17, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually I added that myself...it's from both Galaxies, and a short story published on the Galaxies site, which is linked to in the Sources. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 23:41, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * But isn't that contradicted by another source? I'm positive I've read that Mustafar was a relatively young and unstable planet. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:42, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * From the Databank:

''The young world of Mustafar is literally being torn in opposing directions, caught in a gravimetric tug of war that keeps it from becoming the moon of a nearby gas giant. Despite the close proximity of massive Jestefad, Mustafar keeps to its erratic orbit, pulled by the distant influence of another giant, Lefrani. The tidal strain heats up Mustafar's molten core, resulting in spectacular geological activity across the entire planet.''

There is no mention of it ever having been lush and green. -  Angel Blue 451 (Holonet) 00:04, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm pretty sure Star Wars: Complete Locations says something very similar. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:05, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * "Long ago in the days of the Old Republic, Mustafar was a lush green world. It was a much different place than it is now, free of volcanic activity and a harsh atmosphere. The Jedi were strong in the ways of the Force, and had many temples on Mustafar where they cultivated their abilities and trained their students. The Sith were also very powerful and wanted to exterminate the Jedi. Long ago, this small world set the stage for a climactic battle between the Jedi and the Sith."

- http://starwarsgalaxies.station.sony.com/en_US/players/content.vm?page=Lost%20Treasure&resource=features


 * Adding it back in, seeing as the Galaxies site is a canon source, and there's nothing in that statement that denies that it's a possiblity. Also, that particular article was written by one of the Galaxies staff members for the Friday Feature, to tie in with the new releases in the game. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 01:17, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

''The young world of Mustafar is literally being torn in opposing directions, caught in a gravimetric tug of war that keeps it from becoming the moon of a nearby gas giant. Despite the close proximity of massive Jestefad, Mustafar keeps to its erratic orbit, pulled by the distant influence of another giant, Lefrani. The tidal strain heats up Mustafar's molten core, resulting in spectacular geological activity across the entire planet.''
 * And I'm reverting it, as it conflicts with a higher-canon source. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:16, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You've yet to provide me with a source, so I reverted it again and will enforce the Three Revert Rule if you do so again without providing proof. Tbe previous quote says that Mustafar is caught in a gravimetric tug-of-war between 2 gas giants...the Galaxies link says the exact same thing, just that it wasn't always in that tug-of-war, it only entered into it when one of the gas giants were moved...which actually makes a lot of sense, seeing as it's unlikely a planet would enter that kind of orbit naturally. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 14:48, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Apparently you've just disregarded what Angel Blue said. From the Databank:

Now, if you keep reverting it, I'll have to bring this to the attention of another administrator. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 20:25, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * What level of canonicity does the Galaxies website represent? -  Angel Blue 451 (Holonet)[[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] 20:34, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

''S-canon is "secondary" canon; the story itself is considered non-continuity, but the non-contradicting elements are still a canon part of the Star Wars universe. This includes things like the online roleplaying game Star Wars Galaxies and certain elements of a few N-canon stories.'' -  Angel Blue 451 (Holonet) 20:46, 28 September 2006 (UTC) You know what? Go throw yourself out of an airlock. Don't take that bloody attitude with me. I don't appreciate you calling my things "horse shit" screw you, you self-righteous nerf herder. Who are you to preach to me? Seeing as you violated a Wookiepedia TOS in your comment? Besides, Galaxies IS NOT MAIN CANON! It's subpar at best. And it's not just that I have a gripe with Galaxies, it was a good idea. I don't like the Yuuzhan Vong, but I still recognize them as canon. But when is enough enough? When does a franchises blatant discardment of the main canon warrant giving it it's own section? Seriously, I mean we do it on here all the time, seperate stuff from the main canon. I think it needs to be made clear that things from Galaxies are questionable. Second of all, you're right, if I don't like it I don't have to be here, but there's so much more to this site than some crappy game and it's contents, and I feel I have something to contribute. So, Redemption, go stick your head up a Hutt's backside and keep your twelve year-old little outbursts to yourself..O-ChampionOfTheForce-o 03:44, 16 April 2007 (UTC) Wow. I'm sure now that your mother dropped you on your head as a child and damaged something vital you thundering uber-douche. It's not frivilous, there's more than just me that feels this way.O-ChampionOfTheForce-o 04:16, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Jack note that that *causes* it. maybe before it moved in range of the gas giant it was lush and green. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 20:35, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ugluk, it is specifically called a young planet. When Earth was a young planet, it wasn't lush and green. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:36, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That's also what bothers me. It takes a while for that kind of life to develop.  I ask again, what level of canon does the Galaxies website represent? - Angel Blue 451 (Holonet)[[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] 20:39, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say the second lowest level of canon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:40, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * From our article on Star Wars canon, the second to last rank:
 * Wow, I only took a guess. Well, that settles it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:53, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Young is a relative term when it comes to planets....we know that the Star Wars Galaxy is at least 7,500,000,000 years old, so making the planet be at least 25,000 years old causes absolutely no problem. Heck, Earth is said to be a young planet by most scientists, and it comes in to be at least 4,567,000,000 years old. So even if Mustafar had been 1,000,000,000 years old, it would still be classed as young...I see absolutely no problem. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 00:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * True.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 00:13, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Now, let's stop discussing it through an edit war and start discussing it here. Now, first of all, if Mustafar was originally lush and green, then how come the two gas giants didn't turn the planet into a lava-cover ball in space from the beginning? It makes no sense. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:20, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe because it wasn't always caught between the two gas giants.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 00:24, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Then how'd it get there? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:25, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps its orbit was altered when it was hit by some large object, or it was always at risk since it was formed.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 00:29, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Jaymach, I'm sorry, but according to my interpretation of our own article, Jack is right. Galaxies is on S-canon, which is level three. How about an ambig canon section detailing it? -- SFH 00:32, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That seems like an acceptable solution to me, pending further information. -  Angel Blue 451 [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]](Holonet) 00:35, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyway, such events are not impossible.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 00:36, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that it's S-canon and so, if it did contradict then there would be a problem. As I've already said though, young is a relative term when it comes to planets and so far there's no other evidence been used against it once being a lush green world. Additionally, if you read the source I provided a few times, it states that the gas giant was moved into place by the Sith through the Force, in an effort to destroy the planet (we've seen the Sith do this kinda thing during the Great Sith Wars) and so, until I see some more contradiction other than "it's a young planet" (which, you can not, I agree with) then it deserves to be in the article. Additionally, Jack has brought up that I also broke the 3RR...if an admin wishes to ban me for 24 hours for doing so then I shall accept the decision. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 00:38, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It could have simply been gravity as well. Does the Galaxies site actually claim that a gas giant was moved by the Force?--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 00:39, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Jaymach, I can't block you...Kuralyov tried to block himself once, and was still able to edit. We as a community are starting to get a little combative now, and I for one am sick of it. Can't we all just get along? (immediately gets punched in the face by a random guy) -- SFH 00:46, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Please don't block him anyway, SFH. Anyway, I agree that we should put that information on a lush, green Mustafar in an ambig canon section for the time being. However, being S-canon, I doubt that a gas giant was actually moved using the Force. But as long as it's in a little section, I'm fine with it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:47, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oblivion: Indeed it does say that...I forget whether it's in Lost Treasure or Sickness of the Storm Lord, but it definitely says it in one of the sources.
 * SFH: You can actually block me, I just have the power to unblock myself...I was just saying that I wouldn't do that if it was decided that I was to be blocked then I would accept it. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 00:50, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Now: Can it be agreed on to put this Galaxies info in a separate section? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:53, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm game...how do we do that? -- SFH 00:54, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree also. -  Angel Blue 451 [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]](Holonet) 00:55, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The isn't for that type of thing, so that's out of the question... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:55, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * We usually keep it in with all the other part of the article, seeing as it's only non-canon information when it's contradicted (at which point it's removed). At least we do with the Corran Horn, Thrawn, and TIE Interceptor articles, among many many others. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 01:04, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, of course. Odd, wouldn't you say? Oh well. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:05, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * What I don't completely understand is how a planet could form between two gas giants like that. All the materials would been pulled towards the giants, preventing them from collecting into a spheroid.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 01:10, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That's pretty much what the Galaxies information was trying to solve...when the planet formed, it was only in the pull of one gas giant...then the Sith came along and, in usual Sith fashion, showed off their power by pulling the other gas giant closer to Mustafar causing the planet to be stuck between the two in the "gravitic tug-of-war". &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 01:14, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It all sounds good to me. There really doesn't seem to be any contradiction.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 01:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Stranger things have happened in the GFFA. -  Angel Blue 451 [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]](Holonet) 01:18, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * People who don't think as gas giant could be moved by the Force would make terrible Jedi. "Size matters not." I fully support Jaymach.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 01:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * And what about putting it into a disambig section, Darth Oblivion and Jaymach? After all, it's only S-canon material; therefore, it could be correct, but it could also end up being contradicted in the future. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:01, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * S-canon means that, until it is contradicted, it is still canon...so until we have something either way, it should really stay in the main article. If it gets contradicted at any point in the future, then it would be moved to the Behind the Scenes section or removed completely...but until then it's still fully canon. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 14:17, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * So everything in the second lowest level of canon is automatically fully canon? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:19, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I have to admit, Jack, that it doesn't seem to be directly and irreconcilably in conflict with the Databank (especially since the databank doesn't tell us exactly how young Mustafar is). Although I would venture to say that only G-canon is "fully canon", since it is irrefutable and cannot be contradicted.  -  Angel Blue 451 [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]](Holonet) 23:45, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, there probably should be a separate section for the time being. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:30, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * As I said before, I fully support that compromise. -  Angel Blue 451 [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]](Holonet) 02:21, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * But it appears that Jaymach doesn't and will do anything to not have it in a disambig section. Of course, it's really three to two on the matter, so it should be created. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:34, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, I support Jaymach on this one. And yes, as long as S-canon doesn't contradict anything it's canon and should stay in the article. --Imp 14:39, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course. It can never be easy. Now it's three to three. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:40, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) We don't have ambig sections for Galaxies information, as it's canon unless proven otherwise (as Leland Chee has stated on several posts on StarWars.com) and even if we did...2) The ambig category is for unlicensed material which doesn't have a clear canon status...Galaxies information has a very clear canon status...it's S-canon, which means canon until proven otherwise...3) I fail to see how you have 3 people supporting "your side" on this issue...you disagree with me...Ugluk agrees with me...Angel just wants a resolution for the conflict, and is quite happy to leave the content where it is but would compromise to have it in another section if it was decided...SFH said on your talk page that he wasn't entirely sure, and he was just wanting a resolution to this...and now Imp agrees with me also...feel free to start it up as a vote, though...we have very clearly defined canon sections, and I know where this fits in. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 14:42, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * A vote wouldn't matter. Canon is canon, it's our official policy, and can't be circumvented by a vote about Mustafar. --Imp 14:50, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Jaymach is correct in all the points he has made here. It is considered canon unless Leland specifically states otherwise. --Azizlight 15:00, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe Azizlight is right about Jaymach being right. As I understand it, low canon status of computer games refers more to game mechanics (like Kyle Katarn's ability to pull a dozen guns out of nowhere) and player-created content (like an SWG PC.)  And there's no contradiction whatsoever in the idea that Mustafar (a) is young as planets go, and (b) was a lot less volcanic  a few thousand years before ROTS.  It's a bit odd that the Mustafarians seem to have the sort of adaptations to a volcanic environment which would take millions, if not billions, of years to evolve if the planet wasn't like that to begin with, but that would hardly be the first time Star Wars science was a bit iffy (and I could probably come up with a bunch of speculative explanations for that anyway if pressed.) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 15:35, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Fine. Keep the damn S-canon material in the article and don't put it in a separate section. I'm just fed up with this whole thing. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:25, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Interesting stuff. For what it's worth I'm with Nebulax on this. I'm not sure that Galaxies should even be considered a s-canon source because it's not even recognized by LucasArts anymore. I opened another discussion about another section, but the info I posted there seems relevant to this discussion, so feel free to look at it.O-ChampionOfTheForce-o 19:46, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Since when is Galaxies not recognized by LucasArts? -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 05:40, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Since they pulled the LucasArts license away from Galaxies. Therefore, since they're not even licensed they should not be considered canon. Of course you're more assenine Woookiepedians will say "Chee has decreed that anything that doesn't contradict the main canon is alright" but of course, that would make Galaxies not canon, as they violate the canon numerous times (i.e. allowing you to be a Jedi starting out, and somehow you learn you're way. When Yoda clearly tells Luke when he dies "When gone am I, the last of the JEDI will you be." Which is not to say there are no Force Sensitives out there, but certainly nobody who could seriously call themselves a Jedi). Secondly, I feel that it's important to note that with other RPG games, LucasArts has released, their contents fit in with the main canon, and if there's no canon for it to fit into, they become the basis for canon (i.e. KotoR/KotOR II). With Galaxies, you have a game that's trying to fit into a storyline that's already been written, and they've failed miserably at it.O-ChampionOfTheForce-o 18:46, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * When did this happen? If Lucasarts pulled Galaxies then SOE wouldn't be able to keep the servers up since they'd have their asses sued for using Lucasarts/Lucasfilm characters, appearances, etc. Just because you have a personal gripe with Galaxies and what SOE has turned it into, it doesn't mean you can declare it not canon this way and that way. It remains canon. Get over it or get the hell off this site since nobody is going to be putting up with your horse shit forever. And just for the record, even if Lucasarts pulled the license, that would be a recent development and the story of Mustafar being green would have been created before hand and thus still canon. If Lucasarts pulled Obsidian's license then K2 would still be canon... -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 20:20, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * How charming. Next time you feel like being a dick, kindly refrain and don't waste my time again with frivolous matters such as this. It's canon. Deal with it. This discussion is over. Revert it at your own expense. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 04:07, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

Jestefad and Lefrani
If Mustafar is always influenced by them, would that mean Jestefad and Lefrani orbit around their star at the same rate?--Darth OblivionComlink 02:11, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Either that, or their orbits are closer than most worlds. VT-16 15:38, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

How they survived the heat?
Is there any explanation for how Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi managed to survive the intense heat generated by the lava flow? Surely any ordinary human would melt when standing as near to the lava as they were at times, but perhaps there is some ability of the Force which repels heat, or something like that?152.163.101.6 01:02, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think that was mentioned somewhere. Mustafarian lava is cooler than normal lava, but it's still really hot. -LtNOWIS 01:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Even "cool" lava is extremely hot. According to Complete Locations, they used the Force to create "cacoons" around themselves in which they could regulate the temperature. Do we have an article about that ability?-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 02:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it was in the novelization of ROTS also. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 02:19, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think we have an article on it. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Dwarf planet
The International Astronomical Union (IAU), the official scientific body for astronomical nomenclature, defines a "dwarf planet" as a celestial body within the Solar System that satisfies these four conditions.


 * is in orbit around the star
 * has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (near-spherical) shape
 * has not cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit
 * is not a satellite

Although Mustafar belongs to another star system, it satisfies these four conditions. Shouldn´t we consider it a dwarf planet instead a regular planet? --Zeist Antilles (discusión) 22:21, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

Galatic Civil War--sounds like fanon..
Is there any proof to this? It sounds like fanon to me, as I cant seem to find anything that supports it. The closest thing I found was the original concept for Return of the Jedi had a scene in which Luke goes to Had Abbadon to confront the Emperor. It seems to me that this fits in with the "Green" planet thing too, it feels like the Galaxie's staffer wanted to see this come true. (Plus Galaxies is poo-doo and violates more canon sources than I can think of and should not be considered even s-canon, but that's another topic) Here's what I found, It's from Star Wars Insider Issue 67, May 2003 page 27 under the "Abandoned Concepts" section:

Had Abbadon: "The Empire's captial, the city planet of Had Abbadon, appeared in the rough draft. Around the plaent orbited two half-completed Death Stars and the Green moon (later renamed Endor), an unspoiled ecosystem in the process of being cleared for habitation. Far below the surface of Had Abbadon lay Emperor Palpatine's throne room...'surrounded by lava (quote from Ralpha McQuarrie)'"

Then cutting to the other section entitled "Balance of the Force"

"Luke is held prisoner on an island amid a sea of lava in the revised rough draft, far below the surface of the capitol planet Had Abbadon. Suddenly Obi-Wan Kenobi appears in the flesh, explaining that he has come back to help destroy the emperor. Yoda also appears but only as a spirit, stating that he will do what he can to help from the Netherworld."

So. Is there any proof to that section, or is it just a wild dream trying to think up a possible storyline for KotOR III? O-ChampionOfTheForce-o 19:47, 13 April 2007 (UTC) Ok so I'm revising that, because that little pearl of Galaxies wisdom does, in fact, contradict a higher canon source.O-ChampionOfTheForce-o 03:46, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It's from Galaxies, AFAIK. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 21:14, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, Galaxies is canon. I don't see any contradiction, either. -LtNOWIS 03:55, 16 April 2007 (UTC)