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First or Second Apprentice
This may cause some confusion. The article opens by saying that Xanatos was Qui-Gon Jinn's second Padawan, and then it is stated (as seen in the second paragraph of his biography) that he is Qui-Gon's first Padawan. Could someone please clear this up?

Thanks, The Nuclear Wookiee 23:54, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It's first in the books, but another unnamed apprentice was stuck in there retroactively. It's a confusing situation. Yrfeloran 00:50, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, the unnamed first apprentice was there before the Jedi Apprentice series was even created. Episode I: The Visual Dictionary was published on May 26, 1999. A quote from the book: Qui-Gon earned the rank of Master when he trained his first Padawan apprentice to Knighthood, although his second apprentice failed to become a Knight. Obi-Wan is Qui-Gon's third Padawan and a worthy student of his wisdom and skill.

Jedi Apprentice: The Uncertain Path, which I'm pretty sure is the first one to say that Xanatos was Qui-Gon's first apprentice, was published on February 1, 2000. Quote: Qui-Gon hadn't wanted a Padawan after his first, Xanatos, had destroyed every bond of honor and loyalty between them.

Since the visual dictionary was published half a year earlier, any contradiction is Jude Watson's fault yet again. I think this has already been settled, but I couldn't resist. :-) --Crazy Jedi Girl 23:05, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Artical Quote.
I was thinking that line he said when he pressed his fathers ring on his cheek makeing the scar. or another line dealing with the scar or a broken circal htat i belive was said in "The Dark Rival" Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 03:51, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

How does this sound? "The circle that brings the past to the future, yet does not meet." Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 21:52, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * What book is that from?--Darth OblivionComlinkSith_Emblem.svg 21:05, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

It's from the Dark Rivel. It's not directly said by anyone but it's Jude Watson discribeing Qui-Gon's thoughts Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 23:51, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Issues with Time (and Canonicity)
How could Qui-Gon have discovered Xanatos while still a Padawan if he became a Knight at 19? He couldn't have been twenty years older than Xanatos then, he could have been sixteen years older at most. --71.52.235.26 19:48, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Qui-Gon was not knighted at nineteen, that's an assumption by a certain timeline provider who sticks two non-consecutive sections of Legacy of the Jedi on top of each other. Unknown when Qui-Gon was knighted. There is a mention that Qui-Gon was considering Xanatos as a Padawan as soon as he was knighted in one of the JA books. This demonstrates, of course, that the Xanatos timeline is just screwy. I'm not sure if Jude realized Qui-Gon was sixty. Yrfeloran 00:50, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * She knew how old he was. I just finished the JA series at last, and in one of the books he was 51 or 52 or something, and she said he was in his fifties. I also found the passage that said he was considering Xanatos as a Padawan as soon as he was Knighted. That would make perfect sense if Xanatos was about fifteen years younger than Qui-Gon - if Qui-Gon was 25-ish, he's be 10-ish, and not too young to become a Padawan, as Qui-Gon was ten when Dooku chose him (I think). But there's one problem with that explanation - according to the Episode I Visual Dictionary, Qui-Gon had a Padawan before Xanatos! Darn Jude Watson. I mean, I like her all right, not least because she's given us so much information about Master Qui, but she needs to pay more attention to already-established canon! :P --Crazy Jedi Girl
 * He wasn't? *blush*Ooooooh. Sorry. --69.34.149.16 07:39, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That is screwy! Qui-Gon didn't find Xanatos until after he was knighted, according to Qui-Gon's article. That, by the way, is a direct contradiction of the thing here about Qui-Gon discovering Xanatos while he was still a Padawan (which is the entire issue here, right? Heh). Someone really should change that. If no one else does, I will.
 * ahem*If Xanatos was indeed three years old when he was discovered by Qui-Gon, as it says here, then we at least know that Qui-Gon was Knighted sometime between the ages of 19 and 23. That isn't very helpful, but at least it narrows it down a small bit. I'll keep hunting for other implications.
 * Dooku saw Qui-Gon in the Exhibition Day Tournament when Qui-Gon was ten, correct? And he took Qui-Gon as his Padawan shortly afterward. There's a ten-year age difference between Qui-Gon and Dooku. Therefore, we can deduce that Dooku became a Jedi Knight at twenty, or close to it. If Dooku could become a Knight that early, then obviously it isn't too early. Granted, Dooku had great talent, but then so did Qui-Gon, right? So Qui-Gon could have become a Jedi Knight at around that age. 20, 21, 22, somewhere. (This really belongs on the Qui-Gon discussion page, doesn't it? But oh well.) --Crazy Jedi Girl 21:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)

Sith?
Is Xanatos considered a Sith "Lord?" Or he is inline with Ventress, as a Sith Adept?

The article says he's a Dark Jedi. I'm not quite sure what makes him so, but to my knowledge he wasn't ever trained by a Sith Lord OR Apprentice (as Assajj Ventress was). I have NO CLUE where that bit about him possibly being trained by Sidious came from...
 * Yeah, me neither. The reasoning behind him possibly being trained by a Sith is a bit faulty. Quote from his article: As a Dark Jedi, Xanatos had a synth-crystal in his lightsaber. The Sith may given it to him, since there could be no other explanation of where he found it. Well, in the article on synth-crystals, it explicitly states, Not all red lightsaber crystals were synthetic. They were known to form naturally in the Crystal Caves on Dantooine, along with blue, green, yellow and violet crystals. Also, some things he said during his duel with Qui-Gon in The Dark Rival could be taken to imply that he had a red crystal to begin with. He said to Qui-Gon, "Yes, I still have it. After all, I trained for all those years. Why should I give it up like a thief, when I deserve to carry it?" So maybe he had a red crystal to begin with... from a certain point of view. :) Adi Gallia had a red lightsaber at one time (the lightsaber page calls it crimson, but her page says red), and probably other Jedi as well. ...Well, I've rambled on a bit! :P --Crazy Jedi Girl 19:33, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Trained by Sidious?
Where did that bit come from? I've never heard anything like that in canon, and if it's just a fan theory, shouldn't it be in 'Behind the Scenes'? 71.116.187.106 23:27, 1 July 2007 (UTC) Emma

Sorry, guys. That was me. I just think that after Xanatos turned to the dark side, Plagueis might have sensed him in the Force and could have great use of him. He'd have Sidious train "Xany" in the dark arts and lightsaber combat to help eliminate the Jedi. It's possible that they gave him a synth crystal for his lightsaber. Sidious could've been fond of Xany and thought of having him as his Sith apprentice, instead of the young Maul. Then after Sidious' death, Xany would've become Maul's mentor. However, after Xany's suicide on Telos, Sidious would get back on having Maul as his apprentice.

But if it'll humor you, that while Maul was hidden from Plagueis, I think Xany could've been his babysitter!

We'll, here's opinion #2: Xany might have looked in the Jedi archives and learned about the Sith attacking Telos twice, during the Jedi Civil War and the 1st Purge. That would've taught him not to trust a Sith. And to be more frank, Xany would've still thought that the Sith were extinct after the 7th Ruusan battle. In his turn to the dark side, he'd have decided to be a non-Sith trained Dark Jedi.

I hope you understand my concerns, dudes. - Will Karner 12:50 P.M., 23 November 2007

"Death"?
According to the article, Qui-Gon told the Council that Xanatos "died" in the fighting on Telos. I don't remember anything about Qui-Gon lying to the Council... if anything, I thought that Qui-Gon truly believed that Xanatos had died... or maybe that's what whoever wrote that meant. If so, maybe it should be changed around a bit... made less confusing, y'know? Emthejedichick 20:17, 25 December 2007 (UTC) emthejedichick

The Formula
Does the formula 'disruption + devastation + distraction=devastation' have a name? Jedi Knight Zinquinthia25 02:46, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Born
This article states that Xanatos was born 71BBY. Could someone please tell me the source for this please? Jedi Knight Zinquinthia25 02:10, 3 May 2008 (UTC)

Xanatos Was Qui Gon's 2nd padawan before him was an Undentified Padawan.

A. First or Second Apprentice
I've been reading the Jedi Apperntice series and it struck me as odd when I heard that Xanatos was second. I remember reading from the series that he was only the first apprentice of Qui Gon and was a failure, so Qui Gon didn't want another. My impression was Xanatos was only Qui Gon's first apprentice. --Americanjedi 02:09, 16 March 2009 (UTC)Americanjedi

It's something that has been the subject of a lot of debate. A fan speculation, that I think makes a lot of sense, is that Qui-Gon might have finished a Padawan's training. Like Kit Fisto finished Bant's, Obi-Wan's good friend. It's merely fan speculation though. No one has found somewhere where it's explained, yet. I hope this helps. Jedi Knight Zinquinthia25 02:19, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

I know you posted the question like 3 years ago, but it says in Jedi Apprentice that Qui Gon had two apprentices; Xanatos and Kenobi. I don't know much about this topic so if anyone has reason to say otherwise, they're probibally right. P.S. sorry about my spelling

New image
The Jedi Academy Training Manual has a new image of Xanatos:

Would this make a better infobox image? Xicer9 ( Combadge) 00:55, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I strongly support it.  Stake black   msg 03:04, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
 * More likely, well need a headshot of this pic. 72.221.70.172 02:45, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

What in the world...?
Quote: Xanatos had no actual known wife, so it was concluded that he had been having sexual intercourse with Tura Omega, which resulted in Granta's birth.

If he was Granta Omega's father, I would assume this is the case. Why does that need to be explained? --Crazy Jedi Girl 22:41, 26 July 2009 (UTC)

If I may add to this... isn't it possible that Xanatos was secretly married? Anakin was!

legacy of the jedi
In my copy of Star Wars: Legacy of the Jedi. I sais that Xanatos was qui-gons first apprentice in chapter 14. I dont know if other books say something differently but i'm just telling you what this book said
 * Qui-Gon's Databank entry on StarWars.com states, "Qui-Gon obsessed over his failure for years, dismissing his earlier successes as a teacher and often referring to Xanatos as his 'first' apprentice." This was a retcon to reconcile the discrepancy over just how many apprentices Qui-Gon had. &mdash;Master Jonathan(Jedi Council Chambers) 00:30, 9 August 2009 (UTC)