Talk:Alliance to Restore the Republic/Legends

Force Sensitives in the RA previous to Episode V
Reading over the article and questioning a line at the end of "A New Hope" paragraph:

"they [The Rebel Alliance] gained their only loyal member with training in the use of the Force and the skills of the purged Jedi Knights."

Wouldn't Rahm Kota qualify as atleast one Jedi who is still alive as of 0 BBY/1 ABY? Because I would like to change the sentance so it incorporates him and Luke. Kenzo V 23:27, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Image weirdness
I uploaded the symbol of the Alliance just as it is on Wikipedia; same name, same image. When I look at this article, I still see the Missing Image message. I've cleared my cache and restarted my browser and everything, but it still won't show up. If I come to the article via the Rebel redirect, I see the image. If, while viewing "Rebel Alliance", I click on the edit link, then I see the image in the preview. But looking at the article itself without following a redirect I still can't see the image. Anyone have a clue what's going on? -- Aidje 13:21, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC) Hey, the "Remember Alderaan" poster is in our alphabet. Why not in Aurabesh? Just a thought. Θ 20:25, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * It works now. So weird. I guess I just need more patience. -- Aidje 13:22, 26 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Do we know what the symbol is supposed to repersent? IF yes, such a reference should be included here 62.74.50.200 21:28, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * A "terrestrial" explanation would be that it represents a phoenix rising from the ashes of the fallen Galactic Republic. Surely there is an IU equivalent, but I do not know if it has ever been named. --SparqMan 20:18, 13 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, knowing how some Earthly animals have been called "Space (animal name)", we could always say it is a "Space Pheonix" or "(some planet name) Pheonix". Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:20, 13 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Whoever made it obviously didn't care. Plus, someone from Earth made it, not someone in the Alliance. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:27, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)

I see. Where is the image from anyways? Θ 02:11, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I've seen it on a fan site once, but I don't know whether it's fan art or not. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:23, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Its from a RPG sourcrbook... like the Empire Propaganda Poster and the CSA Propaganda Poster. Cant remember if it was the galactic campaign guide or the Hero's guide Razzy1319 03:09, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * CSA? Don't you mean "CIS"? Admiral J. Nebulax 20:59, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Corporate Sector Authority propaganda poster, so is the Empire Propaganda poster --Razzy1319 21:48, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Oops. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:33, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Padmé Amidala
While Padmé Amidala was an outspoken opponent to Palpatine, and a sympathetic ally to Mon Mothma and Bail Organa, I have not seen a source that indicates she was directly involved in the foundation of the formal Alliance that was created by Mon Mothma, Organa and Garm Bel Iblis with the Corellian Treaty. What sources say otherwise? --SparqMan 23:42, 17 Aug 2005 (UTC) Acturally, Garm Bel Iblis was part of the Delegation of 2000. -- SFH 21:21, 11 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * She was part of the Delegation of 2000 (which contained Organa and Mothma, but not Bel Iblis), which was the Alliance forerunner, but not the actual Alliance itself. Her databank entry on the OS site should explain this further. QuentinGeorge 05:55, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)


 * What about the Deleted Scenes on the ROTS dvd? I thought those were pretty clear. GMo

Who Created It?
If it wasn't Bail and it wasn't Mon than who created The Alliance? Dylankidwell 01:23, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, really, Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, and Garm Bel Iblis were the founders of the Alliance. There were other Senators that also helped in the formation of the Rebel Alliance, but those three are the key founders. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 12:41, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I read somewhere, that in theory, that Amidala was the de facto founder of the Alliance. But if the canonicity lies with the Corellian Treaty, I'm willing to go with that. Θ 20:29, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, that idea is completely wrong. Amidala wasn't even a member of the Alliance. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:55, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Regardless, she helped form it. Finis Valorum, was infact the man considered to be the de facto founder of the Republic.
 * No, she did not. She had nothing to do with the Rebel Allaince itself. Admiral J. Nebulax 13:23, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * How can Valorum be considered the founder of the Republic? He was alive a thousand or more years after the foundation, so by your argument, it still doesn't work...


 * I believe mention should be made now that the TFU narration has been released about how the formal alliance was precipitated by an Imperial plot to expose enemies of the Empire. The events are shown, but not the genesis of those events.  The TFU graphic novel makes it appear that the formalization of the rebellion came about because of that botched scheme.  Medleystudios72 20:59, 25 August 2008 (UTC)

Members?
I see a 'members' section on Alliance of Free Planets, but not here. Do we have any clear member planets/systems to add to such a section? Or at least planets with a Rebel presence/internal conflict. VT-16 15:33, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think a planet with a Rebel presence counts. Admiral J. Nebulax 19:43, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Most planets that declared support for the Alliance (and even some that were simply suspected of doing so) usually got an Imperial Star Destroyer in orbit. Said ISD usually blasted the populace back to the stone age. Thus, only a few planets actually declared support openly. So it would be a relatively small number. -- SFH 19:51, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * True. Admiral J. Nebulax 19:55, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Ralltiir, Gerrard V, Mon Calamari, Abridon, Averam, Alderaan, Virgillia, Togoria, etc. Many former CIS worlds joined the Alliance. Anyway, by the time of the Battle of Yavin, the Rebels could challene the Empire in open conflict -SWF Shouldn't Romm and Delantine be added? Certainly Delantine, as it had an Alliance Governor76.182.247.74 23:57, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Alliance redirect
Alliance redirects here. Should we turn Alliance into a disambig page for the other Alliance's, such as the Galactic Alliance, the Alliance of Free Planets, and the Corporate Alliance? -- SFH 19:02, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I think so. Alliance is too broad a word to be limited to one article. --AdmThrawn 19:05, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Admiral J. Nebulax 19:12, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Name?
Why insisting on naming it Alliance to Restore the Republic and not Rebel Alliance? Almost everybody refers to it like that and it is also the name used in the databank. --UVnet 15:22, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Alliance to Restore the Republic is the offical name of the Rebel Alliance. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:18, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * What source specifically first used the term "Alliance to Restore the Republic"??? As far as I know, it has been called the "Rebel Alliance" since the beginning in 1977. What source specifically makes this new title any more "official" than the old one we have been using without any problems or confusion for decades??? -- Frank V Bonura 16:32, October 19, 2009 (UTC)

Major Edit
I have been adding a great deal of information to this page, namely under the history and government sections. It is a shame that such an important article is so short and lacking in detail. Lets all try to pitch in and fix this article! :-) AdmiralNick22 18:03, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, this isn't the only article, then. Galactic Federation of Free Alliances still needs a lot of work, too. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 19:37, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * And we are working on it. :-) AdmiralNick22 22:11, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank God. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:15, 6 March 2006 (UTC)

Also, why was it reverted when I changed it
 * Because it screwed up everything. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:31, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

Oh. I was still working on it, you did it pretty quickly -SWF
 * I can tell you right away, it screwed up just about everything. The text box, the article itself... Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 13:05, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

size?
any good estimates or sources on the alliance's size at it's height before endor? any breakdown on numbers regarding infantry, crew, pilots, ect and the size and breakdown of the fleet?

Featured article
Who here thinks this is featured article material? Jacen Solo ( Request Audience )
 * I disagree, I think it needs more content... it just seems like there's something missing...Sanzerai 18:26, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

First Battle Won
In the opening scrawl of Ep. IV, it said that the Alliance just won its first major victory, what was it?
 * I think it meant that they had captured the Death Star plans, rather than winnig a specific battle. See timeline of the Galactic Civil War, especially Operation Skyhook. Chack Jadson 13:15, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

New Plympto

 * On the New Plympto page, it says the Empire controlled the planet. Yet, here it says the Alliance did. Which is it? Chack Jadson 13:15, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess no one knows. Chack Jadson 20:34, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Dantooine?

 * how do we know Dantooine was a real Rebel Base? GMo
 * "Our scout ships have reached Dantooine. They found the remains of a Rebel base, but they estimate that it has been deserted for some time." - Lord Hydronium 23:28, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Expansion...
I think this article is somewhat sparse compared to, say, the Galactic Empire article. It only really says what happened to the Alliance in the films and little besides that. Unit 8311 12:49, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

Loss of Hoth section
Somebody please clean it up. It talks about Lando joining before it mentions the loss of Han, and it fails to mention that Lando 'betrayed' Han. It also starts talking about "the fleet at Vergesso Astroids" abruptly thereafter. Everything up to this point in the article is good (I haven't read beyond this section yet), but this section needs revision and greater clarity, because if I didn't already know what they were talking about, I'd be pretty confused.129.107.81.12 16:17, 9 May 2008 (UTC)

image colour
the colour is red not blue from dark forces and many other sorces &mdash;Unsigned comment by Ryal (talk &bull; contribs).


 * Sources like, you know, them movies.--MaGnUs 02:36, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Name
Its called the Rebel Alliance who said its called the Alliance to Restore the Galactic Republic? WHO? WHO?(Gabriel Mckain 07:11, 27 September 2008 (UTC))
 * Um, the StarWars.com Databank, for one. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 10:50, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Um, the actual title of the SW Databank article is Rebel Alliance. And that term is used repeatedly throughout the article.  This "long form" name (Alliance to Restore the Republic) does appear in the article and is suggested as the "formal" name, but it's clearly not the common name.  It's never called that in the films, and indeed "Rebel Alliance" is the only thing, other than "Rebellion", that it's ever called.  I'd challenge you to find examples in the EU of it being called this.  Think about it.  It couldn't have been the Alliance to Restore the Republic until after the completion of Episode III.  The Rebel Alliance of the original trilogy isn't ever shown to be trying to restore the old order—just to get rid of the current regime.  Remember, the old order wasn't that popular anyway; that's the whole reason Palpatine was able to use perfectly ordinary politics to bring it down—not the brute use of the Dark SIde.


 * Indeed, I think the SW Databank article uses the ARGR name when talking about what the founders of the Rebellion might have formally called themselves. DId Mon Mothma and Bail Organa want to Restore the GR?  Sure, cause they were huge beneficiaries of it.  But as they moved forward and to get help from all peoples opposed to the Empire, it really just became the more general Rebel Alliance.  In other words, I think that the Alliance to Restore and the Rebel Alliance are in fact two different things, one having grown out of the other.


 * Should this article make note of this quite new LucasFilm appellation? Of course.  But should this article take on board this new name, when it has virtually no presence in any canon to this point?  No.


 * This article's name should be changed to Rebel Alliance, simply on the basis of the general Wiki guideline that articles should have the most commonly recognized name, anyway. Czech Out  ☎ | ✍  00:16, 29 September 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree Alexsau1991 09:15, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * "Quite new Lucasfilm appellation"? Hardly.  This goes back a LONG way in Expanded Universe sources, at least as far as the Heir to the Empire Sourcebook in 1992, and probably further; and it has had a regular presence in works since then, from the Dark Empire Sourcebook (1993) to A Guide to the Star Wars Universe (Second Edition) (1994) to The Far Orbit Project (1998) to The Essential Chronology (2000) to the Rebellion Era Sourcebook (2001) to the Databank entry you've already discovered - and that's by no means exhaustive.  Make no mistake, this term has both deep and wide roots, and it was always used as a more formal synonym for the Rebel Alliance.  jSarek 13:39, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe it actually originated in the Star Wars novelization in 1976. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 13:53, 15 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't suppose you have a chapter and page number? -- Frank V Bonura 16:36, October 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * Chapter V, Page 75 of my '83 edition. It goes back even further, to Lucas' fourth draft of the script. Leia mentions it in her holo-message to Kenobi. Dangerdan97 06:56, November 6, 2009 (UTC)

Eh? What? Come Again?
Didn't Marek go to Cloud City to find Kota???-- JuiceStain  Rock on!   20:53, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but another version of the game (for the PSP, PS2, and Wii) has Marek find Kota on Nar Shaddaa. I think we're going with the book on this issue (which would mean Cloud City). Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 20:55, 29 September 2008 (UTC)

Why?
Why did we redirect Rebel Marksman and turn it into this one article?