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Episode 1
Where in The Phantom Menace does Xizor appear?
 * Apparently on the skydock that Amidala's cruiser is parked on. I haven't seen him myself, but that is what I heard. -- SFH 15:06, 26 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * This should be removed unless an image can be shown to prove this. The best I could find on google about this was something about Boba Fett and Xizor micromachines used during the Q-Tip stadium scene during the podrace. I'm taking this out for now. If someone finds proof please put it back in.--DannyBoy7783 17:04, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Wow, I didn't know he was in Episode I...
 * Micro Machines figures were used to populate the Podrace arena, along with Q-tips, as mentioned above. However, this likely means Xizor himself can't be considered to have attended the race, yet it's stated that he did in the article. Do we have any canon source that actually places him there? - Kwenn 15:10, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that the fact that his likeness appears at all in TPM makes it canon. Adamwankenobi 15:26, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Today's (Jan 5 2007) Q&A question on the Official Site deals with this. It opens in Flash, so I can't link directly to it. However, here is the text: "Q: Did Prince Xizor appear in The Phantom Menace? A: Not really. Filling out the stands of the massive Mos Espa Grand Arena model photographed at ILM were dozens of tiny Star Wars Micro-Machine figures, including several of Prince Xizor, but they are way too small to be visible in the movie." On the one hand, it'd be nice to leave it, just for completeness; my earlier clarification "It is believed that...", in addition to the BTS at the bottom, may be adequate to place it into context. However, if we follow this logic consistently, we also need to include X-wing pilot, Luke from ROTJ, etc.--not to mention several clones of Xizor! Perhaps we should take it out of the article and leave it in the BTS only?--Valin Kenobi 03:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

It would be a tough film if he is in it, but I don't think it would be a major character, not until the Empire's time, the Black SUn isn't a major annoyance to the Galatic Republic, and I could tell that some Jedi don't even knew about the Black SUn--Master Chief Petty Officer 14:09, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The SW Databank says Xizor is not in Episode I, in fact it says NO Falleen are in Episode I. Debate Over? (if it's an Easter Egg it would still be on SW Databank like Outrider wouldn't it?) GMo 20:57, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Just a friendly FYI, the Databank is not infallible when it comes to thoroughness. Many articles haven't been updated in literally years and are hopelessly out of date.--Valin Kenobi 21:45, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah I understand that, but it has been updated pretty well since Episode I came out. I think in this case it's a reliable source. -GMo 00:23, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Can anyone post a screenshot?--Vandar Tokare42 06:34, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

Leader of Black Sun
According to the Evasive Action: Prey synopsis, it implies that Xizor was the leader of Black Sun at the start of Emperor Palpatine's reign. I would genuinely be surprised if he wasn't a member of Black Sun at the time, but not being a member of Hyperspace, and having little knowledge of the Dark Prince outside Shadows of the Empire and The New Essential Guide to Characters, I ask the question: when did Xizor become the leader of Black Sun? -- SFH 23:53, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Read Evasive Action again. Xizor : My ascension to Black Sun Vigo is in motion.. If he's not even a Vigo, he's definately not Black Sun ledaer. QuentinGeorge 02:48, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The new strip states he's currently head of XTS and a Black Sun captain. And also, it says he's from House Sizhran. Am I reading it wrong, or have we just been given his last name? Xizor Sizhran? - Kwenn 07:28, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Who Ever changed the main pic
well done, the old one was no good and this is spot on. Cool Joker1138 ( Mandalore )

Death?
Is it just me or do we have "official" conformation of Xizor's demise? When one of his men called for him asking what they should do with Vader attacking, he didn't respond. Doesn't that mean that there is a possibility that he is indeed alive? He might have been able to get to an escape pod in time before Vader destroyed his hangar, waiting in the shadows for his revenge? Actually, that would be a good book!!! Someone should write that! I don't think we should have Deceased as his status, but Presumed deceased. I will put that on here unless you think otherwise. Supergeeky1 10:55, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Since Shadows of the Empire was published, 11 real-world years have elapsed, along with 100+ years of in-universe history. This is more than enough time for him to have come back for revenge. It hasn't happened, and there's no reason to think it ever will.--Valin Kenobi 14:39, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Xizor is pretty much dead, unless an author wants to write something prior to "Shadows of the Empire." Xizor was a great character, and we all hated to see him go just as much as we did Mace Windu, but let's face it, He's dead.  White bishop 18:32, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * In the end of the SOTE novel it says the following:"Are we certain he is dead?"-Vader, "I don't see how he could have survived. I watched his skyhook blown to bits."-Emperor. So given the fact that he did not answer and the fact that Vader did not know, I would say that it is unknown that he died. So I am going to put that in the article.
 * Someone removed it. I say we put it back in. I'll put it back right now! Supergeeky1 21:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I guess you can look at it that way. But I look at it as this:  No author has written anything for him for roughly, ohh... 11 years now?  What's that say about a character that no one has touched for over a decade?  He's dead.  And if he did manage to survive, do you really think that Vader wouldn't be searching the Holonet for any sighting of him?  Plus do you really think he could mask himself from Vader?  He's not even Force-sensitive, if Xizor was still alive, Vader would know, and he would hunt him down and finish the job.

Xizor is dead. White bishop 19:54, 20 April 2007 (UTC) Xizor attempted to make a Tibanna gas run and hired Tyber Zann to do it. However, Zann recognized Xizor's plans as a trap, as Bespin at the time was personally controlled by Darth Vader. Tyber proceeded to plant evidence leading the Empire to believe that Xizor himself did it. Zann's plan was successful and Thrawn personally told Tyber that Xizor was dead. Quinlanfan 00:41, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Where does the following info come from?
 * Star Wars: Empire at War: Forces of Corruption. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 13:56, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

voice
I have had the SOTE game for the N64 and there is no talking in it. Why does it say that someone played his voice? Is there an option where you can turn the talking on? I am confused.
 * Are there any sorts of vocalizations? Perhaps grunts.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocronSith_Emblem.svg 20:55, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That was only the PC version. I feel kinda dissipointed that N64 version did not have any voice, I was really looking forward to hearing him.  Maybe we could get an audio clip of him from the PC one? Supergeeky1 21:47, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That would be nice, and some gold braclets would be nice. Quinlanfan 00:32, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find the right audio cable, but I have an audio clip of Xizor speaking from my video camera. I read this post and I had to pop in the old CD-ROM and try it out for you guys. Sorry about the quality, but here it is: Xizor.wav I think he sounds pretty cool, fun game too! LimeiBook86

Women???
In the SOTE novel Xizors was thinking that in all of his life(100 something years) that Leia was the most attractive woman of all. How han that be possible? I can think of about 20 people that are hotter than leia! Look at Guri! She is one of the most good looking people in star wars! Was she even capeable of having a relationship? Or be in love? Quinlanfan 22:15, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

1: Guri's a droid, and 2: Xizor may just be in love with Leia. Greivous the Champion 15:11, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It's called personal preference, Quinlanfan. I, personally, think Guri looks hideous and find this picture to be comical. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 15:28, 24 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Additionally, "attractive" doesn't always equate to "physically attractive." Not only does Leia have the looks, but she's powerful, prestigious, and has a defiant personality, traits that someone like Xizor would find intriguing in a way that a droid programmed to follow his every order wouldn't be. jSarek 15:38, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation
Isn't the pronunciation given the incorrect one Xizor executed his chair for using? Evir Daal 09:27, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * come again? GMo 04:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, in SOTE, Xizor does comment that his chair -and some other device, I don't recall the one- both utter his name incorrectly as "Sheezor" I believed the name would be pronounced as "Zee-Zore"
 * The chair only slurred his name. See page 12 of SOTE novel. It slurs his name to sound like "Prince ShEEEzor". At any rate, I believe the correct pronuciation would be SHE-zor. But that's just my humble belief. As for the ther device, I can't help you with that one. I'm not going to reread the book anytime soon, and it doesn't mention it on page 12. If I do find something, I'll be sure to help you out. --LtCol. JuiceStain 21:27, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

in his theme song (which is awesome btw and should be in more games that feature Black Sun) a voice over choir says "Sheeezzoooorrrr" in a low, slow chant almost like a montra, so i beleive Juicestain is right.

For pronunciation, I went to the etymology. His name is derived from his claws. It is derived from "excisor" (ex-sy-zer), meaning a claw or cutter. You may also recognize it from "excision". In words that start with "X", the "X" is often pronounced with a very short "e-", like "eX" or "z". So the name ends up sounding like ikzyzer or zyzer. The computer likely mispronounced his name because it can't accurately pronounce the "X". The vowel is also pronounced wrong, because the author made a point to turn it into a long "ee". So, considering that, and considering the etymology, "Zi-zer" or "ex-i-zer" is probably what was meant by the author (Have you considered asking him?). When I heard friends of mine on a podcast saying "Sheezer", I was crawling up the wall. It is WRONG. So I figured I should check the pronunciation here before saying anything and low and behold this must be where they got it, and here in the discussion people aren't even sure. I am sure. "Sheezor" is wrong. Go with a "Zy" or an "exi", but don't go with "Shee". "Sh" is a part of the slur. If it wasn't, the author would have only focused on the "ee" while retaining the "X".--Corjay 07:50, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

For lack of discussion, I went ahead and made the change. As an additional argument, it is likely that the song that is alluded to above comes from the faulty pronunciation in the book, and is therefore not a reliable source, especially since it is a fan-based work. Until a source can be provided to the contrary, pronunciation per common language should be pursued.--Corjay 00:02, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * The New Essential Guide to Characters says the pronunciation of his name is She-zor68.43.207.114 00:27, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the reference.Corjay 20:52, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Additionally, Xixor's Theme is not a fan-based work. It is a Lucas-authorized musical composition by Joel McNeely, with the choir performing the song that specifically sings the correct pronunciation of Xixor (Shee-zor). It is available on an official 1996 Lucasfilm, Ltd. Compact Disc production of Joel McNeely's composition performed by the Royal Scottish National Orchestra and Chorus.  Gethralkin  Hyperwave 22:08, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

I read somewhere (Unfortunately, I can't find it again, after several years), that the name is, in fact, based on a name or word from India (presumably in Hindi), in which "Xi" is indeed pronounded "She". Assuming that's correct, that would mean Xizor is pronounced "She-Zor". 18:20, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Picture
I think we should use this as the main picture, since he is the only one in the picture. GMo 04:57, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

I'm all for changing the pictuyre as the current one makes him look as if he's made of plastic. --Katana Geldar 01:50, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * There are many pictures of Xizor that feature only the Prince...what makes this one so special? --School of Thrawn 101 05:45, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * cause it's an artists rendering I think it's classier and Xizor is a classy guy. GMo 03:00, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Classier is not a good enough reason. We're sticking with the live-action image. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png Talk 03:03, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't. I changed it for a reason. Do not start an edit war. If you really want it to change, hold a consensus here. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png Talk 02:01, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not tryign to take sides, but think about the real world and how people always apreciate the artists rendering of themselves. I for one like having hand drawn self portraits- not really of myself because I'm not vain- but in general. They add a certain quality to someone, something that says "hey, this person was good enough to be painted. He must be powerful". Furthermore, think of all the movies in our world that depict crime bosses having paitned portraits hanging behidn their desks. SOmeone with as much power, influence, wealth, etc like Xizor would be bound to have something similar. And my final reason is that I just like that picture. --LtCol. JuiceStain 21:21, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

personally I don't think any artist rendering of Xizor has been right so far, given his description in the book, they say the ONLY way to distinguish between a male and female Faleen is Females have "breast" like protrusions and wider hips, that and their back ridges are smaller and softer, so a more acruate picture of Xizor would be actually a modified Savan picture, with the breasts and hips reduced in size to a more masculane but still slender appearance, think of all those Pretty boys in Japanes Animation who, to the untrained eye, look like girls. you shoulden't be able to tell a male or Female Faleen just from their faces, and from the face, Xizor should look more like Savan's aunt than her uncle (lipstick is optional, but they do mention Eye Shadow)... the hard part with this aproach is still making him look intense and badass (can i say that here?) and not a limp wristed sissy.

Timeline Errors?
I have a question. How can Xizor appear in The Bounty Hunter Wars if he died a year before the series? Now, I have never read the series so I don't know exactly how he appears but from all the summaries it seems he has an important role in the series. Can anyone clarify how this doesn't contradict the timeline?

''The Bounty Hunter Wars flashes back and forth between two time periods, one right after Return of the Jedi, and the other is years and years before. Xizor shows up in those sections of the story. ''

Unused images
Until the text is expanded enough to allow these images not to crown the page, here they are:
 * I've taken the liberty to remove those already included on the article page, in order to clear space for further discussion ;) --Wild Whiphid 17:07, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

House Sizhran
Considering all the other "House Whatever" analogs in the galaxy, isn't it logical to assume Sizhran is in fact Xizor's last name? Wouldn't that make him "Xizor Sizhran"...? The article about House Sizhran already states it's a family. --Wild Whiphid 17:03, 28 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Unless his name is definitively stated to be "Xizor Sizhran," it's OR/fanon. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 17:15, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Relationships
Admittedly, it's been a while since it read SotE (must do again soon, since I found a copy of the old PC game), but where did this come from:

"Generally a fan of the short-term relationship, Xizor naturally was quick to terminate his intimate relations, usually with large compensation to the female, other times with a green diamond pendant (which would deliver a lethal dose of radioactive emissions). He followed a strict no post-relationship contact policy, which on at least one noted occasion, he had to terminate the woman when she attempted to contact him again."

Okay, that's not to surprising, It fits. Really. But this:

" When he was between relationships, Xizor was known to occasionally mate with Guri as she was fully female even in that respect. "

Source? Is there actually a source for this?

Miscellanous Items
The Prince's name is pronounced "Shee-zor." And as to whether he died or not, that was deliberately left ambiguous, in case anybody ever wanted to bring him back.

Trust me on this.

Steve Perry 24.21.52.129 19:25, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Infobox image
OK, I guess we'll have to vote on the infobox image for this article then.

Current image

 * 1) I just like the way this one looks. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:59, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

New image

 * 1) Immeasurably better quality image. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 21:35, September 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) I don't really think its "immeasurably better quality", but I do think it's better quality. Besides, in the current image, Xizor's hand partly covers his face, which I find undesirable.--Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:47, September 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * 3)  Mauser  Comlink 15:10, September 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) I vote for the new image, as well. The older one, although representing Xizor in what appears to be scheming contemplation, still does not have the crisp resolution that the newer image has. The new image also shows Xizor in an active pose, highlighting his ability to act quickly and resolutely.  Gethralkin  Hyperwave 16:10, September 28, 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) I Agree go for the new image much better colour and quality! ~ Awar 18:16, September 28, 2009 (UTC)

Comments
I figure I'll keep this open until Wednesday morning, at which point, I'll go ahead and change the image again. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 17:39, September 28, 2009 (UTC)