Talk:Hammerhead-class cruiser

Source for the length? --Fade 23:10, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

CEC
These are listed on the CEC page as their creations. Any source for that? --SparqMan 04:38, 17 May 2006 (UTC)
 * I think it's a speculation because of their appearance. MoffRebus 23:20, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Known Ships
The article has Harbinger and The Endar Spire, but what about Sojourn?

length
I think that it would be a good thing to put the length of the "hammerhead" ships, seeng that they are larger than the other "cruiser", that would be like 150 to me..., i think some diggin is needed. I will help if you want. viento(non usser) 7 july 2006
 * Being a "non-user" doesn't relieve you of the necessity to sign posts properly. Any speculation about the length is just that, speculation. The actual length is u-n-k-n-o-w-n. - Sikon [ Talk ] 05:41, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Poorly Armed?
The official Star Wars Databank listing for the Leviathan-type ships (http://www.starwars.com/databank/starship/leviathan/index.html) and the corresponding entry on Wookiepedia (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Leviathan) only lists them as having 4 turbolasers, backed up by a pair of ion cannons and 20 quadlaser batteries. At 6-8 turbolasers a pop, the Republic capital ships would actually seem to surpass the Sith capital ships in heavy firepower (the larger apparent size of the Sith ships likely coming from the gravity well projectors and fighter hangar bays).

Sabrel 06:14, 13 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Quad laser cannons.....hmmmm.....the cutscene where the Leviathan attacks Taris shows batteries of dual laser cannons. So either someone forgot to list those, or whoever came up with all these ships' statistics had no clue what he was doing. Either way I wouldn't take it too seriously. - lalala_la

Err, I'd be happy to rewrite the page to a more neutral standpoint. If no one objects... (24/12/2006)
 * Though their relative firepower and durablity versus a Interdictor is conjecture, the idea that they're poorly armed conversions is also conjecture. It should be reworded or rewritten unless their relationship in firepower and durability are made clear.  Or at least less murky.  (22/12/2006)

Republic Fleet
If a third of the fleet was destroyed, and another third defected to the Sith, then shouldn't we have seen at least some sizeable amount of Republic forces fielding the same ships as the Sith or vice versa? lalala_la


 * It's done alot to avoid 'confusion' regarding casual observation as to who's fighting who, but I agree it's rather odd that there are no interdictors or ravenger class ships floating around the republic fleet, and no hammerheads or 'Republic Cruisers' in the sith fleets. My opinion would be that the hammerheads and cruisers were built afterwards, but this is just a guess. (22/12/2006)

Hammerhead-class capital ship
That name is listed on the Darth Bane: Path of Destruction page. I assume it's in reference to these ships. Can anyone confirm? If it is, nice to finally have a name, albeit a pretty lame one - Kwenn 18:52, 13 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I wouldn't be so sure. Take a look at the Class VI freighter and you'll notice some similarities. Jedi Wolf 12:55, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hammerhead-class capital ship is indeed a class of ship in PoD. While it is possible the author intended this to be the same type of ship as in KOTOR and KOTOR II, there is no proof of that yet, so for now they are two separate ship types.  In-universe, it seems unlikely the same class of ship would be used for 3000 years.  Perhaps the Hammerhead in PoD is a DESCENDANT of the KOTOR design.JustinGann 19:06, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Good point, but what I think is that perhaps these capital ships are CEC technology that was upgraded and manufactured by Rendili StarDrive. Jedi Wolf 6:08, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I see Kuralyov decided to move it, but I agree that there's no proof they're the same class. Someone might want to ask Leland Chee, but for now, I think this should stay at Republic capital ship. - Lord Hydronium 06:29, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I actually didn't see this talk section until now. While I agree it's not set in stone, the fact that it's so painfully obvious Karpyshyn took as much as possible for POD direct from KOTOR makes it almost certain it's what he had in mind. Kuralyov 06:32, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I see he wrote most of KOTOR, which pretty much settles it for me. Heard he had alot of other KOTOR-tie-ins in this book, so this is highly likely. And since it's at the end of a long, devastating war that's going bad for the Republic, they would probably field just about anything that could fly. The 3,000 year old Invincible-class in the CSA is also an example of long-lasting quality. VT-16 08:46, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Hrm just wondering....I didn't read PoD, but does it imply whether these guys still front-line combat vessels or just obsolete support craft that have become a rare sight? lalala_la
 * Doesn't really say. They only appear in one scene, during the initial Sith ambush on Ruusan, although at that point Ruusan was out of the front lines and they were acting as a basic garrison. Kuralyov 06:15, 9 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Ewwwww....what an ugly, ugly, awful name lalala_la
 * Well, thanks to Chee's confirmation, that's it now. I agree it's cheesy. I mean, what about all the other hammerheaded designs seen over the millenia? Did CEC's hammerheaded vessels all get numbers or unrelated classnames thanks to this type having dibs on "Hammerhead"? >P VT-16 19:15, 4 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Chee's confirmation? What did I miss? Edit: never mind, it's in the article. - Sikon 19:57, 4 November 2006 (UTC)

Era usage
Okay. So now that the page has been locked, can we discuss the issue here? -- SFH 00:55, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Even if the Hammerhead-class served for 4,000 years, it still would have some competition from the Class VI freighter (same period) and the 1,000 years younger Invincible-class dreadnaught. What evidence do we have that the crashed Hammerhead on Mustafar had recently gone down? VT-16 07:27, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's exactly what I am talking about; just because you see the wreckage of the ship does not mean that it just recently crashed, that's ridiculous. The ship crashed 1,000s of years ago on Mustafar and because it crashed there, it's wreckage is there too. IT ONLY EXISTED IN THE OLD REPUBLIC ERA.  I mean if you find wreckage of a WW2 era destroyer washed up along side a beach in present-day Hawaii, it does not mean the ship just recently crashed and is still in service.  JUST BECAUSE YOU FIND THE HAMMERHEAD in present-day Mustafar does not mean it existed in that time frame, or as you so persist, the Rise of the Empire era and Rebellion era; that's just not true, not to mention there is no record of any Hammerhead seen outside the Old Republic era.  All you are doing Kuralyov is displaying your own point of view which is indeed false.  Commander Kalik
 * Doesn't matter; since the Hammerhead is around in that era, we use that era tag on its article. Doesn't matter why it's still around, or how many were still around; the fact remains that it is present in the RotE and Rebellion eras - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 20:28, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * That's not the point at all; he is saying that this ship has been used for 1,000s of years even though it hasn't. It was a Capital Ship of the Old republic Navy and this is it, it has never served beyond that era and because it has never served beyond that era you DO NOT USE ERA TAGS for eras it has never served.  There is wreckage of an AT-TE on Felucia during the Galactic Civil War, but it has a Rise of the Empire era tag like it properly should because that is when it WAS USED.  Commander Kalik 20:28, 22 January 2007
 * How do you know it wasn't a recent crash? There's nothing to back up your claim, either. It could easily have survived into the RotE era if it was in use during Bane's lifetime - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 20:41, 22 January 2007 (UTC)
 * THERE ARE NO RECORDS OF THE SHIP EVER EXISTING IN A SERVICE OTHER THAN THE OLD REPUBLIC ERA, YOU GUYS ARE MAKING UP STORIES. THERE NEVER WAS A RECENT CRASH; TO PUT THAT OR BELIEVE THAT AND ACTUALLY PUT IT IN AN ARTICLE IS ABSURD. I WAS FAIR, I SAID THAT "ALTHOUGH WRECKAGE APPEARS ON MUSTAFAR AS LATE AS 1ABY, IT IS NOT CONFIRMED WHETHER OR NOT THE SHIP AS EXISTED IN ANY OTHER ERA"  BUT NO, YOU HAD TO MAKE A BIG ORDEAL OF THE SITUATION AND PUT CRAP THAT YOU BELIEVE.  I'm in medical school, I'm pretty smart and I know a lot about Star Wars, especially one of my favorite ships; to see you butcher its history angers me.  Like I said I was fair... Commander Kalik 20:41, 22 January 2007
 * Firstly, calm it down. No one's saying you're not smart, and really, this doesn't have anything to do with being smart. Now, the New Sith Wars ended in 1,000 BBY, and Hammerheads were used during the later stages of that conflict, as per Darth Bane: Path of Destruction. Since that's on the cusp of the RotE era, it's not much of a stretch to believe they remained in use at least until the early years of the RotE era. And since we can't prove either way when the crash occured, we need to use the RotE and Reb era tags to denote its appearance in those eras - \\Captain Kwenn// &mdash; Ahoy! 20:52, 22 January 2007 (UTC)