Talk:Alliance to Restore the Republic

Alliance

 * So do we have word of God confirmat that it is in fact the Alliance to Restore the Republic appearing in Star Wars 7 as opposed to a canonical New Republic, or are we just guessing? 121.219.175.235 18:42, November 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's a fair point, I suppose. What we have is a pilot flying with a helmet bearing a logo that's always been associated with the Rebel Alliance. ProfessorTofty (talk) 18:45, November 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * We do not, however for the time being I think it's safe to call this the Rebel Alliance, as no other organization has had that emblem. Things could change as we learn more about the movie, but for now at least I think we should keep it as the Rebel Alliance. Cevan (talk) 19:04, November 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * In any case, the consensus from other users now would seem to be to not call it the Rebel Alliance for now. ProfessorTofty (talk) 19:35, November 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * It is the Rebel Alliance --71.86.95.26 00:51, March 25, 2015 (UTC)Tacolyte371.86.95.26 00:51, March 25, 2015 (UTC)

Name

 * I believe this article should be renamed "Rebel Alliance." The term has yet to be used in any canon. Once we see something, then we can restore the original name.--Marcuspearl (talk) 02:57, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * i agree Tacolyte3 (talk)Tacolyte3
 * "Alliance to Restore the Republic" is used in the StarWars.com Databank on 2 or 3 pages. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 03:09, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I think we should leave it as is. "Alliance to Restore the Republic" is actually used in canon sources. I think it's like the CIS/Separatist Alliance situation. Although they're often just referred to as the Separatist Alliance, their full, canon name is the Confederacy of Independent Systems. Cevan (talk) 03:21, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yea, But when was the last time the database was updated ? and plus, the CIS situation is different because that term is used in The Clone Wars. --Marcuspearl (talk) 03:26, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * What difference does it make if it hasn't been updated in a bit? It's still canon, and nothing will change that. I say we leave it as is. Cevan (talk) 03:29, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * I like Rebel Alliance better but canon is canon. In addition to the databank, the old SW encyclopedia (the canon one) used Alliance to Restore the Republic. Fe Nite (talk) 03:56, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * Technically speaking the name "Alliance to Restore the Republic" was used in the canon mobile game Star Wars: Galactic Defense. Thus the Alliance to Restore the Republic is the official canonical name, while Rebel Alliance and the Rebellion are simply slang terms, much like the Federal Republic of the United States of America is often referred to as America or the U.S.A. Comm. Boots (talk) 01:34, March 10, 2015 (UTC)
 * Keep as is for the based on the same reasoning that Confederacy of Independent Systems/Canon was moved back to that after having been moved to Separatist Alliance. (See Talk:Confederacy of Independent Systems/Canon) ProfessorTofty (talk) 01:43, March 10, 2015 (UTC)

Quote
The current quote is "The Rebel Alliance is too well equipped. They're more dangerous than you realize."

- Cassio Tagge and it is OK, but I have a feeling that a quote by the good side would be better than a line spoken by the bad guys. Is there some useful quotes from newly published comics and novels? I personally would use the Obi-Wan quote, in Star Wars Rebels: Spark of Rebellion, which is "We will each be challenged; our trust, our faith, our friendships, but we must persevere. And in time, a new hope will emerge."

- Obi-Wan Kenobi It is kind of indirect mention than the former one, but it adds more of their struggle against the Empire. Only with the Tagge line sounds like the Rebel Alliance is more of a terrorist organization. Also, the same Tagge's quote is used in the History section. Any thoughts on changing the main quote? Jaewade (talk) 01:19, May 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree that we should try and get a new quote, however I don't think we should use the Obi-Wan one. Cevan (talk) 14:39, May 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't have any issues with the current quote, personally. There aren't that many quotes about the Rebel Alliance in canon. I also disagree that the current quote makes them sound like a terrorist organization. It makes it sound like they're formidable. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 14:43, May 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, nothing really bad about the quote, I just wondered if there's some lines that make the Alliance looks more heroic, like the quote used in the Legends page. I hope there will be a better one in the future Jaewade (talk) 11:28, May 17, 2015 (UTC)

Secret senatorial meetings in Episode III
The history gallery for the Databank's "Galactic Senate" entry uses a picture from a deleted scene. Does this mean we can regard said scene as canon? --LelalMekha (talk) 17:38, August 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * Just to add to this, the Delegation of 2,000 is currently canon thanks to the Databank, there are pictures and information from these deleted scenes on other Databank pages (I know at least Mon Mothma's page has this), and there is info and at least one picture from these scenes within Ultimate Star Wars. Cevan (talk) 17:41, August 30, 2015 (UTC)

Missing Information
This page is about the Rebel Alliance and their various missions to defeat the Empire so it seems strange to me that all the events that occurred between A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back as detailed in the 2015 Marvel Star Wars series are not included in this page. Has no one just gotten around to it or has it been purposely left out because of a reason? Harshg (talk) 13:44, October 31, 2016 (UTC)
 * No one's gotten around to it. If you'd like, feel free to add that info! - Brandon Rhea (talk) 15:04, October 31, 2016 (UTC)

Unnecessary Information
The The Berch Teller insurgency and the Ryloth Rebellion are both not connected with the Rebel Alliance and didn't contribute to it in anyway. I don't see why they have their own mini sections. They can just be mentioned under the Age of the Empire section. There are bound to be many more small rebellions like this. We can't add all of them. Harshg (talk) 18:28, January 6, 2017 (UTC)

Secret Cargo events

 * Ok since many of us seen the episode, I remembered some parts of the speech of Mothma and went to the Rogue One Ultimate Visual Guide and found this. https://twitter.com/Darth_Hardy/status/838248511548239872, it says that her resigning to the senate and the speech was the declaration of rebellion that gave rise to the formal Alliance. Question is: How you interpret this information, I think that the source is telling that those events was the formal declaration of the Alliance, but before I change anything on both rebellion and alliance page, wanted to see what all you of think about this--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 04:44, March 5, 2017 (UTC)

Holy interplanetary yardstick! --The 178th Legion 11:15, March 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * Gave rise doesn't necessarily mean it formed right then and there. It just means it led to the events that culminated in the formal establishment of the Rebel Alliance. Given that multiple rebel cells came together with her after that speech, well, it can certainly be said that the speech gave rise to the unification of the rebellion, which in turn led to the Rebel Alliance. Reddyredcp (talk) 14:37, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Agreed with Reddyredcp. Rebels Recon also makes mention of the fact that this is a key event in the formation of the Rebel Alliance, not the specific founding moment. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 15:57, March 5, 2017 (UTC)


 * Well someone already changed to the 2BBY, should we removed it until a more official confirmation?--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 17:17, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * I think so, since what we saw in Secret Cargo was a key event rather than the specific founding moment, as Brandon said. JRT2010 (talk) 18:33, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * I've seen on the SW rebels fb page for the 10 moments list and Recon that says "A Rebel Alliance was born in "Secret Cargo." Here are 10 highlights form the pivotal #StarWarsRebels episode.", I think that it is, but I think we should wait for episode guide to be sure about this. --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 19:19, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * That article is a SW.com editorial piece that has nothing to do with the Story Group. Those articles shouldn't be taken as canonical sources. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 21:22, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * The R1 Visual Guide link that Anil provided does state that Mothma's declaration of rebellion is what "gave rise" to the formal Alliance to Restore the Republic. Could this mean that the Rebel Alliance was born the moment she gave that speech, or that it was the start of a process that culminated in the official establishment of the Rebel Alliance? JRT2010 (talk) 21:31, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Given what was said in Rebels Recon, it would be the latter. We'll surely see a moment in the show where they officially declare themselves the Rebel Alliance. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 21:48, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * I take it we haven't gotten more concrete word on whether or not the Alliance has truly been founded yet in Rebels? Cevan  IMPpress.svg  (talk)  00:28, March 17, 2017 (UTC)
 * It was implied that was the beginning of the Alliance. Fan26 (talk) 01:04, March 17, 2017 (UTC)
 * That's what the episode guide says, but that's not written by the Story Group and has been known to occasionally get things wrong. Cevan  IMPpress.svg  (talk)  17:07, March 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * Per the sourcing canon policy Databank is an acceptable canon source just like the Rogue One Ultimate Visual Guide. We have both source stating this, this shouln't be a problem. --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 17:46, March 19, 2017 (UTC)

Rebel Network
So, just recently the page for the rebellion was deleted, and the information seems to have been merged with the page for both the Alliance and the early rebellion against the Galactic Empire. I was just wondering if it would still be a good idea to create a "Rebel network" page, or something like it, because it's clear that although the various cells didn't band together until "Secret Cargo", there was still a kind of coordinated network, led by Bail, Mon and maybe some others, and that's what Ahsoka would have worked for as Fulcrum. Basically, a page about the people who slowly worked to make the formation of the Alliance possible. Of course, this could be redundant, but it's just an idea.SilverSunbird (talk) 03:05, October 23, 2017 (UTC)
 * Having a page for the coordinated efforts of the rebel cells is unnecessary, as was established here. The coordinated efforts are part of various other pages, and do not warrant an organization page of their own because the cells did not become one organization until the formation of the Alliance. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 03:29, October 23, 2017 (UTC)