Wookieepedia:Good article nominations



This page is for the nomination of good articles. This is not a way to showcase the articles of your favorite characters, spaceships, or the like. For a list of good articles, see Category:Wookieepedia good articles.

What is a Good article?
A Good article is an article that adheres to quality standards, but cannot reach FA status due to its limited content.

A Good article has the following attributes.

1. It is well written. In this respect:


 * (a) it has compelling prose, and is readily comprehensible to non-specialist readers;
 * (b) it follows a logical structure, introducing the topic and then grouping together its coverage of related aspects; where appropriate, it contains a succinct lead section summarizing the topic, and the remaining text is organized into a system of hierarchical sections (particularly for longer articles);
 * (c) it follows the Manual of Style, Layout Guide, and all other policies;
 * (d) necessary technical terms or jargon are briefly explained in the article itself, or an active link is provided.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable. In this respect:


 * (a) it provides references to any and all sources used for its material;
 * (b) sources should be selected in accordance with the guidelines for reliable sources;
 * (c) it contains no elements of original research.

3. It is broad in its coverage, addressing all major aspects of the topic (this requirement is slightly weaker than the "comprehensiveness" required by WP:FA, and allows shorter articles and broad overviews of large topics to be listed);.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy. In this respect:


 * (a) viewpoints are represented fairly and without bias;
 * (b) all significant points of view are fairly presented, but not asserted, particularly where there are or have been conflicting views on the topic.

5. It is stable, i.e., it does not change significantly from day to day and is not the subject of ongoing edit wars. This does not apply to vandalism and protection or semi-protection as a result of vandalism.

6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic. In this respect:


 * (a) the images are properly sourced and have succinct and descriptive captions;
 * (b) a lack of images does not in itself prevent an article from achieving Good Article status.

Nomination of Good articles
To nominate an article for Good article status, list it here. Nominated articles must meet all six requirements stated above. If an article has a total of five votes after at least a week since it was nominated (beginning the day of its nomination) and no objections (or the objections have been stricken or overridden), the article will be considered a "Good article" and tagged with the template. The talk page will also be tagged with the GA template. For complete instructions on archiving nominations please see here. Also remember to add GAnom at the top of the article you are nominating.

(+3)
Support
 * 1) I worked really hard on this. Don't be too brutal. —Tommy9281 ( Surely you can do better! ) 22:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 20:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Greyman  http://images.wikia.com/central/images/9/9c/Jan.png ( Talk ) 22:56, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) From Greyman:
 * 2) * I'm glad that you've got how the use references down pat, but you don't need to necessarily use double references for everything like you've done. If the information is the same in both sources, just pick one appearance/source to use instead of over-referencing.
 * 3) **Addressed.
 * 4) * From looking at it, I get the feeling that large parts of the article is essentially written as a play-by-play. If you can tap someone who is good with copy-editing, that might help.
 * 5) **Addressed&mdash;I think. I'll talk to you about this part in the IRC.
 * 6) * Along the same lines as the above objection, a copy-edit would really help out. Words that I'm not even sure about, such as "psionically" can be found scattered throughout the article. Likewise, it's generally considered bad-prose to start sentences with "Because". Another thing that sticks out to me are sentences such as, "The battle was over. Many, many Jedi perished in the skirmish, but all of the droids were destroyed." Like I said, you might want to get a good copy-editor to read through the article for you, if you're not sure what to fix.
 * 7) **Addressed&mdash;Still awaiting a good copy-edit, but everything was rectified according to the objection.
 * 8) * A large part of the article is actually about the Battle of Deneba, which we have an article on already. This article should be about the Conclave on Deneba (which you've managed to cover in a good amount of detail/length). However, the Battle of Deneba should only be a paragraph or two at the most, basically explaining that it interrupted the conclave, and therefore helped force Ulic to go through with his proposed plan. Consequently, you shouldn't go into a great amount of detail about the actual battle itself. Instead, you might want to think about using at the beginning of that particular section, so that readers will be directed to the actual article concerning that battle.
 * 9) **Addressed&mdash;I removed the bulk of the Battle section, & added the tag.
 * 10) * To me, there are just too many pictures scattered throughout the article&mdash;enough so that they interfere with the article's layout. For example, in the "Background" section, you have used three pictures, with two literally on top each other. Once you condense the sections on the Battle of Deneba to what I've mentioned above, you'll probably find that you will have even more of a surplus of pictures as well.
 * 11) **Addressed.
 * 12) * In the infobox, you need to list the location as Mount Meru; Deneba.
 * 13) **Addressed.
 * 14) * Likewise, in the infobox, the outcome of the Conclave on Deneba was not the death of Arca Jeth&mdash;his death was one of the outcomes of the Battle of Deneba.
 * 15) **Addressed.
 * 16) * The outcome field in the infobox should state what was decided by the Jedi assembly at the conclave. You could even say something along the lines of, "Ulic Qel-Droma sent to infiltrate the Krath", as an example.
 * 17) **Addressed.
 * 18) * Infobox again: in the Participants section you list Vima Sunrider, but then in parentheses you say (Not a participant). She needs to be removed from that list, in my opinion, since she didn't actually take part in the conclave&mdash;she was simply there, as a small child, because her mother was involved with the conclave. Likewise, you need to make mention that there were "thousands of other Jedi present" or something, since it is known that that several thousand congregated on Mount Meru.
 * 19) **Addressed.
 * 20) * Infobox: In the "Affiliations involved" section, I would suggest removing the "Entire" comment, since I don't believe that any appearance or source states for a fact if the "Entire Jedi Order" was present. Simply stating in that field the "Jedi Order" will be enough.
 * 21) **Addressed.
 * 22) * Once a copy-edit can be preformed, I'll give it another read through :) Keep up the good work, Tommy, and I hope that these (and other comments/objections from others) will/have helped you along the way :) Cheers, Greyman  http://images.wikia.com/central/images/9/9c/Jan.png ( Talk ) 01:35, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 23) **Copy-edited. 19:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 24) From Jorrel Fraajic
 * 25) * You list Shayoto as a notable participant, but he is given only a brief mention in the article itself. Maybe some more on what he said, etc?
 * 26) **Addressed&mdash;Actually, though Shayoto's role was significant, he really didn't say much, and whatever he said I covered so as to be thorough.
 * 27) ***Alright, cool. I haven't read the comic (or any TOTJ for that matter), so I had no idea. Thanks for taking care of it.
 * 28) * Any chance you could expand the intro, if only by a couple more sentences? It just looks very, very short in comparison to the available information.
 * 29) **Addressed.
 * 30) ***Good work. Added a sentence about Ulic's affairs after the conclave's termination.
 * That's all I can see. Good read. 19:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Taken care of. 20:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * Thanks Greyman. I've gone through & fixed everything you cited, now I'm just waiting for the copy-editor... —Tommy9281 ( Lússë i Morë Hwesta súya! ) 23:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Any particular reason you're not taking this to FA? I mean, it seems pretty in-depth, and is formatted and referenced and long enough to qualify (at least at a cursory glance) - plus, even with my lack of knowledge of all things TOTJ, everything is presented in such a way that it all makes sense, even if you have no idea what exactly may have gone on, which is a testament to the amount of backstory you have in there. 19:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * FA is in the works, just taking baby steps first. Thanks a lot Jorrel for looking. —Tommy9281 ( Lússë i Morë Hwesta súya! ) 20:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. 20:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

(+4)
Support
 * 1) QuentinGeorge 11:54, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Kilson 22:47, 16 April 08 (UTC)
 * 3) Copy-edited. —Tommy9281 ( Lússë i Morë Hwesta súya! ) 01:48, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Go Bachs. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Minor objection, but the information in the succession box at the bottom needs to be sourced like you would with an infobox. Other than that, the article reads well :)  Greyman  http://images.wikia.com/central/images/9/9c/Jan.png ( Talk ) 02:06, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Toprawa:
 * 3) *Please add a little bit to give the thought bomb some context as to what it is here: "she abandoned her fellow Sith Lords when she learned of Kaan's desire to use the thought bomb"
 * 4) Looks like someone has already taken care of that. QuentinGeorge 23:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) *The paragraph beginning "Bane survived using the dark side to purge" really digresses from the central theme of this article - Githany - and large parts are highly irrelevant. I would suggest cutting out the fat
 * 6) I agree. Not sure why that was there. QuentinGeorge 23:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) *This is introduced very roughly, and needs to be explained - what is the thought bomb, who is unleashing it, what is its intended purpose? "The thought bomb was about to be unleashed"
 * 8) **Fixed by me; I am the "somebody else" that QG refers to.-- Goodwood [[Image:Redstarbird.svg|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 12:15, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) *Please elaborate on this a little bit. Her true thoughts concerning what? "Despite her extroverted personality, Githany kept her true feelings closely guarded."
 * 10) Ok. QuentinGeorge 23:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) *Need to avoid this speculation. If you can't reword this to do, I would suggest removing this sentence entirely: "Githany most likely held the same powers and abilities of most Jedi or Sith of her time."
 * 12) Gone. QuentinGeorge 23:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) *The information under the "Appearance" section should be merged with the "Personality and traits."
 * 14) Disagree with that, but if that's what the MoS says, I will do so. QuentinGeorge 23:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) *I'm not sure where this quote is coming from, but it needs to be attributed to someone. I would suggest paraphrasing this instead for cleaner prose: "perfect examples of the human female form."
 * 16) That's exactly how PoD describes her. QuentinGeorge 23:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 17) *Please cut the speculation: "which may have been of Sith design."
 * 18) Ok. QuentinGeorge 23:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 19) *Ditto on the speculation: "feelings no doubt enhanced by Kaan's potent mind manipulation abilities."
 * 20) That's exactly what the book says. Kaan uses his mind manipulation to increase her attraction to her. QuentinGeorge 23:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 21) *Your "Kaan" and "Darovit" subsections under the "Relationships" section are unnecessary. Such a section should be reserved for serious romantic relationships, not an individual analysis of every person she interacted with. You may choose to rewrite and insert some of this information into the P&T. Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:16, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 22) That rule is totally ridiculous and stupid, considering Kaan and Darovit are not just "people she interacts with", but looks like someone already deleted that so I will leave it. QuentinGeorge 23:45, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * Just a little formatting pointer, always make sure you put punctuation before reference tags. Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:16, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

(+0)
Support
 * 1) Seems to fit the requirements. The prose might be a little watery, but that could easily be remedied. Din&#39;s Fire 997 00:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) The article and the infobox need to be fully sourced, please.  Greyman  http://images.wikia.com/central/images/9/9c/Jan.png ( Talk ) 20:13, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * 2) *How's that? Din&#39;s Fire 997 00:54, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) **Per Rule 2(a). It can be confusing if you're not familiar with it, but here is the sourcing page, which provide steps to follow. Greyman  http://images.wikia.com/central/images/9/9c/Jan.png ( Talk ) 01:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) ***Better? (thanks for the link, btw. This whole process is really expanding my skills, if nothing else) Din&#39;s Fire 997 01:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) ****Good, I'm glad to hear it! It looks much better, and the only thing you need to source now is this statement, "However, it did not gain notoriety until it was taken as a refuge by rogue Sith Lord Darth Millennial." Otherwise, the sourcing is complete. Greyman  http://images.wikia.com/central/images/9/9c/Jan.png ( Talk ) 01:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) *****Needed a minor rephrase, but it's sourced now. Din&#39;s Fire 997 01:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) Toprawa:
 * 8) * Din, right now the article is just too short. These one sentence paragraph haphazardly summarizing events should be fleshed out to the length of paragraphs.
 * 9) * Additionally, the article should be ordered to fit within our Layout Guide. If you go that page and go down to number 11, you'll see how a planet article should be sectioned. I would also recommend you take a look at Agamar, a recently passed Featured Article. That's just how a planet article should be done. You can use that as a model. Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:07, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) * In that case, you'll need to add the bit in the intro to the body of the article as well. I can't say never, but an article should almost never have intro material not covered in the body someplace. Once in a blue moon an exception will rear its ugly head, but this is certainly not one of them. Toprawa and Ralltiir 05:27, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) **Adressed all of that, I believe. Heck, I'm pretty sure this is technically long enough to be an FA now (not pushing my luck though). If there's anything else, I'll do it - I've come this far. Din&#39;s Fire 997 06:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) ***I must say, Din, although I haven't read through it yet, I'm impressed. Just how it should look, at any rate. I'll review it soon. :) Toprawa and Ralltiir 15:38, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) *Would be good to add a little bit here, to say it was located in Sith Space: " was the third planet in the Dromund system"
 * 14) *Please give a time frame (i.e. year) to give this greater context: "The site of a major battle during the New Sith Wars"
 * 15) *Weasel words like "possibly" and "apparently" are doorways to speculation, which is a big no-no when writing articles. If you can't reword to avoid the "possibly," I would suggest removing that little clause entirely: "for centuries, possibly even millennia"
 * 16) *What, specifically, does "average-sized" mean? In relation to what? Does the source say this, or are you extrapolating this from something? Greater clarification, specification would help here: "Dromund Kaas was an average-sized planet"
 * 17) *Again, "seemed" is one of these weasel words. Something either did or didn't. Write what you know: "Only very durable life-forms seemed to survive long in the swamps"
 * 18) *Please briefly describe who Kaan is here. Don't assume the reader knows who anyone is: "and Kaan's New Sith Empire"
 * 19) *Specify, with years, what these times in history were: "During varying points in history, Dromund Kaas was held by both the Old Sith Empire and Kaan's New Sith Empire."
 * 20) *Again, a year, please: "However, it was effectively abandoned until it became a refuge for rogue Sith Lord Darth Millennial"
 * 21) *Explain what the Rule of Two here is: "Having rejected the Rule of Two"
 * 22) *Year/time frame, please: "until its rediscovery by one Darth Sidious"
 * 23) *This sentence is highly speculative. Please reword to avoid saying "It is believed." Does the source explicitly say someone believed this? If so, who? "It is believed that Yoda may have personally investigated the system, however any such mission would have been known only to the highest ranks of the Jedi, and any records of the project have been lost."
 * 24) *Can we elaborate on this battle? If not, at the very least create an article for this battle, please: "Despite this level of secrecy, the 327th Star Corps would later fight a battle on Dromund Kaas during the Clone Wars"
 * 25) *Can we elaborate on what inscriptions these were: "learned of the planet from ancient inscriptions"
 * 26) *Please provide a date here. I'm almost certain it's 10 ABY: "until Jedi Knight Kyle Katarn learned of the planet from ancient inscriptions."
 * 27) *Calling these things abominations is pretty POV. Please choose a better word: "and battled many Sith abominations"
 * 28) *Please elaborate on what exactly Dark Mara is: "along with the apparition known as Dark Mara"
 * 29) *What, exactly, is an act of faith? "an act of faith in Katarn's heart"
 * 30) *Please reword the beginning of this sentence to avoid starting out with dead construction like "At this." At what? "At this, Katarn was able to overthrow the dark taint of the Temple,"
 * 31) *Not an objection, but a pointer. Linking should be done as followed: Link upon first mention in the intro and once again upon first mention in the body, and then avoid linking something again for the remainder of the article
 * 32) *Timeframes, please: "Built during the original Sith Empire, the Temple was deserted shortly after the Great Hyperspace War"
 * 33) *Who is Seviss Vaa? "the Temple's location eventually fell into the hands of Seviss Vaa"
 * 34) *Please add a little bit to the beginning of the BTS explaining where it first appeared in SW media.
 * 35) *Without checking, I suspect your source list may be out of order. It should be ordered by OOU publication date. Please check.
 * 36) *Overall, not bad, Din. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:05, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 37) **Adressed a lot of that, but there's a fair amount that simply can't be.
 * 38) **Dates are impossible in many cases. We don't knew when, exactly, any of these battles took place, and, since we don't know when Darth Millennial was even alive saying when he landed is also out.
 * 39) **"Only very durable life-forms seemed to survive long in the swamps" In fact, that is avoiding speculation. The only life-forms we've seen on Kaas are durable, but we can't use a blanket statment here. Hence "seemed." Of course, if "until otherwise proven" is okay, then I'll alter it.
 * 40) **To quote the original source "It's believed that Yoda may have visited the Dromund system." Doesn't say by whom.
 * 41) ** Nothing can be done about the "ancient inscriptions." We don't know when, where, or what they consisted of. It seems I was mistaken. JvS says 9 ABY.
 * 42) **Again, directly from Wizards.com "Kyle Katarn traveled there after learning of the witchworld in ancient inscriptions, battling a host of Sith abominations in the planet's seemingly endless bogs before succumbing to the spell of the dark side of the Force." That's what they're called. Abominations.
 * 43) **Not much can be added about Dark Mara. She was a spirit with a lightsaber. The end. If you can think of a way to add that bit without breaking up the prose, by all means, alter.
 * 44) **Act of faith is a real-world term
 * 45) **Anything else? I admit this is tiring, but darn it, I am getting this bloody thing through if it kills me.Din&#39;s Fire 997 03:25, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 46) From the Bridge of Chack Jadson:
 * 47) * I agree with Toprawa. The article has too many two sentence paragraphs.
 * 48) * Also, check out the layout guie like he suggested. Model the article to fit that, and it will be much improved.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:07, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Well, seeing that no one has changed their vote to a positive one (even though I have addressed almost every addressable concern) I will assume that interest has waned (not surprising given recent policy battles regarding GA status) and will wait for the inevitable failure of this nomination. After a cool-down period, I intend to re-nominate. In any case, at least I’ve learned a bit from this endeavor. Cheers. Din&#39;s Fire 997 01:03, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

(+3)
Support
 * 1) I don't know, he might have a chance Kilson 23:00, 16 April 08 (UTC)
 * 2) Interesting enough, it gets my vote. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 07:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Object Comments
 * 1) Toprawa:
 * 2) * Please familiarize yourself with our Layout Guide to see how a character article should be "laid out." Your intro must be greatly expanded, needs a P&T section, and a BTS couldn't hurt. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:33, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) **I have enlarged the intro and added a small BTS, but I find it a little pointless to add a P&T because we don't really know much about the character becides what's in the biography. Also, at least five GA characters that don't have P&Ts: Lii, Imperial Ace, Dorsk 81, Luminara Unduli, and Uldir Lochett. I honestly believe that this article should be a good article.
 * 4) ***Nonsense. A character article should never go without a P&T. Previously passed GANs without them, doesn't make the trend right. It means they passed before I started reviewing. ;) Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:52, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) ****Yeah. Every character has a Personality, even if you can only write several lines on it. You should check out Chertyl Ruluwoor (Human), a Galaxies NPC article I wrote (if only for amusement), to get an idea of how to write a P&T on a character with such little info. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 22:13, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) *****OK, the P&T has been made, and thanks Ackbar for the Chertyl Ruluwoor (Human) page, it help a little. Kilson 15:26, 18 April 08 (UTC)
 * 7) * Why, exactly, are we speculating that Geonosis may be his homeworld? Simply because he's Geonosian? If nothing in the game besides that supports this possibility, this needs to go.
 * 8) ** I'm still not positive anything specifically says he's from Geonosis. If the game doesn't explicitly say this, we can't assume.
 * 9) ***Sorry about that, I thought I got rid of Geonosis, I must have missed it. Kilson likes PIE 21:04, 6 May 08 (UTC)
 * 10) * Also, how, specifically, is he "affiliated" with Kachirho? It would seem more pertinent to affiliate him with something akin to his scientist dealings, but since we don't know that, it's probably best to leave this blank as well
 * 11) * Your biography section starts out very rough, with little transition. It needs a better beginning sentence explaining who and what the character is.
 * 12) * We'll deal with the remainder of the prose when you handle these objections. Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:48, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) **OK, I got it done, I hope it's good now Kilson 16:21, 28 April 08 (UTC)
 * 14) * Speculation needs to go: "possibly because the research there was starting to become less peaceful and ethical"
 * 15) * This is speculative wording. Remove the weasel word "apparently" and better reword it to read more factually: "Apparently the patrol had found him unconscious in the woods with documents stating a vile plan to do harmful experiments on many Wookiees."
 * 16) * Please add a little context to explain who this Ovarra is: "The spacer returned to Kachiro and brought the documents to Elder Ovarra"
 * 17) * The P&T doesn't read very encyclopedic, and seems to be laden with Original Research. Please rewrite
 * 18) **The P&T as you had it was much better than the changed, so I put it back. Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 19) * Please order the categories at the bottom of the page by alphabetic order Toprawa and Ralltiir 05:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 20) **Got it, and if your going to add anything else, please add it all together and not at different times. It would make things quicker. Kilson 23:40, 10 May 08 (UTC)
 * 21) ***This way is easier for me because, with all due respect, I don't know who you are, and too many newcomers will come to the GAN page with a nomination only to leave and never come back again. As such, performing a complete review ends up being a waste of my time. Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:05, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 22) ****I understand, and thanks, I think this has actually helped me. I think it will have and easier time the next time I try to get an article nominated.
 * 23) In the intro, can you add a reference to the timeframe for these events? --Eyrezer 08:37, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And, Kilson, we don't add bullets to the BTS anymore. Please avoid that. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:56, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Is it possible to get a second picture for this article? --Eyrezer 08:42, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

(+3)
Support
 * Yes, that's the best picture of him. Thefourdotelipsis 07:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 1)  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  19:05, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Very nice. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:17, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Explain who Zannen is in the intro. Two more words would suffice.  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  22:19, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) *Done. Thefourdotelipsis 08:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) I actually think that pic should be in the main body, not the infobox. --Eyrezer 01:39, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) *I'd argue the point, but it doesn't hurt. ;) Thefourdotelipsis 08:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) **Lol. --Eyrezer 01:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Toprawa:
 * 7) * Little descriptor for who Zannen is, please: "Following an incident that resulted in the death of Zannen's wife"
 * 8) **The only thing we really know about him is that he became a Governor, so I've added a repeat of what's in the main body.
 * 9) ***Perfect.
 * 10) * This kind of reads funny. Could you reword it a little?: "Palpatine locked himself in office and made himself Emperor"
 * 11) **Deliberate reference to...the ANH novel, I think. But it's gone now. Just reads "Palpatine made himself Emperor."
 * 12) ***Hmm, I thought it sounded kind of familiar. Thanks anyways.
 * 13) * I think you may have forgotten to add something to the end of this sentence, as it's incomplete. Send them what/where? "Tantrellius began searching through official channels for a ransom message, while sending the Rebels, as well as Plum's friend, Grree L'Tharr, and Podd."
 * 14) **Yes, I did forget. Fixed.
 * 15) * Little context here, please. "The criminal Gamusha," or something: "Yuma had arranged to be "kidnapped" by Gamusha's" Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:08, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 16) **Added. Thefourdotelipsis 08:48, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * Could use a smidge more context in the intro (and maybe even in the body) about who Zannen is and why the incident was traumatic. Assuming said context exists. I don't have the article, which is why this is a comment and not an opposing point. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 14:45, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No real context on that, sorry. Thefourdotelipsis 08:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

(+2)
Support
 * 1) Thefourdotelipsis 06:51, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Ozzel 07:08, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

Comments
 * Do we not have any redlink requirements for GAs? --Eyrezer 20:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't see them, if they're there.. Thefourdotelipsis 07:34, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

(+3)
Support
 * 1) To go with my FA, Tirog. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 03:13, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Pretty well written! Purplegethos 22:23, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Glad to get this one hatched out. :) Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose for two lines only. --Eyrezer 13:23, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Toprawa:
 * 2) * Please expand the introduction a little bit. It should be a paragraph of some kind
 * 3) ** I'll see what I can do. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 22:26, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) *** Added a couple of sentences. If there's anything specific you think should be added, please let me know (or try adding it yourself.) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 23:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) ****I would still prefer a little bit more, but it's ok.
 * 6) ***** Like I say, he's not a very complicated man. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 12:13, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) * The "Skills and abilities" section really should be the "Personality and traits." Recommended that you rename it as such
 * 8) ** No, those are his skills (good pilot, good marksman) rather than personality traits (likes to fight...that's the only one he seems to have, which is why I didn't write one.) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 11:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) *** Nevertheless, I added a P&T paragraph based on this one trait. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 23:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) ****That's all it needs, really. ;) Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:46, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) * This is kinda OR-ish. Does the source say this exactly? "and more generally knowledgeable than the average bounty hunter."
 * 12) ** It says he increased his "knowledge" attribute. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 11:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) ***I'm not sure that necessarily means he's "smarter than the average bear." What if you said something like, "he grew wiser because of his experiences" or something?
 * 14) **** It's not that he "grew wiser", it's that all his academic-type skills went up a bit. Any increase in common sense or wisdom would have come through in personality changes over time.  Since he has little personality or chronological biography, we can't say that. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 12:13, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) *****Well, I don't think that means he's smarter than the average bounty hunter. That would definitely be OR to assume that. I invite you to discuss this with me in IRC. Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 16) ****** You're right, that would assume his starting Knowledge attribute represented general intelligence equal to or greater than the average bounty hunter. Game mechanically, it is, but treating that as objective fact is stretching it.  How about just "more generally knowledgeable than he was as a rookie"? &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 00:53, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 17) *******Perfect. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 18) * The last three sentences of the Equipment section gets kind of listy, just spewing facts. Try to "prosify" it a bit more
 * 19) ** Do you refer to the description of his arsenal or the speculative sentences which I removed? &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 22:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 20) ***This here. I feel like I'm literally reading his RPG stats out of the book: "Thannik wore a protective vest and a jetpack. Thannik carried about 1000 credits with him. In case of emergency, he also carried two medpacs."
 * 21) **** Made less listy. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 13:00, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 22) *****Much better. Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 23) * This is really heavy speculation and needs to be rewritten to more appropriately fit tone. If this cannot be done, this needs to be removed, or perhaps moved into a "speculation section" in the BTS: "Thannik's ship may have been Thannik's Thunder, a class 720 freighter which Thannik's associate Rhen is known to have flown. If Thannik's Thunder was the hunter's ship, Thannik may have been present when Rhen flew the freighter against pirates flying Z-95 Headhunters or against Imperial TIE fighters.  He may also have been on board when Thannik's Thunder was captured by the tractor beams of an Imperial I-class Star Destroyer."
 * 24) ** If his friend flies a ship named after him, which is of the same class as a ship he is known to have owned, I think the first sentence doesn't go beyond reasonable speculation. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 11:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 25) ***If it can't be rewritten to avoid speculation and is otherwise "solid speculation," it should be put in the BTS somewhere, instead of speculating within the article. Anything you removed can still be salvaged and put in the BTS. Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:46, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 26) **** I'm going to ask for a second opinion on this. I don't think it goes beyond an unacceptable level of speculation. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 12:13, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 27) ***** Ok...? This isn't really a debate. We don't add speculation to articles. It's kind of our rule. As such, we've made it an accepted practice to add hypothetical things like this to the BTS so as not to ignore them entirely. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:18, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 28) ****** We put in speculation all the time, it's just that it's usually put in articles no one tries running by Inquisitors. (Here's a random article with speculation in the lead, but you can probably find others.) Though I can think of clear-cut cases where I'd allow very limited speculation, I am perhaps being too lenient here.  I'll move it to BtS unless someone tells me to move it back. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 19:02, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 29) *******I've replaced the rest of that text that you removed. It's all perfect BTS material. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:33, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 30) * The BTS quote should be formatted to Quote format, not Dialogue, per our quote "policy"
 * 31) ** Please refresh my memory: I don't see that in the Manual of Style or the Layout Guide. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 22:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 32) ***Supposedly we have one, per a conversation I've had in IRC. I can't find it at the moment, but you might ask Hydro. Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:46, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 33) ****To weigh in on this, the CT is here. I've also added a link to it on the MOS page so future reference. There was still some debate over quotes for more than two people, but we seem to be settled on using the
 * 1) ***** OK. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 13:34, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) * This doesn't read well. I'm not sure if this is even a sentence. Please rewrite: "These include from examples of group play," Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) **It is a sentence, just one with an extraneous word (from). Easily fixed. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 11:04, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) ***Ok, I wasn't sure. :) Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * I know there's no "Personality" section. Unlike Tirog, there's not all that much "in-character" dialog for Thannik, so there's not all that much I could think of to say. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 03:13, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Does not it need an infobox? Domlith 15:46, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I tend not to add them when I can't fill out more than a handful of fields. Anyway, there's one now. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 22:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

(+3)
Support
 * 1) To go with my FA, Tirog. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) --Eyrezer 03:16, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Good. Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:18, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Toprawa
 * 2) * Please remove this speculation. The identical "blue sun" should be enough to let the reader come to his own assumption: "possibly the same marketplace GT-9R visited with Tirog."
 * 3) ** Done. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 21:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) * I can't really cite policy on this one, but please consider changing the title of the "Personality & traits" section to "Characteristics" in light of this being a droid character. This is the direction our recent droid character FAs are going.
 * 5) ** If that's how we're writing droid character articles now, OK. I'm not sure why we should have a different layout for organic and non-organic characters, though. (Droid models should have a different layout from typical character articles, obviously.) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 21:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) * You're kind of backpedaling on what you're saying here, which tells me you're unsure based on the evidence and may potentially be extrapolating. Please reword as appropriate: "GT-9R did not enjoy combat. Even if he did" Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:22, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) ** No, I'm not, but I can see where you'd get that impression. The intention there was to say that even if he had enjoyed combat (which was not the case) he wasn't programmed to use weapons. Reworded  to "He would not have been a capable combatant anyway, since his programming did not allow him to use weapons." &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 21:26, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) ***Ah, yes. I misread it then. Good clarification. Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:18, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * This one has a P&T section, but no skills section (presumably he had standard protocol droid skills, but it's not specifically stated in either book.) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

(+4)
Support
 * 1)  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  00:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Second. —Tommy9281 ( Safe harbor, my friend. ) 00:06, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:20, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) I made a change on the presumption Sheyvan was not cloned as well. --Eyrezer 06:21, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) *Correct. Thanks.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 14:05, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Toprawa:
 * 2) * Brief descriptor for Lekauf here, please: "Vader, with the aid of Erv Lekauf,"
 * 3) **Fixed.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 20:02, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) A better decription for the duelling image could be added. Otherwise, fine.  Darth Xadún ( Consult the Holocron ) 11:59, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) *Fixed.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 19:35, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * Yeah, the image is horrendous. Nothing that can be done about that.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't think the image was that bad. —Tommy9281 ( Safe harbor, my friend. ) 00:06, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

(+3)
Support
 * 1) Havac 19:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:07, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 3)  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  00:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Toprawa:
 * 2) * I'm not sure if you're trying to leave the "suspense" in here, but please specify that they were kidnapped by Imp Intel, or whatever the case is. It makes the rest of the article clearer: "Around ten months after the Battle of Endor, Fyric was kidnapped from the estate."
 * 3) **It's not about suspense, really, so much as just not overloading on information all at once. Two paragraphs later, it says Ilir Post was the leader of the Intelligence-backed kidnappers. I could move some stuff around if you still don't like it, though. Havac 16:24, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) ***Not entirely important, but you might consider moving it. My own stupidity aside, I had to read through it twice before I really understood what happened Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:07, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) ****I went ahead and tinkered with it. Havac 21:13, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) * I realize the briefness of her involvement in anything, but please see if you can't expand the P&T by at least another sentence, if only for the sake of avoiding the one-sentence paragraph. Toprawa and Ralltiir 05:21, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) **Expanded. Havac 16:24, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments

(+3)
Support
 * 1) Havac 22:12, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Am I wrong to wish death upon all child characters? Toprawa and Ralltiir 07:25, 9 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Ozzel 19:32, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

Comments

(+3)
Support
 * 1) Thank the Maker, more ESB CCG characters! Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:29, 8 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) There is a bit of repetition between the bio and characteristics sections, but I'm not sure it can be fixed. -- Eyrezer 06:27, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Darth Xadún ( Consult the Holocron ) 08:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) * I feel the words 'flamboyant' and 'moody' are repeated too often for the size of the article. I recommend replacing a few with suitably various words. Other than than, fine. Darth Xadún ( Consult the Holocron ) 12:10, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) **I've reworded one of the "moody's." I've used these words as are because these are the terms canonically used to describe him. I'm hesitant to substitute a synonym that may not fully capture the true meanings of those two words. Also, "flamboyant" is only used twice, once in the bio, and once in the P&T. Traditionally, we accept some repetition between the two sections, although short articles like this have an unfortunate way of exposing this to a somewhat uncomfortable degree, as Eyrezer has noted above. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:30, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) *** Ok. I suppose it was a bit picky really. Darth Xadún ( Consult the Holocron ) 08:29, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments

(+5)
Support
 * 1) --Eyrezer 13:07, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Seems complete. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 13:23, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Appears to cover all the bases. jSarek 11:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Cull Tremayne 06:46, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose Comments
 * 1) Toprawa:
 * 2) * A few little things. To keep uniform with our other articles, I think it would be more appropriate to just list "Galactic Empire" in infobox affiliation field.
 * 3) * "maniacal pirates" may be a bit POVish. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:04, 10 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) **Fixed both. Maniacal was used in the source, but by its very nature it is POV so removed. --Eyrezer 00:48, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

(+5)
Support
 * 1) ESB characters Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Toprawa and Ralltiir are in this article.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 18:22, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) *Part of why I tackled this one. :) Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:44, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Domlith 20:48, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) One comment, but I suspect it's easily dealt with. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:08, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) Yeay Pharl! jSarek 22:38, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) "Then-Commander" - I think that's reading too much into the CCG card, which I believe merely is indicating his command position within the Alliance, not a formal rank. jSarek 11:16, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) *Very well. I had considered the same, but went with it anyways to be safe. Removed. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:50, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * Many, many thanks to JSarek for digging up the archive of McQuarrie's interview. Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Isn't "Alliance brass" a bit too informal? &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:08, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You got it. Reworded. Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:02, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

(+4)
Support
 * 1) I've done a good amount of work on this article. A lot of referencing. -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk 04:43, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Inspected via AIM and all my quarrels have been taken care of. --Squishy Vic (discussion) (contributions) 05:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Sure, well sourced, good expansion Enochf 17:56, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Certified by the board of Ataru. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 03:27, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) My objections have been satisfied. 03:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Toprawa:
 * 2) * Kinda don't know where to start with this one, so I'll begin by saying let's not just vote on articles because we like the concept of the article itself.
 * 3) * That being said, this isn't even an article. It's a stub with sourcing.
 * 4) **Much better! Now we have an article on our hands. :) Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:32, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) * The intro needs to be expanded.
 * 6) **--It's been expanded. -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk
 * 7) * The first paragraph of the history section isn't sourced.
 * 8) **--Its sourced now. -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk
 * 9) * There really shouldn't be any information restrictive to the infobox.
 * 10) **--I believe all info in the infobox is included within the article. (excluding eras, of course)
 * 11) * There's no section describing the droid model.
 * 12) ** --Created. -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk
 * 13) * There's no BTS.
 * 14) **--Now there is. -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk
 * 15) * Your source list doesn't appropriately match the Notes and references. Toprawa and Ralltiir 05:27, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 16) **--I've fixed that. -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk
 * 17) *The first section should be titled "Characteristics" (Done.) -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk
 * 18) *Now you don't have a "History" section (Added.)-- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk
 * 19) *"Design flaws" should be a subsection of the new "Characteristics" section, not it's own section (Done.) -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk
 * 20) *Introduction should not be sourced in this case. Intro should not have any info not also found in the article body. (Fixed.)-- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk
 * 21) *I'm not sure why you sourced the non-canon appearances. (All of your quarrels listed have been fixed.) -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:59, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 22) As Tope has said, this surely needs major expansion before GA ready. --Eyrezer 06:14, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 23) There are appearances in the source list, and, puzzlingly, things repeated in both lists. Thefourdotelipsis 06:41, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 24) *Is that bad? -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk 06:47, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 25) **Quite. I touched it up for you, though. Also, for future reference, sourcebooks, such as RPG materials and books like the Essential Guides and Visual Dictionaries go in the ==Source== field, and novels, comics, books, and video games go in the ==Appearances== field. 15:42, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 26) From Jorrel Fraajic
 * 27) * Are you sure on some of those sources? If Ep. III was its first appearance, how did it appear in Ep. II? Also, I'm almost positive both Lego Star Wars entries aren't accurate; unless it states somewhere in the booklet or Prima guide that they are Q-series, they didn't "technically" make an appearance. I'm pretty sure this applies to many of your sources (FoC, being another one - if it does appear there, let me know).
 * 28) * A lot of this information seems to apply as a general overview of the Droideka, not specifically the Q-series. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 * 29) **Those are the two major ones I see. Sourcing-wise, it's very good. How accurate the sources are, however, could be a different matter. 15:42, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 30) ***--The original model of the droideka was very similar to the Q-series droideka, that's why a lot of the info seems to be a general of overview of the droideka. Also, the Prima Official Guide for LEGO Star Wars: The Video Game and the guide for LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga both list the droideka model as Q-series. I forgot to source this, and will do it now. Thirdly, it was my mistake adding AotC in the appearances. Lastly, the Q-series droideka was the main droideka model manufactured after the Battle of Coruscant featured in RotS, the source being the novel I recently read, but I also forgot to source this; that's why most appearances are after the time of RotS. Thanks for notifying me. What is FoC, though? --  Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk 16:11, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 31) ****Alright, that's good. Now that things are source, it makes more sense. Had not known about the Prima guides, so good to that as well. Also, FoC = Empire at War: Forces of Corruption. 16:21, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 32) *I'll remove that. Is there anything else? (I'm currently creating the article LEGO Star Wars: The Complete Saga: Prima Official Game Guide so I can source the game.) -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk 16:30, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 33) **I see nothing else. And good, with both the creation and removal. ;). 03:28, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 34) From the desk of Atarumaster88
 * 35) * I didn't change this because I wasn't sure, but I'm used to seeing the Confederacy abbreviated as "CIS", not "C.I.S." If it's that way in the source, then keep it.
 * 36) * Need a bit more context on the Colicoids in the intro. Doesn't quite flow very well where the way it's currently structured.
 * 37) * If possible, detail what exactly was upgraded from W-series to Q-series.
 * 38) * From what I've played of Republic Commando, I don't recall them identifying the droidekas as Q-series specifically. Correct me if I'm wrong.
 * 39) **All information, such as the droideka dispenser bit, that's referenced from Republic Commando will need to be removed if the droids in question are not actually Q-series.
 * 40) * Present tense in the Design Flaws section is absolutely unacceptable.
 * 41) * Kindly check with other droid GAs to ensure that you're following precedent on organization/sectioning. I'm not sure, but I have a sneaky suspicion that it's not exactly in line.
 * 42) * "Additionally, there were limits when a droideka could fire at a target." Reword this sentence. I get what you're going for, but there has to be a better way to say it.
 * 43) * While this might not be a concern for GA, it'd be nice to have Galaxies information included in the article. (From Star Wars Galaxies: An Empire Divided)
 * 44) *Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 19:30, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 45) I hate to be Imp, but that second image is distorted as hell and just overall horrible. It needs to be reuploaded or ditched. Havac 02:33, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * I'll note that while a Behind the scenes (BTS) is often preferred in articles, a BTS is not required per the current GAN rules. It's fine to ask if one can be created using any available information, but it's not a requirement, per se. Greyman  @wikiajanitor ( Talk ) 05:34, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * A stub worth sourcing? I've seen shorter articles than this. -- Joe Butler Obi Maul12   talk 05:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you remove your opposition, or what else needs to be done? -- Joe Butler Obi Maul12   talk 06:36, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Obimaul, you should never touch or edit another person's comments on a page without his or her permission. I originally posted my comment above because that's where I wanted it to be seen. Please don't move it into the "Comments" section like you did. Also, my objections will not be "removed." You will know when they are no longer in effect when they are stricken, as the first two currently are. And, only I can strike my own objections. A nominator should never do that himself. Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:50, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright, sorry. -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)   talk 12:47, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Quick question to the GA faithfull: Are there guidelines on how sources are "implied" or not? 15:42, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

(+2)
Support
 * 1) Another short (300+ word) article nom --Eyrezer 06:14, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Toprawa and Ralltiir 05:19, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose Comments
 * 1) Toprawa:
 * 2) * If you could expand the intro at all to make it a short little paragraph, that would be ideal.
 * 3) **Done my best.
 * 4) * Can we elaborate on this at all, or otherwise clarify? I kind of understand, but am not entirely clear on what expansive gestures are: "their typically expansive gestures."
 * 5) **Added a tiny bit but we're not really given any info.
 * 6) * Please elaborate a bit on what the "controversy" was; doesn't have to be too in-depth: "during the controversy over the Caamas Document" Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:42, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) ** We actually have an article on the Caamas Document Crisis: would it be a more appropriate link? &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 16:09, 11 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) ***Gave some context and incorporated the crisis link. --Eyrezer 04:06, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Just a note on these "expansive gestures." I came upon the same phrase in That's Entertainment: The Tale of Salacious Crumb last night. In reference to Crumb, the author writes, "'Go on!, go on!' the creature responded with an expansive gesture." I guess expansive gestures are a "thing," of which I am unfamiliar? Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:55, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Lol, I presume it means waving your hands around a lot while you talk! :) --Eyrezer 03:04, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

(+4)
Support
 * 1) As nominator. I've expanded this article from little more than a stub.  This is my first attempt at a Good Article, so all comments are appreciated. -  Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 23:36, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Nicely done, though see my below comment :) Greyman  @wikiajanitor ( Talk ) 01:12, 13 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Now awaiting the FA nom for this article.  Darth Xadún ( Consult the Holocron ) 08:45, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Good to have another up-and-comer. Keep it up mate, you'll go far!-- Goodwood [[Image:Redstarbird.svg|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 12:14, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose Just little things, I know. But i wholeheartedly agree with Greyman on an FAN for this article once it hits GA. Darth Xadún ( Consult the Holocron ) 08:59, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) From the Holocrom of Xadún...
 * 2) * Intro second paragraph - strike 'still a military officer'. It's unnecessary as it's obvious he was if he was promoted again ;)
 * 3) **Reworded.
 * 4) * The first refernce to 'X-wings' in the 'Arrival of the Farstar' Section needs linking.
 * 5) **Linked. It was already linked to under the "strange aircraft" piped link, but it was an oblique reference.
 * 6) * Alter the last line, first paragraph to remove 'possible', or remove it altogether. Potential things aren't very encyclopediaic.
 * 7) **Removed. I was looking for a reason why didn't take the promotion, and it was a little speculatory based on available facts.

Comments
 * In my opinion, Cavalier One, you write quite well and have shown that you understand what it takes to write an article at this level. You demonstrate that you understand the Layout Guide, Manual of Style, and the Sourcing policy. Now, and remember that this is just a suggestion on my end, if I were you I would skip this stage of the game and go straight to the Featured article nomination page with this article :-) I believe that you would do quite well there with this article, and any others that you might write like this ;-) Cheers, Greyman  @wikiajanitor ( Talk ) 23:51, 12 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Greyman, thank you for your comments, and the suggestion that this article could do well over on the FAN page. Part of me did consider whether or not to put this up for GA or FA, and I decided on this option since it is my first attempt at writing an article of this type, and I didn't want to run before I crawled so to speak.  I'll keep this nom here for the time being, and if it passes, I will put it up for FA per your suggestion if that is acceptable. -  Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 08:06, 13 May 2008 (UTC)

(+1)
Support
 * 1) Okay I have given this a lot of work and read the book a billion and one times to get all info. Hope you guys like it! Purplegethos 14:17, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) I suggest you read the layout guide and look at other good articles. This still needs work.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 14:27, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) *The intro has present tense and the prose is very choppy. It's not smooth.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 19:31, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) It's formatted like a character article. Sections should be something like "Appearance," "Society and culture," "History" or somesuch. It also lacks an intro, has OR in the "P&T," BtS is a bit strange, isn't fully sourced, and there's at least a few prose issues. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 17:11, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) *Per Purplegethos's request, I've left a more specific set of objections:
 * 5) **Still needs to be entirely sourced.
 * 6) **There's quite a few punctuation errors, particularly with commas. E.g. "Kivan wraiths were created by, John Whitman." While MS's spellcheck seems to have cleared up most of the spelling errors, don't trust it for grammar.
 * 7) **The pronunciation guide is more than a little silly.
 * 8) **The intro is a bit strange; it seems to go into unnecessary detail while leaving out some important facts. It doesn't say they are a sentient species or anything of the sort. The intro also uses the pronoun "your," which is a big no-no.
 * 9) **If "It is unknown if they need nourishment, seeing as they don't have a system to digest anything" is stated in form in the text, please reword to sound less ORish; if it is not, then please remove it as it is OR.
 * 10) **There's info in the intro which isn't in the main body at all.
 * 11) **Intro jumps tense a lot.
 * 12) **"We can conclude from this" is OR.
 * 13) **"Appearance" jumps tense a bit, as does the intro, to a greater extent.
 * 14) **The lead quote of "Appearance" doesn't seem to have any relevance to their appearance; it might be more suitable in the "History" section.
 * 15) **""glowed with darkness, not darkness of pure night, but darkness of late evening"" ought to be paraphrased into more encyclopediac terms.
 * 16) **The "History" section is quite confusing, particularly the final paragraph. A lot of added detail would be welcome. Too, the first paragraph has lots of short sentences which read like a list.
 * 17) **The History section should start off by saying that Gog was responsible, and then move onto how they blamed Hoole. It doesn't need to be revealed the way it is in the source.
 * 18) **First sentence of the BtS should be removed.
 * 19) **A general expansion in detail in the interest of clarification is needed. This still has ways to go, unfortunately. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 15:39, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 20) From the desk of Atarumaster88
 * 21) *Very hard to read and a number of spelling errors. Read it aloud, word-by-word and tell me if that sounds understandable.
 * 22) *Short article, but should still conform to species layout.
 * 23) *Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:53, 14 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * I hope this can become a good article, if you guys can oppose something, i will do my 100 percent best to fix it. Thanks! Purplegethos 14:17, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I went back, added a couple sections and some quotes and info from the book. Hope that satisfies you needs more work. Purplegethos 15:24, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ackbar, I went back and changed my article names and got a good Bts from my observation after reading the book a lot of times. I hope you like it know! --Purplegethos 18:32, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Went to Microsoft Word and fixed spelling errors and sentence fragments, So it is a bit easier to read outloud. Reason for short article is b/c that is basically all the book is giving me, I could add a bit more though I think. Good day. Check!--Purplegethos 19:31, 14 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I have corrected everything you guys have said, hopefully you can take back you opposes and support it!--Purplegethos 13:00, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I noticed a few spelling and grammar mistakes  Jaina Leia Mara Jedi Knight
 * Jaina, I spell checked it, there are no grammer/spelling errors.--Purplegethos 14:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * THANKS ACKBAR!!! I can see that I did make big mistakes. I just made a MAJOR re edit, do you like it know? I address all of your problems the best I could!--Purplegethos 17:20, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Finally (Thanks to ataru) was able to upload the picture of the Kivan wraith. Hope you guys like it!-- —Purplegethos ( Talk ) 21:26, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Do we need two articles on the same people? I created Kivan a while back. Perhaps one should be redirected to the other and work can be continued from there.--Darth Oblivion 21:56, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw your article a while back.... that's why some of our stuff is the same... I remebered some of it. Not totally. But if checked. My article is clearly better and has WAY more information...-- —Purplegethos ( Talk ) 22:08, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not about which article is "better," but about which one is the more logical title. I would go with Kivan, and just move over the current article there. Also, the article isn't "yours" or anybody else's. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 22:25, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean "Mine" I meant that it was the one I was working on. I'll move it over i guess....-- —Purplegethos ( Talk ) 23:11, 15 May 2008 (UTC)

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Support
 * 1) --Eyrezer 09:13, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Nice job, as always, Ey. Greyman  @wikiajanitor ( Talk ) 15:43, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 22:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:18, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Concise.  Darth Xadún ( Consult the Holocron ) 08:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose Comments
 * 1) You have a couple misspellings. I would copy and paste it on Microsoft Word. And do a spelling check on it.--Purplegethos 12:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) *I just went through it with Firefox spellchecker and the only things it flagged were words like "Wookiee," which aren't in its dictionary. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 15:21, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) **There are no spelling errors in this article. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:10, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) ***I checked it and he had. "Ofworld" and one I can't remeber...-- —Purplegethos ( Talk ) 22:33, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) ****It only ever had "offworld," which is correct. If you can't actually find the error yourself again, your opposition is invalid. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 22:44, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) *****Even if the article had that error, Gethos, it's so minor that you should go in and correct it yourself rather than making an objection out of it. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:46, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) ******I presume this is not longer outstanding. --Eyrezer 00:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) Toprawa:
 * 9) * Only thing I've got is that you say in the intro and the infobox her homeworld was Mantooine, but the article says she was born on Fest. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:16, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) **(Groan) Amateur! I've corrected this very poor effort... her homeworld is Fest. --Eyrezer 00:05, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

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Support
 * 1) Aaaah. Thefourdotelipsis 06:35, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

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