Talk:Bail Prestor Organa

Content
This article should probably focus more on Organa as a character, including his crucial role in the early stages of the Alliance with Mon Mothma and Garm Bel Iblis. --SparqMan 03:30, 9 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. As is, the article has zero content. Also there are rumors that Antilles is Bail Organa's maiden name, since he married the Queen of Alderaan, whose family name is Organa.--Gen.d 15:42, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Those rumours are false. Bail's surname is Organa. Another character is Bail Antilles. Bail's wife - Breha Organa - was born Breha Antilles, though. 21:53, 21 May 2005 (UTC)
 * So the Royal House of Alderaan's name was Antilles? --Gen.d 22:41, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
 * No, it's Organa. It goes like this. There is a Bail Antilles. There is also a Bail Organa. Two different people. Bail Antilles has two children - Raymus Antilles and Breha Antilles. Breha married Bail Organa and becomes Breha Organa. They adopt Leia. Raymus Antilles is the father of Colton Antilles. All of these characters are totally unrelated to Wedge Antilles. QuentinGeorge 10:17, 23 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Turns out, there's no such person as Colton Antilles. Check the Raymus Antilles article for details. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 03:27, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Picture
The dead space on that picture has been bugging me for a while, so I cropped it. Since there doesn't seem to be a real standard (headshots vs. full body), I'll let everyone decide: [Removed link to deleted image. -- Ozzel 03:36, 22 March 2006 (UTC)] 

I could always crop tighter on the full body picture, but that would mean one really loooong infobox. So which one? -- Ozzel 07:39, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I like the close-up on the left much better. --Azizlight 07:52, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Closeup, definately. QuentinGeorge 09:05, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I prefered that one, too. Looks much better now. -- Ozzel 03:36, 22 March 2006 (UTC)

Death
You know the message Leia put in R2-D2 in Episode IV? It said 'please see this droid safely delivered to him on Alderaan'. Assuming he didn't leave he would have been kiled in the Destruction of Alderaan

In the article, it says Bail died in 0 BBY. I assume this is because of the destruction of Alderaan. But didn't he greet Leia though, on Yavin, and Leia says that she was worried he had been killed. If this is a completely different person, or I have imagined this scene, please correct me. Mastermundi 15:44, 24 March 2006 (UTC) Thanks. I never realised he died. Mastermundi 09:16, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * That's Commander Willard. -- Ozzel 20:58, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you sure that he died? I thought I read somewhere that he survived and was seen on one of the lower levels of Coruscant. Springerjkreb 20:35, 27 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Star Wars Databank: "Bail Organa was killed when the Death Star destroyed Alderaan."

I already changed the article to say he died --GMo 18:05, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

ATTENTION!
To whoever deleted my gambling refrence, it is CONFIRMED Bail illegaly gambled in Jedi Quest numero Three The Dangerous Games! Please read the book before deleting it AGAIN! ELV
 * no it hasent your wrongJimbo123321
 * Do you even OWN any of the Jedi Quest books? If not than STFU! It deliberatly names Organa as placing illegal bets. DO NOT HARASS ME UNLESS YOU ACTUALLY KNOW WHAT THE HECK YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!

Main Image
Any objections? -- Redemption  Talk 20:52, 9 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Nothing against it, but I didn't see what was wrong with the old one. -- Ozzel 22:47, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Not a matter of anything being wrong with an image. It's a matter of an image being better. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 22:50, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * So if this one is better, then that means the other one is worse. I don't really see anything particularly "better" about either of them. -- Ozzel 03:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Then...what's the problem? -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 04:09, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * There's not one. I just didn't think there was one before, either. -- Ozzel 04:11, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with Ozzel. Why fix something that isn't broken? --Tinwe 14:45, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Be-cauuse...It's Bail Organa, Switch, Bail Organa. .  .  .  .  02:52, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm fine with it, but I'd like to keep the other one someplace other than a gallery. -- Darth Culator  (Talk)(Kills) 03:00, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

the controversy is older than you think
Marvel Star Wars gives Leia's father as Bail "Antillies". Anyone noticed that? MoffRebus 12:03, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Where? Cull Tremayne 12:19, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Father-in-law?
The fact that Antilles is his father-in-law is being disputed over in the Bail Antilles article. I believe it's fanon. Should the disputed tag be added here, as well? --JMM 15:13, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Prestor
Might I ask what source this middle name comes from? I haven't been able to find it in the article. --  Riffsyphon  1024 14:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's from The Paradise Snare novel.--Darth Paulus 19:48, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe the original source for "Prestor" was the Star Wars radio drama, which did not even use "Bail" at all. --JMM 20:40, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, the ORIGINAL source was indeed SWRD, but TPS is definitely the source where Prestor is used as part of Bail's name.--Darth Paulus 23:12, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

Prince Consort? Ruler?
This is a bit confusing. In most monarchies, the term "Consort" denotes the spouse of the sovereign who has no real authority. Example, in Great Britain, Prince Phillip is the husband and consort of Queen Elizabeth II who was the daughter of George VI. She is the sovereign monarch. He is not. Furthermore, King George VI married his wife Elizabeth who was the "Queen Consort", etc.

So, if Bail Organa is the "Prince Consort" then he has no real royal power. His wife Queen Breha is the true sovereign of Alderaan. But, it is highly possible that Queen Breha is herself the ceremonial head of state and that she likely appointed her husband to Viceroy and First Chairman (or he was elected) to handle the day to day operations of running Alderaan. This makes more sense given that "Viceroy" means deputy ruler.

In essence, it means that the House of Antilles, from which Breha reportedly hails, was the ruling house of Alderaan and not the House of Organa.

Bail's mother, Queen Mazicia, presents a another wrench in the proverbial engine, if she was in fact, the "ruler" of Alderaan before Bail. This is major screwed up because Bail would be King upon her death and not Prince. In the original script, Princess Leia's father was a king.


 * This is actually something I've been wondering about myself. Maybe on Alderaan only women can rule? It would make sense, since it is emphasized that Bail and Breha wanted to adopt a baby girl who would become their heir, as they couldn't have children of their own (My wife and I will take the girl. We've always talked of adopting a baby girl, as Bail says in ROTS). This would be the logical explanation, but it presents another problem: Why didn't any of Bail's three sister become the next queen after Mazicia? I don't know, maybe the oldest child inherited the crown despite of the gender (I'm assuming Bail was the oldest of the four), but in the case the heir was a man, his wife became the sovereign and he became the viceroy. Great, now I'm even more confused than when I started. :) --Tinwe 16:22, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

Senator?
He was still a Senator until 0 BBY, specifically when Palpatine removes the senate right? The Secret Apprentice  ( Personal Comm ) 00:25, 26 June 2008 (UTC)

No, he was a senator until 1 BBY, until he gave his position to Leia. DC 17:30, 23 July 2008 (UTC)