Wookieepedia:AC/Log/2015 June 6

[20:01:05]  Welcome to Meeting 79 [20:18:29]  Firstly, old articles: [20:18:35]  http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ambition [20:18:45]  http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=5663725 [20:18:49]  http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Ambition [20:19:01]  Fixed this myself, so keep. [20:19:11]  Keep [20:19:19] Keep [20:19:34]  Ecks? [20:20:16] keep [20:20:22]  Absentees vote keep as well [20:20:23] bear with me, I'm distracted [20:20:29]  Ambition kept [20:20:37]  http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Billal_Batross [20:20:42]  http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=5663728 [20:20:47]  http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Billal_Batross [20:21:31]  Manoof didn't resolve the other issues, apparently [20:21:34]  Well, Manoof appeared to fix one issue, but the first two remain [20:21:48]  What info is exclusive? [20:21:57] <SimToprawa> P/T stuff [20:22:13] <SirCavalier> Hair, skin, etc? [20:22:17] <SimToprawa> Yeah [20:22:20] <SirCavalier> Should be an easy fix. [20:22:43] <SirCavalier> Unless anyone else has issues, I can take care of the info stuff and the bold formatting. [20:22:52] fine with me [20:23:06] The thing's 2,687 words. [20:23:44] <SimToprawa> I don't even remember how we handle that anymore [20:23:56] <SimToprawa> We don't grandfather things in, do we? [20:24:13] <SirCavalier> Don't we encourage the editor to renom for FA? [20:24:14] <SimToprawa> I think this was approved before we set the max word limit [20:24:24] I'm not sure, I just thought I'd bring it up. [20:24:26] <SirCavalier> Which, seeing as the nominator was Mauser, would be difficult [20:24:39] * SimToprawa sighs [20:24:41] <SimToprawa> I really don't remember [20:24:46] <SimToprawa> Someone would have to go through old meeting logs [20:24:55] <SimToprawa> Fuck you, Mauser [20:25:06] <SirCavalier> Didn't we have an SH page where we listed them out? [20:25:14] <SirCavalier> Everything over the limit? [20:25:15] <SimToprawa> I don't remember [20:25:32] <SimToprawa> This is Rule 17, though [20:25:34] <SimToprawa> â€¦counting the introduction and "Behind the scenes" material, be at least 250 words long (not including captions, quotes, or headers, etc). Alternatively, a good article cannot exceed 1000 words. Articles that do so should be nominated for Featured status. [20:26:18] <SimToprawa> Unless someone can show me where we're grandfathering articles in, I vote extend probe on this [20:26:41] <SirCavalier> Fair enough. [20:26:43] Per Tope, extend probation. [20:26:45] <SirCavalier> Extend [20:27:16] Ecks? [20:27:43] xtend [20:28:01] <SirCavalier> Billal extended [20:28:09] <SirCavalier> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Donni_Bratz [20:28:13] <SirCavalier> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=5663731 [20:28:18] <SirCavalier> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Donni_Bratz [20:28:21] <SirCavalier> Terrible name [20:28:52] <SimToprawa> He didn't fix everything [20:28:54] <SimToprawa> Kill [20:28:58] Kill [20:29:01] <SirCavalier> Kill [20:29:02] kill [20:29:11] <SirCavalier> Bratz killed [20:29:25] <SirCavalier> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mubasa_hock [20:29:29] <SirCavalier> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=5632071 [20:29:34] <SirCavalier> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Mubasa_hock [20:30:28] <SimToprawa> He didn't fix the probe extension issues [20:30:32] <SirCavalier> Attempted fixed on it [20:30:59] <SimToprawa> He fixed the original probation issue, then we sent it back because we said it was no good [20:31:03] <SimToprawa> He didn't do anything after that [20:31:05] <SirCavalier> Ah right [20:31:07] Kill [20:31:14] <SimToprawa> Kill [20:31:16] <SirCavalier> Kill [20:31:35] kill [20:31:46] <SirCavalier> Mubasa hock killed [20:31:51] <SirCavalier> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tarkov [20:31:55] <SirCavalier> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=5663750 [20:31:59] <SirCavalier> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Tarkov [20:32:09] <SirCavalier> No change [20:32:11] <SirCavalier> Kill [20:32:12] <SimToprawa> Kill [20:32:23] Kill [20:32:27] kill [20:32:33] <SirCavalier> Tarkov killed [20:32:39] <SirCavalier> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_Naboo_merchant [20:32:44] <SirCavalier> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=5632088 [20:32:48] <SirCavalier> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Unidentified_Naboo_merchant [20:32:57] <SimToprawa> My original issue still really isn't resolved here [20:33:19] <SimToprawa> The probation reason was to fix the reference itself [20:33:35] <SimToprawa> I think he needs to go through that forum discussion to cite and quote specific posts [20:33:47] On the meeting page QuiGonJinn said something. [20:33:50] <SimToprawa> He just gave a really general overall explanation of what the reference is supposed to be in the BTS [20:34:42] <SimToprawa> He pretty much put as little effort into fixing this as he possibly could [20:34:44]    I've expanded the bit about the easter egg. Don't really know what kind of other justification to use the link is needed. It should be pretty self-explanatory to readers who follow the link that there's a member of the development team answering the questions, seeing as he has access to so much behind-the-scenes information in the thread. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 15:45, June 6, 2015 (UTC) [20:35:02] I don't find it self-explanatory. [20:35:16] <SimToprawa> All of what he's trying to explain for us here and in the BTS should be reflected in his referencing, which is the whole purpose of the probation [20:35:38] <IFYLOFD> WE STILL GOING? [20:35:45] <SirCavalier> Floyd. [20:35:47] <SirCavalier> Yes [20:35:50] <IFYLOFD> yus [20:35:53] <SirCavalier> On Sean Connery merchant [20:35:58] <SimToprawa> Yes, you're missing a pretty involved discussion on this current article [20:36:04] <IFYLOFD> Ah [20:36:31] <SirCavalier> Is it simply a case of citing specific forum posts? [20:36:38] <SirCavalier> Or something larger? [20:37:03] <SimToprawa> I think that's a very general way of putting it, but that sort of sums it up [20:37:16] I'm still not entirely convinced that the stuff is legitimate. [20:37:31] <SimToprawa> I don't think there's anything in that forum discussion that addresses this Sean Connery character explicitly, correct me if I'm wrong [20:37:57] <SimToprawa> The discussion either mentions Connery in general and we're just drawing a conclusion to this character, or it mentions under actors who have character resemblances from the game [20:38:18] <SimToprawa> I don't think at any point does the discussion confirm that Zanzibar is a game programmer, though perhaps the inference is obvious [20:38:33] <SimToprawa> He writes in the BTS: "Following the release of the game, this easter egg was confirmed and discussed in detail during a Q & A session with one of the game's programmers, going under the alias "Zanzibar,"" [20:38:58] <SimToprawa> I find the presentation and citation of this information to be extremely shoddy [20:39:13] I need solid proof that Zanzibar is a game programmer before I vote to keep this article. [20:39:16] <SimToprawa> under actors = other actors* [20:39:45] <SirCavalier> Well, the BTS then needs tow things - a forum post or profile indentifying Zanzibar as a LucasArts employee, and a Forum post where he directly acknowledges the Connery cameo, either by stating it or confirming another poster. [20:40:51] <SimToprawa> Or he can avoid attempting to cite this information literally to a game developer and just assert that several characters from the game share real-world celebrity resemblances, this guy's being Connery, then cite the discussion using specific posts and quotes [20:41:12] <SirCavalier> That would be acceptable as well, yes [20:41:15] <SimToprawa> I would be satisfied with that, but it needs to be done the right way [20:41:22] Yeah, I could go for that. [20:41:22] <SimToprawa> Which is what I thought was made clear enough in the original probation [20:41:28] <SirCavalier> So, you would accept a further extension? [20:41:41] <SimToprawa> I say my last line meaning that I don't see that this needs probation [20:41:52] <SimToprawa> He waits until today to try and solve this issue [20:41:58] <SimToprawa> He could have asked us for further clarification [20:42:13] <SimToprawa> I mean, I don't think it needs extension* [20:42:15] <SimToprawa> sorry [20:42:17] Yeah, he pretty much just stated that he disagreed with us. [20:42:32] <SimToprawa> That's why I say he pretty much put as little effort into this as he could [20:42:47] Why should we extend probation for that? [20:43:51] I'm going to vote kill. [20:44:14] extend [20:44:29] <IFYLOFD> Kill this bullshit [20:44:36] <IFYLOFD> Be done with it [20:46:01] <SimToprawa> Kill [20:46:05] Sorry, but I'm going to have to head off. Tope has my vote. [20:46:25] <SirCavalier> Kill [20:46:31] <SirCavalier> Connery killed [20:46:44] <SirCavalier> Onto new articles [20:46:52] <SirCavalier> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Antes_Belladar [20:47:00] <SirCavalier> Antes Belladar - redlink. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 23:33, June 4, 2015 (UTC) [20:47:22] <SirCavalier> Probe [20:47:27] <SimToprawa> It's a pretty easy fix if anyone cares [20:47:29] <SimToprawa> I do not :P [20:47:31] <SimToprawa> Probe [20:47:36] <SirCavalier> Haven't got the source :P [20:47:45] <SimToprawa> You could probably just do it from that section's quote [20:47:50] <SimToprawa> I think that's the extent of it [20:47:55] <IFYLOFD> Pereber [20:48:00] <SimToprawa> But I still don't care :P [20:48:15] <SirCavalier> I try not to create articles I have no first hand knowledge of :P [20:49:02] <SirCavalier> To be honest though, is the soldier even /worth/ an article, or we will end up TCing it in a few months? [20:49:28] <SimToprawa> Well, he has dialogue [20:49:36] <SimToprawa> That's our unofficial threshold right now [20:51:07] <SirCavalier> Ecks? [20:51:11] probe [20:51:28] <SirCavalier> Belladar probed [20:51:34] <SirCavalier> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sev_%28Jedi%29 [20:51:41] <SirCavalier> Sev (Jedi) â€“ Infobox-exclusive info. grunny@wookieepedia:~$ 14:09, June 6, 2015 (UTC) [20:51:58] <SirCavalier> Probe [20:52:01] <SimToprawa> Probe [20:52:10] probe [20:52:36] <SirCavalier> Floyd? [20:54:05] <SirCavalier> Absentees say probe, so Sev probed [20:54:15] <SirCavalier> Alright, maintenance page [20:54:22] <SirCavalier> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Swilla_Corey?t=20150524225950 [20:54:31] <SirCavalier> Content approaching. SWInsider "Pick a Card, Any Card: Making Movie Magic at Decipher, Inc."â€”Star Wars Insider 31â€“class. [20:54:41] <SimToprawa> Probe [20:54:45] <SirCavalier> Probe [20:55:30] <SimToprawa> Come on, guys [20:55:35] <SirCavalier> Ecks, Floyd? [20:55:48] <IFYLOFD> probe [20:55:54] probe [20:55:58] <SirCavalier> Corey probed [20:56:04] <SirCavalier> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Anti-Riot_Tangle_Gun_7?t=20150517201018 [20:56:10] <SirCavalier> Content approaching. Far Horizonsâ€“class. [20:56:13] <SirCavalier> Also has a merge tag [20:56:16] <SirCavalier> Probe [20:56:21] <SimToprawa> Probe [20:56:26] <IFYLOFD> Probe [20:56:37] probe [20:56:43] <SirCavalier> Tangle gun probed [20:56:53] <SirCavalier> Okay, next two are from the same source [20:56:57] <SirCavalier> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ashka_Boda?t=20150319010129 [20:57:02] <SirCavalier> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tensor_rifle?t=20150319005434 [20:57:07] <SirCavalier> Content approaching. Star Wars: Lone Wolf: A Tale of Obi-Wan and Lukeâ€“class. [20:57:26] <SirCavalier> Probe [20:57:28] <SimToprawa> This is from March 6, apparently [20:57:30] <SimToprawa> Probe [20:57:46] <SirCavalier> Yeah, I remember talking about this work with Abel at Celebration [20:58:02] <IFYLOFD> Probe [20:58:22] <SirCavalier> Ecks? [20:58:28] probe [20:58:34] <SirCavalier> Both probed [20:58:39] <SirCavalier> Maintenance page done [20:58:41] <SirCavalier> New business [20:58:48] <SirCavalier>    Shifting the GA queue to two a week, instead of one per day, since our queue is rapidly shrinking. IFYLOFD (Talk) 08:21, June 6, 2015 (UTC) [20:58:57] <IFYLOFD> Pretty self-explanatory [20:58:57] <SirCavalier> Floyd, want to take the floor here? [20:59:09] <IFYLOFD> Yeah, like I said, pretty self-explanatory [20:59:12] <SimToprawa> We might not even make it to next meeting [20:59:17] <SimToprawa> So we need to figure this out. [20:59:19] <SirCavalier> Really? [20:59:21] <IFYLOFD> We did this with the Inqs [20:59:28] <SimToprawa> The queue goes to July 15 [20:59:34] <SirCavalier> Bugger [20:59:51] <SirCavalier> Could we begin a process of refeaturing older GAs? [20:59:58] <SimToprawa> We're already doing that [21:00:04] <IFYLOFD> That's rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic [21:00:05] <SimToprawa> That's pretty much what has kept us sustained this long [21:00:19] <SirCavalier> I mean GAs that had already been on the page once. [21:00:29] <SimToprawa> I'd rather just make it two a day [21:00:31] <SimToprawa> week* [21:01:10] <SimToprawa> Anything we do for the queue needs to go through a CT [21:01:15] <SimToprawa> So we'd have to write something up [21:01:45] <IFYLOFD> Ugh [21:01:53] <IFYLOFD> That's fucking stupid, but yeah [21:02:22] <SimToprawa> We'll have to tally rearrange our GA queue page instructions and our process for doing it [21:02:41] <SirCavalier> Should be able to adapt the FA structure with no problems. [21:03:32] <SimToprawa> So are we done? [21:03:56] <SirCavalier> Who's going to work out the CT? [21:04:16] <SimToprawa> I can do it, I guess [21:04:34] <SirCavalier> You are more eloquent in such matters :P [21:04:49] <SimToprawa> Thank you :P [21:05:10] <SirCavalier> But if we have nothing else, then the meeting is over and all that remains is meeting duties. [21:06:29] <SirCavalier> So, paperwork is Tope [21:06:45] <SirCavalier> And Meeting 80 scheduling is ... also Tope [21:06:48] <SimToprawa> Hooray [21:07:08] <SirCavalier> I hereby adjourn Meeting 79 [21:07:30] <SirCavalier> Thanks for coming, you were all great. [21:07:34] <SirCavalier> And I was fantastic.