Talk:Death Star II/Legends

Somebody keeps reverting the external link from Mike Wong's site. A commentary on Death Star I firepower, has nothing to do with Death Star II. Other than that, Jack Something could just be another Darth Wong fanboy. 66.189.171.19 23:06, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, wrong. Just because they have different numbers doesn't mean that the link only talks about the first Death Star's firepower. Considering they're both superlasers, they have a relatively same amount of firepower. So, the link is important to the article. I'm not a "Darth Wong" fanboy. I just make sure everything is the right way here. And at least I have a name. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:10, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, if you go to StarDestroyer.net, and go to the forums, Mike Wong's forum name, is Darth Wong. That's who I was talking about. No, they're not the same. DSII is larger, which (only usually) means more powerful. And as I can see you have been snooping around, reverting many of my articles. I would not like to have a stalker. As for the reason I haven't named myself, I've only seriously been on Star Wars Wiki for about a month. And I can keep editing the article as long as I want. Got it? 66.189.171.19 23:13, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, a superlaser is a superlaser. They can destroy planets and captial ships. That link is informative and relevant. You can edit it all you'd like, but I'll always put it back to the way it should be. And I'm not a stalker, just an article fixer. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:15, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Nah, don't worry. I'll be editing it as much as I can. 66.189.171.19 23:16, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * You do know that you could get easily banned or I could get an administrator to lock this page up, don't you? All of us Wookieepedians know that, as I have had a few pages locked up by my request before. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:18, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I can go the other way, (not about locking the page). I could get you banned for snooping around and editing my corrections. 66.189.171.19 23:23, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, I just fix these articles. So, I'm basically correcting your corrections. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:24, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Plus, Nebula here has a pretty solid rep, where as you are an annonymous user. Who do you think the admins will side with? Make sure you can back up your claims before you make them -- SFH 23:30, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * And you would be? Let me guess, the Star Wars version of a Trekkie. 66.189.171.19 23:33, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * After all this "Heck," fine, I'll give in. 66.189.171.19 23:39, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * And you would be? Let me guess, the Star Wars version of a Trekkie. - says the contributor to the Star Wars Wikipedia...Kuralyov 00:11, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Locked

 * This page has been locked due to an edit war. Once this issue has been resolved, see a moderator to get it unlocked. QuentinGeorge 00:31, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Quentin, I'm glad that whole issue on the Jedi Purge was solved. You seem to be a very good ally now. Anyways, O anonymous user, we here at Star Wars Wikipedia make sure that everything it is the way it is supposed to be. When edit wars break out, the page is requested to be locked so no one can edit it until this is resolved. And, if you are to start this up again after it's unlocked, it will just get locked again. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 01:30, 25 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * If he starts it up again after it gets unlocked, he'll be lucky if we don't just ban him and leave the page open. But let's hope it doesn't come to that. – Aidje talk 06:02, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Can this get unlocked now? Kuralyov 06:44, 20 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * I wasn't even aware that it was still locked. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 13:15, 20 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Unlocked now. -- Riffsyphon1024 01:09, 21 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 21:29, 21 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Death Star I VS Death Star II
If the second one is more powerful than the first, how come D.S. 1 blew up a planet (Alderaan) on contact, when it took D.S. 2 a second to blow up a Mon Calamari Star Cruiser? Double D 19:24, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC) When you say planetary shield, do you mean an energy shield or the planet's atmospere? Double D 19:15, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Well, there could be a few ideas, but perhaps since the battle station was still incomplete, the weapon might not be as powerful as the first Death Star's yet. What it says about that the Death Star II's superlaser was more powerful might refer to it when the station was fully complete. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 20:50, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Maybe it was just on a lower setting, given that they knew they were firing on something much smaller than a planet. Also, Alderaan was not destroyed on contact. If you watch closely you can see the entire planetary shield light up before the explosion. Image:Destruction of Alderaan-1.jpeg shows the shield beginning to light up. – Aidje talk 21:58, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm, there's something else I found out. I never knew that Alderaan had a planetary shield. Anyhow, it could have been set down on a lower setting. That's another possiblity. Who knows what Palpatine wanted done. Cmdr. J. Nebulax 23:18, 3 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * An energy shield surrounding a planet, like a "deflector shield atmosphere". Cmdr. J. Nebulax 22:30, 4 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's just a shield surrounding the entire planet. See planetary shield. – Aidje talk 06:05, 5 Oct 2005 (UTC)
 * The second Death Star supported more weapons and the superlaser, however at the same power, was more efficient, and could be fired more often (around once every 5 minutes as opposed to the 24 hour recharge time of the original weapon). Also, the design flaw of the older Death Star was corrected by the exhaust ports no longer leading directly to the main reactor. The only flaws in the second Death Star were the IG-88 problem below, and the Emperors' desire to launch his weapon before the fortified hull was completed.
 * Exactly. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 15:58, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

Two Years?
Latest update says "this Death Star took much less time (around two years) to construct." Anyone able to tell me what the sources were for this...? Thanks! --McEwok 04:48, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * Eh, it was my best estimate. I don't really think we have a source, but the ROTJ opening crawl says that the Empire has been constructing one, yet it doesn't give an exact period of time. Since I doubt they would have just thrown one together in a few months, considering the long period of time it took for the first one, around 15 years in between the end of Revenge of the Sith and A New Hope. General Kenobi 05:52, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * According to Galaxy Guide 5: Return of the Jedi (from West End Games), Bevel Lemelisk went into hiding after the destruction of the first DS, fearing for his life, since the DS was brought down by a simple design-flaw. When he was tracked down on Hefi, the Emperor simply wanted him to design another battlestation, this time without the exhaust-flaw. So that makes it 2-3 years to reach the DS II's state in ROTJ. VT-16 15:09, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It is still very strange that the battle station could be completed by the Battle of Endor. Admiral J. Nebulax 19:42, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * It wasn't complete, about 60% or so. They just rushed the superlaser-section as fast as they could, leaving most of the other facilities to be done at a later time. Then there's also the two "twin mini-DS" stations being made in orbit around Coruscant ("The Illustrated SW universe"), which were also never completed. But they might have begun construction prior to the completion of the DS I, for all we know. VT-16 20:45, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I didn't mean that it was completely completed. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:04, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, sorry. VT-16 23:42, 22 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Don't worry about it. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:27, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * 69.123.198.128, are you User:Adamwankenobi? Because if you aren't, don't edit what he wrote. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 15:47, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

IG-88
Hey, I'm new to Wookieepedia (and Wikis in general), but I noticed on the Death Star II page, there was no mention of IG-88 uploading himself into the great weapon. I don't know if this was done on purpose, or just simply overlooked.

Anyway, I copied and pasted a few lines from the IG-88 article, and edited them around a bit to fit the Death Star II article better. If that shouldn't be there, then I apologize!

Impeal 07:43, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Impeal, it's perfectly okay. That bit of information was overlooked and thank you for adding it. -- Riffsyphon1024 07:53, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Hmm, I thought I had saw a bit on that in the article before... Admiral J. Nebulax 12:43, 23 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Death Star size
Hey there. I'm new to wookieepedia, so I hope you don't mind me asking this question. I know the second Death Star is 900km in diameter - I'm not dispuing that - but the thing that makes me wonder is why is the second one so much larger than the first(which only had a diameter of around 160km). I saw a comparison of the two once, and the first DS wouldn't even cover the second one's superlaser dish. You would think that they could just build 10 DS1s instead. Anyway, I would be very grateful for any responses made. Thanks in advance for your time. User 81.132.81.203
 * Well, at least you're not vandalizing the page like another anon (or anons) did, and I thank you for that. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:26, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

Um... no it was not my intent to vandalise the page. I was just wondering why the second DS is so much larger. If I'm being a pain and this has been already answered elsewhere then I apologise. User 81.132.81.203
 * No, not at all. Just as long as you don't change something in the article without a source. Anyway, you don't have to worry about it. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:54, 13 April 2006 (UTC)

At risk of getting us back to topic... User 81.132.81.203
 * Okay, then, back on topic: Where did you see a comparison of the first and second Death Stars? Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:33, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I honestly can't remember where - it was one of the forums on the web, but it had the Executor(barely a pinprick) the DS1 (120km) and the Death Star 2(900 km) side-by-side. If I can find it I'll put it up. It just struck me as weird that the second one must have had 100 times the volume of the first. 81.132.81.203

Sorry, just realised the back-on-topic thing might have sounded a bit rude. It wasn't meant to be - I just was a bit thrown by how we got from the original question to vandalism. User 81.132.81.203
 * Don't worry about it. Anyway, I think I might have seen this chart somewhere before. I'll also look. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 18:50, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

No need. Finally found it. User 81.132.81.203 http://www.sfdebris.com/deathstars.jpg
 * Thank you very much. It's wierd, because in the movies, you can't really tell that the Death Star II is that much larger than the Death Star I. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:19, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

Exactly. That's why I was asking about the relative diameters and why the second one was so much bigger. The 120/160km figures may be wrong, but they do seem to be a much more plausible upscaling, rather than a DS2 at 5 times the diameter and probably 200 times the volume. On a side note, the same site I found that in has a shot of the DS2 compared to Texas. Scarily large, innit? User 81.132.81.203
 * Well, the figures we have are canon, so they can't be wrong. And as for the second Death Star compared to Texas, yes, that's "scarily large", as you put it. However, that comparison seems reasonable. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:22, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

I'm not saying it isn't canon, I'm just wondering why the second one was so much bigger. Was it a psychological warfare thing("you blew up one, so we built another one five times the size") or did it have to do with the new, improved power systems? User 81.132.81.203
 * Well, it could very well be both. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:06, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

Fair enough. Also possibly Palpatine's ego at work - building such a huge battlestation could be the ultimate affirmation that the Empire was unbeatable. If it was so much larger, yet built in a much shorter time, it gives a good account of their near limitless resources. User 81.132.81.203