Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Log/2007 March 3

Mar 03 18:04:02 	Alright, no sense in waiting if Xwing will only be here for less than an hour. Mar 03 18:04:05 	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Imperial_Navy Mar 03 18:04:08 	Imperial Navy. Mar 03 18:04:24 	Alright, we looked, and this was basically written entirely by VT-16. Mar 03 18:04:32 	Images will need the Info temp. Mar 03 18:04:36 	Soo...what needs to be done? Or is it up to snuff? Mar 03 18:04:51 	Oh yeah, and does someone want to log this? Mar 03 18:05:02 	Remove - No history, no citations, list and image heavy. Mar 03 18:05:16 	Give VT-16 a week to have it cited. Mar 03 18:05:23 	Just by looking at it I would suspect that more could be written Mar 03 18:05:25 	Heh. He'll "want" to do it, so yes. Mar 03 18:05:30 	But, otherwise, remove. Mar 03 18:05:33 	I've got it logged automatically Mar 03 18:05:44 	Source or die. Mar 03 18:05:51 	Dammit, what the hell is Jaina doing? Mar 03 18:05:51 	Too listy, needs citations. Mar 03 18:05:56 <The4dotelipsis>	And a "History" section is a must. Mar 03 18:06:07 <Cull_Tremayne>	Soooo... Remove? Mar 03 18:06:13 <Havac>	Expansion needed, Mar 03 18:06:13 <Cull_Tremayne>	All in support? Mar 03 18:06:18 <Havac>	Remove/ Mar 03 18:06:30 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. Mar 03 18:06:38 <Culator|Hereish>	Remove if unsourced. Let it be otherwise. Mar 03 18:06:39 <Cull_Tremayne>	Remember, we need 100 percent support. Mar 03 18:06:39 <Xwing328>	remove Mar 03 18:06:45 <Eyrezer>	How does this work? Is it removed straight away or are people given time to work on it?> Mar 03 18:06:46 <Culator|Hereish>	OK then, remove. Mar 03 18:06:53 <Xwing328>	also, some redundant see also links Mar 03 18:06:54 <Cull_Tremayne>	They get...I think a week. Mar 03 18:06:55 <Havac>	Quesry: we're tagging it for removal with a "Fix it or die" message and giving some time to do it, right?\ Mar 03 18:06:59 <Cull_Tremayne>	Yes. Mar 03 18:07:02 <Havac>	Or are we just killing it now? Mar 03 18:07:15 <Cull_Tremayne>	Oh yeah, we better decide now. How long do we give them? A week? Or two weeks? Mar 03 18:07:25 <Havac>	Two weeks. Mar 03 18:07:26 <Culator|Hereish>	2 weeks feels fair. Mar 03 18:07:28 <Xwing328>	2 Mar 03 18:07:29 <Eyrezer>	I thnk 2 Mar 03 18:07:30 <The4dotelipsis>	A week. Mar 03 18:07:33 <The4dotelipsis>	Bah. Mar 03 18:07:34 <Xwing328>	That's the standard - 2 Mar 03 18:07:36 <Cull_Tremayne>	2 weeks passes. Mar 03 18:07:38 <Culator|Hereish>	People have lives. Mar 03 18:07:41 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright, next article. Mar 03 18:07:47 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. Mar 03 18:07:50 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ugghhh.. Palpatine. Mar 03 18:07:51 <Eyrezer>	ANyone got a word count on the Navy? Mar 03 18:07:57 <Cull_Tremayne>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Palpatine Mar 03 18:08:04 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. Mar 03 18:08:07 <Culator|Hereish>	Oh dear Kyle. Mar 03 18:08:11 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ahhh...no, but it's definitely beyond 1000 words. Mar 03 18:08:14 <Havac>	Give me sources or give me removal. Mar 03 18:08:16 <The4dotelipsis>	Play by play account, no citations. Mar 03 18:08:23 <Eyrezer>	(Re Navy - Remove) Mar 03 18:08:32 <Havac>	Remove conclusions. Mar 03 18:08:37 <Eyrezer>	yep Mar 03 18:08:39 <Cull_Tremayne>	Sorry Eyrezer, thought you already voted. :-P Mar 03 18:08:43 <Havac>	It's an encyclopedia article, not a scholarly essay. Mar 03 18:08:44 <Eyrezer>	(np) Mar 03 18:08:46 <Culator|Hereish>	Palpatine: Source or die. That's the only problem I really have with it. Mar 03 18:08:56 <The4dotelipsis>	It's got too many notes. Mar 03 18:09:00 <The4dotelipsis>	Too much info. Mar 03 18:09:05 <Cull_Tremayne>	Erik's a sourcing kind of guy, he'll "want" to do it as well. Mar 03 18:09:07 <The4dotelipsis>	And then he did this, and then this, and then this. Mar 03 18:09:07 <Havac>	Florid prose and analysis needs removal. Mar 03 18:09:08 <The4dotelipsis>	No thanks. Mar 03 18:09:23 <The4dotelipsis>	It's improved, but not enough. Mar 03 18:09:26 <Xwing328>	It's just way too huge. I'm still looking over it Mar 03 18:09:27 <Havac>	Or not removal, but paring down to reasonable levels. Mar 03 18:09:50 <Eyrezer>	definitely needs summarising Mar 03 18:10:08 <Culator|Hereish>	Some BTS bits need condensing. Conclusions should go. Mar 03 18:10:11 <Cull_Tremayne>	So, for future reference (We'll need to write this in the notice): Problems? Sourcing, Conclusions, too artsy? Mar 03 18:10:19 <Xwing328>	anybody run a spellcheck over it? Mar 03 18:10:30 <Eyrezer>	too many rhetorical qs Mar 03 18:10:33 <The4dotelipsis>	Reads like a play by play account, too much speculation, no sourcing. Mar 03 18:10:36 <Havac>	Write it in the notice, and leave a link on the talkpage to its INQ page. Mar 03 18:10:39 <Culator|Hereish>	Firefox gives up spellchecking less than halfway in. Mar 03 18:10:49 <Cull_Tremayne>	We are logging this. We're going to be official. Mar 03 18:10:57 <The4dotelipsis>	And inform the primrary contributer. Mar 03 18:11:01 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright, so removal? All in support? Mar 03 18:11:10 <Xwing328>	eh... Mar 03 18:11:19 <Cull_Tremayne>	Uh oh. :-P Mar 03 18:11:19 <Havac>	Hydro should be on in a minute Mar 03 18:11:27 <Havac>	Support removal. Mar 03 18:11:30 <Cull_Tremayne>	I say yes for removal. Mar 03 18:11:44 <Culator|Hereish>	Tag it and bag it. Mar 03 18:11:45 <Eyrezer>	remove Mar 03 18:11:51 <Xwing328>	I guess remove Mar 03 18:11:55 <Cull_Tremayne>	Remember, unanimous. Mar 03 18:12:18 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. Mar 03 18:12:21 <Cull_Tremayne>	Eh, we know 4dot's feelings, removal. Mar 03 18:12:30 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright, next article. Mar 03 18:12:38 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ben Kenobi. Mar 03 18:12:42 <The4dotelipsis>	Obi-Wan - Is currently undergoing sourcing. Mar 03 18:12:43 <The4dotelipsis>	Keep. Mar 03 18:12:44 <Cull_Tremayne>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Obi-Wan_Kenobi Mar 03 18:12:56 <Eyrezer>	looks good to me Mar 03 18:13:09 <Cull_Tremayne>	In depth enough, etc.? Mar 03 18:13:10 <Havac>	Keep. Mar 03 18:13:15 <Culator|Hereish>	Obi-Wan has held up well, and sourcing is in progress. Let him live. Mar 03 18:13:18 <Havac>	It's not perfect, but it's good enough for FA. Mar 03 18:13:21 <Cull_Tremayne>	All in support of removal? Mar 03 18:13:27 <Cull_Tremayne>	All opposed? Mar 03 18:13:32 <Havac>	Standard maintenance should keep it OK. Mar 03 18:13:43 <Havac>	Kenobi stays. Mar 03 18:13:46 <Xwing328>	on sources: the intro shouldn't be referenced Mar 03 18:13:51 <The4dotelipsis>	Why not? Mar 03 18:13:55 <Xwing328>	but that's just nitpickiness Mar 03 18:14:01 <Xwing328>	see Wookieepedia:Sourcing Mar 03 18:14:02 <Cull_Tremayne>	Seriously? Mar 03 18:14:03 -->	Jaina (n=4571a92f@host112.toad-host.com) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius Mar 03 18:14:04 <Havac>	I'm pretty sure we've agreed to source intros. Mar 03 18:14:07 <Cull_Tremayne>	That sucks I say. Mar 03 18:14:07 <Eyrezer>	Welcome Mar 03 18:14:07 ---	Culator|Hereish gives channel operator status to Jaina Mar 03 18:14:12 <Culator|Hereish>	Since removal has to be unanimous, we should only have to say aye for removal. Mar 03 18:14:14 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright, we have our seventh. Mar 03 18:14:18 <The4dotelipsis>	Well, I'm sure as heck sourcing intros. Mar 03 18:14:22 <Eyrezer>	There is no need to source intros Mar 03 18:14:24 <Xwing328>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Sourcing#_note-0 Mar 03 18:14:30 <Eyrezer>	but this is not the place for the debate Mar 03 18:14:33 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ok, Jaina, we're going to have to have you go back and vote on Imperial Navy and Palpatine. Support for Removal? Mar 03 18:14:45 <Culator|Hereish>	Hydro is also on Wikia CGI. Mar 03 18:14:59 <Culator|Hereish>	Or was. Mar 03 18:15:05 <Cull_Tremayne>	Jaina? Mar 03 18:15:16 <Havac>	Yeah, I just noticed that. Mar 03 18:15:18 <Jaina>	I thought I couldn't vote because I was an Inq. at large Mar 03 18:15:28 <Jaina>	I am* Mar 03 18:15:29 <Cull_Tremayne>	Yes, but we only have 7 at the moment, so you're voting. Mar 03 18:15:29 <Havac>	If he tries again, we'll tell him to get a client. Mar 03 18:15:30 <Culator|Hereish>	You've been drafted. Mar 03 18:15:35 <The4dotelipsis>	Well, Ataru, our "Master", aint here, so you can take his place. Mar 03 18:15:39 <Cull_Tremayne>	So vote. :-P Mar 03 18:15:39 <Xwing328>	same here apparently :P Mar 03 18:16:00 <Jaina>	Ok Mar 03 18:16:10 <Havac>	He's back with a client. Mar 03 18:16:11 -->	LordHydronium (n=Miranda@cpe-76-167-223-147.socal.res.rr.com) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius Mar 03 18:16:11 <Cull_Tremayne>	So, just agree that Palpatine and Imperial Navy should be removed from FA status, and we'll move on. :-P Mar 03 18:16:14 ---	Culator|Hereish gives channel operator status to LordHydronium Mar 03 18:16:17 <LordHydronium>	ah, finally Mar 03 18:16:25 <Havac>	Yeah, you need a client. Mar 03 18:16:37 <Culator|Hereish>	Or an unrestricted gateway. Mar 03 18:16:49 <Havac>	Technically, we've got too many now, don't we? Mar 03 18:16:54 <Cull_Tremayne>	Dangit, let's get that seventh vote so we can move on! Jaina or Hydro vote real quick! Mar 03 18:17:01 <Culator|Hereish>	I may need to go. Mar 03 18:17:12 <Havac>	We'd need two votes to keep. Mar 03 18:17:18 <Cull_Tremayne>	It's fine. But now we only need 7, so get your vote in quick. :-P Mar 03 18:17:21 <LordHydronium>	what are we voting on? Mar 03 18:17:28 <The4dotelipsis>	Obi-Wan. Mar 03 18:17:29 <Cull_Tremayne>	We just did the first past FAs. Mar 03 18:17:48 <Cull_Tremayne>	So, we need a seventh vote for removing Imperial Navy and Palpatine from FA status. Mar 03 18:17:50 <Havac>	Removal for Imperial Navy, removal for Palps, now we're on Kenobi. Mar 03 18:18:07 <Havac>	If you vote keep on the first two, they don't get removed. Mar 03 18:18:14 <LordHydronium>	nah, remove both Mar 03 18:18:21 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright, moving on. Mar 03 18:18:28 <Cull_Tremayne>	Obi-Wan is kept, since we had like 4 votes in support. Mar 03 18:18:32 <Cull_Tremayne>	So next article. Mar 03 18:18:34 <Cull_Tremayne>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/SuperShadow Mar 03 18:18:37 <Xwing328>	ugh!! Mar 03 18:18:38 <Cull_Tremayne>	SuperShadow. Mar 03 18:18:40 <Culator|Hereish>	Kill it. Mar 03 18:18:41 <The4dotelipsis>	We can't remove this enough. Mar 03 18:18:42 <Havac>	Mickey! Mar 03 18:18:45 <Culator|Hereish>	Make it die. Mar 03 18:18:51 <Culator|Hereish>	Make it suffer and then die. Mar 03 18:18:53 <Cull_Tremayne>	Remember, we need reasons. Mar 03 18:18:57 <Havac>	Source or die. Mar 03 18:18:59 <Culator|Hereish>	Unsourced. Mar 03 18:19:01 <Culator|Hereish>	POV. Mar 03 18:19:03 <The4dotelipsis>	POV-ridden, unsouced. Mar 03 18:19:04 <Eyrezer>	I think that if a couple of sections get rewritten it could be kept Mar 03 18:19:17 <Xwing328>	It has a lot of formatting to be fixed also Mar 03 18:19:19 <Cull_Tremayne>	This is apprently the work of someone on Wikipedia as well, so contacting may be a little hard. Mar 03 18:19:20 <Havac>	Also horribly disorganized. Mar 03 18:19:21 <LordHydronium>	lots of lists Mar 03 18:19:26 <The4dotelipsis>	And list-intensive. Mar 03 18:19:33 <Culator|Hereish>	It wasonly featured to make a point. Mar 03 18:19:41 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright, I think we have our reasons. All in support of removal of FA status? Mar 03 18:19:41 <Culator|Hereish>	The need for that point is long gone. Mar 03 18:19:41 <Havac>	Ditch it. Mar 03 18:19:46 <Havac>	Remove Mar 03 18:19:46 <Culator|Hereish>	KILL. Mar 03 18:19:57 <Jaina>	Remove it's FA status Mar 03 18:19:57 <Cull_Tremayne>	Remember...unanimous. :-P Mar 03 18:19:59 <LordHydronium>	death Mar 03 18:20:02 <Havac>	Suttle or the article, Culator? Mar 03 18:20:05 <Culator|Hereish>	BOTH Mar 03 18:20:05 <Havac>	I support both. Mar 03 18:20:23 <Xwing328>	Die Mar 03 18:20:23 <Cull_Tremayne>	Xwing...Eyrezer...4dot? :P Mar 03 18:20:25 <Havac>	Not unanimous anymore. Mar 03 18:20:33 <Havac>	Just 7 votes. Mar 03 18:20:39 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ah, of course. I just won't vote to make it simple. Mar 03 18:20:50 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. Mar 03 18:21:17 <Cull_Tremayne>	I'm tired of waiting. Remove. NEXT! Mar 03 18:21:30 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright, the next is http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Clone_trooper Mar 03 18:21:33 <Cull_Tremayne>	Clone Trooper Mar 03 18:21:47 <Havac>	Cite. Mar 03 18:21:52 <Havac>	Make the sectioning make sense. Mar 03 18:21:54 <The4dotelipsis>	Not terrible. Needs citations. Mar 03 18:22:00 <The4dotelipsis>	And lists could be on a subpage. Mar 03 18:22:11 <Culator|Hereish>	Pic sourcing. Mar 03 18:22:17 <The4dotelipsis>	Or a completely seperate page. Mar 03 18:22:22 <Xwing328>	not terrible, somewhat listy Mar 03 18:22:23 <Cull_Tremayne>	I really think it just needs sourcing. Mar 03 18:22:32 <Cull_Tremayne>	Lists seem appropriate. Mar 03 18:22:43 <Havac>	Not enough substance. Mar 03 18:22:48 <Havac>	Too many lists. Mar 03 18:22:49 <Eyrezer>	(Re Suttle - needs to be removed unles work is done on it) Mar 03 18:22:55 <Cull_Tremayne>	Finally! Mar 03 18:23:02 <Xwing328>	True Colors needs to be added to the appearances...I dunno where though Mar 03 18:23:19 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright. So, support for removal of FA status for Clone trooper? This is Quentin's work. Mar 03 18:23:24 <Havac>	Remove. Mar 03 18:23:36 <The4dotelipsis>	Cite or die. Mar 03 18:23:42 <Culator|Hereish>	Per 4dot. Mar 03 18:23:43 <Jaina>	Remove Mar 03 18:23:45 <Cull_Tremayne>	Remove. 4 Mar 03 18:23:45 <Havac>	It's just too listy without enough substance. Mar 03 18:23:57 <Cull_Tremayne>	Make that 6 Mar 03 18:23:59 <Cull_Tremayne>	One more. Mar 03 18:24:04 <Eyrezer>	lol Mar 03 18:24:30 <Xwing328>	alright...source or die Mar 03 18:24:30 <LordHydronium>	a lot of sections seem far shorter than they should, particularly the history; I'll go with remove Mar 03 18:24:34 <Eyrezer>	Remove, until the lists are expanded Mar 03 18:24:51 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright, there we are. Next article. Mar 03 18:24:52 <Havac>	That does it. Mar 03 18:24:57 <The4dotelipsis>	Boba Fett. Mar 03 18:25:02 <Cull_Tremayne>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Boba_Fett Mar 03 18:25:06 <The4dotelipsis>	A sectioning nightmare. Mar 03 18:25:12 <Cull_Tremayne>	Pitiful. Mar 03 18:25:21 <Xwing328>	Bah! It's using em dashes in the dates Mar 03 18:25:25 <Havac>	Cite. Mar 03 18:25:29 <Jaina>	Redllinks need to be cleared Mar 03 18:25:29 <Culator|Hereish>	Or die. Mar 03 18:25:34 <Jaina>	redlinks* Mar 03 18:25:36 <The4dotelipsis>	Cite, cleanup. Mar 03 18:25:39 <The4dotelipsis>	REMOVE! Mar 03 18:25:48 <Cull_Tremayne>	It actually needs to be expanded a little, even with the length that it's at. Mar 03 18:25:49 <Havac>	Weak sectioning as well. Mar 03 18:25:55 <Cull_Tremayne>	Terrible sectioning. Mar 03 18:26:06 <LordHydronium>	Needs more of a personality section (like the character needs more personality! HEYOOOO!) Mar 03 18:26:13 <Culator|Hereish>	Pic sourcing. Expand some sections. Mar 03 18:26:15 <The4dotelipsis>	The sectioning needs a kick in the groin. Mar 03 18:26:15 <Xwing328>	I'll do some "minor" cleanup on formatting tonight...but it'll need more Mar 03 18:26:26 <Havac>	Expansion and cleanup in general. Mar 03 18:26:28 <Cull_Tremayne>	All in support of removal? Mar 03 18:26:33 <Havac>	Remove. Mar 03 18:26:34 <Culator|Hereish>	REMOVE Mar 03 18:26:40 <Jaina>	Remove Mar 03 18:26:46 <Xwing328>	remove Mar 03 18:26:54 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. Mar 03 18:27:38 <Havac>	Cull, just fricking vote. Mar 03 18:27:48 <Cull_Tremayne>	Fine. Remove. Mar 03 18:28:07 <Eyrezer>	remove Mar 03 18:28:07 <Havac>	Hydro, Eyrezer? Mar 03 18:28:09 <Cull_Tremayne>	You're slowing us down Eyrezer, quit begging at Jaymach's feet! Mar 03 18:28:15 <Eyrezer>	lol Mar 03 18:28:21 <Xwing328>	dang...gtg sooner than expected Mar 03 18:28:23 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright, that's seven. Mar 03 18:28:25 <Havac>	That does it. Mar 03 18:28:28 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright, next article: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Revan Mar 03 18:28:29 <Cull_Tremayne>	Revan. Mar 03 18:28:37 <The4dotelipsis>	Sectioning = Bad. Mar 03 18:28:40 <The4dotelipsis>	Citations needed. Mar 03 18:28:41 <Eyrezer>	sourcing Mar 03 18:28:42 <Culator|Hereish>	Sourcing. Condense BTS. Image templatization. POV in talent section. Too many flowery adjectives throughout. Mar 03 18:28:43 <Cull_Tremayne>	Crappy BTS. Mar 03 18:28:47 <The4dotelipsis>	More images. Mar 03 18:28:54 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. Mar 03 18:29:00 <Havac>	Cite or die. Mar 03 18:29:01 <Eyrezer>	yeah more images Mar 03 18:29:02 <Jaina>	Remove Mar 03 18:29:06 <Havac>	More images. Mar 03 18:29:07 <Cull_Tremayne>	Need to space the images more. Mar 03 18:29:10 <Xwing328>	source or die also Mar 03 18:29:23 <Havac>	Probably needs to be fact-checked for wankery and other bullshit. Mar 03 18:29:27 <Xwing328>	still an expansion tag on it Mar 03 18:29:27 <Cull_Tremayne>	Talents section could be condensed. Like a whole lot. Mar 03 18:29:42 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright, All in support for Removal? Mar 03 18:29:46 <The4dotelipsis>	Aye. Mar 03 18:29:50 <Xwing328>	Aye Mar 03 18:29:51 <Eyrezer>	yep Mar 03 18:29:59 <Havac>	Remove. Mar 03 18:30:00 <Culator|Hereish>	Strike it down. Mar 03 18:30:07 <LordHydronium>	all right Mar 03 18:30:21 <Xwing328>	uno mas? Mar 03 18:30:22 <Cull_Tremayne>	That's seven with Jaina's earlier vote. Mar 03 18:30:27 <Cull_Tremayne>	So next article. Mar 03 18:30:35 <The4dotelipsis>	Leia! Mar 03 18:30:38 <Xwing328>	ah yes...I'm out. I'll have the log later Mar 03 18:30:39 <The4dotelipsis>	She's a woman! Mar 03 18:30:39 <Cull_Tremayne>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Leia_Organa_Solo Mar 03 18:30:43 <Culator|Hereish>	Has held up fairly well. Mar 03 18:30:43 <Cull_Tremayne>	Leia. Mar 03 18:30:51 ---	Xwing328 sets mode -e Xwing328 Mar 03 18:30:51 ---	You are now known as Xwing328|Away Mar 03 18:30:51 ---	services. sets mode +e Xwing328|Away Mar 03 18:30:52 <Culator|Hereish>	Sourcing in progress. Mar 03 18:30:52 <Jaina>	Needs to be cleaned up a bit Mar 03 18:31:02 <Cull_Tremayne>	Where is Star anyway? Mar 03 18:31:02 <Havac>	Could probably benefit from expansion and cleanup, but not enough to make me want to de-FA it. Mar 03 18:31:03 <Culator|Hereish>	Needs more bikini pics. Mar 03 18:31:05 <The4dotelipsis>	Still sourcing. Mar 03 18:31:15 <The4dotelipsis>	Keep. Mar 03 18:31:21 <Cull_Tremayne>	Basically just sourcing, though some minor clean-up later on. Mar 03 18:31:24 <Culator|Hereish>	Seconded keep. Mar 03 18:31:41 <Cull_Tremayne>	All in support for Removal? Mar 03 18:31:47 <Cull_Tremayne>	Not that it matters. Mar 03 18:31:48 <Havac>	Three votes keep. Mar 03 18:31:52 <Havac>	No need for a vote. Mar 03 18:31:57 <The4dotelipsis>	I say keep. Mar 03 18:31:59 <Cull_Tremayne>	Well I vote removal for what it's worth. Mar 03 18:32:04 <Cull_Tremayne>	Which is nothing. Mar 03 18:32:19 <Cull_Tremayne>	Not sourced. And not in the process of being sourced either. Mar 03 18:32:22 <Havac>	I second the keep; the FA stays. Mar 03 18:32:47 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright, moving on. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dooku Mar 03 18:32:48 <Jaina>	Keep Mar 03 18:32:49 <Cull_Tremayne>	Dooku. Mar 03 18:33:19 <Havac>	Could benefit from expansion and cleanup. Mar 03 18:33:21 <The4dotelipsis>	Is a shitty character. Mar 03 18:33:22 <The4dotelipsis>	Oh, wait. Mar 03 18:33:25 <Havac>	The article itself is tiny. Mar 03 18:33:29 <The4dotelipsis>	Uhm...Cite or die. Mar 03 18:33:34 <Cull_Tremayne>	Could use with an expansion to the intro. Mar 03 18:33:35 <Jaina>	Too many of the same pics Mar 03 18:33:53 <Cull_Tremayne>	Let's stay consistent. We obviously need more than "cite or die" according to the Leia article. Mar 03 18:33:56 <Havac>	I've got more length on Tantor in the main section, honestly. Mar 03 18:33:57 <Culator|Hereish>	The4dotelipsis: The man who FA'd Mount Sorrow shouldn't complain about articles about shitty characters. Mar 03 18:34:00 <Havac>	Leia is cited. Mar 03 18:34:03 <Havac>	Look at it. Mar 03 18:34:14 <The4dotelipsis>	Mt. Sorrow is a sex-machine. Don't diss him. Mar 03 18:34:19 <Jaina>	lol Mar 03 18:34:20 <The4dotelipsis>	Leia is not completely cited. Mar 03 18:34:20 <LordHydronium>	the fighting style section is as long as some of the history sections Mar 03 18:34:32 <Cull_Tremayne>	Yeah, that's what I meant. :-P Mar 03 18:34:34 <Culator|Hereish>	Yeah, that bothers me. Mar 03 18:34:42 <The4dotelipsis>	Urrgh. I hate these kids who wank over non-exsistent saber forms. Mar 03 18:34:48 <LordHydronium>	in fact, half the article is his traits Mar 03 18:34:50 <Cull_Tremayne>	Fighting style basically fanwankery... Mar 03 18:35:21 <The4dotelipsis>	OK, Condense BTS, Cite. Or Daye! Mar 03 18:35:24 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ok, we have our reasons I'm guessing. All in support for removal? Mar 03 18:35:31 <Havac>	Remove. Mar 03 18:35:33 <The4dotelipsis>	Rrrrem0ve. Mar 03 18:35:36 <LordHydronium>	cut off the article's hands and decapitate it Mar 03 18:35:39 <Culator|Hereish>	Kill. Mar 03 18:35:43 <Jaina>	Remove Mar 03 18:36:02 <Cull_Tremayne>	Kill the man, leave the doppleganger. Mar 03 18:36:18 <Havac>	Eyrezer! Mar 03 18:36:31 <Eyrezer>	just catching up Mar 03 18:36:39 <Eyrezer>	keep Mar 03 18:36:43 <Cull_Tremayne>	Damn you. Mar 03 18:36:45 <Cull_Tremayne>	:-P Mar 03 18:36:55 <Havac>	WHAT? Mar 03 18:36:55 <Eyrezer>	lol. no needs sourcing. Remove until sourced Mar 03 18:37:03 <Havac>	There we go. Mar 03 18:37:04 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright, moving on. Mar 03 18:37:15 <The4dotelipsis>	Skip Vader. Mar 03 18:37:19 <Cull_Tremayne>	We'll skip Vader. He doesn't even exist. Mar 03 18:37:26 <Havac>	Darth Vader can't be FA. Mar 03 18:37:30 <Cull_Tremayne>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Star_Wars_Holiday_Special Heh. Mar 03 18:37:32 <Havac>	Period. Mar 03 18:37:34 <The4dotelipsis>	REMOVE! Mar 03 18:37:35 <Cull_Tremayne>	The Star Wars Holiday Special Mar 03 18:37:39 <The4dotelipsis>	REMOVE IT TO HELL! Mar 03 18:37:59 <The4dotelipsis>	I really don't have the time to list what is wrong with this article. Mar 03 18:37:59 <LordHydronium>	no sectioning in the plot summary Mar 03 18:38:01 <Cull_Tremayne>	Keep, how can it be sourced? Mar 03 18:38:07 <Havac>	Cite it. The article itself is a mess too. Mar 03 18:38:14 <Cull_Tremayne>	Oh wait, the Plot Summary... Mar 03 18:38:15 <The4dotelipsis>	Any BTS things must be cited. Mar 03 18:38:18 <The4dotelipsis>	And the plot. Mar 03 18:38:21 <Havac>	All statements about it must be sourced. Mar 03 18:38:29 <The4dotelipsis>	The Plot Summary is a freaking play-by-play Mar 03 18:38:31 <The4dotelipsis>	Destroy! Mar 03 18:38:49 <Cull_Tremayne>	It's comprehensive as hell, but it needs sourcing. Mar 03 18:39:12 <The4dotelipsis>	It needs to be less comprehensive. Mar 03 18:39:15 <The4dotelipsis>	A lot less. Mar 03 18:39:36 <The4dotelipsis>	That is not a summary. It's a fucking commentary. Mar 03 18:39:39 <Cull_Tremayne>	Story section needs...well better sectioning. That's a massive block of text. Mar 03 18:39:51 <LordHydronium>	two sections are nothing but bulletted lists Mar 03 18:40:06 <Eyrezer>	I agree with bulleting and sourcing Mar 03 18:40:11 <Havac>	Vote time: keep or remove? Mar 03 18:40:15 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. Mar 03 18:40:19 <Havac>	Remove Mar 03 18:40:29 <Culator|Hereish>	Remove. It won't see its next Life Day. Mar 03 18:40:35 <LordHydronium>	remove Mar 03 18:40:39 <Cull_Tremayne>	How bad are lists really? There just needs to be more content than an actual list? Mar 03 18:40:43 <Cull_Tremayne>	Oh, and Remove. Mar 03 18:40:46 <Jaina>	Remove Mar 03 18:40:47 <Eyrezer>	rm Mar 03 18:40:56 <Havac>	Done! Mar 03 18:40:59 <The4dotelipsis>	Lists are bad, because they're a cheap substitute for prose. Mar 03 18:41:11 <Cull_Tremayne>	Even for just a list of characters?> Mar 03 18:41:18 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ok, moving on. Mar 03 18:41:27 <Cull_Tremayne>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ewok Mar 03 18:41:29 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ewok Mar 03 18:41:33 <Havac>	Cite or die. Mar 03 18:41:38 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove - No Ewoks comics or cartoon content. Mar 03 18:41:44 <Cull_Tremayne>	Sourcing... Mar 03 18:41:44 <The4dotelipsis>	Or, at least, very, very little. Mar 03 18:42:09 <Culator|Hereish>	Per 4dot. Mar 03 18:42:11 <Eyrezer>	it seems to have too many small sections Mar 03 18:42:13 <Cull_Tremayne>	History could be expanded. Mar 03 18:42:19 <Havac>	Too many sections with too little in them. Mar 03 18:42:24 <Cull_Tremayne>	Well all the sections could be expanded really. Mar 03 18:42:37 <Cull_Tremayne>	All in support of removal? Mar 03 18:42:41 <Havac>	Cite and expand. Mar 03 18:42:44 <Havac>	Remove Mar 03 18:42:45 <LordHydronium>	history is paltry Mar 03 18:42:48 <Eyrezer>	Notable ewoks could be expanded Mar 03 18:42:56 <Cull_Tremayne>	Everything could be expanded. Mar 03 18:43:10 <Cull_Tremayne>	They had their own TV show for God's sake. Mar 03 18:43:13 <The4dotelipsis>	What about Ewok intercourse? I see nothing on that. Mar 03 18:43:19 <Cull_Tremayne>	Remove Mar 03 18:43:34 <The4dotelipsis>	Also, I don't like the Custer Infobox Pic. Mar 03 18:43:49 <Culator|Hereish>	Heh. Mar 03 18:43:55 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright, we have our reasons, Keep or Remove? Mar 03 18:43:56 <Cull_Tremayne>	Remove Mar 03 18:43:57 <Culator|Hereish>	Stomp it with an AT-AT. Mar 03 18:44:05 <Eyrezer>	remove Mar 03 18:44:05 <LordHydronium>	remove Mar 03 18:44:24 <Havac>	Remove Mar 03 18:44:29 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. Mar 03 18:44:54 <Cull_Tremayne>	Jaina! Mar 03 18:45:33 <Cull_Tremayne>	Where is Star anyway? Mar 03 18:46:16 <Cull_Tremayne>	This is no time to go eat Lunch, we only have two left. :-P Mar 03 18:46:21 <Culator|Hereish>	Dammit, someone else say "remove" so we can bash Mandalorian. Mar 03 18:46:28 <Jaina>	Remove Mar 03 18:46:31 <Cull_Tremayne>	Finally! Mar 03 18:46:34 <Jaina>	Sorry I was busy Mar 03 18:46:36 <Cull_Tremayne>	Next article: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mandalorian Mar 03 18:46:40 <Cull_Tremayne>	Mandalorian Mar 03 18:46:40 <Culator|Hereish>	DIE! Mar 03 18:46:41 <LordHydronium>	eliminate from canon Mar 03 18:46:42 <The4dotelipsis>	Remoev. Mar 03 18:46:48 <The4dotelipsis>	'a. Mar 03 18:46:53 <Eyrezer>	reasons? aart from citing Mar 03 18:46:57 <The4dotelipsis>	Pathetic BTS. Mar 03 18:47:08 <LordHydronium>	Culture needs to be sectioned Mar 03 18:47:09 <Havac>	Needs citation and expansion. Mar 03 18:47:11 <Cull_Tremayne>	Yeah, that is sad. Mar 03 18:47:17 <The4dotelipsis>	Can easily have expansion. Mar 03 18:47:18 <Culator|Hereish>	Hurts to say it, but needs expansion in the history section. Mar 03 18:47:27 <The4dotelipsis>	What with the Iron Lady of Del Rey putting them everywhere. Mar 03 18:47:34 <Cull_Tremayne>	The future of the Mandalorians could be expanded a whole hell of a lot. Mar 03 18:47:37 <LordHydronium>	That's the only BTS item? Yikes. Mar 03 18:47:50 <Culator|Hereish>	Also needs more BTS. Mar 03 18:48:00 <Culator|Hereish>	Including a reference to their Klingonness. Mar 03 18:48:08 <Havac>	Pathetic article. Awesome subject. Mar 03 18:48:11 <Cull_Tremayne>	Most of the info seems to be incorporated, but better sectioning, sourcing. Mar 03 18:48:16 <Culator|Hereish>	Pathetic both. Mar 03 18:48:17 <LordHydronium>	I really hate to say this, but Clone Troopers needs more Mar 03 18:48:30 <Havac>	:p Mar 03 18:48:39 <Cull_Tremayne>	Also, is that ambig material in the right area? Mar 03 18:48:46 <Culator|Hereish>	Yes. Mar 03 18:48:56 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ah, so it is. Mar 03 18:49:17 <Havac>	Vore time! Mar 03 18:49:17 <LordHydronium>	you know, I'm not sure what's going on with the sectioning Mar 03 18:49:24 <Havac>	Eh. Vote time! Mar 03 18:49:28 <Cull_Tremayne>	This is going to be a difficult one, since most BTS stuff will probably be edit war. Mar 03 18:49:29 <Havac>	Remove. Mar 03 18:49:30 <The4dotelipsis>	Yeah, the sectioning is stuffed up. Mar 03 18:49:31 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. Mar 03 18:49:38 <LordHydronium>	Remove topic and article Mar 03 18:49:48 <Eyrezer>	could do with a language section too! Mar 03 18:49:54 <Cull_Tremayne>	Eh. Needs expansion. Remove. Mar 03 18:49:59 <Culator|Hereish>	Per 4dot: Remov'a Mar 03 18:50:05 <LordHydronium>	Eye: There is one. In one sentence. Mar 03 18:50:06 <Eyrezer>	Remove Mar 03 18:50:11 <Jaina>	Remove Mar 03 18:50:15 <Havac>	Done. Mar 03 18:50:26 <Culator|Hereish>	Oh, this next one hurts. Mar 03 18:50:27 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright, next: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Kyle_Katarn Mar 03 18:50:29 <Cull_Tremayne>	Kyle Katarn Mar 03 18:50:33 <Cull_Tremayne>	This could be a difficult one. :-P Mar 03 18:50:34 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. Mar 03 18:50:41 <LordHydronium>	SERIOUS sectioning problems Mar 03 18:50:41 <Cull_Tremayne>	Expand intro, fix sectioning. Mar 03 18:50:43 <LordHydronium>	and intro Mar 03 18:50:47 <Havac>	As stated on his Inq page: it's in bad shape. Mar 03 18:50:48 <Culator|Hereish>	Kyle would kill us if he read his article. Fortunately, Kyle chooses not to read. Mar 03 18:50:48 <The4dotelipsis>	Sectioning, citations. Mar 03 18:50:58 <Eyrezer>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Kyle1.jpg Mar 03 18:51:02 <Eyrezer>	Kyle is sad Mar 03 18:51:07 <Cull_Tremayne>	How did that get through with such a short intro? Mar 03 18:51:08 <LordHydronium>	Characteristics is ten kinds of frakked up Mar 03 18:51:11 <Havac>	Poor image placement, not enough sectioning, quotes all over the place, talents & BTS are a mess, and needs expansion and inclusion of more recent canon (in a better-integrated form). Mar 03 18:51:24 <Cull_Tremayne>	Kyle you deserve better. Please forgive us. Mar 03 18:51:43 <LordHydronium>	my name is Kyle, so this chat has become a lot weirder Mar 03 18:51:53 <Culator|Hereish>	Merchandise info needs culling. Mar 03 18:52:04 <Cull_Tremayne>	Katarn you deserve better. Please forgive us. Mar 03 18:52:12 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. Mar 03 18:52:19 <Culator|Hereish>	Game info needs better integration. Mar 03 18:52:19 <Cull_Tremayne>	All in support for Removal? Mar 03 18:52:24 <Culator|Hereish>	Rrrrr.... Mar 03 18:52:27 <Culator|Hereish>	Rrr. Mar 03 18:52:30 <Culator|Hereish>	I can't say it. Mar 03 18:52:32 <LordHydronium>	Kyle Katarn is so awesome he removed his own article. Mar 03 18:52:39 <Culator|Hereish>	REMOVE Mar 03 18:52:41 <Cull_Tremayne>	Remove Mar 03 18:53:07 <Havac>	Remove until it adequately reflects the glory that is Katarn. Mar 03 18:53:13 <Culator|Hereish>	Per Havac. Mar 03 18:53:21 <The4dotelipsis>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Kyle_Katarn_NJO.JPG - Captain Haddock? Mar 03 18:53:21 <Eyrezer>	remove Mar 03 18:53:38 <The4dotelipsis>	Evomer. Mar 03 18:53:42 <Culator|Hereish>	Mark my words, I will see it refeatured. Mar 03 18:53:43 <Jaina>	Remove Mar 03 18:54:01 <Cull_Tremayne>	Katarn demands it! Mar 03 18:54:07 <LordHydronium>	My comment up there was meant as a remove vote, by the way Mar 03 18:54:18 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ok, we're done, but wait for some quick "announcements" if you will. Mar 03 18:54:21 <Havac>	Then that does it. Mar 03 18:54:31 <The4dotelipsis>	Yeah, I've got an announcement. Mar 03 18:54:33 <Havac>	Heck, let's keep going. :p Mar 03 18:54:39 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright, we plan to do this once a week. So...same time next week? Mar 03 18:54:53 <Havac>	I don't know. Mar 03 18:55:15 <Havac>	Five on Saturday night is not going to be the best time to consistently get seven people. Mar 03 18:55:23 <Jaina>	Sounds good to me Mar 03 18:55:24 <Cull_Tremayne>	I agree, but we can move it. Mar 03 18:55:33 <Cull_Tremayne>	What's a better time? Mar 03 18:55:49 <Havac>	I think we're actually going to be better off trying to ram through as much as we can now and then do the rest properly on the Inq pages. Mar 03 18:55:56 <Cull_Tremayne>	Oh, and how many do we want to do each week? 8 or 12? Mar 03 18:56:10 <Culator|Hereish>	37. Mar 03 18:56:22 <Havac>	Do as much as we can while we're all still here. Mar 03 18:56:38 <Havac>	Then move to the Inq format where we're not all required to be together at once. Mar 03 18:56:41 <Cull_Tremayne>	The thing is, I have to leave in like...10 minuts. Mar 03 18:56:54 <Havac>	Exactly. Mar 03 18:57:08 <Havac>	It's impossible to maintain this seven. Mar 03 18:57:19 <Havac>	Just go to the Inq pages. Mar 03 18:57:28 <The4dotelipsis>	I couldn't agree more: I'm tendering my resignation from the Inq. Mar 03 18:57:30 <Cull_Tremayne>	We don't need the exact 7, we just need 7. Mar 03 18:57:31 <Havac>	Motivate people to edit them more. Mar 03 18:57:40 <Culator|Hereish>	4dot: WTF? Mar 03 18:57:51 <Havac>	I know, but we don't have a ton of people to draw from. Mar 03 18:57:55 <Cull_Tremayne>	Dammit, YOU created this 4dot. Mar 03 18:57:57 <The4dotelipsis>	I shit ye not. Mar 03 18:58:17 <Havac>	We had a hell of a time getting seven tonight, and it's only going to be harder. Mar 03 18:58:19 <The4dotelipsis>	Yeah, I created it, but I had credit for it wrested from me. From people who put NO time into the project. Mar 03 18:58:27 <Eyrezer>	yawn Mar 03 18:58:28 <Cull_Tremayne>	We can still make the Inq page (and we should), but I think weekly meetings will probably help. Mar 03 18:58:45 <The4dotelipsis>	The whole idea of this was to be able to pass articles in next to no time. Mar 03 18:58:51 <The4dotelipsis>	Yet Jaina and Luke are still FA noms. Mar 03 18:58:52 <Cull_Tremayne>	Yeah, well I set this up like...2 days in advance. That didn't help. Mar 03 18:59:13 <Cull_Tremayne>	Why are those still on there? It's been ages. Mar 03 18:59:19 <Havac>	KILL THEM! Mar 03 18:59:37 <Havac>	I think the thing is that we all just need to put more time into it. Mar 03 19:00:02 <Cull_Tremayne>	Ok, we need to know, can we do this FA review thing once a week? I think that if we "do" have those meetings, then that will actually garner interest from our lazy members. Mar 03 19:00:13 <Culator|Hereish>	I think we can. Mar 03 19:00:28 <Havac>	I think we can too. Mar 03 19:00:30 <Cull_Tremayne>	I think most are pretty confused on their "role". Mar 03 19:00:34 <Havac>	True. Mar 03 19:00:41 <Culator|Hereish>	We also need to open nominations for 4dot's place if he's resigning. Mar 03 19:00:53 <Cull_Tremayne>	Yeah, you quitter. Mar 03 19:01:03 <Cull_Tremayne>	Just when it gets good, he walks out. Mar 03 19:01:03 <The4dotelipsis>	A shaddap. Mar 03 19:01:26 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright, so same time next week? Or do we want a different time? Mar 03 19:01:46 <Culator|Hereish>	I think this meeting thing will get us in gear. It's what this channel was made for. Mar 03 19:02:05 *	Culator|Hereish is lying. This channel was made so Culator|Hereish could have more power. Mar 03 19:02:20 <Cull_Tremayne>	So...anyone want a different time? Last offer. Mar 03 19:02:39 <Culator|Hereish>	Anytime Sunday. Mar 03 19:02:40 <LordHydronium>	it's still mid-afternoon here, so this time works fine for me Mar 03 19:02:45 <Culator|Hereish>	Or Thursday at 7. Mar 03 19:02:49 <Havac>	He's not resigning. Mar 03 19:02:54 <The4dotelipsis>	Ta-ta, and good luck. Mar 03 19:02:56 <--	The4dotelipsis (n=chatzill@CPE-60-224-140-35.vic.bigpond.net.au) has left #wookieepedia-inquisitorius Mar 03 19:03:00 <Jaina>	Not good for me. Mar 03 19:03:00 <Cull_Tremayne>	Dammit. Mar 03 19:03:07 <Cull_Tremayne>	What's a better time? Mar 03 19:03:26 <Culator|Hereish>	I just said. Mar 03 19:03:30 <Cull_Tremayne>	So far, I see Sunday, but that will push our Aussie's into Monday. Mar 03 19:03:40 <Culator|Hereish>	How many Aussies do we have? Mar 03 19:03:46 <Culator|Hereish>	Since one just quit. Mar 03 19:03:51 <Cull_Tremayne>	2, if we count New Zealand. Mar 03 19:03:53 <Jaina>	I like Sundays better Mar 03 19:04:05 <Havac>	He's not quitting. We just have to persuade him to stop being a bitch. Mar 03 19:04:18 <Eyrezer>	lol Mar 03 19:04:25 <Cull_Tremayne>	He's not seriously still whining about losing adminship? Mar 03 19:04:29 <Eyrezer>	Two Aussies if we count Kiwis! Aye!! Mar 03 19:04:30 <Havac>	I don't care, though Saturdays are probably better. Mar 03 19:04:35 <Culator|Hereish>	I'm not that kind of person. Someone wants to be a dick, ignore him. Mar 03 19:04:43 <Havac>	I think he's just pissed that Ataru has taken over the whole show. Mar 03 19:04:46 <Jaina>	lol Mar 03 19:04:52 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright, we'll have to go with Saturday. Sorry Jaina. Mar 03 19:05:15 <Cull_Tremayne>	We don't want to lose our Aussie mates. Mar 03 19:05:25 <Culator|Hereish>	I have to go. Mar 03 19:05:30 ---	Culator|Hereish is now known as Culator|Food Mar 03 19:05:33 <Cull_Tremayne>	One last question, 8 or 12? Mar 03 19:05:44 <Culator|Food>	As many as possible. Mar 03 19:05:50 *	Culator|Food is now actually gone. Mar 03 19:05:51 <Havac>	As many as we can do before we lose seven members. Mar 03 19:06:01 <Cull_Tremayne>	Let's go with 12. Since it took us an hour to do 13. Mar 03 19:06:09 <LordHydronium>	knock 'em out till we can't knock out no more Mar 03 19:06:38 <Cull_Tremayne>	As many as we can do in an hour how 'bout? Mar 03 19:06:41 <Xwing328|Away>	dang...you guys just finished? Mar 03 19:06:44 ---	Xwing328|Away sets mode -e Xwing328|Away Mar 03 19:06:44 ---	You are now known as Xwing328 Mar 03 19:06:45 ---	services. sets mode +e Xwing328 Mar 03 19:06:49 <Havac>	Not really. Mar 03 19:06:49 <Jaina>	Cull: Alright, Saturday it is Mar 03 19:07:06 <Havac>	We've been talking for fifteen minutes at least. Mar 03 19:07:10 <Xwing328>	mm Mar 03 19:07:14 <Xwing328>	you need the log? Mar 03 19:07:23 <Cull_Tremayne>	Alright, I'll put up 12, and then if we go fast enough, then more. As many as we can in an hour. Mar 03 19:07:34 <Cull_Tremayne>	Yeah, Xwing, can we do the same thing as we do for Mofferences? Mar 03 19:08:01 <LordHydronium>	so will it be at 3 Pacific/6 Eastern again? Mar 03 19:08:04 <Cull_Tremayne>	So far, 1.Same time next week 2.As many as we can in an hour. That should keep us on task.