Wookieepedia:AgriCorps/Log/2009 June 21

[07:18]		AC Meeting 10 [07:18]		First up, probed articles fro last meeting [07:18]		Only two of these, and first among them: [07:18]		http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Duel_on_Yavin_4&diff=2601704&oldid=2573771 [07:18]		Yavin 4 looks good. My only concern is that it might have missing Databank Source list items [07:19]		the Ventress entry (assuming she has one), for example [07:19]		That should be hard to fix, though. [07:19]		*shouldn't [07:19]		There were some things I noticed about first names instead of last names, but overall it looks like the article still requires fixes [07:19]		yeah, if someone feels like checking on it, cool [07:19]		Yeah, it's mostly easy fixes [07:19]		Extend probe, then? [07:20]		It may or may not be easy to fix, based on how much Databank info might be missing [07:20]		Probably not much [07:20]		Also CSWE possibility [07:20]		Hmm, extend then? [07:20]	<Toprawa>	I'm checking the Databank now, FWIW [07:20]	<CC7567>	Ventress is in there [07:20]	<Graestan>	Extend, I think [07:20]	<ChackJadson>	Ah, thank you Tope [07:20]	<Cylka>	With new objections? [07:20]	<CC7567>	http://www.starwars.com/databank/character/asajjventress/index.html [07:21]	<Toprawa>	There's a good paragraph on the battle. [07:21]	<Toprawa>	I don't know what may be missing. [07:21]	<ChackJadson>	Cylka: probably, yeah [07:21]	<CC7567>	Last names, possibly expand prelude? [07:21]	<Cylka>	Extend then. [07:21]	<Toprawa>	Extend with new objections would be good [07:21]	<CC7567>	Extend [07:21]	<ChackJadson>	Tope: no info missing from her entry [07:21]	<ChackJadson>	Extend [07:21]	<Graestan>	Extended. [07:21]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Jacob_Nive&oldid=2573774 [07:21]	<Graestan>	No work. Kill. [07:21]	<Grunny>	Killify [07:22]	<ChackJadson>	Kill then [07:22]	<CC7567>	Killz [07:22]	<Cylka>	I'll do the paperwork with the articles if someone else does minutes and log. [07:22]	<Toprawa>	Kill Nive. [07:22]	<Cylka>	Kill. [07:22]	<ChackJadson>	I'll do minutes [07:22]	<CC7567>	Aw, I wanted to do it, Cylka :P [07:22]	<Cylka>	If you want. :-P [07:22]	<Grunny>	I'm doing the minutes [07:22]	<ChackJadson>	Oh, ok [07:22]	<Cylka>	I haven't been around much, so I offered. [07:22]	<Graestan>	I'm going to make the donuts. Let's move on. [07:22]	<ChackJadson>	Thanks Cylka [07:22]	<Cylka>	9_9 [07:23]	<ChackJadson>	and Grunny and whoever else does it [07:23]	<Graestan>	New articles to review: [07:23]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bimm [07:23]	<Toprawa>	MENDOOOZAAAAA [07:23]	<Graestan>	TBH, Bimm would be an FA if it was done right [07:24]	<Graestan>	No images of the Bimms from the movies? o_O [07:24]	<ChackJadson>	Could be longer [07:24]	<Toprawa>	there's still an unsourced statement [07:24]	<Toprawa>	two, actually [07:24]	<ChackJadson>	Nothing on the Bimm in the Boba Fett book, for example [07:24]	<Grunny>	Sources and appearances could be incomplete too [07:24]	<Toprawa>	no, one, sorry [07:25]	<Graestan>	Probe. It actually appears to have the correct raw material. [07:25]	<ChackJadson>	Probe [07:25]	<CC7567>	Probe [07:25]	<Toprawa>	Probe [07:25]	<Grunny>	Probe [07:25]	<Cylka>	Probe. Toki Tollivar could add some more info. [07:26]	<Graestan>	Who's Toki Tollivar? :P [07:26]	<Grunny>	:P [07:26]	* Cylka	flahes Graestan an obscene gesture. :-P [07:27]	<ChackJadson>	O_o [07:27]	<Graestan>	It's always obscene when you flash me :P [07:27]	<CC7567>	Manners, ye elders. [07:27]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Skreej [07:27]	<Toprawa>	Probe, per "Hoth" [07:27]	<CC7567>	Probity [07:27]	<Graestan>	Probe, easy fixes [07:27]	<Cylka>	Probe. [07:27]	<Grunny>	Probe [07:27]	<ChackJadson>	Probe [07:29]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Time_travel [07:29]	<Graestan>	No way, Jose. Probe. [07:29]	<ChackJadson>	Probe [07:29]	<CC7567>	That needs clearer layout [07:29]	<Graestan>	Missing Galaxies info, iirc. [07:29]	<Toprawa>	Unsourced infobox things [07:29]	<Toprawa>	per CC on the layout [07:29]	<CC7567>	Probe [07:29]	<Grunny>	Probe it [07:29]	<Cylka>	Probe. [07:29]	<Toprawa>	Probe [07:30]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Coruscant_(Great_Hyperspace_War) [07:30]	<Graestan>	Acky fixed it. [07:30]	<Graestan>	Keep.' [07:30]	<Grunny>	Keep [07:30]	<CC7567>	Keep [07:30]	<ChackJadson>	keep [07:31]	<Toprawa>	Someone may want to clarify for Time travel that "clearer layout" probably means some kind of "Description" and "History" sections [07:31]	<Toprawa>	Keep that one [07:31]	<CC7567>	Yeah, and perhaps "Variants" as well or something [07:31]	<Cylka>	Keep On the Battle. [07:32]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Fanon_Wiki [07:32]	<Grunny>	Variants would probably go in the description section, as subsections [07:32]	<Graestan>	Probe. [07:32]	<Grunny>	Probe [07:32]	<Graestan>	Here's my main beef: [07:32]	<Graestan>	POV issues. [07:32]	<Graestan>	What's to say the things described are the full story? [07:32]	<Graestan>	Furthermore, you need some more outside reference. [07:32]	<CC7567>	Also, the thing about the sourcing needs to be clarified [07:32]	<Toprawa>	I'm concerned about the necessity of keeping it updated to present proceedings [07:33]	<Toprawa>	an article like that can be out of date after a week, for ex [07:33]	<ChackJadson>	Probe [07:33]	<Toprawa>	Probe [07:33]	<Cylka>	Per Tope, but Ataru does update. [07:33]	<CC7567>	Probe [07:33]	<Cylka>	Probe. [07:33]	<CC7567>	I haven't seen that much of an update lately, though [07:33]	<Graestan>	Even so, Ataru's involvement in the site and his limited scope presents POV issues. [07:33]	<Cylka>	Very true. [07:34]	<Cylka>	I could agree with that. [07:34]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Being_Boba_Fett [07:34]	<Graestan>	CC? [07:34]	<Toprawa>	Probe, no changes [07:34]	<CC7567>	It was the unsourced OR that still bothers me [07:34]	<CC7567>	Probe [07:35]	<ChackJadson>	probe [07:35]	<Grunny>	Probe [07:35]	<CC7567>	Not the OR, but the review [07:35]	<Cylka>	Probe [07:35]	<Graestan>	Probe, then [07:36]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Roche_Hive_Mechanical_Apparatus_Design_and_Construction_Activity_for_Those_Who_Need_the_Hive%27s_Machines [07:36]	<Graestan>	For The World is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky [07:36]	<Toprawa>	I don't see any real problems, and concerns were addressed [07:36]	<Graestan>	Mauser appears to have fixed it. Keep. [07:36]	<ChackJadson>	keep [07:36]	<Grunny>	Keepage [07:36]	<CC7567>	Keep [07:36]	<Toprawa>	Keep [07:37]	<Cylka>	Mauser is good for fixing things. [07:37]	<Cylka>	Keep. [07:38]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Duel_on_Roqoo_Depot [07:38]	<ChackJadson>	keep [07:38]	<ChackJadson>	Harrar got this one, it seems [07:38]	<CC7567>	Keep [07:38]	<Graestan>	Keep. Harrar rocks. [07:38]	<Grunny>	Keep [07:38]	<ChackJadson>	he's the man :P [07:38]	<Toprawa>	Keep, though an inquiry should be made into why this isn't on the FAN page yet assuming it's over 1000 words [07:38]	<Cylka>	Keep. [07:38]	<CC7567>	Per Tope. [07:39]	<CC7567>	It's taking up space [07:39]	<Toprawa>	GAN is just was of time for something like this [07:39]	<Toprawa>	waste* [07:39]	<Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Treaty_of_Coruscant [07:40]	<Graestan>	I am leery of thisarticle [07:40]	<Graestan>	It's based on a preview [07:40]	<Graestan>	Even so, Trayus fixed it up some [07:40]	<Toprawa>	the sectioning kind of bugs me [07:40]	<Graestan>	It just seems to fall under the "stable" rule [07:40]	<Cylka>	The TOR articles are a bit uncertain at times. [07:40]	<CC7567>	But only just. [07:40]	<Toprawa>	"Background" should/could be "History," for ex [07:40]	<Graestan>	Yes, no history at all [07:41]	<CC7567>	Do we have anything else to base it on? [07:42]	<Graestan>	My question is, when will the new info arrive? [07:42]	* ChackJadson	shrugs [07:42]	* Cylka	shrugs [07:42]	<ChackJadson>	Do we know? [07:42]	<Toprawa>	when the game comes out? [07:42]	<CC7567>	When is that? [07:42]	<ChackJadson>	AFAIK, we don't know [07:43]	<Toprawa>	In all seriousness, I could probe on the sectioning alone [07:43]	<Toprawa>	At the /very/ least, show me a "History" [07:43]	<Graestan>	Sure, it's easy enough for him to fix [07:43]	<Grunny>	Per Tope [07:43]	<Toprawa>	I would do it myself, but I don't even know where to divide it at [07:43]	<Graestan>	Separate terms from history [07:43]	<CC7567>	Probe, then [07:43]	<ChackJadson>	Per Tope, so probe [07:43]	<Cylka>	Probe, per Tope. [07:44]	<Graestan>	Probe, although I actually find this one a bit harsh [07:44]	<Graestan>	Alright, that's it. [07:44]	<Cylka>	Maybe, but a probe may ensure that it will be fixed up. [07:45]	<Graestan>	Anything else? [07:45]	<CC7567>	Nom subpages. [07:45]	<Graestan>	Ah, yes [07:45]	<Graestan>	Grunny? [07:45]	<Grunny>	Well I'm easy on this, but I though we might as well discuss trialing it more [07:46]	<Grunny>	The only one to have really used them so far is CC [07:46]	<Grunny>	So I can't say whether I like them or not yet [07:46]	<CC7567>	Personally, I'm not finding them very useful; they're more convenient, yes, but I'm not sure if that's worth giving it a policy or a rule. [07:46]	<Toprawa>	I don't mind using them at all, but one minor drawback I do find, for me at least, is that I think it kind of "puts people off," if you will, from reviewing that article. [07:46]	<ChackJadson>	I don't want to really expand them a ton [07:46]	<ChackJadson>	Per CC [07:46]	<Grunny>	But I don't know whether we should just use them for only noms with long objections [07:47]	<Toprawa>	like I'll scroll through the noms page, look at that, and then move on because I don't want to deal with the baggage [07:47]	<ChackJadson>	Yes, it's a very minor advantage, if anything, and Tope has a point too [07:47]	<Graestan>	Doesn't matter either way to me; until my attention span returns I can't read the messy ones anyhow [07:47]	<Cylka>	Per tope, at times. [07:47]	<Grunny>	Like I said I don't perticularly like them, but I thought we should discuss it [07:47]	<ChackJadson>	Want to give them one more month? [07:48]	<Cylka>	Sure. [07:48]	<Grunny>	Can't hurt [07:48]	<ChackJadson>	Oh, and I have more thing after this [07:48]	<Toprawa>	Whatever you guys want to do with it [07:48]	<CC7567>	Sounds fine [07:48]	<Graestan>	Chack? [07:48]	<ChackJadson>	You know how we made a word limit, and then (last time, I think) we decided we would have to get the community to vote on it, what will we do about that? [07:49]	<ChackJadson>	That was poorly explained, I'm sorry [07:49]	<ChackJadson>	Should we put the 3000 word limit to a CT or anything? [07:50]	<Cylka>	Well, maybe, since GT threw out the notion of raising the minimum word count on the FAs. [07:50]	<Graestan>	Yes, it'd be a step away from people thinking we're arbitrating too far [07:50]	<ChackJadson>	Its just because concerns were raised about us losing the community's trust [07:50]	<ChackJadson>	Per Grae [07:50]	<Graestan>	To be honest, I'd never support the FA one. [07:50]	<CC7567>	Per Grae and Tope [07:50]	<CC7567>	Wait, Chack. [07:50]	<ChackJadson>	Ok [07:51]	<CC7567>	(as a correction) [07:51]	<ChackJadson>	sure [07:51]	<Grunny>	To CT or not to CT? [07:51]	<CC7567>	CT. [07:51]	<Graestan>	It's a good idea, but I had little to do with it the first time, so I can't really do the CT [07:52]	<Graestan>	I can't sum it up right [07:52]	<Cylka>	CT. [07:52]	<ChackJadson>	Anyone here think they could do that particularly well? Explain it, I mean? [07:52]	<Cylka>	It was an outside party's idea in the first place. [07:52]	<ChackJadson>	Whose? [07:53]	<Cylka>	Fiolli had mentioned it in passing a long time ago. [07:53]	<ChackJadson>	Oh, ok [07:53]	<ChackJadson>	so...I'll say CT, who wants to write it? [07:54]	<ChackJadson>	If we had Nuku, we could do !youdoit :P [07:54]	<CC7567>	Too bad. 9_9 [07:54]	<Graestan>	Do one anyway. [07:54]	<ChackJadson>	!youdoit [07:54]	<Graestan>	Chack should do it. [07:54]	<CC7567>	XD [07:54]	<ChackJadson>	:| [07:54]	<Cylka>	X-D [07:54]	<Grunny>	All who vote Chack to do it say aye [07:54]	<ChackJadson>	Does that constitute a vote? [07:54]	<CC7567>	I can try, I guess, but I need the rest of the reasoning, if there was any [07:54]	<Grunny>	Aye [07:54]	<Graestan>	Aye [07:54]	<Grunny>	:P [07:54]	<ChackJadson>	:P [07:54]	<CC7567>	Eye. [07:55]	<Cylka>	Aye. [07:55]	<ChackJadson>	K, me it is [07:55]	<Cylka>	I'll help if you want, Chack. [07:55]	<ChackJadson>	sure, thank you :) [07:55]	<Graestan>	Blaspheming the system of !youdoit, eh, Cylka? [07:56]	<Graestan>	Anyhow [07:56]	<ChackJadson>	Is that all we had to do tonight? [07:56]	<Graestan>	MEETING ADJOURNED