Talk:Palpatine/Archive12

Main Image
The current main image of Palpatine is that of his Ep III Emperor version - with two toned black robed, lightsaber, etc. I feel that most fans and the general publi associate Palpatine with his Ep VI incarnation - tattered black robe, gnarled walking stick, no lightsaber, better make up. Therefore, I feel that an Ep VI image would be more appropriate for the main image.

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for example.68.145.128.30 23:18, 23 January 2007 (UTC) I think the current image is fine, personally. But if people want a good ROTJ image, how about this one -->? - JMAS 21:05, 23 January 2007 (UTC) 68.145.128.30 23:18, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I would agree but during those days, production and promotional photographs weren't taken as much as they are today and so there are no images that look as good as the current one. There is one promotional image from ROTS that shows Palpatine in his ROTJ robes but he looks very bloated. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 19:45, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, a ton of people I know associate Palpatine with his Episode I appearance. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:48, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * My vote: No. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:06, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * This may be a sign of the end of the world, but I actually agree with Jack.--Herbsewell 21:34, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I was engaged in a crusade of sorts to find the current main pic and I am certainly quite proud of it. Now that I'm an active Wookieepedian again, I might as well give you my 2 cents: The current main pic rocks. We couldn't find a better one. --Master Starkeiller 22:35, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Especially since it's one of they only ones where his face is messed up, but it doesn't creep you out.--Herbsewell 22:38, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Nice to see that we're on the same side for once, Herbsewell. No sarcasm intended. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:00, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Whatevs, I just never liked the makeup in Ep III and personally think of Palpatine more of as a schemer than a lightsaber wielding fighter - but if you went to a lot of effort to find the pic....
 * Well, we can certainly keep our options open. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:19, 23 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd say that if something came along that was better, we'd never say flat-out no to it, be it picture, text or other. But the current picture really is that good, at least to me, and if it's Starkeiller who drudged it up, he gets my kudos and deserves them. We're really not likely to find a better image for some time. Your approach to Sidious may be more that he's a schemer, not a fighter, and I understand that, but it says at a glance what he really is: EVIL. That's enough. Erik Pflueger [[Image:Galactic_Republic.JPG|20px]] 00:48, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * And the two options displayed here don't really display that much, might I add. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 00:50, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly. The current one shows more of Palpatine's body then the others. And it's of better quality. Unit 8311 20:19, 24 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd say it's settled. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:51, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

Force lightning/skeleton...
After thinking it over, I have just reailised something. When strong force lightning is cast a Skeleton is visible... After Palps zapped Mace, and his Skeleton was visible, it stops breifly in between, and it shows he has suffered NO physical damage to the face. When the force lightning come back at Palps, no skeleton is visible, but is present when strong bursts of it hit. I think this evidence helps support that most-if not all-of Palps deformities are NOT caused by force lightning.Pizza the Hutt 03:11, 27 January 2007 (UTC) Exelent theory Grand Admiral, but look at Darth Sion, if being heavily immersed in the Dark Side makes you look weird then Pizza is prabably right, the Force lightining only show who he really was under a force illusion. Correct me if I'm wrong. Derek Yoda&#39;s friend 00:45, 9 February 2007 (UTC)Derek Yoda's friend
 * It could be a reaction generated from the Force lightning hitting Mace's lightsaber. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 14:36, 27 January 2007 (UTC)

Palpatine Saying
"The Sith grew past the use of lightsabers. But we continue to use them, if only to humiliate the Jedi." - Darth Sidious


 * Did Palpatine ever say that. Lord Titze the Dark Wanderer 23:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I think so, though I don't know where exactly. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:40, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well can we have a source?--Herbsewell 23:42, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * : "I don't know where exactly". &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * : Oh well. Someone could have put it in without anyone knowing.--Herbsewell 23:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Which section is it in, Predated? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:46, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Look, it's from Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader. It's fine. Erik Pflueger [[Image:Galactic_Republic.JPG|20px]] 01:35, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Erik. I knew I had read it somewhere. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 01:37, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks I read it on a KotOR forum i didnt know if it was true or not but thanks for telling me guy and girls.Lord Titze the Dark Wanderer 04:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Editing
Did some minor punctuation and spelling fixes in main article. Grand Moff Rhell 00:25, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Uh, that isn't what talk pages are for. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 01:26, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * True, Jack. Still, thank you for your efforts, Rhell. :) Erik Pflueger [[Image:Galactic_Republic.JPG|20px]] 05:58, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course. Every good edit is thank-worry. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 12:06, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Palp's Lightsaber Form
I am forced to admit that I was wrong, I have been believing that Sids was a Juyo praticioner but I have recently watched Star Wars episode three, and it convinced me that he was actually useing a sith variation of Ataru. -Derek(has not joined Wookieepedia yet but plans to) Sids is given credit for knowing Ataru and Juyo but on known praticioners it says that he's only rumored. Please continue this thread if you know anything about Sid's lightsaber form. Derek Yoda&#39;s friend 00:41, 9 February 2007 (UTC)Derek Yoda's friend
 * Either one still hasn't been sourced yet as being Palpatine's lightsaber form. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:57, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * "Sids is given credit for knowing Ataru and Juyo..." Source? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 01:28, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I tried to make it clear but it looks like I will have to explain. On Wookieepedia it says and, well lets start on Ataru, it says on under a picture of Yoda and Sids fighting it Says "To masters of Ataru", on the Juyo page it says that a Juyo master fights the Creator of Vaapad. Derek Yoda&#39;s friend 22:48, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Aha. Wookieepedia is not a source. .  .  .  .  22:49, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Neither is any wikicity. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:20, 9 February 2007 (UTC)
 * My mistake, how annoying, but does anyone think we should just change those statements, because it is fannon. Derek Yoda&#39;s friend 00:50, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * We remove everything that's fanon. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 01:56, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry I kind of over reacted there, I completely support Sids knowing Juyo and Ataru but I'm just wondering is there any source. Derek Yoda&#39;s friend 20:15, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * There probably isn't. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:38, 11 February 2007 (UTC)
 * So we might as well leave it, because Sids does look like he's useing Juyo and since to fully master Juyo you have to learn most of the other six forms, so there's your visual proof but we still need a source. Derek Yoda&#39;s friend 00:48, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That's just your intereptation of the movies. Someone else could easily come along after studying the movies and say that Palpatine probably used Ataru rather than Juyo. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 01:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It's not like I'm going to make a new article and call it Palp's lightsaber form and talk about a bunch of fannon, I'm just saying what it looks like nothing more. Derek Yoda&#39;s friend 06:51, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * And I'm just saying that others could see it as him using a different form. For example, I think he uses Ataru. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 13:49, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I took out all mention of it in the Juyo and Ataru articles, but I left the photo captions. We should probably change them to reflect Sidious' unknown status. He just looks so sweet when he fights, so I hated to remove the pics. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 17:43, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, just change the text. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 17:45, 15 February 2007 (UTC)

On Mustafaar, Why doesn't Palpatine's cloak catch on fire?
Why doesn't Palpatine's cloak burst into flames when he is so close to the lava river? The only assumptions I have are 1) Anakin/Vader climbed up to the "high ground" as Kenobi puts it, where the heat is less intense or 2) Palpatine used the force to shield himself from the heat.
 * Maybe the lava isn't that hot. --Imp 03:22, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Uh...lava tends to be hot! Maybe the rocks around the lava rivers absorb a lot of the heat. But Force shielding seems to make sense to me, after all Qui-Gon stabs his lightsaber into a blast door which turns glowing white hot an inch away from his fingers. If badly weakened like Anakin after losing some limbs at Mustafar, the force user can not harness the energy to protect themselves from the natural elements and succumbs. I don't know if this all makes sense, it's probably just an error in thought while filming, but it has occured repeatedly with Qui Gon, Anakin and Palpatine.
 * Rather than attribute everything to wacky Force abilities, I think we should go with the simplest solution: the second one. Anakin had managed to crawl far enough away from the lava that when Palpatine goes to him, he's not in immediate danger of catching fire. Eggmanland 05:31, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * After all, it does appear that Anakin managed to crawl up the bank. In one shot, he's right beside the lava; in a later one, I believe, he's farther up. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 15:45, 18 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly Grad Admiral, just genius, he is higher up now I would say that would end it right there but for those of you who are unconvinced, I read, I believe it was in the databank, that Mustafars lava is signigicanly cooler than normal lava, because of minerals, so normal lava is 7,000 degrees fareheight, but Mustafarian lava due to minerals and different materials its lava is only about 800 degrees, which is 200 degrees above the temperture above the temperture required for ignition, and very close to the melting point of lead. Sorry if I had time I'd turn it into Celcius, but I'm really short on time. Derek Yoda&#39;s friend 03:00, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Still, had Anakin been closer to the lava, and without any Force powers being used, Palpatine's cloak would have probably caught fire. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 12:16, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Why couldn't he have worn, uhm, a fire-resistant cloak? - Sikon 14:37, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That's a little bit more speculation than what we've been saying, though. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:36, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Vader uses his remaining metal arm to pull himself up to a safer distance, that's the first thing we see when the camera returns to him after Obi-Wan and Padme leave and the Emperor arrives. VT-16 22:41, 22 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Where does Palpatine kneel down in relation to Anakin, anyway? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:04, 22 February 2007 (UTC)