Talk:Revan/Archive3

THE MOST POWERFUL SITH LORD OF ALL TIME
Obviously the candidates for this are Darth Sidious and Darth Revan
 * You know, this is subjective. I approve Revan and understand that many fans of different Jedi/Sith Lords would like to read positive things about their favourites, but understand that this is an encyclopaedia which should be factual. - TopAce 19:55, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't like the "most powerful" part. You would have to pit Sidious and Revan against each others to have a proof.  Sidious probably qualifies for "the most successful" Sith Lord, while Revan is "the best strategist".  They are both powerful in their own rights, but we simply don't have enough material to draw such extreme conclusions.  --DarthMuffin 14:28, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm with DarthMuffin. I really don't like the "most powerful" thing, but maybe two people who are like Revan and Sidious could go against eachother on a roleplay site like an Ag2. We could even do it on my sister's site. ---:Jeedai123 23:04, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Who would be more powerful in the force, Darth Vader(suited)or Darth Revan.

Hey does anyone here know if it is possible that Revan is ancient ancestor of Anakin. - Dark Lord

I would say Revan is in no doubt stronger than the Post-Mustafar Darth Vader. The question is, is Revan nearly as strong as Pre-Mustafar Anakin/Vader was?? My belief is that Revan was stonger than Sidious and not quite as stong as Anakin. And for sticklers like Admiral J. Nebulax, I known that is besides the point, but who do you guys think is stonger, Revan or Pre-Mustafar Vader. LordRevan 02:51, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Whatever you think, no "most powerful Sith Lord" speculation should be included into the article. We have hard time repelling fanboy rant already. - Sikon [ Talk ] 06:23, 26 April 2006 (UTC)


 * I would not flag Revan as the most powerful Sith Lord of all the time, but his actions and power does make him one of the most powerful.Now I haven't read the E.U books so I might be wrong, but Revan in kotor1 on his quest to find the Star Forge with his apprientice Malak, ripped the Rakatan language from "the One" 's mind and taught him Basic using the same method.I think that just this power alone shows his tremendous power.Also as it is written in Revan's page Revan is the only Sith Lord that was not consumed by the dark side, he accepted the Dark Side but did not cause complete annihilation to Republic planets he conquered.Also it should be noted that after Revan was redeemed (cannonical end) he almost single handedly defeated the score of dark jedi and the current Sith Lord of his time in his stronghold.Also the Star Forge was the place where Dark Side was concentrated the most.These feats would make him one of the most powerful Jedi ever in my opinion, if not Sith Lord. [Tantras]3 May 2006
 * Yes and no. Anakin Skywalker is canonicaly the one who have the most Force-potential; he spent merely 13 years of Jedi training and obtain Highest Djem So Mastery and Level 9 swordsmanship, which in his era only 800 years old Yoda & 8x years old Sidious obtain. 13 years of Jedi training and he defeated Dooku's 83 years of training (especially one with Makashi Mastery) fair and square. In terms of combat talent, potential and power, he is better than Revan. And you talked about Revan's objective - well Sion is also a Sith, but he does not seek the rulership of galaxy too. Maul is also a Sith, but he knew nothing other than serving his master. So i dont think this objective stuff mean much. Quinlan Vos always believe he was deeper in the shadow but not dark, but is that true? Darth Kevinmhk 09:51, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree with some of your points.From the films we have strong evidence that the jedi history goes as far as the catalysmic Ruusan war.Yoda says that there is only 2 Sith,one apprientice and a master;however this was implemented by Darth Bane after Lord Kaan used the thought bomb to kill the scores of Jedi and Sith.Even though there is no implying of such an event, the Jedi documents may be incomplete and/or deleted due to the disruption caused by this war.Anakin Skywalker is cannonically the jedi who has the highest concentration of midi-chlorians in the Jedi's archives.However we know that in different times, parts of jedi holocrons were assaulted by the Sith.Also about the duel of Dooku and Anakin,it clearly implies on this website that Dooku's intention was not to kill Anakin,but to turn him to dark side.He would be surrendering to Anakin and then express that he had been shocked by the CIS atrocities and join the Republic at the side of Palpatine.This means that Dooku held back some of his powers in his figth against Anakin, and realized the dire situation too late.(The disbelief in his eyes did show that.)(Besides Makashi,which uses quick and small cuts does not have the kinetic energy back a powerful Djem So user down.Considering techniques Anakin had a fair advantage.) Afterwards Anakin, in his rage lost the battle to his former master on Mustafar; in a way he let the dark side conquer him and blind him,which was not a weakness seen with Revan.Maul was by the way forged by his master to serve him as a slave,in Revan's case we are talking about free-willed individuals who had the power to achieve their ends.You are right about Sion, he did not try to conquer the galaxy with his armies.he continued the way paved by Revan, using the assasins to achieve his ends.Still Sion was striking from the shadows, never starting a full scale war against the Republic. Revan did that and not destroy mindlessly.So objectives (when they show the mental situation of the character) does mean much to fully understand the "villain" at hand.--Tantras 19:55, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
 * (1) of course if the Sith reappear, Yoda would refer to the Sith 1000years ago than the Sith 4000 years ago. (2) Read EP3 novel and you will see Dooku lost fair and square, and he knew it too. (3) The film? Oh the film did not state Dooku plan to seduce Anakin at all. In the film it was Dooku's taunt who trigger Ani to call upon the dark side, which ultimately led to Dooku's defeat. (4) This is a war, in reality there is no real fair fight. Dooku cant freeze himself for years and wait Ani to grow to 83, etc. Dooku chose Makashi, so he must suffer the consequence. That's life. (5) Everyone will make mistakes, even the great ones. Vader made a mistake on Mustafar, Sidious made on Endor and during his resurrection. Revan almost lost his life when Malak betrayed him (as far as i know that part was not Revan's "build up our galaxy" plan. (6) actually... We use npov right? this topic better suit a forum or chat rm. Nice discussion, anyway. Darth Kevinmhk 06:09, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You are right about this discussion taking place in another place but I just wanted to add a quatation from the original wikipedia site of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seven_Forms_of_Lightsaber_Combat. Under the aggressive back stance this sentence is present "Revan's aggresive stance was also used as a deterrent to attackers, keeping as many as 3 Jedi and 27 Republic soldiers at bay." When has this happened? I remember 4 Jedi in the in game cinematic showing the boardin team of Bastila. Has any other Jedi or Sith faced such odds at close range and managed to hold them at bay?--Tantras 20:45, 4 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Never. Trust. Wikipedia. - Sikon [ Talk ] 00:35, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I always hope that fellow Wookieepedians should swarm Wikipedia. Darth Kevinmhk 03:59, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok I edited and deleted the sentece from there.I hope no one finds the change and edits it back again.--Tantras 07:54, 5 May 2006 (UTC)

Darth Sidious Darth Vader Darth Plagueis Darth Revan Marka Ragnos But being more powerful doesn't garantee victory, although it helps. On Mustafar, Anakin should have beaten Obi Wan easily. Sidious was surprised that Vader was defeated. He already saw Anakin's superior skill once allowed to cut loose, but he then realized what went wrong. Anakin was still between worlds, he was torn emotionally. Seeing Obi Wan and thinking Padme betrayed him set him up for being blinded by rage. A crime of passion if you will. Obi Wan saw this and had to gain the advantage. He saw his chance and took it by taking the high ground. There were many things Vader could have and should have done, like Force Grab Obi Wan and throw him into the lava, but, like Maul, he desired to take down his opponent with a lightsaber. Big mistake. Vader's accident was both good and bad for Sidious. Bad because Anakin was not as good as he could be, but good because his injuries weakened him thus it would be a while till Vader could even think of challenging his master. Sidious still viewed Vader as the ultimate apprentice. He sent Vader on missions in order to get him out of his self pity party, and to increase his apprentice's power. He never truly wanted to replace Vader. But when Luke came into the picture, this was a threat to Sidious, as A.) Luke could detroy them both B.) Cause Vader to betray him. While he should worry about Luke, he was more afraid of Vader. Luke was not fully trained, but Vader was ready to usurp control from Sidious, and he had the power to do so. So when Vader and Luke had to fight it was a win win situation with Sidious. If Vader wins Sidious still has his ultimate apprentice, If Luke wins, he has an extremely powerful apprentice, who is young, not mostly cyborg, and could be taught quickly the arts of the Sith. So not only is Sidious the most powerful practioner of the sith arts, but he was possibly the most influencial, and the craftiest. DarthMalus 16:26, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It'd probably, after much research alot of comparisons, and knowledge of the force, the list would look, more or less, like this:
 * First, your long paragraph doesnt focus on Revan at all! Second, how can one rank Plagueis so high as we never saw him? As ppl like to say, Palpy always lies and we are not sure about Plagueis' abilitis/personalty/powers. Third, Marka Ragnos, who appeared only 3 times: telling Naga & Ludo stuff; granting Exar the rank of Dark Lord; fused with Tavion. I dont see what makes him so high on the list. Darth Kevinmhk 16:30, 8 May 2006 (UTC)