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Move
Move this to Cronal (over redirect) with Blackhole explanation in the lead? --SparqMan 17:40, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Ismaren
On a completely unrelated topic, wasn't Cronal killed in the fight that led to Irek's brain damage? Or was that yet another Dark Jedi?Erl 01:18, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 01:51, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

If Cronal was the Dark Jedi that fought Irek, then he is dead. The Irek Ismaren article says so, and I remember reading in the book that the Dark Jedi was killed. - Bub
 * Well, Cronal is alive, so that doesn't work... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 22:59, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What's the source that has Blackhole as the Dark Jedi who was on Coruscant with Roganda and Irek? Because that guy is supposed to be dead; he put his lightsaber through Irek's brain, and Irek killed him.
 * Uh, this has been discussed twice above. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 20:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Cronal
The Cronal article over at Wikipedia is a bit more expansive than ours. If you have a moment, merge in the text and place wikipedia here. --SparqMan 10:16, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * What if some of it is incorrect? Admiral J. Nebulax 21:54, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Then we'll simply correct it.
 * Of course we would. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:34, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I added the part about Shadowspawn being suspected of being Cronal. Seems unlikely though, givin Cronal's physical condition.--Darth OblivionComlinkSith_Emblem.svg 20:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it seems impossible that they are the same. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 00:02, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Cronal and Nyax
It was indeed Cronal who helped modify Irek Ismaren, according to Droids, Technology and the Force: A Clash of Phenomena: "The lethal potential of the subelectronic converter was seen in the last decades, with the Ismarens' nearly successful resurrection of the Eye of Palpatine weapons platform and ultimately, with the suspected help of Lord Cronal, the conversion of Irek into a mechanical monster himself." jSarek 00:51, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Key words: "suspected help". Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 11:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Nebulax, why can't you simply accept that Cronal is dead?  Bub  Talk  01:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Because no source has said he's dead. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 11:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * JSarek's post explains it. A lot of things have been "suspected" in the Star Wars universe, and most of them have been simply ignored. Why do you hang on to this? Bub 02:16, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Because no source has said he's dead. It only says "suspected". It doesn't say he was that Dark Jedi. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 20:35, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Cronal isn't dead. He keeps coming back.... I have a theory on that, but it's fanon at this point. anyways,  Jedi Academy Training Manual page 121 states plainly that  "Later, they book passage from Belsavis to Coruscant, where Roganda hires Lord Cronal, a former Prophet of the Darkside, to continue Irek's training.  However, Irek loses his temper during a lesson, triggering a lightsaber duel with Cronal that almosts costs Irek his life". Cronal seems to die on Mindor(?), Byss(?), Coruscant(?).... this is really giving credence to my (fanon) theory of him being one and the same with Set Harth. Until then.... edits need to be made by someone more skilled than I.--Icepirate 22:30, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Image
I got the idea that the image was actually that of the Dark Underlord. If not, it seems to have no relevance to this article. Chack Jadson 22:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The infobox image? --Imp 22:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope, that image is of Agent Blackhole, the most famous alias of Lord Cronal. It comes from both Star Wars Gamer 5 and the Rebellion Era Sourcebook. jSarek 23:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Which Dark Underlord? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 23:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Jack: This one-Dark Underlord. Imp: the infobox one. I based my staement on info in the BTS from Pena. Chack Jadson 20:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What does the picture of Blackhole have to do with the Dark Underlord? --Imp 20:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I don't get it. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 21:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The Dark Underlord was a shadowy dark side entity not fully in the material world, a concept Pena originally planned for Blackhole but used for the Underlord instead; if you don't know Cronal always preferred to work as a holoprojected image rather than reveal himself, the pic looks like a representation of this concept. jSarek 08:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 12:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you, jSarek. I didn't know he used a holgram, so thanks. Learn something new everyday. Chack Jadson 21:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And I learned there's a Dark Underlord. ;) Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 22:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Sariss - Cronal's daughter?
What's the source for this? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 00:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Had to search a bit. It's from Part 6 of The Dark Forces Saga: "It was from the prophet Lord Cronal, father to the sorceress Sariss and the man later known as the shadowy Dark Side magus Blackhole [...]" --Craven 01:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 12:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Lord Shadowspawn Redirect needed
Major Spoilers Ahead

Because of secrets revealed in "Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor" it turns out that Lord Shadowspawn IS NOT Blackhole, but actually a mind-controlled Nick Rostu. So someone who knows what they're doing should make it so "Lord Shadowspawn" redirects to "Nick Rostu". Thanks in advance.--Anderson 03:22, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
 * My understanding is that it's Rostu's body, but Cronal's mind. Thus, "Shadowspawn" is Cronal, but "Shadow's Pawn" is Rostu. Thefourdotelipsis 03:32, 1 January 2009 (UTC)

Shadows of Mindor image
Having read the book, I believe the image on the back cover is not of Cronal, but Nick Rostu as Shadowspawn. (Readers of the book will understand what I mean.) Grand Moff Tranner (Comlink) 00:46, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Image Vote
Vote calling for main image on info box. JediTrainer17


 * Considering the first one isn't an image of him, the second one. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 20:25, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. QuentinGeorge 20:30, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I shall hop on the obvious train with I need a name and Quentin. jSarek 20:35, 16 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Per jSarek. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Talk page ) 20:43, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

Death
All right, he dies in Mindor, no? The only reason I ask is because the article seems to indicate that he did stuff after 5 ABY, which obviously contradicts the novel.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:18, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Evidently he didn't die in Mindor. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 00:19, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Sigh...I was really hoping that I was just misunderstanding the article.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:20, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * The lovely wonderful error-free (cough) Jedi Academy Training Manual just reaffirmed he was responsible in part for turning Irek Ismaren into Lord Nyax, so yes, he's apparently still alive (though I maintain hope there's more than meets the eye in this regard). jSarek 01:30, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
 * He doesn't die In Mindor. Mr. Matthew Stover deliberately wrote this novel as Geptun's HoloNet script of Luke's adventures. Geptun chose to incorrectly kill off Cronal in the script to cast Luke as a hero. --68.117.44.241 17:27, 24 July 2009 (UTC)Darth Praxus- Stover Lover
 * So how did he survive? Mindor explicitly describes him being disintegrated in hyperspace, from Cronal's own POV. That's about as unsurvivable as it gets. &mdash; Red XIV (talk) 10:07, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Wookieepedia articles on both the Battle of Mindor and Cronal say he died, but that is then contradicted soon after in both places. Very confusing. We need a better, more concise way of saying whatever happened. DarTah Ravin

somethings wrong
something seems to be wrong with the article. there are 5 interwikis to jedipedia, one leads to the jedipedia article of cronal the other four are leading to the jedipedia article of pearls in the sand, which also has more than one interwiki link. not sure where the problem is cause i cant find anything when i edit the article. im using the newest version of firefox and the MonoBook site layout, not sure if its a MonoBook problem only. U saw this problem on many other articles but i cannot remember the names. greetings Boba F 02:06, December 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Should be fixed now, someone erroneously put an interwiki link to Pearls in the Sand on Hyperspace. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 11:32, December 5, 2010 (UTC)