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Darth Krayt?

 * I'm just putting this up because I saw it so many times on the Darth Krayt talk page, but... is it really meant to be? Are the writers of Legacy planning to make Jacen Solo... Darth Krayt?
 * I don't know, but I'd like to hear it from you, the GFFA's loyal fans. MTFBWY. Adas Xendor 00:12, 6 September 2006 (UTC)


 * 121 years old in 130 ABY. Definetely stasis or something for that to be. -Finlayson 14:03, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Darth Krayt is known to have gone into stasis, IIRC. So it seems likely. There is the date discrepancy for when he founded his Sith order, but I would imagine that can be resolved (maybe a retcon is needed, I don't know). The problem I see is that this leaves the Legacy series kind of strangely off, without a good conclusion for his Sithiness besides "goes into stasis" (as opposed to, say, leads a rebellion or is redeemed or...) Greedo 17:57, 7 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you for responding! I'm overjoyed to receive posts, and I hope you write more. Now, I'll just let you alone to talk... MTFBWY! Adas Xendor 22:36, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think it will be Darth Krayt, unless Krayt changes his name to just that. The only reason I say this is that I just noticed an article on www.starwars.com today saying that online users can enter a drawing to come up with the new Sith name in the upcoming book "Sacrifice," and I can only assume that it's for Jacen.  It was a good idea, though, considering that Darth Krayt does go into some kind of stasis.

Darth Krayt and Jacen are completely different individuals. Look up the Darth Who contest. There is a contest going on right now were registered members of starwars.com can vote on Jacen's Sith name. 159.250.23.2 14:31, 6 February 2007 (UTC) OR Darth Metus 14:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC) Ben has sparring vong armor and also darth krayt has vong armor .189.149.104.217 02:52, 24 May 2007 (UTC)Camar skywalker
 * Even though it is highly unlikely I do believe that Jacen could become Darth Krayt, because they in some of their quotes shar some of the same statements, like "Sometimes things have to be broken to be rebuilt" even though this is almost impossible, If I were given a choice of which Sith in the Legacy Era Jacen becomes I would say Darth Krayt. Derek Yoda&#39;s friend 03:19, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

i konw that fact 189.149.104.217 22:00, 1 June 2007 (UTC)Camar Skywalker
 * True we cannot completely rule out Ben as people in the star wars universe can lie, in this case Kray claims he is 121 year sold but it isn't necessarily true.After i discovered a few events, I think he is even mor eprobable than Luke to turn to the dark side because of one event that i cannot reveal because it is a spoiler.Darth Rayze 23:03, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

We can't rule out Luke either.For those who read Betrayal, Lumiya used a power that allowed her to create Force Ghosts that could fight other living beingds or communicate with other living beings.Luke may have learned the same power turned to the Dark Side taking the name Krayt using this power to influence his newest descendant with his own image as the Force Ghost.You never knowDarth Rayze 14:23, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Luke is dead as of Legacy. It has been confirmed by John and Jan. - Sikon 18:13, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Sith name?
What's his Sith name? What comes after the Darth?--Chili14 03:43, 25 September 2006 (UTC) In Insider #90 is says the fans get to choose by going to darthwho.com but it doesn't work. User:Hodayc Grr, what happened to Darth Krayt?! Greedo 06:38, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * This has not been revealed. If I recall correctly, Lumiya has told him he will not receive a Sith name until he has completed his initiation into the Sith order by destroying the thing he loves most. - Breathesgelatin 04:09, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It's pobably a name that will mean something or a name describing his character like Vader which meant father. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg|25px]] 22:13, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Probably just not set up yet. - Breathesgelatin 02:52, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * It works now. http://www.starwars.com/darthwho --72.65.153.66 00:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It doesn't. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg|25px]] 00:07, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Oops, try it now. http://www.starwars.com/darthwho --Rune Haako 00:09, 4 October 2006 (UTC)
 * But i can't give my sith name. How do i do that? User:Hodayc
 * Thanks it works. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg|25px]] 00:21, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

He went on to better things, like taking over the galaxy and abolishing the Rule of Two. (A terrible decision BTW) 159.250.23.2 14:43, 6 February 2007 (UTC) OR Darth Metus 14:46, 6 February 2007 (UTC)

Jacen's Sith name is here and there all over this site. The notice of pages with Sacrifice spoilers will quickly lead to it. SithGirl132 21:06, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

here's a question then... it's pronounced "SEE-dus," right? Because of the latin root? Staypuft9 05:31, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Dunno actually. I was reading it as "Cay-dus" myself. --School of Thrawn 101 05:33, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

5.2 Factual correction - Events during "Traitor"
Hello there, I've just been reading the article about Jacen Solo, specifically the events that occured during the NJO book "Traitor". I have noticed a couple of factual errors about these events. In the article, it is said that Jacen escaped to the vongformed coruscant by using his vongsense. This is quite wrong. During the battle in the nursery, as Jacen was about to kill the last world brain Vergere appeared and tried to pursuade him not to kill his "friend". When this failed, she used her force altered tears to put Jacen to sleep. Jacen and Vergere were then released by Nom Anor onto the surface of Coruscant as part of the attempt to break Jacen and make him believe in the Vong Religion.

The second error I noticed was about incident with the gigantic Vong creature and the people living therin. The article states that Jacen goes on to kill those he found inside. This is also wrong. When the young girl he rescues turns on him, he grows angry and implants a thought into the creature's mind using his animal empathy saying that all humanoids are poisonous. This causes the creature to vomit the contents of it's stomach and holding sack before closing up and not allowing re-entry. Those people inside the creature were alive and well when Jacen left them, though they did accuse him of killing them as they no longer had their "safe" place to live.

These facts can of course be verified by reading the book more carefully. I hope that this can be corrected and the article updated.
 * Well I cant find fault in your logic in the first "mistake". But on the second, the book says (going off of memory) "'How many did you kill?' said Anakin. 'All of them, none of them...'" he didn't directly kill them, although he may have sparked the events that cause their death at the hands of Vong creatures or the Vong themselves. Fact, he didn't use his vongsense to get off of the ship but he used his Vongsense to lead to his departure. Darth Balls 00:54, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

I agree with both of the points brought up by the first poster. I think that the changes should be made. - Afalker 05:31, 23 December 2006 (UTC)

I also agree with the first poster. DawnStrike 13:20, 22 January 2007 (UTC)

Please, can someone change or remove the line about ". He had other plans, and in his rage, like his grandfather and the Tusken Raiders, he killed them all. Lost and confused, he went on." As has been mentioned, Jacen did not physically kill them, he convinced the Vong creature to vomit the survivors up and then left them to their own devices. This act in no way measures up to Anakin Skywalker slaughtering the Tuskens after finding his mother dead and makes that particular part of the article rather misleading

It's been a long time since I've checked this page again, and frankly, I'm rather upset this particular mistake is staying put... : "The survivors accused him of being the last and then tried to send him on his way to the stomach. He had other plans, and in his rage, he killed them all." This is an encyclopedia people. We're trying to present the facts. The facts are he set a freed a lot of people from a animals belly, and set them free. And that's IT. We don't know how many if any survived out in the Coruscant wilderness. You might mention that these people lost their relative safety due to Jacen. But to state he killed them outright is a gross stretching of the truth, and not worthy of the work we do here. DawnStrike 16:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

As it looks like I will have to quote straight from the book to get this more accurate, here we go... top of page 194 of the Traitor paperback.(I have no problem with this being removed if needed once changed as it is copyrighted material) "No longer could they pay for safety from the Yuuzhan Vong with the lives of others. You've killed us, someone sobbed, you've killed us all. Jacen had stared at them, icy with power. Not yet. These soft, weak, contemptibly treacherous creatures, he could imagine nothing more loathsome. He'd turned his back on them. Walked away. He'd left them to the Yuuzhan Vong, and to each other."''' ''' Hopefully now we'll get something more accurate written up as we now HAVE a quote from the book here on the site.

I fixed it. Any input? DawnStrike 1:51, 10 April 2007 (UTC)

Much better. perhaps changing the wording to "lost and confused, he left them to their fate and went on" ("moved on" sounds better to me, but it's up to those who can edit this page) or perhaps "lost and confused, he went on, leaving them to their fate"

Also, if someone could look into the first part of the complaint too, it would be appreciated. From Jacen's perspective he was knocked out by Vergere using her tears in the Creche and when he next awoke, he found himself on coruscant/Yuuzhan'tar.

Thank you for your help Dawnstrike

Bane's Order?
As a Sith, I would automatically think to put Jacen in Bane's order. But with his training and probably with the way he may continue the order, I don't think he belongs there anymore.SithGirl132 21:09, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, I dunno who placed him there, but Bane's order died out with the deaths of Vader and Sidious. Even Lumiya says so in Betrayal. In tempest she says there are more Sith out there. This casts serious doubts on, and refutes, the theory that Jacen is apart of Bane's Order. I feel this should be removed. DarthMalus 13:44, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Jacen's Time Walking

 * Correct me if I'm wrong here, but I've been reading the legacy of the force books, and Jacen seems to have gained some special abilities in the force that no other jedi of sith seem to be capable of. The one I am particularly interested in is "time Walking". This power essentially allows Jacen to visit events (as a spectator only) in the past or future.My question is, is there another name for this force power besides Time Walking, because I can't seem to find any mention of it on wookieepedia
 * Flow-walking is the name, IIRC. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 13:17, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

You have to remember even though the Rule of Two died at the hands of Darth Vader, its true that the "True" Sith are still out there somewhere. Which is what Darth Revan went out to do 4000 years BBY once he killed Darth Malak he went out in search of the "True" Sith empire. So yes, there are bound to be more Sith out there. As long as the mystery surrounding the "True" Sith is not uncovered till then will the Galaxy & the Jedi have to be on the look-out.

Name pronunciation
I was wondering... Is it "Djay-ssen" or "Djaken" or something?... I suppose it's like Jason? Identical or with a slight difference? Can anyone help? Thanks! Klow 17:09, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Check the Behind the Scenes section under Name.

Song Reference
There is a song that (to me) represents some of Jacen's actions during the Legacy era, as well as events that take place. The song is Lost In Space by the Steve Miller Band. some of the lines that correspond are: There is a few more here and there, but they don't blurt out like these. Jedipilot94 23:44, 29 April 2007 (UTC)
 * "Wake up, wake up, wake up and look around you..." Luke can't seem to grasp the things that take place. Jacen is obviously taking the dark path.
 * "...And the time is our own..." The people of the galaxy have brought these bad times upon themselves.
 * Did you feel the love that was in the air?" Reference to Jacen and Tenel Ka's marriage.

The Episode II Love Theme comes to mind... DawnStrike 00:45, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Hero Cycle??
Is this legitimate Wookieepedia material? There are many books, articles and theories on common features shared by mythical heros, but I don't see how it adds anything to this article. Its seems to be wedged in for no reason. I think the material on the hero cycle should be removed.

K

Anakin Skywalker and Luke Skywalker have the same kind of hero cycle, and as Jacen is pretty much the main character in EU currently, then I see no problem with having this, especially as his story fits rather well with the hero cycle. Rouge77.

Yes, it fits, but it also fits for almost every other hero in star wars. this section doesn't add anything significant to the article. - Tikaheta Jacen seems to fit the pattern of the tragic hero, according to the hero's quest format. Kind of like Anakin Skywalker. A hero has a bright future and then is brought down by inner flaws and fate.SithGirl132 21:13, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Can anyone give a compelling reason to keep this section? - Trip 03:47, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Mara
He kills Mara?! No!!! Jacen Solo, you have unleashed the wrath of Luke Skywalker. May the Force have mercy on you. I hope Luke just destroys Jacen. I mean I'd like to see him hit with a Galaxy Gun projectile. Seriousy, I'm sorry, I'm just shocked and furious. The Legacy era is turing into a catastrophic disaster, IMO. I don't know who said it, but I'm starting to think Krayt could be Ben. Man, I just can't believe it. Jacen has sunk so low. I hate 95% of the post-ROTJ EU. Chack Jadson 23:43, 18 May 2007 (UTC) Where is Mara? Is she safe? Is she alright? It seems that in his anger, Jacen killed her. What!? He... He couldn't! She was alive I felt it! Noooooooooooooooooooooooooo! and what about those mandalorian guys, their gay
 * I liked it better when they were stealing ideas from the prequel trilogy. Now they're taking ideas from the NJO. -- SFH 03:59, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Thank you for the free spoiler guys... I was hoping to have surprises on Sacrifice but I guess staying away from Jacen's history was not enough, I'll just stay away from the BtS section and the talk page too for the furure books. --Petiflo 10:57, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
 * it sucks, that chack didn't throw up a spoiler warning... i guess i will have to.Darth Balls 06:19, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sorry guys. I feel bad about it. Chack Jadson 22:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * wtf? that belongs up in the proper section #1 and #2 it could NOT be allana or we have the first transgendered human character in Star Wars history. and Star Wars isn't THAT liberal. Ben freaked out when jacen and tenel ka had a child out of wedlock...


 * Huh? Chack Jadson 22:52, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I saw this before the spoiler warning went up too, but sooner or later my curiosity would have gotten the better of me ;). Don't worry, it was an accident. Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 05:02, 24 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Holy.....I really have not been following this series at all. Mara was nowhere close to being a favorite character of mine. But I am SO sorry I read this particular spoiler nonetheless Lalala la 01:55, 27 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm taking care of the HUGEASS spoiler being put in the INTRO to the page... that's rediculous. Piequals3 08:13, 7 July 2007 (UTC)
 * ...and I reverted it. There was already a huge spoiler tag on the top of the article, and having those spoiler tags in the middle of an intro is equally "rediculous".  StarNeptune Talk to me! 15:55, 7 July 2007 (UTC)

FA?

 * If Jacen's FA status has been removed, then why does this page still say it's an FA? Should I change it? Hobbes15 ( Tiger Headquarters ) 05:07, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Move to Darth Caedus?

 * I'm just sayin'. 000 15:11, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I think Darth Caedus should redirect to Jacen Solo, just as Darth Vader redirects to Anakin Skywalker.SithGirl132 21:07, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not too sure about that, Darth Vader is instead Anakin Skywalker, his real name, same with Darth Tyranus being count dooku. Darth Odious 01:04, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * No, it should stay under Jacen Solo. Chack Jadson 01:15, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Well...he's now..."currently" officially called Darth Caedus. I say yes for the move. Thefourdotelipsis 06:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I too think that Darth Caedus should redirect to Jacen Solo as the future is always in motion. We don't yet know what Jacen's ultimate fate will be.Servo 01:36, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

Darth Vader redirects to Anakin Skywalker because at the end of RotJ he is Anakin once more and Vader no longer. At this time in released source material Jacen is still Jacen, when he is called (in-universe) Darth Caedus we WILL move it and have Jacen Solo redirect to it. If he ever redeems himself we will move it back.Darth Balls 04:03, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Let's wait until Inferno comes out. If he goes by Darth Caedus then, then we can consider changing the name.RushinSundaws 01:39, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Palpatine was always Darth Sidious. Dooku was always Darth Tyranus. Yet they never went by these names publicly. - Sikon 13:21, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm against moving it for two reasons: 1) the Inferno DP (as well as all other official OOU sources) still call him Jacen, not Caedus. 2) the Inferno excerpt still had him thinking of himself as Jacen as opposed to Caedus, and the narration still referred to him as Jacen, not Caedus. It seems clear, so far, that the whole 'Caedus' bit was just a big gimmick that, like most other plot developments in LOTF, will be overlooked. Kuralyov 02:15, 22 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ditto to Sikon and Kuralyov's comments. Oh and Darth Balls, I really don't think you are in a position to dictate what WILL or WILL NOT happen on Wookieepedia. - JMAS 02:20, 22 July 2007 (UTC)

Hero cycle
Unless LFL or another source confirms all that stuff, isn't it considered OR and supposed to be removed?  StarNeptune Talk to me! 04:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

I agree with StarNeptune, plus that thing can be disputed. I think if LFL did create it, it would have been wriiten better for one. but if it was approved by LFL i apolagize.--Darthcaedus 23:38, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

It is very true, but since it is not actually confirmed by Star Wars or LFL canon, it should go on some kind of speculation page. yes, Jacen is the tragic hero, but the only confirmation we would get of that is to go to a reference book, find out what the pattern of the tragic hero is, and use that as a reference. SithGirl132 18:28, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Jedi guardian
why jacen is listed as a guardian, is fanon or what?
 * Apparently it is cannon, from what I saw in the Jedi Guardian article. And guys please sign your comments and questions. --Petiflo 13:10, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Nelani Dinn
Nelani is currently listed as one of Jacen's apprentices. Correct me if I'm wrong, since I haven't read Betrayal in a while, but when was she ever his apprentice?
 * I belive it mentioned he tought her 7 years before, which would be while he was still on his 5 year galctic force trip.
 * It is said he taught her some Lightsaber Forms of combat. But it wasn't during his journey, the number of years given in the book is wrong. --Petiflo 13:03, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * There is no evidence that the dating is a continuity error. See Behind the scenes of Nelani Dinn's article for more info. Oyam5000 16:09, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

New Ability
At the end of sacrifice, Jacen realizes he does have that special ability Dark Lords have to see and know everything, like Lumiya was talking about. Shouldn't we mention that under the appropriate subheading in this article? DawnStrike 20:46, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Dante ?
I'm not quite sure about this, but if any of you have a copy of Dante's Inferno please check, but wasn't Caedus one of the betrayers in the deepest ring of hell along with Brutus? This makes sense with his character, and remember the '20 Most Memorable Moments of the Expanded Universe'? Jacen Solo Descends into the Rings of Hell was one of them...- --Lardlord 17:38, 29 June 2007 (UTC)