Talk:Timeline of canon media

TCW comics
I have a question: Star Wars: The Clone Wars (graphic novellas) and the Star Wars Comic UK Clone wars Volume 5-7-...) are considered canon? Because they all output during the Clone Wars and is technically not contradise between with.
 * Everything that is not listed here is either non-canon, or has yet to be commented upon by officials. --Imperialles 10:57, May 2, 2014 (UTC)

Darth Maul Shadow Conspiracy
Shouldn't The Clone Wars: Darth Maul: Shadow Conspiracy be removed from the list? The twitter post it uses as a source says that Darth Maul&mdash;Son of Dathomir is canon and doesn't say if Shadow Conspiracy is canon or not. DarthRevan1173 (Long live Lord Revan) 02:48, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
 * Although my area of expertise is Legends books and short stories, I havent heard anything indicating that Shadow Conspiracy is Canon. It may be "based" on episodes of TCW, but there are differences between the book and the episodes. Therefore until we hear otherwise it does not belong on this list. --ExarKunLives (talk) 04:00, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Ezra's Gamble - Source?
Isn't SW: A New Dawn supposed to be the first canon novel? Where was it stated that this one is canon? Patsoumas1995 (talk) 17:03, May 4, 2014 (UTC) OK, so shouldn't the rest of the Rebels tie-ins be added in the timeline? Patsoumas1995 (talk) 18:49, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * AS posted on Star Wars Books Facebook page. "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away…. STAR WARS: A NEW DAWN by John Jackson Miller. Our very first official canon novel set solidly in the legendary "Dark Times" between Episodes III and IV, A NEW DAWN will introduce readers to two main characters from the upcoming Star Wars: Rebels animated series—Kanan Jarrus and Hera Syndulla—and will feature jacket art by Doug Wheatley, as well as a foreword by Dave Filoni, one of the executive producers of The Clone Wars and Star Wars: Rebels. It goes on sale September 2, 2014. Head over to StarWars.com for the official announcement from Lucasfilm about the legacy of the Expanded Universe and its place as the newly-branded Star Wars: Legends line. And keep checking our Facebook page throughout the day for more exciting news. "--ExarKunLives (talk) 18:29, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * It's part of the Rebels metaseries, which is canon. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  17:06, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * But wouldn't the TCW tie-ins, which are confirmed to be non-canon, fall in the same category then? Patsoumas1995 (talk) 17:36, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
 * Nothing released prior to the anouncement linked above is part of the new canon. --ExarKunLives (talk) 18:29, May 4, 2014 (UTC)

The movies' novelizations: canon, but "not too much"
We have to be cautious about the movie novelizations, it seems. We'll have to remember that Del Rey posted this on Twitter 15 days ago: "To clarify, movie novelizations are canon where they align with what is seen on screen in the 6 films and the Clone Wars animated movie." In other words, they're not really canon after all. That probably means anything that isn't seen/mentioned in the film isn't canon either. -- Lelal Mekha  (Audience Room) 20:32, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Correct. It would be better to add a little qualifying note next to each novelization clarifying this. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:34, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * However... that's a pretty pointless official statement, is it not? -- Lelal Mekha  Old Republic military symbol.svg(Audience Room) 20:40, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it basically means they aren't canon at all. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:41, May 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * I really don't understand where they're going with statements like that. It doesn't even let us keep harmless pieces of background information that do not even contradict the movies, things like Luke Skywalker's dog or the walking barnacles of Alderaan. -- Lelal Mekha  Old Republic military symbol.svg(Audience Room) 20:42, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

TCW years 22-19 BBY
I have reason to believe that the dates for The Clone Wars go like this: Cat and Mouse to The Zillo Beast Strikes Back is 22 BBY. Senate Spy to Hostage Crisis is 21 BBY. Heroes on Both Sides to The Wrong Jedi is 20 BBY. The Lost Missions and Son of Dathomir is 19 BBY. I get the dates from Padme stating that Anakin had been away from Coruscant for an extended amount of time in Senate Spy despite The Zillo Beast Strikes Back right before it chronologically. In Heroes on Both Sides, we see the change in appearance for Anakin, Obi-Wan and Ahsoka. Finally the information learned in The Lost Missions (such as the knowledge that Dooku was Tyranus) is not known in the first 13 chapters of Labyrinth of Evil. I'd like to change that after I get approval so long as it is not too speculative. Have a dark side-filled day! --DarthZac14 (talk) 21:45, May 14, 2014 (UTC)

Star Wars Journeys Canonicity
Is there anything that has confirmed that Star Wars Journeys is canon? It's been released in the gray area period before any other new canon has come out, so I'm not certain that it is to be considered canon. Tainb&#39;ocu&#39;chulainn (talk) 13:20, May 28, 2014 (UTC)


 * Its an exact adaptation of the film, for one. Secondly, Lucasfilm has stated that all games released after the EU "reboot" are canon. Dentface (talk) 16:28, June 28, 2014 (UTC)

Galactic Standard Calendar
The Galactic Standard Calendar is no longer canon, but we're using it here for our timeline. Should we be? ProfessorTofty (talk) 20:10, May 30, 2014 (UTC)
 * I was wondering the same thing. The seven films still have the year they take place, and Rebels still says it takes place five years before A New Hope. Did they decide to keep the calender, or should we remove the years?173.89.43.12 01:01, August 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * I say we play it safe and remove the years. The Lothal Callender could be the new Galaxy wide system, or they may bring back BBY/ABY, but we should play it safe until such an announcement. AV-6R7 User talk:AV-6R7 02:20, August 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * May I point out that the years had been removed from the article over a month ago and that this conversation is currently irrelevant? Doctor Kermit ( Complain. ) 02:38, August 1, 2014 (UTC)
 * I will allow this. AV-6R7 User talk:AV-6R7 07:49, August 1, 2014 (UTC)

Blade Squadron canonocity
Do we have a valid source stating that the short story Blade Squadron is indeed canon and not legends? DarthRevan1173 (Long live Lord Revan) 03:30, May 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * For the time being, we only have that report from the fan website Lightsaber Rattling. Granted, this is not much, but the picture they provide looks enough like a genuine extract from a preview of SW Insider 150. At any rate, the issue will be released on June 10; if it turns out the whole thing was bogus, it won't be long until we can fix this all. -- Lelal Mekha  Old Republic military symbol.svg(Audience Room) 08:47, May 31, 2014 (UTC)

Release Dates
Hi All,

First of all thanks for the up-keep and work you have done on this page, it is a really useful tool. As a user of the site I just have a suggestion. Would it be possible to add an extra column in for the date of release? I would find it very useful and I am certain others would as well. The amount of Star Wars Canon media is going to go ballistic over the next few years with all the Film tie-ins, Rebels tie-ins, potential new TV shows and new Computer Games. I can envisage this page becoming a bit overwhelming and the ability to sort by release date would become even more useful.

If I had any skill or knowledge I would attempt to do this myself. Also, I wouldn't want to step on anybody's toes.

82.33.46.36 13:15, July 3, 2014 (UTC)

Is anyone opposed to this? We could just rename the now blank "year" column for release dates, since the canon timeline doesn't go by BBY/ABY. -- 19:52, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * I do not think I would be in favor of adding the release dates to the timeline. It's primary purpose is as an in-universe relative timeline. As there will almost certainly be a canonical dating system in the (hopefully near) future, replacing the "Year" column would make for a messy situation whenever that comes out. I'd be more inclined to add a column to the right, but there is already a lot of info jammed onto this page already, and I do not think it would serve very well. Release dates can already be found on individual article pages, the OOU year pages (ex. 2014) and at one time on List of Star Wars media, but that last doesn't seem to have been updated recently. Tainb&#39;ocu&#39;chulainn (talk) 20:40, July 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * --Morawcik (talk) 07:00, July 31, 2014 (UTC) That why there is Writer(s) column? It's not "in-universe" writer(s).

What about using the Rebels Lothal Year? In the absence of anything else, it gives us the dates we need, cf. Ezra Bridger. --Morbus Iff (talk) 20:11, July 25, 2014 (UTC)

OK, thanks for considering. My thoughts were that this list could be sorted by release date as an additional option. It could then be used to see what has recently been released. Does anybody know of an alternative? I thought this list could have been good for this as it is very complete and has all of the different media in one place.

82.33.46.36 00:15, July 28, 2014 (UTC)

Rebels Episode Novelizations
If The Rebellion Begins by Michael Kogge is on this list, then shouldn't Rise of the Rebels releasing Aug 5 2014 and Droids in Distress releasing Nov 18, 2014 be on there as well? All three books are episode novelizations, so shouldn't they all be on the list?--Macewindu1999 (talk) 19:25, July 25, 2014 (UTC)macewindu1999
 * I'd say so. There's a bunch of young reader books coming out in two weeks too which are "adventures". --Morbus Iff (talk) 20:09, July 25, 2014 (UTC)


 * I, however, wouldn't add those young reader books to the list because they are pretty much just depicting scenes, and wouldn't add anything to canon, but I would add any chapter books that come out.--72.94.62.242 20:29, July 25, 2014 (UTC)macewindu1999


 * I waffle back and forth on the young readers stuff. Comic books are "just scenes with words" too. For me, if a young readers book has them going on an "adventure" and "doing something", then it's adding something to the canon. And, as such, it should be noted. It's unfair to say "well, this new factoid in this young readers book should go into the Ezra article, but the book isn't good enough to go into the timeline...". --Morbus Iff (talk) 23:02, July 25, 2014 (UTC)

Leland Chee
Just to make things confusing, Leland Chee said here that ANH is still Year 0. --Alientraveller (talk) 19:48, August 7, 2014 (UTC)
 * This is not confusing. Chee first gave us the time spans between the movies, and he used TPM as a starting point since it's the OOU beginning of the saga. But ANH is still the in-universe reference. -- Lelal Mekha  Old Republic military symbol.svg(Audience Room) 13:02, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * I was wondering if this meant we list TPM as B32, as it's currently Year 0 on our timeline. --Alientraveller (talk) 13:18, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * https://twitter.com/HolocronKeeper/status/497744892207316992 So it seems like we need to change our timeline once more.--Hafje (talk) 18:53, August 9, 2014 (UTC)

The dates need to be adjusted on the Timeline of media page, Leeland has confirmed the BBY/ABY system is still in place. --98.222.80.150 12:50, August 11, 2014 (UTC) Darth Maul - Son of Dathomir uses the BBY/ABY system BTW. Patsoumas1995 (talk) 19:47, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * I don't recall him saying the BBY/ABY timeline is still in place, just that the tweet using Episode I as Year 0 was not indicative of a new dating system (just a reference to how many years are between each movie/TV show, with Episode I as the chronological beginning). Do you have a link to where he said the BBY/ABY system is still in place? - Brandon Rhea (talk) 16:10, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * This tweet doesn't explicitly say "BBY" or "ABY", but does say that "We'll still use timelines that mark Star Wars: Episode IV - A New Hope as Year 0." Which all but confirms BBY/ABY is staying, at least from an OOU perspective, if not as an IU dating system. Tainb&#39;ocu&#39;chulainn (talk) 16:27, August 11, 2014 (UTC)
 * Those were presumably printed before the Canon/Legends announcement, so the basic consensus was to wait to see what newer works&mdash;such as A New Dawn&mdash;say about a dating system before committing to anything based on Son of Dathomir. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 21:59, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

It seems like this "Lothal Year" might be a new dating system that could be applied to all galactic events. It is kind of inconvenient the way they rebooted the EU like this but I understand why they did it. Matt Seay (talk) 22:06, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * Lothal Year is specific to Lothal, so should only be used on pages relating to Lothal. Once there's an official galactic dating system, then that system can be applied to all relevant pages. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 22:09, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

If A New Hope is still Year Zero, I see no reason to do away with BBY/ABY. But That is up to LucasFilm. Matt Seay (talk)

Timeline section for media
Since there are these numbers starting with TPM at 0 and going up to 66 for Episode VII should these be how the timeline section for films/tv shows, etc be done, putting that number on it? Matt Seay (talk) 09:54, August 12, 2014 (UTC)
 * As noted and discussed in the above topic, Leland Chee has confirmed that A New Hope is still year 0. Tainb&#39;ocu&#39;chulainn (talk) 17:39, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

I was wanting to make sure. I was confused by the numbering system. Matt Seay (talk) 21:56, August 12, 2014 (UTC)

Chapter Books
I can see an argument for adding chapter books to the timeline, but I still don't agree that they should be added for a number of reasons. One, they were not added previously for a reason - who really wants to know when a book targeted at 6-8 year olds is set in the timeline? It doesn't serve a benefit. Second, their adherence to canon is questionable at best. Most children's books take liberties with storyline/dialogue/etc that should not be held up next to a novel/film/tv show's depiction of events as equally viable canon. Third, I object to the reclassification of media on this page without public discussion. I will submit to majority opinion (see the timeline dating, about which I was eventually proven correct), but I want to have a voice in the discussion. Tainb&#39;ocu&#39;chulainn (talk) 16:27, August 13, 2014 (UTC) The Star Wars: Rebels: Story & Activity Book will also have an original story in it, so it should be added. There will also be 2 more Servants of the Empire novels, and 2 more untitled chapter books. Patsoumas1995 (talk) 21:45, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Why is this even a debate? The name of the page is "Timeline of canon media," not "Timeline of some canon media." It's canonical and it's media, therefore it should be here. We have more specific pages&mdash;i.e. Timeline of canon comics, Timeline of canon books, and so forth&mdash;in order to filter things. This page is the catch-all. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 16:32, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * Per Brandon. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:13, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * I really want to know when any media is part of the timeline, regardless of whom the audience is. --Morbus Iff (talk) 16:54, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * FWIW, I added all the young readers and junior books to a filterable category so you can "click to hide" the things you don't care to see. --Morbus Iff (talk) 16:57, August 13, 2014 (UTC)
 * I think we need to record everything here. No exceptions. AV-6R7 User talk:AV-6R7 22:35, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Yes, everything. This isn't really up for debate. This is a catch-all page. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 22:43, August 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * Do you have any sources Patsoumas? -- 03:52, August 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * In the amazon.com page, it says that it will include "an original Star Wars Rebels tale". Patsoumas1995 (talk) 12:53, August 17, 2014 (UTC)
 * You should also add the new Disney junior novels of episodes 4-6. --(Macewindu1999)

Commander not canon
I read that at the Star Wars Commander 'Meet the Creators' event the creators said it wasn't canon due to "game mechanics" -Macewindu1999
 * Do you have a link to verify this? - Brandon Rhea (talk) 02:41, August 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * Presumably here, though I've yet to find a video recording: http://www.theforce.net/story/front/Report_From_Star_Wars_Commander_Meet_The_Creators_Event_In_New_York_159561.asp https://twitter.com/ericgeller/statuses/502585131350364160 --Morbus Iff (talk) 00:14, August 26, 2014 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think they don't mean the entire thing is non-canon, just that not all of the story is canon because it can be customized, and not all of the vehicles work the same way. (In game, AT-ATs are being transported by Imp Shuttles, and AT-STs have the firepower of only ten stormtroopers.) In other words, not all the numbers are correct, and only one ending will be canon, but it is canon that the Empire used 2B Hover Tanks and AT-MPs. We'll have to wait for further info. CloneMarshalCommanderCody (talk) 00:13, September 5, 2014 (UTC)
 * That was exactly how I interpreted-- that material within it was considered canon unless a particular detail is only true based on a gameplayer decision. In other words, Saponza exists, but who can say whether he ever sided with the Empire or the Rebellion? ProfessorTofty (talk) 00:23, September 5, 2014 (UTC)

Junior Novelizations
First of all, I most certainly believe they should be on this list. I just think they should be either lumped into the young readers category or be given a category of their own, rather than remaining in the novels category. I would like to be able to press "hide junior novelizations" so I can only see "the real deal." CloneMarshalCommanderCody (talk) 00:55, September 10, 2014 (UTC)