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Needs NPOV
This article is rife with statements in need of an NPOV cleansing. I'm unfamiliar with most of the early Jedi/Sith topics, so someone else with more appropriate credentials should take a look at it. --SparqMan 23:03, 16 May 2005 (UTC)

Bad picture?
The cartooned picture under personality and traits is not really Shan. It is in fact the Jedi you see on the Endar Spire when you are with Trask. She is then killed by an explosion from the ship. You can also tell because Bastila uses a double bladed lightsaber. 75.157.11.107 02:48, 30 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Nah, it's definitely Bastila, she's the only one who wears that outfit, and since that's taken from the cover of the Official Strategy Guide, it wouldn't make sense for it to be anyone but Bastila. 23:31, 30 April 2009 (UTC)
 * File:Endar Spire Duel.jpg. Per JethLordMaster. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie  the truth  ) 23:34, 30 April 2009 (UTC)

It also said that bastilla used a single hilt until afyer they captured revan, then she switched to a double blade lightsaber

Better quote
One of: "Bastila? I have heard of her. They say she has already mastered the art of Battle Meditation, remarkable in one so young. Though I have heard she has a foolish pride in her own talents."

- Belaya

"Bastila? The young Jedi holds great promise... and great danger."

- Vrook Lamar

"Bastila was strong, but she was always impatient and headstrong. Malak preyed upon her weaknesses."

- Jolee Bindo

"I'm Bastila Shan, a member of the Jedi Order and a fleet commander for the Republic. Nobody 'owns' me!"

- Bastila Shan

The choice is up to you. - Sikon [ Talk ] 15:28, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I like the last one. But then, I think Jolee's is more appropriate. --Master Starkeiller 21:36, 25 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Where does she say that last one?
 * I don't know, but it's in dialog.tlk. Maybe when Bastila is freed on Taris and the player treats her as a slave? - Sikon [ Talk ] 14:31, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you free her and if you say she ows you, she gives that answer. --Master Starkeiller 22:50, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I say Vrook's personally, and btw, I think having two quotes on the front is unnecessary and makes it look cluttered --LandoSystem1138 01:15, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * What was that quote from Carth about Bastila and why she's so important to the Republic? That seems more appropriate. - lalala_la
 * I vote for Vrook. Starwarsrulez 02:54, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I vote for Belaya! Lord Hammu
 * I vote for the one! Darthan the destroyer 21:01, 6 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Vrook's is best. Israi 17:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Vrook's, if you take away him replying "Bastila." Ya know what I mean?End0 da Baker 19:52, 26 February 2009 (UTC) Endo da Baker

Birth date?
Where the heck does Bastila's birth date come from? As far as I know, it is not mentioned in any source. As such, it is pure conjecture and should be removed both from this article and the timeline.--Sentry 00:42, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Bastilashanweb 19:41, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Its not sepcified anywhere, however In my primagames manual, its says "Bastila gifted at a young age fought with Revan..at the age of 18." or something like that. I asked at the Bioware forums a designer confirmed she is 18 soon to be 19. I remember a line in KOTOR when Mission says "Your not much older than me Miss High an Mighty" and since Mission is 14, fir this statement to speak truth Bastila would have to be around 18/19 not 26, right?

Bastilashanweb 20:11, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Where exactly does it state it? I have the Prima Games KotOR guide, and it doesn't say anything about Bastila's age - Kwenn 19:48, 25 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Remember that: 1) Bastila is a romantic interest for the PC, like Carth, who is 38; 2) she was already a Jedi in 3,963 BBY and tried to persuade other Jedi to obey the Council and not to join the Mandalorian Wars; however, 3) she's still a Padawan in K1, although on the verge of knighting. I would say early 20s. - Sikon [ Talk ] 06:45, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh its ok now one of the writers at Bioware confirmed she is 19 going on 20. Thats what I added on my site.

No, Bastila's birth date IS mentioned in a source; this one right here. http://www.old-republic.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2&Itemid=49 On that site, it says she was born in 3979 BBY, which means she would be 22 in KOTOR.--Promus Kaa 22:58, 5 August 2006 (UTC) Blast. She's still 22 as far as I'm concerned!! :( -- Promus Kaa ( Rebel Merchant )
 * I'm afraid that www.old-republic.com is not an official source.– 23:08, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think she's 26 and this is MY OPINION ONLY. She was a Padawan in K.O.T.O.R., but she also mentions in game that she was given to the Jedi at an early age. If I remember correctly Ki-Adi-Mundi was given to the Jedi at 4 years old, so it is possible that she was born in 3,982 B.B.Y., but just did not join the Jedi until 3,978 B.B.Y.--Jedi Kasra 21:50, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I think shes about 22. So hah! Not 18/19. Thats too young. Darthan the destroyer 21:03, 6 June 2007 (UTC)


 * According to a comment by Chris Avellone a, developer of the first game, she was between 19-23.

Star Forge
As I recall, the council sent Revan and co. out to find something, but it definately wasn't the Star Forge, per se. I think it was more like, they were looking for the thing that they thought had turned Revan to the dark side. I'm not entirely sure about what exactly the mission was, which is why I'm leaving it alone, but I'm pretty sure they didn't know about the Forge as such until Rataka Prime.
 * The original purpose of providing Revan with a new identity was to identify the source of the Sith's massive fleet. That source turned out to be the Star Forge. After the player explores the Dantooine ruins, the Enclave Council learns that something called the Star Forge exists and that Revan and Malak were searching for it. Sooo, the quest WAS to find the Star Forge.--Sentry 11:09, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I know that, but I don't think they knew it was the Star Forge when they went looking for it. At least, they didn't know the name "Star Forge" which the article seems to suggest they did.--Tulkas Mirith 21:51, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
 * They knew the name. They didn't know what it was though. Remember the Guardian Droid on Dantooine. Who mentions the Builders greatest creation, the Star Forge. --Redemption 21:57, 11 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Is that so. Well, I feel like kind of an idiot.  Been a bit since I've played it, so I must have formed an incorrect memory or something.  I could've sworn they didn't get the name "Star Forge", but I must be wrong.--Tulkas Mirith 00:32, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Not until after the Dantooine Ruins they didn't Tulkas, that might be repeating but it's clarifcation. Jono R 09:41, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Image
What's the source for the image? Why was it replaced? I liked the old one better. - Sikon [ Talk ] 11:00, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

Where do hear these things?
Where and when does Bastila say her surname and where she is from, Talravin?

Master Nikolce 08:18, 22 April 2006 (UTC) Talravin is mentioned in the optional dialogue with her, about her mother. Jono R 15:05, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The only time I can actually recall of Bastilas surname said is when she is reporting to Admiral Dodonna in the DS version (This is Bastila Shan...) as for her homeplanet, she says in her dlg that she was from Talravin. --Redemption 03:45, 23 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Talravin is in her databank entry, and she also says the last name on Taris if you try to tell her that you "own" her after she gets freed from the Vulkars. - Sikon [ Talk ] 07:27, 23 April 2006 (UTC)

That and it is printed EVERYWHERE YOU LOOK WHEN YOU ARE LOOKING FOR HER! It was Shan on the KOTORI Website MONTHS before the release (I know, I visited there almost every day.) No Sig. Not Registered.
 * The guy in the starship, Trask or whatever says her name. Darthan the destroyer 01:51, 7 May 2008 (UTC)

Another ending, with Bastila's death
When I played as a lightside female and defeated darkside Bastila I killed her. The game wouldn't let me do otherwise. When she insisted that I kill her I had no option to refuse so I cut her head off. Shouldn't this alternate ending be mentioned too? Vruki Salet 18:05, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You can't cut her head off.... - Kwenn 18:15, 1 May 2006 (UTC)
 * OK maybe you're right in a sense - it was off-camera, but it was strongly implied. In a cut-scene she knelt down and I raised my saber with what looked like the obvious intention to cut her head off. It wasn't shown but what happened was pretty clear. The saber was swung and she was dead, gone, no longer a character in the game. I guess I could have cut her some other way but it didn't look like that.
 * You actually CAN redeem her as female or fail to redeem her playing male. It's just more difficult. The way the game dialogue tree is set up is that you have to earn 50 "points" in the conversation in order for her to not commit suicide by saber duel. Certain options add or subtract points from the total. -Allronix

It's a bit similar to what happened to Count Dooku.--Malak 08:33, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

It can be mentioned in the article, but it should be noted that the canon way is to redeem her, and this is just an extra.Starwarsrulez 22:29, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Bastila on Korriban
I go to Korriban before getting picked up by the Leviathan (therefore, before I open the fourth Star Map). Docked there, the party selection screen disallows me from selecting Bastila. She apparently refuses to set foot on the Sith world.

I try to talk to Bastila about Korriban but no relevant dialog choices show up. What's the story behind this? --68.102.193.78 02:20, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * You probably have missed a cutscene where Bastila explains this. She is afraid that the Sith will recognize her, so she decides to stay on the ship. (Obviously the Sith on Manaan are too dumb to recognize Bastila — after all, those on Taris didn't, despite having been specifically ordered to seek her — and the Sith on Korriban will never choose to inspect the Ebon Hawk seeking, for example, illegal cargo. ) - Sikon [ Talk ] 02:55, 20 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah. There were also force sensitive Selkath on Manaan (not necessarily of dark side alignment), so recognises Bastila among the other force sensitives could be harder. Consider that Korriban is the graveyard of Sith Lords. Many Dark Jedi were there at the time of Revan (at least until he left). Stick a Lightside Jedi there and they'll stand out like a sore thumb. Also consider that Manaan was neutral territory and that, if passing by in a not so secluded area, a Dark Jedi wouldn't be able to dispatch Bastila so easily, unless they liked the idea of eliminating the rights of their soldiers to the Kolto.
 * I don't remember many Dark Jedi being on Taris, but remember that Malak invaded Taris because he wanted Bastila.
 * I'm assuming in both instances you're referring to the Dark Jedi as Sith. Bastila wouldn't be worried about Sith soldiers. When she says Sith on Korriban I think she means Sith Dark Jedi.
 * I concur with your take on the lack of an Ebon Hawk inspection, but if I'm not mistaken, Dreshdae belongs to the smugglers, not the Sith (for memory). Why are smugglers going to inspect if a docked vessel is smuggling something? Consider these people are low quality rot and they care about money, not about wasting their time inspecting vehicles that dock at their station. As long as someone pays them the docking fee, they're free to do what they like. --Poyntz 15:02, October 4, 2009 (UTC)

Well, of course they wouldn't! They have their Sithly fingers into the illegal stuff trade, why would they offend their suppliers? Varas Halcyon 14:42, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
 * BTW, that decision was apparantly made late in production, because there are some GREAT lines out of Bastila that were written for Korriban. A nifty little mod allows you to bring her along on the planet to catch the goodies. - Allronix
 * This is to whoever said 'stick a Lightside Jedi there and they'll stick out like a sore thumb'. What is Juhani, chopped liver? Juhani is a Lightside Jedi and she can go on Korriban no questions asked. Only one person recognises her and that's cause he used to be at the Enclave. No one else notices that she (or Revan for that matter) is a Lightside Jedi (if Revan's lightside). Emiigurl 13:31, June 14, 2010

The Jedi Trained by the Exile
The Exile didn't neccessarily train any Jedi. You have the option to (which I found pretty stupid to be honest, you can't learn that sort of skill that fast unless you're a Skywalker) - but you don't have to. So I don't see how this can be considered to be a part of the continuity until it's clarified by a later game/novel/comic/sourcebook or something. So I ask, why are they mentioned in the article when they might not even be Jedi as far as continuity is concerned? (Ulicus 22:56, 21 May 2006 (UTC)) I would like to point out that the Exile makes force bonds very easily so it was likely not only natural talent but also that they leeched off of his own force abilities to create the original link, once able to use the force it would be much easier to advance. Zeek
 * Your point being? Why post it here? - Sikon [ Talk ] 04:16, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I have *no*idea. Trust me, finding this really weirded me out. I tend to discuss stuff on talk pages all at once, so maybe I pasted it into the wrong window or something... either that or someone set me up! Duhn duhn duuhhhhhnnn!(Ulicus 21:18, 9 August 2006 (UTC))

Three Images
I've noticed they are three Bastila Images.


 * 1.The cover of the box.(Which doesen't even look like Bastila.}


 * 2.The ingame Bastila.


 * 3.The image on some comics,the manual,and other sources.

Why is there three?

--Malak 08:40, 2 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I counted seven. ;) - Sikon [ Talk ] 08:51, 2 July 2006 (UTC)

What are you talking about? there are about 7 Bastilla pictures not 3.--Darth Malice 18:30, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

KotOR II?
There isn't anything about her from after the Star Forge. There was some mention of her in the second gameRevan&#39;s Bane 19:47, 23 October 2006 (UTC) Bastila does appear if Revan is a Lightsided Male. She comes out and does as Atlas says. This should be mentioned. Jono R 15:10, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
 * What do you mean? In the game or in the article? --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 19:53, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
 * After playing through KotOR II again (for about the fourth time in a month), I played as a male Jedi Sentinel, became a Sith Assassin, and set Revan to male, I finished the Battle of Telos and went to talk to Carth. He went through his whole thing of "tell Revan I'm following his orders", and then Bastila came out, asking Carth if the Exile knew anything of Revan's whereabouts. Carth replied "No, but after finally meeting the exile, I'm convinced there are worse things in the galaxy to lose." Since I played as a Sith, I know it's not canon with the storyline, but it should at least be mentioned.--Atlas503 13:17, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
 * He says that if you put Revan as lightsided(It does not matter if you set Revan as male or female, just one sentence is different), so that makes it canon. It doesn't matter if you are jedi, sith, or neither it just matters what Revan is to make him talk to you, though he does not talk to you if Revan is set to darksided.Starwarsrulez 22:23, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * This is alluded to in the article, but you are right in that it be clearly stated. I'll do this as soon as possible. Cylka  -talk- 10:15, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Time for an Image change?
Been waiting to do this for a while now and I finally got some shots. The main image...though it is promotional...it's just not that great of quality. Looks very odd. So, I know I'm going aganist my own protocol but perhaps she'd be better off with a new in-game photo


 * GASP from crowd*

So, I took Bastila out on a Dantooine Photo Shoot and selected the best ones (stuck the promo in if you want that to stay anyway). -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png Talk 23:16, 4 January 2007 (UTC)

Number 2

 * 1) Maclimes Zero''' (talk) Infinite_Empire.svg 23:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 2)  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 15:19, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Starwarsrulez 22:36, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Any of the new ones are fine by me - QuentinGeorge 10:19, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Promo

 * I looked at the article and couldn't believe that this image wasn't in there at all, much less as the main image. It's the quintessential Bastila image IMO... she's holding a lightsaber, it's a full-body shot that shows her unique outfit, and it's an official image rather than just some screenshot. The other images give me the impression that she's just another random minor character in the game, which obviously she's not.  Sarendipity  ( Talk to me ) 06:25, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Comments

 * Naturally, the promo must stay in the article somewhere. Maclimes Zero''' (talk) Infinite_Empire.svg 23:22, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Not really. There is already a promotional Bastila image in. (two if you count covers) -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png Talk 23:26, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm... Good point. Maclimes Zero''' (talk) Infinite_Empire.svg 23:30, 4 January 2007 (UTC)
 * So do I win? :D Maclimes Zero''' (talk) Infinite_Empire.svg 21:41, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Only if nobody else votes within the next couple of days. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png Talk 23:25, 5 January 2007 (UTC)


 * As long as the promo stays, I don't care which picture we use as long as we don't use picture 4. Starwarsrulez 22:23, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Define "stay". In the infobox or article? Lets be frank. It's a pretty crappy quality picture...-- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png Talk 22:24, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I just want it to stay in the article and I think it looks cool. Starwarsrulez 22:27, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * But is it best for infobox? That is the question here. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png Talk 22:30, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok your right it should be changed and deleted.Starwarsrulez 22:35, 6 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Considering there hasn't been any voting, I'm assuming number 2 is our winner. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png Talk 16:21, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Are we ever going to change the quote, or leave it the same? Starwarsrulez 23:13, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Three copyvio paragraphs
They've been rewritten now, but we really need to watch out for things like that. There were three paragraphs practically ripped wholesale from the KOTOR site. - Lord Hydronium 07:05, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Ultimate Quote Supply
Tommorow I will (if I have time) upload the collected dialog of Bastila as found in KOTOR. Karohalva 05:14, 20 February 2007 (UTC)

Refs in section titles
Something has to be done about the reference notes that have been put in the section titles. It makes the table of contents look very unprofessional. This to me does not seem something acceptable for a featured article. Here is what it makes the TOC look: *1 Biography o 1.1 Early life o 1.2 The Jedi Civil War[1] o 1.3 A Sith apprentice o 1.4 Back on the light side *2 Personality and traits *3 Powers and abilities[1] *4 Behind the scenes o 4.1 Original character development o 4.2 Possible descendants o 4.3 Alternate endings *5 Appearances *6 Sources *7 References Those "[1]" shouldn't be there, and look bad. --OuroborosCobra 07:20, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ref is supposed to remove them, AFAIK. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 14:36, 23 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well, it isn't. --OuroborosCobra 22:07, 23 February 2007 (UTC)

Yellow Lightsaber
Should it be mentioned in the article that she wielded a yellow lightsaber? I think it's noteworthy. Wookiee Jedi 15:29, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
 * And now it is. Cool! Wookiee Jedi 18:22, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I noticed that the article says she replaced the crystal in her lightsaber with a red one when she fell. In the game, after Malak freezes her, the player gets all her pocessions, even her lightsaber. So should it say she got a new saber?Jedi Striker 00:51 24 January 2008 (UTC)
 * I think that's more of an oversight in the game (as the gameplayer would most likely complain about losing all the items that Bastila had). In all reality, I would expect that she changed her lightsaber crystal, though it is possible (but however unlikely) that she built a new one.  It all depends on how "canon" you interpet the actual gameplay to be. --Brukhar 02:18, 29 May 2008 (UTC)

Jedi Knight?
Couldn't Bastila have been made a Jedi Knight sometime on Dantooine while Revan was being re-trained? Because she always claims to want to be made a Master, and Jedi Padawans just don't become Masters.--Jedi Kasra 20:51, 17 June 2007 (UTC)


 * She is a Knight. The New Essential Chronology says so.--Jedi Kasra 16:30, 11 August 2007 (UTC)

? I think she was just a very advanced Padawan. The Jedi Masters on Dantooine called her 'Padawan Bastila' several times. I speculate that her master could have been killed before she could be knighted. With the war going on, maybe Masters gave her the privlages of a Jedi Knight because she was very strong and she mastered Battle Meditation, even though she was still a Padawan. Andrea Kenobi 03:13, 22 January 2008 (UTC)Andrea Kenobi

Actualy Bastila did not replace her saber crystal with a red one because you get every thing she has when she is captured Malak gives her a NEW saber

Eyes
O.K., whoever keeps changing Bastila's eye color from blue to gray stop doing it! If you look at her eyes in game, THEY ARE BLUE!!! UNLESS YOU CAN FIND A SOURCE THAT SAYS OTHERWISE, STOP CHANGING IT!!!!--Jedi Kasra 21:44, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
 * They're gray. As seen image shack dot U S )/img517/6278/bastilaskinri6.png here in her skin file - which is indisputable since all the games run on shaders which makes colors seem off. Check your sources next time, kiddo. And turn your caps lock off. You are embarrassing yourself. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png Talk 03:25, 15 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Changed eye colour to be blue to be in-line with what you see in game (game creators would have known shades would add colour and made skin files accordingly). Also all souses on-line I could find list Bastila eye colour as blue. http://swgames.wikia.com/wiki/Bastila_Shan http://www.indopedia.org/Bastila_Shan.html Jaxxa 04:54, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * The Star Wars Games Wiki and Indopedia are not proper sources, so I'm changing it back. In addition, gray eyes isn't a rare occurrence in the Star Wars universe. -- Michaeldsuarez  Infinite_Empire.svg ( Activate Holocron ) 15:08, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * This was settled 2 years ago, they are gray, do not open old topics. As well, gray eyes are a form of blue eyes so everyone is right but regardless, the skin files are what you go by because they are what the designers want it to be and made them be in the game. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 15:19, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Bastila was not the leader of the strike team
Nowhere in the game did it ever mention Bastila was leading the strike team. It only mentions her being part of the team. It's unlikey the Jedi would send a padawaan to lead such an important mission.
 * Talk:Jedi Civil War. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 13:56, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

Is Bastila also a Jedi Healer?
When Bastila rescues the unconscious Revan using the Force, it is obvious that she is rescuing Revan by means of Force healing, is it not? If so, then it seems odd, from a gameplaying point of view, that Bastila does not have maximum innate Force healing abilites in the game, but they have to be acquired through level-ups. But then again, Bastila is gifted in the Battle Meditation, yet that ability cannot even be acquired as a useable power for the Bastila-NPC...

Do you mean when they ambush Revan? That didn't necessarily have to be force healing. There are a couple other ways that she could have saved him. Morichro, for example.--24.6.105.116 18:03, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Bastila and the Endar Spire ambush
Something that I'd like clarified... in KotOR, Carth tells you that the attack on the Endar Spire went so swiftly because Bastila didn't get a chance to use her Battle Meditation (e.g. when you first land on Taris, his second plot dialogue). However, Bastila tells you that she did use her Battle Meditation to aid the defeners (saving Revan and Carth's lives, even), and indeed was so exhausted from it that she didn't have the strength to defend herself from the Black Vulkars (in the dialogue with Carth about losing her lightsabre). Did she or did she not use her Battle Meditation in that battle? It's possible she was lying to Carth to save face, as she is rather stuffy and arrogant at that point in the game, but on the other hand Carth is only surmising she couldn't use it, and Bastila's explanation fits in with her capture by the Vulkars. So what was she doing during that battle?

Ya, I heard that conversation as well. I think that the Sith attack went by too fast for her to use her battle meditation. She comments as well that the thing the Vulkars put on her to stop her from using the force didn't work. Therefore, she probably could use battle meditation in the latter fight. Darthan the destroyer 13:56, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

From what I understood of that dialogue tree, Bastila was unable to use her Battle Meditation while on board the Endar Spire. However once she was in the relative peace and safety of the Escape Pod she was able to use her Battle Meditation to affect the battle enough to allow Carth & the Player Character to survive and escape.

Jedi Knight, Rnd. 2
I think we have enough evidence thah confirmns that Bastila was a Jedi Knight. It says so in two places, the Saga Edition Core Rulebook says she is, and the book Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force, says she is on pg. 23--Jedi Kasra 19:34, 7 December 2007 (UTC)


 * You mean after the events of KotOR right? Darthan the destroyer 13:59, 16 May 2008 (UTC)

If Bastila was a Knight during the KOTOR game, it should be mentioned when and where she was knighted. Jedi Striker 04:53, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Image of Bastila vs. Darth Revan
We should probably add the image on pg. 56 of the Essential Guide to the Force to this article and perhaps Revan's as well. Any thoughts?--Jedi Kasra 19:38, 7 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Images support text, not the other way around. If there isn't any room (and there isn't) don't put it in. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png (Talk) 05:00, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Link
Check out this link here: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=starwars/article/CotFPreview6\ According to this, Bastila's a Jedi Consular, (lvl. 12) and a Jedi Investigator. (lvl. 5) Hmm... John Jackson Miller really needs to canonize the Jedi Sentinel class.--Jedi Kasra 00:48, 30 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Very odd...that contradicts the game, and Bastila never shows any sign of being a Consular. Drewton  SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg 14:54, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * True, but notice also "Female Human Jedi consular 12/Jedi investigator 5 (Jedi sentinel archetype)", with emphasis on the Jedi Sentinel archetype. Additionally, I don't know if WotC playing cards can really be considered an official source of information.  But good catch.  Hopefully someone will point that out to WotC so they can fix it. --Brukhar 02:15, 29 May 2008 (UTC)
 * But the SW roleplaying game is considered canon. But your right, Bastila might have been the first Sentinels. (and last)--Jedi Kasra 09:12, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Related
Bastilla looks very similar to Serra Keto. Should we put them as related in the article?
 * No. That's speculation. Drewton  Era-old.png ( Drewton's Holocron ) 17:53, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Helrae?
Do we have any confirmation that Helrae Bulsar is her official Master? The source in the infobox leads to the Campaing Guide, but its article makes no mention. Quick Google and Databank searches also leave me empty handed, save the one fanon page on the Star Wars Fanon wikia. Her article was deleted twice as fanon, and I don't want to recreate it under the impression its factual and make an arse of myself. // ~mikah~  02:08, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds like fanon, especially with the author of the fanon article himself adding it to the page. Drewton  Era-old.png ( Drewton's Holocron ) 02:19, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Sourcing in BTS
The whole "Bastila was originally going to have a single hilt lightsaber with a blue blade, ..." paragraph looks to me as conjecture based upon the released character concept art. I am aware of three images showing character concepts which didn't make it to the game, two of which are already on the main article page. The last would be the wallpaper released by Bioware/Lucasarts in November 2002, some 7 months before the game itself was launched. That wallpaper can be found here: http://rpgvault.ign.com/articles/377/377553p1.html. Shouldn't the relevant paragraph be rephrased so that it is clear that it is conjecture? Or, as an alternative, can the images be used as source?--Chiooam5 22:55, 28 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks for posting the website, since I now have somewhere to start in verifying that piece of information. We try to avoid conjecture in our articles, so unless I can find a reliable source, the information will simply be removed. Cylka  -talk- 10:19, 2 March 2009 (UTC)

Infobox Image
Lets make this quick and painless. Avoiding a possible edit war. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png (Talk) 17:09, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

New headshot

 * 1)  Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png (Talk) 17:09, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) The head looks a bit odd, for some reason, but not necessarily in a bad way and the shot's definitely better. Did you render this in another program? Drewton  Era-old.png ( Drewton's Holocron ) 17:18, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

Current headshot

 * 1) The new image just looks awful IMO. I agree that the current ine isn't perfect either, but you need to get a better one to convince me.  Mauser  Comlink 17:39, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) *Ya know. When you do these kinds of criticisms, it would help if it was constructive. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png (Talk) 17:44, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) **Okay, how 'bout that: it doesn't look like her. The angle it's taken from shows too many edges of the model, compared to the current one. Also the lightning isn't good: too dark, again compared to existing one. Also, apologies for "inconstructive" comment.  Mauser  Comlink 18:23, 17 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Man, I hate to do this but... The new one just looks creepy. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 01:56, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Her neck and head look the same width. Its not really bad, you just need another shot or two for comparison or replacement. NaruHina  Talk Anakinsolo.png 02:07, 18 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 2) This is better.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 15:50, 28 April 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) The new image looks alot like how the current Canderous image is made. It looks like an edited version of the real character model.  Something about these images just looks wrong.  Besides, the current image is fine. 72.74.199.93 15:28, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Comments
Current headshot low quality, poor aliasing and she isn't facing the camera. Somewhat odd position in terms of her head and body. -- Redemption Redemptionusersymbol.png (Talk) 17:09, 17 April 2009 (UTC)

New introduction?
I don't know about you guys, but doesn't the new introduction seem unusually long compared to other articles? Ruthless Xero 03:00, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

Fade to black scene - what really happened
For some reason, I didn't notice the part about the kiss at the end of the Searching for the Star Forge section before.

However, it isn't just a kiss according to the developers of the game. The fade to black is supposed to imply that Bastila and Revan has sex. That information can be found on the kotor game forum, in the post from David Gaider, here: http://swforums.bioware.com/forums/viewtopic.html?topic=256234&forum=89&sp=15

So I am wondering, since it was more than a kiss, should the article be edited to reflect this? Or should the developers intent just be put into the BTS section? Chiooam5 20:46, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

Bastila - What's her canon fate?
The article doesn't really stipulate what becomes of Bastila save for what happens in the game (ie, dies/becomes a hero of the old republic). What happens to her in canon, or... will she come back to the KOTOR series/appear in the TOR series, etc? --Poyntz 14:18, October 7, 2009 (UTC)

What is with using her Surname?
Is there some reason that the whole article refers to Bastila as Shan and not just Bastila. I have played KOTOR and KOTOR II TSL several times and she is never referred to by just her surname. I think that the article should be change so that all the lone Shan's are replaced with Bastila's. --JMasterWor 18:38, November 18, 2009 (UTC)


 * It is preferred on Wookieepedia to use characters' surname instead of the first name. -- Xd1358  Talk 18:40, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

So what your saying is that in the articles about Shmi, Anakin, Luke, Luuke, Ben, Kol, Nat, and Cade Skywalker they are all referred to as just Skywalker. Because that can't possible be confusing. As for Bastila Shan there are seven other individuals with that surname and one of them is Bastila's mother. Just explain to me how just referring to a character by their surname is preferable. --JMasterWor 21:03, November 18, 2009 (UTC)

Master??
In the new timeline video on swtor.com it is said that Revan was aided by Master Bastila Shan. I don't know if this is a mistake, because I was always under the impression that she was a padawan while still traveling with Revan. Anyone know the answer to this? VadersFist666 02:53, June 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * I noticed that too. Personally, I'm inclined to think the narrator was simply referring to her with the rank she would later achieve (as in, Bastila eventually made it to Master, and is remembered as such by the Jedi Order). DarthMuffin 04:47, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

I concure but when i told them this thet said to me "we dont know what happened after her adentures in the KOTOR series' thanks for you concern and we will look in to it." if you wish any one can add me as a friend my user name is jmccoy and my email is jmccoy@iredellcap.com this is on SWTOR.com


 * Their logic, at times, leaves much to be desired. They claim to not know anything about what happened to her after the KotOR series, yet they know she had a baby and one of her direct descendants is one of their main characters?  The ignorance (or, double-standard?) of their comment boggles my mind.  But that's just me.  I agree with DarthMuffin that, regardless of what they claim, Master Gnost-Dural was referring to her as she is remembered, and not as she was in the events he described.  It's much like saying, "Darth Bane, the Dark Lord of the Sith, killed his father on Apatros."  We understand that Bane was not yet the Dark Lord at that time (much less "Bane"), but simply that he later became the Dark Lord and is now remembered as such.  This type of speech is called prolepsis.  It is actually quite common and should, therefore, not be understood as a contradiction.--Master Dakari 01:20, July 20, 2010 (UTC)