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Star Wars: The Clone Wars Legacy Episodes
Hello Brandon Rhea,

I know we put Star Wars: The Clone Wars (TV series) information in canon and legends but how come not the legacy episodes.

Please reply,

May the Force be with you

Maurice.136 (talk) 16:23, February 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * Hi Maurice. We only put Legacy in Canon pages because it was released after April 25th, which was the day that Lucasfilm announced that the Expanded Universe had become Legends. We made a decision here to keep Episodes I-VI and Seasons 1-6 of The Clone Wars in Legends pages, because they were necessary to tell the story in many Legends pages, but that's because Episodes I-VI and Seasons 1-6 were released before April 25th. Anything The Clone Wars-related from after April 25th, like Son of Dathomir, "Crystal Crisis on Utapau," and Dark Disciple, are only put into Canon pages. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 16:27, February 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * Just weighing in, the SoD trade paperback uses the old Eras system, which places it in the Rise of the Empire era. It seems like its intended to be placed in both. -  AV-6R7 User talk:AV-6R7 17:08, February 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * Actually no, that's a fundamental misunderstanding of Canon and Legends. The only place where something is both Canon and Legends is on Wookieepedia (and any website that may choose to follow our way on that). Officially, there is nothing that is both Canon and Legends. Episodes I-VI and Seasons 1-6 are, officially, just Canon. We apply them to Legends, which officially is just a brand name, because we basically have to for the Legends story to make sense. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 17:48, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Bad Batch
Hey Brandon. I realize that Hildalgo's comments indicate that Lucasfilm considers all of the unaired stories to be canon, but for us as the audience, we've mostly heard about those stories through unofficial means. For example, we know that some of the unfinished story arcs involved everything from The Bad Batch to something about Yoda and the Wookiees, but the problem is that we don't know the exact nature, content, or details of those stories&mdash;besides the fact that, in canon, they simply took place. The difference between these unreleased stories and, say, the Crystal Crisis on Utapau story reels is that the latter episodes were released officially, even in their unfinished state. On the other hand, all of the information that we have about The Bad Batch story arc has come from Brent Friedman, who himself isn't technically a "canon" source, at least in the way WP:CANON defines it. I realize he's the one who wrote these stories, and that's not to say I don't respect his work (I do, greatly), but when it comes down to it, we can't treat his words as canon or official, at least in the way that a canon adaptation of the story (say, a novel or comic) would be. That's why I don't think it's fit to tag the episode articles as canon.

I suppose a simpler way of putting it is that while the "story" that The Bad Batch episodes tell is canon, the episode itself&mdash;being unfinished and unreleased&mdash;is not. However, I do realize that there are a lot of gray areas within this matter, mostly due to the fact that Lucasfilm hasn't yet chosen to (or announced that they will) officially release these unaired stories. As we get more information (if at all) about them, I imagine we'll need a more definitive policy for how to incorporate this info into our articles. Also, that's true about the Legends tag; I'll remove it.

Thanks, and let me know if you have any more questions.  CC7567  (talk) 21:34, February 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * You make a good point, and even though you weren't necessarily advocating for this, I think it would be a good idea to delete the IU pages relating to The Bad Batch altogether&mdash;e.g. delete The Bad Batch (the IU article) and replace it with The Bad Batch (episode). It's better to contain the information within the OOU articles instead of keeping an IU article whose canon status is entirely unconfirmed by all accounts. As for the OOU episode articles, at this point I believe it's worth keeping them because they're technically official. By that, I mean that they're placeholders until (or if) Lucasfilm decides to release the stories through official means. I know it sounds like I'm reneging on my point that Friedman isn't an official source for information, but since he did provide the episode titles, there's enough to warrant their existence as articles, at least until/if the stories are officially published. At that point, they can be merged with the hypothetical comic/novel/whatever adaptation, similar to the way that the Son of Dathomir comic issues note the original title of the episode script that they were adapted from.  CC7567  (talk) 21:54, February 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... Isn't this almost the opposite of what you were saying before? Earlier you were saying that although the story was canon, the episodes were not. Now you seem to be saying the complete opposite, supporting the deletion of a page that is an actual in-universe part of the story, and keeping the episode pages. Cevan (talk) 21:59, February 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with CC's proposal to contain all information in the OOU pages. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 22:02, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

Cevan: just to clarify, the point I was making about the episodes not being canon (and by that, I mean taking place within the new continuity that excludes the EU, as defined by WP:CANON) was to explain why the episode articles do not deserve having canon tags. However, the episodes themselves are official in the sense that they were fully scripted for TV production, until production on TCW stopped. On the other hand, the exact in-universe content and nature of The Bad Batch is currently impossible to define, because we don't have a canon source that details said information. For example, if Lucasfilm were to officially adapt the episodes into another medium, the new author or writer will definitely revise certain aspects of the story, and might even choose to give "The Bad Batch" a different name altogether. That's just a hypothetical of course, but the point remains that currently, we don't have any actual canon information on The Bad Batch, which is why the in-universe article needs to be deleted.  CC7567  (talk) 22:11, February 22, 2015 (UTC)

Jedi Archives Wiki
Why did you close our wikia, dude? We only had one actual copied page and we even said we were going to remove the copied layout and everything once we got the chance to. You've unfairly closed our wiki. GrandmasteroftheArchives (talk) 02:30, March 1, 2015 (UTC)

Rotary blaster canon
Ah yes I've seen it now. I was under the impression it was a more generic page, where as I was linking to the precise model. Of course I did not realize one was legends and one was the canon. All is well--CC3636 (talk) 00:11, March 2, 2015 (UTC)

Re: BBY/ABY
Thanks for the info Brandon, I was wondering why there was no ABY or BBY anywhere! --CC3636 (talk) 21:31, March 3, 2015 (UTC)

Rebels episode guide picture
Hey Brandon. I saw you had uploaded some of these in the past so I figured I'd ask you. Basically I was just wondering how exactly you get the main picture before each Rebels episode guide as a full, high quality image? Fire Across the Galaxy hasn't been updated with its picture yet, and I'm afraid I'm not sure how to do it. Thanks! Cevan (talk) 23:07, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * You open up the main image of the Episode Guide in a new tab. You'll see a whole bunch of stuff after the ".jpg" part that includes height and width parameters. Remove everything after ".jpg" and that creates the full image. That said, I'm not sure what the protocol is for an episode like "Fire Across the Galaxy." For example, on Star Wars Rebels: Spark of Rebellion, we still use the poster, not the Episode Guide image, because that episode has a poster. "Fire Across the Galaxy" has a logo, so I'm thinking it should probably keep the logo. At least on the episode page itself. Star Wars Rebels: Season One should be updated with the Episode Guide image. Maybe ask on Talk:Fire Across the Galaxy? - Brandon Rhea (talk) 23:43, March 3, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Breha Organa
Thank you very much! It's probably full of typos, however. My spelling isn't that bad, but I've always had a hard time checking it properly on a screen. And as far as my grammar and syntax are concerned, well, I'm no native speaker of English. If you could have a look at those things at some point, that would be very nice of you. :-) (Actually, the hardest part is to include everything in the BTS without using the same phrases as in the Legends article.) --LelalMekha (talk) 20:12, March 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * I might do Evaan too, unless someone beats me to the punch. My editing habits don't make me very competitive; I always work very slowly, and often on multiple articles at a time. Since my command of the English language is less natural, I feel compelled to rework my sentences all the time. (And even that doesn't prevent typos. Darned screen!) --LelalMekha (talk) 20:21, March 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * For a short time, when the textless preview pages were released, I hoped that she might be Winter Celchu. Ah, well... One can dream, right? What I do hope, however, is that we'll learn more about the culture of Alderaan. --LelalMekha (talk) 21:00, March 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * Good. I don't think there's much more to add about Canon Breha for the time being, so I'll be working some more on the article tomorrow, and Bob's your uncle. --LelalMekha (talk) 22:32, March 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * Erm, yes, sorry. I didn't realize this was a strictly British English idiom. ^^' I should have stuck to "and it's done!" (I watch too much British TV, I guess.) --LelalMekha (talk) 22:45, March 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * I think Breha's article is ripe for a copy edit. ;-) Whenever you have a moment, you can just go with it. Thanks in advance. --LelalMekha (talk) 17:40, March 6, 2015 (UTC)

Lothal rebels - Cham Syndulla
Brandon - when you changed the source on the Lothal rebels page regarding Cham being Hera's father, you only used a ref name without the actual reference inside, one that would normally be used if the reference was already on the page earlier in the article. There's no actual reference, so it's broken at the bottom. ProfessorTofty (talk) 01:50, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

Templates for the Star Wars Rebels Magazine
Hello Brandon. Since the Star Wars Rebels Magazine is still fairly new (two issues as of today), I think it would be good to make it all clean and organized from the start. Because of that, I think we need a proper citation template for the stories and articles that appear in that magazine, like the one we use for the Star Wars Insider. However, I don't have the knowledge required to create such templates. Do you think you could make one? --LelalMekha (talk) 15:14, March 5, 2015 (UTC) Well before anything else, let's remember to avoid the idea that something is either Canon or Legends. There is another option, which is "this has no canonicity to it at all." It's the same way we treat the StarWars.com blogs; they're simply a regurgitation of information, in most cases, so they're not really Canon or Legends, even if they contain Canon or Legends information within them, unless they explicitly state otherwise (a recent blog about Max Rebo Band specifically labeled things as Canon or Legends, which was very nice to see).
 * I've tried to create templates like that in the past and, unfortunately, haven't been very successful, so I'm afraid I don't have the knowledge either. I'd reiterate what I said on Talk:Jango Fett, though; I question whether that magazine can be a canon source. Do we have any indication that there's any Lucasfilm/official involvement init? - Brandon Rhea (talk) 15:41, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * Sorry to butt in and join the conversation, but what will we do if they aren't considered canon? The magazine seems to be Disney approved, given that it has the logo and everything, so we should still document them, but surely counting them as legends makes no sense either. Would we need to have them as canon-non-canon pages? Ayrehead02 (talk) 16:28, March 5, 2015 (UTC)
 * After looking on Twitter, both the author and artist of "Learning Patience" responded to a fan saying the comics are canon. Twitter posts here. Ayrehead02 (talk) 16:54, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

The magazine, in and of itself, is neither Canon nor Legends. That's how we treat Insider as well, so we have to be careful with what information we include. We do the same thing with Insider. Take a recent example. I recently moved Madine to Crix Madine/Canon because Insider 155 used that name. Toprawa, however, correctly pointed out that Insider still often uses information from Legends. So, while Crix is likely his Canon name, until we see it in a clear Canon source we're better being safe than sorry. The name was therefore moved back to Madine.

If the Disney logo is on this Rebels UK magazine, then yeah it's fair game to include. I'd still treat it similarly to how we treat Insider, though. If there is information that originated in Legends, and we haven't seen that information in an official Canon source, then we shouldn't include that information. It's a safe assumption that in the case of both Insider and the Rebels UK magazines, the Story Group is only vetting the original fiction, not every single article. The articles would be much like the StarWars.com blogs, in my opinion.

So for now, I'd say treat the short story as Canon for sure, but don't use in-universe information from articles unless that information has canonically originated elsewhere. Better safe than sorry at some point, since the information that Lelal quoted from the magazine is, in many cases, just outright wrong. This also makes how we treat the Rebels UK magazine consistent with how we treat Insider.

Hope that helps. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 16:57, March 5, 2015 (UTC)

Canon articles with unsourced names
Hello! I'm bringing this over here so that, if/when the Koho/Canon page gets deleted, it can be referred to in the future. When we come across a Canon page that isn't named in a canonical source, how do we take care of it? Put a Delete tag on it with "Not named in a Canon source"? Or something else? Operative lm (talk) 00:41, March 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * I'd put Confirm on it unless you're 100% sure that the character is unnamed anywhere. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 00:51, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

Re: Insider stories
Hello, Brandon. Unfortunately, you're a bit out of your luck on this one: while I do have a copy of the 156th issue, I don't have the one you're looking for, the one with Nakari. Sorry about that, my friend. :-/ --LelalMekha (talk) 21:22, March 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries. Looks like Ayrehead02 was able to upload it. Thanks, Ayrehead02! - Brandon Rhea (talk) 22:39, March 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * Glad you've found what you needed. :-) --LelalMekha (talk) 22:46, March 10, 2015 (UTC)