User talk:Cade Calrayn

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Eras in the new plant template
Hey Cade. I saw that just created a new "plant" infobox, which is a fine thing! Still, I wondered wheter there should really be era tags going with that infobox. After all, species infobox doesn't have them. --LelalMekha (talk) 00:38, September 1, 2013 (UTC)

Merchandise?
I understand what your saying, but sticker books DO have a presence on this wiki. Their is even a category for them.Darth Pickle 2 (talk) 04:19, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

Would this count as merchandise as well?
I was thinking of making a page for this, but I wanted to check with you first. What do you think? http://www.amazon.com/National-Geographic-Angry-Birds-Star/dp/1426213034/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0?ie=UTF8&qid=1372176063&sr=1-55 (talk) 21:21, September 2, 2013 (UTC) `Darth Pickle 2 (talk) 21:22, September 2, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yes, that is entirely merchandise. Any Angry Birds material should not receive an article beyond the articles for the two games themselves. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  21:53, September 2, 2013 (UTC)

Undone of your change of dawn of the Jedi
In reality, I don't give a shit, so do as you want. Do not forget to change the titles for each issue of kotor, Swtor, Legacy, Dark times, Republic, Rebellion, ... Maxattac (talk) 21:59, September 3, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm only doing this because the DOTJ issues are specifically not labelled as 6-10 and 11-15&mdash;each arc starts over. However, the Part # is valid; I'll re-add those. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  22:02, September 3, 2013 (UTC)

Pre-Republic tag
Heya, Cade. The Pre-Republic tag is not from a publishing era, but it is used to have a visual distinction between things that are timeless (no tag) and those that happen before the publishing eras start. It serves a purpose, and we need to have it. We also are in great need of a new icon, and I've pointed this out before. Please put them back. NaruHina Talk  18:50, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * You're welcome to try a new SH to get a new eras tag, but until then, it's incorrect to use the Pre-Republic era as a tag when it's not a publishing era. A Before the Je'daii era could work, but I don't have the time at the moment to write up a SH or anything. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  19:01, September 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Cade, the Pre-Republic era tag has been used on here for nearly six years for the exact reasons that Naru said. That's a lot of precedent to overcome. If you feel that it should not be used or that a different icon should be used, please start a discussion and get consensus first. Wide, sweeping changes like what you suggest (that it should not be used at all) are not something that you should be bold with. The tags need to stay where they are until the community decides otherwise, and I will be reverting your edits for that reason. &mdash;MJ&mdash; Comlink 23:47, September 4, 2013 (UTC)

Sorry
Sorry about that, I just knew I'd have to make an edit to put the page in the past tense, and I didn't want to do that.74.72.159.170 02:30, September 6, 2013 (UTC)

Murttoc
Hello, I'd appreciate it if you were not so quick to revert my edits. This topic has been the subject of an ongoing discussion between myself, User:Hanzo Hasashi and User:Sompeetalay for a few days now. I've included a link to our discussion here. Thankyou for your cooperation. Bo Shuda (talk) 03:10, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

Seriously?
They need to be categorized. If someone wants more info on BTS material they can click on the imagecat box and find more behind the scenes imagery of particular characters; puppets or not. Find me a policy that prevents this and I'll gladly comply but your logic is ludicrous. Bo Shuda (talk) 04:07, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

TC closure
Hey, I've closed Trash compactor/Character sheets as a merge to the adventure. I will leave it to you as the nominator to carry out the actual merge. &mdash;MJ&mdash; Holocomm 18:55, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

And this as well?
Would Young DK Reader books be considered merchandise. Can I keep making pages for those products?Darth Pickle 2 (talk) 20:42, September 7, 2013 (UTC)

Inq Meeting 59
Hey Cade. Meeting 59 of the High Council of Inqusitors is scheduled for next week Saturday, September 21. Please make sure to leave notes if you cannot attend. Otherwise, see you there!  CC7567  (talk) 01:39, September 9, 2013 (UTC)
 * Due to a conflict with the next EduCorps meeting, Inqmoot Meeting 59 has been rescheduled for the following Saturday, the 28th. Please double-check and confirm on the meeting page if you are still able to make it.  CC7567  (talk) 20:13, September 9, 2013 (UTC)

Unidentified
It is very hard to leave a reference for unidentified Jedi and unidentified clones but if you will help a fellow Jedi we can find the records.

You try and keep track of all the Jedi and the clones in Attack of the Clones there was 1 million clones and over a hundred Jedi!

People do all the time If I were to talk about Jaina Solo before she was introduced she would have been Fanon. Some of these people are on because of a book so if I decide to write a book on a whole bunch of unidentified Jedi and Clones you would not have anything to say!

Yeah good luck with that I have already started a script that has a chance to be the tenth Star Wars Movie and besides I say that half these people should not exist because someone wrote a book until the stick those two people in the extended universe, and yes Star Wars has an extended universe

You like the old republic. Nice... Anything specific you like?

EduCorps Meeting 2
You are invited to participate in EduCorps meeting 2, which is scheduled for 7 PM ET on Saturday, September 21st.-- Exiled Jedi   (Greetings)  14:13, September 12, 2013 (UTC)

RE: 4,300 BBY
On the Timeline of Galactic history, that same information is cited, I only moved the information to a new article to clear the redlink. Also, on Taris the information is cited, not from the first KOTOR, but from Knights of the Old Republic II: The Sith Lords. Plus, the information on 4,300 BBY says that Taris "became known as" which would indicate that people would say this about Taris, which is what you found in the dialogues of KOTOR. I guess I could reword it so that it's more clear if you would like that! I feel that this all makes that valid. But then again, I could be wrong. What do you think? -- Scorch1162 ''' (Priming Explosives) 02:44, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Nah, none of it's valid. I actually traced the source of the info back to an anon several years ago, and it's proliferated via people reading info and copying it. The reference was false in the timeline page, and I've removed all of the other mentions of it and a few other years that I've confirmed to be fanon. 02:47, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Alright, then I apologize. I'm sorry for the mistakes. I'll delete the sandbox information to effectively kill 4,300 BBY.

Sorry again, -- Scorch1162 ''' (Priming Explosives) 02:51, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Spacetroopers
Hey Cal. From what I can see here, the troopers with backpack from ANH were indeed spacetroopers. The writing on the package is very clear about that. --LelalMekha (talk) 21:54, September 16, 2013 (UTC)
 * Interesting. I added the appearance back, though there's too many images in that article for there to be another. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  21:57, September 16, 2013 (UTC)

Battle of Balmorra discussion
Hi

I knew you'd show up sooner or later. For some time I'm calling you "The Butcher of Dawidos". Sorry for my dark sense of humour. Memorize what you said about the list of supporters in the article about Revan's Sith Empire. To this day it stands as a testimony of my work. You claimed it'd be removed by the others. It wasn't. It seems only you have problems with my work :)

Seriously speaking, I don't say a final word in the Battle of Balmorra article. I really want to expand the content of it, enhancing its quality as the best as it's possible. Listing these individuals will help me find all missions and events which can be included in the main body of this article. In addition, not everyone has time to read all the text. Sometimes you need to find precise information ASAP. The second reason is quite private. I was looking for the names of Balmorra collaborators and couldn't find on the Wookieepedia. So I've decided to do it by myself. I can put myself into somebody else shoes. I'm sorry to say that but I think you can't :( But I really respect your work, especially Hero of Tython article.

Don't worry my friend :). I won't leave this article in this current condition. I will try to make it suitable for your kind (people liking lots of text) and mine (people liking short information). Greetings, Dawidos2 (talk) 15:04, September 17, 2013 (UTC)Dawidos


 * I don't believe I've ever said anything about the Sith Empire list being removed by others, though after a discussion with other users, the Sith Empire list has been removed as it is entirely redundant and inferior to Category:Sith of Revan's Sith Empire and Category:Military personnel of Revan's Sith Empire. Lists are greatly inferior to categories, and if you're determined to have all of the Balmorran collaborators listed somewhere&mdash;and it certainly doesn't belong in the Battle of Balmorra article&mdash;then I'd suggest a Category:Balmorran collaborators, which can be added to the articles of all of the collaborators and included in Category:Sith Empire individuals. Your list also contains present tense, which is a major issue. Battle articles are not intended to be lists of combatants, they are intended as chronological summaries of the actual events. The individuals who participated are secondary. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  18:26, September 17, 2013 (UTC)
 * Cade.I've received your message. I like your Battle of Corellia article very much. Could I finish only the Combatants section? Will something of my work survive? Maybe I could help you with something? I also like writing and updating articles about battles. Definitely, my favourite ones.Dawidos2 (talk) 17:09, September 20, 2013 (UTC)Dawidos

Well, what should we do with the ranks?
Look, we need to place the ranks somewhere, especially Cass's ranks and those from the DSTC since those weren't covered in the Essential Guide to Warfare at all. If you have any ideas as to where to place them, feel free to put them there. I really wish Wookieepedia didn't just remove the galleries, because that would have been the best place to put them. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:07, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * There is absolutely no reason to create articles for random Imperial officers just to save the images from deletion. The images and content were removed from the Imperial rank article because it was largely original research and speculation. As for the ranks that look different, it's called artistic error and artistic license. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  21:13, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * Fine, but we still need to do something about the Imperial officers even if it is expanding them. We've already got plenty of unidentified character articles on here, so I honestly don't see why they don't make the cut. They're characters, so they get articles. It's a wiki, after all. As far as the Ranks, can we at LEAST try to put them in the not not delete section, especially Cade's rank since that was not covered at all? Actually, I think we should create a series of tables listing variants covered in the behind the scenes section of the Rank Insignia articles, especially for reference purposes. Its not original research or speculation if its explicitly stated to have come from something like the Death Star Technical Companion, which at least the DSTC ranks were stated to have originated from that. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:20, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't understand what you're talking about, but if you have information from an actual source, then feel free to add to an article using text and references. Images aren't always necessary; they're a luxury that that requires significant text before they can be used. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  21:23, September 19, 2013 (UTC)
 * According to some of the images (specifically, Dstmgmf.jpg, Dstmgnc.jpg, Dstmaj.jpg, and Dstmcom.jpg, and Dstmcap.jpg, among others), they came from the Death Star Technical Companion, which is an actual text-based source. As far as what I was babbling about earlier, I was referring to the Unidentified Imperial officers, since the way you were talking indicated that you planned to delete the articles. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 21:40, September 19, 2013 (UTC)

Preparing for War
Hey Cade. Please make sure to check your objections to the Preparing for War GAN when you get the chance; they've been addressed for over a week. Thanks.  CC7567  (talk) 23:56, September 20, 2013 (UTC)

Fanon?
First of all, I am not trying to add any fanon on this site. All what I have been doing was fixing. But I was been accused. In the Archimar page, it showed a few spots that he was male. I have been reading that page perfectly, but some other user assumed it was wrong. I don't know what's going on. Second, I'm not the same guy, and I don't know why you would say something like that to me. This is not a warm welcome that I'm getting.--99.56.52.29 12:29, September 21, 2013 (UTC)

I didn't say that I read the book Before the Storm, only the page at this site. I didn't know that Archimar is mentioned once. When I looked through the page, two of the sentences had he and I thought it was male.--99.56.52.29 00:51, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

Look, please understand this, I thought Archimar was male since it said "he" two times before I edited it.--99.56.52.29 01:13, September 22, 2013 (UTC)

Corso Riggs's weapons category
Hi Cade. Exiledjedi and I are trying to figure out why a category was created for Corso Riggs's weapons? Categories are not used for weapons that are used by a single individual. -- Richterbelmont10  ( come in R2! ) 04:11, September 24, 2013 (UTC)
 * This is a specific and unique case, as he's got almost a dozen named weapons that are a focus of his personality; I can't think of another character who has a named collection like this. I'm not saying this should become common practice, but it's a unique case. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  04:13, September 24, 2013 (UTC)

UCotE
I'm apologizing for editing the page on the Exile. I had no idea it was a topic of such dissent. This was my first attempt at posting to Wookieepedia and I was not attempting to troll at all.

I played The Sith Lords when it first came out and then forgot about it, and then recently I re-installed it again to try with the restored content mod. I then wondered if there was more storyline developed around the character which brought me to Wookieepedia.

I was surprised to see that there had indeed been more backstory created, but I was also surprised at the omission of the original promotional materials for the game depicting the Exile as male. I thought that that was important enough to include in an exhaustive reference source like this one so that's why I submitted the edit.

Sincere apologies again.

P.S. The promotional artwork I was referring to were these: http://www.gamewallpapers.us/kotor-2-sith-lords

Berewold (talk) 04:45, September 25, 2013 (UTC)

KB: Turbolasers
Hey, why did you undo the post I left behind in the Knowledge bank? Everyone has some reason, and usually the person who complains about it first gets told off on some sketchy or genuine violation of policy. So let us avoid games and get straight to the point and then get past it if you really suppose something was wrong with what I said. I was already participating in that talk, there was no reason to rescind that post.99.188.36.80 04:35, September 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * It was a mistake that occurred when I was rollbacking a number of consecutive edits. Your edit got caught in the crossfire. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  04:50, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Good to know
I am pleased to hear that it was a mistake. I was psyched up, ready for a war or some contest over a minute error that had no basis in logic or reason. Thanks Calrayn.99.188.36.80 14:56, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Darth Nox
Hi Cade! Although I don't really have as much ardor and enthusiasm as you do when it comes to such pharaonic project as the Hero of Tython, I feel inspired by your example, and I would like to start improving Darth Nox' article. However, I suspect there are many info about the Inquisitor in the Star Wars: The Old Republic Encyclopedia, which I don't own. I wondered whether you could provide me with the relevant info from that book. Do not worry, I'm aware that you keep yourself busy here, but I'm not in a hurry myself. The Darth Nox project will be a long one. Cheers! --LelalMekha (talk) 21:35, September 26, 2013 (UTC)

Meeting reminder
A reminder that Inq Meeting 59 will be in two days (if you go by ET, that's Saturday the 28th at 8 PM ET). If you can't make it, please remember to leave notes. Thanks.  CC7567  (talk) 02:32, September 27, 2013 (UTC)

Images
Heyas! I was just wanted to know if there's a reason why the 3D render of Bastila is used instead of the other image. Is it because the 3D render represents her latest attire or appearance, or something along those lines? Just confused and need clarification. Thanks! -- 04:53, September 28, 2013 (UTC)

Imperial strike team (Cold War)
Hello. I would like to make an argument against deletion of Imperial strike team (Cold War) page. You argue that it is not stated that those four individuals were sent to Flashpoints. I think the game evidence says the opposite. Malgus, the main character involved with the Flashpoints, is contacting exactly those four individuals throughout the individual class storylines. Some of his in-game conversations are even specific to the class (i.e. referring directly to Agent, for example). The Flashpoints take four individuals, that is in my opinion clearly established. Though the game-play mechanics themselves allow different composition of the 4 man team, for example two Agents, but that is non-canon since there are no two Cipher Nine in the universe. So the only reasonable option left is that each of the class represents one of those four that participated in Flashpoint. I fail to see how that is non-canon. Furthermore, while there is a strong and rather quite direct evidence that Wrath, Nox, Nine and Champion of the Great Hunt participated in those missions, there is no direct evidence that anyone else participated in their strike team. Sometimes Imperial Navy or Army is supporting them but they are not the strike team itself and are stated along the strike team in the participants list. Path-x (talk) 02:10, September 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * There are several holes in your theory. First off, the Allusis Flashpoint features Imperial and Republic strike teams that are composed of unique NPCs who are unrelated to the class characters. Secondly, the game's dialogue is specifically tailored to individual players. If a player has not completed a specific operation or flashpoint, then dialogue will not acknowledge their participation in the event. It's speculation to definitively say that the class characters are involved; what about Operations? Just because there are four individuals on the "strike team"&mdash;which is not necessarily the same between every Flashpoint&mdash;doesn't mean that the four class characters are involved. Until there is definitive evidence on the canon outcomes of the Flashpoints and Operations, which could be completed by either faction, we can't assume that the class characters are the strike team members. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  02:18, September 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Well as for Operations, I think those can be classified as PVE end-game content while Flashpoints are storyline related. So I believe there is a difference. Now as for Flashpoints and individual class involvement, I think you have a point (though it may be just as valid as mine) but if we followed that point then we would need to remove many other things. One of the examples is Allusis Flashpoint that you mentioned yourself. Currently the page lists 1 Sith Warrior, 1 Sith Inquisitor, 1 Agent and 1 Bounty Hunter which is (according to what you stated) the same contradiction. If we are to follow what you said, then stuff like this should be also removed. Path-x (talk) 02:50, September 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Now if I may propose a compromise solution. We could still have the strike team page. Malgus being the leader is still completely canon, as well as many other things I stated on, now deleted, page. As for Wrath's, Nox's, Nine's and Champion's involvement, we could either not mention it at all or treat it as "occasional". The point I am trying to make is that I don't see the reason why the page itself had to be removed when only the "non-canon" part could be omitted. Path-x (talk) 02:50, September 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * But that's assuming that the strike teams are the same, which they aren't. It's just a group of random individuals who Malgus gathers for various missions, and the characters aren't necessarily the same each time. There's no reason to be specific about the strike teams or to make articles for them. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  03:02, September 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * I completely agree that the composition may have varied from mission to mission BUT I just cannot agree that it was a different strike team. There is a clear evidence that this is the same strike team (always commanded by Malgus, always operating from Vaiken Spacedock). Though Malgus may have picked different individuals to participate in his strike team, it was always his strike team. Fighter squadrons and all other units during the wars naturally change their composition throughout the time but it is still the same squadron/unit. And the reason to have an article of its own is for the convenience of the reader. The page was a hub for all the Flashpoints that Malgus and his strike team did. Path-x (talk) 03:17, September 30, 2013 (UTC)

Hey I'm sorry I love Anakin Solo and I was going to change it back but I wanted to see how long it would take someone realize it sorry I didn't mean to make you mad or anything my bad

Build R2-D2
Isn't it non-merchandise, because it comes with a book, about r2's role in the galaxy, and adventures?Darth Pickle 2 (talk) 01:51, October 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * I see nothing unique about it; it's a promotional product for a model. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  01:55, October 1, 2013 (UTC)

Source and references
Listen, I don't know what's going on. And I'm just as confused of what this is. First, I'm not trying to add any confusion towards you. Second, I was only trying to help and add the right references from the Star Wars: Galaxies. Those few edits that I did were not wrong. I added the right references.--99.56.52.29 00:29, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

Revert Raptus
Why did you revert it? That was the latest version of Raptus.--67.189.155.19 13:34, October 4, 2013 (UTC)

Armor
Hey, you were right about Attatag Gosem. I added a bit about his armor and headset; it was noticeably absent when you consider that his blaster pistol was already mentioned. I was being too prissy about it before, and the article looks better now. Hooray! Menkooroo (talk) 14:21, October 5, 2013 (UTC)

Table of Contents for list of Status Articles pages
Hi, I was wondering if you could give your input on the Senate Hall thread "Table of Contents requested for Status Articles pages" and let us know if you like the proposed Table of contents that was created by JangFett. If you want to see what it would look like, you can see it in this Table of Contents prototype page. Let us know what you think so we can implement this into the three pages (CA/GA/FA).-- Richterbelmont10  ( come in R2! ) 18:30, October 7, 2013 (UTC)

Human
90.202.244.49 16:14, October 10, 2013 (UTC)Adanar is a Human and I've got a source for it Darth Bane path of destruction typically states he is Human same with Ulabore90.202.244.49 16:14, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

90.202.244.49 18:00, October 10, 2013 (UTC)I don't know if their is a source from Darth Bane path of Destruction but thier is definitely and undeniably a source that say Adanar and Ulabore are Human in the Complete Star Wars Encyclopaedia.90.202.244.49 18:00, October 10, 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm sorry, but that's complete bull. I have the CSWE right here, and the word "Human" is not mentioned a single time in either of their entries. "man" does not mean Human. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  18:05, October 10, 2013 (UTC)

Lists
Hello Cade, the problem is you appear to have gone on a list purge without appending any of the applicable categorisation tags to your edits or attempting to reinsert relevant information back into the article itself. Please, if you're going to remove information, make sure that each entry you remove has been appropriately tagged with the relevant categorisation tags first. Thank you. Bo Shuda (talk) 04:11, October 12, 2013 (UTC) Cade, I realise you have not yet gone over the 3 reverts but you are getting close. As you did not attempt to initially engage me in dialogue I'm issuing this as a reminder. As I explained before there is no relevant category so the information should remain in one form or the other. Also as previously mentioned based on your past edits to lists, you appear to remove lists without re-categorising individual entries or attempting to re-insert relevant information. This just creates more work for everyone. Thank you. Bo Shuda (talk) 04:49, October 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * Your POV on what is triva or not is your POV. New users would find it useful to be able to identify who was there during the events of films. Since we have no category for Outlander Club patrons at that time then the list should stay. Bo Shuda (talk) 04:32, October 12, 2013 (UTC)
 * A list of patrons is trivia. There's no reason to have a list of what characters were there at a certain, that's ridiculous. If you want one, then write it out as a paragraph.  Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  04:38, October 12, 2013 (UTC)

Ministry of Travel and Hub 3 (among other things)
Cade, it's not that I regard myself as completely above suspicion, but I don't think I've displayed the habit of making things up here. If the Ministry of Travel and the Hub 3 are nowhere in the game files, it's probably because game files aren't everything. Actually, I'm one of the rare players who actually read the Aurebesh inscriptions in the game, and those things you marked as dubious come from a map kiosk shown in Kaas City. I was going to upload it and write a BTS, but I wanted to create the relevant articles first. There is still more information to dig. (And I also didn't do it right on the spot because my connection is a real nightmare tonight&hellip; It took me twenty darn minutes just to upload that pic you saw!) --LelalMekha (talk) 23:48, October 13, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, Lelal, but I was concerned by the lack of information I could find on the subject. "Ministry of Travel" seemed contradictory to all other material that said there are only three ministries in the Empire, and I wasn't sure where you were getting it, so I tagged it with a verify because I had to leave just after I saw the article. It's not that I don't trust you :P I just didn't know whether you were going to leave it as it stood without any further information. Glad that could be cleared up, and yeah, the Wook's been really bad today in terms of loading. (P.S. The game files actually are almost everything&mdash;99% of the text in the game is in the text files I have; I've only seen one instance where they weren't.) Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  00:02, October 14, 2013 (UTC)

New infobox
I don't know if you did it for me, but... thank you. :D This looks like it'll be much better. Menkooroo (talk) 05:48, October 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * I actually thought of it when I saw you working on the Legacy arc; it'll be useful for me too :P Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  05:49, October 21, 2013 (UTC)

Battle of Hoth
Cade, as explained by my comment attached to the recent edit on the Battle of Hoth (Great Galactic War) page, the battle itself cannot take place later than 3,664 BBY as per page 84 of The Journal of Master Gnost-Dural. Please stop unnecessarily reverting my edits without getting your facts straight or bothering to check them in the first place. Bo Shuda (talk) 04:54, October 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * As it's my FA, I'd ask you to back off and actually do your research before you come in and unilaterally try to mess with status articles. If you look at the date for the entry in which the battle is mentioned&mdash;Chapter 8&mdash;it's two years after the Battle of Alderaan, and four and a half years before the entry on page 84. That's 3,665 BBY. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  04:57, October 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * There's no need to be rude. From page 84: "The Hydian Way blockade has effectively cut the lifeline of the Republic. Vital resources cannot be transported from the Outer Rim to the Core Worlds, and military supplies cannot be sent to help defend our installations in the Outer Rim. Three years ago, the Republic fleet might have made easy work of this Mandalorian armada, but not after its catastrophic losses in the Battle of Hoth." The Blockade of the Hydian Way takes begins in 3,661 BBY. The text implies that three years ago (ie. 3,664 BBY) the fleet would have been able to deal with the Mandos, but since then the Battle of Hoth occured. That means that the Battle of Hoth must take place within the three years prior to the blockade. Bo Shuda (talk) 05:07, October 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * And yet, as I've already explained, that is directly countered by the actual dates reflected on the pages of the book. There's really nothing to be done here; I'll add a BTS note, but it's staying at 3,665 BBY. As for the rudeness, I'm currently dealing with an unpleasant person in real life, and in my current attitude I did not take kindly to you coming in and making major changes to my status articles. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  05:11, October 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * I don't know what you are referring to as my copy of the book does not have any galactic standard calendar dates printed anywhere on it whatsoever. Where exactly is this notation printed on your copy? Bo Shuda (talk) 05:13, October 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * In light grey font at the top of several pages, such as the entry that starts Chapter 8. It's not Galactic Standard Notation; it's off by 25,043 years, but the dating is consistent when lined up with BBY dating. The entry that mentions the Battle of Hoth is dated 21378 while Alderaan (3,667 BBY) is dated 21376. In in-universe terms, Gnost-Dural rounded three and a half years down to three years. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  05:19, October 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Nope, nothing like that on my copy. I had to import the collector's edition to get the journal. Is there more than one version of this book available? Was it ever available individually? Bo Shuda (talk) 05:23, October 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, I have the version that came with the collector's edition. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  05:24, October 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * While I appreciate the change to the BTS section, it may be worth noting the dates as specifically noted in the journal rather than the converted dates. To say/imply that it is dated in galactic standard calendar notation is incorrect. Bo Shuda (talk) 05:42, October 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, it isn't. The dates in the journal use a reverse order calendar counting forwards in time from the founding of the Republic, thought the journal mistakenly palaces that in 25,043 instead of the correct date of 25,053 as said in the Timelines. The dates for every other entry match up correctly with their pre-established dates when translated to the Journal's dating system; the entry that discusses the arrival of the empire is dated 14 years prior to the entry on the Battle of Alderraan. The dating system is valid. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  06:27, October 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, I think you've misunderstood. Your comments directed towards me and the way the Battle of Hoth article is now written reads as if the journal uses Galactic Standard Notation to depict dates. What I meant is that the BTS needs to acknowledge the dating system used by the journal, not your translated dates regardless of whether your translations are correct or not. Bo Shuda (talk) 06:54, October 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * And this'll be my last comment. Since we've established that the journal has now at least made two mistakes with regard to dating (the founding of the republic and the rounding surrounding the Battle of Hoth) would it not be best to append a "circa" to the date of 3665 BBY (therefore c.3,655 BBY) until we get a confirmed date from another source? Bo Shuda (talk) 07:07, October 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * Now that I'm fully awake, I see what you mean about the translation. However, I'm going to stick with the surefire dates. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  15:16, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

Spacecraft and category names
Are you sure there should be "the" in the image category name for the Arkanian Legacy? Sure, the articles are used in writing, but after taking a quick look at our spacecraft image cats I couldn't spot a precedent for the use of "the" (e.g. "Images of Millennium Falcon," "Images of Executor" etc.). Is the Arkanian Legacy a special case, or is this something that should be addressed in regard to all the image cats created for a specific spaceship? Tinwe (comlink) 17:34, October 22, 2013 (UTC)
 * It's been sort of creator's preference, I believe, but when writing articles we refer to the ships as the ship name, so we should probably have the categories match up with the established grammar rules. I've changed the categories that I've come across, and I'm intending to a full run through of the KOTOR image categories to fix all the redirects and incorrect issue naming, so I was likely going to do something about the Legacy. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  17:59, October 22, 2013 (UTC)

Codex
Any chance you could provide a screenshot of the updated codex for me to submit to customer support? I doubt I'm the only one this is affecting and is likely to cause edit conflicts in the future if this is the case. Also, do you know if anyone is keeping track of individual changes to the codex that aren't mentioned in the released patch notes? It'd be good if we could comprehensively acknowledge changes in the relevant BTS sections. Bo Shuda (talk) 01:38, October 24, 2013 (UTC)

Using Surnames
Hi, I'm curious as to why Wookieepedia always uses surnames. Bastila's last name is only mentioned once in the game. If you use Shan, it would be confusing. Also using a surname that is shared by others, such as Carth Onasi and Dustil Onasi, would be misleading. I just want to know why this wiki uses that policy because it doesn't make sense to me. I've seen a lot of wikis that refer to characters by their first names. Nicholasemjohnson (talk) 18:51, October 27, 2013 (UTC)
 * Because we are an encyclopedia, and it's the professional thing to do. If there are more than one character with the same last name mentioned in the same area of an article, then we use first names, but only then. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  18:54, October 27, 2013 (UTC)

'Grov the Destroyer' article typo
The article title for Grov the Destroyer has a typo. It's spelled as 'Grev' instead of 'Grov'. Nostalgia of Iran (talk) 18:29, October 31, 2013 (UTC)

I can confirm this via the in-game achievements. Nostalgia of Iran (talk) 06:35, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

Should I move the article to a page with the correct spelling? Nostalgia of Iran (talk) 22:17, November 4, 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, go ahead. Sorry, I keep forgetting to respond. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  22:22, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

WOTM
Hi Cade! I just wanted to post a little message to thank you for supporting my nomination for Wookieepedian of the Month. I couldn't be more grateful.--LennyF (talk) 16:05, November 1, 2013 (UTC)
 * No problem! Keep up the good work. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  16:07, November 1, 2013 (UTC)

Thanks.
I was wondering can I help on any articles, I would be honored to help50.158.189.212 00:31, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Wookiepedoan of the month
Can I nominate you50.158.189.212 01:10, November 2, 2013 (UTC)

Sesfan
Hello Cade, I saw that the anon was blocked for adding fanon, and I'd have to look into his other edits, however it is indeed true that Sesfan appeared in RotJ, as I remember GG5 apparently gave him the movie quote, verifying his identity as that film Mon Cal. Not sure about the Lost Command stuff, as I don't have that myself. It would appear though, from looking at the German article, that stuff was also true, but it was not confirmed that he died from his disease. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 01:51, November 3, 2013 (UTC)

Apology
I am in a way sorry for alot that has happened in the last few days i had absolutely no clue the scope of the damage of that i wrought on you IFYLOFD and the rest of the IRC i am even more upset about the loss of TOR Wiki as an affiliate for Disney Wiki and Lucasfilm Wiki i will have to live with the shame of my impulsive actions with hardly any chance of reconciliation on my part. Byzantinefire 20:52, November 4, 2013 (UTC)

DS II
Hey Cade. The new Haynes manual is not just about the first Death Star. It provides information about everything Death Star-ish, from the two movie spheres to the Eye of Palpatine or the Tarkin. And I can confirm that it does revert the size of DS II back to kilometers. --LelalMekha (talk) 20:45, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * You can see that chart for yourself. The figures aren't in here&mdash;they're elsewhere in the book&mdash;but at least you can see I'm not joking. --LelalMekha (talk) 21:11, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ughh. But wait... That chart directly contradicts the statement that it's 160 km. Regardless, this is kind of ridiculous... Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  21:13, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * While I totally agree with you on the silliness of it all, why do you say the chart contradicts the figures? I didn't measure it all, but the scale looks okay to me. --LelalMekha (talk) 21:16, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Because the first Death Star is already 160 kilometers. Yet the chart shows the second station as being larger. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  21:17, November 8, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah! Let me explain, then. The size of DS I has also been reverted back to its former 120 km in diameters. --LelalMekha (talk) 21:20, November 8, 2013 (UTC)

Hero of Tython
Hi Cade, today I just played Jedi Knight mission from TOR and once I got my personal ship, I already have option to go assist Republic Fleet with codename Shield or go to Ord Mantell. Depends on ur choice. In ur nominating article u wrote it's after first travel to Ord Mantell and after mission to Imp. secret underground facility and later capturing of Kira Carsen. Thought I'd just let u know. Cheers and keep up good work. --Jedi Marty (talk) 03:46, November 9, 2013 (UTC)

Biographical novels in Timeline of books
Hello there!!

I saw you undid the modifications I did on the Timeline of books page. I thought I'd do with those 3 biographical books (Obi-Wan's, Vader's and Luke's) what was done with "The Wrath of Darth Maul" in that page. Most of the events on that book are flashbacks. But the "present" event (Maul remembering all that during his exile in Lotho Minor) takes place in 21 BBY, hence the "(51 BBY–32 BBY in flashbacks)" line. I've been doing some modifications so the Wookieepedia timeline agrees more with the one established on the Essential Reader's Companion. Let me know if you agree so we can change it.

--Darthktulu (talk) 02:37, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

EC Meeting 5
Greetings, EduCorps Meeting 5 is scheduled for Saturday, November 16th at 7 PM ET. If you are unable to attend, please leave notes on the meeting page on how the articles under review should be handled. (If you are not an EC-only member and wish to stop receiving EC meeting notifications, please leave a message on my talk page.)-- Exiled Jedi   (Greetings)  05:58, November 11, 2013 (UTC)

Ord Mantell
Cade, what source gives 11,884 BBY as the date for the colonization of Ord Mantell, and why did you remove the Dark Force Rising Sourcebook reference? That makes it look like the entire paragraph if sourced to Threats of the Galaxy, which is misleading since the book doesn't contain all of the information in that section. Werdoland (talk) 23:04, November 13, 2013 (UTC)

RE: 4350 BBY
Thank you for bringing this to my attention. It has since been corrected to reflect accurate information. I would ask that in the future, when adding   tags, you include that you have done so in your edit summary, so that it is immediately brought to the attention of the community at large.  —Tommy  9281  Friday, November 15, 2013, 04:55 UTC 
 * The information you found falls under the   rule. Although I will handle it (no further action is required on your part), you are more than capable of doing so yourself, and rather than add update tags, etc, you should consider taking such initiative in the future.  —Tommy   9281  Friday, November 15, 2013, 05:02 UTC 

Jedaii=-Rakata war
I get the comic early as I review it for Jedi new.s Just trust me.Darth Pickle 2 (talk) 23:16, November 17, 2013 (UTC)

Beedo
You have removed content from the Beedo page regarding Marolyn Turk playing the character citing unverified content. Not sure if these qualify as verified or not:

facebook.com/SciFiSignersUnited

"Marolyn Turk who portrayed 'Beedo' in Star Wars - Return of the Jedi will be attending the Memorabilia Birmingham show as a guest signer Nov. 23-24, 2013"

celebrityink.eu/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=3101

"MAROLYN TURK as Beedo - Star Wars: Episode VI - Return Of The Jedi"

aveleyman.com/ActorCredit.aspx?ActorID=77116

"Star Wars Episode VI: Return Of The Jedi - Beedo - 1983"

forum.rebelscum.com/photogallery/showphoto.php/photo/125235/title/turk-signing/cat/500

Turk Signing Beedo photographs

Revert

 * Is there a reason you reverted the edits to Matukai? I was fixing the italics of a book name that should be italicized. Atarumaster88  ( Talk page ) 04:34, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * I did? I was on my iPad and tried to click on the edit below the matukari one, and my browser froze up... When I just got it to reload now, it showed a permissions erro, so I'm betting something weird happened. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  06:02, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Lew Brell
The grammar and spelling were both actually improved by my edits. The quality of the article was improved immensely by them. Please read the version before my edits carefully and then make a judgement. The quality of the article before my edits was in dire need of a cleanup. I do not see how its current condition is acceptable. --Gnarscien (talk) 06:18, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * I wanted to apologize if you felt I was in any way disrespectful during our dispute over this, or that I was edit warring. I have settled for simply making corrections to the article's spelling and punctuation without removing anything. I still feel it needs a great deal more work, but I realize that feeling is not mutual. --Gnarscien (talk) 08:42, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * No reason to break up the paragraphs? What about for ease of reading? Typically, overly large paragraphs are discouraged, as they simply become "walls of text". Those paragraphs were far too large and did not separate the information into logical chunks. --Gnarscien (talk) 22:55, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Again, you're assuming that you know the site's standards. Paragraphs of that length are more than fine; they're the standard for most articles. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  22:56, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * If you say so. --Gnarscien (talk) 22:58, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Where it begins "In the year 3643...", a new paragraph should begin, as it brings up an entirely new time period in his life. --Gnarscien (talk) 23:00, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, because then we'd have a dozen single-sentence paragraphs. There's no need or reason to break up paragraphs like that. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  23:02, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * "A dozen single-sentence paragraphs?" No, just one additional paragraph. It is standard writing convention to begin a new paragraph when starting a new subject. What does it detract from the article that that one paragraph is split in two? --Gnarscien (talk) 23:07, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

My Sandbox Timeline
Hey Cade, just letting you know that you don't need to update my Sandbox Timeline anymore. I merged the format changes a while back, and now I copy the current page over to my sandbox anytime I want to test a change. Tainb&#39;ocu&#39;chulainn (talk) 19:21, November 20, 2013 (UTC)
 * Ah. Thanks for the heads-up. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  19:24, November 20, 2013 (UTC)

Double redirects
Hey Cade. When you're moving or redirecting an article, please make sure to check its corresponding "What links here" page to see if there are any double redirects that should be changed, as for Unidentified Rakata fighter. It'll save time for others and also depopulate the Double Redirects page. Thanks.  CC7567  (talk) 17:00, November 21, 2013 (UTC)
 * Sorry about that, and I'll be sure to check that from now on. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  21:58, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Hutt Cartel affiliation
While I mostly agree with the edits you're making to the characters with Template:Hutt Cartel character infobox, shouldn't the employees of Jabba and other Hutts that are confirmed to be affiliated also be considered affiliated and thus keep their Cartel infoboxes? Calk Fen, for instance? --Gnarscien (talk) 23:47, November 21, 2013 (UTC)

Question
Can I get the Welcome anon post please75.34.192.144 21:53, November 22, 2013 (UTC)

Nonstandard years
Hi Cade! First of all, great work automatizing Year. The issue is, though, that status articles about nonstandard years like 45-x-920p and 2-237-93 (see others) are messed up as a result. Could you kindly have a look into that? Cheers.  Stake black   msg 17:08, November 23, 2013 (UTC)
 * Nice! Thanks.  Stake black   msg 20:45, November 23, 2013 (UTC)

Re: Despot War
Star Wars: Dawn of the Jedi: Force Storm 1 does not give a definitive date for the start of the Despot War. While I agree that the issue does give a definitive end date of 25,805 BBY, the start date is still ambiguous. Please explain your revert. Bo Shuda (talk) 03:20, November 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Can you explain your latest edit also? Where exactly in the novel does it state this? Bo Shuda (talk) 03:24, November 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * I refuse to be goaded into another edit war with you so can you please explain your edits? I do not wish to have to take this any further. Bo Shuda (talk) 03:27, November 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Numerous places, including Queen Hadiya's quote in 25,805 where she is inciting the Settled Worlds against the Je'daii, place the beginning of the war in that year. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  03:35, November 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Thank you. But next time please include some form of descriptive note in the edit summary that explains your reasoning or provide a response on the users talk page. This is not the first time that you have caused conflict due to this trend. Bo Shuda (talk) 03:44, November 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * There is no need for that snide comment in the edit summary either. There was no need to make this personal. Backtracking your edit simply to avoid a "spectacle" rather than aspiring to provide accurate and well-informed information comes across that you're editing/reverting in a purely combative nature and/or taking a "your word against mine approach" rather than showing some restraint and valuing what others may have to offer. I hope you reflect on this as I, along with many others, only wish to improve the accuracy of the Wook. Bo Shuda (talk) 05:15, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

?? bold link
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Form_III:_Soresu it is the same as here???, --Marco 1907 (talk) 14:33, November 26, 2013 (UTC)
 * Hi there. It really shouldn't, and if I wasn't on a phone at the moment, I'd remove it. It's common practice to not link in bolded text for alternate names. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  14:36, November 26, 2013 (UTC)

Military Ranks
Why can't the different clone trooper ranks be kept on the Military Ranks page? It's useless to just have the highest rank in different militaries put on the military ranks page. The whole point is to have all the ranks. If there is a good reason for eliminating all the ranks below supreme commander, then why aren't the ranks during the Jedi civil war eliminated? I believe ideally all the ranks for all the different militaries should be added. People visiting the Military Rank page are probably looking for chain of command stuff. Everyone knows the Supreme Chancellor is completely in command of the Republic Military, so it's far more beneficial to include the ranks below.

76.18.4.243 14:48, November 29, 2013 (UTC)

Lifespans
Why are you reverting my edits? Purpilia (talk) 03:50, November 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Because, as you've been told before, that's not how the lifespan field is used. It's for the life expectancy. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  03:52, November 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * The why is it called life span? Doesn't the information I added speak to that. I mean, its viable information that deals with ages of the species.Purpilia (talk) 03:55, November 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * Then it belongs in the body, not the infobox. "Lifespan" is defined as the length of time that something is alive - the life expectancy - not what you've been adding. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  03:58, November 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * But that isn't what either of those terms mean. The differences between life span and life expectancy are way above what we normally catalog here. Life expectancy is an average, while life span is the greatest age ever to be reached. Isn't including the information the UAA provide a more encyclopedic approach that gives reader a more accurate picture of the species' age and more worthy of infobox placement then the oldest age ever reached or an average?Purpilia (talk) 04:02, November 30, 2013 (UTC)
 * No, because it's inordinate amounts of info that don't belong in the infobox. Five or six bullets on average is too much for a field; that info belongs in the body, and "lifespan" is just the variable name used in the template - the documentation identifies it as life expectancy, and that is how it is treated in status articles and other species articles. Cade  StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg  Calrayn  04:07, November 30, 2013 (UTC)

Pernicar
I just re-added that paragraph to the bts as it is necessary to explain the discrepancies between the two sources. Bo Shuda (talk) 01:59, December 3, 2013 (UTC)