Wookieepedia:Good article nominations



This page is for the nomination of good articles. This is not a way to showcase the articles of your favorite characters, spaceships, or the like. For a list of good articles, see Category:Wookieepedia good articles.

What is a Good article?
A Good article is an article that adheres to quality standards, but cannot reach FA status due to its limited content.

A Good article has the following attributes.

1. It is well written. In this respect:


 * (a) it has compelling prose, and is readily comprehensible to non-specialist readers;
 * (b) it follows a logical structure, introducing the topic and then grouping together its coverage of related aspects; where appropriate, it contains a succinct lead section summarizing the topic, and the remaining text is organized into a system of hierarchical sections (particularly for longer articles);
 * (c) it follows the Manual of Style, Layout Guide, and all other policies;
 * (d) necessary technical terms or jargon are briefly explained in the article itself, or an active link is provided.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable. In this respect:


 * (a) it provides references to any and all sources used for its material;
 * (b) sources should be selected in accordance with the guidelines for reliable sources;
 * (c) it contains no elements of original research.

3. It is broad in its coverage, addressing all major aspects of the topic (this requirement is slightly weaker than the "comprehensiveness" required by WP:FA, and allows shorter articles and broad overviews of large topics to be listed);.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy. In this respect:


 * (a) viewpoints are represented fairly and without bias;
 * (b) all significant points of view are fairly presented, but not asserted, particularly where there are or have been conflicting views on the topic.

5. It is stable, i.e., it does not change significantly from day to day and is not the subject of ongoing edit wars. This does not apply to vandalism and protection or semi-protection as a result of vandalism.

6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic. In this respect:


 * (a) the images are properly sourced and have succinct and descriptive captions;
 * (b) a lack of images does not in itself prevent an article from achieving Good Article status.

Nomination of Good articles
To nominate an article for Good article status, list it here. Nominated articles must meet all six requirements stated above. If an article has a net total of five votes of support (+5) after at least a week since it was nominated (beginning the day of its nomination), the article will be considered a "Good article" and tagged with the template. The talk page will also be tagged with the GA template. For complete instructions on archiving nominations please see here.

(+3)
Support
 * 1) As nominator.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 22:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Toprawa and Ralltiir 02:33, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Goodwood  [[Image:Rebsymbol2.png|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 02:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Toprawa:
 * 2) * Source infobox completely.
 * 3) **I disagree that it needs to be sourced. One can tell simply by looking at the picture that she's a Human female. There was a phrase popular a while back: insulting the reader's intelligence. We may have a CT thread about this sort of thing. I'll see if I can find it. If not, and you really feel the rest should be sourced, I'll do it.
 * 4) * Alternately align images.
 * 5) **Did that.
 * 6) * Expand the intro. Not a lot of body text, but it's too short nonetheless.
 * 7) **How about it now?
 * 8) * I can't vote for this unless you rewrite the article so as to avoid referring to people by their first names throughout. Please refer to people using full names in their initial mention, and then last names only for all subsequent mentions. Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:14, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) **I should know better than that.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 20:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Round Two:
 * 1) * I've added a bit to the intro, but I would still like to see an explanation of her as a dual swordsman/woman, whatever. PC be damned.
 * 2) **Good advice.
 * 3) * You just said this in the line before, a bit redundant: "and was known as Drallig's finest pupil."
 * 4) **Fixed.
 * 5) * The use of the here strongly assumes that the reader knows what kind of creatures you're taking about. Don't rely on the pipelink to explain what you mean. "the two Jedi were forced to fight the dangerous creatures who..."
 * 6) **Fixed.
 * 7) * If this is happening on a ship, I'd rather like to see "bulkhead," perhaps, instead of "wall": "They were eventually defeated, but the Jedi were forced to break a wall"
 * 8) **Fixed.
 * 9) * Due to the way these sentences are ordered, this sentence seems like you're just repeating the one prior to it. However, it would sound better if you moved this one before the one previous. "Though she fought valiantly, her efforts proved fruitless as Vader backed her into the corner of the room."
 * 10) **Changed it.
 * 11) * I've reworded this slightly, getting rid of the "it," but please elaborate on how he's blocking and ducking an attack at the same time: "Vader managed to block the attack, and ducked away from the strike,"
 * 12) **Good catch.
 * 13) * Please see below per infobox sourcing. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:10, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) **Though I'm still not sure it's necessary, it's not important. Sourced it.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:56, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) ***Thank you, good sir. Toprawa and Ralltiir 02:33, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * Sorry the P&T is so short. She appears for five minutes in a video game and in a 20 page comic.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 22:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I do understand what you're saying for the introbox sourcing, but I don't believe this is self-sourcing or anything akin to it. If I may play devil's advocate, since this is written in an IU context, someone being a Human should be no different from them being a Wookiee, for example. Assume nothing is obvious. If she was a Wookiee, I suspect you would have sourced it without giving it a second thought. Why it should be sourced: how do I know that she's not a Human replica droid? How do I know she's not a cross-dresser? Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:10, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Any chance of getting a better picture for the infobox? Maybe a zoomed in one of the torso of the current picture? Greyman ( Talk ) 13:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

(+2)
Support
 * 1) -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 22:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) This thing isn't 1000 words? Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:37, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) * This is confusing. If he was from Carida, and raised on Carida, what then is his ancestral homeworld? "Vune Willic was brought up on the world of Carida, in the Colonies region of the galaxy, though he never visited his family’s ancestral homeworld"
 * 2) **Addressed.
 * 3) * Reword "homeworld" here. Moving to someplace new doesn't make it a new homeworld, IMO: "Loor allowed Willic several hours to get settled on his new homeworld"
 * 4) **Addressed.
 * 5) * Deducing is kind of a stilted word to use twice in one paragraph. Please reword: "after deducing that his grandfather"
 * 6) **Fixed.
 * 7) * I'm unclear as to his motive here. Did he know he was killing his grandfather? Did the whine tell him that his grandfather was in fact the "Rebel saboteur"? A little more clarification would be good. Any indication that his grandfather really was a Rebel agent? Or was this just a test of him? "As he prepared his sniper rifle, however, he was interrupted by the arrival of Korval. When he pointed the weapon in his grandfather's direction, the rifle began to whine; after deducing that his grandfather was the intended recipient of the rifle's powerful blaster bolt, he fired on his grandfather at close range without hesitation."
 * 8) **Clarified. It's not really clear either way if he was a Rebel or if it was a test; I'd be inclined to say both, but it's not stated or implicitly implied.
 * 9) * I would like to see a little extra added to this. In what capacity did they prove his guilt? In the court of law, for ex? Alone, since they are falsified, they don't prove his guilt, if you understand what I'm saying: "These videos proved that Villic was guilty"
 * 10) **Gotcha. Fixed it up.
 * 11) * Do me a favor and pipelink the correct name of the battle: "After they liberated Coruscant" Toprawa and Ralltiir 07:26, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) **Done. Thanks for the review. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 01:10, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) Quote in "Downfall" needs a source.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 20:51, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) *Whoops. Now sourced -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 21:40, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments

(+2)
Support
 * 1) -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 22:29, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Take this to FA. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:57, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Oppose Comments
 * 1) * Do we know why things went badly? Presumably not, but elaborate if we do: "Things on Mantooine did not go very well"
 * 2) **Nope, he started to explain to Crimson but never got a chance.
 * 3) * If he was never personally harmed by the Empire, but felt for those who were, this should be sympathy, not empathy: "Kaileel was a morally upright being who showed empathy towards the victims of the Empire that he had never met; though he admitted that the Empire had never harmed him personally"
 * 4) **Fixed.
 * 5) * Please reword one of these ship's': "he explicitly told the ship's captain that ship's"
 * 6) **Done.
 * 7) *Hah, I didn't realize I knew who this was and that I had read the story until about half-way through the article. Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:57, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) **Heh. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 02:03, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) From the Bridge of Chack Jadson:
 * 10) *You use "Kaileel" too many times in the intro. Otherwise good.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 20:35, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) **Axed a couple. Thanks, -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 20:38, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

(+3)
Support
 * 1) Imperialles 00:07, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Greyman ( Talk ) 16:17, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Nice job, Imp. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:24, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Toprawa:
 * 2) * Is there a reason why the article refers to him exclusively by his first name? For greater encyclopedic tone, please reword these instances to refer to him by his last name only in all subsequent mentions following the initial. I understand this may have been done to avoid confusion between George and Jar Jar, but since George is the obvious centerpiece of this article, referring to him almost exclusively as "Binks" will not create confusion.
 * 3) **Done. --Imperialles 00:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) * A few things here. First, "that" should be more appropriately reworded as "who"; "Captain" should not be capitalized in this instance. Please specify what he was a captain. It may serve better to move the captain into the next sentence, to say he was the owner and captain of his company, assuming that is the case: "George R. Binks was an Otolla Gungan whaler and Captain that operated and resided on Naboo. He was the owner of Binks & Son Whaling Company"
 * 5) **I removed the "captain" thing. It's not an official rank, it merely means that he commanded his own ship. --Imperialles 00:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) * What exactly is a "fateful whale"? "George R. Binks encountered a fateful whale"
 * 7) **Reworded. --Imperialles 00:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) * Please reword this. We have some idea of when he was born. You can say something like before the fall of the Republic, before whatever date Jar Jar was born, assuming we know that: "George R. Binks was born in Otoh Gunga on Naboo at an unknown point in time,"
 * 9) **Done. --Imperialles 00:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) * Please kill this red link. It shouldn't be that hard: "He eventually married another woman, not out of love"
 * 11) **Done. --Imperialles 00:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) * Please reword this so each clause doesn't end in it: "He attempted to harpoon it, but merely angered it"
 * 13) **Done. --Imperialles 00:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) * I would rather like to see this sentence arranged so that the parenthetical prose can be removed: "(a suicidal task due to the treacherous seas as well the distance involved)"
 * 15) **Dashes! --Imperialles 00:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 16) * Please change "that" to "who": "George R. Binks was an experienced whaler and sailor that took"
 * 17) **Done. --Imperialles 00:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 18) * The article could benefit from a BTS.
 * 19) **BTS added. --Imperialles 00:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 20) * Since you provide referencing for Jar Jar's birth, it would be best to go ahead and source the entire article, even though he has but one appearance
 * 21) **Done. --Imperialles 00:55, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 22) One more thing:
 * 23) * After looking at the link to their island, I see that he decided to name the piece of land after himself. Please make a mention of this in the article someplace. Toprawa and Ralltiir 05:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 24) **Done. --Imperialles 14:00, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments

(+2)
Support
 * 1) Lord Hydronium 07:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Elephanto 19:18, 3 March (UTC)
 * 3) By the way, I'm not Swedish. --Imperialles 22:39, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) *Rather than quantifying this timeframe with an individual, please replace Krayt with an actual date: "used in the time around the rise of Darth Krayt."
 * 2) **I drop a date in the sentence afterwards. I wanted to avoid using "130 ABY" too much, so I went with SOTG's wording.
 * 3) ***For greater comprehensibility for casual readers, I would really like to see the "130 ABY" moved into the opening sentence. "The rise of Darth Krayt" has no meaning to someone who doesn't know who he is. I've never read the Legacy stories, and I myself didn't even know who he was. Now imagine a more casual SW fan. Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) ****It's in the very next sentence. If the Krayt thing has no meaning to someone, then it's explained immediately. I don't think it flows nearly as well the other way, either. - Lord Hydronium 02:35, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) * This sentence is really saying nothing. Is any starfighter not maneuverable in atmosphere and vacuum? You could spice this up a little bit more with some more facts/descriptions. Was it particularly known for its maneuverability, as opposed to others? "It was a maneuverable fighter as well, in atmosphere or vacuum."
 * 6) **Added "particularly".
 * 7) * What does untreated mean? "...giving the ship its own "personality" if left untreated"
 * 8) **Clarified.
 * 9) * Please reword so each clause doesn't end with the same word: "The fighter was chiefly used in front-line combat, where it was a match for most fighters in one-on-one combat."
 * 10) **Changed.
 * 11) * Any target? Seems like an over-the-top generalization: "the X-83 could produce a high-energy blast that would destroy any target"
 * 12) **That's what the source says.
 * 13) ***Geez. :/
 * 14) * The BTS could really benefit from a picture of the Lockheed for comparison. Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) **Not much room for another image, but if you want to hold to this objection, I can try to fit one in. - Lord Hydronium 06:35, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 16) *I would really be against adding a picture of the Lockheed fighter from WWII. Simply because a) the article is not long enough to warrant more pictures, and b) it would set a dangerous precedent for adding similar OOU pictures to IU articles. To my knowledge and experience, we actually try to curb that, but of course as with everything it's up for discussion and the final say is up to LH and whether he sees the need to ultimately add the picture or not :) Greyman ( Talk ) 14:03, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 17) **Yeah, I'm not in favor of adding one either. - Lord Hydronium 21:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 18) ***I made this suggestion while looking at the article from the editing view. I agree that there is no room to fit one. As far as adding an OOU picture, I see Grey's point, and hadn't considered the ramifications. Bad idea. Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 19) ****After looking back over this, I would like to see another sentence added to BTS covering first appearance and what author created the ship. Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:08, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 20) *****First appearance is already stated. And we don't know who created it; could have been Ostrander, Duursema, or Cooke. - Lord Hydronium 02:35, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * The "Model" field is unsourced&mdash;you may want to look into that. --Imperialles 22:39, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

(+0)
Support
 * 1) AdmiralNick22 01:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Oppose'
 * Toprawa:
 * 1) *Hey, Nick. I'm glad to see you brought this over the GAN page. Here we can mold this thing into a sharp-looking article, and when more issues and more information comes out, you can try for the FA once it reaches 1000 words.
 * 2) **What is the total word count, at the moment? AdmiralNick22 03:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) ***I'm not sure. Copy your text into MS Word, if you have it. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:19, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) ****I did a count and it is just over 1000 words. Plus it was grow in length once Legacy #21 comes out next week. So minimum length will no longer be a problem. AdmiralNick22 21:06, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) * First of all, it's imperative that everything is sourced, the infobox included. Go through the article make sure that all information is properly cited by correct referencing, and that no paragraphs end without a reference tag at the end. Currently, I see 6 paragraphs that do not have complete sourcing.
 * 6) **Done. I just sourced the info box, as well as made sure each paragraph ends in a source.AdmiralNick22 03:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) * For cosmetic purposes, all article images should alternate from right to left down the sides of the page. Make sure you move the second image in the body to the right hand side.
 * 8) **Done. AdmiralNick22 03:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) * The succession box at the bottom of the page needs to be completely sourced, just like the infobox. You may wish to refer to other articles to get a sense of how to do this. I personally like the Raith Sienar article. Feel free to use that as a model.
 * 10) **Done. AdmiralNick22 03:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) *Once you finish these items, we can move into sharpening the prose. Toprawa and Ralltiir 02:24, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) **If you have no objections, I think we can move on to examining the prose. AdmiralNick22 21:06, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) *We'll go through this a section at a time.
 * 14) *You begin off the first section assuming the reader knows who and what Stazi is, apparently relying on what you have in the intro. When you start off the body, pretend the intro doesn't even exist and start out fresh. Describe who Stazi is, what species he is, etc. first, before going into the war.
 * 15) **I already say in the first paragraph that "Admiral Stazi was a prominent fleet commander, heading the Galactic Alliance Core Fleet, which was charged with protecting the capital world Coruscant and other key Core Worlds." Isn't that sufficent? AdmiralNick22
 * 16) *Explain what the Core Fleet is, what affiliation it has in addition to what you have
 * 17) **Same as above. I already refer to it as the "Galactic Alliance Core Fleet" and that it is designed to protect the Core. Not oly is that factual, but that is all we know at this point. AdmiralNick22 03:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 18) *Elaborate on why Caamas is so important that an attack is being formulated
 * 19) **Done. Excellent point, BTW. AdmiralNick22 03:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 20) *This clause is written as if you have previously explained what happened at the meeting, in which Stazi apparently disagreed with the plan. Elaborate on what happened to back this up: "Still wary of the battle plan proposed by Rear Admiral Piers Petan"
 * 21) **Done.
 * 22) *If possible, I would like to see a greater explanation of Stazi's role at the Battle of Caamas. And, explain how and why Veed gained this advantage: "Still wary of the battle plan proposed by Rear Admiral Piers Petan"
 * 23) **We don't know much about Stazi's exact actions at Caamas at this point, other than that he lead the fighting withdrawal and saved part of the fleet. Until #21 comes out, there is nothing more to add. AdmiralNick22 03:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 24) *Also, at the end of that paragraph, you end the last two sentences with the same word. Please reword to avoid this.
 * 25) **Done. AdmiralNick22 03:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 26) *"Legend" seems to imply a favorable, admirable connotation. Did they really feel this way? "His performance at Caamas made him a legend among the Empire"
 * 27) **My quote for the "Meeting on the Wheel" section backs this comment up. There is direct dialouge from a Imperial officer that he is a legend. AdmiralNick22 03:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 28) ***I suspect there is a mistake in that quote. Shouldn't "your" be "you're"? --Eyrezer 03:36, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 29) ****Fixed. AdmiralNick22 04:01, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 30) From the Bridge of Chack Jadson:
 * 31) *Expand the intro. I'll add more comments later.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 19:59, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 32) **Done. I expanded the intro to mention his command of the Core Fleet before the S-I War. AdmiralNick22 03:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * I was a bit premature in promoting Gar Staiz for featured status. However, thanks to kind and helpful feedback from several posters and Admins, I think that this is the place to start. I have added a few pictures, as well as increased the overall length. I plan to expand on some of the sections over the coming days as well. Please let me know any advice/opinions you have on getting this article to Good and eventually FA status. AdmiralNick22 01:25, 5 March 2008 (UTC)
 * In the future, make sure you place your nominations above the categories section below. (Note: read this in the "editing" view.) Toprawa and Ralltiir 02:28, 5 March 2008 (UTC)