Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Weebacca

Weebacca

 * Nominated by: MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 18:20, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Decided I'd better hurry before the end of May. It's my first IU nom, so be nice. :)

Support

 * 1) I remember this guy from the game, and with all the things that you have fixed, I think this now deserves to be a good article.-- Exiled Jedi Greetings 12:18, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) ~  Savage  BOB sig.png 05:02, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

Ecks Dee

 * For starters, his death date isn't mentioned outside the infobox. 1358  (Talk)  18:25, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Doh! Sorry. Fixed. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 18:31, May 10, 2011 (UTC)

The Exiled One

 * You need to include all of the infobox information in the main article. -- Exiled Jedi Greetings 19:11, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, other than the fact that he was male (which should be obvious saying I used masculine pronouns), everything is included. I added "male," but other than that, I don't know what you are talking about. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 20:31, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, I missed the part where you said that he had brown fur and brown eyes.-- Exiled Jedi Greetings 20:36, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's all good. :) Thanks for the review. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 01:17, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

There's something not right about that

 * In the intro, you say that he fought for the planet's defense, but then you say he was a traitor, so he wasn't really fighting for the planet's defense. This could be reworded a little.
 * Fixed
 * No link for the invasion mentioned in the intro?
 * Linked
 * "Weebacca was a longtime childhood friend of Chewbacca. The two were never cross, no matter what situation Weebacca had gotten himself into." Two things: a) You mean to say that neither Weebacca nor Chewbacca had ever been angry in their entire lives? Reword please, and b)Do you mean to say that Weebacca got into trouble alot? Should be mentioned.
 * Actually yes. The entry in the Galactic Battlegrouns Databank says they were never cross. And I fixed b.
 * Hmm, then what I think the Databank might mean then is that they were never cross at each other. I mean, it's not like they were devoid of emotion or anything.
 * I see what you're saying now. Fixed. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 13:10, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * "The Wookiee was always in need of some credits and had a love for the game of sabacc, and so it wasn't long before Weebacca got into smuggling."Right now, the sentence implies that anyone who enjoyed playing sabacc would eventually become a smuggler. Should be reworded.
 * Fixed
 * '"Before the city, they found Weebacca destroying a Trandoshan building." I'm assuming you meant "before they reached'' the city", or do you mean something else?
 * Fixed
 * "Despite this apparent common enemy, Han Solo was very uneasy seeing a lone Wookiee unharmed; these suspicions were to be justified by Weebacca's subsequent actions." I don't really understand this sentence. Why wouldn't Han want to see an unharmed Wookiee?
 * Better?
 * Worded much better, but the fact itself is still kinda confusing. Why would seeing a healthy, uninjured Wookiee make Han uneasy? Shouldn't it be the opposite? Wait, he likes Wookiees, doesn't he?
 * I think it was because all the other Wookiees had been slaughtered. idk It's just what the game says. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 13:14, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * We should still try to find something different from "uneasy". I dunno, maybe you could just say that Weebacca caught his attention.
 * Better? MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 00:47, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * "They realized that the Imperials had installed three jammers which prevented them from communicating." How?
 * And now the wheels turn on you. :P I don't understand your objection. They're jammers. That's what they do.
 * Eh, sorry, that's my fault. I meant how they realized the jammers were there. Did they do a search of the Tree or something?
 * Weebacca told them. It's not really clear how he knew. Maybe it was because he was a double agent, or maybe because he had been there long enough to see them, but that's all speculation. IIRC, the game just indicates that Weebacca knows where they are, not how he knows. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 13:10, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * "The Rebels managed to escape the trap by cutting trees to form a back route and reach the river to Chenachochan" Is Chenachochan another city, or a Wookiee? Context please.
 * Fixed
 * "Weebacca was later seen when the Wookiees destroyed Darcc's palace" Who, or what, is Darcc? Again, context.
 * Fixed
 * "He is a hero for the Wookiee faction" More of a question than an objection, but could you maybe explain what a "hero" is?
 * Fixed
 * Overall, you could definitely combine some of the mini-paragraphs into actual-paragraphs, to make the article seem a little less cluttered.
 * Better?
 * Yes, but not as much as it could be. Right now, the text looks like one big brick, which is better than twenty tiny bricks, but the optimal option is to have, for a body this size, I dunno, 2-3 paragraphs. Of course, you know the info better than me, just separate the info how you see fit. Remember that the function of paragraphs are to mark a pause, setting a certain piece of info apart from those around it. So, just separate it based on what you are trying to convey. Maybe one before the invasion, and one during, or something. You did great on the other objections, just a little more! Bonslywizard  Naboo.svg ( Send a transmission ) 02:24, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Bah! I know what paragraphs do. :P Just forgot to separate two of them. Should be fixed. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 13:10, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry, got a little carried away there... -_- Bonslywizard  Naboo.svg ( Send a transmission ) 21:22, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll have another look when these are addressed. Welcome to the real GAN page, Fred. :P Bonslywizard  Naboo.svg ( Send a transmission ) 22:20, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Shut it, Slime ball! :P Music GANs are legit! Thanks for the review, btw. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 01:15, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * "Later, Weebacca was caught trying to escape the planet with Moff Darcc and Trandoshan slaver Pekt, the Empire's two leaders in the invasion, in an Imperial shuttle after the Wookiees destroyed Darcc's palace. Chewbacca killed Weebacca in a duel while Darcc and Pekt managed to escape." This last sentence seems to come outta nowhere. You haven't stated that Chewbacca was even around when Weebacca tried to escape. You should at least mention that Chewbacca noticed him trying to get away. Bonslywizard  Naboo.svg ( Send a transmission ) 23:11, May 18, 2011 (UTC)

The Premier

 * 1) Hello there! I have some preliminaries:
 * Intro needs to be expanded a bit (and there's a grammar error in the second sentence).
 * Fixed the grammar mistake. Is that enough expansion?
 * Yep. Corellian PremierRobotech.jpg along the watchtower 17:13, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Context on Darc's Palace.
 * Added
 * Well, not exactly. Perhaps listing the sector is too much. I was looking for something more along the lines of city or why it was important. Sorry for the confusion. Corellian PremierRobotech.jpg along the watchtower 17:13, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Gotcha. Better? MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 17:24, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * Perfect. Corellian PremierRobotech.jpg along the watchtower 03:05, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * "Hardly trustworthy." Is that stated in the game or OR?
 * That's what it says in the game's databank.
 * 1) Another thing: Is it necessary to protect him in the early missions? If so, I feel it should be mentioned in the BTS along with other instances of gamemechanics.
 * 2) *Added
 * 3) **Great. Corellian PremierRobotech.jpg along the watchtower 17:13, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) Any more quotes, especially from Weebacca?
 * 5) *I'll get some more.
 * 6) Thats it so far. Hope to see more from you. Corellian PremierRobotech.jpg along the watchtower 03:28, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * 7) *Thanks for the review! MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 04:38, May 11, 2011 (UTC)

QGJ

 * So, is there nothing in the Prima Guide? Also, you forgot to add the CSWE as a source. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 13:36, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Not that I could find. Just info on locations and strategies. Added CSWE. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 14:07, May 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * So, in the entire guide, there is not a single mention of Weebacca? I just want to make sure, as he is a rather important character storyline-wise, and there must be something on him. Even if it does not contain new information and only mentions him briefly, it still counts as a source. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 14:30, May 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll have to check. It might take a little while, as I don't currently have access to the guide. Hopefully I'll again be in posession of it by the end of this coming week. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 00:39, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * He, in reality, acted as a double agent during the battle in 4 ABY until he was killed by his former friend Chewbacca when his treachery was realized after being caught trying to escape the destruction of Moff Darcc's palace along with Darcc and Pekt, a Trandoshan slaver. This is a run-on.
 * Umm..I guess someone fixed it. :P Too lazy to see who it was. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 00:39, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Like the intro, the bio should start with an establishing sentence. "Weebacca was a male Wookiee etc."
 * Fixed. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 00:39, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Context on Han and Chewbacca in the bio.
 * Better? MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 00:39, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * The two were never cross with each other, I don't quite get this part.
 * They were never mad with each other. The above is the wording from the databank on Galactic Battlegrounds. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 00:39, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Um, Okay. I guess I just wasn't familiar with that idiom.
 * His betrayal should be established earlier in the bio.
 * Striking this as Jon has objected to the same thing below. I'll let him handle this. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 14:06, May 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately for the heroes "Heroes" is POV.
 * Fixed. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 00:39, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * While liberating Kashyyyk from the Trandoshan slavers and the Imperial Remnant in 4 ABY, Han Solo and Chewbacca moved to Kepitenochan, liberating Wookiee slaves on their way. "Liberating" is repetitive.
 * Changed. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 00:39, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Now the sentence states the fact that Chewbacca and Han liberated the Wookies twice. And it also reads a bit awkwardly. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 15:59, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Picky, picky. :P Better this time? MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 17:18, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * All in all, the biography should be more from Weebacca's point of view. With the exception of the first paragraph, it currently focuses on Han and Chewie.
 * I think that might be better. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 00:39, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * The second P&T sentence could probably be reworded to make it sound less speculative.
 * Hopefully less POV. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 00:39, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think that Second Battle of Kashyyyk has been confirmed as the battle's real name, so you should avoid using it.
 * Avoided at all costs, which were minimal. :P MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 00:39, May 15, 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, I don't remember the game actually using the 4 ABY date. You should find a better source.
 * All from me. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 14:57, May 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Whew, IU articles are harder, IMO. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 00:39, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

Prepare to be savaged&hellip;

 * You refer both to the New Republic and the Rebel Alliance, but the year is the same: 4 ABY. Can you figure out which it was and use that one exclusively? ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 05:15, May 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Fixed, I hope. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 00:40, May 15, 2011 (UTC)

Wee! ... bacca

 * Some mainly timeline-based prelims:
 * The italicized word in the intro: No way. Not in an encyclopedia. :D
 * Oh, my bad. :P MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 12:46, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Intro: It's not accurate to say that the Imperial Remnant "invaded" Kashyyyk in 4 ABY. Darcc was already in power, and the planet had been under Imperial control for over two decades at that point. I think you'd do better to mention the Trandoshans' actions in relation to Darcc attempting to seize absolute control of Kashyyyk.
 * It doesn't say the Empire invaded in 4 ABY. It says the battle took place in 4 ABY. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 12:46, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Intro explicitly says "invaded."
 * I realize it says the Empire invaded, but the date is referring to the battle. "Invasion" and "4 ABY" aren't even in the same sentence. I'm still not seeing what you're saying. If you could maybe change it to your liking so I can see it, that might help. Sorry for the trouble. :P MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 13:00, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * "Invaded" pipelinks to Second Battle of Kashyyyk (Galactic Civil War), which is incorrect. And even if they're not in the same sentence, the intro reads as if the invasion and the battle are the same thing. It needs to clearly establish that they're different, and that the latter happens quite a while after the former. I hope that helps. Menkooroo 13:22, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Understood. I think it's better now. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 17:08, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd leave out any mention of "Imperial Remnant" altogether. Even with Palpatine dead, they were still the Galactic Empire for a few more years. Darcc's forces in particular.
 * OK, fixed. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 12:46, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think the Rebels were the New Republic yet at this point. This video uses the term "Alliance," and the timeline placement of several other sources seem to indicate that this battle was pre-Declaration of a New Republic (such as Star Wars 91: Wookiee World, which shows a post-Imperial-occupation Kashyyyk and takes place before the Declaration of the New Republic). I think that "Rebel Alliance" is your winner in regards to Bobbo's objection above.
 * Were they the Rebel Alliance or the Alliance of Free Planets at this point? ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 07:29, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Alliance of Free Planets during Wookiee World, but likely not during Galactic Battlegrounds. Also, watching more of the youtube videos on the Kashyyyk mission, it seems that "Alliance," "Rebellion," and "New Republic" are used interchangeably. I'd stick with Rebel Alliance, which seems to jive the best with other continuity. Menkooroo 08:32, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Stupid GB. Stay consistent. :P OK, I'll change to "Rebel Alliance." MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 12:46, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * Is there no indication, in the CSWE or anything, of what Weebacca's motives were? Any hints?
 * Nope. QGJ quoted the emtire passage on Weebacca on the barn-burner page. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 12:46, May 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * More to come once these are addressed, baby! Menkooroo 06:51, May 16, 2011 (UTC)

Jujiggum

 * "&hellip;the Wookiee appeared to drop his then-current dealings and rush to fight for the planet's defense. However, he acted as a double agent for both the Rebel Alliance and the Galactic Empire during the battle a while later in 4 ABY." The chronology here doesn't really make sense. You make it sound like he rushed to the planet's defense, but didn't actually have to do so for several years. Did the battle take place when he rushed to the planet's defense, or was it actually much later? Either way, please make this clearer.
 * In the first paragraph of the bio you have information that belongs solely in the P&T, as well as some colloquial wording (i.e. "sticky circumstances").
 * Better, I think. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 17:34, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * "He hated the Empire, and when his homeworld of Kashyyyk was invaded and enslaved&hellip;" Can we get a link for this invasion?
 * Should I treat the invasion and liberation as the same battle? MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 17:34, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't know, since I'm unfamiliar with the source material. Please see my first objection. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 17:44, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * In the second paragraph of the bio, you make it sound like Solo, Chewie and Weebacca were trying to send a message to the Rebel Alliance, but then you say that "the Wookiee forces" themselves were unable to dispatch a message. Which is correct?
 * "Later, Weebacca was caught trying to escape the planet with Moff Darcc and Trandoshan slaver Pekt, the Empire's two leaders in the invasion, in an Imperial shuttle after the Wookiees destroyed Darcc's palace." Caught by whom? And your use of "caught" implies that he was captured, and I don't think that that's correct if Chewbacca duelled him.
 * Better? MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 17:34, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * "He carried the same name of the ancient Wookiee hero Bacca&hellip;" Uh, no he didn't. His name was "Weebacca, not just Bacca. You could specify that his name contained the name Bacca, but he didn't share the same exact name.
 * Restated. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 17:34, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Lots of POV wording in the P&T section
 * I've made sure only wording from the databank on the game is used. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 17:34, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Lots of source materials are POV, but that is not an excuse for our narration to be thus. We must be objective. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 17:44, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Lots of missing info in the P&T section (see my second objection above for some of what is missing)
 * Info moved from bio to P&T. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 17:34, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Grammar/tense mistakes here, now. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 17:44, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * The appearances section needs a 1st tag.
 * Added. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 17:34, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * The article is currently treated from Han and Chewie's perspective, as opposed to Weebacca's. Remmeber, in completely objective writing, you can't leave a surprise like Weebacca's betrayal for the end, because Weebacca already knew that he had betrayed the Rebels before the Rebels figured it out, and you need to present all of the information as it occurs chronologically. So you need to mention his betrayal sooner, and since this is his article, tell his story, not Han and Chewie's.
 * The affiliation field in the infobox shouldn't just include Galactic Empire, should it? He wasn't always a supporter of the Empire, so the field should also contain his previous allegiances.
 * Added the Rebel Alliance since he was a double agent. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 17:34, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Okay, now I'm confused. Was he a double-agent during his entire career? Or did he actually work for the Rebels before turning to the Imperial side? Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 17:44, May 19, 2011 (UTC)
 * Jonjedigrandmaster ( Talk ) 14:29, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Comments

 * Another quote would be nice.-- Exiled Jedi Greetings 19:13, May 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'll look for some more. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 13:34, May 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * OK, so I've restarted the Wookiee campaign, and all the quotes from Wookiees aren't translated into Basic. They just say, "Raahhh Graa Rawr!" and such. :P How should I treat this? MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg<sup style="color:green">(Whatever) 13:02, May 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * Are there any more quotes that are about Weebacca, even if they're not by him? Anything by Han, or in the mission briefings? Or even anything about the battle that could be used as a bio quote? Menkooroo 15:28, May 21, 2011 (UTC)