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Nelvaanian tongue
"He was also a great teacher and mentor, and taught Obi-Wan the Nelvaanian tongue on their journeys across the galaxy, as well as others."

- Is this really true? I got the impression that Obi-Wan understood their toungue because of all his traveling with Qui-Gon he was able to tie feelings to the meaning of the words. Not truly translate just the Nelvaanian tongue. Is there anything in the CW Commentary about this? -GMo 00:49, 18 April 2007 (UTC)\

What IS the Nalvaanian tongue? is it canon? Or is it fanon?

About the Sections I added...
I was just wondering if anyone disapproves of the changes I made to sections regarding the Battle of Naboo. If anyone does not approve please tell and I'll put it back to its original state.

OxfordScholar09 20:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Inmortal?
At the end of Revenge of the Sith (The movie) Yoda tell Obiwan that his old master, Qui Gon have learned the skill of Inmortal. This is not despribed in the artikle. How can that be? Did he learn to cheat death like Palpatine or? gram123 00:14, 5 June 2006 (ECT) "After falling at the hands of Darth Maul on Naboo, Qui-Gon continued to have a large impact on the future of the Jedi. Having long ago discovered a way to maintain his identity after death from a "Shaman of the Whills", Qui-Gon attempted unsuccessfully to prevent Anakin's slaughter of the Sandpeople that had killed his mother. He was also known to have often communicated with Yoda through the Force, sometimes in a subtle way.
 * From the article:

Yoda, having discovered Qui-Gon's ability, proclaimed himself Qui-Gon's pupil. The skill was achieved through extreme compassion, a rejection of selfishness and personal attachment to the point that the physical self fades away, but the consciousness remains as one with the Force. He thus defied the conventional and transcended the comtemporary view of the Force as black and white. There were no good or bad actions—only those that benefited the Force.

Yoda learned the technique, and passed this secret on to Obi-Wan Kenobi, who would also train under Qui-Gon Jinn, giving him the ability to aid Luke Skywalker where it would otherwise have been impossible. Thus even in death, Qui-Gon's rebellious nature served the greater good." - Kwenn 22:17, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Homeworld
It was said in JA #3 that his home planet contained to River of Light; that's where he found the force sensitave river stone, that he gave to Obi-Wan. In Legacy of the Jedi, at the end, Lorian Nod sees a corridor with stones, veined with red and green. that would identify the same type of stone as the force sensitave river stone. if it was the same type, that would explain how Lorian suddenly felt and could control the Force after not being able to access it for so many years. Unless the stone was imported, unlikley for a small hunting lodge hotel, that could mean the stone came from that planet, Nul, and that could mean Qui-Gon's home planet is Nul!

-Storyshark2005@gmail.com 64.194.234.189 01:01, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

I thought he was from Malastare because of his quote from Episode I. He seemed to be familiar with the place, and I didn't see anything in this article (after a brief skimming) about him visiting there, though I could check again.C3PO the Dragon Slayer 22:05, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Just because the stones were veined with colors doesn't mean they are the same type of stone Qui-Gon had. Also, Lorian was on the verge of death, so his seeing the colors (when he himself acknowledged he hadn't seen them before) might have been a result of that. I can't know for sure, of course, as I've never died. :)
 * Also, the rock Qui-Gon gave Obi-Wan was more like a pebble, and it was black veined with red, not grey veined with many colors. --Crazy Jedi Girl

Kwenn
I'm sorry. YIIMM 22:00, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Point was? - Kwenn 22:02, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

"He was also a master of disguises, having worn a moisture farmer's poncho to blend with the Mos Espa locals." Sorry but, LMAO, wearing a poncho over your Jedi robes makes you a "master of disguise"? Thanks for the laugh, whoever that was. I kinda needed that. :) --Beeurd 00:15, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * There are some other wacky items in this article. If I had read more of the TPM-era books, I would offer to clean this one up, but it's out of my league. Although from a layman's view, I don't feel that "abilities" is a good section to have -- he isn't a video game character all the time. --SparqMan 21:01, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
 * That actually wasn't a wacky item. The information appeared in an action figure booklet. --24.253.120.206 08:36, 25 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Inclusion in an action figure booklet hardly qualifies an item as non-wacky. Those things can be a little over the top. They're certainly not intended to be encyclopedic. – Aidje talk 04:20, 26 May 2005 (UTC)

Qui-Gon Jinn's Poncho
Can the poncho worn by Qui-Gon in ep1 be seen in Ben's hut?
 * Doubt it. It wouldn't make much sense. Why would Obi-wan keep his master's poncho disguise with him for 30+ years . . . ?Wstonefi 03:08, 10 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Its impossible.

''As revealed in The Art of Star Wars, Episode I - The Phantom Menace, Lucas only conceived Qui-Gon's character during pre-production. This is shown by concept art where Obi-Wan is shown alone in the Federation ship and while meeting Jar Jar. Even when Qui-Gon was conceived, Lucas toyed with making him the younger Jedi, as shown in concept art depicting Obi-Wan as an old man.''


 * But he could have based Qui-Gon's poncho on the one in Obi-Wans hut, so it's not impossible. CC 0019 10:12, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

Improvements
Fade's work is a vast improvement. I think we can at least clear the DOOM tag. I have bolded a few sentances that either read awkwardly, could use further explanation or need an in-line reference (as in it sounds like an IU quotation that needs attribution). You can see the bolded sections on the temp page. Also, a list of sources is required. --SparqMan 21:57, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

The correct quote is as follows: "Do not deify the council master! Not again!" I would appreciate no more "correcting" of this quote. If you don't agree that this is accurate watch The Phantom Menace with subtitles on.
 * I'm sorry, that made me laugh. He didn't "deify" them (revere them as gods). Lonnyd 11:45, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

if that's why it keeps getting removed he's right...its defy...not 'deify' - jediknighteagle

Japanese
I have heard that his name is japanese and means 'man who serves the Force'. Who can confirm this? MoffRebus 20:32, 9 Oct 2005 (UTC) talk 08:13, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * My roommate from Japan says that 'Jinn' sounds the same as the Japanese word for 'person.' He says that the rest of it isn't Japanese, but proposes that it may be Chinese (which he wouldn't know). – Aidje talk 02:33, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I guess Qui is for Qi or Chi, the equivalent of the Force. Now to know about Gon :) BTW could you ask him how someone could translate 'Person who serves the Qi' in Japanese? MoffRebus 11:16, 18 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * A jinn is a spirit that reveals one's true nature. There was a great article somewhere on jinns that fit perfectly with what we know of Qui-Gon's role post-TPM, but I can't seem to find it now - Kwenn
 * Well, jinn=genie=jinni=jinnee=djinni=djinny, it that's what you mean. I'll ask my roommate about your last question, MoffRebus. Tomorrow, though. It 2:12 a.m. right now, so he's asleep (he's the smart one). – Aidje
 * Qi is pronounced "Key" not "Kwai," and a djinn is just a male genie, a trickster spirit, i suppose one could "reveal one's true nature," but that's a stretch. Lonnyd 11:48, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The Japanese roomate was referring to 人 (jin, pronounced like 'gene') which is used most frequently in reference to what country a person is from 'アメリカ人' (Amerika-jin) means American. jin/hito=person, like you said. Now if it were 'Jiin' '寺院' it would mean temple... As for Chinese, let me check the subtitles to see how it was translated...OK, just checked. They use 金('jin' symbol for wealth) 魁('kui' meaning leader) 剛 ('gang' meaning tough/strong), so...there you have it =D Cariel 19:29, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * "Qui-Gon" is very similar to "Qi Gong", which is a Japanese practice of channeling and gathering energy (Qi or Chi), such as one would be using the Force. "Jin" is the Japanese word for a person.  129.42.208.182 21:58, 28 April 2008 (UTC) – Murdoctor
 * Actually, I think that Qui Gong comes rather from China and was later also adopted in Japan. The same Characters 気功 are used there, but in Japanese they are pronounced as "kikou". --219.110.66.103 12:37, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Responding to the person who reckons his name is said Key, that is wrong, because in the movie Obi Wan calls him "Kwai-Gon" all the time. Don't worry, before I read the movie I read Padme Amidala's diary which I got out of the very limited Star Wars section in the school library and I said he was "Chi-Gong". According to reliable sources, Qui-Gon is a pun on Qi-Gong, a Chinese power similar to The Force.

Lightsabers?
Can anyone give me a source for the object that is alleged to be Qui-Gon's "first" lightsaber in this article? It seems a little dubious to me. If it is, canon, can someone give a source? -Angel Blue 451 22:21, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * It's from thelightsaber.com, and is apparently based on the sabre you can see in the 'Young Dooku' picture. Still, the image of the sabre itself is non-canon (made by the owner of the site) - Kwenn

The saber in the "Young Dooku" picture doesn't look that different from the TPM saber. I was under the impression that the contents of thelightsaber.com do not represent any degree of canon, EU or otherwise. I didn't think non-canon was represented here without being designated as such, but I'm fairly new here, so I will defer to the judgment of those with more experience. - Angel Blue 451 03:43, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Thelightsaber.com does adhere to canon for the most part, but also includes a fair few fan-speculations and fan-made creations. I think it's best to remove this 'first sabre', since there doesn't appear to be a source for it, and isn't an official image anyway - Kwenn

I agree. Should I remove it? - Angel Blue 451 23:44, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * This lightsaber's entry on thelightsaber.com says "Saber Source: Custom Creation". I'd say delete. - Sikon [ Talk ] 08:02, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)

New picture for consideration
I have uploaded an image that I feel would be a good addition to this article. I've been working on this with the preview function for a while, but I wanted for everyone else to have a say in how it is included. Here is the pic, along with a possible caption:



Any thoughts? - Angel Blue 451 05:22, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It's a good one. Shows him in the heat of battle, almost as if he could win it. -- Riffsyphon1024 05:50, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree with Riff. I'll crop the edges and it'll be perfect. --Master Starkeiller 13:39, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Here: [[Image:Jinn Fights Maul.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Qui-Gon battles the [[Sith Lord]] Darth Maul]]


 * It looks excellent. Now, where do we place it? (apologies for my absence by the way, explanation is on my talk page). - Angel Blue 451 03:39, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Would you prefer this one:

? --Master Starkeiller 14:55, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * That last picture is excellent, i think it should also be put into Darth Maul's article as well. Jasca Ducato 15:57, 30 January 2006 (UTC)

Reorganizing
I've noticed that most of what is under "Early life" should be moved to a Personality section. I've done some writing on his apprenticeship with Dooku and his training with Xanatos. I'm going to add it in and make the moves that I mentioned. Just figured I'd let you all know my reasoning before I make any drastic changes. DarthMaul431 20:24, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Main Image
Another rousing game of is the image good enough.--Redemption 23:28, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't like it because the background is way too dark. I changed it back to the close up image.--DannyBoy7783 18:32, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

Drug-Rug
It is rumoured that Qui-Gon felt that when one was going to Brodo Asogi, it was neccesary to wear flowers in one's hair. He also felt it was the dawning of the age of Aquarius. Feel free to let me know if you are sick of my commentary. Lonnyd 12:09, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * wtf.--DannyBoy7783 17:39, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * WHAT THE HECK!!! What are you talking about?!?
 * WTF!!! You idiot, you've been smoking something haven't you!
 * You're either high or insane or both.
 * Yes, I'm definitely sick of your commentary! Go put your straitjacket back on!
 * AHA!!! We now know why Qui-Gon lost to Darth Maul - he had been smoking deathsticks! (Conclusion drawn from what that crazy Lonnyd guy thinks Qui-Gon was thinking.) Either that, or Lonnyd was. Most likely the latter.
 * I completely forgot about this. I had, in fact, been smoking something. Lonnyd 21:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I knew it. :P Where the heck did you come up with that anyway?
 * It's from the old 60's song "San Francisco (be sure to wear flowers in your hair)" by Scott McKenzie. I was implying that Qui-Gon is a smelly hippy. Lonnyd 09:07, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * How dare you!?! Bad Lonnyd. He's not a hippie, he's the coolest Jedi that ever existed. And not because he wore flowers in his hair!!! :P --152.38.26.107 20:26, 11 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Bad Lonnyd again. >:( :P
 * Bad Lonnyd again. >:( :P

Quote
Might I suggest changing the quote at the top of the page to something that Qui-Gon himself said? I would reccomend changing it to "Be mindful of the Living Force, young padawan" as that line basically sums up his philisophical ideals. -- Brandon Rhea 01:21, 29 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I like that idea, and not just because he didn't say the quote himself. The current quote also made him sound like he was bad. Changing the quote is fine with me.
 * Hoping no one minds, but I went ahead and changed the quote to Brandon Rhea's suggestion and included a link. If anyone else has a quote they think would fit better, feel free to change it again. Maybe, "I shall do as I must"? Or something... Just mindless suggestions. Anyway, I only changed it because "Be mindful of the Living Force, young Padawan" did fit much better than any quote by Obi-Wan, or any other character other than Qui-Gon. Again, I hope no one minds.
 * Someone changed it to something said by Tyvokka, something that could be considered mean(-ish). I don't really like that one. If someone could come up with something better that would be nice.

I think the Obi-Wan quote from the Personality section would do nicely. We could switch them, so that maybe in the Personality section somewhere we could include Tyvokka's alternative point of view. - Angel Blue 451 20:51, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That would be nice, if Kwenn will let us. I tried to put that one at the top of the page and the next day it was changed back.
 * GAH!!! Yesyesyesyesyes! The evil Tyvokka quote is gone!!! I really like the new one, by the way, it's perfect! My thanks to whoever changed it.

A question...
Quote from the article: ...Qui-Gon took an unknown Padawan, whose training was almost complete.

Does this mean that he took a Padawan whose training at the Temple was almost complete, or did he take a Padawan who was in the middle of training with another Master? (I want to know this A.) because I'm a Qui-Gon fanatic, and B.) because it's relevant to a fanfic I'm writing.)

If someone could answer my question, I'd be very happy. Thanks :)
 * The latter. It is assumed he took over when the padawan's master died. QuentinGeorge 21:14, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay. Thanks.

What If?
I wondered if Qui-Gon was never killed by Darth Maul if Anakin would of still fallen to the dark side and also what would change in the story if Qui-Gon lived. AaronPaige
 * That...is interesting. If Qui-Gon had survived then Anakin probably would have been his Padawan instead of Obi-Wan's, which might have resulted in him turning out differently. (Not that I'm blaming Obi-Wan for anything!!!) Yeah, I think it's quite possible that Anakin wouldn't have turned to the Dark Side if Qui-Gon had been his Master. Stupid Darth Maul!!! *runs off and cries*
 * Also, in Secrets of the Jedi Qui-Gon noticed that Obi-Wan and Siri Tachi had fallen in love. If he hadn't died, he probably would have noticed that Anakin had fallen in love with Padme, and might have been able to help Anakin out, or somehow avert the...er...difficulties. ... I swear I'm going to buy a poster of Darth Maul, tack it to a board, and throw darts at it when I'm bored.
 * Things had to happen the way they did. Think about it... if Qui-Gon had lived, Anakin would have learned more control over his passions, resulting in he and Padmé not getting married and not having Luke and Leia.  Luke became the most powerful of all the jedi in the events after the movies, becoming the grand master and more powerful than Yoda.  With Qui-Gon living, Luke would probably not have existed and Anakin would probably not have had a chance to ever kill Palpatine.  The Great Jedi Purge had to happen... though how horrible it was, it just had to happen.  In the end, Anakin came back out of that charred and damaged body and fulfilled the prophecy.  Plus, it adds to the drama (lol). --Peytonio 02:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Give me a break. All this sainting of Qui-Gon makes me want to throw up. He was arrogant and listened only to himself. He didn't like to be questioned, and clear evidence is the way he reacts when Obi-Wan questions him. George Lucas in the DVD commentaries has said that Jinn was both "wrong and right" about wanting Skywalker trained. He's wasn't perfect. And taking all this stuff from the expanded universe and treating it like canon is insulting. the Jedi Apprentice books contradict The Phantom Menace novelisation when it comes when Obi-Wan became Jinn's apprentice. According to The Phantom Menace book, Obi-Wan was 5 when he became Jinn's apprentice.

Furthermore, this crap about a "robust" (referenced under Jinn's personality section) new Jedi Order under Luke being due to Jinn's influence makes me laugh. In the EU, Luke's Jedi turn from dark to light every other second. It's pathetic - and I mean pathetic in dictionary sense "to be pitied". In addition, all this garbage about Obi-Wan calling Skywalker pathetic is ridiculous. He hadn't even met Skywalker yet. Turns out Kenobi was prescient because Skywalker turned out to be someone who should be pitied when one doesn't want to throw him in a lava pit for being mass murderer.
 * Where does it say that Obi-Wan was five when he became Jinn's apprentice? ... And yes, I know Jinn wasn't perfect, but he also wasn't the arrogant, self-righteous idiot you're making him out to be. Seems to me like you're as stupid and biased as you're accusing us of being.
 * *ahem* The Knights of the New Jedi Order "turn from dark to light every other second" because there are too many writers out there who had nothing better to do with their time.

Are you a Star Wars fan like the rest of us or are you just someone intent on critisizing the saga? It isn't your business what writers do with their time, I should know because I'm a writer myself!

Discrepancies/Contradictions
This article says Qui-Gon successfully trained several knights before Xanatos. Then Xanatos article says he was Qui Gon's second, while the image description claims he was the first. Any ideas on this?
 * This is what CUSWE says about this in Qui-Gon's entry: After successfully training a Padawan apprentice, it was Qui-Gon who discovered the young boy named Xanatos, and brought him to Coruscant for training despite his age and spoiled nature. When the Council allowed Qui-Gon to take a Padawan, Qui-Gon chose Xanatos immediately. Snoop 14:55, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Issues with Time
A quote from the article... For twelve years, Qui-Gon and Xanatos were master and apprentice. Where does it state that it was twelve years? It could easily have been less. Another relatively pointless question from the crazy Jedi girl... But however *seemingly* pointless, if anyone knows the answer...and if they would be willing to tell me...meesa would be grateful!
 * Qui-Gon Jinn took Obi-Wan as a padawan when Kenobi was 13 (see Jedi Apprentice #1). Jinn died when Obi-Wan was 25. 25 - 13 = 12 years. QuentinGeorge 11:54, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I know. But I was wondering about Xanatos, not Obi-Wan.
 * Generally it's not nice to insult the people you're trying to get an answer from. Be civil - Kwenn 18:04, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, sorry. I was just annoyed at the slight implication that I was stupid. (The insults are gone now, for those of you who were wondering. And no, I didn't cuss him out or anything. Just so you know.)
 * And don't remove posts from Talk pages in future. If you regret what you've posted, you shouldn't have posted it in the first place - Kwenn 19:29, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought we were allowed to edit our own posts? ... All right, I did remove the one of yours telling me not to insult people, since I assumed that after I removed the insults we wouldn't need that there. *sigh* Sorry about that, too. In the future I promise to adhere to the rules of Wikiquette.
 * So anyway, in what canon source does it state that Xanatos was Qui-Gon's apprentice for 12 years? Like I said before, it could have been less... After all, Qui-Gon became a Jedi Knight at 19, and while I know that ascension to Jedi status at that age isn't normal, the Telos incident might have happened in Xanatos' early instead of mid-twenties. *sigh* Sorry, I know I'm nitpicking here, but for a fanfic writer, stuff like this is relevant. And I suppose that even non-fanfic writers might like to know.
 * Qui did not become a Knight at 19. 205.201.7.99 12:38, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
 * He wha... Then when did he become a Jedi? And why do some people say he did?... Dang, I wish people would take the trouble to look things up! ... I'm confused. --152.38.26.107 20:19, 12 October 2006 (UTC)


 * So does anyone know?
 * *sigh* Okay then, I'm just going to assume that this is non-canon, as no one seems willing to tell me otherwise.

Why don't YOU look things up, instead of dangging us for not? And it really isn't fair to edit talk pages, because the whole point of talk pages is that people can see other's opininon on the articles, not what someone has written, then rewritten after getting cold feet.

Canon check
"Mara Jade Skywalker later created her lightsaber in the image of Qui Gon's."

Does anyone have a source for this, or is it fanon? - Angel Blue 451 22:09, 7 August 2006 (UTC)


 * i found it on mara's page which is why i added it hereJedi Dude 22:18, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I'd still be more comfortable with it if someone had a source for it. - Angel Blue 451 22:20, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Until someone finds a source, I'm removing it. - Angel Blue 451 03:23, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's fanon. Mara's first lightsaber(s) only appears in a very few sources, and it has a red blade and looks nothing like Qui-Gon's. From the Thrawn Trilogy onward she uses Anakin/Luke's saber. I checked her page and it's clean. --Bodknocks 04:10, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Quotes from Jedi Apprentice
I own the entire series of the Jedi Apprentice books and I'm pretty sure I can find some qoutes in them. Qui-Gon is my favorite Jedi so I'll do all I can to help him become a Featured article. Tak 16:48, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you! At last, someone who agrees that Qui-Gon rocks! (And you're so darn lucky to have all the JA books! It's not fair...)GO QUI!!!
 * I have found a qoute from from The Dark Rival, "A broken circle.", will that do for Knighthood and Xanatos? Taktwo 19:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I have found another one!

"Qui-Gon Jinn, I will be thirteen in four weeks. You are my last chance to be a Jedi Knight"

- Obi-Wan begging Qui-Gon to accept him as his apprentice. Taktwo 17:50, 30 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm on a roll!

"You are a subject of a scientific experimentation. You will not be hurt, only studied."

- Jenna Zan Arbor Taktwo 14:14, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Continuity error ?
I wouldn't necessarily call the second item under Behind the Scenes a continuity error. Obi-wan just didn't include all the details of those events. He was amazed at Anakin's midichlorine count.--Darth Oblivion 02:42, 29 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with you. Obi-wan was not as wise in Episode I, as you can see when he insults Jar Jar anytime he can. In the novel, he isn't so peppy about Anakin either, but once again, he was not wise like himself in Episode IV, he hadn't bonded with Anakin yet as he does in the Clone Wars, and he only called Anakin a lost cause because of his age, not by Anakin's Force potential. Taktwo 14:23, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

Behind the scenes error
"As revealed in The Art of Star Wars, Episode I - The Phantom Menace, Lucas only conceived Qui-Gon's character during pre-production. This is shown by concept art where Obi-Wan is shown alone in the Federation ship and while meeting Jar Jar. Even when Qui-Gon was conceived, Lucas toyed with making him the younger Jedi, as shown in concept art depicting Obi-Wan as an old man. This decision may have led to a continuity error with the Original Trilogy. In the original films, Obi-Wan spoke to Luke as if he had discovered Anakin and he had been amazed with his power in the Force. However, in Episode I, Qui-Gon did these things, and Obi-Wan is anything but amazed at Anakin, who he first refers to as "another pathetic lifeform." 

In the novel he was amazed at Anakin. He did think that Anakin was a lost cause though, but only because of his age. And when did he say Anakin was another pathetic lifeform? If I recall, he said that to Jar-Jar. I'm going to go look over Epsiode VI though, because I really don't think there is any proof that he talked like he discovered Anakin. Taktwo 02:30, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * In Episode VI he says "I was amazed at how strongly the Force was with him." He does display amazement at Anakin's midi-chlorian count in Episode I. -  Angel Blue 451 (Holonet)[[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] 02:25, 28 September 2006 (UTC)


 * That line did not make it seem like he had discovered him. Now if the line was,"When I first saw him, I knew that he was destined to become a Jedi, and he needed a teacher." Taktwo 01:41, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * People keep using the Pathetic life form quote as a stick to knock aside anything about Obi-Wans thoughts on Anakin. but s it not true that he said that BEFORE meeting Anakin? Its not like he met him and thencalled him a pathetic life form. jediknighteagle

Age
Doesn't it seem odd that Qui-Gon is 60 in TPM, yet looks more like a man in his 40s. Obi-Wan is 57 in ANH and looks much older, though I suppose that could be premature aging.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron 18:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

- The TPM novel says he's nearing 60. He looked young because he was in great shape. Kenobi looked old in ANH because the Tatioone climate makes you look older than you really are. For example, he looks to be at least 60 yet is only 57. Owen Lars is just 55 in ANH while Beru is 58 and they both look older than that.

Don't you think that Obi-Wan looks younger than 25 in TPM? And if anyone has read the third book in the Jedi Apprentice series (or just looked at the cover, like I have) does anyone agree that Obi Wan looks a hell of a lot older than 13? Sorry, 12 turning 13!!! That's my age!!!

The Jedi lightsaber master who taught Qui-Gon had considered him the best lightsaber duelist he had seen in over 400 years of teaching in the Jedi Order.
What's the source for this?
 * I think it was the novelization of the Phantom Menace. -LtNOWIS 23:20, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think I saw something like that in the novel. I recently read it but maybe I am wrong. I don't know for sure. It would be wise to check the book. Kuradedo 23:38, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It is in the novel, during the fight with Maul. Obviously, this was written before Dooku had been created, so that line is basically contradicted by other sources and is thus non-canon - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 13:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Actually it could be possible, since most apprentices train under a common Master b4 being chosen by a Master. Like Cin Drallig was Obi-Wan's lightsaber instructor (ROTS novel) before he became Qui-Gon's apprentice. The same goes for Anoon Bondara (Cloak of Deception) who trained apprentices. Could be Qui-Gon's earlier lightsaber master referred here wasn't Dooku since i doubt Dooku would have taught him Form IV, given his disdain for it. -naz- Its also possiable that it could have been Tyvokka, not only does Tyvokka's age fit almost perfectly with the 400 year mark, but also consider the fact that he was a High Council Member, and an old one at that, which could have ment that he taught at the temple, perhapse in a role similar to that of Dooku's in teaching advanced lightsaber combat. Of course this is only guess work but it fits, and if he indeed was a practitioner of Makashi as he curved lightsaber hilt suggests it would have meant that his sword work would have been impecciable, all the more reason he would instruct lightsaber combat. AzureAngel 21:08, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It was Yoda, it had to be Yoda. Look at the JA series and Episode 2 - he trains the initiates. And I believe he used Ataru, but I think the initiates are taught Form I, Shii-Cho, or at least that's the first one they learn. I may be wrong. --Crazy Jedi Girl 21:33, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... yousa point is well seen. :) --Crazy Jedi Girl 20:47, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

Canonicity confirmation (oooh, lovely big words! Woohoo!)
For twelve years, Qui-Gon and Xanatos were master and apprentice. Is this canon? If it is canon, where did it come from? Or is it another fan rumor that someone stuck in there?--152.38.26.107 21:49, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

It is canon, anon! (That rhymed.) It was from the Jedi Apprentice series of books, which I have personally read.
 * Oh, really? I didn't know that, I've only read the first two... Which book?--152.38.26.107 18:38, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No, seriously, I want the title and a quote.
 * It is in a bunch of them... I can't remember one in particular. There is a long spiel involving Qui Gon, Xanatos, and Obi Wan on Telos in one of them, where I think Xanatos dies.  But every book pretty much states several times that Xanatos was before Obi Wan, and there was this big subplot with Qui Gon living up to standards, dealing with the death of Xanatos' father, etc. etc.
 * The official Databank talks about Qui-Gon and Xanatos -> -- Kaal 12:49, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Nonononononononono. I know that it's canon that Xanatos was Qui-Gon's apprentice. What I meant was... is it canon that he was Qui-Gon's apprentice for 12 years? Sorry, maybe I should have been clearer on that... But thanks for actually replying! And if you do know anything about the length of time, I will pay large amounts of Republic credits for the information... or you could be nice peoples and give it to me for free! :) LOL
 * OH! You should have been more clarified. I dunno, but it's definitely somewhere. ---  V ladius M agnum ( Clan Magnum )[[Image:dasymbol.gif|20px]] 21:36, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh. All right then... and if you or anyone else should happen to find some information on this, post it here, as I've got nothing better to do than check back. Sad, eh? :) --69.34.151.108 20:57, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Does anyone know? --Crazy Jedi Girl 21:59, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It should be removed until it can be verified - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 18:38, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed it should. I'll fix that as soon as I can figure out a way to make the paragraph sound right without it. --Crazy Jedi Girl 21:03, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Image
Is anyone else unable to see the image in Firefox? --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 00:00, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Nope, it works fine for me. -- Ozzel 21:05, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I've solved the problem now. It was because of this Adblock Plus add-on I have for Firefox. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 13:11, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Websites?
Ok, I'm new at this so I'm still figuring out how things work....I found a awesome Qui-Gon website. It's called www.qui-gonline.org It has pictures and some realy good stories from fans...I don't know if this is of any use, but if it is, cool! May the Force be with you,

--Cocky Corellian 17:25, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, it is indeed awesome and I love it. So much wonderful info! Not to mention the fanfic, it's fun as well... :) --Crazy Jedi Girl 00:47, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Update... it's been announced by qui-gonline.org's creator that the website is closing down. It's sort of sad, because it was a great website, but oh well. *wipes away a tear* --Crazy Jedi Girl 22:52, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Jinn yoused Ataru?
I am very picky when it comes to lightsaber combat, every Wookieepedia source says that Jinn yoused Ataru, my only objection is that he never leaves the ground. I of course have watched the duel severl times and he does youse about 10-15 Ataru moves but, from what I see is a Old man variation of Ataru, because he is not seen doing any Jung or Jung Ma, flips or anything besides when he does one forward flip when he's chasing Maul so I think Wookieepedia should state that he in his old age could not do all the acrobatic moves of Ataru. Correct me if I am wrong. Derek Yoda&#39;s friend 00:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)Derek Yoda's friend
 * I direct you to Fightsaber, where it canonically states Jinn's form. We do not use fan analysis of forms- that might go into a BTS section, if that. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 00:37, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * OK if this is the best excuse for Qui-Gon Jinn using Ataru I could, possibly Jinn was confined to the small area so he couldn't do acrobatics and not that I'm objecting to anybody but could somewone source Jinn's using Ataru. Derek Yoda&#39;s friend 06:59, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure as I do not have the books with me right now, but either Labyrinth of Evil or Revenge of the Sith did have a passage mentioning something about Ataru being a form of Qui-Gon's. If memory has not failed me, it was Dooku's observation of Obi-Wan's two-handed grip on the lightsaber, an Ataru feature that he compared to Qui-Gon and Yoda. And once more during the lightsaber duel on Invisible Hand, Dooku states that Qui-Gon had used Ataru. That's for the canonity part I guess. As for the technical aspects of it... well, a line between fiction and reality have to be drawn here. Realistically, it's impossible for a  normal human actor  to live up to the definition of Ataru per se. Neeson was not a martial artist like Ray Parks (Liam's also older) and even with stunt doubles, it isn't easy to achieve a true form IV effect of the level of Yoda. But as u can see, Lucasfilm had no trouble with Yoda in depicting the form, who was digitally animated. -Naz-

Dark Lord
in the article it says "It is believed that Qui-Gon possibly appeared to his former apprentice Obi-Wan near the end of the Clone Wars."


 * Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan have conversations together in Dark Lord, of cousre they had contact after the Clone Wars. Also, I don't like the word "appeared" since Qui-Gon is only a 'Force-Voice' GMo 00:03, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

True Talents
in the article it says "It is interesting to note his choice of Ataru despite sparring with Mace Windu, and being apprenticed to Count Dooku, a master of Form II: Makashi." This makes it out to sound like Qui-Gon only knew Ataru and that he had no knowlege of makashi or juyo, when it is very possiable and likely that Qui-Gon did know many aspects of other lightsaber forms and simply excelled in his Ataru mastership. Same as Jedi like Yoda or Cin Drallig know all of the forms but are particullarly stronger in one rather than the others, so while Yoda is said to be a master of Ataru he still knows and can use every other form, it is only that Ataru provides the best advantages for his short reach and incrediabe age. So while Qui-Gon was a powerful practitioner of Ataru it is more than likely that he knew elements if not the form of Makashi and a few others due to his apprenticeship to Dooku who was an Advanced lightsaber instructor. So i think this passage should be reworded.AzureAngel 18:27, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't think that will be necessary. The wording goes as  It is interesting to note his choice' of Ataru .' I think the message wished to be conveyed here was that Qui-Gon's lightsaber form choice was something rather out of a place for a man of his built and stature. Remember that Qui-Gon is a big man, he'd easily excel in Juyo/Vaapad or Makashi or even Djem So. But Qui-Gon known for being unconventional, he decides to choose something that requires a lot of acrobatics for some reason or other, perhaps even with the full knowledge that his size will cause him severe disadvantage with Form IV in confined spaces (in comparison to Yoda. Well, thats what that line means to me anyway, not that Qui-Gon was oblivious to other forms, but he just made an 'interesting' choice. And yes, I've often wondered what was the real reason or inspiration (canonly proven) of Qui-Gon adopting form IV as opposed to other forms. -Naz-


 * Well, wasn't Dooku supposed to have total disdain for Ataru or something? And he and Qui-Gon didn't have the best relationship. I've often thought that either Dooku developed his dislike of Ataru because of either Yoda or Qui-Gon's using it, or that Qui-Gon chose to use Ataru because he knew Dooku wouldn't like it. Or maybe Ataru just seemed to suit him better than Makashi, so he made the switch. I don't know, but it;s kind of fun to speculate. :) --Crazy Jedi Girl 10:29, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

First apprentice
Okay, is it considered canon that Qui-Gon had an apprentice before Xanatos? I know the Episode I Visual Dictionary says that he had a Padawan before Xanatos, but the Jedi Apprentice series says numerous times that Xanatos had been Qui-Gon's first. Is the Visual Dictionary a higher level of canon or something? Are there any other references to a Padawan before Xanatos? And what's the source for the other tiny bits of information we have, such as the fact that the first Padawan's training was almost complete when he/she became Qui's apprentice, as it says in this article?

Sorry, I just want to know for sure... --Crazy Jedi Girl 19:20, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Maybe it's there because the Jedi Apprentice novels are young readers so we don't consider them as being a higher source of canon then the Visual Dictionary? I have no idea. But it's hard when there's a lot of conflicting information. I'd say stick with the dictionary. I don't know about the other little tidbits though. Ellethwen 11:25, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Hmmmm... well, Jude Watson does contradict or push the limits of canon in several other places, so if I had to choose one to go with I'd choose the Visual Dictionary. You may be right. (Love the made-up words, by the way. FWEEEEEEE!) Anyone else have any input? --Crazy Jedi Girl 21:28, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Actually, never mind. I just remembered that when in doubt, the smartest thing to do is check the Star Wars Databank. Qui-Gon Jinn was long hesitant to take on a Padawan learner, given his failure with his second student. Oho! It's official. He/she exists. :)

As for the tiny bits of information we have about him/her, where did they come from? --Crazy Jedi Girl 18:27, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Character creation
RE: the first point in the BtS section, claiming that Qui-Gon's character was created during pre-production. Yes, it's true that Qui-Gon essentially took over from Obi-Wan as the main character in later script drafts, but I believe the character was certainly present in some form when it was solely Obi-Wan's mission -- I think the Episode I Insider's Guide notes that the rough script introduced Qui-Gon as Obi-Wan's master on Coruscant, and he subsequently joined the battle on Naboo. Can anyone confirm? - Captain Kwenn – Talk 21:26, 8 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Quote from the Star Wars Databank: In the earlier drafts of the screenplay for The Phantom Menace, Qui-Gon did not join Obi-Wan until much later in the film, meaning that much of the early action (such as the aborted negotiations aboard the Trade Federation flagship) was solely handled by Kenobi. The final screenplay described Qui-Gon in his 60s, far older than actor Liam Neeson.

I'm not sure if this helps any, but it's the most I can do right now because I don't have the Episode I Insider's Guide. --Crazy Jedi Girl 21:59, 9 October 2007 (UTC)


 * At last I have an answer for you... I think. On the Star Wars website, Robin Gurland says "Qui-Gonn Jinn was always in the script." (Typo there, but still.) --Crazy Jedi Girl 14:14, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

Misspronounced
under the Personality headline, appears a quote that claims some people see Jinn as a gray Jedi. a line later, is seen that he was thiught a grey jedi. due to th fact unregistered users cannot edit the article, i cannot edit. so, i would like to ask you to fix the mistake. 87.68.77.39 15:20, 1 June 2008 (UTC)

It's not misspronounced, it's simply the fact that there are Americans, Australians, Canadians, British and other people editing. And please learn how to spell. thiught, I ask you.

Its been Changed so they both have an A Thanks for pointing it out RC-1136 Copy 09:07, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Maybe we should stick to one particular dialect when editing Wookieepedia. I mean, I'm Australian, but I have no problem with writing American (eg. colour-color, grey-gray). Or should we write Australian English, or British English? We should really decide that, because it isn't very professional to have these little spelling problems.

Jedi character box
The box on Qui-Gon's page (and also on many of the other pages with character boxes) is messed up pretty badly. It's broken and trails off the page into nothingness. I can't even see the pic of the statistics. What's going on? I use WIndows 2000/XP so is this just a problem with the browser? Even this box that I'm typing in is doing the same thing unless I make my browser window smaller. Kara Jinn 02:29, 19 July 2008 (UTC)