Talk:Zayne Carrick


 * A note on Zayne's Master; the name comes from the Dark Horse Audiocast over at Sw.com's Comic-Con section, so this might not be the correct spelling (though this spelling has been used in other fan works). That's why I haven't made it a link yet - Kwenn
 * Speaking of that audiocast, you wouldn't be willing to *wink, wink* it to me? --Imp 20:31, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Can't, since you can only hear it online at Hyperspace. Besides, it's pretty boring; the news has already been covered over at TF.N, and aside from the names of new characters - which are also around on the forums there - there's nothing worth hearing - Kwenn
 * Ah, all right. Could you post the list of the new characters here? --Imp 20:37, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Characters (helps if you have the KotOR comic cover for reference): kid with green sabre at front is the (anti-)hero, Zayne; the old guy is known as 'Camper'; the chick with the staff is Jarael (sp?); the Valorum-a-like Jedi dude at the back is Master Lusion (sp?), the badass droid is L-B, and the Snaggletooth (yep, confirmed as such) at the bottom is The Griff. No major characters from KotORs I or II feature (though may well have cameos), though locations from the games are seen and events are referenced (I assume the Mando War). Oh, and the audience at Comic-Con went wild when the DH guys announced the name of this comic series! - Kwenn
 * Just made a major edit to the page based on the comics through issue 2. I'll be going through and adding more to all of the KOTOR comics characters in the next few days.--Breathesgelatin 08:04, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

Carrick?

 * What's the source for Zayne's last name? MarcK 04:49, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Comics Continuum has posted the February releases from Dark Horse. The blurb reveals Zayne's full name - Kwenn

Exile?
Zayne cannot be the Exile. There is one reason, but it overrides any speculation: according to Leland Chee, Exile's gender hasn't yet been determined by the time the first KOTOR comic was released. Of course, if they decide to make Exile male, Zayne can always be retconned to be the same person in the process of making the comic series, but it couldn't have been the original intent. - Sikon [ Talk ] 04:18, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I actually agree. Chee is also on the record as saying that he's rooting for the Exile to be female. But a LOT of fans on the Dark Horse boards are thinking that Zayne will be the Exile or another KOTOR character. I'm more inclined to believe that he will ally himself with one of them. I can edit the BTS if you think it's best however. - Breathesgelatin 05:43, 30 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Chee maybe rooting for it, but it may not happen that way. I see only three possibilities. Zayne is either the Jedi Exile (which would mean the idea of female would be out), Darth Nihilus (that would be cool and interesting), or another Kotor character. DarthMalus 18:49, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree, but his story is so much like the Exile's that it's almost eerie. The thing about easy connections, the Mandalorian wars, and "The young Padawan's fate was, at last, in the hands of the five Masters." that's the Exile, pure and simple.
 * You forgot the fourth possibility: he is just that, Zayne Carrick. Why does every single character need to be connected to the game, especially given Chris Avellone's comment that KOTOR is notorious for constantly introducing new cast? (I know it, I know it! Lucien is Kavar and Q'anilia is Visas! It's so blatantly obvious!) - Sikon [ Talk ] 18:57, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that these two (completely individual, separate, and no way related to KotOR II individuals) only prove that Zayne was at least meant to be the Exile, even if he isn't.
 * You may have noticed that Chris Avellone isn't doing the comic. Kuralyov 03:30, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Zayne couldn't have been meant to be the Exile, for the reason I mentioned. And while Avellone isn't doing the comics, he was speaking about the general trend of the KOTOR franchise, not Obsidian's policy. - Sikon [ Talk ] 05:56, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * well now the exile is confirmed as female its deffo not going to be Zayne Jedi Dude 21:11, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Eye Color
Someone seems to be mistaken about a lot of KOTOR comics characters' eye colors. Looking at the last page of KOTOR 1, it seems that Zayne's eye color is brown. Definitely not blue as was previously in his infobox. If someone wants to call it hazel though... I'd be open to that. - Breathesgelatin 11:21, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Zayne is not Revan or Malak
I deleted that from the Article, there is no way Zayne is Revan or Malak, first and most importantly for Malak, Malak was his original name not an alias same with Revan and other then the fact Malak is a Bald, tall man. For Revan once again Revan is not an alias but his actual name and Revan was never described as mediocre like Zayne was.
 * So? I think it's obvious to everyone but fanboys. - Sikon [ Talk ] 00:39, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, there is always a possibility. Malak was always referred to as Vader was referred to by Obi-Wan in ANH. Though for now, it's just Malak. --Redemption 15:02, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * After reading issue #6, I'm convinced that the Associate is Kreia and that Zayne is Sion. John Jackson Miller basically said that we are going to see some characters in the series "assume new identities" as characters from the games.  Lonnyd 21:01, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Image
So. Here we have two image. Which display Zayne in full, lightsaber drawn. Perfect for infobox. However, do we go with the one with the text or do we go with the cropped (if I could, I would have simply gotten rid of the speech but that looked awful).--Redemption 15:02, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Personally, I like the photoshopped one. - Breathesgelatin 18:54, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * But as a rule we don't use Photoshopped images, at least not to that extent. Whiting out the text boxes is fine - Kwenn 18:59, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Speaking of images, this article is in dire need of some, just thought I would point that out as I don't have a scanner. Lonnyd 11:09, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I can take care of that. So, the second one with a whited out text box? Alright. --Redemption 15:37, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What if we changed the main image to this one:

http://img317.imageshack.us/img317/497/ze7zo.jpg

It's from Brian Ching's Blog, so it's official. Personally I prefer this one, since it's clearer and just as good. I've got a bigger version which I'll upload unto the wookiepedia, but I want opinions before doing so ;) --Sauron18 16:50 28 June 2006(CDT)
 * There goes my image...good find btw ;) -Redemption 21:52, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, there's a lot in his blog: Valius, Gryph, Lucien, Raana Tey, etc.... --Sauron18 16:50 28 June 2006(CDT)
 * the current image is squashed, it looks riduclus. im not sure how to sort it... Jedi Dude 22:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Refresh the page. That's what happens when someone uploads an image over another. -Redemption 22:10, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I was wondering why the picture was changed? I know Cade has new clothing and style now, but the other one was better IMO, for the character's profile (Full Body, clear pic). I'll change it back, if someone disagrees we can talk here.--Sauron18 00:37, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

What if Zayne turns out to be...
Probably jumping the gun here a little bit but what if Zayne does turn out to be Sion, Nihilus, Malak, or whoever? Will the atricles simply merge together? Or would it simply give the Anakin/Vader treatment and keep them seperate? --Redemption 17:10, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Zayne won't become Malak for obvious reasons (they are very different physically). If he becomes Nihilus or Sion, we can hold a vote. - Sikon [ Talk ] 17:15, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess it would depend on the nature of Zayne's personna. If he literally takes on another personna, as Anakin did, then we'd likely leave the articles as they are. But if he takes a new name, a la Dooku or Palpatine, we'd merge - Kwenn 17:39, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * If there is officiol word that he is Nihilus/Sion, then the articles will likely be merged. Why? Nihilus and Sion's articles are smaller than average. . .and, well, so is Zayne's, so combining these articles would make them significantly larger. Warhobbe 05:11, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Zayne's is smaller than average? What average? - Sikon [ Talk ] 05:22, 12 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe the "Destroyer of Worlds" prophecy is to vague to assume that it would be Nihilus considering that Sion/Atton blew up Peragus. Basically anyone can argue Zayne is such and such because they glassed a planet or two... Maybe that portion in the behind the scenes should be removed as tentative.


 * I'm wondering if Zayne actually turns out to be Atton. Atton is the "fool" who hunted Jedi and conceals most aspects of his identity, including a rather dark past. This sounds very much like Zayne... or his possible future. Was his path down the Dark Side aided by the fact that he survived Serroco whilst Gryph was vaporised? He fits very well with this "big change" kahoot, except for the fact that Atton never knew of his force-sensitive nature and didn't become a Jedi until the Exile trained him. Still, Atton is a notorious liar and traitor - did he want the Exile (or Kreia) to know who he used to be before he was Atton? Retcons and/or a cunning measure of plot-bending (ie. Revan's mindwipe) could still make it possible. In any case, I feel that the Knights of the Old Republic series hasn't finished with Atton... --Kessel 19:07, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Zayne isn't Atton, for the very reasons you listed. - Sikon 04:19, 6 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Zayne being Atton isn't impossible. I'm not sure whether the age is right, but with the smallest amount of lore bending it could be entirely plausible. Can we entirely trust Atton's word? --Kessel 07:26, 7 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Revan would be a great possibility. Master Lucien uses the word "revanche"--nice foreshadowing.  Also, I think of Zayne as a little more human(e) than Malak, Nihilus, or Sion.  Revan was described more ambivalently than those three.  We'll see.  Naysayers abound, but I am thinking Revan. Graestan 04:00, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Obi-Wan
Don't see how this is relevant... - Sikon [ Talk ] 10:46, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

It shows that Zayne could end up like Obi-wan. That just because hes clumsy in trainying it doesnt mean he wont be powerful later on. --Darth Malice 17:30, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Saber color
Since when does saber color denote whether one is a "Jedi Sentinal" or not? - 205.188.117.7 19:15, 11 August 2006 (UTC) "And we don't know if Lucien is a Guardian, or even if all Jedi fall into one of these three categories to begin with."
 * it doesn't, apart from in games. which this isn't Jedi Dude 19:25, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * So should this be in here? - Angel Blue 451 19:27, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Any game-based Jedi classes speculation certainly shouldn't be in the article. - Sikon [ Talk ] 19:36, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. I'll remove it. - Angel Blue 451 19:40, 11 August 2006 (UTC)
 * However, it would seem that the author is consciously going with the color-to-class route. Notice how all 5 of the Taris Masters - save one - are Consulars, and all carry a green lightsaber; indicative of their class. The only exception is Lucien, who is a Guardian and carries the corresponding blade color (blue). I don't think this is mere coincidence.--Master Dakari 06:51, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * "It would seem" is not the same as "canon". And we don't know if Lucien is a Guardian, or even if all Jedi fall into one of these three categories to begin with. - Sikon 07:37, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

- User:Sikon

Huh? I'm not following you. Agreed, a class for Zayne should not be listed because it hasn't been confirmed, and the reasonings behind his yellow lightsaber have been listed on John Jackson Miller's Star Wars blog. However, how do you not understand that Lucien is a Guardian? After Zayne has contacted Master Vandar, and he and Jarael rescue Gryph from suffocation in an environmental suite, Zayne makes the statement, "The masters on are ALL Consulars -- all but Lucien!" This would means he is either a Guardian or Sentinel. Considering he is wields a blue lightsaber (opposite his fellow master, consulars, who are equipped with their corresponding color of green), and has little love of, or patience with, meditating, and he is noted to be even more of a warrior than his own father (who was a great warrior Jedi who fought in the Great Sith War), then it is HEAVILY and explicitly implied, even if not stated directly, that he is a Jedi Guardian.--Master Dakari 23:52, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No, this doesn't mean he was either a Guardian or Sentinel. We don't know if all Jedi are necessarily either Consulars or Sentinels or Guardians, even in the KOTOR era. - Sikon 05:50, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Image caption
"Zayne during last talk with Jarael."

This should be changed, since it isn't the last time he talks to her. I can't think of anything at the moment.--Darth OblivionComlink 03:59, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

Affiliations
As we all know, Zayne basically ran away from the Jedi Order, thus he could not be considered to be affiliated with them or the Republic (Karath is also hunting for him). Being that he is technically an outlaw, wouldn't it be appropriate for "Formerly" to be placed in his affiliations and the infobox changed to a criminal one? -- Redemption  Talk 21:35, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

But he hasn't committed any crimes, has he? even though he is on the run. Ajeanette 14 February 2007
 * Actually, he did... He was involved in two scams (one on Vanquo and one on Telerath). - Sikon 11:22, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well if you follow this line of thought then all of Masters Lucien, Q'Anilia, Feln, Xamar, Raana, Krynda Draay and Haazen should be given Criminal infoboxes. Zyane is still techinically a member of the Jedi Order... more so than his former masters. He is still affiliated with the Jedi Order and Republic even though he is very much so on the run from them. However, technically he is on the run from the Jedi Covenant who framed him. He committed scams for his own sake, but other than that he still has a very strong Jedi character. And he is even aiding the Republic and its citizens wherever he goes. I think he should keep a Jedi character infobox and shouldn't be listed as formerly until we know whether his situation is settled or not. Just my take on it. -- Master Dakari 19:34, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with Master Dakari, and the infobox has been changed. [[Image:DarthAb.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 09:55, 16 March 2007 (UTC)