Wookieepedia:Votes for deletion/Portuguese man-o'-war

Portuguese man-o'-war
See Talk:Portuguese man-o'-war

''He was large for a young adult, although there were Elders of his species twice his size and mass. An alien observer in a different place and time would have pointed out his resemblance to an enormous manta ray-broad and streamlined, powerfully winged, and somehow pleasingly sinister. His sleek dorsal surface was domed high with muscle. Others would have been reminded of the Portuguese man-o'-war, seeing the spectacular ribbons hanging from his ventral side, marveling at the perfect glassy transparency of his body with its hints and flashes of inner color.''

Keep

 * 1) Just to imagine Leland scurrying about trying to retcon this. DarthMRN 14:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) WP:POINT. -- Darth Culator  (Talk)(Kills) 18:31, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) It's in a canon source. :) &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 18:32, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Per Jaymach. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 18:36, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) They're simply warriors from the planet Portug ;-) --Azizlight 22:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Well, OK, but I might make "Portuguese" and "Portugal" locked redirects so you don't get carried away. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 23:44, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Hyperinclusionist Fanwankery!  .  .  .  .  06:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) If it's canon, it should stay. And worse is yet to come when I get the time to peruse my Marvel Star Wars collection ;) Evir Daal 08:03, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) If it's called that in the book, then of course it stays. VT-16 19:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 10) Gonna have to say keep on this one. Sure, that it has an obvious Earthian origin is a bit weird, but so does every single word in the English language. And you know what? The same thing can be said of Basic. -- Ozzel 20:35, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 11) *Objection. The difference here is that unlike dog, bat, etc., this name is tied to a specific Earth location which would obviously not be known IU.--Valin Kenobi 21:18, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 12) **So a chicken, which was named on Earth, is fine. But a Portuguese man-o'-war, which was also named on Earth, is not? Because it has the name of an Earth place in it? Better nominate the Sidi Driss Inn, then. -- Ozzel 22:29, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 13) *** It's not the geography that's a problem, it's the OOU narration. I'll leave my vote at keep, though we might want to include the relevant quote in the article somewhere. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 01:20, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 14) Per above. It's mentioned, it's included. 20:51, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 15) Keep but Rewrite as OOU. See below for reasoning. jSarek 04:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Delete

 * 1) Valin Kenobi 14:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Get rid of it. - JMAS 15:42, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Enochf 18:53, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Cull Tremayne 22:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Delete. Quote makes it clear the comparison is not from a GFFA perspective. jSarek 21:06, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) I would vote keep, but "an alien observer in a different place and time" is clearly breaking the fourth wall. Havac 21:08, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Per fourth wall violation. --  Riffsyphon  1024 21:57, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) This is nonsense. It was clearly an out-of-universe comparison by the author, to give readers an idea of what the Oswaft look like. And I don't think the comparison is really notable enough to merit the rewrite jSarek suggests. Kill it. Red XIV 06:16, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Comments
Could someone either post the relevant text or at least give me a page number so that we can see the exact context? -- Ozzel 17:56, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, can we get an exact quote? It seems like the author is just comparing the two OOU. Cull Tremayne 22:30, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Meditate on this we will. --  Riffsyphon  1024 06:54, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * From the quote it seems just like an OOU comparison. It's from the opening of the book. It's not Lando making the comparison. Cull Tremayne 20:24, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the context. -- Ozzel 20:35, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you Cull! My copy is in a different county. :( --Valin Kenobi 21:22, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. (Of course, Manta droid subfighter, Manta-class assault starfighter, and Manta RamAir might be circumstantial evidence allowing us to keep manta ray....)&mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 22:13, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. Mainly it's the geographic specificity of this item that bothers me so much.--Valin Kenobi 01:18, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It occurs to me that, though the quote clearly shows they're not meant to be a part of the GFFA, having a page briefly discussing the fact that the the earthly Portuguese man-o'-war was compared to the Oswaft, followed by a link to the Wikipedia article on them, would probably be beneficial. jSarek 04:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

We have absolutely no reason to say that the word "Portugese" is NOT an in-universe term, regardless of its real life background. Stop saying that. VT-16 10:05, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Except the quote is pretty clear in establishing that "an alien observer in a different place and time" would make such an observation. No, it's not explicitly referring to the our galaxy, but given its similarity to other text establishing distance between out two places and times (e.g. "another galaxy, another time" out of the ANH novel), and the fact that Portuguese IS definitely a term geographically linked to Earthly regions, it's silly to assume the narrator is referring to an in-universe entity. jSarek 12:36, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * All is see is a mention of aliens and their language including the word "Portugese". From what is written, this could mean anything in the SW universe. As long as Earth is not mentioned, nothing stands out. VT-16 14:59, 10 February 2007 (UTC)