Talk:Telekinesis/Legends

Force blast?
Some jedi chanel the force into destructive blast, like in the Dragonball series, would this just count as a concentraited force push, or as a more powerful use of the schwarts?

New appearances added
I have added a number of new sources where telekinesis has appeared or was used. I included all uses of moving objects mentally, such as Darth Maul's triggering of the doors in the Theed palace in Episode I that I can remember right off hand.

Could someone please update this to include the NJO, Swarm War and beyond? I don't have any of those books. Ditto on most BBY materials, because that's what libraries are for. What is the first book of the Kevin J. Anderson series that introduces Kyp Durron? I could not remember. TK also features in those video games with Kyle Katarn. If no one else fixes this, I'll do some research a little later.

Atarumaster88

i don't remember TK being used in a new hope? i only remember the force being used on minds
 * Vader's crushing of Motti's throat was an exercise in telekinesis. jSarek 02:14, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
 * In my opinion that was Force Choke, a seperate power from telekinesis.

Merging
This goes for almost all of the articles suggested, they appear to be completely different powers. I know in the games released that I know of, telekinesis doesn't exist unless you consider Force Push, and Force Pull, however in The Force Unleashed there appears to be a distinction, (Force Repulse from telekinesis) in the games however they seem to treat Force Choke and telekinesis as different as well, the only instance I can think of that would seem to indicate that Force Choke/Grip are the same as Telekinesis is in The Force Unleashed they were used at the same time, however there are many instances movies, games (KOTOR you lifted the chairs, Force Unleashed you threw the debree, Jedi Academy initially you can't lift someone with Grip), and EU in which Telekinesis was used in a way that is neither Force Push, nor Pull, nor Choke/Grip. So in my opinion it should not be merged. 2Corin 517 17:21, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

I agree; a merge would be counterproductive. These Force powers are listed in different sources as distinct abilities; mostly in video games and role playing, but not exclusively. Force Wind, which I hadn't heard of before, is apparently from I, Jedi. Force Choke/Grip (I do think those two should be merged together) has a popularity in its own right from the first movie. Force Push only really became a big factor in the prequel trilogy. Yes, they are all forms of telekinesis. But, with that argument, we could redirect every single aspect of the Force under the Force, from choking to mind tricks. We could merge the vast majority of firearms under the blaster article. The articles would be way too large, as it would in this case if we merged all of the Force powers there. Also, the word "telekinesis" is hardly mentioned in Star Wars sources, whereas all of these powers gain several mentions in their own right. Just my opinion. -BaronGrackle 17:30, 23 February 2008 (UTC) So it was! Merging Chain Lightning into regular Force Lightning is fine and dandy, mind you, but are you really going to place Force Choke here in this article, side by side with Force Push? I won't stop you or anything, but... man. So many of those articles are not stubs, and you are going to lose a lot of information if you don't want this page ridiculously large. Just have a look at Wikipedia's article on Telekinesis. Notice anything? There are links, all throughout the page, to different subarticles. Levitation, deformation, and thoughtform are only a few. If Wikipedia can justify an article on "levitation" separate from "telekinesis", should we really say that Force Choke/Grip is not distinct enough from other utilizations of telekinesis to merit its own article? Think about the other articles here. Should all firearms be merged under blaster? Repeating blaster, for instance, is the same thing as any other blaster, only it is used in a specific way. The vote decided that redundant or unnecessary articles should be merged, but that doesn't mean every similar article needs merging. With all that "telekinesis" emcompasses, what did you have in mind for a lead image? Someone using telekinesis to constrict a neck, someone using telekinesis to throw an object, someone using telekinesis to push someone else into a wall, someone using telekinesis to levitate, or someone using telekinesis to feed Padme a fruit? Merging some of these stubs is not a bad idea&mdash;I'm not saying it is&mdash;but the consensus you guys reached on that page was clearly not an all-or-nothing endorsement. Some things can be merged while others are left. -BaronGrackle 08:20, 15 March 2008 (UTC) Well, some people didn't like the Vader/Anakin merge, but they have to live with it, so people like me will just have to live with this, once it actually happens. Meanwhile, blaster, blaster pistol, and sporting blaster all have their separate pages. Moping aside, I'm sure it can all be made into a nice article. -BaronGrackle 22:27, 15 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It was decided at Forum:CT Archive/Merge Force Power variants? that all Force Power variants are to be merged, so any variants of Telekenisis, such as push/pull/choke and all the others are suppose to be merged here. 96.233.189.229 03:27, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Force Choke is simply using telekinesis to choke someone, it isn't a seperate or distinct ability, it is simply telekinnesis. The consensus was to merge force power variants. And Choke, Push, Pull, and all the others are all simply telekinesis used in different ways, they aren't really seperate abilities. Therefore they should all be merged here. Someone will have to merge them eventually. If you have a problem with which articles should or shouldn't be merged, maybe you should go talk to Darth Culator, since he was the one who added the merge tags to the article in the first place. 96.233.178.129 20:53, 15 March 2008 (UTC)

Dealing with the merging issue
Okay, I have thoroughly read the debate about the merging. I'm going to try and merge the different Force powers without making this article unreadable. Please add comments / return to previous versions if you think it is not worth it (if the merging appears to be an unhappy one). Darth Virs 17:11, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think you should revert it back simply because, until a consensus has been reached on the matter, the articles should not be merged. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 20:30, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * A consensus has already been reached. This makes it clear that the consensus is to merge all force power variants. 96.240.187.4 20:35, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Darth Virs, two things about this merge that I noticed: It looks like you haven't redirected any of the merged articles (after merging those articles here, you should have also redirected them here as well). Also, I noticed that there are a couple articles you forgot to merge, such as Saber barrier and Telekinetic lightsaber combat, both of them are variants of telekinesis, so they should be merged as well. 96.240.187.4 20:48, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, you should probably merge the Appearances, Sources and Behind the scenes sections from those articles into the Appearances, Sources and Behind the scenes sections of this article. 96.240.187.4 20:53, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Just a thing: Is there a consensus about that consensus? I mean: Are all these powers really TK-related? This is where I would follow JMAS. I have doubt concerning some of them, including "Up the walls", particularly, or even "Force flight", at least to some extent... Let's just clarify that, shall we? Because I think having like 100 "That article should be merged..." is just plain hideous, stupid, and really does not look encyclopaedia-like... I will deal with the redirections, etc. later on, I have not finished yet, that was just a first batch of merging. Darth Virs 20:57, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Another thing occurs to me: I am not sure how to draw the line between what look like game mechanics and actual Force powers. Somehow, all the choke/grip/crush, and the push/wave/whirlwind could be considered various "levels" of the same power. Is that any different from the famous example Improved Force Heal/Master Force Heal? I feel it is, but still, guidelines are not clear enough, that is for sure. Could anyone help me on that one? Darth Virs 21:18, 19 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Done. Darth Virs 16:57, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks! &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 22:32, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Mirta Gev being Force choked?
I think that it should be added that Darth Caedus choked Mirta Gev while he was trying to rescue Tahiri on Pellaeon's flagship.--Jedi Kasra 04:11, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Force choke
OK, I have one problem with the merging of Force choke into this article. I don't see Force choke as a TK power. TK related powers are, obviously, those using the force to move an object, make an object hover, etc. All the other variations of TK powers do seem to fit here, but I think Force choke (with all its sub-variants) is distinctive enough to warrant its own article. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 15:19, 29 April 2008 (UTC)