Talk:Cade Skywalker

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Nerdgasm
* nerdgasm* --Imp 17:48, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
 * How many years down the line is this? -Danik Kreldin 17:52, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
 * 100 years after the Dark Nest trilogy, apparently. --Imp 17:53, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh. My. Lord. This looks amazing. Here's the thread over at TF.N. Ostrander states it's "set 100 years AFTER the events in NJO and the upcoming Legacy of the Force novels". I need to think up a new word for how utterly fantastic this is going to be - Kwenn 17:56, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think Imp's word above pretty much sums it up. Sweet mother of kriffing Sith.... --Azizlight 01:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * *repeats nerdgasm* -- Riffsyphon1024 06:08, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * *blinks* ...things certainly happened in my absence, eh? QuentinGeorge 06:45, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * also i wanted to third the nerdgasm. i keep checking this page and the dark horse message boards.  NERD!!!!!! Lonnyd 08:26, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, this is certainly interesting! I only wish they'd have had the guts to make the last Skywalker a girl (in which case they could have named her Jade Skywalker :D). It's about time for the GFFA to grow out of this "only male descendants can carry on the family name/legacy" thing. Leia's children are every bit as much Skywalkers as Ben is, even without the family name. Oh well. --Tinwe 09:38, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you have a point there in general, except that Liea's kids aren’t really good Skywalker heirs, because they have wayyyyy to much Solo in them, and any offspring they produce, whatever the child's gender will be a Solo heir. Also, you're wrong that only men have carried down the Skywalker line. The first Skywalker was a women, remember. Anakin was conceived supernaturally, so the Skywalkers start with Shmi. --Jad Jermain
 * Does anyone else NOT like this idea? I thought they realised that the Empire was old 5 or 6 years ago... thats why they had the Empire join the GFFA and came up with the Vong and others as new antagonists.   Bringing them back as the enemy seems like a step backwards.  And I think placing it only 100 years later is going to tie the hands of the Legacy authors.  I would have been much happier with something 1000 years into the future with no ties to the current characters, with a new enemy.(it could even have been the Sith... just anything but the Empire...) --2Guns 18:42, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * In interviews with the series creators, it's been stated that although the new Empire traces its origins back to Palpatine, it’s not the same evil totalitarian organization it during the Rebellion era. It’s been explicitly stated that the new Empire isn’t all evil, but it seems they do an autocratic and authoritarian streak.Also, from what I’m seeing, it looks like the Sith are the new main villain, and the Empire is more of a foil. If this was a resurrection of Palpatine’s Empire, and if they were going to be the main villain, I’d agree that it’s a bad idea, but it seems clear that’s not what’s going on here. Jad Jermain


 * I, for one, does not like the idea. KEJ 14:02, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 2Guns, it doesn't actually say anywhere that the "All new Empire" mentioned on the poster is the same orginisation that Palpatine ruled over. So your arguement, which relies on the fact that its the same group is unfounded. For all we know this new Empire is the GFFA. Jasca Ducato 12:59, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess it could be the GFFA, but the preview I read said they were fighting against a resurgent Empire, not an all new one.--2Guns 17:36, 9 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Sith empire?--Xilentshadow900 00:17, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * No, you're not the only one. I don't see any appeal at all to this concept. 68.47.234.131 08:02, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Shame. It could be a Sith Empire but i doubt it. That idea has been used waayyyyy to many times. Maybe a Sith back Galactic power. that would draw my attention. Jasca Ducato 15:45, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Insider and Leland Chee confirm it's actually our beloved Galactic Empire back to rule the galaxy with a new Emperor in charge, using the same uniforms and tech as they did in the last century - Kwenn 17:35, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, that's kind of dissapointing if you ask me. Lonnyd 18:26, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Steven Tyler look-a-like
Does anyone else think he looks like Steven Tyler from Aerosmith? :D I thought he looked more like a "fuller in the face"/"blonder" Hayden Christensen... who's had no sleep and is on drugs. Either that or a cross between Luke Skywalker and Lobo. Whatever, he's a pirate. Not keen on the tattoo... but come on. PIRATE. Let's hope he shoots first. (Ulicus 15:05, 19 May 2006 (UTC)) A friend of mine and I actually think he looks more like David Bowie from Labyrinth. His mother too Delphi 03:59, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Aha, keep forgetting the signature. --Juha 19:51, 1 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Really? I thought he looked like David Bowie. Jad Jermain
 * Yeah the lips. Perhaps Ben Skywalker hitches up with Liv Tyler :-) --Azizlight 01:27, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Needs dark hair. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:08, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not really digging the artist's style. -- Doo Doo 07:41, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not really digging anything of this direction of the Star Wars Universe at all. KEJ 14:02, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, in the newest pictures that were released, he sort of looks like he's sporting an Afro. - Breathesgelatin 03:44, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * A blonde-brain afro. Lonnyd 06:23, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. Also, how secret can his Jedi abilities be if he's sporting a lightsaber around in that picture? - Breathesgelatin 09:19, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I think he's discovered his family and revealed it to his buds, so everyone knows hat he's a Jeedai (hiss) and they're okay with that. --Jeedai123 01:46, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well it is known that he is on drugs. Someone today said he looked like Billy Idol. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:32, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Please don't restart old topics. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 11:28, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Last of anything?
Where is there any evidence that Cade is last of the Jedi OR last of the Skywalker line? Lonnyd 05:54, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Nothing. They're fanwanking him already! Tam 08:06, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Not the last Jedi (in fact, it specifically says he isn't), but Skywalker, yes: "Even as their power is failing, the Jedi hold to one final hope: the last remaining heir to the Skywalker legacy." (from the Legacy #0 solicitation on Rebelscum). - Lord Hydronium 08:14, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Can you provide a link for that? Not that I don't believe you, I just want any info available on this right now. Lonnyd 08:39, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Second item down. - Lord Hydronium 09:52, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * What about the Solos? Or are Jacen/Jaine Solo considered skywalkers as well and we assume they aren't around either. Personal Comment: I don't like the concept, it's set too close to the classic times and it wants to make "everything new" I thought Jedi can live pretty long, so one would expect that around 140 ABY Ben or Allana are still alive? Anonyomous User, soon to be registered

If you ask me, this whole "One final hope for the Jedi" thing is WAY overused. I mean come on! Why do they need a Skywalker to lead them? They never did before. The Jedi order lasted 1000 years after the Ruusan reformation, WITHOUT a Skywalker. Where as WITH a Skywalker it only lasted 100. Besides how many times can the Jedi order as a whole be in danger? They are the "Guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy" right? I understand the battle of dark and light, and I have no problem with them using it. If they want to make the Sith return, that’s cool with me. But if the Sith were to return they should return as they were in the days of old. After all Darth Bane's order was shattered was it not? Dargos 20:57, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Well at least Luke is out of the picture. He is my 2nd most disliked character after Palpatine. Dargos 21:03, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * wow, good thing you dont write for the EU.

But seriously, Bane's order was shattered. I for one would find it more interesting if Palpatine's empire was fully disolved by now, and the Sith were a full blown empire again. Really how can Palpatine's empire survive everything that has happened so far and return AGAIN? It seems to me that it would be a real threat if the Sith numbered in the thousands again or at least in the hundreds. That would be a good reason for the Jedi to be going extinct AGAIN(Which is getting really old). 68.2.19.113 03:40, 10 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree whole-heartedly on the "extinction of the Jedi" thing getting real annoying. But, from what we know right now, there are at least three sith, which would seem to mean that Darth Bane's order had been destroyed. Lonnyd 22:37, 9 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it looks better than the prequels. I'm all for a PIRATE Jedi. I'm not really bothered about the Sith returning either, I'm quite happy to think that Anakin's restoring "Balance" is more abstract and complicated than just "eliminate the Sith", so all's well. I AM a little peeved about the whole "Jedi Order on the brink of destruction" thing again though... at least so DAMN SOON after the last one. I mean, at least when they shamelessly ripped it off in KotOR II that was like 3,951 years before the films... I think "100 years later" is a bit too soon. (Ulicus 15:07, 19 May 2006 (UTC))

How could Ben be his father?
If I understand the first sentence in parenthesis right, it says that Ben Skywalker was Cade's father. How could he be? Ben was born in 26 ABY. Even assuming he was 60 when Cade was born, then Cade would be 66 during the Legacy-era. There should be at least one, or not two generations between Ben and Cade. - TopAce 11:46, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. I should write a fic about "??? Skywalker". --Jeedai123 22:02, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Descendant just means Cade came after Ben. He could be his son, grandson, great-great-great grandson, and so on. He could even be the son/grandson of another child Luke and Mara may have had later. CooperTFN 22:19, 8 April 2006 (UTC)

Please note that there is NO evidence that Ben is even Cade's ancestor. At this point, that is only presumed and has never been stated. - Breathesgelatin 05:39, 1 May 2006 (UTC) He has to be Ben's decendant, Luke and Mara are to freaking old to have another kid! What are you talking about? Luke and Mara are like alomost 60! You meen you're actually implying that Luke slept with Callista?!!! NO Where on Earth did it say that? By the way I never said I didn't like Callista I just think Cade is of Ben's bloodline.
 * Didn't the insider issue say that Cade knows about his ancestors - Luke, Ben etc.? At least that's what I heard. - Sikon [ Talk ] 05:44, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh... I haven't gotten my Insider in the mail yet. Maybe so. Oh well. If I'm wrong (and I'm probably am), someone will fix it. - Breathesgelatin 05:51, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Insider says Anakin and Luke, but not Ben, leaving it open for anything to happen to them. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:41, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No one ever said it was impossible. Last time I checked, there was an old lady who gave birth in our universe. Nonetheless, I have no doubt that Cade is Ben's decendant. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 20:41, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Who knows when women in the Star Wars Universe reach menopause.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|20px]] 04:27, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * So? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 20:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Please note that Luke had other girlfriends. As much as I wouldn't like this to be the case, there's always the possibility that Luke fathered an unknown child with Callista or someone, from whom Kol and Cade are descended. Personally, I think the fact that we haven't had the Ben-Kol-Cade descendancy confirmed for us is a sign that they're leaving squeeze room for something. - Breathesgelatin 23:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, if you were the last Jedi at a time, wouldn't you sleep with other people and try to get more Force-sensitives around? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 22:10, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, you're not Luke Skywalker anyway. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 23:48, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * LOL...it looks like our anonymous friend has a distaste towards Callista.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 23:50, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Just for the record, it's pretty much explicit in the Callista trilogy that Luke and Callist DID have sex.  - breathesgelatin Talk 23:53, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I totally agree with you. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg|25px]] 00:55, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Page 301 in [[Children of the Jedi:
 * "After Callista had left&mdash;or perhaps while she still lay in his arms, her head pillowed on his shoulder in the aftermath of loving&mdash;he had drifted into sleep." Now, I'll grant you that this is while she's still a spirit, but if they're having quasi-spirit-sex when she doesn't have a body, why wouldn't they when she does? Also, in Darksaber the two are living together and talking about having children.  - breathesgelatin Talk 05:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Sure bla bla bla. If Callista had Luke's child it's last name would NOT be Skywalker. Besides Luke would not make Ben step down from leading the jedi and let the child take his place! THANK YOU!! I've got 2 (maybe more) people that aggree with me! ha ha. As you said to me once Nebulax "Now let this post end it". Just kidding! Jaina Solo is. OKAY OKAY OKAY! I exagerated a little bit. But Cade has to be of Ben's bloodline or his last name wouldn't be SKYWALKER! Okay how about (I can't believe I'm going to say this). What if Callista did have a child and that a child and Ben ADOPTED it? I meant what if Ben adopted that child's child? Yeah. Well maybe a kid before Kol.
 * That's true... Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 11:20, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Especially since it's implied that (at least to Han) Cray Mingla is a 'looker'.Tocneppil 21:53, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Excellent point. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 22:49, 5 October 2006 (UTC)
 * If Callista did have any children with Luke don't you think she would tell him. Besides it's confirmed that Ben will be the only child. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg|25px]] 18:18, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It is said that Ben will be the only child of Luke and Mara. Luke having an illegitimate child with Callista (or Lumiya, although that's less likely) has not been ruled out. I still think there's a reason why they won't connect Cade's ancestry directly to Ben besides the fact that establishing it would fix Ben's fate.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 18:43, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, no one's actually agreeing with you. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 21:01, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Last time I checked, one doesn't equal "2 (maybe more)". Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 00:09, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Not true. Callista could have chosen to name their uncertain offspring "(name) Skywalker". Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 13:14, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That wouldn't work. Ben would be younger than Luke and Callista's possible child. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 20:17, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you mean like Ben adopting Kol Skywalker, who, for this example, is the son of Callista's son/daughter with Luke? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 15:01, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the only thing we can do is guess. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 19:27, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Behind the Scenes
"Cade Skywalker's first name may also be derived from the smuggler of the same name, Cade, played by Shane Felux in the fan film Star Wars: Revelations." - Oh, come on now. CooperTFN 22:22, 8 April 2006 (UTC) "'belonged to a really tall Ewok with a Vader obsession. Cade got them at a thrift store on Lok.' Presumably this is not canon." That made me laugh out loud. Lonnyd 20:30, 15 April 2006 (UTC) So about that latest addition to the BTS by an anon........ Is that really necessary? If so, can I add "Other people think Cade is awesome?" Lonnyd 10:48, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Some Anon put that in...I know, I know...wishful thinking for the anon, isn't it? QuentinGeorge 22:52, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Has anyone noticed that Cade is wearing the bottom half of Darth Vader's suit on the cover. 17:35
 * Yeah, I did. And I also noticed that you need to sign your post. :D --Jeedai123 01:44, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, either Vader had many suits of armor (which he probably did), or Cade managed to get a part of Vader's suit remade just for him. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 01:47, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Good guess, Neb. I'll go with the second one. They probably sent Bantha Boy to Endor, then remade Vader's legs. I'm guessing that during the time of the comic, Bantha Boy is working on the body. --Jeedai123 01:56, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Check this out! http://s4.invisionfree.com/mindbreak/index.php?showtopic=911&st=15]Cade'n Friends Awesome+Good+Cool+Wickedly sweet=Those uncolored pages. --Jeedai123 01:56, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Is that real? It looks real.  I wet myself on that last page. Lonnyd 19:53, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * He resembels the fanonist ideal, and he has Darth Vader's pants...I just keep getting more reasons to hate the Legacy comics. -- SFH 01:59, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * We're left, I suppose, to pray that someone has the decency to cancel this nonsense. Or at least slap one of these on it. Red XIV 06:47, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, please, would you fanboys calm down? You haven't even read a single issue yet. Sheesh. QuentinGeorge 23:27, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * That Yuuzhan Vong Sith is awesome. AnakinSolo (a.k.a. me!)'s reaction was funny.
 * I don't think that's a Yuuzhan Vong Sith. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 23:36, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Quentin - I see how often you edit this page. You can admit you're excited, we won't think less of you. ;) Lonnyd 07:45, 16 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm so excited about this, man. I count down till May 17 on my Star Wars calendar. XD --AnakinSolo 01:10, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Quentin, I admit I may be harping on this, but grant me that my complaints are not that unreasonable. Is it so wrong that I want Sith Lords who have put some thought into their names? Is it so wrong that I ask for a main character that doesn't seem to be some hyper active fanonists idea of a Mary Sue character? -- SFH 01:45, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * You're right, we haven't read any issues yet. So we don't know whether the execution of this concept will be good or bad. That doesn't mean we can't judge the concept itself to be trash. Red XIV 01:45, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Geez, show a little faith. This serise is written by the same guy who brought us Vos and Alya... So unless you're going to tell me you're a Vos hater too, why not wait until you read the fisrt issue or two before making up your mind :-) [[Jad Jermain|Jad Jermain
 * I agree and I deleted it. If we decide it's really important, we need to add that other people think he is awesome. Plenty of people I know are getting back into comics just for the Legacy series. - Breathesgelatin 05:35, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

Infobox
What policy do we have for individuals who changed their affiliation? Should Cade, for instance, have a Jedi or bounty hunter infobox? - Sikon [ Talk ] 08:19, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I would say Bounty hunter at this point, until he eventually rejoins the order (which we all know he will). We should go by  their last known affiliation, I think. Lonnyd 20:56, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

Vader pants
Is it me, or does it look like he's wearing Vader's pants and boots? KEJ 17:00, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * looks that way to me... Darth_Vaders_Cousin
 * Yep. --AnakinSolo 00:59, 29 April 2006 (UTC)
 * "Your multi-great grandfather wanted you to have these when you were old enough..." Haha. Why not? If they're as indestructable as the glove... ;) (Ulicus 15:08, 19 May 2006 (UTC))
 * He sure is. And he's also waring one of thos freaky coats that Luke and the Clone Emperor were wearing all through Dark Empire. Jad Jermain


 * And wearing partial Mandalorian armour. That's good stuff.

Quiet Mandalorian 03:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * You don't think the Skywalkers married into the Mandos? Creepy.

ApprenticeEternal 20:29, 6 April, 2007
 * Please don't restart old topics. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 11:28, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

Cade vs. Kane
"In early iterations of the Star Wars script, the character that became Luke Skywalker had the first name Kane." Kane...is not Cade. What's the point of that Bts entry? --SparqMan 21:18, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

My ol' Webster's dictionary defines a 'cade' as a lamb left by its mother & reared by hand -fits the orphan theory.Tocneppil 09:14, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Why does everyone seek symbolism in everything? Can't Cade be just a random name? - Sikon [ Talk ] 12:01, 17 June 2006 (UTC)

Force Lightning?

 * After reading Legacy 1, it does seem like Force Lightning that is reviving Cade's master, but all other forms of Force Lightning are meant to hurt, maim, or kill, not revive someone back to life. Is this even the correct term, or was Cade using a Force Heal? -- Riffsyphon1024 04:21, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It stands to reason that lighting might start a heart beating again... clear! *BLAM* --Azizlight 04:22, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, right. I couldn't place it into a 21st century context. So this means this is the first time Force Lightning has ever been used in this way, and should be noted on its article. -- Riffsyphon1024 04:23, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No it isn't. Dooku revived Grievous the same way. Check the Grievous article. QuentinGeorge 06:43, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for that correction Quentin. Still both instances are worth adding to the lightning article. I have already added Cade's and can change it to reflect Dooku's if need be. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:47, 22 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know if it's me, but it always seemed to me like Dooku was holding a small device to do his thing with Grievous. --Sauron18 10:37 22 June 2006 (CDT)
 * He actually was, but it was retconned as being Force lightning in a reference book. Yrfeloran 23:58, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I recently heard Ostrander said this wasn't force lightning but rather what Palpatine was looking for. Can anyone confirm/deny?--Sauron18 02:22, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It doesn't look like Force lightning. It's blue energy. There the similiarities end. How often do you see the person casting Force lightning also glowing themselves? Oh yeah. Never. It was quite clearly some new, instinctive technique with which Cade could "save others from death".(80.1.72.245 18:05, 22 October 2006 (UTC))
 * You have no source to back up your claim that it wasn't Force lightning. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 18:48, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You have no source to claim that it was. Xepeyon 16:34, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * As stated above, Dooku used Force lightning to keep Grievous alive after his shuttle crash. Therefore, all evidence points toward it being Force lightning. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:15, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * These cases are totally different. Grievous was still ALIVE, while Wolf was DEAD. Dooku basically just used the lightning like we would use a defibrillator.  While this is useful, I have yet to see someone use one  to bring a corpse back to life.  Until someone shows me a canon source that proves otherwise, I have to conclude that this is beyond the abilities of Force lightning.  70.249.230.91 21:46, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * This is an old topic. The Force power has already been made into an article. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Age
Jan Duursema has confirmed Cade and Shado are supposed to be 14 in 130 ABY - Kwenn 18:23, 23 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That explains why Shado looks like a girl (or his sister) so much in Legacy 1. Thank you for clearing that up. -- Riffsyphon1024 05:06, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * So then, He's a fourteen year old spice user? Or does this take place in 140 ABY again? -- SFH 04:43, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The later bits take place 10 years later, yes. QuentinGeorge 04:55, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Cade a Spice User?
In the Cade Skywalker page here at Wookiepedia it says that Cade is a known spice user but I PM'ed John Ostrander and Jan Duursema at the force.net boards and John told me he to keep reading but Jan Duursema told me that maybe it's been said that he smuggled everything from Blasters to Spice. I think that should be changed. Cade Skywalker June 28, 2006
 * I think it should stay, as Legacy #0 twice states that he's a spice user. Lonnyd 17:13, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * In Legacy #0 it only says that Pirate Rav provides Bounty Hunters with engine parts and spice but it doesn't state that Cade uses it. Cade Skywalker 17:22 June 28, 2006 (UTC)
 * Confirmed in #3. Lonnyd 05:17, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Exiled from the Order
That whole section seems A) very redundant of what is stated earlier in the article and B) very speculative. Anyone object to me removing it all together? Lonnyd 10:04, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Scratch that, it just all needs to be more organized chronologically. Lonnyd 10:05, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Ben
The article now definitely says that Cade was Ben's descendant. So it's now known for sure? - Sikon 18:26, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Unless I missed something, I think it's still pretty much an assumption.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 19:09, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I can't find this anywhere, but I think I remember Leland Chee saying that Ben would be an only child. Lonnyd 22:05, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yer, and to be honest Kol has Ben's hair etc, but yes its speculation Jedi Dude 22:27, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but it seems like "solid speculation". Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 11:25, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ben's hair color is reddish blond while Kol's hair is red like Mara's.  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff [[Image:JainaPurple.jpg |30px]] 12:22, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * If you're suggesting that he can't be Ben's son, here's a solution to that: Traits can skip a generation. For example, my grandfather had the same color hair that I do, but my father didn't. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 19:59, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No just pointing it out. In this case it skips about five generations.  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff [[Image:JainaPurple.jpg |30px]] 21:26, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Considering the prevalance of red haired persons in the GFFA, it's not unreasonable that Kol got his hair from some other bloodline.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 21:38, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly, and yep my hiar is ginger and that skipped six generations. GET IN. back on track its all speculation in any case...who knows Ben might die some time, haha. Jedi Dude 21:42, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * But, if Ben is meant to be the only son of Luke, then that's good enough for me. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 21:43, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yer i just used that as an example. Im preety sure there bens decendents..directly i mean Jedi Dude 21:51, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Probably. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 21:52, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not speculation, Cade descended from Luke and Anakin right? LFL confirmed that Ben will be the only child of Luke and Mara, besides they're too old. Therefore Cade is a descendant of Ben.  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff [[Image:JainaPurple.jpg |30px]] 22:01, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You're assuming he's the descendant of Mara. They didn't explicitly say that. QuentinGeorge 20:54, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 22:05, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm glad you agree with me on this one Admiral.  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff [[Image:JainaPurple.jpg |30px]] 22:09, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, this is probably the only type of speculation I'd encourage. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 23:19, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Quentin (aside from the fact that you posted in the middle of a discussion), are you suggesting Luke cheated on Mara? If so, that's major speculation. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 21:09, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Why else would Luke visit Cade if he wasn't related to his family? -- Riffsyphon1024 23:14, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Kol has Mara's red hair and green eyes. How could Kol and Cade not be Mara's descendants.  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff [[Image:JainaPurple.jpg |30px]] 23:17, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that suggestion seems a little too far out. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 00:13, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The Legacy writers and all promo material released thus far have said that Cade is a descendant of Anakin and Luke. No mention has been made of Ben at all in any Legacy promo material, so we don't KNOW if Ben's also Cade's ancestor or not. Although it's logical at this point to assume he is, the writers may have something up their sleeve they don't want to reveal just yet.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 03:39, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * But it's been said that Ben is likely to be the only son of Luke. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 11:22, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * As I said the discussion above: Luke had other girlfriends. In fact, he and Mara married relatively late in life. - Breathesgelatin 23:28, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * You saying that there's might be another illegitimate Skywalker living around on some backwater? -- SFH 23:30, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's my point: LFL has said that Luke and Mara will likely only have one son, Ben. Yet they refuse to confirm that Kol-Cade lineage descends from Ben. Why would they refuse to do this if this wasn't in some way going to reveal a plot point? Therefore, I wonder if there's a trick... eg, Callista was pregnant by Luke. Or another one of his girlfriends. - Breathesgelatin 23:33, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * But wouldn't Luke be aware of this other child? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 00:03, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Impossible.  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff [[Image:JainaPurple.jpg |30px]] 00:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Why do you say that? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 00:05, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * What if Lumiya had Luke's baby? That would add to the hate.  And maybe that child is Darth Krayt AND Cade's Grandfather or something. Lonnyd 07:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * That would be one way of explaining why Lumiya didn't hate Luke anymore... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 11:20, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I recall the authors 'refusing to confirm' he was Ben's descendent, so it definitely shouldn't be in there. Yrfeloran 20:46, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * How about we get a quote from them first. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 02:29, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Would Lumiya even be able to have a child?-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 18:33, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * She should be able to. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 19:40, 6 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Why not?  - breathesgelatin Talk 21:02, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it's pretty safe to assume that unless Luke has a love child out there somewhere, or he gets remarried (which seems unlikely) then Cade is Ben's either grandson or great-grandson.Duke Starhopper 19:25, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Please don't restart old topics. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 00:50, 9 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, I didn't realize that I had to be "up to date" - I just figured that since it's official that Mara can't have any more kids with Luke, it settled that... Should I bow, or salute?Duke Starhopper 22:29, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Nothing's settled, but there's no point continuing the discussion. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:15, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Main image
What does everyone think about the main image? I personally think it sould be the second one (below) because it is a far more realistic rendering. I've changed it once or twice in the past, but it's always gotten changed back. Don't get me wrong, it think the other one is great as well, but I prefer the realism of the second pic.


 * Now I'm torn between this one and option one. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 00:09, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * C, it makes him look manacing and its from the comic directly Jedi Dude 20:27, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, first we'll need the opinions from everyone who voted before this image was an option. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 20:29, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I like picture A way better. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg|25px]] 20:35, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * So, so far it's A: 3, B: 2, and C: 2. Note: I'm not including myself. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 20:42, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I still prefer the second pic. I mean, we tend to favor a photo to a drawing. I don't see why we shouldn't have a more photo-realistic portrait instead of more simplistic drawing or a comic interior. -- Ozzel 20:48, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Ozzel, the second picture has him with more white hair than blond. That wouldn't look good, especially since his hair color is canonically blond. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 23:23, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I vote for picture "A", it's simply his best pose as well as the one in which he is best drawn. --Sauron18 23:32, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * A: 4, B: 2, C: 2. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 23:40, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I vote C. Lonnyd 20:55, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I vote A, although C wouldn't bother me. B just gives me the creeps for some reason.  - breathesgelatin Talk 21:03, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Now it's A: 5, B: 1, and C: 3. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 00:22, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd tend to favor A, because it denotes his personality at this stage in the series as much as his appearance. It seems more in keeping with his "Yeah, Whatever" attitude towards his Skywalker heritage.Tocneppil 19:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * My first choice would be A. -  Angel Blue  (Holonet) 19:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see the hair thing as an issue. It's not "old man" white, it's simply a bleached, light blond with some light shining on it. This is the most detailed image of Cade we have, and it looks the way it does because Jan made it that way. But whatever... -- Ozzel 19:30, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * True, it is the best detailed. I'm withdrawing my vote in order to think it over. -  Angel Blue  (Holonet) 19:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * How is that old man-version Cade image "the best detailed"? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 22:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Image B just looks so creepy. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg |25px]] 18:50, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, B is pretty much eliminated. Now it's down to A and C. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 18:53, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It may be just me, but I like C as it makes Cade look more like he's up to something. Or maybe a sense of cockiness? -- Riffsyphon1024 21:37, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Am I the only one that thinks Cade looks like a total schmuck in the main pic? I think the one down in the "Appearances" section would be a lot more fitting, since so far the exposition in Legacy has indicated that Cade just puts up barriers to hide how he really feels. The pic further on down the page shows a more honest side of him, I think. Plus I think it's just a better pic in general. Thoughts?
 * The current main picture shows Cade as more of on the dark side, which fits his most "recent" personality. The one in the "Appearances" section isn't that great. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 16:34, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * We don't know why he's going to the dark side yet. I'm still maintaining that the one in the "Appearances" section gives us a better idea of who he is. Also, you say that it's not that great, but I personally think the same thing about the current main pic.
 * The only problem with the image in the Apperance section is that it's of shitty quality. Instead of complaining on your fat ass, perhaps you should fix that. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 19:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't know how. And even if I did, after your dickheaded attitude, I wouldn't want to. Sorry for trying to help - but you can promptly eat shit.
 * After that comment, I wouldn't want the images switched at all. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:33, 21 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Let's recap. He went after me, not the other way around. That said, our exchange has no bearing whatsoever on picking a new image. Is there anyone that would care to either let me know how to fix the "Appearances" pic from being "shitty quality" to something acceptable for the main pic or just do it themselves? Despite what Redemption may have asserted, I have no qualms about putting in effort myself, but I can't do that if I don't know how.
 * Redemption is like that to a lot of people, myself included sometimes. Besides, you should not fight fire with fire. And I was opposed to putting the "Appearances" image in the infobox from the start anyway. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 14:21, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * So let me get this straight. HE has a chip on HIS shoulder, HE's the one that acts socially inept, but I'M the one that gets reprimanded? Also, since when is someone being that way okay because that's just the way they are? If anything, he should be the one getting lectured here. As for the pic, with all due respect, who died and made you Palpatine? Is there anyway this can be put to a vote instead of someone - you OR me - deciding this unilaterally?
 * Hey, if you don't like Redemption, ignore him then. Talking negatively about him won't help you at all. And anyone can read this discussion and post their view on it. As of now, the majority is for the current main picture. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 14:52, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Reunion with Wolf
I haven't read #5 yet. Did he tell Wolf it was him or just tell him his name was Cade?
 * He just heard that his name was Cade. -- Ozzel 00:47, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * But then Cade revealed, through the use of the Force, that he was Cade Skywalker. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 15:05, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It almost looks like Wolf is waiting for a better moment to confront Cade about this, though.Tocneppil 02:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * True. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 12:18, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Preview of no6 shows that Wolf knows its Cade and they talk about his escape from the temple etc

The Great-Grandson of Skywalker...
Yeah. Lovely family tree painted in the opening paragraph.



Where's the source for all of that? The current speculation (some of which originated from Jan) is that Kol is Ben's grandon, NOT Ben's son. That would (believe it or not), make Cade the great-grandson of Ben, the great-great grandson of Luke and the triple great-grandson of Anakin.

I've changed it back to the original info until I see some citations of sources. (Ulicus 18:32, 15 November 2006 (UTC))
 * Then how about you reword it next time instead of just reverting it? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 00:37, 16 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Do we have anything else new to indicate that he is a descendent of Ben? Because otherwise it is still just speculation.  - breathesgelatin Talk 00:57, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's been confirmed. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 01:53, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Link?  - breathesgelatin Talk 06:27, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe one of the artists or writers said he was Ben's grandson in an interview, making him Luke's great-grandson.RushinSundaws 06:34, 17 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It was Jan Duursema. Here's the link, forum post. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jainasolosig.gif |25px]] 12:20, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm surprised no one bothered to check the article's history. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 12:24, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Then how about you reword it next time instead of just reverting it?- Jack Nebulax
 * Oh, I don't know, probably because the exact details of Cade's descent remain speculation at this point (Jan said the dates she put forward weren't canon - though they probably will end up being so, more or less) and the original opening paragraph was absolutely fine. You don't fix what isn't broken. Uh, unless you're Jacen Solo. Or Darth Krayt. (Ulicus 09:27, 20 November 2006 (UTC))


 * What I meant by that bit was not to remove the Ben reference. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 12:29, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Awwwww come on, just accept it. Geez.... Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jainasolosig.gif |25px]] 12:54, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Besides, it's been stated above the Ben was going to be Luke and Mara's only son. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 22:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm still a little unsure about this whole thing. Having read the post, it seems that this is more just Jan working through the general generational timeline than really "officially" confirming Cade's ancestry. But whatever; I'm willing to accept in the article for now. I just think that Del Ray could easily change this or retcon it as they continue to develop the time between LOTF and the Legacy comics. It's nice to have some sort of confirmation though.  - breathesgelatin Talk 06:52, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * As stated, Jan's comments were not meant to be canonical in anyway, merely suppositional. QuentinGeorge 07:31, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, well, I think you and I are on the same page, but I think other people are going to interpret this as hard evidence that Ben is an ancestor of Cade. I doubt that I'll get an answer, but I asked for some sort of clarification of Jan's remark here.  - breathesgelatin Talk 07:46, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The problem is, Jan is basically inventing canon by making this series. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 12:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, exactly. We'll see if we get an answer from Tasty, I guess.  - breathesgelatin Talk 19:09, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * But Jan has the freedom to make canon, to a certain degree. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 20:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Off hand posts in message boards aren't canon. Comics are. The comics say nothing about Ben being Cade's ancestor. Hence, not canon. QuentinGeorge 22:16, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * However, Jan could easily have such a post made canon. And, as of now, you have nothing to prove it isn't canon. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 23:07, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh please Jack, at least use elementary laws of logic. I can't "prove" a negative. You're the one asserting something is canon, that means you have to prove it. The canon structure of Star Wars clearly states that if it's not in an official publication, it's not canon. QuentinGeorge 23:11, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * But as creator of the series, Jan can easily make that statement canon. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 23:14, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * But until she does... .  .  .  .  23:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * ... we should keep it in the article. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 23:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That makes absolutely no sense. -- Ozzel 23:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Jack, you do realise that John Ostrander is the writer, not Jan? Jan just draws the pictures. So, unless there's some artwork of Cade writing "Ben Skywalker is my great-grandfather", she's not going to "make it canon". QuentinGeorge 23:22, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * But right now, we have Jan's word. That should be enough to keep it in for now. And we don't know for sure that John didn't also say this. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 23:23, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * But it is yet to be published. .  .  .  .  23:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Just keep it in the article, for God's sake. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 23:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Listen very closely Jack: A post in a message board that was intended to suppositional is not a canon fact in any way, shape or form. Unless you have a direct quote or statement from the comic, then it should be yanked from the article. QuentinGeorge 23:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it should not. It should at least go in the "Behind the scenes" section. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 23:28, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That doesn't follow any demonstrable test of logic. I'm not sure we're communicating well here. I'm thinking back to the time when Jarael and Camper were called Arkanians by John Jackson Miller (their creator) in his blog. Until they were called "Arkanian" in the comic text (later confirmed to be hybrids, actually), we did not put in "Arkanian", though he'd posted about it in his blog. I think the same thing is in operation here. John and Jan have specifically said they do not wish to "nail down" canonical elements to leave flexibility for Del Rey and for themselves. I think Jan's comments were much more in the mode of "well, here is how I was generally thinking about the generational relations" and much less "I confirm that John and I plan to confirm in the comics that Cade descends from Ben." I think they're leaving it up to Del Rey or other creators to determine this, for the most part. As for the "Jan creates canon" argument, this could apply to any Star Wars author, really, not just those working in new eras. Jan (or John, for that matter) doesn't "create canon" in any way different from any other Star Wars author, and we don't accept other blog/messageboard posts as canon. I can think of only a few instances where something like this is accepted (one that comes to mind is Jysella Terrik, but even the source of her name (Mike Stackpole saying Jysella Horn is named for Booster's wife) is in the BTS, not Jysella Horn's bio). Even this bothers me a bit, but needless to say the name of Booster Terrik's wife is not necessarily as crucial or central (or potentially misleading) to the GFFA as the ancestry of Cade Skywalker. I really think we should put the "presumably" back.  - breathesgelatin Talk 07:22, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * We should definitely have "and presumably a decendant of Ben Skywalker" in the first paragraph. After all, canon points toward this anyway: Luke and Mara had no other kids, and it was said that they wouldn't. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 14:19, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with breathesgelatin and QuentinGeorge on this. Yes, by using common sense we can confirm that Cade Skywalker is a descendant of Ben Skywalker; however, this isn't a matter of truth or lies.  It's a matter of whether or not speculation is encyclopedic.  And it is not.  I think the "presumably" should be put back on, but anything that is "presumable" should be removed because it is not exactly a fact, but again, speculation.  (For that matter and the same reason, I do want the whole section on Mara's parentage and the possible parallels between Jacen Solo/Anakin Skywalker removed as well...but I can image the riot coming on as a stampede if I even tried.)  I think considering blogposts/message board posts as canon only if the author or any other official person comes out and states something very bluntly, but Jan only seemed to mean as an if statement.  Also, when, how, and where (a.k.a. the source) was it confirmed that Ben would be the only kid that Luke and Mara would have?  Not to accuse you of lying (it's likely that Luke and Mara won't have any other children), but I'd just would like the source. &mdash;Mir  len  15:35, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Someone said a few sections above that it was confirmed that Ben was Luke and Mara's only child. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 20:51, 2 December 2006 (UTC)
 * This point has been brought up multiple times on a variety of talk pages. I don't at all doubt its accuracy, but I think the line has been blurred as to whether the point was "It is has said it is likely that Ben will be Luke and Mara's only child" or "It is has been officially confirmed that Luke and Mara will have no more children." I think the sense has usually been that it is the first, and not the second, that appeared. Furthermore, though I don't doubt that this came from somewhere, I have never seen an official citation (link to a post from Sue/Tasty, or something of that nature) of this point. Finally, while I accept this as true and ultimately sensible (they're 60 years old!), this does not negate the fact that Luke "got busy" with multiple women before Mara, and that there is always a possibly for retconning that one of those women was pregnant without Luke's knowledge. This goes along with Jan/John purposefully leaving gaps for Del Rey to fill in by not officially confirming one thing or the other. I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not sure how much this point proves, and that, like Mirlen, I'd like to see sourcing. It would be an interesting thing to put in several articles' BTS, if we could get a link to Sue/Tasty saying this.  - breathesgelatin Talk 01:03, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * But we should still have "presumably a descendant of Ben Skywalker" in the fire paragraph. It wouldn't hurt anything. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 01:55, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I got a response from Sue Rostoni on the Official boards. Check it out. Ben is not confirmed to be Cade's ancestor.  - breathesgelatin Talk 06:33, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Not yet, at least. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 12:10, 5 December 2006 (UTC)

Force Lightning?
Why is the life giving power referred to as "Force Lightning" when we don't know that it is that? Surely the most we can say is that it looked similar to Force lightning. (86.10.92.11 21:16, 20 December 2006 (UTC))
 * Well, I don't see anything that says it wasn't Force lightning. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 21:23, 20 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, and I don't see anything saying that Cade wasn't smoking Lambert and Butler brand deathsticks, but it would be jumping to write that in the article no? What Cade does is referred to by Luke Skywalker as a power "unlike anything he's ever seen before" (wtte), in which his entire body glows with Force energy. The fact that that energy happens to be blue doesn't make it Force lightning. He's using the Force to bring someone back from death, not just using lightning in an unconventional way - if that were the case, why would Krayt be so determined to find him? Am I just misunderstanding something? (Ulicus 00:31, 21 December 2006 (UTC))
 * Please note, I'm not saying that it can't be speculated in the article that it is some sort of unconventional form of force lightning, what I am saying is that flat out saying that it IS force lightning seems inaccurate. (Ulicus 00:33, 21 December 2006 (UTC))

Hmm, not really. I don't recall either Palpatine or Tyranus glowing when they threw out bolts of lightning... it's just blue energy surrouding Cade. Sure, say that it's a power that "looked akin to Force lightning", or "a power that shared visual similiarities with Force lightning"... but to call it Force lightning is just plain assumption IMO.(Ulicus 19:52, 22 February 2007 (UTC))
 * But what if Force lightning had two uses? That's not impossible. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 00:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't forget, even here electricity is used to revive does that are officially "dead". [[Image:DarthAbeonisSig2.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 19:22, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Good point. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.png|20px]] 20:26, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late response. I reiterate: I'm not saying that CAN'T BE Force lightning, I'm saying that we don't KNOW it's force lightning. Much as Ben Skywalker COULD be Darth Krayt - but you don't see us jumping the gun on that do you? Cade is apparantly using the Force to take other people's deaths/near deaths "into himself"... doesn't sound like FL to me. I don't care if we refer to it as being "similar in appearance to Force lightning", but to CALL it force lightning seems ridiculous ATM.(Ulicus 01:31, 15 February 2007 (UTC))
 * Technically, the visible part of this Force power is Force lightning, though. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 01:36, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Still, all evidence points toward it being Force lightning. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:36, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Think of it as Star Wars meets Frankenstein. Jump-starting a car even. Just remember, not even Force lightning perfectly matches what lightning truly is. We can call it "Lightning 2.0". Karohalva 21:53, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you're right. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:03, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * What do you mean "Still, all evidence points toward it being Force lightning"? First of all, no it dosen't. You think if it was, they'd flat out say it. It's obvious that Wolf's comments combined by the fact that cade glows also, almost definently proves it is some other power. Xepeyon 16:39, 4 March 2007 (UTC)
 * How about just changing it from "he used Force lightning to successfully revive his master" to "he used a power similar to Force lightning to revive his master"? From the story, I think its clear he must be doing something different to Palpatine, Dooku, Lumiya, etc, else why would Krayt be in such a desperate search to find him? If all he were doing was regular Force lightning- and nothing else- then there would be nothing unique about it. Luke certainly wouldn't be saying it was like nothing he had ever seen before- as Luke's more than familiar with Force lightning- see ROTJ where he got blasted with the stuff. It's possible he's using Force lightning in combination with another power, but I think to say it was the Force lightning itself that revived his master (which is how the article currently reads) is potentially misleading, else every Sith we've ever seen would have been able to do this, Darth Krayt himself included, so no need for him to need to hunt Cade down.--Xanos 01:14, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Those are the best points I've heard in this discussion. I'd be valueless if it was just lightning, and Krayt wouldn't bother looking for him. Xepeyon 19:33, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Or it was Force lightning with a secret healing power that Cade unlocked... &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:13, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

K'kruhk
How is he still alive to train Cade. He would have to be about 150-200 years old. -User:Pal101
 * There is nothing to say that Whiphids couldn't live to be that age. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 17:11, 7 June 2007 (UTC)

True but as cool as he is, Why can't they just let him die for once. User:Pal101
 * K'Kruhk says it best himself, "I've died any number of times in my life, or so I've heard." --  Riffsyphon  1024 04:23, 8 June 2007 (UTC)
 * When he's ready to die, he will. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 13:45, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Eye color: dark side
Can we have the picture from Legacy #7 on Cade's article that shows Cade's dark side eyes? And his eyes look more of an orange and red like Krayt's, not just red.--Jedi Kasra 04:20, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought that there was a picture of that already uploaded, but I can't find it now. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 12:28, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Interesting that the reference to Wolf's vision got edited away. It's a fairly significant moment, I think. I'm not sure why Cade's face moving out of shadow was cut; but deleting a red gleam from his eyes-- that signified a turn to the Dark Side in all known appearances (since Ep III), kind of makes it read weird. As such... so? Wolf has a vision of gleaming eyes. Eyes could gleam from tears, bright lights, allergies, whatever. I suggest someone propose an alternate reading if there's a problem with the original(s)... --Jeffbacca 14:39, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Nevermind--reverted. I wanted to understand the reasoning behind the edit & to avoid a revert war, and Cade can be... contentious (albeit not so much as certain subjects).--Jeffbacca 15:14, 14 July 2007 (UTC)
 * There's also two frames in Star Wars Legacy 14: Claws of the Dragon, Part 1 where Cade has red eyes. --  Riffsyphon  1024 00:48, 16 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Question: In Legacy 7, Cade Skywalker is seen looking at a sleeping Sia Fel who is both: 1. In the nude. 2. Sleeping next to what appears to be a body mark. Is this an implication by the writers that they slept together? Or was the "body mark" not one at all, but simly the shifting of the bed due to her sleeping in it? Is there any information in the series thus far to indicate they had a sexual encounter? 24.239.162.211Anonymous.
 * On page 19 of it was intended that Deliah Blue and Cade spend the night together. However, a coloring mistake in the issue showed Marasiah in place of Deliah. A corrected version of the page was published in Legacy 9, and it was also corrected in the Broken trade paperback. Oyam5000 14:18, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks much for the clarification. I found it odd that it wasn't mentioned here on Wookipedia. :) Perhaps we should add that to the article instead? 24.239.162.211 14:39, 2 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It's mentioned at Star Wars Legacy 7: Broken, Part 6 in the Behind the scenes section Oyam5000 06:25, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

New Sith Order?
Until we get a comic that confirms this, can we remove this from his list of affiliations?--Jedi Kasra 13:12, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * We already have a comic&mdash;or rather, a preview of a comic&mdash;that confirms this. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 15:39, 4 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Is it the preview for Star Wars Legacy 17: Claws of the Dragon, Part 4?
 * Yes. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 13:12, 9 August 2007 (UTC)