Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Gand (second nomination)

Gand

 * Nominated by:  Trak Nar  Ramble on 05:29, March 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Finally nommed it, and now properly, after searching for the old nom from a year ago.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 05:29, March 8, 2011 (UTC)

Prepare to be savaged...
Yay, a species nom! :)
 * I'll give it a closer read later, but just on a glance, you'll need to source the "notable Gand" in the infobox.
 * Done.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 07:22, March 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * No quotes for the other sections? I'd think there would be something, what with all the appearances listed.
 * Still looking for quotes. I'll see if Zuckuss or Ooryl have anything interesting to say. Aside from "Ooryl is token Gand."  Which I just slotted into the "Gitg" section.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 07:22, March 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Added another quote.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 05:09, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * I notice a lot of appearances and sources that don't seem to be reflected in the "Notes and references." Movie aliens are a pain in the breathmask because there are just tons and tons of places to check for info. I'm guessing many of the non-cited sources/appearances are simply appearances or brief mentions of Zuckuss, but are you sure you've checked all the others for pertinent info? This is what tanked the Gotal nom a while ago; there were just too many sources to check. Tis all for now. Will read more closely soon. ~ SavageBob 06:51, March 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * A number of sources are Zuckuss/Ooryl sources, which I had noted in the Appearances listing (mainly for my benefit so I can keep track of them). Others I may need to check with other people who have the source material.  I'll give it another once-over tomorrow.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 07:22, March 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Went through the appearances again. Most are Zuckuss/Ooryl appearances.  Noted them.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 03:56, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ah, one more thing: You'll need to consult some of the behind-the-scenes material, art books, etc. regarding Empire for information about the concept and creation of the Gand species. You may already have a bunch of this info in the Zuckuss article; if so, just rewrite it and insert it in there. ~ SavageBob 06:53, March 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nicked and reworded some stuff from Zuckuss's article for some Bts expansion.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 07:46, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Lead: Do they refer to themselves in 3rd person by default in any language or only in Basic? This might be a good time to mention the Gand language.
 * I'll need to double-check, but it seems to be predominantly in Basic for that.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 07:46, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Clarified.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 03:56, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Bio & app: "insectine"? Is this term used in the OS? "Insectoid" would be more in keeping with other such species.
 * That must have been added by an anon and I must've missed it. I usually use "insectoid." Fixed now.   Trak Nar  Ramble on 07:46, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Bio & app: Who expected the breathers to die out or evolve?
 * Not sure, but GG3 said it. So, I would assume xenobiologists.  Added.   Trak Nar  Ramble on 07:46, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Bio & app: Oxygen exposure requires replacement lungs? Does the OS elaborate on what these would be? Are we talking transplants? Cybernetics?
 * Transplants. Specified.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 07:46, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Bio & app: "Gands stricken with oxygen inhalation were not expected to survive for very long." Not expected by whom? Can we rewrite in active voice?
 * Rewritten.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 07:46, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Bio & app: Findsmen needs some context upon first mention. More later! ~ SavageBob 06:43, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Further expansion of Findsmen in the sub-section, as due to fatigue and sleepiness, I misread this. Now to tackle it in the B&a section...  Trak Nar  Ramble on 08:11, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Tackled. I'll double-check the article tomorrow after I get some sleep.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 08:16, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * History: "Pocket colonies" is in quotes. Can you stub this as an article if this is something Gand-specific, say who you're quoting, or rephrase so that the quotes aren't necessary?
 * Nixed quotes and made a stub for pocket colony.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 21:23, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * History: Same for "alien quarters." Are the quotes necessary?
 * Nixed quotes.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 21:23, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * "He admitted to finding the ceremony unsettling." Who is he here, Cracken or Ooryl?
 * Specified.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 21:23, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think you can expand the "History" section quite a bit more by checking The Essential Atlas. This will tell you where Gand the planet fell during various conflicts. Let me know if you don't have access to the book. ~ SavageBob 19:45, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thankfully, I have the book. Unfortunately, it lacks a decent index, so it looks like the rest of this evening will be spent scanning the book for every single usage of "Gand."  Trak Nar  Ramble on 21:23, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Amazon's searchable version turns up no hits for "Gand," but I was thinking more along the lines of looking at the maps to see where the planet Gand fell during various eras of galactic history. ~ SavageBob 00:37, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's pretty much exactly what I did this evening. I have notes written up, I'll be expanding the History section with that.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 03:21, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Oh yeah, expanded the History section. Hooray for stuff extrapolated from maps.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 07:37, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Bit more before I revisit the older objections. Soc & cult: "a potentially lethal atmosphere comprised of ammonia" -- Potentially lethal to Gands? To oxygen-breatehrs? Who?
 * Specified.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 20:49, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * "helped deter the galaxy as a whole" -- deter them from doing what?
 * Spoecified.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 20:49, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Soc & cult: I changed a "he" to "he or she," assuming they have two sexes. If they do, this should perhaps be mentioned in Bio & appearance.
 * NEGAS and EGAS both made the mentions of females (usually in regards to the Gand using name reduction), so they apparently have two sexes. Specified.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 20:49, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Soc & cult: "Mastering a skill, such as becoming a findsman, allowed for the use of the given name, all with third-person self-reference." I'm unclear on what the last bit of this sentence means. Is it that becoming a findsman let them use a given name and third-person pronouns? Or was the third-person thing applicable to all Gands?
 * Specified.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 20:49, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Soc & cult: "name reduction" -- quotes necessary?
 * Nope. Nixed.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 20:49, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Soc & cult: Gands exiled -- exiled from where? Their community or the planet?
 * Specified.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 20:49, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Soc & cult: I reworded the bit about tracking down fugitives to avoid assumption of gender. And since this is Star Wars, I couldn't even use "he or she"!
 * Soc & cult: The paragraph on the history and foundation of the findsman should probably be moved to "History." Will finish up the review soon. :) ~ SavageBob 20:33, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Cutting for a pasting right now...  Trak Nar  Ramble on 20:49, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Soc & cult: Oh, one more thing: Do the RPG stats from WEG or WOTC mention that findsman are, in fact, Force-sensitive? Game stats are canon, so this would allow for a less speculative wording if these sources do assert this. ~ SavageBob 20:34, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yes, they do. I have Alien Anthology sitting right beside me and in the findsman prestige class section, it lists all the Force skills they can use.  If I recall, Scum & Villainy also said so, but I don't have it with me to check, same with my other sources that are on another computer. Also, for what it's worth, one of my 4-LOM sources, specifically the Official Starships and Vehicles Collextion 38 says "Jabba paired 4-LOM with the bounty hunter Zuckuss, a member of the naturally force-sensitive Gand sub-species. These little findsmen were able to use their uncanny intuition to track possible future movements of their prey. "  Though, going by that, it may be safe to assume that at least one of the sub-species (breathers, since Zuckuss is one?) is Force-sensitive.   Trak Nar  Ramble on 20:49, March 14, 2011 (UTC)
 * It sounds like the Vehicles Collection is mistakenly labeling the findsmen as a subspecies. I'd be hesitant to take that to mean all breathers are Force-senstive. It may be worth noting the discrepancy in BTS, though. ~ SavageBob 20:54, March 14, 2011 (UTC)

Tm_T in gands nest

 * First quickie: in the Gands in the galaxy section, you are stating that the Jedi Exile obtained Ossluk's gloves, but AFAICT it's not confirmed, it's simply possibility and thus shouldn't be mentioned? –Tm_T (Talk) 08:37, March 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ooh, good point. I nixed that bit entirely, then.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 08:41, March 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Continuing about the section mentioned above: I'm sure you can tie up the Visquis-Goto gands together as these are the same Gand nest in the same battle. Noslee is possibly separate individual so prolly mention about him can go after or before the other KOTOR2 Gands.
 * Done.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 21:30, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Giving a timeframe for those above?
 * Relative timeframe given. I'll need to double-check the playthroughs for specifics.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 21:30, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Repetitive references, I'm not sure if you need to repeat the same ref for every sentence, especially if you manage to tie up those things together to make it obvious. (:
 * Tidied up, expanded a bit, and made a page for "Gand nest."  Trak Nar  Ramble on 21:30, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * More later. –Tm_T (Talk) 15:12, March 13, 2011 (UTC)

Ecks Dee

 * There seems to be a broken reference in the infobox. 1358  (Talk)  13:10, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * Typo on my part, because apparently Preview and I have had a falling out. Fixed now.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 21:33, March 9, 2011 (UTC)

Comments

 * An archive page for the first time this was nommed a year ago never seems to have been created --- for archiving purposes, can you hunt it down in the FAN page's history and create it (or ask an inq to) and rename this as "second nomination?" Even if it was only up for five minutes, it's still gotta be created. Menkooroo 05:19, March 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Done and done. Quite a hunt that was...  Trak Nar  Ramble on 05:49, March 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank ya. :D What can I say? I'm an archivist at heart. That's half the reason I edit here. Menkooroo 05:52, March 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Tackled two unnamed Gands so far, and gave them images. I'll need to switch computers for a third and then bug people for sources for a couple more.   Trak Nar  Ramble on 21:32, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * I'd be happy to help track down sources, but it'll take me another week before I can contribute to Wookieepedia with any regularity. ~ SavageBob 22:16, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * That'd be much appreciated, thank you. :) Basically, I need to find out any details about Random Gand #327 that was seen in a cantina on Onadax (if I recall correctly, I think he was involved in a sabacc game), and Random Gand #89 who served as a crewmember on the Scarlet Vertha.  I wanna make sure there wasn't anything specific about him aside that he served as a crewman. The third Gand I have covered, with his sources and images on another computer.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 22:20, March 9, 2011 (UTC)
 * In the meantime, I made stubs for those random Gands. Now all the redlinks are taken care of.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 04:23, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * Made a page for Gand martial arts.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 08:18, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Made pages for Gand nest and pocket colony.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 21:54, March 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Got a couple questions I'm hoping to get some insight on. In Rogue Squadron, when asked about his speech patterns, Ooryl apparently did not know what a pronoun was. This could be a common thing with all Gand, or it could just be with Ooryl.  Also, in Slave Ship, Zuckuss commented that lungless Gands were "oxygen-breathers," implying that he doesn't know that they have no lungs.  Again, I dunno if this is a common belief in breathing Gands, or if Zuckuss simply needs to go back to science class.  Due to that, I am hesitant to add anything concerning those two things.  Trak Nar  Ramble on 04:35, March 14, 2011 (UTC)