Talk:Luke Skywalker/Archive6

Luke Skywalker as the Monomyth Hero and Hero's Journey
I believe these sections need to be condensed. It's interesting that the Luke Skywalker story relates to these, but the interpretation has to be removed. It's unofficial as far as I know, and the author has decided himself where to relate each event. Case in point: Extraordinary hilltop death—The death of Luuke (Luke's clone) on Mt. Tantiss. The extraordinary hilltop death could be related to many things, this is just the author's interpretation. Also The Belly of the Whale — Luke leaves Tatooine on the Millennium Falcon, which is subsequently captured by the Death Star. This too is the author's opinion of where it fits. I think the links should be left in, but the interpretation of what fits where needs to be removed so that the reader can make the relation themselves. That or the section needs to be rewritten to show that it's only meant as an example. Cull Tremayne 19:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 05:45, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's been over a month. I'm removing the references and shortening the interpretation presented. Cull Tremayne 04:07, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I've located a better link for "Fitzroy Raglan" -- more properly, "Fitzroy Somerset, Fourth Baron Raglan". Also, I've consolidated the information and deleted the reference to the fulfillment of "only three fourths" of the Hero Cycle and the continuation thereof "primarily in the Thrawn Trilogy" -- which, as you gentlemen noted, is too subjective a claim. Many interpreters argue that Luke's cycle of heroic transformation ended with the death of his father. Of course, neither claim is objectively verifiable, per se.Grand Admiral Sean8 22:02, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Could someone verify the steps of the Hero's Cycle? I checked Wikipedia and counted only seventeen (twenty with the subheadings). Also, because John Cambell's interpretation of the archetypical hero is somewhat at odds with Somerset's, I've deleted the reference to Cambell "refining" and republishing Somerset's work. Probably a mean distinction of semantics; still, for the sake of clarity, we need to differentiate between the two.Grand Admiral Sean8 22:02, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Training Luke
Obi-Wan didn't train Luke on Tattoine it's fairly obvious from Owen Lars' attitude towards Kenobi in the film that he didn't want the old man anywhere near Luke, didn't want to risk the boy ending up like his father.

So Obi-Wan resigned himself to simply watch over the boy from afar and protect him rather than taking a more active role in his training early on.

Did Luke use Force Cloak/Invisibility during his duel with Vader?
Having just seen the Ep. 6 saber duel again, I came to wonder about something. Luke hides under the platform to the emeprors throne in spite of the area being quite open and well lit. The only hiding place is behind those black pillars or hatever they are, but there is a small space between the floor and the "pillar", and no pillar showed Luke's feet. Unless Vaders mask makes him blind, he should have spotted him easily.

What I'm getting at here is: Did Luke perhaps use the Force to hide himself from Vader, not only his thoughts, but himself as well? Sure we see Lukes face in one scene, but Obi-Wan was visible while sneaking past the Stormtroopers on the Death Star, so Cloak users not being invisible to the audience is nothing new. Do the novelizations speak of this at all? It might just be a theory, but really, if we do not interpret what we see on screen, how can we ever make statements about canon from a movie? Lucas intended something with that scene, so Luke suddenly springing out, nowhere near a conceivable hiding place should be seriously considered.DarthMRN 14:20, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm... that sounds like a pretty good theory. That's why Vader couldn't pick out the sister thing right away. As for the visible face, thats probably just something for the audience, to tell them where Luke is. As for references, though, none cross my mind at the moment. But, in FoC, Luke has the ability; whether this is game mechanics or a reference to RotJ, I don't know. Jorrel Fraajic 17:24, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say it's worth a mention in BTS. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 05:52, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Well, you have made a very good discussion, he might have, but in my opinion, he actually didn't have such ability, or else George Lucase just misshot this part, it wouldn't have been built that way, I think--Master Chief Petty Officer 10:30, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's why it goes in BTS, rather than in the main article. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 22:35, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

DarthMRN, regarding your question about the novel. In the novel, Vader doesn't even enter the overhang, unwilling to give Luke the advantage. He simply patrols the edge of it while provoking Luke. Darth Vatrir

First Lightsaber
Currently it states that Anakin gave Obi-wan the lightsaber, which is what he tells Luke upon that fatefull day, but, as we saw in Ep. III, thats not the case. Didnt want to change it myself, because, lets be honest, this is a major artical and people can be very very pissy at times.Fuzzyjedi

or, im just stupid and misread the page...dammitFuzzyjedi


 * It happens. Lol. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 05:19, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

No, it was mention in the book, but was it to be dishonest, I mean, you didn't saw Obi Wan took the lightsaber from Anakin, and didn't Vader recgonized his previous lightsaber? --Master Chief Petty Officer 10:27, 10 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Vader never sees his old lightsaber until he battles Luke in ESB. Will (Talk - contribs) 20:12, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's Splinter in which he sees the sabre again. .  .  .  .  07:17, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * But didn't Luke have it dangling from his belt in ANH? 15:05, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * But Vader doesn't get all that close to Luke in ANH to recognize the saber. And lets not forget that a lot of padawans, when building their first saber style the hilt to resemble their masters' blades, so there are a lot of lookalike lightsabers out there.Tocneppil 22:27, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * But the saber Anakin uses in ROTS doesn't look like the same saber that Kenobi gives luke. It looks more like a silver version of his vader saber.

When and how did Luke become a Jedi Master?
When and how did Luke become a Jedi Master? Having not read the comics, I only know he showed up as a master in I, Jedi and Jedi Search. -Will Pittenger 22:30, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe this happened way back in the Thrawn Trilogy, but I could be wrong. Commander  Jorrel   Fraajic [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Communications Relay  23:12, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Luke doesn't really declare himself a Jedi Master until Jedi Search when he starts to build the New Order. Certainly he faced down Palps (again) before then. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 07:05, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

It wasn't the Thrawn trilogy. And he just shows up in Jedi Search already a Master. So, I have to rule out both theories. -Will Pittenger 20:10, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It is the events of Dark Empire that lead Luke to declare himself a full, bonafide Jedi Master. QuentinGeorge 22:54, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Is the event in the comic? If so, I think it should be listed as such with citation in the article. Now, is the comic available in book form? Will (Talk - contribs) 04:00, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I could be wrong, but I believe that it is in Jedi Search that Luke declares himself a master based on his experiences in Dark Empire. Not too modest, eh? .  .  .  .  07:15, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Luke force storm
the blackhole things he makes in the Yuuzhan Vong War is that the same thing as force storm of darth sidous and if not why don't we have a power page for it?
 * No. Luke is overloading the power of a dovin basal and turning it against the ship it's on. Uhh. . . I dunno on the second question. We probably should. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 22:06, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Marriage Pic
Why does everyone insist on using this pic for Luke's marriage, the picture isn't that great and we have access to one that looks a lot better and is still canon. Darth Vatrir
 * Personally I think both are ok. Although in the one on the left, Luke's mullet kind of grosses me out.  - breathesgelatin Talk 22:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, that second image isn't even a marriage pic. It's just Luke and Mara kissing in Mara's apartment. So, it shouldn't be used to represent the two getting married. Cull Tremayne 22:51, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * A larger version was uploaded. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jainasolosig.gif |25px]] 23:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Vatrir, quit changing the pic. It's not a pic of them getting married, so the vote is really null at this point. If you find another image that represents the two getting married, then we can have a re-vote. At the moment, we're voting between an image that is them getting married and another that isn't. So sorry, but that image that isn't them getting married is inaccurate and can't win. Cull Tremayne 11:12, 19 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with you, Cull Tremayne. Rayman 05:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The second one is awesome. The first one looks weird and Luke doesn't look like himself. JediSeven 10:54, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The second one isn't showing them getting married, so it shouldn't be used on the page. Rayman 10:00, 3 May 2007 (UTC)

Marriage Pic VOTE
I say we hold a vote. Darth Vatrir

Image 1

 * 1) Cull Tremayne 22:53, 10 February 2007 (UTC) -- Only because the second image isn't the two getting married.
 * 2) Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jainasolosig.gif |25px]] 23:56, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Per Cull Tremayne, not to mention that IMO, Image 2 looks like it was drawn by a ten-year-old. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  00:13, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Jedinite 21:50 8 March, 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Evir Daal 08:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Rayman 11:28, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Image 2

 * 1) Darth Vatrir
 * 2) Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 05:44, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Leader 23:58, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 23:59, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) In this one they don't look so ambivalent Enochf 09:53, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Josh 22:45, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) CooperTFN 22:43, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) JediSeven 10:41, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Unit 8311 14:55, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Teris Shae 19:24, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) LukeSkywalker 2:44, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Bloodstripes?
Anyone else wondering if those are second-class bloodstripes Luke's wearing on his trousers during the award ceremony at the end of ANH?Tocneppil 22:39, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I've also wondered that. Han let Luke borrow a pair of his pants? All he had were those farming slacks from Tatooine. Someone must have given him the pants for the ceremony. Cull Tremayne 20:58, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I've always wondered what those were and now that you bring that to my attention they do look just like Han's.Josh 22:47, 30 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that makes sense -the black shirt and jacket were probably Han's as well; too 'showy' for a military dress uniform.Tocneppil 23:41, 14 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Its Han Skywalker!! (: JediSeven 10:56, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks like Luke stole Han's pants! LukeSkywalker 2:46, 29 April 2007 (UTC)

Prophecy...
Accordin´ the Bodo Bass prophecy´s, says who the Skywalker Brother´s, and my question is, This prophecy is relationed directly or indeirectly with the Choosen One porphecy*


 * Excuse me, my english is very accidently...

MTFBWUA. Starkiller1996 Adidas F50+ (UTC)
 * Sorry, but I have no idea what you just asked. Cull Tremayne 22:50, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You might want to try Inflatable Forklifts. .  .  .  .  01:38, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * If I got you right, you meant the prophecy in Dark Empire, is that correct? That one was about Luke and Leia, not Anakin, at least as far as I know. Evir Daal 08:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

The test of Endor
In the section named "The Test of Endor", there is a pic of Luke from ROTJ, with the subtitle that says he is a Jedi Knight in 4 BBY. Shouldn't that be dated 4 ABY?
 * Defintitely. In 4 BBY, Luke was still on Tatooine and wasn't even in the Rebel Alliance! JediSeven 10:59, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * wow thats sad Clonetroop125 23:05, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Missing information
Where has all the information on Luke's life between the Battle of Endor and the start of the Yuuzhan Vong War disappeared? And how come no one has noticed it's gone? I went through some of the old revisions, but couldn't pinpoint the unvandalized version of the biography. (I wasn't looking too hard though.) --Tinwe 12:50, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I can't believe nobody noticed all that was gone. I found the last update that contained all the missing information and reverted the page back to that version. Good catch. - JMAS 13:11, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * And as a side note, I don't believe it was vandalism. It appeared to have been done by Jaina Solo and I think it was accidental. She likely didn't realize it happened. - JMAS 13:19, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
 * So that's why I didn't find the right revision. It didn't even cross my mind that Jaina Solo could have had something to do with the mysteriously vanished information. Well, we all make mistakes sometimes. :P Good to see it's fixed now. --Tinwe 11:57, 20 April 2007 (UTC)

Please, could someone renew that huge missing part of text considering prsonality and traits, talents, lightsabers, romances and behind the scenes? I tried it myself, but although the missing information are visible in the source, they do not appear in the article. Thanks. Darth Paulus 23:20, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Lukes Lightsaber Talents
From the "Talents"-Section: "Luke Skywalker's use of Form V is probably as much instinctive as trained. On Bespin, Luke revealed that he was an extraordinarily gifted duelist after only one brief session with Obi-Wan Kenobi and a short time of study with Yoda." I think one should note that Vader did't want to kill Luke. So you really can't say his skills are as good as Vader's. But he definitely must have improved his skills between TESB and ROTJ, so he could defeat Vader.--TeakHoken91.7.18.107 12:14, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Award?
What Award was it that Luke was granted at the end of "A New Hope" I can't find it in the artical 70.152.25.59 02:38, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It was the Medal of Bravery. But yeah, it wasn't in the article, and was hard to track down. -LtNOWIS 02:44, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Added it DX-2052 03:24, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Count the Seconds
Luke Skywalker is 31 seconds older than his sister. I was bored so I timed it. Karohalva 00:14, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Hair Color
Sometimes his hair looks brown, sometime blonde, sometimes dark blonde, blah blah blah. What do you think the canocial color should be ? JediSeven 11:02, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe it to be sandy blonde. - JMAS 00:28, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * New Essential Guide to Characters: Blonde. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 00:29, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That works. Did ya change it in his infobox? Or should I? - JMAS 00:32, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, I got it. - JMAS 00:34, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Brown, Brown, his hair is Brown!!!! Take a look at the trilogy over again, especially Episodes V and VI
 * Don't forget he spent his early years in a desert environment under twin suns -'sun-bleached' anyone?- and this would explain why three years later in Ep.V his hair is brown.Tocneppil 06:28, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

more missing info
I was reading through this article and wondering why the information on his life seemed so short from Episode IV to Episode VI. I realized that the stuff on his exploits from the Battle of Yavin to the Battle of Hoth was missing.

I decided to begin writing more when I saw that it is all visible on the edit page. I believe the problem is with the sourcing script, as it is at the begining of the missing info as well as the end. I am unfamiliar with this script at the moment, so if someone who knows what they are doing could fix that, the article would be much improved...Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 18:12, 25 April 2005 (UTC)
 * Fixed. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 15:33, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Time of Death
is the aproxamation really needed? anyone with half a brain knows that no one from thc Rebellion-New Jedi Order era is going to live for 200 into the legacy era (unless they clone them self or use Sith alchemy, both things Luke wouldn't do) unless they belong to a species that has a long life span (and we all know Luke is Human) unless the death is stated not to be of old age (and even then it would warrent something more along the lines of "Unknown-not natural causes".70.152.25.59 05:14, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

Categories

 * Category:Jedi Guardians should be added to Anakin's page. Category:Jedi individuals should be added as well. Mrobviousjosh 02:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Etymology of "Luke"
The name "Lucas" is Greek ("Loukas"), not Hebrew, with a corresponding Latin cognate "Lucius". (I should know, my name is Luke -- and my parents swear I was named after the Gospel of Luke, though I was born in 1978.) And if I remember correctly, Mark (Marcus) is Greek/Latin too. Whoever wrote that might have been confused, since many of the other names in the Bible (John, Jonathan, Matthew, Issac, Joseph) are from the Hebrew (spelling is probably wrong, but here's my best try: Yahchannon, Yonatan, Matthan, Yitzhak, Yahseph). An easy mistake to make, but needs better facts. --71.38.211.253 05:15, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Dark Lord?
There are strong indications that Luke was a Dark Lord, or at least a Sith Lord, while he served the reborn Palpatine. In Dark Empire, Luke was the Emperor's apprentice and Supreme Commander of the Empire. He created Sentinels and, most importantly, was addressed as "Lord Skywalker" by the Imperial officers. Anyone who's got any thoughts? Should I go ahead and add him to those categories? Evir Daal 09:41, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * True, but he didn't get a Sith name. Palapatine calls him a dark Jedi in DE. -Fnlayson 14:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * There's nothing to say he didn't. No one ever called, say, Palpy Sidious in official contexts. Also, others such as Exar Kun kept their old names, but he was undisputedly a Dark Lord of the Sith. In Luke's case the Lord title strongly implies Sith rank. And other Dark Lords have also been called Dark Jedi. Evir Daal 06:50, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * An Imp officer calling him "Lord Skywalker" may not mean much though. They could just be referring to him like they did to Darth Vader.  If someone had called him "Dark Lord" or "Sith Lord", sure. -Fnlayson 14:36, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Wasn't Vader Lord Vader because he was a Dark Lord? Evir Daal 10:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes. Doesn't really matter since this is still speculation. -Fnlayson 02:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't call it speculation, more like conjecture. What other reasons would there have been to address him as Lord Skywalker? Evir Daal 07:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Pablo Hidalgo confirmed on the OS Q & A that Luke was not a Sith Lord. QuentinGeorge 02:08, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh. OK, then. Sorry to have wasted everyone's time. Evir Daal 07:01, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not a waste of time to genuinely seek to better an article. You asked a legitimate question and you've received a legitimate answer.  Behold the power of communication. --School of Thrawn 101 07:04, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's nothing, really, more like I'm feeling I should have checked beforehand. Maybe I came across as a little too sorry. But thanks anyway. Evir Daal 07:10, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

Luke's second lightsaber
Does anyone have any info to add to the lightsaber section about the saber Luke uses in the post-ESB pre-ROTJ issues of the Marvel series? He evidently had another saber he got somewhere before he built the green ROTJ one. Maybe I should write Abel Pena and see about a retcon.... AwesomeCrom 01:21, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There are several fan theories floating about, including the idea he took Baron Tagge's saber after their battle just prior to ESB. However, none of them are canon, and so there's nothing at this point concrete for us to add. jSarek 01:47, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

New Infobox
If you go to the Revan and Jedi Exile pages, there are infoboxes called "Companions of Revan" or "Companions of the Jedi Exile". I think Luke needs to have that on his page too. Start with his friends on Tatooine, and then Leia, Han, and Wedge Antilles for starters. Jediknight19bby 14:08, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Luke Starkiller
In an interview on Where are they Now an Australian TV show Mark Hamill stated that his characters name was orginaly Luke Starkiller but was changed after they shot Leia's cell scene due too some killing that had happened. -- Awar 02:21, 11 June 2007 (UTC).
 * Just added it, I thought it was a script change. --Katana Geldar 01:19, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Discover the icy world of Hoth
In the article it says this below then a little latter on it says the second paragraph so which is it?

While on a scouting mission, Skywalker's vessel was caught in the hyperwash of a transdimensional comet, depositing him onto a barren ice world Hoth. Skywalker returned to the Alliance, informed his superiors of the isolated world, and the Rebel Alliance planned to evacuate their outposts on Yavin 4 and Thila to set up a base on Hoth.

Afterwards, Luke would serve in many Rebel operations, and would soon discover the icy world of Hoth, which the rebels chose as the location of their next base. Lord Titze 17:53, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, both are correct. The more detailed discription is based on one of the old newspaper strips, subsequently collected in Escape to Hoth.Tocneppil 04:05, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Lightsaber form
What is the evidence for Luke being a master of Djem So? I know he imitates his father's style in ROTJ, but the description of his bladework in The Unifying Force matches descriptions of Vaapad, and in the Dark Nest trilogy he expresses his distate for physically powerful men like who think their strength is the answer to every problem, which is essentially what Djem So relies on. Meatbag47 12:56, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Fightsaber is the source for Luke's form. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 00:05, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

Luke's talents?
Where did the list of Luke's Talents go? It was one of my favorite parts of the article.

I was wondering the same thing. It was pretty helpful and informative --Jacenskylo 05:55, 5 July 2007 (UTC)

I feel the same I was one of the best parts of the page, please bring it back74.128.218.114 04:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)tonyman1989


 * Probably a sourcing error. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 00:01, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I fixed it. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 13:37, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Scrollbox
Isn't it policy that reference lists exceeding 15 names is supposed to be embedded in scrollboxes? If so, Luke could certainly use one. DarthMRN 13:17, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Discovery of Hoth
I just noticed that, under the Hero of the Rebellion section, the discovery of Hoth is mentioned twice. I must admit, the chronology of those early events are a bit foggy to me. Could someone check it out and delete the mention that's in the wrong chronological spot? Dewback rancher 02:13, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

I posted the same question a few sections up. Lord Titze 02:39, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Is luke a Jedi Guardian
I thought he was Jedi Consular because he is so powerful with the force and his lightsaber abilities are not as great compared to other jedi. I thought he was like yoda a Consular but still the greatest lightsaber duelest of his time. are there any sources?Tonyman1989 16:57, 16 July 2007 (UTC)tonyman1989
 * I'm not certain the KOTOR class system applies to Luke. --School of Thrawn 101 05:40, 17 July 2007 (UTC)


 * He;s listed in the guaardian section but I can't find the source, is it a mistake?74.128.218.114 15:46, 17 July 2007 (UTC)tonyman1989

Well, Yoda's a Jedi Counsular, but he was one of- if not THE- greatest swordsmen in the Order- contrary to his class, no? I don't think that Luke's exceptional Force strength should instantly mean he's not a Guardian. That said, I'll look for sources, and ask if anyone with any of the SWRPG guidebooks or the Force guide to look it up- it's likely in one of those if anywhere, and it's those I don't have access to. Dewback rancher 00:22, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

"Well, Yoda's a Jedi Counsular, but he was one of- if not THE- greatest swordsmen in the Order- contrary to his class, no?" Dewback Rancher Quote In KotOR II Kreia says that jedi in that time were like little childern with toys so their was (very impobable though) someone better then him. Lord Titze 02:44, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * In-universe, I don't think the Jedi Guardian title was even used in the modern era. -LtNOWIS 03:26, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Let me repeat what I said here: "Here's the thing - in the KOTOR era it's canon that there is a legitimate in-universe Guardian/Consular/Sentinel distinction, but by the time of the Prequels and onward, the distinction is solely one of game mechanics.  There *aren't* specific 'branches' of the Jedi Order that direct you on either Force-oriented or combat-oriented paths.  ALL Jedi are supposed to be able to skillfully wield the Force and defend the weak and innocent; any particular flair a given Jedi has for one or the other is an individual idiosyncrasy, not something dictated by their enrollment in the Jedi Consular Class or the Jedi Guardian Class . . . Thankfully, with the new Saga Edition rules, there is no longer this distinction - there is only one Jedi core class, with talent Guardian, Consular, and Sentinel talent trees that are NOT mutually exclusive to one another." jSarek 03:49, 18 July 2007 (UTC)

Simple Tricks

 * Near the end of Simple Tricks (11 ABY post-Jedi Academy Trilogy) Tionne tell Kyp Durron that Skywalker has been injured. He's being brought back to Yavin 4 with a "Corellian freighter" and "space yacht" which sounds like the Millennium Falcon and Calrissian or Jade's ship. Is this a reference to another story or is it an unexplored event? I can't tell going through the page.  Vetinari (Appointment) 02:23, 29 July 2007 (UTC)