Talk:Pistoeka sabotage droid/Legends

Updating page
I thought I would try to add more to the Buzz Droid page and try to flush out some details, using sources from Star Wars books and web sites, As for the creator of the Buzz Droid Colla Designs, Phlac-Arphocc Automata Industries it is based on the fact that the Tri-Droids (who deploy the Buzz Droids) are build by them as well, any help will not be turned away :-) --sithlord123 15:50, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Is there any evidence that they are conceptually related to Grutchins, who appeared in material released just a few years earlier?
 * My thoughts exactly. HavetStorm 15:44, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, that was posted a long time ago. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:23, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

History section
"Artoo, hit the buzz droid's center eye." —Obi-Wan Kenobi to R2-D2

Shouldn't this be in the Design and function section? Isn't that where the weakness in the droid's center eye should be mentioned?

During the Second Battle of Coruscant, Obi-Wan Kenobi's Jedi interceptor was covered          in a swarm of buzz droids, which destroyed his astromech droid, R4-P17. His former Padawan, Jedi Knight Anakin Skywalker, tried to save him by blasting the buzz droids off, which only resulted in the loss of most of Obi-Wan's left wing. Anakin then tried to scrape the droids off, which destroyed most of the buzz droids still active. However, a lone buzz droid came over to Anakin's interceptor. His astromech, R2-D2, destroyed the buzz droid by hitting it in its central eye with an electric pike. The buzz droid bounced over Anakin's fighter and was jetted away when it fell behind the engines.

Is that an important part of the buzz droid's history? Should that be mentioned in the article? Sounds more like a partial summary of Episode 3. Emperor  Maakurder   's comlink  14:54, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * On the quote: No, it's fine where it is. On the section itself: It's the most famous battle in which they were used, at least in the OOU Star Wars timeline. So, to sum both up: They're fine. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 15:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

One problem...
It says somewhere that they communicated via chattering. Well, er, there is no sound in space, their main area of operations. Yes, I know space battles in SW are the noisest things imaginable, and yes, sound in space is shown in the films for dramatic effect, but still. Perhaps they communicate wirelessly and the chattering is used to represent this. I don't know. Can someone help? Unit 8311 13:38, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Eh, um... Maybe they only do that inside an atmosphere... and use some other means to communicate in space? HavetStorm 21:24, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps it's an internal form of chattering that they communicate wirelessly. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:25, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Grutchins
Could it be said that these are a mechanical equivalent of Grutchins? Or Grutchins an organic equivalent of Buzz droids... YIIMM 21:37, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Option 2. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:17, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

One thing that always bothers me
Why do Obi-Wan, Anakin, and R2 go to all of the trouble of manually (i.e. with their ships/R2) removing/destroying the buzz droids, when all they would have to do is use the Force to push them away/destroy them? Adamwankenobi 00:00, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Because they're too busy using the Force to keep their ships from hitting something while flying in a straight line for all that time :)  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 00:03, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * LOL! True. Adamwankenobi 00:07, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I had the same idea when seeing Ep3 for the first time. But read Force Push! It is working in atmosphere only! Man, that must be bothersome for a Jedi. muuaahaahaaa-cough-cough-haahaa.--TeakHoken91.7.45.6 18:37, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't restart old topics. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 00:04, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * ? Old topic? Please explain.--TeakHoken91.7.8.78 08:35, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's over a month old. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 14:41, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I had the ultimate answer to the posed question. And I shouldn't have given my information to the public because the topic is older than a few days? Do you really mean that?--TeakHoken91.7.42.197 18:01, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The "ultimate answer"? Yeah, right. Now you're just making this topic pointless. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 19:14, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I know that you cannot read old entries, so I will quote the main statements for you: Adamwankenobi:"...Why do [they] go to all of the trouble... when all they would have to do is use the Force to push them away...?" TeakHoken: "...read Force Push! It is working in atmosphere only!". And Jack, I helped this discussion, YOU didn't. What you did really doesn't help a wiki. It is just childish.--TeakHoken91.7.35.5 21:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Look who's talking, Mr. Spacetroopers Go Into Space Just To Take A Dump. I'm done numerous things to improve this wiki. Now, you answered Adamwankenobi's question, so enough. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:12, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks for an answer... Adamwankenobi 23:25, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome, Adamwankenobi. I am just asking myself why Jack never told me what I should have done instead of answering you. And I will never understand why it is so bad to make a joke about spacetroopers. What is a communication without some little joke here and there? I think it was pretty easy to see that I never really assumed this thing about spacepoopers (retroactive joke warning). I know that you are doing very much for Wookieepedia, Jack. But why don't you focus on using your SW knowledge for improving articles? Instead you are advising people of voidnesses.
 * To the real topic: My answer was not the ultimate one. (Yes, I can say that I made a mistake.) Anakin and Obi-Wan's could have used force grip, for example. At Hoth, Vader once killed Admiral Ozzel via Intercom with the Force. Jedi can levitate things, too. On Dagobah, Luke let R2D2 fly. So it is possible to move droids with the force. And in this case, it seemed that the air had no active role in the process, unlike it is the case when one uses Force Push. And why couldn't Anakin simply blast them with his starfighter cannons? Jedi can reflect blaster bolts with a lightsaber, BLIND! Luke hit a 2-meter target with a proton torpedo at much higher speed, BLIND! Let the force flow through your body and everything can be done! Or did Obi-Wan's starfighter shields protect the sabotage droid? Well, Anakin could have told Obi-Wan to shut them off for he can blast the droid away. And the droid on Anakins starfighter was electrified by R2D2, and seemed not to be protected from this by any shield.
 * And sure there is another option: The screenplay is dumb. (very personal opinion warning, Lucas gushers please don't read further) I think the whole beginning of EP3 is irritating. First the powerlessness against the sabotage droids. And after landing in grievous' ship the battle droids not acting like BATTLE droids multiple times. They always tell the Jedi to surrender, and then they wait for the Jedi to cut themselves (the droids) in half. I know it is a trap, set for the Jedi. But why make the trap that obvious plus waste droids? I mean - how shall droids capture Jedi when they (the droids) are not allowed to shoot? And why send pistoeka sabotage droids against the Jedi who shall go into the trap if there is a good chance that the Jedi will loose (as they are obviously a little bit over-challenged by the droid attack) and never come far enough to activate the trap? I don't understand the events of EP3's beginning. You can call me dumb - or call the screenplay dumb.--TeakHoken91.7.29.44 16:46, 15 June 2007 (UTC)


 * "But why don't you focus on using your SW knowledge for improving articles?" Shut up, Teak. You know damn well that I do that. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 17:03, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * In this particular discussion, you didn't. That's a fact. If you can not add anything significant to this topic, then please don't post. I said that I know that you have done much for wookieepedia. Didn't I? Didn't I? And apart from that: general reputation doesn't save you from acting wrong. Example: Anakin Skywalker saved the galaxy multiple times. But I wouldn't celebrate him after killing Obi-Wan. If you really want to impress me, then please, double please, tell me what I should have done instead of answering Adamwankenobi's question. If you cannot, I can't force you. In fact, nobody forced you to tell me that I made a mistake, but not to tell me how I could have made it better. @all others: Sorry that I have to do this here. But I finally want to get done with this.--TeakHoken91.7.44.3 12:56, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Again, shut up. You're not doing anything to improve this discussion any more. Stop replying to it. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 13:35, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Second image.
Any chance someone could upload a better version of the second image, with the buzz droids more visible? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 23:31, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You mean that picture of the buzz droids crawling on Obi-Wan's starfighter? I would just leave it--if somebody cropped the image just to show the buzz droids, it'd come out a pixellated mess. Unit 8311 07:02, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Even if someone could simply get a picture of a few seconds before or after that, where more buzz droids can be seen. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 14:46, 18 June 2007 (UTC)