Talk:Timeline of canon media

Catalyst
Just started reading Catalyst and saw that the Del Rey timeline places it after Tarkin. Norhungson (talk) 18:11, November 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * Del Rey does place it after Tarkin, but when you've read it all, you'll realize it's obviously a mistake. --LelalMekha (talk) 18:33, November 27, 2016 (UTC)
 * I'm reading through it now. I'm only a few chapters in so far, but it takes place over a fair span of time. Chapter 3 refers to the conquering of Geonosis and the dismantling/repurposing of the droid foundry, and Chapter 7 refers to the capture of Poggle the Lesser, all which happened as a result of the "Second Battle of Geonosis". (The 2nd Battle of Geonosis takes place in The Clone Wars episodes 205-207). We learn Jyn Erso was conceived not long after the start of the Clone Wars, and that Galen's arrest on Vallt took place before the first anniversary of the First "Battle of Geonosis". Lastly the opening text of "Catalyst" already makes mention of the battle station's construction. This means the 2nd Battle of Geonosis must have happened less than one year after the first, including the arrest of Poggle and the beginning construction of the Death Star in orbit above Geonosis. Furthermore, as far in as Chapter 7 we learn Jyn is 7 months old in 21 BBY. I'll post more as I get further into the book. No doubt sections of the book will take place at different points in the Canon timeline. Jedispy (talk) 23:38, March 3, 2017 (UTC)
 * Catalyst Chapter 8 has some confusing remarks from Mas Amedda to Lt Cmdr Krennic, referring to the "recent" losses on Ryloth and Bothawui. These events would have taken place while Galin Erso was on Vallt, but it certainly wouldn't be "recent" news for Krennic in this timeline. Chapter 8 takes place a few months after Krennic rescued the Ersos from Vallt. Jedispy (talk) 00:57, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Catalyst chapter 9 takes place some time after Clone Wars s03e18-e20 (Citadel, Counterattack, Citadel Rescue). In chapter 9 Tarkin talks to Galin Erso about those events. Jedispy (talk) 00:57, March 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Catalyst chapters 11 & 12 take place during the events of Revenge of the Sith, up to the end of the war. Jedispy (talk) 02:53, March 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * The opening section of chapter 13 occurs during the epilogue scene in ROTS where Vader, Tarkin, and the Emperor oversee the early construction of the Death Star. Jedispy (talk) 02:53, March 6, 2017 (UTC)
 * The remainder of chapter 13 happens a few weeks after the end of ROTS Jedispy (talk) 02:53, March 6, 2017 (UTC)

"Hide" ability
I used to be able to click "hide" on all but "yet to be released" and then I could keep track of upcoming books/comics etc.

Somebody has changed something, it doesn't work anymore.
 * A little while ago we modified the filters so that if, for instance, you "hide" the Novels category, it hides all released and upcoming novels. A downside of this is that unpublished material can't be filtered. However, you can still easily find upcoming content by double clicking on the "Released" column. Hope this helps! - Cwedin (talk) 17:39, December 6, 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks
 * Just wanted to add that, for filtering purposes, probably would be much easier to pull the data into Google Sheet using the 'formula'  (the number 4 there represents the 'index' of the timeline table; at the time of my posting this comment, the timeline table is the 4th table in the page).
 * After importing the table, one can use GSheet's 'Filter' feature to do some slicing and dicing. [ pepoluan  talk ] 11:09, July 25, 2017 (UTC)

A Recipe For Death Placement
The citation for the placement of "A Recipe For Death" as the first item on the timeline says " "A Recipe for Death" establishes that Strono Tuggs has served in Maz Kanata's castle for twenty-some years, and Star Wars: The Force Awakens: The Visual Dictionary establishes that Tuggs served in the castle for centuries. As such, "A Recipe for Death" must take place at least 171 years before Star Wars: Episode VII The Force Awakens, or at least 105 years before Star Wars: Episode I The Phantom Menace."

The actual text of the Visual Dictionary entry is "A centuries-old fixture within the castle, Tuggs has a surly attitude that is the subject of good-natured ribbing by those who eat his cooking in the dining hall." While that could be read as him being a fixture for centuries, I think the more plain interpretation is that he's centuries old, and is also a fixture. This would be similar to saying that, as of ESB, Yoda is a "centuries-old fixture in the Dagobah swamps."

The intent of the author seems to have been to write a set of stories set shortly before The Force Awakens. If "A Recipe For Death" is set shortly before The Force Awakens, and he's been working there for about twenty years, I'd say it's fair to call him a fixture in the castle. I propose moving it into the same time period as the other TFAGFFA: Aliens stories.

ASWalsh (talk) 02:08, January 11, 2017 (UTC)
 * That interpretation would be valid, but Star Wars Character Encyclopedia: Updated and Expanded clarifies the intent: "The aged Strono has served for centuries as Maz Kanata's cook, growing increasingly surly with each passing year." - Cwedin (talk) 22:06, January 11, 2017 (UTC)

Oooh, didn't realize there was a second source. Objection withdrawn! ASWalsh (talk) 23:49, January 12, 2017 (UTC)

Rebels timeline
I tried adding dates to rebels episodes but instead messed everything up.70.75.229.71 00:46, January 26, 2017 (UTC)
 * What episodes were you trying to add dates too? I can help you out if you need any --Lewisr (talk) 00:48, January 26, 2017 (UTC)
 * Warhead and Trails of the Darksaber, but I ended up screwing up the Unknown placement and Notes and References section instead. Could you do it? 70.75.229.71 00:50, January 26, 2017 (UTC)
 * Ah I understand no worries, well I've got it done for you! --Lewisr (talk) 00:54, January 26, 2017 (UTC)
 * Thanks, and could you also do Dr. Aphra? As an immediate sequel to Vader, it would easily take place in 0 ABY. 70.75.229.71 01:02, January 26, 2017 (UTC)
 * Although I tend to agree that it would take place in 0 ABY, I'd feel better about it with a source that says 0 ABY --Lewisr (talk) 01:10, January 26, 2017 (UTC)

Non-fiction media
Is there a reason we don't include non-fiction media in this timeline? I understand that you can't really pin them down to a particular year, but shouldn't we at least have a section for non-fiction items on this page? We could even include an in-universe year range covered by the contents of the media. I use this timeline to find new canon media to consume, but I completely miss out on most of the non-fiction because I don't see a page that catalogs it. --Discobob (talk) 21:38, February 15, 2017 (UTC)
 * Since this page is a timeline, it's restricted to only narrative media. We could add in reference works, but almost all of them cover the same year range, so it wouldn't really be useful in that regard. In theory, new canon reference books can be found here, but that page needs some work. Until that's cleaned up, I'd recommend taking a look here. This question has been brought up before, so maybe a change is in order. - Cwedin (talk) 21:46, February 15, 2017 (UTC)

Star Wars Clone Wars Vol 1&2
I get it that Clone Wars Volumes 1 & 2 are not considered canon. However it it where both Ventress and Greivous are introduced. Where is it stated that officially that these are no longer canon? The only inconsistency I can think of is the existence of talz Jedi master Foul Moudama. Talz were a new discovery in 22 BBY, and there would not have been enough time for one to join the Order and become a master. Jedispy (talk) 04:35, March 10, 2017 (UTC)
 * Good question! Many Wookieepedians (myself included) have been pretty lousy at explaining this, but I'll do my best. When Lucasfilm rebooted the Expanded Universe and moved the non-Lucas stories to "Legends," they moved all of the non-Lucas stories, regardless of inconsistencies. Since Star Wars: Clone Wars wasn't created by Lucas, it falls into Legends. All that, paired with Jennifer Heddle's Tweets (and Wookieepedia bureaucracy), is why Clone Wars is non-canon. However, since most of the show doesn't contradict anything, it's stories (or versions of them) can still be reintroduced, if Lucasfilm decides to do so. For example, Catalyst: A Rogue One Novel references the events of Clone Wars Chapter 20. Personally, my head-canon still considers the show to be canon, except for the contradictions. Put simply, the episodes themselves are not canon, but the stories told in the episodes might be. - Cwedin (talk) 05:23, March 10, 2017 (UTC)

Bottleneck Dating
This timeline dates the short story Bottleneck at Approx 14 BBY, yet 11 BBY is where all of the information (such as events, deaths, etc.) goes for this particular short story. I know I'm missing something and just need a bit of clarification. Why isn't the details of this short story edited under 14 BBY? Should this story be dated 11 BBY? DoctorMax (talk) 10:42, April 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * The date should be 11 BBY. "Bottleneck" ends with Sloane's promotion to Captain of the Ultimatum, and A New Dawn refers to her as "the new captain." - Cwedin (talk) 23:06, April 5, 2017 (UTC)
 * Awesome, thanks for the clarification. Glad to help anyway I can. DoctorMax  (talk) 01:27, April 7, 2017 (UTC)

Guardians of the Whills
Guardians of the Whills is classified as a junior novel. I don't think it's supposed to be considered a junior novel. Perhaps YA?

Sorry if this formatted poorly/incorrectly, this is my first time using a wiki.
 * Welcome to Wookieepedia, Aatticus! Guardians of the Whills is classified as a junior novel because it's a chapter book. It's more mature than other chapter books, such as the Rebels novels, but it's closer to that category than it is to YA. - Cwedin (talk) 23:04, August 15, 2017 (UTC)

Legends of Luke Skywalker placement
Where are we placing this on this timeline? The book definitely starts after Blade Squadron: Jakku but I'm not sure where after it goes that, my best guess it we just put it before Tales from Wild Space: Stop, Thief! until we know for certain where it fits in the TL, unless I missed something in the book? --Lewisr (talk) 19:57, November 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * I think that should be fine, maybe with an 'exact placement unknown' tag? - Tommy-Macaroni  Imperial Emblem.svg ( Talk ) 20:00, November 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * That works for me --Lewisr (talk) 20:04, November 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * So we definitely aren't doing the short stories by themselves? That'd work nicely.--ZapikCZ (talk) 20:14, November 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't really know, was there ever a book like this within legends? If so then we can see how that was handled, if not then we kind of need to make a decision about what we do --Lewisr (talk) 20:20, November 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * Is the book just stand-alone stories?? If it's it should be an article per story like FOACPV or Tales from...., If notthen I think it should be just the article of the book, since the stories are collected and narrated by someone just like FoD Daring Adventures series.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 20:25, November 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * Basically it goes the prelude, story, interlude, story, interlude, story, interlude, story, interlude, story, interlude, story then the last chapter. There's a group of people on a ship and they each take it in turn to tell a story about Luke --Lewisr (talk) 20:30, November 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should separate them. It would be like the Phasma novel, in Phasma Vi is telling Phasma stories to Cardinal--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 20:42, November 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * But these all have names!--ZapikCZ (talk) 20:49, November 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * Each story doesn't need its own article, but I think placing them on the timeline like "The Legends of Luke Skywalker&mdash;'Story Name'" would be appropriate. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 20:53, November 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * That could work.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 20:55, November 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * So, would that apply to appearances too?--ZapikCZ (talk) 20:59, November 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * I don't know. I think that needs to be part of a larger conversation about how to document this book, because none of the narrators are reliable. Nothing in the book can really be taken as objective fact. - Brandon Rhea (talk) 21:01, November 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * I agree, this is a book where someone tells a story of another individual or droid's interaction with Luke, meaning it is very hard to say whether it ever actually happened as described in the book/if at all --Lewisr (talk) 21:11, November 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * That wouldn't affect the appearances. A fact or not, they're mentioned or appear on the book, but I would say No, there's no need to separate the appearances per story. --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 21:13, November 1, 2017 (UTC)
 * I meant for overall how we add any information to any pages, there is one story I have doubts we can really take as actually happening, one with a mole-flea claiming he was actually helping Luke during the Rescue of Han Solo --Lewisr (talk) 21:29, November 1, 2017 (UTC)

In Universe Reference Guides
Hello and let me just say that I love this page, but I feel that because IN UNIVERSE reference books add to the canon and story. I've brouht this up in a discussion today as well. Again I know you guys have turned down severel similar ideas but this is different. If you could add them to your list that would be fantastic. It would make the list complete. Im not asking you to put in "official guides" or "visual dictionaries" I'm talking about stories/guides thatdouble as in-universe documents.

Here's the list: --ZapikCZ (talk) 21:38, November 19, 2017 (UTC)
 * Category:Replica journals
 * Star Wars: The Rebel Files – Deluxe Edition
 * Star Wars Propaganda: A History of Persuasive Art in the Galaxy
 * Rogue One: Rebel Dossier
 * Star Wars: Galactic Atlas

Adaptations
Adaptations should have their own category so that they may be filtered out. Not that this would make a difference for the case of making adaptations their own category, but many casual fans are of the opinion that additional information in an adaptation (e.g. a novelization of one of the episodes) is not crucial information to STAR WARS as a story. But in regards to technical details, this information is important, especially to the Lucasfilm Story Group. DJ1AM (talk) 14:13, December 16, 2017 (UTC)
 * I'm open to this, but I don't think there's enough room. It'd be something like "unreleased", so it could be added to other categories.--ZapikCZ (talk) 15:23, December 16, 2017 (UTC)
 * This sounds like the perfect way to do it. The category could be gray in the key table at the top. I dont think that the color of the category box for each work would need to be changed, as they are for "unpublished" works. I don't think that any information would have to be changed for these works; adaptations are already described as such under those works' titles. DJ1AM (talk) 16:32, January 21, 2018 (UTC)

Star Wars Adventures/Tales From Wild Space
I haven't read these yet, but judging from the descriptions it looks like they are not properly placed on the timeline? For example, "Stop Thief" apparently involves Obi Wan during the Clone Wars, but it's placed after "Blade Squadron: Jakku" along with several others from the same series that appear to take place across the canon timeline. Can anyone who's read these more accurately place them?
 * I guess they've been placed after Jakku, because the "main story" is about Graf telling those stories which are supposed to be after the Galactic Civil War--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 06:55, December 27, 2017 (UTC)
 * But he talks about stuff from during The Last Jedi. So, it should be placed afer absolutely everything else for now anyway. OR, we can put it where the actual story takes place. Like we do with Smuggler's Run: A Han Solo & Chewbacca Adventure, etc.--ZapikCZ (talk) 20:54, January 12, 2018 (UTC)

Missing Tales of Hope & Courage
The list appears to be missing the story "Forces of Destiny: Tales of Hope & Courage". It's listed as cannon on its wiki page here http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forces_of_Destiny:_Tales_of_Hope_%26_Courage but I don't see it if I search in the list. Can't figure how to add it myself.
 * That's a Replica Journal, se é the discussion above (it's not a discussion, since no one replied though).--ZapikCZ (talk) 20:54, January 12, 2018 (UTC)

Days before The Last Jedi
According to Jennifer Heddle here, this novella 'takes place just days before The Last Jedi', should we put this as happening before The Force Awakens also? --Lewisr (talk) 03:08, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * We don't know exactly how many days TFA spans, so it's possible that Canto Bight is concurrent to it. (Also, I'm pretty sure one of the stories indirectly mentions the destruction of the NR, but I could be wrong). For now, I think that placing Canto Bight between TFA and TLJ would be best. - Cwedin (talk) 03:25, January 14, 2018 (UTC)
 * True, I did consider that but placing it between the two for now is fine by me --Lewisr (talk) 03:27, January 14, 2018 (UTC)

Original and Prequel Trilogy Novelizations
Shouldn't the original and prequel trilogy novelizations be considered canon? I guess the official statement here doesn't list the novels, but it seems odd to me to canonize the movies, but not the books. Is there an official statement clarifying this?
 * There was a brief discussion about that here. Long story short, the pre-2014 novelizations sometimes make references to things that are not meant to be canon. One example of this is the ROTS novel, which is part of The Dark Lord Trilogy and makes several Legends-only references. - Cwedin (talk) 04:57, January 17, 2018 (UTC)

Inclusion of 'Far Too Remote'
I noticed the timeline includes an entry for Far Too Remote although the page for this work lists it as non-canon. Therefore I think it would be correct to remove this work from the timeline. Thoughts? 20acole (talk)

Star Wars: Secrets of the Empire
Don’t know if anyone has done this VR experience yet, but doing some research on Star Wars: Secrets of the Empire I see that it’s canon, anyone got any idea on its placement in the Canon Timeline? Is it canon in the first place? Thanks guys - DoctorMax  (talk) 01:10, February 6, 2018 (UTC)
 * All we know really is that it takes place between Star Wars: Rogue One – Cassian & K-2SO Special 1 and Rogue One: A Star Wars Story, nothing certain on exact date as of right now --Lewisr (talk) 01:14, February 6, 2018 (UTC)

Post-RotJ timeline discrepancies
Alright so I came about some inconsistencies within the post-RotJ timeline. Here's what we know:

- AEYNTK places RotJ as 6 months after ESB (so does legends so ill stick with it being re canonized)

- ESB is in 3 ABY and, 6 months later we are in 4 ABY for RotJ. At the very latest, RotJ would be in Month 6 of 4 ABY (and that is if Empire is one of the very last events of 3 ABY either way)

- You also have Shattered Empire IV as the very first event in 5 ABY. SE IV is 3 months after RotJ which, if we use the very latest possible time for Empire, would still place it in Month 9 of 4 ABY. The Wook cites 'Galactic Atlas' as the reasoning for placing SE IV in 5 ABY.

- So, there isn't enough months to have ESB, RotJ, and SE IV in three different years

'''The conclusion that I have come to is one of two things. '''

1. 'Galactic Atlas' only places Shara and Kes settling down in 5 ABY. You could easily say that the end of the issue took place after the Battle of Jakku. They both likely would have continued fighting until the defeat of the Empire.

2. 'Galactic Atlas' is written "from a certain point of view", so, it could be likely that it is just incorrect. Generally, you should not accept what is said in those type of books as complete fact because of them being written "from a certain point of view".

So, in conclusion. There is no way SE IV, Life Debt, and Kuat can be placed in 4 ABY due to the limited amount of months between Empire and Jedi. At most, 6 months would be left over until the turn of the year after RotJ due to its proximity to ESB. So, that would place all of Uprising, Life Debt, Blade Squadron: Kuat, and most of the BFII missions in 4 ABY. But, ESB is also placed as 3 and a half years after ANH (by AEYNTK), which would place it in the middle of 3 ABY, while also placing RotJ at the very beginning of 4 ABY. So, that would make The Battle of Jakku one of the very first events in 5 ABY (along with im guessing most or all of Empire's End)

So, I propose we place everything between Uprising and Blade Squadron: Kuat in 4 ABY to account for the discrepancies

--Confederalis (talk) 03:50, February 6, 2018 (UTC)
 * You bring up good points, but I think Galactic Atlas is more trustworthy than AEYNTK. The back of AEYNTK even has a disclaimer that it's mostly drawing info from Legends. I think it's best to leave the timeline as is, unless the Story Group says otherwise. - Cwedin (talk) 03:58, February 6, 2018 (UTC)
 * While, yes, that does seem fair, the Wook itself sources a source outside AEYNTK for the placement of 3.5 years after ANH and 6 months before RotJ. I gathered that was the canon timeline, which would fit what I am advocating for --Confederalis (talk) 04:08, February 6, 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure which source you're referring to. Is it on this page? - Cwedin (talk) 04:17, February 6, 2018 (UTC)
 * The Empire Strikes Back page gives those dates in the infobox (3.5 years after ANH, 6 months before RotJ). It doesn't source AEYNTK either, it sources Leeland
 * Oh, ok. The six months can't actually be cited to Leland's Tweet (it only uses years), so that info probably shouldn't have been there. - Cwedin (talk) 04:24, February 6, 2018 (UTC)
 * Alright fair enough. Guess we'll just have to wait and see. Thanks!
 * No problem. I'll make a mental note of this discussion in case anything new pops up! - Cwedin (talk) 04:29, February 6, 2018 (UTC)

Timeline of Battlefront II
I noticed that the timeline stated for Battlefront II (the 2017 version) is 32 BBY through 34 ABY, but I don't think this is correct. That timeframe would be correct if you include some of the multiplayer content, or the arcade, where you can play in the time of the Republic, Separatists etc. but I can't imagine that that content is considered canon.

I'd think the only canonized content in the game is the single player storyline, which would be from 4 ABY through 34 ABY.

Thoughts?