Talk:Infinite Empire

Should we put Trandosha on this list? And what about Dathomir and Ragna III?

I'd rather abolish the "Possible planets" section. Speculation, planets chosen seemingly at random. - Sikon [ Talk ] 17:32, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I actually had some good reasons for placing those planets on there. Trandosha is by convenience, since we know that Kashyyyk was a member world. The Yuzzem are believed to be related to the Wookiees, so it's possible that the Rakata took some proto-Wookiees to Ragha III for use as slave labor. And Dathomir I put on because of the presence of Rancors on the Unknown World. And it would account for their presence on other worlds. But I don't know what Naboo is doing there. -- SFH 21:43, 17 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Still, it's an encyclopedia, not a place for speculation. - Sikon [ Talk ] 04:01, 18 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Rancors came aboard ships that crashed into it because of the force field, Dathomir had nothing to do with it. 64.229.150.42 21:19, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
 * You know, maybe we should remove it. I put it up there because those first three actually had some good, historical answers for theories, but now people are just putting random weirdness on there. -- SFH 00:42, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I say, keep the "known planets" listing but remove the "suspected planets" listing.  &mdash; Silly Dan  00:49, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * They have been removed&mdash;but only because it was getting out of hand. I still believe that Ragna III, Trandosha, and Dathomir were at one point part of the Infinite Empire. -- SFH 01:01, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I think the list should be put back in. I had a serious reason for putting Naboo in the suspected planet list. Whoever put Onderon in needs to check their facts. Jasca Ducato 12:02, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Corellian System
Hold on! The Rakata were the ones who built the Corellian System? They also occupied Duro? What the Hell? I thought the Infinite Empire was located in the Unknown Regions and the Mid and Outer Rims. What are they doing in the Core Worlds? This New Essential Chronolgy is changing way to much stuff without a thought to a decade of past information. -- SFH 22:43, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, now they also conquered Coruscant? So "sleeper ships" were sent out to the various planets with the Rakata totally unaware, yes sleeper ships. The Coruscanti then drove the Rakata off the planet, and then totally forgot about them...Did the guys who wrote the NEC even bother to read all the info they got, or did they just make it up as they went along? -- SFH 00:11, 26 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Firstly, it was one guy who wrote the NEC. Dan Wallace. He knows his EU. Secondly, the Coruscanti didn't really drive the Rakata off Coruscant - the Rakata succumbed to plague, and the humans killed them. QuentinGeorge 06:35, 27 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Since there was only 10 billion Rakata in the entire empire, and they had 500 worlds, that means only an average of 20 million per world. If you consider that their homeworld likely contained more than half of the total population of Rakata, then that average is down to 10 million. Coruscant's population at the time is described as "billions". It's likely the Rakata were not totally in control of the planet, especially since its only stated that "slaves from Coruscant built the Star Forge". QuentinGeorge 08:05, 27 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I might also point out that Coruscant is closer to Rakata Prime than Tatooine, Honoghr and Korriban. As seen here QuentinGeorge 08:53, 27 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * If the Rakata Elders in KOTOR are to be believed the Infinite Empire had the entire galaxy under their control. This would indicatate that Coruscant would have had to have been occupied.  10 Billion Rakata could have easily controlled their conquests through the use of droids similar to the one found in Dantoinne, I'm sure that they would have had plenty of native "Quislings" to help as well. Kampfy 7:19, 30 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Is there anywhere a version of this map without the Vader picture that covers an essential part of it and makes it impossible to be used in an encyclopedia? - Sikon [ Talk ] 11:50, 27 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Some comments about the map:

So, Taris and Manaan are now put on the map, and finally one can understand how an Outer Rim planet can be a galactic hub... Still, it's strange that Dantooine and Korriban were kept in a part of the galaxy opposite to the Unknown Regions, which makes the Infinite Empire basically spread throughout the whole galaxy: Rakata Prime in the Unknown Regions, while Dantooine, Kashyyyk, Manaan and Korriban are far away, Tatooine is somewhere in the middle.

It also means that the KOTOR-era Sith Empire was not in what is now called the Unknown Regions, because it is said that Korriban was located on its border. (Malachor isn't shown, and that's bad, since it could help with clarifying the issue.) - Sikon [ Talk ] 11:50, 27 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Remember, In 4,000 BBY, the Unknown Regions covered a much larger area. QuentinGeorge 12:06, 27 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * NavComputer has an update with the new planets as well. QuentinGeorge 12:12, 27 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Sleheyron
It was c-u-t. Cut = never happened. - Sikon [ Talk ] 15:09, 24 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * And now Dxun. Is it said in the NEC that Dxun was a member of the Infinite Empire? - Sikon [ Talk ] 06:44, 13 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * You're right, the NEC does not say anywhere that Dxun was a member world of the Infinite Empire. - MyNz 8:28, 14 Dec 2005

Ziost
Do we have a source for the inclusion of Ziost on the confirmed planets list? I don't remember it being mentioned as a member world in the New Essential Chronolgy or the KOTOR games... Is it conjectural? If so, it should go... --Sentry 04:56, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It's more reasonable assumption than anything. The Rakata are believed to be the ones who took the Sith to Korriban from Ziost. -- SFH 05:05, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * According to who? Fans? So its conjectural? You might want to at least mark it as unconfirmed... Unsourced assumptions tend to confuse the poor Star Wars neophytes ;) --Sentry 05:11, 8 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Listed it as suspected. But it is a reasonable theory. -- SFH 05:18, 8 February 2006 (UTC)

Humans in the Infinite Empire
Humans were stated by the fully functional droid relic on Dantooine in KOTOR as being NOT amoung the slaves of "The Builders".

Where is the source for the contact with humanity?

And where the HECK does it say Human slaves build the bloody Star Forge.

Edit: THE NEW ESSENTIAL CHRONOLOGY??????!!!!

For God's sake!


 * Maybe the droid referred to the fact Revan was a Jedi. Technically, they never subjugated that species.

Oh, and where did the 49,000 birth date for the Empire come from?


 * Calm down please! The New Essential Chronology confirms that the Rakata did enslave Humans. Here is a quote from page 4 of the New Essential Chronology:


 * The Rakatans eventually became arrogant in their power. They forced entire populations of conquered worlds into slavery, including the Duros, the humans of Coruscant, and the trispecies mix of the Corellian system. MyNz 09:19, 8 May 2006 (UTC)

Korriban/Ziost
If anyone's wondering why I removed Korriban, according to the new article Evil Never Dies: The Sith Dynasties, the Rakata never conquered it. They were in contact with the Sith species and passed on some technology (thus the Star Map), but were driven off when they tried to invade. As for Ziost being a possible world, the rationale above was that the Rakata may have moved the Sith there. According to the article, they moved themselves. - Lord Hydronium 08:26, 23 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Great, another historical contradiction. Not to cast too much doubt on the accuracy of the article in question, but the star maps were built by the Rakata as a testament to the glory of the Infinite Empire.  Why would they have constructed such a monument (with directions to the Star Forge) on a planet they did not even conquer?  Further more, the Rakata elders tell Revan that "all species bowed down to us" in Knights of the Old Republic.  Something has got to give. Kampfy 5:29, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * "All species bowed down to us" is obviously hyperbole on the part of the Rakata, since their Empire was tiny compared to later ones, so it's not a contradiction. QuentinGeorge 09:56, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Head of state
The HoS field had 'the One' but that was deleted. Of course The One is a particular finite character, however 'the One' is also a title to indicate his political status in society' Should we let a non-linked 'the One' to indicate it as a title and not as the character? MoffRebus 09:54, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * How do we know? The One probably made the title up himself after the Empire fell. In fact, The One's tribe had no memory of the Inf.Emp., so how would they have their society under the same type of ruler? I think that was a title The One gave himself. Ijtzoi 21:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)