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Dathomirian vs Dathomiri
Hey, Savage. I don't suppose you remember our discussion about "Dathomirian vs Dathomiri" we had on this talk page, but I've finally found evidence that "Dathomiri" is indeed a demonym and not a racial term.
 * 1) In Star Wars: Darth Plagueis, Darth Maul is referred to as "a male Zabrak, but not of the Iridonian sort; rather, a Dathomirian". Later in the book, Palpatine says: "I found such a one on Dathomir not a year ago. A male Dathomiri Zabrak infant." While the first occurrence is clearly a mention of species (a Dathomirian), the second one states Maul's origin.
 * 2) In Nightsaber, the word Dathomiri is used to qualify both the "Dathomiri Force witches" and the "Dathomiri underground."
 * 3) Much more conclusive, Backlash uses expressions such as "Dathomiri spaceport", "Dathomiri clans", "Dathomiri knife", "Dathomiri orbit" and "Dathomiri rain forest."

However, it should be noted that "Dathomirian" has been used inappropriately to qualifiy Humans living on Dathomir:
 * 1) Charal's old Databank entry listed her as a Human and a member of the "Dathomirian Nightsisters"
 * 2) I cannot check just now, but I believe Gethzerion too has been called a Dathomirian in some RPG sourcebooks, despite being established as Human in The Essential Guide to Characters.

This raises a specific problem on the identification of species when it comes to Dathomiri characters. For example, Tribeless Sha's article has her as a member of the Dathomirian species. However, Backlash simply says she is "a Dathomiri woman."

Now that we have more evidence, I'd like to hear your thought about this. --LelalMekha (talk) 15:27, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well, I wonder if we can simply cite The Essential Reader's Companion as evidence that the Singing Mountain Clan, at least, are Human. They're listed as such on the entry for The Courtship of Princess Leia. However, Gethzerion seems to have been retconned as a Dathomirian, since that's listed as her species on the same page. So, yes, I think the burden of proof would be on establishing a character as being of the Dathomirian species rather than simply being a Human from Dathomir (and hence a Dathomiri). ~ Savage BOB sig.png 15:32, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Moreover, The Essential Atlas states that Dathomir hosted only about 5,200 inhabitants, 97% of which were Human. That means the percentage of Dathomirians is definitely negligible, especially since most of them were massacred by Grievous. However, I wonder wheter Gethzerion was actually retconned as a Dathomirian of blood or if it's just another use of the term "Dathomirian" as a demonym&mdash;just like Charal. Asking Pablo Hidalgo would probably solve the mystery. --LelalMekha (talk) 15:38, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * That shouldn't be necessary; each book entry lists the principal characters with species in parentheses, so it's evident he intends her to be a Dathomirian by species. I'm away from the book at the moment, but I'll double check tonight just to make sure. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 16:03, November 20, 2012 (UTC)
 * Here's exactly how the book writes their species in the "main characters" list for The Courtship of Princess Leia: "Teneniel Djo, Witch of Dathomir (human female); Gethzerion, Nightsister (Dathomirian female)" (p. 296). However, in the caption for the image on the next page, we get, "Aboard the ruins of the Chu'unthor, Luke Skywalker defends himself from attack by the Dathomirian warrior Teneniel Djo." So, I suppose, Dathomiri and Dathomirian are both demonyms, but Dathomirian is more likely to be a species identity, and Dathomiri is never a species name. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 12:48, November 21, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the clarification. But why, oh why? Why on Earth did Pablo Hidlago feel compelled to make Gethzerion a Dathomirian? Darned Clone Wars steamroller... --LelalMekha (talk) 10:32, December 15, 2012 (UTC)

Nho'Apakk
Hello Bob, on Yodapedia Sompeetalay recently changed the Nho'Apakk article showing an image of him loading rocks onto a catapult, though I'm not sure if it's a film shot, or a production still. You can check the information here, and see if that can indeed be proven as Nho'Apakk. By the way, were you aware of that Blue Harvest behind the scenes photo where he was holding the movie slate? Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 17:27, November 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Thanks for alerting me! I've dropped a line on Sompeetalay's talk page to ask him about the identification. I'm a bit skeptical, since the Ewok in those pictures has striped fur, but the Nho'Apakk toy has fur that's all the same color. But maybe Som has some info I don't know about. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 21:00, November 24, 2012 (UTC)

CT
Hey, Bob. I noticed you were getting ready to propose a CT for how we handle unidentified species. Would it be ok if I made a suggestion for a possible addition to the proposal? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:28, November 27, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey, Tope, absolutely! I meant to ask you for input, but I was rushed and only had time to ping Menkooroo. I'd appreciate any feedback. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 01:57, November 28, 2012 (UTC)

Homeworld Security FA objection
Hey, I'm not sure if you know or not, I just noticed myself actually, but you still have an open objection at the end of your review for the Homeworld Security Command. If you could please take a look and make sure it got addressed, thanks! Cheers, Coruscantfan (Talk) 05:33, November 30, 2012 (UTC)

User 12
Thank you--12.71.5.221 17:38, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Concept art
Thanks for pointing those articles out. The issue that I noticed with the Zilkin article specifically (it doesn't seem to apply to the other articles) is that the sources that I removed were concept art of something that became the Zilkin species design, not concept art of Zilkins. I would agree that the sources should be listed in the glurrg article, as they were concept art of that subject, but it's different for the Zilkin&mdash;the original design was created years before The Clone Wars created the Zilkin species, so anything that preceded its conception shouldn't be treated as a depiction of the species. A Bts note would be appropriate, I think, but I don't find that the concept art depictions should be listed in the Sources list unless they specifically depict Zilkins. Hope I'm being clear.  CC7567  (talk) 21:32, December 4, 2012 (UTC)

Unverified article
Hey. An article that you created back in August (Unidentified Rebel Alliance base (Datar)) was tagged Verify today by, who claims that the appearance given was invalid. If you can figure out what's going on, you might wanna save it. &mdash;MJ&mdash; Council Chambers 22:48, December 14, 2012 (UTC)

Snoova
Hey Savagebob. I happened to be looking at the original barn burner page and saw the discussion related to Snoova apearing in Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds and I thought I'd help out even though its already an FA. The bounty hunter unit for the Wookiees is Snoova's sprite, and he is a unit that can be placed in the games level editor. This will need to be put in the appearances list (With an nc template next to it) and maybe a small Bts mention.  Commander Code-8  To say hi, press 42 01:07, December 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the heads-up! From what I remember from that discussion, the Wookiee bounty hunter unit is really a "generic" unit and is not supposed to represent Snoova as an individual, though. The ambiguity of the appearance is already discussed in the BTS of the article, but since it's not "really" him, we decided not to include it in the Appearances list. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 15:53, December 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * Well there's still his appearance in the level editor which is really Snoova, and that is a real appearance of him, but its just non-canon.  Commander Code-8  To say hi, press 42 02:15, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? I haven't played the game, so what distinguishes the Snoova version of the sprite from the Snoova look-a-like version? ~ Savage BOB sig.png 06:26, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * The look-a-like version is just the sprite used for the bounty hunter created by the player in normal gameplay when using the Wookiees, but in the level editor, the player can put specific characters in their own levels that they can't use in normal gameplay, and Snoova is one of those characters. Both of these appearances are non-canon, as the scenario editor is non-canon and bounty hunters are not required to be created by the player in any of the canon Wookiee campaigns. Hope that clears it up.  Commander Code-8  To say hi, press 42 07:21, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ah, that does help; thanks. However, the article currently says that Star Wars Battlefront: Renegade Squadron and Star Wars Battlefront: Elite Squadron are the games that have the Wookiee bounty hunter sprite. So is he in Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds too? ~ Savage BOB sig.png 15:33, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * I haven't played either of those Battlefront games, so I can't help you with those, but yes, he is in Galactic Battlegrounds.  Commander Code-8  To say hi, press 42 22:07, December 23, 2012 (UTC)
 * So do you want to add this info to the article, or would it be easier if I did?  Commander Code-8  To say hi, press 42 09:05, January 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, Commander! Sorry for the delayed response on this. I've been away for the holidays and haven't had consistent Internet access. Feel free to add the information if you wish. If not, I should be able to get to it in the next day or two. And Happy New Year! :) ~ Savage BOB sig.png 15:59, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Good things come to those who wait...
... or don't they? I may be two days late, but it sure won't stop me from wishing you a merry Christmas! I guess I'll have more luck with the New Year's wishes! Thank you for your help on the Wook in 2012. --LelalMekha (talk) 23:49, December 26, 2012 (UTC)
 * Merry Christmas to you, too! It's been a pleasure working with you over the past year. Here's to more to come! ~ Savage BOB sig.png 00:38, December 27, 2012 (UTC)

Guineo question
Hello, I'm finally going to finish the Guineo article and would like to ask you a quick question. In your Draag article you mention the they had both male and female sexes. Can the same be said for the Guineo species? I know that the game said that the individuals in the game were male, but is that enough to establish that there were females as well? If so, can you give me the page number I can source it to? Thank you for your time.-- Exiled Jedi   (Greetings)  23:13, December 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm. As the dictionary definition of male requires the existence of female, I think it's probably safe to assume they have females even if no source explicitly mentions as such. Of course, you could always say something like, "The Guineo had at least one sex, male" or something like that if you don't think the female assumption is warranted. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 16:02, January 1, 2013 (UTC)

Happy New Year
Hi, I wanna wish you a happy new year! :) --XXLVenom998 (talk) 15:37, January 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! And Happy New Year to you, as well! ~ Savage BOB sig.png 15:52, January 4, 2013 (UTC)

Cite template
Hey SavageBob. I changed it because short stories aren't usually italicized, unlike Insider articles. Cheers.  Stake black   msg 00:03, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, Slake. Actually, there are two separate issues here. The first is italics versus quotes. In 99% of style guides, neither magazine articles nor short stories are italicized. However, there have been Senate Hall threads on this for the Wook, and people have not come to consensus about whether we should italicize or use quotes here. That's why the InsiderCite template both italicizes and puts the article titles in quotes. The second issue is about the sub-content of the Clone Wars UK magazine. We use the template not only for the short comic included in each issue, but also for the (non-story) articles. In this regard, it's very much similar to the Insider. For that reason, the templates should match as well as possible. If you think that one should not have italics for the articles/stories, I'd argue that none of them should have italics for the articles/stories. In other words, I don't really mind one way or the other, but the two templates should match. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 00:12, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * I see. Well, I don't feel strongly about this either, either way is fine. Cheers.  Stake black   msg 00:19, January 6, 2013 (UTC)

Dandelion warriors
Hey Savage. Today, I've decided to give the Dandelion warriors article some love, on a whim. I intend to expand and source it some more before nominating it some time in the future. However, I'm having two little problems that you may help resolve. First things first: when I started working on the article, the name "fftssfft" was written everywhere without capital letter. That seems fair enough, since the name was written like that in Castaways of Endor; however, I'm wondering whether a sentence may begin with a lower-case letter in proper, encyclopedic English. In French, it is an absolute rule that a sentence must begin with a cap, and I thought it was also the case in English. What say you?

And yet another thing: while the dandelion warriors from the TV episode To Save Deej seem to have blue stems (per the screenshot included in the dandelion article), the children book adaptation shows them as green. However, in the low-quality videos of the episode I've seen on Youtube, the dandelions' bodies look somewhat greenish. Is it possible that the colors of the DVD edition are somehow messed up? What do you think? --LelalMekha (talk) 22:20, January 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, Lelal! That's great; I can't wait to read your expansion of the fftssfft article. To answer your questions: 1) Yes, there are very rare cases where a word can always be in lower case in English. The examples I have in mind are things that are normally treated as proper nouns, but which the entity in question has stated an explicit preference against capitalization. There is a writer named bell hooks, for example, who insists her name be written without capitals. This is decidedly not the case with the dandelion warriors! The second case would maybe be for transliteration of a language into English using a system in which capital and lowercase letters have some bearing on pronunciation. I can't think of any examples of this in the real world, but it could be a possibility. In the case of ffssfft, though, there are no capitals, so I doubt that's the situation. Rather, I'd just treat the word as a common noun, much like dog or duck, and capitalize it when it comes at the beginning of a sentence. Or does "Castaways of Endor" leave it uncapitalized even when it begins a sentence? If it does, we should follow its precedent...


 * As for the coloration of the warriors, I just checked the VHS version of the episode, and it, too, depicts them as blue-stemmed. What you can do is say they were blue in the article, but indicate the children's book disparity in the BTS, or else (my preferred solution), say that some were blue and some were green and assume that both sources are perfectly canonical depictions of dandelion warriors. Have fun with the article, and let me know if you have any more questions! ~ Savage BOB sig.png 22:46, January 7, 2013 (UTC)

Narrowing down the dating of "Star Tours: The Adventures Continue"
Hey Savage. Thanks to one of Weedle McHairybug's recent edits, I have new information on the exact dating of Star Tours: The Adventures Continue. As you can hear on 1:45 of this video, the droid G2-9T says "Uh, is anyone here travelling to Yavin 4? Home of the secret Rebel base? Oops! Home of the previously secret rebel base..." Since the Rebels recovered the key to the Great Temple in the Yavin Vassilika in 1 BBY, then it means that the events of Star Tours II must take place between 1 and 0 BBY. I thought you might find that interesting. Cheers. --LelalMekha (talk) 22:28, January 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, interesting find! I think RX-24 may need a minor update. Thanks! ~ Savage BOB sig.png 13:21, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * However, I see that the dating of 1 BBY for the events pf Underworld: The Yavin Vassilika is currently unsourced, so we may have to take it with a grain of salt. Do you know where that dating comes from? --LelalMekha (talk) 13:25, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * I had an edit conflict asking you that same thing! The New Essential Chronology is silent on the date of the founding. It may be speculation. Maybe I can start a KB thread about it. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 13:26, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, done: Forum:KB:Establishing the Rebel base on Yavin 4. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 13:31, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Good. On my part, I shall read Star Wars: Underworld again and see if I can dig up any clues. I do remember the comic book original introduction saying that "Star Wars: Underworld takes place shortly before Episode IV." However, "shortly before" does not help much... --LelalMekha (talk) 13:32, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * I guess I was following this page and didn't know it... For the record, since Star Tours 2 was narrowed down to 2 BBY-0 BBY, I have noted that since Ackbar appears as a Rebel agent, the ride must take place after his rescue, which has been dated at 1 BBY. Granted, there are other anachronisms in the ride -- battles involving lots of separatist ships, TF droid ships over Naboo, and an earlier battle on Hoth -- but Ackbar's inclusion is something to consider. But I'll also say that I thought Underworld was even closer to ANH, in 0 BBY. --JMM (talk) 13:53, January 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * I just found out that has Underworld happening in 1 BBY. --LelalMekha (talk) 13:56, January 15, 2013 (UTC)

Thank you!
Hiya Savage, thanks for the kind words you left on my talk page regarding the Gree article. I have been trying quite hard with my recent work to source my stuff as much as I can. Out of curiousity though, which parts need more sourcing on the Gree article? Always on the lookout for new info or ways to better some of the pages I have been working on like Gree or Hutts so would appreciate any words on what needs to be done more :) Darth Batrus (talk) 17:28, January 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * No worries mate :) I hadn't updated in a while so kind of forgot some of the stuff I put so was worried I had left something unsourced heh. Kind of wish I had some screenshots but alas no. The only one I saw is the hologram of Operator IX AI :-/ But thanks again for the praise man, appreciate it. Darth Batrus (talk) 19:06, January 17, 2013 (UTC)

Ob Khaddor in "Chronicles"
Hi SavageBob. If I remember correctly, you own a copy of Star Wars Chronicles: The Prequels, right? I'm currently expanding Sheltay Retrac as much as I can, and I'd like to know in what respect and through which words the book "hints" that Ob Khaddor may have been her husband? I'm puzzled as to how a reference book may just "hint" rather than state. Additionally, Khaddor only died with the destruction of Alderaan. Therefore, if he was her father, Winter definitely was not an orphan. --LelalMekha (talk) 00:29, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hmm, interesting. Here's what the book says: "Sheltay Retrac (left) is the head of Organa's support staff and has served as aide to Bail Organa for two years. Recently returned from maternity leave, she left her infant daughter, Winter, in the care of her husband, an artist from the Killik regions." (p. 302). Sheltay Retrac is also possibly the hottest woman in Star Wars. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 01:11, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Is that all there is? If that's the case, I can't see a "hint" at all. Sounds more like mere speculation to me. Thank you anyway. :) --LelalMekha (talk) 01:13, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's it! There's no mention of Ob at all. I think someone heard "Killik" and "artist" and ran with it here. But it's speculative. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 01:15, January 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Completely speculative, indeed. Additionally, Khaddor may have been a major dissenter, but he was an urban dissenter. As for Retrac's husband, he lived in the Castle Lands, so he must have been a gentle cuckoolander that established his domicile in an ol' Killik hive-mound. --LelalMekha (talk) 01:23, January 18, 2013 (UTC)

Gree Images
Woah, thanks dude! Hmmm, going to sleep right now but tomorrow I am going to see about uploading some pics up. Would it be alright if I run them by you to see which one is good and might suit the article? Cause I have seen your work and would love some advice on making the Gree article better :) Darth Batrus (talk) 22:48, January 19, 2013 (UTC)

Stennes Shifter
Awesome work on Stennes Shifter! I'm glad to see it finally be fully fleshed out and everything.--Demos Traxen (talk) 01:20, January 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks! Just got to get through the BTS and it'll be ready for FAN. Your work was really helpful in fleshing out the lead section, so nice work to you as well. :) ~ Savage BOB sig.png 15:31, January 20, 2013 (UTC)

Query about Ithorians
Hey SavageBob. Does the New Essential Guide to Alien Species specify the difference between male and female Ithorians?&mdash; 00:43, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, no, it says nothing about how to tell a male Ithorian from a female one. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 23:52, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Bob.&mdash; 03:17, January 29, 2013 (UTC)

Star Wars Gamer Issue 02
Hello SavageBob, it came to my attention that you owned the supplement Snow Job (as evidenced by your edits there), published within Star Wars Gamer 2. I'd like to know if you could supply me with any info there about the planet Aquilaris, when/if you're available ofc. Thanks in advance. Winterz (talk) 00:58, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, Winterz. I checked the article and skimmed the first few pages, but I didn't see any mention of Aquilaris. Can you tell me in what context it might appear? Like, is it part of some specific character's back story or something? ~ Savage BOB sig.png 12:40, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * I can do that yes. I found some info from it in the Ree article, where it says that "(...) saying that he had visited Aquilaris and Coruscant in pleasure trips". This could be all there is of Aquilaris on the Adventure but just wanted to check it out ;). Winterz (talk) 13:18, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * You probably forgot about this but regardless, I just want to give you the heads up that it isn't necessary anymore. I've now acquired the Gamer magazines. ;) Winterz (talk) 14:47, February 5, 2013 (UTC)
 * Gah, sorry! ~ Savage BOB sig.png 17:33, February 5, 2013 (UTC)

Nho'Apakk
Hello Bob, reviving an old topic, but on the Keeper of the Holocron blog owned by Leland Chee on Facebook, he confirmed Nho'Apakk is the Ewok holding the movie slate that I talked about in November, here's the link: http://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=499391386749353&id=201820953172172. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 01:38, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Excellent! Now if I could only source the slate image. The Yodapedia isn't very good about sourcing images... :( ~ Savage BOB sig.png 13:40, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * We have this sourced to a random French website. Since it's an OOU image, I guess it's... OK... Menkooroo (talk) 14:34, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

Star Tours II even closer to A New Hope?
Hey SavageBob. I suppose you remember I'v been trying to narrow down the exact chronology of Star Tours II. It is now pretty clear that the events of the ride must happen after the liberation of Gial Ackbar and the acquisition of the key to the Massassi Station, which are both set in 1 BBY. However, there is a depiction of Imperials and Rebels fighting on Hoth during the ride, which seems problematic at first. I discovered there was a lesser-known "Battle of Hoth", which took place early in 0 BBY. This would set the events of Star Tours II in 35:3, which means very shortly before A New Hope. What do you think? --LelalMekha (talk) 00:46, February 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * I agree with you that it's probably 0 BBY. However, at this point, we have to be careful about stating that the battle in the game is indeed the lesser-known Battle of Hoth. It may be a third battle for all we know! :) But I think some reasoning such as that you've offered here would be useful on the Star Tours: The Adventures Continue page. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 15:32, February 2, 2013 (UTC)

FAN page reviewing
Hey, Bob,

I'm writing this to you on behalf of the entire Inquisitorius. At our recent meeting, we discussed the current lack of non-INQs who are actively involved in reviewing on the FAN page, and we decided that the best solution was to simply appeal to people to review more. This first paragraph is being sent verbatim to a whole bunch of people, but the following one is being written specifically for you.

Let's get something straight here: You're one of the most active and talented reviewers that the FAN page has. So no, I'm not trying to say that you're not doing enough or not carrying your weight or anything. I'm just sending this message to everyone I can. :D The INQs are trying to breathe some life into the FAN page, and we'd love to have you keep doing what you're doing as a part of this revolution. And if you want to become an even more active reviewer --- like, super-active, or something --- that'd be awesome too! Cheers, and have a great day. Menkooroo (talk) 07:30, February 11, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sounds good! I am trying to be more active than I have in the past. It's tough with grad school duties on top of everything. But I appreciate the kind words and hope I can continue to play my part. :) ~ Savage BOB sig.png 12:23, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Making a better "Timeline of media" revisited
Hi SavageBob, I recently picked up where Morbus Iff left off a while ago on the Timeline of media revamp discussed here, to which you contributed. I'd appreciate your opinion on the near-finished project: User:Tainb'ocu'chulainn/Sandbox Timeline. The forum for the discussion is Forum:SH:Making a better Timeline of media: revisited. Thanks. Tainb&#39;ocu&#39;chulainn (talk) 20:31, February 11, 2013 (UTC)

Apology
Oh, hi! I only saw this now. It's fine, don't worry :). But I really think classifying as sentient is a bit of a stretch, don't you think? I mean, it's speculation.  Stake black   msg 11:47, February 16, 2013 (UTC)

Halloween
Hey, Bob, just noticed that this non-canon story was added to the Halloween article's appearances. Considering the source's officially-licensed status, it's probably something that deserves to be given a brief mention in the BTS regarding Halloween's appearance in that story. Just giving you a heads up since this is something that will probably be brought to the AC meeting eventually. Thanks. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 02:46, February 18, 2013 (UTC)
 * Cool, thanks for the heads up. I'll check it out and add whatever's relevant. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 13:01, February 18, 2013 (UTC)

Tocoyan
Hello Bob, as you worked on the Tocoyan article, just wanted to point out that I don't think there's any proof Neb Dulo was actually affiliated with Jabba, as he could have just been visiting the palace. Nothing from his card text indicates he was explicitly affiliated with Jabba. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 02:08, February 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, cool. That shouldn't affect the Tocoyan article; it merely says he "joined the court of Jabba the Hutt," which being in the court is enough to establish. Luke joined the court, too, when he visited, for example. In this case, join is being used in the sense of "visited," or "was part of (even if temporarily)" rather than "became a permanent member of." ~ Savage BOB sig.png 12:14, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Dromboid
Hey Savage. I just saw your message and checked Au temps de la Guerre des Étoiles. There's not much to say about Dromboid, but here it is: the French dub does not mention the system Amorphia, let alone the Amorphian beings and their power shortage. Instead, the woman's voice says the following (translated for you benefit): "This mini-transmitter benefits from the most recent technological advances and has been granted the Quality Label. It can be delivered the way you see it here or in a kit. The latter formula offers the double advantage of helping you familiarise with the device and of reducing the costs. An assembly instructions cassette has been provided by the manufacturer, and in either case, you are offered warranty. Our specialist will be happy to show you that the assembly of that kit is a child's play."

Another information, which is more revelant to Drmboid himself: the character was dubbed by Jacques Thébault, who used to be the official French voice of Steve McQueen. I have no formal proof of that, unfortunately, but that's definitely his voice. --LelalMekha (talk) 18:31, February 20, 2013 (UTC)

Niado Duegad's species
Hello Bob, most likely Niado Duegad was based off of a sculpt that never made the final cut of Return of the Jedi, but do you know if any source shows the sculpt for his species? Menkooroo brought up the possibility of being in Star Wars: Chronicles. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 07:04, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yep. He's in both The Art of Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi and Star Wars: Chronicles. I'm away for most of the day, but I'll give you the specifics tonight or tomorrow. There's some decent BTS information. :) ~ Savage BOB sig.png 12:05, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Anything new? Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 15:49, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * OK, sorry: I checked again and can't find him in The Art of ROTJ. However, he is in Chronicles. Here's the pertinent info: He was known as "Alien 18." He never made it past the maquette stage since he, like several other Jabba's Palace alien designs, was too difficult to realize as a puppet. Humanoid characters were much easier. The text also notes that it has "features similar to the dianoga trash monster." All this on p. 242. Hope this helps! ~ Savage BOB sig.png 18:35, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 19:43, February 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hello Bob, may I also a request for the info about Soth Petikkin and Bron Burs's maquettes? From talking to Sompeetalay previously, it was my understanding Soth was known as "Alien 25" and was possibly a concept for Jabba's aide. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 02:10, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Rodians
Hey, Bob. Hanzo recently let me know that some of my Rodian articles might have incorrect sources. He suggested that you might be able to verify that. You can see more details here. If you do have the sources and could let me know what they say, I'd appreciate it. Thanks in advance.&mdash; Cal Jedi (Personal Comm Channel) 01:06, February 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * It definitely does help. Thank you very much.&mdash; Cal Jedi Infinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 05:06, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Light side/dark side in TOR
I'm not sure how else to answer you (I can't figure out the talk page) but on the LS/DS argument for ToR you said you had yet to find a quest that had to DS or two LS conversation options at once. If you go full dark on the Imperial Agent's quest line and turn on the Eradicators, your next choice is to join with Jadus by betraying Watcher Two or betray him. betraying Watcher Two being the DS choice. There are TWO conversation options in which you betray Watcher Two. I did both by escaping and repeating the conversation. You gain an equal amount of DS points for both options. There is only one option (I didn't do it so I can't say for certain, but I'm assuming) to not betray Watcher Two, likely an LS choice. Sorry if this was the wrong place, but I couldn't figure out how to reply to you on the talk page.

--Kingsdaughter613 (talk) 04:12, February 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, Kingsdaughter, what thread are you responding to? I think I get the gist of your point, but I'd like to avoid Agent spoilers since I've got one, and I'd like to move your conversation to the right thread so others can see it. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 12:15, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

I saw your comment on the page you reach when you hit the 'community consensus' link. It says the debate there, over whether to make the Imperials DS or LS, is now archived but I'm not sure where the new argument is, if there is one.

--Kingsdaughter613 (talk) 13:36, February 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * Without getting into spoilers, do both of the dark side options in that instance grant the same number of dark side alignment gain? That might be a way to distinguish which one is "canon." ~ Savage BOB sig.png 14:02, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Maybe? It was somewhere on that thread. --Kingsdaughter613 (talk) 14:17, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Oops. I was answering about the original thread. Yes, the two choices gave identical amounts of points. --Kingsdaughter613 (talk) 14:18, February 25, 2013 (UTC)

Naboo Elders
Hey SavageBob! I just posted something in the KB forum, and I believe you may have good insight in the matter judging by your focus on alien species. Please feel free to have a look. ;-) Regards. --LelalMekha (talk) 12:19, February 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Interesting. Unfortunately, I have no idea. I can check Chronicles, but that's the only source I can think of that may have anything to say about the matter. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 13:03, February 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * If you ever have time to check Chronicles, that would appreciated. :) --LelalMekha (talk) 10:11, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, no problem! They are mentioned on p. 117: "The swamps are marked with half-buried stone heads. These relics are veiled in mystery; archeologists do not know if they are giant representations of a vanished race or massive icons devoted to their gods." There's also a picture of one of the heads in production. Looks like at least one of them was sculpted, rather than digital. There's also a shot of a Gungan on top of one of the heads using his macro binocular/farseein things. The caption reads, "A lone militiagung spots the approach of Naboo reinforcements." ~ Savage BOB sig.png 13:55, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you! While it's not the manna I was hoping for, it's still useful to know to which extent they were mentioned in that book. :) --LelalMekha (talk) 13:59, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Image CT
Hey, I wanted to notify you of changes made to the image CT; it has been overhauled following IRC discussion and now only deals with images in scroll boxes. Feel free to review the changed proposal and alter your vote if your opinion on the new issue is different. Thanks! Cade  Calrayn   19:46, February 27, 2013 (UTC)

Pre-GAN question
I plan to expand and nominate Unidentified Aurorient Express band conductor as a GAN, but I'm stuck. His species field was a victim of Dantescifi's species article sprees, and I'm not sure what to do with it. Possible species would be whatever Skeeter is, or even a fat Verpine. I'm banking more on Skeeter's species, due to the facial structure and the little guy's wings (hidden under his green vest). So, what do I do about that part?  Trak Nar  Ramble on 06:35, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes. We do need to revisit that issue on unknown species, don't we? If they were drawn by the same artist, I'd say that's proof enough they're supposed to be the same species. However, in this case, I think it's probably just coincidence. He's definitely not a Verpine. You could always leave species guesswork to the BTS, and mention that his species is undefined, but he looks almost identical to Skeeter. That's probably what I would do! ~ Savage BOB sig.png 14:00, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's pretty much what I was thinking, aside from the Skeeter bit; to put that this guy's species was undefined. Though, since we're on the subject... I spent the article trying to avoid mentioning the guy's gender.  I think it would be safe to assume that it's male, but since the gender can only be determined by the clothing, then I feel safer leaving it ambiguous.  Made for some clunky-ass prose, though.  So, should I go ahead and assume male, or leave it ambiguous?  In the meantime, the Dantescifi stuff is going bye-bye.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 03:53, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hold on, Skeeter has six limbs, this guy only has four, plus the eyes look different, Skeeter's have pupils, this guys look more compound. --Eyrezer (talk) 09:55, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * I worded it as a "passing resemblance," but I could easily nix that entire paragraph. By the way, Skeeter is next on my list for GANs.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 09:57, March 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * Personally, I am still in favour of removing the reference to Skeeter. Good to hear he is next up, though! --Eyrezer (talk) 13:12, March 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * The reference to Skeeter has been nixed, and a while back, I had deleted those "unidentified" articles attached to this conductor, his bandmates, and the band itself. Now, though, I have another question...  Throughout the article, I attempted to remain gender-neutral in my wording.  Unfortunately, it comes off as redundant and clunky at times.  Considering this fellow's attire and build, would it be safe to assume that he's a male, and word the article accordingly?  Or should I keep my gender-neutral wording, no matter how repetitive is is?  Trak Nar  Ramble on 11:17, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * If he were a humanoid, it might be a different issue, but since he's insectoid, it's hard to tell. Lots of insectoids in Star Wars material have several genders, including neuter drones. I'd leave it ambiguous and use lots of synonyms, even if it leads to less-than-elegant wordings here and there. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 11:29, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh boy, an excuse to use "maestro!" :D  Trak Nar  Ramble on 11:34, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, one of my GAN objections is to make an article for the conductor's species. Is it notable enough?  Do we have any other insectoids this guy could possibly be?  Should I just make a no-nonsense article for this little guy?  Trak Nar  Ramble on 01:51, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, since he doesn't seem to match Skeeter due to the arms issue, there's really no telling. Canon tends to play fast and loose with insectoid sentient species (as the Pera shows), but there's little harm in creating a bare-bones article for this guy's species, I suppose. He doesn't look particularly like anything else we know of, as far as I know. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 12:40, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Queen Kylantha
Hello Bob. Don't you happen to know, by chance, if there's a source that states Kylantha had been Queen of Naboo for long at the time of Star Wars Galaxies? I'm asking this because, as it happens too often, her article says she was queen from 18 BBY, and yet no source is given. I just created this article, which raises a continuity conflict. --LelalMekha (talk) 12:34, March 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Other than Galaxies itself or The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia, I don't know of anything. Maybe search around for Galaxies info? Unfortunately, I never played the game, so sorry I can't be of much help. :/ ~ Savage BOB sig.png 13:26, March 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, then. But I suppose you do own a copy of The New Essential Guide to Alien Species? I'm having trouble with Naboo-related articles, and some answers may lie within that book. You see, it's stated everywhere on the Wook that Naboo's monarchy became elective in 150 BBY, at the end of the Naboo-Gungan War and with the reign of Queen Yram. However, again, the sourcing and referencing in the articles is less than satisfying. I can't even find a single explicit mention of that so-called "Jafan Dynasty"... Could you have a look in your spare moments? LelalMekha (talk) 17:02, March 4, 2013 (UTC)

Jawas
Didn't want to risk turning the talk page into a lengthy discussion, so I'll post here. Hope you don't mind. My reasoning is that his backstory developed by Decipher does not mesh as well as the others already confirmed to be in Jabba's Palace onscreen at the time of RotJ. The number of Jawa's that Decipher created surrounding Jabba's Palace already exceeds the number of Jawa's actually seen onscreen during RotJ. I'm inclined to think that the Jawa on the left may actually be Kalit and the one on the right, Aved Luun as they are a mated pair. Also there is a deleted scene from RotJ that has two Jawas stamping on Luke's hands/pushing him back down with an ion blaster as he hangs from the grate in the floor after having jumped from the Rancor Pit. I think we need to confirm the total number of Jawa's present in Jabba's palace from Leland (or Pablo considering the work he's been doing over at the StarWars.com blog) and who is who exactly before applying the duck test. Also Decipher is notorious for misrepresenting characters with images of other characters. Rokkur Shen (talk) 14:02, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * That all sounds logical except for one thing: we can't necessarily assume that the Jawas on those two Decipher cards were present at Jabba's palace during the events of ROTJ, just that they were present at some point. In other words, there's no hard-and-fast rule that the Decipher cards must all represent folks present in Jabba's palace when Luke visits it. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 16:14, March 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ok I decided to look into this and explain it in more depth. Herat and Aved Luun have been confirmed as appearing in RotJ by the StarWars.com databank and Kalit & Wittin by Who's Who in Jabba's Palace in Insider 60. The last Jawa was confirmed to be Snipp Nkik in the Rogues gallery in Insider 134 which also showed Herat. The odd one out is R'kik D'nec who has never even been associated with Jabba in any of the EU lore, aside from being included as a card in the Jabba's Palace set. All I'm really getting at is that R'kik D'nec's page is no longer "comprehensive" with Hanzo removing the image and my comment. Decipher obviously used the image of the Jawa from production photos and this should be noted on the R'kik D'nec page for it to be "comprehensive". As all the Jawas seen onscreen have been accounted for I'm now of the opinion that R'kik D'nec cannot be the same as the Jawa pictured on the left. The Jawa on the left must be either Herat, Kalit or Wittin. Snipp Nkik wears his bandolier over the opposite shoulder so it obviously is not him. Which means that Aved Luun must be the Jawa on the right as the same picture is used in her databank entry. Hope this makes sense. Rokkur Shen (talk) 03:04, March 7, 2013 (UTC)
 * Upon actually looking into the issue, I would agree that a note should indeed be made. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 03:27, March 7, 2013 (UTC)

Unidentified Tocoyan thug
Hello Bob, I notice in your Tocoyan FA, you refer to the Unidentified Tocoyan thug who Guri defeated as male, yet in that character's article, the gender is said to be unidentified. I assume that then saying the thug was male in the Tocoyan article was an error, but it could have been the opposite, so please fix whichever is in error. Thanks. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 04:16, March 14, 2013 (UTC)
 * Good eye. I fixed Tocoyan, since the gender is unclear. The clothes suggest a male, but I suppose we can't be sure. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 14:20, March 14, 2013 (UTC)

Bron Burs in Chronicles
Hello Bob, does Star Wars: Chronicles show enough of the anatomy of the maquette for Bron Burs to prove his species are humanoid? I'd say almost certainly yes, but want to verify first. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 16:20, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, all it shows is the head and shoulders, so beyond that, we can't really say much about their anatomy. That head, however, is quite detailed and a lot can be written about it alone... ~ Savage BOB sig.png 17:00, March 15, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 17:20, March 15, 2013 (UTC)

Lonn Idd's repair station
Hi, I was wondering if you had any plans regarding the magnificient Lonn Idd's repair station or should I go ahead and try improve it to status by myself. If not, I prolly still would need your experise on the related material. (: – Tm_T@Wookieepedia:&#126;$ 12:23, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, Tm! Nope, I don't have any plans. I'm just going through all our Droids and Ewoks comic articles to update the images now that the Dark Horse Omnibus version is out. Until now, we've had to rely on scans of decades-old comic books, but now we can actually get some decent-quality images from these old stories. In other words, if you want to improve that article, go for it! And let me know if you need images of anything from the issue. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 12:34, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thanks sir! Back in the day when I was crawling through those Droids comics I didn't find any related information from them, but have you happened to stumble on any other sources for the station or Tig Fromm's starship? (: – Tm_T@Wookieepedia:&#126;$ 12:40, March 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Nope, I haven't. The only one I can think that may mention it is "Star Wars Droids: The Adventures of R2-D2 and C-3PO" from Polyhedron magazine. Other than that, I doubt it would have shown up anywhere. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 13:04, March 19, 2013 (UTC)

Preigo's Carnival
Hey SavageBob. A long time ago, in this galaxy, you sent me a BtS picture of Preigo's Traveling Aurore-class freighter with an inscription in Huttese. I just wanted to give you a follow-up analysis. From what I can see, the text definitely reads "Preigo's carnival" in English. However, only two letters come from the same alphabet used in SWTOR and Jedi Academy&mdash;the letters A and V, that is. Not that it helps... I find this quite depressing: I mean they actually made up a new alphabet instead of using the existing one. --LelalMekha (talk) 16:52, March 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * That is unfortunate. It doesn't surprise me, since this is Clone Wars we're talking about. Maybe it's Shell Huttese or some other alphabet that we don't now about... ~ Savage BOB sig.png 17:23, March 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * I did, however, create an article on "Jabba's alphabet," which has only appeared in Star Wars: Episode I Racer, to my knowledge. As you can see, it was originally created for merchandising purposes back in 1997, and the entire mapping of that alphabet is known. --LelalMekha (talk) 17:34, March 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Another update on that matter. I just discovered that picture in the trivia gallery of TCW episode Friends and Enemies. It seems that TCW artists did create their own Huttese alphabet, as the letters shown here are consistent with those shwon on the "Preigo's Carnival" vehicle. With those two pics and the translations they provide, we now know eighteen letters (A, C, D, E, G, H, I, L, M, N, O, P, R, S, T, U, V, Y). --LelalMekha (talk) 17:01, April 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Oh, cool. Nice detective work! ~ Savage BOB sig.png 17:07, April 9, 2013 (UTC)

Image deletions
Just a note that when tagging an image for deletion on the basis of having been replaced by a higher quality version, please provide a link to the better version in the deletion tag. This is needed because the admins must verify that the replacement image is indeed higher quality. Without such a link, deletion is likely to be declined, as I have done with your recent tags. Thanks. &mdash;MJ&mdash; War Room 03:39, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * That's fine, but it's a very labor-intensive process to update these images. Basically, I'm going through all the Ewoks and Droids comics and cartoons. If I have to add links to the new versions, it's actually just easier to leave the replaced images unused and let them be deleted through WookieeProject Images. But that takes much longer. If that's the route I should take, that's fine, but I hope I am well-established enough that y'all will trust me that the scans from the Omnibus from Dark Horse will be better quality than scans of 30-year-old comic books... For what it's worth, the .jpg is being replaced by .png, so you can always find the inferior image by replacing the extension. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 04:04, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * And upon rereading this after a night's sleep, it sounds kinda pissy. I apologize about that; I wasn't trying to be obtuse or difficult. :) And just to clarify: Is it preferable to use the Delete template, or to use ? Or both? I'm happy to adopt whatever works best from y'all's end. ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 11:08, March 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem. As to the deletion template, either one works (but not both at once). Ifd is technically misused, as it's supposed to require listing the image on WP:IFD for a one-week discussion period, but no one does that and everyone else these days uses it for standard speedy deletion of images, so no one will complain if you do too. (I've been considering TCing both WP:IFD and Ifd for that reason for a while now, but that's a different discussion.) Basically, use whichever one you prefer; they both land the image in a deletion category and on my admin dashboard. :) &mdash;MJ&mdash; War Room 17:50, March 21, 2013 (UTC)

WP:AS related articles
Hey Bob. Quick question. Are the related articles of WP:ALIENS included in the CA, GA and FA count?  Stake black   msg 18:19, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, Sb. Nope; we debated putting them in there at one point, but then decided we wanted the count to accurately reflect the number of species plain and simple, not related stuff like sentientologists, biological classifications, etc. What article did you have in mind? ~ Savage BOB sig.png 19:55, March 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * I was thinking about porting this idea to WP:AST, really. But thanks for the reply.  Stake black   msg 20:24, March 22, 2013 (UTC)

Clearing the air
Hey Bob, I apologize if it seems that I've been very reluctant to the objections, it's been a bad week for me. To tell the truth, the next few weeks will be worse as the anniversary of my father's death draws near, but even so. I wanted to clear the air and let you know that I will strive to do better and that it was nothing against you.&mdash; 09:54, April 6, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hey, no need to apologize. I wasn't upset! Sorry if it came off like I was! :) I'm sorry to hear about your father's passing, and I hope everything is peaceful for you in the next few days. I'll revisit my objections to the CAN soon. ~ Savage BOB sig.png 13:26, April 6, 2013 (UTC)

RE: Bosph reviews
Hey Bob thanks for the heads up I'd totally forgotten about correcting the other articles I'd written until yesterday when you commented on it and had been meaning to fix it today which I've now done. I've also made the caption for the Moff Harsh image a full sentence. Is there an other objections I've missed? I think I've corrected all the others currently listed. Ayrehead02 (talk) 15:26, April 7, 2013 (UTC)