Talk:Cin Drallig/Legends

Hes in Ep III. Played by none other than Nick Gillard. Stunt Coordinator, and Lightsaber Master. --Kosure 16:28, 12 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Yup. Cin Drallig backwards would be Gillard Nic. (eg: Nick Gillard). In the RotS novel and video game (seen, but not mentioned in the movie, I think), they refer to him as the Lightsaber Master as he is one of the main Jedi responsible for lightsaber training. As far as I know. --Beeurd 19:10, 12 May 2005 (UTC)

Any pictures of him?SGCommand
 * you can't wait two days. ;) I don't think there are any fair-use pictures yet--Eion 13:35, 17 May 2005 (UTC)
 * You might be able to find an image of him in a screencap from the ROTS video game. --SparqMan 14:55, 17 May 2005 (UTC)

Drallig's apprentice, Serra Keto, isn't in the film; she was created specifically for the game. The female Jedi the author is confusing Serra with is Bene, played by Mousey McCallum.

Appearance
Based on this page - http://www.starwars.com/hyperspace/about/news/news20050607.html - would you really call Drallig's hair brown? It looks a bit blondish to me. QuentinGeorge 23:10, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

We might as well only say 'Look at him, kid! :D' - TopAce 78678678u76yutyuyt

Unseen Queen
Was that Cin Drallig's last stand that R2-D2 showed Luke, Han and C-3PO on Woteba? -- SFH 14:46, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Height
Bene's height is 1,70m right? And if you look at the picture you can clearly see that Cin and Bene both have the same height... Well, allmost, maybe he's a little bit taller; but only a little. So we could state that Cin's height is also around the 1,70m... right?----Inmobilus 17:25, 13 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Other quote
How about this one?

Italic text"Abandon his students, Cin Drallig would not"Italic text Yoda to Obi-wan Kenobi

Cin Drallig
Isn't Cin Drallig the one that is shown in the security records in the Jedi Temple that Anakin cut down and SuperShadow lied was Nebar Foxis?


 * yes we see him killed in epidosde III, supershadow is a load of crap as you should know by now, im not sure if Cin was who he said was Foxis Jedi Dude 15:36, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Less of a challenge in the film?
"For the sake of gameplay, Cin Drallig is more of a challenge for Vader in the game than in the film."

How can you tell from that small segment of the holorecording?--Darth OblivionComlink 02:30, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Cin Drallig in AOTC?
It looks like Nick Gillard.--Rune Haako 03:09, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

http://img81.imageshack.us/img81/9028/cinqx6.jpg
 * I think Nick is skinnier than this guy.-Black Jack Scarron 01:54, 30 November 2006 (UTC)


 * How can you tell from that distance? .  .  .  .  01:49, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

- To me it looks like Nick.

Battlemaster Defeated?
i was just curious, does anyone else think it's odd that a jedi, who was knighted less than 5 years before, defeated someone who was claimed to be one of the best swordsman in the order? i find that a little too convenient. i mean, it's one thing to be caught off guard, but to be slain in battle by anakin? cin was one of the best right? and anakin, while powerful, had only necessary training. he could hold his own, sure, and defeating dooku was no small task, but dooku was old and arrogant, cin was, well maybe not young, and based on his jedi training probably not arrogant. jedi are supposed to be beyond that.anakin giving into his anger makes him stronger, yeah, but cin mastered forms 1-6. he probably could've countered most of what anakin threw at him...anyone else have an opinion?
 * Anakin had the force, it was with him, he was becoming more powerful then anything or anyone else at that stage, it was before he lost most of his potentiol. Age has no effect, look at Yoda for example. Dooku was battlemaster as well remember, Anakin defeated two, thats a sow of his ability. Anyway this isn't the kind of thing these talk pages are used for. Jedi Dude 15:44, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Anyway this isn't the kind of thing these talk pages are used for.


 * And you'll do what if we don't?????????????????????????????????
 * Aha!!! "Age has no effect"? Precisely! Please go to the Darth Maul talk page and join me in pointing out that something was up when Maul beat Qui-Gon Jinn in Episode I. --Crazy Jedi Girl 20:58, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Cin Drallig is more of a challenge for Vader in the game than in the film.
That's the way I see someone like him going down.

Vader managed to outmaneuver him and slash through Master Drallig's shoulder.

That's the problem with writing a character like Anakin. If being the chosen one means he can beat anybody then Obi-Wan shouldn't have been able to beat him. I see this as bad writing.

Anyway this isn't the kind of thing these talk pages are used for.

Well too bad.

Being the Chosen One doesn't mean he can beat anyone. Don't know where you came up with that. I'm still not sure if we should even state that he was more of a challenge in the game. The film only shows a short clip from their fight. It doesn't really show how long Drallig held out against Anakin.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron 19:35, 30 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Hmmmmm? Then Count Dooku and Cin Drallig should have one won... not Anakin. There has to be a reason why Anakin won those fights. If not for being the chosen one... then it can't be for using the dark side when they have said that the dark side is not stronger.

I see this as bad writing.

Through SW:1 to 3 is nothing but bad writing.

Cin Drallig is more of a challenge for Vader in the game than in the film.

If this is not case then this should be taken off.

Only 3 Appearances???

 * If you even want to call them that.... Cin Drallig is said to be trained by Grand Master Yoda, Drallig was a legendary lightsaber instructor and battlemaster at the Jedi Temple on Coruscant and his skills were impressive, to say the least. Though he was not a member of the Jedi High Council, his swordsmanship likely rivaled that of many Council members.

And he really only gets one appearance.....

Cin Drallig's lightsaber
Cin Drallig's lightsaber resembles to Kit Fisto's hilt because it was a personal favoorite to Nick Gillard. The lightsaber was suppose to be rotoscope in yellow (from behind the scene and the blade was coated yellow). '''However George Lucas said that either blue or green is the color of any regular Jedi's lightsaber colors, except for Samuel L. Jackson. He would go no further with other colors. With no choice, the swordmaster, Nick Gillard choose green instead.'''


 * Man...... I'm glad the writers of the Star Wars comic books have the characters using different color lightsabers than just green and blue.

Chee said Drallig didn't die
Chee's third comment at the bottom of this page indicates that Drallig didn't die in Ep. 3.DarthMRN 05:33, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * He means he didn't die the way he did in the video game, it's different than the way he died in the movie.--Rune Haako 10:19, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The problem is that the comment is ambigous enough we can't know that.DarthMRN 16:08, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well it's obvious that game's depiction is non-canon, since Drallig is killed on an outdoor veranda. Both the movie and the novel contradict this - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 16:10, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know about the novel, but you don't see him actually die in the movie.DarthMRN 20:36, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That's true. Perhaps the hologram was the start of the fight rather than the end.  As crazy as it was, the game is still c-canon or canon unless it directly contradicts the movies Rather Dashing 09:25, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And even if the novel says otherwise, thats still C-canon contradicting C-canon. Bloody LucasArts...DarthMRN 14:39, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The novel states Drallig's body is found by Kenobi and Yoda in the Room of a Thousand Fountains. And Chee has stated the game's depiction is non-canon, so there's no dispute. Novel takes precedence - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 19:03, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Cin
Maybe it is just me, but does anyone else ponder how Darth vader killed Cin. I mean he is all powerful. But Cin was suppose to be on the level of yoda and Mace or close to it. It was said that he surpass all, but the two. So could Vader win? Cin was either as strong or stronger the Obi, but some how lost to a lesser experince Knight. Gorege even said the main reason why Vader won was because of experince. SO how did he win is the question. I think personaly that Lucas wanted Vader to seem stringer then he really was and that Cin was a stepping stone It still does not make sense, he was great jedi. He had skill and experience, he should have won
 * Dark side.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|20px]] 10:27, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't forget that this wasn't a fair fight. Vader's got the 501st to back him up, and Cin is also trying to protect his students. As a senior Jedi, he may have been trying to organize an escape - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 10:28, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Lightsaber duels aren't simply decided by who is the more powerful; if they were, Luke would never have beaten Vader, nor would Obi-Wan have defeated Maul. Any number of factors could have contributed to Drallig's death. The fact remains, of course, that he was defeated - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:57, 20 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ummm quite simply, Vader was better, stronger, and more skilled. I dunno why or how that is so hard to understand. DarthMalus 21:09, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Your going to have to do better than that. A Jedi like Cin Drallig is the Jedi who is better and more skilled like Dooku. I see it more as the writer or writers just letting Vader kill anybody and ignoring what other characters are capable of and also making it that Obi-Wan was harder to beat even though characters like Dooku and Cin were better fighters than Kenobi. And it's been said countless times that the dark side is not stronger. In other words.... bad lazy writering.
 * Anakin was able to beat Cin for the same reason that a squad of clones were able to gun down Ki-Adi-Mundi. All the reasons that Order 66 worked at all are reasons that Anakin could kill Cin. Jawajoey 06:19, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Lightsaber Colour?
It's wrong in the main pic. Should be Green. And it's a shoddy main pic anyway. . .  .  .  10:22, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * A Jedi isn't restricted to one color, there are many others who are seen having various colors. - TopAce 10:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course, but that is a ROTS promo, and in ROTS, he has a green sabre. It's clearly a mistake, and besides, this current image is grossly inferior to the previous one. .  .  .  .  22:19, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I've taken the liberty to change the blade color to green as that is the offical cannon color of the character according to george lucas. Darklord187 23:19, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
 * As per consensus, we are not to change colors on lightsabers. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 23:21, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

But there is no reason for it to stay blue when the offical color is green i see no reason for it to stay blue when nick gallard the guy who portrays cin drallig chose green as his color and george lucas confirms this on the starwars web site for further refrence as to the concensus of what others believe look at the topic above this one labled Cin Drallig's lightsaber. it confirms what i've been saying all alongDarklord187 23:33, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Dooku
Didnt Cin take his position as a instruktor after Dooku retired?~````

Statement By Nick Gillard
"Gillard has stated that he would destroy Anakin in a real life duel, but his character is far weaker. He is seen only briefly by hologram."

Should that be added into Behind the scenes? , btw the Statement came from Wikipedia
 * No, it seems to be just a joke made by Gillard about his strength, not Drallig's. Chack Jadson 19:28, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe the Nick Gillard article. [[Image:DarthAb.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 19:32, 20 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't know about Nick being able to destroy Anakin, but I do believe he could beat Hayden, since the character Anakin was supposed to be quite powerful.Derek Yoda&#39;s friend 02:02, 2 April 2007 (UTC)

non-canon quote
In the beginning of the article, it has a quote from Cin:

"There is one lesson you've yet to learn. How to become one with the Force!"

..when he was dueling Darth Vader in the ROTS video game. In the movie, which is obviously more canon than the video game, Vader didn't have a duel with Cin, but just had a short fight with him, right? So should the quote be deleted and replaced because it's non-canon? (Sorry about the weird box, I'm trying to get it to work.) --Gambler 10 01:50, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I see no reson to delete it. The game doesn't contradict the film. The film only shows a very small part of the fight, which thus allows the video game fight to be canon. Adamwankenobi 01:56, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hey, does that quote imply that Qui-Gon taught Cin Drallig how to... hmm... --Crazy Jedi Girl 21:01, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

It doesn't. Becoming one with the force doesn't mean you become a force ghost. --Kit fisto9 00:46, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Um, I'd like to insert a quote here, from the Force ghost article... According to the Jedi tradition, death was a part of life, and it meant becoming one with the Force. So if becoming one with the Force is basically the same thing as dying (at least for a Jedi), then why would Anakin need to learn how to die? This quote doesn't make much sense. --Crazy Jedi Girl 20:06, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a taunt. Cin is telling Anakin he's going to kill him and teach him the lesson of becoming one with the Force. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 20:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)