Wookieepedia:Mofferences/Log/2019 May 25

[17:53] <@Toprawa> It's Time. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwYX52BP2Sk [17:53] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Okay then gents [17:53] <@Tommy-Macaroni> The time has come [17:53] <@Tommy-Macaroni> I’ll go over what’ll be going on this evening for anyone this process is new for [17:54] <@Tommy-Macaroni> It basically runs like a series of real-time CTs [17:54] <@Tommy-Macaroni> I’ll be hosting this meeting, and will introduce each of the meeting agenda items one by one [17:54] <@Tommy-Macaroni> (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Mofferences) [17:54] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Might be an idea to have that open somewhere [17:54] <@Tommy-Macaroni> The person whose item it is will have the floor to introduce their proposal, during which time regular users will be muted, and admins will be polity requested to shut their traps [17:55] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Ecks will be doing the muting I believe [17:55] <@ecks> o [17:55] <@Tommy-Macaroni> One they’re done, the floor will be opened to discussion [17:55] <@ecks> / [17:55] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Now this is important: KEEP DISCUSSIONS ON TOPIC [17:55] <@Tommy-Macaroni> This will already be a long evening, and if we go off topic we will be here until morning [17:55] <@Tommy-Macaroni> All admins here will happily kick you if you stray away from the proposal at hand too much [17:55] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Don’t let it come to that [17:55] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Obviously discuss the idem [17:55] <@Tommy-Macaroni> *item [17:56] <@Tommy-Macaroni> But if a comment isn't necessary, don't say it [17:56] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Off topic chatter should be kept to #wookieepedia-social [17:56] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Once I think discussion has come to its natural conclusion, I’ll open the vote [17:56] <@Tommy-Macaroni> It’s done by GT’s bot PurpleTentacle [17:56] <@Tommy-Macaroni> The commands are as follows: [17:56] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open [17:56] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open. [17:56] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~support [17:56] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted. [17:56] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~close [17:56] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is closed. [17:56] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support: 1 [17:56] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~tally [17:56] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: 'Support': 1 [17:56] <@Tommy-Macaroni> The only commands you can use to vote are: [17:56] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~support [17:56] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: There is no open vote on this channel. [17:56] * QGJ (~QuiGonJin@wookieepedia/QuiGonJinn) has joined #wookieepedia [17:56] * ChanServ sets mode: +v QGJ [17:56] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~oppose [17:56] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: There is no open vote on this channel. [17:57] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Anything else will not be counted [17:57] <+QGJ> Dark Greetings, everyone [17:57] <@Tommy-Macaroni> nd that’s just about it. We then rinse and repeat for the entire list. A [17:57] <@Tommy-Macaroni> *and [17:57] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Hey [17:57] <@Tommy-Macaroni> I'm just going through the running order [17:57] <@Tommy-Macaroni> You know what happens, right? [17:57] * ecks sets mode: -vvvv AnilSerifoglu MasterFred QGJ Ruiz30 [17:57] * ecks sets mode: -v Tyber [17:57] <@Toprawa> Someone can give him a private tutorial if he needs it [17:58] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Fine [17:58] <@Toprawa> Anyone have any questions, just PM me [17:58] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Thanks Tope [17:58] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Aaaaaand I think we’re ready to go. Let’s make it a good one boys. [17:58] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Well then [17:58] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Welcome, one and all, to our 29th Mofference [17:58] * ecks sets mode: +m [17:58] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Tope has the floor first [17:59] <@Toprawa> Ok, I'm going to stall until the top of the hour to give everyone a chance to get here [17:59] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Cool [17:59] <@Toprawa> Everyone take your seats if you haven't :P [17:59] * Supreme_Emperor (~androirc@wookieepedia/administrator/Supreme-Emperor) has joined #wookieepedia [17:59] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Supreme_Emperor [17:59] <@Imperators> ahhh [17:59] * Tommy-Macaroni changes topic to 'Wookieepedia, the Space-Based Disagreements FANDOM powered by Wikia - http://starwars.wikia.com - Channel/site status: Mofference in progress (chatter at #wookieepedia-social) (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Mofferences)' [17:59] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Hey SE [18:00] <@Supreme_Emperor> Oi [18:00] <@Tommy-Macaroni> AND HERE WE ARE [18:00] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Silence please [18:00] <@Toprawa> Ok [18:00] <@Toprawa> Here we go [18:00] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Tope go [18:00] <@Toprawa> First topic. [18:00] <@Toprawa> The scope of real-world person articles. [18:00] <@Toprawa> I am proposing a formal layout to real-world person articles; i.e., Harrison Ford [18:01] <@Toprawa> As an addition to the OOU Layout Guide, found here https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Layout_Guide/Out-of-universe [18:01] <@Toprawa> I present the following layout: [18:01] <@Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User_talk:Toprawa_and_Ralltiir/Some_Like_it_Hoth (nevermind the page name) [18:01] <@Toprawa> The meat of this proposal is the second sentence of Biography [18:01] <@Toprawa> "With the exception of birth and death information, this section will limit its focus exclusively to the person's Star Wars contributions without discussing other unrelated career achievements." [18:01] * grunny (~grunny@wookieepedia/bureaucrat/Grunny) has joined #wookieepedia [18:01] * ChanServ sets mode: +o grunny [18:02] <@Toprawa> I think that sentence speaks for itself [18:02] <@Toprawa> The reason for doing this is that we're finding on the nomination pages that real-world person articles focus so heavily on non-Star Wars content that it makes us wonder what we're even doing [18:02] <@Toprawa> Take https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Fraser_Kelly for example [18:03] <@Toprawa> This kid appeared in a Star Wars film for one second, has a paragraph of information, and that's probably it [18:03] <@Toprawa> He will probably go on to a nice, long career in acting without ever being involved in SW again [18:03] <@Toprawa> So every time this kid appears in something, this article needs to be updated and maintained with information that has nothing to do with Star Wars [18:03] <@Toprawa> It's a colossal waste of time for everyone, writers and article reviewers included [18:04] <@Toprawa> Take https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/John_Wayne for example [18:04] * Fan26 ([REDACTED]@wookieepedia/Fan26) has joined #wookieepedia [18:04] * ChanServ sets mode: +v Fan26 [18:04] <@Toprawa> His voice was used for Star Wars, so there's one sentence worth of information to be documented. [18:04] * Tommy-Macaroni sets mode: -v Fan26 [18:04] <@Toprawa> Do we really need to cover 99.9% of his other non-SW acting career? [18:04] <@Toprawa> It's insane. [18:04] <@Toprawa> I found it quite apropos that someone actually questioned this practice the other day https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Burl_Ives?curid=146604&diff=8210935&oldid=5308103 [18:05] <@Toprawa> The answer, Stardust178, is no, it's not. [18:05] <@Toprawa> I open the floor. [18:05] <@Supreme_Emperor> Kill the irrelevant things [18:05] <@Darth_Culator> XD [18:05] <@exiledjedi> I completely agree. [18:05] <@Darth_Culator> I knew this day would come. [18:05] <@Darth_Culator> Bye-bye, Burl. [18:05] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Yes I completely agree Tope, that information is extraneous to our mission here [18:06] <@Toprawa> Grunny: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User_talk:Toprawa_and_Ralltiir/Some_Like_it_Hoth [18:06] * ecks sets mode: -m [18:06]  Thank goodness. Now writing John Williams' article should only take a few years instead of a lifetime. [18:06]  Agreed [18:06] <@ecks> floor is open [18:06] <@Imperators> Tope's point about it being a waste of time of constantly updating an actor's article is perfect. [18:06] <@Ayrehead02> I absolutely support this [18:06]  agreed [18:06] <@Supreme_Emperor> Kill [18:06] <@Toprawa> Point here is "We're not Wikipedia" [18:06] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Exactly [18:06]  We typically link to their Wikipedia article and Imdb for these things. Just keep those in External links and only Star Wars in the body. [18:07] <@Darth_Culator> We are the Star Wars Wiki. We are not the Everything Even Remotely Related to Star Wars Wiki. [18:07] <@Imperators> kill Fraser Kelly. No offense to either Mr. Kelly or spooky :P [18:07] <@Ayrehead02> The bacon page doesn't list the entire history of real bacon in the BTS [18:07] <@Tommy-Macaroni> We all seem fairly supportive of this [18:07] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Are we ready to vote? [18:07] <@Toprawa> Do it [18:08] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open [18:08] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open. [18:08] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~support [18:08] <@Toprawa> ~support [18:08] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted. [18:08] <@Imperators> ~support [18:08] <@PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [18:08] <@PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted. [18:08] <@Ayrehead02> ~support [18:08] <@PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [18:08] <@Supreme_Emperor> ~support [18:08] <@PurpleTentacle> Supreme_Emperor: Support vote counted. [18:08] <@Darth_Culator> ~support [18:08] <@grunny> ~support [18:08] <@PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [18:08]  ~support [18:08] <@PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [18:08] <@PurpleTentacle> QGJ: Support vote counted. [18:08]  ~support [18:08] <@PurpleTentacle> Fan26: Support vote counted. [18:08]  ~support [18:08] <@PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted. [18:08]  ~support [18:08] <@PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted. [18:08] <@exiledjedi> ~support [18:08] <@PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [18:08]  ~support [18:08] <@ecks> ~support [18:08] <@PurpleTentacle> Ruiz30: Support vote counted. [18:08] <@PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [18:08]  ~support [18:08] <@PurpleTentacle> AnilSerifoglu: Support vote counted. [18:08] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~close [18:08] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is closed. [18:08] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support: 15 [18:08] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~tally [18:08] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: 'Support': 15 [18:09] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Motion passes [18:09] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Next up is.. [18:09] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Tope [18:09] <@Tommy-Macaroni> again [18:09] * ecks sets mode: +m [18:09] <@Toprawa> Thank you [18:09] <@Toprawa> Sockpuppetry [18:10] <@Toprawa> I am proposing a modernized rewriting/overhaul of the Sockpuppetry policy: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User_talk:Toprawa_and_Ralltiir/Some_Like_it_Hoth [18:10] <@Toprawa> It's not really changing anything, per se [18:10] <@Toprawa> More like more clearly defining what we've been doing forever in greater detail [18:10] <@Toprawa> Our current page is kind of skimpy in covering certain things like people who edit as anons to evade bans, etc. [18:11] <@Toprawa> So I'll give everyone a few minutes to read through that [18:11] <@Toprawa> Floor is open [18:11] * ecks sets mode: -m [18:11] <@Supreme_Emperor> Seems good [18:11] <@Ayrehead02> Yeah looks good to me [18:11]  ^ [18:11] <@Darth_Culator> https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/b3b807e1-4912-4d58-acea-72ce26a28585 [18:11] <@Tommy-Macaroni> I've already gone through it and I'm very happy with it [18:12] <@Tommy-Macaroni> A much needed update [18:12]  yup, pretty good [18:12]  looks good [18:13]  I like it. [18:13] <@exiledjedi> Looks good to me. [18:13] <@Toprawa> If anyone wants a few more minutes to read it, please speak of course [18:14]  seems good [18:14] <@grunny> looks good [18:14] * @Darth_Culator reads fast. :P [18:15] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Okay, we all seem to be ready to vote [18:15] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Vote on: Sockpuppet policy update [18:15] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open [18:15] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~support [18:15] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open. [18:15] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted. [18:15] <@Ayrehead02> ~support [18:15] <@PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [18:15] <@GreenTentacle> ~support [18:15] <@Toprawa> ~support [18:15] <@PurpleTentacle> GreenTentacle: Support vote counted. [18:15] <@PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [18:15]  ~support [18:15] <@PurpleTentacle> AnilSerifoglu: Support vote counted. [18:15] <Ruiz30> ~support [18:15] <@PurpleTentacle> Ruiz30: Support vote counted. [18:15] <@Supreme_Emperor> ~support [18:15] <@PurpleTentacle> Supreme_Emperor: Support vote counted. [18:15] <@Darth_Culator> ~support [18:15] <@PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [18:15] <Zed42> ~support [18:15] <@PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted. [18:15] <QGJ> ~support [18:15] <@PurpleTentacle> QGJ: Support vote counted. [18:15] <@Imperators> ~support [18:15] <@grunny> ~support [18:15] <@PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted. [18:15] <@PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [18:16] <@exiledjedi> ~support [18:16] <@PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [18:16] <Fan26> ~support [18:16] <@PurpleTentacle> Fan26: Support vote counted. [18:16] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~close [18:16] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~tally [18:16] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is closed. [18:16] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support: 14 [18:16] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: 'Support': 14 [18:16] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Motion passes 14-0 [18:17] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Culator is up next [18:17] <@ecks> oops, support [18:17] <@ecks> :P [18:17] * ecks sets mode: +m [18:17] <@Darth_Culator> Woo. [18:17] <@Darth_Culator> Alright. So our current upload policy has sort of... agglomerated over the years. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Images [18:18] <@Darth_Culator> I propose to replace it with a streamlined version. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User:Darth_Culator/imagepolicyrevamp [18:18] <@Darth_Culator> Covers all the bases of existing standards and practices. [18:18] <@Darth_Culator> In less of a chunky monstrosity. [18:19] <@Darth_Culator> I put it up for comments, and addressed the few concerns people had. https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:SH:Request_for_comments:_Upload_policy_revamp [18:19] <@Darth_Culator> So I think it's good to go. [18:20] <@Darth_Culator> I open the floor. [18:20] <@Imperators> looks good to me. Good job, Culator. [18:20] <@Toprawa> One thing I want to see included (which I thought was in there already): Explicitly directing people NOT to capitalize file extensions (jpg, not JPG) [18:20] * ecks sets mode: -m [18:20] <Ruiz30> ^yes [18:20] <@ecks> yeah, fuck uppercase extensions [18:20] <@Darth_Culator> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User:Darth_Culator/imagepolicyrevamp#Filenames [18:20] <@Darth_Culator> That is in there. [18:20] <@Toprawa> Oh, I see it [18:20] <@Darth_Culator> Extensions must be in short form (e.g. "jpg" over "jpeg") and lowercase. [18:20] <@Toprawa> Item 5 [18:20] <@Toprawa> Gotcha [18:20] <@Darth_Culator> That was your wording, actually. [18:20] <@Toprawa> oh, good, I can't remember :P [18:21] <MasterFred> XD [18:21] <MasterFred> "If you do not understand what this means, you probably do not need to be concerned, as these are the default settings for most graphics programs." [18:21] <MasterFred> I appreciate this. [18:21] <AnilSerifoglu> ^ [18:21] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Very good Culator [18:21] <@Tommy-Macaroni> This is very much needed [18:21] <MasterFred> I don't know much about this topic at all, but the policy seems direct, simple, and looks well laid out. [18:22] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ^ [18:22] <@Ayrehead02> Looked over this on SH, and it all looked good for me [18:22] <@Darth_Culator> I've been wanting to do this for a while. :P [18:22] <MasterFred> So if the image experts are happy, I'm good. [18:22] <Ruiz30> its pretty good [18:23] <@Toprawa> Spread it on [18:23] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Does anyone need any more time to read it [18:23] <@Imperators> lets dew it [18:23] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Vote on: Image policy update [18:23] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open [18:23] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~support [18:23] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open. [18:23] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted. [18:23] <@Darth_Culator> ~support [18:23] <@Toprawa> ~support [18:23] <AnilSerifoglu> ~support [18:23] <@PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [18:23] <@PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [18:23] <@PurpleTentacle> AnilSerifoglu: Support vote counted. [18:23] <Zed42> ~support [18:23] <@PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted. [18:23] <Ruiz30> ~support [18:23] <@PurpleTentacle> Ruiz30: Support vote counted. [18:23] <@grunny> ~support [18:23] <@Imperators> ~support [18:23] <@PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [18:23] <@PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted. [18:23] <@Ayrehead02> ~support [18:23] <Fan26> ~support [18:23] <@PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [18:23] <@PurpleTentacle> Fan26: Support vote counted. [18:23] <QGJ> ~support [18:23] <@PurpleTentacle> QGJ: Support vote counted. [18:23] <@exiledjedi> ~support [18:23] <@PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [18:23] <@ecks> ~support [18:23] <@PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [18:24] <MasterFred> ~support [18:24] <@PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted. [18:24] <@GreenTentacle> ~support [18:24] <@PurpleTentacle> GreenTentacle: Support vote counted. [18:24] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~close [18:24] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~tally [18:24] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is closed. [18:24] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support: 15 [18:24] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: 'Support': 15 [18:24] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Motion passes 15-0 [18:25] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Next up: Tommy [18:25] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Thanks Tommy [18:25] * ecks sets mode: +m [18:25] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Okay, so https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Talk_page_policy currently states: [18:25] <@Tommy-Macaroni> "Please do not create a Talk page solely to add ." [18:26] <@Tommy-Macaroni> This is because it is unnecessary and does not adhere to the function of a talk page: to talk [18:26] <@Tommy-Macaroni> I believe this should be extended to also included templates such as those used by Wookieeprojects [18:26] <@Tommy-Macaroni> *include [18:27] <@Tommy-Macaroni> It isn't necessary to create a talk page just to add two templates [18:27] <@Tommy-Macaroni> I think it's a poor use of them and is just not needed [18:27] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Okay, opening discussion [18:28] <@Toprawa> If nothing else, maybe it will direct people's energies towards things that actually need doing [18:28] * ecks sets mode: -m [18:28] <@Imperators> I'm very guilty of doing this and I have no problem at all with not doing it from this point onward. :P [18:28] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Quite [18:28] <Zed42> Sounds good [18:28] <MasterFred> It also annoyingly clogs the RC [18:28] <Fan26> I've added the WP:TORtalk template a lot, mostly out of habit, and I see nothing wrong with prohibiting this [18:28] <@exiledjedi> I'm good with this. [18:28] <Ruiz30> seems good to me, its just pointless [18:28] <QGJ> Wholeheartedly support [18:28] <MasterFred> I used to do it for WPRWM and WPENT [18:28] <@Ayrehead02> Works for me [18:29] <@Darth_Culator> We can probably get a bot to delete the talk pages that consist solely of headers. [18:29] <@Imperators> so, just to be clear, this would just add "and/or WookieeProject talk page templates" to the current policy page sentence? [18:29] <@Toprawa> That's my understanding [18:29] <MasterFred> ^ [18:29] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Correct [18:30] <@Imperators> Culator, it would also be cool if could be preinserted when a new talk page is created, but that's beside the point. [18:30] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Offtopic [18:30] <QGJ> Just for the sake of completion, this should probably also include "Barnburner" templates [18:30] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Bad [18:30] <@Toprawa> QGJ> You mean deleting them? [18:31] <QGJ> Yeah, and not adding them just for the sake of them [18:31] <@Toprawa> Because we outlawed Barnburners, so no one will be adding new templates for them [18:31] <QGJ> Ok, makes sense [18:31] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Yes that isn't necessary to ratify since I highly doubt anyone will create new ones of that [18:31] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Okay, voting [18:31] <@Toprawa> They would be deleted if they did :P [18:31] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Vote on: WookieeProject talk page templates [18:31] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open [18:31] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~support [18:31] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open. [18:31] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted. [18:31] <AnilSerifoglu> ~support [18:32] <@PurpleTentacle> AnilSerifoglu: Support vote counted. [18:32] <MasterFred> Barnbruner templates were only used on promotef articles [18:32] <@Toprawa> ~support [18:32] <@grunny> ~support [18:32] <@PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [18:32] <@PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [18:32] <@Darth_Culator> ~support [18:32] <@Ayrehead02> ~support [18:32] <Fan26> ~support [18:32] <Zed42> ~support [18:32] <@PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [18:32] <@Imperators> ~support [18:32] <@PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [18:32] <@PurpleTentacle> Fan26: Support vote counted. [18:32] <@PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted. [18:32] <@PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted. [18:32] <Ruiz30> ~support [18:32] <@PurpleTentacle> Ruiz30: Support vote counted. [18:32] <QGJ> ~support [18:32] <@PurpleTentacle> QGJ: Support vote counted. [18:32] <@ecks> ~support [18:32] <@PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [18:32] <MasterFred> ~support [18:32] <@PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted. [18:32] <@exiledjedi> ~support [18:32] <@PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [18:32] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~close [18:32] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~tally [18:32] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is closed. [18:32] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support: 14 [18:32] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: 'Support': 14 [18:32] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Motion passes 14-0 [18:32] * ecks sets mode: +m [18:33] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Next up, Fred for a discussion, not a vote [18:33] * ecks sets mode: +v MasterFred [18:33] <+MasterFred> Hello all [18:34] <+MasterFred> So, we have a major shift in the way canon content is presented that will take full effect starting Friday, May 31. [18:34] <+MasterFred> The opening of Star Wars: Galaxy’s Edge is going to present some major difficulties for us in terms of determining what is and isn’t canon. [18:35] <+MasterFred> I'm working on a policy to help set the rules for how topics presented in new themed entertainment offerings should be considered. [18:36] <+MasterFred> You can see my work so far here: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User:Master_Fredcerique/Galaxy%27s_Edge#Policy [18:36] <+MasterFred> This will be taken to CT once some kinks are working out and some rewording is done, but this is the general idea. [18:37] <+MasterFred> Basically, we want to prevent people from adding every little thing they hear and see happen in SWGE and other upcoming offerings and ensure all information added is official. [18:38] <@grunny> ~support [18:38] <@PurpleTentacle> grunny: There is no open vote on this channel. [18:38] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Okay, opening the floor for discussion if Fred is done? [18:38] * ecks sets mode: -vm MasterFred [18:38] <MasterFred> I do have one item I would like to discuss, though, and that is access to what is and isn't officially canon. I have access to the official show guide, and it is information that I can share with guests. However, I cannot distribute the book or copy it directly. [18:39] * Ralltiir (~Toprawa@wookieepedia/bureaucrat/Toprawa) has joined #wookieepedia [18:39] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Ralltiir [18:39] <MasterFred> So I personally will be able to tell if something is official, but no other editor that I'm aware of will have access to that, so it presents an interesting dilemma. [18:39] <MasterFred> Fred is done. :P [18:40] <@ecks> well, aside from my dislike of Disney, having a policy on this seems like a good idea but it will definitely have to be SH'd/CT'd to fix the finer details [18:40] <@Ralltiir> Having looked over it already and planning to discuss it with you more before it goes to CT, I guess I would just like to ask you, Fred: What is your biggest concern with handling all of this, besides what you've just stated in your presentation? [18:40] <@Ayrehead02> Do you know roughly how much stuff is not recorded anywhere bar the guide? [18:40] <@Tommy-Macaroni> There is no vote for this, but please use this opportunity to read the proposal and ask any questions ahead of the CT [18:40] <@Ayrehead02> Anything on the datapad, in pre-recorded dialogue or on signs could be verified in other ways [18:41] <MasterFred> My only concern is being the only person on the wiki who can check the canon status of the fine details. [18:41] <@Ayrehead02> E.g photos or checking youtube videos etc [18:41] <MasterFred> Which is hard to put in a policy and can also lead to things slipping through. [18:42] <Fan26> I remember reading something about every cast member at the park developing their own character backstories. I think you mentioned that they would actually be considered canon, Fred, but is there anywhere where these backstories and identities will be recorded and accessible [18:42] <MasterFred> Ayrehead: There is a ton of detail that was used to inspire certain design decisions that is very unlikely to be presented in the Datapad. [18:42] <Fan26> ? [18:42] <@Ralltiir> This is off-topic sort of, so I won't burden the meeting with this, but I guess I would just suggest you consider how you or we will best be able to verify these fine details. What our methodology will be. [18:42] <MasterFred> Those backstories have now been confirmed to not have LSG involvement, so I wouldn't consider them canon. [18:43] <@ecks> thank god [18:43] * @Toprawa (~Toprawa@wookieepedia/bureaucrat/Toprawa) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [18:43] * Ralltiir is now known as Toprawa [18:43] <MasterFred> In fact, we can change our story daily if we want. It's just a tool we can use to interact. [18:43] <Ruiz30> yeah, I'm worried about just one person be able to verify something [18:43] <@Toprawa> Non-canon info goes into the BTS :P [18:43] <MasterFred> A game mechanic, if you will. [18:43] <Fan26> oh okay good [18:43] <Fan26> That really would have been a problem. [18:44] <@Tommy-Macaroni> I feel this slowing down, if anyone has an more pressing points about this please pose them now [18:44] <MasterFred> I could develop a form where people could submit questions for me to answer before adding the info to articles. That would make it easier for me to see and reply. [18:44] <@ecks> take it to the forums [18:45] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Obviously the CT can discuss this in a lot more depth [18:45] <@Toprawa> To the forums! [18:45] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Cool [18:45] <MasterFred> Yes, to the forums. [18:45] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Moving on then [18:45] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Next up, Tope spreading the FAN love [18:45] <MasterFred> But just so it is on everyone radar [18:45] * Toprawa sets mode: +m [18:45] <@Toprawa> Thank you [18:45] <@Toprawa> The FAN Redux process. [18:46] <@Toprawa> For those not familiar, the Redux process is something we use at Inq, AC, and EC meetings [18:46] <@Toprawa> It's an extension of the meeting in which we send an article to "Redux" if it needs a supplementary review that we won't have time to do at a meeting [18:47] <@Toprawa> For example, if something undergoes a big update for new information [18:47] <@Toprawa> Back in 2012, we established a new practice for how FA Reduxs are handled in this CT: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:CT_Archive:Reduxing_Featured_articles [18:47] <@Toprawa> The highlights of that CT were: [18:47] <@Toprawa> 1) Reduxs were added to the FAN page [18:47] <@Toprawa> You will see these on the FAN page even today; they are marked by "(Redux review)" [18:48] <@Toprawa> 2) That proposal opened FAN page Redux voting to the entire community [18:48] <@Toprawa> In which 4 support votes are needed to pass a Redux, at least 2 of which must come from Inqs [18:48] <@Toprawa> And it established a period of 4 weeks for inactive removal [18:48] <@Toprawa> To quote from the FAN page: [18:48] <@Toprawa> Note: All reduxed articles require only four support votes to maintain their Featured status, at least two of which must come from Inquisitors. Reduxed articles will be subject to removal if objections are not addressed after a period of 4 weeks, pending the support of at least three Inquisitors. [18:49] <@Toprawa> I am proposing we modify this 2012 CT [18:49] <@Toprawa> Firstly, I am proposing we restrict voting to Inqs only [18:49] <@Toprawa> While it's a nice idea to get the community involved, I will reiterate that the Redux is an extension of the Inqmoot [18:49] <@Toprawa> So this is tantamount to letting regular users vote at Inqmoots as if they were Inqs, which makes no sense at all [18:50] <@Toprawa> Regular users can still review and object to FAN Reduxs, but they shouldn't be voting on them [18:50] <@Toprawa> I don't know how we ever let this idea pass, to be honest [18:50] <@Toprawa> So the new procedure would be to require 4 Inq votes for a Redux to pass [18:50] <@Toprawa> This number matches the number of Inqs required to keep an FA on probation at Inqmoots [18:51] <@Toprawa> And secondly, I am proposing we reduce the 4-week idle removal window to 2 weeks [18:51] <@Toprawa> The original idea in that CT was that probed articles typically get a month between meetings to handle probationary issues [18:51] <@Toprawa> That's a nice idea, but we're finding out on the FAN page that in reality this is impractical [18:52] <@Toprawa> It's just too long, and it's prone to abuse [18:52] <@Toprawa> The idea is to keep the FAN page moving at all times [18:52] <@Toprawa> All 4 weeks does it give nominators leeway to sit on objections for a month before they're legally required to respond to them, which is just unnecessary [18:52] <@Toprawa> And 2 weeks matches the idle removal period of regular FANs [18:52] <@Toprawa> So it streamlines the overall FAN process [18:52] <@Toprawa> So to summarize, this proposal: [18:53] <@Toprawa> 1) Restricts Redux voting to Inqs only [18:53] <@Toprawa> 2) 4 Inqs will be needed to pass Reduxs [18:53] <@Toprawa> 3) Redux inactive removal period goes to 2 weeks [18:53] <@Toprawa> Floor open [18:53] * ecks sets mode: -m [18:53] <AnilSerifoglu> Makes sense to me [18:53] <@ecks> sounds straightforward to me [18:53] <@Imperators> support [18:53] <Zed42> GA redux voting is only amongst AC members, correct? [18:53] <Zed42> If so, doing the same for FAs is a good idea [18:53] <MasterFred> The AC would've never allowed this treachery to happen. XD [18:53] <@Supreme_Emperor> Dew it [18:53] <@Toprawa> Correct, Zed [18:53] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Inqs have already discussed this: support all [18:53] <Fan26> Seems reasonable [18:54] <@exiledjedi> Full support from me. [18:54] <@Ayrehead02> Same [18:55] <QGJ> I have no issue with lowering the idle time, but I feel like that if the other two points are implemented, the time it would take for a Redux to pass is going to be way too long [18:55] <@Toprawa> Well, the impetus moves back heavily towards the Inq to get their asses in gear [18:55] <@Toprawa> That's something we always need to keep our nose to the grindstone on [18:56] <@Toprawa> But the point can't be dismissed that allowing non-Inqs to effectively participate in Inqmoots is...insane [18:56] <@Toprawa> There's a reason we select people to be Inqs [18:56] <@Toprawa> This completely undermines that [18:56] <@Toprawa> QGJ, I know you're probably speaking to your own recent experience with Zygerrian [18:57] <QGJ> FAN is a community process. The way I see Redux - is basically another FAN for the same article, due to major issues found with it [18:57] <@Toprawa> It's true the Inq has been shit for the past year, but the rest of the group will attest to this, that we're clearing out the dead weight [18:57] <@Toprawa> The FAN is a community process, but Redux is not [18:57] <MasterFred> ^ [18:57] <@Toprawa> The only reason we moved Reduxs to the FAN is because they were being ignored on WP:REDUX [18:58] <MasterFred> Redux is only on FAN/GAN to streamline and encourage involvemtn from panel members/help them not forget about them. [18:58] <MasterFred> *involvement [18:58] <@Toprawa> per Fred [18:58] <@Toprawa> You're on the EC, QGJ [18:58] <@Toprawa> You should understand this [18:58] <@Toprawa> What would it be like if non-ECs suddenly participated in EC meetings? [18:58] <@Toprawa> What's the point of having the EC? [18:59] <@Toprawa> The Inq is the only one of the three review panels to do this, for reasons I'm not sure I even fully understand [18:59] <@Tommy-Macaroni> I feel like discussion has come to a standstill, I'm opening the vote [18:59] <@Tommy-Macaroni> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/gX2kJ3Rz/ [18:59] <@Tommy-Macaroni> oops [19:00] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Vote on: FAN Redux process [19:00] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open [19:00] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~support [19:00] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open. [19:00] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted. [19:00] <MasterFred> ~support [19:00] <@PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted. [19:00] <AnilSerifoglu> ~support [19:00] <@Imperators> ~support [19:00] <@PurpleTentacle> AnilSerifoglu: Support vote counted. [19:00] <@PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted. [19:00] <Ruiz30> ~support [19:00] <@PurpleTentacle> Ruiz30: Support vote counted. [19:00] <@ecks> ~support [19:00] <@PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [19:00] <Zed42> ~support [19:00] <@PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted. [19:00] <@Toprawa> ~support [19:00] <@PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [19:00] <@Ayrehead02> ~support [19:00] <@PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [19:00] <@Darth_Culator> ~support [19:00] <@PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [19:00] <@grunny> ~support [19:00] <@PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [19:00] <QGJ> ~oppose [19:00] <@exiledjedi> ~support [19:00] <@PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [19:00] <@PurpleTentacle> QGJ: Oppose vote counted. [19:01] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~close [19:01] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~tally [19:01] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is closed. [19:01] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Oppose: 1 [19:01] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support: 12 [19:01] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: 'Oppose': 1 [19:01] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: 'Support': 12 [19:01] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Motion passes 12-1 [19:01] * ecks sets mode: +m [19:01] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Next up Tope again [19:01] <@Toprawa> Thank you [19:01] <@Toprawa> One moment [19:02] <@Toprawa> Ok [19:02] <@Toprawa> Linking [19:02] <@Toprawa> I am proposing we standardize some of our linking practices [19:03] <@Toprawa> The MOS has a very rudimentary section on linking: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Manual_of_Style#Linking [19:03] <@Toprawa> I am proposing expanding that section as follows: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User_talk:Toprawa_and_Ralltiir/Some_Like_it_Hoth [19:03] <@Toprawa> Everything is pretty straightforward. I will just say that these are essentially the practices the reviewing bodies have been using for years now. As well as EJ's bot. [19:04] <@Toprawa> It will just be nice to have a standardized method to these things. [19:04] <@Toprawa> Floor open [19:04] * ecks sets mode: -m [19:04] <@ecks> seems legit [19:04] <Zed42> I'm out of time but I'll stick around until voting since I support this [19:04] <@ecks> that's what we've been doing de facto [19:04] <@Toprawa> Thanks, Zed [19:05] <@ecks> might as well put it in writing [19:05] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Already looked over this too, very good [19:05] <@Toprawa> Indeed [19:05] <@GreenTentacle> Looks good. [19:05] <@exiledjedi> I support this. [19:05] <@Imperators> it'd be nice if we got a link in the last bullet point [19:05] <MasterFred> Could we state that non-pipelinked plurals are ok with the "s" outside? [19:05] <@Toprawa> Example, Imperators? [19:05] <@Imperators> a link to what the "appropriate pipelinking parsers" are [19:05] <@Toprawa> Well, those are the non-wikicode examples [19:06] <@Toprawa> How would you propose linking them? [19:06] <@Darth_Culator> Italics: Subjugator, not Subjugator [19:06] <@ecks> grunny, does Fandom have an interwiki table somewhere? [19:06] <@Imperators> I mean, maybe there's an instructions page on MediaWiki.org or something [19:06] <@Darth_Culator> That's not actually what we normally do, as far as I'm aware. [19:06] <MasterFred> Oh, wait, it's already there regarding the "s" rule [19:07] <@Toprawa> Culator, it's what we've all been doing :P [19:07] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Can confirm :P [19:07] <MasterFred> Oh, I do believe I've been doing it the second way. [19:07] <@Darth_Culator> That screws up the parsing. [19:07] <@Imperators> per Fred [19:07] <@Darth_Culator> In like everything. [19:07] <Ruiz30> same Fred [19:07] <@Imperators> but I guess we need uniformity [19:07] <@grunny> ecks: there is an interwiki table that's different per-wiki, since Wookieepedia or any wiki can ask for different interwiki prefixes. There are some global ones though that are listed on a page on Community Central [19:08] <@ecks> link to the global one? [19:08] <@Darth_Culator> AWB hates it, the syntax highlighting javascript hates it, PWB hates it. [19:08] <@grunny> ecks: https://community.fandom.com/wiki/MediaWiki%3AInterwiki_map [19:08] <MasterFred> I'm down for changing how I do it, no problem. Uniformity is definitely best. [19:08] <@Darth_Culator> Apostrophes always go outside links. [19:09] <@Toprawa> Regex can and does fix anything [19:09] <@Toprawa> Again, EJ's bot [19:09] If this covers all linkages, would the formatting of audiobook and novelizations need be noted, since it has the latter part put of italics? [19:09] <@Imperators> Culator's right about syntax highlighting [19:09] *out [19:09] <@ecks> pwb doesn't really mind it if you do regex, just do (.*) [19:09] <MasterFred> But what about things like Star Wars: Galaxy's Edge? [19:09] <@Darth_Culator> That's like the only time you'd want to do that. [19:09] <@Toprawa> Those have to go inside, of course [19:09] <@Toprawa> Which is why it's nice to just stick them all inside [19:09] <@Toprawa> It's uniform that way [19:10] <@Toprawa> There are more than a few of those [19:10] <@Toprawa> Every episode film does that [19:10] <MasterFred> Yeah, a lot of titles are only partially italicized. [19:10] <@Toprawa> Star Wars: Episode V The Empire Strikes Back [19:10] <@Toprawa> Same with ship classes [19:10] <@Toprawa> Executor-class [19:10] <@Toprawa> The uniformity is nice [19:10] <@Toprawa> So AWB not being able to handle this makes no sense to me [19:11] <QGJ> What about linking separate subjects within proper names? Stuff like "Death Star". AFAIK, this is now discouraged [19:11] <@Toprawa> Yes, that should be included [19:11] <@Toprawa> I regret not thinking of it [19:11] <@Toprawa> Good point [19:11] <MasterFred> I like uniformity, but I know nothing about the technical side of things. [19:11] <MasterFred> Oh, yes, let's get that made official. haha [19:11] <@Toprawa> I'm going to leave that out for now, QGJ [19:12] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Same Fred [19:12] <@Toprawa> There might be some weird ins and outs with that specific thing [19:12] <@Imperators> ^^^ [19:12] <@Toprawa> I'd rather take the time to think about it [19:12] <QGJ> Ok, but we should probably come back to that at some point [19:12] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Culator, anything else to add to the discussion [19:12] <@Toprawa> Yes, definitely [19:12] <@Toprawa> I would take it to CT if this proposal passes [19:12] <@Darth_Culator> The italics thing seems pointless, but whatever. [19:12] <@Toprawa> To add that and anything else that might be needed [19:13] <@Tommy-Macaroni> To voting then [19:13] <@ecks> Toprawa, maybe a link to https://community.fandom.com/wiki/MediaWiki%3AInterwiki_map could be added as per Imperators? [19:13] <@Toprawa> Yes, we can add that. [19:13] <@Toprawa> We'll tack it onto the end of that last sentence. [19:13] <@Imperators> that's neat [19:13] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Cool [19:13] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Okay then: [19:14] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Vote on: Linking practices [19:14] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open [19:14] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~support [19:14] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open. [19:14] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted. [19:14] * Zed42 ([REDACTED]@gateway/web/freenode/ip.[REDACTED]) Quit (Ping timeout: 256 seconds) [19:14] <@Toprawa> ~support [19:14] <AnilSerifoglu> ~support [19:14] <@PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [19:14] <@PurpleTentacle> AnilSerifoglu: Support vote counted. [19:14] <@Ayrehead02> ~support [19:14] <@PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [19:14] <@ecks> ~support [19:14] <@PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [19:14] <QGJ> ~support [19:14] <@PurpleTentacle> QGJ: Support vote counted. [19:14] <@grunny> ~support [19:14] <@PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [19:14] <@Imperators> ~support [19:14] <@PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted. [19:14] <Ruiz30> ~support [19:14] <@GreenTentacle> ~support [19:14] <@PurpleTentacle> Ruiz30: Support vote counted. [19:14] <@PurpleTentacle> GreenTentacle: Support vote counted. [19:14] <MasterFred> ~support [19:14] <@PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted. [19:14] <@exiledjedi> ~support [19:14] <@PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [19:14] * Zed42 ([REDACTED]@gateway/web/freenode/ip.[REDACTED]) has joined #wookieepedia [19:14] <@Toprawa> Zed, voting is open now [19:14] <@Toprawa> You said you wanted to stay to vote [19:15] <Zed42> ~support [19:15] <@PurpleTentacle> Zed42: Support vote counted. [19:15] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~close [19:15] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~tally [19:15] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is closed. [19:15] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support: 13 [19:15] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: 'Support': 13 [19:15] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Motion passes 13-0 [19:15] * ecks sets mode: +m [19:15] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Next up: FaNdOm [19:15] <@ecks> oh hell yeah [19:15] <@Tommy-Macaroni> By ecks [19:15] <@ecks> well, this one is straightforward [19:16] <@ecks> Wikia/FANDOM/Fandom has rebranded a few years ago already and refer to themselves as "Fandom" [19:16] <@ecks> not FANDOM, not Wikia [19:16] <@ecks> so I believe that's what our policy pages and other relevant things should use [19:16] <@ecks> this is included but not limited to WP:NOT [19:16] <@ecks> so: change all instances of Wikia/FANDOM to "Fandom" on all policy pages and other relevant pages [19:16] * QGJ (~QuiGonJin@wookieepedia/QuiGonJinn) Quit (Quit: See you later!) [19:16] <@ecks> floor is open [19:16] * ecks sets mode: -m [19:17] <@Imperators> yes. [19:17] <@Toprawa> YES [19:17] <MasterFred> Seems obvious [19:17] <@Toprawa> Sorry [19:17] <@Toprawa> Yes* [19:17] <AnilSerifoglu> Well, there is nothing to object :P [19:17] <Fan26> I'm tempted to go with the capitalized version to highlight their stupid branding, but this is more reasonable. Makes us seem out-of-date otherwise [19:17] <@ecks> YES powered by Wikia [19:17] <@Tommy-Macaroni> yes [19:17] <@Imperators> per yes [19:18] * Zed42 ([REDACTED]@gateway/web/freenode/ip.[REDACTED]) Quit [19:18] <@Darth_Culator> Every instance of the name should be intercapped as FaNdOm and linked to this image. https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/022/940/mockingspongebobbb.jpg [19:18] <@ecks> as an aside, I believe the company is technically still "Wikia, Inc." [19:18] <Fan26> Per Culator [19:18] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Nice [19:18] <Ruiz30> support [19:18] <@Tommy-Macaroni> This is simple, I'm going right to the vote [19:19] <MasterFred> Yeah, the company is Wikia, wiki host is FANDOM [19:19] <@Toprawa> Fandom* [19:19] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Vote on: FANDOM [19:19] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open [19:19] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~support [19:19] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open. [19:19] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted. [19:19] <@Imperators> ~support [19:19] <@PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted. [19:19] <Fan26> ~support [19:19] <AnilSerifoglu> ~support [19:19] <@PurpleTentacle> Fan26: Support vote counted. [19:19] <@PurpleTentacle> AnilSerifoglu: Support vote counted. [19:19] <@Toprawa> ~support [19:19] <@GreenTentacle> ~support [19:19] <@PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [19:19] <@PurpleTentacle> GreenTentacle: Support vote counted. [19:19] <MasterFred> ~support [19:19] <@PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted. [19:19] <@grunny> ~support [19:19] <@PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [19:19] <@ecks> ~support [19:19] <@PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [19:19] <Ruiz30> ~support [19:19] <@PurpleTentacle> Ruiz30: Support vote counted. [19:19] <@Ayrehead02> ~support [19:19] <@PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [19:19] <@Darth_Culator> ~support [19:19] <@PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [19:19] <@exiledjedi> ~support [19:19] <@PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [19:20] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~close [19:20] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~tally [19:20] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is closed. [19:20] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support: 13 [19:20] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: 'Support': 13 [19:20] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Motion passes 13-0 [19:20] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Next up: Anil [19:20] <@ecks> woop [19:20] * ecks sets mode: +mv AnilSerifoglu [19:20] <+AnilSerifoglu> Thank you, Tommy [19:20] <+AnilSerifoglu> This issue came to my attention while Toprawa and I were discussing the notability of Yoda's Jedi Master (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Yoda%27s_Jedi_Master), the canon counterpart for Yoda's Jedi Master in the Legends continuity, N'Kata Del Gormo (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/N%27Kata_Del_Gormo). Although the canon article contains information exclusive to the subject's canon counterpart, and has been mentioned in [19:20] <+AnilSerifoglu> multiple canon media, it is currently considered not notable per the "New canon subjects" section of the notability policy (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Notability_policy#New_canon_subjects - first paragraph). [19:21] <+AnilSerifoglu> As you can read here, and also in the CT discussion that introduced this rule in the first place (https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Forum:CT_Archive/Tab_system#Vote_4:_Movie_subjects), this was done as a practical measure to avoid "unidentified" articles for subjects within the movies no longer have confirmed canon names, such as the unnamed characters within Chalmun's Cantina or the unnamed officers on the Death Star. [19:21] <+AnilSerifoglu> I totally agree with the necessity of this rule; however, I believe that we should lift the rule altogether for the non-film and non-The Clone Wars subjects, basically for all subjects that are not part of the "immovable objects" of the Star Wars canon as defined by Lucasfilm's 2014 canon reboot announcement. Despite being unnamed, I believe the existance of a Legends counterpart should not be taken into account for the notability of a [19:21] <+AnilSerifoglu> new canon subject introduced after the 2014 canon reboot. [19:22] <+AnilSerifoglu> This would also facilitate keeping track of the subjects that are brought back into canon from Legends, such as the mention of a first Republic Supreme Chancellor named Valorum in the novel Tarkin, which was also deleted per the same rule, as it was the canon equivalent of Tarsus Valorum. In short, I'm proposing to replace that section of the policy with the following: [19:22] <+AnilSerifoglu> "Subjects from the six original films and the Star Wars: The Clone Wars film and television series that received official names in the Legends continuity shall not be given Canon articles until they receive official names in Canon source material. Once an official Canon name is established for these subjects, an article may be created for them." [19:22] <+AnilSerifoglu> Floor, please [19:23] <@Ayrehead02> Yeah I've definitely seen this lead to us deleting articles that contain significant unique information [19:23] <@Toprawa> Just to contribute to the summary, the idea all along was to slowly loosen this clause of the Notability policy [19:23] * ecks sets mode: -mv AnilSerifoglu [19:23] <@Toprawa> We didn't want to have a million conjectural unidentified pages for Canon right off the bat [19:23] <@ecks> Honestly, why does this need to be a thing at all? Why can't all Canon articles just fall under our general notability rules? [19:23] <@Ayrehead02> At this point we could probably just remove it altogether [19:23] <@ecks> a Legends name doesn't make something notable in Canon [19:23] <@Tommy-Macaroni> I think I agree [19:24] <@ecks> but if a Legends-named character does something notable in Canon (albeit unnamed), that should still be grounds for an Unidentified canon article [19:24] <MasterFred> I was just thinking this. And a canon subject with a Legends counterpart can still be notable even if unnamed. [19:24] <@Toprawa> Well, the main concern for me is the proliferation of poor article creations that might be incoming [19:24] <@Toprawa> Like for every alien sitting in the cantina [19:24] <@Ayrehead02> As far as I can think, everyone unnamed character in canon who had a name in Legends is basically a background extra with no lines [19:24] <@Ayrehead02> So they wouldn't pass notability [19:24] <@ecks> ^ [19:24] <@Toprawa> We don't have a Notability policy for characters, though [19:24] <Ruiz30> but that would be controlled with notability, just sitting in the cantina won't make you notable without a name [19:24] <@ecks> Tc them, all of them [19:24] <@Toprawa> So everything would be fair game [19:25] <AnilSerifoglu> Hmm, good points [19:25] <@Toprawa> Yes, that's the point kind of [19:25] <@Toprawa> responding to ecks [19:25] <@Tommy-Macaroni> We definitely need a CT for that I think [19:25] <@Toprawa> Are we prepared to go through a hundred TCs? [19:25] * Reguyla (~Reguyla@unaffiliated/reguyla) Quit (Remote host closed the connection) [19:25] <@Tommy-Macaroni> no [19:25] <@Darth_Culator> Yes. [19:25] <@Tommy-Macaroni> heh [19:25] <@Toprawa> That's why we created this rule to begin with [19:25] <Ruiz30> maybe [19:25] <@ecks> I mean, I am :P but I do see your point [19:25] <@Toprawa> I have to say I'm glad Cade and I had the foresight [19:25] <MasterFred> I'm definitely not [19:25] <Fan26> I am ready for the TC'ing! :P [19:26] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Yes, I think this is good until we can get a proper character notability CT [19:26] <@Toprawa> The ugly side of TCs is that it's all so freaking subjective [19:26] <@ecks> we really do need some sort of notability policy for characters [19:26] <MasterFred> I barely have time for the wiki right now, and I'd rather not spend that limited time on hundreds of TCs. [19:26] <@Toprawa> We decide to delete one article over another on purely personal reasons [19:26] <@Toprawa> At least this way there's a set approach to it [19:26] <@Ayrehead02> Yeah that seems like the more sensible option, but for now this is a step in the right direction [19:26] <@ecks> ^ [19:26] <MasterFred> Agreed. [19:26] <Ruiz30> agreed [19:26] <@exiledjedi> Let's not open it up entirely. [19:26] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Agreed [19:26] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Cool, seems like we're good to vote [19:27] <MasterFred> I can support this as a step to a broader notability policy. [19:27] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Vote on: New canon subjects [19:27] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open [19:27] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~support [19:27] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open. [19:27] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted. [19:27] <@Imperators> ~support [19:27] <@PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted. [19:27] <AnilSerifoglu> ~support [19:27] <Ruiz30> ~support [19:27] <@PurpleTentacle> AnilSerifoglu: Support vote counted. [19:27] <@PurpleTentacle> Ruiz30: Support vote counted. [19:27] <@Toprawa> ~support [19:27] <@PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [19:27] <@grunny> ~support [19:27] <@PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [19:27] <@ecks> ~support [19:27] <Fan26> ~support [19:27] <@PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [19:27] <@PurpleTentacle> Fan26: Support vote counted. [19:27] <@Ayrehead02> ~support [19:27] <@PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [19:27] <MasterFred> ~support [19:27] <@PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted. [19:27] <@Darth_Culator> ~support [19:27] <@PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [19:27] <@exiledjedi> ~support [19:27] <@PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [19:27] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~close [19:27] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~tally [19:27] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is closed. [19:27] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support: 12 [19:27] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: 'Support': 12 [19:27] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Motion passes 12-0 [19:28] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Last but not least [19:28] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Tope on talk pages [19:28] * ecks sets mode: +m [19:28] <@Toprawa> Thank you [19:28] <@Toprawa> This is actually a two-part proposal aimed at talk page votes that are held to determine an article's main infobox [19:28] <@Toprawa> We'll do it in two votes [19:29] <@Toprawa> I am proposing the following be added to the Talk page policy: [19:29] <@Toprawa> 8. Article talk pages may not be used as forums for consensus votes, such as to determine an article's main infobox image. Such consensus votes must take place through the Consensus track or at a Mofference. [19:29] <@Toprawa> Article talk pages are too obscure a place to be holding critical votes [19:29] <@Toprawa> They are not always noticed by everyone, including admins, meaning they aren't being moderated [19:29] <@Toprawa> Case in point: [19:29] <@Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Luke_Skywalker#Infobox_Image_Vote [19:30] <@Toprawa> This was never closed, because people never even noticed it was there [19:30] <@Toprawa> The entire community deserves to be aware of any consensus vote taking place, which is why we maintain the Consensus track feature to begin with as a centralized place for these things [19:30] <@Toprawa> And this is why we highlight consensus votes in gold in the Recent changes -- such notices are not available on talk pages [19:30] <@Toprawa> If that means more CT votes, that's ok [19:30] <@Toprawa> Again, that's what the CT is for [19:30] <@Toprawa> Ok, floor open for this first half of the proposal [19:31] * ecks sets mode: -m [19:31] <Fan26> i'm in favor of this. [19:31] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Absolutely support [19:31] <AnilSerifoglu> Yes [19:31] <@Imperators> yes. yes. [19:31] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Thats the point of the CT [19:31] <@ecks> this raises the question: when is a vote required to change an infobox image? whenever a change is contested by someone? [19:31] <MasterFred> Seems fine to me. [19:31] <@Ayrehead02> 100% [19:31] <@Toprawa> ecks, that's coming in the second half :P [19:31] <@Darth_Culator> More CT votes means more community participation. [19:31] <MasterFred> ecks: was just about to raise that question haha [19:31] <@Ayrehead02> These votes were always impossible to keep track of [19:31] * @Darth_Culator loves democracy. [19:31] <Fan26> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Talk:Imperial_Army_soldier#Image_switch [19:31] <Fan26> Never really got that formally settled b/c no participation [19:32] <@Toprawa> Yeah, I never even noticed that, Fan [19:32] <Fan26> some anon changed the image eventually anyway [19:32] <@exiledjedi> Seems like a good idea. I've never liked talk page votes. [19:32] <@ecks> on one hand I think it's kinda silly we need to discuss *article changes* outside the talk pages, but otoh, if they DO need to be discussed, then the wider exposure that is the CT is definitely the way to go [19:32] <@Toprawa> Image votes tend to be particularly contentious too [19:32] <@Toprawa> So it's a good idea to put them in the CT [19:33] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Okay, vote on: Talk page votes [19:33] <MasterFred> Yeah, I think most things will still be settled on talk pages. It's just things that spark intense debate or require lots of input. [19:33] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open [19:33] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~support [19:33] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open. [19:33] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted. [19:33] <MasterFred> ~support [19:33] <@PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted. [19:33] <@Toprawa> ~support [19:33] <@PurpleTentacle> Toprawa: Support vote counted. [19:33] <Ruiz30> ~support [19:33] <Fan26> ~support hard support [19:33] <@Imperators> ~support [19:33] <@PurpleTentacle> Ruiz30: Support vote counted. [19:33] <@PurpleTentacle> Fan26: Support vote counted. [19:33] <@PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted. [19:33] <@ecks> ~support [19:33] <@PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [19:33] <@grunny> ~support [19:33] <@PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [19:33] <@GreenTentacle> ~support [19:33] <@PurpleTentacle> GreenTentacle: Support vote counted. [19:33] <@Ayrehead02> ~support [19:33] <@PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [19:33] <@Darth_Culator> ~support [19:33] <@PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [19:34] <AnilSerifoglu> ~support [19:34] <@exiledjedi> ~support [19:34] <@PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [19:34] <@PurpleTentacle> AnilSerifoglu: Support vote counted. [19:34] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~close [19:34] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~tally [19:34] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is closed. [19:34] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support: 13 [19:34] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: 'Support': 13 [19:34] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Motion passes 13-0 [19:34] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Part 2: [19:34] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Tope [19:34] * ecks sets mode: +m [19:34] <@Toprawa> Ok, second part [19:35] <@Toprawa> I am proposing we had a small bit to the Consensus policy to cover image votes [19:35] <@Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Forum%3AConsensus_track [19:35] <@Toprawa> eh [19:35] <@Toprawa> Here https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/WP:CON [19:35] <@Toprawa> For this first part of this second vote, this needs to be removed now: [19:35] <@Toprawa> "Certain article talk-page votes, which may be held on a case-by-case basis to determine such particulars as an article's main infobox image" [19:36] <@Toprawa> And secondly, I am proposing amending this part, which currently reads: [19:36] <@Toprawa> In order to overturn a previous consensus resolution, a renewed vote must be held with a voter participation equal to or greater than the original discussion. Note that this does not apply to modifications of a previous resolution, which is defined as any change to an existing policy that is not a straight repeal. [19:36] <@Toprawa> It will now read: [19:36] <@Toprawa> In order to overturn a previous consensus resolution, a renewed vote must be held with a voter participation equal to or greater than the original discussion. Note that this does not apply to modifications of a previous resolution, which is defined as any change to an existing policy that is not a straight repeal. [19:36] <@Toprawa> Renewed votes to change an article's main infobox image are specifically not subject to this requirement. [19:36] <@Toprawa> The last sentence being the change [19:36] <@Toprawa> The point here is to make it easier to change infobox images if need be [19:37] <@Toprawa> This might very well mean more CT votes, but that's not a bad thing [19:37] <@Toprawa> Floor open [19:37] * ecks sets mode: -m [19:37] * @Supreme_Emperor (~androirc@wookieepedia/administrator/Supreme-Emperor) Quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [19:37] <@ecks> when does changing an infobox image require a CT vote? [19:38] <@Toprawa> It only technically requires one when a consensus vote was already held to choose one [19:38] <@Toprawa> For example [19:38] <@Toprawa> The current Phasma image is there by consensus vote [19:38] <@Toprawa> To change that, a new vote would need to be held, albeit not tied to the participation clause [19:38] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Yes, this makes sense [19:39] <@ecks> so, to overturn previous infobox image votes, and if a change is contested, basically? [19:39] <Fan26> And the first vote would be held on the CT forum if there is an issue over the image, exactly like it is with talk pages now? [19:40] * Ralltiir (~Toprawa@wookieepedia/bureaucrat/Toprawa) has joined #wookieepedia [19:40] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Ralltiir [19:40] <@Ralltiir> Sorry, Internet [19:40] <@Ralltiir> This is what I saw last: [19:40] <@Ralltiir> <Toprawa> To change that, a new vote would need to be held, albeit not tied to the participation clause [19:40] <@Ralltiir> <Tommy-Macaroni> Yes, this makes sense [19:40] <@Ralltiir> <Toprawa> Again, this might mean more image CT votes [19:40] <@Ralltiir> <Toprawa> Which I figure is ok [19:40] <@ecks> 01:39:27<@ecks> so, to overturn previous infobox image votes, and if a change is contested, basically? [19:40] <@ecks> 01:39:28<Fan26> And the first vote would be held on the CT forum if there is an issue over the image, exactly like it is with talk pages now? [19:40] <@Ralltiir> ecks> Yes, that sounds correct [19:41] <@ecks> ok, that works for me [19:41] <@Ralltiir> And Fan, it sounds like you're basically asking what ecks is [19:41] <@Ralltiir> Basically if there's disagreement over an image [19:41] <Fan26> ok [19:41] <@ecks> just don't want daily CTs whenever JMAS goes on his image changing sprees :P [19:41] <MasterFred> Ok, I'm a fan of it with that clarification. [19:41] <Ruiz30> or benjay [19:41] <@Ralltiir> If it becomes a problem, we can always do something more [19:41] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Cool [19:41] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Okay, one last vote [19:41] <@Ralltiir> I mean, I guess I can throw this out there [19:41] <@Imperators> Brace yourselves. The CTs are coming. [19:41] <@Ralltiir> Sorry, Tommy [19:42] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Vote on: WP:CON update [19:42] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open [19:42] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~support [19:42] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open. [19:42] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted. [19:42] <AnilSerifoglu> ~support [19:42] <@PurpleTentacle> AnilSerifoglu: Support vote counted. [19:42] <@Ralltiir> ~close [19:42] <@PurpleTentacle> Ralltiir: Voting is closed. [19:42] <@PurpleTentacle> Ralltiir: Support: 2 [19:42] <Ruiz30> ~support [19:42] <@PurpleTentacle> Ruiz30: There is no open vote on this channel. [19:42] <@Ralltiir> Sorry, Tommy [19:42] <@Imperators> ~support [19:42] <@PurpleTentacle> Imperators: There is no open vote on this channel. [19:42] <@Ralltiir> I wasn't finished :P [19:42] * @ecks plays the sad trombone [19:42] <@Ralltiir> Sorry, sorry [19:42] <@Ralltiir> Responding to ecks: [19:42] <@Tommy-Macaroni> oH [19:42] <@Tommy-Macaroni> shit [19:42] <@Tommy-Macaroni> sorry [19:42] <MasterFred> XD [19:42] <@Ralltiir> When I was considering this, I had the idea of making image consensus resolutions stand for a minimum of one year or something to prevent endless CTs like you're saying [19:42] * @Toprawa (~Toprawa@wookieepedia/bureaucrat/Toprawa) Quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [19:42] <@Ralltiir> Is this something we want to do? [19:43] <@ecks> ehhh, not sure this will be a problem tbh [19:43] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Sorry Tope I completely missed your message [19:43] <@Ayrehead02> Would that exempt new sources coming out? [19:43] <@Tommy-Macaroni> YEah i don't think that's necessary [19:43] <@ecks> I just don't want to vote for infobox image changes on articles that no one cares about and no one contests [19:43] * Awarpot (~Toprawa@wookieepedia/bureaucrat/Toprawa) has joined #wookieepedia [19:43] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Awarpot [19:44] <MasterFred> It doesn't seem to be an issue currently. [19:44] <@Awarpot> ughhhh, sorry [19:44] <@Awarpot> �20�<�Ralltiir�>��30 When I was considering this, I had the idea of making image consensus resolutions stand for a minimum of one year or something to prevent endless CTs like you're saying [19:44] <@Awarpot> �24* Toprawa has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) [19:44] <@Awarpot> �20�<�Ralltiir�>��30 Is this something we want to do? [19:44] <@Awarpot> I don't know what you guys got [19:44] <@ecks> like, if JMAS uploads a new better image for Unidentified clone trooper, third from left, I don't want to send that to the CT [19:44] <@ecks> 01:43:25<@ecks> ehhh, not sure this will be a problem tbh [19:44] <@ecks> 01:43:40<@Tommy-Macaroni> Sorry Tope I completely missed your message [19:44] <@ecks> 01:43:45<@Ayrehead02> Would that exempt new sources coming out? [19:44] <@ecks> 01:43:48<@Tommy-Macaroni> YEah i don't think that's necessary [19:44] <@Tommy-Macaroni> <•ecks> ehhh, not sure this will be a problem tbh [19:44] <@Tommy-Macaroni> 00:43:42 <•Tommy-Macaroni> Tom Sorry Tope I completely missed your message [19:44] <@Tommy-Macaroni> 00:43:47 A<•Ayrehead02> Would that exempt new sources coming out? [19:44] <@Tommy-Macaroni> 00:43:50 <•Tommy-Macaroni> Tom YEah i don't think that's necessary [19:44] <@Tommy-Macaroni> 00:43:51 E<•ecks> I just don't want to vote for infobox image changes on articles that no one cares about and no one contests [19:44] <@ecks> 01:43:49<@ecks> I just don't want to vote for infobox image changes on articles that no one cares about and no one contests [19:44] <@ecks> lolz [19:45] <@Awarpot> No, we definitely don't need votes that no one is contesting [19:45] <@Awarpot> I'm not suggesting that [19:45] <@grunny> yeah, I think limiting changing it for a year may cause issues when a clearly better image comes out within that year. I think we can just react if this becomes an issue. I'd hope that people would discuss on talk pages first and try to come to an agreement before rushing to CTs [19:45] <Ruiz30> ^ [19:45] <@Awarpot> Would it be worth adding that images can be changed post-consensus if there is no disagreement? [19:45] <@ecks> the only scenario where I foresee a problem where we argue over some trailer character's image and then the next trailer has a clear headshot of that [19:45] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Yes I think that's fine [19:46] <@ecks> and then we need to wait a week for a curb stomp to change it [19:46] <@Awarpot> Yes, thus what I just suggested [19:46] <@Awarpot> Then the consensus effectively becomes moot [19:46] <@grunny> Awarpot: I think that could be a good addition, if it's clearly non-controversial for an image from a new release, we may not need a new CT [19:46] <MasterFred> Yes, I like that addition. [19:47] <@Awarpot> ecks? [19:47] * @Ralltiir (~Toprawa@wookieepedia/bureaucrat/Toprawa) Quit (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) [19:47] <@ecks> maybe it's because it's almost 2 am but I'm not sure I understand your proposal [19:48] <@ecks> stand for minimum of one year? huh? [19:48] <@Awarpot> ugh no :P [19:48] <@Awarpot> Would it be worth adding that images can be changed post-consensus if there is no disagreement? [19:49] <@Awarpot> Then it effectively renders the original consensus moot [19:49] <@ecks> I suppose that'd work [19:49] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah I think so [19:49] <@Awarpot> The contention is basically what forces these votes to begin with [19:49] <@ecks> images can be changed post-consensus, particularly in regards to new sources, if there's no disagreement [19:50] <@Awarpot> And then the original consensus becomes moot [19:50] <@Awarpot> Are we good? [19:50] <@Awarpot> Is my Internet dying again? [19:51] <@Ayrehead02> I think we're ready to vote [19:51] <@Imperators> yes we good 2:50 AM [19:51] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Any more discussion points or are we good for voting take 2? :P [19:51] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Cool [19:51] <@Awarpot> Vote [19:51] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Vote on: WP:CON update [19:51] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~open [19:51] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~support [19:51] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is open. [19:51] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support vote counted. [19:51] <MasterFred> ~support [19:51] <@PurpleTentacle> MasterFred: Support vote counted. [19:51] <@Awarpot> ~support [19:51] <@PurpleTentacle> Awarpot: Support vote counted. [19:51] <@Imperators> ~support [19:51] <@PurpleTentacle> Imperators: Support vote counted. [19:51] <AnilSerifoglu> ~support [19:51] <@PurpleTentacle> AnilSerifoglu: Support vote counted. [19:51] <@exiledjedi> ~support [19:51] <@PurpleTentacle> exiledjedi: Support vote counted. [19:51] <@ecks> ~support [19:51] <@PurpleTentacle> ecks: Support vote counted. [19:51] <@grunny> ~support [19:51] <@Ayrehead02> ~support [19:51] <@PurpleTentacle> grunny: Support vote counted. [19:51] <@PurpleTentacle> Ayrehead02: Support vote counted. [19:51] <@Darth_Culator> ~support [19:51] <Ruiz30> ~support [19:51] <@PurpleTentacle> Ruiz30: Support vote counted. [19:51] <@PurpleTentacle> Darth_Culator: Support vote counted. [19:52] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~close [19:52] <@Tommy-Macaroni> ~tally [19:52] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Voting is closed. [19:52] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: Support: 11 [19:52] <@PurpleTentacle> Tommy-Macaroni: 'Support': 11 [19:52] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Motion passes 11-0 [19:52] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Well then [19:52] <@Tommy-Macaroni> I do believe we are done [19:52] <@ecks> thank the maker [19:52] <@Imperators> Tommy gets a big, fat 'thank you' [19:52] <MasterFred> Yippee! [19:52] <@ecks> yep, good job [19:52] <@Ayrehead02> Huzzah [19:52] <@Awarpot> Great job, Tommy. Thanks for hosting. [19:52] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Unless anyone has anything else to say, I'm drawing this to a close [19:52] <AnilSerifoglu> Indeed [19:52] <@ecks> good job ecks for doing the muting [19:53] <@Ayrehead02> Good work Tommy! [19:53] * ChanServ sets mode: -qqqq $~a Tyber!*@* Reguyla!*@* Tm_T!*@* [19:53] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Thank you all for coming [19:53] <@Imperators> yes ecks, yes [19:53] <@Tommy-Macaroni> Thanks guys [19:53] * ecks sets mode: -r [19:53] <@Darth_Culator> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TNxnP9oYSA