Talk:New Republic/Legends

I think we are being overly critical of the New Republic. True, it ultimately failed, but we shouldn't compare it's failings while promoting the Old Republic and the Empire as better alternatives. Take membership: The Old Republic had 25,000 years to gain members and found colonies. The New Republic had less than 25. And under no circumstances should we compare it to the number of worlds controled by the Empire. Membership in the New Republic was voluntary; membership in the Empire was negotiated at turbolaser point. --User:SFH
 * Further, as we now know (or rather, as it has been retconned), many of the Republic and Empire's claims were dramatic exaggerations of fact. A large number of systems still fell under the Imperial Remnant, and it is likely that both the Republic and Empire included segments like the Corporate Sector and the Hapans, regardless of their independence. --SparqMan 16:30, 26 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Cracken's Threat
Most of this text is a lift from Cracken's Threat Dossier. Am I right? --SparqMan 20:49, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Ex-Imperial rights
I wanted to dump this somewhere for later integration: The New Rebellion: as petitions from former Imperial worlds were accepted (with the heavy lobbying from M'yet Luure and to the chagrin of Leia Organa Solo), Solo pushed through modifications to the "election law" that prohibited former "Imperial[s] with access to power in the Empire", ranging from military officers and governors to stormtroopers, from holding office of any sort in the NR. --SparqMan 16:57, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Hope somebody told Kyle Katarn, Jan Dodonna, Soontir Fel, Carlist Rieekan, et al...Kuralyov 06:01, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it's elected office; and you had to have actively defected before the war settled down. Thanos6 06:25, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

"Carlist Rieekan" rieekan wasn't in the Empire, he served in the Old Republic Army, and after the Clone Wars went back to Alderaan -SWF
 * Yes, that is true. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:26, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Image
Surely we can get a better image of the NR logo than this? It looks fan-made - Kwenn New:
 * That's definitely not fan-made. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:02, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It sucks, but I can't find another one on google. Anybody else have better luck?--Xilentshadow900 22:37, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:40, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Is the new pic better? I couldn't find a good one so I made it myself...--Sentry 00:40, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * You made it? Fan-made images are not allowed. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:31, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't make it from scratch, I cut it together from other images. Other users have recommended doing this for months. For goodness sake, the old image is obviously a fanmade edit as well - except its botched. Virtually every logo on this site has been edited to some degree or another. I think you are overreacting Nebulax there is nothing in the Image use policy that states user edited images are a problem, quite the contrary actually.--Sentry 04:45, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Finished the job on the new image. Redemption 04:57, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Why not just leave it as a transparent GIF? Its a smaller file and it will look good on every background... Whatever, it works ;) --Sentry 05:25, 18 February 2006 (UTC)

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The New Republic is a Confederacy
The New Republic is a Confederacy. Can we all agree on this? They call the New Republic a Confederation in the New Essential Chronology, and the Caamas Incident shows that sector and local governments have most of the power. The NR has a small centralized fleet, and Leia Organa mentions "member states".

-SWF
 * No. It is absolutely not a confederacy because it didn't break away from anything. If you keep this up, your vandalizing will be noted for. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:48, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * That's not at all what a confederacy is. Check any dictionary: describing a government as confederacy means it's a league or alliance of individual states.  confederation and federation have similar meanings.  Confederation, since it's canonically used anyway, might be better used here to avoid confusion with the Confederacy of Independent Systems. &mdash; Silly Dan 14:47, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * When you mostly hear the word "confederacy", what comes to mind? Well, I think of "a government that broke away from another". But confederation, then, not confederacy. Admiral J. Nebulax 16:31, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

"No. It is absolutely not a confederacy because it didn't break away from anything. If you keep this up, your vandalizing will be noted for. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:48, 29 January 2006 (UTC)"

I apologize for any vandalizing I may have done, please don't do anything to me.

"confederacy-a federal state in which the provinces have significantly more power than the federal government" It doesn't have to break away from anything, to be a confederacy.

“Shifting the bulk of political power back down to system and sector levels is definitely the way to go. The Empire already proved that the centralised approach doesn't work.” -pg. 80 of Specter of the Past

"The more commonplace day-to-day governing was handled at the sector, system, planetary, regional, district, and local levels." -pg. 100-101 or Specter of the Past

Note that in the Thrawn Trilogy, "half of the species of the old Rebel Alliance" could leave anytime they wanted. Weak centralized government, even back then. The New Republic has most of its' fleets given to sector and local governments. -SWF
 * It wasn't vandalism at all -- I think Jack just misinterpreted what a confederacy is. Mind you, the New Republic was established by an Alliance of Rebels, so even by his definition you were somewhat correct....&mdash; Silly Dan 17:53, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that the sector and local governments didn't actually have the overall authority, but were simply telling the New Republic to "kriff off". At least that's the impression I got from the article itself. -- SFH 17:58, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Okay. It can be changed, then? -SWF
 * I guess. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:52, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Coruscant is the only Capital
Erm, Coruscant is the only capital. Calamari was never a New Republic capital, it was attacked because of its' major shipyards and importance to the Rebels. Da Soocha V was a capital after the NR wad driven back from Coruscant, and they were called the Rebel Alliance again by the galaxy, and even by themselves once they lost Coruscant and the rest of the Core Worlds.

-SWF
 * Wrong. They were still the New Republic when Da Soocha V was the capital, and later, during the Yuuzhan Vong War, Dac was the capital. Admiral J. Nebulax

Dac was a Galactic Allience capital, after Coruscant was taken by the Vong, the New Republic became the GFFA (after some problems with re-building the governemnt).

Dark Empire refers to them as the Rebel Alliance, they lost Coruscant and the Core Worlds. The Dark Empire sourcebook calls them the "Alliance" in the article about the Imperial Civil War. THey're now regarded as Rebels by the Galaxy again due to these losses and Thrawn;s campaign. -SWF
 * Actually, the Empire always refered to the New Republic as the Rebels. They never called themselves that after Endor. And the New Republic didn't turn into the Galactic Alliance until after the Battle of Ebaq 9, several months after the election of Cal Omas. -- SFH 04:20, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * SWF, wouldn't you think that if these weren't the capitals, someone would have realized a long time ago and remove them? They are the capitals. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:33, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

SFH, the New Republic disintegrated after the loss of Coruscant to the Yuuzhan Vong, it wasn't that government, it died after that. The New Republic did refer to themselves as the "Alliance" in the Battle of Calamari and the Balmorrans themselves, who left the Empire called them the "Alliance" During the year where Palpatine was Reborn, the New Republic was called the "Rebels" by the entire galaxy, not just the Empire. Also, Admiral Nebulax, no one noticed that the New Republic was a Confederation until I mentioned it. -SWF
 * The New Republic lasted for a year after the fall of Coruscant, before it was turned into the GFFA. Kuralyov 02:56, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Okay, I concede that. I'd also like to say that the Narrator for Dark Empire, Dark Empire II and Empire's End ferers to them as the "Rebels" and "The Alliance" not the Empire, the narrator, Tom Veitch. -SWF
 * See? Admiral J. Nebulax 20:40, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Yes, I see for Dac (Mon Calamari) being a NR cpaital, but Da Soocha wasn't a NR capital. -SWF
 * Wrong again. After Coruscant fell back to the Imperials, they set up the government headquarters on Da Soocha V. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:03, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

And the Galaxy at large called them "Rebels" again, not just the Empire. During the Battle of Calamari the narrator says "Rebel Star Destroyer" and one of the Soldiers says "Alliance Frequency" The narrator says "Rebel Base" for Pinnacle Base. You do have DE, DEII and Empire's End, right? They show it in the comics. You aren't much of a New Republic anyway when you lost Coruscant, the Core Worlds and being driven back to the Outer Rim anyway (which is why the Galaxy called them Rebels again.) -SWF
 * They're referred to as the Rebels and the Alliance in the Dark Forces book too, but they were still the NR at that point. The only reason they're referred to as the Rebels in DE is because Veitch wasn't willing to change anything once the Thrawn Trilogy came out. Hence why we have official retcons to tell us that they're still the New Republic. And as for "much of a New Republic anyway when you lost Coruscant, the Core Worlds and being driven back to the Outer Rim anyway", the New Republic existed for two years before they took Coruscant, and when the NR was declared, all they held was Endor. Kuralyov 05:58, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Now do you finally get it? Admiral J. Nebulax 20:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Fine, I get it now. You win. Include Nespis VIII also. -SWF
 * Of course. How could we forget Nespis VIII? Admiral J. Nebulax 21:43, 10 February 2006 (UTC)