Talk:Meetra Surik

Rank before the Wars
I think the initial telling of the Exile needs to be changed saying she was a Padawan who went off to war, attaining Knighthood while at war. She had to of reached Knighthood before she went to war, seeing as Mical was initially lined up to be her apprentice (or student at least), and how it was mentioned more than once (or at least, alluded to it) that she trained students, that is not something typically done by Padawans, it is far more common for Jedi who have attained Knighthood already. Despite, the interaction of Vrook and Vandar with Vrook complaining to Vandar about her when she was a Padawan, that likely did not transpire shortly before she went to war, but more than likely when she was still fairly young. Also, what points to her having reached Knighthood before having gone to war actually is something Bastilla mentioned in the first KotOR to Carth giving her reasoning why she did not go to war was 1) she was only a Padawan and 2) her Battle Meditation had not fully developed and 3) she still believed in the Council, no attempt mentioned of either of them trying to sway her decision, faithful to the Council, maybe, but young and impressionable and "strong in the Force" as Padawan even then, quite likely, yet no mention of attempted recruitment, then. The above mentioned as well as all that was mentioned in KotOR2 leads me to believe that Revan and Malak were specifically targeting Jedi Knights and Masters only, before going to war (also there being no mention of Revan or Malak ever trying to recruit Padawans during the Mandalorian Wars (and why would they during that particular war?), only upon the Jedi Civil War did the Padawans conversion begin, or so it seems). So, it just seems more likely she had received Knighthood before, probably not long before, she went to war. Sumerland124 07:51, 23 March 2008 (UTC)- edited because I seriously confused a few things in my head (had been a long while since I last played the KotOR series)Sumerland124 08:29, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

Firstly new comments go at the bottom of the page, not the top. Secondly you appear to have difficulty telling real life from a computer game. Youre looking way to deeply into this, it's stated many times in the game that the exile was a padawan when she left for war. Also Malak and Revan did try to recruit bastila as seen in the second game, Malak also tried to recruit Zayne when he was just a padawan. In short your entire argument is completelty flawed. - NerfryTalk 09:46, 23 March 2008 (UTC)

"Firstly" I don't think a personal attack was necessary, I don't see how I am having trouble discerning real life from a computer game, I just tried to rationalize something that came to mind, although it is fairly obvious that was an attempt on your part to debase me for no real reason and try to further belittle my opinion, a bit snide and low class of you in every respect. Perhaps you should cool it a bit, hm? And as I mentioned in my post above, it had been some time since I last played the game, however, I don't recall it stating anywhere that Malak and Revan tried to recruit Bastilla in the second game, merely a scene in Ludo Kresh's tome where she appears there in the Exile's "vision", the Exile pointing out (or at least it being an option) that Bastilla sided with the Council back then, and Malak basically replies saying she came to see things their way in time, but never a part where it actually states that they attempted to recruit Bastilla. But, naturally, I could be mistaken there. And I don't recall the game ever stating "many times" she went to war as a Padawan, the only thing to me that ever alluded she was a Padawan when she went to war is she was wearing the "Padawan robes" during the trial in the game, but then again maybe it did mention it in the game I just missed it. However, with Zayne, no, I can't say that Malak tried recruiting him into the Mandalorian Wars, and even when looking it up it's not even mentioned here: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zayne But then again, of course, I could be wrong, I'm always open to that possibility.Sumerland124 12:47, 25 March 2008 (UTC)


 * Calm down guys. Nerfry, ad hominem attacks are entirely unneccessary and counterproductive; and if you care so little about the mythos one wonders why you bothered to reply at all.
 * In any case, I disagree with the argument. My interpretation is that the Jedi Exile was a Padawan close to promotion at the outbreak of the Mandalorian Wars, and that Mical's hope of being trained by her was at the time just wishful thinking. I don't think it is to any degree unusual for a Padawan to teach younglings the basics of the Force; as I guess it's akin to a high school student teaching preschoolers how to write their name. The Jedi Exile could be compared to an Episode I Obi-Wan Kenobi: more than old enough for the rank of Jedi Knight and wise enough to take a Padawan upon her promotion, but interrupted by major galactic events.
 * Furthermore, the Exile was more mature and outgoing than Bastila; and as one of Revan's most vocal supporters would certainly not have been passed over by Revan and Malak. The Revanchists recruited any and all Jedi who would listen, including Padawans (e.g.Zez-Kai Ell's Padawan); though obviously these younger Jedi were more likely to decline (as both Bastila and Zayne did) as many likely felt that they were neither experienced nor independent enough to join the war effort. --Kessel 17:39, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

Ahh, that's true, I hadn't thought of that, and I forgot about Zez-Kai Ell's Padawan as well. Bah, that's what happens when you get out of touch with things. But that clarifies her situation going to war as a Padawan a lot better for me, thanks. ^.^ Initially, it just didn't make much sense to me, but I didn't put as much perspective into it as I originally thought, I had. XD Anyhoo', thanks, Kessel. Sumerland124 00:52, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * No problem. :) I just wish they hadn't had to cut so much of Mical's (and everyone else's...) story. The storyline is confusing enough as it is. ^_^ --Kessel 13:24, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Possible mention?
Could someone tell us about this possible mention in Galactic Republic Defense Ministry Daily Brief KD0092? And if it is highly probable, than should she be included at the Individuals section of the respective daily brief's article? Domlith 09:41, 6 April 2008 (UTC)
 * "Jedi liaison now confirms one of the Knights on regular assignment on Serroco before the devastation has reported back, having escaped on one of the three military vessels that was able to make light speed. Reports indicate others were present, and one or more may have been part of the reported prisoner transfer to the Taris sector." --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 18:35, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Exile vs Traya
Would this picture work for the duel between the Exile and Traya? The Exile is looking down, so you can't see her head as much. Drewton  01:48, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * No, we're not allowed to specify what color robes or lightsaber the exile had. -MPK 17:46, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * In the infobox picture, she has a blue lightsaber, and in 'The Exile submits to the Council's judgment', she has Jedi robes. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 18:23, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * True, but we're not supposed to think about that. -MPK 18:57, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Why not use the Peragus spacesuit? No gender, no lightsaber, no robes. And it's a constant color and carries a natural pose. DAWUSS 00:10, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * And I forgot, no face! DAWUSS 00:11, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The fact that you even mentioned gender throws that idea out and makes your agenda quite clear. Now where is that essay about those who can't accept Exile as female...? -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 00:13, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * IIRC you can't tell what gender the Exile is under that space uniform - It doesn't promote either one. But that's besides the point. I mentioned all that because it's a definitive outfit of the Exile, as all 4 possible outcomes has an Exile in a space suit where no characteristics of the Exile can be seen - including face and gender (unless you download some space suit mod or whatever, but that's another story entirely). But I had no intention of trying to promote one gender over another in this instance. DAWUSS 02:17, 16 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually, you are. By hiding the gender, you make it seem like it's still up in the air and for debate. Guess what. It isn't. The face is hidden in the current one and that is enough.-- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 03:48, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * A spacesuit picture *might* work for the article, but certainly not for the infobox if that's what you mean. Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 22:53, 17 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I suppose you could be right. Everything about that picture is awkward, though. And like I mentioned, that picture also takes assumptions into consideration (lightsaber, robes, yadda yadda yadda). You don't get to choose your spacesuit. On a slight tangent, do we have to have an image for this article? DAWUSS 23:34, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * It's awkward, but it works. It's very likely that the Exile did have Jedi robes at least one point because she was a Jedi.  The lightsaber colour is more of an assumption; if the picture was ever changed I think a silver lightsaber might work better because it's colourless.  And in a spacesuit as an infobox picture...would be laughable.  It would be like using this picture for Zayne Carrick's infobox instead of a picture that merely hides his head.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 23:43, 18 May 2008 (UTC)
 * 1) No lightsaber = one less assumption to be made and 2) The Exile is (as of now) a faceless character, comparing her with Zayne is comparing apples and watermelons. And also, I'm sure that Hrakert Rift survivor dude who gets eaten by the firaxa has that same outfit (recolored) in his infobox. Yeah, sure there are worse images (that are more canonically correct) to choose from, like those BINK movies of the Ebon Hawk that barely reveal two people sitting in the cockpit (K1 was notorious for that, but there are a couple moments of it in K2). Yeah, the current image works, but IMO my suggestion is better (otherwise I wouldn't be bringing it up) DAWUSS 02:27, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * The angle the Exile holds the lightsaber makes it look like she's just covering where her face would be. She's faceless in the current picture; her head is completely gone.  The only appearance there is for the Hrakert Rift survivor is of him in a spacesuit; therefore there isn't any other costume we could use for him.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 02:52, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * (Undent for readability) For the record, the lightsabre colour is the default one if you don't choose a colour. This is covered in the second talk page archive. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 12:20, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Just to throw in my opinion, I think that A). More than one source should be used to confirm the Exiles gender and B). there is nothing wrong with the spacesuit - it leaves it up to whatever a player chooses, which is the entire point of the game. I do not agree that the Exile should be strictly female and visa versa for Revan. It should be ambiguous, because thats how the game is played. However, if we must say Exile is female, then surely a better picture than the god awful and obvious photo edit is in order? If cannon dictates 'she' is light side, then we should have a pic of her in light side robes, not showing her face, light-saber deactivated. kenny 17:43, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * The Exile is female. There doesn't need to be more than one source to confirm something. Maybe it should be ambiguous, but that's not how it is in canon. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 19:42, 31 July 2008 (UTC)
 * When you get caught on Telos you have robes given to you, I don't know if they are always the same. But yeah, thought I should mention that - Kingpin13Cantina Battle Ground 19:56, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

man or woman
im a little confused when you when you see the movie of sion talking about the death of the jedi intro he says the last jedi is a man i think he says and if he choses the way of the dark side.. is the exile a man or woman?
 * A woman, as it says at the top of the page. It was just a trailer.  Drewton  [[Image:SWTFU_WP1_1280x1024.jpg|25px]] 21:21, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, and the trailer was made a long time before the female Exile was made canon. Just ignore it. ;) --Kessel 16:11, 8 May 2008 (UTC)

How exactly can it be canon?86.29.41.154 12:15, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Per The New Essential Guide to Droids. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 12:23, 19 May 2008 (UTC)
 * StarWarsTheOldRepublic.com refers to the Jedi Exile as a women
 * I don't mean to be offensive to the canon storyline, but wouldn't it make a bit more sense if the exile was a male instead?
 * What do you mean? Zakor1138 03:22, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * What I'm trying to say is that the male exile's story could still have Mical involved but absolutely not as a gay option but just to train and remember as an apprentice.
 * Besides, some big fans of star wars who put the exile as being a woman can't make it canonical on their own.
 * But the bottomline line is that the exile should be male. With all respect.
 * Too bad. She is female. Get over it. NaruHina  Talk [[Image:Anakinsolo.png|14px]] 19:28, 2 April 2009 (UTC)
 * And like the message at the top of this page says, " this page is not the place to whine or complain that the Exile should be male". If you want to complain about it, take it somewhere else. Gray Jedi 19:31, 2 April 2009 (UTC)

Jedi Exile Novel
Im sorry that i haven't been able to post anything lately, but my house caught on fire and we lost just about everything, including my computer and the entire novel. Anyways ive started over, and just a reminder, im making the exile a female sith. But the big thing is how contraversial she is. i wont spoil the suprise, however, just in case i get lucky and get it approved. and yes i know the odds of that are slim, but when you want somthing bad enough, then youve got to go for it. i will say this though.... shes still a heroine. To the entire galaxy.
 * That's sad that you lost your house. If you want to talk about a fan-fiction story though you should probably do it on the Star Wars Fanon Wiki, which is still a great place to have your work commented on.  And good luck with it if by approved you mean published.  Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 02:23, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
 * Maybe you could provide a link to the story when you are done? I am interested. And please, sign your posts.--Jedi Kasra 04:37, 26 May 2008 (UTC)
 * My sympathies as well. Keep in mind, however, that Wookieepedia is not a place for fan creations (fanon). If LFL does approve something you write and it becomes canon, then by all means it will be included here for it will be officially published and disseminated. Otherwise, you can feel free to post the information on the Star Wars Fanon Wiki as Drewton suggested. Just giving you a heads up. Also, please try to remember to sign your messages. Thanks!  Master Aban Fiolli  {Alpheridies University ComNet} 04:46, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

im sorry, im not exactly shore how to sigh my posts. if you tell me, i promise this will be the last time i don't.
 * Use four tildes (~). Grand Moff Tranner [[Image:Imperial Department of Military Research.svg|20px]] (Comlink) 22:24, 3 June 2008 (UTC)

ok well, this really isnt the place to discus this. i just opened up an accout. if you wish to critize, or if your interested, talk about it on my user talk page.HK-47 rebuilt 17:15, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

Jedi Guardian
In the game, Kavar tells you no matter what Jedi class you are that he tried to convince you to become a Guardian. TYhsi should be mentioned in the BTS section that she might have been a Sentinel or a Consular during the Mandie Wars.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 15:05, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually. The alternative line for Jedi Guardians is: And you even became a Guardian. I had hoped I could train you to eventually replace me. You had such potential. While the other line is But I considered you a friend. I even tried to convince you to become a Jedi Guardian. We could've used someone like you. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 17:01, 15 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Except I was playing as a Guardian/Weapon Master, and he still said that he tried to convince her to become one.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 18:47, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Sounds like a bug then. We can mention it. I'll do a run through of the scene just to be sure. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 19:00, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Do you have the X-box version of the game? Because I play the Xbox version, (don't have a high-enough grade computer) and that might be why it has the bug. But you're right, it's in the files.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 19:20, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Jedi Exile and the "Lost Jedi"
I personally think that all of them save Visas Marr should be taken off the "Apprentices" section of her infobox, the NEC, the Chronicles, the EGTTF, none of them say anything about them, and Visas is really the only one that we can say for sure apprenticed herself to the Exile.--Jedi Kasra (talk) 18:51, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure about Atton, Bao-Dur, Brianna or Mical but Mira is specifically stated in the Ultimate Visual Guide to have learned to harness the Force. Though I would imagine those guys fall under "Assumption of 100% completion of game." -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 04:01, 22 July 2008 (UTC)

Silly Wizards
Wizards of the Coasts has made life more fun for all of us with their new Miniatures preview for Captain Panaka and Echani Handmaiden: link here. Notice anything? How about:
 * "Their physical appearance is strikingly similar, except for the Last Handmaiden, Brianna, who had a different mother than her sisters. She eventually joined the Jedi Exile in her pursuit of the Sith Lords, which ultimately turned her against her sisters and Jedi Master Atris."

Boo, Wizards! Brianna did NOT join the Exile in HER pursuit of the Sith Lords. Interestingly, this shouldn't cause any greater gender confusion, since Wizards was adept enough to remember the Exile was female. However, it seems they may have never played KOTOR 2. -BaronGrackle 16:04, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
 * Actually...Mr. Chee has said that they might recon it so that she did. Guess that makes Brianna's storyline canon. Though until we get more information, we can't assume that everything that happened in the male Exile storyline occurred in the female one. Time for a nice mod which makes it so you can have both her and Mical...for a truly canonical game. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 16:16, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Why is it Always Lightside With Lucasarts?
I don't really have a problem with exile being female but I think that the story would be much better if it was canon that she/he whatever took the dark path. But I know, I know Lucasarts doesn't want their characters to be more human more realistic so they always choose the path of the light for their characters. All in all if Lucasarts had not rushed it's production KOTOR 2 would have been much better and with less plot holes leaving room for a more flexible and believable story.AdmiralXahn 18:34, 7 August 2008 (UTC)AdmiralXahn
 * This isn't the place to talk about it. Wookieepedia is for discussing changes to the article in question, not the character. For discussion see the Force.net message board. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 18:56, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
 * It's worth noting that Star Wars: TIE Fighter features no light side ending as such. Dangerdan97 19:22, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * This isn't the place to talk about it. Wookieepedia is for discussing changes to the article in question, not the character. For discussion see the Force.net message board. (I stole your comment, Drewton.) // ~mikah~  19:30, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm not discussing a character, I'm answering a question. I also have no interest in the type of discussion that occurs over at theforce.net. Dangerdan97 19:40, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Brianna as an apprentice
officially confirms that Brinna travelled with the Exile and since everything (that fits the LS storyline) in TSL is canon she should officially be considered the Exile's apprentice. Right? Swedish Guy 16:46, 31 August 2008 (UTC) Why should I (just curious). Leland Y Chee at StarWars.com said it was "possible" that Brianna's adventures with her could still be canon and here we have the confirmation. This is ambiguously canon. Brianna and Mical following the Exile can't happen together, does this mean the Disciple didn't follow the Exile? Did Brianna betray Atris for a woman? I don't think so.--Jinger 09:04, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd think so. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 17:39, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * "since everything (that fits the LS storyline) in TSL is canon" Wrong. Only the stuff canonised in later sources is canon. The KoTOR Campaign Guide makes no mention of Brianna being an apprentice. In fact, the only companion it lists as a Jedi is Visas, so they should all be removed. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 15:19, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Doesn't Wookieepedia assume that the full, complete game is canon? All of the KOTOR light side deeds are certainly an assumption. Reven could have been dark side until Lehon. And it does say that Mical was a Jedi. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 15:50, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * If nothing except for the things that has been mentioned in detail by other sources should be considered canon, then half of this article should be deleted.
 * Besides, The Exile is canonically female. If she is played as a female in the game, Brianna stays on Telos. So no.  Ifindyourlackoffaithdisturbing  ( Oya Manda! ) 16:15, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Did you look at the source? It specifically says that Brianna followed the Exile.
 * Is that source even canon? I don't think so. So I changed it back. THE EXILE IS FEMALE. BRIANNA DOESNT FOLLOW HER. GET OVER IT.  Ifindyourlackoffaithdisturbing  ( Oya Manda! ) 16:19, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * The Exile is indeed female, however, Brianna did follow her.
 * No. In the game, which is canon, unlike a Minis preview on Wizards, Brianna doesn't follow a female Exile.  Ifindyourlackoffaithdisturbing  ( Oya Manda! ) 16:23, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Look at Canon policy. "All Topps, Decipher, Inc. and Wizards of the Coast cards and web sites... are canon"
 * Sorry for getting pissed. Best leave the infobox alone, though, put it in the BtS.  Ifindyourlackoffaithdisturbing  ( Oya Manda! ) 16:31, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes. Possible. Therefore, in the infobox, we should leave it as Possibly. Like I said, put it in the BtS.  Ifindyourlackoffaithdisturbing  ( Oya Manda! )
 * Sorry for being unclear. The confirmation that she did follow the Exile and that she indeed was trained by her.
 * Uh, Brianna was confirmed to travel with the Exile in the preview and, correct me if I'm wrong, the campaign guide. Therefore we can also assume that she did all of the things she would have done were the player male. Drewton  [[Image:Era-old.png|20px]] ( Drewton's Holocron ) 16:56, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * It's not ambiguous at all. It's pretty clear cut to me. It's not possible in-game but those can be attributed to game mechanics (game only allows 9 party members). So, yes. Mical did follow the Exile (as says in Attons CG bio) and Brianna did betray Atris for a woman though we don't know in if it was for love or just because she came to believe Atris was simply wrong and the Exile was right. -- Redemption [[Image:Redemptionusersymbol.png|25px]] (Talk) 15:41, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Don't call it game mechanics; game mechanics would be how the Jedi Exile and Brianna trained against each other without getting bruises. The fact that the female Jedi Exile and Brianna trained together at all, is plain retcon. If we're going to invalidate a character's original source, let's call it what it is. :-) -BaronGrackle 13:50, 16 September 2008 (UTC)
 * I know: perhaps Brianna stowed on board the Ebon Hawk but just hid and watched them the whole time. User:1705jallen

Lost Jedi: Trained or not?
Kadoudal 14:23, 3 September 2008 (UTC) Swedish Guy 05:18, 5 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Is their a way we could eventually decide whether the Exile trained Atton, Bao-Dur, Brianna (yeah, read above, she followed the female Exile, it's canon now), Mical and Mira? I need a name's recent edit proves we still need to find a position on this matter. Considering that
 * The game itself does not explicitly prove that she did, whether the Lost get trained or not in-game is totally up to the player;
 * Kreia/Traya, when defeated, tells her they were the Lost Jedi.
 * According to Redemption, Mira's training was made acknowledged in the Ultimate Visual Guide (see Jedi Exile and the "Lost Jedi" paragraph);
 * Mical is said to be in the future Council a few times through the Campaign Guide (when it's said he would judge Atris, for example);
 * The Campaign Guide writes: "the Jedi Exile seeks out Jedi survivors in an effort to reconstitute the Order, collecting informal Jedi pupils of her own, such as Mical and Visas Marr. [...] Afterwards, she ventures into unknown territory searching for Revan, leaving her disciples to resurrect the Jedi". Now wouldn't "such as" suggests that the Exile trained more than those two? And the whole "resurrecting the Jedi" thing with only two disciples? Come on.
 * For those reasons (among others) I believe that we should list all of them as Apprentices. Although I would like to add a reason of my own.
 * "In mission and quest solving, canon is assumed to be the fullest and best outcome possible of each mission/quest available as given in the briefing or scenario... Although the player can avoid some optional quests, Wookieepedia assumes that those heroes managed to complete all the available feats"(-canon). If the Exile would complete all the available quests or feats that would include training Atton, Brianna, Bao-dur etc. etc.

Romances
I was wondering if we should move Romances - with Atton Rand and Mical - out from Bts. Looking at Atton Rand's page, Romance is a separate section and since the Exile is female it makes sense to move these two out and leave the other companions in Alternate storyline Romance in Bts. * Cylka * 14:24, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Agreed. Mauser 14:46, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Gender

 * So we decided that the Exile's a girl, huh? WILDEYE N-25 07:04, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * The NEGD proved it. SoresuMakashi ( Everything I tell you is a lie ) 07:08, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
 * Got it. WILDEYE N-25 07:12, 21 February 2009 (UTC)