Wookieepedia:Mofferences/Log/2016 March 6


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 * Topic for #wookieepedia was set by Toprawa on Sat Mar 5 18:40:31 2016

[02:00:24]  Here we go [02:00:26] !hieverybody [02:00:27]  Hello, AV-6R7, Ayrehead02, Brandon_Rhea, Cade, CavalierOne, ChanServ, CorellianPremier, Culator|Away, ecks, exiledjedi, fetus, GT|away, Nuku-Nuku, ProfessorTofty, PurpleTentacle, Technobliterator, Tm_T, Toprawa, Tyber, and Zervonn !!!

[02:00:53]  Item 1, Toprawa has the floor [02:00:55] *** Culator|Away is now known as Darth_Culator [02:00:58]  A look at the Consensus policy. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:33, February 23, 2016 (UTC) [02:01:16] *** Joins: grunny (~grunny@wookieepedia/bureaucrat/Grunny) [02:01:16] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o grunny [02:01:26]  hey, grunny [02:01:33]  We're starting with item 1 right now [02:01:36] hey, Tope [02:01:50]  Our Consensus policy has long been in need of a general cleanup for readability and understanding [02:02:40]  So I've taken the time to write up a neater, cleaner version that will be easier for people to read and understand [02:02:41] *** Joins: CC7567 (redacted@wookieepedia/administrator/CC7567) [02:02:41] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o CC7567 [02:02:41] *** Nuku-Nuku sets mode: +o CC7567 [02:03:36]  This is the proposal; all text in red (with the exception of redlinks) represents new material. There are no real major changes. http://domia-abr-wyrda.wikia.com/wiki/Toprawa [02:03:48]  The one thing I want to bring attention to is the bit about BCs near the bottom [02:04:07]  That part is actually already coded within our BC page [02:04:18]  We've just never used it [02:04:31]  But since it's there, it should be covered on the Consensus page [02:04:47]  I wanted to highlight this so it doesn't look like a power grab or anything :P [02:04:56]  So, I'll give everyone a few moments to go through that [02:05:04]  I've already shown it to some of you [02:05:09] <Toprawa> And ecks, you may open up the floor [02:05:13] *** ecks sets mode: -m [02:05:45] * Cade nods [02:05:47] new version is much clearer [02:05:53] <Toprawa> Also, one thing that will change with this that might not be visible since it's a redlink, is that WOTM will now require 10 supports [02:05:55] WP:CON is a mess right now, and so is VP:VOTE to a degree [02:06:01] <Toprawa> Or 10 people voting, to be more accurate [02:06:04] <Cade> Compare: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/WP:CON [02:06:04] <CC7567> I agree with ecks; this is much easier to read [02:06:08] <ProfessorTofty> I like how it states right up front in the first sentence what "consensus" is. Very upfront. [02:06:10] <Toprawa> Since we've had issues recently with lack of participation [02:06:31] This is long overdue. [02:06:50] <ProfessorTofty> Say, quick procedural question - we're not allowed to formally "abstain" in our votes this time around? (Not that I necessarily feel the need to.) [02:07:00] <Toprawa> You may abstain if you wish [02:07:03] <ProfessorTofty> 'K. [02:07:24] <Toprawa> If there are no other questions or anything, I'll open up voting [02:07:43] <Toprawa> VOTE: Adopting the proposed rewrite to Wookieepedia:Consensus [02:07:45] <Toprawa> ~open [02:07:45] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open. [02:07:48] ~support [02:07:48] <PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [02:07:50] ~support [02:07:50] <PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [02:07:50] <CC7567> ~support [02:07:51] <PurpleTentacle> CC7567: Support vote counted. [02:07:51] <ProfessorTofty> ~support [02:07:51] <PurpleTentacle> ProfessorTofty: Support vote counted. [02:07:52] <Cade> ~support [02:07:52] <PurpleTentacle> Cade: Support vote counted. [02:07:53] <Darth_Culator> ~support [02:07:53] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [02:07:55] <CorellianPremier> ~support [02:07:55] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted. [02:07:56] <CavalierOne> ~support [02:07:56] <PurpleTentacle> CavalierOne: Support vote counted. [02:07:57] <Toprawa> ~support [02:07:57] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [02:08:33] <Toprawa> Ok, that's 9 people if I'm counting correctly [02:08:37] <Toprawa> We need 10 to pass anything [02:08:53] <CC7567> I think we have 10, actually [02:09:00] <CC7567> wait whoops, it's 9 [02:09:04] I count 9. [02:09:05] <AV-6R7> Sorry, I just looked at the clock. Give me a minute to review. [02:09:25] ~support [02:09:25] <PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [02:09:36] <AV-6R7> ~support [02:09:36] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted. [02:09:45] <Toprawa> Technical issue: [02:09:54] <Toprawa> Ayrehead says he's trying to vote but that he can't send messages to the channel [02:10:00] <Toprawa> I don't know how to fix that [02:10:02] *** Cade sets mode: +v Ayrehead02 [02:10:08] <Toprawa> Try now, Ayrehead [02:10:24] <Ayrehead02> ~support [02:10:24] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [02:10:26] <Toprawa> Yay [02:10:36] *** Cade sets mode: -v Ayrehead02 [02:10:41] <Toprawa> Closing vote in 10 seconds [02:10:41] <Cade> try to say something again [02:10:53] Ayrehead02 you're not logged in [02:10:57] <Darth_Culator> I think ecks quieted everyone not logged in. [02:10:57] <Toprawa> ~close [02:10:57] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed. [02:10:59] <Darth_Culator> Yeah, that. [02:10:59] <Toprawa> ~tally [02:10:59] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 12 [02:11:03] <Toprawa> Measure passes, 12-0 [02:11:32] <ProfessorTofty> I almost missed the bit about registering for an account myself. [02:11:37] <Toprawa> I'll let you guys doing voice please handle that

[02:11:46] <Toprawa> Ok, item 2 [02:11:47] *** ecks sets mode: +m [02:11:55] <Toprawa> Modifying the rules for Official Friends. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:33, February 23, 2016 (UTC) [02:12:24] <Toprawa> This will be a multi-part vote [02:13:04] <Toprawa> We've recently begun asking our Official Friends who aren't already to reflect a public affiliation with Wookieepedia [02:13:12] <Toprawa> Such as through an Affiliations section on their page [02:13:29] <Toprawa> Everyone I've spoken to has been happy to oblige, and we do the same thing [02:13:37] <Toprawa> It's just a nice way to reflect our partnership [02:13:54] <Toprawa> That should be a standard condition for becoming Official Friends with anyone. [02:14:07] <Toprawa> If we're linking and representing someone on our MP, it's not too much to ask them to do the shame [02:14:34] <Toprawa> I am therefore proposing we add the following item to the "Selection process" portion of the WOTM nom page [02:14:47] <Toprawa> "Nominations must demonstrate a permanent public connection to Wookieepedia, such as through a website's affiliation section. This may be excused for Star Wars VIPs." [02:15:07] <Toprawa> I will also note that our rules additionally state that anyone who stops doing this may be removed from our Official Friends [02:15:21] <Toprawa> So we might as well put this up front as a friendly reminder [02:15:23] <Toprawa> Ok, ecks [02:15:26] *** ecks sets mode: -m [02:15:40] <Cade> Sounds good [02:15:42] <CC7567> sounds good to me [02:15:52] Sounds reasonable [02:15:54] <Darth_Culator> Official Friends is still a thing? [02:15:55] <Toprawa> I mean, not to make this sound like a harsh condition, but we're not running a charity here [02:15:56] might as well make it official [02:16:08] <AV-6R7> This is a logical thing to do. [02:16:17] <ProfessorTofty> Yeah, totally agree. Basically just taking what's already in what would get you removed and putting it up-front. [02:16:22] <CorellianPremier> i thuought that was the point anyway [02:16:41] <AV-6R7> Whats the point if they're not going to support us back. [02:16:45] <Ayrehead02> Makes perfect sense [02:16:46] <Toprawa> Indeed [02:16:50] <Toprawa> Ok, I'll open up the vote, then [02:17:03] <Toprawa> VOTE: Adding proposal to Selection process for Official Friends [02:17:07] <Toprawa> ~open [02:17:07] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open. [02:17:10] <Ayrehead02> ~support [02:17:10] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [02:17:11] <Brandon_Rhea> ~support [02:17:11] <PurpleTentacle> Brandon_Rhea: Support vote counted. [02:17:12] <ProfessorTofty> ~support [02:17:12] <PurpleTentacle> ProfessorTofty: Support vote counted. [02:17:13] <Darth_Culator> ~support [02:17:13] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [02:17:13] <AV-6R7> ~support [02:17:13] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted. [02:17:17] <CavalierOne> ~support [02:17:17] <PurpleTentacle> CavalierOne: Support vote counted. [02:17:17] ~support [02:17:17] <PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [02:17:17] <CorellianPremier> ~support [02:17:17] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted. [02:17:18] <Toprawa> ~support [02:17:18] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [02:17:20] ~support [02:17:20] <PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [02:17:22] <Cade> ~support [02:17:22] <PurpleTentacle> Cade: Support vote counted. [02:17:27] <CC7567> ~support [02:17:27] <PurpleTentacle> CC7567: Support vote counted. [02:17:35] ~support [02:17:35] <PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [02:17:51] <Toprawa> Closing vote in 10 [02:17:54] <Toprawa> Vote now if you haven't [02:18:07] <Toprawa> ~close [02:18:07] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed. [02:18:09] <Toprawa> ~tally [02:18:09] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 13 [02:18:14] <Toprawa> Motion passes, 13-0

[02:18:17] <Toprawa> Ok, part 2 [02:18:20] *** ecks sets mode: +m [02:18:52] <Toprawa> Very simply, I propose we remove the "and any other relevant factors" part from the Selection and Removal processes [02:19:00] <Toprawa> I don't even know what that's supposed to mean [02:19:18] <Toprawa> There are no other factors we consider [02:19:24] <Toprawa> ecks [02:19:27] *** ecks sets mode: -m [02:19:40] <CC7567> let's do it [02:19:49] <AV-6R7> Dumb wording. [02:19:52] <ProfessorTofty> Seems like a no-brainer. [02:19:54] Kill it. [02:19:57] <Cade> I bet there's a story there [02:19:57] ^ [02:19:59] <AV-6R7> Lets kill it. [02:20:00] <Cade> I shall find it later [02:20:03] <Darth_Culator> Seriously, Official Friends is really still a thing? [02:20:09] <Toprawa> Yes :P [02:20:18] friends are nice [02:20:21] <Toprawa> Ok, opening up the vote [02:20:21] <CorellianPremier> it probably refers to the actual process [02:20:34] <Toprawa> VOTE: Removing that part from Official Friends nom page [02:20:36] <Toprawa> ~open [02:20:36] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open. [02:20:39] ~support [02:20:39] <PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [02:20:39] <CC7567> ~support [02:20:39] <PurpleTentacle> CC7567: Support vote counted. [02:20:40] <Darth_Culator> ~support [02:20:40] ~support [02:20:40] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [02:20:40] <PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [02:20:40] <ProfessorTofty> ~support [02:20:40] <PurpleTentacle> ProfessorTofty: Support vote counted. [02:20:41] <AV-6R7> ~support [02:20:41] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted. [02:20:42] <CavalierOne> ~support [02:20:42] <PurpleTentacle> CavalierOne: Support vote counted. [02:20:43] <Ayrehead02> ~support [02:20:43] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [02:20:43] <Toprawa> ~support [02:20:43] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [02:20:44] <Brandon_Rhea> ~support [02:20:44] <PurpleTentacle> Brandon_Rhea: Support vote counted. [02:20:45] <Cade> ~support [02:20:45] <PurpleTentacle> Cade: Support vote counted. [02:20:58] ~support [02:20:58] <PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [02:21:15] <Toprawa> Closing in 10 [02:21:17] <CorellianPremier> ~support [02:21:17] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted. [02:21:26] <Toprawa> ~close [02:21:26] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed. [02:21:28] <Toprawa> ~tally [02:21:28] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 13 [02:21:30] <Toprawa> Motion passes, 13-0

[02:21:33] <Toprawa> And one more part [02:21:37] *** ecks sets mode: +m [02:22:07] <Toprawa> We've never done this outside of the Official Friends nominations page, but the procedure is the same, so I think it's fair that we do so [02:22:20] <Toprawa> I'm nominating two current Official Friends for removal [02:22:35] <Toprawa> The first is the Official Star Wars PocketModels Website [02:23:01] <Toprawa> Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it was SinisterSamurai (?) who nominated this place for OF [02:23:27] <Toprawa> The problem is that he made it sound like we were becoming friends with that actual website, which is an official Lucasfilm licensee [02:23:44] <Toprawa> He represented himself in the nomination as someone who was in charge of that website [02:24:05] <Toprawa> But in reality, the only thing he was associated with was a message board system on that website, which is no longer in operation [02:24:10] <Toprawa> And hasn't been for several years now [02:24:34] <Toprawa> It's unfortunate that we didn't do a closer job of vetting this nomination in the first place, but it's time for this thing to go [02:24:41] <Toprawa> I'll open discussion for this one first [02:24:43] <Toprawa> ecks [02:24:45] *** ecks sets mode: -m [02:24:48] <Cade> hahahahahahahahahahah [02:24:49] <Cade> yess [02:24:50] Sorry to interject, but it was Gethralkin. [02:24:53] <CC7567> for the record, it was Gethralkin [02:24:54] <CC7567> ^ [02:24:55] <Toprawa> Yes, thank you, EJ [02:24:57] <ProfessorTofty> Okay, sorry, but, huh? I don't see this listed on the Official Friends page. [02:25:01] And I support 100% [02:25:01] <Darth_Culator> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Official_Friends_of_Wookieepedia/Archive#The_Official_Star_Wars_PocketModels_Website_and_Facebook_page_.2814.2F3.2F0.29 [02:25:02] <Brandon_Rhea> It's on the main page [02:25:07] <Toprawa> It's not, Tofty [02:25:09] <Toprawa> But it's on the MP [02:25:16] <AV-6R7> Its taken us this long to kill it? Might as well get it over with. [02:25:17] <Cade> This will no doubt incur his return and subsequent "eloquent" rampage, but god yes, let's [02:25:40] <ProfessorTofty> On the main page, but not even on the list? Well, then yeah, let's just ditch it. Especially if it's some message board that's no longer even around. [02:26:02] <CC7567> Gethralkin hasn't been active since last summer, so I don't think that'll be an issue, Cade [02:26:11] you underestimate the power of lurkers [02:26:15] <Cade> ^ [02:26:17] <Cade> ^^^^ [02:26:20] <Ayrehead02> Sounds like no one is going to miss this [02:26:23] <Brandon_Rhea> In principle I feel like this vote should be done publicly rather than buried in the minutes of an IRC conversation. I know this is a Lucasfilm licensee but once you do something like this once, it becomes acceptable to do it more and I'd rather not set the precedent. [02:26:46] <Brandon_Rhea> FTR, my vote in public would be to remove it. [02:26:48] <Toprawa> There's no fundamental difference between the Official Friends voting page and a CT [02:26:51] <Toprawa> And a Mofference is a live CT [02:26:57] <Toprawa> So why can't we have a live Official Friends vote? [02:27:00] <CC7567> the result is the same, in any case [02:27:02] <Darth_Culator> I didn't realize at the time that the forum he was repping was seperate from the site. And the forum is dead. [02:27:18] <Cade> Yeah, we've done removals/TCs/similar things here before. [02:27:19] <Darth_Culator> So it needs to go. [02:27:21] <Brandon_Rhea> Because I don't like the precedent it sets for wanting to quickly and quietly get rid of other relationships. [02:27:29] <Toprawa> Are there any administrative objections to this vote? [02:27:29] <AV-6R7> All of this will be recorded in the log after all. [02:27:33] <Ayrehead02> To be fair I've seen people complaining in several places about stuff being hidden in mofferences [02:27:37] None from me. [02:27:42] <Cade> Nope. [02:27:44] <Darth_Culator> I'm all for it. [02:27:45] <CC7567> none [02:27:52] <ProfessorTofty> Seems to me almost there ought to be a rule that if the existence is failed, then there shouldn't even need to be a vote. How can they be a friend if they don't exist? [02:27:55] <AV-6R7> cough*Weedle*cough [02:28:03] <Cade> hah [02:28:05] <Cade> hahahah [02:28:09] <Toprawa> If there are no objections, I'll open up the vote [02:28:22] <Toprawa> VOTE: Removing PocketModels Website message board from Official Friends [02:28:23] <Toprawa> ~open [02:28:23] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open. [02:28:26] <CC7567> ~support [02:28:26] <PurpleTentacle> CC7567: Support vote counted. [02:28:27] <ProfessorTofty> ~support [02:28:27] <PurpleTentacle> ProfessorTofty: Support vote counted. [02:28:27] ~support begone [02:28:27] <PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [02:28:27] ~support [02:28:27] <PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [02:28:27] <Darth_Culator> ~support [02:28:27] <AV-6R7> ~support [02:28:27] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [02:28:28] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted. [02:28:28] <Cade> ~support [02:28:28] <PurpleTentacle> Cade: Support vote counted. [02:28:29] <Brandon_Rhea> ~oppose [02:28:29] <PurpleTentacle> Brandon_Rhea: Oppose vote counted. [02:28:35] <CorellianPremier> ~support Only because the site's already dead [02:28:35] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted. [02:28:37] <Ayrehead02> ~oppose [02:28:37] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Oppose vote counted. [02:28:38] <CavalierOne> ~support [02:28:38] <PurpleTentacle> CavalierOne: Support vote counted. [02:28:39] <Toprawa> ~support [02:28:39] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [02:29:02] <Toprawa> Closing in 10 [02:29:13] <Toprawa> ~close [02:29:13] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed. [02:29:16] <Toprawa> ~tally [02:29:16] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Oppose: 2 [02:29:16] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 10 [02:29:20] <Toprawa> Motion passes, 10-2 [02:29:25] <Cade> Just because we're not Official Friends doesn't mean we still can't use the info [02:29:32] <Cade> (just reading the actual nomination) [02:29:43] <Toprawa> So, Brandon, you're going to vote just to obstruct the proceedings? [02:30:01] <Brandon_Rhea> I don't considering my vote to be an obstruction considering it passed. [02:30:10] <Brandon_Rhea> *consider [02:30:14] <Toprawa> You said you would support in public, but you're opposing in the public Mofference? [02:30:17] <Toprawa> Yeah, that's constructive [02:30:23] <Toprawa> Moving on

[02:30:25] *** ecks sets mode: +m [02:30:40] <Toprawa> I am also proposing we remove Skywalker.dk [02:30:57] <Toprawa> I believe they were the first group Wookieepedia accepted as an Official Friend [02:31:18] <Toprawa> Which, I will point out, passed on like a 75% support from people coming over from their message board [02:31:29] <Toprawa> This was before we had any sort of single-issue voting rules in place [02:31:46] <Toprawa> Skywalker.dk is a practically dead message board [02:31:54] <Toprawa> They've had like 10 posts since 2010 [02:32:10] <Toprawa> They cannot, by definition of their website, even demonstrate a public affiliation to Wookieepedia [02:32:27] <Toprawa> So they don't even satisfy our approval rules anymore [02:32:39] <Toprawa> Again, we're not running a charity here [02:32:43] <Toprawa> ecks [02:32:47] *** ecks sets mode: -m [02:32:50] <Cade> For reference: http://www.skywalker.dk/forum/index.php [02:33:02] <Cade> �Very� few recent posts. [02:33:05] <CC7567> I was just about to ask whether they link to us, but they clearly don't [02:33:07] <Brandon_Rhea> Responding to Tope's last comment to me, since the channel was muted before I could reply: process can be just as important as results. And considering there have been times in the past when the site hasn't been totally above board with Official Friends removals, I'd rather not set this precedent. [02:33:09] <CorellianPremier> ...geez [02:33:10] <Brandon_Rhea> That's the last I'll say on it [02:33:14] <Toprawa> tl;dr [02:33:18] Danish is like Swedish spoken with a potato in my mouth [02:33:24] <CorellianPremier> that site is really barren [02:33:26] let's just get rid of it [02:33:41] <Cade> It's still got TPM Darth Maul as the header image. That's how old it is. [02:34:05] <AV-6R7> The people who complain that there is no process are causally the ones who don't even vote in the first place. [02:34:06] <ProfessorTofty> Actually, it seems to rotate a different image each time you visit. [02:34:22] <ProfessorTofty> I've got Old Ben right now. [02:34:25] <Cade> Alright, that's a discussion for another time, AV [02:34:27] <CorellianPremier> Mara Jade [02:34:30] <Cade> Let's stay on topic [02:34:36] <AV-6R7> Ok. [02:34:48] <Cade> ANyone have any major objections before we vote? [02:34:57] <CC7567> nope [02:34:58] *** Joins: momoyome (~momo@redacted) [02:35:02] Not I. [02:35:12] <AV-6R7> I'm read to kill this thing. [02:35:53] <Cade> Tope? [02:36:10] <Toprawa> Sorry [02:36:14] *** Joins: Imperators_II (~chatzilla@wookieepedia/Imperators) [02:36:14] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Imperators_II [02:36:17] <Toprawa> VOTE: Removing Skywalker.dk from Official Friends [02:36:20] *** ecks sets mode: -v Imperators_II [02:36:20] <Toprawa> ~open [02:36:20] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open. [02:36:22] <AV-6R7> ~support [02:36:22] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted. [02:36:22] ~support [02:36:22] <PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [02:36:25] <Cade> ~support [02:36:25] <PurpleTentacle> Cade: Support vote counted. [02:36:26] <CC7567> ~support [02:36:26] <PurpleTentacle> CC7567: Support vote counted. [02:36:27] <ProfessorTofty> ~support [02:36:27] <PurpleTentacle> ProfessorTofty: Support vote counted. [02:36:29] <CorellianPremier> ~support [02:36:29] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted. [02:36:32] ~support [02:36:32] <PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [02:36:33] <Darth_Culator> ~support [02:36:33] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [02:36:33] <CavalierOne> ~support [02:36:33] <PurpleTentacle> CavalierOne: Support vote counted. [02:36:34] <Brandon_Rhea> ~oppose [02:36:34] <PurpleTentacle> Brandon_Rhea: Oppose vote counted. [02:36:37] <Ayrehead02> ~oppose [02:36:37] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Oppose vote counted. [02:36:38] <Toprawa> ~support [02:36:38] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [02:37:22] <Toprawa> Closing in 10 [02:37:27] heh, yeah [02:37:30] ~support [02:37:30] <PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [02:37:40] <Toprawa> ~close [02:37:40] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed. [02:37:42] <Toprawa> ~tally [02:37:42] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Oppose: 2 [02:37:42] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 11 [02:37:48] <Toprawa> Motion passes, 11-2 [02:38:38] <Toprawa> Sorry... [02:38:51] <Toprawa> People are PMing me about the channel being locked o [02:39:19] <Toprawa> Ok [02:39:23] <Cade> Who? Send them to #wookieepedia-social [02:39:27] <Toprawa> momoyome? [02:39:31] <Toprawa> I don't know [02:39:34] <Toprawa> I'm trying to focus :P [02:39:38] I don't think momoyome is eligible for voting [02:39:39] <Cade> Oh, I booted the lurkers [02:39:50] <Cade> Let's continue. [02:39:52] <Toprawa> Ok

[02:39:53] *** ecks sets mode: +m [02:39:54] <Toprawa> Moving on [02:39:57] <Toprawa> Ecks, you're up [02:40:00] <Toprawa> No [02:40:02] <Toprawa> Wait [02:40:03] <Toprawa> Sorry [02:40:06] <Toprawa> STOP PMING ME [02:40:23] <Toprawa> Item 3, Toprawa [02:40:26] <Toprawa> Amendment to the Notability policy for species articles. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:33, February 23, 2016 (UTC) [02:41:12] <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia%3ANotability_policy#Sentient_species [02:41:13] <Toprawa> Here [02:41:16] <Toprawa> Wanted to link that for everyone's reference [02:41:40] <Toprawa> I'd like to propose a sub-item for this clause: "Significant development/behind the scenes information, such as inspiration. For example: Red pachydermoid species." [02:42:23] <Toprawa> Specifically, to state that articles based on that clause may only exist if no character article exists for the species [02:42:25] <Toprawa> For example [02:42:38] <Toprawa> This guy http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Veedaaz_Awmetth [02:42:49] <Toprawa> This is his species http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_Sarrish_species [02:43:12] <Toprawa> The problem is that nothing ever refers to his species [02:43:29] <Toprawa> We don't know that he's native to Sarrish; we don't know that anything in the species article specifically applies to a species [02:43:50] <Toprawa> He could be a different species who happened to move to Sarrish [02:44:06] <Toprawa> We don't even know if Sarrish has a native species [02:44:29] <Toprawa> In short, all of the info in that species article belongs in the character article [02:44:59] <Toprawa> This would be added as a sub-bullet to that clause: [02:45:26] <Toprawa> "A species may only receive an article based on this clause if no corresponding character article exists for that species." [02:45:38] <Toprawa> I hope I explained that clearly [02:45:47] <Toprawa> These distractions have disrupted my concentration [02:45:50] <Toprawa> ecks [02:45:53] *** ecks sets mode: -m [02:45:55] <Cade> Ah, the great Anti-Dantescifi Laws. They lead to 2014 being the Year of Many TCs. [02:46:06] <CC7567> makes sense to me [02:46:12] <Cade> So, in case anyone didn't get that, the species article is full of wrong info [02:46:18] <Toprawa> heh, yes, to summarize [02:46:31] <ProfessorTofty> Yeah, everything you said makes sense. We just don't know if any of that is true beyond the individual. [02:46:35] <Brandon_Rhea> Maybe there are other examples that better illustrate this, but couldn't this just be solved by TC or by looking at the article and, as you illustrated, deleting it for not actually being a thing? Why a new policy rather than just utilizing what's already at our disposal? [02:46:46] <Cade> there's nothing saying it's native to Sarrish, so it doesn't satisfy any of the other exceptions. [02:47:10] <Toprawa> Indeed, Cade [02:47:21] <AV-6R7> If this passed, will it kill Yuskyn's species? [02:47:28] <Cade> I believe the point of this was to give us grounds for a TC on this and any other species that we might find [02:47:29] <Toprawa> Can you link to Yuskyn's species? [02:47:32] <Toprawa> I'm not familiar with that one [02:47:47] <Cade> We've got a *ton* of them. There's gotta be more than just this one. [02:47:48] <AV-6R7> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yushyn%27s_species [02:47:55] <Brandon_Rhea> I feel like the grounds are already there - the information is wrong. That to me would make it a candidate for speedy deletion, even. [02:48:15] <Toprawa> Well, if there are multiple members of Yushyn's species, it would qualify under the multiple members clause [02:48:31] <AV-6R7> Only one we know of. [02:49:01] <AV-6R7> But there is significant Bts info. [02:49:17] <Cade> Then yes, that satisfies Tope's new point [02:49:30] <Brandon_Rhea> Under this proposal I believe that means the BtS info would go in the character article, and the species article could be removed. If I'm understanding correctly. [02:49:38] <Cade> Yes. [02:49:40] <Ayrehead02> There's no need for the Yushyn's species article, I nearly TC'd it as soon as I saw it'd been made. All that info should just be in the character article. [02:49:46] <AV-6R7> Ok, all of the info on that article is in the char page already. [02:50:04] <Toprawa> Ok, it seems like you guys are clear on that, then [02:50:09] <Toprawa> So I'll open this [02:50:17] <Toprawa> VOTE: Adopt proposal to Notability policy for species [02:50:19] <Toprawa> ~open [02:50:19] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open. [02:50:21] <AV-6R7> ~support [02:50:21] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted. [02:50:21] <CC7567> ~support [02:50:21] <PurpleTentacle> CC7567: Support vote counted. [02:50:23] <Cade> ~support [02:50:23] <PurpleTentacle> Cade: Support vote counted. [02:50:27] ~support [02:50:27] <PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [02:50:28] <Darth_Culator> ~support [02:50:28] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [02:50:30] <Toprawa> ~support [02:50:30] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [02:50:33] ~support [02:50:33] <PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [02:50:34] <ProfessorTofty> ~support [02:50:34] <PurpleTentacle> ProfessorTofty: Support vote counted. [02:50:36] <Ayrehead02> ~support [02:50:36] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [02:50:37] <CavalierOne> ~support [02:50:37] <PurpleTentacle> CavalierOne: Support vote counted. [02:50:53] <CorellianPremier> ~support [02:50:53] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted. [02:51:06] ~support [02:51:06] <PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [02:51:26] <Toprawa> Closing in 10 [02:51:43] <Toprawa> ~close [02:51:43] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed. [02:51:44] <Toprawa> ~tally [02:51:45] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 12 [02:51:47] <Toprawa> Motion passes, 12-0

[02:52:01] <Toprawa> And one more really quick one for the Species thing [02:52:26] <Toprawa> I propose we remove "As a general rule" from this sentence of that species section: "As a general rule, a species must have one of the following to necessitate an article:" [02:52:32] <Toprawa> It's not a general rule; it /is/ the rule :P [02:52:36] <Toprawa> ecks [02:52:38] <Cade> ^^^ [02:52:43] alright [02:52:48] <Toprawa> Sorry [02:52:51] Sounds to me. [02:52:51] <Toprawa> Meant to give voice [02:52:58] <AV-6R7> Kill it. [02:53:12] *Sounds good [02:53:13] do we vote on this? [02:53:16] <Toprawa> Yes, ecks, sorry [02:53:20] <Toprawa> I meant to stay to give them voice [02:53:22] <Toprawa> But they had it still [02:53:37] ah [02:53:37] <Toprawa> That's straightforward enough, so I'll just open it [02:53:39] <CC7567> as long as it's still clear that one of the clauses must be true, I'm fine with removing it [02:53:49] <AV-6R7> ^ [02:54:03] <Toprawa> The sentence will still read "A species must have one of the following to necessitate an article:" [02:54:05] <Toprawa> So it will be [02:54:14] <CC7567> yeah, that's fine [02:54:24] <Toprawa> VOTE: Removing "As a general rule" from that sentence [02:54:26] <Toprawa> ~open [02:54:26] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open. [02:54:28] <ProfessorTofty> ~support [02:54:28] <PurpleTentacle> ProfessorTofty: Support vote counted. [02:54:28] <CC7567> sorry, I misread your proposal :P [02:54:29] <Cade> ~support [02:54:29] <PurpleTentacle> Cade: Support vote counted. [02:54:30] <CC7567> ~support [02:54:30] <PurpleTentacle> CC7567: Support vote counted. [02:54:31] <Brandon_Rhea> ~support [02:54:31] <PurpleTentacle> Brandon_Rhea: Support vote counted. [02:54:32] <Toprawa> ~support [02:54:32] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [02:54:33] ~support [02:54:33] <PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [02:54:34] <Ayrehead02> ~support [02:54:34] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [02:54:35] <CorellianPremier> ~support [02:54:35] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted. [02:54:35] <AV-6R7> ~support [02:54:35] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted. [02:54:37] <Darth_Culator> ~support [02:54:37] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [02:54:38] ~support [02:54:38] <PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [02:54:44] <CavalierOne> ~support [02:54:44] <PurpleTentacle> CavalierOne: Support vote counted. [02:55:11] <Toprawa> Closing in 10 [02:55:17] *** Quits: Imperators_II (~chatzilla@wookieepedia/Imperators) (Ping timeout: 260 seconds) [02:55:21] <Toprawa> After this, I'm going to pause the meeting for 5-10 minutes [02:55:30] <Toprawa> Multiple people have said they need a quick break [02:55:40] <Toprawa> but I'll let ecks explain his stuff in the meantime [02:55:42] <Toprawa> ~close [02:55:43] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed. [02:55:44] <Toprawa> ~tally [02:55:44] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 12 [02:55:47] <Toprawa> Motion passes, 12-0

[02:55:57] *** ecks sets mode: +m [02:55:59] <Toprawa> Meeting is officially timed out for 5-10 min, but ecks you have the floor [02:55:59] mwahahaha [02:56:03] *** Joins: Imperators_II (~chatzilla@wookieepedia/Imperators) [02:56:03] *** ChanServ sets mode: +v Imperators_II [02:56:17] alright, this is a bigger item [02:56:21] *** ecks sets mode: -v Imperators_II [02:56:24] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/WP:VOTE is kind of a mess [02:56:27] <Cade> Wait, I thought we were pausing [02:56:39] I'm still typing this shit here [02:56:42] <Cade> I have mid-meeting entertainment to deliver. [02:56:46] read it when you return [02:56:49] <Cade> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Comprehensive_article_nominations/Ao_Var [02:56:54] *** Cade was kicked by ecks (Cade) [02:56:54] *** Joins: Cade (~Cade_Calr@wookieepedia/administrator/Cade-Calrayn) [02:56:54] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Cade [02:56:54] *** Nuku-Nuku sets mode: +o Cade [02:57:19] alright so VP:VOTE is a mess both from a formatting perspective and from a readability perspective [02:57:34] hence Tope and I (mostly Tope) have rewritten the entire thing [02:57:41] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Xd1358/test [02:57:57] There are really no changes to procedure, it's just a reformatting-for-clarity thing [02:58:18] if you're confused about what affects what, I made a neat table - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Xd1358/test3#WP:CON [02:58:27] any questions? fire away [02:58:29] *** ecks sets mode: -m [02:58:36] <Cade> Comparison: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/WP:VOTE [02:58:39] now, Cade, entertain the people [02:58:44] <Cade> Ah [02:58:53] <Cade> Peak Gethralkin: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Comprehensive_article_nominations/Ao_Var [02:59:41] "Wow, you went all out to attempt correcting my grammar. I take Masters-level composition and grammar classes at a major university, so I am pretty sure I know an appositive when I see it." [02:59:41] dang [02:59:54] <AV-6R7> Damn..... [03:00:19] I have over 300 confirmed kills. [03:00:45] <Brandon_Rhea> Can we save the WP:VOTE thing for when the meeting actually resumes? I'm sure there are people who have stepped away from their computer. And the idle chatter here is just going to bury everything you said and any questions that get asked. [03:01:00] yeah, it's being saved for that [03:01:01] <Toprawa> Yeah, we're going to resume in 60 seconds [03:01:10] <Toprawa> !hieverybody [03:01:10] <Nuku-Nuku> Hello, AV-6R7, Ayrehead02, Brandon_Rhea, Cade, CavalierOne, CC7567, ChanServ, CorellianPremier, Darth_Culator, ecks, exiledjedi, fetus, grunny, GT|away, Imperators_II, momoyome, Nuku-Nuku, ProfessorTofty, PurpleTentacle, Technobliterator, Tm_T, Toprawa, Tyber, and Zervonn !!! [03:01:14] <Toprawa> We're resuming in 60 seconds [03:01:41] <Cade> heh: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Trash_compactor/Template:GG [03:02:15] <Toprawa> Ok, ecks, are you finished presenting? [03:02:21] <CC7567> Cade, that is so confusing [03:02:22] Yeah, floor's open [03:02:42] <Cade> Repeating for clarity: [03:02:43] <Cade> [19:00] alright so VP:VOTE is a mess both from a formatting perspective and from a readability perspective [03:02:43] <Cade> [19:00] hence Tope and I (mostly Tope) have rewritten the entire thing [03:02:43] <Cade> [19:00] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Xd1358/test [03:02:43] <Cade> [19:00] There are really no changes to procedure, it's just a reformatting-for-clarity thing [03:02:44] <Cade> [19:01] if you're confused about what affects what, I made a neat table - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Xd1358/test3#WP:CON [03:02:49] <Cade> [19:01] any questions? fire away [03:03:01] <AV-6R7> Nope, I like it. [03:03:12] <Brandon_Rhea> Nice job making it look cleaner. [03:03:20] <CC7567> looks good to me [03:03:20] <Toprawa> Ok, cool, we'll open it up [03:03:22] <Cade> Never liked the layout, so yay [03:03:26] <CC7567> will the table be part of the new page? [03:03:31] I was even considering making QOTD a "fun vote" but I haven't been able to talk to Floyd so that's a thing for a later CT [03:03:41] I'm not sure, I didn't intend it to be [03:03:47] but I guess if people find it useful, why not? [03:03:53] <Brandon_Rhea> I wouldn't. Tables don't port well. [03:04:20] <CC7567> ecks, even if it isn't on the page, it wouldn't hurt to keep that user subpage around [03:04:25] <CC7567> *isn't on the policy page [03:04:31] yeah, I don't plan on deleting it [03:04:32] <AV-6R7> The page of failure. [03:04:35] <Brandon_Rhea> FWIW, I like the idea of making QOTD a fun vote too. [03:04:45] <Brandon_Rhea> So I'll definitely vote for that once that's proposed. [03:04:47] <Toprawa> Ok, this vote will not include the tables, then [03:05:04] <Toprawa> VOTE: Adopting rewrite of WP:VOTE (no tables) [03:05:06] <Toprawa> ~open [03:05:06] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open. [03:05:10] <ProfessorTofty> ~support [03:05:10] <PurpleTentacle> ProfessorTofty: Support vote counted. [03:05:12] ~support [03:05:12] <PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [03:05:12] <Toprawa> ~support [03:05:12] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [03:05:13] <AV-6R7> ~support [03:05:13] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted. [03:05:13] <CavalierOne> ~support [03:05:13] <PurpleTentacle> CavalierOne: Support vote counted. [03:05:14] <Ayrehead02> ~support [03:05:14] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [03:05:15] <CorellianPremier> ~support [03:05:15] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted. [03:05:17] <CC7567> ~support [03:05:17] <PurpleTentacle> CC7567: Support vote counted. [03:05:18] <Imperators_II> ~support [03:05:18] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators_II: Support vote counted. [03:05:21] <Darth_Culator> ~support [03:05:21] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [03:05:25] ~support [03:05:25] <PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [03:05:28] <Cade> ~support i keep hitting the blasted exclamation point [03:05:28] <PurpleTentacle> Cade: Support vote counted. [03:05:41] <Toprawa> Same, Cade [03:05:44] <Toprawa> Closing in 10 [03:05:55] <Toprawa> ~close [03:05:55] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed. [03:05:57] <Toprawa> ~tally [03:05:57] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 12 [03:06:00] <Toprawa> Motion passes, 12-0 [03:06:06] <Toprawa> Did you want to propose side things, ecks? [03:06:22] I think I'm good for now [03:06:35] I want to run the QOTD thing over with Floyd since he manages the page [03:06:39] <Toprawa> Sure [03:06:41] so I'll just leave it for a CT [03:06:59] <Toprawa> Ok...

[03:07:03] <Toprawa> Trayus would be up, but he's not here [03:07:06] *** ecks sets mode: +m [03:07:08] <Toprawa> So, on to Cade [03:07:19] <Cade> \o/ [03:07:23] <Cade> Alrighty then [03:07:51] <Cade> Basically, I want to add a new subsection under the notability policy for battle droids [03:07:59] <Cade> "Articles may only be granted to unidentified battle droids who play a significant plot role or who have significant dialogue." [03:08:13] <Darth_Culator> OH GOD YES [03:08:16] <Darth_Culator> sorry [03:08:31] <Cade> This will then give us official grounds to take a TC-look at http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Unidentified_B1_battle_droids [03:08:53] <Cade> So, droids like this? http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_B1_battle_droid_(Citadel) [03:08:57] <Cade> Not notable. [03:09:10] <Cade> Droids like this? [03:09:11] <Cade> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_631_model_B1_battle_droid [03:09:19] <Cade> Maybe-keep. [03:09:37] <Cade> The various T-series tactical droids serve plot roles. [03:10:12] <Cade> Note that like the Dante laws for species, these are only grounds for discussion in TC, not an outright Mofference declaration that we're deleting all of them. [03:10:18] <Cade> And that's it. [03:10:20] *** ecks sets mode: -m [03:10:21] Roger Roger [03:10:30] <Brandon_Rhea> "Significant" is subjective. Although you've provided examples, can you define what it means in the policy itself? [03:10:31] <AV-6R7> K. [03:10:44] <Toprawa> Significant is meant to be subjective [03:10:50] case-by-case basis [03:10:51] <Toprawa> We determine things through the TC on a case-by-case basis [03:10:53] <Toprawa> That's the whole point [03:10:54] <CC7567> per ecks [03:10:54] instead of dialogue = article [03:10:55] <Cade> ^^^ [03:11:04] <Toprawa> Because it's silly to try to apply one overarching rule to everything [03:11:09] <Toprawa> There are always exceptions to the rule [03:11:31] I'm tempted to just but Unidentified B1 battle droid in batchdelete [03:11:38] <Darth_Culator> DO IT [03:11:50] <Toprawa> The TC forums will set the precedent for what significant means [03:11:51] <Cade> How do you think I felt when I made that category? :P [03:11:55] <Toprawa> That's democracy in action, bitches [03:11:56] <Brandon_Rhea> The notability policy doesn't actually say anything about TCs (unless I missed something) so someone trying to get an understanding of this policy isn't going to automatically know that it leads to TC. [03:11:59] <Brandon_Rhea> They just see vague language. [03:12:00] <Cade> Per Tope. Just like the species TCs. [03:12:42] <Toprawa> No one who doesn't understand how the TC works reads our policy pages anyway [03:12:52] <Toprawa> They're essentially our own internal set of rules [03:13:24] <Brandon_Rhea> Yet we just passed a voting policy amendment aimed at making things clearer for people. [03:13:30] <Cade> The notability policies aren't stopping people from creating articles; they're giving us grounds to TC/delete them. [03:13:30] <Toprawa> Ok, Brandon [03:13:38] <Toprawa> Since you're going to try and obstruct everything we propose here tonight [03:13:44] <Toprawa> Is there anything else from anyone? [03:13:46] anyone curious about the definition of "significant" on VP:NP will find the talk page of either the policy or an admin's talk page or the SH [03:13:49] <Brandon_Rhea> Wow [03:13:59] <Brandon_Rhea> Sorry, didn't know that we were shutting down different opinions here. [03:14:04] <Brandon_Rhea> Gonna bow out of this Mofference now. [03:14:10] <Toprawa> Like you do on every CT? [03:14:13] <Cade> Guys [03:14:18] <CC7567> let's keep it civil, please [03:14:18] <Cade> That's enough. Take it offline. [03:14:24] <ProfessorTofty> I think all Brandon's really saying is that it might be nice to add a bit into the wording that it would send it to the trash compactor. [03:14:34] <ProfessorTofty> I can see that. [03:14:38] <AV-6R7> ^ [03:14:40] <Cade> Okay, then give me a minute. [03:14:41] <Toprawa> It's a pointless addition [03:14:43] <Toprawa> The TC is the TC [03:14:48] There's no reason to do that. [03:15:00] <Toprawa> That's the definition of notability rules [03:15:04] <Toprawa> If something doesn't mean notability, it gets deleted [03:15:11] <Cade> Actually, yeah [03:15:13] <Toprawa> We don't need to explain this on every section of the notability policy page [03:15:17] The notability policy already has a lot of rules with references to subjective things [03:15:21] <Cade> As I said: the notability policies aren't stopping people from creating articles; they're giving us grounds to TC/delete them. [03:15:48] <Ayrehead02> I'm pretty indifferent either way on mentioning TCs but the policy is definitely good [03:16:01] <AV-6R7> ^ [03:16:21] <ProfessorTofty> Yeah, I'm starting to feel the same way. And I definitely agree with the policy, especially after seeing all those battle droid articles. [03:16:24] <Cade> Alright, then [03:16:27] <Toprawa> The Notability rules have existed in perfect operation for several years now [03:16:37] <Toprawa> We've never needed a TC mention in them [03:16:39] <Toprawa> And we don't now [03:16:50] <Cade> Opening the vote [03:16:52] <Cade> VOTE: Addition of the battle droid clause to the notability policy [03:16:52] <Toprawa> Everyone appears to be clear on the proposal [03:16:54] <Toprawa> Cade [03:16:56] <Cade> >_> [03:17:02] <Cade> ~open [03:17:02] <PurpleTentacle> Cade: Voting is open. [03:17:04] <ProfessorTofty> ~support [03:17:04] <PurpleTentacle> ProfessorTofty: Support vote counted. [03:17:06] <CorellianPremier> ~support [03:17:06] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted. [03:17:07] <Darth_Culator> ~support [03:17:07] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [03:17:08] <Cade> ~support [03:17:08] <AV-6R7> ~support [03:17:08] <PurpleTentacle> Cade: Support vote counted. [03:17:08] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted. [03:17:08] <CC7567> ~support [03:17:08] <Imperators_II> ~support [03:17:09] <PurpleTentacle> CC7567: Support vote counted. [03:17:09] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators_II: Support vote counted. [03:17:09] <Ayrehead02> ~support [03:17:09] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [03:17:11] <CavalierOne> ~support [03:17:11] <Toprawa> ~support [03:17:11] <PurpleTentacle> CavalierOne: Support vote counted. [03:17:11] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [03:17:14] <Darth_Culator> ~support twice [03:17:14] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Your vote has been changed to support. [03:17:26] ~support [03:17:26] <PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [03:17:38] ~support [03:17:38] <PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [03:17:53] ~support [03:17:53] <PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [03:18:07] <Toprawa> Closing in 10 [03:18:18] <Toprawa> ~close [03:18:18] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed. [03:18:22] <Toprawa> ~tally [03:18:22] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 13 [03:18:27] <Toprawa> Motion passes, 13-0 [03:18:31] roger roger [03:18:34] <Darth_Culator> KILL [03:18:36] <Toprawa> ecks, please silence them

[03:18:37] *** ecks sets mode: +m [03:18:44] <Toprawa> Tofty, you have the floor [03:18:56] *** Darth_Culator sets mode: +v ProfessorTofty [03:18:57] *** ecks sets mode: +v ProfessorTofty [03:19:23] <ProfessorTofty> Alright. Well, I have two things regarding the spoilers in relation to the new films. The first part, really, I don't think even really requires a vote necessarily. So I'll just put it there and then we can open it up for a bit... [03:19:56] <Toprawa> Would you prefer to do this in two parts? [03:20:01] <ProfessorTofty> Yeah. [03:20:03] <Toprawa> Ok [03:21:24] <ProfessorTofty> Our spoiler policy states that spoiler tags related to a particular release are to be up for one month. However, for The Force Awakens, once the month was up, there was great resistance to taking them down in certain quarters and, in fact, right now, they're still up on many pages, including the unique VII template on pages it's actually not supposed to be. There's no doubt the film was popular, but it's been well over [03:21:52] <ProfessorTofty> I say full on, kill all remaining spoiler tags where they still are. Replace them with majorspoiler if needed if there's spoilers from another product that has been released since the film came out. [03:22:10] <ProfessorTofty> It's not even in the top 10 anymore. It's time. [03:22:26] <Toprawa> (Let us know when you're done) [03:22:43] <ProfessorTofty> I think that's all I have to say about that really, but I wanted to hear people's thoughts. [03:22:47] *** ecks sets mode: -mv ProfessorTofty [03:22:54] <Cade> Sounds good [03:22:55] yep, take 'em down [03:22:57] <CC7567> I don't have any problems with removing them [03:23:07] <Toprawa> The rule is defined, so we don't need to vote on taking down the templates [03:23:08] <AV-6R7> Kill them with extreme prejudice. [03:23:13] <Darth_Culator> Wookieepedia is spoilers. [03:23:15] <Darth_Culator> Deal. [03:23:16] <ProfessorTofty> Oh, and also, remove the bit about how we're experiencing an influx of spoilers from the community announcements. [03:23:18] <Toprawa> As much as people might want to complain, anyone is within their rights to remove them [03:23:56] <Cade> If I have time I might be able to whip up a sort of spoiler template sitenotice-style (in that it goes away on all pages if you hit dismiss) [03:24:04] <Cade> I don't know, it's worth a look. [03:24:07] <Toprawa> Everyone seems to be in general agreement for removing them, and since we don't need a vote for this, I'll throw it back to Tofty for his second part [03:24:11] <ProfessorTofty> Might not be a bad idea. [03:24:15] <Toprawa> ecks, please silence [03:24:16] <ProfessorTofty> Okay, I'm ready. [03:24:20] *** ecks sets mode: +m [03:24:28] *** ecks sets mode: +v ProfessorTofty [03:24:54] <ProfessorTofty> Alright, the second part is this. Overall, I think despite the fact that it creeped onto some pages where it really shouldn't have been, like Han Solo, the VIIspoiler template has been a success... [03:26:12] <ProfessorTofty> Therefore, I propose that we formalize that such a template will be used for future films, be they "Rogue One", "Episode VIII," etc., once those films have been released. Additionally, since there was such a resistance in the removal of spoiler tags, I propose a time of two months for future spoilers related to these major films. That seems to be about the petering-out point when it comes to the major box office. [03:26:38] <ProfessorTofty> That's all I have to say about that, pending discussion. [03:26:44] *** ecks sets mode: -mv ProfessorTofty [03:26:47] <AV-6R7> I like it. [03:26:49] <Cade> Sounds good [03:26:49] I think this is a good idea [03:27:25] <Ayrehead02> Yup I fully agree. [03:27:33] <Toprawa> Instead of creating a new template for every film, can we set up one template that we can modify for each new film? [03:27:33] <CC7567> sounds good [03:27:39] <AV-6R7> I assume we will retire the tag after the spoiler period ends. [03:27:42] <Toprawa> It just seems unnecessary to create countless templates [03:28:02] <ProfessorTofty> A modifiable template? I don't see why not. [03:28:04] I don't mind that [03:28:07] yep, we can do that [03:28:09] <Toprawa> We can use a new image and message on it each time [03:28:11] <CC7567> that would be more efficient [03:28:23] <Ayrehead02> No point keeping around expired templates [03:28:23] <AV-6R7> Filmspoiler or Moviespoiler [03:28:23] <CC7567> like Template:Filmspoiler or something [03:28:23] <Cade> [03:28:24] <CorellianPremier> sounds great [03:28:30] <Toprawa> Yeah [03:28:34] <AV-6R7> Even better. [03:28:35] <ProfessorTofty> Yeah, Moviespoiler would be a good name. Or Filmspoiler. [03:29:07] <Toprawa> Ok, we'll open up the vote [03:29:37] <ProfessorTofty> Sounds good. [03:29:44] <Toprawa> VOTE: Adopt creation and use of ; movie spoiler template will be in effect for two months following film's US release (as is standard for our current spoiler policy) [03:29:48] <Toprawa> ~open [03:29:48] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open. [03:29:51] <AV-6R7> ~support [03:29:51] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted. [03:29:53] <ProfessorTofty> ~support [03:29:53] <PurpleTentacle> ProfessorTofty: Support vote counted. [03:29:53] <CC7567> ~support [03:29:53] <PurpleTentacle> CC7567: Support vote counted. [03:29:55] <Cade> ~support [03:29:55] <PurpleTentacle> Cade: Support vote counted. [03:29:55] ~support [03:29:55] <Toprawa> ~support [03:29:55] <PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [03:29:55] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [03:29:57] <CorellianPremier> ~support [03:29:57] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted. [03:29:58] <CavalierOne> ~support [03:29:58] <PurpleTentacle> CavalierOne: Support vote counted. [03:29:58] ~support [03:29:58] <PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [03:30:03] <Ayrehead02> ~support [03:30:03] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [03:30:03] ~support [03:30:03] <PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [03:30:04] <Darth_Culator> ~meh [03:30:10] <Darth_Culator> ~support [03:30:10] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [03:30:33] <Toprawa> Closing in 10 [03:30:42] <Toprawa> ~close [03:30:42] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed. [03:30:43] <Toprawa> ~tally [03:30:43] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 12 [03:30:46] <Toprawa> Motion passes, 12-0

[03:30:57] <Toprawa> Ok, item 8, Toprawa [03:31:00] *** ecks sets mode: +m [03:31:10] <Toprawa> This will be a multi-part vote, for which I apologize [03:31:20] <Toprawa> I started pulling strings, and one thing led to another [03:31:25] <Toprawa> But I'll try to keep it as simple as I can [03:31:56] <Toprawa> For starters, it's probably best that everyone opens up the FAN, GAN, and CAN pages, which I'll link for you: [03:32:01] <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia%3AFeatured_article_nominations [03:32:05] <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia%3AGood_article_nominations [03:32:09] <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia%3AComprehensive_article_nominations [03:32:12] <Toprawa> Scroll down to the rules [03:33:30] <Toprawa> It occurred to me recently that there isn't actually any rule on either of these pages stating that nominations need to be comprehensive, which should come as a surprise to all of us, since that's like the one golden rule of writing articles [03:34:22] <Toprawa> I think this rule intended to mean this, but it's really kind of vague, and I wouldn't have necessarily understood it to mean that: "âŠhave significant information from all sources and appearances, especially a biography for character articles. " [03:34:38] <Toprawa> So I'm proposing we do the following: [03:35:01] <Toprawa> FAN, GAN, and CAN Rule 1 will now read: "...be well-written and comprehensively detailed." [03:35:24] GAN has "âŠhave comprehensive detail with all information covered from all sources and appearances." [03:36:04] <Toprawa> Let me finish :P [03:36:54] * grunny goes back to his corner ;) [03:37:50] <Toprawa> In adopting this proposal, this will render moot FAN Rule 9, which I quoted for you above; GAN Rule 9, which grunny correctly quoted for us, forgive me for my minor error; and CAN Rule 8 [03:38:22] <Toprawa> GAN does state comprehensiveness, grunny if correct, but I think we would agree that that whole wording is rather confusing [03:38:47] <Toprawa> "covered from all sources and appearances" has led more than one person in the past to question whether they literally needed to reference every single item in the Sources list, whether or not there was new info from that item [03:39:14] <Toprawa> Ok, that's Part 1 [03:39:16] <Toprawa> eks [03:39:17] <Toprawa> ecks* [03:39:20] <Cade> secks [03:39:24] *** ecks sets mode: -m [03:39:31] <Cade> Sounds good [03:39:35] <Imperators_II> sounds good to me. Kill CAN rule 8 [03:39:35] clarity is good [03:39:38] <CC7567> this is slightly related, but what's the difference between Rule 3 and Rule 9 on the FAN? [03:39:40] <AV-6R7> Make sense to standardize. [03:39:41] <Toprawa> Basically, we're trimming the wording and rules down to make it more clear [03:39:46] <CC7567> and corresponding copies on the GAN and CAN [03:40:00] <ProfessorTofty> Just making things more clear and consistent. Works for me. [03:40:01] <CC7567> they sound redundant to me [03:40:05] <Toprawa> CC, I will come to that in a subsequent part [03:40:10] <CC7567> oh okay :3 [03:40:18] <Toprawa> Don't worry :P [03:40:19] this Mofference has resulted in around 300 Wookieepedia tabs [03:40:43] <AV-6R7> We should also amend this part of the FAN article: "Every day the next article in the queue will be highlighted on the Main Page as featured, marked with the template and removed from the list of nominations. The beginning of the article then appears on the Main Page via the  template." [03:40:44] <Imperators_II> and some of them about the items of the agenda [03:40:51] <Toprawa> So, to reiterate, we're turning FAN, GAN, and CAN Rule 1 into "COMPREHENSIVE" detail and removing FAN Rule 9, GAN Rule 9, and CAN Rule 8 [03:40:55] <Cade> It'd be nice if we could just start from scratch and have all three lists the same except for anything unique [03:40:56] <AV-6R7> Since we don't actually use that anymore. [03:40:59] <Cade> But this is good. [03:41:04] <Toprawa> AV-6R7, we're focusing on one part for now [03:41:06] <Cade> I bet that's one of his points, AV [03:41:31] <Toprawa> If I don't cover something someone wants to see, you're welcome to bring it up after [03:41:39] <AV-6R7> K [03:41:44] <Toprawa> I just want to focus on one part at a time, so this doesn't get confusing [03:41:52] <Toprawa> Ok, everyone clear? [03:41:55] <CC7567> yup [03:41:56] <Toprawa> On the proposal [03:41:56] <ProfessorTofty> Yeah. [03:42:00] <Imperators_II> let's do this [03:42:20] <Toprawa> Quoting myself one more time, VOTE: We're turning FAN, GAN, and CAN Rule 1 into "COMPREHENSIVE" detail and removing FAN Rule 9, GAN Rule 9, and CAN Rule 8 [03:42:25] <Toprawa> ~open [03:42:25] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open. [03:42:27] <Cade> ~support [03:42:27] <PurpleTentacle> Cade: Support vote counted. [03:42:29] ~support [03:42:29] <PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [03:42:31] <Ayrehead02> ~support [03:42:31] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [03:42:31] ~support [03:42:31] <PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [03:42:32] <AV-6R7> ~support [03:42:32] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted. [03:42:33] <CavalierOne> ~support [03:42:33] <Toprawa> ~support [03:42:33] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [03:42:33] <PurpleTentacle> CavalierOne: Support vote counted. [03:42:34] ~support [03:42:34] <PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [03:42:36] <Imperators_II> ~support [03:42:36] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators_II: Support vote counted. [03:42:36] <Darth_Culator> ~support [03:42:36] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [03:42:38] <CC7567> ~support [03:42:38] <PurpleTentacle> CC7567: Support vote counted. [03:42:40] <CorellianPremier> ~support [03:42:40] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted. [03:42:55] <ProfessorTofty> ~support [03:42:55] <PurpleTentacle> ProfessorTofty: Support vote counted. [03:43:08] <Toprawa> Closing in 10 [03:43:22] <Toprawa> ~close [03:43:22] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed. [03:43:24] <Toprawa> ~tally [03:43:24] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 13 [03:43:26] <Toprawa> Motion passes, 13-0

[03:43:29] <Toprawa> Part 2 [03:43:38] *** ecks sets mode: +m [03:44:17] <Toprawa> As CC brought up, FAN, GAN, and CAN Rule 3 all state: "âŠbe sourced with all available sources and appearances." [03:44:38] <Toprawa> I've been reviewing articles on these pages since 2007, and I don't even know what that's supposed to mean exactly [03:44:54] <Toprawa> So I'm proposing we turn it into something that it should mean [03:45:17] <Toprawa> Namely, that Appearances and Sources lists be comprehensive, which, by the way, is a Layout Guide rule [03:45:41] <Toprawa> FYI, some of our nomination page rules are repeats of our MOS and LG rules just so nominators are clear on certain points [03:46:13] <Toprawa> I propose we turn FAN, GAN, and CAN Rule 3 into this: "...have comprehensive Appearances and Sources lists." [03:46:15] <Toprawa> ecks [03:46:18] *** Cade sets mode: -m [03:46:21] <Cade> hah [03:46:24] <Cade> Support [03:46:31] <AV-6R7> ^ [03:46:32] <Imperators_II> couldn't this just fall under the new Rule 1 [03:46:41] <Toprawa> Not necessarily [03:46:54] <Toprawa> Rule 1 refers to article text in the in-universe portions of the page [03:47:00] <Cade> Not all sources have unique info. [03:47:00] <Toprawa> This is specifically about the Appearances and Sources lists [03:47:04] <CC7567> ^ [03:47:28] <ProfessorTofty> Personally, I never found the previous wording all that vague myself, but I don't see why not. [03:47:52] <Toprawa> The problem is that "sourced" is a term with multiple meanings for us [03:47:54] clarity is good [03:47:59] <Toprawa> It can mean both referencing and populating Sources lists [03:48:13] <Toprawa> Which aren't synonymous [03:48:13] <Imperators_II> Rule 1 actually doesn't say anything about in-universe or out-of-universe sections, but I won't argue this any further. [03:48:32] doesn't hurt to be specific anyway, even if they overlap, since it makes it clearer [03:48:53] <Toprawa> Ok, I'm opening it up [03:49:03] <Toprawa> VOTE: FAN, GAN, and CAN Rule 3 becomes: "...have comprehensive Appearances and Sources lists" [03:49:05] <Toprawa> ~open [03:49:05] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open. [03:49:05] ~support [03:49:06] <PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [03:49:08] <AV-6R7> ~support [03:49:08] <CC7567> ~support [03:49:08] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted. [03:49:08] <PurpleTentacle> CC7567: Support vote counted. [03:49:09] <Cade> ~support [03:49:09] <PurpleTentacle> Cade: Support vote counted. [03:49:09] ~support [03:49:09] <PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [03:49:13] ~support [03:49:13] <PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [03:49:13] <Toprawa> ~support [03:49:14] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [03:49:14] <CavalierOne> ~support [03:49:14] <PurpleTentacle> CavalierOne: Support vote counted. [03:49:15] <Imperators_II> ~support [03:49:15] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators_II: Support vote counted. [03:49:15] <CorellianPremier> ~support [03:49:15] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted. [03:49:19] <ProfessorTofty> ~support [03:49:19] <PurpleTentacle> ProfessorTofty: Support vote counted. [03:49:19] <Darth_Culator> ~support [03:49:19] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [03:49:38] <Toprawa> Closing in 10 [03:49:49] <Toprawa> ~close [03:49:49] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed. [03:49:51] <Toprawa> ~tally [03:49:51] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 12 [03:49:54] <Toprawa> Motion passes, 12-0

[03:49:56] <Toprawa> Part 3 [03:50:06] *** ecks sets mode: +m [03:50:19] <Toprawa> The image rule for nominations [03:50:31] <Toprawa> I feel that it's rather archaic [03:51:02] <Toprawa> FAN Rule 16, for example: "âŠinclude a reasonable number of images of sufficient quality to illustrate the article, if said images are available. " [03:51:25] <Toprawa> We've progressed to the point technologically and in our userbase where it's almost a crime not to upload things in as high quality as possible [03:51:42] <Toprawa> Virtually everyone has access to high-quality, high-resolution comic scans and Blu-ray film images [03:51:52] !laws [03:51:52] * Nuku-Nuku would like to remind everyone that Wookieepedia supports all applicable copyright laws. [03:52:02] <Toprawa> If anyone can't get something in certain high quality, we have more than enough people who can [03:52:08] <Toprawa> It's a simple matter of making an image upload request [03:52:48] <Toprawa> I'm going to propose that we amend the nomination rules and add something to Wookieepedia:Layout Guide#Images [03:53:03] <Toprawa> This will go in that section of the LG: [03:53:10] <Toprawa> "Images placed in articles must be as high quality as possible, as source availability and technical restraints permit. For example, certain leeway may be granted to video game screenshots, which present particular difficulty for obtaining high-resolution images." [03:53:40] <Toprawa> FAN Rule 16, GAN Rule 16, and CAN Rule 13 would now read: [03:53:48] <Toprawa> "...include a reasonable number of images of the highest quality to illustrate the article, as source availability permits" [03:53:54] <Toprawa> ecks [03:53:58] *** ecks sets mode: -m [03:54:19] <Cade> yes [03:54:25] if this is fine from a fair use perspective then I'm ok with it [03:54:26] <CC7567> it codifies something that we basically do in practice [03:54:34] <Toprawa> It is, ecks [03:54:35] <Darth_Culator> NO LEEWAY [03:54:36] <Darth_Culator> If I can capture images from KOTOR in 4K resolution, then everyone else should too. [03:54:49] <Toprawa> I was actually referring to digital comic issues from Marvel.com and previously DH.com [03:54:49] 4K? What is this, 2015? [03:54:53] <Ayrehead02> Aside from Video games some of the old WEG books and stuff lack any decent scans [03:54:55] <Toprawa> Those are legal, even though some people pirate them [03:55:17] <Toprawa> Ayrehad> I, Cav, or Culator, just to name three people, can pretty much scan anything from any WEG book [03:55:21] <Darth_Culator> Anyone who needs a WEG scan can just bug Cav. [03:55:25] <Darth_Culator> XD [03:55:26] <Toprawa> Just to give an example of how readily available this stuff is [03:55:29] * CavalierOne waves [03:55:30] <Toprawa> Ayrehead* [03:55:42] <Cade> And once my desktop's back, TOR screenshots are my bitch [03:55:44] <AV-6R7> Now if only someone could teach me how to scan comics and get Blu-ray shots. 'til then, its ripping from the internet for me. [03:56:08] I still think we need a Wookieepedia-run database for every piece of Star Wars media ever released [03:56:10] anyway, let's vote [03:56:13] <ProfessorTofty> From what I've heard, the PlayStation 4 easily takes shots from Blu-rays. But I don't have one. [03:56:19] <Ayrehead02> Ah cool I didn't realise. That was by no means an objection, just thought I'd point it out. [03:56:23] <Toprawa> No problem [03:56:28] <Toprawa> Ok, opening it up [03:56:38] <Toprawa> VOTE: Adopt proposed LG addition and new FAN, GAN, and CAN image rules [03:56:40] <Toprawa> ~open [03:56:40] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open. [03:56:42] <AV-6R7> ~support [03:56:42] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted. [03:56:43] <CC7567> ~support [03:56:43] <PurpleTentacle> CC7567: Support vote counted. [03:56:45] <ProfessorTofty> ~support [03:56:45] <PurpleTentacle> ProfessorTofty: Support vote counted. [03:56:47] <Toprawa> ~support [03:56:47] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [03:56:48] <Ayrehead02> ~support [03:56:48] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [03:56:48] <Cade> ~support [03:56:48] <PurpleTentacle> Cade: Support vote counted. [03:56:48] ~support [03:56:49] <PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [03:56:49] ~support [03:56:49] <PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [03:56:50] <Darth_Culator> ~support [03:56:50] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [03:56:52] <CorellianPremier> ~support [03:56:52] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted. [03:57:08] <CavalierOne> ~support [03:57:08] <PurpleTentacle> CavalierOne: Support vote counted. [03:57:35] <Toprawa> Closing in 10 [03:57:48] <Toprawa> ~close [03:57:48] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed. [03:57:50] <Toprawa> ~tally [03:57:51] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 11 [03:57:54] <Toprawa> Motion passes, 11-0

[03:58:02] <Toprawa> Part 3, I think? [03:58:04] <Toprawa> I've lost count [03:58:08] <Cade> 4 [03:58:11] <Toprawa> heh [03:58:13] <Toprawa> This is the last one [03:58:29] *** ecks sets mode: +m [03:58:49] <Toprawa> FAN Rule 11 states, "âŠbe completely referenced for all available material and sources. See Wookieepedia:Sourcing for more information. " [03:59:09] <Toprawa> I think this should a) be clarified and b) moved up higher in the list to better reflect its importance [03:59:14] <Toprawa> Because on Wookieepedia, we source all the things [04:00:00] <Toprawa> Thus, FAN, GAN, and CAN Rule 4 (all other rules will be moved down one) would now read: "...be fully referenced. See Wookieepedia:Sourcing for more information." [04:00:11] <Toprawa> This will replace FAN Rule 11, GAN Rule 10, and CAN Rule 9 [04:00:17] <Toprawa> ecks [04:00:21] *** ecks sets mode: -m [04:00:34] <Cade> Yep [04:00:41] yes [04:00:42] <CC7567> sounds good [04:00:45] <Imperators_II> nice [04:00:52] <AV-6R7> I like it. [04:00:55] <Darth_Culator> SOURCE ALL THE THINGS [04:00:59] <Ayrehead02> Looks good [04:01:10] <AV-6R7> All things must be sourced! [04:01:31] <Toprawa> Ok, opening up the vote, since we're running past two hours now [04:01:33] <Toprawa> ~open [04:01:33] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open. [04:01:35] <CC7567> ~support [04:01:36] <PurpleTentacle> CC7567: Support vote counted. [04:01:38] <AV-6R7> ~support [04:01:38] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted. [04:01:40] <Toprawa> ~support [04:01:40] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [04:01:40] ~support [04:01:40] <PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [04:01:43] <Darth_Culator> ~support ALL THE THINGS [04:01:43] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [04:01:43] <CavalierOne> ~support [04:01:43] <PurpleTentacle> CavalierOne: Support vote counted. [04:01:46] <CorellianPremier> ~support [04:01:46] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted. [04:01:46] ~support [04:01:46] <PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [04:01:48] <ProfessorTofty> ~support [04:01:48] <PurpleTentacle> ProfessorTofty: Support vote counted. [04:01:51] <Imperators_II> ~support [04:01:51] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators_II: Support vote counted. [04:01:51] <Ayrehead02> ~support [04:01:51] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [04:02:11] <Toprawa> Closing in 10 [04:02:21] <Toprawa> ~close [04:02:21] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed. [04:02:22] <Cade> ~support [04:02:22] <PurpleTentacle> Cade: There is no open vote on this channel. [04:02:22] <Toprawa> ~tally [04:02:22] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 11 [04:02:24] <Cade> bah [04:02:28] <Toprawa> I'll count it, Cade [04:02:36] <Toprawa> Motion passes, 12-0

[04:02:54] <Toprawa> Moving along speedily... [04:02:59] *** ecks sets mode: +m [04:03:00] <Toprawa> Item 9, Toprawa [04:03:34] <Toprawa> I propose a new section to the Naming policy for Hutts [04:03:49] <Toprawa> It will fall under Characters#Hutts [04:04:02] <Toprawa> Proposal: "Use a Hutt's full clan name when provided (example: Jabba Desilijic Tiure). If a Hutt character does not have a clan name, omit the appellation "the Hutt" from the article title (example: Dorosii instead of Dorosii the Hutt)." [04:04:16] <Toprawa> This is how we do things already, but it should be codified, because always get stragglers [04:04:32] <Toprawa> Example: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dorosii_the_Hutt [04:04:38] <Toprawa> There's no reason this shouldn't be under "Dorosii" [04:04:40] <Toprawa> ecks [04:04:47] *** ecks sets mode: -m [04:04:54] <Cade> >_> [04:04:57] <Cade> Kilson [04:04:59] <Cade> Pie [04:05:01] <Cade> Support [04:05:05] <CC7567> all the memories [04:05:08] <Cade> hah [04:05:09] <CC7567> the proposal sounds good [04:05:12] <Imperators_II> yeah [04:05:12] #throwbacksaturday [04:05:15] <AV-6R7> Kill the Hutts. [04:05:16] yep it's good [04:05:22] <Cade> and the first vote is Lee asking for his own nomination to be archived [04:05:24] <Cade> Classic Lee [04:05:28] <Ayrehead02> I didn't realise this was even an issue I assumed it was obvious [04:05:39] <Darth_Culator> ^^ [04:05:45] <Toprawa> Ok, opening [04:05:47] <Darth_Culator> I'm amazed that article hasn't been moved already. [04:05:48] shh, Lee was a GAN veteran before you were even born, Cade [04:05:52] <Cade> Apparently Tranner had a thing about "the Hutt" [04:05:52] <Toprawa> VOTE: Adopt Naming policy amendment for Hutts [04:05:54] <Toprawa> ~open [04:05:54] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open. [04:05:54] ~support [04:05:54] <PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [04:05:56] <CC7567> ~support [04:05:56] <PurpleTentacle> CC7567: Support vote counted. [04:05:57] <Cade> ~support [04:05:57] <PurpleTentacle> Cade: Support vote counted. [04:05:58] <Toprawa> ~support [04:05:58] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [04:05:59] <AV-6R7> ~support [04:05:59] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted. [04:06:00] <CavalierOne> ~support [04:06:00] <PurpleTentacle> CavalierOne: Support vote counted. [04:06:01] <Ayrehead02> ~support [04:06:01] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [04:06:03] <Darth_Culator> ~support [04:06:03] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [04:06:03] ~support [04:06:03] <PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [04:06:03] <ProfessorTofty> ~support [04:06:03] <PurpleTentacle> ProfessorTofty: Support vote counted. [04:06:04] <Imperators_II> ~support [04:06:04] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators_II: Support vote counted. [04:06:05] ~support [04:06:05] <PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [04:06:07] <CorellianPremier> ~support [04:06:07] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted. [04:06:28] <Toprawa> Closing in 10 [04:06:38] <Toprawa> ~close [04:06:38] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed. [04:06:40] <Toprawa> ~tally [04:06:40] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 13 [04:06:43] <Toprawa> Motion passes, 13-0

[04:06:46] *** ecks sets mode: +m [04:06:47] <Toprawa> Moving along speedily... [04:06:57] <Toprawa> Dead external links [04:07:25] <Toprawa> Two Mofferences ago, we adopted a new rule for citing social media posts [04:07:35] <Toprawa> To quote those Mofference minutes... [04:07:37] <Toprawa> "Citing social media posts. When citing social media posts (Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, etc.) in articles, an accompanying screenshot of the post must be uploaded to Wookieepedia and linked in the reference itself. This is done to combat the high frequency with which social media posts containing critical information are permanently removed and not available through archives. " [04:08:02] <Toprawa> The lingering issue aside from this is that we still have the occasional dead external link that we simply cannot access information from [04:08:29] <Toprawa> Recently, a CAN was removed as failed because it couldn't satisfy the referencing requirements, because it had a dead external link, and we didn't know how to handle it [04:08:34] <Toprawa> So I'm proposing a system [04:09:11] <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia%3ASourcing#Rules [04:09:21] <Toprawa> As a sub-item to Rule 9, I propose the following addition: [04:09:31] <Toprawa> "The Wookieepedia community, particularly the article-reviewing panels through the article-nomination processes, may judge the validity of expired external links, including social media posts, that lack screenshots. The original URL must be provided in the reference, accompanied by a note indicating that its content has expired, such as ." [04:10:04] <Toprawa> Basically, we will make a judgment call on whether we can tell that the link was legit, which is usually pretty easy [04:10:33] <Toprawa> But let this be a reminder to all to either take screenshots of your shyte or quote the "quote" field in the Citeweb template so this never happens to you [04:10:40] <Toprawa> or use the quote field* [04:10:45] <Toprawa> ecks [04:10:46] *** ecks sets mode: -m [04:10:49] hmmmmmm [04:10:50] <Cade> yes [04:10:55] <Imperators_II> WHERE IS HANZO [04:10:55] I guess that's the best option [04:10:57] <AV-6R7> Full support. [04:11:00] <Darth_Culator> http://www.quickmeme.com/img/55/55d61397abfb84c6cf7dc3e13a8da768d7ebe111a9ff649f3b4e36bb990bc514.jpg [04:11:14] <Cade> Well, that's terrifying [04:11:18] we should just upload EVERYTHING used as sources [04:11:25] <CC7567> sounds good [04:11:26] but that's another discussion [04:11:27] <ProfessorTofty> Wikipedia has a dead link template that they use for deadlinks which also includes options for linking to the Internet Archive. We don't have anything like that do we? (Of course, not everything is on there.) [04:11:40] the thing is that internet archive doesn't work very well on social media [04:11:45] <Darth_Culator> Any time someone adds an external link, it should be mandatory to add an archive link to a permanent archive like WebCite. [04:11:46] <Toprawa> Some of our templates do, but not everything is archived on IA [04:11:48] <Toprawa> as ecks says [04:11:53] <Toprawa> Some shit is just gone forever [04:11:53] which is why we take screenshots [04:11:55] <Toprawa> Like SW.com pages [04:12:21] <Imperators_II> stupid web content [04:12:27] <Imperators_II> the proposal is good, though, I guess [04:12:31] <Toprawa> Culator, I'll let you propose that next if you wish [04:12:56] <Toprawa> This basically prevents people from being penalized for web content being removed [04:12:56] <AV-6R7> I wish they'd publish a book of every official social media post ever. [04:13:06] <AV-6R7> Best book ever. [04:13:14] VOTE NOW [04:13:15] <Toprawa> Particularly for people who go to access stuff that was killed before they even showed up onthe scene [04:13:23] <Toprawa> Opening [04:13:27] <Cade> Dammit I want brownies. Must. Resist. [04:13:31] <Toprawa> VOTE: WP:S addition for dead external links [04:13:33] <Toprawa> ~open [04:13:33] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open. [04:13:34] ~support [04:13:34] <PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [04:13:35] <CC7567> ~support [04:13:35] <PurpleTentacle> CC7567: Support vote counted. [04:13:35] <AV-6R7> ~support [04:13:35] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted. [04:13:35] <Cade> ~support [04:13:36] <PurpleTentacle> Cade: Support vote counted. [04:13:37] <Toprawa> ~support [04:13:37] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [04:13:37] <Darth_Culator> ~support [04:13:37] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [04:13:39] <CavalierOne> ~support [04:13:39] <PurpleTentacle> CavalierOne: Support vote counted. [04:13:41] <Imperators_II> ~support [04:13:41] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators_II: Support vote counted. [04:13:42] ~support [04:13:42] <PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [04:13:43] <CorellianPremier> ~support [04:13:43] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted. [04:13:44] <Ayrehead02> ~support [04:13:44] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [04:13:52] <Toprawa> Closing in 10 [04:14:02] <Toprawa> ~close [04:14:02] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed. [04:14:03] <ProfessorTofty> ~support [04:14:03] <PurpleTentacle> ProfessorTofty: There is no open vote on this channel. [04:14:09] <Toprawa> C'mon, people :P [04:14:12] <Toprawa> I'll count it [04:14:15] <ProfessorTofty> I got that in before you said "close." [04:14:15] ~support [04:14:15] <PurpleTentacle> grunny: There is no open vote on this channel. [04:14:22] <Toprawa> Grunny's too [04:14:24] <Toprawa> ~close [04:14:24] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: There is no open vote on this channel. [04:14:28] <Toprawa> ~tally [04:14:28] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 11 [04:14:31] <Toprawa> So that's actually 13-0

[04:14:42] <Toprawa> Moving along speedily [04:14:47] <Toprawa> Culator, did you want to jump in? [04:15:03] <Darth_Culator> I haven't really given it much thought. [04:15:14] <Toprawa> Ok, we'll move to ecks; you can think on it if you want in the meantime [04:15:19] <Darth_Culator> K [04:15:20] *** ecks sets mode: +m [04:15:35] pretty straightforward here [04:15:47] WP:Bots has been a proposed policy for god knows how long [04:16:06] it also contains a ton of irrelevant information [04:16:11] leftovers from wikipedia, basically [04:16:23] so here's WP:Bots, 2.0 - http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Xd1358/test1 [04:16:42] the only real change is that new bot flag requests should be made in the NB, not on the talk page of the policy [04:16:44] that's all [04:16:46] *** ecks sets mode: -m [04:16:48] <Cade> ALL SHALL BOW DOWN TO ROBOCADE OR PERISH IN THE FIRES OF DISNEYWIKI [04:16:59] <Cade> *ahem* [04:17:02] <CC7567> sounds good [04:17:08] <Cade> Also, I resent that RoboCade is listed last [04:17:16] <Cade> Ain't nobody got time for AJTD6 [04:17:28] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Bots here's the current version, for reference [04:17:37] should've thought about the alphabet when naming it, bitch [04:17:44] <Toprawa> Any bot-related questions before we vote? [04:17:54] <CC7567> nope [04:17:56] <Toprawa> Could have named it AAA-RoboCade [04:17:58] <AV-6R7> Nope. [04:18:04] <Toprawa> Then you'd be good [04:18:11] <Cade> I think RoboCade's actually dead at the moment [04:18:18] <Toprawa> VOTE: WP:BOTS rewrite plus NB method change [04:18:23] <Toprawa> ~open [04:18:23] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open. [04:18:25] <AV-6R7> ~support [04:18:25] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted. [04:18:26] ~support [04:18:26] <PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [04:18:27] <Toprawa> ~support [04:18:27] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [04:18:29] <Cade> ~support [04:18:29] ~support [04:18:29] <PurpleTentacle> Cade: Support vote counted. [04:18:29] <PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [04:18:30] <CorellianPremier> ~support [04:18:30] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted. [04:18:30] <Darth_Culator> ~support [04:18:30] ~support [04:18:30] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [04:18:30] <PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [04:18:33] <CC7567> ~support [04:18:33] <PurpleTentacle> CC7567: Support vote counted. [04:18:35] <CavalierOne> ~support [04:18:35] <PurpleTentacle> CavalierOne: Support vote counted. [04:18:37] <ProfessorTofty> ~support [04:18:37] <PurpleTentacle> ProfessorTofty: Support vote counted. [04:18:37] <Ayrehead02> ~support [04:18:37] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [04:18:44] <Cade> I don't think he's on this laptop, and the only working computer with the scripts is my work computer [04:18:56] One step closer to de-2005ificating the wiki [04:18:58] <Toprawa> So no one is actually going to perish by his hand [04:19:02] <Toprawa> Closing in 10 [04:19:14] <Toprawa> ~close [04:19:14] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed. [04:19:16] <Toprawa> ~tally [04:19:16] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 12 [04:19:18] <Cade> I'll just tell Byzantine that they wanted to be Facebook friends with him. He [04:19:20] <Toprawa> Motion passes, 12-0

[04:19:36] <Cade> He'll burn it all to the ground. [04:19:57] <Toprawa> Ok, we're moving on to non-agenda topics that people have [04:20:07] <Toprawa> We appreciate everyone's continued presence [04:20:12] <Toprawa> Culator has the floor [04:21:02] <Darth_Culator> OK, per my earlier thought. External links should be given permanence. So I propose we add this to Wookieepedia:Sourcing before rule 8. "When citing an external link, a permanent archival link must also be included in the citation template. WebCite is recommended for this purpose." [04:21:30] <Toprawa> Done? [04:21:38] <Darth_Culator> Yep. [04:21:42] <Toprawa> ecks [04:21:50] I'd prefer a local copy but if that's not legally speaking okay this is a good option [04:21:57] I didn't even mute it :P [04:22:14] <Toprawa> My only concern, I just thought of, is that I don't believe everything has a permanent archival link [04:22:18] <Toprawa> Particularly newer things [04:22:27] <Toprawa> Maybe just say "...if available"? [04:22:46] <ProfessorTofty> Yeah, "if available." [04:22:49] also I guess you could link the archive tool directly - http://www.webcitation.org/archive.php [04:22:59] <Darth_Culator> Hmm. Fair point. Yeah, " a permanent archival link must also be included in the citation template if available." [04:23:51] <Toprawa> Ok, any questions? [04:23:56] <Darth_Culator> Wait, before rule 9. Not 8. [04:24:05] <Darth_Culator> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Sourcing#Rules [04:24:28] I'm not really familiar with WebCite but how reliable is it? [04:24:50] <Darth_Culator> Pages I archived years ago are still up. I used it to save the sw.com blogs when they died. [04:24:51] can we expect it to not go down anytime this century? [04:24:58] alright, fair enough then [04:25:09] <Toprawa> That's actually a nice tool [04:25:13] <Toprawa> I didn't know it existed [04:25:45] <Toprawa> VOTE: Adopt WP:S rule for external links-permanent archival links [04:25:47] <Toprawa> ~open [04:25:47] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open. [04:25:48] Okay, so this applies to EVERY external link? [04:25:54] <Toprawa> ~close [04:25:54] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed. [04:26:06] <Darth_Culator> Except social media, which is addressed in the subsequent rule. [04:26:27] So we're gonna have to WebCite-ify all database links etc.? [04:26:36] <Toprawa> We should [04:26:44] Yeah, I agree. A lot of work but worth it in the end [04:26:45] <Toprawa> There are some original Databank pages that aren't on IA [04:26:49] <Toprawa> That info is completely lost [04:27:06] <Toprawa> Ok, we're voting [04:27:08] <Toprawa> ~open [04:27:08] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open. [04:27:09] <CC7567> ~support [04:27:09] <PurpleTentacle> CC7567: Support vote counted. [04:27:12] <AV-6R7> ~support [04:27:12] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted. [04:27:12] <Toprawa> ~support [04:27:12] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [04:27:14] <Imperators_II> ~support [04:27:14] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators_II: Support vote counted. [04:27:14] ~support [04:27:14] <PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [04:27:14] ~support [04:27:14] <PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [04:27:15] <CavalierOne> ~support [04:27:15] <PurpleTentacle> CavalierOne: Support vote counted. [04:27:16] <Darth_Culator> ~support [04:27:16] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [04:27:16] <CorellianPremier> ~support [04:27:16] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted. [04:27:29] <ProfessorTofty> ~support [04:27:29] <PurpleTentacle> ProfessorTofty: Support vote counted. [04:27:31] <Cade> ~support [04:27:31] <PurpleTentacle> Cade: Support vote counted. [04:27:41] <Ayrehead02> ~support [04:27:41] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [04:27:51] <Toprawa> Closing in 10 [04:27:57] ~support [04:27:57] <PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [04:28:05] <Toprawa> ~close [04:28:05] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed. [04:28:08] <Toprawa> ~tally [04:28:08] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 13 [04:28:09] <Darth_Culator> Anyway, at first this will pretty much just be enforced on status articles. We can come up with a mass-archival process later. [04:28:12] <Toprawa> Motion passes, 13-0

[04:28:22] <Toprawa> Does anyone have any other items? [04:28:29] <Toprawa> AV-6R7 was talking about FAN stuff [04:28:52] *** Joins: Supreme_Emperor (~chatzilla@wookieepedia/administrator/Supreme-Emperor) [04:28:52] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Supreme_Emperor [04:28:52] *** Nuku-Nuku sets mode: +o Supreme_Emperor [04:28:57] <Toprawa> Hey, SE [04:29:06] <AV-6R7> We should update the FAN and GAN pages to take into account our new Article Showcase feature. [04:29:07] <Toprawa> You might have one or two votes to participate in :P [04:29:14] <Supreme_Emperor> Evening gents [04:29:17] <Toprawa> Do you want the floor, AV? [04:29:21] evening Canada [04:29:21] <ProfessorTofty> Hiya, SE! Yeah, you missed most of it. [04:29:44] <AV-6R7> Sure, but I don't recall have any specific wording prepared. [04:30:17] <Toprawa> Well, since we're running long here, I'm going to skip you and come back to you if you have a set proposal you can think of [04:30:19] eh, not sure we need consensus to reword it anyway since the process itself has been passed in a vote [04:30:20] <Darth_Culator> Neither did I. If anyone else has any items, you can have five minutes. :P [04:30:24] <Toprawa> People live in Europe and need to sleep [04:30:29] <Toprawa> We're approaching three hours [04:30:32] can confirm, it's 4:30AM [04:30:46] <Imperators_II> per ecks

[04:30:49] <Toprawa> I actually had one more for all my FAN rules :P [04:30:52] <Toprawa> It's really quick and short [04:30:59] <AV-6R7> Fire away. [04:31:00] <Toprawa> FAN Rule 17: "âŠpass review by the Inquisitorius review panel. " [04:31:00] http://nooooooooooooooo.com/ [04:31:03] <Toprawa> Obvious and pointless [04:31:05] <Toprawa> Let's remove it [04:31:12] <Toprawa> ~open [04:31:12] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open. [04:31:16] ~support [04:31:16] <PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [04:31:19] <Cade> ~support [04:31:19] <PurpleTentacle> Cade: Support vote counted. [04:31:19] <Supreme_Emperor> ~support [04:31:19] <PurpleTentacle> Supreme_Emperor: Support vote counted. [04:31:21] <Toprawa> ~support [04:31:21] <AV-6R7> ~support [04:31:21] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [04:31:21] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted. [04:31:23] ~support [04:31:23] <PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [04:31:23] <ProfessorTofty> ~support [04:31:23] <PurpleTentacle> ProfessorTofty: Support vote counted. [04:31:30] <CorellianPremier> ~support [04:31:30] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted. [04:31:32] <Ayrehead02> ~support [04:31:32] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [04:31:41] <Darth_Culator> ~support [04:31:41] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [04:31:47] ~support [04:31:47] <PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [04:31:48] <CC7567> ~support [04:31:48] <PurpleTentacle> CC7567: Support vote counted. [04:31:55] <Toprawa> Closing in 10 [04:31:57] <Imperators_II> ~support [04:31:57] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators_II: Support vote counted. [04:32:07] <Toprawa> ~close [04:32:07] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed. [04:32:09] <Toprawa> ~tally [04:32:09] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 13 [04:32:13] <Toprawa> Motion passes, 13-0

[04:32:17] <Toprawa> AV, propose or die :P [04:32:28] <Toprawa> Otherwise we're finished, if no one else has anything [04:32:34] Voteban Cade [04:32:38] <AV-6R7> I got this. [04:32:40] <Cade> Bitch [04:32:41] <Cade> Please [04:32:45] <Toprawa> AV-6R7 has the floor [04:32:45] ~strongsupport [04:32:47] <Toprawa> ecks [04:32:48] *** ecks sets mode: +mv AV-6R7 [04:34:02] <AV-6R7> Awhile ago, we decided to replace our Feature Article and Good Article Feature on the main page with an article showcase feature due to the declining rate of FAN and GAN successes. (thank you bureaucracy) [04:34:16] <Darth_Culator> You're welcome! [04:34:21] <Toprawa> XD [04:35:11] <AV-6R7> However, our FAN and GAN pages have not yet been update to accomadate for this change. I don't believe this needs a vote, but it should updated. [04:35:28] *** Cade sets mode: -m [04:35:31] *** Cade sets mode: +m [04:35:32] <AV-6R7> Also, any status on that Featured Topic idea from a while back? [04:35:49] <Toprawa> (Let us know when you're done) [04:36:09] <AV-6R7> I am finished. [04:36:17] *** Cade sets mode: -m [04:36:20] <Toprawa> Ok, what exactly is your proposal? [04:36:21] <ProfessorTofty> I really don't see that it needs a vote either, if it's something we've already gone ahead and done anyway. [04:36:36] <Toprawa> What, specifically, needs to or will be changed? [04:37:07] <Cade> hah [04:37:09] <AV-6R7> "Every day the next article in the queue will be highlighted on the Main Page as featured, marked with the template and removed from the list of nominations. The beginning of the article then appears on the Main Page via the  template." [04:37:16] <Cade> Good god that's ancient. [04:37:23] <Toprawa> Ah, yeah, we can change that stuff [04:37:31] <Toprawa> We don't need to vote on that [04:37:43] <Cade> I *do* have an addition that might need to be voted on [04:37:44] <Toprawa> I meant to get everything that mentioned the queue when we got rid of it [04:37:57] <AV-6R7> Cool. [04:38:03] shut up Cade [04:38:06] <Cade> No you [04:38:10] <Cade> I shall take the floor

[04:38:17] <Toprawa> OK, we're moving on to Cade [04:38:18] <Toprawa> This is the LAST ITEM [04:38:22] you have 10 seconds [04:38:23] <Toprawa> Cade, speak [04:38:31] <CC7567> you actually have 5 seconds [04:38:37] <Cade> I'm comparing the F/G/CAN lists [04:38:51] <Cade> The FAN list needs GAN Rule #15. [04:38:57] <Cade> "include a "Behind the scenes" section for in-universe articles." [04:39:03] <Toprawa> Link or die [04:39:06] <Cade> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Good_article_nominations [04:39:10] <Cade> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia%3AFeatured_article_nominations [04:39:31] <Toprawa> Yeah, the FAN rules are quite 2007-ish [04:39:31] guess we can add that [04:39:34] <Cade> The FAN list doesn't require a BTS, unlike the others. [04:39:40] <Toprawa> We made sure to make things better for GAN, then never fixed the FAN [04:40:11] <Toprawa> Are we done talking? :P [04:40:14] <Darth_Culator> Hey, stuff happens. We've only had years to fix it. We'll get around to it eventually. [04:40:20] soonâ¢ [04:40:21] <Cade> Yes [04:40:22] <AV-6R7> ^ [04:40:23] yes, vote now [04:40:30] <Toprawa> VOTE: Add a BTS rule to FAN rules [04:40:32] <Toprawa> ~open [04:40:32] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is open. [04:40:36] <AV-6R7> ~support [04:40:36] <PurpleTentacle> AV-6R7: Support vote counted. [04:40:36] <Cade> ~support [04:40:36] <PurpleTentacle> Cade: Support vote counted. [04:40:36] <Supreme_Emperor> ~suppoer [04:40:37] <Imperators_II> ~support [04:40:37] <Darth_Culator> ~support [04:40:37] <PurpleTentacle> Imperators_II: Support vote counted. [04:40:37] <PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [04:40:37] ~support [04:40:37] <PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [04:40:38] <Toprawa> ~support [04:40:38] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [04:40:39] ~support [04:40:39] <PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [04:40:42] <CavalierOne> ~support [04:40:42] <PurpleTentacle> CavalierOne: Support vote counted. [04:40:43] <Supreme_Emperor> ~support [04:40:43] <PurpleTentacle> Supreme_Emperor: Support vote counted. [04:40:50] <CorellianPremier> ~support [04:40:50] <PurpleTentacle> CorellianPremier: Support vote counted. [04:40:59] <Toprawa> Closing in 10 [04:41:04] ~support [04:41:04] <PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [04:41:07] <ProfessorTofty> ~support [04:41:07] <PurpleTentacle> ProfessorTofty: Support vote counted. [04:41:09] <Ayrehead02> ~support [04:41:09] <PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [04:41:19] <Toprawa> ~close [04:41:19] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Voting is closed. [04:41:22] <Toprawa> ~tally [04:41:22] <PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support: 13 [04:41:27] <Toprawa> Motion passes, 13-0

[04:41:30] <Toprawa> This concludes the Mofference [04:41:32] <Cade> ugh. I ordered the brownies [04:41:33] <Cade> whyyyyy [04:41:37] <Toprawa> Thank you to everyone who showed up and stayed [04:41:39] Cade's on paperwork [04:41:41] !crazylaugh [04:41:41] <Nuku-Nuku> MWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! [04:41:44] <Cade> VHAT [04:41:52] good show [04:41:56] thanks for running it, Tope [04:42:00] <Toprawa> My pleasure [04:42:01] <Cade> ^ [04:42:03] <CC7567> thanks Tope [04:42:06] <Supreme_Emperor> Good last couple minutes :P