User:BrentNewland/Dagger

I'm the creator of this category. I made it as part of some additions to the and  pages.

You see, these categories were missing many ships which would typically be called Super Star Destroyers - mainly battlecruisers.

The Super Star Destroyer page specifies an SSD as a dagger-shaped warship larger than a Star Destroyer, from "Cruiser" classes and up. Of course, Cruisers and Heavy Cruisers are actually smaller than Star Destroyers, but battlecruisers are mostly larger (2km+ according to the Anaxes War College System).

I chose to add to the Super Star Destroyers page all the 2km+ dagger-shaped ships from the Clone wars era onwards (since Star Destroyer doesn't seem to refer to any ships before the Clone Wars). The SSD Variants category I added all the root classes of SSD's, as well as individual SSD's that were unique.

The fact that so many ships were missing from the SSD categories is reflected in another area - there are many ships which a normal fan might call "Star Destroyers", but are too small or too old - for example, the Acclamator class and the Centurion class.

Can't change the definition of Star Destroyer to fit in ships that are ancient or too small, so I created and. This category can cover all the various ships which have been based upon the Imperial Star Destroyer.

I believe this is very important, because there are many ships (for example, in KotOR) that were clearly inspired by the Star Destroyer out of canon, but predate the Star Destroyer in-canon. Right now, if I want to find those ships from the Old Republic era, or the Sith Wars era (so on and so forth) that look like Star Destroyers, I have to go digging through categories and guessing at searches.

Dagger-shaped ships are a unique and highly recognizable design in the Star Wars universe. Is there any reason not to have this category? BrentNewland (talk) 08:44, December 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * Arbitrarily deciding to classify ships based on size/shape is not allowed. Unless you have a valid source calling those ships/classes as "Super Star Destroyers", you can't add them to category or name them as such.
 * We do not categorize things by appearance. That is not encyclopedic. We don't have "category:green-skinned aliens" or "category:purple planets" and we don't need "category:dagger-shaped warships". <- Omicron (Leave a message at the BEEP! ) 08:58, December 13, 2014 (UTC)


 * Please be patient, it will take me some time to gather the evidence needed. It's also time to go to bed for me, so it may take 12 hours or more. BrentNewland (talk) 10:52, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

What follows is a rough draft of my notes which I stopped working on due to all of my work being maliciously deleted by an administrator:

change of mind, especially one that is unusual or unexplained.'' My decision was not random choice, and it was not a sudden desire or change of mind; it is not unusual, and it does have explanation. I have been considering this problem since October. point): I primarily went off the Super Star Destroyer page. I'd first like to point out that while "Star Destroyer" is a classification within the Anaxes War College System, "Super Star Destroyer" is not a class or classification. Per the Essential Guide to Warfare: Destroyers"..." battlecruisers are ships 2,000-5,000 meters long, and dreadnoughts are ships over 5,000 meters long. capitalized proper names has significance, that they are not referring to a simple ship classification. This is reinforced by the Anaxes War College System article, which distinguishes between "star destroyers" as a ship class, and "Star Destroyers" as a term used initially and "commonly" by Kuat Drive Yards in particular: ships. It was ultimately included, however, as, by the time of the Clone Wars, many warships not made by KDY were referred to as Star Destroyers." trio of six-hundred-meter cruisers-the Enforcer, Interdictor, and Vindicator classes-were common sights on the galaxy's star lanes. Far larger warships also followed the famous Star Destroyer Design, among them the eight-thousand-meter Mandator-class dreadnaught, a successor to KDY's Procurator-class warship. And then, of course, there was the nineteen-thousand-meter Executor-class Star Dreadnought." Alliance, with new models such as the Republic-class Star Destroyer and the Galactic-class battle carrier serving alongside them." statement that it is not encyclopedic.
 * Please be careful in the words you choose when typing. ''Arbitrary - based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system. Whim - a sudden desire or
 * Relating to your point #1 regarding the Super Star Destroyer categories (I'll skip the part about classification by size/shape since that's the primary focus of your second
 * ''"To those who thought the Star Destroyer sufficient for policing the galaxy, battlecruisers and dreadnoughts - lumped together under the derisive tag "Super Star
 * There are two important things to note here - first, the book clearly says that battlecruisers and dreadnoughts are Super Star Destroyers. Per the Anaxes War College System,
 * Second, while "battlecruisers" and "dreadnoughts" are both lower case, "Star Destroyer" and "Super Star Destroyer" are capitalized - putting these two items specifically as
 * ''"Some disagreed with the use of Star Destroyer as a classification, feeling that it was an unfair recognition of Kuat Drive Yards, who commonly used the term for their own
 * The fact that Star Destroyer is used as both a class and a special name, that in the sentence quoted above "Star Destroyer" and "Super Star Destroyer" are capitalized while "battlecruiser" and "dreadnoughts" are lowercase, and that the encyclopedia says that battlecruisers and dreadnoughts are Super Star Destroyers (and specifically does not say that only some are considered that), leads to the conclusion that any ship that is a battlecruiser or dreadnought can technically qualify as a "Super Star Destroyer".
 * Essential Guide to Warfare page 117:
 * "The combination of KDY's history of warship customization and the Empire's insistence on using inter-changeable components led to many variations on the basic Imperial-class model, as well as much smaller and larger hulls built along the Star Destroyer\'s wedge-shaped lines."
 * "Smaller members of the KDY Star Destroyer "family" included the four-hundred-meter Imperial II-class frigate and the five-hundred-meter Pursuit-class light cruiser, while a
 * "Imperial-class Star Destroyers and other ships of this extended family remained common sights in the fleets of the New Republic, Imperial Remnant, and Galactic
 * HOWEVER: The fact that "Star Destroyer" (when not used as a class name) refers to a FAMILY of ships that have "wedge-shaped lines" would indicate that Super Star Destroyer (which is not a class name, but a family name) also requires the Star Destroyer's wedge-shaped lines.
 * In other words, "Super Star Destroyer" = Battlecruisers and dreadnoughts built to the Star Destroyer's wedge-shaped lines.
 * Regarding categorizing things by appearance: I would appreciate a reference of some sort about the not categorizing things by appearance rule, as well as one to support your

Ships which are prime candidates for this article:

Acclamator-class assault ship

Harrower-class dreadnought

Gage-class transport

Terminus-class destroyer

Mandalorian warship (Venator-style)

Centurion-class battlecruiser

Immobilizer 418 cruiser

Imperial II-class frigate

Victory II-class frigate

Pursuit-class light cruiser

Vindicator-class heavy cruiser

Enforcer-class picket cruiser

It's also my hope the administrators will turn on Category Exhibition, which shows pictures from each article when browsing a category. Forum:SH:Suggestion/Request:_Category_Exhibition

I would also like to point out that just because there aren't many categories like this doesn't mean it's not a useful category to have. A wiki is not a hardbound encyclopedia, unchanging, but a dynamic and evolving collection of, and interface for, knowledge. BrentNewland (talk) 20:55, December 13, 2014 (UTC)