Talk:Rune Haako/Legends

Photo of Death
Poor Haako, here's his body. http://img377.imageshack.us/img377/9241/runesbody2fk.jpg --Rune Haako 21:51, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC) Who are the person/people on the table? Is it Shu Mai and Cat Miin? Mastermundi 14:09, 5 April 2006 (UTC)
 * We'll need a much better image than that. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:17, 5 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, it's the best I could get since you can only see his body when those sparks are flying. Rune Haako 23:35, 28 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Those are Anakin and Obi-Wan. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 16:05, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

Death
In RotS, when Anakin is killing everyone, is it Haako who screams "Stop, No, No!" The face looks like him, but it is in the Control room, not the conference room. Also, I think the hat is Rute Gunnay's. Any ideas? Mastermundi 12:32, 28 March 2006 (UTC) Which one? Rune or Rute? Mastermundi 13:46, 28 March 2006 (UTC) That would mean that we don't see Rune's death, which seems odd because he is a better-known Separatist leader. Mastermundi 11:23, 29 March 2006 (UTC) But we know Rune as a main character from TPM, so he is more well-known, rather than important. Mastermundi 11:32, 31 March 2006 (UTC) You can say that again! Mastermundi 14:16, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah it's him.--Rune Haako 13:34, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Rute Gunnay, I suppose. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:22, 28 March 2006 (UTC)
 * He's more of an aide than an actual leader.... - Kwenn 11:24, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I don't think that it really mattered if we saw Haako's death or not. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:28, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It's Haako that screams, "Stop, Noooo" but it's Gunnay that gets sliced.--Rune Haako 21:40, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Weird... Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 22:00, 29 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The massacre scene was just badly edited.--Rune Haako 11:36, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay... The massacre scene was just badly edited. ;) Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 18:13, 31 March 2006 (UTC)
 * According to the original script, Nute and Rune are hiding under the table. In a panic, Rune rushes out, but gets caught by Anakin. That would explain what his body's doing all the way over there, as well as the overturned chair.
 * Yes, but the original script was changed, along with Nute's position. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:09, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, I notice that when Rune yell "Stop, No", he wear one hat, but when he yes "Ahhhh", he wear another hat, the only mistake in there was the hat, not the guy wearing the hat. Oh, and a message to the guy that was talking about Rute Gunray, it's "NUTE", "NUTE GUNRAY", not Rute, but Nute, Nute yes, Rute no. Double D 01:12, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
 * No, there's a Rute Gunnay. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:09, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

Oh, now i get it. When Rune died, he's have belong to this "Rute" guy. (I just saw Rute's picture.) Double D 23:53, 19 April 2006 (UTC)
 * "he's have belong to this "Rute" guy". What are you talking about? Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 16:03, 19 April 2006 (UTC)

So Rune is the one that shouts 'no, no!!!', and is killed right after Poggle the Lesser is cut in half??? Master Secura
 * I believe so. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:30, 20 April 2006 (UTC)

Battle of Geonosis
Now, we all know there's a bit of awkwardness involving Rune Haako and Attack of the Clones. The article says that Lucasfilm's official stance is that the guy we saw on Geonosis is Rune. Now, I know several EU sources say Rune is on Geonosis, and there's really nothing to say that he wasn't. But did Lucasfilm actually come out and say that our non-Rune-looking friend (Gilramos?) IS Rune, or just that Rune was officially on Geonosis with Nute?
 * The alledged Gilramos on Geonosis is Haako. If you ask me, it's a load of bull, but I have to side with canon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:31, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Either that needs to be changed for next years "archival editions", or that's plainly not Rune. Thefourdotelipsis 23:45, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, canon currently says that's Haako. And don't remove it from the article again. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:00, 22 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Where is this source you speak of? Because there are three LFL approved products that say that he WASN'T on Geonoisis - Attack of the Clones (film and credits...this is freaking G-CANON for CHRISSAKE!), AOTC Visual Dictionary, and the Databank. So what's your source? .  .  .  .  09:55, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Leeland Chee. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Chee is on the same level of canonicity as David West Reynolds...and the Lott Dod credit supercedes both. .  .  .  .  11:22, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Stop disputing canon. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Tell that to Chee. .  .  .  .  23:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Knock it off. I don't like it either, but it's canon. Deal with it like I have. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but one C-Canon source does not trump Two C-Canon sources and a G-Canon source. I'm that far away from shifting the AOTC content out of the article, and opening up a seperate section of the article explaining the discrepancy. .  .  .  .  23:19, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * If you do that, I'll revert it and consider it vandalism. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:51, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * What, for presenting established canon as opposed to a false contradiction of the film? Hmm. .  .  .  .  03:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The current G-canon explanation says Haako was on Geonosis. Now, knock it off. You're not going to change anything. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Chee does not supercede the films. .  .  .  .  11:11, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * But retcons can change something in the films. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * This retcon contradicts the films, however, which a retcon cannot, nay, should not do. .  .  ..
 * Uh, retcons can change things in the films. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:25, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Unless it's an SE change, it can't change the print of the film. Retcons like Walex Blissex in ROTJ do not contradict the film - this one does, therfore it should be dismissed. .  .  .  .  22:28, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * You're not in charge of dismissing canon. Now, I advise you not to keep this up unless Chee announces that Haako wasn't on Geonosis. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:46, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * When did Chee make the statement? Pre-ROTS or Post-ROTS? Because that makes a hell of a difference. .  .  .  .  00:40, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Post-RotS, I believe. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * What a wacko. .  .  .  .  01:55, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thefourdotelipsis, stop it. I don't like it either, but you don't see me trying to get an official statement disregarded as canon. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 02:05, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't see an official statement, either. .  .  .  .  02:23, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Rune Haako on Geonosis
The Starwars Databank has Haako appear in only episode 1 and 3, leaving the fact that the Aide to Nute Gunray was Gilramos Libkath. This problem was sort of encountered in episode three when the character Rute Gunnay appeared which is an obvious anagram of Nute Gunray wherein the N and R are switched around. I would appreciate the the databank would be edited to this conclusion despite what Lucasfilm states as you cannot delete a character from existance and portray it as another despite many high similarities.
 * 1) We're not the Databank. 2) Current canon says Haako was with Gunray on Mustafar. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:44, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
 * But you argued against the fact that OOM-9 was once a standard battle droid, which was against established canon. You know why you said that? Because it's common sense - That is NOT by any strech of the imagination, Haako on Geonosis. .  .  .  .  09:08, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Haako was on Geonosis. Leeland Chee said it himself. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Aha! That doesn't mean that he was the Neimoidian with Gunray, does it? .  .  .  .  11:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * He was that Neimoidian with Gunray. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Three sources against one. And one of the three is G-Canon. .  .  .  .  12:10, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Look, if Chee said that Boba Fett was the mother of Waru, when he's clearly not, would that account to a ret-con of Boba Fett actually being Female? Of course not. .  .  .  .  12:13, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Leeland Chee speaks for G-canon as well. Drop it. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * There is only one person that speaks for G-Canon, and that's Lucas. I'm sorry, but there's too much evidence to the contrary. .  .  .  .  22:32, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Will you knock it off already? Current canon says Haako was in Episode II and on Mustafar with Gunray. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Common sense says he wasn't, as well as a G-Canon source, and two C-Canon ones. .  .  .  .  23:14, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Except the latest G-canon statement on the issue says he was at Geonosis. Drop it. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Chee is not G-Canon. .  .  .  .  23:22, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Chee speaks for LFL, so he is.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 23:40, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Now, enough. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:51, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The films are gospel, and the credits of the film explicitly state that that IS NOT HAAKO. Chee may well represent LFL, but he does not supercede the films, under any circumstance. I like Chee, all power to him, but the statement that the second Neimoidian on Geonosis is Haako IS A CONTRADICTION OF THE FILM! .  .  .  .  03:13, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Now, would it be too much to ask for an actual source on Chee's claims? I would like to look at the wording of it, and list it as a source for the article. .  .  .  .  05:04, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It's not a contradiction of the film. It's called a retcon. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No, it's a contradiction. The credits state "Lott Dod", and the Nemoidian that Lucas is presenting in the film is clearly not Haako. .  .  .  .  11:11, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * And then it was retconned to say that Haako was on Geonosis. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Despite the fact that it is clearly NOT Haako. I understand what a retcon is, but the character that Lucas has presented there is clearly not Haako. Haako's similarity in ROTS to his appearance in TPM confirms this. .  .  .  .  12:06, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * What does the Complete Visual Dictionary call him?-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 13:53, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll check. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:27, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm curious to see what it says too, but can we please have a source for Chee's statement? .  .  .  .  22:29, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * When I first saw his statement, I thought he meant that in the filming, the Neimoidian was technically supposed to be Haako. It didn't seem clear if he meant it was also Haako in-universe. Can we check with him to make sure it definitely is Haako in the continuity?-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 02:09, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, you see, that's what I want to see in his wording. If he says that the character was meant to be Haako, then we can take it that that was what was intended, but not what happened. But I don't know how contact him on TOS though. .  .  .  .  03:45, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, the character was meant to be Lott Dod. Then it was Libkath. Currently, with the retcon, it's Haako. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I want to see what he said, whether it was a retcon, or just a statement. It's all in the wording. So where's the link? Without a verifiable source, that material cannot be placed in the article. .  .  .  .  01:52, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * The Complete Visual Dictionary says it's Haako. Canon is canon. This debate is over. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 02:05, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I would still like to see Chee's statement, but the point is conceded. .  .  .  .  02:20, 14 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Check the edit history of the page. I keep thinking that a link was provided in an edit summary. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 02:22, 14 October 2006 (UTC)

Photo
It should be from TPM - it's his earliest appearance and most prominent one Thefourdotelipsis 02:18, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No. We tend to go with photos of them from their latest movie appearance (with a few exceptions). Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 15:06, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, why can't Haako be an exception? .  .  .  .  09:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No, the question is why should he be an exception? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:05, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Mmkay, let's make an exception: Haako's most prominent and important role was in TPM, wheras in ROTS he had one line. Luke's most famous costume is his ANH one, but just because Haako is less famous, it doesn't mean the same rule shouldn't apply to him. .  .  .  .  11:20, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * This is an excellent infobox picture. Don't remove it. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:23, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * There are better. Far better. .  .  .  .  12:09, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:07, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * What do you mean, no? You can't just say no. Portraits should be in the infobox, not full body shots. .  .  .  .  22:33, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No, full-body shots are used for main images. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:35, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Since when? Wikipedia uses Portraits more often than not. It's simply more encyclopedic. .  .  .  .  23:15, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * We're not Wikipedia. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:16, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Our policy is basically full-body shots. Then waist up, then portraits. Deal with it. And even if it isn't, I can always just chop that image right in half to make it a portrait. Classical characters get the exception because of just that. They are classical, older and so their appearances are more of a tribute. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 23:18, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * It should be a TPM publicity shot. We shouldnt make these silly exceptions just for classic characters. I thought we were looking at the saga as a whole, but it is clear to me that that is not the case. .  .  .  .  23:21, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Nope. It's also a combination of the lack of actual good shots from ROTJ and that a character like Han doesn't change in his appearance nor costume. And no, it shouldn't be a TPM shot. Latest appearance. Deal with it or get the hell out of here. -- Redemption Talk [[Image:Oldrepublic.jpg|15px]] 23:50, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Stop overreacting just because we're not using a portrait of Haako from Episode I. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:51, 11 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Despite the blatant lack of common sense here, I'll drop this. But just this. .  .  .  .  03:10, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * or get the hell out of here? Can we at least be civil? Elipsis is perfectly within his rights to question a policy. Cull Tremayne 06:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm. My perceptions of the general attitude of Wookiepedians just shifted a bit. Thanks, Tremayne. .  .  .  .  07:32, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Title
Should Haako be refered to as Settlement Officer Rune Haako in the first line, or Lieutenant Rune Haako, or do neither of those qualify for that usage? . .  .  .  05:03, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * We tend not to use titles with the bolded name. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hmm. What about Princess Leia Organa Solo of Alderaan (not trying to question you, just wondering why that is.) .  .  .  .  11:12, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the majority of the articles doesn't use stuff like that. It's best to follow that majority. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:15, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok. Maybe I'll suggest a change in policy later...I've got enough problems at the minute .  .  .  .  12:08, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Please don't. Having no title with the bolded name is much better. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:26, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Hey, feel free to object, but don't tell me what to do. .  .  .  .  22:30, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I didn't tell you want to do. I suggested that you wouldn't do that. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:46, 12 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Suggestion noted, not heeded. .  .  .  .  00:39, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * And could you provide a link to this suggestion for a change of policy? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:06, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Huh? No, I said I hadn't done it yet. .  .  .  .  01:49, 14 October 2006 (UTC)