Wookieepedia:Comprehensive article nominations



This page is for the nomination of "comprehensive articles". For a list of "comprehensive articles", see Category:Wookieepedia comprehensive articles.


 * Comprehensive article nominations history
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What is a "comprehensive article?"

A "comprehensive article" is an article that contains all information regarding the topic. Often, "comprehensive articles" cannot reach Featured or Good Article status due to their limited content. This process is intended to recognize articles that contain all relevant canon information, yet are still under the 250 word limit required for a Good Article. The purpose of this is twofold&mdash;firstly, to help users distinguish what is a stub, and what is merely a short article with no further relevant material to be added, and, more importantly, to highlight for the reader when they are reading something that has been judged definitely "comprehensive"&mdash;that is, a guarantee to the reader that whatever they are reading contains the sum total of all available content.

Nominations and promotions of the Comprehensive article process are overseen by a collective of users known as the "EduCorps," which is made up of the Inquisitorius, the AgriCorps, and various other experienced users who are considered qualified to adequately judge the nominated material.

Lucasfilm Ltd. and its many licensees continue to expand the Star Wars universe. Since new information might become available, it may be necessary to revoke a "comprehensive article's" status. A forum will be used to nominate articles that have fallen out-of-date. Members of the EduCorps will then post a warning template on that page, and a grace period of one week will be instituted in which the article can be improved. If there is a significant amount of new information, it is likely that once updated, the article will become eligible for Good article status, and thereby ineligible for Comprehensive article status.

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An article must&hellip;


 * 1) &hellip;be well-written and detailed.
 * 2) &hellip;be unbiased, non-point of view.
 * 3) &hellip;be sourced with all available sources and appearances.
 * 4) &hellip;follow the Manual of Style, Layout Guide, and all other policies on Wookieepedia. This is, of course, within reason. If a topic only has a very limited degree of content that cannot be divided up into the relevant article sections, it is not required that it follow the Layout Guide precisely. This is to be judged on a case-by-case basis.
 * 5) &hellip;following the review process, be stable, i.e., does not change significantly from day to day and is not the subject of ongoing edit wars. This does not apply to vandalism and protection or semi-protection as a result of vandalism.
 * 6) &hellip;not be tagged with any sort of improvement tags (i.e. more sources, expand, etc).
 * 7) &hellip;have no redlinks.
 * 8) &hellip;have all relevant canon information presented.
 * 9) &hellip;be completely referenced for all available material and sources. See Sourcing for more information. While this is not required for an article possessing a singular source, it is encouraged, as it provides both uniformity and a good infrastructure should the topic be referenced in any future materials.
 * 10) &hellip;have all quotes and images sourced.
 * 11) &hellip;provide at least one relevant quote on the article if available.
 * 12) &hellip;include a "Behind the scenes" section for In-Universe articles.
 * 13) &hellip;counting the introduction, the article body, and "Behind the scenes" material, must not exceed 250 words in length (not including captions, quotes, or headers, etc). Any articles exceeding the limit should be taken to the Good article nominations page for consideration.

How to nominate:


 * 1) First, nominate an article you find is worthy of comprehensive status, putting it at the bottom of the list below. Nominated articles must meet all thirteen requirements stated above.
 * 2) Add CAnom at the top of the article you are nominating.
 * 3) Be sure to place sign in the "Nominated by" line when the nomination is posted for voting.
 * 4) Others will object to the nomination if they disagree that the article is good enough; they will then supply reasons for doing so, and ways to improve the article in accordance with the established rules.
 * 5) Nominators and supporters will adjust the article until the objectors (with reasonable objections) are satisfied. Objectors may also make alterations&mdash;if there is any reason for contention on a given point, it should be settled in a civil manner in the nomination field itself.
 * 6) Users may not vote on their own articles.
 * 7) There is no limit to the amount of nominations a given user can submit at any given time.

How to vote:


 * 1) Before doing anything, be sure to read the article completely, keeping a sharp eye out for mistakes.
 * 2) Afterward, compare the article to the criteria listed above, and then either support or object the article's nomination.
 * 3) *If you object, please supply concrete reasons for doing so, and how it can be improved.
 * 4) As stated above, any objections will be looked upon by the nominator, supporters, and anyone willing to improve the article, and action will be taken to please the objectors. Do not strike other users' objections; it is up to the objector to review the changes and strike if they are satisfied.
 * 5) There are several ways in which an article can receive the required number of votes. Within a 48-hour period of nomination, only EduCorps votes will count towards the total, although anyone may choose to vote in that window. If two members of the EduCorps support a nomination in that window, and there are no outstanding objections, the article can be considered a "Comprehensive article" and be tagged with the template 48 hours after the initial nomination.  The talk page will also be tagged with the CA template. When the 48 hours are up, any user's votes will contribute towards the total. If one EduCorps member has voted for an article after a week, three regular votes will be required. After the 48 hour period, an article can still also pass with just two EduCorps votes.
 * 6) Once a nomination is successful, it will be placed on the Comprehensive article list. Instructions on how to archive nominations, successful or otherwise, can be found here. Anyone can archive a nomination&mdash;just make sure it has the correct number of votes, has been nominated for at least a week (or 48 hours if there are two EC votes), and that there are absolutely no outstanding objections. If you are not sure how to do this, just ask, and someone will likely be more than willing to help you. Also, if you think you can slip one past us, think again&mdash;someone is always watching you.

All nominations will be considered idle and are subject to instantaneous removal by EduCorps members if objections are not addressed, or at least not answered, after a period of 2 weeks.

ST-4402

 * Nominated by: Hanzo Hasashi 17:38, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments:

(1 ECs/2 Users/3 Total)
Support Object
 * 1) ~ SavageBob 18:19, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Bonslywizard Trade Federation Symbol.jpg( Send a transmission ) 13:32, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) Menkooroo 07:30, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4)  OLIOSTER  (talk) 15:07, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * "ST-4402 posessed the firepower to deal with any local trouble that could arise." Does the source actually say that? --''' Bonslywizard Trade Federation Symbol.jpg( Send a transmission ) 00:09, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yea it does. Hanzo Hasashi 01:54, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hmmm...even so, it seems kinda POV. Try changing the wording a little.--''' Bonslywizard Trade Federation Symbol.jpg( Send a transmission ) 17:30, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, will do so. Hanzo Hasashi 19:54, November 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * ST-4402 was thought of as possessing the firepower to deal with any local trouble that could arise.  - thought of by who? You need to qualify exactly who considered this to be factual. He either possessed the firepower or not. Also, can we identify his weapon and add it into the article? - Cavalier One FarStar Logo.jpg( Squadron channel ) 12:08, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hope the following's alright: Like other stormtroopers assigned to a garrison on Tatooine, ST-4402 possessed the firepower to deal with any local trouble that could arise.Hanzo Hasashi 17:19, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Can we identify the weapon? Looks like a T-21 to me? - Cavalier One FarStar Logo.jpg( Squadron channel ) 09:09, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Definitely is, however not sure whether appearance is enough to confirm. No actual source saying it's a T-21. Hanzo Hasashi 17:31, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Unless the source states human, then you'll have to ref it to another source, which would then mean reffing the entire article. - Cavalier One FarStar Logo.jpg( Squadron channel ) 12:11, November 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Sourced entire article, CSWE as source for him (?) being human, with a behind the scenes note of how it does not actually mention him, but talks about the stormtroopers in general during Palpatine's reign. Hanzo Hasashi 17:19, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * One more thing - you have "Males" in the category listing, but not in the infobox, and the BTS states that the gender is not identified. You'll either need to remove the "Males" cat, or add info that states he was male. - Cavalier One FarStar Logo.jpg( Squadron channel ) 09:09, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Forgot to change it. Hanzo Hasashi 17:31, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * The infobox sources "Human" to the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia, but the article's body sources it to the trading card. Something like "ST-4402 was the designation of a[2] Human[1] who served as a Imperial Stormtrooper officer assigned to a garrison on Tatooine during the Galactic Civil War.[2]" would be more accurate.
 * Will change the sourcing. Hanzo Hasashi 19:08, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind that a short article like this doesn't have an actual intro, and as such, nothing should be linked again in personality & traits. Menkooroo 16:04, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Will get rid of the sourcing. Hanzo Hasashi 19:08, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * No no no no no, the entire article needs to be sourced, but things like stormtrooper, garrison, and Tatooine should only be linked once, as the article has no intro. Menkooroo 04:03, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I misread it. I thought it was weird not to source the personality and traits, but still thought it best to do any of the suggested tweaking, not knowing I had completely misunderstood... Anyhow, fixed and addressed now. Hanzo Hasashi 05:33, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * No worries. :) But... you've actually undone your entire edit, including sourcing "Human" in the body. Menkooroo 05:39, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Hanzo Hasashi 15:08, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
 * Fairly obscure CCG character, being mentioned by one source alone. Also I am assuming ST-4402 is a human, because IIRC non-humans only existed within stormtrooper ranks after the formation of the New Republic. Somebody please correct me if this is not necessarily the case. Hanzo Hasashi 17:38, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is there anything worth noting from his CCG card mechanics in the BTS? Sometimes, it's worth noting that the character had "average strength" or whatnot or if he or she had any special abilities. Apparently, writers sometimes use such stats as guidelines when they incorporate such characters into stories. ~ SavageBob 19:22, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * When in battle against an alien ST-4402 is power +2. I don't think that's worth noting. Hanzo Hasashi 19:59, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * What might be worth noting isn't the specific number or stat, but how that compares to other cards. Is that value average? Weak? Strong? In other words, you might add a line to the effect that "The game statistics presented on ST-4402's game card make the character [stronger/weaker] than other game personages." ~ SavageBob 20:04, November 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe the Star Wars Legacy comics showing different looking female stormtrooper armor (worn by Jes Gistang and Unidentified female stormtrooper) could be a source to verify this trooper's gender, I don't know... Hanzo Hasashi 20:58, November 3, 2010 (UTC)

Sun shawl

 * Nominated by: Darth Morrt 15:14, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments:

(2 ECs/1 Users/3 Total)
Support
 * 1)  Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 15:50, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) You are my sunshawl, my only sunshawl, you make me happy, when skies are gray... ~ SavageBob 16:32, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3)  OLIOSTER  (talk) 07:12, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Jujiggum
 * 2) * If that's not the shawl in the image, then I don't really think it's needed in the article. I'm guessing, though, that you aren't sure, hence the possible appearance in Star Wars 1?
 * 3) **According to the novel, this woman wore a sun shawl in this scene. I don't know, whether the penciller had known this. Should I remove {Pos}?
 * 4) ***No, the pos should definitely stay, but I don't think the image is really needed&hellip; Does the novel give any further description of the shawl that would make it evident that the woman in the comic panel is definitely wearing it? Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 00:33, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) ****This is the one and only mention of the shawl in the novel: "... a lone old  woman  appeared and started across the street. Her  metallic  sun  shawl  was  pulled  tight around her. Something made her look up, tired eyes squinting into the distance. The sound suddenly leaped in volume as a shining rectangular shape came  roaring around a far corner. Her eyes popped  as  the  vehicle  bore  down  on  her..." No description. I think the image should be here, because it is the only possible depiction of the sun shawl. Darth Morrt 01:37, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) *****Okay, but I've placed it in the BTS instead of the Appearances section. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 19:13, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) * On that note: the article needs a BTS, and more specifically you need to address the possible appearance of the shawl in Star Wars 1 there.
 * 8) **Bts added.
 * 9) ***"The sun shawl could have appeared&hellip;" Why the speculative tone here? Could have? DO we know that it would have appeared? If not, then just mention its appearance in the novel, then say that the scene involving the woman who wore the shawl in the novel was filmed, but cut from the final film. Also, you still need to explain why Star Wars 1 is only a possible appearance of the shawl. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 00:33, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10) ****Better? Darth Morrt 01:37, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11) *****A few things here: "The scene involving the old woman was cut before the release of the film." This mention comes out of the blue; without some more context here, it's confusing. You need to specify beforehand that the scene with the woman was shot at all before you say that it was cut from the film. You should also source this section of the BTS, particularly that the scene was cut from the released version of A New Hope. Also, I think you could explain a little better why the appearance in the comic was ambiguous. Please state that the woman appeared dressed in a white garment, but that "without description or known authorial intention" we don't know if it actually was the shawl. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 19:13, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 12) ******I don't have any source that the woman's scene was ever filmed. It is in the script and missing from the film. I stated that the scene was "cut before the release of the film", because I don't know, whether it was cut from the film or from the script during production. The color style of the comic is not always realistic, so it cannot be stated that the shawl is white. Isn't it safe enough to delete the {pos}? Thinking about it, this kind of thoroughness can lead to questioning any visual source. Darth Morrt 17:08, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 13) *******That's precisely what my point was&mdash;without further context, it was confusing to the reader, leading me to believe that the scene had definitely been filmed. Now that you've expanded this mention, though, it makes sense. Also, you seem to have misunderstood the other part of my objection. I did not want you to remove the "without description or known authorial intention" bit&mdash;and it's for that very reasoning that we can't say for sure that the woman in the comic was wearing the shawl. Again, please explain that the woman appeared in a garment, but without further description and known intent, we can't say for certain that it was the shawl. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 20:47, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 14) ********Yeh, I've misunderstood it, sorry. Darth Morrt 10:21, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * 15) * Hmm, just because one person on Tatooine is shown to wear the shawl doesn't mean that the shawls were completely affiliated with them. For all we know, she may have been the only one on Tatooine to use it (not likely, but the point is that we don't know)
 * 16) **Removed.
 * 17) * You say a woman wore "a metallic shawl" to protect herself from the binary stars of the Tatoo system; however, you have yet to state that this type of shawl was metallic, so you could be referring to a different kind of shawl here for all the reader knows.
 * 18) **Fixed.
 * 19) ***This remains. You still don't specify earlier that the shawl was metallic. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 00:33, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 20) ****IMO, just the woman's sun shawl is known to be metalic. Other sun shawls' material could be different. Darth Morrt 01:37, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 21) * Why isn't Star Wars 1 italicized in the appearances section?
 * 22) **Fixed.
 * 23) * Also, just to verify&mdash;there are no applicable quotes?
 * 24) **The only possible quote would be the one in the image, but I think it is not related.
 * 25) ***No, that's not related at all. I just wanted to be sure. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 00:33, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 26) * Jonjedigrandmaster ( Talk ) 21:06, November 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 27) **Thanks for the copy-edit. Darth Morrt 23:54, November 4, 2010 (UTC)


 * Sorry to play devil's advocate here. But... the novelization says she's wearing a sun shawl in the scene. The comic depicts the very same scene. ... Where's the ambiguity? Menkooroo 07:20, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Her cloth in the comic doesn't seem to be a shawl to me. But I am not sure. Darth Morrt 09:10, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * The article admits that there isn't any description of what the sun shawl looks like. Instead of assuming that it's identical to its Earthly analogue, I think it would make more sense to go with what we do know (that is, next to nothing). The novel and the comic depict the exact same scene, and I really don't see any discrepancy. Menkooroo 03:59, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Fixed. Darth Morrt 14:54, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks. However, the bts states: The scene involving the old woman appeared in the Revised Fourth Draft of A New Hope, --- can you mention that the scene appears in Star Wars 1 as well? Menkooroo 06:18, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Added. Darth Morrt 10:12, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Could you use cite web for your external link? 1358  (Talk) 19:57, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

Comments

Guardian (Venator-class)

 * Nominated by:  Agent Cards <> 03:08, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: My first run through this process, lets see if an article I started is good enough to be deemed comprehensive.

(0 ECs/0 Users/0 Total)
Support

Object
 * Is the Jedi General mentioned the player? If so, we have an article of them (Unidentified Padawan (Clone Wars)). Also, since the player is apparently a Padawan, shouldn't they be a Jedi Commander, or are you promoted to Jedi Knight and Jedi General through the course of the game?  OLIOSTER  (talk) 11:20, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Jedi General is the player and the mission is only available once you become a Jedi Knight, hence why I put the rank of General.  Agent Cards <> 12:47, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you go and add "Description" and "Commanders and crew" sections (per WP:LG), you prolly have good GAN in your hands, any reason why not go for it? I know I was scared by it at time, now feel silly by it. (: –Tm_T (Talk) 11:51, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I basically just felt the article was too short to be in with the GANs. :D  Agent Cards <> 12:47, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Go ahead and add 'em, as there's now infobox-only information AFAICS. (: –Tm_T (Talk) 14:28, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with Tm_T. Do a little more work on it while reading all its current objections then take it to GA nom. It's already over the word limit at 305 words anyway.  OLIOSTER  (talk) 16:49, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Are the majority of those infobox stats assumptions? Because if SW:CCS doesn't say that the Guardian had that amount of, for example, compliment, you can't have it. 1358  (Talk) 13:10, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * The stats are listed as standard for a Venator-class Star Destroyer, since there is no mention as to any modifications shouldn't the ship be treated as "stock"? If not please inform me as to why. :)  Agent Cards <> 12:53, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * There is no reason why we 'should assume that this ship has the "normal" amount of, for example, compliment, to be honest. That is complete speculation. I suggest you remove everything that is not confirmed. 1358  (Talk) 13:41, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I removed the complements. Should I also remove the length and width and all the Venator-class info?  Agent Cards <> 03:13, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * See my objections below. 1358  (Talk) 17:42, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is the Guardian explicitly mentioned in Star Wars: Complete Cross-Sections, the databank entry you have listed, and Star Wars Annual 2011? I appreciate that you are using sources as references for some of the information contained in the article, but unless they actually mention the Guardian itself, they cannot be included in the article's source list. --Jinzler 14:45, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Databank and Cross-Sections sources are for Venator-class Star Destroyers which is what this ship is, as there is no mention of any special modifications to the ship it shouldn't it be treated as if it was stock straight out of Kuat Drive Yards? If I'm wrong please inform me as to why :).  Agent Cards <> 12:47, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * RE-read your statement and I think I may have misread it the first time around... I thought we couldn't reference/cite things that aren't listed in the article's sources section.  Agent Cards <> 13:10, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * The Star Wars Annual 2011 is just to source the 21 BBY date seeing as the game follows the TV series it has the same time frame.  Agent Cards <> 12:47, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * The "Sources" section of an article is only meant to list sources in which the article's subject matter itself has been mentioned, so in this case, only any sources that explictly mention the Guardian. It is perfectly acceptable to reference other sources to provide an article with background information, such as referencing Star Wars Annual 2011 for the 21 BBY date, but these sources should not be included in the article's source list. --Jinzler 13:21, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that if it was referenced it needed to be listed in the sources. Anyway thank you for that information, I have fixed it in the article.  Agent Cards <> 14:22, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) Xd1358
 * 2) *For the infobox, I suggest you remove /everything/ that hasn't been confirmed. Please see GAs like Resilient and Redeemer for examples.
 * 3) *The ship name needs to be italicized in the infobox.
 * 4) *Two unsourced facts in the infobox.
 * 5) *Ref 3 also needs to be italicized.
 * 6) *"Crew members" in the infobox: Only one clone naval officer?
 * 7) *Why is hyperdrive capitalized in the quote?
 * 8) *"&hellip;engaged the Separatist Supreme Commander of the Droid Armies, General Grievous, in battle." Article for the battle?
 * 9) *Mention that it was damaged during the battle; currently the intro just says "Though severely damaged...".
 * 10) *"&hellip;the Guardian managed to repel its attackers and its crew were able to repair enough of the damages to escape to hyperspace.[2]" Huh? Why did they espace if they were able to repel the enemy?
 * 11) *"The Guardian was a Venator-class that served&hellip;" Venator-class what?
 * 12) *"Marked with the red colors of the Republic&hellip;" Red colors of the Republic? Hmm? Cut out "of the Republic" would be my suggestion.
 * 13) *Punctuation error at the beginning of the history; makes it choppy.
 * 14) *Perhaps add a sentence about KDY manufacturing it?
 * 15) *Perhaps some small context on Serros, like his species?
 * 16) *References go after commas.
 * 17) *Again, link for the battle?
 * 18) *Wait, what? The Guardian engaged General Grievous? o_O
 * 19) *Article for the Jedi general?
 * 20) *"The Jedi's plan was a success, and the constructed defenses held firm against the Droid Army's assault&hellip;" The droid army itself was not involved, afaik, the navy was.
 * 21) *"&hellip;allowing Republic technicians the time they needed to repair the Guardian's hyperdrive." Didn't they escape, per the intro?
 * 22) *Bts section header is improperly capitalized.
 * 23) *"The Republic Venator-class Cruiser, Guardian, first appeared&hellip;" Punctuation error; also, I thought the ship was a Star Destroyer, not a cruiser. Address the ships properly.
 * 24) *Quotation marks go after periods.
 * 25) *Per Tm_T above, this article could use a commanders and crew section.
 * 26) *No more applicable categories?
 * 27) * 1358 (Talk) 17:42, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Comments

Tau serpent

 * Nominated by: NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 12:16, November 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments:What is it with LucasArts and leaving trilogies unfinished? They haven't actually finished a story in years, if ever since they truck along with stupid ideas, spin-offs, and sequels. TFU should at least be finished so they don't rush out a crappy retcon in another crappy book to explain the ending of TFUII. Also, while I rant on that. KOTOR.

(0 ECs/1 Users/1 Total)
Support Object
 * 1)  OLIOSTER  (talk) 22:23, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Is the infobox really needed?  OLIOSTER  (talk) 16:24, November 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Maybe adding Snake or Reptile to the infobox class would help, if it is not too speculative. Darth Morrt 19:31, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * I figured that those would be speculative since it could just as easily be some mammal, bug, or even a crustacean since it's an alien animal. There was just nothing to put into the infobox fields, but I knew people would object to the absence of one. Perhaps thet GC could weigh in on this. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 23:34, November 7, 2010 (UTC)
 * Isn't serpent a synonym for snake? Darth Morrt 00:08, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * I just think that if there is no information to fill it with, there shouldn't be an infobox. Once information you can put in it becomes available, then add it.  OLIOSTER  (talk) 11:33, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed, no infobox needed. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 13:50, November 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Removed. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 22:21, November 8, 2010 (UTC)

Comments

Brangus Glee

 * Nominated by: Menkooroo 04:34, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: So here's what you missed last week on Glee.

(0 ECs/0 Users/0 Total)
Support

Object
 * 1) Isn't he based on an unused concept alien from ROTJ? If so, you probably should talk about that and add some sources for wherever that maquette has appeared. I'll check Chronicles for you when I get a chance. ~ SavageBob 05:53, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) *I think he's just a realistic-looking dude from the CCG. Wookieepedia editors in the past thought he was from the cantina scene, but I think he's a CCG-original E.T. kinda thing. If you think that info's from Chronicles, yeah, It'd be great if you could check it out. Menkooroo 06:13, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) ** Here ya go: He was one of many alien designs for Jabba's Palace that never made it past the maquette stage. He never received a name and was known simply as "Alien 23" among the crew. Chronicles includes this caption under the image of his maquette: "'The thinker' among aliens?" (Chronicles pp. 242-243). If he's in Chronicles, he may be in Behind the Magic, too, so I'll check that later. ~ SavageBob 06:18, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) ***Holy crap. You are awesome. Thank you. ^^ Is the image of his maquette the same one from the ccg card? Menkooroo 06:23, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) **** Yeah, the maquette photo (front view) was simply Photoshopped into a cantina booth, it looks like. Chronicles has a side-view image as well, though. In other news, he's in Behind the Magic (or his maquette is), on a table with a ton of other Jabba's Palace maquettes. No info on him, but it's a visual reference, I guess. ~ SavageBob 06:24, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) **** You can find his maquette image here. (It's funny you decided to CA this guy, since I finished expanding Tocoyan, another abandoned Jabba's Palace alien, last week, so had all the sources at hand!) ~ SavageBob 06:34, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) *****OK! I've given the bts a complete overhaul. Thank you so, so much for the info and the image. Seriously, that's really cool of you. Surprisingly, the article is still easily CA length, so take a look and tell me what you think! Menkooroo 07:03, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) ******Happy to oblige! :) ~ SavageBob 16:05, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * OK, next thing: Can we claim that Dor Nameth is the former quarterback of the New York Jets homeworld of his species, or just of Glee?
 * 1) *Whoops, misread that sentence on the card. Remedied.
 * 2) Perhaps some note of his CCG abilities in the BTS? He seems fairly weak offense-wise, but he gets a boost when he's in a cantina. His "ability" indicates that he's pretty astute at defense. He has the skill needed to pilot a vehicle or fire a weapon. Characters can move to or from his location for free, provided he's at a docking bay. He avoids most low cases of attrition (death not directly related to battle). It's a lot of abilities for one little guy, but some summary might be in order. ~ SavageBob 16:05, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) *Honestly, adding card game stats to the bts seems kinda fluffish to me. As a comparison, I've never noted RPG stats in the bts sections of characters who are profiled in the Legacy Era Campaign Guide or any other WEG or WOTC sourcebook. If the bts were pretty slim, it admittedly couldn't hurt, but with all the info that's in the bts already (thanks to you! :^D), I don't really see it as necessary. Menkooroo 16:26, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) **I always do this, since Chee's gone on record that game stats are considered pseudo-canon in that an author can very well use them to base the a character's abilities on when they use that character in fiction. My personal practice is to indicate what things are different from average, so in his case, his card's good defensive abilities, and perhaps the fact that he's more powerful in a cantina (which fits in with his lore). The fact that he can drive and fire a weapon are perhaps negligible (who can't in Star Wars?), and the docking bay thing is kind of neither here nor there. What do you think about simply noting the cantina thing, good defensive value, and calling it a night? ~ SavageBob 19:31, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) ***I still don't like the idea of it. When adding stats for one character is mandated, then it sets a precedent for noting stats in bts sections of every character who has ever had RPG or card game stats. Should Havac beef up Wedge's bts with a few paragraphs detailing the stats given to Wedge in every sourcebook he's ever been in? I really don't mean to be stubborn or contrarian here (you know I think you're awesome!), but noting card game stats in a bts section just doesn't seem all that necessary to me. If a one-sentence bts section could use some beefing, it couldn't hurt, but otherwise, it kinda seems like trivia. An author can use the stats, sure, but they can just as easily discard them if they want. Menkooroo 04:17, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) ****I'd argue that, yes, Wedge's article should probably note any exceptional game stats he's got in his various incarnations. As I said, I always try to do this, whether the stats come from an RPG, a CCG, or a video game. In my opinion, our articles are sources for SW authors. I know of at least a few who have stated they use Wookieepedia as a resource when working on their novels or comics. In addition, I feel that game stats add color. It's kind of fun to know that Character X is a badass with the Klatooinan nunchuks even though his bio doesn't reference it, say; it allows us to mention something that otherwise isn't part of the larger article. And finally, it's part of being comprehensive in my opinion. We need to cover these characters and species and vehicles from all sorts of angles, not just their in-universe ones. But, then, I'm unaware of any policy on this, so I won't oppose based on it, I guess. ~ SavageBob 04:52, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) *****Don't give up yet! Objections don't have to be strictly based on what is and what isn't policy. Like everything else we've discussed in the past week, I'm interested in the community's thoughts on this. To the Senate Hall? Menkooroo 05:40, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) ******I'm cool with that. I started the last one, though. ;P ~ SavageBob 18:48, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

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Gunnery captain

 * Nominated by: Darth Morrt 19:42, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: An other underused rank.

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 * 1) No Bts.  1358  (Talk) 19:51, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) *I knew something is really missing :D Darth Morrt 21:00, November 9, 2010 (UTC)

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Kuep

 * Nominated by: Hanzo Hasashi 22:37, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments:Time for yet another obscure character nominee.

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 * 1)  OLIOSTER  (talk) 19:24, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

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 * 1) "The card's statistics portray the character as average." Average what? Please explain. 1358  (Talk) 19:58, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) *Changed to explain how he had average abilities. Hanzo Hasashi 21:03, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) **Could you elaborate a bit more on these abilities? What abilities, specifically? 1358  (Talk) 19:36, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'll make the lack of humanness a formal objection. Again, see here, particularly Havac's comment. For what it's worth, I would have objected to Evax had I seen the nomination at the time. Menkooroo 04:54, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Alright, will change accordingly, as I will do for Nar Millich. Hanzo Hasashi 16:03, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

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 * Have removed him being Bespinian, because just because he was a Bespin Wing Guard, doesn't necessarily make that his homeworld. Lando's homeworld was Socorro. Nor is he necessarily human, as opposed to one of several humanoid species. Hanzo Hasashi 22:37, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wasn't there a CT about Human lookalikes to be considered Humans until proven otherwise, per the supposed authorias intent? If the author would have liked him being other than Human, he surely mentiones it on the card. Darth Morrt 02:15, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * I dunno, I looked at the Evax article a while back after it became a good article, and upon reading the nomination, him just appearing human was not good enough proof that he was human as opposed to a Clawdite changeling IIRC.Hanzo Hasashi 03:20, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * It's an unofficial but widely-accepted policy: If it looks like a duck... Menkooroo 04:02, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * To be safe, at least for now, I am going to leave things open to the possibility that Kuep could be something else. I looked at the Evax page, a good article, a few seconds ago, and still they do not mention him being human, just leave his species blank. Hanzo Hasashi 21:24, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Nar Millich

 * Nominated by: Hanzo Hasashi 22:50, November 9, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments:

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 * 1)  OLIOSTER  (talk) 19:18, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

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 * Have used this SH forum to decide to source his card image for his being human, upon several other users' requests. Hanzo Hasashi 16:14, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know this card game very well, but isn't it possible that this guy is intended to be Shann Childsen? He seems to be similar, considering this game's not-too-good graphic. IIRC, this card game recreated scenes from the films. Are there other examples in this game for creating new characters out of the blue? Darth Morrt 20:57, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * As a matter of fact, I always thought he was similar to Shann Childsen myself. And it even looks like he's in Detention Block AA 23. There are plenty of characters created out of the blue in the Premier branch of the JKTC, going to the page you can find many characters created for the card game who have been neglected by every other source in existence. Hanzo Hasashi 22:47, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

Permafrost crystal

 * Nominated by:  OLIOSTER  (talk) 17:45, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Ambiguity from SWG!

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 * 1)  1358  (Talk) 20:07, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

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Mother Queen

 * Nominated by:  OLIOSTER  (talk) 23:44, November 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: None

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 * 1)  1358  (Talk) 16:31, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

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 * If anyone knows of any other categories this article could belong in, please don't hesitate to note them, or even add them yourself.  OLIOSTER  (talk) 23:47, November 10, 2010 (UTC)

Apple slug

 * Nominated by: ~ SavageBob 23:41, November 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: What's worse than finding an apple slug in your apple? Finding half of one. (More canonized concept art to boot!) ~ SavageBob 23:41, November 11, 2010 (UTC)

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 * 1) Mmm...food
 * 2) *I think we should use 'creature' instead of 'animal'.
 * 3) *Some context on Coruscant, please?
 * 4) *Quotation marks (") go after periods and commas.
 * 5) *Lacks a first mention/appearance template.
 * 6) * 1358 (Talk) 19:47, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

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Rucksack of the Tusken King

 * Nominated by:  OLIOSTER  (talk) 19:23, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Wouldn't you look awesome wearing the skull of a krayt?!

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 * 1)  1358  (Talk) 20:01, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

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 * 1) From the Rucksack of Xd1358
 * 2) * The entire article, including the intro, needs to be sourced since there is more than one source.
 * 3) **Should be sufficiently sourced now.  OLIOSTER  (talk) 19:51, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) * "The Rucksack of the Tusken King was a backpack crafted from the skull of a young krayt dragon owned by the Tusken King, leader of a Tusken Raider tribe." Was the dragon owned by the king?
 * 5) **Clarified that the pack was the only thing owned by the King.  OLIOSTER  (talk) 19:51, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) * Some small context on Mos Espa, please?
 * 7) **Noted that it was a city on the planet Tatooine.  OLIOSTER  (talk) 19:51, November 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) * 1358 (Talk) 19:40, November 12, 2010 (UTC)

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