Talk:Ultimate Weapon

Can you provide a source for this? --Imp 22:16, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

''During the Clone Wars, the Confederacy of Independent Systems secretly began development and construction of a moon-sized battle station with superlaser prime weapon. Geonosians already had plans for an Ultimate Weapon before their world was overrun [AOTC]. Three years later, Archduke Poggle the Lesser had dubbed the secret project as the Great Weapon. After the Battle of Coruscant the war had apparently reached a stalemate, but the Separatist leaders knew that they could win eventually if they could prolong the conflict until the Great Weapon's completion. According to Shu Mai (in a pessimistic mood on Utapau), this might have taken "years" [Reversal of Fortune #112]. '' — Ŭalabio 22:46, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I can't seem to find a single source referring to the plans handed over to Dooku as the 'Great Weapon'. That's why I ask for a source. --Imp 22:24, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Star Wars Technical Commentaries — Curtis Saxton says it is called the Great Weapon and the Ultimate Weapon. I know that in episode two, people called it the Ultimate Weapon.  Curtis Saxton says that during construction, it became known as the Great Weapon.  This is what he wrote:
 * Exactly how canon is the SWTC? I've always been under the impression that it's just a fan site. Kuralyov 04:33, 7 March 2006 (UTC)

Should we move to Ultimate Weapon and do we need to list this as a stub?
I treat Ultimate and Great as synonyms because the plans for the Ultimate Weapon came to fruition in the Project "the Great Weapon." You reminded me that the name the Great Weapon never made it to screen. Perhaps, we should move this article to the Ultimate Weapon. — Ŭalabio 09:43, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Stub indicates that an article needs expansion. The article has all definite information about this weapon already. The only thing left to add is the speculation about which battlestation one sees at the end of episode three '' (¿was it the Ultimate Weapon, the PrototypeDeathStar or the first Death Star?). '' After we add the speculation and arguments, the article will be as complete as possible. We simply have no more information to add. — Ŭalabio 09:43, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The Ultimate weapon probably is not the Death Star.
The “Confederacy of Independent Systems” had a “Great Weapon” which fell into the hands of the Empire after the war. The “Confederacy of Independent Systems” never finished the “Ultimate Weapon”. The Empire was not willing to just finish an untested superweapon. The Empire built a testbed for testing the new systems. This was the “Death Star Prototype”. “Death Star Prototype” was only an open frame with functional hypermatter reactor, hyperdrive, and superweapon to prove the viability of these enormously scaled up systems. The Empire built it about halfway between “Star Wars Episode Ⅲ: Revenge of the Sith” and “Star Wars Episode Ⅳ:  A New Hope”. After the “Death Star Prototype” proved the viability of the concept of a “Death Star”, the Empire built the “ First Death Star”. The “Death Star” at the end of “Star Wars Episode Ⅲ: Revenge of the Sith” could be any of the aforementioned Death Stars. — Ŭalabio‽ 04:08, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, George Lucas hismelf stated that the Death Star from ROTS was the Death Star (from ANH). But, for what it's worht, I like your theory.Kuralyov 04:14, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * ¿Are you sure about that? I know that he stated that it is a Death Star.  I have no doubts that the object is a Death Star.  At any rate, are we not certain that the ultimate weapon and the first death star are the same object.  Perhaps the Great Weapon is the Death Star Prototype.  Perhaps these are all three distinct objects.  ¿Are you absolutely certain that the Great Weapon and the First Death Star are the same object? — Ŭalabio‽ 04:38, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Yep. Dan Wallace discusses how he had to follow Lucas's vision in the New Essential Chronology here: "Basically because, that's how George envisions it.  In his eyes it's the Death Star out there, and the scene isn't a flash forward (well, not of more than a few months or so). Lucasfilm tries to fit George's movie additions with existing EU wherever possible, but if there's a complete contradiction, George's information will take precedence."  jSarek 07:50, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * This would mean that the Death Star Prototype disappears from history and the First Death Star requires 22 years from AOTC to ANH to create. — Ŭalabio‽ 15:47, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Yep. Though it doesn't necessarily negate the existence of the prototype; never underestimate the ability of EU authors to create workarounds for continuity errors.  The prototype may actually have predated the Clone Wars, or it might have been a prototype or proof-of-concept creation created for the superlaser *after* the superstructure of Death Star I had already been started, or maybe something we haven't even thought of yet.  However, there's no getting around that the DSI was started over twenty years before ANH. jSarek 21:06, 7 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * If I recall correctly, the notion of an 'expeditionary battlestation' was created by a Republic scientist (who would later be part of the DS project). It was in the AOTC-era EU, and it didn´t have any super-weapon, just enormous amount of space for troops and vehicles. It was later combined with the superlaser-development into the DS. Perhaps the thing we see at the end of ROTS is only being built for carrying/accommedating troops, while at the same time the DS prototype is undergoing development and testing on its own. (For the weapon-concept´s later use in the other station.) The principle of don´t put all your eggs in one basket, that sort of thing. ;) VT-16 07:48, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * The reference you have thought of is Rogue Planet, set in 29 BBY, where Raith Sienar first proposes the concept. He later gives it to Tarkin, who hands it to Palpatine (where we can assume it gets to Dooku, the Geonosians et al). QuentinGeorge 07:51, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Nobody needs to worry, b/c a novel will be written to resolve this. Until then, Wookiepedia needs to maintain a minimalist stance--say only that which is certain--The Erl

Moving
I am going to be moving this to Ultimate Weapon and rmeoving any references to the "Great Weapon," because after several months, the only sources that have been listed as calling it the "Great Weapon" are the non-canon SWTC. And even if canon sources are found, the fact that it's called "Ultimate Weapon" in a G-canon source while months of searching have found no mention of "Great Weapon" I think says something. Kuralyov 17:46, 7 March 2006 (UTC)