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Rabbit Tooth
Does the Rabbit tooth wallpaper website give canon lightsaber coulers

Construction
Should lightsaber construction have its own article? I feel it could since it is a ritual, isn't it? At least back in the Old Republic it was considered a very sacred thing if I'm not mistaken.

I agree. I was actually looking for something along those lines today and couldn't find it. What age are they usually made at?--24.178.114.200 14:10, October 17, 2009 (UTC)Harlequin

on/off switch
How do you turn on and off a lightsaber?. Is it a toggle switch or a hold switch? According to the philosepher Kenny Smiley, "I think you hold it down to turn it on" According to an opposing philosepher, Soupie Campbells "in episode 4, when luke skywalker first receives his fathers lightsaber from obi wan kenobi, he merely presses the activation switch"
 * I believe in the New Jedi Academy series in Expanded Universe, it was stated that the activation switch was customizable to the user's preferences. Some had it held to stay on, others had an on/off switch, and still others may have had other designs.
 * -71.240.247.22 16:18, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

I think that you have to keep it held down because in the movies every time someone loses their lightsaber it turns off automaticly"Jedi master 999 02:12, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * in star wars episode 3 yoda throws his lightsaber to kill someone and jumps to get it back, which means [when used with other information] that yes, it is customisable.

they have killswitches, for if someone wielding a lightsaber was to drop one, it will cut out

snythisize
i quote from starwars visual dictionary about crystals "...and CAN NOT be synthisized" but luke synthisized his green one with stuff from obi wans hut and also in sith lightsabers they use sith SYNTH crystals86.112.200.118 11:47, 20 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Some sources are occasionally mistaken, such as in that instance. Vryce 06:37, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Star Wars Factfiles has a piece in the lightsaber parts about how Red crystals are synthesised as well HavetStorm 17:25, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Tonfa sabers appearing in Force Unleashed does not prove that Sinya was in fact using ones
Her Force Sensitivity has not been confirmed, an until it is, there is no more reason to attribute Sinya with tonfa sabers rather than energy swords, than to attribute the tapanis with Jedi lightsabers. I'm removing the reference. DarthMRN 03:13, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thats Discrimination just becuase she isnt a Sith/Jedi or even Force sensitive dose not mean there not Lightrsabers as we well know Boba Fett has used lightsabers as have other non-force users, I say untill they Tonfas are called somthing other then lightsabers thats what the article should remain as! - "Awar 09:29, 9 March 2007 (UTC)".
 * About non-Force sensitives using lightsabers- we see Han Solo using the saber in ep5- he just slices the belly of the tauntaun though but he holds it and uses it- and in the new Clone Wars we even see duels between jedi and non-force-sensitives with lightsabers- Holocron heist and Mandalore plot for example... just wanted to say that--Swashbuckler1138 18:20, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

System Shock 2 in References outside Star Wars
You guys forgot to list the purple laser rapiers from System Shock 2 by Looking Glass Studios. This is the description from sshock2.com

Laser Rapier Mark IV: The Mark IV laser rapier is an advanced variation on the units first developed by TriOp before the Citadel crisis. The Mark IV consumes less power and is considerably more deadly. It has no particular flaws except its lack of a ranged attack and its relative expense to produce. --70.134.77.68 08:46, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Legacy lightsabers
as they all appear to be identical,and made out of the same coral like material.-User:KickAssJedi
 * Should we add something about the lightsabers the sith use in the legacy series

Yorik Corral,it's the stuff the yuuzhan vong use for metal substitutes User:Niv Dralshy'a

Lightsabers outside Star Wars
They are also used in the anime, Ideon, which was created by Tomino, maker of the original Gundam. The lightsabers are called Laser Swords, and are wielded by humans, as opposed to Gundam, where the beam sabers are only wielded by the Gundams themselves. 65.40.195.176 17:02, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

If a lightsabre was brought down on something thinner than the blade, what would happen?
Would it evaporate into nothing, or be split in two? --81.157.33.196 13:32, 25 March 2007 (UTC) I think that the matireal would simply desinagrate
 * Evaporate. Chack Jadson 16:06, 31 May 2007 (UTC)
 * How thick is a lightsaber blade anyway? I usually just consider them to have minimal or no thickness and their halo just makes them look bigger. - Darth Havoc 04:25, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

Superconductors
It was mentioned that superconductors from ship armor during the Sith Wars was a superconductor, which dispersed the saber's energy in Shatterpoint. Melts after extended exposure to the blade though. Just wanted to add something =)

Additional occurances outside of Star Wars
Is it worth adding the lightsaber weilded by 23 in Venture Brothers, or the quad-saber Control Freak (Teen Titans) used?

Yareal Poof's lightsaber
I am curious, how does his lightsaber get that buldge at the bottom? The Pure 501st 23:13, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Hi i have a question. Why turns the Lightsaber always of wen the Jedi drop it? Can sumbody help me Please? --213.67.126.63 19:23, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

i think wen the saber drops a curcit temp breaks but it recovers in secondsClonetroop125 00:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry to restart and old topic, but in answer: in I, Jedi, it's referred to as a deadman's switch...a mechanism put in place so that a lightsaber blade isn't flying around out of control if it's knocked out of a Jedi's hand. I think it can be deactivated, or the blade locked on, though, or else the Jedi just uses the Force to keep it activated during a saber throw. Jenosidanian 03:43, 7 October 2008 (UTC)

Force Bending
Can a exeptionaly powerfull jedi or sith bend the blade of a light-saber? Also can a light whip be straitened by the force to form a masive lightsaber? 12:03 May 31
 * No. Chack Jadson 16:05, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Why?

Because it's impossible to bend energy.Bao-Dur&#39;s clone 19:15, 18 July 2008 (UTC)
 * No it isn't impossible to bend energy. Black holes bend light. But this is a little off topic. You can't bend a lightsaber.--TheDoctor42 22:28, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually black holes bend space, light still travels straight through twisted space, energy can't be bent but thats only because energy is incorporeal, the blade is made out of plasma, which is like gas only with the electrons moving freely, the plasma "gas" is contained by a forcefield, it's not shown that the force can have any effect on forcefields, so still, the answer is no. 68.217.112.51 22:25, October 26, 2009 (UTC)
 * A lightsaber is a beam of pure energy not plasma. Galen Merik Senate seal.svg page 14:13, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

No General Questions

 * Don't answer people's general questions on these pages- it only encourages them. Don't ask general questions either- go to the Knowledge Bank for that. Atarumaster88  Jedi_Order.svg ( Talk page ) 16:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

blue
am i wrong most jedi have blue sabersClonetroop125 23:03, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * if you are talking about jedi of the old republic, then the most common colors were blue and green, but if you are talking about jedi in the new jedi order and legacy eras, they could use almost any colored blade they wantedMrhappy100 15:29, 15 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Look at the Jedi Guardian article it may help explain why.User:DIEJARJARDie 13:34 2 January 2009 (UTC)

well if you have read jedi vs sith it says that the reason every one had the same color was because the planet every one ussualy got there crystals from had only a certain kind of crystal Jedi master 999 01:28, December 17, 2009 (UTC) december 16 20:28

lightsaber error
hey there is a lightsaber error in epIV.when luke recieves his saber,the hilt is obi wans,but when the blade comes up its anakins saber.dont believe me?review your dvd and do a close up in that scene.if u find it tell me on my talk pageClonetroop125 00:16, 4 June 2007 (UTC) - Matga Grebun 16:46, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Just checked on the Special Edition and it's definately Anakin's lightsaber all the way through the scene. Not sure which version you're talking about.  You do know Obi-Wan is actually giving him Anakin's old Ep. III saber though, right?

Adding to Resisting the lightsaber
Vibroshield These could resist lightsabers.

Yorik coral also resists Lightsabers. Should I add it? or should someone else do it? I'm not the best at this and I'm still working on editing small pages. Philosopher Sith 20:48, December 4, 2009 (UTC)

Vianna D'Pow and the Lightwhip
I think that Vianna D'Pow should be added as one of the users of the lightwhip in the lightwhip paragraph, like it is in the actual Lightwhip article. What do you guys think?--Jedi Kasra 01:29, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

"Light Nunchaku"?
What would you call the weapon Kel Dor is wielding in this pic?



 Totema  Comlink Frequency 01:12, 23 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Nunchucks. Graestan 05:16, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Nunchuks? Did you grow up watching bad ninja movies?

The correct term for that would be Nunchaku.

However, the weapon the Kel'Dor Jedi is holding would be a Three-Section Staff, not a Nunchaku, which is smaller and a two-section weapon. --The truth hurts... 00:09, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

"Oh, snap, I broke my 1:72 scale Master Replica Sebulba Podracer fiber optic model. Totally screwed the collector's value now, haven't I?" -Unknown Kel Dor Jedi.


 * I think it's a San-Ni staff, the melee weapon favored by Jedi Master Waldan Bridger. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/San-Ni_staff Teemto


 * Nunchuks? Did you grow up watching bad ninja movies?

The correct term for that would be Nunchaku.

However, the weapon the Kel'Dor Jedi is holding would be a Three-Section Staff, not a Nunchaku, which is smaller and a two-section weapon. --The truth hurts... 00:09, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, it seems to be using power cuplings, similar to those found on Pod Racers. Not a Light Saber.

He's true that is not what you call Nunchucks or Nunchakus its a three section staff with power cuplings not the energy of a lightsaber --Dr.Pepper&#39;s Krayt Dragon 02:42, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Game mechanic, not canon
The different models of lightsaber hilt in Jedi Academy are nothing but a game mechanic, so that you can customize you're lightsaber. I am certain that these models are not canon. You can also customize the head, gender and race of you're cheracter in the game, does that mean that Jaden Korr is a shape shifter in canon? NO! 65.27.139.162 09:06, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * That's still speculation on your part, anon. Jaden Korr's story and the concept of multiple saber hilts aren't really all that conducive to analogy, anyway.  But, then again, from a canon perspective, they're both designed to be...flexible. --School of Thrawn 101 09:14, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Do you really think that the jedi had standard models of lightsaber that each one chose from? It is just a game mechanic, so that you can have a choice in what your hilt looks like. It could very well be canon that Jaden's first lightsaber and/or second one looked like some of these models and were even called them, I am certain that it is not canon that they each make or choose their lightsaber based on those specifications! What about all that stuff about jedi in both new and old orders making them individually? My argument is very much valid, and it is not speculation. There would have to be a pretty big retcon, in which they would ever implement, that would have jedi in the new order choose from these hilts. 65.27.139.162 09:49, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Then we must resort to what we know to be true. The hilt models appear in an LFL licensed game.  The game depicts an LFL licensed story and establishes, like other games before and after it, certain contributions to SW canon.  It is, therefore, a perfectly acceptable conclusion that the hilts are to be taken as existing within canon.  Besides, the article doesn't exclude other designs from existing during the NJO era.  It simply points out the various designs that have been specifically provided to the SW community.  I think that the wording of the article leaves it wonderfully open-ended. --School of Thrawn 101 10:00, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "A number of hilt varieties of this lightsaber type existed during the time of the New Jedi Order, but it is unknown if Force-sensitives of other eras conformed to these standardized hilt options." Doesn't sound very open ended to me, 'conform to'?? Perhaps it should just be stated that they existed, rather than that they were 'conformed to'? 65.27.139.162 11:48, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * It is very open-ended, it says "Known hilts were", which means there could have been (and most likely where) others. --Jedimca0(Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 11:57, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * "Conformed to", explain that please. "Conformed to these standardized hilt options", this too. It does not sound open ended to me. What I am against is how it implies that most jedi in the new order chose from these. Each jedi makes their own individualistic lightsaber, not 'one of the standard models'...65.27.139.162 12:00, 10 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The meaning of that sentence was that these were standardized hilt options in the NJO era, but likley wasn't during other eras. It is not meant to in any way inply that these were the only options available, merely that they were standardized. I should know, as I wrote it. But if it gives such an impression, and you can think of a better wording, then by all means, edit the article. DarthMRN 13:58, 18 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Per 65.27.139.162, ther is no standardized lightsaber. Each jedi makes their own individualistic lightsaber  Galen Merik Senate seal.svg page 14:23, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

I think it can be explained quite easily. Luke's NJO is using information that Luke himself is passing on and what little he has gathered. Seeing as the knowledge on how to make different kinds of lightsabers from absolute scratch is probably lost at this point, meaning not recovered yet, it stands to reason that the Praxeum would provide a number of standardized schematics, and considering how incredibly dangerous it is to build a lightsaber, (I believe reading in shadows of the empire luke was absolutely terrified that he'd screw up his lightsaber construction and make it go nova when he activated it)and considering how few Jedi there were at the time ,Luke very well couldn't afford to allow any of his Jedi apprentice's to go Experimenting with Lightsaber hilt designs until they were far more experienced with them and there were more. So you have an explanation for these "frequently used standards" two fold logically in canon, 1. is the NJO simply didn't have enough information on building them to allow variants, or the construction itself was too dangerous and Luke simply forbade anyone from deviating from the default designs until they were much much more experienced with them, due to the risk not worth the vanity of it. of course later when Jedi were more numerous and Lightsaber construction had been thoroughly re-explored to the point of safety then yes, it would make perfect sense to allow some variety in the construction. then again, you could also say that since it's only Jaden using these hilts allegedly in the game, that they were the schematics Jaden had on hand, after all, how else do you come to a Jedi academy with your own lightsaber without having a handbook on how to put one together, sure some of the stuff you can intuit with the force, but not engineering and fabrication know how!

Dueling is Impossible
If a Lightsabre blade is just coloured light until it comes into contact with something, How can two lightsabres duel eachother?


 * JawaChiefEnter the Sandcrawler JawaTV My missions
 * You might want to read the article. Thefourdotelipsis 09:49, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

You're kidding, right? What the hell kind of Star Wars fan are you???

there not coloured ligth there plasma engery held in an eletromagnetic field. Xion1212 16:42, 22 July 2008 (UTC)xion

you call yourself a star wars fan, plus its alittle more than just colored light if you acctually read the article --Dr.Pepper&#39;s Krayt Dragon 02:40, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

move
I suggest the creation of an article like Lightsabers in pop culture and move half of the BtS section there. Right now the article is awkwardly long. MoffRebus 15:04, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Thats not a bad idea since the page is rather long! -- "Awar 12:01, 12 September 2007 (UTC)">

LIghtsabers outside sw
In the PlayStation 2 game Jak II Baron Praxis uses a green lightsaber when he tries to kill Kor and in the sequel, Jak 3, the precursor robot uses a big red lightsaber and also in ....

Incorrect, Baron Praxis carries a sword "charged with eco energy" as quoted from the Jak and Daxter Wikia, and it is indeed a sword with green eco, as metalheads are creatures of dark eco, green as been known to subdue the dark eco's so no. As for the Precursor robot, it uses a lazer beam weapon that seems to just project a red beam of energy not a contained beam of plasma like a lightsaber. -Nex

Anyone care to finish it? ...  or delete it? or anything? -- Kit  (Comlink)

In the comic book Grendel Tales: Devils and Deaths the character Zora has a plasma sword which she loses to a bigfoot like mutant creature who then bisects her. Grendel Drago, who had established a rapport with the creature plays a copying game using a flashlight to the creature's plasma sword. The creature activates the blade right under its chin, killing itself.

Short Lightsaber not the same as Shoto
A short lightsaber is not actually the same thing as a shoto. A shoto is a lightsaber with a shorter blade than usual, a lightdagger. However, a short lightsaber is a lightsaber with a shorter hilt not a shorter blade. Short lightsabers were useful for better wielding during 2-weapon fighting and while utilizing jar kai or if a person had a shorter height than most. Yoda wielded a short lightsaber. His hilt was shorter than most. However, the length of his blade was still the same length as regular lightsabers. It was a short lightsaber, but not a shoto. Luke Skywalker used shotos against Lumiya but not short lightsabers. Sora Bulq used a shoto but not a short lightsaber. Do you see the difference? It makes sense, because short lightsabers according to Kotor II and Kotor gave the wielder a better chance at wielding two weapons simultaneously effectively. While this was simply gameplay stats, we can infer than if a lightsaber had a shorter hilt, it would be indeed easier to wield when using two weapons. The short lightsabers shown in Kotor and Kotor II had the same length as the regular lightsabers but shorter hilt. Does anyone agree with me on this? Because I want to change the part of the article about the short lightsabers and shoto. Cyfiero 03:19, 7 January 2008 (UTC)
 * Okay, nevermind people. Cyfiero 05:34, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

If you look closely when yoda battles Darth Sidious his blade is indeed shorter.


 * A short lightsaber's blade is shorter than a regular lightsaber as well as it's hilt. A shoto's blade and hilt is even smaller and ther is no such thing as a lightdagger  Galen Merik Senate seal.svg page 14:29, December 9, 2009 (UTC)

Synth-crystal blade
In the article it says that a Sith synth-crystal blade coul rarely but still possibly "break" another lightsaber blade. Shouldn't it be mentioned that this was only possible when energized by the dark side of the Force?

"Though it rarely happened, a Sith synthetic crystal lightsaber blade was capable of overloading a regular lightsaber in combat, making it short out, thus giving the Sith a small psychological edge over their opponents." I think that should be changed to:

"Though it rarely happened, a Sith synthetic crystal lightsaber blade energized by the dark side of the Force was capable of overloading a regular lightsaber in combat, making it short out, thus giving the Sith a small psychological edge over their opponents." Cyfiero 03:50, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Considering that the only way to make a Sith synth-crystal is through the dark side, isn't that rather redundant? --2Corin 517 20:50, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Lightsaber Physics On Earth
I have been doing research on laser-based lightsabers. Basically, it would be a class 4 or 5 laser beam enveloped in an electromagnetic field (to repel other laser lightsabers). But there are two things: a safety issue for eyes (it would need some sort of filter to make the beam safe to look at by blocking blinding radiation), and something to make the electromagnetic field ONLY repel other lightsabers.

Any thoughts or comments? Extrasolar4 19:35, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

how about anti protons being shot out, then pulled back in by a positively charged coupling. the colouring crystal would cause the gamma rays emitted via antimatter anhialation to lose energy(frequency) via fluorecence. along with at least partially explaining the gyroscopics and the no/heat connundrum.

When it comes to heat and Tenel Ka: human nerves are the first thing to burn from heat, and the synapses generate a feeling cold from no longer having body heat detected by those nerves. Too complicated an answer? Watch the first Punisher movie.Khansemus 02:37, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Ancient Jedi Pic
There is this picture under the Hilt Variants subtopic that says it is a picture an ancient Jedi and his lightsaber. I'm 99% sure this is wrong, because pictures showing ancient Jedi and their lightsabers in the comic books show a regular looking lightsaber, rather than one that has a battery pack strapped to the user. Additionally, the same picture shows up in the Behind the Scenes subtopic as the very early concept art for the lightsaber. This needs clarification. CM-56327  ( HUD Comlink ) 19:22, 23 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually the key word in that caption is 'archaic' (which means really, really old). The text in the article accompanying the pic talks about the earliest sabers, called 'proto-sabers', which were essentially crystals mounted on hilts with cables linking to power packs either on the wearer's belt or back. These proto-sabers first appeared in the Tales of the Jedi mini-series as a way to establish the stories as taking place in the distant past. Notable jedi like Odan-Urr were wielders of this style, and a pic of him with one is also in this article. The Bts pic is also, I believe from the early TotJ mini.Tocneppil 09:13, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, that makes sense, but what about when that picture shows up again as a concept art drawing? I know it's wrong (because the licensing of the image says its from a comic book), so do you think I should delete it? I don't want to delete it and find out I shouldn't have. CM-56327  JaingHead.svg ( HUD Comlink ) 17:45, 26 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I'd leave it where it is. I believe the drawing was a bonus page in the TotJ collection of comics.Tocneppil 20:26, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Edits I just reverted
For some unexplained reason, user:Darth Benny recently reverted the entire article to an old version from October 2007. He gave no explanation for why he reverted the entire article to such an old version, and he essetially deleted all the work that has gone into the article since october. So I have gone ahead and reverted his edits and returned the article to its most recent version. I'm not sure why he did it, but I think it has somthing to do with this forum post, where someone provided a link to the same version of the article that Darth Benny reverted everything to. 72.79.223.108 22:39, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Lightsaber Lifecycle...
I was curious if there were any articles that showed the timeline of specific lightsabers...

For example... Anakin's passed onto Luke Qui-Gon's passed onto Obi-Wan...

Etc etc...

A page or article on when specific lightsabers were first seen, and when they were lost or met their destruction would be interesting.

Triggersaber
For the longest time, there was a section on Wikipedia about a Triggersaber; a modified shoto thast turned on/off real fast as to bypass another lightsaber duelist's defenses. Is there anymore info on this particular type of Lightsaber? Muldoon X9 20:14, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that was fanon.Bao-Dur&#39;s clone 19:24, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Are you aware of the technique known as Trakata?Tocneppil 20:10, 18 July 2008 (UTC)


 * While I can't speak for the triggersaber (something I've not heard of, yet seems preposturous due to the time and energy it activate and deactivate such a saber), Trakata has, and is used with normal sabers and is simply technique. --2Corin 517 20:53, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Changing the Length/Width of the Lightsaber Blade
"By adding up to three focusing crystals of varying attributes, the blade's length and power output could be adjusted using control mechanisms built into the hilt's shaft. [source?]"

In Splinter of the Mind's Eye (page 30, lines 17-18 and 30-32) Luke uses "controls" set in the hilt of the saber. This should be used as the needed citation.
 * I think it has more to do with the addition of the focusing crystals than the length/power output part, though that [source?] could be split up. 03:30, 19 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Gantoris also constructed a lightsaber that could vary the length of the blade.--Anonyhm 04:56, 23 May 2009 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure lightsabers have a nod-like thing they use to adjust the length and width of the blade, varying on the user. --Dr.Pepper&#39;s Krayt Dragon 03:51, October 25, 2009 (UTC)

Corran Horn uses a "Shifting" lightsaber in NJO.

--- Off-hand, I can remember the following who have used dual-phase blades: In the Jedi Academy books, they describe the construction of a multi-phase lightsaber as more complicated because it requires multiple crystals in order to alter the focus of the plasma beam, thereby altering the length of the blade. It is also implied that these weapons are constructed with pre-set beam lengths that you switch between, although I imagine it might be possible to create a weapon with minimum/maximum settings where the blade can be set at any length between. fodigg (talk) | 15:19, February 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Darth Vader (A New Hope: blade extends during final dual vs. Obi-wan)
 * Gantoris (The Jedi Academy Trilogy)
 * Corran Horn (I, Jedi)

jedi with red blades
i saw a picture with leia holding a red lightsaber and the twilek in dark tide 2 i forgot her name held a "scarlet" blade. i know new jedi order jedi were allowed to use red blades but im not sure about old republic jedi. please post your toughts on my talk page and here if you wishMrhappy100 22:22, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

well in the old republic wernt there more sith? and if that is the case then having a red blade in combat would probably lead to some jedi mistaking you for i sith

There is mention of some jedi using the red blades during the Old Republic- Adi Gallia was one if i remember right -but she built a new saber and changed the color. In KOTOR there is some red crystals found from the crystal cave- some sources claim that all red crystals are synthetized though -but probably jedi used more red blades when sith weren't considered a threat- then there would have been problem for soldiers with confusing own and enemy on the battleground- jedi recognise each other by Force Aura anyway i think- but own soldiers might confuse jedi and sith if they have same colored blades...--Swashbuckler1138 18:13, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm pretty sure Leia used a red blade for a time. In the Old Republic and in the NJO, blade colors were more varied. I don't have a source off-hand, but Sith tended to use synthetic crystals, which is why they could consciously make their blades red. Imperial Knights would later use the same process to make all their blades silver-white (but without the whole "infusing with the dark side" thing). I would imagine that a jedi who used a crystal/gem that just naturally had a red color wouldn't care overly much. &mdash;fodigg  (talk) | 18:48, February 26, 2010 (UTC)

More Aquatic sabers needed
I've noticed that there seems to be a mistake in what sabers are cited. In The Cestus Deception Obi-Wan and Asajj Ventress fall into water with there lightsaber activated and I believe Obi-Wan cuts Asajj with his lightsaber while underwater while she is unable to defend. If this is true, then all three (maybe two I don't remember if Asajj had a lightsaber destroyed or not) have some aquatic ability. --2Corin 517 20:58, 15 September 2008 (UTC)


 * This article also leaves out the fact that Luke's lightsaber was waterproof, as he uses it underwater in issue #102 and earlier in issue #87 of Marvel.173.68.127.34 17:54, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
 * No it doesn't. It says he has an aqua-saber. --TheDoctor42 22:25, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Black
Is the black lightsaber that Galen Marek can wield in The Force Unleashed canon or just an in game extra? And does it need mentioning in the article either way? Torchwood5 20:57, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It's just an extra, but I don't think it needs a specific mention, though I could be wrong. // ~mikah~  21:41, 28 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I have read the novel and there is no mention of a black lightsaber. I have recently deleted the statement mentioning black lightsabers but it was reverted back. Where in the novel is the mention? --Xinder 00:35, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * It's in the game, not the novel. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 00:37, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * This creates a problem, as I do not own the game I can neither verify or deny your claim. Another problem is that I cannot figure out on my own if it is or is not a simple game mechanic. Studying how lightsabers work, having a black saber is impossible, for light cannot be black.
 * It's in there. Trust us. And Star Wars does not always follow real-life science.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:46, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * But is it a game mechanic, like something you unlock? Or is it definately usable without cheating?--Xinder 00:49, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I think it's something you can find if you look in the right place, take a look at this video. 96.240.195.84 00:53, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, I can now without a doubt declare that black lightsabers are noncanon, and that the one in Force Unleashed is just an in-game extra--Xinder 01:06, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * "I declare it non-canon because I don't like it" is not how canon works. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 01:08, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Okay, so now it becomes personal? No, if you look at it you can easily see that this is non-canon. Also, if it was canon it would have been mentioned in the novel, it was not; disproving your "theory"--Xinder 01:20, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with I need a name, it should be kept in the article. Xinder, you have no authority to declare it as non-canon, unless you happen to work for Lucas Arts. It is in the game, it can be found during gameplay without using cheat codes (as far as I know), and no official source has delared it non-canon. It's canon until it is officially declared non-canon by LucasArts or Leland Chee. If you want, you can go and ask Chee on the starwars.com forums (I forget which thread though) wether or not the crystal is canon. If Chee says the black crystal is non-canon, we can remove it. Until then, the black crystal stays in the artice. It's canon until it is officially stated otherwise. Gray Jedi 22:03, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

2009-04-22: In the "lightsaber colors" category, there is a brief mention that "black lightsaber crystals were known to exist". This is ambiguously worded. I would suggest: "Crystals that produce a lightsaber blade which appears "black" were known to exist." I feel this is a better way to phrase it because:
 * It's the color of the blade, not the crystal, that is important
 * It puts the emphasis on blade "appearance" instead of making the dubious claim that the lightsaber actually produces "black"-colored light
 * So where in the game can you find the black lightsaber crystal? --Bold Clone 18:42, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

also, if its lightsaber 'color', then black isnt a color. and i agree with the guys here that it isnt canon, although i would like a black lightsaber, it just isnt possible. plus, it says 'White with black core', which means that it is black but goes white. seroisly, HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE? they still live in our universe you know, so they have the same phisics.
 * Hate to burst your bubble, wait no I don't. You are absolutely 100% unambiguously wrong. Star Wars The Clone Wars proves you wrong. Star Wars The Clone Wars is canon and that had a white with black core colored Lightsaber. --Revan&#39;s Exile 00:01, February 10, 2010 (UTC)


 * I hope you realize that those comments were made well before "The Mandalore Plot" even aired. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 00:14, February 10, 2010 (UTC)
 * Wait, nevermind. Disregard that. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 00:16, February 10, 2010 (UTC)

Saber Naginata
Why is the saber naginata or saber spear used by Kazdan Paratus and the Imperial guards not in this article? It is obviously a different type of lightsaber than any listed on the page, and yet it is not here. --96.234.154.128 23:47, 24 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Paratus used a lightsaber staff, and they are covered in the Unusual Weapon Variants section of this article. Gray Jedi 03:18, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps then it should be called by another name, as the double bladed lightsabers sometimes go by this name, and are even called "Staffs" in this article. --96.234.154.128 01:48, 27 October 2008 (UTC)

Vader.. dual phase?
What's the deal with Darth Vader and the dual phase lightsaber? Is this something established in the novels? Because at the moment it appears as though someone has caught a camera angle in Ep IV that implies his saber is longer than Obi-Wan's and written an entire story to justify something that really doesn't require it.
 * I removed that bit.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:40, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

Many of the sources required can be found in I,a Jedi
Please check if the sources of many of the articles won't be found in I,a Jedi.

Non-Force-Sensitive Users
Do we really need to keep the 'Non-Force-Sensitive Users' section? Bold Clone 01:17, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Perhaps if we reincarnate into a category. Chaos Shepherd 01:56, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Darth Sidious' Lightsaber
Darth Sidious uses a lightsaber made of a phrik alloy with an aurodium finish (Star Wars: The Complete Visual Dictionary). --Shon Kon Ray 05:43, 17 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I've never heard of aurodium, but i've read in the visual dictionary and this article that his hilt is made with phrik and electrum.--Black Jack Scarron 23:54, 17 January 2009 (UTC)

As for The Complete Visual Dictionary, I'm fairly certain that the only reference to electrum is with an arrow indicator to Mace Windu's second lightsaber. --Shon Kon Ray 05:24, 18 January 2009 (UTC)

shoto
This article leaves out the fact that Luke constructed his own shoto in 4 ABY after his defeat and capture by Lumiya and the Nagai. He uses it along with his own blade to defeat Lumiya.173.68.127.34 17:54, 5 February 2009 (UTC) he might have got it from the ultimate guide to the forceJedi master 999 02:44, November 29, 2009 (UTC)
 * I haven't heard that before. Where is your source?
 * Just thought I'd toss this out there. It's mentioned in the original Lumiya material, but it's also referenced again when Mara constructs hers in the Legacy series. Narroc 06:56, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

HELP
What are those pike things on the side of this lightsaber im blanking ~ Daniel 05:36, 20 February 2009 (UTC)

The only thing I can think of you might be talking about is from the Wii version of Star Wars The Force of Unleashed and the toy version of the Apprentice's lightsaber. Those were referred to as Sith Spikes on the toy version's box if I remember correctly. Without more information I can't be sure that is what you are talking about. --Revan&#39;s Exile 18:35, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

Lightsaber gauntlet
The Lightsaber gauntlet would best fit under unusual weapon variants heading of the article correct? --Revan&#39;s Exile 23:34, 9 March 2009 (UTC)

Lightsaber from jadenkorr.com
The Lightsaber in her right hand, I have never seen a Lightsaber like that before. Is that one from anything official or a custom job done to a game? --Revan&#39;s Exile 18:39, 10 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's a custom modification, and not based on anything canon. 03:05, 12 March 2009 (UTC)
 * To bad, looks sweet. --67.187.26.29 03:49, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Changing Size
Throughout star wars when a lightsaber is swung quickly the blade appears bigger and thicker. Are they really thicker or is this a trick played on the eye? If so why don't more jedi do this? If not maybe that technique of turning the lightsaber on and off is more distracting than I thought. Also wouldn't this mean species across the galaxy with poorer eyesight that see all lightsaber movement this way? --TheDoctor42 21:45, 24 March 2009 (UTC)


 * i believe its a trick on the eye. it may also have to do on how in the movies they used long lightsaber props for show and shorter lightsaber props for movie combat. 68.197.103.186 22:34, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

It's a motion blur, I think. --Skull123246 23:08, 12 July 2009 (UTC)

Firesaber Request
Star Wars Exodus: Visual Encyclopedia mentions a "firesaber" in its list of blade types:

"The crystals in this variation on the single blade are misaligned just enough to keep the solid core of the saber but cause the energy around it to flare out. Although not as effective a cutting tool as a regular lightsaber blade, the firesaber is still able to block other sabers and are often known to "spit" when struck - spilling lightsaber energy randomly to burn whatever is nearby. Often this kind of saber can cause as much damage to the user as it does to the enemy if they have no way to compensate for it. The sheer collateral damage the combatants endure from the firesaber during a duel tends to make any fighting brief. Firesabers can be very unstable, blowing up in their user's hands or simply having the blade die in mid-combat, unless they're built to exacting specifications. Sivter briefly used this type of blade until the weapon was destroyed on Juoi. Darth Maleval is also a known user of the firesaber." 

I was wondering why this was not included in wookieepedia's list. Nor any of the topics it links, except Darth Malevall, which on here links to a diffrent Darth Malevall as apoused to the one referenced in the Visual Encyclopedia. 

are the Exodus Visual Encyclopedia sources not reliable? non-canon?

68.197.103.186 22:27, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

It's Fanon but maybe light could control the fire like it does with plasma i think or is it something else, sorry about misleading information and Fanon --Dr.Pepper&#39;s Krayt Dragon 02:30, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Fanon is not allowed here on Wookieepedia. the exodus wiki is a fanon site containing information from a non-canon RPG. 72.79.214.183 22:37, 1 April 2009 (UTC)
 * oky-doke. still freakin' cool lightsaber though. 68.197.103.186 23:26, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Clean wound????
It is said that lightsabers create a clean wound but in a new hope when obi-wan attacks the man in the cantina, his severed arm has blood around it! 81.107.156.182 14:16, 18 April 2009 (UTC)KK
 * Yeah, if I remember correctly, I believe I read somewhere that the lightsaber when it cuts, it also cauterizes the wound as well... which like said above, then how would the blood be explained in the cantina scene in A New Hope? RADuBreuil 18:51, April 18th 2009 (UTC-6).
 * Just an error on the part of the film makers or maybe Aqualish blood is just weird like that--TheDoctor42 18:56, 19 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe the canonical explanation is that Aqualishs have funky blood that doesn't cauterize normally.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 01:02, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Gallery
Should we make a gallery of lightsaber hilts? I think it would add to the page, and we could make a link from the gallery to the lightsaber page. --Bold Clone 18:20, 18 May 2009 (UTC)


 * Definitely something I'd like to see. Thelightsaber.com has a gallery of hilts, although I believe these are mainly/wholly renders of the hilts. I note that some users' pages have pictures of them, and I think the Anakin/Luke/Mara lightsaber has its own page, so there certainly seems to be some usable pictures out there. What about people using their Master Replica etc. hilts? --James Casey 22:49, September 30, 2009 (UTC)

Spelling
If you read the original star wars novels, (here im thinking of ESB), it uses the spelling "Lightsabre" rather than "Lightsaber." Should the article should be moved to "Lightsabre?"The General 17:21, 30 May 2009 (UTC) (Im not particularly good on the whole canon status in relation to everything else.)
 * The former is Canadian/British spelling, the latter is American spelling.--B-Boba Fett! He'll kill us all! 18:05, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Lack of sources????
I personally think that's a lot of sources.--B-Boba Fett! He'll kill us all! 18:04, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

SAGA list of Lightsaber types
Here's the list of Lightsaber types from the SAGA RPG Jedi Academy Training manual: Guard Shoto Archaic Lightfoil Modern Lightfoil Archaic Lightsaber Crossguard Lightsaber (Tonfas) Dual-Phase Lightsaber Dueling Lightsaber (Count Dooku's) Lightwhip Great Lightsaber (Lightsaber for weilders taller than 8 feet or whatever the metric equivalent is) Long Handle Lightsaber ("The handle where the weapon is gripped is several times larger than the standard lightsaber handle, providing a much larger surface area upon which the weilder can place his hands. Likewise, this longer grip makes it easier to swing the weapon around the body, using arms, legs, shoulders, hips and other joins as fulcrums upon which the lightsaber can be levered." I don't who's saber this is referring to and I can't see anything in the wiki about a saber like this but am definitely curious) Lightsaber Pike

Would be nice to see any information from the source that can be added (particularly the Long-Handled Lightsaber bit and the Cross-guard Saber) into the article. I leave that to the experienced. Cory 00:31, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Virtually all of this is already there. Bold Clone 00:49, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes I realize that, I was in particular pointing out the Long-Handled Lightsaber and Crossguard Light Saber Cory 00:58, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
 * The Long-Handled Lightsaber is already created as the Lightsaber staff and the Crossguard Lightsaber has been here awhile now as the Crossguard lightsaber. If you meant a tonfas version of the Crossguard lightsaber, then that's new info. Bold Clone 19:51, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Durability
Given that Anakin/Vader's lightsaber lasts for seemingly several decades and passes through several owners, that Obi-Wan's survives the destruction of the Death Star and that Corran Horn's self-made lightsaber survives the explosion he initiates in Shala the Hutt's lair, is it worth mentioning how durable lightsabers seem to be? Or is that maybe redundant considering that this is a weapon, after all, designed to channel plasma? --James Casey 23:13, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Wait, PLASMA?
Ok, the lightsaber uses "plasma", but that doesn't make any sense at all and is completely contrary to the design and infrastructure of the weapon. Plasma is the fourth state of elemental matter.

Solid - The general state of the element at a given temperature. Harder materials are solid at room temperature.

Liquid - Heat the material above the solid form temperature and it liquefies.

Gas - Heat the material further and it evaporates into a gas.

Plasma - Heat the material further (and rapidly), the material morphs into this state.

Plasma is not an "energy". What I'm wanting to know is if a lightsaber were "pure plasma", what material is the lightsaber heating up to the point that it becomes plasma? Furthermore, this has nothing to do with light at all. Plasma weapons are a completely different set of weapon type from laser-based weapons.

I don't think that Source #1 or 2 can be cited because it just doesn't make any sense. I think the authors just thought that the word "plasma" was a cool, sci-fi word and used it without knowing exactly what it is. It's not energy. and it's not a material.

It's science fiction but on my light knowledge of lightsabers that light controls or something else like that, and that plasma is not an energy at least not as what i know of. --Dr.Pepper&#39;s Krayt Dragon 02:27, October 25, 2009 (UTC)
 * Firstly, you didn't sign your name after your post (done by typing ~ ) which is no big deal, but is definitely helpful. Secondly, it's science fiction. We can hear sounds in space and see explosions in space without thinking too much of it... While some thing are based on reality, others are not and I think that this is one thing that is not.  batTUrd  - 23:02, September 30, 2009 (UTC)


 * Plasma is matter so it pretty much has mass which is weight. In a lightsaber all the weight is in the hilt. Pure energy which is what they originally were has no weight

Since the source that identifies lightsabers as plasma is "the mostly fictional basis for a holothriller or a novelization thereof, penned by one of the characters of the frame story. This would put the majority of the book into a quantum state of being possibly, but not certainly, canonically true."(http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Luke_Skywalker_and_the_Shadows_of_Mindor#Behind_the_scenes), I am not sure we should just take that as a fact, and until a more solid source states they are indeed some manner of plasma, they should remain the "laser swords" they have always been. --Cire Yeldarb 04:25, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Anakin's Lightsaber
I don't know if this should be marked under lightsaber or Anakin Skywalker but, the lightsaber used by anakin in Episode 2 is the EXACT same as the one in episode 3, it could be possible that he built a new one but with the same hilt. --Dr.Pepper&#39;s Krayt Dragon 03:48, October 25, 2009 (UTC)


 * Anakin's lightsaber from episode 2 isn't the same as the one in episode 3. they're similar but you can clearly tell they aren't the same. jedi_master425 Nov.2, 2009

List of lightsabers
is it worth maintaining a List of Lightsabers page for notable lightsabers like Anakin Skywalker's first lightsaber and Anakin Skywalker's second lightsaber? fodigg  (talk) | 17:05, October 28, 2009 (UTC)

Lightsaber Plasma
Alright. in the behind the scenes on the prequel dvds george lucas called them laser swords. he said they were laser energy not plasma. so when did they become plasma

Argument
Me and my friends have been arguing whether a non force sensitive person can use a light saber.I think only force sensitive people can use lightsabers without killing themselves. can anyone help me?

"Technicly" yes, a non force sensitive user can wield and use a Lightsaber. However I can honestly say that it takes Force sensitivity to truly use it with skill. If you read up on Shoto it will make note that the smaller blade makes it easier to wield and non force sensitives can use them. Lightfoils can aslo be used by non force sensitives, however there a little below lightsabers.

Also please ask in-universe questions at http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Knowledge_Bank Philosopher Sith 13:43, December 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * Yes, non Force-sensitives can use lightsabers. Don't you remember Han Solo in The Empire Strikes Back, when he used Luke's lightsaber to cut open the tauntaun? Another example is Darca Nyl who used a lightsaber as actively as any Jedi. Also, as Philosopher Sith said, please direct these sorts of questions to the Knowledge Bank in the future. This talk page is only to be used for discussing the article. Xicer9 [[Image:atgar.svg|20px]]( Combadge) 13:52, December 9, 2009 (UTC)


 * Non Force-sensitives can NOT use lightsabers in combat even it you are Force-sensitive you must be a Jedi. Yes Han Solo used Luke's lightsaber to cut open the tauntaun but that is a very simple task and it still probaly chalenged his cordination. If a non-Jedi tryed to use a lightsaber in combat he would cut his own head off. The force field that "holds" a lightsaber beam together makes it imposible for any one but a Jedi to control. Boda Fett used a lightsaber on Jaina Solo in the book:Bloodlines but he never used the blade on her he just hit her with the deactivaded hilt. The shorter blade of the shoto might make it easer but still non Jedi can't use them.


 * I'm not really sure where you're getting this whole concept of non Force-sensitives thing from, but it's patently wrong. In the more recent books, there are numerous examples of people using them that aren't Force sensitives. One of the bounty hunters sent to arrest Luke Skywalker in Outcast carries one, and Luke specifically remarks that they aren't Force sensitive. Jagged Fel wields one in an attempt to trick Jaina into attacking him in Fury, and they actually clash several times with them. She remarks that he won't win the fight, but that is simply a matter of her skill versus his, and not his lack of Force powers resulting in his death. It's not so much that a non-Jedi would cut his own head off, it's that an unskilled swordfighter runs a higher risk of killing themself because unlike a traditional sword, the lightsaber blade has no weight or resistance, something with which many are unprepared to deal with, and unlike a traditional sword, will dismember or kill with the first mistake made. What you're referring to with this whole Forcefield thing, I have no idea. I would be willing to wager that, had a skilled swordfighter or fencer been given a lightsaber, they would be quite capable of mastering it within a short while, insofar as a person incapable of using the Force could do. They would not automatically kill themselves. Narroc 19:12, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

P.S: Philosopher Sith, as far as I'm concerned ther is no such thing as a "Lightfoil" what is your sorce? please reply on my talk page  Galen Merik Talk page 18:05, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * There are quite a few sources for lightfoils. In fact, he even linked to the page. Dr. Kermit ( Complain. ) 18:10, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

Past tense?
Forgive my ignorance, but why is this article written in the past tense? Isn't this stuff still going on? 98.203.186.94 06:39, December 30, 2009 (UTC)
 * No, Star Wars takes place a long time ago in a galaxy far away. So, all in-universe articles are in the past tense. -LtNOWIS 07:02, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Ohhhh. Well that makes a lot of sense, come to think of it. 152.117.237.58 18:47, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

using force on a lightsaber
hey i was just wondering [since im making a fanfic] could it have been possible to hold a lightsaber in midair using the force? they could hold objects such as walls or friut but what about a lightsaber? if so, then what about two, or more lightsabers? like six lightsabers floating around them. that would be so cool.
 * Note that this talk page is to discuss the article and not the general subject matter. That said, force-users CAN levitate lightsabers, as they do with Saber Throw. Also, Kreia controlled multiple lightsabers when in combat against the Jedi Exile. The lightsaber hilt has weight and heft just as any other object, and a lightsaber blade can "push" against anything that can survive its heat/cutting power, such as when Qui-Gon Jinn attempted to carve open a blast door, leaning heavily on the hilt of his saber to do so. fodigg  BlackRebelStarbird.png (talk) | 20:15, January 25, 2010 (UTC)

Lighsaber Resistant Materials
Vonduun Crab Armor is resistant (Semi-Resistant?) to lightsabers as well and is not listed. Anakin or Luke had to alter their attack to come in under the Arm in a slicing motion towards the Head to kill a Yuuzhan Vong. And before you ask me what kinda star wars fan I am, go back and read some of the first New Jedi Order books.

Dark Saber
So since the dark saber has a black blade does that make it canon for any saberblade color? or is it only unique to the dark saber? jedi_master425
 * Unclear. The Darksaber proves that such a thing is possible, but is also intended as a unique weapon. So yes, that black lightsabers can exist is now canon, but this is the only example (currently) that is canon. I hope that makes sense. fodigg  (talk) | 21:41, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

Weight
George Lucas said a lightsaber weighed about 30 kg (actually he said 60 lbs). Tinminer 01:30, February 12, 2010 (UTC) That's absolutely ridiculous, there is simply no way a weapon that small and obviously lightly carried weighs 60llbs.

Jedi Civil War
In the Jedi Civil War section, there's a possibility there needs to be some rewording. It states that Revan attacked the Republic in order to unify it, with the goal of preparing the Republic for the Sith invasion. This contradicts more recently established canon, specifically that Revan was the leader of the Sith Empire Vanguard. Whether he was attempting to protect the Republic, advance the Sith Empire, or take power himself is unproven as of yet.--Jxspyder 04:40, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, that needs to go. That "theory" was an invention of KotOR II and then told by Darth Traya. Recent lore from Star Wars: The Old Republic has shown that it was false, and that Revan was supposed to prepare the way for the Sith Empire's invasion but got greedy and tried to conquer the galaxy himself. He was not "good all along". There is an author quote on the matter. I will see if I can find it as a source. &mdash;fodigg  (talk) | 16:13, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * Well that just killed KOTOR for me. Here's hoping they don't make a KOTOR3. --Revan&#39;s Exile 16:37, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * What did? The fact that Revan's was an actual redemption story? Or did we spoil something? &mdash;fodigg  (talk) | 17:10, February 26, 2010 (UTC)
 * What I liked about Revan was his motivations as told by Kriea. Now Revan is no different than any other ordinary fallen Jedi turned back to the light, BORING. --Revan&#39;s Exile 01:32, February 27, 2010 (UTC)
 * I didn't like Kreia's version for two reasons: 1) Flat character arcs don't make for strong characters, and 2) the same explanation was already being widely used to explain the actions of Thrawn in order to make him more sympathetic. &mdash;fodigg  (talk) | 15:01, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * I liked Kreia's explanation because Revan was shown to be different than your average Jedi who embraced the Dark Side because they let their emotions (anger, greed, jealousy, power hungry, whatever) or their stupidity got the best of them. Revan did it as a calculated risk to try and save the galaxy, but he overestimated his ability to manage the Dark Side and he became addicted or whatever. It reminded me of an undercover cop who as part of his assignment has to take drugs to maintain his cover, but becomes a drug addict and can't give it up even after the assignment is over. Now Revan is no different than Anakin, Palpatine, Sidious, etc. Instead of standing out in the crowd, he just blends in and becomes ordinary, boring. If I wanted ordinary & boring I go watch Soap Operas or Westerns. But whatever it's their story let them ruin or not as they please, I just won't support it. You say it was used widely yet you only mention Thrawn, were there others are is your definition of widely broader than mine because I don't consider one person to be widely, sure it may be told, discussed in a wide variety of books or whatever but it still just one man. --Revan&#39;s Exile 16:48, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * See your talk page for my reply. &mdash;fodigg  (talk) | 16:53, March 1, 2010 (UTC)

Colour variations
Is there any information on the colour variations of lightsabers? e.g. how many colour variations there are; do the colours have significance; how are they produced?; why are red only used by Sith (maybe wrong here); is Mace Windu's purple blade unique? (Dark Woman perhaps suggests not) etc. I do not have the depth of knowledge to add a section or sub-section concerning this but I am sure it is an area many are interested in.Nedueb 09:35, June 7, 2010 (UTC)