Wookieepedia:Votes for deletion/Quote:Karen Traviss/Renomination

Quote:Karen Traviss
Followed both of StarNeptune's advices by closing the vote as no consensus and restarting it. (previous VFD nomination) - Sikon [ Talk ] 13:57, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Delete
Summary: This page should be deleted because it's not worth the trouble it has caused or because you think we should not have quote pages at all or because of some other reason.


 * 1) Delete. I think I'd prefer to see it just go away altogether.  Some good arguments were made for this in the first vote.  But if not, I'd vote "Keep and restrict."  WhiteBoy 07:34, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Delete. Causes way more trouble than it's worth. It's STILL the only quote page that exists for an author, which I think really says something. --Azizlight 14:05, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Delete. I think the page is not interesting, and has not very much to do with Star wars, since it's the quotes of just an author who, well, wrote a Star Wars Novel, ok, but... it seemed like a Q&A with her... All quotes or answers of her can be explained in related articles. TO mention the first quote, the question can be answered in an article about the subject he asked something...So just delete it. --Galak Fyarr 16:25 (BELGIAN time), 10 August 2006
 * 4) SFH 14:38, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) Cutch 14:55, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Keep and expand

 * 1) Sikon [ Talk ] 13:57, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:19, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Kuralyov 02:03, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Vermilion 02:41, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) TopAce 14:39, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) --Jerry 02:06, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 7) Bodknocks 04:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 8) VT-16 14:01, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 9) Darth Culator  (Talk) 14:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 10) SithRebel1206 14:18, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 11) Tam 14:21, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Keep but restrict
A vote for this option (as I understand it) does not mean that no further quotes can or should be added. It does mean that any quotes must be fully referenced and meant for public consumption (i.e. from public blog posts or message board posts, interviews with the media, statements printed in books or articles, or statements from public speeches at conventions (though that last would be harder to source or quote accurately.)) They must also be given in sufficient context, so the quote we list would be understood the same way as it would when reading the full original context. Finally, her quotes must be about either Star Wars, her process when writing fiction, or something similar. Anything that's solely related to her opinion of particular fans or groups of fans, her opinion of other writers, her politics, or any fan feuds she may figure in should be left out. (The same would go for other real-world Wookieequote pages.) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 14:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC)


 * 1) As long as it's watched in order to ensure it's entirely quotes which are properly referenced, given in sufficient context, and related to her work on Star Wars, this should be OK. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 19:59, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Only sourced, verifiable quotes. Well-defined criteria on what's relevant. Maybe a process for deciding on quotes. -LtNOWIS 01:18, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) KEJ 10:00, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:00, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) As long as they are sourced and in context, go for it.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 14:14, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) Commander Darc 03:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * 7) Sulgran 20:52, 9 August 2006 (UTC) -I agree what Silly Dan said
 * 8) Jedi Dude 14:32, 10 August 2006 (UTC) - if they remain neutral and un-biased and within a context that is useful then fine.
 * 9) Skippy Farlstendoiro 14:47, 10 August 2006 (UTC) - Ditto

Comments
Before we get a big backlog of people voting keep for differing reasons, does anyone else agree that the keep votes should be divided into "keep and expand" and "keep but restrict", to reflect the divisions which we saw in the first vote? &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 15:44, 25 July 2006 (UTC) I have a feeling the sitenotice is going to cause more problems than it solves.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 15:02, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Done. - Sikon [ Talk ] 16:13, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * "It's STILL the only quote page that exists for an author". Nay. Quote:Timothy Zahn exists, too.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 14:12, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That was my fault: I just wanted to point out that a quote page for an author isn't inherently a vehicle for disgruntled fans to make him or her look bad. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 14:33, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * A sitenotice? Wow. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 14:08, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Is a sitenotice really necessary? Mightn't it just make the issue look bigger than it is and further polarize the community? &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 14:21, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm more worried about how the sitenotice always kriffs up the template. --  Darth Culator  (Talk) 14:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe about a little clarification on exactly what "Keep and expand" and "Keep but restrict" means for those who were not involved in the previous vote and don't know the history. My perception: the "expanders" are of the mindset that anything the author says is valid content for the page, regardless of its relevance.  See a previous version of the page as an example of how this would be. The "restricters" are of the mindset that there should be discretion in choosing which quotes are used on the page.  See the current version of the page as an example of how this would be.  I think that someone besides me should write these summaries and put them right under the section heading so people are clear what they are voting for.   I will go ahead and write the summary for the Delete section. WhiteBoy 14:29, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * a site notice, well at least something will finally be done about this mess. Jedi Dude 14:49, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * So it's currently "Keep and expand": 10, "Keep but restrict": 9, and "Delete": 5. How on Earth will this end for good? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:58, 10 August 2006 (UTC)