Talk:Sovereign-class dreadnought

"Sovereign-class Star Dreadnought was to be the penultimate Imperial warship class" - wanted to check with whoever wrote that to see how you meant to use penultimate. The word means "second to last" - did you mean in size? Was it to be the second to last class of ship produced? I'm not seeing how it would work in there. Please explain. --SparqMan 00:10, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It wasn't me, but the usage makes sense. The Eclipse was to be the ultimate Imperial warship class, in terms of power, capability, size, and prestige.  The Sovereign was designed to excel in all of those areas, but not to the same degree as the Eclipse; thus, penultimate.  jSarek 00:26, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It makes sense: it's a distinctive usage I've seen one or two "Objectivist" (ie very pro-SWTC) fans use before; I don't mind it. But more to the point... do we accept the fan inference that "Star Dreadnought" applies to these ships? --McEwok 01:11, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Since the firepower exceeds Executor-class Star Dreadnoughts, I´d say 'yes'. VT-16 11:01, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * So? The firepower of an Imperial-class Star Destroyer exceeds that of an MC80 Star Cruiser. The "frigates" built by the USN in the '60s and '70s were larger than contemporary destroyers, and some of them employed the state-based naming-pattern traditionally the preserve of battleships: although reclassified as cruisers in 1975, this only serves to prove that warship designation schemes are not fixed according to any one peramenent system. This means that we must base the designations we accord these ships on specific evidence, not, abstract theories. And there is no canon evidence for the Star Dreadnought classification being applied to Sovereign-class or Eclipse-class ships. The latest reference I know of, dating from April, describes the Eclipse and Sovereign as "Star Destroyers", and as larger than "Super Star Destroyers". This may change, or it may not. In the meantime, is there some formal procedure I should go through to propose changinmg these titles round to avoid these pages being headed by a fanon designation, which is the situation at present? --McEwok 13:31, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * warship designation schemes are not fixed according to any one peramenent system.
 * Exactly, so next time you complain about Super Star Destroyers being called Star Dreadnoughts, I´ll pull that quote on you. Thanks! VT-16 17:46, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I know that "Star Dreadnought" has now been applied canonically to the Ex-class; but we're talking about Sovereign-class ships here, and Eclipse-class ones in the other thread. Where's your canon evidence for applying the "Star Dreadnought" designation to these classes... without depending on a hypothetical, non-canon extrapolation from the fact that it's one of the designations applied to other classes of similar tonnage? --McEwok 19:21, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Seeing as you asked for it over on the Eclipse page...
 * Well, here's something to ponder, McEwok: If an Executor-class Star Dreadnought is, in fact, a dreadnought, wouldn't something larger than it also be considered a Star Dreadnought??? Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:23, 14 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * It's been a while since you asked, but not necessarily, no. We don't know that the terminological scheme under which the term "Star Dreadnought" was applied to Super-class ships was in operation when the Sovereigns were designed and built; we don't know that even if the term was in use, it would be appropriate for these ships simply because they're approximately the same size (no-one's going to call an MC80 a Star Destroyer, are they!!); and we do know that "Star Dreadnought" is not part of the standard Imperial classification, within which the Super-class is explicitly identified as a cruiser/Star Destroyer. For these reasons, I'd urge changing the main page here to Sovereign-class Star Destroyer, and similarly for the Eclipse-class; but I'm well aware that this is more contentious than, say, what I did with Supreme Commander: is there a formal way to discuss it with the webmasters?
 * In additon, can anyone give me a canon-evidence citation that the Sovvys are KDY designs? Thanks!! --86.140.249.134 16:21, 3 Nov 2005 (UTC)

'The Sovereign'

Craft: KDY’s Sovereign-class Super Star Destroyer

Type: Super Star Destroyer

Scale: Capital

Length: 15,000 meters

Skill: Capital ship piloting

Crew: 601,670. gunners: 4,075. skeleton: 86,000/+10

Crew Skill: Astrogation 4D+1, capital ship gunnery 4D+1, capital ship piloting 4D, capital ship shields 4D, sensors 3D+1

Passengers: 130,100 (troops)

Cargo Capacity: 400,000 metric tons

Consumables: 5 years

Cost: Not available for sale

Hyperdrive Multiplier: x3

Hyperdrive Backup: x8

Nav Computer: Yes

Maneuverability: 1D

Space: 3

Hull: 11D

Shields: 8D

Sensors:

Passive: 250/2D

Scan: 350/3D

Search: 500/4D

Focus: 70/5D

Weapons

Axial Superlaser

Fire Arc: Front

Crew: 75

Scale: Death Star

Skill: Capital ship gunnery: superlaser

Fire Control: 5D

Space Range: 5-25/75/150

Damage: Gradational Output can fire once every minute at minimum energy (1D Damage). It can also build a charge of 1D per minute up to 8D. Current reactor can only generate 8D total per day.

500 Heavy Laser Cannons

Fire Arc: 200 front, 150 left, 150 right

Crew: 4

Skill: Capital ship gunnery

Fire Control: 2D

Space Range: 3-15/35/75

Atmosphere Range: 6-15/72/150KM

Damage: 8D

500 Turbolaser Batteries

Fire Arc: 150 front, 125 left, 125 right. 100 back

Crew: 2

Scale: Starfighter

Skill: Starship Gunnery

Fire Control: 4D

Space Range: 3-15/36/75

Atmosphere Range: 600-1.5/7/15KM

Damage: 5D

75 Ion Cannon

Fire Arc: 25 front. 25 left. 25 right

Crew: 6

Skill: Capital ship gunnery

Fire Control: 2D+2

Space Range: l-10/25/7>0

Atmosphere Range: 2-20/50/100KM

Damage: 3D

100 Tractor Beam Emplacements

Fire Arc: 55 front, 20 left, 20 right, 5 back

Crew: 5

Skill: Capital ship gunnery

Fire Control: 4D

Space Range: 1-5/15/30

Atmosphere Range: 2-10/30/60 KM

Damage: 6D

5 Gravity Well Projectors

Fire Arc: 3 front, 1 left, 1 right

Crew: 10

Skill: Capital ship gunnery: gravity well projector

Fire Control: 4D

Space Range: l-/15/30

Damage: Blocks Hyperspace Travel

Hope that can be of use to you. :) --Jaymach Ral'Tir 00:19, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)

"Star Dreadnought" over "Star Destroyer"
From the text: "...one of the largest Imperial warship designs, surpassed only by the Eclipse-class Star Dreadnought and the Executor-class Star Dreadnought". That makes it definitely not a standard Star Destroyer. From the Star Dreadnought page: "...a formal designation for some of the largest and presumably strongest warships in the starfleets of regional and galactic governments". It's a Star Dreadnought. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:09, 7 Jan 2006 (UTC)