Talk:Pong Krell/Legends

Quote?
Can someone state the source of the quote? 'cause I've never heard him speak- Darth Q the first
 * It's sourced in the Quote template.  CC7567  (talk) 03:24, September 3, 2011 (UTC)

NPOV
Okay, instead of going back and forth in an edit war, let's talk about what's neutral and what isn't. I found this page and was astonished at how it originally presented only Krell's side of things, i.e. "He was an accomplished general who was stuck commanding a bunch of incompetent clones who kept on questioning his orders." True neutrality means telling the whole story, such as why the clones acted that way, that they were not incompetent (and the entry DID use the word "incompetence" to describe the clones' performance before I changed it) but rather were marched into an open space without cover after Rex respectfully recommended a different strategy, found themselves in a minefield, and then were ambushed in said open space. The best troops in the world wouldn't stand a chance in that situation; go forward, and they get blown up by mines. Stand still, and they get gunned down by the enemies who are shooting at them from cover.--HanShotFirst 06:53, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I removed the part that was the main issue of neutrality. Hopefully that will solve the issue.  CC7567  (talk) 07:04, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, I suppose I could have phrased that particular part differently, and I've got no issues with how it looks now.--HanShotFirst 07:13, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * I changed it back to the way it was, but I took out the incompetence part, despite the fact that the clones needed his help on more than one occasion makes them look less effective without a Jedi to save them. Krell is a great general, as stated on his biography page on StarWars.Com. He also doesn't care that much about clone casualties, and he thinks rather low of them (both points I added before you got involved). JRT2010 11:38, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * As for CC-7567's "gross act of insubordination"&mdash;In terms of strict military discipline and structure, subordinates do not repeatedly question the orders of a superior officer, as CC-7567 did. Subordinates do not criticize their superior officer in front of the men, like ARC Trooper 5555 did. To do so, whatever the reason, is an act of insubordination. JRT2010 11:45, October 30, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, the entry on starwars.com does not state he is a "great general". It says this: This Besalisk Jedi is all about getting results and, indeed, his battlefield record lists many key victories in the Clone Wars. He has an unshakable confidence in his methods, and he will brook no insubordination among his charges. In personal combat, he can be ferocious -- his giant arms carry two double-ended lightsabers, making him extremely dangerous in close quarters. Pong Krell's reputation as a successful general is well known but so is the fact that the casualty rates of the clone troopers under his command are the highest. There is a difference between "successful" and "great", and the fact that he racks up a high body count is a mark against him. Additionally, you are inserting your own bias into the entry by putting all of the blame on the clones.--HanShotFirst 15:44, October 30, 2011 (UTC)