Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Mara Jade Skywalker (third nomination)


 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a featured article nomination that was successful. Please do not modify it.

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 * 1) Nominated and May She Rest In Peace.  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 02:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) --Goodwood 03:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Thefourdotelipsis 09:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4)  Chack Jadson  Talk  12:16, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5)  Greyman ( Paratus ) 18:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Looks like Ataru gets to add another userbox to his row of FAs. [[Image:The Death of Ki-Adi-Mundi.jpg|40px]]  Jediknight19bby  ( Jedi High Council Chambers! ) 20:12, 20 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) With a flicker of pseudomotion... Supported! -- Ozzel 02:33, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) ♫ That Biiiig Reeeeed freshness lasts right throooough it! / Your fresh breath goes OOONN AND OOOOONNNN&hellip; / WHIIIIILE YOU CHEW IT ♫  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 14:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) Now that's an expansion Enochf 18:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 10)  Jaina Solo ( Talk ) [[Image:Jainasolosig.gif |25px]] 14:22, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 11) Unit 8311 15:26, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) I'd like to see a BTS section that is worthy of following that Biography. How did McRandle get the job? What were Tim Zahn's motivations in creating the character? Where did the name come from? What about when Zahn told KJA that he had no intention of her marrying Luke? And then there's the fan reactions: why is Mara so liked/disliked? How did fans react to her recent major development? And what about Mara merchandise? Etc. (Hint, hint, hint...) -- Ozzel 05:09, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) *In a word: Bah! I will address the majority of your objection, but there's no way I will add a fan reaction section or merchandise section. I've been fighting for months to have those removed. They're terrible and begging for POV in the case of fandom and totally irrelevant in the case of merchandise. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 13:04, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) **Agreed. Bah! -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 13:17, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) *First point (how she got the job) addressed. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 00:59, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) **I hate how the following paragraphs would be separated, so I'm gonna get it out of the way now. :-P

My point with the merchandise thing: we've had the merchandise discussion many times and decided to save it for a separate wiki, but the common caveat was for notable EU exceptions. Who was one of the first (and still very few) EU characters to get an action figure? How many EU characters have had a Gentle Giant bust made of them? And how many EU lightsaber replicas have there been? That's gotta be notable.

As for the fan reaction, I'm not asking for wild fanwankery; I mean more along the line of Mara's cultural impact. As it already says, she was polled in 1997 as the top favorite EU character. But eh, whatever.

Now, I definitely think it needs more about Zahn's thoughts on the character; there's some of that in Zahn interviews in those latter sources I mention. (IIRC, there is a least a little bit in the interview in SWAJ 1, there definitely some in that Insider article, and I'm sure there is in other Zahn interviews.) I will try to look into this myself once I'm back with my sources in a few days.

And I am truly sorry you had to endure those Force-Cast goofballs. But it was a necessary evil. ;-) -- Ozzel 03:41, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I added a small merchandise section regarding the Hasbro figure and Gentle Giant bust, but I am loathe to expand it further.
 * NO fan reaction section. At all. "Cultural impact" FTL
 * I added a lot of information from Zahn's interview in Insider 47.
 * I added information regarding the origin of Mara's name. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:04, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Have to agree to disagree on acknowledging popular opinion, but I won't pursue it here. I still think the replica lightsaber thing might be worth mentioning with the other stuff, especially considering how fast that thing sold out. And I think the "girly girl" quote, aside from needing the proper template, needs context to clarify that it refers to her, er... feminine physique rather than her enjoying shoe shopping, if you know what I mean. Otherwise, it all looks good. Nice improvement from before. -- Ozzel 05:42, 16 August 2007 (UTC)


 * A few things:
 * Intro: Is it really necessary to point out that she was a female Human? The information is already covered in the infobox. How about "Mara Jade Skywalker was, during different times in her life, an Emperor's Hand, a smuggler&hellip;"?
 * Intro: "Regarded as beautiful, intelligent, and deadly with a sharp tongue and quick wit" Sorry, but this seems sort of fanwanky.
 * 1.2: Odd sectioning. "All the while, she was still haunted by the Emperor's last command: "You will kill Luke Skywalker."" and "Sometime during this time, she lost the violet-colored lightsaber she had been given by Palpatine." should be integrated into the other two paragraphs, or expanded enough to warrant separate paragraphs.
 * 1.3: The ambiguous canon section should be covered in a ref. Perhaps it would be a good idea to split "Notes and references" into two sections? See this Wikipedia article.
 * Minor issues, really. --Imperialles 15:07, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * All but the last point addressed. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:46, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * From the Gonk of Gonk:
 * Last sentence of intro seems out-of-place. Can it be stuck in earlier, more chronologically?
 * Fixed.
 * "Upon his arrest, Mara also took the job of finding who delivered the paintings, and the people who aided him." – Who is "him"? The moff?
 * Fixed.
 * "Upon arriving at the palace, Ghent learned that it wasn't a Rebel computer" – What does "it" refer to?
 * Fixed.
 * Little did she know that Ghent was hired by Talon Karrde, her future employer, shortly after she and Ghent parted ways." – Is that last phrase supposed to refer to Mara's employment with Karrde, or Ghent's? If it's the latter (which I suspect), the sentence should be reorganized to make that clearer.
 * Fixed.
 * "They met up with the rest of the family on Coruscant, with Mara telling Luke about the rash actions of Wurth Skidder in destabilizing the situation over Rhommamool after he met with the New Republic Advisory Council." – Who met? Wurth or Luke?
 * Fixed.
 * "Following the battle, Mara became convalescent as she battled the disease inside her." – I don't know my medical phrasing that well, but this sounds off to me.
 * Fixed.
 * The first paragraph of "A gathering darkness" has almost nothing to do with Mara.
 * Fixed.
 * More to come later. Have a Super Terrific Gonktastically Awesome Day.  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 17:02, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * I believe I've dealt with your objections Gonk :) Greyman ( Paratus ) 21:35, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * To my own surprise, I have no further objections!  Gonk  ( Gonk! ) 14:51, 23 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Just a few things so far:
 * The search for Black Nebula, paragraph 4: Does "Intelligence tactics" really need capitalising?
 * On the run, paragraph 2: "she spotted the Rebel general Crix Madine. Mara followed them"&mdash;last I checked, Crix Madine wasn't plural.
 * Smuggler, paragraph 3: What lightsaber? Didn't she already lose it in the last section?
 * Meeting Skywalker, paragraph 2: Need to mention who Thrawn is and why Karrde needed to hide Luke from him.
 * I think the Emperor's last vision to her could be a little clearer. It gets round to mentioning it all eventually, but a few paragraphs after the subject first comes up. Green Tentacle (Talk) 13:45, 22 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Needs severe cleanup of excessive links. --Imperialles 16:53, 22 August 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * Thanks to the major effort put forth by members of WP:NEGTC, we feel Mara is FA quality. Thanks to Greyman, Solus, McEwok, Imperialles, Finlayson, Jaina Solo and anyone else I forgot. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 02:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Dunno if it still matters, but there is indeed Bts info on Mara in SWAJ1, specifically on pages 50-51. jSarek 07:23, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I added the information. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 13:49, 16 August 2007 (UTC)