Talk:Anakin Skywalker

The Clone Wars
How much of the info from The Clone Wars TV sereis needs to be added? Just major battles and life changing events? Matt Seay (talk) 03:58, July 31, 2014 (UTC) He does appear as a the star of many of the Episodes in the series. So there is a lot more from the series that needs to be added. Matt Seay (talk) 04:18, August 2, 2014 (UTC)
 * The Layout Guide for characters would be a good place to start.-- Richterbelmont10  R2 sig.jpg( come in R2! ) 04:16, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * I would say this page is quite lacking. I would try to implement far more material than what is currently on the page. AV-6R7 User talk:AV-6R7 05:10, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * User:Brandon Rhea is currently working on it in his sandbox. --Alientraveller (talk) 07:37, July 31, 2014 (UTC)
 * If Anankin stars in a Clone Wars episode and has an adventure, then what he did should be included in the article. If Anakin only has a couple of lines of dialogue in the entire episode, then that doesn't really need to be mentionned.-- Richterbelmont10  R2 sig.jpg( come in R2! ) 17:20, July 31, 2014 (UTC)

Adding Canon info
I hope I am adding Canon info correctly. If I am making mistakes I do not mean to. Let me know if I am doing anything wrong. Matt Seay (talk) 02:02, August 3, 2014 (UTC)

Force Spirit
Did Anakin learn to be a Force Spirit when he was a Jedi/Sith because it was never told that Anakin learned te Force Spirit. Durim Shehu (talk) 10:15, August 3, 2014 (UTC)Durim Shehu


 * Anakin's selfless sacrifice allowed Yoda and Obi-Wan to preserve his spirit in the Force, thus allowing him to become a Force spirit. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 10:21, August 3, 2014 (UTC)

Info not showing
I added more info from the Clone Wars film but it won't show up in the article. Matt Seay (talk) 13:53, August 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well now the Malevolence info is mixed with the movie info. Matt Seay (talk) 14:29, August 20, 2014 (UTC)

My Personal Mission
While it seems to be my personal mission to add info regarding the Clone Wars TV Series to the article, I could use a little help with it as well. In the words of Jar Jar, "Any help here would be hot." Matt Seay (talk) 22:47, August 21, 2014 (UTC)

Clone Wars info
Anything before Mortis and after needs to be added. 67.140.236.248 23:05, October 15, 2014 (UTC)
 * Work on the article is underway by me. As the tagging on the article states, please leave it alone as work is being done to improve it and get up to snuff. ProfessorTofty (talk) 16:58, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

Alright then. 67.140.230.78 18:43, October 16, 2014 (UTC)

The Citadel
I don't know what it is but the information on the Citadel seems to be messing up the article when I go to add it. Skywalker2255 (talk) 21:40, October 20, 2014 (UTC)
 * Well, without being on your end, I can't really say for sure why that would be happening. I would suggest two things. First, if you're using what's known as the "Visual Editor," kill it. It only causes problems. Second, you can create a sandbox like I have and try out any testing you want to do there until you're satisfied that it's going to work. ProfessorTofty (talk) 02:57, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

Alright cool. I have been using Visual Editor and it is a pain, I have used it on other wikis and it is just terrible sometimes. I will try to kill it and use source editor, it works a lot better. Skywalker2255 (talk) 22:12, October 22, 2014 (UTC)
 * I'm guessing you're copying and pasting from a word processor? If you're using the older rich text editor, copy/pasting doesn't always work due to formatting differences. The new VisualEditor (which will replace the old rich text editor) should allow that though. If it's not, please send a report to Special:Contact/bug. Thanks! - Brandon Rhea (talk) 22:41, October 22, 2014 (UTC)

I have been typing the info in Wordpad and copying it to the article, I used visual editor to do this and it went all screwy. Skywalker2255 (talk) 10:01, October 23, 2014 (UTC)

In need of more Clone Wars
It would seem, as I have stated before that this article needs more major info from the clone wars. Notably Season five and most of the other seasons that Anakin does anything of importance in. Skywalker2255 (talk) 14:04, December 10, 2014 (UTC)
 * Missing links, sub par writing. We have to fix this. AV-6R7 User talk:AV-6R7 14:14, December 10, 2014 (UTC)

I can understand that you would want to fix the info that is already there before adding new stuff. Skywalker2255 (talk) 14:20, December 10, 2014 (UTC)

In Need of Canon Comic Information
Star Wars 2 & Darth Vader 1 information lacking. Someone needs to update History and Powers & Abilities.

Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker
I was recently reading the Star Wars Databank and noticed that Anakin and Vader have two separate pages, illustrating the fundamental differences that exist between the two iterations of the character. I'm aware that this has been brought up in the past, but since the main canon encyclopedia considers Vader and Anakin to be separate enough to warrant individual pages, perhaps we could consider doing the same, especially considering that the Databank was used to warrant Palpatine's page being renamed "Darth Sidious". In addition, having two separate pages would be a great help in streamlining the information and providing a less clunky synopsis of the character's life and personality. -- Cyrannian  22:41, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * It was decided long ago by the community to have one page. It would take a huge consensus to change it, and that consensus isn't here. And from my point of view, despite how the Databank has chosen to do it (I'm unclear as to their reasoning for that), Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader are one character and so should have one page. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 22:48, February 16, 2015 (UTC)
 * Remember, Darth Vader redeemed himself and became Anakin Skywalker once again. No reason to change the name or make a separate page. --Marcuspearl (talk) 05:34, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

Changes for Darth Vader comics sections
I have recently been doing changes to the section on Darth Vader as covered by the comic series Star Wars: Darth Vader (Marvel) and I have found that someone has reversed my edits to reintroduce the old ones which practically follow the comics' conversations to the letter. I don't know if I am the only one but I find this form of editing particularly disgusting and not at all in line with any other articles in Canon articles on Wookieepedia. Besides, as a fan and having read the series myself, I am not afraid of spoilers but I do hate spoilers which spoil every little detail of a story like this; basically, these edits are like a transcript of Vader's conversations with the other characters. I hope I am not offending anyone by saying this, least of all the writer, but I intend to continue editing this page until they are considered presentable by my standards and the standards that are apparently upheld for Wookieepedia, that is a complete retelling of the story in a Wookieepedia article but not a litteral transcript of the comic. I hope I am not the only one who feels like this --Bad&#39;Wolf (talk) 09:11, March 26, 2015 (UTC)

Marvel Comics
Just a heads up, I'll be writing and adding images for Vader's page for both the Star Wars (Marvel 2015) series, and Star Wars: Darth Vader (Marvel) series. Calvin Schubert (talk) 04:50, March 17, 2015 (UTC)

We need more info on Darth Vader 3. Jedi Knight Fett (talk) 20:25, March 30, 2015 (UTC)


 * Yup, working on it now, and Tarkin information. :) Calvin Schubert (talk)  04:09, March 31, 2015 (UTC)

Main Photo
Is there a reason the current photo is used rather than a picture of the unmasked, redeemed Anakin Skywalker from RotJ? Thanks in advance :) 104.193.153.174 01:39, May 22, 2015 (UTC)
 * This is a question that's been debated a lot over the years here. Ultimately I believe this one was chosen because it's the most representative of Anakin Skywalker as a character. This is how most people know Anakin Skywalker, and it's also how he looked (facially, at least) when we last saw him - as a ghost, rather than as the disfigured old man. Canonically, this is the true face of Anakin Skywalker. That's why George Lucas added Hayden Christensen into the end of Return of the Jedi. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 01:45, May 22, 2015 (UTC)

New Quote
I think it'd be better if this page had a new main quote, one that reflects much better on Anakin. Would anyone happen to know of any quotes that are far more positive and supportive of Anakin in canon? Cevan (talk) 20:00, May 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * I agree. I went ahead and added the one that I had been using as the main quote in my stalled rewrite of the page. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 20:41, May 31, 2015 (UTC)
 * Thanks Brandon; looks great! Cevan (talk) 20:49, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Lords of the Sith Content?
I noticed a complete lack of information in regards to the novel Lords of the Sith, which had Vader featured in a major role. Can someone who has read the novel be able to add some of the events of it into this article? HanYOLO (talk) 00:42, June 22, 2015 (UTC)


 * I'm going to add said info after I finish with adding info from Tarkin. Writing from novels is very time consuming, and sometimes very difficult. Nivlacanator (talk)  03:47, June 22, 2015 (UTC)

Much appreciated. I completely understand that new novel info is a pain to write in, especially if you use audiobooks like I do. I look forward for the content. HanYOLO (talk) 22:50, June 22, 2015 (UTC)

Partnership With Tarkin
This really irritates me. There is an entire paragraph that starts off that section that does not even mention Vader. That paragraph is all about TARKIN. It does not belong in Vader's biography. If you claim it does, it should be greatly reduced as that describe's Tarkin's biography and not Vader's. Vader only enters the story when Tarkin arrives at the Court, that is where details affecting Vader's biography come into play. --Mr. Youtube (talk) 01:01, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Comic Info Getting Behind
I've noticed that the information in the comics has gotten far behind, as the last info seems to be when Boba Fett reports back to Vader. Also, Lords of the Sith content is missing.--Number1superdog (talk) 04:05, October 11, 2015 (UTC)

Mystery of Utapau
The mystery of Utapau section is incomplete. I have only seen the first of the story reels so I don't have all the information. Can someone help with this? Skywalker2255 (talk) 08:31, October 23, 2015 (UTC)

Images
This article could use more images. Skywalker2255 (talk) 09:29, October 24, 2015 (UTC) Yes, I am doing what i can to update this article with information but I can only do so much. Can you help with the Utapau section? Skywalker2255 (talk) 09:57, October 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * I think everyone is perfectly aware of that. However, there are relatively few really productive editors and, as you've seen, truckloads of new canon material keep getting released. --LelalMekha (talk) 09:55, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Dark Disciple
Can anyone add the info from Dark Disciple? I do not have that book. Skywalker2255 (talk) 12:42, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Legacy section
Should there be a section called Legacy, that explains about Kylo Ren carrying on Vader's work 30 years later? JediMaster1987 (talk) 19:37, October 24, 2015 (UTC)
 * I added the legacy section but I am wondering if it should be merged with the info of Aftermath section or is the Kylo Ren stuff far away enough to have it's own section? JediMaster1987 (talk) 18:25, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

Work in progress I take it
This article still seems a little rough around the edges. Is someone currently editing it? I would like to help but the article is locked so I can not do anything to it. JediMaster1987 (talk) 15:38, October 28, 2015 (UTC)

Relationships Section
I have noticed that this section has been removed from some articles. Should this one been removed as well? JediMaster1987 (talk) 04:19, October 30, 2015 (UTC)

Too much detail?
Is it just me or is there an overabundance of detail regarding the information from the new Marvel comics? Most Legends pages cover these events in broad strokes detail in order to preserve readability. Chronicling the minutiae of individual moments and conversations may not serve this page in the long run. --Rebelsofshield (talk) 06:35, November 13, 2015 (UTC)
 * Personally, I agree; however, according to the Layout Guide, "the level of detail in this section is up to the individual author." Cwedin (talk) 06:45, November 13, 2015 (UTC)

heres something for making a TL;DR http://pastebin.com/v7FAeW8P

Aerospherology (talk) 17:54, January 16, 2016 (UTC)

Infobox image
Shouldn't Anakin's appearance in Return of the Jedi be used? Given the fact that this wikia uses up to date images for virtually everyone else. --Mandon (talk) 00:44, March 5, 2016 (UTC)
 * Please see the discussion "Main Photo" earlier on this page. ProfessorTofty (talk) 00:46, March 5, 2016 (UTC)

Grammar Mistakes
Hey guys. I just wanted to say i was looking on the page and i noticed some grammar mistakes that i was trying to fix above the biography section. Here is the quote "Before he died, Vader learned he also had a daughter, Leia Organa. She subsequently married the smuggler Han Solo and had a son named Ben. Ben became obsessed with his grandather(?) and also turned to the dark side, becoming Kylo Ren, master of the Knights of Ren, and apprentice to Snoke, the Suprme(?) Leader of the Empire's successor, the First Order." And i tried changing it but i don't have the permission too as it's protected from editing i was just trying to bring this to the attention of the group so it can be resolved. By the way i'm new here so i don't know how everything works so.

Darth Plagueis
Before you read this, I know that there's no canon info about Darth Plagueis creating Anakin, but could there be something in the "Behind the Scenes" section or somewhere else stating that it's possible that Plagueis had created Anakin? Or is that too off-topic? --LoLuX12 (talk) 15:09, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * No, all material on Wookieepedia must be attributed to a reliable source. The Layout Guide outlines allowed Behind the scenes content. 1358  (Talk)  15:53, March 12, 2016 (UTC)
 * Okay, thanks --LoLuX12 (talk) 16:01, March 12, 2016 (UTC)

CW end
I personally would have really liked to see that the continue clone Wars to the point where Episode 3 Stars...so maybe that the last scene of CW would be that Anakin and Obi-Wan would be called because the chancellor has been kidnapped....its sad that they dont continue CW ):

what do you think ?

Obi Wan Knoblauch (talk) 06:39, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
 * Actually, talk pages are meant fr the discussion of the article itself (sections needing expansion, what pictures to use, etc.) If you wish to discuss the characters, TV series, films or other things that are part of the brand but not the wiki than your better off going to a forum. Ive heard frequent recemendations to the Jedi Council Forums. Overlordjeff (talk) 07:41, April 24, 2016 (UTC)
 * The final arc of The Clone Wars actually would have dealt with the Siege of Mandalore. Anakin and Obi-Wan would have been there, with Ahsoka and Rex, but then they would've left to go fight in the Battle of Coruscant. Although we presumably would not have seen the Battle of Coruscant, Ahsoka and Rex would have been fighting in the Siege of Mandalore at the same time as the Battle of Coruscant. You'll see hints of this in articles here, like the Anakin article, because a few bits of info from that have been acknowledged through Star Wars Rebels and other behind the scenes sources. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 16:16, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

Battle Pod
What exactly needs to be added from Battle Pod? I looked at the talk page and it seems its canonicalness is ambiguous at best.--D9328 (talk) 12:55, August 15, 2016 (UTC)d9328

I believe that information from the level "Vader's Revenge" should be added. Anything that doesn't contradict canon and fits in well. The Falcon is destroyed in it, but maybe the rest is canon? I have no idea. Someone should contact a Star Wars official. (Number1superdog (talk) 03:13, August 24, 2016 (UTC))
 * See Talk:Star Wars: Battle Pod. Corellian Premier Jedi symbol.svg Force will be with you always 12:37, August 24, 2016 (UTC)
 * In Lost Stars, Ciena Ree had to pick up Vader because his TIE was heavily damaged in the main battle. This, along with the fact that I can confirm that you do, in fact, destroy the Millennium Falcon while playing pretty much deconfirms the canonocity of the actual gameplay. As such, I am removing the update template.--D9328 (talk) 13:59, August 24, 2016 (UTC)d93328

Year of birth
In the Star Wars Rogue One Ultimate Visual Guide it has Vader's year of birth at 41 BBY, whereas Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know has it at 42 BBY according to the note on Anakin's page. Given that Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know has been wrong a few times, I feel the newest source (written by Pablo Hidalgo) should be used as the year of birth. Anyone disagree? --Lewisr (talk) 02:08, December 16, 2016 (UTC)
 * I say yeah. If that's been wrong before and Pablo has more credence, then we should go with it. It matches up with TPM, at least.

Image
The image of Anakin's page is not a good idea. If it was the image of Darth Vader it would do much better
 * Vader was "redeemed" and became Anakin before he died, so an image of Vader wouldn't make sense. Plus, a face is better than a helmet. -- Dr. Porter Resistance starbird.svg ( Talk | Contribs ) 23:34, December 20, 2016 (UTC)

Seperate Character Infoboxes for Vader and Anakin?
Do you think we have separate character infoboxes for Anakin and Vader, separated by different tabs, with a tab for Anakin Skywalker, and a tab for Darth Vader? I tried out a basic quick test and took some images, and I'm curious if you think, with a bit more refinement, could work for this page? I've linked both images to imgur mostly because I wasn't sure if the wiki would allow it as obviously they are not sourced and are not meant for a wiki page. Anyways, the link to both images are here: They are small samples that I did in a few rushed minutes, and could obviously use some work, such as the fact that the tabs are all the way to the left instead of to the right.
 * - Image1
 * - Image2

So should we do this? --Nerdman3000 (talk) 11:24, December 22, 2016 (UTC)


 * No, despite a name and costume change he is one character. Both infoboxes would contain the same information. Overlordjeff (talk) 20:26, December 22, 2016 (UTC)
 * Well what about at least providing two different image tabs, one showing an image of him as Anakin, and another an image of him as Vader? -- Nerdman3000 (talk) 19:12, December 23, 2016 (UTC)
 * I have to agree with Overlordjeff because Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader are definitely the same person. Also, you can argue that Darth Vader "became" Anakin at the end of his life, so you would have to create a third tab entitled "Anakin Skyalker: After Becoming Darth Vader". AdamSci-Fi (talk) 19:15, January 2, 2017 (UTC)

The Beginning of the Clone Wars
Pablo Hidalgo recent mentioned on Twitter that there is a 4-month gap between AOTC and The Clone Wars movie.70.75.229.71 19:01, January 13, 2017 (UTC)

Moving to Tatooine

 * Is there anything in canon that suggests the Skywalkers were moved to Tatooine like they did in Legends, rather than already living there? The article is written as if they were moved but I'm not aware of anything. Minomelo (talk) 06:50, January 29, 2017 (UTC)


 * In Episode I Anakin has this exchange with Padmé: ******** PADME : How long have you been here? ANAKIN : Since I was very little, three, I think. My Mom and I were sold to Gardulla the Hutt, but she lost us, betting on the Podraces ********* Anakin and Shmi presumably arrived at mos espa when he was 3. atlas_er (talk)
 * Material from the upcoming Backstories: Star Wars – Darth Vader: Sith Lord states that "It is uncertain where Anakin was born. Some records say Anakin was born on Tatooine; other sources says Anakin and his mother, Shmi Skywalker, arrived on the remote planet of Tatooine when Anakin was very young." As for what's said in the film, I guess he could have moved from somewhere else on Tatooine. ProfessorTofty (talk) 00:46, February 15, 2017 (UTC)

Removing Anakin as being the Chosen One
I would like to bring into question the validity of Anakin being the chosen one and fulfilling the prophecy. A prophecy is something that is foretold to happen only once. This prophecy of a chosen one to come and bring balance to the force was around for thousands of years, and not once before Anakin had there ever been a chosen one. It seems to be clear, to me at least, that when TFA takes place, the force is at an imbalance. So had Anakin been the chosen one and the prophecy (that had been around for thousands of years) was actually fulfilled, why has it not even lasted 30 years? I really think that anything in legends that states Anakin had fulfilled the prophecy should be removed, or at least moved to Legends material (as I think that this is only a matter of opinion).

I would like to expand on this thought to explain more as to why saying the prophecy was fulfilled by Anakin should be removed from this article, as well as others that say it. We don't know the exact origins of Anakin, and the same goes for Snoke. There is no canon material that I am aware of that would say that it wouldn't be possible for Snoke to actually be Plagueis, who survived the attack from Sidious just like Ventress did when Obi Wan thought she was dead. When Sidious told Anakin about Plagueis, he told the story as he knew it since it was him who attacked Plagueis. If Sidious only thought Plagueis was dead, then Plagueis could very well have been in hiding all this time waiting to rise again after Sidious's death. Now granted he would be a couple hundred years old at this point, which can be explained if his species was able to survive that long, or like other dark force users he had siphoned the life force from others to extend his own life. I say all of this because it also leaves the opportunity for Plagueis to have actually used the force to influence the midichlorians to create Anakin, and since he would have used the dark side to do this, this dark side would have been within Anakin all of this time, explaining why he was so easily persuaded to the dark side of the force. Plagueis would have done this in order to create a false prophet for the Jedi to believe that the prophecy was about to be fulfilled. So if it is possible for Plagueis to have created Anakin as a false prophet and the prophecy seems to have only been fulfilled for a matter of a few years, It really seems that the prophecy was never fulfilled and the chosen one has not yet come into existence (or at least not before The Battle of Endor). TonyPettengill (talk) 04:53, March 1, 2017 (UTC)TonyPettengill Like the others have said, what you're saying is interesting but it's ultimately speculation/a fan theory. If it's ever proven, we'll certainly add it to the article. But for now, canonical sources say that Anakin is the Chosen One. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 05:19, March 2, 2017 (UTC) At this point I'm not sure that another source&mdash;stating that Anakin restored balance to the Force&mdash;would convince you that Anakin Skywalker is the Chosen One according to canon. Nevertheless, please refer to Yoda's Databank biography gallery (last image). Yes, it is another image caption&mdash;that comes straight from the Databank which is a source of canonical information, as you acknowledged. As stated by Yoda's databank entry, "When Anakin died, he at last brought the Force back into balance." This is a canonical fact, just like the image caption in Luke's Databank entry. I strongly suggest that you accept it and move on. Again, this is not the place for your fan theory. Your input might be more welcome at the Star Wars Fanon Wiki. JRT2010 (talk) 17:16, March 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * All media indicates he was the choosen one, so maybe if new source indicates that he wasn't we could remove it --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 04:58, March 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * Let me ask you this. I was re-watching Episode 7 yet again, and Lor San Tekka said the follow, "This will begin to make things right. I've traveled too far, seen too much, to ignore the despair in the galaxy. With no Jedi there can be no balance in the force.".  Does this not indicate that the force is still at an imbalance?  Luke is in exile, which would mean there are no active Jedi at this point.  It would be like when Obi Wan and Yoda were in exile, there were no Jedi to defend the galaxy.  Prophecies are only meant to be fulfilled once, so if Anakin had fulfilled the prophecy then the force should still be in balance.  This should be a clear indication that it is not, which means it has yet to be fulfilled.  No whether they do something stupid and use the force ghost of Anakin to somehow fulfill the destiny, or do the more canon backed option of having Rey as the Chosen One, that is still up for debate.  However with that quote, and many other aspects just like it, it should discredit the claims of Anakin fulfilling the destiny at the end of RotJ to then to change the content of the site to read only that some believed him to be the Chosen One, which is still canonical.  This one change will not take away the possibility that they can come back and say that the prophecy was fulfilled, but it does leave the possibility of it being unfulfilled and follow more closely with Episode 7, and most likely 8 and 9.  (I ask that JRT2010 not reply anymore here because I would much rather hear from other people than them go on stating their opinion that I have heard a million times over now.)  TonyPettengill (talk) 07:22, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Putting aside the fact that George Lucas has said that Anakin Skywalker is the Chosen One, who fulfilled his destiny by destroying the Sith to restore balance to the Force, Luke Skywalker's Databank biography gallery states that Anakin "fulfilled his destiny by bringing balance to the Force." JRT2010 (talk) 05:02, March 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think all media indicates Anakin as being the chosen one. How is it not clear in The Force Awakens that there is an imbalance in the force?  How can the prophecy be fulfilled if there is still an imbalance?  Even when George Lucas made this statement, it was back when he owned the franchise and there were only 6 movies.  In his comment he also stated that to understand the story, you have to watch all 6 movies in order.  Well he doesn't own the franchise anymore and there are more movies.  The story has continued.  Not only do we need to take Episode 7 into account, but also the TV series The Clone Wars.  In Episodes 1-3, Yoda never really believed Anakin to be the chosen one.  Episode 5 Obi Wan (who knew about Leia being a Skywalker) stated Luke was their only hope, but Yoda stated that there was another.  Who is this other that Yoda knew of that Obi Wan didn't, if not the chosen one who is yet to come.  In the Clone Wars when Yoda was in training in the final episodes, the spirits stated that there was another Skywalker, all before Padme was pregnant.  Could "Skywalker" just have been used as a code word for "chosen one"?  Or how about during the 4 or 5 episodes when Anakin, Obi Wan, and Ahsoka were with the Father and 2 children that represented the Light and Dark sides of the force.  Anakin was only able to keep and restore balance by killing both, and the dark side was only killed by the Father sacrificing himself, taking out all of them.  Could this not be how the chosen one fulfills the prophecy, by killing both light and dark sides?  I also went and looked at Luke Skywalker's Databank from starwars.com and this is what it actually states, "The once reckless farmboy’s journey was complete: he was a mature Jedi, freedom was restored to the galaxy, and his compassion had saved his father."  It says freedom was restored, not balance in the force.  This freedom was freedom from the Empire.  It says nothing about the prophecy being fulfilled.  Even in Vader's databank it only states "Enraged at this denial, the Emperor shot Force lightning into Luke, torturing him. Vader rose, the good in him awakened by his son’s compassion, and destroyed the Emperor. While he had suffered fatal injuries from the Emperor’s lightning, Vader’s redeeming final act restored his consciousness to Anakin Skywalker, and he had one last moment with Luke before peacefully accepting his death." once again saying nothing about fulfilling the prophecy.  Anakin's is the same way, saying nothing about fulfilling the prophecy.  IF we were to look at Rey's databank, "On Takodana, Skywalker’s lightsaber called to Rey, who experienced a Force vision. She rejected this call to destiny", what is this destiny?  Could it maybe be her being the chosen one?  "Kylo took Rey to Starkiller Base, where he tried to understand her rapidly growing powers."  What other explanation could there be for who someone is for why they have rapidly growing powers in the force with zero training taking place, than them being the chosen one.  With other movies still to take place and them not wanting to just give away the ending, there wouldn't be any possibility of anyone saying in canon material directly "Anakin was never the chosen one", but I think there is enough out there to at least bring that into question and say that it is more of a matter of opinion that he is the chosen one than it being canon material. TonyPettengill (talk) 05:50, March 1, 2017 (UTC)TonyPettengill
 * Read the Databank biography gallery. The caption on Image #31 (left to right, the image depicting Anakin with his mask removed) states "Luke's love had brought about the return of Anakin Skywalker, who had finally fulfilled his destiny by bringing balance to the Force." JRT2010 (talk) 06:04, March 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * So 1 image caption is going to override content from multiple other references? The same image in the galleries for Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader say absolutely nothing Anakin fulfilling his destiny to bring balance to the force.  Even in http://www.starwars.com/news/the-playlist-the-balance-of-the-force it suggests that with Episode 7 there is an unbalance into whether the prophecy was fulfilled or not.  Just answer me this, is there an imbalance in the force in Episode 7?  If so, how does this not bring into question the prophecy being fulfilled?  TonyPettengill (talk) 12:13, March 1, 2017 (UTC)TonyPettengill
 * I also would like to make one other point in reference to the comment regarding George Lucas. At the time in which he made the comment about Anakin being the chosen one, he had no plan to continue making any more movies.  So at the time his comment was made in 2008 or 2009, the Star Wars canon story was complete, and therefore we could consider Anakin as being the chosen one.  But once he sold the rights and Disney continued on with the movies, the story is no longer complete and so we have to take the new stories into account.  There is no balance in the force, so therefore we can't conclude the prophecy was fulfilled.  To sight only 1 source as to saying Anakin fulfilled the prophecy, when there is many more sources contradicting that, that is just misleading.  Don't you think that if they were really going to say Anakin was the actual chosen one than it would clearly state that in his database?  TonyPettengill (talk) 18:19, March 1, 2017 (UTC)TonyPettengill
 * That image caption doesn't override anything. It only disproves your theory. The image caption comes from the Databank&mdash;the Databank is canonical source. Also, this is not the appropriate place to speculate on why the Force may have fallen back into an imbalanced state by Episode 7. You are welcome to take your theory to Discussions and talk about it there. If at some point in the future Lucasfilm decides to change this, then we would act accordingly. Until then, Anakin Skywalker is the Chosen One. JRT2010 (talk) 18:32, March 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * But that is exactly what you are saying, that the image is overriding all other canon material. That exact same image is used in a few other spots on that site, each with different captions and none of them saying he fulfilled the prophecy.  His entire database bio does not say he is the chosen one, but only states that some believed him to be the chosen one.  I have provided more canon material that backs part of my theory, and you are stating that one of the captions for that one image is more canonical than everything else.  Yes George Lucas had scripts, or outlines for scripts to continue the story, however he never released them as he decided he wasn't going to make them into movies because he didn't think he would be alive long enough to see all 3 be made.  So his comment about Anakin being the chosen one is considered non-canon because the story has continued, which means there leaves a huge possibility of the prophecy never being fulfilled making Anakin not the chosen one.  BTW, the imbalance in 7 does belong in this discussion as it directly addresses the validity of the claim of Anakin being the chosen one.  Had the movies stopped at 6, it would have been clear the force was in balance, but the movies continued.  There is clearly an imbalance, what caused it may not matter here, but the fact there is an imbalance states the prophecy was never fulfilled.  I am beginning to believe that you are not willing to fully look at this because you need to believe that Anakin was the chosen one, whether because you don't like Disney continuing the story or it tarnishes your personal view of Star Wars, I don't know.  Until 7 I had always believed Anakin to be the chosen one, but then I watched Episode 7 and The Clone Wars series, and I see it all differently.  Even the article in starwars.com questions Anakin as being the chosen one.  So if starwars.com says it is canon in the one image, why not anywhere else?  TonyPettengill (talk) 20:01, March 1, 2017 (UTC)TonyPettengill
 * Well you can think what you want, but I have to tell you that any attempt to "remove" Anakin as the Chosen One without citing a proper source&mdash;that specifically states he is not the Chosen One&mdash;will be reverted as speculation/unverified information. Have a good day. (By the way, I think the Disney purchase is possibly the best thing that's happened to Star Wars. It's Legends that doesn't interest me.) JRT2010 (talk) 20:07, March 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * Speaking of Legends, the Force was "out of balance" even in that continuity what with the constant wars and Jacen as a Sith and the One Sith and who knows what-not and yet Anakin was still considered the Chosen One in official sources, even without Lucas's input. ProfessorTofty (talk) 20:10, March 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * JRT2010, do you really think that anyone that is in charge of Star Wars canon material is going to come right out and state directly whether or not Anakin was the Chosen One? Doing so would give away too much information of what we can expect to happen in Episodes 8 and 9.  You are really making it obvious that you are not even willing to look at the information I have provided, and is really making me question whether I made a mistake of trying to be a part of this community.  Just answer this one simple question, if that caption is considered canon, why is that canon information not found on Anakin's database page or Vader's database pages?
 * ProfessorTofty, considering Legends is not canon material, whatever happens there doesn't effect the canon Star Wars universe. Before the release of The Force Awakens, the official canon story ends with Return of the Jedi, which means when it ended we were lead to believe the force was in balance.  However once TFA was released, the canon story continued, and when we see that the force is not in balance the we are lead to believe that the prophecy was never fulfilled.  There is literally no canon material that has someone from the Star Wars universe as to saying "Anakin brought balance to the force and fulfilled the prophecy".  A caption of an image from starwars.com is nothing more than someone's opinion of what is depicted, especially when the image appears at least 2 other times with completely different captions on the same site.  It is no different than the article on that site even questions whether the events of TFA unbalances what we believe we know about the prophecy.  There are dozens of canon references that brings into question the validity of Anakin being the Chosen One, but apparently I am the only one that can see that, as well as "the other hope" Yoda referred to in Episode V that Obi Wan didn't know about is actually the real Chosen One, Rey.  TonyPettengill (talk) 03:07, March 2, 2017 (UTC)TonyPettengill
 * What is it about people not being able to answer simple questions? I have only been shown a single source that says Anakin fulfilled the prophecy, not multiple sources.  I don't see how this one source is even very credible as it is only a caption to an image.  The rest of the content from the main source of this image does not verify Anakin as the Chosen One, so what other canonical sources out there are verifying the claim that he is the Chosen One?  And how is it ultimately only speculation on everything I have stated?  Is the force not unbalanced in The Force Awakens?  Between that and common knowledge that prophecies are something that foretells of an event that is going to happen only once.  With the force not in balance in The Force Awakens, that should automatically mean the prophecy could not have been fulfilled and that Anakin was not the Chosen One.  These are facts, not speculation.  Instead of just dismissing everything that I have said, I would appreciate you actually answering the questions I have provided.  It is not like I am stating that we should automatically change to have Rey be the Chosen One, even though my theory in it's entirety does state that.  I know that there is not enough canonical material to prove it, but certainly I have shown you enough canonical material to show that it is speculation and opinion that Anakin was the Chosen One and not canonical fact.  Just go to starwars.com/database and find something other than the 1 caption on an image that verifies Anakin as the Chosen One.  Everything else states that some only believed him to be.  TonyPettengill (talk) 11:52, March 2, 2017 (UTC)TonyPettengill
 * Maybe Anakin is no longer the chosen one, but until it is officially confirmed he is no longer the chosen one (and no, random articles on Star Wars.com is NOT official confirmation), we have literally nothing to back up the claim that he is no longer the chosen one, so we have to leave it as is. Besides, what Lucas defined as "balance" involved destroying the Sith (I personally think that's stupid, since a messianic figure is supposed to destroy evil and make something pure good, NOT balance both good and evil, but I'm not the creator or the guy in charge, so I'll have to defer to it), and technically, the Sith are still dead come Episode VII. In other words, what you say is still speculation just as much as our claiming that he is still the chosen one is speculation. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 12:55, March 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * There is even more speculation in your comment. What canonical evidence is there that all Sith are dead?  Why would Kylo Ren not be considered a Sith?  Straight from the database regarding Sith "An ancient order of Force-wielders devoted to the dark side, the Sith practice hate, deception, and greed. Notable for their red-bladed lightsabers, black dress, and use of their aggressive feelings, the Sith look to amass power at all costs."  Just in the 1 scene of Kylo talking to Vader's helmet in VII we see the majority of this here.  Kylo seeks to master the powers of the dark side, black dress, red light saber, willing to do anything to continue Vader's work by killing all the Jedi.  At this point they can't flat out state "Kylo is Sith" because it would take away too much from future movies.  It would have been like in Episode IV Owen telling Luke that Vader is his father.  It would have taken away other key moments from other films.  I find it disturbing that you will admit that it is even speculation to say Anakin is the Chosen One but you are holding it as canonical fact on the site when there really isn't enough info out there to back the claim.  The only caonical fact regarding Anakin and the Chosen One is that some believed him to be the Chosen One.  Anything beyond that is only speculation.  There is too much information today that at least suggests to us he isn't the Chosen One to try to make it a fact he is.  It may or may not be revealed in December about Rey being the Chosen One, or it could be 3 years from now in IX, but is it really that much to say that the information on this site should match that with information from other canonical sites that state others believed him to be the Chosen One?  Everything we knew changed with VII, imcluding the meaning of the prophecy.  To say your speculation should be held as fact only shows your areogance and pettiness on needing to be right.  TonyPettengill (talk) 13:56, March 2, 2017 (UTC)TonyPettengill
 * For starters, it was stated as early as Episode I that the Sith only operate as two: A master and an apprentice. Palpatine is dead, and so is Vader, and even in Canon, there have been multiple Dark Side factions besides the Sith (for example, the Nightsister/Nightbrother Clans, who ARE canon and not just legends due to their being in The Clone Wars, one of the few non-movies to actually be both.). Even in Episode VII, Maz made it pretty clear that the Sith were very much dead and that the Dark Side takes on multiple forms. Either way, let's wait until at the very least Episode VIII is released, if not Episode IX, before we do ANYTHING with Anakin regarding his status as the chosen one. Also, it would be two years from now, since Episode IX is set to be released in 2019, not 2020. And for the record, I tried creating an article based on what another article on that site said, and the mods rejected it because it was just speculation and not canonical despite it coming from the official site. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 14:12, March 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * So the rule of 2 is your answer? So does that make The Clone Wars TV series non-canon?  During the majority of the time there was Sidious, Dooku, and Ventress.  Darth Maul came back and had his own apprentice, which then would make 5 at one point in time.  So just. Evause there was the rule of 2, that doesn't mean it was always followed.  Before the rule of 2 there were many Sith as well.  So there goes that theory.  As far as Maz, I am looking for a clip to verify that, as I thought she only stated she knew of the force and had watched the Empire fall.  Even then, go back to Episode I in the Jedi temple.  The Jedi believed that the Sith were extinct for over 1,000 years and that they wouldn't be able to come back without anyone knowing.  So are you saying that Maz knows more about the force than even Yoda?  Finally 3 years from now would be 3 months after the release of IX. 2 years would be 9 months short of the release.  Articles on starwars.com may not be canonical, but the bios in the databanks are.  Nothing in the bio of Anakin or Vader say anything about Anakin actually being the Chosen One, only that some thought he was.  I don't see why there should be any question of having this changed to state only that he was thought to be the Chosen One as there is no clear canon material stating otherwise one way or another. TonyPettengill (talk) 16:45, March 2, 2017 (UTC)TonyPettengill
 * Ventress doesn't really qualify as a Sith by the late Clone Wars, especially after Sidious forced Dooku to attempt to kill her (and besides, she's dead now thanks to the events of Dark Disciple). And as far as Maul, Sidious put an end to that, and then forced him to become a pawn before he went his own way. And considering Sidious had Dooku killed specifically to take on Anakin as an apprentice, and later attempted something similar in ROTJ, it's pretty clear that, while not ALWAYS followed, it certainly stood to reason that it was followed a large amount of the time. As far as Maz, it was during the events at Takodana. I believe it was either when meeting with Han Solo, Finn, Chewbacca, and Rey, or when Rey experienced that vision of the Force when touching Luke/Anakin's old Lightsaber. She said that the Dark Side takes on many forms, and listed in order that first it came with the Sith, then with the Empire, and now with the First Order. And we don't have any direct confirmation against him being the Chosen One either, so until either Episode VIII or Episode IX confirms he is not, DIRECTLY confirms it at that, we're keeping him as the Chosen One. Better to be safe than sorry, especially if we prematurely remove it only to discover that, no, Anakin is still very much the Chosen One. And considering The Force Awakens took place 30 years after Return of the Jedi, it would actually be pretty stupid to assume the Sith were all killed and then have them come back by that time. At least with The Phantom Menace, the Sith had been believed to be dead for millennia. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 17:04, March 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * It doesn't matter in the late Clone Wars what some consider her status to be. During the beginning of the series, she was Dooku's apprentice while he was Sidious's apprentice.  Sidious didn't have Dooku kill specifically to take Anakin as an apprentice.  He used Dooku as a pawn at this point to turn Anakin towards the dark side, to make him kill someone in cold blood, which is against the Jedi Code.  In the end it was to have Anakin as his apprentice, but ultimately it was to keep pushing him closer to the dark side.  If you think about it, technically Anakin was the apprentice of not just Obi Wan but Palpatine/Sidious as well.  As Palpatine, Sidious was mentoring Anakin, and even though Anakin was not Sith yet, it could be possible to view him as Sidious's apprentice, as well as Dooku.  (Yes I know that this is only a theory and not supported by canon material, but it does bring in a possibility of how much of the Sith Order Sidious followed.)  Sidious used are killed anyone he was involved with, and quite possibly would have killed Vader himself if the opportunity came.  The whole rule of 2 was put into place because there use to be multiple Sith and they were killing each other to try to gain more power.  Sidious killed (or at least attempted to kill in my full theory) his master Plagueis, and every apprentice he had since then he was only using to get something.  Vader could have just been used to complete the construction of the Death Star, and once full control of the galaxy was obtained, including the destruction of the Alliance, then he probably would have killed Vader to be the ultimate power in the universe.  That is the ultimate goal of the Sith anyways. But then the Death Star was destroyed and Luke is revealed, so he couldn't kill Vader, although later tried to get Luke to do it and then probably do the same thing to him.  Granted this may have gone off topic, but it really shows Sidious didn't really follow the Sith Order all that much and so the rule of 2 most likely meant nothing to him.  Here is the exact quote from Maz in Episode VII.  "The only fight, against the dark side.  Through the ages I've seen evil take many forms.  The Sith.  The Empire.  Today it is the First Order.  Their shadow spreading across the galaxy.  We must face them, fight them, all of us."  So no she didn't confirm that all the Sith were dead, otherwise they would have been dead by the end of Episode III.  George Lucas is quoted in saying that the ultimate story with the Star Wars story is the battle between good and evil.  Not a battle between Jedi and Sith or Empire and Alliance.  Take this information and plug it into the prophecy, and in order for the prophecy to be fulfilled, the evil would need to be destroyed to bring balance to the force.  Each one of the evils Maz mentioned has used the dark side of the force, so the removal of all who use the dark side would be required.  Take from this what you will, but Maz did not confirm that all Sith had been destroyed, period.  And if there happened to be one in hiding for roughly 50 years, would it not be a surprise to Luke?  (Once again only a theory in Plagueis being Snoke and rising back into power with the First Order, but still possible.  Only time will tell.)  Even with all my theories and speculation, it doesn't change that there is no direct confirmation that Anakin is the Chosen One, and 2 captions on 2 images that has different captions on 3 other pages on the same site does not change that.  There is nothing on starwars,com that confirms what on the site is canon and what is fan fiction.  To state that the captions must be canon because it is on the site, then why not all the articles on the site as well?  By simply changing it to say on this site to "some believed Anakin to be the Chosen One to bring balance to the force" that doesn't mean it will be wrong in December of 2019 if they state that the force had been in balance since the death of Sidious and Vader.  It just means it can be added to say something like (speculation of what could happen) "Upon his last moments alive, Luke told Rey that he knew his father was the one in the prophecy and brought balance to the force just before he died.".  It wouldn't change anything else on the site.  However by leaving it as it is, either this December or in 2019 a retraction would need to be posted stating something along the lines of "Although widely believed that Anakin was the Chosen One and had brought balance to the force just before he died, the origins of Snoke revealed that the force was still unbalanced until Rey fulfilled her destiny as the Chosen One sacrificing herself to kill Snoke, ending the lives of the last 2 force users in the galaxy.".  But since you guys don't want to improve the quality of this site and would rather keep non-canonical material on the site and say it is proven fact (only to keep your personal visions of what you believe took place) I don't see much reason to be a part of this community.  And since no comments are allowed to be deleted, when the truth is revealed and follows much of what I have stated, it will be interesting to see how you guys admit to being wrong. TonyPettengill (talk) 05:39, March 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * So with the whole prophecy aspect, you would rather be proven wrong later than have printed what is known to be factual? That doesn't make sense.  As far as the Sith goes, what if there has been one still alive this entire time?  Dooku searched for a new apprentice after he thought Ventress was dead, so why couldn't the same have happened when Sidious thought he killed Plageuis?  Plageuis could have protected himself by going into a Sith trance, just like Ventress did, gone into hidding for 50-60 years, then came back after Sidious was killed and rose back to power to finish what he started as Snoke.  Yes this is only a theory, but a theory that uses canon material.  It does leave the possibility of a Sith still alive come TWA, and everyone only thought they were dead, like before TPM.  I am not saying any of that needs to be on this site as canon material, since there isn't enough canon material to back it up.  But just like that theory, there isn't enough canon material to back up or fully deny the claim of Anakin being the Chosen One.  If there isn't enough canon material to back it up, then why depict it as fact when you honestly don't know that it is?  So far your only reason for not changing it also goes against it being there in the first place.  If you can't have all information on this site in the canon section be actually proven by other canon material, then this entire site should be considered nothing more than pure fan fiction/non-canon material.  TonyPettengill (talk) 19:30, March 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * First of all, Ventress was killed off for real in Dark Disciple, so we definitely can't use the whole Sith trance there. Second of all, TFA took place 30 years after Return of the Jedi, which makes Luke and the other Jedi seem grossly incompetent if the Sith reemerged by that point (remember, the Sith were believed to be dead for millennia in The Phantom Menace, so them coming back to the shock of the Jedi is plausible), so we have plenty of reasons to assume that Kylo Ren is not a Sith. Besides, Maz when listing the forms the Dark Side took on, specifically listed the Sith, the Empire, and the First Order as being separate entities that were part of the Dark Side. By adding stuff in like the stuff you're proposing, you are making it a fan fiction site. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 19:49, March 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * Wasn't Ventress's death in Dark Disciple after she was thought to be dead by the hands of Obi Wan during the Clone Wars? That is the part in which she had used the Sith trance and is backed by starwars.com as canonical. So yes the Sith trance can still be used.  With Luke, Yoda, Obi Wan, and everyone else only believe that Sidious and Vader were the last 2 Sith, then they would believe that all the Sith are then destroyed, but yet if it is revealed that Snoke is actually a Sith that has been in hiding since before TPM then it would come as a surprise to them now as it did in TPM without making them incompetent.  If each one of those are seperate entities, then the force should have been considered in balance after III with the rise of the Empire, not Episode VI.  The only thing I have actually proposed that I say needs to happen is instead of stating Anakin as the Chosen One ad fact, it should be changed to be that only some believed him to be the Chosen One.  That is what it states on his bio on the Star Wars database. That info is canonical, and right now I am contacting starwars.com to verify how canonical the captions actually are.  But what I have suggested as actual change is not just something that is fan fiction, it is canonical. TonyPettengill (talk) 20:58, March 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * I'd suggest moving on from this conversation now. At this point it's moving out of the bounds of what talk pages are for (discussing the page, not the subject). The page isn't going to change so there's no need to continue this conversation. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 19:59, March 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * How can a discussion on the page itself and something that should be changed on it take place without also discussing the topic as verification into why it should be changed. Leaving the page as is (in stating Anakin is the chosen one as fact) turns the info into non-canonical.  2 captions on pages that are not of Anakin himself don't mean anything.  If his bio or even one of the images on his page was to specifically state he is the Chosen One, then at this point there wouldn't be any debate.  But the fact that the same images that are being used for this supposed claim have different captions on Anakin's database bio that say nothing about him being the Chosen One, then it brings into question the validity of the captions themselves and how canonical they are.  It really is that simple. TonyPettengill (talk) 20:58, March 2, 2017 (UTC)
 * As many users stated, canon sources indicate that. Its an interesting theory, but this wiki doesnt care for theories. If in the future they indicate Anakin wasnt the choosen one, well somone will edit that. Until that's it. --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 04:51, March 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * 2 captions on images on pages that don't belong to Anakin or Vader should not be considered credible canonical sources, especially when the same images appear in the galleries of Anakin and Vader and they have different captions that say nothing about him fulfilling the prophecy. If this is actually canonical and true, they why is it not in the bio of Anakin or Vader that he fulfilled the prophecy?  Why only leave this information in captions of images, which would be seen by maybe 5% of the people who are looking for canonical sources on this? TonyPettengill (talk) 05:52, March 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * I would like to add this. I received an e-mail from starwars.com.  They were able to verify exactly what I thought, which is the captions of images on their page cannot be confirmed as canonical material.  So to use those captions to say that Anakin was the Chosen One is using non-verified sources for information.  The only canonical statement that involves Anakin and the prophecy is "some believed him to be the Chosen One.", that is it.  Leaving the information on this site stating that he is the Chosen One is using unverified sources and should be considered only theory. TonyPettengill (talk) 22:51, March 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * As you said on your talk page, they said and I quote, "They can not directly state whether or not the captions are considered canon." It seems like they dodged your question by not giving you a direct yes or no answer. In which case your email doesn't prove anything. The Databank is canon and the images are part of the Databank. Ergo, we treat its information as canon unless Lucasfilm specifically states otherwise or retcons the information at a later date. JRT2010 (talk) 23:03, March 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * By not giving a direct "yes" or "no" answer they are confirming that the captions on the site, even the ones in the databank, are NON-CONFIRMED CANON MATERIAL, meaning it cannot be verified as canon material and therefore should not be used as confirmed canon material. There are other pages besides the databank on starwars.com that would have canonical material on it, but that doesn't mean that all the information on all those pages are canon.  Therefore you cannot verify your source of captions on the images as canon, especially when the same images are used on the databank pages for Anakin and Darth Vader and they have completely different captions that say NOTHING about him being the Chosen One.  It seems like that I am the only one using verified sources for what the information should be saying on this site, which means you are going directly against everything you said should be on this site by using unverified sources.  I have no problem with forwarding the e-mail on to anyone to let them see that the captions cannot be considered as verified canonical sources.  TonyPettengill (talk) 23:18, March 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * If all you have is an email in which they essentially say that they cannot answer your question one way or the other, then there is no point in keeping this discussion going. It's not enough to override the sources that directly refer to Anakin as having fulfilled his destiny by bringing the Force into balance. JRT2010 (talk) 23:21, March 4, 2017 (UTC)
 * What I have is verified information that the content on those images cannot be considered verified canonical material, which is what you have said is required to be used on this site. TonyPettengill (talk) 23:25, March 4, 2017 (UTC)

7.3 Warning- Admins using unconfirmed sources and calling them canon.
Here is the entire comversation I have had with them. They won't make it where my e-mail from starwars.com can be seen by the public because they only want their own theories posted and not canonical facts. I am sure that after this I will be getting banned, but hopefully others will see this and be willing to stand against the admins for siting unconfirmed sources so they can post their own theories. "

If any of you have been paying attention the last couple days, I have been trying to reason with JRT2010 in what is considered actual canon and not just a theory. This discussion involves the validity of Anakin Skywalker being considered the Chosen One in the prophecy. Now granted I have my own theory as to who the Chosen One is, and that is because there is no confirmed canonical source as to state that it is Anakin. So far the sources JRT2010 have given me are 2 captions on images from starwars.com, both of which are not on Anakin Skywalker's databank page, and a children's book with every description stating that even though the book follows the movie it does contain the author's own perspective of what took place. I have recently received an e-mail, that I am more than happy to share with everyone, from a representative of starwars.com that states they cannot confirm nor deny whether the captions on the images are considered canonical. This should be more than enough to discredit those captions as it states the canonicity of the captions cannont be verified. As I stated about the children's book Star Wars Return of the Jedi: Beware of the Dark Side, it contains opinions from the author of what took place, which means it also cannot be verified as a canon source. All confirmed canon sources, including the databank page for Anakin Skywalker on starwars.com states, "Anakin Skywalker had the potential to become one of the most powerful Jedi ever, and was believed by some to be the prophesied Chosen One who would bring balance to the Force.". This doesn't confirm nor deny the possibility that Anakin was the Chosen One, but this statement alone is the only thing that is considered canon. I feel that if you want to keep information on this site as canonical as possible, then any information on this site regarding Anakin Skywalker and the prophecy should state what it says on the databank page, and nothing more. I have tried to upload an image of the e-mail for people to be able to view it, but apparently I don't have the proper permissions to do so. I do believe if you were to view it, you would see it as a valid source confirming that the captions cannot be used as canonical sources. I wouldn't have any problems forwarding the e-mail directly to any of you as well so you can verify the authenticity of it as well, as I know things like that can be doctored. I am not asking for my own theory to be posted on this site, but only correct content that is not confirmed by valid sources. TonyPettengill (talk) 03:17, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * I would like to give you one other piece of evidence that should be enough evidence to settle this once and for all. When a prophecy is actually fulfilled, it is suppose to last forever and not need to be fulfilled yet again.  In the case of the Star Wars prophecy, it had been around for thousands of years.  In that time period, there was not one time that a Chosen One emerged to fulfill it.  However if we are meant to believe that Anakin fulfilled the prophecy, then why is there still an imbalance in the force?  How do I know that there is an imbalance?  Well Episode 7 tells us there is.  Luke has vanished, which means there are no Jedi.  Lor San Tekka stated to Poe "This will begin to make things right.  I've traveled too far, seen too much, to ignore the despair in the galaxy.  With no Jedi there can be no balance in the force.".  This is said right after handing Poe a piece of the map that leads to Luke Skywalker's whereabouts.  There is clearly an imbalance in the force, which means the prophecy was never fulfilled.  So besides removing content that is coming from unverified supposed canon sources, this here should be definitive enough in saying Anakin was not the Chosen One, or at the very least that the prophecy has not yet been fulfilled.  It would be stupid if they did this, but I guess there is always a chance they could bring Anakin back as a force ghost and somehow fulfill the prophecy that way, but I highly doubt that.  TonyPettengill (talk) 06:02, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * We've known since 2005 that Anakin is the Chosen One. Until Lucasfilm says otherwise, we're not going to change that. Please move on from this needless debate. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 16:00, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * In 2005 the story was considered complete and therefore he could have been considered the Chosen One. However, today, the story is not over, there is an imbalance in the force, which means the prophecy was not fulfilled.  Denying this does not make it false.  It just means your theory of what took place is no longer canon.  It is a well known fact that George Lucas was done making the films, and even in 2009 had no intent of making 7-9, which would make Anakin the Chosen One at that point.  When he made the decision to sell the rights for Star Wars, he decided to start writting a script for 7 in order to increase the value to make more money.  Now that 7 is released and they clearly state at the beginning that there is an imbalance in the force, Anakin can no longer be called the Chosen One.  By sayig he is is using unconfirmed sources and stating it as canon, when it is not.  This is not a pointless debate, as it directly clashes with the continuation of actual canon story after 6.  The story is not over, and will not be over until the prophecy is fulfilled.  Saying otherwiseis only spreading your own theories/fan fiction.  TonyPettengill (talk) 17:06, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * You're drawing conclusions that don't fit the facts. As per exactly what we were told about the "Chosen One" throughout the prequel era, he destroyed the Sith and brought balance to the Force. Nowhere was it ever stated that the Force would be in balance forevermore afterward. If I say "I will buy a car," do so, and then sell it 5 years later, that doesn't invalidate the fulfillment of the original statement. I did buy a car, exactly as I said. I never said I would keep that car in perpetuity. &mdash; DigiFluid(Whine here) 17:22, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Those who know anything about prophecies knows that they are only fulfilled once. Give me any prophecy that was fulfilled more than once.  In fact give me an actual proven canonical source of what the prophecy actually states.  I would bet that the prophecy doesn't mention Sith specifically.  In fact Yoda even stated thatthe prophecy could have been misinterpreted.  So to state that you know everything about the prophecy based off the prequels when the original text isn't ever provided, then your comment is nothing more than theory as well.  It would also make more sense for the prophecy to only be fulfilled once.  For thousands of years that the prophecy was around, not once before the prequels was there ever a Chosen One.  So why now does the prophecy need to be fulfilled twice in the matter of a few years, if Anakin was the Chosen One?  Also it says Chosen One not Chosen Few, meanig it will be one to do it, not more than one.  BTW, your car scenario doesn't fit.  It isn't a prophecy to say that you will buy a car.  A prophecy also indicates a prediction with it, like saying you will buy a car and it will be the only car you ever need.  There a predicition is made that you will need only the one car.  If you buy one car and then a few years later buy another, then that first car didn't fulfill the prophecy/prediction of being the only car you ever need.  It isn't a theory that a prophecy is something that will last forever once it is fulfilled, it is a common fact most people know.  But the problem here is not whether we believe or don't believe the prophecy was fulfilled, the problem is you are basing your conclusion and information on this site on unconfirmed canonical material.  The only statement that is canonical fact is that some believed him to be the Chosen One.  I have verification that the captions on the images of starwars.com are unconfirmed canonical statements.  The books also are described as having interpretations from the authors of what took place, which means they contain theories.  It is canonical fact that in 7 there is an imbalance in the force, which means that there is no confirmed canonical evidence that the prophecy was ever fulfilled.  All I am asking is for you to use confirmed canonical sources, and thus far you are not on this subject.  Even in the original script it says nothing about the force being in balance at the end of 6.  So instead of just trying to state I am wrong, provide a valid source, otherwise all you are doing is stating your own theories.  TonyPettengill (talk) 19:41, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Multiple users have responded to your posts and provided you with several sources, all whom are considered canonical per our Canon policy, that confirm Anakin Skywalker is the Chosen One. If you can't accept this, I strongly suggest you take your opinions, which are speculation at this point, elsewhere instead of continuing this debate. If you choose not to heed this warning, the administration may sanction you for disruption of the site.  Imperators II (Talk) 10:26, March 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * I have a source stating that 2 of the sources you are using cannot be confirmed as canonical sources, but you people will not allow me to share it with you. And if you guys had half a brain to actually read the descriptions of the children books that you are claiming as canonical sources, when it states that the books contain the author's interpretation of what happened, then you would come to the same conclusion about those books that I have, that they are using speculation and contain the theories of the authors.  Your sources are not confirmed canonical sources, PERIOD.  You guys are just too afraid of actually reading the email I received from starwars.com to see that they said those captions cannot be confirmed as canon.  No other site, only your own, consideres those "sources" as canon.  At this point I don't give a fuck if you guys decide to ban my account.  All of you are acting like little fucking cry babies because you can't handle the proven fact that there is absolutely no proven canonical material that states Anakin brought balance to the force.  I have proven your sources to be unconfirmed, but you assholes can't handle it.  The only canonical fact is that some believed him to be the Chosen One.  That is it.  That is what the site should be changed to say, otherwise all you are doing is stating your own theories and trying to claim them as fact.  When they come out and state that Rey is the Chosen One, and it proves your theory wrong, then what?  You would have to make changes that would cause contradictions to the site.  If you changed the info to what i have been fucking telling you to change it to, then you won't have to change it in the future, but will only have to add information.  After the release of 7, the end to the story no longer existed, which means there was no balance to the force, and therefore the prophecy was never fulfilled.  This is on every canonical source that references the prophecy with episode 7.  If Anakin was the Chosen One, something on his databank page should be able to confirm that, but nothing on his page does.  Why is that?  Maybe because the information on the bio is what is considered canon and the captions are only descriptions based off of individuals interpretations/theories of what took place.  But you are too fucking scared to admit that because then it means having to admit that Anakin never brought balance to the force and everything you thought you knew about Star Wars is wrong.  If you guys weren't afraid, you would give me a way to share the e-mail with you that proves your sources are unconfirmed.  But instead you have to hide from the truth because it scares you. TonyPettengill (talk) 12:52, March 6, 2017 (UTC)"TonyPettengill (talk) 13:14, March 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * Look, I may not be an admin, but let me ask this simple question: if you're so adamant to show us that email, why don't you just upload it to any of a dozen image hosting websites and show it once and for all? For that matter, how exactly did you get in contact with that representative of SW.com? I cannot believe that statement until proven, and it's very easy to prove. You don't need the right to upload pics on Wookieepedia for that. Use xooimage or something, and then we'll talk. -- Lelal Mekha  The Uprising crest.png(Audience Room) 12:59, March 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * Well first off it should be allowed to be posted here so the entire community haa a better opportunity to view it. But if I need to use an external site because the admins are too afraid to see it, I will.  Most likely I am going to get banned before I can get back to my computer 9 hours from now, but if not I will.  And it really isn't that hard to get a representative to contact you, I just filled out a form on their site for that.TonyPettengill (talk) 13:14, March 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * You know, you COULD just upload the email to this site directly as a screencapture. That's what I did with a few email correspondences between myself and some Star Wars people and Ansel Hsiao. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:20, March 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * I have tried, but I get the notification that is described by Lelal. So, no, up to this point I couldn't upload the image as a screencapture.TonyPettengill (talk) 13:48, March 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * Now you're being paranoid. You can't upload pictures not because the admins don't want you to, that's just because you don't meet the three requirements everyone here has to meet before they can upload files: you must have: (1) an account that is at least four days old; (2) at least fifty edits on Wookieepedia; and (3) a confirmed email address in your preferences. -- Lelal Mekha  The Uprising crest.png(Audience Room) 13:23, March 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * I do believe the notification does say something about being able to contact the admins to get permission as well. This also wouldn't prevent them from allowing me to forward the email to them directly and they could verify the legitamacy of the e-mail that way.  It is not a matter of being paranoid.  If they were willing to look at the email that states the caltions of inages on the starwars.com site cannot be confirmed as canon, they would find a way to allow that to happen.TonyPettengill (talk) 13:48, March 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * Yeah, though I'll admit that the email recognition system on the Wikia has been a bit wonky considering a few times they inexpicably drop sending emails regarding new edits to your email server, and once, as has been the case here, even when I actually did give a confirmed email to the email recognition system, it still didn't recognize it, meaning I had to wait before I could start uploading any images before I asked a solution for the problem. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:34, March 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * I think thsi has gone to far, we haven't seen any of your evidence and all of the other users agree that until another sources says that Anakin is not the choosen one, Anakin will remain as it is. This is a theory of yours and the wiki doesnt accepts theories. I'm sorry --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 15:14, March 6, 2017 (UTC)