Talk:New Sith Order

"Little is known about this new threat save that it first made itself known via an attack on the Jedi Temple and a threat to the Emperor.". Smells like fanon to me. (Well more like SuperStupid to be honest). ANyone provide a source? Jasca Ducato 16:57, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Publisher's summary, Star Wars: Legacy 1, plus some leaked pages that appear to show an attack on the Jedi Temple. Yrfeloran 17:05, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Where are these leaked pages? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:35, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'd like to see those. :) VT-16 17:14, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Please no fanon, please... Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:05, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No colors or dialogue/ text boxes, just art, and they're not consecutive pages but a sampling throughout the comic. They look legit, and a comment from Jan in regards to criticism on a design point leads me to believe they're real. The feature seems to have been pulled from the archive at Silver Bullet Comics (where they were first posted), (presumably DHC being Not Happy about the leak). The pictures are those starting with "swleg1" here Yrfeloran 21:57, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow. If this is truly what is going to be in it, I can't wait for the whole series. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 23:12, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmmm. I'm still not convinced about this series as a whole, and Jan's art never appealed to me, but there are some interesting aspects of the Sith designs. Their clothing remind me more of the ancient Sith from Naga Sadow's era. If they truly are decendants of Lumiya's teachings, that would make sense, since she studied Dark Side teachings on Ziost, home of the ancient Sith Empire. VT-16 00:02, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the one thing I find strange is that they're still using the standard stormtrooper armor. That doesn't seem right. They should have invented new stormtrooper armor by then. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 01:06, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Ever heard the old saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it?" Whatever Emperor's in charge has heard it. :) But, of course, there COULD be new armor, and these stormtroopers are just wearing the old standard for whatever reason. I guess we'll find out when they release the comic. Demented Smiloid 01:35, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, I find it hard to believe. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 01:56, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, the stormtrooper armor being exactly the same is a little bit awkward. I guess they didn't feel the need to change things around. One thing, though: isn't the new Empire supposed to be more "benevolent" in that time? I remember reading something about that. Then why do they fight with those Sith? Hmmm... maybe they took over the Empire or something... (Wonder if we'll see some familiar ships still being used at this time, the Dreadnaught-class lasted well over a 150 years at least. VT-16 08:41, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Please, another Eclipse-class Star Dreadnought... Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:33, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hahaha, that would actually be pretty cool. I mean, this series just reeks of wank to me anyways, so they might as well have some fun with it. Judging by the look of those Nu Sith, spikes and the color black are "in" this year, so the Eclipse would fit right in. 8) VT-16 22:22, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps there's someplace we could put suggestions for the series. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:36, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Who reformed the sith that is the question
 * Probably Lumiya. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 15:48, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

what if its not lumiya what is it was callista or someone totally unexpected
 * I'm just guessing. We don't know yet. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 15:53, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

the fact is that most people beleive it is lumiya what if it was jacen what if the new empire was the hapan empire reformed and jacen rebuilt the sith
 * A brilliant theory, slightly marred by the fact that Jacen Solo is not, and never will be, a Sith Lord. The Empire in Legacy appears to be an advanced version of our beloved First Galactic Empire. Lumiya is the best bet at the minute, though who knows what LotF will bring? - Kwenn 17:34, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Hopefully not another Palpatine clone with his spirit inside... That's so 10–11 BBY. ;) Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 19:52, 25 March 2006 (UTC)

WHOAH! This actually looks awesome, and it makes sense after all with minions angered by the loss of palpatine, it seems fitting that a new order would avenge him. Cade Skywalker is one powerful mofo! These sith aren't playing around. For the first time they combine a legion of troops and an army of sith going in to destroy the jedi. This hasn't been done before. Bane's idea failed, though if Vader never recieved injuries on mustafar, the sith would probably endured forever, and yes this order is started by Lumiya. These Sith seem very powerful, but Cade is an obvious threat to them. He demonstrates amazing skills as do other jedi. I guess the NJO is more powerful than any previous incarnation. Hopefully down the road we'll see them expand outward to other galaxies to conquer. Dude I wish I could write just one Star Wars story, just one. I think this series will be ok, it's just new ground for fans. Admit it, we all wanted to see the sith re-emerge. I look forward to seeing Cade's progress.
 * Again I ask, where is the source for Lumiya starting this order? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:08, 6 April 2006 (UTC)


 * You don't need it, and if you haven't firgured it out by now then i feel sorry for you. DarthMalus 05:39, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Wrong, we do need it. And while it's pretty much obvious, we need a source. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:48, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

Justification
Is it just me or is the whole justification of controlling the galaxy in order to save it a little Revan'ish, i mean he had to conquer the galaxy to protect it from the First Sith Empire, and now these guys. Jasca Ducato 10:07, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems that all or most of the Sith Lords did what they did for the same reason. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:29, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * There is nothing worse than a self-rightous tyrant. -- SFH 14:50, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I remember reading in the new Insider issue that the Legacy Era Sith wanted to control the Galaxy to make it better. It says that this made them different from other Sith. Actually, I think all Sith shared this idea, like I said above. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:22, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * All Sith are control freaks, and nobody wakes up the morning and says "Ah...another day to be evil." outside looney tunes. The fact is, Sith have different values, which most of us would find to be amoral at best, many of them even seeking power for its own sake, but all of them seeking to mold the galaxy into a shape that they find more appealling to their values, and ultimately, better (In their own eyes). --68.0.144.96 07:43, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Palpatine also seemed to want to bring peace to the galaxy&mdash;as long as he was the guy in charge, which I think is probably the outlook shared by Darth Krayt - Kwenn 07:56, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure that all Sith share that outlook...hehehe.--68.0.144.96 07:58, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. The Galaxy, in their opinion, has to be saved from everything else&mdash;which, in the Sith's point of view, is evil. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:50, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thus the idea of the Sith'ari was brought into creation. Not only would he destroy the Sith and bring about a New Sith (presumably the Legacy Sith), he would unify the galaxy under one government. When you look at it from a Sith's point of view once the galaxy has gotten over the original shock of being conquered they would carry on pretty much the same under Sith control as they would under Republic control. Jasca Ducato 14:28, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * No, the Sith'ari didn't bring about the Legacy Era Sith. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:30, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you know that for sure, no. Like i said, he presumably did. If Anakin hadn't killed Palpatine Lumiya wouldn't have become Sith and the Legacy Era Sith would have no basis for the war (the galaxy would already be under Sith control}. Jasca Ducato 14:34, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, did Vader create the Legacy Era Sith? No, he didn't. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:38, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The point is, Luke could have killed Palpatine at Endor. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:41, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps Vader...or the "Sith'ari" did not create the Legacy Sith, but, for the sake of argument, by that same token (Assuming that Lumiya did organize the Legacy Sith) he was not solely responsible for the Empire, or its destruction. Instead, his actions allowed for them to happen. By betraying Mace Windu, Palpatine's Empire (which had already been in the works for some decades) came to fruition, and by redeeming himself and killing Palpatine was he able to allow the Alliance its opportunity to restore Galactic Order (Which they had also been trying to do for some time)... but if you think about it, Vader's actions have always been the "allowing" factor, rather than the absolute directing of events. Thus, his actions may have led to Lumiya's indesputed rise as the new Dark Lady, and perhaps to her creation of the Legacy Sith, and so, (Given that such speculation is even true) by Vader's usual pattern, his actions have been deciding, but not directing, and so thus can one say that the theory put forth by Jasca is plausible at this point in time. Still, we'd have to wait to find out all the details, and there might still be room for dispute... For the sake of argument, of course.--68.0.144.96 02:02, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The legacy of the Sith'ari says that by destroying the Sith he will lead to the creation of another, more powerful Sith Order. It doesn't say "Darth Vader will kill Darth Sidious and wipe out the Sith but then personally go to Korriban and take a new apprentice whom he declares the first of the new Dark Lords." Does it? Like 68.0.144.96 said, Vader's affect was more in-direct than direct. Jasca Ducato 10:22, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but how do we know that it absolutely had to happen this way? If Luke had killed Palpatine at Endor, Palpatine's spirit could have still traveled to Byss. Therefore, Vader's part was indirect, but if we replaced him with Luke when Palpatine was killed at Endor, the Legacy Era Sith would still live. I'm not arguing that Vader wasn't the Sith'ari, but Vader could have died at Yavin, and it might not have stopped the Legacy Era Sith from being around in 140 BBY. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:26, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, by that same Token, if Anakin had never come to the Republic, Sidious' plans (Which had been in motion long before Anakin's coming) may have still come to fruition. There's no way to no for sure. But... my main point is that Vader had a hand in training Lumiya, by both repairing her broken body and instructing her in the ways of the dark side... years before the Battle of Endor. It's through these indirect yet deciding events that Vader MAY have had a hand in the formation of the Legacy Sith. Again, this is for sake of argument, and there is no way at this point of telling if Lumiya even had anything to do with the Legacy Sith, let alone the prophecy of the Sith'ari alluding to its creation.--68.0.144.96 22:38, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. We could guess all we wanted. And how do we know for sure that Darth Krayt didn't just find a Sith holocron and train himself? He could have forged a new chain of Sith. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:18, 15 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I think Jacen is Darth Krayt. Stinkywookie 15:53, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Jacen couldn't be Darth Krayt unless he joined the Sith before 30 ABY. And he joined 40 ABY. According to the Darth Krayt page, he organized the Sith on Korriban around 30 ABY. - Bub

Members

 * Okay, so Darth Krayt is the guy with two lightsabers, the Aayla-wannabe we still don't have a name for, so that leads to two questions: 1) who is the guy third person, Darth Talon or Darth Nihl, and 2) where is the other one? -- SFH 16:01, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * So I guess I'm wrong about Krayt being Jacen eh? Oh Well.  Would have been cool.  Is he Vong?Stinkywookie 16:11, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The Nagai on the right is Darth Nihl. There's also a Chagrian called Darth Wyyrlok, and a Darth Stryfe - Kwenn 16:12, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I just added that the Legacy Sith seem to have abandoned the Rule of Two. (sigh)...and I thought the names were already bad. So which one is Talon? -- SFH 16:14, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * If people will stop editing i'll get my message in! Actually, the Sith on the left is Darth Krayt, the middle one is unknown and the other is Darth Talon. Jasca Ducato 16:15, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * The Darth Nihl page says he's the Nagai. Which is correct? - Kwenn 16:16, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, thought you were talking about the one on the left (with two sabers) Jasca Ducato 16:39, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * This is so confusing... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:18, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, so: Krayt is the Vong-a-like Sith Master; Talon is the tattooed Twi'lek; Nihl is the Nagai; Wyyrlok is the Chagrian - Kwenn 17:19, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait, are you saying Krayt is a Vong? -- SFH 17:21, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No, Vong-like. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:22, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh thank god. If it had been a Vong, it would have officially become some fanonists creation. -- SFH 17:24, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * If it was a Vong, I'd shoot myself. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:30, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Darth Krayt – Vong 2.0. Jasca Ducato 17:33, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * He could be a genetically-altered Vong... If that was the case, I wouldn't shoot myself. ;) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:36, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, Darth Krayt – Vong 1.5. Jasca Ducato 17:40, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Or perhaps he's a species related to the Vong that they brought over to populate a planet... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Possibly. The Sith-Imperial War began because Vong-terraformed worlds were sabotaged by the Sith, resulting in mutations among the populace. Krayt could be one of the victims - Kwenn 17:43, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Wow. That would be awesome if my theory was correct... Hopefully I'll be able to get Legacy: 0 tonight. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:45, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It's possible its just sith armor. Jasca Ducato 17:54, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * True... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:58, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I like the mutated-Vong theory. I hope they don't just get rid of them.  Stinkywookie 18:03, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * You mean the Vong themselves? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 18:04, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah. I have the unpopular opinion of liking the Vong.  They are completely different than anything else in the galaxy and you couldn't use the force on them.  Pretty cool.  Also, there is a lot of ground to cover about how they are dealing with their new life. Stinkywookie 12:03, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyway, after examining an image of Krayt, it appears that he's a humanoid wearing Sith armor like Jasca Ducato suggested. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:06, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've added him to the Sith armor page so that should sort out any fanon like "he's a miniture Krayt Dragon". Jasca Ducato 20:02, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Good lord, I'd hope no one would say that... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:11, 8 June 2006 (UTC)

Names
I've added a NPOV BTS with the fan criticism of the Sith names as being unimaginative - a fan attitude that is reflected in this community as well. Is that a problem? KEJ 23:50, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I think so. You and two others have it out for the names, based on the criticism that they are unimaginative.  I disagree.  Or at least, I think subsequent Sith names are no more imaginative.  As soon as I saw Darth Wyyrlok, I figured at least THAT ONE would be good enough, but it got just as much criticism.  Seriously - Darth Traya? Oh, she betrays stuff.  Darth Plageius?  Oh he messes with germs, I get it. Lonnyd 23:55, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I've seen some similar criticisms on some user pages. I should point out that my main opinion is not so much that they are unimaginative. I think they're plain lame, but that would not be a serious enough criticism to go any BTS section (and it would of course be highly POV). You're right about 'Traya' though ... that's a pretty lame Sith name too. KEJ 00:00, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, I do agree that "Darth Stryfe" is a pretty lame name. Lonnyd 00:14, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I thought we were trying to steer clear of the "some fans" commentary in BTS. It will always sound like a rogue fan did it unless it was something overwhich there was public outcry and is of historical or contextual note (removal of Ewok celebration song, death of Chewbacca, etc.). It doesn't add to the knowledge of a reader. If they think the names are silly, then they'll come to that conclusion. --SparqMan 00:45, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * We should definitely not have fan criticism in the Behind the Scenes section. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:06, 9 June 2006 (UTC)