Talk:Great Jedi Purge

Known survivors of Order 66

 * Order 66 wasn't the only part of the Purge, just its official start. It might make more sense to title that subsection simply "Known survivors", to keep in consideration those who escape the entire escapade. --SparqMan 18:37, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree. Fixed, by the way. --Imperialles 18:43, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Was Morgan Katarn a Jedi? I was under the impression he was just a Rebel sympathizer whose son Kyle became a Jedi.  Silly Dan 19:29, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, my mistake. --Imperialles 19:30, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Quinulan Vos did survive. I read yhe summary of Republic 83 and he was alive. I am putting him on the survivor list--wattamb2000

Wikipedia entry
Some good content here. A list of recorded deaths might be good if it includes some details (where, as part of Order 66, by Vader, etc.) --SparqMan 18:45, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * While I admit it looks good, it's a little pointless, seeing as we then would have to list all Jedi killed during the Purge... --Imperialles 18:47, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I suggested something similar on the Order 66 page *shrug* --Fade 18:49, 29 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I didn't like the idea then because it would be incomplete, but after seeing it done there, I think it would help the article. It also needs more details on Vader's post-Order 66 hunts. --SparqMan 18:52, 29 May 2005 (UTC)

Alpha
I had put Ood Bnar in the "O" section because it didn't seem that Bnar was a surname, but a part of his whole name. --SparqMan 13:22, 31 May 2005 (UTC)

Known Victims

 * Um there is some major problems with this list. For one, some of these Jedi may not have been actually killed at all. Second, if they were killed, it was definately not in the way stated here. For example, A'Sharad Hett was at Salecumai while the Temple was raided. QuentinGeorge 22:26, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Jocasta? Bultar? Killied? And, who is this Norogald Jedi?--wattamb2000
 * Jocasta was killed by Vader defending the Jedi Archives, at least according to the RotS video game. While I as a rule don't accept stuff from games off hand, this makes sense, and IMO should be treated as canon until something of a higher canonical order says otherwise. --Jad Jermain
 * Ferus Olin may well die during the Purge. Depends on the outcome of his duel with Malorum in The Last of the Jedi: Death on Naboo
 * Accoding to the actress who played Aayla Secura, in an brife interview reported on the Force.net, her character didn't die in RotS. Since the interview took place after filming was compleated, it would seem she knows something we don't (the allusion in the artical being Aayla Secura would show up in the live action TV serise). Considering that Aayla Secura's injuries, while crtical, were not explictly fatal, the possability that Aayla Secura survived Order 66 should be considered. To this end, I added the modifier "ostensibly" to her entry to recognize that there is some ambiguity to her fate. It was removed in a later update, but I think it should be there until it can be stated with certainty Secura was a victim of Order 66. --Jad Jermain
 * Is the victims section for major characters only? as I could add one or two other names otherwise, seems to me it would be interesting to ave a list of all jedi killed in the purge HavetStorm 19:01, 29 Dec 2005 (UTC)

A little rewording
I did some rewording of the second and third paragraphs. The original article wasn't specific about the fact that Anakin and Darth Vader were the same person, nor did it even mention that Anakin fell to the Dark Side. I know we as Star Wars fans tend to take for granted that people already know that, but it still seemed a glaring omission, so I corrected it.

Also I mentioned that Palpatine created the fiction that the Jedi were trying to overthrow the Republic, and used his story to justify (both to Vader and to the public) the destruction of the Jedi. Ekedolphin 08:31, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)

*Did* Obi-Wan survive it?
The article states that the Great Jedi Purge started in 18 BBY and ended in 0 BBY with the "death of Obi-Wan Kenobi and emergence of Luke Skywalker". It could be argued that Obi-Wan was, in fact, ultimately a victim of the Jedi Purge, 18 years after it started-- since that act was committed by Vader, who was mainly responsible for carrying out the Purge. Thoughts? Ekedolphin 08:31, 7 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, in a way, he is both a survivor and a victim. We could have it by having his name in both the "Survivors" and "Victims" sub-catagories. All we need to do is add that information I had put next to his name in both catagories. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 12:06, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Nearly every source puts Kenobi as a survivor of the Purge. So, technically, it ends just *before* his death. QuentinGeorge 12:21, 22 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * There's also the idea that because he found and confronted Vader in the Death Star and Vader didn't find and kill Obi-Wan while he was hiding, that Obi-Wan did in fact survive the "Purge."Astrobot 17:57, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * The Wikipedia article divides the survivors into people who survive Episode 3 and people who outlive the Empire.-LtNOWIS


 * Okay, then. I'm going to removed Obi-Wan's name from the survival section. He died at the hands of Darth Vader in 0 BBY, so he didn't outlive the Empire. But Yoda, he died of old age, therefore he survived the Purge. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 12:00, 18 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I've done the reverse, since every source states Obi-Wan is a survivor. QuentinGeorge 02:40, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)
 * Why? HE DIED AT THE HANDS OF VADER IN 0 BBY. That's enough proof that he DIDN'T survive. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 16:10, 21 Sep 2005 (EDT)
 * Every source says that Obi-Wan is a survivor of the Purge. Period. QuentinGeorge 20:42, 21 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Still, you don't get the point. He died during the Purge at Vader's hands. Originally, I had said that the Purge ended before his death, but as it says above, there is a section on Wikipedia that says those who outlive the Galactic Empire. Clearly, Obi-Wan didn't survive the Empire. He was a victim of the Purge because Vader had killed him like many others. So, I am going to revert it to the way having Obi-Wan as a victim. Unless, we put his name in both sections like I had before and note that this his survival/non-survival is disputed. There's really no other way, unless we want to start an edit war like with Palpatine, locking the page, and making it the discission of a sole vote. Until we come to a truce, I won't revert it. So, do we have a deal? Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:25, 21 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I say have him as both survivor and non-survivor. --Master Starkeiller 14:29, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Still waiting for your answer, QuentinGeorge. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:10, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * What? My answer was that every source clearly define Obi-Wan as one of the few Jedi to survive the Purge. He is a survivor. The movies and the EU both say this. Period. And Darth Vader didn't *actually* kill him - Obi-Wan turned into a force spirit before the blade touches him.
 * PS Yoda didn't survive the Empire either - neither did most of the Jedi on that "survivor" list.   Being "killed" by Vader and being a victim of the "purge" aren't the same things. QuentinGeorge 20:47, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * From the databank - The Jedi were branded as enemies of the state. Palpatine's new Sith apprentice, Darth Vader, razed the Jedi Temple in a nighttime attack carried out by loyal clones. As the Empire came to power, the Jedi were all but extinct. A few survivors, Obi-Wan Kenobi and the Jedi Master Yoda, were able to train the first new Jedi in a generation. QuentinGeorge 20:49, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, you're wrong about one thing: When Vader killed him, did he not become A VICTIM of the Jedi Purge? When a Jedi is killed by Vader any time between 19 BBY and 4 ABY, that Jedi becomes a victim of the Purge. Plus, you completely destroyed my attempt to come to a truce. All you are doing is saying, quote, "This is ridiculous". Well, Mr. I'm-so-right, I don't see any creative ways of fixing this mess coming from you. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:41, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * You might want to stop taking things so personally. If I edit your work, I'm not making a personal comment, I'm merely trying to correct the article. From what I'm now finding in various EU sources, the Purge was well over by 1 BBY, so any Jedi still alive by then can be considered to have "survived". "The Purge" wasn't just Darth Vader killing Jedi, it refers to a specific period of history where the hunt was systematic. QuentinGeorge 06:36, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I should note now after my changes that the article is now consistent, as: 1) Obi-Wan is on the survivors list, where we also had people who died BEFORE him. 2) The date has it ending the same year as the GCW starts, just as we have described in the text. QuentinGeorge 06:42, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Okay, I admit that I overreacted. I apologize. In fact, the way you have it now is actually better. Let's just forget all about this now. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:04, 23 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Jerec and Jorus?
Jerec didn't become go Dark until after the Purge had began, as he'd missed out on the Clone Wars entirely while off doing arcehology somewhere. Should he be included? Also, wasn't the original Jorus C'Baoth, not the Clone, said to have served the Emperor at some point? I was thinking perhaps he could be listed as a possible survivor. -CBR2345
 * Jorus C'Baoth was the special Jedi Advisor to Senator Palpatine. Also, he was killed when Thrawn attacked the Outbound Flight. -- SFH 16:37, 29 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Ferus Olin

 * Can Ferus be called a survivor of the Purge? There is a very big possiblity that he'll die in The Last of the Jedi series. He should be moved to the "Fates Unknown" list. Novajoe23 01:34, 22 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, as of now, he's a survivor, but a quote from #2 ("I lie in your destiny" from Darth Vader) makes me think that he gets killed off. So, it would be best for the move. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 21:20, 22 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I think that as long as he is known to be a survivor, he should be listed as such. Once the series confirms him as killed, however, he should be moved. - Angel Blue 451 19:54, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, he should be in "Fates Unknown", since his fate is currently unknown. Admiral J. Nebulax 21:06, 19 Dec 2005 (UTC)