Talk:The Force/Legends

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Removed the "Force Push" picture, because 1: it was ripped from the Power of the Jedi d20 sourcebook (not that I care, but hey), and 2: the picture was referring to the "Force Light" power, not the force push. --Xhysa 02:46 28 Jan 2006 (GMT)

This page has some NPOV problems. The most recent Wikipedia version has some good fixes for the same problems. --SparqMan 12:32, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)

In regard to the sides of the Force, shouldn't dark side and light side be written in lowercase? That seems to be the Expanded Universe accepted standard. Lieutenant Gerard 19:40, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, other articles have them in lowercase... --Master Starkeiller 12:22, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I always thought opposite was the standard (and to be fair there are just as many spelling them uppercase as there are lowercase)...though now that I check the Databank, it does put them in lowercase. ...Well this is a bit shocking. MarcK 12:34, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Officially, it's lowercase it seems... Shouldn't it be in lowercase in the whole Wiki then? --Master Starkeiller 14:27, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)

This may be presumptuous of me, but I think this article needs a bit of work to reword and rearrange the information so it is more comprehendible. Is anyone opposed to drastic reorganizations? Oh, and here is a sample article which might be usable to quote GL on the Force being like symbiotes/cancer. Perhaps that thought could be turned into IU information too? Or does that seem like a bad thing to do? --Culix 14:49, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * It would be a good thing to reduce the redundant repetitions of many things in this article. It became rather obnoxious reading when the same things were repeated over and over again (most noticeably the quotes, I think, but definitely not limited to them). I believe the article would be significantly shorter and possibly easier reading if the repeated aspects were simply referenced/linked to more specific articles or article sections. --213.216.199.18 01:23, 10 June 2006 (UTC)

Remove tags
There, I have cleaned up the article, fixed tense, and removed OOU as best I could. I would like to submit this article to have the and  tags removed. I'd feel kind of blasphemous doing it myself, so do we have any other votes? --Culix 02:09, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * If you've taken care of the problems, feel free to remove them yourself. Tis what a wiki's all about. MarcK 02:11, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks, done. It looks like SWWiki logged me out though before I hit Save. I don't suppose there is a way to re-credit my login for the change?

'Frankly, my dear, I don't give a damn'
Edited this out because it didn't have anything to do with the article in question. Whispering 01:35, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Light Side, Dark Side, Force Powers Quotes?
Should the quotes be taken from those articles and added into these sections, or leave it as is?--LandoSystem1138 04:33, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Main image
Anyone else thing we need a better main image than this? Kuralyov 21:56, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I liked it when I first saw this page. It was like "Hey, that IS the Force!" (Ulicus 00:07, 10 June 2006 (UTC))
 * Well, what picture would you propose? -Lord vader1414 16:59, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Could use a better caption, though. Doesn't seem that great. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 00:38, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Use a picture of Yoda or Luke or someone lifting an object. Like a picture of Yoda lifting the X-Wing out of the swamp. Sith Penguin Lord 20:02, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

You gotta be kidding me
This is all the discussion on the force? the article is huge and has so much info but no one disscuses it --Dumac 03:09, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it's a very well writen article. It has very few mistakes (on purpose, I'd imagine), and very little contriversy. If you have a question, feel free to ask it. -Lord vader1414 17:01, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Problem with the article
This article is very repetitive, as even certain statements are almost completely duplicated. --Shon Kon Ray 00:03, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

Move to Force?
Subject. - Sikon 09:38, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think so, its never seems to be refered to as force, oh thinking about it force powers etc. hmmmm. I still think stick with the force Jedi Dude 10:32, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Jedi Orthodox =True nature of the Force
Sure its heavily implied thorughout canon, but since we have stuff like the Potentium and the Gray around to complicate things, should it not be included in the article that the official standpoint is that the Jedi Orthodox philosophy reflects the true nature of the Force?DarthMRN 18:19, 11 November 2006 (UTC) Understanding of the Force requires understanding of all possible arguements that could be made about it, right or wrong. Furthermore, Qui-Gon was believed to be a grey Jedi by some, and yet his view, at odds with the Orthodox, seems to have been referenced as a correct way of viewing the Force as well.

Number of Force users / population
Is there any information on this? How many people have potential on a given planet?

Force Using Organizations
Shouldn't the Morgukai be included in the alphabetical listing of Force Users,or are they considered a subcaste of the Sith? Sochwa 07:36, 31 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well seeing as they didn't use the Force...they shouldn't be either. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 13:23, 31 December 2006 (UTC)

Potentium picture
I don't see the relevance between the large caption and the pic of the Jedi. There is nothing connecting the two. --Eyrezer 05:53, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

Unifying Force
What's the definition of the Unifying Force?... theres nothing on the article about it besides being the counterpart of the Living Force.--Gonzalo84 01:45, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's mixed in somewhere with the Potentium. That shouldn't be in my oppinion.  While the Potentium did believe in the Unifying Force, so did the Jedi Council.  It needs it's own section just like the Living Force. Jedigeneral 14:38, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Symbols
Are there any symbols associated with using the force?--Herbsewell 19:15, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Sunesi View
Under the "different views" of the Force section, somebody should proably include the fact that Sunesi Force-users believe that the Force is a gift to them from the Maker.

First Picture
The first picture of "Obi-Wan Kenobi and Anakin fighting using the force" looks to be just two fans with their hands out in a city street, why is this there?

Alter, Control, and Sense

 * What happened to them? I recall these concepts being a very important part of the Force for decades (probably as long as the WEG Star Wars RPG has been around), and yet I can't find anything on Wookieepedia about them. Dyne 19:13, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Quote
I kinda like the quote "My ally is the force, and a powerful ally it is." -YodaTru veld 15:23, 17 August 2007 (UTC) Kgrimes2 Talk 22:47, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I second this quote. Bioevil087  ( Mara’s Ex )[[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] 15:33, 17 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good quote to open the article with. --

Balance
Should't we add in the introductory paragraph that the Force was brought into balace in 4 ABY, as the article states in the Behind the scenes section that the Jedi view of the Force is the correct one? --Master Starkeiller 15:20, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Also the Dark side philosophy part seems one-sided because not all Sith worked tp increase their own power i.e Jacen Solo.Which is why I placed the template under the headingDarth Rayze 03:07, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Jacen Solo hasn't worked to increase his own power? Have you read Sacrifice? - JMAS 03:13, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

All sith eventually end up seeking power. If they no longer want it, they are likely to turn from the dark side, for lust for power sustains it.--216.210.97.64 05:21, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

If you kill all sith the light side of the force will be stronger than the dark. this is not balance! This is

Greater Force and Lesser Force
The description of these two force types doesn't really include a cohesive definition of each theme independent of the other, nor does it include a cognitive depiction of the interaction between the two forces, how they are used, how they are expressed in the universe, and so on. This section really needs to be clarified.

Yeah, I don't understand it. So are there only four views of the Force (Light, Dark, Potentium, and Living), while the next section about the Philosophy of the Force is separate? It seems like views such as Greater/Lesser Force are parts of the other views of the Force, rather than being its own view. However, Treya's Insidious Force view is probably her own school of thought. So maybe there are five views/theories/schools of thought? -76.105.7.214 08:24, 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Where the heck is this Greater/Lesser Force stuff coming from? In the absence of sources, I would like to move to delete.

Past tense?
Why not use present tense to describe the Force? After all, I see no evidence for the Force actually being gone in canon. And what about the Jedi and Sith? Rickyrab 03:43, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Because it all happened "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...." I'd imagine.

Another view of the force.
I read in a book that there is another type of the force that is not just Light and Dark but more of overall view of the force. One where you can visualize an object and it will appear before you. Is this the Potentium or some other view of the force? --Jedi Xourab 18:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC) MTFBWY


 * Well, another view of the Force besides Light and Dark would be the gray Jedi, but you probably already knew that. Or a species such as the Miraluka that can see through the Force maybe is what your talking about? Aqua Unasi 22:43, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I believe I read it in a book called Rouge PlanetJedi Xourab 18:59, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Life Extension
Shouldn't something be mentioned on this page about how Force-users(or, at least, Light-side Force-users) have longer lifespans than normal? I seem to recall hearing that some humans have lived 200 years who were Jedi. Is there any specific mention of the extent and nature of this in canon? 152.23.202.133 06:58, 6 March 2008 (UTC)Cato

Force Forms
I was browsing Wookieepedia, and couldn't find an article on the Force Forms commonly used by Jedi Consulars (And, possibly, by the Jedi Exile), was I just not thorough enough or does this article need to be created? 84.45.134.188 23:33, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The article for Force Forms is right here: Force form 96.240.197.145 01:17, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

i feeel a disturbance...wait...
so i was thinking about KotoR II and how kreia wanted to destroy the force...correct me if im wrong here...would this be conceiveable? or if it were to happen, would the galaxy just fall apart?

Well it seems that if we go by Jedi normal philosophies then everything comes to an end but the most logical is the end of force sensitivity/powers thus end of jedi and sith unless they find a new source of power this won't be much of a blow to species like Humans, rodians etc. They do not depend on the force for daily living. But to species like Miraluka and Felucians this would be a devastating change which can doom them to extinction. Felucians would be helpless and at the mercy of beasts they can no longer tame like rancors. Miraluka would be truly blind unable to see anything.

They could adapt like say Felucians developing higher intellect and Miraluka sharper senses. But it is unknown if this would happen.

All and all if Kreia did succeed great and tragic change would inevitably follow.

--70.45.227.116 16:35, 6 November 2008 (UTC)Vipa Human--70.45.227.116 16:35, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Appearances
Since The Force "resides in all life forms" and "binds the Galaxy toghether", doesn't it mean that the Force is present in every single Star Wars story, even wothput any actual Force-users? Because if it's true, then we should stop trying to list every story ever released and replace the Appearances section with All works on Star Wars saga. Mauser 17:23, 10 February 2009 (UTC) Kgrimes2 Talk 22:45, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I think a more prudent approach would be to only list works in which the Force is mentioned or shown in action, with an note outlining what you've said above. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 17:24, 10 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Seems sensible.

A Question About the Force
Does life have to exist for the Force to exist? Or did the Force pre-date the existence of life? 64.180.93.200 20:31, 3 April 2009 (UTC)