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Request
Could you give CT-65/91-6210 a copy-edit ?  Clone Commander Lee  Talk 17:45, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Let me know if you have any questions. &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 19:28, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Hat's off to you

 * Thanks! I intend to keep working on them; we only need to finish off Dialogue2 plus hit everything for Dialogue3 before Dialogue is fully implemented. I haven't looked at the "what links here" for the various quote templates, but I think the good Dr. Ball has been running through them, so they should be close to done as well. &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 21:44, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

About Planet of Twilight
Hey Jonathan. If you'd like a copy of Planet of Twilight for greenputt, I can send a copy to you via email. However, if you'd prefer to get it through more.... standard channels :P, then forget I said anything. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie the truth  ) 05:54, June 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the offer, but I do prefer "standard channels". I actually just requested a copy from my local library and should have it by early next week if not tomorrow. Thanks anyway, though. :) &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 19:52, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

Voting
How come my vote isn't/wasn't valid, b/c I voted after the block expired-pretty sure. Or I can't vote b/c of my block in the past?--Alexyodaross 02:12, June 22, 2010 (UTC)Alexyodaross
 * The block&mdash;which I wasn't even aware of&mdash;is irrelevant in this case. The issue is the productivity requirement of the voting eligibility policy. Currently, you have 356 mainspace edits + 10 Wookieepedia: namespace edits for a total of 366 "productive" edits, and 240 User: edits + 90 User talk: edits + 16 Forum: edits = 346 "non-productive" edits. The productivity requirement states that your total of "productive" edits must be at least double your total of "non-productive" edits in order for your votes to count on anything other than Quote of the Day or the annual Mister/Miss Star Wars contests. You don't currently meet this requirement, hence why your vote was struck. &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 04:40, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

Luke Skywalker image
Just letting you know I cropped File:Luke on Endor.jpg in response to the reasoning for your weak support vote on the Luke Skywalker talk page. Take a look and see if I cropped it enough. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 12:04, June 23, 2010 (UTC)

Request
Hey MJ,

Can you run through the Dark Lords of the Sith exhibit for me when you have a moment please? Same terms as usual, thanks in advance. —Tommy 9281 00:50, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Let me know if you have any questions. &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 01:27, June 24, 2010 (UTC)

Request for copy-edits, etc.
Hey, Jon. Could you please copy-edit and give word-counts and review to Nico Diath and Knol Ven'nari? I know they need images.-- 02:58, June 27, 2010 (UTC) Hi Master Jonathan. Kasra referred me to this conversation. I'm currently working on the Jon Antilles article and I have some query regarding how the years are presented. The comic stated the mission occurred "4 months after the Battle of Geonosis", yet The New Essential Chronology says it happened in 21.7 BBY. Now since the battle occurred in 22 BBY, are the two dates the same? Thanks for your time. ToRsO bOy 22:53, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Done, and I have no objections to either one. :D One thing, though: please note that for purposes of linking, decimal years should always be rounded backwards unless the event is explicitly confirmed to take place in the later year; in this case, 21.7 BBY should be piped to 22 BBY, not 21 BBY. (I've taken care of this in these two articles.) Nico is 1173 words and Knol is 1092, so both are good for FAN. Let me know if you have any questions. &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 21:49, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help, and the advice on the years.-- 22:42, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Essentially, yes. Keep in mind that Clone Wars calendars are usually on a 12-month calendar, so "4 months after Geonosis" is equivalent to "one-third of a year after Geonosis". Since Geonosis is officially placed at 22 BBY, 4 months ABG would therefore be 21.666&hellip; BBY, which easily rounds to the 21.7 BBY figure given by the NEC. Since the NEC figure is obviously rounded, however, the 4 months ABG figure would be the most accurate. Secondly, also keep in mind that we treat the BBY/ABY system differently than the NEC and other official sources. We use the system as a calendar, meaning that, for example, "22 BBY" is an actual year in the same way that 2010 is the current year here on Earth (assuming you use the Gregorian calendar). Official sources, however, use it only as a relative dating system rather than a calendar, which produces the decimal figures you see in the NEC and elsewhere. Our 22 BBY year includes everything dated between 22.00 BBY and 21.01 BBY in official sources. Let me know if you have any further questions. &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 23:19, June 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I get it. So simple when explained that way. Much appreciated. ToRsO bOy 23:54, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Hi
I am sorry for attaching information about the Acklaay, I was not finished gathering the source and I am new to this place so I did not bother to add the source just quite that second before submitting my information.

F6

Galleries
I didn't know that you can't have a gallery on your user page. But can you have a picture? --Lord Cman 19:23, June 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, you can have images on your userpage, but you cannot use markup and must comply with our user image policy. &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 20:17, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

Copyedit query
Could you copy-edit and give a review to Rii'ke En? Thanks.-- 01:30, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Done. Two issues that are more question rather than objection:
 * Any quotes?
 * I'll get them, the comic is told from Bly's perspective, see. Would those quotes count?-- 02:12, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * If there are any specifically about Rii'ke, then yes, they can be used. &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 02:14, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll get to it tomorrow.-- 02:20, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Done.-- 17:22, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Any new info from Star Wars: The Comics Companion?
 * No.-- 02:12, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Otherwise looks good at 547 words. Let me know if you have any questions. &mdash; Master Jonathan  ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 01:57, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your help, Jon.-- 02:12, July 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 17:49, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Yet another one
Could you give a copy-edit and review for Shon Kon Ray? Thanks.-- 01:35, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Done. Objections: That's it. 439 words currently. Let me know if you have any questions. &mdash; Master Jonathan  ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 02:25, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * "informing him of the situation aboard a LAAT/i gunship": The situation itself isn't on the gunship; Kon Ray is (I assume, since I don't have the source). Please clarify this in both the intro and body.
 * There's a lot of identical and near-identical phrasing in the intro and body, including the statement above. Please rephrase to avoid duplication.
 * Better?-- 02:38, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Still three instances: "Kon Ray and fellow Jedi Generals Agen Kolar and Shaak Ti led the invasion force", "However, the Brentaal rebels repelled the majority of the Republic troops", and "As Kon Ray finished his report, his ship was destroyed by enemy fire".
 * Please try it.-- 02:54, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Are you sure that "Kon" is part of his last name and not a middle name?
 * Yes, after his ship explodes, a clone refers to him as "General Kon Ray" when talking to Shaak Ti.--
 * Thanks for you help once again.-- 02:38, July 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * No problem. Now 462 words after the review. &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 02:57, July 10, 2010 (UTC)

Conjuration
Hey MJ,

Can you copyedit Sith magic for me when you have the time please? Xicer9 is also looking over it at the moment, so don't be alarmed. Same terms as always, thanks in advance. —Tommy 9281 03:21, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Done, and I must say it was a very interesting read. One note: you may want to consider removing the game mechanics paragraph in the BTS, as those details come from an obsolete book. The Dark Side Sourcebook was published to go with the first edition of the WOTC game, which has since gone through two significant overhauls, the last of which completely overhauled the system of game mechanics and rendered all prior books obsolete with regard to game mechanics as it retained very little backwards compatibility with the prior editions. Otherwise, excellent job. :D &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 01:05, July 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much, MJ, I'm glad you enjoyed. I've also taken your advice and removed the game mech section. Again, thank you, I am once again indebted to you. —Tommy 9281 01:36, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Request
Could you give Polus and Pyn'gani a copy-edit and a word-count please?  Clone Commander Lee  Talk 13:42, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Polus is 276 words and Pyn'gani is only 243. Let me know if you have any questions. &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 16:57, July 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you.  Clone Commander Lee  Talk 18:37, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Successful or Unsuccesful
Hey, Jonathan, just to let you know, you are incorrectly marking unsuccessful "CAN" articles as successful.  JangFett  (Talk) 05:00, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * BAH!! Seriously, not being an Inq or AC member, I've never archived nominations like that before, so I completely forgot about it. [smacks self on forehead] I'll remember that in the future, though those six are the only failed noms we have for now. Thanks for letting me know. &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 05:41, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

CA template
Is there a template where a user can put an article that they got to CA status, kinda like the ones for GAs and FAs?-- 19:51, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, there isn't. See this discussion for why. &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 19:52, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, gotcha. Just curious, thanks!-- 19:54, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Thank you
Thanks for your help Kajalamorth 21:41, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Request
Could you give Gwarrk a copy-edit ?  Clone Commander Lee  Talk 16:50, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Let me know if you have any questions. &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 17:07, July 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanky you.  Clone Commander Lee  Talk 17:17, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

wiserferus
Okay, since we seem to be having a dispute over Ferus' web page let me quote the exact passage:

"I know," she admitted, and released Ferus's hand. "I hate to leave him." Luke cleared his throat. "We won't." He shared a glance with Han, and they both bent down on either side of Leia to raise the body of the fallen Jedi. Leia took hold of Ferus's hand once again. "Let's go." They walked in silence toward the edge of the camp where the Falcon was docked. Chewbacca had kept the engines running. The entire fleet had jumped into hyperspace, along with the Imperials. They were the only ones left in the system, with six minutes to go. '''But just as they were about to take off,. . . '''

Now how could they take off if they were not in the ship? And why would they carry Ferus all the way to the ship, walk inside themselves, then return for him? They did not know about Vader until after they were on the ship, hence my first statement. To continue:

'Leia and Han stood in the hatchway, watching him (Luke) board.' Han was one of the two who was carrying Ferus's body, so it would not have made sense for them to just dump him there. Plus, if Luke had time to make it from the bottom of the ramp into the ship, then they would have had time to grab Ferus.


 * I understand what you're saying, but if you continue to page 136, the narration, from Luke's POV, reads: "Ferus and Div were lost in the inferno and would never be seen again." Now, why would he be lost in the inferno if he was on board the Falcon? The only answer, though it doesn't make hardly any sense, is that he wasn't carried onto the Falcon and was left on the planet. I strongly suspect that the page 136 statement was simply an error on the part of the author, but unless and until Leland Chee declares it to be an error, we have no choice but to accept that statement as canon. The only sequence of events that meshes with what's given in the book is that Ferus's corpse was carried to the ship, but was left on the planet; while I agree that makes no sense, unfortunately that's what we're stuck with. &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 22:19, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

I think by that statement the author meant to imply that their souls rather than their bodies were lost to the inferno. If you think it is so ridiculous and does not make sense, then stop editing the page and go do something else. You have plenty of other people pining for you to do something for them, so go take care of them before you go editing something that you at least vaguely agree with. And for that matter for all the time you spend changing my answer back, you could have written multiple articles.


 * First, please be more civil in your interactions with other editors. Telling people to "stop editing the page and go do something else" and insinuating that they have better things to do than politely disagree with you can lead to a block if you're not careful. Second, please sign your comments on discussion pages with four tildes (~) so other people know who made the comment, otherwise someone has to dig into the page history and tag your comments manually.
 * As to the issue of Ferus's corpse, you can speculate in your head all you want about what the author intended, but such speculation is considered "original research" and is not accepted on Wookieepedia. We have to go with what is explicitly stated in the source, and the source simply states that Ferus was left on the planet; in the absence of an explicit statement to the contrary in another source, we have to treat it as Ferus himself (i.e. his body) being left on the planet. Besides, other sources indicate that when a Force-sensitive dies, his or her soul goes to the netherworld of the Force, so their souls would not have been "lost". &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 23:14, July 18, 2010 (UTC)


 * Okay dude, first of all, the only reason I signed on to Wookieepedia was to edit Ferus's bio page and I have no problem whatsoever telling you to get a life. And if you think you can threaten me by telling me that your are going to go 'tell on me'.........Grow Up. I would leave this alone, but your behavior is downright asinine and I feel that if anyone should be blocked it should be you for lack of common courtesy for others' opinions. YOU ARE IN NO WAY BETTER OR MORE SUPERIOR THAN ME. Why do care so much what Ferus' bio says, anyways?
 * Secondly, you mention something about how all I had was speculation, but that is all you have too, so it seems that we have reached a stalemate. You assume that that is what the author meant, but since it is explicitly stated that his body was physically picked up and taken to the ship I would sooner suspect that to be fact than just. "They lost both of them to the fiery inferno" or whatever. Just so you know I willkeep coming back to edit it. FYI, you do not have to be a member of wookieepedia to do that. All I ask is just simply LEAVE IT BE.


 * While I cannot agree that Ferus's body was taken off the planet in the Falcon because of page 136, I am willing to concede that it is somewhat ambiguous; to that end, I've simply removed any mention of what happened to his body from "Death" section so that there's no question as to that section's accuracy. Most characters have no canonical information at all regarding the disposition of their body, so it's highly unlikely that the casual reader will want to know that, and it's also very minor compared to his death in what's now the last sentence of the section, so it doesn't really detract from the article. Additionally, for those few people that might want to know what happened to him, I've added a paragraph to the "Behind the scenes" section explaining the issue. &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 05:31, July 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thank you for making a compromise. I was not sure about doing that myself because I thought that you would just go ahead and change it and believe me if you thought I was being nasty before, dude you hadn't seen anything yet! :) I kind of have a bad temper, but really thank you for the compromise.:)( 15:52, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Request
Could you do a copy-edit on, and give a review and word count for The Rakata and the Unknown World? Thanks in advance.-- 00:53, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Done, with no objections. Normally I would ask about quotes, but this time I'm actually familiar with the source material, so I know that there aren't any. 384 words; let me know if you have any questions. &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 01:15, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Jon. Wouldn't Bane's quoting of Revan apply here? "Honor is a fool's prize, glory is of no use to the dead."-- 14:50, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't think so, since it's not clear what volume he's quoting from. I know it says the words were written by Darth Revan, but Revan may have written more than one book, so we don't know for sure that it comes from this one. &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 17:44, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Good point, didn't think about that. Thanks for your help!-- 19:35, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

um why do you keep removing the things i add to The Rakata and the Unknown World the items are related.
 * Because they're not necessary for that article. Specifically, as long as one name of the planet is given, additional names aren't needed and in some cases can be considered "fluff"; and the detail about the thought bomb, while relevant to the immediately surrounding text, is not relevant to the subject of this article. If you have any further questions, it would probably be best to direct them to Jedi Kasra, who wrote the article. &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 01:24, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

Request
Hey, MJ,

Can you run through Darth Zannah when you have time please? Same terms as always, thanks in advance. —Tommy 9281 14:48, July 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Let me know if you have any questions. &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 00:03, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Request
Hey, MJ,

Can you also run through Freedon Nadd when you have time please? Same terms, thanks in advance. —Tommy 9281 15:00, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey MJ, I'm done with Nadd now. I only saw you tagged him after I was in the middle of my cleanup, but I've finished so there shouldn't be any edit conflicts. Thanks!
 * Done. I simply did a partial save at the end of the bio to prevent an edit conflict, and that's really my fault anyway for assuming you were done with it. :P Anyway, have at it, and I intend to get to work on Zannah very briefly. &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 22:14, July 21, 2010 (UTC)