Talk:Clone trooper/Legends

Views of Clones
"This approach initially gave the impression that clone troopers were no better than droids; faceless soldiers, ordered to fight and die for the Republic, with no minds or lives of their own." I find that interesting. Obi-Wan's comment of "they're doing their job so we can do ours" as the clone pilots perished caught me completely off guard. --SparqMan 14:34, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I think that it's a kind of statement on the ideology of the times regarding life. In the real world, recent advances regarding bioengineering are bringing us close to the idea of "manufactured humanity". - Angel Blue 451 22:26, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Did you even look at the date? It's been months since SparqMan posted that. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:01, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, and what's the problem? Discussion could still happen. - Angel Blue 451 01:51, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It seems very useless to respond to something that was posted months ago. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:09, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps. - Angel Blue 451 21:20, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I guess it doesn't matter. On another Star Wars site, we go by that rule. I thought it might also apply here. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:22, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * In any case, it's not that important. Just thought it looked like an interesting discussion. - Angel Blue 451 21:37, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * My apologies. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:03, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * None necessary. Don't worry about it. :) - Angel Blue 451 01:18, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:11, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Major changes
I really upped the Clone trooper article, adding in a lot of stuff from insider 84. What do y'all think? -- Xilentshadow900 00:24, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Pretty good. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:30, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)

The Quote
The quote I had: "If you sharpen a knife to its limits, you run the risk of cutting your own hand. The knife has no choice but to be as sharp as you made it."

That should be on the front page as well. It forshadows the downfall of the Jedi. Xilentshadow900 14:52, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)


 * 81.17.207.36 had removed it. Non-members editing articles because they dont think the quote should be there? I don't think that's how it should go. Xilentshadow900 14:52, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * That quote should be there, along with the one I had put up after you put this one up. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 14:53, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I fixed it. Xilentshadow900 14:54, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 14:57, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Neither of those quotations seem appropriate or interesting. --SparqMan 18:34, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, Xilentshadow's quote really should stay, because it is sort of a reference to Order 66. Otherwise, I guess the other quote could go. I'll do that now. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 18:36, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Specialized Units
Shouldn't Commander Keller's Cold Assault Troopers be mentioned in that section?. Gonzalo84 23:41, 04 NOV 2005
 * Make an article about it. Xilentshadow900 12:20, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * And we can't have it as "snowtroopers". Cmdr. J. Nebulax 12:45, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Done, check out Clone Cold Assault Troopers. Gonzalo84 08_03, 05 NOV 2005
 * Moved to "Clone cold assault trooper". Cmdr. J. Nebulax 15:41, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)



Found this photo, I'd like to know what unit/legion or whatever this clone trooper belongs to. The markings are just like those of the 91st Recon Corps but the armor has the common Phase II shape Gonzalo84 09:53, 26 NOV 2005
 * That would still be a member of the 91st Recon Corps. The armor doesn't have to look the same, it just has to have the same marking(s). Admiral J. Nebulax 15:48, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)



Again, I found another photo, is this a Heavy Weapon's Specialist?. The source - don't remember which one - identified this trooper as the gunner for some vehicle. Gonzalo84 15:27, 28 NOV 2005
 * It's the Hasbro AT-TE Tank Gunner. I'm not sure if the helmet pad and shoulder pad designates a certain legion, or are there for some other use. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:30, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)

The Prime Clone
The New Essential Chronology identifies Jango Fett as the 'Prime Clone'. Is there another source which states definitively that the Kaminoans used a clone of Jango for tissue samples and the like? I was always under the impression that Jango stayed on Kamino for that express purpose. For now, I removed the reference to a separate Prime Clone. Ywingempress 01:51, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree, I always thought Jango was the Prime Clone. -LtNOWIS 01:53, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Insider 84 specifically states that the prime clone was a clone of jango used for tissue samples.--Xilentshadow900 03:09, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I can't find that reference in the Guide to the Grand Army of the Republic article. Do you have the exact quote? -LtNOWIS 03:52, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Oops, let me go fix something. I didn't read this before changing that statement. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 16:17, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Standard Clone


Is there an official name for the standard trooper's legion??--Bly1993 18:58, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Not really a legion. Just what the standard clone looks like without legion markings. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:28, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Gree's 41st Elite Legion wear this armor on Coruscant prior to leaving for Kashyyyk. During the trip they replace it with camo armor - Kwenn 21:29, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * No, they where armor with grey markings.--Bly1993 21:32, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think that all of the clones wear this time of armor while they're not in battle. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:31, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyway, it probably represents an "off-duty" clone trooper. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:43, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * What about the ones in Star Wars: Clone Wars volume II? They fought battles.Bly1993 16:02, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * The micro-series has screwed things up before. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:00, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Or rather, as a stylized version of events, the Clone Wars cartoons do not neccessarily depict the clone troopers as definitively as other sources; what they looked like during those battles is ambiguous - Kwenn 18:22, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the cartoon has the entire Separatist Coruscant invasion force comprised of Providences. That's obviously wrong. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:23, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Not the ENTIRE. We don't see the ENTIRE Separatist Coruscant invasion force in the cartoon. --Master Starkeiller 18:26, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Every time we see CIS warships, it's always Providences, as opposed to the film, where the only one is Invisible Hand. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:27, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * My point is: Because we don't see other ships, it doesn't mean they aren't there, "off-camera". Besides, the Separatists kept coming. Between the cartoon and the film, most Providence destroyers must have been destroyed and other ships must have come. --Master Starkeiller 18:31, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * I still ask, "Why waste the Providences?" But we're getting off of the subject, so let's not talk about this. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:33, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * So, to get this back on track, I don't think it represents any legion at all. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:47, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, for the Micro Series it could have been that, during the Battle of Coruscant, the "off-duty" clones could have just been forced into battle because of the current situation.

White armor
I seem to recall a reference that mentioned the white armor was a design decision by the Kaminoans, reflecting their preference towards the color seen in Tipoca City. While the psychological effect of a white force is impressive (or that they're so good they don't need camo), it seems that if Jango had his way, they'd be wearing something a little less obvious. Am I making this up? --SparqMan 18:31, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * That seems correct. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:34, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Armony anomaly
In recent issues of Star Wars Republic and the Clone Wars adventures book, we've seen some clones post-Order 66 wearing what appears to be phase 1 armor or a variant thereof. Any thoughts on this?
 * I'm sure there was Phase I armor still in use around 19 BBY. Just because they were stormtroopers then doesn't mean they needed the later stormtrooper armor. Admiral J. Nebulax 17:58, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Meh. I would scratch this off as artistic licence.--Xilentshadow900 14:05, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Not necissarily. The Clone Wars just ended, the Phase I armor would have been used for three years or so, the stormtrooper armor not out yet... It's very likely that Phase I armor was still used after the Clone Wars. Admiral J. Nebulax 14:47, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Many clones were still outfitted with Phase I armor during the events of Revenge of the Sith and the events that followed. Simple as that. --AdmThrawn 03:44, 17 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, some of the regiments could have been in a situation or place where it was inconvenent{sp?] for them to recive the armor upgrade. Heck, maybe clones feel nostalgia.[sp?]

Clone picture
I think everybody will agree that the picture on the left is much better than the picture on the right. Now, Redemption. I'm not sure if you know, but it's common policy to bring up a major change such as an article's main picture. --Xilentshadow900 22:17, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The Geonosis one stays. It's as simple as that. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 23:04, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Works for me.--Xilentshadow900 23:06, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It works for everyone. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 23:10, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Then whats with the "who do I think I am" routine? And clearly it doesn't work for "everyone" if I felt that it could do better. Redemption 23:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, this is perfectly fine the way it is. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 23:31, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Combo of the two...Redemption 23:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[[Image:Clonegeobetter.gif|thumb|right]]
 * Let's just keep it the way it is, shall we?--Xilentshadow900 23:37, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 23:37, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * If there is an image that is better then it should be changed to that image...just because its not your image doesn't mean there can't be a better one.Redemption 23:41, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, the current one is better than both of yours. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 23:44, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * How about instead of shooting me down you actually back yourself up? The current one is blurry, the colors are disorted and its not that "clean" of a image. Redemption 23:45, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It captures the fine essence of the battle of geonosis, and show's the clones' ability to charge into action when prepared, as opposed to a picture of a crappy action figure with bad image compression.--Xilentshadow900 23:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Besides, both of your images, Redemption, are very blurry. The current one isn't. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 23:49, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you kidding me? The current one is definitly more blurry then either one. Besides, images aren't supposed to capture the "essence" of a character. Are we going to change another image to a crappy quality image just to capture its "essence"? Redemption 23:52, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Your computer is obviously screwed up. Your images are blurry, this current image isn't. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 23:55, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Besides, more people are in favor of the current one. You lose. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 23:55, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you overdid it a bit there Jack...--Xilentshadow900 23:59, 6 March 2006 (UTC)