Wookieepedia:AC/Log/2017 September 23

[23:00:45] All right, welcome to AC Meeting 96, everybody! [23:00:53] woot woot [23:00:53]  o/ [23:00:55] I will be your host today. [23:00:56]  Howdy [23:01:01] Imperators around too? [23:01:15] *** Quits: Imperators (~chatzilla@wookieepedia/administrator/Imperators) (Read error: Connection reset by peer) [23:01:19]  D: [23:01:22] *** Joins: Imperators (~chatzilla@wookieepedia/administrator/Imperators) [23:01:22] *** ChanServ sets mode: +o Imperators [23:01:27]  :D [23:01:27] :D [23:01:47] We will start with the articles from last meeting. [23:01:58] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kallaarac [23:02:03] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7134433 [23:02:08] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Kallaarac [23:02:13]  I have a question about this one not related to the original probation reason [23:02:20] Hanzo made some updates. [23:02:26] Sure, go ahead. [23:02:34]  Should there not be an Equipment section detailing his cybernetics and whatever else he has, not limited to his bandolier, which isn't mentioned at all? [23:02:52] Yes, there should. [23:03:02]  I don't know if he uses any weapons, or what he might be holding in that picture, etc. [23:03:08]  Oh wow, yeah, definitely. [23:03:13]  It looks like arrows or something [23:03:30] that arm deserves its own section [23:04:01] All right, then my vote is to extend probation. [23:04:05]  Seconded [23:04:27]  Could there also be another image gotten for the body? [23:04:28]  extended probe [23:04:31]  I know Galaxies is dead [23:04:34] Hanzo's update covered everything from the original objections. [23:04:43] should http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookiee_Chieftain be linked and http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Wookiee_Chieftains added as well? [23:04:45]  extend the probe, and extend the cybernetic arm [23:04:59] I dunno how these Wookiee command structures work [23:05:02]  Looks like it, ecks [23:05:02] I didn't get very many images from Kashyyyk. [23:05:18]  Is it possible to go back and get images? [23:05:21] <Ratlin> I don't know how that works [23:05:46] <MasterFred> I can check the chieftain stuff, ecks. I believe I've written GANs about them. :P [23:05:52] <Imperators> also, it's minor, but the article is missing the imp era tag [23:06:00] thanks Fred [23:06:01] <Ratlin> Well, I mean, the article calls him a Wookiee tribal chief [23:06:13] <Ratlin> I doubt the exact parameters of a Wookiee chieftain is defined [23:06:16] <Ratlin> So I'd say it's ok [23:06:19] I'm not sure what the status is of the emulation project. [23:06:38] <Ratlin> List it in the extension reasons to get another image if at all possible [23:06:45] <Ratlin> But we won't hold it up for that [23:06:46] <MasterFred> Yeah, it's pretty much just every village has a chieftain, so I don't see why it wouldn't get the category/link. [23:07:16] Yeah, extend [23:07:19] Okay, so let's list all of our objections below for ease of paperwork: [23:07:42] - Equipment section should be added [23:07:42] Equipment section with cybernetics / bandolier / things he is holding [23:07:56] Another image if possible [23:07:58] and Wookiee Chieftain category and links [23:08:10] think that's it [23:08:20] <MasterFred> Yep, sounds like all of it. [23:08:31] Okay, Kallaarac probation extended. [23:08:44] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Magda_Keto [23:08:48] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7134430 [23:08:53] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Magda_Keto [23:09:04] Hanzo updated this for the one minor thing from the CSWE. [23:09:06] <Ratlin> I'd like to see another image used here for the Bio as well [23:09:10] <Ratlin> There's plenty of room [23:09:17] <Ratlin> (Keep in mind, I'm looking at this in Oasis) [23:09:27] <Ratlin> I'm assuming there's another image from that comic [23:09:28] per Ratlin [23:09:34] <Imperators> the intro should be split, too, then [23:09:40] <Ratlin> agreed, Imperators [23:09:46] <Ratlin> And there's a redirect in the referencing, FWIW [23:10:11] <MasterFred> I was thinking the same. It's from TOTJ, so finding another image shouldn't be difficult. [23:10:29] <Ratlin> The intro could probably be reduced in size, as a matter of fact [23:10:33] <MasterFred> Ew gross, redirects. [23:10:37] <Ratlin> It's nearly the same size as the Bio [23:10:38] <Imperators> there should be an occupation category [23:10:42] <Ratlin> Which is ridiculous for an article this size [23:10:52] Yeah, that intro is pretty long. [23:10:56] agreed on that as well [23:11:23] <Ratlin> If it was half its current size, that would probably be about right [23:11:59] <Ratlin> EJ's getting his hosting exercise today :P [23:12:06] Yep. [23:12:15] <Imperators> Republic is intro-exclusive [23:12:23] <MasterFred> How do we not have Category:Queens? [23:12:31] we have Royalty iirc [23:12:32] <Ratlin> The BBY date needs a reference like NEC [23:12:45] <Ratlin> BBY didn't even exist when TOTJ came out [23:12:56] <Imperators> oh yes [23:13:10] The person who has paperwork is going to hate this. [23:13:12] <Ratlin> The OOU reference system was "BSW4" [23:13:34] But this is good. [23:13:45] All right, I'm going to vote to extend probation. [23:13:54] Extend [23:14:00] <MasterFred> Yeah, same. Seems there's a lot left to do. [23:14:00] <Ratlin> Extend [23:14:17] <Imperators> disambiguation template needs to be worked on: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Magda [23:14:22] also, EJ, *you're* on paperwork as well [23:14:25] Probation extended for Magda Keto. [23:14:29] <MasterFred> XD [23:14:30] Oh yay. [23:14:32] <Ratlin> Magda Imperators is missing from that list :P [23:14:44] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Chankar_Kim [23:14:49] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7134442 [23:14:57] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Chankar_Kim [23:15:02] Imperators updated this. [23:15:15] <Ratlin> Looks good [23:15:20] <Ratlin> Date's got refs [23:15:22] <MasterFred> Then let's pick it to shreds. :P [23:15:24] Yeah, nothing to complain about here [23:15:49] what kind of name is "Tallisibeth Enwandung-Esterhazy"? [23:15:58] <MasterFred> Dang, nothing. [23:16:23] It looks like everything was covered. [23:16:27] <MasterFred> Keep [23:16:42] <Ratlin> Keep [23:16:48] <Imperators> keep [23:16:57] keep [23:17:04] Keep [23:17:10] Chankar Kim kept. [23:17:16] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Saras_Loorne [23:17:20] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7134445 [23:17:24] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Saras_Loorne [23:17:34] " BEFORE . [23:17:34] DIE [23:17:36] <Ratlin> oman, reffed dates [23:17:38] Imperators updated this. [23:17:40] <Ratlin> I'm gettin excited over here [23:18:19] Update looks good. [23:18:35] <Ratlin> Keep [23:18:40] Keep [23:18:41] <MasterFred> Keep [23:18:42] <Imperators> yeah, the misspelling was the only thing I got from the entry [23:18:46] <Imperators> keep [23:18:52] keep [23:18:58] <MasterFred> hahaha way to go CSWE [23:19:29] Saras Loorne kept. [23:19:35] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Melida/Daan_Unified_Congress_Building [23:19:36] quotation marks go before periods even when you're quoting a proper name, right? [23:19:40] er, after* [23:19:47] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7134439 [23:19:52] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Melida/Daan_Unified_Congress_Building [23:20:01] <Ratlin> Where is that, ecks? [23:20:10] Imperators updated this. [23:20:14] albeit he was mistakenly named "Sares Loorne".[3] [23:20:30] <Ratlin> I was always taught to put punctuation inside of quotes except for semi-colons [23:20:38] <Ratlin> So I would put the period inside [23:20:55] <Imperators> ah, yes, my mistake [23:21:07] <MasterFred> tsk tsk [23:21:16] <Ratlin> For Melida/Daan, the 44 BBY date needs one of those references or something [23:21:20] <Ratlin> Right now it's hanging in the breeze [23:21:33] <Ratlin> In the Characteristics, that is [23:21:39] <Ratlin> The first one is reffed, the second isn' [23:21:40] <Ratlin> t [23:21:44] <Imperators> oh, damn [23:21:46] Yeah. [23:22:35] <Imperators> fixed [23:22:52] good boy [23:22:55] it's a keep from me [23:22:57] <Ratlin> Keep [23:23:12] <MasterFred> keep [23:23:17] <Imperators> keep [23:23:23] Keep [23:23:25] <Ratlin> You know, something else [23:23:27] <Ratlin> Very minor [23:23:40] <Ratlin> The Characteristics should be named Description and should go before History [23:23:52] <Ratlin> I don't think we have a LG format for general locations or buildings, but this matches what we do have for other subjects [23:24:14] <Ratlin> I don't know why that would ever go after History [23:24:19] <MasterFred> Hmmm, make it match other locations like planets and moons. [23:24:34] <Ratlin> That would require some link cleaning up and making some little textual changes [23:24:39] <Ratlin> Sorry to drop this on us [23:24:47] <Imperators> well, then the article needs a rewrite [23:24:51] <Ratlin> Yeah [23:24:53] <Ratlin> I think it should [23:24:56] <MasterFred> I'll need to check my location status articles after the meeting. ;P [23:25:00] <Imperators> the whole Zehava, Melida/Daan thing should go there [23:25:06] <Ratlin> Yeah [23:26:01] Okay, then I will undo my adjustments. [23:26:16] <Ratlin> Sorry :P [23:26:26] No problem. [23:26:56] Extend for restructuring then. [23:27:00] extend [23:27:02] <MasterFred> Extended refurbishment [23:27:04] <Ratlin> Extend [23:27:07] <Imperators> extend [23:27:18] Melida/Daan thing extended. [23:27:27] <Imperators> heh [23:27:33] we need more codified LG formats [23:27:38] <Ratlin> Yes [23:27:53] <MasterFred> Especially OOU. [23:27:56] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ashii_Nermani [23:28:00] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7134447 [23:28:05] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Ashii_Nermani [23:28:07] <Ratlin> The 0 ABY date [23:28:11] <Ratlin> WEG never used BBY/ABY [23:28:15] <Ratlin> It did use GrS dating [23:28:26] <Ratlin> I don't know what this source says to provide the 0 ABY date, but it needs a note [23:28:47] In this case, I believe the source said around the time of Episode IV in the introduction. [23:28:49] She had decent eyeliner. [23:29:03] <Ratlin> So who knows if it's even 0 ABY for sure? [23:29:15] <Ratlin> It sounds like maybe it should say "circa 0 ABY" at best [23:29:20] <Ratlin> At any rate, it should be looked into [23:29:27] Yeah, it needs further investigation. [23:29:55] <MasterFred> Well, I'll be looking over The Far Orbit Project pretty extensively for tangle gun, so I can take a peek. haha [23:30:10] <Ratlin> Whoever wants to [23:30:15] extend [23:30:15] <Ratlin> I think that's all I've got [23:30:19] <Ratlin> Extend [23:30:23] <MasterFred> Extend [23:30:30] It says that the article was part of a plot to draw out Captain Dhas Vedij and the Far Orbit in the CSWE. [23:30:54] Does the article currently state that? [23:31:09] <Ratlin> Wait, the article was part of a plot? [23:31:12] <Ratlin> You mean Nermani? [23:31:26] The newsfeed article she posted. [23:31:44] Or appeared on, I guess. [23:32:08] <Ratlin> It does not mention Vedij [23:32:11] <Ratlin> The article [23:32:30] <Imperators> also, BTS should be sourced [23:32:32] <MasterFred> Yeah, mentions drawing out Far Orbit, but not the Captain. [23:33:02] <MasterFred> ewwwwww non-references Bts [23:33:06] As a note, this is a long sentence: [23:33:08] "That year,[1] Nermani was the first to break the story that Venslas Beeli was a privateer working for the Alliance[2] in a report on the attacks that a group of Alliance terrorists and pirates, led by Captain Beeli, were carrying out on innocent civilians in the Core Worlds' Ringali Shell; the group, a captured pirate band known as the Solar Terrors, was actually forced by the Imperials to commit the crimes, [23:33:08] as the Imperials wanted to draw out the Far Orbit, an Alliance privateering frigate." [23:33:09] <MasterFred> *referenced [23:33:18] <Ratlin> Add it to the extension reasons :P [23:33:30] That needs to be broken up. [23:33:36] <Imperators> agree with EJ [23:33:36] <MasterFred> What are periods? [23:34:18] All right, with that said, I am voting to extend probation per the above reasons. [23:34:25] <Ratlin> Extend for all [23:34:25] <MasterFred> Extend [23:34:34] extend [23:34:37] <Imperators> extend [23:35:03] Extending probation on Ashii Nermani. [23:35:15] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vess_Kogo [23:35:19] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7134449 [23:35:22] finally an easy one [23:35:23] <Ratlin> I have two things [23:35:24] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Vess_Kogo [23:35:26] No change, KILL [23:35:32] <MasterFred> kill [23:35:37] <Ratlin> Oh [23:35:39] <Ratlin> I thought it was fixed [23:35:41] <Ratlin> Nevermind :P [23:35:42] <Ratlin> Killi t [23:35:42] Nope. [23:35:50] <Imperators> kill [23:35:50] KILL! KILL! KILL! [23:36:02] <Ratlin> Ah, that sweet satisfaction of article death :P [23:36:07] Vess Kogo killed. [23:36:25] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Funeral_of_Anakin_Skywalker [23:36:29] http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7134452 [23:36:33] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Funeral_of_Anakin_Skywalker [23:36:39] Somebody did something... [23:36:43] <MasterFred> AV says he fixed it. [23:36:49] <Ratlin> Wait [23:37:04] <Ratlin> Someone has since added this Star Wars LINE Webtoon [23:37:11] <Ratlin> A) I'd like to know what makes it non-canon exactly [23:37:24] <Ratlin> I feel like we're way too hasty to declare things non-canon because we think they're silly or something [23:37:36] Yeah. [23:37:37] <Ratlin> B) I'd like to know if there's any information that needs to be added from it [23:37:41] <Ratlin> B)* [23:37:53] ↑ TwitterLogo @jenniferheddle (Jennifer Heddle) on Twitter. “It is approved but its canon status is grey area. We gave them leeway for cultural interpretation” (screenshot) [23:38:08] <Ratlin> See, I wouldn't say that makes it non-canon [23:38:14] <Ratlin> I would still list in the Appearances [23:38:27] <Ratlin> They have leeway for cultural intepretation [23:38:27] Yeah, I would agree. [23:38:38] <Ratlin> Which sounds to me like it's canon unless teh Story Group says something isn't [23:38:51] <MasterFred> One of those "info is only non-canon if it contradicts a canon source" things. [23:39:07] <Ratlin> Right, which it shouldn't in this case [23:39:23] <MasterFred> Yeah, I'd say it's canon here. Might need a look-over for new info, though. [23:39:37] I thought the idea to start from scratch with NuCanon was to have one cohesive storyline with no grey areas 8) [23:40:11] How naive of you. [23:40:16] <Ratlin> Something else: [23:40:24] <Ratlin> Canon has been quite adamant in not capitalizing the term "rebel" [23:40:34] <Ratlin> This article should follow suit [23:41:02] <MasterFred> Ah, yes. [23:41:36] even the Databank can't pick a consistent capitalization [23:41:48] All right, if there is nothing else, I am going to vote extend. [23:41:52] <Ratlin> Extend [23:41:54] extend [23:41:56] <MasterFred> extend [23:41:58] <Imperators> extend [23:42:12] Funeral of Anakin Skywalker extended. [23:42:24] On to new articles... [23:42:32] Nothing on the page, checking maintenance bin... [23:42:54] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Nazzar [23:43:01] Needs an update for the CSWE. [23:43:07] <Ratlin> All those dates need refs [23:43:16] <MasterFred> Also redirects. [23:43:22] Nazzar in the galaxy should probably be subsectioned. [23:43:25] <Ratlin> Ref 6 needs to use CSWECite [23:43:29] let's massacre this before probing it so that we don't have to extend it next time [23:43:40] Improper image caption punctuation [23:43:48] <Ratlin> There's no reason why Knight Errant needs to ref a chapter in Ref 11 [23:43:55] <Ratlin> per ecks [23:44:13] <Ratlin> I find Ref 3...lazy [23:44:19] I see two consecutive [4] references in Biology and appearance, needs to be checked [23:44:20] <Ratlin> I'd like to see it cite what specific examples are from those sources [23:44:23] <Imperators> haha [23:44:26] er, in Society and culture [23:44:45] <Ratlin> Members in the infobox should list by bullets [23:45:00] <Imperators> YES! non-functioning backup link! [23:45:12] The members list isn't complete either. [23:45:21] <MasterFred> Wow... [23:45:30] their homeworld has context in the intro but isn't even linked in the body [23:45:46] <Ratlin> There's at least one inconsistent use of whether it's "the Nazzar" or just "Nazzar" [23:45:52] <Ratlin> That should be uniform [23:45:58] <Imperators> Appearances should list individual comic issues, not story arcs [23:46:37] you can tell it's from 2008 :P [23:46:39] <Ratlin> I think that's good :P [23:46:56] All right, probe for all the reasons. [23:46:56] <MasterFred> I was just checking the year this was passed. haha [23:46:57] <Imperators> redundant categorization [23:47:08] <Ratlin> Probe [23:47:10] <MasterFred> Hardcore probe [23:47:10] Probe [23:47:21] <Imperators> kill already [23:47:22] <Imperators> probe [23:47:27] Nazzar probed. [23:47:35] http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dillan [23:47:40] No references. [23:47:47] <Imperators> oh my god [23:47:49] <Ratlin> NO REFERENCES [23:47:51] <Ratlin> WUUUTTTTTTT [23:47:57] The 3954 BBY date is wrong. [23:48:01] Underlinking issues [23:48:02] <Imperators> lol [23:48:13] Hair color etc is infobox-exclusive [23:48:14] <MasterFred> ewwwwwwww [23:48:15] <Ratlin> That body image placement looks absurd in Oasis [23:48:25] <Ratlin> It should be below the Quote, at the very least [23:48:28] There should be an equipment section per the image in the body. [23:48:48] She has the miltia uniform and a blaster pistol. [23:48:51] "Dillan's only appearance in Star Wars canon has been" is a bit... questionable phrasing [23:48:51] <Ratlin> ^ [23:48:53] *Militia [23:49:17] <MasterFred> Another gem from 2008 [23:49:17] <Ratlin> per ecks -- all instances of that should be changed now that Legends has been discontinued [23:49:38] This is also a 2008 GA [23:49:40] <Ratlin> Like, there's no reason to say for a Legends article that something's "first appearance" came in [source] if it's the only appearance [23:49:50] we should just make all pre-2009 GAs go through the process again [23:49:56] "The Human female Dillan lived on Dantooine her entire life." [23:50:01] I question this. [23:50:03] <Ratlin> XD [23:50:05] <Ratlin> I do too [23:50:11] She may have lived there up to the point of the game. [23:50:12] <Ratlin> And I've never played this [23:50:27] I don't remember though. [23:50:34] And who knows what happened afterwards. [23:50:36] <Ratlin> Make 'em check and confirm it [23:50:39] Honestly, someone with too much free time should go through all pre-2009 GAs before the next meeting [23:50:44] I nominate Frd [23:50:51] <Ratlin> Furd [23:50:51] *** MasterFred is now known as Fred|work [23:50:55] <Fred|work> sorry can't :P [23:50:57] There are a lot of POV statements in this one. [23:51:06] Stuff that seems off. [23:51:14] *** Fred|work is now known as MasterFred [23:51:20] Like most survivors of the short but brutal occupation that followed, Dillan became jaded in her views not only of the Jedi, but of the Galactic Republic itself. [23:51:29] She received firsthand experience with the planet's rocky history since the start of the Mandalorian Wars. [23:51:31] <Imperators> probe probe probe probe probe [23:51:41] Probe [23:51:46] <Ratlin> Probe [23:51:49] Probe [23:51:50] <MasterFred> Probe the crap out of this. [23:51:54] <Imperators> should be grassy history, lol [23:51:59] <Ratlin> heh [23:52:00] Dillan probed. [23:52:07] <Ratlin> I think that's it [23:52:10] Does anyone have anything else? [23:52:16] <Ratlin> No, we've been here too long already :P [23:52:28] All right, onto meeting duties... [23:52:30] Yeah, nothing from me [23:52:31] <MasterFred> Yeah, the fun has come and gone and I'm out of Pepsi. [23:52:40] <Imperators> wow, that hour went by fast [23:52:41] As ecks said, I am on paperwork... [23:52:44] Yay. [23:52:48] <MasterFred> I'm drinking melted ice now [23:52:50] <Ratlin> If you need help, EJ, let me know [23:52:55] <Ratlin> I know it's a lot [23:52:58] And Fred is responsible for scheduling Meeting 97. [23:53:07] <Ratlin> Thanks for hosting, EJ. Good work. [23:53:08] <Imperators> frdMoot [23:53:16] <MasterFred> \o/ [23:53:17] I should be able to do it. As long as I am not doing the Inq Paperwork too. [23:53:18] <Imperators> yeah, thanks, EJ [23:53:22] good job