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Image
If anyone (I'm looking at you JMAS) can get an image of Asajj from The Clone Wars tv show or movie, I think that should be the main image, after all the movie is G-Canon (I think, it might be TV-Canon.) Jacob Nion   ( Personal Comm ) 23:34, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Please, no. The Clone Wars rendition is a zombie. Drewton  Era-old.png ( Drewton's Holocron ) 00:51, 1 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, Drewton, the dude has a point. This is Asajj's official film picture and we could get a headshot on this one: AsajjVentress TCW.jpg
 * And more importantly, what do you mean she looks like a zombie in this rendition, anyway? She's much more hot that way, man! So how about it, Drewton? *giving puppy eyes*Pretty please, with two lightsabers on top? 131.109.225.3 20:38, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

OK, let me point something out to you all. The infobox image does not need to be G-canon over C-canon. The image needs to be the best looking/quality image of the subject. And I honestly can't decide which is better here. The current image is a good quality comic image of her. Here are two from TCW film which could work for the infobox. Which is better, I'm not decided yet. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 21:02, 4 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Per JMAS, the image doesn't need to be G-canon, which we actually don't know TCW is. 131.109.225.3, look at the trailer. She looks like a half-dead zombie in most shots of it, especially the last one. It looks completely unnatural and cartoon-ish. Almost like comparing the comic version and the cartoon. Drewton  Era-old.png ( Drewton's Holocron ) 01:31, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * We know TCW isn't G-canon; it's T-canon. Anywho, the first TCW image there is creepy in a bad way, but I could still go for it. -- Ozzel 01:39, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't it be G-canon? Since it is first released as a film on the big screen? -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 04:51, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I propose we use the first one. Her head's not reddened by the lightsabers next to her, so that makes it more of an appropriate image. 198.7.229.2 14:17, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You may propose all you like. But do not change the image like that again without discussing it here on this talk page first. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 15:25, 5 August 2008 (UTC)
 * JMAS, see here for the canon status. TCW wasn't meant to be a film, anyway. Drewton  Era-old.png ( Drewton's Holocron ) 01:22, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry. Just got excited, that's all. 198.7.229.2 14:38, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 3D looks childish. While a drawing looks more (yes, I'm going to say it) realistic. It's the very same reason why we opted for Ching's instead of the much more mainstream Clone Wars cartoon series one. And as said before, Ventress was not some weird, ghost/witch, wild Dark Jedi. She had elegance, style, finesse. Ching portrays the tragic, dark, yet elegant, as per the discussions about her in the various sources we have on her much more closely to that. Add to that, Clone Wars movie is already screwing up articles in terms of canon and appearance. It shall not have this infobox. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png (Talk) 22:31, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The Comic book image is more realistic and looks alot better. just because this image of Asajj appears in a movie theater doesn't mean it has to be the new main image. We should keep it the way it is. JediNTT307 03:15, 10 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. Leave the infobox as is. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 03:57, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I love Brian's representation of Asajj and after watching CW trailers I agree that some shots of her in the movie are far from beautiful. And still I vote for the first image (the one on the left) - I think she looks really cool on that poster. Mauser 13:03, 11 August 2008 (UTC)
 * As to her looking like a zombie, maybe. More like she was photo bucket dot com )/albums/bb310/JMAS137/The%20Clone%20Wars/Separatedatbirth.jpg separated at birth. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 13:42, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * To be fair, the current headshot is covered in red. We'd need something to show her in real color. 70.188.129.194 19:22, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Hey! I've found a good one on Google! Take a look at it and, even though CGI's degrading to most of you, let's see if it's good enough to make a headshot:



What do you think? Lord KOT 01:32, September 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * Note Redemption's reasoning. — Milo Fett [Comlink] 15:17, September 12, 2009 (UTC)
 * Per my own reasoning over a year ago. But this time she is facing away from the camera which makes it even more unsuitable. Ventress had elegance to her - before The Clone Wars CGI got done butchering her appearance. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png (Talk) 22:54, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Keep in mind that which interpretation of the character you prefer isn't really a reason—even if the TCW version does make Grand Moff Bertroff Hissa look like a three-dimensional character. And why did they add the mouth tattoos, anyway? — Milo Fett [Comlink] 23:36, September 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * But the comic art is all red, man! Hard to see her blue eyes and white face from there. Lord KOT 02:46, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * If you can find a TCW image anywhere that shows her white face, then we can talk. — Milo Fett [Comlink] 04:15, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Normally, I'd agree with the sentiment of it being all red (and I do sympathize) but as I said before: "Ventress was not some weird, ghost/witch, wild Dark Jedi. She had elegance, style, finesse. Ching portrays the tragic, dark, yet elegant, as per the discussions about her in the various sources we have on her much more closely to that." -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png (Talk) 04:46, September 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, there is Ventress' face on Jedi Trial. That's white enough. Lord KOT 02:53, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * That would be a pretty good image except that it's partially obscured by Anakin's head and the color effects of the cover. It also doesn't especially look like either of the common renderings of her (pre- and post-TCW) which is what most fans know her by. If you could crop it, though, it would be a good addition to the rest of the article. — Milo Fett [Comlink] 03:04, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * I have watched the debate here for some time, and now I want to raise my own opinion. I think that the Jedi Trial image is unsuitable, due the reasons noted above. And about TCW image, the left one above, I hardly can't unterstand the reason why it's called a "zombie". Okay, the right one really shows her like undead, but the other: I think its perfect. The "She is elegant assassin, not a zombie"-lines, which indicates that her appear in TCW is lousy, are completely bull.... I mean untruthful. In the image, she just look angry, that's all. It doesn't make her any less beautiful or "elegant". Just look for the image few seconds: what makes it so unsupportable? Plus, her colors are showed nearly perfectly, some shadows doesn't really matter, just watch the image of Nahdar Vebb. Like I said, I dont really understand why one would call that image zombie-like or childish.--Kreivi Wolter 16:48, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think she looks like a zombie at all. Just hotter in CGI! Lord KOT 20:48, September 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * It should be the first one. Its more clear and focused on her than the actual one. - Lele Mj New_Jedi_Order.svg ( Holoprojetor ) 00:03, May 11, 2010 (UTC)

The Clone Wars timing
Just wondering, how is it that Asajj is still running around looking just fine if this is after Anakin recieved his scar, thus after she fell into Coruscant's underlevels? Shouldn't she be in a bacta tank on Boz Pity and everybody under the assumption that she's dead?

And we can't say this took place AFTER obssession because the clones are still wearing phase I. I dunno, that just confused me throughout the whole movie. Dark Lord Trayus 18:54, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
 * TCW messed up a lot of the continuity, and so a timeline of what "really happened" and in what order needs to be decided on. I'd say to leave mention of Anakin's scar until when he got it in Obsession, since it's a minor detail in TCW. Drewton  Era-old.png ( Drewton's Holocron ) 20:54, 17 August 2008 (UTC)

Just a thought here: we saw Padme's reaction to Anakin's scar twice: on Naboo in Obsession 1, which clearly takes place about 6 months before ROTS, and on Coruscant in Clone Wars Chapter 22, which takes place soon after Anakin's knighthood ceremony. I wonder, could they retcon it so Anakin would be getting the same scar twice? After Greedo case that would not surprise me. Mauser 14:39, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

They better not remake her death in the Obsession Comics. Her ending is great and since it's cutting it really close to the Obsession comics, I'm having thoughts. They already made her different then the way she was, i just hope they won't tamper with already established events. JediNTT307 19:53, 27 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I think the new Clone Wars stuff should be earlier, personally, maybe in between Yavin IV and Growing Obsession. There's no way in hell she should be able to walk, much less fight, in between her fall on Coruscant and her recovery in Obsession. Anakin's scar is a very minor detail in comparison to Asajj's injuries, which required cybernetic replacements that she certainly doesn't have in Clone Wars. InSaneWeTrust 21:42, 26 October 2008 (UTC)

Though I hope they don't classify Obsession as infinites, or something. -RandomBattleDroid
 * It's not impossible to retcon. Maybe in Obsession Padme is reacting to some different scar on his face or some kind of new expression (She just asks what happened to his face), and Anakin "kills" Ventress on Coruscant at the end of "The Clone Wars" show. Or they'll just kill off Ventress permanently and make everything else non-canon... - Milo Fett [Comlink] 16:47, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

A stupid CGI image as a MAIN IMAGE are they THAT nuts!? The Comic version makes her look hot but a poorly modeled CGI image used as a main image? I OBJECT.-Boba fett 32 04:36, February 17, 2011 (UTC)

Affect Mind ability
Since somebody reverted my change, I guess I'll explain it: I haven't seen the film, but the book makes it very clear that Rex resisted Asajj's mind control. So while I'm sure she does have aptitude, the wording makes it sound like she actually took control of Rex's mind. That's why I changed it. InSaneWeTrust 21:39, 26 October 2008 (UTC) Guys, the mind control didn't effect Rex. He just played along so Ventress wouldn't kill him.
 * She more or less did. You must see the film (It's awesome). Also, Television vs Book canon. User:AHS0KA
 * Opinion of the film aside, it shows Rex appear to be controlled. Since the book explains the motivations of the characters in ways the film can't, and says that Rex resisted the mind control, which would have appeared the same to anyone watching from a third-person perspective, C-canon additional information that doesn't conflict with T-canon takes precedence. - Milo Fett [Comlink] 15:17, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Doesn't conflict? Asajj: "You will contact Skywalker" Rex: "I will contact Skywalker" - not mind control??? I'd say that conflicts. User:AHS0KA

Almost definitely not a good place to ask/mention this, but since we are on the topic of affect mind: it seems that she used the ability when Rhad Tarn turned to the Dark Side. He was getting close, and her words may have been compelling, but the sequence and dialogue seemed a bit too similar to other mind trick scenes for me to not try and have it mentioned in her ability section. I know there is no source and only speculation; I know this is not a forum; I would put something myself but it would be taken off; if this seems completely off topic or has no chance of going anywhere, fine. I just wanted the chance to add another instance of her skill to the article if at all possible.--Darth Frayd 03:35, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * No, I'd say it qualifies for a mention here, considering that is an instance of Ventress indeed using a mind trick, and warrants an inclusion in the article. Whoever wrote the section dealing with Ruul did a rather poor job, and it needs a re-write both for quality and accuracy. I'd say good job for bringing attention to this, Darth Frayd. Bella&#39;Mia 03:48, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
 * Thanks.--Darth Frayd 22:03, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Is there any source to suggest that Ventress ever used Jar Kai?
The article gives no source for this statement. We can clearly source her as a (dual saber version) Makashi practitioner from statements made by Luninara Unduli during Star Wars: The Clone Wars s01e09. How do we know that she hasn't always used Makashi? Without any sourcing we can't be sure of anything...User:AHS0KA
 * Seeing as there is no source, I'm going to change it. If someone finds a source, feel free to revert my changes. User:AHS0KA
 * I've learned that Jar'Kai just means two sabers, and that there can be a Jar'Kai version of any style, so I changed it to "A Jar'Kai version of Makashi". However there's still no source on her learning other styles such as Niman, so I've left that out. User:AHS0KA
 * It was actually confirmed in the Clone Wars visual dictionary that she practises Jar'Kai, though it doesn't say anything about Niman. Jensaarai 16:41, 5 June 2009 (UTC)

Anakins scar & Asajj deserting
In what books/comics did it take place?--Tetsu Aero 20:11, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Star Wars: Obsession  Mecenarylord Enter if you dare 20:16, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Ruul & Ohma-Dun
In the article it shows Ohma-Dun before her mission to Ruul. I thought Ruul was first? JediNTT307 21:59, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

What happened to Ventress?
THe question that puzzles me most is what happened to Ventress when she went into hiding. After that, no sources indicate her activites. She just...'vanished'.
 * We don't know, and this page isn't for discussion or speculation on what may have happened to her.  CC7567  (talk) 00:56, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

Jedi Trial headshot
Do you think we could crop an image of Ventress from the Jedi Trial cover? That would be a great new headshot. Actual unanimated photo! 131.109.1.48 16:34, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Missions
I believe that we should add why Ventress was on Ord Cestus and Vjun, beside the fact that she dueled Jedi there. Besides, Tyranus gave sent her to those planets for some reasons. Objectives, even. Hard for me to explain since I'm currently reading The Cestus Deception. Lord KOT 01:13, 28 August 2009 (UTC)

A Jedi?
Ventress was never an offical member of the Jedi Order, despite being trained by Ky Narec. Therefore, should it be listed in her character box that she was part of the Jedi Order?

Confusion about Ruul
In the rule section the second paragraph reads, "Ventress later ambushed Rhad Tarn, whom she saw promise in him, and persuaded him to no be longer a "weak pawn of the Republic."

I am having trouble understanding this sentence. Shouldn't it read ...and persuaded him to no longer be... not persuaded him to no be longer. Its just a stupid jar jar binks robot armchair mistake

please sign your posts with 4 tidles. Ralphjedimaster 01:38, November 13, 2010 (UTC)

'Lord' Grievous
Do we have any established reason as to why she called Grievous "Lord" in Rookies? Does he outrank her? And I thought they were rivals, so why would she be so respectful? -- Mateo22 Seperatist_leadership.jpg Contact 16:41, January 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * Neither of those questions are currently canonically answerable except for that yes, he technically does outrank her.  CC7567  (talk) 01:22, January 20, 2010 (UTC)

Timing of her conquest of Rattatak
While editing the article's "Early life" section, with Star Wars Republic 60: Hate and Fear open in front of me as well, I noticed a potential discrepancy with the article as it currently is. During Ventress's war against the other Rattataki warlords, she's wielding her familiar red-bladed, black-and-silver curved hilt lightsabers. However, this segment of her life is currently being placed before her acquisition of said lightsabers in the old 2D Clone Wars series. In addition, the narration for this portion of the comics states: "She learned new tricks, from other offworlders.", seeming to indicate that her war against the warlords began following her meeting with Dooku in the series. While it's relatively easy enough to re-arrange the article accordingly without creating too large an upset, it's a move I thought best to take to the talk page before making. Does anyone have any thoughts or opinions on the potential change? --Bella&#39;Mia 04:58, April 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * That sounds like the intended implication; sounds good to me. — Milo Fett [Comlink] 05:30, April 12, 2010 (UTC)

Dual-phase lightsabers
Is there any source that lists Ventress's lightsabers as being dual-phased? Or is there any source that mentions Komari Vosa's blades as being dual-phase, as they were originally hers. I base the question on this image, which has a extraordinarily long lightsaber blade, even when taking the camera angle into account. It is most likely that it was just poor designing on the part of the design team for TCW, but I thought I'd pose the question on the off-chance it could be mentioned somewhere. -  JMAS  Jolly Trooper.png Hey, it's me! 15:23, September 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * No mention in the CSWE, anyway. If it's in the novels, I don't remember it. Probably makes the most sense to chalk it up to artistic license (bad design). — Milo Fett [Comlink] 16:28, September 3, 2010 (UTC)

Bald Head
In many sources Asajj Ventress has eyebrows and in The Clone Wars she does not. I am just curious if she canonically has eyebrows. I know it sounds stupid but I am just curious. ---Jackson31195 13:06, September 4, 2010 (UTC)
 * She's also purple in TCW and in the sources she originated from she isn't. T-canon generally overranks C-canon, but not always when it comes to artistic differences, so I don't think we know yet. — Milo Fett [Comlink] 16:19, September 4, 2010 (UTC)

Dathomiri?
The SW website's "Official Data" Clone Cards state that Assajj's homeworld is Dathomir and her species Dathomiri. How are we going to reconcile this new info with her past background? Gry Sarth 14:30, September 14, 2010 (UTC) Maybe her homeworld should be listed as "rattatak (born) LAter dathmoir" or something like that. As it would seem at this point that dathomir is her homeworld via adoption rather than birth. But i personally think it should be left untouched until more definitive details are released. As for her speies being listid dathmorir i wouldnt worry about that dathomiri is more of a culture than it is a species (a culture composed mosslty of humans) i think it should be listed like this "rattataki (dathomiri)" ah but what do i know? ralok 11:04, September 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'd say it's best to wait until it's specifically confirmed what TCW is retconning her backstory to. Yes, the retconned info can be implemented, but replacing that many comic issues with only two bits of info (her homeworld and her species) is going to leave a big hole in everything.  CC7567  (talk) 07:07, September 15, 2010 (UTC)

Pyrokinesis
in clone wars chapter 17, she controls the fire through the force. i think this should be on the powers and abilities section. Ludwigvonkoopa 22:38, September 19, 2010 (UTC)

Markings
In TCW she has purple marks but in everything else, she has black stripes on her head. how are we to reconcile this?
 * In TCW her skin is purple, but in everything else, it's white. Unless canon says otherwise, we assume it's artistic license. — Milo Fett [Comlink] 01:57, November 19, 2010 (UTC)

um whats up with the homeworld issue? i checked this page a few weeks ago and it said her homeworld was Rattatak and now its saying that her homeworld is Rattatak and later Dathomir. could someone shed light on this or is it just what i assume? i assume its the "Geniuses" over at lucas arts who just want to mess up existing cannon like the rest of that entire series.
 * That assumption is correct; there have been a number of changes to canon and right now we're just updating as we learn more. They're not going to explain her new backstory until her story arc in next year's episodes. — Milo Fett [Comlink] 05:16, December 7, 2010 (UTC)

New Asajj Timeline
Those who have seen the Savage Opress screenings know the Ventress timeline is different now. time for some updates (SPOILER ALERT):

This is what we see in the new episodes: It appears that as an infant she was the daughter of a Nightsister who we seeing being forced to give her up to a Siniteen (Same species as Clone Drill Sergeant Bric) with facial tattoos. We are told by Mother Talzin that this was done to protect the Nightsisters but we don’t get anymore explanation. Fast forward a few years and Ventress’ abductor is dead, killed by what looks to be pirates, at which point she uses a force shove on one of them and is spotted and taken in by a Jedi. We have a short training sequence with Ventress and a final clip of her and her master fighting what looks like the same pirates, her master being slain in her arms and her falling to the dark side seeking revenge.

as said twice above, it should not be added until we see exactly what they are retconing her backstory to. and trym to remember to sign your post's with four tidles.Ralphjedimaster 21:27, December 15, 2010 (UTC) You can add what you saw in the episode, but don't assume anything. We don't have a timeline for TCW, so we don't know when this happened. The stuff that just happened in "Nightsisters" could have happened after all the other stuff in the EU. Don't go deleting a ton of stuff assuming it's all been retconned, just stick to what we know for certain. Bri-Jay Waycay 06:20, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Actually the timeline is a bit different, in the new insider, Leeland Chee has retconed it by saying that the Siniteen kidnapper took her to Rattatak as a slave, so it should be noted that most of her origin story from Rattatak remains intact. The Jedi Master you mentioned has been confirmed by Chee to be Ky Narec. It syncs up rather well with the EU User:Revanthereformer1138
 * So should we edit the article? I'm not sure what to delete and change. We should start editing now that the episode has aired, but first we have to know where to start. Scrayer 04:05, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, by all means. Throw this in! :) --The Great and Grand Count Mall!(Bow down before me!) 06:04, January 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * The new Return of the Nightsisters piece was done earlier, however it is written in present tense and has a few other grammatical errors. I don't mean to insult whoever wrote it, but it does need to be touched up a bit. PickleKing 23:00, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that The Clone Wars has obviously retconned the whole "Obsession" comic storyline (or at least a portion of it; I'm not very privy to the EU comics and their significance) with the Nightsisters storyline; Dooku betrayed her, but he couldn't have done it twice as she wouldn't have gone back to serving him. She is with the Nightsisters now, so her disappearing from the war by flying off somewhere in the galaxy effectively never happened. That being said, can we completely remove her Boz Pity story and leave the last part of her bio at the Nightsisters? Or is that too much of a move to be made yet? -- Mateo22 Seperatist_leadership.jpg Contact 21:32, January 11, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest waiting until an official source confirms any sort of retcon.  CC7567  (talk) 03:11, January 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Since the Databank on Starwars.com still make mention of Boz Pity and the mission to search for Ventress (Adi Gallia's entry), why erase it ? Le Passant 13:32, January 17, 2011 (UTC)

left out information
i noticed that several things she did in the clone wars is left out, most notably the Third Battle of Kamino. i am therefore requesting it be updated with the "loose ends" that have been put off to long. Ralphjedimaster 19:56, December 15, 2010 (UTC)
 * Feel free to add the section(s) yourself or put  to the top of the article.  1358  (Talk)  19:27, December 16, 2010 (UTC)