Talk:Darth Nihl

Chit chat
Sorry, but this is really rock bottom. Darth Nihl?! These Legacy Era Sith really have lame names. KEJ 21:52, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * But there are good ones now as well. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:28, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Meh, I don't think it's nearly as bad as Darth Maladi. Or Darth Stryfe. - Bub
 * Good ones? Which ones? I think all the names I've encoutered so far are the lamest. I really hope the relegate all this Legacy nosense to non-canon status. KEJ 08:23, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm actually hoping for the same thing, believe it or not. Legacy 0 mentions nothing about the Dark Nest Crisis or the Legacy of the Force series, making it seem to me like they're pulling a SuperShadow&mdash;disregarding it as canon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * "Pulling a SuperShadow"... that's gotta be the best expression ever ;-) I hope they'll relegate it. I would hate to see the SW-universe be ruined by ridiculous nonsense (the horrible memories of IG-88 taking control of the Second Death Star are still fresh in my mind). KEJ 16:16, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm glad I made up that expression, then... ;) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * "Casting aside his former personal ambitions, Nihl became a Sith..."does anyone else find that to be an oxymoron? -- SFH 21:51, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:12, 11 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought we already knew that they weren't going to reference Legacy of the Force this early in the series, so as not to spoil anything for us. Lieutenant Gerard 03:11, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Where did it say that? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I remember hearing that as well, don't remember where. Something about not wanting to "tie their hands."  But I guarantee you that they aren't going to retroactively declare it non-canon.  THey have lots of people working on continuity.  It will all work out in the end, I promise. Lonnyd 12:28, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I understand they wouldn't want to spoil LotF, but there's no mention of the Dark Nest Trilogy, which strikes me as odd. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:30, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * They're two separate storylines, and it's not common for novels to reference comics and vice versa - though obviously it does happen. In this case, both projects are independent (even the similar names were pure coincidence, with neither group knowing the other would be using the term Legacy). Jan and John have said that there might be a few references, though nothing major, so as not to spoil LotF - Kwenn 12:31, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I hope so... As I said, it sounds to me like the new Empire forms right after the Yuuzhan Vong War... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:32, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, Sikon, for putting it back. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:09, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops! A few errant key strokes. --SparqMan 19:56, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * What was "title" for, then? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:46, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

Did Nihl Lead the Massacre of Ossus?
From what we've seen it seems like Darth Nihl was the leading Sith in the Massacre of Ossus, should we note this on the article? --Sauron18 13:17, 16 June 2006
 * Judging from his lines, he's speaking for Krayt, so yes, it seems he's the "highest-ranking" Sith there - Kwenn 18:36, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * After all, he was a Hand. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:23, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait, he didn't kill Wolf, he just punched him in the stomach. I know it looks like a lightsaber stab but his lightstaff is on his other hand(not sure if it's already changed)--Sauron18 13:17, 16 June 2006
 * Wolf only lost his right arm. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:44, 16 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I juts put the comment because at the time I wrote it, someone had put "slew", and I knew it wasn't true, but my internet was crapped up for a while so when it came back I just placed the message without knowing it had been changed.

Lightsaber or Lightstaff?

 * Nihl's lightsaber is the longest lightsaber I've seen so far, staff long, its longer than half of him. Could it be considered a lightstaff, or rather just a unique saber? I'm not even sure if lightstaff is a real term but I think I heard it somewhere. --Sauron18 20:38, 16 June 2006
 * I don't think it's unique, because I believe there are many other long lightsaber hilts. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:56, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * From what we have seen the Sith does seem to prefer a bit longer lightsaber hilts than "normal", but nothing we've been shown this far is even close to this. It's about 1.5m! Charlii 19:35, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Wasn't there a very long one in one of the Old Republic era comics? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:53, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * there was a staff, just a force powered weapon, but there hasn't been a wepaon like this i don't think..Jedi Dude
 * Are you completely sure? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:36, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * There wasn't in canon as far as I'm concerned. I do remember a Jeff Carlisle artwork that had a Female With a lightsaber similar to this one

http://theforce.jaymach.com/images/Lightstaff.jpg

But she isn't in any story as far as I know, and the Old Republic ones were artistically wrong I think, because in the NEGWT they show specs of them normal size. --Sauron18 18:29, 17 June 2006
 * Oh well. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:38, 17 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Considering Darth maul's weapon. It had an extended grip (granted it was a DBL) but he still used it when fighting with a single blade. Jasca Ducato 18:31, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * True. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 18:34, 18 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It reminds me of a 16th century Halberd, but I believe one of the samurai in Kurosawa's Seven Samurai used a katana like that -effective against calvary attacks. And knowing Jan Duursema's connection with martial arts & swordfighting. . . .Tocneppil 08:21, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, now I remember -Toshiro Mifune's character wielded the long-handled sword. Swords of that type are called Nagamaki swords, meaning literally 'long wrapping' and they were popular in Japan between the 12th & 14th centuries.Tocneppil 08:50, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Interesting... Thank you for that information. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:22, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

=Merged from Talk:Darth Nihl's unique lightsaber=

Name
Canon name? -- SFH 22:44, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Lightsaber Spear/ Lightspear Sato Stars 22:53, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * How about Darth Nihl's unique lightsaber? That's more of a canon name. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:41, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea Jack, let's convert it to that or Nihl's lightsaber. Sato Stars 00:48, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The reason I picked what I said is because we've had too many people making articles on every Jedi's lightsabers. We at least have to have "unique" in it. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:49, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Good point, let's do it. Once I get a better picture of it, that'll go up too. Sato Stars 01:15, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, I've filled out Darth Nihl's unique lightsaber page. I even added a bit more to it. :) Now onto this page's fate, I leave this up to you Jack, cuz I don't kno how to delete pages. Sato Stars 01:40, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Couldn't it also just be a long handled lightsaber? I don't see why this can't be a three line element of the Darth Nihl article. --SparqMan 02:25, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You're absolutely right Sparq. There's plenty of expansion needed to his article anyway. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:12, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Doesn't Nihl also have a wrist-worn minisaber which he stabs Wolf with? Or was I just looking at the picture wrong?
 * Yeah, what is that? A wrist-saber? Some kind of hold-out blade?Tocneppil 07:08, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it's probably a small lightsaber&mdash;let me take a look again. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:02, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * There is no visible lightsaber wound on Wolf after the attack. There is also no visible blade in the frame, or any emitter on Nihl's wrist. Unless we have a confirmation from Jan or John I say we have to leave it out. Charlii 10:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Then what does he use? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:41, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * High-effect stun-gun? Force based attack? Of course I'm not saying it's imposible for it to have been a lightsaber, just that we don't have avy proof of it... Charlii 13:27, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It's definitely something that cuts. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:41, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, reading it again makes me think it's most likely a wrist-mounted blaster, but I'm far from sure. Charlii 18:26, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * "Blaster"? Don't you mean blade? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:04, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks more like a blaster shot to me too --Sauron18 18:01 02 July 2006 (CDT)
 * An energy-variant of the ol' Lanvarok, perhaps? It is on his left wrist.Tocneppil 00:02, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I've examined that image of Wolf loosing his arm over and over, and there's no way it's a blaster. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:35, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * We're not talking about when he lost his arm, that was done by his abnormally long lightsaber. We're talking about when he was struck in the chest (right after), which was with a wrist mounted blaster.


 * Here is a close picture of the wrist blaster:


 * http://img154.imageshack.us/img154/1084/nihlblas4mg.jpg


 * If you analyze it, it looks more like Duursema-Blaster shots, and the way Nihl uses it makes it seem like a blaster. --Sauron18 20:54 03 July 2006 (CDT)


 * Oh. It kind of seems like it's a B2 super battle droid arm firing, but I know it isn't. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:59, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, you would be the expert there -having 'firsthand' experience :DTocneppil 03:32, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, I really didn't mean that to connect to my "character". Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:48, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

"Lanvarok Style"?
This is really just speculation. Is there a reason why it couldn't just be something like this? --Sauron18 22:50, 8 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Either way, all we've got is speculation. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 03:47, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed, it is speculation -but the Lanvarok article does have an illustration that looks similar to what Nihil is wearing, with some esthetic differences. But the point made in that article of Sith Lanvarok's being on the left wrist is what tipped me off. And why just give a character a wrist-blaster when something like this is better suited to their background.Tocneppil 09:36, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * All the article says is that his weapon is simlar to a lanvarok, not that it is one. That much is true, and being that he is a sith, it's justified in my mind. Lonnyd 10:02, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Well put. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:47, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Except the actual thing emitted has nothing to do with a lanvarok, you need the little disk, and Nihl's thing is just shooting something. Lanvarok Style would imply the disk, which is not there. --Sauron18 18:33, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * i agree with Sauron, its not a Lanvarok because the whole point is that a lan shoots solid objects, discs etc not blaster bolts. im guessing its more a wrist blaster kind of weapon. but we can't keep speculation until we know more its proberly best to leave things. Jedi Dude 18:36, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree as well, I was using the term only as a descriptive & referring to the launcher -I hadn't thought that Lanvarok might be the name of the discs launched from it (I had thought it was funny that Lanvaroks evolved from axelike melee weapons to wrist-launchers when I first read the Star Wars Insider article). And I'm leery about calling it a Lanvarok when it shoots(?) energy beams -hence Lanvarok 'style'. I think real blades are more in keeping with Nagai characters.Tocneppil 20:21, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * For God's sake, it's Lanvarok-style!! Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:16, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Really, there is nothing specifically "Lanvaroky" about it, particular when the lanvarok's main attribute (and only) is shooting a disk, the gauntlet is not a specific part of the design, as seen in the Massassi Lanvarok. --Sauron18 21:55, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Didn't Sith use Lanvaroks, though? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:58, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * its not Lanvarok-style at all, that would involve discs. its a wrist gauntlet nuthin to do with lanvaroks at all. yes they may have done but this is a blaster, well it looks like one Jedi Dude 22:00, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * And how do we know that there can't be a modified Lanvarok using a blaster instead? I'll remove it, though. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:01, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, what makes something a Lanvarok is the disk mechanism, not what it's on:


 * http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/9574/lanva0mv.jpg


 * As evidence by the two types of Lanvarok we've seen and the only thing they have in common --Sauron18 22:06, 9 July 2006 (UTC)


 * beacuse Lanvaroks don't use blasters, they use solids, like discs. Jedi Dude 22:31, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * But couldn't someone just remove the disc launcher and replace it with a blaster? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:17, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Then it wouldn't be a lanvarok, it would be wrist mounted blaster ;) --Sauron18 00:27, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:35, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * (shrugging)And a rose by any other name . . .I guess saying it's a Lanvarok-style wrist-blaster is just as bad as saying Cade wears Vader-style pants. Or trying to come up with a specific name for what is probably nothing more than a long-handled lightsaber .Tocneppil 07:36, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Cade does wear Vader-style pants. ;) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:06, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Fight with Cade
Cade goes after him in Legacy #7. Sweet! If you read the preview the look on Nihls' face is pricless!
 * Please keep all opinions and unnecessary comments of off talk pages. Wookieepedia is not a forum. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:34, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * While labels like 'Discussion' and 'Talk' imply conversation in their title, we have chat pages for those who may want to have an actual (albeit online) conversation.Tocneppil 23:36, 26 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I assume you mean the IRC. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 03:14, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but I wanted to make sure that the person who left the above comment knew the proper place for 'chatting' as opposed to here on this 'talk' page (although if he'd posted a link to the subject he was referring to, maybe his statement would have had more relevance). I wasn't sure if that person was new or what, and didn't want to muddle the issue further with a term he/she might not have been familier with -and 'chat' is right over there in the navigation box, so it probably influenced my thinking at the time.Tocneppil 08:50, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Even with a link, it still wouldn't be much of a discussion. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 15:14, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

One of the First?
Should we mention that he could very well be one of the first Sith of the Order? I know it seems like a baseless thing, but there's actually some stuff in the sources which imply (at least to me) that he is. On the insider magazine (which was the most detailed source for Nihl), it says he used to be a Warlord in the Unknown Region, who was recruited by Krayt himself to join his "fledgeling" order.

Now, Krayt's order hasn't been "fledgeling" for a long time, so if he wasn't one of the first then it's at least safe to say he's one of the oldest....--Sauron18 03:10, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * For all we know, all of the Sith were recruited at the same time. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 03:58, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, not really, we do have a little more insight into how they were placed into the order. We know there have been 3 Sith generations, the third of which is Talon's. The fact that there's 3 generations of Sith also means they marry between themeselves and breed, at least some of them.


 * There's also bound to be other Sith who've recently been brought into the Order, but Nihl doesn't seem like a recent addition, and for Krayt to leave Korriban in the last few years before "Broken" to recruit a new Sith doesn't seem to make too much sense.... I dunno, it certainly seems to me like that may be the case, the different sources seem to indicate it.--Sauron18 05:04, 14 January 2007 (UTC)


 * But we still don't know how many Sith came before Nihl in Krayt's order. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:55, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I know, but I meant more as in what generation of Sith he was, rather than how many came before him. I'm just wondering if anyone else feels he's one of the First Generation Sith? --Sauron18 18:42, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it also depends on who was considering it "fledgeling" at the time. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 18:50, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, if I get anymore info on this I shall post it here.--Sauron18 18:53, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Great. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 18:54, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Image
Would this be a good picture for the article? Telos 02:14, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * As a complementary picture yes, but not as a main one. --Sauron18 06:59, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It seems a little dark, particularly the background.Tocneppil 07:40, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:49, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I can lighten it a little in answer to Tocneppil's question. Telos 21:12, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Found a larger, hopefully clearer version - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:18, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's good. Thanks Kwenn! Telos 21:20, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Uh... where are we going to put the image? Telos 21:20, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe if it replaces the first of the "massacre of Ossus" pics. They're both pretty much the same, and I think the last one looks better, so perhaps replacing the first of the complementary pics with this one would look better. --Sauron18 21:42, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 00:32, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Cool. I'll do it now! Telos 08:25, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Wait; don't remove any pictures. Just add this one in. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 15:04, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm confused. Sauron, by "the first of the 'massacre of Ossus' pics", which one did you mean? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 15:05, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The one with the subtitle "Darth Nihl wielding his unique lightsaber cane on Ossus.". It just seems to similar to the last one, but I really don't care which of those 2 goes (if they have to), though they do look quite similar. Maybe we can just add the pic and leave everything else there. --Sauron18 01:00, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Because I'm starting to have thoughts about making this one the main image. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 01:16, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I strongly oppose that. I believe the current main image is one of Nihl's best angles and looks, as well as very good quality. --Sauron18 03:41, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * What about the fact that Nihl doesn't look like that in all other images? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 12:14, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Nihl looks different everywhere, but he looks more like his character there. I like how it currently is. --Sauron18 21:47, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I smell a vote. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:50, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I kinda' agree with Sauron18, it shouldn't be the main pic but it looks good in the article. Telos 00:37, 11 February 2007 (UTC)