Forum:CT Archive/Tweaking the FAN/GAN pages

I initially proposed this on the next AC meeting page, but Tope suggested that it go through a full CT instead, so here it is.

I see that a lot of people edit the GAN and FAN pages by clicking the section edit links next to the vote counts rather than edit links next to the article name. This makes it difficult to see which nomination has been edited in recent changes and watchlists, as the edit summary shows the vote count rather than the article name. I propose to remove the edit links next to the vote counts by creating those headers with HTML markup rather than wikicode, like this:

(0 ACs/0 Users/0 Total)

This leaves the vote count in the TOC to provide a quick overview of the page, but makes reading watchlists and recent changes easier by forcing users to use the edit link next to the article name.

Adopt proposal

 * 1) Good idea.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:03, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) I forgot to vote for my own proposal. Duh. :P &mdash;Master Jonathan(Jedi Council Chambers) 19:04, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) If adopted, would likely also be worth expanding to other areas with vote counts, like Quote of the Day and Requests for user rights. jSarek 21:13, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4) *Actually, on those two pages, I'd just as soon replace the "Support"/"Oppose"/"Comments"–type headers with plain bolded text, as there's no need for those in the TOC in the first place since the vote count is in the primary header. (In fact, I removed them from the TOC of WP:QOTD/IU a while back with TOClimit.) &mdash;Master Jonathan(Jedi Council Chambers) 21:25, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) Sounds good.  Pranay Sobusk  ~  Talk  21:22, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6) A good idea. Jonjedigrandmaster  Jedi symbol.svg ( We seed the stars ) 21:27, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 7) Good idea.  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 21:33, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 8) Why not? Xicer9 [[Image:atgar.svg|20px]]( Combadge) 21:35, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 9) TheAinMAP 22:14, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 10)  Nayayen &mdash; TALK  22:37, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11) Definitely useful, good common sense proposal. :) Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Talk page ) 16:47, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 12) -- 1358  (Talk) 16:59, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * 13) —Tommy  9281 23:29, April 5, 2010 (UTC)

Discussion

 * As usual, no new options without discussion here first, please. &mdash;Master Jonathan(Jedi Council Chambers) 18:53, April 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * I see where you're coming from, but I recently finished by first FAN and noticed one particularly difficult part of the FAN/GAN nomination process that this proposal doesn't fix. Basically, when placing objections, or commenting about those objections after addressing them, you end up editing everyone's supports/objections/comments/etc., rather than a small subset (for example, if I'm addressing Tope's objections, the page I'm editing also includes CC's, Cylka's, Kasra's, Nayayen's, etc.)  This can sloooooooooooooooooowwwwwww down computers, especially near the end of a FAN/GAN process when there are a LOT of objections that had previously been addressed.  This idea isn't meant to fix this obviously, but kind of goes in the direction opposite to where fixing this might ever happen (removal of all edit links except the top of the FAN, as opposed to the introduction of many edit links at each user's objections).  Is there any way that this issue of massive objection pages slowing computers down might also be addressed by this? Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith  -Just shy, not antisocial: You can talk to me!- 19:59, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * There are and have been, but none of them either have gathered traction or are well-liked. &mdash; Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 21:07, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you're talking about the lag in the edit box, that's an IE issue. Switching to Firefox solves that problem (I can even edit the entire 242 KB Luke Skywalker article with no lag at all), and you'll find that it's much better and faster than IE. I downloaded Firefox last fall just to try it and never went back. Try it, I think you'll like it. &mdash;Master Jonathan(Jedi Council Chambers) 23:22, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I've often wondered if setting up the FAN and GAN pages as forums (like we've done with the Trash compactor) would be a good idea. That way, each nomination would get its own page, and it would be easy to see which had been recently updated. When a nom passes, there wouldn't need to be a copy/paste of the successful nom into a new page, just a page move and possibly a template change. I haven't given it enough thought to think of any possible downsides or decide if it was an idea worth pursuing, though. jSarek 23:33, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * That actually sounds like a much better idea to me and, aside from the benefits JSarek mentioned, it would allow me to edit the FAN page from my phone, something I can't do practically because of the page's KB size. —Tommy 9281 23:38, April 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * I haven't had any experience with them personally, but as a note, nomination sub-pages have been experimented with before on the GAN, but were eventually decided to be discontinued. Jonjedigrandmaster  Jedi symbol.svg ( We seed the stars ) 23:40, April 5, 2010 (UTC)