Talk:501st Legion/Legends

Were the 501st Legion trained by the Separatists and/or Sith to kill Jedi? -- Eddyward Telerionus 22:28, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, only if you look at it from Palpatine's POV. The clones were his tools.  But, for all intents and purposes, they were commissioned to destroy the Separatists.  The purge of the Jedi Order was a later order, signifying their transition to the Empire. [[Image:Tbhelm.gif|30px]] Shadowtrooper talk 00:37, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Well, i don't believe that the 501st Legion fought against the Separatists. I believe that the 501st Legion was a top-secret military unit within the Grand Army of the Republic that was trained by the Sith to respond to Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious's command to kill Jedi. -- Eddyward Telerionus 10:47, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, I don't think it was that way. They didn't probally fight against the Separatists (save maybe for the ground battle of the Battle of Coruscant), because they were probally similiar to the Shocktroopers: for homeplanet defence. Now, maybe they were trained in secret, but I extremely doubt they were trained by Palpatine/Sidious to specifically attack and kill the Jedi. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:18, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Nobody knew about the 501st Legion except Palpatine/Darth Sidious. They were secretly trained by the Sith to enact a series of emergency protocols (including Order 66 against the Jedi). The 501st Legion Clone troopers were the first true stormtroopers. Would y'all consider ARC-trained Phase II Clone trooper commanders of other units to be agents of the 501st Legion? -- Eddyward Telerionus 06:29, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Incorrect. The 501st was well known. It definately wasn't a secret. QuentinGeorge 06:48, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Well, i need proof of this! -- Eddyward Telerionus 07:06, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Where's your proof it was a secret? QuentinGeorge 07:14, 17 Sep 2005 (UTC)

I don't have proof and nobody in the Republic knew the 501st Legion (except Palpatine/Sidious). -- Eddyward Telerionus 00:43, 18 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Battlefront II will probably shed light on the 501st.-LtNOWIS 01:00, 18 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, considering how a person is in control of a clone trooper of the 501st (and his/her actions will determine the fate of the Republic...), I don't think this will shed much light about the unit. Just my opinion, of course. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 12:05, 18 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Battles fought
Where are the sources for about half of those battles? I know the Clone Wars-era ones are right, but if the answer for the others is "Because of Battlefront II", that's incorrect. Also, the 501st Legion wasn't even active during the Battle of Geonosis. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 19:31, 30 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Listen, Xilentshadow, not everything in the games is true. Just because they're around in Battlefront II for those missions does not show that they were really in those battles. The 501st wasn't activated until a while after Geonosis, and there is nothing official to state that they happened to participate in the First Battle of Yavin Base or Hoth. Now, it's possible that they were really at Hoth due to Vader's arrival, but that is mere speculation. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:00, 30 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * "The 501st began just as any of the other initial clone units that blazed across the rocky deserts of Geonosis in the first historic battle of the Clone Wars. They seemed identical to the other clones that infiltrated the Separatist stronghold and pushed the Confederacy forces off-planet. Nonetheless, the Supreme Chancellor himself took special interest in the success record of the 501st." Star Wars Databank. I know at least that one is right. I assumed that since at least some of the story of Battlefront II is being put in the databank, all of it is canonical. For the battle of Yavin base or whatever, I figured that "Vader's fist" would at least follow vader onto yavin, or anywhere else he went. Xilentshadow900 23:03, 30 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, what it clearly shows is that many other clone units began at Geonosis, however, it might show that they were at Geonosis. But until good proof the clearly shows it is found, we really can't jump to conclusions. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:06, 30 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Also, it doesn't say that Vader was on Yavin during the battle. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:06, 30 Oct 2005 (UTC)