User talk:FVBonura/archive1

Try not to delete everything on the page. It may do the opposite of contributing. JadenKorr13 04:49, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Opposite?
What does that mean (opposite)?

Is there a way to file or minimize messages instead of deleting them?

Never mind.
I take that back. It's your page. You have the freedom to do almost anything, so never mind. JadenKorr13 04:56, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Freedom
Thanks anyway.

Removing content
That welcome message is placed on new user talk pages to give them quick access to learning how things work here at Wookieepedia, including policies, manual of style, layout guides, etc. While removing it from your talk page is not, I believe, a blocking offense, blanking of any other posts from your talk page is not allowed. Also, blanking of content from any other talk page or article page is not allowed either. And by removing the welcome message, you acknowledge that you understand Wookieepedia's policies and accept any punitive measures that may be enforced on you if you break those policies. Just so you know. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 02:56, 17 November 2008 (UTC) Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:09, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * And??? Frank V Bonura
 * It means don't do it again. You would do well to heed the advice of others who have been around and involved in the community for a long time rather than taking a snooty attitude. Likewise, I don't appreciate the comments made here concerning the "powers that be." I would suggest stopping while you're ahead. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:37, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
 * How very interesting, intimidation. Would you honestly prefer it if I conspired with other prequel haters in secrecy? If you were smart you would have just silently listened to us and learned from us. What is it precisely you want me to stop doing? -- Frank V Bonura  - The Bane of Revisionism 20:02, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

Post April 1999 SW Material
We've never corresponded before, but I am a long-time admirer of your work, as well as Robert Brown's. I think there seems to be some dysfunction regarding intent, as I meant nothing that would engender a defensive posture. As this site already accepts information from both pre- and post-prequel material, and serves solely as a repository of that information and not of opinions regarding it, there aren't really any options avaialable for accomodating your demands, short of abandoning the policy it was founded under. Hence, my suggestion of an alternative Wiki that excludes the sources you object to, similar to the distinction between the two primary Star Trek wikis, Memory Alpha and Memory Beta, which is distincted by source material. It's the most equitable solution to my mind, and I for one would certainly be interested in visitng and contributing to such a resource were you to start it. I hope this makes it clear that it is in no way a matter of disrespect, but of satisfying all parties involved rather than supporting one group's perspective at the expense of the other. I can only imagine you'd approve of such a stance. Dangerdan97 14:11, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * A most interesting proposal. I am very much torn on this issue Dangerdan97.


 * On one hand having an online, open source, exhaustive, prequel-free STAR WARS encyclopedia would be a valuable tool for my roleplaying games. The downside of such is I would have to devote so much time to it, I would have little time left for my roleplaying efforts. My biggest concern would be keeping the Wiki "pollution free" (Devoid of any post April 1999 material). I consider a Prequel-free Wiki a far bigger undertaking than the existing one we are active in. A prequel-free Wiki would also have fewer participants to contribute and I suspect would have more vandals coming in to damage its content.


 * Conversely on the other hand of my argument is to stay here and keep contributing to this monstrous volume of useful STAR WARS information that improves every day. I have personally added several articles from the old first edition West End Games source material that did not appear. I also have corrected many articles or expanded them. I do consider this project a worthy effort, worthy of my investment of time. Worthy in spite of the fact its festooned with post April 1999 material. If you know me, that is truly saying something. It continues to be my firm belief if ALL the STAR WARS facts are put on the table in an unbiased manner, visitors/readers of this site can come to their own conclusions. Human nature of course makes this very difficult to accomplish.


 * I see one of my roles here to put at least some perspective on the negative bias that is pervasive in this wiki towards readers who are anti-prequel. Many people who post in this wiki don't even realize that when something is changed in the canon/continuity, it does not automatically render information that came before obsolete. This wiki needs to have a reverence for older sources including THE original source from 1977. We are here to chronicle the STAR WARS Phenomenon as well as STAR WARS history. If we work hard we can do both and honor both in the process. Loosing a reverence for the sanctity of history as it originally occurred is a problem far bigger than this wiki and an attitude that should not be left unchecked. To let history be lost and changed is to loose who we are and loose why we are here in the first place. People who are anti-prequel understand this and people who are pro-prequel need to be made aware of this.


 * Ultimately I can do more for the entire STAR WARS Community by staying here and filling gaps in the record from source material in my private collection. I can also contribute by making sure inconsistencies and changes in the greater continuity are identified, exposed and reported in an unbiased manner so that the visitor can study those facts and draw a personal conclusion on what is correct and what is wrong. -- Frank V Bonura  - The Bane of Revisionism 15:35, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * As far as time intensivity, as the purpose of a wiki is community contribution, it would not necessarily be a significant effort by you alone. Indeed, this very Wookieepedia began as an effort by a single individual to escape the constraints of Wikipedia's policy on Star Wars minutiae. And as you have asserted the large breadth of like-minded fans, to point of calling it a majority, time would inevitably be on your side.  As far as vandalism and "pollution", the Wook has to deal with it's share (See: Supershadow), so don't let that discourage you. So long as you lay down the rules up front, people will know what to expect.  Site policy here being what it is, and you judging it to be negatively biased against your perspective, indicates it may be wiser in the interests of avoiding conflict that you find or create a forum that allows you the expression you desire. To impose it here without the consent of the other contributors would be just as un-ethical as your view of the present situation, even if that isn't obvious. Dangerdan97 15:58, 26 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Not once but twice you offer me a feast of thought.


 * If you were a member of my campaign, you would have been rewarded with Character Points. The temptation is very great but if I lock myself in an iron tower and only allow those inside who agree with me, then I have not grown and only demonstrated to those outside I am a close-minded fool regardless if I am or not.


 * Judging by your tone, I sense you have given much thought to this proposal. One of the other problems that face us is many of those STAR WARS fans loyal to the old ways no longer are STAR WARS fans. You spoke of my mentor/teacher the wise Robert Brown (B^2). Mr. Brown is no longer a STAR WARS fan and will have nothing to do with STAR WARS any more. Figuratively, the prequels broke his heart. Somewhere along the line I picked up his old battered torch and continued to honor his legacy and to repay him for all the wisdom he imparted to me. Great Men, great STAR WARS teachers/commentators like Rob are few and far between. I pray a spark of his light burns on in me. We will never regain the fans we lost.


 * Back in 1999 I lost three of my STAR WARS roleplayers for good. These were good men who played constantly and with fervor. After seeing the likes of Jar Jar Binks and The Phantom Menace, they swore off STAR WARS, turned in all their roleplaying products, and walked away from the hobby completely. George Lucas did not just betray his fans, figuratively and for all practicality he murdered them.


 * Because of what I have witnessed and observed abroad, I believe STAR WARS is dying. The resurrection/restoration of the cultural phenomenon will never come from the Skywalker Ranch or its dark emperor. If STAR WARS is to live it will be by the hands of the fans who care to see it live. To this end, I still strongly believe that exposing all the remaining/surviving STAR WARS fans to the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth is the greater if not greatest mission we have right here. -- Frank V Bonura  - The Bane of Revisionism 02:54, 30 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Purple prose aside, just be sure to operate within the guidelines set down, as you're in someone else's house, and are obliged to play by their rules if you want to stay. Dangerdan97 15:28, 30 May 2009 (UTC)

Blocked

 * Thank you for your email. It's nice when people follow the instructions and go to IRC/email the admin rather than trying to evade the block. Anyway, you've been unblocked, and I'll admit you're right in your comments. That said, you could follow your own advice; when someone - particularly an administrator, such as Darth Culator - reverts something you do, it's a good idea to discuss it with them as opposed to just redoing what you did.
 * Anyway, archiving a talk page is quite simple. Create a subpage, such as User talk:FVBonura/archive1, then cut and paste the contents of your talk page to the archive. Then create a link to the archive at the top of your page, and you have it. If you need any other help with it, let me know. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 19:59, 19 June 2009 (UTC)


 * Thank you so much for all the help. I am still trying to get the hang of everything and I still have much to learn. Be well -- Frank V Bonura 02:12, 20 June 2009 (UTC)