Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Log/2007 April 7

[18:58] Ataru: All right. I think we're ready. [18:58] Ataru: The4dotelipsis; Are you master of ceremonies? [18:59] The4dotelipsis: Bah! [18:59] The4dotelipsis: Someone else can do it. [18:59] Ataru: :-( [18:59] Ataru: Fine. [18:59] Xwing328: hehe [18:59] The4dotelipsis: Yes, you do it. [18:59] Ataru: I'll do it, since Cull's here. [18:59] Ataru: Dim greetings everyone [18:59] Ataru: Make sure the channel isn't invite only [18:59] *** McEwok (n=McEwok@host81-154-89-136.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius. [18:59] Ataru: First up [18:59] Ataru: Is the log on? [18:59] Xwing328: yup [18:59] Xwing328: always [19:00] Ataru: Excellent [19:00] The4dotelipsis: Crud. [19:00] Ataru: Talon Karrde [19:00] LordHydronium: NR and Vong War sections seem really short for the importance the character has. TTT is one short paragraph per book. [19:00] Ataru: Expansion of YVW needed. Sectioning. [19:00] Ataru:  TTT? [19:00] Ataru: nvm [19:00] Ataru: I get it now [19:00] Xwing328: I had no objections [19:00] *** Breathes|shower (n=Susan@cpe-66-25-171-223.austin.res.rr.com) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius. [19:00] The4dotelipsis: Yeah, real YVW really needs more. [19:00] LordHydronium: It could use an overall expansion [19:01] Xwing328: lol - breathes has talent to use the computer while in the shower :P [19:01] *** Mode change "+o Breathes|shower" for channel #wookieepedia-inquisitorius by Darth_Culator. [19:01] *** Mode change "+o Breathes|shower" for channel #wookieepedia-inquisitorius by Ataru. [19:01] The4dotelipsis: Does it cover the galaxies stuff? [19:01] Ataru: Karrde? [19:01] Ataru: I don't think so. [19:01] Xwing328: I wouldn't know [19:01] The4dotelipsis: Hmm. [19:01] The4dotelipsis: Needs that too. [19:01] Ataru: Okay, vote then [19:01] The4dotelipsis: Remove [19:01] Breathes|shower: errrrrr [19:01] LordHydronium: Remove. [19:01] Ataru: Remove [19:02] The4dotelipsis: It was too short to begin with, methinks. [19:02] Xwing328: Only based on you saying it needs more, remove [19:02] Ataru: StarNeptune present? [19:02] Ataru: Havac? [19:02] Breathes|shower: can someone link me really quick? [19:02] Ataru: Darth_Culator? [19:02] Darth_Culator: Remove. Rule 9, 12, 14. [19:02] Breathes|shower: to Karrde? [19:02] LordHydronium: Neptune voted keep on the Meeting page, but since she's here I don't know if that holds [19:02] Ataru: (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talon_Karrde)http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talon_Karrde [19:03] LordHydronium: I mean, if she doesn't respond it stays [19:03] Havac: I'm not really here. [19:03] Ataru: Okay. [19:03] Ataru: Hmm [19:03] LordHydronium: But since she's here she might change [19:03] LordHydronium: If she is here. [19:03] Xwing328: If she doesn't comment in a few, obviously use her earlier vote [19:03] LordHydronium: Right. So for now it's 5 remove, 1 keep. [19:03] Ataru: Right [19:04] LordHydronium: Anyone? [19:04] Ataru: I need two more votes for removal, or we have no consensus [19:04] Xwing328: Let's wait for breathes to read [19:04] Ataru: How about Imp? [19:04] Ataru: Imperialles? [19:04] Breathes|shower: so we're saying it could be expanded in the YVW section? [19:04] Ataru: yees [19:04] LordHydronium: And the NR section [19:04] Xwing328: o whoops...lol. I looked at Star's votes for mine. Here's my real ones: Remove (easy fixes). Short Personality, not even P&T (Rule 14). Unsourced quotes (Rule 12). [19:05] Breathes|shower: I think Remove [19:05] Ataru: Okay, I need Imp's vote or something [19:05] LordHydronium: One more needed. [19:05] LordHydronium: Havac? Imp? [19:05] Ataru: Jeez, we're going slow today [19:05] Ataru: Hmmm [19:06] Havac: Is it sourced? [19:06] Ataru: yes [19:06] Breathes|shower: I wonder about Images also, perhaps better use of Images could be made [19:06] Havac: Heh, remove. [19:06] Breathes|shower: unsourced quotes though [19:06] Ataru: Removed. Next. [19:06] Ataru: Ebenn Q3 Baobab [19:06] LordHydronium: Sourcing. Smattering of POV ("While admittedly a bit of a braggart, Ebenn Q3 Baobab truly had every right to be so. It was often difficult for New Republic citizens to comprehend the fact that this larger-than-life personality was, in fact, an actual person.") Personality and Traits. [19:06] Xwing328: Sourcing (Rule 11). No quotes (Rule 13). 2 redlinks (OK by Rule 8). No P&T (Rule 14). [19:06] Ataru: No P&T. No sourcing. [19:06] Ataru: No quotes [19:06] LordHydronium: Oh yeah, lead quote [19:07] The4dotelipsis: Remove. [19:07] Ataru: Surely we could get one. [19:07] Ataru: Remove [19:07] LordHydronium: Remove. [19:07] The4dotelipsis: As much as I like this kind of info. [19:07] *** Xwing328|Busy (n=Xwing328@unaffiliated/xwing328) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius. [19:07] *** Mode change "+o Xwing328|Busy" for channel #wookieepedia-inquisitorius by ChanServ. [19:07] The4dotelipsis: I mean, article. [19:07] LordHydronium: Neptune votes Weak Remove. [19:08] Ataru: 3 more. [19:08] *** Xwing328 (n=Xwing328@unaffiliated/xwing328) has signed off IRC (Nick collision from services.). [19:08] *** Xwing328|Busy is now known as Xwing328. [19:08] Darth_Culator: Remove. Rule 2, 11, 13, 14. [19:08] Ataru: 2 more [19:08] Xwing328: are we still on Ebenn? [19:08] Ataru: Yes. [19:08] LordHydronium: yeah [19:08] Ataru: Do you have a vote? [19:08] Xwing328: Remove [19:08] Xwing328: Already listed it b4 I dropped out [19:08] Breathes|shower: I actually say keep pending sourcing and adding of quotes [19:08] Ataru: I see. [19:09] Ataru: With no P&T? [19:09] The4dotelipsis: Yuhp. [19:09] Ataru: Interesting. [19:09] Xwing328: so 3 rules broken...tssk tssk [19:09] Breathes|shower: whatever. I vote how I want. [19:09] Xwing328: :) [19:09] Ataru: Well, I need one more vote for removal or one for keep. [19:09] Breathes|shower: I mean probationary keep. if that makes sense. [19:09] Ataru: Havac? Imperialles? [19:10] Havac: Remove. And how are you typing this from the shower? [19:10] Xwing328: Breathes|shower - it doesn't get removed for two weeks, following another vote to see if it improved, if that helps [19:10] Ataru: Article is removed by consensus. Next. [19:10] Ataru: Carnor Jax [19:10] LordHydronium: Sourcing. Some images need sourcing. "Though it is suspected that he, along with Kir Kanos, may be a clone grown from the same prime clone, possibly Jax's "father"" is based on a cut idea; remove it. Personality and Traits. [19:10] Xwing328: Carnor Jax - Remove. Sourcing (Rule 11). Unsourced pics, quotes could be more accurately sourced, from specific issues (Rule 12). No P&T (Rule 14). [19:10] Ataru: No P&T. No sourcing. Remove merchandise section [19:11] The4dotelipsis: Per everyone else. [19:11] Xwing328: yes, remove merchandise to SWMW as well [19:11] Breathes|shower: remove. per everyone else. [19:11] LordHydronium: Neptune says: "Remove. Sourcing, several unsourced pics." [19:11] LordHydronium: Remove [19:11] Ataru: Vote! [19:11] Ataru: Remove [19:12] Xwing328: we already did :P [19:12] Ataru: I have 5, I think [19:12] Ataru: 6 [19:12] Darth_Culator: Remove. Rule 11, 12, 14. [19:12] *** JainaSolo (n=4571a92f@host112.toad-host.com) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius. [19:12] Ataru: Article removed unless two people want to speak up [19:12] *** Mode change "+o JainaSolo" for channel #wookieepedia-inquisitorius by Ataru. [19:12] Ataru: Next [19:12] Xwing328: Hi Jaina [19:13] JainaSolo: Hi Xwing328 [19:13] Ataru: Ossus! [19:13] LordHydronium: Perfect in every way. :P [19:13] Xwing328: Ossus - Keep. Minor inconsistencies between "linkable" titles of Appearances/Sources and Notes and references. [19:13] Ataru: Keep [19:13] LordHydronium: Keep. [19:13] JainaSolo: Keep [19:13] The4dotelipsis: Keep [19:13] Breathes|shower: Keep [19:13] Ataru: Anyone else want to vote? :-P [19:13] Darth_Culator: Doesn't seem necessary. [19:13] Ataru: Not that it matters! [19:14] Ataru: Article kept. [19:14] Ataru: Next. [19:14] Xwing328: Brenn Tantor - Keep. Fix Personality to fit P&T (Rule 14). [19:14] LordHydronium: Keep. [19:14] Ataru: Remove sourcing from intro. POV. Capitalization issues. [19:14] Ataru: Remove [19:14] Breathes|shower: do we allow sourcing in section titles? [19:14] LordHydronium: Neptune voted Keep for Ossus and Brenn, BTW. [19:14] Ataru: Yes [19:14] Xwing328: Yes, we do allow [19:15] Ataru: That's at least 3 keeps. [19:15] Breathes|shower: keep [19:15] Breathes|shower: yeah [19:15] JainaSolo: Keep [19:15] Ataru: Okay. Article kept [19:15] Ataru: Next. [19:15] Xwing328: Rune Haako - Keep. Image:R Haako.JPG and Image:Fake haako.jpg are not sourced (Rule 12). [19:15] Ataru: Rune Haako [19:15] LordHydronium: Keep. Some images need sourcing. [19:16] Ataru: Remove sourcing from intro. Photo caption and P&T contradict each other. Keep [19:16] The4dotelipsis: Ermm. [19:16] LordHydronium: Neptune votes keep. [19:16] The4dotelipsis: Keep. [19:16] The4dotelipsis: :P [19:16] The4dotelipsis: But I'll try to adress these problems. [19:16] Breathes|shower: keep [19:16] Xwing328: sounds good [19:16] Ataru: Article kept by consensus. [19:16] Ataru: Next up [19:16] * The4dotelipsis whispers under breath "Stupid Chee" [19:16] Ataru: Nagai-Tof War [19:16] Xwing328: Nagai-Tof War - Remove. Formatting (Rule 4). Sourcing (Rule 11). Unsourced pics and quote (Rule 12). [19:16] LordHydronium: Sourcing. I'd like to see some mention of the Hiromi, but that may be a personal bias. :P [19:16] Ataru: Sourcing. [19:17] The4dotelipsis: Keep. [19:17] Ataru: Keep [19:17] The4dotelipsis: Brainwave! [19:17] Xwing328: grr...that's 3 rules broken [19:17] LordHydronium: Remove, but it doesn't matter. [19:17] Breathes|shower: keep, tag for sourcing [19:17] The4dotelipsis: When we say Keep, and we've got minor issues with it, we should alert the major author. [19:17] The4dotelipsis: Directly. [19:17] Darth_Culator: I want more Hiromi info. [19:17] LordHydronium: I don't think sourcing is a minor issue, though. [19:17] Darth_Culator: Lots more. [19:17] Darth_Culator: HOORAY! [19:17] Ataru: We decided not to do that a couple meetings ago, IIRC [19:17] LordHydronium: Let's hear it for the glorious destiny of Culator! [19:18] LordHydronium: YAAAAAAYYY! [19:18] Ataru: Darth_Culator: Can you help Hobbes15 get in here via ircatwork? [19:18] Ataru: Next [19:18] Ataru: That's 3 keeps, so we're moving on [19:18] Ataru: Death Star [19:18] Xwing328: Death Star - Remove. Sourcing (Rule 11). Unsourced pics (Rule 12). [19:18] LordHydronium: Sourcing. [19:18] Ataru: Needs pic with intro. Present tense. Sourcing. [19:18] * Ataru hates present tense in IU articles [19:19] LordHydronium: Neptune sez: "Sourcing, a couple of unsourced pics. The BTS picture comparing the Death Star to that moon of Saturn is not explained in the text." [19:19] The4dotelipsis: :S [19:19] The4dotelipsis: Keep. [19:19] Ataru: Remove [19:19] LordHydronium: Remove. [19:19] Breathes|shower: remove [19:19] LordHydronium: Neptune votes remove. [19:19] Ataru: Jaina? Darth_Culator? [19:19] JainaSolo: Remove [19:20] LordHydronium: One more needed. [19:20] Darth_Culator: Hate to say it, but remove. Rule 12, and whatever rule covers a slight excess of interpretation. [19:20] Ataru: Hmm. I need one more. [19:20] Xwing328: Remove if you didn't count mine [19:20] Ataru: Someone speak up or it's removed. [19:20] Ataru: Removed. [19:20] Ataru: Next up [19:20] Ataru: JAR JAR! [19:20] Xwing328: Jar Jar Binks - Weak remove. Sourcing (Rule 11). [19:20] LordHydronium: Sourcing. Some info in the top of BtS should go under "Criticism" and "Bullsh-" sorry, "Alleged racism". [19:20] The4dotelipsis: Remove. [19:20] Ataru: Sourcing. Speculation "Skywalker appreciated his help" "wife" part is speculation. Maybe a little POV [19:20] The4dotelipsis: Basically, the BTS is in a shit-load of trouble. [19:20] The4dotelipsis: And I'm going to have to ax a lot of it. [19:21] Ataru: What does Star say? [19:21] Ataru: Remve [19:21] Ataru: *Remove [19:21] Ataru: Star says Weak remove [19:21] LordHydronium: SN: "Weak remove. The only issue is sourcing." [19:21] The4dotelipsis: Hopefully I can get it up to scratch. [19:21] LordHydronium: Remove [19:21] Breathes|shower: weak remove-sourcing, BtS [19:21] Ataru: 5 [19:22] JainaSolo: Remove [19:22] *** Hobbes154 (n=hobbes15@c-24-131-128-231.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius. [19:22] Ataru: 6 [19:22] Ataru: hello [19:22] Ataru: Anyone else? [19:22] Ataru: Or am I counting wrong? [19:22] Havac: Remove [19:22] Ataru: We have 7 [19:22] Ataru: 8 [19:22] Darth_Culator: Yeah, what they said. [19:22] Ataru: Article is removed [19:22] Ataru: 9! [19:22] Ataru: Hate on Jar Jar! :-P [19:22] Ataru: Next! [19:22] Ataru: Bria Tharen [19:22] LordHydronium: Some POV in P/T ("It is, however, a testament to her inner strength"). [19:23] Ataru: Remove sourcing from intro [19:23] The4dotelipsis: Keep [19:23] Breathes|shower: better sectioning needed [19:23] Ataru: Keep [19:23] Darth_Culator: Bria has minor issues, but keepable. [19:23] LordHydronium: Keep. [19:23] The4dotelipsis: Damn these women and their inconsistent appearances! [19:23] Xwing328: unless more complaints come, keep [19:23] LordHydronium: SN says keep. [19:23] Breathes|shower: but... I think.... keep [19:23] JainaSolo: Keep [19:23] Ataru: a whole bunch of keeps to 1 remove. [19:23] Ataru: Article is kept. [19:23] Ataru: Next [19:23] Havac: REMOVE, because someone must be the voice of hatred! [19:23] The4dotelipsis: Hmm. [19:23] Ataru: Nute Gunray [19:23] LordHydronium: Sourcing. [19:23] Xwing328: Nute Gunray - Weak remove. Sourcing (Rule 11). [19:24] Breathes|shower: remove. [19:24] Ataru: Sourcing. Sectioning. [19:24] LordHydronium: Neptune says...well, exactly the same thing as X. [19:24] Ataru: Remove [19:24] The4dotelipsis: Say Remove, because that gives me the incentive to fix him up. [19:24] Breathes|shower: excessive quoting, sourcing [19:24] Xwing328: lol - where do you think I got it? [19:24] Ataru: 4 so far [19:24] LordHydronium: Remove [19:24] Ataru: 5 [19:24] Ataru: Jaina? Culator? [19:24] Ataru: Imp? Havac? [19:24] The4dotelipsis: Hmm. [19:25] JainaSolo: Remove [19:25] Ataru: 6! [19:25] The4dotelipsis: Will I be breaking 3 RR if I restore the "This is Impossible!" quote? [19:25] Havac: Remove [19:25] Xwing328: You could bribe one of us to do it 4dot [19:25] The4dotelipsis: Well, the other guy's already broken it. [19:25] Ataru: Article is removed [19:25] The4dotelipsis: Yeah, one of you guys do it. [19:25] Xwing328: BAN HIM! :P [19:25] The4dotelipsis: On grounds of, it's a better quote. [19:25] Ataru: Meh [19:26] Ataru: Article is removed. [19:26] Ataru: Next [19:26] Ataru: Drovian [19:26] The4dotelipsis: Remove. [19:26] The4dotelipsis: I want a government section, dammit! [19:26] *** LucidFox (n=LucidFox@wikia/Sikon) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius. [19:26] LordHydronium: Neptune says keep. [19:26] Breathes|shower: Keep [19:26] Ataru: Keep [19:26] LordHydronium: Keep [19:26] The4dotelipsis: Bah! [19:26] Xwing328: Keep unless other objections [19:27] Ataru: That's 4 keeps to 1 remove. [19:27] Ataru: make that 5 keeps [19:27] Ataru: Article is kept! [19:27] Xwing328: That was fast, considering the slow start [19:27] Ataru: Next item on the agenda [19:27] Ataru: Final votes on various articles [19:27] Ataru: First up [19:27] Ataru: Jacen Solo [19:27] LordHydronium: (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Jacen_Solo&diff=cur&oldid=1214424)http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Jacen_Solo&diff=cur&oldid=1214424 [19:27] Ataru: (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Jacen_Solo&diff=cur&oldid=1214424)http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Jacen_Solo&diff=cur&oldid=1214424 [19:27] Ataru: durn [19:28] LordHydronium: OK, I'll leave it to you. :P [19:28] Ataru: lol [19:28] The4dotelipsis: Remove. [19:28] The4dotelipsis: Sectioning is still shit. [19:28] Ataru: # ectioning [19:28] Ataru: # Speculation in childhood section [19:28] Ataru: # Condensing, too much play-by-play, particularly: Trivia in Reunion section, abductions, 1st Corellian Insurrection, Vergere [19:28] Ataru: # More detail on Vong war [19:28] Ataru: # Certain prose issues, particularly in "Vergere" section [19:28] Ataru: # Personality and Traits section. [19:28] Ataru: That's what we said was wrong with it [19:28] The4dotelipsis: Well, the sectioning is not fixed. [19:28] The4dotelipsis: So, Darth Who, see you later. [19:29] Ataru: No, it's not. [19:29] Breathes|shower: hey guys [19:29] Ataru: yes? [19:29] Breathes|shower: now that we've finished the mian voting, i really need to go [19:29] LordHydronium: The Vergere section is still ick. [19:29] Ataru: okay [19:29] Ataru: Later Breathes! [19:29] Breathes|shower: I'm screwed for class this week... like really really screwed [19:29] Breathes|shower: later! [19:29] *** Breathes|shower (n=Susan@cpe-66-25-171-223.austin.res.rr.com) has left #wookieepedia-inquisitorius. [19:29] *** Xwing328|Busy (n=Xwing328@unaffiliated/xwing328) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius. [19:29] *** Mode change "+o Xwing328|Busy" for channel #wookieepedia-inquisitorius by ChanServ. [19:29] Ataru: Interesting. [19:29] Ataru: Ok, so vote on Jacen. [19:29] The4dotelipsis: Remove [19:29] Ataru: JainaSolo: No favoritism just because he's your bro! :-P [19:29] *** Cull_Tremayne (n=howlrunn@dhcp80ffbc3f.residence-rooms.uiowa.edu) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius. [19:30] The4dotelipsis: Ben! [19:30] *** Mode change "+o Cull_Tremayne" for channel #wookieepedia-inquisitorius by Ataru. [19:30] The4dotelipsis: Dagobah System! [19:30] Ataru: lol [19:30] Ataru: Vote to remove Jacen now! [19:30] Ataru: remove [19:30] JainaSolo: Ataru: lol [19:30] JainaSolo: Remove [19:30] Ataru: 3. . . [19:30] Ataru: Xwing328, LordHydronium, Cull_Tremayne, Darth_Culator, [19:30] Cull_Tremayne: Die another Day! With a Vengeance! [19:30] Ataru: StarNeptune [19:30] Cull_Tremayne: Err... Remove? [19:30] Ataru: Imperialles [19:30] LordHydronium: Yeah, I'll go with remove. Once it's cleaned up, it can be renommed. [19:31] Ataru: (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Jacen_Solo&diff=cur&oldid=1214424)http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Jacen_Solo&diff=cur&oldid=1214424 [19:31] Darth_Culator: Remove. [19:31] LordHydronium: Neptune said keep. [19:31] Ataru: 6 [19:31] Ataru: 6 to 1 [19:31] Ataru: Xwing328? [19:31] Cull_Tremayne: Wow, we're already to reassessments? [19:31] Ataru: yep [19:31] Ataru: I'll post summary at the end. Everything will make sense [19:31] Ataru: Havac? [19:31] Ataru: We need one more vote either way [19:32] Havac: About what? [19:32] Ataru: Voting to remove Jacen Solo. [19:32] LordHydronium: Whether Jacen stays [19:32] * The4dotelipsis clobbers Ataru over the head with an Inflatable Forklift. [19:32] Ataru: Forever [19:32] Havac: I'm really paying no attention here. [19:32] Ataru: Bah! [19:32] Havac: Remove. [19:32] Ataru: Removed. [19:32] Ataru: Next. [19:32] The4dotelipsis: Good. [19:32] Ataru: Mara Jade [19:32] Ataru: (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Mara_Jade_Skywalker&diff=cur&oldid=1214427)http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Mara_Jade_Skywalker&diff=cur&oldid=1214427 [19:32] LordHydronium: No sourcing. Remove. [19:33] LordHydronium: And a bunch of other stuff. [19:33] The4dotelipsis: Sorry Shannon. [19:33] Ataru: We said    * Sourcing. Quote and image sourcing. [19:33] Ataru:    * Minor formatting (e.g. section capitalization) [19:33] Ataru:    * More Allegiance detail. More detail on: 1st and 2nd Corellian Insurrections, Vong war, Hand of Thrawn. [19:33] Ataru:    * Choice of images for Allegiance. [19:33] The4dotelipsis: You're well equipped, but obviously not enough to source yourself. [19:33] Ataru:    * Cleanup of Dark Nest. [19:33] Ataru:    * Poor writing in personality and Traits section. [19:33] Ataru:    * POV (e.g. "Mara was a witty character") [19:33] Ataru:    * BTS largely speculation, remove products section, remove Mary Sue statements. [19:33] Ataru:    * "Mara's ships" either goes entirely or gets expanded. [19:33] Cull_Tremayne: Let's skip the next five. Since nothing was done. [19:33] Ataru: Very little was done [19:33] Ataru: Nothing was? [19:33] Ataru: Vote on Mara. [19:33] Ataru: Remove [19:34] Darth_Culator: Remove. [19:34] The4dotelipsis: Bahlete [19:34] Cull_Tremayne: For the next five following Mara. [19:34] Cull_Tremayne: Remove for Mara. [19:34] LordHydronium: Remove on Mara, and everything up to Asajj. Haven't looked past that yet. [19:34] JainaSolo: Remove [19:34] Ataru: That's 5 [19:34] Ataru: *6 [19:35] Cull_Tremayne: Remove for Clone Wars as well, stuff was just moved around and the list removed. No sourcing done. [19:35] Ataru: Havac? [19:35] The4dotelipsis: Erm. [19:35] The4dotelipsis: For the record, I say remove on every single one. [19:35] The4dotelipsis: Just in case you miss me one one. [19:35] Havac: I'm voting remove on everything. [19:35] Ataru: Okay [19:35] Ataru: It's removed [19:35] *** Xwing328|FOOD (n=Xwing328@unaffiliated/xwing328) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius. [19:35] LordHydronium: Yeah, death to Clone Wars for the sourcing. [19:35] *** Mode change "+o Xwing328|FOOD" for channel #wookieepedia-inquisitorius by ChanServ. [19:35] Ataru: Nothing done on Freedon Nadd. [19:35] Xwing328|FOOD: bloody hell again [19:35] Cull_Tremayne: No sourcing for Ferus as well. [19:35] Ataru: I'm assuming remove? [19:36] *** Xwing328 (n=Xwing328@unaffiliated/xwing328) has signed off IRC (Nick collision from services.). [19:36] *** Xwing328|Busy (n=Xwing328@unaffiliated/xwing328) has signed off IRC (Nick collision from services.). [19:36] *** Xwing328|FOOD is now known as Xwing328. [19:36] LordHydronium: No sourcing on Ferus, nothing done to Tahiri; klill both [19:36] Cull_Tremayne: Same with Tahiri. [19:36] Ataru: One at a time [19:36] LordHydronium: Or kill them, even [19:36] Ataru: ONE AT A TIME [19:36] Cull_Tremayne: Why? Nothing was done on these. [19:36] Ataru: Nadd removed [19:36] Xwing328: link to one? [19:36] Cull_Tremayne: Vote to remove all the rest? [19:36] LordHydronium: Aye. [19:36] Ataru: Ok [19:36] Ataru: Maul removed [19:37] Ataru: Plo Koon removed [19:37] Xwing328: assuming nothing's been done [19:37] Ataru: 2nd Imperium removed [19:37] Ataru: If nothing's been done, it's removed [19:37] Cull_Tremayne: No sourcing, and very little done, except for on Ferus, and that's a mess in itself. [19:37] Ataru: How about Asajj? [19:37] Cull_Tremayne: Nada. [19:37] Ataru: Remove [19:37] LordHydronium: Nothing substantial. [19:37] LordHydronium: Remove. [19:37] Ataru: Asajj removed, I think. [19:38] Ataru: Clone Wars [19:38] LordHydronium: remove [19:38] Ataru: Remove [19:38] Ataru: 4dot and Havac vote remove [19:38] Darth_Culator: Kill. [19:38] Ataru: that's 5 [19:38] Ataru: What does Star say? [19:38] LordHydronium: remove [19:38] Ataru: That's 6 [19:39] LordHydronium: Cull said above to remove all [19:39] Ataru: oh [19:39] Cull_Tremayne: Damn, never got around to sourcing Jax and N-T War bummer. :-{ [19:39] Ataru: 7 then [19:39] LordHydronium: Cull: 2 weeks! [19:39] Ataru: Removed [19:39] Ataru: Next [19:39] Ataru: Ferus [19:39] LordHydronium: Remove. [19:39] Ataru: If you notice, Hobbes154 is here. [19:39] Ataru: He's been working on it. [19:39] Ataru: I say give him another week [19:39] Ataru: He started what, three days ago? [19:40] The4dotelipsis: Too bad! [19:40] Xwing328: Cruelty [19:40] Ataru: hmm, okay [19:40] Ataru: remove [19:40] Cull_Tremayne: Sorry, no freebees. [19:40] The4dotelipsis: Although kudos for the removal of that "crimson bladed lightsaber!" [19:40] Darth_Culator: We don't have any provision for extending the probation period. [19:40] Ataru: and especially "Jedi padawan vs. Sith wannabe" [19:40] Ataru: True [19:40] Xwing328: Hey, I'd give him a chance....but whatever [19:40] The4dotelipsis: I was tempted to put the whole article up for VFD just for that. [19:40] Darth_Culator: So, remove. [19:40] LordHydronium: Once it's improved, it can be renommed. [19:40] Cull_Tremayne: He can be the first one to bring back an FA. [19:40] Ataru: Very true [19:40] The4dotelipsis: Yes. [19:40] Darth_Culator: That would be neat. [19:40] The4dotelipsis: Jolly for him. [19:40] Xwing328: yes [19:40] LordHydronium: But it has no sourcing right now, for one thing [19:40] Xwing328: get a cookiee for that maybe too :P [19:41] Ataru: Article removed. Keep up the good work Hobbes154, and we'll see Ferus on the nom page in a tick. [19:41] Ataru: Next [19:41] The4dotelipsis: Yeah... [19:41] Ataru: Tahiri [19:41] LordHydronium: Nada to Tahiri, remove. [19:41] Ataru: Remove [19:41] The4dotelipsis: Ferus seems to be everywhere. [19:41] Ataru: I have 5 removes on Tahiri [19:41] Ataru: Jaina? [19:41] Ataru: Culator? [19:41] Ataru: Xwing? [19:41] JainaSolo: Remove [19:41] Xwing328: Remove... [19:42] Darth_Culator: Minimal improvement. Remove. [19:42] Ataru: Okay [19:42] Ataru: Removed [19:42] Ataru: Next item on the agenda. [19:42] Ataru: How are we going to run subsequent meetings? [19:42] Cull_Tremayne: Further meetings... [19:42] Ataru: How often? [19:42] Ataru: How many articles? [19:42] *** Hobbes154 (n=hobbes15@c-24-131-128-231.hsd1.nh.comcast.net) has signed off IRC (Client Quit). [19:42] LordHydronium: Well, we still need to vote on the previous two probation rounds in the upcoming weeks. [19:42] The4dotelipsis: I refuse to Inq an article still on the queue. [19:42] Xwing328: How many more articles do we have? [19:42] Cull_Tremayne: We should probably run two more weekly meetings, just to make sure we go over the probationary FAs. [19:43] Cull_Tremayne: Xwing: None. [19:43] Xwing328: k [19:43] Ataru: None not on the queue, IIRC [19:43] Xwing328: than at least 2 more to finish off the probations, yes [19:43] Ataru: Okay, so two more weekly meetings. [19:43] LordHydronium: And we'll just be doing probations, then? [19:43] Ataru: I think so [19:43] Cull_Tremayne: Should go quick. :-P [19:43] Ataru: We won't have any others to do. [19:44] Ataru: After that, we may move to monthly meetings or whatever [19:44] Cull_Tremayne: We can talk about further meetings in the next two meetings. :-P [19:44] Ataru: Okay. [19:44] Ataru: Next up [19:44] Ataru: FA noms [19:44] The4dotelipsis: Noms! [19:44] Ataru: Vote to remove HK? [19:44] Cull_Tremayne: "Rock us Dukakus!" [19:44] LordHydronium: I've been lazy, but I'll read the new ones this weekend. [19:44] The4dotelipsis: HK? [19:44] The4dotelipsis: Yeah, it's been there for ages. [19:44] The4dotelipsis: And no sign of progress. [19:44] Ataru: HK-47 nom. [19:44] Cull_Tremayne: Is anyone moving to source him? Then he should be gone. [19:45] Ataru: Not much progress. Remove [19:45] *** McEwok (n=McEwok@host81-154-89-136.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) has left #wookieepedia-inquisitorius. [19:45] Ataru: I see 3 removes [19:45] Ataru: Anyone else? [19:45] LordHydronium: HK seems to have hit a standstill. [19:45] Darth_Culator: +1 [19:45] LordHydronium: Sure, why not [19:45] Ataru: 5 [19:45] Xwing328: sure [19:45] Ataru: 6 [19:45] Ataru: Jaina? [19:45] Cull_Tremayne: Have to say Remove. No one's bothering to source him, and he's the last article to "not fall under the new rules" Remove. [19:45] JainaSolo: Remove [19:46] Ataru: 7 [19:46] Ataru: Nom removed [19:46] Ataru: Haunted Village. Hrm [19:46] The4dotelipsis: Out. [19:46] The4dotelipsis: No signs of improvement. [19:46] The4dotelipsis: For ages. [19:46] The4dotelipsis: The plot summary is a disgrace. [19:46] Xwing328: bye bye to it [19:46] Ataru: Eyrezer isn't here to defend it so. . . [19:46] Ataru: remove [19:46] Ataru: 3. . . [19:47] Ataru: Cull_Tremayne? [19:47] Ataru: Darth_Culator? [19:47] LordHydronium: At that rate of votes, it's probably not going anywhere [19:47] Ataru: JainaSolo? [19:47] LordHydronium: Sure [19:47] Cull_Tremayne: Eh. It was brought up February 20th. Remove. [19:47] Ataru: LordHydronium? [19:47] Darth_Culator: Baleete. [19:47] Ataru: 6 [19:47] Ataru: Havac? [19:47] Ataru: Anyone else? [19:47] JainaSolo: Remove [19:47] Ataru: 7 [19:47] Ataru: nom removed [19:48] Ataru: Next up: Carth [19:48] The4dotelipsis: Keep. [19:48] Ataru: Carth is pretty god [19:48] The4dotelipsis: It's fairly recent. [19:48] Ataru: *good [19:48] Ataru: Remember, we can also vote to approve noms here. [19:48] LordHydronium: Keep, but Imp needs to find the damn rule that lets him object on the grounds of specific references. [19:48] Ataru: In this case, that may be in order [19:48] Cull_Tremayne: I think people are misunderstanding what sourcing is. Sourcing everything from the NEC isn't sourcing. [19:48] The4dotelipsis: Sure it is. [19:48] The4dotelipsis: ;) [19:48] Ataru: Carth is barely in NEC> [19:48] The4dotelipsis: Oh, right. [19:48] Xwing328: only if everything sourced really is in NEC [19:49] Ataru: And NEC is pretty much awesome. [19:49] The4dotelipsis: Why don't they just use KOTOR? [19:49] Ataru: I dunno. [19:49] The4dotelipsis: Easy. [19:49] Cull_Tremayne: Well since Selkath was obviously just making up information... [19:49] Ataru: Inq page needs some votes or someting [19:49] Xwing328: then tell me what to vote on [19:49] Ataru: (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Inq:Carth_Onasi&t=20070331034506)http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Inq:Carth_Onasi&t=20070331034506 [19:49] Xwing328: :P [19:50] Ataru: I guess this would be a vote for approval [19:50] Ataru: I'm not going to put too many up for removal- they're all recent and in progress [19:50] The4dotelipsis: No. [19:50] The4dotelipsis: But do lets talk about them. [19:50] Ataru: Basically, unless there's a nom someone wants to remove. [19:50] Ataru: I'm fine with Carth [19:50] Cull_Tremayne: Remove Human. [19:50] The4dotelipsis: Oxygen and Human are tempting. [19:50] Ataru: Yes, remove Human [19:50] Xwing328: At a very quick glance, approve Carth [19:51] The4dotelipsis: But effort is actually being made with Human. [19:51] The4dotelipsis: Sourcing is in progesst. [19:51] Ataru: Well fine. [19:51] The4dotelipsis: *progess. [19:51] Ataru: If Sourcing is in progress, then keep it [19:51] Darth_Culator: We should probably kill oxygen. [19:51] Ataru: And Sio Bibble [19:51] Cull_Tremayne: Fine, remove Oxygen. :-P [19:51] Darth_Culator: Unlike Jon, that was a WP:POINT violation. [19:51] The4dotelipsis: Eh? [19:51] Xwing328: kill oxygen, despite improvement [19:51] Ataru: Remove Oxygen [19:51] The4dotelipsis: Sio Bibble is totally within the rules at the moment. [19:51] LordHydronium: Yeah, definitely remove oxygen [19:51] Darth_Culator: Bibble can stay. [19:51] Xwing328: Bibble seems fine, yeah [19:51] Cull_Tremayne: It's not under 1000? Eh. [19:51] Ataru: Bah! [19:51] Darth_Culator: Mainly because I love his name so damn much. [19:51] Ataru: 1000 word limit violated! [19:52] LordHydronium: Bibble can stay, even if I don't vote for it. :P [19:52] Ataru: I won't vote for it. [19:52] The4dotelipsis: 1000 Word limit is not policy. [19:52] The4dotelipsis: And I'll expand him. [19:52] Darth_Culator: Yet. [19:52] The4dotelipsis: Soon. [19:52] Ataru: At least not until that new policy gets implemented [19:52] The4dotelipsis: Plus. [19:52] The4dotelipsis: He's Oliver Ford Davies. [19:52] LordHydronium: Which is why nobody's officially objecting yet. [19:52] Ataru: Okay, so vote to remove Oxygen is. . . [19:52] The4dotelipsis: And he has a kick ass beard. [19:52] Darth_Culator: Remove oxygen! [19:52] Xwing328: Remove [19:52] The4dotelipsis: Anyone wanna talk about Burl? [19:52] LordHydronium: Oxygen should have been removed before it went up [19:52] * Darth_Culator asphyxiates. [19:52] The4dotelipsis: :P [19:52] Darth_Culator: Maybe that was a bad idea. [19:52] Ataru: I have 5 to remove oxygen [19:52] Xwing328: I want more info on Burl's SW stuff! [19:53] Ataru: 6 [19:53] Cull_Tremayne: I ended with "eh". That should be enough to say that it wasn't a formal objection. :-P [19:53] Xwing328: Anyone with caravan do it now! [19:53] Ataru: Per Xwing [19:53] The4dotelipsis: I've added more information on Burl's stuff. [19:53] Ataru: I still only have 6 to remove Oxygen [19:53] Xwing328: orly? [19:53] The4dotelipsis: Sorry, Caravan of Courage info. [19:53] * Xwing328 goes to look [19:53] Ataru: JainaSolo? Imperialles? [19:53] Darth_Culator: There's not much info to be had outside the realm of (dramatic sting) Original Research. [19:53] The4dotelipsis: And I'm going to upload a .ogg file of his narration. [19:53] Ataru: He did add some [19:53] * Ataru is still waiting on the oxygen vote [19:53] The4dotelipsis: That's all I can add. [19:53] LordHydronium: Incidentally, people who make objections: Strike them out when they're filled! [19:53] JainaSolo: Remove [19:53] The4dotelipsis: Remove oxygen. [19:53] The4dotelipsis: But if someone did it properly, I would support it. [19:53] Ataru: I have 7 now :-) [19:54] Ataru: Nom removed [19:54] Xwing328: 4dot - is a quote possible from Burl's narration? [19:54] The4dotelipsis: Jaymach and Evil Doll's objections for Burl Ives are not legit. [19:54] The4dotelipsis: Xwing328: I'm going to do that as soon as this is all over. [19:54] LordHydronium: Jaymach's is a legit objection, but it's factually incorrect [19:54] Xwing328: ok [19:54] Ataru: I'll strike Evir's in a minute, I think [19:54] The4dotelipsis: Jaymach's does not apply to Burl. [19:54] The4dotelipsis: He doesn't have "Official sources" [19:55] LordHydronium: Sure he does. They're not LFL official, though. :P [19:55] The4dotelipsis: So what? [19:55] LordHydronium: I mean, you didn't get your info from speculation [19:55] Xwing328: We should bug LFL to get some info about him :P [19:55] LordHydronium: I'm saying that's fine, 4dot. [19:55] The4dotelipsis: You can't apply the same blanket policies to a different type of article. [19:55] The4dotelipsis: Oh, OK. [19:55] Ataru: I can see Chee rolling his eyes now [19:55] The4dotelipsis: Chee can roll his eyes all he wants. [19:55] The4dotelipsis: He's a madman. [19:55] LordHydronium: All that that item means is that the info must be officially verifiable. [19:55] Cull_Tremayne: Chee has eyes? [19:55] Ataru: Okay, so basically on Burl- there's two CTs relevant to us [19:55] LordHydronium: And your info is, since you cite it [19:56] Ataru: (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Additional_FA_rule_suggestion&t=20070407221101)http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Additional_FA_rule_suggestion&t=20070407221101 [19:56] The4dotelipsis: So Jaymach can be struck. [19:56] The4dotelipsis: Again. [19:56] Ataru: (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:FA_reform_proposal&t=20070407220710)http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:FA_reform_proposal&t=20070407220710 [19:56] Ataru: No, I don't think he can [19:56] The4dotelipsis: Btw, KEJ's proposed policy would not affect Burl Ives in any way shape or form. [19:56] Ataru: Our rules don't allow us to strike rules-based objections [19:56] The4dotelipsis: It's the 3rd option that would damage Burl. [19:56] Ataru: Even incorrect ones [19:56] The4dotelipsis: It's not rules based. [19:56] Ataru: (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Real-world_biographies&t=20070407113729)http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Real-world_biographies&t=20070407113729 [19:56] Xwing328: GA prereq. is the only real close call right now [19:56] Ataru: Yes, it is [19:57] LordHydronium: Yes, it is, it's just factually incorrect. [19:57] The4dotelipsis: Bah! [19:57] LordHydronium: He's making an objection to something that's satisfied [19:57] The4dotelipsis: We'll just ignore it then. [19:57] Ataru: Official sources is a rule. It's just factually incorrect. No strike [19:57] Ataru: Bah! [19:57] LordHydronium: Do we have any rules on that? [19:57] Ataru: Of course, if he's as stubborn as usual. . [19:57] Ataru: LH: No. [19:57] The4dotelipsis: (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Real-world_biographies&t=20070407113729)http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Real-world_biographies&t=20070407113729 - We will soon. [19:57] The4dotelipsis: Maybe. [19:57] Ataru: Only if he's absent for awhile [19:57] LordHydronium: So if I wanted to block a fully referenced article by saying "It's not referenced", nothing could stop me? [19:57] Ataru: (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Renomination_of_featured_articles_%28again%29&t=20070407221238)http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Forum:Renomination_of_featured_articles_%28again%29&t=20070407221238 [19:57] LordHydronium: That's retarded. [19:58] Ataru: LH: Yes, it is, but no it isn't. [19:58] Ataru: because "POV" is hard to define. [19:58] Ataru: I could disagree with someone's definition of POV. [19:58] LordHydronium: Sure it is. People shouldn't be able to object based on a lie. [19:58] Cull_Tremayne: Hey, who was that Jedi priest in Union? [19:58] Ataru: That way, we're prevented from striking objections. [19:58] The4dotelipsis: He's just being obstructionist. [19:58] Ataru: That he is [19:58] The4dotelipsis: He doesn't want to see us broaden our scope. [19:58] LordHydronium: POV is opinion, though. Verifiable info is objective. [19:58] Xwing328: That one's good to close, the renomination one [19:58] The4dotelipsis: LH is right. [19:59] Ataru: Yeah, it's been two weeks. [19:59] * Xwing328 is going to close it now. 2 weeks is up [19:59] Cull_Tremayne: Anyway, I want a closer eye put on Shaelas or whatever his name is. That NEC thing kinda scares me. Where was it from? Oh just put NEC. [19:59] Ataru: Let's close that thread. [19:59] Ataru: Hmm. Okay. [19:59] Ataru: Thanks for the heads-up. [19:59] LordHydronium: If I wanted to and I were a dick, I could just make up any old crap and object to it if I didn't like an article. [19:59] Ataru: Is there any other business before this body? [19:59] LordHydronium: "Mount Sorrow? Sorry, it, er, doesn't have any images." [20:00] Ataru: If not, I'll post the summary in a minute or two. Unless someone else wants to. [20:00] Cull_Tremayne: We need to make sure that people don't put made up crap into the articles and then source them with a big book. [20:00] Ataru: Nothing wrong with sourcing from a reference book. [20:00] Ataru: Nothing against it [20:00] The4dotelipsis: No official Inq business, I would just like some opinions of people here before you all leave. [20:00] Ataru: As long as its in the big book [20:00] The4dotelipsis: It's not. [20:00] The4dotelipsis: That's the issue. [20:00] Ataru: Right [20:00] The4dotelipsis: Anyway...