Talk:K'Kruhk/Archive1

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Hat
CongrAtulationS to whoever added the Hat in the "Behind the Scenes" Section! --Master Starkeiller 16:53, 4 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I actually don't know much about the history of the running joke, so anyone who's more active on the forums than I is welcome to expand upon it. &mdash; Silly Dan  16:55, 4 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I think you have coverled it nicely. Learn more about the running joke here: http://boards.theforce.net/Literature/b10003/21093616/p1 --Master Starkeiller 17;25, 4 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Survival
K'Kruhk survived? Was he still alive after the Death of Emperor Palpatine? And if so, what the hell has he been doing? Making new hats? -- SFH 16:33, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)

HA HA! but that is a good question P.h 21:33, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)p.h

How???
How could he have possibly survived Hypori???

He was struck by a lightsaber twice, i mean, how could he possibly survive that, even with his hibernation???

User:General Secura

Looks good, George. CooperTFN 05:27, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * What I'd like to know is how he got off the planet without being detected and what about wild animals just coming along while he was just lieng there helpless?--Rune Haako 05:14, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

alot of jedi do this they have been doing it for thousands of years they use the force to slow there body functions ventress and skywalker have even used this ability at times all you have to do is read and realize it isnt that surprising after the battle there was probably a body retrievel and he got a free ride home woke up and is all get a freaking doctor this hurts

As Kreia said: 'Anything is possible with the Force.'--Domlith 19:25, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Master?
Should we promote K'Kruhk to Jedi Master? The NEC says that he did take a padawan. -- SFH 02:03, 18 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * It was after the purge, so I doubt there's anyone out there handing out promotions. QuentinGeorge 21:58, 25 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * But who said that the padawan was Jempa? Isn't that simply fanon? Charlii 11:11, 17 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I read it was jempa
 * And where did you read this? --Imp 01:45, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * in a comic about 1 year ago   *sorry cant rember the name*
 * There's no source which points to him taking Jempa as a padawan -- QuentinGeorge 02:17, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I dont know. maybe we should put this under the jempa disscution? P.h 21:30, 21 DeC 2005 (UTC)p.H
 * jempa

He could have been promoted in the New Jedi Order. It's not a great problem I think. The more exciting question is what did he do for about 60 years (from 19 BBY to around 40 ABY, he does not appear in any book/comic)? (why do I have the feeling that for the sake of some popular characters, the authors face more and more enormous retcon tasks?)--Domlith 19:28, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

Well both Mace Windu and, years later, Cade Skywalker referred to K'Kruhk as Master. So I do believe he is a Jedi Master. It has never been confirmed how or when he was promoted to the rank though. Bantha Rawk 1:38, 11 Aug 2008

Needs Update
This article needs expansion, to include the very important Ruul story and the Siege of Salecumani.

Quote
This article needs a better one. The one that's there really talks more about Quinlan Vos than K'Kruhk. Any suggestions? --MarcK [talk] 09:00, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC) How about: I've learned to bring basic emergency medical supplies with me. :) QuentinGeorge 11:55, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * There was one in a later comic that one something like, "I do not fear death. I've been dead before." which might be fun reference to his many near-death experiences. :) QuentinGeorge 10:32, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Oooh, that one's perfect. I'm adding it. --MarcK [talk] 10:48, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure if that was it exactly. Better check it. QuentinGeorge 11:10, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you know where it's from? I checked Jedi: Mace Windu and Star Wars Republic 63: Striking from the Shadows and it's not in there. It could be from one of the Siege of Saleucami issues, though I don't own those - Kwenn 11:35, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * It was from the first issue of the Saleucami arc, IIRC. QuentinGeorge 11:37, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * After skimming the entire Siege arc via swcomics.com (boy that site comes in handy), I can confirm that he says nothing of the sort. --MarcK [talk] 11:48, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I could have sworn..... Ah well.
 * Oh wait! I think this was it - I have been almost dead several times... QuentinGeorge 11:56, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Found it in Star Wars Republic 74: The Siege of Saleucami, Part 1 - Kwenn 15:15, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Hat
I'm not trying to suck the fun out of the wiki but that hat section is absolutely, unequivocally retarded and has no place here. I do apologize for deleting it outright though. You are right I should have discussed it here first. So, let's discuss it :) What relevance does that section have here? --DannyBoy7783 20:06, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Since it was in the Behind the scenes section and deals with an aspect of his cult status, I had no problem with it being there. If it had of been in the main text, THEN I would have found it retarded and had it removed. StarNeptune 20:10, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The Behind the Scenes section isn't just a free for all where people can include whatever non-sense they want and get away with it because of which section it is included in. Also, the information is hardly cult status. It pertains to one message board. It's irrelevant. I do feel bad about just outright deleting the section though, so I really do apologize for that.--DannyBoy7783 20:18, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Abel G. Peña has commented on it. School papers have been written about it. The artist has recognized the phenomenon she helped create. I think it deserves to be noted. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  20:29, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm obviously in the minority here so I'm going to drop it for now but if this comes up again I think think the issue of deleting this section should be reconsidered. It's irrelevant and those links barely mention his hat except one by the artist which hardly makes its cult status justified. --DannyBoy7783 20:36, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Cult status is defined by its appeal to a niche group. Wide coverage of cult objects is not common, unless you know where to go. Over at TF.N, for example, a great many users reference K'Kruhk's hat or have quotes relating to it in their sigs. No, it's not really important to the article, but it does add an extra dimension to the piece, and it's not something you'd likely find on Wikipedia...and that's a good thing - Kwenn 21:25, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Specific to one forum doesn't really make it cult status. I understand the definition of "cult status" but there comes a point when it is so obscure that it isn't cult-like. You guys want it kept so I'll drop it. I honestly didn't expect an argument over this so I'll let it go.--DannyBoy7783 21:34, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Though it's mostly on one forum, it should be noted that it's popular on probably the second most significant Star Wars forum around (next to the official site, of course). There may be some bias because it's also a forum where roughly half of this wiki's regulars post, though. &mdash; Silly Dan 22:10, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with DannyBoy, It actually has no place in canon and doesn't relate to the creation of the character or how he was developed. I'm all for including stuff such as "The design of K'kruhk's lightsaber was taken from thelightsaber.com" or "K'kruhk's hat is a popular subject on some message boards", but what we have now, is just too long and shouldn't belong on the character's page. Cull Tremayne 01:39, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not just one messageboard, btw- it has spread to the DHC's boards, been acknowledged by the creators and editors both online and during convention panels in person. Though a running joke, it is relevant to the canon, as not only have there been nods to it (linked to the running gag of him being believed dead, as well as the hat's continued appearances, and K'Kruhk being separated from the hat in Dark Times), it's potentially influenced the continued existence of the character into the Legacy era (as per the dating in the sig that originated the whole "freakin' sweet hat" reference). Sure, I'm a little biased, but I think it's a fair assessment. The2ndQuest 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Pic
Maybe we could replace his Hypori picture with the one with him on Saleucami, and add that one in behind the scenes where it talks about his lightsaber.--DarkShroud 20:30, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I'd just like to say the main picture right now is hideous and doesn't really capture K'kruhk's coolness.
 * The picture is fine and will stay. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 11:04, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Lightsaber Form?
Does anybody know, what kind of lightsaber form did K'Kruhk use?
 * no its not been established Jedi Dude 00:52, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Eye Color
In Siege of Saleucami, a couple frames have his eyes blue. Thoughts?--Kung Lao 00:49, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Hmmm, sometimes blue eye(s)...K'kruhk is Darth Krayt! lol

Medical supplies
Uhmmm...I think the "I carry my own medical supplies with me" was a nod to the runing joke that he has miraculously SURVIVED being killed repeatedly. The current write-up makes it sound like it is a nod to the hat. I don't think it is anyway alluding to the hat. After all, if you nod, a hat falls off.JustinGann 00:43, 28 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I tweaked it per Justin's suggestion. LMK what y'all think.--Valin Kenobi 10:25, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Clone Wars
Can we get a picture of him in the Clone Wars T.V. series? Besides the one of Greivous picking up his lightsaber. Wedgeroks! 02:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Legacy
"On Ossus, K'Kruhk is shown to have survived the Great Jedi Purge and joined the New Jedi Order at some unknown time, even having a hand in Cade Skywalker's early training. Using the Force, he was able to heal the mental injuries to Skywalker's spirit. He and Wolf Sazen would oversee the completion of Cade's training to be able to stand against the Sith." So, apparently he survived not only the Purge but the GCW, the Yuuzhan Vong War, the Corellia-GFFA War, and lived longer than Luke Skywalker. That's ridiculous, IMO. How can he live that long, having that much of an influence? Chack Jadson 20:33, 9 May 2007 (UTC) See my comment at Master? above. Anyway, we should write something about the lifespan of whiphids in their article.--Domlith 19:33, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, that would depend on the lifecycle of Whipids, but I would like to point out that its K'Kruhk that we're talking about. Survivability is his thing. -- SFH 20:36, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The article doesn't say how long Whiphids live. Anyone know? And true, it is the amazing K'Kruhk in question. I think it's cheesy though. The whole "lives longer than Luke Skywalker" thing is just dumb. Chack Jadson 20:39, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Whipids apparently live around 150 years - so, by Legacy, K'Kruhk is around 155 - very, very old. QuentinGeorge 22:00, 9 May 2007 (UTC)
 * He was already a Padawan during the Yinchorri conflict, and that was 170 years before Legacy #11. He must be at least 190 when he appears in Legacy. Rouge77
 * I'd expect some kind of stasis to play into it -- possibly having to do with the hidden temple thing. Which means . . . aww, shit. The Padawan K'kruhk took with him is Darth Krayt. You heard it first here, folks. Havac 00:42, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd like to point out that K'Kruhk is a Jedi, and Jedi often have longer lives than normal for their species. Viperhawk 14:46, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
 * And I thought the Jacen Solo/Darth Krayt fanon was annoying. Thank you, Havac. -- SFH 03:07, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well Whiphids are long-lived in and of themselves, and additionally it's been said that Force strong representatives of species can live at up to twice the average length of life, so it's not entirely far-fetched. Vryce 03:12, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * My pleasure, SFH. ;) Havac 06:51, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The power of the Freakin' Sweet Hat extends beyond space and time. All hail K'Kruhk the Unvanquishable!75.71.95.3 21:27, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I still find it hard to believe that it's true... &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 22:24, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't read the Legacy comics, but I think you have an interesting theory, Havac. Maybe I should start. Hmmm... Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 01:36, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Not unless we find out that K'Kruhk's long life is usual for Whiphids. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 00:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The life-span was given in the Ultimate Alien Anthology, unless it's been contradicted by something new. Vryce 05:02, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

ROTS novel?
Where in it was he mentioned? I remember reading through it last year and specifically looking for him, and not finding anything. I remember we also had some other entries here (Lemelisk, and Tholme, I believe) which erroneously had them listed as being in the novel also. Kuralyov 04:16, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I masochistically went through the novel a few months ago looking for such references, and K'Kruhk was one of them I found and added. I am 100% sure he is there, but I can't recall which page he is mentioned on. Adamwankenobi 08:47, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Page 92 of the hardcover: "He has many, many such trophies; the four he carries with him are his particular favorites. One belonged to the interminable K'Kruhk, whom he had bested at Hypori..." (about Grievous and his lightsabers) - Lord Hydronium 01:59, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Temp Gallery

 * This is a temporary gallery for while I am working on the expansion. QuentinGeorge 08:36, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Additional eras.
Instead of having this all on my talk page, the debate over the eras will continue here. This issue has not been solved yet, and I believe the other eras should be re-added. This whole "If a charcter did not appear in a source of the era, he/she didn't live in that era" is ridiculous. There is no policy on such, and even precedents provided by Lord Hydronium on my talk page aren't the same as the case of K'Kruhk. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 13:41, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Here's the policy: Follow canon. K'Kruhk does not appear in any of those eras. It's not a case of when he lived, its a case of published works. They are publishing eras, after all, not IU eras. So now, era question solved. So says I. QuentinGeorge 14:01, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Fine. I'll be the mature one and end this debate. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 14:45, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, I've always written up all the eras in-between sightings. I always thought they looked silly when an object or a character "ceased to exist" in certain time periods. :P VT-16 18:26, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That's what I say. And still say, as a matter of fact. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 19:03, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation
How exactly is k'kruhk pronounced? i always think of it as kuh-crook, but i'm not sure. can anyone give me a difinative answer? AdmirableAckbar 17:27, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think it's ever been said how to correctly pronounce it. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 19:26, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's never been explicitly stated in-universe, but Jan Duursema (I heard her say it in person), Genndy Tartokovsky (Clone Wars DVD commentary) and Randy Stradley (according to Duursema, on her message board) all pronounce it kuh-kruck. --Joser Kyind 09:42, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

battle of geonosis
where was k'kruhk during the battle of geonosis? AdmirableAckbar 19:14, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Somewhere. I don't believe it's been said where exactly yet. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 23:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)

Needs Update
Umm...not to be rude...but is anyone going to update this article soon? The new comic issue (Parallels) has been out for almost 2 weeks! I'd do it, but there isnt a comic book shop for miles. Nyax 23:11, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

K'Kruhk's Lightsaber form
I think K'Kruhk's lightsaber form is Form V or Form IV, Because in the Battle of Hypori it looks like he's using one of those but I'm not certain.Darth Juddast 03:04, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

K'Kruhk
O.K. Why does the article say that he knows that A'Sharad Hett is Darth Krayt? Unless there is a source for this, I'm taking it out.--Jedi Kasra 20:50, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Battle of Hypori
Clone Wars doesn't seem to give any hint that K'Kruhk survives the battle. Was he originally meant to be killed off in the series? --68.38.156.187 02:40, 29 August 2008 (UTC)

Long liv the survivor[s]!
if our buddy is around 180 years old by the time of 127 ABY. he survived the purge and every war. pretty much, luke skywalker hopefully talked to him. Therefore he is about 31 years old when the battle of geonosis took place,and at 0ABY he is 53 years old...and at 137BBY he is about 190 years old