Wookieepedia:AC/Log/2017 December 30

Dec 30 23:00:43 	Ok, welcome to AC meeting 99. Dec 30 23:00:47 	The final one for 2017. Dec 30 23:00:50 	Let's get to it, shall we Dec 30 23:00:55 	KILL Dec 30 23:01:09 	THE LAST MEETING, as it were Dec 30 23:01:15 	crowds of ACs with torches and pitchforks Dec 30 23:01:22 	We'll start with those...NOT...on the guest list Dec 30 23:01:28 	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cacop Dec 30 23:01:34 	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Cacop Dec 30 23:01:42 	No change Dec 30 23:01:46 	kill Dec 30 23:01:48 	Kill Dec 30 23:01:48 *	exiledjedi (~exiledjed@wookieepedia/administrator/Exiledjedi) has joined Dec 30 23:01:48 *	ChanServ gives channel operator status to exiledjedi Dec 30 23:01:53 	kill Dec 30 23:01:57 	kill Cacops, not EJ Dec 30 23:02:07 	Kill Cacop Dec 30 23:02:24 	Welcome, EJ Dec 30 23:02:25 	heh, hey EJ Dec 30 23:02:32 	Hello Dec 30 23:02:32 <Toprawa>	Cacop killed Dec 30 23:02:40 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Unidentified_501st_Legion_clone_trooper Dec 30 23:02:46 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Unidentified_501st_Legion_clone_trooper Dec 30 23:02:54 <Toprawa>	No change Dec 30 23:02:58 	Kill Dec 30 23:03:03 <Toprawa>	Kill Dec 30 23:03:09 <MasterFred>	Kill Dec 30 23:03:09 <Imperators_II>	Kill Dec 30 23:03:13 <Toprawa>	Unidentified 501st Legion clone trooper killed Dec 30 23:03:20 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hostis_Ij Dec 30 23:03:23 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Hostis_Ij Dec 30 23:03:47 <Toprawa>	There's still an update tag there Dec 30 23:03:58 <Toprawa>	But there is info from the source in question in the article Dec 30 23:04:23 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hostis_Ij?diff=7319334&oldid=7288736 and... Dec 30 23:04:31 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hostis_Ij?diff=next&oldid=7319334 Dec 30 23:04:34 <Toprawa>	This were the two edits since the GAR Dec 30 23:04:45 <Imperators_II>	the dates are yet to be referenced tho Dec 30 23:04:58 <MasterFred>	Interesting. Dec 30 23:05:05 <Imperators_II>	kiiiiill Dec 30 23:05:22 <Toprawa>	5 ABY isn't even in the article body Dec 30 23:05:23 <Toprawa>	So, yeah Dec 30 23:05:24 <Toprawa>	Kill Dec 30 23:05:29 <MasterFred>	Kill then Dec 30 23:05:38 	Kill Dec 30 23:05:47 <Toprawa>	Pro tip: Don't write an article that's still undergoing character development Dec 30 23:05:53 <Toprawa>	Hostis Ij killed Dec 30 23:06:01 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Seyyerin_Itoklo Dec 30 23:06:06 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Seyyerin_Itoklo Dec 30 23:06:16 <Toprawa>	No change Dec 30 23:06:20 	Kill Dec 30 23:06:24 <Toprawa>	Kill Dec 30 23:06:24 <MasterFred>	kill Dec 30 23:06:27 <Toprawa>	EJ, Scourge of the CSWE Dec 30 23:06:35 <Imperators_II>	Kill Dec 30 23:06:39 <Toprawa>	Seyyerin Itoklo killed Dec 30 23:06:46 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Halkans Dec 30 23:06:52 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Halkans Dec 30 23:07:08 <Toprawa>	There's some CSWE content referenced in the article Dec 30 23:07:10 <Toprawa>	Is this not it, EJ? Dec 30 23:07:26 <Toprawa>	No edits since GAR Dec 30 23:07:28 <Toprawa>	So I'm assuming not Dec 30 23:07:30 <Toprawa>	Kill Dec 30 23:07:38 <Imperators_II>	kill Dec 30 23:08:01 	There was something else. Dec 30 23:08:03 	Kill Dec 30 23:08:04 <MasterFred>	Kill..... Dec 30 23:08:09 <Toprawa>	Halkans killed Dec 30 23:08:19 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Handa Dec 30 23:08:22 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Handa Dec 30 23:08:39 <Toprawa>	No edits since GAR Dec 30 23:08:42 <Toprawa>	Kill Dec 30 23:08:45 <Imperators_II>	Kill Dec 30 23:08:46 	Kill Dec 30 23:08:54 <MasterFred>	Kill Dec 30 23:08:55 <Toprawa>	Handa killed Dec 30 23:09:03 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aron_Harcourt Dec 30 23:09:09 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Aron_Harcourt Dec 30 23:09:15 <Toprawa>	Hanzo says he updated it Dec 30 23:09:28 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aron_Harcourt?diff=7324204&oldid=7288740 Dec 30 23:09:58 <MasterFred>	Wait, no refs in Bts? Dec 30 23:10:06 <Toprawa>	We need to discuss this, actually Dec 30 23:10:22 <Toprawa>	BTS referencing is probably not something we should be probing and killing for Dec 30 23:10:35 <Imperators_II>	it shouldn't be, yeah Dec 30 23:10:52 <Toprawa>	Although our Sourcing policy says that the entire article must be referenced, the original CT that made that policy specifically said that BTS is more of a contentious issue and should be decided on its own Dec 30 23:11:00 	I think his update covers everything. Dec 30 23:11:20 <Toprawa>	Keep Dec 30 23:11:28 	Keep Dec 30 23:11:36 <MasterFred>	Fair enough Dec 30 23:11:37 <Imperators_II>	can this be sourced to the comic? "Prior to 3 BBY, Janelle died" Dec 30 23:11:38 <MasterFred>	keep Dec 30 23:12:06 <Toprawa>	Not independently, no Dec 30 23:12:29 <Toprawa>	If we're going to send it back, then I have other, minor aesthetic issues Dec 30 23:12:29 <Imperators_II>	and I'm almost certain this can't: "began a naval career during the Great Peace of the Republic." Dec 30 23:12:47 <Imperators_II>	why is all of this sourced to ANH? "several months after the Empire's loss at the Battle of Yavin" Dec 30 23:12:52 <Toprawa>	The Bio should be subsectioned with more images and quotes Dec 30 23:13:05 <Toprawa>	More images throughout as available Dec 30 23:13:12 <MasterFred>	Yeah, that definitely can't be source to ANH. Dec 30 23:13:23 <Imperators_II>	the specific ship models probably also can't be sourced to the comic Dec 30 23:13:33 <MasterFred>	doubtful Dec 30 23:13:38 <Toprawa>	That ANH bit is actually double-reffed Dec 30 23:14:00 <Imperators_II>	yeah, but it should be accurately double-reffed, no? Dec 30 23:14:04 <Toprawa>	I know the Adjudicator can't Dec 30 23:14:15 <Toprawa>	It might be, for all I know Dec 30 23:14:26 <Toprawa>	The Omnibuses usually gave some kind of date Dec 30 23:14:29 <Toprawa>	Hanzo apparently checked it Dec 30 23:14:32 <Toprawa>	I don't know any more than that Dec 30 23:15:04 <MasterFred>	Hmmmmm Dec 30 23:15:11 <MasterFred>	to trust Hanzo or not to trust Hanzo... Dec 30 23:15:33 <Imperators_II>	I say we extend this Dec 30 23:15:34 <Toprawa>	Well, we can't prove him wrong, so I don't think we can probe for something we don't know Dec 30 23:15:40 <Toprawa>	But yeah, we can extend for everything else Dec 30 23:15:41 <MasterFred>	Yep Dec 30 23:15:47 	Okay, extend. Dec 30 23:15:53 <MasterFred>	That seems fair enough. Extend. Dec 30 23:15:56 <Toprawa>	Aron Harcourt extended Dec 30 23:16:03 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vengnar_Heiff Dec 30 23:16:06 <Imperators_II>	sorry for turning your votes around, guys :P Dec 30 23:16:12 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Vengnar_Heiff Dec 30 23:16:23 <Toprawa>	I'd rather see that whole article done from scratch Dec 30 23:16:27 <Toprawa>	It's a 2009 mess Dec 30 23:16:34 <Toprawa>	Harcourt, I mean Dec 30 23:16:50 <Toprawa>	No edits since GAR Dec 30 23:16:51 <Toprawa>	Kill Dec 30 23:17:00 <Imperators_II>	I think the rest of the old stuff is no-change Dec 30 23:17:07 <Imperators_II>	kill Vengnar Dec 30 23:17:15 	Kill Dec 30 23:17:31 <Toprawa>	Vengnar Heiff killed Dec 30 23:17:38 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Greeta_Holda Dec 30 23:17:45 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Greeta_Holda Dec 30 23:17:45 <MasterFred>	kill Dec 30 23:17:47 <MasterFred>	sorry Dec 30 23:17:52 <Toprawa>	No change Dec 30 23:17:53 <Toprawa>	Kill Dec 30 23:17:56 	Kill Dec 30 23:18:01 <Imperators_II>	no, you're not. Kill :P Dec 30 23:18:08 <Toprawa>	Greeta Holda killed Dec 30 23:18:09 <MasterFred>	kill Dec 30 23:18:14 <Toprawa>	We only need 3 votes to kill anyways Dec 30 23:18:18 <Toprawa>	So if you're not here, tough :P Dec 30 23:18:23 <Imperators_II>	Fred the double-killer Dec 30 23:18:28 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Hocekureem_Sea Dec 30 23:18:29 <MasterFred>	Somebody decided to walk up and ask me questions. 9_9 Dec 30 23:18:34 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Hocekureem_Sea Dec 30 23:18:37 <Imperators_II>	jeez Dec 30 23:18:48 <Toprawa>	No edits since GAR Dec 30 23:18:51 <Toprawa>	Kill Dec 30 23:18:55 <MasterFred>	kill Dec 30 23:19:03 	Kill Dec 30 23:19:06 <Imperators_II>	a non-Tope SOTE article :O Dec 30 23:19:08 <Imperators_II>	kill Dec 30 23:19:10 <Toprawa>	Hocekureem Sea killed Dec 30 23:19:16 <Toprawa>	This is what happens when I don't write them :P Dec 30 23:19:30 <Toprawa>	Moving on Dec 30 23:19:40 <Imperators_II>	sorry, Floyd, if you're reading this :P Dec 30 23:19:44 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ord_Antalaha Dec 30 23:19:54 <Toprawa>	There's a list of stuff from EJ Dec 30 23:19:57 <Toprawa>	Please see the meeting page Dec 30 23:20:00 <Toprawa>	I won't bog down the log here Dec 30 23:20:02 <Imperators_II>	yay, probe Dec 30 23:20:24 <Toprawa>	The linking overall in the infobox is poor Dec 30 23:20:36 <Toprawa>	Probe Dec 30 23:20:39 	Probe Dec 30 23:20:44 <MasterFred>	Probe Dec 30 23:20:47 <Toprawa>	Ord Antalaha probed Dec 30 23:20:54 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Brangus_Glee%27s_species Dec 30 23:21:01 <Toprawa>	Excuse me while I decipher the meeting page discussion... Dec 30 23:21:21 <Toprawa>	Hanzo fixed everything Dec 30 23:21:25 <Toprawa>	I looked at this article earlier this week Dec 30 23:21:26 <Toprawa>	It seems ok Dec 30 23:21:31 <MasterFred>	agreed Dec 30 23:21:33 	Spare Dec 30 23:21:35 <Toprawa>	Spare Dec 30 23:21:36 <Imperators_II>	everything I brought up was addressed Dec 30 23:21:37 <MasterFred>	spare Dec 30 23:21:38 <Imperators_II>	spare Dec 30 23:21:43 <Toprawa>	Brangus Glee's species spared Dec 30 23:21:51 <Toprawa>	We Dec 30 23:21:55 <Toprawa>	We'll skip over Bog Dec 30 23:21:57 <Imperators_II>	same for Caysin Bog Dec 30 23:22:16 <Toprawa>	Oon Tien still has a minor wording issue that I think we can fix without the need for probe Dec 30 23:22:30 <Toprawa>	So moving on to Xexto Dec 30 23:22:34 <Toprawa>	I have a lot for this one Dec 30 23:22:59 <Toprawa>	1) The article refers to the species' six "arms" in multiple places Dec 30 23:23:01 <Toprawa>	It doesn't have arms Dec 30 23:23:05 <Toprawa>	It has six limbs Dec 30 23:23:07 <Toprawa>	See the source Dec 30 23:23:19 <Toprawa>	I also doubt the source says they had 24 fingers Dec 30 23:23:23 <Toprawa>	Those would be "digits" Dec 30 23:23:34 <Toprawa>	2) "Xexto were a sentient alien species, identifiable by their short stature" Dec 30 23:23:44 <Toprawa>	Short stature is completely not supported by the source Dec 30 23:23:50 <Toprawa>	It just says Gasgano was "slight" Dec 30 23:23:59 <Toprawa>	He could be an aberration of his species, for all we know Dec 30 23:24:12 <Toprawa>	Are there other indications of Xexto character heights? This should be checked. Dec 30 23:24:15 <MasterFred>	Having to switch computers. Dec 30 23:24:39 <Toprawa>	"They were rather short, with Gasgano standing at a height of 1.22 meters." is from that same section Dec 30 23:24:48 <Toprawa>	Again, completely unsupported Dec 30 23:24:57 	I'm not sure about the canon Xexto. Dec 30 23:25:00 <Toprawa>	All of that needs to be re-evaluated and rewritten Dec 30 23:25:17 <Toprawa>	3) We have a redlink Dec 30 23:25:27 <Imperators_II>	we STILL have a redlink Dec 30 23:25:40 <Toprawa>	4) There has been a sizable addition to the article from some comics Dec 30 23:25:46 <Toprawa>	Are there no other images to be used? Dec 30 23:25:51 <Toprawa>	Maybe even subsectioning and quotes? Dec 30 23:26:16 <Toprawa>	5) Consider expanding the intro a touch for these new characters Dec 30 23:26:36 <Toprawa>	The intro is currently from the original version of this article that passed, when Gasgano and Ferpil were the only Xexto Dec 30 23:26:52 <Toprawa>	What makes Ferpil so important to be mentioned in the intro if the other, new Xexto aren't? Dec 30 23:27:17 <Toprawa>	"Woodland" might as well link to Tree Dec 30 23:27:35 <Toprawa>	I think that's all I've got Dec 30 23:27:37 <Imperators_II>	why not Forest? Dec 30 23:27:42 <Toprawa>	Fine Dec 30 23:27:43 <Toprawa>	Forest Dec 30 23:27:46 <Toprawa>	I didn't know that was a thing Dec 30 23:28:23 <Toprawa>	Anything else from anyone? Dec 30 23:28:25 <Toprawa>	On this article Dec 30 23:28:39 <Toprawa>	"Wookieepedia has 10 images related to Xexto," according to the template Dec 30 23:28:44 <Toprawa>	Let's see some more in this article Dec 30 23:29:02 <Toprawa>	That "slight" bit is also in the intro, btw Dec 30 23:29:14 <Toprawa>	And the infobox Dec 30 23:29:16 	Should the BTS be updated to reflect these new sources? Dec 30 23:29:21 <Imperators_II>	also, I would like some more specific categorization, i.e., reflecting Xexto were from the Outer Rim Dec 30 23:29:32 <Toprawa>	Possibly, if there's important development for the species itself in them Dec 30 23:30:05 <Toprawa>	Ok, let's do it Dec 30 23:30:06 <Toprawa>	Probe Dec 30 23:30:17 <Imperators_II>	probe Dec 30 23:30:20 	Probe Dec 30 23:30:29 <Toprawa>	Xexto probed Dec 30 23:30:35 <Toprawa>	Let's see what's in The Bin. Dec 30 23:31:13 <Toprawa>	Quermian has a source update that's just shy of a month Dec 30 23:31:18 <Toprawa>	We'll get you next time Dec 30 23:31:21 <Imperators_II>	and a redlink Dec 30 23:31:27 <Toprawa>	Let's wait on it, then Dec 30 23:31:42 <Toprawa>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Otoh_Sancture Dec 30 23:31:44 <Toprawa>	Update needed Dec 30 23:31:52 <Toprawa>	Probe Dec 30 23:31:59 	Probe Dec 30 23:32:50 <Imperators_II>	update that's slightly over nine years... probe :P Dec 30 23:32:56 <MasterFred>	probe Dec 30 23:33:29 <Toprawa>	Otoh Sancture probed Dec 30 23:33:37 <MasterFred>	das a ferd article :P Dec 30 23:33:40 <Toprawa>	Any other articles from anyone? Dec 30 23:33:54 <Imperators_II>	no more from me Dec 30 23:34:05 	PROBE Dec 30 23:34:08 <Toprawa>	lolz Dec 30 23:34:18 <Toprawa>	Too late :P Dec 30 23:34:20 	Nah, I added the one I had to the list. Dec 30 23:34:32 <MasterFred>	XD Dec 30 23:34:32 <Toprawa>	Meeting duties, then Dec 30 23:34:42 <Imperators_II>	Tope wins Dec 31 00:00:02 *	exiledjedi is now known as exiledjedi|busy Dec 31 00:00:02 <Toprawa>	hmmm... Dec 31 00:00:09 <exiledjedi|busy>	Sorry, gotta run. Dec 31 00:00:15 <exiledjedi|busy>	Good meeting, Tope. Dec 31 00:00:20 <Toprawa>	No problem, EJ Dec 31 00:00:23 <Toprawa>	Thanks Dec 31 00:00:27 <Imperators_II>	thanks for your time, EJ Dec 31 00:00:37 <Toprawa>	Tope does paperwork and schedules Meeting 100 Dec 31 00:00:41 <Toprawa>	Thanks to everyone for showing up Dec 31 00:00:47 <Toprawa>	Meeting 99 is hereby concluded Dec 31 00:00:49 <Toprawa>	Happy New Year to all