Talk:Gial Ackbar/Legends

Quote
In all likelihood, don't you think "it's a trap" is a quote that better represents Ackbar than a vague commercial line?--199.79.168.160 06:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * "It's a trap" reveals nothing about Ackbar's character. -- SFH 15:20, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * True, but it's much more well known. When the average person thinks of Ackbar, they think of "It's a trap", not of another line he only said in a short lived video game commercial. --199.79.168.160 01:07, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Quotes are not about being well know, it's about describing the person. And the quote is also in The New Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology, on the cluster bomb page. -- SFH 01:29, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * And "It's a Trap" is over at Battle of Endor, where it does have a place to go. -- SFH 22:21, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

It's a Trap
Does this really add anything? It should probably be moved to the brewing "pop culture influences" article. This article is also very dry on details. --SparqMan 21:08, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Retreat
Actually, Admiral Ackbar did order a retreat, after the Death Star II made it's first shot. Lando argued that they stay, and give Han and Leia more time to bring down the Shield Generator. -- SFH 23:50, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Attention! Vandilism alert!-User:Remoh

Birth
What is the source for Ackbar's birth? -- SFH 23:39, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)

New Military Campaign section
I typed that up using a variety of sources, including the New Essential Chronology. I felt that Ackbar's section was too brief and that everything should not be included under biography. I will clean up the bio section so that there is not a ton of repeated info in the new section. I am curious to see what others think of this new section.

(Note) I did the redesign on the Ackbar section, but I just realized that I was not signed in under my name, AdmiralNick22. Sorry about that. :-)

First appearance
Didn't Ackbar actually first appear in an obscure comic strip that came out before ROTJ, like Boba Fett first appeared in the Holiday Special? Lieutenant Gerard 22:10, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, you're right, he did; he was in one of the newspaper strips. Don't recall which one, though. jSarek 09:41, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Date of Birth/Death
I'm not sure if his birth date is known but his year of death shouldn't be too hard to find...

Nonsense?
"Ackbar also bonded with Anakin Solo at a early age, affectionately calling him "my little fish", due to the boy's love of water."

I don't think this is true. It seems like added nonsense to me. Is it true? Huntersquid 19:55, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, it is totally factual. First off, Ackbar bonded with the child according to Dark Apprentice. During Ackbar's visit to Anoth, before his self exile to Mon Calamari, he is playing with the child and holding it in his lap. As for the "my little fish", that comes from Before the Storm. The book shows Ackbar a close friend of the Solo family. The book mentions that Ackbar refers to Anakin as "my little fish" on page 33 (paperback edition). Her is the exact quote:

BTS, pg. 33 The kids could play- Anakin had suddenly begun to love the water so much that Ackbar proudly called him "my little fish"- or just cling to Mom and Dad, while for Leia and Han it was therapy, a sigh of relief at the end of a long day.

When you are as huge a Ackbar fan as me, you remeber those little details. :-) AdmiralNick22 00:06, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I accidentally read Anakin Skywalker! Stupid of me. BTW I think the Mon Calamari Cruisers, race, Admiral Ackbar, Dac and even squids in real life to be super cool! Consider yourself a role model for people who have an interest in the Mon Calamari! Huntersquid 22:57, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem. It is nice to know that there are other Mon Calamari fans out there as well. :-) AdmiralNick22 18:27, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
Someone keeps putting " Ackbar is back" in caps. Stop. User: Smickin Awesome 10:50, 03 March 2006
 * It was in all caps when first added -- maybe that's how it was printed in the novel? &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 08:01, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It is. QuentinGeorge 08:52, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it was me. I wrote it exactly as it apepars in the novel. In Destiny's Way, the code ACKBAR IS BACK was broadcast to all NR military units. It was a cause of celebration. In the book, Walter Jon Williams writes it as "ACKBAR IS BACK". Therefore, I am perfectly justified in posting it as such. So Smickin Awesome, don't change it! AdmiralNick22 14:58, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't know. User: Smickin Awesome 3:08, 05 March 2006

I swear by all thats holy...
You know, it it not even funny anymore. People that wreck these articles that we all put alot of time into are really getting on my nerves. Isn't there a Wiki feature that allows us to lock this article off so that no one can fuck with it anymore? AdmiralNick22 23:17, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * There was a vote a while back regarding locking currently featured articles, but it was decided against doing it.  StarNeptune  23:20, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It is just so rude when people go about wrecking articles. I suppose that is the main drawback to a online encyclopedia than anyone can edit. AdmiralNick22 23:21, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * We have been having way too much trouble with this article in recent days. Changing of the damn quote, this "Akbar" troll&mdash;I really believe that we should consider locking it for at least the next few days. -- SFH 02:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

WHAT IS ADMIRAL ACKBAR'S FIRST NAME??
 * It's unknown or he doesn't have one. He asks to he called simply Ackbar in one of the Jedi Academy book when he resigns from NR military.  -Finlayson 01:26, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Rescue
Is there any way to rescue the raid in the Eriadu system with the raid above Corulag? X-Wing depicts one, Empire at War depicts another. Maybe the fleet was going to Corulag from Eriadu? Cutch 15:18, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * HELLOOOOOOO? Cutch 03:11, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe people would respond if I vandalized the article? Hmmm? Just kidding. But seriously, guys, got any input? Cutch 03:11, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Quite simply, the Empire at War one should be disregarded. It has been established in several sources that Ackbar was rescued during a assault on Tarkin's shuttle. And I don't buy that BS that states Ackbar was rescued only to be captured and rescued again over Corulag. Empire at War screwed alot of continuity. I say delete any mention of the rescue over Corulag. AdmiralNick22 04:24, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I've re-written and expanded some of his enslavement and rescue at Eriadu based on X-wing. I've also moved the bit about the Alliance being happy up here rather than leaving it after the second rescue (they'd have been happy in the first place). But you're right, the Corulag bit doesn't make any sense (the article doesn't even say that he was captured again, just rescued twice). By the way, what sources (other than EAW) mention Corulag, because the Databank only mentions the Eriadu one? Green Tentacle (Talk) 21:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Redesigning this Article

 * I'm pretty much working on major expansions of this article as I have done per Leia Organa Solo, Luke Skywalker, and Wedge Antilles. There is so much information about this character that needs included. I don't think that having the military campaigns section reads well and plan to either reduce it or leave it as is. It's also incomplete. On every other character, (including Thrawn, his Imperial counterpart), the campaigns are included as part of the bio, so that's how I'm going to write it. Any objectors can post here or on my talk page. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 17:38, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we could use some campaigns in the bio. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, since I have put major work into the Ackbar article, I figured I would chime in. First off, I am curious as to what major bits of info are not already included. Secondly, the campaigns section was written by me as well, with quite a bit of effort. I have been complimented on the section, as it breaks down Ackbar's major campaigns in service to the New Republic. If you want to transplant the info directly into the bio, I have no problem. But, I will argue against removing it from the article overall. AdmiralNick22 01:38, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The destruction of the Vendetta over Anoth is not listed. The First Corellian Insurrection gets not even a nod. The Thrawn section needed major work, as did the campaign against Krennel, in my humble opinion. I'll eventually move all the campaign info to the bio section as that more specifically follows other major characters' articles. I'm not downing your writing- it was pretty good. I will transplant the info and expand it as is my wont. My goal here recently has been to take the major characters' articles to a new level of quality- see Luke Skywalker. That's all I'm doing. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 05:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I beleive Ackbar came back in 28 or 29 ABY. If so, shouldn't the year ranges on his retirement and return match that?  -Fnlayson 05:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Like I said, WIP. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 05:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No biggie. Never said fix it now.  I asked so it won't get forgotten, by others and me. -Fnlayson 05:25, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. I'm watching this page, so it'll definitely draw my attention. If I forget, just remind me. I actually have borrowed the NEGTC, so I'm using it while I still can! Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 05:27, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Tragedy and triumph section (was Triumph and Tragedy)
The first Corellian insurrection occured after the final campaign between Ackbar and Pellaeon, not before. The NEC and the older EC say that the reason few New Republic warships were available during the Corellian crisis is because they were either undergoing repairs or already assigned patroling the borders of the Imperial Remnant. I think we need to edit that. AdmiralNick22 01:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, shouldn't this be called "Tragedy and Triumph"? The section starts in a bad part of Ackbar's life and ends at one of his finest acchievements. AdmiralNick22 01:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds right. I'll change the section label.  If anyone has a better name, let's hear it.  -Fnlayson 03:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops! Got a little carried away with copy/paste. My mistake. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 03:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I broke up the last paragraph and put parts in order with the 1st Corellian Insur. However, I removed mention of the Battle of Gravlex Med, since that didn't fit.  That's happened in 13 ABY and I don't see a place for it right now.  -Fnlayson 13:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. I put it like it was because that's how it was listed in the NEGTC. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 13:59, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure. Does it have anything on Ackbar fighting Imperial forces in the 12-15 ABY time frame?  -Fnlayson 14:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Not really, unless you mean Daala. I still need to add that battle over Yavin from Darksaber, and Ackbar's other actions during that time. It goes from Daala to Black Fleet. It places the campaign against Pellaeon concurrent with the First Corellian Insurrection and calls the EX-F the Glory of Yevetha. It says he commanded from the SSD Guardian during that campaign. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 14:35, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yea Daala then Pellaeon. I mean mainly in the 12-13 ABY time frame.  They had mostly peace for a couple years after that. -Fnlayson 14:44, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The timeline in here has Daala at 12-13 ABY. Other than that, nothing else around those years. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 14:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)