Talk:Jedi Sentinel

Shaela Nuur
Does anyone know what source states Shaela Nuur as a Jedi Sentinel? I'm not arguing that it isn't out there, I'm just curious as to where it is said. Thanks. -- Master Dakari 06:41, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Obi-Wan
Where is it established that he's a sentinel and watchman? I'm not saying it's wrong, but we need a source for that. --Jedimasterbob 20:36, 5 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Jedi Watchman? Which planet did he oversee? Tatooine? Being defensive is not because he was a Jedi Watchman, but because he mastered Soresu. - TopAce 21:52, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

Anakin Skywalker Sentinel
Shouldnt anakin be a sentinel He is powerful with the force and lightsaber found ballance as well has other skills such as repair and piloting.
 * No. Only if they are identified in a canon source as a sentinel.  Lonnyd 07:59, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I know that since it is now 2008, and the last comment for this section was posted on 24 August 2006, this is a very late message. But: I think that Anakin has been sourced--- I forgot what source though ---as a Jedi Guardian. Cyfiero II 01:03, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

"admirable combat skill"
If a Sentinel's combat skills are admirable, what would you call a Guardian's combat skills? Whoever added this must be a great fan of the Sentinel class and it's POV and factually incorrect. When I played KotOR and had Jolee and Basile with me (when I was a Guardian), it was ALWAYS Bastila who died first. - TopAce 11:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
 * OK, you got a point here but don't exaggerate... It's true that "admirable" is a bit too much for a Sentinel (compared to a Guardian), but in the games the Sentinel is way more formidable than the Consular regarding to hand-to-hand combat. The reason why Bastila always died first is probably because Jolee stayed back and used his force powers (Force Whirlwind and Stun tend to protect from attracting much opposition) and because you as a Guardian lasted longer than her (having better HP and stuff). Besides my player in KOTOR II was a Sentinel and he definitely wasn't the one who died first...

The case for Visas, and conformity
I can understand the rationale for keeping Visas as a possible, or removing her and the other KOTOR2 people altogether, but I do not agree with it. If we are going to call her Sentinel class gameplay mechanics, then we have some problems. The first being that all of these titles, all of these "classes" started as gameplay mechanics and later "evolved" into tangible, in-universe rankings. Look at our current list of Jedi Guardians; it has suddenly exploded with documented examples, and many of these examples cannot be anything other than game mechanics for roleplaying (Yun and Gorc, for instance, could not have possibly held a rank of "Guardian" in the Jedi Order). Another thing to consider is that these characters, even Atton and Mira, are destined to become Jedi. This is in accordance with Kreia's prophecy, which we have no reason to believe is false. They may not have official titles given from established Jedi Masters, but, much like those of the New Jedi Order, they are unquestionably the new Jedi. Visas Marr, particularly, is the only one of these who is already trained (as a Dark Jedi, granted), and she understands both the Force and lightsaber combat regardless of how the Exile interacts with her. It may be game mechanics that she is specifically identified as a Sentinel, but the Sentinel identity itself is first and foremost game mechanics that have been adopted into narrative. If her generation of Jedi uses those three titles (which they apparently do, as the titles exist for later Jedi like Obi-Wan), then it can only be assumed that Visas would assume this one. Even further, the Star Wars Miniatures game Jedi Sentinel is modeled off of Visas. This is why I believe she should definatively be among those listed. -BaronGrackle 02:44, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * If Visas has Sentinel levels in-game, she should be on the list. No question. QuentinGeorge 05:06, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * To repeat, they're not officially members of the Jedi Order. - Sikon 07:35, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * To repeat: That doesn't matter. Neither was Yun. But both received training from a Jedi. QuentinGeorge 07:53, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * An exiled Jedi. - Sikon 08:29, 16 February 2007 (UTC)
 * As stated by Mical and even a few of the Jedi Masters themselves, "exile" was the Jedi Exile's choice. The council could not have forced her to do such a thing. But with the galaxy in such dire need of Jedi, and with there no known Masters - except a few - to train any willing Force-sensitives, the Exile had every right to forsake her sentencing and join the ranks of the Order once again. (Regardless of a few game glitches, even Vrook says at one point, "We may be the last." This statement further identifies her as a member of the Order.) Also, being a fully-trained Jedi Knight she had all the prerequisites needed to take on apprentices and train them in the way of the Jedi. And with no valid Jedi Council to forbid nor deny her decisions and actions, they go unquestioned and justified. In essence, being one of the few legitimate Jedi left in the galaxy, and the only one making any strides to bring the Order from the brink of extinction, her will was law; unopposed, and rightly so. Just as Luke Skywalker built the New Jedi Order, so too did the Jedi Exile reconstruct the old Jedi Order through the teaching of her party members, the true Jedi upon whom the future is to be built. And Visas had formal training under Darth Nihilus. Sith training, but training in the Force and lightsaber combat nonetheless. And after she joined the party of the Jedi Exile, she was redeemed and became one of the Exile's many apprentices. Visas was saved to the point of even aiding in the death of her former dark master. She is, for all intents and purposes, a legitimate Jedi by the time the game comes to a close.--Master Dakari 04:33, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

SAGA Edition
Jedi Sentinels appear as a talent tree under the Jedi base class in SAGA edition of the Star Wars RPG. I tried to edit the article to represent that, but the edit got deleted.

A balance between the 3 main classes?
I always thought the Sentinel, while skilled in both the ways of the Force and lightsaber combat, had no true mastery of either one.--The K.O. King 03:47, 28 October 2007 (UTC)