User talk:Erik Pflueger

Erik Pflueger, welcome!

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Citing Wookieepedia
I agree with your statement on the writers checking with us, but only after all problems with continuity and POV have been dealt with. Wikipedia (our parent wiki) is cited now in various papers and news reports, even as it is editable by the masses, and disinformation could leak into an article, but they've gotten their checking procedures down good, and usually catch that stuff and delete it or revert it. As for Wookieepedia, its still a long ways from completion, hell, it will never actually be completed due to all the new stuff created almost daily. But we'll see down the road. ;) -- Riffsyphon1024 02:33, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)


 * Yes, Steve (do I have your name right?), I have demonstrated myself that POV is a problem (I have become used to defending my in-universe entries by including out-universe names and sources).

But at least I can confidently include entries that I know are directly from the source material - my book collection ensures that. And the plus of this format is that, if you're data's shown to be good, i.e. accurate, your article stays, and if it isn't, it is replaced by an accurate one. It is ironic that a format this democratic leads to statements that are more and more authoritarian as the facts are firmed, but there you go.

If there is a continuity problem, it would probably be good of me to note it in the article, perhaps in a "Behind the Scenes" afterword. If the writers ARE checking with us, it would be a great help to them, unless you're Abel Pena, in which case you already know it all.

As for Wookieepedia not being finished, I agree, that's a tall order. But you'll have my best efforts, and as I hope you'll discover, that can amount to a lot of help.

Write again soon!

Erik Pflueger 02:47, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Steve or Steven will work, but they usually call me Riff around here. :) -- Riffsyphon1024

OOU

 * You're doing some good work, but be careful to make sure your article is in "Out of Universe" perspective. That means you shouldn't refer to any "real-world" source (ie book, movie or comic names or anything else labelling a character as fictional) unless it's in a section labelled "Behind the Scenes". QuentinGeorge 06:19, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Resynchronization Dates
I would recommend that instead of placing them in the article next to the BBY/ABY format, that you instead place them on the respective year's timeline page. For example, you would go to 30 BBY, and place the Resynchronization time above. However I believe I've already placed the alternate dates from 35 BBY forward, from earlier on. -- Riffsyphon1024 01:28, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Even More Moffs!
Please, I don't think it's necessary to keep adding more and more moffs onto the moff page. There a whole separate article for that. Kuralyov 21:38, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Griff's given name
What is your source for Admiral Griff's given name of "Amise"? --SparqMan 18:44, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the response. Please be sure to comment on user's discussion pages, rather than the user page itself. --SparqMan 04:58, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Chaniotiko boureki and other Cretan recipes
http://www.explorecrete.com/cuisine/crete-recipes-psoma.htm

Here are some recipes from Chania, my mother's hometown. The ingredients may prove to be troublesome but if you want the REAL DEAL, it's worth it. May the Force be with us in the case of the Palpatine article. I'd be really saddened if your wonderful writing was molested down to a simplistic, dry recounting. And I once believed in that simplicity, and saw the article cut down... It isn't pretty... --Master Starkeiller 12:26, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * If you want the REAL DEAL, it's gonna cost you. Let's start with the boureki. I think you can get olive oil. Delicatessen shops should have mizithra. If you can't or you don't want to pay for it, try feta, which I think can be found everywhere. As for the anthogalo, forget it. It's hard to find in Greece, it'd be easier to find juma juice than anthogalo in Florida! --Master Starkeiller 16:35, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Alderaan WMDs
Hey, man... thanks for coming to bat for Bush. I actually have tweaked the "Behind the Scenes" part myself - what people don't realize is how much closer Palpatine is to Lincoln than Bush. Oh, well - people see what they want to see. Cutch 23:08, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Palpatine's Force Abilities
Hi Erik, if you would kindly follow this link and respond it would be a great help. Thanks! (If you've already seen this conversation, which I imagine you probably have, then please disregard this message).--DannyBoy7783 23:39, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

Palpatine's Languages
Erik, I was wondering - being the repository of all things Palpatine - if you'd add a mention to his article about what languages he spoke/understood. In addition to his knowledge of Huttese (vis-avis AotC), he also seems to have a working knowledge of Talz and Ithorian (as represented in the Clone Wars cartoon series). The Talz is a bit odd, as technically Foul Moudama was one of the only Talz in the Republic (they were largely discovered by the Galactic Empire)... at any rate, I thought you'd be the go-to man on this matter, as you might know what other languages he's evidenced knowledge of. Cutch 03:42, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The RPG gives him other languages as well. QuentinGeorge 07:36, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Congratulations
Uhhhhh..... WOW! I'd like to thank the Academy...
 * Since no one else has said it yet (here), congratulations on Wookieepedian of the Month! *I trust your feelings on this matter are clear.* Atarumaster88 17:25, 3 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You've long since earned it. -- SFH 17:29, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Seriously, folks, believe it or not, I had no idea that there was even such a title, let alone that I was nominated for it more than once, let alone that I won or could win. To tell you the truth, I'm not even sure why I've won, because, as Eyrezer correctly pointed out, my work really has been limited to the Palpatine page. Sure, I've spread out some from there, but hardly enough, I would have assumed, to be nominated for a damned thing.

If I feel joy at anything, it's that so many people think my work has merit, including many with whom I've had some sharp discussions in the past. It validates me and makes me feel like I've made some small difference here in the almost-year that I've been a Wookieepedian. I thank all of you who voted, one way or the other (yes, selfishly, I'm glad for those who voted for me, but I'm just glad somebody gave two craps for me and had something to say at all, good or bad).

I want to thank Jack Nebulax, who continues to invent new naval ranks for himself to accomodate his meteoric rise to power, for being my proofreader, conscience, and both my ally and enemy, as the occasion warranted. But mostly, for always doing what most helped the article. After any large-scale work of construction, someone has to sweep up the leavings, clean up the mess, watch what the crew is doing, and I could ask for no better foreman than Jack. I've made many friends here, and of all those, Jack did not give his support to me easily or quickly, which is what makes it so valued to me now.

I also want to give a special note of praise for Kuralyov. Having learned about my previous nominations, I took the time to look at the voting records, and at no time has Kuralyov ever wavered from his convictions. He doesn't care for my work, and I'm genuinely sorry for that, but he understands why he doesn't (NPOV, non-encyclopedic formatting), and says so consistently, and he never wavers from that heartfelt conviction, which is guided by a love of Star Wars and the Wookieepedia that is the equal, if not the better, of mine. There aren't enough men of courage who stand firm in their beliefs, regardless of whether I agree with them or not. In this world, where, as Yeats wrote, "The best lack all conviction, and the worst are full of passionate intensity," people like Kuralyov make things better. We don't have to be in agreement for me to find him worthy of my respect and, if he will have it, friendship.

Once again, thank you all. Erik Pflueger 18:43, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Ah, man, I thought I was going to be first to say congratulations, but anyway, congratulations. ;) MC Otaku 07:54, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Hey Erik. I don't know if you even remember me, I've been gone so long.  Congrats. - Angel Blue 451 00:02, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course I remember you, Matt. We last spoke circa Christmas or soon after, and you were quite the help in some crucial votes. Would I be here now without your help? Possibly not. And thank you. Erik Pflueger 00:34, 6 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Congratulations, you deserve the Wookieepedian of the Month award for your contributions to Wookieepedia. I'm still a fan of your Palpatine article. I Hope you'll continue to add high quality work like that one. KEJ 11:14, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm not really done with that one yet, but now that I've gotten my bearings here, don't worry: there's much more to come. Erik Pflueger 03:32, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Palpatine question

 * Erik (if that's your preferred method of address), do you know what lightsaber combat form Palpatine uses? I have seen him listed under both Form IV: Ataru and Form VII: Juyo/Vaapad. Does he use a mixture of both? Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 16:29, 3 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Erik will do just fine, Atarumaster, but I regret to say that I have read little about just what style of lightsaber combat Palpatine uses. Part of the reason for this is that the awesome and informative "Fightsaber" article in Star Wars Insider magazine (which I'm sure you've read) didn't come out in time to cover Episode III. Its main focus at the time was to tap into the interest in Episode II, which had numerous saber fights and demonstrations - not to mention Yoda pulling his blade for the first time and wielding it like the only guy with a lighter at a crack house. As a result, all the combat styles of the major characters who had used sabers to that point - including Yoda, Kenobi, Anakin/Vader, Luke and Dooku - were covered, but at that point, Palpatine hadn't yet pulled that magnificent spinny-jump and sliced four Jedi Masters, so that didn't get covered. And of the material released since Episode III, few, if any, have touched on this topic. It's a crying shame, I know, but there it is.

Let me make a suggestion, based more on instinct than actual fact. It's been long established (Dark Empire Sourcebook, p. 64) that Palpatine ultimately acquired his knowledge of the Force from numerous different disciplines, not just Jedi ones, including the recovered teachings of the Krath and the Heresiarchs, the tales of the Tyia, and Jarvashqiine shamanism. After all, he was a Sith, trained first in Sith techniques. He was likely well trained in the Jedi arts as well, and beyond that, he could have learned fighting styles from many other sects, including the various Sith splinter cults he later brought under his heel. There may not be just one saber form that Palpatine uses, and whichever Jedi ones he knows (if in fact he doesn't know all of them), they may still be just the tip of the iceberg. For this reason, until someone from LFL says differently (and I encourage you to contact someone like Leland Chee, their continuity coordinator, on this matter), you will have to assume the worst, and believe that Palpatine has as many styles up his sleeve as he has extra blades. You could even imagine that this is one of the reasons he creamed four master swordsbeings: he kept changing styles on them, faster than they could keep up, and so they couldn't maintain a consistent defense. Will that do? Erik Pflueger 04:50, 4 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Thank you for the reply. It was very informative. It does make sense to me that Palpatine does know most/all of the forms. He was the Emperor, that has to count for something. Perhaps the upcoming book by Luceno about Plageuis will reveal more- Luceno did mention forms in Labyrinth of Evil. I note that interestingly enough, on Wookieepedia Palpatine is attributed to use both Juyo and Ataru (VII and IV respectively).

I am truly saddened to say that I have never read any Star Wars Insider, do not belong to Hyperspace and have no presence on the starwars.com forums, so at this point it would be difficult for me to approach the problem that way. Fightsaber does sound fascinating though.

Thank you again for your reply. Would you mind taking a look at Luke Skywalker and seeing what features need to be added to it- not content- but formatting improvements, etc? It was recommended by a couple of people that Palps be used as a model for Luke's article, as far as layout, depth, etc. Luke is my big project right now, and I've added a lot,(about 8 new paras longer than 10 sentences) but I know compared to Palps, it's nothing. Atarumaster88  ( Audience Chamber ) 02:43, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I couldn't be more flattered if you tried, Atarumaster. But unfortunately, the Palpatine article alone occupies much of the time I have to spend on Wookieepedia. And that character, for all his complexity, is dead. Luke is just as complex and he's still alive and well in the EU, so material continues to pile up every day. I at least have an end to my labors in sight, distant though it may be. Besides, as well as I know the saga, I have to confess that I can't get into Luke's head the way I hope I get into Palpatine's. I know the Emperor back-to-front, and I can't say that about ol' Wormie.

As it is, I'm glad some are pushing to introduce my way of writing articles to Luke's. You may see my work on the Luke page eventually, and I will look at it for you. Frankly, I won't lie by being a little arrogant and saying that I feel the 'Pedia would best be served if all the articles were done with the level of detail and craft I try to bring to the table. But though I'll fight like hell to do that wherever I can, the director of quality control will probably not be me. I have a wedding in two months, a full-time day job in the architectural rendering business, and a large-scale fine arts project at night. When do I sleep? Dunno.

So here's my best advice: keep doing what you're doing on Luke's page. If you know what's good, keep doing it there. Always be willing to credit your own taste; if you're a good writer, no one will know - not even you - if you aren't brave enough to step up to the plate. Measure your work against writers you admire, wherever you find them, but also measure it against stuff you think is bad; sometimes a very great career begins when you say "Hell, I can do better than that, and they get paid for it." Finally - and this is the most important - always have your research material at hand, know what you're writing about, and be prepared to cite your source down to the page number at a moment's notice. If you slip up, there'll be legions of people - including me, probably - who will rip your work to shreds if they see you're data's not good. So make sure it is. ;) Erik Pflueger  04:44, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

And wherever I can, I'll contribute as well. I wish you the best of luck. God bless! Erik Pflueger  18:29, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it's hard because I moved recently and have few sources readily available, but I do have an excellent memory- and I use other Wookieepedia articles and the databank as well. I think that all articles on the main characters should definitely have about as much depth as Palps, but I don't think that I can get Luke to that level. However, no one has told me to stop working on Luke and I've had a couple of compliments on it, so I can't be totally in the wrong. I'm always careful to make sure I'm putting in factual information though. Luke is my biggest project yet- my previous large one was Second Battle of Borleias (Yuuzhan Vong War). Really, I'm making Luke more of a cooperative effort as I have asked several other people to contribute in their particular areas of knowledge. Thanks. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 15:04, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Again, thank you for your help, it's been very informative. Would you sign the guest book on my user page? God bless as well and happy editing! Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 03:53, 7 September 2006 (UTC)