Talk:Separatist Droid Army/Legends

QUINTILLIONS? Who said that? That seems like a bit too much, considering both they are supposed to be countered by LESS, probably MUCH LESS than a BILLION CLONE TROOPERS, and room to build and store them. How many systems joined the Seps? And how many had droid factories or garrisons? An explanation is needed here. :) -Aiddat 02:11, 13 May 2006 (UTC) The greedy Commerce Guild had its fingers in millions of mining operations across the galaxy, and constantly hungered for new mineral strikes.
 * Actually, if the whole clones vs. droids thing is the issue, the size of the droid army doesn't mean it's going to win a war. It could very well have been a droid army made up of quintillions of battle droids versus a clone army made up of billions of clone troopers. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 02:14, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter if the droid army numbered a zillion villion droids; it would have still lost, as Sidious controlled the war, and Sidious wanted it to lose. Unit 8311 10:03, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah. However, let's say Dooku betrayed Palpatine on Invisible Hand. Then the Droid Army might have had a chance. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:40, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Does that "Eh?" still apply, or did you get it? I'd be happy to explain it as best as possible. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:42, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I understand the Republic was mostly more powerful, but room is also probably an issue. I guess they can be compacted, and don't need food, and can be shoved off to a system's equivalent to Mars. But still. &mdash; Aiddat (Holonet) (Contribs Log) [[Image:NewRepublic.png|20px]] 22:12, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's one of many interesting quotes, this time from the New Essential Guide to Droids:
 * That's one of the smaller companies that are part of the CIS. And the different groups were busy churning out battledroids for decades prior to the CW.
 * Here's something else from the book:

''Prior to the rise of the Empire, the Techno Union was the galaxy's greatest conglomeration of high-tech manufacturers, with members including Baktoid Combat Automata. Headed by foreman Wat Tambor, the Techno Union controlled dozens of "mechworlds," from Foundary to Metalorn, that were dominated by smoke, fire, and machinery.''
 * "Mechworlds" are planets completely covered with factories, and the one seen on Geonosis (one of many on the planet) was a relatively slow and outdated building, on a galactic scale. Still managed 1 droid per second per line. Imagine then, millions upon millions of factories on just one of these worlds, going steady for 15 years or so. There are simply too many quotes from too many books that shows how big the CW really were. There's even several that outright contradicts 3 million clones (Inside the Worlds of AOTC, which came before the 3 mill article, and Complete Locations, which came out after that article).
 * It's just an embarassment that LFL would allow a fictional galaxy to flourish with millions of worlds confirmed as inhabitated, millions more as pure resource-worlds, and wars spanning the galaxy, and then claim one side had less troops than any one of the sides involved in one of our own World Wars.
 * I only hope they stop refering to it (even some authors mentioned millions of clones in total, only to ignore/contradict it in the same books, others simply didn't refer to a number, at all), if not from a historical perspective (RL as well as in-universe) but from a story-telling and company POV. They want more CW stories and preserve continuity at the same time? Well, then they need to loosen their demands for clone-limits. Can't have your cake and eat it, too. VT-16 23:17, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, my question is very stupid, but wat does "quintillion" mean? Im from the German SW-wiki and I'm writing an article about the army of the CIS at the moment. In American-English "quintillion" mean's 1.000.000.000.000.000.000.000 in British-English 1.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000.000, I think, but was is meant here? --89.54.141.171 18:31, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it's probably best to just say "quintillion", even if the meaning is different. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:28, 26 December 2006 (UTC)

(Perplexed-4E-Turnitee) (Perplexed-4E-Turnitee)
 * Just a quick question: if the CIS military was at least two quintillion strong would that not make it 20 times the size of the galactic population?
 * Has an exact galactic population figure ever been released? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 13:52, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, TheForce.net declares the Star Wars Roleplaying Game Second Edition to have set the figure at 100 quadrillion.
 * The Roleplaying Game isn't exactly a good canon source. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 17:37, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Quite right. It is not canon. But nor is the rest of the Expanded Universe for that matter. It is just the opinions of authors which happened to get published. See where that leads? I'll settle for if it is in the EU, then I'll give it a fair hearing.
 * The EU is canon, and so is the RPG. Jack didn't say it wasn't canon, just that it is naturally more concerned with game mechanics, and so its information can be superceded by other material - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 19:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I disagree. "Canon" is only that which appears in the films. Canon cannot be contradicted while EU can (and has been).

Move?
Now that we have Trade Federation Droid Army (which was separate, so don't merge it here), should this be moved to Separatist Droid Army? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 12:26, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. Droid Army could become a disambig, or an overview. We could also mention HK-01 and HK-47's armies, though I don't think they're formal enough to warrant separate articles - Kwenn 12:30, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, we could always have HK-01's droid army and HK-47's droid army. But I agree that this should become a disambig after the move. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:32, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, the article's moved. Now we need to make Droid Army a disambig. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:02, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

What about CIS forces that werent Droids...?

There was at least some organic CIS forces.. such as those on Jabim etc... C'mon guys this article has enough proof. There's proof in movies and books. Get realBobafettH23 01:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC) What is my problem, my problem is the label on the article I belive that it should be taken off. If you have any more sources or facts for this article please put them on, thanks.BobafettH23 20:59, 25 July 2006 (UTC) I agree with all of you, but where can we find these sources,you think they would be easy to find considering the droid army is in most of the prequel movies. I will look for some more sources if I find them I will post them.BobafettH23 00:23, 26 July 2006 (UTC) Well all we can do is try to find them. Do the movies count as sources?BobafettH23 01:10, 26 July 2006 (UTC) Well all we can do is look for more sources. If you come across some just post it,that's all we can do.BobafettH23 17:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC) I know it does sound kind of stupid, my bad(LOL)BobafettH23 21:58, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * They have their articles. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:11, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * What, may I ask, is your problem? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * In case you haven't noticed, there are more than just two sources, and they all need to be accounted for. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:52, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * the tag stays, theres lot more work to be done to the sources, its a wide subject. Jedi Dude 21:55, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Correct. Having just two sources when there are many isn't a good idea. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:58, 25 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, we know for sure that there's not just two sources for the CIS Droid Army. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:44, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No. And neither does anything already in the "Appearances" section. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:21, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Obviously. That's what we're supposed to do - Kwenn 18:01, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No offense, but that made me laugh. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:38, 26 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:30, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Rewrite
Per the sticker at the top, I rewrote and cleaned up the article, including in it much infromation from the NEGtD and other post ROTS sources. I didn't now add much to the list of droids at the bottom however, or add any sources. By that point it was getting a bit tedious. I do note that the font appears differnet though, and I'm not sure how to fix that. Thoughts? Lowkey 19:15, 30 July 2006 (UTC) As of now Iam agreeing with Nebulax it should be left alone. So let's not start an edit warBobafettH23 22:31, 31 July 2006 (UTC) No problem dude.BobafettH23 22:36, 31 July 2006 (UTC) Well, you never know, but your right all the way.BobafettH23 23:18, 31 July 2006 (UTC) Well that's good that there is no edit war. Iam glad you changed the text.BobafettH23 00:57, 1 August 2006 (UTC) Nebulax had a better version then Lowkey. Lowkeys is not better, Nebulax had a better article and it should be kept on, so Quentin stop acting like an idiot.BobafettH23 12:18, 1 August 2006 (UTC) Well that's good that there will be a better article than Lowkeys...ThanksBobafettH23 13:15, 1 August 2006 (UTC) good, thanksBobafettH23 15:38, 1 August 2006 (UTC) It's a talk page if I want a say in the matter that is being debated I will post it on the talk page, so mind yourself JediDudeBobafettH23 01:02, 2 August 2006 (UTC) I don't think it is pointlessBobafettH23 01:06, 2 August 2006 (UTC) But since Iam a reasonable guy, I will stay off this talk page unless I have somthing VERY important to say, but thanks for telling me what I was saying was pointless.BobafettH23 01:12, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * There's only one font. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:48, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I rather pointedly disagree with your edits - you basically reverted it to what was originally deemed insufficent and only kept the new bits of the aftermath. If the point was to redo the article, why revert it back to what was originally there? Your choice removes a quantity of information that comes form newer sources such as the NEGtD and other unused onses such as the Secrets of Naboo in favor of the old version that you largely wrote.  I suggest you compare what I wrote to the counterpart article Grand Army of the Republic - my choice in writing about its history, role in the clone wars, aftermath, and order of battle make the two match.  How is it that the information would be relevent on one article, yet contain things that don't really talk about the subject in the other?  Further, I completely fail to see how it looks better in your eyes.  It is now very clearly a series of edits.  Its discourse is choppy, with grammar that can at best be called interesting, and generally flows as smoothly as a waterfall.  Lowkey 21:42, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Your version was horrible. I was about ready to add a cleanup tag to it because it was so bad. I made it much better. Now it's actually good enough to be called an article. You had unneccissary information on the Grievous vs. Durge and Asajj duel and the biological agents that the CIS created. I removed that and integrated what could be salvaged from your edits into the current text. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:50, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * This version is in far more need of cleanup then my rewrite, it reads as though written by a schizophrenic. I deleted no information from the original in my version except the part about Outbound flight because that happened before the Confederacy was created.  Thus there was nothing to be integrated.  Other then that everything I included was relevent.  One would not talk about the history United States navy in WW2 without discussing the creation of the Fleet Admiral rank, nor would one refuse to discuss the use of the atom bomb.  Your objections that I deleted relevent information is patently false, and your objection to what I included is very curious, as the article was on a list to have more information added to it.  I get the distinct impression that your objections stem more from the fact that it was wholly rewritten and your contributions now reworded and shuffled around, then about what it contained. Lowkey 03:23, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Your "rewrite" needed far more cleanup than this one might need. You're just angry that I changed the portions of the article that you worked on. My version might need to be expanded a bit, but at least mine looks good and flows well. Now everything is in the proper place. And in case you haven't noticed, stuff from your version is still in the article. You should be thanking me for cleaning it up, not yelling at me for making it look more like the version that had the doom tag. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:13, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you, BobafettH23. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:35, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, I doubt it would have become an edit war. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:39, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I know Lowkey wouldn't start an edit war just because I changed the text. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:15, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * After examining both versions, I have reverted to Lowkey's one which, at the very least, is better structured and more complete. Jack Nebulax, please do not revert this again. Reversion is usually only to be done in the case of nonsense or obvious fanon edits. It is incredibly bad form to revert someone's changes because you personally do not like them. What you should do is bring up specific objections on the talk page, and then resolve them, rather than simpling reverting someone's entire work. Your "my way or the highway" arrogance reflects poorly on you. QuentinGeorge 06:16, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I take some issue with Lowkey's somewhat bombastic writing, maybe I can tighten it up somewhat, but there's not much to object to beside that. It's definitely more comprehensive now. :) VT-16 09:58, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * If my version is not complete, expand it then, because Lowkey's version is not good at all. This is not because "I personally do not like them"; this is because I tried to make it look better. Some of the stuff in Lowkey's version is unneccissary about the Droid Army. Quentin, for God's sake, how is Lowkey's version better? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:06, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * As of now, I am working on another cleanup, this time, trying to combine both versions as best as possible. And let me note that I did not revert Lowkey's version. Compare the version with the doom tag to my version of it. Notice that I did not revert it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:08, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's going to be based off Lowkey's so we don't have an edit war. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:21, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:36, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * This BobaFett doesn't actually contribute to anything with his criticism, what does he have to say other than "I don't like Lowkey"? VT-16 16:12, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * i was about to say that, unless you have a point BobdaFett other than you like Jack and not Lowkey please refrain from filling up a talk page with your negative views of other users. Now constructive criticism, i think some of the pieces in Lowkey's version were perhaps not needed so a revert proberly was needed, lets just hope the remake will please everyone Jedi Dude 16:18, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * So far, so good. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 18:06, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Not if what you say is pointless, though. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:03, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The discussion's been over, though. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:58, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

Command Structure
I noticed that although this article clearly lists all droids and vehicles used in the Droid Army, it doesn't mention anything about how it's all organised. I mean, I find it highly unlikely that they were a completely leaderless mob, there obviously has to be some leadership infrastructure. Does anybody know what it is, or where I might find out? 81.158.171.90 12:28, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * There leader was Grievous. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:44, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

If there are quintillions of battle droids and millions of clone troopers, then there are trillions of droids per trooper. But you know, the clone's "creativity" can get them out of that mess. Unless this is the cartoon miniseries where one Jedi can destroy an army of droids with a Force push, there is no way the Republic could have held out for three years, much less been winning the war. I mean, wouldn't there be more vehicles and starships for the Confeds than troops for the Republic than? Well Jack, I don't really agree with that statement. Iam sure that the republic did fine in the war, but with Palpatine controlling the Senate, and most of the CIS, he could have easily been controlling both sides to make the war benifit himself. BobafettH23 20:41, 13 November 2006 (UTC) Not that I recall, but I estimate it in the very very very high millions or low billions.BobafettH23 20:53, 13 November 2006 (UTC) Yeah Jack, your calculations are probably better. Thanks. BobafettH23 22:11, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * First: Don't post at the top of the talk page: Second: The Republic obviously managed to hold their ground throughout the war. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:44, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Was it ever said how many were shut down at the end of the war? -- Riffsyphon1024 20:49, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say more like mid-millions. Taking Clone Wars into consideration, one Jedi could defeat a lot of battle droids. Of course, Clone Wars has gone against canon, but I figure I'd post that here. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:55, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It wasn't even calculations. I guessed. ;) Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:13, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

(LOL) :) BobafettH23 22:19, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * VT-16 does calculating. Jack Nebulax does guessing. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:20, 13 November 2006 (UTC)

Awsome! BobafettH23 22:35, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, especially if someone else agrees with my guesswork. ;) Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

I have a question. if you have seen Hasbros plans to release that battle droid and the super battle droid in army colors. Was this droid ever in the movies?--
 * Nope--Rune Haako 20:24, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks:)--
 * My friend claims he saw a camo B1 on Kashyyyk in RotS, but there isn't one. I personally checked this morning. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:05, 17 November 2006 (UTC)