Talk:Evax/Archive1

Appearances and Rank
I have removed the reference to Evax's supposed film appearance (he does not actually appear onscreen and is probably simply a cheap photoshop) and rank (he was previously identified as a Colonel, but his card only identifies him as an officer and his rank insignia is not the same as Colonel Yularen's). DeathSquadron 03:21, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Are you 100% sure he's not in the movie? He might be on wide-screen like Keed'akitkak (sp) and Brainiac. It doesn't look CGI'd or photoshopped, and I doubt Decipher would have gone to the work of that just to make a random guy like Evax. I seem fairly certain I even recall discussion of people talking about how to see him and the 5DR droid (a ISB droid) and that their on for mere seconds. I believe Evax is on just prior to Chewie, Han, and Luke (in trooper uniforms)getting to the turbolift. CBenoit 16:24, 26 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I am 100% sure that Evax is not in the film. While two ISB officials do appear in the turbolift scene, one is Colonel Yularen and the other is clearly younger than Evax, with longer hair. There is also the matter of his incorrect uniform: ISB officials (such as the ones in the scene) wear the rare single-breasted tunic rather than the double-breasted version common among most other Imperials. Creating images such as this was not uncommon in the SWCCG... Tarkin Seeker, Motti Seeker and all those awful Operatives come to mind. DeathSquadron 05:17, 27 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, technically speaking Evax isn't an ISB agent, except for the objective in the game-terms. It does not state in his lore that he is an ISB agent. Although, the ISB Objective states that any character with 'Rebel' in lore are considered/are ISB agents. And Evax's lore has the word 'Rebel' in it, thus why he is considered an ISB agent as per-game terms. Also, I quite know that Decipher has CGI'd cards (Seekers, BH ships, Operatives, etc. I've played the game since the day it was created. I know.) CBenoit 13:45, 28 March 2007 (UTC)
 * If you're so convinced that Evax actually appears in the movie, rather than being created artificially like all those other cards you listed, I think it's only right that you back it up with a screencap. A double-breasted ISB uniform would be a very interesting oddity. DeathSquadron 21:42, 16 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Uhh.... wouldn't the image on the Decipher card be a correct image? You are completly even missing the point of the debate. I say he's in the film, you say he's not. But the image on the Evax article, and on the Evax card shows that he's in the movie.
 * ....So what you need to do, YOU, is prove that the *CARD* is CGI'd, (or faked by Decipher) rather than me proving anything. Because as it stands now. The Decipher image clearly shows him being in the movie, if you cannot prove that the Decipher image is a work of CGI/fakery by Decipher, which is a cannoical source, than obviously he was in the movie. CBenoit 19:50, 17 April 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't quite understand your position in this dispute. You freely admit that Decipher artificially created images for use on cards, yet you seem to believe that this particular card is above suspicion. I personally believe that the onus is on you to prove Evax's supposed appearance in the film (rather than to simply write whatever you want while challenging me to disprove you). However, in the interests of resolving this dispute quickly and making the correct information available as soon as possible, I offer you the evidence you requested. :::::img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/acuteangle006/2004anh11303.jpg This frame is taken from 1:13:03 in the 2004 DVD version of ANH. Notice that the set and camera angle are identical to those in Evax's image, as are the poses of Luke and the olive-uniformed officer, right down to the creases in the officer's uniform. It is obvious that the artist responsible for creating Evax's card simply removed Chewbacca, Han and the Death Star Droid from this frame and pasted Evax's image in their place. I've already mentioned his unusual uniform, which does not appear in any of the films and was my first clue in unraveling Evax's true origin. I really don't understand your compulsion to make it seem like Evax appeared in the film, as it doesn't affect his canonicity in the slightest. Everyone knows that the CCG is canon, from names to background details to (in this case) entirely new characters. Evax just isn't visible in the film and we have to be careful not to mislead other visitors to Wookieepedia. DeathSquadron 04:16, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Decipher has CGI'd cards that were not in the movies, ala Mist Hunter, Hounds Tooth, IG-2000, etc. Why would Decipher need to randomally CGI some random guy? They could have called any guy in the foreground Evax if they wanted too.


 * The reason he is an ISB agent, is because of the ISB Objective (See: Special Edition Objectives). He is listed as an OFFICER on his card (See: A New Hope). Thus he is REALLY an officer, but only when the OBJECTIVE is on table, is he an ISB agent.


 * The ISB, according to DECIPHER, was a covert operation amongst the Imperials as a way to guard from themselves, (See: Numerous other attempts at institutions like this in various fiction, 1984, etc.).


 * I have NO reason to believe that Decipher would fake some random guy when they could have given it to any guy.


 * His insignia in the card image/picture/screen cap is of that of an OFFICER, because he was just that, AN OFFICER. He just happaned to _ALSO_ apparently be a ISB covert agent. (Reverting back to show his appearance in the movie unless you can further dispute this with a .gif or .avi or .mpeg that has the EXACT clip of the scene from which the card-caption is from and that he does NOT appear in it). CBenoit 13:23, 18 April 2007 (UTC)


 * ...I don't quite know how to reply to this. I have already gone out of my way to supply you with img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/acuteangle006/2004anh11303.jpg the exact frame from which Evax's image was created. It's hard for me to believe that you have been defending Evax's supposed appearance for nearly a month now and you still haven't actually checked the movie to make sure you're right. DeathSquadron 06:33, 22 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Yea, the horrors of me actually having a life. Gee, what was I thinking? Let me drop my two jobs, tell my wife and our soon-to-be-born daughter, and my school-work to take a hike, just so I can see if some random schmuck from some random part of the movie is actually there. You are so right! Gee, why haven't I wasted my ever precious time to do that! I get to spend about 30 minutes every other day, checking out sites, and this is one, and unfortunately lately, its been debating with you over something so pointless. I have explained to you why he doesn't have a ISB uniform, I have yet to get a chance to see the "exact" frame. And seeing as how we are the only two who are even talking on this, I doubt anyone else has looked it up/cared enough to either. Drop it. CBenoit 13:06, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * You have been given two chances to see the exact frame, I have supplied a link to it twice. All you had to do was click it. You seem unable to defend your position beyond contradictory statements ("I quite know that Decipher has CGI'd cards" later followed by "I have NO reason to believe that Decipher would fake some random guy") and distracting side arguments (paragraphs of information on the ISB, as if Evax's card lore is somehow relevant to his supposed appearance in the film). You also have no time to assemble your own evidence or even consider my own. Thus, I must remove the reference to Evax's appearance in the film. Remember, it says right underneath every edit box that "Submitted content must be from a canon source and verifiable-this means no fanon." If you wish to add in an appearance for this character, you need to be able to prove it. Just thinking that Evax is probably in the film is simply not enough. DeathSquadron 17:28, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Evax did not appear in ANH. However, since the two officers (the one in the movie and the one on the card) look similar enough, I added that they were probably meant to be the same person in the BTS section.  None of the frames in which the officer appears are clear enough to provide an image that could be put on a card, so Decipher had to create their own.  We can't say he's a colonel even though his plaque is the same as a colonel's except flipped; it's not identical and I haven't been able to find any other officers with this sequence.  I hope this settles the dispute. - Brynn Alastayr 01:55, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Decipher's CGI image renderings
After a rather lengthy read of the above back-and-forth exchange (ouch), I refer all parties to this rather old Decipher.com section of CGI card creation articles... or "Creating Reality." Note, one of my favorite characters/cards was also edited, Derek 'Hobbie' Klivian, or specifically, his left arm (which is blocked in The Empire Strikes Back). Decipher's artists regularly had to "Create Reality" in order to deliver certain images that simply were not available yet via canon while Decipher held LucasFilm licensing rights.

As to the Evax discussion itself I firmly agree that the Officer Evax image was partially, if not entirely, created exclusively for the card game. Given Decipher's track record though, and this article in particular as a credible argument (note: both cards appeared in the same SWCCG expansion set, "A New Hope") one could say that the ISB officer walking in front of Yularen was "intended to be Evax" or simply "inspired the character of Evax." Sure, some clever (for the time... the image was rendered as late as 1996) CGI touch-ups and such were probably used, but one could also argue that this probably led to a uniform, rank, and even ISB-affiliation that do not necessarily "fit" the film canon.

One more thing to consider would be that when rendering the particular "Officer Evax" card, a "stock image" from within the LucasFilm archives (production photos, on-set photos, etc.) that are not for public view, could have been used. Remember, Decipher had access to such material at the time. Such an image could have been the Evax character actor or it could have been some other actor wearing an Imperial uniform (with later image edits). Additionally, the specific edit could have been anything as simple as a uniform repainting, an image mirror flip, or whatever editing steps existed within CGI/photo editing programs of the mid-90s era. For example, many of the early editing Decipher's SWCCG cards had were very basic (and sometimes rough-looking) examples of "cropping," "smudging," or pictures cut and pasted on image backgrounds.

I can only speculate though as to how Officer Evax was developed.

Personally, I feel that because the Evax character itself has no film canon, his present rank of "officer" and affiliation of "Imperial Intelligence" are most fitting. The uniform itself could call forth arguments of a Saxton-scale. Ultimately though, whatever graphics artist actually rendered the "Officer Evax" card itself (or a representative "in the know" from Decipher or LucasFilm itself) would be the only surefire way to settle this argument as to Evax, his Imperial military/agency affiliation, and whatever the heck else people want to back-and-forth about.

In summary, Officer Evax is nothing more than a SWCCG-created, non-film canon character with no other source reference at this time. Oh, and in my old SWCCG tournament region, we referred to this card as Officer Earwax.

I hope some of this helps. JoelBray 07:36, 4 August 2008 (UTC)

Death
Does the Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia state that he died in the Battle of Yavin? Hanzo Hasashi 00:53, 9 May 2009 (UTC)