Talk:Droideka/Legends

Where's the Shield?
How come none of the Destroyer Droids turn their shield on Geonosis (or in Episode II), but they turn them on every where else? In fact, they say Destroyer Droids are so deadly, even Jedi should beware, but before Obi-Wan capture San Hill on Muunilinst, Destroyer Droids came and didn't turn them on, there fore Obi-Wan destroyed them like they where nothing. Double D 23:16, 11 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, considering the WotC trading card game, the droideka series at Geonosis is a different series than the ones from TPM. Perhaps, some kinds of droidekas were used for special tasks, maybe some of them requiring no shields, thus converting that power into other neccisary systems. Just a guess. As for the Clone Wars series, well, not everything in the Clone Wars series is exactly up-to-par with the Galaxy far, far away. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:35, 11 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Probably because not all Droidekas have shield generators. Note that the ONLY destroyers with shields in the films were on the flagships of major figures (Viceroy Gunray and General Grievous respectively) and in the Theed Hangar to capture Queen Amidala. Any "infantry" droidekas (those on the ground at Naboo, at Geonosis, at Utapau etc) didn't have them or for some inexplicable reason didn't use them. The logical answer would be that not all droidekas have shield generators, only the elite squads.

I will continue putting "often' in front of "personal shield generators" because the films make it very clear that not all Droidekas have shield generators, regardless of what EU says.
 * Wrong. Just because they didn't use them does not mean that they didn't have them. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:28, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Give me a logical reason for them to not use their shield generators when in battle, against Jedi no less.
 * They are unable to move when they have the shields engaged, and it takes time to engage them, time that is better spent using their actual weapons. It's fairly simple. QuentinGeorge 01:24, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Plus, they are up against (at the time) Jedi without lightsabers. Therefore, stop messing with the article. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:48, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Ah yes, less than a second to engage them, that's waaaaay too much time. And oh, they can move with them, TPM and ROTS demonstrate this quite well.
 * They move very slowly with them. When they roll, the shields are disabled. QuentinGeorge 03:49, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)


 * they move very slowly in walking mode regardless of whether the shields are on or not. They can't fight at all when in ball config.There's no reason for them to be unfurled, ready to fight and not use their shield.--jerry

Jedi without lightsabers? Maybe you watched a different movie in which the 200 odd Jedi in the arena were saberless? They all had sabers. Messing with the page? I inserted one word and two commas that doesn't drastically change anything vital within the article. Hardly "messing with the page." --jerry 03:37, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Uhh...I suggest *you* watch the movie. Anakin and Obi-Wan were unarmed until they were *given* sabers. QuentinGeorge 03:49, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * SO What!?! Watch the Arena sequence if you don't know what I'm talking about! There are over 200 Jedi fighting with droids. ALL of the Droidekas we see do not have shields activated. When the Clones arrive we see shieldless Droidekas being blown up and fleeing the battle. If they have shields, why not activate them?--jerry
 * Might I state that you have surpassed your three reverts for the day. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:33, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * OK, here's how I see it: Battlefront, Republic Commando, and Battlefront II only show droidekas with shields. But that could easily be dismissed as a gameplay mechanic. The lack of shields in AotC and Clone Wars strongly implies that some of theme didn't have shields, per Jerry. I think we can resolve this with some weasel words, and a note in the Behind the Scenes section. Also, The New Essential Guide to Droids will hopefully resolve this. -LtNOWIS 08:23, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, here's an answer to why the droidekas didn't use their shields in AotC&mdash;when the Jedi had no lightsabers, they didn't need them. Also, when the Jedi did have lightsabers, the lightsabers were only used to deflect blaster fire. And when the gunships came, they just either blasted away at them or tried to roll away in the ball position. As for Clone Wars, it's an animated series. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:31, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)


 * I'd be happy with an addendum in the Behind the Scenes section (although I fail to see why "often" is unnacceptable, if anything it's generous. I doubt the NEGtD will say not all Droidekas have shields, the EU seems to be of the opinion that all droidekas do have shields. Besides, the EGs and NEGs are nototrious for repeating established errors and creating their own illogical material. --jerry


 * The Jedi were "only using the lightsabers to deflet blaster fire??" Uh, no. The fighting in the background clearly shows Jedi chopping droids to pieces with their sabers, not just deflecting blaster fire. Even if they were just deflecting fire, why should the Droidekas not have thier shields up? They are easily felled by blaster fire when unshielded (see the Battle of Naboo). --jerry 16:10, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, when the Jedi were outnumbered, they were only deflecting blaster fire. And the deflected blaster fire went about randomly, so there was no need for the droidekas to have their shields up. Admiral J. Nebulax 16:13, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * You ignore my post. When the Jedi were outnumbered in the arena we can see them chopping droids to tiny bits, so they were not only deflecting blaster fire. And I saw a number of Jedi deflecting bolts in a controlled manner, not just indiscriminantly deflecting them at random.--jerry

I'm not hardheaded. If you show me sufficient evidence I will concede the point. --jerry
 * As per when the gunships and clones arrived, you just reiterated what I said. Why should they just sit there and be blown up or run away if they can just turn on their shields? You're rationale here is making little sense.
 * No, it's making perfect sense. You just fail to see that they can have shields and not use them. Admiral J. Nebulax 16:13, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Again you ignore the body of my comment. Why should the droids just sit there and let the clones blow them up, and/or run away if they have shields?


 * In the ROTS novelisation, we're told that Droideka shields, when met with an obstacle, will simply ramp up the power to stop/disintigrate it. In the book, this comes in handy when the Hand's gravity screws up- the shields come in contact with walls and floor, and ramp up the power so much they blow out. Perhaps, then, the reason for not using them in battle situations is because they can be forced to blow out too easily? If the droid gets knocked over, the shield will go *poof*. Just a suggestion.--Fade 16:53, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * If it were that simple then why didn't Qui and Obi or Obi and Ani just Force Push the shielded Droidekas they encountered into the walls until they explode? It must more complicated than simple contact. --jerry


 * Anyway, until some canon source says one way or another, I suggest simply mentioning it in Behind the scenes. --Fade 16:53, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Even though I feel that it is self-evident in the films, I'd be happy with that. --jerry
 * Also, Jerycurl, you completely fail to see what I said. And as for having it in the "Behind the scenes", that will be the only place to see it. Admiral J. Nebulax 19:54, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Well why don't you enlighten me on what you are talking about? As I said, if you offer up sufficient evidence I'll concede the point. As it is, your evidence hasn't been much to stand on, unless I have grossly misinterpreted what you are saying. If I have, I apologize and request you to set the record straight.
 * I just want to point out that the Databank says: "The destroyer droid can completely envelope itself in a globe of protective energy via its compact deflector shield generators." in my opinion, that implies that all Droideka's can shield themselves. Sith Lord 20:18, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Exactly, which is why Jerrycurl's "..., often,..." is pointless. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:25, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Why do y'all seem to think that the Databank is the omniscient power that be which governs everything in the Star Wars Saga? It's simply a compilation of EU materials and new data written by the Admin for the Official Site. It generally has no more authority than any other EU source. It says that Droidekas all have shields because that's what EU sources say. EU's accuracy on this point is exactly what I am bringing into question. The movies strongly suggest that not all droidekas have shields. Nebulax has stated some reasons as to why these droids have them, but don't activate them. I refuted the points and all he says in reply is "you have completely failed to see what I've said" as if that fixes everything. If you have better evidence let me see it. --jerry