Talk:Revan/Legends

Revan's Height
Hi everyone! Just a quick thought on Revan's height. Malak's Databank and Wookieepedia entries put his canon height at 2 metres tall. Standing the KOTOR models for Revan and Malak next to each other for comparison (e.g. http://www.andargor.com/kotor-fun/KotOR0002b_Med.jpg), we can clearly determine (since Malak is 200cm tall), that Revan is 168cm (5 feet & 6 inches) tall. Personally, I wish they'd specified Malak as being a LOT taller than 2 metres so Revan could be slightly taller, but canon is canon I suppose. Also, Yoda was a LOT shorter than 5'6", and he was pretty damn powerful too, haha! If anyone has any thoughts on this, I'd like to hear them. Regards, LtKettch 21:05, June 16, 2011 (UTC) I measured the male Scoundrel, Scout and Soldier models. We have one model's height from the comparison with Malak's model (at 200cm). Since we can reasonably assume that this 5'6" model is the smallest (Scoundrel), Soldier Revan would be 176.5cm or 5'9.5" while Scout Revan would be 171.5cm or 5'7.5". Good catch, BlasterS33. Thanks for the feedback. Any other thoughts? LtKettch 23:04, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well the height of Revan is different for each model. The scoundrel being the smallest and the soldier being the tallest. You should check it in the game actually but you sure he is 5f6? because I mean I am not even sure the scoundrel is that short lol BlasterS33 22:04, June 16, 2011 (EST)
 * I'm glad you brought up the differing Class heights - I had the same thought after my initial post.
 * If we can establish a canon source for his Class, then we can issue his corresponding height:
 * Revan (if he was a Soldier)=5 feet 9.5 inches or 176.5cm.
 * Revan (if he was a Scout)=5 feet 7.5 inches or 171.5cm.
 * Revan (if he was a Scoundrel)=5 feet 6 inches or 168cm.
 * Also, I've ruled out the possibility that the Revan model used for the Malak comparison (http://www.andargor.com/kotor-fun/KotOR0002b_Med.jpg) is female. It's definitely a male, as all male KOTOR models stand with both feet angled outwards, as shown in the comparison picture. A female Revan model would have her right foot pointing straight ahead, and her left pointing to the side. She would also be dropping her hip, which our comparison model is not doing. The model used for the Malak comparison must therefore be a Male Scoundrel (at 5'6"). LtKettch 23:38, June 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * All this is speculation that doesn't help improving the article. –Tm_T (Talk) 03:48, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * I respectfully disagree. BlasterS33 has presented an excellent and pretty conclusive argument that Revan was in fact a Scout (See above section "Revan's Class"). Once this is confirmed, we will also have his height at 5' 7.5". LtKettch 20:05, June 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * Seriously, this is all speculation without canonical source stating it, thus far the authors have been clear there's no canonical class for Revan, yet. Estimation of the height from the models is also pure speculation. –Tm_T (Talk) 06:00, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * It is speculation, but I'm not too sure that basing the height of the models would be. Especially since there are different heights for each class. That's almost like saying that estimation of appearance from the models is also pure speculation.  Ruthless Xero (Comment) 06:40, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * We cannot trust the models are in perfect scale. What we can estimate from the models, is if something is significantly smaller/larger than the other, but that's it, no hard numbers. –Tm_T (Talk) 06:46, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Eventually novel Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan will shade some light to this character, but in the meantime, please let's keep all unsourced speculation off. –Tm_T (Talk) 07:18, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Revan is shown to be as tall as Malak in the Timeline videos, but it's probably not canon. 82.32.105.111 16:41, June 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * If you are referring to the timeline videos on TOR website, then they are considered canon. But Tm_T is right. This is all just speculation and we need to just wait and see. Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 00:04, June 22, 2011 (UTC)

KoTOR 2 non-canon now?
Given that from what I've read on the internet through various sources both here, and on Bioware's ToR page, it seems that KoTOR 2 is going to be axed from canon.

Just out of curiosity, how is that going to affect Revan, post KoTOR? What was said about him (canon-wise) in the first, versus the second? I know that others have listed the video from SW:TOR talking about his "Rebirth" and we obviously don't know anything about that until the game gets into an open beta, but was it KoTOR 2 that sent him off into the great unknown, or was that just the Exile following after him.

Been -ages- since I played the games, so I'm a little rusty on my game history. Darth Vael 15:52, July 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, Bioware said, that the events from KotOR II won't have much efect on TOR, but are not considerd non-canon. What made you think that KotOR II ist now non-canon. Gulomi Jomesh 08:49, July 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * The first thing that comes to mind is Taris. I could be wrong about this, but the picture that ToR has painted is rather different from the Taris we knew in the second KoTOR. In the second one, Taris was the subject of a massive terraforming effort (pushed by Carth, I believe) to make it inhabitable once more. Outside of a strip of the planet that the Republic had been working on, it was described as a 'toxic soup' or something of the kind.


 * However, by the time of SW:ToR, they've made it sound like it was never really bothered with, and that it was mostly ruins and massive plant-life, certainly nothing like Obsidian had suggested with the planet being a 'toxic stew.' Darth Vael 13:04, July 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Taris was never in KoTOR 2. You're thinking of Telos, an entirely different planet. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 13:07, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Several things could have happened, one it could be that the transformation did take place. It could also be that everything eventually grew back by itself. You have to remember that TOR takes place a long time after KOTOR II, 1,000 years or so if I remember right. So I'd say that KOTOR II will still be considered canon, and TOR will be also. And they'll just find some way to explain the little discrepencies. Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 13:11, July 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * KoTOR 2 won't be non-canon. SWTOR.com's FAQ states that TOR takes place three hundred years after KoTOR, which is practically the same for KoTOR 2. TK999 —[Discuss] 13:24, July 16, 2011 (UTC)


 * Gah, you're totally right about Telos. Jesus, it's been a long time since I played those. Sorry for the confusion on my end, folks. Darth Vael 15:36, July 16, 2011 (UTC)

Also, it's important to note that the Revan novel, specifically advertised by Bioware, contains the Jedi Exile, and gives a brief summary surrounding the events that happened in KOTOR 2 (with Kreia and the Purge). As such, KOTOR 2 is fully cemented in canon and BW will not ignore it, especially considering the Jedi Exile appears in game.--160.39.157.69 04:21, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Revan Alive in TOR?
I recently found this on Revan, and it appears he was the captive Jedi on Taral V. I don't really believe this, but I thought I should share this with the rest of you. http://darthdestruktor.deviantart.com/art/The-Old-Republic-Revan-Lives-261353296 LordDeathRay 01:23, October 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * While it looks OK, this image is not from an official source and therefor can not be used here as we cannot be sure if it is real or a fake. We need to wait for an official confirmation that Revan is alive to include that in the article. Gulomi Jomesh 08:36, October 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I just wanted to give you guys a heads-up. LordDeathRay 14:44, October 8, 2011 (UTC)

Revan in Old Republic? (continued)
I've been browsing wookieepedia a bit, and I've come up with these timelines: Revan (character): If Revan were to appear in The Old Republic MMO, this would mean that lived for over 300 years. Has this been confirmed anywhere?
 * Old Republic MMO: Between 3,643 BBY and 3,641 BBY
 * Some time before 3,963 BBY, Revan, along with Alek, attained the rank of Jedi Knight.
 * In 3,653 BBY, at the start of The Sacking of Coruscant and The Cold War, the galaxy believed that Revan and the Exile never returned from unknown space.
 * The Old Republic: Revan (novel): Between 3,956–c. 3,951 BBY

From what I understand, the MMO kicks off with The Great Galactic War, which lasted from 3,681 BBY to 3,653 BBY. Its end also marks the beginning of the Sacking of Coruscant, as seen in the Deceived trailer, as well as The Cold War.

Given the timelines I have dug up regarding Revan, this would most certainly indicate that Revan was indeed alive during the events of The Old Republic MMO. On the other hand, given the vast amount of significant events occurring during in this MMO, the timeline provided in the page's infobox (Between 3,643 BBY and 3,641 BBY), seems very off.

Can anyone acknowledge the above? Or perhaps elaborate any incorrect assumptions I might have made? --KratosGodofWar (Radi0n) 11:49, October 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * Until there's a published, official source that Revan is alive during TOR, we assume nothing. So speculating about that can be forgotten. Also about the timespan of the game, as it's from an official source, it's what it is no matter how whacky it might appear (for what I know this one makes sense too). (: –Tm_T (Talk) 12:35, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

It is confirmed that the Emperor is keeping Revan alive in stasis, and it is also confirmed that the Exile is a Force Ghost that stays by Revan. Also, there is a flashpoint on Taral V in TOR where the players are instructed by a Force Ghost to rescue a Master Jedi that is invaluable to the war effort. Although it is not explicitly confirmed to be Revan, it makes the most sense, with the ghost being the Exile.--160.39.157.69 04:19, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

http://www.g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/707335/darth-revan-confirmed-for-star-wars-the-old-republic/ Here you go. BlasterS33 07:34, November 16, 2011 (UTC)BlasterS33

Canon face
So with the book finally released can we establish a canon face? Because to where I am now in the book SPOILER ALERT YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! His son is said to have the same *dark* eyes as him and the same dark shoulder lenght hair and on all the revan model for the game there is only one shoulder  lenght hair guy and he has dark eyes. But his hair is not black and it is specified that he has black hair in the book. So what are your toughts about this? Which one do YOU prefer? BlasterS33 08:03, November 16, 2011 (UTC)BlasterS33
 * Black hair plus dark eyes and pale skin means that the bald asian guy with the beard is the canon Revan. In the book Revan says he shaved off his beard so people won't recognise him, so it makes sense that he would grow his hair long for the same reason. It makes even more sense when you consider Satele's slightly asian features. At least the book was good for something. 86.145.92.130 13:35, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Someone needs to upload a good pic! Mullet man was never going to be canon. There are countless nameless Republic troops, Jedi and other NPC's with that face scattered throughout both games. Jayden Matthews 15:20, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah well I think we will just have to wait for TOR for an appearance. I'm not sure he will be in it but I mean SPOILER ALERT the Emperor IS keeping him alive so it's possible we will see him in TOR also as one or 2 link above someone posted a picture of him and SPOILET AGAIN the Jedi Exile's force ghost so it's possible we will see what their faces looks like. ANd if I remember well and IT IS real pictures then Revan is not the Asian guy as in the picture he was caucasian. So this would mean there is not really a canon face or Revan in the game. As for me I prefer to think he is the long haired one and they just dyed his hair or something. As for the face of Meetra (Jedi Exile) there is not one with blue eyes and brown hair so we can assume this is the same thing for her.BlasterS33 11:38, November 17, 2011 (UTC)BlasterS33
 * I think the post you are refering to was deleted. If you are able to find it again, I would be very gratefull. Black hair + dark eyes + fair skin means that there are four possible faces that could be the true Revan, all of them asian. Jayden Matthews 11:56, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, not Asian, but you know what I mean. I've e-mailed Drew, so hopefully he'll clarify the issue for us. As for Meetra, there is a face that has fair skin, brown hair and blue eyes. It's the same face that the miniture was based on. This is now indisputably the canocial one, so we should upload a good screenshot to go in place of the current pencil sketch. Jayden Matthews 13:41, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * If you coul tell me which face you are talking about I would be very grateful and as a little gift :D in advance look at this site someone uploaded it MAJOR SPOILER!!! (url removed) Revan And the Exile :) now we know their true faces! and we know Revan is not asian still please tell me which of the exile faces you are talking about with blue eyes and brown hair ^^ BlasterS33 18:06, November 17, 2011 (UTC)BlasterS33
 * Thanks for that video link, BlasterS33. I don't think it contains any real spoilers, I think we all knew what was going to happen in TOR regarding Revan! Regarding the canon face issue, I would like to recall a picture from a year or so back, speculating Revan's canon head from KOTOR:

Having watched your video, Revan's face is IDENTICAL to the KOTOR option highlighted in red. There can be no longer be any doubt whatsoever that this was indeed his canon face. I must say I'm glad, as this was IMO the best one. LtKettch 12:23, November 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * On a side-note, did anyone else pick up on the Messiah-vibe when they saw the video? He looks exactly like Jesus, he was suspended with his arms outstretched (crucifixion imagery?), which he endured to save the galaxy from Vitiate's hunger (suffering to save souls from the devil?) and there was even a crown-of-thorns thing going on where his famous crown had been burned into his face. Straining the metaphor, you could compare Revan, Satele & Meetra to the trinity of Father, Son and Spirit.

I'm not remotely religious, but I thought it was a very nice touch, particularly considering how many of us have come to regard Revan over the years! LtKettch 12:23, November 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Guys, what's the hold-up? It's been eight years since KotOR was released and Revan finally has a canon face. Can someone please upload a decent pic? Jayden Matthews 13:26, November 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * The video from TOR is a leak, so if a new image is to be uploaded it will have to be an old one from the first game. 86.164.173.25 13:47, November 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * Is the fact that Revan has a canon face not significant? Are we just going to ignore it. Or is the book not considered canon. Come on guys, pull your finger out! 86.164.173.25 16:33, November 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * I know, I've saved some headshots from the video (url removed), but for some reason I'm having trouble uploading them. That's why I had to use an already-existing photo to make the comparison. I'll try again now, but if someone else could get some screen captures, you might have more luck than me and my useless computer! :) LtKettch 00:13, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Right, I can't upload any photos which is really annoying. It says if I try any more I might get blocked, so I'll leave it to you guys. (url removed) The best screenshot is at 0:21, but there's another good one at 0:57. Wait until he's still and the subtitles have disappeared and take a full-screen capture. LtKettch 00:47, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's not just you. I can't upload either. As was pointed out above the video was leaked illegally, so we can't use anything from it anyway. There's probably no point in changing the main image now, as it will just be changed again when TOR is released. I do think we should add some pics from the first game that show his real face. though. Jayden Matthews 09:01, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * We cannot and we will not use any leaked video or other unpublished information here in Wookieepedia. Also please don't share those links either. –Tm_T (Talk) 13:41, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * The NDA has been lifted for several days now. There is nothing to "leak." --Imperialles 14:52, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Several days? Url? (: –Tm_T (Talk) 15:06, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * See Forum:SH:TOR spoiler precautions and this. Cheers, grunny &#64; wookieepedia :&#126;$ 15:14, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * So within last 24 hours, and several links I did remove were posted before that. Good to know it's free from nda, thanks. (: –Tm_T (Talk) 15:20, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Add to his biography
Should his actions in the novel be added to the biography or be kept until the truth of what happened in 3950 BBY becomes obvious in the game? --Senjuto 17:59, November 18, 2011 (UTC)
 * It should be added, along with a new main image that shows his face. Jayden Matthews 18:04, November 18, 2011 (UTC)


 * We need the biography updated to reflect Revan leaving Bastila up to his defeat and subsequent placement into stasis for the next 300 years. --Senjuto 02:39, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

I have knowledge of the new Revan novel, but have never played KotoR, unfortunately, and cannot be certain that anything I change might be different in KotoR. It seems a decent amount was retconned, like Revan beginning his journey with Canderous Ordo instead of HK-47 (and leaving everyone else behind for practical reasons, versus a desire to avoid attachment), him taking T3-M4 with him into the unknown regions, and him favoring the single-bladed style, versus the dual blades seen in KotoR II. Not to mention a bunch of other stuff I can't mention for spoilers' sake, except that he is indeed married to Bastila Shan (as mentioned on page four). Also, I've no idea what to keep hidden for TOR's sake. User: Barren167. Quote: Darth Caedus: Childhood fan-character ruined. 15:01, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

New main image.
Now that the NDA has been lifted would it be acceptable to change the main image to one from TOR? If not, for whatever reason, perhaps we could add one from the first KotOR game, as both TOR and the novel make it perfectly clear which of the selectable faces is the canon one. Anyway, here is a file for consideration. Jayden Matthews 16:22, November 19, 2011 (UTC)


 * No, we should hold off for now. Bioware has asked us not to publish any TOR spoilers before the game has been released, which this definitely qualifies as. --Imperialles 17:09, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * The spoiler being Revan's appearance in the game itself? I'm pretty sure it was confirmed some time ago by Bioware. The fact that he finally has a face is not really a spoiler, as it has already been revealed in the book. 86.164.173.25 17:29, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

The fact that he has a canon face in the obvious TOR style is very much a spoiler for someone who happens upon this page pre-TOR release. It's confirmation that Revan appears alive in TOR. It's a spoiler, so keep it off the page. 129.10.231.86 20:10, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Just a heads up: Darth Vader is Luke Skywalker's father! If people don't want to be spoiled they shouldn't come to this site. Bioware revealed that Revan would be in the game months ago. It is not a spoiler. 86.164.173.25 20:45, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * We generally don't put up stuff before they're released, and then the first month the article has spoiler tagging. Internet is full of spoilers, yes, but please do respect community decisions. (: –Tm_T (Talk) 22:24, November 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Just for the record guys, I've recived a reply e-mail from Drew and he verified that none of the selectable faces from the game are canon. Revan's appearance was modeled after a piece of concept art from TOR. I will forward the e-mail to any who would like to read it. Jayden Matthews 10:47, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

Revan novel retconning part of KotoR ending, debatable spoilers not related to above topic.
All right, I can't do anything on the Project The Old Republic page, because the "make new topic" button just leads me to the recent activity page. Thus, I'm putting this in the relatively more appropriate topic, here. How do I work with the differences established between the events stated about Revan's departure in KotoR/KotoR II, and the recent "retcons" of similar information in the novel Revan? Would there be a new section for the differences in behind the scenes, do I just use the retconned material and removed the old, or is there another solution? EDIT: Forgot to sign... User: Barren167. Quote: Darth Caedus: Childhood fan-character ruined. 03:13, November 24, 2011 (UTC)