Talk:Grand Master/Legends

Didn't Odan-Urr and Nomi Sunrider hold this title? I mean, they were both presidents of the Jedi Assemblies before the Jedi Council was formed --Mr. Perfection 03:27, 20 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe that the Jedi Order didn't became so formalized until after the Great Sith War. Also, I believe that Nomi was just a knight at the time. Odan-Urr, however, may be the symbolic first Grand Master, though I wouldn't list him as one without a canonical source or some input of some other members. -- SFH 19:34, 22 Nov 2005 (UTC)


 * I definately agree that the Jedi Order was nowhere as organized in anciet times as it is in the prequel trilogy. It seems more like the "Jedi Council" of the time was just any master who was on Ossus at the time something needed to be discussed. Also the knights seem to have had much more freedom in what they did. Remember when Ulic Qel-Droma left to infiltrate the Krath and the Masters did not approve but he went anyway? I don't see any evidence that a formal Jedi Council existed at the time of the Great Sith War much less a Grand Master. I think the Jedi followed Odan-Urr because he was the oldest Master. The guy was over a thousand years old, older than even Yoda was when he died. I wonder if Nomi was the one who made all the reforms we see in place by the time of the Knights of the Old Republic games. I would not be surprised at all if it was Nomi who wrote the Jedi Code and put it in place, established a formal Jedi Council, and outlawed Jedi marriage. Remember she was married to a Jedi Knight before Andur was killed and she did not have to hide her love for Ulic Qel-Droma. As far as her rank in the Order you are right that she was a knight during the Great Sith War but we don't know if she was made a master afterwards. She was a war hero and creditted with stopping Ulic Qel-Droma which led to the defeat of Exar Kun. The Order may very well have rewarded her by making her a Master.

Vodo a Grand Master?
It is possible Vodo-Siask Baas might have been Grand Master, since at the Jedi Assemblies, he seemed to be second to Odan-Urr, and after Odan-Urr's death, either Vodo or Thon took his place. Maybe Vodo took his place until he was killed, and then Thon took over the Jedi Order. Just a idea. --Mr. Perfection 19:14, 24 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Source? QuentinGeorge 07:29, 24 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Removed until sourced. -- SFH 18:10, 24 Nov 2005 (UTC)


 * Remember that Thon liked his solitude. I would definately say that Thon was the strongest Jedi Master of the time but he seems alittle too solitary to take the position of Grand Master. Also remember Nomi Sunrider emerged as the leader of the Order after the Great Sith War. I would think it more likely that she took over the Grand Mastership. As far as Vodo goes I don't see any real reason to deny that he held the title. He did lead the Jedi in the defense of Coruscant when the Krath attacked. There also is no definate evidence to support the position that he was Grand Master. The Order was pretty chaotic after Odan-Urr died afterall. Maybe they didn't have time to pick a new Grand Master. We may never know for sure. Another interesting question is if Master Arca Jeth had survived would he have been a Grand Master?

Supreme Master?
Yoda is mentioned as a Supreme Master of the Jedi Order in RotS novelisation. Doesn't its canon-level beat the other ones?
 * The Rots novel is the same level of canon as other EU. Consider Supreme Master just another word for Grand Master (which is more consistently used). QuentinGeorge 23:09, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, just checking... Btw, are you sure that the title is mentioned in Labyrith of Evil?
 * As far as i can check, the rank was not mentioned in LOE. If it is indeed mentioned, someone please quote it. Thx. Darth Kevinmhk 10:26, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * But Mace Windu was the head of the Council. This is extremely clear in the movies, whose canonocity beat any book.
 * He speak the most doesnt mean he was the head. More than half of the Council members dont even speak in the movies. Personal interpretation is just PoV, Databank and other canonical reference sources has never stated Mace as head of Council, but mentioned Yoda as Grand Master of the Jedi Order. Darth Kevinmhk 04:15, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think Luke's office of Grand Master is a bit different than Yoda or Mace's possition on the Jedi Council. While Yoda and Mace are the obvious leaders neither one of them holds complete power. Also they still discuss issues with the Council. I think Luke's plan for the office is completely new because he set himself completely above the Council and the other Masters. He declared himself the absolute commander of all Jedi activity and anyone who didn't like it he asked to leave. A risky move no doubt and we could discuss whether it was a good move for ages. But I would say one way or another it is a unique move completely different from the leadership positions held by any Jedi Master in the past. Supreme master or any other master.

move to "Jedi Grand Master"

 * I suggest moving "Grand Master" to "Jedi Grand Master". Comment? Darth Kevinmhk 12:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That doesn't seem to be necessary and might create confusion. Until we come across another type of Grand Master apart from the Jedi one, I think it should stay.DesertFly 07:39, 30 June 2006 (UTC)