Talk:Clone commando/Legends

Has there been any details on the "special commando units" shown in AOTC? When Mace comes out of the gunship, he's greeted by a clone who says "I have five special commando units awaiting your orders, Sir." Later on, you see Mace leading a group of clones who look just like the regular troops. What kind of commando units were they? VT-16 13:48, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * That's commander units.--Xilentshadow900 16:40, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you sure thats commander units? Just curious. Ghost1591 23:52, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * He says "commando units", but who knows. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:29, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * You sure that's not just the accent?--Xilentshadow900 01:20, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sure it's "commando". Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 01:54, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It is commando, though just because he uses that word, doesn't mean he's talking specifically about the clone commandos. Could just be clone troopers participating in commando operations&mdash;otherwise, the GAR would have to keep calling for specialized units whenever any situation developed during battle, rather than letting regular troops assume a variety of battlefield roles. Conversely, they could actually have been RCs, as the commander only says the commandos are awaiting Mace's orders; Windu could have tasked them elsewhere, while he took charge of a group of regular troops - Kwenn 17:06, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * This is something I've been wanting to discuss. I think that RC screwed some things up, and commandos used to wear Phase I armor, then switched to katarn. That would majorly explain the plain troopers of the Muunilinst 10, they were elites. So maybe Mace's commandos were in that squad mentioned by Delta's advisor in RC. hmmmmmmm....... what would Boss and Scorch look like in Phase I armor........ Cool to think about.--1upD 18:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I extremely doubt that. The "plain troopers of the Muunilinst 10" were commando-trained clone troopers, like Valiant, Green Wizard, and probably the commando detachments Mace Windu commanded during Geonosis. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * But canon is in its favor. And that's sorta what I meant about the Muunilinst 10s troops, although I thought they were either RCs or low ranking ARCs. Maybe those are ARC privates--1upD 23:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Refusing Order 66
The article on Olee Starstone says: "they survived Order 66 when their clone commandos refused to fire on them". And the Jedi Purge article, in the "survival unknown" section says, regarding Etain Tur-Mukan: "Author Karen Traviss has left open the possibility that, in a future Republic Commando book, Etain's clone commandos might not kill her when they recieved Order 66"

Should the article mention that some commando squads, such as Etain's Omega Squad, might not have followed Order 66? 151.203.151.111 23:21, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll add something about it now. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 00:24, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Justin Lambros?
Who is this Justin Lambros, that made this statement? I don't believe I've heard of him before, and question his notability. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:33, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * He worked on the game--Xilentshadow900 12:24, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * We was a primary creative on the game. Like I said in the edit summary, the quotation is OOU, so we can ditch it, but it seemed rather nice. --SparqMan 16:56, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I say leave it up there. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:44, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Cestus Deception
Who keeps on taking Cestus Deception out of the appearences? the book has CLONE COMMANDOS in it. It names them that. So cut it out.
 * They aren't Clone commandos. There was a ret-con in insider 84 that stated they were just regular clones, acting as commandos. Republic commando came out in 2005, so it isn't possible for there to be commandos in the cestus deception.--Xilentshadow900 16:34, 4 March 2006 (UTC)

The GAME came out in 2005. Bu Hard Contact came out in october '04. Cestus Deception came out earlier in '04, so it IS possible. According to the books themselves, Hard Contact came out in October '04, and Jedi Trial came out in November '04. Ghost1591 03:13, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * But the ret-con still stands, and they aren't clone commandos. Not the ones featured in the article anyway.--Xilentshadow900 16:55, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I am going to assume your right (since you have Insider and I don't), ok?
 * It also calls them ARC troopers anyway. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 19:40, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm just gonna call them clone trooper elite, ok? How 'bout that?
 * Okay. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:42, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Not Okay.--Xilentshadow900 22:43, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * See Talk:Elite clone trooper. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 01:16, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you guys should know that Jedi trial was made after Hard Contact so it is logical to assume that the clone commandos referred to in Jedi Trial. What do you think? 03:07, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * According to our wiki, they came out the exact same day--Xilentshadow900 03:12, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Strange. I'll have to fix that. As for Jedi Trial, where does it make mention of Clone commandos?--Xilentshadow900 03:15, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No... Amazon lists them as coming out on the same day, and I'm sure they're not wrong, because their business relies on accurate information. As for commandos: You need to realize that just because a clone is called a commando, it doesn't mean that it's an actual, katarn-class armor wearing clone commando. Anything that came out before or around the time of Hard Contact probably doesn't have actual clone commandos in it, besides Hard Contact itself. You see, the commandos were designed pretty late on in the clone wars media campaign, so they wouldn't be in anything earlier.--Xilentshadow900 03:27, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll have to read it. What do you want? A page number + paragraph number or what? I'll get it as soon as I can. Ghost1591 03:17, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Just write out the passage that includes the inclusion of Clone commandos. A quote, or a few sentences would be good.--Xilentshadow900 03:27, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I've read Jedi Trial; I don't remember a metion of clone commandos at all. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 13:07, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Here it is: "Clone commandos were trained to be used for only the most dangerous missions, and as such were bred to possess a larger degree of independent thought and action than ordinary troopers. Equipprf eiyh highly advanced armor and weapons, they were capable of fighting succesfully on their own"

- Exerpt from Page 107, Hardback Edition, Jedi Trial


 * Jack, can you back that up?--Xilentshadow900 15:16, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yep, that's what it says. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 15:41, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * So, what do they do?--Xilentshadow900 15:54, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 15:55, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * How are they relevant to the book? What missions, etc. so we can put it in the article...--Xilentshadow900 17:53, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't see anything. It's probably just a . Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 19:38, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

First Appearence
Just to let you guys know, Hard Contact came out five months before the game, Republic Commando, did, so the first appearence thing should be for Hard Contact. Hope you don't mind if I change it. Ghost1591 18:51, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Corr
At the end of Triple Zero, Skirata says that he is training Corr to be a clone commando. Would he be considered a clone commando? Ghost1591 18:53, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * That's a tough call. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:22, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * As we don't know the fate of Corr, we should leave it as is, and mention something in his article.--Xilentshadow900 01:19, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I really don't think he was a true Katarn-armored RC, just a generic commando at most. So I agree with Xilentshadow. -LtNOWIS 02:34, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:33, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

What do you think?
Do you guys like the new commando page (i'm not taking the credit for it, because lots of other people had a LOT to do with it. My part was miniscule). I think its big improvement and has a lot more info. Ghost1591 23:50, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I need to fix a lot, but it is pretty good. Also, color cordination varied from squad to squad, so I'm cutting that part out.--Xilentshadow900 01:08, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The Cuy'val dar was not all Mandalorians, and some commando squads had no mandalorian heritage at all.--Xilentshadow900 01:10, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Just to let you know, Xilent, in the Republic Commando official strategy guide there is a section on the History of the clone commandos, and it says that all of the sergeants were Mandalorians. 02:58, 9 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well it's wrong, because Karen Traviss, in her books even, says otherwise.--Xilentshadow900 11:15, 9 March 2006 (UTC)

Battle of Praesitlyn
For accuracy's sake, I would like to point out that in Jedi Trial the commandos carried out a behind-lines assault on the Separatist positions, so I think we should at that to the missions list. Commando1138
 * What page is that on? I've read the book a couple of times; I don't remember it. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 01:34, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry I don't know the exact page (i don't own it, i get it from my local library every once in a while:), but it is in there. Commando1138
 * I suggest that you rent it and find the page, then. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 01:44, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I kinda remember that event too although its not clear whether they were RepComs or clone commandos since they used more than a hundred of them and a great majority was killed. --Razzy1319 01:50, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Nebulax, do you have the book? Because if you do could you read it, because I dont have it. If you don't i'll try and pick it up.Commando1138
 * I have it, but I don't have enough time to read it now. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:23, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No offense to you, but I don't have the time either, so we might as well forget about it for now. Commando1138
 * Perhaps someone else has the time to read it. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:24, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * "We will be preceded by clone commandos"

- Page 243, Jedi Trial Commando1138 16:49, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Do they actually fight somewhere in the book? Otherwise, it's a . Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:14, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It mentions them fighting, so it is a . But they still fought there, so I think it should be included on their Known operations.Commando1138 15:50, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, does it have them fight, or does someone say that they fought? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * In a sentence it states that all the commandos went out to fight and didn't come back, and later anakin says the same thing.Commando1138 16:47, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * That's probably not a, then. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 19:53, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Ok, well then I'm gonna remove the on Jedi trial and add the Battle of Praesitlyn to their Known operations list. That ok with you?Commando1138 15:29, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 16:55, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Republic Commando
Where exactly are they referred to as "Republic Commandos"? Kuralyov 06:31, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the title of the game and all the books are titled Republic Commando. Also, their designation number always begins with "RC-####" which is for Republic Commando.  Kind of like the Clone Troopers are CT-####, and Clone Commanders are CC-####.  Hope this answers your question, ner vod.  Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 07:45, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, clone lieutenant was used once somewhere as "CL-####", but it doesn't seem to work for every clone lieutenant. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:40, 18 June 2006 (UTC)

ARC vs. Clone Commando
Now maybe I'm just stupid, but I assume that since Clone Commandos (who by the way are always seen wearing Phase II armor) fought at the Battle of Geonosis, and the ARC troopers (who are always seen wearing the older, Phase I armor) supposedly made there "debut" at the later Defense of Kamino, the two commando units (Clone Commandos and ARCs) are separate. If this is true, then what was the usefulness to the Republic of having two separate commando divisions? And also, why would the ARCs, who appeared later, be wearing the Phase I armor when the Clone Commandos wore newer Phase II armor? Did the Clone Commandos, in fact, wear the exact same armor as regular clone troopers so as to blend in? Or perhaps they wore the armor of ARCs, but were originally called Clone Commandos, so that when the ARCs "first" fought on Kamino, it was not their actual first battle, but their first battle under their new title of "Advanced Recon Commando"?

I had always felt that the Clone Commandos came after the ARCs and eventually replaced the ARCs altogether. But from the evidence on the article page, Clone Commandos were around before the ARCs. Can someone help clarify, and perhaps mention on the article page the relation between Clone Commandos and ARCs? Thanks. Lucas Wolfdog 03:51, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Clone commandos operated in squads while ARCs worked alone. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:25, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Clone commandos first saw action on Geonosis (Star Wars: Republic Commando, Hard Contact) while ARCs were activated to protect Kamino (Star Wars Republic 50: The Battle of Kamino). Commandos wear Katarn-class armor, which is different from, but eventually partially inspires, Phase II armor. And, as pointed out above, commandos and ARCs have a different operational structure. ARCs often led regular clones or specialized units into battle (Star Wars: Clone Wars) or worked alone - Kwenn 21:33, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Both be commandos, but that doesn't mean they can't be different (like how the clone trooper heavy weapons specialist and clone heavy gunner are different). Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:13, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

I would like to point out a difference i noticed between the RCs and the ARCs. Republic Commandos are like the Navy SEALs of the GAR, carrying out behind-lines assaults, assassination, as well as reconnaissance and anti-terrorist operations. The Advanced Recon Commandos are like the US Army Special Forces (better known as the Green Berets), who carry out operations like PsyOps (psychological warfare), CSAR (Combat Search and Rescue, such as when they rescued the Jedi from General Grievous), guerilla-training operations (such as the mission to Ord Cestus), and assaults on targets in conjunction with military campaigns (such as on Muunilinst). The RCs work in squads of four, while the ARC's work in assault teams of 10 or so, or by themselves. This is non-canon. It's just a theory of mine. But i think it makes sense.
 * It's not non-canon; it's speculation. But anyway, ARCs work alone usually. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 16:21, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, thats why i called it a theory.

I would think that ARCs and commandos are pretty much the same thing, but with katarn armor they're never called ARCs. So ARCs would just be the not as stealthy ones ones.--1upD 18:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Why would the Kaminoans create two types of soldiers if they were meant for the same role? ARCs and clone commandos are different. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:20, 9 August 2006 (UTC)