Talk:Asajj Ventress/Legends

CiC
At what point was Asajj Ventress the C-i-C for CIS forces? I'm aware that she was a Commander, but had not seen any reference to her as the head. --SparqMan 06:23, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Um, pretty much never. That succession box is absolutely bogus. Grievous was in action as early as the Battle of Geonosis, and so pretty much held the position for the entire duration of the war. QuentinGeorge 07:00, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Even though Ventress wasn't C-i-C, she had the opertunity when Dooku placed Durge, Ventress, and Grievous in a head-to-head-to-head fight which determined who would be the C-i-C. Of course, Grievous won. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 12:24, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Which pretty much establishes GG as sole CiC for the entire war. QuentinGeorge 12:25, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * So, on the Asajj Ventress page and the General Grievous page, we'll have to remove Asajj Ventress's name from the C-i-C table. Also, Durge's name will have to be removed from Asajj Ventress's page and Durge's page. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 14:50, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Fixed boxes on Asajj Ventress, Durge, Grievous, and Sev'rance Tann.Cmdr. J. Nebulax 14:55, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Affiliation
It has been made clear that Asajj was not a Sith. She was a Commander in the CIS forces and an agent of Dooku, but it seems a stretch to affiliate her with the Sith. Asajj was no more affiliated with the Sith than Jango Fett or Durge, regardless of her Force skills. --SparqMan 17:41, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Was she actually trained by Dooku at any point? And did she know that he was a Sith lord? If both these points are true, then i think it's fair to say that her affiliation is Sith. (i'm just not sure if those two points are true) --Azizlight 15:05, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, and yes. She wanted to become a Sith, but Dooku dodged her requests, teaching her only what was needed to to make her an effective agent. She may qualify as a cultist.
 * Actually, I believe Azizlight's questions have already been answered, anonymous user. Admiral J. Nebulax 03:28, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Any chance the Dark Jedi featured in This Article could be Asajj? And as far as I know, all RPG stuff like that is considered part of the official continuity.
 * I think it's pretty obvious that she's supposed to be Ventress. I knew she was by the fifth paragraph, and the bit at the end practically screams "Ventress! Dooku! Sidious!" :P--Spanky The Dolphin 03:58, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)


 * As did I, but I sometimes have a way with reading far too much into things.
 * It's MORE THAN OBVIOUS that's Asajj. So obvious I can't believe we're talking about it... --Master Starkeiller 11:22, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)


 * Oh, it's her alright. It almost sounds like her battle with Anakin on Yavin 4. Almost is the word that I'm stretching.

Species
I don't think Asajj is a "Rattakian". Osika Kirske looks totally different. QuentinGeorge 04:32, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Osika isn't a Rattataki. The Rattataki are the bald near-humans. We don't know the name of the "sharkpeople", Kirske's species, yet. --Master Starkeiller 22:16, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Sith
I think Asajj Ventress should be counted among the Sith characters category. I don't believe that she should be counted as a Sith Lord, but she obviously felt that she was a Sith, and seemed to consider herself more Sith than Separatist. -- SFH 03:30, 22 Oct 2005 (UTC) I'm not saying she should be called Darth Ventress. i'm just saying that she seemed to believe that her allegance was the Sith first, the Confederacy second. Also, it is still listed as one of her affiliations...before CIS. -- SFH 00:46, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Dooku laughed at her and specifically told her that she was "not Sith". You can't get any more explicit than that. QuentinGeorge 03:31, 22 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure she is any more "affiliated" with the Sith than Jango Fett. QuentinGeorge 06:17, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Creator?
Did John Ostrander created Asajj? Thanks.
 * For the love of God, stop removing everything I say!!! Cmdr. J. Nebulax 21:19, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * One: 206.180.134.114, come on and be cooperative. Is it really that hard? Two: Ventress is based on a concept for AOTC that eventually became Dooku, as seen here: Hollis 21:24, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Quote
Would anyone object if I were to replace the current quote. My reason being that since Ventress is not a Sith, the current one is misleading, and is not as much about the character as by the character. My suggestion: "You are no Jedi, girl. You are simply hatred and bile given form."

- Master Fay

Any objections?
 * I agree. That one is far superior. QuentinGeorge 22:53, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree as well. It is much better than the one up there now. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:09, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It has been added. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:10, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Paragraph on Xagobah
Why was it removed? Sure, it wasn't in the correct spot probably, but, for some reason, Xilentshadow removed it. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:47, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It was canonically in the incorrect spot. Xagobah is not the place Asajj would want to go to retreat, and if she had brought the medical ship there, wouldn't alpha have been found?--Xilentshadow900 00:21, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Yet what was in the paragraph was true. It was placed in the wrong spot, but it was canon. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:06, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll fix it.--Xilentshadow900 01:10, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:10, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I've put it in the best spot I could, but it could be better. If only the author of those kids books had been better informed!--Xilentshadow900 01:13, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, it looks good where it is. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:14, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Is there really any reason to assume it was Asajj at Xagobah? Dooku did order six of the Fanblade starfighters, of which only 2 are confirmed to have been lost. The other 4 could've been piloted by any number of Dooku's minions. 68.47.234.131 08:11, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, Ventress is on the cover of that book, isn't she? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 12:55, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * But I thought Obsession takes place right before Labryinth of Evil, which is immediately followed by Episode III. So how come we assume that the encounter on Xagobah was after her retreat, not before? 207.200.116.204 00:23, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I just got done looking through some things, and the Second Battle of Xagobah occurs before the Battle of Boz Pity; however, I'm not sure if it's after Skywalker and Ventress's duel on Coruscant. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:29, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * However, according to the dates on Obsession and Pursuit, Pursuit appears to take place after Obsession, so the Second Battle of Xagobah could have lasted long enough for it to start before the Battle of Boz Pity and end after it. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:33, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * But Obsession implies that Ventress is being healed for her wounds during her fight with Anakin on Coruscant.-- The Erl of the  talk  What I do 00:48, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * "healed for her wounds during the her fight with Anakin on Coruscant"? What? That makes no sense. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:38, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Look at it this way, in the book Anakin takes Boba back to the Jedi Temple so he can deliver his "message" to Palpatine. Isn't it totally possible that Asajj just followed him and fought with him there? I never read "Obsession", so don't get mad at me if I'm wrong. -lord_vader1414
 * No, I don't think so. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 02:49, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Is it possible that Anakin fights Asajj on Courscant [i]after[/i] the battle of Xagobah?
 * As I said above, Boba Fett: Pursuit takes place after Obsession. In Obsession, she flees at the end of it. However, she's probably still angry at Anakin, so Bright Flight ends up at Rattatak, where Asajj gets another Fanblade and senses Anakin at Xagobah... That might work. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:31, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Where's the proof that it takes place after Obsession?
 * Official timeline placements - Kwenn 20:03, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * ...which on closer inspection state Obsession is indeed after Pursuit. Both take place 5 months before RotS, but Pursuit happens a little before. Hmm - Kwenn 20:09, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Where does it say that Obsession is after Pursuit? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:50, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * According to CloneWarz, Pursuit is set before Dreadnaughts of Rendili. And no, CloneWarz isn't canon, but it uses official sources, and this is the most logical arrangement - Kwenn 20:53, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Gah. Just checked the NEC and it lists Pursuit as a week after Obsession. Ugh - Kwenn 20:55, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * There you go. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:58, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Mira?
How can the bounty hunter Mira, and the Jedi Mira be the same person? Unless I am seriously mistaken, they existed about 4,000 years appart. -- tikaheta -- Ok, thanks! -- tikaheta --
 * They're not the same person. The link is simply screwed up. I'll fix it. -- AdmThrawn --
 * You'll find that tons of links are like that. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:08, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)

dead.
dead. she is dead. I read it on the ofcial site. P.h 22:40, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)p.h
 * No you didn't. You read it in your mind. You want to go home and rethink your life - Kwenn 22:41, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * No I didnt, I read it in my mind. I want to go home and rethin-... Hay! no I read it on the site! P.h 22:47, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)p.h
 * If you put that in again, I'll have someone lock the page. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:45, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Just where on the site did you read it? We'd all love to know - Kwenn 22:48, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not on her Databank entry. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:53, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * And don't remove this topic just because you're wrong and you know it. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:53, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I read itsomewhere it may oficial site. I was pretty sure it was, but every one makes mistakes, right?
 * Yet when you're wrong, you remove a ton of posts. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:59, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * yep. sorry won't happen again P.h 23:00, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)p.h
 * It better not. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:01, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry.Sorry.Sorry.Sorry.Sorry.Sorry. I heard that back in the dark times. the times when I believed supershadow. I know I should be ashamed :( P.h 01:33, 18 January 2006 (UTC)p.h
 * Okay, it's over now anyway. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:03, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Eye Color
Blue? Really? Looks pretty brown in Obsession. I guess you could sort of argue it's Sith eyes, but...still, looks more brown. Yrfeloran 06:07, 22 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. Comics can screw up minor things like that. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:49, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Sabers
Where's it established that Ventress's sabers were Vosa's? Lieutenant Gerard 23:07, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I believe that they are the same. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:32, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. Why? Lieutenant Gerard 18:42, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * There's a source that says Dooku gave Ventress Vosa's sabers. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:39, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Great. What is it? Lieutenant Gerard 01:19, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * My friend showed it to me, I believe. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:26, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, on second thought, I don't remember where I saw it. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:26, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, if no one has a source for it, it should probably be removed. Lieutenant Gerard 21:48, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, can you provide a source that Ventress's lightsabers weren't Vosa's? Admiral J. Nebulax 21:53, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * The Vosa page said that information came from Leland Chee. Yrfeloran 22:31, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * There. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:44, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Link, please? - Kwenn 22:56, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Yrfeloran says it's on Vosa's page. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:21, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It was on the Cartoon Continuity thread on the OS Forums. QuentinGeorge 05:35, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the tip, found it here :) Yrfeloran 05:51, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * There you go, Gerard. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:51, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * 'ppreciate it. Lieutenant Gerard 20:54, 17 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Yrfeloran. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:08, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

Dogfighting?
"As an appendix to Ventress's exploits, it was believed she may have returned to the Clone Wars, despite her declaration aboard the medical frigate. She was reportedly seen dogfighting Boba Fett and Anakin Skywalker in a Fanblade starfighter over Xagobah. Her reasons for returning to the war, if the pilot was indeed Ventress herself, remain a mystery." Fanon, methinks? Cutch 06:32, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Just saw the above thread on the same subject. Thanks. Cutch 18:11, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No problem. ;) Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:06, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

What Was That??
On Ohma-D'un, when Asajj Ventress is dueling Obi-Wan, she apperently has the power to reanimate the dead through the dark-side of the force. Is there any name for this power?? LordRevan 01:59, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't believe it was named, but the Gungan were more like mind slaves to Ventress. If they were truly alive again, they'd be helping the Jedi. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:16, 9 May 2006 (UTC)
 * acctually, i think it might be Sith alchemy. Unless i misread something, it looks like that's possible. Lord vader1414 22:38, 6 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That could be, but there had to have been some mass mind control going on. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:11, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Um... alchemy coupled with a mind trick? Cutch 01:23, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought she was just moving the bodies with telekinesis. Yoda did that with dead clones in Duel, IIRC. Of course, that would be quite a feat for her. -LtNOWIS 01:27, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think she moved them with telekinesis for the reason you said ("Of course,..."). It sounds like a form of Sith alchemy possibly with mind control. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:21, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Good point. a MAJOR amount of mind control would have to go into that. I wonder though... i'm starting to second guess myself. how powerful would she have to be to use sith alchemy? Lord vader1414 22:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Dooku could have taught her. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:26, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That would make sence. okay. got it. Lord vader1414 17:08, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, since we don't know for sure, we can only guess now. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:10, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Too true. We need more info on this. I think I'll look it up. Lord vader1414 19:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I doubt there'll be much. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:21, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, I'm gonna try. Lord vader1414 19:15, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, good luck. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:51, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, then. that didnt help alot. I didnt see anything useful. Lord vader1414 18:03, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, we shouldn't be talking about this kind of thing here anymore. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:13, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

Lightning
Should I add that Asajj Ventress was able to use Force Lightning? -- DurgeFan 15:46, 11 June 2006 (UTC) If you read Victories and Sacrifices you'll se what I mean. By what your saying TPM Anakin could beat DE Sidious in a fight just cause he's the Chosen One and can't die. Maybe Asajj couldn't have killed him cause then ANH wouldn't make any sense but she was stronger than he was and would have been able to beat him if (and only if) Victories and Sacrifices had taken place before the Microseries (Volume 1).
 * It really isn't needed&mdash;a lot of dark side Force users could shoot Force lightning. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:32, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course, one probably does need to train to use it... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:10, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * She uses lightning? Since when?
 * she doesn't, and i don't think she recieved the training to either. Jedi Dude 10:53, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure she does somewhere. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:52, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * well if you find out do say, but i seriously can't think of a time she has Jedi Dude 19:50, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Again, please don't restart old topics. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:32, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * well if i only just noticed that it was un-ended, which in my view it was then its fine to restart it Jedi Dude 23:33, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Jedi Dude, that wasn't really relevant now anyway. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:36, 7 August 2006 (UTC)
 * First of all, Palpatine wanted Anakin to become a Sith. Second of all, the Dark Empire Palpatine wouldn't be able to fight the Episode I Anakin. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:20, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Great...
MoffRebus just vandalized the article by reverting it to how it looked probably a long time ago. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 13:43, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * People seem to do this alot. Especially to the more important articles. What's up with that? -Lord vader1414 03:40, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I noticed he also did it to a couple of other articles as well... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:03, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, joy... -Lord vader1414 02:34, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It appears it was an accident, though. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:21, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm... Well,as long as he's not vandilizing anything. -Lord vader1414 18:14, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope. He apologized on my talk page. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:34, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, okay then. That's good. :) -Lord vader1414 20:46, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Here's the full explanation: User talk:Jack Nebulax. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:38, 1 July 2006 (UTC)

Order of appearances
I thought Ventress' first chronological appearance was when she introduces herself to Tyranus and Sidious in Clone Wars, followed by a second entry into the timeline in the graphic novel story The New Face of War? Assuming I have not got this wrong, why then does the Appearances section not reflect this? -Kev-La Ttolya 16:54, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Jedi: Mace Windu occurs between those two - Kwenn 16:57, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, OK. So, why does the Appearance section not show that either? :) -Kev-La Ttolya 17:01, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It does. Although each chapter is listed, the presence of Clone Wars in that section is as a whole; it's not separated by individual chapters, so it's all placed at the start, not mixed between other entries. However, that Shadowfeed source doesn't belong there - Kwenn 17:02, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Then were does it belong? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 18:56, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I've got it in the right place. That Shadowfeed issue occurs just prior to Operation Durge's Lance, which is between Cestus Deception and Jedi Trial. Rogue's Gallery was also in the wrong place, since it deals with Grievous' introduction to Ventress and Durge, so I shuffled it back a little - Kwenn 18:58, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 18:59, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, I wasn't aware the Clone Wars cartoon chapters were always listed together - sorry. Kev-La Ttolya 10:44, 28 July 2006 (UTC)

Reanimation

 * In The New Face of War, Ventress uses the force to reanimate Gungan corpses. Is this the only time, anyone has used this ability?.
 * hi, if you look up to what was that you will see theres already a topic on this, in furture please try to scim the talk already here incase your topic is already being conversed about. Btw we didn't even figure out what it was, theres no canon source Jedi Dude 19:52, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Timeline
This article states that Asajj fought Kenobi on Ohma-D'un and again on Queyta before fighting Anakin on Yavin. That's riduculous. While the battle of Ohma-D'un doesn't have a timeline on this site if then she was able to take on Kenobi and another Padawan 2 on 1 and nearly win then Anakin should have been no problem for her on Yavin. And during the battle on Ohma-D'un she never tried to kill Anakin, as was her mission, and on Yavin they talked to each otehr as if they'd never met before. So the duel on Yavin had to take palce before the Battle of Ohma-D'un. Also, here:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Republic_53:_Blast_Radius it says that took place approx. 6 months after AOTC where the battle on Yavin took palce 4 months after, so the events in this article need to be changed. I agree, but he wouldn't have put up a better fight than Kenobi did. Yeah, he would have been, Kenobi > Anakin and Asajj was beating Kenobi. Kenobi would have been killed if Anakin and Alpha hadn't saved him and then he wouldn't have been able to Luke. ANH only happened cause Anakin saved him. And Anakin could have died, and the prophecy would have been unfulfilled. That'd be like if I said Anakin would have died on Mustafar if Palpatine hadn't saved him and you said "You couldn't die, he has to fullfil the prophecy!" the fact is Asajj was stronger than Obi-Wan and therefor was also stronger than Anakin. Point closed. If you disagree go read the comic and you'll see.
 * While the order of events appears to be in error, Anakin was the Chosen One, so he would have put up a better fight than any other Padawan. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:49, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Anakin wouldn't have been killed, though. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:43, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No, he wouldn't have, because Anakin had to fulfill the prophecy of the Chosen One. Also, Kenobi wouldn't have been killed, because he would have needed to train Luke. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:06, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * No, the point is not closed. Anakin was the Chosen One, and he was destined to fulfill the prophecy. Everything happened for a reason. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:49, 28 August 2006 (UTC)

Okay, since someone deleted what I said, the fact of the matter is that if the events that take place in Victories and Sacrifices really took place before what heppened in the Microseries then Anakin would have died at the hands of Asajj and, thus, the prohpecy would have been left unfulfilled, as not all prophecies are fulfilled. The reason that Anakin did NOT die and the events of ANH are as they are is because the events of Victories and Sacrifices took place after the events that took place in Chapters 17-19 of the Clone Wars Microseries, as I have pointed out in the discussion section and fixed in the article. But just because a prophecy "A prophecy that misread could have been" says that Anakin will destroy the Sith and bring balance to the Force doesn't mean that Anakin will necessairly fulfill the prohpecy, in this case he did but if he had died then it would have been left unfulfilled and that's all.
 * The will of the Force would have prevented Anakin being killed because he needed to fulfill the prophecy and destroy the Sith. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:20, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

If he had died then the prophecy would have been read incorrectly. But he didn't die so the prophecy was read correctly, but Victories and Sacrifices Asajj > Anakin.
 * Again, Anakin was destined to fulfill the prophecy. Anyway, this is not the place to argue it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:53, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

You think that every prophecy ever made was fulfilled? Because that's not the case.
 * Yeah, that's because the Force doesn't exist in real life. Anyway, this has gotten way out of hand. Let this post end this discussion. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:35, 29 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, but the fact is Anakin lived and the pro[hecy was as it was because Victorties and sacrifices takes place after the Microseries volume 1.
 * No. Now, end of discussion. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:17, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Yes, Asajj was stronger than Anakin and could have kileld him and if she had then the prophecy would be wrong. Yoda already said in ROTS that the prophecy could have been read incorrectly.
 * But it wasn't. Now please knock it off. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:05, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Again with the finger!
Some moron has posted a pic of his middle finger on the page, but I figured out how to get rid of it.
 * What are you talking about? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:57, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't see it either. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 22:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Apparently, there seems to be some vandal around posting pictures of his middle finger. I hoped someone banned him.  Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg |25px]] 23:00, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * But there is no image of a middle finger on this page. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:01, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It was this guy Hepheastos. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg |25px]] 23:02, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * But where is this supposed image on this page? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:03, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Check the page's edit history. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg |25px]] 23:03, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well what do you know, the pic still appears on my screen. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg |25px]] 23:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Just checked the edit history. No one added such a picture. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:06, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you sure? The picture is visible on my screen. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg |25px]] 23:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Someone else mentioned this on the iron fist talk page to...Jedi Dude 23:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I know why you still see it. I have a similar problem with other images. Some have suggested trying to refresh the article, but it doesn't work for me. Just give it some time. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:11, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Alright. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg |25px]] 23:13, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * If you have any further problems, you might want to ask an administrator. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:14, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hepheastos vandalized Quote. It should be OK now. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 00:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Is it an IE thing? Jack and I both use IE and we couldn't see it. I can't speak for anyone else though. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 01:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I use IE too but for some reason that picture just stayed on the screen. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg |25px]] 01:44, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I've had a similar problem. In fact, I still do sometimes. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:11, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry to restart this, but which image was it? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 18:54, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No image currently on the page was affected: the quote template was just replaced with the offensive image we're talking about. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 19:02, 22 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, I get it. Thanks. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:03, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

Two conflicting sources
There are two conflicting cannon sources for this article. The episode of Clone Wars gives the time line that she immediately went off to the battle of Battle of Muunilinst after receiving her curve-hilted lightsabers from Dooku, while Jedi: Mace Windu gives a longer interval between the two events.
 * It doesn't say she went straight off to Muunilinst. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it shows it.--Herbsewell 20:05, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it just shows Ventress leaving. She could be easily heading off to duel Windu before heading over to Muunilinst. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:07, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, you are correct sir.--Herbsewell 20:14, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Or you could be correct in that she's headed for Muunilinst then, but there could be a period before that scene but after Dooku and Asajj's duel where she goes to confront Windu. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:17, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait she was going to Muunilinst, that's how she was completing her mission.--Herbsewell 20:26, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Unless she was asleep for a few weeks.


 * Or she took a detour to fight Windu. There's nothing that says she couldn't have. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes but it shows her before that with the hilted lightsabers, in Jedi: Mace Windu.--Herbsewell 20:32, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I know that. That's why I said that, after leaving for Muunilinst, she could have went to face Windu. Dooku might have holo'ed her and said "Anakin can wait. Head to Ruul to face Mace Windu." Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Do yo have the comic Jack?--Herbsewell 20:44, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes I do. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Go to page 89.--Herbsewell 20:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Why don't you just tell me instead of me looking for it? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:49, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well on that page it shows Dooku briefing Asajj to go to the meeting of Mace Windu.--Herbsewell 20:53, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Where does that briefing take place? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:19, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No idea, but it's definitely not in the same time frame as Clone Wars.--Herbsewell 01:16, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Doesn't matter. Officially, the events of the cartoon, with the various comic events in between that event and her fighting Anakin. QuentinGeorge 01:28, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * But they aren't. The cartoon shows her going directly to Muunilinst.--Herbsewell 01:34, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it doesn't. She doesn't say "I'm going straight to Muunilinst." She simply leaves Rattatak. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 02:42, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * She went to Ruul two days after she was briefed. Jack she went to Muunilinst because there was nowhere else she would go.  In the comic it shows her on some world not mentioned or known bing briefed.  When she was informed of the mission she had her hilted lightsabers, which meant is was after battle of Muunilinst, which is impossible because she was already defeated by Anakin Skywalker.  Jack can you please tell me if she briefed before or after the battle of Muunilinst.--Herbsewell 16:28, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * If canon says she went to Ruul before Muunilinst, she went to Ruul. I'll repeat this again: When she left Rattatak in Clone Wars, no one ever said she was going straight to Muunilinst. There are no conflicting sources here. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:03, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * She couldn't have gone before because before she did not have the hilted lightsabers.--Herbsewell 20:11, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Herbsewell, I'm saying that when it shows Ventress leaving Rattatak after getting her lightsabers, she heads for Ruul before Muunilinst. I've been saying that same thing over and over again. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:13, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it shows Dooku briefing her on the mission in some other planet.--Herbsewell 20:23, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Then after leaving Rattatak she went to that other planet for a briefing. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:24, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes but the battle of Muunilinst was going on at the same time.--Herbsewell 20:29, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * So? That makes no difference. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:32, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * She went to Ruul two days after she was briefed. Ergo, This could have not been before the battle because it was not more than a few hours long.--Herbsewell 20:39, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Herbsewell, we don't know for sure how long the Battle of Muunilinst was. Now, unless you have solid proof of these sources conflicting, I ask you not to keep posting on this topic. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:40, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well you do not have proof that she went to Ruul as opposed to Muunilinst.--Herbsewell 20:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Canon says she went to Ruul before Muunilinst. Deal with it. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:46, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * What source?--Herbsewell 20:50, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Canon is my source. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:54, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you a mongoloid? Book, comic, poster, what?--Herbsewell 20:56, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You having nothing to back up your claim, either. If you stop, I'll stop. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:58, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well when two canon sources contradict each other, I want a source to settle it, now what is your source? Jack I've been spewing backed up claims since this thing started.--Herbsewell 21:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * End it there. This discussion has gone on long enough, and has contributed nothing. If either of you finds a source, post it. Otherwise, stop - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:01, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I have, he hasn't. Clone Wars chapter 7 vs. Jedi: Mace Windu, pg. 89.--Herbsewell 21:04, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Where does it state Rattatak and Muunilinst are concurrent? I believe the Rattatak sequence is treated as a flashback, or simply set earlier in the timeline. Otherwise it just confuses things - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:06, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay when would you say was the mission to Ruul? Before or After the Battle of Muunilinst.--Herbsewell 21:09, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Between Rattatak and Muunilinst. There's an official date somewhere - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:09, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * And FYI, Herbsewell, I tried to end this numerous times by providing the facts. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:10, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, let's hear them.--Herbsewell 21:11, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The dates, from the New Essential Chronology: Ventress' first appearance is 2.5 months into the Clone Wars, on Ohma-D'un, followed by Ruul half a month after. Thus, Rattatak must occur before that, possibly after the Dark Reaper project, since Dooku would be looking for a replacement for Cydon Prax. Muunilinst is 4 months in - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:13, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Now, it's over. No more posts. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:14, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Jack shut up. When was she defeated by Anakin?--Herbsewell 21:16, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * All Clone Wars episodes are 4 months after, though it makes no mention of the Rattatak part. The space battle and duel happens during Muunilinst, but Ventress has been established for the past two months - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:17, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Do not tell me to shut up. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:18, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Fine then. Refrain from making yourself more annoying.--Herbsewell 21:20, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Stop arguing. We're discussing here, not throwing hissy fits. With the dates I provided, is there now any discrepancy? - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:21, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:22, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * And I apologize, Herbsewell. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:27, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Where did she go after she received her lightsabers?--Herbsewell 21:28, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Probably Ohma-D'un. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:30, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That's her first known mission, at least - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:30, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It would make sense, because Anakin was involved with that mission. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:32, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought her mission there was to oversee the invasion of Naboo.--Herbsewell 21:34, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ostensibly, yes, but while fighting Obi-Wan, she mentions "the boy", despite not having met Anakin yet. So it seems she knows of his involvement in the mission - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:39, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Which means that her first mission was separate from that one.--Herbsewell 21:40, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Not really; doesn't Sidious tell her about Anakin on Rattatak? And, interestingly, though Durge thinks the mission was a failure, Ventress disagrees, as she now knows "my enemy's face - and his heart" - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:41, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well technically she failed because the mission was to kill him.--Herbsewell 21:43, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's probably more a case of losing the battle, but hoping to win the war. That one mission was more concerned with the poisoning of Naboo, wheras Ventress will have other opportunities to kill Anakin, and having gauged his skill will help with that - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:45, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * So that was her primary mission on Naboo's moon.--Herbsewell 21:48, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's funny with that "and his heart" thing. Anakin's wife was on Naboo, which Ventress was planning on poisoning. I wonder if she thought the same thing when she saw Anakin with Padme's hologram. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:52, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That's off topic.--Herbsewell 01:50, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Not really, no. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 03:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay but Durge was killed by Obiwan and Anakin over Maramere for the final time correct?--Herbsewell 21:43, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:33, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * ...I actually for the first time read the page and saw that her end was not when Anakin first defeated her. I guess this concludes the discussion.--Herbsewell 23:53, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * As much as I want this to end, how does that end this discussion? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:56, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay how bout this, you can keep talking but I won't talk back.--Herbsewell 00:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * What's wrong with you? I just asked you a simple question. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:03, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not part of this discussion any more.--Herbsewell 00:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * So you won't even answer that last question? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:07, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It doesn't end the discussion in that sense, no one can end a discussion except you of course Jack because for some reason you're better than the rest of us. I'm just going to stop typing questions and answers.--Herbsewell 00:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Herbsewell, I know I'm no better than anyone else around here. I don't know why you went from one atitude to another, but if you're happy, fine. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:14, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well you sure act like it Jack. I've seen you countless of times declare a discussion ended and everyone else disagrees, and ignores you.  Just the fact that you've posting comments proves you have to have the last word.--Herbsewell 00:18, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I say that a discussion is ended only if it has nothing to contribute, because then there's no need for such a discussion. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 03:04, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well it's so nice that you're always there to announce it.--Herbsewell 03:12, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Wookieepedia is not the place for pointless discussions. We're not a forum, and most don't realize that until after they start a topic. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 03:14, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well this discussion is pointless because we are not talking about a specific topic. You can keep talking, I could care less.--Herbsewell 03:16, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Gungan Zombies
Does anyone know how Asajj resurrected the dead gungans and has it ever been used before?
 * Already been discussed a few sections above. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:56, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Battle of Xagobah appearance (for those who think it's not canon).
In hopes of ending this issue over Ventress's appearance in the Battle of Xagobah, please read the book Boba Fett: Pursuit. It is in fact Ventress, as she is clearly depicted on the cover. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 03:23, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * How does she appear in the novel?--Herbsewell 03:26, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Flying a ship. .  .  .  .  03:27, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Technically, no proof there, but the cover is the proof of her appearance. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 03:30, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Book covers aren't canon.--Herbsewell 03:31, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * To a degree, yes, they are. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 03:31, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * And if she did not appear in the story, it's not an appearance.--Herbsewell 03:34, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * How did she appear in the ship?