Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Log/2017 November 19

[02:00:56]  Welcome to Inqmoot 85 [02:01:12]  I will host until SE ideally becomes capable before the meeting ends [02:01:19]  Thanks Tope [02:01:28]  Install should be almost done [02:01:30]  I want to raise a discussion issue while ecks is still nominally coherent [02:01:51]  I think we should consider moving the standard Inqmoot time a few hours earlier [02:02:15]  I realize that will probably be more difficult on SE, but it makes it a lot more easier on Imperators and ecks [02:02:23]  Imperators can't even attend these meetings because it's too late for him [02:02:27]  And ecks is barely able to [02:02:36] Yeah, I was thinking the same thing. [02:02:38]  Sorry, SE, but it's a numbers game [02:02:52]  Four members present compared to three in a worst-case scenario [02:03:07]  It's cool, typically I am off Saturdays now (for the time being anyway) [02:03:17] it's 1AM right now, which is doable for me but ealrier is better [02:03:28]  If I'm not available I can just leave notes anyways [02:03:44]  What if we tried to do 4 PM ET like we do for AC meetings? [02:03:48] works for me [02:03:50]  Is that too early for anyone? [02:04:09] 4 PM works for me. [02:04:29] RIP ac+inqmoot weekends [02:04:36]  ^ [02:04:38] <Supreme_Emperor> Sounds fine to me [02:04:40] I won't miss those. [02:04:48] <Toprawa> Very well, then [02:04:54] <Toprawa> We will try to do meetings at 4 PM ET now [02:04:58] <Toprawa> Ok, moving along [02:05:04] <Supreme_Emperor> I'll be back momentarily, just booting up hexchat [02:05:10] *** Quits: Supreme_Emperor (~androirc@wookieepedia/administrator/Supreme-Emperor) (Quit: AndroIRC - Android IRC Client ( http://www.androirc.com )) [02:05:19] <Toprawa> Articles probed from Meeting 84 [02:05:39] <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Riiken [02:05:40] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Riiken | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:05:43] <Toprawa> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Riiken [02:05:44] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/Riiken | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:06:14] <Toprawa> I don't understand what I'm even looking at [02:06:27] <Toprawa> Something to do with the IMDb ref? [02:06:59] It got extended for the last two items, I believe. [02:07:13] <Toprawa> What did we say to do with that IMDb link? [02:07:15] <Toprawa> I can't remember [02:07:28] *** Joins: Supreme_Emperor (~SE@wookieepedia/administrator/Supreme-Emperor) [02:07:28] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Supreme_Emperor [02:07:33] And the ImDb note needed a better reference. [02:07:49] I believe that is what we said. [02:08:39] <Supreme_Emperor> Tesing [02:08:41] <Supreme_Emperor> Testing* [02:08:54] <Toprawa> Ok, looking at last meeting's log, we said to use a manual ref note instead [02:08:57] <Toprawa> Hi, SE [02:09:00] <Supreme_Emperor> Sweet [02:09:06] <Supreme_Emperor> Which are we on [02:09:07] <Toprawa> So, kill [02:09:10] <Toprawa> We are on Riiken [02:09:12] Kill [02:09:13] <Supreme_Emperor> kill [02:09:41] <Supreme_Emperor> I'll take over after the next article, just need a few minutes to get set up [02:09:49] <Toprawa> I'm still setting up myself [02:09:51] <Toprawa> I wasn't prepared for this [02:10:24] <Supreme_Emperor> I might be ready before you then lol [02:10:44] <Supreme_Emperor> I'll take over now then if you'd like [02:10:54] <Toprawa> Imperators and ecks vote kill [02:10:56] <Toprawa> Riiken is killed [02:10:59] <Toprawa> Go ahead, SE [02:11:00] kill [02:11:04] <Supreme_Emperor> Thanks again Tope [02:11:08] <Supreme_Emperor> Ok, next article [02:11:19] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7196361 [02:11:20] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Pablo-Jill/Legends | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:11:29] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Pablo-Jill/Legends [02:11:30] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/Pablo-Jill/Legends | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:11:35] <Supreme_Emperor> No changes [02:11:37] <Toprawa> Kill [02:11:38] kill [02:11:40] Kill [02:11:40] <Supreme_Emperor> kill [02:11:48] <Supreme_Emperor> Pablo-Jill killed [02:12:04] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7251773 [02:12:05] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Darth Sion | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:13:04] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Darth_Sion_(second_review) [02:13:07] <Supreme_Emperor> Sorry, lag [02:13:19] <Supreme_Emperor> No changes [02:13:20] killllllllll [02:13:25] <Supreme_Emperor> kill [02:13:28] Kill [02:13:40] <Supreme_Emperor> Tope? [02:13:45] <Toprawa> Kill [02:13:52] <Supreme_Emperor> Darth Sion killed [02:13:58] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7179958 [02:14:00] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Roark Garnet | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:14:06] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Roark_Garnet [02:14:07] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/Roark Garnet | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:14:23] <Supreme_Emperor> Cav appears to have fixed all the noted issues [02:14:29] <Toprawa> I'm not satisfied with some of these date refs... [02:14:41] <Toprawa> "Roark Garnet's character sheet on page 8 of the Star Wars: The Roleplaying Game lists his age as 28. As the game's timeframe is set during the span of the films from 0 ABY to 4 ABY, an exact birth year cannot be determined." [02:14:54] <Toprawa> The film's ABY years aren't self sourcing [02:14:58] <Toprawa> That needs to be attributed to something [02:15:26] <Toprawa> "during the span of the films, which The New Essential Chronology dates from 0 ABY to 4 ABY" or something like that [02:15:35] <Toprawa> There are three or four of these: [02:15:37] <Toprawa> "In Gundark's Fantastic Technology: Personal Gear, Roark Garnet left comments on the E-11 blaster rifle on Gundark's Gear Datalog on 45:4:09:9. As 10 ABY commences on 45:3 GrS, Garnet's comments must have been made in the same year." [02:15:38] <Supreme_Emperor> I propose probe and note any new issues [02:15:49] <Toprawa> "10 ABY commences on 45:3" isn't self-sourcing [02:16:34] <Toprawa> "As 3 BBY commences on 32:3 GrS" [02:16:38] <Toprawa> [02:16:39] Most of the date refs will need additional referencing from what I am seeing. [02:17:13] <Toprawa> There's a reason why this ref note is as humongous as it is. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/3_BBY/Legends#cite_note-YearGrS-6 [02:17:14] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: 3 BBY | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:17:27] <Toprawa> That's specifically what he's just jumping over without explaining [02:17:47] <Toprawa> He needs to cite that explanation somehow [02:18:06] Yeah, I made somebody use a version of that recently in a nomination. [02:18:31] That's going to be a lot of reference text. [02:18:41] <Toprawa> He could just pipelink it. [02:18:52] <Supreme_Emperor> Lets probe it and note these on the review page [02:19:03] <Toprawa> If it was me, I would do something like "As 3 BBY commences on 32:3, as explained here..." [02:19:06] <Toprawa> But that needs to be done [02:19:08] <Toprawa> It's already probed [02:19:12] <Toprawa> It needs to be extended [02:19:17] Extend [02:19:17] <Supreme_Emperor> Extend* [02:19:20] <Toprawa> Extend [02:19:31] <Supreme_Emperor> ecks? [02:19:46] extend [02:19:57] <Supreme_Emperor> Roark Garnet extended [02:20:00] <Supreme_Emperor> Next up [02:20:16] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7166978 [02:20:17] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Windo Nend | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:20:23] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Windo_Nend [02:20:24] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/Windo Nend | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:20:26] <Supreme_Emperor> No changes [02:20:31] <Toprawa> Kill [02:20:34] <Supreme_Emperor> Kill [02:20:41] Kill [02:20:41] killl [02:20:51] <Supreme_Emperor> Windo Nend killed [02:21:03] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7166015 [02:21:05] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Shaela Nuur | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:21:14] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Shaela_Nuur [02:21:15] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/Shaela Nuur | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:21:20] <Supreme_Emperor> Again, no changes [02:21:30] <Supreme_Emperor> Kill [02:21:38] Kill [02:21:48] <Toprawa> KillKill [02:21:50] kill [02:21:58] <Supreme_Emperor> Shaela Nuur killed [02:22:05] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7165709 [02:22:06] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Netus | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:22:11] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Netus [02:22:12] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/Netus | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:22:20] <Supreme_Emperor> No changes [02:22:22] <Toprawa> Kill [02:22:27] <Supreme_Emperor> Kill [02:22:29] Kill [02:22:49] <Supreme_Emperor> ecks? [02:22:54] kill [02:22:56] <Supreme_Emperor> Netus killed [02:23:18] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7164940 [02:23:19] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Darth Nihilus | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:23:24] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Darth_Nihilus [02:23:25] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/Darth Nihilus | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:23:36] <Toprawa> Imperators wanted us to extend this because no one ever answered Naru's question on the review page [02:23:47] <Toprawa> And he added a bunch of new stuff [02:23:51] <Toprawa> And I have one more [02:23:55] <Supreme_Emperor> Naru has fixed some, and Imp has added more [02:24:01] <Toprawa> Get that damn reference note out of the intro [02:24:08] <Supreme_Emperor> ^ [02:24:24] <Toprawa> So, extend [02:24:28] Extend [02:24:29] <Supreme_Emperor> Extend [02:24:45] <Supreme_Emperor> ecks? [02:24:53] * ecks tend [02:25:03] <Supreme_Emperor> Darth Nihilus extended [02:25:11] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7134342 [02:25:13] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Calo Nord | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:25:18] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Calo_Nord [02:25:19] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/Calo Nord | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:25:21] <Supreme_Emperor> No changes [02:25:30] <Supreme_Emperor> Kill [02:25:31] <Toprawa> Kill [02:25:32] Kill [02:25:41] kill [02:25:47] <Supreme_Emperor> Calo Nord killed [02:25:55] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7120227 [02:25:56] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Sharr Latt | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:26:02] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Sharr_Latt [02:26:03] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/Sharr Latt | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:26:09] <Supreme_Emperor> No changes [02:26:12] <Toprawa> Kill [02:26:13] Kill [02:26:14] <Supreme_Emperor> Kill [02:26:18] killl [02:26:24] <Supreme_Emperor> Sharr Latt killed [02:26:32] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7097675 [02:26:33] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Laigrek | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:26:56] <Toprawa> Might be looking for this, SE http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Laigrek_(second_review) [02:27:00] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Laigrek_(second_review) [02:27:06] <Toprawa> :) [02:27:06] <Supreme_Emperor> I realize that now :P [02:27:12] <Supreme_Emperor> I'll fix that after [02:27:17] <Supreme_Emperor> No changes [02:27:18] <Toprawa> Kill [02:27:21] <Supreme_Emperor> Kill [02:27:25] kill [02:27:28] Kill [02:27:33] <Supreme_Emperor> Laigrek killed [02:27:47] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7097674 [02:27:48] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Darth Millennial | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:27:52] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Darth_Millennial [02:27:53] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/Darth Millennial | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:28:03] <Supreme_Emperor> No changes [02:28:04] <Toprawa> Kill [02:28:05] killll [02:28:09] Kill [02:28:10] <Supreme_Emperor> Darth Millennial killed [02:28:17] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7196367 [02:28:18] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Kalyn Farnmir | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:28:26] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Kalyn_Farnmir [02:28:27] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Wookieepedia:Inq/Kalyn Farnmir | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:28:34] <Supreme_Emperor> No changes [02:28:37] <Supreme_Emperor> Kill [02:28:40] Kill [02:28:42] <Toprawa> Kill [02:28:59] <Supreme_Emperor> ecks? [02:29:04] kill [02:29:09] <Supreme_Emperor> Kalyn Farnmir killed [02:29:11] <Supreme_Emperor> Onto the new [02:29:18] <Supreme_Emperor> We start with a wall of text from Hanzo [02:29:35] <Supreme_Emperor> Mount Corvast — saw this in article showcase, and found it littered with MoS violations. The text "whether the wall was installed for defensive purposes during the Clone Wars, or existed prior, is unknown" and "a problem likely encountered by both Republic and Confederacy forces when they scaled the mountain in 22 BBY" alone are in the Description section, "an undetermined time" introduces the earl [02:29:36] <Supreme_Emperor> y history section, and two sections later "whether it was by Tann's hand [that Drakas died] or by some other means is not known" is found. Looking at its talk page, it was an unsuccessful RFAN literally removed for that being an unaddressed objection, and no formal review was ever made. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 02:46, November 8, 2017 (UTC) [02:29:43] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mount_Corvast [02:29:44] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Mount Corvast | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:29:56] delete [02:29:58] csd' [02:30:27] *** Joins: Ralltiir (~chatzilla@wookieepedia/bureaucrat/Toprawa) [02:30:27] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Ralltiir [02:31:17] <Supreme_Emperor> What did you see last Tope? [02:32:17] *** Joins: Scipio_Africanus (~chatzilla@wookieepedia/bureaucrat/Toprawa) [02:32:17] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Scipio_Africanus [02:32:22] <Supreme_Emperor> This thing hasn't had any formal reviews tbh [02:32:32] <Scipio_Africanus> smh [02:32:33] This article looks like an article from 2007. [02:32:34] <Supreme_Emperor> Not since a "review" in 2007 [02:32:42] <Supreme_Emperor> It is :P [02:32:43] <Scipio_Africanus> Sorry, where are we? [02:32:53] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mount_Corvast [02:32:54] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Mount Corvast | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:33:07] <Scipio_Africanus> !ping [02:33:07] <Nuku-Nuku> pong [02:33:18] <Supreme_Emperor> Hanzo left a wall on the Inq meeting page about it [02:33:34] *** Quits: Toprawa (~chatzilla@wookieepedia/bureaucrat/Toprawa) (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) [02:33:37] *** Scipio_Africanus is now known as Toprawa [02:33:38] <Supreme_Emperor> It's a 2007 article that went through a 2007 "review" then failed a re-featured nomination [02:33:44] Lots of speculation / assumptions. [02:33:48] <Toprawa> ^ [02:33:54] killlll [02:33:55] <Supreme_Emperor> Can we just kill it now? [02:33:57] or probeo [02:34:01] or something [02:34:11] <Toprawa> Probe [02:34:15] <Supreme_Emperor> Or do we have to probe and note that everything about it sucks and kill it in a month [02:34:18] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [02:34:21] Probe [02:34:25] <Toprawa> Rules are rules [02:34:37] The BTS sucks. [02:34:55] <Supreme_Emperor> Mount Corvast probed for every reason [02:35:00] <Toprawa> ^ [02:35:06] *** Quits: Ralltiir (~chatzilla@wookieepedia/bureaucrat/Toprawa) (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) [02:35:23] <Toprawa> I said this before right when I got cut off, so I don't know if it got through [02:35:31] <Toprawa> But, let's agree to not do everything in the bin [02:35:35] <Toprawa> Ain't no one got time for that [02:35:39] I agree. [02:35:43] <Supreme_Emperor> Agreed [02:35:52] <Supreme_Emperor> A bunch are in fact ones we just killed now [02:36:01] Going until 8:00 PM ET like we did last time seems good. [02:36:05] <Supreme_Emperor> 7 in fact [02:36:37] <Supreme_Emperor> I'm good with going until 8 [02:36:57] <Supreme_Emperor> First up is [02:37:03] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Coruscant_Security_Force?t=20171116012709 [02:37:04] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Coruscant Security Force | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:37:08] <Supreme_Emperor> Update needed [02:37:29] p [02:37:35] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [02:37:41] Source was just released, I think. [02:37:46] <Supreme_Emperor> Was it? [02:37:56] <Supreme_Emperor> So it was [02:37:56] November 15th [02:38:00] <Toprawa> Ugh, I can't let this go [02:38:02] <Toprawa> I wanted to [02:38:07] <Toprawa> But I can't [02:38:09] <Supreme_Emperor> :P [02:38:12] <Supreme_Emperor> Next time [02:38:17] <Toprawa> This article's got some really massive paragraphs [02:38:17] <Supreme_Emperor> In this case, first up is [02:38:37] <Toprawa> Look at the last one here in Oasis http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Coruscant_Security_Force#Rule_of_the_Empire [02:38:39] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Coruscant Security Force | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:38:52] <Toprawa> 19 lines [02:38:58] <Toprawa> No article ever should have a 19-line paragraph [02:39:05] That is way too big. [02:39:10] <Supreme_Emperor> Much text [02:39:31] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Independence?t=20171112221251 [02:39:32] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Independence | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:39:37] <Supreme_Emperor> Update needed here [02:39:41] <Toprawa> Wait [02:39:48] <Toprawa> What article are we doing? [02:39:57] <Supreme_Emperor> Independence [02:40:02] <Toprawa> What happened to CSF? [02:40:15] <Supreme_Emperor> I thought we were skipping it because new source [02:40:30] <Toprawa> Yes, but then I brought up other issue(s) [02:40:33] <Supreme_Emperor> Unless we want to probe it on other points and note the new source update net month [02:40:40] <Supreme_Emperor> Ah, gotcha [02:40:41] <Toprawa> The worst thing you can do is show me your FA [02:40:44] <Toprawa> Because I'm going to find something [02:40:49] <Supreme_Emperor> :P [02:41:08] <Supreme_Emperor> Alright, we will stick with CSF for now [02:41:15] <Supreme_Emperor> What else do we have on it [02:41:25] <Toprawa> Someone needs to go through this whole article and adjust the biggest paragraphs [02:41:35] <Toprawa> That will allow for more images if available too [02:42:16] <Toprawa> Some of the BTS referencing is bullshit [02:42:22] <Toprawa> Under the new canon established on April 25, 2014, the Coruscant Security Force was first mentioned indirectly in the film Star Wars: Episode II Attack of the Clones, which was released on May 16, 2002, when Anakin Skywalker states that protection is supposed to be the job of the "local security." [02:42:32] <Toprawa> All of that is sourced to AOTC. [02:42:34] <Toprawa> wut [02:42:40] <Supreme_Emperor> Needs dates in the bio [02:42:47] <Supreme_Emperor> History* [02:43:00] <Toprawa> You're right, though it's particularly tricky for the nominator to fix [02:43:07] <Toprawa> Because Canon's dating game is weak [02:43:16] <Toprawa> But that's not my problem [02:43:35] <Toprawa> That's your people's problem for writing Canon articles before they established a dating system [02:43:38] <Toprawa> Live and learn, bitches [02:43:42] <Supreme_Emperor> Yeah, it doesn't give any indication of timing [02:43:56] <Toprawa> There are dates, though [02:43:59] <Supreme_Emperor> It goes from the attempt on Padme right to the TCW episode about the stolen lightsaber [02:44:06] <Toprawa> Someone just needs to go through source material and mine for them [02:44:13] I'd argue that the BTS needs subsections. [02:44:24] <Toprawa> I like subsectioned BTSes [02:44:35] <Supreme_Emperor> Jeez yeah [02:45:21] <Toprawa> Cool [02:45:23] <Toprawa> Let's probe for this stuff [02:45:26] Probe [02:45:27] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe for all the things [02:45:29] <Toprawa> Probe [02:45:40] <Supreme_Emperor> ecks? [02:46:11] <Supreme_Emperor> Coruscant Security Force/Canon probed [02:46:28] <Supreme_Emperor> Next up then is [02:46:33] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Independence?t=20171112221251 [02:46:34] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Independence | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:46:39] <Supreme_Emperor> Update needed [02:47:14] The Description should be subsectioned. [02:47:16] <Toprawa> The infobox image should have a higher-res scan to fill the width [02:47:23] <Toprawa> I'm guessing that's the CCG image [02:48:21] <Toprawa> I'd say Commanders/crew and BTS could be subsectioned as well [02:48:24] The BTS is partially sourced. [02:48:38] And there are some formatting issues there as well. [02:48:39] <Supreme_Emperor> It could do a better job noting BBY/ABY dating [02:48:58] <Toprawa> Databank refs need to have titles fixed [02:49:10] <Toprawa> I'm actually fairly impressed with the date referencing [02:49:17] <Toprawa> He made an effort at it [02:49:30] <Toprawa> I think all of it actually works [02:49:38] <Toprawa> Though I personally prefer manual notes [02:50:05] <Supreme_Emperor> I mean in universe dating, not ref notes [02:50:16] <Supreme_Emperor> "Constructed by Mon Calamari Shipyards prior to the fall of the Galactic Republic" [02:50:23] <Supreme_Emperor> Could use a date [02:50:34] <Supreme_Emperor> "One of the first uses of the new starfighter came at the Battle of Turkana in the months leading up to the Battle of Yavin." [02:51:08] <Toprawa> I wouldn't necessarily shoehorn hard dates into every single time frame mention [02:51:33] <Supreme_Emperor> It's like this for the entire article though [02:51:54] <Toprawa> Those two examples you just quoted from, I wouldn't push for a specific date to be mentioned [02:52:28] <Supreme_Emperor> After it notes the Clone wars ending in 19 BBY, the next time a date is mentioned is 2 ABY, many paragraphs down [02:52:36] <Toprawa> It's like saying "Jack was born before the United States entered the Second World War, which they did on December 8, 1941." [02:52:41] <Toprawa> It's just kind of silly [02:53:23] <Supreme_Emperor> I see your point, but a bit of clarity really wouldn't hurt [02:53:30] <Toprawa> If you want dates mentioned in specific places, I think that's something you should talk to and work with GT on [02:53:39] <Toprawa> I wouldn't make that a condition here [02:53:53] <Supreme_Emperor> I can work with that [02:54:09] <Supreme_Emperor> I'm just thinking a bit more clarity wouldn't be a bad thing [02:54:24] i think we shoudl move on before i pass out [02:54:42] <Supreme_Emperor> So probe for Tope's points then [02:54:43] <Toprawa> There comes a point where clarity is just adding unnecessary details, though [02:55:00] <Toprawa> You can reference events just as effectively without needing to mention specific dates [02:55:20] <Toprawa> Probe [02:55:25] <Supreme_Emperor> Probe [02:55:25] p [02:55:29] Probe [02:55:43] <Supreme_Emperor> Independence probed [02:55:43] if i'm on paperwork for this meeting i might hav eto commit seppuku [02:55:48] <Supreme_Emperor> lol [02:55:50] <Toprawa> You're not, ecks [02:55:54] phew [02:55:57] <Toprawa> This is our last one, I think [02:55:59] <Supreme_Emperor> Alright, one more before time [02:56:00] i live to see another day [02:56:00] <Toprawa> We're at the buzzer [02:56:16] <Supreme_Emperor> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Hyperspace_Security_Net?t=20171031233734 [02:56:17] <Nuku-Nuku> Title: Imperial Hyperspace Security Net | Wookieepedia | FANDOM powered by Wikia (at starwars.wikia.com) [02:56:20] <Toprawa> aw man, that intro [02:56:20] <Supreme_Emperor> Update needed [02:56:23] <Toprawa> Paragraph breaks plz [02:56:56] <Supreme_Emperor> Large paragraphs are fun [02:57:09] <Toprawa> ABY dates need to be looked at [02:57:14] <Toprawa> I think the 137 ABYs are fine [02:57:22] <Toprawa> The 10 ABY is sourced to the comic, though, which is no-no [02:57:53] <Toprawa> That's the only one, I think, actually [02:58:05] <Toprawa> BTS needs to be sourced [02:58:23] <Toprawa> Well, speaking of dates... [02:58:53] <Supreme_Emperor> lol [02:58:59] <Toprawa> I think the BTS ought to make an effort into looking at whether specific dates can be mentioned for the issues' publications [02:59:24] <Toprawa> Like, issue 4 apparently came out on June 23, 1992 [02:59:33] <Toprawa> That should be mentioned if it can be sourced to something, like Marvel.com [03:00:06] <Supreme_Emperor> Lets probe [03:00:10] <Toprawa> Probe [03:00:24] Probe [03:00:39] <Supreme_Emperor> ecks? [03:00:58] <Supreme_Emperor> Imperial Hyperspace Security Net probed [03:01:01] <Supreme_Emperor> Think we lost him [03:01:15] p [03:01:29] <Supreme_Emperor> Discussion items [03:01:33] <Toprawa> You know, this raises a procedural issue that I think needs to be pointed out while we're here [03:01:45] <Toprawa> We technically need four supports to probe or kill anything [03:01:53] <Toprawa> We can't be doing it with just three [03:02:01] <Toprawa> This is in the Inq rules [03:02:13] <Toprawa> Whoever is running the meeting needs to be mindful of this [03:02:49] <Supreme_Emperor> Perhaps we should look at lowering that to three [03:03:17] <Toprawa> "With the approval of at least 4 Inquisitors and less than 2 opposed, an article being considered for removal of FA status can be placed on probation as follows:" [03:03:46] <Toprawa> It should be less of an issue now that we're moving the meetings back, though [03:03:59] <Supreme_Emperor> I suppose [03:04:20] <Toprawa> But there were times this meeting where we were about to probe or kill something with three supports before ecks chimed in [03:04:22] <Toprawa> We can't be doing that [03:04:43] haven't we had absentee notes though [03:04:45] <Supreme_Emperor> Although we did have Imp's votes to probe (though I should have mentioned his votes at the proper time) [03:04:56] <Supreme_Emperor> That's my bad [03:05:22] <Toprawa> It's mostly an issue for us right now when we bring up new stuff that maybe someone didn't mention in their absentee notes [03:05:49] <Supreme_Emperor> He did note to probe any new things from the maintenance bin [03:05:51] <Toprawa> It helps if, when we leave absentee notes, that we grant our votes to someone for any further issues [03:06:16] hence my " anything from the maintenance bin etc." [03:06:20] <Toprawa> Ok, I'm done lecturing [03:06:20] etc = do whatever [03:06:26] <Toprawa> Move along, please :P [03:06:53] <Supreme_Emperor> In this case then [03:07:00] <Supreme_Emperor> ecks, you have a discussion item [03:07:14] if youd mind pasting it here [03:07:24] <Supreme_Emperor> Happily [03:07:25] <Supreme_Emperor> Proposal to lower the amount of Inqvotes needed to strike an objection to three in favor and less than two opposed. [03:07:42] pretty self-explanatory [03:07:59] we can remove whole nominations with three, idk why we'd need more than three to strike objections [03:08:02] <Toprawa> Did we not do this last meeting? [03:08:04] <Supreme_Emperor> I see no problem with this [03:08:09] <Toprawa> I feel like I'm having deja vu [03:08:14] we did something similar [03:08:19] but we forgot about the striking [03:08:20] <Supreme_Emperor> Last meeting was this [03:08:20] <Supreme_Emperor> t was decided that only three Inq votes are needed to remove a nomination with idle objections. [03:08:20] <Supreme_Emperor> It was decided that only four Inq votes are necessary to probe articles. [03:08:20] <Supreme_Emperor> It was decided that only four Inq votes are necessary to remove/keep articles. [03:08:21] I think we did this before. [03:09:03] <Supreme_Emperor> I have no issue with lowering to three [03:09:19] <Toprawa> What is the required number now? [03:09:22] <Toprawa> Five? [03:09:35] yep [03:09:40] <Toprawa> Yeah, make it three [03:10:12] Sure [03:10:21] <Supreme_Emperor> All in favor of lowering the number needed to strike objections to three votes and less than 2 opposed say [03:10:23] <Supreme_Emperor> Support [03:10:26] <Toprawa> Support [03:10:30] Support [03:10:30] support [03:10:36] <Supreme_Emperor> Motion passes [03:10:42] <Supreme_Emperor> Any other discussion items? [03:10:47] <Toprawa> uhhhhhh [03:10:53] <Toprawa> Racking my brainnnnn [03:10:57] <Toprawa> I thought there was something [03:10:58] I just want to point out how depressing it is that i'm closer to being 40 than i am to my own birth [03:11:08] <Supreme_Emperor> lol [03:11:12] <Toprawa> heh [03:11:25] <Toprawa> I'm pretty sure I'm the oldest person in this channel right now [03:11:28] <Toprawa> Take solace [03:11:54] <Toprawa> Oh, right [03:11:57] <Toprawa> Not a discussion item [03:12:02] my hair will probably turn grey before i turn 25 [03:12:11] <Toprawa> But, I was supposed to do the paperwork last meeting and totally forgot [03:12:17] <Toprawa> EJ picked me up, for which I thank him [03:12:21] np [03:12:24] <Toprawa> So I will volunteer for paperwork this time around [03:13:00] <Supreme_Emperor> This means that Tope has scheduling and paperwork [03:13:10] <Toprawa> It is my duty to please that Inqbooty [03:13:23] <Supreme_Emperor> If we have no further items, I declare meeting adjourned