Talk:Arren Kae

Smells like fanon --Imp 07:42, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Even if it isn't, it should be merged with Kae. QuentinGeorge 07:53, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * It is not certain that they are the same person. --Imp 08:02, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * This is not fanon, this name appears in KOTOR II in conversations with Handmaiden and Disciple. Kae and Arren Kae are indeed the same person, so Kae should redirect here. It is unknown, however, if Kreia is the same person. - Sikon 08:43, 5 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Could a seperate page be created so that people can discuss whether Kreia and Kae are the same person. Hopefully there we could come to a conclusion. Jasca Ducato 08:43, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * This is an encyclopedia, not a forum. Without a direct confirmation, the hypothesis that Kreia is Kae cannot be included into the article as it cannot be considered canon with the information we have. - Sikon 10:16, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Kae=Kreia? some thoughts
I think the only record we have of the reason of Kae's exile and the reason of Kreia's exile is...Kreia; couldn't she be lying about one or the other? And Briana doesn't recognize her, true, but Kreia says she can mak people forget/misperceive her.JustinGann 05:59, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * What about we make an article called, say, Kreia/Kae identity speculation, where we can list all arguments for and against them being the same person? - Sikon [ Talk ] 06:35, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * sound good. !Lieutenant Gerard 18:22, 16 Dec 2005 (UTC)

What do you mean, "Exile had no knowledge of her"? Remember that Exile knows more than the player. Much more. - Sikon [ Talk ] 14:51, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
 * There is nothing that may lead to think that the Exile knew anything about Arren Kae before Brianna mentioned her. When Kreia talks about Kae it is possible to answer "I don't remember her - are you sure?", i think this is reason enough to state that the Exile had no knowledge of her, which is strange indeed, exile is a rare sentence, even more so for a Jedi Master, and surely would have been hard not to notice one of Revan's former masters joining his cause, furthermore the Exile knew General Yusanis as "a hero of the Mandalorian Wars, one of the greatest" and he entered battle to side with Kae as Brianna says.--Jinger 22:42, 12 August 2006 (UTC)

Somethings missing, the article says both are said to be Revan's first master, but they're also said to be the last. That Kae taught Revan first we know from Mical, he also says "It is said that he returned to his first master at the end of his training, in order to learn how he might best leave the order" (after that Kreia mind tricks him to stop him from saying too much. Very suspicious.) The same we hear from Kreia, with enough influence: "But in the end, he turned back to me. When he realized there was nothing more to be learned from the Jedi - except how one could leave them forever." There is also more to the tricks Kreia uses to hide her presence, she doesn't use them only on the Jedi Masters, Mical doesn't even realize she's on the Ebon Hawk until she chooses to reveal herself (just enough to toy with him a while longer), and there may be reason to think she used them on Brianna too. "Jedi are forbidden to have children, and when the crime finally came to light almost a decade later, Kae was exiled."

- Kreia

It's hard to think of how the Jedi would find out about Brianna if Kae wouldn't have spent a single moment with her child in ten years, yet Brianna says she never saw her face, somehow she must have forgotten. Also when Kreia plays hide-and-seek with Mical she clearly says ":: You know who I am. But you will be unable to voice it, to remember it. ::" implying Mical knew her on Dantooine during his time in the jedi enclave and that her true identity is one she is keeping secret (no chance that identity is Darth Traya, there's no way Mical or anyone else other than the sith would know that name, at least there's nothing that would lead to think that.) --Jinger 22:59, 12 August 2006 (UTC)