Talk:Imperial Palace/Legends

I request that a better image be used. -- Riffsyphon1024 15:59, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Do any exist? Kuralyov 16:02, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)


 * That one from TIE FIGHTER is the only I can recall. We may be able to get a slightly higher resolution version without text. --SparqMan 16:07, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * There's some old McQuarrie concept art of the proposed RotJ Imperial Palace, which is often used as the likeness of the canon version - Kwenn
 * [[Image:ImperialPalace-RalphMcQuarrie.jpg|thumb|300px|Ralph McQuarrie's original rendition of the Imperial Palace.]]You like this one? --Azizlight 16:25, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)


 * Is there a cleaner version available? --SparqMan 19:14, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I could live with this one. But which building is the Palace, the actual pyramid, or the one green one with the towers? --User:SFH
 * Although interesting, the game image has greater canonicity than a conceptual drawing. --SparqMan 20:12, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Except it appeared as the illustration for the Palace in The Illustrated Star Wars Universe, an in-universe, canon book. jSarek 21:09, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I read a little of that book in a store once. I'm sold. I vote we put it up. --User:SFH

Anyone got any clearup on the idea that the Imperial Palace is 500 Republica? But just for fun, here's a photomanip from the RotS trailer (kludged from several frames at the start of the cut with the transport heading towards the Senate), showing the only on-screen building close to the Senate that seems large enough to be the Palace... --McEwok 01:11, 13 Aug 2005 (UTC)

ROTJ
Is the Imperial Palace actually seen in ROTJ? -- SFH 20:36, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Nope. Kuralyov 20:41, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Then I shall remove it. -- SFH 20:46, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Appearance in "Two-Edged Sword"
This might just be an incorrect inference on my part, but while reading "Two-Edged Sword," the short story by Karen Traviss that appears in Insider 85, I noticed that the last section heading in the story labels the events the next few paragraphs as taking place at the Imperial Palace, on Coruscant. The location described in the text, as well as depicted in the corresponding illustration, corresponds precisely to the location seen at the very end of Attack of the Clones, where Palpatine and various members of his entourage are on a balcony observing clone trooper battalions boarding their Acclamator-class assault ships. If my assumption is true, then this would mean that the Imperial Palace does indeed appear (albeit partially} in one of the films. This may or may not also discredit Ralph McQuarrie's concept art of the building, since the one shown in AOTC isn't pyramidal in any sense. Does anybody have any information that can either prove or disprove my assumption? Anyone agree? I'm really curious as to whether or not this is true.--Knightfall 04:34, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * If I remember correctly, the Imperial Palace has been described as pyramidal since the Thrawn Trilogy. -- SFH 04:46, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Wait a minute, didn't Palpatine rebuild the entire palace during the Galactic Civil War? If that is so, then it could have appeared in both Episode II and this story. Admiral J. Nebulax 14:25, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Another source I read says that balcony was at the rear of the Senate Office Building - though there doesn't seem to be much room, since the back of that building overlooks the Senate Plaza - Kwenn
 * I extreme doubt it was in the Senate Office Building. The Imperial Palace&mdash;or what would later become the Imperial Palace&mdash;seems to be the best bet. Admiral J. Nebulax 14:48, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * So what's the consensus then? Should we put something in the behind the scenes section about the possibility of the "balcony building" seen at the end of AOTC being the building later known as the Imperial palace? Or should we wait until we have some more sources to back this up?--Knightfall 17:55, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I suggest we wait for some official confirmation. Could someone ask that on a blog at the OS? -- SFH 18:34, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. Admiral J. Nebulax 19:22, 11 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Of note, Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader sees Palpatine using the Imperial rehabilitation center in the month after RotS, though one character mentions he is planning to have a palace built for himself - Kwenn 13:19, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Interesting. But if that's the case, it wouldn't be the Imperial Palace. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:42, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * How long after Dark Lord is Two-Edged Sword set? It might still be possible - Kwenn 20:46, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, if it was the same place from Episode II, which it probably is, I doubt it's the palace. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:54, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, Purge confirms Palpatine still uses the Republic Executive Building - Kwenn 20:57, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess that's it. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:01, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Images
Okay, we seem to have a dispute as to which images should go where. If any were to be removed, I would recommend that we remove the picture of Amidala, since it shows nothing of the Imperial Palace's external design. -- SFH 23:48, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It would be nice to show some examples of interior design, though. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 23:49, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Granted. Either that, or we beef up the article so that there is enough room for all of them. However, I think we have filled it to the brim as it is, so that probably isn't possible. -- SFH 23:52, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

Height?
I removed the text Its tallest spires reached up into the lower levels of the atmosphere, since it's completely meaningless. A tiny hut on the ground, after all, reaches into the lower levels of the atmosphere! I suspect the writer of that sentence meant "the lower levels of the stratosphere" or something like that, which Wikipedia says is would be 15 to 18 km up. However, our article claims that the palace was only 3 km high, and was the tallest building on Coruscant. Is this accurate? (If it is, that must exclude skyhooks, if they reached down to the ground like space elevators.) So, what's the deal here? &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 00:01, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I was the one who put in the three kilometers, though I cannot remember where I heard that at this time. But remember, Coruscant's ground level was several kilometers above the actual ground itself. They built buildings atop old buildings. Remember, by the time of the Clone Wars, Coruscant's ground level is subjective to what you consider ground level. -- SFH 00:08, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Good point...it could be a 3 km building on top of 8 km of old buildings and a 5 km high mountain (it is close to the Manarai Mountains, after all. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 00:11, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * That's true. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:17, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
 * From what I remember reading about the Palace, it was the largest and tallest building on Coruscant, so the height is well worth noting. Only Xizor's and Vader's palaces were close to it's height. -Darth Trini.
 * Dark Lord has the EmPal SuRecon being the tallest building on Coruscant. But it also mentions a palace being built for Palpatine, which is strange because the Imperial Palace was already built. Maybe it meant that the Palace was being renovated for him. Kuralyov 00:48, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * He was probably ordering the expansion because he was annoyed that a mere hospital was taller than his palace, even if it was named after him. (Or maybe the EPSRC was part of the palace complex?) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 01:05, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I doubt that. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 01:57, 3 March 2006 (UTC
 * Yes the EmPal SuRecon building was the tallest building at the time. All new official sources state that the Imperial Palace wasn't built until the time of the Empire, so the whole Presidential Palace thing existing during EpI to III is either outdated info or fan fabricated. No offense to anyone who posted it.- Darth Trini.
 * And no offense to you, but you obviously don't know much about LFL canon policy. Kuralyov 03:58, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Enlighten me then, give me proof of your Presidential Palace excerpt from official sources. This is what I know about LFL canon policy, George Lucas himself has stated that the only true canon is the movie saga. Anything expanded Lucas himself does not take as canon. He leaves it as fodder to keep fan base satisfaction. As far as canonity, changing the movies themselves are edited numerous times which goes to show that past info can and will be changed according to George Lucas' will. And this opinion of Lucas' is sourced from the Jocasta Nu response threads some years back on the official Star Wars website. If old info is so reliable why does it always need discrediting and changing? I rest my case.- Darth Trini.
 * It was refered to as the Presidential Palace in Coruscant and the Core Worlds, but it was intuited that the original name was Presidential Palace as far back as the Thrawn trilogy, as can be confirmed by the Presidential Guest Floors. Also, you really should read the canon policy. -- SFH 19:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Darth Trini, come back after you've read it. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:25, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Gave it a read up but it still reiterates my point, only the films are absolute canon, therefore old Thrawn Trilogy info has become obsolete in the face of Dark Lord the novel which states the Emperor's considering building the Palace. This all boils down to opinion, in my opinion Presidential Palace is obsolete due to new publications from LucasFilm.(Relax I'm not petitioning to change it on this site) What's the point of giving me something to read when it does state in there that minor incosistencies do come up? Which is exactly what this is. It's like your proving my point, yet disagreeing. To believe in the Presidential Palace is to believe the older books versus the new, and yes I have read Dark Lord Rise of Darth Vader. - Darth Trini.
 * It was the Presidential Palace at once. And the Thrawn Trilogy is not "obsolete" as you claim. Your case is hopeless. Give it up. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 22:04, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Darth Trini, all opinions aside, don't you ever call the holy bible of the Expanded Universe obsolete again... -- SFH 22:18, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:27, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow, how it came to this I'll never know, this discussion has similarities with the First World War in the fact that both started for rather ridiculous reasons. Let me make myself clear, I really am not out for an argument. I do enjoy the Expanded Universe but do not take it all as canon because I believe what George Lucas believes, that his movies are canon and was never meant to continue past Ep VI. I'm not here to impede on your beliefs on whether or not expanded universe is canon, I simply brought my opinion to the table. The fact that I'm in the minority is to my disadvantage. We all love Star Wars we just look at the EU differently. I'm not lying when I say Lucas doesn't consider it canon, I've read this from many official sources; I do realize that he oversees EU and directs it but even he dosen't place that much faith into it. I liken this to an artist who paints a Masterpiece, the artist sees the work as complete and a story unto itself. While some observers see potential for more masterpieces to spring from it and create a mosaic or tapestry of art. Then believe it or not there ARE some observers who look at it from the artists' perspective where his original painting is complete, pure and perfect. I shouldn't and wouldn't 'Give it up' as you say because quite frankly no one can give up an opinion. My sincerest apologies if I've offended any of you but if you analyze my first post on this topic I think you will see I was not out for a fight. For some reason, no matter how polite I've tried to be, I get this tense feeling that I'm always under attack on this wiki.- Darth Trini.
 * Perhaps my comment was more than a little reactionary. I'm a little sensitive to criticism of the old Bantam novels, because I've developed this theory that Del Rey is attempting to retcon all the EU into a prelude to the NJO. It's a little paranoid, but you should check out how many innuendos say Grand Admiral Thrawn fought his campaign just to stop the Yuuzhan Vong. Still, I overreacted, and I apologize. But in the future, I would advise against calling the Thrawn Trilogy obsolete. -- SFH 01:35, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * "I do enjoy the Expanded Universe but do not take it all as canon because I believe what George Lucas believes, that his movies are canon and was never meant to continue past Ep VI". Wow, that sounds like SuperShadow talking. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 02:01, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * SFH I liked Thrawn, but never had the pleasure of reading any of the novels or comics. From what I read in the Essential Chronology I got the impression he was like the Napoleon of the Galactic Empire. Due to his military genius. The thing he did to fool entire planets that he could break their shields was a testament to that genius. I think the main reason I had personally stopped taking the Expanded Universe as canon was the return of Emperor Palpatine. Although it made for an excellent story, which I read and liked, I felt it made Darth Vader's redemption less poignant. 'cause if killing the Emperor brought balance to the force, then his return would make the Chosen One prophecy look like a quick fix. Again that's just my opinion and the genesis of why I stopped taking EU seriously, As you can probably tell Darth Vader is my favorite character and anything that lessens his coolness upsets me. BTW Jack Nebulax who is SuperShadow might I ask? - Darth Trini.
 * You've never heard of SuperShadow? I'm almost disappointed to make this link. -- SFH 05:52, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Checked it out, the word 'loser' comes to mind, a bit resentful to be compared to him. But I know of Lucas' opinion from the official Star Wars site and from a Star Wars Insider interview with Rick McCallum. BTW shouldn't the Star Wars Empire comic 'Betrayal' story have tons of visual imagery on the Imperial Palace. You would think with the myriad of members here that someone would own the comic and help us with imagery or info?
 * Well, you did say that GL doesn't think of anything beyond Episode VI is canon, did you not? SuperShadow said the same exact thing. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 12:37, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * True I do say that, but I think that's as far as my similarities with him go. I don't make stuff up and post it and pretend to know Lucas personally. Sounds like SuperShadow has a little too much time on his hands. -Darth Trini.
 * Exactly. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:33, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * You mentioned that you stopped taking it seriously after Dark Empire. I would like to point out that Lucas actually praised DE. However, we seem to have deviated from the central topic: the height of the Imperial Palace. the Imperial era has just started with the end of the prequels. We may learn some more information about the Palace in the time to come. -- SFH 21:36, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hopefully. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:38, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes I also mentioned somewhere above that I liked the DE story as well, its not like I hated it; its just that I personally couldn't accept something as canon that belittled Vader's sacrifice on Death Star II. I too look foward to something being mentioned about the height of the Imperial Palace. I think a problem does arise where Shadows of the Empire mentioned something about Xizor's, Vader's and Emperor's Palaces as being in the same league of height. And then mentioning that Xizor's Palace 'above Coruscant surface' height as being less than 100 floors, approx 70. Somewhat ludicrous when the buildings on Coruscant in the movies seemed to be well above 100 stories. Unless something fundamental changed about the Coruscant cityscape between Ep III and IV.(Maybe another layer of buildings were added. Don't quote me yet on the height of Xizor's Palace yet, I'll have to research it again and I'll be back with an answer. - Darth Trini.
 * Well, all of that could be a mistake, since we see Coruscant for the first time in Episode I. And when was Shadows of the Empire published anyway? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 01:03, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * 1996. Note that we also saw Coruscant in various comics earlier in the 1990s, and onscreen in 1997 for the special edition of ROTJ. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:03, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Found out that Xizor's Palace is 102 stories above 'ground' according to Shadows of the Empire. Still 102 is meaningless so it has to be a mistake. - Darth Trini
 * Yeah, that would make it comparable to the Empire State Building and other tall Earth skyscrapers, most of which are less than half a kilometer tall. Manhattan is hardly Coruscant. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:03, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Added an image of Xizor's Palace to the respective section. Can we have a link to add a Vader's Palace section? I have some info on it but no pic, I don't believe any pic was ever officially made. But unfortunately I don't know yet how to start a new topic. Also above someone mentioned that the Thrawn series image with the Padme painting wasn't good for an interior shot of the Palace. So I replaced it with a Shadows of the Empire interior which a lot more forboding, sinister and darker than the homely one before.- DarthTrini
 * Except that Image:Imppal.jpg was a picture of Padme Amidala on several other pages. I replaced it with your earlier upload, Image:ImperialPalaceInterior.jpg. -- SFH 02:50, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, still learning, thanks for fixing it for me.- DarthTrini.
 * Thank you for those years, Silly Dan. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 13:12, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Figured out how to make a new page so info on Vader's Palace is now up.- DarthTrini.
 * Thank you. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:09, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Got a chance to see the first Volume of the Star Wars Empire comic, I remember reading that the first story arc involved the Imperial Palace and that the Emperor's throne room was supposed to make an appearance. The truth is its only the interiors of 2 of the many throne rooms in the Palace. Never the exterior of the Palace. Such a disappointment. Overall there is no need to scan the images from that source as the throne rooms there are both not very good images of the Throne rooms or resemble Palpatine's Chancellor throne back in Episode II with red robed walls instead.-DarthTrini
 * Too bad. But then again, it really wouldn't matter, would it? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:40, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

Real World Similarity to Palace of the Soviets
The Palace of the Soviets (a gigantic skyscraper building proposed in the 30s) seems to me to be a possible real world connection to the Imperial Palace. Its structural similarity and monstorous height seem quite similar with the Palace in Star Wars.
 * [[Image:Palace-of-soviets.jpg |thumb|300px|The Palace of the Soviets looks similar to the Imperial Palace, especially in the midsection.]]


 * I suppose so... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Legacy Palace
I was happy to see the Palace mentioned in Legacy #2. I am curious as to whether it is a completely new palace or yet another repair/rebuild of the old Imperial Palace. I personally hope it is a repaired Imperial Palace. It was nice for Jan to include the Senate Building as well. Hell, after countless invasions and being shaped by the Vong, many of Coruscant's finest landmarks have stood the test of time. :-) AdmiralNick22 17:40, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Not all of them...I can almost perfectly picture the crater the Manarai Mountains made...Personally, I would image that the Bothans would probably make some sort of stink about rebuilding the Palace unless it was as a land mark for Fey'lya. But we should probably get some more info as Legacy of the Force goes on. Remember people: Prior to 1999, the Imperial Palace was the defining landmark of Coruscant. -- SFH 18:09, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait, the Palace was mentioned in Legacy 2? And I assume the Senate Building appearance you talked about was in Legacy 1, correct? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:08, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * True, not all are there. Monument Plaza is gone for good. But, some major are still around. We have a new or refurbished palace, the old Senate Building, and if you have Coruscant and the Core Worlds, it makes clear that several major buildings stood the conquest, including the Skydome Botanical gardens and several major spaceports. AdmiralNick22 16:16, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Nick, could you provide the quote in which the Palace is mentioned? I just let my friend borrow the issue. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:43, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Legacy #2- "The Jedi Temple on Coruscant has been rebuilt many times since the days of the Old Republic. Most lately by the Empire. It is now the Temple of the Sith. This, even more so than the Imperial Palace, is Darth krayt's seat of power." AdmiralNick22 21:45, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:23, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Senate
I just thought of something. Did the Imperial Senate meet at the Rotunda in the Senate Building or at the senate room in the Imperial Palace? (I'm not declaring anything, I'm just wondering because it was said that the Republic Senate used to convene at the Presidential Palace) Jedi Wolf 1:37, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Probably the Senate stayed in the Senate rotunda. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:21, 11 November 2006 (UTC)

New Republic "Slaughter"?
Just WHERE did this particular idiocy come from? Seriously, why would anyone even consider that a massacre like this would take place? As stated, there ISN'T ANY proof that such a slaughter took place.
 * Why don't you wait for a source before calling it fanon and removing it, anon? Just because you obviously think the New Republic was the greatest government ever doesn't mean such a massacre ever happened. After all, they did fight in battles against the Imperials before. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 13:47, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Wow. Way to Strawman there, moron. A) There is no canon statements within any book ever stating such a 'slaughter' took place, especially one against the 'innocent', as the fallacious statement claims. B) I never stated the NR was the greatest government ever, despite the fact you seem to worship on the Empire's cracked behind. C) Repeat after me: A Battle isn't a massacre. A massacre isn't battle. See the difference between terms there?
 * You're calling me a moron? Let's see if we can get an admin over here to deal with the vandal removing content from this article. Face it, anon. You have no proof that what you were removing is fanon. Now, leave. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 13:55, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Where's the proof stating that this actually OCCURED? WHY would NR soldiers kill every single man, woman, and child within the structure, when all evidence points to them NOT doing such things? Are you saying that in this one instance the NR turns away from being liberal towards blood thirsty animals? Mikal768
 * Until you provide a source that it's fanon, you're only vandalizing the article. And vandalism results in a ban. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 14:02, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm waiting to see what the source is that confirms this so-called 'slaughter', as I've looked through the SW databank, and the essential chronology and guess what? There is NOTHING in there concerning any such act. All they say is that Coruscant was taken shields intact with a minimum loss of life. mikal768
 * The burden is on you to confirm that it's fanon. Until then, it stays. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 14:06, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * As stated, there is no evidence supporting it. W/O evidence supporting it from all sources that can be found, then it's either a complete lie or fanon. Unless the original author can show evidence that it DID occur, then one must logically conclude it did not. mikal768
 * Provide it's fanon. It's been in the article until you came along, and no one has objected to it. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 14:11, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I've protected the page in its original state until this issue is resolved. I will remind everyone that there are no personal attacks permitted, and I will issue bans if I see any. Now somebody needs to provide a source saying that this so-called "slaughter" occurred or I will remove the reference myself. -- Darth Culator  (Talk)(Kills) 14:13, 15 February 2007 (UTC)