Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Log/2019 May 18

May 18 18:01:27 Welcome to Inq Meeting 103. May 18 18:07:19 Starting with old articles May 18 18:07:29 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Xendor May 18 18:07:36 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8163015 May 18 18:07:42 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Xendor May 18 18:07:49 No changes May 18 18:07:51  kill May 18 18:07:55  kill May 18 18:07:56 Kill May 18 18:07:56  Noting that I also carry ecks' and SE's absentee votes. May 18 18:08:10  Tope is damn popular with absentees May 18 18:08:15 Xendor killed. May 18 18:08:27  I didn't say Kill :P May 18 18:08:31  Kill³ May 18 18:08:32  There :P May 18 18:08:34 Sorry May 18 18:08:36  It's ok :P May 18 18:08:37  heh May 18 18:08:42  I was finding the 3 superscript :P May 18 18:09:02 Xendor killed May 18 18:09:14 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Defender/Legends May 18 18:09:23 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8163016 May 18 18:09:30 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Defender/Legends May 18 18:09:35 No changes. May 18 18:09:40  kill May 18 18:09:41  Kill³ May 18 18:09:42  kill/Legends May 18 18:10:01 Kill May 18 18:10:07 Defender/Legends killed. May 18 18:10:33 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Triumphant/Legends May 18 18:10:39 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8163017 May 18 18:10:46 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Triumphant/Legends May 18 18:10:50 No changes. May 18 18:10:55  kill May 18 18:10:56  kill May 18 18:10:57  Kill³ May 18 18:11:02 Kill May 18 18:11:10 Triumphant/Legends killed. May 18 18:11:26 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_the_Graveyard May 18 18:11:31 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8163018 May 18 18:11:36 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Battle_of_the_Graveyard May 18 18:11:41 No changes. May 18 18:11:43 <Tommy-Macaroni> kill May 18 18:11:51 <Imperators> Battle of the Kill May 18 18:12:02 <Toprawa> Kill³ May 18 18:12:11 Kill May 18 18:12:19 Battle of the Graveyard killed. May 18 18:12:32 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Boz_Pity_(Galactic_Civil_War) May 18 18:12:36 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8163019 May 18 18:12:41 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Battle_of_Boz_Pity_(Galactic_Civil_War) May 18 18:12:45 No changes. May 18 18:12:46 <Tommy-Macaroni> kill May 18 18:12:48 kill May 18 18:12:53 <Imperators> what a Pity May 18 18:12:54 <Imperators> kill May 18 18:12:57 <Toprawa> Kill³ May 18 18:12:57 * ecks makes toilet cameo appearance May 18 18:13:12 Kill May 18 18:13:21 Battle of Boz Pity (Galactic Civil War) killed. May 18 18:13:34 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Matchstick/Legends May 18 18:13:38 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8163020 May 18 18:13:42 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Matchstick/Legends May 18 18:13:45 No changes. May 18 18:13:50 <Tommy-Macaroni> kill May 18 18:13:56 kill May 18 18:13:59 <Imperators> kill May 18 18:14:04 <Toprawa> Kill² May 18 18:14:08 Kill May 18 18:14:16 Matchstick/Legends killed. May 18 18:14:25 <Imperators> aww, Tope got depowered to a mere square May 18 18:14:30 <Toprawa> Damn :P May 18 18:14:43 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Deneba May 18 18:14:47 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8163021 May 18 18:14:55 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Battle_of_Deneba May 18 18:14:57 No changes. May 18 18:15:04 <Tommy-Macaroni> kill May 18 18:15:05 <Toprawa> Kill² May 18 18:15:09 Kill May 18 18:15:11 <Imperators> kill May 18 18:15:11 kill May 18 18:15:22 Battle of Deneba killed. May 18 18:15:36 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Conclave_at_Deneba May 18 18:15:48 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8163024 May 18 18:15:55 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Conclave_at_Deneba_(second_review) May 18 18:15:59 <Imperators> can we kill anything else Deneba-related? May 18 18:16:03 No meaningful changes. May 18 18:16:05 kill May 18 18:16:06 <Toprawa> Kill² May 18 18:16:06 <Tommy-Macaroni> kill May 18 18:16:06 <Imperators> kill May 18 18:16:08 Kill May 18 18:16:15 and now I leave Tope with my vote again May 18 18:16:22 Conclave at Deneba killed. May 18 18:16:25 <Toprawa> MY POWERS HAVE ALMOST DOUBLED SINCE WE LAST MET May 18 18:16:32 <Imperators> almost doubled May 18 18:16:37 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Vima_Sunrider May 18 18:16:40 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8163025 May 18 18:16:45 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Vima_Sunrider May 18 18:16:49 No changes. May 18 18:16:52 <Tommy-Macaroni> kill May 18 18:16:54 <Imperators> Vima was on Deneba... May 18 18:16:54 <Toprawa> Kill³ May 18 18:16:57 <Imperators> kill May 18 18:17:01 Kill May 18 18:17:10 Vima Sunrider killed. May 18 18:17:22 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Elis_Helrot/Legends May 18 18:17:26 https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8163028 May 18 18:17:31 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Elis_Helrot/Legends May 18 18:17:35 No changes. May 18 18:17:38 <Toprawa> Kill³ May 18 18:17:40 <Imperators> kill May 18 18:17:41 Kill May 18 18:17:45 <Tommy-Macaroni> kill May 18 18:17:55 Elis Helrot/Legends killed. May 18 18:18:10 No Changes: An Inq Story May 18 18:18:27 <Tommy-Macaroni> I needed that :P May 18 18:18:33 <Imperators> let ecks make a poster for that May 18 18:18:39 <Toprawa> :D May 18 18:18:39 Going on to new articles: May 18 18:18:50 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_the_City_of_Bone May 18 18:18:57    Digitize all comic images May 18 18:18:57    Reference 2 is on the right track, but I'd like to see it expanded to explain basic things like this Ord Mantell battle is the first post-Hoth level from the SOTE video game. May 18 18:18:57    3 ABY can't be sourced directly to the comic and is exclusive to the intro May 18 18:18:57    Linking should be adjusted in the infobox to first mentions May 18 18:18:57    BTS is unsourced. Format short story titles there correctly as well. May 18 18:18:57    Reference 6 needs to use Hyperspace citation template. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:24, May 13, 2019 (UTC) May 18 18:19:19 <Imperators> a City of Bone is what's left behind after an Inq meeting. May 18 18:19:23 <Imperators> probe May 18 18:19:25 <Tommy-Macaroni> probe May 18 18:19:25 <Toprawa> Probe³ May 18 18:19:26 Probe May 18 18:19:38 Battle of the City of Bone probed. May 18 18:19:48 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Rokur_Gepta May 18 18:19:55    Most of the BBY dates are not sourced properly May 18 18:19:55    Reference 7 needs to use CSWECite May 18 18:19:55    BTS isn't fully sourced. I'd also like to see that section rewritten and expanded a bit. May 18 18:19:55    It certainly seems like there could be an Equipment section. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:24, May 13, 2019 (UTC) May 18 18:20:03 <Imperators> ohhh, not Gepta May 18 18:20:04 <Tommy-Macaroni> probe May 18 18:20:05 <Toprawa> Probe³ May 18 18:20:06 <Imperators> probe May 18 18:20:08 Probe May 18 18:20:14 Rokur Gepta probed. May 18 18:20:25 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Freedon_Nadd May 18 18:20:29 <Toprawa> We're going after some big articles this meeting May 18 18:20:35    Most, if not all, of the BBY dates are not sourced properly May 18 18:20:35    Infobox-exclusive information May 18 18:20:35    Format image captions correctly May 18 18:20:35    Digitize any and all comic images that aren't already May 18 18:20:35    Certainly there should be an Equipment section. Some of this material is discussed in the P/T, but it doesn't really belong there. May 18 18:20:35    There are several paragraphs throughout the article that could use breaks. The first "Powers and abilities" paragraph, for example, is unnecessary large. May 18 18:20:35    Fix all redirects May 18 18:20:35    Format SW.com Databank names correctly May 18 18:20:35    BTS is unsourced. I'd like to see that section rewritten and modernized with subsections and possibly the addition of an image. May 18 18:20:35    In the Sources, the Starships & Vehicles items should specify entries like the Fact Files do May 18 18:20:35     In the Succession box, "unnamed" is OOU nomenclature, which should be avoided May 18 18:20:35    Ref 7 needs to use CSWECite. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:24, May 13, 2019 (UTC) May 18 18:20:51 <Imperators> jeez, Tope May 18 18:20:54 <Tommy-Macaroni> probe May 18 18:20:56 <Toprawa> Probe³ May 18 18:20:57 <Imperators> probe May 18 18:21:01 Probe May 18 18:21:07 Freedon Nadd probed. May 18 18:21:16 <Toprawa> Big articles, big probation lists :P May 18 18:21:20 Not Freedon Nadd! May 18 18:21:33 <Toprawa> All of these are 2007-2008 era too, so the issues will be greater in number May 18 18:21:41 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Talon_Karrde May 18 18:21:43 <Toprawa> These are some of our oldest FAs May 18 18:22:01    Most, if not all, of the BBY/ABY dates are not sourced properly May 18 18:22:01    The original author of this article had a strong inclination toward the use of tacking multiple references onto the ends of sentences; example: "Karrde was able to make many contacts throughout the underworld, including such figures as Billey, Samuel Tomas Gillespee, Jett and Fenig Nabon, Par'tah, Lando Calrissian, and Booster Terrik.[1][3][5][15][16]" This is a practice we've really moved away from in May 18 18:22:01 the 10+ years since this article was originally written. Instead, it's now customary to reference specific points within the sentence. Given the tremendous size of this article, this is a major issue here that should be remedied, but is going to take a lot of time and work. May 18 18:22:01    Infobox-exclusive information May 18 18:22:01    Significant under-linking throughout May 18 18:22:01    Two-speaker quotes get Quote template, not Dialogue May 18 18:22:01    Digitize all comic images May 18 18:22:01    There are quite a few paragraphs that look like they could be broken up into smaller portions to avoid the walls of text. May 18 18:22:01    Many of the images are oddly placed and of insufficient thumbnail size. There are also places where it looks like more images could be included for a more uniform presentation as one scrolls down the page. All of which is a relic of Monobook. May 18 18:22:01    The P/T just seems skimpy. This is a character whose personality is probably his most defining quality, and probably one of the most personality-rich characters of the entire EU. I could see a major expansion here This is what a good P/T looks like. May 18 18:22:01    Certainly could use a good-sized Equipment section May 18 18:22:01    Fix all redirects May 18 18:22:01    Format SW.com Databank names correctly May 18 18:22:01    Ref 38 needs to use CSWECite May 18 18:22:01    Refs 41 and 43 need to use Shortstory template May 18 18:22:01    Ref 57 needs to use CCG citation template and reference the specific card May 18 18:22:01    Refs 60 and 61 need to use Citeweb May 18 18:22:01    BTS is skimpy. I'd like to see it expanded and modernized. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:24, May 13, 2019 (UTC) May 18 18:22:01 <Imperators> Gotta Kill 'Em All May 18 18:22:41 <Tommy-Macaroni> probe May 18 18:22:43 <Imperators> probe May 18 18:22:47 Probe May 18 18:22:47 <Toprawa> Probe³ May 18 18:22:53 Talon Karrde probed. May 18 18:23:16 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Armand_Isard/Legends May 18 18:23:25    Infobox death date is not properly referenced. Also, remove the GrS date. May 18 18:23:25    Infobox-exclusive information May 18 18:23:25    Not all of the BBY/ABY dates are properly referenced May 18 18:23:25    Redlink May 18 18:23:25    Format SW.com Databank entries correctly May 18 18:23:25    Missing archive links May 18 18:23:25    The P/T seems a little skimpy to me May 18 18:23:25     No quote for the P/T? May 18 18:23:25    Could use an Equipment section May 18 18:23:25    Digitize all comic images May 18 18:23:25    Images are needlessly not alternating down the page May 18 18:23:25    BTS not fully sourced May 18 18:23:25    Citation issues: May 18 18:23:25        Ref 4 use SW.com citation template May 18 18:23:25        Ref 10 should use SW.com to cite the Message Board post May 18 18:23:25        All of the many HoloNet references need to use citation templates. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:24, May 13, 2019 (UTC) May 18 18:23:55 <Tommy-Macaroni> probe May 18 18:23:57 <Toprawa> Probe³ May 18 18:24:01 Probe May 18 18:24:08 <Imperators> "needlessly not alternating" pls somebody make this a T-shirt May 18 18:24:09 <Imperators> probe May 18 18:24:13 <Toprawa> heh May 18 18:24:22 Armand Isard/Legends probed. May 18 18:24:43 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Orman_Tagge May 18 18:24:51    Digitize all comic images May 18 18:24:51    I'm not sure any of the BBY/ABY dates are referenced properly May 18 18:24:51    Remove the GrS date from the infobox May 18 18:24:51    Infobox-exclusive information May 18 18:24:51    Under-linking May 18 18:24:51    Redlink May 18 18:24:51    Could use an Equipment section May 18 18:24:51    Format quote attribution lines correctly May 18 18:24:51    BTS is unsourced May 18 18:24:51    Rewrite and clean up BTS so it's not just one giant wall of text May 18 18:24:51    Format SW.com Databank entries correctly May 18 18:24:51    Use SW.com citation template for Evasive Action: End Game May 18 18:24:51    Ref 6 needs to use CSWECite May 18 18:24:51    Ref 12 is pretty inadequate May 18 18:24:51    Cite article with FFCite for ref 19. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:24, May 13, 2019 (UTC) May 18 18:25:14 <Tommy-Macaroni> probe May 18 18:25:16 <Toprawa> Probe³ May 18 18:25:18 <Imperators> probe May 18 18:25:21 Probe May 18 18:25:28 Orman Tagge probed. May 18 18:25:35 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Tott_Doneeta May 18 18:25:45    The intro really doesn't need to be that massive. We have longer FAs than this whose intros aren't as large. May 18 18:25:45    Digitize all comic images May 18 18:25:45    Infobox-exclusive information May 18 18:25:45    BBY dates aren't referenced properly May 18 18:25:45    Two-speaker quotes get Quote, not Dialogue May 18 18:25:45    Could use an Equipment section May 18 18:25:45    Fix redirects May 18 18:25:45    A few paragraphs could definitely use breaks May 18 18:25:45    BTS unsourced and could probably be subsectioned May 18 18:25:45    Publication dates would be nice in BTS May 18 18:25:45    Format image captions correctly May 18 18:25:45    Format SW.com Databank entries correctly May 18 18:25:45    Ref 9 needs to use WEG citation template. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:24, May 13, 2019 (UTC) May 18 18:26:03 <Imperators> TotJ is dying right in front of our eyes May 18 18:26:04 <Imperators> probe May 18 18:26:05 <Tommy-Macaroni> probe May 18 18:26:06 <Toprawa> Probe³ May 18 18:26:09 Probe May 18 18:26:13 Tott Doneeta probed. May 18 18:26:21 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jon_(farmer) May 18 18:26:27    Under-linking May 18 18:26:27    It's not necessary to repeat species/sex between the beginning of the Bio and P/T, particularly for an article this short. The article would be best served by just picking one of the two to go with. May 18 18:26:27    Possibly a minor intro expansion? It just seems kind of short in relation to the length of the Bio. May 18 18:26:27    3956 BBY is exclusive to the intro May 18 18:26:27    An Equipment section? May 18 18:26:27    Format image captions correctly May 18 18:26:27    Format quote captions correctly May 18 18:26:27    I don't understand how or why this is correct/relevant: "...and was created by David Falkner, Steve Gilmour, Casey Hudson, Drew Karpyshyn, James Ohlen, Preston Watamaniuk, and Derek Watts." What do all of these many people have to do with the character's creation, and how is this verifiable from just citing the game? May 18 18:26:27    This can just be removed from the BTS: "Knights of the Old Republic is the only source in which Jon appears,[1] but he has been mentioned in the game's strategy guide[3] and in 2008's The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia.[2]" May 18 18:26:27    Ref 2 needs to use CSWECite. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:24, May 13, 2019 (UTC) May 18 18:26:38 Jon? Random farmer dude? May 18 18:26:51 <Tommy-Macaroni> probe May 18 18:26:54 <Imperators> probe 'im May 18 18:26:54 <Toprawa> Probe³ May 18 18:26:55 Probe May 18 18:27:01 Jon (farmer) probed. May 18 18:27:10 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Chik_Apla May 18 18:27:12 <Toprawa> The most important FA we have, next to Mount Sorrow :P May 18 18:27:21    Digitize all comic images May 18 18:27:21    Infobox-exclusive information May 18 18:27:21    19 ABY dates not referenced properly May 18 18:27:21    "Tales and abilities" is not a Layout Guide-stipulated section. Some of that info also belongs in an Equipment section. May 18 18:27:21    Format image captions correctly May 18 18:27:21    Ref 2 needs to use Citeweb May 18 18:27:21    Missing archival link May 18 18:27:21    Article should be referenced by individual comic issue. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:24, May 13, 2019 (UTC) May 18 18:27:44 <Toprawa> The Appearances should also list by individual issue, for that matter May 18 18:27:47 <Toprawa> That's now policy May 18 18:27:53 <Tommy-Macaroni> probe May 18 18:27:55 <Toprawa> Probe³ May 18 18:27:55 Probe May 18 18:27:57 <Imperators> probe May 18 18:28:00 Chik Apla probed. May 18 18:28:09 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Barpotomous_Drebble/Legends May 18 18:28:15    Digitize all comic images May 18 18:28:15    Infobox birth field: "Unknown" is OOU nomenclature and should be avoided May 18 18:28:15    Infobox-exclusive information May 18 18:28:15    Redlink May 18 18:28:15    3.5 ABY date not referenced properly May 18 18:28:15    Format image captions correctly May 18 18:28:15    BTS: May 18 18:28:15        Unsourced May 18 18:28:15        Things like publication years and comic illustrators would be nice May 18 18:28:15        The BTS should avoid just giving a regurgitated synopsis of the Appearances/Sources, which is mostly what the entire second and third paragraphs are May 18 18:28:15    Missing backup links May 18 18:28:15    Ref 9 should use YouTube citation template May 18 18:28:15    There has got to be a better source for reference 10 than IMDb. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:24, May 13, 2019 (UTC) May 18 18:28:32 <Tommy-Macaroni> probe May 18 18:28:34 <Imperators> probe May 18 18:28:35 <Toprawa> Probe³ May 18 18:28:40 Probe May 18 18:28:50 Barpotomous Drebble/Legends probed. May 18 18:28:59 All right, let's check the maintenance bin... May 18 18:29:46 How many more do you think we should add? May 18 18:29:54 <Toprawa> We are at your mercy May 18 18:30:19 <Imperators> just like Captain America, we can do this all day May 18 18:30:19 Let's add two more... May 18 18:30:30 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Scourge_(Sith) May 18 18:30:43 Wait, when was that released... May 18 18:30:49 <Toprawa> I was about to ask that May 18 18:31:27 Apparently it was late 2018 May 18 18:31:29 <Toprawa> Do we even have an article for this? May 18 18:31:36 I think it is just a mission. May 18 18:31:46 <Imperators> not for Flashpoint missions like that May 18 18:31:54 <Imperators> Dec 2018 May 18 18:31:57 https://www.swtor.com/patchnotes/12112018/game-update-5.10-jedi-under-siege May 18 18:32:04 <Toprawa> Gotcha May 18 18:32:25 <Toprawa> There's a redlink in the article May 18 18:32:33 The BTS isn't fully sourced. May 18 18:32:49 <Toprawa> Missing backup links May 18 18:32:52 <Tommy-Macaroni> What's the time we allow between release and potential probation again? May 18 18:33:01 <Toprawa> One month May 18 18:33:06 <Tommy-Macaroni> Cool May 18 18:33:10 The BTS quote link doesn't work. May 18 18:33:33 <Toprawa> The tweet was probably deleted May 18 18:33:41 <Toprawa> Which is why we archive them May 18 18:33:50 <Toprawa> Shame, Cade May 18 18:33:56 <Imperators> shaaaame May 18 18:33:59 <Imperators> probe May 18 18:34:08 <Toprawa> Probe³ May 18 18:34:11 Probe May 18 18:34:12 <Tommy-Macaroni> probe May 18 18:34:26 Scourge (Sith) probed. May 18 18:34:43 https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Lushros_Dofine May 18 18:34:56 Needs an update. May 18 18:35:07 BTS is unsourced. May 18 18:35:15 <Tommy-Macaroni> Duplicate links May 18 18:35:16 <Toprawa> There are a lot of things I could list here May 18 18:35:23 <Imperators> probe :D May 18 18:35:35 <Toprawa> If anyone fixes this stuff, we'll have a second round for them May 18 18:35:38 <Toprawa> Probe³ May 18 18:35:44 Probe May 18 18:35:46 <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe May 18 18:35:50 <Tommy-Macaroni> Oh dear May 18 18:35:54 Lushros Dofine probed. May 18 18:36:06 Does anyone have any additional articles they wish to bring forward? May 18 18:36:10 <Toprawa> Nope May 18 18:36:14 <Tommy-Macaroni> Nah May 18 18:36:16 <Imperators> god no May 18 18:36:28 Cool, do you want to present your discussion item now, Tope? May 18 18:36:30 <Imperators> quick peek at the Bylaws page May 18 18:36:33 <Toprawa> Yes May 18 18:36:40 <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Redux_page May 18 18:36:57 <Imperators> we still have that page. wow May 18 18:37:01 <Toprawa> At the last AC meeting, we agreed to merge the AC Redux page with the GAN page and add any relevant instructions to the GA instructions page. May 18 18:37:06 <Toprawa> I am proposing the Inq do the same with this. May 18 18:37:27 <Imperators> support May 18 18:37:29 <Toprawa> Support³ May 18 18:37:31 support May 18 18:37:34 <Tommy-Macaroni> Support May 18 18:37:41 Proposal passes. May 18 18:37:48 Does anyone else have any discussion items? May 18 18:37:56 <Toprawa> One second May 18 18:38:00 <Imperators> yes, me May 18 18:38:03 <Imperators> also, one second May 18 18:38:12 <Tommy-Macaroni> Race, race May 18 18:38:14 <Toprawa> I should modify that Redux proposal to say that we actually merged it with the WP:AC page itself May 18 18:38:20 <Toprawa> So this page should be merged to WP:FA May 18 18:38:25 <Toprawa> No May 18 18:38:26 <Toprawa> WP:INQ May 18 18:38:27 <Toprawa> Sorry May 18 18:38:34 <Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah May 18 18:38:39 <Tommy-Macaroni> Do we support again? May 18 18:38:45 <Toprawa> Nah, it's fine May 18 18:38:49 Okay, that makes sense. May 18 18:38:49 <Tommy-Macaroni> Coo May 18 18:38:52 <Tommy-Macaroni> *cool May 18 18:39:17 <Imperators> I found my thing May 18 18:39:24 <Imperators> if I may...? May 18 18:39:29 <Toprawa> Go ahead May 18 18:39:42 You have the floor. May 18 18:40:13 <Imperators> at the February meeting, we voted to have the Redux an Inq-only process. But I don't believe we specified the necessary vote count for a Reduxed article to count. May 18 18:40:38 <Imperators> currently, the (out-of-date) Inq instructions page says "When the article has received four supporting votes, at least two of which are from Inquisitorius members, do this: " May 18 18:40:46 <Tommy-Macaroni> Did we? May 18 18:40:54 <Imperators> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Log/2019_February_9 May 18 18:40:59 <Toprawa> I'm glad you brought that up.... May 18 18:41:38 <Toprawa> First of all, I will remind everyone that we don't have the authority to change those rules, as they were ratified in a CT. May 18 18:41:49 <Toprawa> FWIW, I was about to post this after you were finished with your discussion topic: May 18 18:41:54 <Toprawa> I just wanted to send out a general notice for the upcoming Mofference. A few meetings back, we agreed as a group to disallow non-Inq voting on Redux articles on the FAN page, which we don't actually have the authority to enforce ourselves, as it was a CT issue. I am going to be proposing the abolishment of this practice at the Mofference, so I encourage all of you to attend and voice your opinions on this matter. May 18 18:42:13 <Tommy-Macaroni> Ah cool May 18 18:42:42 <Toprawa> We can propose the removal of non-Inq voting and the revision of necessary support votes. May 18 18:42:54 <Toprawa> Which should be what, three? Four? May 18 18:43:14 <Imperators> discuss the vote count now or at the Mofference? May 18 18:43:34 <Toprawa> We can come to an agreement amongst ourselves now for what it should be, then propose it at the Mofference May 18 18:43:47 <Toprawa> Right now it's four of course, with at least 2 being Inqs May 18 18:43:58 <Imperators> AC has three May 18 18:44:18 <Imperators> hell, even EC has three May 18 18:44:32 <Imperators> let's streamline it *shrug* May 18 18:44:33 <Tommy-Macaroni> I think I would be happy with three, but totally not against four May 18 18:44:42 <Toprawa> The Inq probation process, which the Redux is an extension of, requires four supporting votes to keep a probed article May 18 18:44:46 <Toprawa> Should it be four for Redux, then? May 18 18:44:55 <Tommy-Macaroni> Good point May 18 18:45:00 <Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah, that makes senese May 18 18:45:03 <Tommy-Macaroni> *sense May 18 18:45:12 <Toprawa> That's why it's four right now to begin with May 18 18:45:14 <Imperators> indeed, good point May 18 18:45:36 <Toprawa> I'm with keeping it four May 18 18:45:40 Okay, I support requiring four. May 18 18:45:45 <Toprawa> So then it would mean that we need four Inq-only votes May 18 18:45:48 <Imperators> where do we get four Inqs, that's a question for another time :P May 18 18:45:58 <Toprawa> Yeah, that was the reason for the CT May 18 18:46:07 <Toprawa> Because the Inq wasn't working May 18 18:46:12 <Toprawa> So let's stop being broken May 18 18:46:25 <Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah I support 4 Inq votes May 18 18:46:25 <Imperators> #TopeSaysWeHaveToDoStuff May 18 18:46:27 <Toprawa> Also May 18 18:46:29 <Toprawa> I should add May 18 18:47:05 <Toprawa> The Redux process currently technically allows a month for nominators to respond to objections, which is ridiculous and easily abused May 18 18:47:22 <Imperators> ew May 18 18:47:30 <Toprawa> The idea for doing that originally was a nice idea -- that since probed articles typically get a month for people to fix them, Redux should too May 18 18:47:37 <Toprawa> But we're finding it's impractical on the FAN page May 18 18:47:54 <Toprawa> That should also be changed to 2 weeks, in accordance with normal nomination May 18 18:48:04 I support that. May 18 18:48:17 <Tommy-Macaroni> Support May 18 18:48:20 <Imperators> support May 18 18:48:27 <Toprawa> Support May 18 18:48:36 <Toprawa> So this is what we'll be presenting at the Mofference May 18 18:48:47 <Toprawa> Again, I encourage everyone to attend and voice your opinions May 18 18:49:03 <Imperators> *so glad* I don't have a shift the following morning May 18 18:49:14 <Toprawa> Good :P May 18 18:50:24 <Tommy-Macaroni> I assume you're gonna be presenting this Tope? May 18 18:50:30 <Toprawa> I can, yes May 18 18:50:37 <Tommy-Macaroni> Seeing as you seem to have the best understanding of the situation May 18 18:50:39 <Tommy-Macaroni> Cool May 18 18:51:53 All right, is that all of the discussion items? May 18 18:52:03 <Tommy-Macaroni> Nothing from me May 18 18:52:04 <Toprawa> Nothing else from me May 18 18:52:07 <Imperators> no more from me May 18 18:52:09 Cool May 18 18:52:16 Meeting duties... May 18 18:52:38 Tommy schedules meeting 104. May 18 18:52:56 And SE is responsible for paperwork. May 18 18:53:13 <Tommy-Macaroni> Ooh, gotta think of a theme May 18 18:53:16 Thanks for coming to the meeting, people. May 18 18:53:22 <Tommy-Macaroni> Thanks for hosting EJ May 18 18:53:23 <Toprawa> Thanks for hosting, EJ. Good job. May 18 18:53:26 <Imperators> thanks for hosting, EJ May 18 18:53:28 No problem.