Talk:Main Page/Archive2

This page is an archive of the Main Page's talk page between the 31st of July 2005 and the 22nd of October 2005.

Main Page Layout
Someone (can't remember who) mentioned that they liked the Main Page on my Star Wars Wiki. . Does anyone want me to save that layout somewhere before I take my site down? --Beeurd 20:48, 12 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I think we were looking to move towards a Wikipedia-like page, not your style. --SparqMan 21:00, 12 May 2005 (UTC)


 * One thing I liked about Beeurd's page, though, is having several "in-universe" categories right on the front page, which is helpful for the casual browser. I'd like to see that on our main page.  Silly Dan 21:34, 12 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I think that was the point of mirroring the Wikipedia layout. --SparqMan 22:13, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I concur. I like the idea of an In-Universe main page.  --GenkiNeko 08:44, 14 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Even the Wikipedia Star Wars portal would be a better style. --SparqMan 20:59, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I like how they have the news, and we got to have that Obi-Wan Kenobi Street article. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:30, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * pretty--Eion 00:54, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Can we please not have that hideous Wookieepedian of the Month thing there? Self congratulation hardly seems in order, but if it's going to be there it should at least look nice.--SparqMan 11:38, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, does it come with a sash and tiara?--Eion 13:42, 8 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Now, that's an award I could get behind.
 * How about stealing and adapting the layout from the Wikipedia Star Wars portal? It would be easier than designing a completely new layout, plus we could change the color. --Imperialles 23:31, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Haven't we stolen enough from Wikipedia already. It's time we individualized ourselves. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:00, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Fine. We'll need a person with great knowledge of HTML code, and a good idea of how we'd like the main page to look. We could hold a vote if several popular layout proposals are made. --Imperialles 02:08, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess we can alter whatever we copy from there. I just didn't want it looking just like the portal. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:22, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Whatever we choose to do, this is a needed feature. A well-designed Main Page could attract more contributors, as well as encouraging the existing ones to keep on trucking. --Imperialles 02:10, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Is there a working draft somewhere? As the page currently appears, there is just wayyyy to much white space.  I'd be happy to put my own "great knowledge" of HTML code to use if needed. &mdash;Mike 05:16, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * The page is the draft. You may try and customize it if you can come up with something that we will like. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:43, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Here's an idea. Not much different than Wikipedia. I dunno what should run beneath it, but those awful regular links and headers should be dropped outright. --SparqMan 02:35, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * It looks good. You may replace it at will. --Riffsyphon1024 02:49, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * The colors look awfully bright, except for the "Saga" bit. They should be softened and "framed". --Imp 22:56, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * How about something like this for underneath SparqMan's bit. User:Beeurd/Main_page_idea - I knocked it together pretty quickly, so it would need some refining before actually being used if it were decided to use it at all. --beeurd 21:36, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I like it but I'm not sure about the colors. -- Riffsyphon1024 21:52, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * It looks alright, but I'm not convinced that placing those things on the front page is smart for the wiki, useful to users or attractive. --SparqMan 03:10, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Aye, we should vote on a uniform color for the main page. Now, for something completely different: The "Encyclopedia" bit on MemoryAlpha's Main Page would be a great addition to ours (for categories, of course). If only I can find out how they made it, then twist it beyond recognition! bwahaha --Imp 22:02, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't be too difficult... *ponders* --beeurd 22:06, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * That's just a table and would be a horrible addition to the front page. --SparqMan 22:22, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I certainly understand where you're coming from. But we need some sort of more elaborate "Categories" section, and a table seemed a swift and easy fix. No matter. --Imp 22:32, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I actually agree with Imp. Although their version is perhaps a tad large, I'm sure a more consise version could be developed. --beeurd 22:34, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm, it seems they are currently in a state of mourning... -- Riffsyphon1024 23:16, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Here is a thrown together web version of the image mock from earlier. Feel free to putz around with it or make recommendations here. --SparqMan 03:10, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm all for it now, after I added a few categories. I'd hope that we can get it up tonight. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:28, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * It's not ready to go up tonight. It needs a real featured article and a few in the queue. Also, some of those categories need to be pruned, or the list is too long. The ones listed should be the most interesting or active, or could rotate. --SparqMan 03:45, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * How about Imperial Starfleet for the first featured article? --Imp 15:47, 31 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and put the Fleet up as featured article on the temp page. --Imp 17:59, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * You may want to avoid drastic changes without consultation first. For example, while Beeurd's boxes are a nice way of handling that information on the Main Page, some of us don't believe it should be there in the first place. Further, the Featured Article needs a mechanism for nomination, vetting, preparation and timing. Please show some patience. --SparqMan 20:35, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't see how this hinders further development. It's better, so why not put it up temporarily? I'll try to put up a Featured Article site within the next few hours, where the organization can be discussed and developed further. Do you have any knowledge of how to create such "machinations"? If so, help would be appreciated. --Imp 20:50, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Color Theme
While we're working on redesigning the front page, it might be a good time to talk about changing the color template for the wiki as well. If we're looking to differentiate ourselves from Wikipedia a bit, a nice place to start might be replacing the stark white background color and setting a minor background image. Memory-Alpha has done a nice job with this. --SparqMan 17:26, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I always think blue is a Star Warsy colour, but that's just me, lol. Perhaps similar shades to those used at http://www.holonetnews.com --beeurd 22:12, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Those royal blue shades are alright. Looks like #6688FF is the medium blue and #182C9B is the indigo shade. The biggest question is if we want to shift to a dark background with light text. I find that much more appealing, easier on the eyes and more Star Wars-y than the opposite end. --SparqMan 02:28, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I would stick with the white background. Much easier to my eyes, rather than Memory Alpha's dark everything. -- Riffsyphon1024 11:36, 30 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * You must have a strange pair of eyes, Riffs. Generally people find a high contrast theme easier to read. --SparqMan 02:59, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * My vision is only a horrid 220/20 without my glasses. Strange, you say? -- Riffsyphon1024 03:30, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I think a different colour theme would be good- it would set us apart from other Wikis. --24.141.193.190 02:38, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * The theme on this Battlestar Galactica wiki is very attractive and easy on the eyes (with the exception of the near-blind): check it. --SparqMan 20:32, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Replace the red with blue, and that looks like a plan. --Imp 20:38, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * No offense, but I think that color scheme is pretty horrible. – Aidje talk 04:32, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * If we want something darker (which I agree is easier on the eyes as well as more Star Wars-y, how about something more like this (screenshots: main page, random page)? As for the logo not being there, that's just a side affect of the javascript used to apply the colors (I used someone else's bookmarklet, I just changed the colors). By the way, we should probably consider that a dark background would require us to change a lot template colors and template images.– Aidje talk 04:51, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Since posting these screenshots I have learned that my monitor was mis-calibrated. The brightness was low enough that I didn't see any green in that. The blues are about the same as I was seeing, but I had thought that the background was a dark gray&mdash;almost black. In retrospect, I like plain black even better. – Aidje talk 04:09, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd go for a darker color scheme. Maybe something like SW.com.  Not like really dark gray backrounds like Memory Alpha, but not B&W. [[Image:Tbhelm.gif|30px]] Shadowtrooper talk 16:08, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * We would have to change the template colors and template images for almost any new theme we choose. I'm not really feeling the green for Star Wars. I experimented last weekend with some alternative themes. The key is finding a nice repeating pattern for the background image to take some pressure off the middle boxes. Dark gray with light blue text was the most pleasant iteration. --SparqMan 05:20, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Ow my eyes. -- Riffsyphon1024 05:53, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Am I the only one who thinks that black-on-white is both easier on the eyes and more professional looking? jSarek 06:03, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm certainly not with you. Use of a white background originates from pre-computer days when everyone used white paper, but it's simply not practical for a computer screen. I feel like I'm staring into a light bulb. Studies show that dark backgrounds are easier on the eyes because then only the letters are glowing, rather than the entire screen. – Aidje talk 06:20, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm with jSarek on this one. White background is easier to read and looks more "professional" for me. You can add whatever color schemes you want, but please keep monobook the default one. - Sikon 04:13, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Featured article
I think the featured article should change once in a while - like Wikipedia. Maybe every 3 days? Just a suggestion. KFan II 22:25, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * It will change eventually, but we simply aren't large enough to change it every three days. – Aidje talk 22:52, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Why do you need to be "large"? I mean, one person can change it every day if they wanted to! I've attempted, but no, they errased it. And I'm usre we have enough Star Wars articles, I mean, we have articles. KFan II 13:12, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * We don't have enough articles at that level of quality, and we don't have enough people to improve articles that quickly. – Aidje talk 18:13, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, you could at least keep changing the featured article until you run out of articles "of that quality". I mean, this is getting boring. KFan II 19:08, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Ads By Google
The "Ads by Google" sometimes have nothing to do with this Wiki. Usually they are Star Wars-based, but sometimes - well - they don't make sense, such as:

"LEARN ITALIAN REALLY FAST An astonishingly fast and easy way to learn Italian. Words just stick."


 * It happens. The system isn't perfect, and sometimes they simply need to advertise something else. It works, and it's not a big deal if we get an off topic ad once in a while. – Aidje talk 22:56, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)


 * Usually theyre search terms that come up as a result of the article, but this has nothing to do with it. However, be glad that they're not flash animations, like Click Here to Win a Free Ipod!!!!.... -- Riffsyphon1024 23:06, 11 Aug 2005 (UTC)


 * Firstly, I thought, “¿What ads?”, but then I thought, “Maybe they use JavaScript.”. They, evidently, require JavaScript.  For reasons of security, you should surf with JavaScript off.
 * Evidently, a programmer at Google.Com impressed a pointy-haired manager with this JavaScript. If I would be the Pointy-Haired Manager, I would writeup the programmer for wasting time and  loosing advertiser-revenue  for this stupid hack which is suppose to impress me with  “m4d JavaScript 5ki11z”.   Never use JavaScript for anything which can be done in HTML (JavaScriptLinks instead of target="blank" in the A-tag for opening links in a new window)  or by serverside includes such as this case.
 * Enjoy the ads. I, for one, cannot see them.  By the way, ¿what is a “popup”? ;-)

—

— Ŭalabio‽ 03:49, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)


 * JavaScript can be useful for some things, Walabio, but if you want to not use it, that's fine with me. I find that not using it tends to hamper my surfing since so many sites rely on it. I think I'm fine in the security department. And by the way, some people use JavaScript instead of the HTML target attribute because they wish to have valid code&mdash;the target attribute has been deprecated in XHTML. It is also used as a substitute for some CSS elements which are not supported by browsers such as Internet Explorer. When I'm designing a page, I just say that IE users are out of luck if IE doesn't support a perfectly valid XHTML or CSS element, but some webdesigners must make their sites comply with IE. A popup is one of those ads that opens a new window. Very annoying, but very avoidable if one uses the right settings and/or software. – Aidje talk 04:24, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)

– Aidje talk 04:24, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)

	>	“And by the way, some people use JavaScript instead of the HTML target attribute because they wish to have valid code&mdash;the target attribute has been deprecated in XHTML.”  ¡Deprecated! ¡It should be undeprecated! ''	>	“A popup is one of those ads that opens a new window. Very annoying, but very avoidable if one uses the right settings and/or software.” ''

Either you did not see my smiley, or this is a joke on your part. The point is that those annoying popups cannot pop without JavaScript. I have been popup-free since the last millennium. - — Ŭalabio‽ 04:46, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * For god's sake, Walabio, we don't really care. And please, stop putting all this blank space in your posts. QuentinGeorge 04:58, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * All right! I get the point. I didn't want to make a big deal out of this - oh, and Walabio, stop telling us stuff we don't care about! I'm popup-free too! Big woop! I don't come to Star Wars Wiki to learn about scriptofjava or whatever. KFan II 13:09, 15 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * There is no emotion... - Sikon 15:37, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Meaning of words
I have a question, and I didn't know where to pose it, so I posed it here. What does "indigneous" mean? I see it in a lot of planet entries. KFan II 15:21, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * From Wiktionary:


 * indigenous
 * Naturally associated with, that which was present before an intrusion


 * In other words, a species indigenous to a particular planet (say, Jawas to Tatooine) evolved there, as opposed to coming there from somewhere else. MarcK 15:25, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Thanx. I had a clue it meant that, but at first I thought it meant "not intelligent enough to rule the planet". Once again, thank you. KFan II 16:12, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Reasoning
Well, I was browsing around the wiki, and found out that Palpatine is a protected page, while Main Page is not. I just want to know why this is. KFan II 03:12, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * There is something of an "Edit War" going on in Palpatine's page. We are currently trying to resolve some disputes. See the article's talk page for more info. User:SFH
 * Well, there's a never-ending edit war on the Main Page between honest Wookieepedians and vandals; it's calmed down for now, but it will inevitably flare up again soon. I once again request that we strongly consider locking it down; any advantages gained by making the Main Page accessible to all are surely outweighed by the disadvantages. jSarek 05:21, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I can protect it again, and since the attempt is made to make the boxes templates on the main page, there shouldn't be a dispute over unlocking it for edit. -- Riffsyphon1024 05:24, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Is there any way you could restrict main page editing privleges to logged-in users? (Did I ask this before?)  &mdash; Silly Dan  21:15, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Page Protection
I've just been going through the history of the main page and im worried about the number of vandalism attempts that have been made and commited on the Main Page. I suggest that we make the main page a protected page so as to prevent this. Maybe make it so only registered users can change anything on it. It's just not woth the effort of the few who do their best to keep this site respectable to keep changing and reverting the main page. I personally wouldn't want a main page with 200 odd links to a porn site like we have had already!

So, i suggets a vote. Whats the point of making a wiki site for respectable use of wan**rs and c**ts are going to screw it up!! -- Jasca Ducato 14:17, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Protection and Wikicities: Help: Main Page give reasons (which I don't necessarily agree with) why the main page shouldn't be protected.  &mdash; Silly Dan  17:13, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I understand that, but if u look on Memory Alpha, they have protected their Main page, so why shouldn't we. Like i said before, whats the point of haveing a main page if alls it's going to do is get vandalised! -- Jasca Ducato 19:20, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Longest Article
I didn't know where to post but I was wondering, what is perhaps the largest article on Wookieepedia?
 * Special:Longpages says it's the List of planets, followed by Star Wars Episode III: Revenge of the Sith. &mdash; Silly Dan  23:47, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Seeing that alot of our largest articles are lists, we have ALOT of work to do!
 * Yes, but we've only just been at it since March, so I think we've done great considering how young we are. WhiteBoy 04:08, 12 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Things like the list of planets are going to be hard to beat because it's so huge. Even some of the well-filled-out articles are not going to be as big as it when they are done, methinks. --beeurd 20:35, 12 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Though when wikified the article will get smaller, currently Evasive Action: Reversal of Fortune has passed Revenge of the Sith for second largest article! --24.247.124.158 21:14, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Memory Alpha's articles will always be bigger than ours. Star Trek has alot more detail that Star Wars. Take a look at their Galaxy class ship article! We'll never be able to get past the size of some of their articles! --24.247.124.158 15:09, 16 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Sandbox
Should we do somthing like a Sandbox page so that people who have just started editing can practice their sklls. The page would then be periodically cleared by one of the more experienced Users so it can begin again. Any thoughts? Jasca Ducato 18:03, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Sounds good. Even something like the test section of Wikipedia:Wikipedia:Introduction would be good.-LtNOWIS 22:24, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Seems likely and needed now considering the amount of users unfamiliar with the software. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:52, 12 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Glad to hear it. Can we call a vote on it or something? Jasca Ducato 15:46, 12 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Since everyone seems to be for it, I don't know if we even need a vote. &mdash; Silly Dan  21:46, 12 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Yea, this seems like a given. So I propose a new name for it. Instead of the Sandbox, we could call it Dune Sea. Jundland Wastes might also work, considering all the text is practice and waste. :). -- Riffsyphon1024 02:23, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * So, its a yes then. We'll make a "Sandbox" page. I like the idea of a different name however! Any suggestions other than the ones Riffsyphon1024 gave? (not that i don't like those names, just that i thinki we need a wider choice) Jasca Ducato 14:26, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * How about the Trash Compactor? MarcK 14:56, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * How about SnootleDoodles :-) --Azizlight 15:02, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * How about Rancor Pit? -- SFH 15:08, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Haha! Some good choices, but i doubt that  Trash Compactor  or  SnootleDoodles will be suitable for a sandbox. Good ideas though! I just thought of one, how about Jabba's Estate!?! It's a mess in canon and would suit the nature of the page well! What do you think? Jasca Ducato 18:15, 15 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm sticking with mine. -- Riffsyphon1024 05:34, 16 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Fine, its sorted, after a long deliberation i have decided to go with Riffsyphon1024 choice of Jundland Waste. All we need now is a link on the mainpage or at least a notice! Jasca Ducato 14:11, 16 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Here's the link Jundland Waste. Jasca Ducato 14:20, 16 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Technically I would have left the s on Wastes, but I guess it can't be confused with the location now. -- Riffsyphon1024 20:51, 16 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Character Death locations
I wondering, for the differet charaters it say everything about them under their picture, so would it as be cool if it say what planet they dies on so people wouldn't have to scroll to the bottom of the page to find out.
 * I don't think so. Many characters don't die, don't have their deaths depicted, or die on spacecraft. Just FYI, this is more of a question for Template talk:Character.-LtNOWIS 22:24, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Can you please title a new subject in the discussion page of an article. I have sorted it out now but please try from now on. Jasca Ducato 15:46, 12 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Wookieepedia Pirated?
Can anyone explain why our logo was replaced with this "Pirateopedia" logo. Someone got in where they shouldn't have. -- Riffsyphon1024 21:07, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)

yeah where did this come from? Dylankidwell 21:48, 19 Sep 2005 (EDT)

That might not be the only problem. I'm having trouble loading the site, even on different computers. Is anyone else having that problem? -- SFH 21:35, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * WhiteBoy seems to have fixed the logo. -- Riffsyphon1024 22:42, 19 Sep 2005 (EDT)
 * And its taking a while for the site to load and save. It took me 5 tries to edit this page, I kept getting the preview page. -- Riffsyphon1024 22:41, 19 Sep 2005 (EDT)
 * That's happening to me as well. Could we really have been h4x0r3d to the m4x0r? MarcK 17:47, 19 Sep 2005 (EDT)
 * Apparently it's not just us. MarcK 18:00, 19 Sep 2005 (EDT)
 * Sorry - this was a caching problem that occured when three new servers were installed this week. Please see Community portal for details. Angela (talk) 00:26, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * The Pirateopedia logo is from Uncyclopedia. It was an Uncyclopedia joke when they pretended their Main Page was "vandalized", while in fact it was deliberately altered by the admins. No idea how it got here, though. - Sikon 06:02, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Request
I would like to request that a artical on the Delagation Of 2000 be created Dylankidwell 01:37, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC) I didnt see and plus i spelled it wrong! well i guess others can us this to request pages. Dylankidwell 01:45, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * We already have one - Delegation of 2,000. QuentinGeorge 01:40, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * There's already a page for that: Star Wars:Requests-LtNOWIS 02:00, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Coleman Kcaj Picture Found
I found a picture of Coleman and I added it. Check it out. Coleman Kcaj--Dylankidwell 02:59, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)