Talk:The galaxy/Legends

Radical change
I propose deleting all the planets. Here only the most basic aspects of the galaxy will be described, like 'geographical' description of each portion (eg. Hutt Space, Colonies, Rims etc), and brief history. The planets, systems and sectors will be moved to the respective portion.Moff Rebus 21:43, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC) Galaxy --> Regions --> Sectors --> Systems --> Planets, Moons, Asteroids, etc -- Riffsyphon1024 23:25, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. As I stated earlier, this should not be a dumping ground for planets and other locations, but should be covered in those respective region articles. The general breakdown in Wookieepedia should be as follows:
 * I also agree; with both comments. --Beeurd 00:08, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Concurring the agreement --Imp 00:12, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Category
Should this be in the Star Wars Category, the Star Wars locations category, or both?-LtNOWIS 16:13, 14 Mar 2005 (GMT)
 * It's a generalization article with links to all facets of the galaxy, both location and being wise. I dont think it needs to be a location itself though. -- Riffsyphon1024 17:33, 14 Mar 2005 (GMT)

Title
Should this be simply titled "The Galaxy"? --SparqMan 01:58, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me. -- Falmarin 02:02, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * More pages link to the redirect page galaxy anyway. We should move it to either Galaxy or The Galaxy, I don't care which. -- Silly Dan  02:32, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll accept The Galaxy with "galaxy" redirecting to it. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:54, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * "The Galaxy" has my vote. --Imp 22:53, 10 Jul 2005 (UTC)

A Question
Just how many planets, sectors, whatnot, do we have to put here? I would hope it doesnt become a dumping ground when there's other pages for that. There are the main articles for these lists. -- Riffsyphon1024 17:30, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

"Type 3 civilization"
Is there an in-universe source for this? I've heard this terminology used by futurists and other earthly speculators on the potential for interstellar civilization in this galaxy, but if it's not a classification system used by people in the GFFA, I don't think it belongs in the meat of the article. jSarek 10:17, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC) the scale isn't only based on how they get their energy but how much they can make. also the star forge gets its energy from a star so that automatically puts it at type 2. i also agree with marco polo that the star war's galaxy isn't a type 3 but is close to it. people have said that the scale has a very large gap between type 2 and type 3 because you go from getting all the energy from one star to getting all the energy from hundreds of billions of stars. i'm not an expert on the scale but i would have to say the star war's galaxy would be about 2.1 simply because they don't harvest all the energy from the stars. While most civilizations in the galaxy are type 1 standing alone and considering there are so many planets i think that the scale is flawed and that there should be an intermediate between 2 and 3 probably where a civilization harvests all the energy of all the planets in a galaxy Dumac
 * I believe this is a term from the Wikipedia article. Type 3 refers to the Kardashev scale. -- Riffsyphon1024 23:19, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * It's good trivia for the BtS section. Perhaps something on how the technology SW Galaxy seems to focus on space travel and weapons, instead of information technology and weapons (such as our Earth), should be put there as well. --Imp 23:33, 18 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * That's the scale I was remembering. In that case, the Star Wars Galaxy isn't a Type III civilization, or even a Type II civilization; they don't use all of the energy available to them from even a single star, let alone the whole galaxy. jSarek 00:40, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I looked at that Wikipedia article, and it actually lists Star Wars as Type II. --Beeurd 01:06, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I believe when I copied the tables from that article (since I'm fascinated with it), it had Star Wars-type civilization at the beginning of a Type III, but pointed more to being between 2 and 3. Either way, its still much more advanced than us; Earth stands at 0.7 on the scale. -- Riffsyphon1024 01:43, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I would put it as a 2.9 or 2.95 since they have colonized the majority of the galaxy. Comparison with Earth is unnecessary, given our pitiful location on the scale. --Marco Polo 06:45, 26 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I should revise my statement. Michio Kaku feels that we are at Type 0, that there is no decimal point. --  Riffsyphon  1024 22:13, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Deep Core
Hmm, I like how we have a load of planets listed for the least populous region in the galaxy, and then only one or two for the rest... But that wasn't my query. Where is the source for Empress Teta being in the Deep Core? The Star Wars Insider map shows it in the Core Worlds,m just above Coruscant. --Beeurd 00:57, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I think that map location was an error; I've always heard of it being in the Deep Core. At any rate, here's a source that discusses the planet in detail, and whose title says it all: Byss and the Deep Core - Part 2: Empress Teta jSarek
 * Aha, thanks for that. Learn something new every day. =D --Beeurd 20:53, 19 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Behind the scenes: the Galaxy seen in ESB
Not to mention the spelling errors, this section is very poorly written. Has George Lucas or anyone of any importance ever explained this object? It really looks too much like a galaxy to be retconned as anything else... I'm surprised it wasn't fixed in a Special Edition ;) Azizlight 14:20, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I always figured that, to avoid detection, the Rebel fleet was stationed far out in the Outer Rim and at a high enough degree above the ecliptic (which I think is the right word), so they could, in essence, 'look down' at the galaxy. Kuralyov 15:10, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I wrote it in haste. I don't know much about astronomy, but whatever the explanation, many think that to be in such a position, would be technically implausible: The Rebel fleet had to travel a great amount of light years out of the Galaxy (not just 'far out in the Outer Rim'). I have indeed read some explanations made by 'anyone of any importance' but the problem remains. I was hoping someone of you might have read something more about this subject Moff Rebus 20:10, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * There are no physical barriers around a galaxy. Considering the hyperdrive speeds demonstrated in the films, there's really nothing too implausible about it. It would probably only take a few hours, or at most a few days to travel such a distance. --Vermilion 09:50, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Agreed, not impossible or implausible at all with their technology. -- Riffsyphon1024 10:03, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)


 * Curtis Saxton's Star Wars Technical Commentaries has a whole section on this. -- Riffsyphon1024 21:02, 20 Jul 2005 (UTC)

I have rewritten the 'Behind the scenes' section. Please edit as needed. --Vermilion 09:43, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * It's so odd though, because the 'galaxy' in that scene looks just like the map of the galaxy at the top of the article. -- Riffsyphon1024 09:45, 23 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Yup, I believe they used the same image. And I actually found it on the 'net somewhere but can't remember where exactly. I have th file saved on my HD if anyone eants it. --beeurd 22:38, 24 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Where exactly is Saxton's article found? I can't find a link to it from his main page MoffRebus 12:54, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

looks like a forming solar system to me. as the nebula condenses it begins to spin rapidly and to convserve angular momentum it flattens out. At the center was what looked like a protostar or a star that is just about to start nuclear fusion. This would explain why the object was spinning so rapidly and the bright point in the middle. This would mean that another large star, possibly one without a solar system went supernova and the process to create a solar system started Dumac

After reading Tales Of the Bounty Hunters (Zuckuss' one) it seems the rebel fleet was in hiding just outside the galaxy. would this not explain pic? [use:DarthJawa]

Galaxy
When the Millenium Falcon is moving to "the thing that may be the galaxy" he's somewhere between Bespin and Sullust, in the Outer Rim and far away from the Core. The picture could really show the galaxy, but only the Core (the white ball in the center) with a few other regions around. It could also be, as already written, a nebula, but I don't think so, because the Falcon flies just into it. I hope you can understand me... I'm German, and my English isn't very good. MTFBWY!
 * Guten tag MTFBWY. There is much speculation about what it might be, but I personally feel it is the galaxy and they are out of its plane. Its not impossible to travel outside the galaxy with the technology they have. Plus it looks just like the galaxy in the map at the top. -- Riffsyphon1024 10:43, 28 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * How come no one seems to notice the Falcon doesn't fly into that thing? It turns completely around and heads in the opposite direction of the Rebel fleet. I personally consider this to be something in support of it not being the Galaxy. --Fade 18:41, 4 February 2006 (UTC)

Pointless
On the page: THIS IS A PIECE OF CRAP BROUGHT TO YOU BY MCEWOK. THX, AND HAVE A NICE DAY :D What is the point of this? This could be considered by many to be vandalism. I will remove it. Θ 05:18, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes. Obvious vandalisms don't need to be reported here. Just delete. MoffRebus 12:37, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Did you really even need to post that? Theta, if something is complete crap and you know it, just remove it. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:51, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It's part of a proliferation of anti-McEwok spraypainting by 71.102.154.158. I'm not sure why Θ thought it was by me. That IP isn't even in the same hemisphere as I am. ("It's not my fault!!") --McEwok 01:00, 7 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't worry, McEwok, I knew that you wouldn't do such a thing. Admiral J. Nebulax 01:42, 7 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Not an entirely explored Galaxy?
I mean I was dissappointed when I discovered the Republic only govern one galaxy not the others, I mean the Universe is full of other 100 billions of other galaxies, so why didn`t Republic started an extragalatic-expedition missions in its 25,000 years history? I was even more disappointed when I discovered 1/3(Unknown Region) of the galaxy haven`t been explored yet (before the Galactic Alliance was formed) in the old-Republic`s 25,000 years existence. Do you guys feel the same way? -Darth Tader
 * A galaxy is a big place. Look hopw long its taken us just to get Earth mapped out. --Fade 18:37, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I had the same feeling when I first saw the movies, that the Star Wars saga takes place among 'galaxies'. However all the saga concerns the history of THE Galaxy :) MoffRebus 10:58, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

Didn't they send ships out to seek new forms of life? The galaxy always seems to be in trouble with something so the budget for the operation was cut by 60%. Once there is peace the expiditions would probably start up again Dumac

New Galaxy Pic


Scan from Star Wars Insider, should we replace the old one with this one? -- Chrisyu357 07:52, 4 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems both more clear and also more complete. I'd say replace, but keep the old one in a gallery. MoffRebus 11:02, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * As usual, they left out all KOTOR planets, the NEC map was more accurate I think, but never mind. And why is Nar Shaddaa so far from Nal Hutta if it's supposed to be its moon? - Sikon [ Talk ] 11:08, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Hope somebody can find a scan of the NEC map!!! MoffRebus 12:12, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * How did Honoghr did closer to the Maw than Kessel? At least they marked the Centrality this time... Thanos6 12:16, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
 * There is an NEC map already. It's just got the page line going down the middle, which kinda stinks. See here 18:02, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

Should fan-made maps really be included here? Northerner 16:37, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

Yet another map
From the Dark Horse website:. - Sikon 04:47, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Bloody swine!! With all of these maps showing different things, how are we supposed to know which is the right one? DarthMRN

Again, another map
I reckon we should replace the main map with Modi's map, or one of the one's you find on a image search. what do you say?--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 17:25, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No, since it's not official. The one we have is fine - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 17:32, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

Dimensions
In the opening paragraph, it's stated that: "According to some sources, the Galaxy was 100,000 light years across, or 36,832.4 Parsecs (a parsec is 3.258 light years) across." So, what are those sources? According to Shield of Lies, the Inside the Worlds... etc. the Star Wars galaxy is 120,000 light years across (funny enough, the number of Parsecs is consistent with a 120,000 ly galaxy). Northerner 17:54, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

I'm not sure but my guess would be that it's SuperShadow Fanon. someone might want to take a look Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 01:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Well if the parsecs are the same. them take the number of LY in a parsec, and multiply it by number of parsecs that you keep finding, and whichever number comes out should be the right one, which according yo you is 100,000 LY. -Z.T.

Another Galaxy Map site
Here

Is this Map and Nav Computer any good? I wanted to check with evryone before posting it in Externle Links Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 01:27, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * This map was created for the purposes of the game, it includes lots of fan-invented planets and isn't always accurate when it comes to canonical ones. - Sikon 06:03, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

That explains the extra planets in the Corellian System Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 10:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Nav-computer.com has several maps used here already so yes that site is accurate. -- Riffsyphon1024 21:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I applaud the work and research which has been done with the maps over at Nav-computer.com. However, there are a few things to consider. The TPM novelization specified the location of Naboo and AOTC showed the location of Geonosis (and in extension the location of Tatooine and Naboo which corresponds to the approximate location of Naboo in the TPM novelization). The Nav-computer.com maps doesn't take the highest canon in consideration and has placed all three planets in locations which doesn't reflect the highest canon at all and which doesn't agree with several official maps (such as the maps found in the Inside the Worlds of... books and the Insider maps). Northerner 14:51, 14 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Speeking of which does anyone have any ide3a when the site will be finished with construction Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 21:53, 11 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Has nav-computer.com gone down recently?--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 19:09, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

How did the Old Republic manage to explore the galaxy only in one direction?
The capital is near the center of the core. Granted, explorers can't readily go through it, but they could go around it -- and clearly did to reach places like Fondor. Clusters might cause problems due to the problems of using Hyperspace in their vicinity. However, I would expect those to be evenly distributed across all locations at that distance from the core. Will (talk -- contribs) 20:55, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The Left Turn was only invented in the closing years of the Old Republic ;P -Dangerdan97 05:17, 27 October 2006 (UTC)

That's so funny I forgot to laugh. Sorry. Must be the Vulcan in me. Will (talk -- contribs) 20:19, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Probably hyperspace disturbances. --  Riffsyphon  1024 22:09, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

The galaxy is flat, like the earth. You can move in a 2D-plane only, the same as in space. All starships have a built-in left-hand twist. And one side of the galaxy is defined as "up", the other as "down". Starships are not allowed to fly upside down. Or even tilted! Tilted! Hell are you crazy? That's why it is impossible to land on the south hemisphere of a planet. Now comes the point why the galaxy is explored counter-clockwise: The planets in clockwise direction have a interesting south hemisphere, but uninteresting north-hemisphere, while the others are the other way.--TeakHoken91.7.47.136 19:55, 22 May 2007 (UTC)
 * What are you talking about? First off, the galaxy has 3 dimensions. --  Riffsyphon  1024 05:09, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
 * He was making a joke. jSarek 11:17, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Nav-computer.com
Somethings up with the nav-computer.com link. I keep getting this crap about anti-virus and web searching. Can someone fix this?--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 14:28, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

Anyone?--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 21:38, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, it's a problem on his end, not ours. :-( jSarek 23:27, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Google nav-computer.com and then click on images. Click on any of the maps and see what happens.--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 11:13, 3 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It's even weirder now. The site's gone down. Anyone had a look recently?--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 20:52, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, the site's down. He said he's been trying to fix it, but appearantly so far no good. 20:59, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Tell me when he's fixed it, would you?--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 18:27, 22 February 2007 (UTC)

Essential Chronology Map???
Shouldn't that OLD, OLD, OLD, Chronology map be replaced with the updated version from the NEW Essential Chronology? It just looks so....old!!!

Number of planets?
''There were approximately 400 billion stars and around half of these had planets that could support life. 10% of those developed life, while sentient life developed in 1/1000 of those (about 20 million).''

This is at the top of the article. So, there are 200 billion stars with planets capable of supporting life. That means there is at least 200 billion planets where things can survive. Great. What if there is more than one such planet orbiting any given star. Is there no source which states approximately how many planets there are in the Galaxy? Life-supporting or not isn't an issue. Even if LF keeps introducing new planets until Human civilization ends, they won't be able to come up with enough planets to run out if they make an approximate number of the billion variety. I can't believe there is no source for this. Stars! Who cares about those stars? We need to know how many planets there are. With each star contributing with anything from 0 to Lucas knows how many planets, knowing how many stars the Galaxy encompasses is almost worthless. I can understand a reluctance to limit themselves on number of inhabitable planets, but come on!

I guess what I am getting at here is this: Do the actual sources really neglect to make an approximate number on how many planets there are in the Galaxy?DarthMRN 20:25, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * The reason for this assumption is that the SW Galaxy is similar to our own and these are the parameters involved in determining the number of stars and planets per star in our galaxy. We can't say for sure exactly how many stars and planets there might be, as the Galactic Republic and Empire and following societies had not discovered them all either (see Unknown Regions). Plus there's just more attention drawn to planets and systems that have residents. --  Riffsyphon  1024 22:12, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Curtis Saxton's page lists the major statistics and their sources, and there doesn't seem to be anything on number of planets (incidentally, we should check the figures on this page, since they don't agree with the ones he lists). However, consider that our solar system only has eight planets, so take that as an order of magnitude estimate (that, assume you're not going to have hundreds of planets in one system; most systems described fit this) and at the very most the number of total planets is about ten times the number of systems, and the number of habitable planets on the same order as the number of systems. - Lord Hydronium 11:38, 3 February 2007 (UTC)


 * In particular, Corellia is described as unusual in having five inhabited planets; that seems to be the upper bound for a system, with most described systems having one or two.--Amican 01:56, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think so. See Dilonexa system. --  Riffsyphon  1024 05:42, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Governments
I'm going to add to the list under Government and Politics sometime this week; if there's a reason for the various other small and older governments to be left out, someone please let me know before then.

--Amican 20:22, 11 March 2007 (UTC)

OOU reference
Why is there a reference to the Milky Way in the introduction?--The All-knowing Sith&#39;ari 17:40, 16 March 2007 (UTC)

Modi vs Cartographer
Can someone with a particular interest in the subject of galactic cartography make an educated guess of which of these fan mappers have the most complete and accurate Galaxy map? DarthMRN 13:39, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Complete Map
Is there any actually completed map of The Galaxy? If not, is there ever going to be one?
 * If you meen a map showing all the billions of fictional stars and planets, I highly doubt it: They wouldn't fit on any paper MoffRebus 09:11, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
 * The galaxy will never be complete. --  Riffsyphon  1024 17:20, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

Forget paper. Use an electronic format that can be searched, zoomed, etc. Think of PDF for galatic maps. Will (Talk - contribs) 04:50, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

What about one that shows the Chiss Ascendancy? --School of Thrawn 101 04:52, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * Honestly, how many planets do you think are known within the Ascendancy? --  Riffsyphon  1024 04:55, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm assuming that your answer is "No, there is not a map showing the Chiss Ascendancy." --School of Thrawn 101 05:03, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Perhaps some new ones could be added for "exploration in a future book." Will (Talk - contribs) 05:02, 11 April 2007 (UTC)
 * There may be a Galactic Atlas to be released but as stated earlier, it cannot fit all within its pages. There is no completeness and the Chiss Ascendancy is one region that is largely unknown, and perhaps for good reason. --  Riffsyphon  1024 05:39, 11 April 2007 (UTC)

Galactic population
ON the site theforce.net I had read that the population of the galaxy was ~ 100 quadrillions..in a another source (the bookDark Empire) mentionne the same number.

Corellian System
On the maps, why are the planets of the Corellian System distant from each other? Are these the original positions (before movement with centerpoint station)? Or are the maps not-to-scale-are-you-nuts-man-what-do-you-dream-of-at-night?--TeakHoken91.7.47.136 20:14, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Galaxy filled with air
Is the Star Wars galaxy filled with air? This would solve many of the big mysteries: Maybe it is a very low concentration, not enough for a human, but enough to create these effects.--TeakHoken91.7.47.136 20:14, 22 May 2007 (UTC) You need more than a mere mask to "breath" a vacuum. Besides, inside an asteroid, you would be lucky to find more than .005G. In such gravity, my Mom could throw a baseball outside the body's Hill sphere – and do so with a bad rotator cuff. By the time you get to .001G, you might even be able to JUMP outside that Hill shere. Will (Talk - contribs) 03:53, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sound in Space
 * Explosions in Space
 * Space Slugs and Mynocks
 * Walking around on asteroids (Seen in TESB)
 * Starships have to thrust out permanently. (Due to aerodynamic resistance)
 * Space slugs and mynocks don't breath oxygen and Han, Leia, and Chewie were walking around inside the slug with maskes anyway. --  Riffsyphon  1024 03:16, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * It's possible the environment of the slug's stomach created enough artificial gravity and atmosphere to keep them on the floor and alive. --  Riffsyphon  1024 05:05, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * And why on the floor and not on the ceiling? If you have gravity-producing walls all around you then there is no main direction of gravity. So its Zero-G. But anyway, I see that this is not an argument for an air filled galaxy. But what about sound and explosions in space and starships in need of permanent thrust?--TeakHoken91.7.35.196 22:49, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Sounds in space have been explained by the usage of Aural sensors. DarthMRN 19:34, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I bet you they're going to fill in all the gaps with the Episode V version of the SW.com Visual Guides. --  Riffsyphon  1024 07:46, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Pictures from all era's, and more information
Don't you think that we should post as many pictures possible for the Star Wars Galaxy that holds all this other stuff? And also some more detailed information of the planets, sectors, systems....What do you think? -Z.T.

P.S. I mean like all the planets ever mentioned in a canon sources, all put on one big map. I wasn't referring to the billions of stars and all the planets there, just the known ones...