Talk:Revan/Legends

Think we should copy the "Revan as Master Planner" section over from wikipedia? I kind of like it. --Fade 15:33, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

Do it baby. But keep it IU. --Kosure 15:37, 5 May 2005 (UTC)

I also suggest incorporating it to the biography. This is somehow messy and repetitive that way. Moff Rebus 21:32, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Kreia/Kae
Aren't Kreia and Kae the same person? Both are described as being Revan's first master, female, exiled from the order, and having taught Revan how to leave the Jedi. -Imperialles 22:03, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Having played through the Sith Lords only once, I can only say I had never noticed it- but net searches seem to indicate it's rather hotly debated --Fade 22:12, 16 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Playing through recently, the game made a mention of Kae going to war (Handmaiden hates me, so that's all I know, and I can't remember much about Kae from my first play through) but that would indicate that she isn't Kreia, given that Kreia didn't go to war. --Fade 18:05, 1 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Title
Wait, shouldn't this be under Revan, as it was his real name before the Darth title was added, unlike later Sith. --Fade 18:20, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Yep, excellent point. --Imperialles 18:43, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * No, because it was Revan and Malak who started the whole "Darth" idea. This page should be marked under Darth Revan. For its Darth Revan most characters in KOTOR I & II refer too. Jasca Ducato 08:58, 28 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Male Lightsider
What exactly is the source for saying that male lightside is the official ending? After, all, Sith Lords leaves all options open. I imagine it'll be pretty controversial to keep it as it is without a source. --Fade 13:39, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC) 1)The question remains. In an RPG where the character determines the sex, appearance and powers of the character, how can there be "canon"??
 * The continuity guy (Leeland Chee) at the OS boards has confirmed the lightside ending is canon, and that Revan's sex will be "unspecified for the most part". If possible, the article should be rewritten in a non-gender specific way, but that may be difficult. QuentinGeorge 22:32, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * We could just include a disclaimer; "Revan's gender is specified by the player. For the purposes of this article, masculine references were used for the sake of simplicity"- something like that. It's better not to have that official male bit, considering we have no direct source for it, and that female Revan is just as, if not more, popular than male. --Fade 22:38, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * (Among others) Dan Wallace confirmed that Male Revan is the offical stance. Tam 15:21, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)

2)Who are Leeland Chee and Dan Wallace, and why is their word gospel?
 * The player may determine anything, but there is only one option that actually "happened" in the fictional universe. So if you play a DS Revan, then your story never happened. It must be decided for the purposes of continuity, so that further authors who refer to the KOTOR era can base their works on the canonical story. (KOTOR II shows an alternate way by allowing the player to choose the first game's ending, but KOTOR III probably won't, because implementing all 16 combinations would be nearly impossible.) Leland Chee is the Keeper of the Holocron and the one responsible for continuity management, and Dan Wallace... well, just read the article. - Sikon 13:17, 20 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Sabre style
Anyone know what lightsaber style Revan used, before or after his 'death'? Just wondering; the one he uses aboard the ship (picture on the page) resembles Sidious'. I thought that was pretty cool when I saw epIII, considering KotOR was made long before.


 * Judging from Revan's stance against Bastila and the Jedi strike team (just before Malak fires upon him), it looks as if he's using Form IX: Shien, most noteably because of his lightsaber facing his opponent horizontaly. However, it's also likely that Revan used Form X: Niman / Jar'Kai, because of his appearnce with dual-lightsabers in KOTOR II. Juding from just how powerful a figure Revan really is, it would not surprise me if he was a master of both Forms, choosing one depending on the situation. --Raganork 05:57, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Image
That image looks awful, which is why I replaced it in the first place. I'll try an dig up a better one. Can we delete the crap one if I fond one? --Fade 17:50, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC) It's just that the actual quality of the images isn't that great. I don't really want to say it, because I grabbed it, but I think the first shot is perfect. Perhaps I can grab one from the 'revelation' scene, just before Revan removes their mask. I should be there in the next day or two. --Fade 20:59, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * That one gives a pretty good head-on view of the character. It also avoids revealing a gender. This one any better? --SparqMan 18:59, 19 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Leviathan
EDIT: Oops, forgot to count Dantooine. My bad. Lord Patrick 05:16, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Knight?
Was Revan a Knight by the end of KOTOR I? He was only a Padawan during the game. And was Bastila granted Knighthood anytime between the two KOTORs? - Sikon 05:12, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)


 * It is hard to believe that Revan wouldn't be knighted after striking down a Dark Lord of the Sith. Although you don't hear much about Revan afterwards, it is highly unlikely that he wasn't. As for Bastila, she was already a Jedi Knight in KOTOR I, assigned to help Revan. She also at one point believed that if she completed her task of helping Revan, she might even become a Jedi Master. --Raganork 06:05, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Revan was a Knight before he went to fight in the Mandalorian Wars. --Imp 06:58, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Bastila was a Padawan in KOTOR I. (Master Zhar to the player: "Padawan Bastila you are already familiar with".) - Sikon 07:32, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Fall to the Dark Side
Does anyone know when Revan actually fell to the Dark Side? KOTOR I shows that Malak and himself turned to the Dark Side as early as finding a Star Map on Dantooine, while KOTOR II tells that Revan was consumed by the Dark Side on Malachor V. Anyone have a logical explanation for this inconsistency?--Raganork 06:32, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, he obviously was on Malachor V before going after the star maps. --Imp 06:58, 22 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, Revan and malak never fell to the Darkside until after the Mandalorian War. In the cutscene with them in the Rakata temple on Dantooine Malak actually says something on the lines of "If we enter this room we shall be taking our first steps [towards the darkside] and shalln't be able to return". Jasca Ducato 08:12, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * That assumes you completely disregard the Chronicles which seems to be a popular thing to do, despite the fact that they also have to be considered canon since they are done with Lucasarts approval. The Chronicles state that Revan fell to the Dark Side immediately upon discovering Malachor V. This trend of people ignoring the Chronicles because they are unpopular is a strange one.--67.187.144.76 14:31, 20 Sep 2005 (EDT)

Similarity to Darth Vader
Like Darth Vader, Revan wears an armor that covers most of his body. -- Eddyward Telerionus 15:55, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC) But look at the picture again, do you see the armor? -- Eddyward Telerionus 20:45, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Right... Why are you telling us? Also, Revan wears robes and a mask, not armor. --Imp 16:05, 5 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, the torso and hand area's look pretty armour-ey to me. Personally, I like the concept of armour-robes in general (apart from the obvious mobility problems) Lord Patrick 08:19, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * But look at the picture Imp, Revan was wearing armor. You can't see his face. -- Eddyward Telerionus 02:52, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * The reason you can't see his face is because he's wearing a mask, not armor. And even if he was, what's your point? MarcK 03:17, 8 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Revan as a Sith Lord wears chest,leg and arm plates made of a type of armor. It is not like a armor suit like a Mandalorian but rather a unique design probably fashioned by Revan or a Sith warrior. The mask (despite having a resembelance to Mandalorian armor) is not connected to armor in anyway but is rather a simple face mask. Darth Revan also wears black robes with a hood over his body. The armor in the end is not a full suit but rather robes with armor plating and gauntlets. - Maphisto86
 * Also note that Vader needed his suit to survive, and Revan does not. -- Riffsyphon1024 19:20, 12 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Well, is there a picture of Revan as a Jedi without the mask and armor? -- Eddyward Telerionus 00:45, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, John, he did survive without his mask and robes in KOTOR... --Imp 00:48, 14 Aug 2005 (UTC)


 *   "Well, is there a picture of Revan as a Jedi without the mask and armor?"   Err, NO! The hole point of the game is that you don't know who Revan is until the Leviathan level. So why would they post a picture of Revan without his suit of armour! That completely ruins the surprise! No offense, but i would see it as common sense. Jasca Ducato 17:45, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Canon Male
Perhaps we should add a "Since Light-sided male is the canonical ending, this article will refer to Revan as a male" or something like that like they do on Wikipedia.


 * The article on the Jedi Exile certainly makes has no such bar. User:SFH


 * What? -Anon

The name's Revan, Darth Revan
Perhaps we should change the page name from "Revan" too "Darth Revan". This article is after all about a Dark Lord of the Sith called "Darth Revan". I mean, there are two articles for Malak, one for him as a Jedi and one for him as Darth Malak. I think it should be changed. Thats all! Jasca Ducato 18:24, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Uh, there's only one article for Malak. Kuralyov 18:30, 31 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Darth Malak redirects to Malak. Darth Revan redirects to Revan.
 * The article is entitled Revan because he did not bear the Darth title as a Jedi. Out policy states that any title which was not used absolutely all of the time is not to be included in the article title. – Aidje talk 22:08, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)

So Darth Vader Never used the title as the Jedi Anakin, but you have him listed as Darth Vader?--192.31.106.35 12:59, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Wookieepedia consensus (which, in this case, I heartily object to) insists that Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader are fundamentally two different people, while the other Darths (including Darth Sidious, AKA Palpatine) are not. jSarek 20:22, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Malak, Just a Friend?
I thought he was Revan's Padawan? And Revan was a Jedi Master... before his mind was wiped of course
 * No he wasn't. Revan was barely a Jedi Knight. QuentinGeorge 06:08, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)

KOTOR 2 Chronicles on KOTOR2:TOS states he is a Jedi Master razzy1319
 * The KOTOR 2 chronicles are notortious for being filled with mistakes regarding what they describe. evan being a Jedi master is one of them. Jasca Ducato 15:24, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * And suggesting that the DS ending of KOTOR I was true, that Revan was already a Sith during the Mandalorian Wars, that Exile was a Jedi Knight, etc. In KOTOR I, it is explicitly said: "Two Jedi Knights, Revan and Malak, defied the Order <...>". Maybe we should email Leland Chee to confirm the Chronicles' level of canonicity? - Sikon [ Talk ] 15:44, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Always thought that jedi knight was more of a title for all jedi master, knight or padawan. And cant see any errors in Chronicles... could someone point them out.
 * Point them out? Lets see... how about the enitre thing! Jasca Ducato 16:07, 25 Oct 2005 (UTC)