Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Log/2019 September 7

Sep 07 14:20:07  Welcome to Inqmoot 107 Sep 07 14:20:44  Ok, beginning with probed articles from last meeting Sep 07 14:20:51  https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Mission_to_Empress_Teta Sep 07 14:20:57  https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Mission_to_Empress_Teta Sep 07 14:21:00 * AnilSerifoglu (~AnilSerif@wookieepedia/Anil) has joined Sep 07 14:21:00 * ChanServ gives channel operator status to AnilSerifoglu Sep 07 14:21:04  No change Sep 07 14:21:08  Hello, Anil Sep 07 14:21:10 KILl Sep 07 14:21:14  Kill Sep 07 14:21:21  Hi there, sorry I'm late folks Sep 07 14:21:22  Kill Sep 07 14:21:29  Kill Sep 07 14:22:00  Mission to Empress Teta killed Sep 07 14:22:04  https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Vara_Nreem Sep 07 14:22:09  https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Vara_Nreem Sep 07 14:22:16  No change Sep 07 14:22:18  Kill Sep 07 14:22:18  Kill Sep 07 14:22:20 Kill Sep 07 14:22:27 <Toprawa> Kill Sep 07 14:22:29 <Toprawa> Vara Nreem killed Sep 07 14:22:33 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Orley_Vanicus Sep 07 14:22:37 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Orley_Vanicus Sep 07 14:22:42 <Toprawa> No change Sep 07 14:22:48 Kill Sep 07 14:22:50 <AnilSerifoglu> Kill Sep 07 14:22:51 <Toprawa> Kill Sep 07 14:22:52 <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill Sep 07 14:22:54 <Toprawa> Orley Vanicus killed Sep 07 14:22:57 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sidrona Sep 07 14:23:02 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Sidrona Sep 07 14:23:05 <Toprawa> No change Sep 07 14:23:10 <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill Sep 07 14:23:12 Kill Sep 07 14:23:17 <Toprawa> Kill Sep 07 14:23:19 <AnilSerifoglu> Kill Sep 07 14:23:29 <Toprawa> Sidrona killed Sep 07 14:23:32 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Teta Sep 07 14:23:36 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Teta Sep 07 14:23:40 <Toprawa> No change Sep 07 14:23:44 <AnilSerifoglu> Kill Sep 07 14:23:46 Kill Sep 07 14:23:51 <Toprawa> Kill Sep 07 14:24:11 <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill Sep 07 14:24:13 <Toprawa> Teta killed Sep 07 14:24:17 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Khar_Delba Sep 07 14:24:21 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Battle_of_Khar_Delba Sep 07 14:24:24 <Toprawa> No change Sep 07 14:24:26 Kill Sep 07 14:24:28 <AnilSerifoglu> Kill Sep 07 14:24:28 <Toprawa> Kill Sep 07 14:24:33 <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill Sep 07 14:24:40 <Toprawa> Battle of Khar Delba killed Sep 07 14:24:45 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Empress_Teta Sep 07 14:24:49 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Second_Battle_of_Empress_Teta_(second_review) Sep 07 14:24:52 <Toprawa> No change Sep 07 14:24:54 <AnilSerifoglu> Kill Sep 07 14:24:57 Kill Sep 07 14:25:01 <Toprawa> Kill Sep 07 14:25:10 <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill Sep 07 14:25:14 <Toprawa> Second Battle of Empress Teta killed Sep 07 14:25:17 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Kemplex_IX Sep 07 14:25:20 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Battle_of_Kemplex_IX_(second_review) Sep 07 14:25:22 <Toprawa> No change Sep 07 14:25:24 <AnilSerifoglu> Kill Sep 07 14:25:26 <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill Sep 07 14:25:28 Kill Sep 07 14:25:33 <Toprawa> Kill Sep 07 14:25:38 <Toprawa> Battle of Kemplex IX killed Sep 07 14:25:41 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Adas Sep 07 14:25:45 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Adas_(third_review) Sep 07 14:25:48 <Toprawa> No change Sep 07 14:25:51 <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill Sep 07 14:25:58 <AnilSerifoglu> Kill Sep 07 14:25:59 Kill Sep 07 14:26:00 <Toprawa> Kill Sep 07 14:26:02 <Toprawa> Adas killed Sep 07 14:26:04 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Coruscant_(Great_Sith_War) Sep 07 14:26:07 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Battle_of_Coruscant_(Great_Sith_War)_(second_review) Sep 07 14:26:10 <Toprawa> No change Sep 07 14:26:12 <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill Sep 07 14:26:17 <Toprawa> Kill Sep 07 14:26:20 Kill Sep 07 14:26:24 <AnilSerifoglu> Kill Sep 07 14:26:28 <Toprawa> Battle of Coruscant (Great Sith War) killed Sep 07 14:26:34 <Toprawa> That's all for those Sep 07 14:26:40 <Toprawa> Moving on to new specimens Sep 07 14:27:07 <Toprawa> Please refer to the meeting page for probationary reasons to avoid burdening the meeting log Sep 07 14:27:15 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Chameleon_droid Sep 07 14:27:21 <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe Sep 07 14:27:22 <AnilSerifoglu> Probe Sep 07 14:27:26 <Toprawa> Probe Sep 07 14:27:28 Probe Sep 07 14:27:37 <Toprawa> Chameleon droid probed Sep 07 14:27:45 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/RX-Series_pilot_droid/Legends Sep 07 14:27:55 <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe Sep 07 14:27:58 <AnilSerifoglu> Prob Sep 07 14:28:00 <Toprawa> Probe Sep 07 14:28:00 <AnilSerifoglu> Probe Sep 07 14:28:06 Probe Sep 07 14:28:09 <Toprawa> RX-Series pilot droid Sep 07 14:28:16 <Toprawa> I will post the shorter ones, though Sep 07 14:28:22 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/GU-series_%22Guardian%22_police_droid Sep 07 14:28:27 <Toprawa> The biggest issue with this article at present is a drive-by update it underwent some time ago by a user other than the original nominator who isn't experienced in status-article writing, particularly the level of quality we expect. The update isn't particularly written, organized, or formatted well, and overall it could use a good overhaul and cleanup, and frankly I wonder how much of it was actually copied verbatim Sep 07 14:28:27 <Toprawa> from the original source, since some of language seems unusually stilted. On top of that, the BTS was never updated to detail the name change it underwent from Endless Vigil. Sep 07 14:28:27 <Toprawa> None of the BBY dates are referenced correctly Sep 07 14:28:27 <Toprawa> The History section could certainly be subsectioned, with the addition of more quotes/images as available Sep 07 14:28:32 <Toprawa> BTS is unsourced. Air date for the TCW episode would be nice. Sep 07 14:28:32 <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe Sep 07 14:28:34 <Toprawa> Missing backup links. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:04, September 5, 2019 (UTC) Sep 07 14:28:37 <AnilSerifoglu> Probe Sep 07 14:28:37 <Toprawa> Probe Sep 07 14:28:42 Probe Sep 07 14:28:48 <Toprawa> GU-series "Guardian" police droid Sep 07 14:28:48 <Toprawa> probed Sep 07 14:28:55 <Toprawa> GU-series "Guardian" police droid probed Sep 07 14:28:56 <Toprawa> There Sep 07 14:29:01 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lone_battle_droid Sep 07 14:29:04 <Toprawa> Please see meeting page Sep 07 14:29:07 <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe Sep 07 14:29:09 <AnilSerifoglu> Probe Sep 07 14:29:10 <Toprawa> Probe Sep 07 14:29:12 Probe Sep 07 14:29:14 <Toprawa> Lone battle droid probed Sep 07 14:29:23 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Doctor_(tactical_droid) Sep 07 14:29:28 <Toprawa> 21 BBY is infobox-exclusive and is not referenced correctly anyways Sep 07 14:29:28 <Toprawa> Underlinking throughout Sep 07 14:29:28 <Toprawa> Items being sourced to Galaxy at War will need a manual note, since this specific droid is not mentioned in that source Sep 07 14:29:28 <Toprawa> How can this be sourced to Act on Instinct when Doctor is the only tactical droid in that story? "In contrast to most T-series droids..." Sep 07 14:29:30 <Toprawa> Act on Instinct needs to employ SW.com citation template in Appearances and referencing Sep 07 14:29:32 <Toprawa> BTS is unsourced and should be revised to avoid "first appearance" wording, since this is and will remain the droid's only appearance in Legends. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 18:26, September 5, 2019 (UTC) Sep 07 14:29:34 <AnilSerifoglu> Probe Sep 07 14:29:35 <Toprawa> Probe Sep 07 14:29:38 <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe Sep 07 14:29:38 Probe Sep 07 14:29:41 <Toprawa> Doctor (tactical droid) probed Sep 07 14:29:47 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Joruus_C%27baoth Sep 07 14:29:50 <Toprawa> Please see meeting page Sep 07 14:29:52 <AnilSerifoglu> Probe Sep 07 14:29:55 Probe Sep 07 14:29:57 <Toprawa> Probe Sep 07 14:29:59 <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe Sep 07 14:30:02 <Toprawa> Joruus C'baoth probed Sep 07 14:30:08 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Etro_Edthatt Sep 07 14:30:10 <Toprawa> Please see meeting page Sep 07 14:30:11 <AnilSerifoglu> Probe Sep 07 14:30:14 <Toprawa> Probe Sep 07 14:30:17 <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe Sep 07 14:30:18 Probe Sep 07 14:30:20 <Toprawa> Etro Edthatt probed Sep 07 14:30:27 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Emperor%27s_Retreat Sep 07 14:30:33 <Toprawa> General underlinking throughout Sep 07 14:30:33 <Toprawa> Fix redirects Sep 07 14:30:33 <Toprawa> Format image captions correctly Sep 07 14:30:33 <Toprawa> Enlarge image thumbnails as appropriate to accommodate Wikia skin Sep 07 14:30:33 <Toprawa> The two ABY dates are in this article coming from Galaxies can't be sourced straight to that game Sep 07 14:30:34 <Toprawa> History could use subsectioning Sep 07 14:30:36 <Toprawa> BTS unsourced Sep 07 14:30:38 <Toprawa> Nexus of Power was added to the Sources list but never checked for a possible update Sep 07 14:30:40 <Toprawa> Refs 1, 2, and 3 need to use appropriate citation templates. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:28, September 5, 2019 (UTC) Sep 07 14:30:43 <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe Sep 07 14:30:43 <AnilSerifoglu> Probe Sep 07 14:30:44 Probe Sep 07 14:30:46 <Toprawa> Probe Sep 07 14:30:51 <Toprawa> Emperor's Retreat probed Sep 07 14:30:54 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/The_Drunk_Side Sep 07 14:31:01 <Toprawa> Remove unnecessary links from quote and image captions Sep 07 14:31:03 <Toprawa> Dreshdae Cantina is presented as an alternate name for the establishment, but this info is not reflected in the article body Sep 07 14:31:06 <Toprawa> General underlinking Sep 07 14:31:08 <Toprawa> The History section would benefit from smaller paragraphs and some subsectioning. The first, third, and fourth paragraphs all look like candidates for paragraph breaks. Sep 07 14:31:08 <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe Sep 07 14:31:11 <Toprawa> The Mika Dorin image doesn't fit well where it is. That should either be placed somewhere better with some subsectioning or removed. Sep 07 14:31:14 <Toprawa> Neither of the BBY dates in the article body can be sourced straight to the KOTOR games. Sep 07 14:31:17 <Toprawa> BTS should add release date and publisher for the video game. Sep 07 14:31:19 <Toprawa> Reference 4 needs to use Citeweb. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:28, September 5, 2019 (UTC) Sep 07 14:31:20 <AnilSerifoglu> Probe Sep 07 14:31:20 <Tommy-Macaroni> Sorry Sep 07 14:31:22 <Toprawa> Probe Sep 07 14:31:25 Probe Sep 07 14:31:34 <Toprawa> It looks good in my log :P Sep 07 14:31:42 <Toprawa> The Drunk Side probed Sep 07 14:31:43 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wampa/Legends Sep 07 14:31:45 <Toprawa> Update needed Sep 07 14:31:51 <AnilSerifoglu> Probe Sep 07 14:31:53 Probe Sep 07 14:31:56 <Toprawa> Probe Sep 07 14:32:06 <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe Sep 07 14:32:09 <Toprawa> Wampa/Legends probed Sep 07 14:32:18 <Toprawa> Anyone else want to bring anything to the table? Sep 07 14:32:24 <AnilSerifoglu> None from me Sep 07 14:32:25 <Tommy-Macaroni> Not from Sep 07 14:32:27 <Tommy-Macaroni> Me Sep 07 14:32:44 I don't have any FAs. Sep 07 14:32:52 <Toprawa> Ok, there's nothing else in the bin Sep 07 14:33:00 <Toprawa> Moving on to discussion items Sep 07 14:33:17 <Toprawa> I think the three review bodies need to address panel members who blow off meetings Sep 07 14:33:30 <Toprawa> I'm glad EJ and Anil were able to make it today, because this would have applied to you guys Sep 07 14:33:51 <Toprawa> In short, it's as much the responsibility of an Inq to participate in meetings as it is to review nominations Sep 07 14:33:53 <Toprawa> This isn't optional Sep 07 14:34:19 <Toprawa> When someone doesn't even leave absentee notes, that's the height of irresponsibility with regard to your obligations Sep 07 14:34:42 <Toprawa> Thus, I will direct you to the Bylaws page https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Inquisitorius_bylaws Sep 07 14:34:54 <Toprawa> I am going to propose two amendments to this page Sep 07 14:35:00 <Toprawa> The first applies to the Procedures section Sep 07 14:35:21 <Toprawa> I propose the last bullet point in that section be supplemented as follows: Sep 07 14:35:26 <Toprawa> As standard, Inqmoots will be held at 2:00 PM ET. All Inquisitors are expected to respond to the meeting page's attendance section. Sep 07 14:35:46 <Toprawa> I think it's shitty when we're sitting on meeting day waiting for people to show up and we have no idea what someone is going to do because they can't even RSVP Sep 07 14:35:52 <Toprawa> There's really no excuse for that Sep 07 14:36:47 <Toprawa> Thoughts? Sep 07 14:36:52 That's fair. Makes sense to me. Sep 07 14:36:57 <AnilSerifoglu> ^ Sep 07 14:37:20 <Toprawa> Please vote, then: Sep 07 14:37:23 <Toprawa> Support or Oppose Sep 07 14:37:27 Support Sep 07 14:37:28 <Tommy-Macaroni> Support Sep 07 14:37:28 <AnilSerifoglu> Support Sep 07 14:37:32 <Toprawa> Support Sep 07 14:37:34 <Toprawa> Measure passes Sep 07 14:37:49 <Toprawa> Second proposal applies to the Paperwork section Sep 07 14:38:25 <Toprawa> I propose the following sentence be supplemented as such regarding meeting attendance (please see Bylaws page for difference): Sep 07 14:38:29 <Toprawa> Failure to complete the meeting duties will result in a strike against the offending Inquisitorius member, as will failure to participate in a meeting, either through attendance or absentee notes. Sep 07 14:39:00 <Toprawa> This makes meeting participation mandatory, as it rightfully should be Sep 07 14:39:13 <Toprawa> Honestly, I'm kind of surprised it took us 15 years to implement this formally Sep 07 14:39:21 <Toprawa> Well, almost 15 Sep 07 14:39:25 <Toprawa> Thoughts? Sep 07 14:39:33 <Tommy-Macaroni> Definitely Sep 07 14:39:39 <AnilSerifoglu> Yes, agreed Sep 07 14:39:44 Yeah, I think that makes sense as well. Sep 07 14:39:51 <Toprawa> Please vote Support or Oppose: Sep 07 14:39:53 <AnilSerifoglu> Support Sep 07 14:39:55 <Toprawa> Support Sep 07 14:40:08 Support Sep 07 14:40:22 <Tommy-Macaroni> Support Sep 07 14:40:25 <Toprawa> Measure passes Sep 07 14:40:31 <Toprawa> As a side issue to this, I believe we should apply this rule immediately to this meeting in regard to SE Sep 07 14:40:37 <Toprawa> There's really no excuse here Sep 07 14:41:00 <Toprawa> He was sent the talk page and email notifications Sep 07 14:41:07 <Toprawa> It's his responsibility to respond Sep 07 14:41:10 <Tommy-Macaroni> Agreed Sep 07 14:41:47 <Toprawa> Anil, EJ? Sep 07 14:42:03 <AnilSerifoglu> Fair enough, go for it Sep 07 14:42:08 At the risk of sounding hypocritical since I also did not sign the page and almost forgot when the meeting was. Yeah, it is. Sep 07 14:42:22 <Toprawa> Understandable Sep 07 14:42:30 <Toprawa> We'll always offer certain concessions, of course Sep 07 14:42:31 <Toprawa> We're not monsters Sep 07 14:42:55 <Toprawa> If someone comes back and says their family got blown up in a gas explosion or something, we're not going to dock them :P Sep 07 14:43:33 <Toprawa> Ok, that's it then Sep 07 14:43:38 <Toprawa> Tommy is on paperwork Sep 07 14:43:46 <Toprawa> Meeting is adjourned Sep 07 14:43:48 <Toprawa> Thank you for coming