Talk:Darth Bane/Legends

Note to anyone
'''Darth Bane is dead. Do not ask about his ultimate fate. The article provides a source definitively stating that he died during the duel with Zannah. Anyone asking about this risks a block.  Chack Jadson ''' (Talk) 23:48, March 8, 2010 (UTC)

Uh, a private blog isn't a canon source, but if you're going to have a hissy fit about it.--216.45.228.131 21:37, March 12, 2010 (UTC)Doc

Sith'ari Section
Why was it removed? Was there a vote? Shouldn't the deletion of a whole section be put up to a vote?--Black Jack Scarron 00:27, 26 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It was speculation and it wasn't that big or important of a section.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 20:57, 26 September 2008 (UTC)


 * it's one thing when fans read too much into the author's writing. but drew k, heavily implies bane is the sith'ari, he does everything, but outright says it's bane. and it was an important part of the novel because bane meets the parameters of the sith'ari after he's told what the sith'ari is. so as a reader, we are told what the sith'ari must do. and as we read on we see bane fulfill the requirements. it should be re-added. it could be bts for god's sake. if anybody thinks it's not a big deal to remove, i equally or even more passionately believe it should be left in the article. --Black Jack Scarron 04:40, 27 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree it needs to be in. Whether he is or isnt the fact that he is sort of implied as the sith'ari is sort of important.Darth James 21:02, 12 January 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes thank you, Sith'ari is still mentioned in Vader's article. It should remain in Bane's article.--Black Jack Scarron 00:17, 13 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I strongly believe that the sith`ari section of the Darth bane page SHOULD be included I have both the darth bane novels by drew k and as it has been said in `path of destruction` drew does imply that bane is the sith`ari and I agree It would take a brilliant sith mind to think of the rule of 2 and completely overthrow Kaan`s brotherhood that was the work of the true sith`ari--78.150.222.168 20:02, October 22, 2009 (UTC)Pope Dean the greatest.

5.3 Factual correction: Darth Bane's Species
I think Darth Bane is part human, part Kath. Republic recruiters refer to him as a "Kath-mutt" in Chapter 3 of "Darth Bane: Path of Destruction". Gerd refers to him as an "ungrateful son-of-a-Kath-hound" in Chapter 1.
 * A kath hound is a type of animal, and therefore not a suitable partner for a Human. So no. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 23:07, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's an insult, in that case. Like calling someone a son of a bitch.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:42, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It is possible that he is near or part human and from Dantooine. User:Wild Dog--Wild Dog 13:56, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Very doubtful.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 22:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The pictures of him I've seen show him with red eyes, greenish skin, and dark walking under his eyes. The dark markings are probably Sith tattoos but the skin and eyes are strange for a full human. Maybe these are extreme effects of being physically changed by the dark side such as yellow eyes.
 * Working in the mines also, it is stated, has had a pretty negative effect on his physical health and complexion. The Haunted Angel 17:56, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Question
can i add this information to my website or is it all copywrited?
 * See FAQ, namely the legal questions section. I'll quote it: "Yes [you may use info from this siite]! However, this only applies to the text, licensed under the GFDL, and a select few free images. Most of our images are copyrighted by Lucasfilm Ltd. and used under the fair use clause for identification purposes, and using them for other purposes or in countries where fair use conditions do not apply may be illegal. If you use Wookieepedia articles elsewhere, all you are legally required to do (by the license) is to add a copyright notice saying that the article is copyrighted and licensed under the GFDL, and a link to the original Wookieepedia article. You can freely modify and redistribute the material, provided that you license your modifications under the GFDL as well. You cannot license it on other conditions or put it in the public domain, nor can you claim copyright for content you did not write yourself (everyone only holds copyright to the contributions they themselves made)."  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:57, 5 February 2009 (UTC)

so no pictures, link it back to wookepedia that the article is copyrighted and licensed under the GFD.....then i can add into my website anywere?

darth banes death
is there going to a book or anything in which darth bane dies?
 * Perhaps in Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 20:06, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

Shouldn't Darth Bane be listed in the category, Dark Lords of the Sith? 65.219.4.7 00:56, 19 February 2009 (UTC) gusmahler


 * Yes I think he should if he isn't already.Black Jack Scarron 16:09, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * He's already in the subcategory Category:Sith Lords of Bane's Order. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 18:12, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Darth bane doesn't die in DoE, that much is for sure. Zannah does though

BANE ISNT DEAD! in the discussion and in the DoE, he is "destroyed" but he completed the trancefur to zannahs body! its so obvious if u read the book. it says that he has a tremor in his LEFT hand!!!!! and at the very end of the book zannah clenches and un-clenches her LEFT hand... der!!!! he did the esence trancfer and his body was destroyed, zannah's mind is gone and bane took over her body. ~Darth Mousenanti

Darth bane does die...the author makes it seem  like part of bane is there though...enough to do anything? idk...but zannah is in control as of now,the author explained it. ~DartheBanelives I wouldnt say dead, just body destroyed...we dont know how much of bane remains he could just come back in another book or something but he most likely wont...i stil wouldntsay he was dead though, not yet, the author put something about him at the end for a reason.~darthbanelives I'm going to have to ask for some proof that he is dead, as i have looked everywhere, andcan only find that the author has put that he lost the battle of wills, but a portion of bane remains alive. So that means bane could DEFINITELY come back somehow, if they wanted it to happen. i wouldnt say he's dead at all, his body is just destroyed...just like it used to correctly say on his page. i'm not gonna say bane is dead until i am absoultely sure he is. Part of bane lives on!~darthbanelives
 * He's dead. This discussion is over.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 17:48, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, he is dead. It's a canonical fact.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 22:09, January 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's fabulous. Are you done now?  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:12, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

gimmie a break chack, its like u dont care bout bane. didnt u read the book?? r u trying to say that the author made a point to put in that "zannahs" hand twiched if he wasnt alive?!?! Darth Mousenanti 00:51, January 26, 2010 (UTC)Darth Mousenanti

If Chack doesn't care about Bane it's probably because he's a fictional character and doesn't actually exist. A fact which you seem unable to appreciate. Drew (the author of the books) has said that Darth Bane is dead, ergo he is. However, he imprinted part of his personality on to Zannah before he died, which is why her hand was twitching at the end of the book. Jayden Matthews 08:41, January 26, 2010 (UTC) He actually doesn't say its his personality at all, he even leaves it open as to whether bane is alive in some way or not...its not set on stone at allll. ~darthbanelives

5.3 Factual correction
In Darth Bane: Path of Destruction, it describes Dessel's eyes as being blue. That should probably be added to the eye description. --Jkrewtman 06:11, 24 February 2009 (UTC) But his eyes are yellow-red in the main image. So, his eyes aren't blue. WILDEYE N-25 02:15, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

While the cover image of Darth Bane shows him with Sith eyes (yellow), the actual text states that his eyes are blue. I think the author's texts are more accurate than an artist's illustration. Plus, if you bring up Darth Vader's profile it also states blue eyes along with the yellow sith eyes. Just thinking Wookieepedia should have some continuity. Jkrewtman 17:34, 1 March 2009 (UTC)

Bane is the Sith'ari
Should this perhaps be mentioned in the opening paragraph, somewhere? (It was recently confirmed by the CSWE)( Uli Talk 21:23, 18 April 2009 (UTC))
 * Yeah, I'll check CSWE and add it.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 23:56, 18 April 2009 (UTC)

No Darth Bane/Darth Rivan contradiction
First let me say that everything I am about to state can be found on Wookieepedia. Now, in Darth Rivan's page on this site it states that he got his Sith name from a corrupted Sith manuscript which identified Darth Revan, the Dark Lord of the Sith who was redeemed during the Jedi Civil War, as "Rivan." So, this implies the Rivan was a fan of Revan and most likely but not confirmed copied him in at lest some way. Darth Bane came up with the idea for the Rule of Two after studying Darth Revan's holocron. So, we can conclude that despite the fact that Darth Rivan predated Darth Bane it is possible that Darth Rivan's fortress had a trap that adherence to the one master/one apprentice rule that Revan (who predates them both) first instituted and the Darth Bane adapted. --JMasterWor 20:00, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Also, Darth Bane may have "authored" the Rule of Two but it was not his idea. He was told by Darth Revan's holocron about the Rule of Two.

"The strong must be careful lest they be overwhelmed by the ambitions of those working beneath them in concert. Any master who instructs more than one apprentice in the ways of the dark side is a fool. In time, the apprentices will unite their strengths and overthrow the master. It is inevitable; axiomatic. That is why each master must have only one student.

This is also the reason there can only be one Dark Lord. The Sith must be ruled by a single leader: the very embodiment of the strength and power of the dark side. If the leader grows weak another must rise to seize the mantle. The strong rule; the weak are meant to serve. This is the way it must be.

My time here is ended. Take what I have taught you and use it well."

Darth Bane decided to bring back the idea of the Rule of Two but did not originally come up with it. --s1th 21:30, 4 Sept 2009 (UTC)

Darth Revan only came up with the one master, one apprentice part but he only followed that to a degree. He had many Sith through out his fleet and he had the Sith Academy on Korriban full of potential Sith. Where Darth Bane's Rule of Two was one master, one apprentice period, no other Sith were to exist. Darth Rivan just used the one master, one apprentice idea that Revan had and used it in his fortress. --JMasterWor 14:26, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Revan didn't fulfill his beliefs. Bane took the initiative to destroy and rebuild the sith order on this idea.

first part
Actually the last portion of the opening portion in the feature article darth bane is false it is not possible for him to have to wait a millenia for the sith to re-emerge because in the second book of darth bane The Rule of two chancellor valorum makes an apearance although not as the prsent chancellor

new picture
that is a horrible main picture, so i'm changing it back whether you like it or not. --Vandar Tokare42 06:14, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Someone seems to place an unwarranted amount importance on themselves. It's obvious that your opinion conflicts with others. I suggest that before you go around changing things because you don't like them, you discuss it first. Changing it back due to reasons being childish and unprofessional. If you wish to discuss it further, I highly suggest you be more negotiable. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png (Talk) 06:20, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm in favor of keeping this pic as the main one if it's up for discussion.--Black Jack Scarron 23:02, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I liked the original picture better than the new one.
 * It was changed because the Chris Trevas image from The Essential Atlas is very high quality. And it was changed with the full approval of the individual who nominated it for FA way back when. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 23:10, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The new image is awesome. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 23:43, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That's probably the most detailed picture of Bane i've ever seen. I say it should remain the main picture 90.194.175.210 20:40, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the picture should be kept. Wormulon 21:18, 23 August 2009 (UTC)
 * yeah, i've warmed to the image now. i like it. --Vandar Tokare42 23:14, September 4, 2009 (UTC)

Violet blade
Hi. I just read both Banes novels (third time i have to admit) and i have a question. I am cofused by the violet colour of his lightsaber as it is on the picture of one issue of Jedi vs.Sith and Bane of the Sith and the violet saber, he has in his legacy series toy. In both books there is said that he had crimson blade and only crimson blade there is no mention of violet. Only thing that i know of is the cristal Qordis gave to Bane. Was this cristal the one, giving the blade violet colour? If so there should be some mention about it in the books but there is none. Also according to above mentioned pictures, Bane must has had the violet colour in the seventh battle of Ruusan and on Dxun but in the novels there is clearly described the colour as crimson. Is it some kind of contradiction or ani missing something?--ScorpiO 22:02, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * What we have here is an example of the powers-that-be mucking up canon for no good reason. Bane's saber was supposed to be purple, but due to the prevalent fetishism of giving every bad guy a red lightsaber they changed it all around. Man, the EU's turned to complete poodoo. 64.180.93.200 20:00, September 16, 2009 (UTC)

Cartoons, toys, and comic books are a load of crap made by people who don't have the brain capacity to write a book. The actual books are what I go by, because they aren't little kid stories with all of the gore (which we all know sith inflict) taken out of the story.

question
Bane posessed unique force abilities and and an affinity for lightsaber combat and well as hand to hand combat he in short was a great and powerful sith. Darth Sidious also had unique abilities such as battle meditation and was also skilled with a lightsaber and was considered the greatest Sith Lord of all time if the two were to clash what would be the outcome? I strongly Favor Bane but Sideous surprised many people time and time again. I wish to here another persons opinion on this situation. perhaps someone more knowledgeable than me. --Jedihistorian1923 22:42, November 7, 2009 (UTC)


 * Thanks for your interest in Wookieepedia, but Wookieepedia is not a general-purpose message board so questions like this are off topic for a talk page. Might I suggest trying the Knowledge Bank? =) - Brandon Rhea Alliance Starbird.svg (talk) 22:45, November 7, 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, this would be off-topic for the Knowledge Bank also, as it violates rule 2 (no versus threads). Might I suggest the Jedi Council Forums on TheForce.Net? &mdash;Master Jonathan(Jedi Council Chambers) 22:50, November 7, 2009 (UTC)

Spoilers!!
So, for anyone who has read DoE, did Bane or Zannah win? Obviously the book was written deliberately vague, but what do you think is the outcome? Personally, I think Zannah won, but I'd like to get an answer from Chee about this (I may post this in hopes of an answer in the holocron forum).  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 01:21, December 11, 2009 (UTC) Yeah but in the third book the author says that zannah was clenching and unclenching her hand like Bane did earlier in the book
 * Yeah, I hope Zannah won too. I will be really angry if Bane won. I mean, he was a great anti-hero, but I feel like his story should be over.
 * So it looks like the Author has straight up announced that Zannah won that battle and that Bane has in fact died. Here is a link: http://www.drewkarpyshyn.com/spoiler.htm  Kieren Horn 
 * Thanks for the link! I did think he left it deliberately ambiguous, but this settles it in my mind. --Mayhemm 07:04, January 31, 2010 (UTC)
 * He's dead.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 19:21, December 21, 2009 (UTC)

Essence Transfer
What is the possibility that Bane, learning of essence transfer, has somehow maintained a role as either master or apprentice? Possibly could explain how Darth Plagueis had such a vast knowledge of the force. I know its all speculation, just a thought. I think that someone needs to update Banes powers and abilities with essence transfer and death field, and also note how strong his willpower was, even if he did lose to Zannah.
 * You mean Bane is Plagueis? I doubt it. Anyway, there's no canonical answer as to whether he survived past 980 BBY.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:58, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * I know there is no canonical answer but Sidious does say in RotS that only one has mastered the ability to live forever and Im just saying, IF Bane did in fact win the battle of wills with Zannah then....? Darth jerpus 23:07, December 14, 2009 (UTC)Jerpus
 * Well, he didn't. I believe this will answer your questions. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Jedi Beacon ) 23:11, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Awesome, Thanks for the info.Darth jerpus 08:37, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Drew has confirmed that Zannah won the battle and is now the Dark Lord of the Sith, but that a tiny piece of Bane's soul continues to live inside her. He stole the idea from Harry Potter. Jayden Matthews 08:47, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Darth Cognus could sense Bane was still there after the battle, which if he lost his soul would have been obliterated. And you can't prove that's his actual homepage. I could put together a better one in five minutes.

The transfer in DoE
I'm thinking it might have been possible albeit unlikely, that Bane transferred into the Huntress instead. Granted Zannah's arm was trembling, but perhaps during the transfer Bane switched. It never specifically stated from the Holocron that it needed to be a physical connection to complete the transfer...

just a thought! 24.228.13.103 05:35, January 24, 2010 (UTC)Thrymm dude that makes no sense bane clearly was in zannahs body for a minute it stated taht. and cognus clearly thought bane took over zannah so how would she be bane?~darthbanelives

Drew has confirmed that Bane is dead. Jayden Matthews 09:15, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

he hasn't reallybeen confirmed dead, drew said he was either alive or part of him had been imprinted.~darthbanelives


 * From Drew's post: "&hellip;some readers are still confused, and I feel I owe it to them to provide that closure (even though I know some of them will be angry at me for killing off their personal favorite)." "&hellip;when Zannah proclaims “Darth Bane is gone. I am Darth Zannah, Dark Lord of the Sith and your new Master,” I thought it would be pretty clear." "I never wanted people to assume Bane had taken over Zannah’s body successfully." For the last time, Bane is dead. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Jedi Beacon ) 15:21, January 24, 2010 (UTc)

from the same post "The whole thing with Zannah’s hand twitching was only to show that some part of Bane had passed through to her. How much – was he still “alive” in some way, or is it just a small part of his identity imprinted on her – was supposed to be the ambiguous part. But I never wanted people to assume Bane had taken over Zannah’s body successfully." "So, there it is. Zannah won – Bane tried to possess her and failed. But he wasn’t *completely* destroyed… though how much of him remains is something I’m going to leave open for now." For the last time, bane isn't completely gone...hate to break it to the people who want  him to be but he's not until drew says further.
 * Enough. This talk page is not a forum where you can add your speculation. The facts of the matter are as followed: Darth Zannah won, and Darth Bane is dead. Drew made it pretty clear that while a remnant of Bane was left, Bane himself was dead and gone. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 18:38, January 24, 2010 (UTC)

Why should the out-of-work announcements of a tie-in author carry so much canonical weight? He's not Leland Chee. He's not George Lucas. Drew Karpshyn's contributions to canon are the words on the page, not announcements on his website. In my opinion, relying on this author as proof that Bane is either dead or alive is irresponsible. Give us words from the book or words authorized by LFL, if you please, not third party websites for an author to interact with his fans. Would we edit Jar Jar's entry to say that character was a droid if Ahmed Best for some reason made such a claim in an interview? Of course not. Save that stuff for the behind the scenes section. (MacW~ 2/13/2010)
 * The difference is that DREW WROTE THE BOOK. Ahmad Best just acted as Jar Jar, he didn't write Jar Jar's part or decide what happened to him, whereas Drew did write Bane's part, and he did decide what happened to Bane. And if he intended for it to be one way, that's how it canonically took place, unless some retcon is later made. Also, please see Grand Moff Tranner's above note, and don't forget to sign your posts with four tildes, like this: ~ . Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Jedi Beacon ) 01:04, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that but it is irrelevant. Karpshyn's blog is not an official LFL source. Only the book itself is. There's no particular reason to care what he later claims he intended except as a behind the scenes matter. For example, if Karpshyn writes in his blog tomorrow that Bane still had the orbalisks in Dynasty of Evil that would mean absolutely nothing as a matter of canon because the text itself states the orbalisk armor is long gone. (And incidentally, saying the authors "decide" what happens is stretching things a lot since they are ultimately delivering on LFL-mandated events.) If LFL wants to put out an official statement on the extent to which Bane imprinted on Zannah or failed to do so, great. As it stands however, all we have are non-canonical statements on a private blog and and an in-universe statement by whoever's in Zannah's body, which isn't necessarily true because characters sometimes lie even when they're not Sith Lords. Regardless of whether Bane's spirit lives on it's still appropriate to say Bane died in 980 BBY by the same token we list multiple deaths for Palpatine. I'm just saying it's irresponsible to state as fact who won that battle of wills. Better to adopt a "just the facts" description of the outcome as observed by Cognus until such time as the matter is clarified in an Essential Guide or subsequent books.--137.22.228.122 03:08, February 14, 2010 (UTC)MacW
 * Did you even read the quotes that Jonjedigrandmaster provided from Karpyshyn's blog? Karpyshyn wrote Dynasty of Evil - and in that book, he made it clear that Bane is gone. However, he felt the need to explain it further only when uncertainty arose - uncertainty that was not present when he finished writing the book. His blog doesn't have to be canon for him to explain that. Therefore, there is no issue, nor is there really any need for this conversation to continue. If you choose to continue this debate, you'll only succeed in creating further disruption without anything actually changing. I respectfully ask you to drop this, leave it behind you, and focus on contributing to the site. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 04:03, February 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * I respectfully counter that there is absolutely an issue. That's why people have been discussing this! The book is not "clear" Bane is gone. The book has a character claim Bane is gone. That doesn't prove anything. To illustrate, ANH has a character claim Darth Vader killed Anakin Skywalker. Please stop trying to silence an opposing viewpoint. And yes, I am familiar with Karpshyn's note, read it long before I entered this talk page. It still doesn't matter. It's not an authoritative LFL source, period. No amount of silencing will make it an authoritative LFL source. And sourcing is important, and it's poor practice to handwave this away just because we are virtually certain an official clarification (in the form of either future books involving the Banite Sith or an Encyclopedia or Essential Guide) in line with Karpshyn's blog post is forthcoming. It's still speculation on our part until it's official, and this is not the fanon wiki. So my contribution, whether you agree or not, is speaking in favor of the best practices. Wookieepedia should maintain its high standards.--137.22.228.122 06:24, February 14, 2010 (UTC)MacW

I'd just like to say that I don't think he's dead. Cognus could sense that he was in Zannah's body, and Zannah's hand now had Darth Bane's trait of clenching of the left fist.