Talk:Boba Fett/Legends

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Age
Where did the half come from? I thought he was just born in 32 bby, not 31.5? --Darthsith19 23:07, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * He was "born" in between 32 BBY and 31 BBY. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:08, 12 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not stupid. I know 31.5 means between 31 and 32. What I wanted to know is where that information came from.--Darthsith19 23:40, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Leland Chee. It's fairly commonsense though - after all, there has to be several months for Dooku to defect, Jango to win the bounty comp, and the cloning to begin before Boba can be born. QuentinGeorge 23:47, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Fett's battle harness
I ran across this posted here and I'm guessing it is based off of the Deluxe action figure.

I don't have the issue at hand but how should we go about incorporating this into the article. Does the SW Insider artwork make this canon? With just the action figure I would say "no" but the artwork backs it up.

Does anyone have this issue so we can get some more information on this? --DannyBoy7783 06:39, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * It's more than just artwork; that harness, the Wing blast rocket pack, was described in the History of the Mandalorians article. jSarek 06:59, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Awesome! Is there any information on it in the article? I used to have that issue but I can't seem to find it. I'd be happy to do an article up for it and include it in Fett's page as well.--DannyBoy7783 07:06, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Does anyone have info on this from the Star Wars Insider?--DannyBoy7783 04:19, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Move gear section
I propose we move the gear section of this article to Boba Fett's armor. --Imp 15:19, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * A move wouldn't be out of the question though not all of this stuff is his armor so that link wouldn't fit. Unless there is an established precedent of doing so. I know Vader has an armor page but that's pretty much just about his armor. Fett's stuff here includes weapons, non weapon gear items, clothing and his armor.--DannyBoy7783 20:53, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Though I'm also fine leaving it all in Fett's article.--DannyBoy7783 20:58, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, we can move that to "Boba Fett's armor", and shorten it down here. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:00, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not really in favor of that idea.--DannyBoy7783 21:27, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Why? There will still be information left, as well as a note to see "Boba Fett's armor" as well. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:29, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Boba Fett's equipment is a large part of who he is so it should stay on his page. There's no real need to move it so why do it?--DannyBoy7783 21:31, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not going to be moved. It's going to be shortened here, while another article will be made. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:18, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, is that so? Thanks Jack for telling me how it is going to be. Please see the first comment in this section. It is proposed that it (the gear section) be moved. I'm saying I don't think it is necessary. Tell me why you think it is please.--DannyBoy7783 22:44, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess I misunderstood Imperialles's suggestion. I think that a separate page should be made, but still have some information on all of it here. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:09, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm still in favor of leaving it as is. Why change it?--DannyBoy7783 01:45, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with Jack. (Mind you, I also suggested splitting Palpatine's extended bio to another article, and everyone thought it was a terrible idea.)  &mdash; Silly Dan  02:11, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it is something to consider for the future but I don't see it as necessary at the moment. It's a filled out section but it isn't huge. I plan to add the battle harness thing mentioned in the section above but other than that I feel the section has been fairly exhausted as far as content goes. If there was a large influx of new material I think it would be warranted.--DannyBoy7783 02:22, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Nonetheless, a page should be created for Fett's armor, even if this information here remains. Admiral J. Nebulax 15:50, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, give it a go if you wish and we can review it all after it is done.--DannyBoy7783 18:05, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * We'll also add a notice to see the page in the section on the gear. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:23, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * How about Boba Fett's equipment for a title? --Imp 02:17, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Legacy....
Holy fish on a stick! I've just heard that Boba will be back for Legacy of the Force! If that's supposed to take place after the swarm war, and if all the original characters are about 60 in that, then Boba must be in his late 70's-early 80's! How do they expect him to be a credible threat now?
 * He'll be 72 years old. He's only 3 years older than Han. -LtNOWIS 02:21, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I wonder what the average life-expectancy is for Humans in Star Wars. Admiral J. Nebulax 02:32, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * In terms of non-force sensitive, Pellaeon was born 57 BBY, making him 97 by the time of the Legacy series. QuentinGeorge 02:33, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I remember reading somewhere that the average life-expectancy is 150 or so... But it could be SuperShadow nonsense. Admiral J. Nebulax 02:36, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Most likely. The actual life expectancy for humans in the SW galaxy is similar to earth. (ie, somewhere between 80-100). This is from the Revised Core Rulebook. Force-sensitives can live a bit longer. QuentinGeorge 02:44, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * He's Boba Fett, I'd never underestimate him as a force to be reckoned with. He'll be a credible threat a decade after he's six feet under.--DannyBoy7783 02:39, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, it'd be funny to see him walking around with a walker. ;) Admiral J. Nebulax 02:42, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * He'd have that walker laced with explosives and rockets and blasters and let's be honest, probably a flame thrower and a jetpack to boot.--DannyBoy7783 02:55, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, 150 is perfectly reasonable in the GFFA. Just take Orn Belden, and then there is Duke Teta. And WotC has been wrong before. In UAA, they said the Yuuzhan Vong were venerable at their eighties, yet Malik Carr said they lived three times that length. -- SFH 03:25, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * "Perfectly reasonable" - No. It's specifically explained (in those character's articles, no less), that their lifespans are exceptional. Look at the age at which Mon Mothma died. QuentinGeorge 03:27, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 *  Due to countless medical treatments, and organ transplants, he was 300 years old - Doesn't sound like a "natural" lifespan now, does it? Neither does By the time of the Imperial occupation of Bakura, he had become Senior Senator, despite the fact that he had two prosthetic hearts and now required a voice amplifier to speak. QuentinGeorge 03:28, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe perfectly reasonable was not the best choice of words. But it is possible...And Fett isn't above asking for medical help. -- SFH 03:33, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh no doubt. Fett's already got a cloned leg, anyway. Anyway, I agree, with prosthetic replacements humans can live a long time in the GFFA - but I suspect that would be the same here, if we had the technology. All I was arguing was that the "natural" lifespan of humans in GFFA is the same as here - around a century, give or take two decades. QuentinGeorge 03:39, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Leia says in Joiner King that Han, who's 57 at that point, has a good forty years of active life left, meaning that humans don't become cripplingly old until around 100. Total avg lifespan, then, would probably be 115-ish. CooperTFN 04:16, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I remember reading somewhere that the average Human could live to be around 120 or so... So, it's probably the same in the Star Wars Galaxy. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:42, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * "Back in November when we had a big story conference putting this series together, we did have a catchphrase that should define how you should be thinking about these aging characters: 60 is the new 40," said Allston. "They're remaining hale and healthy, and active up until much later ages, as our culture is with increasing and improving medical technology. So don't think of them as septuagenarian doddering, weak people. They're active fighting 60 and 70-year olds and looking good." -http://www.starwars.com/community/event/celebration/f20050419/indexp25.html--Xilentshadow900 14:02, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * That basically proves that the average life-expectancy is around anywhere from 120 to 150 or even higher. Admiral J. Nebulax 14:49, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * New quotes from Jan Duursema on the Legacy comics are indicating LF policy is that human lifespan is near-normal in the GFFA. Yrfeloran 06:37, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Quotes

 * Anyone got good quotes for the first two sections of the bio? One about a) His childhood and B) His early career is what we're after. QuentinGeorge 02:53, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)

New external link
How is that new external link relevant? It just seems like someone's random blog. The information isn't very important or noteworthy. I say we remove it. I'm not trying to be a party pooper or anything it just seems kind of pointless. Thoughts?--DannyBoy7783 21:51, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm going to delete this new link tomorrow if I don't hear anything in its defense.--DannyBoy7783 01:57, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Apparently its already been done. Thanks.--DannyBoy7783 18:50, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Canon Fett without his helmet
I don't know if anyone here collects the Star Wars action figures but a new series coming out of metal figures will debut with Vader and Fett. They feature removable helmets and you can check them out here. These are just prototypes at the moment but when they are finally released would this constitute a canon representation of Boba Fett with his helmet off (as opposed to his appearance in Empire: Infinities)?--DannyBoy7783 03:09, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I've never been sure about the canon status of toys, but considering the Utapau shadow trooper made it to What's the story?, I'd say that'd be canon enough. Although, wasn't Fett also unmasked in a recent issue of Tales? -LtNOWIS 13:16, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Battlefront 2
Bly1993 added: "He destroyed the cloning centers and became the scourge of the Kaminoans" Where is the proof of this statement? I have the game but that's speculation I think.--DannyBoy7783 20:29, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * They probably felt betrated since one of their own creations had brought the Empire back down on them. -- SFH 20:41, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * It never says that though so wouldn't that just be fan speculation? I'm all for spicing up the writing when it is needed but I think that line should go.--DannyBoy7783 20:45, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The "and became the scourge of the Kaminoans" should be removed if it hasn't been yet. Admiral J. Nebulax 13:17, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Jaden Korr
It says that Fett encountered Korr(who was a jedi)in 10 ABY, but Skywalker established his Academy in 11 ABY, I don't know the exact date when Fett encountered Korr, but we gotta fix this mistake!
 * Maybe it isn't a mistake. Admiral J. Nebulax 15:08, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, it's not a big mistake. We can just change it to 11 ABY. Admiral J. Nebulax 15:10, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The Jaden Korr article states that the events of Jedi Knight: jedi academy happened 10 after the battle of endor. That's my mistake, I read 10 ABY. I'll adjust the article to say 14 ABY (Battle of Endor was 4 ABY).--DannyBoy7783 22:53, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Everything should say "... after the Battle of Yavin" instead of "... Endor" to avoid year confusion. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:16, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Good point. I went ahead and fixed the Jaden Korr article.--DannyBoy7783 03:35, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

What now?
It seems that there hasn't been much new content on Boba's page the past few weeks. I can't think of anything more to add at the moment. Can anyone come up with some ideas or suggestions? This is my favorite page so I'd love to do some more work on it. I Image the new Star Wars Insider issue may throw a few nuggets our way though.--DannyBoy7783 03:35, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, I'm sure something is coming. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:45, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Bloodlines, anyone? - Kwenn 22:54, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, and Boba Fett: Overkill which I forgot about. Come sout March 15th.--DannyBoy7783 23:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I say that Boba Fett media should be kept at a minimum. It keeps his image of being mysterious, which people (and I) love him for.--Xilentshadow900 23:58, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, we need to know more about him, in my opinion. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:17, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * As long as the writers for the character stay true to him I don't think more content is a problem.--DannyBoy7783 03:49, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:58, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Featured?!
I'm sorry but this page is not FA material. At least not in wikipedia standards. --UVnet 01:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * How so? Admiral J. Nebulax 01:50, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It's changed significantly since it was featured, for what it's worth. QuentinGeorge 01:54, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:55, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * This article has had substantial additions since it was featured, his weapons/equipment section in particular. In fact, it should be RE-featured because of all the additions. Pretty much everything available on Fett has been included as far as I can tell. UVnet, can you please explain why you think this article doesn't deserve "Featured Article" status?--DannyBoy7783 04:22, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps QuentinGeorge can tell us how it's changed as well. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:44, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Everyone can see for themselves. October 30th, 2005 (the day it was featured) and currently. As well as a comparison of the changes.--DannyBoy7783 17:39, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It does look much better now than before. Admiral J. Nebulax 19:44, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Not only that but there is a fair amount of new text as well.--DannyBoy7783 22:01, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:02, 19 February 2006 (UTC)


 * First of all the intro section is way too short. Second the entire behind the scenes section is poorly written. I mean, from a simple read a person who is not that familiar with his character can't get the idea that this character was at one time close to the most popular character in the star wars universe despite having such short screen time and almost no lines. Also there is nothing about the fact that most people (even some star wars fans) had no idea that he survived the sarlacc pit, and that his revival is somewhat controversial (I've heard in several places that one of the greatest aspects of his character is his death). Also almost no information about the whole Jaster Mereel thing, expect for:

he was once a Journeyman Protector called Jaster Mereel, an alias he took to honor his father's mentor.

which appears in the Behind the scenes section (?!) and has no mention that before AOTC it was believed this was his name.

It feels like any article that passes the 35KB mark receives an FA status here. An enormous amount of information is not enough for FA status. I mean, quality of writing and article structure are at the same (if not more) importance. Try to think in wikipedia standards here people. --UVnet 10:15, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The intro section is fine. Other articles that have been featured had it short. And maybe the Behind the Scenes article is poorly written now. As for the fans who didn't know he survived, that's why there's a section on it in the article. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:24, 19 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd like to point out a few things.
 * 1) We are not Wikipedia. We are our own community and have our own way of doing things.
 * 2) At the time this article was featured, we had no strict guidelines as to what made a featured article. We have since then developed criteria that potential FAs must meet to be featured, including the length of the intro and the writing style.
 * 3) For those who were disussing earlier about the renomination of this or any other previous FA, go here for a community vote. StarNeptune 19:21, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well said. Admiral J. Nebulax 19:53, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

YJK "Appearance"
Jack removed the following appearance:


 * Young Jedi Knights: The Emperor's Plague (Ailyn Vel disguised as Boba Fett)

I don't see why this should be taken off. I mean, if we note anytime someone is mentioned, that alone means the book should be on here. Whether it was really him or not, it is definitely worth noting. -- Ozzel 23:26, 1 March 2006 (UTC) -- Ozzel 22:36, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I removed it because it wasn't an actual Fett appearance, just his daughter disguised as him. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:24, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I know, but it's at least worthy of a "," right? And if we're gonna do that, we might as well be specific. -- Ozzel 00:37, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * But was he metioned, or was it only Ailyn Vel in his armor? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 01:09, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It shouldn't matter. If someone says "Hey, it's Boba Fett!", it doesn't matter if it's Boba Fett or Jar Jar Binks. They just mentioned Boba Fett. Besides, I'm sure there are many, many people who are unaware of this retcon. We want the best and most complete information possible, right? I don't see what deleting it accomplishes. -- Ozzel 01:56, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, yes, it should. If someone is wearing Boba Fett's armor and it's not Fett, that shouldn't count as a Fett appearance, or even a mention. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 12:25, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Appearances are by definition out of universe. For years, everyone thought that Boba Fett was in YJK; the retcon is fairly recent. I say we include the appearance, or have a note in Behind the Scenes explaining the retcon. -LtNOWIS 21:58, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Just slap a mo tag on it, since he himself did not appear. --Imp 22:07, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * ^Yep, it should certainly be a mention (mo).--Valin Kenobi 22:26, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, but if we're gonna do that, why not go ahead and be specific? -- Ozzel 22:28, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * There's precedent for listing it like that in Jodo Kast, where one appearance is listed as "as impersonated by Thrawn." I added that, and no one has complained. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 22:29, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The "specificness" can be added to his main article text. No need to clutter up the sappearances section. :) --Imp 22:30, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * "Specificity?" ;-) Then does the same go for Thrawn on Jodo Kast's page?