Talk:Darth Nox

Do we even need this?
The article is non-specific to the extreme, and covers a game mechanism, not an actual Star Wars character. I highly doubt it should be included at all. Gorthuar 19:59, October 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * I would suggest reserving judgement, as this may be the most viable option for depicting the events of the game. Much as the anonymous Spacers of Galaxies serve as a catch-all descriptor for the players, so too could an article for each class serve to frame the canonical in-game content.  DD97 Which bear is best? 20:12, October 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Before the article was created it was brought up at WookieeProject The Old Republic and the project lead agreed that they warranted an article. Unlike the Spacer from Galaxies, the individual classes are characters - every bit as Revan and the Jedi Exile are; apart from their species the class-characters are as defined as the aforementioned (prior to their gender being made canon).
 * The Inquisitor for example: is brought to Korriban and follows a story that eventually makes him or her the apprtice of the Sith Lord Zash, and along his/her adventure s/he picks up various companions - such as Khem Val, the starship they fly is as unique to them as the Ebon Hawke was to Revan.
 * Considering that story is central to swtor, and it is BioWare developing - the classes are actual star wars characters. Alexsau1991 (talk page) StupidSithEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 23:55, October 31, 2011 (UTC)

Name (spoiler)
Once the game is released, I believe it should be renamed to Darth Nox, the name given to the character by the Dark Council.--Seth danny 23:45, December 11, 2011 (UTC) (Mattto123 09:09, May 14, 2012 (UTC))
 * are you sure there aren't any other ways of it ending (without becoming a darth?).--Gboy4 00:08, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Even as a light sider, I believe the final battle remains the same, and I don't think the character is in a position to deny the council at that moment. But more will be known after the release. I wanted to support the fact that the Sith Inquisitor is an actual character with a solid (and marvelous) story, not some random PC.--Seth danny 02:01, December 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * You get Darth Imperius if your neutral, and Darth Occulus if your light. We don't have a dev quote or canonical statement that Kallig was known as Darth Nox, so it shouldn't be changed. But it was most likely Darth Nox cause Kallig was probably dark-sided and evil.

If this, why not others?
If we have a page about the Sith Inquisiter of the game, why not the others. Unidentified Jedi Knight and such?--Jet Twilights 03:25, December 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * If you want to do it then by all means, I doubt anyone will mind and I think they all play notable roles but I don't know enough to do it myself.-Gboy4 01:48, December 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'm not the best at MAKING pages. I've never done it before, actually.--174.62.183.126 02:54, December 22, 2011 (UTC)

Darth Nox
I've just learned in numerous videos on YouTube that after the Inquisitor defeats Darth Thanaton, he or she is given the name "Darth Nox." So I suggest that this article be moved to a more identifying name. Lord KOT 23:24, December 27, 2011 (UTC)
 * The name is not always "Darth Nox" though. As a lightsider, the Inquisitor receives the name "Darth Occulus" and if neutral the name "Darth Imperius". Strenalis 00:27, December 29, 2011 (UTC)


 * It would still be an identifying name though. I remember a developer saying a while back that default Jedi choices were lightsided, default Sith choices were darkside and default Bounty Hunter/Imperial Agent/Smuggler/Trooper choices were neutral - an example being, in a group conversation fail to answer will automatically select say the dark side option if playing a Sith.
 * Not to say that I'm miss interpreting 'default' as 'canon', but then Revan and Meetra Surik's articles was written from a lightside perspective long before we knew what their canon fates were.
 * Failing that the 3rd option could be something like: Descendent of Kallig. Alexsau1991 (talk page) StupidSithEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 20:29, January 12, 2012 (UTC)


 * Infact.. I think we should just move this article to: Kallig, since after defeating Zash, Aloysius Kallig states to the Inquisitor "you are Lord Kallig now." We can then have a header for those looking for Aloysius Kallig. Alexsau1991 (talk page) StupidSithEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 00:48, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'm with Alexsau on this one. We know that, regardless of alignment, upon becoming a Lord, the player is referred to as "Lord Kallig" by their ancestor. Darth Trayus ( Trayus Academy ) 01:01, January 17, 2012 (UTC)


 * Is it right to call Kallig as Darth Nox in the last part of Kallig's bio. It has not been stated whether or not Darth Nox is the canon name for Kallig. --Senjuto 14:26, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
 * The article needs to be renamed to "Darth Nox." Kallig named the character "Kallig," which is the name the character bore until Darth Marr renamed the character "Darth Nox." That's the last name we see the character with, and the most prominent thenceforth.  —Tommy  9281  Sunday, May 6, 2012, 08:00 UTC 
 * I do agree, though despite Dark Side Darth Nox being default, both Darth Occulus and Darth Imperious are alternate titles received by those who go neutral or lightside. Making it difficult to choose one over the others. Alexsau1991 (talk page) SithEmblemTOR.PNG 18:51, May 6, 2012 (UTC)


 * I'll give this until this Sunday. If no valid arguments are presented that compel us to keep the article named Kallig, I'll be moving it to Darth Nox.  —Tommy  9281  Thursday, May 10, 2012, 20:31 UTC 
 * Alex, in case you haven't, read this CT. For now, we are operating under the assumption that the dark side options are canon for Imperial characters, so Occulus and Imperius are non-canon. Darth Nox is Kallig's correct title, and Kallig should be moved there because it is the latest title we have for the character. Isn't that in the naming conventions policy? Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 20:35, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Hmm... If that's the case, I'll change it to Darth Nox on Korriban Sith Academy and other pages that I can find. (Mattto123 11:23, May 14, 2012 (UTC))

Eye color
Eye color is decided by the player, and even if it wasn't, red is not the usual color for Dark side corruption. Rather, yellow would be the canonical Dark side color. Regardless, it's player-chosen. I reccomend that it be removed. The Wise One, Gnost-Dural himself!.  The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.  16:11, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

Non-Specific Pronouns or Two Persons for the price of One
I keep seeing "they" in places that describe Lord Kallig. Now either writers/editors are implying that the Sith Inquisitor has multiple personality disorder, or they're trying to avoid giving a sex specific pronoun. The problem with using "they" is that the article is now fairly ridiculous (Lord Kallig being more than one person). To remedy this, we should just pick a sex, change the pronouns, and leave it until something canonical comes up, because the alternative is having a nonsensical article. - Me (8:27 EST, 1/26/2012)


 * I'm not a native speaker of English, but I think we should not "pick a sex", beacause we have absolutely no right to chose for ourselves. By the way, it seems that the use of the "singular they" os acceptable and not "nonsensical" (the other wiki says: "The 2011 translation of the New International Version Bible utilizes singular they instead of "he" or "he or she", reflecting changes in English usage. The translators commissioned a study of modern English usage and determined that singular "they" ("them"/"their") is by far the most common way that English-language speakers and writers today refer back to singular antecedents such as "whoever, anyone, somebody, a person, no one, and the like.") LelalMekha 19:16, January 29, 2012 (UTC)

--168.156.1.178 20:04, February 6, 2012 (UTC)Should the missions to Nar Shaddaa, Balmorra, etc. be expanded on?

Why Dark Side assumption?
I'm just wondering why the article makes dark side assumptions. From what I've seen there are no canon facts that support either the dark or light side option for any of the characters. With the story turning out the same way in many of the cases I don't see a problem in writing neutral articles without assumption. If there is a reason for the assumption I'm just curious for what it is.--Raymasho 14:15, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * Im' not the one who first came with this assumption but my guess is that: Sith are expected to behave... well, Sithly, and Jedi are expected to behave Jedily. This seems to be a rational and quite reasonable assumption, methinks. --LelalMekha 14:25, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * I'd have to disagree due to that several of the "dark side" options for the Jedi Consular for example are typical things that Star Wars in general involve the mainj character in. The best example would be the romance option which is something you gain dark side points for. Yet within nearly all Star Wars media Love plays an important role and it would seem foolish to dismiss it due to assumptions. I'm not saying that we should include the romance but simply that we should be careful when assuming dark or light when it comes to this game due to the rather odd results at times. --Raymasho 14:33, April 4, 2012 (UTC)
 * The assumptions stand as they are because they are the safest and most logical method of writing an article for a "player choice-based" character whose canon story is not yet revealed. This is not one-and-the-same as deciding the canon story, but rather presenting the most likely order of events while at the same time alerting the Wiki reader to other possibilities.--Master Dakari 07:54, April 16, 2012 (UTC)
 * See this consensus. Until TOR ends and we are given more information about the canon identities of the characters, we will follow what we have decided. Cade   Calrayn  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 18:54, May 6, 2012 (UTC)
 * I wasn't aware that discussion took place, though I agree fully with the outcome. That being the case, shouldn't this be moved to Darth Nox. We can then make a clear case for writing the article with the Dark Side slant, with Lightside options clearly detailed in the behind the scenes section. Alexsau1991 (talk page) SithEmblemTOR.PNG 19:26, May 6, 2012 (UTC)

Picture
I added a picture of an inquisitor, as the Wrath has a own picture aswell. --ShenLong Kazama 15:22, May 10, 2012 (UTC)
 * Whilst I agree that an image could/should be added. The one you choose showed: A. the physical appearance of your character, B. a helmet that not all characters receive, ergo neither are canon.
 * I would recommend adding an image of the first mask that Kallig receives, and then cropping it close enough that the body is not displayed. Alexsau1991 (talk page) SithEmblemTOR.PNG 20:48, May 10, 2012 (UTC)