Talk:Revan/ArchiveThe Revanchist

Kreia?
I think they're one and the same, any other thoughts?

Uh, this is not a general discussion board and therefore shouldn't have opinions. This is merely speculation anyway.

Yup I came to the same conclusion (without seeing this earlier) that the hooded Jedi must be Kreia. That would leave Zane to be Revan (i dunno, it seems logical) and Alek = Malak. I think that Kreia sent first 5 Jedi to watch mandalorians when they were captured and taken to Flashpoint. But the truly first Jedi armed action taken during Mandalorian Wars would be freeing captured Jedi's from Flashpoint which "coincidentaly" was Zane's work. I think that Alek could be very impressed by Zane's accomplishment that day, and follow Zane/Revan actions by involving himself in the war. It also seemed that Tokare wanted to wipe Zane's memory from the beginning. One thing: Revan was Kreia's apprentice which doesn't fit currently to Zane, but that is to be verified, cause there is nothing said that Lucius trained Zane the whole time. Kreia could be banished, cause she would teach Zane in some near future (and since he was a fugitive, that could give the Council a solid background for the exile). And that is my speculative 2 cents. :)

Sorry to let you into a little secret, but Revan led the Mandalorian Wars. He was also the most promising Jedi in the Order, Zayne has a negligible connection to the Force and had to be told by Alek that there was even a war going on. See where I'm going with this? Also Revan's name was Revan. Synyster 23:41, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * It has been mentioned by one of the KOTOR comics writers that Revan/Malak weren't their original names. From my own original research, I have come to the conclusion that Revan is this Unknown hooded Jedi and that his apprentice, Alek, is Malak. However, I'm not sure why they haven't given the Unknown hooded Jedi a name. Either way, I am almost one hundred percent sure this is Revan- look at his structure, his gloved hand, etc. And I know this isn't the place for this, but I believe that Lucien is Nihilus, Kryndra is Kreia, and Haazen is Sion (I mean c'mon; they already have a Jedi Covenant, I'm sure it's a setup for their Sith Triumvirate). -- Victor  (Talk)
 * Nothing like that was ever mentioned in the KOTOR comics. - Sikon 15:10, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Uh... You all do know that Revan was only a Padawan when the Mandalorian Wars happened, thus it can't be him. It has to be someone else.
 * Revan was a Knight or Master at that point. - Sikon 19:17, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Both Revan and Malak were Jedi Knights when they entered the war. Also, John Jackson Miller only hinted that Revan and Malak were not there original names, not necessarily a definite. And it doesn't say anywhere that Alek is a Padawan, and the unknown hooded Jedi, if it is Revan, is only his master as a group leader kind of thing. If someone puts a Jedi Knight in charge of a project, and assigns Jedi Masters under the Knight in charge of the project, does that mean the Knight is answerable to the master under him? No. He is only answerable to the Master who put him in charge of the task.--Jedi Kasra 01:40, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * JJM hinted they were not their real names? Where? - Sikon 12:08, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 15:11, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Read the 'Revanchist' forum on darkhorse.com, also, look in Revan's profile.--Jedi Kasra 02:47, 25 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well after talking to John Jackson Miller today at Celebration IV I'm going to have to side with the it is Revan debate. He is a really nice guy (funny too) and there was no line so after he signed some KOTOR comics for me we talked about the comics.  The funny thing was I had just found this article yesterday and we wound up talking about it.  I wasn't even going to ask but my dad said to ask him the questions I had right in front of him so he was like "What questions?"  So we began to talk.  Pretty much I started out by asking him if the rumors were true and was Revan really the one Jedi and I pointed him out in 15.  He laughed and said "Ahh the 'Unknown Hooded Jedi' as wookiepedia calls him?" and he joked about how you have an artice called the unknown jedi guy. Then he was able to distract me and we began talking about this article.  I asked if he was aware of how you guys were all trying to argue Revan wasn't his real name cause of what he said on the dark horse boards. (This next part is what is making me think that Revan is his real name)  He said that he never said it wasn't, just that sometimes people are known by different names and sometimes they aren't.  I think manly they haven't desided yet.  Cause then I asked him well are we going to find out if the UHJ is Revan or anyone at all.  And he said there will be an answer to every question asked coming soon.  So I asked him "So it will be a clear telling not another trying to figure out through hints." And he said things would be clear.  I think manly they aren't sure cause we were talking and he said that while they have a main idea, when they come up with better things they change them.  So I think they don't want to confirm or deny anything just incase they have to change it.
 * A few other things we talked about where the little hidden things I never noticed. When we were talking about changes he assured me that if they ever changed anything they would always come up with some way so that it would all fit (he used the example of Jareel and Camper looking differnt and them having the off-shoot story lately) So if anything ever got changed they make sure nothing contradicts.  We also talked about his article on wikipedia and how his graphics guy had drawn a guy based off him and he didn't know.  So he had said it was Carth just to be told "No that's you."  So he thought it was funny how you guys have that comic picture on his wookipedia article.  Also while talking about the "UHJ" he pointed out that the UHJ is actually in the first one (#0 not 1) and showed me where (in the same panel where Squint and Zayne land at the platform (has the line "I would have liked for you to meet my master") He is talking to Lucien and friends.  Finally we ended up with talking about some of our favorite comics (We both liked #6 and #15's endings) I would of wanted to stay and talk more, but I figured I had harrassed him enough and I had to go do some other things as well.

Well I guess we will be finding out soon who is who.


 * I'm surprised. I thought that you guys already knew that UHJ was in #0.--Jedi Kasra 00:08, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
 * They might have, I never paid that close attention.
 * It's funny that if you dropped "chist leader" from the name, you get Revan. Maybe the guys over at Dark Horse are doing this on purpose. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 16:08, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Now, now admiral, what was that you were saying about not restarting old topics? :P (however it is interesting to note that the word "revanchism" comes from the word "revenge"... a very sithly subject, wouldnt you say?)--Darth Trayus(Trayus Academy) [[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 17:53, 25 August 2007 (UTC)


 * (From Revan's Wookiee) "Revan's name apparently comes from "revanche", meaning "the act of retaliating," or "the intent of regaining lost territory or standing." This word has etymological connections to English revenge."


 * (From Exilos Alaric) "Seriously. Revanche. Revan-che. Revan. Also, Alek, Alak, Malak. I am certain they're the ones. Plus, Malak became Revan's apprentice as a sith, no? Alek may not BE Malak, but Malak wore RED ARMOR, as does Alek (the red-armored sith the jedi foresaw) when leaving Flashpoint. Oh also, look at the way they dress. I mean, look at the revanchist leader's gloves. They're brown Revan gloves."

So, when they are revealed as Revan and malak, which I believe is obvious at this point, who is gonna take the time to rewrite the Revan and malak articles. they are gonna need complete overhauls....as well as the mandelorian wars and the jedi Civil War article....big job. who wants it. Not it. IthinkIwannaLeia 23:28, 19 September 2007 (UTC)

I restored for the last time the BtS section because IMHO it's not fanwank but healthy speculation, not unlike others found throughout Wookieepedia. Since I am not into editwars, I won't restore it if anyone deletes it. It's your call, but don't underestimate the importance of such a section; we don't write for ourselves but for the next reader seeking information. MoffRebus 16:34, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
 * See? I was telling you. I feel justified! ""Healthy speculation" is an oxymoron." eh? Yeah right. MoffRebus 06:19, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

The Obivious
Okay, as with the A'Sharad Hett article that stated in the "Behind the Scenes" area that there was a ton of speculation about him being krayt (which was true), i think it should be said that people think he is probably Revan and give the countless reasons why in the BEHIND THE SCENES section where it will not be represented as a true fact, but opinion. I mean come on people it could be Krynda, but she will probably be kreia/traya, lucien will be either sion or Nihilus (it would work better as sion, unless Haazen's mismatched injuries could be explained, or nihilus)and the REVANchist will probably be revan.--...Darth 'ric (Nov. 25)

Oh, my... The 'Revan'chist... I should have known! So, should the info from this article be added to the Revan's page?Mauser 10:18, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * As soon as someone is up to it, as it was the case with Darth Malak. This article won't see any Revan info until the spoiler period is over, but the Revan article can be updated. - Sikon 16:25, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

Okay, now that we know that Alek is actually Malak (which was kind of obvious to begin with though I thought he would become Sion) and the Revanchist is Revan, we now know Revan and Malak were aliases, what is the Revanchist's real name? User:Atrulean Starkiller December 1 2007.

Revan
Now that the Revanchist has been revealed to be Revan with the release of Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force, shouldn't this article be merged with Revan? For what ever reason, Ryder Windham went to a lot of trouble to say it without actually saying it. If it did turn out not to be what we think, we could look back on the paragraph and say, "oh, we just read it wrong." For this reason I say we just add a section on the end of Alek and Revanchist pages similarly indicating that they were the leaders of a movement that would later have the newly named Darths as leaders. When It finally is revealed by Dark Horse or others (explicity) then we actually do the merger. IthinkIwannaLeia06:17, 14 December 2007
 * On December 27th, they will be merged. One month spoiler period. Stupid and idiotic since we have a spoiler warning on the front page. If someone doesn't want to be spoiled, then they shouldn't be here in the first place. But oh well. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 04:15, 6 December 2007 (UTC)
 * As surprising as this may sound, I actually don't want the Alek and Malak pages merged on the 27th. I do think their needs to be something added about the quote from the EGTF, the writer of EGTF went to a lot of trouble to write it in such a way that he didn't EXPLICITLY say they were one in the same. As I said before, you pass that passage on to anyone with a third grade reading level, and they will assume Malak=Alek and Revanchist=Revan, however, the writer left a little wiggle room.  It was implicit in the paragraph but not Explicitly state it.  The writer may have done this for several reasons: 1. He wanted to play with the fans. 2. He did not get 100% confirmation from Dark Horse at the time of the writing (so they still might opt for a surprise). 3.  He didn't wanna make the official announcement and step on Dark Horses toes.