Talk:Battle of Yavin/Legends

Should the long-term siege of Yavin be written about as a separate battle? VT-16 20:44, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea, "Siege of Yavin" even sounds like a good title for it. jSarek 10:29, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * How about if we rename this page First Battle of Yavin (Galactic Civil War). Then, we'll rename the First Battle of Yavin Base: Second Battle of Yavin (Galactic Civil War). Many battles took place on Yavin including during the Great Sith War: Battle of Yavin (Great Sith War, We already have the Battle of the Jedi Praxeum as well. MyNz 17:57, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Well technically all of those you just mentioned take place on Yavin 4, the more-prominent fourth moon of Yavin. So, since this battle takes place above the uninhabitable gas planet of Yavin, and all of those take place on Yavin 4, there's really no need for all of that; and if we're going to be more specific for First Battle of Yavin Base, then it should be First Battle of Yavin 4 or something along those lines. MarcK 05:36, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)

"It's Impossible, even for a computer"
Before the battle, one of the pilots didn't believe they can't win, until Luke told him otherwise. Who was that pilot, was he Wedge Antilles? "Okay, seated next to Luke Skywalker is Wedge Antilles, according to the script. However, that isn't actor Dennis Lawson, who would play Wedge in the cockpit scenes later on the film. It appears to be Jack Klaff, who is listed in the credits as John D. All published reports state that it is Wedge who utters the line in this scene, so it is generally accepted that the character seated next to Luke is Wedge, even though the actor is the guy who's supposed to play John D. Confounding matters even more is that Klaff's on-set dialogue is dubbed over by the actor who regularly supplies Wedge's lines."
 * Definitely not Wedge, had to be some other pilot with an anonymous name, unless we already have that name down. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:02, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * It was scripted as Wedge, but the actor was not Denis Lawson - that's why the character is often referred to by fans as Fake Wedge. QuentinGeorge 11:49, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * According to a webpage Pablo Hidalgo wrote back when he was a West End Games freelancer rather than a Lucasfilm employee:
 * &mdash; Silly Dan 13:43, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Let me get this straight, so Jack Klaff plays Wadge when he's in the briefing room, but then he plays John D, and Wedge is played by Dennis Lawson.

Or was Jack always John D, and Wedge was always Dennis. Double D 14:12, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * The official word is, that's Wedge there; they even used Klaff's image for the first Wedge Antilles card in the Star Wars Customizable Card Game. jSarek 07:32, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Except now it turns out Colin Higgins, not Jack Klaff, was Fake Wedge. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 14:40, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

I just found some thing that you might want to see.



It says that he is Wedge Antilles. I knew it. Luke and "Mr. Impossible" looked like best freind at the moment. So I knew he was good enough to survive. Plus they show Biggs before the battle, as well as "GD" (Red Leader). Why would they show "Mr. Impossible" before the battle if he doesn't get shown after that (or at lease as a Main Character)? Plus he looks and sounds just like Wedge.Double D 01:02, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Goes to show you, even those the credits said "John D", the script lables him as Wedge, and thats what really tells the story. In conclusion, this guy is no dought, non other, than the one and only, Wedge Antilles. Double D 01:47, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Blues
How do we know the exact name of the Blue pilots (other than those mentioned in Rebel Assault and that Rookie One piloted a Spearhead? In the game he pilots an X-Wing. MoffRebus 01:15, 27 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, Rookie One does in fact pilot a R-22 Spearhead. Not everything in the games are the way they are in-universe. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:43, 27 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * My question was HOW do we know that he DOES pilot a spearhead?? MoffRebus 21:38, 27 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Calm down. Refer to my Talk page. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:57, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)

A-wings
I was under the impression they hadn't been invented at that point. They're there in the 'strength' section, though. --Fade 21:28, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Some say they were called R-22 spearheads then. I am not convinced. - TopAce 19:05, 13 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Look at Star Wars: Complete Locations on the Massassi Temple page. There's an R-22 Spearhead in the temple's lowest hangar floor. This brings the A-wings at the Battle of Yavin from the computer game X-wing back into continuity. Crowe 14:16, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

So far I only know the Star Wars from 1 tp 6. I know what fighter they used during the Battle for Yavin or something and I only know X-wings and Y-wings are the only things seen in the Battle. A-wings appeared while the Rebels move from one base to another.(Assaulthead 19:20, 31 October 2007 (UTC))

Move

 * Move to Battle of Yavin Prime? Lt. 1993 17:38, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Sam Raider and Ernek Marskan: not so dead
Where did the killed by TIE Fighters bit come from? In the X-Wing strategy guide it says "Raider still wouldn't talk to me" and "Marskan still hated me" after the Battle of Yavin so they both survived. The only person it mentions being killed (other than those in the film) is Hamo.

Travis
How did we know Travis died? Or, for that matter, was in [[Red Squadron]? The only relevant Google link is here, which leaves her status as unidentified.  CUSWE doesn't mention her at all, implying the appearance I came across is the only one.  I'd ask the person who added her to the list, but that editor was an [[Special:Contributions/158.121.99.247|anonymous user]] who hasn't added anything since June. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 14:40, 14 April 2006 (UTC)

You do know how to count, right?
"7 Y-wing starfighters". So why do I see at least 11 Y-wings on the infobox picture? :P VT-16 15:09, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
 * EDIT: Wait, has the picture been doctored in any way. The image from the actual film doesn't include the fighters beneath Luke's W-wing. Where did you get this image? VT-16 15:16, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

Aftermath
The hidden TIE base was located aboard the Achtnak Turbine Station hidden deep within Yavin's atmosphere. And Classic Star Wars 9 shows the Imperials were making bombing raids on the Rebel base on Yavin IV -but shouldn't the 'Aftermath' section be a seperate site? This is supposed to be about just the battle that saw the Death Star destroyed.Tocneppil 19:34, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

only 30?
what sorce only listed the fighter count at thirty?
 * "We count thirty Rebel ships, Lord Vader, but they're so small they're evading our turbolasers" - ANH - Kwenn 19:25, 1 September 2006 (UTC)

but there is 31 slots of fighters? not including Red 11, red 12 if they aer different maybee they where lanched at different times?


 * There are a few things pointing to there being more than 30.
 * 1) We see 30 X-wings/Y-wings in the Special Edition scene of ships approaching, but Rebel Assault shows us two A-Wings leaving the Death Star.
 * 2) Using some set photos and screen captures, I've been able to count 32 pilots in the briefing room scene, including Luke. Only three of these pilots -- Luke, (Fake) Wedge and Jon Vander (Gold Leader) -- are seen in the DS battle. Two others are made part of Red and Gold squadron (Elyhek Rue, Lt. Lepira) in the CCG. Only a handful of faces are far away or obscured, but I'd say we see enough to conclude that none of the actors playing pilots in this scene play pilots in the DS battle scene (except Luke and Vander).
 * 3) Pilots seen putting on their helmets and getting in launching ships in the hangar are also not seen in that briefing room. This gives us four more pilots: Bren Quersey (Red 8), Ryle Torsyn (Gold 3), Hol Okand (Gold 6), Wenton Chan (no callsign). That gives us a total of 36 so far.
 * 4) The Droids comic showing extra pilots gives us at least two noticeable new pilots: the blonde woman named Travis and an unnamed dark-skinned pilot. That's 38.
 * 5) In the battle scene (not including Luke and Wedge), we see 8 additional pilots. Which gives us a grand total of 46!

OK, is 46 pilots an outrageous number? Maybe. But every pilot named but never pictured (Farlander, Blastwell) could be one of the unnamed briefing room pilots. I suppose you could even argue that if we can consider "Fake" Wedge to be the same character as Real Wedge, even though he's the wrong actor, any of those pilots could be any pilot we see later. So, maybe I'm poking holes in my own argument here, but at the very least we've got 32 pilots.

Don't forget that there's nothing that says more pilots couldn't have left Yavin after the initial 30-count by that Imperial officer. Also, any unseen Y-wings in the battle could have been the kind with a gunner's seat in the back. --JMM 18:28, 2 October 2006 (UTC) EDIT: Made some corrections to my above comments. --JMM 00:08, 3 October 2006 (UTC)

not all the pilots went to attak the death star some where ill/hert, some ran of and some needed to be on stand by (or slow down impereall reinforsments). P.S there where 32 rebels ataking the death star.

You all realise some ships use more than one crewmember? like y wing gunner or co pilots.

Jal Te Gniev
Should there be a mention of Luke taking Jal Te Gniev's X-wing? The latter apparently had come down with 'space-measels' or something and wasn't rendered 'unfit to fly'. The full story's in Vader's Quest, a copy of which I don't have.Tocneppil 05:46, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Hutch?
That Red Leader guy said near the end of the battle that they had lost Tiree(sp?) and Hutch(sp?). But I don't see any Hutch in the list of participant pilots. We may not know where he belonged, but shouldn't he at least be mentioned in the unknown squadron list?DarthMRN
 * Yeah, I've always thought it was 'hutch', too, but he's referring to Jon Vander, who's nickname was 'Dutch'.Tocneppil 22:18, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Starfighters?
It says 32 starfighters. 22 X-Wings+7 Y-Wings+1 R-22 Spearhead=30 starfighters. If you count the Millenium Falcon you get 31. Does that mean 32 pilots? 22 X-Wing pilots+7 Y-Wing A4 pilots+1 R-22 Spearhead pilot+Millenium Falcon's two pilots=32 pilots. -- Emperor  Maakurder   's comlink  19:54, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I changed the full number to 32, and forgot to change the numbers below. They now match up. The Falcon is not a starfighter. --JMM 15:03, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

"Mentioned only"?
Isn't listing all the places the Battle of Yavin is "mentioned only" going a little too far? I mean, it's mentioned in many, many novels and comics and games. This list would get insanely long, plus, doesn't "mentioned only" by definition disqualify it from being an Appearance?? --JMM 22:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Just trying to get some new attention for this question. Comments, anyone?--JMM 18:36, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Without counting Mentioned Only, we would lose a good number of articles. The appearances section might get excessively long, but that is what we have scrollboxes for. Who would get to decide how many and which Appearances qualified if we were to limit them? No one could. So we collect all. That is what being through will get us. DarthMRN 23:00, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying that the "mentioned only" tag should not be used in some articles. I'm just saying, I don't think it's warranted here. The Battle of Yavin is mentioned constantly in the EU, and it seems like overkill. --JMM 17:30, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Logic
If you think about it most of the pilots can be placed, exsampell, Keyan Farlander is in gold squadron there are 7 y-wings in gold(1 in green) so thay must be gold 7.
 * The info on the squadron is a little vague. We don't know for certain how many ships were in Gold Squadron. We only know of the seven, but there could be more, so we don't really know Farlander's callsign. --JMM 22:15, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Wait a minute... ?
We do know what calendar the GALACTIC EMPIRE used... it was the old republical one... it's just the 2nd empire we don't know about.