Forum:CT Archive/Template Overhaul

As defined by Forum:CT Archive/New canon policy and Canon policy, the Expanded Universe is non-canon. No one, including myself, is happy with this. However, according to Lucasfilm and Wookieepedia policy, it is fact. Therefore, I believe that Wookieepdia's template's need to be updated accordingly.

Proposal One
This was touched upon in the New canon policy CT with the ambiguous template, but the new policy also effects the non-canon templates. Essentially, I could go and place a Noncanon template on every single "Legends" page and I would not be violating any Wookieepedia policy. Now I'm not going to do that because it would effect about 95% of the articles here and would look bad. Instead, since all "Legends" articles conveniently have a link back to Expanded Universe I propose:

That the Noncanon template be added to the top of the Expanded Universe article.

This way 9/10 pages on Wookieepedia will not have a big non-canon template at the top of them but at the same time, through the Legends banner, it is clear to all readers that the content of the page is non-canon.

Support

 * 1) Remember: I am only proposing that the non-canon template be placed on one page. The other hundred thousand of formerly canon pages that make up the EU will remain the same. Fe Nite (talk) 13:16, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

Proposal Two
Now that was the first part. But what about the thousands of pages that already have a Noncanon, non-canon, ncm, noncanonstart, or noncanonend? This is tricky. There are two ways to go about this.

Idea One
Everything is non-canon now, so why do some pages have a non-canon template and others don't? Therefore I propose:

'''That the Noncanon, non-canon, ncm, noncanonstart, or noncanonend templates be removed from all articles that are classified as "Legends." Articles that have a "Legends" tab will have the aforementioned templates removed from the "Legends" portion of the page. The only exception to this rule will be the Expanded Universe article (Assuming Proposal One passes).'''

Idea Two
If an author references our pages in the future they might want to use only the formerly canon subject within the EU. They may not want to use ideas that were previously non-canon. Therefore, Wookieepedia may want to continue to mark the pages as non-canon. But since all the EU is non-canon, I think a new system is in order because we don't want to confuse our readers. Therefore, I propose:

'That a new template be created to specify that the subject material is "non-canon within the Star Wars'' Legends continuity." The template will follow the current non-canon template format. If Proposal One passes the current non-canon template will remain on the Expanded Universe article.'''

Support Idea Two

 * 1) Fe Nite (talk) 13:16, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

Proposal Three
In a similar fashion the conjecture templates use the word "canonical." However, most of the pages that have a conjecture template are now non-canon. Therefore, I propose:


 * That the format and wording of become the primary format and wording of the template.
 * For the template Conjecturespell, the word "canonical" be changed to "official."
 * '''That the template Nickname be changed to match the wording and format found here.

Support

 * 1) Sorry I did not word my proposal very well. For the first bullet, basically I'm saying change the word "canonical" to "official." Fe Nite (talk) 13:16, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

Proposal Four
The Twoconflicting needs to be reworded to remove the canon elements. This one is pretty straight forward:

For the Twoconflicting template, the word "canon" needs to be changed to Expanded Universe.

If Disney and Lucasfilm mess up down the road and make conflicting canon, we'll just have to revisit this.

Support

 * 1) This change is simply for the conflicts between two EU sources. Since they are no longer canon, the template needs "canon" removed. For the conflicts between "new canon" and "Legends" (like Adi Galia's death in TCW compared to the comics), this template is not required at all. The Wook has never used a "conflict" template between non-canon and canon sources; so why start now? Fe Nite (talk) 13:16, May 18, 2014 (UTC)

Proposal Five
Since all the Star Wars Tales are now non-canon, the tales1-20 template is in need of renovation. I would say just delete it, but like the ambiguous template it could be useful when referencing EU sources. However, I was unable to come up with an adequate fix for the tales templates (Also, Talesstart and Talesend). Therefore, if the community thinks these are necessary changes, I'm open to discussion on the best possible way to handle this situation.

Discussion
Like the ambiguous template this one might be needed for future reference. So does anyone have any idea how to change this template? I am open to suggestions. If we get some ideas rolling, we can start the vote. Fe Nite (talk) 13:16, May 18, 2014 (UTC)