Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Serra Keto (second nomination)


 * ''The following discussion is preserved as an archive of a good article nomination that was successful. Please do not modify it.

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Support
 * 1) As nominator.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 22:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) Toprawa and Ralltiir 02:33, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 3) Goodwood  [[Image:Redstarbird.svg|20px]] ( Alliance Intelligence ) 02:15, 26 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 4) Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 19:10, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) AdmiralNick22 14:13, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Oppose
 * 1) Toprawa:
 * 2) * Source infobox completely.
 * 3) **I disagree that it needs to be sourced. One can tell simply by looking at the picture that she's a Human female. There was a phrase popular a while back: insulting the reader's intelligence. We may have a CT thread about this sort of thing. I'll see if I can find it. If not, and you really feel the rest should be sourced, I'll do it.
 * 4) * Alternately align images.
 * 5) **Did that.
 * 6) * Expand the intro. Not a lot of body text, but it's too short nonetheless.
 * 7) **How about it now?
 * 8) * I can't vote for this unless you rewrite the article so as to avoid referring to people by their first names throughout. Please refer to people using full names in their initial mention, and then last names only for all subsequent mentions. Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:14, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 9) **I should know better than that.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 20:41, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Round Two:
 * 1) * I've added a bit to the intro, but I would still like to see an explanation of her as a dual swordsman/woman, whatever. PC be damned.
 * 2) **Good advice.
 * 3) * You just said this in the line before, a bit redundant: "and was known as Drallig's finest pupil."
 * 4) **Fixed.
 * 5) * The use of the here strongly assumes that the reader knows what kind of creatures you're taking about. Don't rely on the pipelink to explain what you mean. "the two Jedi were forced to fight the dangerous creatures who..."
 * 6) **Fixed.
 * 7) * If this is happening on a ship, I'd rather like to see "bulkhead," perhaps, instead of "wall": "They were eventually defeated, but the Jedi were forced to break a wall"
 * 8) **Fixed.
 * 9) * Due to the way these sentences are ordered, this sentence seems like you're just repeating the one prior to it. However, it would sound better if you moved this one before the one previous. "Though she fought valiantly, her efforts proved fruitless as Vader backed her into the corner of the room."
 * 10) **Changed it.
 * 11) * I've reworded this slightly, getting rid of the "it," but please elaborate on how he's blocking and ducking an attack at the same time: "Vader managed to block the attack, and ducked away from the strike,"
 * 12) **Good catch.
 * 13) * Please see below per infobox sourcing. Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:10, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 14) **Though I'm still not sure it's necessary, it's not important. Sourced it.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 00:56, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
 * 15) ***Thank you, good sir. Toprawa and Ralltiir 02:33, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

Comments
 * Sorry the P&T is so short. She appears for five minutes in a video game and in a 20 page comic.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 22:59, 19 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I do understand what you're saying for the introbox sourcing, but I don't believe this is self-sourcing or anything akin to it. If I may play devil's advocate, since this is written in an IU context, someone being a Human should be no different from them being a Wookiee, for example. Assume nothing is obvious. If she was a Wookiee, I suspect you would have sourced it without giving it a second thought. Why it should be sourced: how do I know that she's not a Human replica droid? How do I know she's not a cross-dresser? Toprawa and Ralltiir 21:10, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Any chance of getting a better picture for the infobox? Maybe a zoomed in one of the torso of the current picture? Greyman ( Talk ) 13:52, 28 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Article looks good. My only advice would be to echo Greyman's coment of making the main picture torso up shot, as oppose to the whole body. Either way, I think it deserves GA status. AdmiralNick22 14:13, 8 March 2008 (UTC)