Talk:Bastila Shan

Needs NPOV
This article is rife with statements in need of an NPOV cleansing. I'm unfamiliar with most of the early Jedi/Sith topics, so someone else with more appropriate credentials should take a look at it. --SparqMan 23:03, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Better quote
One of: "Bastila? I have heard of her. They say she has already mastered the art of Battle Meditation, remarkable in one so young. Though I have heard she has a foolish pride in her own talents."

- Belaya

"Bastila? The young Jedi holds great promise... and great danger."

- Vrook Lamar

"Bastila was strong, but she was always impatient and headstrong. Malak preyed upon her weaknesses."

- Jolee Bindo

"I'm Bastila Shan, a member of the Jedi Order and a fleet commander for the Republic. Nobody 'owns' me!"

- Bastila Shan

The choice is up to you. - Sikon [ Talk ] 15:28, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I like the last one. But then, I think Jolee's is more appropriate. --Master Starkeiller 21:36, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Where does she say that last one?
 * I don't know, but it's in dialog.tlk. Maybe when Bastila is freed on Taris and the player treats her as a slave? - Sikon [ Talk ] 14:31, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you free her and if you say she ows you, she gives that answer. --Master Starkeiller 22:50, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I say Vrook's personally, and btw, I think having two quotes on the front is unnecessary and makes it look cluttered --LandoSystem1138 01:15, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * What was that quote from Carth about Bastila and why she's so important to the Republic? That seems more appropriate. - lalala_la
 * I vote for Vrook. Starwarsrulez 02:54, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I vote for Belaya! Lord Hammu

Birth date?
Where the heck does Bastila's birth date come from? As far as I know, it is not mentioned in any source. As such, it is pure conjecture and should be removed both from this article and the timeline.--Sentry 00:42, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Bastilashanweb 19:41, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Its not sepcified anywhere, however In my primagames manual, its says "Bastila gifted at a young age fought with Revan..at the age of 18." or something like that. I asked at the Bioware forums a designer confirmed she is 18 soon to be 19. I remember a line in KOTOR when Mission says "Your not much older than me Miss High an Mighty" and since Mission is 14, fir this statement to speak truth Bastila would have to be around 18/19 not 26, right?

Bastilashanweb 20:11, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Where exactly does it state it? I have the Prima Games KotOR guide, and it doesn't say anything about Bastila's age - Kwenn 19:48, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Remember that: 1) Bastila is a romantic interest for the PC, like Carth, who is 38; 2) she was already a Jedi in 3,963 BBY and tried to persuade other Jedi to obey the Council and not to join the Mandalorian Wars; however, 3) she's still a Padawan in K1, although on the verge of knighting. I would say early 20s. - Sikon [ Talk ] 06:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh its ok now one of the writers at Bioware confirmed she is 19 going on 20. Thats what I added on my site.

No, Bastila's birth date IS mentioned in a source; this one right here. http://www.old-republic.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2&Itemid=49 On that site, it says she was born in 3979 BBY, which means she would be 22 in KOTOR.--Promus Kaa 22:58, 5 August 2006 (UTC) Blast. She's still 22 as far as I'm concerned!! :( -- Promus Kaa ( Rebel Merchant )
 * I'm afraid that www.old-republic.com is not an official source.– 23:08, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Star Forge
As I recall, the council sent Revan and co. out to find something, but it definately wasn't the Star Forge, per se. I think it was more like, they were looking for the thing that they thought had turned Revan to the dark side. I'm not entirely sure about what exactly the mission was, which is why I'm leaving it alone, but I'm pretty sure they didn't know about the Forge as such until Rataka Prime.
 * The original purpose of providing Revan with a new identity was to identify the source of the Sith's massive fleet. That source turned out to be the Star Forge. After the player explores the Dantooine ruins, the Enclave Council learns that something called the Star Forge exists and that Revan and Malak were searching for it. Sooo, the quest WAS to find the Star Forge.--Sentry 11:09, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I know that, but I don't think they knew it was the Star Forge when they went looking for it. At least, they didn't know the name "Star Forge" which the article seems to suggest they did.--Tulkas Mirith 21:51, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
 * They knew the name. They didn't know what it was though. Remember the Guardian Droid on Dantooine. Who mentions the Builders greatest creation, the Star Forge. --Redemption 21:57, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Is that so. Well, I feel like kind of an idiot.  Been a bit since I've played it, so I must have formed an incorrect memory or something.  I could've sworn they didn't get the name "Star Forge", but I must be wrong.--Tulkas Mirith 00:32, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Image
What's the source for the image? Why was it replaced? I liked the old one better. - Sikon [ Talk ] 11:00, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Where do hear these things?
Where and when does Bastila say her surname and where she is from, Talravin?

Master Nikolce 08:18, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The only time I can actually recall of Bastilas surname said is when she is reporting to Admiral Dodonna in the DS version (This is Bastila Shan...) as for her homeplanet, she says in her dlg that she was from Talravin. --Redemption 03:45, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Talravin is in her databank entry, and she also says the last name on Taris if you try to tell her that you "own" her after she gets freed from the Vulkars. - Sikon [ Talk ] 07:27, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

That and it is printed EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING FOR HER! It was Shan on the KOTORI Website MONTHS before the release (I know, I visited there almost every day.) No Sig. Not Registered.

Another ending, with Bastila's death
When I played as a lightside female and defeated darkside Bastila I killed her. The game wouldn't let me do otherwise. When she insisted that I kill her I had no option to refuse so I cut her head off. Shouldn't this alternate ending be mentioned too? Vruki Salet 18:05, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You can't cut her head off.... - Kwenn 18:15, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * OK maybe you're right in a sense - it was off-camera, but it was strongly implied. In a cut-scene she knelt down and I raised my saber with what looked like the obvious intention to cut her head off. It wasn't shown but what happened was pretty clear. The saber was swung and she was dead, gone, no longer a character in the game. I guess I could have cut her some other way but it didn't look like that.
 * You actually CAN redeem her as female or fail to redeem her playing male. It's just more difficult. The way the game dialogue tree is set up is that you have to earn 50 "points" in the conversation in order for her to not commit suicide by saber duel. Certain options add or subtract points from the total. -Allronix

It's a bit similar to what happened to Count Dooku.--Malak 08:33, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

It can be mentioned in the article, but it should be noted that the canon way is to redeem her, and this is just an extra.Starwarsrulez 22:29, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Bastila on Korriban
I go to Korriban before getting picked up by the Leviathan (therefore, before I open the fourth Star Map). Docked there, the party selection screen disallows me from selecting Bastila. She apparently refuses to set foot on the Sith world.

I try to talk to Bastila about Korriban but no relevant dialog choices show up. What's the story behind this? --68.102.193.78 02:20, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You probably have missed a cutscene where Bastila explains this. She is afraid that the Sith will recognize her, so she decides to stay on the ship. (Obviously the Sith on Manaan are too dumb to recognize Bastila — after all, those on Taris didn't, despite having been specifically ordered to seek her — and the Sith on Korriban will never choose to inspect the Ebon Hawk seeking, for example, illegal cargo. ) - Sikon [ Talk ] 02:55, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, of course they wouldn't! They have their Sithly fingers into the illegal stuff trade, why would they offend their suppliers? Varas Halcyon 14:42, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW, that decision was apparantly made late in production, because there are some GREAT lines out of Bastila that were written for Korriban. A nifty little mod allows you to bring her along on the planet to catch the goodies. - Allronix

The Jedi Trained by the Exile
The Exile didn't neccessarily train any Jedi. You have the option to (which I found pretty stupid to be honest, you can't learn that sort of skill that fast unless you're a Skywalker) - but you don't have to. So I don't see how this can be considered to be a part of the continuity until it's clarified by a later game/novel/comic/sourcebook or something. So I ask, why are they mentioned in the article when they might not even be Jedi as far as continuity is concerned? (Ulicus 22:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC))
 * Your point being? Why post it here? - Sikon [ Talk ] 04:16, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I have *no* idea. Trust me, finding this really weirded me out. I tend to discuss stuff on talk pages all at once, so maybe I pasted it into the wrong window or something... either that or someone set me up! Duhn duhn duuhhhhhnnn!(Ulicus 21:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC))

Three Images
I've noticed they are three Bastila Images.


 * 1.The cover of the box.(Which doesen't even look like Bastila.}


 * 2.The ingame Bastila.


 * 3.The image on some comics,the manual,and other sources.

Why is there three?

--Malak 08:40, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I counted seven. ;) - Sikon [ Talk ] 08:51, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about? there are about 7 Bastilla pictures not 3.--Darth Malice 18:30, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

KotOR II?
There isn't anything about her from after the Star Forge. There was some mention of her in the second gameRevan&#39;s Bane 19:47, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? In the game or in the article? --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 19:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * After playing through KotOR II again (for about the fourth time in a month), I played as a male Jedi Sentinel, became a Sith Assassin, and set Revan to male, I finished the Battle of Telos and went to talk to Carth. He went through his whole thing of "tell Revan I'm following his orders", and then Bastila came out, asking Carth if the Exile knew anything of Revan's whereabouts. Carth replied "No, but after finally meeting the exile, I'm convinced there are worse things in the galaxy to lose." Since I played as a Sith, I know it's not canon with the storyline, but it should at least be mentioned.--Atlas503 13:17, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * He says that if you put Revan as lightsided(It does not matter if you set Revan as male or female, just one sentence is different), so that makes it canon. It doesn't matter if you are jedi, sith, or neither it just matters what Revan is to make him talk to you, though he does not talk to you if Revan is set to darksided.Starwarsrulez 22:23, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Time for an Image change?
Been waiting to do this for a while now and I finally got some shots. The main image...though it is promotional...it's just not that great of quality. Looks very odd. So, I know I'm going aganist my own protocol but perhaps she'd be better off with a new in-game photo


 * GASP from crowd*

So, I took Bastila out on a Dantooine Photo Shoot and selected the best ones (stuck the promo in if you want that to stay anyway). -- Redemption  Talk 23:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Number 2

 * 1) Maclimes Zero''' (talk) [[Image:Infinite_Empire.png|10px]] 23:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 2)  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 15:19, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Starwarsrulez 22:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Any of the new ones are fine by me - QuentinGeorge 10:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Comments

 * Naturally, the promo must stay in the article somewhere. Maclimes Zero''' (talk) [[Image:Infinite_Empire.png|10px]] 23:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Not really. There is already a promotional Bastila image in. (two if you count covers) -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] Talk 23:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm... Good point. Maclimes Zero''' (talk) [[Image:Infinite_Empire.png|10px]] 23:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * So do I win? :D Maclimes Zero''' (talk) [[Image:Infinite_Empire.png|10px]] 21:41, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Only if nobody else votes within the next couple of days. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] Talk 23:25, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * As long as the promo stays, I don't care which picture we use as long as we don't use picture 4. Starwarsrulez 22:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Define "stay". In the infobox or article? Lets be frank. It's a pretty crappy quality picture...-- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] Talk 22:24, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I just want it to stay in the article and I think it looks cool. Starwarsrulez 22:27, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * But is it best for infobox? That is the question here. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] Talk 22:30, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok your right it should be changed and deleted.Starwarsrulez 22:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Considering there hasn't been any voting, I'm assuming number 2 is our winner. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 16:21, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Are we ever going to change the quote, or leave it the same? Starwarsrulez 23:13, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Three copyvio paragraphs
They've been rewritten now, but we really need to watch out for things like that. There were three paragraphs practically ripped wholesale from the KOTOR site. - Lord Hydronium 07:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Ultimate Quote Supply
Tommorow I will (if I have time) upload the collected dialog of Bastila as found in KOTOR. Karohalva 05:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)