Talk:Darth Maul/Legends

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Visionaries
Should the spin off story in Star Wars:Visionaries ("Old Wounds") be considered for note in this article, even though it may not be canon? -- Riffsyphon1024 05:25, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Yep. Both it and the clone Maul that fought Vader in Star Wars Tales should be added in "Behind the Scenes" QuentinGeorge 05:33, 11 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I agree not only could Darth Maul have been cloned by his master Palpatine, but I believe that for a force user few things are impossible. Maul was obviously a great wielder of telekinetics and therefore could have found a means to suspend himself long enough for his droids to rescue him if need be. Also as for his wounds the cauterizing affect of a light saber would have saved him from bleeding to death, and he could have used the force to suspend his biological failures long enough to be transported to safety (as Luke did in one of those books that took place after The Battle of Endor..I forgot which one, he was trying to survive the vacuum of space in a damaged star ship). I don't think maul would have returned to Sidious after failure again but it is known that was very adept at mechanical engineering. So he would have done this for himself. Perhaps he returned to his homeworld and sought medical attention. I am partial to this idea of Maul tracking Luke on tatooine because it adds depth to the story of Obi Wan's exile as protector of Luke Skywalker. Why he would attack Luke instead of "Ben" Kenobi is beyond me unless he had the insight to see that Luke would either become Kenobi's apprentice" or servant of Sidious and Vader all of whom Maul would have sufficient reason to fear and loathe. Even if Maul renounced the ways of the Sith he would probably hate these people..but he could have only himself to blame really. I've seen glimpses of the aforementioned art novel in the bookstores but have yet to read it fully, maybe I will soon. Oh yeh does anybody else notice how Darth Maul was cheated?! in the movie his light saber is inexploicably deactivated as Kenobi leaps out of the pit. kenobi could have done this I suppose but, its almost too convienient say so. Watch the scene closely.

Darth Maul comic disagrees with this paragraph:
''Darth Maul was also a skilled mechanical designer. He created a custom-designed spacecraft for his personal use, as well as a unique speeder bike and the "Dark Eye" probe droids.''

In the Darth Maul comic, Sidious gives all the above mentioned items to Maul as a gift. May I ask what was your source? Azizlight 12:21, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * It's probably fanon. Was the editor an anonymous user? --Imp 12:30, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * He definately didn't design his spacecraft. Raith Sienar did, and Rogue Planet says just that. QuentinGeorge 12:31, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I thought so. I think I remember reading somewhere that Maul did build his own dueling droids (the ones he practiced against), and rebuilt them every time he dueled (and destroyed) them. If anyone can verify this, maybe we could replace the offending fanon paragraph with this information. Azizlight 13:55, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * According to the New Essential Guide to Characters, Maul had mastered Mechu-deru, a Force based mechanized skill. It is how he built C-3PX. User:SFH
 * Somewhere in  Shandow Hunter i thought it said he designed Bloodfin, his speeder, but Raith Seinar deffinately designed/bruilt Scimatar, maul's ship. Cause thats the design the Jedi Intercepters/TIE-fighters used. Yoda1300 23:35, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)

CIS

 * Should Darth Maul be under CIS characters because he fought with the Trade Federation? i noticed other TF members who died in TPM were under the CIS catagory Sep. 1 2005
 * He was never affiliated with them. Note Darth Sidious is not under them either. Dooku is because he was official CoS of the CIS.QuentinGeorge 06:05, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * PS, the other TPM TF members are under that category because the category is defined as "Members of the CIS or any of its member organisations. QuentinGeorge 06:05, 2 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Visionaries
[Edit] never mind

Darth Maul's Real Name
Darth Maul's Real name has never been said. The name that is in this page is what super shadow made. i think that part should be erased. Dylankidwell 23:09, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC) Do you have proof? like the novels name??--Dil 00:09, 6 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Wait, what about the year he was born, since it says he was born on 54 BBY. If it's SuperStupid's crap, then it should be deleted. If it's not, I'd like to know the source. Gwai Lo 21:09, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * The year was official, the name isn't - but it doesn't come from SuperShadow. Read Khameir Sarin. QuentinGeorge 22:45, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I think it should stay on. It is in a novel.(Prince Xizor 03:44, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC))
 * It's *alledgedly* in a novel. No one has yet been able to satisfactorally cite the reference for us. jSarek 06:20, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * The name has Khameir Sarin is canon. Its not SuperShadow material. Jasca Ducato 20:40, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Its in the TPM novelization Jasca Ducato 20:02, 22 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Could you give us the page number and mention which edition it's in? The only reports I've heard say Khameir Sarin was in some foreign-language editions, but not in any English printings.  &mdash; Silly Dan  20:06, 22 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Tales images
Azizlight, should the Tales images be incorporated into the article proper regardless of Tales' non-canon status? --SparqMan 08:19, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC) Problem solved then. Thanks for clearing that up. --SparqMan 18:37, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * These pics are from the "all-canon" issues of Tales. QuentinGeorge 08:41, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Resurrection...
Should we or could I add the clone resurrection stories of maul
 * No, because they are not canon. --SparqMan 02:15, 26 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't know. I saw that entire section and it seemed to put in alot of typing and it was well put together. All it really needs is a non-canon tag. Redemption
 * Length and quality aside, the whole thing needs to be moved either to a subsection of "Behind the scenes" or into a separate article with the tag.  &mdash; Silly Dan  02:27, 26 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I thought resurrection tales story was canon now? razzy1319
 * What ever gave you that idea? MarcK 02:38, 26 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * a credible guy over at TFN Lit boards... razzy1319
 * No such thing! LOL. Seriously, don't trust any non-canon source, no matter how "credible". I've moved it all to behind the scenes, but I think its a little to indepth. QuentinGeorge 07:17, 26 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * And another thing &mdash; that section of the article is a bit too speculative for my tastes. How do we know, even if we pretended all three resurrected Maul stories were canonical, that the three incidents were perpetrated by the same group? I'm going to have a go at condensing it and removing some of the more speculative stuff.  &mdash; Silly Dan  01:59, 27 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, so I removed the implication that the Prophets of the Dark Side were behind Maul's first two resurrections, and made the origins of the three resurrections a little bit vaguer (clones, necromancy, Maul surviving apparent death through sheer ornriness?) I only have the "Resurrection" story, and skimmed the "Old Wounds" story once, so the descriptions of the first and third resurrections like as not miss some important details.   &mdash; Silly Dan  02:52, 27 Oct 2005 (UTC)

A new twist. The implication of his answer in the comments section is that Resurrection has been included in the Holocron (although he does mention that it's vague on what exactly form Maul is, and that it may not really be Maul). Should we move that story to the main section then, with the proviso that it "appeared to be Maul" or "took the form of Maul"? - Lord Hydronium 03:10, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Image for your consideration
I feel that this article could benefit from a picture of Maul fighting either Qui-Gon or Obi-Wan. I suggest this:

Thoughts?


 * Good Picture, put it in. Yoda1300 23:46, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Age
What sources states he was born 54 BBY? Lieutenant Gerard 22:54, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I dunno. I thought he was confirmed as being 25 in TPM, same as Obi-Wan? He should be born in 57 BBY - Kwenn
 * 54 BBY is the date in the holocron. 58.105.93.140 23:26, 30 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Main Image
Bad? Good? Redemption 02:38, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Ohh, scary. I like it. -- SFH 02:39, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Might not a closeup of his face work even better for the profile pic? Like the following
 * What about it? QuentinGeorge 02:40, 5 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I think profiles give the Wiki a more encyclopedic view than the full body shots. I'd go with that one (sized down I hope)Cull Tremayne 02:48, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * And the head one is a little too scary looking for my tastes. -- SFH 02:57, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Scary? He hasn't been to the dentist for a while, that's for sure. QuentinGeorge 03:01, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Quote
Are there no apt quotes about Maul for the lead-in quote? That seems to be our precedent. Complicated, I suppose, by the fact few people knew he existed, but there must be some. Even Qui-Gon's ''He was well trained in the Jedi arts. My only concl-and so on'' would work, wouldn't it? --Fade 21:27, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

darth maul and human supremacist speciesism
it's repeatedly stated that the empire taught and practiced human supremacist speciesism. the empire was founded by the sith order. the logical conclusion is that human supremacist speciesism is part of the sith ideology. but darth maul was both a sith and a non-human. i also mentioned this on the human high culture talk page. i'm very confused about this. Gringo300 04:05, 24 February 2006 (UTC)