Talk:Meetra Surik

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Name?
What is the explination as to why we don't know the exile's name. I know why, but what is the canon reason
 * Everyone else but the audience knows the name. And obviously we can't ask the "actors" what the name is. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 21:24, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think there is one. And new conversations go at the bottom. Please sign your posts using four tildes ~ . Chack Jadson 21:26, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Note
The lengthy discussions previously here have been put in the third archive. If you want to start a discussion, you may want to check one of the previous archives to see if your points have been raised already. If you want to start up a discussion complaining about the Exile being female: please do so on another site, unless you can find a genuinely new point and can do so without insulting other editors or the Lucasfilm people responsible for setting the female lightside Exile as canon. Thanks. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 15:25, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Lightsaber of the Jedi Exile
Although the player has the choice on what type and color the lightsaber is that Atris takes out during their conversation at the Telos Academy, if the player declines to talk about the lightsaber after Peragus, the default lightsaber is a single-bladed cyan-colored lightsaber.

I would like to know where this piece of information came from, as well as any instances in the game it is verified. In my experience, if the lightsaber discussion with Atton is dismissed, the default lightsaber of the Exile is single-bladed, and the colour depends on her class (yellow for the Sentinal class, blue for Guardian and green for Consular). This is shown during the Trial of the Exile cinematic, where she proceeds to stab her ignited lightsaber into the center stone.

Where did the idea of a cyan lightsaber come from? --Chaota 20:59, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * That's bizzare Chaota; I've played that scene a dozen times myself, and if the question of the Exile's lightsaber was dismissed it is always set to single blade Cyan. And I've done that scene with all three starting classes. I'm not certain why it would be different for you. Master Kavar 21:48, 30 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The Exile was a general in the Mandalorian Wars. She probably started out with a standard color, but changed it to something that suited her better. It should also be noted that cyan is halfway between green and blue, possibly implying a balance between Jedi Consular and Jedi Guardian.--Atlas503 05:57, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Gaaahh! Not gameplay mechanics again. - Sikon 06:21, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that might be looking a little too deep into it Atlas, it's just a random color after all. It wouldn't really matter what the color was...except maybe red, that would probably raise a few eyebrows. Master Kavar 07:35, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well a few Jedi had red lightsabers, without falling, or haven fallen to the darkside. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 12:20, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * So I've heard, but those Jedi were all from the New Jedi Order of Luke Skywalker, correct? Master Kavar 23:41, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope, Adi Galia is an example 81.76.30.151 23:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Adi Galia is, like, THE example. It may not have been law that red = evil, but it's the general impression that everyone gets. "Wait, you didn't go red, did you? [...] Great. After we're all dead, you and that Sith can have a party."

- Atton Rand (paraphrased)


 * NOTE: For whatever reason the Jedi Exile has a cyan lightsaber, cyan is in the middle of blue and green on the color spectrum. This could be an indicator that the Exile was a balance between a Jedi Consular and a Jedi Guardian, or it could be a complete and total coincidence.--Atlas503 07:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That's an interesting take, but the game already presents a balance between Consular and Guardian: the Jedi Sentinel. -BaronGrackle 14:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but if you hadn't noticed, the Sentinel - by the game stats - is not a thorough balance. It is the complete opposite of the Consular, and then there's the Guardian out there all by itself. If Atlas's hypothesis is accurate, then it may go to say that the Exile might have been a Sentinel, but sought a more balanced existence between the two extreme classes; other than that which we see in the game mechanics. But then again, other than the default cyan, all of this is just speculation.--Master Dakari 14:12, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Problem: The main image of this article is saying that the Exile's lightsaber was cyan while she fought Traya at the game's end. 70.106.243.99 20:51, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * thats a problem true. someone who has the means, should change the color of the main image to whatever grey scale the image for jaden korr is set too.

Gender
"This confirmation from the Keeper of the Holocron established that the Exile is indisputably female." - sadly, no, it confirms that there indisputably is a canonical gender for the character, but doesn't say (conclusively) what it is. While it is extremely unlikely that a later publication having to refer to the gender would be allowed to make the wrong call, it is possible. Presumably at some earlier point (before the game was launched) it seemed appropriate for the lead to be male; I doubt that the powers that be would have allowed that in the first place if there wasn't nominal agreement on the subject.

The fact that (assuming the gender being female is correct, which seems eminently reasonable) the decision was made to take the harder route and contradict earlier indications. I'd probably make the same decision, but solely for variety's sake.

Probably someone should ask why the Exile was chosen to be canonically female (two birds with one stone there), but at this point I have as little motivation to do so as the apparent reverting warriors here do. Why hasn't anybody asked for an actual explicit canonical decision (as of the current time)?

By the way, citing the source would have been extremely useful - I ended up finding it on the 68th page of the forum thread! -- 81.154.242.182 00:39, 8 December 2006 (UTC) call me "the infinite bobs"

I'd like to point out that the official trailer for the game refers to the Exile as a male. In light of this, I do not think that the Exile should necessarily be considered female yet.
 * This has been discussed a million times before. Check the archives linked at the top of the page. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 20:34, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Trailer pre-dates both game and the book. Exile is female. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 20:53, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Usually, the more recent release of a canonical source is the "most canon." Except for movies, of course. A game trailer is probably "outcanoned" by anthing, though. Trailers are made to ignite interest in a game (or movie). Since (I think) many would play with a male character, setting the player's character as male is better for merchandizing. - TopAce 20:59, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Given that Chris Avellone said the trailer has nothing to do with the actual game events and it was a conscious decision, it's non-canon. - Sikon 03:38, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Despite everything we've do, we can't seem to stop people from attempting to revive this argument. Anyone have any ideas on how to make it any clearer that the Exile is female, and it's not going to change unless officially retconned?-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 07:49, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * We should just stop answering these questions and leave them as if they didn't exist. - TopAce 20:02, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

The only way to know the gender of the Exile is to wait for the info from KOTOR 3
 * You mean like how KoTOR 2 told us Revan's gender? --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 22:06, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Not true, you can choose Revan's gender, having the game alter around it. Maybe KOTOR 3 will be like that. Jedi master Rimsek 22:07, 4 December 2006 (UTC) – 22:58, 27 December 2006 (UTC) Before this turns into a rant, I better get to the point. My main point is that it seems as though the Exile was only established as female because Leland Chee and the folks at Lucasfilm wanted to pacify the angry female fans and NOT because they were attempting to actually create a strong female character. Of course, that is only my opinion and I can't say that I really blame them since far more men play these games then women, but I still find it disappointing.– 01:27, 28 December 2006 (UTC) Whilst trying to see it from a woman's perspective in almost every star wars thing the main character is almost always Male, and a few companions are female. I will close be saying that even if the droid book says the exile is female kotor stats that only He can save the galaxy, I'm sure Kotor would be more canon that some droid book but it does seem that the exile is know canonicaly female By Hk-47
 * I believe there are a few select incidences where KOTOR II refers to Revan as male, regardless of the "Atton Inputs" at the opening of the game. .  .  .  .  22:10, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope. After you choose Revan's gender, no other comments are ever made to the contrary. Jedi master Rimsek 23:29, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Mmm? So sure are you? .  .  .  .  23:31, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure, but I could be wrong. Jedi master Rimsek 00:33, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Referring to Revan as a male despite you setting them as female would be considered a bug. Otherwise the Atton conversation would be like Atton: "What can you tell me about Revan?" Exile: "Well, Revan was a female and-" Atton: "WRONG!" --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 00:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't remember any such conversation.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 00:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Because he's saying it doesn't happen because it would be a bug. Duh. Jedi master Rimsek 02:03, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, I misread his comment.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 02:36, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I can think of at least one instance of that "bug" appearing. When you get to Dantooine and repair the protocol droid in the hangar and see the hologram between Kavar and Vandar, they refer to the exile as male, even if you are female. There are other instances also, but I can't think of them. I do know, however, that there are never any bugs where a male Exile is called female.Darth Ceratis 01:49, 11 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Uhh... we're talking about revan's "customizable" gender right now... Jedi master Rimsek 00:56, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that since the main/defualt gender of the exile in the game is male it should stay male on the page, or at least stay as unknown because there are sources that say the exile is male and there are some that say the exile is female.
 * Since when is the Jedi Exile's default gender male? -  Yoshi  626 [[Image:Yoshiegg.jpg|20px]] 07:02, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What sources say the Exile is male?-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 09:15, 17 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It would be interesting to know why the gender calls on both KOTORs were made the way they were. Frankly, it only bugged me as bad as it does because of the game files putting so much more material on the gender declared non-canon. (the alternate ending and romance for female Revans, additional motive for Atris's hostility, the Handmaiden's arc, the promo art, and the Obsidian's own trailer for male Exiles). It's also telling that the same guys who gut out the female Exile writing are usually the same bozos puffing out their chest and crowing about canon when it comes to Revan's debate.
 * I can understand how you feel. I also prefer the female Revan and the male Exile, but having said that, this topic has really run its course and we are all fairly tired of it. The following links should provide all the information that we know about Chee's decision:
 * http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=222689&start=615#12367041
 * http://forums.starwars.com/thread.jspa?threadID=222689&start=01830#14548812
 * As a KOTOR gamer, I prefer male Revan and male Exile, because, since I'm a guy myself, it's easier to identify with male characters. As a Star Wars fan with respect for what's considered official canonical continuity, I'm fine with a female Exile - in fact, I think it's a great retcon as it erases some of the traditional gender patterns from our own world and it's kind of in line with the image of the strong female character we know from Leia and from Amidala (before she was reduced to a traditional housewife). The Exile's a girl - get over it. KEJ 23:23, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, and I know this is completely off-topic, I don't think the decision to make the Exile female does away with the "traditional gender patterns from our own world". Quite the contrary. You will notice that the truly important, strong, and powerful character, Revan, is male. Meanwhile, Revan's relatively unremarkable subordinate, the Exile, is female. I think that it could easily be argued that such an arrangement is fairly stereotypical and not terribly admirable.– 23:51, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * LOL, in some rhetorical twisty way, you got a point. Of course, on the other hand, if Revan was a female and the Exile was a male, this could be seen as an allegory of the Fall of Man, in which Eve tempts Adam to eat the apple and thus being exlied from Paradise as a result, which cause the oppression of women in many communities who took the Old Testament as their holy book in the following thousands of years. The female Revan would influence the male Exile into activating the Mass Shadow Generator, thus becoming exiled from the Jedi Order as a result. That's an equally stereotypical arrangement. KEJ 00:27, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Don't get me wrong, I am glad that they chose to make one of the player characters female. I just think that it is rather lame that they chose the easiest solution rather than the controversial one. I mean, in many ways, the female Revan was a far more intriguing and original character, especially since there are absolutely no truly powerful female figures in the Star Wars universe. On the other hand, the male Revan is little more than a weird thrawn/palpatine amalgamation.
 * If not for Disciple replacing Handmaiden in the female story, I wouldn't mind the Exile being a girl. MPK 23:40, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

The beggining of the game says only He can save the galaxy. P.h2 18:51, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It has been said by two sources that the Exile is a female, post-dating the game. Give it up (or get slapped with a ban-stick. Your call) -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] Talk 18:53, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I don't know... it does say at the beginning of the game that only "He" can save the galaxy. I think this is sufficient evidence to prove that the ability for a player to choose a female Exile character is nothing more than an elaborate BUG, that the game designers never meant for the female game to even be an option, and that any information from that campaign was never meant to make it into final production. Yup. I think that's what makes sense. The female option was a game bug. -BaronGrackle 02:03, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's right, they spent all that time programming in several female faces for the Exile, a romance option, and various other storyline changes appropriate for a female Exile by mistake. (In all seriousness, does that opening text change when you pick a female main character?  If not, that's a bug.  Which is what you're saying, right?  Sorry, my sarcasm detector overloaded last week.  8) ) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:14, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

http://lucasarts.com/games/swkotor_sithlords/index.html-On this the official site the Jedi Exile is depicted as a male. Nuff Said.
 * Good for it. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 20:09, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That is an advertisement.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|20px]] 20:27, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Name
There has been some debate as to choosing a name for the Exile. I think fans should do what is being done for Jacen Solo as fans are helping choose his new Sith name. Fans should submit name ideas, the writers choose the top ones they like, and fans vote for them. Jedi Striker, 25 November 2006, 02:15 (UTC) look, I'm not on this wiki regularly, but I own one of the games, and the way I see it, "Jedi Exile" is a variable name for the character you choose. So should it really be changed from that an actual person, although it has been considered the exile was canonly (is that a word?) a female, so I guess all I've really done is put some ideas down for the idea of a name--75.84.144.109 07:33, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Unless there is an official contest, which I doubt will happen, we can't give the Exile a name.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 07:40, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well we can't have the Exile nameless forever. Jedi Striker, 25 November 2006, 13:38 (UTC)
 * Take it up with Leland Chee. -- SFH 19:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't care if the exile is male or female (although I've always seen her as female). Whoever is in charge of such things simply needs to release a statement on the Exile's gender. It could be something as simple as "It's a guy" or "The Exile is a woman." But really, a character that leeches off those around her and forces others to do what she wants without trying? That sounds like a female to me... 71.197.9.217 01:40, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Is the Crew really dead?
I just have one question to ask: In the Light Side ending of KotOR II, have your companions (Besides T3-M4) really died? Because I'm not sure. Any helpful comments would be appreciated, as I'm completely confused. Exile Catherine 02:23, 7 January 2007 (UTC) Exile_Catherine
 * As I recall, at least some of them are supposed to have gone on to help rebuild the Jedi Order. That's what Kreia's prophecies say, anyway. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:19, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's what I thought too, but a lot of articles say that only T3 and the Exile survived, so that confused me. Exile Catherine 02:24, 7 January 2007 (UTC) Exile_Catherine
 * Which ones? -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] Talk 02:26, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Language proficiency
Whatever languages Exile understands, she understands because of her own skills. The player isn't even required to pick up the HK vocabulator. Of course, she doesn't speak Shyriiwook, as it's only possible for Wookiees, but she understands it. - Sikon 07:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Whether or not the player picks up the Sonic Imprint Sensor, the game assumes that the Exile has it. It's explained in a conversation with HK:

''HK-47: Query: Master, excuse me, one thing I have noticed as we travel the galaxy - you seem to possess the ability to understand a variety of alien languages. Forgive me, but that does not seem in keeping with my assessment of your talents.''

Exile: I picked up a sonic imprint sensor on Peragus - it doubles as a translator.

''HK-47: Answer: Because it seems to know all the languages I do, and I am feeling degrees of familiarity and inferiority both at once. ... Indeed, it seems to be modeled after my vocabulator, with some modifications, of course.''


 * From that conversation the game seems to imply that the Exile knows only a limited amount of languages, and surely not one as obscure as Shyriiwook. As far as I can tell, the only languages that the Exile has been confirmed as knowing on her own is galactic basic and droid speak. Master Kavar 08:32, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ah, the sensor. I get it now. - Sikon 08:49, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

I have an idea!
So I was reading the "arguments" over this very very stupid debate of male vs. female Exile. Some arguments I laughed at, some I cried for. This is just ridiculous. So here's an idea: we create two seperate articles! I know, I'm brilliant. Now, in order to avoid people getting their panties in a knot, we could name the article (gasp!) something not referencing sex! Now, fulfilling this feat is not for the weak of mind; it is something that only the brightest of this community can contemplate on. After all, the last thing we want is an article labeled, "MALE JEDI EXILE LOL!!!1" My suggestion for the name of this proposed article: "Substantial Alternate Plotlines for KOTOR2." With a title like this, we can talk about ALL of the alternate plotlines for the game, not just gender change. This way, the femi-nazis don't bitch about it, and the chauvinist pigs can shut face. Do the same for KOTOR1 and we've got two very full, very rich articles right there.

For those of you worried about canon issues, consider this: the game is considered canon. Therefore, all the plotlines are considered canon. After all, alternate timelines are considered as much canon as anything else. This is just an extension from that, really.

You all have to admit, if it weren't for the fact that this sparked a hot debate, the very idea of a Behind the Scenes section taking up half an article would be shunted to a seperate article in a heartbeat. Sirius Shadowflame 20:13, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I once felt the same way about creating two profiles to satisfy everyone, but after giving it some thought I know believe it works better the way it is now. Some people are unhappy about the canonizing of the Exile, but the character now transcends her video game origins, and the article should reflect the "official" character she is. The rest of the "alternative" data about the Exile from the video game works just fine as a BTS section. There's no reason why both sides can't be presented, but they're (unfortunately) not equal, and shouldn't be presented as such. Master Kavar 20:26, 13 January 2007 (UTC)


 * It would only serve to satisfy the people who can't accept canon. A stupid idea. That's the problem with the world today. Everyone has to be satisfied. No such thing as "tough luck" anymore...-- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 21:46, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No separate articles. The alternate storyline is already covered in the BTS section of the main article. - Sikon 07:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Unblock the article for edits!
Look, it's been so many months since the article was blocked because of the whole gender issue. I think we're just about done with that whole issue, so unblock it! If anyone tries to make changes, we block them. Jedi Striker 16:00, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It is unlocked. The only reason you can't edit it is because you're not logged in. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 21:13, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, then I am sooooo stupid. But my background and editing windows keep getting screwed up whenever I log in. Jedi Striker 12:03, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Exile vs. Revan?
I don't know if this could be considered canonical or not, but since there's no level cap in KotOR II, the Exile can become significantly more powerful than Revan in the first one. Do you think we ought to make some reference to that in the P&A section? The masters at the Enclave said that her power came from "leeching" off of others.

Eowynjedi 23:02, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Levels are game mechanics. Game mechanics = not canon. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 23:03, 17 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps because I've so often claimed that various things are not game mechanics, I feel compelled to voice my assent with Redemption. As for the "leeching", I believe Kreia stated it was a power that Revan also possessed. Oh, and here's a fun side-note: don't you just love KOTOR 2's explanations for game mechanics? How can Darth Sion take such a beating and still live? / Answer: Master, you and your companions fall "unconscious" and get back up all the time, so it seems pretty common. &mdash; and of course &mdash; You mean I'm leeching off of others? / Well, yeah. You didn't notice that you get stronger every time you kill someone? What did you think you were doing, leveling-up? -BaronGrackle 15:35, 18 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Those aren't really in-game explanations so much as in-game jokes. [[Image:DarthAbeonisSig2.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 21:54, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

I think it is cannon because after you deafet Darth Traya she says you are greater than any i have ever trained, that includes reven. oh and by the way kotor2 does have a level cap it is 50-Darth Morder
 * when does she say the exile is greater/the most powerful than any she has ever trained? revan was described as the heart of the force while the exile is the death of the force. those are oposites and since she wanted the force to die, i think traya is biased and revan is far more powerful.
 * Darth Traya says it on malachor v after you deafeat her, her exact words are, "you are far greater than any i have ever trained, by killing me here you have rewarded me more than you can possibly know.-Darth Morder
 * Could just be flattery, or her trying to deal with her recent defeat. I don't think we can count a dying womens last words as a source, unless it's coherent speech. [[Image:DarthAbeonisSig2.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 15:48, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Top Jedi
To me the Exile is one of the best Jedi ever. She defeated Darth Nihilus,discouarge Sion, and killed Kreia. Sion and Nobody were easy, but defeating Kreia was amazing feat. Kreia was a master stagiest, and yet the Exile still won, she is amazing.
 * Talk pages aren't the place to post your thoughts on your favourite characters. They're for discussions of the article itself - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:58, 20 January 2007 (UTC)

Alignment of the Jedi Exile
I apologize profusely in advance if I am bringing up a subject that has already been beaten to death several times...Is the Exile LS, DS, or Neutral? If any of these, where is it stated? Grand Moff Rhell 23:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

The NEGTD describes her as a heroine, implying LSF. Lord Patrick 05:37, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

And the NEGTD says that G0-T0 was killed by HK-47 and the '51s, I think. And that is the light side. RDMio 16:41, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Image
Can we get an image for the male Exile face options? Like this but male? Telos 04:48, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * For what reason? Last time I did this request for the female Revan heads, it went to waste. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 04:52, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't exactly know why I want it... I suppose I could use it for articles I have made on Star Wars Fanon Wiki... If you don't think my reason is good enough I don't mind if you don't supply the pic. Telos 05:30, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * We may be able to put it in the article somewhere... Telos 20:50, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Jedi weaponmaster
Was the Exile a jedi weaponmaster, because she master many forms in a matter of seconds.--Sunquan 23:14, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * There is no canon info on that. - TopAce 18:37, 17 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Besides, many jedi were skilled with multiple weapons. Jedi master Rimsek 01:21, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Revision Ideas
Hello everyone! I've revised the 'significance' section offline. However, due to the block I will post it here. Sysops do what you will with it.

== Significance == "You were always a difficult one to read&mdash;both when you were tied to the Force, and even more when it was lost to you."

- Zez-Kai Ell

The ramifications of the Exile's actions were still being felt throughout the galaxy nearly 4,000 years after the defeat of Kreia. The Jedi she trained would go on to resurrect the decimated Jedi order into a body that would number thousands until Palpatine's great purge. Furthermore, the actions she took on Dantooine, Onderon, and Telos would ensure the solidification of a republic that had been teetering on collapse, and prolong its existence for several thousand more years. Whether this ultimately proved to have positive or negative effect was certainly a subject of debate among historians for centuries to come. Whatever the result, it is undeniable that the Exile was an extraordinary example of a single individual upon which the fate of the Galaxy, for albeit a brief time, pivoted. Jedi Revan 19:50, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

Name Generator
I'm sure this has already been addressed, but how is "Lann Darth" an easter egg? Darth may be a sith title, but it's hardly an easter egg. Jedi master Rimsek   02:26, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, I checked the archives, and it was addressed, but no answer was given. Jedi master Rimsek   [[Image:Jedi Order.jpg|20px]] 02:27, 1 March 2007 (UTC)