Talk:Imperial I-class Star Destroyer/Legends

Should there be an individual entry for both the Imperial I-class Star Destroyer and the Imperial II-class Star Destroyer? --SparqMan 17:09, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I´m not sure, since there isn´t much to say about the Mk. II other than the few cosmetic differences. It´s why I feel they should just be mentioned on the original page. Same with Acclamator Mk. IIs and Victory Mk. IIs. VT-16 10:41, 6 May 2005 (UTC)
 * They are differently armed, though I don't think they deserve seperate articles, I think they deserve mention.--Gen.d 12:27, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Hm, I think that with the Acclamator and Victory series they should have their own pages because the purpose of the ship changed. The ISDII was just an upgrade from the ISDI with more weaponry and heavier armor plating. I wouldn't be opposed to giving it its own page, but a lot of the content would be redundant. --SparqMan 13:10, 27 May 2005 (UTC)
 * They changed armament, iirc; they removed proton torpedoes or something. Must go dig out my books. --Gen.d 15:21, 27 May 2005 (UTC)

Walabio has chosen to go rogue, alter the name and move the article. Can we take a serious look at the sources to make a decision on this? As far as I see it, the films call them Imperial Star Destroyers, which is backed by a good number of sources. Curtis Saxton seems to be the only person related to Lucasfilm in any way that supports the Imperator name. --SparqMan 03:00, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)


 * ¡Rogue! How dare you insult me‽  ¿Do I insult you?  ¡No!  Even your editsummary is insulting.  The editsummary for the mainpage claims that I exaggerate.  I merely applied logic:  Surely, Palpatine did not commit only one starship for every one hundred systems.  ¿How would the Empire hold together under those conditions?  People should not just believe whatever people tell them.  It is good to examine everything critically.


 * Certainly, people call them Imperial Stardestroyers. Also people call the  Enterprise  over in Alameda an American Aircraftcarrier.  ¿Is it an  American-Class?  No.  American is just a descriptive adjective.  The Enterprise is a  Constitution-Class — on wait, that is a different  Enterprise.  Imperial is just an adjective.  An Imperator is no more  Imperial-class than the  Enterpise  is  Federation-Class.

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— Ŭalabio‽ 04:09, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Even Saxton finally acknowledged the power of quantity over quality in canon terminology and invented a plausible reason why it is Imperial class for ICS.
 * It's logical to go with the latest name for the class, just like we do with peoples' "legal" vs. birth names (Lumpawarrump vs Lumpawaroo, Leia Organa vs Leia Organa Solo, etc.). The Empire called them "Imperial" at some point after KDY started building them, and it stuck.
 * And it pains me to say this, because I used to be a vocal advocate of using "Imperator" exclusively. At least common sense prevailed on most of the various "Executor" debates.
 * I think the lesson here is that logic isn't canon until someone in Lucasfilm licensing agrees it is.
 * -- Darth Culator 04:16, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)


 * I have reverted Walabio's edit and moved the article back to it's original name. Walabio: As far as I see, Imperial is canon, no matter how stupid you may think it sounds. If you seriously wish to have these changes made, try asking people about it first. – Aidje talk 04:52, 3 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Close-Range Fighting Ability
"The weapons systems are not very capable of targeting at point-blank range, a weakness exploited by the Rebel fleet at the Battle of Endor." What source makes this claim? I thought the Imperial fleet fought poorly at Endor because they had their hands tied by the Emperor, and then went into mental withdrawal when they suddenly lost the aid of his battle meditation. JimRaynor55 14:47, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC) Turbolasers and ion cannons are really general terms that can cover weapons big and small. Some sources also mention quad laser cannons, and the latest WOTC rpg stats added point defense guns. JimRaynor55 15:12, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm not sure of the source, but ISD's possesed only turbolasers and ion cannons, which are geared toward freighters and capital ships, so it may have been targeting issues. -- SFH 14:58, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Mark I and Mark II
As far as I understand, a ship's class is different from that of its subclass. In most ship class naming, the class remains the same despite the subclass. Naming some Imperial-class vessels Imperial I and others Imperial II makes two completely separate classes of ships, which they are not. The Imperial-class has two subclasses, the Mark I and the Mark II, the latter being the more advance version of the former, not completely separate classes. Many of the Imperial-class Star Destroyer entries are being changed to Imperial I and Imperial II, which is not the same thing as saying Mark I and Mark II. I believe this should be standardized and, thus, made uniform.--SOCL 12:28, 21 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * They are not completely separate classes. The Imperial II was an upgraded version of the Imperial I. Therefore, it should remain that way and not "Imperial-class Star Destroyer, Mark I", etc. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 21:43, 21 Oct 2005 (UTC)