Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Log/2011 September 10

[14:05]	CC7567	First up are probed articles from last meeting http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Grassy_Plains [14:06]	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Battle_of_Grassy_Plains_%28second_review%29 Toprawa	There's still a maintenance tag on that one CC7567	Kill, then Jujiggum	Kill grunny	killit [14:07]	Toprawa	Kill CC7567	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Battle_of_Grassy_Plains&diff=3706778&oldid=3617922 is change since last meeting, just fyi Battle of Grassy Plains killed http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_Side_Elite http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Dark_Side_Elite_%28second_review%29 http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Dark_Side_Elite&diff=3695373&oldid=3618119 (since last meeting) [14:08]	Jujiggum	Appears to be fixed. Keep PurpleTentacle	Hang on! Grassy plains has multiple keep votes. CC7567	No one saw fit to remove, apparently Toprawa	I doubt they saw it period [14:09]	CC7567	Aside from Databank entries, there were only about six sources added Still looks rather incomplete to me	Back to Dark Side Elite [14:10]	PurpleTentacle	Er, that's still not a kill. Toprawa PurpleTentacle	We have rules. Jujiggum	Isn't it? Toprawa	If we're upholding the legitimacy of the tag, I contend this is an instance where we overrule the absentees PurpleTentacle	You can't kill with two keep votes. Jujiggum	I thought those not present at meetings had their votes overruled If those at the meeting outnumbered them PurpleTentacle	Since when? Toprawa	Unless any of those absentee comments specifically reference the tag CC7567	Battle of Grassy Plains: Keep. Corellian Premier took care of every objection. If there's any more cleanup to be done, it's probably minor sofixit stuff. If it's actually not-so-minor, extend, and tell Premier exactly what needs to be done. -- Menkooroo Jujiggum	Exactly Toprawa	GT, we've been doing this for five months now PurpleTentacle	Five kill with less than two keeps. Toprawa	Where have you been? [14:11]	PurpleTentacle	Feh. Then what's the point of leaving notes? Toprawa	The point is to make sure you look over an article completely Jujiggum	Because you might bring up something that other people haven't seen yet The people at the meeting, I mean Toprawa	This is a case of sheer laziness, in my estimation [14:12]	Jujiggum	In fairness, that Toprawa	People simply not scrolling down through the entirety of the article PurpleTentacle	I'll admit I missed that. Jujiggum	yeah PurpleTentacle	Looked at the diffs. Jujiggum	people just look at the changes and didn't scroll down PurpleTentacle	But it's still being worked on, so extend seems fair. Toprawa	I could adjust my vote to extend [14:13]	CC7567	Actually, Mauser was the one who added the tag, just a few days ago: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Battle_of_Grassy_Plains&diff=3706778&oldid=3706430 Extend based on that, then? Jujiggum	If he knows which sources to add, why the hell did he not just add the sources?? But yeah, extend CC7567	He's Mauser Toprawa	If we're still working on it, that's fair to me	that ^ Jujiggum	sighs [14:14]	CC7567	Battle of Grassy Plains extended PurpleTentacle	Anyway, I'm officially not at this meeting. Notes on the page. Overrule me if you want. Night all. |<--	PurpleTentacle has left freenode (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 6.0.2/20110902133214]) [14:15]	CC7567	Back to Dark Side Elite: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Log/2011_July_24 states that there were still a lot of 2007-era FA relics in the article And they're still there, apparently |<--	GreenTentacle has left freenode (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 6.0.2/20110902133214]) CC7567	They weren't actually added to the Inq entry page, but I still vote kill [14:16]	Jujiggum	Actually, on second look, yeah, lots of little mishaps I'm seeing as I read through the article Kill, then Toprawa	Kill CC7567	Dark Side Elite killed http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ossus http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Ossus_%28third_review%29 [14:17]	Jujiggum	No changes since last meeting. Kill CC7567	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Ossus&diff=3659290&oldid=3594688 Hang on, Menkooroo left something in his notes Jujiggum	Okay CC7567	Ossus: Extend. The initial objections were dealt with, but more were brought up at Meeting 43. The objections brought up there seem pretty minor --- moving the info from one section into another and expanding the bts, so I'll gladly take care of them. I've been really busy lately and barely had time to finish Sagoro and Jace, so it'll have to wait until after the meeting. If nobody else took... ...care of it, it's probably because the new objections weren't added to this page. If you grant me a little more time, I'll deal with the outstanding objections. Sorry that I wasn't able to do it this week. [14:18]	Extend per him Jujiggum	Ah, I'm good with extending, then CC7567	Absentees vote extend, too grunny	extend Toprawa	isn't this the article we agreed the Flora and fauna should be combined with Description? I'm willing to dig through the previous log if no one remembers CC7567	Yeah, it is	I got the log open [14:19]	Toprawa	and which was apparently ignored, in that case CC7567	Oh, hmm.... Toprawa	I vote extend/kill/whatever on that alone CC7567	They were highlighted at last meeting but never got fixed Toprawa	Perhaps it was simply an Inq neglecting to add it to the to-do list but either way CC7567	Menkooroo is apparently volunteering to do it if we continue to extend for him Toprawa	Fine with me	Jujiggum	Aye CC7567	Ossus extended Toprawa	all that has to be done is change it from == to === [14:20]	CC7567	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jace_Dallin http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Jace_Dallin http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Jace_Dallin&diff=3706572&oldid=3618152 I've glanced through Menkooroo's copy-edit, at least, and it appears good, so keep Toprawa	Keep Jujiggum	Keep CC7567	Absentees vote keep grunny	keep CC7567	Dallin kept [14:21]	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Sagoro_Autem http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Sagoro_Autem http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Sagoro_Autem&action=historysubmit&diff=3706206&oldid=3672080 Jujiggum	Do you guys think those were major enough changes for a redux? CC7567	Oh, good point [14:22]	Well, Redux is usually for additions of new info (like from updates), if I'm not mistaken Jujiggum	Just scrolling down I see a bunch of redirects, so it	*it's not that hard to believe there might be other little things like that I thought we can use it for basically any major changes though, right? CC7567	Actually, yeah Shall we Redux Dallin and Autem to check the new additions? [14:23]	grunny	sure Jujiggum	Yeah, redux grunny	redux Toprawa	Redux CC7567	Dallin and Autem Reduxed Now articles that were just probed at last meeting http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Agen_Kolar http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Agen_Kolar [14:24]	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Agen_Kolar&diff=3706573&oldid=3608197 Okay, this one I'm less hesitant about The stuff from last time (just that update) was done, but I saw and changed some rather poor 2007-era stuff when I looked at it a few days ago *more hesitant Toprawa	As usual with an article like this, the length of the P/T concerns me [14:25]	This article is from the time when no one gave a crap about the P/T we just wrote he was brave and he cared for his fellow man, and that was it	Jujiggum	Yeah haha CC7567 Jujiggum	Do you want to extend on that, then? Toprawa	I would support that [14:26]	Jujiggum	Looking at it closer, too, I see lots of missing context CC7567	I would say extend or redux, though I'm not sure if there's cause for the latter (there wasn't a lot of new additions, persay) But yeah, there's context missing and just general copy-edit-needing stuff to be done grunny	extend for now Jujiggum	Extend CC7567	Kolar extended for copy-edit, addition of context in numerous places, and general copy-edit [14:27]	...	*extended for copy-edit and addition of context in numerous places grunny	.... CC7567 Jujiggum	lol CC7567	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jagged_Fel http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Jagged_Fel Oy vey. Jujiggum	Kill [14:28]	CC7567	Kill, no change except another novel to add to the article Culator|Away	I'd really prefer to extend that one. Toprawa	Kill Culator|Away	It's not a bad article. Someone just need to update the damn thing. CC7567	*Kolar also needs P&T beefing up Eh. Jujiggum	I'd love to help out on Jag, but I just don't have the time right now, and I don't see anyone else doing it [14:29]	grunny	I'd agree, but we'd need someone who actually is willing to update it	CC7567	I would say extend if someone had at least started doing /something/, but no one has, and I don't feel safe with wishful thinking Culator|Away	Hell, I'd do it if I wasn;t busy playing TOR. grunny	with Havac gone walkabouts haha Jujiggum	Also, his P&T is /severely/ lacking grunny	yes CC7567	Plus, we'd end up Reduxing with all the recent stuff—not to say that's a bad thing, but it's the same result in the end [14:30]	Jujiggum	Yeah CC7567	Jagged Fel killed http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Corran_Horn Same story Kill Jujiggum	Yep [14:31]	That P&A is awful... CC7567	3 absentees for extend, 1 for kill grunny	yeah, though that would be a pain to go through the FAN again with... CC7567	Sucks for whoever does that Culator|Away	I say extend that one also. grunny	is anyone working on it? Jujiggum	Nope It needs an update for /Conviction/ Not just /Ascension/ Toprawa	Is it a substantial update? like a whole novel worth of crap? or novels* [14:32]	Jujiggum	He wasn't one of the main characters in the novels But yes, it's substantial for both bio and P&T And since Conviction was /months/ ago grunny	I only see one absentee vote for extend, three for kill Jujiggum	... Toprawa	I'd be more willing to grant extend if it wasn't a huge chunk missing [14:33]	but it sounds like it's a lot of work with no imminent progress CC7567	Cav, Tommy, and Tranner /kinda/ say extend but defer to those at the meeting Jagged Fel, Corran Horn - I'd hate to see these articles dropped, but if consensus is for kill, then so be it	(Cav) Corran Horn killed grunny	Menk, Cav, Xd, and GT all say kill [14:34]	CC7567	Oh, nevermind Anyway: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TIE/sh_shuttle http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/TIE/sh_shuttle http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=TIE/sh_shuttle&diff=3679297&oldid=3623916 Toprawa	I just haven't had time to do this Jujiggum	No changes Toprawa	I haven't had time to do any editing at all recently I'm comfortable with whatever you guys decide [14:35]	I'll certainly try and have it done by next meeting in any event Jujiggum	Do you want to request an extend? If you do, that's fine -- this doesn't need nearly as big an update as Corran or Jag CC7567	Jon, what's your take? Is there a lot of new info? Yeah, Cav says there isn't too much Toprawa	yeah, that would be the only grounds for an extend, IMO it's not a big update Culator|Away	Extend is fine, assuming it gets done. Toprawa	two small paragraphs at most, probably Jujiggum	Basically, just mention that the /Vote Snaplaunce/ existed Toprawa	yeah grunny	I'd be willing to extend under Tope's assurance that he'll do it	Toprawa	if you guys want to extend, that's fine with me too [14:36]	CC7567	Extend with (some) mercy Toprawa	I have the damn book I just need to find time to do it	I should be more open in a few weeks CC7567	Sure TIE/sh shuttle extended http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rune_Haako Toprawa	thanks CC7567	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Rune_Haako_%28second_review%29 Jujiggum	Aye Heh extend [14:37]	CC7567	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Rune_Haako&diff=3688964&oldid=3623923 Jujiggum	Some things were taken care of, but not all ie P&T hasn't been fixed yet Toprawa	I'd say it still needs a general copyedit CC7567	Rune Haako: Extend. Fourdot took care of most of the outstanding objections, and he and I have been working together to beef up the Sources list. Update from the Character Encyclopedia should come very soon. As with Ossus, you have my word that I'll work on this. -Menkooroo Extend on that [14:38]	Toprawa	redirected, unitalicized book title links in in-line text tells me it needs a cleanup Jujiggum	Hmm, okay. But it'll probably need a redux afterward Extend for now though Toprawa	Extend with all of that CC7567	Rune Haako extended with the understanding that it will get a copy-edit and cleanup, and probably be sent to Redux after that [14:39]	Kay, no other old articles I can see On to the new! http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Canderous_Ordo Update needed from an Insider 127 excerpt of Shadow Games Probe Jujiggum	Probe Toprawa	Probe grunny	probify [14:40]	CC7567	Absentees say probe Canderous Ordo probed Okay, http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Daric_LaRone Probe everything save for the articles still on the RFAN page (Naga Sadow, Voss Parck, and Daric LaRone), as we specifically decided that we wouldn't probe anything still on the RFAN page. Voss and Daric have objections more than three weeks old, though, so if someone wants to vote them off the page before Sunday's meeting, go for it. Menkooroo 07:17, September 9, 2011 (UTC) [14:41]	Toprawa	I would be ok with voting stuff off Jujiggum	Same here CC7567	I suppose we leave LaRone alone for now, though I honestly can't see that big an update getting done on the RFAN Hopefully it will Spare LaRone? Jujiggum	(I'm going to have to run in about 15 minutes, just in case we're not done by then) [14:42]	Toprawa	give me a reason to spare it, at least What's your justification? Jujiggum	I'm good either way. CC7567	I'm trying to look for what Menkooroo's referencing Oh, http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Meeting_XLII#Stuff This was from two meetings ago, I believe [14:43]	I'm fine either way, but if we probe it, we need to make sure that the rules either get changed or are set in stone for future meetings [14:44]	Anyone? Jujiggum	Well, if we probed, we'd first vote it off the RFAN since we have enough of us to do so, right? So we'd not be breaking any rules grunny	spare under the previous Inq rule I don't mind waiting a little longer for it to get voted off the RFAN [14:45]	Toprawa	whatever works let's just keep this meeting moving Jujiggum	Aye grunny	^ CC7567	Let's vote LaRone off the RFAN and probe Toprawa	Fine Whatever is fine with me Jujiggum	Sure. Remove it, and then probe it [14:46]	CC7567	LaRone voted off RFAN and probed http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Caedus Hmph. Toprawa	hah CC7567	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Caedus Toprawa	how is there an update needed from a 2001 book CC7567	* http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Darth_Caedus&diff=3668876&oldid=3650663 Toprawa	that's amusing Jujiggum	heh CC7567	Revision as of 14:48, 8 August 2011 (edit) (undo) Zakor1138 (Talk | contribs | block) (Refering to Jacen Solo's rock lizard) [14:47]	Toprawa	Probe it	CC7567	Havac is bad Probe Jujiggum	Probe CC7567	Caedus probed The first of many, I'm sure http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gavin_Darklighter Update for Ascension? Probe Jujiggum	I guess. I honestly don't remember his role in it, so it must've been pretty minor But yeah, probe Toprawa	Probe [14:48]	CC7567	Darklighter probed http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gha_Nachkt Update for a recent TCW book Probe Jujiggum	Probe Toprawa	Probe CC7567	Nachkt probed http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Gilad_Pellaeon Update for Choices of One Probe Jujiggum	Probe Toprawa	Probe CC7567	Pellaeon probed http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jaina_Solo I'm getting really irritated with this one.... Jujiggum	Probe CC7567	I'm not sure what Jaina Solo's status is, so I'll defer to Jugs on that one. Menkooroo 07:17, September 9, 2011 (UTC) Jujiggum	P&T is severely lacking, as is the P&A [14:49]	CC7567	Probe Toprawa	Probe, with a severe inclination to want to kill CC7567	Jaina Solo probed Jujiggum	heh CC7567	sigh CC7567	*sighs http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jorj_Car%27das Choices of One update Probe grunny	probe Jujiggum	Probe [14:50]	Toprawa	probe CC7567	Jorj Car'das probed http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Katuunko Same story as Nachkt (TCW book) Probe Jujiggum	Probe it	grunny	probe CC7567	Katuunko probed http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ludo_Kressh Knight Errant update, apparently Jujiggum	Probe CC7567	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Ludo_Kressh&action=historysubmit&diff=3663941&oldid=3657187Mause r Toprawa	probe CC7567	Probe [14:51]	Jujiggum	Although i don't remember what was mentioned about him... grunny	his son CC7567	Kressh probed grunny	elcho was mentioned in Knight Errant a few times CC7567	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Naga_Sadow [14:52]	Jujiggum	Spare Sadow, it's on the RFAN CC7567	Hmm Toprawa	Spare it	CC7567	The update tag was added in July (http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Naga_Sadow&diff=3618725&oldid=3605245) Jujiggum	no outstanding objections to remove it	CC7567	And the update isn't currently an objection on the RFAN, actually Toprawa	We should add it, then CC7567	Tm_T has been working on the article since then, but the update hasn't gotten covered yet Jujiggum	Yeah grunny	spare and add it to RFAN objections Jujiggum	FWIW, it's a pretty minor update [14:53]	CC7567	To me it looks like the whole timeline of Great Hyperspace War within this article needs to be rewritten as how it is now described just doesn't fit with the information from Lost Tribe of the Sith ebooks. And thus, should this be removed from here and be moved to redux? Or simply dropped the status and renominate when the work is done? –Tm_T (Talk) 14:53, September 3, 2011 (UTC) Tm_T is both objecting to the nom and working on it at the same tim *time Jujiggum	Nice. CC7567	It looks like he's requesting removal here grunny	multitasking CC7567	I would vote remove from the RFAN and move to Redux, based on all of this The article's potentially going to get an overhaul [14:54]	Jujiggum	Eh, works for me	Remove and redux Toprawa	Fine grunny	fine by me [14:55]	CC7567	Kressh removed from RFAN and sent to Redux for update for Pantheon and possible overhaul based on the Lost Tribe of the Sith books *Sadow, sorry http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Seha_Dorvald Exile and Ascension update tag Jujiggum	Probe Toprawa	Probe CC7567	Probe Dorvald probed http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tycho_Celchu Update for Ascension [14:56]	(Anything else, Jon?) Jujiggum	Nope, pretty much same situation as Gavin. Probe. CC7567	Probe grunny	probe Toprawa	Probe Jujiggum	I've got to run guys, sorry. As a note on Bob's discussion item later, I'd suggest reduxing. Peace CC7567	Celchu probed |<--	Jujiggum has left freenode (Quit: ChatZilla 0.9.87 [Firefox 5.0/20110615151330]) CC7567	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Voss_Parck [14:57]	RFAN candidate, but the objection (Choices of One update, same thing as the tag) is currently outstanding I vote remove from RFAN and probe as do the absentees Toprawa	Do it	CC7567	(well, the absentees kinda say that) [14:58]	Voss Parck probed http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rokko: redlink in the infobox Probe Toprawa	That looks like it needs an actual reference note grunny	probe [14:59]	CC7567	Tope: yeah, probably Toprawa	since it's probably derived from certain info but probe CC7567	Rokko probed, requiring handling of infobox redlink and perhaps the addition of a source note, in which case the entire article would require referencing http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Guardian_of_Forever [15:00]	Recent RFAN failure: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Guardian_of_Forever_%28second_review%29 Probe Toprawa	That article needs to be amended to match the LG format as well Probe grunny	probe CC7567	Guardian of Forever probed for issues listed above http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Keeper [15:01]	Outstanding RFAN stuff: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Re-featured_article_nominations/The_Keeper Probe Toprawa	Probe CC7567	With absentee votes, The Keeper probed http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Burl_Ives http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Re-featured_article_nominations/Burl_Ives Probe (under 1000 words, I believe) [15:02]	Toprawa	Probe grunny	probe CC7567	Ives probed Toprawa	That should be noted to be checked for if it's nto already CC7567	Sure thing http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Plagueis Darth Plagueis – really needs updating for current FA standards. Lack of linking, various grammar errors, general copy-edit-needing places, and messy succession boxes are apparent for an article that will soon need a major overhaul. CC7567 (talk) 03:07, August 26, 2011 (UTC) Might I also suggest a stub page for "spontaneous generation," as it is currently linked to Wikipedia? And I made some grammar corrections while I looked it over. Trak Nar Ramble on 07:36, August 30, 2011 (UTC) Toprawa	Probe CC7567	Probe grunny	probe [15:03]	CC7567	Plagueis probed http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Demetrius_Zaarin: requires Choices of One update according to Mauser http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Demetrius_Zaarin&diff=3705891&oldid=3691347 Probe Toprawa	Probe [15:04]	CC7567	Zaarin probed http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Squib Hey, guys, just a heads up that I recently overhauled Squib, both to incorporate information from Ascension and to bring it up to current standards, as shown here. I'm not sure if this merits a redux, but I wanted to bring the matter to your attention. Thanks, ~SavageBOB sig.png 21:49, August 31, 2011 (UTC) [15:05]	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Squib&diff=cur&oldid=3662916 Toprawa	depends how much stuff was added I would absolutely say yes from that CC7567 Redux Grunny? We need your vote [15:06]	grunny	redux Culator|Away	Quite. CC7567	Squib Reduxed Culator|Away	Also, belatedly, God dammit Zahn. CC7567	Anyone have any more new articles? grunny	lol [15:07]	Toprawa	possibly Culator|Away	Unless 4dot does it, which he won't, I'm going to have to update Zaarin. Or GT will. Toprawa	one second CC7567	I'm looking at http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Redux_page right now, and I see both http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Malcor_Brashin and http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/CT-27-5555 have outstanding objections [15:08]	Both users handling them have been here recently but haven't fixed the stuff yet Wait...actually, this doesn't fall under new articles Hold on those Reduxes Toprawa	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Executor Mauser just added this update tag probably should probe it for the update [15:09]	CC7567	Probe per Tope Culator|Away or Grunny? Culator|Away	Dammit, Zahn. Again. Yes, probe. CC7567	Executor probed [15:10]	Okay, back to the stuff above: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Malcor_Brashin and http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/CT-27-5555 have outstanding objections on the Redux page Shall we vote to kill? Toprawa	how old are each objection? s [15:11]	CC7567	Brashin's is over a month; Fives has several that are over three weeks Toprawa	Kill from me	CC7567	bumps Culator|Away and Grunny [15:12]	Culator|Away	That's plenty of time. Kill. CC7567	Brashin and Fives killed from Redux Kay, anyone have any other articles that might need to be probed or Reduxed? Toprawa	Nope [15:13]	Xd is up for both Inq duties this time CC7567	Oh, I pity him Kay, that's it for Meeting 44, guys Thanks for hanging around this long