Talk:Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords

Deleted content
Are characters and locations from the deleted content canon? For example, can we assume that M4-78 the droid planet, the HK droid factory on Telos, and Lonna Vash's Padawan Kaah Ohtok actually existed? - Sikon 11:24, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I don't think so... If it wasn't officially released, it can't be canon. --200.165.193.133 03:31, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Quit deleting Dezanti Zhug, he is not fanon! Go to Dxun, he is the leader of the 3 Duros whose ship is shot down by Tobin, and he attacks you!JustinGann 21:34, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * He's not fanon, but I see no reason to separate him from the other Zhugs. - Sikon [ Talk ] 03:16, 26 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Because, its a list of all New Characters, including every single named character in the game. Two of the Zhug brothers are given names.  Should all Mandalorians be listed just as "Mandalorians" under new characters, rather than their individual names?  "Zhug brothers" is not a new character, it is an organization--they are not all really brothers.

I agree... I would delete anything that has not been officially published in books, games, etc... Even thought there is cut content, they should not be treated as cannon. There concept at the end can change. There may be other reasons why the cut content was removed. You never know, their whole concept could change drasticaly before they are published; therefore they should not be cannon... 

M4-78 is considered canon because it was mentioned in Medstar: Intermezzo. However, the events on M4-78 that were cut from the game cannot be considered canon. Ace Venom 22:26, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

^^^^ I also believe that if M4-78 is not mentioned in the Star War's EU databank, they should not be considered canon. The Star Wars EU databank is monitored by Lucas, and he only recognizes very few stories as cannon. Therefore, any cut content is not cannon until Lucas recognizes them in his EU Databank... Until you read otherwise, I would not post anything that is not from the EU Databank...


 * The last I checked, the EU databank didn't have everything. Are you saying characters such as Zekk shouldn't be considered canon just because they aren't in the EU databank?  Sorry, but that's a poor argument.  I pretty much pointed out where M4-78 was referenced in canon. Ace Venom 22:40, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

At the moment, Zekk doesn't have any stories. He is only a supporting character. Plus Zekk was in the movies, so he is considered a Star Wars species. He doesn't need to be recognized by EU only by the main Star Wars Database.. M4-78 is EU, but it has not been recognized by the EU Database... 
 * There are a great many supporting characters in the Databank. And besides, Zekk is a major character in the Dark Nest Trilogy. Face facts, the Databank is woefully incomplete, but the info it does have on there is canon. That doesn't mean any info not yet on there is not canon. Before they added General Grievous, was he not canon, just because he hadn't been added at that point? No. - Kwenn 22:52, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

I dissagree.... Until Lucas makes it official, by posting it up at the EU Databank, I would not consider it cannon. 
 * But that's a minor quibble only. Until we are actually told M4-78 is canon, it's best to assume it is. Ace Venom 22:56, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * In case you hadn't noticed, the Databank is not maintained by Lucas himself. He's not that devoted to his Saga - Kwenn 22:57, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

It is not edited by Lucas, but he has the final say about what goes up on the Databank. Mara Jade was not recognized for many years. Lucas decided to make Mara EU Cannon, for her popularity and stories grew. M4-78 has not been recognized. Second, assumptions are from nieve thinking. Assumptions will only get you into trouble, Facts are facts... Until Lucas places them in the EU Databank, or make some statement about them, I would not consider them canon. Even though there are books on extensive EU characters, I would not consider them canon until Lucas makes them cannon. He is very biased and protective about his Star Wars universe... Don't make assumptions... 
 * It's you who are making assumptions. Lucas does not regulate the Databank - it's added by the site webmasters, with content vetoed by Lucas Licensing - not the man himself. Trust me on this one; Lucas does not get that involved in the Saga. And have you noticed there are NO KotOR II entries on the Databank? Does that mean the entire game is non-canon? Or how about Rogue Squadron? And none of the film battles are on there either. Is the Battle of Yavin not canon now? - Kwenn 23:06, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Lucas does regulate the EU Databank. KotOR II has not been recognized, for there have been inside issues and politics about the series. There has been no official word as to the state of the KotOR Series. It is a well known factor that Lucas regulates what makes up Star Wars... Very well known... M4-78 is not in KotOR II. It was cut and remains on the cutting room floor. It is nothing! 
 * Lucas is a movie writer and director. He is NOT a webmaster, and he does not have to veto every element of the Saga. Trust me, I know what I'm talking about. And yes, KotOR II has been recognised, because for one thing, it's in the New Essential Chronology. You're deluded - Kwenn 23:13, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

I can see that this debat is going no where... I would be very careful to tread on this issue. M4-78 is not cannon... Period... Please Note: I have read several EU books, and I don't consider them as cannon. Until they are recognized, they are just simple Star Wars stories that hold no weight to Lucas's vision of Star Wars... Therefore, they are not cannon... Period..
 * They are not canon from your point of view. But I agree, this will get us nowhere. However, please abide by the view of canon taken by the majority while posting on this Wiki; which is, anything that doesn't contradict the movies is canon - Kwenn 23:19, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Anything that is not recognized by the creator of Star Wars is not cannon. I would not make assumptions it shows the lack of logic...
 * I'm not making assumptions; that's the official canon policy adopted by LucasFilm, and also adopted by this site. You may not agree, but again, please abide by it over your own biased opinions - Kwenn 23:23, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Get over it man! It is what it is... All the Cut Content in this game is not Cannon... 
 * Possibly. But wait a minute....information from cut scenes from all three prequel movies is in the Databank, so surely you must consider that canon? On second thoughts, don't answer that. Just leave it, kid, it's not worth it - Kwenn 23:26, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Please scroll up. I really don't care about the cut material in the game in this case.  M4-78 is canon because it was mentioned in Medstar: Intermezzo.  I already mentioned this.  I figure any more debate here will yield nothing else. Ace Venom 23:41, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)

At the moment, I am doing research on what Lucas Films considers cannon. I am looking up articles, statement, etc... Until we have a definitive answer, it would be unwise to consider any of the cut content as cannon... I will post my findings either way, and we will continue the debate.. I think we all need solid facts about what Lucas considers cannon...

Here is an intresting find, and I think it is connected to this site as well: http://www.answers.com/topic/star-wars-canon It would apear that games are considered N-Canon... Therefore, KotOR II is not Canon at all... It also states references, which I will hit the library and find. G-Canon is absolute cannon. Only the various forms of the movies are considered absolute cannon. If this is the case, and since the cut content has not been in movies or has been completed, it is all considered non-canon. It says game stats, and anything that contridicts the Star Wars films. 'True Sith' is a contridiction to the films and foundation of STar Wars... They are mentioned in the KotOR series... Therefore, they are not cannon...
 * Just a quick nitpick: answers.com is a mirror of Wikipedia. It is no more an official source than this wiki. Besides, that article refers to games as being generally C-canon, with the exception of gameplay mechanics -LtNOWIS 01:44, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * You want proof? Right: Holocron continuity database questions on the Official Site. Read the last two pages. For reference, 'Tasty Tate' is Leland Chee, Database Content Administrator, Lucas Licensing, and basically the authority on canon and continuity issues - Kwenn 09:55, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)

What is intresting it that this debate is about "Cut Content'... I have to submit that games are considered C-Cannon... N-Connon covers game stats... Now, M4-78 is mentioned in a magazine. There is question about if it is cannon or not... After heavy debate, I can only say that it is inconclusive. However, it is very clear that the other 'Cut Content' is not cannon. Since the current state of the 'Cut Content' is on the cutting room floor, there can not be anything to support it as cannon. If the 'Cut Content' was built in game, and was apart of the final product, then it would be considered C-Cannon. Since this is not the case, the 'Cut Content' "can not" be considered cannon in it's current condition. In order for the 'Cut Content' to be considered cannon, it has to meet the following: "It must be a 'completed piece', which belongs to a type of media: Movies, Games, Books, etc. If the 'Cut Content' was apart of the game, and was not deleted, then it would be considered cannon. 


 * I just want to point out that the "cut content" in KotoR2 primarily isn't content left out due to a change of design. The vast majority of it was cut due to the fact that the game was rushed through development so that it could be finished in under a year. The wikipedia entry explains it in a bit more detail and there's hundreds of threads on the Obsidian Entertainment forum about it. Cut content should be put in articles as "potential canon" imho such as in the background sections of their specific character/world articles. Which it seems has been done on quite a few of the characters already. --Cory--

You said something that I do agree with... If the 'Cut Content' is put on the page, it should be put under a heading that says "Potential Cannon"... Yes, I can agree with this. However, I would put an explination about why it is considered 'Potential Cannon'. -Or, 'Unofficial (Fan) Cannon'... As long as it is not taken or labled as 'Absolute Cannon', I can see this as a resolution to this problem. When it becomes 'Official Cannon', the header can be removed... I would bot mention anything about the 'Restoration Teams', for they do not hold a licsence for this game. There could be legal matters involved...

Is it me, or is  a Supershadow freak or what? User:RushinSundaws 8:08, 27 February 2006


 * It's just you

Just as a side note to  I believe it's canon, a "cannon" goes boom, canon does not. I believe another user pointed this out on another talk page so this is giving credit to you because i forgot your username SSupa 05:11, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Revan's Quest
Correct me if I'm wront, but as far as I know it has never been said that Revan disappeared to fight the Sith Empire. This would also be kind of strange, since if you choose to tell the game that it's predecessor ended with a Dark Side victory (which is possible with the dialogues at the beginning) this would make no sense at all. Above all: the stuff that Kreia was talking about, that "unknown threat" cannot be the Sith Empire, simply because everyone knows they are around. If you want my opinion, Revan set out to look for the Yuuzhan Vong. Several hints to the Yuuzhan Vong can be found in the game, Revan knows of these hints, and to me this is the most logical assumption. Any thoughts on this one? Tulon 16:45, 23 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Wasn't there an even older Sith Empire that was lost? also what hints? i didn't notice any Hopefuly the next game (are they making one?) will be about where Revan went, and you'll be able to play as both Revan and The Exile. Tyler [no account yet]


 * No, Revan went looking for the First Sith Empire (the one of Naga Sadow and Tulak Hord etc.) And it does still make sense if Revan fell to the dark-side. He'd want to remove the First Sith Empire as a threat to his Sith EMpire for a start. If you play the game through properly and pay attention it all makes sense. Jasca Ducato 14:46, 25 April 2006 (UTC)

I like the Vong theory, as we may suppose that Canderous had a run-in with a Vong scout-ship, but Revan did go after the "Old Sith." He perceived it a great threat. That's actually the reason he attacked the Old Republic. He didn't see them as strong enough to ward off such an immense threat, and wanted to unite them under a strong Sith banner. He didn't want the destruction of the Republic, as evidenced by Malak giving the order to destroy Telos and Canderous convincing Carth that it was actually Malak instead of Revan.--PhilCarr 14:13, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Just a thought, I think that the video games listed here should be written in third person views of walkthroughs (canon version). Of course all second person (you kill a few sith and open a door) wouldn't be acceptable. This page would be written as a third person walkthrough of a male Jedi that follows the path to the light as a (insert canon Jedi type here, not sure if he was a guardian, consular, or sentinel). Sounds great to me.--PhilCarr 14:13, 12 June 2006 (UTC)

Reven is canonicly Female not Male but I agree about the 3rd person views.--Master Plo Koon 14:39, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Revan is canonically male and canonically spelled "Revan". - Sikon [ Talk ] 18:25, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The Exile is female. That's probably what he meant.Darth Ceratis 02:00, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * i dont like the idea of referring to the exile as female. just because some obscure droid book referred to the exile as a "heroine" he/she shall now be forever referred to as female? and when is it assumed that the exile or revan choses the path of the light side? wouldn't it be best if both paths were treated as being just as likely to occur?

It has been stated in Destiny's Way that Vergere was the one to bring the vong upon the galaxy 50 years prior to when they actually invaded, so 4000 years before that there would be no Vong anywhere near the Star Wars Galaxy. 68.190.218.41 01:37, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I haven't read that book, does the author state that, or does the character say it? Because Canderous's possible run-in with the Vong could have easily been lost over the ages. And to whomever deemed the Exile male, where does it say that? We only have a source for the female one to work with, even if the male story is more interesting. Darth Zaktius 01:56, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Downie 15:13, 27 March 2008 (UTC)== New Version ==

I've been playing KOTOR II a lot, noticing bugs, and reading all this stuff about the deleted content, and an idea popped in mind. LucasArts is a little scared that there might not be a KOTOR III due to the bad reviews of KOTOR II because of everything that was deleted and bugged. My idea is: what if Obsidion went back, fixed the bugs, added the popular deleted content, and released a re-mastered and restored version of KOTOR II? It would definately boost sales and fans will grovel for a KOTOR III. Jedi Striker 16:57, 01 October 2006 (UTC)
 * LucasArts and Obsidian have both moved on from KOTOR II. I'd be in complete shock if anything else was done. And besides, Lucasarts had already turned down the idea of a Content patch. And LucasArts knows as well as anybody that releasing KOTOR III will be a hit no matter what they did or didn't do. Also, fans are groveling for KOTOR III anyway. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Uglykotoricon.svg|15px]] 21:16, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * This may be true, but a group of people under the name of Team Gizca, have been restoring the game. Jeust wanted to mention that. User: Uric Dracus 09:20, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, what Team Gizka is doing is excellent, but I don't think their additions will be considered canon. Unless, of course, those cut bits are mentioned in a future game or something. Then we can add it here. VictoryClassWoman 02:48, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * The only thing that can be considered canon that TG is restoring is the Goto/Remote scene and that at best is ambiguous. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 02:55, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Team Gizka is also bringing back the HK-50 Factory, that should be considered canon as HK-47 mentions in the game, it is only not included because LucasArts rushed Obsidian Entertainment. ~Mike Que-Kara

Just for the kotor fans that don't already know at Joystiq it was confirmed that there will be a KOTOR III. Do you think it could be about Revan and the Exile fighting the Sith or even possibly Revan's and/or the Exile's backstory?(preferrably and, or Revan) Let me kow what you think. -- Darth Nezzera


 * I happy to hear dat, when will it come out i loved the first and tried to play it as many times as i could cause i hadnt bought the 2nd one. now i got it and i like it. i think it will be baout some other jedi's but with some plot involved with revan and the exile, and some of the previous characters too.  who knows we might run into mission from the first game.–—hio

How to refer to the Exile?
I read this article and noticed that in the "plot summary" section, the Exile is consistently referred to in third person plural. Shouldn't it be third person singular ("she", not "they"), being that the Exile is confirmed to canonically be female, or is it simply meant as a technical plot summary retelling the story of both the male and female storyline? I was just wondering; the article for Knights Of The Old Republic 1 refers to Revan as male, after all, following the canonical establishment. Mediatingmentor 13:41, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that's cause no one has rewritten the plot summary to conform to the new information regarding the Exile's gender. --Imp 13:43, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Would it be okay for me to do so, then? --Mediatingmentor 13:48, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Why of course, this is a wiki after all! Welcome, by the way! I'll throw up some links that should prove informative on your talk page. --Imp 13:50, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The plot summaries were written by different people. This one was written by me, and frankly, I'd prefer it unchanged. It's an OOU article, and changing Exile's gender may give the person looking for game information the false impression that Exile's gender isn't customizable. I think the K1 plot summary should be changed to gender-neutral, too. - Sikon 14:05, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

The walkthrough is written from 1 point of view out of the 6 (LS/Neutral/DS Male LS/Neutral/DS female) and makes many game choices seem as if they are fixed. This could give people who have not actually played the game wrong impressions about what actually happens, and if someone is trying to actually play the game off this, they would probably have trouble. Azzt Rhell 20:20, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Exile and Handmaiden Training Scenes
Is it true that they practice with as little clothes as possible, or something to that effect? If so, can i have some pictures? I don't mean this as a pervert, this is the only thing keeping my mother from getting me this game.Thanks! Ciago92 16:31, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, you and Brianna basically fight in nothing but underwear. I don't have the game installed at the moment, though, so I can't post a picture. Try asking at WP:IR. - Sikon 05:07, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Image
I think the image of Peragus II should be brightened some. On my computer, it looks like a bunch of dark brown and black with some blue-green and a white box. Is there supposed to be more detail? Geekboy42 00:57, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

That's just your computer or internet connection. It looks fine to me. -Bredd13

Alphabet

 * Does anyone object to changing the alphabet headings of the added content section to just bold letters? It's wasting space in the table of contents. Bredd13 04:22, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I object to it. Having it on the table of contents makes it easier to edit. -  Yoshi  626 [[Image:Yoshiegg.jpg|20px]] 23:09, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * As you wish. --Bredd13 (I am not logged on)
 * Ok, how about this? We leave the headings, but place some pictures next to the table of contents (only one or two), so that it isn't blank space. We could do the same for the blank space in the Added Content section (pictures of added content). Bredd13 22:06, 11 December 2006 (UTC)

Planets Visited by The Exile
Do we have any idea as to the order she visited them in? I was thinking about that one part where your looking at the old record of your exile from the Jedi Order and it lists the Jedi Masters one by one. prehaps that's the order she locates them in? could someone pull up a dlg tlk file? Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 20:59, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

Revan's two Lightsabers
When the Exile finds the sarcophagus of Ludo Kressh on Korriban, she finds a vision of Darth Revan wielding two lightsabers. In the first Knights of the Old Republic, Revan (when he is shown in flashbacks as a Sith Lord) only has one.

But if you go to Revan's page his picture shows him wielding two lightsabers for his main picture.
 * So why is this trivia in here? Lord Titze the Dark Wanderer 23:58, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That picture is from the vision. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 00:00, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Sith Troopers
i think there should be a section shows all the generic unnamed enemies ye fight (e.g. sith trooper or generic sith lord on dxun). obviously with some pics. incidentaly i cant find a pick of them unnamed sith lords, where might i find one?
 * Buy the game, then take screenshots. --ForceWound 18:44, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Aurebesh translation
Should we add a Aurebesh translation from the game in the Trivia stub?

--JediNerd16 18:50, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Force Net
I'v had kotor 2 for ages and ages however I would sometimes get into a conversation and then get a good point and a evil point but sometimes i would get a third picter saying force net change i dont under stand what dose this mean. User:Kami-Sama, By the way sorry for the wordy question it's jus i dont no how to explain it better.
 * First off, this isn't the place to ask these questions. Might be better to try a site that is directly related to gaming with walkthroughs and all that junk. Second, it means that when you get both DS and LS points, the net change is what you get the most of. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 13:34, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

The three masters at the rebuilt Enclave
What happens if you kill all three Jedi masters before you visit the rebuilt enclave? Do you have to go there, or not, and what happens to Kreia, does she leave for the polar academy? Any explanation would be very helpful.
 * If you kill them all you talk to Kreia and she says that now that the Sith have revealed themselves all remaining Jedi will gather at Dantooine. You go there but there is no one there (Even though Bastila is still alive). Then Kreia talks to you and says she is disappointed in you for falling or something (Sorry I can't remember) and force chokes you (I think) that makes you unconcious. She then goes on and on until she leaves and the Exile wakes up and you automatically learn Force Choke. You then go to the Ebon Hawk where you tell Atton that Kreia is evil. Atton tells you she has gone to the Polar Academy (She takes Handmaiden if you have her) and she said you died. The Mysterious Droid 03:38, 25 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, When Kreia leaves the player unconscious in the Jedi Enclave, upon awakening, the player learns Force Crush, not force choke. Also, earlier in the conversation with Kreia after discovering an empty Enclave Chamber, Kreia regards the player and his/her actions as a failure no matter what you say in that conversation. Any conversation choice will lead to her telling the player that he/she has utterly failed her and her teachings and subsequently renders the player unconscious. --ForceWound 18:42, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Peragus Picture
Can we get a photo of the inside of Peragus?Maxi6 01:12, 11 December 2007 (UTC)Maxi6

hi
Where do you go to get a crystal for a purple light saber? - 68.14.17.81 1-18-08 - 11:58pm


 * First of all, sign your comments. Secondly, almost all of the items in the game spawn randomly across the board, so there is no way to pinpoint a violet crystal in any particular box. If you go to the crystal caves on dantooine and don't find one in the Kinrath den, then you're prolly not gonna find one on your own. However, you could always cheat... thus achieving your goal immediately with little effort. To Cheat your way into getting a violet crystal, you must do the following: Press the Tilda button (~) then type: giveitem then a space, then type: u_l_colo_05 then hit enter. It should be like this: ~giveitem u_l_colo_05


 * I belive the Salvage shop rum by the woman at the Salvager Camp has a purple crystal for sale. NaruHina 03:57, 12 May 2008 (UTC)

when you type the cheat, however, the text does NOT read on the screen, as was in KOTOR I. So what you're typing will not show up visually. To make sure you did it right, just check your items and look for the violet crystal in your inventory. --ForceWound 05:16, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Where do u find a lens?
Ive been looking all over 2 find a lightsabre lens do you guys know were to find one (the lens needed 2 make a lighsabre not an upgrade lens)?
 * I'm pretty sure you can't just find any of the parts needed to construct the lightsaber, since all of the items in the game that appear in the containers are random. I think you have to actually complete some missions to get the needed parts. --ForceWound 22:23, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Information on sequel
I found some links pointing to a confirmed sequel:



"BioWare was also listed as developers on an upcoming Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic game, which is not an MMO."



"We’ve just gotten the first official snippet of news about a Knights of the Old Republic sequel in ages, with a recent EA Analyst’s report indicating that not only is Bioware making another Mass Effect, Dragon Gate and a new, untitled MMO, they’re also working on a KOTOR game."



"The analyst from Electronic Arts also stated though thaat BioWare is currently in control of a new Knights of the Old Republic title. This is huge news as this basically confirms the existence of a KOTOR 3 for the next-gen consoles.

It is known that BioWare and LucasArts were working on a new project, and KOTOR appears to be it!"

There are plenty more were that came from. (- -) 09:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

No, it's not a confirmation. Get past the hype and note the only official statement in quotes that I've seen.

"The slide in John's presentation is titled 'Best Creative Talent'--it addresses future and past titles," EA told Shacknews. "KOTOR, Black, Boogie, Skate and some other titles on the slide speak to past portfolio releases and the pedigree of the studio but do not specifically address future sequels."

http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/51314

So, no, we know nothing more than we already did. BioWare may be making KOTOR III. But they also may not be. For that matter Obsidian might be making it. Or nobody might be making it all. I've seen stuff like this before. Don't get your hopes up through the misinterpretation of a document that includes past, present, and future titles. --Niirfa-sa 19:49, 14 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, but just because that particular report doesn't confirm it, doesn't mean that no other report does. Don't assume that everything those links talked about is from what you are talking about. (- -) 01:17, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Check your sources. From the first one: "BioWare was also listed as developers on an upcoming Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic game, which is not an MMO." From the second one: "with a recent EA Analyst’s report indicating that not only is Bioware making another Mass Effect, Dragon Gate and a new, untitled MMO, they’re also working on a KOTOR game." These both take their evidence from the analyst's report but this was revealed, as I noted above, as a misreading - as the analyst themselves said. Here's from the last one: "There is no fact to this yet as it is still all a rumor, no confirmation has come from the EA camp officially." Note that it admits it is a rumor.

And no need to say sorry. I'd be happy to see a KOTOR III as well. But these aren't confirmations. They're rumors.--Niirfa-sa 18:43, 15 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Also check this report. Everything EA has officially said on the subject says it was a mistake. It's possible they're lying. But either way it's not a confirmation. http://play.tm/story/16168 --Niirfa-sa 18:49, 15 February 2008 (UTC)

Planets
I added Ithor and Alderaan as mentioned-only planets - is that okay? Mira mentions them on Malachor V. Yinyang 17:05, 19 February 2008 (UTC)