Talk:Battle of Coruscant/Legends

We're Doomed!
As perhaps the major battle in Revenge of the Sith, this page desperately needs to be filled in. Events from the last few episodes of Clone Wars need to be included in the description of the battle as a whole, as well as any other sources that deal with the outcome of the battle following Obi-Wan's, Anakin's, Palpatine's and Artoo's crash landing and General Grievous' escape. As such I suggest a person with greater knowledge of EU should flesh this page out a bit more. --SeanR 11:44, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Casualties
I've gone slightly away from convention when listing casualties and only mentioned important figures who perished in the battle. It seems silly to me to list "some Clone Troopers" and "some Battle Droids"; of course they died, it's a battle! I suggest only named characters that perish in the battles should be listed under the casualties section. --SeanR 11:44, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * That might be better to bring up under the Community portal. --SparqMan 14:29, 30 May 2005 (UTC)


 * I understand what your trying to say, but they should include that. It should say something like "most battle droids" or "few clone troopers".Star Destroyer 2500 13:16, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Second Battle?
As far as I am aware, there was only one Battle of Coruscant during the Clone Wars. There is only the one listed in the big list of the Clone Wars page. If indeed there is only one battle then I move to have the First Battle of Coruscant removed and have this page renamed to "Battle of Coruscant (Clone Wars)". --SeanR 11:46, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * That Clone Wars page is very incomplete. Check the List of battles page. -- Riffsyphon1024 00:35, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't know what the second battle could be. Perhaps the first was Grievous' ground strike to claim Palpatine, and the second was the space battle? Grasping at straws. --SparqMan 00:36, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * The first battle was in the obscure video game New Droid Army. I'm not sure about the details of it though; apparently it was a pretty limited ground invasion. Gladius 00:56, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Republic General?

 * Who put Lorth Needa as a commander in the battle of coruscant?As I remember,The republic only had clone and Jedi commanders.Are you saying needa was a Jedi?Purplesaber 42
 * The Republic Navy (and later Imperial Navy) has human, non-clone officers. Clones and Jedi are both soldiers in the Army of the Republic. QuentinGeorge 07:59, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Lorth Needa wasn't a commander in the battle. He was just a Lt. QX100

Shaak Ti's death and Fuel
Should I put the Greivous stabbing Shaak in back scene up and the Fuel tank scene up even thoe they are cut from the film--wattamb2000
 * What proof is there that Greivous stabbed Shaak Ti. From what I've seen, its Anakin that does the killing. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:31, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, actually, Shaak Ti was to be brought aboard the Invisible Hand with Palpatine, and she was to get stabbed in the back. However, this plot was scrapped and Shaak Ti's death was moved into the Jedi Temple. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:23, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * But that was deleated too--wattamb2000
 * No it wasn't. They scrapped the idea of Greivous stabbing Shaak Ti and moved her death to inside the Jedi Temple, where it remained. That's why in the Clone Wars mirco-series, Shaak Ti is still on Coruscant after Greivous leaves with Palpatine. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 14:00, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Look at the wikipedia article on Shaak Ti--wattamb2000
 * Well, I fixed that mistake. The Episode III Visual Dictionary is in fact more realiable than any other source. So wattamb, you don't have a case. Plus, how do we know that you didn't write that yourself? Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:00, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * well no one knows where Shakk Ti is, she did not however die on the Invisible Hand or in the Jedi Temple. Jedi Dude

Labyrinth of Evil
Uh... I was just wondering why only Clone Wars stuff is on this page and not one mention of anything from Labyrinth of Evil. -24.247.124.158
 * Well if it is missing and you can fill the article in, go ahead. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:32, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * But I have no idea how Labyrinth of Evil is going to fit in with Clone Wars, since the two tell the same thing only in completly different ways. --24.247.124.158
 * Well Id say totally ignore the cartoon, but Im biased like that. Durnar 13:31, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * That would mean basically rewriting the entire article. --24.247.124.158
 * It wouldn't mean rewriting the entire article, just a part (or two) of it to make it flow more smoothly between the Clone Wars cartoon and Labyrinth of Evil. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 16:49, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Does anyone know a good place that has a summary of the battle with a mix of clone wars and LOE? -24.247.124.158
 * Check star wars timeline.com --wattamb2000
 * Thanks! I'll get started on that now! --24.247.124.158
 * One thing, it's kind of hard to fit the info into the exsisting text. Should I just completely rewrite it? --24.247.124.158

Every Star Wars Movie has a major battle in it. Even those there's more than one major battle in Revenge of the Sith, the Battle of Coruscant is the main battle in the movie.

You can rewrite it if you want to--wattamb2000
 * I've had a go at fitting both sources in, basically trying to work with the events shared by both sources, rather than try and piece every detail together. The stories will never completely fit, so I think a rough outline of the events will suffice - Kwenn

There were 4 jedi knights, a human male, female twi'ek, and the 2 from clone wars cartoon. They arrived after the train battle with the droids. Shaak ti, and Stass allie sent them ahead while they contracted the temple. Then grevious blew up there gunship followed by clone troopers with rocket proplled grenades who blew up his gunship. Shaak ti and allie investigated then raced off to the bunker but by the time they got there grevious was gone. On the way there they ran pasts dead clone troopers, then entered the bunker to find they 4 jedi knights and the 6 red guards dead. Taken from LoE.
 * As we know, the Clone Wars micro-series got things screwed up, but still, it gave us a different picture. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:21, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Check blog of mesa on the matter http://blogs.starwars.com/fixes/2, it's got a list that might help (since it can't me of help to me 'cause I only own LoE in audiobook format). --Master Starkeiller 23:41, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm, interesting... Admiral J. Nebulax 00:57, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Ok loe is where the clone wars cartoon got the Battle of Coruscant from but it was a earlier version they put on tv. So LoE is the canon fact of Battle of Coruscant so the cartoon is wrong mostly. Ill post all the facts of BaC2 from LoE later. plokoon9619
 * Yes, the Clone Wars cartoons are probably wrong, and I'd have to agree that LoE shows it the correct way. But, we'd have to somehow combine both of those. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:13, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * I say make 2 sections cartoon/book stating that the cartoon is a less canon version from a earlier stage of LoE.aLSO GREVIOUS got his cough from the battle of boz pity when mace did it. plo Koon9619
 * It's official LFL policy that LOE and Clone Wars are both equally rated in terms of canonicity. Kuralyov 06:49, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright lets make two sepearte battles *Cartoon and *Book.
 * If you do that, I'll rip your spine out. With my teeth.--Xilentshadow900 01:30, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd also have to oppose that, while disavowing Xilentshadow's violent appreaoch (though that would be interesting to see). However, I mostly oppose it due to the fact that it would seem OOU. -- SFH 01:37, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Never would we make two separate articles. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:29, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * all you guys want to have is the gay cartoon. The article leaves out half of the book. 4 jedi protected palps in the bunker not plus with clone troopers and red guard.
 * I don't. The cartoon has screwed plenty of things up, but still, we have two different ways of showing it. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:55, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * LOE came out first, and Clone Wars is not tied to G-Canon any stronger than it is, so it should automatically trump CW. Actually, CW contradicts the film in a way, as it depicts about 200 or so Invisible Hands.Thefourdotelipsis 04:54, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Lock
Please lock this page, as Xilentshadow900 is not giving up with his constant edit of "better known as" instead of the correct "sometimes referred to as". Moderators, I revert this constantly, as well do others, to the correct way, and yet he still makes it the other way. So, once again, please lock this page. It has already been stated that there was a "First Battle of Coruscant (Clone Wars)", depsite Xilentshadow's refusal to believe it. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:37, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Besides the fact that the first "battle" was hardly a battle, it is a fact' that this battle is better known as "the battle of Coruscant." are you going to argue with the facts? And other people means one other person. Xilentshadow900 20:39, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Yet, "sometimes referred to" is better, as it shows that it was the Second Battle of Coruscant, despite being reffer to as the Battle of Coruscant. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:40, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * But the fact is that it IS better known as the battle of coruscant, because people actually refer to is as the second battle of Coruscant. Only a few people, namely us, refer to it as the second. Xilentshadow900 20:42, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * But it WAS called the Second Battle of Coruscant, and was REFERRED to as the Battle of Coruscant. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:44, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * And it IS MORE COMMONLY KNOWN as the battle of Coruscant, instead of just SOMETIMES REFFERED TO as the battle of coruscant, the people who actually refer to it call it "The Battle of Coruscant". Xilentshadow900 20:45, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * You know what, Xilentshadow, I'm sick and tired of you. But since I'm so tired of arguing with you and constantly reverting everything you write, I'm stopping here, despite that fact that it should be "sometimes referred to". Now, go have fun and have a victory dance. But the illogical one here is you. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:53, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Despite the fact that you are clearly wrong, I thank you for stopping. Xilentshadow900 20:57, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not even going to argue, that's how sick I am of you. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:58, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Speaking as someone who has not been involved in this debate and will now stay far away from it, I think this is long overdue for a lock. What is it, 15 reverts now? In fact, maybe the talk page should be locked for a day or so you can both rest and come back and discuss it more calmly. &mdash; Silly Dan 21:00, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Can't we just simply leave it 'better known as' or remove it? TopAce, 23:16 28 Oct 2005, GMT +1h
 * It's being left as 'better known as', because it is. Xilentshadow900 21:07, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)


 * Maybe there is a better way to solve this. I just looked through the Wiki and found that the First Battle of Coruscant is from "The New Droid Army". From the way it is worded, it doesn't really deserve to be called a "battle" in the truest sense of the word. So maybe that first Battle of Coruscant could be changed to reflect that, while this be changed to made the true Battle of Coruscant. After all, when you think about it, which one seems more like a "battle" situation?TIEPilot051999 21:08, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * The New Essential Chronology expands the NDA reference to make it more of a real battle. It has people in Coruscant "shuddering with fear" and describes it as having a major effect on morale. QuentinGeorge 22:26, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Wow, the argument I've been making the whole time. I guess I have two supporters now. Xilentshadow900 21:10, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I just want to end an argument before somebody does something they'll regret later.TIEPilot051999 21:13, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * It should say "sometimes referred to as" because there was a battle on the planet before 19 BBY. It is completely illogical to say "better known as the Battle of Coruscant" if there was already a battle on Coruscant before that in the Clone Wars. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:12, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I was weakly supporting Jack on this issue, but after Quentin said that NEC makes the first incursion more of a true battle, I definitely support keeping it at Second Battle, maybe with a mention that it's sometimes called just the 'Battle of Coruscant.' Kuralyov 23:18, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Which would be "sometimes referred to as the Battle of Coruscant". Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:20, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, official sources rule above all. Well, go change it then. Xilentshadow900 00:14, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I'll do it. Xilentshadow900 00:16, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh my... |_0xx3|)? Crazy... Well, I was going to fix it...--Xilentshadow900 00:18, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Changed wording to "sometimes referred to as". Cmdr. J. Nebulax 00:40, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Procurators and Mandator IIs?
I wasn't aware that these two classes were present at the battle, which source has this? Or is it a case of 'put everything in anyway' like I've seen elsewhere...? VT-16 10:26, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't they only have short distance hyperdrives and hence can't leave their home systems? QuentinGeorge 12:15, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe so. As for them in the battle, who knows. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:43, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * "Someone" must know, because "someone" listed them in this article. Otherwise, they're eligable for removal. VT-16 21:18, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, if there is no source, we have every right to just removed them now. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 21:21, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Keep them in. This is a Core World. Core Worlds have those large warships defending them, especially Coruscant. -SWF
 * Just because they defended Core worlds doesn't mean they were necissarily in the battle. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:42, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Just remove them right now, because I've yet to see any evidence that they were present. VT-16 16:48, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Right away. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:29, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Images
Okay, where Starkeiller has them, it's screwed up for me. Where I have them, it's screwed up for Starkeiller. Solution: let's get rid of a picture or two. Personally, I think the second Grievous picture isn't needed. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:09, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, should we get rid of the Force-crushed pic? --Master Starkeiller 18:13, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * That's what I was thinking. Now that I see what you see, I think the article would benefit from one less picture. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:16, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. I also made the previous pic bigger. --Master Starkeiller 18:17, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you. And please, not that big. 250px is good. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:19, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. It's just that it's very nice (I'm quite proud of it) and should stand out, don't you think? --Master Starkeiller 18:20, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but 300px was too big, as well as 275px. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:22, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, it's fine now. --Master Starkeiller 18:23, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Good. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:24, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Shields
Did planetary shields exist at this time in galactic history? And if so, how did the Separatists get past them? -- SFH 18:02, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think they did. And I'm sure Palpatine gave them something to bypass the planetary shields or something like that. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:17, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * With all of the traffic going in and out of Coruscant, it would've been impossible. Besides, the Separatist armada attacked Coruscant via secret hyperspace lanes, taking the Republic completely by suprise. Before they knew it, Vulture droids were swarming in and out of traffic. The only shields they did manage to raise, as far as we know, were over the Senate District. --AdmThrawn 18:20, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Not just the Senate District. From what I read in LoE, shields rose all over the planet. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:21, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * You can see what might be the shields at the very beginning of ROTS. When Anakin and OB1 dive down below the Venator, you see a couple of little blue bursts around them. This MAY be the shield opening momentatily to let them in.. --Commander Mike 03:08, 15 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it was them, like, boosting into battle or someting. But I'm not saying your wrong, im just saying what I thought it was.Star Destroyer 2500 13:22, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought it was at first, too. But I saw some guy's website and that was his opinion, and it actually made sense because the Venator they flew over wasn't shooting at anything, while once they dove below it there was all hell breaking loose. It would have been cool to see vast tracts of city burning from debris like in the novel, and Republic ships desperately trying to blast falling ship-parts. Oh well. --Commander Mike 14:29, 15 Jun 2006 (UTC)

Rom Mohc
What's the source detailing the participation of Rom Mohc in this battle? The Wizards article reads "Rom Mohc saw action in the Coruscant Insurrection of the Separatist's cortosis droid army." [1]. That would make him a participant of the First battle, not the Second one, unless there's a different source involved, of course.--JTS 15:20, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly, someone presented a source before. Plus, if he was stationed on Coruscant since the First Battle of Coruscant, we could assume he was there. But until a source is presented, I'll remove it. Admiral J. Nebulax 15:29, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

V-Wings
I don't know if you guys ever noticed these, but I think this is the only time we see them during the Battle of Coruscant.--Rune Haako 19:27, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

http://img398.imageshack.us/img398/2115/vwings8ah.jpg
 * Why does it matter? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:09, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Just thought people might be interested if they didn't know about them.--Rune Haako 20:13, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, then. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:16, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * And actually, they do appear somewhere else. When Obi-Wan is being chased by the discord missiles, a V-wing flies by on the top right corner, at least in the ScreenThemes version. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:16, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * You also see at least one flying above the droid fighters that are walking on Invisible Hand. VT-16 15:34, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm a bit late but I think you can see one flying past the Invisible Hands bridge when they capture Anakin, Obi-Wan, and Palpatine.--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 19:52, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Grievou's organs
The cartoon shows Grievous recieving his cough there, but the first battle of Boz Pity also provides an oppertunity for it. TNEC fits either case, but the problem with Grievous being severly injured on the ground is that if he was, then he would have been damaged when he was trying to fly up, when he fought the two Jedi in the hangar bay, and in the film itself. And he wasn't. So more likely the damage was actually done on Boz Pity, and the cartoon explanation has to be disregarded. Lowkey

Mini Superlaser?
When Anakin and Obi-wan are flying though the battle twords the Invisible Hand, A shot shows a weird, big, blue, laser shoot out of a Venator Star Destroyer's lower hanger bay and destroy a Munificent-class star frigate. what's with that? What is it?Star Destroyer 2500 13:27, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It's the turbolaser of a SPHA-T installed into the Venator's hangar on the urging of Anakin Skywalker. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 13:31, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but it looks like the super laser from the death star, it has smaller lasers that form together. I know SPHA-Ts do that too, but the lasers come from farther apart than a SPHA-T's laser. Besides it seems too powerful, I mean an entire frigate?Star Destroyer 2500 13:39, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * yep an entire frigate, thats how powerful they are, its no way a superlaser, of any sort i don't think. like Jack said, Anakin had SPHA turbolasres installed in the docking bays and i think thats what were seeing. Jedi Dude
 * Well, I guess your right now that I think of it it does make sense. Thanx.Star Destroyer 2500 14:14, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It has been noted in ILM dialogue and in OS profiles on Venators that they carried SPHA-T cannons mounted in the hangars for additional firepower. (This was done in the the Open Circle fleet, on Anakin's behest.) The ammunition inside a SPHA-T is said to be more powerful than all guns on an Acclamator put together, which is why they aren't usually mounted as ship-board weapons, they demanded too much power. VT-16 16:09, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Goodness. That might explain the "entire frigate" thing.Star Destroyer 2500 20:09, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It's been a while, but I seem to remember it cutting the frigate in two, not actually pulverising it. It's consistent with the fact that the Munificent has certain flimsy parts towards the rear (the cross-shaped section) and a skeletal structure overall. In AOTC, the SPHA-Ts made pinpoint strikes against the spherical Lucrehulk core ships, which made it harder to see any visible damage than on a Munificent. VT-16 21:52, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You're right, though it did make a large explosion. That might indicate it did still do serious damage, but if it was really weak and it just took advantage of its flimsy design it would have had a small explosion. So it did still did some real damage.Star Destroyer 2500 01:36, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I didn't mean it didn't do that, but it was easier to see the Munificent break up than the Lucrehulk (which had its repulsor engines targeted). VT-16 05:43, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

Kohl Seerdon?
Source for him being present? VT-16 15:34, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I believe it was the same source which notices that Kuat and Meimodia are having an Arms buildup and Balmorra's Secession.I believe it was a Holonews article, I remember it distinctly, I added it in (it wasn't from IA II) Nathan P. Butler added this into his unofficial chronology, if you have a hard time finding it. He was given command of the Core World defenses. -SWF
 * Ah. But that doesn't strictly make him present. Unless his office was on Coruscant. VT-16 17:35, 2 June 2006 (UTC)

True, but he was still a commander -SWF


 * Admiral Kohl Seerdon was most definitely not present at the Second Battle of Coruscant. At around 16 months after the Battle of Geonosis, he was placed in command of the Chandrilan Defence Fleet, which defends the worlds of the Bormea Sector, like Corulag, Brentaal, and Alfestril, in the Ringali Shell Cluster.  This sector is quite a ways away from the Galactic Capital, and it is completely unproven and highly unlikely that its commander would be so far away from his HQ on Chandrila.--Sharkey 19:24, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Heat
After anakin and Obi-wan hijack the Invisible Hand, they enter the upper-atmosphere of Coruscant, and the ship rips in half, I wonder: How did the ship survive re-entry with the intense heat of it, with huge gaping holes in the ship?Star Destroyer 2500 20:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC) Remember, metals in Star Wars are stronger than normal metals and there was likely at least some shields functioning. I believe they tried to minimize the speed and heat that the ship experienced when they descended.
 * It's just a sci-fi. - TopAce 13:45, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, if you notice, the ship was still on fire when it landed, calling the asistance of the fire speeders. Plus, the ship did break in half. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 13:47, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the ship had to have some form of repulsor generators of backup engines working, otherwise Anakin wouldn't have been able to land it like he did. I have to read some technical layout of the IH before saying anything more, though. ^^ VT-16 15:57, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * you've seen the columbia disaster, 1 tiny hole lead to its destruction. If, though bigger, Enormus gaping holes and the ship already disintegating, it would have been incinerated............ Wait, a thought just occured to me. Coruscant is mainly industrial so maybe all the industry destroyed its ozone, so it might not have taken so much damage.Star Destroyer 2500 20:00, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Also, the Ozone doesn't necessarily do that, it blocks UV rays, and the shields aren'tp always, so that would be a bad thing/o, most of COruscant is resential (sp?) city. -SWF


 * Yeah I was thinking that the ships in star wars would be more prepared for re-entry. Also the ozone burns up the countless meteors that hit earth every day; so metors the size of that ship come around every oncew and a while and would get burnt up like the rest.Star Destroyer 2500 01:19, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Timing of Events - Formation of the Empire
In the last paragraph of the Aftermath section, it says that the battle of Coruscant left the people frightened so they celebrated when Palpatine "declared an end to the Galactic Republic and the beginning of the First Galactic Empire a week later." What's the source for that timeline? Right after Anakin rescues Palpatine, he finds out Padme is pregnant (and she doesn't look visibly pregnant as far as I can remember; Anakin certainly didn't take one look at her and notice). By the time Palpatine forms the Empire, she is almost to term and visibly heavily pregnant. Everything I've seen indicates that the events of RotS took place over the course of at least four to six months, not one week.
 * Padme is heavily pregnant in the beginning of the film, she just wears more billowy clothes to conceal it. - Lord Hydronium 22:44, 27 July 2006 (UTC)

Even Piell
Even Piell is mentioned as a participant (as a general) and casualty of this battle. What is the source for this?
 * Exactly, I'm interested in its source. Darth Kevinmhk 04:20, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Two Sides of the Story!!!!
Why do people keep saying that The Battle of Nelvaan and The Battle of Tythe happened at the same time!? We know that they are too completely alternate versions of the story, even George Lucas said it. Both the CLone Wars cartoon and Labyrinth of Evil novel are equally canonical, but Obi-Wan and Anakin didn't go to Tythe STRAIGH AFTER NELVAAN! Lord...

Could it be retconned that the rainy planet with the shielded city in the cartoon was Tythe, and they went to Nelvaan after Tythe? &mdash; Aiddat (Holonet) (Contribs Log) 18:17, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

Clone Wars contradicts the film. LOE does not. Therefore, LOE wins. Thefourdotelipsis 04:58, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

While I admit the Clone Wars version was cool and approved by GL and everything, Labyrinth of Evil should take precedence, and I agree with Fourdot.--Vladius Magnum(Clan Magnum)

Conflicting sources
There's no reason for this tag. While there are conflicting sources, the NEC shows that there is an official LFL version of events. Kuralyov 06:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * How does that version go? The people above are using arguments like "source A goes against the movie" which is retarded, as there's nothing in the movie to show either way. VT-16 18:25, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Infobox commanders
Let's just say that I don't really think we need every single Jedi/Clone Trooper/Whatever in the commanders section of the infobox. It looks messy and besides, some of the Jedi listed there merely participated in the battle, and did not command it. And now that I think about it, most of the people there followed commands, not dispensed them. And we really don't need fifty billion links to the General article, one after the other. Anyone agree? Unit 8311 13:11, 16 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well it does seem to be the convention to list every last participant of each and every battle, despite how ugly the end result is Lalala la 06:42, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe, but most of those in the commander section were participants of the battle, not commanders. Unit 8311 18:00, 25 December 2006 (UTC)
 * As I've had no reply, I've gone ahead. Unit 8311 17:11, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And to the IP that keeps changing it back, stop it. Unit 8311 15:54, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Starship shields?
What the freak happened to shields? In the entire battle all I see are ships shredding each other to bits! Were'nt starship shields invented? I only see shields once and that is shortly after a munificent-class star frigate is destroyed, a lucrehulk battleship has like a shield impact or something on it. So where are the shields?Star Destroyer 2500 20:03, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) It was to add dramatic effect to the battle scenes 2) Some of the ships had quite weak shields 3) Sorry, but discussion pages aren't for forum-like discussion like this. Unit 8311 14:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)


 * It has to do with the fact that the battle had been raging for several hours by the time Ep. III starts. Several hours has got to leave your shields seriously weakened.

Imperator-class
Do we know if there were any Imperators at the battle?--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 19:55, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * There weren't any there. No sources say there were. Unit 8311 18:53, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

Total number of ships at the battle?
Does anyone know the total number of ships (fighters included) at the battle? At least the number of CapShips? 167.206.204.100 15:13, 25 April 2007 (UTC)G.A.Thrawn
 * Hang on. I'll dig out Complete Locations and try and glean something from there.--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 18:35, 30 April 2007 (UTC)
 * OK. I count 82 Venators, 10 Lucrehulks, about 19 Recuscants, 1 Providence and about 71 Munificents. Based on this and other sources I estimate that there were about 87 Republic ships, including 82 Venators, 1 Dreadnaught, 3 Carracks, and 1 Providence, and about 102 Sep ships. That answer your question?--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 16:39, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks. No chance you could get the number of starfighters? 167.206.204.93 17:35, 7 May 2007 (UTC) G.A.Thrawn
 * Don't push your luck. Anyway, those numbers above only represent a small portion of the battle. There could have been more--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 18:40, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
 * According to the ROTS: ICS, there were thousands of ships present. Unit 8311 16:15, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That may include fighters.--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 16:32, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No, I think it says thousands of destroyers and frigates. And it then goes on to say that the CIS had millions of capital ships in the Outer Rim, so thousands of ships at Coruscant isn't too unlikely. Unit 8311 16:36, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, thousands of destroyers and frigates accompanying dozens of battleships on the CIS side. ILM artists said in one of the diaries or production notes that they added 5,000 capital ships in total. I assume that includes the Venators as well. VT-16 17:29, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * So, assuming both sides had a roughly equal amount of vessels, that would equate to approximately 2500 ships on both sides. Unit 8311 11:07, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Something like that. Though, keep in mind that the Venator-class is superior to both the Recusant- and Munificent-classes, so they either had a smaller number or devastated them if they had an equal amount. VT-16 12:30, 26 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, ROTS cross sections says that 4 to 6 Recuscants can out-gun a Venator, so if we compromise with 5 Recuscants beating a Venator, we do something like dividing 2500 by 5 to get the total number of Republic ships, so I think we get 500 republic ships versus 4500 Sep ships (Correct me if I'm wrong: I was never good at maths).--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 12:32, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Federation cruiser
Anybody know the name of the Trade Federation cruisers that appear at the Second Battle of Coruscant and the Battle of Kashyyyk respectively? I want to create articles on them. If nobody knows the names, i'll name the articles "Unknown Trade Federation Cruiser (Coruscant)" and "Unknown Trade Federation Cruiser (Kashyyyk)" respectively.OOM-10 14:30, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? Their class names? VT-16 23:35, 27 May 2007 (UTC)


 * If you are asking what the proper name for the Trade Federation Cruiser I'm talking about, it's the Providence-class Carrier/DestroyerOOM-10 07:04, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The name of the ship at the Battle of Coruscant is the Invisible Hand. The only reason it gets an article is because it is named. The Kashyyyk one is not named, so don't create an article for it. Unless you're planning to create an article these eleven as well. -Darthtyler
 * Exactly. No point in creating an article if there's no information on it's topic. Unit 8311 15:07, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

ROTS game...
In the ROTS game, Anakin and Obi-wan have quite a long mission on Invisible Hand, journeying through fuel tanks, manning a point-defence cannon, and other such things. Now, I know the game is a bit canon-contradictory, but we still use some of it in articles as canon. To the point: should we point what is depicted aboard IH in the game into the article? I'm aware the game contradicts canon, but IIRC, we have stuff from the game in other articles... Unit 8311 16:39, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Ozzel
Ozzel participated in the battle?


 * Perhaps, but he would be some lowly pilot or somesuch because 20 years pass between ep. III and IV so if he was about 40 during the events of the original trilogy it means he would have been about 20, so maybe..., but he wouldn't be some commander or something. Star Destroyer 2500 04:48, 8 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Don't think so--probably fanon. Unit 8311 17:51, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Conjecture
One user recommends putting a conjecture tag on this article, as it is never called the Second Battle of Coruscant, just the Battle of Coruscant anywhere but this website to the best of my knowledge. Well, do you guys that that would be a good idea, or what? I'm not so sure it's necessary because there was a Battle of Coruscant before it, and common sense would dictate that it be the Second Battle of Coruscant without a conjecture tag being necessary.  Chack Jadson  Talk 18:34, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * To be fair, I don't think the previous 'battle' of Coruscant was a battle at all--more like a raid. If it's not called the second battle of Coruscant anywhere, it should have a conjecture tag. Unit 8311 14:49, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, he's objecting to it becoming an FA becuase of this. Should we move the first to "Raid", remove the "Second" and get a bot to change the links?  Chack Jadson  Talk 22:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, I think that would definitely be a good idea. This should have been done a loooong time ago...Unit 8311 13:45, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Apparently this is the Second Battle of Coruscant: "Rumors that several fanblade fighters took part in the Second Battle of Coruscant remain unconfirmed." - Starships of the Galaxy, Givinex-class starfighter entry, page 87. Grand Moff Tranner 11:29, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Does it say it's referring to this battle? Because Obsession explicitly calls it the "First Battle of Coruscant". - Lord Hydronium 11:48, 27 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No, but I assumed it does, which would make the "Raid on Coruscant" really the First Battle of Coruscant. Unless there was another battle of Coruscant before this one (which would make this the third). Grand Moff Tranner 19:30, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Numbers
This question is probably a waste of time, but are there any sources that so much as imply the amount of ships at this battle? -MPK 19:24, 16 May 2008 (UTC)