Talk:Star Wars: The Force Unleashed II

Marek
Is LucasArts bringing back Marek somehow? Sith don't normally use blue lightsabers so maybe he's back.--KnightNapier 02:18, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well it seems that you get to choose your path. It also seems that we might have lightsaber options like 1 lightsaber, 2 lightsaber, etc.--Uasp Erbomee

Netherworld
Could this possibility be the Netherworld of the Force? The trailer and details in the article share important characteristics. Even if you dont have an answer, but an opinion, please feel free to state it! It'll most likely be a while until more useful info on the game is released. --Darth shohet 04:08, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, don't feel free to state your opinions! It is against Wookieepedia regulations. Dr. Kermit ( Complain. ) 04:48, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry! --Darth shohet 15:57, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, it could be the Netherworld. It never officially stated he was on another planet either, in any of the sources. Point being, we do not actually know where Marek is or isn't. --Darth shohet 00:05, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * He could be in Wonderland as far as we know. Why do you have to speculate? Are you expecting some type of award for being right or wrong? Why can't you just wait for LucasArts to release the information? If you want to speculate, go to a forum. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 16:59, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
 * My point was that the article should not state where he is without any source. Since that was fixed, there is no loger any problem. --Darth shohet 03:36, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Your original post and your second post ("Sorry!") tell me that your motive was indeed to discuss speculation rather than what you're claiming now. The article didn't mention anything about the setting at the time of your original post, so I'm not sure what problem you claim had been fixed. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 04:17, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
 * Yes it clearly did at that time. You simply must have missed it. Under Galen Marek's character description, it stated he was on an unknown planet. We did not and do not know where he was in the trailer, let alone whether or not he was on a planet. --Darth shohet 00:57, December 17, 2009 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I didn't read the "character" section. --Michaeldsuarez (Talk) (Deeds) 00:17, December 19, 2009 (UTC)
 * If you pay attention during the trailer, when Galen emerged from the hallway, you can hear (pretty clearly, actually) spectators screaming and cheering at him, which supports his location as being some kind of arena. Whistler 01:18, January 27, 2010 (UTC)

How?
How has he could survive the Battle on Death Star I? Der3000er 10:59, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm sure it'll be explained in the game. Marko14126 14:17, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Maybe someone rebuilt him just like Vader did before. Uasp Erbomee
 * Maybe you should read the talkheader. It clearly states that this talk page is reserved for discussing improvements to the article, not for discussing the subject. -- Xd1358  Talk 15:13, December 13, 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, the TFU2 Starkiller is a clone. Man, LucasArts must love Kaminoans and Spaartians a lot...and Assassin's Creed. What with all these genetic memories stuff...well, at least they know who to copy nowadays. :D Xx19FallenFromGracexx 22:58, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Will "The Force Unleashed II" take place between "A New Hope" and "The Empire Strikes Back"?
Will The Force Unleashed II take place between A New Hope and The Empire Strikes Back? AdamDeanHall 00:29, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * No, according to the press release the game will take place between Episodes III and IV, just like the last game. Xicer9 Atgar.svg( Combadge) 00:37, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

Will there ever be a "The Force Unleashed III"?
Will there ever be a The Force Unleashed III? If so, will it take place between The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi? AdamDeanHall 00:30, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Nobody knows. All the information about TFUII or any potential sequels are either in this article or one of the external links listed in the article. If the information isn't there it doesn't exist. Xicer9 Atgar.svg( Combadge) 00:37, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
 * Please heed to the talkheader. This space is for discussing changes to the article, not for discussion about TFU III. We have a forum for such questions. -- Xd1358  Talk 17:05, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

It would be cool if they did.

Could the "Huge-Beast" be a Tyrant Rancor?
The huge guy could be a Tyrant Rancor. It looks like a massive version of a Bull Rancor and a Tyrant Rancor only has the info "Tyrant rancors were rancors of gargantuan proportions." Any thoughts? --ShadowDragonTam 20:15, December 15, 2009 (UTC)


 * Seems more apeish than a rancor. Uasp Erbomee


 * Perhaps it could be a gargantuan terentatek. Of the tyrant variety. -- nothing 00:04, December 16, 2009
 * It could be anything, but unless it receives a canonical name or designation, we will not even try to guess one. See WP:ATT.  Mauser  Comlink 10:47, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

With the Dark Side in full control of the Galaxy during this era, it is very natural to see a Terentatek return. Perfect way to have one reappear in the SW Universe is to have one in a HD video game such as The Force Unleashed II. 132.32.201.9 07:38, February 18, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, yeah. The extinct Terentatek is going to come back after 4000 years. Please obey the guidelines, and cut out unnecessary speculation. Darth Brain 23:59, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I belive that the "Huge-Beast" is another bull rancor.Darth Doombringer 19:34, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Lets get this straight. We do not know what it is, except that it is currently confirmed to not a be a rancor or any type. The official Facebook page has a picture of it with a caption "Too big to be a Rancor...." Kermit the Frog ( Complain. ) 19:56, April 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Uhm...I'm not sure I just picked the friendliest cantina to step into...but as of the June 2010 issue of GameInformer magazine, it says that the giant Rancor-throwing creature is a "Gorog". Hope that clears up any confusion.Xx19FallenFromGracexx 23:01, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

I'm sory, but how could anyone think that the Gorog is a rancor? That monster could of swollowed 100 rancors whole for a light snack --Lord starkiller the strong 01:12, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

Sam Witwer?
Where is the evidence that Sam Witwer returns as Galen Marek? The source doesn't say anything about it. -TrandoshanMan01 20:33, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * His likeness is used. That's enough to say that he returns for now, since he didn't speak in the trailer, and that's all we have to go on right now.-- LastJedi1515  ( talk )SithEmblemTOR.PNG 21:40, December 18, 2009 (UTC)
 * is it stated anywhere that his likeness is used? the character (though it is fairly obvious it's Galen) looks noticeably different when compared with Galen from TFU Tyranitar 17:50, December 21, 2009 (UTC)
 * If it looks like Galen then it looks like Sam Witwer.-- LastJedi1515  ( talk )SithEmblemTOR.PNG 01:10, January 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * not necersarily, it only looks similar to Galen. It looks a little too 'cartoonish' in the trailer to really resemble Sam Witwer Tyranitar 13:30, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

The press release confirms that it is Galen, so Sam Witwer will portray and voice him. Please cut out the unnecessary speculation. Darth Brain 00:02, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Assumptions
I feel like it is more of a after world something, but to the first comment, he's not a Sith anymore. And I have a feeling that the two lightsabers were just for the roman numerals.

One more thing. At the beginning, there's Yoda's voice saying the death is a natural part of life, which gives the assumption that he died.
 * Please read the template at the top of the page before posting. Assumptions and feelings about the game should not be discussed here, as has been pointed out several times already. Also, post in the appropriate categories, and insert your signature on talk pages. - Nistra Talk 21:51, December 19, 2009 (UTC)

They could have had Yoda say that to emphasize that Galen has broken the natural order of the Force.--DK743 02:14, December 22, 2009 (UTC)

Timeline
Shouldnţt we put the timeline between 2-0 bby?as it's stated that it's the sequel to TFU and that the action it's between revenge of the sith(19BBY) and a new hope(0BBY-0ABY),you just need some basic maths to find the timeline

Not to break the rules but I think he never died on the death star.--Sangheili wunna be 01:06, February 7, 2010 (UTC)

Infinities Timeline
If I'm not mistaken, is this what qualifies as an infinities timeline? I believe the definition of such a thing involves a single event with a pivotal change (i.e. the canon ending of Starkiller choosing to fight the Emperor, rather than joining him and killing Vader).

I'm given to understand that this is what has happened, although I could be mistaken. If it is true, does TFU II qualify? Mad Jax 17:37, March 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * To know that, we would need a litle more than just a trailer and a online statement. Maybe the canon conflicts will be solved by the time the game comes out. We will have to wait. Gulomi Jomesh 17:44, March 28, 2010 (UTC)

I'm guessing no. Anakin was conceived by the will of the Force, so who's to say Galen wasn't resurrected the same way? -- 06:22, March 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * Or the simpler answer and more logical based on the information known is that he wasn't killed. --Revan&#39;s Exile 12:23, March 29, 2010 (UTC)

I have a release date!!!!
According to ign.com, The Force Unleashed 2 video game is to be released New Year's Eve of 2010.Darth Doombringer 19:32, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

The cover
I'm not sure if it's relevent but I noticed on the cover that Galen has chain on his wrists. Maybe he is fighting that huge beast against his will.Green hat 23:25, April 17, 2010 (UTC)Mr.Green hat

Looks like it-Boba fett 32 02:27, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

One question.
Does anyone know for sure what the release date is? New years or October 26th?LordStarkiller1993 05:23, May 1, 2010 (UTC)LordStarkiller1993


 * Well, gamestop.com has the release date as Oct. 26, as does amazon.com. Corellian PremierAll along the watchtower 15:53, May 17, 2010 (UTC)

clone
how do we know galen is cloned? he could have just survieved the blast--Durrf9 17:07, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * Because game magazines have been released with details about the game and they explicitly state he was cloned. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 17:08, May 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Yeah it was in some French magazine apparently. A shame it's true, because it's a silly idea. DarthTyranitar 17:20, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * boo! but there could be a chance he is not they change games and star wars wasen't made in france but in america--Durrf9 21:31, May 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * I don't think the French magazine was trying to claim any credit for the idea, they were just reporting it. DarthTyranitar 21:32, May 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Not to demean publications from other countries or anything, but I would wait until we have something more definitive before we add this information.  OLIOSTER  (talk) 22:28, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
 * GamePro, a US publication, says the exact same thing as Consoles+. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 22:33, May 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well, this is just smurfing retarded. 24.3.90.58 23:17, May 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * well that seems to be the current starwars idea of the last 2 years. elite squadron, Crosscurrent and now TFU:II both deal with cloning jedi Grpeephole303 03:50, May 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * It does not implicitly state that he is a clone. It is implied that he MIGHT be but the gamepro article also said that he was trying to find if he really was a clone... but after the disappointing elite squadron perhaps I am just holding out hope. hopefully they come out with a battlefront 3 soon... -- Anju Vena  KDY.svg‎ ( Nihilus Speak ) 22:50, May 2, 2010 (UTC)


 * I would say as soon as Star Wars Insider releases an issue regarding the game, then you can consider it all to be true. They are the official source for Star Wars knowledge, after all. Have been for years. TheNewDarthMalevlent  If they want war, we'll give 'em war! |undefined 17:21, May 22, 2010 (UTC)


 * It is noted, specifically in the final cinematic, that Garen Marek dies fighting Palpatine and Vader. Cloning is the only real viable option here Darth Ringo 23:10, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

clone article
Should we create an article about the clone or put the information in galens article? Der3000er 18:07, May 3, 2010 (UTC)
 * Keep it in Galen's article, for now. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 18:09, May 3, 2010 (UTC)


 * Well we should definately wait to see if he really is a clone. like with an actual copy of the game. or book. and than depending on how diffrent he is. maybes he is the same galen marek just in a new body ?`Grpeephole303 00:43, May 4, 2010 (UTC)

Wait if it was galen in a different body why would he only get his memories back in an experiment???????????--Darth Nexu 13:11, May 23, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Darth Nexu. If he was the real Galen he would already have the memories from his life. A clone, on the other hand, wouldn't have memories from galen's life unless expiramented on.--SUP3RCHUBBY 19:02, June 1, 2010 (UTC)

Does anyone agree with me and Nexu.--SUP3RCHUBBY

anyone--SUP3RCHUBBY 19:20, June 2, 2010 (UTC)
 * I think that whether or not we agree with you has nothing to do with improvements to the article. Please read the box at the top of the talk page. This talk page is for discussion of the article, not the subject of the article.SinisterSamurai 00:06, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

I know that it might not improve this page but it might create another page.--SUP3RCHUBBY
 * General consensus is that there isn't enough information to confirm that TFUII's main character is a different entity than Galen Marek. We do not create a new page. SinisterSamurai 18:56, June 3, 2010 (UTC)

Ok.--SUP3RCHUBBY


 * There are so much storage capacity in the DNS, that there are some old teories about the DNS storing memories. It is the base of the Dune books. So a clone Galen remembering his non-clone life is not baseless. Or maybe he quicklearned the events of his earlier life, but a psyhical shock (his death) blokked them. The clone of Isard also had hes memories before the cloning. There is no point against Galen being a clone with his original memories. Darth Morrt 17:34, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

promotional shot
Did someone notice that in this shot Galen looks like Ezio of Assassin's Creed II ? Fox357magnum 13:48, May 6, 2010 (UTC)

Your point being... ? 67.162.4.241 15:10, May 6, 2010 (UTC)


 * ... that the shot was based off of, or influenced by, Assassin's Creed II. That is the point he was trying to make. Darth Nordeck 17:07, July 2, 2010 (UTC)

Weather Effects
Should it be in the Gameplay section that the weather effects are improved? I read an article the other week that talks about a short demo on Kamino (some screenshots were shown) and the enhanced weather effects that the game displayed. Darth Tyranitar 14:06, May 22, 2010 (UTC)

Cover/s
They're here, not in very good quality but i'm sure someone will find better. --Vandar Tokare42 (Talk to the hand) 22:05, June 8, 2010 (UTC)

Rahm Kota
We should add Rahm Kota to the "Characters" section of this page. He was confirmed in a flashback on the official site and will be saved from captivity on Cato Neimoidia by Galen Marek. (Confirmed by Official XBOX Magazine) Just thought you would like to know so you can put it on the page. -- Alex Martin Rider 23:13, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

while he was in the trailer as a flashback, that doesnt mean he will make an appearance of any kind. although its likely he will, this isnt the place for likelyhoods or 'maybe' Darth Ringo 23:12, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Walker
Does anyone know the name of that insect-like droid walker from the second trailer?
 * No. Nobody knows anything that wasn't mentioned in the preview. --Imperialles 21:51, June 13, 2010 (UTC)

Concept art points to it being called the Titan. --Triquetra 12:56, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Is it a distinct possiblity it's weapon energy, is similar to the TIEs in the expansion pack- Forces Of Corruption?

Combat style
How is Jar'kai with a reverse shien grip a more realistic style of combat? I train in swords and other weapons and I'm not saying it's not possible, because I've done it. Its just extremely hard. but the single saber shien combat from the first one seems more realistic than this. I don't mean to tick people off but that is just my take on it. jedi_master425

I dont think he actually uses a both-back hand Jar'Kai style in combat. In the E3 trailer he only does that when hes normally running/walking (except he kinda did when he effortlessly kills the hapless stormtrooper in the first room) and fights normally in the last fight in the trailer. Thats what i've seen so far so that my observation FireWing 20:21, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

A few points for jedi_master425: 1) Lightsabers don't work the same way normal swords do; They don't have weight (except the hilts), so it would take virtually no effort to maneuver them, so long as you keep in mind that they cut from any direction. 2) Starkiller is a highly-trained, extremely powerful Force-user, so he could probably do all sorts of things regular humans can't. 3) It's Star Wars, and a video game. It's completely fictional, and not entirely realistic on it's best day (no sound in space, for example), so a little suspension of disbelief isn't a big leap of faith. Don't mean to preach, but I just don't like people who complain about this sort of thing. DeCarta 2:20, July 24, 2010

Yes, DeCarta, I know ALL of this. But you have to remember too that they said MORE REALISTIC and I said it was possible. And lightsaber combat is derived from kendo and fencing. And I wasn't complaining about it I personally think its cool. I was just saying it doesn't seem more realistic than the first one. jedi_master425 11:40, July 24,2010


 * This talk page is for discussing the article itself, not for discussing the subject of the article. So: We don't talk about TFU II here, we talk about ways to improve Wookieepedia's TFU II article, and occasionally to provide proofs/reasons for a particular edit. SinisterSamurai 17:10, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Quote
I think that the quote at the top should be: "Vader can't stop me now" from the Betrayal Cinematic Trailer. What you think? -- Alex Martin Rider 07:27, June 19, 2010 (UTC)

Holodroids
In one of the more recent visions, it shows multiple holodroids which take on the form of (at least one) rebel footsoldier, and, more importantally, juno eclipse. At the moment she is shown the clone galen hits the cloning tank glass with his fist, as vader had said that he must learn to hate what his former self had loved. Shouldn't this, along with more info from the visions, be put into the article, maybe even in a new section, because this vision seemed important, as it generated a physical response from clone marek? 68.48.190.172 03:18, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

Palpatine?
Why does it say "Sam Witwer as Darth Sidious?"

because he voices Palpatine just like he did in the first game

Didn't know that... 98.200.252.109 13:57, June 22, 2010 (UTC)

On a more relevant note, what's the source that Sidious is even in the game? -- Mateo22 Seperatist leadership.jpg Contact 04:55, June 27, 2010 (UTC)

Deak Starkiller
What is Deak Starkiller, and why does the link go to Luke Skywalker?
 * i think it was the first name and concept art of luke skywalker, and sign your comments~. Der3000er 11:14, June 29, 2010 (UTC)
 * This has been addressed. The link now goes to the article about one of the original scripts, which is apparently our only article about the correct Deak Starkiller. SinisterSamurai 17:13, July 24, 2010 (UTC)

Kota and cloning
Uh yeah, the article says that Kota says that Jedi and Sith can't be cloned, did someone just insert that there, or is that real? It doesn't really make much sense when you consider that there have been quite a few Jedi/Sith clonesUltrabountyhunter 07:04, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

It may not make sense but he says that in one of the visions on the force unleashed 2 official website--SUP3RCHUBBY 13:50, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

But we know that jedi and sith can be cloned. I mean palpatine was cloned, Luke was cloned, Jorus C'baoth was cloned, and not to mention the clones Jaden Korr fought. jedi_master425

well thats what he said--SUP3RCHUBBY 18:43, July 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * I think Kota meant that no Jedi or Sith could not be cloned "successfully". Almost every clone created from a Jedi went insane, including Luuke Skywalker and Joruus C'Baoth.  Palpatine's clones can not count because they did not have a mind of their own, they were taken over by Palpatine's "spirit" as soon as they were out of the tank. VadersFist666 20:16, July 7, 2010 (UTC)


 * And in Starkiller's case, hes having memories of a life that the clone didnt live and hes confused, for the very least. However, i have a question regarding that, do u think the orginal Galen's power is decreased in the clone at all? Because i would like to think that it would make sense if it is, even slightly, in that case FireWing 20:26, July 7, 2010 (UTC)

I dont think so because I watched the E3 trailer and he seemned pretty powerful--SUP3RCHUBBY 11:55, July 8, 2010 (UTC)


 * He does so far, but how do we judge his power from graphics in a trailer? I mean Vader looked more powerful than ever before in the beginning of the first one. VhettSkirata Mando'ade  21:20, July 8, 2010 (UTC)

Well all I'm saying is that he didn't seem to be weaker than the origonal.--SUP3RCHUBBY 14:10, July 9, 2010 (UTC) I'd like to note that Joruus C'Boath, Luuke Skywalker, and Palpatine were all either cloned after or kept in hiding until after this game takes place. as far as Kota knows, it's never been done.98.27.213.72 02:42, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

Ok, so he doesn't know about them, fair enough, but what's his basis for assuming that you can't clone Jedi?Ultrabountyhunter 03:23, July 11, 2010 (UTC)
 * The fact it has never been done (at least from knowledge he has) is probably his basis. --67.187.26.29 04:02, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

But its not really much of a basis, is it? You could claim that all of the Roonan Jedi were killed during Order 66 because none of them ever show up, that doesn't make it true.Ultrabountyhunter 08:09, July 11, 2010 (UTC)

subject 1138
On one of the medical entrys (Entry 77 I think) on The Force Unleashed 2 offficial site it says something about a Subject 1138 and I wondered what is Subject 1138?--SUP3RCHUBBY 18:16, July 13, 2010 (UTC)

Subject 1138 is the Galen you play in SWFU2. It is the 1138th clone produced. --Revan&#39;s Exile 04:18, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Clone vs. original Galen Marek
I was watching the newest visions on the TFU2 official site and I had an idea. In the E3 trailer we saw lots of clones of Galen Marek. This made me think that the hooded character in one of the visions is a clone of Galen sent to find Galen.--SUP3RCHUBBY 12:09, July 14, 2010 (UTC)

Reverted edits
I reverted edits yesterday because it seemed to be fanon (and unsourced). In actuality, its information from the Gamestop exclusive content. Although it should definitely not go in the main article, would such information go in the bts? Corellian PremierAll along the watchtower 13:09, July 21, 2010 (UTC)

Maulkiller
Maulkiller is GameStop exclusive in-game skin with silver saber crystal. What He looks like: http://www.gamestop.com/gs/images/bonus/maulKillerPose_bonusLG.jpg Source: http://www.gamestop.com/Catalog/ProductDetails.aspx?Product_ID=78035
 * Maulkiller's story - In the cloning facilities of Kamino, Darth Vader created a warrior of unparalleled strength and power by combining the genetic material of Darth Maul, former apprentice of Sith Lord Darth Sidious, with his own apprentice, Starkiller. The resulting aberrant clone possessed traits from both warriors, but the crude fusion of two disparate Force users quickly produced physical and mental instabilities that led to the unfortunate clone’s destruction. For a brief time he struck fear into the hearts of all who faced him, even Lord Vader himself.
 * Maulkiller's Silver Saber Crystal – The perfect companion to the Maulkiller costume, the silver crystals make his dual lightsabers look like an extension of the silver Zabrac styled tattoos that cover his body and face. This powerful crystal allows the player to consume less Force Energy when using Force Powers so that he can devastate his enemies.