Talk:Second Battle of Coruscant (Clone Wars)

We're Doomed!
As perhaps the major battle in Revenge of the Sith, this page desperately needs to be filled in. Events from the last few episodes of Clone Wars need to be included in the description of the battle as a whole, as well as any other sources that deal with the outcome of the battle following Obi-Wan's, Anakin's, Palpatine's and Artoo's crash landing and General Grievous' escape. As such I suggest a person with greater knowledge of EU should flesh this page out a bit more. --SeanR 11:44, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Casualties
I've gone slightly away from convention when listing casualties and only mentioned important figures who perished in the battle. It seems silly to me to list "some Clone Troopers" and "some Battle Droids"; of course they died, it's a battle! I suggest only named characters that perish in the battles should be listed under the casualties section. --SeanR 11:44, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * That might be better to bring up under the Community portal. --SparqMan 14:29, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

Second Battle?
As far as I am aware, there was only one Battle of Coruscant during the Clone Wars. There is only the one listed in the big list of the Clone Wars page. If indeed there is only one battle then I move to have the First Battle of Coruscant removed and have this page renamed to "Battle of Coruscant (Clone Wars)". --SeanR 11:46, 30 May 2005 (UTC)
 * That Clone Wars page is very incomplete. Check the List of battles page. -- Riffsyphon1024 00:35, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I don't know what the second battle could be. Perhaps the first was Grievous' ground strike to claim Palpatine, and the second was the space battle? Grasping at straws. --SparqMan 00:36, 31 May 2005 (UTC)
 * The first battle was in the obscure video game New Droid Army. I'm not sure about the details of it though; apparently it was a pretty limited ground invasion. Gladius 00:56, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Republic General?

 * Who put Lorth Needa as a commander in the battle of coruscant?As I remember,The republic only had clone and Jedi commanders.Are you saying needa was a Jedi?Purplesaber 42
 * The Republic Navy (and later Imperial Navy) has human, non-clone officers. Clones and Jedi are both soldiers in the Army of the Republic. QuentinGeorge 07:59, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Lorth Needa wasn't a commander in the battle. He was just a Lt. QX100

Shaak Ti's death and Fuel
Should I put the Greivous stabbing Shaak in back scene up and the Fuel tank scene up even thoe they are cut from the film--wattamb2000
 * What proof is there that Greivous stabbed Shaak Ti. From what I've seen, its Anakin that does the killing. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:31, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, actually, Shaak Ti was to be brought aboard the Invisible Hand with Palpatine, and she was to get stabbed in the back. However, this plot was scrapped and Shaak Ti's death was moved into the Jedi Temple. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:23, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * But that was deleated too--wattamb2000
 * No it wasn't. They scrapped the idea of Greivous stabbing Shaak Ti and moved her death to inside the Jedi Temple, where it remained. That's why in the Clone Wars mirco-series, Shaak Ti is still on Coruscant after Greivous leaves with Palpatine. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 14:00, 25 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Look at the wikipedia article on Shaak Ti--wattamb2000
 * Well, I fixed that mistake. The Episode III Visual Dictionary is in fact more realiable than any other source. So wattamb, you don't have a case. Plus, how do we know that you didn't write that yourself? Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:00, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Labyrinth of Evil
Uh... I was just wondering why only Clone Wars stuff is on this page and not one mention of anything from Labyrinth of Evil. -24.247.124.158
 * Well if it is missing and you can fill the article in, go ahead. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:32, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * But I have no idea how Labyrinth of Evil is going to fit in with Clone Wars, since the two tell the same thing only in completly different ways. --24.247.124.158
 * Well Id say totally ignore the cartoon, but Im biased like that. Durnar 13:31, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * That would mean basically rewriting the entire article. --24.247.124.158
 * It wouldn't mean rewriting the entire article, just a part (or two) of it to make it flow more smoothly between the Clone Wars cartoon and Labyrinth of Evil. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 16:49, 24 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Does anyone know a good place that has a summary of the battle with a mix of clone wars and LOE? -24.247.124.158
 * Check star wars timeline.com --wattamb2000
 * Thanks! I'll get started on that now! --24.247.124.158
 * One thing, it's kind of hard to fit the info into the exsisting text. Should I just completely rewrite it? --24.247.124.158

Every Star Wars Movie has a major battle in it. Even those there's more than one major battle in Revenge of the Sith, the Battle of Coruscant is the main battle in the movie.

You can rewrite it if you want to--wattamb2000
 * I've had a go at fitting both sources in, basically trying to work with the events shared by both sources, rather than try and piece every detail together. The stories will never completely fit, so I think a rough outline of the events will suffice - Kwenn

Lock
Please lock this page, as Xilentshadow900 is not giving up with his constant edit of "better known as" instead of the correct "sometimes referred to as". Moderators, I revert this constantly, as well do others, to the correct way, and yet he still makes it the other way. So, once again, please lock this page. It has already been stated that there was a "First Battle of Coruscant (Clone Wars)", depsite Xilentshadow's refusal to believe it. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:37, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Besides the fact that the first "battle" was hardly a battle, it is a fact' that this battle is better known as "the battle of Coruscant." are you going to argue with the facts? And other people means one other person. Xilentshadow900 20:39, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Yet, "sometimes referred to" is better, as it shows that it was the Second Battle of Coruscant, despite being reffer to as the Battle of Coruscant. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:40, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * But the fact is that it IS better known as the battle of coruscant, because people actually refer to is as the second battle of Coruscant. Only a few people, namely us, refer to it as the second. Xilentshadow900 20:42, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * But it WAS called the Second Battle of Coruscant, and was REFERRED to as the Battle of Coruscant. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:44, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * And it IS MORE COMMONLY KNOWN as the battle of Coruscant, instead of just SOMETIMES REFFERED TO as the battle of coruscant, the people who actually refer to it call it "The Battle of Coruscant". Xilentshadow900 20:45, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * You know what, Xilentshadow, I'm sick and tired of you. But since I'm so tired of arguing with you and constantly reverting everything you write, I'm stopping here, despite that fact that it should be "sometimes referred to". Now, go have fun and have a victory dance. But the illogical one here is you. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:53, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Despite the fact that you are clearly wrong, I thank you for stopping. Xilentshadow900 20:57, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm not even going to argue, that's how sick I am of you. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:58, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Speaking as someone who has not been involved in this debate and will now stay far away from it, I think this is long overdue for a lock. What is it, 15 reverts now? In fact, maybe the talk page should be locked for a day or so you can both rest and come back and discuss it more calmly. &mdash; Silly Dan 21:00, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Can't we just simply leave it 'better known as' or remove it? TopAce, 23:16 28 Oct 2005, GMT +1h
 * It's being left as 'better known as', because it is. Xilentshadow900 21:07, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)


 * Maybe there is a better way to solve this. I just looked through the Wiki and found that the First Battle of Coruscant is from "The New Droid Army". From the way it is worded, it doesn't really deserve to be called a "battle" in the truest sense of the word. So maybe that first Battle of Coruscant could be changed to reflect that, while this be changed to made the true Battle of Coruscant. After all, when you think about it, which one seems more like a "battle" situation?TIEPilot051999 21:08, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * The New Essential Chronology expands the NDA reference to make it more of a real battle. It has people in Coruscant "shuddering with fear" and describes it as having a major effect on morale. QuentinGeorge 22:26, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Wow, the argument I've been making the whole time. I guess I have two supporters now. Xilentshadow900 21:10, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I just want to end an argument before somebody does something they'll regret later.TIEPilot051999 21:13, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * It should say "sometimes referred to as" because there was a battle on the planet before 19 BBY. It is completely illogical to say "better known as the Battle of Coruscant" if there was already a battle on Coruscant before that in the Clone Wars. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:12, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * I was weakly supporting Jack on this issue, but after Quentin said that NEC makes the first incursion more of a true battle, I definitely support keeping it at Second Battle, maybe with a mention that it's sometimes called just the 'Battle of Coruscant.' Kuralyov 23:18, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Which would be "sometimes referred to as the Battle of Coruscant". Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:20, 28 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Ah, official sources rule above all. Well, go change it then. Xilentshadow900 00:14, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Never mind, I'll do it. Xilentshadow900 00:16, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh my... |_0xx3|)? Crazy... Well, I was going to fix it...--Xilentshadow900 00:18, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Changed wording to "sometimes referred to as". Cmdr. J. Nebulax 00:40, 29 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Procurators and Mandator IIs?
I wasn't aware that these two classes were present at the battle, which source has this? Or is it a case of 'put everything in anyway' like I've seen elsewhere...? VT-16 10:26, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't they only have short distance hyperdrives and hence can't leave their home systems? QuentinGeorge 12:15, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe so. As for them in the battle, who knows. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:43, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)