Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Battle of Bothawui (First; Great Galactic War)


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Battle of Bothawui (First; Great Galactic War)

 * Nominated by: Darth Trayus  Sith_Emblem.svg ( Trayus Academy ) 19:50, December 23, 2009 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Read the first, then go for the second!

(3 ACs/2 Users/5 Total)
Support
 * 1) Jedi Kasra (comlink) 04:41, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * 2)  Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Jedi Beacon ) 05:42, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie  the truth  ) 01:35, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * 4)  CC7567  (talk) 20:17, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:47, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Just one: if the title is conjectural, then it should not be bolded in the intro. However, if the battle is actually named the "Battle of Bothawui", then it has an official name. I think that moving the page to give it a different name that identifies it as "Battle of Bothawui " would be more appropriate, and the conjecture tag could then be removed.  Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Jedi Beacon ) 02:28, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) *I'm all for that, but before I move it, how would you suggest I indicate the difference between the two in the parenthetical notation? Would this be Battle of Bothawui (First; Great Galactic War) and the other be at Battle of Bothawui (Second; Great Galactic War)? Any suggestions? Darth Trayus  Sith_Emblem.svg ( Trayus Academy ) 07:56, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) **Hmm, well, I can't think of anything else, so unless anyone else has any better ideas, that sounds fine to me. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Jedi Beacon ) 16:59, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) ***Okay, both have been moved. Darth Trayus  Sith_Emblem.svg ( Trayus Academy ) 22:14, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Soresu
 * 6) * the Sith Empire was widely successful in all of its campaigns, particularly in the Outer Rim Territories. All of its campaigns up to that point were in the Outer Rim. A little redundant.
 * 7) * Casualties section in the infobox for the Republic should be "unknown", otherwise it seems like they took no losses. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie  the truth  ) 11:04, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * 8) **Just a quick note: words like "unknown" and "unidentified" are usually avoided in IU articles, precedent is to just leave a section blank if it is unknown. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Jedi Beacon ) 14:46, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) **The first is taken care of, and I concur with Jon on the second. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 20:11, December 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * 10) ***I am aware that we avoid using those words, but I thought I saw a number of GAs with unknown in the casualties. Checking through a few battle articles, it appears I was wrong. My mistake. Although I do believe that in these infobox things, leaving it blank could imply that they took no casaulties. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie  the truth  ) 01:35, December 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * 11) While I'm perfectly fine with the current naming of the two battles if it's the best solution, is there a chance that you could simply move the first one to Battle of Bothawui (Great Galactic War) and the second one to Second Battle of Bothawui (Great Galactic War)&mdash;which, despite using a more conjectural title instead of the canon one, helps to better differentiate between the two (like I did when SW.com screwed up the Second Battle of Geonosis)? Not an objection, per say, but more of a suggestion; feel free to disagree.  CC7567  (talk) 06:51, January 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * 12) **This is kind of what the battles were originally at, however it was instead the First Battle of Bothawui (Great Galactic War) and Battle of Bothawui (Great Galactic War). I changed both because of Jon's objection above, which I tend to agree with. I know the naming is unconventional, but they've both been referred to as simply the "Battle of Bothawui" in canon, and I don't think we should give it a conjectural name for the sake of clarity if it's already been given a canonical one. I am, however, more than willing to move them both if there's enough of a call for it, but all the suggestions I've gotten thus far seem to differ. If there's one that multiple users can agree on, I'm all for it. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 20:15, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * 13) Toprawa
 * 14) * Please choose a less POV term than "valiantly": "under the command of Jedi Master Belth Allusis valiantly fought to the last man"
 * 15) **Removed.
 * 16) * I'm afraid I'm not quite understanding what's happening here. They repelled the Sith from the planet, thus winning the battle AFAIK, but then were suddenly defeated? That doesn't seem to sync up to me. Can we clarify this any? "and were able to repel the Sith from Bothawui before being defeated." Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:00, January 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * 17) **They were defeated in that they were all killed. The battle was a draw, not a victory for the Republic. I've reworded it to better reflect that. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 20:15, January 23, 2010 (UTC)

Comments


 * If this only appear to date is only in one source, then shouldn't the First mentioned be changed as Mentioned only? Kreivi Wolter 23:03, December 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * It should be neither. What it is now is correct. Darth Trayus  Sith_Emblem.svg ( Trayus Academy ) 00:39, December 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * So the source explicitly identifies this as Battle of Bothawui; First, GGW (as opposed to First Battle of Bothawui (GGW)?  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:25, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * It refers to both the first and the second as the Battle of Bothawui. They're clearly two different conflicts, so they need two separate articles, but the articles have kept the same name with differing parenthetical notations in order to avoid conjectural titles for events that are canonically named. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 00:44, January 5, 2010 (UTC)