Talk:Chosen One/Legends

I espouse the view that either Luke is the chosen one or Anakin is the chosen one by way of siring Luke and destroying the advantage of Sith empire. I actually prefer the belief that it is Luke, for he also traveled through the dark and light side of the force(as did many probably every force sensitive at some time in their career) and a bit more calculatedly than most I might say. Also I believe more importantly, Luke resurrected the Jedi order with a much more balanced teaching of the force. I think Luke also had more command over the polarity in the force and was abled to easily discern the good in Vader even when there seemed to be no redemtion in his demeanor or actions. Besides why else would he be the origional "hero" of the Star Wars series? Still I believe this question is so Pivotal that it should only be settled by the series creator himself George Lucas.

Anakin was the one that was Chosen: like the article states at the end of ROTS Vader and Palpatine are the Sith, Obi and Yoda are the Jedi. 2 Jedi and 2 Sith balance of the Force. Luke disrupted the balance at the end of ROTJ he was the only major Force person left, all the Sith die, 1 Jedi and 0 Sith, if he was the chosen one then where is the balance. plus the whole issue is a mute point, if it states that the "Chosen One will bring balance to the Force, AND DESTROY the Sith" as Obi stated in ROTS how can that be equal? if the Light Side defeats the Dark Side the the Force is "Light/Good" if the Dark Side defeated the Light Side the Force is "Dark/Bad" or am I missing part of the text in one of the EU book? HELP ME PLEASE?
 * Balance does not necessarily mean equal parts good and evil. Take for example the argument that evil does not actually exist&mdash;only the absence and perversion of good. From such a standpoint it could be argued that the dark was imbalance, therefore it's reduction brought balance. – Aidje talk 14:12, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC)

but the dark side,aka the Sith,wasn't reduced it was destroyed even if someone else claims the title Dark Lord of the Sith they aren't because Vader and Palpatine are the only one's, who would have trained any new Sith's?--sithlord123 11:24, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Unless there was a Dark Jedi under Palpatine's/Vader's command that was being guided through the ways of the Sith before they died, and claimed the title "Dark Lord of the Sith" after their deaths. You never know what might happen when someone else writes a book for the timespace after RotJ. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 13:29, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Not to disagree with Nebulax, but I'd just like to say to sithlord123 that my word choice was not meant to imply or exclude any absolutes. Those words were chosen for their vagueness, actually; reduction does not imply a lack of destruction, nor does a bringing of balance imply that total balance was achieved. The words were meant to be somewhat noncommittal because that's not the point of what I was saying and I didn't want to get into a discussion about that. – Aidje talk 21:12, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe Lucas said in an interview that "balance" meant the end of the Sith. Life without any supernatural interference has good and bad people/events in it anyway, that's how the universe is. It seems that the Sith are off-setting this by attempting to manipulate their surroundings to their own needs and thus reshape the universe. Now this brings up the amusing question of whether or not the Jedi essentially do the same thing, even if they use their powers minimally and mostly to help others and keep the peace. VT-16 15:18, 12 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * The "balance" referred to by the prophecy is referring to healing the rift of the Great Schism. It has never been suggested in any canon source that it has anything at all to do with numbers of Sith vs numbers of Jedi. QuentinGeorge 07:09, 13 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Do we have an exact quot of the chosen one prophecy, i know i've heard it somewhere, but i cant remember where. Master Illidan 23:55, 2 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * If one could be found, we could always use it (if it is good enough). Cmdr. J. Nebulax 00:16, 3 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Midi count
Do we have a source for Anakin Skywalker's midichlorian count? It sounds like a Supershadowism to me, but it could also be a detail in the Ep. I novelization. &mdash; Silly Dan 18:36, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * It could be from Supershadow, although I checked, and that fraud has it at 27,700 midichlorians. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:20, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)

I thought OB1 told his master (not going to try to spell it) the number in TPM?
 * I believe he said "off the charts" and "well over X," not "it's X amount." – Aidje talk 14:07, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe that he said it was over 100,000 Master Illidan 23:55, 2 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * No, he said it was over 20,000.
 * It doesn't matter; we don't know the exact number anyway. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:24, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)

if the chosen one showed up during the greatest time of despair. that was when darth vader was alive and ruling which points the chosen one to be Luke not Anakin. Right? so if anything luke had to have been the chosen one and the son of the suns.
 * Wrong. Anakin fulfilled the prophecy in the time of greatest despair&mdash;the Galactic Civil War. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:02, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Behind the Scenes
I would understand if there was a lack of clarity surrounding it, but does a fan theory warrant mention, let alone such a big subsection, when it's been repeatedly, officially discredited? It's tantamount to me going to the Death Star page and talking about how some fans prefer to regard what's seen in RotS as the prototype. There might be evidence to support that concept (hell, there's evidence for all kinds of crazy stuff), but it's still officially wrong. CooperTFN 23:21, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * How is the "Behind the Scenes" section wrong, exactly? Admiral J. Nebulax 00:17, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It's not an issue of wrong, it's an issue of not warranting mention. I can see a Behind the Scenes discussion of a popular fan theory that could be right, but if it's canon that Anakin is the Chosen One, talking about the Luke theory is like adding a section to the Bail Organa page saying "It has been argued by some fans that Bail was actually not on Alderaan when it was destroyed, and lived on for many years." CooperTFN 01:33, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, as long as GL said Anakin was the Chosen One, all we need to have there is something like "There is a fan dispute that Luke, Anakin's son, might have also been the Chosen One...". Admiral J. Nebulax 12:44, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * But fans dispute all kinds of things. Should they all get mentions? CooperTFN 00:21, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * No, but this is a, well, "special" one that I believe deserves to be metioned. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:22, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * If you say so. CooperTFN 03:43, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * All I'm saying is that this is different from all of the other fan disputes. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:38, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Whills
Is there an IU source that declares the old Whills entry from the ANH novelization is the Chosen One prophecy of which Qui-Gon Jinn, Yoda, Mace Windu, et al refered to? --SparqMan 03:50, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe so. I just have to find it now. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:57, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Whilst it is clear that the "Prophesy of the one who will bring Balance to the Force" evolved out of the "Son of the Suns" thing, there's absolutely no canon source that indicates that that the "Son of the Suns" thing *is* the prophesy in-universe. At least not that I'm aware of.(Ulicus 17:29, 23 May 2006 (UTC))
 * The thing is, what it says is canon. The entire Son of the Suns thing is a part of the prophecy, since Anakin was born on a planet with two suns. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:45, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Unconfirmed
This just in: the Chosen One is officially...... unknown! Yes, it's true. I have recieved word that Lumiya will be returning for Legacy of the Force! So we'll just have to see who polishes her off. If it's Anakin's ghost, i'm seriously going to kick someone. And the there's Tremayne and Blackhole too! Even if Lumiya goes down either one of them could declare themselves Dark Lord!
 * But they aren't Sith. Only Sith-wannabees. Admiral J. Nebulax 02:33, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Is that so? Then why is Lumiya listed as Sith on this site?
 * I suspect Legacy of the Force will reveal the exact relationship between Lumiya's claims to Sithhood and the prophecy of the Chosen One. jSarek 02:53, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

I was just wondering if its possible that the phrase The Time of Greatest Despair could mean Battle of Endor becose if u think the phrase like this. the phrase could very likely mean Battle of Endor because it seemed like Rebels were going to be defeated thus the translation of the phrase. Anakin did appear during the battle thus the translation of the second part of the prophecy the phrase there shall come a savior. Dark Lord 20:32 28.5.2006


 * No, the time of greatest despair was most likely the Galactic Civil War as a whole. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:53, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * And where in your copy of the entire prophecy does it state the Chosen One destroys every Sith in the galaxy, present and future? Because I, like every other user on this site, do not actually have proof concerning the exact nature of the prophecy - Kwenn 20:56, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, we don't have any proof on the exact nature of the prophecy, but if Anakin Skywalker was indeed the Chosen One as George Lucas said, "the time of greatest despair" sounds like the Galactic Civil War. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:59, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * And moreover, he's the only one explicitly stated as being the Chosen One in-universe, regardless of how much the Jedi believed the prophecy could have been misread. So as far as proof goes, we have nothing on any character other than Anakin, so any such talk is speculation, and, as we know, is not particuarly welcome in articles. "He is the Chosen One. You must see it." - Kwenn 21:02, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well said. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:03, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * While I believe Anakin is the Chosen One because Lucas has said so it also fits the Prophecy of him rising up at the time of greatest dispair is the moment that he decides to save Luke. When the Emperor is killing Luke, the last of the jedi and the last hurdle to ruling the galaxy and destroying the rebellion, is the time of greatest dispair.  If the entire civil war was the time, then Anakin would have risen up at the beginning.  my .02 Stinkywookie 19:54, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. Here's how I see it: Deep within his armor in his heart, he longed for his wife and child. When he learned of the son of Skywalker, I think he longed to have him not as an apprentice but as a son. Anakin Skywalker still lived within the mechanical monster called Darth Vader, and I believe his good self started to affect his bad self's judgement when he learned Luke was alive. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Vader still wanted Luke to help him overthrow the Sids up to when he brought him to the DSII.  That entire scene is about the two Sith Lords vying to turn Luke to their side so that they could join up and destroy the third.  You are right in saying that Anakin was awakening since Empire but he did not come back to the light and rise up until he saw his son being destroyed.Stinkywookie 14:36, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying that Anakin took over as of ESB, I'm just saying that Anakin was struggling to become himself again and defeat Darth Vader. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:40, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * As to the question of why Anakin didn't turn against Palpatine at the start of the Civil War, the answer lies in why he didn't turn against him the moment he realized Palpatine had decieved him in RotS. The novelization reveals Vader's rage in the EmPalSuRecon center was perhaps intended to destroy Palpatine too, but he knew he could no longer wield Anakin's power - "and in the end, he did not even want to" strike Palpatine down, for Palpatine was now his entire world. That, of course, changes with the introduction of Luke into the mix, and it is here Vader's priorities change. Dark Lord also reveals Vader knows full well Palpatine's Force lightning could kill him in an instant, and Palpatine even uses this as a threat against him. But, as of Luke's most desperate hour in RotJ, Vader no longer cares about his own wellbeing - Kwenn 19:50, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * &mdash;he cares about his son. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:52, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Son of the suns
Neither Anakin nor Luke was actually from Tatooine. Luke is, of course, from Polis Massa and Anakin was born on an unnamed water planet which a certain North Carolinian cabinetmaker would have you belive is called "Thessius". (Don't do SuperShadow, kids. Is no good for you :) )
 * They were both "from" Tatooine from a certain point of view. ;) QuentinGeorge 02:15, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyone know any born-Tatooinian Jedi?
 * A'Sharad Hett, i think.
 * Along with any member of the Diath family. QuentinGeorge 02:49, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Quote from George Lucas
From the introductory documentary for A New Hope, Special Edition (on the VHS version):

"The first film starts with the last age of the Republic, which is it's getting tired, it's old, it's getting corrupt.

There's the rise of the Sith, who are becoming a force, and in the backdrop of this we have Anakin Skywalker, a young boy who is destined to be a significant player in bringing balance back to the Force and to the Republic...

''Then in the second film we get into more of that turmoil. It's the beginning of the Clone Wars, it's the beginning of the end of democracy in the Republic, sort of the beginning of the end of the Republic. And it's Anakin Skywalker beginning to deal with some of his more intense emotions of Anger, Hatred, Sense of Loss, Possesiveness, Jealousy, and the other things he has to cope with.''

And then we will get to the 3rd film where he is seduced to the Dark Side..

Which brings us up to the films 4, 5, and 6, in which Anakin's offspring redeem him and allow him to fulfill the prophecy where he brings Balance to the Force by doing away with the Sith and getting rid of evil in the universe..."

More details here, although the rest is personal extrapolation: http://blogs.starwars.com/moosepoodo/17

I have a little problem with the phrase "Despite these claims, George Lucas maintains..." It implies that George acknowledges the opinion but contradicts it. A more objective statement would be simply to say "George Lucas maintains...", because in reality, he has always maintained that stance, and its a few fans that attempt to contradict the meaning of the plot point.

As a side note, however, I'm glad to see the "One could argue that the Force was Balanced in the Prequels" blurb was removed. Objectivity can be easily undermined by the language we choose to use. Removal of that greatly improved the reliability of the information by not presenting opinion as something validated by un-named sources.

Dark Moose out
 * Please put all comments at the bottom of talk pages, okay? I've noticed that you don't a lot. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

linking in the prophecy
The prophecy isn't directly linked to Anakin Skywalker or The Galactic civil war. It was just believed that those were incarnations of the prophecy but nobody can prove that was the true prophecy being embodied. --UVnet 01:10, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Lucas himself said that Anakin was the Chosen One. Therefore, I reverted it. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 01:50, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Lucas didn't plan out any of the new upcoming novels. Some retcon is going to occur. 134.192.86.90
 * Not really. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:19, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I doubt this could be retconned, but I am excellent in finding loopholes. The prophecy declared that the Chosen one would destroy the Sith in the time of greatest despair. Well, Does the prophecy explicitly say that it is the only prophecy? Or that there could not be more times of great despair? I do say not. So, more questions, but it would help explain Darth Krayt and that guy with the really horrible name. An uber Sith fan
 * The point is, Anakin Skywalker is the Chosen One no matter what. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:55, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Upon reading through Revan's profile, would it not make sense to consider the plausibility behind the idea that there's a Chosen One pertaining to certain eras? I say this because Revan and Anakin functioned in very similar roles and shared similar objectives, leading me to believe that Revan was the Chosen One of his time, which is also the case for Anakin.
 * No. There was one Chosen One, and that was Anakin Skywalker. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 10:56, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Chosen One
What canonical evidence is there that Anakin is the chosen one?
 * What canonical evidence is there that anyone else is the Chosen One? Anakin fulfils the prophecy in the terms stated by Obi-Wan on Mustafar; he destroys the Sith and brings balance to the Force - Kwenn 10:38, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

1.What does it mean to bring balance to the force? 2.He didnt destroy the Sith because The reborn Palpatine was also a Sith and also Darth Krayt and Darth Talon and the other sith
 * It doesn't matter, because George Lucas said he was the Chosen One. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:15, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * He did destroy the Sith; Dooku, Sidious and Vader. And if you think that that's the end of it, that by destroying those three, the Sith can never, ever return, then you're perfectly suited for a place on the Jedi Council. They didn't believe the Sith could return either...right up to the point where Qui-Gon got diced by...yep, a Sith. Bringing balance and maintaining balance are two concepts people tend to easily confuse - Kwenn 11:23, 31 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well said. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:29, 31 May 2006 (UTC)

I think Anakin is the chosen one. He brought balance to the force by making the number of jedi the same as the number of sith. Obi-Wan and Yoda for the jedi and Darth Vadar and Darth Sidous for the sith. Also, Anakin destroys the sith by throwing Sidous down the shaft and in doing so also kills himself from the force lightning --Dumac 00:52, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Anakin is the Chosen One. And by having two on both sides is not balance in this case. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:33, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

Whills and Jedi
OK, why does the Son of the Suns thing keep getting tied in to the Jedi prophecy? The Son of the Suns quote comes from the Journal of the Whills, which, if it's even an in-universe document (and there's no proof to say it is), it doesn't even have anything to do with the Jedi. It was written by the Whills, who appear to have to direct connection with the Jedi Order, since Qui-Gon learns the secret of eternal life from a Whill Shaman, while none of the other Jedi are aware of this teaching. Also, this quote is seemingly referring to Luke, not Anakin, who is not the Chosen One. It was a prefix to the ANH novel, written at a time when Luke was the Saga's only saviour. The TPM novel has Obi-Wan muse on the fact that there are hundreds of ancient prophecies, so why must these two be linked? One is referring to Luke (who rises during the time of greatest despair, when the Empire has already assumed control, unlike Anakin, who appeared during a time of peace) whereas the other is about Anakin, concerning the Chosen One who will, as stated by Mace and Obi-Wan, "bring balance to the Force" and "destroy the Sith". I recommend all references to the Journal of the Whills be removed from this article (other than perhaps a note on their similiarities in a BTS section) since at this point, it's all conjecture - Kwenn 09:51, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * If the Journal of the Whills quote is truly referring to Luke, then it must be removed, since Anakin is the Chosen One. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe so. At that time, Anakin Skywalker had been a Jedi Knight slain by Vader. The prophecy, as defined by the Prequels, did not exist. Luke was on his Hero's Journey, and so the role of saviour was placed on his shoulders. There are any number of prophecies about the Skywalkers; I believe Bodo Baas recites one concerning the events of Dark Empire - Kwenn 11:09, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah&mdash;brother and sister walk the sky, brother falls. Anyway, Anakin was the Chosen One, so we might as well just put that quote in the Behind the Scenes section. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:10, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've re-written the article, including a BTS piece on the Son of the Suns misconception - Kwenn 11:30, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Nice job. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:31, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * When you really think about it, (based on the Jedi's predictions at least) the Chosen One pretty much did diddly squat. Yoda, as he always is, was absoluteley right. Let's count misinterpretations, shall we?

-Time misread (Galactic Civil War, not Clone War)

-Misread the fact that balance mat mean dark=light; as such, Anakin brought balance when he became the second Sith.

-Even if it does mean only light, they still misread the fact that the One might need help.

-Mistook "brings balance" for "maintains balance".

So, yeah some pretty big mistakes thar. Another topic of intrest is the fact that the Jedi seem to want us to belive that there was ONLY a Light Side until the split 7000 years ago. Again, a lot of contradictions: Adas, the Killik Sith, Trayus Academy, and the 10000 year-old holocron from Sadow's time, and I'm sure there are others, too. My final topic is that the Chosen One is chosen. So, who is the Chooser? I made the articles for Food-kin, Digit Droids, the Red Sith, Finn's apprentice, a bunch of minor aliens and Imperials, and most of the cast of the Holiday Special :) Yes, that's it. Goodnight, don't let Ghana Gleemort hit you on the way out
 * Well, the chooser would be the Force&mdash;it would choose who would be the Chosen One and when he would come. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:58, 10 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Errrr... so, wait.... Is the Force (Schwartz?) a sentient being capable of making decisions for itself? If so.... GAH! The symbolism! Getitoffme! GET IT OOOOOOFFFFFFFF MEEEEEEEE! Also, another query: You seem to take Lucas's word in the identity of the One as canon over here, yet at Artoo's article, it is astated that Lucas's word on the matter of the story being from Artoo's perspective might not be canon. ?????????? They're both from the same source! So which is it? Both or neither? Rod
 * Since Lucas is the originator of the whole thing, we can take his intent as part of the content of the movies, however, his, like all quotes from people involved in production, are not in themselves canon; in the case of R2-D2, it doesn't appear likely Lucas' off-hand comment is part of continuity - Kwenn 19:19, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You mean the re-telling of the events of 32 BBY, 22 BBY, 19 BBY, 0 BBY, 3 ABY, and 4 ABY in 104 ABY? Anyway, Lucas's word on this should definitely be taken as canon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:23, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, just checking. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:55, 14 June 2006 (UTC)

Balance
Here's an interesting take on balance, from Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties, and possibly one of the few sources that states the nature of balance: "Simply, if the will of the Force demands balance, then evil can never die". So here, balance is being taken literally to mean both light and dark&mdash;though seemingly only that, so actual numbers of Jedi and Sith don't seem to matter. As long as there are dark and light siders in the Galaxy, there is balance - Kwenn 09:50, 23 June 2006 (UTC) This is just speculation. I personally dislike the ABY EU. A ressurected Palpatine and Luke falling to the dark side? Suddenly the final battle in ROTJ seems pretty insignificant.
 * That's very true. You can't just have one side of the Force&mdash;you need both. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:45, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Has anybody considered that balance means no force users. A polarized piece of metal generates equal (+) and (-) magnetic fields.  If you balance, or resolve, the forces in this magnet it is at peace.  It generates no fields.  Interestingly, this would explain why no force exists in present day earth.  It was balanced a long, long time ago.  Now the universe is at rest, spiritually.
 * Well, that speculation of yours isn't what the "balance" was. And this isn't the place to say that you don't like Dark Empire. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:34, 29 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It isn't confirmed that present day earth is connected in any way to Star Wars either, as the stories are most likey myths of the future. --216.229.165.162 19:54, 10 August 2006 (UTC)