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 * Speedy delete is for anything that's obviously fanon or false, such as a naming error. Just tag it with and an admin will delete it soon. Havac 23:25, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

List of ship names.
Compiling that list must have taken forever. I hope I didn't butcher it too badly while skimming through it. Jwebb13 21:13, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Sig pic

 * You use the same one as me. I'm pretty sure I've had mine longer. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 04:47, 10 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Nah, I don't care. As long as you don't turn your sig green like mine. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 16:20, 10 September 2006 (UTC)

Templates
What purpose do your new templates serve? Template:VicStar, Template:ImpStar, Template:Strike, etc.--Darth OblivionComlink 20:15, 13 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I see none. I'm about to put a speedy on them. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:24, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * They are pretty usefull for cleaning up source code for various pages i thought. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 23:29, 14 September 2006 (UTC)
 * doutb it, you might want to talk to some of the admins about it though. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 00:24, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * ps nebulax probably didnt delete it since he really doesnt have that kind of power. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 00:25, 15 September 2006 (UTC)
 * RelentlessRecusant, stop creating those pointless templates. If you create any more of them, I will inform the administrators. They will delete those templates, and they may just ban you. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 15:11, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * The only people I like to see banned are vandals. I do not wish to see you banned. However, Wookieepedia has a policy. Those templates were and are going to be deleted. If you continue to create them, you may get banned for that. It's in the administrators' hands, not mine. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 15:23, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * As to your "what's wrong with a few extra templates?", the answer is simple: Wookieepedia is not a place to create templates like that. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 15:26, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * RelentlessRecusant, please do not leave Wookieepedia. This is simply a minor issue. In the past, I've cause one person to leave, and he was a very good friend of mine. I don't want to see you be the second person who leaves because of me. I know I'm being a major jerk, but it's only because I'm following the policy of Wookieepedia. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 15:31, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * WOuldnt be a problem if you didnt have your little complex now would it Nebs? Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 16:01, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Stop throwing insults at anyone. The consensus track is already on its way. Either if we decide to keep or delete the templates, it will no longer be a personal debate between you and Neb, the community got involved by the consensus track. - TopAce 16:03, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * just to clear it up, i dont call him Nebs Nebby or Jacky Boy as insults. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 16:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I was thinking of this "personal complex" thing. - TopAce 16:10, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * And Ugluk, don't call me Nebs, Nebby, or Jacky Boy. I'm not a little kid. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:48, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I will say what I've already said: Let the community decide on the consensus track. I don't think Relentless Recusant should leave. I don't think this template thing is worth arguing over. And Ugluk, whatever you are mad at Nebulax about, cool it please. I'm really tempted to ask an admin to consider a cooldown ban on you. You've pretty much been rude the whole discussion. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 21:11, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Nebulax and Atarumaster are right, you shouldn't leave over this. I happen to agree with Nebulax on this one but I think it'd be a real shame if we can't manage to resolve this without anyone feeling too hard done by. Green tentacle 23:00, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

Let's let diplomacy have a shot
And as I see it, here's their side: "These new templates are not very useful to the community at large. They will not be used much and there's always copy and paste."
 * RelentlessRecusant, I would like to encourage you NOT to leave Wookieepedia. I also believe you can do good work here. This template issue really is minor in the grand scheme of things. Right now, it's in the hands of the community- the consensus track will decide. It's not worth arguing with Nebulax about. Look, if the templates are deleted, I can help you make a subpage where you can copy and paste the text from by having two browser windows open. You have your subpage with the code on 1 window and have the article you're working on in the other browser window. This is not worth leaving about, and I really wish you wouldn't. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 21:05, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, like I said, I wish you wouldn't leave. I think part of the problem is when people start attaching emotions to impersonal objects. Yeah, the templates might make things easier, but in the long run, is it worth getting mad at other people or leaving something that once was fun? If you can, try and put yourself in the shoes of the opposing side. If you don't agree with him, at least try and see his point. Ultimately, you have the choice of what you are going to do. I believe the option with the most maturity would be to continue the work you've started, put this mess behind you, and maybe take a little Wookiee vacation to cool down. It's up to you, but your leaving will only really affect one person here: you. Well, no matter what you choose, my best wishes go with you. Cheers. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 22:27, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, call me an idealistic fool, but to some extent, I care about what happens to every Wookieepedian. I've tried my hardest to get along with every user. I don't like it when we fight amongst ourselves. I'm not sure what the "not exactly" is in reference to, but I am glad you enjoy the Jedi Order sig pic. Jedi rule. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 22:35, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * OK, as I see it, here's your side: "The new templates make it easier for me to put in links for their ship classes. It saves me time and effort."

My opinion doesn't matter, although there's no great conspiracy against you. I think both sides should come to a reasonable compromise. And involving Ugluk probably wasn't the best idea, I haven't seen too much from him in this discussion that I like.

Sith order pics, boy there are so many.


 * I just finished reading what you wrote (I'm using two browser windows). Look, Nebulax did not put the delete tag on the templates because he's evil. Like you, he has a sincerely held position. You just happen to disagree. I've already seen his reasoning on his talk page- I've looked everywhere this issue was mentioned. I do things like that. I see both of your points of view. I'm just trying to reconcile them. I'll talk to Nebulax as well, if you want. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 22:45, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Eh, the Sith were never too big on pretty pictures. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 22:47, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * We would never do anything of the sort. Look, I'm about to talk to Nebulax on your behalf. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 22:49, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, I'm not an offical mediator/negotiator or anything. That job description should belong to every Wookieepedian if you ask me. Circular metal shiny thing? That's a . . . uh . . . Kool-Aid dispenser. Yeah.

I believe this is the official policy Nebulax keeps sort of citing without actually saying where it's from:

''Templates in the article namespace exist only to help readers. These can include navigation aids, or warnings that content is sub-standard. Templates that provide information only of service to editors belong on an article's talk page. '' from Template. I think that last part is what he means. What do I know? Atarumaster88  ( Audience Chamber ) 23:01, 16 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Petition to change the policy? Well, if you really want to, go to "recent changes", "find admin", pick one of them. The two highest level admins, or bureaucrats, are Riffsyphon1024 and WhiteBoy. I mean, really the Senate Hall was your best bet if you want something changed. Okay, what I'm suggesting here is sort of controversial, so please don't get offended: Let it go. Edit using copy/paste. Do it their way. Let them win, not because they're right, but because you are mature enough to accept their stubbornness on the issue. Is it fair? No. Do you get anything out of it? Probably not. Do your templates get used? Probably not. Is it the mature thing to do? I think so, although I can honestly say I don't know if I could do it myself. I hope I could. It's just a thought. Whatever you do, be on your politest wording, and please don't ask Ugluk to help again with Nebulax. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 23:09, 16 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, as much as I know, the number of people who use your templates is not one of the things I know. I will be happy to help in anything non-confrontational you need my help with. I'm glad you're probably not leaving, and I know you will be a good member of Wookieepedia, because you believe in what you do. Eh, Nebulax can be a bit grouchy, but he's had a bad week on some other things. He's been turned down for adminship twice, despite having the 2nd highest number of edits ever. I've talked to him, but I'm not sure if he's on right now. My advice is to let it go, or at least wait awhile before discussing changes to template policy. I have to sign off for now- RL stuff, and diplomacy makes me hungry. You're most welcome. Good to chat with you. Happy editing. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 23:22, 16 September 2006 (UTC)

RE
what im gonna do is just take a few weeks off. ps i love how you ALWAYS end with cheers! Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 00:42, 18 September 2006 (UTC) pps im leaving lurtz in charge, he's capable ;).

RE: List of Starships
No problem RR. As a Wookieepedian, I have to give the source for anything, even if from Wikipedia and considering that you were the primary editor of that page, there was no reason to claim it as our own. -- Riffsyphon1024 22:46, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

Template:StarshipDetails
Is your new StarshipDetails template really necessary? The individual ship infobox already serves that pupose&hellip; – 23:30, 19 September 2006 (UTC) I am not sure what you mean.Can you clarify? Thanks, 00:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry that it has taken a while to get back to you. I haven't been around for a few days. To answer your question, in order to hide the technical specifications field you just have to add the statement "|hidet=true" to the template call. I fixed the Ahazi article for you. As for your last question:
 * I think that the reason we don't list standard ship class statistics in individual ship articles is that we wish to keep the infoboxes as condensed as possible. Also, if those statistics are found to be incorrect, they would have to be changed within all those ship articles rather than just the ship class articles. As such, it is easier to just list the ship specifications that vary from the standard specs for the relevant ship class.– 05:27, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

RE

 * It was just fuel to a bunch of fights. besides it was just a wookieevation. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 22:58, 21 September 2006 (UTC)
 * by the way why dont you go over to the consensus track and vote on scroll boxes. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 23:11, 21 September 2006 (UTC)

ISD-I debate

 * Hey RR i would like to give you a little advice about the ISD-I article: just let it go for now. jack has been particularly warhawkish today and yesterday so you might want to wait before you correct it.  be the more mature one. Ugluk: Destroyer of Redlinks 15:47, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * There's nothing to correct, though. We currently are using a compromise on the armament because we can't choose from one source and say the other ones made a mistake. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 15:48, 24 September 2006 (UTC)

Jaina Solo Quote
Your very welcome RelentessRecusant. I hope it gets to be the Quote of the day. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) 23:04, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * LOL, copy that Rogue 5. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg|25px]] 23:15, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Let's get this over with now, Rogue 5 cover me I'm going in for the kill. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg|25px]] 23:23, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * We need all the help we could get. I've got one corellian ship on my tail. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg|25px]] 23:39, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Hold on Rogue 5 I'm coming to help you, move over to the right so I can shoot him down. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg|25px]] 23:50, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
 * A Star Destroyer?! Stay put I'm coming in there to rescue you, Rogue Leader out. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg|25px]] 00:10, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Mon Adapyne has arrived, hold on we're on our way Rogue 5. Jaina Solo ( Goddess Stuff ) [[Image:Jaina_sig.jpg|25px]] 23:10, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Mon Calamari starships template
Could you move the new template to "Template:Mon Calamari starships" or something similar to be more in keeping with the names of similar templates, please? I'd do it myself but didn't want to move it while you are working on it. Green tentacle 11:25, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Never mind, since it looked like you've stopped working on it I've done it already. It's moved to Template:Mon Calamari starship classes when you get back to it. Hope that's okay. Green tentacle 12:05, 27 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks good.Green tentacle 20:50, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

Fanfic

 * Is it okay if I mention the RR in my fanfic? BTW, what about very non-denominational speed-draw blaster gun duels? Are those okay here? Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 04:11, 28 September 2006 (UTC)

Truth and Reconciliation

 * RelentlessRecusant, a new page has been formed designed to create some semblance of continuity and order among the fanfics of several users, including yourself. Feel free to look it over and contribute. Directed by "Cheland Lee", details can be found here. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.jpg|20px]] ( Audience Chamber ) 22:38, 28 September 2006 (UTC)