Talk:Obi-Wan Kenobi/Legends

Where does this planets of Obi-Wan's youth come from? Hopefully not Supershadow... QuentinGeorge 06:23, 18 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Upon further inspection, it did come from SS. Removed. Imperialles 21:20, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

What's the proof that Obi-Wan was born 57 BBY? I remember that the timeline of Behind the Magic put Obi-Wan's birth to 60 BBY. - TopAce
 * But that was a program made before the prequel trilogy, and more recent figures are supposely more accurate. -- Riffsyphon1024 20:40, 17 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Obi-Wan is 25 in TPM. (as the official databank states). Alec Guinness was 62 during the filming of ANH, so the figure isn't that far off. (and as a sidenote, McGregor was 26 when they filmed TPM it's AOTC and ROTS which have the greatest actor-character age discrepancy). QuentinGeorge 04:35, 20 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Improvement Drive
Suggested Additions
 * Events from the Jedi Apprentice series and Qui-Gon Jinn/Obi-Wan comics. (pre 32 BBY)
 * Events from Jedi Quest, Rogue Planet and Approaching Storm (32 BBY - 22 BBY)
 * Exploits from Clone Wars comics and Cestus Deception and Labyrinth of Evil novel. (22-19 BBY)
 * Anything from the Last of the Jedi series.

If you have any of these sources, feel free to add stuff.

QuentinGeorge 06:58, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)

I'm not sure in what piece of "Young Obi-Wan literature" it's featured, but isn't Obi-Wan's relationship with Siri Tachi worthy of more than a simple mentioning of her name in his page?
 * Definately. It's mentioned in the Legacy of the Jedi/Secrets of the Jedi duology. 59.167.63.130 21:05, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Also added to the official Visual Guide to Episode 3. Plus, considering that was his "true love" (only love), and the events important to his character and how he handled things (read Secrets and you'll understand) it's very important--Siri Tachi 21:17, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

Accent
Where is it mentioned he spoke with a coruscanti accent? - TopAce 23:23 (GMT +1), 23rd August
 * ROTS novel. QuentinGeorge 21:32, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Basically, anyone who speaks with a "British" accent (ie Palpatine, Ki-Adi-Mundi, etc) is considered in the GFFA to have a Coruscanti accent. QuentinGeorge 21:32, 23 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * The novel mentions his 'clipped Coruscanti accent' a couple of times, and I think other sources have mentioned it too - Kwenn
 * Well Ewan is scottish -Dark Lord Revan
 * Irrelevant, since we're talking about the character, not the actor. QuentinGeorge 04:39, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * In the movie, McGregor and McDiarmid both speak with the same accents, Scots speaking pure English. Is that Coruscanti? --McEwok 16:57, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Hehe -User:Dark Lord Revan

Born on Tatooine

 * The Star Wars Timeline Gold, which cites the Star Wars Roleplaying Game Core Rulebook, claims Obi-Wan was born on Tatooine, though this article says he was born on a planet of "plains and grasslands." I was just getting ready to add Tatooine to the template when I noticed it. So is there an explanation for this or is it just a simple contradiction among sources? MarcK 05:13, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * The Tatooine is from outdated pre-TPM EU Material. The "grassy plains" is the only description of his homeworld. You might retcon the Tatooine "homeworld" reference as being his post-ROTS "adopted" home. QuentinGeorge 05:49, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * The planet of "plains and grasslands" is from his memories in the Jedi Apprentice series. QuentinGeorge 10:05, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I thought Obi-Wan was born on Coruscant. I the Revenge of the Sith book, it says he talked with a Coruscanti accent.
 * Accents can be learnt or get used to, you know. TopAce
 * A long time ago before KOTOR Tatooine WAS a planet of plains and grasslands, then the Rakata Destroyed it
 * Irrelevant, since when Obi-Wan was born, Tatooine had been a desert world for thousands of years. QuentinGeorge 04:38, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)


 * t says that in this article, that obi-wan was born on a planet of plains and grasslands, and it says that he was born on tatooine, maybe it was a typo, maybe it was dantooine and the writer mis took it for tatooine since it is better known, and dantooine is a planet of grasslands and plains,think about it. a source


 * I just had a thought Obi-wan spoke with a british accent (Coruscanti?) but every so often you could hear the scottish accent (obviously because Ewan is scottish) come through so maybe Obi=wans homeplanet is probably the same as wherever Darth Sion is from?


 * maybe he was born on dantooine and was brought to coruscant at a very early age,often if a child is removed from a place with people with different accents from there birth place they adapt it insead of the usual accent they would have had.

Kenobi's Blade

 * In the YJA book with the above name, didn't Anakin Solo recover Obi-Wan's lightsaber? Can anyone confirm? QuentinGeorge 07:05, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)

You mean his saber survived in ANH? I thought it was destroyed along with the first Death Star.


 * Yep. Vader took it from the robes and kept it close by as a memento (Guess Grievous wasn't the one only one who did that). -- SFH 01:29, 19 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Legacy ......

Kenobi's lightsaber lay in Lord Vader's quarters during the Battle of Yavin. This fragment of the Death Star was eventually acquired by Ugors and transported to the Paradise Sector. Shortly after the bombardment of Dankayo, the Rebel crew of the Bonderium visited the wreckage and retrieved Kenobi's relic.

Apparently, the weapon was later recovered by the Empire, because a second group discovered the blade in Darth Vader's castle on Vjun.

In 22 ABY, Uldir, a classmate of Anakin Solo, stole the lightsaber in a belief that it would make him a great Jedi. Solo, along with his associates Tahiri, R2-D2, Tionne and the Jedi Master Ikrit eventually recovered the weapon and returned it to the Jedi Praxeum. -Dark Lord Revan


 * Regarding the number of different blades Kenobii used in the films: There's the one he had in The Phantom Menace, which he lost during his duel with Darth Maul, whom he went on defeat with Qui-Gon Jinn's blade.  Did he continue to wield Qui-Gon's blade through Attack of the Clones, or did he build himself a new one?  Whatever the case, I imagine that blade was taken from him when he was captured on Geonosis toward the end of the film.  Was it ever recovered?  We see him thrown what I imagine is a spare blade by another Jedi in Mace Windu's rescue force.  He must have used this spare blade in his fight with Dooku.  Whatever became of this blade?  I imagine the blade we see him using in Revenge of the Sith must be a new one he built for himself (unless it was either the blade lost to the Geonosians and recovered later, or the spare he was issued during the Battle of Geonosis).  Finally, the blade he has in A New Hope -- is that a modified or repaired version of the Episoder III blade or a entirely new but similar one?

Possibilities:


 * Blade A - Lost in duel with Darth Maul.
 * Blade B - Taken by Geonosians before the Battle of Geonosis.
 * Blade C - Spare given to Kenobi during Battle of Geonosis (his spare or generic?).
 * Blade D - New? Recovered Blade B?  Blade C still in use?
 * Blade E - New? Or re-tooled version of Blade D (which might be either Blade B or C)?

He's had at least 4 sabers in the Saga: 1 lost on Naboo, 1 taken on Geonosis (spare doesn't count; it wasn't actually his); 1 used during the Clone Wars up until his placement on the Council; 1 built after joining the Council, which presumably is the one used up until his death - Kwenn 17:36, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)

I will clarify;


 * Blade A= Original Padawan saber, as seen on cover on Jedi Apprentice: The Rising Force, how blade is abandoned is unknown
 * Blade B= Second padawan blade which is knocked down the pit in theed while fighting Maul however it is recovered and is not destroyed until Kenobi is captured on Genosis
 * Blade C= Spare given to him on Genosis, not his, just a spare saber.
 * Blade D= One Kenobi builds after the battle of Genosis (seen in ROTS) keeps with him for the rest of his life up until his death, although modifications are made- Black Hope 21:42, 2 April 2006

Whilst on this subject...
Whilst on the subject of Kenobi's Blade, can anyone please explain what happens to Kenobi's blade in Star Wars: A New Hope. In chapter 38, time 1:27:46 Kenobi battles Vader onboard the Death Star. If at the exact above time you look at Kenobi's lightsaber it 'fizzles' out. Is this just part of the film where special effects couldn't perfect the glow of the lightsaber or has Kenobi's lightsaber got a glitch. It looks like the training sticks used when filming the duel but It has been bothering me for ages. Anyone got any ideas? - SecondSight 13:17, 29 August 2006


 * Can somebody please answer this? Its really bothering me. SecondSight 13:40, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Idea changes
Two quick ideas: (1) the header quotation doesn't get across the spirit of Obi-Wan and (2) it would be great to see a Vader vs. Obi-Wan image from ANH towards the end. --SparqMan 18:17, 20 Sep 2005 (EDT)
 * Done the image. Any idea for a better quote? QuentinGeorge 06:07, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I see the quote's been changed since then, but here's an alternative: "I speak of Obi-Wan Kenobi, the last and greatest of the Jedi Knights" - Darth Vader (Star Wars Sourcebook, 2nd. ed., p. 137; it's from Vader's report to Palpatine on Kenobi's death)... --McEwok 16:57, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I like that quote. Do we want to change it? Is anyone against changing it? Here, let's vote. All in favor? Lord vader1414 22:49, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I haven't read that quote, but I like it, maybe it could be used with the Jedi Purge, as Obi-Wan was one of the few to survive it? But it would also fit nicely with Obi-Wan's page. --Quidon88 16:14, 11 June 2006 (UTC)

Photo's
Can we get a picture of Ewan McGregor next to the picture of Sir Alec Guinness for the main photo, since they both played him in the same number of movies? --sithlord123 11:20, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC) Good? Bad? Redemption 20:44, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * There's plenty of Ewan photos throughout the article. QuentinGeorge 11:21, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * [[Image:Obiwanoldguy.jpg]][[Image:Obiwankenobi34534.jpg]]

First one - TopAce 10:36, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Alec Guinness hated being Obi-Wan Kenobi
It is wildly known Alec Guiness loathed being Obi-Wan Kenobi and hated Star Wars. For Behind the Scenes, should this be included, or no? -- AronoBashkar 24:25, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Really? If you can get a source for that, it should definately be in there. -- SFH 05:28, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I do recall this, but it belongs in the actor article, not here. - QuentinGeorge 05:29, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Must have proof, then we will discuss this. -- Riffsyphon1024 06:49, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * "His role as Obi-Wan Kenobi in the immensely successful original Star Wars trilogy brought him worldwide recognition to a new generation. However, he was never happy with being identified with the part. He would throw out any fan mail regarding Star Wars without reading it." - That's from the Wikipedia article on Alec Guinness. -LtNOWIS 02:47, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Sad really. -- Riffsyphon1024 13:38, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I really do understand him. It's annoying to have had a grand career as Alec Guiness only to be remembered as Obi-Wan Kenobi, a small role you played in a film in your later years. It really is. He was a gentleman during shooting though. --Master Starkeiller 16:50, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * It really should be understood that Guiness did not hate being Obi-Wan. He actually liked the character quite a bit, and enjoyed the opportunity to play a patronly sage. It was the entire Star Wars concept that he thought was (in his words), "rubbish". Liked the character. Hated the story.
 * Well, he hadn't seen the whole thing, had he? And what he REALLY hated was being thought of as "Obi-Wan Kenobi". It is infuriating to be identified with a part you play, trust me, I know actors that people meet in the street and start talking to them about a role they played, it's very annoying. Imagine people in the street calling you "Obi-Wan Kenobi". Now that Star Wars has become a myth, it is a compliment, but back then it was annoying. --Master Starkeiller 17:07, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see Wikipedia as a reliable source on that. Can we confirm it anywhere else? --SparqMan 18:35, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I think people still don't understand, Alec didn't hate the character he played, he only hated being reconised as Obi Wan and not for any of his other accomplisments...Jedi Dude

Empire at War
In the Game Empire at War Obi-Wan fights along side the Rebel Alliance is this Canon?

Though it probably depends on the context, the answer is most probably no. Kenobi played no active role in the rebellion until a very short time in 0 BBY, and we all know about that. - Angel Blue 451 19:50, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)

I thought about this too, and it would not make much sense if Obi-Wan had come to the aid of the Rebellion at the time of Empire At War. It was his one and only priority to make sure that Luke was safe on Tatooine. He was also assumed to be dead (at least that is how I understand it) by pretty much everyone outside of Bail Organa (who eventually told Leia), Owen & Beru, Yoda, Vader, and anyone else that Vader told (i.e. Tarkin & Palpatine). If he had been a part of the Rebellion( however small the importance of his role), you would think that there would at least be a few people with knowledge of him still being alive. Surely this knowledge would have been hard to keep quiet, especially since it was widespread pseudo-knowledge that the Jedi were an extinct group of beings. I really enjoy the Expanded Universe, but at times it seems like people are purposely ruining the authenticity of the Star Wars canon. I wish the people who created Empire At War would have thought this through a little bit better before including him in the game. EDIT: OK, so I did a bit of research about Obi-Wan and I found that he wasn't exactly always there to watch over Luke, as he was off rescuing a fellow Jedi (if the consider The Glove of Darth Vader saga part of the Star Wars conon, then he could have been responsible for the concealment of the Lost City of the Jedi), but I still stand by the second half of my statement dealing that deal with him trying to keep his head low so as to not attract a lot of unwanted attention.

I love the continuing trend of trying to fit every video game into canon. Just love it. This isn't even remotely possible. Why do we have a line about Kenobi appearing to others on Mustafar? This comes from SWG....and maybe it is remotely possible, but it's also silly to think that we should canonize something that came from an RPG where canon is thrown to the wind.--Benkenobi84 15:18, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, to answer your second question, Darth Maul eventualy found him (even though that story isn't nessisarily canon) so his presence must have been known to a few others. But, Jedi have ways of concealing themselves even among the smallest crowds. Lord vader1414 22:55, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I would say that only the campaign would be considered canon, not the Conguests that have Ben. So if he is in the story, then he would be part of the Rebel cause

Ben could be a clone
You can strangle me right now if you wish.

he could be a clone from a kenobi in the past Offensive, version B number 1 of Kenobi ^_-
 * Strangles anon. -- Riffsyphon1024 13:37, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Ha. But in the New Republic/NJO era, Lucas put down the idea of using a Kenobi clone, so he wouldn't want him to be a clone originally.Siri Tachi 21:12, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * SO? Just because it was an IDEA, dosn't mean it's canon. Obi-wan was never, and WILL NEVER be a clone. I'll strangle anon too. If I could, I'd force choke you. Lord vader1414 22:58, 24 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Lay off the personal attacks, people. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 22:59, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Relation
did kenobi ever have any "relationships" with women?


 * Yeah man. He was a major pimp.--Xilentshadow900 22:13, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * He was in love with fellow Jedi Siri Tachi, and she was in love with him, but they never let it go anywhere. Whole "attachment is dangerous" thing. Why isn't there anything in the article about that? It's all over Siri's article. -- SFH 22:19, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Obi-Wan and Siri were in love, but due to the Jedi Code and them feeling they could not live a lie or hide a secret, they suppressed and buried their feelings. It was later that they rekindled them and accepted them, right before Siri died. -- Siri Tachi 02:32, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, in Jedi Apprentice: The Uncertain Path, Cerasi, a girl Kenobi met in the previous book, is mentioned. I'll just leave it at that, as I'm not good at interpretation. BambookidX 06:29, 4 April 2006 (UTC)
 * And then there's that chick he falls for when he's protecting her from the mob . . . and Darsha Assant . . . Cerasi is kinda different, though, isn't she?--Erl 22:59, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Who's Darsha? What book is she is? I liked Cerasi...always thought they shoulda hooked up. 63.245.172.82 06:26, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I always read those as being friendships, close like he had with Bant. He admitted to Bant that he cared for Cerasi, but it wasn't a love like romantic, it was friendship, like he loved Bant. Cerasi was also already in a relationship, even if it wasn't stated. I always thought that was obvious. Her and Obi-Wan were close friends. As it was with the other girls mentioned. Infatuation is different than relationships. Many Jedi grow close to those they are working with or protecting, but it doesn't mean they are in love or falling for them. I don't recall anything other than friendship between him and Darsha. And the same for the other girl. There were several girls like that in the books. It is made very clear that he feels something completely different for Siri. If you read Secrets it is obvious. Siri Tachi 04:30, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

????????
Does this line make make sense: "theoretically it could also be written as OB1 were he one." P.h 03:17, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)p.h
 * Where was it, we need to context if its to make any sense.Jasca Ducato 16:49, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
 * This means that the name could also be written as OB1 if he were a droid. - TopAce 10:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I fixed it P.h 02:17, 17 February 2006 (UTC)p.h

User:Thom32 15.35, 6 March 2006, I watched Revenge of the Sith today, and Oddball defintily refers to Kenobi as Red Leader in the battle over Courascent. I'm going to change the bit.

Profile Pic
What happened to the old profile pic? It was better. I don't have anything against putting an Alec Guiness pic, but the old one had his full body, and was a high-quality picture. The new one only has his head, and is all dark and blurry. How about this one? User:Odintheking
 * The profile pic has to be a head and shoulder shot, and a picture of the Guinness Obi-Wan. QuentinGeorge 00:04, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Why must it be Alec Guinness? MoffRebus 09:51, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Because it was Obi-Wans "latest" appearance. And I stumbled upon this. [[Image:Obiwanprofile.jpg|thumb]]
 * Well, if it was his latest appearance, wouldn't that be him in the comic picture? User:Odintheking
 * Last living movie appearance. QuentinGeorge 19:51, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I sort of have a problem with copyrighted images...this one came from a site that makes wallpapers where you can clearly see the background that is used. --Redemption 21:02, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Ideally a screencap from ANH would be best. QuentinGeorge 22:32, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Star Wars: Obi-Wan
Why aren't the events of the Xbox game in this article? That game was canon.Adventfear 06:18, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Add them in then. QuentinGeorge 06:53, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunatly, like The Phantom Menace Game and Revenge of the Sith, several things were added just for gameplay. --Redemption 22:49, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Master Kenobi
In attack of the clones jedi and citizens kept calling him Master Kenobi, but in many books they say he is a jedi knight.
 * As has been explained many, many times: "Master" is an honorific used for an Jedi training a padawan. Obi-Wan Kenobi is not a Jedi Master, however, until ROTS. QuentinGeorge 23:28, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Opinions

 * Under powers and abillities, is it nessesary for that opinion that states -(or THE greatest as some people think)-? Opinions don't belong in articles.--DarkShroud 22:17, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Removed, although technically it could be considered canon, since Stover's RotS novel actually labels him as the ultimate Jedi - Kwenn 16:05, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * It still looks better this way.--DarkShroud 21:53, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

Ventress + Kenobi? No...
If you've read Star Wars Clone Wars Volume 7: When They Were Brothers, you'll know what I mean. I mean, he did have an ever persistint search for Ventress, even after Anakin proclaimed that he killed her. He says when he finds Ventress in a medical center on Boz Pity, "What have they done to you?" Later, when she tries to kill him, and Anakin blocks her strikes, Obi-Wan speaks to Anakin-lightsaber on his cloak-"All she has ever known is violence! We'll never reach her through a lightsaber! I still think there's a part of her that Dooku hasn't corrupted!" Ventress lunges at him, Anakin still parrying, and Obi-Wan says to her, "Asajj! Listen to me! We're here to help you! You don't need to be alone any longer!" Later, when Dooku betrayes her and as a MagnaGuard shoot her in the chest, Obi-Wan runs too her, stoops over her body, and says, replying to her Obi-Wan plead,"Ssshh...don't talk. We can still save you...medics will be here soon." Ventress replies:"Hnh...I can see it's too late for that-the pity is gone from your eyes..." Obi-Wan stares at her, and says,"Yes...I know you'll be one with the force soon. Finally at peace." Obi-Wan holds her in his arms. Ventess says,"Watch the center of the galaxy...it is the key to victory...defend Coruscant from Dooku." Obi-Wan replies,"I'd though you'd use you dying breath to curse us." Ventress says,"Perhaps I have...or perhaps I just...hate Dooku more than I hate you...or maybe... you were right...about me...all...along..." Ventress was of course sent to a medical barge. She was later healed but...nobody knows what happened to her... -User:Sniper112
 * He is sort of compassionate for her, after what his response to Dooku was when he saw him on Boz:"Don't insult me. I've learned of Ventress' past. She is misled, not evil. You could have taught her comppassion and control!" By now, the comic shows Obi-Wan get a little frantic, and then continues,"Instead, you have preyed upon her weakness, filled her full of hate..."
 * Once again, I think people can over analyze. Yes, I can see where people might think this, but Asajj wasn't the first woman or person to die in Obi-Wan's arms, and she wouldn't be the last. That is just the type of person he is, if you follow his story completely and read everything about him, I see this as totally in character, not a "love" thing but a "compassion" thing like Jedi are supposed to have-he was a consumate Jedi in every point. I think it's admirable that he tried so hard to save her. It's something few people would have done, have spent time doing. Mayhaps since she survived, if she had reformed they would have been friends. Think about it-how many times, if Jedi have seen good in Sith, have they tried to save them? It's an innate part of being a Jedi/Good person. I for one wouldn't let someone who I thought had hope completely destroy themselves-I would do exactly what Kenobi did, but it wouldn't mean anything "relationship"-wise. Just my opinion, but I think that's how the Kenobi character would act, too. Siri Tachi 21:09, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, um...thanks...?-User:Sniper112
 * Anyone else think it's funny that Obi-Wan tried to help Ventress more than evil Anakin? Maybe he tried to pull him back from the dark side off screen... (Ulicus 16:21, 19 May 2006 (UTC))
 * Ventress was a Dark Jedi not a Sith. It would be about a billion times easier to reconvert a fallen Jedi than an actual Sith Lord like Anakin. Think about it. What's easier to do, get an occational smoker off ciggerets or a frigin big time smoker who smokes ten packs a day? Ventress still had good in her and Obi-wan sensed that, just like Luke sensed the good in Vader. Lord vader1414 23:09, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Probably Corellia?

 * isnt that a big assumption? or is there a source for this? --Razzy1319 14:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It's something one user has been repeatedly adding, despite getting reverted. Removing it. - Lord Hydronium 15:31, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Purge Quote???
Under the section titled something like "Jedi Purge", there's this quote:

"Would it have been too much to ask for the order before I gave him the bloody lightsaber...?"

- Clone Commander Cody when requested to give Order 66

That is quite funny in my opinion but doesn't seem like something even an Commander would say. I doubt it's from the novel... is it? -Aiddat 17:21, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes it is - Kwenn 17:24, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

clone wars costume
can we add this picture to the page? http://shop.starwars.com/kernel/imageload?table=cat_images;ttl2=15;key1=405392_img1;key2=-100_img1 --DannyBoy7783 17:50, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't know, its a good picture, but maybe it might be better used in a gallery of Obi-Wan pics? --Quidon88 23:43, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Do we have a gallery of obi wan images? --DannyBoy7783 11:12, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * of course =] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gallery_of_Obi-Wan_Kenobi_images the link is also at the bottem of the article page for furture reference. Jedi Dude 11:14, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Woops, sorry about that. I guess I just got lazy. Thanks. --DannyBoy7783 21:02, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

Combat form contradiction.
In the 'Power an abilities' section, it is sait that Kenobi used "Niman, using its opening stance (pictured at left) in the duel with General Grievous". Still the stance shown in this picture is much like the one the article of Soresu] describes as its opening stance, "the saber hand drawn back but the blade pointed towards the opponent, and the other hand in the same direction with a two-finger gesture". Seems like we have one opening stance for two lighsaber forms then, is there a mistake in one of those two articles ? From my point of view, I would not understand why Kenobi would use just the opening stance of Niman knowing that he masters Soresu... [[User:Petiflo|Petiflo 18:06, 16 July 2006 (UTC)


 * At least one source has conflicting information on the forms of lightsaber combat. The Hero's Guide shows a picture of Yoda with Form I written beneath it, indicating his mastery of this form, and in the same way it reveals Mace Windu to be a master of Form VII. The latter item is always given. Yet, the Revenge of the Sith novelization states Yoda is a master of Form IV, Ataru; this is conventional.


 * I thought this was the case here; I made a mistake. I apologize for the confusion. I checked the Revenge of the Sith: The Visual Dictionary, which contained the information about the Niman opening stance. It states that the opening stance has the practitioner hold the blade cocked high (at the side). I have made the necessary correction to the article to amend the faulty information.


 * Note that it makes sense to use an opening stance of a form one has not mastered or does not use frequently in feigning an attack. Anakin Skywalker did such in his second duel with Count Dooku. (See Anakin Skywalker's Talents.) --Shon Kon Ray 01:47, 22 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Quite right, when I think about it, Obi-wan also uses this stance aboard the invisible hand, right before Grievous escapes. That would mean he would also try to deceit him, this time in the heat of action which I find unlikely. But on the other hand, if this the opening stance of a defensive form, I find the blade in no position to defend any part of the body (can be discussed in the Soresu page)... Petiflo 18:03, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Obi-Wan's Masterhood
I am confused on when Obi-Wan Kenobi was promoted to the rank of Jedi Master. I have always thought he was a knight right before the Clone Wars, yet I couldn't help but noticed that in Episode II, Taun We addresses him as "Jedi Master Obi-Wan Kenobi". Could someone clear this up?


 * Taun We assumed he was a Jedi Master, as Sifo-Dyas was of this rank. --Shon Kon Ray 17:12, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


 * and people refer to the Jedi as Masters often (and often the Jedi say im only a padawan etc), just like how the whole order is often called Jedi Knights Jedi Dude 17:25, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Obi-Wan's Potential
At the absolute maximum, how powerful does anyone think Obi-Wan could have become, at the absolute maximum?


 * it doesn't matter, discussion pages are not for this kind of topic, it would be better to go to a discussion board. Jedi Dude 15:09, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Removal of Quotes?!?!
There seems to be a lack of quotes where there used to be, at the head of topic headings, i swear Legacy used to have a quote and Geonosis Jedi Dude 15:09, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

"I have a bad fell about this."
In TPM, what was Obi-Wan sencing in the beginning, Qui-Gon's future death? Double D 12:12, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm fairly sure he was referring to the Trade Federation trying to assassinate them in the beginning of the film, but you may be right. Totema1 20:47, 3 August 2006 (UTC)

But he said, it was something esle-where, plus before Qui-Gon was stabbed in the chest, Obi-Wan's mouth began to oper more and more, like he knew it was coming. Just before it happened, his mouth widely opened. 75.4.81.22 12:33, 5 August 2006 (UTC) (Double D)


 * i think he was simply just saying, he has a bad feeling, no visions about Qui's death, just a feeling. Jedi Dude 12:37, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

You could be right, but i doubt that is true, cause some things forshadow other things, plus I don't think Obi-Wan would had said it if it had no real meaning to it. Double D 21:11, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Something elsewhere, elusive...sounds an awful lot like...Darth Sidious, no? He's got a bad feeling about the plot behind the more obvious matter of the blockade. Qui-Gon, in tune with the here-and-now, sees only the trade dispute, and not the bigger picture. As to Obi-Wan's precognition at Qui-Gon's death, yes, he does appear to realize Qui-Gon is about to die, but I assume he gets that premonition at that moment; a sudden feeling of dread, perhaps. Certainly not something he's thought about from the start, otherwise he would no doubt have been more protective of his master - Kwenn 21:15, 5 August 2006 (UTC)


 * it wasn't a vision though, he had feelings. He knew something was up, the dark side covers everything but i don't think he knew anythin pacific. Jedi Dude 22:03, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Why should Kenobi's cruelty to Anakin NOT be mentioned here?
One of the most disturbing parts of ROTS for me was when Anakin was literally burning alive and all Obi-Wan did was stand there and watch dispassionately instead of using the Force to levitate him away from the lava flow. This is supposed to be one of the good guys? It doesn't matter if Anakin's crazy or even downright evil, anybody with any sense of decency would have DONE SOMETHING!

So here's what I wrote:

"As Vader cried out his everlasting hatred for Kenobi, Obi-Wan took his former Padawan's blue lightsaber and left Vader to die painfully from his burns (as opposed to ther other options of bringing the now-helpless Anakin along for medical and psychological treatment or simply putting him out of his misery). This decision would later come back to haunt Obi-Wan upon his discovery that Vader had survived; he wondered if his abandonment of Vader on Mustafar had in fact made Vader feel even more angry and betrayed, resulting in his further immersion in the dark side."

But all that got wiped out by somebody named Petiflo.

I think that Kenobi's cruelty here deserves to be mentioned, and the part about him having second thoughts about abandoning Vader comes right out of the last pages of Dark Lord by James Luceno.

In most fiction, the difference between good guys and bad is that the good guys display mercy, often to the point of saving the lives of evil people. In my not-so-humble opinion, NOBODY deserves to suffer the way Anakin did on Mustafar, no matter what they've done. There is only one person I would wish death by burning on: Palpatine, and only because he slowly killed one of Bevel Lemelisk's clones that way.

Finally, I'd like to point out that Obi-Wan left Anakin behind because he thought it would be impossible to redeem him. Obi-Wan obviously didn't know anything, because decades later Luke succeeded in bringing Anakin back from the dark side in less than 48 hours. This means that Obi-Wan and Yoda were dead WRONG when they kept saying there was no more good left inside Anakin. And if Luke was able to bring his father around in only a day or two, imagine what Obi-Wan, Yoda, Padme, and whomever else they got to help could have done to make him see reason if he were confined to a prison cell and they had as much time as they needed to talk to him and make him see the error of his ways? If they had sone so, the Darth Vader we know today never would have come to exist and the galaxy would have been better for it.

Instead, Obi-Wan decided Anakin was damaged goods. That he not only wasn't worth saving, but he wasn't even deserving of a quick and merciful death. He left Anakin to burn slowly, die slowly, like people did to witches in the middle ages. Anakin, understandably, hated him for it. That hatred made him into the creature we see in Episodes IV, V and most of VI. So...way to go, Kenobi.
 * Obi-Wan knew Anakin had turned to the dark side, and Anakin refused to return to the light. Had Obi-Wan saved Anakin, Anakin would have likely killed Obi-Wan for what he had done to him. Obi-Wan did what he had to. Plus, Obi-Wan thought Anakin was dead, until Dark Lord. That's why Obi-Wan had second thoughts about leaving him on Mustafar, because he knew that Anakin wouldn't have been recovered and transformed into the armor-wearing Darth Vader. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:17, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * You're rationalizing because you seem to think Obi-Wan is some kind of saint. He's not. You saw Anakin, you saw how helpless he was after losing his legs and lone arm. He was burned all over. If you really think he still had the power, in that condition, to pose any kind of threat to Kenobi, why the hell didn't he strike at Kenobi with the Force instead of merely yelling how much he hated him? Plus, if you look at the novel by Luceno, Kenobi wonders if it was wrong to leave Anakin BEFORE HE FINDS OUT ANAKIN IS STILL ALIVE! This is ridiculous, have you got no sympathy for Anakin at all? Is this all black and white to you? Anakin was bad so anything that happens to him, no matter how agonizing, is something he deserves? COME ON!

Oh yeah, Obi-Wan made only a token effort to try to get Anakin to return to the light side. He argued with him for a couple minutes and that was it. He just gave up and said "You made your bed pal, now burn in it. Cause that's how we old-school Jedi roll; we don't display any mercy to our enemies and don't care how much they suffer. That's what makes us so virtuous." To Obi-Wan's credit, he did warn Anakin against trying to make that leap, but afterwards he did NOTHING. Nothing but rant and rave about how Anakin had disappointed him...and while he was ranting and raving, Anakin was sliding toward the lava flow. I'm having a very hard time watching my language here because I'm so angry at the character, who shows none of the kindliness or likeability of the old man we see in ANH, and I'm angry at Lucas for turning Kenobi into such a (insert expletive here).

With somebody like Anakin you have to have something akin to an intervention. You have to imprison him, you have to keep on talking to him with Yoda and Padme (if she can be persuaded to live by the hope that she might be able to redeem Anakin), you have to do this night and day in shifts and if you spend a week or two at this and he's still completely insane and evil, then you kill him quickly and painlessly. That would have been the right thing to do.

Finally, those Jedi were hypocrites. The willingness of Windu to abandon "the Jedi way" just because it was expedient illustrates that either there was something wrong with "the Jedi way" or there was something wrong with Windu himself. Either way, there was something wrong with the Jedi and they were most certainly not infallible and they were most certainly not always a force for good.


 * this conversation is getting off the point, this talk page is for article discussions not points of view :) Jedi Dude 23:31, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * And opinions are not allowed on articles, anon. Keep your opinions and hate against Kenobi to yourself. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:43, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * So where am I allowed to express my opinions then? Not in the article, I understand that, but according to Jedi Dude not even on the discussion page?


 * By the way, when I write something like "Obi-Wan made no attempt to save him" that is not opinion, that is fact, and as a fact is has a place in the article. If I write that he left Vader to die painfully, that is also a fact, albeit a tough one for Obi-Wan fanboys to accept.


 * Now if I were to add something to the article like "Obi-Wan treated Anakin more like a slave than a friend, telling him to be quiet and know his place instead of joining in a discussion of strategy with his 'betters'," or if I were to write that "Obi-Wan and the rest of the Jedi forbade Anakin to check on his mother even when he had known for months that she was in trouble, with the unfortunate result that when he finally did get to her she was dying. If they had let him go sooner then she could have been saved," or if I wrote "Obi-Wan and the rest of the Jedi lived hollow, empty lives devoid of pleasure or fun and expected Anakin to do the same. When he was taken into the order nobody told him what he would be giving up, that he would be giving up the right to fall in love, to raise a family, to enjoy himself, all of the things we take for granted as normal people. Anakin had wanted to escape slavery to Watto and thought that becoming a Jedi would be cool and fun, but instead he became a slave to the Jedi Order, becoming the servant boy of all the Knights and Masters," then you're right, that would have no place in the article. But on the discussion page? Why not? Give me one good reason why not. --HanShotFirst 04:29, 15 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Because all of those statement or about the characters, not the article. When you said "why shouldn't I mention this in the article" then yes that was alright, because you refered to the article. But those talkpages are not to debate about how a character was treated by the others. --Petiflo 15:13, 15 August 2006 (UTC)

Obi-Wan in all six films?

 * I was wondering if it should state under the trivia section that aside from the droids R2-D2, and C3PO, Obi-Wan Kenobi is the only Star Wars character to appear in all six films. For those of you who are thinking it, yes, Anakin appears in all six films, as the movies are his story. However he was Darth Vader in the suit for the latter half of the saga, and doesn't redeem himself as Anakin Skywalker until ROTJ. So it can be argued that Anakin wasn't in all six films, "from a certain point of view". (Just had to say that!) - Impassioned Jedi 11:07, 16 August 2006 (UTC)

Image deletion?

 * The Knighthood section looks a little cluttered with images, I was wondering if it would be all right to remove this image:

I'm asking because this is a "Featured Article", and don't want to compromise it. - Impassioned Jedi 11:00, 17 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest the removal of more than one image. The article is far too image-heavy. Don't worry about Featured status - most of the article's pictures seem to have been added SINCE then. QuentinGeorge 11:37, 17 August 2006 (UTC)

Guinness hated being Kenobi

 * I noticed this further up on the page. I heard he was unhappy that his character was being killed off in the first film. This, of course, was before Lucas decided to bring him back as a spirit. He must have liked the part enough to want to play Kenobi in two more films.--Darth Oblivion 18:31, 18 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think it's more to do with the fact that he became best-known for playing Obi-Wan over all his other classic films. Kinda like how Patrick Stewart, a classical actor, is mostly known only for Picard, or Sir Ian McKellen only for Gandalf or Magneto - Kwenn 18:33, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Picture
Guinness! all body, a promotional image. Hope you like it. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg   20:17, 5 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Like it but it's in black and white and I think that some users will like the old one better.  Jaina Solo  Goddess Stuff [[Image:Jbig3.JPG |20px]] 20:21, 5 September 2006 (UTC)