User talk:Menkooro

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Which category?
Thanks too. :) About the category: which should I remove? --XXLVenom998 (talk) 15:31, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, will do it ASAP. Thanks for pointing it out. Cheers, --XXLVenom998 (talk) 15:33, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

WEG template trouble
Hi Menk. Do you know if it is possible to pipelink inside a template, such as the WEG one? The title for the story is going to be The Trap (adventure scenario), and I wanted to hide the stuff in the brackets. Do you know if there is a way to do that? Thanks, and a Happy New Year to you! 501st dogma ( talk ) 17:02, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Great! Thanks! 501st  dogma ( talk ) 13:02, January 2, 2013 (UTC)

Did you get my message?
Just checking, did you get my message about the WOTM interview? I left it on your talk page shortly before you archived it, and I haven't heard back from ya since I left it. If you just haven't got around to giving me the questions, then I apologize for bugging you :)  Commander Code-8  To say hi, press 42 07:53, January 3, 2013 (UTC)

Well, here's the interview, feel free to link to anything you think could be link There you go, for images I thought you could use one of the Destruction of Alderaan and the caption could say something like "No apocalyptic events prevented Commander Code-8 from getting this award" and if you want another one you could use a picture of Chewbacca that says "It's alive! (As soon as the sequels come out). No evil required on your part. :)  Commander Code-8  To say hi, press 42 04:02, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) You're the Wookieepedian of the Month! And not just any month... the first month of 2013! Tell us how it feels.
 * 2) *I'm quite happy about getting this award, and I was very suprised at how quickly I was nominated for it, since I've only been an active contributer since July. I was also very suprised by the amount of community support I recieved when I was nominated, which was a big confidence booster for me. In terms of what month I was chosen in, it hasn't changed how excited I am to be the WOTM, it would still be the same if I was picked in February or August. Although, being nominated for January 2013 was a bit of a scare for me, as I had to consider that the world might end before I recieved it. :P
 * 3) 2.When did you start editing Wookieepedia? What inspired you to take such an active role in the community?
 * 4) *I started editing in late 2009 after a friend told me about it, but was really just a small-time editor and was gone after a few months. After spending time on some other wikis, I began to get interested in Star Wars again after playing The Old Republicand I came back on to the wiki last July. I can't really remember why I started writing, but soon enough, I'd nommed Destruction of Otoh Sancture for GA status. Since then I've stayed on the wiki and written more articles and gotten a lot more experience, but I'm still learning.
 * 5) Has CA, GA, and FA writing helped improve your writing skills? Why do you think it's so addicting?
 * 6) *I'd say that my writing has gotten better since I started contributing, I'm getting a lot less objections on my article nominations than I did when I started writing. But why it's addicting to me, I honestly couldn't tell you.
 * 7) What aspect of editing do you enjoy the most? And on the flip side, what about the site would you change if you could?
 * 8) *I'd say I just enjoy the general writing part of editing, and for me there's not really a bad part about it.
 * 9) What kind of advice would you pass on to new and aspiring editors?
 * 10) *For new editors, I'd say that you should never freak out when you make a mistake. No one on the Wook is going to rage at you if you mess up, if you do they'll just give you a polite message correcting your mistake. I'd also say its a good idea to read up on some of the writing policies we have here, doing that will save other people a lot of time reviewing your articles because they won't have to point out obvious mistakes.
 * 11) You have your own personal project about Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds. Have you always been a big fan of the game?
 * 12) *I do quite like the game but I work on it cause its something that doesn't have as much coverage as it could on the wiki and I'm able to help with that.
 * 13) What are some of your other favorite Expanded Universe works, and which film is best?
 * 14) *I have to be honest, I'm a bit of a noob in terms of the amount of EU stuff I've read/played etc. most of what I know about the EU actually comes from Wookieepedia (I've only recently started reading the Thrawn trilogy), but some of my favourites would be John Jackson Miller's brilliant KOTOR comics, The Force Unleashed, and Galactic Battlegrounds of course. My favourite of the films is definitely epsiode V, with episode III coming second.
 * 15) On the other end of the spectrum: Your least favorites. Go!
 * 16) *The Jedi Prince books. Not only are they completely ridiculous as Star Wars media, but they're actually the worst books I've ever read! The amount of retcons made to keep them canon is quite lengthy and laughable, but since they were fairly early EU works, they introduced a lot of still-used concepts such as the Prophets of the Dark Side. I also think Chewie's death was a stupid thing to do, (I actually know people who say that anything post-25 ABY is non-canon because of this) but I do suspect this will be overidden when the sequels come out. Don't even get me started on the Clone Wars.
 * 17) What's the Star Wars fan community like in Australia? Is everything as readily available as it is in the US and Canada? Have you ever been to any conventions or anything?
 * 18) *I can't say its that great down here, and I live in the country rather than in the city, so there aren't any places nearby where I can by Star Wars things like books and comics. That being said, I did get to go to the Star Wars: Where Science Meets Imagination exhibition, which was pretty cool.
 * 19) What role does Wookieepedia play in the broader Star Wars community?
 * 20) *I think Wookieepedia is a great place for Star Wars fans to find out more about their favourite franchise. The site and its writers do a great job of keeping things up to date, and my knowledge of Star Wars has greatly expanded since I found the site.
 * 21) What do you think the future holds for Star Wars... and, consequently, for Wookieepedia?
 * 22) *Well, we're all bracing ourselves for the release of the sequels, we have no idea which canon will be kept or destroyed, though as I said earlier, I'm actually looking forward to Chewie's resurrection, since there's no way that the movie makers will just say he's dead. I'm still hoping the sequels will still be good just as movies, and won't be The Phantom Menace all over again.
 * 23) Any other thoughts you'd like to share?
 * 24) *Well, just thanks to everyone who's helped me on the way while I've been on the wiki, and I'd also just like to say that the way Wookieepedia writes its articles, as in the in-universe perspective of the pages, is great, and I wish more wikis wrote their pages like we do.

Battle of Rhen Var FAN nomination
Hey Menk, I'm back (for now) from by brief sabbatical an I notice my nomination for the Battle of Rhen Var (Great Galactic War) failed (sad day, given that it was my first failure). Either way, I'm back now and I've renommed it, having fixed one of your objections (the redlink objection is now irrelevant). However, I would like to discuss with you your two other objections. The first, regarding linking in explanatory reference notes, is a bit tricky. Given that there's no rule regarding it and everybody seems to do it with some inconsistency, I've taken to linking only to those items that are necessary for understanding the explanation provided, i.e. dates, events, or proper nouns that need to be understood or acknowledged in order for the reader to understand the reference. I'm against not linking to these things in the notes (even if they had been referenced previously in the article proper) because the links provide convenient, one-stop access to those articles for readers who are trying to understand the note. However, I'm also against linking everything because such a standard becomes unwieldy in the notes & refs and sets a bad precedent. I feel that links for things such as 'year' and 'invasion' are unnecessary for the reader to understand the note and therefore should not be included. That said, I'm not disagreeing with your objection, but rather explaining to you the reason I've left it as-is thus far. I'd love to hear your take on it. As for the Imperial/Republic Military links, I've included them in the article but omitted them from the infobox. Generally, my standard is that the infobox includes military branches, and not the military itself (which is more than most articles). Let me know what you think about both issues. Thanks. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 11:00, January 5, 2013 (UTC)

Scripts
As per here, I'm confused about the precedent set here...I was told that it was unacceptable to link to sites such as Nathan P Butler's Timeline Gold. Yet for the scripts we link to a fanon site? Has anyone even verified the legitimacy of those scanned scripts? If you could elaborate that would be a great help. Thanks. Rokkur Shen (talk) 08:59, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. I got caught up in the moment with references made to the rather ambiguous titles of the scripts given by starwarz.com within the body of articles while trying to remove a number of red links. If I come across a similar situation in the future I'll aim to move the information to the Behind the scenes section rather than remove it altogether. Rokkur Shen (talk) 07:07, January 9, 2013 (UTC)

Empire-in-exile
You are probably right, in doubt let us leave the status quo, even if I found strange to say that the empire is in exile when he is the only empire left and while a Fel is the Emperor again. In the infobox of the Fel Empire we even have a date of restoration. Maxattac (talk) 21:10, January 8, 2013 (UTC)

Response
Just so you know, I went back and added just a tad more information to my response to your questions this evening, so if you grabbed it before that, just go back over it again. Thanks again. --  Riffsyphon  1024 05:31, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * You got an email I could send it to, maybe? Enochf (talk) 13:56, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

News
Hey, Menk. I just wanted to ask who normally puts posts on the news section on the main page, since this happened yesterday and nothing's been put up about it. Thanks.  Commander Code-8  To say hi, press 42 09:18, January 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I'll get to it right away.  Commander Code-8  To say hi, press 42 10:26, January 13, 2013 (UTC)

100,000
Sounds like a plan; I'm open. Here is probably better than via email; I've become REALLY bad about checking it lately. jSarek (talk) 03:38, January 14, 2013 (UTC)

On the nature of the shapeshifting fake Vaders
Hey Menkooroo! Good catch adding the Star Wars Insider 135 to the sources in all those fake Vaders' articles. I went on to check that Game on! article, and it got me wondering. It says that the fake Vaders were 'intended as illusions representing Luke's fears, like the Cave of Evil scene in Empire Strikes Back. However, players were just confused.' This suggest we should treat Sasori, Kurado and Gyaos as illusions rather than creatures, but it seems to me it's more authorial intent than anything else. Additionnally, I cannot understand how a bunch of illusions could have kidnapped Golden Rod, Ol' Ben and Chewie... That would make very little sense.

Moreover, we have another problem, since the fake Vader luke fought in the Cave of Evil was not a mere hallucination, but rather a protean Dark Spirit that could impersonate the worst fears of those who encountered it&mdash;that is, a dark side entity generated by the death of a Dark Jedi near the cave. Of course, the discrepancy itself could be noted in the BtS, but how would we treat those Vaders in the infobox and articles themselves? As creatures or illusions? I'm looking forward to reading your input on that matter. Cheers. --LelalMekha (talk) 16:01, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. On a completely unrelated note, could you help me understand that mishmash of assassination attempt on Finis Valorum during the Eriadu Trade Summit? I've been asked to make an article on that thing as an objection on Bail Antilles' FAnom, and frankly my dear, I'm completely lost. I haven't read Cloak of Deception in ages, and I'm just losing ground trying to summarize the events. All I can see is that they were several conflicting plans, but how exactly they intertwined simply eludes me. I must point out that I've just returned from my exam session at the university, so my brains are somewhat tired&mdash;it's a wonder I'm still capable of writing in English, really. --LelalMekha (talk) 23:41, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh good Lord, that's a relief! No wonder I couldn't find it, I was looking for something like "Assassination attempt on Finis Valorum". An article on the second attempt&mdash;which is much more complex&mdash;may still be needed, though, but I'll only start working on it when my sanity is restored. --LelalMekha (talk) 01:39, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Its seems so. Then I certainly won't worry myself sick about that. Don't get me wrong, I love James Luceno's books&mdash;he's an amazing canon compiler&mdash;but that particular part of the story really isn't my cup of Dianogan tea. Thanks for saving the day once again, anyway! --LelalMekha (talk) 02:11, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re:Request
I joined Wookieepedia about a year after its inception. By that time, the site had a firm identity&mdash;we knew we wanted to be an all-inclusive Star Wars encyclopedia and the most-trusted source of information for Star Wars on the internet. What we didn't know was how we wanted to go about doing so, and I had a chance to help figure some of that out. I had a chance to watch Wookieepedia grow from a fansite for nerds to well, a fansite for nerds that happens to be used by everyone else who needs to know something about Star Wars. Possibly the best thing I was ever involved with on Wookieepedia was helping obtain our table for Celebration IV, where Bob Vitas helped us out and got us an event on the schedule. For me, that was the realization, the "wow" moment that we'd hit it big, that Wookieepedia was going to be a permanent fixture in the Star Wars fan scene. Fast forward a few years, and the official site not only links to us, they openly acknowledge our contributions and point people to our pages. We always knew we were better than the old Databank, but I at least never expected them to acknowledge it!

I'd be hard-pressed to talk about Wookieepedia without mentioning the IRC channel. I remember the discussions on IRC that alternated between wild-eyed brainstorming on ways to improve the site from crazed nerds with delusions of grandeur and random hilarity. Somehow, out of those conversations emerged things like our citation policy, the overhaul of Featured and Good articles that resulted in the Inquisitorius and the AgriCorps, a number of fantastic WookieeProjects, and of course, April Fool's Day jokes. Oh, but don't worry: There Is No IRC Cabal!

Wookieepedia's formative years occurred before I was truly active. What I saw and participated in was its coming-of-age. Six years ago, everyone was in awe of a 200 KB Palpatine article with no references and non-neutral prose. Today, we don't even view that as one of our best nor fully-encompassing of the character and it's twice as long. In the nearly seven years I've been here, the site has grown up so much in terms of its presentation, the comprehensiveness of its writing, the standards it strives for, and the overall stability of its community. I'll always remember the writers, editors, image gurus, administrators, and other Wookieepedians who helped this site mature to its current state, and I look forward to seeing what the community produces in years to come. Atarumaster88  ( Talk page ) 22:50, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Le barnburner
Thanks! You should give yourself some credit though, as you've been practically running these barnburners from the sidelines. :) Thanks again, 501st  dogma ( talk ) 21:25, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Inq Meeting 55
Inq Meeting 55 is scheduled for 2/3 February. Leave notes if you can't make it. Green Tentacle (Talk) 17:40, January 21, 2013 (UTC)

ANH ceremony
Hello Menk, may I request you do a source/adaptation check for Anj Zavor, Morts Werl, Caf Treblanc and Deacon Eso? As many of those minor award ceremony characters are already GAs or FAs, it might just be a matter of checking for them in those characters' lists. Thanks in advance. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 18:47, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, it appears you have already done this for every article except for Morts Werl. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 19:29, January 22, 2013 (UTC)

Chreeto
Woops. Sorry. Filed away for future reference. Rokkur Shen (talk) 11:12, January 24, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks
Thank you for pointing out the problems of the nominated article. I try to expand and source it, but there are not many sources which can help in expanding eg. the Skills and abilities section, as we don't know anything of her skills besides that she was a fierce warrior, let's say. However, I'm working on the topic. Cheers, -- XXLVenom998 ''' (Surprise me!) 17:23, January 27, 2013 (UTC)

Galen Torg
Hello Menkooroo, may I request a source/adaptation check for Galen Torg, whom I am also having LelalMekha look for? Here's what Lelal gave me so far: absent from Star Wars: A New Hope - The Special Edition 4, Star Wars Manga: A New Hope 4, Star Wars 6: Is This the Final Chapter? (that comic skips the ceremony scene) and The Day after the Death Star!. Meanwhile, two sentries do guard the entrance of the Grand Audience Chamber in Star Wars Droids 8: Star Wars According to the Droids, Book III, but their appearance differs significantly. He also is included in Star Wars: Behind the Magic. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 18:52, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Revwien
Thanks for picking that up Menk. I don't know how I missed it. I Ctrl+F'd Parwan and everything before editing as I knew it was a featured article. I'll add the sourced info from the Revwien article to Parwan then. Rokkur Shen (talk) 05:06, January 31, 2013 (UTC)

Hand of Judgment FAN
Hey Menk, just wanted to let you know that it looks like your objections to the Hand of Judgment FAN have been addressed for about a week. Inqapproval awaits the completion of your review. Thanks.  CC7567  (talk) 22:18, February 1, 2013 (UTC)

Good ol' Itchy
Hey Menkooroo. As you may have seen, I've been working massively on Attichitcuk lately. Since the old man falls within the scope of your interests&mdash;I remember he was part of your projects some time ago&mdash;I wondered if you could give a (good) look one of these days. Let me warn you: it's still a work in progress, and that's why I'd like to know your opinion. After all, you FAN'd Lumpawaroo. Ironically enough, the section detaling the events of The Star Wars Holiday Special is woefully incomplete; but as you know too well, writing about THS is quite tricky, so it'll probably be the last part I'll be working on. Cheers. --LelalMekha (talk) 21:17, February 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Quite happily, I own most sources myself, except Star Wars: Chronicles, Star Wars Insider 74, Star Wars Insider 106 and Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds: Prima's Official Strategy Guide. --LelalMekha (talk) 00:36, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * By the way, there is one thing that puzzles me: when I started working on the article, that "Wookiee Chieftain" succession box was already there, but I don't think this box in itself is pertinent. I know of no source stating there was only one Chieftain at a time&mdash;for all we know, a Chieftain is just the leader of a clan. Who's to say that Tarfful succeeded Itchy? They weren't even from the same region or clan! However, that succession box was implemented well before I started meddling with articles here. Maybe the original editor knows best? --LelalMekha (talk) 00:50, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Thanks
No problem. I'll add the discussion point, but anything about changes to the log should be taken up with Xd or any of the other Inqs on IRC. I'm currently unable to get online since I'm at a different computer than the one I normally use.  CC7567  (talk) 00:41, February 4, 2013 (UTC)

Promoting adventure scenarios to status
I was wondering if you could help me by informing me what sections should go in an OOU artilce, such as an adventure scenario from The Far Orbit Project? Since I saw you did Star Wars: Legacy 23: Loyalties, Part 1, I though you would be able to help. Thanks, 501st  dogma ( talk ) 21:56, February 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Also, how do you think I should do the plot section, as there is no definent path that should be followed. Should I give all of the paths that the adventure should follow? 501st  dogma ( talk ) 14:44, February 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the help. I'll try to see if I can find a way to to solve my Plot section's problem. 501st  dogma ( talk )

Re:FAN page reviewing
Hey, thanks for the message. School just started down here and I've been a bit busy at the moment, but I'll happily get to some FAN reviewing as soon as I can.  Commander Code-8  G'day, mate 08:03, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

FAN page reviewing
Hi Menkooroo and thanks for the welcome and invite! I'd love to start reviewing FANs and will do so as soon as possible. I have a week of exams and so won't manage it until afterwards but will start asap. Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:22, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

About FAN reviews
Hey Menkooroo. I take note of the Inquisitorius' request, and I will try to review more in the near future. Must confess that, if I generally avoid reviewing, that is mainly because I don't really feel qualified for that. While it's true I've been writing a few status articles these days, they required many reviews themselves before being accepted, so I always felt my reviewing articles would be like the pot calling the kettle black. Anyway, I'll give it a try quite soon. --LelalMekha (talk) 10:23, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Au temps de la Guerre des Étoiles
Hey Menkooroo. Although it's already unusual to possess a copy of The Star Wars Holiday Special, I also own something even rarer: a copy of Au temps de la Guerre des Étoiles, the shortened, French-language edition of the SWHS&mdash;it's only 72 minutes because most songs are cut, and none of the French voice actors of the trilogy dubs worked on it, except Francis Lax as Han Solo. I'm willing to include information pertaining to that French version, but I'm not sure how to source it exactly. How would you personally handle this? --LelalMekha (talk) 14:32, February 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * I still have to watch it entirely, but I think there are some little oddities: I already know that, in that French dub, Saun Dann states that "Wookiee cuisine is not worthy of French cuisine." :D --LelalMekha (talk) 16:22, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Reviewing
Jeff, my friend, it is good to hear from you, been a while. Imo, anything that can be done to improve the quality of the articles here should be done, especially by the advanced users such as you and I, who have experience in the article writing business. Admittedly, I have not been reviewing as much as I have been improving the quality of articles and working up to getting them to some sort of status, but hey, like I said, reviewing should be expected of us. I will strive to do better, and I'm glad to see you're still churning out those articles, you've come a long way. Still working on Cade, of course, and I want to have him on the FANs by the time the Legacy sequel comes out (Yay!). Hope all is well for you, and hit me up anytime, bro.&mdash; 17:22, February 11, 2013 (UTC)