Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Log/2009 August 1

[18:19]		!hieverybody [18:19]		Hello, CavalierOne, ChanServ, Darth_Culator, Graestan, GrandMoffTranner, GreenTentacle, GT|away, Harrar, and Nuku-Nuku !!! [18:19]		There we go. [18:20]		All right, sit back, relax, and strap it down. White Sox baseball, coming your way. [18:20]		I prefer cricket. [18:20]		Ye Olde Articles first: [18:20]		http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Zayne_Carrick&diff=2690965&oldid=2630405 [18:20]		CavalierOne: I think we're outnumbered. :P [18:20]		kill per Tope's comment on the page and lack of subsequent edits [18:20]		this thing just needs redoing [18:20]		We are, GT :P [18:21]		yeah [18:21]		Kill, kill, kill. [18:21]		one Sox fan > a million other teams' fans [18:21]		Kill. [18:21]		Should have been put out of its misery long ago. [18:21]	<GreenTentacle>	Kill. [18:21]	<Harrar>	typifies the failure for ongoing subjects to have their P&Ts updated, which is a serious concern [18:22]	<Harrar>	Draay and the gang let a Padawan slip through their fingers. The Inqs won't make the same mistake. KILL [18:22]	<Darth_Culator>	Per Harrar and his way with words. [18:22]	<Darth_Culator>	(Some people just... not have way.) [18:22]	<CavalierOne>	He speaky English language good. [18:23]	<GrandMoffTranner>	He speak good. [18:23]	* Graestan	speak-um pidgin one-ah-three timeys better [18:23]	<GrandMoffTranner>	I speaks gooder. [18:23]	<Graestan>	anyhow [18:23]	<Graestan>	He gone. [18:23]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Seha_Dorvald&diff=2679048&oldid=2630364 [18:23]	<Graestan>	keep [18:24]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Keepify. [18:24]	<Darth_Culator>	'Twas updated. No other issues listed. Keep. [18:24]	<GreenTentacle>	Looks goo. Keep. [18:24]	<CavalierOne>	PT needs updating with Outcast info, tho. [18:24]	<GreenTentacle>	*good [18:24]	<Harrar>	intro & P&T need updating for Outcast too... [18:24]	<Harrar>	but that can be done soon, no need to strip [18:24]	<CavalierOne>	Powers and abilities too. [18:24]	<Graestan>	oooo [18:25]	<Graestan>	wait then [18:25]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Oh, yeah... [18:25]	<CavalierOne>	I did the legwork on Octa for her nom - there's a lot of info that can be put there. [18:25]	<GreenTentacle>	Good point. [18:25]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Hmm. Extend probation, then? [18:25]	<GreenTentacle>	Extend it. [18:25]	<Darth_Culator>	Yeah. Extension. [18:25]	<Graestan>	extend probe [18:25]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Extension then. [18:25]	<CavalierOne>	Extension. [18:25]	<Graestan>	damnit [18:25]	<Harrar>	yeah [18:25]	<Graestan>	I'm done trusting people's words on the page [18:25]	<Harrar>	extend [18:26]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Heh [18:26]	<CavalierOne>	I only know this since Seha and Octa share most scenes. [18:26]	<CavalierOne>	I can fix it. [18:26]	<Harrar>	cool I'll find some LOTF quoations too [18:27]	<Graestan>	okay, probe extended [18:27]	<Graestan>	we need to look at this one a bit more closely: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Barpotomous_Drebble&diff=2632363&oldid=2630373 [18:28]	-->|	CC|Away has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [18:28]	=-=	Mode #wookieepedia-inquisitorius +o CC|Away by Nuku-Nuku [18:28]	=-=	Mode #wookieepedia-inquisitorius +o CC|Away by chanserv [18:29]	<Harrar>	how about the fact that in the second intro paragraph, a block of sentences is repeated twice? :P [18:29]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Welcome, newest Inq CC. [18:29]	<CC|Away>	Hey Tranner, everyone. [18:29]	<Graestan>	KILL IT [18:29]	<GrandMoffTranner>	We're reviewing Barpotomous Drebble. [18:29]	<Graestan>	I don'tcare what fixes can be done [18:29]	<GrandMoffTranner>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Barpotomous_Drebble&diff=2632363&oldid=2630373 [18:29]	<Graestan>	that is some seriously sloppy complete bullshit and it needs to die [18:30]	<CavalierOne>	Kill. [18:30]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Killify it. [18:30]	<Darth_Culator>	Alll-righty then. [18:30]	=-=	CC|Away is now known as CC7567 [18:30]	<Harrar>	Kill [18:30]	<GreenTentacle>	Good attempt at fixing it. But it doesn't look like he got everything so kill. [18:30]	<CC7567>	I'd say kill. [18:32]	<Graestan>	okay,he dead [18:32]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Armand_Isard&diff=2657762&oldid=2630375 [18:32]	<Graestan>	this is improved [18:32]	<Graestan>	but I am going to ask Harrar to look :P [18:33]	<Harrar>	now. Acky's Ysanne and 4dot's Armand contradict each other on who killed him, for one thing [18:33]	<Darth_Culator>	Eh, it doesn't really. 4dot's is just less specific. [18:34]	<GreenTentacle>	Per Culator. [18:34]	<Graestan>	noting this [18:35]	<Darth_Culator>	I never really saw much wrong with Armand to begin with. [18:35]	<GreenTentacle>	Our issues have been fixed. [18:35]	<Graestan>	my vote is at Keep although I'd notmind the rumor being mentioned [18:35]	<CavalierOne>	Noted issue are fixed, keep. [18:35]	<Harrar>	well then I'd say it needs more detail. Darknell Operation and Millennium Falcon are lacking [18:35]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Then keep. [18:36]	<Graestan>	CC? [18:36]	<CC7567>	I think I'd better abstain; I have to get more info first. [18:37]	<Graestan>	howmuch is missing from MF? [18:38]	<Harrar>	hard to say, it's just that it's bare bones atm. I'll add some though tomorrow, I don't want his head on a platter or anything [18:39]	<Graestan>	you think we should just keep,then? [18:39]	<GrandMoffTranner>	I don't recall Armand having that big of a role. He only appears on a few pages if I remember correctly. [18:39]	<Harrar>	I think extend probe but if I'm overruled I don't mind. [18:39]	<CC7567>	If there are still issues with it, I just say extend the probe to fix them because the addressed issues are fixed. [18:40]	<GrandMoffTranner>	I say keep - it's not that big of a deal. I can add in the info, if need be. (Just not this week, as I will be on vacation.) [18:40]	<Graestan>	alright, I am changing to extend if it's your recommendation; I sure as heck am not after fixing it [18:40]	<CavalierOne>	I'll go with extend if thats [18:40]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Fine, extend. [18:41]	<CavalierOne>	the recommendation. [18:41]	<Harrar>	I'll give it a helping hand, promise [18:41]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Dass_Jennir&diff=2593128&oldid=2582864 [18:41]	<Graestan>	kill [18:41]	<Graestan>	nothing doing [18:41]	<Darth_Culator>	Kill, per the original writer. [18:41]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Killirize it. [18:42]	<CavalierOne>	Killage. [18:42]	<GreenTentacle>	Kill. No brainer. [18:42]	<CC7567>	Kill. [18:42]	<Harrar>	Kill, he can be fully updated once blue harvest is done, otherwsie this'll just go on and on [18:42]	<Graestan>	per Harrar, certainly [18:43]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Ta%27a_Chume&oldid=2630381 [18:43]	<Graestan>	kill, no work [18:43]	<GreenTentacle>	Same as before. Kill. [18:43]	<CavalierOne>	Kill. [18:43]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Killitize it. [18:43]	<Darth_Culator>	That's a 2006 FA. This is 2009. Kill. [18:44]	<Graestan>	didn't a GIRL write, it though? :P [18:44]	<Harrar>	better yet, destroy her mind and render her comatose [18:44]	<Harrar>	(Kill) [18:44]	<Graestan>	make her into an axlotl tank! [18:44]	<CC7567>	Kill. [18:44]	<Darth_Culator>	Cross-franchise ref FTW! [18:45]	<Graestan>	alright, she dead [18:45]	<Graestan>	Ye Newe Articles now [18:45]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Wyyrlok_(III) [18:45]	<Graestan>	I place this on probation. The P&A was added but as I read it I find POV and possibly speculation. [18:46]	<Darth_Culator>	And a bit more flowery than is justified. Probe. [18:47]	<Graestan>	Wait, that didn't need a P&A [18:47]	<Graestan>	But I still see POV [18:47]	<Harrar>	the P&T has nothing about how he betrayed and killed Krayt etc. Laggy P&Ts are a problem with ongoing characters. Probe this fat sucker [18:47]	<CavalierOne>	Probe. [18:47]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Proberify it. [18:48]	<GrandMoffTranner>	It's missing a few minor details from Legacy 38. [18:48]	<GreenTentacle>	Probe to fix up P&T/P&A. [18:49]	<Graestan>	is probed [18:49]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nyna_Calixte [18:49]	<Graestan>	this one's a right mess [18:49]	<Harrar>	"Do you question my Fa status, Inquisitors?" "Yes, but that is one of my duties as you defined them." [18:49]	<Graestan>	update tag [18:49]	<Graestan>	horrible, horrible pronunciation guide [18:49]	-->|	Toprawa has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [18:49]	=-=	Mode #wookieepedia-inquisitorius +o Toprawa by Nuku-Nuku [18:49]	=-=	Mode #wookieepedia-inquisitorius +o Toprawa by chanserv [18:49]	<GreenTentacle>	The update tag is for a comic that only came out the other day so that's not a big problem. [18:49]	<Darth_Culator>	Probe. Mmm. I'd probe her good. [18:50]	<GreenTentacle>	The pronunciation thing is...interesting. [18:50]	<CavalierOne>	Probify. [18:50]	<Harrar>	oh my unfunny joke is too late. Anyway kill Nyna, she's another example of ongoing comics problems [18:50]	<Darth_Culator>	(That fulfills the required quota of one probe joke per meeting.) [18:50]	<Graestan>	needs a serious copyedit [18:50]	<GreenTentacle>	But that's not enough to probe it. [18:50]	<Graestan>	Toprawa: Calixte [18:50]	<Toprawa>	Kill [18:50]	<Graestan>	I know you had concerns [18:50]	<GreenTentacle>	Copyediting would be. [18:50]	<Graestan>	this is to probe or not [18:50]	<Toprawa>	Probe [18:51]	<Toprawa>	The article does need copy-editing [18:51]	<GreenTentacle>	Anything specific? [18:51]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Proberitize. [18:51]	<Toprawa>	There's a substantial difference between "voice" in that article [18:51]	<Graestan>	it's written very scarily [18:51]	<Graestan>	yes [18:51]	<Toprawa>	meaning one person writes most of it, and then 7 other poeple come along and "update" it [18:51]	<Toprawa>	it's like a giant patchwork quilt of clusterfuckery [18:51]	<Graestan>	"Back at Calixte's apartment, outside her refresher, Veed discussed with her the reports of Cade's escape from the Sith temple and the Sith's anger because of it" [18:51]	<GreenTentacle>	Probably because it's half StarNeptune, half Greyman. [18:51]	<Toprawa>	no [18:51]	<Graestan>	that is a hard sentence to read without stopping to think [18:51]	<Toprawa>	I refer to the noob half of the article [18:51]	<Toprawa>	not Greyman and Star [18:51]	<GreenTentacle>	Ah. [18:52]	<Toprawa>	what they have done is fine [18:52]	<Toprawa>	but random people come along and try to update it [18:52]	<Toprawa>	and it loses its quality [18:52]	<GreenTentacle>	True. [18:52]	<Toprawa>	Which is my reason for probe [18:52]	<Darth_Culator>	I am acutely aware of this phenomenon. [18:52]	<GreenTentacle>	Then probe her. [18:52]	|<--	Harrar has left irc.freenode.net ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") [18:52]	<GrandMoffTranner>	Gotta go. Grae will have my votes. [18:53]	<Graestan>	Tranner votes to kill all females [18:53]	<GrandMoffTranner>	What have I done? [18:53]	|<--	GrandMoffTranner has left irc.freenode.net ("And that's the way it is.") [18:53]	<Toprawa>	If we're still probing things, I have one more to put on the agenda at the last minute, if that's fine. [18:54]	-->|	Harrar has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [18:54]	=-=	Mode #wookieepedia-inquisitorius +o Harrar by Darth_Culator [18:54]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wolf_Sazen [18:54]	<Harrar>	sorry guys I was lagging for ages then it bugged me out [18:54]	<Graestan>	Needs a P&A [18:54]	<Graestan>	the guy fought with one damn arm [18:54]	<CavalierOne>	Probe. [18:54]	<Graestan>	also, needs to be looked over for speculative wording [18:54]	<Darth_Culator>	And it should be worded exactly like that in the article. [18:54]	<Graestan>	"He was quite contemplative, spending much of his time meditating and thinking about the future" [18:54]	<Graestan>	Comic books don't usually make such ultimate statements. [18:55]	<Darth_Culator>	"Wolf Sazen was able to fight proficiently with one damn arm." [18:55]	<Toprawa>	Only a Sith deals in absolutes? [18:55]	<Graestan>	They show him meditating, that doesn't mean he spends a majority of his time doing so. [18:55]	<Harrar>	it's in the second paragraph of the P&T, acky didn't think that this merited a slimline P&A [18:55]	<Toprawa>	It doesn't show him using any other Force power? [18:55]	<Graestan>	I disagree [18:56]	<Harrar>	though more may have come to light, there's no point probing over a missing P&A heading [18:56]	<CavalierOne>	The CG would have added more powers he was capable of using. [18:56]	<Graestan>	CG indeed [18:56]	<GreenTentacle>	Yeah. [18:56]	<Harrar>	okay true [18:58]	<Darth_Culator>	Dead air. Um. Dead air. [18:58]	<Graestan>	yeah, yeah [18:58]	<Graestan>	probe it is [18:58]	<Graestan>	Agenda items: [18:58]	<Graestan>	"Tutorials. Come on people. Chack Jadson (Talk) 19:38, 19 July 2009 (UTC) " [18:59]	<Toprawa>	Wait [18:59]	<Darth_Culator>	Wait, Top had one. [18:59]	<Graestan>	Here's what I have to sayL [18:59]	<Toprawa>	I have one to add. [18:59]	<Graestan>	Write your own damn tutorial. [18:59]	<Toprawa>	Firmus Piett is severely lacking in information from "Scoundrel's Luck," a choose-your-own-adventure book [18:59]	<Toprawa>	CSWE has officially canonized the "right" path through the book [19:00]	<Toprawa>	Relevant information can be found in Executor at present [19:00]	<Toprawa>	At the very least, the portion of the bio should be expanded, and non-canon paths should be detailed in the BTS [19:00]	<Graestan>	hang on while my browser loads Executor :P [19:00]	<Toprawa>	that portion* [19:00]	<Darth_Culator>	It has? Neat. [19:00]	<CavalierOne>	Per Culator. [19:00]	<Graestan>	it's like the Spaceball One crawl, loading this page [19:01]	<Toprawa>	I vote to probe on that missing information. [19:01]	<Toprawa>	I can show whomever what pages need to be looked at should they want to update it [19:01]	<Harrar>	okay per Toprawa [19:01]	<CavalierOne>	Probe per Top. [19:01]	<Graestan>	alright, probe it is [19:01]	<GreenTentacle>	Top's the expert. Probe. [19:02]	<Darth_Culator>	Tis probed. Moving on. [19:03]	<Graestan>	okay, back to Tutorials item [19:03]	<Graestan>	like I said, write your own if you want them [19:03]	<Graestan>	I may or may not get back to mine, but I already have valuable stuff there [19:03]	<GreenTentacle>	Meh. The idea was to encourage more people to write FAs. [19:03]	<GreenTentacle>	That's hardly an issue now. [19:04]	<Harrar>	that's the last thing we need! :P [19:04]	<Graestan>	considering I disagree with content in two of the others, I don't really care for the whole idea anymore anyhow [19:04]	<CavalierOne>	I don't think we have a problem in that regard, [19:04]	<Toprawa>	It wouldn't kill me to see the whole thing scrapped. [19:04]	<Toprawa>	In an official sense, anyway [19:04]	<Toprawa>	We can still write them [19:04]	<Toprawa>	at our leisure, etc. [19:04]	<Graestan>	Yeah. [19:04]	<GreenTentacle>	I'm happy to keep them there. [19:05]	<CavalierOne>	Ditto. [19:05]	<GreenTentacle>	But it's not the end of the world if people don't add to them. [19:05]	<Graestan>	We should place essay templates, though. [19:05]	<GreenTentacle>	And per Grae. [19:05]	<Toprawa>	Template would be good. [19:05]	<Harrar>	per GT [19:05]	<Graestan>	They do not represent the whole site, not even mine, even though it's the best. :P [19:06]	<Harrar>	Okay then what's next? [19:07]	<Graestan>	"Inquisitorius Conference: I have an idea which I think could help speed some of the noms off the page, but it will take a short spurt of dedication by the majority of our body. I'll explain more at the Inqmoot. " [19:07]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Jedimasterfiolli/Inq [19:07]	<GreenTentacle>	Dedication? I'm unfamiliar with this concept. :P [19:07]	<Toprawa>	Also, reading? [19:07]	<Toprawa>	I was told there would be no reading involved in this meeting. [19:07]	<Graestan>	Yeah, Fiolli can propose this later. [19:07]	<Graestan>	In my opinion. [19:08]	<Harrar>	I find this idea quite charming, it's like a parent's evening [19:08]	<Graestan>	majority + dedication = oxymoron, also [19:08]	<CavalierOne>	From what I've read, I, personally, may find it hard to commit the time to this. [19:08]	<Toprawa>	yeah, per Cav [19:08]	<Toprawa>	Signing up for any hard time would not be great for me. [19:09]	<Toprawa>	My availability is far from static [19:09]	<GreenTentacle>	Per Top. [19:09]	<CavalierOne>	Same here. [19:09]	<Graestan>	I could swing it, maybe, but yeah, not soon [19:09]	<Graestan>	I have body parts to have removed first [19:09]	<GreenTentacle>	Don't you like being a guy? :P [19:10]	<Harrar>	true, if we can only get half muster on inq meetings then for deadlines like this it would be hard, though I think the idea is very initiativevive [19:10]	<Harrar>	...there goes my vaunted wordpower :P [19:10]	<Toprawa>	The Inq has revered for inventing new words. :) [19:10]	<Toprawa>	is* [19:11]	<Harrar>	I do think getting people to go over articles on IRC saves mucho time though [19:11]	<Harrar>	not that I've ever done it [19:11]	<GreenTentacle>	It's my preferred method of giving feedback. [19:11]	<GreenTentacle>	And getting it. [19:11]	<Toprawa>	It's a nice way to do it, but again, I'm not signing up for a set schedule I know I won't probably even adhere to [19:12]	<Harrar>	hmm. there really aren't many links to IRC on the FAN page/linky-things [19:12]	<CavalierOne>	My time, especially at the weekend, is not set in stone, even setting aside time differences. [19:12]	<Harrar>	some nominators maybe aren't that keyed into it as an option [19:12]	<Toprawa>	The only way I would do this would be for my long overdue paycheck to arrive in the mail. [19:12]	<CavalierOne>	With bonus. [19:13]	<Toprawa>	And the promise of more paychecks to continue arriving [19:13]	<Graestan>	I never got a paycheck for Wookieepedia but I got one hell of a bonus. [19:13]	<Graestan>	Anyhow, meeting adjourned. [19:13]	<Graestan>	SOX WIN