Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/Unidentified mustachioed individual

Unidentified mustachioed humanoid (Chalmun's Spaceport Cantina)

 * Nominated by:  Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  03:37, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Thanks to Kilson for a pre-nom review of this article.

Support

 * 1) It was my pleasure.  Kilson ( Let's have a chat ) 03:50, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * 2) Assuming you've gotten all the sources and appearances listed for this character. Hanzo Hasashi 17:06, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Gold

 * Where in Cantina Roll-call does it say that all of those characters sat together? Did you mean to source that statement to this picture?
 * Wow! I didn't know about this picture. Man, that changes a lot of things. Could someone upload this picutre and also a close up shot on the guy's face? It would be greatly appreciate since I will be trying to take care of some of the other objections.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  12:24, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * I can upload it for ya if you want. Just to confirm: You want the whole thing and a closeup of the mustachioed face?
 * Also, be careful --- you've now sourced most of the first paragraph, including the part about Luke and Obi-Wan entering the cantina, to the Clone Cadets episode guide. It'll need to still be source to ANH. I think you can source the statement about who he was sitting with to the episode guide rather than Cantina Roll-call, which doesn't seem to say anything about who was sitting with who. If you're worried about sourcing their names, it's not really necessary --- sourcing the source that contains the picture is fine. Like, if Darth Vader appeared in a comic issue but wasn't named, you wouldn't have to source anything else to say that he was Darth Vader.
 * I changed it now. The reason I am sourcing with Cantina Roll-call is because it identifies the species, gender, and names of the characters. And yes I want both pictures, one for the body of the article and one (the close-up) for the infobox.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  15:04, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * I got the main image, but could you still get a closeup of his face for the infobox. Thank you.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  23:21, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Another for the sources section for ya: That same picture appears in Hem Dazon's CSWE entry (Volume I).
 * Added.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  12:27, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you give context on Luke and Ben in the intro (and additionally on Luke in the body)? Yes, context is needed on every character. :)
 * Better?-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  15:04, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Can you mention that the boarding of the Tantive IV took place above Tatooine? Otherwise it just seems like a tangent.
 * How is this?-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  12:34, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * The BTS shifts from present to past tense in the last sentence.
 * Fixed-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  12:24, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * There's still some inconsistency (he is seated is present tense). I think present might actually be your best bet throughout. Give it a try.
 * Alrighty, here it is.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  15:04, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Two objections that challenge basic assumptions about this character that have been made since the article was created, but...
 * Is his skin really gold? It sure doesn't look gold in the picture here, which is a much better and clearer photo. File:Gold-skin.jpg seems to just be a poor-quality picture with really bad lighting, as Pons Limbic's skin looks pretty metallic and gold in it as well.
 * Yeah, you're right, what color would you suggest I call his skin now.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  12:24, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Kinda looks like Trinto Duaba with a moustache. Maybe gray?
 * I think it is more like tan color, so that is what I added. But if you disagree I will change it to gray.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  15:04, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Also, is there any reason to believe and definitively state that this individual of an unknown species is a man? We know that Human males generally only have moustaches, but can we make that assumption about a totally unknown species? I don't think the duck test applies here. Menkooroo 06:48, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Well I guess he looks like a male to me, but I guess you can never be sure, if I change this and the part about gold skin what should the article be named?-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  12:24, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Maybe "Unidentified mustachioed Humanoid (Chalmun's Spaceport Cantina)" ?
 * I am moving the page.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  15:04, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * For what it's worth, in real life there are women with facial hair, such as the bearded women in circus freak shows. Hanzo Hasashi 03:23, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Also: It looks like this guy is visible in the background of a common picture of Bom Vindin. I think you'll have to any source that that photo appears in. Right off the bat, I can tell you that it's in  and, but it's probably worth checking out to see if it's in Star Wars: Behind the Magic, , , , and Star Wars: The Official Starships & Vehicles Collection 1, all of which are listed as Sources in Vindin's article.
 * Yeah, could someone check these for me, seeing as how I do not have any of these sources. IT would be greatly appreciated.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  12:24, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * User:Borsk Fey'lya is the guy to ask for Fact Files. User:Winchester 327 has Behind the Magic and Star Wars: The Official Starships & Vehicles Collection 1. They're both friendly guys; if you ask them on their talk pages, they'll no doubt help you out. The ccg card is here, and it looks like our mustachioed friend was basically airbrushed out of the background, so I don't think you need to include it.
 * Also, thanks for being so cool about these objections. Movie characters --- especially ones from memorable scenes like the cantina scene --- are generally more difficult to do than you might think, if only in terms of source hunting. With that said, the quality of the article won't be diminished if a few possible pictures of Bom Vindin are missing from the Sources section, so I'll be happy to strike this objection as soon as you make the inquiries, provided that you eventually add the Sources if they end up being applicable. Menkooroo 13:58, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sorry to butt in but, Exiledjedi, keep in mind that it's the nominator's responsibility to check for all sources prior to nomination. Since this gold-skinned man dates back to 1977, it might take a while to find sources, but Menkooroo was nice enough to list a few for you. Don't always trust any leftover things that what was once in the article before you expanded it; the sources within the old version of the article might have been incomplete.  JangFett  (Talk) 14:04, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * No I am the one who should be sorry, I will try to do better next time.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  15:04, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * I left messages about the other sources on the suggested users' talk pages.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  15:40, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Borsk said that there was not anything he could find on the mustached man in the Fact files. He also said, "Leland Chee is "convinced it's Trinto Duaba with a moustache." " What should I do about this since the link goes to the annoying pit droid?-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  18:39, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Huh. The forums are already gone. Wellll... shit. Menkooroo 00:00, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Tm T archived the post here. Phew. Dammit, Tm is awesome. Like, really awesome. Menkooroo 00:29, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Inside the Worlds of the Original Trilogy includes a (sketched) picture of the table that this guy is sitting at. If he's there, he can only be seen from the back, but I think we can probably say that he's there. I have a scan of that page, so e-mail me at gradualferguson@hotmail.com and I can send it to you if you want. Menkooroo 07:05, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Got it.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  12:24, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * The intro says that Luke's a moisture farmer, while the bio asserts that he's a former moisture farmer. Which is it?
 * I changed the intro to former moisture farmer.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  12:34, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * The intro's nearly as long as the bio. Keep in mind that the intro should only give a summary of the most basic information and should be even more focused on the article's subject than the bio. The mention of the droids and the listing of aliens that this guy is sitting with probably aren't all that necessary for the intro.
 * I removed the part about the droids, but I left the part about who this individual was sitting with, so that the intro was more than one sentence.
 * Here's Leland's post about how he believes that the character uses Trinto's mask but with a mustache on it. Prime bts material.
 * I think I got it right.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  12:34, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * No wait, it isn't right, what am I doing wrong with this?-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  12:38, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Cite_web is a bit tricky. You actually got everything perfect, save for "url=" which was missing in front of the URL. I added it in for ya.
 * Also, here's the image you wanted for the infobox. Menkooroo 05:45, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you, now I can stop seeing that awful previous picture.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  12:34, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * As Leland wasn't around in 1997 and doesn't seem 100% confident about his answer, I think it might be best to indicate that he believes the mask to be the same as Trinto's. You could also lead the bts with a quote taken from Leland's post. Quotes are fun! :) Menkooroo 13:05, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Yeah, here it is.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  13:35, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Savaged&hellip;

 * Isn't this guy Trinto Duaba? The image from the Clone Cadets episode guide seems to be of Duaba with his head back, and the "mustache" is just shadow on his upper lip, as his mouth appears to be open. ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 22:13, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * I do not think so, here is Duaba:
 * And here is this individual:
 * I do not find them very similar at all.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  23:06, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * It's the same guy. It's just that the mask is tilted back. Look at the patterns of dark and light on his face; they are identical. How do you find them dissimilar? ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 00:00, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * For one thing, Trinto's eyes are more sunken, Trinto's nose is sloped downwards more, Trinto's chin is more pointed.
 * And after showing the picture at full size:
 * It becomes clear that the individual does have a mustache, and he has hair poking out from under his hood where Trinto is bald. The only thing I see about them that they have in common is the hoods they wear and their cheekbones.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  00:19, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Leland is convinced it's the same mask, but with a moustache. Seems to indicate that it's a different character. Isn't Trinto sitting at a different table, anyway? Menkooroo 00:29, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * I think I agree with him. Things become murky due to the Stennes's ability to shapeshift, but if Leland thinks it's a separate character, I'm cool with that. Once the link to his message is sorted out, I'm cool I guess. ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 00:32, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * I just checked The Making of Star Wars: The Definitive Story Behind the Original Film, and he is not pictured there. He is pictured in Star Wars: Chronicles, p. 76. He's at a table with Bom Vimdin, Brainiac, and an Arcona (Hem Dazon?).
 * Added.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  12:36, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * You should add to BTS that he was part of supplemental shooting for the cantina scene that took place in the US after principal photography had concluded. You can source this to "Cantina Roll-Call." ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 22:25, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Added.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  16:38, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Hanzo Hasashi

 * If this individual's gender is unidentified, remove the category of males, and I noticed that you mentioned "he" to describe this alien at one point in the BTS, remove that too. Also this is optional and not really an objection, but could you also find other articles linking to this character's page, and change them so they don't describe this character as being male? I could do that part for you too, if you wanted. Hanzo Hasashi 03:23, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * I took care of all the instances I could find.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  15:31, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

Comments
Just another example of the kind of article I like to write.-- Exiled Jedi   (Greetings)  03:37, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Here is a list of sources that I think this individual may be in that I do not have:
 * Star Wars: Complete Locations
 * Star Wars Official Poster Monthly 12
 * Star Wars: Chronicles
 * Star Wars Encyclopedia
 * Star Wars Official Poster Monthly 18
 * If anyone would like to search for me in one of these sources please put your name under the appropriate source.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  15:50, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * I would appreciate it.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  15:50, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * Complete Locations is a collection of all of the Inside the Worlds books, so he's definitely in it (in the same image as in Inside the Worlds of Star Wars Trilogy, reprinted). The Bom Vindin picture is in Star Wars Encyclopedia, but it's cropped and doesn't include our mustachioed friend. Menkooroo 16:06, June 7, 2011 (UTC)
 * I tried to upload a recrop of the image that would be the same width as the infobox (basically just including more of the orange wall to the right of the pic), but it's currently displaying all wonky due to Wikia's image caching. An admin may need to force a cache purge or whatever other magic they can do. ~ Savage  BOB sig.png 15:16, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I think its fixed now.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  15:30, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I think its fixed now.-- Exiled Jedi  Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings)  15:30, June 8, 2011 (UTC)