Talk:Ysanne Isard/Archive1

Existential state
What source states that Isard was captured rather than killed? --Demented Smiloid 17:12, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)


 * While improving the main Wikipedia's article on Isard, I stumbled upon the SW Databank article which states that she died at the end of Isard's Revenge, which is precisely what I had thought. I've corrected the article. --Maru 13:04, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Reread Isard's Revenge. Stackpole has a habit of killing off his Star Wars characters only to later reveal their not dead. However, here the reveal is something the folks writing the databank didn't figure out because he drops the clues but never the physical reveal. Iella Wessiri corner's her in her own quarters on the Lusankya and tells her that instead of killing her, she's going to lock her away in a private cell aboard her own ship where the only beings she'll ever see are the droids that will bring her her food. Then Isard moves to stop that from happening only to get shot and we see her "death" through her own eyes. Yet if we merely go by death through someone's eyes in Stackpole's Star Wars book, then Corran should have died in Rogue Squadron, The Bacta War, and Onslaught as in all three cases he believes he is dieing but is later proved wrong.

There was more than enough time for medical assistance to be brought in. Moreover, pay attention to where she was shot, the stomach. This can indeed be fatal, but it is more likely to be less fatal than a shot somewhere else. But the real clues come at the very end of the book. Corran mentions an area of the ship where only droids can go and Illea is suddenly coughing into her hand before giving an explination. Stackpole's already laid the first set of clues and now he's reinforcing those earlier clues.
 * Well, as of now, Isard is dead. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 11:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Can we assume that Ysanne Isard's surname was pronounced "eye-sard" to make "Iceheart" a homonymic pun? --SparqMan 03:54, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd completely agree. Wow. Must be six years since I read Rogue Squadron, I've read it again and again and never got that. I've just been saying Izzard. Nick Fel 20:59, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

please add
needs "Behind the scenes" and first appearence. --UVnet 09:07, 2 February 2006 (UTC)

Evasive action pic

 * I don't think I've ever seen Isard without a scowl on her face. Come to think of it, the picture with the smile is one of the most distrubing things I've ever seen from Star Wars. I don't know why. -- SFH 15:10, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It burns!!! Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:58, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Can't argue with that. TIEPilot051999 20:01, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Aw, what an adorable future oppressive genocidal dictator... - Lord Hydronium 00:58, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * She's such a cutie... QuentinGeorge 06:36, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * "Aw, what an adorable future oppressive genocidal dictator..." You can say that again. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:47, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Although such a shame to be turning grey at an early age.YIIMM 19:54, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * But she did think a certain Jedi was cute. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:05, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * That is probably the most adorable thing ever seen in the Star Wars universe (it's between li'l Ysanne here, and Snowball). I actually made a userbox... You all can take that if you want, I don't mind. Cute Ysanne for all! Rodtheanimegod4ever 02:45, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Text at beginning of article
For the sake of a situation at hand, you'll note that Isard's childhood image size of 150 pixels causes the text at the beginning to the article to do strange things, such as what the image shows. Recently, as can be shown in the article's history, the image size was reduced to 130 pixels in order to fix the text issue. User Jack Nebulax, though, decided that the image for him was "too small" and he did not like it, so it was changed back to the 150 pixels despite the efforts of another user (and I am not referring to myself). The issue of the text remains and since it was cited that I had not made a complete complaint about it, here it is. I am not asking to fix this for my sake or because I don't like it, but for the article's aesthetic and readability levels.--SOCL 22:33, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll change it, then. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 22:52, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Beaten With an Ugly Stick?
Where is that pic of her as a youngling from? It looks to me like a piece of 8-year old fan art. No offense. --Quidon88 14:43, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Click on the image. It lists the source.  -Finlayson
 * Why don't you check before you complain next time? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:19, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Do we know how old she was in that picture?--SOCL 15:12, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say under ten standard years old. I have no clue what her actual age was at the time. It would be helpful if we knew when she was born. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 15:13, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * First: Yes, but I prefer having it the way it is. Second: Plase don't post in the middle of a discussion. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:49, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter anyway, now. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:33, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry. The reason I ask it because, if we cna pinpoint how old she was in the picture, which was in 19 BBY, then we pinpoint what year she was born.--SOCL 20:46, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, we can't, and it wouldn't be a canon birth year. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:51, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, we don't, but how would it not be canon? If we had canon evidence that said she was [given age] in [given year], wouldn't it be logical to find a canon answer to her birth year?--SOCL 03:42, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * If we guessed at her age, it wouldn't be canon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 11:15, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, you've misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about guessing, but finding it by a process of simple mathematics.  Again, if we have a canon source that told us how old she was at a given date, we could then do some simple subtraction and find out during what year she was born.  That's not guessing.  That's why I ask, do we have a source as to how old she was in the picture?--SOCL 15:10, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * None that I know of. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 17:07, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Title
Any particular reason her succession box lists her as "Galactic Empress", while the article (correctly, I believe) states she was only a Stewardess? Nick Fel 20:57, 26 July 2006 (UTC)

Rewording

 * Whilst she was officially (in an in-universe sense) killed by Iella, it is theorised and strongly implied in X-wing: Isard's Revenge that she actually survived, and was imprisoned for life in the bow of Lusankya. This is not verified by any canon source, but seems highly likely in context.

When I first looked at this article, I never would have thought I would have found this in the main section. First, it should have been written in the proper tense Second, it did not seem NPOV. Thirdly, there's no plausible explanation to make it belong in the body of the article. Fourthly, Stackpole does not always kill off his characters and bring them back to life. It happened to mainly to Corran and once to Isard. Actually, after re-reading Isard's Revenge, the final pages are from Isard's point of view, and she dies. The reasoning about being shot in the "stomach" is flawed- one "stomach" is a general area, two, watch Episode IV and V some time and see how many people die from being shot in the "stomach." So I put it in a BTS section and changed some of the wording. So if there are any complaints about it, please address them to me. Atarumaster88  ( Audience Chamber ) 03:55, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yet Gavin took a blaster bolt to the stomach in the first book of the series, and he survived. Naked stomach, too. No armor to reduce the bolt's power, no nothing. So it is possible that she survived. -- Andorin Kato  This    That  20:42, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No, it's not. Numerous sources other than Isard's Revenge (off the top of my head, the NEC and the NEGTC, IIRC) establish that she died. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 07:16, 27 May 2008 (UTC)

Numerous sources would have confirmed that Isard died after "The bacta war" also but we all know now that she survived. The fact is there are a lot of clues and innuendo at the end of Isards revenge, concerning her fate. There always is a possibility that she survived. In actual fact there is nothing but circumstantial evidence to prove that she 'died' aboard lusankya. Basically the argument shouldn't be "did she survive" it should be "did she die" in my opinion theres enough reasonable doubt to recognise the possibility of survival and thus the inclusion of the statement; Is justified --Imperator Invictus 05:45, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Whilst she was officially (in an in-universe sense) killed by Iella, it is theorised and strongly implied in X-wing: Isard's Revenge that she actually survived, and was imprisoned for life in the bow of Lusankya. This is not verified by any canon source, but seems highly likely in context.
 * No it isn't. Get a statement from Stackpole that he purposely implied it and you can include it. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 10:54, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Fair enough, maybe from an 'in universe perspective' she is officially classed as dead, although since when is ambiguity taken as conclusive proof? But why not add to the 'behind the scenes' section the statement in dispute? People should be allowed to draw their own conclusions for the very reasons i stated in my last post, after all there are enough hints from the book to justify it, besides telling me to get a statement from stackpole is hardly helpful-nor a realistic undertaking... --Imperator Invictus 06:56, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

As an afterthought, placing a statement or similar in the Behind the Scenes section does not change the official canon classification of Isard being dead. Referencing the statements in the book that give us clues as to the possibility of her survival, merely inform the reader of the facts (as written in Isards Revenge), and asks them to draw their own conclusion. Clearly he purposely implied it otherwise why leave the statements there in the first place? --Imperator Invictus 07:01, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Fan-theories don't go in BtSes. Especially when they categorically contradict canon. Until it gets official recognition or Stackpole says it was intentional, it stays out. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 21:01, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm not asking for a fan theory to be incorporated... I am asking for the passages from the book to be included in BtSes, as an interesting fact, allowing the audience to draw their own conclusion. I don't know how much clearer I can put this. They are in the book. Therefore it is relevant to the article. Which in turn means there is no realistic reason why it cannot be incorporated into BtSes. I'm interested to see someonelse's opinion on this... --Imperator Invictus 07:56, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Isard, one of Palpatine's lovers?
I see there's a small passage in the "rise to power" section mentioning this. What is the source? (Not that I dispute it, seeing as Palps had concubines even, but just in case it's fanon). VT-16 13:48, 21 October 2006 (UTC)


 * X-wing: Isard's Revenge, X-wing: The Bacta War, and maybe a couple other of those books. It would take an author as crazy as Michael Stackpole to be the first to give Palpatine a lover! Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 15:55, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow. I've heard he had concubines as well, some of whom were killed when the NR stormed the Palace during the Liberation of Coruscant. That's enough to make your eyes bleed just from thinking about it. :S Thanks, though. VT-16 17:12, 21 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Was that really the actual claim? I was under the impression that she was in love with Palpatine. There's a difference. Evir Daal 09:30, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Isard was said to have been one of the Emperor's women, and she also told Corran Horn that she was attracted to him for his power. . . I don't really think Isard was really capable of "love"- just greed. I mean, she killed her own father. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 14:56, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. But I still don't remember her make the claim stated in the article. That was just a rumour. Evir Daal 08:33, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No, she pretty much states it in Isard's Revenge- I'd give you a page # but I don't have it with me right now. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 16:16, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You're right. I checked the passage, and she did state it. Thanks. Evir Daal 08:41, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 16:47, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I know I'm a bit late, but didn't Isard say (in Isard's Revenge) that she believed the man she loved would have known immediately if she died? I know that she had a lot of faith in the Emperor's abilities, but he's far from omniscient. It seems to me like that kind of knowledge would imply a two-way connection--some degree of reciprocation, however limited Palpatine's capacity for that might be. (Say it with me now: Eeeeeewwww. http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/26.gif) -- Darth Culator  (Talk)(TINC) 22:16, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think I can stomach the thought of Palpatine's capacity for love. And Isard was, as is typical with many human females, in some sense a deluded lover- meaning she thought she was everything to the Emperor just because he meant a whole ton to her. The delusion is obvious just by her choice of men . . . er, whatever. Eeeeeeewww. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 00:19, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

Eye Connection?
Sorry if did this wrong; I'm new here. But don't Isard, and Darth Krayt both have blue and red eyes? I'm most likely wrong, because I know one of Krayt's is cybernetic, or I at least heard it on here. Could there be a connection? Some trait? Vladius Magnum21:15, 2 November, 2006


 * You're fine. Our article on Darth Krayt has his other eye as orange as opposed to red. It's possible that there is a connection, but there's a greater possibility that there is no connection. In other words, it just hasn't been discussed. We don't know, but until something definitive is established we have to say no. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 02:25, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

Thanks.--Vladius Magnum

Inspired by?
Is'nt Iceheart very similar to Diana in the V miniseries? They even wear the same uniform (well, almost...). Evir Daal 21:05, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Scrollbox
Scroll boxes were voted to be acceptable for use with longer Appearance and Sources lists. Why do you keep removing them, Ackbar? -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 16:54, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Basically, I just don't like them. They look bad and are annoying. Obviously I've no problem when they're used on articles like Luke Skywalker or whoever, but I do not think it's necessary here. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 16:56, 3 March 2008 (UTC)