Forum:CT:Links to German version

Some time ago, it has - or rather has not - been discussed here to shift links for the German version to Jedipedia.net.

Why do I say, it has rather not been discussed? Well, the issue has not yet exactly been discussed. For one, threre was no trace of any "et altera pars audiatur", as Tm_T has already pointed out in the only "Discussion" point of said thread. Furthermore, as Tm_T mentioned as well, the argument was more or less "colourful" in its wording, saying e.g. "... some idiots who were clueless enough to move to Wikia" - which means insult to jedipedia.de.

Meanwhile, as Alexa page ranking shows, jedipedia.de is a well-known website, while the .net ist left behind by far.

Therefore, I suggest on behalf of jedipedia.de to restore all the altered links back to the original site. Voting on this may only begin after at least seven days of discussion. Riverworld 00:08, February 21, 2012 (UTC)

Discussion
Boo-frickety-hoo. I'm not going to pull any punches. Moving to Wikia was an idiotic move. It's like a free-roaming cow voluntarily moving to a dairy farm to get out of the rain. I'm sorry some people can't admit that was a bad trade. We wouldn't even be here if we hadn't gotten so big before it totally went to shit. We're just stuck. Now, as far as I can tell (not speaking German), there was more consensus here to change the links than there was on Jedipedia to move the whole damn site. If any of the people who had been in favor of moving the site had bothered to try to build links to other communities before packing up and moving to North Korea Wikia, we might have seen some more evidence to the contrary, but apparently your lazy webmaster was as bad at that as he was at webmastering. He also probably should have asked us poor Wiki-serfs about our oppressors first. 20-20 hindsight, and all that. We worked with the people at Jedipedia to create the Interlang system specifically to allow us to change our links to the German and French Star Wars wikis because Wikia won't allow their subject wikis that level of control. Now, I'm going to pretend you didn't just try to tell us how to run the consensus track, because we already have rules for that. Some of which govern eligibility and the number of participants required. Good luck. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 01:21, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * I would like to thank Riverworld of his selective quoting, but also recommend him to try discuss before launching CT. Please do some preparation before setting up voting, that way it has more chances to survive. Also, revoting on this with given reasons, as in, "lack of information from both sides", without giving the said information, is pointless. (: – Tm_T@Wookieepedia:&#126;$ 13:27, February 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hence the seven days period, which was not meant to hinder voting, but to enable discussion. What I consider most fascinating in an intelligent species is the ability of rational thought and discussing items in a proper way. This said, the point is: The reasons for jp.de's transition to Wikia, as given by its founder Premia on June 11, 2011 were as following. Due to a strong increase in both access and membership, the servers which formerly hosted jp.de tended to become irreliable, i.e. they were down for longer periods, especially when Star Wars movies had been broadcasted on TV. Second reason was a certain need for specialized professionals, especially software engineers. Third reason was the access to each and every software enhancement that wikimedia provides. (Full statement in German can be read on the .de website, which is blocked out by the spam filter.) Unfortunately, the reasons of the .net founders for leaving are unbeknownst to us, since they left without any discussion. It is success which counts, so let me give you some figures as well (at 15:50 GMT on February 21, 2012): Alexa ranking: .de 155,564; .net 950,494. Sites linked in: .de 438; .net: 103. Number of articles: .de 25,930; .net 28,365. Membership: .de 1,614; .net 5,434 (The .net counts all including those of the former .de). Active Users: .de 225; .net 157 (Users with at least one edit during the last 91 days) Sources: [www.alexa.com Alexa]; statistics pages of both sites. Last but not least some questions, which arose in my mind the other day: Why is Wookiepedia still with Wikia, if they treat their milk cows so badly? And why do some people here react in such an emotional way? What is the weak spot I my have hit? Riverworld 16:44, February 21, 2012 (UTC)