Talk:501st Journal

What is this? Kuralyov 00:46, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Apparently a summary of all of the intro scenes in Battlefront II. Doesn't seem particularly necessary to me. --MarcK [talk] 00:54, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't know. I can see how something like this would be useful. I'll probably work on it, but it needs to be finished up first, since I don't have the game myself.TIEPilot051999 00:56, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * While it isn't really necissary, I think it should stay for some reason. I don't know why, but it seems almost... interesting. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:02, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Point of View

 * I doubt the same clone reported all of these entries. How could he have participated at the Battles of Mygeeto, Felucia, Coruscant, and Kashyyyk, when all of them were practically simultaneous?  And their age would have accelerated too fast so they wouldn't have still been serving by the time of the Battle of Hoth.  I'm going to change it so that it was a Journal compiled from entries of various 501st members. DarthMaul431 03:44, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * You never know. The way the game has it, the 501st only participates in parts of the battle, not the whole thing. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:16, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Move
I believe the game calls the journal the Journals of the 501st. Move? Oh, and, journals would prove that multiple memberes wrote it.--Bly1993 13:26, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * It really doesn't matter. It's a journal of some of the battles the 501st were in, even if it was written by different members. There's no need for a move. Admiral J. Nebulax 15:56, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay.--Lt. 1993 19:37, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Copyright
I am removing the verbatim text, as it is a copyright violation. --SparqMan 19:40, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC) The game material is protected by copyright, including all forms of media contained within. --SparqMan 21:24, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I wasn't aware that was a copyright violation. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:25, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks better this way, at any rate.TIEPilot051999 21:34, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, it doesn't look better. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:37, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I have restored the text from the journals, as it is being used for illustative purposes in this article. We aren't trying to claim it is ours, or that it is our creation. I even added a copyright note at the top of the page. General Kenobi 22:40, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think you should have done that. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:43, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm fully aware that all of this can still be taken down at any moment, but as long as it's up it should at least have all of the entries so I'm going to add a few more of them. I agree with General Kenobi -- We're not trying to say that we made up this information. Is it no different from all of the images we have that Lucasfilm holds a copyright on? DarthMaul431 02:08, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it is very different. Lucasfilm has been very lenient with non-commercial use of images on the Internet. It is not so lenient with written copy. I have reverted your changes. Feel free to host it offsite. --SparqMan 03:14, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * So then we should remove all verbatim text? Like the speech from the Declaration of a New Order? -- SFH 03:25, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I was just about to say that. Why remove one, if not all, but I don't hear LFL complaining (yet). -- Riffsyphon1024 03:26, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * After thinking about it, we probably should for two reasons. First, as I said above, Lucasfilm has been lenient in the use of images (excluding those found exclusively on Hyperspace) online, particularly where fair use applies (comparative work like SWTC, for example). Second, it is does not fit with the encyclopedic style. Take a look at Declaration of Independence (United States). It offers history, context, annotation and relevant analysis, while it links to the WikiSource for the full text. While our verbatim text do not apply for something like WikiSource, we should strive for this encyclopedic style while linking to an offsite copy of the text. If one of you feels secure against a lawsuit from Lucasfilm, upload the text to your personal website and place it in the External links. Why put all of Wookieepedia at risk? --SparqMan 03:35, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * And what about all of the quotes we have scattered across the site? Should those be taken away too? DarthMaul431 03:31, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Quotations are treated differently than full verbatim text. If we want to summarize each entry, that would be acceptable. --SparqMan 03:35, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. Summarizing wouldn't seem to do anything.  I guess we should just leave it as it currently is. DarthMaul431 03:37, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, if all of this stuff would go, the quotes would probably go along with it. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:58, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * As of the current moment, the quoted entries are available in the article. Since they are up, should I update with more.  The only reason why I am asking this is because the Mustafar entries and all of the entries after Kamino are not up, while the rest are.  Is there a reason for this or can I update? DarthMaul431 21:23, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, please add them in. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:28, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)