Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Peter Cushing

Peter Cushing

 * Nominated by: — Hunter Kahn  05:29, September 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?!

Support

 * 1)  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 00:46, September 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Now, nominate Christopher Lee! And Michael Gough! Yes, even if Gough never appeared in Star Wars.--Skippy Farlstendoiro 17:05, September 29, 2010 (UTC)

Farlstendoiro wouldn't be happier with any other nom. Thank you!

 * Infobox: What was exactly the criteria to choose the "other work of note"? Why those movies and not, for example, Biggles or his Dr. Who films? I think there's a community of fans of Dr Who, thus Cushing's work on that franchise, while not his best, could be considered of note.
 * I meant to include the Dr. Who films, I simply forgot to include it. I've readded it. As far as Biggles, I dunno, I just felt the infobox was getting a bit long so I left it out. But I'm happy to add it in if you feel it's worthy. — Hunter Kahn  23:55, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * You considered it. That's enough to me.
 * Intro: While his full name was Peter Wilton Cushing, I think you should specify that he was credited only as Peter Cushing, in boldface.
 * I agree. I removed "Wilton" from the boldface in the lead, and kept it in the body of the article. The other option would be to leave Wilton in the lead and add something like "(but credited as "Peter Cushing")" into the lead, but I'd rather not do that option. If you like that better though, let me know and I'll do it. — Hunter Kahn  23:55, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Intro: "many times" he portrayed Sherlock Holmes. Can you replace "many" with an unambiguous number?
 * Well, I wrote it this way because the thing is, he played Holmes in another movie, and a television series that ran 16 episodes. So would it be correct to say "17 more times"? I thought that would be confusing, because that makes it sound like 17 films. I could say something like "in one more film and a television series" if you like, but I feel like the wording would get cumbersome... — Hunter Kahn  23:55, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yep. Let's keep many.
 * Early life: "was turned down repeatedly due to his lack of experience in the theater." By this point, you have mentioned that Cushing had quite an experience performing. I think you might refer to experience in professional theater, but maybe I'm wrong. Could you check if this is so?
 * You are right. Added. — Hunter Kahn  23:55, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Early career: "Cushing lied to director Whale about his fencing experience" He lied, but what did he say? "I have experience" or "I don't have experience"? I guess the first choice, but could you specify it?
 * Yeah, it's the former. I tried to clarify. — Hunter Kahn  23:55, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Dracula films: Christopher Neame is linked to his Wikipedia article. Isn't he the same Christopher Neame playing Imperial Inquisitor Jerec in Dark Forces II? If so, shouldn't he be linked to his Woo kieepedia article?
 * Well I'll be, you're right! I didn't realize he was Jerec! I fixed the link. — Hunter Kahn  23:55, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * "Well I'll be, you're right?" Now you're talking like Cushing!
 * Dracula films: You have been talking about Abraham Van Helsing and his descendant Lorrimer Van Helsing. You suddenly mention Lawrence Van Helsing, a character in 7 Golden Vampires. Please give context on him (and on Chungking, if possible).
 * The source says he is a descendant of the original Abraham, but didn't say what the specific relation was. I clarified this. — Hunter Kahn  23:55, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Non-Hammer: "Cushing continued to make occasional cameos on the show over the next decade as himself desperately attempting to collect a payment for his original appearance." Maybe you could reword this: I can't be sure whether the character was comically trying to collect a payment, or Cushing acted again to pressure Morecambe and Wise for a real payment.
 * Tried to clarify. Let me know if it's still unclear.
 * OK.
 * Star Wars: When you mention Cushing's difficulty with technical jargon, I remembered reading that, after the premiere, Chris Lee wrote Cushing a letter saying "What kind of name is Tarkin and what the heck is a Grand Moff?" or something like that. I can't source this, however; maybe you are familiar with the anecdote? If it can be sourced, should it be added?
 * Yeah, I remember reading that one. I'll readd it tonight or tomorrow when I can get my hands on the source. — <font color="#C0C0C0">Hunter <font color="#595454">Kahn  23:55, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, I checked, and what I thought was a reference to this was in fact something Cushing himself wrote in his autobiography: "I've always wondered what a "Grand Moff" is, or in view of what happened to him, perhaps I should say was." Not quite as good as your anecdote, and I'm not sure it warrants a mention in the article. I'll keep looking for a source for your antecdote though and see if I can find it... — <font color="#C0C0C0">Hunter <font color="#595454">Kahn  03:04, September 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fine to me.
 * Later career: "he lived with his Joyce Broughton". Word missing?
 * That "his" shouldn't be there, since I already explained who Joyce Broughton was earlier in the prose. Got rid of it. — <font color="#C0C0C0">Hunter <font color="#595454">Kahn  23:55, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Great job!--Skippy Farlstendoiro 18:12, September 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks! — <font color="#C0C0C0">Hunter <font color="#595454">Kahn  23:55, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

Comments

 * Since there's no layout guide for actor articles, I'll put this down here rather than up in objections. A little bit of food for thought... what do you think about removing the personal life section? Back when I was writing Bea, I spoke with 4Dot, who wrote Burl Ives way back when, and we agreed that keeping the focus of the articles squarely on acting careers was the kind of focus that they needed in order to distinguish them from Wikipedia articles. Obviously, there's the emphasis on the Star Wars stuff that the Wikipedia article wouldn't have, but I feel like there should be a little bit more than just that single distinction.

Conversely, you could argue that the article should be as complete as possible, but then it seems kinda like a Wikipedia article with just a bit more of an emphasis on SW, ya know? I left stuff about Bea's marriage, status as a gay icon, and much more out of the article because I felt like it would be drifting too far away from the idea of this being a Star Wars wiki (One of the inqs called the article's focus "spot-on", FWIW). Again, I put this in the comments section because it's something I'm interested in your opinion of and want to start a dialogue about. Whaddya think? Menkooroo 13:20, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Personally, I'm strongly in favor of keeping the section in the article. I usually tend to err on the side of keeping content intact, not cutting it. Plus, in this case, I just think the reason somebody would visit a Wookieepedia article on a SW actor would be to learn more about the man or woman who played one of the characters. Why wouldn't they want information on their personality or personal life, in addition to their acting career. However, I'm very respectful of the idea of consensus when it comes to wiki-editing, and if this is something you guys have hashed out in the past, I'm willing to abide by it. I've removed the section, although I moved some of the bits about his wife to other areas of the article. — <font color="#C0C0C0">Hunter <font color="#595454">Kahn  22:14, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * There definitely hasn't been any consensus on this; it's just kinda something I'm musing on, so don't feel like you have to remove the section!! I wonder if it is maybe something we should get consensus on --- how to format actor articles so as to distinguish them from Wikipedia articles. There's probably not enough community interest for a CT, but if anyone else wants to chime in here, go ahead. In the meantime, Hunter, feel free to keep the section in. Menkooroo 00:11, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well...for now I've restored it. I'm not opposed to removing it in the future if that is where the discussion leads, but yeah, I agree with you, it'd be nice if we could develop some sort of a consensus, and maybe this FAN will lead to it. I'll be more than happy to follow whatever that leads to. And maybe a layout guide for actor articles would be a good thing to develop down the road, especially when and if we get OOU WP started (which isn't something I've forgotten about, by the way, but just haven't had time lately to dedicate to it yet). — <font color="#C0C0C0">Hunter <font color="#595454">Kahn  04:17, September 27, 2010 (UTC)