Wookieepedia talk:Community Portal

Categories and Lists
An effort to setup a scheme of categories would be a good way to keep things organized and to promote the development of some areas. Further, we should decide when a list is more appropriate than a category page. For example, a list of Rogue Squadron members past and present might be more appropriate for an automatically populated cateogry page, where a list of Rogue Squadron members during different conflicts/eras would require a manually populated and updated list. --SparqMan 15:57, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Anyone? This is going to develop into a bit of a problem. Do New Republic characters who survived NJO need to have a "GFFA characters" category tag? --SparqMan 11:52, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Race
Could it be mentioned on the Manual of Style that contributors should use 'species instead of 'race'? --Imperialles 17:32, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Well note that we have both species and races on here. That is why the category is named so ("Races and species"). Remember that races are within species. I learned this early on and corrected myself. -- Riffsyphon1024 19:18, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Correct, but race is generally a social construct where physical variations are mixed with culture, history and other non-biological differences. If some alien species was to visit Earth, for example, it is unlikely that humans would be viewed as multiple species. Generally speaking, any place where we might use the term "race" on this wiki would be more suitably served by "sub-species" or "variation". --SparqMan 19:27, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I think it is okay to have both Species and Race, but they would have to be used in the right context. For example, Race: Human is technically incorrect; it should be Species: Human.  But you could have Race: Naboo and Race: Corellian, and in this case to say Species: Naboo would be incorrect. There are also races within the Zabrak, Twi'lek and Aqualish species, to name a few off the top of my head. SeanR 08:43, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * And in the cases of Twi'leks and Niktos, all the colored variations would be considered races, or subspecies of those species. -- Riffsyphon1024 15:34, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I disagree most strenuously. The use of race to discern between groups of humans on Earth was an anthrolopogical anomaly until its use was exploited by those wishing to divide and/or exterminate groups. Most anthropologists and biologists have abandoned its use for taxonomical reasons. It's an anachronism that many cling to as a way of keeping our increasingly unneat world orderly. Translating that to Star Wars, it seems unsupported scientifically to describe Nubians and Corellians are races of humanity. It even lacks the hallmarks of Earth races -- there are few physical consistencies between those groups. -- Further, I do not believe that it would be outlandish to consider Corellian and Alderaanian to be subspecies of humans. The humans on Corellia and the humans on Alderaan have been seperated for over twenty five thousand years. It's hard to believe that they have not adapted and changed. So they are human, but they are not the same. --SparqMan 18:06, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It's also important to note that all modern humans are part of the same subspecies. So "race", if we're using it at all, would properly be used for very small variations within species, while subspecies would be fairly large variations (like the different Nikto types.)  As for Corellian and similar varieties of human, given the flow of people between planets in an interstellar society of long standing, that might only go as far as being an "ethnic group". Silly Dan 22:37, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok so we can separate them into Species, Race or Subspecies, and Ethnic Group. How exactly would we classify near-humans like Lorrdians and Chiss though? -- Riffsyphon1024 22:42, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * As Lorrdians are described as genetically identical to humans, they'd be a race or ethnic group. Chiss, who look quite different from humans, but are identified as near-human mostly because scientifically-minded fans noticed you can clone them from the same equipment you use to clone humans, would probably be a subspecies.  Problem is, too many sources use "race" and "species" interchangably, so we can't just look this up. Silly Dan 23:14, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Then in the case of Lorrdians, Corellians, Nubians, and Naboo, all genetically identical to us humans, they are simply humans with the name of their home planet attached. Then the only difference is culture, as Sparq said. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:30, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Exactly (though I guess we'd put their articles in [:Category: Races and species] for now, unless we decide a sub-category [:Category: Humans and Near-humans] is needed.) Silly Dan 23:37, 9 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Silly Dan, we know nothing of the cloning technology used in the Star Wars galaxy. The same equipment may be used to clone all species. The use of the term race in EU sources is, in most instances, an error. Regardless, the same complexities that rendered "races" useless on Earth are the same in the Star Wars galaxy: can a Wookiee born and raised on Corellia ever be a Corellian? And as pointed out, there was far too much movement, especially amongst the Core and Inner Rim worlds, to keep them defined. For now, all should be species, and the others can be refered to as of human origin.--SparqMan 01:32, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure where you're disagreeing with me on the Chiss, SparqMan. Like I say, calling the Chiss near-human, or a human subspecies, is mostly due to assuming cloning works the same in Star Wars as it does here.  Silly Dan 02:16, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * But then the Chiss didn't originate in the Core Worlds, but in the Unknown Regions. That's makes them pretty alien to humans as we know them. I do like the idea of a subcategory for humans and near humans though. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:36, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * (Could've sworn there were some sources claiming humans might not be from the Core originally...) The main problem I see with a human & near-human category is the possible arguments over what to put in it.  For example, some aliens described as "humanoid" might be classed as near-humans based solely on fanonical inferences.  At least one species, the Zelosians, are described as near-humans even though biologically they can't be related (according to West End Games, they're really some sort of walking plants).  But it would be the best place to put the Bakuran article, or start a Corellian article. Silly Dan 03:04, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I still maintain that the use of Race is okay. Race isn't a biological concept, it is sociological.  In this sense, Naboo and Corellian are different races, brought up with different cultures and traditions.  This concept could at least be termed "Ethnicity" rather than "Sub-species". SeanR 08:47, 10 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, in my mind, race and culture are not the same thing at all. Alderaan and Corellia had very different cultures, what with Alderaanian nonviolance and all, but they were the same race, and the same sub-species. As far as I know, Alderaanians and Corellians look exactly the same. 25,000+ years is more than enough to develop some significant differences, but I would think there would be enough migration to counteract that. While the concept of "race" is steeped in cultural and geographic differences, if someone has no noticeable physical differences and speaks the same language, than they're of the same race, regardless of the geography. It would be like arguing New Englanders and Southerners are a seperate race. They're not, they're just 2 places with different cultures, dialects, and traditions. So, in summary, the use of "race" is ok, but only if the people can actually tell each other apart somewhat, without the use of clothing, dialect or behavior. Subspecies can be used, but only if there are more significant physical differences than most Earth races. After all, we wouldn't want to argue that Lando Calrissian and Han Solo are different subspecies.-LtNOWIS 00:04, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Advertising
Perhaps someone with a user account at either Theforce.net or StarWars.com could post a recruitment thread there? Fresh blood is always needed. --Imperialles 02:30, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I have already posted a thread in Websites at TFN. I also have a link in my signature as wookieepedian1. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:43, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I have a link to SWW, and occasionally repost articles I started on the Star Wars Blogs. Don't know how much it helps, but if some kind of shameless plug for the Wiki is in order I'll see if I can't post something about it on my blog. Shadowtrooper 23:35, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Star Wars swear words
I think it would be fun to compile a list of Star Wars swear words, although such a task is rather daunting - considering my limited collection of EU material. I know some though; sith spit, bantha poodoo, spast (is that a Star Wars cuss word?), eh, I probably know more which aren't coming to mind. -- Falmarin 01:46, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, you can find two here. -- Shadowtrooper 02:18, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * After checking out Theforce.net on the subject, I came across this link; Star Wars swear words, there are quite a few listed here, although no sources. -- Falmarin 02:46, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * There's also various dirty words within the CUSWE at TFN. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:51, 13 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Interesting, I also came across a slang section in the categories on Wookieepedia. Will this some how be conjoined with the Glossary of Common Star Wars Terms? The whole area on Wookieepedia seems quite messy, and I think it would be prudent to wait for things to calm down before I start blindly adding a new section. -- Falmarin 00:44, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I suppose so. They are "common" words, that's what the Glossary is for. -- Shadowtrooper 00:48, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This link might be useful. --SparqMan 17:34, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't some Star Wars swear words vary in species? By the way,  Hi, this is a great wiki! -- DurgeFan
 * Yes, for example: Fas is a Yuuzhan Vong expletive, but it is also used by Jedi to indicate an area was clear of danger
 * Abel Pena is one step ahead of us: A Mouth Like An Intergalactic Princess: Cussing In A Galaxy Far, Far Away! jSarek 19:43, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * jSarek, it's almost as if I had posted that link 13 days ago... ;-) --SparqMan 21:48, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Sigh. I read that. I honestly did.  Somehow, I thought that your link was the link that Falmarin posted.  Whoopsie. jSarek 22:28, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I have moved all the expletives and slang from the Glossary to a new List of phrases and slang article. -- Riffsyphon1024 21:40, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Thanks for both of the links. I used them in adding to the article. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:26, 30 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Star Wars Visionaries
Any one know if the tales in here are considered canon? --SparqMan 14:43, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Some of them are, while some aren't. And Dark Horse doesn't say which ones, how typical... I, for one, hope the Darth Maul one is canon... because I love the bastard. --Imperialles 15:10, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Many will wish that not to be so. Thus we have a canon problem. -- Riffsyphon1024 17:52, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * How can ANYONE not like a red, horned man with robotic ostrich legs? --Imperialles 18:02, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think that is the problem. They look cool and all, but many question his ability to survive a abdominal disection and a who-knows-how-deep a fall he had. -- Riffsyphon1024 18:10, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I have heard it's generally bad for your long term health. --Fade 18:46, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure Maul is unable to come back: the hole he fell done is described in the EpI script as the "melting pit". --Beeurd 09:48, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * That's funny, I question the ability of little green aliens to zip around with laser swords...but suspension of disbelief seems to do the trick for fiction. For all we know, Zabraks are particularly adept at surviving adominal bisection. I just wasn't sure if they were Infinities-esque. Since they don't conflict with any other sources, I can't see a problem. --SparqMan 20:57, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Gee, Sparq, did you have to be so stingy about the correct term? -- Riffsyphon1024 21:24, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I suggest we ask Tasty Taste on the SW.com boards, and hope for an answer. Some of the tales may be Inities-esque. --Imperialles 21:03, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * He's already answered. The ones which are canon are the backstories to Grievous and Durge. QuentinGeorge 21:09, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Excellent, thanks. --SparqMan 17:42, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, this is Tasty's exact quote:
 * The Darth Maul story is non-continuity, the Wat Tambor story is possible continuity as outlandish as it is, the Sidious story is kinda continuity ("from a certain point of view"), the "The Fourth Precept" is anybody's guess, and the "Celestia Galactica Photografica" exists as works of art within continuity. The rest should fit and for the most part you'll know when these are set by reading them.

--Imperialles 21:16, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Audio files
Can we use audio files here? I uploaded one called echuu.ogg, but I don't think it's working. -- Shadowtrooper 19:48, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It worked for me with winamp- "This is Echuu Shen-Jon" --Fade 19:53, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, okay then. One more problem remains, how to put it in the article. -- Shadowtrooper 19:56, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * You can just use a media link. --SparqMan 20:55, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I finally figured it out, thanks. One last thing though, what version of Winamp are you using? *gets embarrased* I can't listen to the files with my Winamp once I've converted them ! -- Shadowtrooper 01:33, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * *checks* Version 5.091 apparently --Fade 10:39, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Multilingual Wiki
Are there/will there be any plans to make this wiki available in other languages? I know the Star Trek people's wiki has at least two languages in addition to English. I know my profile says I speak Japanese, but I can't read or write it very well. On the other hand, I can read and write Spanish and would love to get the chance to translate a lot of this stuff. -- Shadowtrooper 02:25, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I suppose, along the way. Best way to accomplish it is translating a lot of articles, making them subpages of the translated main page subpage of your user page (whew). That's what I'm doing for the Norwegian edition, anyway. --Imperialles 10:36, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wiki-specific namespace
The wiki-specific namespace for this wiki is "Star Wars". This causes some problems: 1) Any article which should be named "Star Wars: NameX" is instead named "Star Wars:NameX" 2) Any article who's talk page should be named "Talk:Star Wars: NameX" is instead named "Star Wars talk:NameX". Would it be possible, practical, and desirable to change the "Star Wars" namespace to "Star Wars Wiki" (or something else better than "Star Wars"). I think that it would be desirable, but I don't know about possible or practical. – Aidje talk 13:51, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I've though of a third problem caused by the "Star Wars" namespace: it affects searches, since that's done by namespace. – Aidje talk 21:48, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It's possible that Angela might be able to help with that. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:41, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * But would other people agree that this would be a good thing to change? I'm hardly an authority to make such a decision on my own. – Aidje talk 03:48, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * How about naming it "Wookieepedia"? It seems that is the most common term, anyway. "Star Wars" has to go. --Imperialles 20:31, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd be all for "Wookieepedia", but I wasn't sure if others would agree since it's not "official".
 * I, for one, have always preferred that name. Gives us a unique identity, instead of being simply "Star Wars Wiki 01", if you catch my drift. Sort of like Memory Alpha. Anyway, a vote should be held--Imperialles 20:44, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Very well. It shall be done. – Aidje talk 20:47, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, one day, we will be completely renamed to Wookieepedia. And hosted by Wikia on wookieepedia.org. A man can dream... --Imperialles 21:21, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Won't a name space of "Wookieepedia: The Star Wars Wiki" be a huge formating issue?
 * I suppose that would be the page title, but the web address would be wookieepedia.wikicities.com and the namespace would be " -- Silly Dan 20:01, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * It's been over a week now. Close the vote? --Imperialles 23:21, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * We can close the vote, but even with more votes for Wookieepedia it hardly seems a significant enough majority for such an important decision. I think a more informed discussion should occur before any changes are made. These has deeper ramifications than simple cosmetics. --SparqMan 00:19, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * The advantages and disadvantages of each name must be carefully analyzed. -- Riffsyphon1024 15:36, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I renamed the section "Other" to "Discussion". If discussion is what we need, let's get to it. :-) – Aidje talk 03:37, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Vote to change the wiki-specific namespace
Let's vote on this. We can talk to Angela about it when we've come to a consensus. – Aidje talk 20:47, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Change to "Wookieepedia"

 * 1) 	For --Imperialles 20:49, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) 	For. See discussion above for my reasons. – Aidje talk 20:50, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) 	For Silly Dan 21:17, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) 	For It's a dream, hopefully it won't FUBAR the tech side of things.--Eion 21:32, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) 	For Hopefully it won't muck up Google hits --Fade 21:34, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 6) 	For. I use "Wookieepedia" more than SWW, since its not quite a mouthful, and is a play on Wikipedia. Credit to WhiteBoy for coming up with the term Wookieepedia. The full title (not being used on these particular userspace pages, but in recognition) should be Wookieepedia: The Star Wars Wiki. Btw, has anyone noticed that we are usually the highest Google hit when we're the only ones with certain information? -- Riffsyphon1024 23:26, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 7) 		For		—	— Ŭalabio 01:47, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 8) 	For. I too think it should be Wookieepedia: The Star Wars Wiki.  That way we get hits either way.  Wookieepedia is just more creative and fun as a name.  Star Wars Wiki is just boring in comparison. SeanR 09:23, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 9) For (changed my vote, just to be awkward) --Beeurd 09:40, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 10) For Good parallel to Wikipedia -- Lord Patrick 23:46, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * 11) For It's easier to remember Kuralyov 00:15, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Change to "Star Wars Wiki"

 * 1) For. This title will bring in significantly more traffic than "Wookieepedia", and what we need is more inflow. A group of 10-12 active contributors does not a good Wiki make. It's also more professional sounding. --SparqMan 17:40, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I would like to add that "Wookieepedia" is more likely to be spelled wrong. --SparqMan 02:38, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * 1) For. Makes sense, certainly anyone looking up star wars information will not immediately recognize "Wookieepedia." -- Falmarin 18:21, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 2) I'm actually For this as well, for the reasons those two gave^. I'm happy with either. --Fade 18:34, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 3) For. If only for the search engine traffic.  Though I also kinda like Aidje's idea (see below). -- Shadowtrooper 22:04, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 4) For. "Wookieepedia" might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard. --[[User:Prime|Prime|undefined]] 03:38, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 5) For It's better for attracting new fans to the site (see Shadowtrooper's comment about searching), though Wookieepedia is a cool name --Darth Mantus 11:58, 18 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 6) For Having our own name is cool, but I think Star Wars Wiki would be easier to find, and it is more obviously a Star Wars Wiki. --Beeurd 00:58, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Discussion

 * Comment: I think that the best form for a name would be "UniqueName: The Descriptive Part", such as "Wookieepedia: The Free Star Wars Encyclopedia". That would be the form used by Wikipedia, by the way ("Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia". Wikipedia actually does it like this, now that I look back: "Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia". This form would give us "Wookieepedia, the free Star Wars encyclopedia"). Anyway, we're not actually voting on the name of the wiki.– Aidje talk 21:22, 15 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * To everyone voting "Star Wars Wiki" with the reason that it would be easier to find and/or recognize what it was: See what I said above. A sub-name would explain what we were, as well as help Google find us. I believe Riff also mentioned that good info brings hits as well, not just a descriptive name. Besides that, notice that the name of our beloved compendium of human knowledge is "Wikipedia" rather than just "Free Encyclopedia". How lame would that be? There is something to be said for a unique name, and Wookieepedia is certainly more unique than "Star Wars Wiki"... besides the fact that it's a ripoff of "Wikipedia", that is. "Wookieepedia" gives us a nice "brand name recognition" factor of sorts. Imagine if "Linux" was "Free Operating System", or if "Microsoft" was "Big Software Corporation", or if "Google" was "Very Complete Search Engine". People like having names rather than just descriptors. – Aidje talk 03:34, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Bravo, Aidje. My thoughts exactly. --Imp 09:53, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Ripoff? It's a great play on words. Would you like to copyright it now or wait until someone tries to rip us off? -- Riffsyphon1024 11:43, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Riff, I didn't mean it in a pejorative sense at all; I'm sorry if it appeared that way. I use it only in the sense it is "clearly imitative of or based on" the name "Wikipedia". That's definition 4 on Answers.com. I did not mean to imply any of the other three definitions. It was merely a side statement noting that the name is not technically 'unique' since it is in fact derived directly from something else. I agree that it's a great play on words. – Aidje talk 22:24, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It's ok, Aidje, don't overanalyze it. But you know whos a real ripoff of Wikipedia? Answers.com. :) -- Riffsyphon1024 04:07, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I thought... oops *stops analyzing* Answers.com is only a ripoff of Wikipedia when it's serving Wikipedia content; at other times it rips off a lot of other informational sites, which apparently makes it that much better. :-) It makes a good info-junction anyway. Well... back on topic; any comments from the "Wookieepedia" nay-sayers? – Aidje talk 04:31, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Comment: I'm not convinced, based on experience, that good information will bring in hits, and therefore users and a better experience for all. Page title continues to be the most important part of the Google PageRank system after links, which we have few of (and for which there are few worthwhile opportunities). That aside, while I like Aidje's idea for "Wookieepedia, the free Star Wars encyclopedia", it would clearly be too long for the namespace. If a few users want to call this the "Wookieepedia", that's fine, but I find it prone to spelling errors, not particularly funny/interesting nor attractive. While a descriptive name is helpful, few are going to use it at full length. If I have to choose between calling our work, in short, the "Wookieepedia" or the "Star Wars Wiki", I'll go with the latter as it immediately conveys what it is with no further explanation. --SparqMan 21:42, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Once again, I never suggested "Wookieepedia, the free Star Wars encyclopedia" as a namespace. In response to the rest of your comment: I would argue that anyone who knows what a Wookiee is would figure out what 'Wookieepedia' meant, and if it causes someone to learn how to spell 'Wookiee' properly, so much the better. – Aidje talk 23:57, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I think about how Memory Alpha gets recognized. Anyone not familiar with it would not know it was a Star Trek Wiki. How exactly did they deal with this issue? Shall someone lead some Bothan spies on a covert operation into the lair of the Kirk? -- Riffsyphon1024 00:01, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Apparently, they haven't had any problem being recognised, as I can find no debate on the name after a two-hour search. It seems they are instantly recognised by Star Trek fans. I'm guessing, however that we want to attract more people than just the hardcore fans. Most people would recognise "Wookieepedia" as a Star Wars encyclopedia, but they would also misspell it quite often. Other names should be considered as well, for example "Holonet", which is an in-universe equivalent to the Internet. --Imp 20:39, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Suggestion: Since there have been no votes for the name to stay as "Star Wars", we can at least change it temporarily to Star Wars Wiki. I really want to start correcting articles soon. --Imp 21:27, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Letter box images
When uploading screen captures, please trim any black letter box surrounding the image, if there is any. --SparqMan 05:05, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Uh... I think I've done that on occassion (what you're asking that we not do). I agree with your request, and I'll try to remember to fix such images in the future. In fact, I think I'll go back and check some of my previous uploads. – Aidje talk 00:29, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm getting annoyed with myself: I seem to have thrown out the original PNGs, so now all I have to work with is the JPEGs. Argh. – Aidje talk 00:43, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Community portal talk header
I've modified a template for talk pages for use on top of this page. The text could use a little improvement, I know.

At least it's better than what we use now. Any thoughts? --Imp 10:35, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It looks good. I agree that maybe a text edit is needed. -- Riffsyphon1024 11:41, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Why is that necessary? This place is going template crazy. --SparqMan 12:24, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It's not necessary, it just looks better. And it's not a template either, just HTML code hosted on a separate subpage to not clutter up the talk page. --Imp 12:26, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I think it's ace; thumbs up from me. -- Falmarin 02:36, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The Plo Koon page
There's one joker (IP 69.118.146.112) that keeps adding to the article that Plo Koon survived Order 66, without anything to back up his claim. As far as I can tell, he's done it at least three or four times already. Is there any way to IP block him (or whatever punishment you feel is necessary)?
 * We'll get the page locked. PS. You need to sign your posts, StarNeptune. QuentinGeorge 04:36, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Oops... :) Anyway, good to hear the problem is taken care of. StarNeptune 04:45, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Improvement drive
I propose we hold a weekly improvement drive, similar to the one on Wikipedia. Each week we nominate and vote for articles that need much improvement. The article with the most votes is selected as "this week's improvement drive". An article nomination would need 2 votes per week to stay on the list of nominees. Any thoughts? This would shorten the list of Doomed articles. --Imp 12:42, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a good idea, although recently 65.79.196.89 has been deleting the "doom" tags without contributing to the articles. I think that your idea will indeed help to renovate articles which would be EASY with a team effort (such as the Lando Calrissian page). -- Falmarin 03:41, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Make sure there's someone who is willing to update that weekly. -- Riffsyphon1024 04:34, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I can update it. At least when I get back from vacation. I've done some work for Wikipedia's improvement drives and know the system --Imp 05:51, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Good idea. Articles should be nominated and put through a quick decision process (one that would grow more lengthy as the project grows). --SparqMan 04:34, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Any forward movement on this? --SparqMan 23:40, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I'll create it when I get to a computer with an actual mouse (on Monday). --Imp 19:29, 14 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Placement of templates
I've noticed that a number of articles from SWW that turn up in Google have their first few lines of content overshadowed by a template box. For example, here is what appears when Lorth Needa comes up:
 * Lorth Needa - Star Wars
 * Lorth Needa. Homeworld, Coruscant-he is a clone. Species, Human. Gender, Male. Height, . Hair Color, Brown. Eye Color, Bluish-green ...

Can we prevent this? --SparqMan 21:45, 28 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * First off, how is Needa a clone? -- Riffsyphon1024 19:23, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * He's not. That was corrected but not updated in Google yet. --SparqMan 20:33, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It now appears the first lines of text from Google are
 * Lorth Needa (? - 3 ABY) was a fleet officer in the Galactic Republic and Imperial

... Needa was a veteran command officer, having served in the Galactic ...
 * Was this fixed, or did Google fix itself?--Eion 09:25, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)

List articles
Shouldn't all list article be titled in the form "List of X", where X is the subject listed? So we should have "List of planets" as opposed to "Planets", and "List of moons" as opposed to "Moons", and so on. Right now we have a mix of these two title formats. – Aidje talk 19:00, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Well I guess you can blame me for that format, which I developed back at Wikipedia when making them (however I wasn't the author of the planets list). -- Riffsyphon1024 19:24, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * So this is a remnant of the old "Planets of Star Wars" format, it's just minus the "of Star Wars" for wookification? I tried moving the planets list but the wiki wouldn't let me because "List of planets" has been edited because of double redirects. – Aidje talk 19:36, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia Animate
For those who use Firefox and Greasemonkey, you should checkout Dan Phiffer's Wikipedia Animate script. It works on all MediaWiki sites (including this one) and it loads of fun. Read this for some background information on Waxy.org's bounty for a Wikipedia revision history animator. --SparqMan 14:32, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)

We should use true Roman Numerals in movie-titles
I have an idea: Why do not we use true Roman Numerals in the names of movies like?:


 * 1) Star Wars Episode Ⅰ:  The Phantom Menace
 * 2) Star Wars Episode Ⅱ:  Attack of the Clones
 * 3) Star Wars Episode Ⅲ:  Revenge of the Sith
 * 4) Star Wars Episode Ⅳ:  A New Hope
 * 5) Star Wars Episode Ⅴ:  The Empire Strikes Back
 * 6) Star Wars Episode Ⅵ:  Return of the Jedi

True Roman Numerals would be nice. — — Ŭalabio‽  01:10, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)


 * besides making for ugly URLs, I don't see any reason not to.--Eion 01:30, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * ¿Would the URLs be ugly? Safari represents the octets of UTF-8 as the Roman Numerals.  As for people manually typing the URLs and accidently using the letters i and v, we can just leave redirects where the articles are. — — Ŭalabio‽ 02:31, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * It's a pain to type. That's the main reason I can see.  -- Silly Dan  01:37, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * In my OS  (Mac OS Ⅹ)  one finds the option in the menu  “Edit”  called  “Special Characters”  which causes a  “Character-Palette”  to appear. One can browse the various Unicode-Blocks  (the Roman Numerals are in  “Number-Forms”).  I am certain that all good OSes have this feature and one can get this as freeware for Microsoft-Windows.    (¿Did Ŭalabio just exclude Microsoft-Windows as a good OS?  ;-)    This is much more easy than memorizing the hexadecimal values for all of the characters in ISO-10646.  —  — Ŭalabio‽ 02:31, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * All that just to get a Roman numeral, when we can just type out the letters? Not worth it at all, in my opinion, especially since it will perpetually lead to redirects when people try to link to the films in their articles, because no one would actually use a special character for this.  jSarek 21:25, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * The URL for EPI appears as
 * http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Episode_Ⅰ:_The_Phantom_Menace


 * in IE. I don't doubt the effectiveness of redirects, was just pointing out what I saw as the one snag. Whether or not Windows is a good OS by your limited definition, it is a popular one, and something that is difficult to do is difficult to implement as a standard.--Eion 09:16, 2 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Well I can't see these things, so I'm not for it. I am using IE and will not switch just to be able to view roman numerals, when people can use I's and V's. Not really hard to do. -- Riffsyphon1024 00:19, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * ¿Do you see any outside characters outside of ISO-646 such as “Curly Quotes” or the description of this system?:

0 ☼ Ⅰ ☿ Ⅱ ♀ Ⅲ ♁ Ⅳ ♂ Ⅴ ♃ Ⅵ ♄ Ⅶ ♅ Ⅷ ♆ Ⅸ ♇

I guess WookieePædia is not yet ready for Roman Numerals. — — Ŭalabio‽ 05:41, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC) I use Roman Numerals for numbers except for 0 because 0 does not exist in Roman Numerals:
 * I can only read the sun's symbol, Venus's and Mars's. -- Riffsyphon1024 08:51, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm using Mozilla Firefox 1.0.4 and still only see those three, myself. jSarek 21:25, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm using Firefox w/Windows XP, can see all of them, but think I, II, III, etc., look better in the default font. -- Silly Dan  21:34, 3 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I am using Firefox 1.0.4 on WinXP and see it just fine. But as has been illustrated already, it's not readable by many people.  In web design, you need always keep in mind how many people you will be cutting out of your audience when you want to try something cool.  Plus those URL's would be a killer!  :p  WhiteBoy 03:08, 4 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't think anyone mentioned this yet, but people searching for things are not going to bother typing a special character. --Beeurd 23:37, 4 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Exactly my reasoning. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:38, 4 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't see anything but squares. - Sikon 14:13, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I made the example bigger and bolder. ¿Does that help? — — Ŭalabio‽ 00:07, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * No, still squares. Everything I can see is 0. - Sikon 01:27, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * This is what you do not see:

	0	 	Sol	 	1	 	Mercury	 	2	 	Venus	 	3	 	Earth	 	4	 	Mars	 	5	 	Jupiter	 	6	 	Saturn	 	7	 	Uranus	 	8	 	Neptune	 	9	 	Pluto	

Every planet in the solar system Sol has a symbol in Unicode. Sol is 0 because it is the  base  of the solar system Sol. — — Ŭalabio‽ 03:10, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * All this unicode text jibba-jabba just strikes me as pointless showing off.--Spanky The Dolphin 08:19, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Walabio, stop this space wasting effort. I cannot see a damn thing, and neither can anyone else using an English keyboard. Your idea is flawed and cannot be put to use. And please, fix all these spaces. -- Riffsyphon1024 09:38, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. A pointless idea. What would we gain? Nothing. We'd lose readable URLs and the ability for people to find pages via Google. QuentinGeorge 09:46, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, for the record, I can see everything fine, but I still think it's worthless bullshit and just amounts to Ualabio showing off his m4d un!c0d3 skillz.--Spanky The Dolphin 18:22, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Templates for deletion?
There are a few templates that need something done with them. For instance, Category:Articles to be merged shows duplicate templates: Template:Mergedisputed and Template:MergeDisputed, Template:Mergeto and Template:Merge-to

Should there be a templates for deletion page, similar to one in Wikipedia? - Sikon 14:11, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * These templates can be kept because not everyone will remember how each one is activated and may use another form of the code (capitalized D instead of lowercase, both will still work). -- Riffsyphon1024 00:41, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Story arcs
Can someone explain to me the need for story arc articles? It seems to me that, if we already have separate articles explaining the plot for each issue of each comic series, there's no real point in making another one that combines the plot of several issues into one article. MarcK 08:08, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, it groups them all up neatly together. I can personally see how that would come in handy. By the way, how on Earth are you doing all these comic entry updates and additions so fast?--Spanky The Dolphin 08:21, 8 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Not many people know this, but I'm a ninja. Also I keep several pages (such as Dark Horse's official previews) open at the same time, plus templates make things even swifter. I'm guessing that's what most others do as well. --Imp 15:30, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I try to peel away story arc descriptions as much as possible. It's frustrating to see descriptions of ROTS in articles about a shuttle craft. Some snippets are required for context, but the rest can mostly be pushed into an "Appearance" listing as long as proper wikilinks and "For more information see..." mentions are in place. --SparqMan 08:15, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Spoiler
When do we plan to eliminate the ROTS spoiler warnings? At the one-month mark? --SparqMan 20:43, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * One conservative position would be to leave them up until the DVD is released, and maybe a couple weeks afterwards. In many cases, we'd want to replace them with the regular spoiler templates anyway.   -- Silly Dan  20:59, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I was under the impression that once the ROTS spoilers were done away with we were going completely spoiler-warning free with a general warning on the front page under the assumption that users look up (or click on wikilinks) with the intention of learning above the topic. Perhaps an exception would be articles about sources. --SparqMan 23:53, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Force categorization
I've thrown together a diagram of a categorization structure I would like to see implemented. I'd like to hear what others think of this categorization scheme. The diagram can be viewed at Image:Force categorization.png. I can update the diagram with suggestions if necessary. – Aidje talk 15:06, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Dia is a wonderful app. I should use it for the military categorization structure. The structure looks good to me so far. How would you connect Force powers connected to a specific sect? Also keep in mind that many unaligned items (holocron, lightsaber) are limited to the Jedi and Sith. Other Force-related organizations and sects are not connected to them. --SparqMan 16:11, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I suppose there could be sub-categories of Category:Force powers that were sect-specific, though I had avoided this because of apparent contradictions between various elements of canon, such as inconsistencies between video games. – Aidje talk 16:38, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I am aware that there are some items that are specific to the Jedi AND Sith, but I couldn't come up with a simple solution to that problem. Any ideas? – Aidje talk 16:38, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Given that the Jedi/Sith school of Force learning is the most commonplace, it would not be unreasonable to keep them in the general Force category. --SparqMan 19:45, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Aidje, the diagram looks very good and gives me an idea of where we are going. -- Riffsyphon1024 17:33, 12 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Looks like a pretty solid plan; I have no critiques of it I can immediately see. jSarek 08:09, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * How long should I wait before implementing this structure? I know consensus is good, but what exactly is a consensus in this case? (I think that we could wait to sort out the minor issues brought up by SparqMan&mdash;beginning the implementation shouldn't complicate the resolution of either of those issues.) – Aidje talk 21:03, 13 Jul 2005 (UTC)