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Crado
No offense was meant, my friend. I was merely following a precedent I've seen where trivia is removed, especially on Featured Articles. In fact, I've specifically seen trivia referring to translation issues removed on articles like Pil Diller. I believe you, and I do know some French, so their choice to change his name makes sense to me. Feel free to revert my edit if you like.&mdash; Graestan  ( This party's over ) 19:37, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Fanon
-- Ozzel 09:14, 11 November 2007 (UTC)

New Otoh Gunga
The New Otoh Gunga article has already been deleted after going through the requisite one-week period for not having a proper source. Please provide a proper source for the article, or it will be deleted. Guidelines can be found here. Additionally, please do not create articles without providing a proper source. Just creating an article haphazardly to kill a redlink does not help. Thank you. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:59, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Even if it's only one source, that's all we need. Thank you for providing it. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:07, 20 May 2009 (UTC)
 * I was up to adding it, but I wasn't quick enough ;)You're welcome LelalMekha 22:14, 20 May 2009 (UTC)

Some Written Words
Hi Alban. Thank you for your kind words about The Written Word. As a fellow fan of constructed languages, I definitely understand your dissatisfaction with the way Star Wars languages have been handled; with other franchises having languages with grammars and phonologies that differ from English, the languages of Star Wars can seem lacking by comparison. While I would like to look at your work, I unfortunately can't look at fan-created versions of Star Wars languages for the same reasons that Star Wars story writers can't look at fan fiction. However, don't let that discourage your continued work on the project, and don't feel at all ashamed about working on constructed languages; it's an art form to be shared, not just a secret vice. jSarek 12:58, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

Articles
Hey there. Thanks for the new articles that you have been writing. I just wanted to point out a couple of things to you. When linking to existing articles, please try to link to the actual article and not a redirect. Also, please check to see if an article already exists for something, albeit under a slightly different name. That way you can create a redirect page instead of a duplicate article. Keep up the good work. Let me know if you have any questions. Cylka  -talk- 10:17, September 14, 2010 (UTC)

User page fanon, again
1358 (Talk)  10:43, April 27, 2011 (UTC)


 * Well, I'll just completely erase it, I guess it's easier that way. No time to write a new user page right now, and I don't really need it anyway. LelalMekha 22:11, April 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. 1358  (Talk)  22:12, April 29, 2011 (UTC)

Re:
Hi LelaMekha, thanks for the questions. I have the book in part, though I'm missing a few vital pages. As far as I'm aware he kills them aboard his family's starship, which is destroyed, the corpses along with it, and Plagueis, (who is an incredibly wealthy and influential buisisness man as well as a Sith Lord) uses his power to tie up the loose ends and conceal Palpy's involvement. In short, their deaths are put down to an accident. Don't hesitate to ask if you have further questions. Jayden Matthews 10:22, December 30, 2011 (UTC)

Uploading images
When uploading files to the wiki, please heed the instructions on Special:Upload. Thank you. 1358 (Talk)  13:17, January 22, 2012 (UTC)

Huttese writing system
Hmm, that's a toughie. My immediate thought is that, no, the font itself is not canon. The writing system itself obviously is, but only the elements of it which we have canonically seen in use. That said, you should be able to have a field day with the Bts section, and hopefully as TOR expands, we'll get to see enough of the script to have something comprehensive soon. jSarek 05:58, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, Lelal, if you link an email address to your user page, I can email you some screenshots I've taken of various Huttese graffiti on Coruscant and Nar Shaddaa. That might help you catalogue which letters have been canonized and which haven't yet. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 13:07, January 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Whoops -- I meant attaching an email address to your account via the "Preferences" options. If I were you, I'd remove the email address from your user page, since it's vulnerable to spambots that way. You should be able to attach an email such that people can email you through the site anonymously, which protects your privacy and spam-freeness that way. :) (That said, I'll try to email you some screenshots tonight or tomorrow.) ~ Savage BOB sig.png 14:45, January 24, 2012 (UTC)

Sith writing
I honestly don't know whether we can make the assumption that it's High Sith. If the book just calls it Sith, it could be High Sith, or it could be some yet unseen variation on the language not covered by my article. I agree that finding a way to make it High Sith is currently the best solution given the available facts, but that's probably something that can only be made true by a retcon through official sources, not us. That's just my take on it, though. jSarek 11:17, February 1, 2012 (UTC)

Yoda's Challenge Activity Center
How's the project going? The youngling article looks good. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 13:18, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * As far as the informations are concerned, I think the article is complete (or nearly so). The only thing left is the text himself, that I find plain.LelalMekha 13:27, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * You want me to prepare a second draft? --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 13:59, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd be glad to see you do so.LelalMekha 14:06, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * All right, I'll get to it. I'll be working with the text as it stands now, OK? Any corrections you make, please mark them in bold, or in red (or both, that's what I do) so that they don't get lost. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 14:18, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have added my draft to my talk page. Take a look and tell me what you think. I also believe that the information must be added to the Yoda, Obi-Wan, Naboo, Padmé, Jar Jar, C-3PO and Anakin articles. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 15:35, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why, thank you. Its sounds like better English that way, not like my Hercule Poirotesque prose. I'm wondering if I should add pictures for every mission or not, lest it becomes just too much.LelalMekha 15:44, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Pictures are good, if you ask me. If not all of them fit, at least upload them so that they are available. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 15:52, March 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll try and see how it looks.LelalMekha 15:54, March 20, 2012 (UTC)

Kallig
Where is it that developers assume that Sith characters will go full dark side, culminating in Kallig being bestowed the title Darth Nox. Post a link in the Kallig page that refers to it in detail. --Senjuto 14:30, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, hello to you too... The developers don't assume that. Wookieepedia does. It is not I who chose to put the assumption tag, so if you want to complain, I suggest you write on the talk page of the "Kallig" article rather than here.LelalMekha 20:11, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Qui-Gon
Understood. However, I couldn't tell because the mention of how Qui-Gon smelled and looked is not in the article. If it is something that you feel needs to go into the Traits and appearances section, then be bold and put it in (proof reading it first of course). Otherwise, you might want to specifically mention the quote's or related info's possible inclusion in the article first when discussing what the quote means. &mdash; Gethralkin  Hyperwave 23:34, March 22, 2012 (UTC)

Unidentified young recruit
Hey. Just wanted to say good work with expanding this article. It is great to see. I hope that you will continue to work on it to make it as complete as possible. I would be happy to give you some tips if you want to think about making it into a Good article. --Eyrezer 10:21, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why, thank you. It would be a great matter of pride to turn it into a GA. I've already received assistance to transform my bad Hercule Poirot prose into proper English, but any other tips are most welcome indeed. LelalMekha 10:29, March 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Cool. Well my first suggestion is that the article needs to be sourced. This means that every item in the infobox, and every paragraph needs to have a reference tag to it. It looks like you know how to source, since you correctly added the sourcing for C-3PO's storytelling, but if you need any help, see Sourcing. My second suggestion is that there are too many subsections in the History. At the moment, every paragraph is its own sub-section. For the length of the article, I suggest two or possibly three sub-sections at the most. --Eyrezer 23:27, March 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Will do. I think my two new subdivisions will be: "Missions on Naboo" and "Missions on Tatooine" (or something like that). I'll be working on it in my sandbox first.--LelalMekha 08:49, March 31, 2012 (UTC)
 * You will have seen that a edited the references. The full reference style is only needed for the first reference, and then the abbreviated form, can be used. Some more suggestions: It would be good to see some of the quotes added back in for the condensed sub-sections. I also think that you could expand the Personality and traits section. At the moment, it seems to jump right in. Take a look at P&T sections in some other Jedi articles to see what is possible. --Eyrezer 11:31, April 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Great. I'll give it a copy-edit and see what else I can think of to improve it. --Eyrezer 09:46, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have made some changes based on what you already had there. Let me know if you think I misinterpreted anything. Some questions:
 * "... apparently sent by Jedi Knight Obi-Wan Kenobi." Does this refer to Yoda or the youngling? Is there an implication the Obi-Wan discovered the youngling?
 * "the youngling seemed to be a precocious child". What are you basing this on?
 * I am really curious about the Tiperoo. What role did it play in making the songs? --Eyrezer 11:38, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the message. I found a youtube clip of the game and made some more edits to the article based on that. I have slightly modified the title as the opening scroll calls the individual a "young new recruit". I suggest you move the article to Unidentified young new recruit to match that. I also changed the Conjecture template to a Nickname template accordingly. Another change was to add the Gamemechanics template. That is all that I can do. If you were to copy this across to the proper namespace and nominate it as a Good article, I would support it. You can still expect to get objections and suggestions, but I think it is good enough to make it through. Let me know if I can help further. --Eyrezer 11:26, April 6, 2012 (UTC)

Re:Skere Kaan
I understand. It's not a huge deal to me, and if you feel like you can make the case that it was an obvious reference that the author was trying to make or that a buch of fans noticed, it's usually okay to add that kind of stuff (the way you worded it was perfectly fine). I only reverted it in this instance because I have a hard time imagining that that was Jason Fry's intent, or that many fans would see the name and immediately think "ah, yes... The Jungle Book". However, I'm obviously not the final authority on such things, so if you would really like for it to be included, I would recommend that you bring the matter up on the talk page and see if any other community members think that the connection is notable enough for its addition to not violate WP:TRIVIA. Cheers! Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 09:42, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi LelaMekha, it may be of interest to you to know that Jason Fry has announced that he will publish his endnotes for TEGTW next week, and my guess would be that he will probably state in them whether he intended Kaan's name as a reference to the Jungle Book. --Jinzler 10:37, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Why, thank you for this piece of information, Jinzler. Obviously, I wasn't the only one thinking there was something there. ^^ "Genn-Ghis Kaan" or "Kooh-bluh Kaan" would have been fine too. ;-) --LelalMekha 10:41, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Unidentified young recruit: nearly there
No need to thank me, you did all the work. Actual research towers over minor corrective work in the difficulty department. Have you added the information from the game to the referenced articles? I can do that if you haven't. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 11:20, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's my take on the Binks part:

"Following the resolution of the Naboo crisis, Jar Jar Binks became involved with the restoration of peace on the planet. With the help of a precocious Jedi youngling, General Binks set up traps in the Sacred Forest for the last operational battle droids. As a key player in the reconciliation between the two cultures of Naboo, Jar Jar Binks participated in the Victory Races; mounted on a kaadu, he competed against Queen Amidala on a tusk cat."

"Ambush on Tatooine (Darth Maul)" looks fine to me. It's exhaustively sourced and contains no errors. I don't know what's wrong with it. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 12:44, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Any help you might want, just let me know. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 13:30, April 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi, seeing as you're working on the article in your sandbox page, I just wanted point out the changes I made to the article to clean it up. Firstly, reference tags in the infobox should be enclosed in this template as shown: . Also, if a field in an infobox is not used then it should simply be left blank, not deleted. There were numerous cases of missing context (which isn't a content problem, more to do with writing style that would be picked up in a GAN review for example) such as "...who were protecting Queen Amidala. According to the trace, Maul knew the Naboo royal starship was headed for..."&mdash;there is no apparent link between Amidala and the Naboo starship. Specifying that she was the Queen of Naboo and that the ship was hers makes it much clearer. Your linking could also be better; per the Manual of Style, everything should be linked once in the infobox, intro and main body. You should also link directly to the article in question, not redirects; you can enable a gadget that colours them orange for convenience. Linking to the plural of things like assassin droids should be done as assassin droid s because article titles are generally not plural. Hopefully this advice is of some use, otherwise keep up the good work!  nayayen ★talk  13:57, April 5, 2012 (UTC)

Book of Sith pics
I noticed that you uploaded a quality scan from Book of Sith, and was wondering whether you could upload some more. For example, there is one that perfectly illustrates the Order of the Sith Lords in the Rule of Two section (the one with the agents of the underground), and those great portraits of the alternative Force traditions (Nightbrothers, Prophets, Shapers etc) in the Wild Power section, of which only one (Sorcerers of Rhand) is in use on the website. Cheers. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 15:22, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * The ones I mention above are the ones that seemed to pop out the most. The one with the Sith figure looming over the various shady intergalactic types is perfect for the Grand Plan -- it basically illustrates the Grand Plan. In any case, I don't want to bother you with this, I just wanted you to know that there is a dearth of potentially useful pictures from that book here. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 21:16, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * RE:Metamorphosis. Beat you there! I was already working on it. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 21:24, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Je ne sais pas pour les beaux esprits, mais les wookieepediens par excellence sure do! --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 21:49, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that. Doesn't it look great?
 * I don't know where it should be, but the "magic" of the Nightsisters is described as illusion not only in Infinity's End, but also in the cartoon. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 22:16, April 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll admit it: Originally I had captioned the picture thus: "The Witch-Queen of Endor uses the Talisman of the Raven to turn herself into a beautiful princess." But I figured, I'm unpopular as it is on this site as it is! Anyway, you are right, of course. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 22:32, April 17, 2012 (UTC)

RE:A Nightsisters Wookieeproject?
I'm afraid I'll be terribly busy from tomorrow (which is why I'm editing now, while I still have time). Plus, I am also bound to clash with others, as it is perfectly clear to me that the Nightsisters are frauds. With the exception of the old Ewoks sources of course, witches are presented as Force-users with the "handicap" of incantations and hand/wand-waving, as well as a with a particular knack for illusion-casting, not as the absurd High Fantasy nigh-omnipotent supervillains the new cartoon has made them (in direct contradiction, may I add, to the very spirit of SW). The way I see it, every mention of a phantasmagoric wizardly feat should be treated as a mind trick, per all the sources that describe the Nightsisters as illusionists, and, per the original source (The Courtship of Princess Leia), pretty weak in terms of Force use as well. But not everyone agrees, right? In any case, I'm willing to help with anything Nightsister related, provided I can spare the time. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 14:42, April 18, 2012 (UTC) I will gladly join such a project if you get it started after I have gotten through the worst part of the two jobs I'll be doing within the coming month. However, I cannot help but making it clear in every relevant witch-related article, that the Force and illusions are behind their powers, per all sources up to the cartoon. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 15:03, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh if only they had stopped with Merlin! Merlin was, after all, half-demon, and therefore his powers can be explained in a framework perfectly logical according to the theology of the Middle Ages. But in Star Wars, there is no framework for superpowers so exotic compared to the Force as seen in the films! Imagine if Vader were to turn into Draculesque green mist during the original Star Wars&mdash;some success that film would have been! Or if he had been cyber-transformed with magic mist and not through surgery in Revenge of the Sith! Ah, I'm ranting....

Ambush on Tatooine
Hi there, sorry for the delay. I've had a read through and a small copyedit of the article and have a few things for a "pre-nom" review.
 * The introduction is too short compared to the length of the rest of the article. Expanding it to be roughly the same sort of length as the Prelude or Aftermath sections should be sufficient.
 * "According to the trace," -What is the trace you're talking about? Just a little bit of context is needed, so if it was something Sidious gave him you could just add "provided by his master" to it.
 * The mention of the assasin droids currently sounds as if he encountered them outside his ship rather than, what I assume to be the case, them being droids he used for his training.
 * "The Sand People were so bewildered they just couldn't react." -The tone of this line really isn't suitable for an encyclopedia and should be rewritten.
 * That should be it for a preliminary review (and I'm a little tight on time while writing this) but, otherwise, it's an impressive job for a first effort. Let me know (on this talk page, it's in my watchlist) when you've addressed those four things and I'll have another look if you want.  nayayen ★talk  16:28, April 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * There you are. I tried to fix the points you've mentioned here. About the trace, I must confess all the sources are quite silent. Darth Maul's journal basically says he is not allowed to reveal its source, but merely says Sidious was gifted enough to "guess" where the Jedi had gone. The rest is yours to see in the article. Cheers, and thank you again.--LelalMekha 18:40, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

Re:About a GANom (unidentified young new recruit)
Sure, I could review it. I'm currently working my way up the list on the GAN page, so I'll be sure to review the new recruit article.  JangFett  (Talk) 15:54, May 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * No worries. :)  JangFett  (Talk) 16:07, May 4, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Quoi de neuf ?
I've been busy, so I guess I've been on a "Wookiee-vacation" too. It's good for the soul! I see you have brought the site under the dark spell of the Nightsisters -- I like it. Can I vote for the recruit article, or is that considered a faux pas because I worked on it? Also, remember that thing about Charal turning into a beautiful princess? What if it's supposed to be this thing? Doesn't the book mention that a talisman could also be a cloak? I know it's against a whole pile of rules to put it in the article, just saying. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 12:11, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * I voted anyway. I'll take a look at the article when I have the time. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 13:19, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Good to know you're still on the Nightsisters!


 * 1) "Consort" implies Charal had a legitimate sexual relationship with a monarch. It's your word, and I didn't change it because there was a source. If a source says "consort," that's their problem. (Maybe they broke up before the film? They are about 100 years old, after all, lots of time for romantic troubles.) If not, "consort" would be inaccurate.
 * 2) I don't know about the crash. Is there a source specifying anything? I rather prefer the intro version, but I don't think it's accurate. Just a hunch.
 * 3) As for the technology thing, that's a conflict with the Ewok movies and later sources. Nightsisters are presented as half-primitivists, having consciously rejected technology on philosophical grounds (like the Vong) but using it when it suits their purposes (unlike the Vong). But back in '85, Charal was not supposed to be any sort of "Nightsister," and she's presented as a technological imbecile. Although I do remember her being conscious of the fact that the oscillator was not some kind of all-powerful entity as Terak believed, and chanting into it only to stall him. Am I mistaken? God, I don't want to watch that film again! --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 16:22, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, the timeline is wrong, I think. "One of our sisters has yet to return the Talisman" may imply that she took it from a previous Witch Queen (Zalem? her predecessor?) about 80 years before Talzin wrote Wild Power, and she (Talzin) inherited the missing magical items list from Zalem, not that she personally gave it to Charal 80 years ago. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 16:31, May 14, 2012 (UTC)


 * 1) I though Fact Files were written in French originally. Anyway, I like the idea of freaky inter-species supercentenarian sexual relationships in kids' films, and I do hope some source says "consort!"
 * 2) YES, SHE CAME WITH THEM. 1st vague (Why, "no she didn't"?), 2nd positive, 3rd explicitly states ignorance. We have a winner in the source that states it definitely. It's clear to me if there are no other sources to contradict it.
 * 3) Well, the Sanyassans also arrived on a spaceship, and they also talk about "the power" when referring to the oscillator. It's just bad continuity, I think. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 22:51, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * As much as I may think ill of myself for having watched those films as an adult, I also remember them fondly. I know I will return to them when I find myself in that curb of life where one needs immersion in the comfort of childhood (or rather, child-like) memories to get on with life. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 23:10, May 14, 2012 (UTC)

Unidentified young new recruit

 * Ah, my first GA! It's worth a celebration. :-) I'm looking forward to working on more of them.--LelalMekha 13:19, May 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Good work, LelalMekha! Always nice to have your first status article passed. By the way, the article is actually long enough to qualify as a Featured article (1,088 words currently), if you were interested in nominating it there, too. Obviously, it would need to go through the review process there, which you may not have the appetite for, but it is an option. It would probably need a longer introduction if you were to go down that path, but perhaps not too much else. Something to think about. --Eyrezer 14:33, May 18, 2012 (UTC)

Re: A piece of advice
Well, since both articles are over 250 words, they would have to be Good Article nominations. Just looking at them, however, I have two suggestions: I'd try not to use the word "this" - try introducing them as "A so-so" or something similar. And also, Menk will no doubt want more quotes, so I'd figure out if that was possible and look for some. Cade  Calrayn   14:43, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

RE: Galactic Showcase
The Galactic Showcase was a program the moderators at the official SWG forums had that allowed player's to show off their decorating expertise for all to see. Player's chosen would receive an in-game "badge" to signify they were chosen. Anything featured in them should not be considered canon because most it was written by players and not actually featured in the game proper (as in added to the game by the developers).  OLIOSTER  (talk) 15:56, May 20, 2012 (UTC)

Ewoks
Hello! I would be happy to pre-nom Talisman of the Raven. I absolutely love that you're working on articles related to Ewoks: The Battle for Endor. The film is a guilty pleasure of mine, too; I recently wrote Salak Weet and I plan to write Noa Briqualon soon. :D I saw on Cade's talk page that you want to take the two Sanyassans who shoot each other to Good article status --- do it! Do it do it do it!

I have a couple of preliminary questions before I dive deep into the article:
 * Since the article is about the Talisman of the Raven, can you introduce the Talisman earlier in the "Properties" section? I feel like it should be one of the first things the article mentions, but it's not introduced until the second paragraph.
 * "who may or may not have been Talzin." At first glance, this seems like speculation. What does Book of Sith actually say? Can you word it so that it doesn't seem like it's speculation?
 * Right now, most of the third paragraph of "History" (including info about the Battle between the Sanyassans and the Ewoks) uses Book of Sith as a reference. Is this correct? Shouldn't it be sourced to The Battle for Endor?
 * On that note, "while Charal was trapped in raven form." is sourced to The Battle for Endor. Does the movie actually say that she's trapped forever, or is this info from another source?
 * The captions of images shouldn't include punctuation at the end unless a complete sentence is being used. Currently, none of the image captions are complete sentences, but they all end with periods.

OK! Those are some preliminaries. Think about them and let me know here, and then I'll dive deeper into the article. :) Menkooroo 02:18, May 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey! I'm really sorry, but I won't be on the Wook all that much over the next two weeks. I don't think I have time to finish the pre-nom. Sorry! Menkooroo 17:56, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Don't be sorry, I'll be kind of busy myself anyway. It can wait. ;-) --LelalMekha 18:02, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm back! Do you still want me to take a look at the article? I have time now; hooray! Menkooroo 01:07, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

Dan Wallace and the Nightsisters
As you say, the issue here is authorial intent which is generally unclear. The fact is that various sources since Courtship have shown the history of the Nightsisters to be more than what is revealed in the novel, so Wallace's comments are in line with the new, revised Nightsister history anyway. His comments on Gethzerion's placement in the history should be in the BTS at least, but a case could be made to include it in the bio since Darth Bane's article uses Drew Karpyshyn comments on Bane's final fate as a reference. Just remember to link to the actual tweet url (obtained by clicking the details link under the tweet) rather than the feed itself. - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 11:59, May 22, 2012 (UTC)

Image categories
Hey, Lelal! I'm really glad you've been uploading lots of images from The Old Republic and Ewoks books and movies. Please be sure to add categories to the images you upload, though. Otherwise, the images become incredibly hard to find for other users. You should try to add categories for the subject of the image, the artist (if applicable), and the source. For instance, most of the Ewoks children's book images should fit into Category:Images by Toni Scribner, Category:Images from The Ring, the Witch, and the Crystal: An Ewok Adventure, subject categories like Category:Images of Sanyassans and Category:Images of Teek, and Category:Children's book illustrations. Keep up the good work! ~ Savage  16:45, May 25, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, you're absolutely right of course. I usually do categorize images, but I've been unacceptably ... lazy lately. :$ --LelalMekha 17:50, May 25, 2012 (UTC)

Charal copy edit
Hey, Lelal. I finally got the chance to give Charal a look and copy edit what you've done so far. And it's good! Most of the changes I made were not related to grammar or usage. Instead, I made a lot of changes that I probably would have made during a copy edit of a native speaker's article. Your English (at least written) is very good, so keep it up! If you have any specific questions about why I changed something or another, please don't hesitate to ask. That's how we learn languages after all! I look forward to seeing Charal nominated for FA soon. :) ~ Savage  15:07, May 27, 2012 (UTC)

Yavin
The article is actually around 323 words, so it can't be a CA&mdash;you'd have to try for a GAN. Looks good otherwise. Cade  Calrayn   19:00, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * For word count, everything counts except the infobox, section headings, the table of contents box, sources and appearances, and image captions. Basically, everything in the intro to the BTS, excluding section headings and captions. I count by copying the text from the intro to the BTS and paste it in MS Word, then cut out the section headings, ToC box, and captions to get a word count. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 19:09, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that'd be good. If they're worshiping the gas giant, then that should be the infobox image. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 19:25, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Yavin GA review
No problem at all, you did a very good job working through those objections. Feel free to let me know if you ever have any questions; I look forward to seeing more from you! Cheers, Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 15:03, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Certainly&mdash;it's actually in quite good shape; I just found a few things:
 * I'd give the intro some expansion. Flesh out the paragraphs a bit more, and be a bit more chronological in your presentation of events (e.g. you could mention the Talisman when you first mention that she desereted the Nightsisters)
 * Your verb usage is good; I just found one mistake: "Hunted like an animal, Charal spent decades moved from star system to star system across the galaxy&hellip;" ("moved" should be "moving")
 * When you say things like: "A century before the Battle of Endor," make sure to provide a link to the actual date; and even if just an approximate date is known, it can still be beneficial to say something like "Around 96 BBY"
 * The following sentence is a bit rough: "When the offworlder did so, Terak was not pleased by the deaths of his men, so Szingo intended to put the blame on his witchy foe." "Witchy" sounds a bit POV (an insult instead of a rank). I would suggest rewording it to something along the lines of: "As Terak was displeased by the deaths of his men, Szingo intended to place the blame on Charal."
 * Rank capitalization is somewhat complicated: if the article "the" is included in the statement (as in: "shielding herself from the king's wrath") then the title should not be capitalized. However, when the article "the" is left out (as in "Their leader, Terak, set himself up as King, occupying a primitive castle in the plains of the Dragon's Pelt.") then the rank should be capitalized. (Note that this ruling doesn't apply to terms that are always capitalized, such as "Nightsister," "Jedi Knight," "Sith Lord," "Mandalore," etc.; but it does apply to things like "King," "Queen," "President," "Captain," "Lieutenant," "Officer," "Ensign," etc.)
 * I'd suggest combining the "Life on Endor," "Charal's poultice," and "The Witch and the Imperials" subsections into just one or two sections.
 * You have a bit of over- and under-linking throughout the article.
 * "Indeterminate age" is POV/OR, unless we know of an IU character who was unable to determine her age; in which case you'd need to tell us who that character was and the date when they found Charal's age to be indeterminate
 * The last sentence of the P&T needs to be sourced.
 * That's it from me; there are a few very minor tweaks that I can make in a copyedit once you nominate it. Go ahead and put it on the FAN whenever you're ready. :) Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 16:13, May 29, 2012 (UTC)
 * Good deal&mdash;personally, I'm alright with the 2nd level subsections as you have them now, but I wouldn't be surprised if someone objects to "The Witch and the Imperials" on the basis that it consists of a single paragraph. Regarding her age: I would suggest saying something like "Her appearance was of an indeterminate age"&mdash;that will still get the point across, because the problem with saying just outright that her age was indeterminate is that it's very possible (even with that canon statement) that she personally knew her own age. As for the last sentence of the P&T: if you can find some instances that show the Nightsisters in the presence of technology, and then some other instances that show them intentionally neglecting to use it, then you can source it with a statement pointing out thosee instances. If not, then yeah, it would probably be best to remove. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 15:00, May 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Awesome; looks good. The only things left that I can think to make note of for you to know for the future are: remember that after mentioning a character for the first time, we're supposed to stick to using last names, and not first (exceptions to this are only in situations where that could be very confusing due to multiple characters having the same surname for very large portions&mdash;or all&mdash;of an article); also, make sure you put everything in the intro and infobox in the main body, too (the Sanyassans being on the run from law enforcement agencies was in the intro, but not body; and Charal's height was in the infobox, but not body). Good work, again. :) And since I have no further objections, I'll support as soon as you nom it. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 17:02, June 1, 2012 (UTC)

BTM
Indeed. Can I have whatever info is available on Bursk and Narthax? Those are two of the snowtroopers killed by Wampas in an ESB deleted scene, if you otherwise weren't sure. Hanzo Hasashi 20:45, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks in advance. :) Hanzo Hasashi 20:50, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help. :) Yeah, I was expecting just the scene mentioned and the pictures, and doubted them being mentioned by name. Hanzo Hasashi 21:42, June 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I could use them in the BTS sections. Hanzo Hasashi 14:40, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm, even though Bursk is said to be the leader of one of the most brutal platoons, maybe he wasn't the group leader itself. Take a look here, Bursk is the one behind Narthax. As you have the BTM photos, would you be able to tell, with that image as reference, which one is the one who opens the door? Hanzo Hasashi 15:28, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yodapedia doesn't source their screenshots. Ugh that clip only shows one of them going in, when canonically all of them did. From the BTM photos, would you also be able to make the same conclusion? I consider that Youtube clip unreliable when it comes to canon. Hanzo Hasashi 15:43, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the scene itself is canon, but not in the way it's presented as the deleted scene? Interestingly Sompeetalay did not seem to be aware of the One Step Ahead story, and yet on Yodapedia he also acknowledged both Bursk and Narthax being attacked by the Wampas, with those images as reference. Hanzo Hasashi 15:51, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Do the BTM images also make it obvious Narthax is the one who opens the door? Hanzo Hasashi 15:56, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well it appears obvious that the Yodapedia images are of the obsolete deleted scene. With no evidence otherwise, I guess I'll go back to treating Bursk as the leader then. Hanzo Hasashi 16:06, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * From comparing the images you uploaded and the clip, you are right, those images are not stills from that clip. For reference, the One Step Ahead story mentions all the stormtroopers as being killed. Deleted scenes clips aren't always canon, see Shaak Ti as an example: different deleted deaths in RotS, but canonically survived to be killed in the Force Unleashed game. Hanzo Hasashi 16:19, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for that! I assumed that was most likely the case, but just wasn't sure if there was any way to tell. Hanzo Hasashi 16:53, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * But... The most canon version we have is the "One step ahead" sotry. And it says: "Their leader, a veteran of the Akuria II garrison, tested on many frigid worlds, led his men to the sealed door. He savored the moment as he punched the controls. It will take more than mere locks to stop an Imperial blizzard. The door slid open, and the troops filed into the chamber with military efficiency." If you combine this text and Bursk's SWCCG (which says he was the leader), it seems quite sure that there is a discrepançy between what was said and what was shown. -LelalMekha 17:04, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Being the leader of one of the most brutal platoons might not necessarily mean he led that specific group. Hanzo Hasashi 17:15, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * From IRC discussion: Bursk was a Sergeant Major, making him second-in-command to the platoon lieutenant. Narthax commanded a squad. Both were therefore leaders, albeit Narthax of a smaller subsection of the whole unit. Hanzo Hasashi 17:35, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed. Thanks for all your help. :-) Hanzo Hasashi 17:44, June 8, 2012 (UTC)

Wand
Hey there! I archived Logray's ceremonial wand as a failed CAnomination. You can bring it to the GAN page any time. The procedure for archiving failed CAnoms can be found here. Cheers! Menkooroo 00:52, June 11, 2012 (UTC)

List of owners
Hey there! The chronological lists of owners in Threepio's and Artoo's articles were really just leftover relics from the early days of Wookieepedia, in the days before the Layout Guide and before our standards were as high as they are now. These days, bulleted lists of any kind are discouraged --- if they can be turned into prose, then they should be, but in this case, the information was already present in the "Biography" section. I made a big update to R2-D2 today, and I believe that every one of his owners is now listed in "Biography." I'm going to make the same update to C-3PO later tonight.

The sections were neat and kind of fun, but at the same time, they were trivia, and it's hard to justify keeping trivia sections. Does that make sense? Menkooroo (talk) 01:49, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, I've (finally!) looked at Talisman of the Raven again. Sorry for the delay. I have just a few small things:
 * The first paragraph of "Properties" is good, but I'd like to see it flat-out say that the Talisman is a ring with a red gemstone right off the bat. It should also be explicitly stated that the Talisman of the Raven is a Talisman of Transformation; right now, the intro says so but the body only implies it.
 * Can the bit in properties about "the user would be trapped in raven form" be sourced to The Battle for Endor? I'm thinking it could use Charal's Databank entry as another source, like in the "History" section.
 * I think the "who may or may not have been Talzin" bit should be left out. I see where you're coming from, but it's basically just speculation.
 * "He ordered his minions to recapture the crystal oscillator and seized the ring in order to keep Charal in bird form so she would track the group without betraying him and running away." Doesn't he first take the ring before he places her in prison?
 * In the second paragraph of "History" --- you've done a good job of summarizing the events of the film, but I think it can be summarized even further. Giving the names of and context on Noa and Teek doesn't seem too necessary for the purposes of this article; stating that she was rescued by "her friends" would probably be enough.
 * A really good job overall! Think about these objections and let me know. Menkooroo 02:14, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes! Nominate it. Don't let me slow you down any more. :P Menkooroo 17:46, June 24, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hi! I'll actually be away from my copies of Insider for the next two weeks. Sorry... if you can wait, I'll be happy to provide the info as soon as I get home. Menkooroo (talk) 00:42, July 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Heh, don't worry, I'll give her a proper review within the week. By the way, did I ever mention how much I love the fact that you're tackling so many topics from The Battle for Endor? Surely you're going to GAN the two card-players? Do Terak next! Menkooroo (talk) 00:50, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Sith language
The article is looking pretty good. Alas, the newer information and the stuff I wrote for The Written Word don't jive together too well; I'd love a chance someday to go back and revisit the language and smooth out the rather gaping disparities. In the meantime, a Bts note discussing the various forms of the written language would probably be warranted. jSarek (talk) 20:17, July 4, 2012 (UTC)

Spelling
No sweat. It's not like "Sanyassans" is in the spell-check. Enochf (talk) 22:10, July 5, 2012 (UTC)

CSD
I don't think there was an edit conflict involved, but we both were adding in a CSD template to that one article. :P Sorry for any confusion if you saw my edit a few minutes after yours.  JangFett  (Talk) 15:22, July 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * haha yeah. :P In the RC page, I saw that you edited the article and placed a CSD tag on it so I reverted my edit.  JangFett  (Talk) 15:29, July 6, 2012 (UTC)

Ewoks
Hey, no problem. I have a soft spot for the Ewoks films, and particularly The Battle for Endor, so I'm happy to help out in any way I can. :) Menkooroo (talk) 20:01, July 8, 2012 (UTC)

Flag of Dathomir
I agree, it is a little odd, but unfortunately, no real context regarding it was given in the game. Players could buy storyteller props to place on planets, and some of these included flags. The one we're talking about was simply called, "Dathomir Flag." The flag could also be seen flying at the planet's Science Outpost and Trade Outpost. If you go to those articles, you can faintly see the flags in the pictures.

I suppose you could make the case that the flag was simply the one the Empire wished to use as the planet's official standard (the symbol looks somewhat like an Imperial emblem), but that's speculation. I think the best way to look at is to see it as A flag of Dathomir, rather than the flag. There may have been other factions who wished to use a different flag to represent the planet, but as of now, it seems this flag is the only official one to represent Dathomir. StarsiderSWG (talk) 17:40, July 9, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Sith Picture
Thank you LelalMekha! That picture is indeed useful. I was trying to upload the exact one infact a month or so ago, but it didn't work, so that is greatly appreciated. Nice work adding pictures from the book! —Obi–wan Jacobi  ( Talk ) 02:23, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * That may be useful, thank you. I might be able to add it under the Massassi section in Sith species, and in the Massassi article. I am not sure whether the Massassi shown in Book of Sith is now a misrepresentation or a retcon, as both SWTOR Timelines and Book of Sith have chosen to show brutish, hunched Massassi rather than the tall, lithe versions that they should be using from Tales of the Jedi. The future will tell. —Obi–wan Jacobi  Jedi_Symbol_Dark_Chrome.JPG ( Talk ) 20:40, July 11, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thank you again! Oh, and AGREED on all of what you said then. I am glad there are others that feel that way!! —Obi–wan Jacobi  Jedi_Symbol_Dark_Chrome.JPG ( Talk ) 10:36, July 14, 2012 (UTC)

Extensions
In the future, please don't upload an image without first making the extension lower case. Thanks!  OLIOSTER  (talk) 18:03, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not a big deal, just what is preferred. Gal-icon.jpg  OLIOSTER  (talk) 18:11, July 10, 2012 (UTC)

Sanyassans SWG
Hey, sure thing. Just let me know what questions you have and I'll answer them when I get the chance. StarsiderSWG (talk) 22:06, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'll get you more info on the Sanyassan's soon, but I just wanted to clarify that in the SWG quest dialogue given by Terak, Indar was referred to as a "he." I do admit Indar looks a lot like the female Sanyassan. I'll try to find more gender based images of Sanyassan's just to see what characteristics they do have. Also, there's lots of similarities between the Sanyassan and the Sayormi, that it's often difficult to distinguish which ones were which in SWG. Generally speaking, any Sayassan-like characters added with Rage of the Wookiees were Sayormi, and not Sanyassan. Anyways I'll get you more info, but based off of the current info, Indar was a male, at least as far as the dialogue was concerned. StarsiderSWG (talk) 23:31, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Honestly, now that I think about it, it's quite possible that the only know image of Indar was merely a randomly generated depiction of a Sanyassan. Refer to the Haro Whitesun article's BTS as an example. Lots of old quests in SWG (the Marauder themepark was among the first quests ever to be in SWG), featured randomly generated characters selected from a set of spawn templates. So while Indar IS a male from an in-universe perspective (as we give more priority to the dialogue in SWG, rather than random graphical models), the image of Indar should maybe be placed in the BTS as an example of a randomly-generated depiction. Another example is the Bent Spur article, if you don't know what I mean. This was generally only true of dynamically spawned characters involved in the old kill-deliver-escort quests of SWG.StarsiderSWG (talk) 23:38, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * One other thing for now. I looked through my folders, and there is this old screenshot of Indar, which looks like the one in the article. So I'm not yet 100% sure it was a randomly-generated depiction (as what are the odds of them looking the same in 2 completely different screenshots), but I'll look into it some more. StarsiderSWG (talk) 23:44, July 12, 2012 (UTC) Indar2.jpg
 * Yeah, and if you look at Walda (who is most likely a Sayormi however), she shares a lot of the female characteristics you describe. Even if Indar always spawned a female Sanyassan, the depiction is still erroneous (given Terak keeps calling Indar a he), and should probably be moved down the BTS section and given a brief explanation. StarsiderSWG (talk) 23:49, July 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm just going to fill you in on a bit more info on Sanyassan's from SWG:
 * 1) In the game, there were only 5 named Sanyassan's: Terak, Szingo, and Jorak (They appeared at the Marauder Stronghold), and of course Indar. Then there was Macchbraus, who lived in a camp on Endor.
 * 2) Macchbraus basically betrayed the Marauders by giving a quest which revealed the secrets of two types of Marauder armor: Reconnaissance armor (which looks like the one Terak wears) and Assault armor (which looks like the one Macchbraus wears). Battle armor was a third type of Marauder armor, but its designs were not secret, and could be created by the galaxy at large. I'll create/expand articles on these armor suits during the week. Sanyassan's weren't the only beings to wear Marauder armor. The Blackguard would wear parts of it, as well as other factions. Usually only the helmet though.
 * 3) Sanyassan's only appeared on Endor in SWG in the Marauder Stronghold, the Orphaned Marauder's Cave, and Macchbraus' camp.
 * 4) Vartonis may or may not have been a Sanyassan. He could have been Sayormi. Either way, you may want to mention that Sanyassan's had the potential for Force sensitivity.
 * 5) Also, you may be interested in this Sanyassan skull image. I'll upload a cleaned up and cropped version later.
 * 6) I will give some more info later on the type of Sanyassan's that inhabited the Orphaned Marauder's Cave, as well as some other tidbits.StarsiderSWG (talk) 00:41, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Okay, some more info for you:
 * 1) After checking out the TRE files, there are indeed subcategories of Sanyassan Marauders that appeared on Endor. I do not know exactly where these Marauders appeared. Some probably appeared in the Orphaned Marauder Cave, and others across the wilderness of Endor. A few of the subcategories of Sanyassan's I can confirm appeared in SWG included:
 * Feral marauders
 * Blood crazed plains marauders
 * Frenzied marauders
 * Grassland blood marauders
 * Wandering desert marauders (I'm going to say could be found in the game's Salma Desert)
 * Wasteland marauders
 * All of the above wore some type of Marauder armor. "Berserk marauders" may have been another subcategory.
 * 1) Unfortunately, while I do have images of the Orphaned Marauder Cave in my folders which I will upload, I actually don't have many images of Sanyassans, and there actually aren't that many online that aren't already on Wookieepedia. That one image of the female Sanyassan in the main article is of a Sanyassan from the Orphaned Marauder Cave. It's the only clear image of a true female Sanyassan that I know of from SWG. However, in the Orphaned Marauder Cave article, some of the images you can see Sanyassans.
 * 2) This link contains some info on Marauders in the SWG portion of Star Wars Insider ( http://www.rpgplanet.com/starwars/articles/swi/swi-swg2.htm )
 * 3) Checking out the DDS files in the TRE files does confirm that the female Sanyassan's had the smoother skin appearance.
 * 4) Originally, the Developers were considering adding a Marauder Heroic to SWG, which would have involved King Terak. However, it was never implemented. To the right is a painting of King Terak which would have been added as a redeemable decorative item for completing the heroic. MarauderKing.jpg
 * 5) There was also a weapon called the Marauder Sword, but I'm not yet sure if it was related to the Sanyassan's
 * 6) That's all I can think of. But if you have any questions, let me know. StarsiderSWG (talk) 17:21, July 16, 2012 (UTC)

Re: E-mail references
You can use e-mails as references, provided you post the e-mail on the article's subpage, or provide a screen shot of the e-mail. We use e-mail references often. :)  Trak Nar  Ramble on 08:03, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yep, that would work. Let an admin know when you post it so that way it can be locked to prevent editing.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 08:47, July 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Done and done. Sorry it took me longer than planned.  I was out yesterday and got back late tonight.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 04:39, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

French GBG
Well, firstly, I would not trust a third party transcription. There may be errors and the like. Secondly, I would inquire as to whether or not one of our editors has access to the game and can confirm the references being included on not (sadly, I do not own the game, so therefore cannot check). Thirdly, generally we accept such references from foreign language publications. For example, some unique information from the German-language editions of the Official Star Wars Fact Files had been added to articles (Sedriss QL comes to mind here). As long the BTS details the usage and history of the article, it should be fine. - Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 18:46, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Charal
Lelal! A big congrats on your first Featured Article. Fantastic job, and we all hope to see many more from you. Bring on the Sanyassans! Menkooroo (talk) 21:22, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I sure will. I still have several projects, including Sanyassan, B'rknaa and Hakagram Graush. ;-) --LelalMekha (talk) 21:35, July 19, 2012 (UTC)