Talk:Kyle Katarn

I personally don't have time to add any of this right now, but for those interested, a bunch of new biographical information has recently been put up at Wizards of the Coast's website, here. JSarek 18:48, 2 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Death in Star by Star
''Kyle was originally slated to die in the novel Star by Star, but the scene was removed at the last minute, to leave open the possibility of any New Jedi Order era games. ''

Was Kyle going to lead the Myrkr Strike Team, or was he to die in the Fall of Coruscant? -- SFH 05:36, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * It's often assumed his death would be at one of the important climaxes in the book. However my personal suspicion is that he was going to be one of the Jedi casually axed by a voxyn at the beginning of the novel.  I have no evidence for this, but given how much they wanted to establish the fact that the voxyn were a threat, and how few other places in the storyline he would have fit in, it seems most likely to me.  jSarek 10:09, 13 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Well if the voxyn theory is true, thank God they did take it out. The man can break into an Imperial facility practically blindfolded, and a six legged, oversized rotwieler takes him out? They didn't remove it for a possible video game, they took it out for lack of believability. -- SFH 16:11, 14 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * And, man, would they be unpopular if they killed him off. And true, he killed seven Dark Jedi without having received any formal jedi training, so if he died this way, it would be really stupid. KEJ 10:47, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * What's the source for his slated death? Author commentary? --SparqMan 02:37, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd like to know too. And I think a lot of other Katarn fans would ;-) KEJ 17:32, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * A panel discussion at Celebration III regarding the new (at the time) Legacy era, with Sue Rostoni, Shelly Shapiro, Leland Chee, Karen Traviss, Troy Denning, and Aaron Allston. Video of it is floating around somewhere at theforce.net. jSarek 18:50, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Cool. Maybe we should put this in the behind-the-scenes section with a link to the video if somebody ever finds it. KEJ 20:20, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Who created Mr. Katarn?
I'd just wanted to knew, thanks.

Name
I'd prefer if 'Kyle' hadn't been 'replaced with 'Katarn' for the reason that there is reference to another Katarn in the article - namely, Morgan Katarn; using 'Kyle' would diminish the chance of onfusing the reader. KEJ 13:12, 21 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * If used in teh same sentence, the father should be refered to as Morgan or "Katarn's father". --SparqMan 17:11, 21 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Could be a solution. Let's see how it works outKEJ 20:46, 21 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Lightsaber education
Who taught Katarn how to use his lightsaber in the first place? Or was he just going mostly on gut?--SparqMan 18:02, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * In Dietz' books, Kyle had already learned fencing at the Imperial Academy and later he was instructed by Qu Rahn's force-spirit. At the Valley of the Jedi, he was instructed by some of the jedi spirits trapped there, too. I guess he was also going on gut in addition to this. KEJ 18:16, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Yeah, he applied what he knew from his fencing lessons mostly. --Master Starkeiller 18:40, 26 Nov 2005 (UTC)


 * In the game, Morgan had set up a training wall in his workshop to practice attacks and had a bunch of remotes to help him train to deflect blasters. hash 12:12, 28 Nov 2005

Non-Video Game Appearances
I think Kyle Katarn has always been my favorite Star Wars character. Dark Forces was the game to open my eyes to the Expanded Universe, so Kyle's almost become the personification of the EU to me.

With that said, all I really know about him comes from the Dark Forces/Jedi Knight games, the three novelizations by William C. Dietz, and the content of this Wookieepedia page. So I'm curious: does he play a significant role in any of the novels or comics listed under "Appearances", or does he just make brief cameos? What other Star Wars reading would someone recommend to a Katarn fan?--SM-716 02:20, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I think he's the main character of Equals and Opposites. I haven't read it though, but I'd sure like to KEJ 17:29, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * They're mostly just cameos. Like KEJ said, he's the main character in Equals and Opposites, and during a Masters Council scene in The Unseen Queen he has a fair share of dialogue, but that's about it. Kuralyov 17:42, 1 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Lightsabers Used
This is something I've brought up every time I come across a Jedi Outcast/Kyle Katarn discussion on a postboard, so I'll bring it up here too. So let's see: the first saber Kyle used, the green one, once belonged to Jedi master Qu Rahn. Since the light-side ending of Dark Forces II: Jedi Knight is canonical, the green saber is smashed, and Kyle continues by taking Dark Jedi Yun's yellow saber. In Mysteries of the Sith, Katarn's saber is more of an orangey color, but if you were to tell me that it's supposed to still be Yun's saber, I can buy that.

But then where does Kyle's blue saber come from? He refers to it as HIS lightsaber when he retrieves it from the Jedi Temple in Outcast. I would assume he built it himself at some point, as lightsaber construction is an important step in a Jedi's training. But just WHEN did he do that? As far as I know, he used the yellow/orange saber up until the end of MotS... at which point, he renounced his connection to the Force (right? It's been a few years since I played it).

Is the blue saber just a plot hole to get Katarn to wield a Lucas-approved color, or is there actual reasoning behind it that I missed? What's everyone else's take on it? --SM-716 08:18, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Actually, after Mysteries of the Sith, he briefly attended the Jedi Praxeum before handing his lightsaber over to Skywalker. My guess would be, he made it as part of his training there. jSarek 09:27, 6 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Deleted image
This is the image I removed the the page:


 * It should be put back. There are plenty of live action images there already. QuentinGeorge 11:45, 7 Dec 2005 (UTC)