Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Gobee


 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a featured article nomination that was successful. Please do not modify it.

Gobee

 * Nominated by: -- —Tommy9281 [[Image:Red lightsaber.png|20px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 11:29, 16 September 2008 (UTC)


 * Nomination comments: Oron Kira wasn’t the only badass Beast Rider.

(5 Inqs/0 Users/5 Total)
Support
 * 1)  Greyman ( Talk ) 18:57, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 2)  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  23:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 3)  Graestan ( Talk ) 02:36, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Cull Tremayne 12:32, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Thefourdotelipsis 06:04, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) From Greyman:
 * 2) * Since I know you love longer introductions, hah, I'm going to suggest that you lengthen that intro a bit (within reason!) and add a bit more. This article is substantially longer than another which you've written, and it has a tiny intro! :P Any chance you could expand it a little bit, Tom?
 * 3) **LOL, and addressed.
 * 4) * I know some people like to say the lead quote doesn't matter and that quotes are subjective...but, I like to see the opposite side of that fence; any chance we could get a more descriptive selection for the lead quote at the beginning? Something that speaks to Gobee's character, or personality, rather than what's there currently? I'm on the edge with this one, so if you're not comfortable with changing, just let me know and I'll strike regardless.
 * 5) **Addressed.
 * 6) *I haven't finished reading it yet, but if there's anything else in the coming days that I can't fix, I'll let you know :) Greyman ( Talk ) 13:26, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) **Again, it is my pleasure. Thank you, and I await your further review. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Red lightsaber.png|20px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 06:09, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) * Ok, round 2 (this should be it): Upon reading the section "The Naddists' return," I noticed that you use the events laid out in the audio drama. As with some of your other FANs/FAs you know that there is a conflict in regards to what actually happens&mdash;the audio drama, for the part pertaining the FNU, says one thing about the battle with Null and the events after it, while the FNU comics say something different. In this article you use the events from the audio drama which state that Jeth is aware of Ommin and follows the ground-borer in the tunnel to track down Ommin. However, in the comics Galia says that Jeth should seek out her father who is sick, and Jeth believes that Ommin's help is the key to defeating the dark side. I'd like to see either a) some sort of middle-ground written with regards to this event, and any others in this section that need it, or b) keep it as it is, slap the "conflicting sources" template at the top with the appropriate sources, and then slap some ref tags on the conflicting events explaining the "other side" of the coin...or, to be precise, what happened in the comic. Actually, regardless of what you decide to do, the "conflicting sources" template should really be at the top anyways. Likewise, the conflicting information should also be addressed, either way you do it, in the BtS in a few detailed paragraphs. I understand the problem because if you tweak the actual article info too much, then you run the risk of causing confusion over what Gobee's role (and resulting events) were. However, I feel that it should be made known, somehow, that there are conflicting sources out there!
 * 9) **Addressed.
 * 10) * In the "Personality and traits" section, any chance of getting a few more examples of how he was a good soldier, etc. etc?
 * 11) **Addressed.
 * 12) * Per above, for the "Abilities" section I think it would be best if the reader had some examples that speak to Gobee's "espionage" talents, and his abilities as a "capable leader." Likewise, I think it would be beneficial if there were some specific examples where he kicked ass using the various fighting-talents you mention, with both blaster(s) and knives. Lastly, you mention at the start that he is capable of flying the Drexl, so some examples (or just one) could be used there too. Other than these few things, good article, Tommy. Greyman ( Talk ) 13:33, 2 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) **Addressed. Thanks for the read, Grey. It is both what the teacher teaches, and what the student learns. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Red lightsaber.png|20px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 18:37, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) ***No problemo. Greyman ( Talk ) 18:57, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Image:Seeker-torpedo launcher.jpg is very low quality. Re-scan it. --Imperialles 10:21, 14 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) *Addressed. Thank you for your IRC assistance, Imperialles. If anything else is required, please advise. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Red lightsaber.png|20px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 12:45, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) The audio drama is an adaptation, not an alternate and conflicting source. There really is no need for a template; a mention in the BtS is sufficient. Graestan ( Talk ) 02:04, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) *Removed. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Red lightsaber.png|20px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 02:35, 2 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) From the Editor-in-Chief:
 * 5) * In the intro, please be more specific about the origins of the Beast Riders&mdash;how they came together from survivors of the exiles. As is, it seems you describe a group of people exiled together.
 * 6) **Added a little, and slightly changed the wording around. Should be good now.
 * 7) * The origin and nature of the Beast Riders needs to be included in the beginning of the bio.
 * 8) **Addressed, I believe.
 * 9) * Referring to the people of Iziz as "civilized" is a bit of a POV statement about them and the Beast Riders.
 * 10) **Addressed.
 * 11) * Does "Beast Warrior Commando" need to be capitalized thus? Is it established as an official title for a unit? The answer to this will help me decide what to do about the article in question, as well.
 * 12) **I believe so. It seemed to be capitalized in the comics (though everything seems capitalized in the comics), and it definitely appears as the official title for the unit in BWOO.
 * 13) * Same goes for "Royal Protector." To be fair, "Beast Rider army" follows the precedent I am trying to enforce.
 * 14) **I hear you. The Royal Protectors were specifically designated, but as for capitalization, ditto my answer above. If you feel that they should be lower cased, however, advise me and I will do so.
 * 15) * If Gobee first appeared in the comics, regardless of where he was first named, that is his first appearance. The appearance list reflects this, but the BtS states otherwise.
 * 16) **Addressed.
 * 17) * Graestan ( Talk ) 19:23, 5 November 2008 (UTC)
 * 18) **Appreciate the review, Grae. Please advise if anything further is required. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Red lightsaber.png|20px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 01:28, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Using "Oron Kira" every time you mention him is very much a flaw of the source material that we don't really need here. :P Unless there's some really good reason for doing so. Also, the reveal that the raid was actually planned by Galia or whatever shouldn't be a "reveal" after the fact - since you're working from Gobee's perspective, it's not a secret to him, is it? Also, I would disagree with Graestan on the point of the use "Two conflicting" template&mdash;it is an adaptation, true, but it is an adaptation on the same tier of canon as that which it is adapting, unlike a novelization of a film. I'd like to see it back up there, as the audio drama clearly doesn't jive with the comic at all on the subject of Gobee. Mainly, the purpose of that template is to make sure readers are immediately aware that some of what they're reading may not be true in the face of other content. Thefourdotelipsis 23:56, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Replaced the template, removed some of the "Orons", and reworded the raid-masquerade bit. See if the last two are to your liking, and if not, I'll try again. Appreciate the review, Fourdot. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Dark Side Master TotG.jpg|17px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 05:39, 18 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Just to make sure I'm clear here&mdash;not trying to undermine Graestan's objection here or anything, and I'm open to dialogue on the matter, but the template is pretty much built for exactly these circumstances. :) I'd probably still prefer the info about planning the raid to be placed before the raid itself, but it's no biggie, and not really objectionable. Thefourdotelipsis 06:04, 18 November 2008 (UTC)

Comments


 * No sources for this guy. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Red lightsaber.png|20px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 11:13, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Any change to get some ogg files of this guy's dialogue? --Eyrezer 21:04, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I will attempt, Eyr. It would be a good thing. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Red lightsaber.png|20px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 17:59, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Why do we know that this specific bald guy is Gobee? If it's because he has the same dialogue in the comic as he does in the audio drama, then that should probably be noted in the BtS. If it's not, then just a few sentences on how we know what character in the comic that the audio drama is trying to represent. Cull Tremayne 12:32, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the review Cull. Addressed, I believe, and it is for the reason you stated. Check that out, and if it's not clean enough please feel free to reword it. I was having a tough time trying to manage the phrasing. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Dark Side Master TotG.jpg|20px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 17:04, 15 November 2008 (UTC)