Talk:Anakin Skywalker/Legends

Nick Name
I thought he was nicknamed Ani by Padme and Palpatien, not just his mother He was called Ani by his mother,and Jar Jar,and Padme,and Palpatine too.KindGenius 17:31, September 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * His mother gave him the nickname when he was really little. and it's Palpatine jedi_master425
 * I'm not sure about Palpatine, but Jar Jar is a "yes". 66.25.254.123 08:30, August 1, 2010 (UTC)

I think Qui-Gon called him Ani as well. --The Force 5 06:26, October 2, 2011 (UTC)
 * This conversation has been over for a year. Please note the timestamps and don't ressurect dead topics. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 17:37, October 9, 2011 (UTC)

Palpatine didn't call him Ani, only Anakin. --Darkjedi55 21:59, February 3, 2012 (UTC)

Picture
Can we switch the main picture of anakin with the main picture of the chosen one article. I think that picture would look better here [Azen Trayon]

Quote
Can we make the main quote into He&hellip;is the Chosen One. He&hellip;will bring balance. Train him&hellip;|Jinn's dying request to Kenobi|QuiGonDyingWish-TPM.ogg|Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace}} by Qui Gon
 * The current quote works fine as it is. The nominated quote simply isn't as focused or specific.  CC7567  (talk) 05:04, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Vader was not that confident before he fought Galen Marek
8goodking 17:06, April 18, 2010 (UTC) I already made modification to the main page because I do not buy the idea that Vader was fully anticipating his victory against Galen Marek. In that cutscene in The Force Unleashed, the Emperor gave Vader the order to stop Galen Marek. Vader neither moved immediately or replied "Yes, my master.". Instead, he paused there and tipped his head down for a second before he walked away in silence. I could almost imagine what he was thinking: "What? Me?" or "Oh crap!". Yeah Vader told Galen Marek that he still had much to learn. However, I bellieve that was just a taunt from Vader. Vader has been closely monitoring Galen Marek so if he underestimated the young Jedi he must be very dumb.

First was: "Anakin Skywalker was a legendary Human male Jedi Knight who served ..." Now is : "Anakin Skywalker was a Force-sensitive Human male who served..."

First was better. Who change it?
 * I don't know who did it, but the later one is less POV, and thus better and more fitting.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 14:26, May 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * But he was a legendary jedi knight so if his was changed to force sensitive male then shouldn't every other jedi's that says that be changed too? if not then change it back.

Sith Sacrifice
I have a question about his Sacrifice, For me, it is no doubt Padme, he killed the only person he truly loved and thus erased all attachements. but he did not do this willingly so i dont know if it can be "Sith Sacrifice", I read in "behind the threats - Sithů, that his sacrifice was Mace Windu and Jedi Order Itself, but   i really do not know about it. He did not kill Windu and Jedi Order Was destroyed after his Aprenticeship. So my Question is this: Is there any Canonical source of what exactly was his Sith Sacrifice?--ScorpiO 17:35, May 29, 2010 (UTC)

He never had a real sacrifice before apprenticeship. but he respected windu. --76.88.96.40 16:31, June 10, 2010 (UTC) roku07
 * And by slicing off Windu's hand, he lead to his death. This show's that he was willing to sacrifice not only windu but the order its self in order to gain the power he needed to save Padme. jedi_master425

Power
In the force unleashed Galen Marek uses the force to pull down a star destoyer, and is very powerful. we all know that Anakin had the potential to be the most powerful being to ever exist had he not sustained his injuries. Would Anakin have been able to do this around the time of revenge of the sith since he surpassed most of if not all the jedi masters in raw power? jedi_master425


 * You mean pulling down a Star Destroyer like Marek did? Of course he could, even as Vader he could. The problem though was Vader did NOT have the opportunity or the need to do it. Star Destroyers were on HIS side. But as to actually doing it? No doubt he wouldn't have any problem with it. He might get tired of the effort as a half-machine Vader, but as Anakin, he has the powers to do it. Questorminator 11:00, June 15, 2010 (UTC)


 * Thanks for clearing that up. I love Marek's character and how powerful he is and everything, but sometimes it seems like they're trying to make him a little to powerful. jedi_master425


 * I think the reason why he seems so powerful is because of the fact that it was a video game and they had to emphasize how a force-wielder uses his powers. Also, most Sith or at least Sith disciples, abuse the Force. If Anakin didn't get maimed on Mustafar, we probably would've seen a significantly powerful Sith doing what Marek did and more. Questorminator 04:16, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

OH!!!!
vader is my fav. sith-in-a-suit-man-that-looks-so-scary-if-he-tries-to-kill-you lol, to many -'s
 * That's great, but not terribly relevant. --Imperialles 22:44, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * nope, it aint. But this is a discussion page, so who cares?


 * Yes, but please keep comments in the range of improving the article. And sign your posts darth vindus and 62.49.92.201. brightfur 21:32, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

The logic behind why the picture is there
The last time I checked this discussion tab, somebody mentioned that the reasoning behind showing EP III Anakin as this article's main image was the following: It was his 'latest' (in terms of canon) physical appearance as Anakin, and not Vader. However, there are two things that are fundamentally wrong with this picture, if that logic is to be followed: 1 - This is arguably a picture of Darth Vader, not Anakin Skywalker. Clearly, this Anakin is giving in to his anger, which is very suggestive that we may be looking at early Darth Vader instead. 2 - The EP III appearance *was not* the last physical appearance of Anakin in the movies. The last physical appearance of Anakin was him as that Shakespearean actor who was hired to play the role of the dying Anakin in EP VI, which would mean that his face, after Luke has taken off the mask, is the correct image for this article by that logic. Now, obviously, that would not make a very good image, so it would most likely be best to make an exception here. Taking all things into account, who is more easily recognized? Hayden Christensen, or Darth Vader's suit? If a person who knows virtually nothing about Star Wars searches "Darth Vader" and sees Hayden Christensen, it would stand to reason that they would be very confused. Another thing to consider is this: the image for the article "Chosen One"/"The Chosen One" (whichever it technically is) has an extremely similar image of Hayden Christensen, making the articles almost redundant in that regard. Here is my opinion: we switch out Hayden Christensen for an image people will recognize immediately, regardless of their knowledge on Star Wars: Darth Vader's suit. Besides, technically speaking, Darth Vader did make the switch back to the light side *before* the removal of his helmet, so an image of an expressionless Darth Vader does not necessarily mean it cannot be Anakin underneath. I normally let these kinds of things go, but when people make arguments that hold fundamental flaws (like the reasoning behind choosing Hayden Christensen) it drives me crazy to no end. Bleah. Xanofar 08:43, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Apologies for the difficulty you will probably have reading this. If you click "edit", you can see how I intended it to look originally. I don't know if it's allowed or not, but if somebody knows enough to alter the appearances before I figure out how to (in the eventual future) feel free to 'clean up' my previous post to reflect that. Thanks. Xanofar 08:46, August 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * While a few years old the above topic has validity to it. Anakins Skywalker IS Dark Vader, they are one in the same. Putting up the picture of Hayden Chrsitensen before he was required to wear the suit is this "encyclopedia" saying that he wasn't Anakins Skywalker anymore. He may of joined the dark side, but from a biological and encyclopedic POV he is and always will be. So for these reasons, the picture should be of Anakin Skywalker in the Darth Vader suit since it IS Anakin Skywalker. And LelalMekha put it so nicely "*While Anakin and Vader may appear like entirely different individuals from a moral point of view, they are the same from a biological and encyclopedic POV. And we are an encyclopedia, after all." <--- you can see this qoute near the bottom of this discussion page.


 * Lastly, Darth Vader may be Anakin Skywlkers dark side name, it doesn't change the fact that he is still Anakin Skywalker. If anyone comes here wanting to see what Anakin Skywalker looked like before the suit, they can see plenty of pictures on this page. I am only discussing the main picture. ---Daniel Lee Collins (talk) 08:39, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Do not try to resurrect old topics, especially ones that have been well-established and erred on the side you support. If you feel the need to say "while a few years old" like that, start a new thread instead of posting directly to the 2010 discussion. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 08:51, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

I see no where on this talk page where it justifies the use of the picture before he donned the suit. Perhaps instances like this would be avoided here if the reasons behind the decision were made evident on this talk page. ---09:01, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry, it's 2 AM for me and I (somehow) misunderstood you. Still, start a new topic. You won't get any more responses in this one, but I'll let you know this was debated fiercely and the principle of "Force Ghost appearance = infobox picture," why we have the Hayden Christensen picture, is community consensus. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 09:09, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

"Do not remove talk page and forum comments, including your own, as they are part of the public record. Remember that you should always sign your comments on talk and vote pages using four tildes, like this: ~ ~ ~ ~." Put it back JangoFett. you broke the rules! ---Daniel Lee Collins (talk) 20:37, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, I'm fairly certain he didn't. For one thing, you're bringing up a very volatile topic that has been settled multiple times and should not be brought up again. Second, you're violating the purpose of a talk page&mdash;"Talk pages are for discussion relating to changes to the article, not for a discussion about the topic in question." Also, you didn't look through the archives of this talk page&mdash;you are stating an issue that has been brought up time and time again, and always shot down by the community at large. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 20:50, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * And in answer to your question, the reason the picture is Hayden Christensen and why it will remain to be Hayden Christensen is because his last appearance was as a Force ghost in the canonical version of Episode VI, and because real-life images are preferred over other images here. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 20:57, July 19, 2012 (UTC)

The comment he did remove ( which is a rule he broke since he removed a comment, contrary to your personal view ) shows a picture of Anakin Skywalker that ISN'T a force-ghost. And I guess if you'd watched Episode VI you'd see that it shows Anakin Skywalker before he died as he talked to Luke Skywalker with his helmet off. Since that is Anakin Skywalker at the age of his death it is more correct photo than the current picture.

http://tinyurl.com/7y93tgw <-- Proposed picture.

And I am not violating the talk page since I AM proposing a change to the main page. If you don't like that I have brought up an old topic perhaps you should re-read the rules and remain neutral instead of letting your emotions get to you. ---Daniel Lee Collins (talk) 23:17, July 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * I apologize if you think we have been rude, but we haven't been (intentionally or not). You are simply restarting an issue that has been debated multiple times, and it's a touchy one at that. Beyond our typical rules regarding infobox images, one must also consider the fact that the current picture is the most well-known represntation of the character.  From a real life standpoint, it's a choice between Christensen and Vader, and our community has decided on Christensen.  That's really the heart of the matter.  Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg|

Order 66
In the beggining summary, it says fewer than one hundred jedi suvived Order 66, but the main page for Order 66 says closer to two hundred survived. not too important, but I'd like to see it change.

Tag Trolls
I think this article has been Troll Tagged.
 * What are you talking about? 1358  (Talk) 09:35, October 2, 2010 (UTC)

Battle between Kenobi and Vader on Mustafa
"pleading with Vader to concede defeat and return from the dark path" It is not clear that Kenobi wished for Vader to return from the dark path. In fact, it could be interpreted that Kenobi wished for his former apprentice to die, but was pleading for him to give in so as to avoid having to kill him brutally as he did (and rather grant him a more peaceful death by submission or a death to the lava).

Anakin turned to the DarkSide of the Force because he feared Jedi retribution for helping to kill Mace Windu....

It was mentioned by George Lucas in the Revenge of the Sith DVD commentary that Anakin thought he was doing the right thing saving Palpatine's life when he cut off Windu's hand with his lightsaber. However, Anakin did not think that Palpatine would kill Windu, and as a result of Windu's death Anakin believed that he had gone too far to be forgiven. To save his life, he had no other choice but to join with Palpatine.

That was a quote from Wikipedia; and, therefore, Obi-Wan Kenobi, would not want Darth Vader to turn back to the Light Side of the Force, because his young Padawan turned to the Dark Side of the Force because he feared the Jedi retaliation....

This article is FAR too long!!
This article is so long that it's impossible to get an overview of the life of the most important character of the entire saga. Shouldn't we shorten it down a little? I think we ought to do like on Wikipedia, i.e. shorten the main article down and move the full text into several sub-articles.--90.185.27.224 17:06, October 10, 2010 (UTC) I agree about the length of the article being, well lengthy, but it clearly defines subsections of his life, so I don't really see the problem.94.12.123.141 09:32, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * That is not how Wookieepedia works. Articles here are comprehensive, not massacred.  CC7567  (talk) 20:26, October 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * But still, I think that policy ought to be changed. Articles are meant for enlightenment, not confusion. Apart from extremist fans, no one would even consider reading this whole article, making it impossible to get an actual overview.--Ørsted 16:48, October 11, 2010 (UTC) (That's my new username. :-) )
 * Feel free to raise the subject in the Senate Hall, although it is unlikely to get much support for obvious reasons. That said, this is precisely what introductions and well-titled section headers are for, so that people can find what info they want. Bear in mind that people would complain just as easily if we weren ' t fully comprehensive. NAYA   YEN   19:15, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree that this is a titan of an article. And I understand that it all should be there, since it's all about the same person. But since Anakin has such an distinct "before and after" in his life, when he turned to the dark side, perhaps this could be turned into two articles; One Anakin Skywalker (before he turn) and one Darth Vader (after he turn) refering timewise to eachother. --Draii 11:03, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * I doubt that will happen, for reasons stated above. But even if it did, then the same would have to apply to Jacen Solo/Darth Caedus, Dooku/Darth Tyranus, Alek/Malak, A'Sharad Hett/Darth Krayt and every other Sith Lord that started out as "someone else" before turning to the Dark Side. JRT2010 11:43, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * True, there might be alot of characters that could fall under the same category. But I don't think that it should be done every time a character has a change of heart. But it could be a solution for extremely long articles like this one, to find "chapters" and create extra pages. Perhaps there would be some trouble with sources and such spanning over multiple pages. Don't have a exact plan, just think the article is very long. Ohwell, have spoken my point, don't need to push it more. Thanks for your reply. Well see what happens=) --Draii 20:45, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you don't desire to read the whole article, chopping it to smaller pieces wouldn't make you read it either. And for not wanting to read a long article to get an overview, intro section is there for this purpose. –Tm_T (Talk) 20:50, December 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * You folks may know Star Wars but know nothing of writing a useful entry for an encyclopedia. I have several to my credit and I agree with the OP. This is uselessly long. There is no reason to have it detail every aspect of Skywalker's life. It only serves the purposes of a very minority of persons. The subject heading do little to help someone get an mid-sized grasp on the person at hand--indeed, the subject headings are most useful to those who ALREADY KNOW WHAT THEY ARE LOOKING FOR. Seriously, it's embarrassing.--24.9.225.63 05:01, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * It should be taken to a vote. Fire-lord (If no one talks thing out, how will we ever have world peace?) ; 02:03, June 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * It has, multiple times, and the consensus is always no. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 02:45, June 20, 2012 (UTC)

Not just the length, but the detail is foolish. How many paragraphs begin with; "The next day...". It's as if every single detail, from every single movie, EU novel and video game is included... ad nauseam. For a small minority here (but just big enough to sway 'votes' their way) this may be fine, but for the vast majority of casual readers, this article is all but impossible to wade through. You regulars need to stop this selfishness and start thinking of other fans. There's nothing wrong with splitting the article between Anakin/Jedi and Darth Vader. It's simple enough to do, and would make the article more manageable and user friendly. You guys that are against this are only so because you feel like you're being told to. If regular/insider came up with this idea, I'm sure it would be done in a heartbeat. This is NOT how to build a professional encyclopedia...
 * As said by Cade a few comments above this, it's been voted on, multiple times. Each time the result has been no. Per those multiple votes, the article will not be split. Supreme Emperor (talk) 23:14, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

*TFUII SPOILER* needs mention
The Force unleashed II novel ends with Darth Vader being captured by the rebel alliance and en route to Dantooine, i believe that should be mentioned in the article, I cannot edit.98.175.79.2 19:26, October 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * At the very end, however, the scene shows Boba Fett flying off into lightspeed with the rebels. I doubt that the writers would upset canon to the point to add a random capture without there being a way to connect it to the film the game precedes. I believe Boba Fett actually got hold of Vader before the rebels were able to go to lightspeed with him, but since it looks like this is just implied, I do not think it should be added just yet. Kaitco 03:16, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with you that Boba Fett got hold of Vader as if I recall correctly from the book, Vader owed Boba payment. The Novel never metioned Slave 1 following them into hyperspace it just ended with them jumping into hyperspace, I still can't wait to play the game. 98.175.79.2 23:07, November 2, 2010 (UTC)

The word vader
The word "vader" means "father" in dutch

That fact is already in the article. See Behind the Scenes.WIERDGREENMAN 17:05, December 8, 2010 (UTC)

Anakin's Hair Color
I saw in the physical description about his hair color being brown as an adult but I consider it to be more of a dark blonde. .

That isn't really relevant, as the majority of wookieepedia would need to agree to get what's listed changed. What you're posting is only your opinion. And please remember to sign your comments with four tildes. brightfur 21:38, January 3, 2011 (UTC)

Hero Cycle versus Hero
Whoa, a recent edit just pointed out that the BtS info on The Hero is written by Raglan, but the information following it is from Campbell's "Hero's Cycle" from Hero with a Thousand Faces. Someone should fix it...that isn't a lazy bum like me. -Zekk_Skywalk 02:36, December 28, 2010 (UTC)

Chronological Order
I had noticed how the events some episodes in the Clone Wars were out of order: The skirmish with Cad Bane about the Holocron and Boba Fett's bounty hunters on Vanquor were after the events of Hostage Crisis. However, as seen in the episode Lethal Trackdown, Commander Ponds is killed, and the Vanquor part wouldn't have been able to come after the Hostage Crisis, as seen in the article. Also, the first Cad Bane events took place before Hostage Crisis, so there's my reasoning for the changes.-- Shadow34 00:40, February 19, 2011 (UTC)

Sloppy writing
Whoever is updating the article to correspond with the latest TCW episodes: I salute your spirit, but your grammar and spelling is, at times, atrocious. Please try to conform to the high-quality standard Wookieepedia strives for. -- Darth Praxus  ( Did somebody order a miracle? ) 17:55, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

The fabled Darth Vader with a green Lightsaber
While watching the original episode 4, (not the remastered version) my brother noticed that Vader had green lightsaber while they were escaping the Deathstar and the blast door that Vader was behind, he had a green lightsaber. I rewound it and sure enough, a green blade, with a red blaster shot going by for clear contrast. I think the green blade was the original part of the prop that wasn't edit out or replaced with the glowing red blade.--Laghing rabt 22:07, May 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * It wasn't green. It was a white color from the rotoscoping lightsaber prop and it was not properly enhanced with the post-production red-colored treatment by ILM the first time around. This production error has been fixed in the remastered version.  Gethralkin  Hyperwave 18:28, July 2, 2011 (UTC)

Ahsoka
How did Ahsoka particiapte so much in the Clone Wars when Anakin was only knighted after hs mission to Praesitlyn, which occured about 30 months A.B.O.G., 6 months before the end of the war? The TCW project seems to be very sloppy and would be better if it was declared to be non-canon. GeneralKenobi96 15:33, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * This is not the place for Lucas bashing and complaining about TCW. Anakin's knighting had been retconned.&mdash; TK-999  Era-imp.png( Rise of the Empire ) 15:41, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Opening quote
"I wish I known him" should be changed to "I wish I'd known him". I would have but the page has been locked. If you're going to lock it, get the spelling right.

2.221.24.249 22:09, November 16, 2011 (UTC)

Main Quote
Can we make the main quote into Luke: "There is still good in him. I've felt it." Obi-Wan: "He's more machine now than man; twisted and evil." I think it defines Anakin Skywalker much better then the current Main Quote. Luke think there's good in him while Obi-Wan think thinks he's completely evil. While Episode III's quote just show Obi-Wan loose all Hope on Ankain. While Episode VI's quote show Luke's Hope on his father that there is still good inside him. --Cococrash11 07:55, December 16, 2011 (UTC)
 * That quote can go into the Luke section of the article's P&T.  JangFett  (Talk) 08:15, December 16, 2011 (UTC)

Title of page
Anakin's Sith persona seems to be more well-known than his non-Sith persona. Can we change the title of the page to Darth Vader instead? 67.169.72.3 17:17, December 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * No, see here for our naming conventions. <- Omicron (Leave a message at the BEEP! ) 18:25, December 24, 2011 (UTC)

Slaves of the Republic
The Slaves of the Republic story needs an update for the TCW episodes. For example, Ventress wasn't involved, and wasn't Commander Ugg now Darts D'nar?

Chosen One
Doesn't the Legacy comics with characters like Darth Krayt and Darth Caedus kind of make his Legacy as The Chosen One go to waste?KitFisto19BBY 13:31, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * Indeed, which is why, like TCW, I don't accept it as canon. Zeta1127 of the 89th Legion (talk) 17:02, March 3, 2012 (UTC)
 * This is not a discussion forum. Please go find one to express your opinions.  Gethralkin  Hyperwave 04:39, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * I am aware this isn't a discussion forum, but many contributors don't understand what article talk pages are for. I don't even think most contributors know where the forums are. Zeta1127 of the 89th Legion (talk) 04:43, March 5, 2012 (UTC)
 * It shouldn't be too hard to figure out when it is stated plainly at the top of the page: "This space is used for discussion relating to changes to the article, not for a discussion about the topic in question." As to where forums are, search on Google for "Star Wars forum" and you will get a list of places where these discussions are appropriate. This wiki is not one of them. Additionally, opinions concerning canon is a discussion that you should take up with Leeland Chee or the guy who hired him for that position, George Lucas&mdash;not for discussion here where such argument will go unheard by them and only cause disruption to producing a better article.  Gethralkin  Hyperwave 04:59, March 5, 2012 (UTC)

"Fixing" the article
So in my opinion this article sucks. "Then fix it yourself!" some will argue. Okay, I will try when I have the chance, but this is a huge article! It doesn't seem like anyone pays attention to edits made on this article because the accumulation of crap is just out of hand. My suggestion is that we gently trim out some of the poorly written/less important sections to reduce the page's length because, quiet frankly, the article's navigability is also crap. So if I at some point decide to rework some of the sections am I going to be tarred and feathered for removing some of the more frivolous sections or combining events and reducing the all inclusiveness of the article? Because if I am, I'll just let the article rot away. Purpilia 15:12, March 7, 2012 (UTC)

Maybe someone should look at the age discrepancy between Anakin and Ferus Olin in the Jedi Quest books. It drives me nuts that in several of the books they clearly state that Ferus is a few years older than Anakin, but Anakin is listed as being born years before 44 BBY, which is where Ferus is listed as being born. I know it seems small, but every time I try to fix something somebody erases it or tells me I'm wrong and then erases it. Maybe somebody who knows better than I should have a look. 173.20.197.153 00:30, March 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, you're right. It's a big article. But, then, it's only about the primary character in the Star Wars saga. Just do it one step at a time. I would not recommend deleting whole portions, but rewriting is not out of the realm of possibility. Take for instance my recent edit to the badly structured and partially inaccurate Plot to Kidnap the Chancellor. "Fixing" this article definitely needs to be done, but given the size, we shouldn't expect great changes in a short amount of time. This is going to be a project-based effort of which this article is the focus of three.  Gethralkin  Hyperwave 17:01, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * No, Luke Skywalker is the primary character in the Star Wars saga, Darth Vader is just the main villian.KitFisto19BBY 19:02, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * Not according to Lucas. Weedle McHairybug 20:39, March 7, 2012 (UTC)
 * You are absolutely correct, Wheedle. According to George Lucas own words, the main theme throughout the films is Vader/Anakin's redemption and him bringing balance to the Force&mdash;presumably by destroying the Emperor (*SPOILER ALERT* Luke does not even appear until EIII at the very end as an infant)&mdash;and the reason why this article is so lengthy is because of the expansive focus on Anakin in TCW and in the live-action films. Each additional episode in TCW adds more info to the article. The problem is that TCW episodes are not in an entirely chronological order, so it takes quite a bit of investigation to pinpoint when things happen. That in addition to the poor grammar of edits made by exuberant fans that do not take the time to proofread their work.  Gethralkin  Hyperwave 04:46, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * I understand that some people can't write in their own language when they are excited but my point is that those edits shouldn't be allowed to remain on the page. I've had factual and lengthy edits reverted for simply not citing properly. The policy should be the same on this page. And more importantly, I think we need to cull some of the more lengthy sections and condense it. We don't need a paragraph for each time Skywalker issues a command. Some battles can be condensed and merged under a single heading and reference the battle in the text. If you want to know every detail known about the Battle of Lola Sayu, you follow that link and read it. Reading this article is like reading a combination of articles on every event in the Clone Wars he participated in. Purpilia 17:00, March 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Excellent point and I encourage you to be bold and edit it. Place an template to announce your changes being made and that will reduce the red flags at major reconstruction. I advise though that you check your changes in the Sandbox first before posting. That way, you can catch any errors in your draft.  Gethralkin  Hyperwave  22:56, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Merge with Darth Vader
I propose this article be moved to Anakin/Darth Vader since he was called both names half his life.KitFisto19BBY 21:19, March 13, 2012 (UTC)
 * Nope. It isn't going to happen due to the fact that the article naming policy for characters has already been hashed out, discussed, and resolved into a standard on this wiki.  Gethralkin  Hyperwave 03:05, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

Name
Where did George Lucas come up with the name, "Anakin" from? Is there any explanation? EkulStarkiller 02:15, May 14, 2012 (UTC)
 * As the box at the top says (which I believe you may have missed), this is a talk page for the maintenance of the article&mdash;not a discussion forum. Please go find a Star Wars discussion fan forum and ask your question there. &mdash; Gethralkin  Hyperwave 07:45, May 19, 2012 (UTC)

Zone Anakin?
Hi new here but noticed that there was no section for In the Zone Anakin. The name is a popular fan made name but the state is real, Anakin does this when beating Dooku as well as when controlling the son and daughter and there may be more examples then just those two.

George Lucas has also called Zone Anakin to be twice as powerful as Sidous.
 * Bacause it is fanon. Unless you can back up your source from Lucas with a verifiable citation, then you can not prove he stated it and therefore can not include it. Also, please sign your post with four tildes ~ . If you don't, then your comments will be marked with unsigned templates identifying your URL. Register on this wiki with an account in order to keep your URL private. &mdash; Gethralkin  Hyperwave 17:49, June 18, 2012 (UTC)

Separate Article or Two Infobox Pictures?
I had a thought: Anakin and Darth Vader look drastically different, as do many other characters and their Sith alter egos. I think that just one picture is insufficiently representative of one characters. In cases like that, which do you think we should do: Include a different article for the character's Sith persona, or just include a picture of the alter egos in the infobox next to their original identity (i.e. Anakin Skywalker next to Darth Vader, and Chancellor Palpatine next to Darth Sidious)? - User: Dr. Anonymous1 21:33, June 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * No. That would be confusing, and there's no need. It would make the other image smaller, and there are plenty of images of characters' alter egos in the rest of their article. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 21:37, June 17, 2012 (UTC)
 * Also, we don't make multiple articles for a single character. There's plenty of CTs about that. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 21:38, June 17, 2012 (UTC)

Well, we could also include a second infobox for Vader, right after the paragraphs regarding his defeat on Mustafar. I have seen several Wikis do that, for characters who changed drastically. Plus, in its current state, the casual observer would see Darth Vader as little more than a footnote on this page.

I mean, Anakin was Vader for the entire second half (and then some) of the movie saga, and as such a single infobox featuring Hayden Christiansen hardly do an adequate job of representing the black-armoured monster he would become.

By adding a second infobox for Vader after the events of Episode III, not only is it not as confusing, it also highlights and acknowledges the fact that, other than sharing the same past, Anakin and Darth Vader were entirely different individuals. User: Dr. Anonymous1 15:12, June 19, 2012 (UTC)
 * While Anakin and Vader may appear like entirely different individuals from a moral point of view, they are the same from a biological and encyclopedic POV. And we are an encyclopedia, after all. Anyway, two infoboxes on the same page is against our current rules and manual of style, and I frankly don't think the Wookieepedian community  would agree with allowing several infoboxes per page. I wouldn't, for that matter. --LelalMekha 15:24, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Well, at least enlarge the first picture of Darth Vader (from Episode IV, preferably) to the size (or almost) of the picture in the infobox. That way, we're making Lord Vader a bit more than a footnote on the Anakin page, and acknowledging the difference between the personas. User: Dr. Anonymous1 15:48, June 19, 2012 (UTC)

Ghost Prison
Question: When exactly does the events of Ghost Prison take place in relation to The Lost Command? We'll need to create a section for it on this article soon, so I must know. Weedle McHairybug 00:10, June 23, 2012 (UTC)

Wookieefy
I am interested in helping to clean up and "wookieefy" this article. What sections need fixing. I have read most of the article and just need a little help figuring out what needs changing. Matt Seay (talk) 21:53, August 15, 2012 (UTC)

Alternate Story line with son

Where does the alternate story with Son come in? Where does it say that the father doesn't erase Anakin's memory that he goes to Courascant and kills Yoda and Palpatine? Also where does it say that Darth Vader in the suit is more powerful than Yoda and 8/10 as strong as Sidious. 50.14.81.151 17:49, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

Image problem
The image Anakin figher ryloth.jpg is not showing up. if it has been deleted as it says replaced duplicate images then a new version needs to be there, am I correct? Matt Seay (talk) 16:19, October 5, 2012 (UTC)

Jedi Master
I couldn't find if this point was discussed already or not, but isn't Anakin stated as Jedi Master in the TCW series? I mean, he is mentioned many times as "Master Jedi" or "Master" (not only by Ahsoka, but also by other Jedi Masters/Knights). Plus, the short time wouldn't make it necessarily impossible, considering he received a Padawan right after being knighted. :rollseyes: Was there any word on this matter from the show producers? Winterz (talk) 00:33, October 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * It's just an honorific, and it's all but meaningless: a sign of respect. He is a Jedi Knight and the show cannot change that because he was still a Knight in ROTS. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 19:02, October 28, 2012 (UTC

I think that they only say he is a Master towards Ahsoka, a "Master Jedi" as opposed to a "Jedi Master". Jedi Master is a rank whereas him being a "Master" only requires him to have a padawan.

Vader Image?
So is it actually possible for us to change the image from Anakin to Vader as we know he is more primly known as Darth Vader as he is an Iconic Character and when you think of the character you instantly think of Vader not Anakin, but anyway I was thinking of this image if it was to be replaced.



I have mentioned this to someone and they suggested a vote but I don't think I am willing to go down that road. ;) What do anyone else think? Wwewrestling (talk) 19:41, November 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * If you read through the various talk page archives, specifically Archive 14, you can see that the decision about the image was made by community consensus multiple times. You're beating a dead-horse, essentially. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 19:46, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

Rearranging the article.
Hi.

I was wondering if we should do a complete rearrangement of the article so it actually works in chronological order. The Imperial Period portion is especially guilty of this, with stuff such as Lost Command and Ghost Prison being placed in a manner that implied that it took place in 18BBY, even though it was actually closer to 19BBY. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:00, November 23, 2012 (UTC)

New ability to be listed
Perhaps this isn't worth mentioning, but should his tolerance for extreme temperatures be listed? He was apparently comfortable on Tatooine and Mustafar. Though he complained about the cold of space, he went shirtless during the Battle of Nelvaan, indicating that either he could withstand much colder temperatures than a climate-controlled ship in space, or he had developed a taste for it, or had some sort of Force power. The Wise One, Gnost-Dural himself!.  The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.  14:46, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure but it seems to me you're only taking hints from certain events... I agree that he will have developed a resistance to hot climates due to his upbringing on Tatooine, but naturally not due to the Force...94.12.123.141 09:59, May 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * As for cold weather climates, on Orto Plutonia he is seen substantially wrapped up, perhaps negating your explanation of The Battle of Nelvaan although I have not seen that particular episode. In reality, the events you mention are only tiny hints, and in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter.94.12.123.141 09:58, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

Birthdate accuracy
There seem to be some age discrepancies between Anakin Skywalker and some of his agemates. It is clearly stated in several books that Ferus Olin is "several years older than Anakin" and Darra Thel-Tanis is "a few years younger than" Anakin, yet when I look between Ferus Olin's page and Anakin's it shows that Anakin is older, Darra is shown to be born in the same year as Tru, and Tru Veld is supposed to be "in the same year of training as him" yet it shows him to be 4 years younger. In the interest of accuracy, I think it would be well within the bounds of either the Ferus Olin page or the Anakin Skywalker page to improve accuracy and dependability. If I knew how you all came up with such things, I would do it myself, however the ABY and BBY articles are somewhat confusing to me. 173.20.197.153 05:41, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't really see a problem here. In his article, Ferus Olin is listed as being born in 44 BBY, which is indeed three years older than Anakin Skywalker, born in 41 BBY. As far as Tru Veld is concerned, his page shows him to be born in 42 BBY, while Darra Thel-Tanis was born in 41 BBY ; there is indeed a one-year difference, but it doesn't really prevent them from being "in the same year of training" (he just could be older by a few months). There is nothing to be confused about with the BBY and ABY articles either. We're dealing here with events that occurred Before the Battle of Yavin (BBY), thus the years are counted in reverse. --LelalMekha (talk) 08:54, April 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you for clearing that up, the BBY and ABY are confusing to me personally, not that they are written that way. 173.20.197.153 15:31, April 7, 2013 (UTC)

Shouldn't he be called Darth Vader?
Since he is only known as Anakin Skywalker in the prequels and pretty much renounced that name when he became a Sith shouldn't the page be titled Darth Vader and feature an image of that version?MrAnonymous (talk)MrAnonymous 08:06, April 17, 2013 (UTC) Yeah, I agree, but if you want you could contact an Admin.
 * First of all your signature currently violates the Signature policy as it does not provide the time/date. Secondly, according to the Naming policy the article should be named Anakin Skywalker. Fe Nite (talk) 15:58, April 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree, an explanation would be that Anakin Skywalker was the man's name when he was born, and ultimately he renounced the name Vader when he became one with force in Ep VI.94.12.123.141 09:41, May 29, 2013 (UTC)

New main image
I've found what I believe to be a better main picture for this article from Revenge of the Sith promotional shoot, so I'll put the change to a vote. Alexrd (talk) 18:02, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

New

 * 1) Alexrd (talk) 18:02, June 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) Jet Twilights (talk) 18:28, June 21, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion
3rd paragraph, last sentence. Decimate doesn't mean what you think it does. You are thinking of the word 'obliterate'. Please consider changing.

Trials issue
Does the original clone wars cartoon higher canon than the new clone wars cartoon? It says that he was still doing the trials as late as 19 BBY. However,as we all know he had a Padawan, Ahsoka Tano. So which one is higher? 50.158.190.123 05:00, July 31, 2013 (UTC)

Editing
Umm... this page is so long that I can't add a section about the Endurance level in Rogue Squadron II. I only get a letter in, then I have to wait for it to process, and then I repeat. We really need 2 seperate articles for Anakin and Vader. This is ridiculous. I know it's been brought up several times, but try editing the article, you'll see what I mean. This should be an exception to the rule. --I am Darth Nightmaricus. All who enter my lair shall perish. 21:19, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * I finished my edit. Please don't revert it, it's taken me an hour to do something that should've taken me five minutes at the most. --I am Darth Nightmaricus. All who enter my lair shall perish. 21:51, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think that's a problem on your end, as I've been able to make large-scale changes without any real issues. And also, the Endurance minigames are bonus minigames, which fall under the purview of game mechanics and are not considered canon. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  22:25, August 19, 2013 (UTC)

Quote about being 80% of Sidious?
Does anyone know where the source for this quote is? Cause I can't find it. I keep seeing people say

"Well Vader reached 80% of Sidious"

Ok nice...and I don't have a problem with this, but WHERE is this quote coming from? Is it actual fact? Thank you...Wolfscar45 (talk) 01:13, September 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Here. Trip391 (talk) 01:16, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

You're positive it is from Empire of Dreams? Cause I have watched the doc and I can't seem to recall anywhere in the quote stating as such...

I have also watched Legacy revealed and don't recall it...is there any particular timeframe where the quote is said?Wolfscar45 (talk) 04:25, September 13, 2013 (UTC)

Still would like a confirmation on this.Wolfscar45 (talk)
 * If memory serves, it was stated by George Lucas in an interview he did with Vanity Fair magazine around the time ROTS came out. I can't remember the issue, but you could probably google it. Alucard10001 (talk) 08:25, February 25, 2014 (UTC)

Why were my edits reverted?
Referring to this: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Anakin_Skywalker&diff=4673902&oldid=4673897 I reconstructed sentence starting and stopping in the first part of the intro section for the article as I was reading it and it felt unnatural to read with odd sentence stopping (or not stopping, e.g. ended with a comma then put the word "and" on frequent occasions). I noticed the edit was reverted by a non-admin, and I'm wondering why and if I can put it back. — User:Ottsel Leader  (talk) 19:22, November 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * As far as I can tell, your edit was reverted because there is simply nothing wrong with the sentences that you identify as flawed. In addition, your modifications were not all grammatically correct, one instance being this sentence "[...] Skywalker encountered the Jedi Qui-Gon Jinn and Padmé Amidala, where he helped them secure [...]." Now I'm not the best at explaining grammar rules, but I will try my best. The usage of "where" in this case is inappropriate because the objects of the preceding independent clause are people (i.e. Qui-Gon & Padmé) and not places. While I'm at it, I should also point out that I do not understand what you mean by "sentence starting and stopping" and "sentence stopping or not stopping." Sol Pacificus (talk) 17:57, November 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah okay. Thanks for the insight. What I meant by "sentence starting and stopping" and "sentence not stopping" is that in the original text the word "and" is used quite often whenever a period and a new sentence would do better. There were a few other things I addressed but I forgot about them now. And, while I'm here, may I ask why the word "Human" is capitalized? It isn't supposed to, is it? The term "human" is generic, and a common noun (not a proper noun). — User:Ottsel Leader  (talk) 16:10, November 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * I understand what you mean now; though as I said earlier, there is technically nothing wrong with the sentences you sought to correct, there is a repetition of compound sentences coinciding with an overuse of the conjunction "and." For certain writers, this is not a significant issue, but I, myself, would prefer to vary the structure of my sentences in my writing. For now, however, it is okay, to say it simply even though one would expect that the introduction paragraph to the article on the absolute main character of the franchise would be held to a higher quality.


 * As for "Human," we place greater priority on words as presented in our sources over real-world English grammar. For instance, though in real-life we treat all species names as general nouns, Star Wars apparently follows by the consistent convention of capitalizing all names of sentient species, and thus we defer to this rule. (side note: Star Wars defines "sentience" as any species that you would consider as "people" as opposed to creatures although as an advocate of animal rights I prefer the term "sapience" instead since I think that "sentience" is better applied to any organism that can feel and sense and possesses self-awareness regardless of its level of intelligence, but here at Wookieepedia, we go by the sources like I said). Unfortunately Star Wars has been inconsistent on the capitalization of "human," with almost just as many sources capitalizing it than not. And so we could not rely on sources and decided to bring it to a vote to establish for ourselves a consistency here at Wookieepedia. The results can be seen here and here. In general, we (or actually "they" since I wasn't around at the time), chose to capitalize "Human" since all the other names of sapient sentient species were capitalized in sources, and I suppose to treat humans differently would be, from a certain perspective, humanocentric and not as NPOV? Sol Pacificus (talk) 02:21, November 19, 2013 (UTC)


 * Ah okay. That makes sense. Thanks for clearing that up. At my wiki we tried to go with a convention that the game creator went with too but we found it consistently inconsistent as well, so we just stuck with English rules. :P I can imagine the headache trying to go through the Star Wars franchise considering how huge it is. Anyways, thanks again. :) — User:Ottsel Leader  (talk) 15:56, November 19, 2013 (UTC)

Vader's Capture
The part of the page where it says Vader was captured by the rebel allaince due to Starkiller the ref is a game Force Unleashed II. Is a game reible I know it is made but Lucas arts but so was the Battlefront games and they are inaccurate. Uniforms ships and droids and such I think that is more fanon that fact. IG Series (talk) 05:44, December 15, 2013 (UTC)IG Series*The TFU series is canon, whether you like it or not. Comparing it to Battlefront doesn't have any relevance; Battlefront's an entirely different genre of game. Cade   Calrayn  05:56, December 15, 2013 (UTC) So is Battlefront not in world accurate?IG Series (talk) 06:04, December 15, 2013 (UTC)IG Series Battlefront can't be called refrence on here then?IG Series (talk) 06:05, December 15, 2013 (UTC)IG Series
 * I am not comapring it to Battlefront I am saying Games aren't reliable sources that part of the article should be removed.IG Series (talk) 05:59, December 15, 2013 (UTC)IG Series
 * ... no. I'm not sure where you get the idea that all games are non-canon, but that's false. The TFU games are officially-licensed, in-universe, canon games that can't be discarded simply because someone's not a fan. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  06:02, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * What? Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  06:04, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * .... no? Battlefront's story and elements are canon. When I say they're two different games, I'm referring to how Battlefront's multiplayer/random combat mode is completely different from TFU. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  06:07, December 15, 2013 (UTC)

Yes but if all official things are correct the on the Piett page hisdeath should be removed as on the official toy there is no metion of it. IG Series (talk) 06:12, December 15, 2013 (UTC)IG Series I am saying that how can some official things be corrext and others not as for aritisic lience that is a terrible I dea as any register aritist could come on here and write anything and it would be taken as truth.IG Series (talk) 06:17, December 15, 2013 (UTC)IG Series
 * You've completely lost me here. I'm not sure what you're trying to say, but the fact remains that TFU and TFU 2 are canon, regardless of what you may want. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  06:15, December 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * I think that that part should be taken down. If TU is quoteable is officialy licenced toys?IG Series (talk) 06:22, December 15, 2013 (UTC)IG Series

Possible etymology
I think I found possible etymology of Darth Vader

Darth Vader dark + Lat. vadere, vasus -to walk.Dark walker as opposite of Luke skywalker word also appears in invade, invasion, evade, evasion 88.207.107.194 07:05, December 23, 2013 (UTC) Xand
 * It's certainly possible, but we'd need solid evidence to go on before we put anything like that into the article --- in short, we can't speculate. Everything must be sourceable. Menkooroo (talk) 07:08, December 23, 2013 (UTC)

Clovis Story Arch
The story arvh in Seaosn 6 about Clovis is set after "The Unknown", "Conspiracy". "Fugitive" and "Orders". Although they were produced before those episodes they have been retconned to take place after. Matt Seay (talk) 15:16, March 12, 2014 (UTC)

Locked
I've noticed that the admins who have locked this article have done a crappy job of keeping it up to date. The article is missing info from Season Six of the Clone Wars(among other information,) some of the Clone Wars chronology is wrong, it needs Wookiefication, is LOCKED and yet the admins who put the lock there have done nothing. Please either unlock the article or fix it.76.127.239.163 12:04, May 31, 2014 (UTC)