Talk:Star Wars: The Old Republic

Do we really need an article on a rumored game? --Imperialles 22:19, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * It needs to be sourced at least. --  Riffsyphon  1024 22:47, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
 * Didn't we delete the pages for KOTOR 3 and BF 3? This is no different than those. This should go. Kuralyov 05:52, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Damn. I was hoping for a KOTOR I style epic, now we're going to get this Galaxies style garbage.  Victor  ( talk ) 05:27, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Move
I believe this page should, for now, be moved to Untitled Star Wars MMORPG until we get an actual confirmation on the name, and if it's even going to be a sequel to KOTOR II.  Victor  ( talk ) 01:15, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Better yet, "rumored Star Wars MMORPG." &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 19:27, 16 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Well no because its not rumored its confirmed by a EA Ceo didn't you read the article? Steves490 23:40, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Look at the timestamp of Silly Dan's post. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 23:58, 17 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Can an admin rename the article to the correct game name ? DreosskBlanc.jpg Dreossk  | 00:53, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Moving it to Star Wars: The Old Republic isn't just speculation, it's common sense. Drewton  Era-old.png ( Drewton's Holocron ) 02:31, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Someone reverted the edit with reason: speculation. It's not speculation, EA's boss confirmed it and the source was there, what do they need more ? Damn it's impossible to edit anything on Wookieepedia, I never suceeded. DreosskBlanc.jpg Dreossk  | 15:01, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Did they confirm the name in the confirmation of the game? If not, that is indeed speculation. 15:02, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * George Lucas would make an account on Wookieepedia to edit the page and you'd revert him. I'm off. DreosskBlanc.jpg Dreossk  | 15:04, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * That all depends on whether he could back up his edits. You can't, so you got reverted. Simple as that. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 15:09, 18 July 2008 (UTC)

Not an MMO
From an interview: "John Riccitiello said that EA is working on the next version of Star Wars game Knights of the Old Republic, and it will most certainly have a massively multiplayer online component to it." It seems that the main part of the game will not be online multiplayer. Drewton  ( Drewton's Holocron ) 13:07, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

I agree cause I would be pissed if I have to pay by the month just to see what happens to Revan.User:Revanthereformer1138
 * So if it's not an MMO, what exactly is it? We can't keep the article (title and content) as it is now if it's just going to be a misrepresentation of information. // ~mikah~  19:21, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * "Knights of the Old Republic single player game with MMO component" would be too long, would it not? Drewton  Era-old.png ( Drewton's Holocron ) 19:24, 25 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not the one suggesting it. :) Though, yes, it would be quite a mouthful. Regardless, the title and article content in question give off the impression that the game provides solely an online, multiplayer experience. If I may, I suggest using "Untitled Knights of the old Republic game" (or at least something along those lines, if still too large), as we do with yet-to-be-titled novels. // ~mikah~  19:40, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

That sounds better. Also, this site reports that the title of the game will be announced within the next 30 days. Drewton  ( Drewton's Holocron ) 02:21, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * If so, then I wouldn't object to waiting the extra month. A Conjecture tag can be used until then. // ~mikah~  18:16, 3 October 2008 (UTC)
 * there is going to be a press conference on october 21 to 'officially' announce the game and reveal information. an invite was mailed to gaming press. http://au.gamespy.com/articles/916/916588p1.html Philby 23:11, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

The Wait is Over
"The Wait is Over", according to G4. I hate to speculate, but KOTOR 3 is the game we've been waiting for, so hopefully this really is KOTOR 3 and not entirely a MMO. Drewton  ( Drewton's Holocron ) 01:58, 9 October 2008 (UTC) It's a MMO. Drewton  Drewton's Holocron ]])|undefined 00:54, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Forgot to link to this as well. I know nothing of Gamasutra, but from the article it sounds like he/she/it's in some way affiliating with LucasArts. Would anyone object if I added that teaser poster to the article? Drewton  Era-old.png ( Drewton's Holocron ) 02:00, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I say go for it, though note that it is the suspected KotOR "MMO" banner rather than the official. As it features neither title nor trademark--only "Lucasarts" and "Bioware"--we can't force these things to fit our desires. (But if I may add with a completely unnecessary comment, I certainly do hope it is the game I've been losing sleep over. If the graphics are to be as sharp as they are in the banner, I'm sold.) // ~mikah~  02:16, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't trust any site thats at ".NET". -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png (Talk) 01:28, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

I hope this game doen't use DRM tech(I assume it's on a disc). C&C Modder 09:01, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Time to Move
The Old Republic? Dangerdan97 21:45, 21 October 2008 (UTC) This is disappointing, to say the least. Drewton  ( Drewton's Holocron ) 16:03, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The website posted in the section above is a fansite that leads me to no actual confirmation of the new name. Is it reliable? // ~mikah~  22:42, 21 October 2008 (UTC) Scratch, I've found the the official site. //  ~mikah~  22:46, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Timeline error?
I registered on the forums, and saw some interesting things

It seemed that people's forum avatars bore the insignias of the rebel alliance and galactic empire. awful mistake by EA, or is there something Im missing? Also, one of the avatars appears to be similar toan AT-AT head.

71.36.50.212 02:36, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think the avatars are indications of what's in the game, but rather popular images based on all eras, but I'm far from sure. 14:30, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * There's also clone trooper armor in the concept art. Drewton  Era-old.png ( Drewton's Holocron ) 15:49, 23 October 2008 (UTC)


 * the 'clone troopers' from the concept art are infact republic special forces, no doubt the non-jedi character's role-Guest


 * The insignias seem to be for the Republic (based on the Rebel one) and the Sith (based on the Empire's insignia which was based on the Republic's). So not a timeline error more like an association error, I really dislike it though and I hope they decide to change it (unfortunatly I don't think that's likely to happen). -


 * Actually, the Republic logo here seems to resemble that of the Jedi Order more than the Rebellion's, but I can't think of an in-universe reason for why that would happen. -MPK 19:24, 21 January 2009 (UTC)

Setting
I'd like to post this:

The Setting
"The Galactic Republic stood for generations as a bastion of peace in a galaxy of warring star systems. Protected by its stalwart Jedi guardians, the Republic held the greatest hope for the progress of civilization and galactic unity.

Deep in unknown space, however, a mighty Sith Empire was forged, led by dark Sith Lords who dreamt of galactic domination and vengeance against their ancient Jedi enemies. After centuries of preparation, the time came for the Sith to make their return.

With a massive fleet and an awe-inspiring army of fearless troops, the Sith Emperor launched a surprise assault, quickly capturing dozens of worlds in the Outer Rim, and sparking a war unlike any other in the galaxy’s history.

From the frozen wastes of Ilum to the desert plains of Dathomir, violent battles killed untold millions. Despite its avowed neutrality, surface structures on the water-covered world of Manaan were completely destroyed, forcing the Selkath to retreat to their ocean underworld. Other star systems fared worse—some destroyed, others left uninhabitable. The carnage concluded with the Sith Empire sacking the Republic's capital planet of Coruscant and forcing the Republic Senate into the controversial Treaty of Coruscant.

In the years since the treaty, fear and uncertainty have gripped the galaxy, enabling the Sith Emperor to pursue his own mysterious purposes while the Republic has made efforts to rebuild its infrastructure and adjust military priorities to the new galactic landscape.

Now, tensions between the Republic and the Empire are running high, and a series of border skirmishes and proxy wars have broken out, even on planets as historically peaceful as Alderaan. The uneasy truce established by the Treaty of Coruscant is quickly tearing apart at the seams, and a return to all-out war has begun in all but official terms.

A new generation of heroes, both light and dark, emerges to face the difficulties of these chaotic times, and fight for the fate of the galaxy in this most desperate age."

But it's from the official site and we're not allowed to post unedited citations, aren't we??? Mennis 10:11 CET, 24 October 2008

Please tell me that they aren't going to try and say that Naga Sadow is the Sith Emperor in this game like they said here ... Stormstrider 21:49, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, sooo...
Ok so is this a mmo or kotor 3? i want a mmo (mainly a freebie like runescape.)- CH
 * An MMO. The article says so in the very first line. // ~mikah~  02:04, 30 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's an MMO instead of KotOR3. Tim Nichols, executive producer at Lucasarts clearly says so in a video-interview on Gamespot: "There are a lot of rasons we decided not to do KotOR3 and why we decided to do this as an MMO instead." - http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/starwarstheoldrepublic/video.html?sid=6199708&tag=other-user-related-content;1 Jediphile 18:48, 12 December 2008 (UTC)

Locked?
Why is this page locked because there is tons of content that I able to put on about the plot and backstory?XtremeGoose 01:49, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Revan
Will Revan appear in the game or any other characters from kotor or kotor 2?


 * I doubt we will see that many characters, considering that this game takes place hundreds of years after the previous two. Still, there is a possibility for members of long-lived species and droids to appear. I, for one, am hoping for HK-47. As for Revan, well, maybe, maybe not. If he does, then it will probably be a major plot point. 09:18, 12 December 2008 (UTC)


 * It seems pretty clear to me that placing the plot 300 after the KotOR games is done to no small degree to preclude any possibility of Revan or the exile appearing in the game and thus avoid the question of their genders and alignments, which would cause trouble among some fans no matter how it was done. But clearly they failed to stop the true Sith, because here they are 300 years later bashing the Republic. However, the FAQ on the website says the following: "Given that it is approximately 300 years since the events of Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic, many of the characters have passed away. However, their legacy does live on as many of their descendants will be part of Star Wars: The Old Republic. Some droids can last a long time as well." To me this means that Revan and exile are long dead along with all their companions, though we will likely see their descendants (Jaden Onasi, Operation Vao, and their ilk), while I'm certain HK-47 and T3-M4 will undoubtedly be back. Jediphile 16:33, 12 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hurts my heart to think that Revan and the Exile failed in their noble mission. Btw, doesent it sound a bit weird that the Republic were forced into a peace treaty? If Revan really did all the horrible things he did in order to protect the Republic/Galaxy, then why do the new sith feel a bit less deadly?
 * For God's sake. It was never specified that their "noble mission" was to track down the "true Sith" (Lowercase 't'). As for the second thing, you'll have to wait for the game and pay somewhere in the margin of $15 a month until you find it out. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 09:23, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
 * "You must go where Revan did, into the Unknown Regions, where the Sith, the true Sith, wait in the dark for the great war that comes. And he came because Malachor, like Korriban, lies on the fringes of the ancient Sith Empire, where the true Sith wait for us, in the dark." That is Kreia talking the exile straight from the end of KotOR2. So yes, Revan did go to fight the true Sith, and the exile followed him. Note the use of the phrase "Great War". That was not something they thought up for the MMO. Jediphile 15:01, 28 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think that it would be impossible for Revan to be in the game. For example there hvae been many charracters, which have managed to stay alive for a hundred years or longer. Revan could even be the sith emperor in the game.

If I understand correctly Revan tried to conquer the Republic to make it stronger, and even if he failed it would still be stronger. The presence of Republic troopers and advanced craft in concept art and videos seems to confirm this. I mean, would the Republic have even managed a peace treaty if they hadn't been learnt from Revan's near victory over them, or Revan hadn't gone to fight the sith? I think there could be holograms and messages left by Revan in the game. User:1705jallen

Plot
Well we should really add a plot topic, from all the Game Info we know now. It isn't quite hard. The Great War article is arleady created and finished, but there is no reference of it in the TOR article. It would be also likely if we created a Plot topic above all game details. After all I think everyone knows how a KOTOR game begins. In TOR, if someone plays a Jedi would wake up in Tython. If someone is a Sith would wake up in Korriban. That's pretty easy. So what do you say? George Skywalker 10:04, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Will it be a Typical MMO
Like will it be P2P or will it not be? Or have they not even touched this subject yet?216.110.255.246 23:41, 10 January 2009 (UTC)


 * So far, the interviews seem to lean away from the "typical" MMO style in order to focus heavily on story, but you should take everything with a grain of salt at this early stage. Player vs Player hasn't been discussed, near as I can tell. SinisterSamurai 19:55, 11 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm pretty sure he meant Pay to Play, not Player versus Player. Either way, I have no idea. 19:54, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Drew Karpyshyn
Why is the page locked? We need to add the news about Drew Karpyshyn joining the devs >> http://www.drewkarpyshyn.com/news.htm - RedVix  | 18:29, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It's only locked to non-registered users. You're free to set up an account and add the info, if you wish. Dangerdan97 19:01, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * D'oh, you already have one. Never mind what I said, the page is available for editing by you.  Dangerdan97 19:03, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * It's semi-protected right now, so newly registered users will have to wait a bit first. Drew Karpyshyn is not semi-protected, though, so new users may edit it. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 19:07, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Done ;) - RedVix  | 22:10, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

Are there going to be any more species included?
Does anyone know if the current list of species is final, or could there be more included? I'm asking because I'm wondering if the Sith species is going to be part of the game. DarthKenny 03:30, 11 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, there is only one confirmed species, humans. Others are speculation — RedVix  | 03:32, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

Release Date?
Has there been a date announced yet? Springerjkreb 02:02, 27 March 2009 (UTC) Some time in late 2010 I suspect, but that's just what I think. - Connor Lonske | 11:19 PM 4/10/2009 EST
 * No. — RedVix  | 13:02, 27 March 2009 (UTC) (9:02 EST)

Gamespot sets the TBA to be in 2010,so there's no chance that it will be released before mid-2010. - Divus Iuvenis | 15:21 PM 6/10/2009 (CEST)

Time Line trailer
GameTrailers - Treaty of Coruscant? The True Sith returning? All this information... too much info... head... exploding. JAF1970 18:43, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Is this coming out for the xbox 360.
I really want to know. - Connor Lonske | 11:15 PM 4/10/2009 EST
 * Probably not. I heard only about PC version. ShaakTi1138 08:48, 11 April 2009 (UTC)

They'll probably wait for the next generation of consoles and PCs. As I understand they will all be connected online then, allowing for a much bigger audience. User:1705jallen

Korriban locations
I'm still trying to figure out: do we really see the Valley of the Dark Lords from KOTOR in the media from swtor.com? It's so changed... Nevertheless, it would be good, if there were some sort of confirmation, that it's really the one... So no information on this aspect in the article. That's most unfortunate. Neterwan 16:03, 3 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, the Valley of the Dark Lords is in the game. It is both shown and talked about in the video here: http://www.swtor.com/media/vidcasts/devdispatch002 Jediphile 15:09, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Abilities
Is there any confirmation of being able to conjure spells and brew alchemic concoctions if the playable character joins the Empire? 76.179.25.148 20:04, 10 May 2009 (UTC)

Smuggler
After ist was put in for the second time: Is there any proof for a smuggler-class. I can't find a mention in the given link. Gulomi Jomesh 14:24, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes, i recieved an email last night from the old republic site telling the smuggler class sneak peak will be added in a few days User:ShiftyPoolton 15:34, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I removed it. It can be added when, and only when, it is confirmed. At which point, if you add it back, be sure to correctly reference it. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 14:38, 2 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Added the smuggler class with the correct source. --Axims 01:57, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
 * The Smuggler class is not the Bounter Hunter's counter, that class has not been introduced yet. The Bounty Hunter's counter is the Trooper. --Dirty Little Smuggler 18:32, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Malak
I was watching the new trailer...is that Malak? I'm pretty sure it is. Doctor Kermit ( The Doctor is in ) 21:21, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * No. It isn't. You may or may not know this already, but Malak had been dead for approximately three hundred years before this game takes place. -MPK 21:31, 3 June 2009 (UTC)


 * I did know that. Which is why I was so surprised to see what looked like a horribly aged Darth Malak leading the troops. Doctor Kermit ( The Doctor is in ) 15:25, 7 June 2009 (UTC)


 * If you read the text to the trailer on the official site, it says that his name is Lord Angral - user:Divus Iuvenis 15:28 10 June 2009 (CEST)


 * If you read the corresponding comic on the official site, you find out that Angral looks very different, and is otherwise occupied at the time of the battle. Doctor Kermit ( The Doctor is in ) 00:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * It's true, but this guy doesn't have tatoo on his head. ShaakTi1138 06:40, 11 June 2009 (UTC)


 * In the trailer, its there, but really faded. Doctor Kermit ( The Doctor is in ) 02:06, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Unidentified Jedi (Sacking of Coruscant)
I believe Unidentified Jedi (Sacking of Coruscant) Should be added to the list of characters, as he is one of the few known. Aeaolen


 * I disagree. He and various other characters from the Deceived trailer, as well as the Sacking of Coruscant, have been added to the appearances section here, which I believe is wrong. The trailer is set before the game, so just because they appear in it, doesn't mean they will in the game, so they should not be included in this article --Jinzler 13:51, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * I think evey character in the trailer should be in the appearence section. This video will be in the game somewhere (like the TFU's first good trailer). If they won't shown them in the game, they will get a flashback tag.10:04, 11 June 2009 (UTC)05:27, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Reorganize classes section
I think the classes section should be reorganized into subsections rather than a table, so that more information can be shown about each class as information is revealed, also the picture of a bounty hunter is on covering it partially (at least when viewed in safari.) Should I keep it as a table or reorganize it?Nebulon B freak 20:00, 8 June 2009 (UTC)
 * More information sounds like a good idea me, especially considering they only link to the actual Bounty Hunter, Smuggler, etc articles, nothing TOR related. --Axims 08:59, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * Olioster, I was about to add more info to that, especially concerning how a screenshot shows a bounty hunter armed with a flamethrower, that table makes it harder to add information and doesn't fit style-wise with the rest of the page, I doubt that five classes is enough to deserve an entire table. I will wait for the input of others for whether or not to get rid of the table again and change it to the way the rest of the article is set up.Nebulon B freak 19:50, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
 * After looking at it, you are probably right, so I reverted my undo. However, please keep the images aligned to the right so we don't get that weird scrunching on the headers.  OLIOSTER  (talk) Sith_Emblem.svg 19:54, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Developer Videos/Blogs/webcomics
Do you think that maybe we could put a list on this page of all the material being published associated with this game? For example, link the Timeline 1, Timeline 2, the Deceived videos, the Threat of Peace comics, etc. to this page? I'm having a hard time finding out when new videos are released (without going to swtor.com). Frankly, it could be in the form of the little infobox thing at the bottom of KOTOR comics/games articles, that links to all other KOTOR matériel. Thoughts? Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith 18:17, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Repeated reference
The Star Wars: The Old Republic official site is listed twice in the references section as both 2 and 11, I recommend a minor cleanup of the article so that it is only listed once.Nebulon B freak 20:05, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Unidentified Rodian and Kel Dor Jedi
Should we have these articles mentioned too? I think there's no need to. If they are there, then we should have every Jedi and Sith that appear on the trailer... And that's a bit stupid. Alexrd 08:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Release Date?
Does anyone have a guess on the release date for SWTOR?

I Hope around October-January 2009-2010

Although that would be great, it's not ver likely. There is much, much work to be done. Also, sign your posts. 22:00, 15 July 2009 (UTC)
 * That too is speculation, we have very little idea to what stage of development there currently in. 84.68.248.138 10:53, 19 July 2009 (UTC)
 * I think that the most recent developer video points to sooner, rather than later... and yet, that felt like PR posing to me. They only provide a sliver of finished product, and since they talk so often about the scope of the VO alone, it may be a long time before an alpha appears. Yeah, it's speculative, but I think that's reasonably well-founded.Blackhawk003 21:35, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Is ANY of this going to be counted as canon?
Alot of it contradicts with what is already established.....just as an example, Moff is mentioned....NeoExelor 17:09, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Have no doubt, ALL of this is going to be canon. What contradictions are you talking about?  Mauser  Comlink 17:36, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
 * "Imperial Moffs traced their origins to the final days of the Old Republic, when the Sector Governance Decree was promulgated by Supreme Chancellor Palpatine using his emergency powers, establishing both planetary as well as regional governors throughout the galaxy. ", according to Moff, however Moffs are mentioned in TOR as well as the absurd Sith emblem which Palpatine was supposedly credited for...NeoExelor 02:12, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * If canon conflicts with our articles, it's our articles which are wrong. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:15, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No, it's stupid game developers ignoring canon and therefore should be taken with a grain of salt NeoExelor 02:40, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, LucasArts has involved themselves extensively to make sure that canon doesn't get ignored. Among the reasons BioWare set this game (and the original KotOR, for that matter) ~4000 BBY was to give them some room to move around creatively without as high a risk of running into issues with canon or continuity. Mosfett 02:58, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The name of title Moff in Imperial Era can be based on the Old Republic Era title, like Senators of Rome and present day Senators. There is no contradiction. IMO if there is a possible explanation of such "contradiction", there are no contradiction. Darth Morrt 07:40, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Taris as ingame location.
Leeked images of scripts have highlighted that Taris will be playable in game where the question is asked:

Taris is a dangerous place. What are you doing here? http://darthhater.com/2009/07/21/taris-a-planet-in-swtor/

Alexsau1991 01:43, 11 August 2009 (UTC)