Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations

 The featured articles of the wiki are articles that represent the best Wookieepedia has to offer. This is not a way to showcase the articles of your favorite characters, spaceships, or the like.


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So just what makes a featured article? Well, we've prepared a list just in case someone should ask that, and it is as follows.

An article must&hellip;


 * 1) &hellip;be well-written and detailed.
 * 2) &hellip;be unbiased, non-point of view.
 * 3) &hellip;be sourced with all available sources and appearances.
 * 4) &hellip;follow the Manual of Style, Layout Guide, and all other policies on Wookieepedia.
 * 5) &hellip;not be the object of any ongoing edit wars.
 * 6) &hellip;not be tagged with any sort of improvement tags (i.e. more sources, expand, etc).
 * 7) &hellip;have a proper lead that gives a good summary of the topic and can be used for the front page featured box.
 * 8) &hellip;have no more than 3 redlinks.
 * 9) &hellip;have significant information from all sources and appearances, especially a biography for character articles.
 * 10) &hellip;not have been previously featured on the Main Page. Otherwise, it can only be restored to featured status.
 * 11) &hellip;be completely referenced for all available material and sources. See Sourcing for more information.
 * 12) &hellip;have all quotes and images sourced.
 * 13) &hellip;provide at least one quote on the article; a leading quote at the beginning is required. Only one quote would be allowed at the beginning of each section at max, although quotes may be placed in the middle of the article.
 * 14) &hellip;include a "personality and traits" section on all character articles.
 * 15) &hellip;include a reasonable number of images of good quality if said images are available.
 * 16) &hellip;pass review by the Inquisitorius review panel.
 * 17) &hellip;counting the introduction and Behind the Scenes material, be at least 1000 words long (not including captions, quotes, or headers, etc).

For more information on what makes a featured article, see What is a featured article?

How to nominate:


 * 1) First, nominate an article you find is worthy of featured status, putting it at the bottom of the list below; see criteria above. Note that a previously featured article cannot be featured on the Main Page again; however, it can be restored to featured status.
 * 2) Others will object to the nomination if they disagree that the article is good enough; they will then supply reasons for doing so, and ways to improve the article (errors, style, organization, images, notability, sources).
 * 3) Supporters adjust the article until the objectors (with reasonable objections) are satisfied.
 * 4) The article is placed on the featured article list and added to the front page queue.
 * 5) Also, if, at least a week after the article's nomination, that article has 5 Inquisitor supports and no objections (or the objections have been stricken or overridden), it will be added to the queue, and will be officially known as a "featured article".

How to vote:


 * 1) Before doing anything, be sure to read the article completely, keeping a sharp eye out for mistakes.
 * 2) Afterwards, compare the article to the criteria listed above, and then either support or object the article's nomination.
 * 3) If you object, please supply concrete reasons for doing so, and how it can be improved. Please cite which rule your objection falls under! Failure to do so will result in your objection being considered invalid.
 * 4) As stated above, any objections will be looked upon by the nominator, supporters, and anyone willing to improve the article, and action will be taken to please the objectors.
 * 5) Once all objectors' complaints have been solved (or the article has 5 Inquisitor supports and no objections after at least a week), the article will be added to the queue and be officially known as a "featured article".

Also remember to add nominated at the top of the article you are nominating.

Every Sunday the next article in the queue will be highlighted on the Main Page as featured, marked with the featured template and removed from the list of nominations. The beginning of the article then appears on the Main Page via the featured article template. Nominees that are inactive for a month will be eliminated from the nominations list.

(4 Inqs/2 Users/6 total)
Support Oppose Other than that, the article is pretty good, especially on the P&T. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 04:42, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Bringbacknom!   20:08 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Thefourdotelipsis 01:52, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) It's come a long way.  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Nice job on the objections.  Greyman ( Paratus ) 22:47, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5)  Chack Jadson  Talk  15:35, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Cull Tremayne 17:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Could use some expansion, and there are way too many quotes. Better sectioning is also needed. Darthchristian  ( Hey! ) 13:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The number of quotes is simply insane. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 19:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC) Seems to be addressed.  Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 22:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Per Darthchristian. Chack Jadson 19:52, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It also needs and Personality and Traits section. Darthchristian   ( Hey! ) 16:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Done!-- Harrar 01:13, 17 August 2007 (GMT)
 * From the desk of Ataru
 * Intro: Favour-->favor
 * Intro, Para 1, Line 3, reword sentence about "for the failure of . . . "- doesn't read well
 * Intro, comma after However
 * Intro, Para 2: Faith in what?
 * Intro: Remove speculation about Qorealists
 * Intro: Add a comma after Thus or remove it.
 * Sectioning looks bad. Why is there a single subsection under each section?
 * 1.1: Reword: "It appears that Harrar . . ."- sounds OOU.
 * 1.1: Fix comma errors surrounding "However"
 * 1.2: Given command, not commands
 * 1.2: Reword "And it was there" to "where". Conciseness should be prized.
 * 1.2.1, comma after Falcon
 * 1.2.1, remove comma after dismally
 * 1.3, worshiped should be worshipped
 * 1.3, Para 2, Line 3, add comma after and
 * 1.3.1: Reword to "enough time to recover from the loss of Coruscant" or "enough time to recuperate" or similar
 * 1.3.1, Para 1, line 4, Remove comma after "and"
 * 1.3.1: Jumps from Borleias to Coruscant without explanation. Expand.
 * 1.4: Revealed is mispelled.
 * 1.4: Weasel words on Qorealist part
 * 1.4: comma after "At first"
 * 1.4, Para 1, add comma after However
 * 1.4, Para 3, remove commma after and
 * 1.4: Remove first "her" in "asked her of her discoveries"
 * 1.5: remove "had in fact"; doesn't read well
 * 1.5: reword to say "Harrar stated that learning of the possible connection between the ancient Yuuzhan Vong homeworld and Zonoma Sekot had shattered . . . "
 * 1.5: reword first sentence of 2nd Paragraph
 * 1.5, 2nd Para, add comma after There
 * 1.5.1: learnt-->learned
 * 1.5.1: decapitalize liberation
 * 1.5.1: "for they were the only way to save his people" is POV
 * Too many quotes
 * No P&T
 * I'm a bit rusty on NJO, but I'm sure he had a bigger role than this. Needs expansion.
 * Traitor is not listed under appearances.
 * No info from Enemy Lines I.
 * P&T not sourced yet.
 * Have a nice day.&mdash; Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 20:49, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * A few things:
 * Infobox image lacks a proper source and description; it also needs to be cropped.
 * Cropped,sourced, described-- Harrar 01:13, 17 August 2007 (GMT)
 * Infobox is poorly formatted: the "|" signs should be in front of the variables, not behind them. ("|name=Harrar", not "name=Harrar|")
 * Done!-- Harrar 01:13, 17 August 2007 (GMT)
 * 1.1: "Years" in "Early Years" should be decapitalized per WP:MOS.
 * Done-- Harrar 01:13, 17 August 2007 (GMT)
 * 1.3: Odd sentence: "The invasion still continued to proceed well"
 * Changed -- Harrar 01:13, 17 August 2007 (GMT)
 * I wish I had a catchphrase to put here. --Imperialles 14:54, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Minorly reword 2nd sentence in intro.
 * All done. Cheers for the help-- Harrar 18:18, 22 August 2007 (GMT)
 * A few suggestions for improvement
 * More detail in intro about Harrar was "instrumental in ending the conflict."
 * Vary starts to sentences in The Elan debacle. "He... He... Harrar... Harrar..." Mix them up a little.
 * Clarify that Khalee Lah did, in fact, die.
 * In "together, they would capture the elusive Jedi," (Resurgence, paragraph 3), "would" should be changed to "planned to," since they did not capture Solo.
 * Way too many "He's" at the beginning of sentences (four in a row) in the 3rd paragraph of Zonama Sekot.
 * In a skirmish with Anor in which he very much had the traitorous Intendant on the back foot? What does this mean?
 * Taken into account and changed. Thanks Hobbes, and took out the "back foot" bit - its an English expression for when you're beating someone in a fight.-- Harrar 18:18, 22 August 2007 (GMT)
 * Source it properly. Green Tentacle (Talk) 12:52, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Can you elaborate? By "it" do you mean the article in general? If so, I'm not 100% sure on how to do it properly. -- Harrar 20:45, 28 August 2007 (GMT)
 * Specifically:
 * Early years: "However, he continued to serve the government of Shimrra Jamaane for many years, viewing the Supreme Overlord as the conduit to the gods."
 * The duty of the priest: Third paragraph.
 * Departure into the unknown: "The deception priest, if that was who he continued to be after such a journey of self-discovery, remained on the living planet and led his people to their new future."
 * Personality and traits: "It was this loyalty to the Yuuzhan Vong which gave Harrar the strength to seemingly betray them."
 * And the infobox, while we're at it. Green Tentacle (Talk) 15:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * 1) He's not in Enemy Lines I - that appears to have been an erroneous appearance. That's everything about Harrar there as far as I know. P&T sourced, no redlinks, referencing. If anyone could help with pictures that'd be nice. Harrar  16:21, 14 August 2007 (GMT)
 * Ok, thanks for working on it. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) *Really sorry about striking people's objections, I mistakenly assumed that's what you did after you had acted upon the suggestions...now I know. Harrar 15:49, 15 August 2007 (GMT)

Remove Nom (Inq only)
 * 1)   Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 19:04, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2)  Doesn't look like it's going anywhere. Green Tentacle (Talk) 13:38, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)   Greyman ( Paratus ) 19:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4)   Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 01:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

(6 Inqs/6 Users/12 Total)
Support Object
 * 1) Nominated. This article was stripped of its FA status a while ago. Chack Jadson 21:00, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2)  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 13:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 16:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Green Tentacle (Talk) 17:48, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 5)  Jaina Solo ( Talk ) [[Image:Jainasolosig.gif |25px]] 18:10, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Great article. [[Image:The Death of Ki-Adi-Mundi.jpg|40px]]  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers! ) 18:57, 20 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Love it Dark Lord Xander 06:59, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Very well written.  Victor  ( talk ) 01:52, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) Thefourdotelipsis 23:55, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) It's one of the better articles i've seen on Wookieepedia. Destroyer Droid 20:06, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 11) Impressive. Good work. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 05:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 12) --Eyrezer 05:33, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) I really hate to have to do this but since I read it a few days ago there's an edit war brewing over whether Revan's holocron should be listed as one of Bane's masters (it clearly shouldn't) and over his eye colour. There's also now a [source?] tag in the behind the scenes section and somebody's messed up one of the references so that it no longer has a name listed. Until those issues are resolved I have to object. Green Tentacle (Talk) 15:32, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) *Actually, forget the reference bit, Greyman's fixed it. Green Tentacle (Talk) 15:33, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Per GT. This is a really annoying thing to have going on, but until the edit conflict is resolved, I unfortunately have to withdraw my support as well.  Greyman ( Paratus ) 15:36, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) I can't support this while muppets keep adding Revan in the "master" field and "yellow" in eye colour. QuentinGeorge 21:14, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) You might need to clarify the bit about Lucas creating the character a bit more since it would appear that not everybody's happy with it. Green Tentacle (Talk) 09:12, 23 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) *Found a source. Green Tentacle (Talk) 12:27, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think more from the duel with Kas'im should be included, including his trick with 2 lightsabers that he'd concealed from Bane.
 * The bit about Rain finding her own way off Ruusan, is that actually in JvS as referenced?
 * It's from the Dark Forces Saga and New Essential Chronology - it, however, is referenced incorrectly in the article. QuentinGeorge 22:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Some of the P&T doesn't seem very well strung together. There is also some overlap that should be avoided.
 * "Bane was independent, defying Qordis, and heading to Lehon instead of joining Kaan's army. After Lehon, Bane became confident in his supremely talented self. He manipulated others for his own purposes, not telling Githany or Kas'im about the private lessons he was taking with them" - the order of this needs to be reversed. It is as though going to Lehon led to the manipulation but the timing was the other way around.
 * The BTS on his origins should be expanded, making more mention of his specific appearances and how that developed.
 * Also the article makes no mention of the conflicts between JvS and POD. Surely this needs to go in the BTS at least. --Eyrezer 01:15, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, add in a in-depth continuity section, as there is many continuity differences between Bane's first mention in TPM novel, his appearances in Bane of the Sith and JvS, and then in PoD. He's a walking continuity nightmare, and Karpyshyn's disdain for canon hasn't helped. As it stands, it seems to heap all the blame on BotS and give the impression the others are saintly and without taint. QuentinGeorge 22:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Some of the references are wrong, (notably the elements from NEC are incorrectly labelled as Bane of the Sith) and there is a persistent troll intent on proving to all us misguided folks that Bane of the Sith is "noncanon". (It isn't, and said troll has been told as much many times before). QuentinGeorge 22:49, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Right, now said troll's essay has been added to the article. It needs to be removed, or at the very least, heavily trimmed. At the moment it is a painfully fanboyish harangue against KJA and Bane of the Sith in particular. I have no qualms on an actual "continuity curiousities" section, but it needs to be a) sourced b) free of POV and agenda pushing and C) Map ALL the continuity of Bane and the Ruusan-era Sith, starting from Bane's Lucas conception, through his depiction in the TPM novel, THEN the concurrent release of JvS and BotS, then the depiction of Kaan et al in the Dark Forces flashback, THEN the depiction in PoD. As it currently stands, the section reads like some sort of diatribe on why BotS is horrible and non-canon and KJA a hack because of "contradictions" with later source material. I am not in any sense of form a big fan of KJA, but this sort of agenda-pushing leaves me cold. QuentinGeorge 06:35, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed.  Chack Jadson  Talk 14:29, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The last three paragraphs of "Personality and traits" consist of two sentences each. Expand each of them enough to warrant such paragraphing, or elegantly merge the three. --Imperialles 19:37, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The above problem applies to the "Powers and abilities" section as well. One- or two-sentence paragraphs just doesn't look very good. Could you have a quick look at the section? --Imperialles 13:07, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Introduction: "Palpatine's rule as Emperor would continue until his defeat at the hands of Anakin Skywalker, formerly Darth Vader, and his son, Luke, two decades later." What's the relevance? Can we remove this sentence? --Imperialles 13:37, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed.  Chack Jadson  Talk 02:21, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Speculation in BTS: "Also, Bane is an English name which means "long-awaited child." Though there is no current proof that the English name applies, there may yet be undisclosed information concerning his family life and childhood. It is also possible that this meaning is implying how important he was to the dark side, reaffirming the possibility of him as the long awaited Sith'ari." --Imperialles 14:04, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Blasted! Speculation go boom! Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:38, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * From the longship of Imperialles:
 * 4.0: "A Darth Bane action figure was just announced at San Diego Comic Con 2007. He will be part of a new Evolutions set, featuring Darth Nihilus, and a shirtless Darth Maul. It can be seen here." Relevance? Either remove this, or create a Merchandise section.
 * 4.1: "Jan Duursema's depiction of Bane in Star Wars Legacy was in fact based on the partially completed costume of a fan, Thomas J. Spanos." This should either be merged with an existing paragraph, or expanded enough to warrant a separate paragraph.
 * 4.2: This entire section reads like a list. It could use a rewrite.
 * Thank you. --Imperialles 16:35, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * Nice job on clearing up the points I left for you, Chack. Greyman ( Paratus ) 16:38, 13 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sourced the in Bts. Chack Jadson 11:09, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey everyone, this conflict has been fixed. Chack Jadson 11:48, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm abstaining my vote because I haven't finished Path of Destruction yet and I don't want to be spoiled.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 19:55, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The only reason I am not in 100% favor of making this a featured article, is because we haven't made an exact time-line with all the contradictions with the various sources, I still believe it deserves a spot as a featured article, though. Destroyer Droid 20:06, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Are there any objections that are not addressed? Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 16:50, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

(2 Inq/4 Users/6 Total)
Support
 * 1) I've worked long on this article, and I think it is worthy. Any comments/criticism would be helpful.&mdash; Darthtyler Talk 01:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Thefourdotelipsis 00:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)  Chack Jadson  Talk  23:31, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4)  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 15:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) -- [[Image:AckbarSig.jpg|40px]] dmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 15:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Ozzel 04:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Object
 * '''From the desk of Atarumaster88
 * Remove speculation on origin/parents' history
 * Not enough explanation of sunnydew nectar. Doesn't make much sense.
 * Wicket and Teebo incident section doesn't make much sense. There's irrelevant information that could be condensed, but it doesn't explain why they need to bother Gantu.
 * Wicket and Teebo's escape section doesn't make much sense either. It's written more like part of Teebo's bio, not Gantu's. The action is centered around the deeds of the Ewoks, not the subject (Gantu). Still don't get the whole sunnydew/Zandor Rocker thing.
 * P&T is rather short.
 * Is "Sunnydew nectar" a) supposed to be capitalized b) need to be linked three or four times?
 * Always hard to tell with comics, by my feeling is: no. I fixed the case, and it seems the links have already been fixed. -- Ozzel
 * Remove referencing from intro, per Sourcing.
 * Intro just doesn't read well, particularly the second paragraph.
 * Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:37, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, are you being sarcastic? (that last line about the super happy un frustrating part.)&mdash; Darthtyler Talk 16:39, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Not that it matters, but no, I'm not being sarcastic. I don't want people to think it's personal and that I'm picking on them- I do this to everyone. The exact phrasing was inspired by Darth Culator. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Well that makes sense too, I guess.&mdash; Darthtyler Talk 16:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Remove bullets from behind the scenes, the Lilo and Stitch bit has nothing to do with anything, fix the source on Image:Coruscanti ogre vs Divto.jpg, referencing should be per paragraph or maybe removed entirely since it's single source, which also means you don't need the first appearance bit. Green Tentacle (Talk) 17:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Done.&mdash; Darthtyler Talk 17:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I'd like to see the intro be fleshed out. I don't think it's long enough for the Main Page yet. -- Ozzel 08:07, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I tweaked it a little bit, but I agree. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 13:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Speculation in the Behind the scenes section. --Imperialles 19:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Comments

(1 Inq/3 Users/4 Total)
Support
 * 1) Previously featured.  Chack Jadson  Talk 14:36, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:The Death of Ki-Adi-Mundi.jpg|40px]]  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers! ) 00:45, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 15:45, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Unit 8311 15:25, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Conflicting sources should be sorted out. [[Image:The Death of Ki-Adi-Mundi.jpg|40px]]  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers! ) 19:58, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The article says "Fighting broke out all over Pau City between droid and clone forces, destroying large parts of the sinkhole," and cites Revenge of the Sith. But I didn't see the sinkhole itself sustaining any damage when I saw the film . -LtNOWIS 01:56, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, I don't think there should be quite so many inter-section quotes, especially in "Endgame." -LtNOWIS 01:56, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed.  Chack Jadson  Talk 23:01, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * From the desk of Atarumaster88
 * Needs a reference at the end of "In the service of San Hill"
 * Needs a reference at the end of "The beginning of the war"
 * A bit more information from Labyrinth of Evil is needed.
 * IIRC, LOE has details on Belderone, etc, particularly when he rescues Gunray. I'd like to see that expounded upon. Some guy 15:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah. Sorry, some guy. ;)  Chack Jadson  Talk 22:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Some sticky wording in the death section, particularly in "However, during the fight, Kenobi had pulled one of Grievous's chest plates off, Grievous's armor having been previously damaged by Windu, revealing the synth-skin gutsack holding Grievous's remaining organs"<s?
 * P&T has no mention of his "softer" (okay, maybe just less bloodthirsty) side with Kunmar.
 * First lines of talents needs ref'd.
 * (Talents) "Formal forms"? Reword please.
 * Have a Super Terrific Friendly Unfrustrating day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed.  Chack Jadson  Talk 20:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see a solid source for the Gary Oldman thing. Also, you might want to mention George's plans for effing with Grivie's history in the upcoming cartoon. -- Ozzel 03:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sourced the first. For the second, where did you find that?  Chack Jadson  Talk 21:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I may be wrong, but I would think that the content from the Grievous comic would need a bit more fleshing out than just a passing mention. Thefourdotelipsis 23:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, the coverage of things such as the Clone Wars Adventures books are far too light. And sometimes non existent. Thefourdotelipsis 23:39, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Far too many images (Criteria 15). --Imperialles 19:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Unsourced entries in the trivia section. Come to think of it, we should probably either get rid of the trivia section entirely, or merge the interesting parts with other sections. --Imperialles 14:18, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I think the trivia section should be kept. It'll be interesting information for some people. Unit 8311 16:57, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * Well written overall and a pleasure to read. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

(5 Inq/7 Users/12 Total)
Support Oppose
 * 1) Nominated.--Goodwood 11:19, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Although i would prefer *see comment* it's still a brilliant article. Tutos Lumenarious 21:58, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Good work. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 01:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Thefourdotelipsis 08:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) I'd decided to stay as far away from this FA-business as possible, but in recognition of the effort put into this great article, I'm going to cast a supporting vote. KEJ 11:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) *I think you're in the wrong section then. :P -- [[Image:AckbarSig.jpg|40px]] dmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 11:10, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) **Oh, you're right. Thanks for telling me. KEJ 11:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) ***No problem. -- [[Image:AckbarSig.jpg|40px]] dmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 22:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 21:44, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) -- [[Image:AckbarSig.jpg|40px]] dmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 22:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 11)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 02:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 12) A really creative topic for an article. Nice to see it given such through attention. Nice work!  --Eyrezer 03:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 13) Per Eyrez. I wanna see more articles like this, covering vast concepts thoroughly and, yes, even interestingly.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 22:16, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 14) Per Gonk. jSarek 00:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 15) Cull Tremayne 18:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 16) I appreciate the promptness in the addressing of objections. Brilliant work. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 23:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The complete lack of film screenshots raises my eyebrow. Thefourdotelipsis 09:30, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've substituted a few of the more pathetic current images with film screenshots already on-site. Hope that makes the difference though I can always scrounge more...--Goodwood 12:21, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Skywalker Loop is linked in the article, but the source it's from doesn't have any other coverage. The book is called Starfighter Battle Book - X-Wing vs. TIE Interceptor; it's all about dogfighting. I hate to say it, but you might have a lot more material to cover. (If you need help finding the book, ask on IRC.) Also, the Ssi-ruuk used entechment to power their starfighters, which was pretty unique. That might warrant coverage. -LtNOWIS 01:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've been through that battle book frontwards and backwards, LtNOWIS, and that's just about the only useful thing I got out of it. Basically the book is a "choose your story" except the "story choices" are "maneuvers" and you turn to the appropriate page to figure out the results. I have, however, added a notation about the Ssi-ruuk and entechment (included in a section in Technology about droid starfighters--not enough room in the History section)--Goodwood 02:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. -LtNOWIS 16:37, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice article, very thorough. Two points: Firstly, when describing the Ssi-ruuk and entechment, you use "essentially sucked the soul out of a living being and implanted it". That is not very encyclopedic. I think "soul" should be removed and the sentence reworded. Secondly, in the history section, mention should be made of a starfighter destroying the first Death Star. Surely, this is one of the most significant actions undertaken by starfighters! --Eyrezer 05:08, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Addressed. Note: Insofar as the notation about entechment goes, you're correct however I've modified the sentence to reflect the narrative -- if I recall correctly both Ssi-ruu and others referred to the process thusly (or, at least how I amended it to be), including Dev Sibwarra and Luke Skywalker. I could perhaps add Dev's quote on the process from The New Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology -- which, incidentally, I now have.--Goodwood 20:10, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * From someone who isn't here
 * Haven't read the whole thing thoroughly, but it seems to skimp on a number of NJO and post NJO details, such as stutter-fire and shield trios. Actually, the whole tactic of close formations to increase shield strength (mentioned in VotF also) could use some mention. some guy who isn't here. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 19:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The shield trios has been addressed. Greyman ( Paratus ) 22:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Not nearly enough. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 17:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Try it now...look under "Other Tactics".
 * I've read The Krytos Trap many times and never does it make doctrinal statements that are in the characteristics section AFAIK. Source or remove it.
 * Addressed; I have rephrased the source.
 * Does it actually state that the dogfight is the main type of starfighter engagement? Source or remove
 * Addressed: "Dogfight" is used in virtually every mention of starfighter combat that there is within canon.
 * Where does it say NR fighters are more effective than the Empire's overall? This would seem to contradict that.
 * Addressed. Rephrased the statement.
 * Ridiculously large amount of Original Research in the training section. You cannot assume that everyone trains the same as the Alliance does. The Making of Baron Fel has some info on Imperial training methods.
 * Partially addressed - unable to obtain The Making of Baron Fel for study, however have included a statement from another source which should add a bit of contrast.
 * Better, but no cigar. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 17:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I have added a section on Imperial methods, from three different sources, including the (extremely meager) Fel story. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 03:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Source the part about dying within 5 missions. (3.4)
 * Addressed.
 * Information on Chiss droid starfighters needs added (ref Force Heretic II)
 * Addressed. Prototype only; mentioned in passing.
 * Actually, Ssi-ruuk droids are smaller than Rebel starfighters if you check TAB. Please correct and adjust paragraph.
 * Addressed.
 * 6.1 What does "The battle was pitched" mean?
 * Addressed. Rephrased the statement.
 * Lots of fluff in the history sections- irrelevant information that could be culled and trimmed.
 * Addressed as I was able.
 * Excessive/redundant internal linking. Needs HTML cleanup.
 * Addressed so far.
 * A quick look still shows multiple links to the same thing (mostly involving redirects- TIE fighter, Rebel Alliance, etc. as well as the 1st mention of a topic not being linked per MoS. A number of battles mentioned are not linked in the history section Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 17:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Darth Culator fixed it for us.--Goodwood 12:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Pictures aren't relevant. Battle at Kuat has nothing to do with Thrawn campaign.
 * Addressed.
 * Some sections can get away with having random pictures of starfighters shooting each other. Some can't. At the very least, 3, 5, 6, 9 (atmospheric combat only), and 10 should have only context-relevant images, which they don't atm. Only 9 does currently.  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 17:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * At the request of Goodwood, I went through the article and, to my knowledge, addressed the picture objections. Greyman ( Paratus ) 22:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * IIRC, StealthXs have slightly less firepower than XJs.
 * Addressed. Yes, addressed.
 * No mention of CCIR Needles at all. For shame- those things could have revolutionized starfighter combat.
 * Addressed.
 * Link to battle with two SSDs.
 * Addressed.
 * There are large numbers of quality images available, yet the images in this article seemed scattered and arbitary. Could use a few more pics to provide an even spacing of images. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 17:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Doing my best so far...I hope you're not planning on making this a separate objection from what is essentially the same one, four objections up.
 * At the request of Goodwood, I went through the article and, to my knowledge, addressed the picture objections. Greyman ( Paratus ) 22:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC) addressed
 * "Doctoral" statements in one of the first references should be "doctrinal" statements.
 * Addressed.--Goodwood 01:11, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The Adumari have a whole culture built around starfighters, starfighter combat, and starfighter pilots, and no mention at all? Their honor duels should be mentioned somewhere please.
 * Addressed.--Goodwood 01:11, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * In Betrayal, Wedge (through Syal) makes some doctrinal statements about missile runs on capital ships. Should those be included?
 * I just added the whole Legacy of the Force series to the first footnote, including, by extention, Betrayal.--Goodwood 21:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * What I meant was that Wedge makes some specific comments about how to make missile runs on capital ships that I feel should be mentioned in the article. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, I personally think Thrawn's use of starfighters in the battles with the Vagaari and with Outbound Flight could use some mention. (Outbound Flight (novel) Actually, no mention of the Battle of Naboo or Stark Hyperspace War either. A short history section entitled something like "Republic's decline" would be good between the Mando/Jedi Civil War and Clone Wars.  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Section on Republic Decline added.--Goodwood 21:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * A brief mention of Death Seed Crisis and Black Fleet Crisis in History section please. Both featured somewhat significant starfighter engagements.
 * Black Fleet Crisis is already mentioned in the Starfighters versus capital ships section. I've added a mention of the second Death Seed pandemic in the section about the CCIR Needle, essentially tying the Needle in with that crisis. In the context of the history section, they're not so important that they merit two separate mentions apiece (remember your earlier objection about "fluff" in the history section?) I take that back. Section on Black Fleet Crisis added.--Goodwood 21:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. The Black Fleet Crisis section has been edited down to my satisfaction. And with the Nam Chorios/Death Seed/CCIR section, I've provided a model for what I'm looking for when I ask for brief expansions covering certain areas. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Need a brief expansion of X-wing sabotage and Battle of Almania, as well as First Corellian Insurrection. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * X-wing sabotage? Anyway, I've added a section about the "New Rebellion" as well as the First Corellian Insurrection.--Goodwood 06:03, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating Day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you.--Goodwood 02:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Getting there...--Goodwood 20:35, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Trying my damnest...but then again there is no try, only do or do not. Heh.--Goodwood 01:11, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * As far as I've read, it looks very good. But The CCIR Needle needs to be referenced. I'll read more later. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 22:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Addressed.
 * Okay, here are a few objections.
 * In The Great Hyperspace War and Great Sith War, wasn't there only one meditation sphere, the one that Sadow had?
 * If Exile is to be believed, then there were more than just the one Meditation Sphere that was used by Sadaw and Gav Daragon.--Goodwood 20:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you have a page number for this? I don't recall it being mentioned, but I'm probably wrong. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 04:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Not really, just that the novel features another Meditation Sphere from around that time - Ben Skywalker finds it on Ziost, which would tend to indicate that there were more then just tone one used by Sadow and Gav Daragon. Howver, I've amended the line per your objection.--Goodwood 12:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh... I thought that you meant the novel specifically mentioned the use of multiple meditiation spheres in the battle. Maybe the one in Exile was from a different time period. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 23:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Following a defeat by Thrawn, Zaarin attempted to flee into hyperspace with the corvette, ignorant of the dangers"? The last bit should be reworded a bit.
 * Addressed.--Goodwood 20:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "With starfighters serving their part, including the newly-formed Wraith Squadron once Rogue Squadron had come back from fighting the Bacta War" does not make sense.
 * Addressed.--Goodwood 20:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * In The Thrawn Campaign, mention that Thrawn began outfitting some of his TIE Interceptors with shields.
 * I cannot recall any mention of this from the Thrawn trilogy. If you would be so kind as to give me a source I'd be glad to put it in.--Goodwood 20:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm almost sure it's in Dark Force Rising, which, unfortunately, I do not own. I'll try and get my hands on it sometime soon, though. If anyone does have it, I'd appreciate it if you could check. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 04:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I have DFR but I don't remember seeing that. On the other hand, a number of other books feature modified TIEs with shields and hyperdrives--I've added a notation about this in the Hyperdrive subsection of Starfighter technology.--Goodwood 12:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That works for me. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 23:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The Aleph-class fighters did in fact see some action in the final months of the Yuuzhan Vong War, though very little (see page 319 of Betrayal).
 * Addressed.
 * A little more detail on how to avoid being shot down by The Trap would be good.
 * Addressed.
 * Attack Pattern D'moporai is not referenced.
 * Addressed.
 * Perhaps add Wes Janson to notable pilots? Just my personal opinion, though, not necessary.
 * I would have, but I didn't want to overbalance the "Rebel/New Republic" section in relation to the rest; by way of compromise the choice was made to add a picture and link to his page in the Pilots section.--Goodwood 12:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Fine with me. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 23:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * These are mainly minor things though. Overall, the article looks great, and I'll be happy to vote for it once these little things are addressed. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 04:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Every little bit helps.--Goodwood 12:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like they're all fixed. Good job. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 23:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll read more later. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 17:09, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The entire "Tactics and maneuvers" section is basically a long list. Would it be possible to flesh this out a bit? If not, consider merging several sections. --Imperialles 20:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Considering that a fair number of the "main articles" for those tactics were written by me, I don't really see any alternative to what your objecting to - it should be a list, organized by category (sections within a section). Besides, it makes for easy reference this way - but that's just one fellow's opinion.--Goodwood 21:15, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with Goodwood's approach here. A short description of the most mentioned tactics, plus links to main articles and other tactics seems like the best way to handle this. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I just feel such a list belongs more at, say, List of starfighter combat tactics than in this article. Wouldn't it be preferable to have sections on starfighter tactics and maneuvers in general? --Imperialles 14:09, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * We discussed this in IRC and reached a compromise: Keep all the information from the "Tactics and maneuvers" sections in the article, but convert the list to prose. --Imperialles 18:35, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * I've worked my fingers to the bone to get this article where it is now, but I'm not complaining because this has been a labor of love. All reasonable objections/suggestions will be taken into due consideration and acted upon.--Goodwood 11:19, 12 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Not complaining or anything but i think it's a little long, could it not be devided into different sections of something like that?Tutos Lumenarious 22:01, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Breaking the article up into different articles would defeat the purpose of the article. Hence why I've included a veritable cornucopia of links to more in-depth articles on various covered subjects.--Goodwood 20:20, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This isn't enough of an objection to actually object, but couldn't we get a more appropriate infobox? With the recent work done on space warfare, I think there's justification for a category and infobox for "forms of combat" or something similar. Other than that, nice work. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 04:40, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

(4 Inq/5 Users/9 Total)
Support
 * 1) My... first... (finished) FA attempt. -- Ozzel 03:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Almost too far outside the box...but the Inqs won't complain. [[Image:The Death of Ki-Adi-Mundi.jpg|40px]]  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers! ) 18:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) *Huh? You know in advance what every inq is going to say? That is extraordinary. AdmirableAckbar 23:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Nice. Joker1138 ( Mandalore ) [[Image:MandalorianSymbol.jpg|25px]] 02:03, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Superlative. We need to see more of this stuff. Thefourdotelipsis 06:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6)  Chack Jadson  Talk  22:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Adamwankenobi 05:25, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Lord Hydronium 06:49, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 9)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 02:01, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) Cull Tremayne 18:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * From the desk of Atarumaster88
 * Second paragraph of "Origin": First sentence reads a bit awkwardly. Reword please.
 * More context on "The Southern Underground" please.
 * Is it just me, or is "bombastic use" a bit POVish?
 * More context on "Into the Sewers" A reader clicking this link may not be familiar with SoTE, so who the heroes are should be expounded upon.
 * Reference the orchestra credits please. Referencing everyone individually shouldn't be necessary, but it should list where the information came from. Was it from the CD packaging?
 * Adjust categorization as it does not appear to be a spoken article.
 * "Tracks" section- Williams "Main Theme" should either be italicized or de-capitalized. I didn't adjust it because I was unsure of which was appropriate. Ditto with all the other tracks, but I don't think the headers need adjusted.
 * I'm a bit confused- CD artwork pic at the bottom says the artwork was by Struzan while the infobox states it was McQuarrie. Please clarify or just explain. ;-)
 * Reference the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs of release. As you've already set precedent by refing the liner notes, please carry it all the way through if that is where the information is from.
 * Reference 2nd paragraph of "Xizor's Theme" please.
 * Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I think I've addressed everything except for expanding the story info on those two tracks (which are the shortest two after all, but I'll still try to add a little) and sourcing irrefutable, obvious facts. As you say, this is setting a precedent, so I think it's important not to go overboard. I don't think we should necessarily apply the same exact standards for sourcing OOU as with IU. For example, by saying the music appears in the SOTE video game, there is no need for a source. If I said it's used in a video game, or just somewhere else in general, then yes, sourcing with the video game would be appropriate. But the statement as it is already sources itself. Also, saying what is in the liner notes: that's just a fact. The liner notes don't say what's in the liner notes; they are the liner notes. Look, I'm all for being thorough, but we gotta draw the line somewhere, as the good captain says... well, you know. -- Ozzel 08:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You may have a point, but I'm still going to add the end of the first paragraph in The Destruction of Xizor's Palace to the sourcing list. :P Green Tentacle (Talk) 17:30, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Just a couple of objections on this
 * I think I get where Ozzel's coming from on the liner notes, but the three sentences before that need to be sourced, even if that doesn't, in my opinion.
 * Make that just the first sentence.
 * Suggestion: For expansion on The Southern Underground, a little more information on who Spero is would be nice.
 * Those are my only problems with this nom. Intriguing type of article, Ozzel ;). Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 03:49, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * Definitely open for suggestions here. Considering we don't have many other real world FAs to compare it to, I tried to use some album FAs at Wikipedia as models. -- Ozzel 03:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Great to see this here. A truly one-of-a-kind article :) ...Just a couple of requests. One, can it include a brief MP3 or OGG clip from one of the songs? "Xizor's Theme" would seem to be the best choice. (I'd be happy to rip and edit just such a clip, though I can only encode MP3s.) Two, the Misconceptions section could use clarification/expansion; it doesn't clearly indicate, in some cases, whether these "rumors" are true or not. The last two bullets in particular puzzle me; if neither is true, we need to cite how we know that, and if they may be true/maybe not, the header for that section shouldn't be Misconceptions.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 20:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) I'd like to include sound clips too; in fact, I already prepared some a while back. However, I very much dislike the template we currently use for sounds. If we could maybe bring in the one from Wikipedia, I'd be happy to put them in. 2) I figured this section might give me trouble, but I'd hate to lose it. It's just hard to prove something is not true without someone flat out denying it. I think most of the things I put are okay, because they are already contradicted by facts earlier in the article (from valid sources). The refs I provided for those were just to show that they are in fact real rumors that are out there. (And, I have to disagree with Jorrel: I think Wikipedia is a perfectly valid source when being used as a source for misinformation.) Still, I'm open to suggestions on how to improve this. -- Ozzel 20:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I made improvised a template and added 3 sound clips. -- Ozzel 07:04, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm undecided on this, but perhaps the Dha Werda Verda section should be moved to later in the article, but that's not really an objection. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the last two paragraphs of "Reception" could be changed to "Criticism" and given their own section. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I somewhat give the Misconceptions section an askance look. It just feels off, both in formatting and content, but it's not in the rules. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This is a new type of FA nom, so I want it to be really good, and it's also precedent, which is another reason to insist on high quality stuff. Overall impressive and the objections I have are mostly minor. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:39, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

(6 Inq/4 Users/10 total)
Support
 * 1) --MIS Tau 1 02:28, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Thefourdotelipsis 02:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) --Eyrezer 01:10, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Bah! One laser cannon. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 04:26, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Lord Hydronium 11:04, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) I am the God of Hell-Fire, and I bring you...  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 14:33, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 7)  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 23:02, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Good to see it here, where it belongs. :-) jSarek 03:30, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) Cull Tremayne 18:27, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) --Goodwood 01:05, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

Objections
 * From the desk of Atarumaster88
 * Reference Cygnus Spaceworks in infobox please.
 * Would it be possible to get an idea of what the Missile Boats were fighting induring the Voryxnx and research facility attack? The bit about the 3 Carracks is nice, but what were the research platforms attacked by? Capital ships? Fighters? A meticulous count is not needed, just a general idea of opposition.
 * Links to specific actions against Zaarin, Bothans, etc. please.
 * A bit more context on rescuing Palpatine please. If that wasn't the last sortie, it needs to be placed before the last sortie part. If it was, the rest of the article needs adjusted.
 * Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 03:48, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * All issues except Cygnus source, and Un-frustrating day addressed--MIS Tau 1 08:33, 26 August 2007 (UTC).
 * Manufacturer has been sources, and my day is good to go now.--MIS Tau 1 22:21, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Source for "Most fans consider the original, sleeker representation from TIE Fighter to be the "true" representation"? - Lord Hydronium 09:22, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That was prior to my edit. Removed.--MIS Tau 1 10:55, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm. Source the name, please. Green Tentacle (Talk) 13:50, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Moved to Missile Boat until the name can be sourced.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 17:22, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you Gonk. I still have yet to find anysource for this title, see the MIS Talk page concerning this issue.--MIS Tau 1 22:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see some more context added to the beginning of the History section. When did all this take place? Clarify that it was introduced in the Galactic Civil War. --Imperialles 19:50, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * Very solid, well-written nom overall, especially from someone new to FA. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 03:48, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * You forgot your Inq sig, Cull.--Goodwood 01:05, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Bah! :-P Cull Tremayne 04:36, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

(2 Inq/0 User/2 total)
Support
 * 1) The Dude. Thefourdotelipsis 12:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 19:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Objections Comments
 * This suggest he may have been in the NJOSB. If not, and this page is original material, it should be added to the sources. --Eyrezer 09:07, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Thefourdotelipsis 23:50, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * DAVID WARNERING! HEAVY SPOILERS WITHIN FOR INFERNO! YOU HAVE BEEN ADVISED. Thefourdotelipsis 12:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

(3 Inquisitors/3 Users/6 Total. This is the complete amount of votes.)
The area under which you vote to support
 * 1) This is a vote to support. Thefourdotelipsis 12:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Now this is funny.  Chack Jadson  Talk 14:04, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) --  Darth Culator  (Talk) 20:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) I'd probably prefer to see the caption go, but I won't hold that against the article. Green Tentacle (Talk) 09:19, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) This entry indicates my support. Master Aban Fiolli (Alpheridies University ComNet) [[Image:NewRepublic.png|25px]] 23:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) This is a vote in support of the Ric Olié article being highlighted as a featured article. If the caption goes, I'll strike my vote... and I said "I'll strike my vote." KEJ 14:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) I believe that the article for the Star Wars character Ric Olié is worthy of featured article status. Adamwankenobi 23:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

'''The area under which you vote to oppose. Also, the area under which Ataru makes a list of complaints'''
 * Sorry. Rule 5. And the question of who is engaging in the edit war isn't relevant to rule 5, so this objection will stay until the subject is dropped. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 23:34, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Per the talk page, the issue appears to be settled unless someone does something incredibly stupid to restart it. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 20:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

The area under which comments are made
 * WARNING. THERE ARE NO SPOILERS IN THIS ARTICLE. Oh, and if you're going to complain about the caption at the bottom, ask Jaymach or Darth Culator. Thefourdotelipsis 12:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

(1 Inq/1 Users/2 Total)
Support
 * 1) Thefourdotelipsis 12:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Don't see why not. Unit 8311 12:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

Comments
 * This one's an oldie, so feel free to tear it a new one. Thefourdotelipsis 12:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

(4 Inqs/4 Users/8 Total)
Support
 * 1) Lord Hydronium 08:40, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) I don't think it gets any better than this. Darthchristian   ( Hey! ) 17:06, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Cull Tremayne 04:35, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4)  Chack Jadson  Talk  19:27, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Even if it is shorter than the Saxtonised Super Star Destroyer. Thefourdotelipsis 07:57, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Excellent read.  Greyman ( Paratus ) 14:00, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Unit 8311 17:05, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) It's not the size, but how you use it...--Goodwood 05:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * From the fjord of Imperialles:
 * The large amount of images makes the article look cluttered. Can we remove some? (Criteria 15)
 * Quotes: Remove excessive links per WP:MOS.
 * BTS: "Eclipse is also the name of a server—or "Galaxy"—in Star Wars Galaxies." Relevance?
 * Thank you. --Imperialles 20:02, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Here are a few objections to this nom
 * More information in the intro about how Palpatine lost control of the Force Storm, causing the ship's destruction.
 * Added. - Lord Hydronium 10:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * In Specifications, change "midships" to midship.
 * Actually, I think "midships" is right here, since it's an adverb modifying "sat". - Lord Hydronium 10:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * What is the Consortium? There is no mention of it at all until the battle between it, the Rebels, and the Empire in which Zann and his men steal the Eclipse.
 * Addressed. - Lord Hydronium 10:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * A little bit on how Luke Skywalker became Imperial Commander. To a casual reader, it may not make sense.
 * Addressed, though as briefly as I could, since I didn't want to distract too much from the point. - Lord Hydronium 10:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Luke "gave the battle to the New Republic"? This should be reworded.
 * Addressed. - Lord Hydronium 10:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Per Imperialles on images and BTS.
 * Addressed. - Lord Hydronium 10:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * These objections are just the tip of the iceberg, but this article strikes me as just a little bit too low on detail in the prose to be of FA quality. Try to expand it a little bit. Despite that, though, the sourcing is excellent. Good work, but not quite up to FA quality in my opinion. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 06:44, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Besides the above, any other examples of things that need fleshing out? - Lord Hydronium 10:41, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

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 * 1) Nominated.--Goodwood 16:48, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 18:55, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Thefourdotelipsis 05:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 02:45, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Should beef up the BTS a bit. --Eyrezer 13:04, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) *Addressed.--Goodwood 18:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) I'm not a fan of the letter being in there. Thefourdotelipsis 13:14, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) *Personally I feel that the letter is important for at least three reasons: first, it adds insight into Jesmin's character; second, it shows how profoundly her death affected Wedge and the rest of the unit; thirdly, it's the only "we regret to inform you..." letter you ever see in all of Star Wars, period. In that essence, it is very much an essential part of the story, and to break it up into quotes for the P&T section (which is a possibility, I concede) would do it a disservice. Strictly IMHO, mind.--Goodwood 18:48, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) **Why not just move the letter to a quotes page? Then you could link to it or something. As now, I have to agree that something about it looks odd. Cull Tremayne 19:20, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) ***I think I understand what you're saying - the funny border around the letter that sets it apart from the rest of the article. Is it possible to have it in there without the text box? If so, would it be acceptable to keep it in the page?--Goodwood 19:50, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) ****I really don't like it there under any circumstance. I think Cull's idea of moving it to a Quote page should suffice. Thefourdotelipsis 23:47, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Any chance of getting a larger scan of the infobox image? So that it can be sized at 250px to fit the box? If not, it won't hold me back from eventually reading the article in full and voting. Greyman ( Paratus ) 03:00, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

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 * 1) The first of my summer noms. Havac 23:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Cull Tremayne 02:08, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Thefourdotelipsis 10:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

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 * 1) Nominated.  Greyman ( Paratus ) 01:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Cull Tremayne 03:09, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Thefourdotelipsis 13:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) --Eyrezer 04:30, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

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 * Another one of my favorites, which I initially wrote for GA. However, after some expansion and a copy-edit, I think she's ready for her star :) Greyman ( Paratus ) 01:36, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, and in case anyone is wondering, Tohno meets requirement 17 ;) heh. Greyman ( Paratus ) 02:38, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I still say it's too short. Quit abusing rule 17. ;-P Cull Tremayne 03:09, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Bah! Tis a good length. Thefourdotelipsis 12:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

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 * 1) Havac 04:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Why not just put up all your articles at once? Cull Tremayne 16:46, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) *I'm putting them up as I finish tweaking them. Expect Jace Dallin later today and Soontir Fel sometime after that; Agen Kolar and BoShek are still waiting on images from Culator. Havac 18:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Adamwankenobi 23:19, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

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 * Mate, I got to the second "Bulq was tapped" and stopped. You've got to find a better word, one that doesn't have a second, hilarious meaning. Thefourdotelipsis 12:23, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

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 * 1) Hell, even I don't know why I did this. Thefourdotelipsis 04:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) What a range of articles you've worked on. --Eyrezer 05:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Corvast, matey! -- Ozzel 06:39, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Heh, interesting to say the least.  Greyman ( Paratus ) 14:01, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) An article on a mountain? You gotta be kidding me. Cull Tremayne 07:34, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Adamwankenobi 23:19, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

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 * That is a terrible picture, and I really feel that FAs should include good pictures. The article is great, but I cannot look past the picture. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 02:42, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but since it only appears in the Galactic Battlegrounds game engine, that's the best we can do. Thefourdotelipsis 08:10, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Only one minor objection to this article (Other than the image, as Graestan says). Is it confirmed that both Generals had golden lightsabers? Otherwise that line should be changed. Maybe just take out "golden". Other than that, good work, and an interesting topic, to say the least ;). Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 06:52, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, the both had golden lightsabers, as evidenced in Galactic Battlegrounds. Thefourdotelipsis 08:10, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Red links? Bah! Cull Tremayne 16:42, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * They have been Baahahaed away! Thefourdotelipsis 02:13, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Stubs? Bah! Cull Tremayne 07:34, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

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 * 1) Havac 18:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Cull Tremayne 07:34, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Good characer. Unlike Autem! Bah! Thefourdotelipsis 00:39, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) *Autem . . . not a good character? That's it, surrender the crack pipe. Havac 03:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

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 * I really enjoyed this one. Nice work. Cull Tremayne 07:34, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

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 * 1) Havac 00:16, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) A well put-together article.--Goodwood 05:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Cull Tremayne 07:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Havac, this is your best work, in my humble opinion. One of the most fascinating articles I've read in the past few weeks. And the infobox picture is just fine. Thefourdotelipsis 07:45, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

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 * Can we get a better profile pic? That one appears later in the article anyway. QuentinGeorge 01:23, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the infobox one is highly cropped relative to the greater image. But, anyway, none of the comic panels really approach that level of detail or realism, which I think is key in an infobox portrait. I've gotten complaints about the infobox pic before, but have yet to see any superior images presented. The closest is the top one in the P&T, which isn't bad quality art, but doesn't look nearly as much like any other representation of Fel we've ever seen, unlike the current infobox shot. The Japanese Refugee cover art would be great in there, but then I'd either have to go completely without an image for the large last section of the article, which would look very odd, or else completely -- rather than partially -- duplicate the infobox image later in the article. It's not something that I haven't thought through, but I just can't come to any other conclusion than that the current picture is the best option. Really, it's not that bad an image. Havac 01:42, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The one in the "personality" section seems ideal to me. *shrugs*. It's just not that too big of a deal I guess. QuentinGeorge 03:16, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Is there any other art that could replace the Japanese cover art so that that picture can be in the infobox? I gotta say that I prefer the Japanese drawing to the Essential Guide one. Cull Tremayne 07:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Nothing else in the same timeframe. I'd love to be able to use it, but it's just impractical. Havac 16:11, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

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 * 1) Havac 06:23, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

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 * 1) Punctuation: Em dashes are currently surrounded by spaces. The spaces should be removed. --Imperialles 20:11, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Excessive internal links throughout the article, especially in the quote attributions. With regards to the quote attributions, I would like to see those links be put in the body of the article (which it appears is already the case with most). Other than this minor thing, it is a nice article and an enjoyable read.  Greyman ( Paratus ) 20:21, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Two things:
 * 4) *Introduction: The first sentence is disconnected from the two other paragraphs. It's just floating there. Can we merge this with an existing paragraph, or expand it enough to warrant a separate paragraph?
 * 5) **I separated them while I was editing because I like them like that. The first sentence is the "executive summary" version. You can put it back if you prefer. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 23:08, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) *BTS: "In the Underworld article, BoShek's name was incorrectly capitalized as "Boshek"." Is this really interesting? Either flesh this out or remove it entirely. --Imperialles 23:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) **Well, you can't really expand on it, but an instance in which a character's name is incorrectly given is worth a mention. That's what BTS is for. "This one source spells it Boshek. If that's all you know him from, that capitalization is wrong. Thank you and have a nice day." Havac 03:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

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 * Redlinks... Cull Tremayne 08:08, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There should only be three, which is the accepted maximum. Havac 16:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Which means we won't vote against it, but we also don't necessarily have to vote for it. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 20:55, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have addressed both Imp and Greyman's objections with AWB. The spaces around dashes are gone, and the infobox and succession box are the only places you'll find links that are already in the article body. Now the redlinks need to die. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 22:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

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Support
 * 1) The final one of my noms. Havac 05:26, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

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