Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Log/2008 October 12

Session Start: Sat Oct 11 19:59 EST 2008 Session Ident: #wookieepedia-inquisitorius [19:59] <@Cull_Tremayne> !inqsignal [19:59] <@Nuku-Nuku> AdmirableAckbar! Ataru! CavalierOne! ChackJadson! Cull_Tremayne! Darth_Culator! Eyrezer! Gonk! Graestan! GreenTentacle! Grey-man! Imperialles! JainaSolo! LordHydronium! The4dotelipsis! Toprawa! Xwing328! [19:59] * @Graestan runs like a centaur now [19:59] <@Imperialles> Never do that again :| [19:59] <@Culator|Blarg> Sorry, we don't hire dirty centaurs. [19:59] <@Cull_Tremayne> That's the coolest command on the site. [19:59] <@Gonk|Busy> lol [19:59] <@GreenTentacle> I-still-don't-know-who. [20:00] <@The4dotelipsis> EhwahT? [20:00] <@Graestan> Meetin [20:00] <@Imperialles> Aight, 2 AM. [20:00] <@The4dotelipsis> Interesting. If I remain silent for some time, I'm serving a customer. :P [20:00] <@Imperialles> Start this thing. [20:00] <@Graestan> First order of business: [20:00] <@Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Winter_Celchu&diff=2187547&oldid=2154448 [20:00] <@Graestan> Nothin. [20:00] <@The4dotelipsis> Zero hour. 9 AM. [20:00] <@Graestan> Kill. [20:01] <@Imperialles> Kill. [20:01] <@ChackJadson> Kill [20:01] <@Toprawa> Kill [20:01] <@The4dotelipsis> Kill. [20:01] <@Graestan> Greyman says kill. [20:01] <@Cull_Tremayne> And I'm gonna be...high. [20:01] <@Culator|Blarg> Krill. [20:01] <@CavalierOne> Kill [20:01] <@Cull_Tremayne> Also kill. [20:01] <@Graestan> I tell ya she dead. [20:01] <@Toprawa> I say you he dead [20:01] <@Graestan> This one is less cut-and-dry: [20:01] <@Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Gaeriel_Captison&diff=2155585&oldid=2154461 [20:01] <@Eyrezer> Krill it is [20:01] <@Cull_Tremayne> Keep. [20:01] <@GreenTentacle> Keep. [20:01] <@Toprawa> is all the info in there? [20:01] <@The4dotelipsis> I plead ignorance and abstain. :P [20:02] <@Graestan> Keep, lots of improvement. [20:02] <@ChackJadson> Keep. It looks better. [20:02] <@Graestan> Greyman also sayskeep. [20:02] <@Imperialles> Abstain. [20:02] <@CavalierOne> Keep [20:02] <@Culator|Blarg> I didn't see much of a problem in the first place. [20:02] <@Culator|Blarg> So keep. [20:02] <@Gonk|Busy> Kreep. [20:03] <@Graestan> She's a kept woman. [20:03] <@Graestan> Next: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Ephant_Mon&oldid=2154475 [20:03] <@Graestan> No change. [20:03] <@Toprawa> Kill [20:03] <@Graestan> FAR is the last edit. [20:03] <@GreenTentacle> Kill. [20:03] <@ChackJadson> Acky wants it killed, so kill it [20:03] <@The4dotelipsis> Destray! Bahleet! [20:03] <@GreenTentacle> We don't even need to vote. [20:03] <@Cull_Tremayne> I'm still not sure why we're doing this... [20:03] <@Graestan> Kill from me and Greyman. [20:03] <@Eyrezer> Killllllllllll! [20:03] <@CavalierOne> Kill if Acky wants it to be killed. [20:03] <@Graestan> Because we need blood. [20:03] <@GreenTentacle> No change = kill by default [20:04] <@Graestan> Okay, another closer one:http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Star_Wars%3A_Knights_of_the_Old_Republic_(comics)&diff=2196485&oldid=2154482 [20:04] <@The4dotelipsis> And we need to demonstrate that this hen has teeth. [20:04] <@Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Star_Wars%3A_Knights_of_the_Old_Republic_(comics)&diff=2196485&oldid=2154482 [20:04] <@Cull_Tremayne> If he's going to fix it eventually, not sure why he wants to de-FA it. [20:04] <@The4dotelipsis> It's still not up to date. [20:04] <@Toprawa> Kill [20:04] <@GreenTentacle> It's not up to date on purpose. [20:04] <@Culator|Blarg> I'm afraid I have to disagree with Orville, Jack, and Mister. Can't we just do something to his voice box? [20:04] <@Gonk|Busy> We're voting to probe, yes? [20:04] <@The4dotelipsis> Keel Bond! Now! [20:04] <@Cull_Tremayne> Is this a probation vote? [20:04] <@GreenTentacle> He was avoiding spoilers. [20:04] <@GreenTentacle> Kill or keep. [20:04] <@Graestan> Gonk: No, this is from last meeting. [20:05] <@GreenTentacle> It's acquired intro refs. [20:05] <@Graestan> I am saying kill, I don't trust that it will be brought completely up-to-date and updated with regularity. [20:05] <@Graestan> Greyman says kill, too [20:05] <@The4dotelipsis> Yeah. Its daddy ran away, so... [20:05] <@ChackJadson> Kill, per Grae [20:05] <@CavalierOne> Kill. [20:05] <@Gonk|Busy> Gotta say kill. [20:05] <@GreenTentacle> Mauser has done a lot of work on it. [20:06] <@Gonk|Busy> Then it can be a GA. [20:06] <@GreenTentacle> And it's probably not that far off. [20:06] <@GreenTentacle> So a reluctant kill vote from me. [20:06] <@Graestan> Comics are no more. [20:06] <@Graestan> Okay, time for the new articles to be voted to keep or put on probation. [20:06] <@Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Padm%C3%A9_Amidala%27s_wardrobe [20:06] <@The4dotelipsis> Kill. [20:06] <@Gonk|Busy> Probedrobe. [20:06] <@Graestan> Don't get me started on this article. [20:06] <@Toprawa> Probe [20:07] <@The4dotelipsis> I mean probe. [20:07] <@Gonk|Busy> Per Grae :) [20:07] <@ChackJadson> Probe [20:07] <@GreenTentacle> Probe. [20:07] <@Graestan> Probe. Someone revive Solus from death. [20:07] <@CavalierOne> Probe [20:07] <@Toprawa> I will remind you that we are not here to debate the existence of monsters. [20:07] <@Graestan> haha [20:07] <@Graestan> Anyone else? [20:08] <@Graestan> She's probed. [20:08] <@Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Stinger [20:08] <@Toprawa> Keep [20:08] <@Graestan> Keep. [20:08] <@The4dotelipsis> Keep. [20:08] <@GreenTentacle> Keep!!! ;) [20:08] <@Toprawa> it was GTed [20:08] <@ChackJadson> Keep [20:08] <@CavalierOne> Keep [20:08] <@Graestan> GT did the legwork. [20:08] <@Culator|Blarg> K. [20:09] <@Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mandalore_the_Ultimate [20:09] <@Toprawa> Probe until it can be fixed [20:09] <@Graestan> Greyman: "Probation unless someone can update it before I can. Either way, I'll be giving it an overhaul when I get home to Canada, like I've said." [20:09] <@The4dotelipsis> Probe it in the bottom. [20:09] <@ChackJadson> Probation, I suppose [20:09] <@GreenTentacle> Meh. [20:09] <@Graestan> I concur. [20:09] <@CavalierOne> Probe until its sorted out. [20:09] <@GreenTentacle> I don't mind keeping and trusting him to fix it. [20:09] <@GreenTentacle> As long as it isn't featured before then. [20:09] <@Graestan> He said probe, otherwise I'd tend to agree. [20:09] <@The4dotelipsis> Eeeeeh, then it's misleading until such time. [20:10] <@Toprawa> ... [20:10] <@GreenTentacle> But yeah, if Grey says probe, then I guess I can't argue. [20:11] <@Culator|Blarg> I wouldn't tough Old Rustface with a ten foot beskad, but probe it anyway. [20:11] <@Graestan> It's featured far in the future. [20:11] <@Toprawa> "We gotta get out of this place...if it's the last thing we ever doooo" [20:11] <@Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cerea [20:11] <@Graestan> Probe. Greyman concurs. [20:11] <@Toprawa> apparently Cerea's been fixed? [20:11] <@ChackJadson> Imp fixed it, no? [20:11] <@GreenTentacle> Keep. [20:11] <@GreenTentacle> It's been fixed. [20:11] <@Toprawa> Keep if it's fixed [20:11] <@ChackJadson> Yeah. Keep. [20:11] <@Toprawa> I didn't look at it [20:11] <@The4dotelipsis> KOTOR CG info added, as far as I can tell. Keep. [20:11] <@GreenTentacle> Imperialles: Explain yourself, man. :P [20:12] <@Culator|Blarg> We can keep Remulak. [20:12] <@CavalierOne> Keep [20:12] <@Culator|Blarg> I mean Cerea. [20:12] <@Graestan> I still think it's a bit short, but if you all insist. [20:12] <@Toprawa> You can reprobe it next meeting :P [20:12] <@The4dotelipsis> ...not if he doesn't want to get smacked over the head with a newspaper, he can't. :P [20:13] <@GreenTentacle> Heh. [20:13] <@Graestan> Narfle the garthok. [20:13] <@Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Harrar [20:13] <@Toprawa> Harrar himself said it's lacking, and he wrote it [20:13] <@Toprawa> Probe on his word [20:13] <@Gonk|Busy> It's hard to barfle nargle zauss. [20:13] <@Graestan> Is he being overmodest? [20:13] <@GreenTentacle> He ain't gonna be fixing it anytime soon. [20:13] <@Graestan> With all those marbles in your mouth. [20:13] <@ChackJadson> Yeah. I put this up here. It's missing stuff from Dark Journey, and the like [20:14] <@The4dotelipsis> Pleading ignorance here again. [20:14] <@ChackJadson> So, probe. [20:14] <@GreenTentacle> But I don't personally know what's wrong with it. [20:14] <@Graestan> Dark Journey [20:14] <@GreenTentacle> If it's missing stuff, then probe. [20:14] <@Graestan> I vote to strike DJ from canon [20:14] <@Graestan> Otherwise, probe, yes [20:14] <@ChackJadson> It could be more comprehensive from bascially everything [20:14] <@The4dotelipsis> Elaine Cunningham raped my childhood. [20:15] <@Graestan> :S [20:15] <@CavalierOne> Probe, although with Harrar gone, I'm afraid it might get overlooked. [20:15] <@Graestan> C'est la vie [20:15] <@GreenTentacle> Say the old folks. [20:15] <@Gonk|Busy> Abstain [20:15] <@ChackJadson> Someone will fix it someday [20:15] <@Graestan> Chack will [20:15] <@Graestan> in 2013 [20:15] <@Graestan> :P [20:15] <@ChackJadson> Heh...maybe [20:15] <@Graestan> Next: [20:15] <@Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rokur_Gepta [20:15] <@Gonk|Busy> Probe [20:15] <@Graestan> Not comprehensive. [20:15] <@ChackJadson> Probe [20:15] <@Graestan> Probe. [20:15] <@GreenTentacle> Probe. [20:15] <@Toprawa> Probe [20:16] <@Graestan> It's in need of repair. [20:16] <@Culator|Blarg> Shoot. [20:16] <@The4dotelipsis> Ear lobe. [20:16] <@CavalierOne> Probe. [20:16] <@Graestan> Wow, no more articles. [20:16] <@ChackJadson> That was fast [20:16] <@Graestan> Okay, on to the painful part [20:16] <@Toprawa> Can we leave? [20:17] <@Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Wookieepedia%3AFeatured_article_nominations&diff=2186372&oldid=2186184 [20:17] <@Graestan> I don't like when people act like this. [20:17] <@ChackJadson> Yeah. That was rude. [20:17] <@GreenTentacle> ... [20:17] <@GreenTentacle> What bit? [20:18] <@Graestan> "Easy fix; you could've done this one even with no knowledge of the source material. " [20:18] <@Gonk|Busy> I wouldn't say he was being a full-on jerk, but he should have phrased it more delicately. And delicate phrasing is probably a good thing in areas as contentious as FAN. [20:18] <@Graestan> "Linked. Another easy, easy fix" [20:18] <@Toprawa> what I will say in defense of myself, not that I need to, is that I fully understand and apply to my reviewing. If I can't fix something, I make an objection. I'm not going to rewrite an article for someone [20:19] <@GreenTentacle> I don't think it was rude. [20:19] <@Graestan> this isn't about this particular article, per se, but I was hoping Ataru would be here because I get the feeling things led up to this snark [20:19] <@GreenTentacle> At least, I don't think he intended it to be. [20:19] <@Gonk|Busy> I think he at least intended to be brusque. [20:20] <@Gonk|Busy> Which shouldn't be encouraged either. It ain't IRC. [20:20] <@The4dotelipsis> Gotta agree with GT here. I don't have anything to do with it, but from the outside...this all seems a little bit like mountains and molehills to me. [20:20] <@Toprawa> FWIW, I was pretty insulted by it. [20:21] <@Toprawa> There was no need for that whatsoever [20:21] <@Graestan> at any rate, I see a "line" as far as interacting with nominators and objectors, and I hope everyone shares this philosophy and tries not to have double-standards when it comes to their own "lines" [20:21] <@Toprawa> I didn't instigate anything [20:21] * @Imperialles (n=Imperial@wikia/Imperialles) Quit (Connection timed out�) [20:22] <@Graestan> that's all from me; I know you don't all agree with my initial interpretation of it, but if Ataru had shown up I could have tried to get to the bottom of this; I know there's been a lot of related chatter [20:22] <@The4dotelipsis> Maybe he was offended by having his writing called "bland", or having wording that "just stinks." Doesn't make any supposed rudeness on his part right, but...you know. I think it comes down to the fact that everyone needs to be a little more thick-skinned. [20:22] <@Toprawa> but he didn't write, 4dot [20:22] <@Toprawa> it wasn't his article [20:22] <@ChackJadson> Thrawn did, mostly [20:22] <@Toprawa> he's taking offense to nothing [20:23] <@The4dotelipsis> I see. [20:23] <@GreenTentacle> Regardless, such criticisms of others' writing should also be avoided. [20:24] <@GreenTentacle> I know at least one person who took offence to an objection to their writing style. [20:24] <@The4dotelipsis> Indeed. If we're all so worried about being offended, perhaps the objections themselves should be more diplomatic. [20:24] <@Graestan> I'd agree that Toprawa was close to his own line and possibly over that of others, but he never goes so far as Ataru did there [20:24] <@Toprawa> I think that's ultimately beside the point. [20:24] <@Toprawa> if I had directly insulted Ataru's writing, that's one thing [20:24] <@Toprawa> But this is not the case [20:26] <@The4dotelipsis> I think the point is that both you and Ataru used strong words, obviously someone, somewhere got upset over it... [20:26] <@Graestan> no [20:26] <@The4dotelipsis> And...it's not really as major as it's being made out to be. [20:26] <@Graestan> Toprawa didn't go so far as Atarudid [20:26] <@The4dotelipsis> That's debatable. [20:27] <@GreenTentacle> I'm with 4dot. [20:27] <@Gonk|Busy> Delicate phrasing encouraged from nominators, objectors, defenders, interested parties, and anybody else on FAN. People get touchy about writing -- I see this every day IRL. [20:27] <@Eyrezer> Ataru was the master of making those kind of objections... [20:27] <@Graestan> it wasn't a personal fight between two people, it was a review and requests for changes [20:27] <@The4dotelipsis> To me, it's all the same. [20:27] <@Toprawa> If I took any liberty here, its because I'm reviewing an article written by someone who for my money doesn't even exist. Not that that's defending any "harsh wording" I used, but Ataru took something that wasn't even directed at him and threw it right back in my face, unnecessarily [20:28] <@Toprawa> if he didn't appreciate what I said, he needs to come and tal kto me directly [20:28] <@Toprawa> not leave it on the FAN page [20:28] <@GreenTentacle> Sure. [20:28] <@GreenTentacle> These things are better resolved on here. [20:28] <@The4dotelipsis> If Toprawa's objections had been entirely neutral (and "sugarcoated") and Ataru had reacted in the way that he did, damn right I'd be asking some questions. [20:28] <@Graestan> well, I think everyone is well aware which nominators put up a stink when they get objections, period, let alone lists of them - in short, I'd advise avoiding them and not enabling their behavior [20:28] <@Graestan> but Ataru stepped in, made it a fight with Toprawa [20:29] <@Graestan> I don't like this [20:29] <@Toprawa> so whether anyone's right or wrong, isn't the point - it's just a reminder to leave the bullshit off the FAN page [20:29] <@The4dotelipsis> Agreed. [20:29] <@Graestan> indeed [20:29] <@The4dotelipsis> All brawling should be kept in here, or in PMs or something. I don't care which. [20:29] <@Graestan> yes [20:29] <@GreenTentacle> Yeah. [20:29] <@Graestan> that is exactly what I was looking for [20:30] <@Graestan> no reason to embarrass people or make a fool of oneself [20:30] <@Graestan> alright, Chack? [20:30] <@Gonk|Busy> Now, WHO WANTS MUFFINS?! :DD http://darth.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Tgc24-4.png [20:30] <@Toprawa> heh [20:30] <@GreenTentacle> Can I get some blue milk with that? [20:30] <@ChackJadson> Yeah. Can everyone just try to do more work, and review mor often? [20:31] <@Culator|Blarg> No. [20:31] <@Graestan> I'm already on it. ;) [20:31] <@Gonk|Busy> oh, meeting's not done yet :p [20:31] <@The4dotelipsis> "You are Oreilly men. You work, men." [20:31] * @Gonk|Busy promises to review something sometime reasonably soon :) [20:31] <@ChackJadson> Like I said, that's pretty much it. I don't want to whine about it or anything [20:32] <@The4dotelipsis> I'll Inq whiles I Wook. And Wook whiles I Inq. [20:32] <@The4dotelipsis> And like another Sinon I'll take another Troy... [20:32] <@Graestan> Okay, it's my best friend's birthday, and he and the pizza are here. Good evening. [20:32] <@ChackJadson> Jsut it'd be nice if we had more than a few Inqs consistently reviewing [20:32] * @CavalierOne resolves to increase productivity. [20:32] <@ChackJadson> See ya [20:32] * Graestan is now known as Grae|Away [20:32] <@Culator|Blarg> The rest of the interview will be centaur questions. [20:32] <@Gonk|Busy> I bid you all INQ PARTINGS