Wookieepedia:Comprehensive article nominations/Air Alderaan StarSpeeder 1000


 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a comprehensive article nomination that was unsuccessful. Please do not modify it.

Air Alderaan StarSpeeder 1000

 * Nominated by:  Stake black   msg 19:12, January 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Star Tours avalanche. Huge thanks to Lelal, who came up with the earlier versions of the template used for these StarSpeeder 1000 articles. Note: All these StarSpeeder 1000 articles are pretty much the same, with few minor changes. If you express support for one of them, kindly consider supporting the other ones as well if no objections are made.

(1 ECs/3 Users/4 Total)
Support
 * 1)  Commander Code-8  G'day, mate 00:14, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2)  501st  dogma ( talk ) 21:28, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) Winterz (talk) 14:37, January 25, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4) Supreme Emperor (talk) 04:07, January 28, 2013 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Could you give us some kind of timeframe?  501st  dogma ( talk ) 01:06, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * 2) *I knew there was something missing. Thanks for the heads up. I added a timeframe, but I'm afraid that's as specific as it gets.  Stake black   msg 02:08, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * 3) **Do we know that it did not fly during the Empire's time? 501st  dogma ( talk ) 22:33, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * 4) ***No, but the current wording doesn't exclude this possibility, I think.  Stake black   msg 22:44, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * 5) ****The Empire existed after the Republic's time, so I think it doesn't work. 501st  dogma ( talk ) 23:15, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * 6) *****How would you have put it? It seems "Rise of the Empire era" is OOU, so that'd be ruled out.  Stake black   msg 23:18, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * 7) ******How about prior to 0 BBY? 501st  dogma ( talk ) 02:52, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * 8) *******Done. I've also applied the relevant changes to the other StarSpeeder articles.  Stake black   msg 09:17, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * 9) CC-8
 * 10) * Sorry to be picky, but the Bts part about the confirmation of it being a Star Tours model reads more to me like a reference description rather than a part of an article. Do you think you could word it any differently? The same obviously goes for all of the other articles.  Commander Code-8  G'day, mate 10:27, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * 11) **No worries. Is that better? If so, I'll apply it to the other articles.  Stake black   msg 12:20, January 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * 12) ***Yep, I'll support the other ones once you do that.  Commander Code-8  G'day, mate 00:14, January 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * 13) ****Oh, you've done it now. Probably would've been best to notify me :)  Commander Code-8  G'day, mate 07:55, January 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * 14) Star Tours
 * 15) *The "Sources" section should specify the specific toy in the toy line using HasbroCite. See the "Sources" sections of articles like Lachichuk or Exar Kun's lightsaber for some examples of how to do it. The reference note should use it as well, instead of using Cite_web to link to jeditemplearchives.com. Also, note that HasbroCite uses Rebelscum.com. Follow the link to "Star Tours Photo Archive" on this page. Menkooroo (talk) 05:59, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * 16) **Addendum: I can't actually find this toy on Rebelscum.com --- where did you find the info about it being one of the diecast toys? The link you've included in the article to the Starspeeder 1000 Vehicle playset at jeditemplearchives.com is to a different vehicle altogether. Menkooroo (talk) 06:17, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * 17) * Also, is reserved for items in the "Appearances" section;  should be used instead.
 * 18) *Currently, "The Air Alderaan StarSpeeder 1000 was a modified StarSpeeder 1000 spacecraft used by interstellar travel agency Star Tours to operate flights bound for the Core World" is all sourced to the Empire at War strategy guide. That can't be right --- if you're intending to use the guide as a source for Alderaan being in the Core Worlds, then a reference to the toy line should be stuck in that sentence after the words "bound for the," so that only "Core World" is sourced to the strategy guide.
 * 19) *I think you'll need an additional source for Star Tours II being before 0 BBY. "The Incredible Journey" should do it; it mentions that Star Tours II takes place between Episodes III and IV.
 * 20) *Can you describe the shape of the ship, and maybe mention the placement of the passenger doors? Where does the astromech droid go (answer: astromech socket).
 * 21) *I think the BTS needs some more context --- explain what the OOU Star Tours is, and what it has to do with the Walt Disney Company.
 * 22) *I'd also like to see both Hasbro and the Star Tours toy line get namedropped in the BTS sentence that mentions the toy being released. Menkooroo (talk) 06:10, January 28, 2013 (UTC)
 * 23) **I've addressed some of the objections you raised, but I'm a little puzzled myself about some of the others. I'll see if Lelal can help. What do you mean by passenger doors, by the way?  Stake black   msg 13:12, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * 24) ***As regards the dating of Star Tours II, I suggest you to check ref 3 of the StarSpeeder 1000. What else do you need help with? --LelalMekha (talk) 13:23, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * 25) ****I need assistance with #1, really. About the whole diecast thing.  Stake black   msg 14:37, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * 26) *****There's here and here, which both confirm that the various Starspeeder 1000 variants were released as 1/64th diecast toys. Menkooroo (talk) 14:42, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * 27) ***Those vertical rectangles at the back of the ship are the doors through which the passengers enter. At least they were when I rode Star Tours last year. See the first paragraph of "Characteristics" here. Menkooroo (talk) 14:15, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * 28) ****Done.  Stake black   msg 14:37, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * 29) *Since the article has an intro now, remember that any and all info from the intro needs to be repeated in the article body. The article's at 237 words now, so with that in mind, and if you make those BTS additions I requested above, I think you'll have a great GA candidate right here. Menkooroo (talk) 14:44, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * 30) **Fantastic. About the Hasbro thing: they're not Hasbro toys. At least there's no official source saying that. BtS: Done. 282 words. How can I nominate this for a GA now, though?  Stake black   msg 16:00, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * 31) ***You'll have to archive this as a failed nomination and only then, nominate it for the GAN page. And this Stake, is why this page should have a limit of noms per person, now you'll probably have to take all the Star Tours ships to the GAN page. I really think you should reconsider your vote on the CT, considering this situation :) Winterz (talk) 17:38, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * 32) ****What I mean is, is there any special procedure or do I just call if off suddenly?  Stake black   msg 17:53, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * 33) *****There's an article linked in the top of the page instructing you on how to archive, besides that, which is pretty simple actually, I see no other "special procedure". You can wait, but I don't think Menk has much else to say right now, and I doubt someone will start reviewing furthermore this CAN knowing that you're going to take it to GAN. Feel free to go right ahead and archive it (you can also ask an EC to do it for you). Winterz (talk) 18:01, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * 34) **OK, I'm going to wait for his reply just to make sure his objections have been addressed satisfyingly.  Stake black   msg 18:46, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * 35) ***Do what you gotta do. Menkooroo (talk) 23:23, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * 36) ***Actually, a question: Ref [3] to the Star Tours toy line --- is that intended to be sourcing the original Starspeeder 1000 toy? Rebelscum doesn't have a link to that vehicle, but I think you can still use Hasbrocite minus the link, like:
 * 37) ****Thinking about it, no source explicity says this is a modified SS 1000. No source says that it flies to Alderaan either. It's just reasonable suspicion, I suppose.  Stake black   msg 00:18, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * 38) *****Since "StarSpeeder 1000" is part of the name, I think the former is a fair assumption. The latter, probably not. If you're going to keep ref [3], it should use HasbroCite to point to the Starspeeder 1000 toy rather than pointing to the more general Star Tours toy line. You can just use the code I posted above. Menkooroo (talk) 01:32, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * 39) ***Also, if it's not a Hasbro Toy, then the Star Tours toy line can't actually be listed in the "Sources" section. I guess you'll have to list the six-pack diecast set in the "Sources" section somehow, and remove the references to Hasbro and the Star Tours toyline in the BTS. Menkooroo (talk) 23:50, January 29, 2013 (UTC)
 * 40) ****I'm a little confused by this, could you be more clear?  Stake black   msg 00:18, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * 41) *****If it wasn't released by Hasbro, then it's not part of the Star Tours toy line. Star Wars: Star Tours toy line thus can't be in the "Sources" section, and you'll have to get creative and somehow list the diecast toyset in there instead. You should do some research on the matter first and see if you can find out whether or not the diecast toys were in fact released by Hasbro or not. Menkooroo (talk) 01:32, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * 42) ******The toy line itself wasn't made by Hasbro. Even its main article states: "Most figures released reflected the style of packaging of the regular Hasbro Star Wars collections being produced at the time."  Stake black   msg 01:44, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * 43) *******Ah. Well, in that case, you can use HasbroCite anyway for ease. We've always done that with the Star Tours toy line before. Don't mention Hasbro in the BTS, though. So, the "Sources" section should thus contain the following: instead of the more general Star Wars: Star Tours toy line. As for what I said about ref [3] above --- if you can reference any (or all?) of that information to, it will be best. If there's anything that can't be referenced to the diecast toys and that needs the original Starspeeder 1000 toy as its source, then reference it to . Make sense? Menkooroo (talk) 01:46, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * 44) ********Also, your current refs [1] and [2] could be folded into ref [3], using as the source. Save for the BTS mention of the papercraft model; that will still require what you're currently using as ref [1]. Menkooroo (talk) 01:49, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * 45) ********Are you very sure? Because that's technically incorrect. I could just use a C there, you know.  Stake black   msg 02:17, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * 46) ********* If information comes from a toy, then the toy should be the reference cited. Even if it wasn't made by Hasbro, HasbroCite is the correct way to cite a specific toy. It's how all previous Star Tours articles have been treated As long as you don't assert in the BTS that it was made by Hasbro, you'll be fine. Menkooroo (talk) 03:49, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * 47) *********Scratch that --- the toy line is made by Hasbro. See the packaging here, here, here, etc. Menkooroo (talk) 04:05, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * 48) **********Well, that makes it easier. See how you like the changes.  Stake black   msg 12:11, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * 49) ***********Be sure to cite instead of . Feel free to archive these noms any time and bring them to the GAN page, although I recommend initially GAnomming only one so that all of the kinks can be worked out of it before the others get a turn at bat. Menkooroo (talk) 12:43, January 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * 50) ************Done.  Stake black   msg 17:55, January 30, 2013 (UTC)

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