Talk:Clone trooper/Legends

Views of Clones
"This approach initially gave the impression that clone troopers were no better than droids; faceless soldiers, ordered to fight and die for the Republic, with no minds or lives of their own." I find that interesting. Obi-Wan's comment of "they're doing their job so we can do ours" as the clone pilots perished caught me completely off guard. --SparqMan 14:34, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I think that it's a kind of statement on the ideology of the times regarding life. In the real world, recent advances regarding bioengineering are bringing us close to the idea of "manufactured humanity". - Angel Blue 451 22:26, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Did you even look at the date? It's been months since SparqMan posted that. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:01, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, and what's the problem? Discussion could still happen. - Angel Blue 451 01:51, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It seems very useless to respond to something that was posted months ago. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:09, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps. - Angel Blue 451 21:20, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I guess it doesn't matter. On another Star Wars site, we go by that rule. I thought it might also apply here. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:22, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * In any case, it's not that important. Just thought it looked like an interesting discussion. - Angel Blue 451 21:37, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * My apologies. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:03, 20 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * None necessary. Don't worry about it. :) - Angel Blue 451 01:18, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * No problem. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:11, 21 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Major changes
I really upped the Clone trooper article, adding in a lot of stuff from insider 84. What do y'all think? -- Xilentshadow900 00:24, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Pretty good. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:30, 27 Sep 2005 (UTC)

The Quote
The quote I had: "If you sharpen a knife to its limits, you run the risk of cutting your own hand. The knife has no choice but to be as sharp as you made it."

That should be on the front page as well. It forshadows the downfall of the Jedi. Xilentshadow900 14:52, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)


 * 81.17.207.36 had removed it. Non-members editing articles because they dont think the quote should be there? I don't think that's how it should go. Xilentshadow900 14:52, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * That quote should be there, along with the one I had put up after you put this one up. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 14:53, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I fixed it. Xilentshadow900 14:54, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 14:57, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Neither of those quotations seem appropriate or interesting. --SparqMan 18:34, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, Xilentshadow's quote really should stay, because it is sort of a reference to Order 66. Otherwise, I guess the other quote could go. I'll do that now. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 18:36, 15 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Specialized Units
Shouldn't Commander Keller's Cold Assault Troopers be mentioned in that section?. Gonzalo84 23:41, 04 NOV 2005
 * Make an article about it. Xilentshadow900 12:20, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * And we can't have it as "snowtroopers". Cmdr. J. Nebulax 12:45, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Done, check out Clone Cold Assault Troopers. Gonzalo84 08_03, 05 NOV 2005
 * Moved to "Clone cold assault trooper". Cmdr. J. Nebulax 15:41, 5 Nov 2005 (UTC)



Found this photo, I'd like to know what unit/legion or whatever this clone trooper belongs to. The markings are just like those of the 91st Recon Corps but the armor has the common Phase II shape Gonzalo84 09:53, 26 NOV 2005
 * That would still be a member of the 91st Recon Corps. The armor doesn't have to look the same, it just has to have the same marking(s). Admiral J. Nebulax 15:48, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)



Again, I found another photo, is this a Heavy Weapon's Specialist?. The source - don't remember which one - identified this trooper as the gunner for some vehicle. Gonzalo84 15:27, 28 NOV 2005
 * It's the Hasbro AT-TE Tank Gunner. I'm not sure if the helmet pad and shoulder pad designates a certain legion, or are there for some other use. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:30, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)

The Prime Clone
The New Essential Chronology identifies Jango Fett as the 'Prime Clone'. Is there another source which states definitively that the Kaminoans used a clone of Jango for tissue samples and the like? I was always under the impression that Jango stayed on Kamino for that express purpose. For now, I removed the reference to a separate Prime Clone. Ywingempress 01:51, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree, I always thought Jango was the Prime Clone. -LtNOWIS 01:53, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Insider 84 specifically states that the prime clone was a clone of jango used for tissue samples.--Xilentshadow900 03:09, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I can't find that reference in the Guide to the Grand Army of the Republic article. Do you have the exact quote? -LtNOWIS 03:52, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Oops, let me go fix something. I didn't read this before changing that statement. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 16:17, 11 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Standard Clone


Is there an official name for the standard trooper's legion??--Bly1993 18:58, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Not really a legion. Just what the standard clone looks like without legion markings. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:28, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Gree's 41st Elite Legion wear this armor on Coruscant prior to leaving for Kashyyyk. During the trip they replace it with camo armor - Kwenn 21:29, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * No, they where armor with grey markings.--Bly1993 21:32, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, I think that all of the clones wear this time of armor while they're not in battle. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:31, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyway, it probably represents an "off-duty" clone trooper. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:43, 6 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * What about the ones in Star Wars: Clone Wars volume II? They fought battles.Bly1993 16:02, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * The micro-series has screwed things up before. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:00, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Or rather, as a stylized version of events, the Clone Wars cartoons do not neccessarily depict the clone troopers as definitively as other sources; what they looked like during those battles is ambiguous - Kwenn 18:22, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the cartoon has the entire Separatist Coruscant invasion force comprised of Providences. That's obviously wrong. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:23, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Not the ENTIRE. We don't see the ENTIRE Separatist Coruscant invasion force in the cartoon. --Master Starkeiller 18:26, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Every time we see CIS warships, it's always Providences, as opposed to the film, where the only one is Invisible Hand. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:27, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * My point is: Because we don't see other ships, it doesn't mean they aren't there, "off-camera". Besides, the Separatists kept coming. Between the cartoon and the film, most Providence destroyers must have been destroyed and other ships must have come. --Master Starkeiller 18:31, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * I still ask, "Why waste the Providences?" But we're getting off of the subject, so let's not talk about this. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:33, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * So, to get this back on track, I don't think it represents any legion at all. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:47, 8 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, for the Micro Series it could have been that, during the Battle of Coruscant, the "off-duty" clones could have just been forced into battle because of the current situation.

White armor
I seem to recall a reference that mentioned the white armor was a design decision by the Kaminoans, reflecting their preference towards the color seen in Tipoca City. While the psychological effect of a white force is impressive (or that they're so good they don't need camo), it seems that if Jango had his way, they'd be wearing something a little less obvious. Am I making this up? --SparqMan 18:31, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * That seems correct. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:34, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure I read in one of the Visual dictionaries, that they wear white because it's completely opposite to camoflauge. Their enemies will be able to see them long before they actual get there, and it shows that they aren't fearful of opponents. Darthvadersnewmaster 22:09, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * It's actually both. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:42, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that the Kaminoans see in ultraviolet (or something), so Tipoca city actually is more colorful to them. Anyway, that AOTC Visual Dictionary reference Darth made is correct.  Besides, Jango's outfit isn't exactly subtle either. - Angel Blue 451 22:54, 6 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, like I said before, white was chosen for two reasons. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:55, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

I think I've read it somewhere in the Thrawn books that he finds the white color for the battle of endor a very stupid and non functional idea for a forest battle. It was part of the reason why the Empire loss the battle. After reading the Thrawn books, it really explain that Darth Vador and the Emperior were really fit as army commander or general. They are more of a figure head and shoud leave the battle plans to the compotent.
 * And what does that have to do with clone troopers? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Armony anomaly
In recent issues of Star Wars Republic and the Clone Wars adventures book, we've seen some clones post-Order 66 wearing what appears to be phase 1 armor or a variant thereof. Any thoughts on this?
 * I'm sure there was Phase I armor still in use around 19 BBY. Just because they were stormtroopers then doesn't mean they needed the later stormtrooper armor. Admiral J. Nebulax 17:58, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Meh. I would scratch this off as artistic licence.--Xilentshadow900 14:05, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Not necissarily. The Clone Wars just ended, the Phase I armor would have been used for three years or so, the stormtrooper armor not out yet... It's very likely that Phase I armor was still used after the Clone Wars. Admiral J. Nebulax 14:47, 16 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Many clones were still outfitted with Phase I armor during the events of Revenge of the Sith and the events that followed. Simple as that. --AdmThrawn 03:44, 17 Jan 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, some of the regiments could have been in a situation or place where it was inconvenent{sp?] for them to recive the armor upgrade. Heck, maybe clones feel nostalgia.[sp?]

Clone picture
I think everybody will agree that the picture on the left is much better than the picture on the right. Now, Redemption. I'm not sure if you know, but it's common policy to bring up a major change such as an article's main picture. --Xilentshadow900 22:17, 6 March 2006 (UTC) Calm down guys. The current image is fine with me, but I am willing to accept a better version (providing we can come up with one). Redemption, your images are slightly blurry&mdash;did you try using less compression? RMF 00:13, 7 March 2006 (UTC) I know I'm ten days late on this, and I know I'm running a serious risk of catching a lot of heat from the regulars... but I can't help but be confused after reading the above argument. People honestly think the orange picture is blurrier than the red one? If that's the case, then whatever's wrong with Redemption's monitor has afflicted mine too... unless newer versions of both images have been uploaded, and the file histories deleted. As it stands right now, the red one looks pretty mushy and flat, while the orange has sharp edges and definition. All red's got going for it is a more dynamic action pose. SM-716 03:15, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The Geonosis one stays. It's as simple as that. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 23:04, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Works for me.--Xilentshadow900 23:06, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It works for everyone. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 23:10, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Then whats with the "who do I think I am" routine? And clearly it doesn't work for "everyone" if I felt that it could do better. Redemption 23:30, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, this is perfectly fine the way it is. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 23:31, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Combo of the two...Redemption 23:35, 6 March 2006 (UTC)[[Image:Clonegeobetter.gif|thumb|right]]
 * Let's just keep it the way it is, shall we?--Xilentshadow900 23:37, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 23:37, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * If there is an image that is better then it should be changed to that image...just because its not your image doesn't mean there can't be a better one.Redemption 23:41, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, the current one is better than both of yours. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 23:44, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * How about instead of shooting me down you actually back yourself up? The current one is blurry, the colors are disorted and its not that "clean" of a image. Redemption 23:45, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It captures the fine essence of the battle of geonosis, and show's the clones' ability to charge into action when prepared, as opposed to a picture of a crappy action figure with bad image compression.--Xilentshadow900 23:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Besides, both of your images, Redemption, are very blurry. The current one isn't. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 23:49, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Are you kidding me? The current one is definitly more blurry then either one. Besides, images aren't supposed to capture the "essence" of a character. Are we going to change another image to a crappy quality image just to capture its "essence"? Redemption 23:52, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Your computer is obviously screwed up. Your images are blurry, this current image isn't. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 23:55, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Besides, more people are in favor of the current one. You lose. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 23:55, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think you overdid it a bit there Jack...--Xilentshadow900 23:59, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe, maybe not. But it's the truth. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:01, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The one that's up is fine. And a .gif file is never a better choice. Ever. Even if it is a superior image of the subject, I cannot endorse a picture in any format other than .jpg or .png. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  00:10, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * There you go. This pointless debate is over. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:11, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * A better version? This current one is perfect. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:14, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I choose the original image. Discussion over. -- Riffsyphon1024 00:15, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Riffsyphon. Now it is truly over. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:16, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I knew I was right. Discussion is now truly over.--Xilentshadow900 00:19, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * For a second, I was worried there, Xilent. I'm glad you changed it from "not" to "now". Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:21, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * w is only two keys away from t. oops.--Xilentshadow900 00:23, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, even if you mean "not", it's still over. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I don't mean "not," I mean "now." That's what I meant. Anyway, can we pull the plug on this conversation now?--Xilentshadow900 00:27, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. The debate has been long over. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:29, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * So... is the debate over now? (Just want to make absolutely sure.) http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/4.gif &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  00:36, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes...though some of you could stand to be a bit more polite. (but thats besides the point) Redemption 00:40, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. This debate is over for good. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 01:20, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Is this debate over? --MarcK [talk] 01:22, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 01:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * If you still want that picture on the page, you really should convert it to PNG. See Wikipedia's image preparation guidelines for more info. GIF is bad. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  01:27, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's any room for it. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 01:28, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * This conversation needs to die. Like, now. That picture isn't going in, and that's the final verdict. Case closed, discussion over. --Xilentshadow900 01:55, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Flogging a dead nerf is practically a tradition around here. http://media.ign.com/boardfaces/18.gif &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  02:25, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Xilent, let's not get too carried away. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 22:06, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The orange one has some definite background distortion. The red one, while not crystal clear, is both sharper and more appropriate as pic. Let's not start this again. RMF 03:19, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Apologies. I'm definitely not trying to start anything... I just don't agree with the consensus on this one. Plus, it seemed like the argument was five on one; I thought Redemption could have used some backup. Oh well-- no big thing. I just happened across this talk page today, read the back-and-forth above, and was so confused that I couldn't refrain from voicing my opinion on the matter. But I'm done now. SM-716 03:47, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It's no problem, you are entitled to voice your opinion. And, FWIW, I also think the guys were a little hard on Redemption. But it's over now, so lets not worry about it. RMF 04:31, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, it's over, so let's not start it up. A discission was reached. and the main image stays. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 13:33, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree with SM-716 and the other poster that the orange one is a much better picture. If you're looking at the red one, you have to sort of put your head closer to the monitor to make sure you can see everything, because the upper right hand corner is very dark, and the background definitely blends in with the clonetrooper up there.  The orange one is much more clearer, and is a better shot of a Clonetrooper.  You can see his visor, armor, utility belt, and the military stance better.  it IS a clonetrooper.  While the other one may show the CT in action, the article is about clonetroopers, not necessarily clone troopers in action.--Bruce the Bith 17:28, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Enough. It's been decided already. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:50, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Clone Commander
There should be a picture of a clone commando somewhere on this page.
 * Why? There's a separate article for it. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 01:48, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

Quote
I actually kinda liked the old quote, but maybe that's just my Fandalorian side talking. In any event, what source is this quote from?--Commander Jake 00:36, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it's probably a good one, consider Kuralyov put it up. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:56, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It's from Honor Bound.  Y w i n g E m p r e s s  18:53, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:52, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Kill ratio

 * I belive the Guide to The Gar said that, six months into the war, the CTs were reporting kills of 200 or more. If somebody could check my facts, that'd be great!

P.S Is this bit of info better for the CT article or the GAR article? If it is correct, of course.
 * We could probably put it in both if it's correct. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:07, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * "Clones were undeniably superior to their battle droid enemies. Over a six-month period, even rank and file infantry clones averaged over 200 confirmed droid kills per head, and as the troops became more experienced the kill rate increased." - from the Guide to the GAR  Y w i n g E m p r e s s  17:54, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, there's our confirmation. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 18:00, 6 May 2006 (UTC)

Thank you guys!
 * No problem. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:00, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Clone troopers survival
user:cc353gohan

I believe there are some clone troopers, who have refused to perform Order 66 from Palpatine. Some clones may have turned to fight the empire, even if Palpatine had ordered them to turn against the jedi. I have no doubt whatsoever in my mind, that there was a small percentage of clone troopers, who actually decided to fight the empire. But I also believe some of them, also died. I'm hoping that a few clone troopers did survive, and besides clone trooper: Able, I hope that several clones did live to fight in the rebel alliance. There are many things about the clone troopers or the Jango Fett clones that I hope to learn and understand more about. I hope the Star wars universe articles will countinue to increase, mostly on a personality of a very good Fett clone troopers, that I'll like and enjoy the most. Good luck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 * First of all, just because you believe something does not make it true. The only reason Able didn't get Order 66 was because he was stranded on a planet. From what I read, you're speculating everything. Plus, this isn't the place to write about your opinion. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:36, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

By they troopers the didn't recive Order 66 were strand like Able or pinned down by enemy fire with other form of communication. General Nai
 * What? Also, please don't restart old topics. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:50, 31 August 2006 (UTC)

clone possiblity
user:cc353gohan

I will admit, that there's no way for me or anybody else to completely imagine or know, the kind of lives, that these clone troopers in the Star wars universe, have lived. I believe there should be more articles to explain more details on some of them, describing if some either turned against the empire, just quit, or did something else. Only one clone trooper, Able, was listed as the only Fett clone to have survived from Order 66, because he was marrooned on a distant planet. I'm also aware that a few clone commando squads, also disobeyed Order 66 ( although a few clone commandos did follow Order 66 ). What happened to some of them? Did others just die off? Did others decide to serve the empire? Were a few more Fett clones bred to fight the empire again, from a different source of cloning technology( talking about after the rebellion of Kamino, during the imperial era )? I'm hoping there will be more info on the Fett clones, and what happened to them. I don't believe there were all completely wiped out, after the clone wars, and after the rebellion of Kamino battle. If anyone disagrees with me, then fine. But I until new articles on the Fett clones come up, I'll have no choice but to stick to my actual beliefs, in believing that a few Fett clone troopers did survive, and that a few of them, ( whether they heard Order 66 or not ), did fight against the empire and: survived!!!!!!!!!!

Clone trooper indicational order 10549
user:cc353gohan

You know what really rubs me the wrong and bad way. Is that dumb Order 66 that Palpatine gave for the Fett clones to carry out. I'm glad a few of them, didn't follow it, but a large number of them, did carry out, and lots of jedi were killed. It hurts me a lot, that these Fett clones had to follow this lame Order 66. I'm pretty sure, if the clones were given an order to follow, before they were shipped off to fight for the Republic, like: Order 10549 which would tell the clones not to take any orders from anybody in the Republic ( even Palpatine ), except from the jedi, and label Republic who had turned into the Galactic Empire, as enemies with extreme predjudice ( similar to Order 66, except the jedi are controlling the clones, instead of Palpatine and the Republic ), then a lot of things would have changed. This order would have to come from a high ranking jedi master, like Master Yoda, or Mace Windu, and maybe even Obi-wan Kenobi. But none of this could have happened, because no one in that time ( even the jedi ), would have known that Palpatine was the sith lord controlling and running the Repbulic, until the ending of the clone wars in Episode 3. Still, it wouldn't hurt, if the jedi could input a few orders for the clones to follow, in case they ever found out the sith lord that was running the Republic, who was Palpatine. They did know a sith lord was influnceing the senators of the Separtists, which cause the clone wars in the first place. If the jedi managed to control the clones, all across the Galaxy, then the Empire would have trouble starting up, cause they'd have to get rid of the clone troopers that were all ordered to fight the empire, plus, Palpatine would have to order a new clone army from Kamino ( or maybe elsewhere with cloning technology ) to fight against the rebellion clones. Man, that would really start the Galactic civil war, since the jedi would still be alive, all commanding the Fett clones, in an attempt to overthrow the empire. The rebel alliance would also team up with the jedi, and then, the empire would have an enemy to fight against. However, all of this, could have been possible, if somebody ( namely a jedi ) could have to Kamino during the 10 years the Fett clones trained for the clone wars, and created an order for them, to turn against the republic, and serve the jedi, should the republic turn evil or something. I know, in one alternate reality solution, this scenario could have been possible, and a lot of lives, would have been saved during the 20 long years the Galactic empire dominated and controlled the Galaxy.
 * This isn't the place for that kind of theorizing. Try a message board - Kwenn 21:28, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

LOL what is the point of this input? Its like saying if Darth Maul wouldn't have die, he might have join up with Darth Vador and rule the galaxy! Or if Luke would have die from food poison the night before BBY and Death Star 1 wouldn't be destoryed. The Empire will rule the Galaxy! LOL
 * Please don't restart old topics. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:07, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Clone estimational rate
user:cc353gohan

You know, I really wish they were more images and information on how the Kaminoans actually cloned and grew all the Fett clones. It bothers me, that we people can't actually see more on how the clones lived, grew, and trained together, to prepare themeselves to fight in the clone wars. I hope everybody would agree, that there should be more new articles on how the Fett clones lived and what else they did on Kamino. I strongly disagree that all the Fett clones died off in the: rebellion of Kamino battle, during the imperial era. Even though the 501st legion had a legion of Fett clones, ( with a few other new recruits into their legion ), I again disagree that all the Fett clone all died off. I love and admire the way, these Fett clones fight, and do the things they do. But I didn't like it when some of them had to follow Order 66, but I still like the Fett clones, and if I were in the movies, I'd order my own clone army of Fett clones, so I'd fight against the empire, by myself, or a few others, or even the Rebel alliance, before the Galactic empire arose after the clone wars. So what if Able was the only clone trooper who's known to have survived because he was straned on an uncharted distant planet for 20 years, also not hearing Order 66. I got no doubt in my mind, that somewhere, somehow, some new article will come up, and more reports will explain what happen to these fellow good hard working Fett clones. I hope they lived, I hope their still finding ways to fight the empire, and I hope that besides Able, a few of them Fett clones, did join up with Able and decided to fight the empire. You guys can say I'm wrong, or dumb, or even stupid to believe in what I believe. I don't care. All I know is, these Fett clones are fantastic, and I hope new articles emerge on more info on these Fett clone troopers.

user:cc353gohan

Whatever this is, I believe we can all talk about how feel about these clone troopers. Whether you agree or disagree, I don't care. If you want me to be honest, I love clones. I wish we had a few even today. But we don't. I'm just like you guys, just trying to find out ways on how to clone troopers are and came to be, and if there's anything more we should know about them, and if there's more we can learn about them. If there is a message board where I can verify my theories, please direct me to it. Otherwise, I'll just keep writing. Thank you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 * Would you knock it off already? Adding " ==Headline text== " is bad enough. But Kwenn told you: This isn't the place for theorizing. There are numerous Star Wars forums on the Internet. Go find one to post your theories on. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:41, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, thanks to you, we have four sections here full of your theories. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:42, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Clone Longevity
I realize that this a nube question, but I am going to ask it anyway. If the growth of the clones was accelerated, doesn't that mean that their lifespan would be shortened drastically? Like I said, a nube question, but this is starting to bug me. --Quidon88 21:14, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but standard lifespans in Star Wars appear to be around 120 years old. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:56, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

I had no idea, where did you find this information?--Quidon88 22:03, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I personally didn't find it, but take Alpha-Ø2 as an example&mdash;he was 52 when he died in 20 ABY, but due to groth acceleration, he was really 104. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:06, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Clones and Sidious
To put it mildly, I am sick and tired of people getting rid of my little addition to the end of the clone wars paragraph. Sidious DID manipulate the war, at least sometimes. Read Jedi Trial to get some idea as to how he did it. And it's been established fifty million times that the GAR numbered around a few million, at least in the first and second years of the war, and only if the CIS had a shortage of transport ships then the clones might have had a chance. And don't tell me something like 'oh, it's irrelevant to the article' or 'it's unnecessary expansion' because it's less than ten words and anyway most articles contain bits irrelevant to the point. And just to add one more, slighltly irrelevant thing: clone armour was next to useless. It says so in Medstar II. So there. -Unit 8311 10:03, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Sidious helped a little, not a lot. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:05, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No, he helped quite a bit. Perhaps not a lot, but quite a bit, that's for sure. He gives away CIS presence on Praesetlyn, he gives away Grievous's presence on Utapau, and he does all sorts of things to prolong the war.-Unit 8311 12:19, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, but it shouldn't be in the article. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:23, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Why not? If you think that this shouldn't be in it, than something like 70% of the article shouldn't be in it.-Unit 8311 12:51, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to believe with 8311. Cutch 15:15, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * yes he did maipulate the war, but this is about the clones, not the war, yes the armor was next to useless you can write about that but the Sideous stuff can be left out Jedi Dude
 * Exactly. Sidious manipulated the Clone Wars, not the clone troopers in it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:17, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * And by manipulating the Clone Wars, he manipulated the clones.-Unit 8311 16:04, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Clone armor was described as next to useless in Medstar, but we've also seen it work pretty well against blasterfire in Jedi:Shaak Ti. -LtNOWIS 16:15, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * "And by manipulating the Clone Wars, he manipulated the clones". Yes, but that doesn't need to be in the article. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:07, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Can I put in the armour bit, then? Unit 8311 10:26, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm backing you up on that one, yes. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:13, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I as well. Cutch 14:56, 1 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Then, to AdmThrawn: Please don't remove it, especially since it's accurate. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:34, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Phase 2 armour.
Just out of curiosity, when did the clones all officially switch to phase 2 armour? -Lord vader1414 01:27, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't believe that's known. Bly and his men got it whenever Armor took place, but that doesn't mean they all got it then. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 02:22, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok then. I was just currious because in Battlefront 2, when the Imps raid Kamino, some clones wear phase 1 armor. -Lord vader1414 06:38, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, that could just have been the Kaminoans' choice. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:46, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That would make sence. Hm... thanks. -Lord vader1414 03:54, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm just guessing, of course. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:49, 27 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but it's logical. -Lord vader1414 03:53, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Maybe they ran out of Phase II armor... Still guessing. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:05, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Able is still wearing Phase I armor when found during the Civil War, so perhaps some clones stationed on backwater worlds did not recieve the upgrade either at all or at the same time as clones like Bly and Cody - Kwenn 13:09, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, there are probably two reasons: 1) Phase II armor wasn't invented yet, I believe, and 2) Perhaps he was stuck there before the armor was issued. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:11, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * According to his article, he was stranded there in 20 BBY, the same year as the Battle of Honoghr (which was at the start of that year), in which we see Phase II-suited clones - Kwenn 13:13, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Then that supports my "not everyone got it at the same time" theory. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:15, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Quote

 * I was thinking a good quote to put under the Clone Wars section of the article would be the clone troopers' rallying cry, "One man, but the right man for the job!"--Darth Oblivion 16:09, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That works. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 16:28, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Why does "the job" link to cloning. I thought "the job" referred to the war and "one man" referred to the fact that, being clones, they are basically all the same man.--Darth Oblivion 16:44, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Because the way I see it, the "one man" is Jango, and "the job" was being cloned to create the army. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 16:46, 30 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I guess we'll just go with that.--Darth Oblivion 16:49, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It can be debated, but still, I think it's good. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 16:56, 30 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've always interpreted it Darth Oblivion's way. We could just leave it unlinked. -LtNOWIS 03:34, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
 * That would work. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:58, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

Weight of armor?
Is there a source for the "40 kg" quote, because that's a *lot* of weight - heavier than medieval plate armor, excepting the heavy tourney suits. Historically, a fully equipped soldier has carried around 35 kg of combat equipment since the Roman era, including all his weapons - as weapons lightened, they just piled on other things instead. 40 kg plus weapons would be extremely heavy...--Winchester 17:38, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * They were genetically-altered soldiers. They could probably carry 40 kg of armor. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:14, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
 * exactly, they wern't just clones remember, they were modified to be stronger, have more stamina etc. They could handle the strain, it was what they were built to do. Jedi Dude 22:13, 6 August 2006 (UTC)

Image
Can somebody update the main image to be a "Phase II" trooper. It just seems that since its the more recent of the two armours it should be the one prsented. Jasca Ducato Sith Council (Sith campaign) 12:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * How about having the picture of the Phase I clones (the one with the standard, sergeant, lieutenant, captain, and commmander) at the top, and then the picture of the different types of Phase II clones right below it? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:52, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Notoriously ineffectual against "shrapnel downwash"?
What is the source for this claim? What is "shrapnel downwash"? The Visual Dictionary (AotC): "Outfitted in their extraordinary gear, clone troopers can withstand hails of deadly projectiles or explosive blasts with impunity."Vymer 15:23, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The MedStar duology. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:26, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah k, in that case I'd say they must be two different things.Vymer 09:36, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, we have contradicting sources now. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:02, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I would say shrapnel is usually more substantial a threat than projectiles from actual guns. Harder to absorb the shock-effects as well. VT-16 14:06, 28 October 2006 (UTC)
 * True. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:22, 28 October 2006 (UTC)

Clone Majors
We know that Clone Major is a real rank, but where would we insert that on the list of clone rankings if we don't know their armor color? Could we simply say "armor color unknown?"--CT-5619 helmet comlink 20:59, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's our only option, I suppose. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:00, 19 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone's added that a Major's armor coloration was light green. Anyone have a source?--CT-5619 helmet comlink 23:01, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I gotta hunch that says the color is orange or purple. I don't know why I have that hunch, but I'm just sharing it. Maybe someone'll read this and confirm that's its not just a hunch... I don't know. But this lack of major rank color is really bothering me. --LtCol. JuiceStain 22:00, 12 May 2007 (UTC)

Message for Unit 8311
That was a... novel conclusion. It bodes ill for the Wookieepedia. Very well, you may keep your reversion as I have no wish for war. Karohalva 19:55, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Unit 8311 on this. For all we know, he could have been yelling for a medic to come tend to a downed "Corpsman." - JMAS 20:21, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Time to exercise my fevered trivia collection... Corpsman was the designation of WWII American battlefield medics. Too much of the GAR is ripped from modern militaries for it to be coincidence. (Note: No advocation of counter-revision is involved in this statement. Have a good day!) Karohalva 22:18, 25 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I won't mind you putting it in unless there is a CANON SOURCE that I--and other people--can check and verify. Unit 8311 12:36, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * No matter. I am convinced but few others are. That is the way it works I guess. Karohalva 22:17, 28 April 2007 (UTC)

edit
Changed an error under paratrooper, changed low combat jumps to high altitude combat jumps--PyRo 14:24, 2 May 2007 (UTC)
 * You know you don't have to give a description of minor edits on the talk page? Just pointing that out. Unit 8311 14:26, 2 May 2007 (UTC)

Edit 2 I know you said we don't have to, but I feel that I really do. I changed name under image of the Clone commando Boss with arc trooper Ordo to say Niner instead of Boss, seeing as that image is taken from a short stroy featuring Omega Squad, and Delta Squad's nowhere in the story- not even mentioned. (See Insider Issue 81, Pg 60.) You might argue that the color of Omega Squad is black, but the short story took place before they got their matte black armor. Not to mention the fact that the story itself is called "Omega Squad: Targets". Therefore, I believe the edit should stay. --LtCol. JuiceStain 23:42, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
 * That clone commando is Boss. Niner's armor color isn't orange. User:Jack Nebulax 71.59.79.214 00:40, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No Actually that is niner. this is when they're in between the two sets of armor (silver & black) this is the upgraded version(but not the newest), rissistant to verpine rounds it even says its new in the story.....and thank u unit 8311 i didnt know :)--PyRo 13:06, 17 May 2007 (UTC)<
 * Well, then the artist screwed up badly. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 19:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, that could be it. Or maybe that was how it was before they got their black armor. One of the clones in the story is drawn with purple markings, so maybe between the armor from Republic Commando: Hard Contact and Triple Zero they had colorful, cheerful markings like Delta Squad. Of course, that's just my theory.--User: LtCol. JuiceStain 21:13, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, would you mind terribly if I changed it back? It kind of messes with my OCD a bit. --User: LtCol. JuiceStain 21:20, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:27, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks, but I just discovered something. I just looked at Niner's page to get his number, and aparently he's the purple one. Now I don't want to edit this unless I know for a fact.--LtCol. JuiceStain 19:55, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * At any rate, it's 99% positvely not Boss. --LtCol. JuiceStain 21:26, 20 May 2007 (UTC)

gold troops
they should have had gold armour.in my article metallic legion(which waz deleted 4 fanon)they had gold armor. Clonetroop125 00:45, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Stop posting nonsense. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 14:55, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * im creating a concept leave me alone