Talk:Lando Calrissian/Archive1

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Needs More
This if freakin sad people. Lando's got like 3 books just about him and how cool he is, and he's got like nothing. People, c'mon. --Death Regis 20:07, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I haven't done anything because I haven't read his books. If you have, then by all means update the article. I probably will be updating it with info from the Han Solo Trilogy at some point in the (hopefully near) future. -- Aidje 20:25, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not familiar with those sources myself, but fair enough, we can keep the We're Doomed tag until this information is added. --GenkiNeko 09:29, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * the new republic info is within a paragraph. 1 paragraph :O! Jedi Dude 11:17, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Temp page
A helpful anon started a temp page to take care of our copyvio problem. I think it's good enough for the main page, if we add some sort of "needs expansion" tag. &mdash; Silly Dan 15:11, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Second that. --SparqMan 15:33, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Moving it over. &mdash; Silly Dan  15:32, 30 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Temp page history

 * (cur) (last) 18:09, 25 Jul 2005 LtNOWIS (?Appearances - added Han Solo trilogy, HoT duology)
 * (cur) (last) 11:11, 24 Jul 2005 Silly Dan m (bit of cleanup)
 * (cur) (last) 10:55, 24 Jul 2005 Silly Dan (?Appearances - commented-out cats, databank, bts)
 * (cur) (last) 21:02, 21 Jul 2005 Silly Dan m (rm oou)
 * (cur) (last) 08:28, 21 Jul 2005 219.93.174.105

Improvement Drive Plans

 * Oy, does Lando's page need some work! His bio needs, I think, to be better divided up into the various time periods - early life, GCW, NR era, etc.  Further thoughts? --AngelQueen

Nice Work

 * Damn. Whoever's been working on this has really done well. QuentinGeorge 10:24, 18 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. :-) I'd hoped to get the edits done before the Improvement Drive vote was finalized, but it wasn't meant to be; at least I'm getting to it now. jSarek 00:10, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Pictures
What's with all of the rounded-corner screenshots? Why are the corners not squared? Just curious. – Aidje talk 16:13, 19 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the late answer, they're are official screenshots that have come from the film reels and been digitally modified. When filming in the ancient times (befire digital cameras) the shots had rounded edges. Jasca Ducato 17:13, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Corellian?
Why is Lando listed in the category of Corellians? I've never heard anything about him being from Corellia. -- SFH 17:06, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * The Star Wars Sourcebook had a character comment that he thought Lando had a hint of a Corellian accent. Other than that, I don't think anything has been established.  jSarek 01:28, 30 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * But it is a persistent (seemingly unkillable) rumor/fanon interpretation, presumably due to his similarity to the Corellian personality stereotype. But until now I wasn't sure whether there was even the tiniest hint of officialness to it, so thanks for that SWSB reference jSarek. At least that's something official, however vague and tenuous. Personally I'd be happy enough if we never find out his homeworld. I bet that's the way the character would prefer to keep it.--Valin Kenobi 07:04, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I too had thoughts that Lando might be Corellian, mostly because of his mannerisms and because of the clothing he wears at the end of The Empire Strikes Back. Then again, it's possible that he was borrowing some of Han's clothes, and if Lando does have traces of a Corellian accent, he may have picked it up during his years spent in the Corellian sector on Nar Shaddaa.
 * Corellia is also one of the few systems in the Star Wars galaxy that seem to have black people ;) Yrfeloran 04:27, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Ahem. Naboo, Haruun Kal, Tatooine... QuentinGeorge 04:35, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Concede Naboo, but note Diath's descendants look at most tan. And I seriously doubt Lando is Korun (or Kiffar). It's still few systems ;p Yrfeloran 05:02, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, when plans were still being made for The Phantom Menace, I had heard a rumor that Samuel L. Jackson's character (before we were told he was Mace Windu, let alone a Jedi) may be a possible relative of Lando Calrissian. After seeing The Phantom Menace, I knew that these rumors were just that - rumors.  If Lando was Korunnai, he's have to be Force-sensitive - of course, there's plenty of his enemies who insist that he is.  Anyway, had anyone else heard the same rumor I heard?
 * The new Underworld article in Star Wars Insider 89 finally confirms Lando's homeworld as Socorro - Kwenn 16:15, 29 July 2006 (UTC)

Maneuver at Taanab
Someone needs to add something about Lando's "little manuver" at the Battle of Tanab --Edited by Psycho Xizor
 * There already IS something about his little maneuver at Taanab - Calrissian hid in the ice rings of Taanab's moon. When the pirates approached their marks, he dumped his cargo of Conner nets into the midst of their fleet, temporarily disabling their ships. While they attempted to extricate themselves from the nets, he tractored ice chunks from the rings into their cockpits. He then led Taanab's orbital defense fleet in a mopping up operation, in which Calrissian was responsible for single-handedly destroying nineteen of the remaining vessels and crippling the pirate's two supporting corvettes; the ships were captured with all hands, thanks to Calrissian using yet more Conner nets to secure the escape pods. jSarek 05:19, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Order
There are images from Lando's later years in the early section. Also, the later years (GCW and NR era) are very low on information. --147.9.205.55 02:51, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Food for thought on Lando Calrissian's possible origins
Hey, fellow Star Warriors. (I know that sounds cheesy, but I took it from the original Marvel Comics and some of the earliest Dark Horse Comics.) I'm glad I found a site where I can finally post some of my thoughts on some of the "Star Wars" universe's more mysterious characters. This particular idea has been floating around in my head since I completed The Cestus Deception a year or so ago.

As I'm sure most of us know, Lando Calrissian's origins are steeped in mystery, which is the way he likes it. It's possible that he's Corellian, from Bespin, or from some other planet we've either heard of or never heard of. The details of his youth are very spotty, and only a few fragments of it are known due to psychological torments he endured under Rokur Gepta in the Oseon system.

However, in the original drafts of The Empire Strikes Back, Lando was a survivor of the Clone Wars, and his entire family perpetuated through cloning. This version, of course, was not integrated into the film, but it's an interesting thought.

So this all got me thinking. What if Lando is the son of Sheeka Tull and Jangotat? We were never given a last name for Sheeka's first husband Yander (if he even has a last name), so who is to say that it isn't Calrissian? Or, who is to say that Sheeka didn't marry again to a man with the last name Calrissian? Or who is to say that he didn't just make up that name anyway to add to his flair of mystery?

Of course, there's possible flaws with this theory, the foremost being Lando's age. He has been said to be two years older than Han Solo, who is a young boy during the Clone Wars. However, if you take into consideration the fact that Jangotat, as a clone trooper, had accelerated growth, then it would be natural to assume that Lando, if he was his son, inherited that from him.

Another possible flaw with this theory is that Lando is likely to have an ancestor, Galduran Calrissian. Even so, this doesn't disprove that he is related or that he just took the name Calrissian as his own.

Anyway, as I said, it's food for thought. We'll probably never find out where Lando came from, any more than we'll probably never find out where Yoda came from. But sometimes it's fun to speculate. Any thoughts?


 * Unless Sheeka was 'negro' (sorry about the bluntness) it's probably not possible. Jango was maori, not negro. --  Doo Doo  talk [[Image:Desilijic Clan (Jabba’s Tattoo) .jpg|22px]] 08:32, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well yeah - I had always though Sheeka Tull was black based on her description in the book.
 * Well, just thought I'd add this in before someone else does, but it's official - Lando Calrissian was born on Socorro. Anyway, I'm just glad we have more of an idea of his origins.
 * Some anon(s) keep removing Socorro as his home world. -Fnlayson 15:19, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Does that come from an essential guide or something? -Fnlayson 15:25, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Underworld: A Galaxy of Scum and Villainy states that he is Socorran. Whether this means he was actually born on Socorro, or was merely of Socorran lineage, is debatable. jSarek 07:05, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! That was mentioned in the Problem section lower down and I missed it. :(  -Fnlayson 21:00, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * By the way, if Lando is of Soccoran lineage as that issue of "Star Wars Insider" says, I think it's feasible to assume that Galduran Calrissian was probably Corellian, since it was Corellians who settled on Socorro.

Solid Article

 * Looks like this article has really come together over the past several months. Some more tweaks wouldn't hurt.  Finlayson 04:21, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Intro

 * I would describe Lando as "a professional gambler, entrepreneur and long-time associate of Han Solo." I don't think he did enough smuggling to include that.  What do you think?  -Finlayson 00:08, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * He did tons of smuggling, check out his trilogy or the second Han trilogy. Thanos6 16:38, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I've read the Han Solo trilogy. I didn't say he didn't smuggle.  Just think he did more entrepreneuring.  Well nevermind.. -Finlayson 19:13, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Finished the Lando advenure trilogy. He does some shipping and faced with some high tarrifs, but no  real smuggling. Edit: He was smuggling at the time of the Black Fleet crisis. -Finlayson 17:04, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

Mistake in Heir to the Empire
This is really weird, they made it seem like Lando died.... This happened right after he was shot. ''Lando Calrussuab, the professinal gambler, had gambled one last time. And he'd lost. And the debt from that gamble-the last in a long line of such debts-had come true.'' Dosnt that sound like they killed him! Its weird! I havent finished the book, but Ill see if Lando is in the rest of the story...
 * Those are just Lando's OWN PERSONAL THOUGHTS on being shot. Thanos6 02:34, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Problem
Someone has added that Lando's homeworld is Socorro. Is this fanon or was it revealed somewere 67.49.49.63 22:48, 31 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It's revealed in the article Underworld: A Galaxy of Scum and Villainy, which has only just come out. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 22:50, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

Losing the Falcon to Solo
Does anyone know exactly where the Cloud City Sabacc Tournament fits into this article? --Azizlight 08:10, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The 2nd paragraph under Failure and Success. Adding that link there would be good. -Finlayson 16:05, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Also brielfy mentioned in the middle of Adventures in the Centrality. -Finlayson 16:12, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

Landos Return
Anybody know if Lando will come back in the Legacy of the Force series or will his last appearance be The Unifying Force? He was only mentioned in the last three novels they have made, Betrayal, and the Dark Nest Trilogy. Id hate to see him go. Roron Corobb 14:26, 26 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I'd like to see more of him too; I feel he's one of the most under-used characters in the EU. The current series is going to last 9 books, so my guess is that there'll be a reason for him to show up before the end of it. What with such characters as Admiral Ackbar and Mon Mothma dying of old age and the rather large time gaps between series (5 years between the Dark Nest Trilogy and Legacy of the Force), who knows how much longer he'll last?--HanShotFirst 00:05, 8 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes, they need to bring back Lando and his wife, Tendra.   I don't suppose there's any chance of him having kids now, though - he must be in his sixties in the Legacy of the Force era.  But I would have liked to have seen Lando pass on his genes as did the Skywalkers and Solos.
 * Actually Lando is in his early 70s in the Legacy of the Force era.

Lando's successor as governor of Cloud City
The article says it's been Zorba Desilijic Tiure who succeded Lando as Baron Administrator, but Marvel Star Wars 56 & 57 say it's been Hugo Treece. Is this some discrepancy? --Bender235 13:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Not at all. Lando was technically still Baron Administrator in exile at that point, while Treece was the Imperial governor sent to run things in his stead.  After Endor, the Ssi-Ruuk, the Nagai, and the Tof, Lando finally went back to ruling from Bespin--at which point, Zorba took over. Thanos6 20:33, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

New Intro Quote
Going through the New Essential Guide to Characters, I found a quote about Lando that I think is more appropriate for the intro than the current one.

"No human in the galaxy has a right to be that lucky."

- Barpotomous Drebble

Opinions? TIEPilot051999 18:54, 18 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Not as descriptive of Lando as a whole as the current one. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 20:55, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, OK. I still want to find somewhere in here to include it. Any ideas? TIEPilot051999 05:43, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It is a good quote- I put it on the Failure and Success segment- how about that? Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 05:53, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Done-a-rooni!TIEPilot051999 17:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * What's the source for that quote? --Imp 17:24, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The namesake of our project- The New Essential Guide to Characters. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 20:13, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, alright. I think it's time I actually bought that one. :P --Imp 20:29, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * But public libraries are an amazing resource too, if applicable. =) Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 20:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Sadly, Norwegian libraries restrict themselves to mainstream literature. =/ --Imp 22:51, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Pity. Definitely SW books can be found in Australian, American, British, and maybe Deutsch libraries. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 23:15, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Level of detail
Should we go for a Zayne Carrick-ish article, describing all of Lando's adventures in great detail, or should we lessen the level of detail in the article? --Imp 15:00, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I say we condense it a bit. I mean, the Marvel info we've both added is great, but a full 8 sentence paragraph for a 75 page comic is a little . . . overdone. The problem is, there has to be enough background info for it to make sense. We can still shorten our length some. The level of detail we have for most of the Bantam books is good, if you ask me. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 15:44, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * If the detail makes the article unreadable, then there's too much of it. jSarek 05:47, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Make that most Bantam books. The Black Fleet Crisis section could stand a little expanding.  -Fnlayson 05:52, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I rewrote some of the Marvel sections. Is that better, or should I make it even less detailed? --Imp 11:51, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It looks good Imp. I'll help more on it whenever I can- it's been really busy but I feel guilty. :-D Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 23:30, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't, please. I've been even busier! :P I'm done rewriting all of the Marvel info currently in the article, by the way. I'll be adding a lot this weekend. --Imp 23:33, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Redlinks
The article has several redlinks. I've done a few searches and can't find related articles for them. There's a couple in this sentence: Unfortunately, his turn of good fortune was once again countered with bad luck as his investment in a berubium mine in the Borgo asteroid belt turned out to be worthless. Does anybody know if the Borgo asteroid belt is related to Borgo Prime spaceport? -Fnlayson 18:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

ESB
The ESB section could use a rewrite. Anyone who has actually seen the movie willing to take a shot at it? --Imp 23:29, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Will do it tomorrow. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 05:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Nice work. Could you look over the whole saving Han Solo bit from ROTJ as well? --Imp 22:21, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 22:30, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 04:12, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Administrator of Hologram Fun World
I remember reading about Lando becoming the administrator of Hologram Fun World for a short time after the Battle of Yavin. He apparently lost Cloud City. I believe he also became involved in Project Starscream around that time. Does anyone have more info about this.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron 05:45, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Hologram Fun World was that series of young kids books with the Lost City of the Jedi, and Triclops. I don't have the books with me, but I remember Zorba the hutt cheated and used marked cards to beat him in a game of sabaac to win it from him. Serendipitousus 05:47, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Also in the Galaxy of Fear series, which, for the first six books, revolved around Project Starscream. I think Lando appeared in the fourth. I own these, but I left them at home when I moved out. I could take a look during vacation.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Sith_Emblem.svg|30px]] 05:53, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You are correct, and more than welcome to add the info. I was planning to add the info from scans I've gotten from Jaymach, but I won't get to it until this weekend most likely, so feel free to add it. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 06:19, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Recent Edits

 * Most of the article is sourced- I went ahead and sourced some more, added some tags, and placed a few expansion tags on it. Feel free to check my formatting- especially on the Battle of Taanab citation and factually check the NEC citation for the berubium mine part. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:34, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed the Tanaab citation, and I can confirm that the berubium mine info is in the NEC, pg. 102. jSarek 21:59, 3 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Sourced the Palps return section. -Fnlayson 06:27, 4 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Much thanks to both of you! Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:32, 4 July 2007 (UTC)

FA status
I am aiming for this article to be an FA, but the Black Fleet Crisis and Almanian crisis sections need to be greatly expanded (I can't do it because I never read the books). Someone please expand these and other sections that need attention. Thasnks. Clark Kent300 02:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It's on my list of things to do. There is a forum at WP:NEGTC that might tell you what you need to do- a lot of it is Marvel related. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:36, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Quotes
Shouldn't there be a quote page?Jedi Knight Zinquinthia25 01:25, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The link was down at the bottom of the page. See Quote:Lando Calrissian. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 05:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC)