Wookieepedia:AC/Log/2019 December 28

[22:24:28]  Very well, welcome to the AC Meeting 123, gentlemen [22:24:32]  Thank you all [22:24:41]  As always, we'll begin with the old stuff [22:25:02]  https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sith_armada_(Lost_Tribe_of_the_Sith) [22:25:10]  https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8660221 [22:25:17]  https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Sith_armada_(Lost_Tribe_of_the_Sith) [22:25:20]  No changes [22:25:23]  kill [22:25:24] Kill [22:25:25]  Kill [22:25:28]  Kill [22:25:29]  Kill [22:25:42]  Sith armada (Lost Tribe of the Sith) killed [22:26:01]  https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Qiraash/Legends [22:26:06]  https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8660222 [22:26:14]  https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Qiraash/Legends [22:26:35]  Kill [22:26:41] <Ayrehead> Kill [22:26:45] <Tommy-Macaroni> kill [22:26:48] <AnilSerifoglu> Only the first objection seems to be addressed [22:26:48] Kill [22:26:50] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [22:27:02] <AnilSerifoglu> Qiraash/Legends killed [22:27:11] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Fw%27Sen [22:27:15] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8660223 [22:27:19] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Fw%27Sen [22:27:21] <AnilSerifoglu> No changes [22:27:23] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [22:27:23] <Toprawa> Kill [22:27:24] <Tommy-Macaroni> kill [22:27:24] <Ayrehead> Kill [22:27:30] Kill [22:27:37] <AnilSerifoglu> Fw'Sen killed [22:27:48] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Hafa [22:27:51] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8660224 [22:27:55] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Hafa [22:27:58] <AnilSerifoglu> No changes [22:28:00] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [22:28:01] <Toprawa> Kill [22:28:05] <Tommy-Macaroni> kill [22:28:05] <Ayrehead> Kill [22:28:11] Kill [22:28:13] <AnilSerifoglu> Hafa killed [22:28:24] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Krath_Enchanter [22:28:28] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8660225 [22:28:33] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Krath_Enchanter [22:28:35] <AnilSerifoglu> No changes [22:28:35] <Ayrehead> Kill [22:28:36] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [22:28:46] <Tommy-Macaroni> kill [22:28:49] <Toprawa> Kill [22:28:53] Kill [22:28:55] <AnilSerifoglu> Krath Enchanter killed [22:29:04] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Aefan [22:29:07] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8660226 [22:29:12] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Aefan [22:29:15] <AnilSerifoglu> No change [22:29:16] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [22:29:16] <Tommy-Macaroni> kill [22:29:17] <Ayrehead> Kill [22:29:19] <Toprawa> Kill [22:29:41] Kill [22:29:42] <AnilSerifoglu> Aefan killed [22:29:47] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Agee [22:29:51] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8660227 [22:29:56] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Agee [22:29:58] <AnilSerifoglu> No change [22:29:59] <Ayrehead> Kill [22:30:02] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [22:30:03] <Tommy-Macaroni> kill [22:30:19] <Toprawa> Kill [22:30:24] Kill [22:30:26] <AnilSerifoglu> Agee killed [22:30:31] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Chortose_(species) [22:30:35] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8660228 [22:30:40] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Chortose_(species) [22:30:43] <AnilSerifoglu> No change [22:30:44] <Tommy-Macaroni> kill [22:30:45] <Ayrehead> Kill [22:30:49] Kill [22:30:50] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [22:30:58] <Toprawa> Kill [22:31:00] <AnilSerifoglu> Chortose (species) killed [22:31:06] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Delphanian [22:31:10] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8660229 [22:31:14] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Delphanian [22:31:26] <AnilSerifoglu> No significant changes [22:31:28] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [22:31:29] <Ayrehead> Kill [22:31:29] <Tommy-Macaroni> kill [22:31:57] Kill [22:31:57] <Toprawa> Kill [22:32:02] <AnilSerifoglu> Delphanian killed [22:32:07] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ecorb [22:32:12] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8660230 [22:32:22] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Ecorb [22:32:37] <Toprawa> What I've noticed about the attempted fixes on this one: [22:32:50] <Toprawa> Above all else, he still didn't fix the BTS issue, so ultimately I'm voting to kill [22:33:03] <Toprawa> But I don't know what he did exactly with the Citewebs [22:33:19] <Toprawa> He apparently introduced an Amazon reference? Or else he turned an Amazon link into a Citeweb template? [22:33:37] <Toprawa> Which is unnecessary, since we have an Amazon template, but I don't know why one would even need to use Amazon there [22:33:46] <AnilSerifoglu> I think it was meant to be the novel itself [22:34:02] <AnilSerifoglu> The product in question, I mean. Not its Amazon page [22:34:29] <Toprawa> I still don't see that he implemented the template correctly in Ref 3 either, FWIW [22:34:37] <Toprawa> And Anil, you may be right [22:34:48] <Toprawa> In which case we have a specific citation procedure for that, per the MOS [22:34:57] <Toprawa> Citeweb is specifically for citing web pages [22:35:03] <Toprawa> Not product pages of physical books [22:35:09] <Toprawa> If you understand what I mean [22:35:11] <Toprawa> But anyways [22:35:12] <Toprawa> Kill [22:35:16] <AnilSerifoglu> Yes [22:35:18] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [22:35:19] <Ayrehead> Kill [22:35:22] <Tommy-Macaroni> I agree, kill it [22:35:26] Kill [22:35:34] <AnilSerifoglu> Ecorb killed [22:35:56] <AnilSerifoglu> Okee-day, the new stuff: [22:36:03] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Anti-Riot_Tangle_Gun_7 [22:36:09] <AnilSerifoglu> Update needed. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:29, December 27, 2019 (UTC) [22:36:15] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [22:36:19] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [22:36:23] <Toprawa> Probe [22:36:28] <Ayrehead> Probe [22:36:44] Probe [22:36:45] <AnilSerifoglu> Anti-Riot Tangle Gun 7 probed [22:37:28] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Dakar_(port_administrator) [22:37:36] <Toprawa> You missed Raan [22:37:46] <AnilSerifoglu> Oops, sorry [22:37:49] <Toprawa> :P [22:37:57] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Raan_Calrissian [22:38:03] <AnilSerifoglu> 21 BBY cannot be sourced to Star Wars Annual 2011 alone for this article [22:38:03] <AnilSerifoglu> Two redlinks [22:38:03] <AnilSerifoglu> BTS wording regarding Lando should be updated to reflect Legends wording. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:29, December 27, 2019 (UTC) [22:38:09] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [22:38:12] <Toprawa> FYI, anytime you see Star Wars Annual 2011 being used to source a Clone Wars date, that's insufficient [22:38:15] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [22:38:28] probe [22:38:35] <Toprawa> That book just has some very general timeline that places some completely unrelated TCW event in 21 BBY, which I'm not even sure is correct [22:38:43] <Ayrehead> Probe [22:38:46] <Toprawa> The connection being made there for any other subject, such as Raan Calrissian, needs a ref note [22:38:49] <Toprawa> Probe [22:38:53] <AnilSerifoglu> Raan Calrissian probed [22:39:14] <AnilSerifoglu> Is this the next one, Tope? https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Dakar_(port_administrator) [22:39:19] <Toprawa> Yes, sorry [22:39:22] <Toprawa> The link is a disambig [22:39:24] <AnilSerifoglu> Np [22:39:25] <Toprawa> I can fix that on the meeting page [22:39:33] <AnilSerifoglu> Infobox image should be digitized. [22:39:33] <AnilSerifoglu> Is there no other image to be used for the Bio? [22:39:33] <AnilSerifoglu> Article needs to avoid linking to disambig pages [22:39:33] <AnilSerifoglu> BBY date can't be sourced straight to the TOTJ comic [22:39:33] <AnilSerifoglu> Fix redirect [22:39:33] <AnilSerifoglu> BTS: [22:39:33] <AnilSerifoglu> It would be better to mention and detail the specific issue and publication date for the character's first appearance [22:39:33] <AnilSerifoglu> "His sole appearances in Star Wars canon to date" and CSWE sentence should just be removed. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:29, December 27, 2019 (UTC) [22:39:41] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [22:39:45] <Toprawa> Probe [22:39:47] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [22:39:48] <Ayrehead> Probe [22:39:58] probe [22:40:04] <AnilSerifoglu> Dakar (port administrator) probed [22:40:14] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Eckerd [22:40:20] <AnilSerifoglu> Infobox is limited to one cascading bullet [22:40:20] <AnilSerifoglu> I'd probably recommend a paragraph break for the Bio [22:40:20] <AnilSerifoglu> BTS should be rewritten to remove "first" mention phrasing. This character was only mentioned in one source and isn't going to reappear anywhere else now that Legends is defunct. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:29, December 27, 2019 (UTC) [22:40:23] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [22:40:25] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [22:40:25] <Ayrehead> Probe [22:40:28] <Toprawa> Probe [22:40:34] probe [22:40:37] <AnilSerifoglu> Eckerd probed [22:40:43] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Farng [22:40:49] <AnilSerifoglu> Digitize comic images [22:40:49] <AnilSerifoglu> Bio image needs to have its cut-off speech-bubble text whitened out [22:40:49] <AnilSerifoglu> Underlinking throughout [22:40:49] <AnilSerifoglu> BBY dates can't be sourced to TOTJ comic [22:40:49] <AnilSerifoglu> The intro (189 words) is 54% of the Bio's size (348 words), which is a really solid indication that the intro is way too long. [22:40:49] <AnilSerifoglu> The first Bio paragraph could use a break [22:40:49] <AnilSerifoglu> Fix redirect [22:40:49] <AnilSerifoglu> It would be better to mention and detail the specific issue and publication date for the character's first appearance [22:40:49] <AnilSerifoglu> Ref 4 needs to use CSWE Cite. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:29, December 27, 2019 (UTC) [22:40:51] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [22:41:02] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [22:41:10] Probe [22:41:12] <Toprawa> Probe [22:41:16] <Ayrehead> Probe [22:41:17] <AnilSerifoglu> Farng probed [22:41:25] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Gaarn [22:41:31] <AnilSerifoglu> The Bio is only 147 words long, which is insufficient length to warrant an intro for Good article purposes (in accordance with recently passed GAN rule). Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:29, December 27, 2019 (UTC) [22:41:32] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [22:41:46] <Ayrehead> Probe [22:41:49] <Toprawa> Probe [22:41:50] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [22:41:52] probe [22:41:53] <AnilSerifoglu> Gaarn probed [22:41:57] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Herrit [22:42:01] <AnilSerifoglu> Ref 1 doesn't do a good enough job of establishing how this information corresponds to 3-4 ABY exactly. Specific sources need to be cited for this information. [22:42:01] <AnilSerifoglu> These ABY dates are also exclusive to the infobox [22:42:01] <AnilSerifoglu> General underlinking throughout [22:42:01] <AnilSerifoglu> Article needs to be revised for rank capitalization, per Manual of Style [22:42:01] <AnilSerifoglu> Article is 1,112 words long, and I still think the intro should be expanded. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:29, December 27, 2019 (UTC) [22:42:05] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [22:42:08] <Toprawa> Probe [22:42:13] <Ayrehead> Probe [22:42:13] <Tommy-Macaroni> prove [22:42:14] Probe [22:42:15] <Tommy-Macaroni> *v [22:42:18] <Tommy-Macaroni> *b [22:42:21] <Tommy-Macaroni> duh [22:42:23] <AnilSerifoglu> Herrit probed [22:42:36] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Nemrileo_irm-Drocubac [22:42:42] <AnilSerifoglu> BBY dates can't be sourced straight to Approaching Storm [22:42:42] <AnilSerifoglu> Article needs to follow Manual of Style's rule of rank/title capitalization, particularly in regard to the term "Senator" [22:42:42] <AnilSerifoglu> It's unnecessary to repeat the character being Tanjayan between the Bio and P/T [22:42:42] <AnilSerifoglu> BTS is unsourced. Last sentence should just be removed. [22:42:42] <AnilSerifoglu> Ref 2 needs to use CSWE Cite. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:29, December 27, 2019 (UTC) [22:42:45] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [22:42:47] <Ayrehead> Probe [22:42:50] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [22:42:50] <Toprawa> Probe [22:42:52] Probe [22:43:08] <AnilSerifoglu> Nemrileo irm-Drocubac (wtf?) probed [22:43:18] <Toprawa> heh [22:43:18] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ash_Jarvee [22:43:24] <AnilSerifoglu> Some underlinking [22:43:24] <AnilSerifoglu> Intro could use a paragraph break [22:43:24] <AnilSerifoglu> First Bio paragraph could use a break [22:43:24] <AnilSerifoglu> The Bio is big enough that it should be subsectioned, which will allow for additional images and/or quotes if available. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:29, December 27, 2019 (UTC) [22:43:26] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [22:43:27] <Toprawa> Probe [22:43:29] Probe [22:43:33] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [22:43:35] <Ayrehead> Probe [22:43:36] <AnilSerifoglu> Ash Jarvee probed [22:43:43] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kharr [22:43:49] <AnilSerifoglu> Digitize image [22:43:49] <AnilSerifoglu> It's really rather redundant in the intro and Bio to say that he's a Cathar "male" in the same sentence that goes on to use male pronouns to describe him. We can avoid this rigid sentence structure for the sake of a cleaner read. [22:43:49] <AnilSerifoglu> BBY date can't be sourced straight to the TOTJ comic [22:43:49] <AnilSerifoglu> BTS needs to be revised/updated to replace the "first and only appearance in Star Wars canon" wording in lieu of the Legends change [22:43:49] <AnilSerifoglu> It would be better to mention and detail the specific issue and publication date for the character's first appearance. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:29, December 27, 2019 (UTC) [22:43:51] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [22:43:53] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [22:43:57] <Ayrehead> Probe [22:43:59] <Toprawa> Probe [22:44:14] Probe [22:44:16] <AnilSerifoglu> Kharr probed [22:44:22] <AnilSerifoglu> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Siege_of_Mandalore [22:44:28] <AnilSerifoglu> The should be mentioned in BTS. Imperators II(Talk) 18:40, December 27, 2019 (UTC) [22:44:28] <AnilSerifoglu> Events in the prev, conc, and next fields of the infobox need to be referenced properly. Imperators II(Talk) 19:31, December 27, 2019 (UTC) [22:44:40] <AnilSerifoglu> This will also require a huge update in February per TCW [22:44:47] <Toprawa> Yeah, def [22:44:49] <Toprawa> Probe [22:44:51] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [22:44:53] <Tommy-Macaroni> probe [22:44:55] <Ayrehead> Probe [22:45:00] probe [22:45:21] <AnilSerifoglu> Also, needs an update per the latest Mando episode [22:45:23] <AnilSerifoglu> Siege of Mandalore probed [22:45:42] <AnilSerifoglu> Nothing new in the bin [22:45:58] <AnilSerifoglu> Any discussion items? [22:46:08] <Toprawa> Did you want to do the thing? [22:46:28] <Toprawa> The diagram? [22:46:29] <AnilSerifoglu> I'll go ahead then [22:46:32] <AnilSerifoglu> Yeah [22:47:04] <AnilSerifoglu> As you know, our nomination rules recently got a significant update [22:47:42] <AnilSerifoglu> So, I propose this diagram to be added to the nomination rules to clarify things for new editors: [22:47:56] <AnilSerifoglu> https://ibb.co/8DYWrGs [22:48:22] <Toprawa> I have a question about the diagram, unless you wanted to explain it some more first [22:48:32] <AnilSerifoglu> Go ahead, please [22:48:46] <Toprawa> Actually, nevermind [22:49:14] <Toprawa> What you've got there is solid [22:49:17] <Ayrehead> Looks good to me [22:49:27] <Toprawa> I would just change 1000+ to "1000+ words" for clarification [22:49:37] <AnilSerifoglu> Will do [22:49:42] The diagram looks good to me. [22:49:43] <Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah, looks nice to me [22:49:45] <Tommy-Macaroni> Good work [22:50:05] <AnilSerifoglu> Thank you, alright then, time to vote it [22:50:07] <Toprawa> And the more we work with this, the more I do think this should be added to the LG as a site-wide rule as we were discussing [22:50:37] <Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah I agree [22:50:41] <AnilSerifoglu> ^ [22:50:43] <Tommy-Macaroni> Anyway, support [22:50:45] <AnilSerifoglu> Support [22:50:49] <Toprawa> Support [22:51:16] <Toprawa> Imperators votes Support in absentia [22:51:18] support [22:51:40] <AnilSerifoglu> Ayrehead? [22:51:46] <Ayrehead> Support [22:51:51] <AnilSerifoglu> The motion for the proposed diagram passes [22:52:01] <AnilSerifoglu> Anything else, my fellow ACs? [22:52:06] <Toprawa> Not from me [22:52:08] Not from me. [22:52:09] <Ayrehead> Nothing from me [22:52:42] <Tommy-Macaroni> nah [22:52:53] <AnilSerifoglu> Alright then, this concludes the AC Meeting 123, thank you for attending [22:52:59] <Toprawa> Meeting duties :P [22:53:03] <AnilSerifoglu> Imperators II does paperwork and schedules next meeting [22:53:07] <Toprawa> Thanks :P [22:53:10] <Toprawa> Good job, Anil [22:53:13] <Toprawa> Thanks for hosting [22:53:27] <Tommy-Macaroni> Cool, thanks for hosting Anil [22:53:29] <Ayrehead> Thanks Anil! [22:53:37] <AnilSerifoglu> Your welcome