User talk:Toprawa and Ralltiir

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Re:Koffi
Sorry about that, I'd forgotten to check on it yesterday. I've stricken the objections. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 20:18, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Re: FAN
Thanks for pointing that out; I could have sworn that I did, but apparently I didn't. :P  CC7567  (talk) 01:09, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Removal of Style
Hi there,

I'm unclear of how the inclusion of the "Style" section on [[Monarch of Naboo][ violates style guidelines, and I'm further unclear on why its removal is warranted, as opposed to some sort of cleanup.

Cheers, ~ Michael von Preußen (voicemail)
 * Well, I'm sure when you first signed up with Wookieepedia you took the time to read the welcome message one of our administrators was generous enough to leave for you, which includes several links to Wookieepedia policy pages, including our Manual of Style and Layout Guide. Those should adequately answer all of your questions. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:36, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I have read the Manual of Style several times over, and used it as a base for MoSs on other wikis where none had previously been developed. I still do not see how it forbids the section I added, or any part thereof.  If you could kindly take the time to explain how it does, I would be quite appreciative.  Thanks, ~ Michael von Preußen (voicemail)
 * Evidently you didn't read it closely enough. I really don't even know where to begin, if you really cannot see how incredibly contrary that edit was to every tenet of style this wiki operates under. Have you ever read one of our Featured articles before? Or any of our in-universe articles, for that matter? Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:42, May 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, that's why I don't edit here. The rules are stupid, and when I ask for clarifications on how they apply, I get dry wit and rude sarcasm.  I find your lack of civility disturbing. ~ Michael von Preußen (voicemail)
 * Funny, because I find your lack of common-sense comprehension skills just as stupid. All you have to do is read any one of our articles, compare what you wrote to them, and see where you went wrong. You won't find an easier case of judgment on the entire wiki. Any one of our many talented editors would be able to point out your mistakes, but somehow this is a challenge for you and you alone. But that's the beauty of Wookieepedia. Our fine little wiki is really quite effective at rooting out and exposing the less intelligent among us. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:05, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

No, you never called me stupid at all. You just said that I had "lack of common-sense" and that you had "root[ed] out and expos[ed] the less intelligent among us". This isn't about the reversion of the edit; it's about the perpetual rudeness you have displayed and the conflict of interest you created in an attempt to prevent me from filing a complaint about it. I personally am at a total loss to see how I can make over 25,000 edits on other wikis, being an administrator myself on three of them, and never encounter any problems, and yet every time I come here I'm treated like my contributions are utterly worthless. I guess it just goes to show the attitude of the people here. That's the reason I only show up once every few months, by the way: it's because the administration has generally shown itself to be rude, obnoxious, and biased. Even when I specifically ask for help; when I ask, "what am I doing wrong?", I get treated like and called an idiot. So don't worry about me showing up and "causing problems" here. I've given Wookieepedians enough chances to stop acting like dickheads to ever bother editing here again. ~ Michael von Preußen (voicemail)
 * You're absolutely right. I think it has been established beyond a reasonable doubt that you do in fact lack common sense, and yes, Wookieepedia is a wonderful natural intelligence exam, which you have now failed on no less than four occasions. You're perfectly welcome to start an NB forum against someone who has actually committed a personal attack against you. You will not, however, start an NB forum to whine because you, once again, can't play nice with someone over something in which you are the provocateur. And let it be very clear, no one on this wiki gives a damn about anything you do on any other wiki or website on the Internet. We don't care how many wikis you're an administrator on. You are judged solely by your editing contributions here on Wookieepedia. And if you can't fit within our mold, that's your problem. So Wookieepedians are rude and obnoxious to you? Well, son, that's just tough, isn't it? This is the Internet. People are only going to give you the same level of respect that you give them. Besides the fact that you are the cause of your own strife, not anyone else, you better learn to get over it if you have any hopes of functioning in the real world, much less Wookieepedia, because I have my doubts for you. Toprawa and Ralltiir 23:20, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

Re:Warning
I know what racist means for one. Second of all, other users were attack me with words. Our wiki is just as important as your's. You're letting them attack me and my wiki. Spongebob Fanon Wiki won't deal with personal attacks from Wookieepedia. I think that my opinion matters as much as anyone's. --Bigman602, The Cool Guy 05:26, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

I don't think you realized it but a high population of Wookieepedians has insulted both wikis and came over and Vandalized/Spammed/Harrassed people over there, and if it continues, we will take action. And since alot of Wookieepedians have done it, Wookieepedia will suffer a great punishment if it continues. Bigman602, The Cool Guy 05:35, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Your comments

 * Changed, but I stand by my comments. I also have trouble believing this guy ISN'T just a massive troll.  OLIOSTER  (talk) 10:18, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

Block on Lele Mj
I don't understan why I have been blocked. Could you explain, please? I'm kinda new in this wiki...  Lele Mj  ( Holoprojetor ) 13:38, May 16, 2010 (UTC) Well, when I was editing, a message appeared on the top of the page saying that someone had used my ID (I think it was it) in some forum and had been agressive. Than it had something about a block and it sayed that I should talk to Toprawa and Ralltiir if I had any objections. I don't recall everything in it, sorry.  Lele Mj  ( Holoprojetor ) 20:43, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * According to the block log, your account has not been blocked on Wookieepedia. -- 1358  (Talk) 13:47, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Yes, on Wookiepedia. Don't recall the page, but when I started to edit this message appeared. I thin it was this Bigman602 they are talking in the message below.  Lele Mj New_Jedi_Order.svg ( Holoprojetor ) 20:51, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay, sorry if I disturbed you.  Lele Mj New_Jedi_Order.svg ( Holoprojetor ) 21:07, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Bigman602
Who is Bigman602 and why am I blocked because of him? The block message I got says that he used my IP address to harrass other users. Does this mean that he hacked my account?  Gethralkin  Hyperwave 20:48, May 16, 2010 (UTC) That was very mean what you did to Bigman you should appologize. Pоnyo Fan 23:32, May 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * It might be a weird glitch. I am able to edit again.  Gethralkin  Hyperwave 20:52, May 16, 2010 (UTC)

You still haven't appologized please appoloigze asap 66.160.159.40 15:27, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Pleeeeease!!!!!! 66.160.159.40 18:43, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * Annoying admins is childish.&mdash; BobaFett1 Bounties collected Jaster's Feather.svg 19:20, May 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * So is spamming my talk page. The next person who edits this thread to discuss this episode is going to sit the rest of this day on the sidelines. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:23, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

Problem
Why did you ban Bigman can you just please tell me that? Law Giver 16:59, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

RE: TC
Hey, Toprawa. I've made certain everything has been transferred over to SWFans, including the two images, and the history of the article. The article and two images are ready for deletion. I'll be on IRC for a few minutes, if you have any questions. &mdash; Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 20:08, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Spongebob Fanon Wiki
Hey, just thought you should know someone is impersonating you on Spongebob Fanon Wiki. Thanks. Squid the Baptist 21:20, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't understand. Squid the Baptist 21:30, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wo, wo, wo. Hold up.  Don't say it's too complicated for me!  I'm smarter than you think.  That's really insulting.  I just simply don't understand your phrasing.  How is this possible? Squid the Baptist 21:38, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Also I'd like to know why you made that video. It's... creepy. Squid the Baptist 21:44, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I think I understand. How did you figure out he's Russian?  Do you have his IP?  Because we could really use that right now. Squid the Baptist 21:45, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * If I make you an administrator, can you help me ban him? Squid the Baptist 21:47, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * We've been in contact with Wikia over this but they haven't been very helpful. Will you help me if I make you an administrator? Squid the Baptist 21:49, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, how can I make you an administrator? Squid the Baptist 21:51, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * But I'm the only one online. How do I make you an administrator? Squid the Baptist 21:53, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. What can I do to become a bureaucrat? Squid the Baptist 21:56, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Would you be able to make me one of those or do I have to ask someone else? Also do I have to have a certain amount of edits before I can become a bureaucrat or can anyone become one? Squid the Baptist 22:00, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, thank you. I'll try and become a bureaucrat immediately.  Thank you again for all of your help and may the sponge be with you. Squid the Baptist 22:03, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, what about your video? Did you upload that or was that that vandal? Squid the Baptist 22:10, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * But this was on YouTube, not Spongebob Fanon Wiki. Squid the Baptist 22:13, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Weird. His voice sounded like it could be you judging from your picture. Squid the Baptist 22:16, May 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Someone was just on IRC and impersonated you. I tried to get him to reveal who he was but he kept saying it was you.  Also, do you know anything about what Trak said on my talk page? Squid the Baptist 23:16, May 18, 2010 (UTC)

Clyngunn

 * Source list and footnotes updated. Indeed, Clyngunn only appears in issues #2 to #4. We could also consider an indirect mention in #1, as there's a point when Karrde talks about his "guest list" that will eventually include Clyngunn. But that is quite a far-fetched mention to Clyngunn, and even more to his species. Hope you're pleased with the edition. Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:15, May 19, 2010 (UTC)

Tahv / Mont Saint-Michel
I have a question about the Tahv article. I'm new, but I just don't understand. Perhaps it's not the good place for this, but I will try. Why did the references to the french commune Le Mont-Saint-Michel were removed ? No, honestly and without joke, I truly thought it was obvious. Since the Mont-Saint-Michel is on Wikipedia,it's not hard to verify it. For response, I had a thing like "if the author don't say he took the Mont-Saint-Michel as a model, then it's not the case". So, a comparison bewteen two shots can't be used for something like this ?--Le Passant 19:27, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * If I understand what you're saying, it's not that a comparison can't be made, it's that we typically try not to make out-of-universe, real-world connections/comparisons to things unless they are specifically mentioned by an author or other VIP to be inspired by someone or something. I haven't looked at this specific instance, but I'm guessing the connection you see probably isn't so clear to others, and appears to be your own individual analysis. Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:31, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * Okay, I understand now why. But the fact is that, with a single picture from the Wikipedia page, the thing is obvious. You can even count the towers and windows. It's not a little, vague comparison. But since I can't provide a link (the system does not let me)to a shot of the locality, I think I just have to let people search and see.--Le Passant 20:12, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Clone Galen Marek
Why did u delete the page on Clone Galen Marek? We all know that he is a clone so why not have a page about it. I mean seriously it makes no sence!--Superchubby 20:45, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

Answer the question!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11--Superchubby 21:23, May 20, 2010 (UTC)

I don't get your decisions regarding TSLRP vs TSLRCM
I'm posting here because your name is under the result-of-the-debate decisions on these trash compactor pages, and I just don't understand them. On the RP page it's "No consensus" but the other was "Overwhelming consensus to remove the article, no consensus to delete or merge, defaulting to redirect/merge". The result of which is that TSLRCM was removed and TSLRP was not. This is completely baffling to me, because both discussions have the same things: lots of "delete" and "merge" votes. On the RP debate, not a single vote was "keep". So where's the lack of consensus to delete? This seriously grates, especially since both discussions happened at the same time, followed the same pattern and are about essentially the same thing (if you discount that RP is vaporware and CRM is a very real and popular mod that people are playing).--Markus Ramikin 09:58, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * The first thing you need to know is how our Consensus policy works for Consensus track and Trash compactor forums such as these. In order to reach consensus for a decision, and I quote, "Consensus track threads with 10-16 voters will need a 3 to 1 ratio of votes for passage; consensus track threads with 17 to 24 voters will need a 5 to 2 ratio of votes for passage; consensus track threads with more than 25 votes can be passed by a 2:1 ratio of votes/opinions posted on the thread." Neither of these two TC threads reached the appropriate support-oppose ratio level for passage. The RP thread was a 7-6 vote, which is clearly a "no consensus" case. The other was a 12-6-1 vote. Because that forum only received 19 total participatory votes, it required a 5:2, or 2.5:1, ratio for passage; it only achieved a 2:1 ratio, however, so there was no consensus to delete. Ultimately, all CT and TC forum closings fall under administrator discretion. The reason I closed the SLRCM forum as I did was to keep uniform with this decision, since in effect everyone voted to "remove" the article in one form or another, so Grunny decided to take the "default" route and just turn it into a redirect, which is what happened with SLRCM. The reason the RP forum was closed simply as "no consensus" is because, if you notice, that forum was closed first. And I didn't remember Grunny's earlier decision until I closed the second forum to follow suit. The inconsistency is really just my own neglect to keep them the same, and I was aware of the difference, but I wasn't sure anyone would notice or even care. So I apologize if it grates with you. The RP forum could just as easily be turned into a redirect the same way, if that's what people want to do. Changing it would not be difficult. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:13, May 21, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the comprehensive answer, I appreciate it.
 * And yes, consistency is good ;). There is some concern that the two projects, which are very similar and fall under the same policies (failing in notability), are not having those policies applied to them equally. This creates a (no doubt false, but unfortunate) appearance of favoritism. So if you say it's indeed a legal and valid choice for you to default to merge/redirect, then yeah, for what it's worth I think you should do so. Both in the interest of fairness and actually going with the spirit of the vote. After all, every single vote on the RP's TC debate was some variation of "don't keep it", even if it was split up between different ideas of what to do with it afterwards.
 * Disclaimer: I freely admit may be biased, as I am a great fan of Kotor 2 and its Cut Content and it grates me to see the project that restores it get its page deleted but one that doesn't even seem to exist any more promoted over it.
 * Either way, thanks again for the reply. --Markus Ramikin 20:42, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Procedure CT
Hey, Toprawa. Just letting you know that we've tweaked the wording of the CT on procedure so that a reply is not required. The new wording features this clause removed from option one: "All users who have cast votes prior to the desired change to be included are directly contacted and have expressed either their approval or rejection of said change by commenting under their vote, or the alteration to the vote is rendered invalid." Thanks. &mdash; Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 19:53, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Bias
Hello.

I would not prefer to badger you with more TSLRCM and TSLRP related stuff, but on behalf of a large segment of the KOTOR community we feel that we have been wronged.

Simply put, our problem is not that you have established a notability requirement that despite our best efforts TSLRCM has failed to meet. Our problem is the fact that the TSLRP page has not been removed and more links to it have been added.

Our grievances:

1) When attempting to create the TSLRCM page, we were told to fulfill the notability requirements despite adding a great deal of sources that we felt were notable enough (Kotaku, Eurogamer.net, Ars Technica, etc.). We asked for an explanation as to what we were doing wrong, but all we got was a repetition of the same message in a very hostile tone. Only when the article was nominated for deletion was the explanation given. 2) After we received the explanation, we noted that the TSLRP page had no such fulfillment of the notability requirements. We were told by Imperialles that the page in question would also be deleted. It was and thus we believed that fair treatment would be made. However, after our page was deleted, the TSLRP page was not. Apparently no consensus was made. It is worth noting that the split was between deleting the article and merging the article with the cut content article. There was no votes for keeping the article. In other words, there was a consensus to eliminate the article, but not over adding the references of the article to another article. 3) The individual who nominated the TSLRCM page for deletion is Jedimasterfiolli. If you check his userboxes, you will see that "This user supports Team Gizka." This is bias. 4) The links to the TSLRP website are no longer in existence. To be precise, the site administrator moved everything to her own personal site and claims that she will delete the material soon if the remaining Team Gizka member Dashus does not indicated any desire to preserve the site. 5) Another significant user who was pushing for the deletion of the TSLRCM page was Imperialles. He visited our site and claimed that he regarded both TSLRCM and TSLRP as fan projects and that both should be removed from Wookieepedia. However, his actions speak differently than his words. He voted for the deletion of the TSLRCM page, but also voted to have the TSLRP page merged with the cut content section.

We regard this as bias against TSLRCM by users who are either likely or definitely TSLRP supporters who see these two mods as competing. In our FAQ, we deliberately state that TSLRCM is not an attempt to compete with Team Gizka. Essentially the developers of TSLRCM took the phrase "Go make your own restoration if you are not satisfied with TSLRP's progress" literally and made a legitimate alternative. We created our page on Wookieepedia purely to inform the public that a restoration for TSL exists, is complete, and has active support. A lot of us still want to play TSLRP if it ever comes out since it was the mod that established our community. Essentially our problem is not with Team Gizka or TSLRP, but rather with the users who feel that we are attacking the mod they support and are attempting to defend it from that perceived threat.

It is also important to note that with the Team Gizka websites link dead, the common passerby may think that not only is the mod dead but that no one succeeded in that time in restoring the cut content and that TSL remains a broken game. In our view, this would be a sad fate.

I was told that you were given the final authority over the TSLRCM page's deletion because you were unbiased. If so, I ask you to please address these grievances. All we really ask is that TSLRCM receive fair treatment.

Thank you for your time. Lord of Hunger 00:20, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

Wampa
Just wanted to give you a head's up, Tope. I uploaded a new wampa pen image, which shows more of the wampa pen door. Take a look and make sure you approve. Thanks. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 14:36, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * I like the new image, but as the BTS stands now, I think the previous image does a better job of illustrating the text of the "Additional scenes" section, since it literally shows the referenced scene in which C-3PO tears off the sign. But that being said, I'm eventually going to go through and expand/spruce up the article's BTS some. So right now, I really don't care which image is used. Once the BTS is cleaned up, we'll see where we are. Toprawa and Ralltiir 20:53, May 24, 2010 (UTC)

RE: Ravilan
Hey, Toprawa,

You can leave any concerns you have on Obi-wan Jacobi's talk page. Thanks again, —Tommy 9281 22:10, May 24, 2010 (UTC)
 * Hey, just hoping you didn't forget about this guy. Thanks, —Tommy 9281 00:59, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

IRC
Hey, Tope, I'm sorry that I couldn't respond to you or Chack on IRC. I wasn't near my computer. I'm on right now, though. :)  JangFett  (Talk) 02:34, May 30, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Assault on Hoth
There doesn't seem to be any indication of who actually wrote the manual. Paul Murphy is credited with design and development, as he seems to get overall credit for the board game. Aside from that, Peter Corless, Steve Gilbert, Bill Slavicsek, and Michael Stern are all listed under "testing and advice." Xicer9 ( Combadge) 04:36, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * Looking over the changes you made to the article, I noticed you were still missing info from Firest and Rieekan's exchange at the beginning of the rulebook, which you can take a look at here: . His first name of Ledick is also used here, so the Bts is going to need some tweaking as well. Xicer9 Atgar.svg( Combadge) 05:34, June 2, 2010 (UTC)

Gavyn Sykes
Hi there

I saw that you removed the images that were added to http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Gavyn_Sykes&s=wl I respect your action, however wanted to discuss it with you. I think it's a really nice thing that there is this timeline of images from multiple sources, as until today there were no images of Sykes from the Battle for Naboo game on his page. I realize there are quite a few images overall, but maybe you can never have too much of a good thing.

As it looked quite neat all aligned on the left, and didn't add to the length of the page, and there was enough text to go around them all, I hope if you're feeling in a good mood today you're able to agree to revert to the last edit. I won't be silly and undo your changes - you're the boss, but I hope you're able to agree that it doesn't hurt anyone or take up bandwidth, but does add a nice historic element to this little known character.

Let me know what you're able to do, thanks T&R.

Rebellion
Hey Tope,

I feel bad about asking, since you're in the midst of creating a subpage in order to avoid this very thing... but is there any chance of getting info from the Rebellion in-game encyclopedia on Judder Page? Menkooroo 12:21, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * You're the man! Thanks so much. And no rush at all. Menkooroo 23:54, June 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * Much appreciated! Thanks a whole bunch. Menkooroo 00:17, June 14, 2010 (UTC)

Wookiepedian opposistion
I deleted my message about opposing JangFett. I made one dumb mistake. Are you happy now? --Captain ScoutJaingHead.svg Officers Report. 12:55, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * You still maintain the right to oppose the nomination. Just make sure if you leave an opposition comment that it's made fairly. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:58, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Final Apologoy
It's Marauder 09 yet again (If you even remember me), considering that I really fucked up, I decided to wait an entire year before even trying to apologize this last time. I know my IP address was supposed to be banned, but when I found out I could even visit the edit page, I was probably more surprised than you may be now. And rather than making the smoothest move of editing right after I found the edit page available to me, I decided to not do anything up.

I'm not typing this up for the purpose of whining about being banned or to be screaming "Fuck you" 25 billion times for banning me, and I realize I was given an extra chance to be a good editor, and I realize that I screwed up. I just simply want to apologize for any trouble I may have caused here or to anyone else, I was only trying to help out, and I was never intentionally trying to be the little asshole I may have portrayed myself to be. And to add, anything I did to get myself in trouble, it was a mistake and not intentional.

I'm not expecting you to read this or even respond, but if you do, please pardon the cusses, it's a hard thing for me to control.

97.127.99.204 18:53, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

CT change
Hey there. After some discussion, I have altered the wording of the CT to amend WP:NFP. Please have a look and state if you are alright with the change or not. Thanks. --Imperialles 01:07, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Echo Station 3-8
Hey Tope. I think you asked me to leave this request here, if I recall correctly. Anyway, when you get the chance, I need any info whatsoever on Echo Station 3-8 from the ESB radio adaptation and the ESB NPR dramatization - I'm assuming that any info will be a variation on the two quotes that I currently have in the article. Also, judging by the "What links here" feature, the outpost apparently has entries in the Star Wars Encyclopedia and all three editions of A Guide to the Star Wars Universe, but the info (if there even is any) may be included under a general "Echo Station" entry (I'd imagine this will be the case for the SWE, since that's how it was for the CSWE). Thanks for your help. I really appreciate it, and I owe you. Grand Moff Tranner (Comlink) 23:58, June 21, 2010 (UTC)

The Theft of Vader's Helmet
I thought the in-universe articles have priority, and the OOUs use parenthesis, like in the case of Lady Luck and Lady Luck (comic). I would like to use The Theft of Vader's Helmet, since is not conjectural. What else can you suggest as the name of the mission article?Darth Morrt 10:45, June 22, 2010 (UTC)