Talk:Celestial/Legends

the article Centerpoint Station says that the Killiks claim to have built it. This article says that the Killiks claim the Celestials built it. Someone fix the contradiction MoffRebus 23:30, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Connections
Hmmm.... The Celestials have links everywhere. Centerpoint, the Sharu, Maw, the Rakata. Could they be related to Vuffi Raa's creators? Or the Starweirds? Rodtheanimegod4ever
 * You know fans. They think everybody was the hyperspace aliens. -- SFH 05:30, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I think the "Hyperspace Aliens" were actually Jacen Solo. I have a massive convoluted theory (still under construction) that uses Jacen Solo's time-travel powers to explain everything and then some, from the Yuuzhan Vong's technophobia to the origin of the Sith to the history of the Borg to the exile of the Dark Overlords of the Universe to the birth of Sauron. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  05:48, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Best Batman quote ever. CooperTFN 06:50, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Morgoth = Hyperspace Alien? OMIGOD!!! QuentinGeorge 06:52, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Ha, I came here to comment on the Batman quote; though looks like someone beat me to it :-) --Azizlight 06:57, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Erm, where is it? 72.228.255.171 05:48, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyone think it's possible that the Yuuzhan Vong Gods are the Celestials? Lord Malice 16:39, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

I do not believe that a re-direct would be a good idea.
I do not think that the Celestials were the same species as the Architects. Perhaps the Celestials were the masters of the Architects who were the masters of the builders who  were, of course, the Rakata.


 * I agree. The Celestials were a very powerful extra-galactic race.  The Architects were a very powerful intra-galactic race.  Both are similar in nature but definitely not the same. 20 August 2006
 * Who told you they are extragalactic? MoffRebus 21:08, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * To quote the original Essential Chronology: "Pre-Republic history is incredibly ancient and notoriously difficult to research. At some point in this ancient era, the Corellia System was artifically created, providing evidence that our region of space was once visited by stunningly powerful architects, who may also have been responsible for the unlikely cluster of black holes near Kessel known as the Maw'.  It's the wording that confirms it, 'visited our region of space', that's the proof they came to our region of space(the galaxy) amongst the cosmos(the universe).  It doesn't say 'visited our region of the galaxy', if it had then the Celestials would be intra-galactic having come from another region of the galaxy.  That's the proof. 21 August 2006.


 * I believe the celestials were the species that stripped the Rakata of their force sensitivity, and im sure others do as well, and if its true they cant be one and the same....Kardo Sett 10:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * It doesn't matter what we believe, or suppose. We should only have the bare facts and in-universe supposition - which should be marked as such. It would be a bad idea to merge this with architects, we don't know they are the same species. HavetStorm 16:50, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Vuffi Raa
Perhaps the Celestials are Vuffi Raa's creators.

Language consistency
I altered extra-galactic to exo-galactic,to keep it consnsitent with endo-galactic,Endo and Exo are both Greek prepositional prefix analogs of the Latin intra and extra - inner and outer. Sochwa 00:26, 15 December 2006 (UTC)
 * yea, but I have always seen it as extra-. There is even an article about this term MoffRebus 00:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone remembrer...?
I believe the book was called The Crystal Star. We were introduced to the Dark Jedi Lord Hethrir and the mysterious Crseih station. The most interesting resident of said station was Waru, a mysterious being of incredible power. He could revive the dead and unlock Force potential in normal people. Given this considerable power, it is quite possible that he and his people were the Celestials. Perhaps this should be mentioned in the discussion? Shaz 12:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC)
 * There's nothing within the books that suggests Waru was a celestial. Speculation like that can't go into an article unfortunatelyHavetStorm 18:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

The Celestials are the Rakata.
While reading the timeline of events in the back of The New Essential Guide to Alien Species, it says the following: "Rakata are credited with building Centerpoint Station&hellip;"

- The New Essential Guide to Alien Species, page 218

Although it goes onto say that the Maw was in the Corellian system, it appears that the Rakata and the Celestials were one in the same. Of course, "Centerpoint Station", in this case, could have meant the Star Forge. In addition, there would be a contradictions of dates, as the book says Centerpoint Station was created in 35,000 BBY, as opposed to the date in its article. Thoughts? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 18:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The may be credited with this as a means of simply ascribing credit. Remember, there is a Killik claim to the Centerpoint's creation. You do bring up a good point, however. The Rakata would have been ruthless enough to exile the Killiks to the Unknown Regions, possibly as slave labor, or such sometime during their prime. While these two were the most advanced species of the time that we know of - keep in mind that there could be another species (possibly still in existence and hiding in the UR or Wild Space or beyond the Galaxy) that controlled or manipulated events leading up to the Infinite Empire. Master Aban Fiolli (Alpheridies University ComNet) [[Image:NewRepublic.png|25px]] 14:07, 9 August 2007 (UTC)