Wookieepedia:EduCorps/Meeting 51/Log

[21:01:26]  Welcome, then, to EC meeting 51 [21:01:51]  Ayrehead02, ecks, exiledjedi, MasterFred, QGJ_, Tommy-Macaroni [21:02:01]  So, starting with old articles [21:02:14]  https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mud_Jumpers [21:02:18]  https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7722404 [21:02:22]  https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:EC/Mud_Jumpers [21:02:55]  Ugh, stuff was done but nobody commented on the review page. [21:03:26]  Still issues too, that Solo date doesn't work [21:03:40]  Extend? Or just kill? [21:03:41]  Intro needs to be expanded [21:03:48]  And the Bts is now just a prose version of the appearances/sources. [21:03:55]  I'd say just kill it [21:04:18]  An attempt was made, but if they can't be bothered to update the review page [21:04:45]  It's probably gonna go to AC anyway isn't it? [21:04:49]  Also more context is needed [21:05:01]  I'd say we should, to be fair, extend. [21:05:14] <Tommy-Macaroni> I agree [21:05:16] <MasterFred> They "addressed" all the issues. They just caused more issues in the process. [21:05:16] <Ayrehead02> Sure [21:05:18] Was the last objection handled? [21:05:25] <QGJ_> Seems like it was [21:05:34] <Tommy-Macaroni> I don't know what CP meant there [21:06:05] <MasterFred> Yeah, not sure what CP is referring to. [21:06:08] <Tommy-Macaroni> 231 words [21:06:17] I'm fine with extending though. [21:06:27] <Tommy-Macaroni> I could see it as a GAN [21:06:27] <QGJ_> Maybe since it was just regurgitating the sources list? [21:06:27] <Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah, extend [21:06:33] <Tommy-Macaroni> Hopefully for the last time [21:06:36] <QGJ_> Extend then [21:06:53] <MasterFred> Extend [21:07:05] <Tommy-Macaroni> Mud Jumpers extended [21:07:36] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_Tatooine_astromech_droid [21:07:41] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7844865 [21:07:47] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:EC/Unidentified_Tatooine_astromech_droid_(second_review) [21:07:52] <QGJ_> Yes, this little guy [21:08:20] <QGJ_> So, to give some context. As I was digging through the game files to find some audio clips for the article [21:08:40] <QGJ_> I noticed that all folders that refer to this droid are titled R5-D2 [21:09:05] <QGJ_> I spoke with Toprawa regarding this. He thinks it's enough justification to merge the two articles [21:09:14] <MasterFred> I would agree [21:09:25] <Ayrehead02> Makes sense to me [21:09:28] <Tommy-Macaroni> Same [21:09:32] Makes sense, I think we have done the same in similar situations in the past. [21:10:08] <Tommy-Macaroni> What do we do in regards to status then? [21:10:12] <MasterFred> As long as nothing about the droid contradicts in any major way with existing R5-D2 information, I see no reason to believe they are not the same droid. [21:10:17] <MasterFred> kill and merge [21:10:24] <Ayrehead02> Kill and merge [21:10:28] <QGJ_> kill and merge [21:10:33] <Tommy-Macaroni> kill [21:10:47] kill / merge [21:10:57] <Tommy-Macaroni> Unidentified Tatooine astromech droid killed [21:11:01] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Shi%27kar [21:11:06] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7844869 [21:11:10] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:EC/Shi%27kar_(second_review) [21:11:30] <QGJ_> 251 words [21:11:31] <QGJ_> rip [21:11:47] <Tommy-Macaroni> f [21:11:56] <MasterFred> Yeah, did you wanna take it to the GAN, QGJ? :P [21:12:03] <QGJ_> I might [21:12:05] <Ayrehead02> If so we leave status [21:12:05] <QGJ_> at some point [21:12:10] <Ayrehead02> But if your aren [21:12:19] <Ayrehead02> *aren't going to we'll kill it [21:12:29] <MasterFred> Yeah, if everything is fixed, we also don't remove status for going over the word limit. [21:12:58] <QGJ_> oh, what the hell, I'll GAN it [21:13:13] <MasterFred> It should ideally be taken to the GAN, but I don't believe we kill CAs for going over 250 words. [21:13:16] <MasterFred> Hurray! [21:13:23] <Tommy-Macaroni> Keep, then [21:13:27] <MasterFred> keep [21:13:28] <Ayrehead02> Keep [21:13:33] Keep [21:13:41] <QGJ_> keep [21:13:48] <Tommy-Macaroni> Shi'kar kept [21:13:54] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Adler_Roty [21:13:57] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7924347 [21:14:01] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:EC/Adler_Roty [21:14:08] <Tommy-Macaroni> No change [21:14:10] <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill [21:14:12] <Ayrehead02> Kill [21:14:13] <QGJ_> easy kill [21:14:17] Kill [21:14:17] <MasterFred> kill [21:14:39] <Tommy-Macaroni> Adler Roty killed [21:14:39] <Tommy-Macaroni> nice [21:14:39] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Angry_machine [21:14:39] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7924353 [21:14:43] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:EC/Angry_machine [21:15:13] <QGJ_> I believe I got everything [21:15:18] <Ayrehead02> QGJ you've been going to task saving these things [21:15:30] <Tommy-Macaroni> Agreed [21:15:32] <QGJ_> This city needs a hero [21:15:34] <Tommy-Macaroni> I see no isses [21:15:44] <MasterFred> It's a keep for me. [21:15:47] <QGJ_> keep [21:16:01] <Tommy-Macaroni> keep [21:16:04] keep [21:16:07] <Ayrehead02> Keep [21:16:09] <MasterFred> I do prefer to see articles fixed, even if it's more work for us. haha [21:16:16] <MasterFred> If only because it's better for the reader. [21:16:18] <Tommy-Macaroni> Angry machine kept [21:16:26] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aplocaph [21:16:30] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7924355 [21:16:34] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:EC/Aplocaph [21:17:10] <QGJ_> Stuff needs to be done still. It would require some research on the timeframe that the story takes place [21:17:21] <QGJ_> I couldn't be bothered to do this, honestly [21:17:34] <Ayrehead02> So Kill? [21:17:36] <QGJ_> Unless someone else wants to fix this, I don't mind killing this [21:17:38] <Tommy-Macaroni> Are you happy for it to be killed [21:17:43] <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill, then [21:17:46] <QGJ_> kill [21:17:46] Kill [21:17:50] <MasterFred> execute it [21:17:56] <Tommy-Macaroni> Aplocaph killed [21:18:11] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aramb [21:18:15] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7924361 [21:18:19] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:EC/Aramb [21:18:26] <Tommy-Macaroni> No change [21:18:27] <Tommy-Macaroni> kill [21:18:31] <Ayrehead02> Kill [21:18:33] <MasterFred> kill [21:18:35] <QGJ_> kill [21:18:37] Kill [21:18:39] <Tommy-Macaroni> Aramb killed [21:18:44] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Atrivis_Advancer [21:18:48] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7924370 [21:18:51] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:EC/Atrivis_Advancer [21:19:00] <Tommy-Macaroni> no change [21:19:01] <Tommy-Macaroni> kill [21:19:09] kill [21:19:10] <Ayrehead02> Kill [21:19:12] <QGJ_> kill [21:19:15] <MasterFred> kill [21:19:23] <Tommy-Macaroni> Atrivis Advancer killed [21:19:28] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aubin_Kleej%27s_mother [21:19:30] <MasterFred> Can someone tell AL-BRT to please communicate on the review page, though? :P [21:19:36] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7924374 [21:19:41] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:EC/Aubin_Kleej%27s_mother [21:19:47] <MasterFred> kill [21:19:51] <Tommy-Macaroni> no change [21:19:53] <Tommy-Macaroni> kill [21:19:57] <QGJ_> kill [21:20:03] <Ayrehead02> Kill [21:20:05] <QGJ_> Now we're on a roll [21:20:09] kill [21:20:12] <Tommy-Macaroni> Aubin Kleej's mother killed [21:20:20] <Tommy-Macaroni> Damn I was gonna have that later [21:20:34] <Tommy-Macaroni> Okay, onto new stuff [21:21:12] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Felloux [21:21:21] <Tommy-Macaroni> These edits. The article currently variously calls the medium an "article" and a "novella." But most importantly, if the medium was cancelled, a link to its text on some external site should be provided in the article. [21:21:21] <Tommy-Macaroni> Use of the pronoun "this" in article body should be avoided per the past tense requirement. Imperators II(Talk) 15:49, November 20, 2018 (UTC) [21:21:29] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Felloux&diff=7963576&oldid=7868228 [21:22:06] <Ayrehead02> Probe [21:22:07] <QGJ_> Not sure about this date ref either [21:22:38] <Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah [21:22:40] <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe [21:22:41] <QGJ_> probe [21:22:49] probe [21:22:55] <MasterFred> probe [21:22:58] <Tommy-Macaroni> Felloux probed [21:23:06] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Forge_Robe [21:23:10] <MasterFred> It's referenced to the NEC, so it could be legit. [21:23:13] <Tommy-Macaroni> This edit, besides adding unsourced information only partially supported by the article's body, has also pointed out that the article is, indeed, missing a mention of the subject's color in the infobox (which I believe should include the brown elements mentioned in the body, BTW). Imperators II(Talk) 15:53, November 20, 2018 (UTC) [21:23:17] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Star_Forge_Robe&diff=7959710&oldid=7925562 [21:24:39] <QGJ_> probe [21:24:43] Probe [21:24:46] <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe [21:24:48] <Ayrehead02> Probe [21:25:04] <MasterFred> probe [21:25:04] <Tommy-Macaroni> Star Forge Robe probed [21:25:11] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tund [21:25:19] <Tommy-Macaroni> Recent edits need to be cleaned up, including a rewording of the body. [21:25:19] <Tommy-Macaroni> Grid coordinate is infobox-exclusive. [21:25:19] <Tommy-Macaroni> BTS needs a rewrite: [21:25:19] <Tommy-Macaroni> Information about the subject's first Canon appearances should precede any corresponding info regarding Legends continuity. [21:25:19] <Tommy-Macaroni> The laundry list of the Ultimate Star Wars authors is unnecessary, and so is the full publication date with its extraneous reference. [21:25:20] <Tommy-Macaroni> The article currently (and confusingly) mentions "Podracer pilot" (note the capitalization as well as terminology) in the body and "podracer" in BTS. I feel some consistency is needed. [21:25:20] <Tommy-Macaroni> Context for Episode I should be presented earlier in the relevant sentence. [21:25:21] <Tommy-Macaroni> Given the abovementioned recent edits, I believe the BTS should note that in the Legends continuity, Toong'L was the original homeworld of the Toong, who subsequently emmigrated to Tund. Imperators II(Talk) 16:04, November 20, 2018 (UTC) [21:25:21] <Tommy-Macaroni> The image should be rescanned in higher quality and with a wider crop providing some contextual information about the planet's placement. Imperators II(Talk) 16:05, November 20, 2018 (UTC) [21:25:24] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Tund&diff=7952534&oldid=7532824 [21:26:13] Probe [21:26:15] <Ayrehead02> Probe [21:26:19] <MasterFred> probe [21:26:21] <QGJ_> probe [21:26:29] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [21:26:40] <Tommy-Macaroni> Tund probed [21:26:48] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nack_Movers/Legends [21:26:54] <Tommy-Macaroni> This edit introduces infobox-exclusive information. [21:26:54] <Tommy-Macaroni> P&T quote is missing punctuation. Imperators II(Talk) 16:07, November 20, 2018 (UTC) [21:27:00] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Nack_Movers/Legends&diff=7954120&oldid=7658637 [21:27:30] Probe [21:27:35] <Ayrehead02> Probe [21:27:37] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [21:27:37] <MasterFred> probe [21:27:47] <QGJ_> probe [21:27:48] <Tommy-Macaroni> Nack Movers/Legends probed [21:27:52] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tulak_Hord%27s_lightsaber [21:27:58] <Tommy-Macaroni> Recent edits need to be verified for accuracy. If they're legit, the article will require a major overhaul. Imperators II(Talk) 16:10, November 20, 2018 (UTC) [21:28:02] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Tulak_Hord%27s_lightsaber&diff=7955823&oldid=7001660 [21:28:06] <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe [21:28:21] <Ayrehead02> Probe [21:28:29] Probe [21:28:31] <QGJ_> probe [21:28:49] <MasterFred> probe [21:28:52] <Tommy-Macaroni> Tulak Hord's lightsaber probed [21:28:57] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Honor_Guard [21:29:04] <Tommy-Macaroni> "the concept art gallery" of what? [21:29:04] <Tommy-Macaroni> "the Honor Guards" the definite article is not used in the rest of the article. [21:29:05] <Tommy-Macaroni> "other very similar caped Senate Guards" this needs some punctuation work, and where did those Senate Guards appear in? [21:29:05] <Tommy-Macaroni> "thus are only known to appear in "Senate Murders."" Whether this sentence is even relevant depends on the answer to the previous point. [21:29:05] <Tommy-Macaroni> "a comparison is made" no it isn't, it's just two separate concept art images. Imperators II(Talk) 16:21, November 20, 2018 (UTC) [21:29:22] <Tommy-Macaroni> A recent one [21:29:35] <Tommy-Macaroni> Oh, and: [21:29:38] <Tommy-Macaroni> This requires some further work. [21:29:42] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Honor_Guard&diff=7818828&oldid=7816570 [21:30:04] Probe [21:30:07] <Ayrehead02> Probe [21:30:09] <QGJ_> probe [21:30:11] <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe [21:30:35] <MasterFred> probe [21:30:47] <Tommy-Macaroni> Honor Guard probed [21:31:03] <Tommy-Macaroni> Some stuff from the maintenance bin: [21:31:09] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kalevala?t=20181116200909 [21:31:13] <Tommy-Macaroni> Update needed [21:31:23] <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe [21:31:31] <QGJ_> also redlink [21:31:33] <QGJ_> probe [21:31:35] Probe [21:31:37] <Ayrehead02> Probe [21:31:45] <MasterFred> Source just passed a month [21:31:47] <MasterFred> so probe [21:31:59] <Tommy-Macaroni> Kalevala probed [21:32:20] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ulicia?t=20181110061237 [21:32:24] <Tommy-Macaroni> Update needed [21:32:32] BTS unsourced. [21:32:43] <Tommy-Macaroni> Grid coordinate infobox exclusive [21:33:04] <Tommy-Macaroni> Porbe [21:33:05] <Ayrehead02> Doesn't the date need more explanation? [21:33:07] <MasterFred> Ahhhh, the Great (Exiled)Jedi Purge. [21:33:08] <Ayrehead02> Porbe [21:33:08] <Tommy-Macaroni> *probe, even [21:33:26] <MasterFred> probe [21:33:26] <QGJ_> Agreed, regarding the ref date [21:33:28] <QGJ_> probe [21:33:33] Yeah, the date does need more explanation. [21:33:35] probe [21:33:40] <Tommy-Macaroni> Ulicia probed [21:33:51] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Qade?t=20181028015115 [21:33:52] <Tommy-Macaroni> Update [21:34:09] <Tommy-Macaroni> Another date issue here, I believe [21:34:27] <QGJ_> yep [21:34:28] <Ayrehead02> Probably could have the paragraph split [21:34:28] <MasterFred> Yeah, expand the date ref [21:34:34] <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe [21:34:34] <MasterFred> ^ [21:34:36] <MasterFred> probe [21:34:40] <Ayrehead02> Probe [21:34:43] Probe [21:34:45] <QGJ_> probe [21:34:48] <Tommy-Macaroni> Qade probed [21:34:58] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rafe%27s_Gambit?t=20181027180410 [21:35:01] <Tommy-Macaroni> Update [21:35:13] <Tommy-Macaroni> Date ref needed [21:35:16] BTS unsourced. [21:35:32] <Ayrehead02> Hey wait this is mine [21:35:36] <Tommy-Macaroni> heh [21:35:40] <Ayrehead02> Crap guess I'll have to fix it up [21:35:47] Probe [21:35:47] <Ayrehead02> But yeah Probe [21:35:52] <MasterFred> +probe [21:35:53] <QGJ_> probe [21:35:55] <Tommy-Macaroni> Italics in infobox [21:36:02] <Tommy-Macaroni> And starship isn't a class [21:36:03] <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe [21:36:11] <Tommy-Macaroni> Rafe's Gambit probed [21:36:43] <Tommy-Macaroni> All right, does anyone have any discussion items? [21:36:48] <QGJ_> Yeah [21:36:55] <Tommy-Macaroni> Ooh! [21:36:59] <Tommy-Macaroni> The floor is yours [21:37:00] <Ayrehead02> Do share [21:37:27] * MasterFred is intrigued. [21:37:31] <QGJ_> I was going to propose introducing some sort of cutoff word limit at which a CA would lose its status [21:37:53] <QGJ_> Because it seems silly that a CA could technically be expanded to be over 1000 words [21:37:59] <QGJ_> and still be a CA [21:38:08] <Ayrehead02> To be honest I've never seen why we grandfather everything in [21:38:15] <Tommy-Macaroni> That seems reasonable [21:38:24] <Ayrehead02> Seems uncharacteristically charitable for us [21:38:32] Well, technically if it was expanded that much a redux would kick it out, but okay. [21:38:45] <Tommy-Macaroni> Thats actually a good point [21:39:06] <QGJ_> I would say that if it goes over 500 words, it loses its status. No review needed [21:39:09] <MasterFred> I had been thinking about sending CAs that surpass the 250 word limit to a type of GA redux. [21:39:35] <Ayrehead02> Huh, that might make sense [21:40:04] <MasterFred> Send it to the GAN via redux, let the ACs review it, if it passes redux, it becomes a GA, if not, it loses status. [21:40:19] <QGJ_> Ok, seems like a good solution [21:40:28] <Ayrehead02> I'd support that [21:40:36] Okay, I could see that working, but we probably need to have that discussion at the next AC meeting. [21:40:43] <MasterFred> I agree. [21:40:47] <Ayrehead02> True [21:40:49] Since 3 of our ACs aren't here. [21:40:58] <QGJ_> If it falls back below 250 words during a redux review, it remains a CA then, correct? [21:41:05] <MasterFred> If we get EC support here, we can bring it up in the next AC meeting and get AC support. [21:41:10] <Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah they are though [21:41:11] <Ayrehead02> I suppose so [21:41:15] <Tommy-Macaroni> Me, Ayre and Fred [21:41:23] <Tommy-Macaroni> But the meeting is fine by me [21:41:26] <MasterFred> and EJ [21:41:36] <Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah [21:41:39] <MasterFred> But Tope, Imperators, and ecks aren't here. [21:41:41] <Ayrehead02> Fred's saying that there are others who aren't, not that we don't meet a minimum [21:41:46] <Tommy-Macaroni> I was thinking of SE [21:41:53] <Tommy-Macaroni> Sure [21:42:09] <QGJ_> Cool, and one minor thing from me [21:42:11] <Tommy-Macaroni> Oh right I misunderstood [21:42:19] <Tommy-Macaroni> Shoot [21:42:25] <MasterFred> Yeah, I'll bring it up at the next AC meeting, assuming I make it to that one. [21:42:27] <QGJ_> The paperwork/meeting planning schedule needs to be update to include me :p [21:42:33] <MasterFred> XD [21:42:38] <Tommy-Macaroni> And me :P [21:42:49] <Tommy-Macaroni> Although you didn't have to suggest that :P [21:42:50] <MasterFred> Why would you remind us of this? You could've had such an easy life here. XD [21:43:00] <Ayrehead02> Kind of you both to volunteer to handle it for this meeting :P [21:43:01] <QGJ_> I'm a glutton for punishment [21:43:02] <Tommy-Macaroni> It isn't a good thing [21:43:03] * Tommy-Macaroni sighs [21:43:36] <Tommy-Macaroni> We're nearly at the end of the cycle, so shall we update it after that? [21:43:45] <MasterFred> QGJ, wanna do paperwork for this meeting? You can always ask on here for help with anything. [21:43:55] <QGJ_> Yeah, sure. [21:44:08] <MasterFred> Or we can start with the new cycle, sure. [21:44:21] <Tommy-Macaroni> Your choice, QG [21:44:28] <Tommy-Macaroni> I don't mind either way [21:44:39] <QGJ_> I'll do the paperwork this time [21:44:50] <Tommy-Macaroni> Excellent [21:45:01] <Tommy-Macaroni> No more discussion items, then? [21:45:07] I'm good. [21:45:11] <MasterFred> I'm good. [21:45:16] <Ayrehead02> Same [21:45:27] <QGJ_> Same [21:45:27] <Tommy-Macaroni> Great [21:45:39] <Tommy-Macaroni> QGJ is on paperwork [21:45:57] <Tommy-Macaroni> Meeting 52 to be scheduled by Imperators II