Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Kueller


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Kueller

 * Nominated by: Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:48, 28 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Long overdue.

(5 Inqs/2 Users/7 Total)
Support
 * 1) The Hitler parallells only go so far... Harrar 16:40, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 19:54, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Megalomaniacs for the win :P  Greyman ( Talk ) 16:58, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) How could I not?  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  15:54, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Although I keep thinking "Skeletor" when I look at the infobox picture ... -  Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 14:11, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) This guy is a pretty generic Star Wars villain --Jinzler 19:45, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:08, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) From the gloomy underbelly of Harrar's Yuuzhan'tar
 * 2) * I imagine you're already on the quotations, but ideally we want one for each subheading, one for P&T and one for P&A. D'ya reckon TNR has all those?
 * 3) **New and improved with more megalomaniacal ranting. :-) Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 13:44, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) ***Hah he has such brilliant evil dialogue!
 * 5) *Intro:
 * 6) ** I think the some of the intro needs to be rethought. The first paragraph is fine, though I'd include details of Pydyr and Auyemesh and how he builds his Almanian Empire too.
 * 7) ***Threw in a mention of Pydyr. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 13:44, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) ** The latter half of the second paragraph is really off, from Skywalker's crash on Almania onwards. It's very PBP, and includes details which have no real bearing on Kueller, such as the thernbee, the yacht, Mara Jade and Solo. I suggest condensing it, removing extraneous detail and focusing more on Kueller.
 * 9) ***Totally redid that para, considering I wrote it a month before the actual article. Let me know what you think. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 13:44, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) *Nice one Ataru. First Nil Spaar, now Kueller. You and your iconic Bantam villains. Harrar 10:51, 29 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) From the underwater moffship of AdmirableAckbar:
 * 12) * Context on the Je'har in the intro, please.
 * 13) **Reworded that bit entirely. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 15:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) * Do we know how Kueller wiped out all the moondwellers? If so, it should be added.
 * 15) **Found it in the Fact File. Unsurprisingly, more droids. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 15:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 16) * Two comments on images: the EGTP&M image caption is, well, quite silly. I know why and everything, but could a better caption not be had; alternatively, the image could be cut in two and replaced in the article. Also, what about cropping a headshot out of the infobox image and then moving the full image down the later sections of the article? That would luck much better, I think.
 * 17) **Altered the caption; I'll work on the headshot deal. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 15:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 18) * A bit of extra detail for the Kueller-Luke-Leia fight would be helpful; not about the duel itself, but about where each was located. Kueller just sort of appears, and he was presumably on a ship or in some sort of command center when instructing Yanne. Knowing where he was, where exactly the prison was located (in the city or in the middle of nowhere, or wherever), and how he got there would give me a clearer picture of the passage. Hope I'm making sense.
 * 19) **Clarified it some. Tell me what you think. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 15:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 20) ***Looks good. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 19:54, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 21) * I have two possible additions for the "Legacy" section: there's some info on the damage done to the Senate Hall in Traitor, page 248, and a mention of Brakiss's final fate may be prudent.
 * 22) **Added a bit on Brakiss and Senate hall. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 15:55, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 23) **Good work. Vaguely interesting character, if a little boring and predictable; I don't think I'll be reading The New Rebellion any time soon. :-P -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 23:04, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 24) * Someone could add info on his "picture only" SWG appearance, as this is presumably non-canonical --Jinzler 20:07, 2 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 25) **I've asked around, and it's apparently just a Hendanyn death mask, and not Kueller that is shown. I have removed the appearance. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:35, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 26) * There is no mention that Kueller hired Ana Blue to lure Han Solo to Almania --Jinzler 09:32, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 27) **Added. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 28) Channeling Toprawa here: refer to the characters by last names, not first. Skywalker, not Luke, specifically. Anyway, after some corrections, good job. He's no Nil Spaar though.  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  01:32, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 29) **Corrected. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:49, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 30) On page 338 of The New Rebellion, it states that Kueller wears military boots. It might just be me, but his footware in the picture don't look that military or boot-like, their kinda like armor. If anyone else agrees with me, then I think that we should say in the bts section that the image contradicts his discription in the novel. Or it could just be that Kueller likes shoes and has many different pairs that he wears --Jinzler 16:56, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 31) *In my opinion, that's pushing the line of Original Research a bit much and I am loathe to add it. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:25, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 32) From the squadron briefing of Cavalier One:
 * 33) * Last sentence of second paragraph in "Almanian Uprising" is unreffed. - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 09:43, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 34) **Oops. Fixed. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:07, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 35) Toprawa:
 * 36) * I'm afraid I don't understand this at all. I don't understand what this has to do with the droid's established purpose of being detonation devices. Please clarify somehow: "except for the seafah jewelers, as their skills were inimitable by droids."
 * 37) **I've tried clearing it up. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 03:24, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 38) * Calling them "the sabotaged droids" leaves this begging for some kind of explanation, which is not provided as far as I can see: "though he did allow Brakiss to return to Telti after his apprentice gave him the remote that controlled the detonation circuits of the sabotaged droids."
 * 39) **Added a brief explanation. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 03:24, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 40) * What disturbances in the Force? Clarification/context, please: "the Jedi Master was informed that Almania was where the source of the disturbances in the Force had originated."
 * 41) **Contextified for your reading pleasure and delight. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 03:24, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 42) * This is very redundant. Please condense: "Kueller ordered him not to fail or else he would face the consequences. Sensing that Yanne was losing enthusiasm for his cause, Kueller gave the man a verbal and physical warning of the consequences of disloyalty."
 * 43) **Trimmed it up some. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 03:24, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 44) * The way this is connected doesn't work. You're discussing Kueller's issues with his subordinates, and then you use "however" to transition into a completely separate idea. Something needs to be added or reworded here. "Kueller had another subordinate, Gant, brought to him, thinking he might need to train another personal assistant to replace Yanne. However, Organa Solo managed to slip past them and their fighters and made it to the surface of Almania"
 * 45) **Good catch. Tossed in a phrase to fix that.
 * 46) * Please create an article for this final lightsaber duel: " and forced a lightsaber duel between them."
 * 47) **Redlinked. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 03:24, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 48) ***For as significant as this lightsaber duel is in regards to Kueller, please do create this article. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:45, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 49) ****I have accomodated you in good faith this time, but please understand that while I can see the need for a link to the lightsaber duel (hence why I created it), the follow-up request is not a legitimate FAN objection. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 15:00, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 50) * Your BTS makes reference to his "usual armored appearance." I would like to see this expanded upon in the P/T.
 * 51) **Well, that's the thing. He's usually pictured in armor, but he's not explicitly stated to always wear it. Reworded BtS some. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 03:24, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 52) ***In that case, I would still like to see the P/T do a little bit to detail his, what I would call, rather unique set of armor. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:45, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 53) ****I have done so. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 15:00, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 54) * You could also add a bit to the Legacy section detailing what happened to Almania in his absence, how Yanne succeeded him as planetary ruler, etc.
 * 55) **Tossed Yanne in and added a note from Exile as well. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 03:24, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 56) ***Very nice, more than I thought would be thrown in there. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:45, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 57) * I'm not quite sure I fully understand what you're trying to say here. Please rewrite to clarify for my sake: "Kueller was originally pictured in his usual armored appearance alongside an unnamed individual in The Essential Guide to Planets and Moons, who was later identified as Kueller as well, albeit without the armor, in The Official Star Wars Fact File. " Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:29, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 58) **I have reworded it. Let me know what you think. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 03:24, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 59) ***Yes, much clearer now. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:45, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 60) * I initially pipelinked the Je'har into the "Almanian government" found in his infobox affiliations field, but after looking at this again it seems as if you are referring to "his" Almanian government. If so, please feel free to remove the pipelink, but I don't know if I would actually call his rule a "government," unless something does identify it as such. Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:46, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 61) **Not really. I have removed the affiliation; it was there before I ever touched it IIRC. Thanks for the review. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 03:24, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 62) * There are a few things I notice after reading the character's entry in the Star Wars Encyclopedia that I feel should be incorporated in here somehow:
 * 63) ** The source describes him as "extremely talented," something I don't really explicitly see in here. Good P/A material
 * 64) ** Even before attending the Jedi academy, Kueller is described as "always possessing a certain darkness" -- this leads into the next point below:
 * 65) ** Alluded to in the article, but SWE states that he did not stay at the Jedi academy long enough to develop his talents or to dispel this darkness that always lay within him
 * 66) ** SWE says he "used the planet Fwatna as a base of operations before launching his plans against Almana." I don't see anything detailing this
 * 67) ** You say he "toppled" the Jehar regime, but SWE states that he "destroyed them," which is much more specific, and a little different than just a coup, as "toppling" alludes to
 * 68) ** Also, after doing so, he becomes the "self-proclaimed Master of Almania"
 * 69) ** During his rule on Almania, he used "the Great Dome of the Je'har as his headquarters"
 * 70) ** He is also described as having "silvery hair," which could probably be described in the BTS as an inconsistency
 * 71) ** The entry also does more to describe his mask that I would like to see added to the P/T: "...this ceremonial mask molded itself to the skin of the wearer. Kueller's mask was white with black accents and held tiny jewels in the corners of the eye slits."
 * 72) ** This describes Kueller as rigging the New Republic's "new model of X-wing fighter" with an explosive detonator, not just typical X-wings, as this article describes...also, by doing this he "eliminated the NR's most talented pilots"
 * 73) ***For the record, he never actually succeeded in doing so, nor does the SWE imply that. It was one of his plans. Anyway, I've added the tidbit in. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 74) ** Leia shoots Kueller "with a blaster shot to the head," which is much more specific and quite different than just shooting him twice Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:32, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 75) ***All sorted. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:58, 15 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 76) * The Source list should be ordered by correct OOU publication date, which it is not. Please rectify. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:36, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 77) **Bah, fixed. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 17:57, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

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