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Darth Venimis
I thought the source cited for Darth Venimis came from an official statement from Random House. Might I have been mislead? 173.51.117.61 19:58, December 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Here's what has been officialy released: STAR WARS: DARTH PLAGUEIS mini-excerpt #1, STAR WARS: DARTH PLAGUEIS mini-excerpt #2, STAR WARS: DARTH PLAGUEIS mini-excerpt #3, STAR WARS: DARTH PLAGUEIS bonus mini-excerpt, Star Wars: Darth Plagueis unabridged audiobook excerpt, Star Wars: Darth Plagueis excerpt Nothing on "Darth Venimis." If you are aware of any other official sources, feel free to add them to the article. I haven't come across any, though. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 21:50, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

Maul
Please do not engage others in edit wars in mainspace articles. Your edits in Darth Maul should be taken to the article's talk page if you feel that the information JRT2010 is adding into the article is incorrect. Keep it civil and polite and try to resolve this dispute without any unnecessary mannerisms. Thank you,  JangFett  (Talk) 20:11, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * I thought there was a 3-revert rule. I didn't violate it, and had no intention of doing so. I provided my sources, and vouched not to edit it out again. So what is the problem? --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2	 21:40, January 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * I did read the novel and Plagueis specifically told Sidious not to train Maul as a true Sith Lord because doing so violated the Rule of Two. By the way, Plagueis only wanted to end the cycle of "apprentice killing master" started by Bane and Zannah, but he still kept the number of Sith Lords at two, which he intended to do forever (pg. 252). Sidious assured Plagueis that Maul would only be trained as a weapon (assassin)&mdash;someone to do the dirty work without Plagueis or Sidious risking exposure (pgs. 250 - 251). Even Maul confirmed this when he thought to himself about his suspicions that Sidious was holding him back. He was worried that he wouldn't be able to carry on the Grand Plan in case Sidious died because he didn't have the right training (pg. 302). Hence, Maul was more of a dark acolyte or a secret apprentice than an actual Dark Lord of the Sith. Take Galen Marek for example. He was given Sith training, but we don't call him a Sith Lord because there were already two (e.g. Sidious and Vader); the Plagueis novel reveals that the same applied to Maul now. If you have anything that could counter my sources, then I'll drop the matter. If not, then "Dark Lord of the Sith" has to be taken out of the Maul article because based on the sources I've provided from the Plagueis novel, Darth Maul wasn't a true Sith Lord. JRT2010 14:41, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, I cannot point you to a specific page, for I only own an electronic copy of the novel, but I will point you to the final chapter, where Sidious explains to Plagueis that he tricked him and trained Maul as his Sith apprentice, the "true intermediary" of the Grand Plan. The original arrangement was, as you said, that he would not be trained as a Sith, but as an assassin to do the Sith dirty work, an assassin who was to know nothing of the Grand Plan, but the original arrangement was not honored by Sidious, who bestowed upon Maul the title of Dark Lord of the Sith, as is explicitly stated in Star Wars Journal Episode I : Darth Maul and mentioned in the article. The fact that there was an extra Dark Lord alive at the time does not in any way invalidate his Sith-hood, no more than it invalidates Plagueis's Sith-hood in the case of Venamis, if indeed Tenebrous bestowed the title upon him as well as upon Plagueis. Remember that The Tenebrous Way reveals that Tenebrous never really trained Plagueis. They just violated the Rule of Two, like most of the Sith it applied to, as the novel reveals. -- R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 15:38, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * You make some good points, but there's still one problem: Darth Venemis admitted that he wasn't a true Sith Lord, despite his training and the "Darth" title. When he confronted Plagueis, he said, "Your death will legitimize the title". He confessed that he wasn't a true Dark Lord of the Sith because the role of master and apprentice had already been filled by Tenebrous and Plagueis. Also, you have to consider the fact that Star Wars Journal Episode I : Darth Maul is an older source, written long before the plot was created for the Plagueis novel. My understanding of the situation is that the Plagueis book reveals that Maul was only led to believe that he was a Dark Lord of the Sith; he never knew that Sidious still had a master. What's more, I've read the whole book, including the last chapter, and no where does Sidious specifically refer to Maul as a "true" Sith Lord. He simply says he'll continue to use him as an assassin; someone who'll take all the risks that Sidious couldn't afford to take. But if the Maul article still refers to him as a "Dark Lord", then it should at least be clear that he wasn't a Dark Lord under the Rule of Two. Neither was Venemis since, as I said before, he admitted to his own illegitimacy. JRT2010 22:40, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * That he was a Dark Lord in violation of the Rule of Two should, of course, be mentioned (which is very interesting when we consider that the Rule of Two was first mentioned in reference to Maul), but the older sources identifying him as a Dark Lord of the Sith should not be discarded, since there are no contradictions. I believe no source mentions Galen Marek as a Dark Lord of the Sith, and the Venamis situation is yet unclear, so the cases are not really comparable. Whether Maul is a "true" Sith Lord or a Sith Lord in name only is a conversational topic; his right to go by the title of Dark Lord of the Sith is, on the other hand, of encyclopedic importance. Remember that the only authority in the Sith world are the Sith themselves; there is none to impose the Rule of Two other than the two it refers to, so, if you think about it, to ask them not to violate is like telling a child not to eat off the cookie jar you have placed on its bedstand. Sidious chose to violate it, and indeed he violated it by training Maul as a Sith and making him a Dark Lord and a Darth. Perhaps Tenebrous violated it with Venamis, perhaps not. Again, if we go down the "Bane purist" path, per The Tenebrous Way, Darth Maul has a far more solid claim on true Sith-hood than Plagueis ever did. -- R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 23:09, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Whether Maul had more claim to being a Sith Lord than Plagueis is debatable. In terms of power and knowledge, however, definitely not. The fact that he was the apprentice of an apprentice does not help his case if we look at it in the "Bane purist" sense. But as for the Dark Lord stuff, I have no further objections, as long as it's made clear that Maul was not a Dark Lord in accordance with the Rule of Two. JRT2010 23:35, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Of course, although I think that the correct phrasing would be: "Maul was a Dark Lord in violation of the Rule of Two." -- R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 10:34, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

Wookieepedian of note
Just curious as to what contribution to Star Wars canon you have made.  Gethralkin  Hyperwave 03:29, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * I was one of the co-authors of the backstory for Olana Chion and Silya Shessaun through What's the Story. Now that was fun. But alas, Lucasfilm's SW policy has changed since then, and a visit to SW.com will make it clear to anyone that the devoted SW geek is no longer a priority for the company. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 12:54, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Wow, I didn't realize that Hyperspace was discontinued. I took it for granted that it was a part of what being a Star Wars fan was all about. I wish I signed up when I had the opportunity to do so some time ago. Going to a university doesn't exactly lend itself to maintaining hobbies that require expense.  Gethralkin  Hyperwave 15:17, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * For me, What's the Story alone was worth the price of Hyperspace. The whole Ep. III era was a great time for the Star Wars community. Sadly, Hyperspace is now gone, and gone unsung at that. Going back to SW.com is depressing; all the content us gone, replaced with flashy Flash effects with big letters and pictures that pre-schoolers can understand. And I can't even log into my account. Company policy has apparently changed a lot since then, and all I see is: target the kiddies. I guess this site, for all its constipatory shortcomings, is a ray of SW geek sunshine, isn't it? --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 15:36, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Unidentified Muun youngling
Hi, please note that is generally frowned upon to make large changes to an article that has been nominated for, in this case, Comprehensive article status. If you think changes should be made to the article, then the proper thing to do would be to raise objections on the nomination page. Thanks,  nayayen ★talk  22:41, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, thanks for the info. I didn't know. But what exactly constitutes large changes? I didn't move around any paragraphs or so, only corrected mistakes (we don't know whether he was from Muunlinst, and the article claimed he was, the Damask residence linked was a different house, and I changed a few words that were repeated too close to one another). --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 22:53, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am OK with the changing, so thanks for clarifying things. 501st Dogma Republic_emblem.png( Comlink ) 22:55, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * As I said, I was only making corrections, yes, a few stylistic ones, but basically I saw errors and that's why I hit the edit button. I didn't even notice the tag. I appreciate you walking me through the bureaucracy, Nayayen, I'd just like to know if my changes were considered "major." --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 23:00, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Sorry, the diff link I posted must change with subsequent edits, I was referring to these changes where you added a whole new paragraph at the start which almost entirely rewrote the first few sentences. Small changes like grammatical fixes in a copyedit and correcting links are fine, but anything more should really be raised as an objection to the nomination. That being said, 501st Dogma is fine with the changes and it isn't immediately obvious at first that raising an objection first is the best thing to do, so there's no harm done really. Just keep it in mind for the future =)  nayayen ★talk  23:10, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * I will. But again, my changes were corrective in nature, not stylistic. I removed the Muunilinst info, which was unsupported by the source material, and added a timeline placement in its place, with a supportive note. Then I just separated the paragraphs to let the text breathe. That's why I rewrote the first sentence, because there was nothing in the published source to support it, it was in error. I'd like to know, in a different case than this, even if I know a particular detail to be in error, does etiquette still demand that I not take outright action? --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 23:30, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * For regular articles, there is no issue. However, with Featured Article, Comprehensive Article, or Good Article Nominations, it is a bit different. Most single-instance punctuation or grammatical fixes&mdash;or even a minor edit to fix a cited source or template use, etc.&mdash;are considered okay and called "sofixits," a term that is even put into the edit summary of the fix. However, fundamental changes to all or part of an nominated article&mdash;when the nominator who will receive credit for making sure the article meets the criteria set for FANs, CANs, or GANs&mdash;is generally considered intrusive. Reaction varies with the individual&mdash;I am usually okay with additional help, and apparently 501st Dogma is, too. Just be aware that not everyone is and, in fact, most are not.  Gethralkin  Hyperwave 05:03, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * That I understand. But my question was about corrections: I stepped in because there were errors in the article. Are editors not supposed to take immediate action beyond "sofixits" even when there are errors? If, for example, we had a Featured Article on Napoleon that claimed that he was from Sardinia, not Corsica, should I not step in with a patent disregard for whatever restriction? Of course, I offer this merely as an example. The errors in the article in question were, unlike the Sardinian Napoleon, minor, as, I maintain, were my corrections. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 12:19, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think Gethralkin summed it up quite well. Leaving an objection means that the nominator can handle the changes in the way that they'd prefer and, if necessary, can explain why they might disagree with such changes. Personally, if it were my nomination, I'd rather you didn't "step in with a patent disregard for whatever restriction". If explicit factual corrections need to be made, you should point them out to the nominator as the onus is on them to correct them. Saying to the nominator, "How very encyclopedic to assume. Let me help." and proceeding to make a correction which the nominator had previously reverted is not how to handle it.  nayayen ★talk  14:48, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I see. Then I shall not be worrying about the quality of this website's articles from this point forward. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 15:08, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I think there is a misunderstanding concerning noms, here. There is only a limited time for the nom to pass or fail. The nominator gets the privilege of adding the credit of passing a nom. If a nom fails, then it means that the editor that nominated it did not meet the objections and bring the article up to the quality needed to pass. Voters making objections actually help establish standards that go on record (and are archived), whereas making sofixits without comment do not receive the same dignity. In this way the nominations and their objections actually improve the standards of other articles written. Does that make sense?  Gethralkin  Hyperwave 22:36, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Not to me. I have to be honest, I don't understand any of this. It sounds to me like a whole load of useless bureaucracy, like most things pertaining to how this place is run. See mistake and/or omission, fix it, move on, that's all one needs to do in order to make this site better if you ask me. The whole social element of editing can be an impediment to quality. Accuracy ought to be the alpha and quality the omega, everything else just gets in the way. And now that the official site is kid-oriented with big pictures and preschooler prose and links to Wookieepedia for real info, we shoulder a responsibility second only to the Encyclopedia's in terms of "SW education." --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 22:57, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I don't quite see how an increasingly thorough process of peer review is a pointless bureaucracy. The whole point of the status nomination pages is to ensure accuracy and quality of those articles. Currently only 56 of the 90,824 articles on Wookieepedia are undergoing the nomination process. The other 90,768, yes, we actively encourage you to fix mistakes you see, as you see them. All we ask is that for those few that are nominated articles, you provide the courtesy to the nominator of letting them fix the error themselves. If you don't want go through the formalities of making an objection, you can write on the user's talk page and inform them of the correction that needs to be made. That still gets the issue across, but doesn't step on people's toes in the process.  nayayen ★talk  23:16, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * That is bureaucracy as I understand the term: An editor having to go through another editor in order to act on something. In any case, that's how the place is run, end of story. I don't like it, but it's not up to me to decide how to run it. Still, because I feel we now shoulder a greater responsibility than before, I urge everyone to be ruthlessly scholastic; mistakes should be crushed underfoot promptly and without hassle. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 23:46, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Imperial family
Yeah, but it's fine. I just put Palpatine's mother and siblings back in the family tree. Also, I took out the line connecting Ederlathh to Cosinga since we do not actually know if she is related to the Emperor on his paternal or maternal side of the family. Yes, Ederlathh could be the granddaughter of both Cosinga and his wife, or just one of them. JRT2010 05:04, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * I believe she is mentioned as a "remote grandniece," so I think it's neither. "Remote" probably means that she is not the grandchild of one of Palpatine's siblings, but the grandchild of one of his cousins, a distant cousin like 3rd+. But seeing that you're handy with family trees, can you also separate Volpau? There are three ways I can think of he is Palpatine's third cousin: either through Cyrano de Palpatine, as we have it now, or through Palpatine's mother, or a third cousin by marriage. We don't know their exact relationship, and the tree, as it stands, is in error. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 09:05, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * "Remote" denotes her distant relation to Palpatine. Technically speaking, she is his "distant relative" (i.e. great-niece, or grand-niece, same thing). Also technically speaking, as his great-niece she would also have to be the granddaughter of a sibling of Palpatine's, not a distant cousin. A great-niece is the daughter of one's nephew or niece. This is, of course, assuming that her blood relationship with Palpatine is genuine. As for Volpau, I removed the line linking his side of the family to Palpatine's great-grandfather. I also added a footnote which explains how he is identified as Palpatine's third cousin in a canonical source, but beyond that, the relation between them remains unclear.JRT2010 10:02, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Just out of curiosity, then, what does one call the grandchildren of one's cousin if not grandnephews/nieces? --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 14:36, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * If I may intermeddle, the children of one's cousin are called "second cousins". The grandchildren of one's cousin are "second cousins once removed". (I'm meddling here because this question about Ederlatth puzzles me too.) LelalMekha 15:08, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying that. So, Ederlatth can indeed only be related to Palpatine through a brother or sister. In any case, the source implied that a "remote grand-niece" was Palpatine's only living relative, which is cool. No doubts about how the kid was orphaned with a great-uncle like that! --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 15:30, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * That's why I'm not to keen on the deletion of the "Palpatine's unknown sibling" article ; true, Dark Empire Sourcebook doesn't mention them, even indirectly. But if Ederlathh is indeed Palpatine's grandniece, then this person must have existed. By ther way, I made a mistake: the grandchildren of your cousin are your "first cousins twice removed"... (see this link). Sorry for being wrong in the first place, but I'm not native English speaker, you see. LelalMekha 16:06, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, that page has to go. The only thing it has for support is the mention of a "remote grand-niece" and that's far too slim. I think we shouldn't be that liberal with our sources -- if contradictions exist, we just point them out in the behind the scenes section. We don't need a Phooeye Duck ("") page. One of the siblings he murdered could have had children, or Ederlatth is not related to him, at least not as a grandniece. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 16:27, March 12, 2012 (UTC)
 * Just out of curiosity, where did you hear the name "Cyrano de Palpatine?"JRT2010 20:03, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * I just came up with it. Fear not, it's not canon. Yet. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 01:06, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Amusing still. Cyrano de Bergerac is a wonderful play, and Savinien Cyrano de Bergerac was a pleasing author. But, prithee, Cyrano was not foolish! ;-) LelalMekha 09:13, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * I know nothing of the real man. The Cyrano character in the play is a certain flavor of foolish, though -- perhaps I should have said brash, impulsive. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 14:00, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, yes, sometimes being brash may look overly foolish. But as long as it's done with panache, I'm fine with it, mon cher monsieur. ;-) The real man's plays are not easy to read, though, even for a Francophone - the humor is based on the weirdness and excessive complexity of the language. LelalMekha 16:37, March 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * Panache I understand. If only we had more Cyranos around. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 16:43, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Cyrano de Palpatine?
Hello. You've been mentioning a "Cyrano de Palpatine" several times lately. I was curious to know where this comes from. Could you enlighten me, please ? =) LelalMekha 18:30, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Came up with it. According to the Plagueis novel, Palpatine's great-grandfather was a foolish young idealist who got himself killed in a duel of honor. Don't mind my sense of humor (or lack thereof). --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 01:05, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Cosinga
Hi R5. I've noticed you doing a lot of work on Cosinga's article recently, so I thought I'd drop you a line and say you're doing a great job! Would you mind casting an eye over my most recent post on his talk page? I'm thinking of starting a CT thread about it, but thought I garner some general opinion first. Thanks for all your hard work! Jayden Matthews 16:53, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Some of my hard work was removed as fanon just today, and I have no heart to do any more. Thanks anyway. I was about to make pages for his mistress and her brother, but now I just don't feel like it. I like your idea. You should go ahead and make a formal proposal in the Moffship or whatever is needed to move it forward. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 17:14, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think a CT is needed for something like this. I don't see why that needed to be removed, something to the same effect is, and has been on Palpatine's article for as long as I can remeber. I was going to make the "Bon Tapola's opponent" page as well, so I might get on to that later. Don't be discouraged, though. You're doing well! Jayden Matthews 17:23, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * I've started a CT. Jayden Matthews 17:53, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Good job. I like the color. Now the hunt for appropriate characters begins. As for the etymology issue, it is indeed widespread practice to include etymologies outside of officially licenced works, so I am going to pursue the matter further. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 18:54, March 15, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I've done all the relevant characters in the "bureaucrat" category, as well as most of the "legal proffesionals". No doubt their are serveral thousand more that can use it, but I'll get to them in time. Also I've created the Bon Tapalo's opponent article. Just so we don't repeat ourselves. Jayden Matthews 16:06, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Good job on that page. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 16:13, March 16, 2012 (UTC)

Archiving
Hi, please note that you should have links to your archived talk pages on your current page; I could only find them myself via Special:PrefixIndex. As talk page archives are supposed to be a public record, not having them easily accessible defeats the point. Thank you,  nayayen ★talk  20:52, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I do provide links. Other than that, there is nothing I am willing to do. I presume I do reserve that right? --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 21:03, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's not a case of whether or not you are willing, the links as you have them now (superscript, background-coloured full-stops) are not easily accessible. I understand that you might want to hide them due to embarrassment regarding previous actions, but going out of your way to make things difficult for other users is not helpful. Please change them to normal text links. Thank you,  nayayen ★talk  22:22, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry if that is a problem for whatever reason, but, as I said before, there is nothing I am willing to do regarding the matter. But if my willingness does not factor into it, am I to assume you can force me? --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 22:43, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I can't personally force you, although per #5 under the blocking policy, purposefully hindering users would reasonably fall under disruption. Also bear in mind your attitude in the Senate Hall which no fewer than three users, including an administrator, took exception to. I don't see why common sense can't prevail in seeing that something like "1 i 2 3 4" is more helpful than your current "links". Thanks,  nayayen ★talk  23:27, March 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * And I should take exception to you doing what you just did, but hey, I guess I'm a large guy. A far more civil and indeed civilized option would be simply banning me, or blocking me or whatever it is, and leave it at that. Please don't pursue this any further. Thanks in advance. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 23:31, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Question
Hello, R5 (and the rest). I'm quite sad that things seem to get rough, here. But as a matter of fact, I like your panache, even if it my get detrimental to you. I'd like to ask something. As you can seen, I can kinly produce bad prose in English. My passive skills in the language are much better than my active skills - I seriously lack conversation practice, I fear. I used to be a B2 (upper intermediate) level, but I fear my skills have dramatically dwindled. This is what refrains me from trying to make lenghty phrases or articles here. Your own prose seems to fit the way I would write in French, and I wanted to ask you if we could have some kind of collaboration. I'm intending to make an article about the player character in Star Wars: Yoda's Challenge Activity Center, but I'm way too unsure of my prose. So I'd like to know if you could help me revise and rewrite it.LelalMekha 11:06, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * It flatters me that you would turn to me for this. Just do the first draft, and I'd be happy to do a second. Regrettably, I can offer no help with original work -- Star Wars: Yoda's Challenge Activity Center is not among my collection of children's Ep. I Starwarsiana. I assume you are referring to the redlinks in the article? By the way, if you think your conversational English isn't very good, you should hear me speak French! --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 11:28, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * The redlinks, yes. But I also intend to create an "unidentified new Jedi Jedi" article, as it is clear the player is an in-game IU character, just like the young droid builder in Star Wars: DroidWorks. With all the missions that are mentioned in the game, I think a respectable article can be made. (So you do speak French to some extent?)LelalMekha
 * Go ahead. Just drop me a word when you have a draft. Again, I'm sorry I can offer absolutely no help with the first stage of writing. (It cannot be said that I speak French; only that I comprehend some French. Apparently, the French Republic believes I know enough to display a 1er degré DELF on my wall. At this point, I beg to differ.) --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 11:41, March 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I'll try to make a first draft and then send it to you. (1er degré DELF, I see. I'm a French teacher, you see, so this gives a pretty clear indication on your actual level - though you seem to contest it). LelalMekha 11:53, March 18, 2012 (UTC)