User talk:Havac

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Archive: Archive One

Quotation question
Hi, Havac, I have a query!

Question
Is it seen as proper to quote P.O.V. prose? It's actually quite difficult to come up with examples, but try this for size:

"Every time the disease had cropped up, Mara had focused her strength, had focused the Force inwards, and beat it back." (p. 81 of paperback Vector Prime)

So that's Leia's 3rd person point of view, it isn't speech, and I don't believe (correct me if I'm wrong but I doubt I am) it could ever be quoted in an IU article, e.g. Mara's. It isn't quoted anywhere btw, in case you're worried.

Examples here: So can you quote thoughts? I suppose Corran Horn's internal monologues in the X-wing series would be an example. They're italicized, and essentially 1st person, but they're still not speech.
 * The lead quote in The Commodore article. However, I don't know if you have Allegiance, so this may not help.
 * If you check the history for the Duel on Terephon, you can see that the user who created the article used quotations from Traviss' prose in Sacrifice as part of the article. I cut them out when I expanded the article (badly, I'll admit, but it had been a WIP for about a month).
 * Zekk also has a suspicious lead quote, qhich looks like it's been taken from the text, and credited to Jaina's 'thoughts'.

So in the less fiddly question, can you only quote the spoken word/direct telepathy etc?

I'm relatively confused, and don't like the idea of users quoting the author instead of the character (though obviously that's a self-contradictory statement, you know what I mean). I was wondering what the policy was.

Thanks, and sorry for any poor research on my behalf, as well as eating up you discussion page. Harrar 23:24, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Quoting OOU prose is a huge no-no. Shouldn't happen. Thoughts are iffier, and I prefer not to use them if you've got anything else that can do the job. I've used direct first-person narration before, in BoShek's article, and I wouldn't be opposed to quoting thoughts, occasionally, if it's made clear in the attribution that they're thoughts, but I'd only do it in the most extreme circumstances. I'm not sure that there's any actual policy on it, though. Havac 23:32, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, well I've seen a few examples - I disagree with it on principle, I guess, and was hoping it wasn't a growing, sanctioned phenomenom. Without wishing to tell tales, you might wanna explain this to User:Firebird, because three of the examples I've found were from her, and I didn't get a reply when I asked her if it was proper. Thanks for the info. Harrar 23:40, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Labria
Do you have access to the Fact Files article on him? --Eyrezer 13:21, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No, is there something worth having? Havac 17:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I dunno, but worth having a look. I'll see if Jaymach will upload. Also while it is in the Appearances there is no cite for the Galaxy of Fear book. Wasn't Boba going to hunt him at one point but got called off the hunt? Is worth mentioning for completeness. --Eyrezer 00:45, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Trouble with a user
Hey Hav, I thought I would bring this to your attention. There's been some discrepancy over some info concerning the Executor article, specifically the manner in which it was destroyed. I've asked Vymer to properly source some of the information he insists on sticking in there more than once, and he continuously fails to do so. Not that he's really being a problem, I feel he just doesn't understand how to properly present information, including sourcing it. If you feel like it, concern his talk page and the Executor's talk page to see the history of what I'm talking about. Maybe you could talk to him and explain to him how he needs to source his material or else it needs to be removed. I don't want to turn this thing into an edit war. Thanks. Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:14, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll look into it. Havac 06:20, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * He seems to be correct; the globes have been retconned to be sensors only, but surrounded by projector vanes. I've reworded and more tightly sourced the relevant section. Havac 06:40, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * All right, thanks for the help. Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:48, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Karrde

 * See here for reply. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 07:22, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Inq meeting
There will be an Inq meeting on the 12th/13th at 0:00 UTC. Graestan ( Talk ) 03:30, 5 January 2008 (UTC)

KotOR question
Hi, Havac. Do you know if you can get the Circlet of Saresh over X-box Live? And is going to Exar Kun's tomb one of the few things that got cut by Bioware? Leave me a message on my talk page.--Jedi Kasra 23:53, 10 January 2008 (UTC)

You're back!

 * *Dances jig and prepares for massively long FANs.* Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 06:46, 22 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Massively long? You don't know the half of it. Expect a top-fiver in Tycho. Havac 23:19, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

Talk page merges
Ughh... Hi, Havac. Is there any way, and can and should we, put the talk page. Talk:The Revanchist, in the Talk:Revan archives. Please leave me a message here. Thanks.--Jedi Kasra 03:36, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. That might be a better question for one of our more technically-minded admins, like Imperialles. Havac 03:41, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

The Manifesto

 * While I happen to agree with you completely, the manifesto might be seen as violating WP:NPA eight ways from Sunday. Of course, Mr. Karpyshyn isn't a contributor to my knowledge, but that doesn't mean we're given free rein to attack him. jSarek 18:40, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I shall take appropriate measures. Havac 20:39, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

WotM
Congrats, Havac! Your hard work and dedication is much appreciated!  Master Aban Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 20:01, 1 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Congratulations Havac. --Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 20:44, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Inq meeting
There will be an Inq meeting on the 23rd/24th at 0:00 UTC. Graestan ( Talk ) 11:09, 13 February 2008 (EST)

Wookieequote
Hello Havac! Excellent work you've been doing on the various quote pages for your Featured Article nominations. Perhaps you would consider to join the Wookieequote WookieeProject? If so please do not hesitate to sign up on the project page! All the best, Goodwood   ( Alliance Intelligence ) 02:31, 17 February 2008 (UTC)

Celchu SWE
Use anything, or nothing: "A superior pilot, he was a graduate of the Imperial Naval Academy and served as a TIE fighter pilot. But after his homeworld of Alderaan was coldbloodedly destroyed by the first Death Star, the brown-haired, blue-eyed Tycho Celchu switched sides. He quickly became a member of the X-wing Rogue Squadron, participating in both the evacuation of Hoth and the Battle of Endor where, with his own ship out of commission, he flew an A-wing that lured Imperials away from Wedge Antilles and Lando Calrissian as they made a run at destroying the second Death Star. Celchu fought heroically at Bakura and later volunteered to fly a captured TIE fighter on a covert mission to Imperial Center, on Coruscant. He was captured and sent to the prison ship Lusankya before getting free. When he returned to Rogue Squadron, there were many who did not trust him, but his friend Antilles persevered until Celchu was named the squadron's Executive Officer in charge of training new recruits. Because the Rogues' mission on Coruscant had been compromised at least once, they knew there was an Imperil spy in their midst, and pilot Corran Horn suspected Captain Celchu. Shortly after confronting Celchu with his suspicions, Horn's Z-95 Headhunter was disabled and crashed. Captain Celchu was charged with treason and the murder of Corran Horn. During the trial, when things looked hopeless, Horn reappeared with information that not only acquitted Celchu, but restored Alliance trust in the captain."

Also, an entry for Skoloc Celchu: "Tycho Celchu's brother, he was killed when Alderaan was destroyed." Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:40, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Chak Fel
You are not allowed to do this. I have reverted your edits, and removed the FA status of Chak Fel. Please follow proper procedure for striking objections in the future. Thank you. --Imperialles 22:31, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

the the the the....
The idea when that CT thread was closed was actually that people should stop claiming that you could never ever say "the Millennium Falcon", even though references to that ship use the definite article the vast majority of times (and similarly with most other ships: Home One's the one exception I can think of offhand.) I think my latest edit to the MoS should reflect what was meant by the conclusion of that thread. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 04:32, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that looks fine to me. That's what I've been saying we should do anyway. Havac 04:51, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Crap. I messed up a photo upload.
Help me Havac, you are my only hope! I was uploaded a new face shot of Stazi for the Personality and traits section, but it somehow replaced the main Stazi pic from the cover of #21. Can you help me fix this? I am still learning the whole photo upload process. What I was trying to do was keep the old main pic while putting the new head shot down in the P&T section. I appreciate your help. AdmiralNick22 22:37, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Jerec powers
Okay, I get being defensive about the Jerec article's "Powers" section - after all the controversy, I would be too - but that power is clearly Destruction, not some kind of push. The JK manual (which I sited by the way) also mentions that Destruction has powerful knock back. Also, Dark Forces: Rebel Agent has that blast kill Rahn. There is no conflict regarding the power's effects: damage and knock back. See Talk:Force Destruction for more. (btw, I only reverted you once. I thought I had two more before banning was an option? I'm not being sarcastic here; I'm checking my knowledge of current policy). Din&#39;s Fire 997 03:39, 17 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not Destruction. It doesn't do any damage so far as we can tell. Conflating the two is fanon. Sure, it could be, but the evidence doesn't suggest it and there's no way to prove it, so we don't conflate the two. And while one or two reverts isn't grounds for a ban, if you'd kept going and edit warring, you would have been banned. So I issued the warning to cut that problem off right away. Havac 00:49, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter if it did damage or not. We can't tell, you said it yourself, but the fact that it was an energy blast, used by Jerec, with the same knockback effect as Destruction is as close to slid proof as is needed. What you're suggesting is like saying Desann never used Force lightning because it's never named directly. Heck, in-game, the Destruction animation even has that nifty little flash of light as seen in the Rahn scene. Either way, I'm going to edit the article to at least trim out the bit about the landing pad. Now that there's a source for kenetic pushback, that one really can't be contested. Din&#39;s Fire 997 01:38, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * You're really not learning, are you? Havac 01:53, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Evir Derricote
Hey, I've nominated Evir Derricote for an FA and so far I think the objections have been addressed, but it seems like not too many people are reading it. Maybe you could give it a look when you have time? --Colinmcev 04:21, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Mailing list
Hey, Havac. I've set up a private administrator mailing list to help coordinate the current administrators of the site, and I am attempting to contact each administrator to get them to subscribe. You can subscribe here. My point with setting up this mailing list to get all of the administrators of Wookieepedia operating on the same page, and in a more unified fashion. Regardless of any personal differences that may exist between some members, I still feel that it is important that we are all operating on the same level, with regards to knowledge of the site, and new/upcoming stuff that is going to happen&mdash;so, basically, this is an attempt to coordinate us all in an effort to help keep us on the same page with regards to new policies, new ideas, announcements, discussions, etc. In my opinion, we're all on the same team and this will only help us to be a more organized and cohesive working unit&mdash;even more so than we currently are. I've already spoken with a few admins via IRC, and they have liked my point of this whole thing, and have thus signed up&mdash;I would really appreciate it you could do likewise :) Any questions about this, you know where you can reach me. Cheers, Greyman  http://images.wikia.com/central/images/9/9c/Jan.png ( Talk ) 16:06, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

New email address
Greyman requested on your behalf a wookieepedia.com email address. No problem at all..all admins have access to one. I have sent him the login information to pass along to you, so please get with him about this. WhiteBoy 16:23, 28 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks. Havac 18:40, 28 March 2008 (UTC)

Inq meeting
Hey, just letting you know that Meeting Sixteen has now been scheduled. Your attendance and input would be appreciated. Cheers, Greyman  http://images.wikia.com/central/images/9/9c/Jan.png ( Talk ) 04:05, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Gilad Pellaeon

 * Hi Havac I'm Darth Revanon and I have a question about what you did on Gilad Pellaeons page. The reason I deleted the part at Fondor was because he didn't die on Fondor. So what I did just now was after death instead of saying Death at Fondor, I put Death on the Bloodfin and I was wondering if that was ok?--Darth Revanon 9:57, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * He was at Fondor as in over Fondor, in the battle of Fondor. He was in Fondor space. Havac 02:27, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh yea that is correct. Im sorry for the mistake.--Darth Revanon 1:32, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No problem. Havac 05:47, 13 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Hi Havac its me Darth Revanon again. I was wondering why you banned me from Wookieepedia for speculatory changes when those characters i added Invincible were in the Dramatis Personae which means those characters are going to be in the book??--Darth Revanon 1:00, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Wizards Citation question

 * Havac, I can't get on IRC at the moment, but I was wondering if you knew if we counted articles like this:, which only discusses Luke in the sense of gameplay, as a source. Thanks. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 23:17, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I think we do, though I'm not sure. Havac 23:19, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Amelia to Allana

 * Hi, can you please move the Amelia article back to Allana? One of the users moved it without discussing it. We took a vote and decided that it should be moved back to Allana.Darth Solus 02:56, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

GAN
Hey. Just to let you know, I've removed the distorted picture from Q-series droideka. Thanks, -- Joe Butler (Obi Maul12)  (Chow) 15:43, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Fantastic. Go ahead and strike that for me, as I'm currently unable to log in and the GAN page is anon-protected. Point out this talk page in the edit summary. Havac 04:09, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

Sig
My username is Rushin Sundaws...should I just not put a space in between or what...I'm so confused. Rushin Sundaws 11:56, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

FAN objections.
Thanks for the notes; I've stricken all of my outstanding objections. 02:52, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Userpage
Hey, Hav. Just letting you know that your userpage was part of a mass-site edit to correct some links. I thought I'd tell you, in case you had any questions about my name in your userpage history. Cheers, Greyman ( Talk ) 19:49, 24 June 2008 (UTC)