Talk:Dooku/Legends

The mistakes of Dooku
Dooku made 2 big mistakes on Genosis: One, he didn't just kill our favorite trio with his lightsaber, ending the greatest warriors of the Republic, and 2, When Yoda was holding the crane, he could of killed Yoda with his lightsaber, killing the 4 reatest Jedi, Yoda, Anakin and Obi-Wan would be dead, and Luke never born. Talk about a moron!!!


 * I see Anakin being a bigger moron than Dooku.

Yes. I wondered about that for a long time as well. Another mistake of his was force-pushing Anakin back after slicing off his arm. During that time, he could've completely decapitated Anakin, preventing Anakin from killing him later aboard Invisible Hand. He DID look sorry for what he had done, though. Maybe Palpatine had already told him to leave Anakin alive. Who knows?-Lord Dooku 04:10, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Another mistake or it he coul have just been plain dumb was that he told obi wanWhat if i told you that the republic was now in the hands of a sith lord called darth sidious. and so on he continues to reaveal stuff.
 * It was Sidious who told Dooku to reveal the stuff to confuse the Jedi with the truth, as revealed in Labyrinth of Evil. Darth Kevinmhk 06:04, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

Sorry but thats not really all that possible, first all the events of the phantom meanace and now he reveals sidious, now thats just plain dumb, besides dooku wanted obi wan to join him.
 * Anon, how is that "not really all that possible"? Plus, he only said what he said to deceive Obi-Wan and make it seem like he was on Obi-Wan's side. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:05, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

You just cant except the fact that your wrong, sorry dude.


 * Well in anycase thats yout opinion, and these pages are not the place for it Jedi Dude 20:43, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Whatever wierdo freak person!

Hey hey no don't be agressive. Recalling the 2nd film, it seems that Dooku really wants Obi Wan to join him and destroy the Sith, he treats teh Jedi well and could kill lots of Jedis, but he didn't. Is there any novel, comic CANON, that specifies what he did? Did he really wanted to be a "good" guy? We know he was very dissapointed with the Jedis, maybe he really wanted to destroy teh Siths. Again I need to get proofs. Another thing is that this talk between Obi Wan and Dooku doesn't appear in the main article and it should! -Miguel Ricardo-

I agree, it seems to me that Dooku was kind of crying out for someone to save him from the evil of Darth Sidious, but he couldn't just run off or say it out loud because Sidious was listening to him. And yeah, he could've easily killed Obi-Wan, Yoda, and Anakin[though Sidious might have told Count Dooku to keep Anakin alive] if he wanted to, but for some reason he didn't. FinalWish 19:40, 29 June 2007 (UTC)


 * About the alleged mistake number one: If Dooku had attempted to kill Yoda while he was holding the crane, naturally Yoda would have countered. If he hadn't, he would have died with Anakin and Obi-Wan. If he had, only Anakin and Obi-Wan would have died, Yoda would have lived and might even have prevented Dooku from escaping. Yoda's choice would have been obvious so I wouldn't say Dooku made a mistake. Besides, as it seems, Dooku wasn't intending to kill Anakin, who would have died if Dooku had killed Yoda. Anyway, the article seems to say nothing about Dooku's mistakes so is this discussion essential at all? --Gurbiza 11:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

First of all Yoda is alive in IV V and VI is he not? So Dooku couldnt have killed him. Second, Dooku was only a placeholder for Anakin. Palpatine never intended Dooku to be his apprentice. So he couldnt kill Anakin. And last, Dooku preferred Obi-Wan over Anakin. Dooku despised Anakin because he reminded him of himself when he was a pawawan. So he would be going against his own will if he killed Obi-Wan. There, now you can all stop argueing, your questions are answered.

Final duel section
The part detailing Dooku's final battle against Anakin has way too many redudant pictures. I'd say we cut it down to two at most Lalala la 03:07, 18 December 2007 (UTC)

Reminding of a detail
In AOTC we hear Tyranus' name by Jango. Then later we see Dooku on Geonosis introducing himself as Dooku to Obi-Wan. Do we learn later that Dooku is Tyranus in the same movie, or is it a revelation in ROTS? MoffRebus 10:22, 23 December 2007 (UTC)
 * IIRC, Sidious refers to Dooku as Tyranus when they meet near the end of AoTC. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 21:28, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Not a Sith Lord
Dooku can't technically be a Sith Lord because he was still the apprentice of Sidious. So he does not deserve the title of Darth. Any Thoughts? sorry for not logging in.
 * Er, that's not how it works. Remember, Darth Vader was an apprentice of Sidious too. The apprentice is also a Dark Lord of the Sith and gets the title of Darth. -LtNOWIS 19:49, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

A Jedi slowly earns the title of Knight while he learns humility. The Sith however can attain the ranking of Lord even while they are still learning under their Master, due to the Sith style of craving for power.
 * Heh, not a bad thing to point out. The funny thing is, he can still be a Sith Lord even though he is still Sidious apprentice, as that is how Sith view power and crave it.

The only thing that doesn’t make sense is the ability for the apprentice Sith to be a Dark Lord at the same time. Dark Lord is the highest rank of the Sith Order and is or should be carried only by the most powerful Sith. Also, the idea of both Master and Apprentice having the highest title, Dark Lord, at the same time directly contradicts the Sith ideals of greed and hoarding power. Unlike the Jedi, the Sith do not share power, so the idea of Master and Apprentice having the Dark Lord title at the same time is fairly idiotic. Also keep in mind that the whole reason the Apprentice usurps the Master, is for the Mantle of the Sith, I.E., Dark Lord. If both Master and Apprentice share the title, then there is nothing to usurp. And also no reason for the Apprentice to kill the Master for a title he already possesses.

While Sith Lord is the equivalent to Jedi Master, the idea of a Sith Apprentice being a Dark Lord at the same time would be like Obi-Wan Kenobi in the Phantom Menace being a Grandmaster.

Add to that the idea of a Padawan defeating a supposed Dark Lord like Maul is also unrealistic, at least If he was truly a Dark Lord.

Something to think about at least.

So while it is technically plausible to be a Sith Lord and Apprentice at the same time, Dooku still shouldn't have been a Dark Lord as well.
 * This is all completely irrelevant. We knew Darth Vader was a Dark Lord of the Sith long before we knew Palpatine was. It's a title that rightfully belongs to the apprentice too. Yrfeloran 17:05, 28 May 2008 (UTC)

Otherwise they still remain, no matter what you say.
 * I already gave good reasons as to why he shouldn't. Just because he was automatically a Dark Lord doesn’t mean the discussed inconsistency above makes any sense.
 * Canon > sense. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 18:02, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Wrong. The apearance of Canon didn't explain the inconsistency. When it does, then it will > sense.
 * There is no inconsistency. Nothing has ever established that Sith apprentices under the Rule of Two weren't Dark Lords (or, if something has, it's been overridden); Maul, Dooku, and Vader have all been described as such numerous times. All you've got to back you up is your opinion. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 18:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You need to reread what I wrote up there then. It isn't just opinion - I pointed out several highly ironic inconsistencies. If you can look through what I wrote and then systematically come up with a good answer for each inconsistency, then it will all be cleared up.
 * You just keep pointing back to an argument that relies largely on your own point of view. Your arguments rests heavily on the supposition that Dark Lord of the Sith is a title that is earned like a ranking system. The Sith don't have a ranking system. Either you're in or you're not. Think of the title less as a sign of rank than as a sign of formality- sort of like how both Anakin and Obi-Wan were referred to as "Master Jedi" in AOTC, despite neither of them actually being masters. No, it's not the same, but it's along that line of thought.Eggmanland 07:27, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

The things I pointed out were not just opinion. They were very ironic inconsistencies and unless someone actually has the intelligence or stamina to go into those flaws and bother to explain each one, then you can't prove anything otherwise.
 * Wow, show's how much you know. It is a ranking system - and Jedi use such a ranking system as well. Dark Lord is the leader of the Sith Order as Grandmaster is leader of the Jedi Order.

I've already explained why, and listing them doesn't prove your point either.--69.51.150.90 23:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC) Canon says that Dark Lord of the Sith is not the highest rank in the Sith Order, proof?--69.51.150.90 23:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC) '''I can see that your an idiot, ot perhaps you haven't been privy to Star Wars for very long. No Sith Lord is the standby title for Sith Masters and their students, Dark Lord however is a higher title. Also, are you saying that the Sith don't hoard power and aren't greedy?'''--69.51.150.90 23:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC) '''Duh. And If you had some brains, you'd know that the apprentice doesn't strike down the Master until he has learned everything he can. That and aperently the apprentice already possess the mantle of the Sith since he's a Dark Lord.'''--69.51.150.90 23:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC) '''No shit. I said Dark Lord is the mantle of the Sith, not Sith Lord, pay attention, moron. Sith Master is not the offical title for master of the Sith Order, and no Dark Lord of the Sith is not used for a general honest to goodness Sith, are you an idiot? Sith Lord is the general term for a Sith.'''--69.51.150.90 23:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC) '''Duh. And If you already have the title, I.E. The mantle, there is nothing to usurp.'''--69.51.150.90 23:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC) Duh, and it is the mantle, which is power, which is what Sith kill for - use your brain.--69.51.150.90 23:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC) '''Wrong. Sith Master is not the leader of the Sith Order, you need to actually research Star Wars more before you make claims like an idiot noobie. Sith Lord is on par with Jedi Master and Dark Lord is on par with Grandmaster.'''--69.51.150.90 23:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC) '''Really? AOTC Anakin would never be able to defeat Palpatine, or are you saying by some luck of the draw he could?'''--69.51.150.90 23:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC) '''No idiot. Once again, pay attention. Just as Grandmaster and Master aren't the same thing, Sith Lord and DARK Lord are not the same thing. If you think from my earlier points that I'm saying they are the same thing then you truly are a retard.'''--69.51.150.90 23:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC) '''I think I just pointed out enough. Let's see your intellectually feeble responses.''' --69.51.150.90 23:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC) ''Two meters tall. Bipedal. Flowing black robes trailing from the figure and a face forever masked by a functional if bizarre black metal breath screen - a Dark Lord of the Sith was an awesome, threatening shape as it strode through the corridors of the rebel ship. Fear followed in the footsteps of all the Dark Lords...'' Anyway, your theory was bull even before the first Star Wars movie ever came out. Yrfeloran 00:17, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * You want refuting? Here goes.
 * "The only thing that doesn’t make sense is the ability for the apprentice Sith to be a Dark Lord at the same time." - Who says? Certainly not canon (which, by the way, is what's used here on Wookieepedia). I can name several of these that, in your words, "doesn't make sense": Palpatine & Vader, Revan and Malak, Sidious and Dooku, Sidious and Maul, Vader and Lumiya (though she was "Lady")... and there's more still.
 * But I explained using canon. Not theories.
 * "Dark Lord is the highest rank of the Sith Order and is or should be carried only by the most powerful Sith." - Once again, who says? Once again, not canon; canon says the opposite.
 * Wait, what? Did you just repeat what I just said? CANON shows that a Dark lord of the Sith can be used at the same time by a Master and Apprentice.
 * "Also, the idea of both Master and Apprentice having the highest title, Dark Lord, at the same time directly contradicts the Sith ideals of greed and hoarding power." - Wait, what? How did we arrive at this conclusion? Nothing says that this is the "highest" title - just that it's a title Sith masters and apprentices use.
 * Oh, an idiot, eh? Might I bring up NPA at this moment? You keep interchanging "Dark Lord [of the Sith]" and "Sith Lord". They're not the same, though you're certainly using them in such a way.
 * "Unlike the Jedi, the Sith do not share power, so the idea of Master and Apprentice having the Dark Lord title at the same time is fairly idiotic." - Then why, at the moment of apprenticeship, doesn't the Apprentice strike down the master? Sharing power is a necessary evil. Also... titles = power? So if I were to walk down to a bank, claim I'm the King of France, and withdraw money from someone's bank account, I'd be able to do it because I'm the King?
 * Oh boy, more personal attacks. Keep it up, and expect a ban. The mantle of the Sith is not a title. The mantle of the Sith is the position of leading the Sith, of having the most power. As it's been shown countless times in canon, Sith Masters and Sith Apprentices share the title, so your "arguments" are moot.
 * "Also keep in mind that the whole reason the Apprentice usurps the Master, is for the Mantle of the Sith, I.E., Dark Lord." - "Sith Lord" has never been used as the title for the Mantle of the Sith. That's what Sith Master is for. Dark Lord of the Sith (or Sith Lord) is for a general, honest-to-goodness Sith.
 * Certainly seems someone is trying for a ban, eh? I NEVER SAID Sith Master was the title for the Master of the Sith. From what I've seen in canon, and from what you've described,
 * "If both Master and Apprentice share the title, then there is nothing to usurp." - You mean besides power and authority? It. Is. A. Title.
 * You're not understanding. The title is not the mantle. It. Is. A. Title. The mantle is the power.
 * "And also no reason for the Apprentice to kill the Master for a title he already possesses." - See above; It. Is. A. Title.
 * My brain is in use, thank you very much. And the title does NOT equal power. The title equals a title. See canon for more evidence. (not the article, I mean in general)
 * "While Sith Lord is the equivalent to Jedi Master, the idea of a Sith Apprentice being a Dark Lord at the same time would be like Obi-Wan Kenobi in the Phantom Menace being a Grandmaster." - How so? Nothing has been shown canonically (and in fact, based on all of the apprenticeships that say otherwise, has been contradicted by canon) that Sith Lord = Jedi Grandmaster, or even Jedi Master. Once again, that's what Sith Master is for.
 * Until you show references, your claims have no canon proof.
 * "Add to that the idea of a Padawan defeating a supposed Dark Lord like Maul is also unrealistic, at least If he was truly a Dark Lord." - Or it's the Force at work. Or simple cleverness. If that works like you say, then there would never be an usurper.
 * Actually, yes, that's what I'm saying, but without the luck. We don't know either way, so stop using hypothetical situations.
 * "So while it is technically plausible to be a Sith Lord and Apprentice at the same time, Dooku still shouldn't have been a Dark Lord as well." - Did you just contradict yourself? Aren't "Dark Lord of the Sith" and "Sith Lord" one in the same? From your previous arguments, it certainly seems like you think so.
 * Once again, PA, blah blah blah. In fact, I don't even feel the need to prove my answer (I mean, I already have canon on my side).
 * And so there. If I missed anything, please let me know. kthxbai. 23:52, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Sheesh, someone's obviously never actually read any Wookieepedia policies before. Enjoy your PA ban. 00:03, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
 * From my copy of the Star Wars novelization, first published in 1976, page 8:

Young Dooku Image
There's a picture of Dooku as a padawan on the cover of Star Wars: The Legacy of the Jedi. I don't know how to upload images...well I'm confused with the JPEG, PNG, etc...., but I think that that is a good photo of him as a young padawan, so if anyone can upload a photo of the picture of the cover of the book while cutting away the other parts and centering on Dooku. He's shown right next to the young padawan, Qui-Gon Jinn who's standing next to the young padawan, Obi-Wan Kenobi and then Anakin... Cyfiero 01:17, 9 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, the image in question has already been uploaded way back, but for some reason it was never included in the article. Here, feel free to do whatever you want with it. :) --Tinwe 16:14, 7 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh thanks Tinwe. Marco Lam  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]]( Contact ) 01:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, so I added the image to the article. However, I think it'll look better if it was on the left. So, I'm considering switching the positions of the image of Dooku with Yoda and the image of Dooku with his curved-hilt lightsaber. Any objections? Marco Lam  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]]( Contact ) 01:26, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I would really rather we not include this image. The article's not supposed to be a gallery of every image of Dooku, the image is a cover so it's not entirely canon, and the green saber + blond just brings in continuity problems. I would prefer to just keep the Yoda image, which is at least an actual event in Dooku's life and not part of a slapped-together montage. Yrfeloran 01:51, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay then, sure thing. But I've seen articles with these kind of images though. I'll have it removed. Marco Lam  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]]( Contact ) 05:48, 8 April 2008 (UTC)

Dooku
Did Lucas explaine why he place Dooku in the movies

I'm not sure, but please sign your post. Cyfiero 04:50, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Dooku's Name?
Is there any canon information, or even fan speculation, about what Count Dooku's first name is? Or is Dooku his first name, and "of Serenno" serves as his surname/family name, as "of (town)" once served Earth nobility in some countries?

Cy Ndakiel 20:57, 18 February 2008 (UTC)Cy Ndakiel


 * As of now, there is no canon source giving Count Dooku's full name, or even if he has a longer name than simply "Count Dooku". There are other cases in SW: While most Naboos have first name plus surname, Palpatine uses only one word; Steve Sansweet parallelizes this to real-world Indonesia, where "many people go by one name." Some fans (such as infamous Michael Suttle) have speculated and provided their own, fanon first names for Dooku - none of them is officially aproved by Lucas or subsidiaries. Not even your theory, "Count (first name:) Dooku (last name:) of Serenno", has been confirmed (although it is one of the more reasonable theories I've seen). Hope I've answered your question. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 08:28, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 'Count Dooku of Serenno' as a phrase has been used in canon (Dark Rendezvous), but it's a minority usage. There is evidence that there may be multiple lines of Counts on Serenno (Rule of Two), but that's ancient and the modern situation is unknown. Count [name] with [name] being the name of the noble house is one use on Serenno in Rule of Two, but I'm unwilling to currently extrapolate. Everyone just calls him Dooku as a Jedi.Yrfeloran 16:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Count was his title. Somewhere along the way, I read (probably on here) that he took his family title as Count of Serenno back when he left the order. Dooku may have been his only name since he would have likely been considered royalty, at least by the people of Serenno. While it is common for royalty to have actual names, how many people seriously knew Queen Amidala's real name while she was queen? For that matter, who can name Queen Elizabeth's last name, because it sure as heck isn't Windsor (as in the House of Windsor) anymore; that's her maiden name.  Amth  ( Enter my Mind ) 05:08, 27 July 2008 (UTC)

Canon
I don't recall the story of the creation of Grievous, especially the blood transfusion from Sifo-Dyas as being classified canon. Did I miss that, or should it be set aside as ambiguously canon in the article? Micah Giett 19:04, 25 February 2008 (UTC)
 * It was mentioned in Insider, in a Grievous article, IIRC, and said to -not- give him Force powers Yrfeloran 16:49, 22 March 2008 (UTC)

Eyes of a Sith
I personally never thought Dooku was a true sith but i was wondering if he even ever had the yellow eyes of a sith lord? Was that ever in a book/cartoon? Steves490 04:40, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Name?
I think we should change the title to Darth Tyranus... Aquenral 17:00, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * He was never publicly known as Tyranus. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 17:05, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * However it was his true name that he died as, never being redeemed, like Darth Caedus, Darth Bane, Darth Traya etc.Jedi-Sith 07:54, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It may have been the name he considered his true name, but it wasn't publicly relevant. Most of Dooku's infamy was under his birth name, just like Palpatine did his worst under that name, rather than as Darth Sidious, even if he technically still had that name (and possibly also considered it his true name). Of course, I also think we should change some of the clone commander pages to reflect their more well-known names, but what do I know? Eggmanland 15:08, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Jacen made people start calling him Darth Caedus so he essentially changed his name to his title, whereas Dooku didn't do that. Hunterj|My talk 13:31, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In his holocron, Dooku refers to himself as Tyranus, considering Dooku a façade. See the essential guide to the force.--Gonzalo84 23:45, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it's Sidious's holocron, and I can't imagine him saying anything else where his Master might hear. In the text of books, I think, he mostly self-refers as Dooku. A couple of minions call him Tyranus sometimes, but very few.Yrfeloran 20:45, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Age
While it is already established that Dooku is 83-years-old when killed, in flipping through my paperback version of Revenge of the Sith, I found such a nice portion of lines I wanted to share from page 51:

''Again, Dooku sighed. Today he felt every hour of his eighty-three years. "It is...fatiguing, to play the villain for so long, Master. I find myself looking forward to an honorable captivity."''

Overconfidence is ageless, no? JoelBray 17:59, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Council Member
So, Dooku was a Council Member, Chee says. Somebody reflect this in the article please. Mauser 22:37, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll handle it Yrfeloran 22:39, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

Images
If somebody could get us an image from TCW or associated media of Dooku talking to Jabba or Dooku talking to Asajj to replace the promotional image in the TCW section, I'd be most appreciative. Promotional images really add nothing to the article Yrfeloran 01:51, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Dooku thinks he's the chosen one
I don't know if this is mentioned in the article and I scanned it and couldn't find it, but I think I remember reading in the Roleplaying Game Guide (an older version) that Dooku thought he was the chosen one (a testimony to his arrogance) because of his power. Should this be included if not in the article, where at, and doroleplaying strategy guides count as canon? Coruscant nightlights 03:42, 1 December 2008 (UTC)coruscant_nighlights
 * IIRC, it wasn't so much that he thought he was the chosen one as that he thought Anakin definitely wasn't since the chosen one would be similar to himself. I've tried to synthesize all of the characterization takes in this article, including that one Yrfeloran 04:45, 1 December 2008 (UTC)

Apprenticed to?
I just watched Episode II and Yoda calls Dooku his old apprentice...so, what's right: the movie or this page? 70.178.12.157 23:48, 5 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I'd like to follow-up on the previous poster's query with a more detailed question/proposal. Although I'm well aware that the Thame Cerulian contradiction has been around a while now, and that there is as-yet no fiction which directly depicts Dooku serving as Yoda's padawan... it still strikes me as being of overriding significance that Yoda specifically calls him "my old padawan" in the film itself.
 * I really feel that this page should contain some kind of statement like "at some unknown point Dooku also served as Yoda's apprentice" or somesuch, as the line of dialogue clearly indicates. At the very least I think there should be a revision of the sentence in the Continuity section (which is otherwise very good) which says "Yoda is heavily implied to have been Dooku's Master in Star Wars Episode II: Attack of the Clones". It just seems to me that "heavily implied" is inaccurate and rather misleading - Yoda quite unambiguously refers to Dooku as his former padawan, he doesn't "imply" anything. Not much gray area there, I wouldn't think. Cheers, JJ.122.105.188.162 06:44, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Timeline
I know the whole deal with the dates of new Clone Wars TV series, and the contradictions, etc etc. This article places the events of The Clone Wars movie and TV series at the beginning of the Clone Wars, while Anakin Skywalker's page has them taking place towards the end. There needs to be some consistency from article to article. Are we gonna treat it as towards the end (due to Anakin being a Knight, his scar, etc) or at the beginning (due to the actual works themselves stating such)? Either all the articles should treat them as "right after Geonosis" or "Right before the Battle of Coruscant". Duke Starhopper 21:11, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Go with what the sources say, which is 22 BBY. Then we hit our heads against the wall and cry as we try and make it fit into the previously established chronology. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 12:32, 19 January 2009 (UTC)

Lord of the Rings deletion
May I ask why the section on the many strong similarities between Dooku and Saruman from Lord of the Rings were summarily deleted, while the similarities to Dracula remain? I felt that a it was concise, made a clear case, and is equally noteworthy. I'd appreciate some rationale for deleting this contribution, please. -PP.PP 22:36, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Pretty simple really. The Dracula thing has a clear source. Look at the reference tag there, it links straight to StarWars.com where it makes a clear connection. Your LotR connection has no source, and it's just your original research, which falls squarely under the WP:OR policy here. Cull Tremayne 23:43, 30 January 2009 (UTC)