Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Log/2018 March 24

Mar 24 21:54:02 	Welcome to Inqmoot 89, then. Mar 24 21:54:42 	In the spirit of good tradition and in order to stave off the New articles list for as long as possible, let's begin with old stuff. Mar 24 21:54:58 	first up, http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Seyugi_Dervish Mar 24 21:55:03 	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432265 Mar 24 21:55:08 	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Seyugi_Dervish Mar 24 21:55:15 	nothing has been done. Mar 24 21:55:23 	Kill Mar 24 21:55:29 	Kill Mar 24 21:55:31 	Kill Mar 24 21:56:11 	absentees are inclined to kill, as well Mar 24 21:56:20 	Seyugi Dervish is a Featured Dervish no more. Mar 24 21:56:43 	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Brianna Mar 24 21:56:54 	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432272 Mar 24 21:56:58 	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Brianna Mar 24 21:57:25 	Stuff was done, more stuff was uncovered. Mar 24 21:57:29 	Extend Mar 24 21:57:33 	Wait Mar 24 21:58:07 <Toprawa>	I'm trying to read and understand everything he's saying on the review page Mar 24 21:58:50 <Toprawa>	He didn't implement CSWECite Mar 24 21:59:12 <Imperators>	he did not. Mar 24 21:59:52 <Toprawa>	There's a handful of just minor cleanup stuff Mar 24 21:59:56 <Toprawa>	Like, why aren't we alternating images? Mar 24 22:00:02 <Toprawa>	There's unitalicized book title(s) Mar 24 22:00:08 <Toprawa>	Linking in the infobox Mar 24 22:00:42 <Toprawa>	I need to check last meeting's log Mar 24 22:01:02 <Imperators>	this could all be listed on the review page if we vote Extend Mar 24 22:01:27 <Toprawa>	From meeting 88's log: Mar 24 22:01:36 <Toprawa>	22:05:27<@Toprawa> Going along with all that, this is the reference being used for her birth year: http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/25061-age-of-the-characters/?p=184142#entry184142 Mar 24 22:01:36 <Toprawa>	22:05:30<@Toprawa> That needs to be explained Mar 24 22:01:36 <Toprawa>	22:05:44<@Toprawa> No normal person will ever understand how the article is arriving at this BBY date Mar 24 22:01:39 <Toprawa>	He did not address this Mar 24 22:02:50 <Imperators>	it wasn't put on the review page, though, so I'd still be willing to extend Mar 24 22:02:57 <Toprawa>	Am I wrong to think this should be sent to REDUX for the sake of giving it a full re-review? Mar 24 22:03:19 	I would agree with that. Mar 24 22:03:28 <Imperators>	Now that's a name Kenobi hasn't heard in a long time Mar 24 22:03:43 	I'm also wondering if the KOTOR miniatures set should be in the sources section. Mar 24 22:03:53 	The preview for it is. Mar 24 22:03:55 <Toprawa>	There's so many little points of cleanup in here Mar 24 22:04:00 <Toprawa>	It just can't properly done through a meeting review Mar 24 22:04:20 <Toprawa>	If he's willing to work on this in full, it deserves a REDUX Mar 24 22:04:33 <Toprawa>	Sounds like a REDUX objection, EJ :P Mar 24 22:04:53 <Toprawa>	Ok, I vote REUX Mar 24 22:04:54 <Toprawa>	REDUX* Mar 24 22:04:55 <Imperators>	can we send this to Redux with just three votes, though? Mar 24 22:05:03 	Yeah, I just wanted to put it here in case I forgot later. Mar 24 22:05:04 <Toprawa>	We can interpret SE's vote in favor of it Mar 24 22:05:10 <Toprawa>	He gave his vote to me in all other instances Mar 24 22:05:22 	REDUX Mar 24 22:05:28 <Imperators>	and ecks gave his vote to SE :D Mar 24 22:05:35 <Toprawa>	Man, that's five :P Mar 24 22:05:35 <Imperators>	okay, I vote Redux, as well Mar 24 22:05:37 <Toprawa>	XD Mar 24 22:05:50 <Imperators>	Brianna sent to Redux Mar 24 22:06:14 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Raana_Tey Mar 24 22:06:19 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432276 Mar 24 22:06:23 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Raana_Tey Mar 24 22:06:30 <Imperators>	a simple one again Mar 24 22:06:39 <Imperators>	no changes, kill Mar 24 22:06:50 <Toprawa>	Kill Mar 24 22:06:56 <Imperators>	absentees agree to kill Mar 24 22:06:59 	Kill Mar 24 22:07:07 <Imperators>	Raana Tey killed Mar 24 22:07:26 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sajar Mar 24 22:07:31 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432324 Mar 24 22:07:37 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Sajar Mar 24 22:07:46 <Imperators>	zero change kill Mar 24 22:07:51 	Kill Mar 24 22:07:59 <Imperators>	absentees concur Mar 24 22:08:08 <Toprawa>	Kill Mar 24 22:08:19 <Imperators>	Sajar u dead Mar 24 22:08:36 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Celeste_Morne Mar 24 22:08:41 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432329 Mar 24 22:08:45 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Celeste_Morne Mar 24 22:09:10 <Imperators>	yay, zero changes Mar 24 22:09:18 	Kill Mar 24 22:09:30 <Toprawa>	Kill Mar 24 22:09:32 <Imperators>	absentees and I vote "yay, kill" Mar 24 22:09:38 <Imperators>	Celeste killed Mar 24 22:09:55 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mark_VII_experimental_prototype_assassin_droid Mar 24 22:10:03 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7436312 Mar 24 22:10:09 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Mark_VII_experimental_prototype_assassin_droid Mar 24 22:10:25 <Imperators>	apparently not even bots have touched this one Mar 24 22:10:26 <Imperators>	kill Mar 24 22:10:28 <Toprawa>	Kill Mar 24 22:10:44 	Kill Mar 24 22:10:50 <Imperators>	absentees kill Mar 24 22:10:54 <Imperators>	Mark VII killed Mar 24 22:11:09 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ord_Antalaha Mar 24 22:11:13 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432335 Mar 24 22:11:18 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Ord_Antalaha Mar 24 22:11:22 <Imperators>	nothing. Astro-kill Mar 24 22:11:37 <Toprawa>	Kill Mar 24 22:11:45 <Imperators>	absentees also astro-kill Mar 24 22:11:53 	Kill Mar 24 22:11:59 <Imperators>	Ord Antalaha killed Mar 24 22:12:10 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Guard Mar 24 22:12:14 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432338 Mar 24 22:12:19 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Imperial_Guard Mar 24 22:12:32 <Imperators>	nothing. kill Mar 24 22:12:39 	Kill Mar 24 22:12:42 <Imperators>	absentees also kill Mar 24 22:13:08 <Toprawa>	Kill Mar 24 22:13:16 <Imperators>	Imperial Guard killed Mar 24 22:13:20 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE/D_Defender/Legends Mar 24 22:13:24 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432344 Mar 24 22:13:29 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/TIE/D_Defender/Legends Mar 24 22:13:30 <Toprawa>	I can already see I want to send this one back for further cleanup Mar 24 22:13:47 <Toprawa>	The images are not formatted well, probably because he's not looking at the article in Oasis Mar 24 22:14:02 <Toprawa>	Example: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE/D_Defender/Legends#Other_Imperial_use Mar 24 22:14:10 <Toprawa>	If you're looking at that in Oasis, those two images are just too close together Mar 24 22:14:15 <Toprawa>	They're not spaced out very well Mar 24 22:14:17 <Toprawa>	They're too small Mar 24 22:14:22 <Toprawa>	That's like Monobook size thumbnails Mar 24 22:14:30 <Toprawa>	They aren't even alternating correctly from the beginning of the Description Mar 24 22:14:45 <Toprawa>	Like half of his subsection titles have the word "use" in them Mar 24 22:14:50 <Toprawa>	Which is incredibly redundant Mar 24 22:15:20 <Toprawa>	Oasis can usually handle 200-250 px in size, FYI Mar 24 22:15:31 <Toprawa>	Whereas Monobook is like 180 or less Mar 24 22:15:31 <Imperators>	yeah, the article either needs more images or just larger existing ones Mar 24 22:16:03 	Does the intro seem a little undersized? Mar 24 22:16:12 <Imperators>	I think some of the paragraphs could use a little splitting for Oasis Mar 24 22:16:21 <Toprawa>	I'd be ok with an expansion, including not having a one-sentence paragraph Mar 24 22:16:25 	Like it was written for a much shorter article originally. Mar 24 22:17:10 <Imperators>	let us extend, then Mar 24 22:17:18 <Toprawa>	Extend Mar 24 22:17:28 	extend Mar 24 22:17:53 <Imperators>	absentees surrender all their freedoms to Tope and also vote extend Mar 24 22:17:58 <Toprawa>	:D Mar 24 22:18:32 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Form_VII/Legends Mar 24 22:18:37 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432349 Mar 24 22:18:42 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Form_VII/Legends Mar 24 22:18:44 <Toprawa>	Grunny is volunteering this one for death Mar 24 22:18:50 <Toprawa>	Let us oblige :P Mar 24 22:19:03 <Imperators>	nothing was done, anyway Mar 24 22:19:05 <Toprawa>	Kill Mar 24 22:19:06 <Imperators>	kill Mar 24 22:19:13 	Kill Mar 24 22:19:20 <Imperators>	absentee-kill Mar 24 22:19:37 <Imperators>	Form VII, the Way of the Killed Article Mar 24 22:19:58 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Erv_Lekauf Mar 24 22:20:03 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432354 Mar 24 22:20:07 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Erv_Lekauf Mar 24 22:20:10 <Imperators>	nothing. kill Mar 24 22:20:17 	Kill Mar 24 22:20:19 <Toprawa>	Kill Mar 24 22:20:32 <Imperators>	absentees vote kill Mar 24 22:20:36 <Imperators>	Erv Lekauf killed Mar 24 22:20:53 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/CT-96/298 Mar 24 22:20:57 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432358 Mar 24 22:21:01 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/CT-96/298 Mar 24 22:21:14 <Imperators>	no change, kill Mar 24 22:21:16 <Toprawa>	Kill Mar 24 22:21:18 <Imperators>	absentees vote kill Mar 24 22:21:45 	Kill Mar 24 22:21:59 <Imperators>	CT-numbers killed Mar 24 22:22:11 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tarrin_Datch Mar 24 22:22:15 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432362 Mar 24 22:23:01 <Toprawa>	What happened? Mar 24 22:23:42 <Imperators>	I accidentally closed my browser, that's what :P Mar 24 22:23:56 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Tarrin_Datch_(second_review) Mar 24 22:24:11 <Imperators>	no change, kill Mar 24 22:24:14 <Toprawa>	Kill Mar 24 22:24:36 	Kill Mar 24 22:24:43 <Imperators>	Tarrin Datch killed Mar 24 22:24:55 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tenk_Lenso Mar 24 22:24:56 <Toprawa>	Note absentees, for the record Mar 24 22:25:02 <Toprawa>	On Datch Mar 24 22:25:12 <Imperators>	absentees did vote kill on Tarrin Datch Mar 24 22:25:27 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432372 Mar 24 22:25:32 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Tenk_Lenso_(second_review) Mar 24 22:25:52 <Imperators>	no change; me and absentees vote kill Mar 24 22:26:00 <Toprawa>	Kill Mar 24 22:26:05 	Kill Mar 24 22:26:12 <Imperators>	Tenk Lenso killed Mar 24 22:26:46 <Imperators>	second to last, but neither second nor least Mar 24 22:26:51 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hetton Mar 24 22:26:55 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432384 Mar 24 22:27:00 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Hetton Mar 24 22:27:13 <Toprawa>	Kill Mar 24 22:27:15 <Imperators>	nothing, which elicits a kill response from me and the absentees Mar 24 22:27:35 	Kill Mar 24 22:27:41 <Imperators>	Mr. Hetton killed Mar 24 22:27:50 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/HK-47 Mar 24 22:27:54 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=7432450 Mar 24 22:27:59 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/HK-47_(third_review) Mar 24 22:28:33 <Imperators>	Tm_T has asked for a few weeks' time Mar 24 22:28:33 <Toprawa>	I'm not interested in extending this one for something Tm might to do in "weeks" Mar 24 22:28:52 <Imperators>	... but has done nothing Mar 24 22:28:52 <Toprawa>	And all the changes and cleanup are probably significant enough for a REDUX, anyways Mar 24 22:29:00 <Toprawa>	He might as well just fix it and renominate it Mar 24 22:29:10 	I think this one is going to be hard to salvage. Mar 24 22:29:37 <Imperators>	Redux, then Mar 24 22:29:45 <Toprawa>	No, I'm saying kill it Mar 24 22:29:47 <Toprawa>	He didn't do anything Mar 24 22:29:58 <Imperators>	true, sorry, kill Mar 24 22:30:04 <Toprawa>	Kill Mar 24 22:30:05 	Kill Mar 24 22:30:22 <Imperators>	SE votes kill Mar 24 22:30:26 <Imperators>	ecks is not against killing Mar 24 22:30:34 <Imperators>	HK-47 killed Mar 24 22:31:05 <Imperators>	and that's it for the old stuff Mar 24 22:31:18 <Imperators>	do we want to do the new stuff? :D Mar 24 22:31:39 <Imperators>	ugh, we only struck one item :P Mar 24 22:31:40 <Toprawa>	Yes :P Mar 24 22:31:42 	We need to do some new stuff. Mar 24 22:31:50 <Toprawa>	We've only been here for 30 minutes Mar 24 22:32:10 <Imperators>	I wasn't being entirely serious :P Mar 24 22:32:12 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Conclave_on_Exis_Station Mar 24 22:32:25 <Imperators>	Conclave on Exis Station — tag has been up for three years now. Mar 24 22:32:25 <Imperators>	   First two sentences in behind the scenes mention Tales of the Jedi: Redemption 1: A Gathering of Jedi and Tales of the Jedi: Redemption 2: The Search for Peace, though a single ref tag is only made to the first publication. Mar 24 22:32:57 <Imperators>	probe from me and absentees Mar 24 22:33:03 <Toprawa>	Image formatting sucks Mar 24 22:33:10 <Toprawa>	There's no reason to not alternate L-R Mar 24 22:33:14 <Toprawa>	instead of R-L Mar 24 22:33:43 <Toprawa>	Probe Mar 24 22:33:55 	Probe Mar 24 22:34:21 <Imperators>	for the sake of uniformity, refs should not cite page numbers in this case, unless, of course, it's CSWECite Mar 24 22:34:29 <Toprawa>	Oh Mar 24 22:34:33 <Toprawa>	Nevermind Mar 24 22:34:43 <Toprawa>	Wait Mar 24 22:35:03 <Toprawa>	We have an effective event layout Mar 24 22:35:24 <Toprawa>	"Principal participants" isn't part of it Mar 24 22:35:33 <Toprawa>	I don't know if we want to go after that or not Mar 24 22:35:50 <Toprawa>	I guess we can let it go for now Mar 24 22:35:57 <Toprawa>	Ignore Mar 24 22:36:09 <Imperators>	Conclave on Ecks Station probed Mar 24 22:36:23 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darca_Nyl Mar 24 22:36:33 <Imperators>	"an Equipment section would be a good idea. Introduction seems disproportionately long compared to the body. " Mar 24 22:36:41 <Toprawa>	CSWECite Mar 24 22:36:42 <Toprawa>	TalesCite Mar 24 22:36:50 <Toprawa>	BTS should mention which Tales issue that story appears in Mar 24 22:37:04 <Toprawa>	Some of the P/T should turn into a Skills and abilities section Mar 24 22:37:07 <Toprawa>	P/T could be subsectioned Mar 24 22:37:32 <Toprawa>	Probe Mar 24 22:37:38 	Probe Mar 24 22:37:41 <Imperators>	probe from me and absentees Mar 24 22:37:47 <Imperators>	Darca Nyl probed Mar 24 22:37:58 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hallis_Saper Mar 24 22:38:07 <Toprawa>	Ok, something to note on this Mar 24 22:38:08 <Imperators>	Hallis Saper — ABY date citations predate the first IU usage of the BBY/ABY system. Mar 24 22:38:08 <Imperators>	   Fixed. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 10:31, March 17, 2018 (UTC) Mar 24 22:38:13 <Toprawa>	Because I think we're going to be seeing this in a few cases Mar 24 22:38:23 <Toprawa>	I don't find QGJ's efforts and sourcing these dates to be adequate Mar 24 22:38:46 <Toprawa>	Unless something is directly referenced in Reader's Companion, for example, you really can't just stick that onto a date and call it a day Mar 24 22:38:51 <Toprawa>	For example Mar 24 22:39:07 <Toprawa>	"In 13 ABY,[4] Saper was invited to document the New Republic's mission to Adumar. Saper was annoyed by...." Mar 24 22:39:18 <Toprawa>	ERC doesn't say these specific things are happening in 13 ABY Mar 24 22:39:23 <Toprawa>	It just dates the book's events in general to that date Mar 24 22:39:33 <Toprawa>	It would be much better to use a manual ref note Mar 24 22:39:51 <Toprawa>	"The Essential Reader's Companion dates the events of X-Wing: Starfighters of Adumar to 13 BY." Mar 24 22:39:53 <Toprawa>	ABY* Mar 24 22:39:59 <Toprawa>	That's what I would like to see Mar 24 22:40:15 <Imperators>	Ref 5 should use a citation template Mar 24 22:40:17 <Toprawa>	Please take note of this QGJ, because you did this in like a hundred different articles Mar 24 22:40:18 	Reference 2 could be structured / worded better. Mar 24 22:40:52 <Imperators>	true, what even is that thing Mar 24 22:41:21 <Imperators>	I'm not convinced there's no images to be had Mar 24 22:41:40 <Toprawa>	The BTS kind of sucks Mar 24 22:41:51 <Toprawa>	At least a publication year should always be mentioned Mar 24 22:42:19 <Toprawa>	Probe Mar 24 22:42:38 	Probe Mar 24 22:42:53 <Imperators>	probe from me and absentees Mar 24 22:43:06 <Imperators>	ecks actually already noted some of our objections Mar 24 22:43:13 <Imperators>	Hallis Saper probed Mar 24 22:43:31 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Danni_Quee Mar 24 22:43:39 <Imperators>	Danni Quee — check date citations; ABY date citations (infobox, for instance) predate the first IU usage of the BBY/ABY system. Mar 24 22:43:39 <Imperators>	   Second behind scenes sentence not sourced. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 04:42, March 10, 2018 (UTC) Mar 24 22:44:01 <Toprawa>	There's a redlink Mar 24 22:44:05 <Toprawa>	Image formatting sucks Mar 24 22:44:07 <Toprawa>	Take note: Mar 24 22:44:16 <Toprawa>	In Oasis, images should never be placed above the quote in an article section Mar 24 22:44:22 <Toprawa>	It looks like shit, and it's unnecessary Mar 24 22:44:31 <Toprawa>	We did that for Monobook sometimes to help things fit better Mar 24 22:44:42 	The linking is kind of bad. Mar 24 22:45:04 <Toprawa>	BTS should mention years Mar 24 22:45:12 <Toprawa>	For publications Mar 24 22:45:19 <Imperators>	even image captions are not great. Two of the images just say "Danni Quee". Mar 24 22:45:46 <Imperators>	me and SE and ecks vote probe Mar 24 22:45:56 <Toprawa>	Isn't it kind of weird to list the three canceled Knightfall books in a non-canon appearances section? Mar 24 22:45:58 <Toprawa>	They're not really non-canon Mar 24 22:46:01 <Toprawa>	They're just canceled Mar 24 22:46:05 	Yeah, I was thinking that too. Mar 24 22:46:12 <Toprawa>	I don't think they should really be listed at all Mar 24 22:46:20 <Imperators>	agree Mar 24 22:46:28 <Toprawa>	Probe Mar 24 22:46:35 	Probe Mar 24 22:47:02 <Imperators>	Danni Quee probed Mar 24 22:47:15 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dace_Diath Mar 24 22:47:23 <Imperators>	Dace Diath — 1990s BBY citations (I initially overlooked this, but his 3996 BBY death is cited to a 1996 publication), check the "well before 4017 BBY" birth year in infobox and bio. Mar 24 22:47:23 <Imperators>	   Behind the scenes has no citations. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 04:42, March 10, 2018 (UTC) Mar 24 22:47:23 <Imperators>	       All taken care of. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 11:16, March 17, 2018 (UTC) Mar 24 22:47:23 <Imperators>	   Intro-exclusive links. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 12:50, March 17, 2018 (UTC) Mar 24 22:47:30 <Toprawa>	uh Mar 24 22:47:33 <Toprawa>	Nope Mar 24 22:47:55 <Toprawa>	His birth date should say "By 4017 BBY" Mar 24 22:47:59 <Toprawa>	He could just have easily been born in that year Mar 24 22:48:07 <Toprawa>	This needs to be changed in the infobox and article body Mar 24 22:48:30 <Toprawa>	Again, with the manual ref date noting as mentioned earlier in this log Mar 24 22:48:50 <Toprawa>	The only way just listing the source in the reference really works is if that source is explicitly mentioning the following events Mar 24 22:49:16 <Imperators>	Appearances should be listing individual comic issues, not story arcs Mar 24 22:49:22 <Toprawa>	Like, does NEC directly reference that stuff in the "One with the Force" section? Mar 24 22:49:31 <Imperators>	same with referencing Mar 24 22:49:36 <Toprawa>	I don't even know, because QGJ's referencing doesn't indicate one way or another Mar 24 22:49:59 <Toprawa>	I'm guessing no, since NEC isn't listed in the Sources Mar 24 22:50:15 	Shouldn't that image have the text in the text bubbles? Mar 24 22:50:26 <Toprawa>	I think so Mar 24 22:50:36 	This one: Dace constructing a lightsaber under the guidance of Vodo-Siosk Baas. Mar 24 22:50:48 <Imperators>	indeed Mar 24 22:50:50 <Toprawa>	For that matter, we might as well call out the images for being outside the Club Mar 24 22:50:58 	The second one has the text bubbles cropped off. Mar 24 22:51:07 <Toprawa>	Redemption's scans are really nice and are actually higher resolution, but the digital images are ultimately sharper Mar 24 22:51:43 <Toprawa>	Translation: Mar 24 22:51:50 <Toprawa>	Get digital images of these comic panels Mar 24 22:51:56 <Toprawa>	Per Image policy Mar 24 22:52:05 <Toprawa>	Probe Mar 24 22:52:08 	Probe Mar 24 22:52:10 <Imperators>	me and SE probe Mar 24 22:52:18 <Imperators>	Dace Diath probed Mar 24 22:52:36 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Roni_von_Wasaki Mar 24 22:52:41 	As a note: I'm going to have to head out in a few minutes. Mar 24 22:52:45 <Imperators>	Roni von Wasaki — Redlink. Reference 1 should incorporate citation template. BTS needs to be sourced. 20,000 BBY date needs some kind of date reference; BBY wasn't invented in 1992. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:16, March 4, 2018 (UTC) Mar 24 22:52:52 	Tope has my vote after I leave. Mar 24 22:52:55 <Toprawa>	Culator got 2 of the 3 things Mar 24 22:52:59 <Toprawa>	But BTS is still unreferenced Mar 24 22:53:20 <Toprawa>	And a redlink Mar 24 22:53:24 <Toprawa>	Probe Mar 24 22:53:38 	Probe Mar 24 22:53:54 <Imperators>	ref 1 should be fully linked and better-formatted Mar 24 22:53:56 <Imperators>	probe Mar 24 22:54:09 <Imperators>	absentees also probe Mar 24 22:54:11 <Imperators>	Roni probed Mar 24 22:54:22 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Empatojayos_Brand Mar 24 22:54:33 <Imperators>	I'm not going to paste all that Mar 24 22:54:39 <Toprawa>	Same date referencing issue mentioned earlier in this log Mar 24 22:54:42 <Toprawa>	Get digital images Mar 24 22:54:50 <Toprawa>	Mention publication years in the BTS Mar 24 22:54:56 <Toprawa>	Format images better Mar 24 22:55:02 <Toprawa>	Including placement and thumbnail size Mar 24 22:55:41 <Toprawa>	The BTS just kind of sucks Mar 24 22:55:45 <Toprawa>	In terms of writing Mar 24 22:55:51 <Toprawa>	Writer it better. :P Mar 24 22:55:57 <Toprawa>	Paragraph breaks there would be nice Mar 24 22:56:07 <Toprawa>	Like, the random one-sentence paragraph at the end is poor Mar 24 22:56:35 	Probe Mar 24 22:56:35 <Toprawa>	Right now, it's just like a random list of trivia Mar 24 22:56:40 <Toprawa>	Probe Mar 24 22:56:41 <Imperators>	yeah, BTS should be rewritten Mar 24 22:56:52 	I've got to head out now. Again, Tope has my vote. Mar 24 22:56:56 <Toprawa>	Thanks Mar 24 22:56:59 *	exiledjedi is now known as exiledjedi|away Mar 24 22:57:00 <Toprawa>	SEe you, EJ Mar 24 22:57:11 <Imperators>	me and SE vote probe also Mar 24 22:57:20 <Imperators>	Empatojayos probed Mar 24 22:57:41 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vodo-Siosk_Baas Mar 24 22:57:56 <Toprawa>	Date referencing Mar 24 22:58:07 <Toprawa>	The intro is probably too long respective to the length of the Bio Mar 24 22:58:15 <Toprawa>	The third paragraph in particular is ridiculous Mar 24 22:58:24 <Imperators>	missing backup links Mar 24 22:58:25 <Toprawa>	There's probably no reason for it to go beyond the infobox in length Mar 24 22:58:35 <Toprawa>	Get digital images Mar 24 22:58:46 <Toprawa>	Paragraph breaks as needed throughout Mar 24 22:58:56 <Imperators>	references should be fully-linked Mar 24 22:58:58 <Toprawa>	You could probably fit two images per section in some of those Mar 24 22:59:08 <Toprawa>	This isn't Monobook anymore Mar 24 22:59:20 <Toprawa>	BTS subsectioning and add images there if possible Mar 24 22:59:32 <Toprawa>	Nice empty External links section Mar 24 22:59:32 <Imperators>	^ Mar 24 22:59:44 <Imperators>	me and SE probe Mar 24 22:59:50 <Toprawa>	Me and EJ probe Mar 24 22:59:57 <Imperators>	dat teamwork Mar 24 23:00:00 <Imperators>	Vodo probed Mar 24 23:00:03 <Toprawa>	High five Mar 24 23:00:15 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zeison_Sha instead Mar 24 23:00:21 <Imperators>	Zeison Sha — Redlink. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:48, March 13, 2018 (UTC) Mar 24 23:00:21 <Imperators>	   Vader and Jedi hunters mentioned in intro but not in main article. Mar 24 23:00:21 <Imperators>	   Underlinked. Mar 24 23:00:21 <Imperators>	   Check 4000 BBY citation. Though Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords was made in 2004, want to verify that can formally be used to cite the date in question. Mar 24 23:00:21 <Imperators>	   2nd behind the scenes paragraph has no citation tag. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 01:49, March 14, 2018 (UTC) Mar 24 23:00:29 <Toprawa>	Me and EJ probe Mar 24 23:00:55 <Imperators>	everyone votes probe Mar 24 23:00:59 <Imperators>	Zeison Sha probed Mar 24 23:01:16 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Koth_Melan Mar 24 23:01:23 <Imperators>	Koth Melan — 3 ABY only in infobox and intro but not in article itself, 17 BBY cited to 1990s material, BTS needs sourcing. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 08:25, March 14, 2018 (UTC) Mar 24 23:01:23 <Imperators>	   All fixed. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 11:01, March 17, 2018 (UTC) Mar 24 23:01:29 <Toprawa>	Again, same date referencing issue mentioned earlier in this meeting log Mar 24 23:01:31 <Imperators>	as noted by ecks, missing backup links Mar 24 23:01:41 <Toprawa>	Ref 20, 22, 23, and 28 need templates Mar 24 23:01:51 <Toprawa>	Cleanup redirect links Mar 24 23:01:58 <Toprawa>	Subsection BTS, probably Mar 24 23:02:08 <Imperators>	some of BTS should be cut, I think Mar 24 23:02:09 <Toprawa>	The BTS image caption is kind of lame Mar 24 23:02:17 <Imperators>	so that it's not a regurgitation of Sources Mar 24 23:02:17 <Toprawa>	Explain what "this image" is Mar 24 23:02:34 <Toprawa>	Digital images pls Mar 24 23:02:36 <Toprawa>	Probe Mar 24 23:02:56 <Imperators>	everyone probes Mar 24 23:03:03 <Imperators>	Koth Melan probed Mar 24 23:03:13 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Drake_Lo%27gaan Mar 24 23:03:16 <Toprawa>	Date ref Mar 24 23:03:19 <Toprawa>	Remove the GrS Mar 24 23:03:21 <Imperators>	Drake Lo'gaan — infobox exclusive info, BTS sourcing needed. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 08:55, March 14, 2018 (UTC) Mar 24 23:03:21 <Imperators>	   Verify if "That choice is likely what embittered Lo'gaan to such a point where he sought nothing but revenge against Darth Vader" is formally said IU by any of the stuff it's cited to. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 02:24, March 15, 2018 (UTC) Mar 24 23:03:45 <Toprawa>	Ref notes should be ordered numerically Mar 24 23:03:50 <Toprawa>	Example: [6][5][3][1] Mar 24 23:03:53 <Imperators>	Social media citations without screenshots Mar 24 23:04:23 <Toprawa>	Clean up the redirects Mar 24 23:04:26 <Toprawa>	Probe Mar 24 23:04:30 <Imperators>	CSWECite Mar 24 23:04:51 <Imperators>	me and SE vote probe Mar 24 23:05:01 <Imperators>	I suppose EJ does, as well Mar 24 23:05:08 <Toprawa>	Yes Mar 24 23:05:09 <Imperators>	Drake probed Mar 24 23:05:18 <Toprawa>	Let my Probe also include EJ as well from here on :P Mar 24 23:05:24 <Imperators>	kay Mar 24 23:05:25 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Visas_Marr Mar 24 23:05:31 <Imperators>	   This edit. If the source listed is applicable, it needs to be formatted properly. Mar 24 23:05:31 <Imperators>	   Missing backup links. Mar 24 23:05:31 <Imperators>	   Infobox-exclusive info. The citation for Marr's birth year needs to be a detailed manual reference note. Mar 24 23:05:31 <Imperators>	   The paragraphs could use some splitting. Mar 24 23:05:31 <Imperators>	   References using external links should be formatted properly, including the use of. Mar 24 23:05:31 <Imperators>	   Commas should go inside quotes. Mar 24 23:05:31 <Imperators>	   There's some weird stuff going on in the third paragraph of Romance. Mar 24 23:05:31 <Imperators>	   There are at least a couple of instances where there's double references without any apparent need. Referencing should be as precise as possible, with each ref used for the specific part of information it supports. Mar 24 23:05:31 <Imperators>	   Image caption punctuation. Imperators II(Talk) 21:53, March 19, 2018 (UTC) Mar 24 23:05:50 <Toprawa>	Date ref is the same situation as with Brianna Mar 24 23:05:58 <Toprawa>	That ridiculous discussion threads needs to be explained Mar 24 23:06:02 <Toprawa>	thread* Mar 24 23:06:04 <Imperators>	lol, thanks, ecks for voting "Spare" :D:D Mar 24 23:06:17 <Toprawa>	Probe Mar 24 23:06:30 <Imperators>	everyone else votes probe, ecks :P Mar 24 23:06:36 <Imperators>	Visas Marr probed Mar 24 23:06:39 	heathens Mar 24 23:06:59 <Toprawa>	ohai Mar 24 23:07:07 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Satele_Shan Mar 24 23:07:16 <Imperators>	image captions, including punctuation, should be cleaned up after this edit. Imperators II(Talk) 22:10, March 19, 2018 (UTC) Mar 24 23:07:22 <Toprawa>	Probe Mar 24 23:07:26 	why did I vote spare on that Mar 24 23:07:28 	whoops Mar 24 23:07:29 	ok bye again Mar 24 23:08:05 <Imperators>	everyone votes probe on Mauser's additions :P Mar 24 23:08:10 <Imperators>	Satele Shan probed Mar 24 23:08:23 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Phobos Mar 24 23:08:28 <Imperators>	   BTS is only partially sourced and contains some probably unnecessary information such as the CSWE mention and the last paragraph. Mar 24 23:08:28 <Imperators>	   What's currently in parentheses in the last sentence of the second paragraph of Legacy needs to be either removed or integrated into BTS. Imperators II(Talk) 22:17, March 19, 2018 (UTC) Mar 24 23:08:28 <Imperators>	   Addressed. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 12:11, March 21, 2018 (UTC) Mar 24 23:08:59 <Toprawa>	Like...I'm fairly certain the TFU databank doesn't mention the year "2000 BBY" Mar 24 23:09:06 <Toprawa>	It probably just says like "two thousand years ago" Mar 24 23:09:06 <Imperators>	I wouldn't be against wiping the IMDb link from External Links Mar 24 23:09:12 <Toprawa>	Yes, it should be Mar 24 23:09:38 <Toprawa>	CSWE Cite in Sources = no Mar 24 23:09:53 <Toprawa>	Rebelscum.com link for Hasbro template in Sources = yes Mar 24 23:10:01 <Imperators>	^ Mar 24 23:10:08 <Toprawa>	Don't we have a template for ref 8? Mar 24 23:10:38 <Toprawa>	Just remove the last sentence of the BTS Mar 24 23:10:42 <Imperators>	for geekosity.blogspot.ru? Why would we? Mar 24 23:10:46 <Toprawa>	It's trivial, Sources-list regurgitation Mar 24 23:10:50 <Imperators>	everyone votes probe Mar 24 23:11:08 <Imperators>	yeah, it's kind of what I listed on the meeting page Mar 24 23:11:14 <Imperators>	Darth Phobos probed Mar 24 23:11:15 <Toprawa>	I thought we had one for his stuff like we do for Fry's (i think) Mar 24 23:11:31 <Imperators>	Vitiate — intro was recently rewritten, needs to be reduxed. Imperators II(Talk) 22:20, March 19, 2018 (UTC) Mar 24 23:11:41 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vitiate Mar 24 23:11:54 <Toprawa>	heh Mar 24 23:12:03 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vitiate?action=history Mar 24 23:12:03 <Toprawa>	I have a better solution: Mar 24 23:12:38 <Imperators>	ref 37 is broken Mar 24 23:12:44 <Toprawa>	Probe it for being way too fucking long :P Mar 24 23:13:02 <Toprawa>	We probably don't ever need a 7-paragraph intro Mar 24 23:13:08 <Imperators>	on that note, extreme subsectioning needed Mar 24 23:13:19 <Imperators>	missing backup links Mar 24 23:13:38 <Toprawa>	Kind of can't believe there can't be an Equipment section Mar 24 23:13:51 <Toprawa>	Probe Mar 24 23:14:08 <Imperators>	cool intro, though. It should be transcluded from another page :P Mar 24 23:14:18 <Imperators>	everyone votes probe Mar 24 23:14:21 <Imperators>	Mr. Vitiate probe Mar 24 23:14:24 <Imperators>	*probed Mar 24 23:14:41 <Imperators>	four articles left Mar 24 23:14:49 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Into_the_Great_Unknown Mar 24 23:14:50 <Toprawa>	:D Mar 24 23:14:55 <Imperators>	Into the Great Unknown — cleanup needed after recent additions. Imperators II(Talk) 22:24, March 19, 2018 (UTC) Mar 24 23:15:02 <Toprawa>	Get digital images Mar 24 23:15:05 <Toprawa>	Clean up redirects Mar 24 23:15:14 <Toprawa>	Non-italics in infobox name field Mar 24 23:15:23 <Imperators>	ecks says cleanup references Mar 24 23:15:35 <Toprawa>	Probe Mar 24 23:15:48 <Imperators>	everyone probes Mar 24 23:15:55 <Imperators>	Into the Great Probe Mar 24 23:16:09 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sith_magic Mar 24 23:16:16 <Imperators>	   The Notable practitioners field of the infobox was recently expanded to a laundry list of users. This should be checked for accuracy, notability, and have the names sorted alphabetically or chronologically. Mar 24 23:16:16 <Imperators>	   We don't do "Possible appearance" anymore, per this. Mar 24 23:16:16 <Imperators>	   Dates need accurate referencing. Mar 24 23:16:16 <Imperators>	   Image caption punctuation + captions should be consistently formatted with respect to linking. Mar 24 23:16:16 <Imperators>	   Sources and references should list individual comic issues, not just story arcs. Mar 24 23:16:16 <Imperators>	   Category:Infoboxes with missing parameters. Mar 24 23:16:16 <Imperators>	   References should be fully linked. Mar 24 23:16:16 <Imperators>	   CSWE references should utilize. Mar 24 23:16:16 <Imperators>	   Paragraphs should be formatted for the Oasis skin. Imperators II(Talk) 22:43, March 19, 2018 (UTC) Mar 24 23:16:28 <Toprawa>	sheesh Mar 24 23:16:30 <Toprawa>	Probe Mar 24 23:16:41 <Imperators>	me and SE probe Mar 24 23:16:44 <Imperators>	Sith magic probed Mar 24 23:16:54 <Imperators>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/X1 Mar 24 23:17:00 <Imperators>	X1 — Let's face it, this is lazy referencing. Imperators II(Talk) 20:59, March 22, 2018 (UTC) Mar 24 23:17:00 <Imperators>	   The paragraph discusses his appearance in the game and his role in it. Before the recent change in policy, that was generally considered to fall under the "self-sourcing" clause. If you can't cite "character X" appeared in "source Y" to that actual source, then how should one reference that? By that logic, the sentence "Luke Skywalker appeared in Star Wars: Episode IV A New Hope cannot be cited to A Mar 24 23:17:00 <Imperators>	New Hope itself. Moving forward, the developers are sourced to the respective version of the game that they were responsible for. Again, if you play the game on PSP, the first thing you see is the Rebellion Developments logo. How is that not a source? Finally, the last part talking about his appearance in the cancelled BF III is sourced to an article discussing the leaked material, which is better that Mar 24 23:17:00 <Imperators>	just citing a YouTube video. If the article is not credible enough, then I'm fine with that part being removed altogether, but there is no official material that discusses Battlefront III, unlike, say, KotoOR 3. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 11:42, March 24, 2018 (UTC) Mar 24 23:17:21 <Imperators>	I believe QGJ missed my point that Citeweb was implemented lazily Mar 24 23:17:31 <Toprawa>	Yeah Mar 24 23:17:33 <Toprawa>	Please, people Mar 24 23:17:36 <Toprawa>	Read the fucking template page Mar 24 23:17:40 <Toprawa>	It says REMOVE UNUSED PARAMETERS Mar 24 23:17:45 <Toprawa>	This is one of my pet peeves, sorry Mar 24 23:18:08 <Imperators>	in this case, though, more fields should be filled out Mar 24 23:19:13 <Imperators>	22 BBY referencing doesn't work Mar 24 23:20:19 <Imperators>	image captions should either consistently link everything or not link anything Mar 24 23:20:32 <Imperators>	preferably the latter Mar 24 23:20:38 <Toprawa>	Probe Mar 24 23:20:50 <Imperators>	everyone probes except ecks, again :P Mar 24 23:20:54 <Imperators>	X1 probed Mar 24 23:21:12 <Imperators>	Finally, http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_Gran_(Rimmer%27s_Rest_cantina) Mar 24 23:21:21 <Imperators>	Has undergone a large enough update that I believe it's a candidate for REDUX. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:48, March 24, 2018 (UTC) Mar 24 23:21:38 <Toprawa>	He added a whole chunk of info that he originally thought shouldn't be included or some such Mar 24 23:22:00 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_Gran_(Rimmer%27s_Rest_cantina)?diff=7534647&oldid=7516746 Mar 24 23:22:08 <Imperators>	Redux Mar 24 23:22:13 <Imperators>	Redux from SE, as well Mar 24 23:22:14 <Toprawa>	Redux Mar 24 23:22:27 <Imperators>	Unidentified Gran sent to Redux Mar 24 23:22:40 <Toprawa>	Let us not touch the Maintenance bin today :P Mar 24 23:22:55 <Imperators>	yes, I intended to propose that as well Mar 24 23:23:08 <Imperators>	you want to discuss anything, Tope? :D Mar 24 23:23:20 <Toprawa>	Sort of Mar 24 23:23:34 <Toprawa>	I was going to say that I think we've been doing a really nice job of advancing the FAN page lately Mar 24 23:23:43 <Toprawa>	It's not really up to us whether an article passes or fails Mar 24 23:23:45 <Toprawa>	That's up to the nominator Mar 24 23:23:51 <Toprawa>	Our job is to keep things moving Mar 24 23:23:53 <Toprawa>	Which we've been doing Mar 24 23:23:56 <Toprawa>	Let's keep it up Mar 24 23:24:02 <Toprawa>	And go review more stuff, people Mar 24 23:24:16 <Imperators>	amen to that Mar 24 23:24:35 <Toprawa>	Cool Mar 24 23:25:03 <Imperators>	okay, on to scheduling. Tope gets Meeting 90, and you'll never believe who's on paperwork, ecks. Mar 24 23:25:08 <Toprawa>	hah Mar 24 23:25:11 <Toprawa>	haha Mar 24 23:25:13 <Toprawa>	hahaha Mar 24 23:25:25 	hshsjsi Mar 24 23:25:27 	I resign Mar 24 23:25:32 <Imperators>	ecks will be so glad we didn't touch the Maintenance bin Mar 24 23:25:45 <Imperators>	thanks for participating, people Mar 24 23:25:51 <Imperators>	meeting adjourned