Talk:Luke Skywalker/Archive4

Combination
To get to the point, several subsections should probably be combined into larger ones, reducing the messy look of the article. Ex. The 'Diciples of Ragnos' section should probably moved into the 'Empire Reborn' section, since it is about a splinter group of that faction. I also think the 'Kueller' section should be combined into something, but I don't know what. Maybe we could rename the 'Black Fleet Crisis' header, since Luke had little to do with that, and change it to something more generic that could include 'Kueller.' Are there any other sections that require this remedy, and do any agree with me? -Solus 16:09, 3 November 2006 (UTC)


 * If you look at the FA nom for Luke, found here, it was requested that more subsections be added, so I added a bunch. Granted, the Disciples of Ragnos might be better in the Empire Reborn section and also we should place the Waru part in there. The New Rebellion is hard to fit into any of the other categories- kind of a weird little non sequitur. If you have a viable way to do so, let me know. I'll rename the Black Fleet Crisis section now. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 22:55, 3 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hm. I see. Well, there was also conflict about the 'Waru' and 'Kueller' parts in the FA discussion, as well. We could probably integrate the 'Kueller' part in with the 'Black Fleet Crisis' by renaming the 'Black Fleet' part something like 'Guarding the Peace,' 'Guardian of the Republic,' 'Keeping the Peace,' 'Protector of the Republic,' 'Eet Mor Chikin'... something like that. I love making up names. -Solus 00:30, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I've been meaning to give the Waru/Kueller sections a nice copysmacking this weekend. The problem with integrating Kueller and BFC is that Luke did the exact opposite of defending the Peace in BFK- he went off adventuring with Akanah while the New Reps went to heck in Koornacht . . . I assume you haven't read those books. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 00:37, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I have read the BFC books, it's just that I skipped the Luke parts because it seemed like a lot of baloney. I did grammar check that part in the article, though, so I know a little about it. You're right. I just was trying to think of something generic. Maybe something less grandiose like 'Searching for Truth' or something like that. -Solus 13:58, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can do with that and get back to you. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 15:02, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you think I should go ahead and change the BFC section to 'Searching for Truth' and integrate Kueller, or no? -Solus 00:31, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * What do you think about "Finding his role in the Force." That theme seemed to be in both books to me. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 00:46, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * That sounds good to me. Nice name. -Solus 15:55, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Eh, on accident I edited the Black Fleet Crisis name and integrated Kueller as per your suggestion under my Ip number, 67.34.186.30. That' just so you don't think that number's a conceited twerp. Heh. I'm not used to logging in yet. -Solus 00:21, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Problems
Just so we get all of our ducks in a row, how about everyone just go ahead and make a list right here of all of the technical problems with the Luke Skywalker article, we can then address them. Please can each person make one bullet point for each problem, and not several in one bullet point, and not repeat a previously written down problem. Please strike through any point that is addressed. Thank you -Solus 23:35, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * See Featured Article on the Luke Skywalker section. Look under objections and that has most of them. Fix Waru/Empire Reborn. Do something with Kueller. Add info from Marvel Star Wars. Condense Dark Nest segment. That's most of them. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 23:44, 4 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, that works. I don't have any Marvel Star Wars comics or the Dark Nest books, so I can't do anything about that. But I can do something about the Empire Reborn and Kueller. Thank you, Atarumaster88 -Solus 00:27, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You're quite welcome. Thank you for helping on Luke. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 20:32, 5 November 2006 (UTC)
 * A pleasure. -Solus 00:23, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Faces, faces everywhere

 * Is it just me, or does it seem we have too many portrait images of Luke. Can't we get any variety of images? Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 20:30, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, well, in the later section, portraits is all we've got - since the only source is book covers. .  .  .  .  22:41, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, ok then. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 09:02, 8 November 2006 (UTC)

Dark Lord
Seeing as, for a short time at least, he was under Palpatines command (Empire's End), could he be considered a Dark Lord of the Sith? Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 20:30, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Nah, Palpatine kept calling him a Dark Jedi. .  .  .  .  22:39, 7 November 2006 (UTC)

Main image vote
One of the users has brought this to my attention. This vote is to decide which main image shall be used to on Luke Skywalker's infobox.

Image 1

 * 1) Portraits, people, portraits. And the other one's all blurry anyway. So at the risk of sounding negative: No. .  .  .  .  03:13, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Are we going to have a new vote every time someone uploads a new image? I really like the current picture, and the new one doesn't have the same character. Havac 03:20, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) The other one is blurry and makes Luke look kind of dopey. QuentinGeorge 07:50, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Luke looks awkward in the 2nd one. Even though some of his head is cut off, I like this one better. -Solus 15:05, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) The other pic is blurry. And it doesn't look very good. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 19:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 6)  - breathesgelatin Talk 23:07, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Image 2

 * 1) Yeah but this one matches the Han and Leia articals and looks better in the infobox Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 03:16, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Comments
—HK-47 Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 03:25, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I must sound like a bloody broken record: Portaits go in infoboxes: more encyclopedic. .  .  .  .  03:14, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * We don't need matching infobox images. It'll never happen. .  .  .  .  03:17, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah but still it looks a bit better in the infobox anbd show s more of the torso Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 03:19, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Port. Raits. .  .  .  .  03:22, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Statement: Oh, do shut up, you beeping little trash compactor."
 * Fourdot, your tendency to repeat your same points more vehemently is not going to win any arguments or endear you to anyone. And telling people to shut up is not the most civil thing you could do Tnu. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 04:00, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I only persist with the same point because people tend to forget. And I'm not here to endear myself to anyone. At all. .  .  .  .  07:32, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * What is this, anyway? James Bond? The "holding up gun" thing is so...un Star Warsey. Except for Han. .  .  .  .  07:55, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh and you have no problme wiht it on Leia's artical? or Han's artical? it's not a protrait either none of them are and yet you only have a problme with this one. the current one is WAY too close tot he face and dosn't look good in the infobox. betwene us i would have been fine with the old Image Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 17:33, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Why don't you just let the vote handle it? Jeez. I keep reading the same arguments over and over again, except the people involved just state them in more argumentative terms. And Tnu, there was a vote earlier that decided the new image. It's called democracy, so let it work please. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 19:30, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, at least arguing gets us somewhere. Look at Anakin Skywalker. .  .  .  .  22:32, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Anakin I've-been-on-IDrive-nom-for-four-weeks-now Skywalker? And I agree that discussion is good, but there comes a point where a dead horse is being beaten by saying the same karking thing. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 00:13, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I was refering to the Anakin/Vader merge. .  .  .  .  00:41, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree- those results were quite impressive. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 01:46, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Come on! can't we atleast revert back to the old Promo? this one is just awkwerd. dosn't look right in the infobox. there's gotta be a better one Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 02:23, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * No. See the discussion on the FA nom for Luke and the Senate hall topic on it. The current image was approved by large consensus. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 05:00, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * This arguement is purely subjective. I don't even know why we're having it. .  .  .  .  05:02, 10 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It was already voted on, so I'm not trying to get another vote started. But Image 2 might have had a better shot at getting chosen if the image quality hadn't sucked, and had it been the better quality version I just uploaded to replace it. ;) - Jedi Master Aar'be Simara 06:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * ...no. It's just a bad pose. .  .  .  .  06:49, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Yup, Quotes again
This is a very good article, and I believe it should be featured sometime soon. However, as with the Palpatine article, we need a good main quote. The "I am a Jedi" one is good, but not as good as "That boy is our last hope" in my opinion. I will change it back, and if somebody objects they can talk about it here or my talk page.--Vladius Magnum(Clan Magnum)
 * Last hope is better. But I'm sure there are better again. .  .  .  .  00:54, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree. I reverted it earlier because I do not feel the *current* quote is as expressive of Luke's character as the "I am a Jedi, like my father before me" quote. However, since this something of a democracy, I suppose it can be placed to a vote.

I am a Jedi like my father before me

 * 1) Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 00:57, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 20:52, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 20:56, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Sums up character best, is taken from a crucial moment in his life, and ties in his role with that of the Chosen One. jSarek 20:57, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) lalala_la
 * 6)  Yoshi  626  17:53, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

That boy is our last hope

 * 1) Imp 01:00, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) -Solus 01:09, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

But I was going to go into Tosche Station to pick up some power converters!

 * 1) ... What? --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 01:03, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) I-I'm to late!!!!!Lowbacca5 04:11, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

The Force is strong with this one

 * 1) .  .  .  .  01:06, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * It's been a week and I see consensus, so I'm placing the proper quote on the article. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 15:44, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

What's wrong with the Image i had?
It's a good Head-Torso Image not too close to the face and not too far away. It's better the n the old one and WAY better then this one and don't give me t hat "Portrait" stuff either Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 23:47, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Check the topic above. More people voted for the RotJ image - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 23:48, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * If you look a little further up this page you'll see a vote that decided the current close-up image be used. --Imp 23:49, 17 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I demand a revote! Justice must be brought to this artical! Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 00:04, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Feel free to start a revote, then. --Imp 00:06, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * [vader sessions]...god.[/vader sessions] .  .  .  .  00:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The only problme is i don't know how to do that vote thingy Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 00:14, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Please, spare us your sentimental and pointless re-vote. The result will be the same. Your image was blurry, mis-represented the character, and featured a wacky look on his face. The current one is fine, as the community have voted. .  .  .  .  00:19, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * They're both rubbish. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 00:20, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, back in 77-83, they didn't have the promotional shot orgy that they seem to have nowdays. .  .  .  .  00:22, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Civility and assuming of good faith please. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 00:25, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Image Preposals
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Luke_skywalker.jpg

Not too close. not too far away Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 18:58, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

I'm putting this into a vote format for you and fixing your link. Atarumaster88  ( Audience Chamber ) 21:11, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Proposed Image


Support Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 21:06, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Current Image
Support
 * 1)  Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 20:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) We've had this vote repeatedly. I haven't seen a better quality image than the current one. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 20:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Woah. Deja vu. -Solus 23:35, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) .  .  .  .  02:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) QuentinGeorge 08:04, 19 November 2006 (UTC) - No more image infobox votes, thank you.
 * 6)  Yoshi  626  17:44, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Comments —Palpatine Pure and simple i will not end my quest untill Justice is brought to this Artical Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 21:18, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * This is now the umpteenth time we've seen this vote. If the current image stays, we seriously need to stop with this nonsense. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 20:50, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ugh. That proposed image is horrendous. Bad expression. Bad pose. Bad quality. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 20:52, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * and the current one is awkwerd too close to the face and looks bad i n the infobox allmost all face close-ups do Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 21:07, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * We can disagree all we want, but please do it with civility and without insults or shouting. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 21:11, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * "There is no civility, only politics."


 * First, please work on your spelling/grammar- it's a little hard to read. Second of all, you're not Palpatine. Third of all, we decide things by consensus here. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 21:44, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * And the current image isn't my favorite of all the proposed ones either, but it looks better than the goofy grin. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 21:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * What about the othe rpromos? you know there's gotta be somethng Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 22:01, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * The one that’s on at the moment (close up black costume) is great, it shows the powerful Luke not just ‘That farm boy’   Joker1138 ( Mandalore ) [[Image:MandalorianSymbol.jpg|25px]]
 * I like the pose and coverage of Luke_standup.jpg (see above), but the quality isn't as high as the current one, sadly. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 22:48, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * God. The current image is perfect. All of this is borne of one user's subjective whining. It's a bloody pain in the neck. .  .  .  .  02:44, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * the pain in the neck is haveing to deal with that sorry excuse for an Image in the infobox. same with Boba. Portrates suck. if perfect is too close to the face and awkwerd looking in the infobox then you are right fourdot Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 03:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Portrates suck. Subjective. Head shots are far more commonly used in encyclopedias. .  .  .  .  03:46, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Your spelling and grammar suck also. So I suggest you get that checked out before you start ranting and raving about something else since you look like an immature child who has no grasp on maturity and how to properly present themselves especially when attempting to change something. (Had to be said)-- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 05:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I imagine that some of you aren't particularly surprised by now when I flag this with an argument template and ask everyone to be civil when they disagree with their fellow Wookieepedians. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 05:34, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Good call, Atarumaster. Let's keep it civil. – Aidje talk 05:58, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you Aidje. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 06:00, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah...it's gotta be bad for a discussion when I'm not the most volatile person in it. .  .  .  .  06:47, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Locked
May I ask why this page has been locked? -- SFH 20:47, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Image changes I guess. Probably from Marty Feldman. .  .  .  .  21:00, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Once it gets unlocked, or if an admin feels like fixing it, Category:Galactic Alliance characters and Category:New Republic characters need to be changed to Category:Galactic Alliance individuals and Category:New Republic individuals for Luke's page. —Xwing328 (Talk) 22:50, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Done.– 22:57, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, since it's locked, could someone with access fix the "posses" typo? It's bugging me. Enochf 22:43, 30 November 2006 (UTC)