Talk:Aayla Secura/Legends

Can someone please unlock this for a moment so that I can fix a double redirect problem? Can you stay off each other's throats that long?--Erl 01:43, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Aayla is DEAD. She's as dead as can be. Dozens of shots in the back should have made that obvious. Amy Allen herself debunked the rumor that the character will appear in the TV show. Please, just let this silly fanboy rumor die. JimRaynor55 07:45, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * 24.22.15.75 (try registering for a real name), provide evidence to support the rumor that Aayla could still be alive. This is getting really stupid. JimRaynor55 17:12, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Currently it says her death is disputed. Is this intended? --SparqMan 19:27, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * We've had anons changing it to "maybe she's not dead", which is a dispute in my opinion. -- Riffsyphon1024 19:30, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I've just reverted them again. Should I protect the page? -- Riffsyphon1024 22:48, 1 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * The SW.com databank has just been updated. Here's what they had to say about Aayla: "Bly and his troops opened fire, riddling Secura's body with blaster bolts and killing her."  Case closed. JimRaynor55 05:35, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes. Let's hope for a new hot chick to carry the television series ;) -- Falmarin 05:37, 6 Jul 2005 (UTC)

she is not dead! or maybe she will appear as a ghost? no....
 * ummm, she will appear in the tv-show... thats what amy said... it is not confirmed if she will appear as a minor or very important chara, but she WILL appear in the tv-show!
 * Sure she's popular among the fans. She is Miss Star Wars 2005 after all. Nevertheless, she's dead like a realyl dead fish, and she should remain dead. If Lucas and co. let all popular jedi characters survive then the Era of the Rebellion would be overrun with Jedi, and there would be no point in all that Luke-as-the-last-of-the-Jedi talk in the original trilogy. KEJ 13:09, 9 Jan 2006 (UTC)

I don't understand why everyone likes her; she's not really my style, and they need to let go. "Do not mourn those who have become One with the Force; be happy for them, you should be." --Paraphrased Yoda from RotS LOL And what "TV show" are you guys talking about??--Promus Kaa 20:36, 5 August 2006 (UTC) Sorry, I didn't see the date, lol. Promus Kaa
 * First: Please keep all opinions off of talk pages. Second: Please don't restart old topics like this one. The post before yours is dated January 9, 2006. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:38, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Usually the top of the talk page is very old, and I mean really old. ;) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:52, 7 August 2006 (UTC)

Planet
Which planet did she die on? - Sikon 04:06, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Felucia. QuentinGeorge 04:07, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

SHES DEAD! GET OVER IT! SHES AWSOME BUT THERE NO SENSE IN CRYING OVER SPILLED MILK! Aayla IS SPILT MILK! wait.Italic text"Spilt milk?" Fireball93 01:22, 3 February 2006 (UTC)
 * THere's nothing wrong in asking where she died though! KEJ 13:09, 9 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Split Milk is what we say in CANADA when something bad happens. Because in CANADA we belive we can get over things that are bad


 * Guys, calm down! Aayla is a fictional character in a fictional series...not a godess, not spilt milk, but a character in a movie. Get a hold of yourselves and stop fussing. - Darth Rabbit

She's spilled blue milk. - Darth Ceratis
 * Please don't restart old topics. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:16, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

She died on Felucia - Darth Animus
 * Please don't restart old topics. Also, remember to read them before you post&mdash;the question was already answered. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:50, 22 December 2006 (UTC)

Quote
For some reason, I have doubts about its validity. - Sikon [ Talk ] 08:54, 26 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, it is a quote from Rite of Passage. But I think we can find a better one... QuentinGeorge 08:57, 26 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Aayla secura
Aayla is dead but her twin sister Alias is alive.hid in felucia from 19 bby to 10000000 aby.maybe they got Alias confused with her sister Aayla.but unlike her twin sister Aayla she never ever got corrupt to the dark side.
 * Maybe in your Fanon universe, but this encyclopedia is a chronicle of canon facts and events only. As fas as this site is concerned, "Alias" doesn't exist and Aayla is dead. Dead, as in shot multiple times with blasters on camera and stated to be dead in the official site databank. She's a stiff. Bereft of life, she rests in peace. And attempting to dispute canon facts or post your fanon creations here is a quick way to get banned. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  22:57, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * So, should Alias Secura redirect to List of fanon creations, or should it just be speedied? &mdash; Silly Dan  23:24, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I say speedy it, and ban anyone who recreates it. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  23:26, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)

cyborg
Aayla is dead but in an episode VI shows Aayla as a Cyborg.Misson on the otherhand is alive but is a cyborg.Mission Vao and Yuthra Ban are the first cyborg Twi'lek and are Alpha.Aayla and a purple twi'lek in Return Of The Jedi are Beta.Aayla became a cyborg 2 Aby Misson and Yuthra became a cyborg 452 Bby.
 * I don't believe any word of this i think youre lying this all up. User:General Secura
 * I have given up trying to reason with this nutbar. I just clean up after him and wait patiently for someone to ban him. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  19:17, 18 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Cyborg?? what are you talking about... That's crazy! User: Ruffles
 * Ya, does anybody know what that dude is talking about? Aayla isn't in A New Hope... and Mission and Aayla are born centuries apart... didn't you notice that the title of the game was Knights of the Old Republic? Aayla lived near the end of the Republic... plus, the sith academy on Korriban was wiped out before The Phantom Menace! So, she's not even close when it comes to them being in A New Hope! Starwarsnerd 03:06, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Everyone back away slowly, maintain eye-contact, then run.*Laughs madly. Boy, aren't there enough Aayla Fanboys already, and what is up with that guy and Twi'leks? User:Ruffles

How to correctly pronounce Aayla's name
Anyone who wants to know how "Aayla" is pronounced, check out these two video interviews from Starwars.UGO.com: "Girls of Star Wars" interviewwhich features Amy Allen. and this interview with Jan Duursema. In both interviews, Aayla's name is said/pronounced.


 * I think you can also hear someone say Aayla's name in the Clone Wars cartoons (I'm not sure who says it), but I think it is pronounced the same way in the cartoon as it is in those interviews. Good interviews, I always wondered what Amy Allen's (and therefore Aayla's) voice sounded like. 151.203.164.156 20:24, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Ki-Adi-Mundi says her name is Clone Wars Chapter 21. QuentinGeorge 05:14, 9 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I always assumed it was pronounced A-lah. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:14, 8 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I read a forum once where someone said that it was pronounced: "EYE-lah". I guess they were wrong, since A-lah seems to be what Jan Duursema, Amy Allen, and Ki-Adi-Mundi use.
 * I can't watch the video, that stupid "UGO" ad always redirects me to their site! I'm not even clicking on anything! Starwarsnerd 03:02, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
 * But Clone Wars Ki-Adi pronounces it EYE-lah! DarthMRN 23:21, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Please don't restart old topics. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * When there has not been a concensus on the topic, I see no reason not to. Besides, I have left many comments and questions on talk pages specifically because I hope that some day someone will find it and spark some change. The age of a topic is irrelevant. DarthMRN 00:13, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, Ki-Adi-Mundi does pronounce her name "A-lah" and not EYE-lah. Listening closely, it almost sounds like he might be saying a quick double-A sound like Ā-ā-lah. - JMAS 01:03, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Having checked myself, I'm torn between EYE-lah and A-lah. That the A is pronounced EY doesn't help matters.DarthMRN 11:32, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * DarthMRN, people tend to ignore old topics. Restarting them doesn't help anything. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 12:01, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I certainly hope you are wrong, or else much needed changes will be overlooked. BTW, the proper pronounciations I see in certain articles, are they canon, having actual sources, or are they included by users with linguistic knowledge based on how they are pronounced in the movies? DarthMRN 14:12, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

Miss Star Wars 2005
I think Aayla deserves to win, she's the hottest babe in the Star Wars universe.

General Secura

...and we'd hate to see Bastilla win :-P KEJ 14:46, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)

I definately agree with ya, why would a hottie like Aayla lose to some KOTOR character??

Aayla's biggest fan


 * Maybe because it is normal for us humans to better like a human female than a Twi'lek one? - TopAce 20:38, 26 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * There are just a few differences: the skin color, and the head tentacles. That's it for the differences. Master Secura
 * And she's more flesh and blood than a computer generated spoiled jedi princess without who KOTOR would be a much better game :-P KEJ 20:23, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * If Khaleen was more well-known, she'd have won. But then Khaleen lacks ANY shreds of class, while Aayla is quite classy. --Master Starkeiller 20:30, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Khallen's head's too big - at least on the image in her article :-P KEJ 11:57, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Native tongue version
The Wikipedia listed it as Aayl'asecura. Anyone got a definitive ref as to which one is right?
 * Aayla Secura is the name which is used in every source. Since there are a lot of mistaken info on the standard Wikipedia (not only about SW, unfortunately), I think I would only trust the official sources. StarWars.com sure has her name as Aayla Secura, so I think this is the version we should use. - TopAce 12:24, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * He meant her name in Ryl; that's indicated to be "Aaylas'ecura" in The Dark Forces Saga, Part 4: Of the Crudest Matter. However, our Twi'lek article indicates that dividing the name up isn't always done exactly the same way, so we probably shouldn't sweat it too much if Wikipedia has something else. jSarek 14:58, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Why the heck is she listed under her Ryl name? She didn't use her Ryl name. This is fanwank.
 * Our policy is to use the most "correct" name; so, full names over nicknames, and names in the native tongue over translated names. - Lord Hydronium 11:00, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Except that Ryl takes in certain factors including superstition, the fame of the person, and other things. It could sound like anything. -- SFH 21:50, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * She never used it after she left Ryloth, or even when she was on it, to our knowledge. Aayla Secura is almost certainly her legal name in the Republic and the Jedi Temple, as it's the one she and everyone else close to her use. The two-word name is definitely the most common, dominant, and last-used name and should be used. As far as I can tell, "Chewbacca" isn't even pronouncable in Shyriiwook - if his "untranslated" name is Rawr*growl*aererareara, should he be put under that? I think it's a little useless to try and use the "native tongue" version when we're transliterating the "native tongue" into English to begin with. Yrfeloran 22:02, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * If that is her actual name, then yes. It belongs. If Chewie's real name can be written using our alphabet (and it is revealed at some point) then it will be changed to that as well.--DannyBoy7783 23:58, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Aayla was raised from a very young age by the Jedi on Republic and as can be seen, has little in common culturally with the Twi'leks of Ryloth. I doubt she ever used the Ryl version of her name. Indeed, her name might actually be "Aayla Secura" legally. QuentinGeorge 00:25, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll add that just because the Twi'leks call her Aaylas'ecura doesn't necessarily make it her "true" name. It may be her birthname (but really, Aayla's still the name and Secura the clan name), but like with Grievous, it's not what she uses even when she goes back. The Twi'leks also call Wedge Wedg'antilles, after all. I think we should go with what she decided to use, not what other people who are not her called her. Aayla doesn't want to be thought of as a pampered Twi'lek princess or as a dancing girl, she wants to be thought of as a Jedi, and she's made this very clear. Yrfeloran 04:17, 20 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed completely. I think it's abundantly clear to anyone who knows Aayla's character that she would be vehemently opposed to choosing the names the Twi'leks would call her over the name the Jedi would call her. For that matter, it's not even clear that Twi'leks in the prequel era used the traditional naming conventions, even among themselves. We see multiple scenes in Rite of Passage with Twi'leks talking to each other on Ryloth using the Core names.Dizfactor 01:35, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The Dark Forces article, however, refers to her by her Ryl name in an official context. It specifically doesn't call Anoon Bondara, Orn Free Taa, and the like by any other name, so it's not like it simply translated all the Twi'lek names.  Her name was specifically chosen to be written in its Ryl form.  As to nobody calling her by that name, that shouldn't be an issue.  Thrawn didn't go by Mitth'raw'nuruodo at all in the last years of his life, but that didn't keep it from still being his real name.  Now if Aayla officially changed her name, that's a different matter.  But there's no indication of that, and the Dark Forces article suggests otherwise, or it would call her Aayla Secura in the same way it says Bib Fortuna (whose name was officialy changed).  - Lord Hydronium 02:16, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Except she's in the 'heroes' category (and everyone else in there has the one-word name), and the others are in the 'villains' category, and none of them have one-word names. Implies that the choice of what the Twi'leks are calling people is political.Yrfeloran 16:36, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

'''I started a unified consensus track discussion about this topic here. Please voice your opinion.''' RMF 00:06, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * You're saying that one offhand reference in the Dark Forces saga outweighs countless references in comics, cartoons, and film credits, including some by the character herself? CooperTFN 02:19, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Technically speaking, wasn't that the decision with Dac? But no, I'm not saying that anything overrides anything else.  Rather, that in this specific case it calls some Twi'leks by Basic-style names and some by Ryl-style names.  I'm saying there's a reason why some were chosen one way and some another.  It could just as easily have said "Aayla Secura" as it did "Anoon Bondara".  Instead it specifically said the Ryl name, which suggests that that name was used in the interests of accuracy.  Maybe I'm wrong; it could just be random.  Again, if she actually did change her name, and didn't just go by the split name Thrawn-style, then it should be at Aayla Secura. - Lord Hydronium 02:50, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Should this be made into a vote, like was done with Grievous? RMF 04:09, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I dunno...Lord Hydronium makes a good point. If they could have left her name as 2 words why would they make it one? Pretty compelling argument I think...--DannyBoy7783 15:48, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * And I thought we already decided on having the characters under the final/most well-known name... --Tinwe 16:05, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The whole thing is a horrible situation because there are exceptions to that rule. I wasn't aware of that vote so I say move it to Aayla Secura and put "also known as Aaylas'ecura" right at the beginning in bold after "Aayla Secura".--DannyBoy7783 16:24, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a decent compromise. Yrfeloran 16:36, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * For the record, if the consensus is to move it, I don't particularly care one way or the other. I'm simply pitching in arguments for the other side.  Regarding "final/most well-known name", the problem with that is that the two aren't synonymous.  It seemed to me that in the discussion the conclusion was "final name" meant only if they changed it, like with Grievous (and not like with Thrawn, for example).  Using just the most well-known name is another kettle of fish entirely; that would have articles like Republic gunship, Jedi starfighter, and X-wing put under those names.  There are a few ways to look at the Aayla situation: She doesn't go by Aaylas'ecura at all, and has effectively changed her name to Aayla Secura.  In that case, use two names as per the consensus track.  Her name is still Aaylas'ecura, she just goes by Aayla Secura because she's among basic speakers/part of the Republic, what have you.  In that case, I can see arguments for both sides.  Keep the Ryl name because that's still her final name, as much as Mitth'raw'nurudo stayed Thrawn's name.  Or on the other hand, keep the Basic name because we're writing in English and should translate accordingly (although in that case, Mando'ade, sc'rath, etc. have some moving to do). - Lord Hydronium 21:05, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

make out
doesn't that picture look like kit is makin out with aylla? I mean why would'nt he she's got hot tits and she is sexy! 69.26.107.174
 * Errr.... KEJ 12:05, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I guess this is what happens when you let anyone say anything. Take the good with the bad. -- AdmThrawn --
 * Someone delete this comment! --Master Starkeiller 12:12, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * There is a lesson to be learned here... never let your A99 aquata breather out of your sight!!! Just look at his cheeky grin; how could anybody in the galaxy trust Kit Fisto... his name doesn't help either --Azizlight 12:15, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Kit Fisto -- date rapist? Not my Kit! -- AdmThrawn 12:18, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC) --
 * Errr.... KEJ 19:18, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * You'd be surprised at how big a market there is for alien interspecies underwater oxygen-swapping hentai. --MarcK [talk] 19:25, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Now I understand why they only want talk pages to talk about the article itself. -- SFH 19:28, 3 Jan 2006 (UTC)

who is this guy? 69.26.107.174


 * The guy who commented on Aayla's attributes? Oh, I believe that was you. KEJ 08:11, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Haha, what a dill. -- Doo Doo 01:32, 3 February 2006 (UTC)


 * ??? You don't know what you said?? HAH

Quote
I kind of like the quote. KEJ 15:09, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks KEJ, I tried really hard to find a suitable one ^^ --[[Image:BFguy.gif]]--Inmobilus 15:28, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it's cool. The only thing that would be better would be something like "KEJ, I think you're much hotter than Kit Fisto" but she's probably never gonna say anything like that :-( ..... No, I think the quote you've found is very cool, because she's a female, but she can still kick butt the Jedi way KEJ 15:35, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * hahaha, lol ^^ --[[Image:BFguy.gif]]--Inmobilus 15:38, 11 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, the quote is very good. And even funnier is that it's Aayla's cousin who says it. Aayla should say: "I don't care if you're my cousin, i don't care that you're the clan Secura heir, but if you CLAIM that i am no good Jedi then you're toast, twerp." Master Secura

Her rank
In obsession 1, Obi-wan refers to her as Master Secura. Did she at anytime ascend to the rank of master, or is this just a glitch?


 * Yes, is she a master or what? In the Sith Snapshot showing her belly jewel, it also says 'Master Secura'. Master Secura
 * "Master" is used as a honorific term for all Jedi of the rank of knight and above. Note in AOTC, Kenobi is called "Master Kenobi" despite only being a knight. QuentinGeorge 20:03, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * But Kenobi was actively training a padawn learner at the time. Does this mean Aayla had a padawan? -- SFH 20:10, 22 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Aayla was leading a force of clones at the time that Order 66 was executed. I was under the impression that those Jedi in such "leader positions" during that time were Masters and that those of lesser rank served beneath them, but still above clones themselves. I believe she had her own unit of clone troopers. Perhaps that was just the impression I got.
 * Anakin was a knight, yet was also a General. QuentinGeorge 08:36, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
 * In the new Sith Snapshot of her it again says: Jedi Master Aayla Secura. Master Secura
 * I would very much question that, since she never trained a padawan. QuentinGeorge 11:20, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe Aayla did not train a padawan at all, though it was common for a jedi knight to be a general, such as Barriss Offee on Felucia with Aayla, she was a Knight, though also having a Padawan at that time according to some sources. I think it was also possible for Aayla to have been appointed Master for some other reason then training a Padawan.  In ROTS Mace Windu said to Anakin that we have not given you the rank of Master despite being on the Council.  I think this does show that there was a possibility that Anakin be appointed as a Master, other than training a Padawan.  This could have been the case with Aayla too, espicially with regards to her knowledge of the dark side. - --Master Sage 22:34, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * What do you mean "knowledge of the dark side"? She has no more knowledge than Obi-Wan Kenobi, and he wasn't a Master until the age of 36. Anakin expected the title because he was on the Council - but Secura was never near that stage, and, keep in mind, she only became a knight in 28 BBY. QuentinGeorge 05:07, 6 March 2006 (UTC)
 * They never did say whose Padawan Zonder was... CooperTFN 22:37, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Saesee Tiin never took a Padawan yet he became a master and a council member. Randar Kal 01:39, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
 * You've just answered your own question. He became a Master because he became a Council Member. Aayla was neither. QuentinGeorge 20:04, 8 March 2006 (UTC)
 * With regard to QuentinGeorge's last post: It clearly says in Aayla's entry here that she turned to the dark side at one point; http://starwars.wikicities.com/wiki/Aayla_Secura#Brush_with_the_dark_side
 * "Brushing" the dark side doesn't give you knowledge over it. QuentinGeorge 11:01, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * All Jedi Knights were Generals within the Republic's army, all Jedi Masters were High Generals, and all Padawans were Commanders. This was put into place by Palpatine. But in Star Wars: Legacy of the Force - Betrayal, one of the characters said that Aayla Secura was a Jedi Master. But then again, that could be stipulated as misinformation on the character's part. So, I personally think it could go either way... until someone like Leland Chee gives an official word.--Master Dakari 03:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, you're wrong on some of that. Not all Jedi Knights were Generals; nor were all Padawans Jedi Commanders. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:17, 8 January 2007 (UTC)

Ornamentation picture
Though entertaining, is it entirely necessary? Not that I couldn't use an excuse to stare at her navel. Still, I'm half expecting the next picture to be "Breasts. Aayla has two of them.  They're quite nice."
 * LOL I think I just shot half a coke out of my nose when I read that! Seriously though, I agree that perhaps the image should be sized down a bit. It's one of the biggest pics on the page the way it is. Cull Tremayne 22:01, 10 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I uploaded the original version of that image. I thought it was interesting and gave some insight into the character. I agree though it is a bit large...I think it should stay but be sized down a little. bit. In defense of this, I think Darth Maul's earring should also be pictured. If I find one I'll probably post it.User:DannyBoy7783
 * Can someone please add that breast picture in?
 * im all for that, erm i mean yes the picture needs to be resized... Jedi Dude 19:01, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Is This Fanon?
In her early life, it is said the Quinlan Vos and Secura witnessed a Dug threating a Gungan on Tatooine. Could it be that the two could have aided Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan in their mission back to Coruscant? Or did domebody feel like putting their two cents in. --Quidon88 19:43, 18 May 2006 (UTC)


 * in episode 1, you can actually see Quin Lan in the background when this happened, whther Aayla is there is debatable Jedi Dude 14:35, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Last bio paragraph
Kudos to whoever wrote this, it is absolutely hilarious!--Commander Jake 09:18, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Goddess writtings
''However, despite the attempts of the Empire, Aayla was remembered by the peoples of the worlds she aided, in some cases merging with pre-existing goddess myths or historical figures. Even as late as 40 ABY, the descendents of such worlds were still writing fictituous accounts of her life.'' Is this supposed to be a reference to all the fanon that speculated that Aayla was alive? -- SFH 18:43, 15 July 2006 (UTC)

--- I think it's in a Legacy of the Force book.


 * Its in Betrayel Jedi Dude 14:35, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * But I don't think it was meant to be that. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:52, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * nope, i'll find the exact paragraph later, it didn't mean hat it currently says though. It was more like becasue of how mystical the jedi were some such as Aayla became associated with gods etc. Jedi Dude 14:56, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, because I don't remember anything about "fictituous accounts of her life". Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 15:03, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, that's exactly what it's referring to. The phrase "fictive cycles", or similar, is used - Kwenn 16:05, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Page 299: "[...] Even today, educated immigrants from those cultures will write fictive cycles about her, some of them amazingly prurient." - Kwenn 16:10, 23 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh. Thank you. I guess I should have read Betrayal closer. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:27, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Noticed something in Aayla Secura's article
-Aayla Secura and Kit Fisto had a relation ship, and now they can't get children, but a close relationship is against the Jedi Code.

Hmmm...I did notice that in Aayla Secura's article they put this sentence...

"Aayla was known to have an especially close friendship with Master Kit Fisto, a friendship that would have become something more, as fellow Jedi speculated, had neither of them been a Jedi of that period."

I was wondering what it would have amounted too...they might've loved each other, but then what would happen? They most certainly wouldn't have children, imagine! Twi'lek x Nautolan children running around...

I know, I meant if they weren't Jedi, they still wouldn't be able to have children because they are both different species, right? --
 * Don't mean to be rude, but this would be better off asked here: Talk: Aayla Secura. -- Riffsyphon1024 15:55, 31 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Sorry...that's okay. I don't take things personally. Ummm...I'll copy all this to the talk page of that article and erase all the text here and an admin can delete it. - Darth Rabbit
 * I don't think a Twi'lek and a Nautolan can reproduce... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:49, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's what I figured, so technically that sentence would be incorrect, right? - Darth Rabbit
 * They probably would have been married or something, though. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 18:56, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * There's recently been a debate over on the OS forums that's ended with the conclusion (supported by VIPs) that Humans and Twi'leks can't reproduce, so it's unlikely Nautolans and Twi'leks can either - Kwenn 20:58, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, if VIPs wouldn't have supported it, I would have said that maybe a future source (The New Essential Guide to Alien Species, perhaps?) would say something like "Humans and Twi'lek can reproduce, as well as Nautolans and Twi'leks". Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:12, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Big key note is that they're different species. One of the definitions of being a different species is that you're genetically incompatible in just about every situation known.  Given the amount of people who seem to like to interact with Twi'leks, I'm pretty sure that if they were compatible in even the remotest sense, you'd have heard about it by now.  One of the challenges with interspecies is that you can't have kids.--LightWarden 17:32, 6 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Physics are different in Star Wars... Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:07, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Better Quote
I find the quote to be sexist and does not capture the likeness of the person at all in any way. Can we please find another one?
 * I've never liked it myself (not because it's "sexist") but simply because it sounds off. Anyway, scrounged up some...

"This girl - Aayla - she called me through the Force. She helped me calm me in battle with the wampa. Could she be... A Jedi? Perhaps."

- Quinlan Vos and Tholme

"The Light is greater then the anger of the darkness, Quin. I know. Because you told me that long ago...Master."

- Aayla Secura

"You underestimate Jeedai, my son!"

- Tsyr

-- Redemption Talk 02:03, 19 November 2006 (UTC)


 * When I say sexist I mean that is the message that the quote gives, that the person who is saying that is sexist. These are all great quotes.--Herbsewell 02:19, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. If any, I think number one is pretty good. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 03:20, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Main image
Which image is best for the main infobox?

Option 1

 * 1) This has a better quality and no distracting background. Besides, full-body images aren't always necessary. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:17, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) I vote this one only because the other pic is so commonly used. -- Ozzel 04:39, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Closest to being encyclopedic. .  .  .  .  02:24, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Option 2

 * 1) This image shows the complete package, including lekku and doesn't cut her elbow off on one arm. - JMAS 21:15, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) I'm fine with this one, background and all. The newer, bigger version is even better. -- Darth Culator  (Talk)(Kills) 00:54, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) Better picture, and who cares if there's a background? jSarek 02:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 17:48, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 17:49, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 6)  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 22:34, 2 February 2007 (UTC)

Option 3

 * 1) This is much better.Herbsewell 02:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) *Aside from the rakish angle of the sabre blade... .  .  .  .  11:04, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Comments

 * If it wasn't for the background in Option 2, then I'd vote it in a heartbeat. Any objections to cropping it? -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 22:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I think that'd be fine, but the background would still be too distracting. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:12, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I mean cut the background out entirley and give it a grey background. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 23:27, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No. That makes it fan-modified, and therefore fanart. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:28, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * So?--Herbsewell 23:34, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Fanart is not used in articles because it's not canon. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:35, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * So promotional images are?--Herbsewell 23:38, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, promotional images are canon. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:39, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * So does that mean at some point Boba Fett stood in a Grey Room?--Herbsewell 23:41, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * They're official images, Herbsewell. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:42, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah but are they canon?--Herbsewell 23:43, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * If they're official, they're canon. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:44, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * So Luke Skywalker once posed in a grey room?--Herbsewell 23:46, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, stop it. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:48, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm just asking a question.--Herbsewell 23:49, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * A very pointless one. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:50, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Well if that's your opinion. Actually, a large portion of the images are cropped.--Herbsewell 23:51, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's not an issue. It's still an official promotional image. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, which can be cropped.--Herbsewell 23:55, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * But not like what Redemption was thinking. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:57, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No...main images like the one for Padme have had the background cropped.--Herbsewell 00:00, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * What Jack is saying is, that by removing the background and making it gray, you'd be making the image into a fan-modified image. His opinion is that makes it no longer canon. However, there is no rule that states that fan edited images cannot be used. In the meantime though, I've cropped down the image. - JMAS 00:02, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * JMAS, we don't use fan-modified images. Same reason why we don't put fanon in the articles. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 01:08, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Like it or not, the fact is that we do. -- Ozzel 01:26, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * The image is fine just as it is, but taking the Option 2 image and making the background grey does not make the image fanon. Taking that image of Aayla and then photoshopping her onto an image with a Mustafar background, or an image with Luke Skywalker in it, for example, that would be fanon. - JMAS 01:28, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Fan-modified images are all the same. The examples Ozzel provided should be removed from any articles they are currently on. Keeping them would just incite others to modified other images to use in articles. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 01:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh no, please not another vote on Luke Skywalker's main image... -- Ozzel 01:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * There's nothing wrong with isolating an image's essential component. It's a common practice, and I do it myself. As long as the subject itself isn't modified in some way that's incompatible with canon, I don't see any problem. -- Darth Culator  (Talk)(Kills) 01:54, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Partially done. I'm having trouble with the saber (no idea why - used to be able to make pretty good ones). Anyone who is (and I know someone is), insert the blade.-- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 02:34, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

"If any, I'd say number four. But honestly, it's not as good as the current main image."
 * I'll add one tonight when I get home to my Photoshop. - JMAS 02:47, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Why are we bothering? Is it that important that an infobox image have no background?  The background doesn't draw attention from the subject in any way or lead to confusion as to what the subject is.  Just leave it be. jSarek 02:52, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * (A) Because the background is distracting. Though I do know that Aayla is the subject, my eyes are still darting to the background. (B) Because we can. Articles can't be just "fine". They have to be perfect. Always go for the top. The best. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 02:56, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I really don't think there's any need to remove the background. My statement of a fact earlier was not necessarily indicative my opinion. I'm not completely against editing images per se, but in a case like this, I don't see why it's at all necessary. "Distracting" is subjective; I think it looks fine (even if it is obviously a fake backdrop). I don't think it should be removed just for the sake of removing it. -- Ozzel 04:44, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, got it with a lightsaber. Although, I do agree with jSarek. I don't think removing the original background is necessary. - JMAS 04:51, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * "Perfection" is subjective, Redemption. Some of us find the authenticity of an original image, and the richness of context provided by the surroundings depicted therein, to be more "perfect" than the allegedly improved aesthetics of isolating the topic of the image. jSarek 07:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'd agree. If image two were to win, use the Geonosis version, not these newer versions. Besides, her lightsaber's color is different in this fan-modified image. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 12:04, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed. We shouldn't be using edited images. There's nothing wrong with having a background; the image is a bonafide promotional pic from AotC anyway, so LucasFilm has no qualms about releasing images with various backgrounds. The fact remains that Redemption's images have been Photoshopped, and their use will only propogate similarly-edited images, which we don't want - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 17:33, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * But we are already doing it. Ozzel already stated which articles use it. If you don't wish to use the grey modified background, then that is something for the community to decide. Even our dear admins do not control this aspect (sorry, but you don't - it's a community decision) -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 20:40, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Just because we're currently using fan-modified images doesn't mean it's right, Redemption. That's something that can, should, and likely will be changed. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:53, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Technically, an admin just gave the okay to use images if only the background has been cut. Unless you find better one, then tough luck, Jack. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 22:07, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't care what an admin said about this. Admins don't get to decide what's canon and what's not. Fan-modified images are not canon. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 22:11, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * As long as the character itself isn't modified or placed in a weird environment, then it can still be considered canon. The background only serves to make the subject standout. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 22:15, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Besides Jack, if the majority of the Wookieepedians can accept modified images as being canon, then there's nothing you can really do about it.--Herbsewell 23:30, 1 February 2007 (UTC)
 * If the majority of Wookieepedians told you to jump off a cliff, would you do so? I don't think so. The fact remains that fan-modified images, no matter how much people like them, are not canon. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 01:33, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * So why don't you take all of them off for us?--Herbsewell 01:36, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Because, judging by what others have said, they would revert my edit and/or start a similar vote. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 01:38, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Well I like my promotional images cropped, and the background changed.--Herbsewell 01:42, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * And that's just an opinion. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 01:43, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, but the majority goes.--Herbsewell 01:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * However, not all of Wookieepedia has voted. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 01:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * When has all of Wookieepedia ever voted? -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 01:46, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah... That's what stinks about having votes. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 01:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, just to jump in here, we do in fact use fan made images. Image:Ben Skywalker.JPG and Image:Rokur Gepta.jpg are both recolored. Although that's to correct canonical flaws, not to make them fit any aesthetic standard. -LtNOWIS 02:03, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * If it holds any weight, I've fixed up the lightsaber. I'm going to throw it into the race...despite what others may say. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 02:19, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * For the record, Jack, you've supported having images modified in PhotoShop etc. before to improve quality. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 05:48, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I may be wrong, but I think Jack also supported the infamous Boba Fett image. Mind you, I would have too. .  .  .  .  07:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I did... And I've realized that fan-modified pictures, no matter how good they look, are no substitution for official images. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 12:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh really? Well, Obi-Wan Kenobi has been doing a hell of a job. As is Krynda Draay. Should I mention the Infinite Empire? Or maybe I should leave out Rune Haako. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 20:34, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Peoples' opinions are no substitutions for official images. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:37, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * And yes, Redemption, you should mention those articles, so we can replace their non-canonical images. Just because a mistake has already been made, doesn't make it OK to do so again - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 20:38, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes. We must do what must be done. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:40, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Strange. If I recall correctly, you defended a fan-modified image.

- Nebulax Don't give anyone that bullshit about "it's no substitution". And Kween, I give you all the luck in the world finding a replacement. All images that I listed were modified for the sake of the article. Anyone who has any taste should know that. -- Redemption  Talk 20:41, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Redemption, opinions can change over time. I support the removal of all fan-made images now. You do not make canon. Lucasfilm makes canon, and they certainly didn't make that fan-made image. So don't give me any of your bullshit. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:43, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I've replaced the Krynda Draay image because the edited version had been horribly and obviously Photoshopped. We don't want to set that as an example - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 20:44, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That image has been up since the day the comic came out so no more bullshit about it being "obviously" photoshopped. Jack, you've been giving your bullshit to everyone for far too long now. It's time for this to end. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 20:45, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Redemption, shut up. You're the one who's supporting the addition of fanon to Wookieepedia. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Fanon is untrue to the SW universe. All promotional shots are fanon then since Aayla never stood in front of a grey screen. And just so you know, you have no authority to give anyone orders. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 20:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No, non-canon is untrue to the SW universe. Fanon is material created or edited by fans. Also, those other three examples you provided have no sources. Like I said, we'd only be making it worse by continuing with this practice - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 20:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Besides, Redemption, your fanon images will be removed. It's as simple as that. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:52, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Removing a freakin bubble from an image doesn't affect canon one or the other. As long as the subject is not modifed that who gives a rats ass? -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 20:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, in the case of Krynda at least, the subject was modified, as the bubble was obscuring part of her dress. The left side was then copied over to the right when the bubble was removed - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 20:54, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Removing text from bubbles is probably okay, but everything else definitely isn't. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:57, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm not changing anything about the dress. It was kept in line with everything else. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 21:00, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You're still modifying the image. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:01, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * When removing text, it's modifying the image. When you resize the image. It's modifying it. When you crop it. Modified. By your standards, every single image should be removed. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 21:05, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * No. Those edits to an image aren't changing the main image or the background. Cropping is, slightly, but it's still not changing the whole thing, which would make it fan-modified. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:08, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I know this very hard for you to comprehend and understand, but there is no difference between whiting out a bubble and whiting a background. Same concept. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 21:10, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Wrong. Removing an entire background makes the image fan-modified. What's so hard about understanding that? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:12, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Actually, I'd rather not white out speech bubbles at all. So what if it shows a bit of text? That's unavoidable if we're taking images from a comic - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 21:13, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * A text removed image is just as fan-modified as a background removed image. You are incapable of understanding that since you have never once removed a background yourself. Same EXACT thing. Same exact tools and same concept. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 21:15, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm gonna give this until the end of my day tomorrow before I change the main image to Option 2, as it has twice as many votes as Option 1. - JMAS 21:00, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Option 3 in my opinion is the best. It has everything from option 2, without the distracting backround.--Herbsewell 22:06, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Let's keep it civil everyone. So far, Image 2 is the current favorite, though I think we should give it until this time February 4 in order to give more people a chance. Jack and Redemption, no personal attacks please- and that goes for telling people to "shut up" also. It's not worth it to fight over a picture. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 22:18, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Tell it to someone who doesn't spend time fixing an image up to a bunch of ungrateful children and if I didn't do this and defend my poitns then we'd have a very ugly articles. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 22:26, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Look, I appreciate the work everyone has done for this, including making the images. But there's no point in getting heated about it. It won't do anything, and personal attacks only make people more stubborn rather than change their mind. I suggest everyone just cool off for awhile . . . let the vote work. I'm not going to down anyone's contributions to this site, I just want some civility. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 22:31, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Regardless, fan-modified images are going. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:21, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't count your chickens before they've hatched. Neither you or Kween has the authority to declare that...and since the admins themselves seem torn on this matter themselves, a consensus track has been opened...oh yes, and if you lose your little crusade, surprise me and don't act like you usually do... -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 23:25, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Why don't you stop acting like an asshole already? For God's sake, all you've done is treated me like dirt. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:35, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * If the shoe fits...-- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 23:47, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * If you hate me so much, which you obviously do, keep it off of talk pages. This bickering is getting us nowhere. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:49, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Besides, what did I ever do to you to make you hate me so much? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 23:51, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't believe in hating anyone online. The internet is nothing more then an extension of a machine. A machine is cold and lifeless. No feelings are felt either way. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|20px]] Talk 23:53, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * And you've both been given cooldown bans. Please don't start again once they're over. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 23:57, 2 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You know...there's a reason we have a comments section Thefourdotelipsis. You don't comment on the vote section, that's where we put votes. You comment on the comment section, that's why it's called the "comments section".--Herbsewell 13:58, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * So... Is this over? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 16:17, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * As for the voting, I think we're going to give it until the end of the 02/04/07. As for the arguing ... I certainly hope so. =) I really never intended this to get so heated when I started the vote. - JMAS 17:03, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I didn't expect it, either. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 20:09, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Herb: Well, if you want to comment on a particular vote, you can comment in the votes section. It's done and has been done. .  .  .  .  22:30, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Besides, there's no rule on it. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 00:16, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I was just telling you commonsense. Besides, there's no reason to criticize a particular vote.--Herbsewell 00:17, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Who said anything about criticizing a vote? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 00:20, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Thefourdotelipsis did. He specifically took the point that I made in my vote and criticized it.--Herbsewell 00:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 * That's just the way he is. No offense, Fourdot. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 00:23, 4 February 2007 (UTC)