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Redundant?
I know it's used in-universe, but isn't "ARC trooper" redundant? "Advanced Recon Commando Trooper"? --SparqMan 07:55, 16 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * It is redundant. even if it is in-universe. maybe they had another meaning for ARC like for BARC Razzy1319 08:23, 16 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * EDIT: my mistake BARC means the same dang thing. Razzy1319 08:23, 16 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I heard that ARC stood for Advanced Recon Clone in some comic or something...--1upD 21:22, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Advanced Recon Clone trooper. It's in Star Wars Republic 50: The Battle of Kamino. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 21:39, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

There's a picture with the quote in it in the Alpha-Class Article

Quote Source
Where'd that quote come from? If it's from Hard Contact, I don't remember reading it. --AdmThrawn 05:42, 17 Jan 2006 (UTC)

I haven't read it either.Commando1138 03:13, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, which quote? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:08, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The one at the top, from Fi. Commando1138 22:24, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 23:05, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you know where it's from?Commando1138 16:40, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, no. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:14, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Its not a quote. Fi doesn't say it. It's from Omega Squad: Targets. It should be replaced with an actuall quote.Commando1138 21:29, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Then how is it expressed? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:31, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * In the third person.Commando1138 21:56, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Is it a thought or something? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:57, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Not exactly. But it's not something he says, so it should be replaced with something else.Commando1138 22:42, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, tell me how it's used, then. If it's not an actual quote or a thought, what is it? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:30, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Its a sentence. Example: Fi fired his blaster. It is used like that (no insult intended:)Commando1138 02:34, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

ARC captain info
Is the information going to be in the article or not? If so, why was it removed? I notice that Talk:ARC trooper captain/Temp, which had what this was to look like, is no longer up. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:04, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Dude, don't say "Advanced Recon Clone Trooper". Do you even have any proof of that name?
 * It's in a Star Wars: Republic issue. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 02:01, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * plus, sign your post if your gonna make a comment would be usefull and yes it is used in republic il check what issue Jedi Dude
 * That would be helpful, please. I have it in Volume One, meaning I don't have the individual issue. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 17:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Mission to Ord Cestus
Who keeps on changing the Mission to Ord Cestus to the Battle of Ord Cestus. It wasn't a full-blown battle. There were virtually no Republic forces present. It was on the same scale as the Mission to Qiilura. Commando1138 15:49, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, that's me. Notice that the link is still to the correct article. Nonetheless, there were two Jedi commanders leading a group of clone troopers and members of Desert Wind versus the CIS side. I'd call that a battle. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:02, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree. It was four clones and two Jedi and a small group of Desert Wind. There were no actual front-lines battles (like Praesitlyn or something). I tend to believe it was a mission. Just cause theres two Jedi leading a group of clones doesn't mean its a battle. Look at the Mission to Coruscant. They have a lot in common. Commando1138 19:02, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Fine, remove the battle part, then. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 19:48, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you.Commando1138 20:19, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, I think it deserves to be called a battle, even if you disagree. But I no longer have a say in the matter. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:22, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No hard feelings?Commando1138 22:11, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No hard feelings. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:36, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

ARC trooper Phase II armor?
Does anybody know if ARC troopers also wore Phase II armor? I've only seen them in Phase I armors.
 * They only wore ARC trooper armor, which was neither Phase I nor Phase II armor. However, Alpha-77 did wear modified armor as of 19 BBY. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 12:18, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The OS of BFII calls the Heavy troopers ARCs. So, I redirected that page here. The 501st commandos wore Bacara-like armor.--
 * They aren't ARCs, Bly1993. Advanced Recon Commandos worked mainly on their own. The 501st didn't have any ARCs. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 18:12, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Alpha-17 wore hybrid ARC/Phase II armor in the comic Obsession. Bobp.JPG--Valin Kenobi 07:48, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * No, that was just Phase II clone trooper armor, not a hybrid. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 11:08, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * ARC captain A-77 "Fordo" was seen wearing Phase II armor during the Battle of Coruscant. It would make sense for them to upgrade their commandos with the new style of armor.
 * Well, we don't know if it was "Phase II ARC armor" or just modified armor for him only. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 00:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't care if this topic is old.
 * Although Battlefront II is uncanon, and I don't excatly believe this, Battlefront II portrays ARCs as heavy troopers, which phase II armor is like Bacara's armor, although I personally think they would look like Phase II alpha. Just my thoughts.
 * It's not "uncanon"; certain things go against canon. And ARCs and heavy troopers were two different types. Plus, the armor issue goes against canon as well. There's no way all the clone commanders were Galactic Marines, etc. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 01:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

ARC Commander canon?
Somewhere i saw a picture of an ARC trooper wearing yellow from a clone wars comic, I think it was called "Hide in plain sight" or something. Would that be called an ARC trooper commander and is it canon? ArcTrooper1138 20:54, 25 April 2006 (UTC) http://i9.[that bucket with the photos].com/albums/a85/Mandalorian_Boba_Fett/ARCTrooperCommander.jpg http://i9.[that bucket with the photos].com/albums/a85/Mandalorian_Boba_Fett/nadiemyellowARC.jpg
 * I thought the same thing. However, there is no source for "ARC trooper commander". We once had an article for it, however, until we realized it wasn't canon. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 21:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * ARCTrooper1138, you're talking about this one, right? Sadriel Fett 03:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it was from one of the Clone War comics. I thought I remembered seeing a pic of it on here or the regular Wikipedia myself, at one time.  They even had his name listed.  Although, I don't understand why it wouldn't be included?  Especially if we're including ARC's from the cartoon series as canon.  The yellow would just denote the rank.  It would make sense, that at some point, one of the ARC's that were left would be promoted to Commander.  I believe that's what they were expanding on in the comic series.  All the behind the scenes action that was left out of the actual Cartoon Network series. Sadriel Fett 03:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * First of all: There's no picture. Second of all: Although yellow would denote the rank, "ARC commander" is another term for clone commander. It is very possible that it's just a standard clone commander wearing equipment similar to that of ARC troopers. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 11:14, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Didn't Commander Bly wear gear similar to ARCs? He had yellow stripes on. VT-16 14:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's true. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 17:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess the image got removed from the site I was using. I'll fix that.  As for Bly, yeah, he used gear similar to that, because he was part of the group of commanders trained by ARC Trooper Alpha.  The majority of them started wearing Kama's, and then some of those commanders started rewarding their men with the same, such as in Commander Deviss' case.  They were actually being trained, though, to be field commanders.  I believe Alpha was promoted to Captain (red) before he began training the new commanders.  Do they even use the color system, though, by the time of Ep III?  Deviss wears red trim, even though he's a commander, and almost all of Bly's Star Corps has yellow trim on their armor.  Many of them wear the Kama's, too.  Go figure?  Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 22:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, I finally found a pic of that Yellow ARC that actually had the name of the battle he was in on it. I want to say I originally found it on this site, or another Wiki site.  You can take a look at it, and see if you want to use it or not.  I wish I could remember the name of this guy.  Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 22:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, there are many yellow clones that look like ARCs in the Clone Wars Adventures. And no, Alpha wasn't a captain even though an Insider issue shows him as one. And the color ranking system wasn't used in 19 BBY. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 11:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Out of curiosity, does it actually say somewhere that Alpha wasn't a Captain during that timeframe? Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 16:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * He wears blue ARC armor in every appearance of his, minus the Insider article. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 16:20, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I know, but he wasn't training the clone Commander's at that point. I was wondering if they listed somewhere if he'd been promoted in order to do the training.  Maybe even promoted, because of him performing the traing of the clone commanders.  My only problem with that, though, is that one of the last Star Wars: Republic comics with him in it, he's wearing Phase II armor, but it has blue trim.  However, they say they're not using the rank color by this time.  Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 16:43, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * This discussion occured once before with myself in your position; however, I was convinced that Alpha was never promoted to ARC captain because there is no proof he was. While I also thought he would be a captain because he trained commanders, the image is the only "evidence" I had. It turns out that the red coloring was probably due to artistic licensing. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 20:10, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Someone said ARC commanders are not considered canon. However, commander Valiant from the novel Labyrinth of Evil is identified as an ARC commander. (Mister D 03:27, 6 July 2008 (UTC)Mister D)
 * Well, they now also have some ARC Commander action figures out, in the Order 66 2-packs at Target. So, I think they're starting to become more accepted as canon, plus they have them in the Clone Wars comics, as well.  The artwork on the 2-packs is fairly good.  It'd be nice to get a scan of the ARC Commanders, Captains, and Lieutenants for the article.  &mdash;  Sadriel Fett  Mandalorian Neo-Crusader and Modern Era Symbol.JPG 16:57, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

The Muunilinst 10]] standard" ==

I was under the impression that the "blue-striped standard" indicated that like some Earth special forces, the bare minimum for entry was a low level officer, making the blue ARCs lieutenants. --SparqMan 18:28, 28 June 2006 (UTC) What about the color coded officer system. IIRC, the ARC armor is from early in the GAR development when the color system was in use. If so, blue = lieutenant. Am I wrong? --SparqMan 21:12, 28 June 2006 (UTC) What? Why would a rank system only apply to part of the force? Maybe we can make sense of the Imperial Navy ranks by suggesting that different elements use a different rank system. --SparqMan 04:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC) There also aren't any Ensigns in the U.S. Navy SEALS. They're elite, which you usually don't find at the bottom of the ladder. --SparqMan 15:26, 29 June 2006 (UTC) Ct6623
 * However, no source calls the standard ARCs lieutenants. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 19:38, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, we do not know if that ranking system applied to the ARCs. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 22:26, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It's just that there aren't any white-armored ARCs roaming around, which makes me wonder if there was a separate ranking system for the ARCs that could be blue = standard and red = captain. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 12:15, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Fine, call them lieutenants then... After all, those Clone Wars Adventures do show clones that look like ARCs but with just plain white armor, and then there are those yellow ARCs that I thought (and still think) were commanders...Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 19:58, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait, are we calling the yellow-striped ARCs commanders? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 20:07, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yellow was the rank for commander, was it not? --SparqMan 20:25, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but a few debated the existance of an "ARC trooper commander" a while back, even though there were a lot of yellow-striped ARCs in the Clone Wars Adventures. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 22:12, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with the rank structure, but since there have been zero 'white', non-striped ARCs seen in the EU, I'm going to remove the lowest rank. It's quite possible that the lowest rank for an ARC was lieutenant, and until there's a canon source that disproves that, we shouldn't make up filler ranks. --Thetoastman 19:11, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, I take it you haven't read the Clone Wars Adventures comics. There are all-white ARCs in them. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 19:12, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Are they actually named as ARCs? No, I haven't actually read the comics, and I read your comment above, but there's a lot of troops that look "ARC-like".  The 327th Star Corps, for example, wore kamas and pauldrons, but weren't ARCs.  They had yellow armor, for that matter, but sure weren't all commanders. :P My point is, does it actually say in CW:A that the non-striped troops were ARCs? If so, then by all means, disregard my whining.  --Thetoastman 20:32, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * They aren't called ARCs, but they wear ARC armor and ARC equipment. Plus, the Phase II armor wasn't in use by the time the white ARCs appeared. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 21:08, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Can someone post up a picture of a White ARC trooper? I've never seen one, and I was under the impression that Blue ARCs were the standard ARC troopers while Reds and Yellows served as commanders.
 * They're in the Clone Wars Adventures. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) Imperial_Emblem.svg 14:38, 28 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Which issue? Why don't you just scan a picture and add it to the article?
 * 1) They're in more than one. They might even be in all of them. 2) Because I don't have the time to do so, nor do I want to at the moment. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) Imperial_Emblem.svg 22:38, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * They're not, because I have two volumes and haven't seen a single White ARC Trooper.
 * Well, buddy, there are white ARC troopers in some of them. I suggest you get the remaining Clone Wars Adventures. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) (Record of Imperial Service) Imperial_Emblem.svg 11:18, 1 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I just read through five more CWA books aside from the two I own. Zero White ARC troopers. Produce a picture for proof, or there is no basis for there to be a white ARC "private."
 * The lowest rank Advanced Recon Commando wears a blue uniform. Whether or not the have a ranking system is unknown.  As for Joe Corroney's illustration of Alpha-17 in Star Wars Insider, that is not canon by any means.  The base level ARC is "lieutenant" or the ARCs that wear blue ARC armor.  This is noted in Republic 50.  All the ARCs wear blue armor.  The  only known ARCs to use a standardized ranking system are the Null-class Advanced Recon Commando.  The only variations w/in the Null ranks are Ordo Skirata as a Captain and Null-12 as a Sergeant.  As for ARC privates, as appeared in the Clone Wars Micro Series on Cartoon Network, they technically are not ARCs.  They are just really elite clones accompanying  The Muunilinst 10.

Yellow striped ARC Commander pic
I noticed someone put a pic of a Yellow striped ARC Trooper on the article. I think if we're going to use a Yellow striped ARC in the article it shouldn't be of a repaint of an action figure. I think it should be of one of the comic book pics, if anything. At least it has a little more basis for it being somewhat "canon." Anyone else agree with this? Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 04:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I also thought about that. Could you upload the "ARCTrooperCommander.jpg" picture that's on this talk page so we can put it in the place of the current action figure picture? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 14:34, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Will do. Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 23:56, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and added it to the same spot as the other pic. Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 00:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 00:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Helmet Rangefinder
I'm debating whether I should add a mention of the range finder mounted on ARC helmets - the periscope thingy that's also on the Mandalorian (Fett-style) armor. AFAICT, it's unique to the ARC troopers, but used by all of them, even the pilots. --Winchester 17:17, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course it should be added. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 20:15, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

ARC's during the Galactic Civil War
I was recently looking at the newest Star Wars Insider (The Rogues and Scoundrel's issue), at a local bookstore, and they had a short little article about some ARC's that became mercenaries and para-military body guards for high profile execs, after the Clone Wars. Some became instructor's at the Imperial Academy and some were offered retirement. I didn't buy it, because I already subscribe to the mag and I haven't gotten mine mailed to me from home yet. I was just wondering if someone who had it, would like to add that info into the article here, since it seemed pertinent to the article? If not, I'll just add it whenever mine comes in the mail in a couple weeks. Thanks. Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 02:34, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The information's already on Alpha-66; I'll add what's needed here now. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 12:41, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Right on, dude. I didn't know we already had that on the site.  Pretty cool.  Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 02:22, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, User:Commander Jake beat me to adding Alpha-66's article. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 14:44, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Private

 * In clone wars, there was an ARC with no color. Could this be a private/standard? Or is it just a mistake?--1upD 18:32, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Notice that he does have some blue markings on him. Probably just a mistake. But in the Clone Wars Adventure comics, there are white-armored ARCs. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 20:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I noticed that(hoped you wouldn't). And yeah, that's what I was thinking. But the Clone Wars cartoon is more canon in my opinion. I do like the way the clone wars comics have a lot of ARCs. I've only read one. I can't find any good Star Wars comics!--1upD 23:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, the canon scale isn't based off of opinions. If I'm not mistaken, the micro-series and comics are both on the same level of canon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 00:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

pics alignment
Can someone fix the pics alignment, that knows how to? The new picture placement has messed up the way the "notable ARC's" are now lining up. I'm not too good with that, so I don't want to mess it up any further. Thanks. Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 02:28, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 11:23, 15 September 2006 (UTC)

Green?
An anon just added green to the list of ranks and said it was the color of the a seargant rank. Are there green ARC troopers?--Darth OblivionComlink 02:08, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I've never seen one (so far anyway).--Valin Kenobi 03:55, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think whoever it was was confusing ARCs with normal troopers.--Darth OblivionComlinkSith_Emblem.svg 04:02, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Probably. Also, if any green ARCs do appear, I'll be the first to let everyone know. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 11:15, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Apologies for restarting an old discussion, but I recently read Jedi Trial, and Anakin works with an "ARC sergeant" during the final battle. How ecxactly can we work this into the article?--Clone Commander CT-5619 helmet comlink 01:34, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Was this ARC named Green Wizard, by any chance? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 01:40, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Believe me, I wouldn't mistake Green Wizard for an ARC. No, this ARC sergeant was unnamed, though he did have a line here and there.--Clone Commander CT-5619 helmet comlink 23:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh. I might have to re-read Jedi Trial soon. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 01:10, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * THis is just a little late, I know. But remember how infamous Jedi Trial is for the inconsitancies throughout. (I think it was Jedi Trial)--LtCol. JuiceStain 21:45, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * More than "a little" late. It's an old topic. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 01:03, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

Blue Uniforms
My friend says that according to the book The Cestus Deception that it says that blue armor indicates a Captain. Any higher ranking canon? - CptKenobi 20:39, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * First: Red is captain. Second: There are, as of now, lieutenants, captains, and commanders. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 20:40, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Quote source 2.0
I thought that quote at the beginning by Vau was actually stated by someone who worked on the RepCom video game. Where has this quote appeared in-universe?--CT-5619 helmet comlink 15:07, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * One of the Republic Commando novels, I believe. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 15:09, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Number of ARCs
There are supposed to be only 106 ARC troopers (6 null + 100 alpha). Is it my imagination, or is that figure too low. I was under the impression that the ARC troopers were rare, but with enough numbers to make a significant contribution. Plus, to quote from the article, "For small squad operations, Advanced Recon Commando pilots piloted LAAT/i gunships to drop units behind enemy lines." A LAAT/i carries 30 troops, so a full LAAT/i load of ARCs would be no "small squad operation." Could there be any ARCs that are neither alpha nor null? While we're on the subject of understated troop numbers, how could there be only 3,000,000 clone troopers when the republic has 1,000,000 member worlds? 69.12.155.64 01:58, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) The Republic shadow troopers were created to replace the decreasing ARCs by 19 BBY, so 106 isn't low. 2) As shown in Clone Wars, the ARC gunship wasn't filled with 30 troops, but rather a smaller squad. 30 troops is a maximum, not a required amount. 3) The Kaminoans apparently only had time to make 3,000,000 clones. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 14:39, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 4)ARCs are so sweet, they can be everywhere at the same time! LOL, But seriously, it's possible that elite troops became "ARCs"(Troops wearing ARC armor). You see a lot of non-ARC troopers in Phase Two armor with Pauldrons and Kamas, why not phase I?--1upD 21:21, 13 May 2007 (UTC)

It says some Alphas were left on kamino to become instructors for the 2nd gen. commanders. is is possible these took on the rank and operations of the shrinking 1st gen, if not the name ARC?

There were normal ARCs after Alphas and Nulls we don't know the real number but we know it was less than 5000 which was the number of commandos at the time of True Colours (they were cross training normal clones into commandos to raise numbers and it is said somewhere that the Arc numbers were below that. Read Triple Zero, "All ARCs were insane but Alphas and Nulls the most" That means there was other ARCs. 212.139.125.16 17:28, 2 January 2008 (UTC)
 * The article also says that the ARCs piloted the dropships, not that they were carried in them. It might be a case where the intensity of the situation may have required highly skilled pilots to insert units to a battlefield under concentrated fire. This would count as their 'low numbers making a significant contribution' to the war.Tocneppil 22:41, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

Advanced armor
In the new essential guide to weapons and technology, it shows a picture of an ARC trooper with advanced armor. Different, bulkier armor plating, a wider mouthplate, and stormtrooper eye pieces. Is this canon? I've never seen it in any other source.--1upD 20:56, 29 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Hard to tell. It could have been prototype armor, either IU or OOU, for the ARCs. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 21:00, 29 June 2007 (UTC)

Walon Vau quote
Hello.

I removed the Walon Vau quote. I think it's retarded. Whoever wrote it, is stupid.

Seriously; 1 ARC is the same as 4 clone commandos??? I doubt that.

I don't care if you disagree with this. If you wan't to put it back, then go ahead. But if you do, you're just as retarded as the person who wrote it.

Have a nice day. --FrankieAvalon 20:37, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Doesn't matter whether it's stupid; it's still canonical. Unit 8311 20:42, 7 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Adding this quote to this article is the cancer that is killing Wookipedia. --FrankieAvalon 20:46, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No, because Wookieepedia isn't dying. Plus, if you don't like it, no one ever said you had to read it. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 22:04, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

Comparison
So how exactly are the Arcs and Clone Commandos missions different, because their missions seem pretty similar.

Clone Commandoes work in squads doing stuff like sabotage. ARCS work alone (usually) and do things like train civillian populations to fight. Read True Colours. 212.139.125.16 17:24, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Also the ARC's taught the second wave of clone troopers and other ARCs, while the commandos weren't known to be left on Kamino as instructors (They had the Cuyvl Dar)

green AGAIN
i know this was already brough up but i changed the rankings to include a GREEN as well...and before some one is like all upset about it not being cannon READ THE NEW karen travis book A'den is wearing green arc armor because hes a sergeant.. oh and this is pyro btw didn't log in :(

ARC's in transition
The ARC-ticle (yeah i know it's retarded but I had to say it once) says that After the Clone War was over, several ARC's (mostly Alpha probably) became assassins and b. hunters, but is there any sorces set in the IV-VI movie range of media and books that has references to any veteran troops from the clone wars (first mentioned by Obi-Wan in IV) had anything to do with the ALLIANCE? the article says several defected there after Order 66 was issued. Any Thoughts?
 * Well, he's not an ARC Trooper, but the Dark Horse series of comics had a story where Luke and his team find the Clone Trooper Able (see the linked page) during a mission, and he ends up joining the Rebellion and helping them later on. That's the only one that comes to mind, right off the bat.  &mdash;  Sadriel Fett  Mandalorian Neo-Crusader and Modern Era Symbol.JPG ( Mando'a ) ( Bounties ) 10:54, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Are the Pengalan Tradeoff troopers actually ARC troopers?
I couldn't find any discussion about this, and everyone seems to agree on the fact that the group of clones in The Pengalan Tradeoff are ARCs. I am not so sure however.

Sorry if I seem to be nitpicking or if I missed a previous discussion on the matter.

Here's my point; quoting Digger, from The Pengalan Tradeoff: "We're not normal. My platoon. We were made to be, how'd they put it, a little more self-reliant than the others. To be capable of more initiative. There are some more out there like us. In case they need troopers for more specialized missions." That's all he says. This definition could indeed apply to ARC troopers, but it could also apply to Clone Commandos, or even any trooper with command training (clone commanders, possibly clone captains). Not to mention that the novel Triple Zero introduced Corr, a normal private with advanced explosives training who later became a member of Omega Squad (True Colors).

If there is a canon source stating that the "Pengalan Tradeoff seven" are ARCs, I think it's missing at the moment.

A thought, anyone?

Darth Rizzen 10:56, 8 February 2008 (UTC)Darth Rizzen

According to the official Databank, ARC troopers were indeed present at Pengalan IV. Whether these troopers were Digger's platoon remains unknown, but seems to be heavily inclined. grobiano
 * As a footnote to my own comment - if all of Digger's platoon (36 men) were ARCs, and the only survivors were Digger, Mapper, Spots, and Wrench, then 32 Alpha-class ARC troopers (out of 100 bred) were killed during the raid on Pengalan IV. It doesn't make sense, does it? grobiano

There is no White ARC trooper
I just read through five more Clone Wars Adventure books aside from the two I own. Zero White ARC troopers. Produce a picture for proof, or there is no basis for there to be a white ARC "private," and it should be removed from the rank list.

They don't exist! I've never seen one. The "standard" ARC is blue, then the red yellow and greens were added in later.

This makes sense because with the blue ARCs being the bottom of the totem pole, because in the comics and cartoon they often lead white "grunt" clones into battle, with the reds leading the blues, and the yellows commanding both the reds and blues. You wouldn't find a white ARC leading white infantry since they'd all be at the same rank. The only instance of a green ARC trooper I know if is A'den from True Colors, and no other.
 * It actually mentions in True Colors that all ARCs were officers. This is brought up when A'den is asked "why he is only a sergeant when all the other ARCs are officers."  &mdash;  Sadriel Fett  Mandalorian Neo-Crusader and Modern Era Symbol.JPG 09:26, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

About Ranks
Hi can I get rid of the about ranks part of the page? Because it seems useless to me.CC-2223 17:25, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * No. We need to give an idea about each rank.--ARC commander4 20:03, 5 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Ok then I will fix it up a bit.CC-2223 16:34, 6 February 2009 (UTC)
 * We need to edit the part about the ARC Commander's being trained by Alpha-17. The Commanders that were trained by Alpha-17 weren't actually ARC troopers, they were Clone officers that were sent back to Kamino to have ARC training; examples include Bly, Neyo, Bacara, Gree, etc.  This is all explained in Alpha-17's article and in the Guide to the Grand Army of the Republic article in the Star Wars Insider.  I'm also going to re-arrange the order, because we traditionally put the highest rank first on the wiki.  &mdash;  Sadriel Fett  Mandalorian Neo-Crusader and Modern Era Symbol.JPG 09:11, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, I'm going to delete the parts about the "ARC Privates" since all ARCs are officers, except for A'den. This is referenced in the book True Colors when he's asked why he's only a sergeant when all the other ARCs are officers.  See the above thread for reference.  There has always been some speculation because in some of the comic books, the artists didn't fully color in all of the ARC Troopers armors, so there's always been that question if they exist.  However, the novel confirms that all ARCs were officers, which makes sense.  &mdash;  Sadriel Fett  Mandalorian Neo-Crusader and Modern Era Symbol.JPG 09:30, 7 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What 'bout Stec? Seems he's canonical ARC NCO. I'm not sure as I don't have neither of the books he's mentioned in. Immo JaingHead.svg ( Let's move this bucket! ) 18:33, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

ARC privates...?
Could Hawkbat Battalion be made up up ARC privates?--ARC commander4 14:59, 13 February 2009 (UTC)
 * why would you think that?--WILDEYE N-25 19:04, 13 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Because they do have ARC training.--ARC commander4 22:15, 19 February 2009 (UTC)


 * But that doesn't mean that they're ARCs, I mean, we think that Rex had ARC training. But we still don't determine him as an ARC Captain. WILDEYE N-25 00:24, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Agreed. In order to be an ARC Trooper you had to either be one of the surviving original batch of Null ARC Trooper (only six survived) or one of the Alpha-Class batch (remember, only 100 of these guys were made) of ARC's that were personally trained by Jango Fett.  Everyone else is considered ARC trained or as having ARC training, but they're not actually ARC Troopers.  That would be like saying a Navy Seal trained a squad of Marines in Special Ops tactics and procedures.  Would they be better than the average Marine?  Definitely, but that wouldn't make them Navy Seals.  Make sense?  &mdash;  Sadriel Fett  Mandalorian Neo-Crusader and Modern Era Symbol.JPG 20:19, 28 February 2009 (UTC)

Notable ARCs
The ARCs from star wars republic commando are not included on the notable arcs list, they saved tarful...and they aren't notable? -- eddyeddyd --


 * Do you mean Delta squad isn't listed? If so, then you're mistaken because they aren't ARCs they're just regular Commandos. VhettSkirata Mando'ade' 04:03, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Why are Echo and Fives not added to the list? As of the latest episode, they are confirmed to be ARC Troopers. I added them but someone else deleted them again. Don't do that!
 * Those two are regular ARC troopers, not ARC commanders. They are both listed in the Notable ARCs section already. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 01:39, February 20, 2011 (UTC)

Retirement
I think that it should be expanded. While they were offered retirement, it seems like it was just to keep tabs on them. In True Colors, it is revealed that ARCs who when rouge were killed off by assassination squads. I think that really needs to be put into the article.
 * Retirement and deserting are two different things. Look at the times that all this happened, in True Colors Sull went AWOL when the war was still going on and they needed every man they could get. After the war, there wasn't the same demand for troops and it was an option offered instead of an act of insubordination. VhettSkirata Mando'ade  04:42, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

New ARC Trooper Main Image
I was looking at the link given as the picture source for the new ARC Trooper main image. Am I missing where it says that this is an actual ARC Trooper? The webpage doesn't even say who it is. The title of the page is just "New Clone Wars Faces at Comic Con." Anyone have another reference we could also use to show the validity of the image? How do we know it's just not another ARC Trained commander or just another clone who isn't an ARC Trooper but wears ARC armor, like Captain Rex. They still haven't explained that one, other than that it's a big hit with the kids because it looks really cool, since the ARC's were a big hit on the last Clone Wars animated series. It's generally agreed Rex is not an ARC, right? If we put this pic on there, why not the pic of the Trooper below this one, who also has an ARC helmet. I think we should stick to an image we know for a fact is an ARC Trooper before we start throwing just anything up on here. I'm kind of hoping (and crossing my fingers) it'll be an updated version of Captain Fordo, so that it'll finally tie both series together, since chronologically, the new series has to take place sometime in between chapter's 21 and 22 of the first Clone Wars series, since all the clones are wearing Phase I armor prior to that, and then Cody and the clones are wearing Phase II armor by Chapter 22. Until we know for sure, though, we probably shouldn't put it on here. If it turns out to be Fordo, we can always put it back, since that'll be the more updated version of the ARC armor. Otherwise, it kind of defeats the whole point of trying to keep the websites articles more factually based, you know? &mdash; Sadriel Fett   11:05, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * Just a follow-up. Went with the thinking they'd make a toy of this and sure enough...  Did some more searching and found some of the new figures being shown at the San Diego Comic Con this weekend.  They're in the second slideshow set, and the second to last image.  Not only just red ones, but looks like some blue ARC's in Phase II armor, too.  Really nice.  I'm still holding out hope that one will be Fordo.  ;-)  &mdash;  Sadriel Fett  [[Image:Mandalorian Neo-Crusader and Modern Era Symbol.JPG|45px]] 11:43, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * The actual picture says ARC on the OS. Nephyswig 18:18, July 22, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just noticed from your link that the caption for the ARC image says "Hark! ARCs! ARC Troopers join the roster of clone forces in Season Three of The Clone Wars.". That settles that, then. Nephyswig 11:24, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree. Interesting they still have a range finder on their helmet.  Figured they'd go straight to the Phase II armor like Fordo was wearing during the Battle of Coruscant, when they kidnapped Palpatine.  I find it odd that they can put the rangefinders on the ARC Trooper's and Capt. Rex's helmets and not on the Mandalorians helmets during the Mandalorian episode.  That was just kind of stupid.  &mdash;  Sadriel Fett  [[Image:Mandalorian Neo-Crusader and Modern Era Symbol.JPG|45px]] 14:17, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Please wait until it's thoroughly confirmed. Enough with the speculation. Please take a look at the Talkheader template on the top of the page. Also, please stop changing the main image of the article, as it is fine as is. Using these promotional images as a main image is discouraged. It would be better if we actually wait until more information is revealed or if we just hold off until the episode airs. Thank you for your cooperation.  JangFett  (Talk) 15:30, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Both pictures on the official site states it is an ARC trooper. One in the filename "arctrooper_img.jpg" the other in a slideshow as sourced above and in the article. When there's a picture of the same clone suit in a toy line of ARC troopers with the signature "ARC Troopers (TM)" in front and the photo caption saying that these are ARC troopers and ARC troopers will be seen in season 3, it's conclusive enough. Nephyswig 20:12, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Using promotional images as the main image is most certainly not discouraged by any stretch of the imagination. Let's leave the page as it stands and put it to a vote.  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 20:29, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * JMAS, everything is subject to change. Basing something off a file name is stupid. File names change, JMAS.  JangFett  (Talk) 20:21, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Let me address each point. everything is subject to change - if we go by this logic, we should just stop updating anything on Wookieepedia and leave it just as it is right now because everything is bound to be subject to change. Basing something off a file name is stupid. - Whether it be the file name or a specified caption makes no difference. The official online Star Warss website has confirmed the image to be an ARC trooper. Is it stupid to use information obtained from StarWars.com? File names change. - That they can, and sometimes do. And in the unlikely event that happens, it would be a very simple matter to remove the image. It seems much more silly to not use it based on the hope that they made a mistake on the official site and the file name will change. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 20:54, July 23, 2010 (UTC)

Plase II image

 * 1) See comments below. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 20:14, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Nephyswig 20:16, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Is there an applicable infobox? Menkooroo 16:33, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Mirror the above comment. Gratulor - User Page 14:42, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) -- Doctor Kermit ( Complain. ) 14:56, July 29, 2010 (UTC)

Phase I image

 * 1) Phase II image isn't typical ARC trooper armour, it's customised. Might as well change the clone trooper article image to a picture of Commander Cody. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 15:05, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) *How do you figure? Look at the two images. The armor layout is virtually identical, with the minor exceptions of the color on the paldron switching sides and the faceplate layout. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 16:01, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) **I have to agree with INAN, JMAS. It's not because of my negativity toward TCW, it's mainly due to the fact it does look customized.  JangFett  (Talk) 16:21, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) ***Forgive me, but isn't all the ARC trooper armor customized? I sort of thought that was sort of the point of the ARCs. Being individuals and all that.-- Doctor Kermit ( Complain. ) 00:42, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5)  JangFett  (Talk) 15:21, July 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) ARC-Captain Fordo 08:45, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) Te Mirdala Mand&#39;alor 11:57, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) This Phase 2 armor isn't a typical Phase 2. The top of the helmet is Phase 1. It is maybe a prototype Phase 2 or a customized helmet. I vote for keeping the old CW image, until further clarification of the new pic. Darth Morrt 11:32, July 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) --Loneshark1138 Incom.svg (Comlink online.) 11:43, July 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10) &mdash; Sadriel Fett  [[Image:Mandalorian Neo-Crusader and Modern Era Symbol.JPG|45px]] 14:37, August 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11) Voting for this one, but shouldn't Option 3 really win by default under the "most realistic image" policy, with Option 4 only failing because of the grainy look of it? Just a thought... Bella&#39;Mia 06:26, August 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 12) Phase I's the standard. VhettSkirata Mando'ade  16:48, August 13, 2010 (UTC)

Option 4

 * 1) Der3000er 11:48, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
The understood guideline is to use the best quality image first and foremost as the main image for an article. A secondary guideline is to use the most current image from an IU perspective (when no live-action shot is possible, or the subject matter is entirely EU). The Phase II image fits both criteria. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 20:14, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * JMAS, please add in more images of the ARC troopers. Why are you sticking with only two?  JangFett  (Talk) 20:18, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * Because they were the two contested on the top? The image at the top should be the most detailed and realistic, which the TCW one is. Nephyswig 20:21, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I only put these two in because they were the two being switched back and forth in the article. I can certainly add more in though if you have some suggestions. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 20:22, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * In the ARC trooper image category, there's plenty of good images. Much better ones than this promotional TCW image.  JangFett  (Talk) 20:24, July 23, 2010 (UTC)


 * Added more options as requested. Here are my valid WP guideline-based opinions on the options.
 * Option 1 Pros: Neutral background, best quality image available, most current IU depiction | Cons: None
 * Option 2 Pros: Neutral background | Cons: lower quality, also shows non-ARC trooper, older IU depiction of subject matter
 * Option 2 Pros: Better quality than Option 2 | Cons: distracting background, older IU depiction of subject matter
 * Option 2 Pros: Better quality than Option 2 | Cons: distracting background, older IU depiction of subject matter
 *  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 20:43, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's funny that you say option 1 has no cons, while the 2nd has a lot.  JangFett  (Talk) 21:04, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've altered my wording to call them opinions. They are my valid opinions based how I understand Wookieepedia guidelines, not just "I don't like TCW" or "I like Option 1 because TCW rocks!" type of reasoning. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 21:14, July 23, 2010 (UTC)
 * --Are there any more pictures that might work for this page?  TK-299  (Click Here) Imperial_Emblem.svg 06:59, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * What about this one? It's higher quality than option 2, but the main problem with it I think is the background and the stance of the trooper. It doesn't show much of the armour. Z-6.jpg Gratulor - User Page 19:13, July 28, 2010 (UTC)