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Removing content
Please do not remove content from Wookieepedia. It is considered vandalism. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Jonjedigrandmaster ( Talk ) 18:23, January 5, 2011 (UTC) I have corrected the page of kalast. There was a mistake in the class of the isd. Hk 47 19:33, January 5, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok but I have explicated my modifications in talk page. I'm sure for taris but perhaps I made a mistake for the kalast page. Hk 47 19:29, January 5, 2011 (UTC)

Image caching issues
Tag the image with WISS if it doesn't appear to update properly. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 21:18, May 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks for the deletion. Hk 47 21:20, May 24, 2011 (UTC)

Invasion of Kashyyyk (Galactic Civil War)
As decided on the GAN page, the invasion and the battle are to be considered two separate events as the the battle took place well after the invasion. The Imperials had already built a base and enslaved most of the local Wookiees before the Rebels even found out. MasterFred (Whatever) 14:10, May 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes but the invasion took place just after the clone wars. The wookies are already enslaved in all sources of the galactic civil war. And they were freed in galactic battleground.Hk 47 14:54, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

Yavin 4 battles
Hello there,

I was just checking in to see why you had removed the "merge" template from Second Battle of Yavin 4 and Fourth Battle of Yavin 4. Corellian PremierAll along the watchtower 16:07, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Hello. Yes I know there is too much battles of Yavin 4 there is not link between these two. The second (I have found a picture !) is a small mission to recover the survivors of the death star and the fourth is a large assault with Vader and the 501st.Hk 47 16:13, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, the link is the timing (immediately after the destruction of the Death Star). Is it okay if I place the merge templates back on the articles, and we can continue this discussion on the article talk pages? Corellian PremierRobotech.jpg along the watchtower 16:26, December 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes if you want.Hk 47 18:47, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

Inexorable
Hey, Hk. I archived Inexorable (Imperial II-class), so whenever you feel its ready to be nominated for Good status, feel free to nominate it. Also, for future reference, please do not remove the CAnom template from an article unless you are going to archive it. Removing it before it is archived makes the archiving process more complicated. Thank you.&mdash; Cal Jedi (Personal Comm Channel) 21:17, January 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, thanks it's done. Hk 47 21:41, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Congratulations!
Hk 47! Congratulations on being elected February's Wookieepedian of the Month. Your hard work here hasn't gone unnoticed, and you definitely deserve the honour! :)

On the front page of Wookieepedia, you've probably seen the Wookieepedia newsnet over on the right side. There's currently an attempt to revive it, and in the past, the Wookieepedian of the Month was always interviewed. If you're up for it, I was hoping I could interview you! The questions would be pretty basic ones; you can see some past interviews here. I could ask you the questions here on your talk page, or if you prefer e-mail, shoot me one at gradualferguson@hotmail.com. Let me know. A link to the interview would appear in the newsnet feed, and consequently on Wookieepedia's main page. Congratulations again! Menkooroo 06:37, February 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks Menkooroo. For this interview, we can do it if you want, although I'm not sure people could be very interested for my answers! You can ask me the questions on this talk page. I'm french so excuse me if my english is not perfect. Hk 47 12:25, February 6, 2012 (UTC)

Second Battle of Mon Calamari
Not really sure why you reverted my edits since I sourced them and have the books directly in front of me and can see they're accurate, and you didn't give any justification for the edits...174.78.141.147 17:08, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think you confound with this : Mission to Dac. Hk 47 18:25, April 4, 2012 (UTC)

Warfare
Hey, Hk 47, I noticed you've been doing a lot of work with articles from The Essential Guide to Warfare recently. Would you like to join WookieeProject Warfare?

Just add your name to the Participants section of the project page with #. Thanks! — Cade  Calrayn   18:13, April 8, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, it's done. Hk 47 18:37, April 8, 2012 (UTC)

Comic images
Your comic images are good, but please be advised that according to the image policy, text should only be removed from speech bubbles if the bubble is cut off by cropping. If the bubble is intact, the text should remain. Thanks! -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 00:46, June 3, 2012 (UTC) Oh, I didn't knwow, sorry for those ones. Hk 47 00:54, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Edit summary
Hello. Please remember to provide an edit summary more often. Thanks and happy edits. (i.e. here and here&mdash;it would also help greatly if you used the Jundland Wastes Sandbox for proofing your edits until they are finalized before posting them to the article.) &mdash; Gethralkin  Hyperwave 11:05, June 4, 2012 (UTC)

Insurrection
I noticed you uploaded to file for the Kreetan Narrows. Would you mind uploading one for the Sy Myrthian Insurrection? Mine seems to be quite faded near the edges, and yours looks much nicer. The reason I'm asking you is because the Sy Myrthian Insurrection is directly above the Narrows on the map, and you got a bit but no all in the picture. Also, you might still have the non cropped version you cut the narrows picture from on your computer. Thanks for your time, 501st  dogma ( talk ) 22:54, June 30, 2012 (UTC)
 * hello. Yes my picture was only for the Kreetan Narrows. I can upload you another for the campaign.Hk 47 (talk) 00:25, July 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Ok, that's done but I don't manage to have a really good quality.Hk 47 (talk) 00:26, July 1, 2012 (UTC)
 * Its far better than my orignial upload. Thanks! 501st  dogma ( talk ) 12:11, July 1, 2012 (UTC)

Mon Cal
Unfortunately, the Ambush at Mon Calamari precedes the Defense of Mon Calamari, and the Ambush has to follow the Liberation because two Mon Cal cruisers were present. The Ambush occurs in the Imperial storyline, before the cross-campaign mission Liberation of Kashyyyk, and the Defense occurs post-Kashyyyk. I don't know where you're getting that the Defense occurred right after the Liberation, but it's fairly unlikely. Cade  Calrayn   16:37, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hello, I agree with you about the ambush, it's clearly a diffrent battle. But in the rebel campaign, there is a galactic interlude that makes the transition between the missions "smuggler's raid" and "defense of mon calamari". During this transition, the Empire loses the control of the planet and Mon calamari joins the alliance. Mon Mothma says : "The Mon Calamari have thrown off Imperial control..." The liberation of the planet is the reason why the Imperial fleet attacks the planet in the following mission "defense of mon calamari".Hk 47 (talk) 16:51, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * That is most likely the Mon Calamari "throwing off" the Imperial control that results from the Ambush. The reason the Imps attack in the Ambush is because they suspect Dac is seceding, and they're right. They reconquer the planet, destroying some Mon Cal cruisers in the process, and then the Mon Calamari must overthrow them again between the Ambush and the Defense. As the Second Battle on Mon Calamari's BTS states, the game contrasts with several other sourcebooks. Ackbar's entry in the New Essential Guide to Characters confirms that the Second Battle of Mon Calamari - the first time Ackbar frees his planet after being rescued - happens before the Battle of Turkana, which precedes the Star Wars: X-wing series of missions, and the X-wing battle series precedes the Corellia, Vergesso, and Corulag missions in Empire at War (and therefore the Carida raid and the Defense of Mon Calamari). Oh, and that brings up another point&mdash;the Ambush at Mon Calamari has to follow the Second Battle of Mon Calamari. X-wings are present at the Ambush, which means that the ambush follows the Fresian campaign (a Rebel series of missions early in the Rebel campaign in Empire at War), since that's how the Rebels got ahold of the X-wings in the first place. And the Battle of Turkana is the first time the X-wings are used, so it has to precede the Ambush, and also Mon Cal cruisers are present at the battle. Basically, I'm saying that the Mon Cal must have freed their planet a second time sometime between the Ambush and the Defense, because every other source points to the Second Battle of Mon Calamari being before the Empire at War campaigns. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 17:22, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Il's very difficult to compare the timelines of Eaw and the x-wng game. In fact, both begin approximately with the appearance of the x-wing and end with the battle of Yavin. In empire at war, the liberation of dac mentionned in the rebel campaign follows directly the liberation of ackbar. More important, we learn that this liberation led for the first time mon cal cruisers to join the rebellion. I think the liberation mentionned in EaW is The liberation and the battle of Turkana and the Defense of Mon Calamari are soon after (I think the defense is before turkana). The x-wing game follows those events. Hk 47 (talk) 18:58, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * For one thing, I'd invite you to look at my work with the Timeline of the Galactic Civil War. I used every source available to complete and untangle it.

But here's a better explanation for why the Liberation preceded the Ambush, and how Turkana can't be before the Defense:
 * The Second Battle of Mon Calamari is Ackbar's first liberation of the planet, resulting in the contribution of several Mon Cal cruisers to the Rebels. Then we have the start of the Rebel campaign in EaW with the First Battle of Kashyyyk, which is followed by the Fresian campaign. The placement of the Empire campaign is iffy until the Subjugation of Geonosis, which includes X-wings.  Therefore, it must follow the Battle of Turkana, which is the first time that the X-wings are used, and the Battle of Turkana follows the Fresian campaign because that's how the Rebels get the X-wings.
 * Then, X-wing and the two Empire at War campaigns run their paths until the Liberation of Kashyyyk, which is concurrent for both sides in Empire at War. And Kashyyyk is preceded by the Ambush at Mon Calamari, which places Dac back under Imperial control.
 * The Rebel campaign and the X-wing battles converge at the Battle of the Circarpous system and the Subjugation of Ralltiir. Ralltiir has to come before the Raid above Corellia, the Scanning in the Vergesso Asteroids, and the Raid over Corulag because Raymus Antilles has not yet been assigned to the Tantive IV at Ralltiir. At Corellia, Vergesso, and Corulag, he commands the Sundered Heart, and after Corulag he is assigned by Mon Mothma to the Tantive on Leia's mission to mission to Kattada. As for the Circarpous system, the Intrepid was the first Star Destroyer to be destroyed by the Rebellion (it's not a game mechanics thing). Since Han Solo is rescued from a Star Destroyer (which is destroyed) at Corellia, it has to follow the Circarpous system conflict.
 * From there, it's a straight line in terms of Empire at War to the Defense of Mon Calamari. Therefore, the Imperials had to be forced of off Mon Calamari sometime between the Ambush at Mon Calamari (where they recapture the planet after it is freed in the Second Battle of Mon Calamari) and the Defense of Mon Calamari (where Ackbar is defending the Rebel-controlled planet from Imperial aggressors.
 * The Liberation/Second Battle also had to precede the Imperial Ambush in Empire at War, because the Battle of Turkana has Mon Cal cruisers (which the Rebels only got after the Liberation) and is the first time X-wings are used after the Fresian campaign.

The Liberation might have happened during the Fresian campaign (There isn't any more info on that), but it had to precede the Ambush. Sorry if that's rather complicated. Cade  Calrayn   19:28, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * There is too much contradictions. I was even completly agreeing with you at a moment but with more thinking it's impossible. I think we have to forget the fact X-wing were first used in the battle of turkana. It's a massive change but it is the most logical. Like the first destroyer destroyed at Circarpous, these informations were made completly obsolete by all the more recent sources (see all the ISDs destroyed at Kamino in TFU 2). The liberation in the rebel campaign is clearly the first liberation. It was clearly explained in the story that Ackbar and the Mon Calamari has not joined the rebellion until the liberation mentionned in the Rebel campaign and this liberation of dac directly follows the liberation of ackbar. The story also explains that this was the smuggler's mission that allowed the mon calamari to arm their ship for the first time and liberate their world. It doesn't conflict with previous sources excepted the Xwings use at turkana. There is of course a problem with this ambush but this battle seems ambiguously canon. I think the correct timeline is: battle of kamino, fresian campaign, beginning of EaW, liberation of Dac, defense of Dac, battle of turkana and all the X-wing game. In fact, all this discussion raises the issue of the inconsistencies between the too many sources. Hk 47 (talk) 21:05, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * We cannot throw out sources just because you think they don't match up with your own views. The X-wing was first used at Turkana, a point that is sourced to Empire at War, and you can't call the Imperial campaign ambiguously canon and the Rebel campaign canon&mdash;they're both canon, though they didn't occur exactly concurrently. I'm sorry, but you're really not arguing your point well. I noticed while creating my sourced timeline that you have attempted to linearize the course of the Galactic Civil War by connecting random events into some sort of a straight timeline without any sources to back you up, so you're really on shaky ground when it comes to claiming that the Liberation happened between Carida and the Defense. Multiple sources back me up and disprove your claims, and it's perfectly reasonable that the Mon Calamari or the Rebels would defeat the Imperial forces that recaptured the planet during the Ambush. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 21:33, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * While you did bring up a valid point about the Star Destroyer thing being rendered moot, my point still stands. Circarpous is directly followed by a mission where Keyan Farlander delivers the information on the Death Star that was recovered in the Cron Drift to Princess Leia aboard the Tantive, and Mon Mothma sends Raymus Antilles to rescue Han in the Raid above Corellia because she needs Han's help in investigating the rumors that Leia has gathered. . Turkana precedes the Ambush and Defense of Mon Calamari (because it's the first time X-wings are used), so the Ambush and Defense have to follow the Liberation/Second Battle of Mon Calamari.  Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 21:10, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I think we must take other people opinion about Dac. Anyway I just noticed a mistake about another point. You say, Han was rescued (Raid above Corellia) to investigate about Leia's information. In EaW, this was the pirates from Atzerri's informations (First Battle of Atzerri) that led to the Raid over Corulag, Leia was not involved at this point. After Corulag, Antilles was transfered to the Tantive IV for Leia's final mission. This indicate that the Battle of Kattada took place after those events. The Essential Atlas recently better clarified the last events of operation Skyhook. It stated that Leia's missions to Ralltiir and Kattada is more or less concurent with the theft of the plans at danuta (Kyle katarn's mission) and that Leia directly flew from Kattada to recover the plans at Toprawa. Hk 47 (talk) 22:05, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Yes, I might have confused the reasoning behind the Corulag mission, but my point is still perfectly valid. If you had bothered to look at the timeline, you would have seen that Kattada is accurately placed post-Corulag, for the reasons I stated above and you restated.  The Atzerri pirates/Kalast, the Cron Drift mission, and Leia's conversation with Lord Tion between the Subjugation of Ralltiir and the Battle of Kattada are all reasons that Mon Mothma recruits Han.  The three different sources of info directly contributed to her decision, as Leia's conversation with Tion brought up the words Death Star, and Mothma (secretly) knew what that was. But my point about Dac still stands, and is backed up by multiple sources.  Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 22:40, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * Actually, looking though the Atzerri info, it appears that Atzerri had nothing to do with the Death Star. A pirate tried to sell info on the Alliance, not the Death Star.   Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 22:43, July 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * I have updated the First Battle of Atzerri page with the quotes and the missing informations. Hk 47 (talk) 00:13, July 17, 2012 (UTC)

Biggs
As stated on Biggs' own page, in the Behind the Scenes: "Years later, in a retcon that helped explain these inconsistencies, the comic story Star Wars: Empire: Darklighter revealed through Biggs' narration that he had already joined the Rebellion, and kept the whole truth from Luke in that deleted scene to protect him."



Also, another section from that article, sourced to that comic arc, states that Darklighter came and visited his father on Tatooine before Episode IV, after he joined the Rebellion. Don't try to change the chronology unless you can actually prove that there is a flaw. Where does it say in Darklighter that it happened after Tatooine? Don't re-add the info until you can prove it, please. Cade  Calrayn   16:07, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * In Empire: Darklighter, the mutiny on the Rand Ecliptic takes place after Biggs return from Tatooine. The battle of tatooine is featured during this trip on tatooine. Which source change the chronology ? Hk 47 (talk) 16:16, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia comfirms the mutiny took place after his trip on Yavin (Biggs entry). Hk 47 (talk) 16:26, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? What trip to Yavin? No other source even remotely suggests what you're saying, so I suggest you upload images of the comic in question you say this info comes from.  Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 16:28, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Besides the fact that the image is improperly sourced and will be deleted, that doesn't prove anything. What is the context for that? The preceding or following pages, maybe? Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 16:36, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * To resume Datlighter... After being promoted at the academyn, Biggs returns to Tattoine where he says to Luke he will join the Rebellion. Luke has just seen the battle in space earlier with his binoculars (see picture). Biggs later leaves Tatooine and go to the rand ecliptic for the first time. The mutiny takes place later. The second picture is from the complete encyclopedia.Hk 47 (talk) 16:56, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * And as the BTS quote I gave you above states, Darklighter was already a member of the Alliance at that point. I can see how you got confused - Empire 9 is a flashback to events that happened before his visit to Tatooine in Empire 8. The Rand Ecliptic, Incom, and convoy missions can't happen after the Battle of Tatooine, since Darklighter participates in the Ambush in the Cron Drift during Operation Skyhook, before the movie starts. Despite any inconsistencies, we have to go with that, because we can't through out X-wing as a source. Also, in Empire 8, Darklighter narrates that "several eventful months have passed" between when he left Tatooine and when he returned at the beginning of ANH.  Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 17:03, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Oh, and sorry, but that Encyclopedia entry must be flawed, because ANH happened over the course of one or two weeks (Alderaan was between 35:3:5 and 35:3:12). It couldn't have been "within weeks" that he accomplished all of that. Plus the reasons I stated above about Biggs' mission in the Cron Drift. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 17:12, July 18, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hey you are right about the flashback I have downlodad the different issues of the comics because I have the tpb version. And it was more clear like this. The tpb is quite different in the organisation. Sorry!! Anyway, it seems the encyclopedia made the same mistake! Hk 47 (talk) 18:52, July 18, 2012 (UTC)

Appendix
Ah I hadn't realised the authors had officially said that I'll go back through and make any needed changes. Thanks for the tip and sorry I'll remember to source in future. Ayrehead02 (talk) 02:02, August 28, 2012 (UTC)
 * Thanks for all the tips. Sorry I'm rushing through these and probably missed a few thing I'll try and finish up and recheck them. Ayrehead02 (talk) 20:54, August 28, 2012 (UTC)