Talk:V-150 Planet Defender/Legends

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Listen, whenever Template:Title is used, I can't see it. Sikon had a similar problem with Interdictor-class Cruiser. Ignoring the fact that some people cannot see this template isn't improving the article one bit. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 15:47, 5 April 2006 (PDT)
 * It worked OK for me. What browser are you using?  What browser was Sikon using?  Maybe it works on Firefox and Lynx (?!), but not on your system? &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 22:54, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm using Microsoft Internet Explorer. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:57, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * WhiteBoy and I have both tested it on Internet Explorer and it can work. If you had just followed the helpful instructions I left rather than taking them as an order then you would be able to see that. Additionally, Sikon didn't have any trouble as we were talking about it in the Wookieepedia chat room when he made the change. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 23:00, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Works fine in Safari 2.0.3. And the template isn't supposed to be seen, just its effect on the article title (I assume that's what you meant, correct?). Did you try it in Firefox or anything else Jack? RMF 23:04, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I feel like such an idiot. I thought that it was supposed to appear like how the older one did. I didn't even look at the title. My apologies. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:22, 5 April 2006 (PDT)

Um, someone may want to add Star Wars Jedi Academy to the list of sources. In that game, you do go to Hoth, and while there, you can actually fire the Ion cannon. I guess that is technically not canon though since the cannon was said to be destroyed.
 * You can add it in to the "Appearances" section, if you want. I could add a tag explaining that it's a non-canon appearance of the ion cannon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 18:43, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

Didn't Ion Cannons fire blue/azure bolts?
Many sources state this, esp. the Rogue Squadron series. Yet, there's also a number of contradictions as to the colors of the bolts. In various media, I've seen red, golden, or blue.

1) sign your comments. 2) in most books they are blue. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 23:09, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, perhaps there are different types of matter used for ion cannons. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:04, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Ion cannon blown up?
''Its crew was made up entirely of Alliance troops from Alderaan. They were were among the last to evacuate from Hoth, blowing up the cannon as they left to mask the sensor reading of their escape.''

I know this is what makes the appearance of the cannon in Jedi Academy non-canonical, but what is the source for this? --Bender235 01:03, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I remember reading this. I want to say The New Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology, but I'm not positive. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:07, 8 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Since the cannon was working, or replaced by 10 ABY when Jaden Korr visited the planet, I added that in but it has been deleted. Any particular reason why? --Darth Windu 03:34, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You need to read, Darth Windu. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 14:17, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow, what an informative, intelligent comment. How about explaining why this comment was removed, particularly considering the source it comes from is canon. --Darth Windu 02:45, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * From everything I heard, the cannon being operated or replaced after its destruction is non-canon. It's gameplay. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 12:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Fisrt off I appologise for the attitude, it was uncalled for. Now, what sources say its appearance in JA is non-canon? I'm happy to accept it as such if we can show that is what is intended, but otherwise video games are canon. Taking into account the cannon's destruction, that is why I added that the cannon 'had either been repaired or replaced'. --Darth Windu 04:06, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Only story lines in games are canon. So far, the ion cannon in the game is non-canon because it's gameplay. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 12:10, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Hang on. So even though the cannon exists within the game, and there is nothing to say it hadn't been repaired or replaced, it official doesn't exist? That makes sense? --Darth Windu 04:45, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The great question is: is the cannon canon? :) --  Riffsyphon  1024 04:48, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The destruction of the ion cannon is mentioned in ITW:OT and SW:CL. The fire control team for the ion cannon sets it to self-destruct, then leave for one of the last transports. The one in JA could just be something set up by the Empire later on. VT-16 10:28, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Still, I have my doubts. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 15:17, 10 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ha ha, nice one riff. VT - thats what I'm saying. All I was mentioning is that the cannon itself appears in-game, and as far as I know there is no source that directly contradicts it being there. Okay, the first one was destroyed, but until a source states it was never repaired or replaced, the appearance in 'Jedi Academy' should be added. --Darth Windu 04:49, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Provide a source proving the ion cannon's appearance wasn't just due to gameplay first. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 14:44, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Jack, stop being so harsh. The presence of the ion cannon doesn't immediately contradict the one being blown up 9 years before. VT-16 15:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm aware of that, VT. But recently, I've been suspicious of Windu. After all, I'm only asking him to provide a simple source. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 15:24, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Unless the game states that it is the actual ion cannon from the Battle of Hoth, we don't need any more. VT-16 16:11, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That's not a source, now is it? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:19, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * If the v-150 from the films was blown up, then it can't be that cannon. If it appears in a later source, it means either the cannon was rebuilt, there was more than one (as stated on this page previously, though I've yet to confirm it myself) or someone else placed/built a new one there. Jedi Academy is canon, so its appearance in the game is canon also. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 22:27, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Let's see if we can get a source to back up your claim first. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:29, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Jack, Jedi Academy is the source. It's canon.  Here, look at Leland's quote if you don't believe that: ""...continuity "C" canon which is pretty much everything else. " By everything else I mean EVERYthing else. Novels, comics, junior novels, videogames..." - Lord Hydronium 22:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * So far, I haven't seen anything to say it's not gameplay. And, as we know, gameplay goes against canon. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:41, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * If it's in a canon source, the burden is on you to prove otherwise. Should we put a little  tag on the tauntaun page or the wampa page since you can't prove they aren't just gameplay elements?  Heck, what's to say he went into Echo Base at all?  Maybe the whole game is just one long game mechanic!  Gameplay is things like the Force bar in the corner, or hitpoints, not elements that clearly appear in the universe. - Lord Hydronium 22:49, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Is there any unrealistic interaction between the player and the cannon, does it figure into the game in any way? And is it impossible for this Imperial faction to bring such an artillery piece to Hoth in the first place? VT-16 22:52, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well thats basically my argument. Okay, its not what you'd expect from the Imperials, but at the same time we have a source saying it's there with nothing saying it wasn't. Jack, there is also very little need to be suspicious of me. In terms of the wookipedia articles, like you I only desire to make them more accurate and clear, we just have very different views about what that entails. --Darth Windu 04:12, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm suspicious because you a) don't bother to discuss big changes on the talk page first and b) constantly break the 3-Revert-Rule and still don't discuss your changes. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 12:17, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You've just described yourself, Jack. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 23:40, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * At least I'm trying to change, Jaymach. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 00:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I do try to discuss my changes in talk. The problem with that is that in some articles no-one cares, and in others you just go and revert anyway, so why bother? --Darth Windu 02:12, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

How many Ion Cannons?
Article says one, but I recall from Rogue Leader that there were at least two of them. Lalala la 02:56, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You mean on Hoth? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:34, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Battlefront & Battlefront II?
Where it says Battlefront and Battlefront II in the appearances section, isn't it only in the background of the Hoth battlefield?
 * Yeah. That's still an appearance. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 12:08, 8 February 2007 (UTC)