Talk:Meetra Surik

Rank before the Wars
I think the initial telling of the Exile needs to be changed saying she was a Padawan who went off to war, attaining Knighthood while at war. She had to of reached Knighthood before she went to war, seeing as Mical was initially lined up to be her apprentice (or student at least), and how it was mentioned more than once (or at least, alluded to it) that she trained students, that is not something typically done by Padawans, it is far more common for Jedi who have attained Knighthood already. Despite, the interaction of Vrook and Vandar with Vrook complaining to Vandar about her when she was a Padawan, that likely did not transpire shortly before she went to war, but more than likely when she was still fairly young. Also, what points to her having reached Knighthood before having gone to war actually is something Bastilla mentioned in the first KotOR to Carth giving her reasoning why she did not go to war was 1) she was only a Padawan and 2) her Battle Meditation had not fully developed and 3) she still believed in the Council, no attempt mentioned of either of them trying to sway her decision, faithful to the Council, maybe, but young and impressionable and "strong in the Force" as Padawan even then, quite likely, yet no mention of attempted recruitment, then. The above mentioned as well as all that was mentioned in KotOR2 leads me to believe that Revan and Malak were specifically targeting Jedi Knights and Masters only, before going to war (also there being no mention of Revan or Malak ever trying to recruit Padawans during the Mandalorian Wars (and why would they during that particular war?), only upon the Jedi Civil War did the Padawans conversion begin, or so it seems). So, it just seems more likely she had received Knighthood before, probably not long before, she went to war. Sumerland124 07:51, 23 March 2008 (UTC)- edited because I seriously confused a few things in my head (had been a long while since I last played the KotOR series)Sumerland124 08:29, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Firstly new comments go at the bottom of the page, not the top. Secondly you appear to have difficulty telling real life from a computer game. Youre looking way to deeply into this, it's stated many times in the game that the exile was a padawan when she left for war. Also Malak and Revan did try to recruit bastila as seen in the second game, Malak also tried to recruit Zayne when he was just a padawan. In short your entire argument is completelty flawed. - NerfryTalk 09:46, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

"Firstly" I don't think a personal attack was necessary, I don't see how I am having trouble discerning real life from a computer game, I just tried to rationalize something that came to mind, although it is fairly obvious that was an attempt on your part to debase me for no real reason and try to further belittle my opinion, a bit snide and low class of you in every respect. Perhaps you should cool it a bit, hm? And as I mentioned in my post above, it had been some time since I last played the game, however, I don't recall it stating anywhere that Malak and Revan tried to recruit Bastilla in the second game, merely a scene in Ludo Kresh's tome where she appears there in the Exile's "vision", the Exile pointing out (or at least it being an option) that Bastilla sided with the Council back then, and Malak basically replies saying she came to see things their way in time, but never a part where it actually states that they attempted to recruit Bastilla. But, naturally, I could be mistaken there. And I don't recall the game ever stating "many times" she went to war as a Padawan, the only thing to me that ever alluded she was a Padawan when she went to war is she was wearing the "Padawan robes" during the trial in the game, but then again maybe it did mention it in the game I just missed it. However, with Zayne, no, I can't say that Malak tried recruiting him into the Mandalorian Wars, and even when looking it up it's not even mentioned here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zayne But then again, of course, I could be wrong, I'm always open to that possibility.Sumerland124 12:47, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Calm down guys. Nerfry, ad hominem attacks are entirely unneccessary and counterproductive; and if you care so little about the mythos one wonders why you bothered to reply at all.
 * In any case, I disagree with the argument. My interpretation is that the Jedi Exile was a Padawan close to promotion at the outbreak of the Mandalorian Wars, and that Mical's hope of being trained by her was at the time just wishful thinking. I don't think it is to any degree unusual for a Padawan to teach younglings the basics of the Force; as I guess it's akin to a high school student teaching preschoolers how to write their name. The Jedi Exile could be compared to an Episode I Obi-Wan Kenobi: more than old enough for the rank of Jedi Knight and wise enough to take a Padawan upon her promotion, but interrupted by major galactic events.
 * Furthermore, the Exile was more mature and outgoing than Bastila; and as one of Revan's most vocal supporters would certainly not have been passed over by Revan and Malak. The Revanchists recruited any and all Jedi who would listen, including Padawans (e.g.Zez-Kai Ell's Padawan); though obviously these younger Jedi were more likely to decline (as both Bastila and Zayne did) as many likely felt that they were neither experienced nor independent enough to join the war effort. --Kessel 17:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Ahh, that's true, I hadn't thought of that, and I forgot about Zez-Kai Ell's Padawan as well. Bah, that's what happens when you get out of touch with things. But that clarifies her situation going to war as a Padawan a lot better for me, thanks. ^.^ Initially, it just didn't make much sense to me, but I didn't put as much perspective into it as I originally thought, I had. XD Anyhoo', thanks, Kessel. Sumerland124 00:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem. :) I just wish they hadn't had to cut so much of Mical's (and everyone else's...) story. The storyline is confusing enough as it is. ^_^ --Kessel 13:24, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Possible mention?
Could someone tell us about this possible mention in Galactic Republic Defense Ministry Daily Brief KD0092? And if it is highly probable, than should she be included at the Individuals section of the respective daily brief's article? Domlith 09:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "Jedi liaison now confirms one of the Knights on regular assignment on Serroco before the devastation has reported back, having escaped on one of the three military vessels that was able to make light speed. Reports indicate others were present, and one or more may have been part of the reported prisoner transfer to the Taris sector." --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 18:35, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Exile vs Traya
Would this picture work for the duel between the Exile and Traya? The Exile is looking down, so you can't see her head as much. Drewton  01:48, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No, we're not allowed to specify what color robes or lightsaber the exile had. -MPK 17:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In the infobox picture, she has a blue lightsaber, and in 'The Exile submits to the Council's judgment', she has Jedi robes. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 18:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * True, but we're not supposed to think about that. -MPK 18:57, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Why not use the Peragus spacesuit? No gender, no lightsaber, no robes. And it's a constant color and carries a natural pose. DAWUSS 00:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And I forgot, no face! DAWUSS 00:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The fact that you even mentioned gender throws that idea out and makes your agenda quite clear. Now where is that essay about those who can't accept Exile as female...? -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 00:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * IIRC you can't tell what gender the Exile is under that space uniform - It doesn't promote either one. But that's besides the point. I mentioned all that because it's a definitive outfit of the Exile, as all 4 possible outcomes has an Exile in a space suit where no characteristics of the Exile can be seen - including face and gender (unless you download some space suit mod or whatever, but that's another story entirely). But I had no intention of trying to promote one gender over another in this instance. DAWUSS 02:17, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, you are. By hiding the gender, you make it seem like it's still up in the air and for debate. Guess what. It isn't. The face is hidden in the current one and that is enough.-- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 03:48, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * A spacesuit picture *might* work for the article, but certainly not for the infobox if that's what you mean. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 22:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I suppose you could be right. Everything about that picture is awkward, though. And like I mentioned, that picture also takes assumptions into consideration (lightsaber, robes, yadda yadda yadda). You don't get to choose your spacesuit. On a slight tangent, do we have to have an image for this article? DAWUSS 23:34, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's awkward, but it works. It's very likely that the Exile did have Jedi robes at least one point because she was a Jedi.  The lightsaber colour is more of an assumption; if the picture was ever changed I think a silver lightsaber might work better because it's colourless.  And in a spacesuit as an infobox picture...would be laughable.  It would be like using this picture for Zayne Carrick's infobox instead of a picture that merely hides his head.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 23:43, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) No lightsaber = one less assumption to be made and 2) The Exile is (as of now) a faceless character, comparing her with Zayne is comparing apples and watermelons. And also, I'm sure that Hrakert Rift survivor dude who gets eaten by the firaxa has that same outfit (recolored) in his infobox. Yeah, sure there are worse images (that are more canonically correct) to choose from, like those BINK movies of the Ebon Hawk that barely reveal two people sitting in the cockpit (K1 was notorious for that, but there are a couple moments of it in K2). Yeah, the current image works, but IMO my suggestion is better (otherwise I wouldn't be bringing it up) DAWUSS 02:27, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The angle the Exile holds the lightsaber makes it look like she's just covering where her face would be. She's faceless in the current picture; her head is completely gone.  The only appearance there is for the Hrakert Rift survivor is of him in a spacesuit; therefore there isn't any other costume we could use for him.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 02:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * (Undent for readability) For the record, the lightsabre colour is the default one if you don't choose a colour. This is covered in the second talk page archive. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 12:20, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Just to throw in my opinion, I think that A). More than one source should be used to confirm the Exiles gender and B). there is nothing wrong with the spacesuit - it leaves it up to whatever a player chooses, which is the entire point of the game. I do not agree that the Exile should be strictly female and visa versa for Revan. It should be ambiguous, because thats how the game is played. However, if we must say Exile is female, then surely a better picture than the god awful and obvious photo edit is in order? If cannon dictates 'she' is light side, then we should have a pic of her in light side robes, not showing her face, light-saber deactivated. kenny 17:43, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The Exile is female. There doesn't need to be more than one source to confirm something. Maybe it should be ambiguous, but that's not how it is in canon. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 19:42, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * When you get caught on Telos you have robes given to you, I don't know if they are always the same. But yeah, thought I should mention that - Kingpin13Cantina Battle Ground 19:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

man or woman
im a little confused when you when you see the movie of sion talking about the death of the jedi intro he says the last jedi is a man i think he says and if he choses the way of the dark side.. is the exile a man or woman?
 * A woman, as it says at the top of the page. It was just a trailer.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 21:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, and the trailer was made a long time before the female Exile was made canon. Just ignore it. ;) --Kessel 16:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

How exactly can it be canon?86.29.41.154 12:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Per The New Essential Guide to Droids. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 12:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Jedi Exile Novel
Im sorry that i haven't been able to post anything lately, but my house caught on fire and we lost just about everything, including my computer and the entire novel. Anyways ive started over, and just a reminder, im making the exile a female sith. But the big thing is how contraversial she is. i wont spoil the suprise, however, just in case i get lucky and get it approved. and yes i know the odds of that are slim, but when you want somthing bad enough, then youve got to go for it. i will say this though.... shes still a heroine. To the entire galaxy.
 * That's sad that you lost your house. If you want to talk about a fan-fiction story though you should probably do it on the Star Wars Fanon Wiki, which is still a great place to have your work commented on.  And good luck with it if by approved you mean published.  Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 02:23, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe you could provide a link to the story when you are done? I am interested. And please, sign your posts.--Jedi Kasra 04:37, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * My sympathies as well. Keep in mind, however, that Wookieepedia is not a place for fan creations (fanon). If LFL does approve something you write and it becomes canon, then by all means it will be included here for it will be officially published and disseminated. Otherwise, you can feel free to post the information on the Star Wars Fanon Wiki as Drewton suggested. Just giving you a heads up. Also, please try to remember to sign your messages. Thanks!  Master Aban Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 04:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

im sorry, im not exactly shore how to sigh my posts. if you tell me, i promise this will be the last time i don't.
 * Use four tildes (~). Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 22:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

ok well, this really isnt the place to discus this. i just opened up an accout. if you wish to critize, or if your interested, talk about it on my user talk page.HK-47 rebuilt 17:15, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Jedi Guardian
In the game, Kavar tells you no matter what Jedi class you are that he tried to convince you to become a Guardian. TYhsi should be mentioned in the BTS section that she might have been a Sentinel or a Consular during the Mandie Wars.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 15:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually. The alternative line for Jedi Guardians is: And you even became a Guardian. I had hoped I could train you to eventually replace me. You had such potential. While the other line is But I considered you a friend. I even tried to convince you to become a Jedi Guardian. We could've used someone like you. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 17:01, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Except I was playing as a Guardian/Weapon Master, and he still said that he tried to convince her to become one.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 18:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a bug then. We can mention it. I'll do a run through of the scene just to be sure. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 19:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have the X-box version of the game? Because I play the Xbox version, (don't have a high-enough grade computer) and that might be why it has the bug. But you're right, it's in the files.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 19:20, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Jedi Exile and the "Lost Jedi"
I personally think that all of them save Visas Marr should be taken off the "Apprentices" section of her infobox, the NEC, the Chronicles, the EGTTF, none of them say anything about them, and Visas is really the only one that we can say for sure apprenticed herself to the Exile.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 18:51, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about Atton, Bao-Dur, Brianna or Mical but Mira is specifically stated in the Ultimate Visual Guide to have learned to harness the Force. Though I would imagine those guys fall under "Assumption of 100% completion of game." -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 04:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Silly Wizards
Wizards of the Coasts has made life more fun for all of us with their new Miniatures preview for Captain Panaka and Echani Handmaiden: link here. Notice anything? How about:
 * "Their physical appearance is strikingly similar, except for the Last Handmaiden, Brianna, who had a different mother than her sisters. She eventually joined the Jedi Exile in her pursuit of the Sith Lords, which ultimately turned her against her sisters and Jedi Master Atris."

Boo, Wizards! Brianna did NOT join the Exile in HER pursuit of the Sith Lords. Interestingly, this shouldn't cause any greater gender confusion, since Wizards was adept enough to remember the Exile was female. However, it seems they may have never played KOTOR 2. -BaronGrackle 16:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually...Mr. Chee has said that they might recon it so that she did. Guess that makes Brianna's storyline canon. Though until we get more information, we can't assume that everything that happened in the male Exile storyline occurred in the female one. Time for a nice mod which makes it so you can have both her and Mical...for a truly canonical game. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 16:16, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Why is it Always Lightside With Lucasarts?
I don't really have a problem with exile being female but I think that the story would be much better if it was canon that she/he whatever took the dark path. But I know, I know Lucasarts doesn't want their characters to be more human more realistic so they always choose the path of the light for their characters. All in all if Lucasarts had not rushed it's production KOTOR 2 would have been much better and with less plot holes leaving room for a more flexible and believable story.AdmiralXahn 18:34, 7 August 2008 (UTC)AdmiralXahn
 * This isn't the place to talk about it. Wookieepedia is for discussing changes to the article in question, not the character. For discussion see the Force.net message board. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 18:56, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Brianna as an apprentice
officially confirms that Brinna travelled with the Exile and since everything (that fits the LS storyline) in TSL is canon she should officially be considered the Exile's apprentice. Right?