Talk:Gial Ackbar/Legends

Quote
In all likelihood, don't you think "it's a trap" is a quote that better represents Ackbar than a vague commercial line?--199.79.168.160 06:39, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * "It's a trap" reveals nothing about Ackbar's character. -- SFH 15:20, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * True, but it's much more well known. When the average person thinks of Ackbar, they think of "It's a trap", not of another line he only said in a short lived video game commercial. --199.79.168.160 01:07, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Quotes are not about being well know, it's about describing the person. And the quote is also in The New Essential Guide to Weapons and Technology, on the cluster bomb page. -- SFH 01:29, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * And "It's a Trap" is over at Battle of Endor, where it does have a place to go. -- SFH 22:21, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that a quote by the character is more essential. ESPECIALLY a quote that was actually in the movie. And yes, I do think that "IT'S A TRAP!" summarizes Ackbar perfectly.

It's a Trap
Does this really add anything? It should probably be moved to the brewing "pop culture influences" article. This article is also very dry on details. --SparqMan 21:08, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Retreat
Actually, Admiral Ackbar did order a retreat, after the Death Star II made it's first shot. Lando argued that they stay, and give Han and Leia more time to bring down the Shield Generator. -- SFH 23:50, 7 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Attention! Vandilism alert!-User:Remoh

Birth
What is the source for Ackbar's birth? -- SFH 23:39, 27 Dec 2005 (UTC)

New Military Campaign section
I typed that up using a variety of sources, including the New Essential Chronology. I felt that Ackbar's section was too brief and that everything should not be included under biography. I will clean up the bio section so that there is not a ton of repeated info in the new section. I am curious to see what others think of this new section.

(Note) I did the redesign on the Ackbar section, but I just realized that I was not signed in under my name, AdmiralNick22. Sorry about that. :-)

First appearance
Didn't Ackbar actually first appear in an obscure comic strip that came out before ROTJ, like Boba Fett first appeared in the Holiday Special? Lieutenant Gerard 22:10, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, you're right, he did; he was in one of the newspaper strips. Don't recall which one, though. jSarek 09:41, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

Date of Birth/Death
I'm not sure if his birth date is known but his year of death shouldn't be too hard to find...

-It says Ackbar died shortly before the reclamation of Coruscant, but didn't they say in the book that he got to see the Alliance win? 75.134.138.206 22:39, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Nonsense?
"Ackbar also bonded with Anakin Solo at a early age, affectionately calling him "my little fish", due to the boy's love of water."

I don't think this is true. It seems like added nonsense to me. Is it true? Huntersquid 19:55, 27 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Actually, it is totally factual. First off, Ackbar bonded with the child according to Dark Apprentice. During Ackbar's visit to Anoth, before his self exile to Mon Calamari, he is playing with the child and holding it in his lap. As for the "my little fish", that comes from Before the Storm. The book shows Ackbar a close friend of the Solo family. The book mentions that Ackbar refers to Anakin as "my little fish" on page 33 (paperback edition). Her is the exact quote:

BTS, pg. 33 The kids could play- Anakin had suddenly begun to love the water so much that Ackbar proudly called him "my little fish"- or just cling to Mom and Dad, while for Leia and Han it was therapy, a sigh of relief at the end of a long day.

When you are as huge a Ackbar fan as me, you remeber those little details. :-) AdmiralNick22 00:06, 28 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry, I accidentally read Anakin Skywalker! Stupid of me. BTW I think the Mon Calamari Cruisers, race, Admiral Ackbar, Dac and even squids in real life to be super cool! Consider yourself a role model for people who have an interest in the Mon Calamari! Huntersquid 22:57, 11 March 2006 (UTC)


 * No problem. It is nice to know that there are other Mon Calamari fans out there as well. :-) AdmiralNick22 18:27, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism
Someone keeps putting " Ackbar is back" in caps. Stop. User: Smickin Awesome 10:50, 03 March 2006
 * It was in all caps when first added -- maybe that's how it was printed in the novel? &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 08:01, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It is. QuentinGeorge 08:52, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it was me. I wrote it exactly as it apepars in the novel. In Destiny's Way, the code ACKBAR IS BACK was broadcast to all NR military units. It was a cause of celebration. In the book, Walter Jon Williams writes it as "ACKBAR IS BACK". Therefore, I am perfectly justified in posting it as such. So Smickin Awesome, don't change it! AdmiralNick22 14:58, 4 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't know. User: Smickin Awesome 3:08, 05 March 2006

I swear by all thats holy...
You know, it it not even funny anymore. People that wreck these articles that we all put alot of time into are really getting on my nerves. Isn't there a Wiki feature that allows us to lock this article off so that no one can fuck with it anymore? AdmiralNick22 23:17, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * There was a vote a while back regarding locking currently featured articles, but it was decided against doing it.  StarNeptune  23:20, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It is just so rude when people go about wrecking articles. I suppose that is the main drawback to a online encyclopedia than anyone can edit. AdmiralNick22 23:21, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * We have been having way too much trouble with this article in recent days. Changing of the damn quote, this "Akbar" troll&mdash;I really believe that we should consider locking it for at least the next few days. -- SFH 02:14, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

WHAT IS ADMIRAL ACKBAR'S FIRST NAME??
 * It's unknown or he doesn't have one. He asks to he called simply Ackbar in one of the Jedi Academy book when he resigns from NR military.  -Finlayson 01:26, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Rescue
Is there any way to rescue the raid in the Eriadu system with the raid above Corulag? X-Wing depicts one, Empire at War depicts another. Maybe the fleet was going to Corulag from Eriadu? Cutch 15:18, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
 * HELLOOOOOOO? Cutch 03:11, 12 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe people would respond if I vandalized the article? Hmmm? Just kidding. But seriously, guys, got any input? Cutch 03:11, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Quite simply, the Empire at War one should be disregarded. It has been established in several sources that Ackbar was rescued during a assault on Tarkin's shuttle. And I don't buy that BS that states Ackbar was rescued only to be captured and rescued again over Corulag. Empire at War screwed alot of continuity. I say delete any mention of the rescue over Corulag. AdmiralNick22 04:24, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I've re-written and expanded some of his enslavement and rescue at Eriadu based on X-wing. I've also moved the bit about the Alliance being happy up here rather than leaving it after the second rescue (they'd have been happy in the first place). But you're right, the Corulag bit doesn't make any sense (the article doesn't even say that he was captured again, just rescued twice). By the way, what sources (other than EAW) mention Corulag, because the Databank only mentions the Eriadu one? Green Tentacle (Talk) 21:36, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Redesigning this Article

 * I'm pretty much working on major expansions of this article as I have done per Leia Organa Solo, Luke Skywalker, and Wedge Antilles. There is so much information about this character that needs included. I don't think that having the military campaigns section reads well and plan to either reduce it or leave it as is. It's also incomplete. On every other character, (including Thrawn, his Imperial counterpart), the campaigns are included as part of the bio, so that's how I'm going to write it. Any objectors can post here or on my talk page. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Audience Chamber ) 17:38, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we could use some campaigns in the bio. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 19:36, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, since I have put major work into the Ackbar article, I figured I would chime in. First off, I am curious as to what major bits of info are not already included. Secondly, the campaigns section was written by me as well, with quite a bit of effort. I have been complimented on the section, as it breaks down Ackbar's major campaigns in service to the New Republic. If you want to transplant the info directly into the bio, I have no problem. But, I will argue against removing it from the article overall. AdmiralNick22 01:38, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The destruction of the Vendetta over Anoth is not listed. The First Corellian Insurrection gets not even a nod. The Thrawn section needed major work, as did the campaign against Krennel, in my humble opinion. I'll eventually move all the campaign info to the bio section as that more specifically follows other major characters' articles. I'm not downing your writing- it was pretty good. I will transplant the info and expand it as is my wont. My goal here recently has been to take the major characters' articles to a new level of quality- see Luke Skywalker. That's all I'm doing. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Audience Chamber ) 05:09, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I beleive Ackbar came back in 28 or 29 ABY. If so, shouldn't the year ranges on his retirement and return match that?  -Fnlayson 05:18, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Like I said, WIP. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Audience Chamber ) 05:21, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No biggie. Never said fix it now.  I asked so it won't get forgotten, by others and me. -Fnlayson 05:25, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. I'm watching this page, so it'll definitely draw my attention. If I forget, just remind me. I actually have borrowed the NEGTC, so I'm using it while I still can! Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Audience Chamber ) 05:27, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

Tragedy and triumph section (was Triumph and Tragedy)
The first Corellian insurrection occured after the final campaign between Ackbar and Pellaeon, not before. The NEC and the older EC say that the reason few New Republic warships were available during the Corellian crisis is because they were either undergoing repairs or already assigned patroling the borders of the Imperial Remnant. I think we need to edit that. AdmiralNick22 01:38, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, shouldn't this be called "Tragedy and Triumph"? The section starts in a bad part of Ackbar's life and ends at one of his finest acchievements. AdmiralNick22 01:40, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds right. I'll change the section label.  If anyone has a better name, let's hear it.  -Fnlayson 03:25, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops! Got a little carried away with copy/paste. My mistake. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Audience Chamber ) 03:32, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I broke up the last paragraph and put parts in order with the 1st Corellian Insur. However, I removed mention of the Battle of Gravlex Med, since that didn't fit.  That's happened in 13 ABY and I don't see a place for it right now.  -Fnlayson 13:53, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. I put it like it was because that's how it was listed in the NEGTC. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Audience Chamber ) 13:59, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Sure. Does it have anything on Ackbar fighting Imperial forces in the 12-15 ABY time frame?  -Fnlayson 14:09, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Not really, unless you mean Daala. I still need to add that battle over Yavin from Darksaber, and Ackbar's other actions during that time. It goes from Daala to Black Fleet. It places the campaign against Pellaeon concurrent with the First Corellian Insurrection and calls the EX-F the Glory of Yevetha. It says he commanded from the SSD Guardian during that campaign. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Audience Chamber ) 14:35, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yea Daala then Pellaeon. I mean mainly in the 12-13 ABY time frame.  They had mostly peace for a couple years after that. -Fnlayson 14:44, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The timeline in here has Daala at 12-13 ABY. Other than that, nothing else around those years. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Audience Chamber ) 14:46, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Main Image
I reuploaded the infobox image to combat vandalism (revert didn't seem to have worked) but now it seems to be off-center in the box. Is that just me, or is that a problem that needs to be fixed? Havac 06:51, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Opps, I mistakenly re-reverted the File:Ackbar CloseUp.jpg right after you did. Looks like I reverted the same version as you did.  The file size and all is the same.  -Fnlayson 07:07, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Anon Question
''Is a Mon Calimari's head hard and shell-like or somewhat squishy? Enquiring minds must know!''
 * (The following reposted here by Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Audience Chamber ) on 04:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC))
 * To answer your question: Mon Cals are stated to have skulls in one of the books, and I'm assuming NEGAS would say more. I assume they are somewhat like human heads, but squid-shaped. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Audience Chamber ) 04:15, 28 December 2006 (UTC)

Change it back
I expect uve noticed by now, but someone has replaced the pictures of ackbar with pictures of themself. Can u correct this?
 * It's some idiot uploading random pictures over the Ackbar ones. It should be fixed now. If not, try right-clicking and clicking Refresh or Reload, depending on your browser. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 17:45, 16 January 2007 (UTC)

When did he reach admiral level?
From the article i gauge that it is sometime between Yavin and Endor, but was it before or after Hoth? Also, when was Home One under his command? Right from the get go or later? Woolamander 16:22, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Behind the Scenes
Akbar is a Muslim word for "The Great". Maybe that should be added. Darth Oompy 15:03, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Such things should only be added if we can provide a source that it is what the character was named after. Green Tentacle (Talk) 15:11, 25 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I believe his name may have been inspired by Akbar the Great, who was considered a military genius. Bodo-Baas 02:39, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

I added some text to the section talking about whether Ackbar was his given name or surname, and in the text referenced my source, but I don't know how to properly edit the Wiki to insert the footnote, sorry. Blackcatf 21:45, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

accuracy problems
in ACKBAR IS BACK, it states that his plan used the Solo twins and other Jedi to lure the YV to Ebaq 9, where the Smugglers alliance destroyed the enemy fleet. the smugglers alliance was ONE of >8 fleet squadrons at the battle of Ebaq 9, and even then, the only YV fleet group they destroyed was beaten with the help of 3 Fondor-ian squadrons under Gram Bel Iblis and Luke Skywalker.Darksaber13 23:02, 29 September 2008 (UTC)Darksaber13

pov
the articles tone sounds extremely pro-new republic to me in several areas for example using "liberate" instead of "capture"...i was under the impression that using the term "liberation" for rebel operations was in-universe propaganda and goes against the neutrality policy 00:09, February 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * There is nothing about using the word "liberate" in Wookiepedia:Neutral Point of View, and given that the Empire was unquestionably evil to the population of most of the worlds it held, claiming that the actions of Ackbar should be referred to as anything but liberation could and should well be considered to be pro-Imperial. In short, to use the word liberation is correct, and using the word "capture" or "siezure" would be considered to have rewritten the article from an Imperial point of view. ShadowDragon8685 02:14, March 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * it isn't the editor's job decide whether the empire was "evil" to its population or not and then reflect it in the article. i fail to see how using capture or seizure would appear pro-imperial, it is a fact that many of the worlds ackbar took were taken by force via military action, thus capture is correct per this. also, take a look at this discussion. using the word "liberate when it comes to battles where a planet was taken is inherently POV and im surprised it survived in this article for so long. ASDF1239 Chiss Ascendancy.svg -DISCUSSION- 02:26, March 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, however it is LucasFilm's job to decide whether or not the Empire is Evil. LucasFilm has decided such; and LucasFilm also has decided that the liberation of worlds from the Empire are just that; liberations. Using the word capture or conquer implies that what is being done is unwelcome by those being captured or conquered, and that those doing the capturing or conquering are evil. References to dictionary.com are, additionally, worth nothing whatsoever. ShadowDragon8685 03:09, March 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * it doesn't matter which side lucasfilm intended to be "evil". this encyclopedia's policy dictates neutral point of view. this has been discussed before. the article is supposed to state the facts and leave it to the reader to decide who's right or wrong for themselves. capture or conquer does not imply anything about the feelings of the populace, it only indicates that the planet or location was taken over by force. that is a fact. ASDF1239 Chiss Ascendancy.svg -DISCUSSION- 03:20, March 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * There are plenty of sources that state that the empire is evil.--Chairman Jack the BlackCOGskull.jpg 03:41, March 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * i repeat:it doesn't matter which side lucasfilm intended to be "evil". this encyclopedia's policy dictates neutral point of view. ASDF1239 Chiss Ascendancy.svg -DISCUSSION- 03:46, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

Victory at Ender quote
Admiral Ackbar really did utter the words "It's a Trap!" during the Battle of Endor. It's use in the section of his Wookiepedia article describing the victory at Endor is entirely appropriate. Editing the quote to a different one for no reason other than "how creative" is insufficient, whether or not it was made by an unregistered editor and whether or not you like the way the memorable statement has become a popular internet meme. Ackbar deserves to have "It's a trap!" noted as a quote in that section as much as Rick Astley deserves t have the Rickroll mentioned on his Wikipedia article, because it's so memorable and popular. ShadowDragon8685 02:21, March 19, 2010 (UTC)

De-borification of the main quote
I hereby propose that the current main quote is turdastic in nature, and utterly boring to boot. It says even less about Ackbar's "character" than the commonly suggested replacement, "It's a trap!" Indeed, when examining Admiral Ackbar's place in popular culture, we find that "It's a trap!" is the most important thing about him, and so it is only natural to expect to find that as his main quote, summing up his life and career and whatever. Instead, we are greeted with some statement about something that might have happened at some time and no one's actually interested in or entertained by it and so they just turn off their computers immediately and probably slip into a coma. HOWEVER... I propose that the main quote be brought back to "It's a trap!" with permanency. It is his signature line, it's a bit of fun, it's giving the people what they so clearly want, and so I say let's do it with a good old-fashioned bit of talk page votery. Thefourdotelipsis 15:20, April 28, 2010 (UTC)

"It's a trap!"

 * 1) Thefourdotelipsis 15:19, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) It's a trap. -- 1358  (Talk) 15:20, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) The current quote is a dull piece of political propaganda, and says nothing about Ackbar as a character. --Imperialles 15:26, April 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) ASDF1239 Chiss Ascendancy.svg -DISCUSSION- 02:03, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Current boring quote

 * 1) Menkooroo 02:23, April 29, 2010 (UTC)

Comments
I don't know... the current leading quote sums up, in one clean sentence, that Ackbar played a pivotal role in freeing the galaxy from the Empire's tyranny. And since Ackbar spent most of his adult life fighting against the Empire, and was once a slave himself, I think that it's a pretty good candidate. Leading quotes should be about a character's personality or life achievements, while quotes that are famous in pop culture belong more in behind the scenes. Ackbar only ordered a retreat once... so how does "It's a trap!", a line he uttered at one out of many battles, sum up his life and career? The current leading quote is akin to the leading quote in the Darth Caedus article, among others; making Ackbar's leading quote "It's a trap!" would be like making Jabba's "Bo Shuda", Chewbacca's "RAHHHHRRR!!!!!" or R2-D2's "Beep boop whirr!!" I don't mean to be a buzzkill, but should we really start setting a precedent where we make leading quotes "fun"? Menkooroo 02:23, April 29, 2010 (UTC)