Wookieepedia:AgriCorps/Log/2009 May 17

[07:04]		Sit back, relax, and strap it down. AC meeting, coming your way. [07:05]		First and foremost, we've got some articles on probation from last time. [07:05]		Heading up the list, the heavily improved-upon http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Tydirium&diff=2571090&oldid=2495705 [07:05]		4dot's FAing it. Extend probation. [07:05]		I say keep; it won't matter once it makes FA and Fourdot's done a hell of a job. [07:05]		Keep. Gonna be FA'd, it seems [07:05]		Keep [07:06]		Before we get too involved, I would like to apologize for my low activity level lately. RL has been crazy, but I should be back in a greater capacity in a week or so. [07:06]		Keep. [07:06]		np, Cylka [07:06]		Tope and GMT say doesn't matter, but don't specify keep or prolong, so I am going with the present consensus of keep. [07:06]		We understand [07:06]		Yes, or the lash for you, lassie. [07:07]		Still time for those rubber hoses :P [07:07]		And I'm not that far from you. One plane ride ... [07:07]		Oooh... ;-) [07:07]	<Cylka>	:-P [07:07]	<Graestan>	Wow. [07:07]	<Graestan>	Should the rest of us leave? [07:07]	<ChackJadson>	haha [07:08]	<Grunny>	XD [07:08]	<CavalierOne>	I like an audience. [07:08]	<Cylka>	Kinky... [07:08]	<Graestan>	9_9 Moving on. [07:08]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=YV-100_light_freighter&diff=2570377&oldid=2495707 [07:08]	<Grunny>	Keepage [07:08]	<Graestan>	It's fixed. Keep. [07:08]	<Graestan>	Tope and GMT say keep. [07:09]	<Cylka>	Keep. [07:09]	<ChackJadson>	Keep [07:09]	<CavalierOne>	Keep. [07:10]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Z-95_Headhunter&diff=2516646&oldid=2495708 [07:10]	<Graestan>	A right mess. [07:10]	<Graestan>	No real improvement. [07:10]	<Graestan>	Kill. [07:10]	<ChackJadson>	Argh, kill [07:10]	<CavalierOne>	Kill it. Kill it! [07:10]	<Grunny>	Kill [07:11]	<Cylka>	Kill. [07:12]	<Graestan>	I tell you he dead. [07:12]	<Graestan>	Here we are: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Self-Propelled_Heavy_Artillery&diff=2572127&oldid=2495709 [07:12]	<Graestan>	Kill. To be honest, the individual SPHA types should be more focused on in article writing, not the sum total. [07:12]	<Graestan>	Absentees vote to kill. [07:13]	<CavalierOne>	Kill. [07:13]	<ChackJadson>	Kill [07:13]	<Grunny>	Killify [07:13]	<Cylka>	Kill. [07:15]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Darth_Vader%27s_armor&diff=2535205&oldid=2495710 [07:15]	<Graestan>	Zero work was done on this. [07:15]	<ChackJadson>	KO [07:15]	<Graestan>	Show the same mercy Vader would. [07:15]	<Grunny>	Kill [07:15]	<Cylka>	Kill. [07:16]	<CavalierOne>	Kill. [07:16]	<Graestan>	Choke that motherfucker out. [07:17]	<Graestan>	Alright, that concludes previous article review. [07:17]	<Graestan>	Now to consider a couple of new ones: [07:17]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jacob_Nive [07:17]	<Graestan>	This one confuses me. [07:17]	<Graestan>	Does anyone know much about Operation Elrood? [07:17]	<Graestan>	Does anyone have it in .pdf or otherwise? [07:17]	<CavalierOne>	I have it. [07:18]	<Graestan>	Does he figure prominently in it? [07:19]	<CavalierOne>	Checking. [07:19]	<Graestan>	I mean, if it's a mention or something, then we can slap it down now and have done with it. [07:21]	<Graestan>	In the meantime, I wish I'd added the miscellanea we missed in our full-list GA review. [07:21]	<Graestan>	I guess that's for next time. [07:21]	<CavalierOne>	There's a text piece at the start. One of the Imperial characters is one of the captains of the SDs that destroyed the pirates originally. I'd have to do a deeper read to see if he's mentioned later. [07:22]	<Graestan>	Alright, I suppose we could just probe for now. That's what the boys Over There said. [07:22]	<Cylka>	I thought we finished the misc, articles. [07:22]	<Graestan>	There are a few left. [07:22]	<Graestan>	Hither and thither. [07:22]	<Graestan>	Chack? Grunny? [07:22]	<Grunny>	Probe for now [07:22]	<CavalierOne>	Probe. If I get time I'll do a thorough go through of OE. [07:22]	<ChackJadson>	Hi. Probe, I suppose [07:23]	<Cylka>	Probe. [07:23]	<Graestan>	Okay, he's probed. [07:23]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Duel_on_Yavin_4 [07:23]	<Graestan>	This one is tricky. [07:23]	<Graestan>	It seems Naru has put some work into it. [07:23]	<Cylka>	I dislike duel articles. [07:24]	<Grunny>	It still needs Insider, bts, and the intro is not really sufficient [07:24]	<CavalierOne>	Probe then, if Naru is willing to fix them. [07:24]	<Grunny>	Probe and give Naru time to fix the rest [07:25]	<Graestan>	Probe, then. I guess we're not deciding ultimate fate, here. [07:25]	<Cylka>	Probe, but he says he can't fix the Insider stuff. [07:25]	<ChackJadson>	Probe [07:27]	<Graestan>	Alright, there goes the business portion of the meeting. [07:27]	<Graestan>	That was short. But now everyone acting like I'm holding a .44 [07:27]	<Graestan>	:P [07:27]	<Cylka>	Didn't youwant to discuss the sub-page issue on the GAN page? [07:28]	<Graestan>	Agenda time: [07:28]	<Graestan>	I'd like to further discuss the proposal from last meeting, of having subpages for the nominations as they do at a certain other wiki. We could just start the nominations pages early instead of creating them during the archiving process, then add the visible vote portion when archiving. I really do think this would make moving through the nominations easier for us, and the watchlist feature... [07:28]	<Graestan>	...would make it easy for nominators to know when their articles have objections. Graestan(Talk) 03:52, 28 April 2009 (UTC) [07:28]	<Graestan>	Now, Toprawa put his forward in answer: [07:28]	<Graestan>	I wasn't in on the original discussion about separate subpages for nominations, but I'm not sure this is entirely necessary. I just think a greater effort needs to be made on cracking down on articles that are nominated and then virtually abandoned, which I believe to be the source of this problem. Toprawa and Ralltiir 18:27, 15 May 2009 (UTC) [07:29]	<ChackJadson>	Could you elaborate a bit, Grae? Are you saying we'd make subpages for every nom when they are nominated? [07:29]	<Cylka>	Eh, sort of, but most articles aren't abandoned. [07:29]	<Graestan>	Yes, essentially we'd start the archive pages early. [07:29]	<ChackJadson>	Would that replace the GAN page entirely, then? [07:29]	<Graestan>	Yes, most articles which are problematic aren't abandoned at all. Their nominators are just that bad at handling objections. [07:29]	<Grunny>	No, the votes would go on the GAN [07:30]	<ChackJadson>	Why is this necessary? [07:30]	<Graestan>	No, the GAN would exist as a home for the vote sections, etc. [07:30]	<CavalierOne>	I presume the GAN page would work as an index for the individual nomination pages [07:30]	<ChackJadson>	I don't follow [07:30]	<Cylka>	Chack, the votes would be on the GAN page, and so would links to the sub-pages. [07:30]	<ChackJadson>	Oh, just objections go on the subpage? [07:30]	<Cylka>	Right? I think? [07:30]	<Graestan>	I don't see it as absolutely necessary so much as a way to alleviate sifting though nine hundred K of crap to get to whatever you want to work on. [07:31]	<Graestan>	Also, the nominators could put the individual nomination pages on their watchlists and would be more likely to pay attention. [07:31]	<Cylka>	The objections are the difficult part. [07:31]	<ChackJadson>	Ok [07:31]	<Cylka>	Well, the long part of a nom. [07:31]	<ChackJadson>	Interesting... [07:31]	<Grunny>	And then when it is archived the votes are just transfered to the subpage [07:31]	<Graestan>	After the nom passes, the vote part moves to the other page [07:32]	<Graestan>	It's just something to consider. I really don't agree that it's inactive noms that drive me insane, so much as it is having to wade through people's ridiculous arguments etc. [07:32]	<ChackJadson>	I kinda like this now... [07:32]	<ChackJadson>	Your idea, I mean, it has its merits [07:32]	<Cylka>	I'm still undecided. I mean I like the idea, but maybe we should try it out on a couple of noms before adopting this practice. [07:32]	<Graestan>	The only pitfall is getting people to follow the new procedure. [07:32]	<ChackJadson>	Yeah, per Cylka [07:33]	<CavalierOne>	Same here. [07:33]	<Graestan>	Yeah, we could stick a few I have in mind ) on their own pages. XD [07:33]	<Grunny>	We could try it out on our own noms or something [07:33]	<ChackJadson>	Ok. Which articles, may I ask? [07:33]	<ChackJadson>	Yeah, that's fine [07:33]	<Grunny>	Malak and Nihilus [07:33]	<Graestan>	Maybe we could test it by sticking anything with huge objections sections so far onto their own. [07:33]	<CavalierOne>	Darth Malak and Nihilus? [07:33]	<Grunny>	And Skirata [07:34]	<Graestan>	Per Grunny, exactly what I mean. Anything that's getting to be half the page. [07:34]	<Cylka>	Malak is close to being passed, though. [07:34]	<Cylka>	Maybe Nihilus and Skirata. [07:34]	<CavalierOne>	And Christmas is just around the corner ;) [07:34]	<Graestan>	it won't make a difference that it's close, though. All the sooner it moves completely off. [07:34]	<Grunny>	Haha [07:34]	<Cylka>	:-D [07:34]	<Grunny>	Kasra needs to address one more objection and I can get Malak off the page [07:35]	<Graestan>	I mean, how close /is/ Malak? How long will it take parties to do this? [07:35]	<Graestan>	A day? A week? How long has it been thus far? [07:35]	<ChackJadson>	Since November, is that right? [07:35]	<ChackJadson>	November 20, yes [07:35]	<Grunny>	Well he's been pretty quick in addressing objections, he's just been gone for the last couple of days [07:35]	<Grunny>	and there's only one left [07:36]	<Graestan>	What is it? [07:36]	<Cylka>	Yeah, Kasra actually does address objections. [07:36]	<Grunny>	The objection? [07:37]	<Grunny>	"Mandalorian Wars - Vision to Jarael: "A few months after the events of Vindication..." This is the first mention of Vindication, please clarify that it refers to the events described previously." [07:37]	<Graestan>	Shit, I could fix that. [07:37]	<Graestan>	Yeah, leave it up. [07:37]	<Graestan>	Which ones, then? [07:37]	<Grunny>	Nihilus and Skirata [07:38]	<Cylka>	Nihilus and Skirata. [07:38]	<Grunny>	You could probably do Peragus II as well since I dout Darth tom would object, being a SWF contributor and all [07:38]	<Grunny>	Just to test it out [07:39]	<Graestan>	Sure, why not? [07:39]	<Graestan>	I'll tinker with that later, if no one else does in the meantime. [07:39]	<Graestan>	Then we can see how it worked and vote on it again next meeting. [07:40]	<Cylka>	Maybe you should, Grae, since you have a better idea about all of this. [07:40]	<Graestan>	Actually I don't, but I can figure it out. [07:40]	<Graestan>	B) It's me. [07:40]	<Graestan>	Alright, that's that. Anything else, people? [07:41]	<Grunny>	Not from me [07:41]	<ChackJadson>	Nor me [07:41]	<CavalierOne>	Payrise? [07:41]	<Cylka>	Is the meeting over? [07:41]	<Grunny>	:P [07:41]	<Grunny>	Paperwork bitch? [07:41]	<Graestan>	Alright. Meeting concluded. Who's doing the log and minutes? [07:42]	<Grunny>	I'll do them