Forum:CT Archive/Official Wookieepedia Skin: Monobook

So, now that we've had some time to get used to hating the new skin, I have a proposal.

We can't set our skin default to anything other than the Wikiabomination, the insult to the Gallagher family (and I don't even like Oasis), the "new look" (said with the same degree of respect as the phrase "new Coke"). But as far as I can tell, there's no rule saying we can't make Monobook the official recommendation of the Wookieepedia community. And if there is one I didn't find, fuck 'em. Wikia brought rebellion upon themselves.

I propose the following:


 * 1) To the layout guide under the images heading, add the bullet point:
 * 2) *The formatting of a page under any skin other than Monobook is not a concern in the placement of images and may not be objected to on article status nominations.
 * 3) To the W template add the sentence:
 * 4) *For an optimal viewing experience, Wookieepedia recommends using the Monobook skin. For help changing your skin preferences, see Help:Skin.
 * 5) Placing similar recommendations on any appropriate help or policy page, as discussed below.

Any further ideas for eschewing the "new look" are welcome. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 19:35, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

Adopt

 * Darth Culator (Talk) 19:35, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1)  OLIOSTER  (talk) 19:37, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) 1358  (Talk) 19:41, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 19:41, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:48, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 *  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 19:58, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Green Tentacle (Talk) 20:05, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 20:05, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 20:18, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 20:27, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 20:38, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) Could not agree more strongly.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:04, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) Go consensus! NAYA   YEN   10:19, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 17:08, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * To counter JSarek's objection, we could just state on the main page or in the sitenotice (or by any other means) that the site is best viewed in the MonoBook skin, and that an account is required to view this. Tell 'em it's free and easy to make. If they really care about viewing the site, they'll make an account. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 17:30, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1)  QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 21:21, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 *  CC7567  (talk) 07:12, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1)  DarthRage Leave a message after the beep
 * 2) Frankly I preferred Monaco, but with its removal, this is the best alternative. Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith  -Just shy, not antisocial: You can talk to me!- 16:32, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)  Darth Karika  will destroy your planet! 16:48, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) This is my way at getting back at Sony for the NGE... a wholly inappropriate way.  DD97 Which bear is best? 22:06, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5)  JangFett  (Talk) 05:26, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

Do not adopt

 * 1) We need to make at least some effort to be appealing to unregistered users, or else they'll never be given reason to register and see how much better we are when a decent skin is in use. jSarek 02:18, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) While I hate the new skin and use Monobook myself, I think it would be unwise to completely disregard those who view this site as a quick reading material and source of quick background information. If we can find a way to at least make the Wikia standard layout look decent I say we should take the extra time and do it.  Agent Cards <> 10:26, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) *The problem here is that the image placement depends on content area width, which we are not allowed to adjust. We might be able to make the overall look decent, but expanding content width is a no-no according to Wikia's terms of use. 1358  (Talk) 13:20, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) **And all who has screen small enough faces the same thing with Monobook too, so pointing fingers at the new skin only isn't all-saving. But yes the new skin forces all anons to have narrow content space, which makes it valid point to be taken into account, if not highly weighted. –Tm_T (Talk) 13:36, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) I agree 100% with the proposal in principle, but we do need to be cognizant of anon or new users who haven't switched. Right now it reads that we're just not going to care at all, instead of simply optimizing for Monobook. This also precludes any other changes that Wikia might make, such as adding a new skin that is actually decent. Also, keep the wikilawyering elsewhere. That's why we have a discussion area. &mdash; Fiolli  14:31, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) After rethinking this, jSarek, Agent Cards, and Fiolli have a valid point that can't be overlooked. We do need to consider the casual reader who, without an account, doesn't have the option to use Monobook.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 16:47, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) Jinzler 17:12, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) I have been convinced that it's worth the time and effort to make this site look good in both skins. It may make things a little more difficult, but we can blame Wikia for that. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 17:21, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Adopt

 * Darth Culator (Talk) 19:35, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1)  OLIOSTER  (talk) 19:37, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) 1358  (Talk) 19:41, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 19:41, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:48, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) Though I should note that Step 3 on Help:Skin needs to be updated, as skin choices are now on the user profile tab under that avatar section instead of on their own skin tab in preferences. And don't forget MediaWiki:Welcome-message-user also; the last five edits to W haven't been put on MediaWiki:Welcome-message-user.  Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 19:58, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) Green Tentacle (Talk) 20:05, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 20:05, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 20:18, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 20:27, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10) Xicer9 atgar.svg( Combadge) 20:38, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11) Wikia has negative common sense.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:04, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 12) Absolutely. jSarek 02:18, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 13) —Xwing328 (Talk) 04:34, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 14) NAYA   YEN   10:19, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 15) Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 17:08, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 16) –Tm_T (Talk) 17:16, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 17)  MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 17:30, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 18) Put it in BOLD. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 21:21, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 *  CC7567  (talk) 07:12, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1)  Agent Cards <> 10:26, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Absolutely! &mdash; Fiolli  14:31, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)  DarthRage Leave a message after the beep
 * 4) Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith  -Just shy, not antisocial: You can talk to me!- 16:32, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) Harrumph!  DD97 Which bear is best? 22:07, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Regarding point 3, we really should have that warning (in a more abbreviated form, if possible) right on the Main Page, too. Possibly on *every* page, if we still have the power to do that in New Coke Look. jSarek 02:18, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * In overall, we should aim in page formatting and layouting to a style that works with wide and narrow views. I'm having 240px ... 1240 px range for content view depending on which device I'm on, and rarely seen any problems thus far, wouldn't mind having this written as recommendation. This is one reason why I'm not sure if point 1 in its current form is something I would support rightaway, as it suggests that only users with screens wide enough are "supported". (: –Tm_T (Talk) 17:15, November 10, 2010 (UTC)