Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Paltr Carvin


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Paltr Carvin

 * Nominated by: Thefourdotelipsis 11:59, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: He's got gloves!

(5 Inqs/3 Users/8 Total)
Support
 * 1)  Greyman  @wikia ( Talk ) 00:58, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 11:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) -- Mitth'raw'nuruodo (Imperial HoloNet)[[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 14:46, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 17:50, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Lord Hydronium 09:46, 14 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 6)  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:04, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) Cavalier One ( Squadron channel ) 22:05, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
 * Image:Tribunemeeting.JPG and Image:Paltrcarvinfate.JPG could benefit from re-scans. --Imperialles 12:36, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) *Oh sure, 4dot, let it sound like his idea. :-p Anyway, did the first one, but the latter's a no-can-do, as her face goes into the spine. -- Ozzel 23:15, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) **Ozz has now replaced the second image. Thefourdotelipsis 01:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Stuff:
 * 4) * I think a bit about the situation immediately post-Endor merits inclusion. Okay, I know we don't explicitly know that Carvin was on the council before Mandatory Retirement, but a mention of how Isard became the middle (wo)man between the Council and Pestage, probably as well as Palpatine's death, carefully worded, would IMHO really improve the opening paragraph.
 * 5) **I have mentioned Palpatine's death there already, but what kind of detail are you looking for here? Just a brief mention of Isard's role post-Endor?
 * 6) ***I added a little bit myself. Feel free to alter or remove it if you don't like it. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 11:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) ****Ooh, yes, I like that. Good stuff, thanks. Thefourdotelipsis 11:35, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) * I'm no expert in this, but some sections seem at least a little play-by-play. A few things like "Isard calmly said that she understood" seem a bit over-detailed. See if you can cut it down wherever prudent.
 * 9) **I've removed that sentence altogether, but a lot of it is important, since it's a matter of who rules the galaxy. If you have any other specific examples, I'll see what I can do about them. Thefourdotelipsis 00:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) ***Looks okay. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 11:23, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) * Perhaps the image of Carvin on his knees would be a better replacement for the image in "Fall." There's something odd-looking about that one.
 * 12) **We have top men working on it.
 * 13) ***New image in there now. Thefourdotelipsis 01:03, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) **Great work. Interesting character. The Rise of Isard arc is definitely one of my favorite things in the EU. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 22:25, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) ***Danke. Thefourdotelipsis 00:31, 2 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 16) Has an unsourced succession box down the bottom. --Eyrezer 05:35, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 17) *Gah, someone added that while I wasn't looking. Removed. Thefourdotelipsis 05:57, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 18) From the Command Bridge of Director Thrawn.
 * 19) * No details of what Isard's proof actually was.
 * 20) **Added
 * 21) * No details with how Pestage specifically came to be deposed.
 * 22) **Well, he flees, they take control. The specifics of it end up delving into Isard's machinations, and that's too far removed from Carvin's story.
 * 23) ***Makes no mention of him actually escaping Imperial Center to Ciutric, nor does it specifically list what he and the rest of the Tribune tell her she specifically has to do on Imperial Center as opposed to going to Ciutric.
 * 24) ****The thing about him escaping is added, but they don't really task her with those specific things, they're just mocking her.
 * 25) * Needs some more elaboration with Isard's meetings with the Tribunal, not much but some.
 * 26) **It's as elaborated as can be. If I went any further with it, it would turn into a play-by-play.
 * 27) **I suppose I should have been more specific: Isard's actions with the Ciutric debacle, and the Tribune's reaction needs just a little more. It seems a little thin to me.
 * 28) ***It really can't be any fatter, and if I do expand it, it starts extending too far beyond Carvin's story.
 * 29) * If the IRC is part of the Empire, why is it listed as separate in the infobox.
 * 30) **It's not, it's staggered under the Empire's listing. Thefourdotelipsis 13:13, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 31) * More details on Carvin and the Tribune's specific feelings toward Isard's interferrance.
 * 32) *Other than that I suppose it looks good.-- Mitth'raw'nuruodo (Imperial HoloNet)[[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:33, 6 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 33) From the desk of Atarumaster88
 * 34) * For consistency's sake, refer to Isard by one or two different titles. You give her at least four and it gets confusing for those who don't know more about her.
 * 35) **What are these? I've got "director" "Isard" and...what? "Madame director?" I don't think that's too confusing, but it's gone. What's the other one?
 * 36) ***I recall seeing "director," "Director of Imperial Intelligence, "Madam Director" and "Intel Director".
 * 37) * You state that Carvin was the ruler of the Empire in the intro, but that's never corroborated; my understanding was that the Council ruled the Empire, not Carvin per se. Please clarify this.
 * 38) **Carvin headed the tribunal. I've put a mention of that in there...I thought I had already.
 * 39) * Also, just as "director" is a common noun unless preceding a name, "tribunal" should probably be de-capitalized.
 * 40) **Do you or do you not capitalize Emperor when refering to Palpatine?-- Mitth'raw'nuruodo (Imperial HoloNet)[[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 16:19, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 41) ***Do you capitalize prime minister without referring to Prime Minister Gordon Brown or president without referring to President George W. Bush? According to WP:MOS, it's generally discouraged to use capitals the way you do, but there are apparently exceptions, and "Emperor" is one of them. However, a quick check of Wikipedia and a few online news sources reveals that "tribunal" is certainly not capitalized and director when used by itself should not be capitalized. Director of Imperial Intelligence would be. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 21:16, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 42) ****OK, that's fixed. Thefourdotelipsis 02:00, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 43) *Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:11, 20 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 44) Toprawa:
 * 45) * You alternate between calling it the "council" and the "Ruling Council." I really don't care what you do, but stick with one for consistency: "Carvin surmised that the Ruling Council"
 * 46) **Opted for "council"
 * 47) * Please pipelink an appropriate article for these commandos: "Simultaneously, Republic commandos" Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:57, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 48) **Heh, didn't even realize they had an article. It's in there now. Thefourdotelipsis 23:42, 21 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 49) ***I didn't think something that specific existed either. :P Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:25, 22 June 2008 (UTC)

Motion to strike above objection by Imperialles
 * 1) Objection's been there for over a week, message was left on talk page. Thefourdotelipsis 08:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Lord Hydronium 09:06, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 10:13, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Once again, unattended objections must die. --  Darth Culator  (Talk) 22:46, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * 5)  Greyman ( Talk ) 01:17, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

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