User talk:Toprawa and Ralltiir

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Re:Koffi
Sorry about that, I'd forgotten to check on it yesterday. I've stricken the objections. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 20:18, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Re: FAN
Thanks for pointing that out; I could have sworn that I did, but apparently I didn't. :P  CC7567  (talk) 01:09, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Removal of Style
Hi there,

I'm unclear of how the inclusion of the "Style" section on [[Monarch of Naboo][ violates style guidelines, and I'm further unclear on why its removal is warranted, as opposed to some sort of cleanup.

Cheers, ~ Michael von Preußen (voicemail)
 * Well, I'm sure when you first signed up with Wookieepedia you took the time to read the welcome message one of our administrators was generous enough to leave for you, which includes several links to Wookieepedia policy pages, including our Manual of Style and Layout Guide. Those should adequately answer all of your questions. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:36, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have read the Manual of Style several times over, and used it as a base for MoSs on other wikis where none had previously been developed. I still do not see how it forbids the section I added, or any part thereof.  If you could kindly take the time to explain how it does, I would be quite appreciative.  Thanks, ~ Michael von Preußen (voicemail)
 * Evidently you didn't read it closely enough. I really don't even know where to begin, if you really cannot see how incredibly contrary that edit was to every tenet of style this wiki operates under. Have you ever read one of our Featured articles before? Or any of our in-universe articles, for that matter? Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:42, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, that's why I don't edit here. The rules are stupid, and when I ask for clarifications on how they apply, I get dry wit and rude sarcasm.  I find your lack of civility disturbing. ~ Michael von Preußen (voicemail)
 * Funny, because I find your lack of common-sense comprehension skills just as stupid. All you have to do is read any one of our articles, compare what you wrote to them, and see where you went wrong. You won't find an easier case of judgment on the entire wiki. Any one of our many talented editors would be able to point out your mistakes, but somehow this is a challenge for you and you alone. But that's the beauty of Wookieepedia. Our fine little wiki is really quite effective at rooting out and exposing the less intelligent among us. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:05, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

No, you never called me stupid at all. You just said that I had "lack of common-sense" and that you had "root[ed] out and expos[ed] the less intelligent among us". This isn't about the reversion of the edit; it's about the perpetual rudeness you have displayed and the conflict of interest you created in an attempt to prevent me from filing a complaint about it. I personally am at a total loss to see how I can make over 25,000 edits on other wikis, being an administrator myself on three of them, and never encounter any problems, and yet every time I come here I'm treated like my contributions are utterly worthless. I guess it just goes to show the attitude of the people here. That's the reason I only show up once every few months, by the way: it's because the administration has generally shown itself to be rude, obnoxious, and biased. Even when I specifically ask for help; when I ask, "what am I doing wrong?", I get treated like and called an idiot. So don't worry about me showing up and "causing problems" here. I've given Wookieepedians enough chances to stop acting like dickheads to ever bother editing here again. ~ Michael von Preußen (voicemail)
 * You're absolutely right. I think it has been established beyond a reasonable doubt that you do in fact lack common sense, and yes, Wookieepedia is a wonderful natural intelligence exam, which you have now failed on no less than four occasions. You're perfectly welcome to start an NB forum against someone who has actually committed a personal attack against you. You will not, however, start an NB forum to whine because you, once again, can't play nice with someone over something in which you are the provocateur. And let it be very clear, no one on this wiki gives a damn about anything you do on any other wiki or website on the Internet. We don't care how many wikis you're an administrator on. You are judged solely by your editing contributions here on Wookieepedia. And if you can't fit within our mold, that's your problem. So Wookieepedians are rude and obnoxious to you? Well, son, that's just tough, isn't it? This is the Internet. People are only going to give you the same level of respect that you give them. Besides the fact that you are the cause of your own strife, not anyone else, you better learn to get over it if you have any hopes of functioning in the real world, much less Wookieepedia, because I have my doubts for you. Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:20, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Warning
I know what racist means for one. Second of all, other users were attack me with words. Our wiki is just as important as your's. You're letting them attack me and my wiki. Spongebob Fanon Wiki won't deal with personal attacks from Wookieepedia. I think that my opinion matters as much as anyone's. --Bigman602, The Cool Guy 05:26, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think you realized it but a high population of Wookieepedians has insulted both wikis and came over and Vandalized/Spammed/Harrassed people over there, and if it continues, we will take action. And since alot of Wookieepedians have done it, Wookieepedia will suffer a great punishment if it continues. Bigman602, The Cool Guy 05:35, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Your comments

 * Changed, but I stand by my comments. I also have trouble believing this guy ISN'T just a massive troll.  OLIOSTER  (talk) 10:18, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Block on Lele Mj
I don't understan why I have been blocked. Could you explain, please? I'm kinda new in this wiki...  Lele Mj  ( Holoprojetor ) 13:38, May 16, 2010 (UTC) Well, when I was editing, a message appeared on the top of the page saying that someone had used my ID (I think it was it) in some forum and had been agressive. Than it had something about a block and it sayed that I should talk to Toprawa and Ralltiir if I had any objections. I don't recall everything in it, sorry.  Lele Mj  ( Holoprojetor ) 20:43, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * According to the block log, your account has not been blocked on Wookieepedia. -- 1358  (Talk) 13:47, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, on Wookiepedia. Don't recall the page, but when I started to edit this message appeared. I thin it was this Bigman602 they are talking in the message below.  Lele Mj New_Jedi_Order.svg ( Holoprojetor ) 20:51, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay, sorry if I disturbed you.  Lele Mj New_Jedi_Order.svg ( Holoprojetor ) 21:07, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Bigman602
Who is Bigman602 and why am I blocked because of him? The block message I got says that he used my IP address to harrass other users. Does this mean that he hacked my account?  Gethralkin  Hyperwave 20:48, May 16, 2010 (UTC) That was very mean what you did to Bigman you should appologize. Pоnyo Fan 23:32, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * It might be a weird glitch. I am able to edit again.  Gethralkin  Hyperwave 20:52, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

You still haven't appologized please appoloigze asap 66.160.159.40 15:27, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Pleeeeease!!!!!! 66.160.159.40 18:43, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Annoying admins is childish.&mdash; BobaFett1 Bounties collected Jaster's Feather.svg 19:20, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * So is spamming my talk page. The next person who edits this thread to discuss this episode is going to sit the rest of this day on the sidelines. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:23, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Problem
Why did you ban Bigman can you just please tell me that? Law Giver 16:59, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

RE: TC
Hey, Toprawa. I've made certain everything has been transferred over to SWFans, including the two images, and the history of the article. The article and two images are ready for deletion. I'll be on IRC for a few minutes, if you have any questions. &mdash; Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 20:08, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Spongebob Fanon Wiki
Hey, just thought you should know someone is impersonating you on Spongebob Fanon Wiki. Thanks. Squid the Baptist 21:20, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't understand. Squid the Baptist 21:30, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wo, wo, wo. Hold up.  Don't say it's too complicated for me!  I'm smarter than you think.  That's really insulting.  I just simply don't understand your phrasing.  How is this possible? Squid the Baptist 21:38, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also I'd like to know why you made that video. It's... creepy. Squid the Baptist 21:44, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I think I understand. How did you figure out he's Russian?  Do you have his IP?  Because we could really use that right now. Squid the Baptist 21:45, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * If I make you an administrator, can you help me ban him? Squid the Baptist 21:47, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * We've been in contact with Wikia over this but they haven't been very helpful. Will you help me if I make you an administrator? Squid the Baptist 21:49, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, how can I make you an administrator? Squid the Baptist 21:51, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * But I'm the only one online. How do I make you an administrator? Squid the Baptist 21:53, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. What can I do to become a bureaucrat? Squid the Baptist 21:56, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Would you be able to make me one of those or do I have to ask someone else? Also do I have to have a certain amount of edits before I can become a bureaucrat or can anyone become one? Squid the Baptist 22:00, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you. I'll try and become a bureaucrat immediately.  Thank you again for all of your help and may the sponge be with you. Squid the Baptist 22:03, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, what about your video? Did you upload that or was that that vandal? Squid the Baptist 22:10, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * But this was on YouTube, not Spongebob Fanon Wiki. Squid the Baptist 22:13, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Weird. His voice sounded like it could be you judging from your picture. Squid the Baptist 22:16, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Someone was just on IRC and impersonated you. I tried to get him to reveal who he was but he kept saying it was you.  Also, do you know anything about what Trak said on my talk page? Squid the Baptist 23:16, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Clyngunn

 * Source list and footnotes updated. Indeed, Clyngunn only appears in issues #2 to #4. We could also consider an indirect mention in #1, as there's a point when Karrde talks about his "guest list" that will eventually include Clyngunn. But that is quite a far-fetched mention to Clyngunn, and even more to his species. Hope you're pleased with the edition. Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:15, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Tahv / Mont Saint-Michel
I have a question about the Tahv article. I'm new, but I just don't understand. Perhaps it's not the good place for this, but I will try. Why did the references to the french commune Le Mont-Saint-Michel were removed ? No, honestly and without joke, I truly thought it was obvious. Since the Mont-Saint-Michel is on Wikipedia,it's not hard to verify it. For response, I had a thing like "if the author don't say he took the Mont-Saint-Michel as a model, then it's not the case". So, a comparison bewteen two shots can't be used for something like this ?--Le Passant 19:27, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * If I understand what you're saying, it's not that a comparison can't be made, it's that we typically try not to make out-of-universe, real-world connections/comparisons to things unless they are specifically mentioned by an author or other VIP to be inspired by someone or something. I haven't looked at this specific instance, but I'm guessing the connection you see probably isn't so clear to others, and appears to be your own individual analysis. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:31, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I understand now why. But the fact is that, with a single picture from the Wikipedia page, the thing is obvious. You can even count the towers and windows. It's not a little, vague comparison. But since I can't provide a link (the system does not let me)to a shot of the locality, I think I just have to let people search and see.--Le Passant 20:12, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Clone Galen Marek
Why did u delete the page on Clone Galen Marek? We all know that he is a clone so why not have a page about it. I mean seriously it makes no sence!--Superchubby 20:45, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Answer the question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11--Superchubby 21:23, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

I don't get your decisions regarding TSLRP vs TSLRCM
I'm posting here because your name is under the result-of-the-debate decisions on these trash compactor pages, and I just don't understand them. On the RP page it's "No consensus" but the other was "Overwhelming consensus to remove the article, no consensus to delete or merge, defaulting to redirect/merge". The result of which is that TSLRCM was removed and TSLRP was not. This is completely baffling to me, because both discussions have the same things: lots of "delete" and "merge" votes. On the RP debate, not a single vote was "keep". So where's the lack of consensus to delete? This seriously grates, especially since both discussions happened at the same time, followed the same pattern and are about essentially the same thing (if you discount that RP is vaporware and CRM is a very real and popular mod that people are playing).--Markus Ramikin 09:58, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * The first thing you need to know is how our Consensus policy works for Consensus track and Trash compactor forums such as these. In order to reach consensus for a decision, and I quote, "Consensus track threads with 10-16 voters will need a 3 to 1 ratio of votes for passage; consensus track threads with 17 to 24 voters will need a 5 to 2 ratio of votes for passage; consensus track threads with more than 25 votes can be passed by a 2:1 ratio of votes/opinions posted on the thread." Neither of these two TC threads reached the appropriate support-oppose ratio level for passage. The RP thread was a 7-6 vote, which is clearly a "no consensus" case. The other was a 12-6-1 vote. Because that forum only received 19 total participatory votes, it required a 5:2, or 2.5:1, ratio for passage; it only achieved a 2:1 ratio, however, so there was no consensus to delete. Ultimately, all CT and TC forum closings fall under administrator discretion. The reason I closed the SLRCM forum as I did was to keep uniform with this decision, since in effect everyone voted to "remove" the article in one form or another, so Grunny decided to take the "default" route and just turn it into a redirect, which is what happened with SLRCM. The reason the RP forum was closed simply as "no consensus" is because, if you notice, that forum was closed first. And I didn't remember Grunny's earlier decision until I closed the second forum to follow suit. The inconsistency is really just my own neglect to keep them the same, and I was aware of the difference, but I wasn't sure anyone would notice or even care. So I apologize if it grates with you. The RP forum could just as easily be turned into a redirect the same way, if that's what people want to do. Changing it would not be difficult. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:13, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the comprehensive answer, I appreciate it.
 * And yes, consistency is good ;). There is some concern that the two projects, which are very similar and fall under the same policies (failing in notability), are not having those policies applied to them equally. This creates a (no doubt false, but unfortunate) appearance of favoritism. So if you say it's indeed a legal and valid choice for you to default to merge/redirect, then yeah, for what it's worth I think you should do so. Both in the interest of fairness and actually going with the spirit of the vote. After all, every single vote on the RP's TC debate was some variation of "don't keep it", even if it was split up between different ideas of what to do with it afterwards.
 * Disclaimer: I freely admit may be biased, as I am a great fan of Kotor 2 and its Cut Content and it grates me to see the project that restores it get its page deleted but one that doesn't even seem to exist any more promoted over it.
 * Either way, thanks again for the reply. --Markus Ramikin 20:42, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Procedure CT
Hey, Toprawa. Just letting you know that we've tweaked the wording of the CT on procedure so that a reply is not required. The new wording features this clause removed from option one: "All users who have cast votes prior to the desired change to be included are directly contacted and have expressed either their approval or rejection of said change by commenting under their vote, or the alteration to the vote is rendered invalid." Thanks. &mdash; Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 19:53, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Bias
Hello.

I would not prefer to badger you with more TSLRCM and TSLRP related stuff, but on behalf of a large segment of the KOTOR community we feel that we have been wronged.

Simply put, our problem is not that you have established a notability requirement that despite our best efforts TSLRCM has failed to meet. Our problem is the fact that the TSLRP page has not been removed and more links to it have been added.

Our grievances:

1) When attempting to create the TSLRCM page, we were told to fulfill the notability requirements despite adding a great deal of sources that we felt were notable enough (Kotaku, Eurogamer.net, Ars Technica, etc.). We asked for an explanation as to what we were doing wrong, but all we got was a repetition of the same message in a very hostile tone. Only when the article was nominated for deletion was the explanation given. 2) After we received the explanation, we noted that the TSLRP page had no such fulfillment of the notability requirements. We were told by Imperialles that the page in question would also be deleted. It was and thus we believed that fair treatment would be made. However, after our page was deleted, the TSLRP page was not. Apparently no consensus was made. It is worth noting that the split was between deleting the article and merging the article with the cut content article. There was no votes for keeping the article. In other words, there was a consensus to eliminate the article, but not over adding the references of the article to another article. 3) The individual who nominated the TSLRCM page for deletion is Jedimasterfiolli. If you check his userboxes, you will see that "This user supports Team Gizka." This is bias. 4) The links to the TSLRP website are no longer in existence. To be precise, the site administrator moved everything to her own personal site and claims that she will delete the material soon if the remaining Team Gizka member Dashus does not indicated any desire to preserve the site. 5) Another significant user who was pushing for the deletion of the TSLRCM page was Imperialles. He visited our site and claimed that he regarded both TSLRCM and TSLRP as fan projects and that both should be removed from Wookieepedia. However, his actions speak differently than his words. He voted for the deletion of the TSLRCM page, but also voted to have the TSLRP page merged with the cut content section.

We regard this as bias against TSLRCM by users who are either likely or definitely TSLRP supporters who see these two mods as competing. In our FAQ, we deliberately state that TSLRCM is not an attempt to compete with Team Gizka. Essentially the developers of TSLRCM took the phrase "Go make your own restoration if you are not satisfied with TSLRP's progress" literally and made a legitimate alternative. We created our page on Wookieepedia purely to inform the public that a restoration for TSL exists, is complete, and has active support. A lot of us still want to play TSLRP if it ever comes out since it was the mod that established our community. Essentially our problem is not with Team Gizka or TSLRP, but rather with the users who feel that we are attacking the mod they support and are attempting to defend it from that perceived threat.

It is also important to note that with the Team Gizka websites link dead, the common passerby may think that not only is the mod dead but that no one succeeded in that time in restoring the cut content and that TSL remains a broken game. In our view, this would be a sad fate.

I was told that you were given the final authority over the TSLRCM page's deletion because you were unbiased. If so, I ask you to please address these grievances. All we really ask is that TSLRCM receive fair treatment.

Thank you for your time. Lord of Hunger 00:20, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Wampa
Just wanted to give you a head's up, Tope. I uploaded a new wampa pen image, which shows more of the wampa pen door. Take a look and make sure you approve. Thanks. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 14:36, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I like the new image, but as the BTS stands now, I think the previous image does a better job of illustrating the text of the "Additional scenes" section, since it literally shows the referenced scene in which C-3PO tears off the sign. But that being said, I'm eventually going to go through and expand/spruce up the article's BTS some. So right now, I really don't care which image is used. Once the BTS is cleaned up, we'll see where we are. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:53, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Ravilan
Hey, Toprawa,

You can leave any concerns you have on Obi-wan Jacobi's talk page. Thanks again, —Tommy 9281 22:10, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, just hoping you didn't forget about this guy. Thanks, —Tommy 9281 00:59, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

IRC
Hey, Tope, I'm sorry that I couldn't respond to you or Chack on IRC. I wasn't near my computer. I'm on right now, though. :)  JangFett  (Talk) 02:34, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Assault on Hoth
There doesn't seem to be any indication of who actually wrote the manual. Paul Murphy is credited with design and development, as he seems to get overall credit for the board game. Aside from that, Peter Corless, Steve Gilbert, Bill Slavicsek, and Michael Stern are all listed under "testing and advice." Xicer9 ( Combadge) 04:36, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Looking over the changes you made to the article, I noticed you were still missing info from Firest and Rieekan's exchange at the beginning of the rulebook, which you can take a look at here: . His first name of Ledick is also used here, so the Bts is going to need some tweaking as well. Xicer9 Atgar.svg( Combadge) 05:34, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Gavyn Sykes
Hi there

I saw that you removed the images that were added to http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Gavyn_Sykes&s=wl I respect your action, however wanted to discuss it with you. I think it's a really nice thing that there is this timeline of images from multiple sources, as until today there were no images of Sykes from the Battle for Naboo game on his page. I realize there are quite a few images overall, but maybe you can never have too much of a good thing.

As it looked quite neat all aligned on the left, and didn't add to the length of the page, and there was enough text to go around them all, I hope if you're feeling in a good mood today you're able to agree to revert to the last edit. I won't be silly and undo your changes - you're the boss, but I hope you're able to agree that it doesn't hurt anyone or take up bandwidth, but does add a nice historic element to this little known character.

Let me know what you're able to do, thanks T&R.

Rebellion
Hey Tope,

I feel bad about asking, since you're in the midst of creating a subpage in order to avoid this very thing... but is there any chance of getting info from the Rebellion in-game encyclopedia on Judder Page? Menkooroo 12:21, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're the man! Thanks so much. And no rush at all. Menkooroo 23:54, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated! Thanks a whole bunch. Menkooroo 00:17, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Wookiepedian opposistion
I deleted my message about opposing JangFett. I made one dumb mistake. Are you happy now? --Captain ScoutJaingHead.svg Officers Report. 12:55, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * You still maintain the right to oppose the nomination. Just make sure if you leave an opposition comment that it's made fairly. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:58, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Final Apologoy
It's Marauder 09 yet again (If you even remember me), considering that I really fucked up, I decided to wait an entire year before even trying to apologize this last time. I know my IP address was supposed to be banned, but when I found out I could even visit the edit page, I was probably more surprised than you may be now. And rather than making the smoothest move of editing right after I found the edit page available to me, I decided to not do anything up.

I'm not typing this up for the purpose of whining about being banned or to be screaming "Fuck you" 25 billion times for banning me, and I realize I was given an extra chance to be a good editor, and I realize that I screwed up. I just simply want to apologize for any trouble I may have caused here or to anyone else, I was only trying to help out, and I was never intentionally trying to be the little asshole I may have portrayed myself to be. And to add, anything I did to get myself in trouble, it was a mistake and not intentional.

I'm not expecting you to read this or even respond, but if you do, please pardon the cusses, it's a hard thing for me to control.

97.127.99.204 18:53, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

CT change
Hey there. After some discussion, I have altered the wording of the CT to amend WP:NFP. Please have a look and state if you are alright with the change or not. Thanks. --Imperialles 01:07, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Echo Station 3-8
Hey Tope. I think you asked me to leave this request here, if I recall correctly. Anyway, when you get the chance, I need any info whatsoever on Echo Station 3-8 from the ESB radio adaptation and the ESB NPR dramatization - I'm assuming that any info will be a variation on the two quotes that I currently have in the article. Also, judging by the "What links here" feature, the outpost apparently has entries in the Star Wars Encyclopedia and all three editions of A Guide to the Star Wars Universe, but the info (if there even is any) may be included under a general "Echo Station" entry (I'd imagine this will be the case for the SWE, since that's how it was for the CSWE). Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it, and I owe you. Grand Moff Tranner (Comlink) 23:58, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

The Theft of Vader's Helmet
I thought the in-universe articles have priority, and the OOUs use parenthesis, like in the case of Lady Luck and Lady Luck (comic). I would like to use The Theft of Vader's Helmet, since is not conjectural. What else can you suggest as the name of the mission article?Darth Morrt 10:45, June 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * There wasn't any fanon in the Mission to the Executor (Vader's helmet) article. Maybe some original research, 'cause I don't really get where the little line is between OR and canon. The mission itself is silly, but as canon as any other licenced product. Maybe the mission is infinitries, but it still deserves its own article. The mission should happen somewhere in the middle of the ROTJ, since the scenario uses Admiral Piett, Solo and Vader. I think Solo intercepted the Executor while en route from Coruscant to Endor between two jumps. This is OR, so I didn't added it. When I wrote "presumably" in the article, it was the scenario's assumption, not my, so canon, not OR. I added any single detail from the scenario, because I would have liked to nominate it to GA, if my other similar article, Ambush in Cloud City succeeded. If I pure Mission to the Executor (Vader's helmet) from any possible OR, would you still delete it?Darth Morrt 18:29, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * The little line between OR and canon is actually a very broad line. It basically means don't come to your own originally-concocted conclusions about anything, which is what plagued the last version of this article to a huge degree. An article should only reflect nothing more than what the original source tells you. I have no overriding objections to you creating the article, so I won't necessarily keep deleting it, provided it's done correctly, and it should rightfully be given the "ambiguous canon" template. However, I don't think the article is needed, since there is nothing asserting that this episode/adventure/whatever ever takes place in canon. It's just a "for fun" game mechanics RPG adventure. Regardless, if you do insist on creating this, you need to get a few things straight. For starters, you can't have an image in the infobox like you did, because there is no canonical image to accompany this adventure. Secondly, you can't assert any time span for this adventure, other than sometime after the Battle of Hoth, during Piett's service aboard the Executor. That does not necessarily place the adventure in 4 ABY or in any kind of chronological battle order in line with the events of Return of the Jedi, as you have previously asserted. That means there should be no prelude or aftermath sections. In other words, the article should look almost nothing like your first attempts at creation. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:55, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * I thought that when the scenario suggests a strategy, I could assume the strategy actually happened. So this is OR too, right? After the Battle of Hoth, Solo was freezed. In the Battle of Endor, the Executor was destroyed. The only possible time, when this mission could have happened is after the Skirmish at Carkoon, but before the Battle of Endor. There is some off-screen time, when Solo gets his assignment to lead the team to the Endor bunker as General. I think also this mission should have happened in this off-screen time. Is this OR too? (I would say this was a Renegade Squadron mission, but that's clearly fanon.)Darth Morrt 20:11, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * After the Battle of Hoth, Solo was freezed. In the Battle of Endor, the Executor was destroyed. The only possible time, when this mission could have happened is after the Skirmish at Carkoon, but before the Battle of Endor. Wrong. You're making a generalized assumption, which falls under OR. How do you know this event didn't take place during the chase from Hoth, before Bespin? The timing is ridiculously impossible, but so is this adventure scenario. So who says it can't be squeezed into that span? The point is, this singular source does not provide a specific enough time frame for the event for you to be making any kind of assertion. What you're saying is probable, but it's not definite. At any rate, I'm not going to delve any further into the details of Original research with you. If you plan on creating this article, it should reflect only what this specific source tells you. Nothing more. Don't try to connect it to other disparate sources, because that is also OR. That's all I have to say. Otherwise, I will continue to delete the article. My suggestion for you is to continue to work on this project on a subpage, and I can give you recommendations and advice before moving it to the mainspace. Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:03, June 25, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for clearing OR for me. Here I have the article. Please look at it, if you have time. I've cut it a bit and added the source for every sentence.Darth Morrt 14:12, June 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * If I rephrase the ref-notes, the result would be what is in the article above. I have cut some notes and added the names of the related sections of the scenario. Better? Darth Morrt 18:50, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

May the best Wiki win
There's on Community Central a vote for best Wiki. After thinking about the Wiki's I did made or I'm Bureaucrat, my vote was going to Wookieepedia. I hope this site will win. It's just so awesome to be here, even if I do not very much here (little edits). OK, I don't know much from Star Wars, but every time I come here (mostly everyday to being updated about new articles) I hope it wins.--Station7 18:58, June 28, 2010 (UTC)

EE-3
i dont understand the ee-3 re-edit man- its in the clone wars so it wasn't modeled after the E-11. lucasarts has shown it's canon if george allowed it in the clone wars so shouldnt we treat it as canon?

Please Lock...
Could you please lock my userpage so everyone except me can edit it? I'd rather not have it open to anybody. Thanks so much! --Gmalek ( The ability to edit does not make you intelligent ) 03:02, June 29, 2010 (UTC)

3,983 BBY
Could you unlock this article so I can make it? It's the redlink in Atton Rand's infobox. NaruHina Talk  00:12, June 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Done. Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:18, June 30, 2010 (UTC)

CT change
As per some additional discussion, an addition has been made to the wording of the "Creation of a CAN removal process" section of the comprehensive articles CT. I know this is probably redundant, but I thought I'd better be thorough anyway. ;) Thefourdotelipsis 02:47, July 1, 2010 (UTC)

Forum:SH:OOU Layout Guide warning
Your remarks in this forum are not acceptable for an administrator or any editor of this site. I refer in particular to your comments beginning "It makes me sick on a basic human level that people actually listen to what Hydro says. I can't believe I'm dignifying his idiocy myself by even responding to him..." Your comments constitute a personal attack under Blocking policy, as well as No personal attacks and are a completely unprofessional way to conduct yourself on this site. Consider this a formal block warning before I ban you for a cool-off period, as per our Block policy. This kind of behaviour is damaging to the integrity of the Wookieepedia administrators as a body. --Eyrezer 02:39, July 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Eyrezer, if I were you I'd consider the consistency of "enforcement" where this is concerned. Blocking Toprawa when ignoring just the same types of remarks made on numerous forums and talk pages, directly and indirectly, by other users in the past, heck, even by the object of his comment, would be fairly reprehensible, in my opinion. The administration has no integrity to damage if enforcement by certain among its members has absolutely no consistency. I'd highly suggest taking the lead of users like SavageBob in delivering messages meant to cool down a situation such as this as opposed to very obviously trying to provoke people. Blocking is meant for people who are trolls or general nuisances; actual attempts at dispute resolution are what situations like this, between actually productive users, call for. Graestan ( Talk ) 02:02, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Rebellion info?
Hey Tope; I saw that you've done some work on the planets from Star Wars: Rebellion (video game), and wondered if you had the strategy guide at all or know who does? I need to confirm something from it for Huoba Neva. Thanks in advance, - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 08:36, July 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Excellente! Basically, the original article mentioned that Huoba Neva is referred to as a male in the guide, rather than a female. Can you confirm or deny this? Also, is there any other information about Neva that doesn't appear in-game? - Cavalier One FarStar Logo.jpg( Squadron channel ) 07:16, July 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * Great stuff. I've got the IU entry&mdash;I've actually got the game, just not the guide&mdash;so that's all I need for now. Thanks! - Cavalier One FarStar Logo.jpg( Squadron channel ) 08:21, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Deletion
I was wondering why you deleted my article. I saw the Robot Chicken Star Wars and the Family Guy Star Wars on here and thought it would be okay to put the aqua teen one. I am new to this site and I'm learning the rules, but I am curious as to why robot chicken and family guy is okay but this one is not. Don't interpret this as me being enraged, I'm not. I am just curious as to why and is it possible and how I can include this article.MasterJedi15 21:11, July 16, 2010 (UTC)MasterJedi15
 * I didn't finish it if the reason is that it was that it was too short and seemed pointless as a result.MasterJedi15 22:07, July 16, 2010 (UTC)MasterJedi15
 * Firstly, I'm not interested in whether or not the article meets Wookieepedia's notability guidelines for fan projects. Your article was deleted because it failed to meet the site's basic requirements for article creation, which you can find here and here. Our wiki holds certain standards for article creation. It's not good enough to create a third or half of an article and leave it to sit in the mainspace in the condition you left this article. If you find you can't finish the creation of an article in one sitting, I would recommend creating a user subpage for yourself, where you can work on the article at your leisure without the pressure to make it perfect. Then when you're ready, you can transfer it over to the mainspace. And regarding some of the comments you impatiently left for Chack Jadson regarding my treatment of your original message, you were not being ignored. Believe it not, I'm a semi-busy man. Sometimes I have other, more pressing concerns to deal with before I take the time to answer your questions. Administrators are not here to serve you at your every beck and call. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:22, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I apologize for being impatient. That's on me. I guess I was a little upset but that was no reason for me to do what I did. I'm sorry. I just registered on this site and I'm a little bit excited to be part of it. Thank you for explaining why you deleted it. I will take your advice and try to write articles with a little more care in the future should I have more to write. Thank you for the links and again I am sorry.MasterJedi15 22:30, July 16, 2010 (UTC)MasterJedi15
 * Thank you. If you have further questions, feel free to ask. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:32, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think I did it right this time except for one part, the info box is troubling me. However I would like your opinion before I put it up. Where can I place it so you can see it?MasterJedi15 00:16, July 17, 2010 (UTC)Master Jedi15
 * Like I said, your best bet is creating a subpage workspace for yourself. Toprawa and Ralltiir 02:31, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Valorum
Oh its not a problem, it was an easy fix. Thanks for the GA review, by the way. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 23:38, July 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. Cool subject. Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:39, July 16, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry
I just seen the message and I am sorry. But do I have right to delete what I wrote? If not why not? I had a tantrum then and I am embarrassed by it. Thank you Kajalamorth 21:30, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you? Kajalamorth 21:33, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is it not a lost cause? Why keep it whilest it will soon reach ten opposed votes. And what then? I am sad and scared. I need help to fix this wiki. I don't want to work on wiki that will probably die. I need help but I don't know how to get anymore. I managed to insult people and I do not know how to apologize. I am scarring the wiki's reputation and its not even a wiki yet. All I need is advice. But how could I come by it? Could you put the verdict in soon? Please I know it will be unsuccessful. In my inner gut. I looked at the archives the unsuccessful ones had no for votes they were completely opposed. :O Kajalamorth 21:40, July 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes please, thank you sir. Kajalamorth 21:45, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Anyone who can help?
Do you know anyone on this wiki who would be willing to help on the wiki I am working on?(The force unleashed)

Ohhhh Oops I am really tired... :O I think I should get off the computer after this and rest. Kajalamorth 22:10, July 17, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Marvel request
I noticed your Marvel request on Culator's talk page, and as I happened to have it ready to go, I went ahead and uploaded it for you. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 14:54, July 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks for your help. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:53, July 19, 2010 (UTC)

RASB 1st ED
No problems. I'll check it out for you and let you know as soon possible. - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 08:44, July 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Tope; Isis is indeed mentioned in the same section in the 1st Edition as it is in the 2nd. Looking at the two, they appear to be word for word in both books. - Cavalier One FarStar Logo.jpg( Squadron channel ) 14:29, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Chee: The role-playing game
; Darth Morrt found it before I did and posted it on the FAN page. SavageBob, a user I trust, used this as the basis of one of his objections to my FAN on the Yinchorri. I really think we should analyze the implications of this&hellip;after summer.--Skippy Farlstendoiro 14:18, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

RE: AC meeting
Hey, Tope,

Thanks for the reminder. I'll hit the page up shortly. I have a question for you now: do you have Who's Who in Echo Base? If yes, can you tell me what is said about Freedon Nadd please? Thanks either way, —Tommy 9281 22:31, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

in -use tag
I have been working on the article, Computer and two people have still edited it. I once saw that you got all over someone doing this. It says it is requested to not do any minor, but says nothing about major or says don't edit. So are they in the wrong?  Darth Rage Leave a message after the beep 01:37, July 27, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Squawk GAN
Thanks for the reminder. I'd completely forgotten about that! - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 07:43, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Favor
Hey, Toprawa,

Can you do me a favor please? I was unaware of the existence of REBJ, and so created Rapid Entry By Jedi. A CSD template was slapped on the latter to make way for a proper move, but the individual who did so is not an admin, and so the template is just sitting there. I know that it would get done sooner or later, but I'm asking now because I nominated the article for GAN. Thanks, —Tommy 9281 17:32, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Baron Merillion Tarko
Here you go for the image fix it more in the wookieepedia style since that is what you are going to do anyway
 * I have no idea what you're saying. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:11, July 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * You do know you are responsibole for removing the image! I don't get you boss wookieepedias you claim to always want to have a image of the caracther but when you got it you quicly deleat it
 * It was a glorious summer in Oxford when I met Freddie Cavendish, a most remarkable young man whose friendship would change my life forever. You are the anchor that gives my spirit license to soar. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:55, July 28, 2010 (UTC)

Reason for deletion Star Wars Combine
I was following links to get info about Star Wars Combine. Info about the game was supposed to be here and I did find a page where the info I believe was to be found. I really can't make out what the error code was. I just like to know if it was deleted because that info was not supposed to be here or was there another reason. If you need info I have it and can write the page with what I have making it a good 90% complete (more then enough for a stub so that it can be expanded on. But if it does not belong here I will not waste my time 'improving' things.

Have a great day

Thank you
Hello. Thank you for moving the page jedisniper's subpage to the correct format. I didnt really know what i was doing and i wanted to delete it right away but i didnt know how. All i want to say is thank you. Jedisniper130 03:42, August 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. If you don't know how to do something, you can ask an administrator on their talk page or start a Senate Hall forum question and someone will show you how. Toprawa and Ralltiir 03:44, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

TEA maps
Hey Tope, here is the Hoth and the Greater Javin map you requested. As for the Mon Cal space map, I'm not sure what I have will be much improvement. The color and contrast on mine as definitely better, but as far as the text, the one that Riff uploaded seems to be sharper. I've emailed that one to you so you can look it over and compare the two before I overwrite the current one. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 14:56, August 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks for your help. I took a look at the Mon Cal map you sent me, and I see what you mean by your version doesn't have as sharp lettering. I guess I'll leave that up to you. For my purposes, the original is probably better. But it doesn't really matter to me. Thanks again. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:32, August 9, 2010 (UTC)

Ambush in Cloud City
Could you look at the Good article nominations/Ambush in Cloud City? I think it's done. Darth Morrt 10:39, August 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry for bothering you with this, but have you any further problem with this article? I think I addressed your objections long ago. Darth Morrt 20:39, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

Chiffonage again
I found this while looking through Star Wars: The Official Starships & Vehicles Collection 10, you may find it interesting: "The tactics for using the snowspeeders in combat had already been worked out by Commander Luke Skywalker, and tacticians Beryl Chiffonage and Risiev Credal. Called the Rogue Doctrine, it had been pieced together from the experiences of all the Rogue Squadron pilots over the years, including operations on Corellia and Balmorra where improvisation had led to the use of tow cables to trip advancing AT-ATs, a technique reserved as a last resort as it left the attacking speeder in a very predictable and vulnerable flight path." Xicer9 ( Combadge) 20:43, August 12, 2010 (UTC)

Page, again
Hey Tope,

Sorry to ask you for one more favour --- I really should have thought of this when I asked you for info from the Rebellion game. But I read on someone's talk page that you have the Rebellion strategy guide, and that it has character entries as well. Is there any chance that you could tell me whether or not Lt. Page's entry in the strategy guide is any different than his entry in the game (which is here, for easy reference). If not, no worries, and if so, thank you so much. Cheers! Menkooroo 01:57, August 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks so much! You are wonderful. Menkooroo 00:30, August 17, 2010 (UTC)

User Avatar
How do you select a User Avatar other tahn the ones already supplied? I have just made this account and do not know.CC4554 20:29, August 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have no idea. I don't use Monaco. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:30, August 18, 2010 (UTC)

locking 2,000,000,000 BBY
please lock this article some idiot keeps typing in nonsense

Bright Hope FF stuff
Tope; checked the FFs last night, and the pages for Zuckuss and the Rebel Transport namecheck the Bright Hope and briefly recount the events surrounding it. 4-LOM's entry, on the other hand, calls the ship the Bright Star, and implies that 4-LOM and Zuckuss destroyed the ship but then had a change of heart and rescued the survivors who went down to Hoth in the escape pods. Very strange :P - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 10:19, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay - transcription time.
 * "However, as they entered the Hoth system, they intercepted the Bright Star - the last ship to leave the ice planet - and, hoping to repair their relationship with the Empire, helped to destroy it. Some of the Rebels managed to escape the ship, but were stranded on Hoth. The bounty hunters schemed to capture them, but Zuckuss was so impressed by the Rebels that he and 4-LOM ended up helping them instead. They took the survivors to Darlyn Boda, where 4-LOM discovered that the sapphire had never been sold."
 * Hope that helps :p - Cavalier One FarStar Logo.jpg( Squadron channel ) 20:58, August 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * It does, thanks for your help. :) Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:04, August 20, 2010 (UTC)

Formerly colinmcev
Hey Top. You might not remember me, but I previously edited here under the name "colinmcev". I did a couple of FAs and GAs, and you were always very helpful to me back in those days, but I haven't been active for some time. I was thinking of getting back into a bit of editing, but I had a question for you and was wondering if you could email me at hunterkhn(at)gmail(dot)com so I could reply to you there and ask. Thanks! -- Hunter Kahn 15:22, August 21, 2010 (UTC)

Featured/good topics?
Hey Top. So, after my brief history of editing at the Wook a few years ago, I started editing at Wikipedia as well. There, like here, I was involved heavily with GAs and FAs. But one thing Wikipedia has that the Wook does not (to my knowledge) are featured topics and good topics. Basically, they are a collection of inter-related articles that are of GA and/or FA quality. There is a specific set of criteria, but for the most part, it's pretty simple. FTs are a set of articles with at least half that are FAs and the rest at least GAs; and GTs are a set of articles that are all at least GAs. Before a topic is promoted to FT or GT, votes have to be held, and a consensus has to a) determine that the topic is a valid one and b) make sure all the articles meet the standards.
 * Like GAs and FAs, I think GTs and FTs are a great distinction that encourage contributors to do superior work. I think it would be a natural for the Wook to adopt as a policy, as there are many things could qualify for GTs and FTs here. (A few examples that spring to mind, for example, are "Max Rebo Band", which could include the band article itself and all the musicians. Or "X-wing (novels)", which could include that article and the individual articles for all the specific novels.

However, I have absolutely no idea how to go about proposing a specific Wookieepedia policy. lol. I thought maybe you could point me in the right direction for how to go about such a proposal. I also hoped you could give me your input on whether you felt it was a good idea or not. Let me know (and sorry for the lengthy message!) -- Hunter Kahn 20:53, August 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * What you're talking about sounds a bit like what we do already with WookieeProjects, though obviously you're looking for something much more formally recognized. The best way for you to propose the idea would be to start a discussion thread in the Senate Hall and lay out your ideas, where other people can then weigh in with their opinions. If it sounds like people generally agree with the plan, you can then start a Consensus track forum, where the idea will be formally voted on by the community and, if successful, implemented as policy. Toprawa and Ralltiir 02:31, August 30, 2010 (UTC)

HK-47 protection
Whew thanks a lot for getting on that immediately! I was afraid I was going to have to fight mobs of speculators scrambling to edit him. Thanks again, it took a year getting him to FA and I hate seeing quality ruined by mass guessing. JethLordMaster  (Xia Order) 04:09, September 5, 2010 (UTC)

Not necessary?
I suppose the cargo lifters in Oakland aren't strictly necessary. That said, having grown up here in the Bay Area and met George Lucas a number of times, I can't cross the Bay Bridge without seeing Star Wars. I've always thought knowing what the inspiration looked like was a nice touch. --Aeo 18:00, September 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * We typically don't include real-world images in IU articles, even in the BTS. Any instances you may find on the wiki to the contrary are the exception rather than the rule. Personally, I find it's a bad trend to get into. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:04, September 7, 2010 (UTC)

Why did u do that?
Why is my topic gone how do u just go and delete my topic I was trying to stop the bad plp who made that blog I was trying to help wiki by getting rid of bad blogs why did u just delete my topic for?Instead u shouild delete the entire blog Im trying to help but your stoping me!

Stop deleting my blogs Im trying to help but why do you persit to ruin this!WILL YOU PLZ STOP!

NOW stop im trying make this place kid-freindly but STOP RUINING IT!

You locked me from editing that page why?74.103.8.60 17:53, September 11, 2010 (UTC)Darth Ioen

Ardan's infobox
Shouldn't the infobox image, which is manipulated by Decipher, be changed to a cut from the other image, which is higher resolution? Decipher's pic is incorrect and C-canon, while the other would be higher res and G-canon. Darth Morrt 17:04, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you feel like grabbing a higher res cut from the film, be my guest. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:26, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've changed the main image. It is smaller, but I think it's better. Feel free to revert my edit, if you disagree. Darth Morrt 22:14, September 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have uploaded a higher res version of Ardan's infobox picture and a headshot crop of the same image. I don't have a scanner. This is a photo of the card. Opinion? Darth Morrt 10:18, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Gold/Red Wing requests
I'm fairly confident that the entries for Gold Wing and Red Wing in the three Guides and the Star Wars Encyclopedia will contain very little, but I'm curious to see if either pilot's gender is revealed in any of the entries. Thanks again. Grand Moff Tranner (Comlink) 19:48, September 16, 2010 (UTC)

Toprawa i need to ask you something
Hi, i'd like to enter The Star Wars Wiki Chatpage, so can i be let in? i' trying to get in, but i can't for some reason! please can i come in? thank you?--24.7.204.40 01:23, September 17, 2010 (UTC)

Re: GAN
Yeah, I've already been reminded of this by Xd. I'm sorry I keep forgetting doing that. I'll try not to in the future. QuiGonJinn (Talk) 19:18, September 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Completely per Qui-Gon. Thanks.  Clone Commander Lee  Talk 17:36, September 20, 2010 (UTC)

Bodo Baas's Master
Hi! In your opinion, is it fine to assume, that Bodo Baas's Master was a Jedi? This individual is not directly mentioned as Jedi, just as Bodo Baas's "own Master" in JvS:TEGTTF and in Dark Empire 6. There is no other mention of this being. SoresuMakashi suggested not to assume it, and to ask the opinion of AC members. Jonjedigrandmaster said that its fine to say that the being is a Jedi, but I should get more opinions. Your thoughts? Darth Morrt 14:12, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Your discussion forum
My apologizes and thanks for the information.--TheUltimate3 21:41, September 30, 2010 (UTC)

Images
Hey Tope. I wasn't able to get a better version of the first image you asked for, and cleaning up such a complicated image would have been very difficult. I suspect that we both have the same source. I did grab an image for Darlyn Boda. I had to include Ertegas, or otherwise the proportions would have been very bad. However, if you like, I could probably clone out the Ertegas text. I wasn't sure if that is what you were looking for. Let me know if you want me to do that. Cylka  -talk- 06:24, October 4, 2010 (UTC)

RPG issue
Hi Tope, I have just learned of an issue that may be of some interest to you. While researching the origins of The Betrayal of Darth Revan, I have learned that there are a number of other RPG adventures that have been released by Wizards of the Coast at Gen Con conventions over the years, which don't currently have articles on Wookieepedia and which have never been officially distributed after the events, like TBODR was. One of them is titled Murder on the Executor and is apparantly set aboard the Executor during the time of ESB, and the player characters have to investigate a murder aboard the ship. Essentially, the events of the scenario are canonical, but the scenario itself is unobtainable. I feel that it deserves some form of mention in the Executor article, but I'm not quite sure how that should be handled. --Jinzler 17:21, October 6, 2010 (UTC)