Talk:Unidentified Mandalore

"Never Say Mando'a Again"
Does anyone else think that this topic needs a little expanding? Especially given the conflicting information we get from K1 and K2.

From what I understand, this Mandalore was not an 'official' Mandalore - given that he did not find the previous Mandalore's helmet and that many mandalorians aren't even aware of his ever existing (Canderous among them):

Mandalorian Mercenary: "Mandalore? But after Malachor V, no new Mandalore was chosen."

Revan obviously considered him potentially dangerous/influential enough to warrant assassination, but I think it's telling that the general consensus amongst K2 mandalorians is that there was no 'new mandalore', until Canderous started running around laying claim to the title. (Edit: I forgot that Revan didn't send HK-47 to assassinate mandalore, but rather another target)

Canderous certainly doesn't seem to consider his direct predeccessor to be, well, his direct predecessor - as far as he's concerned, he's the first since Ultimate.

Thoughts? (A no-prize if you guess why the section title is relevant) (Ulicus 21:52, 1 June 2006 (UTC)) --- Canderous among them? Canderous found the helmet - though he mentioned that there were instances where it hadn't been necessary, so in that sense I suppose you're right. That said, it's strongly implied that during this time period the helmet is pretty vital if you want to lay claim to the title.
 * Personally, I think the opinions of the KOTOR II Mandalorians are suspect, Canderous most of all. Of course they'd think that Canderous was the one true Mandalore since Ultimate - since they've already chosen to swear fealty to him. And Canderous would want himself to seem as legitimate and uncontestible as possible. Besides, the chosing of the helmet means nothing - the only instance we know of that happening is with Ultimate, and we know of several instances where that definitely didn't happen, Canderous among them. Kuralyov 21:56, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I think that what's more likely, is that Mandalore the Unknown was the first guy to try what Canderous did (sans helmet) but like Canderous (at least during K2), he didn't manage to get out to all mandalorians - so by the time he died, not everyone had heard of him. Which leads to the belief amongst some mandalorians that there was no Mandalore after Ultimate until Canderous.

Or maybe Canderous decided to off him and pretend he'd never existed... ;) then he'd *really* be a 'usurper'.

I mean, obviously the real reason for all this is because of a continuity flub, but it doesn't make the stuff in game any less canonical. Ulicus 11:06, 2 June 2006 (UTC)]
 * Canderous couldn't have had the helmet. We know that Ultimate took Indomitable's helmet, and that it looked nothing like what Canderous wears, and it seems to me that if he's not going to wear it than there's no point in having it. It seems more likely that he claimed to have the helmet but maybe had a fake, if that. Kuralyov 02:27, 5 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Urm. Well, Canderous specifically tells us that it's the same helmet worn by Ultimate *and* Indomitable.

"This is the helmet worn by Mandalore in the Mandalorian Wars, and in the Exar Kun war before that"

And Indomitable didn't even *have* a helmet if you go by TotJ appearances, he had a mask. Since we also know for a fact that it was Revan who told Canderous where to find the helmet, we know that what Canderous is wearing *is* the helmet of Mandalore the Ultimate. The developers were retconning there. At least they were trying to... it's much like with the technology level. It wasn't supposed to represent "everything getting really modern looking in 40 years", it was supposed to imply "this is what the stuff happening in TotJ really looked like"... obviously other writers in the EU didn't like this. Which is a pity... since a 20,000 year old Republic that looks like the one in TotJ makes *no* sense. Tis no matter. (217.135.139.111 01:39, 6 June 2006 (UTC))

I was just wondering where it is stated that HK-47 was sent to assassinate this Mandalore. What I understand is that HK-47 was sent on a mission to assassinate an unknown target in Mandalorian space and was either damaged upon completion of the mission or before he could accomplish it. He then came into the possession of a Mandalorian soldier who repaired him, rather poorly, and used his assassination protocols to rise in the ranks. Eventually he sent HK-47 against this unknown Mandalore, who captured and reprogrammed him to assassinate the soldier instead. Following the death of this master, HK-47 shut down. S W Is For Life 05:26, 25 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Mistake or not (and I'm leaning to not), it is mentioned, and, until it is overridden by another canon source or is retconned, it's canon. 01:12, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Did anyone know that the grammar use of the name Mandalorian actually went like this: one Mandalore, two Mandalorians? The whole reference system is corrupted! Karohalva 01:15, 1 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I personally find the entire subject matter completely irrelevent, and a simple error on the BioWare writer's part in not doing their homework, or not having a better understanding of the Mandalorian culture at the time. There is absolutely no substantial evidence in the entire series that supports any claim that this 'Unknown' even exsisted. This article is conjecture, and therefor non estsblished canon in any sense.