Talk:Luke Skywalker/Legends


 * Most curious, that information is what the now-banned user 69.219.149.128 claimed. Demented Smiloid 22:33, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)

It is odd that the last section suddenly makes reference to the book. The biography should either be kept "in character" with no internal references to sources, or be fully annotated. Additionally, the last few sentences are in need of some filling. --SparqMan 04:51, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Go for it. :-) -- Aidje 14:20, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Chosen One
In Chosen One article, the possibility that Luke is the REAL Chosen One, and not Anakin, is equally explored and nobody has objected all those days the article is around. But when I added this possibility in the first paragraph, it was reverted without explanation. Why? Moff Rebus 09:13, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC) Luke is the worst fighter ever in the trilogy, and quite a poor Force user. I mean come on! Did you see the fights in the prequels? The difference in skill and grace is explained fairly easily. Darth Vader is middle-aged and in a life support suit (Which also caused him to lose much of his Force mastery). Obi-Wan is old and out of practice (Though he was still younger than Qui-Gon, and Dooku), and the best reasons I can come up with for him not doing all kinds of flips, twists, and lunges and killing Vader with little effort (Seeing as he defeated Vader when he was still able-bodied) is he either wanted to die(which is gay), or he had not practiced even once since he went into exile. My conclusion is: Luke just plain sucks. I mean just consider what state Vader is in, and think. "That eighteen-year-old can barely beat (and fights with around the same speed as) his crippled, middle-aged father, who needs a breathing apparatus to live. As for the Force user part...You saw how the Jedi where just pushing, pulling and throwing crap all over the place in the prequels, right? (I would hope so because if you didn't, I would consult a doctor) You also saw how quickly they pulled their lightsabers to them right? Well remember Luke in the wampa cave, took like what three minutes or so to pull his saber as apposed to three seconds or less? Another thing was when he entered Jabba's palace in ROTJ unarmed(Which by the way has no visible motive, I mean why didn't he just hack his way in? I know it was in R2-D2 but why?) He slowly pushed the Jabba's guards one at a time into the wall. Just imagine a Jedi from the prequels marching in saber drawn cutting them all down and blowing them into walls like rag dolls, until he reached his goal. That sums up to one pathetic Jedi:-)
 * Beacuse that is just an assumption, which has no place here. --Imp 09:14, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Especially since GL specifically stated that Luke *isn't* the Chosen One. QuentinGeorge 09:50, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately. :) Thanos6 22:11, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * a.) He recieved very little training. b.) Obi-Wan had more experience. c.) He was holding back so aas not to hurt his fathher. d.) Does "1977" mean anything to you? Rod

Then they should remake the original trilogy and both improve the overall quality, and tie up the loose ends. Palps

He was also using form I, a slow practical kendo-like style that does not use many fancy pointless flips and flourishes. Luke was quite skilled considering the little training he had had.

Anakin is the most skilled force user by far for his age.....in the pod racing he force pulled the damaged part towards him withought any trainig when he was ten...this proves he is by far mor powerful by luke in the force..


 * Not only has George Lucas stated that Anakin IS the Chosen One, Luke was also not the one that brought balance to the Force by killing the Emperor - Anakin did. Anakin also has a much higher midichlorian count (despite all of us hating midichlorians :) ). Just deal with it. Doran 05:45, 30 March 2006 (UTC)


 * This issue is non-debateable. GL declared that Ani is the Chosen One. Darth Kevinmhk 05:49, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

Inbetween DE and NJO
I know there is a lot of material to cover with Luke (as he's a major character in almost every novel), but the article current glosses over almost everything that happens between Dark Empire and the New Jedi Order books. --SparqMan 04:31, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Gramatical errors and tense changes are rampant.

Currently, this article only covers the events that transpire in Dark Empire 1, and fails to make any mention of DE2 or Empire's End.

Appearances
This article is really starting to take shape. The "Appearances" section is massive. Would an "List of Luke Skywalker appearances" article be suitable with a note that he appears frequently in EU comics and books? --SparqMan 18:21, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Most certainly. In fact, such a page should exist for all major movie characters. A new category, Appearances lists, would hgave to be made as well. Oh, and I'm about to add the comics appearances from the Marvel Star Wars series. --Imp 18:27, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. We're going to get this problem particularly with the "Big Three" of each era - (ie Luke, Leia, Han for all ABY stories, and Obi-Wan, Anakin and Padme for all BBY stories). QuentinGeorge 05:52, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Images
I find it laughable that we only have two images for one of the most important people to this wiki. I request that people please upload more to this article. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:15, 25 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I would do it if I had any idea as to where to find good vidcaps of the films. MarcK 10:02, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I think the page has too many images now lol 02:50, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The first one we should remove is the one labelled "A teenage Luke on Tatooine." First he is not a "teenage" in this picture. Second it's repetitive to the infobox picture. Butthe strange is : I can't find it when I edit the page. I just can't find it. Can you guys? Petiflo 02:56, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Storyline
I'm making fixes to the plot summary-like segments on some of Luke's history, and it makes me wonder if we should really be retelling the entirety of ANH. I don't want to skimp, but it can make the article overly verbose and unwieldy. Thoughts? --SparqMan 17:55, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC) --Imp 18:02, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * We don't want that. Only key points should be included:
 * Meets Obi-Wan Kenobi
 * Meets Han Solo and Chewbacca
 * Joins the Alliance to restore the Republic
 * Destroys the first Death Star

Looking at the history, much of the text that must be replaced came from the first Wikipedia copy. I wouldn't mind seeing much of it replaced. --SparqMan
 * We don't need to tell every minute detail of the films in these character articles. I've thought that for a long time, but I haven't wanted to be the one who suggested the massive cropping necessary. – Aidje talk 20:21, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Homeworld
While Tatooine as not Skywalker's place of birth, I am certain that he would denote it as his homeworld. I think including both pieces of information in the character box is appropriate. --SparqMan 02:23, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Improvement Drive
Please list any work you see as necessary on this article to bring it up to Featured standards:

Additions Changes
 * Important biographical data between Thrawn trilogy and NJO
 * A section on the way Luke has changed since ANH, and his changing views on the Force and the Jedi
 * Correct all tense issues
 * Remove wonky plot descriptions
 * More images of Luke from the movies would make the beginning a little less dry. QuentinGeorge 07:36, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)


 * Um, could you define 'wonky'? I can't figure out what that's supposed to mean. -- Riffsyphon1024 14:46, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Awkward. Verbose. Wrong in some place. --SparqMan 15:06, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, understood. -- Riffsyphon1024 15:30, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Just a minor point, but it says: "In this way, Skywalker and the Jedi grew in strength and power, their skills nearly on par with those of the old Order." Is this fact? I thought Luke's Jedi were equally, if not more powerful than Old Jedi Order ones.

Shouldn't we have something about his role in the Dark Nest crisis?

What lightsaber style does he use....

The infant portraying Luke in Ep. III
Changed the sentence about actors who have portrayed Luke Skywalker. The source for this information is the following PDF file from StarWars.com: http://www.starwars.com/episode-iii/release/publishing/img/thefinalchapter.pdf

Luke Skywalker was portrayed by Mark Hamill in the Original trilogy, as well as by Aiden Barton (editor Roger Barton's son) as an infant in Revenge of the Sith

Section Headings

 * I think the headings for Lukes page need to be changed. It has 'establishing a New Jedi Order 25+ ABY', and then goes straight into describing setting up the yavin 4 Praxeum in the JAT. It should really be broken up when his page gets a makeover. Durnar 13:38, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Age
Luke is really 18 in Episode IV, A New Hope, even that Revenge of the Sith is 19 bby, the story of Episode III could had been one year long.
 * This is being debated at Talk: Leia Organa Solo. -LtNOWIS 20:38, 16 Sep 2005 (UTC)

General Skywalker's final mission
Could someone add an explanation of what Luke's final mission as a Rebel Alliance/New Republic general was? The picture beside the The New Republic era heading is kind of confusing since the mission isn't mentioned in the article... or at least I didn't see it being mentioned :) --Tinwe 17:23, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Swarm War Update
I tried my best to make a good addittion, but it is quite length. If anyone has any suggestions, I'd love to hear them. Thanks Darthcraigious 01:02, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Duel on Mimban
In actuality, this was a Force illusion and creation, not the real Vader at all, the two would not truly meet until the fateful duel on Bespin.

Source? Thanos6 22:51, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * That's false. Abel Pena has speculated on that, but according to NEC, Vader was all too real. --Master Starkeiller 23:09, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Consider it gone, then. Thanos6 23:11, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Main Image
I found this image. I know I've seen a bigger one before. Think someone can find it?

Cybernetic Implants?
I was Wondering, how come the image of Luke as an Imperial Supreme Commander show him with Vader's Gloves and gauntlets and cybernetic trousers and stuff ? It doesn't make since, Do you think they were trying to make Luke like his Father when turned to the dark Side ? hmmm...-Stoll7234

He is just wearing the armor not the cybernetic implants. And yes it was to signify luke's walking the line between the dark and the light ---Razzy1319 19:00, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Jedi Knight
The caption of the picture of Luke from Jabba's Palace classify's him as a Jedi Knight. But he's not yet. Yoda says so himself. "One thing remains. Vader. You must confront Vader. Only then, a Jedi, will you be." Someone should fix that. I would but I don't know what to change it to nor how to edit captions.

Duel with Reborn Emperor
Should it be noted that when Luke has a lightsaber battle with the reborn Emperor that Leia was using her force power to give him strength? In the panels in the comic, it shows her directly behind Luke and the Emperor with a glow around her. When Luke asks her to join force auras she says," I already am, Luke. Haven't you sensed it?" I think she influenced his winning. Also, could this be Battle Meditation? --Jedimasterbob 00:18, 8 February 2006 (UTC)


 * That is not true, because Leia was trying to get through Luke's mind, to minimalize the dark side voices clouding Luke's mind. As a result of that, Luke was able to fully resist the pull of the dark side, and tells the Emperor that his shroud of evil has been lifted, due to Leia's efforts as well as his own struggle. Also, this is further explained in the audio drama - Leia was a pure spectator, and it is said that during the battle, Luke and the Emperor were moving so fast, Leia could hardly even see them, and could only feel waves of power emanating from them. However, it is likely that both Luke and Leia know battle meditation. When Luke and Kam explores artifacts in DE 2, they encounter the book on battle meditation, which Kam was unable to read but Luke was, and he promised himself to study that, as well as all the other books, which he probably completed in a few years.

Powerful Force Lighting
Does anyone actually know if the unknown power Luke used on the Slayers in TUF was force lightning/Electric Judgement and did it kill the slayer or just ko him I mean they were fighting to the death. Darkhelmet666 Thanks for clearing that up for me guys. Darkhelmet666
 * That information hasn't yet been revealed. It might be a light side variation of lightning, or a new power - Kwenn 22:08, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Though I think it WAS fatal, since when everyone arrives later they notice the corpses of a dozen Slayers with no mention of survivors. Thanos6 22:14, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Infobox picture

 * We need a higher res image for that infobox - one that looks good at 250px. QuentinGeorge 06:17, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

Grand Master Sucession Box
Although Luke Skywalker established the Jedi Academy in 11 ABY and was a matter of fact de facto Grand Master of the Order since then, but he officially announced himself as Grand Master after the Swarm War. Should we edit the sucession box? Darth Kevinmhk 05:59, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Son of Suns Quote
The first quote on this article.. the Son of Suns one.. isn't this in reference to Anakin, not Luke? Anakin is the Chosen One.. unless they're referring to the son of the Chosen One... I dunno. --Danik Kreldin 05:41, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

i agree it should b removed immediately...i will do the honours


 * We should keep watching, it will always resurface. Darth Kevinmhk 05:48, 30 March 2006 (UTC)

death age
As stated by yoda in Return of the Jedi Luke will live to 900 or around, but in the Legacy adaption their is no apperance byLuke.
 * Yoda wasn't being serious when he said Luke would live 900 years.-- SFH 01:26, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yoda's comment was a wry joke, not a prophetic prediction. QuentinGeorge 01:27, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

ahem if what palpeten said was true luke clud live forever about the keeping some one alive with the froce

mabey luke can use the force to stay alive for iunfint years

Evenn if yoda joked he can see the future.

- Yoda never actually states that Luke will live to be 900, just that he                                                                                        will not look as good, therefore he could be merely referring to Luke's                                 rotting corpse.

While Yoda probably meant it metaphorically, a big lifespan is not actually impossible, especially for Luke, unless the authors deliberately ignore established canon. As per canon, a human being can live upto 120 years. Now, it is explicitly stated in the Star Wars Revised Core Rulebook (considered to be C-level canon by LFL, ie the same level of canon as all EU novels), that human beings who are strong in the force could live upto twice and more that of a normal human being. This means, if Luke lives long enough to die of old age, he would be around 200-250 years old.

In fact, it is more probable that he would live far, far longer, because strength in the factor is the key here. We also have human beings who lived really long lives - 1) Vima Da Boda lived to be over 250 years old. 2) Mother Rell of the Dathomiri Witches lived to be over 300 years old. Luke's strength in the force is simply as high as it ever gets, because in him is the same power and potential of Anakin Skywalker, which is the ultimate level (this has been stated by George Lucas). So if canon rules are to be followed, it is not unlikely that Luke would live to be 300 years old or more, unless his death happens by unnatural means/he chooses to become one with the force.

I personally believe that Luke would choose to fade into the force/become one with the force when he feels like it, whether it be a few years from now or hundreds of years. Also, just because he is not mentioned in the Legacy comics, it is not an exact proof that Luke is no longer alive. It is just as probable that no one knows where Luke is, or that everyone has assumed that Luke is dead. Either way, it will be interesting to see whether Luke would actually die in the Legacy of the Force series, or whether the powers that be would choose to make that matter completely mysterious, leaving the fans to wonder if Luke is indeed, alive.

Is he the best
Luke has surpassed the srtongest of foes the galaxy has to offer like the emperor. Also he became the grandmaster quicker than yoda did. So is luke the greatest jedi to have lived?
 * Luke became a grand master faster because he declared himself Grand Master - and because given how little manpower the NJO had, no one else can match him. Plus, Luke was already de facto Grand Master for years. And he is the only one who receive his knowledge from OJO master in 1-to-1 learning method - and the teacher is Yoda! Not to mention his midi-chlorian rich Skywalker blood! Luke has so many advantage which others have not. Darth Kevinmhk 02:15, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

In one of the New Jedi Order books, Kyp Durron mentions that he is more powerful in the force than Luke. Is this true??? LordRevan
 * It was probably just boasting. --  Doo Doo  talk [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|22px]] 02:21, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it was mentioned in the Jedi Academy trilogy that Kyp Duron had more Force potential than Luke however in the NJO books Luke has much greater control of the Force than Kyp so Luke is stronger.Grunny 03:34, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
 * LordRevan, Aaron Allstons website's FAQ said this was purely from Kyps point of view. Kyp thinks hes stronger in the force than Luke.

Okay, thank you guys for the clarification. LordRevan 01:07, 9 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Just FYI, in an interview with Vanity fair as well as during the new DVD commentary, George Lucas states that Luke possessed the same raw power/potential of Anakin Skywalker, which is why both Darth Vader and the Emperor wanted Luke to be their own apprentice. Anakin Skywalker's potential is as high as it gets, and Lucas himself has measured it to be 200% more powerful than the Emperor. He notes that while Anakin lost a lot of that potential, and reverted to being around 80% as powerful as the Emperor, Luke represented all of it. By what we have seen as well as from the words of George Lucas himself, we could certainly conclude that Luke Skywalker is the most powerful force user that has ever lived, or would ever live, since he represents what Anakin Skywalker would've been, had he not become more machine than man.

Lukes ultimate duel
If luke and yoda were to clash it would be the greatest duel. The question is who will win? Luke has power and control unlike yoda, but yoda has experience and all lightsaber combat knowledge. In the end who would win?

LUKE DUH

I would say an ultimate duel would be a duel between Luke and Revan. Don't you agree. LordRevan 01:06, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

Revan is nothing compared to Darth Vader!

Images

 * Once again, this page is far too image-heavy, especially in the biography section. Fully half of them need to be taken out, IMO. QuentinGeorge 06:28, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

Age Matters Not
Even those Luke is like 30 senonds older, in the relationship between Luke and Leia, does Luke think of Leia as a Big Syster or a Little Syster? What about Leia? Does she see Luke as a Big Brother or a Little Brother? Double D 13:56, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Quotes
we need one for the telents section, the dark nest etc. Jedi Dude

Height
What is Luke's real height because Mark Hamill, the actor who portrays him is said to be 1.75 meters, 5ft 9in. In the Star Wars universe his height is listed as 1.72 meters, 5ft 7in - 5ft 8in. User:JainaSolo32

If you ask me, In Hollywood, they can make up anything. What you're talking about is a 3 centimeters differents. It makes no differents. I'm sure most movie characters are not the exact height as the actor/actress who play. Just because Anakin Skywalker is 1.85 meters, it doesn't mean Hayden Christensen is exactly 1.85 meters in real life. Double D 03:52, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Legacy of the Force
Do you think that Luke will die sometime in the LoTF? User:JainaSolo32

I don't know what "LoTF" is, but nobody live forever. Double D 04:26, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The title said as much, LoTF = Legacy of the Force. Personally, I guess one of the big 3 (Luke, Leia, Han) will suffer serious problem in the series (dark side / mortally wound / death). I remember NJOE quote some interview of Del Rey staff which said something so big will happen in the series which they cant talk anything about it yet. I very much believe only the fate of the big 3 requires such silence. Darth Kevinmhk 09:43, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Jacen will have his rear served to him on a silver platter. Luke is far more powerful than Jacen, even Jacen acknowledges this, and Luke is still on the dont kill list. DarthMalus 05:04, 25 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, George Lucas had strictly forbidden them from killing off Luke during the NJO series, and in an interview with Shelly Shapiro of LFL, she explicitly states that Luke is the only person who they were forbidden from killing off. That means not even Han and Leia got the same level of protection, and George's the big boss of Star Wars. Considering the canon stance on lifespan, George's iron hands shielding Luke as well as how he was the only safe character, I believe it is unlikely that he would actually give them the green signal to kill off Luke, so the likelyhood of Luke dying, or his death being explained in a novel, is a very shady situation.

Missing stuff, are we?
Maybe this is a tad nitpicky and was done for brevity's sake, but no where is there any mention of Skywalker taking down 5 Jensaari (sp?) at a time. There is also little mention of him destroying the Sun Crusher. His little trip to Nirauan where proposes to Mara, his infiltration of the Cavrilhu pirates and his activities during the First Corellian Crisis are completely neglected. Is this important? I would think so.

Atarumaster88 18:07, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The reason why there's no mention of Luke destroying the Sun Crusher is....because Luke didn't destroy the Sun Crusher. It was Kyp. However, if there's anything else you want to add, feel free - Kwenn 18:09, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've added a little more, but I'm surprised at the amount of info that's missing here. Some elements also need to be expanded with more detail - Kwenn 18:31, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, there is info missing in the Yuuzhan Vong War. Wasn't Luke poisoned during a duel? User:JainaSolo32

Kwenn, I like the improvement. It covers Luke's activities during the New Rep era much better. JainaSolo32, I believe Luke was poisoned as a result of his duel with Shimrra at the end of I think it was The Unifying Force or whatever the last book of the NJO was.

Atarumaster88 13:57, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

He was, but its not mentioned, I'll add it.--Master Shan 05:15, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Vong Kills?
the talents section...it says he killed thosands of vong, hundreds in the battle of Coruscant alone? do we really think this many? Jedi Dude 20:47, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * 1) Luke's abilities with a lightsaber and the Force allow him to prevail over thousands of Yuuzhan Vong warriors, along with other enemies. Luke defeated Supreme Overlord Shimrra Jamaane, who on his own could kill many Jedi.
 * 2) After defeating hundreds of Yuuzhan Vong warriors Luke defeated more than five Slayers; while Kyp Durron, one of the most powerful Jedi of his time, could not best even one Slayer.
 * 3) Luke mows through the elite guard of the Supreme Overload to reach him. Later Luke thought that he could have gone even further by drawing power from the Force. Jacen and Jaina, by this time the elites of the Jedi Knights, could not track Luke.
 * all of this i think could od with some better wording? Jacen and Jaina were the elites? Jedi Dude 21:39, 5 July 2006 (UTC)