Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Sith Emperor

Sith Emperor

 * Nominated by: Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 05:43, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Oww... my head hurts. Can't think of a joke or witty comment. I'm going to sleep.

Support

 * 1) If Sidious and Vitiate teamed up the entire Universe would be totally doomed. Plagueis327 (talk) 03:06, November 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * 2) Solid stuff. Menkooroo (talk) 08:51, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) Impressive.&mdash; 23:03, February 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4)  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 01:59, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * 5) Well that spoiled a nice chunk of the game for me :P Supreme Emperor (talk) 04:34, March 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * 6) Coruscantfan (Talk) 01:48, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Glancing by

 * Those three Cite web references need to be more completely filled out.
 * Done.
 * Ref needs to be used throughout the succession box, and the "beforeyears" and "afteryears" fields need to be filled in.
 * Done
 * The "concurrent with" people need citations.  CC7567  (talk) 19:00, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Completely rewrote the succession box, as it was partially incorrect and I had actually not looked at it before now. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 20:10, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Refs need to come after punctuation.  CC7567  (talk) 23:48, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Fixed.
 * Regarding the years: I would strongly suggest not using a "?" as the end date identifier. If the last date is unknown, we usually just leave an em dash and put the refs after the dash, like here.  CC7567  (talk) 23:48, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Removed. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 17:47, October 4, 2012 (UTC)

Also glancing

 * "Intent on waging war upon the Republic so that he could complete his ritual again on a galactic scale, the Emperor influenced the leader of the Mandalorian culture into attacking the Republic, and made the powerful Jedi Knights Revan and Malak into his agents when the pair attempted to confront the Sith leader." this is a run-on. Also, the way Revan and Malak are introduced makes it appear as though they were Mandalorians. Give context here on his association with the Jedi.
 * Done. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 21:15, October 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * More to come.  —Tommy  9281  Wednesday, October 3, 2012, 20:55 UTC 
 * "From there the Sith rebuilt their Empire and spent the next millennia planning revenge upon the Republic," not quite so, largely due to the arrangement of your words. I'd have changed it but I want you to be aware of little details like this: the Sith didn't spend that time plotting revenge. Remember how content the Empire was with just existing anonymously in Revan? The millennia was spent rebuilding, not plotting.
 * Done. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 03:35, October 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * More to come.  —Tommy  9281  Thursday, October 11, 2012, 13:26 UTC 
 * The transition between second and third paras of the intro leaves the reader sort of wondering what happened in between. Some sort of brief tie in is required here, perhaps a time reference.
 * Done.
 * "During its course, the Emperor's apprentice Exal Kressh betrayed the Empire when she learned that her Master intended to make her the first of his Children, and the Emperor soon perfected the process to create the Children of the Emperor&mdash;the ultimate extensions of his will." This reads kind of awkward.
 * Done.
 * The fourth para of the intro leaves me asking why a lot, ie more context for some things is needed.
 * Done.
 * You also use a lot of future tense, "would," etc. Please use past tense.
 * Done. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 04:28, October 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * More to come  —Tommy  9281  Wednesday, October 17, 2012, 08:12 UTC 
 * In the intro: "The Sith Lord Darth Baras attempted to trap the Emperor's Voice on the planet Voss, but the Emperor escaped with the aid of his newest Wrath and prepared for a final confrontation with the Hero after his servants failed to start his ritual on Belsavis, Voss, and Corellia..." reads like the Hero's servants faild to start the ritual.
 * Done.
 * You discuss the confrontation between Tenebrae's stepfather and his wife, and then talk about the boy as though we already knew he was present, which isn't the case.
 * Done.
 * An article needs to be either linked or properly created with regard to Tenebrae's ability to feed off of people's suffering, especially because it is not a unique phenomenon in SW lore.
 * Done. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 21:05, November 29, 2012 (UTC)

A third glance

 * I'll come back for a more thorough review, but for now I can see that the P&T is severely lacking in comprehensiveness (and therefore length). Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 17:53, October 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm.... fair point, Trayus. He's a megalomaniacal psychopath who doesn't feel emotion (or anything else) and desires the death of everything. I'll expand it after I take this test. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 18:00, October 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Done. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 22:03, October 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Good stuff. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 15:49, October 7, 2012 (UTC)

Momma always said: Do not glance at people!

 * I noticed the Ravager artifact isn't mentioned in the article. FYI you can find it in one of the latter quests of the Sith Warrior's prologue (inside the Dark Temple). Basically, Darth Baras sends the Warrior to retrieve this artifact that was created by the Emperor and that could break any mind (while at the same time liquifying the subject's brain), which the latter used to retrieve ?knowledge? from his enemies (rival Sith Lords). Winterz (talk) 03:24, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * "Another one of the Emperor's experiments in the Dark Temple led to the creation of the Ravager, a device that consumed its victims' minds and forced them to reveal their greatest secrets as they died. Not even members of the Dark Council could withstand the Ravager, but the Emperor eventually locked it away in the Dark Temple with the Phobis Core and other experiments—both failed and successful." :P Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 03:26, December 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Damn it, I was starting to get excited! Oh well... ┬──┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ) Winterz (talk) 03:31, December 24, 2012 (UTC)

The Sith Emperor

 * A few prelims: Looking at the succession box of Darth Nihilus, it looks like there are some other concurrent Dark Lords of the Sith you could add to this guy's succession box.
 * Done.
 * Coolio. It looks like you have ref [25] twice in a row, which isn't necessary; you can just stick it once after both Revan and Malak. Also, would it be worth adding "some point before 67 BBY" to this guy's reign ... ?
 * Done.
 * I'm guessing that images of this guy aren't as readily available as it may seem due to all his random host bodies and his true form and whatnot, but... are there any other images of him available, at all? I ask because the biography has a lot of images of other people instead of him. "Appears in hologram" is mentioned a lot in the Appearances section, which makes it seem like there are some images you could grab from the timelines.
 * Sadly, I was only able to get two images. This image appears in Timelines 4, 5, 6, and 7, so I'll use that since I apparently didn't for some reason.
 * There are a few image captions missing punctuation --- remember that present-tense full sentences need them too.
 * Done.
 * Still a few remaining. Menkooroo (talk) 15:23, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Done.
 * Can you establish near the beginning of the bio that Medriaas is in the Sith Worlds? That's all for now; but I'll give this puppy a full review, slowly, over the coming weeks. Menkooroo (talk) 04:35, January 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. I shudder at the length of time a review of the Hero will take :P Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 00:03, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Since he puts his people into a panic with tales of how the Republic will destroy them, I think it's worth mentioning that the Republic did in fact return to Sith space after the GHW and initiate the Sith holocaust.
 * Done.
 * The last paragraph of "Sith Lord of Nathema" says that he achieves immortality, but the next section says that he needs to draw on the life forces of his Servants in order to sustain his life. I'm not familiar with the source material and am legitimately confused; can the article offer an explanation to reconcile the two statements?
 * Ah, I think I resolved this. I changed it to "virtual immortality", as the lifespan of his natural body was extended for an immense and currently unknown length of time, but the Encyclopedia is actually more specific on the Servants' role in that "the Emperor draws on his servants' strength in the Force to feed his ever-increasing power" - so I guess they're there to sustain his strength, not his lifeforce. I changed the servant paragraph slightly to show that.
 * I removed the link to Sith Order in "Rebuilding an empire," as it's a disambig page. Is it worth creating an article for Vitiate's Sith Order? The One Sith are distinct from Darth Krayt's Galactic Empire, and the Order of the Sith Lords are distinct from the Galactic Empire, FWIW.
 * That's actually an excellent idea. I'll do that.
 * "he soon led a great exodus from the Sith Worlds into the unknown parts of the galaxy." Is this the Unknown Regions? I was going to link that but I just want to make sure.
 * He's leading them into the area around/near the Sith Worlds, which isn't what we consider the Unknown Regions today - though it might have been considered as such back then, so I don't really know.
 * The first few paragraphs of "Rebuilding an empire" make it seem like the Empire is only located on Dromund Kaas. Then the mention of the Sith Academy on Korriban kind of comes out of nowhere. Can you make it clear early on that they're planet-spanning? This is also another good reason for the Sith Holocaust to be mentioned --- the Republic knows where Korriban is, and mentioning that the Republic thinks the Sith are wiped out would be a good explanation as to why the Sith can operate on Korriban.
 * Ah, that's referring to the post-3,681 BBY Empire that reclaims Korriban. Specified.
 * I've added a bunch of redlinks that'll need to be filled in.
 * Taken care of, though I removed the link to the village because his palace was built over the top of the village.
 * "Sith assassin" is only used as a descriptor for Teneb Kel in the intro. Can you find a place to mention and link it in the bio?
 * Done.
 * To keep the article's focus on the Sith Emperor, can you mention his public claim that Revan and Malak were executed earlier? When they first return to the known galaxy, rather than later on as a flashback?
 * Done.
 * In what year does the Revan novel take place? Can you mention and link it?
 * 3,954 BBY for part 1, mentioned in the first Conspiracies paragraph, and also mentioned 3,950 for part 2.
 * Done the bio up to the beginning of "Return to the known galaxy." Good job so far; it's well-written and you're better at the dash policy than I am. Linking isn't great, though, so check out my copy-edit so far. Also, tense; there's a lot of things like "would go on to" instead of the better "went on to." The article's also very emdash heavy, and dashes are used a lot when a comma would fit better. I've removed some. Menkooroo (talk) 15:23, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Followed through on the tenses; shouldn't be many "would"s left. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 17:39, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Can we get some context on the Ovair family on their first mention?
 * Force-sensitive, I guess? Not much more context that I can think of.
 * Why would Sadow's spirit target a target of the Sith Emperor? Does he view Vitiate as a pretender or something?
 * Honestly? No idea. Gnost-Dural was very specific on the threat part but not on the how, and Trayus didn't seem to understand any better when he wrote up Ovair and Gynt. The most I was able to add was that he was a possible threat to the Emperor's power and his invasion.
 * Can you mention his ritual preparations on Korriban before mentioning that he sends Kressh to Lenico IV? They're currently recalled afterward in a "he had already done this" sentence, but no reason not to keep it as chronologically linear as possible.
 * Reversed.
 * Should Children of the Empire still capitalize Children when just referred to as "children" ? It isn't capitalized on its first mention but is on subsequent mentions.
 * Eh, capitalized.
 * "The Council accepted, granting Kel the title of Darth Thanaton and learned of the Children of the Emperor" --- I'm confused by this sentence. Is "learned" some sort of title, or is the grammar off?
 * *grammarhammer*
 * I'd like to see a mention of how the Republic screws up the first few years of the war and has to go on the offensive for a decade --- the article currently mentions that the Empire wins the first few battles, then there's no word of the war's progress until the Republic begins to gain ground on Alderaan and Rhen Var. It seems especially important to this guy, since those first ten years of the Empire's success are a result of his his 1300-year plan.
 * Contextualized and rewritten, especially since Rhen Var actually isn't until the end of the war.
 * I think the war, and particularly the Sith Empire's role in it, could benefit from some more detail overall --- the alliance with the Mandalorians, for example. Not directly related to Vitiate, no, but an important part of the war that he engineered and something that helps lead his forces to victory.
 * Done as well.
 * Some context on the Treaty of Coruscant and what it entails is needed at the end of "A renewed war." Similarly, the next section should better describe the Cold War and what it means for the galaxy.
 * Done.
 * Context is given on the Emperor's Hand in the "Cold War" section of the bio, but it's already been given earlier during their first mention and isn't needed again.
 * Fixed.
 * Can the beginning of "The Jedi threat" indicate that Angral's Desolator campaign is one of the catalysts of the end of the Cold War? Otherwise it reads kinda weirdly that he's able to do that in the middle of a Cold War.
 * Done.
 * That same section should also more clearly indicate when the Cold War stops and the second war begins. Second Great Galactic War isn't currently linked in the bio. Menkooroo (talk) 10:38, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 21:31, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm too far into the article to know when it would have first been appropriate to link these, so here's a mission for you: Find the earliest appropriate places to pipelink the following --- Imperial Army (Sith Empire), Imperial Navy (Sith Empire), Republic Army, Imperial Agent, Ground warfare, and Space warfare.
 * Done.
 * Republic Military was already linked; it's Republic Army for which I'm lookin'. Also, ground warfare, man, not ground combat. ;) Menkooroo (talk) 16:40, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Done.
 * Even if it's not known when he constructed it, can you mention that the Emperor builds a space station earlier? Maybe back during the Empire's rebuilding on Dromund Kaas? Just so that it doesn't show up in a "by the way, he has a personal space station!" kind of way.
 * Done.
 * " Leaping down from his throne, the Emperor mocked the Kel Dor for his pride and self-righteousness..." Who's the Kel Dor? No species have been established yet, so this isn't entirely clear. Might be best just to call him Braga.
 * Done.
 * Context on the Dark Heart.
 * Done.
 * The two sections at the end of the bio in game mechanics are separated only by a new section header and a quote. No reason to break them up; everything there can just fall under one section. Menkooroo (talk) 14:12, January 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 17:17, January 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't mean that you should excise the "Final confrontation" section heading; I meant that the end of the bio should just be one big gamemechanics section, with the "Final confrontation" section heading falling within the gamemechanics tag instead of splitting up two different gamemechanics sections. Does that make sense? I think the "Final confrontation" section should be restored. Menkooroo (talk) 16:40, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 17:03, January 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * His confrontation with the Hero of Tython goes into a lot of detail about what he says --- ie, the sentence beginning with "the Emperor informed the Knight that..." Rather than recount every line of the conversation, could the biography give a summarized overview of it and relegate the appropriate info to Personality and traits?
 * Done.
 * The P&T is still pretty emdash heavy. Can you excise a few of them?
 * Done.
 * P&T and P&A both begin with "Even as a child." Can you vary the language up?
 * Done.
 * Could P&A say something about him being able to unleash storms of pure dark side energy, per the image caption?
 * I changed the caption, since he's actually just generating lightning.
 * Did he only actually appear in one of the TOR comics? If so, it's probably better to specifically source that at the beginning of the BTS rather than the more general "Star Wars: The Old Republic comic series."
 * Fixed.
 * I actually meant in the ref note, which is currently just "Star Wars: The Old Republic comic series"
 * Done.
 * Something weird is up with your Cite_webs; they read " Retrieved on 3, 2009. Retrieved on October 2009."
 * Fixed. For some reason, the accessmonth fields were "accessmonthday" and the accessday ones were "accessdaymonth".
 * No accessdates are showing up at all, now.
 * Fixed.
 * Shouldn't something from the "The trials" mission go into the biography in a gamemechanics section?
 * Nah, since it's entirely speculatory that the Knight even talks to the people who start that quest chain.
 * Isn't that the whole point of Gamemechanics? Assuming that the player does something specific?
 * Sorry, I should have explained this better. The quest's actually part of the main planet questline for Voss, meaning that we'd be assuming the Knight was the one who performed the entire questline at least up until the part with the visions. Since TOR's got multiple classes and two factions, we can't really assume anything about the identities of whomever completed those kind of missions. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 19:33, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * No mention of the timelines in the BTS? They were pretty important in developing this guy's character before the release of the game.
 * Added.
 * Can you source two or three specific timeline entires? Also, if he's mentioned in "several pages" on the Holonet, can you throw in another holonet entry ref at the end of that paragraph?
 * Done.
 * Any political-related categories related to his heading an Empire? Menkooroo (talk) 06:08, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Heads of government and state.
 * Can you find a specific Dark Empire issue to ref for the transfer essence stuff? All of the TOR and TOTJ comics are reffed to a specific issue, and consistency would be best.
 * Done.
 * In the "gender" field of the infobox, can you make another bullet point specifying that his original birth body was a male?
 * Done.
 * I'm hoping you can go through the intro and trim some fat. Not a huge trim or anything; such an important, millenia-spanning character does certainly need a long intro, but I think it can be tightened up throughout. Details like the final battle of the Mandalorian Wars being at Malachor V aren't really necessary for the purposes of an intro. Also, rather than saying that he prepared to perform the ritual at the end of one paragraph and then saying that he did perform the ritual at the beginning of the next, you could combine that information into a single fact --- he gathered the Sith Lords and performed the ritual.
 * I totally rewrote the intro, as my attempts to trim the fat were making it awkward. Take a look. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 19:33, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * The first mention of "Voice" in the intro is lacking context, since its previous mention is actually inside of a pipelink to "body to body." The whole "Voice" thing gets pretty important toward the end of the intro, so it should be made explicit what it means. Menkooroo (talk) 05:55, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Floyd

 * Intro: "was granted the title of Lord Vitiate by the current Dark Lord Marka Ragnos" Is it really correct to say the "current" Dark Lord? He was at the time, but not currently. Maybe saying "the then-Dark Lord" would be better.
 * Done.
 * Intro: "on a twenty-year odyssey into the unknown," Shouldn't this be "into the Unknown Regions"? Less flowery, more specific.
 * Done.
 * You need to put commas in your numbers, like 1,000. You're missing that quite a bit.
 * Done.
 * Intro:"His life prolonged through the power of the ritual," Is this the same ritual as occurred on Nathema? It's linked to something different. You then continue to refer to this "ritual" throughout the section.
 * Done.
 * Not seeing a change. If they are different rituals, they need to be distinguished from each other somehow.  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 00:35, February 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Woops, missed this objection earlier. Ritual of Nathema is the historical event and Sith Emperor's ritual is the Force power that he tries to use more than once.
 * Intro: Context on what the Emperor's Wrath is.
 * Done.
 * I think his stepfather could be given a little more context when he is first introduced (the fact that he was a farmer, etc.)
 * Done.
 * "However, when the Empire met its ultimate defeat in battle above the holy tomb world of Korriban, Vitiate put his plans into action." What plans?
 * Contextified.
 * Can we get a link for his lead researcher?
 * Done.
 * Maybe a link for the hyperlane they discovered?
 * Done.
 * Rebuilding an empire: "into the unknown parts of the galaxy." Again, wouldn't it be better to just say the Unknown Regions?
 * Done.
 * Do we really need such in-depth detail on the secret organizations that served the Emperor? Stuff like this: "The Guard wore crimson robes and armor, and served for life—those who survived long enough to retire from active duty became instructors, training and initiating new recruits through the deadly trials and traditions that all Guards underwent when chosen."
 * Ugh. That looks like it got copied from the Imperial Guard article. Removed.
 * Article for Vodal Kressh's army?
 * Done.
 * "Lokess described a brilliant plot to overthrow the Emperor" Brilliant seems a bit POV.
 * Done.
 * Context on what a Kaggath is.
 * Done.
 * Article for the guard that helped Revan and Malak?
 * Done.
 * Maybe also one for Nyriss' conspiracy?
 * Done.
 * T3-M4 isn't an astromech droid, correct? He's a utility droid. I may be wrong though. At any rate, this bastard destroyed T3. It's like killing the dog in a movie. But still, the question stands.
 * Agreed, and fixed. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 03:22, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Will continue at "Return to the known galaxy" later.  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 03:07, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Going back to Rebuilding an empire for a moment, I noticed this: "Lokess described a plot to overthrow the Emperor and lead the Empire into war against the Republic once more—a plot that all eleven Councilors agreed to join. However, the Emperor somehow learned of the Council's plot..." Triple plot. Try to avoid this kind of repetition.
 * Done.
 * "The Force-sensitive Ovair family was installed in the Jedi Order at the Emperor's request" Is there any info on how he managed to do this?
 * Nope.
 * "Around the turn of the thirteenth century of his rule," Could we get a mention of the approximate year this would be?
 * It's more of a general statement/estimate meant to communicate the fact that Exal Kressh became the Emperor's apprentice at some point before the Great War.
 * Link to the Ambria monastery?
 * Done.
 * "that would allow him create his "Children"—the ultimate agents of his will." The ultimate agents of his will? How so?
 * Contextified.
 * Image caption: "A child is prepared for the rituals in the depths of the Sith Academy" What rituals?
 * Changed to "the Emperor's rituals" - the rituals that make them his Children
 * I'm seeing a shit-ton of "ing" verbs. They're not 100% past tense, so try to cut down on them a bit.
 * Cut down.
 * "the Emperor intended to repeat the process he had attempted with Kressh, transforming young children into extensions of his will." Haven't you basically already said this?
 * Removed.
 * I think that Bakarn becoming a Jedi Council member warrants mentioning in the bio section. It's mentioned in an image caption, but nowhere else.
 * The spelling of "Dark Councilor" or "Dark Councillor" is not consistent. Please fix.
 * Done.
 * Is the whole description of the Order of Revan really directly relevant to the Sith Emperor? They don't seem to have drawn his attention or really done anything.
 * Removed.
 * Did the Hero really get that name after the battle on the Oppressor? I thought he got that name after the whole Flesh Raider deal.
 * Nope, it's the end of Act I.
 * Article for the strike team from "The Jedi threat"?
 * Eh, as it's a quasi-canonical group of players completing the Maelstrom Flashpoint, I changed it to "group".
 * "Lord Scourge failed, however, when he encountered the Hero of Tython and recognized the Jedi as the one he had seen in his visions three hundred years ago" What visions? I don't remember these being mentioned.
 * They're mentioned during the section on Revan's attack on the Emperor.
 * They are, but you never mentioned that Scourge actually sees the person who would defeat the Emperor. You only say he sees visions and that he realizes that Revan and Surik would not be the ones to defeat the Emperor.
 * Done.
 * Could we get a link for "summoned a ball of pure dark side energy in his hands"? Seems notable enough to have its own article as a Force power.
 * It's actually Force lightning, so changed.
 * Should there be a link for Baras' apprentice's betrayal on Quesh?
 * Done.
 * Same for the Hero defeating Narezz and Sedoru.
 * Done.
 * Is the Battle of Corellia the canonical name? Just a question.
 * Yep.
 * "were forced to rescue one of the other members of their crew when the companion was pinned down by Imperial forces" I'm assuming the identity of this "companion" varies, but just wanted to make sure.
 * Yeah.
 * I don't like how you revert to calling him "Vitiate" at the very end of the Legacy section. Doesn't fit.
 * Actually, Plagueis calls him "Vitiate", so I tried to make that fact more clear.
 * Will finish soon.  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 00:35, February 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * P&T: "Tenebrae felt no affection for his mother, father, or birth father," This should be clarified as "stepfather", probably.
 * Done.
 * "However, Vitiate's public persona was merely a sham:" His public persona being that of a scholar, correct? Make it more clear.
 * Done.
 * "the reclusive scholar crushed their wills and bound them to his own indomitable will." Double "will".
 * Done.
 * The fourth paragraph of the P&T seems like it belongs more in the P&A. It just describes an ability of his.
 * I removed some parts to make it more focused on him, but I personally think it should stay, as the multi-consciousness and the sense that he's listening to someone else is a trait that results from his abilities.
 * P&T, fifth paragraph: "who was completely devoid of any empathy," Haven't you already said this several times?
 * Removed.
 * Link for ants?
 * Done.
 * Good work.  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 00:33, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Attack of the Clone

 * Some spot-checking before I delve in: first, in the infobox "death" field, would it be prudent to add some sort of time frame to his multiple host body deaths? Perhaps "deaths over time" or something like that, but it sounds like a little more specification would be helpful.
 * Done.
 * Actually, is there a specific time period (like several years or so) in which the host bodies die? If so, then it might be better to list the duration as them instead.  CC7567  (talk) 01:58, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * We know that he started using them around 3,950 BBY, but I don't have an end date... should I just go with the last known date (3,641 BBY)? Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 02:02, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Do you mean that the 3,641 BBY date isn't necessarily his last confirmed usage of a host body? Because it sounds like if 3,641 BBY is the last known usage, then it technically is the last usage, as far as we know.  CC7567  (talk) 02:06, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 02:17, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Not sure why there are multiple Mo in the Sources, but unless I'm missing something, those shouldn't be there.  CC7567  (talk) 01:43, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 01:54, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think it would be worth creating a disambiguation page, something like Sith Emperor (disambiguation), instead of lumping all of those links into the Youmay tag.
 * Can it be assumed that he was born on Medriaas? Or is there reason to think otherwise? Just want to make sure.
 * Yeah, Nyriss specifically says he's born there.
 * That should be added to the infobox, then, under "birth."  CC7567  (talk) 21:44, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, I was unaware we did that. Done.
 * "by his traitorous apprentice": I'm assuming Sith apprentice should be linked here, but I'm not sure, so please check this.
 * Done.
 * Please check; not seeing a change.  CC7567  (talk) 21:44, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Bah, sorry. Fixed.
 * "to her master's plans": if he's a Sith Master, then "Master" needs to be capitalized and Sith Master linked. I would also recommend checking throughout the article if "master" is being properly capitalized at each mention in the rest of the article, when it refers to the rank of Sith Master.
 * Done.
 * On a similar note, the fact that he's a Sith Master is only shown in the categories but not in the actual text of the article. Please fix this discrepancy.
 * Done.
 * It still needs to be added in the body of the article; it should be mentioned in the Bio when exactly he became known as a Sith Master.  CC7567  (talk) 21:44, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Done. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 21:51, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Are there any more events that can be linked in the intro? Some places to check: "were nearly derailed by his traitorous apprentice Exal Kressh, but Kressh was eliminated"; "sent to capture the Sith ruler"; "The Knight broke free of the Emperor's control"; "the Emperor was trapped briefly by the traitorous Sith Lord Darth Baras on the planet Voss, but he escaped." It's fine if not all of these deserve articles/links, but it sounds like at least a few of them do.
 * Done.
 * "the Emperor fought the Hero and the astromech droid T7-O1 in a climactic battle that ended with the Emperor's defeat": would lightsaber combat and/or lightsaber duel be appropriate to link anywhere here?
 * Done.
 * Something to check throughout the article is whether you want to include attributes, e.g. "a" (something), in links. Currently the intro formats it as "a poor farm woman," while the body formats it as "a poor farm woman." (I personally prefer the latter formatting, but that's just me.) Either one is fine as long as you're consistent with it throughout the article. Please check this.
 * Done.
 * "which raised the suspicions of his farmer stepfather": does this guy have an article?
 * Bah. Linked.
 * Does "his village" have an article?
 * Done.
 * "before killing his father after revealing his parentage": I think it would be helpful to reword this more chronologically, e.g. something closer to "he did this, then this," etc., because it's currently a little confusing. Alternatively, you might want to split up this sentence.
 * Done.
 * "in the battle between the competing Sith Lords": if a specific event can be linked here, that would be helpful.
 * Unfortunately, there does not appear to be an article. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 18:26, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'll continue with "Hidden empire" once these are fixed.  CC7567  (talk) 17:09, March 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * One more before I go on: could you explain the reasoning behind the recent infobox image change? I understand that it may be his true body, but in this case it seems like quality should override "canonicity"&mdash;in other words, we should be using the best-appearing image we have of him, instead of just an image of a corpse.  CC7567  (talk) 00:56, March 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Personally, I kind of agree with you, but Cav made the case for it being his true body instead of a Voice. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 00:59, March 23, 2013 (UTC)

Cav

 * The devices stored in the temple had the unintentional effect of driving thousands of slaves mad during the expansion of Kaas City's power grid into the tunnels beneath the Temple, but the Dark Temple itself was sealed after a few centuries and remained so for most of the Emperor's reign. - firstly, this is the first mention of "devices" in the temple, so some expansion on what they are and what they do (if available) is needed. Also, you refer to the temple in the lower case - I assume you're refering to the Dark Temple here? If so, I think it needs to be made clear earlier in the sentence.
 * Bah, that was left over from before I moved the Phobis devices to the BTS. I moved the Ravager stuff before it.
 * Image question - if the image in the infobox is of the Emperor's Voice that the Hero defeats and not the Emperor himself - why is it being used? What elevates that Voice over the others? And, if it is the Voice, then I would contend it doesn't belong in the infobox since the individual Voice has his own article. - Sir Cavalier of One FarStar.svg( Squadron channel ) 13:41, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ewwwwww but done. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 14:44, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Just another Emperor...

 * In my opinion the introduction should mention that, in the millennia that followed, he was remembered as "Emperor Vitiate"; as explained on page 181 of the hardcover edition of the Darth Plagueis novel. Rokkur Shen (talk) 05:29, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's a tiny piece of information that's hardly necessary for the introduction; it already references the fact that he was remembered later.
 * I've read the talk page argument for moving the page back to "Sith Emperor", however, if we are striving to write non-biased accounts the page should actually be moved to "Emperor Vitiate". Naming the article "Sith Emperor" is biased in Vitiate's favor and entirely self-serving as it was a name he bestowed upon himself. If he was known to history as "Emperor Vitiate" that's approximately 3500 years in which he was known as "Emperor Vitiate" certainly longer than the 1300 year reign in which he was known as "Sith Emperor". Rokkur Shen (talk) 05:45, March 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but I still am not going to back down here. Vitiate is not his name, it's one that he cast aside when he became immortal, and per the actual text of TOR: Revan, the Sith Emperor is his name. You could technically make the same part of your argument about almost every Sith Lord in history - most of them took on their Sith title themselves, and that could be seen as self-serving. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  14:51, March 24, 2013 (UTC)

Comments

 * Doing this from the IPad on a tenuous Internet connection...  —Tommy  9281  Thursday, October 11, 2012, 13:27 UTC 

Vote to strike objection (Inq only)
 * 1) Cade has requested the Inq strike the several months-old outstanding objections from Tommy so they don't discourage others from reviewing this nomination. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:13, February 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) Menkooroo (talk) 04:17, February 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3)  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 04:21, February 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4)  CC7567  (talk) 19:48, February 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * 5)  JangFett  (Talk) 17:05, February 22, 2013 (UTC)

oppose to make this a feature article:

this wiki lists the following people as leaders the Sith Empire, all of them would be Emperors Adas, Naga Sadow, Exar Kun, Revan and Malak, Darth Nihilus, Darth Ruin, Darth Krayt,

even Lord Sidious, also known as Palpatine was a "Sith Emperor" (he was a Sith Lord and he was an Emperor, in fact in Star Wars III:RotS he even stated "and once more the Sith will rule the galaxy....and we shall have peace." sounds like he was creating a Sith Empire even though now one at the time new that fact.

having this article be featured using a title is wrong, it should be named Lord Vitiate (the only known name for the person this article is about) Chasemarc (talk) 21:21, March 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * It is his name. Did you bother to read Trayus' reasoning for the move? They quite clearly state the reasons why the page has been moved and why there is no reason to move it back to Vitiate. The quote from Revan explicitly states that he shed the name of Vitiate, and we have a Youmay template that allows access to the other known Sith Emperors. On another note, while the people you listed above did rule over an empire, only Krayt, Sidious and the Sith Emperor took the actual title of Emperor. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 21:27, March 4, 2013 (UTC)