Talk:Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic

The programmers preferred to set the game in a little documented period of the Star Wars timeline in order to have more designal frreedom, something which resulted in a vast expansion of the Expanded Universe.

Hasn't the EU already been expanded with TOTJ at that time? KOTOR simply took place after them. - Sikon [ Talk ] 16:58, 13 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Opening crawl
Can someone break it into lines similar to how it's done for the movies and KOTOR II? - Sikon [ Talk ] 01:26, 20 Oct 2005 (UTC)

No that is impossible to do unless this is Photoshopable.

Canon additions
Are the 'New Canon' sections really necessary? I haven't seen a precedent for them in any other article, and they end up almost as long as the rest of the article combined. If they are to be implimented, can't we at least keep it to important aspects of continuity? I mean, do we really need to know, in the macrocanon scheme of things, that Kotor introduced, say, Nemo and killed him off a half-hour later? --Fade 16:17, 14 Dec 2005 (UTC) ]] 19:28, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't like them either - perhaps as a sub-page, but they just make the article look messy, to be honest. And as you say, there's not a precedent for this. Tam 18:53, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm more worried about the canon state of the names "Darth" Revan and "Darth" Malak. The title Darth was instituted by Bane milennia after these games take place. It's a huge continuity error on the part of Bioware, and I suggest that either the title Darth be removed or marked as non-canon. --Swali 05:02, 11 February 2006 (UTC)
 * No Revan and Malak invented Darth as a shorter version of DARk lord of the siTH. Bane got it from Revan's holocron.Starwarsrulez 17:55, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Really? I heard that the title existed before Revan and Malak were corrupted. Darth T. [[Image:Sith_Emblem.svg|35px]] [[User talk:Darth T.| Join the dark side!
 * It did, according to the KOTOR Comic. Darth Zaktius 06:04, 19 October 2007 (UTC)

can someone tell ehat does
"canonical" mean?

144.132.15.155 01:45, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * See our article on canon. RMF 02:01, 20 March 2006 (UTC)

Can anyone tell me the where and when
The party members talk to each other?

Master Nikolce 06:55, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess when you start talking with one of them, or another character in the game. IF something relevant is heard, the party members will reply. MoffRebus 07:37, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

No, i mean when your friends talk to each other, not at Revan or another character.

Master Nikolce 06:46, 27 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Try having Mission in your group for occasionally amusing cross talk and inane chatter ( she really gets under Bastila's skin something fierce) Canderous And Bastila exchange some pithy words as do Bastila and Jolee. One of the Carth/ Bastila convos goes a long way to explain the feelings and mood that you are dealing with at the beginning of TSL. Jolee and Carth have an enlightening talk about all those epic adventures, heroes often find themselves mixed up into. Hope that helped a little.BHRamsay 11:35, 15 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Canderous and Carth can also have a conversation on the glory/horrors of war and their role as warriors/soldiers. Ijtzoi 22:48, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

Thanks man, that helps. Were there anymore? i remember hearing those ones.

Master Nikolce 02:17, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

]] 19:39, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * There's Mission telling Zaalbar to brush his teeth and comb his hair. Zaalbar was really p*ssed off, afterwards.  Darth T. [[Image:Sith_Emblem.svg|35px]] [[User talk:Darth T.| Join the dark side!

Crack up when Carth make fun of Bastila for losing her Lightsaber :-)

No Jumping?
Soon after starting this game, I found it to be missing one vital function- to jump. On Jedi Outcast, Jedi Academy, and all those games involving Kyle Katarn, the player was of course able to jump and jump -very- high.

On KOTOR (and maybe KOTOR II, which I don't have yet), no one is able to jump in the game. The game may take place 4k years before Kyle Katarn's time, but it would sound/feel rather preposterous to think/hypothesize that jumping wasn't invented/discovered back then.

If the character(s) get to jump later, in what part of the game do they start? If there is a key command that I somehow overlooked, what was it? (I thought I reviewed every command in the game though.)

Other than that, why would they intentionally take the ability to jump out of the game? --68.102.193.78 11:00, 1 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Game mechanics - TopAce 11:01, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Same reason why you can't jump in Final Fantasy. It's an RPG, not a platformer or an action game. There's no reason to jump, because you don't need it to avoiding any physical threat - Kwenn 11:02, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

It's a role playing game, not an adventure game. 'Jumping' was implemented into the Dark Forces saga for you to explore all the areas, areas designed to be explored in such a way. However, you CAN jump in KoTOR, but you have to be a jedi guardian. you recieve the 'Force Jump' feat. This basicaly means that in combat, from a certain distance away, and if there is no obstacle between you and the emenmy, selecting DEFAULT ATTACK will cause your selected character to do a jumping attack on the enemy.

Extremely limited camera movements
Another limit is the camera function. in Taris, I wanted to look up in the Lower City and see how high the skyscrapers reached. I also wanted to look down and see the surface. I could not do this.

There was also a gaping hole in the Undercity's ceiling where an escape pod fell through. I'm normally the kind of guy who wants to explore anywhere in the game as thoroughly as possible, so naturally, I wanted to look up and see what I could above the opening. This never happened either.

Was there something to toggle so I could look up and down more freely? If not, why did they limit the camera like this? --68.102.193.78 11:11, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Caps Lock, I believe. Lord Revan 23:29, 29 May 2006 (UTC)
 * There's a cheat for the XBox version that allows for a free-roam camera. Go into the Messages section of the pause menu, push the right analog stick down and press X, Left, A, X. A message saying "Punch it, Chewie!" will appear, and when you go into 1st-person view, it will let you control the camera fully. Switch out of the view to revert - Kwenn 19:36, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't know this place was becoming a gamer help center? Morgan Webb anyone? -- Riffsyphon1024 11:37, 15 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Does that work on Xbox 360?WhiteKnight 00:15, 9 April 2007 (UTC)

Larger Plot Summary?
Don't you think there should be a larger plot summary, sort of like the one in KOTOR 2? You know, so it just doesn't cover the first planet of the game? --72.25.127.97 22:10, 16 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Since the Canon drifts mostly toward the Lightside any plot summery should similarly reflect a light side retelling of the game's central events. BHRamsay 17:43, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

why not mention revan?
as this wiki gives everyone the spoiler warning at the beginning, surely it would be better to refer to 'the soldier' as revan. also the character does not have to be a soldier - he/she can be a scout or a scoundrel too... also i suggest fixing the general mess of the article - ill give it a go - please correct me if i amke a mistake...

I'm going to fix up the articles plot summary to cover the whole game. Ok, reverse it if not. Master 76

Sorry progress has been so slow. I'll try to finish it today or tomorrow. Master 76 Holodisk Mind TrickJedi Library

Ok, I really don't like thinking about Korriban, and all its difficult side quests, long quests, but anyway, could someone else fill in the Korriban section of the plot summary, I'd rather not do it (if I have to I will, however). Master 76 Holodisk Mind TrickJedi Library

took a shot at Korriban and Rekata Prime. Feel free cut, paste, bend, spindle, or distort as might be needed. at the very least it needs some pictures. BHRamsay 03:51, 23 September 2006 (UTC)

OK, did the Star Forge ... i got a little meladramtic toward the end there so some nipping and tucking might be needed.BHRamsay

ending
which is the offical ending light or dark.
 * Light. Read the article :) MoffRebus 17:53, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

i think we should split
the list of characters part, with major and minor, characters, there we would easily recognise who played a major role etc?

Master Nikolce 02:10, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Maybe we should have a sperate article for all the minor quests of the game?

Ridiculous
"Though trivial, it is important to note that Revan's mask (before his capture) strikingly resembles that of Mandalorian Neo-Crusader helmets."

Hahahahahahahahahaha! What the hell? Hahahaha. Oh, my, I love Wookieepedia sometimes (Ulicus 17:03, 6 October 2006 (UTC))

Summary
Great that we have a long summary, but i think breaking it up with subheadings would help it tremendously, making it easier to keep ones place and much less intimidating. I would do it, but i'm not that familiar with the game.-- The Erl of the  talk  What I do 02:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Planet Order
What is the canon source for the planets you visit being in that particular order? Ijtzoi 18:08, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't know if there is an actual, official order, but the Prima game guide lists Dantooine, Tatooine, Kashyyyk, Manaan, Korriban, in that order - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 18:13, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think that's the order that Vandar or someone lists them. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 18:16, 12 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Vandar says "Go to Kashyyyk, Tatooine, Manaan, and Korriban..."; however upon finding the first map Bastila recognizes them in the order {Tatooine, Kashyyyk, Manaan, Korriban}, adding. The movie "Revelation" repeats this. -Bredd13 (I am not logged on)

Trivia

 * About the machine on Kashyyyk: In addition to the Prisoner's Dilemma, it gives a scenario in which you decipher an enemy code that reveals an upcoming attack on a certain base. You have to choose between evacuating that location (thus revealing the fact that you have deciphered the code) or allowing the enemy to attack. This actually ocurred during World War II, and Churchill decided to allow the Germans to attack. Does anyone know which battle this was? If you do, then add it to that line. -Bredd13 (I am not logged on)

Galaxy Droid
This cheat doesn't work for me.Lowbacca5 00:14, 22 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it only works in the Xbox version. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 20:42, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

"Integral to the plot"?
How do you define "integral to the plot"? And why are Helena Shan and Griff Vao, whom the player may not even get the chance to see in the entire game, listed as such? - Sikon 10:35, 24 December 2006 (UTC)

Glitch Section

 * Shouldn't this games articale have a glitch section like the cut content section.

KOTOR Wiki
I've been adding the link to the KOTOR Wiki, but people keep erasing it because it is too much like a poorly made fan site. Well, it is new, and there really aren't many articles there, but there is no good reason not to have it listed in the external links. It is a wiki about the subject, so why not have it (be serious)? I know a lot of users are against the idea, but it belongs as long as it has to do with the subject. supergeeky1 The Cantina 21:57, 10 March 2007 (UTC) ]] 19:32, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
 * While we are at it, why don't we add every single freakin fan site to external links? Bad or good. It doesn't belong. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 22:54, 10 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Isn't Wookieepedia a fan site? supergeeky1 [[Image:BobaFett.jpg|20px]] The Cantina 01:21, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Doesn't matter if we are or aren't. We can't have every fan site linked here. If we even think of linking that load of crap then we'd have link every other load of crap. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 03:11, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * It's new, and I know that you perticularly hate it because they stole your images that you spent hours on, but put your grudge aside and let them put the link in, what's the big deal? And Wikipedia has us linked in many of articles, and we are a fan site, run by fans of Star Wars.  I think we should either bring an admin into this, or we hold a vote.  There is no reason not to link it, it's a wiki!  Look at Wookieepedia, it was crap at one time, but users built it, so it was a very large wiki.  KOTOR is the same way, it needs time to be built. supergeeky1 [[Image:BobaFett.jpg|20px]] The Cantina 05:35, 11 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Statement: I don't see why we need a KoTOR wiki. All you need to know about KoTOR is already here! Darth T. [[Image:Sith_Emblem.svg|35px]] [[User talk:Darth T.| Join the dark side!

Why a Dude?
I'm trying to figure out why it's more canonical to have revan a guy I liked revan being a girl because when she is the relationship with carth is much more interesting and its very similar to the Han and Leia Love Story WhiteKnight 21:22, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * wait is it because the KOTORII story is better with a girl and they (the universal "they") dont want to have two stories about girls in a row WhiteKnight 21:25, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * It's really in the eye of the beholder which story is better but Leeland has determined Revan is male due to the large male fan-base and the simplicity of setting it to male since in terms of game mechanics, the value is 0 while female is 1. Exile was only given female to shut the people up who were complaining about how all characters are guys. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 21:31, 8 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Wait a second who's Leeland and is their a specific character head that was revan I always liked the on that looks like keana Reeves (Neo from the matrix) myselfWhiteKnight 00:11, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Please use punctuation marks to separate your sentences. Leeland is a guy responsible for the Star Wars canon and we don'tknow which face of Revan is canonical MoffRebus 00:41, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank You for mentioning punctuation marks. I was in a bit of a hurry and I tend to forget EVERYTHING easily.WhiteKnight 23:35, 9 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I always thought it should be the other way around. Revan is almost clearly a female, like the OP would like. Just look at the short, feminine figure in the cutscenes, and KotOR II has a special Carth cameo if Revan is established as female and nothing happens if he is established as a male. I don't remember my reasons for the Exile being a male, I think it just makes more sense, especially when you consider his relationship with Atris (not romantic, but the story seems to suggest they had repressed feelings for each other). Plus, the one face for the male Exile with the beard pretty much sums that character up for me. The reason it's the way it is, is because KotOR has thrown several kinks into the canon and Leeland et al would probably prefer it never happened so they didn't have to make decisions like that. If you ask me, KotOR's story is infinitely better than anything pre-A New Hope or post-Return of the Jedi. Eps 1, 2 and 3 sucked. Everything Clone Wars blows. And especially everything written about events after Return should never have been.
 * Please keep opinions off the talk pages, and if you set Revan as male in Sith Lords, Carth does make a cameo at the end if Revan is set to light side.CC 0019 17:08, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

Feed The Banthas
Quick Question: On Tatooine, how do you feed the Banthas?
 * Er, sorry, but this isn't exactly the place for game walkthroughs. Try looking on GameFAQs or some other website. Unit 8311 11:27, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry, BTW, I just figured it out.

Where do I find the Mandalorian Ripper
Could someone be kind enough to tell me where is the Mandalorian Ripper in the game or at least directed me to a website who say it. Thanks.Starship Troopers 03:39, 5 May 2007 (UTC)
 * -LtNOWIS 03:44, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Starship Troopers 13:07, 5 May 2007 (UTC)

References To The Trilogies
Shouldn't this article include what KOTOR reference in the saga? Trakinor Lipost 6:46, 10 June 2007 (UTC +10)

Chack Jadson, stop reverting my change
In the Trivia section, Chack Jadson keeps reverting my change. It is incorrect to call KotOR a "prequel" to KotOR 2, as prequels, by definition, are created after the original work. For example, "The Phantom Menace" is a prequel to "A New Hope," but "A New Hope" is not a prequel to "The Empire Strikes Back." I'm changing it back. Kaje 19:03, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry. I wasn't trying to revert you. I was reverting an anon who kept adding useless info about characters species. My apologies. Chack Jadson 19:12, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
 * My apologies then. Yeah, I had been fixing his stuff too. Kaje 19:14, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Pc Question
Do you need the disk to play it?
 * AFAIK, yes. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 17:21, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Alternately you could crack it. But we'd be getting into legality issues there. Giga Hertz 21:23, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Bah! - Sikon 12:30, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

Similar to JKJA
Is this like jedi academy?--71.53.18.160 00:38, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
 * It really depends on who you ask. Darth Zaktius 06:21, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
 * This game is nothing like Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy.-- Goodwood [[Image:Redstarbird.svg|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 02:26, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

Move?
I think that Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic should be about the overall metaseries (with links to the games, comics and other KOTOR titles), and the game should be at Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic (video game). - Sikon 10:45, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm inclined to agree, and would prefer the move. However, wasn't there some sort of reasoning before for having it here? And, if so, what exactly was it? Jorrel [[Image:Wiki-shrinkable.png|20px]] Fraajic 14:36, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

'"Events" section
Shouldn't we put the battles of the Jedi Civil War that are relevant to the game in this section, as well as the Great Sith War?--Jedi Kasra 02:05, 8 January 2008 (UTC)

Where is the Website?
I tired to look for the Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords and the original game, websites, but when i look them up on Google, they don't appear? Dint's these have their own websites?

Master Nikolce 07:49, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
 * LucasArts re-organised their websites some months ago and got rid of several of them, including the ones for the KoTOR games. Before that, they used to have websites for loads of Star Wars games, even old ones such as Rogue Squadron. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 11:51, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

spoiler warning?!
I came to this page on a random google search looking for something specific to a sidequest, and it spoiled the revan plot twist for me. I see a spoiler warning referred to in the talk page- where was this?! It should definitely be more prominent, because I've been looking forward to playing this game for a long time and thanks to this article got to have the major twist ruined. Thanks.
 * We have a big enough warning on the main page. The freakin third line. Warning: this wiki contains spoilers. If you read, it's your own fault. You should use your common sense not to read a synopsis of a game before you've played it. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 22:07, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

This Article Lacks An Out-of-Universe Perspective
Per se. There's elements of one there but all in all its assumption of the canonical plotline, its lack of spoiler warning (yes, some people don't go to the front page before going to an article), and it's overall tone fits an in-universe perspective more appropriately. While this is good and all for an article like Revan or Carth Onasi it's hardly befitting an article about a strictly out-of-universe topic, like the game.

"Out-of-Universe refers to the perspective in which an article is written; it is the opposite of in-universe. Something written from an out-of-universe (OOU) perspective is written from a real life point of view. It will refer, for example, to real life publications, actors, authors, events, and so on, acknowledging that its subject is fictional. In contrast, an in-universe perspective will strive for verisimilitude; that is, it will be written as though the author existed within the Star Wars universe. Articles about any in-universe things, such as characters, vehicles, terminology, or species, should always be written from an in universe perspective. If a section in the article is not, such as the listing of a character's published appearances or behind the scenes details, it should be tagged as such. In contrast, articles about books, movies, games, or other real-life Star Wars material should obviously be written from an out-of-universe perspective, but should still be noted as such. Basically, in-universe articles should never refer to Star Wars by name, or any other real life things such as publications, actors, or the like."

- Wookieepedia Manual of Style

My suggestion would be to remove references to Revan at the beginning of the article, much as one might not give away the twist of a story in a novel at the beginning of the page. It's not necessary per se that a spoiler warning be put off. A reader should know better than to read the whole story if they don't want a spoiler. But the article makes hardly any attempt at all to hide the twist from a reader and it is entirely possible that such a reader would want to access the article for more than reminding himself what the story was about - like who made the game, various trivia, etc, etc.

Second of all, all references to "he" or "she" should be removed. This is not because I do not support the canon storyline. Hardly. I think Lucas Licensing's decision was made responsibly and I hold no grudge to them. Indeed, I prefer the LSM storyline. That doesn't mean it should be in an out-of-universe perspective. It's more appropriate for an in-universe article, as the aforementioned character articles. But it is not appropriate here, even with a banner letting readers know it is only one option.

Finally, all other remnants of an in-universe perspective should be removed.

Part of the reason for this is that it's ridiculous to assume what is an isn't canonical. While some things, like the LSM identity, are not in question. However - how are we to know that canonically the main character completed the dueling circle challenge on Taris or that they refused to take up the Genoharadan challenge? Lightside ending means just that - light side ending. It's possible that the main character didn't just do every light sided action possible - after all, few characters in the EU have. So very little of what happens in KOTOR is on a definite, canonical basis except for the core elements of the storyline. Niirfa-sa 02:33, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

no trivia sehon.
Can some one make a trivia sechon?I have a lot of things i could add.-User:Backroom 6
 * Trivia sections are generally discouraged. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 22:13, 27 February 2008 (UTC)

but this is a triva web site?Alos,my idea is realy cool.I coment on the refrences to the die hard movies,like the time when your taped in the aline mind box and to get out you have to use a ridal from the 3th die hard movie.Backroom 6
 * This isn't a trivia web site. It's an encyclopedic website. Keep your so-called "cool ideas" in the trash. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 02:23, 13 March 2008 (UTC)

General Information
Would anyone object if we added the information such as timeline(when the game takes place), or era to the rest of the general information such as release date, developer, etc? bubbacold 04:59, 1 April 2008 (UTC)