Talk:Mace Windu/Legends

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The Body of Mace Windu
Was Windu's corpse ever recovered in the Expanded Universe? OxfordScholar09 15:31, 30 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Not that I know of. I wrote it in a fanfic, so I had to research and make sure it never was. If it was, it was not recorded. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 16:05, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Mace Windu Lives!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Final Battle
Some of you may want to space me just for even thinking this out loud, but I've always said be proud of what you think, so here it goes. As I read the Episode III novelization, it appeared the Mace kept pushing himself to keep up with Palpatine, and that Vaapad was using your "darkness" with out letting it use you. And also, Mace's love for the Republic, and his reaction that the Jedi Order was under the control of the Sith also gave me some pause. Finally, the fact that Mace was going to kill Palpatine unarmed (but I admit, not defenseless), leads me to what may be a horrorfying thought?

In his last battle, could Mace Windu have been touching the dark side? -- SFH 00:28, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

No of course not! Its a good thought but as you said he was fighting for the Republic he loved! Also Palpatine had control over the Senate and the Courts, a trail would have been useless and in the end the jedi would have had to kill Palps


 * "In his last battle, could Mace Windu have been touching the dark side?"
 * That is a definite possibility. There was a lot that was wrong with the old Jedi Order. If you love somebody, and you think she's going to die, and you go to Yoda with your concerns and instead of comforting you he tells you to be happy about it, how can anybody say there is nothing wrong with that? Face it, those old Jedi were a cult of nutjobs, Windu included.
 * The most telling thing about that encounter to me is that Windu was willing to abandon "the Jedi Way" in favor of expediency. Those old Jedi lived their lives in rigid adherence to a strict code of behaviour. Any deviation from it supposedly led to the dark side, right? It's the reason they weren't allowed to form attachments, the reason they couldn't pursue romantic relationships. Like many things, it came down to the question "do the ends justify the means?" The Jedi Order of old, for all its faults, felt that the ends did not justify the means and that some means were simply not acceptable. Hence the strict code of behaviour.
 * In the end, Anakin felt that the ends justified the means, speficically that the end of keeping his wife alive justified...well, it justified just about any means, including mass murder. So that was wrong. But before he made that conclusion, he tried to tell Windu that killing an unarmed Palpatine in cold blood flew in the face of the Jedi code of behaviour, that those were unacceptable means. Windu said that it didn't matter. In order to rid the galaxy of an evil individual, he was willing to go against the Jedi code. He was willing to do a bad thing for a good reason. If that isn't the dark side, I don't know what is. It's a hell of a lot more dark side than getting married! Man, I'm sorry, but I lost all respect for the Jedi Order when I learned about the ban on having a girlfriend or boyfriend, I mean that's just insane, as is anybody who believes in it. --HanShotFirst 23:36, 31 August 2006 (UTC)
 * There is definately descripancy (sp) in the original trilogy's policy on redemption and the prequel's. In Episode VI Luke wishes to redeem his father, but Obi Wan doesn't want to let him. Obi Wan thinks that Vader is dangerous and must die. It would seem that Mace would think the same and he does with Palpatine. But at the same time we have the Code, and the fact that it was not the Jedi way to kill Dooku execution style. All three instances, weak opponents, opponents that could be cut down easily, in one Luke is encouraged to kill the relatively defenseless Vader, but later it is revealed that this would turn him to the dark side, (when Luke cut off Vader's hand.) I think it's not as definate as we make it out to be. By following the Jedi Code with such devotion as Mac and Obi Wan did, they did become somewhat dark themselves.-- [[User:Graal|Graal] 11:01, October 05, 2006 (UTC)

there seems to be a lot of...interesting variations to the jedi moral code throughout the series. also, don't discount the view of some jedi that there is neither light nor dark to the force, that the force weilder is the one who descides. considering this, mace would be really difficult to see as either good or evil. and just because mace was "fighting for the republic he loves" doesn't meen he wasn't evil. technically, anakin was fighting for the love of padme, but we still consider him evil. also, the views of the jedi on morality differ greatly from jedi to jedi, as seen in the differences between the "old jedi code" (no marriage, ect.) and the code that luke establishes later on. seeing as the jedi themselves couldn't seem to come to any conclusions as to good and evil, it's fairly difficult to do so in regards to mace. Bluemoonflame 06:47, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
 * True, and the Force is something that may never be fully explained to us. I don't believe Mace was touching the dark side, and if Force lightning is considered a weapon (it's certainly lethal), than Palpatine was armed and Mace could be justified in killing him. Obi-Wan and Yoda certainly intended to destroy the threat of the Sith- by killing both of them, and they didn't turn to the dark side. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 06:55, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

I will not spac e you

Sometimes we have to realize that killing someone is a necessary evil. It's like a police sniper taking out a man who has hostages and is about to kill them. Mace didn't want to take a "helpless" and "untried" man's life, but this man was the ultimate enbodiment of evil that would bear responsibility for the deaths of BILLIONS. He was doing his grim duty. If only Anakin hadn't interfered. 75.14.45.58 02:08, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Was Mace played like puppet during his duel with Sidious?

 * I dont think he was played. But nor do i think Sidious fought to his best ability. I think sids was just stalling for time until Anakin arrived, then he could play the "defeated chancellor". But I think if Sids wanted to REALLY beat Mace, he wouldv tried a heck of alot harder.
 * You can checked the Behind the scenes section of Duel in the Chancellor's Office for more details - I work very hard on writing them. Darth Kevinmhk 18:20, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Death of Mace pic
The flashing skull seems kind of dumb when we have pics that show his death and tell us more about it. I have included two pics for your consideration. - Angel Blue 451 00:33, 27 August 2006 (UTC)




 * The current one looks fine to me. Darth Kevinmhk 02:54, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

Well, wouldn't it be better if we had a pic that said more than, "Mace is being electrocuted"? Or at least showed more of his body? - Angel Blue 451 05:26, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I dont like the quality / resolution of these 2... though the left one is in my eyes better than the right. I would capture one myself if not for my faulted dvd drive. I'm open to proposals, of course. Between the two I would choose the left. Darth Kevinmhk 10:44, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Here is a bit better quality version of the left screenshot. - Angel Blue 451 14:49, 27 August 2006 (UTC)[[Image:Zapped.PNG|thumb|right|250px]]
 * I beg your pardon... but the new one was from the right one! Darth Kevinmhk 15:01, 27 August 2006 (UTC)
 * So it is. Sorry, still waking up. - Angel Blue 451 15:18, 27 August 2006 (UTC)

What does this matters with the film, skulls don't prevent you from watching it, and I must say I have a low opinion to the pictures!--Master Chief Petty Officer 10:23, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Has He Ever Had Hair?
Was Mace Windu bald as a kid too, or did he start shaving his head later? LOL. --69.34.149.82 21:37, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Flow of the Light and Dark
I'de like to see a section on him and his connection to the dark side. You know, like when he used Force Crush on grevious. They go into a little bit of depth on that on the juyo page.

Death?
How do we know that he died?He may have survived.
 * Ye...no. And sign your comments with four tildes. .  .  .  .  03:00, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
 * MACE WINDU LIVES! Mace is still alive, as the force made an absorbent shield to protect him from the pain. Master Mace 01:55, 19 December 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, and I suppose Jango Fett is alive too, that his head was actually under the false helmet. And I suppose that Darth Vader doesn't die, but instead wakes up after passing out, giving his son a spare set of his armor to burn so he can disappear from the public eye!!


 * And I suppose that Admiral Ozzel and Captain Needa in Episode V weren't killed by Vader; they just passed out in extreme pain.


 * Just face it, if Mace Windu is alive, so is every single stormtrooper that Han Solo ever blasted, so is the little Ewok that stops moving in Episode VI. Palpatine probably didn't die in Episode VI either; the dark side blast was just a ruse to make Luke think he was dead...


 * Think these things sound ridiculous? They're just as ridiculous as the theory of Mace Windu still being alive. He's dead, just like all the other poor and unfortunate jedi. Stop trying to ruin a good, tragic death.  My name's Doncroft on Wikipedia. Sorry I'm not signed in.75.14.45.58 02:14, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

Mace's Clone Commander???

 * I have a purple airbourne trooper figure that came with the Target battlepack, Mace Windu's Battilion. Does that clone commander have a name? Quinlanfan 00:18, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

New Introduction?
Hey guys!

What do u think about the introduction we read @wikipedia.com?

Just for those ones who don't know it yet:

- Windu is a Jedi Master of legendary status and one of the last members of the Jedi Council before the Great Jedi Purge. He possesses extensive knowledge of Jedi history and philosophy. A diplomat by nature, Master Windu is the Council's primary liaison to the Chancellor, although the Clone Wars caused him to question his firmest held beliefs, and engage more in combat.

Considered a respected Jedi like the venerable Master Yoda, though eight centuries his junior, Windu is a senior member of the Jedi Council, second only to Yoda himself in authority. His wisdom and power are legendary, as is the weight of his words. Though if Yoda is said to be the compassionte heart of the order, then Windu is its chivalrous mailed fist.

Mace Windu is the Grand Master of all major forms of Swordsmanship in the Galaxy, as well as Martial Arts such as Teräs Käsi. He easily rivals master Yoda in terms of skill and mettel in combat, and is the Greatest Warrior of his generation. Windu is also an excellent chief mentor and considered a wise and powerful Jedi Guardian Master of the Jedi Order. -

I think it's a far better introduction than we have on our page here. What do you think? Shall we change/overwrite it? Or whatever?
 * I believe to take this new intro, it has a more positive and articulated intro. Master Mace 01:56, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
 * That's the worst fanwank I've read in weeks. --Imp 21:02, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Jango fight
Wheres the source that says when he fought jango that jango used a lightsaber it smells like fanon to me. 69.26.85.167 02:41, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
 * It's blatant fanon and has been removed. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 13:42, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Fan Vid
[] Look at this vid that I picked up on Youtube, its good. (Please, don't critisize) Darth Vatrir

Mace Windu v.s Palpatine
Palpatine can't even defeat Windu, when Windu is less powerful than Yoda, and referring to the Senate Battle, Palpatine actually beat Yoda? How could that be, Yoda is a Grand Master and Windu is Yoda's apprentice! --Master Chief Petty Officer 10:20, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That is a pretty flawed statement. At any rate, Wookieepedia is not the place to discuss things like this. --Imp 10:35, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well logcially, I haven't been under the offense of any rule, you see, I have said that it is unusual, this is a discussion, isn't it? --Master Chief Petty Officer 13:48, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * What Wookieepedia is not. --Imp 20:58, 10 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Of course, that is why I post it, it has a meaning,
 * Nope, it doesn't. Palpatine did beat Yoda; that's G-canon, so the discussion is pointless - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 20:58, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * If Mace is so strong, why isn't he able to become a force ghost? (Jman4361) 2/9/07
 * Because George Lucas didn't want him to be one. Besides, apparently it's a secret technique tied to the Will of the Force that has to be learned.

Source for Tra Saa instructing younglings?
As it was stated he was instructed like most younglings by Yoda and Master Saa. Source? Micah Giett 20:57, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

Source for Uda Khalid killing his parents?
The article with Uda Khalid is in Star Wars Tales, os is not necessarily canon is it (if so should the pic be removed)? Also, the article says his parents were dead when he was chosen as a Jedi, but the pic at the bottom, though not canon shows his parents. Which of these should not be included? Micah Giett 20:57, 15 January 2007 (UTC)

I think that we should keep the pic. and name that other jedi taking him. User:ivel

Something has to be changed...
So one of the quotes in the article says

"...each whirl of blade and whipcrack of lightning was a strike in defense of democracy, of justice and peace, of the rights of ordinary beings to live their own lives in their own ways. He was fighting for the Republic that he loved." —Mace Windu, as he fought Palpatine

But the describing text of a picture, showing the very same fight, says

"Mace Windu fights for his life against Darth Sidious."

So unless someone is gonna say that Windu was convinced that he was democracy, justice, peace, the free will, and the republic I think one of those should be changed/removed.

I would say loose the second one. He is a Jedi. I'm no StarWars-fanatic, but I remember something telling me that "the life of a Jedi is not his to live", that he's is supposed to be willing to sacrifice his life for the greater good, [add arbitrary heroic statement here], etc. etc..

Of course, you could say that he was fighting for he's life so he could strike lightsabers left-and-right for democracy, justice, peace, the free will, (I'm not gonna cotinue). But that would still mean that he wasn't fighting for his life.

81.170.138.232 16:00, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Good evening, Ladies and Gentlemen. This Is Pedanticism. .  .  .  .  02:35, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

Mace like pepperspray?
How is Mace pronounced? In Star Wars Battlefront it sounds like they're saying "mesa" Windu.