Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations

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An article must&hellip;


 * 1) &hellip;be well-written and detailed.
 * 2) &hellip;be unbiased, non-point of view.
 * 3) &hellip;be sourced with all available sources and appearances.
 * 4) &hellip;follow the Manual of Style, Layout Guide, and all other policies on Wookieepedia.
 * 5) &hellip;not be the object of any ongoing edit wars.
 * 6) &hellip;not be tagged with any sort of improvement tags (i.e. more sources, expand, etc).
 * 7) &hellip;have a proper lead that gives a good summary of the topic and can be used for the front page featured box.
 * 8) &hellip;have no more than 3 redlinks.
 * 9) &hellip;have significant information from all sources and appearances, especially a biography for character articles.
 * 10) &hellip;not have been previously featured on the Main Page. Otherwise, it can only be restored to featured status.
 * 11) &hellip;be completely referenced for all available material and sources. See Sourcing for more information.
 * 12) &hellip;have all quotes and images sourced.
 * 13) &hellip;provide at least one quote on the article; a leading quote at the beginning is required. Only one quote would be allowed at the beginning of each section at max, although quotes may be placed in the middle of the article.
 * 14) &hellip;include a "personality and traits" section on all character articles.
 * 15) &hellip;include a reasonable number of images of good quality if said images are available.
 * 16) &hellip;pass review by the Inquisitorius review panel.
 * 17) &hellip;counting the introduction and Behind the Scenes material, be at least 1000 words long (not including captions, quotes, or headers, etc).

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 * 1) First, nominate an article you find is worthy of featured status, putting it at the bottom of the list below; see criteria above. Note that a previously featured article cannot be featured on the Main Page again; however, it can be restored to featured status.
 * 2) Others will object to the nomination if they disagree that the article is good enough; they will then supply reasons for doing so, and ways to improve the article (errors, style, organization, images, notability, sources).
 * 3) Supporters adjust the article until the objectors (with reasonable objections) are satisfied.
 * 4) The article is placed on the featured article list and added to the front page queue.
 * 5) Also, if, at least a week after the article's nomination, that article has 5 Inquisitor supports and no objections (or the objections have been stricken or overridden), it will be added to the queue, and will be officially known as a "featured article".

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 * 1) Before doing anything, be sure to read the article completely, keeping a sharp eye out for mistakes.
 * 2) Afterwards, compare the article to the criteria listed above, and then either support or object the article's nomination.
 * 3) If you object, please supply concrete reasons for doing so, and how it can be improved. Please cite which rule your objection falls under! Failure to do so will result in your objection being considered invalid.
 * 4) As stated above, any objections will be looked upon by the nominator, supporters, and anyone willing to improve the article, and action will be taken to please the objectors.
 * 5) Once all objectors' complaints have been solved (or the article has 5 Inquisitor supports and no objections after at least a week), the article will be added to the queue and be officially known as a "featured article".

Also remember to add nominated at the top of the article you are nominating.

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(4 Inqs/2 Users/6 total)
Support
 * 1) Bringbacknom!   20:08 2 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Thefourdotelipsis 01:52, 7 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) It's come a long way.  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Nice job on the objections.  Greyman ( Paratus ) 22:47, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5)  Chack Jadson  Talk  15:35, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Cull Tremayne 17:51, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Could use some expansion, and there are way too many quotes. Better sectioning is also needed. Darthchristian   ( Hey! ) 13:17, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) * The number of quotes is simply insane. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 19:46, 10 July 2007 (UTC) Seems to be addressed.  Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 22:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) * Per Darthchristian. Chack Jadson 19:52, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) * It also needs and Personality and Traits section. Darthchristian   ( Hey! ) 16:51, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) **Done!-- Harrar 01:13, 17 August 2007 (GMT)
 * 6) From the desk of Ataru
 * 7) * Intro: Favour-->favor
 * 8) *Intro, Para 1, Line 3, reword sentence about "for the failure of . . . "- doesn't read well
 * 9) *Intro, comma after However
 * 10) *Intro, Para 2: Faith in what?
 * 11) *Intro: Remove speculation about Qorealists
 * 12) *Intro: Add a comma after Thus or remove it.
 * 13) *Sectioning looks bad. Why is there a single subsection under each section?
 * 14) *1.1: Reword: "It appears that Harrar . . ."- sounds OOU.
 * 15) *1.1: Fix comma errors surrounding "However"
 * 16) *1.2: Given command, not commands
 * 17) *1.2: Reword "And it was there" to "where". Conciseness should be prized.
 * 18) *1.2.1, comma after Falcon
 * 19) *1.2.1, remove comma after dismally
 * 20) *1.3, worshiped should be worshipped
 * 21) *1.3, Para 2, Line 3, add comma after and
 * 22) *1.3.1: Reword to "enough time to recover from the loss of Coruscant" or "enough time to recuperate" or similar
 * 23) *1.3.1, Para 1, line 4, Remove comma after "and"
 * 24) *1.3.1: Jumps from Borleias to Coruscant without explanation. Expand.
 * 25) *1.4: Revealed is mispelled.
 * 26) *1.4: Weasel words on Qorealist part
 * 27) *1.4: comma after "At first"
 * 28) *1.4, Para 1, add comma after However
 * 29) *1.4, Para 3, remove commma after and
 * 30) *1.4: Remove first "her" in "asked her of her discoveries"
 * 31) *1.5: remove "had in fact"; doesn't read well
 * 32) *1.5: reword to say "Harrar stated that learning of the possible connection between the ancient Yuuzhan Vong homeworld and Zonoma Sekot had shattered . . . "
 * 33) *1.5: reword first sentence of 2nd Paragraph
 * 34) *1.5, 2nd Para, add comma after There
 * 35) *1.5.1: learnt-->learned
 * 36) *1.5.1: decapitalize liberation
 * 37) *1.5.1: "for they were the only way to save his people" is POV
 * 38) *Too many quotes
 * 39) *No P&T
 * 40) *I'm a bit rusty on NJO, but I'm sure he had a bigger role than this. Needs expansion.
 * 41) *Traitor is not listed under appearances.
 * 42) * No info from Enemy Lines I.
 * 43) *P&T not sourced yet.
 * 44) *Have a nice day.&mdash; Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 20:49, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 45) A few things:
 * 46) * Infobox image lacks a proper source and description; it also needs to be cropped.
 * 47) **Cropped,sourced, described-- Harrar 01:13, 17 August 2007 (GMT)
 * 48) * Infobox is poorly formatted: the "|" signs should be in front of the variables, not behind them. ("|name=Harrar", not "name=Harrar|")
 * 49) **Done!-- Harrar 01:13, 17 August 2007 (GMT)
 * 50) * 1.1: "Years" in "Early Years" should be decapitalized per WP:MOS.
 * 51) **Done-- Harrar 01:13, 17 August 2007 (GMT)
 * 52) * 1.3: Odd sentence: "The invasion still continued to proceed well"
 * 53) **Changed -- Harrar 01:13, 17 August 2007 (GMT)
 * I wish I had a catchphrase to put here. --Imperialles 14:54, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) *Minorly reword 2nd sentence in intro.
 * 2) *All done. Cheers for the help-- Harrar 18:18, 22 August 2007 (GMT)
 * 3) A few suggestions for improvement
 * 4) * More detail in intro about Harrar was "instrumental in ending the conflict."
 * 5) *Vary starts to sentences in The Elan debacle. "He... He... Harrar... Harrar..." Mix them up a little.
 * 6) *Clarify that Khalee Lah did, in fact, die.
 * 7) * In "together, they would capture the elusive Jedi," (Resurgence, paragraph 3), "would" should be changed to "planned to," since they did not capture Solo.
 * 8) *Way too many "He's" at the beginning of sentences (four in a row) in the 3rd paragraph of Zonama Sekot.
 * 9) *In a skirmish with Anor in which he very much had the traitorous Intendant on the back foot? What does this mean?
 * 10) *Other than that, the article is pretty good, especially on the P&T. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 04:42, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 11) **Taken into account and changed. Thanks Hobbes, and took out the "back foot" bit - its an English expression for when you're beating someone in a fight.-- Harrar 18:18, 22 August 2007 (GMT)
 * 12) Source it properly. Green Tentacle (Talk) 12:52, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 13) *Can you elaborate? By "it" do you mean the article in general? If so, I'm not 100% sure on how to do it properly. -- Harrar 20:45, 28 August 2007 (GMT)
 * 14) **Specifically:
 * 15) *** Early years: "However, he continued to serve the government of Shimrra Jamaane for many years, viewing the Supreme Overlord as the conduit to the gods."
 * 16) *** The duty of the priest: Third paragraph.
 * 17) ***Departure into the unknown: "The deception priest, if that was who he continued to be after such a journey of self-discovery, remained on the living planet and led his people to their new future."
 * 18) *** Personality and traits: "It was this loyalty to the Yuuzhan Vong which gave Harrar the strength to seemingly betray them."
 * 19) ***And the infobox, while we're at it. Green Tentacle (Talk) 15:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 20) **All sourced. Thanks for your help -- Harrar 11:36, 03 September 2007 (GMT)
 * Add to the BTS some general info about the character. Ie Harrar first appeared in X, created by Y, or some such.
 * Why isn't the depiction from the cover of The Final Prophecy used at all? I would argue it has higher canonicity than the Gamer one. And tbh, I don't think there is enough of a difference in the depictions to only use one. --Eyrezer 06:19, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * 1) He's not in Enemy Lines I - that appears to have been an erroneous appearance. That's everything about Harrar there as far as I know. P&T sourced, no redlinks, referencing. If anyone could help with pictures that'd be nice. Harrar  16:21, 14 August 2007 (GMT)
 * Ok, thanks for working on it. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) *Really sorry about striking people's objections, I mistakenly assumed that's what you did after you had acted upon the suggestions...now I know. Harrar 15:49, 15 August 2007 (GMT)

Remove Nom (Inq only)
 * 1)   Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 19:04, 31 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2)  Doesn't look like it's going anywhere. Green Tentacle (Talk) 13:38, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)   Greyman ( Paratus ) 19:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4)   Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 01:46, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

(2 Inq/4 Users/6 Total)
Support
 * 1) I've worked long on this article, and I think it is worthy. Any comments/criticism would be helpful.&mdash; Darthtyler Talk 01:44, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Thefourdotelipsis 00:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)  Chack Jadson  Talk  23:31, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4)  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 15:08, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) -- [[Image:AckbarSig.jpg|40px]] dmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 15:20, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Ozzel 04:51, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) '''From the desk of Atarumaster88
 * 2) * Remove speculation on origin/parents' history
 * 3) * Not enough explanation of sunnydew nectar. Doesn't make much sense.
 * 4) * Wicket and Teebo incident section doesn't make much sense. There's irrelevant information that could be condensed, but it doesn't explain why they need to bother Gantu.
 * 5) * Wicket and Teebo's escape section doesn't make much sense either. It's written more like part of Teebo's bio, not Gantu's. The action is centered around the deeds of the Ewoks, not the subject (Gantu). Still don't get the whole sunnydew/Zandor Rocker thing.
 * 6) * P&T is rather short.
 * 7) * Is "Sunnydew nectar" a) supposed to be capitalized b) need to be linked three or four times?
 * 8) **Always hard to tell with comics, by my feeling is: no. I fixed the case, and it seems the links have already been fixed. -- Ozzel
 * 9) * Remove referencing from intro, per Sourcing.
 * 10) * Intro just doesn't read well, particularly the second paragraph.
 * 11) **Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:37, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 12) ***Um, are you being sarcastic? (that last line about the super happy un frustrating part.)&mdash; Darthtyler Talk 16:39, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 13) ****Not that it matters, but no, I'm not being sarcastic. I don't want people to think it's personal and that I'm picking on them- I do this to everyone. The exact phrasing was inspired by Darth Culator. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:42, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 14) *****Well that makes sense too, I guess.&mdash; Darthtyler Talk 16:48, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 15) Remove bullets from behind the scenes, the Lilo and Stitch bit has nothing to do with anything, fix the source on Image:Coruscanti ogre vs Divto.jpg, referencing should be per paragraph or maybe removed entirely since it's single source, which also means you don't need the first appearance bit. Green Tentacle (Talk) 17:22, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 16) *Done.&mdash; Darthtyler Talk 17:29, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * 17) I'd like to see the intro be fleshed out. I don't think it's long enough for the Main Page yet. -- Ozzel 08:07, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 18) * I tweaked it a little bit, but I agree. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 13:30, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 19) Speculation in the Behind the scenes section. --Imperialles 19:39, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Comments

(2 Inq/3 Users/5 Total)
Support
 * 1) Previously featured.  Chack Jadson  Talk 14:36, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) [[Image:The Death of Ki-Adi-Mundi.jpg|40px]]  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers! ) 00:45, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 15:45, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Unit 8311 15:25, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 21:36, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Conflicting sources should be sorted out. [[Image:The Death of Ki-Adi-Mundi.jpg|40px]]  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers! ) 19:58, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) The article says "Fighting broke out all over Pau City between droid and clone forces, destroying large parts of the sinkhole," and cites Revenge of the Sith. But I didn't see the sinkhole itself sustaining any damage when I saw the film . -LtNOWIS 01:56, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) * Also, I don't think there should be quite so many inter-section quotes, especially in "Endgame." -LtNOWIS 01:56, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) **Fixed.  Chack Jadson  Talk 23:01, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) From the desk of Atarumaster88
 * 6) * Needs a reference at the end of "In the service of San Hill"
 * 7) *Needs a reference at the end of "The beginning of the war"
 * 8) * A bit more information from Labyrinth of Evil is needed.
 * 9) *IIRC, LOE has details on Belderone, etc, particularly when he rescues Gunray. I'd like to see that expounded upon. Some guy 15:24, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) **Ah. Sorry, some guy. ;)  Chack Jadson  Talk 22:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 11) * Some sticky wording in the death section, particularly in "However, during the fight, Kenobi had pulled one of Grievous's chest plates off, Grievous's armor having been previously damaged by Windu, revealing the synth-skin gutsack holding Grievous's remaining organs"<s?
 * 12) *P&T has no mention of his "softer" (okay, maybe just less bloodthirsty) side with Kunmar.
 * 13) *First lines of talents needs ref'd.
 * 14) *(Talents) "Formal forms"? Reword please.
 * 15) *Have a Super Terrific Friendly Unfrustrating day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 16) **Fixed.  Chack Jadson  Talk 20:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 17) I'd like to see a solid source for the Gary Oldman thing. Also, you might want to mention George's plans for effing with Grivie's history in the upcoming cartoon. -- Ozzel 03:29, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 18) **Sourced the first. For the second, where did you find that?  Chack Jadson  Talk 21:38, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 19) I may be wrong, but I would think that the content from the Grievous comic would need a bit more fleshing out than just a passing mention. Thefourdotelipsis 23:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 20) *Actually, the coverage of things such as the Clone Wars Adventures books are far too light. And sometimes non existent. Thefourdotelipsis 23:39, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 21) Far too many images (Criteria 15). --Imperialles 19:45, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 22) Unsourced entries in the trivia section. Come to think of it, we should probably either get rid of the trivia section entirely, or merge the interesting parts with other sections. --Imperialles 14:18, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I think the trivia section should be kept. It'll be interesting information for some people. Unit 8311 16:57, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) **Oh, God, didn't see that before. Get rid of the Trivia section, for God's sake. Any information that is really relevant will be important enough to be integrated into other sections. Thefourdotelipsis 13:15, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Just a couple of minor things:
 * 3) * Yes, get rid of the trivia section, per 4dot's argument. Greyman ( Paratus ) 15:45, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) * Please source the following information in the infobox: Homeworld, death, eye color, and cybernetics. I would also like to see his species sourced since it is not blatantly obvious like some characters.
 * 5) *The intro could stand to be expanded by a couple sentences; major events, etc. His death should also be mentioned at the end of the intro.
 * 6) *Looks/reads good otherwise :) Greyman ( Paratus ) 01:10, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Needs info from Dark Jedi --Eyrezer 12:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) *The problem with that is that we don't know when exactly that's set. Unit 8311 12:42, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) **It still needs to be determined, or written into the article somehow. Otherwise, without it, the article is incomplete per FAN standards. Greyman ( Paratus )
 * 10) ***Yeah, I'd say just give it your best guess and leave a note ref if you think it needs it. -- Ozzel 01:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 11) ****Done. Yes, I paraphased it from the Dark Jedi article, but the most important thing is that it's there. :) Unit 8311 16:20, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 12) Interwiki links are woefully inadequate. -LtNOWIS 06:49, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * Well written overall and a pleasure to read. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:32, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

(5 Inq/8 Users/13 Total)
Support Oppose
 * 1) Nominated.--Goodwood 11:19, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Although i would prefer *see comment* it's still a brilliant article. Tutos Lumenarious 21:58, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Good work. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 01:42, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Thefourdotelipsis 08:38, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) I'd decided to stay as far away from this FA-business as possible, but in recognition of the effort put into this great article, I'm going to cast a supporting vote. KEJ 11:03, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) *I think you're in the wrong section then. :P -- [[Image:AckbarSig.jpg|40px]] dmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 11:10, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) **Oh, you're right. Thanks for telling me. KEJ 11:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) ***No problem. -- [[Image:AckbarSig.jpg|40px]] dmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 22:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 21:44, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) -- [[Image:AckbarSig.jpg|40px]] dmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 22:16, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 11)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 02:51, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 12) A really creative topic for an article. Nice to see it given such through attention. Nice work!  --Eyrezer 03:04, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 13) Per Eyrez. I wanna see more articles like this, covering vast concepts thoroughly and, yes, even interestingly.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 22:16, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 14) Per Gonk. jSarek 00:40, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 15) Cull Tremayne 18:00, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 16) I appreciate the promptness in the addressing of objections. Brilliant work. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 23:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) The complete lack of film screenshots raises my eyebrow. Thefourdotelipsis 09:30, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) *I've substituted a few of the more pathetic current images with film screenshots already on-site. Hope that makes the difference though I can always scrounge more...--Goodwood 12:21, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Skywalker Loop is linked in the article, but the source it's from doesn't have any other coverage. The book is called Starfighter Battle Book - X-Wing vs. TIE Interceptor; it's all about dogfighting. I hate to say it, but you might have a lot more material to cover. (If you need help finding the book, ask on IRC.) Also, the Ssi-ruuk used entechment to power their starfighters, which was pretty unique. That might warrant coverage. -LtNOWIS 01:50, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) *I've been through that battle book frontwards and backwards, LtNOWIS, and that's just about the only useful thing I got out of it. Basically the book is a "choose your story" except the "story choices" are "maneuvers" and you turn to the appropriate page to figure out the results. I have, however, added a notation about the Ssi-ruuk and entechment (included in a section in Technology about droid starfighters--not enough room in the History section)--Goodwood 02:11, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) **Thanks. -LtNOWIS 16:37, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Nice article, very thorough. Two points: Firstly, when describing the Ssi-ruuk and entechment, you use "essentially sucked the soul out of a living being and implanted it". That is not very encyclopedic. I think "soul" should be removed and the sentence reworded. Secondly, in the history section, mention should be made of a starfighter destroying the first Death Star. Surely, this is one of the most significant actions undertaken by starfighters! --Eyrezer 05:08, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) *Addressed. Note: Insofar as the notation about entechment goes, you're correct however I've modified the sentence to reflect the narrative -- if I recall correctly both Ssi-ruu and others referred to the process thusly (or, at least how I amended it to be), including Dev Sibwarra and Luke Skywalker. I could perhaps add Dev's quote on the process from The New Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology -- which, incidentally, I now have.--Goodwood 20:10, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) From someone who isn't here
 * 9) * Haven't read the whole thing thoroughly, but it seems to skimp on a number of NJO and post NJO details, such as stutter-fire and shield trios. Actually, the whole tactic of close formations to increase shield strength (mentioned in VotF also) could use some mention. some guy who isn't here. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 19:49, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) **The shield trios has been addressed. Greyman ( Paratus ) 22:30, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 11) ***Not nearly enough. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 17:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 12) ****Try it now...look under "Other Tactics".
 * 13) * I've read The Krytos Trap many times and never does it make doctrinal statements that are in the characteristics section AFAIK. Source or remove it.
 * 14) **Addressed; I have rephrased the source.
 * 15) * Does it actually state that the dogfight is the main type of starfighter engagement? Source or remove
 * 16) **Addressed: "Dogfight" is used in virtually every mention of starfighter combat that there is within canon.
 * 17) * Where does it say NR fighters are more effective than the Empire's overall? This would seem to contradict that.
 * 18) **Addressed. Rephrased the statement.
 * 19) * Ridiculously large amount of Original Research in the training section. You cannot assume that everyone trains the same as the Alliance does. The Making of Baron Fel has some info on Imperial training methods.
 * 20) **Partially addressed - unable to obtain The Making of Baron Fel for study, however have included a statement from another source which should add a bit of contrast.
 * 21) ***Better, but no cigar. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 17:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 22) ****I have added a section on Imperial methods, from three different sources, including the (extremely meager) Fel story. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 03:33, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 23) * Source the part about dying within 5 missions. (3.4)
 * 24) **Addressed.
 * 25) * Information on Chiss droid starfighters needs added (ref Force Heretic II)
 * 26) **Addressed. Prototype only; mentioned in passing.
 * 27) * Actually, Ssi-ruuk droids are smaller than Rebel starfighters if you check TAB. Please correct and adjust paragraph.
 * 28) **Addressed.
 * 29) * 6.1 What does "The battle was pitched" mean?
 * 30) **Addressed. Rephrased the statement.
 * 31) * Lots of fluff in the history sections- irrelevant information that could be culled and trimmed.
 * 32) **Addressed as I was able.
 * 33) * Excessive/redundant internal linking. Needs HTML cleanup.
 * 34) **Addressed so far.
 * 35) *** A quick look still shows multiple links to the same thing (mostly involving redirects- TIE fighter, Rebel Alliance, etc. as well as the 1st mention of a topic not being linked per MoS. A number of battles mentioned are not linked in the history section Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 17:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 36) ****Darth Culator fixed it for us.--Goodwood 12:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 37) * Pictures aren't relevant. Battle at Kuat has nothing to do with Thrawn campaign.
 * 38) **Addressed.
 * 39) *** Some sections can get away with having random pictures of starfighters shooting each other. Some can't. At the very least, 3, 5, 6, 9 (atmospheric combat only), and 10 should have only context-relevant images, which they don't atm. Only 9 does currently.  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 17:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 40) ****At the request of Goodwood, I went through the article and, to my knowledge, addressed the picture objections. Greyman ( Paratus ) 22:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 41) * IIRC, StealthXs have slightly less firepower than XJs.
 * 42) **Addressed. Yes, addressed.
 * 43) * No mention of CCIR Needles at all. For shame- those things could have revolutionized starfighter combat.
 * 44) **Addressed.
 * 45) * Link to battle with two SSDs.
 * 46) **Addressed.
 * 47) * There are large numbers of quality images available, yet the images in this article seemed scattered and arbitary. Could use a few more pics to provide an even spacing of images. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 17:22, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 48) **Doing my best so far...I hope you're not planning on making this a separate objection from what is essentially the same one, four objections up.
 * 49) ***At the request of Goodwood, I went through the article and, to my knowledge, addressed the picture objections. Greyman ( Paratus ) 22:54, 28 August 2007 (UTC) addressed
 * 50) * "Doctoral" statements in one of the first references should be "doctrinal" statements.
 * 51) **Addressed.--Goodwood 01:11, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 52) * The Adumari have a whole culture built around starfighters, starfighter combat, and starfighter pilots, and no mention at all? Their honor duels should be mentioned somewhere please.
 * 53) **Addressed.--Goodwood 01:11, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 54) * In Betrayal, Wedge (through Syal) makes some doctrinal statements about missile runs on capital ships. Should those be included?
 * 55) **I just added the whole Legacy of the Force series to the first footnote, including, by extention, Betrayal.--Goodwood 21:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 56) ***What I meant was that Wedge makes some specific comments about how to make missile runs on capital ships that I feel should be mentioned in the article. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 57) ****I've reviewed the relevant portions of Betrayal and there wasn't 'that' much to add that isn't in the article already. I did, however, add a quote from that source to lead off the section and added a small addendum about "focus". In addition, I've added a bit to the paragraphs on nova flare about following your missiles in.--Goodwood 22:08, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 58) * Also, I personally think Thrawn's use of starfighters in the battles with the Vagaari and with Outbound Flight could use some mention. (Outbound Flight (novel) Actually, no mention of the Battle of Naboo or Stark Hyperspace War either. A short history section entitled something like "Republic's decline" would be good between the Mando/Jedi Civil War and Clone Wars.  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 59) **Section on Republic Decline added.--Goodwood 21:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 60) ***Section on Unknown Regions/Chiss use of starfighters added, using information from Outbound Flight, which, in fact, offered very little material on starfighter usage. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 05:39, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 61) * A brief mention of Death Seed Crisis and Black Fleet Crisis in History section please. Both featured somewhat significant starfighter engagements.
 * 62) **Black Fleet Crisis is already mentioned in the Starfighters versus capital ships section. I've added a mention of the second Death Seed pandemic in the section about the CCIR Needle, essentially tying the Needle in with that crisis. In the context of the history section, they're not so important that they merit two separate mentions apiece (remember your earlier objection about "fluff" in the history section?) I take that back. Section on Black Fleet Crisis added.--Goodwood 21:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 63) ***Fair enough. The Black Fleet Crisis section has been edited down to my satisfaction. And with the Nam Chorios/Death Seed/CCIR section, I've provided a model for what I'm looking for when I ask for brief expansions covering certain areas. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 64) * Need a brief expansion of X-wing sabotage and Battle of Almania, as well as First Corellian Insurrection. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 65) **X-wing sabotage? Anyway, I've added a section about the "New Rebellion" as well as the First Corellian Insurrection.--Goodwood 06:03, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 66) ***I think he means the sabotage that occurred in The New Rebellion concurrent with the events of the Battle of Almania...I could be wrong though, since it has been awhile since I read that book. Greyman ( Paratus ) 15:58, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 67) ****You appear to be missing the point somewhat: I don't want the history of the conflict in general. I want the history of the conflict as it pertains to starfighter combat. Please adjust the sections accordingly and use the Unknown Regions section on Outbound Flight as a model, or the Nam Chorios section. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 02:31, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 68) * Hull section needed.
 * 69) *Stealth section needed ala TIE Phantoms and StealthXs, etc.
 * 70) *Shield section needed.
 * 71) *Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating Day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:10, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 72) **Thank you.--Goodwood 02:59, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 73) ***Getting there...--Goodwood 20:35, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 74) ****Trying my damnest...but then again there is no try, only do or do not. Heh.--Goodwood 01:11, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 75) As far as I've read, it looks very good. But The CCIR Needle needs to be referenced. I'll read more later.  Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 22:37, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 76) *Addressed.
 * 77) Okay, here are a few objections.
 * 78) *In The Great Hyperspace War and Great Sith War, wasn't there only one meditation sphere, the one that Sadow had?
 * 79) **If Exile is to be believed, then there were more than just the one Meditation Sphere that was used by Sadaw and Gav Daragon.--Goodwood 20:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 80) ***Do you have a page number for this? I don't recall it being mentioned, but I'm probably wrong. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 04:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 81) ****Not really, just that the novel features another Meditation Sphere from around that time - Ben Skywalker finds it on Ziost, which would tend to indicate that there were more then just tone one used by Sadow and Gav Daragon. Howver, I've amended the line per your objection.--Goodwood 12:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 82) *****Oh... I thought that you meant the novel specifically mentioned the use of multiple meditiation spheres in the battle. Maybe the one in Exile was from a different time period. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 23:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 83) * "Following a defeat by Thrawn, Zaarin attempted to flee into hyperspace with the corvette, ignorant of the dangers"? The last bit should be reworded a bit.
 * 84) **Addressed.--Goodwood 20:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 85) * "With starfighters serving their part, including the newly-formed Wraith Squadron once Rogue Squadron had come back from fighting the Bacta War" does not make sense.
 * 86) **Addressed.--Goodwood 20:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 87) * In The Thrawn Campaign, mention that Thrawn began outfitting some of his TIE Interceptors with shields.
 * 88) **I cannot recall any mention of this from the Thrawn trilogy. If you would be so kind as to give me a source I'd be glad to put it in.--Goodwood 20:46, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 89) ***I'm almost sure it's in Dark Force Rising, which, unfortunately, I do not own. I'll try and get my hands on it sometime soon, though. If anyone does have it, I'd appreciate it if you could check. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 04:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 90) ****I have DFR but I don't remember seeing that. On the other hand, a number of other books feature modified TIEs with shields and hyperdrives--I've added a notation about this in the Hyperdrive subsection of Starfighter technology.--Goodwood 12:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 91) *****That works for me. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 23:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 92) * The Aleph-class fighters did in fact see some action in the final months of the Yuuzhan Vong War, though very little (see page 319 of Betrayal).
 * 93) **Addressed.
 * 94) * A little more detail on how to avoid being shot down by The Trap would be good.
 * 95) **Addressed.
 * 96) * Attack Pattern D'moporai is not referenced.
 * 97) **Addressed.
 * 98) * Perhaps add Wes Janson to notable pilots? Just my personal opinion, though, not necessary.
 * 99) **I would have, but I didn't want to overbalance the "Rebel/New Republic" section in relation to the rest; by way of compromise the choice was made to add a picture and link to his page in the Pilots section.--Goodwood 12:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 100) ***Fine with me. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 23:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 101) * These are mainly minor things though. Overall, the article looks great, and I'll be happy to vote for it once these little things are addressed. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 04:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 102) **Every little bit helps.--Goodwood 12:19, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 103) ***Looks like they're all fixed. Good job. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 23:52, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 104) * I'll read more later. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 17:09, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 105) The entire "Tactics and maneuvers" section is basically a long list. Would it be possible to flesh this out a bit? If not, consider merging several sections. --Imperialles 20:57, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 106) *Considering that a fair number of the "main articles" for those tactics were written by me, I don't really see any alternative to what your objecting to - it should be a list, organized by category (sections within a section). Besides, it makes for easy reference this way - but that's just one fellow's opinion.--Goodwood 21:15, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 107) **I agree with Goodwood's approach here. A short description of the most mentioned tactics, plus links to main articles and other tactics seems like the best way to handle this. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:25, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 108) ***I just feel such a list belongs more at, say, List of starfighter combat tactics than in this article. Wouldn't it be preferable to have sections on starfighter tactics and maneuvers in general? --Imperialles 14:09, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 109) ****We discussed this in IRC and reached a compromise: Keep all the information from the "Tactics and maneuvers" sections in the article, but convert the list to prose. --Imperialles 18:35, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 110) *****The situation has been addressed.--Goodwood 13:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 111) Remove the "Miscellaneous" tactics sections. If they're not important enough to expand on, they're not important enough for the article. --Imperialles 13:09, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 112) *Addressed. ==== replaced with '''.--Goodwood 13:19, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 113) **I meant remove them completely. --Imperialles 13:25, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 114) ***I like the paragraphing, however there's still "Miscellaneous tactics" sections to go.
 * 115) ****I've paragraphed the rest of them, but I would at least like to bold the subsections rather then axing them entirely.--Goodwood 19:24, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 116) Notable pilots: How are Atton Rand and Carth Onasi notable pilots? The same goes for the clone pilots and the Fetts (who I imagine are far more notable due to their bounty hunting than their piloting skills). Weed out the non-notables. --Imperialles 13:36, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 117) *Carth was known for his piloting skills throughout the Mandalorian Wars (take the KOTOR comics with the game, for example) and Atton proved himself a capable enough pilot in KOTOR II - like Han Solo they both made their reputations flying bigger ships, like the Ebon Hawk and Millennium Falcon - in point of fact Solo has never been seen flying starfighters as far as I know yet you do not dispute his belonging on that list. In addition the Fetts were fine pilots on the same level as Solo, Onasi and Rand. The fact that Jango was able to hold his own against Obi-Wan Kenobi in the Geonosis asteroid ring - and indeed turning the tables on him in a ship that, on paper, should have been inferior to the Jedi's starfighter, is proof enough of that. Not trying to be argumentative; instead I'm just trying to point out why they should be included in the list I've assembled--though I did eliminate the clone pilots.--Goodwood 18:44, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 118) **As a side note here, which should be taken into consideration for these types of lists, notability is, almost all the time, a personal preference. Who one user sees as a "notable" pilot, others may not. That's why I usually tend to disagree with these type of lists in our articles, especially FAN's. However, this is not an objection and should not viewed as such&mdash;it is merely a little bit of perspective for this type of thing to those discussing the point. Greyman ( Paratus ) 14:55, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 119) Re-scan the infobox image (Image:X-wingDF.JPG per the image policy. It's very low quality. --Imperialles 03:58, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * I've worked my fingers to the bone to get this article where it is now, but I'm not complaining because this has been a labor of love. All reasonable objections/suggestions will be taken into due consideration and acted upon.--Goodwood 11:19, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Not complaining or anything but i think it's a little long, could it not be devided into different sections of something like that?Tutos Lumenarious 22:01, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Breaking the article up into different articles would defeat the purpose of the article. Hence why I've included a veritable cornucopia of links to more in-depth articles on various covered subjects.--Goodwood 20:20, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This isn't enough of an objection to actually object, but couldn't we get a more appropriate infobox? With the recent work done on space warfare, I think there's justification for a category and infobox for "forms of combat" or something similar. Other than that, nice work. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 04:40, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

(6 Inq/6 Users/12 Total)
Support Oppose
 * 1) My... first... (finished) FA attempt. -- Ozzel 03:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Almost too far outside the box...but the Inqs won't complain. [[Image:The Death of Ki-Adi-Mundi.jpg|40px]]  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers! ) 18:24, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) *Huh? You know in advance what every inq is going to say? That is extraordinary. AdmirableAckbar 23:02, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Nice. Joker1138 ( Mandalore ) [[Image:MandalorianSymbol.jpg|25px]] 02:03, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Superlative. We need to see more of this stuff. Thefourdotelipsis 06:41, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6)  Chack Jadson  Talk  22:42, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Adamwankenobi 05:25, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Lord Hydronium 06:49, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 9)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 02:01, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) Cull Tremayne 18:01, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 11) Enjoyable writing, Oz. --Eyrezer 12:54, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 12) Green Tentacle (Talk) 17:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 13) We really do need more FA noms to be as far out of the box as this one is. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 22:52, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) From the desk of Atarumaster88
 * 2) * Second paragraph of "Origin": First sentence reads a bit awkwardly. Reword please.
 * 3) *More context on "The Southern Underground" please.
 * 4) * Is it just me, or is "bombastic use" a bit POVish?
 * 5) * More context on "Into the Sewers" A reader clicking this link may not be familiar with SoTE, so who the heroes are should be expounded upon.
 * 6) * Reference the orchestra credits please. Referencing everyone individually shouldn't be necessary, but it should list where the information came from. Was it from the CD packaging?
 * 7) *Adjust categorization as it does not appear to be a spoken article.
 * 8) * "Tracks" section- Williams "Main Theme" should either be italicized or de-capitalized. I didn't adjust it because I was unsure of which was appropriate. Ditto with all the other tracks, but I don't think the headers need adjusted.
 * 9) * I'm a bit confused- CD artwork pic at the bottom says the artwork was by Struzan while the infobox states it was McQuarrie. Please clarify or just explain. ;-)
 * 10) *Reference the 2nd and 3rd paragraphs of release. As you've already set precedent by refing the liner notes, please carry it all the way through if that is where the information is from.
 * 11) **I'll let the 2nd paragraph slide, but does the video game manual give credit to this particular album? If so, it should be referenced. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 04:07, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 12) ***I'm sorry, Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that. -- Ozzel 03:29, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 13) * Reference 2nd paragraph of "Xizor's Theme" please.
 * 14) *Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 15) **I think I've addressed everything except for expanding the story info on those two tracks (which are the shortest two after all, but I'll still try to add a little) and sourcing irrefutable, obvious facts. As you say, this is setting a precedent, so I think it's important not to go overboard. I don't think we should necessarily apply the same exact standards for sourcing OOU as with IU. For example, by saying the music appears in the SOTE video game, there is no need for a source. If I said it's used in a video game, or just somewhere else in general, then yes, sourcing with the video game would be appropriate. But the statement as it is already sources itself. Also, saying what is in the liner notes: that's just a fact. The liner notes don't say what's in the liner notes; they are the liner notes. Look, I'm all for being thorough, but we gotta draw the line somewhere, as the good captain says... well, you know. -- Ozzel 08:35, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 16) *** You may have a point, but I'm still going to add the end of the first paragraph in The Destruction of Xizor's Palace to the sourcing list. :P Green Tentacle (Talk) 17:30, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 17) ****Addressed GT's, and fixed all of Ataru's that I feel are worth fixing. The rest I'll have to leave up to the Inqs. -- Ozzel 03:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 18) *****I've added a reference for the "Xizor's Theme" one. It's not exactly hard for people to Google it to check, but if we can provide a link we might as well. And I just noticed that Main Theme from Star Wars and Leia's Nightmare needs a source too. Green Tentacle (Talk) 09:23, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 19) ******But it's not information from a source, it's simply stating the obvious. -- Ozzel 22:13, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 20) *******No, it's stating your interpretation of what the music represents. Unless you have a source that that was what the composer intended, you shouldn't say it. Green Tentacle (Talk) 09:18, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 21) ********Okay, it's kinda in the liner notes. Ref'd. :-) -- Ozzel 17:32, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 22) Just a couple of objections on this
 * 23) * I think I get where Ozzel's coming from on the liner notes, but the three sentences before that need to be sourced, even if that doesn't, in my opinion.
 * 24) ** .Make that just the first sentence.
 * 25) *Suggestion: For expansion on The Southern Underground, a little more information on who Spero is would be nice.
 * 26) *Those are my only problems with this nom. Intriguing type of article, Ozzel ;). Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 03:49, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 27) **Addressed. -- Ozzel 03:05, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * Definitely open for suggestions here. Considering we don't have many other real world FAs to compare it to, I tried to use some album FAs at Wikipedia as models. -- Ozzel 03:09, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Great to see this here. A truly one-of-a-kind article :) ...Just a couple of requests. One, can it include a brief MP3 or OGG clip from one of the songs? "Xizor's Theme" would seem to be the best choice. (I'd be happy to rip and edit just such a clip, though I can only encode MP3s.) Two, the Misconceptions section could use clarification/expansion; it doesn't clearly indicate, in some cases, whether these "rumors" are true or not. The last two bullets in particular puzzle me; if neither is true, we need to cite how we know that, and if they may be true/maybe not, the header for that section shouldn't be Misconceptions.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 20:07, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) I'd like to include sound clips too; in fact, I already prepared some a while back. However, I very much dislike the template we currently use for sounds. If we could maybe bring in the one from Wikipedia, I'd be happy to put them in. 2) I figured this section might give me trouble, but I'd hate to lose it. It's just hard to prove something is not true without someone flat out denying it. I think most of the things I put are okay, because they are already contradicted by facts earlier in the article (from valid sources). The refs I provided for those were just to show that they are in fact real rumors that are out there. (And, I have to disagree with Jorrel: I think Wikipedia is a perfectly valid source when being used as a source for misinformation.) Still, I'm open to suggestions on how to improve this. -- Ozzel 20:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I made improvised a template and added 3 sound clips. -- Ozzel 07:04, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm undecided on this, but perhaps the Dha Werda Verda section should be moved to later in the article, but that's not really an objection. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the last two paragraphs of "Reception" could be changed to "Criticism" and given their own section. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I somewhat give the Misconceptions section an askance look. It just feels off, both in formatting and content, but it's not in the rules. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:37, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This is a new type of FA nom, so I want it to be really good, and it's also precedent, which is another reason to insist on high quality stuff. Overall impressive and the objections I have are mostly minor. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:39, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

(3 Inq/0 User/3 total)
Support
 * 1) The Dude. Thefourdotelipsis 12:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 19:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Spoilerific. Green Tentacle (Talk) 09:55, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Objections
 * 1) This suggest he may have been in the NJOSB. If not, and this page is original material, it should be added to the sources. --Eyrezer 09:07, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) *Fixed. Thefourdotelipsis 23:50, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Luke's referred to as Grand Master before it says he declared himself that. Green Tentacle (Talk) 22:13, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * From a desk far, far, away
 * Ridiculously oversized intro. "Proper" lead please: the current one eclipses that of the largest FAs or noms in existence.
 * It's not that much bigger than Jade's. It only looks massive since the infobox is pissantesque. Intro size, provided it's not copious, comes down to authorial preference. I thought that was the best way in which I could summarise Omas. Plus, you'll want to save this objection for the Fel article. Thefourdotelipsis 11:33, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Colloquial diction, as well as somewhat repetitive diction in the Yuuzhan Vong War. Needs a more encyclopediac tone.
 * Could you please cite examples? I'm not challenging you, I'm just a tad simple in the way of complexities in your funky language. Thefourdotelipsis 09:26, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * "Loggerheads", "blame" used twice relatively close together in 1st para, "support endorsement" reads awkwardly. I prefer to keep this things as nation-neutral as possible while still using the MoS mandated American English. (Despite the fact that most Americans don't speak English: they speak American.) Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 04:23, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd like a little more detail in the 28 ABY election, and the last sentence of the last paragraph reads strangely.
 * Mention that Omas was willing to use Alpha Red- either in Bio or in P&T.
 * Done. Thefourdotelipsis 09:26, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Was Omas present for the liberation of Coruscant, or did he come in afterward? I suspect the latter, but I could be wrong.
 * Fixed. Bah! Thefourdotelipsis 11:40, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Corellian counterattack should be linked.
 * It's the same article as the blockade. Thefourdotelipsis 11:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Should the fact that Jacen was not Omas's first pick for GAG chief be mentioned? I think so.
 * Though it's kinda by-the-by, I'll mention your precious Jade. Fixed. Thefourdotelipsis 11:36, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Broken reference
 * Fixed. Thefourdotelipsis 08:30, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Check again. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 04:23, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Oooh! Pants! Ficksed. Thefourdotelipsis 09:29, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No info from AOC I
 * And rightly so. He doesn't do anything. Thefourdotelipsis 09:17, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * No info from Exile
 * Added. Thefourdotelipsis 09:12, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Better, but what is a "thoraway" suggestion? Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 04:23, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Generally a thunderous one. Fixed. Thefourdotelipsis 09:35, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 00:09, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Possible Inferno spoilers! Really nice work, great to see Omas finally fleshed out, but the last section needs work. The final sentence being about Ben Skywalker doesn't fit - I think he has known Jacen was unstable since Bloodlines - and detracts from the...well, gravitas of the final section. Also, some quotations from that chapter would nice, as well as a better section heading. Have a nice day! --Harrar 18:00, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * DAVID WARNERING! HEAVY SPOILERS WITHIN FOR INFERNO! YOU HAVE BEEN ADVISED. Thefourdotelipsis 12:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

(3 Inquisitors/5 Users/8 Total. This is the complete amount of votes.)
The area under which you vote to support
 * 1) This is a vote to support. Thefourdotelipsis 12:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Now this is funny.  Chack Jadson  Talk 14:04, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) --  Darth Culator  (Talk) 20:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) I'd probably prefer to see the caption go, but I won't hold that against the article. Green Tentacle (Talk) 09:19, 28 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) This entry indicates my support. Master Aban Fiolli (Alpheridies University ComNet) [[Image:NewRepublic.png|25px]] 23:44, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) This is a vote in support of the Ric Olié article being highlighted as a featured article. If the caption goes, I'll strike my vote... and I said "I'll strike my vote." KEJ 14:04, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) I believe that the article for the Star Wars character Ric Olié is worthy of featured article status. Adamwankenobi 23:17, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) This is the signature of a user who believes that the article on the character Ric Olie meets the requirements for featured article status. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 04:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

'''The area under which you vote to oppose. Also, the area under which Ataru makes a list of complaints''' The area under which comments are made
 * 1) Sorry. Rule 5. And the question of who is engaging in the edit war isn't relevant to rule 5, so this objection will stay until the subject is dropped. --  Darth Culator  (Talk) 23:34, 26 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) *Per the talk page, the issue appears to be settled unless someone does something incredibly stupid to restart it. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 20:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Expand BTS with information from &hellip;BTS. --Imperialles 14:54, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) *I had considered that, but I thought it was more relevant to the Naboo Space Fighter Dude Guys in general, rather than Olié in particular. It'd kinda be like putting trivia about stormtrooper armor in the Daric LaRone article. Thefourdotelipsis 11:24, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Introduction: Is it really necessary to state that he was a Human male? --Imperialles 09:25, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) *Since we're taking an IU perspective, yeah. If he were Bothan, we would make note of it in the intro. Plus, he might be near human, or something. I dunno. Thefourdotelipsis 09:30, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) **In addition to being fairly standard procedure, it plays subtly yet well to the theme of the article. jSarek 09:46, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * WARNING. THERE ARE NO SPOILERS IN THIS ARTICLE. Oh, and if you're going to complain about the caption at the bottom, ask Jaymach or Darth Culator. Thefourdotelipsis 12:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

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Support
 * 1) Thefourdotelipsis 12:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Don't see why not. Unit 8311 12:10, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) A few things:
 * 2) * Introduction: "generally accepted as the foremost Gungan of his time." Weasel words.
 * 3) **Removed.
 * 4) * Punctuation: Em dashes are erroneously surrounded by spaces.
 * 5) **Fixed by someone else.
 * 6) * Excessive links: This article has a lot. Remove them.
 * 7) **Fixed by someone else.
 * 8) * Unsourced images: Image:Bossnass.jpg, Image:Naboo celebration.jpg.
 * 9) **Fixed.
 * 10) * Behind the scenes: This section could be significantly expanded.
 * 11) **Expanded. Thefourdotelipsis 11:44, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 12) *Thank you. --Imperialles 14:12, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 13) **Fixed. Thefourdotelipsis 11:28, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 14) Since he's too lazy to object himself: " he hasn't included all info from the EpI Adventures books" Green Tentacle (Talk) 10:33, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * This one's an oldie, so feel free to tear it a new one. Thefourdotelipsis 12:03, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

(3 Inqs/0 Users/3 Total)
Support
 * 1) The first of my summer noms. Havac 23:07, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Cull Tremayne 02:08, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Thefourdotelipsis 10:30, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) A few things:
 * 2) * Punctuation: Em dashes are surrounded by spaces. Remove the spaces.
 * 3) * Quotes: Remove excessive links.
 * 4) * BTS: "The single instance of blue eyes is likely considered a coloring error." Likely considered? Reword this.
 * 5) * BTS: "In Loyalties, Autem's depiction bears a striking resemblance to actor Bruce Willis, who may have been used as photo reference. Willis's likeness has also been seemingly replicated for Kam Solusar in Star Wars: Union." Original research. Remove or provide a source.
 * 6) * BTS: "Autem's reference to being backstabbed by a Devaronian may have been intended to be a nod to another Ostrander character, the duplicitous Vilmarh Grahrk. Whether the Devaronian was in fact Grahrk is undetermined." Again, original research.
 * 7) *Have a super day. --Imperialles 13:53, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) **I'm going to have someone run a bot to remove spaces around em dashes. So that will be fixed sometime shortly. I like to make sure that, when a person looks at a quote, they don't have to go digging around the first section of the article for a link. I like quotes to stand on their own, just like image captions. But if you want to enforce your personal stylistic preferences across the wiki, fine. They're changed. BTS reworded. Source already provided: Loyalties. Anyone with eyes can see that Autem looks like Willis. This isn't exactly "Autem is a representation of man's internal racism" here. That's the original research we're supposed to outlaw. Drawing very basic, fundamentally obvious connections is not banned by the original research prohibition. See the next. Never explicitly stated, but it immediately jumps out as a likely in-joke reference, and is worth noting as such, simply saying for the reader, "This may be an in-joke reference to this other character that the author writes, but don't think that it's actually established canon that it is the other character." I see no reason to remove it. Havac 17:51, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) ***The quote thing has nothing to do with my personal stylistic preference. It's policy. See WP:MOS. The two sentences in BTS qualify as original research per WP:ATT. --Imperialles 18:05, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) ****I quite deliberately checked WP:MOS, and the quote linking is only in regard to links within the quotes themselves, not the attribution of the quotes. And as for original research, those rules are ported directly from Wikipedia. Wikipedia, unlike Wookieepedia, is about real-world topics, every one of which has had some person, somewhere, write a book about. Just about any analysis they want to provide can be sourced from a book. There are, unless I am mistaken, no books available which analyze Republic comics in-jokes. That's why I've brought up NOR for the next Mofference's agenda. Can we agree to leave this matter until then? Havac 18:12, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 11) *****The MOS makes no distinction between the quotes themselves and the quote attributions. Very well, I'll drop the OR issue until then. --Imperialles 18:18, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 12) ******FWIW, it's always been my perception that BTS items did not always need to be cited, since some speculation is perfectly safe (the injoke in this case qualifies, provided it is phrased as "maybe"). The Bruce Willis thing seems more "out there." I say that not because I can't recall seeing an Autem picture that looked like Willis to me, but because it comes with less direct evidence.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 20:28, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 13) *******Read Loyalties -- there are several frames where it looked like he drew over a picture of Willis. Even in the three last images in the article, you should be able to see some similarities. Havac 20:47, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 14) My only suggestion is to reiterate in the P&T how Autem did bend the law to keep his children out of trouble. It needs to be there as info that Autem did not in fact always put the Republic first. Other than that, the article is very good. That's all I've got.  Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 05:18, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 15) *Addressed. Havac 06:10, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments

(3 Inq/1 User/4 Total)
Support
 * 1) Havac 04:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Why not just put up all your articles at once? Cull Tremayne 16:46, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) *I'm putting them up as I finish tweaking them. Expect Jace Dallin later today and Soontir Fel sometime after that; Agen Kolar and BoShek are still waiting on images from Culator. Havac 18:24, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Adamwankenobi 23:19, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 5)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 18:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose Comments
 * 1) Mate, I got to the second "Bulq was tapped" and stopped. You've got to find a better word, one that doesn't have a second, hilarious meaning. Thefourdotelipsis 12:23, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) *Apparently adding one word in for clarification is tantamount to eating babies. Thefourdotelipsis 06:35, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Just a few minor things:
 * 4) *Please provide a reference tag in the infobox where it lists Dooku as his Dark Jedi master.
 * 5) *From the BtS, is it possible to reword this sentence? Right now it seems a little off to me: "&hellip;Windu was able to end the fight as soon as he decided that he should with a well-placed Force Push."
 * 6) *Otherwise, it looks good. Greyman ( Paratus ) 15:20, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) **See how you like that. Havac 17:40, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) ***Better, thanks. Greyman ( Paratus ) 18:29, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

(3 Inqs/0 Users/3 Total)
Support
 * 1) Havac 18:48, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Cull Tremayne 07:34, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Good characer. Unlike Autem! Bah! Thefourdotelipsis 00:39, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) *Autem . . . not a good character? That's it, surrender the crack pipe. Havac 03:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) A few things:
 * 2) * Punctuation: Em dashes are erroneously surrounded by spaces.
 * 3) * Quotes: Several contain excessive internal links.
 * 4) * Introduction: Is it really necessary to state that he was a male Human?
 * --Imperialles 15:16, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) *Both of the first two already addressed at Autem's entry; on the third, I personally don't think so, but I was going with the widespread style. Thank you for providing me with an excuse to ditch it. Havac 17:53, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Since reference tags have been provided for all his other "Affiliations", is it possible to get a ref tag for the Confederacy of Independent Systems? Greyman ( Paratus ) 15:08, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) *I left that because of the way it's organized -- The Provisional Government thing is a subset of the Confederacy, so by sourcing the Provisional thing, the Confederacy is sourced. The Confederate affiliation is inherent to the Provisional affiliation. But if you want, it can be sourced. Havac 21:25, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * I really enjoyed this one. Nice work. Cull Tremayne 07:34, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

(5 Inqs/1 User/6 Total)
Support
 * 1) Havac 00:16, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) A well put-together article.--Goodwood 05:14, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Cull Tremayne 07:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Havac, this is your best work, in my humble opinion. One of the most fascinating articles I've read in the past few weeks. And the infobox picture is just fine. Thefourdotelipsis 07:45, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Green Tentacle (Talk) 10:51, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Very enjoyable read, and very well written.  Greyman ( Paratus ) 02:37, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) BTS: "Fel's name is misspelled as "Baron Soontir Fell" in More Starships!." This sentence is completely disconnected from the other paragraphs, and seems like uninteresting trivia at best. Can we remove it? --Imperialles 13:27, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) *Again, I prefer to note any instances in which character names are misspelled (and Jaymach absolutely insists on it :p). Those sorts of burps in canon are, I feel, notable, because they're in canon, yet we're expected to dismiss them as typos. In More Starships!, that's the only time Fel's name is given. So, theoretically, one could say that Fel never appears in it. A new character, Baron Soontir Fell, does. But it's an obvious misspelling and we accept it as such, but some misspellings have created entire new entities or vast confusion. So it's worth at least a note. Note, Imp, that my paragraph-heavy style is by far the exception among BTSes, and so when more conventional one-line notes come along, they look slightly out of place, but that doesn't mean they are out of place. Havac 18:00, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) **Very well. --Imperialles 18:10, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Intro needs to be shorter (Rule 7). - Lord Hydronium 03:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) *I've trimmed it some, but I just can't get it any shorter and still try to keep it coherent and containing a reasonable level of detail -- the guy simply has too much story. If that's really not enough, I can try to just completely rewrite the whole damned thing. Havac 18:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) *From the long-distance desk of Atarumaster88
 * 7) ** Trim intro please. My friend Mr. White has some advice for you: "Omit needless words." Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 02:25, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) ***Intro significantly trimmed yet again. I think it's pretty reasonable. Havac 02:51, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) **Small clarification on whether Fel knew about throwing the Battle of Nar Shaddaa please. IIRC, he didn't know.
 * 10) ***Addressed. Havac 03:38, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 11) **Bracket error in intro.
 * 12) ***Fixed. Havac 03:38, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 13) **Should Fel's position in the Chiss phalanxes earn a mention in the succession box? Is that sort of info available?
 * 14) ***It's not available in clear enough form to create succession boxes around it, unfortunately. Havac 03:38, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 15) **The caption that reads "Empire of Hand-style uniform" is not from a source related to the Empire of the Hand. Please correct.
 * 16) ***That's why it says "-style". Fel's 181st uniform, with the red stripes, appears to have been made the basis of EOTH uniforms, with all sources that describe EOTH pilot uniforms describing them as sporting red-striped sleeves. Ergo, the image is not labeled, "Fel in an EOTH uniform" but instead "This is pretty much what Fel would have looked like in an EOTH uniform". Images for that period of his life being sparse, that was the best I could do. If you still can't bear it, take it out. But the caption isn't saying anything wrong or particularly misleading. Havac 03:38, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 17) **Some info from P&T (and/or bio) should be moved to Relationships section.
 * 18) ***He's only got one relationship (at least in the sense in which Relationships sections are traditionally used -- lover). Not worth it. There's not a massive amount of relationship analysis stuff -- just little personality bits. He loved his wife very much. He demanded high standards of his children. The focus remains on his personality, not his relationships themselves. I don't think there's a need to wall information off like that. Havac 03:38, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 19) **Extremely impressive article overall and an absolute pleasure to read. Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating Day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 03:18, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * Can we get a better profile pic? That one appears later in the article anyway. QuentinGeorge 01:23, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the infobox one is highly cropped relative to the greater image. But, anyway, none of the comic panels really approach that level of detail or realism, which I think is key in an infobox portrait. I've gotten complaints about the infobox pic before, but have yet to see any superior images presented. The closest is the top one in the P&T, which isn't bad quality art, but doesn't look nearly as much like any other representation of Fel we've ever seen, unlike the current infobox shot. The Japanese Refugee cover art would be great in there, but then I'd either have to go completely without an image for the large last section of the article, which would look very odd, or else completely -- rather than partially -- duplicate the infobox image later in the article. It's not something that I haven't thought through, but I just can't come to any other conclusion than that the current picture is the best option. Really, it's not that bad an image. Havac 01:42, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The one in the "personality" section seems ideal to me. *shrugs*. It's just not that too big of a deal I guess. QuentinGeorge 03:16, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Is there any other art that could replace the Japanese cover art so that that picture can be in the infobox? I gotta say that I prefer the Japanese drawing to the Essential Guide one. Cull Tremayne 07:32, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Nothing else in the same timeframe. I'd love to be able to use it, but it's just impractical. Havac 16:11, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

(3 Inqs/1 Users/4 Total)
Support
 * 1) Havac 06:23, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Lord Hydronium 13:35, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Cull Tremayne 03:19, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 4)  Chack Jadson  Talk  23:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Punctuation: Em dashes are currently surrounded by spaces. The spaces should be removed. --Imperialles 20:11, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Excessive internal links throughout the article, especially in the quote attributions. With regards to the quote attributions, I would like to see those links be put in the body of the article (which it appears is already the case with most). Other than this minor thing, it is a nice article and an enjoyable read.  Greyman ( Paratus ) 20:21, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Two things:
 * 4) * Introduction: The first sentence is disconnected from the two other paragraphs. It's just floating there. Can we merge this with an existing paragraph, or expand it enough to warrant a separate paragraph?
 * 5) **I separated them while I was editing because I like them like that. The first sentence is the "executive summary" version. You can put it back if you prefer. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 23:08, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) * BTS: "In the Underworld article, BoShek's name was incorrectly capitalized as "Boshek"." Is this really interesting? Either flesh this out or remove it entirely. --Imperialles 23:06, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) **Well, you can't really expand on it, but an instance in which a character's name is incorrectly given is worth a mention. That's what BTS is for. "This one source spells it Boshek. If that's all you know him from, that capitalization is wrong. Thank you and have a nice day." Havac 03:25, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) ***I merged it with one of the other paragraphs. What do you think? --Imperialles 13:22, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) ****I like it a good deal. Havac 18:03, 2 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * Redlinks... Cull Tremayne 08:08, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * There should only be three, which is the accepted maximum. Havac 16:10, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Which means we won't vote against it, but we also don't necessarily have to vote for it. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 20:55, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I have addressed both Imp and Greyman's objections with AWB. The spaces around dashes are gone, and the infobox and succession box are the only places you'll find links that are already in the article body. Now the redlinks need to die. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 22:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Redlinks killed. Cull Tremayne 03:19, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

(2 Inqs/1 Users/3 Total)
Support
 * 1) The final one of my noms. Havac 05:26, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Exhaustive and complete. :-P Cull Tremayne 05:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Good.  Chack Jadson  Talk 21:25, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose Comments
 * 1) A few things:
 * 2) * Punctuation: Em dashes are surrounded by spaces. Remove the spaces.
 * 3) * Quotes: Remove excessive links.
 * 4) * Powers and abilities: Provide a source for the statement regarding Windu's lightsaber skills.
 * 5) *Thank you. --Imperialles 13:40, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) **First two already addressed, and the third should be within the source given -- the ROTS novel. Havac 18:05, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Incomplete interwiki links. -LtNOWIS 07:14, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) *There's really nothing I can do about that. If you have knowledge of these missing interwiki links, please add them. Havac 17:12, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) **Fixed. -LtNOWIS 02:18, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

(5 Inqs/3 Users/9 Total)
Support
 * 1) Green Tentacle (Talk) 19:27, 2 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Gah! Information overload! Cull Tremayne 07:23, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Great Artical  Dark Lord Xander  ( Embrace The Dark Side! )[[Image:MandalorianSymbol.jpg|20px]] 09:55, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Deserves it. Unit 8311 14:37, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Imperialles 09:28, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Great article. --  Darth Culator  (Talk) 23:22, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Excellent read, very informative.  Greyman ( Paratus ) 23:23, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Incredible! - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 02:56, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) From the throne of Emperor Imperialles:
 * 2) * References: The article contains several instances of references being placed before punctuation.
 * 3) *Role: Some thin paragraphs here. Consider fleshing them out or merging them.
 * 4) *Training: The last four paragraphs of this section are pretty thin. It might have worked if they weren't all very similar. Consider merging them, at least.
 * --Imperialles 21:57, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Training, Role, and references addressed--MIS Tau 1 02:28, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments

(3 Inqs/3 Users/6 Total)
Support
 * 1) It's everyone's favourite green tooth in a big metal suit! Thefourdotelipsis 05:41, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Dang that Visionaries story is stupid. Cull Tremayne 07:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) --Eyrezer 12:32, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Adamwankenobi 20:38, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) You have my [....] support. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 16:10, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 6)  Chack Jadson  Talk  23:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) What Gamer 10 article is he in? --Eyrezer 08:15, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) *It's fixed. Thefourdotelipsis 09:43, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Isn't that Visionaries story non-canon? Reading the article on it I seem to get the impression that it is not wholly considered to be canon--maybe you should put an "ambig" warning around that particular section of his article. --Goodwood 02:06, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) *See Talk:Star Wars: Visionaries. -LtNOWIS 06:39, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments

(3 Inqs/1 Users/4 Total)
Support
 * 1) Lord Hydronium 12:30, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Cull Tremayne 20:01, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Green Tentacle (Talk) 15:49, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Wonderful.  Chack Jadson  Talk 21:18, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

Comments

(3 Inqs/0 Users/3 Total)
Support
 * 1) Lord Hydronium 12:30, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Cull Tremayne 20:06, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Green Tentacle (Talk) 11:25, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Two things:
 * 2) *Specifications and layout: Seeing as all these sections are very short, wouldn't it be better to simply merge them all together?
 * 3) **It might...but I liked separating them by deck/general area, and that seemed as good a way as any. - Lord Hydronium 07:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) *Behind the scenes: ""Harbinger" means something that foreshadows events to come." Relevance? It's a pretty common English word. I don't see the need for the explanation.
 * 5) **Removed, apparently, though I thought it was an uncommon enough word to deserve note. Especially since it's somewhat significant in the context of the story. - Lord Hydronium 07:05, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * --Imperialles 16:55, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * That history section's quite good. Cull Tremayne 20:06, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

(2 Inqs/3 Users/5 Total)
Support
 * 1) Cull Tremayne 06:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Adamwankenobi 20:31, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 3)  —Xwing328 (Talk) 00:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 20:56, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 5)  Chack Jadson  Talk  23:11, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose

Comments
 * Is it a coincidence that Raich is spelled sort of like Reich? Probably. Cull Tremayne 06:03, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Some slight repitition of phrases between the intro and the main body. —Xwing328 (Talk) 00:26, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

(3 Inqs/2 Users/4 Total)
Support
 * 1) Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 04:10, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 2)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 19:18, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Good work -- [[Image:AckbarSig.jpg|40px]] dmirableAckbar  ( It's A Trap! ) 22:46, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) --Imperialles 23:20, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Cull Tremayne 20:58, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 6)  StarNeptune Talk to me! 02:21, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Oppose Comments
 * 1) * I'm not so sure that the P&T section is entirely accurate. What source has Crado as a proud Cathar warrior? None of the stories that he's featured in ever show him that way. However, describing Crado as "broken and submissive" is pushing it a bit. Yes, he was eager to please and learn from Kun, but he was never treated with disdain or forced into anything. Additionally, don't you think it's a little inaccurate to say that "His eagerness to please Kun led Crado to assist him in his fight against their teacher"? Doesn't Crado say something along the lines of "prove your arrogance, if you can"? This says to me that Crado wished to see Kun humiliated, not to see him succeed. Additionally, Crado didn't give Kun a second lightsaber, Kun used the Force to grab the second weapon. Crado only threw him the weapon after he had been disarmed by Vodo. It also seems unfair to say that "the Cathar ultimately turned on his own mate in favor of his new master". Was there a part where Crado tried to actively kill Sylvar? I saw general remorse after his failure to kill Thon. I'd like that section to better clarify his personality instead of simplifying it into a "weak-willed follower" mentality. Cull Tremayne 07:24, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) *Very well, I shall rewrite the section. However, I'd like to point out that Crado did make the decision that Sylvar must die. And his feelings afterwards are left to interpretation; you have your version, I have mine, so I'll just leave that bit out. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 14:29, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) **I incorporated the things you pointed out into my rewrite of the Personality and Traits section, and corrected my mistake. Hopefully, Crado looks more like a developed character now. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 20:33, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) From the Grey of Man:
 * 5) * Provide reference tags for the following information in the infobox: Homeworld, hair color, eye color, known masters. Though this is not part of the objection, I wouldn't be against seeing reference tags for his affiliations either.
 * 6) **Tags added. Also, unverified information removed. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 15:41, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) * The article seems pretty crammed with pictures right now; try spacing them out a bit since there is a lot of space near the bottom of the article which could be used.
 * 8) **Pictures spaced out; one removed (don't much care for death pictures, anyway). - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 16:06, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) * The first sentence in the introduction is rather quite long. It has several different points in it which could be broken up into their own sentences.
 * 10) **I've broken it up. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 15:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 11) * Please reword to get rid of "the human": "After years of rivalry, Crado chose to follow the Human when Kun became".
 * 12) **Done. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 15:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 13) * From the second paragraph of the intro: "Conducting a number of missions for Exar Kun, Crado turned on the Jedi&mdash;as well as his former lover, Sylvar&mdash;in order to serve his fellow student". Although we know who his fellow student it, it needs to made clear for others.
 * 14) **Clarified. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 15:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 15) * It should be noted in the intro that he died at Kemplex IX or the Battle of Kemplex IX.
 * 16) **Added. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 15:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 17) * I'm not sure if that last sentence in the introduction belongs there. While I can see why you placed it there, it really belongs in a separate section (see last objection).
 * 18) **Removed. Good point; thank you. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 15:49, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 19) * Is it possible to get a quote for the beginning of the Biography section? I know there a number of relevant quotes from Tales of the Jedi: Dark Lords of the Sith, specifically where Crado is dueling Kun.
 * 20) **Quote from next section moved to top of Biography for relevance. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 16:06, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 21) * This long sentence needs to be broken up: "After this incident, Vodo-Siosk Baas and his two remaining apprentices received news of a great meeting of the Jedi Order on the planet Deneba, which was being held to discuss the rise of the dark side cult known as the Krath and its repeated attacks against the Republic." Two separate sentences can easily be created out of this.
 * 22) **Broken up; sorry, I have read a lot of Cicero. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 17:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 23) * Nothing is mentioned of how Crado tried to persuade Sylvar to marry him so that the two could run away together and become "renowned" among the Cather people. This happened right before the Conclave of Deneba.
 * 24) **Mention provided. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 17:42, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 25) * Please provide a quote at the beginning of "The Great Sith War" section.
 * 26) **Quote added. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 16:06, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 27) * All of the "-" that are used need to be replaced with the proper dash formatting.
 * 28) **Added your favorite thing in the world. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 18:01, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 29) ***If you're going to use them, you need to use the right formatting :P And, yes, I do enjoy them :) Greyman ( Paratus )
 * 30) * Sentences should not start with "But", please reword both of these accordingly: "But in order to call even more Jedi to his cause, Exar Kun knew that he must obtain a Sith holocron" and "But Oss Wilum's control of the beasts was no match for Sunrider's skills at battle meditation&hellip;".
 * 31) **Sixth-grade English applied as instructed. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 18:01, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 32) * Please provide more a little more detail about Kun's murder of Odan-Urr. Master Urr did fight back, and his resistance is what forced Kun to call upon his dark powers to kill him.
 * 33) **Expanded, and lie included. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 18:01, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 34) ***What do mean by "lie"? Greyman ( Paratus ) 18:48, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 35) ****Heh, clarified in IRC...darn that Exar! Greyman ( Paratus ) 19:20, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 36) * This needs to be reworded as Kun did not create these Massassi, but simply altered existing Massassi into being dark side savages: "&hellip;but was confronted by the Massassi, whom the long-past Dark Lord Naga Sadow had created&hellip;"
 * 37) **Clarified. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 18:01, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 38) * Hsiss → Hssiss
 * 39) **Fixed. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 15:16, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 40) * A few instances of present tense need to be cleared up.
 * 41) **A long time ago... - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 18:11, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 42) * Very wordy and complicated sentence, please reword: "Years later, Sylvar blamed the surviving—yet fallen and in self-imposed exile—Sith, Ulic Qel-Droma, for Crado's fall to the dark side and demise."
 * 43) **Broken up as requested. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 16:27, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 44) * The complete lack of a "Legacy" section needs to be rectified. Anything after Crado's death needs to fall under this heading, especially since those events take place a decade after his death.
 * 45) **A "proper" Legacy section has been denoted, including a relevant quote. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 16:27, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 46) * Greyman ( Paratus ) 15:04, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 47) A couple uses of "but" to start a sentence in the P&T. Cull Tremayne 00:51, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 48) *But I always start sentences with "but!" Just kidding; removed. Why professional writers never have to follow this rule escapes me. - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 04:27, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 49) **It's perfectly fine English to start a sentence with "But". - Lord Hydronium 00:05, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 50) ***In my defense, I was just reiterating Greyman's objection above after that part had been rewritten. :-P Cull Tremayne 00:15, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * 51) ****So, I don't suppose you two gents might want to vote for the article now? ;) - Graestan  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( This party's over ) 00:26, 7 September 2007 (UTC)
 * From the desk of Atarumaster88
 * Tales of Jedi Companion is not listed as source/appearance. I'm not familiar with this medium, so is it a standalone work?
 * A bit more detail on Crado's role in the attack on Deneba if available.
 * Sylvar's response to his proposal is never given.
 * A good read overall. Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 03:44, 9 September 2007 (UTC)