Wookieepedia:WookieeProject Knights of the Old Republic/Log/Meeting05 2010-12-18

WP:KOTOR Meeting 5 was held 18th December 2010 23:00 UTC in the #WP:KOTOR IRC channel.

Attendance

Minutes
 * Welcoming new members: Qui-GonJinn, Olioster, Holocron, Brandon Rhea, Darth Lecan, and Master Fred (we shouldn't forget Holocron and especially Xd)
 * Following the discussion in Forum:Battle articles and Exiles adventures for the game related events, we include what can in the battle articles, only Sith Triumvirate duels of the Jedi Exile has their own article from Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords
 * As a followup for Forum:Citing dates in the Old Republic era, we collect source list for dates/events/other facts that cannot be derived direcly from their appearances, also improve year articles and alike while doing so.

Log
 * Timestamps are at UTC+2

01:07 < Jedi_Kasra> OK... welcome to Project Meeting #5. 01:07 <+DarthRage> YEEEEAAAAH! WOOOH!....sorry 01:08 < Nayayen> Let's do this thing 01:08 < Jedi_Kasra> Before we begin, I wanna say that it is unfortunate that our project leader, Cylka, is absent, and hopefully she will be able to resume her leadership duties soon. 01:08 <+DarthRage> Internet issues? hmm 01:10 < Jedi_Kasra> As leader in her absence, this meeting is taking place to talk about a few things... I wanna welcome Qui-GonJinn and Oli, Holocron, Brandon Rhea, Darth Lecan, and Master Fred to the project. 01:10 < Jedi_Kasra> Though the aforementioned members are not here, yet. 01:11 <+Tm_T> Fred said hi a bit earlier (: 01:11 <+DarthRage> Brandon works for wikia, so he might be working. 01:12 < Jedi_Kasra> Secondly, I believe in letting other members participate actively in the project, and displaying their proficiency. As such, the rest of tonight's meeting will be led by Tm_T, who has established himself as a dedicated member of WP:KOTOR. 01:12 < Jedi_Kasra> I now hand it off to you, Tm. 01:12 <+Tm_T> thank you 01:12 < Jedi_Kasra> Anytime. 01:13 <+Tm_T> soo, it's been relatively quiet autumn, so I wanted to raise two topics to bit more interactive discussion 01:13 < Jedi_Kasra> Cool. 01:13 <+Tm_T> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Battle_articles_and_Exiles_adventures 01:14 <+Tm_T> it's not clear how the events from the KOTOR games should be represented as battle articles, and for which encounters or duels should have their own article 01:15 <+Tm_T> just as an example: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Skirmish_aboard_the_Visionary 01:16 < Jedi_Kasra> That is tricky... 01:16 <+Tm_T> that article is currently collection of fights that are related and happens in the game in a row 01:16 < Nayayen> On the whole, I think anything that particularly leads into it should be included. 01:16 <+Tm_T> ye, I think all what is there now, should be in that article 01:16 < Jedi_Kasra> Certainly the Exile handing the Ubese's butts to them. 01:17 < Nayayen> In that specific case, it makes the prelude roughly the same size as the rest of the article. 01:17 <+Tm_T> what is not clear, if any parts what is there now, should be further detailed in separate article 01:17 < Jedi_Kasra> That could work... 01:18 <+Tm_T> Nayayen: indeed, and I did my best to keep the prelude as short as possible, so there's lots of details omitted 01:18 < Jedi_Kasra> "Mission to Nar Shaddaa"? 01:18 < Nayayen> Per Kasra, it doesn't really need to be only about the stuff on the /Visionary/ 01:18 <+Tm_T> I agree on that 01:19 < Nayayen> Sorry, in that the rest of it should be in the actual "battle" (or in this case, probably "mission") part of the article. Not Prelude. 01:20 <+DarthRage> In essence, you want to merge small battles that deal with the same event, into one article? Correct me if I am wrong 01:20 <+JethLordMaster> Personally I don't think we need a ton of separate articles 01:20 <+JethLordMaster> I'd support a comprehensive Mission to Nar Shaddaa article 01:20 <+Tm_T> DarthRage: currently they are one article 01:21 < Nayayen> This one is a bit more clear cut, and I think what Tm is getting at: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Dantooine_(First_Jedi_Purge) 01:21 <+Tm_T> yup 01:21 < Jedi_Kasra> Indeed. 01:22 <+Tm_T> the battle article has to be comprehensive, but should separate parts of the larger battle be further detailed in individual article? 01:22 <+DarthRage> This battle has many different choice opportunities. Fix the turrets; sabotage them. etc 01:22 <+Tm_T> or the battle article be as detailed as possible? 01:23 < Nayayen> I think detail the battle article more. 01:23 < Nayayen> The sort of splitting we're talking about here would be more suited to the whole Jedi Purge article IMO 01:23 < Nayayen> (which it has) 01:23 < Jedi_Kasra> That's true, Light-side is assumed, and 100% game completion is also assumed. Unless otherwise specified in a source, such as CSWE. 01:24 < Jedi_Kasra> All other options are listed in BTS, 01:24 < Jedi_Kasra> "." 01:24 <+Tm_T> so we try to avoid small fight articles and concentrate on the main battles and include what can into those? 01:25 < Jedi_Kasra> I think that's a good idea, yes. 01:25 < Nayayen> For the Visionary (or, Nar Shaddaa if we expand it like that), you'd be hard pressed to really have, say, the Twin Suns duel with Atton as a separate article. For example. 01:25 < Nayayen> So yeah, per Kasra. 01:25 < Jedi_Kasra> This might help, I've been working on this... http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Duel_on_the_Star_Forge 01:26 <+Tm_T> Jedi_Kasra: indeed, that is notable duel so separate article is warranted 01:26 <+DarthRage> Major events/battles with mentioning/info of smaller battles derived from it, basically. I am not dumb, I just want to make sure I understand the development. 01:27 < Jedi_Kasra> Yes, many have argues it should be merged with Battle of Rakata Prime, but it's clear now that it's a separate event, even other sourcebooks treat it as such. 01:27 <+Tm_T> in KOTOR there's notable duels only in the Ravager (Nihilius) and Malachor (Sion and Traya)? 01:29 < Nayayen> With the Ravager, the prelude would pretty much be the stuff with setting the charges before hand. It's the same sort of thing as the Star Forge duel 01:29 < Jedi_Kasra> The duels between Traya and Sion don't have their articles, though... 01:29 <+Tm_T> Jedi_Kasra: yet 01:29 < Jedi_Kasra> And the duel with Nihilus is treated as part of the battle of Telos IV, right? 01:29 <+Tm_T> Jedi_Kasra: ye 01:30 < Jedi_Kasra> Hmm... 01:31 <+Tm_T> as I'm planning to get these KOTOR2 battle articles into some reasonable shape as I tend to hear people asking links to Exile's fights often 01:31 < Jedi_Kasra> That's a good idea. 01:31 <+Tm_T> I'm trying to get some rough "project concensus" what would have an article and what not 01:32 <+Tm_T> so I don't have to say "it doesn 01:32 <+Tm_T> doesn't have" (: 01:32 <+Tm_T> this ought to help all the others too 01:33 < Jedi_Kasra> Yes. 01:34 < Nayayen> Anything more on this? 01:34 <+Tm_T> nothing but yes/no for separate articles for sith triumviate duels 01:34 < Jedi_Kasra> Hey guys, if I disconnect, it's because I need to find an outlet for my laptop... So you'll be in Tm's capable hands while I find one. 01:34 <+Tm_T> I'd say yes 01:35 < Jedi_Kasra> There needs to be something, I'd vote yes for Sith Triumvirate duels. 01:35 <+JethLordMaster> Yes 01:35 <+DarthRage> sounds good to me. 01:35 * Tm_T adds them to his todo 01:36 <+Tm_T> next item raised: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Citing_dates_in_the_Old_Republic_era 01:37 < Jedi_Kasra> I've been using the KotOR CG for that, for articles based on the game, such as Malak. 01:37 < Jedi_Kasra> Since it's go the timeline and all. :) 01:37 <+DarthRage> I just wanted to throw this out there, I am not editing as much as i did at one point, anymore. I will try to be on occasionally, but I have things to do, and life to live. I hope you guys understand. I am not quiting entirely, but am not editing as much. 01:38 < Jedi_Kasra> I understand, man... We all have lives, though you can make an argument that I don't. 01:38 <+Tm_T> DarthRage: it's ok, you do what you can and we're happy with it (: 01:39 < Jedi_Kasra> That's righ. 01:39 < Jedi_Kasra> "right" 01:39 <+Tm_T> per that discussion, I'm wondering if we should have some kind of common resource that we can use for checking what sources can be used to source what 01:39 <+Tm_T> or if this is even feasible 01:40 < Nayayen> We sort of do for the female Exile stuff on the main project page 01:40 <+Tm_T> (and we should do some work on sourcing the year articles related to us) 01:40 <+DarthRage> hmm. I don't know if it is possible, but it sounds like a good idea 01:40 < Jedi_Kasra> Agreed. 01:41 < Nayayen> I think a page for recommended sources for obscure-to-source common facts/events/dates/etc would be a good idea. 01:41 <+DarthRage> motion seconded 01:42 < Jedi_Kasra> Aye. 01:42 < Jedi_Kasra> And I'll (try to) be back. See ya soon! 01:42 -!- Jedi_Kasra has left #WP:KOTOR [] 01:42 <+Tm_T> every comic issue does have a year for their "current time" stated, right? 01:42 < Nayayen> Yeah, on the inside cover 01:43 < Nayayen> You can extrapolate a lot of dates for past events from that when it says "8 years ago..." or something like that 01:43 <+Tm_T> yup, so basicly we need a list of sources for dates that aren't directly stated in the appearance 01:44 < Nayayen> Just dates? 01:44 <+Tm_T> oh, for the other stuff too, yes 01:45 < Nayayen> That said, I can't think of anything else like that off the bat 01:46 <+Tm_T> well, contradictions could be one 01:47 < Nayayen> Trayus would be good at this, I'm sure Chatinque would be full of obscure references like that. 01:48 <+Tm_T> I'll set up a page and we'll see then what kind of stuff it collects over time (: 01:48 < Nayayen> *Chantique, rather 01:49 < Nayayen> Sounds good 01:50 -!- DarthRage|eating has joined #WP:KOTOR 01:50 -!- mode/#WP:KOTOR [+v DarthRage|eating] by ChanServ 01:50 <+Tm_T> soo, do we have something else? 01:51 <+JethLordMaster> there was the welcoming of new members 01:51 <+DarthRage|eating> stupid internet. Hang on 01:51 <+JethLordMaster> but none of them are here 01:51 <+JethLordMaster> so... 01:51 -!- DarthRage has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:51 -!- DarthRage|eating is now known as DarthRage 01:51 <+Tm_T> nothing you guys want to raise? 01:52 < Nayayen> Not for the meeting at least 01:52 <+JethLordMaster> Nothing I can think of 01:52 <+DarthRage> heh. Unless the newcomers are imaginary friends, I don't think we can do anything on that 01:53 <+Tm_T> Meeting closed, thank you all for participation (: