Wookieepedia:AC/Log/2019 January 26

[17:39:29] Welcome to AC Meeting 112. [17:39:37]  Let's get down to business [17:39:42]  to defeat the Huns [17:39:48]  We just going ahead without Tommy? [17:39:50] We will start out with articles from last meeting. [17:40:03]  Tommy signed saying he could not attend. [17:40:08]  Ah fair [17:40:17]  let the guy have a birthday party [17:40:27] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kubindi [17:40:33] https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8009773 [17:40:40] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Kubindi [17:40:59]  Kill. Kill. Kill. [17:40:59] Still has an update tag. [17:41:01] Kill [17:41:03]  kill [17:41:04]  Kill [17:41:09]  what did I even upload the image for? [17:41:11]  kill [17:41:17] Kubindi killed. [17:41:34] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial_Peace-Keeping_Certificate [17:41:39] https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8009777 [17:41:44] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Imperial_Peace-Keeping_Certificate [17:41:48] Still has an update tag. [17:41:54]  Kill [17:41:55]  kill [17:41:55]  for the record, ecks and Tommy votes to kill all the old stuff [17:41:58]  kill [17:42:01] Kill [17:42:05]  simple enough [17:42:24] <Toprawa> Kill. Kill. Kill. [17:42:46] IPKC killed. [17:43:00] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Yevra [17:43:01] <Imperators> contrary to popular belief, Tope *can* kill a single article three times in a single meeting [17:43:06] https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8009778 [17:43:11] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Yevra [17:43:13] No changes. [17:43:17] <Imperators> kill [17:43:18] <Toprawa> My powers have tripled since last meeting, Count [17:43:19] Kill. [17:43:20] <Ayrehead02> kill [17:43:20] <Toprawa> My powers have tripled since last meeting, Count [17:43:22] <MasterFred> kill [17:43:24] <Toprawa> My powers have tripled since last meeting, Count [17:43:26] <Toprawa> Kill. Kill. Kill. [17:43:36] Yevra killed. [17:43:48] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Worlohp [17:43:53] https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8009779 [17:43:57] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Worlohp [17:44:00] No changes. [17:44:04] <Imperators> kill [17:44:06] Kill [17:44:06] <Toprawa> Kill. Kill. Kill. [17:44:07] <Ayrehead02> kill [17:44:35] Fred? [17:44:40] <MasterFred> kill [17:44:41] <MasterFred> sorry [17:44:44] Worlohp killed. [17:44:46] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Peragus_II [17:44:50] https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8009780 [17:44:54] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Peragus_II_(second_review) [17:44:56] No changes. [17:44:59] <Toprawa> Kill. Kill. Kill. [17:45:00] Kill [17:45:00] <Ayrehead02> kill [17:45:05] <Imperators> astrokill [17:45:13] <MasterFred> kill [17:45:23] Peragus II killed. [17:45:45] All right, starting with the new articles: [17:46:36] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kadir_(Tarisian) [17:46:45]    Infobox-exclusive info [17:46:45]    BTS should mention year of release for video game. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 03:25, January 15, 2019 (UTC) [17:46:59] <Toprawa> Probe. [17:47:03] "Therefore, it is unclear whether Revan ever canonically interacts with Kadir, and, if so, the exact form the conversation takes." [17:47:09] This needs to be reworded. [17:47:16] <Imperators> for the record, ecks and Tommy vote to probe all the new stuff [17:47:18] <Imperators> probe [17:47:23] <MasterFred> per EJ [17:47:24] <MasterFred> and probe [17:47:25] <Ayrehead02> Probe [17:47:25] Probe [17:47:36] Kadir (Tarisian) probed. [17:47:50] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Merumeru%27s_battle_staff [17:47:57]    Infobox image needs to be uploaded at higher resolution (take it from the Blu-ray, not the Databank) and a minimum of 400px [17:47:57]    BBY date cannot be sourced to the film. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 03:30, January 15, 2019 (UTC) [17:48:07] <Toprawa> "and was mentioned in The Clone Wars Campaign Guide as a weapon that could be used by players of the Star Wars Roleplaying Game." This is the only thing that even makes this article notable. [17:48:12] <Toprawa> I'd TC it otherwise [17:48:17] <Toprawa> Probe [17:48:23] <Imperators> probe [17:48:32] <Ayrehead02> Probe [17:48:36] <MasterFred> probe [17:48:36] I'm going to have to check on that. [17:48:52] Probe [17:49:07] Merumeru's battle staff probed. [17:49:28] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Fi%27lang [17:49:35]    Infobox image be reuploaded at much sharper, higher resolution, and should be re-cropped to a width of 400px [17:49:35]    New Essential Chronology does not mention the events of this weapon, thus that book cannot be used as a straight source for the 22 BBY date. The extrapolation needs to be explained. [17:49:35]    The episode's air date cannot be sourced to the episode itself. [17:49:35]    Neither can sticker book's publication date, which is unnecessary anyways. Just mention the publication year. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 03:37, January 15, 2019 (UTC) [17:49:38] <Toprawa> Make that "can be uploaded" for the first bullet point [17:49:50] <Toprawa> Probe [17:49:54] <Ayrehead02> Probe [17:49:56] <Imperators> probe [17:50:01] <MasterFred> probe [17:50:02] Probe [17:50:07] Fi'lang probed. [17:50:12] <Ayrehead02> The Infobox shape seems excessive [17:50:24] <Toprawa> Shape? [17:50:35] <Ayrehead02> As in the shape field [17:50:42] <Toprawa> Oh, yeah [17:50:49] <Ayrehead02> "Curved blade with sharpened points at the blade's tip and the inside of the curve" [17:50:52] <Toprawa> I would just call it "Curved blade" or something [17:50:57] <Ayrehead02> Agreed [17:50:57] <Toprawa> Most blades have tips :P [17:51:03] <Imperators> ^ [17:51:13] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ikvizi [17:51:25]    Biography should be subsectioned [17:51:25]    Subsectioned Bio will allow for more quotes if available [17:51:25]    There has to be another image or two to use in the article body [17:51:25]    BTS is not sourced [17:51:25]    Release year for the game in the BTS. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 03:40, January 15, 2019 (UTC) [17:51:40] <Toprawa> Probe [17:51:44] <Imperators> probe [17:51:45] <MasterFred> probe [17:51:45] Probe [17:51:53] <Ayrehead02> Probe [17:52:00] Ikvizi probed. [17:52:10] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Kite [17:52:20]    Infobox-exclusive info [17:52:20]    Would be appropriate to add an Equipment section detailing his armor and any weaponry he uses in the story [17:52:20]    Some of the referencing appears to be problematic: [17:52:20]        It's not clear how Essential Reader's Companion can be used to source the 22 BBY date, since this story does not appear to be mentioned in that book. Moreover, the article for this comic story actually claims its events take place in 21 BBY, sourced to something else. This needs to be evaluated, and ultimately a reference note will be needed to explain whichever date is correct. [17:52:20]        "Kite himself was assigned to the Laudable" is sourced to The Clone Wars: Prelude, but Kite does not appear in that story. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:57, January 15, 2019 (UTC) [17:52:49] <Imperators> probe [17:52:49] <Toprawa> Probe [17:52:56] <Ayrehead02> Probe [17:52:57] Probe [17:52:58] <MasterFred> probe [17:53:01] <MasterFred> that dating mess [17:53:11] Kite probed. [17:53:16] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Torktarak [17:53:25]    4 ABY date cannot be sourced to the Databank entry [17:53:25]    Unsourced BTS [17:53:25]    Format name of Databank entry correctly [17:53:25]    I'd like to see the History subsectioned. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:21, January 16, 2019 (UTC) [17:53:34] <Toprawa> Probe [17:53:35] <Imperators> probe [17:53:45] <Ayrehead02> Probe [17:53:46] <MasterFred> probe [17:53:49] Probe [17:53:53] Torktarak probed. [17:54:10] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Ambush_on_Tatooine_(Darth_Maul) [17:54:19] I've reverted the unsourced addition here, but the intent of the editor was not wrong; the infobox should specify the prior, concurrent, and following event(s). Imperators II(Talk) 11:00, January 16, 2019 (UTC) [17:54:56] <Toprawa> The date ref needs to explain its rationale, since this battle is not mentioned in NEC [17:55:15] <Toprawa> Probe [17:55:17] <Ayrehead02> Duplicate Linking [17:55:20] <Imperators> kill the triple referencing, please [17:55:22] <Ayrehead02> Probe [17:55:32] <MasterFred> def probe [17:55:33] Probe [17:55:33] <Imperators> probe [17:55:50] Ambush on Tatooine (Darth Maul) probed. [17:56:04] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Redeemer/Legends [17:56:12]    BTS unsourced [17:56:12]    Would like to see History subsectioned with additional quotes if available. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:07, January 17, 2019 (UTC) [17:56:40] <Ayrehead02> Probe [17:56:43] <Toprawa> For the record, this is what a correctly sourced TCW-ERC ref note looks like [17:56:52] <Toprawa> Probe [17:56:55] <MasterFred> probe [17:56:58] Probe [17:57:00] <Imperators> probe [17:57:07] Redeemer/Legends probed. [17:57:26] <MasterFred> i can't imagine there wouldn't be any additional quotes [17:57:48] The double negative hurts me. [17:57:52] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bosbit_Matarcher [17:58:00]    BTS unsourced. [17:58:00]    Just remove the "given his own entry in CSWE" sentence. [17:58:00]    Those HNN articles provide no BBY dates of any kind, only GRS. The method that this article is using to extrapolate from GrS to BBY needs to be explained in a reference note. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:15, January 17, 2019 (UTC) [17:58:06] <Imperators> TIME TRAVEL [17:58:08] <Imperators> probe [17:58:10] <Toprawa> Probe [17:58:17] <Ayrehead02> Probe [17:58:18] <MasterFred> probe [17:58:28] probe [17:58:47] Bosbit Matarcher probed. [17:59:01] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bushman_Krentz [17:59:07]    Digify those images. [17:59:07]    BTS unsourced [17:59:07]    Place Bio image in a more natural place with respect to Oasis skin presentation. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:17, January 17, 2019 (UTC) [17:59:29] <Toprawa> It could probably use an Equipment section too [17:59:36] <Toprawa> We do have an article for goggles [17:59:47] <Imperators> probe [17:59:49] <Toprawa> Probe [17:59:53] Probe [17:59:54] <Ayrehead02> Probe [17:59:55] <MasterFred> probe [18:00:09] Bushman Krentz probed. [18:00:15] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Bettie-Bot_VJ [18:00:24]    If "Bettie-Bot VJ" is her nickname (which it is), that's what should be presented in bold in the intro, not framed as the name of the droid model [18:00:24]    Essential Reader's Companion cannot be used as a straight source for the 22 BBY date for these TCW episodes. That needs some kind of reference note to explain how that date is being arrived at. [18:00:24]    The BTS should present the original air date for this TCW episode [18:00:24]    Issues with this sentence: "While a minor character, perhaps the Bettie-Bot's most significant contribution to Star Wars canon is her pronunciation of Mimban": [18:00:24]        Its tone is quite uncharacteristic of the formal encyclopedic tone we strive for in articles. There is a less editorializing way of writing this. [18:00:24]        More to the point, however, that claim is simply wrong. Mimban was mentioned in the Tales of the Jedi audio drama, The New Jedi Order: Agents of Chaos II: Jedi Eclipse, The New Jedi Order: Force Heretic I: Remnant, and The Clone Wars: Wild Space — the last three of which had audiobook adaptations, albeit abridged. The TOTJ audio drama most certainly mentioned this planet and is likely the true firs [18:00:24] t pronunciation, while the others likely mentioned it as well. If there isn't a more practical point to be made in this sentence, it probably just needs to be removed for being erroneous. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:51, January 17, 2019 (UTC) [18:00:52] <Imperators> heh, good point about the first pronunciation [18:00:55] <Imperators> probe [18:00:59] <Toprawa> Probe [18:00:59] <Ayrehead02> Probe [18:01:16] Probe [18:01:20] <MasterFred> probe [18:01:32] Bettie-Bot VJ probed. [18:01:51] Looking in the bin... [18:02:35] <Imperators> I'm not seeing anything [18:02:38] What do we have here: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Vob_Bitas?t=20180909162737 [18:02:38] <Imperators> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/GA_maintenance [18:03:00] <Imperators> five meetings ago :D [18:03:02] <Toprawa> Oh, that was something that got missed in the paperwork from that meeting [18:03:07] <Toprawa> You missed that one, Fred [18:03:11] https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/Vob_Bitas [18:03:16] <Imperators> FRED IS THE PAPERWORK MAN [18:03:18] <Toprawa> I remember finding it [18:03:35] <Toprawa> Kill. Kill. Kill. [18:03:37] Kill [18:03:42] <MasterFred> Oh wow... [18:03:43] <MasterFred> kill [18:03:47] <Imperators> kill again [18:03:54] <Ayrehead02> Kill [18:03:56] <Imperators> let nothing survive [18:04:08] Vob Bitas killed. [18:04:17] Does anyone have any other articles? [18:04:23] <Toprawa> Not I [18:04:30] <MasterFred> Negatory [18:04:31] <Imperators> nope [18:04:40] <Ayrehead02> nothing here [18:04:47] Okay moving on to discussion then. [18:05:06] Tope has something related to the Redux. [18:05:20] <Toprawa> I thought I would propose merging the AC Redux page with the GAN page. [18:05:27] <Toprawa> We did this for FAN already [18:05:39] <Toprawa> Having two pages makes it far more likely we're going to forget about those articles [18:05:52] <MasterFred> I forget always. [18:06:19] Yeah, that makes sense to me. [18:06:20] <Toprawa> Nothing would change in the procedure, we would just run the Reduxed articles on the GAN page -- note that non-ACs would not be allowed to vote on them, however, as Reduxed articles are extensions of the AC meeting [18:06:26] <Imperators> but let us not just copy the Inq page, for that system implements regular uservotes and we probably don't want that [18:06:33] <Toprawa> We would then need to update the instructions page and GAN page [18:06:58] <Toprawa> And yes, as Imperators, points out, the FAN procedure needs to be changed [18:07:09] <Toprawa> That's like allowing regular users to vote on probed articles at the Inqmoot [18:07:21] <MasterFred> ewwwwwww [18:07:53] <Toprawa> So that's all I've got [18:07:55] <Toprawa> We can vote now [18:08:02] <MasterFred> VOTE NOW [18:08:05] <MasterFred> support [18:08:13] support [18:08:16] <Imperators> for the record, ecks and Tommy support [18:08:19] <Imperators> support [18:08:25] <Toprawa> support [18:08:25] <Ayrehead02> Support [18:08:52] All right, the proposal passes. [18:09:04] It looks like Fred has something as well. [18:09:36] <MasterFred> after 50 years of waiting, I'm finally at a meeting to present this. haha [18:09:50] <Imperators> go frd [18:09:50] <MasterFred> I am proposing a reorganization of https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Good_articles [18:10:13] <MasterFred> Currently, OOU articles are listed in a section under the Legends tab. [18:10:20] <MasterFred> This makes no sense, frankly. [18:10:29] <Toprawa> May I point something out? [18:10:31] <Toprawa> Sorry to interrupt [18:10:34] <MasterFred> Real world people are not part of Star Wars Legends. [18:10:39] <MasterFred> Sure [18:10:41] <Toprawa> Because I think what you just said is quite misleading [18:10:47] <Toprawa> OOU articles aren't listed under the Legends tab [18:10:55] <Toprawa> It's that there are no Canon OOU GAs yet [18:11:04] <Toprawa> There would be a Canon OOU section if one ever passed [18:11:14] <Toprawa> I just wanted to say that [18:11:15] <Toprawa> Go ahead [18:11:27] <MasterFred> Oh, fair enough. [18:11:53] <MasterFred> But we do currently lump people into that section as well. I propose we create an OOU tab. [18:12:12] <MasterFred> I have created two mock pages to demonstrate the two different ways I could see us going about this. [18:12:25] <MasterFred> I'll post a link with a description for each. [18:12:36] <MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User:Master_Fredcerique/GA1#Out%20of%20universe [18:13:22] <MasterFred> This version places every OOU article under the new OOU tab, with subsection for Legends and Canon for media that is specific to a certain continuity. [18:13:38] <MasterFred> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/User%3AMaster_Fredcerique/GA2#Out%20of%20universe [18:14:27] <MasterFred> This version places only the articles that are not specific to a continuity, such as music and people, into the OOU tab, with Legends and Canon media remaining in OOU section under those respective tabs. [18:14:54] <MasterFred> You guys can take a few seconds to look over the two and offer any input. [18:15:30] <Toprawa> You could argue that music is potentially specific to one continuity, though [18:15:34] <Imperators> ^ [18:15:38] <Toprawa> Shmi's theme doesn't appear in any Legends works, for example [18:15:44] <Toprawa> Though other do, of course [18:15:48] <Toprawa> others* [18:16:06] <MasterFred> True, but the films are also part of Legends. [18:16:11] <Toprawa> Not officially [18:16:18] <Ayrehead02> So things that are both canon and legends would default to canon? [18:16:20] <Toprawa> That's Wookieepedia's system [18:16:32] <Toprawa> Lucasfilm doesn't formally consider the films part of Legends [18:16:45] <MasterFred> That's true. [18:17:05] <Ayrehead02> True [18:17:13] <Ayrehead02> I think I'd probably go for A [18:17:13] <MasterFred> Ayrehead: I would say most likely, yeah. [18:17:20] <Toprawa> I'm reluctant to do this, but I grant that real-world people are sort of the pinch point [18:17:33] <MasterFred> The vote, btw, would be GA1, GA2, or no change. [18:17:39] <Toprawa> It's sort of strange to list people under one or both of Canon and Legends [18:17:47] <Imperators> Option 1 all the way [18:18:00] <Imperators> for the record, Tommy votes Option 1 also [18:18:00] <MasterFred> That was the main reason I thought of this, Tope. [18:18:05] <Ayrehead02> Declaring a person non-canon doesn't seem within are remit :P [18:18:05] <Tommy-Macaroni> Oh sorry guys you started early [18:18:11] <Tommy-Macaroni> I’m in spoons [18:18:13] <Tommy-Macaroni> Have fun [18:18:17] <MasterFred> That and my music articles. [18:18:27] * MasterFred hugs his precious music articles. [18:18:34] <Toprawa> I could argue that music could go under one or both, but that too is sort of weird to divide them up [18:18:54] <Imperators> I prefer Option 1, btw, because it just seems more practical. Keep everything in one place, the less tab-switching, the better [18:18:58] <MasterFred> I'm partial to Option 1, just because I like the idea of the other two tabs being IU only. [18:19:02] * Tommy-Macaroni is now known as Tommy_is_away [18:19:06] <Imperators> per fred [18:19:20] <Toprawa> Another thing I would point out is that I think the sectioning like you did in Option 1 promotes participation, like people see these sections and may feel encouraged to help populate them [18:19:33] <Toprawa> This was partly my rationale for how I divided the Events section of the Legends tab [18:19:43] <Imperators> good point [18:19:55] <MasterFred> Absolutely. I didn't think f that when making them, but I noticed after I saved. [18:20:08] <MasterFred> They look barren, so people might be prompted to fix that. [18:20:22] <Imperators> prepare your OOU noms, people [18:20:26] <Toprawa> Ok, you've swayed me for Option 1 [18:20:39] <MasterFred> Shall we make our votes official? :D [18:20:48] <Imperators> ACs, prepare for an influx of OOU noms :P [18:20:49] <MasterFred> Option 1, Option 2, or no change. [18:20:57] <MasterFred> Option 1 [18:21:00] <Imperators> Option 1 [18:21:03] <Imperators> Tommy Option 1 [18:21:03] <Ayrehead02> Option 1 [18:21:05] <Toprawa> Option 1 [18:21:06] Option 1 [18:21:25] Okay, it looks like Option 1 passes. [18:21:31] Anything else? [18:21:39] <MasterFred> Nothing from me. [18:21:47] <Imperators> nope [18:21:51] <Ayrehead02> Nope [18:22:05] <Toprawa> We could do the next round of meeting duties [18:22:11] <Toprawa> It's ending at 113 on the table [18:22:14] <Toprawa> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:AC/AC_Bylaws [18:22:25] <Toprawa> Or we could wait till next time [18:22:27] <Toprawa> Whatev :p [18:22:30] <Imperators> do you have a randomizer at hand, Tope? [18:22:34] <Toprawa> I do [18:22:39] <MasterFred> Give Tommy everything while he's away [18:22:43] Let's go ahead and do it. [18:22:47] <Toprawa> Ok, one moment [18:23:16] <Toprawa> Beginning with Meeting 114, this is the meeting scheduling order: [18:23:17] <Imperators> Come on, fred, let's not be irresponsible. We have to give ecks something, too. [18:23:18] <MasterFred> drumroll [18:23:24] <Toprawa> Ayrehead02 [18:23:25] <Toprawa> Master Fredcerique [18:23:25] <Toprawa> Toprawa and Ralltiir* [18:23:25] <Toprawa> Xd1358* [18:23:25] <Toprawa> Imperators II* [18:23:25] <Toprawa> Exiledjedi* [18:23:27] <Toprawa> Tommy-Macaroni [18:23:33] <Toprawa> And beginning with Meeting 114, the paperwork order: [18:23:39] <Toprawa> Master Fredcerique [18:23:39] <Toprawa> Imperators II* [18:23:39] <Toprawa> Toprawa and Ralltiir* [18:23:39] <Toprawa> Tommy-Macaroni [18:23:39] <Toprawa> Xd1358* [18:23:41] <Toprawa> Exiledjedi* [18:23:43] <Toprawa> Ayrehead02 [18:24:03] <MasterFred> Beautiful. [18:24:22] This meeting I'm on paperwork and Tommy schedules meeting 113. [18:24:34] <Imperators> is that Tommy's first? [18:24:38] <Toprawa> Yes [18:24:40] <Imperators> nice [18:25:03] Thanks for attending, everyone. [18:25:04] <Imperators> thanks for hosting, EJ [18:25:07] <Imperators> good job [18:25:10] <Toprawa> Thanks, EJ [18:25:12] <MasterFred> Great job hosting, EJ. [18:25:17] No problem. [18:25:22] <MasterFred> Very productive and timely. haha [18:25:36] <Ayrehead02> Thanks EJ