Wookieepedia:Meetings/Log/2006 April 16

Apr 16 09:01:06 -->	You are now talking on #wookieepedia Apr 16 09:01:11 	hey Sikon Apr 16 09:01:14 	a minute late :P Apr 16 09:01:19 	not that it matters much Apr 16 09:01:22 	see? Apr 16 09:01:31 	told ya we should wait 5 more minds Apr 16 09:01:40 	mins* Apr 16 09:01:52 	I think we should wait longer Apr 16 09:02:14 	9:10? Apr 16 09:03:00 <--	Jeedai123 has quit (Remote closed the connection) Apr 16 09:04:30 	hmm Apr 16 09:04:35 	this is just so sad :( Apr 16 09:05:08 	if we discount Pat, there are 6 of all us; and we all are the IRC Usual Suspects Apr 16 09:05:19 	Do you think more people will show up if you stomp your foot or shake your fist? Apr 16 09:05:36 *	RMF| thinks Jaymach should try it Apr 16 09:05:43 *	Jaymach stomps his foot while shaking his fist in the air for more people to come in the chat room Apr 16 09:06:39 	bah Apr 16 09:06:47 	they disobey the foot?! Apr 16 09:06:58 -->	Jeedai123 (n=489b06b6@box6.tpa.wikia-inc.com) has joined #wookieepedia Apr 16 09:07:11 	How dare they. Apr 16 09:07:43 	Who is pat, anyway? Apr 16 09:07:53 <Jeedai123>	dunno Apr 16 09:08:07 <Jaymach>	some guy Apr 16 09:08:10 <Jaymach>	came in and talked a little Apr 16 09:08:12 <Jaymach>	then went silent Apr 16 09:08:41 <RMF|>	he said something about supershadow Apr 16 09:08:47 <RMF|>	that's all I've heard Apr 16 09:09:00 <Jeedai123>	was it good? Apr 16 09:09:03 <Jaymach>	think that was about it Apr 16 09:09:05 <Jaymach>	not really Apr 16 09:09:13 <Jeedai123>	if it was something good about supershadow, then kick him Apr 16 09:09:59 <RMF|>	no, it wasn't good Apr 16 09:10:05 <Jaymach>	1) it was against....2) we can't kick :( Apr 16 09:10:11 <Jaymach>	only WhiteBoy and Angela have the power to kick Apr 16 09:10:38 <Jeedai123>	o Apr 16 09:11:00 <Jeedai123>	well its 10:10 Apr 16 09:11:06 <Jeedai123>	lets get started Apr 16 09:11:17 <Jaymach>	:( Apr 16 09:11:18 *	RMF| shrugs Apr 16 09:11:24 <Jaymach>	we'll probably have to abandon the meeting Apr 16 09:11:40 <RMF|>	3 admins out of 14 Apr 16 09:11:45 <Jeedai123>	... Apr 16 09:11:54 <Jeedai123>	holy Force Apr 16 09:11:56 <RMF|>	and 4 reg. users Apr 16 09:12:02 <RMF|>	not exactly great turnout Apr 16 09:12:21 <Jaymach>	even the 1st meeting as better Apr 16 09:12:28 <Jaymach>	*was Apr 16 09:12:43 <Jeedai123>	whens the next? Apr 16 09:12:51 <Jaymach>	unknown Apr 16 09:12:53 <RMF|>	It might be because we chose Easter Apr 16 09:13:01 <Jaymach>	true Apr 16 09:13:02 <RMF|>	but still... Apr 16 09:13:09 <Jaymach>	it's just sad :( Apr 16 09:13:17 <RMF|>	20% admin turnout is just that Apr 16 09:13:34 <Jeedai123>	=[ Apr 16 09:13:36 <Jaymach>	and it's only really because we're always in here Apr 16 09:13:57 <RMF|>	I know. Apr 16 09:14:20 <RMF|>	What do you guys think? Apr 16 09:14:29 <RMF|>	Cancel? Plow ahead? Apr 16 09:14:38 <Jaymach>	there's really no point with this turnout Apr 16 09:15:07 <Jeedai123>	we should schedule another Apr 16 09:15:12 <Darth_Culator>	No! There are three admins! That's enough to take sweeping unilateral actions! Apr 16 09:15:18 <Jaymach>	lol Apr 16 09:15:22 <Darth_Culator>	Let's make up all kinds of crazy new rules! Apr 16 09:15:24 <Jeedai123>	with, like, 10 admins and a few reg. users Apr 16 09:15:33 <RMF|>	? Apr 16 09:15:42 <StarNeptune>	That will never happen Apr 16 09:16:15 <Jaymach>	I honestly can't think of a single insane rule to make Apr 16 09:16:16 <RMF|>	Sikon and Breathes seem to be pretty quiet, as well Apr 16 09:16:30 <StarNeptune>	Sikon's always quiet Apr 16 09:16:38 <Jaymach>	that's true Apr 16 09:16:40 <RMF|>	maybe some sort of rule about being de-sysopped if you miss enough meetings :P Apr 16 09:16:59 <Jeedai123>	:P Apr 16 09:17:00 <Jaymach>	that seems a good one Apr 16 09:17:07 <Jaymach>	or if you play online games too much Apr 16 09:17:48 <RMF|>	yeah... Apr 16 09:18:42 -->	DarthMaul431 (n=3feb4e14@box6.tpa.wikia-inc.com) has joined #wookieepedia Apr 16 09:18:46 <Jaymach>	hey Apr 16 09:19:01 <RMF|>	did you see anybody else on your way in? :P Apr 16 09:19:03 <Jaymach>	unfortunately, if you're here for the meeting, it seems to be cancelled Apr 16 09:19:21 <DarthMaul431>	Ah bummer and I came close to the beginning too Apr 16 09:19:37 <Jaymach>	yeah there's just not enough of a turnout :( Apr 16 09:19:48 <Jaymach>	and a lot of people who said they'd come just plain haven't Apr 16 09:20:13 <Sikon>	well Apr 16 09:20:51 <Sikon>	sorry for being "quiet" Apr 16 09:20:55 <Darth_Culator>	Dark Spork, Ozzel, LtNOWIS, and Kuralyov are all fired. Apr 16 09:20:58 <DarthMaul431>	The only explanation i can think of is it being a holiday weekend Apr 16 09:20:59 <Jaymach>	s'okay :P Apr 16 09:21:12 <RMF|>	at least you're here Sikon :P Apr 16 09:21:13 <Jaymach>	is it possible that they think it's tomorrow? Apr 16 09:21:20 <Sikon>	maybe they got the time wrong? Apr 16 09:21:41 <DarthMaul431>	Possibly. I remember someone saying they weren't going to make it because it was Easter Apr 16 09:21:48 <RMF|>	yeah, but what about our other 7 admins Apr 16 09:22:25 -->	LtNOWIS (n=LtNOWIS@pool-71-252-94-57.washdc.east.verizon.net) has joined #Wookieepedia Apr 16 09:22:28 <Jaymach>	hey :P Apr 16 09:22:35 <RMF|>	there he is :P Apr 16 09:22:57 <Jaymach>	still a poor turnout though :( Apr 16 09:23:02 <LtNOWIS>	I thought this was tommorrow, what with the Universal time and all Apr 16 09:23:09 <Jeedai123>	yeah Apr 16 09:23:12 <DarthMaul431>	Well a new improvement to the Meetings page could be adding a time conversion chart right on that page so people in different time zones might not be confused about the correct date Apr 16 09:23:24 <Jaymach>	yeah I think we should do that Apr 16 09:23:28 <RMF|>	I agree. Apr 16 09:23:31 <Jeedai123>	good idea Apr 16 09:23:34 <DarthMaul431>	i bet that is one of the main problems with this Apr 16 09:23:54 <Sikon>	for all timezones? Apr 16 09:24:08 <Jaymach>	all would be good :) Apr 16 09:24:11 <RMF|>	not all; just most Apr 16 09:24:13 <Jeedai123>	yeah Apr 16 09:24:15 <LtNOWIS>	We could just find an external link and link to it. Apr 16 09:24:21 <Darth_Culator>	All. Even the weird fractional ones. Apr 16 09:24:30 <Jaymach>	when was the last time you clicked an external link? Apr 16 09:24:39 <RMF|>	lol Apr 16 09:24:55 <LtNOWIS>	Well, if it was clearly labelled. Apr 16 09:24:57 <Jeedai123>	3 mins ago Apr 16 09:25:10 <LtNOWIS>	Google brings up this http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/zones.html Apr 16 09:25:28 <Sikon>	I added a notice to the meetings page, saying the meeting is running Apr 16 09:25:31 <RMF|>	we could find something niftier Apr 16 09:25:33 <Jaymach>	easier to just list them, tbh :P Apr 16 09:25:33 <LtNOWIS>	This one is nice too http://www.onlineconversion.com/timezone.htm Apr 16 09:25:45 <RMF|>	that's better Apr 16 09:25:56 <Jeedai123>	yeah Apr 16 09:26:39 <LtNOWIS>	Wait, we started 26 minutes ago, right? Apr 16 09:26:43 <StarNeptune>	no Apr 16 09:26:44 <Jaymach>	we were meant to Apr 16 09:26:47 <Jaymach>	it kinda...failed though Apr 16 09:26:49 <StarNeptune>	We haven't yet Apr 16 09:26:55 <Darth_Culator>	Nobody bid anybody dark greetings yet. Apr 16 09:27:02 <Jaymach>	exactly Apr 16 09:27:06 <StarNeptune>	I BID YOU ALL DARK GREETINGS Apr 16 09:27:10 <Jaymach>	damn you! Apr 16 09:27:13 <StarNeptune>	better? :P Apr 16 09:27:13 <Jaymach>	now it's started! :P Apr 16 09:27:18 <Sikon>	by the way... Apr 16 09:27:21 <DarthMaul431>	good! Apr 16 09:27:25 <RMF|>	lol Apr 16 09:27:28 <Sikon>	what about the dark theme? Apr 16 09:27:45 <Darth_Culator>	Where's the work-in-progress page? Apr 16 09:27:53 <Sikon>	which one? Apr 16 09:27:59 <Jaymach>	we have a work-in-progress page? Apr 16 09:28:01 <StarNeptune>	what work in progress page? Apr 16 09:28:07 <Darth_Culator>	For the dark theme? Isn't there one? Apr 16 09:28:12 <Jaymach>	not that I know of Apr 16 09:28:18 <Jaymach>	I was gonna hire a professional designer Apr 16 09:28:35 <Darth_Culator>	I could have sworn someone had a page up with a black background. Apr 16 09:28:45 <Jaymach>	not that I'm aware of Apr 16 09:28:47 <Sikon>	I did, but it was crappy Apr 16 09:28:59 <Sikon>	I was hoping someone would improve it Apr 16 09:29:08 <Sikon>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page?useskin=myskin Apr 16 09:29:09 <Jeedai123>	show us anyway Apr 16 09:29:32 <RMF|>	lol Apr 16 09:29:41 <Sikon>	it's customizable via MediaWiki:Myskin.css Apr 16 09:29:44 <Jaymach>	that would need a lot of work :P Apr 16 09:29:48 <StarNeptune>	yep Apr 16 09:30:00 <LtNOWIS>	Is there a way to format the google links? Apr 16 09:30:01 <Jeedai123>	yeah Apr 16 09:30:22 <Jeedai123>	i think Apr 16 09:30:49 <Sikon>	so if you do hire a professional designer... Apr 16 09:31:04 <RMF|>	Memory Alpha does; so it's possible Apr 16 09:31:27 <DarthMaul431>	maybe we could have an image background w/ stars, ships, etc. I would have mentioned the Jedi archives but its too cliche (btw it would be too similar to CUSWE) Apr 16 09:31:34 <Sikon>	I'll lok at there monobook.css Apr 16 09:31:38 <Sikon>	their Apr 16 09:31:45 <Jeedai123>	hold on Apr 16 09:32:05 <RMF|>	I don't want it to be distracting though Apr 16 09:32:12 <Jeedai123>	nvm Apr 16 09:32:20 <RMF|>	stars might not be too bad, but a ship could Apr 16 09:32:44 <Jeedai123>	i got a space background Apr 16 09:32:54 <Jaymach>	oh I have plenty of space backgrounds :P Apr 16 09:33:01 <Jaymach>	but we need to redesign absolutely everything Apr 16 09:33:16 <Jeedai123>	yeah Apr 16 09:33:18 <Jaymach>	if we're gonna do it, that is Apr 16 09:34:08 <LtNOWIS>	A while back, didn't we decide to keep the black text on white background? Apr 16 09:34:09 <RMF|>	yes, infobox coloring, VfD/RfA debate closings, etc Apr 16 09:34:43 <DarthMaul431>	Or possibly a datapad theme similar to. but it may bee too complicated http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Datapad.jpg Apr 16 09:34:48 <Jaymach>	we can keep the black on white text Apr 16 09:34:58 <Jaymach>	but we can change a lot of other stuff Apr 16 09:35:15 <Sikon>	yes, it shouldn't be distracting Apr 16 09:35:16 <Jaymach>	I'd still love to go with the HoloNetNews site look :P Apr 16 09:35:22 <Sikon>	MA, for example, is distracting Apr 16 09:35:26 <Jeedai123>	eah Apr 16 09:35:40 <Jaymach>	actually I find MA very professional :P but that's me Apr 16 09:35:43 <Jeedai123>	yeah* Apr 16 09:35:44 <RMF|>	yeah, more subdued than MA Apr 16 09:36:09 <Sikon>	I find MA's color scheme horrible... *cough* visited links *cough* Apr 16 09:36:21 <DarthMaul431>	agreed -- too dark Apr 16 09:36:26 <RMF|>	MA's is better than our current scheme, but it is a little too much Apr 16 09:36:27 <Sikon>	dark blue on dark brown... Apr 16 09:36:33 <Jeedai123>	yep Apr 16 09:36:40 <Jeedai123>	real bad Apr 16 09:36:43 <Jaymach>	it works for Star Trek Apr 16 09:36:48 <Jaymach>	it looks like a Federation Database Apr 16 09:36:54 <Sikon>	maybe Apr 16 09:36:54 <DarthMaul431>	if we had a star BG it would have to have a low opacity Apr 16 09:36:57 <Jeedai123>	that's ST Apr 16 09:37:02 <Sikon>	I haven't seen Star Trek Apr 16 09:37:06 <Jaymach>	I just feel like ours should look like an Alliance/Republic database Apr 16 09:37:16 <Jaymach>	it's the LCARS display system Apr 16 09:37:18 <Jeedai123>	yeah Apr 16 09:37:24 <Jaymach>	they modelled it after the LCARS look perfectly Apr 16 09:37:35 <Sikon>	if it was for me, I'd keep Monobook, but everyone else seems to favor a "Star Warsy" theme Apr 16 09:37:52 <Jeedai123>	sw theme definitely Apr 16 09:37:57 <Jaymach>	http://www.lcarscom.net/ Apr 16 09:38:02 <Jaymach>	the LCARS system Apr 16 09:38:39 <RMF|>	that's nifty :P Apr 16 09:38:42 <Darth_Culator>	The sounds on that page give me a headache. Apr 16 09:38:45 <Jaymach>	me too Apr 16 09:38:49 <Jaymach>	but it's Star Trek :P Apr 16 09:39:02 <Jeedai123>	it messed with my Sum 41 music Apr 16 09:39:28 <Sikon>	why does an SW theme have to be dark, anyway? Apr 16 09:39:37 <DarthMaul431>	the layout needs to stand out from the other wikis. It needs to show that we've improved after running for over a year, not looking like a wiki that could have been started last week Apr 16 09:39:47 <Jaymach>	because the only official looks we've seen of the Star Wars computer systems have been blue/black Apr 16 09:40:09 <Sikon>	uhm... Apr 16 09:40:19 <Jeedai123>	how about a color scheme like this Apr 16 09:40:19 <Sikon>	it's green/black in KOTOR II Apr 16 09:40:30 <Jaymach>	still dark :P Apr 16 09:40:30 <Jeedai123>	ooh Apr 16 09:40:46 <Jaymach>	but I'd be fine with green/black also Apr 16 09:40:49 <Jeedai123>	we should make some parts light and others dark Apr 16 09:40:53 <Jeedai123>	yeah Apr 16 09:41:13 <DarthMaul431>	agreed Apr 16 09:41:20 <RMF|>	in KOTOR 1, wasn't it blue and something? Apr 16 09:41:21 <Jaymach>	HoloNetNews I just went with because it fits the Star Wars-y look while keeping the article text black text on white Apr 16 09:41:31 <Jaymach>	http://www.holonetnews.com/56/archives/ Apr 16 09:41:38 <Jaymach>	dark all around, but clear text in the middle Apr 16 09:41:40 <DarthMaul431>	true holonet news looked really good Apr 16 09:42:04 <Jeedai123>	yep Apr 16 09:42:19 <RMF|>	http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/starwarsknightsoftor/screenindex.html Apr 16 09:42:33 <RMF|>	underneath the first image Apr 16 09:42:51 <Jeedai123>	cool Apr 16 09:43:14 <Jaymach>	I rather like that Apr 16 09:43:21 <Jaymach>	but others may say it's too dark Apr 16 09:43:41 <Jaymach>	if we got a designer to do it, he could always make multiple skins Apr 16 09:43:49 <Jaymach>	we'd just have to choose which one was the default Apr 16 09:44:03 <RMF|>	I believe MonoBook is the default Apr 16 09:44:07 <Sikon>	by the way, HNN is very graphics-heavy Apr 16 09:44:12 <RMF|>	(of course, we could change monobook) Apr 16 09:44:20 <LtNOWIS>	On some sites, you can choose different color schemes when you log in. Apr 16 09:44:28 <Jeedai123>	we could do a gray background and light green words Apr 16 09:44:31 <Sikon>	we shouldn't change monobook, we should make a new skin Apr 16 09:44:50 <Sikon>	because at least some people, including me, would prefer to stay with it Apr 16 09:45:12 <DarthMaul431>	just tossing this out there and may be a little complicated (not to mention a little annoying after a while) but what if we had constant audio running throughout the site that sounds like a running computer (similar to the noise you hear on KOTOR when a level is loading) Apr 16 09:45:17 <RMF|>	We'd have to decide if we wanted the new skin to become default Apr 16 09:45:18 <Jaymach>	we can always leave MonoBook Apr 16 09:45:26 <Jaymach>	I just think we should have a different one as default Apr 16 09:45:30 <RMF|>	As do I Apr 16 09:45:40 <Jeedai123>	same here Apr 16 09:45:40 <RMF|>	(well, I guess it depends how it turns out :P) Apr 16 09:45:56 <Jaymach>	noises though? hell no :P Apr 16 09:45:57 <RMF|>	and the audio would get annoying after a while Apr 16 09:46:03 <RMF|>	(2 minutes) Apr 16 09:46:11 <LtNOWIS>	Yeah, it'd be like being on a LucasArts Flash website Apr 16 09:46:16 *	RMF| groans. Apr 16 09:46:19 <Jeedai123>	ahh Apr 16 09:46:29 <DarthMaul431>	i figured it would be annoying. just tossing the idea around Apr 16 09:46:40 <Jeedai123>	that messed with my System of a Down and my Net connection Apr 16 09:47:20 <DarthMaul431>	ah crap i gotta go Apr 16 09:47:31 <Jeedai123>	cya Apr 16 09:47:41 <RMF|>	bye Apr 16 09:47:44 <DarthMaul431>	till the next meeting Apr 16 09:48:03 <--	DarthMaul431 has quit (Remote closed the connection) Apr 16 09:48:21 <Jeedai123>	anyway Apr 16 09:48:50 <Jeedai123>	i like dark gray background and light blue or green as words and outlines Apr 16 09:49:06 <Jeedai123>	but its still a bit 2 dark Apr 16 09:50:28 <Jeedai123>	watcha think Apr 16 09:51:05 <Jaymach>	I think... Apr 16 09:51:11 <Jaymach>	we need more people in to decide :( Apr 16 09:51:13 <Sikon>	perfect... minus one Apr 16 09:51:25 <Sikon>	Consensus track? Apr 16 09:52:04 <Jaymach>	for a Consensus Track, we'd really need examples Apr 16 09:52:06 <Jeedai123>	yep Apr 16 09:52:11 <Sikon>	well Apr 16 09:52:15 <RMF|>	I suppose, the problem is that we can actually get things done in here, and CT discussions really kinda go nowhere Apr 16 09:52:16 <Jeedai123>	hmm Apr 16 09:52:18 <Jaymach>	to get examples, we'd need a meeting to decide if we'd want to do it or not Apr 16 09:52:29 <Jaymach>	if we decide we deffinately want it, I'll hire a designer to get to work Apr 16 09:52:39 <Jaymach>	then put their examples on the consensus track Apr 16 09:52:59 <Sikon>	we can first have a CT discussion to decide whether we want it or not Apr 16 09:53:12 <LtNOWIS>	sounds good Apr 16 09:53:16 <Sikon>	although... probably most people will want it Apr 16 09:53:21 <Jeedai123>	yep Apr 16 09:53:28 <Jeedai123>	when should it be held? Apr 16 09:53:33 <Sikon>	what? Apr 16 09:53:44 <RMF|>	CTs aren't held per se :P Apr 16 09:53:58 <Sikon>	yes... they just run and run and run... Apr 16 09:54:05 <RMF|>	many remain open far longer than they were intended (*cough* Naming conventions CT *cough*) Apr 16 09:54:21 <Sikon>	I think we can close the naming conventions one Apr 16 09:54:29 <RMF|>	I've been saying that for weeks Apr 16 09:54:37 <Sikon>	most of it, at least] Apr 16 09:54:54 <Sikon>	but what about the main page CT? Apr 16 09:54:57 <RMF|>	most? Apr 16 09:55:08 <StarNeptune>	We're never gonna have a consensus on that Apr 16 09:55:13 <Sikon>	:( Apr 16 09:55:22 <RMF|>	But there is a consensus that the current design needs to go Apr 16 09:55:26 <Jeedai123>	 =[ Apr 16 09:55:34 <Jaymach>	bah all the website designers have really advanced flash sites in their portfolio lol Apr 16 09:55:37 <Jeedai123>	mmhmm Apr 16 09:55:42 <Jaymach>	I want someone who knows how to do a basic good looking one Apr 16 09:55:42 <Sikon>	NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Apr 16 09:55:46 <RMF|>	Let's put up Sky for now, and rotate to water (ugh) next week :P Apr 16 09:55:50 <Sikon>	NOT FLASH! Apr 16 09:55:55 <Jaymach>	I know :P Apr 16 09:56:00 <Darth_Culator>	No. No Flash, ever. Apr 16 09:56:03 <Jaymach>	we can't have Flash with a Wiki Apr 16 09:56:09 <RMF|>	Flash is a drag. Apr 16 09:56:16 <Jaymach>	which is why I'm looking for a designer who has a simple site in their portfolio :P Apr 16 09:56:17 <Sikon>	by the way... Apr 16 09:56:21 <Darth_Culator>	The only good thing ever done with Flash is Strong Bad. That's the only reason I tolerate Flash's existence. Apr 16 09:56:21 <Jaymach>	so I know they can make good sites without it Apr 16 09:56:24 <Sikon>	we can't even have custom HTMK Apr 16 09:56:26 <Sikon>	HTML Apr 16 09:56:32 <RMF|>	If you've ever been on dial-up, you will hate Flash with a passion Apr 16 09:56:33 <Sikon>	because we can only play with CSS Apr 16 09:56:39 <Jeedai123>	lol HTMK Apr 16 09:57:22 <LtNOWIS>	The sucky thing about flash is that you can't save images. Apr 16 09:57:24 <Jeedai123>	dial-up=AHHHHHhhhhHHHH Apr 16 09:57:57 <LtNOWIS>	So if I want to get a pic from a LucasArts website, I need to take a screenshot. Apr 16 09:57:59 <RMF|>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flashterbation Apr 16 09:58:04 <Sikon>	lol Apr 16 09:58:32 <Sikon>	StarNeptune, you ruined main page consensus with water! :)) Apr 16 09:58:52 <StarNeptune>	Sorry :( Apr 16 09:58:54 <RMF|>	Like I said, we should just alternate :P Apr 16 09:58:54 <Jeedai123>	i actually like water Apr 16 09:59:08 <RMF|>	I dislike Water, but I like almost anything more than our current design Apr 16 09:59:09 <Sikon>	no need to apologize :) Apr 16 09:59:41 <StarNeptune>	It's almost evenly split between Sky and Water Apr 16 09:59:55 <Sikon>	yep Apr 16 09:59:57 <RMF|>	(*cough* alternate *cough*) :P Apr 16 10:00:08 <Sikon>	alternate? Apr 16 10:00:10 <Jaymach>	bah I like Earth :P Apr 16 10:00:16 <Jeedai123>	*stab* Apr 16 10:00:21 <Sikon>	and previously it was almost evenly split between Sky and Earth... Apr 16 10:00:21 <RMF|>	Sky one week, Water the next Apr 16 10:00:25 <Sikon>	hmm Apr 16 10:00:40 <RMF|>	our current Main Page just makes me cringe Apr 16 10:00:52 <Jeedai123>	yeah Apr 16 10:01:20 <Sikon>	and the poll will continue running until there's a conclusive winner? Apr 16 10:01:25 <Jeedai123>	do we have a quote of the week? Apr 16 10:01:28 <RMF|>	yeah Apr 16 10:01:34 <Jeedai123>	if not, we shiuld Apr 16 10:01:35 <RMF|>	(to Sikon) Apr 16 10:01:50 <Sikon>	we had on the proposed main pages, but I removed that section Apr 16 10:02:15 <RMF|>	it's a little bit of a hassle to alternate, but it's a decent go-between until we get this sorted out Apr 16 10:02:29 <Jeedai123>	yeah Apr 16 10:02:47 <Jeedai123>	we should stick with alternate for now Apr 16 10:02:54 <Jeedai123>	anything but our current main Apr 16 10:03:10 <Sikon>	which theme shall we start with? Apr 16 10:03:28 <Jeedai123>	whichever has the most votes Apr 16 10:03:36 <Sikon>	sky has more... barely Apr 16 10:03:48 <Jaymach>	poor Earth :( Apr 16 10:03:50 <RMF|>	Then Sky it is. Apr 16 10:05:09 <Jeedai123>	yes! Apr 16 10:08:27 <Sikon>	done Apr 16 10:08:42 <Sikon>	purge the cache if it appers uncolored Apr 16 10:09:13 <Jeedai123>	nice Apr 16 10:09:19 <Jaymach>	it looks better Apr 16 10:09:47 <Jeedai123>	wait Apr 16 10:09:48 <RMF|>	the Official Friends is wrong Apr 16 10:10:03 <Jaymach>	yeah Apr 16 10:10:06 <Jaymach>	we have 2 others Apr 16 10:10:08 <Jeedai123>	where is the quote? Apr 16 10:10:48 <Sikon>	nowhere for now Apr 16 10:10:55 <Sikon>	I'll uncomment that when needed Apr 16 10:11:00 <Jeedai123>	aww Apr 16 10:11:01 <Jeedai123>	snap Apr 16 10:11:09 <LtNOWIS>	I'm not sure a weekly quote would be a good thing. Apr 16 10:11:38 <Sikon>	why? Apr 16 10:11:39 <Jaymach>	I liked it for an announcement thing Apr 16 10:11:40 <Jeedai123>	the first should be: bleep buzzzzz beep - r2-d2 Apr 16 10:11:44 <Jaymach>	we coulda announced meetings Apr 16 10:11:44 <Sikon>	lol Apr 16 10:11:56 <RMF|>	bad idea Apr 16 10:12:06 <LtNOWIS>	I dunno, it seems like we'd run out of good material Apr 16 10:12:07 <RMF|>	we'd get a lot of riff-raff Apr 16 10:12:19 <LtNOWIS>	Although I guess it's worth trying Apr 16 10:12:29 <Jaymach>	at least people would know about them :P Apr 16 10:12:47 <Jaymach>	heck I was tempted to put up one of those site-wide notices Apr 16 10:12:57 <Jaymach>	like we have before announcing the move from .wikicities to .wikia Apr 16 10:12:59 -->	SillyDan (n=8e97aa23@84.40.25.237) has joined #wookieepedia Apr 16 10:13:04 <RMF|>	hey :P Apr 16 10:13:08 <Sikon>	yay! Apr 16 10:13:09 <Jaymach>	hey SD :P Apr 16 10:13:14 <SillyDan>	heelo all Apr 16 10:13:25 <SillyDan>	don't mind me Apr 16 10:13:46 <Jaymach>	well there's not many people in here :P Apr 16 10:13:52 <Jaymach>	so it's hard not to notice you :) Apr 16 10:13:55 <RMF|>	the turnout's a little low; new people are always welcomed like that :P Apr 16 10:14:05 <Sikon>	I stopped using sitenotices because they screwed up the main page Apr 16 10:14:07 <Jeedai123>	lol Apr 16 10:14:10 <LtNOWIS>	excellent Apr 16 10:14:12 <Sikon>	but now it's fixed Apr 16 10:14:24 <Jaymach>	so could we announce meetings over it next time? Apr 16 10:14:35 <Sikon>	possibly Apr 16 10:14:36 <--	SillyDan has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Apr 16 10:14:37 -->	SillyDan (n=8e97aa23@box6.tpa.wikia-inc.com) has joined #wookieepedia Apr 16 10:14:41 <Jeedai123>	yeah Apr 16 10:14:52 <Jeedai123>	ooh! Apr 16 10:14:55 <RMF|>	I don't know if we want to. Apr 16 10:14:55 <SillyDan>	meeting still on? Apr 16 10:14:57 <Jaymach>	it would mean that, even if people were editing randomly, they would know Apr 16 10:14:59 <Jeedai123>	we could have an events page Apr 16 10:15:03 <Sikon>	although those with JavaScript disabled will still see the title "Main Page" over the main page Apr 16 10:15:06 <Jaymach>	we have an events page Apr 16 10:15:07 <RMF|>	Yeah, we don't want people with 3 contribs Apr 16 10:15:20 <Jeedai123>	... Apr 16 10:15:30 <RMF|>	I'd rather we got some of the other admins in here Apr 16 10:15:31 <Jaymach>	it's even linked to on the sidebar Apr 16 10:15:34 <Jaymach>	shows how useful it is Apr 16 10:15:41 <Sikon>	what's linked? Apr 16 10:15:43 <Sikon>	IRC? Apr 16 10:15:49 <Jaymach>	the Wookieenews page Apr 16 10:15:52 <Sikon>	ah Apr 16 10:16:06 <Jeedai123>	o Apr 16 10:16:14 <Jeedai123>	hehehehe Apr 16 10:16:18 <Sikon>	by the way, did MA link their IRC page on the sidebar before or after us? Apr 16 10:16:26 <Jaymach>	no idea Apr 16 10:16:41 <Jaymach>	most people have no idea there even are meetings though Apr 16 10:17:04 <Jaymach>	so a site notice, although it may attract some people we don't want, would also attract many we would Apr 16 10:17:06 <RMF|>	It was on the Comm. Portal talk a while ago; and it's been on the Senate Hall too I beileve Apr 16 10:17:20 <Jaymach>	and if WhiteBoy can give admins op access, then we can always kick those we don't want Apr 16 10:17:35 <Jeedai123>	good idea Apr 16 10:18:45 <Jeedai123>	well i gotta go 2 bed Apr 16 10:18:54 <SillyDan>	good night Apr 16 10:19:03 <Jaymach>	'night Jeedai Apr 16 10:19:06 <LtNOWIS>	'night Apr 16 10:19:12 <--	Jeedai123 has quit (Remote closed the connection) Apr 16 10:20:33 <Sikon>	I wanted to talk about sourceless articles Apr 16 10:20:37 <Sikon>	and fanon Apr 16 10:20:38 <RMF|>	As do I. Apr 16 10:20:48 <Jaymach>	I want to talk about all the stuff we have on the agenda :( Apr 16 10:21:03 <Jaymach>	damn lazy admins Apr 16 10:21:08 <RMF|>	I think we need some sort of system in place that's faster (and easier) than VFD but more thorough than CSD Apr 16 10:21:13 <Sikon>	yes, but have too few people Apr 16 10:21:19 <Sikon>	RMF> exactly Apr 16 10:21:26 <LtNOWIS>	VfD could be faster and easier than it is Apr 16 10:21:39 <Sikon>	the main problem with VFD is... Apr 16 10:21:40 <SillyDan>	maybe a "delete in 7 days" template Apr 16 10:21:44 <Sikon>	there aren't enough votes Apr 16 10:21:49 <RMF|>	yes Apr 16 10:21:50 <Jaymach>	what I don't get...why can't people who add Sourceless tags just search CUSWE for Sources? Apr 16 10:22:01 <Sikon>	I do Apr 16 10:22:04 <Jaymach>	if they don't find it there, then add sourceless Apr 16 10:22:05 <SillyDan>	because we're lazy Apr 16 10:22:06 <RMF|>	I do too Apr 16 10:22:07 <Jaymach>	many don't though Apr 16 10:22:15 <RMF|>	I know Apr 16 10:22:18 <SillyDan>	I do about 3/4 of the time Apr 16 10:22:33 <SillyDan>	don't bother if the article looks nonsensical anyway Apr 16 10:23:10 <Jaymach>	I may attempt to work through the Sourceless cat sometime soon Apr 16 10:23:13 <Sikon>	if an article looks nonsensical, I usually delete it Apr 16 10:23:21 <LtNOWIS>	yeah, same Apr 16 10:23:32 <LtNOWIS>	or put up a tag sometimes Apr 16 10:23:44 <Sikon>	when I became an admin, I tried to make the sourceless template a "delete in 7 days" thing Apr 16 10:23:47 <RMF|>	The sourceless cat talk page has letter ranges Apr 16 10:23:58 <RMF|>	nobody is really involved though Apr 16 10:24:08 <Sikon>	by the way Apr 16 10:24:11 <LtNOWIS>	The problem is, lot's of the sourceless articles are 1-sentence articles about planets that just sit there. Apr 16 10:24:17 <Jaymach>	well I'm unemployed...and after a week I'll be off the training course too Apr 16 10:24:24 <Sikon>	planets, mmm Apr 16 10:24:24 <Jaymach>	so I can work on the Sourceless cat all the time then Apr 16 10:24:35 <Sikon>	maybe create a "Sourceless planets" category? Apr 16 10:24:36 <RMF|>	what about planets? Apr 16 10:24:41 <Jaymach>	the planets are mostly Justin's fault lol Apr 16 10:24:46 <Sikon>	we have ones for systems and stars Apr 16 10:24:48 <LtNOWIS>	yeah, true Apr 16 10:24:51 <Jaymach>	I should talk to him in AIM Apr 16 10:24:55 <SillyDan>	the planets aren't such a concern Apr 16 10:25:06 <Jaymach>	tell him unless he can source them then they'll be deleted within 2 weeks maybe? Apr 16 10:25:08 <SillyDan>	it's those system articles I worry about Apr 16 10:25:13 <RMF|>	I'd rather sort out the problem than re-categorize it though Apr 16 10:25:41 <RMF|>	yeah; the system articles are a problem Apr 16 10:25:42 <Sikon>	maybe we should rework into a conjecture tag? Apr 16 10:26:19 <SillyDan>	that makes sense to me Apr 16 10:26:27 <Sikon>	and star-src Apr 16 10:26:51 <Sikon>	for other sourceless pages, we have and Sourceless pages Apr 16 10:27:08 <SillyDan>	 should have a caption saying "Lando system?" Apr 16 10:27:12 <Sikon>	LOL Apr 16 10:27:36 <RMF|>	heh Apr 16 10:28:09 <Jaymach>	I like our humorous tags :) Apr 16 10:28:20 <Sikon>	the sourceless tag category has pages ordered by the date of their ification Apr 16 10:28:26 <Jaymach>	they lose their hit after abour 3 views, but they're still better than completely boring Apr 16 10:28:51 <SillyDan>	if they amuse newbies long enough to sucker them into sticking around and helping out Apr 16 10:28:59 <SillyDan>	they have served their purpose. 8) Apr 16 10:28:59 <Sikon>	heh Apr 16 10:29:16 <Sikon>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Spelling a new one, unused Apr 16 10:29:20 <LtNOWIS>	yeah, funny tags are great Apr 16 10:30:10 <Jaymach>	I really want a better image for the Admin template I want to create :( Apr 16 10:30:45 <Jaymach>	should probably up the size of the writing too Apr 16 10:31:45 <SillyDan>	that needs a Lando picture too Apr 16 10:32:18 <Jaymach>	Lando would work Apr 16 10:32:26 <Jaymach>	I just went with the current admin pic Apr 16 10:33:14 -->	DarkSpork (n=0c223314@box6.tpa.wikia-inc.com) has joined #wookieepedia Apr 16 10:33:20 <Sikon>	yayy!! Apr 16 10:33:31 <DarkSpork>	I thought the meeting was tomorrow... Apr 16 10:33:32 <Jaymach>	hey Spork :) Apr 16 10:33:39 *	DarkSpork sighs. Apr 16 10:33:42 <Jaymach>	yeah most people seem to have Apr 16 10:33:45 <Sikon>	apparently you're not the only one Apr 16 10:33:46 <Jaymach>	it kinda failed to launch Apr 16 10:33:48 <DarkSpork>	I'll never get used to this time zone thing. Apr 16 10:34:02 <Jaymach>	we're planning on adding a box to the Meetings page Apr 16 10:34:03 <RMF|>	Neither will we :P Apr 16 10:34:05 <Sikon>	I already suggested a possible solution Apr 16 10:34:05 <Jaymach>	to add all the time zones Apr 16 10:34:17 <DarkSpork>	I can only keep up with two. :D Apr 16 10:34:23 <Sikon>	make people have IRC clients running in the background... Apr 16 10:34:25 <DarkSpork>	Sounds good. Apr 16 10:34:44 <Sikon>	there are currently 23 people on #uncyclopedia Apr 16 10:34:47 <Jaymach>	but yeah...this meeting kinda failed Apr 16 10:35:02 <DarkSpork>	Seems like a decent crowd, though. Apr 16 10:35:03 <Sikon>	not only currently... almost all the time Apr 16 10:35:10 <DarkSpork>	Heh. Apr 16 10:35:27 <DarkSpork>	I used to be on holonet constantly, a few years ago, Apr 16 10:35:37 <Sikon>	if we raise the popularity of IRC, we won't even need scheduled meetings Apr 16 10:35:45 <SillyDan>	wait, is this meeting still on? Apr 16 10:35:48 <Jaymach>	well most of you know how much myself, Sikon, and Rmf are in here Apr 16 10:35:50 <DarkSpork>	Scheduled meetings are good, though. Apr 16 10:35:53 <Jaymach>	uh Apr 16 10:35:56 <Sikon>	Jaymach> indeed Apr 16 10:35:57 <Jaymach>	it's kind of a meeting Apr 16 10:35:58 <DarkSpork>	It really depends on the group. Apr 16 10:36:30 <Sikon>	most people present here are frequent IRC visitors anyway Apr 16 10:36:36 <DarkSpork>	CJ's never been good at the whole 'showing up randomly' thing, even when we had our own server. :P Apr 16 10:36:37 <Jaymach>	I don't think we can really class it as an official meeting Apr 16 10:36:44 <Sikon>	probably not Apr 16 10:36:47 <RMF|>	we have more people now than when we started; we can still get something done Apr 16 10:36:51 <Sikon>	but I'll post the log anyway Apr 16 10:36:58 <Jaymach>	fair enough Apr 16 10:37:25 <Sikon>	how about step-by-step instructions on configuring IRC clients? Apr 16 10:37:33 <Jaymach>	they don't even need that :P Apr 16 10:37:43 <DarkSpork>	With the client you don't really need that Apr 16 10:37:49 <Jaymach>	though I suppose we might as well add it Apr 16 10:37:49 <DarkSpork>	This is easy as hell. Apr 16 10:37:53 <Sikon>	okay Apr 16 10:38:11 <DarkSpork>	After my first meeting via this, I badgered Nick into installing one on holonet. :D Apr 16 10:38:39 <Sikon>	what about the IRC vs Jabber issue? Apr 16 10:38:48 <StarNeptune>	I prefer this Apr 16 10:38:50 <RMF|>	IRC Apr 16 10:38:52 <Darth_Culator>	No more Jabber. Apr 16 10:38:54 <Jaymach>	people seem to prefer IRC Apr 16 10:39:02 <DarkSpork>	I'm for IRC, all the way. Jabber was/is a gigantic pain in the arse. Apr 16 10:39:14 <Jaymach>	Jabber has more lag really Apr 16 10:39:23 <DarkSpork>	Plus it seems to disconnect a lot, Though that could be GAIM. Apr 16 10:39:34 <Sikon>	Gaim, not GAIM :) Apr 16 10:39:47 <Sikon>	I'm for IRC for another reason, though Apr 16 10:39:52 <DarkSpork>	Sprry. ;) Apr 16 10:39:56 <DarkSpork>	Sorry. :P Apr 16 10:40:02 <Sikon>	#wikia is just a channel away Apr 16 10:40:08 <DarkSpork>	IRC = telnet or client. Apr 16 10:40:21 <DarkSpork>	No way I could be doing Jabber right now. Apr 16 10:40:22 <Sikon>	or Wikia's web client Apr 16 10:40:31 <Sikon>	http://irc.wikia.com/starwars Apr 16 10:40:42 <RMF|>	So, it's agreed then -- IRC Apr 16 10:40:44 <Sikon>	although it's rather slow Apr 16 10:40:55 <DarkSpork>	The client? Yeah. Apr 16 10:41:00 <DarkSpork>	Better than nothing. Apr 16 10:41:16 <SillyDan>	and I tend to get randomly disconnected every so often Apr 16 10:41:25 <SillyDan>	but 's Apr 16 10:41:29 <SillyDan>	but it's OK Apr 16 10:41:33 <Sikon>	there are 6 people on #memory-alpha, not including me Apr 16 10:42:15 <RMF|>	average for #wookieepedia is about 3 Apr 16 10:42:20 -->	Sporkish (i=dunc@electricrain.com) has joined #wookieepedia Apr 16 10:42:25 <DarkSpork>	Hehe Apr 16 10:42:25 <RMF|>	and usually we're away Apr 16 10:42:30 <--	DarkSpork has quit (Remote closed the connection) Apr 16 10:42:33 <Jaymach>	hey I'm not usually away :P Apr 16 10:42:41 ---	Sporkish is now known as DarkSpork Apr 16 10:42:41 <Jaymach>	though lately I have been Apr 16 10:42:48 <RMF|>	I was about to say that :P Apr 16 10:42:51 <Jaymach>	purely because of the evil training course Apr 16 10:43:09 <Jaymach>	oh, SillyDan? Apr 16 10:43:12 <SillyDan>	at least now you're trained in evil Apr 16 10:43:12 <Darth_Culator>	You're training to be evil? Apr 16 10:43:13 <SillyDan>	yes? Apr 16 10:43:20 <Jaymach>	I got the Crumb comic Apr 16 10:43:26 <Jaymach>	nothing in it to do with him surviving Apr 16 10:43:32 <Jaymach>	it's about when Jabba finds him Apr 16 10:43:32 <SillyDan>	aha! Apr 16 10:43:42 <DarkSpork>	When does Legacy #0 come out? Apr 16 10:43:47 <StarNeptune>	next month Apr 16 10:43:48 <Jaymach>	June, I believe Apr 16 10:43:49 <SillyDan>	that's exactly what the Butler timeline said Apr 16 10:44:10 <Sikon>	uh-oh, it seems like Memory Alpha had their Chat link on the sidebar since January Apr 16 10:44:19 <Sikon>	and it also links to Project:IRC Apr 16 10:44:23 <SillyDan>	why do people latch on to minor characters and insist they survived certain death? Apr 16 10:44:25 <RMF|>	so that makes you the thief :P Apr 16 10:44:31 <Jaymach>	I have no idea Apr 16 10:44:35 <DarkSpork>	Dan: Because people are crazy, Apr 16 10:44:39 <Sikon>	SillyDan> you mean the Eeth Koth edit war? Apr 16 10:44:47 <StarNeptune>	or the Crumb thing Apr 16 10:44:47 <Jaymach>	it's like the whole Malakili getting revenge on Luke Skywalker deal Apr 16 10:44:49 <DarkSpork>	Give it enough time and they'll fade off. (See: Callista) Apr 16 10:44:51 <Jaymach>	wtf was that about? Apr 16 10:45:08 <StarNeptune>	The Eeth Koth thing was funny Apr 16 10:45:14 <SillyDan>	hey, before we even had a channel, I popped by MemAlpha's for ideas for "What Wookieepedia is not" Apr 16 10:45:41 <DarkSpork>	Oh, someone asked me about fanfic for the 'Wookieepedai is not thing.. Apr 16 10:45:48 <Sikon>	fanfic? Apr 16 10:45:50 <Jaymach>	and we've stolen rather a lot from Uncyclopedia :P Apr 16 10:46:04 <DarkSpork>	It was Dan Apr 16 10:46:06 <SillyDan>	yes, that was me Apr 16 10:46:08 <Sikon>	yes... although it's mostly I who steals from Uncyclopedia Apr 16 10:46:18 <DarkSpork>	Better sites for fanfic. Apr 16 10:46:22 <RMF|>	let's not forget Wikipedia -- a lot of our infrastructure is at least based on Wikipedia Apr 16 10:46:37 <Sikon>	Senate Hall, sourceless tagged, auto-hiding... Apr 16 10:46:45 <Sikon>	title template Apr 16 10:46:51 <SillyDan>	several articles Apr 16 10:47:02 <SillyDan>	our original user base Apr 16 10:47:17 <Sikon>	yes, I believe we started by copying most of our structure from Wikipedia Apr 16 10:47:27 *	Jaymach can't remember why he joined but knows it has something to do with JustinGann Apr 16 10:47:39 <SillyDan>	Sikon> was actually talking about Salacious Crumb Apr 16 10:47:46 *	DarkSpork joined because... she forgets Apr 16 10:47:51 <StarNeptune>	I joined because I wrote the Raynar article for Wikipedia, and saw that someone copied it here Apr 16 10:48:07 <StarNeptune>	then I was like "A Star Wars Wiki...RULE!" Apr 16 10:48:14 <DarkSpork>	Oh, I joined to add CJ to list of fan sites. :P Apr 16 10:48:16 <SillyDan>	I joined because I was looking for a Doctor Who wiki and got lost Apr 16 10:48:17 <DarkSpork>	How crass. Apr 16 10:48:20 <Jaymach>	I was put off of the idea of a Wiki at first Apr 16 10:48:37 <DarkSpork>	Then fanfic caught my interested Apr 16 10:48:48 <SillyDan>	then I just had to blather on about Xi'Dec Apr 16 10:48:48 <DarkSpork>	Does anyone thing we need a 'fandom' catagory? Apr 16 10:48:56 <SillyDan>	fanfic? Apr 16 10:49:07 <StarNeptune>	what would go in it? Apr 16 10:49:09 <SillyDan>	the "Fandalorian" and "Saxtonite" articles? Apr 16 10:49:12 <StarNeptune>	Fan theories? Apr 16 10:49:21 <DarkSpork>	Because there's 'Star Wars culture' which I think sounds like more mainstream stuff - like the SW Kid - and fandom for more insular stuff, like websites. Apr 16 10:49:43 <DarkSpork>	And fanfic. Fanfic is defintly fandom. Apr 16 10:50:00 <LtNOWIS>	would Star wars Technical Commentaries go on it than? Apr 16 10:50:06 <DarkSpork>	Yes, Apr 16 10:50:14 <StarNeptune>	Endor Holocaust thing too? Apr 16 10:50:22 <DarkSpork>	Fandalorians and Saxtonites too... Apr 16 10:50:28 <DarkSpork>	Endor holocaust? Apr 16 10:50:30 <Jaymach>	the Endor Holocaust is bull >.> Apr 16 10:50:34 <Jaymach>	for several reasons Apr 16 10:50:45 <StarNeptune>	People still seem to deabte it, though Apr 16 10:50:47 <LtNOWIS>	I think they finally deleted it at Wikipedia Apr 16 10:50:49 <SillyDan>	yes, as jSarek pointed out, the weather on Endor is controlled via magic Apr 16 10:50:57 <Jaymach>	yup, the season sceptre :) Apr 16 10:51:06 <Jaymach>	gotta love the Ewoks cartoons Apr 16 10:51:22 <LtNOWIS>	hahahaha Apr 16 10:51:42 <DarkSpork>	Hrm... Apr 16 10:51:56 <Sikon>	the Ewoks cartons are a disgrace to canon Apr 16 10:52:01 <Jaymach>	they are not :P Apr 16 10:52:03 <Jaymach>	I love them lol Apr 16 10:52:07 <Sikon>	like Dark Empire Apr 16 10:52:15 <Jaymach>	Dark Empire I'll agree with you on though Apr 16 10:52:27 <DarkSpork>	Dark Empire: Infinities came too late... Apr 16 10:52:38 <DarkSpork>	Good idea. HORIBBLE execution... Apr 16 10:52:42 <SillyDan>	when we're editing the wiki, we must pretend we love all sources equally Apr 16 10:52:53 <LtNOWIS>	the thing is, some people actually like Dark Empire Apr 16 10:52:55 <DarkSpork>	I stick to fandom/culture. Apr 16 10:52:59 <DarkSpork>	And pictures. Apr 16 10:53:03 <SillyDan>	when we're offline, I think the New Jedi Order was a terrible idea. 8) Apr 16 10:53:04 <LtNOWIS>	Lucas and Abel Pena for one. Apr 16 10:53:09 <Jaymach>	lol Apr 16 10:53:14 <DarkSpork>	And Tales. There's no article for 'The Emperor's Court'!!! Apr 16 10:53:25 <Jaymach>	ah that was a great comic Apr 16 10:53:25 <DarkSpork>	Best Tales story ever, and it's a redlink! Apr 16 10:53:33 <Sikon>	the New Jedi Order? Apr 16 10:53:47 <SillyDan>	NJO blew up too many perfectly good planets Apr 16 10:53:48 <StarNeptune>	It was flawed in its execution Apr 16 10:53:49 <Sikon>	like, reviving the Jedi Order, or the book series? Apr 16 10:53:52 <DarkSpork>	That's one thing I do plan to do. Give all the wacky Tales stuff love. Apr 16 10:54:08 <Sikon>	DarkSpork> good Apr 16 10:54:08 <DarkSpork>	NJO needed to kill off more superflous characters... Apr 16 10:54:25 <DarkSpork>	I need to drag out my comics. Or just get all the trades. Apr 16 10:54:27 <Sikon>	you think Chewbacca and Anakin Solo weren't enough? Apr 16 10:54:30 <Jaymach>	so far all I've really done is the ambig articles and Galaxies stuff Apr 16 10:54:38 <Jaymach>	the stuff others won't touch with a barge pole Apr 16 10:54:46 <Sikon>	and remember they died instead of Luke and Jacen respectively Apr 16 10:54:48 <DarkSpork>	Sikon: I'm the only person who though SbS needed more blood. :D Apr 16 10:55:03 <Jaymach>	I thought killing off Chewbacca was poor Apr 16 10:55:13 <DarkSpork>	Jacen and Jaina can live. Everyone else on the strike team? Wipe 'em out. Apr 16 10:55:35 <Jaymach>	I actually wanted Anakin to get with Tahiri :( that saddened me...but his death was done well Apr 16 10:55:35 <DarkSpork>	Chewie was the obvious choice. Apr 16 10:55:44 <StarNeptune>	I like how characters were created in that novel just to die Apr 16 10:55:54 <LtNOWIS>	Heh, I've read like no post-ROTJ fiction Apr 16 10:55:54 <Sikon>	obvious? why? Apr 16 10:55:55 <SillyDan>	Chewie doesn't work so well in a novel, though Apr 16 10:56:03 <SillyDan>	no dialogue Apr 16 10:56:03 <Sikon>	LtNOWIS> neither did I... Apr 16 10:56:07 <DarkSpork>	The EU never really did much with him. They could have done so much more with Han after he died than not. Apr 16 10:56:17 <DarkSpork>	Sadly it all turened into a great smudge of boring. Apr 16 10:56:47 <DarkSpork>	NJO: A five year mission to bore me silly. :D Apr 16 10:56:56 <Jaymach>	I liked some parts of the NJO Apr 16 10:56:58 <SillyDan>	might've worked as a trilogy Apr 16 10:57:02 <Jaymach>	but others were just....eh Apr 16 10:57:08 <SillyDan>	might've read it if it were a trilogy Apr 16 10:57:14 <StarNeptune>	It was too drawn out Apr 16 10:57:18 <SillyDan>	I'm not reading eleventeen books! Apr 16 10:57:25 <Jaymach>	lol Apr 16 10:57:26 <DarkSpork>	It was too much. At least when Bantam had crap you had to live with it for three books max. Apr 16 10:57:32 <Jaymach>	I read them all purely because my brain made me Apr 16 10:57:40 <Sikon>	and I'm hating the Legacy stuff before it even comes out Apr 16 10:57:56 <DarkSpork>	I read them all. But one. However, I skimmed like crazy. Anything YJK, anything Vong. Apr 16 10:58:01 <Jaymach>	I don't like the whole Wedge/Sal-Solo Corellia force already Apr 16 10:58:07 <DarkSpork>	With that method, I can do the whole NJO in a day. Apr 16 10:58:32 <Jaymach>	as soon as a book comes out, I read it Apr 16 10:58:43 <DarkSpork>	I'm willing to give Legacy a chance. First time they've started a series with a good author since Zahn. Apr 16 10:58:44 <Jaymach>	it's probably some kinda OCD thing Apr 16 10:58:46 <Jaymach>	but hey Apr 16 10:58:47 <Jaymach>	I like it Apr 16 10:58:54 <Sikon>	I haven't read the books, but judging by the article, the Vong look sort of lame Apr 16 10:59:07 <Jaymach>	the Vong had potential Apr 16 10:59:10 <Jaymach>	but never fulfilled it Apr 16 10:59:24 <DarkSpork>	I read them as they come out, but I do the superfast skim. Then, if I'm still interested, I'll actually read it. Maybe the whole thing. Depends. Apr 16 10:59:46 <SillyDan>	I only read the spinoff novels if I already think I'd like them Apr 16 10:59:46 <LtNOWIS>	I first learned about NJO when I read The Essential Guide to Alien Species, since I wasn't really into the fandom back then. Apr 16 10:59:49 <Sikon>	I'm not a fan of any extragalactical uber-powerful stuff-that-does-something-crazy-with-the-Force Apr 16 11:00:00 <LtNOWIS>	It was very surprising. Apr 16 11:00:03 <Sikon>	that's why I didn't like Waru either Apr 16 11:00:15 <Jaymach>	that is why you didn't like Waru? Apr 16 11:00:16 <DarkSpork>	Yeah, but Waru is easy to ignore. :D Apr 16 11:00:23 <Jaymach>	there's many other reasons not to like Waru :P Apr 16 11:00:26 <DarkSpork>	I'm down with anything I can ignore. Apr 16 11:00:36 <Sikon>	there is one more, actually Apr 16 11:00:44 <DarkSpork>	Which is why KJA was one of the few folks in Bantam to get me boiling. Apr 16 11:00:45 <Sikon>	*cough* alternate dimensions *cough* Apr 16 11:00:59 <Jaymach>	hmm Apr 16 11:01:01 <Sikon>	I'd prefer this thing saved for Star Trek Apr 16 11:01:11 <LtNOWIS>	They actually did some stuff alt. dimensions. Apr 16 11:01:17 <LtNOWIS>	Marvel and West End Games, I think Apr 16 11:01:21 <Sikon>	what else besides Waru? Apr 16 11:01:21 <Jaymach>	the only alternate dimension I can think of from Star Wars is Otherspace Apr 16 11:01:23 <DarkSpork>	I mean, a Jedi Academy? From the Luke straight out of DE? GAH! Apr 16 11:01:24 <SillyDan>	The Charan Apr 16 11:01:31 <SillyDan>	Charon, I mean. Apr 16 11:01:31 <Jaymach>	Charon :P Apr 16 11:01:40 <Jaymach>	I quite liked them Apr 16 11:01:55 <SillyDan>	Marvel had Han Solo go through some sort of dimensional warp one time Apr 16 11:02:08 <DarkSpork>	The NJO did destroy/Vonmgify that damn praxeum. Can't give 'em grief about that. Apr 16 11:02:23 <Jaymach>	yeah but then it was shoved on Ossus :P Apr 16 11:02:25 <SillyDan>	yes I can! Apr 16 11:02:28 <Sikon>	I hate that Apr 16 11:02:35 <Jaymach>	(which was the logical place for it anyway, but that's not the point) Apr 16 11:02:40 <DarkSpork>	Ossus is better than Yavin IV. Apr 16 11:02:46 <Sikon>	I mean, I'm okay with Coruscant, but not Dantooine, not Yavin IV! Apr 16 11:02:55 <LtNOWIS>	yeah, all Yavin IV had was Sith and Rebel history Apr 16 11:02:57 <Jaymach>	I mean shoving a Jedi Academy on a planet with dark side temples and the spirit of a Sith lord? Apr 16 11:03:02 <Jaymach>	Dantooine is logical too Apr 16 11:03:06 <DarkSpork>	KJA screwed me up so much with Yavin IV. When it appeared in Clone Warsa, I literally winced. Apr 16 11:03:08 <Jaymach>	it has had 2 Jedi enclaves Apr 16 11:03:09 <SillyDan>	Yeah, that's a bit silly Apr 16 11:03:13 <Sikon>	2? Apr 16 11:03:16 <Jaymach>	yeah Apr 16 11:03:24 <SillyDan>	Ah, but those have all been added to canon recently Apr 16 11:03:31 <Jaymach>	one that's in ruins at the time of the TotJ comics and later appears in Galaxies Apr 16 11:03:36 <Jaymach>	and the 2nd from KOTOR Apr 16 11:03:40 <SillyDan>	when KJA was writing, no one knew Dantooine was useful Apr 16 11:03:45 <Sikon>	heh Apr 16 11:03:54 <SillyDan>	it was just a place where the Rebel base wasn't. Apr 16 11:03:56 *	DarkSpork refrains from ranting on games and canon. Apr 16 11:04:11 <Jaymach>	oh but Galaxies never messes with canon :P lol Apr 16 11:04:27 <Sikon>	don't get me started on Galaxies... Apr 16 11:04:41 <Jaymach>	I mean having a Mandalorian Death Watch base on Endor c. 1.5 ABY? perfectly alright Apr 16 11:04:43 <DarkSpork>	Galaxies has actually come up with stuff I can use. Apr 16 11:04:52 <Jaymach>	oh it's had some good Apr 16 11:04:52 <DarkSpork>	But then, I'm fanfic girl. :D Apr 16 11:04:56 <Jaymach>	but it's far outweighed by bad Apr 16 11:04:57 <Sikon>	girl? Apr 16 11:05:00 <Sikon>	o_O Apr 16 11:05:03 <Jaymach>	lol Apr 16 11:05:06 <Jaymach>	you didn't know that? Apr 16 11:05:08 <Sikon>	no Apr 16 11:05:10 <DarkSpork>	Hehe Apr 16 11:05:17 <RMF|>	lol Apr 16 11:05:32 <SillyDan>	heh Apr 16 11:05:38 <StarNeptune>	lol Apr 16 11:05:40 <DarkSpork>	I'm used to it. You don't have a nick like 'Dunc' and NOT get mistaken for a boy. Apr 16 11:05:51 <DarkSpork>	Plus it stems the creepy email... Apr 16 11:06:03 <Sikon>	well, I didn't even know about StarNeptune for a few months Apr 16 11:06:16 <Jaymach>	everyone knew about Breathesgelatin though :P lol Apr 16 11:06:22 <RMF|>	haha Apr 16 11:06:24 <Sikon>	until she became a WOTM, or admin, or something like that Apr 16 11:06:25 <StarNeptune>	lol Apr 16 11:06:37 <DarkSpork>	Breathesgelatin? Apr 16 11:06:40 <Jaymach>	yeah Apr 16 11:06:47 <Sikon>	Breathesgelatin is female? Apr 16 11:06:50 <Jaymach>	the 1st female brave enough to post a pic of herself on her user page Apr 16 11:06:53 *	RMF| points at her user page (more specifically, her talk page) Apr 16 11:06:59 <RMF|>	(Breathes' user page) Apr 16 11:07:04 <SillyDan>	yes, she wins there Apr 16 11:07:06 <Jaymach>	as soon as she posted the pic, she had people flocking to her talk page Apr 16 11:07:18 <Sikon>	heh Apr 16 11:07:22 <StarNeptune>	it's funny reading it, too Apr 16 11:07:28 <DarkSpork>	Ha! Apr 16 11:07:43 <DarkSpork>	I might steal her female box. Apr 16 11:07:44 <SillyDan>	me, I was just glad to see another grad student Apr 16 11:08:18 <DarkSpork>	The rareity of females kinda surprises me. Apr 16 11:08:27 <Jaymach>	not me really Apr 16 11:08:33 <StarNeptune>	we're not rare in here Apr 16 11:08:41 <RMF|>	? Apr 16 11:08:48 <DarkSpork>	I've spent a lot of time in mostly-women groups... Apr 16 11:09:38 <Jaymach>	women in general are just more sensible, and realize they could be doing a lot better things with their time than SW Wiki's :P lol Apr 16 11:09:47 <Jaymach>	like translating French material :) Apr 16 11:09:48 <DarkSpork>	Even on holonet, back in the Jedinet days, there were several of us. Apr 16 11:09:57 *	Jaymach looks at Star and Breathes Apr 16 11:09:59 <Jaymach>	lol Apr 16 11:10:16 <SillyDan>	hey, half the big Star Wars fans I know in RL are women Apr 16 11:10:22 <DarkSpork>	Or they're on livejournal, fighting about how Obiwan/Anakin is more plausible than Anakin/Padme. :D Apr 16 11:10:29 <StarNeptune>	lol Apr 16 11:10:38 <Jaymach>	ah but how many of those would waste time on a Wiki? :P Apr 16 11:10:42 <SillyDan>	they're just too busy with either anime fandom or a graduate degree to poke around a wiki Apr 16 11:10:48 <DarkSpork>	Want ladies, boys? Write fanfic! :D Apr 16 11:10:49 <Sikon>	by the way Apr 16 11:10:51 <Jaymach>	see :P sensible lol Apr 16 11:11:04 *	Jaymach has a fiancй, danke :P Apr 16 11:11:09 <SillyDan>	depends on the anime, Jaymach Apr 16 11:11:13 <Sikon>	http://www.chronarion.org/chirpy/index.cgi?id=796 Apr 16 11:11:31 *	DarkSpork has yet to met an anime that makes sense more often than not... Apr 16 11:11:58 <StarNeptune>	I like Evangelion Apr 16 11:11:58 <Jaymach>	Ghost in the Shell was a good anime Apr 16 11:12:03 <SillyDan>	*Dan thinks Obiwan/Padme is as plausible as either Apr 16 11:12:27 *	DarkSpork 's OTP was/is Luke/Mara. Bizarre. Apr 16 11:12:37 <DarkSpork>	Prequel ships? Meh. Apr 16 11:13:00 <LtNOWIS>	Changing the subject, how long should a plot summary be? Apr 16 11:13:13 <Sikon>	hmm, tough one Apr 16 11:13:14 <SillyDan>	short-ish Apr 16 11:13:15 <Jaymach>	uh Apr 16 11:13:21 <LtNOWIS>	Because I'm writing one that's going to be like 4 paragraphs for a 64-page comic. Apr 16 11:13:25 <Jaymach>	summary, 2 paragraphs tops? Apr 16 11:13:37 *	Jaymach shrugs Apr 16 11:13:41 <SillyDan>	maybe 3 for a 64-page comic Apr 16 11:14:01 <Sikon>	I think we should ditch publisher's summaries Apr 16 11:14:11 <Jaymach>	we probably should Apr 16 11:14:13 <Jaymach>	they're useless Apr 16 11:14:14 <DarkSpork>	too melodramatic Apr 16 11:14:20 <StarNeptune>	Half of them aren;t even accurate Apr 16 11:14:22 <Sikon>	they are copyvios, and we can provide external links Apr 16 11:14:25 <LtNOWIS>	yeah, they suck Apr 16 11:14:31 <Sikon>	and aren't encyclopedic too Apr 16 11:14:49 <LtNOWIS>	are they copyvios? Wikipedia thinks so. Apr 16 11:15:04 <DarkSpork>	Wouldn't theyt come under Fair Use? Apr 16 11:15:07 <DarkSpork>	Being short. Apr 16 11:15:21 <LtNOWIS>	you would think so, and since they really promote the work. Apr 16 11:15:33 <Sikon>	I thought we only allow fair use for images Apr 16 11:15:43 <Sikon>	and quotes... Apr 16 11:15:44 <RMF|>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fair_use Apr 16 11:15:57 <LtNOWIS>	yeah, I've copyvio'd 3-sentence articles. Apr 16 11:16:00 <SillyDan>	everything we do comes under some form of fair use, doesn't it? Apr 16 11:16:07 <RMF|>	It also applies to text Apr 16 11:16:13 ---	Breathesgelatin is now known as breathesgelatin Apr 16 11:16:15 	hiya Apr 16 11:16:16 <SillyDan>	*Is not any form of lawyer whatsoever Apr 16 11:16:22 <Sikon>	well, text we write is GFDL Apr 16 11:16:24 <Jaymach>	hey Breathes :) Apr 16 11:16:37 <Jaymach>	Kuralyov can't get into IRC at all :( Apr 16 11:16:43 <Sikon>	why? Apr 16 11:16:44 <Jaymach>	he wants to move the meetings back to Jabber Apr 16 11:16:52 <StarNeptune>	Not even with the client? Apr 16 11:16:57 *	Jaymach shrugs Apr 16 11:16:57 <Sikon>	why can't he use CGI:IRC? Apr 16 11:17:06 <DarkSpork>	Client works for me, and I'm usually blocked Apr 16 11:17:06 <Jaymach>	he just left a message on the Meetings page Apr 16 11:17:41 <Sikon>	to clarify: copyright protects content, not ideas Apr 16 11:17:58 <LtNOWIS>	I did it just fine with my internet browser, before I got my IRC client. Apr 16 11:18:01 <Sikon>	that's why fanfics are allowed, as long as they aren't for profit Apr 16 11:18:13 <Jaymach>	I really want to put a video of Star Tours up somewhere :( Apr 16 11:18:17 <Jaymach>	but I don't think it's allowed Apr 16 11:18:24 <Sikon>	no Apr 16 11:18:30 <Sikon>	it isn't Apr 16 11:18:34 <Jaymach>	I don't mean on the Wookieepedia :P Apr 16 11:18:38 <Sikon>	ah Apr 16 11:18:38 <Jaymach>	just somewhere on the net Apr 16 11:18:46 <Jaymach>	so that people can download it Apr 16 11:18:54 <Sikon>	we can upload vector animations, though Apr 16 11:19:00 <LtNOWIS>	We have a video of the holiday special linked, at one point. Apr 16 11:19:01 <Sikon>	SVG+JavaScript Apr 16 11:19:26 <Sikon>	but they must be opened in separate windows, and are Firefox-only Apr 16 11:19:27 <DarkSpork>	Linking prolly won't get you in trouble. Apr 16 11:19:31 <RMF|>	Hmm, Kuralyov says he can't get in Apr 16 11:19:39 <Jaymach>	I just said that Rmf :P Apr 16 11:19:47 <DarkSpork>	I linked to a copy of the Holiday Special on Youtube, no C&Ds yet. :D Apr 16 11:20:02 <RMF|>	lol, that's what I get for leaving the chat Apr 16 11:20:09 <Jaymach>	damn right Apr 16 11:20:14 <Jaymach>	you need to stay in here all the time :P Apr 16 11:21:16 <RMF|>	I think we should discuss some of the new features in MediaWiki 1.7, like Sikon mentioned Apr 16 11:21:24 <RMF|>	most notably, semi-protection Apr 16 11:21:24 <Sikon>	ah, indeed Apr 16 11:21:30 <Jaymach>	can't say I know too many of them :) Apr 16 11:21:48 <RMF|>, SVG, and Semi-protection are the ones Sikon mentioned Apr 16 11:21:58 <Sikon>	not qif Apr 16 11:22:06 <RMF|>	param. default, my bad Apr 16 11:22:07 <Sikon>	qif was possible before Apr 16 11:22:20 <--	breathesgelatin has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) Apr 16 11:22:25 <RMF|>	did it work correctly though? Apr 16 11:22:31 <Sikon>	yes Apr 16 11:22:36 <RMF|>	I though we had problems with its implementation in Apr 16 11:22:53 <Sikon>	we didn't use qif per se, but a lower level template Apr 16 11:22:59 <Sikon>	undefined Apr 16 11:23:05 <Jaymach>	you're meant to ask Sikon about something for the Battles template Rmf :P Apr 16 11:23:09 <Sikon>	ah Apr 16 11:23:12 <Sikon>	the battle box Apr 16 11:23:14 <RMF|>	I was going to do that later Apr 16 11:23:18 <RMF|>	when the channel cleared a bit Apr 16 11:23:26 <Jaymach>	fair enough Apr 16 11:23:33 <Sikon>	should we change it to the brown palette? Apr 16 11:23:36 <RMF|>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Rmfitzgerald50/Battle_infobox_test Apr 16 11:23:37 <Jaymach>	just thought I'd remind you :P Apr 16 11:23:41 <RMF|>	I fooled around with it a bit Apr 16 11:24:03 <RMF|>	but I don't know how to split the table left/right with Apr 16 11:24:28 <RMF|>	I was wondering if you could help :) Apr 16 11:25:26 <Sikon>	eh? Apr 16 11:26:02 <RMF|>	under combatants/strength/etc, the table is split into two side-by-side sections Apr 16 11:26:14 <RMF|>	is that possible to do with your meta templates? Apr 16 11:26:23 <RMF|>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Rmfitzgerald50/Battle_infobox Apr 16 11:27:06 <Sikon>	no Apr 16 11:27:31 <RMF|>	is there any way to get bulleting working then? Apr 16 11:27:37 <Sikon>	I already did :) Apr 16 11:27:45 <Jaymach>	lol Apr 16 11:27:47 <RMF|>	heh, thanks Apr 16 11:27:58 <RMF|>	so should I put this on ? Apr 16 11:28:08 -->	Kuralyov (n=42c3d04b@84.40.25.237) has joined #wookieepedia Apr 16 11:28:14 <Jaymach>	hey Kuralyov :) Apr 16 11:28:19 <Sikon>	yay! Apr 16 11:28:24 <RMF|>	it must have worked :P Apr 16 11:28:25 <Kuralyov>	Is this thing working? Apr 16 11:28:30 <Jaymach>	it is :P Apr 16 11:28:30 <Sikon>	yes it is! Apr 16 11:28:31 <DarkSpork>	yes Apr 16 11:28:41 <Jaymach>	unless you can't see our text Apr 16 11:28:44 <Jaymach>	in which case no Apr 16 11:28:49 <Jaymach>	though me saying that is redundant Apr 16 11:28:53 <Jaymach>	because you wouldn't be able to see it Apr 16 11:28:57 <Sikon>	heh Apr 16 11:28:58 <Kuralyov>	No, I cna see it, I just seems like I have lag. But better than nothing. Apr 16 11:29:07 <Sikon>	well, CGI:IRC does lag Apr 16 11:29:10 <Kuralyov>	Well, now it seems to be working normal speed. Apr 16 11:29:35 <Sikon>	RMF> I suppose you can overwrite Apr 16 11:29:40 <Kuralyov>	Fantastic! This didn't work for me last time I tried. Apr 16 11:29:50 <RMF|>	okay Apr 16 11:30:14 <Jaymach>	it's a shame all these people weren't in before Apr 16 11:30:23 <Sikon>	yep Apr 16 11:30:30 <RMF|>	we can still discuss semi-protection Apr 16 11:30:37 <Jaymach>	true Apr 16 11:30:57 <Sikon>	I think we should semi-protect all Wookieepedia: pages Apr 16 11:31:10 <Kuralyov>	What does semi-protect do, exactly? Apr 16 11:31:21 <RMF|>	prevents unregistered or very new users from editing a page Apr 16 11:31:29 <RMF|>	very new is currently defined as 4 days Apr 16 11:31:43 <Kuralyov>	Ah, sounds good to me. Apr 16 11:31:49 <LtNOWIS>	I thought there was a secret algorithm that came up with a short amount of time Apr 16 11:31:53 <SillyDan>	makes sense to me Apr 16 11:31:53 <RMF|>	I think we should semi-protect a number of high-risk templates Apr 16 11:32:01 <Sikon>	agreed Apr 16 11:32:20 <SillyDan>	and some of the administrative-type articles Apr 16 11:32:25 <SillyDan>	like the CP Apr 16 11:32:47 <Sikon>, and  are probably the best candidates Apr 16 11:32:50 <SillyDan>	new battle template looks good Apr 16 11:32:53 <RMF|>	thanks Apr 16 11:32:56 <LtNOWIS>	Semi-protection is nice when people are vandalizing articles, which I guess isn't that common here. Apr 16 11:32:59 <RMF|>	Sikon -- there are many more Apr 16 11:33:05 <Sikon>	yes Apr 16 11:33:06 <Jaymach>	took me long enough to get Rmf to make it :P Apr 16 11:33:10 <RMF|>	I think semi-protection should be the exception and not the rule Apr 16 11:33:10 <Sikon>	I was just giving examples Apr 16 11:33:30 <SillyDan>	fair enough Apr 16 11:33:31 <RMF|>	yeah --, , , etc Apr 16 11:33:32 <Kuralyov>	What's the new battle template? Apr 16 11:33:44 <Sikon> Apr 16 11:33:45 <RMF|>	it's just coloring and such Apr 16 11:33:52 <RMF|>	I didn't really add anything Apr 16 11:34:02 <SillyDan>	and text formatting to make it like our other templates Apr 16 11:34:13 <Sikon>	basically I think semi-protection should be applied to everything showcased on the main page, and relevant templates Apr 16 11:34:15 <Jaymach>	Rmf's only good for looks :) not so great on content :P Apr 16 11:34:26 <Kuralyov>	Ah, all right, I see it now. It does look good. Apr 16 11:34:27 <Sikon>	for other things, it can be applied if vandalism does occur Apr 16 11:34:27 <RMF|>	lol Apr 16 11:34:36 <Kuralyov>	I agree with Sikon Apr 16 11:34:50 <Jaymach>	I still really think we should have a minimum article length for "Did you know"'s Apr 16 11:34:53 <Sikon>	DYK, ID, WOTM templates... Apr 16 11:34:59 <RMF|>	yeah Apr 16 11:35:02 <Sikon>	yes Apr 16 11:35:09 <Sikon>	what about a "recent articles" section? Apr 16 11:35:25 <RMF|>	Sikon -- what do we call high-risk? transcluded on 50 pages? Apr 16 11:35:47 <Sikon>	transcluded on high-traffic pages, I guess Apr 16 11:35:50 <Kuralyov>	What do you mean, recent articles? Apr 16 11:36:02 <Sikon>	see WP's main page Apr 16 11:36:06 <SillyDan>	what do you mean transcluded? Apr 16 11:36:15 <Sikon>	transcluded = used as a template Apr 16 11:36:23 <SillyDan>	ah, ok Apr 16 11:36:27 <Sikon> Apr 16 11:36:43 <SillyDan>	didn't know that was the tech. term Apr 16 11:37:05 <Sikon>	hmm, WP doesn't have a recent articles section Apr 16 11:37:15 <Sikon>	weird, I thought it did Apr 16 11:37:21 <Sikon>	Uncyclopedia does, though Apr 16 11:37:30 <RMF|>	transcluded means it's actually used as a template; in the article text Apr 16 11:37:36 <RMF|>	as opposed to substed Apr 16 11:37:40 <Sikon>	yes Apr 16 11:38:00 <RMF|>	hence the high-risk, as vandalism would appear immediately on hundreds of articles Apr 16 11:38:18 <Sikon>	ouch, what happened to the main page? Apr 16 11:38:45 <RMF|>	adamwankenobi, apparently :P Apr 16 11:38:48 <Kuralyov>	All right, I see the recent article on Uncyclopedia, not quite sure what it is - a listing of the newest created articles? Should we include that on WP? Apr 16 11:38:49 <Sikon>	ah Apr 16 11:39:02 <Sikon>	yes, it's a listing of new articles Apr 16 11:39:10 <Jaymach>	hmm Apr 16 11:39:14 <Jaymach>	it's meant to be protected Apr 16 11:39:21 <Sikon>	no Apr 16 11:39:29 <Sikon>	it isn't protected on Uncyc Apr 16 11:39:29 <Jaymach>	the Main Page? Apr 16 11:39:29 <SillyDan>	protected or semi-pro? Apr 16 11:39:38 <Sikon>	the Main Page is semi-protected Apr 16 11:39:40 <Sikon>	or, better Apr 16 11:39:40 <Jaymach>	the Main Page was agreed to be fully protected Apr 16 11:39:50 <Jaymach>	although it doesn't seem to be anymore Apr 16 11:39:51 <Sikon>	edit=autoconfirmed move=sysop Apr 16 11:40:13 <Sikon>	by the way, a quick explanation Apr 16 11:40:20 <Sikon>	the protection log uses a new format Apr 16 11:40:32 <Sikon>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Log/protect Apr 16 11:41:11 <Sikon>	"autoconfirmed" means what RMF said - blocking unregistered or very new users Apr 16 11:41:16 *	Jaymach protected his own page for the hell of it Apr 16 11:41:18 -->	YADAx3 (i=TheKip@ip70-161-55-124.hr.hr.cox.net) has joined #wookieepedia Apr 16 11:41:24 <Sikon>	"sysop" means that only an admin can edit/move a page Apr 16 11:41:26 <Jaymach>	YADAx3? O.o Apr 16 11:41:28 <--	YADAx3 (i=TheKip@ip70-161-55-124.hr.hr.cox.net) has left #wookieepedia Apr 16 11:41:42 <RMF|>	that was Culator I believe :P Apr 16 11:41:42 <Sikon>	permissions for editing and moving can be tuned independently Apr 16 11:41:49 <SillyDan>	ok,, makes sense Apr 16 11:42:00 <Jaymach>	yeah it was Culator Apr 16 11:42:03 <Jaymach>	same IP address Apr 16 11:42:21 <SillyDan>	anyway, I'm off Apr 16 11:42:28 <Sikon>	see you! Apr 16 11:42:29 <SillyDan>	cheers, all Apr 16 11:42:34 <Jaymach>	righto...cya later SillyDan...sorry there wasn't a proper meeting :( Apr 16 11:42:39 <--	SillyDan has quit (Remote closed the connection) Apr 16 11:42:46 <Sikon>	and I'm inclined to make most project pages movable by sysops only Apr 16 11:43:00 *	RMF| cringes Apr 16 11:43:22 -->	DCulator|pebkac (i=TheKip@ip70-161-55-124.hr.hr.cox.net) has joined #Wookieepedia Apr 16 11:43:23 <Jaymach>	I feel that all pages should be autoprotected against moving Apr 16 11:43:29 <Sikon>	all? Apr 16 11:43:32 <RMF|>	no Apr 16 11:43:41 <RMF|>	see http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Protected_pages_considered_harmful Apr 16 11:43:44 <Sikon>	I don't think so Apr 16 11:43:44 <Jaymach>	well it would mean people would have to be registered for at least 4 days to move, no? Apr 16 11:43:54 <DCulator|pebkac>	Blasted computer. Apr 16 11:43:58 <RMF|>	page protection should be the exception, not the rule, as I've said before Apr 16 11:43:59 <Jaymach>	would save us from any "on Wheels" vandals Apr 16 11:44:14 <RMF|>	until we have a problem with them, I say leave it as is Apr 16 11:44:18 <Jaymach>	plus...what anon's do you know that have moved pages constructively? Apr 16 11:44:21 <Sikon>	on wheels vandals can wait 4 days Apr 16 11:44:26 <Jaymach>	we've had small problems before :P Apr 16 11:44:27 <Kuralyov>	Can anons even move pages? Apr 16 11:44:30 <Sikon>	anons CANNOT move pages Apr 16 11:44:32 <Jaymach>	they can Apr 16 11:44:34 <Jaymach>	no? Apr 16 11:44:36 <RMF|>	no, they can't Apr 16 11:44:37 <Jaymach>	hmm Apr 16 11:44:40 <Jaymach>	then it doesn't matter :) Apr 16 11:45:16 <Sikon>	otherwise, the "Pedophilia rules" incident would be repeated regularly Apr 16 11:45:17 <RMF|>	I dislike page protection used as a preventative measure except in certain cirumstances -- for the most part, vandalism on this wiki isn't bad at all Apr 16 11:45:38 <DCulator|pebkac>	I do not agree with many of Wikipedia's principles. They're obsessed with openness to an idiotic degree. Apr 16 11:45:40 <Sikon>	probably Apr 16 11:46:01 <StarNeptune>	Should we make a note that we're alternating between main page designs somewhere Apr 16 11:46:06 <RMF|>	I'm kinda getting the impression that we have page protection as a shiny new toy, and what can we protect with it? Apr 16 11:46:11 <Sikon>	yes, we should Apr 16 11:46:21 <Sikon>	but move vandalism is more sinister Apr 16 11:46:26 <RMF|>	anons are not inherently evil Apr 16 11:46:30 <DCulator|pebkac>	People who believe people are generally trustworthy just haven't worked with the public enough. Apr 16 11:46:31 <Sikon>	I agree Apr 16 11:46:43 <RMF|>	People will act like you expect them to act Apr 16 11:46:48 <Sikon>	anons aren't bad per se Apr 16 11:47:08 <Sikon>	because move vandalism isn't as easy to revert Apr 16 11:47:12 <Kuralyov>	I've seen enough anon contribution to know they do good stuff. Also a lot of people at TFN are anon contributors Apr 16 11:47:24 <Sikon>	sometimes only admins can revert it Apr 16 11:47:37 <Sikon>	and still the redirect is left until deleted Apr 16 11:47:52 <RMF|>	another thing -- if we protect all these pages, determined vandals will just seed accounts days prior. Try filtering recent changes without anons Apr 16 11:48:24 <Kuralyov>	Good point Apr 16 11:48:25 <RMF|>	by making them register, we also make them more invisible Apr 16 11:48:45 <Sikon>	Kuralyov> one person on TFN even hesitated registering, thinking it obliges him to something Apr 16 11:49:04 <Sikon>	while actually it just gives him more powah Apr 16 11:49:41 ---	Disconnected (Connection aborted). Apr 16 12:07:33 -->	You are now talking on #wookieepedia Apr 16 12:07:55 <Sikon>	sorry for leaving you so unexpectedly Apr 16 12:08:02 <Jaymach>	s'okay :) Apr 16 12:09:17 <Jaymach>	it's kinda gone silent :P Apr 16 12:10:49 <Sikon>	I'm toying with the MediaWiki namespace Apr 16 12:10:50 <RMF|>	I guess the meeting is over Apr 16 12:10:52 <Sikon>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Special:Log/delete Apr 16 12:10:57 <Sikon>	yes, probably Apr 16 12:11:13 <Kuralyov>	Sorry, I've been browsing through the KOTOR comics Apr 16 12:11:26 <Jaymach>	do you have the latest? Apr 16 12:11:27 <Sikon>	KOTOR comics... :( you lucky Americans... Apr 16 12:11:38 <Jaymach>	I've told you I can send you them if you like :P Apr 16 12:11:39 <Sikon>	latest? #4? Apr 16 12:11:59 <RMF|>	heh -http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Osarian Apr 16 12:12:09 <RMF|>	somebody's always gotta come along and throw a wrench in the works Apr 16 12:12:31 <Kuralyov>	Latest is number 3 I think Apr 16 12:12:36 <RMF|>	"Destruction log"? lol Apr 16 12:13:00 <Jaymach>	there's been a few battles with 3 sides Apr 16 12:13:10 <RMF|>	enough to merit a separate infobox? Apr 16 12:13:17 <Jaymach>	......yes Apr 16 12:13:19 <RMF|>	otherwise I can just hard-code it Apr 16 12:13:21 <RMF|>	okay Apr 16 12:13:36 <Jaymach>	that was slightly sarcasm :P Apr 16 12:13:37 <Jaymach>	I dunno really Apr 16 12:14:02 <Sikon>	I wonder where you will find enough space Apr 16 12:14:20 *	RMF| does too Apr 16 12:14:34 <Jaymach>	well it'll always fit my screen :P Apr 16 12:14:34 <RMF|>	unless I change it from vertical to horizontal Apr 16 12:14:37 <Sikon>	although I like the Battle of Osarian infobox Apr 16 12:14:46 <Sikon>	we just need to color it Apr 16 12:16:08 <RMF|>	I could do that too, idc Apr 16 12:16:18 <RMF|>	that's acutally prob. easier Apr 16 12:16:27 <Jaymach>	cheat :P Apr 16 12:16:29 <--	DarkSpork has quit ("Leaving") Apr 16 12:16:36 <RMF|>	but I dislike hard-coding templates simply because they're harder to keep track of Apr 16 12:18:39 <Kuralyov>	I'm going to be heading off now, it's late/early where I'm at Apr 16 12:18:45 <StarNeptune>	Are we keeping the CT about the main page open? Apr 16 12:19:01 <--	Kuralyov has quit (Remote closed the connection) Apr 16 12:19:15 <Jaymach>	I guess we kinda have to :( Apr 16 12:19:34 <RMF|>	yes, until a consensus is reached :P (i.e. never) Apr 16 12:21:12 <StarNeptune>	Shall we go to Round 3? Apr 16 12:21:15 <StarNeptune>	lol Apr 16 12:21:58 <RMF|>	lol Apr 16 12:24:12 <RMF|>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Triple_battle_infobox Apr 16 12:24:27 <RMF|>	it's really wide, but I didn't really have a choice Apr 16 12:30:12 <StarNeptune>	lol Apr 16 12:30:17 <StarNeptune>	"Destruction log" Apr 16 12:32:27 ---	StarNeptune is now known as Star|Sleep Apr 16 12:33:19 ---	Star|Sleep is now known as Star|Bed Apr 16 12:33:29 <Jaymach>	you're a bed now?! Apr 16 12:33:32 <Jaymach>	:P Apr 16 12:35:21 <RMF|>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Osarian Apr 16 12:35:27 <RMF|>	yeah, it's pretty cozy Apr 16 12:35:40 <RMF|>	(the infobox, that is :P) Apr 16 12:37:21 <Jaymach>	looks fine for me :) Apr 16 12:38:45 <RMF|>	how do you guys want me to mark high-risk templates? Apr 16 12:38:49 <Sikon>	I tweaked VFD a bit Apr 16 12:39:00 <Sikon>	active discussions are now highlighted Apr 16 12:39:02 <RMF|>	I'd feel kinda silly putting another temp on them; but that might be the best option Apr 16 12:39:06 <Sikon>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Votes_for_deletion reload the cache Apr 16 12:39:41 <Sikon>	I think that infobox should be 300px instead of 250px Apr 16 12:42:06 <Sikon>	so, Jaymach, do you have the complete log? Apr 16 12:42:19 <Jaymach>	whaaaa? Apr 16 12:42:22 <RMF|>	wow, Template messages/Infoboxes needs updating badly Apr 16 12:42:23 <Sikon>	of the meeting Apr 16 12:42:29 <Jaymach>	oh Apr 16 12:42:30 <Jaymach>	well yeah Apr 16 12:42:39 <Jaymach>	my log stretches back over a few months Apr 16 12:43:02 <RMF|>	one of you can delete http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Droid Apr 16 12:43:08 <RMF|>	it's deprecated Apr 16 12:43:15 <Jaymach>	bah I wanna move Droid infobox to Droid :P Apr 16 12:43:21 <Jaymach>	I won't Apr 16 12:43:23 <Jaymach>	but I want to Apr 16 12:43:25 <RMF|>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Template:SW_Droid&redirect=no Apr 16 12:43:29 <RMF|>	along with its redirect Apr 16 12:43:44 <RMF|>	I prefer more accurate template naming :P Apr 16 12:44:05 <Jaymach>	which is why you've made it impossible to do vehicle templates? :P Apr 16 12:44:32 <RMF|>	just make into a redirect for Apr 16 12:44:46 <RMF|>	that way you can be lazy, and Nebulax will have some minor work to do Apr 16 12:45:31 <Sikon>	blasted Apr 16 12:45:50 <RMF|>	thanks Apr 16 12:45:58 <Sikon>	all "SW whatever" redirects should be delete Apr 16 12:45:59 <Sikon>	d Apr 16 12:46:10 <Jaymach>	lol Apr 16 12:46:13 <Sikon>	they are leftovers from Wikipedia Apr 16 12:47:00 <RMF|>	did you delete the main template? Apr 16 12:48:57 <RMF|>	changed to 300px, btw Apr 16 12:50:10 <RMF|>	how do you guys want me to tag high-risk templates? Apr 16 12:50:14 <Sikon>	no, I didn't Apr 16 12:50:20 <Sikon>	only the redirect Apr 16 12:50:30 <RMF|>	the temp. can be deleted as well Apr 16 12:50:33 <Sikon>	I don't think they should be tagged Apr 16 12:50:46 <RMF|>	you want to go through them? Apr 16 12:53:56 <RMF|>	I could, but naturally it would be much faster if one of you did Apr 16 12:54:11 <RMF|>	what is our criteria for high-risk, though? Apr 16 12:54:22 <RMF|>	50? 100? Apr 16 12:55:21 <RMF|>	I am also done with this: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Rmfitzgerald50/Battle_infobox_test Apr 16 13:01:34 <Jaymach>	sorry if I'm silent :) writing another entry for What's the story Apr 16 13:02:29 <RMF|>	well go ahead and delete my last link :P Apr 16 13:05:15 <Jaymach>	done :P Apr 16 13:05:51 <RMF|>	lol. Apr 16 13:06:40 <RMF|>	I have to create the test pages in order to test new infoboxes; you really need to get off of me in some of these edit summaries :P Apr 16 13:06:51 <Jaymach>	I know :P Apr 16 13:06:59 <Jaymach>	it's just fun getting you riled up Apr 16 13:07:40 <RMF|>	No, that doesn't rile me up. UTC, GMT, CST, BST, and DST get me riled up. :P Apr 16 13:08:39 <Jaymach>	ah you mean the fact that it's currently 7am GMT then? Apr 16 13:10:18 *	RMF| goes back to his other wiki Apr 16 13:10:38 <Sikon>	UTC = GMT Apr 16 13:10:48 <RMF|>	lol. Apr 16 13:10:52 <RMF|>	in short, no. Apr 16 13:11:00 <Sikon>	how are they different? Apr 16 13:11:01 <RMF|>	we're not going over this again. Apr 16 13:11:08 <RMF|>	British Savings Time Apr 16 13:11:14 <Sikon>	... Apr 16 13:11:17 <Sikon>	oh noes! Apr 16 13:11:17 <RMF|>	during the summer, GMT goes +1 over UTC Apr 16 13:11:26 <RMF|>	yeah... Apr 16 13:11:38 <RMF|>	Britain and Portugal observe it Apr 16 13:11:40 <Jaymach>	we had a lovely argument about it earlier :) Apr 16 13:11:49 <Jaymach>	Rmf had a great time Apr 16 13:11:51 <RMF|>	the rest of western europe sticks with UTC Apr 16 13:11:52 <Jaymach>	didn't you? :PO Apr 16 13:11:57 <RMF|>	I really did P Apr 16 13:11:59 <RMF|>	:P Apr 16 13:12:35 <Sikon>	hmm Apr 16 13:12:50 <Sikon>	I thought France and Spain used GMT+1, no? Apr 16 13:14:03 <Jaymach>	they use UTC+1 Apr 16 13:14:08 <RMF|>	http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Time_zones_of_Europe.png Apr 16 13:14:20 <RMF|>	it's kind of a mess Apr 16 13:14:30 <RMF|>	you'd think the EU could step in or something :P Apr 16 13:19:37 <Jaymach>	done :) another What's the story entry Apr 16 13:19:52 <Jaymach>	this time with even more obscure stuff being mentioned lol Apr 16 13:20:09 <Sikon>	one timezone from Spain to Poland... sweeyt Apr 16 13:20:45 <Jaymach>	Drogon was one of a limited run of Manowar-class frigates produced by the Ishi Tib during the Clone Wars for the Confederacy of Independent Systems after the planet was liberated by Count Dooku. Coming in at only 120m in length, it packed considerable weaponry for its size and in its stock form fitted 8 double turbolasers as well as 2 concussion missile launchers which were modified to function perfectly well underwater. Apr 16 13:20:45 <Jaymach>	Though only twelve of the ships were ever produced, most of them survived until the end of the Clone Wars and later made their way into the black market. The Drogon turned up on the planet Serob 6, as the indigenous Sorkis were rather fond of a ship which was designed to also operate underwater. They converted the ship into a medical frigate and it patrolled the seas of Serob 6 for many years, treating the patients of many a shipwreck. Apr 16 13:20:46 <Jaymach>	This all changed, however, when a Rebel transport crashed into the oceans of Serob 6. The Drogon was immediately dispatched and they managed to rescue all but one member of the crew. While being treated for their injuries, the Rebels talked with the native Sorkis who were shocked at the atrocities of the Empire and soon agreed to use their ship to aid the growing Alliance. The Alliance gladly accepted a fully functioning warship and soon put it Apr 16 13:20:52 <Jaymach>	Drogon saw its first battle in one of the turning victories of the war; the battle of Endor. It served as an escort for one of the larger Mon Calamari cruisers and was badly damaged when the ship it was escorting was destroyed by a blast from the second Death Star. Despite the fact that most of its systems had been damaged, the ship continued to fight on and eventually managed to survive the entirety of the battle. Apr 16 13:20:56 <Jaymach>	Repairs began immediately and, though not at full capacity, the ship also served in the later battle against the Nagai forces. The Drogon was driven from Endor and took refuge in the shipyards of Sullust, where full repairs began in ernest. Apr 16 13:21:00 <Jaymach>	sound okay? Apr 16 13:22:10 *	RMF| feels compelled to wookify it Apr 16 13:22:17 <RMF|>	yeah, it's fine :P Apr 16 13:22:31 <Jaymach>	lol Apr 16 13:22:39 <Jaymach>	wookify it how? :P Apr 16 13:24:05 <RMF|>	whenever I look at text like that I have these urges to Wookify Apr 16 13:24:06 <Sikon>	does the Databank have some sort of a disclaimer saying that you transmit your copyright to Lucasfilm? Apr 16 13:24:24 *	RMF| bets they do Apr 16 13:24:34 <Sikon>	if it doesn't, theoretically you can GFDL it Apr 16 13:24:46 <Jaymach>	probably does Apr 16 13:24:49 <Jaymach>	unfortunately :( Apr 16 13:25:06 <Sikon>	can you look into it? Apr 16 13:25:38 <Sikon>	I had trial Hyperspace access when I bought the ROTS DVD, but it was in January Apr 16 13:25:58 <Sikon>	in late December, even Apr 16 13:26:18 <Jaymach>	yeah I'll look into it Apr 16 13:27:13 <Jaymach>	my previous entry for the ship entered it as a CEC Outrider-class cruiser Apr 16 13:35:25 <RMF|>	Sikon -- one reason we might want to keep deprecated infoboxes (even if no pages link to them) is so that old page histories would still render correctly Apr 16 13:35:35 <RMF|>	 comes to mind Apr 16 13:35:55 <RMF|>	do you think we could restore that and put a deprecated box on it or something? Apr 16 13:36:02 <Sikon>	I think nobody cares Apr 16 13:36:13 <Sikon>	but I suppose you have a point Apr 16 13:36:22 <Sikon>	although I prefer this to be discussed in the SH Apr 16 13:36:26 <RMF|>	you're probably right Apr 16 13:36:38 <RMF|>	but who else would participate? Apr 16 13:36:59 <Jaymach>	Steve would Apr 16 13:37:13 <RMF|>	it's not like this is really a controversial issue Apr 16 13:37:32 <RMF|>	it just allows people to view old page revisions correctly Apr 16 13:37:45 <Jaymach>	there's no real need to do that Apr 16 13:37:55 <Jaymach>	old versios are just in case we make mistakes in newer versions Apr 16 13:38:40 <RMF|>	I know; and Sikon's right: nobody really cares Apr 16 13:39:02 <RMF|>	it's just I'd like to see things preserved as they were (and there's no real drawback) Apr 16 13:39:39 <RMF|>	when somebody, for some reason, loads an old page rev., I'd rather they saw the actual infobox that used to be there than Template:Character red-linked Apr 16 13:40:13 <Jaymach>	there's a problem if people don't know about the new character infobox? Apr 16 13:40:24 <Jaymach>	and they just type in to see if it'll work Apr 16 13:41:21 <RMF|>	that's true -- but that would stick out like a sore thumb Apr 16 13:41:45 <RMF|>	and, considering the rate the new char. infoboxes were adopted, wouldn't last long at all Apr 16 13:42:40 <RMF|>	ah, I'm getting tired, and thinking of pointless topics :P Apr 16 13:42:47 ---	RMF| is now known as RMF|Away Apr 16 13:44:02 <RMF|Away>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Trade_Federation_droideka Apr 16 13:44:15 <RMF|Away>	that can prob. be deleted as well; I don't think it needs a redirect Apr 16 18:02:46 -->	JIMBAWB (n=5229a43e@box6.tpa.wikia-inc.com) has joined #wookieepedia Apr 16 18:03:00 <JIMBAWB>	Yo. Apr 16 18:03:34 <--	JIMBAWB has quit (Remote closed the connection)