Talk:Breast/Archive1

Controversy
Ummm... --Azizlight 01:27, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * They're CANON, dammit! -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 01:38, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * All right, but lets at least semi-protect it. This thing is a going to be a lightning rod for vandals. -- SFH 01:57, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. Semi-protect it. --Zakor1138 02:00, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Nickname? Are they called breasts in a canon source? :-P Cull Tremayne 02:01, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Never mind...still just an excuse for the Oola pic in my opinion. :-P Cull Tremayne 02:02, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Canon source for the name is The Courtship of Princess Leia. That's why it says in ==Sources== . I reckon we could make this a great Wookieepedia page, in all seriousness! --McEwok 02:09, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, just saw that right after I commented. I'm doubtful that this can be a "great" page, but I've been proven wrong before... Cull Tremayne 02:16, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * So, I'm adding this to my watchlist. No particular reason, of course.  --School of Thrawn 101 05:45, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

'''Wow. I really have the urge to gag. This is disturbing. I thought you guys were encyclopediac or something, but I guess not.'''
 * Wow. I really have the urge to gag. This is disturbing. I thought you guys were encyclopediac or something, but I guess not.
 * Since when are anatomically correct aspects of a being's physicality not encyclopedic? --School of Thrawn 101 06:53, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * What's next penis, arm, nail? KEJ 07:19, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Holy cow.... there is a page called penis. KEJ 07:19, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * If it has a canon source, yes. We cannot avoid something simply because it's a touchy subject. --School of Thrawn 101 07:22, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Sure, I don't care if it's a touchy subject or not, but this does warrant the dreaded articles on sand and shirt and so on. KEJ 07:29, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Or...they could all be summed up in a "mother" article that lists such things as various types of soil encountered in the Galaxy...or an article that describes clothing worn by different factions. Or create a bunch of stubs for things like shirts and sand and breasts and other aspects of the Galaxy that are relatively minor influences and contain them in categories that effectively describe them.  Personally, I'm a fan of the "mother" article concept.  A hefty, well-organized article that addresses clothing, for example, could be easily brought up to such a status as to be worthy of good article nomination.  Such an effort would be well within our role as an encyclopedia.  --School of Thrawn 101 07:36, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Bad precedent. Next thing we'll have an article on testicles, urethra and perhaps the all-time favorite, clitoris. QuentinGeorge 07:37, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd say the content of this particular article should be merged with mammal. Btw, interesting that the articles does not refer to Falleen mock mammaries. KEJ 07:40, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Then add it. --School of Thrawn 101 07:42, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No article on nipples, however, for as George says to Carrie - "There are no nipples in space!" QuentinGeorge 07:42, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Nipples are G-canon. - Sikon 08:42, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * When there's enough in canon to warrant an inclusion of penis, we should write it. All I can think of is Palpatine's obviously-compensating-for-something obsession with weapons that can destroy your planet. All I have are a few oblique references to male characters being aroused. We have plenty of canon backing for an article on breasts. DarthIktomi 13:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)DarthIktomi
 * Isn't this Ataru? In which case...what? Cull Tremayne 09:49, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * That twasn't me. Though I do have to agree with the gagging and disturbing part. My urge is to VFD this. ASAP. Atarumaster88  15:44, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmmm... *scratches head* bouncing IP? Cull Tremayne 21:38, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has articles on sexual positions. It's still encyclopedic. I personally don't think it's appropriate, but that's how it is. DarthIktomi 13:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)DarthIkotmi

Improvements for the article

 * Extensive footnoting has been done, but there are still some things I think the article needs:
 * 1) Source and page reference for the TDL Nanny Droid's internal tank: The Official Star Wars Fact File or The Essential Guide to Droids?
 * 2) Source and page reference for Wookiees nursing their cubs.
 * 3) An image of Leia in the bacta tank from Rebellion #5, to illustrate the second section.
 * 4) Some sort of reference for Leia's clothes: we know from OOU evidence and comparison with RotJ that George had Leia's bust minimised, but how do we reference this? I vaguely remember something in Episode I: The Visual Dictionary on Alderaanian fashions?
 * 5) The Oola production sketch from The Art of Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi, p. 21, if this is acceptable to the Admins. Good enough for Nilo Rodis-Jamero should be good enough for Wookieepedia, no?
 * 6) Canon reference claiming Falleen breasts as natural?
 * 7) Pictures of some of the artwork from The Art of Star Wars books.
 * 8) A Picture of Oola's wardrobe malfunction


 * Thanks! --McEwok 12:20, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

What exactly does the following quote mean, and whom is Ben reffering to? "She feels all... mushy". This puzzeles me. Anzati02 00:39, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point, it's a little ambig...if anybody has the source on hand, can you specify within the quote? (nudges McEwok) --School of Thrawn 101 04:21, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The quote is from The Unseen Queen, p. 58. It's Ben's POV with his Force-sense, when he detects Tenel Ka in the next room - she's feeding Allana. --McEwok 10:48, 23 April 2007 (UTC)


 * So...He means that her chest are mushy? Anzati02 14:48, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * He's probably detecting the milk, yes. Why, are you thinking of soup? --McEwok 17:17, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I didn't say anything about Soup. But I will have your soup! Oh yes! I will have it sooner or later. :)Anzati02 19:39, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I say get a better quote. That one just doesn't work very well. —Xwing328 (Talk) 23:38, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, either get a better quote or remove the current one, which is questionable...--The Wolfe22 00:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Disambig
Based on a pointer from Kuralyov, I wonder if we need a disambig page and a second entry on avian anatomy. I'm not sure what page titles we should use, but the second page might go something like:

Breast was a term used in anatomy to denote the chest area of animals, particularly birds. It could specifically denote the plumage of that area, as with the blue-breasted hover ibbot, and it could also be used as a culinary term for a cut of meat: hibbas breast could be served with bofa fruit sauce.

Appearances

 * Coruscant and the Core Worlds
 * Destiny's Way

Anyone want to take the initiative and add in the new page? Or should we just roll this information into the "other species" section? --McEwok
 * If you make the new page...you're stubbing it up pretty bad...I say roll it on in. --School of Thrawn 101 06:48, 26 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Other information to include would be breastbone, breast pocket, and breastplate, all of which are canonical and obviously related to this subject. —Xwing328 (Talk) 23:38, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, since women are in every single work of Star Wars, should the appearance list say "All"? Or should we just have a set of mentions, real, direct appearances, whatever?--The Wolfe22 00:27, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Tags
Oh, my goodness...
 * Until what is canon, and only what is canon is documented in the article, the tags should stay. There is a lot of speculation and original research in the article, not to mention POV. Atarumaster88  02:54, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Since apparently, we are required to discuss issues on the talk page before editing the article (and this rule is where?), here's some things I'd like to see addressed. An example of original research/speculation is "here seems, in contrast, to be little direct evidence for bottle-fed infant formula or wet-nursing, making it hard to assess the extent to which these alternative techniques were used" etc. The original research is the made up stuff or speculated content. An example of disputed factual accuracy is "Similarly, the physique that T'ra Saa, who was a Neti—essentially a sentient tree—assumed in her pseudo-human form can be regarded as consciously chosen, as she was in fact a shape-shifter", etc.- parts of which are true and canon but parts of which aren't. I see that as extending the canon to fill in the gaps- creating a factual discrepancy about what is canon and what isn't. And an example of NPOV is the entire cultural significance section, which basically takes a pro-mainstream Galactic society slant. Instead of just stating the different significances, whatever of breasts in those societies, it makes direct comparisons (and even holds as more significant) the view of mainstream society. To me, that's POV, although I admit that's a little more subjective. I think the reader should be made aware of the various issues in the article, and I would add three tags to it, but apparently adding those is a violation of rules now.  Atarumaster88  22:55, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ataru, to treat your points one at a time.
 * 1) "There seems, in contrast, to be little direct evidence for bottle-fed infant formula or wet-nursing, making it hard to assess the extent to which these alternative techniques were used" etc. The original research is the made up stuff or speculated content. I agree that this is tricky, but it seems fair to assume that synthetic substitutes and nursing by beings other than the mother are known. Leaving them out would be to beg the question&mdash;but I can see your point, and if anyone has the information on the nanny droid's milk tanks, a direct quote would be appreciated!
 * 2) An example of disputed factual accuracy is "Similarly, the physique that T'ra Saa, who was a Neti—essentially a sentient tree—assumed in her pseudo-human form can be regarded as consciously chosen, as she was in fact a shape-shifter". My understanding is that Neti consciously control their physical shape, as described here: A Neti has the innate ability to alter its shape and size at will (emphasis mine). The fact that T'ra Saa appears in the form she does would thus seem to be her decision. Are you disputing the nature of this ability, and if so, why?
 * 3) And an example of NPOV is the entire cultural significance section, which basically takes a pro-mainstream Galactic society slant. Instead of just stating the different significances, whatever of breasts in those societies, it makes direct comparisons (and even holds as more significant) the view of mainstream society. To me, that's POV, although I admit that's a little more subjective. Frankly, I think you're overreacting here. Any prominence given to "mainstream Galactic society" merely reflects the fact that it's a Galaxy-wide interstellar society, as opposed to local or planetary ones. That's an objective, quantitative difference. Nothing more. It serves to structure the section (in a way that is objectively accurate), not to imply a value-judgement. That's my POV, anyway: do you have an alternative phrasing that you think is more NPOV?
 * 4) Also, do you have a page ref. and quote to confirm that Leia nursed the twins?
 * Thanks! --McEwok 21:49, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry for getting back so late on this- I really don't watch this page and this is the first time I've seen this post. As of my last edit to this page, and a cursory look at the current revision, it looks okay to me.
 * 1) All speculation on point number one was removed, so it looks good now.
 * 2) Withdrawn. The wording confused me, but I figured out what it meant. My mistake.
 * 3) I removed the parts on number three that irked me.
 * 4) I will find you a page ref. and quote if needed for Leia. I promise it's in the The Last Command, though the word "breast" never appears, IIRC. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Talk page ) 20:09, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Atarumaster88: No worries on the delay:
 * Thanks. I'd be interested to know if any details are given on the milk-tanks, though
 * No problem!
 * Well, I don't see any issues with the current phrasing, so that's okay.
 * And you did. Great!!
 * Thanks all round!! I also removed the reference to Gran, because it didn't belong in "non-mammals", and I didn't see it belonging in either of the other sections, either. A list of the number of breasts different species have seems slightly superfluous, and there are others, like Gamorrean, that would have to be added. --McEwok 10:40, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

why
I saw the arguement at the top of the page. I think this will straighten it out. Okay, here it goes:

We should not create pages such as: Nail, Head, Hair, Arm, Leg, Butt, Ect... because everybody has them. This article is about a part that only Females have. In reguards to the Male parts: We should not create pages for them unless they are mentioned IN Books, Comics, Games, Ect...

Does that help? Anzati02 21:49, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
 * No, because the argument was settled with the vfd. Don't restart old topics. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Talk page ) 13:41, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Sure thing Boss! =) Anzati02 22:35, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Oh my God... I can't believe there's an article on for breasts.--Gonzalo84 04:56, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Which size is canon - movie or EU?
I'm sorry, but is this really needed? I know this is canon technically, but must we have a section about what size being canon?


 * Hah. I hope I'm not overstepping any boundaries when I say that this page needs a permanent tag. Toprawa and Ralltiir 05:42, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There is no such template. - Sikon 07:36, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Mushy
Um. I don't think I've seen where Ben Skywalker's comment came from. What's the context of "She feels all..... mushy."? Dorsha 23:00, 3 November 2008 (UTC)