Talk:Coruscant/Archive1

Total Population
--Master Starkeiller 16:04, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)I added it in favor of the other numbers that have been stated previously, and for the fact that a city-covered planet would logically have more than a trillion inhbitants. There has been a lot of debate about the 1 trillion number, and so I thought I'd add the "possibly". --Master Starkeiller 00:15, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)You mean trillion. And realistically, we're talking about quadrillions here. "Over" is much better. --Master Starkeiller 22:02, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)For the sake of realism though, we must have "Over" there. I'll agree with SFH that the trillion number is the number taken by official surveys. Realism contradicts canon here, and even though this is the Star Wars universe, the 1 trillion number is ridiculous. I think the survey explanation works perfectly with "Over" there. --Master Starkeiller 23:57, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)There can be ways around these. Can there be a way around Coruscant, capital of the galaxy, being literally a desert of buildings? Even if there can be, "Over" is correct, even in current canon. It can't be a square trillion anyway... Okay, as I said earlier, "Over" is vague enough so that anyone can believe what he choses. Also, it's neutral enough to preserve canon. --Master Starkeiller 02:24, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC) I'd be better if we avoided mistakes, though. This is an encyclopaedia. Either way, "Over" fits nicely. --Master Starkeiller 11:36, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Seeing as a 'possibly' has just been added to the 1 trillion number: is there actual any debate about the population anymore? Im pretty sure the most recent in-continuity source about it was Traitor, which called it as 1 Trillion. Or is something more recent saying otherwise? Durnar 15:02, 21 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * That is a good point. Also, that is probably the number taken by official survey's. Who knows how many their are in the Undercities. User:SFH
 * I changed the "Possibly" the "Over" since that covers any discrepancy (since, "officially" its a little over 1 billion, but realistically it should be a LOT over 1 billion). QuentinGeorge 10:25, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * 1 trillion is the figure given by Inside the Worlds of The Phantom Menace. See also my posting of this scan at Wikipedia:Talk:Coruscant. -- Riffsyphon1024 01:04, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * You think that's bad? West End Games sourcebooks tended to claim numbers like 5-10 billion.  &mdash; Silly Dan  22:07, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Realism does not contradict canon here. If that was the case, then we wouldn't be hearing spacecraft in flight or seeing ships explode. -- Riffsyphon1024 22:08, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, maybe the parts of the planet we see are atypical, and large sections of the planet are no more heavily populated than typical Earth cities. If that were the case, estimating the population from assuming Coruscant's entirely convered in mile-high skyscrapers would work as well as estimating the population of the USA by assuming it's all as built up as Manhattan. If a modern Earth downtown population density were the average, that'd give us a few tens of trillions instead of quadrillions.  &mdash; Silly Dan  00:47, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Take in note that not all sections of Coruscant are filled with skyscrapers. There are areas like The Works and the Manarai Mountains that do not have the same population density. -- Riffsyphon1024 01:26, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Starkeiller, we dont have to have every single article entirely pc and neutral so as not to make the tiniest mistake. ITWOTPM says 1 trillion. Traitor, which I believe was published after this, says 1 Trillion. And as I dont think this has been contradicted by any later sources, 1 Trillion is the correct number. Durnar 08:46, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * If its a mistake it can be corrected, but the officail numbers arent mistakes. And anyay, it should probably be included that the population is considerably less as of TJK. Durnar 11:39, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)

New pic
It looks different than any others I've seen of Coruscant... Makes it look like the planet isn't 100% city-covered. Where is it from? --Master Starkeiller 01:02, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, for one thing, Coruscant is not 100% city. There are some bodies of water, as well as some exposed mountain peaks. As for this picture, I don't know where it's from. Honestly, it still looks pretty city-covered to me, although the cloud cover seems to be more than I would've imagined. My own imagination has little to do with fact, though. – Aidje talk 04:13, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * It is Coruscant. If you go to the page with the picture, you will recognize it. -- SFH 14:19, 29 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I think we should keep the one from Episode I, since it is like the "Official" photo of Coruscant. --24.247.124.158
 * I think we should switch places with the last one. --Master Starkeiller 01:59, 30 Aug 2005 (UTC)

What do people think of the pic from wikipedia?? []. I'd like to see that instead. --Merbabu 11:32, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

The Imperial Palace
The Imperial Palace was supposed to have been there when the Old Republic was still ruling but where was it?

And was the Imperial Palace the small pyramid like building in the end of ROTJ? if so then it was not anything like I pictured it.

I think the Imperial Palace, originally called the Presidential Palace, was in the Senate District. However, the Palace never actually made an appearance in ROTJ (which is a bummer, I know; maybe it will show up in the new TV series coming up). As for the design, it was said that Emperor Palpatine made some major renovations and built new structures into it. I'm not sure what the original design looked like, but the Palace we see was influenced by architectural styles ranging at least since the formation of the Old Republic (though it looks like it bears some similarities to Sith temples). -- SFH 02:09, 14 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * There's been a discussion about this over at TF.N. Basically, any number of prequel buildings have been proposed as the Palace - including 500 Republica and the EmPalSuRecon - but, as SFH said, it doesn't actually appear at all in the movie. However, Coruscant and the Core Worlds includes a map that places it at the end of the Glitanni Esplanade and just north-east of the Senate. The Jedi Temple is marked as north-west from the Palace, so, since both Senate and Temple are seen from Imperial Plaza in RotJ, it may be that the Palace's location is hidden behind the buildings that separate those two structures in that shot - Kwenn 08:17, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Question about the Inconsistencies Section
Specifically, regarding this paragraph here:

The assumption that Coruscant was made up of many layers of buildings on top of each other, supported by Expanded Universe works such as the Young Jedi Knights series, was not supported by the appearance of the planet in The Phantom Menace. The canonical interpretation was revised for The New Jedi Order. Now, Coruscant is essentially two planet-spanning cities: one on the surface and one underground. The underground city takes the status of "lower levels" from the retconned covered-over buildings. Incidentally, this new interpretation makes Coruscant much more like Trantor, the imperial capital in Isaac Asimov's Foundation series. It also explains why the surface seen in Attack of the Clones was not nearly as dismal as the lower levels in YJK: they were below the surface in the book.

I don't recall any such retcon. The depiction in TPM doesn't contradict earlier appearances at all, and in AotC it's clear that they're not actually at groundlevel, but rather at streetlevel, which is on top of yet more buildings. Since the PT Coruscant has continued to be depicted in the same way with no major changes that I noticed. I'd say this whole paragraph could be removed, although I wanted to double check first. 000 02:52, 20 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. That paragraph has always bugged me. QuentinGeorge 06:12, 20 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I also agree. Does anyone have a source on the existence of this retcon? -LtNOWIS 06:18, 20 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Moons
I thought Coruscant had 4 moons before the Vong invasion. When did it turn to 6?Thanos6 05:14, 23 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * It never had more than 4. I fixed it.  The Bridge is NOT a sixth moon; it is the remnant of one or more moons DESTROYED by the the YVong.JustinGann 00:05, 26 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * One and for all, there is NO Centax-4; Coruscant only has FOUR moons, not 6! The Rainbrow Bridge was made from one of the four, it is not a sixth moonJustinGann 07:07, 10 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Districts and their mayors
Thanks to the recent Databank update, we know a little bit more about Coruscant's government. Like Acros-Krik, I think that each district has their own mayor. Trey Duna, from Coruscant and the Core Worlds was also mayor of Imperial City. Any thoughts on this? --24.247.126.44 00:31, 20 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * It would make sense in such a complicated system. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:02, 20 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Fauna!
Whoa! Who says Coruscani ogres=Cthons? Cthons, IIRC, are blind; ogres are NOT!JustinGann 03:19, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Oops. My mistake. I was unaware of that fact. The information I had read about the Cthons and the Ogres had lead me to believe that they were the same species. I apologize. -- SFH 03:28, 29 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Big decision
There are a bunch of sub articles out there about Coruscant, like Imperial City and Galactic City. Should they be merged as a subsection to the Coruscant article?--Xilentshadow900 22:08, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Very good question. Meditate on this we should.  --Merbabu 11:36, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No. In the same way we wouldn't merge Theed City with Naboo. Despite Captain Obvious' statement to the contrary, Coruscant is not entirely covered by Galactic City, and so the two are not synonymous. And Imperial City and Galactic City are the same article - Kwenn 11:42, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, naboo vs. theed are not a good comparison - they refer to different places, whereas we are talking about the same place, different name. Btw, I just checked those links and Imperial CIty and Galactic City link to Galactic City.--Merbabu 12:00, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Regarding the Holographic Zoo for Extinct Animals.
I remember someone asking for a source a while back. Well I was reading Star Wars: Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan - Last Stand on Ord Mantell #1 and that's where Qui-Gon met with Baroness Omnino.

So if you want to put it back in, it is canon. Not much about it other then exists. Linkman95 09:38, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

Other Names
"Coruscant, also known as Coruscanta in Mando'a, Triple Zero to some clone commandoes, Imperial Center during the reign of the Galactic Empire, and Yuuzhan'tar after its conquest by the Yuuzhan Vong, was the political center of the Galaxy for millennia."

Are all of the above really necessary? Coruscanta and Triple Zero seem particularly irrelevant, especially since "Triple Zero" is a slang and refers to the sector coordinates... -- 000 01:43, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree that Coruscanta and Triple Zero should be moved to another section, since they're what certain groups refer to it as rather than a general thing. The other two, though, are distinct names that the planet took in different eras. - Lord Hydronium 04:51, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright, time to get rid of these cumbersome names in the opening sentence. Yuuzhantar is adressed further below, and I don't see why the Mando'a and CLone slang terms are even there at all.--71.248.190.244 18:52, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That was me BTW. Forgot to sign in *slaps head*--Jerry 18:54, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Feel free to move them. QuentinGeorge 21:06, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Everytime I do, it gets reverted. If I may be blunt: STOP REVERTING THE 1ST PARAGRAPH. The Mano'a is completely irrelevant as is the GAR slang, at least as far as the opening paragraph goes, that should be for MAJOR alternate names, not names in a warrior/fan language or military slang terms.--Jerry 20:31, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Fiery?
Why does Coruscant look fiery in soem pictures? I tried to see in Ep. II but I just can't figure it out. Is there liek lava at ground level or something?

66.176.13.157 04:10, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It's all the city lights. If you've ever seen a picture of North America or Europe at night from space, it looks much the same (although on a smaller scale). Kuralyov 04:16, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

The wierd thing is they look like theyre in circles. 66.176.13.157 18:58, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Planetary Districts -SWF
 * In particular, the lava-like formation seen in AotC is the Corusca Circus - Kwenn 21:08, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Population again
Is there a canon source for a population of 1 quadrillion? I definately think the relevant section could be rewritten, anyway - here's my suggestion:

Most recent Expanded Universe sources, such as the books Inside the Worlds of The Phantom Menace and Coruscant and the Core Worlds, have stated a population of 1 trillion for Coruscant. Other sources have variously given widely divergent figures, such as 5 billion, 176 billion, and 1 quadrillion, and the lower-end figures have been criticised as vastly underestimating the population-density of a planet-wide city.

In the real world, the highest-density urban areas such as Manhattan Island have populations of around 20-25 thousand people per km², while a major metropolis like New York City has a population density of approximately 10,000 per km². Coruscant's planetary surface area is just under 500 million km², so a planetary Manhattan would thus have a potential population of more than 10 trillion, and a planetary New York a population of 5 trillion; but while some parts of Coruscant are unquestionably built up far in excess of the scale of anything on Earth, it must also be borne in mind that the planet does not function in the same manner as a real-world conurbation: a city is not simply a high-density population zone.

Much of Coruscant is taken up by sparsely-inhabited non-residential areas. We see public spaces like the vast plaza around the Senate Building, extensive industrial zones such as The Works and extensive personal estates such as Surtsey and Darth Vader's castle, the immense aquifer of the Western Sea, icecaps, spaceports, and military bases. Even in the urbanized centre of the city-world, a single woman of relatively modest tastes such as Padmé Amidala occupies an entire level of her appartment block, while the Supreme Chancellor makes use of a multitude of extensive apartments, official venues and offices.

While the metropolitan area of Imperial City is likely to have a population density far surpassing any place on Earth, much of Coruscant's planetary surface can be accounted for by relatively low-density uses - as indeed Coruscant and the Core Worlds indicates. The oft-stated population of one trillion is thus practicable, although it should be noted that some fans would prefer a much higher population density, and much more extensive residential urbanism.

Thoughts? --McEwok 16:44, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I always agreed that 1 trillion was a fair estimate. What else is there to say? -- Riffsyphon1024 21:34, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, does anyone have any objections/modifications to that proposed edit? --McEwok 14:16, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No serious objections, except that we don't know where 1 quadrillion comes from. If it's not canon, it'd be nice to have it sourced (SWTC?) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 14:43, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Updated and slightly tweaked. I've left out the "1 quadrillion", as I can't currently find a canon source for it, but added in SWTC's suggestion (which amounts to the same thing) with a quote and link. --McEwok 13:36, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Earth says that Earth's urban areas, as of 1993, took up 1.5% of Earth's land surface. This is probably a severe underestimate of the populated surface, since it doesn't take into account the parts marked as "arable land", "permanent crops and pastures", and "other" which are taken up by rural settlements, roads, etc.  Plus, it's not specifically sourced.  All the same, it implies that a planet with a land area comparable to Earth covered entirely in "urban areas" could have a population as low as 400 billion or so.  "But Silly Dan," you say, "Coruscant in the movies clearly has a larger population density than any city on Earth!"  This is true, but we basically see only the sections of the planet within an easy commute of the Senate building and the Jedi temple.  If a movie set in the Sahara Desert or Manhattan were the main visual record of Earth, estimates of Earth's population could be somewhat confused....&mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 21:30, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Since we keep seeing the planet glowing with lights from orbit, what are those supposed to represent? Unpopulated areas where they forget to turn off the light-switch? Come on, what the hell is this? The city's so built-up, the artificial "ground-level" extends kilometers into the air, the lights coming from the lower levels extend so far down, they seem like glowing lava. The whole planet is dependent on an extensive interstellar logistics system to even survive! What do you think all that air traffic and space traffic blanketing the sky is for? And somehow this article talks about "it must also be borne in mind that the planet does not function in the same manner as a real-world conurbation: a city is not simply a high-density population zone." What the hell is this?
 * This is precisely the kind of bull I object to when faced with conflicting sources. The movies go first if any books diverge from them. Books are interpretations of an interpretation of the ideas of George Lucas, and the further away you get from that, the more errors you see. And I've never heard Lucas talk about Coruscant being "a city planet that isn't really a city planet".
 * And where did you come up with the idea that Padme and Darth Vader's residences somehow represent the general living quarters of most people on Coruscant? Where is that stated? VT-16 07:20, 24 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Pretty much half of that "Population" section was wild speculation, and, in fact, most of the assertions made were quite debatable. (Earth cities consist of uninhabited areas too). I've deleted it (again), so please no one, put it back. The fact that the number is controversial is enough, anyone who wants to argue further can go to TheForce.net or Stardestroyer.net and argue to their heart's content. QuentinGeorge 07:42, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Saying Earth cities have uninhabited areas is one thing, claiming they have vast areas of uninhabited buildings as a norm, is something else. As is the assumption that Vader and Padme's dwellings represented some kind of "norm" on Coruscant. VT-16 08:00, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, that's kind of what I was getting at. Regardless, it's gone now, and if people really want to put up mini-essays about this, it would be better off as a simple link to another site (as the Saxton page is). QuentinGeorge 08:03, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps VT could take that section as his own and post it on his user page, thus getting his word out without destroying all the hard word on speculation. Just an idea. Though being McEwok's I wouldn't know how that would work. -- Riffsyphon1024 08:17, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It's there in history if someone wants it on their user page - it's just far too much for the article itself. Remember, these aren't discussion boards. QuentinGeorge 08:22, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I have no use for it, since it's a personal belief that's not based on anything depicted in the films. So, sorry. =/ VT-16 11:44, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * An additional note: people seem to forget the very reason Coruscant has kilometer-high levels is precisely due to "rampant overpopulation". The population grew to such extremes they had to build upwards. I'm reading Coruscant and the Core Worlds right now and even with "many expanses" being "industrial powerhouses", the Imperial city (with the size of a continent) is still filled up with people and as Republic City, expanded both horizontally and vertically. If anything, Coruscant's population might have sunk during the reign of the Empire, due to population exodus when the repressive fascist state became obvious. In the span of eras, however, there's nothing to indicate the number being static, but everything to indicate it growing. And I see the more vague term "more than a trillion beings call Coruscant their home" being used in the book as well. Reminds me of David West Reynolds' diplomatic "more than 8km" length for the Executor in SW:ICS. ;P VT-16 09:34, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I have (once again) removed the long spiel of arguments both pro/and against the population estimates. This article is not a soap box, and three paragraphs supporting either point of view is far too much, especially when much of the "proof" is questionable. QuentinGeorge 11:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Affiliation
Is there a reason Black Sun is in that box? Yrfeloran 16:45, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

Imperial Shield Generators
I'm not getting how these Shield Generators work. Do they like float above the city or something? And where they overlap, storms appear, and is the storm in Ep. III one of these Shield Generators overlapping?

Undercity
Is there a place for this pic of the Coruscant undercity from the JASB? --Eyrezer 02:59, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Are there more images of the lowest depths of Coruscant (preferrably in color?) --68.102.193.78 00:05, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Jaywin 14:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's another image: [[Image:CoruscantVos.jpg|300px|Vos in the Undercity]]