Talk:Chosen One/Legends

I espouse the view that either Luke is the chosen one or Anakin is the chosen one by way of siring Luke and destroying the advantage of Sith empire. I actually prefer the belief that it is Luke, for he also traveled through the dark and light side of the force(as did many probably every force sensitive at some time in their career) and a bit more calculatedly than most I might say. Also I believe more importantly, Luke resurrected the Jedi order with a much more balanced teaching of the force. I think Luke also had more command over the polarity in the force and was abled to easily discern the good in Vader even when there seemed to be no redemtion in his demeanor or actions. Besides why else would he be the origional "hero" of the Star Wars series? Still I believe this question is so Pivotal that it should only be settled by the series creator himself George Lucas.

Anakin was the one that was Chosen: like the article states at the end of ROTS Vader and Palpatine are the Sith, Obi and Yoda are the Jedi. 2 Jedi and 2 Sith balance of the Force. Luke disrupted the balance at the end of ROTJ he was the only major Force person left, all the Sith die, 1 Jedi and 0 Sith, if he was the chosen one then where is the balance. plus the whole issue is a mute point, if it states that the "Chosen One will bring balance to the Force, AND DESTROY the Sith" as Obi stated in ROTS how can that be equal? if the Light Side defeats the Dark Side the the Force is "Light/Good" if the Dark Side defeated the Light Side the Force is "Dark/Bad" or am I missing part of the text in one of the EU book? HELP ME PLEASE?
 * Balance does not necessarily mean equal parts good and evil. Take for example the argument that evil does not actually exist&mdash;only the absence and perversion of good. From such a standpoint it could be argued that the dark was imbalance, therefore it's reduction brought balance. – Aidje talk 14:12, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC)

but the dark side,aka the Sith,wasn't reduced it was destroyed even if someone else claims the title Dark Lord of the Sith they aren't because Vader and Palpatine are the only one's, who would have trained any new Sith's?--sithlord123 11:24, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Unless there was a Dark Jedi under Palpatine's/Vader's command that was being guided through the ways of the Sith before they died, and claimed the title "Dark Lord of the Sith" after their deaths. You never know what might happen when someone else writes a book for the timespace after RotJ. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 13:29, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Not to disagree with Nebulax, but I'd just like to say to sithlord123 that my word choice was not meant to imply or exclude any absolutes. Those words were chosen for their vagueness, actually; reduction does not imply a lack of destruction, nor does a bringing of balance imply that total balance was achieved. The words were meant to be somewhat noncommittal because that's not the point of what I was saying and I didn't want to get into a discussion about that. – Aidje talk 21:12, 10 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe Lucas said in an interview that "balance" meant the end of the Sith. Life without any supernatural interference has good and bad people/events in it anyway, that's how the universe is. It seems that the Sith are off-setting this by attempting to manipulate their surroundings to their own needs and thus reshape the universe. Now this brings up the amusing question of whether or not the Jedi essentially do the same thing, even if they use their powers minimally and mostly to help others and keep the peace. VT-16 15:18, 12 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * The "balance" referred to by the prophecy is referring to healing the rift of the Great Schism. It has never been suggested in any canon source that it has anything at all to do with numbers of Sith vs numbers of Jedi. QuentinGeorge 07:09, 13 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Do we have an exact quot of the chosen one prophecy, i know i've heard it somewhere, but i cant remember where. Master Illidan 23:55, 2 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * If one could be found, we could always use it (if it is good enough). Cmdr. J. Nebulax 00:16, 3 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Midi count
Do we have a source for Anakin Skywalker's midichlorian count? It sounds like a Supershadowism to me, but it could also be a detail in the Ep. I novelization. &mdash; Silly Dan 18:36, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * It could be from Supershadow, although I checked, and that fraud has it at 27,700 midichlorians. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:20, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)

I thought OB1 told his master (not going to try to spell it) the number in TPM?
 * I believe he said "off the charts" and "well over X," not "it's X amount." – Aidje talk 14:07, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe that he said it was over 100,000 Master Illidan 23:55, 2 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * No, he said it was over 20,000.
 * It doesn't matter; we don't know the exact number anyway. Admiral J. Nebulax 18:24, 14 Jan 2006 (UTC)

Behind the Scenes
I would understand if there was a lack of clarity surrounding it, but does a fan theory warrant mention, let alone such a big subsection, when it's been repeatedly, officially discredited? It's tantamount to me going to the Death Star page and talking about how some fans prefer to regard what's seen in RotS as the prototype. There might be evidence to support that concept (hell, there's evidence for all kinds of crazy stuff), but it's still officially wrong. CooperTFN 23:21, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * How is the "Behind the Scenes" section wrong, exactly? Admiral J. Nebulax 00:17, 2 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It's not an issue of wrong, it's an issue of not warranting mention. I can see a Behind the Scenes discussion of a popular fan theory that could be right, but if it's canon that Anakin is the Chosen One, talking about the Luke theory is like adding a section to the Bail Organa page saying "It has been argued by some fans that Bail was actually not on Alderaan when it was destroyed, and lived on for many years." CooperTFN 01:33, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, as long as GL said Anakin was the Chosen One, all we need to have there is something like "There is a fan dispute that Luke, Anakin's son, might have also been the Chosen One...". Admiral J. Nebulax 12:44, 3 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * But fans dispute all kinds of things. Should they all get mentions? CooperTFN 00:21, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * No, but this is a, well, "special" one that I believe deserves to be metioned. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:22, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * If you say so. CooperTFN 03:43, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * All I'm saying is that this is different from all of the other fan disputes. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:38, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Whills
Is there an IU source that declares the old Whills entry from the ANH novelization is the Chosen One prophecy of which Qui-Gon Jinn, Yoda, Mace Windu, et al refered to? --SparqMan 03:50, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe so. I just have to find it now. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:57, 12 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Unconfirmed
This just in: the Chosen One is officially...... unknown! Yes, it's true. I have recieved word that Lumiya will be returning for Legacy of the Force! So we'll just have to see who polishes her off. If it's Anakin's ghost, i'm seriously going to kick someone. And the there's Tremayne and Blackhole too! Even if Lumiya goes down either one of them could declare themselves Dark Lord!
 * But they aren't Sith. Only Sith-wannabees. Admiral J. Nebulax 02:33, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Is that so? Then why is Lumiya listed as Sith on this site?
 * I suspect Legacy of the Force will reveal the exact relationship between Lumiya's claims to Sithhood and the prophecy of the Chosen One. jSarek 02:53, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Son of the suns
Neither Anakin nor Luke was actually from Tatooine. Luke is, of course, from Polis Massa and Anakin was born on an unnamed water planet which a certain North Carolinian cabinetmaker would have you belive is called "Thessius". (Don't do SuperShadow, kids. Is no good for you :) )
 * They were both "from" Tatooine from a certain point of view. ;) QuentinGeorge 02:15, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Anyone know any born-Tatooinian Jedi?
 * A'Sharad Hett, i think.
 * Along with any member of the Diath family. QuentinGeorge 02:49, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Quote from George Lucas
From the introductory documentary for A New Hope, Special Edition (on the VHS version):

"The first film starts with the last age of the Republic, which is it's getting tired, it's old, it's getting corrupt.

There's the rise of the Sith, who are becoming a force, and in the backdrop of this we have Anakin Skywalker, a young boy who is destined to be a significant player in bringing balance back to the Force and to the Republic...

''Then in the second film we get into more of that turmoil. It's the beginning of the Clone Wars, it's the beginning of the end of democracy in the Republic, sort of the beginning of the end of the Republic. And it's Anakin Skywalker beginning to deal with some of his more intense emotions of Anger, Hatred, Sense of Loss, Possesiveness, Jealousy, and the other things he has to cope with.''

And then we will get to the 3rd film where he is seduced to the Dark Side..

Which brings us up to the films 4, 5, and 6, in which Anakin's offspring redeem him and allow him to fulfill the prophecy where he brings Balance to the Force by doing away with the Sith and getting rid of evil in the universe..."

More details here, although the rest is personal extrapolation: http://blogs.starwars.com/moosepoodo/17

I have a little problem with the phrase "Despite these claims, George Lucas maintains..." It implies that George acknowledges the opinion but contradicts it. A more objective statement would be simply to say "George Lucas maintains...", because in reality, he has always maintained that stance, and its a few fans that attempt to contradict the meaning of the plot point.

As a side note, however, I'm glad to see the "One could argue that the Force was Balanced in the Prequels" blurb was removed. Objectivity can be easily undermined by the language we choose to use. Removal of that greatly improved the reliability of the information by not presenting opinion as something validated by un-named sources.

Dark Moose out
 * Please put all comments at the bottom of talk pages, okay? I've noticed that you don't a lot. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:07, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

linking in the prophecy
The prophecy isn't directly linked to Anakin Skywalker or The Galactic civil war. It was just believed that those were incarnations of the prophecy but nobody can prove that was the true prophecy being embodied. --UVnet 01:10, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Lucas himself said that Anakin was the Chosen One. Therefore, I reverted it. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 01:50, 16 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Lucas didn't plan out any of the new upcoming novels. Some retcon is going to occur. 134.192.86.90
 * Not really. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:19, 7 April 2006 (UTC)
 * I doubt this could be retconned, but I am excellent in finding loopholes. The prophecy declared that the Chosen one would destroy the Sith in the time of greatest despair. Well, Does the prophecy explicitly say that it is the only prophecy? Or that there could not be more times of great despair? I do say not. So, more questions, but it would help explain Darth Krayt and that guy with the really horrible name. An uber Sith fan
 * The point is, Anakin Skywalker is the Chosen One no matter what. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:55, 10 May 2006 (UTC)