Wookieepedia:Votes for deletion/Shadowscourge

Shadowscourge
Nominate and abstain delete for cabal reasons. Notable? - Sikon [ Talk ] 05:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Delete

 * 1) Delete the article, but add the link to our List of fan sites --Rudy 04:57, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Delete. Insufficiently notable at this time.  We're here to report and explain notable things, not promote or create them. jSarek 12:09, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Delete as it's just not notable at all. Besides, what are they going to do besides complain? Lucas Licensing knows about SuperShadow, but if they try to shut him down then they'd be breaking the basic principle of free speach. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 12:13, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Delete Havac 02:37, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) Delete, unless our intention is to list every fansite out there (which it isn't as far as I'm concerned.) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 20:16, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) Delete, but perhaps mention in the Mickey Suttle article. RMF 03:51, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 7) Delete, the site just isn't notable. Why take a stand on such a inane topic?--Sentry 10:28, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 8) Delete. The article has been edited mostly by (I'm assuming ) Shadowscourge forum members and comes across as a cross between advertising and a vanity article . Alternatively, add to List of fan sites.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 19:34, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 9) Delete and add to List of fan sites and/or Mickey Suttle per previous voters. It's not NPOV-compliant, it's nothing but POV. -- Darth Culator 22:44, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 10) Sikon [ Talk ] 19:08, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 11) Delete. The purpose of this site is not to provide free advertising to fanon sites. LSUAdman 05:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Keep

 * 1) --MyNz 5:36, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Jasca Ducato 08:52, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) KEJ 09:45, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) NKSCF 1:54, 1 June, 2006
 * 5) Riffsyphon1024 10:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) Sato Stars 19:23, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 7) Keep. If we have an article on SuperIdiot here, we should have this as well. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:35, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 8) Keep. Looks good --SGCommand 10:15, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 9) Keep. Has been updated a bit, looks a lot better than before. Cmontheplane 01:56, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 10) Keep. Shadowscourge has as much of a right to have an article about their site on here as the people who created the Mickey Suttle/SuperShadow article. Jaxon1680 09:57, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 11) Keep. Like it was said if Mickey has one then his opposite should have one. Dan Loto 11:49, 8 June 2006
 * 12) Keep. Not only is this against SS, but it's also a Star Wars site in general with an interesting history. They also need to clear their names from their accusations.ShinGarudaS 04:38, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * 13) Keep. But it needs a serious rewrite and be combed with an NPOV comb. -- SFH 05:02, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Merge/Redirect
Merge. Even though the article does tell the history and status of the site, it is only relevent to an article which has been given as much attention as it should have. -User:Remoh, aka Shmucky Dales: member of ShadowScourge.

Comments
Keep. We could join forces with them because we share one thing: We oppose SuperShadow. MyNz 5:36, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * To SuperShadow intolerance, notability one give does not. - Sikon [ Talk ] 07:15, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * If we have an article on SuperShadow, why not one on his enemies. Especially since he actually admits to lying to them. Jasca Ducato 08:52, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * We could form an alliance, something like the real-world Rome-Berlin-Tokyo Axis, Allied Powers, Warsaw Pact, NATO, Non-Aligned Movement, Organisation of Islamic Conference, etc. We formed an alliance with a German-language Jedi fan website so I think we should form one with Shadowscourge. MyNz 9:01, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It needs an overhaul, though. KEJ 09:49, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Theoretically, we AREN'T against StuporShadow. We try to maintain a neutral point of view, and that definitely doesn't include forming an alliance in opposition to a website.  Of course, on a practical level that NPOV is hard to come by with a blatant liar like SS, but that doesn't mean we should just completely give up on our ideals of neutrality over him.  He's not worth it. jSarek 11:58, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Keep it. NKSCF 1:55, 1 June, 2006
 * I vote to keep assuming this becomes more popular and a force against SuperShadow. It's quite entertaining to watch from afar. -- Riffsyphon1024 10:08, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * But what role does Wookieepedia want to take? Do we want to become advertisers for each and every startup Star Wars message board that wants to gain traffic, or do we want to only list sites that are already notable?  While this site may become popular in time, it's not there yet... not by a long shot. --Rudy 04:55, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I personally feel we should stay out of any conflicts like this. Endorsing the actions of this group may make us as an encyclopedia look bad. No matter how much all of us here hate Suttle (I know I don't care too much for him), we should try and remain neutral and not partake in attacking him personally. As for this article, if we choose to keep it, it should be majorly rewritten to conform to NPOV and the Manual of Style.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 20:46, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. jSarek 21:43, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it should stay here, but definitely be re-written. Ther are other websites showing the falsehood of SS but this is the only forum out there that is completely dedicated to it. cmontheplane 23:37, 4 June 2006
 * We record notability. It's not our job to create it. The intention of bringing down SS is good, but the subject is outside our mission. Get rid of it. Havac 21:17, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * "Shadowscourge has as much of a right to have an article about their site on here as the people who created the Mickey Suttle/SuperShadow article." -- Here, I disagree. Micky Suttle is notorious among members the SW community, and as such deserves his article here. To not recognize SuperShadow and his impact on SW culture on a SW encyclopedia would be a bias on our part, regardless of the fact that we all hate his guts.
 * Mickey Suttle is just watching in delight as his fame grows. But besides the fact that this is an anti-shadow site, we must remember that it relates to Star Wars in general, and people have some misunderstood the site's purposes. It should also be on to help people understand that they haven't done what they're accused of (such as hacking SS' original myspace profile). After all, if SuperShadow has an article, why not his enemies?ShinGarudaS 04:43, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Many of these 'Keep' votes seem suspicious. A quarter of them were cast by users that have only made one or two edits in total. Jaxon1680 tried to vote twice! Can we check out the IP addresses for these accounts to make sure that they are not sockpuppets?--Sentry [ Talk ] 05:22, 13 June 2006 (UTC)