Talk:Tyber Zann

i already like this guy his name is no doubt a tribute to timothy zahn
 * Please don't start a talk page with "i already like this guy". Talk pages are not for your opinions. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:37, 11 May 2006 (UTC)


 * It's an interesting theory, though, I hadn't thought of that, could be... but if it's true it'll be confirmed by an official source, so we should wait for that before we add it to the page. --Thetoastman 00:38, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It could be... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:53, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Notice also how his appearance seems to match that of Zahn when he dressed as Talon Karrde for the SWCG. Kuralyov 03:40, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Should I add something in about this? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)

Source
What is the actual source for much of this information, such as birth year and location? --SparqMan 05:41, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Seems like fanon, especially with the anon contributions. Kuralyov 06:26, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I removed it before, so I'm going to remove it again. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:31, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Nothing on this entry should be taken as fact since it is based on an E3 demo; the demo was made up to show off units and had no story in it at all. The background for this character will only be available once FoC is released. --Darth-Torpid_PG 10:57, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, wrong, because it's information about him. He's featured in the trailer; therefore, he and everything in the article is canon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:06, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Although that is one of the developers you're talking to there, I must agree, the few stats and overall non-game information we got from the trailer should be reasonable enough to include for now. VT-16 05:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That was one of the game developers? Oops... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:24, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yup. PG stands for "Petroglyph". That's usually their handles on forums. ;) VT-16 17:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I would know, seeing as how I had a large part in creating the character :) The trailer was also tailored to show off units. There's nothing in the trailer dialog that is flat-out wrong, but anything seen there is NOT from the story. The ONLY things that can be taken as fact are his name and his rivalry with Jabba.  His interaction with the Eclipse and the canon heroes is all speculation at this point because we have not revealed any story details.  I applaud the initiative to get Tyber on Wookieepedia, just as long as everyone understands that the entry is very subject to change. --Darth-Torpid_PG 10:57, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that... We've had some people acting like they make up canon every so often, so I'm kind of always on my guard... Anyway, thanks for the heads-up that it could very well change. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:47, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait a minute... how can this might be post-Endor if he has a rivalry with Jabba?

it is 100% pre endor the death star seen in during costrution in trailer. Jabba in trailer. do the math noobs. Unless it is 30% non-cannon like the original empire at war. it is pre endor. Ralok 19:24, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, no, because Darth-Torpid_PG is one of the game developers. I think he would know, not you. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The storyline starts at some point after the Battle of Yavin and goes up to at least the Battle of Endor. What the article means is that it might span beyond the Battle of Endor. -- I need a name 20:28, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:31, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

but the behind the scenes implies that his entire story is post endor. Ralok 03:00, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't. It says that it could be post-Endor. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:56, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

Picture
This guy looks like Lucius Malfoy. Kuralyov 03:06, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Great... First the Darth-Plagueis-looking-like-Voldemort thing, and now Tyber Zann looking like Lucius Malfoy. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:13, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

hmmm...he does bear a strong resemblance to Jason Isaacs(guy who played Malfoy). I am sure Corroney did this intentionally. -Taskmaster
 * Probably. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 02:07, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It bares more than a resemblance!!!

They're pratically the same person. It just goes to show what can happen when twits like Harry Potter don't revise their appirition spell properly! Jasca Ducato Sith Council (Sith campaign) 19:15, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No!!! Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:01, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Funny, I noticed the same thing before even coming in here. It must be Malfoy, the bastard is so evil, this role would fit for... wait a sec.. -- Riffsyphon1024 04:58, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's another image for comparison. I have a feeling we may be seeing more of Mr. Isaacs soon. -- Riffsyphon1024 05:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I would say it looks *exactly* like Malfoy. Interesting to see what Joe will say about it in his endnotes. --Azizlight 05:51, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I've messaged Joe on myspace for absolute confirmation on the how and why of this, even though the article states he ran out of reference shots and went on a suggestion. He should reply within a day. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:17, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I for one think it's a cool thing to do. But do you need permission from the actor to do that sort of thing? --Azizlight 06:42, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought, because if this is going to happen, there's something else going on here *coughseriescough*. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:13, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Case in point this from the BTS: "Zann was included in Star Wars Insider 89 at the request of LucasArts, who wished additional publicity for him." There's something up somebody's sleeve here. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:19, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you're reading into it too much Riff ;-) They're just trying to sell the Empire at War expansion. Have they even began casting for Star Wars TV? --Azizlight 07:33, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh cmon, it's fun to speculate. No there haven't been any auditions or anything but it all makes you wonder, doesn't it. -- Riffsyphon1024 08:39, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you suggesting Tyber Zann is going to be in the Star Wars TV series? I hope not. Then again... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:08, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok so it's taking a little longer than I expected for a reply from Joe. -- Riffsyphon1024 15:25, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * That's okay. I have to sit and wait for the results of my admin nomination anyway. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:59, 29 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, Joe never replied. What implications does this mean if he doesn't deny anything? Also could I still list Tyber Zann as a speculation for the series? It will irk me until it happens or doesn't. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:52, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:16, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Choice of weapons
Is that a Rawk chopped special in Zann's hand?Tocneppil 19:18, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Good God, it is. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:33, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * And confirmed by the latest release. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:15, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * So is this evidence that Rawk lived in the Rebellion era? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:18, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't make sense, unless Rawk wasn't really human. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Why wouldn't it make sense? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:29, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * If they say that Rawk customized the weapon for Cade, he would have to live over 100 years to have one made by him during the Rebellion, unless the name was used by his ancestors to make weapons. Then he would remain in 140 ABY and his ancestors would have been the first to customize the weapon and thus hand down the instructions to make one. -- Riffsyphon1024 16:04, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Since when is 100 years old so old in Star Wars? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

IGN interview
I assume the background presented in "his" IGN interview is official information? Imperial cadet, kicked out by Thrawn due to suspected weapons-theft, gained information network thanks to his Imperial connections, had dealings with Jabba before his betrayal, offers "protection" to planets affected by the GCW. Nice stuff. VT-16 17:57, 28 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I suppose so. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:38, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

change in text
Ok "Zann even went so far as to attempt to capture a prototype Eclipse-class Star Dreadnought for his navy." there is nothing saying that he want this ship for his navy, mabey there is an another reason no? He is part of the underworld so why want the biggest ship in the galaxy? It would just be a large target and if he is part of the galaxy underowlrd he would want to be able to hid. So I want it to be changed to "for unknown reasons" lepaster 19:41, 2 Oct 2006 (UTC) because it doesnt any where say why he wants it Lepaster 21:17, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's a big ship. What else is he going to use it for? A coffee table? --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) [[Image:Sithempire2.png|20px]] 00:21, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. It'd make no sense for him to use it for something else. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:22, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Mabey to bribe some one or get infomation?? lepaster 20:24, 2 Oct 2006 (UTC)
 * And not use it in his own navy? He'd have to be incredibly stupid not to do something like that. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:26, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * He's part of the underworld that would put him into the same level as empire and rebel ranking not very underworld like!lepaster 20:27, 2 Oct 2006 (UTC)
 * Why would he care if he wasn't "very underworld like" if he had a Star Dreadnought with a superlaser on it? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:29, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * He's not the only underworld figure who got ahold of Imperial equipment. Both Booster Terrik and Crimson Jack had Star Destroyers.Tocneppil 07:38, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * But they weren't Eclipse-class Star Dreadnoughts. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, of course not. But star destroyers aren't exactly chopped-liver. The Alliance leaders in the X-Wing novels were very concerned over Booster's star destroyer and the power it represented. I think that lepaster's comment on not being very underworld-like was in reference to levels of power; a gangster wouldn't be in possession of something that powerful -it would make him something akin to a warlord. His 'profile' would cease to be low as the powers-that-be became aware of this new threat to their operations. It would be like giving a nuke to a street gang. My comment was simply agreeing with you on the point of underworld figures with Imperial surplus. I should have mentioned the Hutts involved with the superlaser in Darksaber.Tocneppil 17:49, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Gangster or not, having an Eclipse would make sure no one would oppose you. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:22, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Or it could have the opposite effect, as everyone unites to make sure that you are eliminated as a threat.Tocneppil 03:23, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, that would most likely by be a death setence. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:24, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That's what they thought on the Death Star.Tocneppil 17:07, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * True, but the Death Stars I and II each had a fatal flaw when they were destroyed. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:39, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * And each flaw was discovered, then exploited by a group of diverse beings all working together to bring about the end of said 'super-weapon', both from the inside as well as out. I'm sure a fellow 'Fleet Junkie' like yourself could find a flaw in an Eclipse-class Star Dreadnaught.Tocneppil 20:29, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Given complete schematics, probably. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:54, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the engines have always been under-defended against attack, then there's the fact that the superlaser can only hit what's directly in front of it, the whole ship would have to be brought about to strike another target. And don't forget who Zann stole from -I don't think the Emperor would take a theft like that lying down (there is that line about certain things paling in significance compared to the power of the Force).Tocneppil 00:08, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, of course the Empire would be able to destroy an Eclipse. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:31, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thats my I think we should take out "for his navy" he would have to think the empire would do what ever it took to destory it or get it back. and given his history I dont think he woul dwant to take over the galaxy just rule the underworld of it Lepaster 00:54, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No, because what else would he use it for? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:55, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * to maybe get something (info, money or maybe some one) from the empire or rebels Lepaster 00:56, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * And how would he go about doing that? That makes no sense. A Star Dreadnought would be used for a navy and only a navy. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:13, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * thats stuped hes a smart man, he would know he wouldnt be able to hold it very long. The empire would do any thing to destory it. Plus its the  emperor flag ship so maybe there so infomation or files of great importance?? If I was him I and I wanted to control the underworld having a big red traget like that wouldnt help much. Lepaster 13:44, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, you're not him. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:49, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * ok just wait anfd your see am right Lepaster 21:18, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Stop it already. He'd use it for his navy if he had it, otherwise it'd be pointless to have it. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:22, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * this is not an attack on you dut you dont know what your talking about. Lepaster 02:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Neither do you, then. If he didn't want to be a galactic threat, where would he hid it? And what would he do with it then? It makes no sense. He most likely wanted to get back at Jabba and the Empire, which were basically the top organization in their fields. A good way to do that would be with an Eclipse-class Star Dreadnought. Now, until you have proof that he didn't want it for his navy, I'd advise you to stop, because you're not supporting your position in any way. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:30, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think we're forgetting that Zann is a criminal first and formost, not a military-type guy -he might have stolen the Eclipse to show he was capable of breaking into even the most secure of installations, which in and of itself says as much about his abilities as cruising around the GFFA in a gigantic ship capable of wiping out planets. Plus he might have stolen it in order to sell it; either to the Rebels, Black Sun, or even back to the Imps if he had the cajones (now that's an auction I'd like to watch:) As for hiding it, he could drop it into the atmosphere of a Yavinesque gas giant, just below visual range, but well within communications so that he could call it up when he needed, or he could hide it in the corona of a sun like the rebels did with their fleet during the Marvel Star Wars comics arc leading up to ROTJ.Tocneppil 05:24, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, it's stupid to think that he wouldn't use it for his navy if he was to keep it. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:56, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, not stupid, just one way of looking at things. You know; "A certain point of view";D That's what makes all of this so interesting -nobody knows what the other guy will do next. If everybody thought in the same way, it wouldn't be very adventurous, and the writers would be quickly out of a job when their audience left. For all we know this is an elaborate ruse cooked up by the Emperor for his own amusement, putting rival factions at each others throats like when he was playing Vader and Xizor against one another.Tocneppil 21:43, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, the most likely answer is that he wanted to use it in his navy. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:27, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * And that's your point of view:)Tocneppil 06:01, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's the most logical answer, though. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:20, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Remember the NPOV! UglukWhine Here 14:56, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * POV or not, it's the only thing that makes sense. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:07, 9 October 2006 (UTC)
 * To you maybe. Thats the problem you arnt willing to look at this from another point of view, your cloes minded about this Lepaster 01:46, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No. Unless you have very good reason to suggest why it should be changed, it won't be. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:25, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That's not a good reason. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:19, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you hear what your saying? This is wiki is about facts and facts only not what you think he will use it for. maybe we should what the admins say? Lepaster 02:22, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * So this is all about canonicity??? Stang, I was going to agree with 'I Need A Name' and say that Zann would use the 'Eclipse' as a coffee table:) But we've got to go with what the canonical sources say -not speculation (prob'ly need to ask an admin about the rules on speculation).Tocneppil 05:29, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Speculation or not; in the article or not, it's still the most logical answer. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:20, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, yeah, from your POV. See, you're thinking from a military viewpoint. Lepaster's post was regarding the fact that Zann was first and foremost a criminal -the game does reference the Star Wars Underworld- and the fact that being an underworld figure requires a certain subterfuge in operating, and that it would be hard to maintain that low profile with a miles-long starship in your back pocket. Yes it's a formidable weapon, and yes it basically has one use (that's what it was built for, obviously), but Lepaster's point was that your POV, however logical, might not be the 'sole' POV. It is shown that he stole the dreadnaught, that's a certainty, but he could have stolen it for somebody else's navy, or for another reason to be revealed.Tocneppil 17:50, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Or perhaps he didn't want to be just an underworld figure any more. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:51, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

New info
There is some new info |here that should be added to the article. -  Angel Blue (Holonet) 01:13, 4 October 2006 (UTC)