Forum:CT Archive/Naming conventions: Stage names?

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Joh Yowza's been moved back and forth a couple of times. Bearing in mind that our current guidelines state that we should use the "most commonly known name in universe, sans titles, with later names preferred to earlier names, and full names preferred to partial names or nicknames.", and that we have interpreted this to use Mon Calamari (planet) rather than Dac, Greivous rather than Qymaean jai Sheelal, but Mitth'raw'nuruodo rather than Thrawn, the questions are:


 * 1) Is Joh Yowza merely a short form of his original name?  I say it isn't.
 * 2) Is a stage name a legitimate full name, or is it merely a alias?  As I said on the talk page, "Short of finding the guy's landspeeder operation license or musician's union card, the fact that everyone calls him Joh Yowza is proof enough for me that he adopted the new name."
 * 3) If and only if people think we should move the article back (and it was 4-1 for Joh Yowza up until Rod's move), does this mean that all characters who end up almost exclusively using a stage name or other alias that could be interpreted as a full name should be moved?
 * For that matter, are there examples other than Max Rebo?
 * If Yowza's a special case, why? Is it only because his real name is obscure and impossible to spell?

Comments? &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 01:46, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

Comments part 1

 * You shouldn't bother, If it re-derects from Joh Yowza, people looking forhim will end up there any way. Same thing with Jabba the Hutt and other long namers. I can't pronounce Jabba's real name. It really doesn't matter. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg ( Rancor pit ) [[Image:Grappa's Tattoo.jpg|20px]] 01:59, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say the fact that his name is impossible to spell is reason enough! But, seriously, if everyone calls him Joh Yowza then I feel that is where it should stay. I doubt anyone in-universe would call him by his birth name, as they would probably struggle to figure out how to pronounce it. And if anyone was particularly looking for Joh Yowsa on wikipedia, they are going to be looking for Joh Yowsa, not J'ywz'gnk Kchhllbrxcstk Et'nrmdndlcvtbrx. Just my thoughts. -- beeurd  talk 02:02, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * On our last discussion, it was pointed out that redirects take care of people looking for Joh Yowza on Wookieepedia and getting J'etewh'ethijbqri Wereioie Reirjjxblz Jr. However, having the main article appear at Joh Yowza helps people off-wiki find our wiki's article in the first place, and makes it easier for editors to avoid redirects. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:05, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Obviously, I support having it at Joh Yowza. Think about Cher or Elton John. How many people know them by their real names? Joh Yowza is no different. It's a stage name that was adopted because it was more easily pronounceable and memorable. Any galactic citizen who has heard of this guy would know him by Joh Yowza, not J'ywz'gnk Kchhllbrxcstk Et'nrmdndlcvtbrx. -- Ozzel 02:08, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * We could interprit Joh Yowsa as a nickname and call the article J'ywz'gnk "Joh Yowsa" Kchhllbrxcstk Et'nrmdndlcvtbrx, although it would probably be breaking some Wookieepedia standard. Article titles would probably be more useful with nicknames in them for the purpose of searching; I think people get that if it's in quotes, its a nickname.  I haven't thought about it much, but a comprehensive reformat might be something to look into.  You could make Ozzel's same argument for Hobbie or Dutch or anyone else.  Isn't the current improvement drive, Winter, really just a nickname? – Brynn Alastayr 02:26, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No, she's actually named Winter. (I think her parents were Alderaanian artists, i.e. hippies.  8) ) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:29, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * LOL, I've always been skeptical, especially since she doesn't seem to have a last name and comes from a culture that uses them. Thanks for the clarification. – Brynn Alastayr 07:07, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * No, Think about Meat Loaf, on wikipedia, he's listed as Meat Loaf. You know what, keep his shorter name. -- Jabbathehuttgartogg ( Rancor pit ) [[Image:Grappa's Tattoo.jpg|20px]] 02:10, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The full name looks like a monkey was let loose on the keyboard (though not long enough to recreate Shakespeare, obviously). The short name's better. Green tentacle 10:31, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * So... time for a vote yet? -- Ozzel 23:32, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay. Please add new options and further comments below.  Since I'm splitting the "move to Joh Yowza" up, note that a combined majority from both of them means we should move it back. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 23:50, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I must again cite Roche, Jabba, and the rest of the band members. And most Hutt crimelords. And maybe even some rebel pilots who were best known by their callsign. It's a toss-up between keeping Mr. Et'nrmdndlcvtbrx where he is, or moving everything else I mentioned to fit in. Choose *ominous drum music* Rodtheanimegod4ever 02:13, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, and I need to drop this bomb, too. If we're going by how many people know them as what, I must bring up all the Yuzzum who most likely know him better as Joozgahoozizsmittywerbenjagermanjensenhorowitz. Rodtheanimegod4ever 02:33, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The difference between Jabba and Thrawn on one hand, and Joh Yowza and Max Rebo on the other, is that the first two have common names which are short forms of their full names, while Max and Joh seem to have adopted completely new names. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 02:38, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Again, he's a musician. Yes, there are a hundful of Yuzzums back on Endor who know him by the long name, but everyone in the galaxy who knows of him through his music would know him only as Joh Yowza. -- Ozzel 19:03, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think we can reasonably assume that in these cases, individuals have adopted completely new names, giving us justification under the "with later names preferred to earlier names" clause. In that sense, it isn't really precedent, but just interpretation. – Brynn Alastayr 19:33, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Keep at J'ywz'gnk Kchhllbrxcstk Et'nrmdndlcvtbrx

 * 1) Rodtheanimegod4ever 02:13, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) With a redirect from Joh Yowza. Emperor Ugluk 16:04, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 3)  Darth Culator  (Talk) 19:30, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Imp 13:05, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Move to Joh Yowza, but treat this as a special case
(You may want to explain why you think he should be a special case here.)

Move to Joh Yowza, and treat this as a precedent

 * 1) (This means Max Rebo, Droopy McCool, and similar cases could be moved to their more familliar stage name.)&mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 23:50, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) --  beeurd  talk 00:33, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 3) Ozzel 00:58, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Green tentacle 08:20, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 5) Brynn Alastayr 19:33, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) Azizlight 13:02, 4 October 2006 (UTC)

Comments part 2
Another reason to keep Joh Yowza at Joh Yowza: there are two separate gibberish spellings Yuzzum transliterations of his name: J'ywz'gnk Kchhlbrxcstk Et'nrmdndlcvtbrx and J'ywz'gnk Kchhllbrxcstk Et'nrmdndlcvtbrx. I don't think we have enough information to know which variant is supposed to be correct. 8) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 16:14, 1 October 2006 (UTC)