Talk:Death Star II/Legends

Somebody keeps reverting the external link from Mike Wong's site. A commentary on Death Star I firepower, has nothing to do with Death Star II. Other than that, Jack Something could just be another Darth Wong fanboy. 66.189.171.19 23:06, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, wrong. Just because they have different numbers doesn't mean that the link only talks about the first Death Star's firepower. Considering they're both superlasers, they have a relatively same amount of firepower. So, the link is important to the article. I'm not a "Darth Wong" fanboy. I just make sure everything is the right way here. And at least I have a name. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:10, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, if you go to StarDestroyer.net, and go to the forums, Mike Wong's forum name, is Darth Wong. That's who I was talking about. No, they're not the same. DSII is larger, which (only usually) means more powerful. And as I can see you have been snooping around, reverting many of my articles. I would not like to have a stalker. As for the reason I haven't named myself, I've only seriously been on Star Wars Wiki for about a month. And I can keep editing the article as long as I want. Got it? 66.189.171.19 23:13, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, a superlaser is a superlaser. They can destroy planets and captial ships. That link is informative and relevant. You can edit it all you'd like, but I'll always put it back to the way it should be. And I'm not a stalker, just an article fixer. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:15, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Nah, don't worry. I'll be editing it as much as I can. 66.189.171.19 23:16, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * You do know that you could get easily banned or I could get an administrator to lock this page up, don't you? All of us Wookieepedians know that, as I have had a few pages locked up by my request before. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:18, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I can go the other way, (not about locking the page). I could get you banned for snooping around and editing my corrections. 66.189.171.19 23:23, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I just fix these articles. So, I'm basically correcting your corrections. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:24, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Plus, Nebula here has a pretty solid rep, where as you are an annonymous user. Who do you think the admins will side with? Make sure you can back up your claims before you make them -- SFH 23:30, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * And you would be? Let me guess, the Star Wars version of a Trekkie. 66.189.171.19 23:33, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * After all this "Heck," fine, I'll give in. 66.189.171.19 23:39, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * And you would be? Let me guess, the Star Wars version of a Trekkie. - says the contributor to the Star Wars Wikipedia...Kuralyov 00:11, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Locked

 * This page has been locked due to an edit war. Once this issue has been resolved, see a moderator to get it unlocked. QuentinGeorge 00:31, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Quentin, I'm glad that whole issue on the Jedi Purge was solved. You seem to be a very good ally now. Anyways, O anonymous user, we here at Star Wars Wikipedia make sure that everything it is the way it is supposed to be. When edit wars break out, the page is requested to be locked so no one can edit it until this is resolved. And, if you are to start this up again after it's unlocked, it will just get locked again. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 01:30, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * If he starts it up again after it gets unlocked, he'll be lucky if we don't just ban him and leave the page open. But let's hope it doesn't come to that. – Aidje talk 06:02, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Can this get unlocked now? Kuralyov 06:44, 20 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I wasn't even aware that it was still locked. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 13:15, 20 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Unlocked now. -- Riffsyphon1024 01:09, 21 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 21:29, 21 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Death Star I VS Death Star II
If the second one is more powerful than the first, how come D.S. 1 blew up a planet (Alderaan) on contact, when it took D.S. 2 a second to blow up a Mon Calamari Star Cruiser? Double D 19:24, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC) When you say planetary shield, do you mean an energy shield or the planet's atmospere? Double D 19:15, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, there could be a few ideas, but perhaps since the battle station was still incomplete, the weapon might not be as powerful as the first Death Star's yet. What it says about that the Death Star II's superlaser was more powerful might refer to it when the station was fully complete. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:50, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe it was just on a lower setting, given that they knew they were firing on something much smaller than a planet. Also, Alderaan was not destroyed on contact. If you watch closely you can see the entire planetary shield light up before the explosion. Image:Destruction of Alderaan-1.jpeg shows the shield beginning to light up. – Aidje talk 21:58, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm, there's something else I found out. I never knew that Alderaan had a planetary shield. Anyhow, it could have been set down on a lower setting. That's another possiblity. Who knows what Palpatine wanted done. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:18, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * An energy shield surrounding a planet, like a "deflector shield atmosphere". Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:30, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's just a shield surrounding the entire planet. See planetary shield. – Aidje talk 06:05, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * The second Death Star supported more weapons and the superlaser, however at the same power, was more efficient, and could be fired more often (around once every 5 minutes as opposed to the 24 hour recharge time of the original weapon). Also, the design flaw of the older Death Star was corrected by the exhaust ports no longer leading directly to the main reactor. The only flaws in the second Death Star were the IG-88 problem below, and the Emperors' desire to launch his weapon before the fortified hull was completed.
 * Exactly. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 15:58, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Two Years?
Latest update says "this Death Star took much less time (around two years) to construct." Anyone able to tell me what the sources were for this...? Thanks! --McEwok 04:48, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * Eh, it was my best estimate. I don't really think we have a source, but the ROTJ opening crawl says that the Empire has been constructing one, yet it doesn't give an exact period of time. Since I doubt they would have just thrown one together in a few months, considering the long period of time it took for the first one, around 15 years in between the end of Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope. General Kenobi 05:52, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * According to Galaxy Guide 5: Return of the Jedi (from West End Games), Bevel Lemelisk went into hiding after the destruction of the first DS, fearing for his life, since the DS was brought down by a simple design-flaw. When he was tracked down on Hefi, the Emperor simply wanted him to design another battlestation, this time without the exhaust-flaw. So that makes it 2-3 years to reach the DS II's state in ROTJ. VT-16 15:09, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It is still very strange that the battle station could be completed by the Battle of Endor. Admiral J. Nebulax 19:42, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It wasn't complete, about 60% or so. They just rushed the superlaser-section as fast as they could, leaving most of the other facilities to be done at a later time. Then there's also the two "twin mini-DS" stations being made in orbit around Coruscant ("The Illustrated SW universe"), which were also never completed. But they might have begun construction prior to the completion of the DS I, for all we know. VT-16 20:45, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean that it was completely completed. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:04, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry. VT-16 23:42, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:27, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * 69.123.198.128, are you User:Adamwankenobi? Because if you aren't, don't edit what he wrote. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 15:47, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * The second Death Star probably took less time, because it wasn't of Geonosian design and due to improved construction capabilities. However if it only took two years, wouldn't there be noticible differences throughout Return of the Jedi especially around the Emperor's Throne Spire where there are evident holes, if they had the steadfast ability to build, they would not want the Emperor to see their "lack of progress". The Empire probably began construction on the second Death Star before the first Death Star's construction finished, It would make sense since it takes a long time to build a moon-sized craft as well as the Emperor's desire to have more than one of these battlestations to keep control of the Galaxy.
 * While it could have been built while the first one was still around, I don't think that's the case. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:29, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

IG-88
Hey, I'm new to Wookieepedia (and Wikis in general), but I noticed on the Death Star II page, there was no mention of IG-88 uploading himself into the great weapon. I don't know if this was done on purpose, or just simply overlooked.

Anyway, I copied and pasted a few lines from the IG-88 article, and edited them around a bit to fit the Death Star II article better. If that shouldn't be there, then I apologize!

Impeal 07:43, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Impeal, it's perfectly okay. That bit of information was overlooked and thank you for adding it. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:53, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I thought I had saw a bit on that in the article before... Admiral J. Nebulax 12:43, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Death Star size
Hey there. I'm new to wookieepedia, so I hope you don't mind me asking this question. I know the second Death Star is 160km in diameter - I'm not dispuing that - but the thing that makes me wonder is why is the second one so much larger than the first(which only had a diameter of around 160km). I saw a comparison of the two once, and the first DS wouldn't even cover the second one's superlaser dish. You would think that they could just build 10 DS1s instead. Anyway, I would be very grateful for any responses made. Thanks in advance for your time. User 81.132.81.203
 * Well, at least you're not vandalizing the page like another anon (or anons) did, and I thank you for that. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:26, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Um... no it was not my intent to vandalise the page. I was just wondering why the second DS is so much larger. If I'm being a pain and this has been already answered elsewhere then I apologise. User 81.132.81.203
 * No, not at all. Just as long as you don't change something in the article without a source. Anyway, you don't have to worry about it. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

At risk of getting us back to topic... User 81.132.81.203
 * Okay, then, back on topic: Where did you see a comparison of the first and second Death Stars? Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:33, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I honestly can't remember where - it was one of the forums on the web, but it had the Executor(barely a pinprick) the DS1 (120km) and the Death Star 2 (160 km) side-by-side. If I can find it I'll put it up. It just struck me as weird that the second one must have had 100 times the volume of the first. 81.132.81.203

Sorry, just realised the back-on-topic thing might have sounded a bit rude. It wasn't meant to be - I just was a bit thrown by how we got from the original question to vandalism. User 81.132.81.203
 * Don't worry about it. Anyway, I think I might have seen this chart somewhere before. I'll also look. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 18:50, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

No need. Finally found it. User 81.132.81.203 http://www.sfdebris.com/deathstars.jpg
 * Thank you very much. It's wierd, because in the movies, you can't really tell that the Death Star II is that much larger than the Death Star I. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:19, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. That's why I was asking about the relative diameters and why the second one was so much bigger. The 120/160km figures may be wrong, but they do seem to be a much more plausible upscaling, rather than a DS2 at 5 times the diameter and probably 200 times the volume. On a side note, the same site I found that in has a shot of the DS2 compared to Texas. Scarily large, innit? User 81.132.81.203
 * Well, the figures we have are canon, so they can't be wrong. And as for the second Death Star compared to Texas, yes, that's "scarily large", as you put it. However, that comparison seems reasonable. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:22, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not saying it isn't canon, I'm just wondering why the second one was so much bigger. Was it a psychological warfare thing("you blew up one, so we built another one five times the size") or did it have to do with the new, improved power systems? User 81.132.81.203
 * Well, it could very well be both. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:06, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. Also possibly Palpatine's ego at work - building such a huge battlestation could be the ultimate affirmation that the Empire was unbeatable. If it was so much larger, yet built in a much shorter time, it gives a good account of their near limitless resources. User 81.132.81.203
 * Excellent point. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:28, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Hmm. Think I just answered my own question. In any case Cmdr Nebulax, thanks for your time and patience. As an aside, do you think it's possible to work the size comparison shot into one of the Death Star articles? User 81.132.81.203

Sorry, I meant Admiral Nebulax. User 81.132.81.203
 * Don't worry about the title thing. I was once a commander anyway. ;) As for the size comparison chart, I suppose it could be added in, but first we'll need to get permission from the site you retrieved it from. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:13, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. Again, thanks for your time. User 81.132.81.203( OR smegatron as I decided to create an account as)
 * No problem, Smegatron. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:01, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

The Databank at starwars.com lists the size of the second death star as being 160km in diameter. Come on, doesn't the Databank's information supersede pretty much everything else? In any case, it's impossible to build a 900km diameter battlestation in such a short time (even only 60% of it) when the previous 120km battlestation took 15+ years. The second death star cannot be 900km in diameter, it's gotta be 160km. User:Unatco
 * No, the Databank has been wrong before, and in this case, it is. The diameter is 900km. And nothing's really impossible. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:56, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The Databank is a quick introduction to each subject and not in any way superior to film material and sources revolving around the films (novelizations, scripts, visual dictionaries, cross-sections and inside the worlds guidebooks). And yes, it has contained both errors and incomplete information before and now. VT-16 12:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Survivors?
They make a point of showing people running to and fro as alarms blare during the scene where Luke is leading Vader to the shuttle. It seems reasonable to assume that these guys are in the process of evacuating. So, how many of them actually managed to get off the Death Star before it blew up?

And on the same line of thinking, if they were in fact evacuating, what kept Jerjerrod from jumping ship as well? If the lowliest of his subordinates had enough sense to get out of Dodge while the getting was good, why didn't he? - Kooshmeister
 * Yeah, the fact that they were running away in chaos indicates that some made it out. As for Jerjerrod, I guess he wanted to go down with the ship. Than again, it's been a while since I've read the RotJ novel.-LtNOWIS 20:54, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, Moff Jerjerrod probably wanted to try to destroy the Forest Moon of Endor before he evacuated. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:52, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't want to rip off Clerks here, but I guess I don't have a choice. What about the workers the Empire contracted to construct the second Death Star. When the US government builds weapons, they don't do it themselves: they contract it out to Lockheed or some other company. What I'm trying to say is that I seriously doubt the Emperor evacuated all the civilian workers from Sienar or Kuat Drive Yards prior to the battle with the rebels; it would have been too suspicious. And once the attack began and the core of the Death Star was hit, there would not be much time before the station exploded. So what happened to all the contracted civilian workers and slave labor being used to build the second Death Star? They only feasible answer is that most of them died when the station exploded; millions of slaves like Wookiees and other aliens, and the contracted human workers died. Due to the actions of the Rebel Alliance. So what makes these guys better than the Empire? User:Unatco
 * You might as well ask why bother to cheer for the Allies in WWII since they terrorbombed German cities. Why cheer for the Norwegian resistance when they blew up a passenger ferry to stop a shipment of heavy water from reaching Germany. Bad stuff involving civilians can and do happen in a war, even with the overall "good guys" doing it. That doesn't mean they should be looked at as equal to their opposition, unless this pracise becomes common-place. VT-16 12:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Executor crash caused serious damage near the hangar bays
As mentioned in the survivors section of the discussion page, when the Executor plunges into the Death Star, it must have caused serious damage since you see panic amongst Imperial officers running about in the hangar. Also, none of the officers seem to notice or care that Darth Vader is being carried away to a shuttle. Probably they thought he was one of the injured from the explosion. With this said, the explosion of the Executor must have been near the hangar bays as the hangar bays are being evacuated.
 * Not really. They were evacuating because the Rebels had hit the power generator already. They were running because the station was about to explode, not because Executor crashed into it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:31, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I do not believe that's correct. the Death Star's reactor core is destroyed right after Vader dies in the hangar bay, placing it after we see the officers running about. You may be right in a way, the Imperials, realizing the Rebels had gone deep within the Death Star probably realized that something was up and it was time to bail out.
 * That's what I'm thinking. I may have been off on the time when the reactor core was destroyed, but I think they were fleeing because the Rebel craft were in the Death Star II's structure. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:17, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Lego descriptions?
hi i recently bought a Death star 2 lego set online and it came with a plaque with some pretty huge numbers here is the llink to a picture. check 360 views and it will be at the bottem


 * LEGO really isn't a good source for that kind of stuff. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 18:55, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * True, but as long as it doesn't contradict anything, I think we could use it. It's an official product, at least - Kwenn 19:25, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it does for this. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:31, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Assassin droid?
Why is Death Star 2 is in Assassin droids cathegory?-- Darth Sauron .:Talk about the Dark Side you want?:.  20:03, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Becuase it was briefly controlled by IG-88 during the Battle of Endor, thus making it an extension of that assassin droid - Kwenn 20:04, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * IG-88A, I believe. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:38, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

DS2 size - Star Wars Chronicles & Databank
I'm wondering why the Wookieepedia goes with the 900 km size when the Databank puts it at 160 km?

Also, I splurged on Star Wars Chronicles...it also puts it at 160, as do many other licenced books.

'Inside the Worlds...' puts it at 900 km, but that book is fraught with typos. (Wompa Rats, anybody?)
 * I'd assume the most recently published book is more likely to reflect what's currently considered canon.  Inside the Worlds is a 2004 book, while Star Wars Chronicles is a 1997 book which was reprinted in 2005 without updating.  The Databank entry may be a few years old by now, and not updated to reflect the rescaling. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 13:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * So, to sum it up, it's 900 km. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:04, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * But the retcon/correction (I think of it as a retcon of an ambiguous figure, some of you are probably muttering that 160 km was wrong to begin with) hasn't propagated through to every official source still in print or online. Anyone know which source was the first with 900 km?  Maybe the BtS could clarify the situation a bit. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 14:14, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * What worries me is that a new source might say "160 km". What do we do then? Keep on changing the figure? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:17, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * If it's an official re-retcon, yes. If we ask Leland Chee or some other Lucasfilm authority figure, and they say "someone goofed", then no: it goes in BtS as a continuity error.  (Neither situation is likely: I'm sure the number's in a file somewhere now.) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 14:21, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Good, because I prefer the 900 km figure. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:23, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Just curious about the calculations for the DS2 size...
Noticing that the majority of the calculations come from shadow sizes & pixel sizes, I'm wondering about another type of calculation... I haven't timed the Battle of Endor, but I'm guessing *somebody* has! So...based on the maximum speed of the Falcon during the 'shaft run', is it even possible for it to travel 450+ km in the time between taking out the reactor and exiting the fireball? I don't really think that the ships were travelling more than 200 km/h, based on how quickly they receed when the camera stops relative to the ship. Has anybody done the calculations for this?
 * If you're suggesting that the 900 meter figure is incorrect, it isn't, because the most recent canon sources say so. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:13, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * This site does not rely on the calculations made by fans to determine the size, its mainly the sources closest to the movie production. VT-16 12:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly, although fan calculations can sometimes be useful. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:53, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

If Death Star II is complete
According to the opening crawl of Return of the Jedi, if Death Star II is completed, in terms of structure, the Alliance to Restore the Republic will certainly be doomed, thus having no chance against the Galactic Empire. Tedius Zanarukando 04:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * So... ? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:36, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Is this supposed to be a question? What are you asking about? VT-16 12:11, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Video Board Game

 * Elements from the Video Board Game have been shown to be canonical, for instance in The Dark Forces Saga here. I don't know what to do about other board games, but this one definitely seems to fit the bill of a legitimate appearance. jSarek 00:44, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * But the board games themselves have no canonical standing, correct? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:46, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Regular board games, I don't think so. However, the video board game had new filmed elements to move the story along, hence the name. jSarek 00:47, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, then. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:48, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Was the planet specified to have been destroyed? Is the Imperial end in the game, the "true" one? If so, what is the source? VT-16 21:41, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I haven't played it, but I think it should be left out. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:15, 7 October 2006 (UTC)