Talk:Ahsoka Tano

Confused
Ahsoka is from The Clone Wars cartoon, all of that is Canon right? why is everything about her from the Clone Wars carton listed under Legends? Chasemarc (talk) 23:24, October 8, 2014 (UTC) Resetting indent. That's not how we've decided to do things. Just something because something is canon doesn't mean that wasn't also part of the Expanded Universe at the time. You couldn't tell the story of the Expanded Universe without the bedrock of the films, etc. That's why for the purposes of such listings, we consider them both "canon" and "Legends." It can be a little confusing at first, but I think on the whole it makes sense once you wrap your head around it. ProfessorTofty (talk) 00:24, November 15, 2014 (UTC) (resent indent) It's not a silly argument at all. Having duplicate content is bad for Search Engine Optimization (SEO). If we have two articles that are largely word-for-word the same, then both of those articles will be weighed less in search engine results. It will make the pages harder for people to find. I hope that clears things up. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 00:01, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
 * TCW is actually both canon and Legends. If it wasn't part of both, the Legends article would have huge continuity holes everywhere. Everything produced prior to April 25, 2014, is Legends as well. 1358  (Talk)  23:28, October 8, 2014 (UTC)
 * That doesn't mean we can't have all of the info from her Legends article in her Canon article. From what I understand, Ahsoka's Canon and Legends articles should be identical. 161.130.188.98 22:27, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * Any Legends info will have to stay in the Legends page. Only information from her canonical appearances can be in the Canon page. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 22:33, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * So is only TCW content released after April 25 canon then? Because I'm pretty sure that would only include Son of Dathomir, which wouldn't make sense because that's a continuation of content released before April 25. The way I understand the new canon policy, all of TCW is canon, which would make all of Ahsoka's appearances throughout the entire series canon.  Canon and legends are not mutually exclusive.  Legends is presumed to be non-canon until the Story Group affirmatively says it is canon.  They've affirmatively said that TCW is canon.  Which would mean that Ahsoka's canon article would be virtually identical to her legends article, because the story group has said that everything that happened to her in that series is canon.167.160.128.246 23:49, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * The series and the movie are canon. The Legends page, however, also includes non-canon appearances, so it would not be identical. So yes, most of her appearances from before April 25th are canon, but not all. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 23:53, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * All of the show's supplementary material (comics, reference books, young readers) is Legends, which is most of the names and specific details comes from in addition to supplementary events not featured in the TV series. Very few of the ships, planets, locations, people, etc. in TCW are named in NuCanon. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  23:55, October 27, 2014 (UTC)
 * That's still about 90% of her legends article that's canon though. Her canon article should go into just as much detail about those events as her legends article does.  It's just a simple matter of copy-pasting that material in.167.160.128.246 00:05, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * We don't copy and paste. Each new Canon page needs to be written as a unique page, rather than a carbon copy of the Legends page. We will, at some point, get to making a much more comprehensive Canon page about Ahsoka. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 00:08, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * If you say so, but there's really nothing wrong with having identical articles if the info they're covering is identical is there? I think most professional encyclopedias would prefer it that way...167.160.128.246 00:14, October 28, 2014 (UTC)
 * This makes no sense. Legends should be just the non-canon material.  The rest is canon and should be only on that page, as it is not Legends.  The Canon page should have the correct material, with any additional supplemental Legends material being on the Legends page. So almost all of Ahsoka's material should only be on the Canon page. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 23:34, November 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * The problem is that without that Canon information, the Legends information wouldn't make any sense. It's needed in order to have a page that people can actually understand, because that Legends information is based around the Canon info. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 23:52, November 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * I would think that in those instances it would just refer back to the Canon page as necessary. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 23:54, November 14, 2014 (UTC)
 * It makes it look like the rest is *not* canon. The main focus should be on canon. "Legends" is supposed to be that which is not canon. But since I'm sure you've already all discussed this at great length and detail somewhere on this wiki, it doesn't need discussed again, especially not here. Just throwing an opinion from a user out there....I'll shut up and go away now....Thanks... - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 01:00, November 16, 2014 (UTC)
 * This is still bugging me. I look at the canon page, and nearly everything canon is missing.  People coming here looking for canon information won't know that most of the stuff on the legends page is canon.  It makes no sense to not have the canon content on the canon page.  Focus should be on the canon page. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 17:47, March 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * Feel free to write the canon info! It's not like it's never going to be there. Not at all. It just means it hasn't been written yet. Remember, before the Canon/Legends split, some of these major pages took years to write. It's unrealistic to assume everything is going to be just as good in the Canon pages less than a year after the Canon pages were created. So if you'd like to see more information, feel free to contribute it. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 17:51, March 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * I mean it feels like most of the legends content should just be moved over to canon, where it belongs. - RaptorWiki (Ryan) 19:03, March 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * This is ridiculous. I think you guys should recognize that the system you have in place is driving all of us users crazy. It makes no sense to have the majority of the information be in the legends article, ESPECIALLY IF IT IS CANON! The focus here should be on the canon article!! Why would you completely re write the article for canon when the information in the Legends article is perfect? "We don't copy paste" is a silly argument. This is so simple, I'm not sure how you don't see it. Either make both articles nearly identical (get rid of the non canon stuff for the canon article), or have the canon article be the page with all of the information. "Well then the legends page wouldn't make sense" is not a valid argument. As it stands, THE CANON ARTICLE HARDLY MAKES SENSE BECAUSE IT IS MISSING ALL OF THE CANON INFORMATION!!!!!!!!!!!

Image
I have an image I'd like to add but since I'm new to the wiki I can't upload it here. Here's an link to the image http://a.pomf.se/rwglkg.png GrandmasteroftheArchives (talk) 07:25, March 3, 2015 (UTC) The newest Rebels Recon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xggYEpemcck GrandmasteroftheArchives (talk) 07:41, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * What's the source? Once I know that, I can upload it for you. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 07:33, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * Correct, though I meant where you found that specific image. It's very high quality and looks like it was from some sort of press release/news story. Can you link me to where you got it from? - Brandon Rhea (talk) 07:52, March 3, 2015 (UTC)
 * I made it myself by combining the two images from the video GrandmasteroftheArchives (talk) 13:35, March 3, 2015 (UTC)

Legacy section
What exactly should we do with the legacy section? Everything in that section takes place before Rebels, when Ahsoka reappears, so should we just change the title and move it back before the Rebels sections? Cevan (talk) 00:03, March 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * I think I was the one who wrote most, if not all of it. I'll tackle it myself a bit later today, determine what to do with it. Hang tight. ProfessorTofty (talk) 18:21, March 4, 2015 (UTC)
 * Hey Tofty, just checking in to see if you've any ideas as to what to do with the Legacy section yet. Cevan (talk) 23:46, March 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * Yeah, sorry, I do, I just got distracted from it. I'll take care of it later this evening. I'll keep this page open in a tab on the browser so I don't forget. ProfessorTofty (talk) 23:58, March 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * No worries, I just figured I'd check back up and see how it was going. Cevan (talk) 00:14, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * It's done. Let me know what you think, or feel free to make any changes you feel are necessary. I didn't see any reason to purge it or move it. Everything it says is still true. I just added info about Rebels. ProfessorTofty (talk) 05:48, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * I removed a bit from the end of your Legacy updates, as it was highly speculative. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 05:49, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * Fair enough. I've added back something, though, I feel speaks to that point but doesn't contain anything that could be considered speculative. ProfessorTofty (talk) 05:54, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * What you just added looks fine, since the re-added information - Vader being a key figure etc - is now used in an entirely different (and non-speculative) context. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 05:57, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

"Resigned" ?
This is probably being technical, but shouldn't the infobox under affiliations say "Jedi Order (expelled)" ? That would be more accurate considering that refusing an offer to join the Jedi is not the same as resigning. Count Dooku for example did resign from the Order, he left of his own free will. That is not the case with Tano. --Petiflo (talk) 02:38, March 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * The Jedi Council offered to reinstate her and the episode makes it sound that she would rise to the rank of Jedi knight but Ahsoka chose to leave instead. Here is a link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anck-AqrZ24 --CookieCrumb 21:19, March 7, 2015 (UTC)
 * I watched the episode and I remember it very well. She did not choose to leave, she chose not to come back which is different. The Council made it (painfully) clear she was not a Jedi anymore, and you cannot leave a group you are not a part of. In that regard, every occurrence of the article (not just the infobox) stating she "left the order" is incorrect. Whether or not she would have been made a Knight (which is only speculation) makes no difference : the reason she wasn't a Jedi anymore in the first place was because the Council kicked her out. --Petiflo (talk) 05:35, March 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree with your objection and I changed it to read "Expelled (Refused offer of readmission)." ProfessorTofty (talk) 05:48, March 9, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thank you. It would be nice if the page could be edited though, there are a couple of tiny changes I would made, mostly rewordings, but I can't. --Petiflo (talk) 12:09, March 11, 2015 (UTC)

Lothal rebels affiliation
Should we remove the Lothal rebels from Ahsoka's infobox under the affiliations section? Ahsoka, as "Fulcrum," seems to be in contact with numerous rebel cells, not just the Lothal rebels in particular. From the season 2 concept art it appears she'll be with Phoenix Squadron at some point as well. I believe we should remove the Lothal rebels from her affiliations, as the only reason it was there was because Rebels is focused on the Ghost crew, so we didn't see other rebel cells in contact with her. Rebel network encompasses all the cells, including the Lothal rebels, so we can just leave it at that and take the Lothal rebels out. Cevan (talk) 23:46, March 8, 2015 (UTC)
 * Since it says "Rebel network," which includes the Lothal rebels by definition, I removed the specific reference to them as redundant. ProfessorTofty (talk) 05:48, March 9, 2015 (UTC)

How did Ahsoka get the two blue sabers? 64.235.154.85 18:29, March 19, 2015 (UTC)
 * They are white, actually. It may be discussed in season two. Her armour is supposed to be reminiscent of samurai armour. One of her sabers hilts is also long and curved, looking very much like the handle of a katana. Mondoblasto (talk) 18:39, March 19, 2015 (UTC)

Lightsabers
I may have missed something, but I didn't find specific clarification about her lightsabers. Her shoto is mentioned and there are some pictures that show her with lightsabers, but I didn't find specification what lightsabers she posessed at what time, and why her equipment changed. Granted, that may be minor information, but since Ahsoka Tano firstly had some unique weapons (shoto, yellow-green blade, later curved hilts and white blades) and secondly changed them relatively often, adding that information might be worth considering. --Desercitus (talk) 18:22, April 9, 2015 (UTC)

"ready and worthy of being promoted to Jedi Knight." ??
In my opinion, stating "you've shown the mark of a true Jedi Knight" is not the same as saying "you're ready to become a Jedi Knight", so saying she was going to be promoted to a Knight after going back to the order is only speculation and as such, should not be in the article. --Petiflo (talk) 11:46, May 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Don't the admins ever read this page?--Petiflo (talk) 17:29, June 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * The admins are not responsible for responding to comments on mainspace talk page; any user is capable of doing so. Per WP:BOLD, you are welcome to change the information in the article to accurately reflect the source material.  CC7567  (talk) 17:32, June 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * The last time I tried to change something ont he page the system told me I couldn't because only registered users could.--Petiflo (talk) 10:31, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * From Ultimate Star Wars pg.63, Ahsoka Walks Away: "When the Jedi Council admits its mistake and proposes reinstatement with a promotion to Jedi Knight, Ahsoka refuses the offer." Hopefully this clarifies things. -  AV-6R7 Crew Pit 17:36, June 29, 2015 (UTC)
 * Well that book is wrong then, because they do not give her a promotion. That's not even a matter of point of view, it's what they say. --Petiflo (talk) 10:31, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * The episode implies it. The Council says that her strength and resilience during her struggle is "the true sign of a Jedi Knight" and that it was her "great trial." The book simply solidifies what the Council was getting at. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 14:24, June 30, 2015 (UTC)
 * Just because they say it was her great trial, doesn't mean it really was ; it sounds a lot more like the Council's trying to cover their ass. But if the book says it was a promotion then I suppose we have to go along with it. Maybe you guys could add that book as a source to that statement since all it has to far is the episode, which is more than ambiguous on this point.--Petiflo (talk) 14:41, June 30, 2015 (UTC)

Expansion
Should we try to give a more detailed history of her life in the Clone Wars? I am aware that we cannot copy and paste the things from the Legends page but shouldn't we try to recount the events in that show with the same detail? I think we should so that new Rebels viewers who didn't watch Clone Wars could see more details of her life without having to navigate the complicated Legends V. Canon debacle. I intend to write a detailed history of her Clone Wars career on her canon page starting Monday July 20. I plan to do everything from Christophsis to her expulsion. If anyone has any objections or wants to help I am willing to cooperat.--DEMOLISHER11 (talk) 01:25, July 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * You're welcome to do so! Please be sure, however, that any additions adhere to all of the site's current policies, as well as proper English spelling and grammar. If you're looking for help with wiki coding and editing, please see Help:Contents.  CC7567  (talk) 01:28, July 14, 2015 (UTC)

Shili
How do we know for sure that in the new canon, Ahsoka comes from Shili. How do we know that she doesn't come from Kiros or any other planet inhabited by Togruta? --Kyle03 (talk) 09:04, August 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ultimate Star Wars, which is cited as a source for that information, explicitly states that her homeworld was Shili.  CC7567  (talk) 09:10, August 20, 2015 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks. I just wanted to be sure. --Kyle03 (talk) 20:47, September 11, 2015 (UTC)

Adult height
Since apparently I haven't reached the threshold to be able to edit this page yet; Ahsoka's adult height is listed as 1.88 meters in Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know.--WilkZnika (talk) 09:04, October 14, 2015 (UTC)
 * I don't know about her adult height, since I haven't seen Rebels yet (feels like a lot, but maybe it's normal for Togruta women to grow to be so tall?), but the adolescent height of 1.70 meters seems definitely wrong, just by judging on the way she appears on screen next to people who aren't all over 2.00 meters tall. Teen Ahsoka was definitely petite, more like 1.55 or something, 1.60 tops even taking into account the stylization. Kumagoro-42 (talk) 00:52, March 14, 2016 (UTC)

Rebels Magazine Appearance
Apparently I haven't reached the threshold to be able to edit this page yet, but can someone please add between "Battle to the End" and "Star Wars Rebels: The Siege of Lothal" in the appearances list? --AnilSerifoglu (talk) 16:41, February 15, 2016 (UTC)
 * Also the term "shoto" has become canon, if someone could replace a "shorter-blade emitted lightsaber" with "shoto-style lightsaber", that would be nice. --AnilSerifoglu (talk) 16:46, February 15, 2016 (UTC)

So, after that explosion, so we assume she's dead or can we assume she may yet live? Your Friendly Neighborhood Sharptooth (LAT) (talk) 02:04, March 31, 2016 (UTC)