Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Grappa (Rodian)


 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a featured article nomination that was unsuccessful. Please do not modify it.

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Human
Support
 * 1) Darthchristian   ( Hey! ) 7:50, 25 March 2007 (UTC)

Oppose '''Objection overridden by Inquisitorius - Inq:Human 13:35, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Doesn't cite sources. -- http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/e5/ATATatarismall.png 15:21, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * As per Imp. .  .  .  .  21:11, 25 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Ditto (Rule 11) 15:39, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * This is basically a citation problem, but I am disturbed by the "racial and ethnic characteristics" section. It needs to go unless it can be written in a properly cited in-universe style.  - breathesgelatin Talk 05:43, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * And some MOS ignorising. .  .  .  .  23:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Humans suck. Jwebb13 HoloNet[[Image:oldsith.jpg|30px]] 00:27, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Comments
 * Question: Should Bts include a note about how we decided to change the capitalization of Human for consistency, etc? 15:39, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps so. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:04, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I made a note of it. Chack Jadson 01:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Someone has sourced it, somewhat. However, it probably could use a bit more detail; I didn't have time to read the entire article. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 02:20, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Atton Rand
Support Oppose --Eyrezer 03:51, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) - Solus (Bird of Prey)  18:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 2)  Sarendipity  Talk [[Image:Atrissig.jpg|20px]] 19:06, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) KEJ 08:35, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) .  .  .  .  23:55, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Alright, but that "game completion scenario" is ugly. Chack Jadson 00:39, 20 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) Atarumaster88  21:14, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 7)  Stake black   msg 19:41, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 8) Greyman ( Paratus ) 03:55, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 9) Qjuad 00:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Qjuad 00:45, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see this article reference specific conversations or events in KOTOR II. &mdash; http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/e5/ATATatarismall.png 18:48, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, that shouldn't be hard. I'll get to it. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  18:55, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * See Jedi Exile for a good example of KOTOR referencing. -- http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/e5/ATATatarismall.png 19:29, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Finished. I hope I didn't go overboard. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  20:10, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Intro fairly short. Cull Tremayne 00:41, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Intro expanded. Does this suffice?
 * Yes, sorry about being slow on the uptake. Cull Tremayne 12:41, 6 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that another image, preferably one from the game, would look better in the infobox.-- Doquis (HoloConference)[[Image:Czerka Logo.JPG|30px]] 12:24, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I am unable to capture (high-quality or otherwise) a screenshot. So I can't really do anything about that. I am not partial to the other head-shoulder shot in the article... but if I have no other choice I'll do it. Best thing to do is to just wait and see if JMAS or Redemption see this. - Solus  (Bird of Prey)  19:38, 1 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The current one is promotional, crisp and nice. I see no reason to change it. It's fine. Though if you absolutely MUST change the infobox, change it to that headshot thats in the article by doing a quick switch-a-roo. Though put a vote on the talk page first just to see what everyone else thinks. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 00:55, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The sourcing style isn't consistent. .  .  .  .  23:50, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * What does that mean? - Solus (Bird of Prey)  23:51, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * ...with other sourced articles. I thought we decided not to specify moments in the game. Therefore, every KOTOR II source should just be attributed to KOTOR II. .  .  .  .  04:40, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * So that was decided against, then? - Sarendipity  Talk [[Image:Atrissig.jpg|20px]] 06:42, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * May I be told which one's been formally decided upon? - Solus (Bird of Prey)  20:43, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Okay, I've done as was requested, so uh, could 4dot and Imp see if they can cross out their oppose votes? - Solus (Bird of Prey)  13:33, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Factual error in intro: "However, she eventually freed him from his past, and he went on to train other Jedi in the years ahead." To the best of my knowledge, this is an assumption. -- Imp http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/e5/ATATatarismall.png 18:43, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * This is speculation expounding upon what Kreia said about him, and has been removed. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  18:52, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Can I get some clarificatoins in the text?
 * The intro contains info that needs to be put into the biography, such as his Echani training.
 * In the 3rd paragraph of the bio, it is unclear whether Atton actually killed the Jedi woman. It jumps straight to his later comments.
 * Secondly, I think the appearance of Kreia on Peragus needs some more context. **Also, if some information can be added to "when that mess was cleared up" to detail how they got out.
 * The article jumps straight into the Exile wanting to find out why she was banished without having previously mentioning she had been banished or that she'd lost the Force.
 * I also think some of the he was thinking highly of her etc needs to be changed. The developing attraction to the Exile should be more explicit.
 * The encounter with Michal needs to be in the main text also.
 * What other key worlds did the group then travel to?
 * In the final line of the biography, "Atton and the other" is awkward.
 * Can the BTS be changed to paragraphs?

Comments
 * I did a general overhaul of the article not long ago, and the only thing (that I know of) that needs to be cleared up is the canonicity of some of the Kotor II sidequests, which will be brought up in the next Inq meeting, so I can't do anything about that until then. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  18:45, 31 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It was decided that we should be as vague as possible when writing about optional content. -- http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/e5/ATATatarismall.png 21:04, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh. I didn't know that that entailed un-detailed game referencing stuff. I'll go resource it. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  22:07, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  22:18, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Uh, is it possible to say this is an early entry for the Wookiee-Cast thingy and that I forsaw it the whole time ? For 4dot especially and for anyone else that has eyes maybe: see note under the 'Cannok' nom. - Solus (Bird of Prey)  22:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * What else needs to be done here, as nothing has happened to this nom for several days. Imp's objection, in leiu of the new rule-thing, is moot, and would someone either back up, comment on, or strike Shaelas's objection? At the moment, nothing's really happening here.- Solus (Bird of Prey)  22:34, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Lightsaber
Support Objections **Redlinks indeed.  Stake black   msg 22:45, 12 April 2007 (UTC) No redlinks   Stake black   msg 16:29, 25 April 2007 (UTC) Comments
 * 1) Siteoftupac 19:59, 2 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Redeemer 02:09, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Needs citations. .  .  .  .  00:02, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Present tense- Follow MOS. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 06:03, 4 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Redlinks. Better sectioning needed. -- Darthchristian  ( Hey! ) 18:39, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The entire article is one big list. -- Imp http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/e5/ATATatarismall.png 18:44, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Needs to be written as an article, not a list. The gallery of blade colors is irrelevant.  It should be cut down to a paragraph or so explanation of colors in canon and the EU.  Son of Nils Talk 01:51, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, it's a mess. Chack Jadson 18:48, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Kind of messy. Needs more details on the crystals in the sabers. MasterLegend 23:20, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Doesn't meet rule 12...a number of the quotes are not sourced. Greyman ( Paratus ) 23:33, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

Tavion Axmis
Support Oppose Comments
 * 1) Darthchristian   ( Hey! ) 10:11, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) Themelle444 18:22, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Kylekatarn 09:30, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's an easy fix, but POVity POV POV POV. .  .  .  .  21:07, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Where?-- Darthchristian  ( Hey! ) 22:21, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * "Overconfident", "Deadly", "Swift", "Devious"... .  .  .  .  22:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I was able to address the ones you listed above, except for overconfidence. From both sides, it was clearly obvious that she was overconfident. I made it sound more neutral, and it was the best I could do. -- Darthchristian  ( Hey! ) 3:34, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Mmkay, I've made some changes, but the prose is in need of a lot of work. A lot of sharp, short sentences that don't flow well. .  .  .  .  03:59, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Looks better now. I'll work on the sentences.-- Darthchristian  ( Hey! ) 4:11, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The sentences are longer and I made sure they flowed better. Is it better now?-- Darthchristian  ( Hey! ) 4:36, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Enough for me to strike my opposition. .  .  .  .  00:56, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Remove the bullets in the BtS, thanks. QuentinGeorge 08:41, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed.-- Darthchristian  ( Hey! ) 15:12, 13 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Present tense needs corrected. Atarumaster88  21:20, 21 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Needs a general copyedit. Atarumaster88  21:21, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

Grappa (Rodian)
Support Oppose
 * 1) http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/e5/ATATatarismall.png 21:17, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) .  .  .  .  21:23, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Cull Tremayne 23:07, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 04:29, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Grappa had maybe one or two paragraphs of page time. The vast majority of this article is hypothetical extrapolations and discussions about other events.Kuralyov 16:10, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Could you provide any examples? -- Imp http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/e5/ATATatarismall.png 23:31, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Personally, I think that the only part that strays directly from Grappa is the description of the Jade Sabers intent. But then, that's needed to provide context to Grappa's actions, so it's kosher. .  .  .  .  23:48, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * 1) Less than 1000 words. Green Tentacle (Talk) 14:59, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Comments

'''Approved by Inquisitorius - Inq:Grappa (Rodian) 02:17, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Any objections to the lack of images will be stricken. There aren't any. -- http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/e5/ATATatarismall.png 21:20, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I want "tapir" to be un-redlinked. :-P Cull Tremayne 23:08, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Taken care of. -- Imp http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/e/e5/ATATatarismall.png 03:33, 9 April 2007 (UTC)