Talk:Han Solo/Legends

Non-copyvio article (aka new version of this article)
I started a replacement article for our old copyvio one. All I did was fill in the character template, give a Databank link, and write a potential intro paragraph to the character. – Aidje talk 05:51, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * And its gonna need alot more. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:37, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * That's for sure. – Aidje talk 16:13, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Expanded a bit. Still needs expansion on early years and a lot on post-Endor life.  &mdash; Silly Dan  15:14, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Putting it on the main page, with some very preliminary post-Endor stuff and a request for expansion. &mdash; Silly Dan  16:03, 30 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Temp page history

 * (cur) (last) 09:50, 25 Jul 2005 Azizlight (→Appearances - dark empire)
 * (cur) (last) 16:01, 24 Jul 2005 Aidje (→Involvement with the Rebel Alliance - missed one)
 * (cur) (last) 16:00, 24 Jul 2005 Aidje (removed links from section headings (against guidelines))
 * (cur) (last) 15:59, 24 Jul 2005 Aidje (spelling; additions to === Childhood ===; started === Early smuggling career ===)
 * (cur) (last) 10:47, 24 Jul 2005 Silly Dan (some more biography, behind the scenes section)
 * (cur) (last) 09:06, 24 Jul 2005 Silly Dan (→Appearances - add Daley novels)
 * (cur) (last) 21:19, 23 Jul 2005 MarcK (removing Sources, italicization, more specific Appearances)
 * (cur) (last) 16:20, 23 Jul 2005 Aidje ({spoiler}; === Childhood ===; == Sources ==; == Appearances ==; categories (currently commented out))
 * (cur) (last) 02:15, 16 Jul 2005 MarcK m (Category:Temporary pages)
 * (cur) (last) 23:50, 15 Jul 2005 Aidje (character box; introductory first paragraph (might could be worded better--or maybe I'm just paranoid); db link)

Torture
I seem to recall Solo being tortured at least three times: by Darth Vader on Cloud City, by Nil Spaar aboard Pride of Yevetha...and another that I can't recall. Can anyone else remember the lost torture session or am I just imagining things? --SparqMan 23:28, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Gethzerion tortures him in The Courtship of Princess Leia. Dunno if that's the one you mean, tho. StarNeptune 19:43, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * Daala tortures him in the Maw YIIMM 07:41, 1 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Han also gets tortured by the Chiss aboard one of there Star Destroyers as a means to interrogate Leia in Dark Nest III, the Swarm War. - Though in fact this does turn out to be a Han Solo double!

Languages
Every the intergalactic gentleman, Han seems to have quite the number of languages under his belt. There are a few languages he tries in Shield of Lies, Rodese in A New Hope, Shyriiwook...what else? --SparqMan 09:22, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC) Oh that's right, good call. Brain freeze! --SparqMan 19:38, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * That wasn't Rodese; that was Huttese that poor Greedo was speaking. Also, if Nien Nunb spoke Sullustan with him in the Marvel Comics, then he spoke that, as well. jSarek 10:52, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)

info about solo blaster?
 * DL-44 heavy blaster pistol - Kwenn 18:52, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * He spoke sullust-ese or whatever in Paridise Snare. acutally, it said he could understand, but not speak it.

To Jedi or not to Jedi?
It's mentioned a few times in Swarm War that Han's done so much for them that the rest of the Order actually considers him a member of the Jedi. So do we put him in the Jedi category or take him out? We've had a couple of reverts back and forth, and I don't want this to turn into an edit war.Thanos6 18:44, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * The category is 'Jedi characters', implying that the characters in the category are Jedi. Han is not actually a Jedi, so he can't be placed in this category. If we had a category for 'Jedi Order' or similar (i.e. subjects that are part of the Order, but aren't necessarily Jedi themselves. I think Lorn Pavan worked at the Temple as part of the maintenance staff at one point, though he wasn't Force-sensitive), he could be placed into that - Kwenn 18:50, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps a "Jedi-Auxillary" category? Antarian Rangers, Lorn Pavan, Han Solo, Agricultural corps. Its something of a catch-all, but it might be helpful
 * Lorn Pavan did work at the jedi temple but though process of elimination, i figured he was "Fired" because his son was being trained, so i don't think he would totally fit in that category

Age
Where did his age come from. Super Star Wars says he's 31 in ANH but his article says he's 29 in ANH. --Darthsith19 23:07, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Er, we're not really going to take Super Star Wars info over official, verified sources. I believe Leland Chee has a Blog featuring the birth years of the major characters, which confirms Han is 29 in ANH - Kwenn 23:10, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Leland Chee, huh? Who the heck is that? Must be someone pretty official if you take his advice.
 * He's the Keeper of the Holocron - ie, the official database that the EU authors use to keep everything in sync. QuentinGeorge 23:48, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Um, okay. --Darthsith19 05:40, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * man, chill out. han was 29. if he were 31, that means that he and leia would have been 9 years apart. seriously, now....Yoda1300 23:30, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm chilled out. And actually if he were 31 he and Leia'd be 12 years apart. As it is they're 10 years apart. Seems likda crazy, but why would we judge there ages by their love?


 * It comes from the later Han Solo trilogy, which has a pretty clear timeline and starts 10 years before ANH, with Han 19 years old.


 * Does this mean Han is 69 in Betrayal?!?!!
 * Apparently so. I presume he eats a balanced diet, continues to lead an active lifestyle, and has more advanced medical care than currently exists in the real world.  Besides, Harrison Ford is soon to turn 64, and continues to star in action films and fly around in helicopters. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 16:17, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Clotheslegging
The Falcon's crew attempted clotheslegging in the Cron Drift

Can anyone explain me what does clotheslegging mean in this context? English is a second language for me, but I tried several dictionaries and didn't find anything. --Bodo-Baas 20:38, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Smuggling clothes, I assume. (The word probably comes from the term "bootlegging", which might be more familiar to you.) The only mention of it I recall is in the Han Solo and the Corporate Sector Sourcebook (it might also be mentioned in Han Solo and the Lost Legacy), but all the details given are that they tried it. &mdash; Silly Dan 21:04, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Frozen
did Han Solo stayed frozen in carbonite for 1 year? -Darth Tader
 * I think it was only a few months (a busy few months, considering Shadows of the Empire, three years worth of Marvel Star Wars, and a bundle of other adventures took place while he was frozen.) &mdash; Silly Dan 01:34, 15 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, thanks. -Darth Tader

Date of death
I suggest that for the characters whos dates of death are unknown, we simply put "unknown," instead of leaving it blank. My reasoning is because we have to assume that since this takes place long ago, all of these characters would be dead anyway. Putting "unknown" lets the reader know they are considered dead. Yeah, I know it's silly, but... Adamwankenobi 04:24, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree. I've been removing all these unknowns since one of the new features of the box is that we CAN leave fields blank - and they won't appear. QuentinGeorge 08:34, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Drummed out of the Empire?
Forgive me for asking this, but if Han Solo saved Chewbacca from a blaster shot, and ostensibly helped free him, would the Empire simply drum him out? Surely he'd be sentenced to death or imprisoned at least, no one crosses the Empire right? is it not more likely he escaped and it was covered up by his superior to avoid embarassment and possible court martial of those who were supposed to stop him? Any thoughts on this? --Dante 10:10 am Feb 27 2006

Han himself recalled his court-martial in The Hutt Gambit. Han was most likely charged with assaulting a superior officer and the loss of Imperial property (one Wookiee slave) - serious enough to get him kicked out, but not enough to warrant execution. They figured that a dishonourable discharge, loss of pension and all back pay, and being stripped of his medals (save the Corellian Bloodstripes) was punishment enough, in addition to being unofficially blacklisted with shipping companies. 218.215.5.113 01:05, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Anyone notice this?
"Bugs! Why did it have to be bugs?" — Han Solo, on first encounter with the Killiks

I know it seems simple enough, and you've probably all realised this, but this quote from the Dark Nest trilogy is a play on the Indiana Jones quote; "Snakes! Why did it have to be sankes?" (Raiders of the Lost Ark)

Bald Imperial Cadet
Anyone remember what comic was Han a Bald Imperial Cadet still training with Fel and company? --Razzy1319 06:29, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * That would be X-wing Rogue Squadron 25: The Making of Baron Fel. The issue is also collected in the X-wing Rogue Squadron: Blood and Honor TPB. Red XIV 07:22, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

LOTF section
The LOTF section reads like the summary of the book. Is it even worth including as is? --SparqMan 02:29, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Quote From ANH
Anyone remember in the Mos Eisley Cantina when Obi-wan and Luke are talking to Han and Chewie? Then Han mentions something about outrunning Imperial starships. The conversation goes something like this: Han: ''I've outrun Imperial Starships. Not the local bulk cruisers, mind you, I'm talkin about the big Corellian ships, now.'' Now, the only "local bulk crusiers" that come to mind are Star Destroyers. But if my research is correct, they weren't manufactured by CEC, they were made by Kuat Drive Systems.

What "big Corellian ships" were Han talking about, if Star Destroyers were manufactured by Kuat? And if the Empire had a contract with Kuat?

Eon Kaaz 00:09, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That's mentioned a little at the top of the CEC article. -Finlayson 18:31, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Appearances

 * I'm making a list of Han appearances page, to cut down the size of this page and help navigation etc. I just did a similar thing for Darth Vader. I'm working it through on my subpage for now. If anyone has any problems with me moving the majority of the appearances to a seperate page, please let me know. Durnar 20:46, 26 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Is there a reason why none of his other appearances are listed? I know that he appeared in or was mentioned in practically all the novels.  I just wanted to have this clarified before I start listing all of his appearances in books, comics and video games.  White bishop 19:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Since we have an entire article listing his appearances, I'm not sure that we need much beyond the films in the main article. The movies and the SWHS are all that's listed for Luke Skywalker, for example. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 21:50, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * He has a ton of appearances that's why most were moved to a seperate list page. -Finlayson 22:16, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, that makes good sense, thanks for clearing that up guys!

Ugh....how disgusting!
Look at the article of this character. I would edit it but I don't want to screw it up and I don't know if it's vandalism or not.
 * It was, and it was reverted. Anyone seeing further similar vandalism can go to WP:VIP to report it, if you're not sure how to go to the article history and revert to a previous version. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 03:10, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Cushing as Han Solo?
Can someone please give a source for the claim that Cushing was considered for the Han Solo role? That seems truly bizarre to me. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 20:37, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That don't mention any other names in the Star Wars documentary. Harrison Ford was helping with reading during auditions and ended up with the role.  Seems like Cushing was too old.  -Finlayson 01:11, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Illegitimate Daughter?
I think I read somewhere that Han had an illegitimate daughter. I'm not sure if it's true or not; I didn't see anything on this page. Does anyone have any info on that? --DragonRidingSorceress 09:07, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, Danielle Kieran, although it's ambiguous as to whether it's canon. - Lord Hydronium 09:15, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It's in the bio on this article, as well.
 * There are rumours that, some time around 13 BBY, Han may have fathered a daughter, Danielle Kieran.
 * QuentinGeorge 09:32, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

What in space?
What the kriff? There is no mention of Bria Tharen at ALL in this page! Furthermore, I recall that Han received the Bloodstripes for rescuing a bunch of kids. I'll read over the sources tonight and fix it tomorrow.  Atarumaster88 21:03, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * She's briefly mentioned in the pre-military career sector...but we seem to have missed the whole Battle of Ylesia, not to mention whatever happened with the Yavin Vassilka. All the same, it appears he already had the Bloodstripes when he rescued the kids after the Battle of Ylesia: Rebel Dawn mentions that the Corellian gov't would have given him the award for that if he didn't have it already.  I also seem to recall that his award was upgraded sometime between ANH and ESB, but I don't know where I read that. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 21:21, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I stand (or sit) correctly Silly Dan. I updated the page to better reflect the history of the most infamous smuggler ever to irritate a Hutt. Atarumaster88 19:20, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Now if someone can explain the origin of his bloodstripes, we're set. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 21:20, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hard to see, origin of Han's bloodstripes is. The dark side of ignorance clouds everything. Atarumaster88 05:23, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, Han had the bloodstripes before he rescued the kids, he's mentioned having them in the Han Solo Adventures, and that comes before he rescues the kids in Rebel Dawn. Badure, I think, told Hatsi he didn't even know how Han got them, and she'd have to ask him herself.Fritzler 20:34, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * We still do not know where he got them from. In all the sources I have seen, the origin has never been specified. Maybe this would be a good topic for Lucasfilm to let an author write on. Then again, it does add to the mystery of the man. Atarumaster88 21:00, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Bloodlines stuff
I removed this sentence: "Han and Leia later broke with the Corellians when they learned that they were planning to assassinate Tenel Ka and Allana." I just read the book, and I don't recall anything like that. I've made dumb errors before, so if it's actually correct, put it back in. -LtNOWIS 04:58, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

what in space? cont.
well bloodstripes are recived by either doing something good for the goverment i bet or being in the milatary, i think that is how myn donos got his bloodstripes. mabey han got his when he join the empire?

72.230.40.84 01:21, 12 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, the biggest problem with that statement was the words "I bet" and "I think." We do not allow speculation on factual articles, except in Behind the Scenes sections. Yes, it's possible. We can maybe even pick a rough timeline when he earned them based on existing works. However, we can't say when or how he got them precisely at this time until a source is given. NO SPECULATION. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 02:42, 12 September 2006 (UTC)

Inconsistency
One of the sections states that Garris Shrike attacked Han AFTER he graduated from the Academy. The way it's depicted in Paradise Snare, Han is attacked the night before he leaves to attend the Academy. Someone ought to patch that up (if no one does within the week, I'll give it a shot.)--DarkJoker 04:11, 25 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I posted it there and was going off of sheer memory. My mistake. I'll see what I can do to fix it. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 20:14, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No need. Silly Dan corrected that earlier today.  Good catch SD.  -Finlayson 20:23, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Things to Expand
Things to expand on Han, particularly EU information.  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff 01:50, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Marvel Star Wars
 * Classic Star Wars

*Jedi Search  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff 01:26, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

*Ambush at Corellia  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff 22:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Dark Apprentice
 * Champions of the Force
 * I, Jedi
 * Children of the Jedi
 * Darksaber
 * Planet of Twilight
 * The Crystal Star
 * Before the Storm
 * Shield of Lies
 * Tyrant's Test
 * The New Rebellion

*Assault at Selonia  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff 22:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)

*Showdown at Centerpoint  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff 22:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Specter of the Past
 * Vision of the Future

Assassaination attempts?
-- Redemption Talk 04:12, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

This sentence is in the Black Fleet Crisis section. During this time there were many assassaination attempts on his wife's life, in which Han was suspected of being involved. What is this supposed to say?


 * Having read the Black Fleet Crisis, I don't recall Leia's life being in danger too much- just her political career- during this time. Maybe Han was suspected of involvement in another crisis- maybe the New Rebellion one. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 22:15, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That was messed up wording or something. Jaina Solo and Silly Dan cleaned that up earlier today.  Leia was badly hurt in an attack on the Senate in New Rebellion.  -Fnlayson 22:33, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Before I go ahead and update the image...
Vote...have any other image to consider, place it below the votes. -- Redemption Talk 04:12, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Image 1

 * 1)  Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 04:12, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Yep.  Fnlayson 04:18, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Image 4

 * 1) Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg |25px]] 04:14, 22 October 2006 (UTC)