Talk:EF76 Nebulon-B escort frigate/Legends

Is this ship not called a Nebulon-B Star Cruiser? --Kosure 00:58, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Most sources refer to it was the "Nebulon B-class Escort Frigate" and others asa "Nebulon B Escort Frigate" without any class demarkation. The DK Cross section books seem to be taking priority over all things logical these days, and I'm not sure what it refers to them as. --SparqMan 01:06, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I always just called it a "Nebulon-B Frigate." I probably call it that because of SWCCG . The Databank seems pretty sure that this is a frigate as well, although it does mention them being informally referred to as "Rebel cruisers." I'm sure you can tell I'm no expert; just offering what I do know. -- Aidje 01:28, 3 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Theres an articled that calls it a cruiser. Does that need to be changed? --Kosure 01:38, 3 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Psyche, Im totally retarded, Sorry. --Kosure 01:41, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Is there any way to remove that HUGE gap between the first 3 paragraphs and the last two? I've noticed that other articles with big data boxes don't have this. JimRaynor55 00:07, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Starfighters
I always found it odd that WEG supported the X-wing games' decision to give the Nebulon-B 24 starfighters. How they stored them has always been beyond me. Obviously it's supported by canon sources, so it's fine, but how no one ever said "Where will they fit?" seems odd. --SparqMan 22:29, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * It is odd that such a small, and especially THIN ship is supposed to fit 24 fighters. Curtis Saxton even pointed this out on his site.  WEG actually did have a picture showing that it was possible to fit 24 TIE/ln ships on one of those typically cramped TIE racks the Empire uses.  For larger, more traditional fighters like the X-wing, I have my doubts.  We could perhaps point this out in a Behind the Scenes section. JimRaynor55 22:38, 11 May 2005 (UTC)
 * In ROTJ, there´s a shot of a Nebulon-B that appears gigantic compared to a CR-90 corvette next to it. To solve this FX error, Lucasbooks came up with the term "Nebulon-B Carrier", a ship many times bigger than a regular Nebulon-B. This ship could also carry the number of Rebel fighters more easily than the regular ones. Don´t know if that helps. There´s also a similar sized carrier in one of the issues of SW:Empire. VT-16 17:05, 18 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Didn't someone at SD.net do an analysis of this problem, with pretty pictures?--Eion 01:09, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Added Behind the Scenes commentary. The RASB says nothing about internal hangars, and there is plenty of precendent for an external rack. If there are specific references to internal bays, most of them could probably be taken care of by imagining a variant with an aftermarket hangar pod added....--McEwok 15:03, 20 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I thought that they came standard with internal hangar bays as well as external racks for docking (like with the Falcon). Cmdr. J. Nebulax 15:07, 20 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Not according to the movies -WarHawk it could
 * Okay, I've known that for a while now. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:02, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

what i find odd is that most articles say a certain number of ships but they dont say HOW BIG it is so i agree it might hold 24 TIES but other starfighters might be hard to fit inside its hanger but it could still have 24 fighters onboard but just with the bigger ones on the external racks becuase an A wing is not the same as a Y wing or K wing, so i think they should say what kind of fighters and then how many of those not just a number and say that all fighters are the same size(Boommer3 23:52, 7 September 2006 (UTC))
 * First: Please don't restart old topics. Second: Usually, the type of fighters aren't given. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:04, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

also i think that the hanger is in the rear section of the ship while most of the weaponsare located int the forward part of the ship(Boommer3 00:24, 8 September 2006 (UTC))
 * Source? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:28, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

The WEG scenario book 'Far Orbit Project' has mostly complete deckplans for the Nebulon-B: Deck 5, the upper level of the hangerbay, depicts 25 TIE racks [one is designated "repair rack"]. Perhaps once the TIE racks have been removed others fighters could be mounted instead on wall brackets? The Bay entrance would appear to on the right side of the ship. Below this on Deck 8 is a small shuttle bay designated "docking bay 1", entrance directly faces back. Both of these are in the forward command section btw. In the rear engineering section on Deck 7 is a second slightly larger bay designated "docking bay 2", entrance directly faces forward. So I guess the two docking bays can see one another. Two docking tubes are shown on the connecting spar between the ship. KentAllard 06:11, 6 October 2006 (UTC)

"Fanon junk"
I think those stats were actually from the SW:RPG, as Katarn and Grek class ships are in the RPG, and I find those same words echoed on numerous RPG stat repeater sites.--Eion 02:00, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Confirmed; from page 31 of The Far Orbit Project: "The Far Orbit had several shuttles in its craft compliment; most of these were used to put off loyalist crew or ship jumpers. The remaining two shuttles were retained for their suitability in boarding actions.  Both the Grek-class troop shuttle and Katarn-class boarding shuttle are in good repair and have full consumables pods at the beginning of the campaign."  JSarek 02:18, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Oookay. A search for "Grek-class" mostly turns up "RPG stat repeater sites" that are chockful of fanon favorites. Sorry about that. Regardless, that section of the infobox is titled "cargo capacity" -- clearly the ship's capacity is not only 24 TIE Fighters, but any 24 starfighters of reasonable size. So while some ships may have carried "several" of those particular shuttles (not exactly a useful count -- 2 of each seems to be what most of the RPG site agree upon), the infobox would be better suited to say "24 starfighters, 4 support shuttles", and then explain the variation of loadouts used by Imperials, Rebels, etc. --SparqMan 03:39, 3 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Did The Far Orbit Project claim that standard Nebulon-Bs had these shuttles, or was this just what the Far Orbit had? I don't think they should be listed unless they're stated as part of the standard complement.

Nebulon B2 as a separate topic?
Shouldn't the Nebulon B2 frigate be in its own separate article? After all, they are two different frigates although the B2 was a modified version of the original Nebulon B. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:20, 31 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * So? Cmdr. J. Nebulax 15:03, 20 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Name
Is there a known origin to the B? I think I read something that it is because it was supposed to counter the B-wing.

Hanger
Does anybody have a picture of the (possible) Nebulon-B with an external hanger mounted on the spar? 68.47.234.131 02:17, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, I'd like to see one as well. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:29, 10 March 2006 (UTC)
 * IF and one is looking for somewere to get a shot from use Rogue Squadren 2 Its featured as haveing one in the 2nd mission (I would but I don't have the equipment to do so) DX-2052 00:55, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Could someone upload it? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:05, 21 June 2006 (UTC)

Crew
How can a ship this small hold cabins for 991 crew members and consumibles for to years of space travel?user:Lucky
 * How is this small? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 17:14, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * IIRC, Nimitz-class aircraft carriers are around 300 meters long and have over 5000 crew. -Vermilion 21:15, 18 March 2006 (UTC)

That could also be caused by the greater mass of the carrier, and if I recall correctly, it has a crew of 3,200.

The Nebulon-B Frigate looks lighter, and doesn't have as many decks.
 * Well, if there's a canon source for cabins for 991 crew members and consumables for two years of space travel, that's all we need. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:57, 22 April 2006 (UTC)

EF76?

 * What source actually says that EF76 is part of the ship's designation? It doesn't show up in any book I know. I vaguely remember EF76 from the game TIE Fighter, but I'm not sure if it was referring to Nebulon-Bs in general, rather than a specific ship. JimRaynor55 00:08, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I believe that I've seen it in the ship's name somewhere. Don't take my word for it, though. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:11, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Going by the Galactic Empire Databank, he got his stats for the EF76 Neb from WEG or TIE fighter (the game) or X-wing vs. TIE fighter (also the game). VT-16 12:43, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it was probably referring to Nebulon-Bs in TIE Fighter, then. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 13:15, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Out of the sources I have on hand, Star Wars Technical Journal (Volume Three) and Starships of the Galaxy both state the EF76 designation. CUSWE lists Star Wars Screen Entertainment as their source for it, but I haven't personally had a copy of that since some time in 1996. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  13:57, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 15:55, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

batteries?
What is a turbolaser battery or a laser cannon battery? Does it comprise 4 cannons? Or 8? Or 12? Does the term "12 turbolaser batteries" mean the frigate has 48 turbolaser cannons? Or 144? "I went out and bought Starships of the Galaxy and loved it. In it, however, I found something that didn't make sense. The weapon listings for capital ships under firing arcs have "batteries," but there's no mention of what batteries are in the book. The Bothan Assault Cruiser has 24 heavy double turbolaser cannons (1 front, 2 right, 2 left, 1 rear). How many guns are in a battery? I'm guessing each battery has 4 cannons, which would mean that the left and right arcs have 8 each, while the front and back arcs have 4. I'm asking because I'm a stickler for stats. I'm sure there are a few GMs out there asking the same thing."
 * A turbolaser battery is just a turbolaser. If it had more turbolasers than one, for example, say four, it would be a quad turbolaser battery. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:04, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * A battery is either 5 or 6 cannons joined into one, according to the roleplaying game who made it up. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 14:16, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I never did like the roleplaying game, so that's why I didn't know. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:04, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * By definition, a 'battery' for a ship consists of 2, 3, or 4 guns on a single massive turret.
 * Unfortunately, Star Wars has different definitions for many things. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:31, 11 May 2006 (UTC)
 * No. A quadlaser has four barrels aligned in a square. A battery is just like rl ship batteries, with multiple guns side-by-side on one turret. The ISD-IIs have 8 per battery on their largest guns. VT-16 11:28, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Shows what I know... Oh well. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:29, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * So the question still remains, how many actual barrels in a Taim&Bak XI7 battery. Darth Culator 12:58, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, it could be what a real-life battery is. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:12, 12 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, if no other source expounds on this weapon, assume the English language is still in effect, and go with the common rl ship batteries. (I know there's many different types, but just give a wikipedia-link ;).)VT-16 13:35, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * From the "Force Feedback" section in Star Wars Gamer 9.

- Richard Herman

"According to Chapter 11: Starships of the core rulebook, a weapon battery is a group of up to five identical weapons that fire as one. Each individual weapon after the first adds +1 to the attack roll, up to a maximum of +4. If the attack hits, roll damage as if only one weapon hit. The Bothan Assault Cruiser has (you guessed it) six 4-cannon batteries. In general, each battery should be treated as one weapon for game purposes"

- Michael Mikaelian, Managing Editor

"Most capital ships have weapons grouped in batteries. These weapons are designed to fill an area of space with swaths of blaster fire. A battery is usually a group of up to five identical weapons that fire as one (using a single attack roll to determine success)."
 * So, there's a possibility of up to five guns per battery, then? VT-16 14:13, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * That would seem to be correct, yes. It's taken a bit longer to find my copy of the Core Rulebook, but here's what it says too, which seems to imply that it's possible for there to be ships with a greater number of weapons joined together in a battery, but it's not the norm.

- Revised Core Rulebook, page 214


 * I'm confused now... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 15:20, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Really? Because it seems straight-forward enough. Batteries go from 2 to 5 guns per battery. Since we don't know what's the amount here, we'll just have to put (2-5 guns per battery) in the infobox or something. VT-16 16:28, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, now I get it. ;) Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:10, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I actually don't think the WEG writers knew what the heck they were talking about most of the time when they used the term "batteries." Across many WEG and old EU books, they seemed to use "battery" interchangeably with a single gun. For example, one book might say that an ISD has 60 turbolaser batteries, while another will say that an ISD has 60 turbolasers. Starships of the Galaxy actually did a good job of clearing up this mess. It said that the weapon numbers that everyone knew for years were for single weapons (for example the ISD II has 50 turbolasers and 50 heavy turbolasers), and then it described the number of batteries these weapons were grouped in, and how many batteries could fire in each arc. Unfortunately it didn't say how many guns were in each battery, and it still repeated the incorrect stats from WEG instead of following the G-canon models.  Therefore, the Nebulon-B has 12 laser cannons and 12 turbolasers arranged in an uknown number of batteries (it wasn't really covered by SOTG), not 12 laser cannon batteries and 12 turbolaser batteries. JimRaynor55 17:48, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh, thank you. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)

Nebulon Ranger?
I know that the Nebulon Ranger is the ship flown by Ulic and his companions, but is Nebulon Ranger ever used as a name for the Nebulon-B? The reason ask is that Wikipedia's Nebulon Ranger article redirects to Nebulon-B frigate. I'm fairly certain it was an error made by someone with little or no knowledge of the Tales of the Jedi series.--Darth OblivionComlink 00:47, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure they made a mistake. It was created as a crappy page about the Nebulon-B, converted into a copyvio of the real Nebulon Ranger, reverted back, and than turned into a redirect. -LtNOWIS 00:58, 23 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I honestly think that the Wikipedia articles should be redirected here. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 02:13, 23 September 2006 (UTC)