Talk:Anakin Skywalker/Archive13

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Picture
Surely, there's billions of images with a combination of Darth Vader AND Anakin Skywalker, which would be far more appropriate for this page. Loads of the main character pages have changed the main picture reasonably recently (last 6 months or so) and I dunno, but the one on this page, I just particularly hate it for some reason. Would it not be better to have one which incorporated each half of Anakin's Life? Well I dunno. I think the picture is in need of a change whether it includes Vader or not..... Jagged Fel, (Yo!) I guess if we wanted to use the second one, then it would have to be cut to size. Jagged Fel, (Yo!) Just playing devil's advocate here *wicked grin*, and I'm not saying I think the main image should or needs to be changed ... but one of you mentioned finding an official Anakin/Vader image ... well this is an officially licensed image by an Lucasfilm Licensed artist, Tsuneo Sanda. - JMAS 16:03, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * On the issue of changing the image: I'd have to say no. Your dislike for it is not enough to change it. On the issue of a half-Anakin, half-Vader image: Hell no. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:44, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Alright. Show us these so-called billions of images with an Anakin/Vader combination...that has not been fan-made. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 21:48, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Let's see... That narrows it down to maybe one or two. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:50, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I still want to see those two. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 22:05, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, I was being sarcastic... Jack Nebulax 00:10, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You don't have to be so hostile about it. When I said billions, of course that was a massive exaggeration...And I was mainly referring to fan-made ones unfortuantely. What I was suggesting was that a different Anakin image could be used in the infobox, considering that one has been there for quite a long time. I mean Boba Fett had its image changed relatively recently. Some guy called Spanky The Dolphin  complained that he didn't like one that they had on Thrawn's page and they had a decent discussion about it, people suggested alternatives. Now the picture he complained about, isn't the infobox image. Obi-Wan's page and Darth Maul's page both got new info box pictures. My reasoning is not only that I don't like the current one....But also because a change to a page is good from time to time....The main page got revamped, for instance. I mean if the majority really wants to keep the current picture that's fine by me. But I want to discuss it not make a suggestion and receive "H**L NO!" that's not what I want when I make (valid) suggestions.  Jagged Fel,  (Yo!)[[Image:JagFel.jpg|20px]]
 * You didn't make any valid suggestions. You just went ahead and said "I want it changed." I hate to break it to you but if you really want it changed, you are going to have to present some alternatives. And just so you know, Boba Fett has been the subject of debate concerning his image because of that damned fanon image that went in there. As for Obi-Wan, the image that was there before was fanon. I should know - it was my creation. BTW, you are allowed to say "hell"... -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 15:04, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Fel, there is no policy saying main images have to be changed every so often. In addition, just because you don't like it is not a valid reason to change the image, as Redemption pointed out. And FYI, if I feel like saying "Hell no" to your suggestion, I can. You can't stop me from doing so. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 15:05, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I never said I could stop you from doing so, I just think it was not wholly necessary. I was not making demands, I was making a suggestion and saying why I was making it. I was not saying it had to be done. How about [[Image:Rots32.jpg|100px|this one]] or [[Image:Star wars anakin 4 (2).jpg|100px|this one?]] I would be glad to hear reasona against either of them and for the current one. But could you please stop talking to me like I'm the scum of wookieepedia, I (stupidly) didn't remember images had to be canon and I also didn't realise you wanted me to present alternatives. Jagged Fel,  (Yo!)[[Image:JagFel.jpg|20px]]
 * First one looks like he is stoned and the second one is just too bad of quality to even consider. Next... -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 15:20, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * OK. [[Image:Anakin Prime.jpg|100px]] or [[Image:Hi_Res_Anakin_promo.jpg|100px]]
 * First, I hate going with non-promotional shots. As for the second one, too much body and flair. He isn't Marilyn Monroe you know. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 15:28, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well what if we cut it from the waist or something? It doesn't have that much flair...Not like a couple of the other promo images. Have you got your mind made up from the start, that we are absolutely not changing the picture? I mean Luke Skywalker's picture looks pretty stoned... And I suppose an Episode II picture is completely out of the question, so I won't even go there. I guess thats it then. All the rest of the promo images are of pretty bad quality so that rules them all out. Jagged Fel,  (Yo!)[[Image:JagFel.jpg|20px]]
 * By flair I mean his hair is shaped oddly. And don't even go to that Luke image. We've had enough problems with that which I'd rather not have to deal with again. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 15:59, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I suppose that is too dark or it should be a photo or its too small or something. Jagged Fel,  (Yo!)[[Image:JagFel.jpg|20px]]
 * None of the images in this section are good enough to be a main image. In addition, I'll probably say no to every image you do suggest. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:14, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Categories

 * should be added to Anakin's page.  should be added as well. Mrobviousjosh 02:26, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * To quote the very bottom of the Anakin Skywalker article:


 * Categories: Wookieepedia former featured articles | Semi-protected articles | Cyborgs | Humans | Imperial Supreme Commanders | Jedi Commanders | Jedi Council members | Jedi Generals | Males | Mechanics | Naberrie family | Outbound Flight residents | Pilots | Podracers | Post-Ruusan Jedi | Redeemed Jedi | Republic Navy admirals | Sith Lords of Bane's Order | Skywalker family | Slaves | Tatooinians

Anakin Skywalker has categories, twenty-two of them. 07:27, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly. We don't need any more. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 11:01, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

canon or fanon
I got a couple of pictures here. Are they canon or fanon?

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/40/untitledrl9.png http://img48.imageshack.us/img48/2748/untitled2wf7.png http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/5866/untitled3rv5.png KKR 18:48, 19 May 2007 (UTC)KKR I suppose "fanon, canon, fanon." I dunno for sure about the very first one. But the Anakin/Vader shadow one is definitely canon and I would certainly imagine that the last one is fanon. Jagged Fel, (Yo!) How about this http://img102.imageshack.us/img102/8964/untitled4ek5.png

67.82.156.42 20:33, 19 May 2007 (UTC)KKR
 * Likely fanon. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:14, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Of the first three, all but the middle are fanon. 99% sure of that. The bottom one looks like it could have come off a movie poster, perhaps something from Europe. More likely it's fanon though. Chack Jadson 23:35, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

actually, the bottom one is from 'the art of star wars galaxy' if that counts as canon, I'm not sure about the top one though, but it is likely fanon. Darth odious 20:35, 20 May 2007 (UTC) This should be the new main pic... http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/9319/vaderbz2.png KKR 00:20, 21 June 2007 (UTC)KKR
 * Yeah, I've got the trading card of that last one so it's official. The one with the shadow is from a poster for episode 1 so that's also legit. Green Tentacle (Talk) 11:31, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right, The top right one is canon, It's from an official poster used to promote Episode I. I've seen it here in Holland, in a theatre, apparently the owner is quite proud he managed to acquire it (I asked about the poster last time I was there). That's all I know. --Jedimca0 (Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 11:52, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * "Anakin's Shadow" is official. If I remember it right, I saw it at some promo thing for the Ep I Playstation game, but I don't know if it came from there originally. Evir Daal 13:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/316/anakincc2.png

Anakin's Birthdate
This page says that Anakin was nine during Ep. I. Where's the source for this? Does the novel or some other place say that he hadn't turned ten yet? (Of course, if he was born during the ninth month of the year, then he probably wouldn't have...)

Which brings us to another question. 42 BBY says that Anakin Skywalker was born in 42.9 BBY. That means about 9/10 through the year, right? So since there are ten months in the standard Coruscant year, does this mean that Anakin was born sometime in the ninth month, or what? And where's the source for the .9 anyway?

This page also says that Anakin was born in 42 BBY (7BrS:4). 7BrS means that the year was Year 7 Before Resynchronization, right? But what does the :4 part mean? (I think, according to the page on the Great Resynchronization, that this one actually does mean fourth month, but then if he was born during the fourth month, then what's with the 42.9 BBY? I repeat, what does the .9 mean?!? I am very confused. :)

Sorry, you know my reputation for asking pointless questions! --Crazy Jedi Girl 12:52, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Various sources say that Anakin was 9 during Ep1, such as the visual dictionaries, back of the DVD covers, etc...Unit 8311 18:08, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you very much! Could anyone answer my other questions as well? --Crazy Jedi Girl 20:12, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * If it said that it was 42.9 BBY, then it means that is was in the first tenth of the year. Don't forget that BBY is Before Battle of Yavin, so eveything is sorta reversed. Hope that helps.
 * Thanks! But are you sure about that? And who are you? (Please sign comments!)

But actually, I found out shortly after I posted that the page said 41.9 BBY, which makes no sense, as it was on the 42 BBY page. I have questioned the person who added that, and they can't remember the source (see my talk page). I have posted a comment on the 42 BBY talk page, but so far no one has replied.

Alas, I don't have access to a copy of the Episode I Visual Dictionary or any other cooliful book that would tell me when Anakin was actually born, so I have to rely on this site. But when this site contradicts itself and does things that don't make any sense, what's a poor fan to do? :(

Could someone please tell me in which year Anakin was actually born? With a source? --Crazy Jedi Girl 15:01, 4 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Update! I have discovered a clue as to when Episode I occurred! A quote from 32 BBY, under events: ''Galactic Republic Chancery Election: Palpatine replaces Finis Valorum as Supreme Chancellor (ReSynchronization Date 3:4:14)

ReSynchronization Dates are written [Year]:[Month]:[Day]. (See Great ReSynchronization.) Therefore the election occurred in 32 BBY, on the fourteenth day of the fourth month. There are 35 days in a month. (See Galactic Standard Calendar.) So the events of Episode I occurred in the fourth month. As Anakin Skywalker was still nine during Ep. I, we have several options. A.) He was born in 42 BBY. His birthday is after or near the end of the fourth month. B.) He was born in 41 BBY. His birthday is before or near the beginning of the fourth month.

As whoever that person was up there has told me, the .9 of 41.9 BBY means that he was born during the first tenth of the year rather than the last, because with BBY dates, "everything is sorta reversed". That would make sense, I guess, but I don't know for sure if it's true, and I also still have no source for Anakin being born either in 41.9 BBY or in 42 BBY! Does anyone know where it is said that Anakin Skywalker was born in 41.9 BBY?

Also, next to the birthdate in his userbox, it says in parentheses "7BrS:4", which would mean that he was born in the fourth month. What the heck is this doing here? It contradicts everything else! Where's the source for that? Gah! I'm going to lose my mind!

Someone help me, please. --Crazy Jedi Girl 17:12, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * He was turning ten shortly after TPM, which means he was born 41 years and nine months before the battle of Yavin, which is the year 42 BBY. Remember, when you're counting backwards, things are reversed. QuentinGeorge 20:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but that doesn't work! Because then you've got 41 years before the battle of Yavin - 41 BBY - plus nine more months is the first month of 42 BBY. And that wouldn't work, because then he'd already be ten during TPM.

Of course, if you take into account the month in which the battle of Yavin occurred... The Battle of Yavin page lists the date as 35:3, which means it was in the third month...

Okay, I just went and drew out a quick timeline, and 41 years and 9 months before the third month of 0 BBY/ABY would put Anakin's birthdate in the fourth month of 42 BBY. So if it was near the end of the fourth month, this just might work after all!

Thank you so much! That makes it all so much clearer! I finally understand how all this stuff fits together, and doesn't contradict itself after all! Thank you!!!

All right, for anyone who might read this page later, here's what we've discovered in an easy-to-read format: Anakin Skywalker was born in the fourth month of 42 BBY. (And as the events of Ep. I occurred in the fourth month of 32 BBY, Anakin's birthday must be late in the month, because during Ep. I he was still nine.) QuentinGeorge, thank you so much! --Crazy Jedi Girl 21:24, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

We forget
I will keep this simple. In the Ep 3 bonus disc Mr. Lucas says himself that Anakin Skywalker is the Chosen One. That should be entered into the Anakin Skywalker article in the behind the sceens section. If Mr. Lucas says its a certain way, then it is that way. MasterB 07:03, 28 May 2007 (UTC) Yes. I saw it. It should still be inserted in the BTS section for those who dont fully get it. We all know ppl like that. Kinda helps. MasterB 06:44, 30 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, we know. That's why it says in the article that he is the Chosen One. Jasca Ducato undefined 09:43, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Possibly. I think if it's in the article, it may not need to be restated, but under these circumstances... Chack Jadson 22:12, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. Once is enough. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Vader's Rank?
Obviously Imperial troops obey Vader without question, indicating a probable rank above Grand Admiral but if is any indication Vader was officially subordinate to a Grand Moff. Is there any clue as to what rank Vader officially held in the Imperial military?
 * He was Supreme Commander. And FYI, any type of Moff is not part of the military. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:25, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Moffs and Grand Moffs held the positions of Sector Commanders and Priority Sector Commanders, respectively, and commanded the military forces of a sector or priority sector. jSarek 23:45, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
 * True, but Vader would have more control over them in that role. For their governing role, however, Vader wouldn't have control over them. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:48, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

Expressed intrest in taking over?
After turning to the dark side, Anakin told Padame that with the dark side he could become powerful enough to take over and rule the galaxy with her. Also, when confronting Obi Won and Padame, he was quoted as saying this: "I have brought peace, and security, to MY new Empire." FinalWish 02:32, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * And...? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 14:53, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course Anakin wanted to take over!!! He said it to his son during The Empire Strikes back Join me, Luke, and together we will overthrow the emperor and rule the gaxaly or something like that. Joe    5 July 2007

Healing himself
An in-universe explanation provided is that Vader had been using bacta to slowly heal his wounds, thus accounting for the missing scars. Thats not what the Force Healing article states. 24.208.55.168 03:28, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Where does it say he was using Bacta? Every source I've ever seen this mentioned in says he was using the Force.  Jasca Ducato Sith Council 09:56, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

Darth Vader used the force to breathe for a few minutes but i doubt he used it to heal himself. He was a fighting man not a healing one. Even Papatine used Bacta. Joe

Anakin Clones
If Sidious wanted Anakin to have more power, couldn't he just clone him and then move his spirit into the clone? That way, he would be as powerful as he was before! Or Sidious could have cloned an Darth Vader and move his own spirit into the clone to be twice as powerful. And the clone would have all limbs. Sidious already had clones of himself why not Darth Vader. And plus, i dont see the need of a apprentice anyway, SIdious could just keep on cloning himself. JOE
 * 1) Sidious knew Vader would become more powerful than him; therefore, he wouldn't have cloned a pre-suit Anakin. 2) Sith tradition basically states there needs to be a master and an apprentice. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 14:13, 5 July 2007 (UTC)
 * But without all limbs hes was never going to be more powerful. Sith tradition does say that but it doesnt hurt to have the sith to be much more powerful than any other sith. Do you remember the engineer that Sidious kept on killing and making clones of him?
 * Anon, this isn't the place for fan theories or discussions about fan theories. Palpatine didn't clone Anakin; therefore, there is no point in discussing the various perceived causes and effects of a cloned Anakin. --School of Thrawn 101 11:09, 6 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Besides...vader did have a clone. Darth Vader (clone). 24.208.55.168 02:04, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

double photos
someone delete the double photos of burning vader and force ghost

i suck at editing wikipedia, sorry :)
 * Are these images on the article? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:27, 9 July 2007 (UTC)


 * they are removed now.