Talk:Barriss Offee/Legends

Death
Barriss Offee was blasted on Felucia? I don't recall seeing her with Aayla Secura and Commander Bly. Was that in the novelization? --SparqMan 11:49, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Question: With the Season 5 finale of the Clone Wars cartoon, Barriss Offee is found guilty of terrorism and multiple counts of murder against the Jedi, the Grand Army of the Republic, and the Senate. She clearly had fallen to the dark side as she not only felt her terrorism and murder was justified, she tried to frame her best friend Ahsoka Tano to cover her tracks. With this relevation, how on Earth could Barriss be fighting with the GAR on Felucia??? Wouldn't she be rotting in a Republic prison until her trial and execution (NB: Tarkin wanted to execute Ahsoka during her trial)? There is no way the Jedi or Senate could have forgiven Barriss because her actions occurred in the late stages of the war (i.e. no time to let water flow under the bridge) and the Senate + general populace would have demanded her to be exiled from the Jedi Order and be put on trial like Ahsoka Tano and Tarkin/Palpatine would again seek the death penalty to erode the public prestige of the Jedi. George Lucas is responsible for the Season 5 finale in the credits, so we have to consider this episode as canon. I don't think there is ANY way this discrepancy can be retconned or explained away. It's impossible for Barriss to have died on Felucia AND to have committed those acts of terrorism: one or the other has to be declared non-canon in order to make sense and provide a meaningful way of explaining her death. 121.214.149.202 10:41, March 5, 2013 (UTC)

It's in my brother's comic (which contains many deleted scenes) so it's probably official. It also has other scenes that were described in the online screenplay but didn't make it into film (such as Vos) --Fade 12:09, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Which comic is it? The ROTS one? Interesting that Offee stayed on Felucia after being rescued by Bly and Secura. --SparqMan 12:53, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * photo bucket dot com )/albums/v119/Made2Fade/cover.jpg; that's the cover photo bucket dot com )/albums/v119/Made2Fade/death.jpg; that's the panel. She doesn't appear to have those odd tattoo things, though, but the clothes seem to indicate it's her. (Dodgy webcam quality, I know) --Fade 13:05, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It's Offee, we see a similar scene in Reversal of Fortune. She stayed on the planet to help prevent Shu Mai's scheme to commit genocide on Felucia. Tam 18:54, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)


 * Hm. In the movie, someone is blasted by an AT-TE (I don't recall who, may have been Offee), but it wasn't on Felucia. I think that was just that panel below the Secura one. --SparqMan 14:19, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't remember anyone wiped out by an AT-TE in the movie, only Aayla, Mundi, Koon, Zett and a bunch of other nameless Jedi dying. There are TE's in the background in the Aayla scene, though --Fade 14:27, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Prolly Obi-Wan, who gets blasted by Cody's AT-TE. Tam 18:54, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)

DVD? Oh, there are 2 different death scenes of barris. One is in Reversal of Fortune, the other in Star Wars episode 3. Wich one is canon?--wattamb2000 and barriss was a great healer so she maybe even used those healing skills to prevent her death? how do we know that it's canon? and in the image of her death scene in the comic it looks like she jumped so many questions so little answers
 * It's the same death scene. They're both canon. And stop asking these inane, rubbish questions. QuentinGeorge 12:57, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Found it out, Reversal osf Fortune is Canon, found it out on the battle of felucia article--wattamb2000
 * what if she survived? i mean... quinlan vos survived, and he was shot by an AT too!
 * i seriously doubt that Barriss survived, as it was shown in the star wars ROTS dictionary that she did die with Aayla on Felucia...i believe that is what u would call canon.... - Master Sage
 * If it's a licensed Star Wars source (which yes, it is), it's canon. Additionally, other sources have confirmed her death.  CC7567  (talk) 18:51, April 15, 2010 (UTC) let me ask you two things, do you like her character? how do you know that it's licensed? TELL ME THE TRUTH

BirthDate
Where does this birthdate come from? It makes her younger than Anakin, which I don't believe is the case. Is it from The Approaching Storm or the Medstar Duology? QuentinGeorge 23:23, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * It says in The Approaching Storm that Anakin and Barriss are around the same age.StarNeptune 08:42, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Sloppy continuity

 * After traversing through all four Visual Dictionaries, I've found some rather sloppy continuity: namely, the fact that the Mirial Barriss Offee is identified as having Chalactan tatoos on her face (I've added this to the front page). What gives? Is Chalacta a religion now? Cutch 05:21, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope...it's just as you said - sloppy continuity. QuentinGeorge 05:23, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
 * ... and we have to deal with it, or retcon it, or whatever. Cutch 05:28, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Lightsaber style
OK it says she is a master of Form III. But in her main picture you can see her in stance of form IX with the horizontal lightsaber. can we find another pic or change the info? JediLibrarian66 21:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * According to the ROTS Visual Dictionary, that stance she is using in the picture is called Kai-kan. The MedStar Duology specifically names her as a Form III practitioner.  StarNeptune Talk to me! 00:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

knighting
wasnt she promoted to Jedi knight in Clone Wars. I'm reading Medstar now, but i thought she was a knight by that time... Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) 17:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

Slightly unorthodox view of the force
Should the article mention Barriss' seemingly unorthodox view of the Force? In Jedi Healer, Barriss says that "light side" and "dark side" are only words, and that the force itself is neither good nor evil. This point of view seems very similar to the Potentium and "Gray" views of the force and seems unorthodox compared to the traditional Jedi view. Her view of the force seems much closer to the potentium and gray jedi views than the traditional view. Additionally, Barriss said that power alone doesn't corrupt, but instead fuels the corruption the already exists in a person, an idea that seems very similar the potentium view that light and dark sides resided in the individual, not the Force itself. Is Barriss somewhat unorthodox view worth mentioning in the article? 141.154.188.192 23:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Various continuity
The current article states that "Barriss remained in partnership with her former Master until the end of the Clone Wars", which we know isn't true. The official Databank says that "Offee and Unduli often operated separately during [the Clone Wars], such as when Unduli was stationed on Kashyyyk and Offee on Felucia. I am not a splendid editor myself, which is why someone else should correct this as soon as possible.

Also, why is there no reference to her being stationed on New Holstice (as shown in Clone Wars Volume 3: Last Stand on Jabiim), serving as a healer? Someone please add this to the article. grobiano

dudes
i think she was cool!!!and ahh..she died and i was thinking she was one step closer to be ranked a Jedi master (well to me because she was a gifted padawan to her master) and yet she must be her good student a sister daughter figure to her-Boba fett 32 03:48, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

The Clone Wars
I know that she was mentioned to be on Geonosis during the clone wars in Cloak of Darkness, but is there any source that she appears in season Two? Cad Bane Owns 19:25, October 10, 2009 (UTC)User: Cad Bane Owns
 * There is now: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/33507491#33521328 And she's clearly referred to as a padawan. Is that right? Gry Sarth 19:57, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

No powers and abilities or personality and traits
The writers have done no proper description of Barriss' powers and abilities or her personality and traits. They've mentioned some stuff about these things here and there in the biography but they haven't put a section on her personality or her abilities.
 * Then you're welcome to make an account yourself and edit it if you think you can do a better job.  CC7567  (talk) 23:39, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Knighthood
was she a padawan when she teamed up with Ahsoka or a knight. I know that Luminara called her her padawan. but that could just be from where she was her padawan. obi-wan stilled called anakin his padawan from time to time after his knight hood
 * Padawan, according to the episode guide. We can assume that MedStar (which shows her becoming a knight) takes place after this episode. Also, please sign your posts with four tildes. (~) Zakor1138 23:48, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Conflict?
Just what is the conflict between Chapter 14 and The Clone Wars? Zakor1138 23:50, November 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * There are timeline discontinuities between the two series'. Minxy 20:33, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Really? Was it stated in Chapter 14 that Barris became a knight? Just cause Luminara said "your training is complete" doesn't mean that she is knighted. It could mean that her lightsaber training is complete. Zakor1138 20:10, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * Barriss was still a Padawan in MedStar, which is still almost universally accepted as taking place well after the events in Chapter 14 or the TCW episodes. She is still a Padawan. Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith  -Just shy, not antisocial: You can talk to me!- 18:27, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
 * In other words, "There is no conflict!"  Mauser  Comlink 12:17, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * Wait a minute&hellip; the Star Wars Miniatures Ultimate Missions: Clone Strike book confirms that Luminara's statement, "Your training is complete." did, in fact, refer to her Jedi training. Quote from page 76: "But as fate would have it, Jedi Master Luminara Unduli has brought her Padawan Barriss Offee to Ilum to complete her training. As Luminara recites the Litany of the Lightsaber to her Padawan, Barriss Offee uses the Force to assemble her lightsaber. With a characteristic snap-hiss, she activates the lightsaber she has built, and her training as a Jedi is complete." (emphasis added) &mdash; Master Jonathan New Jedi Order.svg ( Jedi Council Chambers ) 16:25, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Yup completed training, however completed training does NOT equal being a jedi knight. You still got the trials to go through,. And what exactly does "completed training" mean, does it mean that she has mastered the very basics in understanding the force? What part of her training was complete. This is just one o those examples of people triyngto create continuity errors were tehre are none to further hate on the clone wars. IF you are going to hate something, hate it for good reasons. Like hate me because i talk in paragraphs, and dont know how to use a shift key ralok 01:39, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

It's a similar situation to what Qui-Gon Jinn said to the council about Obi-Wan. "There is little more he can learn from me". With that in mind, we can just assume that Barriss Offee has just learned all she can from Luminara, the reasoning behind why she says that her training is complete perhaps? That's how I review the situation. Masters can believe that they successfully trained a padawan, however they must go through the trial process, for the council to allow a padawan to be knighted. --JimminyTi 21:08, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Flip-Flopped Articles?
In the article,it puts Bariss becoming a Knight on Ilumm in between the first and second battles of Geinosis. In the Clone Wars series however,she is shown as a padawan in the second battle of Geinosis. Should the articles be switched or left like they are? When you put it that way,I have to agree.
 * She doesn't become a Knight on Ilum, so there's no problem. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 22:56, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

More Pictures?
Just wondering if we should put more pictures of Barriss in her article. I will do that if you guys think it is okay! User:Carrieunderwoodfanforlife 21:48, July 15, 2011

Category:Padawans?
I was wondering, would it make any sense to make a category like this for characters who are primarily exposed to us as Padawans, like Barriss and Ahsoka are? I guess it might be overkill since all Jedi were once Padawan (so we'd have to tag Anakin, though not Vader) but it seems like it might be useful or something. Ty 17:55, August 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * It would be overkill in this case&mdash;even though characters may be "primarily exposed" as Padawans, we still describe them in their final role, which is usually a Knight or Master.  CC7567  (talk) 21:12, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

Lightsaber
So i am reading medstar II now, and in it BArriss says that she has kept her lightsaber since she built it at the age of 16. Which equals a conflict with the Clone Wars episode on Ilum. Any thoughts?--Tetsu Aero 13:39, October 4, 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe Leland Chee mentioned this conflict in an entry for Ask Lobot, though he didn't provide a resolution to the conflict.  CC7567  (talk) 02:51, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

NickName
Is it important to note the nickname "Dependable Barriss that Ahsoka gave her? Like how it mentions that Anakin is called Annie by his Mom and Padme. Matt Seay (talk) 19:49, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Wait until Saturday
I know there's good evidence that Barriss is behind the temple bombing, but until it is revealed explicitly, please don't edit the article to say that she was—at least for now, that's still fanon. Tomari7 (talk) 04:13, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * There is no need for this. The article is now semi protected against anon IP vandalism.  JangFett  (Talk) 04:15, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Changes in light of "The Wrong Jedi"
I'm not going to detail any spoilers from "The Wrong Jedi," but in light of that episode, it appears as though all material regarding Offee in the timeline directly leading into ROTS will no longer be considered canon, as was the case with Adi Gallia and Star Wars: Obsession, and Even Piell and Coruscant Nights I: Jedi Twilight. However, I ask that until we know how to treat the old information, that major changes not be made to the article. Leland Chee will probably release a statement somewhere to clean up the mess, so we need to have patience and wait until then before we make an even bigger mess.  CC7567  (talk) 12:51, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Since we already have the case of Quinlan Vos, I truly think that, with a (quite bad) retcon, there is always possibility for her to return to the Order. With all the hypocrisy that come along with.--Le Passant (talk) 14:20, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually from the series Quinlan Vos never joined the CIS, and since Barriss is not mentioned or seen in ROTS, then they can change her fate&mdash;so it's very unlikely that she'll return to the Jedi Order. We'll just have to wait for later sources to explain this discrepancy.  Darth Pythonis  CIS roundel.svg (Talk) 19:27, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * There is nothing in TCW about Vos that exclude his previous background.--Le Passant (talk) 22:17, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Someone asked on Leland Chee's Facebook page about the issue, and Chee clarified that nothing in the episode showed she wasn't still a Padawan. It therefore seems prudent to assume that the MedStar novels take place before the Season Five finale and can still be considered canon, but there isn't any word about what to do about Reversal of Fortune, specifically her tutelage of Zonder.  CC7567  (talk) 00:33, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

I'm wondering, should she have "Dark Jedi" added to her affiliation as happened with Pong Krell? The article even says that she fell to the Dark Side. 138.87.141.18 05:02, March 3, 2013 (UTC)


 * So, how do we source the link? I'd use FacebookCite, but there are multiple posts on there, so I can't just go with that route. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:34, March 3, 2013 (UTC)