Talk:Millennium Falcon/Legends

EPIII appearance

 * "The Millennium Falcon was present in the Galactic Senate docking bay on Coruscant shortly after the Second Battle of Coruscant, but not much else is known of the ship's early history."

Is it confirmed in any source that the vessel was the Falcon? My instinct is that while OOU it is a nod to fans, the IU explanation is that the ship was just another YT-1300. --SparqMan 20:54, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * George Lucas confirmed that it was the Falcon. I read that on our article for Episode III. -- SFH 21:25, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

I heard that George Lucas did confirm the YT-1300 in that movie to be the Falcon, though of course Han was not the captain at the time. My question is who was? (Note, not a real question.) --TheLIGHTSABERwieldingNERFHERDER 00:36, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, as far as the Falcon in Episode III, this has been known for quite some time. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:12, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC)

it was landing at the senate landing pad, the same area that the future "rebel blockade" Tantive IV(sp?) also uses, so it might be owned by the senator from Corellia, (maybe it's the prototype for the YT-1300 class ship and it was given to the senator as a "gift" ie bribe :-) chasemarc123


 * Where the heck does that picture captioned "Falcon during the Clone Wars" come from? It looks like a fan pic of the Falcon with blue lines drawn on it. Since the Falcon was never used during any of the movie battles (doesn't appear in the animated movie either), what is this? Is it from a video game perhaps? If the "easter egg" ship is the Falcon, then we know for sure it never looked like this, since Episode III shows us the end of the war.

Quotes
I'd submit that we can cut that Han quote off after "heard of the Millennium Falcon". That pretty much says it all, I think. And for that matter, is the Luke quote really needed? I didn't even think two quotes were allowed. CooperTFN 02:15, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I've truncated the first quote, and moved the second to "modifications" section. QuentinGeorge 02:35, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * That works. CooperTFN 02:38, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Speaking of the quote in the modifications section, I propose replacing the current one with the following, from "The Prize Pelt: The Tale of Bossk": "Modified. Heavily modified. Illegally modified." Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:43, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm including the quote "This baby's got a few surprises left in her, sweetheart" under the Escape from Hoth section Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Try to add the Illegally modified quote and keep the Lando quote that's there. That might fit in another section as well. -Fnlayson 04:04, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I've included the illegally modified quote and removed the Lando quote that was there, only because its the same quote that appears at the very top of the page. No reason to have the same one twice. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:26, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Armament
The article says the concussion missile launchers weren't added until the Falcon began serving as a courier ship for the Solo family, but the original Star Wars Sourcebook (1987) lists the launchers and it covers the time period of the original trilogy, and I've seen many elements of the Sourcebook referenced as canon. 69.105.173.14 05:23, 9 February 2006 (UTC) Regarding Chewbacca stating in Tyrant's Test that the Falcon's turret guns are "large-bore Dennia quads" rather than CEC AG-2G's, could we just accept (or at least acknowledge) the most likely explanation, which is that Kube-McDowell didn't do his homework, and the Lucasfilm continuity person, as usual, failed to catch the incongruity? Ze&#39;ev Skordeno 10:07, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hero's Trial notes that the concussion missile launchers between the mandibles were added at Shug Ninx's spacebarn on Nar Shaddaa before Han and Chewie's days in the Corporate Sector. --SparqMan 19:35, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Didn't Lando use the Falcon's concussion missiles to destroy the Death Star II's main reactor in ROTJ? Ze&#39;ev Skordeno 11:36, 26 August 2007 (UTC)


 * They were clearly used in Episode 6. Mention of them was made well before.  And movies trump all other canon. 68.228.89.148 06:26, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Sublight Speed
Ok i don't get it how can an Imperial class star destroyer able to catch up to the Millennium Falcon even though it have max acceleration of 2300g while the Falcon has a max acceleration of 3000g? It doesn't make sense.

-Darth Tader


 * If you wanna go by RPG stats, the Imperial Star Destroyer has a sublight speed of 60 MGLT, whereas a standard YT-1300 has a speed of 40. Naturally the Falcon is upgraded, so it's probably slightly faster than the ISD. -Danik Kreldin 17:43, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Ok, thanks for the missing info -Darth Tader

Okay, how fast *is* 'G' in terms of kilometers per hour or miles per hour? And on another note, what is the real world factor of MGLT?


 * A 'G' is the force of gravity on Earth (or, in the case of Star Wars, Coruscant), which is about 9.8 meters per second. It's a measure of linear acceleration, not speed. In space, there is no top speed, just top acceleration. And on MGLT, we don't really know... Someone mentioned that one MGLT is about 0.3 km/s, for whatever that's worth, which usually works when you convert it into 'G's... Usually. Ben of Oz 02:52, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

ps: I altered the MGLT of the MF. Wookipedia is looking like trash each day... We need entrys with quality and not quantity.
 * I see a BIIIG problem on the wookipedia... For example. Here on the MF page its says that the ship have a speed of 80 MGLT. But when we go to the MGLT page, we can find the "An Industrial Light & Magic spaceship speed and maneuverability chart from Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi post production" we can see the top speed of the ship is 75 MGLT.
 * Please sign your comments with four tildes: ~ . Thank you.  Gethralkin  Hyperwave 15:44, April 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * It would help if you signed your comments with ~ .  Gethralkin  Hyperwave 15:41, April 21, 2010 (UTC)

Millenium Falcon in Attack of the Clones?
On Naboo in Atttack of the Clones, you can see a YT-1300 transport at the spaceport. Has it ever been stated whether or not this is the Falcon? If it has never been stated that it is NOT the falcon, perhaps someone should include a reference to its appearance. --143.229.139.43 21:21, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It's been confirmed they're just three random YT-1300s, same as those seen in the same location in RotS. Only the YT-1300 on Coruscant in RotS has been confirmed as the Falcon - Kwenn 18:16, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I read in a magazine you can see the Falcon in Ep.III, just after Anakin and Obi-Wan crash General Grievous's ship. Is this true? &quot;MovieMan&quot; 14:41, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, it did in Episode 3 - as it says in the article: It was speculated that the Falcon would make an appearance in Revenge of the Sith to further tie the prequel trilogy to the original trilogy, and the ship did indeed make a cameo in the movie. At the beginning of one shot closing in on a docking bay on Coruscant, a YT-1300 freighter is seen flying in to dock. This was confirmed by Lucas that it was the Millennium Falcon itself and not just some other YT-1300 freighter. And by the way, this topic ended over two years ago.  Aqua  Unasi  16:24, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Falcon's Layout should be changed
I believe that a scan of the MF from the ICS book would be a better illustration than the one currently on the page.
 * That might cause copyright issues. --DannyBoy7783 20:40, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

A Tired Thought
I am running on fumes right now, and I want to put this in before I forget: why was Vader so intent on capturing the Falcon? I understand that Luke was on it, but before he was adamant that the bounty hunters find it. Maybe I'm delirious, just very curious. --Quidon88 04:47, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Vader probably assumed that Han and Chewbacca would know where to find Luke. -- SFH 05:07, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, maybe some anger over being shot by it in Ep. I. -Finlayson 02:13, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Question about Canon
I've got a question...are comic books consider "canon" enough for Wookieepedia? I've read several that deal with the Falcon and Han, and what they did prior to ANH and in between ANH and ESB. Darthvadersnewmaster 23:35, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * yep they are, depending on what ones your on about. Tales generally isn't although there are exceptions.. Jedi Dude 23:37, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

In Revenge of the Sith
I don't think the Millennium Falcon was in ROTS. The are tons of YT-1300 Trasports in the galaxy. Is there any proof that that was the Millennium Falcon out of thousands of other YT-1300 Trasports? Double D
 * I think that should be an unoffical appearance (easter egg) anyway. Don't think that should be listed. Anybody know more? -Finlayson 17:12, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * George Lucas himself was reported as saying that is was the Millennium Falcon, though I forget when and where. I read it though. Anyone else got more? --Taybo20 18:03, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

On myspace there is an app. addicted to star wars...there is a trivia question about the falcon in ep 3 which leads me to believe that if one a few fans belive it to be true then it must be so.

Backup Hyperdrive
The stats section of the article has information about the primary hyperdrive but is missing data on the backup (which presumably was used to reach Cloud City in Ep. V). My gut says it was a Class 12 but I can't verify that. Does anyone know for sure, and have a source? Larkid 13:33, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Appearances
Should Star Wars: Where Science Meets Imagination be added to the appearances list? If not I think that its appearance there should at least be mentioned somewhere in the article. - General Layton
 * Mention in the Behind the Scenes. Don't think that is considered a Star Wars Appearance any way.  -Finlayson 18:37, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Rebuilt in 16 ABY
At the beginning of the Black Fleet Crisis, a crew is finishing a total rebuild of Millennium Falcon. Han comments later than she is too tight. He can't tell how much she is straining. In any event, I don't see an obvious good location to mention this rebuild. Suggestions? -Finlayson 02:16, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I am not sure were that sould be put, but there also needs to be something added about the Falcon's part in the Second Battle of Kuat. - User:General Layton

Behind the Scenes
I thought this picture of the original concept design for the Millenium Falcon, by Ralph McQuarrie, would be nice, if anyone wanted to add it to the "Behind the Scenes" section. Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 00:27, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm almost certain that is a concept drawing of the Tantive IV not the Falcon. - JMAS 22:50, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's both actually. The Falcon design was changed late cause it resembled ships on Space: 1999 TV series. -Fnlayson 22:57, 13 March 2007 (UTC)

ROTS Picture
We already have an image of the toy with the ROTS paint scheme, but the card back of that figure also has an in-universe picture of the Falcon, which might be better. I don't know where it could fit, but here it is:



Lord Hydronium 06:08, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That's pretty cool. Where was it at in the movie?  Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 05:45, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That particular shot wasn't, but the Falcon can be seen here as Obi-Wan and Anakin return from the space battle. - Lord Hydronium 01:28, 7 October 2006 (UTC)

Would those Blue Markings make the Falcon alleged with CIS ? 24.215.171.40 22:13, 13 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Not necessarily, or else Obi-Wan would be allied with the CIS after the Battle of Coruscant, as his replacement starfighter had blue markings. Darth Zaktius 00:30, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Hyperdrive modifications
I changed this sentence: The secret to her speed were Han and Chewie's modifications that "streamlined" the ship in hyperspace by controlling the warp of the space-time continuum around her. to credit "Doc" Vandangante. Han and Chewie went to the Corp Sector in ~2 BBY to get hyperdrive mods. Also got inproved sensors along others. -Fnlayson 05:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I would like to say that good navigation is an important part of Hyperdrive speed.I think because Chewie was a member of the Claatuvac navigator guild he maybe fed some of their secret routs into the falcons computers. 80.131.228.28 11:35, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Twice in RotS?
According to this article, "The Falcon (or possibly a standard Corellian Engineering Corporation YT-1300 stock light freighter caught up in the fighting) can also be seen in the opening battle sequence of Revenge of the Sith, flying to the rear of Anakin Skywalker's Jedi Interceptor at the point where the buzz-droid which attacks R2-D2 meets its demise". I assume the poster means this shot, but I can't see anything remotely resembling the Falcon there. Can anyone back this up? - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 19:43, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I can accept that the ship landing in the Senate building was the Falcon, but that one bracketed shot during the battle with Anakin's fighter in the foreground is definitely that of a Trade Federation battleship. - lalala_la
 * I think its just a Lucrehulk-class battleship or a Control Ship looked from the front. - Rezendi 20:00, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The RotS page says "When Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Palpatine arrive via shuttle to the Senate docks after crash landing on Coruscant, the Millennium Falcon can be seen landing on one of the lower platforms as the shuttle approaches." Anyone see this? Cutch 02:01, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It isn't a Lucrehulk.It's not a YT-1300 either, there's no cargo mandibles. It's either another variety of YT series freighter or one of Coruscant's moons. And yes, Cutch, we've all seen the "Millennium Falcon on Coruscant" thing. ZeldaTheSwordsman

Serenity
Aren't there a lot of fictional ships that are inspired by the Falcon? I don't think that Serenity deserves a mention to the extent that a picture is added. - lalala_la
 * I think the reason that Serenity gets a picture is because it was needed for another article. jSarek 23:15, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Significant crew
I'd be interested in seeing a list of the Falcon's significant crew members (I mean Leia's been Han's co-pilot for what, ten years?). We could include Vuffi Raa, who piloted during Lando's ownership, Bollux and Blue Max, and Airen Cracken who manned the Falcon's top turret during tne assault on Death Star II, as well as the wookiees who crewed during the Yuuzhan Vong War.Tocneppil 09:05, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that would be great idea - User:General Layton

Spoiler no more
Can the spoiler warning tag at the bottom be removed? "Tempest" has been out for months now. - Milo Fett [Comlink] 00:04, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point. It's gone now. -Fnlayson 00:13, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Possible Backround
There is a mention in the book Medstar:II Jedi healer, of a souped up YT-1300. It was mentioned by a agent of the Black Sun Crime syndicate as being able to run checkpoints of the Republic Medstar Frigate or the CIS pickets. This could possibly be the Falcon. The fact that it was modified by the Black Sun to run blockades and tariff points could also point to where it's military grade hyperdrive and engine modifications came from. Any thoughts on this? 147.138.81.129 18:43, 11 February 2007 (UTC)Dash2400
 * Probably just a nod. Unit 8311 08:03, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't notice this. Page number?

5.1 Corrected spelling/grammar
Cleaned up tense inconsistencies and removed instances of colloquial speech. Repaired broken sentence structure and replaced run-ons.

It is suggested this article be watched for reversions to its former version.

170.35.224.64 16:00, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Forces of Corruption
The Kessel prison stuff in Forces of Corruption is before ANH, not after it. I've no idea where it fits in with the rest of the stuff though. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 01:13, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Somebody must have changed that already. It currrently says "Proceeding the Battle of Yavin Urai Fen of the Zann Consortium hired the crew of the Millennium Falcon to pick up crimelord Tyber Zann from the spice mines of Kessel..".  -Fnlayson 02:17, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

About the size
I know that the interior is larger than the outside, but still, it's pretty bad when it wont work at all. I just bought a cut-out model kit och the falcon. The scale should be 1:58 (the model is about 45cm long). And thus it would be the right scale to other model kits of that scale. But seeing the pieces in the flesh(?) one can clearly see that it is about half the size of what it need to be the right scale. I did a amateur estimation of the size from the "layout"-picture found here on the falcon-page. I used on of the beds as a reference, estimated them to be a little over 2m. That made the falcon on the page about 42m long, thus making the scale of my model about 1:93, thus almost half the size of 1:58. Is it possible that the 26,7m can be changed to a larger number, to correct the size-matter? Or is it clearly 26,7m when seen from the outside? Observe that this is just not about the model kit issue, I just used it to explain the confusion it can create. Any thoughts anyone? --Draii 20:55, 3 October 2007 (UTC)
 * We can't adjust official specs to make everything "fit" as desired. That's approaching fanon. -Fnlayson 00:42, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
 * The movies are the highest form of canon and they clearly show that the set piece is too small to accommodate all the various interiors (some model exterior shots shows this as well). It's very common when making sci-fi movies etc. to make the exter ior set pieces smaller than the interiors (to save money), an other example of this is the Galileo shuttle in the Original Star Trek series. Bob Brown had an excellent page on this (on his defunct site) and as he showed, the official sizes of the Millennium Falconhas varied greatly: http://web.archive.org/web/20021205212509/www.synicon.com.au/sw/mf/sizetabl.htm -Northerner 19:47, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * But the size specifications themselves are the highest form of canon, as they do not require additional fan-based research. Extrapolations from movie shots, however accurate and precise they may be, without officially licensed backing (such as publishing in an LFL-approved book), are still only fan-based original research, which does constitute a form of fanon, and is against Wookieepedia's MOS (WP:NOR). However flawed the official data may be, fan-researched material is still fan-researched, even if it is off a movie. There is no on-screen words and numbers that say "Oh, and by the way, the Falcon is so-and-so meters long), and we can only go off of pictures (which also have a sense of perspective to deal with). Besides, what's so wrong with having the Falcon also be a TARDIS? :-P Jorrel Wiki-shrinkable.png Fraajic 22:27, 13 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, Original Research a more accurate term. -Fnlayson 00:31, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I absolutely don't agree that size specifications are the highest form of canon as they in most cases are C-canon. Furthermore, it's absolutely not original research or "fanon" to point at other official sizes as the official figures varies greatly. The WEG figures are not the only official figures on the block (and are of no higher status than any other) and WEG has been wrong on several occasions (the length of the 'Executor', the height of the AT-AT and even the height of R2-D2). For the sake of balance, there should therefore be references to other official sources which indicates other sizes. Northerner 07:05, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree that size specifications are not the highest form of canon, but neither is a fan-based hypothesis based off of movie footage. As for the WEG arguement, that's only what it's linked to. There are many other sources that support the WEG calculations. I'm in the camp that would prefer the larger sized Falcon, as it indeed makes more sense, but that doesn't make it canon, as it's not official. Helska 4, it may even be the actual size, but it's not been referenced too. (Please note, as well, that Wookieepedia goes off the latest mention of a ship as the most canon, so, for instance, EGtVaV has it at 26, NEGtVaV has it 26.7 - we go off of the NEGtVaV stats, assuming they aren't wildly off.) As for your last suggestion, I think that could be done, at least in the BtS section. Would you happen to know of said (official) sources? Perhaps a list of source then length? Jorrel Wiki-shrinkable.png Fraajic 15:39, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * And the sources you refer to at the beginning of your post are all derived from the WEG figures as is the Databank entry (this parallels NEGtVaV's claim that the Executor was 12 km long). Granted, there aren't that many sources which indicates other sizes, but Star Wars Screen Entertainment claims that the length of the MF is 30 meters. Some model kits indicates other sizes such as the Argonaut model (31 meters). While I'm not sure how official those plans are, but the 1982 Selyana plans indicates a length of 37 meters. Due to the limitations of Wookieepedia, I'll have to concede the issue until a time where we have more official information.Northerner 16:55, 14 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, alot of interesting thoughts here since I last visited. Since I don't have any good soruces or other facts that might add to the discussion I just want to give a updated opinion of that model kit a mentioned in my first post. From outside the ship looks just right when putting another ship or character from the same scale next to it. So I think that the 26,7m is a good estimation of the outside of the ship. And as mentioned before, the interior is far to big to fit in the ship, so it's downsized to about half of the scale to fit. So I don't have the length in question anymore, rather the mapping of the interior. Since it is canon (right?) it can't be changed by us. But I think it would have been possible to make a layout that fit better than the canon one (havent tried it though). What is the original source for the inside layout of the Falcon? So in the end, my post is not about changing canon. I just wanted to lift the question about this mayor flaw in the most known ship in SW. And by the looks of it there seem to be some great thoughts about it.--Draii 09:40, 27 October 2007 (UTC)

Appearance in Galaxies Canonical?
Star Wars Galaxies was a non-canonical video game, but it is not listed on the 'Non-canonical appearances list' but rather in the 'appearance' list, this is incorrect, may I change it or have I got something wrong? 84.45.134.188 03:07, 4 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Elements from Star Wars Galaxies IS canon if they're found on all Galaxies servers. jSarek 06:30, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Original Falcon Picture
this request probably would make more since under Tantive IV but does anyone have a picture of what the original Falcon was supposed to look like
 * Yes, there's actually a picture of it farther up in the discussion section. You can't miss it.  Hope that helps.  &mdash;  Sadriel Fett  Mandalorian Neo-Crusader and Modern Era Symbol.JPG 07:10, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Escape pods ?
The original model clearly shows the "escape pods" - 163.189.217.40 01:39, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

Courtship of Princess Leia- Armament
I just finished reading through CPL the other night, and an old nagging question hit me: shouldn't there be some mention about how CPL mistakenly portrays the Falcon as not ONLY packing the traditional quad lasers, repeating blaster, and concussion missiles- but simultaneously packing proton torpedoes and an ion cannon?

I'm thinking in the Behind the Scenes section, as it's clearly an error. Dewback rancher 00:49, 23 December 2008 (UTC)

Schematics
This could use some schematics from Star War blueprints. 04:44, 20 January 2009 (UTC)