Talk:Cronal

Move
Move this to Cronal (over redirect) with Blackhole explanation in the lead? --SparqMan 17:40, 2 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Alive
Wait a minute. Cronal is alive? Good God, he must be older than a Hutt. -- SFH 17:31, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * You know those Dark Side-ers. Always determined to live forever, the same old thing. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 18:35, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I personally think he'll get polished off in the Legacy of the Force era somehow. Still, with characters like Cronal one can never be sure... Demented Smiloid 19:25, 22 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * With him, Tremayne and Lumiya still around, it wouldn't be surprising if a New New Sith Order was spawned in LOTF....Lumiya the mastermind, Cronal the mad scientist and Tremayne the muscle, examples of the three kinds of supervillian. Gothymog 15:11, 21 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Who knows, he might lead a fleet against the Galactic Alliance... You know those Imperial warlords. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:39, 22 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah! And they could use as their flagship the Vengeance (this article does not include that Jerec gave the Vengeance to Cronal before he perished at Ruusan- my Wikipedia version, which is more comprehensive, does mention this)! --Maru (talk) Contribs 00:33, 22 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Damn. I was planning to write a series about about a Sith revival and use Cronal as the Dark Lord. Though it probably wouldn't have been published. --SFH 01:42, 26 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Ha ha. Is it my fault that I want to write a Star Wars book, SFH? Cmdr. J. Nebulax 17:28, 26 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * People, please post comments after the one at the bottom of the topic, not in the middle. It gets annoying. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 00:36, 22 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Eh, so am I. But I'm having more sucess than you probably are...  However, I plan to cover his history, and go up to what's already been covered about him.  Would it be acceptable to put the information from ny novel into this article, under a suitable heading, such as "Upcoming data", and list it as definitely non-canon yet? Dominus 14:23, 17 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Depends if the novel actually gets published. My "book" is simply for fun now. I don't plan to get it published. Plus, I wasn't even writing about Cronal. Admiral J. Nebulax 14:24, 17 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I could see some problems arising from not having it published, but I've got the backing of enough people to publish it on my own if we can't get a publishing comp. to do it. Dominus 19:50, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It would not be acceptable for your to add your own fan content to the article. If your novel gets published by a licensed Lucasfilm publisher, then your fan content will enter canon and be included. --SparqMan 19:57, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * And I doubt that it will be licensed by Lucasfilm anyhow. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:38, 18 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Distrust my writing skills, you do? Ashamed, you should be.  A great writer, I am. Dominus 12:33, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Have you written any other Star Wars novels? Admiral J. Nebulax 20:30, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Ahh! A great writer!
 * hmph!
 * Publications not make one great. --Maru (talk) Contribs 19:56, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Exactly. If he is such a great writer, why does he keep his identity a secret? Admiral J. Nebulax 20:44, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Because I'm only 14. But I'd be more than happy to link to previously publlished material that I've written for my local newspaper.  Just tell me where to put it. Dominus 17:34, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Just put it into my profile. Dominus 17:43, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * So when are you going to publish your book? And did Lucasfilm license it? Admiral J. Nebulax 19:46, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)

On a completely unrelated topic, wasn't Cronal killed in the fight that led to Irek's brain damage? Or was that yet another Dark Jedi?Erl 01:18, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 01:51, 1 March 2006 (UTC)

If Cronal was the Dark Jedi that fought Irek, then he is dead. The Irek Ismaren article says so, and I remember reading in the book that the Dark Jedi was killed. - Bub
 * Well, Cronal is alive, so that doesn't work... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:59, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * What's the source that has Blackhole as the Dark Jedi who was on Coruscant with Roganda and Irek? Because that guy is supposed to be dead; he put his lightsaber through Irek's brain, and Irek killed him.
 * Uh, this has been discussed twice above. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:17, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Cronal
The Cronal article over at Wikipedia is a bit more expansive than ours. If you have a moment, merge in the text and place wikipedia here. --SparqMan 10:16, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * What if some of it is incorrect? Admiral J. Nebulax 21:54, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Then we'll simply correct it.
 * Of course we would. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:34, 13 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I added the part about Shadowspawn being suspected of being Cronal. Seems unlikely though, givin Cronal's physical condition.--Darth OblivionComlink[[Image:Oldsith.png|20px]] 20:43, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it seems impossible that they are the same. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:02, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

Cronal and Nyax
It was indeed Cronal who helped modify Irek Ismaren, according to Droids, Technology and the Force: A Clash of Phenomena: "The lethal potential of the subelectronic converter was seen in the last decades, with the Ismarens' nearly successful resurrection of the Eye of Palpatine weapons platform and ultimately, with the suspected help of Lord Cronal, the conversion of Irek into a mechanical monster himself." jSarek 00:51, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Key words: "suspected help". Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Nebulax, why can't you simply accept that Cronal is dead?  Bub  Talk  01:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Because no source has said he's dead. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:31, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * JSarek's post explains it. A lot of things have been "suspected" in the Star Wars universe, and most of them have been simply ignored. Why do you hang on to this? Bub 02:16, 16 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Because no source has said he's dead. It only says "suspected". It doesn't say he was that Dark Jedi. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:35, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

Image
I got the idea that the image was actually that of the Dark Underlord. If not, it seems to have no relevance to this article. Chack Jadson 22:52, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The infobox image? --Imp 22:54, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope, that image is of Agent Blackhole, the most famous alias of Lord Cronal. It comes from both Star Wars Gamer 5 and the Rebellion Era Sourcebook. jSarek 23:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Which Dark Underlord? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:21, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Jack: This one-Dark Underlord. Imp: the infobox one. I based my staement on info in the BTS from Pena. Chack Jadson 20:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * What does the picture of Blackhole have to do with the Dark Underlord? --Imp 20:19, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I don't get it. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:05, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * The Dark Underlord was a shadowy dark side entity not fully in the material world, a concept Pena originally planned for Blackhole but used for the Underlord instead; if you don't know Cronal always preferred to work as a holoprojected image rather than reveal himself, the pic looks like a representation of this concept. jSarek 08:24, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I agree. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you, jSarek. I didn't know he used a holgram, so thanks. Learn something new everyday. Chack Jadson 21:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * And I learned there's a Dark Underlord. ;) Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)

Sariss - Cronal's daughter?
What's the source for this? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 00:12, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Had to search a bit. It's from Part 6 of The Dark Forces Saga: "It was from the prophet Lord Cronal, father to the sorceress Sariss and the man later known as the shadowy Dark Side magus Blackhole [...]" --Craven 01:18, 17 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Thanks. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 12:07, 17 January 2007 (UTC)