Talk:Lumiya

Copyright
This article looks to be almost entirely (if not completely) copied from (Databank article). And according to the 'terms of use ' of the site,
 * Any use of any of the materials on this Site other than for private, non-commercial viewing purposes is strictly prohibited.

Certainly doesn't sound like it allows the material to be submitted to a wiki. --Maru


 * Added copyvio tag, but I don't know how to make the URL pretty. --Eion 18:44, 29 May 2005 (UTC)


 * Ok, so I noticed the copyright problem when I was researching Lumiya to write a wikipedia article- I'm gonna copy it over to the tem page; there are no copyright issues with that version, since all my contributions are public domain, and it includes no quotes or pics. --Maru

Naming
This should be at Shira Brie, shouldn't it? QuentinGeorge 22:14, 4 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I thought that when faced with two semi-equal names, the convention was to go with the one the character used last, similar to using the last held rank/title. She began as Shira Brie, but became Lumiya. Is that incorrect? --SparqMan 00:05, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)


 * Correct, but "Lumiya" is technically a Sith name, like Darth Tyranus. The Ep3 Novel and VD state that  Dooku thought of himself solely as "Darth Tyranus" for the entire Clone Wars, yet we still have his page at Dooku. (Also, check out Revan and Malak). QuentinGeorge 00:20, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * As an added note, I think we make an exception if their birth name is considered quite obscure (as in Padmé Naberrie or Mith'what'ever'it'is for Thrawn) --Fade 00:31, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * I realize the Dooku situation, but I guess the difference was that she completely abandoned Shira Brie when she became Lumiya, as Vader did with Anakin (except that he came back in the end). --SparqMan 00:35, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Lumiya states in Marvel Star Wars #96 that her full name is Shira Elan Colla Brie. Jan 31, 2006

Not Darth
Excuse me for my complete unfamiliarity with the post-Endor era. (Actually, I have reasons for it, but never mind.) The quesion is: if Lumiya indeed followed the tradition of having a Sith alias, why isn't she a Darth? - Sikon 12:34, 29 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Not all Sith have the Darth title/name. QuentinGeorge 21:57, 29 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * I haven't seen her ever call herself Darth Lumiya or be called that by anyone else. --SparqMan 00:41, 30 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Lumiya isn't a Sith
Lumiya is no Sith Lady. She is a Dark Jedi. She may be a Sith underling like the ones the Sith used before the Rule of Two, but she definitely doesn't belong to the "Dark Lord" category. The Databank says nothing about Lumiya being a Sith. Her being a Sith Lady is merely a theory, it isn't canon. Her only canon connection to the Sith is the title she took without asking anyone and the few Sith tricks Vader showed her that he wasn't supposed to. Please do not mire the Wiki with theories that are not canon...T (unsigned comment by User:Starkeiller) --194.30.198.104 20:11, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)Leland Chee has stated that she is some kind of Sith. But not a Dark Lady of the Sith. The kind of underlings from before the Rule of Two. Like the guys training in the Sith Academy in K.o.t.O.R.. These were Sith, but not Dark Lords. The Dark Lords are always two, at certain times one, at others three, at others a couple. But their underlings were trained in some of the Sith arts. The Rule of Two was broken after the Emperor's death, but the Sith were extinct. The Sith that were always two; no more, no less, the full Sith, the Dark Lords. Not the "quasi-Sith" underlings, though. --194.30.198.109 01:00, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)Okay, but all this is just theories. Officially, there is no new Sith Order founded by Lumiya. She took the title without having been properly trained in the ways of the Sith. Officialy, she is not a real Dark Lady. That is all that matters. If she officialy becomes one, it can be added to the Wiki. Until then, no.
 * Well, the Databank entry does call her "Dark Lady", but the word Sith isn't used. Perhaps you have a point here. - Sikon 15:53, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Star Wars Gamer called her "Dark Lady of the Sith", hell, that was what she was labelled in her first appearance, in Marvel Star Wars. QuentinGeorge 21:14, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * PS, there is no Dark Jedi category here, so please don't put her in one. (That's why it's red, see?) QuentinGeorge 21:15, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Regardless, Lumiya wasn't a) A member of Bane's order and B) In Bane's order, sometimes the rules were circumvented: ie see Darth Millennial, and note that Sidious began training Maul BEFORE Plagueis died. QuentinGeorge 21:27, 9 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * What, since when did you need permission to name yourself Dark Lord of the Sith? Both Darth Revan and Darth Ruin refounded the order without any specific "permission". If she claimed the title, and no one disputed it, what's the difference? QuentinGeorge 06:04, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * Officially, there is no new Sith Order founded by Lumiya. - incorrect, Star Wars Gamer says there is. QuentinGeorge 06:33, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)
 * First of all, there is a Category:Dark Jedi characters. Also, for succession boxes, I've always assumed it was a pretty loose system. Lumiya was the main carrier of the Sith banner post-ROTJ, so that's why I thought she belonged in the box. It wouldn't imply official "passing of the torch" between her and Vader, it'd be more like on Nero. But I haven't read anything she's in, and we should certainly explain this in the Behind the Scenes section. We should also put asteriks in Palpatine and Vader's succession boxes-LtNOWIS 07:42, 10 Aug 2005 (UTC)

Lumiya is a sith. Granted not a fully trained one, but a sith nontheless. She proclaimed herself to be, just like Exar Kun, Darth Revan, Darth Ruin, Darth Bane, and Kyp Durron. Sith apprentices might have began training their own disciple when they surpassed their masters or, they had learned all they could and needed an apprentice stronger than their master. Obviously Vader saw something in her, if he thought she could help him assassinate Sidious. She was also probably the most powerful of the emperors hands. she established a new order.

If you simply look at their history, you will notice that the many different dispensations of the Sith Order do have their smilarities; but these are far out-weighed by their differences. Lumiya is just as valid a Sith as any other Sith in the history of the Galaxy. The simple fact that she was outside of Bane's specific dogma is of little to no consequence - as it was only one of the many different Sith Orders to exist throughout time, and ended with the death of Sidious and redemption of Anakin.--Master Dakari 03:28, 2 October 2006 (UTC)

Kaiburr Crystal?
Where did say Lumiya got her hands on it? I thought Luke had it and used it to enhance his blade...Thanos6 01:14, 8 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * It's in her databank article, though that might have come from another source. &mdash; Silly Dan  01:45, 8 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Huh. So...what, did she filch it from Luke somehow?Thanos6 01:54, 8 Nov 2005 (UTC)

What should be cast as lumiya/Shira Brie?
I'm just curious by your own opion of what should be cast as the dark lady? My suggested is Jennifer Garner (and since yeserday i imaged her as lumiya since i saw Lumiya's picture as the jedi council literature forums; I think also she needs to dye her hair red for that part.)Also note that I saw the Daredevil movie last movie (in fact two nights in a row).Any ideas? Thanks.Also i was thinkin' of Jennifer Antison.Do you agreeded with my ideas?Also i partly having this in here 'cause i don't 'offically'have a emil address. But i also like to talk about casting ideas (especially with the idea of Cloris leachmen as An'ya Kuro aka the Dark Woman) so without askin' somebody, i decined to post a casting thread here.
 * ...What are you talking about? -- SFH 02:34, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * That isn't really an appropriate line of discussion for an article's talk page. This is not a general-purpose message board. The talk pages are for specific questions or comments about an article's content, not speculation or idle chatter. TheForce.net and Starwars.com have huge message boards better suited to this sort of talk. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  02:45, 15 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Eh...?

 * Someone keeps changing the succesion box from 11 ABY to 11 BBY. whoever is doing that, stop!-user:remoh

Pictures

 * I think we should include at least one picture of Shira Brie before her cybernetic surgery to this article. Does anyone still has these old comics? I know that I had the one where Shira gets shot down by Luke and later rescued by Vader to be put in a bacta tank ... unfortunately I cannot remember where I might have put that one. Tulon 20:20, 25 Jan 2006 (UTC)
 * I added an image of Shira from the New Essential Guide to Characters. I hope this helps. Narbflick
 * I think it would be interesting if the article had pictures of the entire progression of her costume during the Marvel run. It already has the metal suit she wore in her first appearance as Lumiya and the black and grey armor she wore when she fought Luke. I seem to recall at least two other costumes: one where she had this kind of transparent veil or something (she was in a spaceship at the time, that's all I remember) and one in the very last issue where she looked like she was wearing a lampshade on her head. I don't have these images and they're not needed, but I thought they might enhance the article somehow. Lieutenant Gerard 02:27, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Bloodlines
Are we just speculating that she is in Bloodlines? I havent seen anything saying she is.. --2Guns 05:45, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I don't think there's been confirmation she's in Bloodlines specifically, but the LFL continuity guys have confirmed she's in the LotF series - Kwenn 12:39, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Karen Traviss did say that she's in Bloodlines. Kuralyov 19:06, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * And we know now she's in Betrayal as well. QuentinGeorge 11:40, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Quote
This quote sounds like it's from LotF. Should we remove it as a spoiler?--Commander Jake 15:09, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Speculation?
"Azur-Jamin was rescued by Kyle Katarn and Mara Jade soon after the end of the war, and it remains unknown who had trained the Force-strong Yuuzhan Vong: it can only be assumed that it was Lumiya." Isn't this a little too speculative? "It can only be assumed" makes it sound too definitive. There's been no official acknowledgement of this, as far as I know. That may be better for a behind the scenes section, since mostly fans have guessed this.--JMM 16:19, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
 * Just noticed the change. That's better. :) --JMM 15:35, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Rogue Squadron Listing
I see she is listed a part of the "Rogue Squadron Personnel" category, but on the page she is listed as "Lumiya". Really, shouldn't she be listed as "Shira Brie", the name she held while in the squadron? I tried to change it, but using the |Brie, Shira designator in the category doohickey just put her as "Lumiya" under the Bs. Is there any way to make that work? Havac 03:17, 4 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately there's not...it's an issue that's been brought up in the past, but I'm afraid there's no way to change it that we know of. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 03:21, 4 June 2006 (UTC)

Contact With Vergere
"Sometime before the Battle of Ebaq 9 (or possibly before the Yuuzhan Vong War itself), Lumiya had somehow entered into contact with Vergere, a former Jedi Knight and Sith apprentice who had been captured by the Yuuzhan Vong prior to the Clone Wars. After this contact was established, Vergere passed on her view of Sith teachings (influenced by Darth Vectivus and the Potentium) to Lumiya. From these lessons, Lumiya accepted that she was incapable of realizing her full Sith abilities due to her cybernetic additions, but also felt that Palpatine and Vader had not been true Sith either." I was wondering what the source of this info is, since she didn't mention a meet up with Vergere in Betrayal --ThrawnRocks 04:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * No, but that book did tell you about Lumiya meeting Vergere. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 05:02, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * When was that? I don't recall... --ThrawnRocks 15:23, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Quite near the end of the book, when Lumiya revealed her true identity to Jacen and was explaining how Vergere had been trained by Darth Sidious, had tried to kill him, then ran away with the Vong. &mdash;Jaymach Ral'Tir (talk) 15:44, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Ah, so we're just taking it out of that scene. I thought that that part was takne from an explicit statement somewhere that "Vergere met with Lumiya" rather than inferrence from that scene that they had met (I'm assuming it's such, since I can't find any quote there where Lumiya says she met with Vergere).  Thanks! --ThrawnRocks 16:37, 21 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It's implied in the new article that she met Vergere thanks to contact she had with Nom Anor shortly after Carnor Jax died. --Sauron18 17:30 23 June 2006 (CDT)

No she believes that they misused the teachings of the sith, in actuality they lived it to the letter, and lumiya is the same as they were, which you will see in upcoming books. I do see a parallel with Luke and Jacen with Yoda and Dooku. 24.158.73.178 17:47, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Azrakel
With the new added info on Azrakels page and the Prophets of the Dark Side, shouldn't something be added to her page about her aiding in their demise. RushinSundaws 06:08, 16 August 2006 (UTC)