Talk:Darth Nox

Do we even need this?
The article is non-specific to the extreme, and covers a game mechanism, not an actual Star Wars character. I highly doubt it should be included at all. Gorthuar 19:59, October 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * I would suggest reserving judgement, as this may be the most viable option for depicting the events of the game. Much as the anonymous Spacers of Galaxies serve as a catch-all descriptor for the players, so too could an article for each class serve to frame the canonical in-game content.  DD97 Which bear is best? 20:12, October 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Before the article was created it was brought up at WookieeProject The Old Republic and the project lead agreed that they warranted an article. Unlike the Spacer from Galaxies, the individual classes are characters - every bit as Revan and the Jedi Exile are; apart from their species the class-characters are as defined as the aforementioned (prior to their gender being made canon).
 * The Inquisitor for example: is brought to Korriban and follows a story that eventually makes him or her the apprtice of the Sith Lord Zash, and along his/her adventure s/he picks up various companions - such as Khem Val, the starship they fly is as unique to them as the Ebon Hawke was to Revan.
 * Considering that story is central to swtor, and it is BioWare developing - the classes are actual star wars characters. Alexsau1991 (talk page) StupidSithEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 23:55, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Name (spoiler)
Once the game is released, I believe it should be renamed to Darth Nox, the name given to the character by the Dark Council.--Seth danny 23:45, December 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * are you sure there aren't any other ways of it ending (without becoming a darth?).--Gboy4 00:08, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Even as a light sider, I believe the final battle remains the same, and I don't think the character is in a position to deny the council at that moment. But more will be known after the release. I wanted to support the fact that the Sith Inquisitor is an actual character with a solid (and marvelous) story, not some random PC.--Seth danny 02:01, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * You get Darth Imperius if your neutral, and Darth Occulus if your light. We don't have a dev quote or canonical statement that Kallig was known as Darth Nox, so it shouldn't be changed. But it was most likely Darth Nox cause Kallig was probably dark-sided and evil.(Mattto123 09:09, May 14, 2012 (UTC))
 * I've just completed the Sith Inquisitor story line a few days ago. In fact, you get Darth Occlus if neutral. I have the screenshot with subtitle but I can't upload it.--Foxbite (talk) 17:29, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Upload it through here and remember to fill in the gaps. Present a description, the license choose the Game screenshot, and in Source write this: Star Wars The Old Republic. Winterz (talk) 18:41, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * The system abuse my upload, screw the threshold. I've uploaded it to my personal web space http://sonance.com.tw/Foxbite/Darth_Marr_declares_Kallig_as_Darh_Occlus.jpg --Foxbite (talk) 09:47, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well that must be some sort of bug, because not only he meant 'Darth Occulus' but also Occulus sould be a "Grey Sith", therefore neutral. Check TOR's official site. Winterz (talk) 10:03, November 21, 2012 (UTC)

If this, why not others?
If we have a page about the Sith Inquisiter of the game, why not the others. Unidentified Jedi Knight and such?--Jet Twilights 03:25, December 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * If you want to do it then by all means, I doubt anyone will mind and I think they all play notable roles but I don't know enough to do it myself.-Gboy4 01:48, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not the best at MAKING pages. I've never done it before, actually.--174.62.183.126 02:54, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Darth Nox
I've just learned in numerous videos on YouTube that after the Inquisitor defeats Darth Thanaton, he or she is given the name "Darth Nox." So I suggest that this article be moved to a more identifying name. Lord KOT 23:24, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * The name is not always "Darth Nox" though. As a lightsider, the Inquisitor receives the name "Darth Occulus" and if neutral the name "Darth Imperius". Strenalis 00:27, December 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * It would still be an identifying name though. I remember a developer saying a while back that default Jedi choices were lightsided, default Sith choices were darkside and default Bounty Hunter/Imperial Agent/Smuggler/Trooper choices were neutral - an example being, in a group conversation fail to answer will automatically select say the dark side option if playing a Sith.
 * Not to say that I'm miss interpreting 'default' as 'canon', but then Revan and Meetra Surik's articles was written from a lightside perspective long before we knew what their canon fates were.
 * Failing that the 3rd option could be something like: Descendent of Kallig. Alexsau1991 (talk page) StupidSithEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 20:29, January 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Infact.. I think we should just move this article to: Kallig, since after defeating Zash, Aloysius Kallig states to the Inquisitor "you are Lord Kallig now." We can then have a header for those looking for Aloysius Kallig. Alexsau1991 (talk page) StupidSithEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 00:48, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm with Alexsau on this one. We know that, regardless of alignment, upon becoming a Lord, the player is referred to as "Lord Kallig" by their ancestor. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 01:01, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Is it right to call Kallig as Darth Nox in the last part of Kallig's bio. It has not been stated whether or not Darth Nox is the canon name for Kallig. --Senjuto 14:26, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * The article needs to be renamed to "Darth Nox." Kallig named the character "Kallig," which is the name the character bore until Darth Marr renamed the character "Darth Nox." That's the last name we see the character with, and the most prominent thenceforth.  —Tommy  9281  Sunday, May 6, 2012, 08:00 UTC 
 * I do agree, though despite Dark Side Darth Nox being default, both Darth Occulus and Darth Imperious are alternate titles received by those who go neutral or lightside. Making it difficult to choose one over the others. Alexsau1991 (talk page) SithEmblemTOR.PNG 18:51, May 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll give this until this Sunday. If no valid arguments are presented that compel us to keep the article named Kallig, I'll be moving it to Darth Nox.  —Tommy  9281  Thursday, May 10, 2012, 20:31 UTC 
 * Alex, in case you haven't, read this CT. For now, we are operating under the assumption that the dark side options are canon for Imperial characters, so Occulus and Imperius are non-canon. Darth Nox is Kallig's correct title, and Kallig should be moved there because it is the latest title we have for the character. Isn't that in the naming conventions policy? Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 20:35, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm... If that's the case, I'll change it to Darth Nox on Korriban Sith Academy and other pages that I can find. (Mattto123 11:23, May 14, 2012 (UTC))

Eye color
Eye color is decided by the player, and even if it wasn't, red is not the usual color for Dark side corruption. Rather, yellow would be the canonical Dark side color. Regardless, it's player-chosen. I reccomend that it be removed. The Wise One, Gnost-Dural himself!.  The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.  16:11, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Non-Specific Pronouns or Two Persons for the price of One
I keep seeing "they" in places that describe Lord Kallig. Now either writers/editors are implying that the Sith Inquisitor has multiple personality disorder, or they're trying to avoid giving a sex specific pronoun. The problem with using "they" is that the article is now fairly ridiculous (Lord Kallig being more than one person). To remedy this, we should just pick a sex, change the pronouns, and leave it until something canonical comes up, because the alternative is having a nonsensical article. - Me (8:27 EST, 1/26/2012)


 * I'm not a native speaker of English, but I think we should not "pick a sex", beacause we have absolutely no right to chose for ourselves. By the way, it seems that the use of the "singular they" os acceptable and not "nonsensical" (the other wiki says: "The 2011 translation of the New International Version Bible utilizes singular they instead of "he" or "he or she", reflecting changes in English usage. The translators commissioned a study of modern English usage and determined that singular "they" ("them"/"their") is by far the most common way that English-language speakers and writers today refer back to singular antecedents such as "whoever, anyone, somebody, a person, no one, and the like.") LelalMekha 19:16, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

--168.156.1.178 20:04, February 6, 2012 (UTC)Should the missions to Nar Shaddaa, Balmorra, etc. be expanded on?

Why Dark Side assumption?
I'm just wondering why the article makes dark side assumptions. From what I've seen there are no canon facts that support either the dark or light side option for any of the characters. With the story turning out the same way in many of the cases I don't see a problem in writing neutral articles without assumption. If there is a reason for the assumption I'm just curious for what it is.--Raymasho 14:15, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Im' not the one who first came with this assumption but my guess is that: Sith are expected to behave... well, Sithly, and Jedi are expected to behave Jedily. This seems to be a rational and quite reasonable assumption, methinks. --LelalMekha 14:25, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd have to disagree due to that several of the "dark side" options for the Jedi Consular for example are typical things that Star Wars in general involve the mainj character in. The best example would be the romance option which is something you gain dark side points for. Yet within nearly all Star Wars media Love plays an important role and it would seem foolish to dismiss it due to assumptions. I'm not saying that we should include the romance but simply that we should be careful when assuming dark or light when it comes to this game due to the rather odd results at times. --Raymasho 14:33, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * The assumptions stand as they are because they are the safest and most logical method of writing an article for a "player choice-based" character whose canon story is not yet revealed. This is not one-and-the-same as deciding the canon story, but rather presenting the most likely order of events while at the same time alerting the Wiki reader to other possibilities.--Master Dakari 07:54, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * See this consensus. Until TOR ends and we are given more information about the canon identities of the characters, we will follow what we have decided. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 18:54, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * I wasn't aware that discussion took place, though I agree fully with the outcome. That being the case, shouldn't this be moved to Darth Nox. We can then make a clear case for writing the article with the Dark Side slant, with Lightside options clearly detailed in the behind the scenes section. Alexsau1991 (talk page) SithEmblemTOR.PNG 19:26, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Picture
I added a picture of an inquisitor, as the Wrath has a own picture aswell. --ShenLong Kazama 15:22, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Whilst I agree that an image could/should be added. The one you choose showed: A. the physical appearance of your character, B. a helmet that not all characters receive, ergo neither are canon.
 * I would recommend adding an image of the first mask that Kallig receives, and then cropping it close enough that the body is not displayed. Alexsau1991 (talk page) SithEmblemTOR.PNG 20:48, May 10, 2012 (UTC)

Darth Nox
Yes I know you get Darth Nox when you become Dark Councilor, however nobody addressees you as that after Marr proclaims you like that. I don't remember my allies or servants calling my Lord Nox or anything. Also I realized that you get called "Kallig" or "Lord Kallig" multiple times in the storyline. I'm only basing on cutscenes I've seen on youtube, as my assassin is only level 28, almost 29. (Mattto123 11:57, May 14, 2012 (UTC))
 * Since different alignments result in different Darth titles, the developers chose to have characters refer to the player as Kallig regardless of their alignment and other options. Fewer audio files, basically. But Nox is still canon - and the article is Darth Nox for the same reason that Jacen Solo's article is Darth Caedua. It's the latest title that we know Kallig receives.  Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 12:02, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Where was it said, that darkside is canon???
 * Caedus was deemed canon by novel. Nox isn't. Sorz but i'm sort of reluctant on this whole Nox thingy. True canon is where a canon statement quote thing is used. Could you tell me if someone other than Darth Marr calls you Nox? Also Jacen Solo used to be a Jedi, he sort of got redeemed in the end. Kallig is no jedi. By that logic, shouldn't Anakin Skywalker be called Darth Vader?
 * Anakin was redeemed, Caedus was not, an offical source titles the DS Inquisitor as Darth Nox, and no other title supplants it before the present endpoint of that character's storyline. Thus, things are exactly in line with site policy. No further confirmation or inquiry is necessary.  DD97 Which bear is best? 19:49, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * So by that logic, Dooku's page should be renamed as "Darth Tyrannus" because if you read the ROTS novel, he doesn't get redeemed, he dies of fear, he's last thought is "Treachery is the way of the Sith". So he dies with the feeling of fear and the feeling of betrayal. (Mattto123 22:20, May 14, 2012 (UTC))
 * Interestingly, logic isn't the overriding concern here, but adherence to site policy. Fortunately, we have an entire page devoted to our naming policy you can peruse to satisfy your curiosity. In short, circumstances unique to Anakin, Dooku and Caedus respectively each necessitate that their articles be named accordingly.  DD97 Which bear is best? 04:16, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, what's the "offical source". Don't tell me it's wookieepedia. (Mattto123 22:27, May 14, 2012 (UTC))
 * Are you serious? It's The Old Republic, you yourself attest so at the beginning of this very topic.  DD97 Which bear is best? 04:16, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm not going to say a lot more right now, my assassin is only level 29 so i'll wait and see. But i'm going through another video to check it for now. (Mattto123 06:12, May 15, 2012 (UTC))
 * Actually, I've just watched another video and it mentions Darth Nox. So sorry if i caused any unnecessary inconvenience. (Mattto123 06:16, May 15, 2012 (UTC))
 * It's fine. Your questions are far more productive than other people's... just look at this. :P Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 14:23, May 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I saw that already. (Mattto123 06:39, May 16, 2012 (UTC))

Dark side
It just like the player plays, and if we say darkside is canon, we create our own canon, but that isn't that what this page are for...
 * See this consensus track. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 22:58, May 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * I dont think we can realy vote about it. That is faon not canon. We must wait for something official... What is if the Canon say at the end, Darth imperius is canon, the Sage wars darkside nd so on ... a vote doesn't make sense
 * In the meantime, the vote does make sense. The article says: "The events in this section may or may not be confirmed as canon." We're not asserting what we have written is absolutely right, we've just chosen the best option available until the "Word of God" is given to us. The community has decided, and there are no grounds for contest. Please also sign your comments with four tilde, whether you have an account or not. --LelalMekha 16:03, June 2, 2012 (UTC)

Gender
What is the canonical gender of Darth Nox. Someone made the page refer to Nox as a male, yet we weren't told yet by Leland what the gender is for Darth Nox and the Emperor's Wrath. --Senjuto 21:56, August 13, 2012 (UTC) I hope Nox and the Wrath are both male, fits better into the story in my opinion. --ShenLong Kazama (talk) 16:38, August 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, you're right. The occurrences of he/him/his should be changed to they/them/their. --LelalMekha (talk) 21:58, August 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * My bad, thanks for changing it. Winterz (talk) 23:34, August 13, 2012 (UTC)

Main image
Why don't we use the image of Kallig's Countenance for Darth Nox's main image? We know (s)he gets it in the main quest, and is an important item to them, and we did something similar with the Emperor's Wrath. Just my 2 cents.--ARC Commander Colt (talk) 01:26, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * We have no idea if he's supposed to use his ancestor's mask or not, but I don't think he is. The council seat is fine for now. Winterz (talk) 02:14, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * The clear indication in the game is that the player does indeed receive the mask (you have to) and uses it during the duel with Zash. It would be an acceptable main image. I have one that I'll upload to test out. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 02:21, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, in the conversation with Aloysius Kallig, he says to reclaim his mask so you can stand against Zash. The implication is that you took it so you could wear it&mdash;thus I believe it's acceptable to use an image, as Trayus said.--ARC Commander Colt (talk) 02:23, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Argh, I still didn't got that far. My bad. Winterz (talk) 02:32, August 28, 2012 (UTC)

Image
As stated above, I believe we should use Kallig's Countenance for an image, rather than a council seat. It would provide a more acceptable image for Nox. I mean, the one we have now is just a chair, with someone about to sit with it. Look at the comparison and decide. Weirdo Guy (talk ) 04:07, October 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Read conversation above. You may add it, but remember to leave a summary explaining why. And that's Darth Nox's seat on the council, one of the few things that is guaranteed. Winterz (talk) 09:26, October 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I endorse the image change. If the issue remains resolved by this coming Sunday without the image having been changed, I'll do it myself.  —Tommy  9281  Friday, October 12, 2012, 11:35 UTC 
 * I support the change, too. --LelalMekha (talk) 11:45, October 12, 2012 (UTC)

New Picture
Added a new picture which should please everybody. --ShenLong Kazama (talk) 21:21, October 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * The new picture has the top cropped of of it, the previous image was fine. Alexsau1991 (talk page) Goddammit.svg 00:34, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually it wasn't. The previous one clearly shows a male body with extended shoulders. Now this one's perfect. EDIT: Argh I was watching after Alex's edit. They're both decent enough but I guess Alex's has better quality so just leave it be now. Winterz (talk) 00:41, October 23, 2012 (UTC)

Removed the picture because it was clearly female. The gender has not been confirmed so better no picture until we got confirmation. --ShenLong Kazama (talk) 10:54, October 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * There was nothing clear about the gender of that image. I replaced it, this is the image we will be using until we have something more conclusive.' This is the only warning for future editing: change or removal of the current image by anyone will result in a block of that individual.  —Tommy  9281  Tuesday, October 23, 2012, 11:05 UTC 

Gender confirmed?
I got the TOR encyclopedia and the inquisitor and warrior were portrayed as male, shouldn't we update it? --ShenLong Kazama (talk) 13:55, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * IIRC Cade asked one of the writers about it on Twitter and was informed that the player models seen in the Encyclopedia were not to be taken as confirmation. &mdash; DigiFluid(Whine here) 13:59, November 21, 2012 (UTC)