Talk:Darth Bane/Legends

Hey, I saved the Darth Bane article from my site. It has a few bits and pieces that aren't in this one. I saved it here: User:Beeurd/Bane If someone else wants incorporate the missing infor into the current article that'd be great. I'd rather not do it myself because I just know I'll over-edit it and end up changing must of the article with my own stuff. Or, I could just go ahead.... ? --Beeurd 22:14, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

I'd do it - but I wrote the original article, so I'd be biased the other way. QuentinGeorge 22:55, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

lol, well lets see if anyone picks up the challenge and if not we'll try work something out. =)--Beeurd 23:27, 13 May 2005 (UTC)

Okay, I'm gonna go ahead. I'll to change as little as possible. --Beeurd 18:13, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Why was the other picture removed? It shows Bane before the orbalisks, and, if anything, both should be in the article. QuentinGeorge 05:33, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Who created Darth Bane?
I'd just like to knew.Thanks. where is the source for the jedi discovering bane and his order? DarthMalus
 * Believe it or not, George Lucas did. Terry Brooks, Kevin J. Anderson and Darko Macan expanded on Lucas' brief outline. QuentinGeorge 05:09, 17 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm, we need a Behind the Scenes section with this info (and more if available), I hadn't realised that myself. --beeurd 16:56, 18 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Lucas invented the name. It's unlikely that this character matches what he had in mind.
 * Actually, Lucas gave Brooks a brief outline of the character's personality. QuentinGeorge 22:04, 18 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * The fact that Yoda knows that there are always two. .  .  .  .  08:12, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Evil Never Dies, an article by continuity god Abel Peña. Havac 08:20, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

Who is Darth Bane's master?
seriously who is it. I think it's Darth Quordis is that right?---Jack Colton
 * It says Qordis in the article. Also, it's not Darth Qordis, just Qordis. -- SFH 02:27, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Oh sorry I guess I some how skipped that paragraph. Thanks though I was having this big argument with my friend and you tottaly cleared it up. Thanks--Jack Colton

Image
I changed the main image to the picture of Bane in his armor, I thought the other one made him look like a toad.--Rodtheanimegod4ever He still looks like a to-oad... The one with the armor seems to be the better-quality image. I wanted good quality on something that might be the Featured Article--Rodtheanimegod4ever Okay, I put it back :). User:Rodtheanimegod4ever
 * And I changed it back. A picture of him with his face exposed is better than one where his face is conceal--DannyBoy7783 00:29, 8 April 2006 (UTC)ed. --Imp 02:00, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Whether he looks like a toad is irrelevant. It provides a better view of his face. Plus, the other one looks like he's wearing a flower pot. QuentinGeorge 02:25, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Point taken.
 * Well, Dark Lords have never been known to be pleasing to look at. I guess Bane just doesn't photograph well. -- SFH 02:46, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I put it back up there but don't fret. The one that shows his toad-face is where the other one used to be, with a cool caption, too--Rodtheanimegod4ever
 * Please don't do that again. The current one is actually a far higher quality image than the poorly cut out scan from the NEGTC. QuentinGeorge 05:57, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I changed the main image because the image that was there before is oddly done and is not reflective of the character in the comics. He looks much different in the actual comic book compared to the cover image of that one issue. If anyone takes issue with what I replaced it with please discuss it here so we don't have an edit war or something. I think an agreeable solution can be reached if anyone has a problem with the one I chose.--DannyBoy7783 23:31, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I have reverted the page. Please don't replace images like that. The original was a canon image and hence I can see no reason to change it, except that you don't like it. QuentinGeorge 05:32, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I like the issue covers better, anyways; the fact that they're usually more detailed makes me think that it's a more accurate image of the things they're representing. Especially in the TOTJ comics, although that's neither here nor there. Kuralyov 05:34, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Bane 15.jpg|thumb|right|New Image]]
 * Here's DannyBoy's new image. For what it's worth, I don't think it's a very good shot of Bane, and the nameless guy in the background is a little distracting. QuentinGeorge 05:35, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

All the images here are canon quentin. It's not an issue of canon. It's an issue of what portrays the character best. That cover image makes him look strange. His face looks odd and he doesn't look like that IN the entire comic series of Jedi vs Sith. It's hard to find a good image of him in the comic that isn't obscured by text bubbles or other characters. Is it better to use that cover image or an image that actually portrays what he looked like? I say the latter. I didn't say that my image was the best which is why I said it should be discussed. I was skimming through the comics trying to find a good image. Also, the guy cowering may be distracting but it's also a testament to Bane's character. Quentin: I'm going to replace images that aren't representative of the character. If that bothers you I'm sorry but I'm trying to make the article as best as it can be. And Kuralyov: That cover image isn't anymore detailed than the comic image. While I don't disagree that cover images are usually more detailked in this case there is little difference in the level of detail besides some shading differences due to the different artists' style. Also, for anyone who is curious, I didn't cut off Bane in that image, that is how the comic panel is layed out.--DannyBoy7783 17:27, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The image is growing on me the more I see it but I still would prefer one from the comic, not the comic cover. The only comic image in the article isn't that great (though it is important because it shows when he met Zannah). Perhaps the image I uploaded can be incorporated in the article elsewhere?--DannyBoy7783 17:48, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's any need for another image. The article is fine. QuentinGeorge 20:00, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I would have to oppose this image as well. He might not look like a toad or a flower pot, but he does look a little like Apocalypse. -- SFH 20:18, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you are misunderstanding me Quentin. I'm not just asking you. I'm asking everyone. It's fine that you think the page is ok the way it is but I disagree and I'd like to have some discussion on this.--DannyBoy7783 14:17, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * That last comment was a little inflammatory and I apologize. No one seems to agree with me at the moment so I'll let it rest for now.--DannyBoy7783 15:50, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * New image of Bane available, as the cover of Path of Destruction features a full size image of his face....
 * Decent enough image. Darth Bane: Path of Destruction, A Novel of the Old Republic. It would be better if it was just the cover art without the book title and stuff. I still don't like what we have now (I'm just throwing that out there) --DannyBoy7783 00:29, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Holy hell! That is one ugly image! Bane looks like a freaking mime! Please don't replace toad-face with mime-face!Cull Tremayne 06:14, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * the Path of Destruction image should be cropped and used instead.
 * Can we please get the original image back. The book cover is terrible, and looks more like a fey poseur than a muscled ex-miner. QuentinGeorge 11:47, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Dessel
So I suppose we should move this to Dessel, no? --Imp 06:42, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * No. He was known as Darth Bane for most of his life and he abandoned the name Dessel. See -> Darth Zannah, Darth Millennial, Darth Maul, Darth Plagueis etc. QuentinGeorge 06:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * With Millennial, Maul, and Plaguies, we don't know their real names (though Maul's name may well have been Darth Maul). So really, those are just placeholders until&mdash;or more accurately if&mdash;we learn their real names. As for Darth Zannah...well, that was before I found this site, so I don't know what was going on there. Never the less, I think Imp has a point. I don't like moving it to Dessel anymore than the rest of you, but it is the established precedent and pattern that we have adopted. -- SFH 00:46, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Established policy is that it belongs at the most accurate version of the last name they held. Dessel abandoned his original name and became Darth Bane - unlike Thrawn, who merely used an alias. QuentinGeorge 05:27, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Then why are Grievous and the Dark Woman at Qymaen jai Sheelal and An'ya Kuro? I'm not trying to pick a fight here, Quentin. I just don't understand the differences. -- SFH 19:31, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The Dark Woman is an alias. As for Sheelal, he should probably be at Grievous, since even the article seems to indicate he changed his name. QuentinGeorge 19:53, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The name the character was first known by, mostly known by should in fact always be what the article is titled.

Death
How exactly did Bane die? The article doesn't even say if he died or not. What happened to him after the Jedi learned about the new Sith Lords?
 * Anything that happened to him following Jedi vs. Sith / Bane of the Sith is pretty much a mystery. --MarcK [talk] 12:48, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well either the jedi killed him or Zannah killed him. Betraying Bane to the Jedi, there's numerous events, but we dont know. Though how would you expect?

Bane's Lightsaber?

 * Are we sure that the crimson lightsaber in Jedi VS Sith #1 (i.e. the picture in the article BTS section) is Bane's? It contradicts the famous Jedi VS Sith Cover, The New Essential Guide to Character's picture, and Bane of the Sith's picture. All the others are purple blade, and why would Bane left his lightsaber somewhere that can be pick up by kids? Darth Kevinmhk 11:31, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It's assumed it's Bane's. And regardless, it certainly becomes his at that point, and he carries it throughout Jedi vs Sith. Also, comic covers are non-canon, and I believe what is depicted in in-universe material (i.e. comics) trumps essential guide art - Kwenn 21:32, 3 April 2006 (UTC)
 * We still got Bane of the Sith story picture as canonical lightsaber appearance Darth Kevinmhk 06:21, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Lightsabers change in comic/cover art all the time. I wouldn't concern yourself too much with it....but it's likely that Bane's saber is red, and the purple is a colouring stuff up. QuentinGeorge 06:36, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Just try to keep article info as canonical as possible, never mind! Darth Kevinmhk 07:01, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * his saber was purple. Purple rules! but where did he get the purple crystal? was it the one Qordis gave him?

Cyborg?
Is Bane a cyborg? Or are we counting the addition of Orbalisk armor as a sort of technology grafting? Cull Tremayne 06:14, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say no...as the orbalisks are actually symbiotic lifeforms, not android or synthetic technology. QuentinGeorge 06:17, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Any objections on removing the Cyborg category then? Unless there some sort of other cybernetic alteration on Bane. Cull Tremayne 06:33, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * No objection, Bane is not a cyborg. Darth Kevinmhk 11:57, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

New Book on Darth Bane

 * To be released October 2006


 * Check out Darth Bane: Path of Destruction


 * Check out Star Wars: Darth Bane: Path of Destruction

Images
Someone removed several images that I felt helped the article, now we are short.

Main Image
I have nothing against the main image, but I'm wondering if there's anyway we could get a better quality of that image? Perhaps someone with the book could scan the cover, or something...--Sauron18 23:46, 1 October 2006 (UTC) I wish they'd just create a picture that didn't make him look like:
 * That's what we have right now. -  Angel Blue [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]](Holonet) 23:48, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I know, which is why I'm asking of anyone who has the book if they could scan a better version of the image...--Sauron18 23:50, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, a higher quality scan would be nice, but can I say that Bane looks like a genetically deformed mime in that picture? What's with the eye make up, and the eyes that are at an almost 45 degree angle? I say put back the original pic, as the book cover picture reflects his ascension to Dark Lord, while the Jedi vs. Sith picture shows him right before he starts his Rule of Two. Don't most recent images (IU) receive precedent? And once again because Bane looks stupid and not threatening at all in that picture. Cull Tremayne 20:38, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd have to say he looks rather stupid in both of them. Bane isn't exactly one of those Sith who look like they can count...--Sauron18 01:07, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) An idiotic thug
 * 2) A mime artist

The comics go for the first extreme, Path of Destruction for the latter.(Ulicus 23:09, 6 October 2006 (UTC))


 * Oh, come on. Stop whining.  This is still very good art, and according to both sources we have he was well muscled and looked like- well, a thug.  Size and expression doesn't really indicate intelligence, which he had plenty of.  As for the mime thing, in my opinion it's only the makeup and doesn't really matter that much.  I mean- other than that, I pictured him that way in my head.  Since the book cover is better and less cartoony, we should have that as the main image and keep it however it is now with the other pictures.  As for the Orbalisk armor picture, that looks stupid.  He is purple for Pete's sake!  Sorry if I went off topic.-Vladius Magnum 15:30, 3 November 2006

Quotes
Someone should add some quotes in from the book path of destruction. Nice dude
 * Done. (Ulicus 22:11, 6 October 2006 (UTC))

Height
Doesn't Bane tell the Republicans that he's exactly "two metres even" in Path of Destruction?(Ulicus 21:46, 6 October 2006 (UTC)) yeah
 * NEGTC gives "1.9 m", indicating Bane is most likely rounding up for effect. Course, there's also the point that an individual's height changes over periods (and, sometimes in a single day). For all intents and purposes he's between 1.9 and 2 m. I'd be more inclined to trust an exact figure rather than a quote, I know I've quoted my height to people as various figures in a range of 10 cm or so. QuentinGeorge 11:46, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Fair enough, thought it was worth asking anyway.(Ulicus 01:22, 8 October 2006 (UTC))

Talents?
should a telents section be added ? Jedi Dude 10:30, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Cleanup

 * There are spelling errors and tense problems all through this article. Can someone please do a cleanup? I'd do it myself, but I've only skimmed the article since I don't own the book yet and don't want to be too spoiled. QuentinGeorge 10:23, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I've tagged this article for both cleanups. Please do not remove this tags unless you do so. QuentinGeorge 10:27, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I was planning on going through this article at some point (parts of it anyway), as it needs a fair bit of expansion and cleanup. I've expanded the "Early Life" section a little bit, though it's by no means finished (needs to mention Gerd's attack, the Sabaac game and Bane's flight from Apatros), and I'll try to go through/over more of it later... unfortunately, Uni is a harsh mistress and demands a lot of my time. (Ulicus 12:09, 10 October 2006 (UTC))

Bane's Spirit
His spirit? I was under the distinct impression that it was just the imprint on the holocron... Krayt is trying to gain access to Bane's (and Andeddu and Nihilus') holocron(s) and the gatekeeper(correct term?) isn't letting him because he hasn't been judged worthy. (Ulicus 13:24, 10 October 2006 (UTC))
 * It's a little unclear. It seems to be simply a holocron, but the fact that they aren't just recorded messages (they argue with him) indicates otherwise. The images, whatever they are, have consciousness QuentinGeorge 20:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Holocrons have been sentient for a long time now. The Essential Guide to Weapons and Tech says they've got their Master's personalities programmed in, to make an interactive learning tool. -LtNOWIS 20:59, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Do they have memories as well? Because they remember that Krayt's come before them before. QuentinGeorge 21:00, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It could be just the holocrons, but then why would Krayt go all the way to Korriban? Maybe it's a mix of the too. We should ask John or Jan when we get the chance --Sauron18 22:09, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Timeline issues
Didn't Leland Chee say that the Darth Bane book takes precedence over JVS? Kuralyov 22:44, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * He made a statement to that effect, but we don't really know what that means in the end. Drew was promising a blog on the differences and why they were done, and I'd suggest we hold off any balnket cancellations of anything one way or the other until we get more information. Havac 22:51, 1 November 2006 (UTC)