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Anakin Being Vader
Maybe we could shorten the "Showdown on Mustafar and aftermath" and "The redemption of Anakin Skywalker" section and add a line with something like "Main Article: Darth Vader" like that... agree? - Chrisyu357 Actually, if it is consensus that Anakin nd DV are different people, we shouldn't have the showdown on Mustafar in this article. Sorry if this has been discussed before, but he became Darth Vader on Coruscant.
 * No. It is fine now. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:20, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
 * For the love of God, when will this Jibers give up? Admiral J. Nebulax 21:47, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * No, because Skywalker became Darth Vader right after the Duel in the Chancellor's Office. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:36, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Bring Balance to the force? Which side?
It said Anakin would bring Balance to the "Force". It never said bring Balance to the "Light Side of the Force". What if Vader kill or converded Luke in ROTJ, the anakin could have brought Balance to the Dark Side of the Force. Am i right? Double D 21:06, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Balance to the Force meant an equal number on both sides. It's wierd, because that doesn't happen. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:09, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

So...when it was just Palpatine, Vader, Luke and Yoda alive, that was Balance? So... Vader brought the force out of Balance? Double D 21:18, 24 March 2006 (UTC)


 * No, more Jedi were still alive as of the Galactic Civil War, which is why I said that there never really was balance. It's confusing, I guess. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:27, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The darkside is the imbalance in the force. the sith bring unbalance to the force. when they were destroyed, balance was brought to the force.
 * No, that's not true. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 22:45, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Wait, What? So, the Sith bring unbalance. If the Force was out of Balance, why did the Jedi think the Sith were exstinked? Double D 01:35, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No, the Sith don't bring unbalance. "Balance" means equal parts on both sides. You can't have a thousand Jedi and two Sith. That's not balance, nor is zero Sith and a handleful of Jedi. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 02:09, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

If the Jedi are so worried about balance, why doesn't Luke, Leia and all the other Jedi of the New Republic just comment Suicide? (I know this is a stupid question) Double D 02:37, 25 March 2006 (UTC) This is Lucas's words, and thus are canon, regardless of what you think balance means or what it's definition. Calm down, emotional outbursts at an imaginary universe is a sign of immaturity
 * HAHAHAHAHA...Much to learn you still have. George Lucas has compared the light and dark sides of the Force to the processes of symbiosis and cancer. Lucas has stated also that Anakin fufills the prophecy when he destroys both himself as Vader and Palpatine. With the Sith gone, balance was brought to the force. you line of thinking is wrong, this is why you can't know the truth. Another example of cognitive dissonance.
 * Well, my definition is the definition of balance... And shut up, anon. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 13:09, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No, but laughing and acting like an asshole is a sign of immaturity. I know that Lucas's words are canon, but I don't mock someone when they get it wrong, especially if they happen to use the actual definition of "balance", whether or not Lucas intended it to be like that. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:28, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * "To bring balance to the Force" means "to destroy the Sith". Lucas said that. - Sikon [ Talk ] 13:11, 28 March 2006 (UTC)

Plus, the Jedi make such a big deal about bring balance. I don't think George Lucas would stop making more Star Wars Movie if balance to the Force never came in ROTJ. Double D 02:37, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

But with Palpatine's and Vader's death balance was not brought, there were still dozens of Sith out there (perhapse not full fledged Sith but powerful dark side useres noetheless) ie: Mara Jade and Jerec, dont underestimate either of them. Then my other question is why must the Force be embodiesd by a being to count, there are dozens of planets and artifacts that are strong in either the dark or light sides of the Force adn can use their power at will, ie: Znoma Secot (or however u spell it) then Vijun, Degobah (Yoda's dark side tree, adn the cave) why must teh dark side be embodied by a moving human or aliean to be considered a threat. These places can still corrupt and destory just as much as any Sith Lord ever has.

~DarthVaderwillriseagain
 * First of all: Learn how to spell. Second of all, the Rule of Two made Vader and Palpatine the only Sith. The rest were Dark Jedi. Third of all, many things were embodied by the sides of the Force, but only a living being can use the Force. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:01, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Regardless of what Lucas has said, I agree with you Jack.--DannyBoy7783 21:21, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:49, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe balance was brought when the Great Jedi Purge was almost over, at 0 BBY, when Obi-Wan Kenobi, along with almost every Jedi in the Galaxy, was killed. Then balance was brought when only the Jedi Grand Master Yoda and the Dark Lord of the Sith Palpatine, the Jedi Padawan Luke and the Sith Apprentice Vader, remained.
 * Uh, I'm pretty sure that there were a lot more... Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I've always thought that by fathering Luke and Leia that the force would come into balance . So, not Anakin himself but through Anakin was the force brought into balance .TK867 06:57, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:16, 23 May 2006 (UTC)


 * George Lucas has explicitly stated how balance was brought to the force. He said that when Anakin Skywalker ceased to be a Sith Lord and returned to the light, and then destroyed the Emperor, balance was brought to the force. The key here is that the only two Sith Lords, Darth Vader and Darth Sidious, were destroyed, and Anakin had fulfilled the prophecy by doing so. It is to be noted that his explanation is not just canon, it is considered by LFL to be "G-level" canon, which is the highest level, and only "G-level" sources are the movies, the novelizations of the movies, the radio dramas of the movies, comics of the movies, and anything that comes directly from George Lucas, including unpublished notes. It is also their policy that no other source can contradict "G-level canon", and in case such a contradiction happens, the higher level source overrides it.


 * He has also explained how balance is shifted/destroyed. The balance of the force shifts when the dark side of the force grows stronger, and this was caused by the rise of the Sith - specifically Darth Sidious/Emperor Palpatine. He specifically said the balance was destroyed when Anakin, the chosen one, joined the Emperor to be a Sith Lord instead of destroying him. He also stated that Anakin brought balance back to the force by destroying the Sith, and the Sith then were no more. This means anyone else who claimed to be a Sith Lord, is not in fact a true Sith. This does not mean no one can create a new Sith Order, only that the true Sith, the real threat, are extinct. Thus Lumiya could very well create a new Sith Order and call herself and her apprentices to be Sith Lords, because in-universe, there is no one to dispute that claim.


 * Unfortunately, most of the authors of the novels do not know these facts. From their statements, it seems like they have very little contact with George Lucas, and in some cases, they even get events from the movies themselves wrong. I do not wish to name any, but a few particular authors have openly stated that they do not like the idea of the midichlorians themselves, and even how Anakin Skywalker is the chosen one. Such situations have contributed greatly to creating situations in the EU which seemingly contradicts what is shown in the movies, and it is to be expected. That is why LFL follows a strict policy of canon, with George Lucas and the movies as the ultimate level, which overrides any contradictions that occur.

Of course, all that only matter if you follow what is canon in Star Wars and what is not. Fans have the right to include/exclude interpret anything as they fit, and there is no rule stating that everyone should follow LFL's canon policy or see Star Wars the way George Lucas meant it to be. It is an important factor because such levels and rules make certain that the EU remain as close to the movies, and therefore, "canon", instead of becoming a replica of the "Infinities" series. This allows the fans to follow storylines and events that could be considered "official", for entertainment as well as reference.
 * "This means anyone else who claimed to be a Sith Lord, is not in fact a true Sith. This does not mean no one can create a new Sith Order, only that the true Sith, the real threat, are extinct". Nope. Even if there were no Sith left, some Dark Jedi could have found a Sith holocron and could have been taught from the teachings in the holocron. So, no matter what someone says, the Sith cannot truly ever be gone for good. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:29, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * He brought balance to both sides. His actions kill most of the jedi and the remaining ones he also kills besides yoda and obi-wan. The dark side has the normal rule of 2 sith so the sides are even. Then he destroys the sith by killing palpatine and his actions also killed himself --Dumac 22:34, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No, that is not balance. There were more that two Jedi left. Balance in this case is different. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:41, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Acid Pit
Itsn't it stated somewhere in a book or something that Obi-Wan said he dueled Darth Vadar and somehow got him into an acid pit which is why he wears the Vadar Mask? I remember hearing this a couple of times on my old forum but it's still unclear to me.
 * No. There's no acid pit involved in the duel. Anakin needs the mask because he was practically burned to a crisp all over. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 16:43, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I read that it was a "melting pit". (I read the more than three years ago). Now I know it was no pit. it was the lava river banks rising and fire buring Anakin. Double D 19:19, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, long before RotS, it was said that Anakin fell into a volcano, but I don't remember reading about an acid pit. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:18, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Kanye West
Anakin was referenced in the Kanye West song 'Gone' in the following lines:

But if they ever flip sides like Anakin, You'll sell everything includin the mannequin, They got a new bitch now you Jennifer Aniston, Hold on I'll handle it, don't start panickin, stay calm

Is this suitable for the article?--  Doo Doo  talk 08:11, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, Anakin's been mentioned in a lot of songs, I believe, so maybe we could include a list of them in the Behind the scenes section. But let's see what others think first. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:40, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Commander?

 * I don't know if this is the right place to bring this up (I couldn't figure out how to start a new subject) but it says in Anakin's clone war secion that he was a commander. I was under the impression that that was Luke in the Galactic Civil war, and that the Jedi in the clone wars were all Generals. Can some one change this? Oh, and does anyone know if Anakin was ever on Rhen Var in the clone wars? If so, when? -lord_vader1414
 * Padawans served as Commanders in the Clone Wars; Knights and Masters were Jedi Generals. When Anakin became a Knight, he became a General. And yes, he was on Rhen Var at least twice. That is shown in Star Wars: The Clone Wars. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:42, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright, thanks Admiral. Oh, and when can you play as Yoda in Star Wars: The Clone Wars? My system lets me play as the clone trooper Bravo 4 (with codes) but I havent found one for Yoda. Could you tell me what the code is if you have it (I have a gamecube)? Thanks again. -lord_vader1414
 * Well, it should be here on this site on the article. I have it for PS2, but I haven't played it in a while. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 02:00, 14 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright. Oh, hey, I just finished reading Yoda: Dark Rendezvous and Anakin makes an apperance in there, but it's not listed on his page. Do you want to edit this? I'd do it myself, but I don't want to mess something up. Thanks. -lord_vader1414
 * Sure. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:20, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * He is made a Commander in the Clone Wars animated series. Palpatine pushs the Jedi into giving Anakin command. - Finlayson 15:50, 24 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, Palpatine makes Anakin commander of Kenobi's space forces, as in commanding the starfighters. Anakin probably received the actual rank of Commander when all the other Padawans did. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 18:10, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

"Master Kenobi, who's this Chosen One that everyone keeps talking about?"
I notice, the Jedi never call Anakin the Chosen One or say the words "Chosen One" when Anakin is around. In TPM, did they tell Anakin he's the Chosen One? Does he know he's the Chosen One, or did he not find that out until on Mustafar when Obi-Wan yelled out "You were the Chosen One!" ? Double D 22:29, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think he knew he was the Chosen One for a while. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:57, 15 May 2006 (UTC)

At which point did he find out? Double D 19:22, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * He probably knew before AotC, but I don't know when exactly. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:39, 16 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Qui-Gon Jinn (in front of Anakin) "He IS the Chosen One, you must see it!"
 * I think Anakin had some idea. (Ulicus 16:04, 19 May 2006 (UTC))

Oh yeah, now I remember. Qui-Gon revealed it in front of Anakin in the council chamber, before they left for Naboo. Double D 04:11, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Even if he wasn't paying attention, I'm sure he knew. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:05, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Even if no one told him he probably would have caught on because he was a very strong jedi despite only being a padawan. He was able to beat Count Dooku which even Yoda wasn't able to do. --67.87.81.98 22:40, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

"Afraid of the Dark"
Should the Dooku quote: "Aren't you a little old to be afraid of the dark?" really be in the article when it contradicts G-Level canon? Whilst I prefered the book to the film, the film is what "actually happened", and since Dooku didn't say "Aren't you a little old to be afraid of the dark" in the film, he didn't say it. I'm not that bothered, just pointing it out. (Ulicus 16:08, 19 May 2006 (UTC)) Gah... you... you *must* understand what I'm saying...
 * It can stay. There are many things that are only in the novelizations that are used throughout Wookieepedia. It's canon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:55, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm aware that there are many things from the novelizations used in Wookiepedia. I was also under the impression that such things only used when it didn't contradict something that was actually depicted in the films. That quote does. The films are the highest form of canon. I don't care if it stays or not, like I said - I'd much rather have the novelisations be the 'canon', since they're *better*. Even so, that quote is *not* canon, because Dooku never said it in the film. Scenes from the novel that didn't make it into the film can be considered canon, sure, unless there's something on screen that contradicts it - but when you come up with a situation where one thing happens in the book and another happens in the film, the film takes precedence. Are you about to suggest to me that in instances where a conversation differs from the film in the novel, that the 'novel conversation' can still be considered the 'canon conversation'? (Ulicus 19:46, 21 May 2006 (UTC))
 * That quote is canon, even though it wasn't said in the movie. Just because the novelization has something extra doesn't make it non-canon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:54, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

For example, say that there is a conversation in the novel that goes:

Mr A: Hello, how do you do, I'm Superman Mr B: Why, hello Superman, I'm Batman!

Now, in the film, when we get to the point where this conversation takes place, it goes like this instead:

Mr A: Greetings, how's it going? I'm Superman. Mr B: Lo Superman, I'm Batman!

Which is the 'canon' conversation? It can't be both, and since we're talking about a film series, then the film takes precedence. Now, if the scene with the conversation was cut entirely from the film, but still in the novel, and it still works in the context of the film- then and *only* then, would the first conversation be canon. It's like trying to tell me that Palpatine's seduction of Anakin in the novel is the 'canon' seduction, when he goes about it differently in the film.

I'm not even *asking* you to remove the quote. I'm simply saying that *technically* it shouldn't be there. And it shouldn't. It didn't happen. As it stands, I love the quote, and I prefer the novel, so whatever.(Ulicus 22:21, 22 May 2006 (UTC)) Yeah, that line is in the movie. Regardless, thinking of the "duels" as "highlights" makes a lot more sense. Since, you know - there's that really annoying bit in AotC where Anakin is standing above Obi-Wan one second, then Obi-Wan chucks him a second lightsaber and he's miles away... worst editing ever.(Ulicus 04:49, 27 May 2006 (UTC))
 * It should be there. Why? Because nothing in the movie contradicts it. So what if it wasn't in the movie? If the movie would have said "Aren't you too old to be afraid of the dark?", then the movie quote would be used. Therefore, whether or not it was in the movie, it did happen. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:03, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * "Nothing in the movie contradicts it"? No, aside from the fact that it didn't happen. The only dialog exchanges were the "My powers have doubled/twice the pride" and "I sense much fear in you skywalker, you have hate blah blah". Anakin and Dooku did *not* speak any other words to each other outside of that. NOW, had the film cut away from the lightsaber battle to something else, THEN you could argue that Dooku had said those words while off screen. Since it didn't and since we were treated to the lightsaber battle in full, then you cannot... *unless* you assume that we're not watching the duel in real time, but rather the "highlights", in which case you'd actually have a leg to stand on. Actually, I can go with that explanation. Consider me satisfied.(Ulicus 17:04, 23 May 2006 (UTC))
 * In a way, we are watching the highlights. If you've played the RotS videogame, you'll know that Dooku had another line prior to the start of the duel (there's a brief shot of him with sabre ignited in the film, quickly followed by Obi-Wan and Anakin attacking him. In the game, it lingers on the brief shot, and Dooku says "I've been looking forward to this.") That quote can be fitted in to the event, since we don't truly get a real-time view of all characters at all times - Kwenn 17:53, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That line was in the movie. Right as the fight was about to begin.  And then Anakin talks about his powers. Stinkywookie 18:00, 26 May 2006 (UTC)

The ani article
ani

could we either merge the 'ani' article (make an 'ani' section on anakin skywalker) or make the 'ani' article redirect to anakin skywalker?? it would be usefull because if you wanted anakin skywalker in a hurry they could just type in "ani" and they'd get that article

Brisky


 * I'd say make it a redirect. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:11, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Ya, because not very few people will want to know all about Anakin's nickname given to him by Shmi and Watto. More people will want the Anakin Skywalker article. So I think we should make it redirect. Unfortunatly, I don't know how, B.
 * Well, if it would be made a redirect, it's easy to do so. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:44, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Will you please do so?

Brisky
 * I'm just going to wait to make sure no one objects first. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:33, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

no problem

Brisky
 * If no one objects within the next day, I'll make it a redirect. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:56, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Grand so, thanks very much

Brisky
 * I'll make it a redirect now. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:17, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Thanks very much for that, wanna be email buddy's lol?
 * No thanks. ;) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:20, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Canonicity of Journal of the Whills quote.
Hi there. Please forgive my ignorance if this is an obvious one, but is it actually appropriate to head off this major article with that Journal of the Whills quote? I mean, is it even actually established that the Journal and this particular quote canonically exist in-universe? If it does and it's all kosher, then please ignore me; but from my understanding many aspects of the whole Whills business is still somewhat apocryphal (Qui-Gon's discovery notwithstanding), or at the very least that specific quotes such as this which derive (I'm pretty positive) from early drafts of A New Hope shouldn't be considered to have definite in-universe validity. Can anyone please help me out on this issue? PressPass
 * As far as the movies *alone* are concerned, then no, its not canon. The Whills are mentioned in the Revenge novelisation though, so they're around - though there's no mention of a journal. It is mentioned in the ANH novelisation however, and that's (I think) considered canon in all the instances that it doesn't actually contradict the film (or prequels) itself. I wouldn't worry about it, I'm pretty sure it'll pop up in the EU at some point - "Son of the Suns" quote and all. If you want to take it out, then I wouldn't mind - but I'm certain that someone would put it back in pretty fast. Doesn't bother me one way or the other.(Ulicus 17:15, 23 May 2006 (UTC))
 * *Side note* Whilst the Journal might be canon, the actual "Son of the Suns" quote from the journal appears in *no* canonical source... unless early ANH drafts *are* canon. I do think it's a little silly that it's written down on the Chosen One page as being the prophesy, since... well, whilst we know that the prophesy *evolved* in Lucas' mind out of the "Son of the Suns" idea, there's no proof that that was the actual prophesy in universe. Ah well. (Ulicus 17:33, 23 May 2006 (UTC))


 * The fact is, whether or not the Journal of the Whills is canonical, that quote is in the Prophecy of the Chosen One, which is canonical. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:43, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * If you would acctually LISTEN and READ, you'd find out that during the celebration in Ep. I someone shouts "The Son of Suns!!!" Just go watch the movies again. It's time we ALL go watch them again, it's summertime, we've got time on our hands, let's all go watch it so you can find out the truth. Lord vader1414 20:44, 23 May 2006 (UTC)]
 * However, that doesn't mean the quote itself is canon. It just shows that "Son of Suns" equals "Chosen One". Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:30, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Uh, have they *published* the prophesy of the Chosen One? No? Well, then saying that the "Son of the Suns" is 'what the prophesy says', is like saying that Han Solo is still an alien character. In an early script, sure, not necessarily any more. I agree that it's obviously the same concept though, so in that regard, it's good to have the quote to show people "Look, the idea of the 'Chosen One' was around even in 1977"(Ulicus 00:15, 24 May 2006 (UTC)) To your question, a question: Why can you see tie fighters chasing an x-wing in the 'speeder chase' scene in AotC, when they haven't been invented yet? "Son of the Suns" being shouted in the crowd makes me think "Easter Egg" not "the canon prophesy".(Ulicus 15:10, 26 May 2006 (UTC))
 * Whether you like it or not, the Son of the Suns is a part of the Prophecy of the Chosen One. It may not be published, but it's still canon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:56, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Whether I like it or not? I'm completely indifferent. But, if you're going to press the issue, then... well... where is the canon source? I don't think a lone voice in a crowd shouting "The Son of the Suns!" qualifies as hard evidence that that's what's written in down in the prophesy. As far as I'm aware, the prophesy itself has never been published for we non GFFAians to take a look at.(Ulicus 01:50, 25 May 2006 (UTC))
 * Well, someone wouldn't just scream "The Son of the Suns!" unless there was a point to it. That line refers to the Chosen One. Now, that person wouldn't have made it up. Due to that, it appears to have been published in-universe as a part of the prophecy. The prophecy didn't need to be published in real-life if we know that it's in-universe material from a movie, the highest form of canon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe THX-1138 is a real film in-universe then, since a number of people have said that. Just because someone may or may not have said&mdash;for we have no actual proof they say it&mdash;four words, doesn't immediately validate the Journal of the Whills. Besides, why would someone yell "Son of the Suns" on Naboo? The guy wouldn't even know who Anakin was, let alone he's the Chosen One or has anything to do with some obscure Jedi prophecy - Kwenn 11:30, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Even if someone yells that out (not wanting to fast-forward all the way through my VHS copy of Episode I, I'll take your word for it even though I don't remember it), that doesn't say anything about what it means, or its original context. What's canon is that someone yelled out "Son of the Suns," not that it's from a prophecy, not that it's from the Journal of the Whills, not that it's anything more than a jubilant exclamation from an excited celebrant. jSarek 11:38, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Isn't it in the ANH novelisation prologuse? QuentinGeorge 11:40, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * The prologue itself is "From the First Saga, Journal of the Whills". But there are a few discrepancies in that novel, and it's from the narrator's POV anyway, so it doesn't prove it's an IU document - Kwenn 11:42, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * My question is, why the hell would someone on Naboo yell out "The Son of the Suns!" unless he meant something by it? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:26, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yet the quote being a possible Easter Egg hasn't been established yet. The TIEs and X-wing has been established as an Easter Egg. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:20, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I've watched TPM more times than I care to admit and I have to say I have never heard someone yell Son of Suns. And I do find it kind of silly that someone would yell that out.  Its not like the prophecy would be galactic public knowledge. Stinkywookie 17:30, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Unless a Jedi happened to say it... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:42, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * hmmmm. I honestly think that if it was there to make a point and therefore not an easter egg it would be in the novelisation and it probably would have been referenced later on.  I would love for it to be canon but I just can't see it that way. Stinkywookie 18:04, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, User:Lord vader1414 had said something about reading it. I wonder what he meant by that. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:40, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * what i ment is that there are plenty of refences to it being canon. Has no one here heard of a search engine? Google, Yahoo, Ask.com, just to name a FEW! come on people! Just because YOU cant prove it's not canon, DOES NOT, i repeat DOES NOT mean that you are all powerful and can make people think whatever YOU want them to! IT'S CANON REGARDLESS OF WHAT YOU RETARDS SAY! PEOPLE LIKE YOU MAKE ME SICK! Lord vader1414 01:32, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Calm down. Calling people retards doesn't help solve anything. Plus, don't think the quote is canon because you search for it. I've switched sides on this one&mdash;there is no canonical in-universe proof of the quote. Out of universe, yes, but that doesn't make it canon in-universe. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 02:03, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that. I have to stop typing things when i get mad. Okay, let's see if we can settle this once and for all. Does anyone know how to directly or indirectly contact George Lucas? I'll ask him straight out what's up with this.Lord vader1414 16:06, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's a way to do so. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:54, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * alright. well, if anyones knows how, speak up now.Lord vader1414 06:14, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm telling you, I don't think there's a way. Otherwise, everything on Wookieepedia would be correct. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:13, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * good point. my bad! :) Lord vader1414 04:44, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it. In fact, Lucas should set up something like that. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:10, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That's not a bad idea. Now we DO need to find a way to contact him! LOL!Lord vader1414 23:45, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Now we're getting off of the subject, which I believe is resolved. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:08, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * sorry. just saying... Lord vader1414 17:58, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Obi-Wan and Anakin quote while on Mustafar - Link issue.
Okay, this is where to settle it. Not the article, not my talk page. Here. The issue is either adding in links to the quote or keeping it link-free. Let's here what everyone has to say. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 12:45, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No links, they're already linked. Jasca Ducato 18:14, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That's exactly what I said. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:58, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * While i agree it could make it clearer, its a movie quote and as such i don't believe that many Star Wars fans don't know it. So links don't need to be made. Jasca Ducato 20:00, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well said, Jasca Ducato. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:02, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

but now let's be fair not everybody has seen the movie right? there are people who only read the books or something and are yet intrested in for example: the after math on mustafar ( just to name one thing and thats what where talking about. ) i can make it clearer with a link. yes it is already linked above but people who don't know the movies etc etc. and they will read the line: You where the Chosen One!, they will perhaps think what the hell is a Chosen One? and they wont remember it is linked above possible so thats my point it is all for the clearence. - Galedze
 * as some one said it could make is clearer, yes i agree that if you have seen the movies it issent nessecary.
 * Chosen One is already linked at the top of the article anyway. They'd see it there first. Plus, if they wanted to know what it was, they could search for it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:32, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * read better that is what i am explaining if they don't "know" what to search for.
 * But they would see the "Search" box on the side. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:46, 28 May 2006 (UTC)


 * possible, but the thing is they perhaps wont understand what the characters mean with thier dialoge because not all have seen the movies.-Galedze
 * And why wouldn't they have? Jasca Ducato 18:50, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * This site doesn't give "special need" for those who haven't seen the movies. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:35, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * All they need to do is type in "Chosen One". The material is all there; if there is anyone who doesn't know to whom Obi-Wan is referring in one of the most famous scenes in the Saga, they need only check this very Wookieepedia, likely starting with this article, which should give enough of a hint as to the quote's context for anyone - Kwenn 20:38, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Once agaim, Galedze, I tell you, there is no need for the links. They won't be linked in that quote. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:40, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * as you wish then, but you know what i am refering to, not let it be.- Galedze
 * Wow, I didn't realize it took two other people saying basically the same thing I said to convince you, Galedze. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:44, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

i aint covinced :p but it is a simple vote 2 to 1 simple as that neither of us own the page so then there comes democracy :p - Galedze
 * Exactly. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 15:33, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

To Go With the "Son of the Suns" Quote in the Behind the Scenes section
Would anyone object to this pic being put beneath the "Son of the Suns" quote in the behind the scenes section? It seems to really *work* with it, despite only being one sun :P... and it gives Anakin that sort of "Mythic" feel that that section seems to be dealing with, what with its references to the Old Testament, and "An Akin" being translated as "Without Equal". (Ulicus 21:13, 10 June 2006 (UTC))
 * Where is that from? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:39, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * One of the Dark Horse comics... I forget which one.(Ulicus 00:29, 11 June 2006 (UTC))
 * Whatever, I've added it. If people think it looks too out of place then just remove it. I think it works well with the subject matter. (Ulicus 01:00, 11 June 2006 (UTC))
 * It's in a good spot, but I think the caption needed fixing. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 02:03, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Hehe, I thought you'd notice that. I only put the question mark at the end because there's still no confirmation that "the Son of the Suns" is actually the phrase used to refer to him in the/any prophesy. I don't mind the question mark being removed though.(Ulicus 22:01, 11 June 2006 (UTC))
 * Well, for that, I don't think it really matters, at least in the quote. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Endor and After
Minor questions: 1. Has the shuttle Luke stole been named? It seems like another Lamba in the ranks would be significant. 2. Was Vader's armor "cremated" with respect or burned to remove it from existence? What's the source on that? -Aiddat 22:32, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * 1) No. It appears like it could be Vader's or maybe even Palpatine's. 2) Cremated with respect seems correct, as Luke seemed to shed some tears. Plus, his father did help save his life. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:35, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The style he was cremated in was that of a jedi. I think it symbolizes how the evil darth vadar redeemed himself and in the last 10 minutes of his life he acted like a true jedi. Some believe that his body disappeared like yoda's and obi-wan's.--Dumac 22:37, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * His body probably did disappear. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:42, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Anakin's Homeworld
I won't change the data on Anakin without the moderators' approval, but I personally believe Anakin was born on Tatooine. The reason I believe this is that in the novel for Attack of the Clones, it states that Shmi Skywalker Lars had spent her entire life in a small area on Tatooine, which would leave only one place for her to give birth to Anakin. Furthermore, The New Essential Chronology explicitly states that Shmi gave birth to Anakin on Tatooine. Rogue Planet also states that Anakin had been born and raised there. Granted, the latter two books were not written by George Lucas, but from what I understand, nothing can be printed regarding the universe he created without his say-so.

BUT... I admit that I may be wrong. It's evident from this board that there's many people who know much more about canonicity than I do from the quotes they've found from either Lucas or Leland Chee. Therefore, does anyone know of a quote from either of them or anyone at Lucasfilm which states that Anakin was not born on Tatooine or just that he may possibly have been born there? If so, please enlighten me.
 * Yes, but the films explicitly states that Anakin moved to Tatooine when he was three. So Tatooine isn't his homeworld, despite what the NEC says.

Its also been mentioned somewhere that Shmi gave birth to Anakin on a "watery world", not Tatooine. Jasca Ducato 18:56, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I just took that to mean that he had moved to Mos Espa when he was three. As for the "watery world" thing, I believe that's just from the Supershadow website, but I could be wrong.  Furthermore, the fact that Anakin is the "Son of the Suns" also seems to imply he was born on Tatooine, though it could also be implying another planet he was born on, or could even just be implying all of the stars themselves.  Anyway, the question remains - does anyone know if George Lucas or Leland Chee has ever said otherwise?

I'm hoping the new Darth Plagueis novel that James Luceno will write may shed some light on the subject, considering the speculation that either Plagueis or Sidious may be behind Anakin's conception.
 * Well the "watery world" thing might be Supershadow crap, i cant remember. As for the Son of the Suns. That doesn't mean he was born on Tatooine! Regardless, this is pointless discussing, we cant change the article. Jasca Ducato 19:43, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Plus, the "Son of the Suns" isn't in-universe. The watery world, I believe, is SuperIdiot nonsense. And Anakin was not born on Tatooine. It's been decided before (the discussion is probably in an archive). Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:36, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't know that about the Son of the Suns, so thank you for clearing that up. But do you know if such an archive would be on this website or on an official Lucasfilm website?
 * Yeah, we decided that the "Son of the Suns" really isn't an in-universe thing. And the archive is here: Talk:Anakin Skywalker/Archive. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 15:08, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. Thanks for the archive.  I still believe that Anakin was born on Tatooine, but I respect everyone's wishes, and I certainly admit that I could be wrong.  Besides, the article on him says that he was POSSIBLY born on Tatooine, so at least we're open to the idea.  But out of curiosity, do you know where the whole "Son of the Suns" thing originally came from?  Was it fanon?
 * I believe someone said it came from the prologue to the original Episode IV novel, but the "Son of the Suns" was referring to Luke there apparently. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:51, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Its just something i don't think we're going to find out. Unless Luke reveals it in LotF. Jasca Ducato 16:14, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Or maybe the Darth Plagueis novel will reveal it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:38, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Feature article?
i have no idea how to do it properly by i recommend this article for feature article status. this is the best written article in the whole of wookieepedia particularly the section on how why anakin help save luke. jackchen123

Hello there, You might be looking for Featured_article, Please read the instructions on how to nominate, you can also sign your name by placing four tildes. May The Force Be With You! Fatguy2006 01:42, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You could also put the nominated tag on the top of the article. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 03:38, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I second the nomination for Anakin to be nominated for featured article status. I think at long last after all the hard work everyone has put into it, Anakin is finally ready. Anyone else agree/disagree? Impassioned Jedi 21:38, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
 * This isn't the place for it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:18, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

Some-sort-of-jedi Anakin Thomas 07:19, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * N it ain't Mr. Jedi!!
 * That was kind of pointless... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:35, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Talents?
it needs a talents section, agreed? Jedi Dude 21:19, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Considering most other articles do, I suppose so. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:56, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Talent section? No problem, I'll see what I can do. Impassioned Jedi 08:10 ,13 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks good. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:00, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

i also put powers and potential section with quotes from novels... Jibers
 * Please remember to use the quote template next time, though. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:22, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

Heyyy...someone removed my quotes from the section i created ,,,why...and what do u mean by quote template...how do i use it? i want the qoutes put up back there..... Jibers
 * If you look, they're still in the article. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:20, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

guys i thought he was form 5 all the time but the article said he used form 4, in every book and insider i've read it said anakin practiced form 5 in episode 2 and 3. could sombody please clarify this.

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A Spirit's Age
In ROTJ, when Anakin is a Spirit, is that the 22 yr old Anakin, or is that what Anakin would had looked like at the age of 45? Double D 13:57, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It's the 22-year-old Anakin. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 16:23, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

It is, O.K., but he looks like he's a gerneration old when he's a spirit. Plus I thought in the old version, since he's 45, i figure that was the age of the new version. Double D 12:55, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * No, they just apparently wanted to show Anakin from RotS. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:32, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Power and Force potential image
I was wondering what picture would look good in the "Power and Force potential" section. There seems to be some minor disagreement. I think the current one is okay, but I don't like it. However, I want to avoid an editing war. I did find some images that I think would be suitable to nominate. Of course, we can always keep it as is. Impassioned Jedi 06:29, 30th July 2006 (UTC)


 * Keep it as is. These ones here aren't as good. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:36, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

change the picture...its rubbish...hey admiral...how do u like the power and force potential section i wrote up? do i get any awards for doing these things...i also did the chosen 1 article in the vader page and the lightsaber training write up...i will do another 1 in 2 days...by the way i dont know how 2 use the templates like u said...all ur names are in blue in these discussions ...how do i do that..my name does not appear on what i write and i have to put it up...help...(i have 2 do waht i just said now)...jibers
 * The picture is fine, and it's going to stay. And the section is fine now. No, you don't get any awards. And I really can't explain how to use those templates here. And if you want to sign your name, put ~ ~ ~ ~ at the end of your posts, without the spaces. And these talk pages are not the place to ask questions like those. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:30, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

what do u mean i cant ask quesions like that? Jibers 23:16, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * This type of talk page is not the place to ask those questions. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:30, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Anakin's Hand
Anakin appears, as said, in his pre-fall form on Endor as a force ghost. However, can it be seen in this shot if he's wearing his glove? This would signify how prostetics carry over when someone becomes one with the force.


 * If it is, it shouldn't, I don't think so anyway...Anakin..can we officially say that Anakin went over to the dark side when his mom died? He had both arms there, thats just what I think..Some-sort-of-jedi Anakin Thomas 07:22, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Anakin didn't fall to the dark side until 19 BBY. But I don't think his prostetics carried over. Plus, don't forget that his limbs also "died"&mdash;shouldn't they have Force ghosts that reconnect to Anakin's Force ghost? ;) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:35, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think we can see enough of his hands to determine. Another interesting question is whether his scar is visible.  I can't tell in the images here.  Powers 16:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It probably isn't. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:10, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * GL has stated that the representation of Anakin at the end of ROTJ is how Anakin looked just before he fell to the darkside. And since he had lost his arm before then we would see him with a prosphetic arm in his Force Ghost apparition. Jasca Ducato 09:17, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * or just one arm...ghosts might not be able to show the cubernetic parts Jedi Dude 09:30, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Was a glove over Force ghost Anakin's right hand at the end of RotJ? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:26, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I can't tell. The images we have here don't show his hand. Jasca Ducato 11:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)