Talk:Denal/Legends

Jet trooper
Jet trooper? Is Denal a clone jet trooper? What about rex?
 * Denal, along with his squad for this mission, are no more jet troopers then Rex. Simply because you use a jetpack when the situation would require it does not mean that said clone is specifically a jet trooper. I also removed the portion about the possibility of Denal being at Teth because the novelization of the movie expressly states that only six troopers from Torrent Company survived the battle and they are already accounted for by name. (Rex, Coric, Zeer, Del, Attie, and Nax) --Shadowxander 05:14, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
 * He has to be a clone jet trooper if he uses a jetpack. Rex uses a jetpack, but he can because he's an arc captain(?) and even if he isn't who is?
 * Not so, pal. Signing your comment would be appreciated too so I can use something other then "pal".  Anyway, a jet trooper is a clone specifically trained in aerial tactics and the use of a jetpack to fight or perform other missions.  Jetpacks are also available to other troopers for assignments requiring them, but simply using a jetpack does not immediately mean said trooper is expressly a "clone jet trooper". --Shadowxander 03:13, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If the "Twilight Disaster" episode is real then its pretty safe to say he's a Jet Trooper since he would have only appeared with a Jet Pack--Butters4115 03:24, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Not necessarily. Rex appears with a jetpack in the movie and Duel of the Droids but isn't a Jet Trooper.  I can't see only two appearances as solid proof.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not an anti-Jet Trooper person, I just don't think we should jump to any such conclusions without some kind of real proof.  Compare it to real-world military terms.  A soldier who has to jump out of a plane during one or two missions is not a paratrooper.  Paratroopers are specifically trained as part of a unit who specialize in insertion by air.  The same, I believe (as I can never be sure what'll be changed when it suits the writers), holds true for jet troopers. --Shadowxander 01:15, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Im just saying if we only see him when he's uses a Jetpack then it makes it look like he's a Jet Trooper--Butters4115 03:10, 11 January 2009 (UTC)
 * You might very well be right. I'm definitely not saying my opinion's the only right one and you've got a good point.  If he only ever uses a jetpack on screen and there's no word from a higher source, I'm all for him being put down as a jet trooper.  Just like I said above though, I don't want to jump to a pre-emtive conclusion.  I say we wait and see where they take the character. --Shadowxander 01:42, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Well, if he wears a jetpack in every appearance, then he has to be a jet trooper. --ARC commander3 14:35, 14 January 2009 (UTC)

Canon?
The majority of this article now comes from the Clone Wars cell phone game. While well-written and interesting, I was under the impression that cell phone games like this are considered non-canon. Should this stay? --Shadowxander 05:10, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * AFAIK, a source (game, book, comic, etc.) is considered non-canon if it contradict other sources. And while this game has some odd plot points, they can be explained, at least for me. But I think we should ask Leland Chee about the canonical status of such games, in order to clear that.  QuiGonJinn Be mindful of the Living Force...Quigonheadshot.jpg 09:37, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Nothing here or here about mobile phone games or contradictory sources being non-canon. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 20:21, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Actually, there is: Lastly there is non-continuity "N" which we rarely use except in the case of a blatant contradiction. Not a word about cell phone games though. QuiGonJinn Be mindful of the Living Force...Quigonheadshot.jpg 20:39, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Sounds good to me, I'll take your word for it QuiGonJinn. Like I said, the article sounds good except really for the parts about Denal's rank.  In Duel of the Droids, Denal's a sergeant and it seems to me that his rapid promotions in the game are merely for gameplay reasons and shouldn't be taken seriously.  I suggest we remove the small bits about his rank unless a higher source can give a more definitive answer, but spare the rest of the article which seems very plausible. --Shadowxander 06:17, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with you about his rank in the game. But is he really called a sergeant in Duel of the Droids? I don't remember it. And in episode guide on Starwars.com he is called just "Trooper Denal". Of course he is higher than a mere trooper, but he could as well be a lieutenant. I am going to remove information regarding his rank, unless it's stated exactly. QuiGonJinn Be mindful of the Living Force...Quigonheadshot.jpg 14:54, 26 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Good call. As far as the sergeant part goes, I'm pretty sure he's the sergeant of the squad that goes in and Rex is just there because he's Anakin's right-hand-man.  I can't say for certain if it's in the episode or some kind of supplemental material,  but I'm pretty sure he is a sergeant. --Shadowxander 03:02, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Wanted to add that while my computer is sub-par to say the least and keeps me from getting around StarWars.com without more hassle then I'm willing to deal with, I did a Google and Yahoo search for "Denal" and every relevant result referenced him being a sergeant. Just wanted to give the heads up. --Shadowxander 01:05, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * There is a list of valid references approved by this site. As long as those "googled" references are among those considered valid, they can be listed as sources. Gethralkin 07:12, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I searched too, and all I could find were several fan-paintings and copies of Duel of the Droids summary. According to Wookieepedia canon policy, only SW.com and sites affilated with LucasArts can be considered canon. Other sites shouldn't be considered such, unless they provide a valid reference. And SW.com calls him just "trooper". Since "trooper" doesn't necessary mean rank, I say we leave this issue ambiguous, leave a note in Bts, and wait until an official word. QuiGonJinn Be mindful of the Living Force...Quigonheadshot.jpg 11:46, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Disregard my statement about canon policy. I haven't noticed it was "proposed". Still, I don't think those references should be taken as canon. QuiGonJinn Be mindful of the Living Force...Quigonheadshot.jpg 18:18, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Cad Bane kills denal...maybe.
Look at this video [] at :14 seconds in pause it. it appears to be denal in a starfighter. however anakin nocks his helment off and its Cad Bane! Does anyone else see this?--Fisto-Arsix 18:13, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Very Observant. I believe you, but we need a source to confirm it. WILDEYE N-25 04:26, 22 March 2009 (UTC)
 * I believe that the preview is official enough. And since Denal is the only known clone to wear such kind of helmet, it must be him. I'm going to add some info soon. QuiGonJinn There's always a bigger fish. 12:50, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I don't think it is. Improbable it may be, it could simply just be another clone trooper, and unless it's stated (in words), it's just speculation. &mdash; CC7567 [ http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/5/5f/Rex.png/20px-Rex.png] (s)talk 17:24, 7 April 2009 (UTC)
 * I agree with CC7567 because the clone armor cad bane wears has a watch officer's macrobinoculars on the helmet like Echo and Thire. Denal doesn't have these macrobinoculars on his helmet.Legojango 21:49, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Hot-Wire.
Hey, In Duel of Droids do you think he Hot-Wired him and Rex into the reactor room? Because I think they made him say he could Hot-Wire so they could get in the room with a Astromech or people would have been like "Hey how did they do that with Goldie?" Do you think we should mention this?--Fisto-Arsix 13:43, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Not if it's speculation. &mdash; CC7567  [ http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/starwars/images/thumb/5/5f/Rex.png/20px-Rex.png] (s)talk 18:22, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Commander
I don't know about Denal being a commander. He served under Rex and the ranks in the wireless game are probably a gameplay device. I think we shouldn't mention his rank until it is confirmed by an official source.--Butters4115 13:52, 24 July 2009 (UTC)

> QuiGonJinn (Talk) 14:26, 24 July 2009 (UTC) > Butters4115 (Talk) 14:43, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * Also, Denal has black hair---Butters4115 14:02, 24 July 2009 (UTC)
 * No official source says that his rank in the wireless game is gameplay mechanics. And as far as it does not contradict other sources, it is canon. Denal will probably be featured in the second season of TCW. If some issues concerning his rank pop up there, the article may be changed to reflect this, but until then, it stays as it is. <span style="font-variant: small-caps; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px"
 * Ok. Sounds good to me.<span style="font-variant: small-caps; font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px"

Intro
Should the intro's first sentence be changed to
 * Denal was the nickname of a clone trooper commander in the elite 501st Legion.

Because Denal was his nickname, not his real name. Xd1358 13:38, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * That's why we have a template that says exactly that. I find it sufficient. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 13:47, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * The article about Slick has both the template and the mention in the intro. Xd1358 14:14, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Feel free to change it then. It's not a big deal, actually. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 14:17, 10 August 2009 (UTC)
 * well dont most clones prefer there nicknames if so lets just agree with the name denal

A Clone Paratrooper?
Could denal have been a clone paratrooper since he used his jetpack (in all missions) to fall behind enemy lines, example the battle of christophsis he jumped of a building and used his jetpack to stop collision with the ground and attacked the droids from behind. Thats what it says clone paratroopers do.--ARC commander4 18:12, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Could he be one? Possibly. Is he? No.  CC7567  (talk) 19:47, 31 August 2009 (UTC)
 * I didn't say he IS one, I said he COULD be one.--ARC commander4 13:12, 1 September 2009 (UTC)
 * Please read both Talkheader at the top of this page and WP:NOT. We're not a forum for discussing all the possibilities or speculating on what someone can or can't be.  CC7567  (talk) 16:17, September 1, 2009 (UTC)