Talk:Darth Malak

See also Talk:Darth Malak/Archive.

Jaw Injury
I'm surprised there isn't a section for this already. Is there any cannon material stating how Malak got his Jaw injury yet? Last I knew, it was unknown, is that still the case? I guess I can assume so, but if anyone has any information otherwise, please state it, if only to help other people who will inevitably ask this question later. Jawajoey 07:27, 11 June 2007 (UTC) That was an awkward way of saying it, but, I guess it's canon now...*sigh* Revan211 22:02, 2 September 2007 (UTC) Alright, unless there are any reasons not, I'm going to change the article to reflect this new information. Revan211 01:07, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
 * The StarWars.com Databank says he lost it to a lightsabre, but it doesn't say who's or how. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 12:26, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
 * http://www.jedidefender.com/yabbse/index.php?topic=15158.150 Scroll down to the second post, and it is revealed that Revan was the one who cut off his jaw.--Sith Alchemy 101 15:51, 1 September 2007 (UTC)
 * We should really wait until someone can actually verify that the final product has been released and that it includes the text shown. However, I don't feel strongly enough about it to revert the changes again&hellip;– 06:20, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

Odd parenthetical remark
"But by taking the path of the dark side (which ironically Revan started him down in the first place) he lost that respect and friendship he once had in a mad quest for power—trading it in for fear, hatred, and eventually death." (from the page currently)

The parenthetical remark about Revan starting Malak down the path to the dark side seems odd, especially given that the article discusses Malak taking full responsibility for his own actions just before this sentence. Malak may have followed Revan but he followed of his own free will, and his own musings before his death confirm it. I think this parenthetical remark ought to be removed. I am editing it out for now but I will keep the quote here in case it is ultimately decided that it should still be used. --Israi 04:32, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

Malak -> Darth Malak?
Because everyone knew them as Malak and Revan before the Sith rise. Darthan the destroyer 02:13, 15 April 2007 (UTC)
 * In accordance to other Sith? What about Dooku, Palpatine and Kreia? Darth Kevinmhk 00:14, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Have a look at the naming policy. Unless the were publically known as something else during their time as a Sith (like the aforementioned 3), a Sith's article goes at his "Darth" name, just like Darth Vader, Darth Bane, Darth Zannah, Darth Millennial, Darth Cognus, Darth Ruin and the rest. QuentinGeorge 00:24, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * What about Revan? - Sikon [ Talk ] 16:41, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Revan returned to the light side before his death, and (unless we get contradictory info in KOTOR 3) abandoned "Darth" for the remainder of his life. -BaronGrackle 21:04, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Besides, with the exception of Darth Zannah, all the sith you mentioned were renamed, taking on a sith name different from their real names. Malak added Darth to his name. Jedi Wolf 5:42, 3 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Just out of curiosity, where does it say that Revan and Malak never changed their names when they turned to the dark side and became Darth Revan and Darth Malak? Vagrant Saint 14:41, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Cyborg?
Shouldn't cyborg be in parentheses next to Human?--Darth Oblivion 04:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)
 * He's got one prosthetic....that doesn't make him a cyborg any more than Luke's mechanical hand made him one - lalala_la
 * Ironically, the Luke Skywalker article states him as being a cyborg too. :-P -- I need a name 21:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * He is a cyborg in the strictest terms, but not in the way most people would imagine a cyborg in Sci-Fi terms dictionary definition
 * All that is required to be a cyborg is that an entity is part organic and part synthetic. Vader was a cyborg. Luke as a cyborg. Malak was a cyborg. Simple as that. Afterall, it only takes a shred of either integrated to the other to make an entity a cyborg; not necessarily mostly mechanical. Heck, I regularly call old men with pacemakers cyborgs too. For that matter, how can we be totally sure how much of Malak is or isn't prosthetic? Has anyone seen him completely without his suit in later life? Its safe to assume that due to the physically distorting effects of the Dark Side of the force, that those not strong enough in direct control of the force to compensate for such effects (e.g. Palpatine / Sidius seemed capable of managing without technological aid) would resort to cybernetics instead to patch themselves up. (~ SotiCoto)

Malak is no Cyborg. Hes not like Vader, and has to have the Machanical parts on him to keep himself alive.Darthan the destroyer 22:50, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 * --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 23:11, 5 March 2007 (UTC)


 * He is still not dependant on it, although, yes he does use it. Darthan the destroyer 20:53, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

What The??!
"An Easter egg in the ending of Knights of the Old Republic allows the player to transform Malak into a green-skinned Twi'lek Dancer and skip the final battle." when, how, what! Jedi Dude 17:43, 22 August 2006 (UTC)


 * The "easter egg" is this: First, you have to be in the room before the final room where Darth Malak awaits. (I believe its the room with all the Star Forge droids and the "puzzle" you have to solve to get them to quit spawning.) After completing the puzzle and destroying all the droids, head to the door Malak went through but don't open it or go through it. (I recommend saving the game here before you do the trick.) Also, make sure you have another controller plugged into Port 4 (as well as your controller in Port 1). Press the L Trigger, R Trigger, and the Y Button on both controllers. Your character will pull out his/her lightsaber, but that does not indicate the trick worked. (Jedi/Sith characters always ignite their lightsaber when the Y-button is pushed.) But, to find out, go through the door and talk to Malak. If it worked, you'll know. If not, reload the save game and try again. Matadore 9:37, 30 September 2006 (EST)

Can someone put up a picture of this? Darth Animus

Is there any way to do this on the PC version? STar war spUNK 14:45, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Bastila's Battle Meditation
''But the true reason Malak chose Bastila for his apprentice was the unimaginable advantages the Sith Empire could gain from her Battle Meditation. ''

I'm no KotOR expert, but this looks like speculation to me. What is the source? - Angel Blue 451 17:41, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Nah. It's right on. He says it himself "I'm far more interested in the young jedi Bastila and her Battle Meditation" -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 17:44, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, my mistake. - Angel Blue 451 17:48, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Darth Malak's height
Hey! Who always changes Malak's height?! Darth Malak is 2 meters tall (6'6 3/4" approx.) and I think that it is vandalism to change Malak's height to 2.02 meters because www.wikipedia.org also says that Darth Malak is 2 meters tall. So please guys, look for informations about his height. Thank you. No, 2 meters is not wrong. I've got an information book about Knights of the old republic and there it is written that Malak stands 2 meters (6' 6 3/4") in height and wikipedia.org also says that Malak is 2 meters tall. Is that 2 metres tall with or without his suit? For that matter, I'm not sure how much of his suit is actually integrated to his body, and whether its a part of him or not. I am tending to believe though that Malak may have been born a shorty and decided to compensate for it by technological means. Speculatothon! =P (~ SotiCoto)
 * Wikipedia is not a canonical Star Wars source, it's a third-party source that isn't always accurate (neither are we). The Databank, however, is a canonical source, and it indeed states Malak's height as 2 meters, so whoever is changing it to 2.02 is wrong. As for changing the height, it isn't vandalism, it's fanon. - Sikon 15:23, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the Databank says you're right. -LtNOWIS 06:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Flaming lightsaber?
Is it just me or does Malak's lightsaber trail flames when he does certain attacks? It looks ridiculously like the Doom Guards' swords in Warcraft III -_- - lalala_la

Delete this. This makes no sense. I banish you toooo, Alabama! Darthan the destroyer 02:16, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Behind the Scenes Errors
In the "Behind the Scenes" section, the "author" talks about the Jedi Exile's encounter with Malak in the Secret Tomb in the Shyrack Cave on Korriban. The author states that Malak weilds a purple lightsaber, and that only occurs in the XBOX version. This is extremely false... as you notice a lot of information on Wookieepedia/Wikipedia is. (Made-up, author "artistic license", whatever you want to call it, its not the facts.) Truth is, Malak weilds a red lightsaber, just as he does in Knights of the Old Republic. I've played through Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords twelve times on the XBOX, and each time Malak's lightsaber has been red. So, that needs to be edited. Matadore 9:54, 30 September 2006 (EST)
 * Feel free to edit it yourself if you want, no-one will stop you. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) [[Image:Sithempire2.png|20px]] 13:57, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

Abilities Section
We use to have one for Malak. What happened to it?


 * Sign your name and we'll tell you. Darthan the destroyer 20:55, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, now I'm interested... where did it go? And to really nice I'll even sign. -Kath.Hound 05:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Probably deleted it because it was no real use in the arcticle. If you want, you can make a new one. no one will stop you. Darthan the destroyer 15:04, 20 July 2007 (UTC)

Intro
Does anyone else think that the new intro is rather bloated?– 02:03, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry Imperialles, I could have stated that better. The new introduction was well written, but it was just really long.– 20:52, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Cropping the Image
What would everyone think if I cropped the infobox image down a bit or more? -- Redemption Talk 23:32, 23 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Cropped is good. .  .  .  .  23:35, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * ^ ^ ^ What he said. - Yoshi626 01:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I like both cropped images. I think we should go for number 2 though.(Ulicus 18:53, 5 November 2006 (UTC))
 * A source for the image would be awesome. --Imp 18:59, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find it on Gamespot&mdash;do you have a more specific link? =) --Imp 19:31, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, found it. --Imp 19:33, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, not very precise. *shrug* -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 19:47, 5 November 2006 (UTC)


 * I cant see the first picture. I guess it IS a better one than the second. Darthan the destroyer 20:56, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Changed some things...
Hey, I changed some things, mostly the grammar and some spelling. I would like someone to go in after me to look over it, as I'm sure I forgot some things. I didn't change any of the context, although I did change some wording as it a few sentances seemed unclear, or there was an easier and less wordy way to say them. Thanks! (By the way, I changed it a few days ago and wanted to wait to read it again to see if I could catch anything I missed!) China 21:09, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Not a cyborg?
So, the term (cyborg) gets removed from Malaks infobox...why? It's obvious that Malak has cybornetic implants in his throat. Luke keeps his cyborg, why not Malak? -- Redemption Talk 23:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * "Cyborg" is not a species.– 23:35, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Did I say it was? Luke has Human (cyborg) in his species. Malak can't have Human (cyborg)? -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 23:37, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * What is the point in adding it? It is not like Malak was always a cyborg and anyone who looks at his picture can tell that he became one. The information is superfluous and it could confuse people.– 23:42, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. Greivious should also have it removed. And as should eye and hair color. I mean, it's not like people can't tell that Han Solo has brown hair...Poor argument. It doesn't matter if it's "superfluous". Malak was a cyborg and cyborg goes into his infobox. And if people are confused (I'm not sure how...) then it's their problem and they should read the article. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 23:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * My problem is that you are adding the word "cyborg" to the "species" field. Being a cyborg has absolutely nothing to do with the character's species. Secondly, as I said before, Malak was not always a cyborg. Honestly, this isn't a big deal. Revert my edit if you want, but I just think it creates a bias when you add information to a character's infobox that only applies to a very short period of their life. – 23:55, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Because then you aren't completely human. You are a modified human, therefore, you aren't completely human. Your "part machine". And it doesn't matter how long the person in question was a cyborg. By the end of their life, he was a cyborg. End of story. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 00:00, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Is it really necessary to add a phrase like "End of story'" to your post? It doesn't add any weight to your argument and it can be construed as a form of intimidation.&mdash; 00:34, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. You going to ban me for it then since that would really "help" your arguement...-- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 00:49, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Let it go, this conversation was over quite some time ago. I already told you to do what you want. I simply don't care enough either way.– 01:04, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Then you should've left it there in the first place. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 01:06, 11 November 2006 (UTC)
 * For people with a problem with wanting to put cyborg in the info box, why not put it in a 'points of interest' bit like on the location info boxes. HavetStorm 17:37, 11 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It seems that Malak does fit in the cyborg catagory (since he has a cybernetic implant that obiviously helps him in some way - I had to look it up to be sure) and it seems the only logical place to put it would be the species part - it isn't a species, but there is no current place for it yet. It could be put in paranthesis and the implant stated, or if too many, then stated "see below in article". This should be standard for all articles, even Luke Skywalker's so there won't be any conflict or confusion. China 03:39, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You guys are forgetting about people who might be color blind out there. They might want to know what someones eye/hair color looks like, and maybe the cybernetics may look more like a skin?
 * What the hell are you talking about? -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 22:26, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Dude, chill out!! Malak isn't a true Cyborg. Neither is Luke. Vader is. A cyborg is someone who needs the robotics to live. As seen in a movie on KotOR, Malak doesn't need it. He can take it off. Its just, people don't wanna see a guy with his mouth missing talking to them. Darthan the destroyer 02:20, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

"Darth"
Clearly, there is an issue here. I suggest the title be changed to "Malak", with a redirect for a search entry of 'Darth Malak'. Bredd13 02:02, 12 December 2006 (UTC) I would say that because the game put enough emphasis that Malak was a fallen Jedi who wasn't a Sith Lord for all his life (same goes for Revan) we should just go ahead and take out the "Darth" Lalala la 18:34, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm curious; why is this article entiled "Darth Malak" while Darth Revan's article is entiled "Revan". (This is a rhetorical question, in case you can't tell.)
 * And now I see that this has been a topic before. In any case, the suggestion remains; even though Malak was Darth Malak and Revan was redeemed, in the lightside (canonical) ending, Malak was redeemed in the end. Also, he wasn't always Darth Malak, and should not be called so in all cases. This article deals with his whole life, not one career change. Bredd13 02:08, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Malak was not redeemed at the end of KotOR. He just died admitting his failures. And, as mentioned on the Revan talk page, the article is entitled with the last known name of the character. [[Image:DarthAbeonisSig2.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 11:30, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, we may have to have some sort of consensus discussion or vote. Because that whole "last known name" thing isn't holding very well on the Kreia/Traya talk page. -BaronGrackle 23:47, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I can see the point that Malak may not have been redeemed; however, Malak was his given name, unlike Darth Bane which was an assumed name. Malak never took on an alias. Also, Darth Malak was commonly called "Malak" even as a Sith Lord. Others were always refered to "Lord" or "Darth", with the exception of Vader (although this matter has not been settled, and the Darth Vader article at this time does not exist). Bredd13 22:43, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It doesn't really matter if Malak was his birth name as well as his Sith name, what matters is that he added the Darth to it, and died with the Darth on his name. [[Image:DarthAbeonisSig2.gif|Jasca Ducato]] Sith Council Sith Campaign 11:38, 14 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh? What is specifically the last name that said character is referred to by? Since Revan was the last to see Malak alive, and if I recall rightly Revan didn't tend to use the Darth title with his former apprentice, I would guess that the last time Malak was addressed was likely without the Darth title. Furthermore, I have every reason to believe that with or without actual redemption, Malak essentially gave up his title (and status as Sith) before he died. It seems to simply be semantics in any case. (~ SotiCoto)
 * "Also, Darth Malak was commonly called "Malak" even as a Sith Lord." This is a more common practice than you seem to believe it to be. You acknowledge the same happens to Vader but no one else, but what are our other examples? Maul... no one knows his Darth name. Tyranus... few know his Darth name (Jango has no problem eliminating the "Darth", if only to confuse Obi-Wan), and that's it. "Darth" or "Lord" is omitted when unnecessary, usually when the speaker is of greater than or equal rank to the person or when the person is not present (the Emperor always uses "Lord", of course). That's how we treat all titles; it's nothing special. If we start heading this direction, we may as well eliminate all "Darths" from article names, as we do with "Grand Moff" or "Emperor". -BaronGrackle 18:58, 21 December 2006 (UTC)


 * sigh* do you understand what you are saying? Darth Malak DIED as Darth Malak. Vader DIED as Darth Vader. Revan was brought back to the light, thereby incinerating the fact that he was a Sith. Darthan the destroyer 02:22, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup
I've gone over the Intro, Early Life and Jedi Knight sections as a part of the cleanup. I will probably move onto expanding/tidying up the Dark Lord of the Sith section tommorrow. If there are any problems with what I've done so far then give me a shout. (Ulicus 23:56, 12 December 2006 (UTC))
 * Ok, I ended up focusing on Mandalore the Ultimate instead. I'll probably come back to this later. I'm all edited out at the minute... (Ulicus 19:53, 14 December 2006 (UTC))

Gallery of pics
I think that we should create a gallery of Malak images. We have enough pictures of him to create one, so why don't we? Telos 02:48, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * They've already got one on Portuguese Star Wars Wiki: -LtNOWIS 02:58, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * But we need one for English. I can't speak Portuguese and up until now I didn't even know a Portuguese Star Wars wiki existed. Telos 03:02, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Sith
Most starwars fans agree that Darth Malak is tight. Why couldn't the sith in KOTOR2 be this tight

Because of Chuck Norris Darthan the destroyer 22:52, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

I was unaware many Star Wars fans were sexually attracted to Darth Malak. Lord Patrick 23:38, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Haha. The ally of the Greys is a comedian. Darthan the destroyer 00:09, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Death
I'm taking out the part someone put in about "Revan never truly fell blah blah blah" since it is done poorly and, as far as I know, that is not considered cannon. I'm putting back what was originally there. S W Is For Life 22:18, 24 February 2007 (UTC)

Bastila did not lead the strike team that captured Revan
She was merely part of the strike team, it is not mentioned in the game that she "led" the team that captured Revan. She was only a padawaan so it's highly unlikely she would be in charge of such an important mission. What exactly is this doing in the Darth Malak page? -Kath.Hound 05:49, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That is correct. Here is what Bastila, herself, said: "It's true that, due to my Battle Meditation, I was with the Jedi strike team that boarded Revan's ship." Karohalva 17:11, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Bah. See Talk:Jedi Civil War.– 06:16, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Figurine?
I have heard various speculation, and seen it listed on fan websites, that a Darth Malak Action figure will be released as part of the Celebration IV in wave V of the 2007 line of action figures? Does anyone know if there is any truth to this?

Yes its true theres a picture of it on my user page, and also remember to sighn your comments with four tidles.--\\Captain KickAssJedi// 18:28, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Eye Color?
If you watch the game carefully, Malak's eyes are blue, not brown. Look in the scene right after you fight Calo Nord.

Sith Lightsaber
The article says Malak's lightsaber hilt is identicle to a shoto, however a player indced glitch in the game which forces Malak to become non hostile gives you a good chance to look at his lightsaber and its actually completely unique.--\\Captain KAJ// 19:54, 5 September 2007 (UTC)