Talk:Darth Krayt/Archive1

Succession box
Should s/he be put as Dark Lord of the Sith if s/he was the one running the LES? Kuralyov 03:53, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess so. And from what I read on the online supplement, Krayt is male. DarthMaul431 03:55, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Nothing calls him/her a DLOTS, just the Sith Lord who founded the group, so I'd say no until we have more information. As for gender, the article doesn't specify. - Lord Hydronium 03:58, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually it does specify Krayt as male. Ostrander says in the article: "While they're founded upon Sith principles -- he grew his new Sith Order on the planet Korriban -- they are not in fact the same as the other Sith.". DarthMaul431 04:03, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Whoops, I missed that. Good catch. - Lord Hydronium 04:05, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. It's late anyway (at least where I live). DarthMaul431 04:07, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * He "grew" his NSO? Not more clone madness, I hope. Although alchemy, there's a concept I hope gets revisited. Kuralyov 04:13, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Either that or it could just be that he grew its ranks by converting many followers. DarthMaul431 04:15, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I'd like to see who trained Darth Krayt. In fact, I'd like to see the whole line from Palpatine and Vader to the Legacy Era Sith. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 15:33, 14 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Darth Bane
 * Darth Zannah
 * Darth Cognus
 * Darth Millennial (split from order)
 * Darth Vectivus
 * Darth Finn (Ambiguous)
 * Darth (Unknown Apprentice)(Ambiguous)
 * Darth Marka (?) (Ambiguous)
 * Darth Plagueis
 * Darth Sidious
 * Darth Maul
 * Darth Tyranus
 * Darth Vader
 * Lady Lumiya
 * Lord Flint
 * Carnor Jax
 * Vongerella (possibly)
 * Jacen Solo
 * Darth Krayt
 * Darth Maladi
 * Darth Nihl
 * Darth Stryfe
 * Darth Talon
 * Darth Wyyrlok

This all we know of. DarthMalus 17:26, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, you gave me some extras, but thank you. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:42, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Should we remove "with many apprentices" from the box? Making the box back to how it works in the eras of Ragnos, Sadow, Nadd, Kun, Revan, Malak. As his order was no longer the Order of the Sith Lords which has a Rule of Two, thus we dont need the apprentice reminder to state who's who and who's the true master. Darth Kevinmhk 04:47, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Which one is which
I am guessing that Darth Krayt is that big scary guy on the left of the photo.Adventfear
 * I believe so. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:17, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Species?
Does anyone know what species this guy is? I haven't read the Legacy comics. - Bub

He looks like a Yuuzhan Vong from the pictures we have got about him. Maybe, Yuuzhan Vong society changed following their defeat and resettlement on Zonama Sekot and the surrounding planets, with some beginning to accept the technology used by the galaxy. Krayt could also be an exiled Yuuzhan Vong who committed some terrible crime. MyNz 08:52, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think this something they're going to hold out on us. Looks like a Vong to me, though. Lonnyd 10:12, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * However, upon examination of Krayt, he looks like a humanoid wearing Sith armor. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:55, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * its armor, look at the current picture, you can see his skin etc. Jedi Dude
 * That's why I said what I said. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:22, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * So, first off, I'm not saying he IS, but has anyone seen anything explicitly saying he ISN'T Vong? There was that one force sensitive Vong, so it IS possible, and we have all these articles saying that Krayt isn't a Vong.  I think that's just what everyone is hoping, but its still a possibility. Lonnyd 10:55, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Doesn't the latest Insider issue say he was only wearing Vong armor and that he wasn't a Vong? Because I know that a source says he's humanoid and not a Vong. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:43, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Technically, wasn't Onimi Force-sensitive? He must have some control of it to a certain degree (i.e. auras, manipulating his cells as Vergere did, etc.)--Quidon88 23:44, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Nonetheless, Krayt's not a Vong. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:46, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You misunderstand me, I was directing that to Lonnyd's comment of Vongerella being Vongerella, which, I know, is conjectural.--Quidon88 23:51, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I understand you clearly; it's just that you're talking about something that doesn't need to be here. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:56, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

30 years ABY?
So these guys were formed during the Dark Nest AND LOTF and no one knew about them? Stinkywookie 12:09, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * They hid themselves. But notice that Legacy 0 make no mention of the Dark Nest Crisis or LotF. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:12, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I actually do think that they have now messed up the continuity in a big way. So not only did Luke not know that Lumiya was still out there but he also didn't know that there was a whole order out there??  Come on!  Next we are going to learn the Darth Krayt is the reincarnation of the clone of the son of Palpy who was created by Plagius manipulating the mediclorians into making Palpy a woman for a while.  Stinkywookie 12:17, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * This is going to screw things up, just like a video game would. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure they didn't mean 130 ABY and just missed the '1'? VT-16 15:53, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * agreed ^ Jedi Dude
 * I was hoping but I haven't read Legacy yet. Stinkywookie 16:32, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think they meant to have it 30 ABY. Don't ask me why. Either way, we've got some issues with canon here. It says that after the Galactic Alliance retook Coruscant, the Imperial Remnant becomes the Galactic Empire and takes Coruscant again. The thing is, it neglects the Dark Nest Crisis and the Second Corellian Insurrection and makes it sound like it becomes the Empire again right after the Yuuzhan Vong War. None of this makes sense. The timeline of Legacy is, in my opinion, way too close to 40 ABY. Now, if one of the Fels (let's say Jagged) has Fel I, who has Fel II, who has Roan Fel, who has a daughter, it's like they're reproducing way too close together. We're talking less than 100 years here, and people in Star Wars can probably live beyond 100 years. Going by that, Fel I or Fel II would still be in charge in 130 ABY, not Roan Fel. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 16:58, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with you but I think I can answer the Fel question. What if Fel I was Soontir Fel?  He's old.  Then that would leave a bit more breathing room.  Still too close in my opinion.  I get the feeling that this was greenlit without knowing what timeframe LOTF was in. Stinkywookie 17:14, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * If Fel I was Soontir, wouldn't they have said something, though? And why exactly would he become Emperor? No offense to you or anything, it's just I don't see why the Imperials would make Soontir Fel the new Emperor out of all people, including Gilad Pellaeon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * They may be holding back some part of the story. As I have said in the past, maybe the Legacy books will lead into the reborn Empire.  I don't know, I'm just guessing.  The only reason I could think of them making Soontir Emperor is if he brought the Empire of the Hand with him.  Just ideas.  Stinkywookie 17:36, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * no there simply isn;t enough time for the empire to come back, have its onw Jedi force, the actual Jedi to of changed so much, there just isn't enough time for so much change. stupid stupid legacy. its gonna destroy everythin. i know it! Jedi Dude
 * Why? In the space of two hours last year we saw the fall of the Jedi and the transformation of the Republic into the Empire. A lot can happen in a century - Kwenn 17:44, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The Corrilian Rebellion can be used as a set up for the split of the Jedi. Remember, it was a war without fighting that led to this new Empire.  Maybe there was a rift in the Jedi over the conflict. Stinkywookie 17:47, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * While the Second Corellian Insurrection could be the cause of the Imperial Knights, the rest still doesn't make sense. While a lot can happen in a century, it still seems to me like the new Empire rose right after the Yuuzhan Vong War. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:28, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * And in regards to RotS, that was something that went on over a period of several days...and was mastereminded by the greatest Dark Lord in the history of the Sith Order. This whole comic sounds like something that was created by one of the guys over at the Star Wars fanon wiki. -- SFH 21:04, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * If this is the case, then the funny look the authors gave each other in the C3 panel when I asked about the Empire showing up in LotF must have meant that I hit the nail on the head. --GrandAdmiralJello 23:15, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Please don't post in the middle of a discussion. And SFH, I agree with you about that. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

First of all I don't understand all the panic, I think this legacy comics series adds an interesting twist to the rather dull and overly predictable universe that has become star wars. Give it a shot, all the answers will be learned in time. Big spoiler here but to anyone who reads the first book in LOTF, we see Jacen Solo become a Sith Lord at the end, I have a feeling this new sith order That the Illustrious Krayt began, will actually be tied to young Jacen Solo. DarthSion101
 * I wouldn't be surprised if he *was* Jacen Solo. I mean, I don't think that's what's going to happen, but I really wouldn't be surprised.(217.135.132.62 12:04, 9 June 2006 (UTC))
 * If they're following LotF, it's probably Jacen as Darth Krayt, but, as I have said before, they make it sound as if the new Empire rises right after the Yuuzhan Vong War, leaving no time for the Dark Nest Crisis or the Second Corellian Insurrection. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:06, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well we really don't know what's been happening with the Imperial Remnant since The Unifying Force. All we know Imperial-related is that Pellaeon is now Supreme Commander of the Galactic Alliance Defence Force. That doesn't tell us much. For all we know, some of the events they're refering to here (a Fel rising to the throne of the Imperial Remnant, possibly Soontir?, his succession by his son (Jag with Jaina as his queen, since Fel III is FS?) happen in books 2-9 of Legacy of the Force or in subsequent books. And Jacen does fit the bill for Darth Kyayt if you think about it, though... Sith, "born into a Galaxy deeply wounded by civil war and the Yuuzhan Vong invasion", "he came to believe that the Galaxy was fractured and weak, and that a single will was needed to make it whole and strong again" -- sounds like it could be Jacen to me. Top it off that Darth Krayt is wearing Yuuzhan Vong armor and is a human male, and you're one step closer. Maybe he is, maybe he isn't... but I'm intrigued. Remember, just look at our world and how much can happen in a century: Hitler rose and fell within a period of a decade, give or take. - Randy Starkiller
 * Jacen being Krayt could be cool with him being Cade's great(?) uncle. Sets up for a whole new, "I am your uncle."  Interesting....Though I do think they shot themselves in the foot when they made these two events so close.  We will see though. Stinkywookie 12:41, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Randy, you have some excellent points there. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 15:36, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Have we gotten to the bottom of which time is correct, 30 or 130? If its 130 ABY very good points by Randy, if its 30 ABY then I have to say WTF? Stinkywookie 15:40, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The only issue with the date is Darth Krayt's founding of his order. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 15:45, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's a new thoery for everyone to hate: Darth Krayt is.................................wait for it...............................Kyle Katarn.  Where's he been the last ten years anyway?  Thats my only argument for it. Lonnyd 21:00, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What, you mean kind of the way the Jedi thought the Sith were extinct for the better part of a thousand years up until Qui-Gon ran into one on Tatooine? What you're describing as flawed continuity is hardly with out precedence. Furthermore, that not with standing, you are making assumptions with facts not in evidence. The ad copy for the Del Ray Legacy series mentions something about Luke sensing a “growing darkness” or something equally ominous. I’ve seen nothing in the information about the DK Legacy series that categorically states the return of the Sith never became known in Luke’s time. Furthermore, the series writer has explicitly stated on the Force.net message boards that he wants to stay clear of setting things in stone like that, specifically to give the Del Ray writers free reign. Since we can’t say for certain, until the next couple books from Del Ray come out if the Sith didn’t reemerge earlier, and since even if the only remerged in 130 ABY, your argument is moot.--Jad Jermain 02:43, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but where do you get this idea from? I've seen nothing to indicate that the new Empire appears right after the end of NJO. It seems to be something that happened within the life time of Cade Skywalker, so that means it's at very least after the the Second Corellian Insurrection (which also seems to be one of the events that laid the ground work for it).--Jad Jermain 02:54, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * First: Don't post in the middle of a discussion. Second: The way it's worded in Legacy 0, it sounds like the new Empire emerges right after the Yuuzhan Vong War. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:22, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 30ABY? I don't think so. Maybe Krayt was born in 30 ABY. The galaxy was torn apart from civil war ala the situation we see in DN and LoTF, and the Yuuzhan Vong War. Not 30 ABY!
 * It is possible. If it's 30 ABY, they were hidden. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:49, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's some speculation...Darth Krayt is....Cal Omas...lol...j/k
 * You know, if Darth Krayt's Sith Order was formed in 30 ABY, it doesn't necessarily mean that he founded it. His order could very well have been started by Lumiya or Vergere.  This could very well make him Jacen Solo (which appears to be the most common suggestion).
 * No, I think that this order was founded by Krayt. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:48, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Does anyone know what level of canon this is> I'm hoping it's S-Canon, then it technically won't be continuous. Even more hopefull would be N-Canon, then we can totally disregard this horrid storyline. IMO. Darth Balls
 * Unfortunately, you don't make the canon scale. As of now, this is completely canon, and I hope it remains that way. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:17, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that Krayt actually said "Nearly 100 years ago." He didn't give an exact date, so it could be anytime after 30 ABY and before 50 ABY. --Sauron18 11:30, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I take it you're talking about the original topic. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:33, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * A) the "nearly one hundred years" thing is referring to one hundred years before issue #1, not issue #0, between which there is ten years. B)  "Nearly 100 years" does not mean "Exactly 36,500 days."  The founding date of the order could be anywhere from 41 ABY (thus "nearly") to 60 ABY.  Keyword: nearly. Lonnyd 21:06, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it's probably anywhere from 30 ABY to 40 or maybe even 50 ABY. I wouldn't go as far as 60 ABY. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:46, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Not-a-Vong

 * We, since it says he grew up during the Civil War, I guess we can rule out Vong as a species. But wouldn't the armor bite him? -- SFH 00:35, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe it's said somewhere that it's modified armor. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:18, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What's the source on that being voduun crab armor anyway? Lonnyd 08:08, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It says it somewhere. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:43, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well then, I'll go ahead and add "Somewhere" to the sources then. I kid, I kid.  But seriously, I can't find that anywhere.  I think it's an assumption, and I think it should be removed unless someone comes up with an actual source. Lonnyd 20:40, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It says so in Star Wars Insider # 88 =) --Sauron18 06:00, 10 June 2006
 * There you go. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:29, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Better Image

 * In Insider #88 there is a more complete version of the portrait image, should I scan and put it? --Sauron18 06:33, 10 June 2006
 * Does it show most of or his entire body? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:34, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the "portrait-like" image shows basically the end of his horns, and a bir more down (not that much), but it's a different sort of image, I dunno how to explain it, but the one we have right now must've been somehow modified. It's better "resolution" in some ways. There's also another one which is completely new, in which you see him sort of weak, and being "hugged" or something by Wyyrlok. I shall upload them elsewhere and show them. --Sauron18 06:44, 10 June 2006
 * Please do. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:45, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What's with the mismatched eyes? I thought only women in the GFFA had that. -- SFH 23:58, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe the blue is due to his Force lightning. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:00, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. -- SFH 00:01, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope, I'm wrong. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:02, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I re-uploaded the almost identical into the pre-existing image. I think it looks good. As for the other image, here's a scaled down version of it

http://img111.imageshack.us/img111/6384/kw12ik.jpg

--Sauron18 07:04, 10 June 2006 http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/1281/dkt19hb.jpg http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/2420/dkt28gb.jpg
 * "Scaled down"? ;) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:09, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Haha, I have a tendency to scan them to...rather large proportions--Sauron18 07:12, 10 June 2006
 * Hey, now that I think about it, the image looks rather dark. I've created to lighter version, one lighter than the other, here they are, tell me which you think is better and I'll put that one:

--Sauron18 07:28, 10 June 2006
 * I decided to put the less lighter one since the lightest took away some details =)--Sauron18 08:05, 10 June 2006
 * The darker one is better. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 02:01, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Disastrous rule of two?
Under the rule of two, the Sith nearly wiped out all bout a handful of the Jedi, and brought the Galaxy under the control of a Sith Empire, the framework of which survived more then a hundred years after its founder's death to once again become the ruling galactic government (albeit, one not ruled by the Sith, and with out the totalitarian tendencies of Palpatine). Unless someone can come up with a compelling case why this language should stay, I'm removing the word "disastrous." --Jad Jermain 02:30, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The word was used in the new Insider issue, but yeah, you've got a good point. -LtNOWIS 03:03, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * In a way, the rule itself was a disaster, because there were only two Sith at a time; now, with Darth Krayt's order, there are plenty. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:22, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say the RoT was much smarter than the previous set-up. Darth Bane said with so many Sith at once, the Force would be thinned out among them. Hopefully this will happen here as well, so I can geet a good laugh at their utter failure. ;P VT-16 20:07, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * True... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:18, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * He also said that to make everybody equal was to lower the strong to the level of the weak, which was against the nature of the Dark Side. Under the RoT there was always a strong and weak without a group of weaker ones destroying the strong. Stinkywookie 19:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, the weak could destroy the strong if they had a chance. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:27, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Which is why the RoT only had one apprentice so that when the apprentice was able to destroy the Master, it was because he was now stronger. Stinkywookie 19:37, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * And because of that, it was disastrous. If the apprentice killed the Master before his training was complete, the Sith would end because the new Master wouldn't technically be a Sith Master. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I would say the disaster is when the apprentice becomes redeemed and then destroys the master, therefore obliterating the Sith and losing all of the teachings. Even if a weaker apprentice did manage to kill their master, the Sith would go on. Stinkywookie 19:57, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * But they would be weaker and with less knowledge if the new Master hadn't completed his or her training. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:01, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * weaker, but still existing. Stinkywookie 11:59, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yet it would be disastrous if some valuable knowledge was lost when the apprentice killed the Master before his/her training was complete. The point is, with two Sith, the chances of being wiped out would be great. With many, it wouldn't be. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:18, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * We are arguing the same point. lol Stinkywookie 14:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Stronger than Palpatine and Luke
What what what what?! Stronger than the greatest Dark Lord of the Sith and the Grand Master of the New Jedi Order? That had better be a fan guess, or they have seriously crossed the line. -- SFH 18:27, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I dont recall reading that in Legacy #0. Where did this info come from? -- Jacen Solo Jedi Master 14:37, 14 June 2004 (EST)
 * It's fanon. Besides, saying "Jedi 1" is stronger than "Jedi 2" is purely subjective and doesn't belong on an encyclopedia - Kwenn 18:42, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I had already attached the NPOV tag there . I haven't said anything - TopAce 18:43, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The anon apparently thinks Darth Krayt is better than everyone. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:13, 14 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Krayt is strong and all, but I'm pretty sure he'd be beaten by luke,Palp,Kol,or even Yoda. He's powerful but in a v.s fight with these guys? Yeah right.
 * Talk pages are not the places for speculation. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Data file) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:47, 17 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry about that.
 * Just please don't do it again. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:36, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Quote
Do we have a source for that quote? Legacy 0? - Kwenn 11:06, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Either I didn't read it by accident, or there's one very creative anon around here. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it's from Legacy #1 which started shipping to some people yesterday. It's part of a big chunk of intro text from "The Holocron of Darth Krayt" or something like that. At least if the stuff on TFN is accurate.
 * Well, when I get it, I'll confirm it if no one else has by then. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's not that it has shipped earlier, but the DH preview has been released:

http://www.darkhorse.com/profile/preview.php?theid=13-453&p=0

Enjoy :) --Sauron18 12:45, 16 June 2006
 * Thank you. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:50, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Left Eye Is Artificial
Hey, after hearing a few comments that Krayt's left eye was the same as the other but blue because of force lightning, I decided to investigate. So I decided to look at my original scan of the picture, which is, let's say, larger.

Turns out, it's not blue, that is indeed a reflection, but I also found out something else. It's different from the other eye, in both form and color. His left eye is, in truth, Grey and Black, in a very distinct form which leads to the conclusion that it's an artificial eye.

And more than anything, it resembles a Plaeryin Bol. Which would coincide with his fondness for Vong tech (armor, eye).

Here:

http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/4716/ke17hm.jpg

That's the picture from the Insider (which I put as the main pic), but the original size of the eyes (original as in, the 900% that I scan at) --Sauron18 22:01, 18 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Ah, plaeryin bols. Not those things again. -- SFH 03:47, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Or it's just a reflection. --SparqMan 03:48, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No, the eye is also seen with that...format, in another part of the comic which we've the black and white preview (which are at a point where reflections haven't been added yet, too):

http://img207.imageshack.us/img207/3503/leg77iv.jpg

--Sauron18 23:19, 18 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Great. An artificial eye. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:49, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Has it been confirmed that the eye is artificial? If not, then let's just note its color. --SparqMan 20:47, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, I want to see the confirmation on the artificial eye rather than educated guesses. The Ravager 18:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems very likely that is artificial, though. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Succession box spoilers

 * Even though there is already a succession box warning for the Legacy comics at the top of the page, I think another should be put for the Legacy of the Force series. I don't care about reading the Legacy comics spoilers but I am currently halfway through Betrayal.  I was going through Krayt's article and took a glance at the succession box and though I already knew Lumiya was involved in Betrayal, it was whose name was listed with her that I didn't expect to see (not a complete shock since he is on the cover of a book called Betrayal, but still a shock nonetheless).  I'm going to put a second spoiler note on this page. DarthMaul431 03:06, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I would honestly put Krayt as in opposition to Lumiya, since they were both active at the same time. -- SFH 19:48, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, considering no one knew about Krayt, how could they be in opposition? I mean, we don't even know if Krayt knew about Lumiya. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:51, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Legacy #1 Wyyrlok suggests to Krayt that he goes "back to stasis" to help him with his "thing that threatens to take over" him. This implies that he might've been in stasis for some time.... --Sauron18, 15:38 19 June 2006 (CDT)

left eye
If you look at the close ups of Krayt's face to can see that it appears to be Cybernetic. See last page, final panel as an example.
 * Look two sections up. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:08, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

About Krayt's mask/helmet
I suspected something about Krayt's headgear, so I opened by book The Wildlife of Star Wars: A Field Guide and looked up the krayt dragon (p. 40-41). Sure enough, I learned that Krayt's mask bears at least a superficial resemblance to the countenance of the greater krayt dragon. That's flimsy evidence, but it could mean that while the mask may still be of Yuuzhan Vong make like the rest of his armor, or a modified version thereof, it may also be that Krayt deliberately fashioned a mask to resemble the ultimate predator that is his namesake. Just food for thought... Erik Pflueger 04:37, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the Yuuzhan Vong armor looked like a krayt dragon without anyone meaning to make it like that. That could be why he took the name Darth Krayt. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:07, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * True, very true. Erik Pflueger 13:21, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I don't know, it looks a bit different from what a Krayt's would look like. It reminded me of something when seen from the side, a lot, but I can't put my finger on it yet, if I do I'll mention it. --Sauron18 10:27 22 June 2006 (CDT)
 * Aha! I'm unsure if this is what it originally reminded me of, but I saw it and it seemed familiar. His mask looks a bit like the head of a Tuk'ata doesn't it? --Sauron18 11:34 22 June 2006 (CDT)
 * I think I see it. -- SFH 16:37, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You know, I do believe you have a point, Sauron! Erik Pflueger 17:16, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it kind of does. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * So what we're clearly arriving at is, whatever animal it looks like, this is not necessarily a Vong helmet. In fact, in the entire NJO series, I never saw one Vong wearing a helmet (correct me if I'm wrong). Krayt may have the armor down, but the helmet may - just may - be from something else entirely. Why would he need it? Well, I guess we'll learn as we go, but what little I can see of his face doesn't hint at him being that good-looking or healthy (to say nothing about not revealing who he is until they're ready to). Erik Pflueger 20:36, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I have two possible explanations: First: he's similar to Darth Vader, "a sick man in an iron mask". This could make Krayt "a sick man in an animal mask". ;) Second: He's using the "I'm growing weak" trick and armor to deceive everyone around him, including the other Sith. That would make him like Palpatine in a way. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:11, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It just goes to show you, Jack, that when all you have is one-and-a-half comic issues to go by, we can speculate virtually anything. It's not healthy for an encyclopedia that relies on facts before speculation... but it's made Star Wars really, unpredictably interesting again, hasn't it? Erik Pflueger 01:43, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * A little off topic, but my first impression was Krayt got the same disease Mara got -- and if that was the case, who knows how he got it? Maybe the Vong double-cross him through the armor? My second impression to issue #1 is that Legacy still wanna bring certain "cheat death" theme of EP3 to legacy era. Darth Kevinmhk 02:37, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe... But I think the disease is from expanding his lifetime. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I dont have the Insider article which talks about Legacy, so my deduction based only on Legacy #0 & #1, both have not confirmed Krayt's species, thus we duno his normal lifespan, as #1's lines have not directly stated that Krayt surpass his species's normal lifespan, only confirmed that for some reason (likely due to the "thing" he was fighting), he was at least in stasis once. I guess I get the feeling that he catch Mara's disease because how Krayt's describion of "fighting that thing" looks similar to Mara's narration in NJO. Darth Kevinmhk 12:54, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, that still could be... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:56, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The Vong did have helmets and masks and the whole thing. A famous one, Shedao Shai? We don't really know what the mask is, we do know the armor is Vong, but aside from that not much. He could have styled it himself, or something. --Sauron18 10:19 23 June 2006 (CDT)
 * True. There are many possibilities. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:18, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * After Seeing the cover for Legacy #6, I am more sure than ever that his helmet is, indeed, based on a Tuk'ata. --Sauron18 21:44, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Definitely. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:50, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

To the point of identity
I've read this entire page and I've come to a few conclusions, far fetched or not, you be the judges. There were a few quotes that caught my attention and I gave this a lot of thought. This identity of Krayt has been hounding everyone as it is with me. But for some reason, I hate this character more than any Star Wars character ever! Let's get back to the facts: Let's move forward, shall we? It is stated that he was around during 30 ABY. So let's say he's about 100 years old, normal humans can't sustain life for longer than that, yet he was also put in "stasis" as they said to fight "thing that threatens to take over". What is threatening him, a disease, a wound, or visions. There for he could have been over 150 years old or so, but if he was in stasis, age wouldn't be that noticible. Plus the supporting fact: If you think about it, what was the "civil war" they spoke of? The Yuuzhan Vong war? No, that wasn't a civil war, I believe they were referring to the Galactic Civil War. Which would make Krayt around 140 years old, give or take a few years. Now we all know that the Force along with other variables can prolong life. Now who had knowledge of Korriban out there? Most of all Jedi & Sith knowledge was destroyed or kept secret by Palpatine. Jedi found much of this information in their travels about the galaxy and brought it to the Jedi Temple on Yavin 4. Back to the Legacy Betrayal plot, Luke was plagued by something that clouded his visions and soforth, so he couldn't forsee or sense much of what was going on at the time. Thus the Sith reincarnating itself on Korriban wouldn't be detected. With this evidence I present now, I beleive that this information is key: Now it's time for my conclusion of this matter; I beleive thar Darth Krayt is none other than, Luke Skywalker himself. In the first Legacy book, he is plagued by visions of a growing darkness. Perhaps himself, or the growing tension between the galaxy, thus leading him to beleive that th only way to unify the galaxy once more is under his rule(which anyone would beleive is the right way) to bring peace. Therefor taking control of the Empire to ensure nothing like the old one would return. As for the attack on Ossus he very well could have thought that these Jedi would appose this "unification" of the galaxy and had them exterminated. Unknown to us, is that Jacen might return to show Luke the Dark side from his point of view, thus solidifying his fall to the darkside. Finally, his eye, I doubt that any character in the Star Wars galaxy will loose their eye for quite some time, but I will have to wait for the last book of the series to be produced...
 * Form V is known as "Way of the Krayt Dragon". Which I speculate is the way his name was forged. But we all know that Krayt wields two lightsabers.
 * Krayt Dragons originate from Tatooine.
 * "born into a Galaxy deeply wounded by civil war and the Yuuzhan Vong invasion"
 * Luke Skywalker is a very special practitioner of Form V.
 * Luke Skywalker, the Grand Master of the New Jedi Order, displayed his amazing duelling skills with dual blades during the Yuuzhan Vong War, regardless of receiving formal Jar'Kai training or not, Luke proved to be one of the best dual blades duellist in his era.

Sato Stars 04:11, 25 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Amazing theory, I will give you that. :) The touch between Krayt Dragon-Tatooine-Form V-Jar'Kai-CivilWar-Luke link is shocking. I suspected the so-called big bang the Del Rey authors hiding was the death of 1 or more than 1 of the Big 3. Now you suspect Luke became a Dark Lord! Of course, all remain to be seen... Be patient! Darth Kevinmhk 13:36, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * While it does seem to suggest Luke, I have to diagree. Luke knew of the power of the dark side&mdash;he had been the reborn Palpatine's apprentice in 10 ABY. He knew he was going to be a Jedi Master, and he needed to escape the pull of the dark side. I don't think he would do such a thing again. And by the way, Humans can live up to over a hundred&mdash;Pellaeon's probably going to make it past that, and the rogue ARC trooper Spar was technically over a hundred when he died. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:00, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Have we not seen many examples of Jedi falling to the dark side as a form of self-sacrifice to save others? Anakin, perhaps? Luke could very well have seen it as the only way to save the galaxy at the the cost of himself. That seems like the lightside thing to do, wouldn't it? One for many. Sato Stars 19:47, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Please keep message board speculation on message boards. Talk pages are for article discussions. --SparqMan 20:45, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sato Stars, Anakin was a rogue from the beginning, hadn't completely embraced the dark side before his turn to it in 19 BBY, and thought it was the only way to save his wife. Luke wasn't a rogue, had embraced the dark side, and was a Jedi Master and the leader of the New Jedi Order. As the Grand Jedi Master, he would know that falling to the dark side wasn't the only solution. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:41, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess this is all speculation until his mask finally comes off. I'm just saying, I beleive it to be Luke. Sato Stars 21:50, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I still doubt it, because if it was Luke, he would probably have been able to sense that it was Cade Skywalker who had brought back his Master from the edge of death because Cade and Luke are related. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:52, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Very true, so do you see Krayt as being a young Jedi from the NJO? Sato Stars 21:55, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Luke, Mara, Tahiri or Ragnos' Horns, whoever or whatever Krayt could be is best discussed in a forum, rather than a talk page ;) --Sauron18 17:21 25 June 2006 (CDT)
 * I just wanted to get my points across. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:39, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Nah, its none other than Jar Jar Binks. :P -- Riffsyphon1024 07:32, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I read a theory on a forum somewhere that Krayt = A'Sharad Hett. I personally doubt it, but it makes a fair bit of sense, what with Jar'Kai, the connection to Tatooine, age, etc. Even the tattooes look similar.
 * I doubt it as well, but we won't know until the mask comes off, as Sato Stars said. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:25, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe sooner or later someone would propose Krayt was Lord Darth Revan himself! :) Darth Kevinmhk 02:30, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think he's Jerry Stiller. Doug drove him over the deep end. Lonnyd 02:49, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's Palpatine's spirit inside someone's body. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:53, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe it's a shaven, Basic-speaking Chewbacca, having miraculously survived Sernpidal, embittered and angry at being abandoned. It could be an entirely new character, though - there's nothing saying he *has* to be an existing bloke from the murky past. But I suppose that'd make the revelation when he removes his mask a little underwhelming: "HAHAHAHA! Cower before me Cade, for I am - Xorakor Solowalker!" "...Who?"
 * They'll probably reveal his identity when it's revealed to Cade. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:06, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, here's the scoop. Krayt is a ressurected clone of Anakin Solo that's mind was transferred to a Gotal's body. ;) Sato Stars 17:17, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think we should end this before someone starts taking it seriously and adds something in the article... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:19, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Very true, onto the next topic. Sato Stars 03:39, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Someone earlier had mentioned that "humans can live up to a hundred" in the Galaxy. Might I point out that there is an instance of a Force-using human living three hundred years, the Dathomir Witch Rell. Now, I'm not sure of the exact means used by this Witch to live that long, but that's clearly twice as long as Krayt claims to be.

Restarting the Identity Debate
Since the last one kinda degenerated into the silly (enjoyable to read as it was) I wanted to contribute to that discussion seriously, so here's my theory on the true identity of Darth Krayt. I think Krayt is Jacen Solo. 1st as a Son-of-a-Skywalker he's an heir to the whole Tatooine heiratage. 2nd, he's qouted as saying he knows the jedi from old. 3rd, he seems to be taking the Sith in a newer direction, not to dominate, but to unite the galaxy. This seems to make sense when you look at when Jacen fell. Another qoute is basically that the Jedi would not agree with his way to unite the galaxy. Plus he's wearing Vong armor even though he started a war that used them as a scapegoat, that seems to kinda fit with Jacen's relationship with the Yuuzhan Vong. 4th, He fits better than the earlier Luke theory because he probably hasn't been in contact with his family since his fall, hence no knowledge of future Skywalkers. Finally when Krayt needs Wyyrlok's help, he's talking about an affliction that he can only keep on fighting for another decade or two as though it were an immenent threat. This only makes sense if someone has lived a very long time already. So my brief timetable goes 30ABY While Jacen is wandering he winds up on Korriban and plants the seeds for a 'new' philosophy of the Force which teaches that there is no Light/Dark, this is what will be the LES Order. 40ABY Betrayal. The next 100 years are filled with Jacen prolonging his life, cultivating his followers, and forwarding his agenda. I'd look forward any debate.
 * The talk page is not for speculation. This should be taken to a forum elsewhere (and not the Wookieepedia Senate Hall). - Lord Hydronium 10:15, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry
 * And don't just remove the entire topic, either. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:32, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I like the idea of Kraty being Jacen. . .you have alot of evidence to back up such claim, so I can see where you are coming from. However, there is one difference between the two; eye color. Krayt has one yellow eye and one blue eye, while Jacen has two brown eyes. Even if Jacen did fall to the dark side, his eyes wouldn't have HAD to turn yellow, like most sith. There are many sith who retained their originol eye color(Dooku,Sion,etc.) But why would one of his eyes turn blue,and the other yellow? Curious. Warhobbe 04:33, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It's easier to see in the comic, but the right "yellow" eye actually has Sith coloration, and the other is just black and grey, it's artificial and suspected to be a Plaeryin Bol or some other artificial thing. (By Most). But this is speculation. --Sauron18 06:37, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Only time will tell. But it's not Jacen. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:50, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say Jacen being Krayt is a red herring, and his identity is going to be something along the lines of a clone of Jacen who thinks he's genuine. Like poor Anakin Sal-Solo.Demented Smiloid 23:15, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It better not be like that. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:17, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Darth Krayt has to be Kyp Durron. Kyp has a strong afinity to the dark side and was around durring the Yuuzhan Vong War. Luke didn't agree with how he thought the Jedi should be so it has to be him!-User:Hodayc August 11 2006
 * Kyp would likely be dead by now like the others, he turned back to the light as well, why does it have to be him? infact don't answer that. Pointless speculation. Jedi Dude 17:18, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hodayc, please keep speculation off of talk pages. Also, please don't restart old topics. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

What the hike!
I am very confused! I thought the sith where destroyed. How can the sith return when the sith are destroyed? Darth Xarcon 4:15, 5 July 2006 I'm sorry. I was just shocked to hear that the Sith have returned. I will never write anyting like that ever again. Darth Xarcon 4:30, 5 July 2006
 * Always with you what can not be done. The Sith have returned. Cut off the head of a chirru and another will grow in its place - Kwenn 21:18, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Darth Xarcon, this is a place to discuss the article, not the character or story. For these you may go to any of the many starwars forums where these things are being discussed. :) --Sauron18 21:23, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It's also important to read before posting. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:19, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Identity
Come on, Darth Krayt is clearly Nom Anor.
 * No. And keep speculation off of talk pages, no matter what your reason is. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:53, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Rule of Two - Darth Bane's "diktat"?
As far as I know, "diktat" isn't an actual word in the English language, and in fact the only place I've ever heard it used is as the title of the leader of Corellia. Suggest replacing "diktat" in this article with "decree". Larkid 12:00, 13 August 2006 (UTC) diktat    Pronunciation Key  (dk-tät) n.
 * research =

1. A harsh, unilaterally imposed settlement with a defeated party. 2. An authoritative or dogmatic statement or decree.

so yes its a word that applies here so it stays Jedi Dude 12:04, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You beat me to it, Jedi Dude. ;) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:53, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * That's why I asked instead of just changing it. Thanks! Larkid 03:13, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:42, 14 August 2006 (UTC)