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Creation
Just to clear up some confusion about HK's creation; HK himself says that he was created shortly after Revan and Malak "began [their] war to conquer the galaxy". That is, after the Mandalorian Wars. However, he was sent to assassinate "Mandalore". I don't know who this Mandalore was supposed to be, but we know Mandalore the Ultimate had already been killed at Revan's hands. It's possible that this new Mandalore was attempting to rally the defeated clans as Canderous would later do. Bear in mind that there are also a few pretenders to the Mandalore title running about during KotOR itself, too. Either way, it's stated explicitly that HK was built after the Mandalore Wars. --Fade 09:06, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd always seen Revan as having fallen sometimes during the wars, and thus his "war to conquer the galaxy" having begun secretly during that time. This allowed for HK-47s construction as WELL as being sent after Mandalore. In KotOR 2 however, it IS explictly said that it was after the battle of Malachor V - which is why we have the continuity glib with the Mandalore (when KotOR 2 repeatedly states that *no*new Mandalore after Ultimate arose aside from Canderous), not to mention Mandalorian Space... after the Mandalorian Wars - WHAT Mandalorian space? Oh Obsidian, had you only paid attention to all the dialog files. Like how they say in KotOR 2 that HK-47 can speak only "600 languages", whereas in KotOR 1, it's six THOUSAND... *sigh*(195.92.168.169 12:28, 17 May 2006 (UTC))
 * Ok, just did a check on the dialog thing. Can't find the "Six thousand" remark anywhere by HK-47 in KotOR 1. Which is odd, because I'm sure I remember hearing it whilst in the Sandpeople camp. Whatever, looks like I was wrong in that regard. (Edit: It was actually the first HK-50 you meet in KotOR 2 that says six thousand... how stupid am I?) The stuff about the mandalore stands though. (Ulicus 19:14, 21 May 2006 (UTC))
 * Where was it stated that HK-47 survived until the Battle of Yavin? Gwai Lo 18:28, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * In Star Wars Galaxies: Trials of Obi-Wan, HK-47 is an NPC on Mustafar. - Sikon [ Talk ] 18:42, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Another thing about HK-47's creation worthy discussing is who created him. The NEGD has this to say on HK-47, and I quote: "One of the most notorious was HK-47, which became the property of the Jedi hero Revan." In this version, Revan apparently obtained the droid, and modified him afterwards. I guess that contradicts the sources in the KotOR game, though I don't remember where in the game it was actually specified that Revan created HK-47. Thoughts? --Miltiades 17:21, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually that might be there to retcon a plothole in KotOR2. As stated, HK-47 himself tells the Jedi Exile that he was created shortly after the beginning of the Jedi Civil War. And yet, when the Jedi Exile asks him about his experience at killing jedi and especially with regards to the Battle of Malachor V, he proceeds to make several observations about how jedi acted at Malachor V and how most jedi killed there were not Revan's strongest supporters. He even mentions noting jedi following Revan over the jedi code. Note that this is all in reference to the Battle of Malachor V, which is clearly at the end of the Mandalorian Wars and so clearly before Revan and Malak turn on the Republic and begin the Jedi Civil War. But if HK-47, according to himself, was built after the Jedi Civil War began, then how would he be able to have witnessed this behavior among the jedi before his own creation? I suspect someone at Lucasarts also caught that particular plothole and laid the groundwork for a retcon to explain it, so that Revan - theoretically - did built HK-47 chassis after the Jedi Civil War began, yet installed it with a pre-existing droid intelligence in order to benefit from its jedi-killing experience. If anyone knows if this is the case, please speak up. Jediphile 23:14, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Image
I think the old image was better. This one is distorted. - Sikon [ Talk ] 05:15, 14 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. I reverted it and it is better. If someone finds an even better picture please add it to HK's page but do not overwrite this image. He could use another shot. Perhaps an in game screen shot or some concept art. I don't know what the official websites have exactly for him. I'm going to go take a look and maybe add something here.--DannyBoy7783 05:41, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * the one with the vents looks better than the one you just reverted too. talk about crappy ingame graphics... --Razzy1319 05:43, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I added an image from an official Bioware KOTOR wallpaper. It shows HK quite well. The one with the vents is ass and doesn't show the character as well as the original or the new one.--DannyBoy7783 05:54, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * the close up is good too but the vents not only showed the entire frame of the hk series but it also defines its purpose. --Razzy1319 06:05, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, upon examing the picture again I decided it was pretty good so I uploaded a slightly larger version and included it lower down the page. It doesn't "define his purpose" though. It's just what he looks like on the character alignment screen in KOTOR 1.--DannyBoy7783 06:48, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * the picture with the vents, has mood and presence perfect for someone like HK. making it almost as if the picture defines him as a character. the picture from the character alignment screen looks very bad. --Razzy1319 07:15, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I think you are confused. The vents image, while a render for the wallpaper, is more or less the same as how he looks on the character screen when you pause the game. It does set the mood for him because he's aligned as "evil". The photo here and the character screen are more or less the same thing. Anyway, I don't even know why we are arguing about this...kind of pointless. The pictures are good the way they are now, that's all that matters..--DannyBoy7783 07:50, 31 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Hey, what happened to the old image? It was much cooler...--Xilentshadow900 00:54, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Something odd about HK's face in the main image. You can barely see his eyes, instead he looks like a giant fly. I think a close-up on the upper torso with a decent view of the face would be an improvement Enochf 22:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not a big fan of the current image either...two proposals.-- Redemption Talk Uglykotoricon.svg 23:09, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * FWIW I like 'em both... might want to start a forum thread for a vote or something, so nobody gets pissy about it Enochf 21:44, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Here are some concept images you guys may want to include:    05:16, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I say the gun one. He's not HK-47 if he doesn't have a gun. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 21:48, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

HK-47 in Star Wars Galaxies
What does HK-47 do on Mustafar? Perhaps a little additional information on that could be used in the article (since the player is the one who destroys him, we can't necessarily identify who kills him, but some of the non-player related incidents could be included in this article IMO) - DAWUSS 7:33, 30 Jan 2005 He is building an army and is preparing to create another droid revolution like HK-01 and IG-88 Swerto 14:56, 1 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Is Star Wars Galaxies really the same level of canon as other games anyway? I mean, come on, according to Galaxies, there were hundreds of Jedi running around during the civil war. I really don't think it should be placed in HK-47's main biography. It's not a story based video game, therefore it doesn't fit into the continuity.(Ulicus 18:24, 20 May 2006 (UTC))
 * For now we can put a disputed tag over his Mustafar deeds. --Redemption 18:26, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Leland Chee has said that nothing is overlooked in Galaxies, barring a few randomly spawned NPCs. No tag. Cutch 19:06, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * In my opinion, this cements the fact that Leland Chee is on something, but whatever. (Ulicus 19:12, 21 May 2006 (UTC))

1) Star Wars Galaxies has a lot of Forceusers. If you ask them, most will say they were trained in the Force, but not Jedi. Some will say they are Dark Jedi, and a very few will say they are Jedi. 2) We cannot identify Revan's mind wiped name. 3) HK-47 was not killed on Mustafar. 4) I say StarWars Galaxies is as canon as any other video game.

Major Error
In the article it states that HK-47 started a civil War. This is FALSE. It was a HK-50 that started it. I've removed the section. --Shaoken 08:41, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Name inspiration?
I've been browsing and discovered that the Hunter-Killer Probot's abbreviation is H-K Probot. Since it and HK-47 have similar capabilities and functions, is it possible that it's name originated from it, at least partially?

When I first saw HK-47's name I thought it was inspired from the AK-47 machine gun. Both were famous(notorious) agents of destruction and assassination, and both are famed for their brutal efficiency.

There's also a rifle known as the HK-416, which is a rugged gun used by green bereas, that I thought might have inspired the name until I read the section on naming. I thought I could mean HK-4(1 + 6) Darth Ewok 01:21, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

HK, Hunter Killer. And 47, as in Hitman, Codename 47: The Silent Assassin.

Hey, if you look a little further on the page, ther is a section called "Name Origin Addition."

Surprising Height
Is anyone else surprised that HK-47 is supposedly 1.8 metres when he's about a head (or half a head) taller than all the other characters in the game? (barring Malak and the Wookies) When you consider that the average *stormtrooper*is 1.8 metres, it does seem a little darn weird.(Ulicus 23:29, 14 June 2006 (UTC))

Yeah, I wish Chee or someone would come out and state the mistake. This would make the entire KOTOR crew around 5 ft...which doesn't make sense. :P Revan211 21:01, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

Goto did say he was expecting the Exile to be taller. I'm kidding of course and the droid should stand at least 6' 7"

I'd say that his height could be anywhere from 6'6"-6'10", I know big gap. I'd estimate that Canderous is 6'2"-6'4" and revan is 6'0"-6'4". It seems that the clothing that some characters wear in KotOR changes their height, but I'm certain that HK is at least 1.9 meters. 1.8 meters is only about 5'11".

Mustafar redlinks
... are no more, because they are now linked.. They refer to the Star Wars: Galaxies game, and now point to the relevant information. Not sure why someone reverted my work the first time, since the links are good, cover the material, and etc. Try to use the discussion page before reverting someone's work the first time. Adaon 01:13, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, we don't use those links. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 01:14, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Uh, why not? The SWG wiki is linked in many places here. If you don't link to those, you won't be able to link anywhere. Unless you take the information from there and use it here. But that's ok, I've seen this sort of thing before. Have fun with your wiki, I was trying to help. I won't bother. Adaon 01:17, 24 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Linking to the Star Wars: Galaxies wiki in the article isn't a good idea. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial_Emblem.svg 01:18, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

How about some reasons before (or, in this case, after) reverting my work? "Isn't a good idea" isn't exactly a clear answer, given that the bio information comes from the game itself. You won't find any information on the Kubuza area et al. outside of a SWG information site, and the wiki is a good one. Anything besides "uhs" and opinions about what is and isn't a good idea? I could care less about ol' HK, I just happened to notice the redlinks and thought "hey, I know where that information is," so I linked it. Like I said, I've run into this before, and don't want to get sucked in. Leave it as it is, it's fine with me. Next time though, really do try to give real reasons for not liking someone's links. You might get some ass in here who actually worries about these things and not someone easy going like me. Then it's a revert war, people get banned, blah blah. The discussion page is here - discuss before reversion. It's a standard practice at Wikipedia, it ought to be here, too. Bye! Adaon 01:24, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

Image from NEGD

 * Is it me or does that image of HK-47 seem less menacing than the game model.--Darth Oblivion 02:25, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I actually think he looks more threatening. -- SFH 02:27, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The one thing that caught my attention was the slight increase in the size of the photoreceptors.--Darth Oblivion 02:58, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Apparently the NEGD image corresponds to HK's model in Galaxies. Can someone confirm or deny this? - Sikon [ Talk ] 06:35, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess Revan's HK's modifications include a sharper, more menacing face than the standard pictured in the HEGD. That makes sense. But I wonder if the authors intended that or just drew him wrong. -Aiddat 21:35, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * These aren't Revan's modifications. The HK-50s, not modified by Revan, look identical, with the exception of color. - Sikon [ Talk ] 10:44, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The NEGD version just seems to be a stylized version. Look at the other images in the book; they're not entirely accurate anyway (especially C-3PO, who just looks weird). And the Galaxies model appears to be the KotOR model, but a lower resolution, less detailed one due to the nature of the game - Kwenn 11:27, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I had always attributed this image to HK-01, and thought that it belonged there. The differences in the NEGD go beyond mere stylizing.  The article DOES mention HK-01, as it is not exclusively linked to HK-47. Kriim Ianga 08:13, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

date of destruction
we have the date of when he was created but when was he destroyed?--Ugluk 23:09, 19 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Destroyed? Why would HK-47 EVER be destroyed?  He hasn't been destroyed yet, in any case.  Kriim Ianga 08:01, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Quote
"You are a very harsh master, Master. I like you."

Shouldn't it read "You are a very harsh master. I like you."?--Darth OblivionComlink 18:52, 3 September 2006 (UTC)

No, when I read it, it makes perfect sense and sounds better. That's what the comma is for in the original quote between the two words master. Just pause in you reading when you read the quote and you'll see what I mean.--Argon SkywalkerComlink 08:53 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Name origin addition
Found this tacked in to the section on the origin of his name. Presented without cleanup:

The original source for the same came from kotor lead writer Drew Karpyshyn's billiard team. His team consisted of 4 players who shared the last name Harrison, and himself with his last name of Karpyshyn. The first name the team tried was the HK41s. 4 names with Harrison and 1 Karpyshyn. They later decided the HK47s sounded more intimidating due to the popular AK47 rifle. Years later while working on kotor, he tacked the name to the assasin droid.

Anybody have a source for that? 69.118.138.25 12:49, 30 December 2006 (UTC)
 * yes, it comes from the website of the guy who came up with hk 47's name.--Black Jack Scarron 10:14, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

HK-47 in BF2
Where in the CTF mode is HK, exactly? Cutch 21:39, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * As far as I'm aware, he's not in Battlefront II... - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 12:46, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I tried to look but couldn't find him. If I were you, I'd look on Mustafar.

Image
Whilst the current image isn't all that bad, I think there are better ones available. I can't believe people are content with an image that shows his head and little else. Unit 8311 18:35, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Not much choice in the matter. One image is an awful NEG image and the other is way too distracting. And there is no way in hell that anybody will settle for the SWG image. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png Talk 18:36, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The NEG image isn't that bad. And sorry, but just because one person has a negative opinion of all the other images, we can't have that. Other people need to voice their opinions. Unit 8311 18:38, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Are you blind? The NEG is horrible. Doesn't even look like him...-- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png Talk 18:40, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No need to be rude. Unit 8311 18:45, 26 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I had always been under the impression that the NEGD image was of HK-01, due to the simply unignorable differences in appearance. The roundness of the head, the position of the vocoder grille, the color of the photoreceptors, the lack of a comlink antenna...all of these go far beyond mere stylizing.  I propose the image be relocated to HK-01's article, but I will not be so presumptuous as to do it without express permission.  By the way, if I have posted this in the wrong section, please tell me.  Kriim Ianga 08:11, 3 December 2007 (UTC)

Love the knew pic
Its fantastic. Is that from SWG? Its looks different some how....
 * Definately from KOTOR, on Tatooine. -BaronGrackle 22:28, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Take a good look since it's not going to be there for long...-- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png Talk 23:32, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
 * This one is great, too. Is this in the Sith Embassy? But I really meant the new 'HK back in his own body' pic.
 * Yeah, that's Galaxies that one. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 20:29, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Hey I've got an image but I'm not sure if or where I should place it. It has the game models from both KOTOR and TSL to highlight the differences in HK-47 between games. Wanted to include the quote regarding dismemberment "It appears I have suffered considerable damage and dismemberment. I can feel all the cracks in my motivators. And my central control cluster seems to have taken several repeated blaster shots at close range. How crude." HK-47 (KOTOR TSL) Let me know what you guys think. Woodmattc 18:56, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

HK-47+ Mustafar=Canon!!!!!
Good old HK's 'retirement' to mustafar is canoncal. I'm not sure if anyone brought this up, but from what I saw, noone did. Once again, sorry if this was already mentioned: HK's mustafar assult is canon due to the NEGD. The last paragraph states he was seen on Mustafar sometime arround The Battle of Yavin
 * Uh. Yeah...and the article reflects that. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png Talk 01:45, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I just have a question or two: Around what time was HK imprisoned in the ship's memory banks (to the nearest half-millenium is fine), and does this mean that he cannot appear in any Rise of the Empire-era media (such as fanfics that adhere to canon, RPG campaigns that adhere to canon, etc.)? -

cut content /=/ canon?
As far as I'm aware, cut content is non-canonical, so i'm removing all references to the cut content in the main part of the article and the summary. PitchBrick 08:18, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Cut content is indeed non-canonical . . . unless it's later used in another canon source. This was the case with the information you removed - it was used in the New Essential Guide to Droids. jSarek 08:33, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
 * lame. thanks PitchBrick 03:15, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

HK-50 / 51
In the article, it says that HK-47 recruited the HK-51's to his cause on Malachor V, but in the NEGD, it states that he brought the HK-50's instead. Is there another source for the 51's on Malachor, or are they still non-canonical? --Nefirus 00:11, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If the NEGD says 50s, then it's 50s. There appears to be a bit of confusion since the original content was that it was the 51s that would assist him. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png (Talk) 03:49, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The 51s are cut content, so they are non-canonical unless they show up somewhere else.  Ifindyourlackoffaithdisturbing  ( Go Dodgers! Woooo! )Revanchist Sith.svg 03:52, 2 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Yech. Does the NEGD really say it was HK-50s? We have so many quotations of him wanting to wipe the 50s from the face of the Galaxy. -BaronGrackle 19:24, 2 July 2008 (UTC)

Canon?
Just wondering, should we include that HK is not needed in either game? You have two choices for the tusken raider camp in the first game, the first is acuire HK and make peace. The second is to kill all sand people indiscriminantly. In the next game, you can play and never activate him. I mean, this is important information left out of the article, and if there are no objections, I'm going to put it in. Darthan the destroyer 15:28, 30 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If it's added, it should be placed Behind the Scenes. It's true that HK doesn't have to join Revan's or the Exile's party, but other sources written about the events verify that he does. -BaronGrackle 17:00, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

HK-47's Force alignment
It is not explained how a droid can have a "force alignment" like organic beings do. How does he? He's a machine for deity's sakes! I thought they were supposed to be completely force-insensitive. --ENG 19:33, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, it's a game mechanic - that's why we don't have an article on it - and in the BtS, so it's not presented as canon fact, per se. It's merely showing the reason an example of the "alignment" of HK-47. As he is an assassin droid, he's on the "darker" side - but this doesn't actually apply to his Force sensitivity (or lack of, in this case) 23:14, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Destruction?
Was HK-47 destroyed on mustafar? As of the latest canon, could we possibly draw the conclusion that he is still around, in some form or another? Like is there an official date of destruction? 65.188.241.8 22:50, 28 November 2008 (UTC)

HK-47 escaped from Mustafar when the miners destroyed his army, but we have no idea when he was destroyed. Love is Noise   Love is Pain  Love is these blues  23:11, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

HK-47 in SWTOR trailer
Just my opinion on this being a proof he appears in TOR: we have seen similar looking and -acting droids before, nothing says it's the HK-47 at all. --Tm_T(Talk) 10:33, September 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * In fact, you can see him at the end of this trailer:http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/mysteries-knights-old-republic He is confirmed to be in the game, mark it up. (- -) 15:48, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Actually, that trailer isn't proof since we don't hear him mentioned by name. For all we know, Revan could have programed another HK droid to call organics "meatbag." Cylka  -talk- 15:59, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * That's exactly I meant above, all we can say is that it's HK droid, not that it's the HK-47. --Tm_T(Talk) 19:16, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * I know we need a 100% confirmation that was HK47 but i wonder if someone really doubt they put HK47 in the trailer instead some random droid. --Revan, Prodigal Knight 21:10, September 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * Even if it's completely and painfully obvious that the droid was HK-47 policy dictates we wait for absolute confirmation. It may seem unnecessary but these policies are what set the Wook above other wikis. Just as we all knew Satele was Bastila's descendant, we still have to wait until we're absolutely sure. But rest assured I will immediately take action to update the article accordingly once confirmation is official. JethLordMaster Ying yang copy.jpg (Xia Order) 23:08, September 6, 2010 (UTC)

HK-47's Affiliation
I do not understand. How come every time I listed that HK-47 was affiliated with the Galactic Republic, it was undone? If HK-47 served Revan, and Revan served the Galactic Republic, then HK-47 must also be affiliated with the Galactic Republic. And all of Revan's other companions were listed as affiliated with the Galactic Republic. The last time I made this edit, I listed down the source, but it was still undone. Can someone please explain?Nikofeelan 13:43, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
 * Two points here: you make undiscussed changes to an article that has gone through the review process to gain Featured article status. Also, HK didn't serve the Republic in any way, only Revan, he never said to follow the orders of the Republic in any form. –Tm_T(Talk) 14:12, October 30, 2010 (UTC)