Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Bogga


 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a good article nomination that was successful. Please do not modify it.

Bogga

 * Nominated by:  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 00:06, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: I wrote this article while listening to Push it to the Limit. I now have that song memorized, and I think my life is better for it.

(3 ACs/3 Users/6 Total)
Support
 * 1) —Tommy 9281  Mechnochair negwt.jpg ( Mechno-chair ) 18:37, February 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 2) Not a merciful vote at all. Skippy Farlstendoiro 10:39, February 8, 2010 (UTC)
 * 3) SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie  the truth  ) 01:29, March 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * 4)  CC7567  (talk) 19:40, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 5) -- 1358  ( Talk ) 17:34, March 20, 2010 (UTC)
 * 6)  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  20:42, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Blacklist:
 * 2) * "he leant a security crew..." What is "leant?"
 * 3) **Flerg. Meant to be "loaned"... I don't know how I messed that up. Addressed.
 * 4) * Your underlinking still knows no bounds.
 * 5) **Addressed.
 * 6) * The first paragraph of Search for the Adegan crystals has too many different ideas jumbled into one paragraph. Please reorganize it so that like items are together and unrelated topics are separated, into different paragraphs if necessary.
 * 7) **Addressed.
 * 8) * The grand sum to which Bogga refers is never stated to be credits in the source you have that statement referenced to, so either remove the link to Galactic Credit Standard or provide a source which explicitly states that credits are the payment Bogga expects to receive.
 * 9) **Addressed.
 * 10) * More later. —Tommy 9281 Mechnochair negwt.jpg ( Mechno-chair ) 05:36, February 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * 11) Farlstendoiro the [Un-]Merciful One
 * 12) * Intro: Add "also known as Bogga the Merciful One", or at least "self-styled the Merciful One", as it is a relevant title (used to negotiate with Finhead).
 * 13) **Addressed.
 * 14) * Intro: If Thon and Bogga had had any relevant encounter before Andur's death, mention it chronologically.
 * 15) **Its not stated if they do.
 * 16) * Bio/Search: Like all Hutts, Bogga was a hermaphrodite, but had a masculine personality. Sounds like all Hutts were hermaphrodite and all Hutts have masculine personality, which is false. Please reword.
 * 17) **Addressed.
 * 18) * Bio/Search: Again, if Bogga knew Thon before Andur's death, it should be specified chronologically, specially if they became sworn enemies.
 * 19) **It isn't stated that they had any contact.
 * 20) * Bio/Dealings: by Captain Gruna, captain of an... Can you reword it so you don't use "captain" twice in a row?
 * 21) **Addressed.
 * 22) * Bio/Dealings: Also, Bogga ordered Gudb to accompany them, giving him Mandalorian chains that could even a Jedi prisoner. I think there's a verb missing somewhere in this sentence.
 * 23) **Yeah. Fixed.
 * 24) * Personality: When agitated, the Hutt had a tendency to start sentences in his native Huttese,[4] and also often referred to himself in the third person.[5] Does he use the third person only when agitated or not? I suggest rewording this sentence.
 * 25) **Addressed.
 * 26) * BtS: Depictions of Bogga seem to be more than inspired in known pictures Jabba from ROTJ. Do we know anything about this? Did any of the artists used Jabba as a model?
 * 27) **That would be speculation, as there isn't any info about a connection.
 * 28) * BtS: Tsk, tsk... Who voiced Bogga in the audio drama? (Tip: Bud Thorpe)
 * 29) **Flerg. Addressed.
 * 30) *The Great Farlstendoiro is pleased with this article •:P Skippy Farlstendoiro 09:56, February 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * 31) Soresu
 * 32) * It is unclear where some of the individuals are at certain times. For example, After threatening to let Ktriss kill and devour Gudb, Bogga gave him another chance and sent him with a team of enforcers to the surface of Ambria to retrieve the crystals. You don't mention that Bogga joined the enforcers planetside on Ambria.
 * 33) **I mentioned that they were at Ambria, but Bogga doesn't go onto the planet's surface, he stays in his sail barge.
 * 34) ***Well it sounds to me like he's with the ground team. Maybe just add, while Bogga remained on his sail barge. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie  the truth  ) 00:37, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 35) ****Addressed.
 * 36) * Realizing that they had no chance of survival if they stayed and fought, Bogga fled the encounter. You make no mention of Gudb, leading to the assumption that he, along with the entire gang except for Bogga were killed. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie  the truth  ) 05:55, February 17, 2010 (UTC)
 * 37) **Addressed.  IFYLOFD  ( Floyd's crib ) 00:33, February 18, 2010 (UTC)
 * 38) Attack of the Clone
 * 39) * Per the precedent, can you use "masculine personality" instead of "orientation" in both the infobox and the body? "Personality" is more specific, as "orientation" implies that it was sexual&mdash;which I doubt is what you're trying to say.
 * 40) **Changed back. Funny; I could've sworn I had "masculine personality" in there when I first wrote the article. Maybe someone changed it and I didn't notice.
 * 41) * "Jedi Knight Andur Sunrider was slain in the ensuing struggle": link? Article? Anything at all for this event? Please do so in the body as well.
 * 42) **Article created and linked.
 * 43) * "defeated the Hutt and his crew in a brief skirmish": same as above.
 * 44) **Created and linked.
 * 45) * "In the meantime, he loaned a security crew to protect an Ithullian ore hauler that was attacked by pirates." Please smooth out the chronology and the wording; it's unclear specifically what was attacked by the pirates.
 * 46) **Smoothed.
 * 47) * Please link the context on Gudb better to him so that there isn't room for confusion.
 * 48) **I'm not following you. What context are you referring to?
 * 49) ***Nevermind; I'm not quite sure where I was looking.  CC7567  (talk) 19:40, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 50) * This is one of the few times that I choose to make a formatting objection, but the incorrect Tales of the Jedi (audio) formatting is becoming a constant problem throughout TOTJ articles. Please fix it and become aware of it so that it doesn't happen again in the future.
 * 51) **Righty-o. Fixed.
 * 52) ***What is the "correct" formatting for audio sources/appearances, and where is it stated in policy? —Tommy 9281 02:24, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 53) ****It's not stated in any policy, but I would think it's much more proper to format it as "Tales of the Jedi audio drama" instead of blatantly leaving the "(audio)" in there, the same way we don't use "Star Wars: The Clone Wars (film)" instead of "Star Wars: The Clone Wars film."  CC7567  (talk) 04:34, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 54) *****In that case, your objection would fall under the   clause. You yourself have supported Featured articles where "(audio)" was used, without objecting to or changing it. Please try to remember to implement the    rule when necessary to avoid the unnecessary hindrance of an article's passing. —Tommy  9281 17:13, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 55) ******I am well aware of, Tommy. The only reason I object to articles under that clause is if I feel that it's necessary to point them out, which in this case, it is. I don't find time that much of a concern if taking a little more of it will stop problems repeating themselves in the future.  CC7567  (talk) 19:40, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 56) *******Then as a reviewer of articles you are being inconsistent (and therefore unfair), and need to implement the clause when appropriate no matter the situation. Either be one way or the other, per the point I made above based on the situation presented here. This is something you've been advised of on more than one occasion. —Tommy 9281 22:06, March 13, 2010 (UTC)
 * 57) * Is there any way to condense the third paragraph of the body? If Bogga wasn't even there, then the inclusion of that much detail is shaky and unnecessary.
 * 58) **I disagree; its really just the bare-bones summary of what happened. Sunrider gets distracted, Gudb kills him, Nomi kills them. I think thats just about the amount of info needed to understand what happened.
 * 59) * "Gudb unleashed his pet gorm worm": "unleashed" isn't being used correctly here. It either needs to read "unleashed on ", or a different word choice needs to be used.
 * 60) **Changed to "released".
 * 61) * "a Tchuukthai whom Andur's ghost had told his wife to meet so that she could begin her Jedi training": why is this relevant to Bogga? In its current placement, it doesn't seem to be.
 * 62) **I only included it as context on who he was and why Nomi was there. Removed.
 * 63) * "While he and his lackeys worked": who's he?
 * 64) **Bogga. Addressed.
 * 65) * Please limit the excessive use of "brought" throughout the second bio section.
 * 66) **Word choice varied.
 * 67) * "the group was interrupted by the arrival of Master Thon&mdash;revealed to be the beast that had attacked Bogga's force on the first mission to Ambria": this is unclear; I'm unsure of what you're trying to say.
 * 68) **Never mind about that. Looking back, I should've moved that info to his first appearance. Moved, and it is hopefully more understandable there.
 * 69) * The tense shifts in the Bts are rather dizzying.
 * 70) **Tense fixed.
 * 71) *Overall, the article seems to have been written more as a summary of the comic instead of a biography on Bogga. Please check your perspective and make sure that the article is better centered on him.  CC7567  (talk) 03:16, March 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * 72) Say what:
 * 73) * Is it really needed to say in the intro he was called "The Merciful One?" I haven't read TOTJ in a while, but IIRC, that was just a nickname, akin to calling a Hutt "your graciousness" or something (you know how Hutts like to be flattered).  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 21:19, March 12, 2010 (UTC)
 * 74) **Tommy asked me to put it in there, since it is a relevant nickname.
 * 75) ***I'd still prefer both that, and preferably "Great Bogga" be removed from the intro. What's the difference between those and "Great and Well-Proportioned Bogga?"  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:25, March 14, 2010 (UTC)
 * 76) ****Fine, removed.

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