Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Log/2008 June 27

[19:17] 	Once again, I bid you all dim and very evil greetings! [19:17] =-=	Mode #wookieepedia-inquisitorius -i by Gonk [19:17] 	muahahahahaaaaa [19:17] 	Our first article up is Grievous. [19:17] 	Hmmm. [19:17] 	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Grievous&diff=2054090&oldid=1982307 [19:17] 	Keep, but I'm biased. [19:17] 	But only slightly [19:17] 	Probation. [19:17] 	For your viewing delight, though you're supposed to read these beforehand. [19:17] 	It *is* on probation, Grae. [19:17] 	:-P [19:18] 	Hmmm. [19:18] 	Keep. [19:18] 	What was wrong with it aside from Obession? [19:18] 	I'd go for an extension of it, then, based on the limited progress made. [19:18] 	Just not kill. [19:18] <Graestan>	it didn't pass review all that long ago [19:18] <The4dotelipsis>	Chack's addressed all the objections that were placed on the page...hasn't he? [19:19] <AdmirableAckbar>	I looks, I dunno, like it ought to be a little longer. [19:19] <Ataru>	Yes, he did. [19:19] <Gonk>	Keep [19:19] <Ataru>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Grievous_%28second_review%29 [19:19] <AdmirableAckbar>	Though I'm no expert. [19:19] <Ataru>	Keep [19:19] <Darth_Culator>	Looks fine to me, though that's not really my area. [19:19] <Ataru>	He did everything we wanted. [19:19] <Graestan>	eh, keep [19:19] <Ataru>	It's kept. [19:19] <Ataru>	Next up! [19:19] <Ataru>	Pre-Republic era [19:19] <Gonk>	No [19:19] <Ataru>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Pre-Republic_era&diff=2045427&oldid=1982309 [19:19] <The4dotelipsis>	No sale. [19:20] <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. [19:20] <Ataru>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Pre-Republic_era [19:20] <ChackJadson>	Kill [19:20] <Graestan>	KILL [19:20] <AdmirableAckbar>	Kill. [19:20] <Graestan>	that article is terrible [19:20] <Ataru>	That last objection hasn't been done at all. Kill. [19:20] <AdmirableAckbar>	Has a tag on it. [19:20] <Ataru>	I have two proxy kills from Fiolli and Grey. [19:20] <Ataru>	It's dead. [19:20] <Ataru>	Unless two vote to keep. [19:20] <Ataru>	Culator? [19:20] <Darth_Culator>	Nope. [19:20] <AdmirableAckbar>	Tope says kill. [19:20] <Ataru>	It's dead, then. [19:21] <Ataru>	Carrick [19:21] <Ataru>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Zayne_Carrick&diff=2053804&oldid=1982312 [19:21] <The4dotelipsis>	Keep. [19:21] <Graestan>	Keep. [19:21] <AdmirableAckbar>	Who's work was this originally? [19:21] <The4dotelipsis>	Sikon's. [19:21] <AdmirableAckbar>	Ah. [19:21] <The4dotelipsis>	And, obviously, it's needed updating. [19:21] <Ataru>	It's kept. [19:21] <ChackJadson>	Eh...keep [19:21] <AdmirableAckbar>	And who's been updating it? [19:21] <Ataru>	That's 3 keeps, no 4. [19:21] <Ataru>	4dot did a lot of the work. [19:21] <The4dotelipsis>	Acky: A variety of people. [19:21] <The4dotelipsis>	I just cleaned up the refs. [19:21] <AdmirableAckbar>	Hmmm. [19:21] <The4dotelipsis>	And I am scarred for life for having done su. [19:21] <Ataru>	4 keeps is kept. [19:21] <The4dotelipsis>	so. :( [19:22] <AdmirableAckbar>	Eh, I'll abstain. [19:22] <Ataru>	Next victim! [19:22] <Ataru>	Atris [19:22] <The4dotelipsis>	Bahlete. [19:22] <Ataru>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Atris&diff=2042676&oldid=1982319 [19:22] <AdmirableAckbar>	Kill [19:22] <ChackJadson>	Kill [19:22] <AdmirableAckbar>	Tope says kill [19:22] <Graestan>	ugh [19:22] <Ataru>	Kill. [19:22] <AdmirableAckbar>	Btw, if anyone wants to, we can discuss Sorrow. I no longer care. [19:22] <AdmirableAckbar>	But I doubt anyone does. [19:22] <Ataru>	2 kills from Grey and Fiolli. [19:22] <Gonk>	Ain't-tris [19:23] <Ataru>	Ackbar: Sorrow will be speedy-kept. [19:23] <Ataru>	I already know we have 2 keep votes at least. [19:23] <AdmirableAckbar>	Ugh. Okay. What's next? [19:23] <Ataru>	Culator? [19:23] <Ataru>	Anyone else on Atris? [19:23] <AdmirableAckbar>	Though that has to be the worst reasoning I've ever seen. [19:23] <Ataru>	It's dead then. [19:23] <Darth_Culator>	Did we skip Isolder? [19:23] <Ataru>	Culator: Uhhh. [19:23] <AdmirableAckbar>	Ataru: are you including the fact that I have Tope's proxy vote in your calculations? [19:23] <Ataru>	I think so. [19:24] <Ataru>	Yeah, I did. My mistake. [19:24] <Ataru>	Isolder! [19:24] <The4dotelipsis>	Keep. [19:24] <ChackJadson>	Kill [19:24] <Ataru>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Isolder&diff=2041962&oldid=1982317 [19:24] <AdmirableAckbar>	I hate this guy so much. [19:24] <Ataru>	Ackbar: Inq keep/kills aren't purely ratios. [19:24] <AdmirableAckbar>	Ew, header reffing. [19:24] <AdmirableAckbar>	Oh, right. [19:24] <Ataru>	Snap Isolder's neck. [19:24] <AdmirableAckbar>	The 2 votes thing? [19:24] <Ataru>	Yes. [19:24] <Darth_Culator>	Not seeing any unresolved issues. [19:25] <AdmirableAckbar>	Ataru: not a big issue, but how come that didn't matter for the new Inqs? [19:25] <Graestan>	can the header refs go? [19:25] <Ataru>	Header reffing is against MOS. [19:25] <The4dotelipsis>	They're gone, aren't they? [19:25] <Darth_Culator>	That would be an easy fix. [19:25] <Ataru>	Ackbar: They aren't article.s [19:25] <Ataru>	If we kill the header reffing, I'll vote keep. [19:25] <Graestan>	Kill, as is [19:25] <Gonk>	Per Ataru [19:25] <AdmirableAckbar>	Isolder doesn't look great. [19:25] <The4dotelipsis>	Oh, pfft. [19:25] <The4dotelipsis>	I'll do that now. [19:25] <AdmirableAckbar>	It certainly wouldn't make it on the nom page. [19:25] <The4dotelipsis>	Give me 30 seconds. [19:26] <Ataru>	Actually, scratch that vote and make it extend probation. [19:26] <Ataru>	This needs a more thorough review. [19:26] <Ataru>	The Invincible section is somewhat lacking. . . [19:26] <Graestan>	I'd say I agree with Ataru [19:26] <ChackJadson>	Intro needs a rewrite [19:26] <Graestan>	I more in-depth look [19:26] <ChackJadson>	Can we extend probation? [19:26] <AdmirableAckbar>	I....delete. [19:26] <Graestan>	Sure [19:26] <Graestan>	We do it all de time [19:26] <Ataru>	No relationships section. . . or anything close to it in P&T. [19:26] <AdmirableAckbar>	It looks GA-level detail to me. [19:26] <Ataru>	Chack: yes. [19:26] * Gonk	extrudes the probe [19:26] <Darth_Culator>	People who have a vendetta against Sorrow need to review the concept of "ex post facto" and "double jeopardy" and then go fuck themselves. [19:26] <ChackJadson>	K [19:26] <AdmirableAckbar>	Though I've only read Edge of Victory. [19:27] <Ataru>	Lacking in YJK detail too. [19:27] <AdmirableAckbar>	Culator: it's not a vendetta against Sorrow. It's a vendetta against articles which don't meet the requirements. [19:27] <Ataru>	He uh, has a bunch of cameos there. [19:27] <Gonk>	Looks like we DO need to actually talk about Sorrow [19:27] <AdmirableAckbar>	Kill. [19:27] <Ataru>	Hey. [19:27] <Ataru>	Stay on topic. [19:27] <ChackJadson>	Are we talking about Sorrow or not? [19:27] <Ataru>	We're on Isolder. [19:27] <Gonk>	Not yet [19:27] <Graestan>	Loosen uo! [19:27] <Graestan>	p* [19:27] <Graestan>	:/ [19:27] <Ataru>	I can't vote count two different noms! [19:27] <The4dotelipsis>	Speaking of which, go read Krail. :P [19:27] <AdmirableAckbar>	I say kill Isolder. So does Tope. [19:28] <Ataru>	Well, all the things we listed were fixed. [19:28] <The4dotelipsis>	Ok... [19:28] <Ataru>	But we didn't list a lot. [19:28] <Gonk>	I'm happy with extended probe or keep. [19:28] <AdmirableAckbar>	That's true. [19:28] <The4dotelipsis>	I've got rid of the header refing on Isolder. [19:28] <AdmirableAckbar>	Okay, extended probe, in that case. [19:28] <Graestan>	Sheesh. Looking at this Isolder, the detail really is lacking, and some stuff could use a proper rewrite. [19:28] <Ataru>	So I say extend the period of probation. [19:28] <Ataru>	Because we didn't list it. [19:28] <Graestan>	I'd change my vote to kill over probation, even. [19:28] <The4dotelipsis>	By all means, extend the probation. [19:28] <ChackJadson>	Extend, then [19:28] <Darth_Culator>	Yes. [19:28] <The4dotelipsis>	But we're not allowed to kill it at this point. [19:28] <AdmirableAckbar>	Extend. Tope says extend. [19:28] <Graestan>	True. [19:29] <Ataru>	Okay, we'll extend it and call it consensus unless anyone wants to protest that. [19:29] <The4dotelipsis>	It's not as though anyone's going to read it. :P [19:29] <Ataru>	Isolder has been extended! [19:29] <Ataru>	Okay, now back to the proper order. [19:29] <The4dotelipsis>	How very Wolvertonesque! [19:29] <Darth_Culator>	Ick. [19:29] <Graestan>	:/ [19:29] <Ataru>	Apparently Mount Sorrow is up. [19:29] <Gonk>	Keep per Fiolli's "grandfathered in" argument. [19:30] <AdmirableAckbar>	I...don't understand this. [19:30] <The4dotelipsis>	Keep per we did this last week. [19:30] <The4dotelipsis>	Last time, sorry. [19:30] <Ataru>	I don't believe in grandfather clauses. [19:30] <Ataru>	Kill. [19:30] <Darth_Culator>	Keep per dead horse clause. [19:30] <ChackJadson>	Kill [19:30] <AdmirableAckbar>	Kill. Tope says kill. [19:30] <Ataru>	We have 3 keeps. [19:30] <Ataru>	It's kept. [19:30] <Graestan>	Extend that probation! [19:30] <AdmirableAckbar>	But really, I don't get this. [19:30] <The4dotelipsis>	That's three keeps, game over, next question! [19:30] <AdmirableAckbar>	Next. [19:30] <Ataru>	And Mt. Sorrow will *not* be brought up next meeting. :-| [19:30] <Ataru>	Missile Boat! [19:30] <AdmirableAckbar>	heh [19:30] <Gonk>	I also think maybe on the next agenda, something about a purge-dealie [19:30] <Graestan>	Uff [19:30] <Ataru>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Missile_Boat [19:30] <The4dotelipsis>	Hmm. [19:30] <Graestan>	Unless GT can work more magic on it, kill. [19:30] <Ataru>	I vote for probation. [19:30] <The4dotelipsis>	What was it that was missing? [19:30] <AdmirableAckbar>	This one's been changed a lot since it passed. [19:30] <Ataru>	It's lacking in refs. [19:31] <The4dotelipsis>	Right... [19:31] <AdmirableAckbar>	4dot: just a lot of change, AFAIK, and suspect edits. [19:31] <Ataru>	Both in body, and in the infobox. [19:31] <The4dotelipsis>	Could we go back to the version of the article that passed nomination, then? [19:31] <AdmirableAckbar>	Well... [19:31] <The4dotelipsis>	Unless they were made by mistau1 or GT... [19:31] <Ataru>	And BTS. [19:31] <AdmirableAckbar>	I suggest probing and asking GT about it. [19:31] <The4dotelipsis>	Sure. [19:31] <AdmirableAckbar>	Since he's the expert. [19:31] <Graestan>	Probe. [19:31] <The4dotelipsis>	I'm just saying that it might be a quick fix... [19:32] <ChackJadson>	Probe [19:32] <Ataru>	There's at least 6 unreffed paras in there. [19:32] <Graestan>	Well, sifting through and removing that one dolt's fanon may not be complete. [19:32] <Ataru>	If I counted right. [19:32] <Ataru>	I'm getting a general probation vibe. [19:32] <Ataru>	Culator? [19:32] <Ataru>	Gonk? [19:32] <AdmirableAckbar>	It's probed, I believe. [19:32] <Darth_Culator>	Yes. [19:32] <Gonk>	Per Acky [19:32] <AdmirableAckbar>	Tope says probe. [19:32] <Graestan>	I'd say probe but I am not smiling on it. [19:33] <Ataru>	Well, that's consensus. [19:33] <Graestan>	In a month, it will die, if someone doesn't salvage it. [19:33] <Ataru>	It's up for probation. [19:33] <Ataru>	Anyone else have noms for review? [19:33] <Ataru>	*articles. [19:33] <Graestan>	Battle of Khar Delba [19:33] <AdmirableAckbar>	Tope mentioned something to me, actually. [19:33] <Graestan>	:P [19:33] <AdmirableAckbar>	Some Mark-something assassin droid...? [19:33] <Graestan>	Since I fraudulently railroaded it. XD [19:33] <Ataru>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mark_VII_experimental_prototype_assassin_droid [19:34] <Ataru>	No immediate glaring errors. [19:34] <Ataru>	What is it about it, Acky? [19:34] <AdmirableAckbar>	I dunno. [19:34] <Graestan>	Not a bad article, actually, in my opinion. [19:34] <Darth_Culator>	Except a picture of Revan that needs to die. [19:34] <Graestan>	Oh, snap. [19:34] <Graestan>	I got on Goodwood about so many of those, and missed that one! [19:34] <AdmirableAckbar>	Yeah, skip this. Onto the agenda. [19:34] <The4dotelipsis>	"Wood article" is not a legal objection. :P [19:34] <Ataru>	Well, we'll let Tope bring it up next time. [19:34] <Ataru>	:-P [19:35] <Ataru>	Anyway, now for the agenda items. [19:35] <AdmirableAckbar>	Here comes the big one. [19:35] <Ataru>	Self-voting is up first. [19:35] <Ataru>	hooo boy. [19:35] <Gonk>	No, no, a thousand times no [19:35] <Graestan>	No self-votes. [19:35] <Ataru>	Do we want the Inq to be able to vote on their own noms? [19:35] <Gonk>	There's no good reason to do this, and countless good reasons not to. [19:35] <AdmirableAckbar>	Yes. [19:35] <Graestan>	We killed it, with consenus, for a reasonj. [19:35] <The4dotelipsis>	OK, I gots ta go. [19:35] <ChackJadson>	I could go either way [19:35] <Ataru>	I don't get that. Why don't we require 6 votes then? [19:35] <Gonk>	Fiolli also voted no fwiw [19:35] <AdmirableAckbar>	Tope says no. [19:35] <Ataru>	So did Greyman. [19:35] <Graestan>	Read Fiolli's bit. [19:36] * The4dotelipsis	throws a vial of liquid at the ground, smoke rises. [19:36] <Graestan>	Or better, paste it [19:36] |<--	The4dotelipsis has left irc.freenode.net ("This is not done yet, boy!") [19:36] <Gonk>	Ataru: I'd support requiring 6 votes ^_^ [19:36] <AdmirableAckbar>	I've read a lot about this subject. [19:36] <Ataru>	I've read it and I just don't understand. [19:36] <Graestan>	Fourdot says yes to self-noms. [19:36] <Ataru>	Especially when we have month-old noms that haven't been touched. [19:36] <AdmirableAckbar>	And, while I see what Fiolli is saying, I think there's two angles to take. [19:36] <Gonk>	6 votes with 1 Inq self-vote still makes it appear that Inqs get a freebie and regular users don't. [19:36] <AdmirableAckbar>	Also, I don't see the connection with Inq laziness. [19:36] <Graestan>	Exaclty. [19:36] <Gonk>	Nom =/= review [19:36] <Gonk>	It's that simple. [19:37] <Graestan>	Acky: He is referring to the slow speed. [19:37] <Ataru>	I tend to disagree, Gonk, but it's obvious I'm overruled here. [19:37] <AdmirableAckbar>	I meant Greyman's one. [19:37] <Graestan>	Inqs don't do the work enough, we blame anything and everything but ourselves. [19:37] * Gonk	puts on his professor robes and mentions that lesson #1 of revision in writing class is get as many other people -- besides yourself -- to look at it. [19:37] <Graestan>	Self-votes included. [19:37] <Graestan>	per Gonk [19:37] <AdmirableAckbar>	"In my opinion, allowing this will slowly open the doorway for the Inq laziness which proliferated the FAN page months ago, before the rule was enacted." [19:37] <Ataru>	Well, I've been fairly active on the FAN page recently, but that'll probably slow down. [19:38] <AdmirableAckbar>	Poor you. [19:38] <Graestan>	Acky: He means the Inqs that never vote except on their own stuff, which would be considered lazy. [19:38] <Gonk>	I don't care about the laziness thing. I care about *independent* reviews [19:38] <Ataru>	Not really. :-D [19:38] <Darth_Culator>	I believe self-voting should remain prohibited, as among other things it removes the incentive for certain types of individuals to run for Inqship. [19:38] <Ataru>	Gonk: I've worked in education before, and I agree with you about the need for independent reviews, but I still see a huge stack of FANs. [19:38] <Graestan>	Like cough cough cough. [19:38] <Gonk>	Ataru: it's summer. it'll diminish. [19:39] <Gonk>	It IS diminishing, at a pretty decent rate. [19:39] <Ataru>	If you say so. [19:39] <AdmirableAckbar>	We did vote in two new Inqs. [19:39] <Gonk>	And patience is one of the Jedi virtues. [19:39] <AdmirableAckbar>	Gonk: it's not diminishing. [19:39] <Graestan>	I've seen a 30+ queue twice since I came on the scene. [19:39] <Graestan>	No one died. [19:39] <AdmirableAckbar>	It fluctuates, mildly. [19:39] <Gonk>	Well, ok, not dimINishing, but moving anyway XD [19:39] <Graestan>	Look at the dates. [19:39] <Graestan>	They're not all from April. [19:39] <Ataru>	Corran and WS being obvious outliers. :-P [19:39] <Graestan>	Those are unfair examples! [19:39] <Graestan>	tl;dr [19:39] <Ataru>	Then again, anything outside 200KB *is* a statistical outlier in all sense of the word. [19:40] <Graestan>	WS is taking me days, because I get so distracted! [19:40] <Ataru>	In just about every category. [19:40] * AdmirableAckbar	might read some of Corran... [19:40] |<--	ChackJadson has left irc.freenode.net ("CGI:IRC") [19:40] <Ataru>	Anyway, we have clear consensus to not allow Inq self-noms. [19:40] <AdmirableAckbar>	But it doesn't look like Havac's gonna fix anything on it, actually. [19:40] -->|	Chack (n=[REDACTED]@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-f1b2435e9e056465) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [19:40] <Ataru>	I'm against it, but I don't get to conjure up my rulings when I want to. :-P [19:40] <Ataru>	We'll move on. [19:41] <Ataru>	Gonk: you have the floor on [19:41] <AdmirableAckbar>	Sofixit. [19:41] <Gonk>	Ah yes [19:41] <Graestan>	Gonk's gonna edit all this on the summary, anyhow. :P [19:41] * Ataru	swipes Gonk's popcorn. [19:41] <Gonk>	It usually does not take quite as long as one might think to come up with a better way to phrase something. Certainly not as long as it takes to copy-and-paste the passage into the FAN page and write up a big explanation of why it needs to be changed. Also, the writer is less well-suited to rephrasing than the objector, more often than not. [19:41] <Gonk>	I just think we shouldn't be leaving very many of those types of objections, and certainly not unless the objector seriously has no idea how better to say it. [19:41] <Gonk>	So... [19:41] <Ataru>	Are you talking about wording objections? [19:41] =-=	Mode #wookieepedia-inquisitorius +o Chack by Ataru [19:41] <Gonk>	what I propose is an explicit guideline, somewhere on the FAN page for everybody to see, that says don't make little piddly objections that you can fix just as easily yourself, because it's kind of rude and unproductive. [19:42] <AdmirableAckbar>	Gonk: it's even harder to find a better phrasing, and /then/ object. [19:42] <Ataru>	Try it now, Chack, sorry. [19:42] <AdmirableAckbar>	lol [19:42] <Graestan>	I only leave such objections when the sentence is a right mess, and I want to give the author the freedom to fix it how they want it. [19:42] <Gonk>	per Graestan [19:42] <AdmirableAckbar>	Per Grae. [19:42] <Ataru>	Per Graetan. [19:42] <Chack>	Thanks [19:42] |<--	Chack has left irc.freenode.net (Client Quit) [19:42] <AdmirableAckbar>	Say on that Legacy stormtrooper nom. [19:42] <Ataru>	If I can fix something myself, I typically do. [19:42] <Gonk>	Though I also think we should feel pretty bold about fixing icky sentences. [19:42] <Graestan>	I fix a lot of stuff on my own anyhow. [19:42] <AdmirableAckbar>	I left a fair few wording objections, but I also fixed stuff. [19:42] -->|	ChackJadson (n=[REDACTED]@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-bd95314bb6e64251) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [19:42] <Graestan>	I usually do, actually. [19:42] <Ataru>	If there's something I don't feel comfortable fixing, I usually don't. [19:42] =-=	Mode #wookieepedia-inquisitorius +o ChackJadson by Ataru [19:42] <AdmirableAckbar>	Some stuff I was unsure about or needed more work than I was willing to do. [19:43] <ChackJadson>	Sorry. my comp is being dumb... [19:43] <AdmirableAckbar>	We can't ever be expected to rewrite a paragraph or two. [19:43] <Gonk>	right [19:43] <AdmirableAckbar>	But things like Thrawn's things on Ozzel are pretty disgraceful. [19:43] <Ataru>	A lot of times, especially with 4dot noms, I haven't read the source, so I'm very careful about those. [19:43] <AdmirableAckbar>	The source is usually online :P [19:43] <Graestan>	I won't rewrite a run-on that needs to be two different sentences with different punctuation. Otherwise, I am usually game. [19:43] <AdmirableAckbar>	Per Grae. [19:44] <Graestan>	I also want to know what the author /means/ by what they are saying. [19:44] <Gonk>	see Grae, I'd attack that [19:44] <AdmirableAckbar>	Well, it depends, really. [19:44] <Gonk>	unless I foresee a meaning confusion, in which case yeah, I'll wait... or track the author down on IRC [19:44] <Graestan>	Sometimes, if I reword it, I might change the content to make it inaccurate. [19:44] <Gonk>	There's a ton of variation, which is why we can't have a rule about this. [19:44] <Ataru>	I don't see the need for us to forbid wording objections. A general guideline along the lines of "Don't leave objections over minor grammar errors you can fix." [19:44] <Ataru>	might be good. [19:44] <Ataru>	But nothing more. [19:44] <Gonk>	Yes [19:44] -->|	SN99|writing (n=[REDACTED]@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-e9b659c48e8670d9) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [19:44] <Gonk>	Per Ataru [19:44] <Graestan>	"Stop your pedestrian bullshit. NOW." [19:45] <ChackJadson>	Sounds good [19:45] <AdmirableAckbar>	The real bad thing is objections where you tell the mwhat to change it to. [19:45] <Ataru>	Does anyone object to that? [19:45] <Gonk>	I like it. Fiolli does too. [19:45] <AdmirableAckbar>	Ala Thrawn, and occasionally others (not Inqs, or anymore at any rate) [19:45] <Graestan>	Yes, exact wording changes are a hoot. [19:45] <Ataru>	Yeah, that's silly. [19:45] <Graestan>	Fourdot supports the guideline. [19:45] <AdmirableAckbar>	Especially when he doesn't even support the article when they've been fixed :| [19:45] <Gonk>	"Don't leave objections over minor grammar errors you can fix. Especially, don't object and then indicate what the wording should be changed to in your objection. Come on." [19:45] <Ataru>	Okay, consider the guideline approved. [19:45] -->|	Ozzel (n=chatzill@[REDACTED]) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [19:45] <AdmirableAckbar>	Approved. [19:45] |<--	ChackJadson has left irc.freenode.net (Client Quit) [19:46] <Ataru>	Next item up! [19:46] <Ataru>	Oh jeez. [19:46] -->|	Jadson (n=[REDACTED]@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-47c236e35cde71ee) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [19:46] <AdmirableAckbar>	Ozzel's proposal? [19:46] <Ataru>	Ozzel's proposal [19:46] -->|	Muuurgh (n=Muuurgh_@[REDACTED]) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [19:46] =-=	Mode #wookieepedia-inquisitorius +o Jadson by Ataru [19:46] <Jadson>	Really sorry guys. [19:46] <Ataru>	Great. We can be watched as we come up with a unified theory. [19:46] <AdmirableAckbar>	Well, this has already been pretty well covered. [19:46] <Ataru>	NP, Jadson. [19:46] <AdmirableAckbar>	S'okay, Chack, [19:46] * AdmirableAckbar	does that all the time XD [19:46] <Graestan>	Don't see much point in discussing it in here. We can do what we can to make the process faster on our end, but otherwise itall has to be sitewide CT. [19:46] <AdmirableAckbar>	Yeah. [19:46] <Ataru>	I think I speak for most of us when I say that I oppose it. [19:46] <Ataru>	And that most of you probably do too. [19:46] <Gonk>	I oppose it, as does Fiolli [19:47] * AdmirableAckbar	was hoping some of its proponents would be here, like Hydro. [19:47] <Graestan>	I won't even bother to comment in here--go participate in the CT, people! [19:47] <Ataru>	If we're not going to approve self-nom votes, there's no way I'd for for this. [19:47] <AdmirableAckbar>	But yeah, I'm happy to leave it to the forum. [19:47] <Ataru>	*I'd go for this. [19:47] * Ataru	senses a general "go to the forum" mood. [19:47] <AdmirableAckbar>	For the last topic, should we censor it? [19:47] <Ataru>	What? [19:47] <Ataru>	Encouraging people to review? [19:48] <Ataru>	Nah. [19:48] <AdmirableAckbar>	Yes, because names might be mentioned, but I guess not. [19:48] <Graestan>	Kick them in the balls, unless they are girls. Then, tell them politely to get on it. [19:48] <Gonk>	Oh, the grooming thing [19:48] <Ataru>	I mean, if we're actually voting on them, that'd be one thing. [19:48] <Ataru>	The grooming thing [19:48] <AdmirableAckbar>	See... [19:48] <Ataru>	Ackbar: The floor is your. [19:48] <Ataru>	*s. [19:48] <Gonk>	Graestan: no, this isn't a "lazy-ass Inqs" thing [19:48] <AdmirableAckbar>	Take user X, who I mentioned earlier. [19:48] <Graestan>	it's always that for me, Gonk! :P [19:48] <Graestan>	I groomed Cav. [19:48] <AdmirableAckbar>	He's only reviewed like 3 times, and they were good, but we don't know if he's consistent or whatever. [19:48] * Gonk	takes User X [19:48] <Graestan>	it worked [19:49] <AdmirableAckbar>	Grae: bah, I gave him a wookieecookie. [19:49] <AdmirableAckbar>	I noticed him first! :P [19:49] -->|	JorrelFraajic (n=chatzill@[REDACTED]) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [19:49] <AdmirableAckbar>	Anyway... [19:49] <Graestan>	yes, but I told him outright he was in [19:49] <Ataru>	I generally support the idea of grooming people for the job of Inqship. [19:49] * Ataru	knows that he and Greyman did the same thing with our other new Inq. [19:49] <Gonk>	as do I [19:49] <AdmirableAckbar>	We'd discuss someone and preliminarily accept them for next month. [19:49] <Graestan>	I proposed a sort of "keep in consideration" thing last fall, and everyone pissed on it [19:49] <Ataru>	Graestan: All in the timing, I suppose. [19:49] <Gonk>	I think that would help combat the phenomenon Trak Nar described of the Inq appearing sort of unattainable. [19:50] <Graestan>	per Gonk [19:50] <Ataru>	FWIW, Trak Nar is sorta. . . [19:50] <AdmirableAckbar>	Then someone they know tells them they're being strongly considered. [19:50] <Ataru>	yeah. [19:50] <Graestan>	but Trak is really just a loud n00b on this [19:50] <AdmirableAckbar>	They review, show us what they can do. [19:50] <AdmirableAckbar>	It'd also see if they're really interested. [19:50] <Graestan>	anyone who pays attention like I did knows what it takes to make it in [19:50] <AdmirableAckbar>	If someone's told about it and does nothing, we know we don't want them in. [19:50] <Jadson>	Don't make it too obvious that we're interested [19:50] <AdmirableAckbar>	I think we should, actually. [19:51] <Ataru>	I think we should too. [19:51] <Ataru>	We need to be transparent on this, at least. [19:51] <Jadson>	That's fine, I suppose [19:51] <Ataru>	Hence the lack of censorship on this particular discussion. [19:51] <AdmirableAckbar>	"You're being considered for the Inq" is gonna be more effective than "you should review more," I think. [19:51] <Graestan>	all of my private Inq candidates thus far--Fiolli and Tope--I have told outright [19:51] <Jadson>	Indeed [19:51] <Ataru>	Now, for actual membership, we can say things quietly. [19:51] <AdmirableAckbar>	So, can I take Harrar? [19:51] <Gonk>	Yeah. Worst that can happen is they join and become lazy. Or they fuck shit up and we boot 'em. [19:51] * Ataru	has told all his private Inq candidates as well. [19:52] * AdmirableAckbar	wasn't a candidate :( :P [19:52] <Ataru>	you didn't want it for awhile. [19:52] <Ataru>	Remember? [19:52] <AdmirableAckbar>	Yeah. [19:52] <AdmirableAckbar>	And I didn't really earn it... [19:52] <Ataru>	B. S. [19:52] <Gonk>	Bah, neither did I [19:52] <AdmirableAckbar>	Also: [19:52] <AdmirableAckbar>	should we try to tell them privately? [19:52] <AdmirableAckbar>	Like via email or private chat? [19:52] <Jadson>	Yes [19:53] <Ataru>	Ackbar: When you found the Inq, you can make judgments about who's good at it. You're more than good enough. [19:53] <AdmirableAckbar>	Fair enough. [19:53] <Gonk>	I'd say this is not a Talk Page thing. :| [19:53] <Ataru>	And that's found as in "start" :-P [19:53] <AdmirableAckbar>	Gonk: my only concern... [19:53] <AdmirableAckbar>	Actually, nevermind. [19:53] <Ataru>	Well . . . I dunno. [19:53] <Ataru>	It's not that big a deal IMHO. [19:53] <AdmirableAckbar>	Well... [19:54] <AdmirableAckbar>	If people see it on others' talk pages, they might badger us. [19:54] <Gonk>	Precisely. [19:54] <Ataru>	The big thing I don't want to see is what Ackbar described. [19:54] <Gonk>	"BUT I`S AWESUM TO" [19:54] <Ataru>	With that in mind, we're better off keeping it on the DL [19:54] <Jadson>	My thoughts exactly [19:54] * Graestan	exorcises Tnu from Gonk's body [19:55] <Gonk>	Whew! thanks [19:55] * Ataru	sprinkles holy water [19:55] <Graestan>	Oh, no. [19:55] <Gonk>	I was getting tired of masturbating with that crucifix. [19:55] <Graestan>	Use leee-queeeed metal. [19:55] <Ataru>	Whoa! Gonk, calm down. [19:55] <Gonk>	No thanks XD [19:55] <Ataru>	Any other thoughts on Acky's idea? [19:55] <Ataru>	Culator? [19:55] <AdmirableAckbar>	Does anyone want t o take Xadun? [19:56] <Graestan>	I already do it, on the side. [19:56] <Ataru>	Ackbar: What does he work on? [19:56] <AdmirableAckbar>	I think he might be busy or something atm, hence the not fixing objections. [19:56] <AdmirableAckbar>	Actually, too early for him. [19:56] <Graestan>	Acky should take Xadun since they have interacted. [19:56] <AdmirableAckbar>	But yeah...he got potential. [19:56] <AdmirableAckbar>	I already took Harrar, though. [19:56] <Ataru>	If Acky wants to, he can, or I can do it. [19:56] <Ataru>	As long as he's not TOTJ. [19:56] <AdmirableAckbar>	Okay, that works. [19:56] <Ataru>	I don't want to walk on their turf. :-P [19:56] <Graestan>	You're the n00b Inq and you do what I say until Tommy and Cav find out they'rethe n00b Inqs! [19:56] <AdmirableAckbar>	hah [19:56] * Ataru	passes Graestan the rattan cane. [19:57] <Ataru>	Do what must be done, Graestan. :-P [19:57] <Ataru>	n00b Inqs usually get to do all sorts of unpleasant tasks. [19:57] <Graestan>	all the archiving [19:57] <Graestan>	WAIT [19:57] <AdmirableAckbar>	Meh. I can always quit. [19:57] <Graestan>	Acky... [19:57] <AdmirableAckbar>	Yeah? [19:57] <Ataru>	For example, Jadson: If you would be so kind as to tag Missile Boat when we're done. [19:57] * AdmirableAckbar	...isn't attached to his position. [19:57] <Graestan>	how much have you archived? [19:57] <Jadson>	Sure [19:57] <AdmirableAckbar>	Uh, one or two. [19:57] <Ataru>	Thanks. :-) [19:57] <AdmirableAckbar>	Before I became an Inq. [19:58] <Jadson>	NP [19:58] <Ataru>	You know the template, right? [19:58] <Jadson>	Yeah [19:58] <AdmirableAckbar>	Grae: why...? [19:58] <Graestan>	poor GT has a bad back [19:58] <Gonk>	So are we done? [19:58] <Graestan>	and you make him slave all day [19:58] <Ataru>	So Ackbar volunteered to remove and archive all the scratched FAs, right? [19:58] <Ataru>	Gonk: Just about. [19:59] <Ataru>	Anyone have anything else? [19:59] <AdmirableAckbar>	No. [19:59] <Ataru>	Going once . . . [19:59] <Gonk>	we have one minute [19:59] <Ataru>	Twice . . . [19:59] <AdmirableAckbar>	Bah, it's 1 am. [19:59] <Graestan>	Let's talk about lawns. [19:59] <Ataru>	Going three times . . . [19:59] <AdmirableAckbar>	2 am. [19:59] <Gonk>	Let's talk about pesto. [19:59] <AdmirableAckbar>	Jeez. [19:59] <Ataru>	MEETING ADJOURNED