Talk:Mace Windu/Legends

Jedi Guardian?

 * The so-called Guardian-Consular dichotomy is based on RPG material by Wizards of the Coast, which were the basis for the computer games series Knights of the Old Republic. Though I don't automatically disregard Rpg-material when it comes to judging canonicity, one has to understand that the Dungeons&Dragons-inspired approach (character classes) does not translate well into the Star Wars universe. I find no film reference on it whatsoever and no evidence that the so-called guardians are better fighters and worse diplomats. Therefore I edited the passage that basically implied the following: As a Guardian, Windu should not be as good a diplomat as he is. --Gen.d 18:28, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. The Guardian/Consular separation was only a game convention (and the writers of the RPG confirmed this) and was not supposed to be an in-universe separation, until the writes of KOTOR made it that, and came up with the ridiculous lightsaber color scheme to go along with it. Mention it, but also make not of his skills as a diplomat. I suppose we can fudge it and Yoda's fighting skill because they are ultra-high-level. :) QuentinGeorge 22:25, 20 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't even mention that they dubbed him a Guardian. He is a Councillor, a spokesperson, a chair or whatever. All Jedi are "guardians of peace and justice", some (including Mace Windu) counseled the upper echelons of galactic politics. Once we include a title such as Guardian in the encyclopedia, we essentially agree with this unprecedented dichotomy. For my part, I don't. --Gen.d 12:54, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't put any faith into the classes etc. IU wise, it's possible that the practice of classing and saber colours died out before the Yavin era (possibly during the near extinction of the order in Kotor II?). Either way, evidence from the movie seems to show excellent Force ability and excellent saber skill to go hand in hand, rather than the opposite shown in games, etc. I think it all needs to be discounted as game mechanic, just as we wouldn't say, for example, that Malak had 167 hit points at the time of his death. --Fade 22:04, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Biography

 * Can it be that he became a Jedi Master and joined the Council at age 13? I think Episode III contradicts this statement - Obi-Wan says that Anakin was the youngest Jedi ever to join the Council. (Ki-Adi-Mundi not being a Master in Ep.I is contradicted as well...)--Gen.d 15:24, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Mace joined the Council at the age of 28, when Obi-Wan was 13. Anakin was 23 when he joined the council. Note, the text says "before his thirteeth" ie, 30th. QuentinGeorge 21:55, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I stand corrected. So Anakin beats Mace Windu by a couple of years. Ki-Adi Mundi is still an issue, though. --Gen.d 22:35, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
 * For those who care, here's Tasty Taste's timeline for Mace's life, from this thread:
 * -72 birth "year"
 * -58 builds lightsaber
 * -50 fights Gorm the Dissolver
 * <-44 joins the Jedi Council (he's on the Council in the Jedi Apprentice series)
 * -32 Mission to Malastare (Emissaries to Malastare)
 * -22 Battle of Geonosis (Attack of the Clones)
 * -21 Mission to Dantooine
 * -21 Mission to Haruun Kal (Shatterpoint)
 * -19 (Episode III)


 * Ki-Adi was in the process of becoming a Master during TPM, according to Tasty's Blog - Kwenn

Portrayal

 * Is fan speculation about his lightsaber's blade colour encyclopedia-worthy? Especially since he proved not to be a traitor, but a hero? --Gen.d 13:10, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Removed the following passage: This caused much speculation among the fans, some of whom believed his purple blade signified a forthcoming plot twist that would reveal Windu as a Jedi traitor (basing such speculation on the fact that blue and red (light and dark in terms of lightsaber colour) make purple when mixed, suggesting that Mace was both light and dark.)