Talk:ARC trooper captain

Alpha
What is the source for alpha being an ARC captain? In obsession, his last appearance, he's a regular ARC with blue armor. --Xilentshadow900 14:28, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * While he is seen wearing blue armor, the picture shows him as an ARC captain. Admiral J. Nebulax 14:30, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd call it Artistic Licence. Karen Traviss has always said that Alpha is a true ARC.--Xilentshadow900 14:33, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Yet, he is called a captain, so therefore he has the red armor of a captain. Admiral J. Nebulax 14:34, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Where was he called a captain?--Xilentshadow900 14:34, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I've seen it in plenty of places. But, just because he's portrayed as a standard ARC in the comics doesn't mean he is a standard ARC. Comic screw things up a lot. Admiral J. Nebulax 14:40, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * And another thing: Why would they put a standard ARC in charge of clone commander training? It would be only logical to put an ARC captain in charge of it. Admiral J. Nebulax 14:41, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. As said by Karen Traviss and Ryan Kaufman, ARC captains weren't true ARCs, as the true ARCs worked alone. And Alpha wasn't in many places besides the comics, because in fact, he was Created in the comics. And in the comics, he's always been an ARC. Either way, I've just asked Karen Traviss. It's probably just a case of Artistic Licence.--Xilentshadow900 14:45, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Then why has he been called a captain? Admiral J. Nebulax 14:47, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * But where has he been called a captain? "Plenty of places" isn't real specific.--Xilentshadow900 14:48, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Listen, just do whatever you want with it. I don't have the names of the sources where I saw it now. If I still did, I would have posted them by now. Admiral J. Nebulax 14:52, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll edit it, but if anything comes up about him being a captain, I'll put it back.--Xilentshadow900 14:55, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * At least leave the picture in. Just change it's caption. Admiral J. Nebulax 14:56, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, that makes sense. Sorry... Whoever said that ARCs didn't get phase II armor was wrong, I just realized.--Xilentshadow900 15:02, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't know if there's a source for this, but I was just surfing the Internet, and I found something: On one site, it says that when he returned to Kamino for the clone commander training, "He was promoted to Captain...". Can anyone confirm/deny this? Admiral J. Nebulax 15:04, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Which site was it? I can probably figure it out from there.--Xilentshadow900 15:06, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It was from an AOL site, but all the other information was true, as I checked it myself. Admiral J. Nebulax 15:09, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess the best thing to do is to wait for Karen Traviss's response.--Xilentshadow900 15:21, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, it should let us know whether or not he was a captain, thus ending this debate. Admiral J. Nebulax 15:23, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * More of a discussion, really...--Xilentshadow900 15:38, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Good point. Admiral J. Nebulax 16:52, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well then, perhaps not... "No idea, but if he was, Ordo wouldn't have taken any notice of him."--Xilentshadow900 17:40, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Was that the response? Admiral J. Nebulax 17:43, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I was a bit surprised. I thought she knew everything about every clone ever...--Xilentshadow900 17:45, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm, interesting... Admiral J. Nebulax 17:45, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)

What's left?
This article contains no information beyond the ARC trooper article. Is there more information beyond their uniform color and roles as squad leaders available? --SparqMan 22:40, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * The only time they've ever been seen anywhere, and correct me if I'm wrong, is in the Clone Wars cartoon. Not much else info.--Xilentshadow900 23:26, 10 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe they appeared somewhere else. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:31, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * As far as I know, the only other place a red ARC can be seen is in the Karen Traviss short story Omega Squad: Targets. Captain Ordo the Null. --AdmThrawn 01:16, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * So then this just duplicates ARC trooper? If so, a redirect is in order. --SparqMan 06:54, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * They're different. Besides, we're going to see more of them in Triple zero.--Xilentshadow900 11:32, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * As I said on the Null ARC captain Talk page, there is no need for any redirects. Admiral J. Nebulax 13:06, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Merging
Are you kidding me? There is no reason for a merge. They were different from the standard ARCs. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:43, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * They were officer ARCs. What's the big deal? There is no reason for this to have its own article. In fact, there is nothing to merge. It is simply redundant. --SparqMan 23:45, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * They're not different enough to get their own article, Jack. Red stripes aren't enough. --AdmThrawn 23:48, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Just red stripes? Admiral J. Nebulax 00:40, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * That's like saying the clone commander article should be merged with the clone trooper article. Or maybe we should merge the ARC trooper article with the clone trooper article. Nope, keep it as is.--Xilentshadow900 00:47, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. This merge is completely unnecissary, even if the only difference was coloring and ranks. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:55, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * No, not exactly. That is not the same at all. ARCs are significantly different enough from Clone troopers to deserve their own article. Take a look at a military encyclopedia and you will not find individual articles for something like "Navy SEAL commander". Can you give a reason for this to stand apart? --SparqMan 01:00, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay: They were captains. Not all ARCs were captains. And if you don't think this is good enough, that's like saying that clone trooper commander should be merged into clone trooper, because "commander" is a rank, like captain. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:02, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * No, those are stringently different. Clone commanders were designed for their specialized roles, received unique training, and fulfilled different combat and organizational roles. Further, a wealth of information is available on them and their role was significant beyond the scope of standard clone troopers. The same cannot be said of ARC captains. --SparqMan 01:11, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * ARC captains were designed for their specialized roles, received unique training, and fulfilled different combat and organizational roles.--Xilentshadow900 11:14, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * SparqMan, I respect you, but the idea of a merge for this page is wrong. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:25, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * We also have pages for clone trooper lieutenants and clone trooper captains. Same thing. This page doesn't need a merge - Kwenn 20:32, 18 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Watch out, SparqMan might end up merging them into clone trooper. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:34, 18 January 2006 (UTC)