Wookieepedia:Requests for user rights/RFA archive/Cull Tremayne


 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a request for adminship that was successful. Please do not modify it.

Cull Tremayne (11 users + 4 admins + 1 bureaucrat/3 users/2 admin)
Deadline: December 20, 2006

Support

 * 1) Has the correct attitude. .  .  .  .  04:16, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 2)  Yoshi  626 [[Image:Yoshiegg.jpg|20px]] 04:17, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Very helpful to me in the IRC chat. BigGuy219 04:28, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Kuralyov 04:42, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) Throw away your personality first, OK.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 04:43, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 6)  G .He (Talk!) 04:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 7) Sikon 04:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 8) --Eyrezer 04:49, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 9) SFH 05:30, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 10) I see no problems here. Darth Maddolis 08:47, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 11) He's done some good work. KEJ 15:55, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 12) Darth Culator  (Talk)(Kills) 16:15, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 13) There is no cabal. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 03:06, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 14) After reading all those long comments... —Xwing328 (Talk) 03:17, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 15) Green Tentacle (Talk) 19:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 16) Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:16, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 17) Imp 23:51, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) See comments section. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 04:31, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Per Ataru. Havac 22:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 3)  Bub  Talk  23:23, 7 December 2006 (UTC)

Neutral

 * 1) Don't know him well enough to say one way or the other. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 21:34, 10 December 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) I am in the same boat.– 00:34, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Comments
Question
 * I've been here for over a year and have been active in contributing to the wiki. I'd like to be more active in "leading the community". Comments are appreciated. Cull Tremayne 04:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Editcount data for Cull (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/User:Editcount/editcount.js?username=Cull+Tremayne) courtesy of Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 04:45, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

G1 Why do you want to become an administrator?

I'd like to help lead the wiki in its future as we try to flesh out more of the site and promote it. I'd also like to help with admin roles, invite new members, etc.

G2 In your opinion, what is the role of an administrator?

To lead the community, to judge disputes in an objective manner, and to help with the overall look of the site.

G3 In your view, do administrators hold a technical or political position?

Political. As several administrators have pointed out, they are the face of this site and are what the community looks to as leaders. Though I will say that I hold nothing but the utmost respect for administrators that deal with the technical issues on this site.

G4 How do feel admins should use their power/stand in comparison with other users?

Administrators should try to act as though they are no better than the average user, with also keeping in mind that they may need to eventually value their judgment over an average user.

G5 Have you been in any conflicts over editing in the past or do you feel other users have caused you stress? How have you dealt with it and how will you deal with it in the future?

Not recently, but I have had extended arguments on the Talk:Grievous and the Talk:Netus pages. I do sometimes find it difficult to admit defeat, but I have no trouble recognizing when my argument holds no water.

G6 Of your articles or contributions to Wookieepedia, are there any with which you are particularly pleased, and why?

I tend to list articles I've been please with on my user page, but if I had to choose one, it would be Adalric Cessius Brandl.

G7 What sysop chores do you anticipate helping with?

Editing the front page for one. We are regularly late on updating it. I'd like to help in combatting vandals as well, where I've been just leaving it up to current admins so far. Also removing redundant images and nonsense pages would be another place where help is needed.

G8 How important is it for you to be involved in things such as CT, IDrive, FA, and other community-centered items that involve discussion and voting?

I think it's important for a regular user to be involved in community votes as much as possible, especially when it's going to affect the main page and "face" of our site.

G9 Do you think admins performing actions (I.e. deletions, blocks, etc.) for reasons not covered on policy should be sanctioned/punished? If so, how?

So far, I have trusted the judgment of the current admins. However, I believe that there eventually needs to be policy to perhaps suspend admin powers for admins that are acting unreasonably.

G10 What is your policy, if any, of welcoming new users? Should you welcome a new user, do you look at his/her contributions beforehand? What about anonymous IPs?

I tend to wait until a user has done more than work on their user page, however, that also means that I'm the last one to welcome new users :P.

G11 How would you react if someone undeleted an article you'd mistakenly speedied? Under what circumstances would you consider it appropriate to undelete an article mistakenly speedied by another administrator, if any, and how would you approach this task?

I would not be offended in the slightest. If I have made a mistake, I would like it to be rectified, and other admins should feel the same way.

G12 How would you react if your user page was vandalized? Under what circumstances would you block the offender? Is there anything else that you would do in this situation?

I would probably see it as an inappropriate attack and block the user, at least for a timeout period. I might also seek judgment from other admins if I think I have become to involved and am unable to make a fair judgment.

G13 Under what circumstances would you consider blocking an established user?

If they have gone crazy is the only reason I can see to permanently block an established user. Timeout blocks need to be regularly used for users that constantly find themselves acting unreasonably.

G14 If you could change any one thing about Wookieepedia, what would it be?

Probably the background of the site, but we have people working on skins, so who am I to complain?

G15 Would you look at a glass to be half-empty or half-full?

Half-empty, it's always better to be pessimistic, you'll always be pleasantly surprised.

C1 Do you feel the current blocking policy is too restrictive, not restrictive enough, or OK as it is?

Ok as is.

C2 Have you ever considered becoming a regular visitor to the Wookieepedia IRC chat?

I'd like to think that I am a regular visitor.

C3 How do you feel about people who already have some influence on other Star Wars communities (TheForce.Net, StarWars.com) trying to change policies here?

I am generally ok with it, however, a messageboard mentality is sometimes not wanted or needed. I do think that regular users of popular Star Wars messageboards are generally more informed and actually help us keep up to date.

C4 How many clones do you think fought in the Clone Wars? (Note: You are wrong no matter what answer you give.)

3 million, but I'm not happy about it :P.

C5 Who is the most awesome Jedi of all time? (Note: The only correct answer is Kyle Katarn.)

Well when I was Jaden, I was able to beat Kyle...

K1 Are you or have you ever been a member of the Communist Party? Kuralyov 00:19, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Nope, but the Crucible is one of my favorite stories, even though I don't think that the relation Miller was trying to make was entirely fair.

I1 What's more important to you: consensus or policy? --Imp 00:24, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

Policy, because I think that it helps standardize and keep the wiki running without having the judgment of certain users come into play. However, consensus is the path to creating policy. So perhaps I should rethink this...


 * I really, really hate to do this, because he's a great contributor, is on IRC, and does a lot around here, but based off of research of Cull's background, not to mention his userpage, IMHO, he is too opinionated to be an effective administrator (see here) and exhibits undue bias in his dealings with certain other users. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 04:34, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I would like to see some examples where I have acted with undue bias. I always try put aside my own personal opinions when dealing with other users. The opinions on my userpage are my own, but I do not let it affect my judgment. If it comes down to it, I can remove the opinions if need be. Cull Tremayne 04:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, mercy. That gave me a good laugh. But as long as opinions aren't taken into the realm of articles and edits, I don't see how it can be a problem. Basically, that's like saying that you can't be an admin on grounds of having a personality. .  .  .  .  04:39, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, my examples are the talk pages you've already cited, but particularly this. Like I said, I'm sorry to be the first oppose vote. And whether or not you remove the opinions, the point is that you publicly displayed your negative opinions of other users for all to see. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 04:44, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * A red link?-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 04:46, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah well, my opinions on Jack are not harsh, just general observations. In my dealings with him, he usually has it right. If you'll check my history, I've only had two real dealings with him, on the Grievous talk page, and on moving the Delta-6 starfighter page, where I admitted that he was right. As for the Kuralyov Big Brother page, there's already been some discussion on it, so it's not exactly contentious for it to be there, but it can probably be removed now. Cull Tremayne 04:47, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry for the redlink. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 04:49, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Being a community, there is no way to avoid opinions. Of each other, that is. Whether or not we choose to speak out minds about it is beside the point - as long as we keep it on user talk pages and out of the Wookiee itself, I don't see the problem. And if you're to brittle to be able to cop these things on the chin, then perhaps you shouldn't be a part of a community. .  .  .  .  07:20, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That's getting a bit harsh; Atarumaster was merely commenting on why he thinks someone would not be a suitable admin. Which is exactly what this page is for. I don't see how he was "too brittle to be able to cop these things on the chin". On the contrary, the manner in which he stated his "oppose" vote and opinion was very polite. Saying things like "perhaps you shouldn't be a part of a community" doesn't help anyone. Anyway, let's get back to the subject: Cull's nomination. --Azizlight 07:50, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I entirely agree with you. However, I also see Ataru's point that advertising comments which are critical towards SW authors and towards our own bureaucrats and users are not necessarily helpful to the wiki and can be easily attributed negatively to the community as a whole if I am made an admin. There's no reason to remove opinions as related to Star Wars and its themes, but I can see how criticism of real people can be an issue. Also, and you already pointed this out, we users need to grow a tougher skin and accept criticism. My comments and fourdot's were not personal attacks or meant to be insulting. Cull Tremayne 07:59, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * You misunderstand me, Aziz, what I said was in no way aimed at Ataru. However, in seeing that he has concern for others, I felt the need to raise the point that we, as people, should not feel the need to pander to emotionally unstable individuals who react harshly to strong opinion. It's not exclusive to Wookieepedia, either - if you are a part of a community, you can put your money on the other members having an opinion about you. That's a fact of life that you have to accept when you come into contact with others. I'm not saying that Ataru has problems with the opinions, or that he is one of these emotionally fragile people, but what I am saying is that we should not feel the need to homogonize ourselves for a select few. Barring breaching civility and decency, we should be able to say what we want, when we want, as long as it's in the confines of our own userpages and their respective talk pages. "What's said on tour stays on tour". .  .  .  .  08:04, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok. Sorry for the misunderstanding. And just for the record, I don't think there was anything wrong with what Cull had said on his userpage, and there was no need to remove it. --Azizlight 08:18, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I have read Cull's userpage, and I must admit we have similar tastes- I did find it a little silly, years back, how Obi-Wan didn't destroy Jango, but in seeing Mace destroy him and looking at the situation, I came to rest at that- also seeing that Jango was one of the most deadly Mandalorians at the time. I don't have a problem with that much at all nowadays. Anyway, to be a fan of Star Wars is to have opinions- for example, ever since before May 19, 2005, I've always believed Mace defeated Sidious in the duel, and not the other way round. You can believe either way, there really is no in between, and neither are there on some other topics. Hence, we find incontrevertable (sp? I just like that word :)) proof that to be a Star Wars fan is to have opinions. Anyway, I respect Atarumaster88 and find him to be a very colourful and intellectual user, and I absolutely respect his decision to go against the vote, however I feel that Cull would make a good admin. Darth Maddolis 08:47, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, Cull did remove the opinions about other users, which was here so I'm considering striking my oppose vote. The important thing for me was to at least draw attention to what's out there. The main reason I didn't want the opinions there was not to preserve "emotionally fragile people" but instead to preserve the image of the site. For example, if a new user was to show up and see that on Cull's page, would they then think it's okay to categorize other users as being argumentative? Where do we draw the line on that? Moreover, we're sort of contradicting ourselves I think, if we allow some users to have negative opinions and say "No, that's naughty" to others. Case in point, Ugluk had a userbox that said "This user thinks Jack Nebulax should never be made an administrator." It was unnecessary and argumentative, and SFH had him remove it. While I don't think what Cull had was quite as argumentative, it still falls into the same category, IMHO. That being said, I could be persuaded to strike my vote on this one now that I've at least gotten my point across.  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 15:40, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I see your point, but someone is just as likely to go to a layperson's page as they are to go to an admin's page. Perhaps if opinions about specific users were excercised from userpages, that would be more suitable. But opinions on fan groups and such should be allowed to be posted. It's character defining. .  .  .  .  22:01, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree there, Fourdot. With as many links to their pages as exist (Administrators), they should be held to a higher standard of behavior as they are the "faces" of the community, if you will. On your second point, yeah, as long as it's not slander or anything, I wouldn't vote against someone just for having negative views of an author or fan group.  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 23:38, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * There are plenty of links to Policy pages, and yet there are many who have not read it, or show no signs of having read it. Admins must set a standard, true, and they are the "faces" of the community, but I just don't think it's fair to have to castrate them for the benefit of the unstable. .  .  .  .  01:09, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * So basically, we agree that admins are the face of the community and should set a standard, we just disagree as to where that line is drawn. Well, it's just my opinion. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 01:17, 7 December 2006 (UTC)
 * After reading through that lenghtly diatribe, it amazes me that this whole thing was basically over yet another friend of Nebulax's trying to stop criticism of him. This is ridiculous. Also nice to see Ataru demonstrating his hypocrisy after he tried to stop the vote from removing Whiteboy's Gestapo page. So is it all right for an established admin to trash another user, just not someone trying to become an admin; or is it all right for anyone to be trashed as long as it's not Nebluax? Kuralyov 03:43, 8 December 2006 (UTC)
 * My good Kuralyov, you seem to have gotten the wrong idea entirely, especially about me. First of all, I'm just as much a friend of you as I am of Jack. As for criticizing Nebulax, I've neither been the first or the last to take not e of his flaws, just not so publicly as others perhaps. On the vfd page for WhiteBoy's subpage (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Votes_for_deletion/User:WhiteBoy/Kuralyov), you'll notice that I didn't vote for keeping it. Actually, I didn't vote at all, because I was unsure of whether it was proper procedure at all. Again, if you look at the page, the only comment I made was to ask if it was legal to delete the page and whether this was proper procedure. It wasn't stated clearly whether it was or not, so I didn't participate in the vote. I don't like anyone trashing other users, be it you, Cull, Jack, or any user. It doesn't matter to me. When have I trashed you? I really don't consider not voting and asking a simple question hypocrisy, and I'm sorry if you do. Let me assure that the last thing I wish to do is to play favorites or cause conflicts with other users. I've tried to do quite the opposite in fact. This comment will be posted on your talk page for you to reply to at your leisure. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 05:32, 8 December 2006 (UTC)