Talk:B1 battle droid/Legends

link titleThe Battle Droids and the Phase II Clone troopers are the Imperial Stormtroopers of the prequel trilogy. -- Eddyward Telerionus 18:52, 6 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * And... ? – Aidje talk 19:59, 6 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * See Talk:Revan, Aidje. --Imp 20:30, 6 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * I see. Apparently we like similarities... – Aidje talk 04:17, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Split it!
This article should be split in two. The B1 model refers ONLY to the non-colored infantry droid. The colored specialists, which have more intelligence and independence, are known as OOM droids, a separate model, and should have a separate article. Note that both Arms & Equipment Guide and the WOTC official site indicate the security, pilots, and officers (red, blue, and yellow) are all programmed variants of the OOM model. The droid marine probably is as well.JustinGann 10:59, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * This article does not need to be split. They were all B-1 battle droids, no matter what color. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:53, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * But we have individual articles for many other varients of weapons and droids. Why can't there be an OOM article? -- Riffsyphon1024 21:27, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * An OOM article, yes, but we don't have to split the article. They were are B-1s. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:30, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Nebulax, can you provide proof they are all B1s--that any save the infantry standard are B1s? I can provide proof they are not.  Arms & Equipment guide first indicated that the pilots, officers, and security were OOM models (with separate stats from B1s) and this was reconfirmed by Artificial Armies.
 * You mean you're getting stats from Wizards of the Coast? Come on, already. And plus, they are all variants of the B-1 model. I said that an OOM article would be fine, but they are obviously all variants of the B-1. I never said they were all the same, as they were obviously not. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:58, 9 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * WOTC is canon unless trumped by something. And they are not "obviously" all variants of the B1 model.  while physically similar, the OOM line is more independent, more intelligent, and more sophisiticated as far as internal programming goes.  They are SIMILAR to B1s, but not B1s.  In fact, the OOM line predates the B1 line by many years.  Note CoD, in which it is explained that the B1 was new as of 33 BBY, and was basically a dumb-downed version of the OOM.  This is the canon evidence, and unless you have some contradictory canon evidence other than what you feel is obvious, should be reflected on WIKI. ;) JustinGann 22:56, 9 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, if it's canon, then we should have an OOM article. But at least keep the majority of this article the same. Admiral J. Nebulax 23:02, 9 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, is there going to be an OOM command droid, OOM security droid, and OOM pilot droid or not? Admiral J. Nebulax 15:46, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

Gray B-1?
http://img59.imageshack.us/img59/1954/grayb18ve.jpg
 * It's probably just a blur because the droid was running when the picture was taken. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:13, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Or maybe its a B2 battle droid.

Pic?
Can we not get a better pic? We need one showing standard infantry droids, not security droids.
 * Not really; a B-1 battle droid is a B-1 battle droid. Yes, some were used as commanders, security officers, pilots, etc., but they all have the basic features. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:11, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I know they are all B-1s. We just need a more...generalized pic.
 * How do we upload pictures? I could upload several high-res pics showing each type of droid, or a low-res showing the first four, and another showing the marine.
 * Under toolbox, click upload file, and follow the directions. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:47, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you.
 * No problem. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:29, 7 May 2006 (UTC)

Compact Droid Storage
Exactly what is the size of a B1 when folded for compact storage? I assume it must be roughly one cubic meter, because I've seen people stating that Core Ships can hold 66 million of these creatures, and the only reference I can find is the 66 million cubic meter cargo hold. Which leads me to wonder why the massively larger full Lucrehulks Battleship would only carry some 229,000 going by the number of C9979 Landing Ships they carry.
 * Episode I Incredible Cross-Sections might state the size when they're in storage. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:53, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't believe that particular book does, at least I haven't been able to locate that information between its covers.--66.188.62.225 19:13, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Too bad. It would have been helpful. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 19:26, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Red Battle droids in AOTC
In AOTC, the B-1s on a Geonosis have a red tint to their bodies. This red tint also appears on a great deal of AOTC's merchandise. Should this be incorporated into the article?
 * I believe this article used to state they were used for desert terrain warfare. Since it has been removed, I believe that was fanon and that their peculiar colouring was given to all droids produced from the Geonosis factories.
 * I believe the red color was due to the minerals used to make the B-1s on Geonosis. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 10:55, 24 May 2006 (UTC)

Marine?
The marines are from BF2, and are not neccasarily canon.
 * Wrong. Droid marines are canon. The games go against canon; that doesn't mean everything in them is not canon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 23:50, 19 June 2006 (UTC)

Designation
Is the designation "B1" or "B-1"? I can't actually find the source of that designation - it doesn't appear in the films, scripts or Visual Dictionaries. CUSWE lists it as "B1", and the contents of the New Essential Guide to Droids, as posted on this Wiki, also call it "B1" (though that may be an error on the part of whoever posted it here; I don't yet have the book, so I can't check). I'll try and find the first use of the designation. If it needs to be changed, it would also affect B-2 battle droid and B-3 ultra battle droid - Kwenn 07:41, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll be getting the book by Monday, so I'll check it then. But, despite the fact that I'd prefer the "-" in there, there is the matter of the cortosis battle droid's designation apparently from the book: "C-B3 cortosis battle droid". "C" must stand for cortosis, but we're left with "B3", clearly showing that there were two types of the B3 or B-3. If TNEGtD says B1, B2, and B3, then we'll have to use those instead. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:09, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Personalities

 * Did anyone notice that in Episode III, B1 and B2 units seemed to have formed personalities. The B1 that handed Anakin and Obi-wan's lightsabers to Grievous says "you're welcome" sarcastically. The two B2s in the Invisible Hand's hanger show a dislike of astromech droids. Could this just be some quirk in the central control computer?--4.156.51.249 03:56, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * It's hard to say, but its likely they were upgraded with intelligence. -- Riffsyphon1024 04:25, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * They don't appear to be that much smarter. Actually, I think I may have a good explanation. B2 units were not controlled by a central control computer and that B1 unit may have been a commander, which would have intelligence apart from the central control computer.--Darth Oblivion 04:36, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Take it with a grain of salt. Droids were never meant to be smarted than sentient beings. ;) -- Riffsyphon1024 04:53, 5 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I think there are some droids smarter than sentients though. I guess it depends on the type of intelligence you are reffering to.--Darth Oblivion 04:59, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, the Separatist Droid Army wasn't controlled by a central control computer at all. The closest things was the deactivation signal sent from Mustafar. Anyway, I don't think intelligence has any role in this. Being around organic commanders might have been a strong factor. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 13:11, 5 July 2006 (UTC)
 * And going without a memory wipe for a long time is supposed to make droids shift away from their primary programming and develop personality quirks. R2-D2 is living (well, not-living) proof. These droids could have been around since pre-Battle of Naboo, and have developed a personality - Kwenn 16:12, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Camo Battle Droids?
http://starwars.com/community/event/con/f20060718/20060718_picview_hasbro/img/17.jpg --Rune Haako 15:54, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The color is probably different because they didn't want to sell the same AotC-style battle droids. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 16:59, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah but are they canon like the Neimoidian Warrior Commander since it was just a repaint also?--Rune Haako 17:02, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't doubt that some battle droids were painted differently. But I don't think it deserves a mention here or on any article. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 17:04, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. :)--Rune Haako 17:05, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, maybe a mention in the "Color" section here. Something like "Some B1 units were painted with different colors to blend into an enviroment". Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 17:10, 22 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Those are still too shiny to be camoflauged well. Oh well. &mdash; Aiddat (Holonet) (Contribs Log) [[Image:NR_Seal.svg|20px]] 12:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not like the CIS expects them to survive every battle. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * True. They look okay though. The camo ones in Battlefront 2 looked good, too &mdash; Aiddat (Holonet) (Contribs Log) [[Image:NR_Seal.svg|20px]] 12:36, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I suppose so. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:39, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Gungan Resemblance?


From this photo, doesn't it seem that Gungans and the B-1 Battle Droids look similar? It could be just me, but the long face, the long neck, the "pegs" on the back of the Battle Droid's head, and of course the joints and such. I'm not sure if it could be mentioned in the entry(not without listing countless other species), but I would at least guess the Droids might look to the Gungans like corpses as well.--RogueJedi86 18:18, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, one thing's for sure: B1 battle droids weren't designed to look like Gungans. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 21:01, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree about the face and joints but the rest looks quite different to me. Malak501 06:14, 09 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it was Patricia C. Wrede's junior novelisation of TPM that said that the Battle Droids resembled a Gungan skeleton...or was it a Neimodian skeleton? .  .  .  .  00:45, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't have the novel, but I do know they were meant to resemble Neimoidian skeletons. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 00:47, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Though that has, post-AotC, been retconned to be a vain Neimoidian belief, since they're actually modelled on their Geonosian creators. The NEGD even states some fearful 'moids see a resemblance with a rotting Neimoidian skull - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 18:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait, the Geonosians didn't create them. Unless there were some Geonosians in Baktoid Combat Automata that decided to make the droids look like them, I don't think so. And really, the B1s are based off Neimoidian skeletons&mdash;although those skeletons belong to concept art for Neimoidians. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:24, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's canon, the NEGD says so. There must have been Geos somewhere in the production stages - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 20:28, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That doesn't mean that they don't resemble Neimoidian skeletons, though. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:30, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not saying they don't, but in-universe, they're meant to resemble Geos - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 20:44, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * And possibly Neimoidian skeletons. For all we know, they were meant to resemble both. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 20:46, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * If I've understood well Labyrinth of Evil, the Xi Charrians constructed the droids and ships for the Trade Federation, and it's said in the book that the droids they designed the droids to resemble them.217.76.159.111 22:27, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Republic Commando Battle Droid
These is a version of the B1 Battle Droid that appears in Republic Commando that lloks different. Does anybody know why this is? it has odd rings around its 'eyes' and some colouring is changed. Should this be incorporated into the article? Here is the image (and yes, it is definitely different):
 * Isn't that just a type of Geonosisan soldier? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:25, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Erm... Don't think so. I mean, it's definitely a Battle Droid and not a Geonosian, and I seem to remember coming across an article in one of the designer diaries stating that they wanted to make the B1s look different for RC. I have a picture... somewhere...
 * Well, it would be very helpful. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 00:30, 18 September 2006 (UTC)



CommanderJB 10:25, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah. Well, since B2 is already taken, this is probably just a specialized variant. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 11:18, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd chalk it up to simply being the artistic license of the game. The website specifically identifies them as the regular infantry of the Trade Federation, so they're not anything really special. -LtNOWIS 22:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, I see. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 23:58, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree about artistic lisence - these droids are far too commonplace to be some kind of rare variant, and throughout Republic Commando there are aesthetic inconsistensies with the rest of Star Wars, such as the wookiees' size. This is probably just part of creating the game's atmosphere, which is far grittier than most Star Wars material. Darth NWNN 20:50, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

I doubt they're specialized, they aren't tough.--1upD 22:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

B1 battle droids part of the Zann Consortium?
According to the article Consortium Army (Which will soon be deleted) B1 Battle droids are part of the Zann Consortium. Are they really in this game? They could be cut out content. Or is this a joke?-User: Admiral jolyon
 * Probably fanon. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 02:45, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

If that is the case, I will remove that part from the article Zann Consortium as we deal with Canon information not Fanon. User: Admiral jolyon
 * Yes, we're all aware of that. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 15:14, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I think that fanon was there because many modifications for Forces of Corruption add the battle droids as part of the Zann Consortium army.--1upD 22:36, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

Colors
In the clone army. the clones with red on ther armor are captans. and the clones with yellow on ther armor are commanders. maybe it's that way with battle droids.Thire 4477 06:48, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, no. For battle droids, yellow is for commander, red is for security, and blue is for pilot. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:13, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

Thank you Thire 4477 01:07, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
 * You're welcome. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial_Emblem.svg|20px]] 12:05, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Voice
Does somebody know who voiced the battle droids in the films? In Star Wars: Clone Wars it was André Sogliuzzo.

They are stronger than they look.
I will not be able to provide an image (I do not know how to extract images from the DVD, and I am confused by technical explanations on the topic), but if you look closely in the background of the battle of the grassy plains (after the gungan shield is brought down, and before the droids deactivate), you will notice that some of the driods are successfully defeating gungans in hand to hand combat. Should this be noted? Wilhelm screamer 21:45, 30 January 2008 (UTC)


 * If you've got a standard keyboard and PC, press the Print Screen button to take a snapshot. It'll work as if you right-clicked and pressed 'Copy' on the image, so just go into o MS Paint or whatever and click 'Edit' and then 'Paste' and upload that for us. Then we can see what you're talking about. -- Zelda Death 01:28, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I've seen B1s fighting gungans in the battle, and I've seen B1s easily killing clone troopers in ROTS. The whole "weakness" thing is overhyped by the EU. VT-16 13:06, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
 * OK, I now restarting topics after a long time is not good but may I admit that "Jedi Trial" states that a B1 would be able to rip of a human´s ear.Commander Rob 13:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Compact/Deactivated Form
How bout adding a picture of a B1 Battle Droid in its folded up form? 98.166.57.204 04:45, 28 July 2008 (UTC)

1 quintillion
This number is a non-sense.


 * 333,333,333,333,333 B1 for each clone. Even by killing 1 B1 by seconde during one year without sleeping, eating or going to WC, a clone would only destroy 31,536,000 B1, hardly 1/10,000,000th the number of B1 he has to face...


 * Maybe 500.000 B1 in one Trade Federation battleship (standard cargo plus passenger capacity).

2.000 battleships, if this fleet even exists in SW universe, would carry 1 billion of B1, only the 1/1,000,000,000th of the total production. Do 99.999999999...% of B1 have to remain in their factories??? Does it worth to build soldiers you cannot transport?


 * Since Naboo, the future CIS would have built 3.17 billion B1/sec during 10 years. One seconde of production would be sufficient to overwhelm the poor 3 millions clones or rivals the hypothetic 2 billions stormtroopers during the Civil War...

Will Lucasfilm modify this weird number? (And get some mathematicians for numbers, cargo capacities, etc.)

Geopolis 08:38, 28 September 2008 (UTC)GeopolisGeopolis 08:38, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

B1 security battle droids???
How is it that in SSA-306, SSA-719 and SSA-1015 entries, these security battle droids are affiliated to "B1 security battle droids" while they're meant to be OOM-series security battle droids? Geopolis 04:29, 8 October 2008 (UTC)Geopolis

assualt droid
are the battlefront CIS assault droids merely to fill that trooper class or are they actualy a varient of the B1?-anonomos

Fanon
I noticed that the clone trooper that said the quote "For all the droidekas and superweapons that you destroy, the B1 will get you by the end of the day" is from a legion that is fanon. Could someone please get a different quote? We don't need fanon elements on Wookieepedia. JediCommando 02:07, 9 November 2008 (UTC)