Talk:Darth Maul/Legends

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Why his Saber design is based on Zannah's

 * From Abel G Pena's Grievous articles, we know Zannah wielded a double-bladed red lightsaber. We know that Exar Kun's was blue. The source for Darth Maul's research of his lightsaber design never specifies who he based it on - only that it was a "Sith Lord of the past". It's more likely to be Zannah purely because a) His is red, like hers, and not blue like Kun's and B) Darth Bane created a new holocron when he started his order, and it's quite likely Exar Kun was not even IN the holocron Maul had access to. Regardless, Zannah based her design on Kun's, so the ultimate pedigree of Maul's design still dates back that far. QuentinGeorge 12:45, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * ...Maybe I overlook? Because I just read Unknown Soldier: The Story of General Grievous again and couldnt find a clue about Zannah. Anyway, we know Kun and his tales survived even in Jedi Holocrons, so it is reasonable to expect his tales would survive in the Sith holocrons. Plus, color of blade depends on the crystals only, doesnt affect the design of hilt much. I personally prefer mentioning only Exar's involvement in the article, because it's the only thing we are really sure. Darth Kevinmhk 13:57, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Isn't the bit about Zannah on the Hyperspace supplement to US:TSoGG? Cutch 06:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. And it was confirmed by Abel G Pena. Once again the fact that it was based on Kun's was always fanon - it's never stated anywhere. QuentinGeorge 11:33, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Additionally, Zannah's was a proper double lightsaber like Maul's - Kun's was just two normal lightsabers fused together. QuentinGeorge 11:34, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Observe -


 * Kun's


 * Zannah's


 * Maul's

QuentinGeorge 11:38, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * There is no "proper" double-bladed lightsaber - Kun's saber was modified from a single hilt, it was Zannah & Maul's design which were merged by 2 normal hilts. Maul based on Kun because Kun was - at least for now - the earliest known user and thus by far the most possible inventor. And, by the same rule, Pena didnt directly confirm Maul based on Zannah's, too. Darth Kevinmhk 15:51, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright, I am not a hyperspace member, so I cant read the online supplement. Does Pena confirm that Maul base on Zannah? If not, its canonical value would just be the same as Maul base on Kun. Darth Kevinmhk 15:55, 30 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know of any sources that specify that Maul based his saber on Kun's, but according to Shadow Hunter he did know that Kun was the inventor of the double-bladed lightsaber. Lieutenant Gerard 16:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Zannah's actual hilt isn't known to be what N-K "Necrosis" used for in SWG he's only using one of the two types of double-bladed hilts so that image isn't accurateIvor 16:49, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * "the fact that it was based on Kun's was always fanon - it's never stated anywhere" From "Star Wars- The Ultimate Visual Guide" ; "Darth Maul uses his Master's Sith Holocron to find schematics for devices and weapons- including his double-bladed lightsaber- that he builds for his own personal arsenal. Based on the weapon used by the Sith Lord Exar Kun, Maul's lightsaber is actually two single-bladed weapons that he has joined at the hilts." --Refuse Winst 05:53, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Things to add

 * Although the story is mentioned, the list of Darth Maul's victims does not include those people that he killed in Shadow Hunter. Would someone who has recently read the book expand on it please? If no one does, I'll remove the tag I added before it is displayed. Atarumaster88 19:47, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, I don't have Shadow Hunter, but I know he killed a Twi'lek Jedi Master, his human female Padawan, and this one random guy. There's like nothing in this article about that and I am thinking of just putting a small amount of detail in there to draw attention to get someone to EXPAND IT! Atarumaster88 13:07, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I have read the book and will add it. Ugluk
 * It has been updated but i left the tag up since i assumed i was supposed to. Ugluk

Tatooine and the Chosen One

 * I alluded Maul's knowledge of the Chosen One to the page, but it was changed. That's fine with me, but I think it's important that someone incorporate this into the section somewhere. Page 41 of The New Essential Cronology clearly states that Maul was dispatched not only to prevent the Queen from reaching Coruscant, but to prevent the Jedi from finding the Chosen One. Before my edit, it seemed to imply that Maul was sent to assassinate Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon, which isn't entirely true. Surprisingly, NEC seems to imply that Anakin was the most important asset on Tatooine, and that it was the prime objective for Maul -- despite what TPM may have you believe. Again, I think it's important that we add this to Maul's mission. This section could be expanded to include it, for it's quite brief as it is.
 * Also worth noting is that Maul did not track them to Tatooine using the force, but by a tracing sequence (stated in both TPM novel and movie, I believe). Unless there is a verified source that states Maul tracked them using the Force, I motion for this to be removed. Since this is next week's featured article, I suggest we quickly resolve these issues. Thanks. --Bodknocks 20:48, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Maul was sent to prevent the Jedi from finding the Chosen One doesn't mean Maul really know who or what the Chosen One is. (Maul won't question his master at all anyway, so why should Sidious tell him? Especially Maul was just one of the subsitudes until Sidious could seduce Anakin) Especially when Maul arrived on Tatooine Jinn already found Ani. I don't recall EP1 novel ever has Maul think/talk about the Chosen One. Darth Kevinmhk 02:52, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Whether or not he knew about the Chosen One is irrelevant. NEC says, "[Sidious] dispatched his apprentice Darth Maul in order to prevent the Jedi from meddling with Anakin Skywalker's fate." Maul's entry makes no mention of this, and I think it's important to include it. We don't know if Maul knew about Chosen One, but regardless it was a vital part of his mission. --Bodknocks 04:39, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright, I think we can include it, but I hope it will be in a way not imply Maul knew of the Chosen One, because I really havent find any source to support that yet. Darth Kevinmhk 06:11, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. It should be left ambiguous, just like the section in Palpatine's article... which happens to cover the exact same thing we've been discussing, strangely. Anyway, we should all keep an eye on this entire article and make sure it's primed for next week, where it will be featured. --Bodknocks 07:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)
 * In my original submission to What's the Story for the Dusty Duck, I included that Darth Maul was looking for "the boy", meaning Anakin, but it was changed by the judges for the final entry as Darth Maul looking for the Jedi. ...If that helps. --Hedec Ga 07:05, 03 September 2006

spelling
when i edited the page i spelled falleen and possibly CabaZan wrong could somebody check that? Ugluk

Make up
I suggest adding something that discusses his make up, specifically why he wears it. that was the information I was looking for and was disappointed not to see it.
 * It's tattoos, not makeup. -LtNOWIS 09:49, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * And it is mentioned in-article. They're Sith tattoos. Jasca Ducato Sith Council (Sith campaign)[[Image:SOFD.PNG|20px]] 10:38, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Next time try reading the whole article. Ugluk 02:29, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

List of Kills
Someone needs to find the old list and add it in somewhere, because I liked it, anyone agree?

Can't Darth Maul do Force Lightning? wheres it say he can do force lightning?
 * He certainly can, he just prefers raw power over Force power. As for your list, it would get removed real fast. We already had some List of Duels, which also got removed. List of kills is almost the same thing. - TopAce 17:30, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Not to mention almost all (if not all) of his known kills are already in the article, i know because i added them myself. Ugluk 02:30, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Cyborg maul image
I was on Starwars.com and noticed that the photomasher image this week was of the cybornetic Darth Maul. http://starwars.com/community/fun/photomasher/index.html?id=20060818 What is interesting is that this image differs slightly from the version displayed on this page. The photo masher version has a more Darth Vader like aesthetic to it. Other than that, the image seems almost exactly the same. I thought this was strange and wondered if anyone else might know more about it? -Smeagol 15:26, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Its properly exactly that, a more aesthetic cgi'ed copy of the image, nothing more =] Jedi Dude 15:29, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * After a little more comparison, it seems clear that they are actually entirely unique drawings with a lot of subtle differences. I personally prefer the version that is already in use in this article, though it is lower resolution.  I just wonder where the image masher version came from.  Smeagol 19:30, 19 August 2006 (UTC)

A Question
Did Darth Maul have the power of Battle Meditation? I mean, he killed Qui-Gon Jinn, who was said to be one of the best swordsmen in the Order. People say that was because Qui-Gon was 60 years old and Maul had the advantage of youth and brute strength, but then we have to think of Dooku and Sidious. Dooku is ten years older than Qui-Gon, am I right? Therefore he would have been between 70 and 80 during AOTC, and he fought Obi-Wan and Anakin, both of whom were younger than him (and Anakin was the Chosen One!) and beat them. And who knows how old Sidious was, and he beat three Jedi and held his own against Mace Windu for a while. Granted, Sidious was the Sith Lord, and Dooku was a Sith as well, but seriously! It just all seems messed up.
 * Ep1 novel states the importance of strength and age in the duel, Jinn admitted that Maul had all the advantages over him. Let's not forget that Maul was retconnned to be a Juyo practitioner, a very powerful style which relates in certain aspect to the dark side. Darth Kevinmhk 16:47, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ehhh... still though! --152.38.26.107 19:50, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * well Maul was also better and far more skilled the Jinn.
 * We don't know that. Besides, i believe that Qui-gon was more experienced. Jasca Ducato 14:25, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, Qui-Gon was supposed to be one of the best swordsmen in the Order. Something was up there. (Of course, something was also up when Kenobi beat Maul. Maybe Maul was just tired from fighting Qui-Gon?) --71.52.235.26 20:45, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * We have to remember that in the real world, things just happen regardless of the skill of the people involved. Why should the GFFA be any different? - Angel Blue 451 20:51, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. True. I need to rewatch it, see what exactly led to Qui-Gon and then Tattoo-Face dying.
 * Simple, fluke strikes. Qui-gon was likely planning his next strike and failed to succesfully predict Maul's next move; which was fatal. As for Maul and Obi-Wan, Maul was overconfident, we can tell that Maul knew Obi-Wan was about to do something by the look on the face, just not exactely what. That's all it is. Jasca Ducato 20:45, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Kay. --152.38.26.107 19:34, 18 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I read some things recently that may explain a bit about Obi beating Maul when Qui-Gon couldn't. Some fanfic said something about how when Obi-Wan was separated from the other two by the energy shield thingy, he had time to watch Darth Maul fight. Something in another book implies that Obi-Wan had a very impressive memory... something about him memorizing a map in seconds. So that might have had something to do with it. Of course, that raises more questions, because Qui-Gon had fought him before too. Of course, he had more important things to worry about at the time... such as survival... but... Okay, I give up.
 * When Obi-Wan jumped up out of that pit and sliced Maul in half, he had the element of surprise. Maul wasn't expecting that. Luck contributed to it as much as skill, and maybe a fair bit of cockiness on Maul's part as well, since Jedi and Sith are supposed to be able to see things before they happen to some degree and all that stuff. I don't know about Maul beating Qui-Gon though. He might have had the power of Battle Meditation... After the duel in the desert, Qui-Gon was all sweaty and exhausted, even though he'd fought Maul for only about a minute. He had, of course, been running through the desert before that, but I think he looked all right then. I'll have to check back.
 * Firstly, don't edit other peoples comments. Secondly, it was because Obi-Wan was in the grip of Force Rage that he was able to keep up with Maul, once this subsided he was defeated and almost killed. [[Image:DarthAbeonisSig2.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 20:25, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

plasma complex thing
If Maul was sent to assasinate Qui-Gon and Obi Wan(the article says so),woulden´t it be more logical if he would have waited in some corridor and ambushed the jedi from behind a corner, than he was dumbly standig in the hangar like a boss in a video game :D, waiting for the jedi to come for  him? Hominid 19:15, 22 September 2006 (UTC)


 * But the Sith believe in power above all else (sort of), so Maul wouldn't be afraid of facing the two Jedi, so he'd want to face them head on and not ambush them. Good theroey though ;-) SecondSight 19:17, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Typical overconfident Sith.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 19:20, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Stupid tattoo-face. Idiot that he is, letting himself be killed by a Padawan...
 * Keep opinions off of talk pages. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:45, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * AND PLEASE SIGN COMMENTS! Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 21:28, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * AGH!!! Sorry! I always forget to sign!--71.52.235.26 19:45, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Age
What's the source for Maul being born 54 BBY?
 * TimeTales gives the source as "SW Journal: Darth Maul. [Page 17]" - Kwenn 19:49, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Zabrak?
Is Maul's status as a Zabrak G-Canon?--Etapelba 21:26, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. It wasn't mentioned in the films, and I don't know if GL said anything about it. I think it's C-canon.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 21:30, 29 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I have a feeling that Lucas didn't make Maul & Eeth Koth be the same species. I wonder which book first mentions Maul as a Zabrak?--Etapelba 08:16, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I have a feeling that Lucas did. Jasca Ducato Sith Council (Sith campaign) 09:19, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure, you're probably right. I'm just wondering if it's G-Canon, or if it isn't, which book is it first mentioned. --Etapelba 05:35, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Is about the difference in their appearances? Maul and Eeth Koth are different subspecies of Zabrak.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 05:48, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No. I'm wondering if it's G or C canon. I haven't read the Ep I screenplay or novel. I think that in Saboteur he's only described as an Iridonian and in Shadow Hunter his species isn't mentioned, but in Labyrinth of Evil or Episode III Obi-Wan mentions he's a Zabrak.--Etapelba 20:08, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The Zabrak hail from Iridonia. So a Zabrak is an Iridonian, or vice versa. Jasca Ducato Sith Council (Sith campaign) 20:11, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but does the Episode I novel include that Maul is a Zabrak from Iridonia?--Etapelba 09:44, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't really understand why you want to know that. Many characters' races, seen in the movies, are not really established during the making of the films. That task is often secondary, and backstories of characters, including their race, are established especially for the universe coherence. And the official Databank says Darth Maul is a zabrak, so... Kaal 12:52, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm just curious, sometimes it's hard to know where G-Canon ends and C-canon begins. I assume it's mentioned in the screenplay.--Etapelba 05:05, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Image
That image we have in the infobox...is just plain bad. Do you think we could have a portrait, something along the lines of this - .  .  .  .  22:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I do agree with you. However, I'd rather have the current image then that one. In fact, I prefer this one over both. Any objections? -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 02:49, 21 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Is there one that's a tad further back? .  .  .  .  03:45, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

Title
Why is the title of this article Darth Maul?
 * Erm, because that is his name. That might have something to do with it. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 08:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes but all titles are omitted in the name of an article--Herbsewell 15:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Maul vs. Vader fight canon?
Was this fight made canon? Seems as though it was. Just not sure by what. The non-cannon tags hasn't been in the Anakin/Vader article for a while. If so, they should be removed in this article. TIA -Fnlayson 21:39, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that fight is canon. .  .  .  .  21:54, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, looks like the mention Leland Chee's blog is it. I was expecting a mention in another source. -Fnlayson 22:08, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Lightning
Has Darth Maul ever been canonically noted as being able to use force lighning, and if not would this lead one to believe that his fall to the dark side was not complete as a result of never knowing the lightside of the force as Anakin or Dooku had, among this the only telekenetic power I've noted him as using was force push/pull for retrieving a saber or in TPM when he opened the hangar door... I'm quite interested to know if anything else has been shown in a canon source
 * Well everyone knows that Maul was never a Jedi in the first place, so what understanding he had of the Jedi, and the light side as a whole came from Sidious. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 09:04, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Right my question would be though, I've heard it said that there is a story that has Maul brought to the lightside after his final death, and having a regular force-ghost, so is this possible considering that, through the lack of an apparent ability to use lightning that he still had, in some way shape or form, good in him, considering that his power with the dark side hadn't truly come from hate but from what he was taught?  N.Y.N.E. Comlink[[Image:sithempire2.png|30px]] 18:52, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That sounds like fanon to me and goes totally against his character. I don't think there could be any good in him having been trained from a young child to use the dark side. What's your source? Also, I doubt Maul had yet learned how to preserve himself as a ghost. Sidious would have no reason to teach him that if he himself knew.--DannyBoy7783 09:10, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That is speculation, yes. And as for becoming a Force ghost. I highly doubt it, not in Palpatine knew how to accomplish that; thats why he spent all that time and effort trying to keep himself alive all the way up until 11 ABY. Jasca Ducato 10:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC)

I Felt I Had To
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I stuck in this hyperlink to this Fan Vid because it is an awesome Fan Vid and I consider it an incredibly notable Darth Maul appearance, even though its not canon, so please don't critisice me, just watch it. Its great. Lord Vatrir
 * Wow, I just found out there is a hyperlink to the official website of Contract of Evil, and here I am, putting a hyperlink to watch it on Youtube. This is awkward. Darth Vatrir (Pronounced Va-Trear)

Spy Droids
Can anybody tell me how the spy droids are called which Darth Maul uses in Ep. I to find Obi Wan (I think)?

Cheers Droideka

Darth Maul Concept Section?
I was wondering if we could put a concept section in for Maul. I found an interview with the art designer, Ian McCaig, and it has some great information on Maul's evolution and there are a handful of great pictures that can go with it. A few are concepts of Maul as well as version like him that came earlier. Or perhaps we could make a page on it? I know at this point Maul isn't as important as he was in 1999 but creating a new sith lord for the movies after 20 years was a big deal. Thoughts/opinions? Failing all of that, would it be acceptable to put the images up on McCaig's page as examples of his work? --DannyBoy7783 22:46, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What about creating a gallery for Darth Maul conceptual art? Maybe that would be better. Or if there is a Darth Maul image gallery already I could just add it there.--DannyBoy7783 23:05, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Demolition?!?
Since when was this canon? Cutch 22:08, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No idea, although I believe some appearances in that game are canon - Wade Vox and Aurra Sing, for instance - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 22:19, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It was never stated to be non-canon...and much as I hated to add that Maul was in it, the Prima Game Guide gave a little story about him being spotted by Jabba, as you can see here. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 23:46, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Uff da. Cutch 00:07, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, then ask Leland Chee.--Herbsewell 15:54, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You can if you like but I just have to ask...why? It's in 2 canon sources, and it's not like it would be the first time he came back or anything so I hardly think it's contradicting anything. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 00:23, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not really supporting that notion. I'm just coining the phrase many wookieepedians have seem to adopted.--Herbsewell 00:51, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

Who's bright Idea was this
This Image is kinda blurry and makes Maul look like a clown. the former one is much better Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 20:45, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Considering your past presentations of infobox images, I do not think you are really qualified to give your input on an image. Image is exactly like Luke Skywalker image...oh wait...never mind. Of course you don't like it...-- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] Talk 20:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't like ity because it'sa poor Image. it cuts his head off. and for Maul the tint is all wrong. it makes him look stupid. I loved the New Grevious Image however Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 21:10, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's the best one we've got. The previous one sucked. The image is actually extremely high-rez. (I think this is the 50th time I'm saying this) Get your monitor fixed. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] Talk 21:21, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * My Moniter is fine. the Image is Bad. Just like Lukes. and it's not just quality of picture. it's centering and position as well (especaily when it comes to Lukes) Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 21:37, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The image quality is fine, yes. But I agree with Tnu, sort of. That image is too much of a close-up. It's so close, it cuts off the bottom of his chin and the top of his head. We can't even put one on Boba Fett that chops off the tip of his jetpack. This needs to be zoomed out. I'll see if I can find a better image, and propose it here on the talk page. Maclimes Zero''' (talk) [[Image:Infinite_Empire.png|10px]] 21:45, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Excellent, I don't even have to upload anything, because we already have a perfectly good promo shot. I recommend we use this one. Any objections? Maclimes Zero''' (talk) [[Image:Infinite_Empire.png|10px]] 21:53, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It sucks. We don't want a "perfectly good" image. We want the perfect image. And as sure as hell isn't that one. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] Talk 21:55, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That's your opinion by the way.--Herbsewell 21:57, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And their opinion on the current one isn't just their opinion? Can't use that excuse here, kid. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] Talk 21:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * LOL Tell us how you really feel. ;) Frankly, I'm not a huge fan of it, but that extreme close-up image is not the perfect image either. So we're still in the same boat. Maclimes Zero''' (talk) [[Image:Infinite_Empire.png|10px]] 21:58, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Shouldn't there be a vote?--Herbsewell 21:59, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Option 1

 *  Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] Talk 20:59, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Option 2

 * 1) [[Image:DarthAbeonisSig2.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 20:56, 30 December 2006 (UTC)