User talk:Jedi Kasra/Archive 1

Re:

 * I personally don't like fan theories on the talk pages, but it's not anything horribly bad or a big deal. My fear is that people with no idea of canon will add fanon to the saber form articles themselves- you have no idea how many times I've had to pull Revan off of a saber form practitioners article. As long as that doesn't happen, I'm great. Anyway, it's not a big deal and I hope that you enjoy Wookieepedia. Atarumaster88  21:36, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

RE:Revan's amnesia
'''You know when the K.O.T.O.R. game says that Revan's mind was destroyed? That probably was his mind as in his "identity", not his memories. Obviously, his memories weren't destroyed, but as far as his identity, the Jedi Council couldn't repair Revan's identity. What do you think?''' Honestly, I have no idea =). Your explanation is likely, but Bastila's vague statement could have meant any number of things. She could have been lying (ie. Obi-Wan's "certain point of view" nonsense), mistaken, or she could have been referring to an actual physical injury which resulted in amnesia. It is impossible to really know which theory is correct. I purposely avoided theorizing in the Amnesia subsection because many Wookieepedians would consider it unnecessary Fanwanking. And no, I am not accusing you of fanwanking! Believe me, I have done my share of it on this site&hellip; Also, is the Circlet of Saresh included in the downloadable content in the K.O.T.O.R. version of X-boX? As it states in the "Behind the scenes" section of the Circlet of Saresh article, it only appears in the PC version of the game. I am not 100% certain (I only own the PC version), but I am pretty sure that it is not part of the downloadable content.–Sentry 23:10, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Just wanted to drop you a line
I think it is great how you keep analyzing KotOR I and II, and cross-reference it with other sources. Personally I think it's a mess of the kind I would never bother to even begin sorting out, therefore I admire it when someone does. Keep up the good work. It is people like you who will someday figure out the Jedi Civil War, and put it in a neat article for lazy fans like me to read and go: "Oh! So that's why!" DarthMRN 13:56, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

Jar'Kai

 * Good job on the article. Here are a few suggestions for improvement. 1) The first sentence needs to have a different verb. 2) Everything should be sourced. 3) Watch POVish words, such as "terrible" and "masterfully."

Atarumaster88  ( Talk page ) 13:13, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Point of view. See WP:NPOV. Basically, we try and avoid listing things in opinionated terms such as "terrible". Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:29, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Possible practitioners

 * We removed possible practitioners from the gallery on the saber forms awhile ago. Please don't add them back in, it detracts from the purpose of the gallery. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:01, 16 July 2007 (UTC)
 * No problem. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 19:37, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Eh, I don't like Possible Users galleries- they're too vulnerable to fanon and it just doesn't make sense to me to place a gallery of people who aren't confirmed to use the form. I place that sort of info in BTS, and not much of it either. But, should you keep it, then you would not need the (Possible). Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 20:56, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That's why I don't like the "Possible Users" section or galleries- it's not canon, so I don't see it as helpful. There was a vote, on the Form IV and V talk pages awhile ago to remove them. Anyway, that's all I have on that issue, though Kol is certified to be a Jar'Kai user if he has two blades, etc. You also might want to trim that main gallery down- it's huge. Upon seeing the size of that, I really wanted to delete the Possible practitioners gallery- it's just enormous. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 21:15, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I thought I've read differently, but I can't remember the reference off the top of my head. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 21:39, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Authors never have been too helpful with the saber forms stuff, but there's hope with the Essential Guide to the Force hopefully going to explain some more. Well, good luck. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 21:59, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * That link is broken. It leads to a "moved page" redirect. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 21:22, 25 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmm, that's interesting, so it's worth a mention in your possible practitioners section. Also could use a mention on Darth Krayt. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 13:17, 26 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Jack Nebulax took care of it already. :-) Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:27, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Erm ... I don't want to say that they are *confirmed* practitioners, as it's possible to never use them so they never level up. I can't say that for sure, one way or the other. Oh, and Zez-Kai and Vrook can teach the other forms- you just have to go to the planets in a different order. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 01:09, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The guide doesn't necessarily reflect the canonical path of the game. And it is possible to get all the influence with your other characters and learn the forms in different orders than what you listed- I did it by putting Dantooine first, then Nar Shaddaa, Dxun, Onderon, etc. In this case, not enough is set in stone about the Exile or her companions to allow us to make a definite statement on her companions or her knowledge of saber forms. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 03:29, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Re: Lost Jedi

 * Sadly, no canonical source has covered much about the Exile or her companions in great detail, other than KotOR II, NEC, and NEGTC, none of which mention her companions being trained in the ways of the Force. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 18:01, 31 July 2007 (UTC)

Re:

 * I don't know on that one. I'm not that knowledgeable on the KotOR era as say, Sikon is. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 01:21, 1 August 2007 (UTC)
 * No, he's not. A vandal put that on his page, and he left it up as a joke. Anyways, he's a bureaucrat, so he could unban himself even if he was. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 03:26, 2 August 2007 (UTC)

Action Figure Image
Hi Jedi Kasra, just to let you know I uploaded the image you requested, check it out on my user page, see ya soon.-KickAssJedi 07:57, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Hey Kasra Ive uploaded you the darth malak action figure image.-KickAssJedi 13:59, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Wassup!
How are you doing Kasra this is The K.O. King I just wanted to tell you that on my computer I still can't upgrade but on my aunt's and uncle's computer I can. And on my page can you put that my favorite Jedi Master is Obi-Wan Kenobi.-- The K.O. King

Yo Kasra I can edit on my computer now. I need to know Chris's username?--The K.O. King

The K.O. King Is Back to Knock You Out
I'm back. Yo what's up man. Alright here's the dillio I need you to help me make a userpage called Zhran you know I need help with the userboxes and everything. Now the page is not created yet so send me a message when you read this I may not answer immediantly but I will eventually. I am going to put a false history about Zhran and beneath that put a real history. okey dokey? See you later--The K.O. King 01:41, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Yes Knock You Out I Am The Best Warrior Of The J-Team.
Whenever you get the chance don't forget about my Zhran page and the Doctor Who Wiki thing. Send me a message when you read this or I will hunt you down muhahahahaha!!!--The K.O. King 29 October 2007 (UTC)

Images
Here is the Image, im sorry its not really what you wanted bt its the best i could do, the important thing is both blades are there. - Captain KAJ  – Shipwreck Cove 16:44, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Spoilers

 * If there is material released within the past month for the article that has spoilers, then it should have a spoiler tag, or if there is material from a soon-to-be released product. If not, then there should not be a spoiler. As I do not read Legacy comics and have no intention of starting, I cannot confirm or deny that- try Havac if you want someone knowledgeable about Legacy spoilers. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 03:50, 9 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads-up. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 21:22, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

Revan's Powers and Abilities
Hi Kasra.

In the future, can you please read the reasons for edits on Revan's history page?

The powers and abilities section of Revan's article is supposed to reflect his skills as an individual. Now, while you can play the game without party members if you so choose, we can only say with a degree of certainty that he defeated TWO terentatek on his own (which says all we need to know really, a *single* terentatek is capable of wiping out a *squad* of Jedi according to the Essential Guide to the Force).

Likewise for the Darth Bandon thing. Whilst it's likely that Revan is the one who kicked Bandon's ass, it is not - by any means - certain that he delivered the deathblow.

If you disagree, I'd at least like to see your reasons why - and then have a proper debate - rather than have you just change things back without explanation.

Catch you later.( Uli Talk 14:08, 14 December 2007 (UTC))
 * I don't think we can, really. The majority of players faced Darth Bandon with a full party.  Since there's a good chance that Revan didn't fight Darth Bandon on his own, saying he "defeated Darth Bandon" seems dishonest at the present time.  We could say, at the most, that "Revan and his companions defeated Darth Bandon"... but then we'd have introduced people who weren't Revan into Revan's talent section. I don't see what the big deal, is, really. Bandon was a nobody... and we've got it down that Revan defeated Malak.  Anyway, inabit, dude. :)( Uli Talk 21:15, 15 December 2007 (UTC))

Darth Malak
Alek is Malak now please don't try to change it. User:Atrulean Starkiller December 14 2007.

Saber Wielding
Hai, Kasra. In the way you say, all your teammates in KotOR videogames have possibility to wield "Duals" and "saberstaffs" and I doubt so. Simple examples - Jolee, Juhani and Bastila.

Alek-revanchist 13:15, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Re:

 * Jedi Kasra, I just read over your concerns and observations on my talk page. Here's what I have for you: The cover mentions are not typically included in on the Wookieenews page and they're generally not considered notable enough for main page news. That's more subjective I suppose. The KotOR era is really beyond my realm of knowledge, but they certainly appear to be the same group. If you would rather take it slowly, I suggest a talk page vote on one of the articles to determine if a merger is necessary. As for the last point on the Jedi Civil War, I will address it at the next Inq meeting in a week or so. Thanks. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 05:36, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:00, 8 January 2008 (UTC)
 * A general guideline for a talk page vote is two weeks. That's not hard and fast; just a guideline. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 16:42, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * That sounds like a good idea; if the merge is approved, just let me know and I'll help you merge it. It's not that hard, just laborious. We won't actually delete the other article- it'll stick around as a redirect. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 04:15, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Right. Something like that. Or how Darth Vader is a redirect to Anakin Skywalker. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 19:30, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry I wasn't on earlier, but the first step in merging the article over might be to ensure that the Appearances and Sources sections are combined into one. Don't remove the list from one article, but copy it over until the one you're keeping has the Appearances and Sources from both articles. Additionally, check that the categories are the same. They look okay to me. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 06:26, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * The next step is a bit trickier. You need to incorporate all the information both articles into one, in chronological order. And I'm not sure on the image; that's not my specialty and I prefer the game image anyway. That's personal choice. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 22:06, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Talked to Greyman in IRC; he fixed it. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 03:32, 3 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, since the articles are moved, I redirected Jedi Crusader. Getting the title changed again would pretty much take another talk page vote, and I'm not sure you want to go through with that. If the vote was approved, it would be simple to just move the page.  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 00:04, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

KOTOR
I'm not sure about either, sorry. Havac 05:03, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

WookieeProject Knights of the Old Republic
I have been given permission by the original founder to take over this WookieeProject. As a result, I would like to ask if you are still interested in working on it. Please contact me if you would like to continue or not, stating which role you wish to play if so.-- Goodwood  ( Alliance Intelligence ) 18:40, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Glad to see you're still interested. Image uploading isn't that hard once you get the hang of it; come on the IRC channel and most of the peeps there would be happy to help you figure it out. If you could, on the WookieeProject page please put what role you wish to take, such as Writer or Editor, next to your signature.-- Goodwood [[Image:Redstarbird.svg|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 21:53, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Re: Darth Bane: Rule of Two
Kasra: Unfortunately, I neither own the book nor have read it yet. I would love to help but am not currently knowledgeable on the topic. I'm glad you are willing to work on it, but I'm sorry that I can't help as far as information. Once the information issues are resolved, I would be willing to do a proofing and copyedit if I have time. (Unfortunately, life is getting crazy at the moment.) I would suggest asking around the Knowledge Bank or on the IRC to see who has expertise on Darth Bane. Good luck!  Master Aban Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 23:22, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

The way works is that you source the statement, and then remove the statement. It's really not all that difficult. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 20:59, 8 February 2008 (UTC)
 * -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 21:12, 8 February 2008 (UTC)

Re:Revan
I think I must have clicked rollback by accident, because I don't remember doing so. My apologies. Feel free to revert back. Cheers, -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 23:27, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
 * No, sorry. I still haven't even gotten around to reading Path of Destruction, though it is sitting on one of my shelves. Sorry I couldn't be of any help. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 23:34, 11 February 2008 (UTC)

Re:Swarm War
Not really, aye. It doesn't seem to be a hugely popular period... --Eyrezer 03:23, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Revan edits

 * The reason I keep reverting your edits is because, firstly; it makes sense to assume that Revan would have been enigmatic regardless of whether he becae a Jedi or not, being enigmatic is a built in attitude. And about the seconde point, it doesn't really matter which you use, whilst you may not consider using the word "nicknamed" as professional, I would. And the fact of the matter is is that the title "the Revanchist" was a nickname.  Jasca Ducato Sith Council 20:37, 13 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Other articles do though. Ones like Anakin Skywalker, Mace Windu, Darth Traya,  the Jedi Exile all have the species and gender of the caracter in the introduction. I don't believe their is any set policy on this, but I am one for keeping as much information as possible in the introduction.  Jasca Ducato Sith Council 09:19, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Zhran's Userpage
Hello Kasra it has been a while since I've talked on this site. Can you upgrade the fanon part of my page? You know mention my Master, when I became a Jedi Master, my part in the clone wars, my turning to the dark side (make up a Sith name, something with Destroyer or a word in another language that means destroyer), and that I was considered by many Jedi Warriors including Yoda that I was the greatest Jedi Warrior that ever lived. Thanks dude talk to you later. Zhran 00:53, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Revan
Oh you're welcome. Cyfiero II 03:47, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

Re: Inqship
Kasra, thank you for your kind words !  Master Aban Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 03:40, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Revanchists/Revanchist (faction)
Sorry for the lengthy delay. I basically had to take a week off the wook to fight 'Darth Real Life' for a time. I've thought about it a little this evening and I think that leaving as is would not be improper, but having Revanchists as a redirect to the current page would not be out of the question. In fact, it might be beneficial per the issues you cite on the talk page. Since that page already exists, it might be best to leave things as they are - which seems to more align with the current policy of naming wook articles. If there is overwhelming support to move the article, the data can be switched. I think for now, that is probably the best way to move forward.  Master Aban Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 03:40, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

Juhani's pic

 * Sorry, Jedi Kasra. I think it was Redemption that cropped that image of Malak. I can see what I can do though. --Eyrezer 02:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * How's this? --Eyrezer 04:56, 4 March 2008 (UTC)