Talk:Max (bunny)

Canonicitiy
Due to Max's mention in the Dark Forces Saga, i think the noncanon template should be removed. Any objections? --Eyrezer 23:36, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh my goodness! I... I had no idea that Max was verified as canon! You've made my day, Eyrezer. Taking off the non-canon now. :-) -BaronGrackle 02:20, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Canon Courtesy of Abel G Pena. ;) I'm not sure whether I should laugh or cry sometimes... (Ulicus 14:54, 25 July 2006 (UTC))
 * I think cry would be the best option. As much as I love Sam and Max, I can't believe he's Star Wars canon. Green Tentacle (Talk) 10:28, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe they should write a junior novel about how he teams up with Jaxxon, and then both get killed by a Gungan Dark Jedi who was trained by Tremayne...yeah. .  .  .  .  06:06, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it's not *exactly* canon that Max exists. Abel's article is deliberately vague, referring to his partner at Kwenn as a "pint-sized lagomorph."  He was of course *intended* to be Max, but he was careful not to say so explicitly. jSarek 07:51, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Very true, and the Children of the Green Planet species is also deliberately never named, nor is the mysterious galaxy that Senator Grebleips funded an expedition to. :-) -BaronGrackle 08:32, 17 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Relative of the Lepi species perhaps?

Move to Unknown lagomorph
His name is never mentioned in Star Wars canon, so I suggest we move it to "Unknown lagomorph" or something like that. If we do that we should also remove all instances of his name from the article besides the behind the scenes section.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron 20:41, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think Peña's comment, which is linked in the article, is enough to justify who this is. -BaronGrackle 21:36, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Easter egg
Added the new Template:Easteregg that I made in response to "Santa Claus". Hope that should settle things.  Bredd13 comlink  ALTA in a GFFA 04:55, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The reason it was reverted is because Max has been verified as canon (rock on!), and the current easter egg template comes with a non-canon claim. This might be straying, but I'm also not sure whether the Santa Claus article applies as an "easter egg", as it's not something hidden to be found; by the same logic, we could say that Henry Jones is an easter egg, which I don't think he is. -BaronGrackle 14:18, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It has been verified by game designers (part of the Lucasarts licensers) that he is an easter egg and is not canon. That is exaclty what the template is for.  Bredd13 comlink[[Image:Galactic Republic.JPG|25px]]  ALTA in a GFFA 19:55, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Canon is not decided by the game designers. Any comments they make outside of the game are not canon. The Wizards of the Coast article, however, are. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 20:01, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Quotes
Both those quotes need to be sourced. I'm not sure that first one is actually a quote, instead of an excerpt from the OUU article. --Eyrezer 04:22, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It is exactly an excerpt from the article, so it may need to be removed. However, this was my justification for putting it in: it is written in an in-universe context. The article talks about Kyle Katarn's history in a manner very similar to that of our own Wookieepedia articles, with the biographical sections going into no mention of OOU elements such as games, concept drawings, or what have you. The article covering Maw even uses the phrase "pain in the choobies", which we would never use OOU. That being said, I completely understand if it needs to be removed for lack of a specific character saying it. We may want to consider the same for the Repeating blaster article as well. -BaronGrackle 16:22, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Templates, templates
Someone apparently recently created a canon-Easter egg template, and that was the one most recently placed on this page... perhaps the image or title should be changed to differentiate from the other one. Anyway, one has to look for Max to find him in each of his sources, including Peña's abstract referencing of him in the Katarn article. The only problem is, since Max is never specifically named, I'm afraid he also qualifies for the conjecture template (just like Children of the Green Planet), and I'm afraid we may wind up with too many templates crowded at the top of the page. -BaronGrackle 15:03, 23 January 2007 (UTC)

This article is giving me a headache...
Please don't yell at me for this comment... but I would appreciate it if someone agrees with me...--SWME 19:21, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Who deemed this guy canon?
 * 2) This is more of an opinion: I really don't think this article should exist; This guy isn't something that would "fit" in Star Wars.
 * How many times are people going to have to say this? 1) He was in a canon game, 2) Abel Pena referenced him in The Dark Forces Saga, and 3) This site does not cater for individual wants and desires. He's in canon sources, he stays. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 20:21, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 *  Oh fine!--SWME 00:30, 4 March 2007 (UTC) 

Ambiguously canon.
Yes, Max can be found in Jedi Knight: Dark Forces II. But Kyle doesn't necessarily run into him. It's possible, yes. But it's also possible for Kyle to be killed and have to restart the level.

The only thing that can be said to be 100% verified about this character (calling him "Max" is speculative) is what comes from the Dark Forces saga, part 1. The Barons Hed team-up with "Max" is no more canon than saying "Kyle killed the first two mercs with his lightsaber, picked up an ammo refill, shot the third one with his blaster, then ducked behind cover as the final hostile returned fire, grazing his shoulder." It might have happened that way, and it might not have.

The player can bypass the house with Max, the same way that they can complete the game without ever learning Force Protection. No other source confirms that Kyle and Max crossed paths in Barons Hed... so saying that they definitely, inarguably teamed up in Barons Hed is untrue. No source says they did. No source says they didn't. It's ambiguous. -- SM-716 talk? 01:45, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * In Wookieepedia, canon in games is considered the best achievement of a player, that means discovering all secrets, talk to everyone, open all the doors, uncover all quests etc unless they contradict canon or logic. Browse in some articles and you will see. Look at some KOTOR characters. The player can ignore all of them and solve only the main quest, but Wookieepedia say that Revan DID talk AND helped all of them. You can't tag all of them as ambig canon just because some (or even if many) players could ignore or didnt discover them. See for example Griff Vao.
 * As for Griff, myself I didn't see or rescue him in my first game, because I didn't have Mission follow me in a spaceport, in order to trigger Lena appear and speak about the existence of Griff in the game (see the BtS section that explains this). That doesn't mean that Revan's meeting with Griff is amgibuous.
 * Asking for your comprehension, I will revert it back. MoffRebus 09:22, 14 March 2007 (UTC)
 * As I have not played KOTOR or its sequel, I thought it best to leave the related articles in the hands of more knowledgeable editors. Can you please provide a link to the page or CT where the policy you mention was established? I think I should read it for future reference. I had been editing under the impression that all events determined solely based upon player input were considered speculation until a later source confirms them, and that only plot points in the game's narrative (cutscenes, mission briefings, etc.) were canon. I cannot cite any official wiki policy to back that up, I'm afraid-- just a general impression that I was doing things correctly until now. But regarding Max: if that's actually the policy that this wiki adheres to regarding easter eggs in video games, then by that logic, all the ambig tags from this article should be removed. The room in Ice Station Beta and the metallic object in Mos Eisley are no more or less hidden than the rabbit with a Bryar pistol in Barons Hed. In my defense, however, Kyle's encounter with Max is curiously omitted in both the novelization and audio drama. -- SM-716 [[Image:716chiss.gif]] talk? 16:29, 14 March 2007 (UTC)