Talk:Mandalore the Ultimate

Umm... how could he have succeeded a man that lived 1000 years after him? --Imperialles 21:02, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh crap. Just realized, sorry. --Imperialles 21:04, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Was Ultimate's species really Mandalorian? For some reason I presumed he was a human. - Sikon [ Talk ] 14:47, 9 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * You can see him unmasked on the Mandalorian (species) page. QuentinGeorge 20:28, 19 Oct 2005 (UTC)

KotOR II?
Was he the Mandalore from the 2nd KotOR game? ----Inmobilus 16:32, 19 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * No, that's Canderous Ordo. QuentinGeorge 20:28, 19 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Retconned Helmet
Am I right in thinking that the silver helmet Canderous wore is supposed to be the new retconned version the very same helmet that we see MtU putting on this picture? I keep saying it is, but some people agree with me. Canderous *does* say that it is the helmet that was worn by Mandalore and the "Mandalore who served Exar Kun". Thoughts?
 * There's no need for it to be retconned. It's either likely that a) Mandalore the Ultimate wore more than one helmet or b) Canderous has repainted and rebuilt it after Revan killed Mandalore. QuentinGeorge 21:07, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * By the way, nothing of the visual aspects of Tales of the Jedi has been retconned, despite what the developers of the games may have intended. Both the History of the Mandalorians and the New Essential Chronology still have the same visual depictions of the events. As you can see below:
 * [[Image:Mandalorian Armors.JPG|300px]]
 * [[Image:80Mandalore.jpg|300px]]
 * QuentinGeorge 21:23, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Yeah I've seen those pictures before. Pretty ridiculous trying to marry TotJ aesthetics up with KotOR if you ask me, since the technology looks millennia apart and the Mandalorians call their stuff "state of the art" in TotJ: The Sith War, but whatever. I will continue to take solace in this quote:

"So if you want to argue LucasArts aesthetics vs. the old LucasArts aesthetics, go ahead. Call them about K1. Call them about K2. Do not hesitate. Tell them of the horrible, bloody crimes being committed in their backyard, which they have seen, yet somehow must be mistaken in their decisions. Tell them what fools they are for making that decision and how Star Wars historical accuracy has been ruined for you, sullied, dragged through the dirt. Tell them how it has crippled their reputation in your eyes for centuries, and how it has left a wound in the Force - a wound that echoes still. I think that only then will they see that what they have done is wrong... and that the balance in the Force must be rectified."

- Chris Avellone

Hehe.

As for "more than one helmet"... uh... doesn't that kind of throw the entire "the person who finds the helmet" tradition out of wack? Since there'd be a lot of helmets to find. It would be pretty funny though.

(Ulicus 15:33, 27 May 2006 (UTC))
 * Just a side note: "By the way, nothing of the visual aspects of Tales of the Jedi has been retconned", if that's true, why does the most recent image of Exar Kun feature a very modern looking lightsaber? (217.135.139.111 01:23, 6 June 2006 (UTC))

Canderous = Filthy Liar

 * As can be seen, Ultimate is clearly wearing the same helmet he and Indomitable wore in the Tales of the Jedi comics, not the one Canderous is wearing decades later. Hence, as suspected, Canderous is fibbing about "recovering the helmet of Mandalore the Ultimate". Case closed. QuentinGeorge 21:01, 23 August 2006 (UTC)
 * One can presume that KOTOR comics will touch upon this as the writers stated in the past of the Neo-Crusaders. And this goes without saying, but I see you have yourself a copy of the unreleased comic. You holding out on us? ;) -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 22:22, 23 August 2006 (UTC)