Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Antares Draco


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Antares Draco

 * Nominated by: Menkooroo 08:38, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: The dude punched Cade in the motha-kriffin' face!

(4 Inqs/4 Users/8 Total)
Support
 * 1) Looks solid to me&hellip;--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 19:01, December 2, 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) Great character, great article --Jinzler 18:33, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Because one of us has to support this karkin thing at some point ;) —Tommy  9281 00:27, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Great lead quote. -- 1358  (Talk) 15:22, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) --Eyrezer 11:44, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) I can't find any problems beyond rule 5, and I trust the nominator's stated intent to keep it updated. --  Darth Culator  (Talk) 22:08, May 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) Dude's a total prat, but the article is just dandy. Thefourdotelipsis 13:49, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8)  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  19:53, May 15, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Quick glance&hellip;
 * 2) * Please use the Cite web template for all external links.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 20:59, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) **I've added five external links using that template --- let me know if they're OK. Menkooroo 04:23, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) ***I apologize, I also meant the references and notes.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 17:41, November 24, 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) ****OK, I think I got it right this time. Menkooroo 15:36, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) *****Cool. Thanks for taking care of this.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 17:09, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) Blacklist:
 * 8) * You state in the article that Draco earned the title of "Imperial Master," but nothing links to it. I would suggest creating the page since there is enough info to warrant a distinction between that rank and that of Imperial Knight. —Tommy9281 Dark side Master SWGTCG.jpg ( Mechno-chair ) 03:28, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) **That's an interesting idea. I think what I might do instead is do some maintenace on the IK article itself, and create a section entitled "Training", with a subsection about mastery, and then link there. There's really only a single sentence on "mastery" within the IK's in the LECG, and the term "Imperial Master" itself would be a conjectural one. I'll write here again tomorrow when I've done that. Menkooroo 15:26, January 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10) **Oooooookay. The first instance of "Master" in the article is now linked to the Mastery section of Imperial Knight. I did this rather than create a new article because Imperial Knight is about the order, not the title, unlike Jedi Knight, which is about the title. Menkooroo 10:03, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11) ***My apologies. —Tommy 9281 04:47, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 12) * "Later, Draco was in the Imperial Knights quarters on Bastion, and along with Masters Dare, Hogrum Chalk, and Emperor Fel, observed a sparring match between Masters Krieg and Rae that was being supervised by Master Treis Sinde." This has absolutely nothing to do with the sentence that follows, "Draco then joined a contingent of Imperial Knights and accompanied the Emperor and the Princess to Agamar in order to conduct peace talks with the Jedi Order." Please bridge the two of them with some sort of relevance, or else do something with the first one, because it actually seems quite pointless anyway.
 * 13) **I've reworded the sentences and jettisoned some extraneous info. I think it looks better now, but the two points aren't necessarily linked... the only way to do that, I think, would be to go into a tangent about how Azlyn was testing out her new armor for the upcoming mission to Agamar, so in an effort to keep it relevant, I did some rewording instead. How's it look? Menkooroo 10:49, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 14) ***Fine. —Tommy 9281 00:27, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 15) * "Sinde reminded Draco of his duty to the Emperor. Draco longingly stared at his love as he gave the order for the shuttle to lift off." Is his love the Emperor?
 * 16) **Maybe in a slash fic. :^D Reworded. Menkooroo 10:49, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 17) *That's it. —Tommy 9281 00:47, April 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * 18) Jinzler
 * 19) * Draco's stats in the Legacy Era Campaign Guide reveal that he knew telekinesis. You should mention this in the P&A section --Jinzler
 * 20) **I had it listed as "levitation", but telekinesis is a better (and the proper!) name for it. Checking the LECG also revealed that Draco knows the Force shield talent, which I added. Holla! Menkooroo 12:55, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 21) *Other than that, it looks pretty goooood --Jinzler 13:19, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * 22) **High praise indeed from someone who FA'd another Draco. I mean... another Dracoooooooo. Menkooroo 12:55, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 23) Attack of the Clone
 * 24) * "an acceptance that brought him into conflict with fellow Imperial Knights Krieg and Azlyn Rae": "acceptance" really does not sound like the right word choice here.
 * 25) * "At that moment, Calixte revealed herself to be in the room with them and eavesdropping": something's not working here; please try to reword.
 * 26) * "Draco accompanied Fel as he arrived on-planet, along with fellow Imperial Knights Sigel Dare and Draco's trusted friend Ganner Krieg." You imply that both are Knights, but the wording only confirms that Dare is one. Please clarify.
 * 27) * "and had rendezvoused with Jedi Knights Wolf Sazen and Astraal's brother, Shado Vao": same issue as above, just with the Jedi Knights.
 * 28) * "Draco's reasoning was that he loved her, to which her response was simply: "I know."'" Please try as much as possible not to use direct quotes in this manner. Blended quotes (i.e. On Geonosis, Rex was adamant against "turning tail and running" with his men'') are fine, but most others are slightly unprofessional.
 * 29) * "When Sazen attempted to return to the battle, Draco held him back, insisting that Marasiah's life was more important than anyone else's. Frantic, Draco revealed that the Massacre at Ossus had happened against the Emperor's orders and convinced Sazen to do whatever he could to heal her." Is something missing here? The implication of Sazen being upset over the Massacre at Ossus is implied but never expanded upon, and Draco's own "franticness" seems to come out of the blue.
 * 30) * "Fel summoned Draco and Kried": to where?
 * 31) * Context on the Wheel.
 * 32) *Have to continue with "Journey to the Hidden Temple" later because of time constraints.  CC7567  (talk) 21:47, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * 33) **Addressed everything above. Let me know what ya think. Menkooroo 06:02, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 34) *As a note, please watch how you capitalize ranks and titles.
 * 35) * "Undercover, Rae confronted Skywalker as he visited his uncle, "Bantha" Rawk&mdash;formerly the Jedi Knight Nat Skywalker&mdash;on Iego, and claimed to be a bounty hunter." Who claimed to be a bounty hunter? I know that you're trying to indicate Skywalker did so, but the phrasing doesn't make it clear.
 * 36) **Actually, I meant Rae. Good catch. Menkooroo 08:26, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 37) * "Cloaking their ship, the Imperial Knights followed the Mynock to the Hidden Temple and landed at the base behind their quarry." What base?
 * 38) *Watch your dash usage, please. "---" is in no way a proper substitute for either the em or the en dash.
 * 39) **Did I miss any? There are only single dashes left, in words like "Empire-in-Exile". Menkooroo 09:17, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 40) ***No, it's fine. I was just pointing it out to you so that you can be aware of it in the future.  CC7567  (talk) 22:29, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 41) * "Accompanied by both Skywalkers, Sazen, and Vao, they appeared before Jedi Masters K'Kruhk, Tr'a Saa, and Tili Qua": who's "they"?
 * 42) * Please be consistent on using either "Rawk" or "Skywalker" for Nat throughout the entire article&mdash;including when you first mention him&mdash;unless it's absolutely necessary to mention his second name. It's getting rather confusing as it is having to distinguish between the Skywalkers.
 * 43) **Agreed. I originally didn't name him as a Skywalker, but another Inq changed it a few months back. I've re-jettisoned it. Menkooroo 08:26, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 44) * Please clarify the "TIE predators"/"TIE Predators" capitalization. Consistency is your friend and an important part in writing.
 * 45) * Please limit your excessive usage of "explored" in the Mission to Had Abbadon section.
 * 46) * Please clarify the TwinTail italicization&mdash;that article does not italicize it, and the MOS itself does not support it.
 * 47) *Will continue with "Peace talks on Agamar" once these are addressed.  CC7567  (talk) 06:56, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 48) **Addressed everything above. Thanks for the copy-edit, too. But I did change two sentences back to how they were post-objection but pre-copy-edit: adding "the latter of whom was Draco's trusted friend/Astraal's brother" to the end of a sentence seems to unnecessarily drag the sentence out. But thanks for the copy-edit and the corrections; much-appreciated. Menkooroo 08:26, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 49) * "Later, Draco was on Bastion, and, along with Masters Dare, Hogrum Chalk, and Emperor Fel, observed a sparring match between Masters Krieg and Rae that was happening under the direction of Master Treis Sinde." The "was happening" part is overall colloquial and rather confusing as to the chronology of the events.
 * 50) * "Antares Draco's service to the Empire saw him follow in the footsteps of his forefathers; one of his ancestors was a member of the Galactic Empire's Inquisitorius." Why is this in the P&T and not the Bio?
 * 51) * "As of 137 ABY, Draco was the second-in-command of the Imperial Knights; behind Roan Fel, he was the highest-ranking member of the organization and was at the head of its disciplined command structure, a position he earned through years of hard work, discipline, and loyalty." For the most part, same as above.
 * 52) * This is probably the only formatting objection I'm going to make, but please check this reference, as it doesn't seem to be quite correct:
 * 53) * Please fix that missing reference.
 * 54) * "Draco's belief that listening to the Force and heeding one's insights were paramount helped craft him into a cunning, loyal, and very competent warrior." Something isn't matching up here and is interrupting the flow.
 * 55) * "he doubted that their relationship could work": can you rephrase this somehow? It's rather colloquial and confusing.
 * 56) * Context on Palpatine&mdash;yes, context is needed in the Bts, too.
 * 57) **(Hopefully) addressed everything above. Thanks again. Menkooroo 09:17, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 58) *I will be going through this once more after these are fixed. Additionally, please make sure to get my attention after you have updated it with the last issue of Monster so that I can review that as well. (As Cylka noted, that is one of the reasons why many Inqs discourage nominations that do not adhere to Rule 5 because it creates more problems for both them and the nominator.)  CC7567  (talk) 19:12, March 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * 59) **Will do. I suspect he'll probably be in Legacy 48 as well. Regarding Rule 5, there are a few other Legacy characters that are FA'd, including another prominent Imperial Knight. Just following precedent, is all. Menkooroo 09:17, March 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 60) ***For now, I think it's best if I just review the newer info from the last Monster issue and do a second review overall at the same time to be more efficient. Please make sure to contact me when the article is updated.  CC7567  (talk) 22:29, March 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 61) Eyrezer: Can you mention and link to his ancestor in the Inq? --Eyrezer 02:23, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 62) *The problem is that we don't know who his ancestor is. It's probably Valin, but canon hasn't confirmed it, so there's a note in Behind the scenes about it, in addition to the first paragraph in the bio making mention of the mysterious ancestor. ... Unless you're suggesting I create a new page entitled "Antares Draco's ancestor"? Menkooroo 10:48, May 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 63) **The perils of objecting before reading through the whole article, and annoying that there seems to be no author comment on it anywhere. --Eyrezer 11:44, May 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comments


 * Part of WookieeProject Legacy Era.
 * Updated for Issue 43 of Legacy. Menkooroo 13:35, December 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * And for Issue 45. Menkooroo 13:02, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * As he is a recurring character in an ongoing comic series, I'd suggest that you re-evaluate how well he adheres to FAN Rule 5 of stability if you haven't already done so. The amount that this article has the potential to change over the next few months could slow down the review process, to say the least.  CC7567  (talk) 21:49, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've been consistently updating the article the day after a new issue is released, and will continue to do so. Also, historically, Draco's played a big role in a bunch of issues and then disappeared for a year or so. Sure, we can't count on that, but even if he does keep taking center stage, I'll still update the article accordingly. Menkooroo 06:02, February 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm going to butt in here for just a moment. I agree that you have been updating, but the problem is that it is difficult for us to support the article if it needs to be updated repeatedly since we need to review every time you update. That is what CC is trying to say, I believe. This will definitely slow down, if not halt, the review process, especially since there is a possibility that Draco will continue appearing in the Monster story arc. This is simply something that we want you to be aware of. Cylka  -talk- 16:00, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm Ok with that. It's not like this article is going to pass before Monster is over, anyway. Menkooroo 16:21, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Then perhaps you should opt to take the nomination down at least until Monster has concluded. Just a suggestion. —Tommy 9281 21:12, March 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, Monster will be over in three weeks. I'd prefer not to shunt this nom back to the bottom of the list, where a nom can take months before getting a single review. I'm just following past precedent; Treis Sinde is an FA and has actually appeared more than Draco in the past fifteen months --- is the need for an FA to be updated any different than the need for a FAN to be updated? Menkooroo 14:08, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Point. For now, I'll follow suit with the clone and give another review after the end of Monster. —Tommy 9281 14:15, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated! And the suggestion, too; there are admittedly quite a few policies that I haven't quite mastered the specifics of. Out of genuine curiosity --- if an FA'd character such as Jaina, Jag, Sinde, or Nihl appears in new media, are the inq's who supported its nom supposed to review the new stuff? Or once it passes, is it assumed that the nominator can be trusted to update it at an FA-level of quality? Menkooroo 14:19, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * The second scenario you mentioned applies. If it is found to be lacking, then it goes up on the chopping block. —Tommy 9281 14:30, March 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Updated for Legacy 46. I mentioned it on CC's talk page, but I'll reiterate here: Even though new info about Draco is coming in the next arc, leaving this nom on the FAN page assures article quality, as it forces me to keep it up-to-date and invites objections to anything that could be improved. The only party who receives any detriments is me, really, as it prevents me from adding any additional noms. If the article were promoted to FA status prior to Issue 49's release, you have my guarantee that I would continue to keep it updated, just as similar FA'd Legacy articles like Treis Sinde are. If not, I'm willing to wait a few more months. Menkooroo 03:51, April 4, 2010 (UTC)