Forum:CT Archive/Move Sith Emperor to Emperor Vitiate

Stemming from initial points outlined here: Talk:Sith_Emperor and as per the discussion that followed here: Featured_article_nominations/Sith_Emperor, I believe that the page Sith Emperor should be moved to Emperor Vitiate. I have refrained from paraphrasing the full arguments here (both for and against) from the relevant pages to avoid any potential bias. Please fully read both discussions linked above before casting your vote. I am happy to further outline my reasoning should any further clarification be needed. Rokkur Shen (talk) 04:14, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Support (move page to Emperor Vitiate)

 * 1) As nominator. Rokkur Shen (talk) 04:14, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Oppose (keep page as Sith Emperor)

 * 1) Per the reasons I outline below. Also, our naming policy says to use the name that characters are known as at the moment of their death, which is the Sith Emperor. The policy also says to use the most commonly known name if more than one name is applicable to the character, hence why Darth Caedus is not named Jacen Solo despite his being referred to as such in later works. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  04:17, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion & alternative options (move page to Tenebrae, Vitiate, etc.)
The following is a list of my reasons why the article should remain at its current title.
 * 1) The Emperor is referred to universally as the Sith Emperor in Star Wars: The Old Republic, which was released after Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan.
 * 2) The Codex of The Old Republic explicitly states in the entry "Galactic History 30: Rise of the Sith Emperor" that "No record of the Sith Emperor's original identity has survived, but he was quickly accepted as the leader of the almost-shattered Sith Empire."
 * 3) *Counter-argument: as the codex is written surrounding the timeframe of the game approximately 3,500 years has passed in-universe with which information surrounding his identity could have been discovered. Darth Plagueis novel is proof of this. Rokkur Shen (talk) 04:33, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4) While The Essential Reader's Companion does refer to him as "Emperor Vitiate" in the Dramatis Personae of The Old Republic: Revan, the book does not mention this title at all. The plot summary for the novel does not mention the name "Vitiate" once, and the Dramatis Personae for the book also erroneously identifies the Emperor as a Human.
 * 5) *As previously discussed given release date of The Essential Reader's Companion: further proof that this is how Lucasfilm is currently referring to him. Rokkur Shen (talk) 04:33, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 6) The Star Wars: The Old Republic Encyclopedia refers to him as the Sith Emperor throughout its entirety, only referring to him as Vitiate while describing his history before the Ritual of Nathema (when he became immortal). From the Timeline section's entry on 5,113 BBY: "The child who will become known as the Sith Emperor is born."
 * 7) Star Wars: The Old Republic: Annihilation, which is set after the Emperor's apparent death, does not refer to him as Vitiate a single time.
 * 8) Darth Plagueis is written from the perspective of a Sith Lord who has access to information and resources far beyond that of the rest of the galaxy, meaning that Plagueis could have discovered the name of Vitiate in his research into immortality.
 * 9) The Journal of Master Gnost-Dural, page 57: "I was stunned to discover that the original identity of the Emperor is unknown to his subjects. To the citizens of the Empire, the Emperor's life before his ascendancy is not worth contemplating. There is simply no record of it." This is part of Gnost-Dural's research into the Emperor's history, using the databases of an Imperial vessel.
 * 10) Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Praji, an in-universe article set in 104 ABY, refers to him as "the resurgent Sith Emperor." While this was published before Star Wars: The Old Republic: Revan revealed the name of Vitiate, it still overrides the Darth Plagueis mention in chronological terms.
 * 11) *As I outlined in the above linked discussions, this is a description of what he was, not a stating of his name per say. I therefore believe that this point is invalid in overriding Darth Plagueis in chronological terms. Rokkur Shen (talk) 04:33, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * 12) The Old Republic: Revan, which is the first to reveal the name Vitiate, does not use it again other than when referring to the Sith during his life before the Ritual.
 * 13) From the exact text of The Old Republic: Revan: "Their deaths also made him stronger than any Sith who had come before, and he ceased to be known as Lord Vitiate. On that day, the Emperor was truly born." Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  04:17, April 9, 2013 (UTC)