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Anakin Being Vader
Maybe we could shorten the "Showdown on Mustafar and aftermath" and "The redemption of Anakin Skywalker" section and add a line with something like "Main Article: Darth Vader" like that... agree? - Chrisyu357 Actually, if it is consensus that Anakin nd DV are different people, we shouldn't have the showdown on Mustafar in this article. Sorry if this has been discussed before, but he became Darth Vader on Coruscant.
 * No. It is fine now. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:20, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * For the love of God, when will this Jibers give up? Admiral J. Nebulax 21:47, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * No, because Skywalker became Darth Vader right after the Duel in the Chancellor's Office. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Bring Balance to the force? Which side?
It said Anakin would bring Balance to the "Force". It never said bring Balance to the "Light Side of the Force". What if Vader kill or converded Luke in ROTJ, the anakin could have brought Balance to the Dark Side of the Force. Am i right? Double D 21:06, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Balance to the Force meant an equal number on both sides. It's wierd, because that doesn't happen. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:09, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

So...when it was just Palpatine, Vader, Luke and Yoda alive, that was Balance? So... Vader brought the force out of Balance? Double D 21:18, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


 * No, more Jedi were still alive as of the Galactic Civil War, which is why I said that there never really was balance. It's confusing, I guess. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:27, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The darkside is the imbalance in the force. the sith bring unbalance to the force. when they were destroyed, balance was brought to the force.
 * No, that's not true. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 22:45, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Wait, What? So, the Sith bring unbalance. If the Force was out of Balance, why did the Jedi think the Sith were exstinked? Double D 01:35, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No, the Sith don't bring unbalance. "Balance" means equal parts on both sides. You can't have a thousand Jedi and two Sith. That's not balance, nor is zero Sith and a handleful of Jedi. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 02:09, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

If the Jedi are so worried about balance, why doesn't Luke, Leia and all the other Jedi of the New Republic just comment Suicide? (I know this is a stupid question) Double D 02:37, 25 March 2006 (UTC) This is Lucas's words, and thus are canon, regardless of what you think balance means or what it's definition. Calm down, emotional outbursts at an imaginary universe is a sign of immaturity
 * HAHAHAHAHA...Much to learn you still have. George Lucas has compared the light and dark sides of the Force to the processes of symbiosis and cancer. Lucas has stated also that Anakin fufills the prophecy when he destroys both himself as Vader and Palpatine. With the Sith gone, balance was brought to the force. you line of thinking is wrong, this is why you can't know the truth. Another example of cognitive dissonance.
 * Well, my definition is the definition of balance... And shut up, anon. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 13:09, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No, but laughing and acting like an asshole is a sign of immaturity. I know that Lucas's words are canon, but I don't mock someone when they get it wrong, especially if they happen to use the actual definition of "balance", whether or not Lucas intended it to be like that. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:28, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * "To bring balance to the Force" means "to destroy the Sith". Lucas said that. - Sikon [ Talk ] 13:11, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Plus, the Jedi make such a big deal about bring balance. I don't think George Lucas would stop making more Star Wars Movie if balance to the Force never came in ROTJ. Double D 02:37, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

But with Palpatine's and Vader's death balance was not brought, there were still dozens of Sith out there (perhapse not full fledged Sith but powerful dark side useres noetheless) ie: Mara Jade and Jerec, dont underestimate either of them. Then my other question is why must the Force be embodiesd by a being to count, there are dozens of planets and artifacts that are strong in either the dark or light sides of the Force adn can use their power at will, ie: Znoma Secot (or however u spell it) then Vijun, Degobah (Yoda's dark side tree, adn the cave) why must teh dark side be embodied by a moving human or aliean to be considered a threat. These places can still corrupt and destory just as much as any Sith Lord ever has.

~DarthVaderwillriseagain
 * First of all: Learn how to spell. Second of all, the Rule of Two made Vader and Palpatine the only Sith. The rest were Dark Jedi. Third of all, many things were embodied by the sides of the Force, but only a living being can use the Force. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:01, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Regardless of what Lucas has said, I agree with you Jack.--DannyBoy7783 21:21, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:49, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe balance was brought when the Great Jedi Purge was almost over, at 0 BBY, when Obi-Wan Kenobi, along with almost every Jedi in the Galaxy, was killed. Then balance was brought when only the Jedi Grand Master Yoda and the Dark Lord of the Sith Palpatine, the Jedi Padawan Luke and the Sith Apprentice Vader, remained.
 * Uh, I'm pretty sure that there were a lot more... Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I've always thought that by fathering Luke and Leia that the force would come into balance . So, not Anakin himself but through Anakin was the force brought into balance .TK867 06:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:16, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Acid Pit
Itsn't it stated somewhere in a book or something that Obi-Wan said he dueled Darth Vadar and somehow got him into an acid pit which is why he wears the Vadar Mask? I remember hearing this a couple of times on my old forum but it's still unclear to me.
 * No. There's no acid pit involved in the duel. Anakin needs the mask because he was practically burned to a crisp all over. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 16:43, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I read that it was a "melting pit". (I read the more than three years ago). Now I know it was no pit. it was the lava river banks rising and fire buring Anakin. Double D 19:19, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, long before RotS, it was said that Anakin fell into a volcano, but I don't remember reading about an acid pit. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:18, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Kanye West
Anakin was referenced in the Kanye West song 'Gone' in the following lines:

But if they ever flip sides like Anakin, You'll sell everything includin the mannequin, They got a new bitch now you Jennifer Aniston, Hold on I'll handle it, don't start panickin, stay calm

Is this suitable for the article?--  Doo Doo  talk 08:11, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, Anakin's been mentioned in a lot of songs, I believe, so maybe we could include a list of them in the Behind the scenes section. But let's see what others think first. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:40, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Commander?

 * I don't know if this is the right place to bring this up (I couldn't figure out how to start a new subject) but it says in Anakin's clone war secion that he was a commander. I was under the impression that that was Luke in the Galactic Civil war, and that the Jedi in the clone wars were all Generals. Can some one change this? Oh, and does anyone know if Anakin was ever on Rhen Var in the clone wars? If so, when? -lord_vader1414
 * Padawans served as Commanders in the Clone Wars; Knights and Masters were Jedi Generals. When Anakin became a Knight, he became a General. And yes, he was on Rhen Var at least twice. That is shown in Star Wars: The Clone Wars. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:42, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks Admiral. Oh, and when can you play as Yoda in Star Wars: The Clone Wars? My system lets me play as the clone trooper Bravo 4 (with codes) but I havent found one for Yoda. Could you tell me what the code is if you have it (I have a gamecube)? Thanks again. -lord_vader1414
 * Well, it should be here on this site on the article. I have it for PS2, but I haven't played it in a while. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 02:00, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright. Oh, hey, I just finished reading Yoda: Dark Rendezvous and Anakin makes an apperance in there, but it's not listed on his page. Do you want to edit this? I'd do it myself, but I don't want to mess something up. Thanks. -lord_vader1414
 * Sure. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

"Master Kenobi, who's this Chosen One that everyone keeps talking about?"
I notice, the Jedi never call Anakin the Chosen One or say the words "Chosen One" when Anakin is around. In TPM, did they tell Anakin he's the Chosen One? Does he know he's the Chosen One, or did he not find that out until on Mustafar when Obi-Wan yelled out "You were the Chosen One!" ? Double D 22:29, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think he knew he was the Chosen One for a while. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:57, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

At which point did he find out? Double D 19:22, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * He probably knew before AotC, but I don't know when exactly. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:39, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Qui-Gon Jinn (in front of Anakin) "He IS the Chosen One, you must see it!"
 * I think Anakin had some idea. (Ulicus 16:04, 19 May 2006 (UTC))

"Afraid of the Dark"
Should the Dooku quote: "Aren't you a little old to be afraid of the dark?" really be in the article when it contradicts G-Level canon? Whilst I prefered the book to the film, the film is what "actually happened", and since Dooku didn't say "Aren't you a little old to be afraid of the dark" in the film, he didn't say it. I'm not that bothered, just pointing it out. (Ulicus 16:08, 19 May 2006 (UTC)) Gah... you... you *must* understand what I'm saying...
 * It can stay. There are many things that are only in the novelizations that are used throughout Wookieepedia. It's canon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:55, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm aware that there are many things from the novelizations used in Wookiepedia. I was also under the impression that such things only used when it didn't contradict something that was actually depicted in the films. That quote does. The films are the highest form of canon. I don't care if it stays or not, like I said - I'd much rather have the novelisations be the 'canon', since they're *better*. Even so, that quote is *not* canon, because Dooku never said it in the film. Scenes from the novel that didn't make it into the film can be considered canon, sure, unless there's something on screen that contradicts it - but when you come up with a situation where one thing happens in the book and another happens in the film, the film takes precedence. Are you about to suggest to me that in instances where a conversation differs from the film in the novel, that the 'novel conversation' can still be considered the 'canon conversation'? (Ulicus 19:46, 21 May 2006 (UTC))
 * That quote is canon, even though it wasn't said in the movie. Just because the novelization has something extra doesn't make it non-canon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:54, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

For example, say that there is a conversation in the novel that goes:

Mr A: Hello, how do you do, I'm Superman Mr B: Why, hello Superman, I'm Batman!

Now, in the film, when we get to the point where this conversation takes place, it goes like this instead:

Mr A: Greetings, how's it going? I'm Superman. Mr B: Lo Superman, I'm Batman!

Which is the 'canon' conversation? It can't be both, and since we're talking about a film series, then the film takes precedence. Now, if the scene with the conversation was cut entirely from the film, but still in the novel, and it still works in the context of the film- then and *only* then, would the first conversation be canon. It's like trying to tell me that Palpatine's seduction of Anakin in the novel is the 'canon' seduction, when he goes about it differently in the film.

I'm not even *asking* you to remove the quote. I'm simply saying that *technically* it shouldn't be there. And it shouldn't. It didn't happen. As it stands, I love the quote, and I prefer the novel, so whatever.(Ulicus 22:21, 22 May 2006 (UTC))
 * It should be there. Why? Because nothing in the movie contradicts it. So what if it wasn't in the movie? If the movie would have said "Aren't you too old to be afraid of the dark?", then the movie quote would be used. Therefore, whether or not it was in the movie, it did happen. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:03, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * "Nothing in the movie contradicts it"? No, aside from the fact that it didn't happen. The only dialog exchanges were the "My powers have doubled/twice the pride" and "I sense much fear in you skywalker, you have hate blah blah". Anakin and Dooku did *not* speak any other words to each other outside of that. NOW, had the film cut away from the lightsaber battle to something else, THEN you could argue that Dooku had said those words while off screen. Since it didn't and since we were treated to the lightsaber battle in full, then you cannot... *unless* you assume that we're not watching the duel in real time, but rather the "highlights", in which case you'd actually have a leg to stand on. Actually, I can go with that explanation. Consider me satisfied.(Ulicus 17:04, 23 May 2006 (UTC))

The ani article
ani

could we either merge the 'ani' article (make an 'ani' section on anakin skywalker) or make the 'ani' article redirect to anakin skywalker?? it would be usefull because if you wanted anakin skywalker in a hurry they could just type in "ani" and they'd get that article

the user liam nesson, (not logged in)
 * I'd say make it a redirect. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:11, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Canonicity of Journal of the Whills quote.
Hi there. Please forgive my ignorance if this is an obvious one, but is it actually appropriate to head off this major article with that Journal of the Whills quote? I mean, is it even actually established that the Journal and this particular quote canonically exist in-universe? If it does and it's all kosher, then please ignore me; but from my understanding many aspects of the whole Whills business is still somewhat apocryphal (Qui-Gon's discovery notwithstanding), or at the very least that specific quotes such as this which derive (I'm pretty positive) from early drafts of A New Hope shouldn't be considered to have definite in-universe validity. Can anyone please help me out on this issue? PressPass
 * As far as the movies *alone* are concerned, then no, its not canon. The Whills are mentioned in the Revenge novelisation though, so they're around - though there's no mention of a journal. It is mentioned in the ANH novelisation however, and that's (I think) considered canon in all the instances that it doesn't actually contradict the film (or prequels) itself. I wouldn't worry about it, I'm pretty sure it'll pop up in the EU at some point - "Son of the Suns" quote and all. If you want to take it out, then I wouldn't mind - but I'm certain that someone would put it back in pretty fast. Doesn't bother me one way or the other.(Ulicus 17:15, 23 May 2006 (UTC))
 * *Side note* Whilst the Journal might be canon, the actual "Son of the Suns" quote from the journal appears in *no* canonical source... unless early ANH drafts *are* canon. I do think it's a little silly that it's written down on the Chosen One page as being the prophesy, since... well, whilst we know that the prophesy *evolved* in Lucas' mind out of the "Son of the Suns" idea, there's no proof that that was the actual prophesy in universe. Ah well. (Ulicus 17:33, 23 May 2006 (UTC))


 * The fact is, whether or not the Journal of the Whills is canonical, that quote is in the Prophecy of the Chosen One, which is canonical. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * If you would acctually LISTEN and READ, you'd find out that during the celebration in Ep. I someone shouts "The Son of Suns!!!" Just go watch the movies again. It's time we ALL go watch them again, it's summertime, we've got time on our hands, let's all go watch it so you can find out the truth. Lord vader1414 20:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)]
 * However, that doesn't mean the quote itself is canon. It just shows that "Son of Suns" equals "Chosen One". Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:30, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Uh, have they *published* the prophesy of the Chosen One? No? Well, then saying that the "Son of the Suns" is 'what the prophesy says', is like saying that Han Solo is still an alien character. In an early script, sure, not necessarily any more. I agree that it's obviously the same concept though, so in that regard, it's good to have the quote to show people "Look, the idea of the 'Chosen One' was around even in 1977"(Ulicus 00:15, 24 May 2006 (UTC)) To your question, a question: Why can you see tie fighters chasing an x-wing in the 'car chase' scene in AotC, when they haven't been invented yet? "Son of the Suns" being shouted in the crowd makes me think "Easter Egg" not "the canon prophesy".(Ulicus 15:10, 26 May 2006 (UTC))
 * Whether you like it or not, the Son of the Suns is a part of the Prophecy of the Chosen One. It may not be published, but it's still canon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Whether I like it or not? I'm completely indifferent. But, if you're going to press the issue, then... well... where is the canon source? I don't think a lone voice in a crowd shouting "The Son of the Suns!" qualifies as hard evidence that that's what's written in down in the prophesy. As far as I'm aware, the prophesy itself has never been published for we non GFFAians to take a look at.(Ulicus 01:50, 25 May 2006 (UTC))
 * Well, someone wouldn't just scream "The Son of the Suns!" unless there was a point to it. That line refers to the Chosen One. Now, that person wouldn't have made it up. Due to that, it appears to have been published in-universe as a part of the prophecy. The prophecy didn't need to be published in real-life if we know that it's in-universe material from a movie, the highest form of canon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe THX-1138 is a real film in-universe then, since a number of people have said that. Just because someone may or may not have said&mdash;for we have no actual proof they say it&mdash;four words, doesn't immediately validate the Journal of the Whills. Besides, why would someone yell "Son of the Suns" on Naboo? The guy wouldn't even know who Anakin was, let alone he's the Chosen One or has anything to do with some obscure Jedi prophecy - Kwenn 11:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Even if someone yells that out (not wanting to fast-forward all the way through my VHS copy of Episode I, I'll take your word for it even though I don't remember it), that doesn't say anything about what it means, or its original context. What's canon is that someone yelled out "Son of the Suns," not that it's from a prophecy, not that it's from the Journal of the Whills, not that it's anything more than a jubilant exclamation from an excited celebrant. jSarek 11:38, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Isn't it in the ANH novelisation prologuse? QuentinGeorge 11:40, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The prologue itself is "From the First Saga, Journal of the Whills". But there are a few discrepancies in that novel, and it's from the narrator's POV anyway, so it doesn't prove it's an IU document - Kwenn 11:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * My question is, why the hell would someone on Naboo yell out "The Son of the Suns!" unless he meant something by it? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:26, 25 May 2006 (UTC)