Talk:Galen Marek/Archive1

Name of article
So the naming convention of articles are usually: 1. what he was best known as, or 2. what he was last known as. So my question is, which takes precedence? He was best known as Starkiller (at least in the comic, that was all he was ever called...they just happen to mention his name). However, it indicates that he may have given up the name Starkiller after finding out about his heritage. But even after that Juno still calls him Starkiller. I guess this can be most likened to Anakin/vader. He went from anakin to vader and back to anakin at the end, but he was best known as Vader. The article is named Anakin...so I guess I answered my own question...does everyone else agree: Galen Marek is the proper article name...following same rules as Anakin Skywalker? Although I think that "Starkiller was the codename" should be changed...there is no indication that Vader gave him any other name. This was not his code name, but his actual name for a good portion of his life. IthinkIwannaLeia 21:48, 26 August 2008 (UTC) I think that Starkiller is the better name for the article, not just because he was widely referred to as Starkiller for almost all of his life, but also because its more easily recognizable, and also its a very important name in star wars. Shudlin 07:21, 17 September 2008 (UTC) I never read the novel okay. And thanks for answering my questions. Check out my page at Star Wars Fanon : LordDeathRay ! LordDeathRay 21:55, 23 December 2008 (UTC)
 * We tend to use what they died as. There are exceptions though, like in the case of Palpatine. And we don't name articles simply because they are more easily recognisable. No-one really bothers to remember Thrawn's real name (is it Mithh'raw'nuruondo?) but we still use it as his article name. Soresumakashi 07:35, 17 September 2008 (UTC)
 * See. I got it wrong. It's Mitth'raw'nuruodo
 * I played the game (Wii Version), and I never knew his name was Galen Marek. I always thought his name was Starkiller. But when I killed Kento Nion (Coruscant Level) I thought his last name was Nion, but when I typed Kento Nion on Wookiepedia I found out his last name was Marek. So, I have two questions: 1:Why did the Wii Version call Kento Marek Kento Nion? 2:Did Wookiepedia just make up the name Galen Marek? Because that's just fanon.LordDeathRay 16:51, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Galen Marek is not a fanon name, it comes from the novel. Nion was to be the original surname, but it was changed at the last minute for some reason; some sources, such as the Wii version of the game and non-English versions of the novel, weren't able to be updated in time. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 17:00, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Powers
I think it should be mentioned in the article that he didn't really "pulled" it down. At least for me it only looks like he altered its course against the ground (the gravity did the rest) and had way more trouble slowing it down after it hits the ground.

Doesn't it say somewhere that the Force Unleashed was supposed to exaggerate the powers of the Force? Zack Chiu 14:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it does. I'm not sure why the article disregards this. -MPK 16:10, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Would it be worth looking at to change the article a bit? BTAL 22:07, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In Insider #100 it says that the Apprentice has the potential to be one of the most powerful Force users of all the time. It may just be for the game, but as far as we know, it's canon.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 22:32, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * George have stated that Lukes potential is twice that of the emperor, but still he had a hard time defeating him. Potential doesn't equal power.
 * Plus, trailers aren't always canon. For example the kotor 2 trailer call the exile a "him". -Unsigned comment by IP Address 81.229.73.179
 * It's been confirmed somewhere (don't have source unfortunately because I saw it a while ago) that the player does indeed pull down a Star Destroyer in the game. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 02:27, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * On the game site under the spike tv exculsive titled Spike Tv Segment 3: Epic battles Hayden Blackman can be quoted as saying "Your pretty powerful, but this is the way we'er portraying the Force throughout the game. So everybody you fight that has force powers will be unleashed as well." I had tried to make a small edit that said some thing akin to that but it was deleted, i assume it was for improper sourcing (or lack there of). Unfortunaly i can't acctualy get a direct link to the video because the entier web site is flash based and every thing is under the same address. Anyway is the above quote enough to to have somesort of relating information placed in the article? FinalFighterA+ 18:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I recall them saying that too; but in Star Wars Insider 100 Haden Blackman says that he has the potential to be the most powerful Force user ever. Your edit was fine, but it was out-of-universe because it said 'in an interview', which is what behind the scenes is for.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 23:20, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Even if he can pull down a ship he is nowhere near the strongest, Darth Nihilus destroyed planets at a time, i can't see how this guy can even begin to compare --Dixieboy 01:30, 30 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but Nihilus was consumed by his power. Besides, in combat he was pathetic. His planet-killer power is a weakness, not a strength. Starkiller would wipe the floor with him. Darth Raivon 16:40, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * He didn't really pull down a Star Destroyer with the Force. He used the Force to charge electricity pylons and make them send a huge energy beam toward the ship. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 16:52, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Interesting how that is never seen. -MPK 18:30, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * They only show the impressive result ;) [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 18:48, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Darth nihilus also managed to lift a destroyer calss ship (I think it was) from the rabble and keep it going solely by the force, nihilus was only weak in combat because he tried to drain power from the exile --Dixieboy 10:13, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

By the way, Luke hasn't reached his full potential yet. (No one has been able to. Takes a long time.) And even if he was more powerful than Vader, Vader could still down a star destroyer too. It's not that hard to change a flight path.--142.22.16.55 17:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Luke comes very close to his full potential in Invincible. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 17:12, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

What you fail to realise is that Raven is capable of doing everything Nihlis could do and more, and also not to mneiton the fact that he is a master lightsaber duleist and can strip one of the force at will, ..honestly I have yet to see anyone half as good as Revan....except maybe Ragnos but thats unsure. (User:Chipmonk329|Chipmonk329]]
 * When did Revan ever take the Force away from someone, or destroy a planet with his will? Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 12:34, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * Drewton is right. Revan is not God.
 * Evidently none of you payed any attention to the template at the top of this page, which is supposed to discourage stupid discussions like this one. -MPK (MPK's Talk Page)|undefined 14:27, 16 July 2008 (UTC)


 * OK, I've played the game and Galen does indeed keep a Star Destroyer from crashing into a facility by using the Force to hurl it into the ground (though he does this with extreme difficulty). There, it's settled. Telos
 * I've seen a lot of interesting points of view here, so let me try and get a full figure. There's quite a lot of dispute among who is the strongest Force wielder, and I must say much of the claims are very well founded. But here's where I see certain differences as far as Galen Marek. As far as gameplay goes, I didn't hear anything about manipulating pylons or electro-static and other such jargon. I heard Rahm Kota specifically say "You're a Jedi, boy! Size means nothing to you! Reach out with the Force and grab that ship" and then goes on to say "Reach out with the Force and grip that destroyer!" which, by way of the controls and actions of the character, does exactly that: reaching out with the force and gripping it. Then Kota says "Good! Now rip it down!" which, as obvious reasons can surmise, notes that Galen really is pulling the star destroyer down. -- NtechG
 * NtechG here again. I also wanted to add as far as Galen Marek's formidability goes, well that's debatable. When faced up against such foes as Nihilus and Revan, well than that's something to say, isn't it? But then again, Nihilus and Revan lived 4000 years ago and (in keeping with the canon of the saga) would have become one with the force long ago. Galen faced up against two of the most notorious characters of the Star Wars saga, and beat them to within an inch of their lives with merciless vindictiveness. It was quite a surprise (and a surprising one at that) to see Galen best Vader in both lightsaber combat and Force Mastery, particularly when he battered him to the point of tearing up his armor, then hurling and Force punching him so hard through the wall that it took the entirety of the duel with Palpatine for Vader to gather himself. Then there is the duel with Palpatine, whom we really don't know just how powerful he really was, who Galen (during the final sequences of the fight) flung the emperor around his throneroom like a worn ragdoll. Perhaps it is unfair to say Galen is the most powerful Force wielder, but with his relative youth and fluent mastery over the Force, who knows how powerful he would have become if he'd survived the battle with Palpatine and maintained his leadership over the alliance. Now, is Palpatine more powerful than Revan and Nihilus? Who knows? But did Galen wipe the floor with him? Without a doubt, and with satisfying finese. It's possible he may not be THE most powerful Force adept in the galaxy. But he was certainly the most powerful Force Adept of his generation, which may just put him at the same age as Luke or older since Leia was no longer a child when he met her. It is also certain to say that he certain was more powerful than Vader and Palpatine. If I'm wrong, feel free to tell me why and I'll gladly apologize. -- NtechG

GamePro? Where?
I went to GamePro, but I can't find the costumes. Link please? Nebril Engeve'fer 02:57, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Here:  Drewton  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/c0/SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg/25px-SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg 12:50, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Those are for the Duel Mode on the Wii, not unlockables for the main game. Nebril Engeve'fer 02:50, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * They'll still most likely be in the main game. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 12:25, 15 April 2008 (UTC)

Ambig Canon
Just because it says something on the package, it cannot be confirmed that the SA redeems anyone or falls in love with Juno. Also, we do not know for a fact how or when or even if Kota becomes his master. And we do not know if he definitely confronts Vader. So until we get a definite canon source like the Graphic Novel, it is ambiguous. The Secret Apprentice  ( Personal Comm ) 15:08, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Hasbro is not an ambiguous source. In Revan's article, it is considered canon that Revan was the one who inflicted Malak's jaw injury, and it was only on the back of package.  Hasn't it been said elsewhere also about Juno?  Drewton  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/c0/SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg/25px-SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg 15:12, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Juno was stated to be the love interest and has a bond with the SA. We do not know what happens to that bond throughout the course of the game. Also, the thing about Malak's jaw has nothing to do with game plot and the packaging was released after the game was out. You also failed to address my other problems with your edit. If you can fix your edit so that it does not assume anything then I will leave you alone. Or you could just wait until 9-16. The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 15:58, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 'Love interest' implies it, though I'm fine taking that part out because that's the only thing they've said. Of course Revan cutting off Malak's jaw doesn't have to do with the game plot, but it's still canon.  The description on the Unleashed package was done with LucasFilm's approval; I don't think they'd tell non-canon information about it. They likely told Hasbro the Apprentice's canon fate.  I am not assuming anything, just using what Hasbro said.  Drewton  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/c0/SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg/25px-SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg 16:02, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't have as much time before, so I'll also address your other points (I have before, simply indirectly). Also, we do not know for a fact how or when or even if Kota becomes his master.  I never said he becomes the Apprentice's Master, only that he trains him.  StarWars.com itself has said that Kota becomes his mentor.  And we do not know if he definitely confronts Vader.  It was confirmed on the package.  Hasbro's information comes from LucasFilms.  Drewton  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/c0/SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg/25px-SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg 16:35, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I was making no assumptions and you have replied in other parts of this page but no to this yet, so I reverted the article back (but I won't if you revert it back again because I don't want to start a 'revert war'). I'm sorry if you just haven't had time to reply.  Drewton  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/c0/SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg/25px-SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg 01:34, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Although I am unhappy with it, I will not revert your edit until we get input from other users. Also, it said that the SA has a confrontation with his former master. It does not state who this master is, (although I will admit it is likely that they meant Vader.) I would also like to avoid edits stating something as definite. Until we receive a definite source that outright states or depicts the things that have been brought into question, I would like things to remain in a way that they do not explicitly state specific details. Also, on a side note should we put up a spoiler warning? The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 20:17, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks, that's what I was hoping for too. If other users decide that you or I am right, I'm happy either way, I just want to include canon/correct information.  I don't think we need a spoiler warning yet, or at least until there's some extremely suprising thing added, in my opinion.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 20:37, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Although I don't know a whole lot about The Force Unleashed, I (personally) think it'd okay to keep the information about him falling in love with Juno, Kota being his master, etc. in the article. Because even though we may not be absolutely positive that that's true, the "Difficult to see. Always in motion is the future." template on top of the page explains that it hasn't been released yet and that it might contain information of a speculative nature. I think that pretty much covers that some of it may not be confirmed yet or is ambiguously canon. (But thats just me, and what do I know?)  Aqua Unasi *** 20:48, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Jumping the gun just a bit?
Does the Apprentice actually exist yet? Neither the Force Unleashed games, books, or any of those are made yet. Therefore, shouldn't a template be placed on the page which mentions that he is not yet canon? -MPK 20:31, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Um, are you serious? Grand Moff Tranner 21:49, 8 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Toys are out, a preview of the novel is out and there are numerous trailers/webdocs. Besides, why put up one of those templates when we know that the game and the aforementioned material will be released? The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 23:27, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think we should say he's non-canon on the off-chance that six nearly-finished games, a graphic novel, a novel, a "making/art-of" book, etc. will be canceled five months before their release date. Unless we want to say the same thing about Captain Rex, Ahsoka, etc. InSaneWeTrust 23:33, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. We'd be deleting all of the articles about upcoming characters then.  Drewton  http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/c/c0/SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg/25px-SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg 01:26, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

Apprentice's parents
I just watched Gametrailers with Geoff Keighley, and Haden Blackman told Geoff that the Apprentice was the son of not one but two Jedi. This should be mentioned in the article. His name apparently starts with "S", as well.--Jedi Kasra 05:07, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

That is old information and if you were paying attention they said his CODE NAME starts with "S". As in Secret Apprentice. Derrr. The Secret Apprentice  ( Personal Comm ) 14:14, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

I hadn't seen that it wasn't in the article before. I'll go add it now :) . Drewton   14:29, 12 April 2008 (UTC)

he is hethrir ?
 * Old information, huh? I thought Blackman previously just said he was the son of a Jedi, not two.--Jedi Kasra 22:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC)
 * It was said in the PS3 magazine. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 00:26, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you suppose that shortly after Vader killed Kento, he saw that the Jedi was protecting his own son and the Dark Lord turned a little guilty of what he did? After all, he might've made up to this by adopting the Apprentice and started having the first steps of becoming a father. What's wrong with Sith Lords wanting to adopting someone, anyway? I learned about family relationships between them in a preview. 72.82.9.127 22:22, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe, or just using him to kill Palpatine and the rest of the Jedi. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 00:02, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Here's my two cents in this. I've always wanted to adopt kids, and as of last year, let's just say that the idea of adoption became more "personal" for me, in a good way. While we still have to find out come September, it is possible that Vader would adopt him and treat him as his own son, albeit in a weird, Sithly way. I think Vader does care about him, and if he (the apprentice) betrays him, which is almost certain, it will hurt Vader. Remember, Palpatine doesn't have any idea about the apprentice. No one would dispute that Darth Caedus loves Allana, in his own weird way.--Jedi Kasra 21:11, 16 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. I think it will change how the Luke-Vader relationship is viewed.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 21:32, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

Robotic Hand/Arm?
Looking at this picture, I was thinking that maybe the apprentice has a mechanical arm? Telos 03:51, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It does look like that. He certainly doesn't have it at the beginning of the game though.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 13:57, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. It looks too bulky to be a robotic arm. Seems more like a glove (perhaps some sort of "Force glove" that gives the wearer enhanced Force powers?) Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 16:33, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
 * There is a different outfit for each level, the large arm may be a weapon or a key to a special envoirnment. Steves490 20:15, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I'll go with it either being a cybernetic arm, or a cortosis glove --Dixieboy 23:50, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Its a bracelet that Vader uses to control him. He doesn't actually want to work for the Sith NaruHina ''' Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 23:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)

No, Vader Zaps him with that when he stops doing what Vader wants him to do.--142.22.16.55 17:14, 13 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Same Diff. NaruHina ''' Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 22:26, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Name
His name has been reported to be Starkiller. Drewton  16:38, 15 May 2008 (UTC)
 * So his name is "Starkiller"? Kinda a weird name. Sounds like a name of a ship. - '''Colonel Solo [[Image:GA Roundel.svg|20px]]Galactic Alliance Gaurd 14:44, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, technically, it is the name of a ship... it's also a whole lot of other things in the GFFA, including names. However, the most prevalent use is actually from the earliest drafts of Episode IV, where Luke Skywalker was actually Luke Starkiller. 15:12, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * To be perfectly honest, I don't think that the source is accurate. Will I change it? No, it is the only lead we have. I think it is more likely to be his Sith name than his true name. But if this source did lie, there will be no one to blame but yourselves. The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 16:02, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Haden Blackman said 'his codename starts with S', so it makes sense. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 16:09, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * This was talked about with Dan Wasson, the producer of the game. 'So there's going to be a fair bit of relationship building seen between Vader and Starkiller?'  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 16:13, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes but Wasson himself still calls Starkiller the apprentice. All I am saying is that perhaps the source never used the name Starkiller in their interview. Just a bit of healthy skepticism. But if its his name, its probably his Sith name. BTW, did you see the changes I made? The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 17:05, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I've generally known them to be reliable, and they wouldn't edit their questions after the interview. Wasson never calls him 'Starkiller', but he doesn't deny it either.  (to BTW) Yes, very good.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 17:12, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Alright. I've never used that site before. BTW check the source for my additions. Very interesting. (P.S. I already updated Kota with this new info.) The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 17:18, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I saw that source earlier today and added the information to Kento's article. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 17:19, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Is there any information on the Apprentice's first name, or is he simply "Starkiller"? -MPK
 * So far it's just "Starkiller". Likely, more will be known eventually (Like a possible first name), but right now it's just the one name. 20:43, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * His last name might be Starkiller but his first name starts with J. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 02:07, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source? Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 02:19, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Source is the game. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 02:24, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The game isn't out yet. Where did you see it on the internet?  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 02:32, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The Internet isn't the only place to get information. You know that real people are making this game ? [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 02:35, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It would be quite odd if they weren't. Are you saying you worked on the game/know someone else that worked on it?  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 02:38, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * That's what I'm saying. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 02:41, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * What happens in the game, then? Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 02:42, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I only know that Shaak Ti is killed by a Sarlaac-like creature on Felucia after a duel with "Starkiller". [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 02:47, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * If you can give proof that you worked on the game, that's great then. We can't add unsourced/unverified information to Wookieepedia.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 02:53, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't want to add infos in the article. It could cause problems to someone. It's not that important to have infos right now. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 02:56, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "I just wanted to let you know that I got in touch with Lucasarts' Adam Kahn and was told that "“I can confirm that “Starkiller” is the Secret Apprentice’s code name in the game, but we haven’t revealed his real name.”" Source: TheForce.net --- Told ya! Now you'll have to rename the page again! [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 20:36, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sure. What's his real name we'll be moving it to then? --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 20:37, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't know, Secret Apprentice ? :P And wait for a real confirmation for his name, not from a random website. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 20:41, 20 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, technically, Starkiller is still the name we know him as - it's still more to go off of than "Secret Apprentice". 01:05, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * We do all know that this is his CODENAME, right? Seriously, on the Gametrailers episode where they featured TFU Haden Blackman himself said it's just his codename.  So, should we change it? Darth Plagueis 01:12, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Even if it's just a codename, it's better than 'Secret Apprentice'. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 01:36, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Sorry if I wasn't clear the first time. I meant should we change how the article says it?  I mean, doesn't the article say that it's his actual first name?  If it does, shouldn't we change it? Darth Plagueis 01:43, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, you got a point on that. It probably should be reflected, as well as noted in the BtS. 01:47, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * So, do you guys want me to edit it, or will someone else do it? Darth Plagueis 01:50, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I already edited a long time ago. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 04:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Ok, now that the game is competed, I can say that the Secret Apprentice's name is Jacob . [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 21:53, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Uh, can you prove that with a link? Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 23:10, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Internet isn't the only place to get information. Some website are the FIRST to get the info, like Wookieepedia. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 23:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Yeah, but Wookieepedia doesn't count as a source, and neither do you, to be honest. We have to wait for official word on the matter. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 23:22, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I know that, I was just saying it so you are the firsts to know it. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 23:23, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If it is Jacob...they chose his name extremely poorly. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 18:10, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * A reference to Jake Lloyd maybe ? [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 18:38, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Still a horrible choice. Come on. "Jacob" isn't the kind of name I'd give my son if I lived in the GFFA. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 19:04, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I doubt it is legal for you to tell us this even assuming it is true and you did work on the game ever heard of an NDA anyone?SargeLIVES 23:05, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't sign any NDA. Just be happy to know before everyone else.[[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 23:11, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
 * If you're telling the truth... Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 00:24, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, while I do not doubt the validity of some statements such as the potential demise of Shaak Ti, I do doubt most of the information you are feeding us. For example, you said that Starkiller might be his last name. Shouldn't you know? Also, it was confirmed that Starkiller is in fact just his code name. And I figured the Sarlacc thing out myself based on concept art featuring Starkiller, Shaak Ti, and a Sarlacc. But I doubt that Starkiller's true name is Jacob. But perhaps you are right. Regardless, and regardless of you not signing an NDA you can still get in trouble for leaking information and whoever, if anyone, is giving you this information likely signed an NDA and will get sued and fired (that is, assuming they have a job related to TFU.) The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 00:57, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I told the part about Shaak Ti months ago before it was even known that she was on Felucia in the game. For the Starkiller thing, you are right, I never heared about it until it was here. Some things are just untold. [[Image:DreosskBlanc.jpg|20px]] Dreossk  | 01:19, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it would be best for everyone if you just stop giving us this information, whether it's true or not. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 11:57, 26 June 2008 (UTC)
 * More confirmation on 'Starkiller' here. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 14:03, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, I was right about everything I said; Shaak Ti's death, Jacob's name, Jacob's death and another thing that was reverted by an admin (obviously): the alternative ending where Jacob kills Darth Vader and become the Emperor's apprentice. You might take me seriously in 9 years when I'll edit again hehe. Dreossk | 00:32, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The fact that you were right about everything means absolutely nothing &mdash; there was no way to prove your edits. The word of one user who is not well known on the site -- as, as you've proved, is not remotely trustworthy -- is not enough to add info to the wiki. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 00:39, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You'll know for the next time that it's always true ;) Dreossk | 00:42, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * You still. don't. get. it. It's not about whether something is right, it's about whether it's verifiable. And instead of accepting that this is just how things work around here, you decided to act like an idiot. You are no longer wanted, and no reasonable person will ever believe anything you say. -- Darth Culator  (Talk) 00:53, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Dreossk will you now tell us how you found all this information? Jacob Nion  [[Image:SecretApprentice bg.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 00:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * He's been banned. And good riddance, might I add. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 00:57, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Timing of encounter with Palpatine
Unless the Gamespot demo was out of order, Starkiller's next assignment after Nar Shaddaa (vs Kota, the first Starkiller level) is on Raxus Prime. This would mean that the scene where Palpatine tells Vader to kill Starkiller happens early on in the game, and it is in fact not the 'ultimate confrontation' mentioned on the Hasbro miniature package. Drewton  01:57, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * They said "the final cinematic at the end of the next level demoed. Demoed is the key word, so I find it extremely likely that they skipped several levels. I'm hoping however that there is more than one confrontation with Vader. Otherwise the game would seem very short. The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 21:28, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Maris Brood Redemption
Now, we all are guessing that she might be redeemed. However, has this actually been confirmed anywhere?

Darth Plagueis 10:48, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * The Hasbro Battle Pack confirmed it. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 12:33, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Here we go again. I tried to argue that it was not definite canon as Hasbro has made mistakes before. But whatever. The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 20:19, 21 May 2008 (UTC)


 * Hasbro has made mistakes, but more minor ones than this. It's official, and canon as far as we know.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 22:14, 23 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't think he redeemed her; I think he just let her go.--Anonyhm 14:08, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Now that the game's out, it definitely doesn't seem like she was redeemed. Do quote Galen himself: "Do you really think she's free? She'll cary the memories of what she did here forever." Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 15:16, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I've got to agree with Drewton here. For me, however, it seemed thatt he event was... I dunno... cheapened? When he'd defeated her (Very satisfying sequence) she seemed to cower almost like Palpatine did. When she gravled with him, it didn't seem all that believable. Just how did she plan to get away from the planet? Steal one of the imperial transports, perhaps? It kind of left me thinking "Seriously?" when she said "You can save me. Just let me get away from here and I'll turn my back on the dark side." just seemed a little too.... fake. Sorry if this little commentary steps on anyone's toes. I just don't think it played out well enough for the character to be a memorable one. -- NtechG

Ancestor?

 * Ok... So, his name is Starkiller, or that's at least his codename in the project... So, if that's really his last name, would that mean he's a descendant of Bendak Starkiller from KotOR? (It's probably him, Apprentice Starkiller's, and his parents', or at least his father's, last name. That or it's his first name.) Does that sound confusing? Lol. --The Wolfe22 18:54, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "Starkiller" is a code name, not his actual name. Therefore, there's no relation to Bendak. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 18:55, 31 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Gotcha ;) --The Wolfe22 23:24, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Starkiller in Soul Calibur IV

 * It looks like Vader and Yoda aren't the only SW characters in Soul Calibur 4 210.4.113.169 06:56, 6 June 2008 (UTC)


 * Source? Dixieboy 19:19, 7 July 2008 (UTC)
 * An old report on TheForce.net. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 19:52, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

Quote
I like this quote which if you have seen the new trailer is a continuation of something Shaak Ti is saying to Starkiller, "The Sith always betray one another. . . . I’m sure you’ll learn that soon enough." If you saw the new trailer you should understand that this quote sums up some of the most important events in Starkiller's life. The Secret Apprentice  ( Personal Comm ) 17:34, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

So I propose a vote:

Quote #1
You have done well my apprentice. (Current quote)
 * 1) Until all the various media is released which will give more information on the character, this is the better quote given what we currently know.  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 17:48, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) *From the new spoilers we know that Starkiller is betrayed by Vader. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 17:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Quote #2
'The Sith always betray one another. . . . I’m sure you’ll learn that soon enough.' (New suggestion)
 * 1) For As per my previous statement. The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 17:34, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Per above. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 17:42, 10 July 2008 (UTC)

Comments
How about this? I took Quote #2 and placed it in the "Confrontation with Vader" section of the article. Leave Quote #1 where it is. Everyone wins. -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 20:12, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Hmmmmm. I dont like it, but I can live with it. At least until we get better quotes from the next trailer/video/article/Novel/Comic. I will wait to make an absolute decision until I here some other arguments for or against what you've done. The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 20:32, 10 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I really liked the second quote, but i don't see it anywhere anymore. I suppose someone thinks they had a good reason for removing it, but I still think it lends flavor to the whole adventure of Galen Marek. Who knows, maybe that quote would work better in a Sith article? Anonyhm 00:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)Anonyhm

Redeemed Jedi finally??!!
Since we know that Starkiller would be trained under Kota, helps redeem Maris Brood at Felucia, fights Vader in the nearly completed Death Star, and gets the girl, can we please just say he was now a good guy in the end? Then we wouldn't have to wait for the franchise to reveal the canon ending to appear. It's all canon evidence! 68.14.140.120 21:18, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * He certainly seems to be taking the light side path, but we don't know that he'll stay light side. Also, he probably will fight Vader even if he's dark side. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 21:21, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * We have to wait until the canonical ending comes out.  Ifindyourlackoffaithdisturbing  ( You're all clear kid! )( Now let's blow this thing and go home! ) 21:22, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * And in the Story of TFU ViDoc one of the Devs said "You may think your going down one path and end up down another." That statement leads me to believe that the trailer was intentionally misleading. The Secret Apprentice  [[Image:Secretapprenticefull.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 15:54, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, now that we know that Jacob allied with the Rebellion against his evil stepfather, does that mean he was redeemed? I pray that the recent spoilers say anything about it. 72.87.76.216 00:44, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Death?
The article says that he was fighting Darth Vader on the first Deathstar, what the hell happened then? I mean, when and how does this person die? Is it by Vaders lightsaber or does he die of old age in hiding? If this superhero meets Vader in some sort of final battle, which of course Vader must win since it is Luke Skywalker who's Vader "killer" (and Anakin Skywalkers savior), how does the battle end? Did he die or did he escape? Anyone with an answer?78.69.67.137 22:34, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * We don't know yet. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 22:38, 13 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Although I think it is safe to assume that he will die (in the cannon ending as there will most likely be multiple ones) otherwise it begs the question "where has he been" between the Vong, Jacen, Thrawn, Lukes new order, and all of the renegade Imps it would seem like he would have surfaced sometime. Ultimately what I think is that unless he pulls a "Revan" (goes off heroically into the unknown) there would just be to much Star Wars cannon to change unless he died. Ryan Fett  ( For Mandalore! )[[Image:JaingHead.svg|20px]] 14:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Well that's going to be a disappointing ending...Shadow Mask Prime 10:51, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Yea it whould be but we dont know if its cannon or not until after the game comes out so i ask: why does it say in the main artical that he died if we dont know that he did? SSD-Revan 03:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Specification
"After his duel with Darth Vader, Jacob was killed by the Emperor."

Could this be a little bit more specific? For example, does he fight Palpatine in a lightsaber duel like Yoda did? Darth Something 03:51, 29 July 2008 (UTC)


 * According to Borsk Fey'lya, who has the book, Starkiller beats Vader, but the Emperor kills him with force lightning.. DC 05:18, 1 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Well that whould be a wast of a caricter but how did Borsk get the book? I thougt it was still in the writing phase.SSD-Revan 00:37, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Stabbed in the back?
The article says that Vader was ordered to kill the apprentice by Sidious. If he wanted to overthrow Sidious, why did he stab the apprentice? Maxi6 15:33, 2 August 2008 (UTC)Maxi6


 * Because the Emperor is strong enough to temporarilily affect/dominate minds - "You don't know the power of the Dark Side, I must obey my master." Darth Something.

OK, thanks. Maxi6 00:37, 3 August 2008 (UTC)Maxi6

canon ending
Ackbar, stop reverting my edits. There is a spoiler warning. And I am asking about adding this to the article. according to hayden blackman, Lucas arts has already began planning for the Force Unleashed Sequal. He also said that it will have some of the characters in it. He has to survive! Whats the point of having a sequal if it doesnt have the same character? just doesnt add up. We should put it in the article. JediBob 00:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC) But it would be cool to have Maris as the main player!JediBob 00:07, 6 August 2008 (UTC) Jedi Bob shutup. Jacob Dies. Get over it. Its canon and that's that. Jacob Nion  ( Personal Comm ) 02:28, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It could be about what happened to the surviving jedi he fought, Juno, or ProxyMeesa yoda 00:03, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * i see your idea. But its like having the zelda game without link! it wouldnt be the same!
 * They sadly are making a zelda game w/o link, so this is a star wars game w/o jacobMeesa yoda 00:10, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Proof???JediBob 02:05, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * please be polite, im just asking a reasonable question. I will not believe it till the book has come out and i have read it. Im a normal person who gets the book on the release date! cheers, JediBob 23:31, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I understand but you were making edits that made no sense. Just ask Borsk. He HAS the book. Jacob Nion  [[Image:Starkiller vs Vader.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 01:30, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

True name NOT Jacob Nion!
I just finished the English version of the novel, and it turns out that his true name is Galen Marek, NOT Jacob Nion. Since "galen" means "crazy" in Swedish, I suspect it means something similar in German and was therefore changed in the German version. Charlii 23:57, 6 August 2008 (UTC) Charlii is not a n00b he's been around alot longer than you. And don't post personal attacks. –K.A.J•T•C•E• 07:07, 7 August 2008 (UTC) We always get novels early here in Sweden, for some reason. Charlii 10:16, 7 August 2008 (UTC) Maybe we should wait for the release... If his name turns out to be Jacob after all, we'll have to re-do everything again.  Stake black   msg 21:26, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * WTF? Why would he have two names, regardless of the translation? This makes no sense. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 01:03, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That is really weird.  Ifindyourlackoffaithdisturbing  ( You're all clear kid! )( Now let's blow this thing and go home! ) 01:14, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The english version isnt out yet. n00b. And names regardless of language are the samething. This guy is just being annoying and obnoxious. Jacob Nion  [[Image:Starkiller vs Vader.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 01:29, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks KAJ, and for you others, here are a few photos:
 * Dang it. I just recently moved all his images to the Jacob Nion category. Now I get to do it all over again. *sigh* -  JMAS  Hey, it's me! 12:06, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I didn't like Jacob at first, but IMO it's better than this new name. Speaking of name changes, what about his father? Is his first name still Kento, or does he have a new name as well? Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 12:43, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I apologize Charlii. Hmmmm. Interesting photo. Now, what will his english name be? Jacob Nion  [[Image:Starkiller vs Vader.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 13:26, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The version he has is the English version. That's why the text in the photo he posted was, you know, in English. It's the same version they'll sell in England, and America, and Australia. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 13:27, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Right. I knew that. So is this the go ahead to start changing everything? Jacob Nion  [[Image:Starkiller vs Vader.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 13:34, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * To be completely correct, I believe the UK version is printed by a different publisher, and there have been differences between the UK and US versions in some cases. Not that there is likely to be any here though. And yes, I'm afraid that we have to change every place his name is mentioned. Someone got a bot handy? Charlii 13:41, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I can start manually. If that is acceptable.... Jacob Nion  [[Image:Starkiller vs Vader.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 13:46, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Another consideration here is whether the character will actually GO by his "full name". Can anyone with the novel verify that he doesn't keep going by Starkiller up through his final moments? -BaronGrackle 23:38, 7 August 2008 (UTC) Interesting. Maybe he'll have a different name for every language. Drewton  ( Drewton's Holocron ) 14:16, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * He actually never uses the name Starkiller himself, and starting to use Galen is a big and important step for him. He never learns his true surname, but I don't think there is any question that he would have used it if he had. It did belong to the identety he developed in his last days. Charlii 01:09, 8 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Personaly I will not consider ANY names until the game comes out and I play it through to the end. because with all the different languages in the world, the slight differences between the books and the translations, it will just be more simple to sort it out within the game. also just because its his american name does that mean its his cannon name? this IS a multi-national progect.SSD-Revan 00:37, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * American (English) names always end up being canon. Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 00:21, 9 August 2008 (UTC)


 * Yea that is true most of the time but i suggest, just for now, that we simply revert the titles name to starkiller and put whatever different names to he has in the behind the sceens section.SSD-Revan 00:36, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No, because this is the English Star Wars Wiki. We have several sister sites that are involved with the different languages in their own language. Also note that R2-D2, C-3PO, and several other miscellaneous characters often had/have different names per the language it was translated into. 01:03, 9 August 2008 (UTC)
 * So is it just going to be something different in English? Man, it would so cool if he was the son of Quinlan or Drake Lo'gaan. Wishful thinking.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 13:29, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Death
Galens death differs between articles. This page says he was killed by Palpatine, but the duel on the Death Star page has him unleashing his life energy to sacifice himself to save his friends. Which version is canonical? Dr.Kermit 05:04, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * You'll probably have to wait a few days for that. But he does die. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 05:08, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * The second version is more detailed, but I think you could still claim the first to be technically correct. Charlii 08:57, 18 August 2008 (UTC)

appearance?
Does anyone know if you will be able to change his appearance and/or gender in the game?  CC-2054 Talk 18:48, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No, I don't think so.  Ifindyourlackoffaithdisturbing  ( Oya Manda! ) 18:55, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes and no. There are unlockable costumes, but that's it. Galen Marek  [[Image:Starkiller Eclipse smooch.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 01:15, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * There are cheats that can make you look like any of more than 30 characters from the TFU game, the Star Wars saga and the Star Wars EU. Unfortunately, the process disables the cutscenes, but still is an interesting experience. There's a list on the Star Wars games wiki, you should check it out. *Cheat list-- Seth  Danny  22:51, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

this will suck
no good game kills the main character!!!!!!! what will be the point in the whole damn game if he just dies because palpatine has to be a wimp and shock him with his cowardly lightning!!!!!!!!!!!!! -Dake Skywalker

I don't want him to sacrifice himself - Dake Skywalker  September-7-2008
 * Cool down, and sign your posts while youre at it. DC 22:37, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And don't forget to read Civility too. DC 22:38, 18 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Final Fantasy 7: Crisis Core killed Zack, Final Fantasy 7 killed Aeris, Vector Prime killed Chewbacca. People die. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 01:21, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Palpatine didn't kill him with lightning. Galen sacrificed himself. And by the way, this is Star Wars, not Final Fantasy. ;) --The Wolfe22 20:34, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes but Final Fantasy deaths are more dramatic. :P NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|20px]] 12:20, 18 September 2008 (UTC) Aeris...Aeris...*sob*
 * Too late. At any rate, Wookieepedia is not a forum; please do not continue to use it as such. // ~mikah~  21:16, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I don't like the wording you're using. Really, the talk pages are a lot like forums. Do you deny it? --The Wolfe22 23:07, 1 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Matter of fact, I do. A forum is to be used for general discussion. Talk pages are (supposed to be) used to suggest ways of improving the article in question. // ~mikah~  23:17, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Overhaul
I have the Graphic Novel. Picked it up yesterday at Barnes and Noble. I did a major overhaul of the article because it was severely lacking. Any problems or questions, feel free to message me here or on my talk page. - May the Force Be With You - Galen Marek   ( Personal Comm ) 01:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Grammatical Errors
Sorry for being a noob, but under "First Death". "Vader lifted Starkiller into the air and through him through and out the bridge view port". They should change the first "through" to threw.

It's ok. But seriously. I added 11,000 characters. You can do grammar cleanup. Galen Marek  ( Personal Comm ) 11:17, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Jedi Master?

 * After reading the novel I see no proof that Kota is Galen's Jedi Master, I know he searches him out with the intent of learning from him, but he is always either sleeping or drunk and not doin anything because he is so depressed. He didn't teach Galen a thing, and even up to the battle in the death star Galen still uses the dark side and is clearly not a Jedi. Does anyone out there agree? Steves490 03:38, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. It says that Kota was his unofficial Jedi Master. So, idk. --The Wolfe22 20:38, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
 * One of the advertising documentaries labels Kota as a mentor-type, which I think does more accurately describe his role with Galen than that of a master-padawan relationship. While he may be considered an unofficial master, I think he could also conceivably be removed from Galen's list of masters. It seemed to me, though, when it came down to the wire, Kota did, in fact, function as his mentor, such as the time on Raxus Prime when he directed him on how to handle the incoming star destroyer. Anonyhm 15:09, 9 September 2008 (UTC)Anonyhm

Galactic Empire
Would he actually be part of the Empire? He is Vader's apprentice, and thats about it. He belongs more to Vader then he does the Empire. DjMack 03:07, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, but he's assasinated Imperial traitors in the name of the Empire before. It's only at Nar Shaddaa that he actively begins working against the New Order. Thefourdotelipsis 05:22, 29 August 2008 (UTC)
 * No. I agree with DjMack. He doesnt care jack s#17 about the Empire, his only wish and desire when you could argue he was in support of the Empire was to kill Palpatine. Doesn't sound like much of a patriot. And, he went after the "occasional high ranking traitor". That along with the book makes it clear that he usually went after scum like smugglers and thieves. He never cared for the Empire, he only wanted to serve his master. What, was he just supposed to say, "I don't like the Empire. I don't want to kill these traitors." ? No, regardless of if he supported the Empire or not he would have executed the traitors because Darth Vader said so. Galen Marek  [[Image:Starkiller Eclipse smooch.jpg|20px]] ( Personal Comm ) 22:57, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

About the death
Shouldn't someone remove the sequel section on the force unleashed page since Galen kicks the bucket? I loved the book, and thought the ending was good and all, but unless Hayden Blackmen creates some REALLY ridiculous story, shouldn't we assume that the sequel is caput?User:Revanthereformer1138
 * If I remember correctly, he's said that any possible sequels would be about oher main characters (i.e. Juno or PROXY). Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 02:06, 4 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The game's videogame sequel (discounting any comics or books for now) will probably centre around Maris Brood, given the open ended nature of her exit from this game.  Uli Talk 00:20, 15 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, seeing as how there's no official word on a sequel what-so-ever, except something I think Blackman said about having the rights to make comics, books, sequels, toys, etc. for TFU. Doesn't mean they are, though. Can always hope though.. --The Wolfe22 22:13, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * After reading the Campain Guide and seeing no mention of Starkiller's demise, I truly believe that there is hope for his survival. Vader's statement that he is dead is not enough to convince me. I mean, he lied about 95% of the game. So, the Emperor took Vader's word for it. But he did that before, or so he let show. And Kota said he was one with the Force. But they said that about K'Kruhk and others lots of times. We can never know for sure.
 * The sequel would hold lots of surprises. And there could still be more Jedi besides Maris & Kota, like the masters and padawans that escaped the Temple with the help of Shaak Ti before Operation Knightfall, the ones that went in hiding during the Dark Times, and maybe some familliar faces, to add to this great story.-- Seth  danny  16:09, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't be ridiculous. If Galen was alive, Palpatine would be able to sense it, since he was standing right there. Besides, even if he did survive somehow, there's no way he would be able to get off the Death Star without being noticed, at which point he would be killed by Palpatine, Vader (since he had no further use for him), or simply the station's guards. On top of that, Galen surviving would make a mockery of his supposed sacrifice. -MPK 17:17, 29 September 2008 (UTC)
 * While listening to the Force-Cast episode with Hayden Blackman, I heard him say something about him liking the idea of a sequel, or something like that.. It sounds awesome to me, but, what would it be about? Another new character? Yeah, I wouldn't mind a new character or two, or three, but, don't make it have too many unfamiliar faces.. --The Wolfe22 23:04, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Palpatine's role
"All the while, Marek's existence was kept secret from the rest of the Galactic Empire which Vader served, including the Dark Lord's master, Emperor Palpatine." Why state the deception in the bio? In the TPB, Palpatine states Vader never plots alone and that everything was his idea from the start. Or something like that. 9&#39;er 12:11, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. The novel never specifically states the Emperor had no knowledge of his existence, although Palpatine was undeniably upset at the discovery of the apprenticeship.--Anonyhm 19:54, 18 September 2008 (UTC)Anonyhm

PROXY, Galen Fight
Okay, so the book says that PROXY was corrupted by the Core of Raxus Prime to fight Galen, yet the game has PROXY saying that his tactical computer told him that it was the right time to strike.

So which is canon, PROXY's own decision made by his tactical computers or some kind of evil Core?

Darth Plagueis 21:57, 22 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It was his tactical computers.  IFYLOFD  ( There is no death. There is the Force. ) 21:58, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

So I'm to understand the book is slightly non-canon in these little details, and that we should only follow what the game says?

Darth Plagueis 22:07, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

And if it was his tactical computers, we should change the article, right?

Darth Plagueis 22:13, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

On second thought, the book is the best source for all this info, isn't it?

Darth Plagueis 21:54, 23 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The book does have more detail than the game lets on, with minor differences that I've been able to see (haven't beaten the game yet). Besides that, the book won't change, whereas the game (the outcome anyway) varies. I would favor the book, and make notes later where the game may differ or allow a difference.--Anonyhm 00:47, 24 September 2008 (UTC)Anonyhm


 * Maybe the Evil core made him think it was The right time,then both would be right. Sith-venator 23:19, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Lightsaber?
Should there be a sub section about the different lightsabers he wielded? Jedi Striker, 14:18, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you mean the unlockable hilts, or the lightsabers around his belt while wearing his Sith Stalker Suit? We don't have a lot information on the latter aside from belonging to former Jedi, but the former shouldn't make a difference to me personally if mentioned. // ~mikah~  18:31, 30 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I meant the ones he used up until his death. He had the one in the beginning and then used Kota's saber and then changed that blade's color after a while. Jedi Striker 19:00, 01 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No he didn't, he always used the same lightsaber, changing the color to aqua later in the story. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 03:31, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought he lost his red one when he got thrown out through the Executor's window into space, and used his father's saber afterward. -MPK
 * Yeah. He lost the red one, then after Vader saved him, he gave him Kota's saber, and then he found a blue crystal in his father's home on Kashyyyk which changed the color. Jedi Striker 02:34, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Doesn't the cutscene in the game where Galen finds Kota in the bar show his saber being blue already? -MPK 15:00, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Bel Iblis
Could someone add information about rescue of Garm Bel Iblis. QuiGonJinn (Comlink) 09:25, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * What information do you want added? I don't think there is anything else that can be added beyond more details but I think what I wrote there is pretty much what happened in the PS2 version of TFU. Darth Batrus 10:54, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This information. QuiGonJinn (Comlink)[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|25px]]16:36, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The novel doesn't have Galen even encounter Garm personally until the meeting on Correlia with the three senators together. The rescue must have been added to the game; I don't know if it's on all the platforms even, as each rendition has diverse features. If someone were to include this new information, make sure its sourced properly.--Anonyhm 18:48, 5 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Just remembered, the jedi trials at the temple aren't in the novel either, but they made it into the page. After all, isn't this page meant to be a brief composite of information from all relevant sources?--Anonyhm 20:59, 6 October 2008 (UTC)Anonyhm
 * That's what I'm talking about. QuiGonJinn (Comlink)[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|25px]]12:02, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * so have at it: throw in a blurb with a link!--Anonyhm 13:54, 10 October 2008 (UTC)
 * btw, what was his motive for searching for garm: he was in trouble, had to find him like he did Organa, what sort of lead in is there?--Anonyhm 16:03, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Not a Jedi
I say that Galen Marek was never a Jedi and therefore should not have the Jedi infobox. Simply being a lightside force user does not make you a Jedi just as being a darksider does not make you a Sith. And yes, he claimed to be a Jedi "I've never been a Jedi before", but let's not forget that Asajj Ventress claimed to be a Sith "I am Sith!" and she was wrong. There is no real proof that he was a Jedi.Darth Nikolai 23:01, 8 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, both his parents were Jedi. And he force pulled Vader's lightsaber, that means that they've taught him something about the force. Next, Starkiller received some training from Kota, who was a Jedi too. And he managed to redeem himself&mdash;an action not just every "lightside force user" could've done. I think it's enough to make him a Jedi. QuiGonJinn (Comlink)[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|25px]]12:08, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree with Nikolai. The Jedi are simply a group, not one necessarily joins if one is light side. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 12:13, 9 October 2008 (UTC)
 * While I agree he was never formally dubbed a Jedi, here's some more food for thought: Galen was taught the ways of the Force through the dark side, then turned to the light side, making his own reference to following the Jedi school of thought. As already pointed out, his parents had taught him something of the force before being taken by Vader, and Kota had been a mentor to him. Furthermore, Luke Skywalker enderwent formal Force training from Jedi masters but knew he was a full Jedi after finishing his duel with his father without any real formalization of the new status, barring Yoda's prompting earlier that after facing Vader, he would be such. Finally, Anakin Skywalker was taught in the ways of the force through the light side, then turned to the dark side, albeit being declared a Sith by a Sith Lord. I see a lot of crossing of streams here, between schools of training as well as who's been dubbed what, all documented in primary canon. Kota thought Galen was a Jedi, and later he actually assumed what could be considered the role of a Jedi. The intent of the story may have been to leave Galen's status up to the imagination/ speculation of the audience, or maybe it's implicit however certain, depending on your pov. He could be a Jedi. Sometimes I wonder if Vader, being a former Jedi, didn't train Galen to be essentially a dark side-using Jedi just so scratching him when the time came wouldn't be much effort.--Anonyhm 13:40, 10 October 2008 (UTC)Anonyhm

I think you can make an arguement either way. Yes he was a Sith because he recieved Sith training, but you can also argue that he was more Jedi than Sith in the end. He sacrificed himself to save others, and last I checked...that's not something a Sith would do. Meselyn 22:50, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * He still wasn't officially a Jedi. Bah, there nees to be a template for those who are simply Force-sensitive but not part of either order. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 22:55, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
 * What is the criteria for an "official" jedi, and does it apply to every jedi you know?--Anonyhm 16:11, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The only proper criteria anyone ought to use for an official Jedi is a person who was officially inducted into the Order. That's it. I say he's technically a Dark Jedi until he dies, since he uses dark side powers the whole time, but that's just me. -MPK 16:46, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Well, it's only up to you to use the Dark Side powers. You can use only Force Push or don't use the force at all in the game. It's a gameplay. And while I agree that he wasn't "officially" named a Jedi, his actions made him such. Just remember Luke. He wasn't initiated into the Order too but he still was considered a Jedi. QuiGonJinn  (Comlink)[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|25px]]17:11, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree! According to the novel, he was definitely using the power of the light side and resisting the dark side. In addition to Kota's mentorship, Shaak Ti was very educative to Galen while they dueled: a lot of what she tells him resonates with him throughout the rest of his life. He really isn't much different from Luke, like Haden Blackman says. --Anonyhm 17:22, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The difference was Luke was trained to be a Jedi by two Masters, one of them being the Grand Master of the Order. Galen was never trained to be anything in particular. And Haden Blackman said that Galen was the dark side version of Luke, so if we based the decision only on that we'd give him a Sith infobox. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 17:25, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * But I still don't agree he was set up to be a Sith. He was all loyalty and no cunning, rather backward for a Sith.--Anonyhm 17:32, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * No, he certainly wasn't/couldn't have been a Sith. I was merely using that as a hypothetical argument. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 17:35, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * The only reason I draw parallels to Luke is because he did receive training in the ways of the Force (which I still suspect is Jedi-tainted for the sake of elimination later, as happens in the story) from a former Jedi: Vader. He receives Jedi guidance from Jedi Knight Kota, Jedi Master Shaak Ti, and even the specter of his father, also a Jedi Knight. While not specifically trained in the light side, the light sided guidance is still applicable to him, because its the same Force. In the end he finally embraces the guidance and governs his actions by it. Had there been an Order still, he would have been a part of it due to his heritage; had the new Order been created, he would have been invited to join. You can say that he's not a Jedi because there was no Order to induct him, but then, he just might have been, circumstances being what they were, again, not much different from Luke's circumstances, imo. kind of a catch 22--Anonyhm 17:49, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Luke was a Jedi after he faced Vader (as Yoda told him to), and not before; that's how they initiated him in the first place (and since he started his own order later, maybe it doesn't matter as much). As for the player not having to use lightning and such, you're splitting hairs. He never really received any proper Jedi training, and even if he did, he still was never inducted into the order. It is true that he turned on the Sith and tried to help the rebels, but he was never made into a Jedi.
 * I say he was a Dark Jedi because by definition, that's what he is: A Force user who follows/uses the dark side. Even though he does bring the rebel leaders together, the only reason he was doing it (at first, anyway) was because Vader told him to. Does that mean he's a bad guy even at the end? No. He thaws out of his darkness after prolonged exposure to his friends (Juno possibly being the most important) and he has definitely decided that there's nothing anyone will gain from [him] continuing to stay on the dark side after Vader reveals that he was just using him to gather the Rebels together.
 * Galen is like Yun. Yun was a Dark Jedi, but he was never particularly evil, and at the end he died saving Kyle Katarn from Sariss, but we don't call Yun a Jedi.
 * Granted, Galen and Yun are two different people, but roughly it's the same principle: Both were Dark Jedi (Galen was probably at least slightly more evil than Yun since he was actively killing Jedi, while Yun was rather passive in comparison, having limited exposure to the dark and no exposure to the light), but both eventually turned from their dark paths for the sake of the galaxy (Yun did it sooner down the dark path than Galen did), and ended up redeeming themselves to the light side, even though they were never officially Jedi.
 * Bottom line: If Yun was never a Jedi, then neither was Galen. -MPK 17:50, 15 October 2008 (UTC)


 * Then lets not label him a Jedi or a Sith. Content I've added has been about Jedi influence. Let's edit him being a Jedi Knight out. Definitely a most powerful Force adept, and potentially Sith or Jedi, albeit his life cut short before achieving either (unless you follow the alternate game ending).--Anonyhm 17:57, 15 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. As for the infobox, I think we should use something neutral, not assosiated with Jedi or Sith to avoid future discussions like this. A Rebel infobox perhaps? QuiGonJinn  (Comlink)[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|25px]]18:15, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Cleanup still?
I was wondering... this article has been pretty well rounded out, maybe a few more quotes here and there, or photos even; I'm personally not sure how much more major work can be done on Galen: I think we've done some good work! How close do you guys think we are to removing these "cleanup" banners and launching it off to better heights?--Anonyhm 00:44, 19 October 2008 (UTC)
 * First, I think we should place the Jedi Temple trials as they appeared in the game. Not before the missions, but between them and maybe provide more information on each of the Trials. I don't have the time to do it myself. Except for this, I think it's pretty good done. QuiGonJinn  (Comlink)[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|25px]]
 * I split up the Jedi Temple visits and redistributed them, hopefully accurately. Feel free to tweak!!--Anonyhm 02:10, 13 November 2008 (UTC)


 * We've all done very good work fleshing out this article. It's come a long way from the tiny page it used to be. I think a few improvements can still be made here and there, but the cleanup should be removed soon. Good job everyone! 14:19, 19 October 2008 (UTC-8)

This is a great article for there only being 3 appearances(Game,comic,novel)It should be a FA.Sith-venator 23:21, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Let's shoot for GA status first. ;) // ~mikah~  23:31, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I added a few more quotes. The trials will be a little more work, and I won't have a lot of time to put into them myself for awhile.--Anonyhm 23:57, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Also, I think that the introduction is a little short. QuiGonJinn The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|20px]] 05:42, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Pic problem
I think were gonna upload more screenshots from the video game for this article. DarthWill3 15:09, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. A couple more pics would be good. I only have Nintendo DS version though, and as you know it has poor graphics. QuiGonJinn The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|20px]] 16:40, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Something that shows Galen with his blue lightsaber I think would be appropriate. -MPK
 * Yeah. We'd replace the red one in the Maris Brood and Vader duel pics. Or at least alter them to the true color.DarthWill3 23:27, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * An alteration would be a form of fanon. Just retake the shot with a blue crystal. // ~mikah~  23:31, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
 * O.K. It would be best to play and record the real sources, but NO combat buttons showing during the final action. Got that? DarthWill3 18:29, 9 November 2008 (UTC)

I am so confused. I was playing the game, and I can't tell if darth vader wanted to destroy the Empire, or just used Starkiller To kill the rest of the Jedi. Does anyone know? I'm really confused.
 * First, this talk page is not for general discussion of the topic. It is used to decide how the article can be improved. Second, Vader used Starkiller to lure out Palpatine's enemies. I think it's pretty much explained in the article. Cheers. QuiGonJinn The ability to speak does not make you intelligent.[[Image:Quigonheadshot.jpg|20px]] 14:15, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

New DLC
I don't think that the Sith Assassin and General Starkiller outfits should redirect to the Sith Assassin page and then Galen Marek's page respectivly, since its outfits and not professions or organizations that Galen was tied to. So I don't think we should make link the outfits, just leave them regular till we can get pictures. Thoughts? Darth Kynval 03:11, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Articles can still be articles without pictures, but I don't think they should redirect here regardless. They should be their own separate pages, like Lando Calrissian and Tamtel Skreej. // ~mikah~  03:22, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

Galen/Palpatine battle
The novel is supposed to be the canonical description of the events, correct? So why does the clash with Palpatine have events that didn't occur, and describe the fight wildly different than what happened?

Kota gets electrocuted while Galen watches, and comes to his senses. He throws broken glass and debris at the Emperor, who stops using the lightning to deflect it. Palpatine immediately drops to his knees, and begs Galen to kill him. Its page 312 for those who need a reference. Kota begs him not to, and Galen turns his blade off. The Emperor is instantly back on his feet, electrocuting Kota to death this time, if he has his way.

Galen leaps in the way, and feels a star ignite within his chest, such is the intensity. He manages to stagger up the blast and grab the Emperor, who yells in pain. Galen absorbs as much as he can, and unleashes all his power in a force explosion. This collapses portions of the room, throws Vader and the ST's to the floor, and even bucks an entire shuttle. Palpatine is still standing when it is over, frowning.

Galen never threw Palpatine into a wall, and never fought him unless you consider hanging on to his robes as he was electrocuted a "fight."

This needs to be edited. adamg0d 23:27, 24 November 2008 (UTC)adamg0d
 * We have to incorporate a novel, a comic, and six versions of the video game. There are going to be differences from each perspective. // ~mikah~  23:59, 24 November 2008 (UTC)

That's not precisely true. Only the canon version of events matter for the storyline. The games alternate endings are immaterial in that sense, along with everything else (comics, gameplay). The same holds true for games such as TIE Fighter and the story of Kyle Katarn. I suppose continuity is the more appropriate term, though, since everything is -some- level of canon with the unweildy tier system. I checked with Darth_Culator, an @op at the wookieepedia mIRC channel, and he said that in practise we're going with the novel's events for now. adamg0d 00:36, 25 November 2008 (UTC)adamg0d
 * If that were to be the case, then we'd have to change every last Force Unleashed biography on Wookieepedia, and remove any mentions of video game exclusive events. // ~mikah~  00:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

I wouldn't say all that much work. It requires the alteration of the people who were present for that end fight. Kota, Palps, Vader, Galen would probably require the "most" work. It's really just a new paragraph of description. Bail and the other witnesses probably only have a line or two describing the scene from their POV anyway. I haven't yet looked into changing anything, wanted to do my research first and hear other thoughts. adamg0d 01:21, 25 November 2008 (UTC)adamg0d

I edited in the novel ending. I didn't change much at all, keeping the original descriptions for the most part while splicing in the odd sentence. I'll doublecheck with another admin to see if this is the kosher stance. adamg0d 03:56, 25 November 2008 (UTC)adamg0d
 * It stands to reason that the cinematic scenes from the game are the highest canon. Only the cinematic scenes, mind you. So if the game portrays Starkiller doing something in a cutscene, and the novel and/or comic portrays it differently, the game takes precedence. The novel and comic are the adaptations and thus, one would think, hold less weight. That said, it's clear that the novel/comic should take precedence over any *gameplay* segments, for obvious reasons. ( Uli Talk 04:48, 3 December 2008 (UTC))
 * Has it yet been established which version of TFU is the highest canon? Am I to understand that the PS3/360 versions override the other game versions? I mention this because if I recall correctly, one version (either PS2 or Wii, don't remember which) actually has Galen fighting Palpatine in a duel which this article does not mention. My own personal preferences aside, how can we say that the 360/PS3 version and/or the novel both override the existence of this duel?
 * I have the Wii version, and it definitely has a duel with Palpatine, assuming you make the choice to fight him vice Vader.--Anonyhm 19:16, 18 December 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it is also worth mentioning that this article (and a few related ones) could use some cleansing of point-of-view garbage. I refer specifically to the "Powers and abilities" section, which says that Galen is more powerful than Vader. I may be missing something since my knowledge of this is only going off the 360/PS3 version's cutscenes, but I see no indication whatsoever that Galen is stronger just because he beat Vader in a duel. These sort of misconceptions are also present in other articles, such as the Alliance to Restore the Republic, where it says that he "fought Palpatine to a draw". -MPK 19:07, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

I haven't played the games or read the novels or comics, but is there a way to be vague enough about the conflict to incorporate all sources, then clarify distinctions in behind the scenes? Being in a video game does not make something game mechanics by that virtue alone, and it has as high a canon level as novel writings--especially in the case of cutscenes. -BaronGrackle 17:23, 8 December 2008 (UTC)

Number of sections
I think we should dramatically reduce the number of sections in this article, it makes it look kinda messy. We don't need a section for each level of the game, and the game takes place over only a nine month time period. We should merge them into each other and name them so that the name covers a larger period. DjMack 17:26, 3 January 2009 (UTC)