Wookieepedia:AC/Log/2018 September 1

23:05:36<@ecks> Welcome to AC Meeting 107 23:05:41<@ecks> Starting with old stuff 23:05:47<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_duck_individual 23:05:54<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7806116 23:05:54<@Toprawa> I really wanted to TC this 23:05:58<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Unidentified_duck_individual_(second_review) 23:06:02<@ecks> no changes, kill 23:06:04<@Toprawa> But his Space Duck language is indeed dialogue 23:06:07<@Toprawa> Kill 23:06:11<@exiledjedi> Kill 23:06:11<@MasterFred> Dang 23:06:12<@MasterFred> Kill 23:06:24<@ecks> Space Duck killed 23:06:25<@ecks> RIP 23:06:32<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wish_You_Among_the_Stars 23:06:39<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7802645 23:06:44<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Wish_You_Among_the_Stars 23:06:47<@ecks> no changes, kill 23:06:49<@exiledjedi> Kill 23:06:53<@MasterFred> Kill 23:07:05<@MasterFred> Dang rip music articles 23:07:11<@Toprawa> Kill 23:07:16<@ecks> Wish killed 23:07:17<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/126 23:07:20<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7802662 23:07:23<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/126 23:07:26<@ecks> Both addressed. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 06:07, August 22, 2018 (UTC) 23:07:29<@ecks> Imperators votes keep 23:07:47<@Toprawa> sigh 23:07:51<@Toprawa> He needs to crop that image wider 23:08:04<@Toprawa> Infobox images need to be 400px in width if possible 23:08:07<@Toprawa> You know what 23:08:10<@Toprawa> I'm just going to do it 23:08:15<@MasterFred>  I’m having to view these in mobile, so I have no idea how anything really looks. 23:08:40<@ecks> if Tope is gonna do it, I'm fine with keeping 23:08:48<@MasterFred> Same, keep 23:08:57<@exiledjedi> Keep 23:08:58<@Toprawa> Keep 23:09:02<@ecks> 126 kept 23:09:03<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Whrr 23:09:05<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7802674 23:09:08<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Whrr 23:09:10<@ecks> no changes 23:09:11<@ecks> kill 23:09:15<@MasterFred> Kill 23:09:19<@Toprawa> Kill 23:09:55<@ecks> EJ? 23:09:58<@exiledjedi> Kill 23:10:02<@ecks> Whrhrhrh killed 23:10:05<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rendezvous_on_Barkhesh 23:10:08<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7802712 23:10:11<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Rendezvous_on_Barkhesh 23:10:14<@ecks> Things have been Done 23:10:26<@ecks> Imperators, however, has added another objection to the probation page 23:10:29<@ecks> and he also suggests extending 23:11:04<@Toprawa> I agree, the manufacturers are completely irrelevant 23:11:07<@ecks> for the record: 23:11:08<@ecks> I don't know why the infobox lists all those manufacturers, but as it stands right now they are infobox-exclusive. Imperators II(Talk) 18:26, September 1, 2018 (UTC) 23:11:09<@Toprawa> No one formats battle articles like that 23:11:22<@ecks> honestly I'm inclined to just go ahead and remove the manufacturers altogether right now 23:11:28<@Toprawa> Agreed 23:11:32<@exiledjedi> Yeah, I don't see any reason to have those. 23:12:08<@MasterFred> If we remove them, I’d be down to keep. 23:12:10<@ecks> Keep, with the provision that I remove them after the meeting :P 23:12:15<@Toprawa> Keep 23:12:19<@MasterFred> Keep 23:12:23<@exiledjedi> Keep 23:12:28<@ecks> Rendezvous kept 23:12:32<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tirs_Maladane 23:12:35<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7802726 23:12:37<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Tirs_Maladane 23:12:39<@ecks> no changes here 23:12:40<@ecks> kill 23:12:44<@Toprawa> Kill 23:12:50<@exiledjedi> Kill 23:12:55<@MasterFred> Kill 23:13:01<@ecks> Tirs killed 23:13:01<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zal 23:13:05<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7802741 23:13:09<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Zal 23:13:23<@ecks> zero change 23:13:24<@ecks> kill 23:13:29<@Toprawa> Kill 23:13:35<@exiledjedi> Kill 23:13:38<@MasterFred> Kill 23:13:41<@ecks> Zal killed 23:13:42<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yeep 23:13:45<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7802743 23:13:48<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Yeep 23:13:55<@ecks> yeep, not much to say here 23:13:58<@ecks> untouched, kill 23:14:02<@exiledjedi> Kill 23:14:04<@Toprawa> Kill 23:14:15<@ecks> I wish someone fixed the article so that I could vote "Yeep" 23:14:20<@Toprawa> heh 23:14:36<@MasterFred> Kill 23:14:42<@ecks> Yeep killed 23:14:45<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_Emperor%27s_ritual 23:14:47<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7802745 23:14:51<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Sith_Emperor%27s_ritual 23:14:50<@Toprawa> This one never had a chance 23:14:56<@ecks> no change, as in no one took it to the FAN 23:15:00<@exiledjedi> Kill 23:15:04<@Toprawa> Kill 23:15:07<@MasterFred> Kill 23:15:14<@ecks> Sith killed 23:15:17<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zellos 23:15:21<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7806117 23:15:25<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Zellos_(second_review) 23:15:28<@ecks> no changes here 23:15:29<@ecks> kill 23:15:30<@Toprawa> Kill 23:15:32<@MasterFred> Kill 23:15:34<@exiledjedi> Kill 23:15:44<@ecks> Zellos killed 23:15:51<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Catronus_Steffans 23:15:54<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7802750 23:15:57<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Catronus_Steffans 23:16:00<@ecks> not updated 23:16:01<@ecks> kill 23:16:03<@Toprawa> Kill 23:16:05<@exiledjedi> Kill 23:16:05<@MasterFred> Kill 23:16:21<@ecks>  23:16:23<@ecks> Catronus killed 23:16:27<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Noma_Sommos 23:16:29<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7802752 23:16:32<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Noma_Sommos 23:16:39<@ecks> not updated 23:16:40<@ecks> kill 23:16:41<@Toprawa> Kill 23:16:47<@MasterFred> Kill 23:16:48<@exiledjedi> CSWE Kill 23:17:00<@ecks> Noma CSWE'd 23:17:07<@ecks> that concludes the slaughter 23:17:12<@ecks> moving on to new stuff 23:17:16<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/BB-23_heavy_blaster_cannon 23:17:20<@ecks>    Digitize comic images 23:17:20<@ecks>    Source BTS; full publications dates are not self-sourcing 23:17:20<@ecks>    Affiliations infobox field limited to two cascading items. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:57, August 26, 2018 (UTC) 23:17:38<@ecks> probe 23:17:41<@Toprawa> Probe 23:17:44<@exiledjedi> Probe 23:18:05<@MasterFred> Probe 23:18:10<@ecks> BB-23 probed 23:18:14<@ecks> BB-23 > BB-8 23:18:17<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vob_Bitas 23:18:21<@ecks> The 22 BBY date cannot properly be sourced to HNN articles, as they only use GrS format. The conversion from GrS to BBY needs to be explained in a reference note. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 14:45, August 29, 2018 (UTC) 23:18:33<@ecks> hmm, that name seems familiar 23:18:33<@ecks> probe 23:18:38<@Toprawa> Probe 23:18:43<@MasterFred> Probe 23:18:46<@exiledjedi> Probe 23:18:52<@Toprawa> I seriously wonder if Bob Vitas died or something 23:19:02<@ecks> Bob Vit-- Vob Bitas probed 23:19:08<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/4D6-J-A7 23:19:14<@ecks> this has introduced infobox-exclusive info. Imperators II(Talk) 18:27, September 1, 2018 (UTC) 23:19:35<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=4D6-J-A7&diff=7804161&oldid=7789842 23:19:38<@ecks> edit in question 23:19:49<@Toprawa> Probe 23:19:52<@MasterFred> Probe 23:20:00<@exiledjedi> Probe 23:20:20<@ecks> for the record, the infobox-exclusive information is an alternate unit of length used in the infobox 23:20:30<@ecks> I'm a bit eh about this, to be honest 23:20:38<@ecks> but I suppose it counts as infobox-exclusive 23:20:45<@ecks> probe 23:20:50<@exiledjedi> I think it is probably not even from the source. 23:20:53<@Toprawa> We've presented both in the article for the Jedha riding beast for precedent 23:20:56<@ecks> 4D6 probed 23:21:06<@Toprawa> I think that book does use the feet 23:21:14<@exiledjedi> Really, that's weird. 23:21:22<@ecks> *mumbles* Americans 23:21:22<@Toprawa> Shhh 23:21:29<@ecks> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mikkian?t=20180827045542 23:21:29<@Toprawa> Don't let anyone hear you criticizing Star Wars 23:21:31<@ecks> Update needed 23:21:36<@Toprawa> That's up for Redux right now, ecks 23:21:45<@ecks> ah, right, thought it sounded familiar 23:21:46<@Toprawa> It's got about 12 days to go before we can kill it 23:21:54<@ecks> alright, no probing that then 23:21:59<@ecks> anyone got anything else? 23:22:04<@Toprawa> I'm going to randomly click on one article from the GA page and see if I can find something wrong with it 23:22:10<@MasterFred>  Something kinda minor. 23:22:19<@MasterFred> After Tope’s article. :P 23:22:24<@Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Seismic_activity_team 23:22:37<@Toprawa> Let us probe for possible probe 23:22:48* @MasterFred panicked when he saw “seismic.” 23:23:00<@Toprawa> heh 23:23:05<@MasterFred> Thought it might be my seismic tank at first. Haha 23:23:12<@MasterFred> Not a CA joke. :P 23:23:15<@ecks> not a huge fan of the publication year in the parentheses 23:23:20<@MasterFred> ^ 23:23:28<@exiledjedi> BTS is not sourced. 23:23:29<@ecks> and the Bts is unsourced 23:23:40<@Toprawa> I'm fixing that now 23:23:43<@Toprawa> I feel...generous 23:23:58<@MasterFred> Hahaha 23:24:01<@ecks> Impressive 23:24:07<@ecks> Fred, you got something? 23:24:45<@MasterFred> I’m viewing in mobile, so forgive me. 23:24:52<@Toprawa> Done 23:25:08<@Toprawa> I don't actually know how tenable the ABY sourcing it 23:25:18<@MasterFred>  Fffffff 23:25:24<@Toprawa> But I do know the ABY system was well-used by then 23:25:26<@MasterFred> That was my comment, too. 23:25:29<@Toprawa> So it's quite possible it was mentioned in the book 23:26:08<@MasterFred> I’d say it should be checked, but I don’t wanna probe for that, since it may not be an actual issue. 23:26:22<@ecks> yeah, not a fan of probing stuff we're not even sure is wrong 23:26:33<@Toprawa> What I do know is that all of these books provide the novels timeline at the beginning, which is what people have been basing their sourcing on 23:26:44<@MasterFred>  Ohhhhhh 23:26:53<@MasterFred> I can check right quick. I have the book nearby. 23:27:35<@Toprawa> My guess is the book doesn't mention the date, and that the nominator was just going on the Del Rey timeline 23:27:53<@Toprawa> In which case I feel that should be mentioned in a separate reference note 23:28:00<@Toprawa> Alternatively, Essential Reader's Companion can be used 23:28:17<@MasterFred> Yeah, book just says “43 years after ANH” 23:28:27<@Toprawa> I fix this, then 23:28:28<@MasterFred> For the Del Rey timeline 23:28:37<@ecks> Tope is the MVP tonight 23:28:40<@Toprawa> Actually, I will not fix it 23:28:43<@ecks> or not 23:28:45<@Toprawa> Because it's not a simple fix 23:28:58<@ecks> that's a probe then 23:29:04<@Toprawa> Probe 23:29:09<@MasterFred> Probe 23:29:14<@Toprawa> If someone just slaps ERC onto a ref note, I'm calling shenanigans 23:29:22<@Toprawa> Because that doesn't work in the infobox 23:29:29<@MasterFred> Also, 43 years after could be 43 ABY and not 44. 23:29:37<@exiledjedi> Probe 23:30:12<@Toprawa> ERC kind of changed things, though 23:30:13<@Toprawa> FWIW 23:30:23<@ecks> thing probed 23:30:29<@Toprawa> ERC provided different dates for some things, which could just be interpreted as being wrong 23:30:30<@ecks> Fred, you had something minor, you say? 23:30:49<@MasterFred> Thought of this during the meeting for some reason. 23:31:45<@MasterFred> Recently there was discussion over whether a specific OOU article should be in the canon or Legends tab on the GA page. Honestly, OOU articles should be in neither. 23:31:57<@Toprawa> What article? 23:32:29<@MasterFred> I can’t remember which article it was. 23:32:42<@ecks> I feel like we could list OOU articles separately, indeed 23:32:54<@MasterFred> But is there a reason we don’t just create an OOU tab? 23:33:00<@Toprawa> We only have so many OOU articles 23:33:04<@Toprawa> You can't look quick and find it? 23:33:12<@Toprawa> I'd like to look at it for my own reference 23:33:15<@ecks> just like IU articles are categorized based on Legends/Canon/eras=real 23:34:15<@MasterFred> I’ll see if any names ring a bell, but I don’t remember if it was a current GAN or GA at the time, or if it was even GA-related and not FA or CA. 23:34:23<@Toprawa>  Blood Oath · David Maxwell · "General Grievous's theme" · Hunter/Hunted · "Imprint" · "Shmi's motif" · Sunrider naming controversy · "The Clone Wars: Hunting the Hunters (Part III)" · "The Clone Wars: The Fall of Falleen" · "The Flag Parade" · "The Tale of the Aiwha Pod" (short story) 23:34:27<@Toprawa> Pick one :P 23:34:32<@ecks> it was probably CA; I remember this discussion 23:34:42<@Toprawa> Well, some OOU articles are Canon or Legends specific 23:34:46<@Toprawa> Like a Legends novel 23:34:51<@Toprawa> Which I think should be listed under the Legends tab 23:35:04<@Toprawa> Example: https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Blood_Oath 23:35:29<@ecks> what about Shmi's motif? 23:35:33<@MasterFred> But “The Flag Parade” cannot be considered either. 23:36:21<@Toprawa> What would you title this third tab? 23:36:46<@MasterFred> We could list articles on OOU subjects that contain Legends/Canon stories/info under those tabs, but I feel a third tab should be used to include the others. 23:36:52<@ecks> I'd go with "real world" or just "out of universe" 23:37:06<@ecks> I think all OOU articles should go in one place 23:38:00<@MasterFred> I’m conflicted on that. Those two options indicate all articles would go there instead. If we have all of them under one tab, I think we would still need to indicate if a piece of media is canon or Legends. 23:38:17<@Toprawa> I'm not in favor of listing everything under an OOU tab 23:38:25<@Toprawa> I do think Legends-specific things belong under the Legends tab 23:38:29<@Toprawa> But if there's something that has both, fine 23:38:36<@Toprawa> We can even note that on the tab page 23:38:54<@MasterFred> That’s true. Just a short disclaimer. 23:38:59<@Toprawa> Like "This page contains out-of-universe topics that are not exclusive to either the canon or Legends continuity." 23:39:06<@ecks> I think if we create a third tab, we should put all OOU stuff there. Otherwise we're spreading OOU articles over three places (Canon/OOU, Legends/OOU, and OOU) 23:39:52<@Toprawa> I'll be honest, I'd rather not force a decision right now 23:39:55<@Toprawa> I'd like think about this 23:39:59<@Toprawa> We can always decide outside of the meeting 23:40:11<@ecks> it's not a very urgent issue, so I'm fine with postponing it 23:40:17<@MasterFred> That’s fair. And we have another meeting at the end of the month. 23:40:21<@exiledjedi> Yeah, same here. I'm not sure which one makes the most sense. 23:40:45<@MasterFred> I can try and work up a mock GA page for two different options. 23:40:53<@MasterFred> If I get a laptop. :P 23:40:55<@ecks> alright, there's clear consensus for no consensus here 23:41:01<@ecks> any other discussion items? 23:41:01<@MasterFred> ^ 23:41:14<@ecks> GAN seems to be moving pretty well 23:41:18<@ecks> good job 23:41:56<@ecks> alright, no discussion items? 23:42:01<@exiledjedi> I don't have anything. 23:42:04<@Toprawa> Nope 23:42:05<@ecks> Paperwork: FRD 23:42:14<@ecks> Meeting 108: AYRE 23:42:20<@ecks> And we are adjourned 23:42:23<@ecks> Thanks for coming