Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Tahiri Veila's grandfather


 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a good article nomination that was successful. Please do not modify it.

Tahiri Veila's grandfather

 * Nominated by: Tinwe 08:48, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Because the thought of making a GA out of a character mentioned in a throwaway line amuses me. :) See further comments below.

(3 ACs/3 Users/6 Total)
Support
 * 1) Nice one-shot.  Graestan ( Talk ) 14:16, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 14:15, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie  the truth  ) 03:13, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 4)  Grunny  ( Talk ) 07:58, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Looking good.  CC7567  (talk) 03:25, 1 May 2009 (UTC)
 * 6)  IFYLOFD  ( You will pay the price for your lack of vision! ) 01:45, 2 May 2009 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) You need to mention in the body that he was a Human male. There should be no info in the intro that is not in the main part of the article. --Eyrezer 09:36, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) *Addressed. I thought it would suffice that the gender and species were mentioned and sourced in the infobox, that's why I hadn't added them in the body. Thanks for the review! --Tinwe 10:46, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) The statement of "it is not known" should be avoided; it's a step OOU. Only state what is known; what you lay out in the next sentence.  Graestan ( Talk ) 03:37, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) *Addressed. Thank you for taking a look. :) --Tinwe 06:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 5) Soresu
 * 6) * I'm sorry, but I can't support this article until is placed in it. I understand that he is indeed Tahiri's grandfather, but that's what conjecture is for&mdash;when the subject has no canonical in-universe name. If you feel that the wording is innapropriate, feel free to bring it up in SH or CT. But until either is done, you'll have to do it our way.  SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie  the truth  ) 08:09, 23 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) **All right. I changed the template for the time being; my intention is indeed to bring this up on either of the forums, but right now I don't have the time or the energy to formulate a proper proposal. Thanks for taking the time to read the article. --Tinwe 15:55, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Comments
 * 1) No quotes, no relevant pictures. I guess an image of Tahiri could be added if someone wants, even though the article borders on having "too much Tahiri" as it is. :) In case we decide to have the image, which one would in your opinion be the best for the article? (See Category:Images of Tahiri Veila.)
 * 2) *Perhaps File:TahiriCon.jpg? --Eyrezer 09:36, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) **That is sort of what I had in mind also. :) I'll add it later if others support the inclusion of Tahiri's image. --Tinwe 10:46, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) I know the infobox doesn't necessarily have to be sourced if there is only one appearance. However, since there is information in the article from sources other than Anakin's Quest which is the character's sole appearance, I thought it best to source the infobox as well for the sake of clarity.
 * 5) *Actually, the infobox does need to be sourced if there are other references in the body, so you have done it correct here. --Eyrezer 09:36, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 6) **I suspected that might be the case, but I wasn't sure. Good to have it cleared up now. :) --Tinwe 10:46, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 7) Since someone will probably make a note of this, here's the reasoning for using the Nickname template instead of Conjecture: The article name is essentially not conjectural, not in a way, say, Vongerella is. It's a canon fact that the character is Tahiri's grandfather, so the name is not something from the top of my head (or "pure conjecture," as the Conjecture template puts it). While the Nickname template doesn't reflect this entirely accurately, it is better than Conjecture which more or less states that the article name is completely made up and doesn't reflect any canonical fact. Everyone's welcome to disagree, of course.
 * 8) *Well, in my opinion it is still conjectural. I mean "Tahiri Veila's grandfather" is not his real name, but it is not his nickname either. The fact that he was Tahiri's grandfather doesn't make it such. And if the title of the article is not his name or nickname, then it is conjectural. I will not ask you to change it though, since it is really a bit complicated, but you better consult other users. A possible solution would be to change the text of the nickname template(or the conjectural one) a bit. QuiGonJinn There's always a bigger fish. 20:27, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 9) **You have a point there, even though I still refuse to call the name conjectural in the sense the dictionary defines it, namely that it's based on a guess (because it's not :). Well, the "Articles that are known by a nickname" category is a subcategory of "Articles with conjectural titles" anyway. :P Changing the text of either of the templates might be a good fix. Thoughts? --Tinwe 06:59, 22 April 2009 (UTC)

That's it, I guess. :) --Tinwe 08:48, 21 April 2009 (UTC)