Wookieepedia:Good article nominations



This page is for the nomination of good articles. This is not a way to showcase the articles of your favorite characters, spaceships, or the like. For a list of good articles, see Category:Wookieepedia good articles.

What is a Good article?
A Good article is an article that adheres to quality standards, but cannot reach FA status due to its limited content.

A Good article has the following attributes.

1. It is well written. In this respect:


 * (a) it has compelling prose, and is readily comprehensible to non-specialist readers;
 * (b) it follows a logical structure, introducing the topic and then grouping together its coverage of related aspects; where appropriate, it contains a succinct lead section summarizing the topic, and the remaining text is organized into a system of hierarchical sections (particularly for longer articles);
 * (c) it follows the Manual of Style, Layout Guide, and all other policies;
 * (d) necessary technical terms or jargon are briefly explained in the article itself, or an active link is provided.

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable. In this respect:


 * (a) it provides references to any and all sources used for its material;
 * (b) sources should be selected in accordance with the guidelines for reliable sources;
 * (c) it contains no elements of original research.

3. It is broad in its coverage, addressing all major aspects of the topic (this requirement is slightly weaker than the "comprehensiveness" required by WP:FA, and allows shorter articles and broad overviews of large topics to be listed);.

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy. In this respect:


 * (a) viewpoints are represented fairly and without bias;
 * (b) all significant points of view are fairly presented, but not asserted, particularly where there are or have been conflicting views on the topic.

5. It is stable, i.e., it does not change significantly from day to day and is not the subject of ongoing edit wars. This does not apply to vandalism and protection or semi-protection as a result of vandalism.

6. It contains images, where possible, to illustrate the topic. In this respect:


 * (a) the images are properly sourced and have succinct and descriptive captions;
 * (b) a lack of images does not in itself prevent an article from achieving Good Article status.

Nomination of Good articles
To nominate an article for Good article status, list it here. Nominated articles must meet all six requirements stated above. If an article has a total of five votes after at least a week since it was nominated (beginning the day of its nomination) and no objections (or the objections have been stricken or overridden), the article will be considered a "Good article" and tagged with the template. The talk page will also be tagged with the GA template. For complete instructions on archiving nominations please see here. Also remember to add GAnom at the top of the article you are nominating.

(+3)
Support
 * 1) —Tommy9281 ( Maybe it is time to liberate YOU! ) 15:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Good work.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 13:38, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Greyman  http://images.wikia.com/central/images/9/9c/Jan.png ( Talk ) 21:01, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Goodwood  [[Image:Redstarbird.svg|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 20:18, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Graestan ( Talk ) 13:53, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Object Comments
 * 1) From the Bridge of Chack Jadson:
 * 2) * "Nonetheless Lord Keto was pleased, as the sale of carbonite was a beneficial part of Tetan economy." Rephrase.
 * 3) **Addressed.
 * 4) * "Keto's son Satal, and his cousin Aleema had arrived at the station, escorted by the royal tutor Korus. Obviously unaware of their visit, Bearus allowed for the Emperor's children to join he and Lord Keto on the inspection." How was he obviously unaware of their visit?
 * 5) **Addressed.
 * 6) * Also, why did Keto not want them to come?
 * 7) **Addressed.
 * 8) * "Keto tried to have his children arrested, but when the guard reached for the control console to call for help, Aleema stopped him short by turning the console into a womp rat." Aleema was his niece though.
 * 9) **Addressed.
 * 10) * "With their uncle completely confounded, Aleema and Satal proclaimed themselves the new rulers of the Empress Teta system." Again, Satal was his son. Perhaps just call him the emperor.
 * 11) **Addressed.
 * 12) * You use "while" in two consecutive sentences in “Final stages.”
 * 13) **Addressed.
 * 14) * "While discussing their next plans, tutor Korus, whos face had been hideously disfigured by Aleema's sorcery, approached with wine for the Krath leaders." Change “whos”.
 * 15) **Addressed.
 * 16) *Overall, it's a nice article.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:31, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 17) From Greyman:
 * 18) * Again, you don't need to necessarily use double references for everything like you've done. If the information is the same in both sources, just pick one appearance/source to use instead of over-referencing.
 * 19) **Addressed.
 * 20) * The article appears too crammed with pictures, in my opinion. I suggest picking one or two pictures that you don't necessarily feel support the text, and remove them to make the article flow better.
 * 21) **Addressed.
 * 22) * The Sources section needs to be formatted correctly, so that book titles are italicized.
 * 23) **Addressed.
 * 24) * The infobox picture needs to be cropped&mdash;there is a black border present in the top right hand corner, among some other smaller places. Greyman http://images.wikia.com/central/images/9/9c/Jan.png ( Talk ) 01:54, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 25) **Addressed.
 * 26) From Graestan the Mighty:
 * 27) * The two outcomes in the infobox are a bit redundant, given the nature of the conflict; perhaps the shorter one could just go.
 * 28) **Addressed.
 * 29) * The paragraph in "Background" has a bit of a play-by-play read to it, which I think could be fixed somewhat if some of the information was moved. For instance, instead of stating what Bearus was talking about, that information could be used as part of the initial setup at the beginning of the paragraph.
 * 30) **Addressed.
 * 31) * The wording "just then" is a testament to my statement about play-by-play. See if this can be avoided throughout the article. The "Aftermath" section actually provides a great example of what I'm looking for. I'll check up on it as a whole in a few days.
 * 32) **Addressed.
 * 33) * However, some of the information in "Final stages" is redundant with that in "Aftermath," and this should be remedied.
 * 34) **Not quite sure what to change; the "final stage" section discusses the Krath putting minor resistances & Korus' death, while "aftermath" talks about the battle of Empress Teta, & the Jedi/Republic defeat. Please advise.
 * 35) *This article is great, and is almost complete. Keep at it, and I think it has future FA potential! Graestan ( Talk ) 03:06, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 36) Toprawa
 * 37) *Is there a reason why this page has the word "system" in parentheses? Should it not be under "Political Uprising of Empress Teta system"?
 * 38) **I figured the "the" would disrupt the aesthetic flow of the title, so I added parentheses to the system to differentiate from the actual planet of the Empress herself. I've changed it however, to comply with the objection.
 * 39) *Your infobox is very difficult to read. To just lay it out there, it's a mess. You've got it formatted as though it were in columns like the battle infobox. This needs to be cleaned up somehow.
 * 40) **Addressed...I think.
 * 41) *Your intro is desperately in need of expansion.
 * 42) **Addressed.
 * 43) *We'll continue once these objections are remedied. Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:36, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 44) **Thanks for stopping by. I'll be waiting. —Tommy9281 ( Safe harbor, my friend. ) 14:58, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I figure that whatever else this may need, this is the place to find out. A little nervous about nominating an article I actually created & worked on all by myself... —Tommy9281 ( Maybe it is time to liberate YOU! ) 15:36, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Chack for looking. I believe I fixed everything. Anything else, I'd be happy to fix. —Tommy9281 ( Maybe it is time to liberate YOU! ) 00:27, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks Greyman for looking, I believe everything is now addressed. If anything else is required, please let me know. —Tommy9281 ( Lússë i Morë Hwesta súya! ) 19:24, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for looking, Grae. I believe everything has been remedied, so if anything else is required, please let me know. —Tommy9281 ( Safe harbor, my friend. ) 09:41, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

(+2)
Support
 * 1) Thefourdotelipsis 11:25, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) I remember reading this in the databank way back at the beginning of What's the Story.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:09, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Goodwood  [[Image:Redstarbird.svg|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 01:21, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Just one thing: any information on what happened to the "organics" after the station was hijacked?  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  11:27, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No, actually, which is strange. Thefourdotelipsis 13:20, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) **Thought so.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:09, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) No links for atmosphere? No links in the body for Bespin or planet? You also link to tibanna gas twice in the body. -- Goodwood  [[Image:Redstarbird.svg|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 20:24, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Toprawa:
 * 4) *Without looking through this article, I can tell you that you're missing information from The Illustrated Star Wars Universe, which is actually its first appearance and is where the infobox image actually comes from. This thing was first created as part of Ralph McQuarrie's initial concept designs for the OT way back when. When I have time, I'll go through ISWU and try and see specifically what info you're missing. But, you'll need to change and add to the BTS information to explain this, as well as add ISWU to the source list. Also, I believe this creates an interesting discussion for your CT that is up. I would definitely say that, given the image of this thing within ISWU, that BesGas Three first "appears" in this book, despite being a "source." Toprawa and Ralltiir 02:31, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments

(+3)
Support
 * 1) I worked really hard on this. Don't be too brutal. —Tommy9281 ( Surely you can do better! ) 22:28, 10 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 20:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) Greyman  http://images.wikia.com/central/images/9/9c/Jan.png ( Talk ) 22:56, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) From Greyman:
 * 2) * I'm glad that you've got how the use references down pat, but you don't need to necessarily use double references for everything like you've done. If the information is the same in both sources, just pick one appearance/source to use instead of over-referencing.
 * 3) **Addressed.
 * 4) * From looking at it, I get the feeling that large parts of the article is essentially written as a play-by-play. If you can tap someone who is good with copy-editing, that might help.
 * 5) **Addressed&mdash;I think. I'll talk to you about this part in the IRC.
 * 6) * Along the same lines as the above objection, a copy-edit would really help out. Words that I'm not even sure about, such as "psionically" can be found scattered throughout the article. Likewise, it's generally considered bad-prose to start sentences with "Because". Another thing that sticks out to me are sentences such as, "The battle was over. Many, many Jedi perished in the skirmish, but all of the droids were destroyed." Like I said, you might want to get a good copy-editor to read through the article for you, if you're not sure what to fix.
 * 7) **Addressed&mdash;Still awaiting a good copy-edit, but everything was rectified according to the objection.
 * 8) * A large part of the article is actually about the Battle of Deneba, which we have an article on already. This article should be about the Conclave on Deneba (which you've managed to cover in a good amount of detail/length). However, the Battle of Deneba should only be a paragraph or two at the most, basically explaining that it interrupted the conclave, and therefore helped force Ulic to go through with his proposed plan. Consequently, you shouldn't go into a great amount of detail about the actual battle itself. Instead, you might want to think about using at the beginning of that particular section, so that readers will be directed to the actual article concerning that battle.
 * 9) **Addressed&mdash;I removed the bulk of the Battle section, & added the tag.
 * 10) * To me, there are just too many pictures scattered throughout the article&mdash;enough so that they interfere with the article's layout. For example, in the "Background" section, you have used three pictures, with two literally on top each other. Once you condense the sections on the Battle of Deneba to what I've mentioned above, you'll probably find that you will have even more of a surplus of pictures as well.
 * 11) **Addressed.
 * 12) * In the infobox, you need to list the location as Mount Meru; Deneba.
 * 13) **Addressed.
 * 14) * Likewise, in the infobox, the outcome of the Conclave on Deneba was not the death of Arca Jeth&mdash;his death was one of the outcomes of the Battle of Deneba.
 * 15) **Addressed.
 * 16) * The outcome field in the infobox should state what was decided by the Jedi assembly at the conclave. You could even say something along the lines of, "Ulic Qel-Droma sent to infiltrate the Krath", as an example.
 * 17) **Addressed.
 * 18) * Infobox again: in the Participants section you list Vima Sunrider, but then in parentheses you say (Not a participant). She needs to be removed from that list, in my opinion, since she didn't actually take part in the conclave&mdash;she was simply there, as a small child, because her mother was involved with the conclave. Likewise, you need to make mention that there were "thousands of other Jedi present" or something, since it is known that that several thousand congregated on Mount Meru.
 * 19) **Addressed.
 * 20) * Infobox: In the "Affiliations involved" section, I would suggest removing the "Entire" comment, since I don't believe that any appearance or source states for a fact if the "Entire Jedi Order" was present. Simply stating in that field the "Jedi Order" will be enough.
 * 21) **Addressed.
 * 22) * Once a copy-edit can be preformed, I'll give it another read through :) Keep up the good work, Tommy, and I hope that these (and other comments/objections from others) will/have helped you along the way :) Cheers, Greyman  http://images.wikia.com/central/images/9/9c/Jan.png ( Talk ) 01:35, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 23) **Copy-edited. 19:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 24) From Jorrel Fraajic
 * 25) * You list Shayoto as a notable participant, but he is given only a brief mention in the article itself. Maybe some more on what he said, etc?
 * 26) **Addressed&mdash;Actually, though Shayoto's role was significant, he really didn't say much, and whatever he said I covered so as to be thorough.
 * 27) ***Alright, cool. I haven't read the comic (or any TOTJ for that matter), so I had no idea. Thanks for taking care of it.
 * 28) * Any chance you could expand the intro, if only by a couple more sentences? It just looks very, very short in comparison to the available information.
 * 29) **Addressed.
 * 30) ***Good work. Added a sentence about Ulic's affairs after the conclave's termination.
 * That's all I can see. Good read. 19:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Taken care of. 20:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * Thanks Greyman. I've gone through & fixed everything you cited, now I'm just waiting for the copy-editor... —Tommy9281 ( Lússë i Morë Hwesta súya! ) 23:30, 18 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Any particular reason you're not taking this to FA? I mean, it seems pretty in-depth, and is formatted and referenced and long enough to qualify (at least at a cursory glance) - plus, even with my lack of knowledge of all things TOTJ, everything is presented in such a way that it all makes sense, even if you have no idea what exactly may have gone on, which is a testament to the amount of backstory you have in there. 19:23, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * FA is in the works, just taking baby steps first. Thanks a lot Jorrel for looking. —Tommy9281 ( Lússë i Morë Hwesta súya! ) 20:25, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure thing. 20:50, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

(+4)
Support
 * 1) QuentinGeorge 11:54, 11 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Kilson 22:47, 16 April 08 (UTC)
 * 3) Copy-edited. —Tommy9281 ( Lússë i Morë Hwesta súya! ) 01:48, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Go Bachs. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:32, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Minor objection, but the information in the succession box at the bottom needs to be sourced like you would with an infobox. Other than that, the article reads well :)  Greyman  http://images.wikia.com/central/images/9/9c/Jan.png ( Talk ) 02:06, 12 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Toprawa:
 * 3) *Please add a little bit to give the thought bomb some context as to what it is here: "she abandoned her fellow Sith Lords when she learned of Kaan's desire to use the thought bomb"
 * 4) *The paragraph beginning "Bane survived using the dark side to purge" really digresses from the central theme of this article - Githany - and large parts are highly irrelevant. I would suggest cutting out the fat
 * 5) *This is introduced very roughly, and needs to be explained - what is the thought bomb, who is unleashing it, what is its intended purpose? "The thought bomb was about to be unleashed"
 * 6) *Please elaborate on this a little bit. Her true thoughts concerning what? "Despite her extroverted personality, Githany kept her true feelings closely guarded."
 * 7) *Need to avoid this speculation. If you can't reword this to do, I would suggest removing this sentence entirely: "Githany most likely held the same powers and abilities of most Jedi or Sith of her time."
 * 8) *The information under the "Appearance" section should be merged with the "Personality and traits."
 * 9) *I'm not sure where this quote is coming from, but it needs to be attributed to someone. I would suggest paraphrasing this instead for cleaner prose: "perfect examples of the human female form."
 * 10) *Please cut the speculation: "which may have been of Sith design."
 * 11) *Ditto on the speculation: "feelings no doubt enhanced by Kaan's potent mind manipulation abilities."
 * 12) *Your "Kaan" and "Darovit" subsections under the "Relationships" section are unnecessary. Such a section should be reserved for serious romantic relationships, not an individual analysis of every person she interacted with. You may choose to rewrite and insert some of this information into the P&T. Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:16, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * Just a little formatting pointer, always make sure you put punctuation before reference tags. Toprawa and Ralltiir 01:16, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

(+0)
Support
 * 1) Seems to fit the requirements. The prose might be a little watery, but that could easily be remedied. Din&#39;s Fire 997 00:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) The article and the infobox need to be fully sourced, please.  Greyman  http://images.wikia.com/central/images/9/9c/Jan.png ( Talk ) 20:13, 13 April 2008 (EDT)
 * 2) *How's that? Din&#39;s Fire 997 00:54, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) **Per Rule 2(a). It can be confusing if you're not familiar with it, but here is the sourcing page, which provide steps to follow. Greyman  http://images.wikia.com/central/images/9/9c/Jan.png ( Talk ) 01:08, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) ***Better? (thanks for the link, btw. This whole process is really expanding my skills, if nothing else) Din&#39;s Fire 997 01:36, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) ****Good, I'm glad to hear it! It looks much better, and the only thing you need to source now is this statement, "However, it did not gain notoriety until it was taken as a refuge by rogue Sith Lord Darth Millennial." Otherwise, the sourcing is complete. Greyman  http://images.wikia.com/central/images/9/9c/Jan.png ( Talk ) 01:48, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) *****Needed a minor rephrase, but it's sourced now. Din&#39;s Fire 997 01:59, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) Toprawa:
 * 8) * Din, right now the article is just too short. These one sentence paragraph haphazardly summarizing events should be fleshed out to the length of paragraphs.
 * 9) * Additionally, the article should be ordered to fit within our Layout Guide. If you go that page and go down to number 11, you'll see how a planet article should be sectioned. I would also recommend you take a look at Agamar, a recently passed Featured Article. That's just how a planet article should be done. You can use that as a model. Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:07, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) * In that case, you'll need to add the bit in the intro to the body of the article as well. I can't say never, but an article should almost never have intro material not covered in the body someplace. Once in a blue moon an exception will rear its ugly head, but this is certainly not one of them. Toprawa and Ralltiir 05:27, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 11) **Adressed all of that, I believe. Heck, I'm pretty sure this is technically long enough to be an FA now (not pushing my luck though). If there's anything else, I'll do it - I've come this far. Din&#39;s Fire 997 06:37, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) ***I must say, Din, although I haven't read through it yet, I'm impressed. Just how it should look, at any rate. I'll review it soon. :) Toprawa and Ralltiir 15:38, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) *Would be good to add a little bit here, to say it was located in Sith Space: " was the third planet in the Dromund system"
 * 14) *Please give a time frame (i.e. year) to give this greater context: "The site of a major battle during the New Sith Wars"
 * 15) *Weasel words like "possibly" and "apparently" are doorways to speculation, which is a big no-no when writing articles. If you can't reword to avoid the "possibly," I would suggest removing that little clause entirely: "for centuries, possibly even millennia"
 * 16) *What, specifically, does "average-sized" mean? In relation to what? Does the source say this, or are you extrapolating this from something? Greater clarification, specification would help here: "Dromund Kaas was an average-sized planet"
 * 17) *Again, "seemed" is one of these weasel words. Something either did or didn't. Write what you know: "Only very durable life-forms seemed to survive long in the swamps"
 * 18) *Please briefly describe who Kaan is here. Don't assume the reader knows who anyone is: "and Kaan's New Sith Empire"
 * 19) *Specify, with years, what these times in history were: "During varying points in history, Dromund Kaas was held by both the Old Sith Empire and Kaan's New Sith Empire."
 * 20) *Again, a year, please: "However, it was effectively abandoned until it became a refuge for rogue Sith Lord Darth Millennial"
 * 21) *Explain what the Rule of Two here is: "Having rejected the Rule of Two"
 * 22) *Year/time frame, please: "until its rediscovery by one Darth Sidious"
 * 23) *This sentence is highly speculative. Please reword to avoid saying "It is believed." Does the source explicitly say someone believed this? If so, who? "It is believed that Yoda may have personally investigated the system, however any such mission would have been known only to the highest ranks of the Jedi, and any records of the project have been lost."
 * 24) *Can we elaborate on this battle? If not, at the very least create an article for this battle, please: "Despite this level of secrecy, the 327th Star Corps would later fight a battle on Dromund Kaas during the Clone Wars"
 * 25) *Can we elaborate on what inscriptions these were: "learned of the planet from ancient inscriptions"
 * 26) *Please provide a date here. I'm almost certain it's 10 ABY: "until Jedi Knight Kyle Katarn learned of the planet from ancient inscriptions."
 * 27) *Calling these things abominations is pretty POV. Please choose a better word: "and battled many Sith abominations"
 * 28) *Please elaborate on what exactly Dark Mara is: "along with the apparition known as Dark Mara"
 * 29) *What, exactly, is an act of faith? "an act of faith in Katarn's heart"
 * 30) *Please reword the beginning of this sentence to avoid starting out with dead construction like "At this." At what? "At this, Katarn was able to overthrow the dark taint of the Temple,"
 * 31) *Not an objection, but a pointer. Linking should be done as followed: Link upon first mention in the intro and once again upon first mention in the body, and then avoid linking something again for the remainder of the article
 * 32) *Timeframes, please: "Built during the original Sith Empire, the Temple was deserted shortly after the Great Hyperspace War"
 * 33) *Who is Seviss Vaa? "the Temple's location eventually fell into the hands of Seviss Vaa"
 * 34) *Please add a little bit to the beginning of the BTS explaining where it first appeared in SW media.
 * 35) *Without checking, I suspect your source list may be out of order. It should be ordered by OOU publication date. Please check.
 * 36) *Overall, not bad, Din. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:05, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 37) **Adressed a lot of that, but there's a fair amount that simply can't be.
 * 38) **Dates are impossible in many cases. We don't knew when, exactly, any of these battles took place, and, since we don't know when Darth Millennial was even alive saying when he landed is also out.
 * 39) **"Only very durable life-forms seemed to survive long in the swamps" In fact, that is avoiding speculation. The only life-forms we've seen on Kaas are durable, but we can't use a blanket statment here. Hence "seemed." Of course, if "until otherwise proven" is okay, then I'll alter it.
 * 40) **To quote the original source "It's believed that Yoda may have visited the Dromund system." Doesn't say by whom.
 * 41) ** Nothing can be done about the "ancient inscriptions." We don't know when, where, or what they consisted of. It seems I was mistaken. JvS says 9 ABY.
 * 42) **Again, directly from Wizards.com "Kyle Katarn traveled there after learning of the witchworld in ancient inscriptions, battling a host of Sith abominations in the planet's seemingly endless bogs before succumbing to the spell of the dark side of the Force." That's what they're called. Abominations.
 * 43) **Not much can be added about Dark Mara. She was a spirit with a lightsaber. The end. If you can think of a way to add that bit without breaking up the prose, by all means, alter.
 * 44) **Act of faith is a real-world term
 * 45) **Anything else? I admit this is tiring, but darn it, I am getting this bloody thing through if it kills me.Din&#39;s Fire 997 03:25, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 46) From the Bridge of Chack Jadson:
 * 47) * I agree with Toprawa. The article has too many two sentence paragraphs.
 * 48) * Also, check out the layout guie like he suggested. Model the article to fit that, and it will be much improved.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:07, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Comments

Well, seeing that no one has changed their vote to a positive one (even though I have addressed almost every addressable concern) I will assume that interest has waned (not surprising given recent policy battles regarding GA status) and will wait for the inevitable failure of this nomination. After a cool-down period, I intend to re-nominate. In any case, at least I’ve learned a bit from this endeavor. Cheers. Din&#39;s Fire 997 01:03, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

(+2)
Support
 * 1) I don't know, he might have a chance Kilson 23:00, 16 April 08 (UTC)
 * 2) Interesting enough, it gets my vote. --Skippy Farlstendoiro 07:44, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Toprawa:
 * 2) * Please familiarize yourself with our Layout Guide to see how a character article should be "laid out." Your intro must be greatly expanded, needs a P&T section, and a BTS couldn't hurt. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:33, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) **I have enlarged the intro and added a small BTS, but I find it a little pointless to add a P&T because we don't really know much about the character becides what's in the biography. Also, at least five GA characters that don't have P&Ts: Lii, Imperial Ace, Dorsk 81, Luminara Unduli, and Uldir Lochett. I honestly believe that this article should be a good article.
 * 4) ***Nonsense. A character article should never go without a P&T. Previously passed GANs without them, doesn't make the trend right. It means they passed before I started reviewing. ;) Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:52, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) ****Yeah. Every character has a Personality, even if you can only write several lines on it. You should check out Chertyl Ruluwoor (Human), a Galaxies NPC article I wrote (if only for amusement), to get an idea of how to write a P&T on a character with such little info. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 22:13, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) *****OK, the P&T has been made, and thanks Ackbar for the Chertyl Ruluwoor (Human) page, it help a little. Kilson 15:26, 18 April 08 (UTC)
 * 7) *Why, exactly, are we speculating that Geonosis may be his homeworld? Simply because he's Geonosian? If nothing in the game besides that supports this possibility, this needs to go.
 * 8) **I'm still not positie anything specifically says he's from Geonosis. If the game doesn't explicitly say this, we can't assume.
 * 9) ***Sorry about that, I thought I got rid of Geonosis, I must have missed it. Kilson likes PIE 21:04, 6 May 08 (UTC)
 * 10) * Also, how, specifically, is he "affiliated" with Kachirho? It would seem more pertinent to affiliate him with something akin to his scientist dealings, but since we don't know that, it's probably best to leave this blank as well
 * 11) * Your biography section starts out very rough, with little transition. It needs a better beginning sentence explaining who and what the character is.
 * 12) *We'll deal with the remainder of the prose when you handle these objections. Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:48, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 13) **OK, I got it done, I hope it's good now Kilson 16:21, 28 April 08 (UTC)
 * 14) *Speculation needs to go: "possibly because the research there was starting to become less peaceful and ethical"
 * 15) *This is speculative wording. Remove the weasel word "apparently" and better reword it to read more factually: "Apparently the patrol had found him unconscious in the woods with documents stating a vile plan to do harmful experiments on many Wookiees."
 * 16) *Please add a little context to explain who this Ovarra is: "The spacer returned to Kachiro and brought the documents to Elder Ovarra"
 * 17) *The P&T doesn't read very encyclopedia, and seems to be laden with Original Research. Please rewrite
 * 18) *Please order the categories at the bottom of the page by alphabetic order Toprawa and Ralltiir 05:51, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * And, Kilson, we don't add bullets to the BTS anymore. Please avoid that. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:56, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

(+1)
Support
 * 1) as nominator.  ~Roger Roger~ [[Image:Battledroid.jpg|11px|]] Home of the B1s 11:41, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) From the Forest of Goodwood:
 * 2) *Overlinking. Please ensure that there is only one link to any given article in the intro, as well as only one in the article's main body for the first mention.
 * 3) * Please eliminate the Trivia section in the BtS.
 * 4) *Rewriting the Bonus Levels section to how the main levels are laid out is desired.
 * 5) * The Differences between the movie and the game section could be moved to a subsection of the BtS.
 * 6) *TIMMMMBERRRRR!!-- Goodwood [[Image:Redstarbird.svg|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 21:40, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Fixed. ~Roger Roger~ [[Image:Battledroid.jpg|11px|]] Home of the B1s 11:51, 18 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) This was nominated for GA before, as seen here. Per the original objection on the nomination, it's basically one big list. Greyman  http://images.wikia.com/central/images/9/9c/Jan.png ( Talk ) 00:23, 18 April 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * Plot info has been added, so no one can throw the plot wrench at me. ~Roger Roger~ [[Image:Battledroid.jpg|11px|]] Home of the B1s 11:41, 17 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Please format your nomination correctly next. Copy and pasting works nicely. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:10, 17 April 2008 (UTC)

(+2)
Support
 * 1) as nominator.Jedi Kasra 06:48, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2)  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 17:29, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Object —Tommy9281 ( Lússë i Morë Hwesta súya! ) 20:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Barely sourced. Has a "committee" tag. Also, although I'm by no means an expert on the topic, I would've thought his article would be quite a bit longer, though I may be wrong. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 12:02, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Most of it has been fixed by Jedi Kasra. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 01:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) From —Tommy9281 ( Lússë i Morë Hwesta súya! ) 20:38, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * The opening paragraph doesn't need to be referenced, as the information is also present within the body of the article and also referenced there.
 * Also in the opening paragraph, you say, "Later, having both "killed" and usurped the mantle of Darth Revan in 3,957 BBY". It should read something like, Later, having both "killed" Revan and usurped the mantle of Dark Lord of the Sith in 3,957 BBY.
 * In the "early life" section, you say, "According to Deesra Luur Jada, he was trained on Dantooine, where he met his closest friend, Revan." This is confusing; was Revan his closest friend already when Malak got to Dantooine, or did they become closest friends while together on Dantooine?
 * The term "Master" should be capitalized when referring to an individual's Sith or Jedi Master if the individual is acting in an apprentice capacity.
 * Fixed. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 01:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In the "Captured at Flashpoint" section, you say, "Roughly a week after his meeting with Carrick on Taris, he was captured during the Fourth Battle of Suurja by the Neo-Crusaders and taken to Flashpoint Station". Please explain who the Neo-Crusaders are and what Flashpoint station is, as these are the first mentions of both subjects in the article.
 * In the paragraph immediately following, you talk abou Jarael as though she was previously explained. This is also misleading, because it almost seems like you're picking up on a part of her story you had previously established. Please explain her further, at least in significance to the situation.
 * Sentences should not begin with "And".
 * In the second paragraph of the "Adasca's plot" section, you introduce the Arkanian Legacy. Who's ship is this? What kind of ship is it? Briefly explain please.
 * The same applies to the Williwaw. When you introduce it, you do just that. Please briefly explain the ship.
 * In the third paragraph of the "Adasca's plot" section, you say, "When Adasca struck Jarael for talking in her wrist-comlink to Camper, Alek ignited his lightsaber and put the blade near Adasca's throat, warning him not to hurt her again". Who is Camper? briefly explain Camper & his significance.
 * Same section. You say, "Alek, along with Zayne, Lucien Draay, Carth Onasi, Admiral Karath, Jarael, Rohlan, and Commander Dallan Morvis escaped the Legacy observation dome as the exogorths under the elderly scientist: Gorman Vandrayk's command devoured it, killing Adasca". Wrong use of a colon.
 * Like stated above by AdmirableAckbar, the article is barely referenced. When referencing, keep in mind that Each paragraph needs to be referenced.
 * Most of it has been fixed by Jedi Kasra. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 01:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm sure quotes could be found for the "Adasca's plot" and "The quest's end nears" sections. Also, I think that "The quest's end nears" should be reworded.
 * Also in the "Adasca's plot" section, you talk about Zayne Carrick and "the charges levied against him". This is an important plot device, and needs to be briefly explained.
 * In the same section, you say, "This heroic reputation was finally cemented during the final battle of the war, where they defeated the Mandalorians and slew their leader, Mandalore the Ultimate, above Malachor V". Who are "they"? This can be misleading, so please tell exactly who "they" are.
 * Some of your pipelinks "hint" at the topics they link to. As this is an encyclopedia, links should be less vague, in my opinion.
 * (minor)In the "Sith apprentice" section, you say, "Even so, the unconfirmed sightings of Revan and Malak on numerous worlds throughout their year-long disappearance imply that they visited the majority of these planets after the Mandalorian Wars' conclusion". I would have said "implied".
 * In the "Dark Lord of the Sith" section, you say, "While on their search they were captured by the Sith and brought on board the Leviathan, while escaping the ship they encountered Malak himself who revealed to Revan his true identity". This needs to be reworded, so that "while" isn't used twice. Kinda disrupts the flow of the sentence.
 * Fixed. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 01:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Same section. You mention the Leviathan. Please offer a brief explanation of the ship.
 * In the same section, you say, "Revan and Malak engaged in combat and Malak proved himself a powerful foe, eventually Bastila sacrificed herself to save Revan and was captured by Malak". Please reword this.
 * Same section. You finally introduce Malak's apprentice in the form of Darth Bandon, but you don't explain how Malak came to taking an apprentice, or even who Bandon is. Since this article isn't about "Bandon", just briefly explain him & his relationship to Malak.
 * I think that his powers & abilities section could be expanded.
 * 1) I know little about KOTOR but this article could surely be much longer.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 14:42, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It's been expanded. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 01:20, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * I've worked on this article a lot, and I told Goodwood that I think it deserves a chance to be listed as a good article. I am experiencing technical difficulties on here and Wikipedia, but I will try to work on it as needed to the best of my abilities.--Jedi Kasra 06:48, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't get discouraged; I received an extensive list of objections my first time around, and it helped me tremendously. Hopefully these will help you as they did for me! :) —Tommy9281 ( Lússë i Morë Hwesta súya! ) 15:00, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I added a lot of references today, particularily dealing ith his time as Alek Squinquargesimus in the comics. I'll add more later.--Jedi Kasra 23:58, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm writing a major improvement for it. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 13:04, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Dark Lord of the Sith section is now almost completely rewritten. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 18:56, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And I added more sources. I'll try to finish it tomorrow.--Jedi Kasra 00:10, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Is their any specific information anyone would like to be added? Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 00:12, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I think I've done as much sourcing as I can. If there is any other sourcing needed, let me know either here, or on my talk page.--Jedi Kasra 02:49, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Drewton, please do not strike other user's objections; it is up to them to strike. I've unstricken my own, but I don't have time to unstrike Tommy's. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 07:00, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I thought it was done by people helping with the nomination. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 12:14, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

(+2)
Support
 * Yes, that's the best picture of him. Thefourdotelipsis 07:43, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 1)  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  19:05, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Oppose Comments
 * 1) Explain who Zannen is in the intro. Two more words would suffice.  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  22:19, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) *Done. Thefourdotelipsis 08:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) I actually think that pic should be in the main body, not the infobox. --Eyrezer 01:39, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) **I'd argue the point, but it doesn't hurt. ;) Thefourdotelipsis 08:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) ***Lol. --Eyrezer 01:34, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Could use a smidge more context in the intro (and maybe even in the body) about who Zannen is and why the incident was traumatic. Assuming said context exists. I don't have the article, which is why this is a comment and not an opposing point. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 14:45, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No real context on that, sorry. Thefourdotelipsis 08:57, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

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Support Oppose
 * 1) Though not a WP:TOTJ article, I worked equally as hard on this. Open to thoughts/suggestions, as always. —Tommy9281 ( Lússë i Morë Hwesta súya! ) 19:33, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Passes inspection on my Star Destroyer bridge.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Goodwood  [[Image:Redstarbird.svg|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 22:16, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Good work!--Squishy Vic (discussion) (contributions) 18:54, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) From the Bridge of Chack Jadson:
 * 2) * Explain who Darovit is when you first mention him.
 * 3) **Addressed.
 * 4) * "Zannah became furious..." Could just be me, but this sounds funny.
 * 5) **Addressed.
 * 6) * Why did she need healing techniques for Bane? I thought she was looking for information on orbalisks?
 * 7) **Addressed.
 * 8) * Link all the Jedi in the second paragraph.
 * 9) **Addressed.
 * 10) * The first two paragraphs of The Duel are play-by-play.
 * 11) **Addressed.&mdash;I believe I've fixed this. If still no good, it's kind of hard to reword, as many of those little parts are significant. I think I got it though.
 * 12) * Second paragraph of Part 2: ackward?
 * 13) **Addressed. typo
 * 14) * "Upon realizing that the contest was over..." You just used this expression. Please change it.
 * 15) **Addressed.
 * 16) *I like stuff about Bane.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 22:29, 20 April 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * Thanks again Chack for looking, if anything else is required, please let me know. —Tommy9281 ( Lússë i Morë Hwesta súya! ) 18:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

(+3)
Support
 * 1) --Eyrezer 10:17, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:36, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Cull Tremayne 08:35, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Toprawa:
 * 2) * Can you reword this quote attribution to better explain what translation this is? You say "the translation" as though we are familiar with it: "C-3PO translates the Zeffliffl response" Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:26, 25 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) **Good call. Should be clarified now. --Eyrezer 22:52, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

Comments

(+1)
Support
 * 1) Thefourdotelipsis 06:51, 26 April 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

Comments
 * Do we not have any redlink requirements for GAs? --Eyrezer 20:56, 26 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I can't see them, if they're there.. Thefourdotelipsis 07:34, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

(+1)
Support
 * 1) To go with my FA, Tirog. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 03:13, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Toprawa:
 * 2) *Please expand the introduction a little bit. It should be a paragraph of some kind
 * 3) ** I'll see what I can do. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 22:26, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) *The "Skills and abilities" section really should be the "Personality and traits." Recommended that you rename it as such
 * 5) ** No, those are his skills (good pilot, good marksman) rather than personality traits (likes to fight...that's the only one he seems to have, which is why I didn't write one.) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 11:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) *This is kinda OR-ish. Does the source say this exactly? "and more generally knowledgeable than the average bounty hunter."
 * 7) ** It says he increased his "knowledge" attribute. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 11:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 8) *The last three sentences of the Equipment section gets kind of listy, just spewing facts. Try to "prosify" it a bit more
 * 9) ** Do you refer to the description of his arsenal or the speculative sentences which I removed? &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 22:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 10) *This is really heavy speculation and needs to be rewritten to more appropriately fit tone. If this cannot be done, this needs to be removed, or perhaps moved into a "speculation section" in the BTS: "Thannik's ship may have been Thannik's Thunder, a class 720 freighter which Thannik's associate Rhen is known to have flown. If Thannik's Thunder was the hunter's ship, Thannik may have been present when Rhen flew the freighter against pirates flying Z-95 Headhunters or against Imperial TIE fighters.  He may also have been on board when Thannik's Thunder was captured by the tractor beams of an Imperial I-class Star Destroyer."
 * 11) ** If his friend flies a ship named after him, which is of the same class as a ship he is known to have owned, I think the first sentence doesn't go beyond reasonable speculation. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 11:15, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 12) *The BTS quote should be formatted to Quote format, not Dialogue, per our quote "policy"
 * 13) ** Please refresh my memory: I don't see that in the Manual of Style or the Layout Guide. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 22:17, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) *This doesn't read well. I'm not sure if this is even a sentence. Please rewrite: "These include from examples of group play," Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:31, 6 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) **It is a sentence, just one with an extraneous word (from). Easily fixed. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 11:04, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * I know there's no "Personality" section. Unlike Tirog, there's not all that much "in-character" dialog for Thannik, so there's not all that much I could think of to say. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 03:13, 27 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Does not it need an infobox? Domlith 15:46, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I tend not to add them when I can't fill out more than a handful of fields. Anyway, there's one now. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 22:09, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

(+5)
Support
 * 1) Goodwood  [[Image:Redstarbird.svg|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 02:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) I'll second that notion, though for some reason I felt like there should be more... —Tommy9281 ( Safe harbor, my friend. ) 15:53, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) supergeeky1 \ m / The Cantina 23:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Domlith 08:37, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) Toprawa and Ralltiir 19:19, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Toprawa:
 * 2) * You just said this exact same thing in the opening sentence. Please merge these two into the same opening sentence: "First seen some time prior to 3,956 BBY,"
 * 3) * I'm not sure I understand what you're saying here. I thought the fields were located within the tubes? Also, the second sentence of this doesn't read very well. I'm not sure what "semi-portable" is: "was developed that was collapsible for use in the field. Once assembled, these types of portable force cages, similar to ones found in Imperial detention areas, were still semi-portable."
 * 4) * Does GG10 specifically say that bounty hunters used these to deliver them to those who posted the bounty? I ask this, because it seems pretty exclusive and may be extrapolation. For example, how do we know they didn't use them for general transportation of prisoners to wherever, not just to the source of the bounty, if you understand my meaning: "These devices were favored by bounty hunters who needed to secure the live capture of a target for rendition to whomever had posted the bounty."
 * 5) * Please apply and  tags where appropriate. Toprawa and Ralltiir 17:42, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * Long overdue.-- Goodwood [[Image:Redstarbird.svg|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 02:29, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

(+2)
Support
 * 1) To go with my FA, Tirog. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) --Eyrezer 03:16, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

Comments
 * This one has a P&T section, but no skills section (presumably he had standard protocol droid skills, but it's not specifically stated in either book.) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:52, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

(+2)
Support
 * 1)  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  00:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Second. —Tommy9281 ( Safe harbor, my friend. ) 00:06, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

Comments
 * Yeah, the image is horrendous. Nothing that can be done about that.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:51, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't think the image was that bad. —Tommy9281 ( Safe harbor, my friend. ) 00:06, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

(+1)
Support
 * 1) Thefourdotelipsis 03:35, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

Comments

(+1)
Support
 * 1) Havac 19:31, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

Comments

(+1)
Support
 * 1) Havac 22:12, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

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Comments