Talk:Darth Krayt/Archive4

Timeline
The thing that irks me the most about this series taking place at the same time (our time) as LotF is that the timing seems off. Does Lumiya not know about Krayt and his Sith? It seems strange to me that she's setting Jacen up to start this whole Sith order and getting him to Dark Lord status when his "Legacy" won't be felt in 100 years time.Duke Starhopper 19:20, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, we know she talked about other Sith, so for all we know whatever Lumiya's plan is really did succeed. I mean, in the end, the Sith are still in power. So even by that she's already successful in some way. Whether it was deliberate or what not, we probably won't learn until the end or near the end of LotF. --Sauron18 19:45, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

But like I said, we don't know for sure.--Jedi Kasra 21:15, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Lumiya and Jacen were not part of Krayt's order. Lumiya simply knew about it. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 01:06, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * But we don't even know when Krayt was born. The timeline says that Krayt's Sith Order approximately started around 30 A.B.Y. In the Dark Horse Star Wars forums, under the forum 'Darth Krayt's True Identity' there's speculation on whether it's Ben Skywalker, Tholme or A'Sharad Hett. So we won't truly know until Legacy #15 comes out. Can't wait for #15 to come out! I just hope Krayt doesn't end up being somebody we don't know.--Jedi Kasra 02:26, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Definitely not Ben, and I extremely doubt it's Tholme or A'Sharad Hett. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 14:37, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * But we don't know for sure.--Jedi Kasra 21:34, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Saying Krayt is Tholme or Hett is worse speculation than saying he's Jacen Solo, which he isn't. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 12:44, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly, which is why there is no point speculating. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 01:12, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Why is there no point in speculating? It gives you something to do while waiting for the next issue or book or episode to come out.  I guess you don't watch Lost.  Besides, as you once said, "Well, the only thing we can do is guess."

- Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 19:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC) And how is Krayt "Definitely not" Ben? Has this been officially confirmed anywhere?Duke Starhopper 22:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Speculating is pointless. It never achieves anything. 2) FYI, I do watch Lost. 3) I said that a while ago. My opinion has since changed. 4) Krayt is not Ben because Krayt was a Sith Lord by 30 ABY. If you had taken the time to read this article and Ben's article, you would have noticed that. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:07, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Possible People Darth Krayt could be
I have a thought what if this is not Jacen but his First Apprentice Ben

Kobra Stein 12/06/07 UK or 06/12/07 USA
 * Okay, no more speculation. It's not getting us anywhere. Wait for the blasted comic to come out already. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 19:04, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Now that I think about it, Hett has the same tattoos on his chin that Darth Krayt does, but I have a feeling he is someone from Vong era Jedi who turned dark

Yes, we now all know Darth Krayt was A'Sharad Hett. The signs were everywhere...Surviving the Great Jedi Purge...The connection to Tatooine...The facial tattoos and orange eyes we see Krayt has (well, Krayt only has one of the eyes left)...The Fact that he was the only one close enough to a weak Skywalker (Luke while growing up with Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru) to end the Skywalker Line

Merge
Assuming that Krayt is someone that we know already, I suggest merging and redirecting this article to the pre-existing one involving his true identity. &pi; = 3  (Talk to me, babe.) 04:56, 11 July 2007 (UTC) Merge with A'Sharad Hett? Is this true?
 * Does anyone have Legacy 14 yet? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 12:04, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Nevermind; his identity is revealed in Legacy 15. However, when his true identity is revealed, that article will likely be merged with and redirected to this article, not vice versa. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 12:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Why redirect to this one? With all other Sith lords whose names are known, (See Darth Vader, Darth Sidious, Darth Tyranus, Darth Caedus) it redirects to their real name. &pi; = 3  [[Image:Oldsith.png|40px]] (Talk to me, babe.) 14:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It will probably depend on who Darth Krayt is, I mean, if Darth Krayt is Ben Skywalker, it wouldn't make any sense to me if the info on Ben redirected to this article. Darth Caedus' and Darth Vader's info redirects to  Jacen Solo's and Anakin Skywalker's, as does Darth Tyranus to Dooku.--Jedi Kasra 20:37, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Piequals: That's true. However, until the comic has been out for a month, both articles will likely remain separate. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:16, 18 July 2007 (UTC)
 * To clarify what Kasra said: the decision to merge Krayt into another article, or another article into Krayt, will likely be based on one question: which is the more prominent character; Krayt or the person he used to be? Palpatine, Dooku, Anakin and Jacen are far more prominent characters in their own incarnations than they are as their Sith counterparts Sidious, Tyranus, Vader and Caedus. By contrast, Darth Bane is more prominent as a character than his pre-Sith incarnation of Dessel; indeed, it could be argued that the sole purpose of the Dessel backstory is just to set up Bane as a character, it doesn't function as its own story arc like Anakin did. So really, as Kasra said, it depends on who Krayt is revealed to be. Let's say it's A'Sharad Hett, just for the sake of argument (though I don't support that myself): is the character more prominent as an secondary Jedi character in one comic series (in which case Krayt will be merged into Hett), or as the primary Sith antagonist in another comic series (in which case Hett will be merged into Krayt)? You make the call, but that's probably the logic that will determine how the call is made. Erik Pflueger [[Image:Republican_Emblem.png|20px]] 04:41, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * In all likely hood though, like we did with Kreia/Darth Traya, we'll have a vote at which name. Simple, no? -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 05:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Indeed. So, which will it be: A'Sharad Hett or Darth Krayt? ;) &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 17:49, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * What if it was Luke?Meesa yoda 03:21, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Luke's already dead by this time. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 11:52, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it's August 8. Now we'll find out.  Chack Jadson  Talk 11:13, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'll be heading out to get my copy around noon. I can't wait to see who Krayt really is. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 14:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * so are these edits true or vandals?Stinkywookie 15:41, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * A'Sharad Hett will likely be merged into this article, as Krayt no longer goes by "A'Sharad Hett". &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Never mind; it already is. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Shouldn't Darth Krayt be changed to A'Sharad Hett, since he is truly A'Sharad, and not Krayt? You guys did this for Jacen, so I don't see how A'Sharad is any different. -Zinnos= You're all so welcoming. Zinnos Ok, if you want to think that. But I'll shut up now. Zinnos
 * Jacen Solo still kept his identity of Jacen (when one of the joint acting Chiefs of State suddenly becomes a "Darth", that spells trouble). Krayt apparently completely renounced his former identity of A'Sharad. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 00:40, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
 * So did Darth Vader, yet his profile falls under Anakin's. I think you should decide on a universal style for this, and so far the majority is the Darth title/identity falls under the real name.
 * True, but he turned away from the dark side before he died, so Anakin would apply. -- Reignfire 00:02, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Regardless, we go with last known name. Therefore, it's Darth Krayt over A'Sharad Hett unless he decides to do the same thing Anakin did. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 00:05, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The last known name for Jacen is Darth Caedus, same for Darth Vader. Same should go for A'Sharad Hett. Zinnos
 * Wrong, wrong, and no. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 19:37, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Well aren't you all nice and polite. Zinnos
 * I'm not the one being so stubborn about policy and leaving the article under "Darth Krayt". &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 17:10, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * And I'm not the one being rude to someone that is only expressing their opinion. Zinnos
 * Stop it. This isn't a place to bicker. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * So you can argue back but when I do it it is so totally wrong? Zinnos
 * Ok, i'll tell you. Stop argueing, and shut it.  Jasca Ducato Sith Council 19:55, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, we are.  Jasca Ducato Sith Council 19:40, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Hett
Reports on the Jedi Council Forums appear to name Hett as Krayt.

http://boards.theforce.net/literature/b10003/26691937/p15

Ending the Skywalker Line
Krayt mentioned at one point that he should have ended the line when he had the chance. Who do you think he means? Perhaps Anakin, when they were together on New Holstice? I should have known it was Hett, considerring the lower facial tattoos under Krayt's armor, and since Hett was from Tattooine, home of the krayt dragon. Micah Giett 17:11, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, notice how the two fighting-with-two-lightsabres pictures in this article are almost parallells of one another, one of Hett, the other of Krayt. The next issue with Obi-Wan on Tatooine is going to be interesting. VT-16 17:34, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * its probably more likely that he had a chance to kill young Luke. The answer should be very interesting.Stinkywookie 18:27, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone speculated that it was the Tusken who attacked Luke in ANH, thus giving us another retcon and another movie Sith Lord, essentially. :P VT-16 20:09, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Worst let down in teh comics so far, almost as bad as Cade's mom... :[ Sato Stars 20:17, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * True that. This whole A'Sharad Hett thing sucks. And I thought it was URoRRoR'R'R who attacked Luke.
 * God I hope he is not the tusken who attacked Luke. That wouldn't be much of Legacy for Obi Wan.  He chased them away with a Krayt call and then all of a sudden Hett goes all Sith?  That would suck.Stinkywookie 20:22, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm hoping for several flashbacks now, showing different eras where Hett gradually undergoes changes that alters his opinion on the way to save the galaxy, hopefully culminating in something concerning the YV, since the Krayt persona was "born" in 30 ABY. VT-16 21:10, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Not true. The new Sith Order was created in 30 ABY, not the Krayt persona. For all we know, Darth Krayt was "born" in 19 BBY. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:43, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe Hett killed Luke some time during og after the Confederation-Galactic Alliance War. Then he might had a chance to kill Ben, but didn't. That could be a way to end the Skywalker line. Barkish
 * Besides, even had he killed Luke on Tatooine, there's still Leia to consider. The Skywalker line wouldn't have been ended.  Technically the NAME would have been ended, but not the bloodline.  I'm guessing he's referring to Anakin.Duke Starhopper 12:54, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That seems most likely at this time. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 13:45, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Theory: After Order 66, Hett escapes to Tatooine to return to live with his Tusken brethren. At some point, he finds out that Anakin is Darth Vader, and, believing Anakin/Vader to be the soul reason why the Empire is still in existance, goes, in a rage, to the Lars Moisture Farm to kill Luke.  Following a mythological concept (which SW is famous for) of a son having to pay for the sins of the father.  Obi-Wan senses something is wrong, and also goes to the Homstead.  Hett is about to kill Luke, when he sees Obi-Wan, and decides to attack him, as he views that Kenobi's poor tutelage of Anakin allowes him to fall to the Dark Side.  Simply put, Hett is defeated, and because of his dark actions, is tainted with the Dark Side.  During the Yuuzhan Vong war, Hett is captured by the Yuuzhan Vong, and, in a similar way to Jacen Solo, is given Yuuzhan Vong armor and trained in the Dark Side by Vergere.  This would be before Jacen's experience with the Vong, of course.  This explains Obi-Wan's legacy, which is something commonly used to promote #16.Darth Hyd 16:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Sorry about that
I was planning to transfer and redirect the whole page to A'Sharad Hett but someone locked that page before I can do that. Sorry about the mess.

Oh and him being Krayt does not suprise me, it's was so predicatable. Hell, Eiichiro Oda would do better then that

Joekido 20:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "A'Sharad Hett" should be redirected here, not vice-versa. Krayt was Hett's most recent identity; therefore, "Darth Krayt" will be the name of the article following the merge of both articles. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:57, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, someone with the ability to do so shoudl redirect "A'Sharad Hett" to Darth Krayt, since the pages have been merged.  Victor  ( talk ) 00:21, 9 August 2007 (UTC) Oh yeah. Forgot about spoiling the surprise :P  Victor  ( talk ) 00:40, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Spoiler policy means we hold off merging them, so that people deliberately avoiding this page because of spoilers won't accidently be spoiled by going to Hett's page. QuentinGeorge 00:32, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
 * What's the point? About half of Krayt's page has to do with things he did while a Jedi.  However, A'Sharad Hett's page has nothing to do with Krayt.  The end of his history section still has him fighting his own secret war against the Empire.

Outlander
A'Sharad Doesn't appear until the fouth issue of outlander but when ever i change it to the correct issues it gets reverted just wondering why  Dark Lord Xander  ( Embrace The Dark Side! ) 09:53, 10 August 2007 (UTC)

Hett or Krayt?
Krayt's name was arguably more well known, but wookieepedia tends to use real names instead of titles when provided, ex: Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader, Plapatine/Darth Sidious, Dooku/Darth Tyranus. So after the spoiler is taken away and the articles are merged, who's name will be featured: Hett's of Krayts'? Xepeyon 04:03, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, this is only if they still went by their civilian name. For example, Palpatine and Dooku went by Palpatine and Dooku despite being Darths. But Dessel abandoned his civilian name altogether after becoming Darth Bane, and this is why he is known as such. Same for Darth Malak. Krayt officially goes by Krayt, so this is how this article should be named, I think. - Sikon 06:28, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Im With Sikon Although i like A'Sharad, Krayt is what he prefers to be called and goes so far to wear armour to hide his appearance if in the future he is redeemed and changes his name back to Hett then and only then should it be changed but until that happens it should remain Darth Krayt  Dark Lord Xander  ( Embrace The Dark Side! )[[Image:MandalorianSymbol.jpg|20px]] 06:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Not to mention that people looking for Darth Krayt will actually have to read the article (albeit the first line) to have the identity spoiled for them. --  Riffsyphon  1024 07:19, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it should be Krayt, as A'Sharad seems to prefer to go by Darth Krayt than A'Sharad Hett. Wookieepedia in general needs to make some changes regarding names. An'ya Kuro prefered to go by name the "Dark Woman" rather than her given name.  Her page is still An'ya Kuro.  Thrawn preferred to go by Thrawn rather than Mitth'raw'nuruodu.  There's even a quote on his page that says this.  Yet his page is Mitth'raw'nuruodu.  Does this rule only apply to Sith?  Oh wait...during his tenure as a Sith Lord, Anakin Skywalker preferred to go by Darth Vader rather than Anakin.  While taking Luke to the Second Death Star, he snapped at Luke for calling him Anakin, and even telling him that the name Anakin Skywalker has no more meaning to him.  So why is his article still Anakin Skywalker, and not Darth Vader? And don't say time was a factor, as he was Anakin Skywalker for 22 years, and Darth Vader for 25 years!Darth Hyd 16:00, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm sticking towards Hett. Personally, I think character articles should go by their real names...Unit 8311 16:05, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Policy says to go with the latest name, and that would be Darth Krayt. This isn't a vote, you know. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:22, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I know that. I'm just saying what I think, that's all. Unit 8311 17:57, 4 September 2007 (UTC)