Wookieepedia:EduCorps/Meeting 1

This page is for the first CA review meeting notes and discussion. Thank you. -- Exiled Jedi   (Greetings)  03:33, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Tentative meeting outline
Note: If the meeting runs for too much over an hour some topics can be held off until a later meeting.
 * 1) Discussion about adding EduCorps-only responsibilities.
 * 2) *The responsibility to review articles on the Comprehensive article nominations page
 * 3) *The responsibility to review articles placed on the Comprehensive article review page
 * 4) *The responsibility to attend the EduCorps meetings
 * 5) Discussion about the practice of cutting words to keep articles CAs.
 * 6) Discussion related the assumption of sentience on species CANs.
 * 7) *Can non-sentience ever be inferred?
 * 8) *Where do plants fall in, especially fruits and vegetables.
 * 9) Discussion about whether to include fruits, nuts, and vegetables in the main listing as species or as food.
 * 10) How should should we handle articles that fall at or over 200 words without an intro? Should we:
 * 11) *Notify the nominators and then put the articles on the page if they haven't responded in a couple of weeks?
 * 12) *Just put all of the articles on the review page? (Maybe 10 or so at a time)
 * 13) *Be handled individually in meetings if they are not fixed within a month?
 * 14) *Try some other idea?
 * 15) Discussion about getting a site notice/user messages to tell users about the articles under review.
 * 16) Should quotes, italics, or nothing be used for linking to Hyperspace articles like Dining at Dex's?
 * 17) This question could also be applied to other stories/articles as well.
 * 18) Discuss whether Star Wars Galaxies Trading Card Game articles can be determined to be in a specifc era.
 * 19) Discussion of individual articles will be held off until future meetings (unless they are all fixed before then).

Meeting sign up list
Note: The meeting will take place in IRC channel #wookieepedia-educorps on Saturday, August 31st starting at 7 PM ET.
 * 1)  Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  03:33, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) The first ECmoot. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  03:45, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) An EC revolution. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 03:55, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4) This looks great as long as we don't discuss each of the listed articles in this one meeting. Also, EJ for EC's executive. Winterz (talk) 04:14, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * 5) Unless something unexpected comes up, I will be there to kill some CANs. 501st  dogma ( talk ) 11:33, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * 6) * The EC is stepping up in the world. :P I'll try to be there. MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 14:31, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * 7) **Sorry guys, that's game day. :/ MasterFred Commerce Guild.svg(Whatever) 04:09, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * 8) Probably. As an aside, I've gone ahead and set up the channel. Anyone without an IRC account is encouraged to register one. 1358  (Talk)  15:02, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * 9)  Sir Cavalier of One FarStar.svg( Squadron channel ) 17:09, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * 10) I shall try to make an appearance. Gal-icon.jpg  OLIOSTER  (talk) 22:23, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * 11) Since I'm technically an EC, I'll try to make an appearance.  IFYLOFD  ( Enter the Floydome ) 22:24, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * 12) I'm not an EC, but i'd like to go anyway. Supreme Emperor (talk) 04:05, August 24, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion
Please discuss the meeting and any changes to the EduCorps here:
 * I was thinking that increasing EduCorps-only requirements to where those users are required to review on the CAN page and the CA review page.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  03:33, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * As a random note, I knew back when we first approved the CA process that this would eventually happen. The only surprise is that it took over three years. I suppose it is a change for the better, though, given the large list of problem articles above. &mdash;MJ&mdash; War Room 03:59, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion about sentience problem

 * Please discuss the sentience problem here:

Problem articles

 * Please add any articles that you find to have unaddressed issues along with a note listing these issues.
 * If you wish to fix an article, please add your name under it and strike it off the list when the issues are resolved.
 * EduCorps/CA maintenance issues lists some articles with issues, but others need to be added here.

Droids

 * Unidentified Tarisian surveillance droid
 * Though I haven't read the book in question, it would appear that the explosion injuring nobody also meant the droid wasn't harmed? Hope the nominator can address this though. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 18:47, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * The source, which is merely a three-paragraph "weird news" story in the back of a KotOR issue, does not give any indication as to the droid's fate, nor does it make clear whether "No one was injured in the ensuing blast" (the source's words) refers only to living beings or to the droid as well. &mdash;MJ&mdash; Training Room 18:57, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * In that case, I'll strike this. 501st  dogma ( talk ) 20:08, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Events

 * 90,000 BBY
 * Battle of Altyr V
 * There. 501st  dogma ( talk ) 11:57, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Battle of Crombach Nebula
 * Not sure if the Jedi Master mention in the strength section is supposed to be the guy who died. I'll wait until I get a 2nd opinion here, before I add mention of another Jedi to the body. 501st  dogma ( talk ) 12:01, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Battle of Lanos
 * It's just shown as a battle dot on the map. However, the quote doesn't read right, so it might have to be checked. 501st  dogma ( talk ) 12:08, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * First Pius Dea Crusade
 * Third Pius Dea Crusade

Locations

 * Alchenaut
 * Caramm V
 * Drezzi
 * Removed four words. Cheating, I know, but it was a wordy sentence anyway. Menkooroo (talk) 01:21, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Intro'd. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  04:41, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Enrichment Dome
 * Ivatch
 * Sorted. - Sir Cavalier of One FarStar.svg( Squadron channel ) 12:51, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Mairne
 * Also sorted. - Sir Cavalier of One FarStar.svg( Squadron channel ) 12:51, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Morodin homeworld
 * Also this? Menkooroo (talk) 00:58, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Nigel III
 * Added intro, and divided into sections. 501st  dogma ( talk ) 13:19, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks a lot, dogma ;). Winterz (talk) 14:58, August 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * Outer Rim Oreworks Market
 * Peirs
 * Whoosh. Menkooroo (talk) 02:36, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Slotern
 * I was going to fix this one, but I'm unsure about the infobox's affiliation field. Claiming it's aligned with the Empire based on the info in the article body (a battle without a given result) seems like a stretch. Menkooroo (talk) 02:36, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Solanus
 * The Godsheart
 * Tusken relic cave
 * Technically, the BtS holds the most info, so an intro is not needed. 501st  dogma ( talk ) 12:13, August 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Unidentified chop shop
 * Widow's Valley
 * Placed on GAN page. Corellian Premier Jedi symbol.svg Force will be with you always 02:15, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yortal's Emporium
 * Fixed it with a pipelink. Menkooroo (talk) 02:36, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Organizations

 * 224th
 * This article is also written strangely --- the "History" section follows from the intro rather than introducing everything anew. Due to some creative linking, there isn't actually any intro-exclusive info, but the "History" section should still start by telling us who the 224th are rather than beginning with "Around the year 21 BBY,[2] during the onset of the Clone Wars, the 224th was deployed to the planet Mimban to fight for the Galactic Republic." Menkooroo (talk) 00:40, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * 128th Flight
 * 28th Flight
 * 72nd Flight
 * Asexual Professional Greenputt Tour
 * Fixed. &mdash;MJ&mdash; Council Chambers 19:18, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ebon Squadron
 * Female Professional Greenputt Tour
 * Fixed. &mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> Council Chambers</b> 19:18, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Galactic Solutions Industries
 * Greenputt Governing Council
 * Fixed? &mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> Council Chambers</b> 19:10, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Match Master
 * Menkooroo (talk) 03:13, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Non-Limbed Professional Greenputt Tour
 * Fixed. &mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> Council Chambers</b> 19:18, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Not-Dead-Yet Professional Greenputt Tour
 * Fixed. &mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> Council Chambers</b> 19:18, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Professional Greenputt Tour
 * Fixed. &mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> Council Chambers</b> 19:18, August 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sernpidal Enforcer
 * Introed 501st  dogma ( talk ) 13:10, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Spear Squadron
 * Yan-than

Politics

 * Bill 1979
 * Yes, we should. See Layout_Guide. &mdash;MJ&mdash;</b> Comlink</b> 18:37, August 18, 2013 (UTC)

Starships and vehicles

 * Atrivis Advancer
 * Fixed reffing and added info to body from infobox. 501st  dogma ( talk ) 13:19, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Band Light
 * Intro'd. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  05:09, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * The Righteous
 * Added length, but not sure which of the manufacturers to put down as the maker. 501st  dogma ( talk ) 13:49, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Swift Return
 * I would add the length of the ship, but the C70 retrofit article doesn't have its length sourced. 501st  dogma ( talk ) 13:23, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thalmussen
 * I know this is kind of cheating, but I brought it down to 198 by cutting down a wordy sentence. Menkooroo (talk) 00:44, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Intro'd. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  05:03, August 20, 2013 (UTC)

Species

 * Aplocaph
 * Ermi
 * Re-worded it to the accepted format. Menkooroo (talk) 05:44, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Fneeb
 * Infobox added. --Eyrezer (talk) 08:51, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Jumerian
 * Added intro. --Eyrezer (talk) 09:12, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * k'Jtari
 * I don't think there's anything in Species that could actually be filled out. Menkooroo (talk) 05:44, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * There was one thing, infobox added.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  02:42, August 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Polosich
 * Qadel
 * This would give us an empty infobox. 501st  dogma ( talk ) 16:55, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Qonto
 * Rseikharhl
 * Added intro. --Eyrezer (talk) 09:12, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Saadul
 * Same as k'Jtari --- it would be an empty infobox. Same for Veeza, Zoa'mon, Sapir, Tau serpent, and Terrafin below. Menkooroo (talk) 05:44, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * I've added one to Sapir, and it doesn't make an empty one. 501st  dogma ( talk ) 17:03, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Soth Petikkin's species
 * Could have sworn this article was slightly less than 200 words. In any case, I've just brought this to the GAN page. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 22:39, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ubasameir
 * Veeza
 * Vendaran
 * Added intro. --Eyrezer (talk) 09:12, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Zoa'mon
 * Sapir
 * Added. 501st  dogma ( talk ) 16:59, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Tau serpent
 * Didn't give an infobox, but reffed it. 501st  dogma ( talk ) 17:03, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Infobox added. --Eyrezer (talk) 08:51, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Tellanadan moonflower
 * Added to BtS. 501st  dogma ( talk ) 23:49, August 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Terrafin
 * Unidentified Garqian fowl
 * Intro'd. 501st  dogma ( talk ) 17:12, August 22, 2013 (UTC)

Other species notes

 * The majority of the species articles also need their infoboxes reloaded.
 * This is a complete "Make-work" exercise. Where reloading an infobox would have any effect on the article to the reader, I have done it (This includes where any of the new fields would have content). Reloading any of the remaining species will make no difference to the reader at all. In my opinion, we should be funneling people toward productive work, not compliance with a technical rule that will have no impact on the reader or user of the Wookieepedia. It's unclear if the proposal is to strip articles of status for this reason. I dearly hope not. --Eyrezer (talk) 08:58, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Just for the record, I would like to point out that reloading infoboxes to account for missing fields or rejigs of the template, regardless of reader usage, is a valid objection at both GAN and FAN level. - Sir Cavalier of One FarStar.svg( Squadron channel ) 09:07, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * There is also a problem with a large number of assumptions for non-sentience.
 * If you find that a source confirms non-sentience/semi-sentience, please strike the appropriate article from the list.
 * Please take any large discussions on the sentience discussion to the discussion section at the end of the article.
 * This issue will be discussed at the meeting as a whole not as individual articles.

Technology

 * Angry machine
 * Done. Menkooroo (talk) 00:53, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Capturing stick
 * DX-300 traffic package
 * Serraknife
 * It looks like this may be one of those rare cases where nothing in the infobox can actually be filled in. The article doesn't even assert that it's a knife, and nothing at all is known about it. Menkooroo (talk) 00:53, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Star Forge Robe

Miscellaneous

 * Aleemas
 * Menkooroo (talk) 12:41, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ambrian cheroot
 * Barrckli
 * Got these two. Menkooroo (talk) 15:54, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Dozoisian shark venom
 * Fizz-Pop Cap (with foil cluster)
 * Grivooga
 * Gungan dunk tank
 * Director of Sienar Marketing Relations
 * Menkooroo (talk) 03:50, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ma'aood
 * There is nothing to put in an Organisation infobox: no era, no location, nothing. --Eyrezer (talk) 08:50, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Mother Queen
 * Ossluk's gloves
 * Pelemaxian
 * Intro and infobox added. No eras as people/species do not have them. --Eyrezer (talk) 08:50, August 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * Provost
 * Menkooroo (talk) 03:13, August 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Tree-drum music
 * Menkooroo (talk) 03:50, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Zero-G crystalline chip

In-universe artwork and media

 * Aurilian sculpture
 * Bio-Engineer Poster
 * Booombaaa Boombaa Bombashella
 * Menkooroo (talk) 13:51, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Clone Wars Painting (clone trooper)
 * Clone Wars Painting (Grievous)
 * Freedom (painting)
 * Holding Back the Tide
 * Mantooine Minuet
 * Menkooroo (talk) 13:51, August 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Smuggler's Run (painting)
 * Survive The Rryatt Trail
 * Tatooine Dune Speeder
 * Weapon of War
 * The Wrath of IG-88