Forum:CT Archive/Petition to Wikia to leave user talk pages alone

Per my comment at Forum:SH:Wikia is going mad, this is a petition to Wikia to not implement the upcoming changes to user talk pages on Wookieepedia. There's no guarantee they'll obey our wishes, but we can try.  Master Jonathan &mdash; Jedi Council Chambers Tuesday, September 27, 2011, 02:49 UTC

Support (leave user talk pages as they are)

 * 1)  Master Jonathan  &mdash; Jedi Council Chambers Tuesday, September 27, 2011, 02:49 UTC
 * 2) Please.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  02:52, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) As stated in said Senate Hall discussion, I will heartily say no to Wikia's changes.-- Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 02:53, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) Worth a shot.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 02:54, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 5) Karohalva 02:58, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 6) The system works, and I believe archiving the current talk pages will disrupt ongoing conversations. So I join my fellow users in asking for a reversal of the upcoming changes. Corellian PremierRobotech.jpg along the watchtower 03:01, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 7) This is of course totally hopeless, as Wikia stopped caring about what users actually want a long time ago. But sure, I'll sign. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 03:05, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 8) Per Culator. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 03:09, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 9) Per Corellian Premier. Why mess with success? -- SFH 03:13, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 10) See the thing is, the law of averages says that there's at least one Wiki that will love this new change. But the key is choice. The change should be optional, an elective left at the discretion of each individual Wiki's administration to implement based on what they find works best for their user community, and not forced upon anyone. But honestly? *sigh* Per Culator. --Bella&#39;Mia 03:28, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 11) Per Culator.  OLIOSTER  (talk) 03:38, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 12) Oh look, Wikia's decided to do something stupid again. More news at 11. I'll sign, but color me skeptical of this influencing them. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Talk page ) 03:47, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 13) I have a bellybutton. Toprawa and Ralltiir 04:24, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 14) Sigh.  —Tommy  9281  Tuesday, September 27, 2011, 04:32 UTC 
 * 15) Been horrified by the restrictions and dumbingdown effect of this, so now I give out my public opinion: good for social sites, bad for us, veeeery bad. –Tm_T (Talk) 05:01, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 16) Wump. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 05:17, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 17) Considering a multitude of established users said they would quit, maybe wikia should actually start listening if they want to retain their active editors. However, as it seems they only care about page views. 1358  (Talk)  05:24, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey, I have a belly button too! WhiteBoy 07:18, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Can't hurt, as much as I'm sceptical of its success. - Cavalier One FarStar Logo.jpg( Squadron channel ) 07:47, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) Dear Wikia. Please cut with the BS. Thank you. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 10:03, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) Per all of my fellow cynics who doubt this will work but hope against all hope that maybe, just maybe, it will. jSarek 10:32, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 4)  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 11:41, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 5) <- Omicron (Leave a message at the BEEP! ) 12:20, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 6) I've half given up on editing anyway so if Wikia do start going through with more and more bullshit like this then I'm happy to go spend my time elsewhere. &mdash;N  AYAYEN  12:31, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 7) -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 13:51, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 8) Per Culator and Tm. Jonjedigrandmaster  ( Talk ) 14:18, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 9) Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 15:12, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 10) This is absolutely ridiculous! WHY??!!! Ugh. If only we had a way to run our own server. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 15:22, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 11) Where is my talk page... Is she safe?  DD97 Which bear is best? 15:24, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 12)  JangFett  (Talk) 15:42, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 13) This is 31 of us, including some of us who have been inactive recently, signing a petition in the span of 13 hours. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 16:12, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 *  N7  &#91; T &#124; C &#93; 16:34, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Gulomi Jomesh 16:35, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2)   TK  999  16:40, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) Green Tentacle (Talk) 17:57, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * 4) If I want Facebook functionality, I will use Facebook. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 03:19, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * 5) I love bandwagons.-- KissMyWookiee ( Talk At Me ), 05:04, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * 6) This is one snowball that should surely die in hell. --  Riffsyphon  1024 06:24, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * 7) Wikia meets Facebook. (Per SavageBob) Nahdar Vebb 18:49, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * 8) Dear Wikia, Please stop screwing us over. Love, fed-up users.  CC7567  (talk) 05:51, September 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * 9) Jinzler 21:55, September 29, 2011 (UTC)
 * 10) I'm pretty sure this is a fight we cannot win, but heck if that's going to stop me from trying. Tinwe (comlink) 12:03, October 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * 11) !wikia Tyber J. Kenobi's Droid 16:11, October 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * 12) Lucky 43. Menkooroo 16:13, October 1, 2011 (UTC)
 * 13) Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 14:55, October 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * 14) Goddammit, if it ain't broke don't fix it.  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 23:49, October 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * 15) Who is your daddy and what does he do? ToRsO bOy 06:35, October 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * 16) Chack is back enough to vote no. Wikia's changes make Facebook's look benign and trivial.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 18:38, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * 17) First Oasis, then this. What's happening Wikia? SeanWheeler 01:56, October 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * 18) I suggest that if when this does nothing, we simply create new user pages and ignore Wikia's new system.  Holocron Greatholocron.jpg (Complain) 09:53, October 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * 19) Per Culator, Corellian Premier, Nayayen, and everyone else. We are a collaborative Star Wars information project and not a social networking site. Unfortunately, like others, I seriously doubt that Wikia will bother listening to us, other than maybe a "you'll just love it!" remark; moving might be an option.  Darth Karika  will destroy your planet! 20:48, October 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * 20)  Clone Commander Lee  Talk 18:13, November 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * 21) Coming back from vacation only to be screwed by Wikia... lovely... Coruscantfan 02:13, November 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * 22) &mdash; Axinal  Convocation Chamber 22:00, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * 23) Craven 03:21, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Coming back from vacation only to be screwed by Wikia... lovely... Coruscantfan 02:13, November 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) &mdash; Axinal  Convocation Chamber 22:00, November 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * 3) Craven 03:21, November 17, 2011 (UTC)
 * 1) Craven 03:21, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Oppose (let the changes go through)

 * 1) Brrrr, 's cold and lonely out here! --Master Starkeiller 12:47, December 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * Stand and deliver, Wikia. Adam Ant 17:28, December 7, 2011 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Does anyone think that we should make some kind of announcement to everyone about this so that everyone will know what is going on? Just a thought. Sigh...-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  03:30, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * It appears that just about everyone on Wookieepedia knows about it now. Even came out for this one. :D But I think that someone should definitely shove this in Wikia's face to show that none of us want it and several have threatened to quit. -- Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 13:27, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * I included a link to this in an example in my tl;dr special:contact complaint. :3 1358  (Talk)  13:32, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Why can't we just leave Wikia entirely? I can't even edit anonymously without being bombarded by their massive amounts of dreck piled upon more dreck.  Wikkii seems like a good enough alternative, as does Shoutwiki.  Or there's always independent hosting. 187.115.169.183 15:30, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * The problem is basically that wikia pwns google rankings. We will never have back our pageviews if we move and this version continues to exist. And wikia refuses to close wikis. 1358  (Talk)  15:34, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hypothetically, if we can somehow tell StarWars.com that we've moved, those Encyclopedia links might actually turn out to be a good thing. They'll help fans find out where we are. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 16:26, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe Lucas would be willing to host Wookieepedia on a subpage of StarWars.com, since he's replacing the Databank anyway.-- KissMyWookiee ( Talk At Me ), 05:14, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't think that that would be a very good idea. Then we'd all have to go by whatever LucasFilm says, and we'd be considered an "official" site rather than a "fan" site. If I'm going to work for LFL, I want to be paid and given an official title. :P -- Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 14:07, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * I didn't say it was a "good" idea, and it probably would create more issues than it resolves, but it would definitely end the question of "which Wookieepeida is the REAL Wookieepedia" if it comes to that. -- KissMyWookiee ( Talk At Me ), 16:20, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * See w:c:community:Forum:Message Wall - A Simple List Of Names and please sign there as well. 1358  (Talk)  15:40, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hey everybody, I just thought of a way that we can avoid using the new style even if it is implemented. Each user can create a user subpage called User:/talk which can be used in a similar way to the old talk page. I know it won't be quite the same and it won't be quite as good as the old king, but at least we could have something closer to what we currently have if Wikia makes us have the new message boards. What does everyone think of this backup plan?-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  23:56, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hmm, good thinking, but I frankly can't say that I look forward to either option, but I guess it would be better than Wikia's thing. But then each user would have to make one, and we can't force users to make one. I can see bad in both sides, so let's really hope that this will be a back-up plan only, and Wikia will keep the message boards away from us.-- Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 23:59, September 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * I don't really like my backup plan either, but it is a whole lot better than what Wikia has in mind, and I think that a lot of our users would go along with my idea for a backup plan if faced with the alternative.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  00:13, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Heh, believe me, I'd much rather go with your plan than Wikia's plan. I'm just still hanging unto hope that this petition will do something.-- Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 00:16, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * Me too. We're in the same boat...-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  00:25, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * The only problems I see with this are the following: 1) We would have to make EVERY user a subpage, 2) No one would get the "You have new messages" notice anymore, so everyone would have to be trusted to check their own subpage. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 13:16, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * My thoughts exactly. That's why I said let's keep it as a back-up and still hope that this will work.-- Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 14:07, September 28, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's live on communitytest if someone wants to test it out. It creates a new page for every new line. Inb4 moving a user talk page and getting all the comments moved. ._. 1358  (Talk)  18:42, October 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Is that seriously what it will look like? That's hideous. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 19:44, October 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * AHHHHH!!!  "This is a big one!! Did you hear that Yoda? I'm comin' to join you!!"-- Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 02:29, October 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * So, when are we gonna send this to Wikia? MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 13:14, November 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? The call is coming from inside the wiki farm. They're watching us. >.> NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 16:05, November 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * lol MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 15:14, November 3, 2011 (UTC)