Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Log/2020 January 11

[21:59:27]  Okay all, welcome to Inq meeting 111 [21:59:32]  Old stuff first [21:59:45]  No significant changes for any of these [21:59:53]  https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/First_Battle_of_Felucia [21:59:58]  https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8679372 [22:00:04]  https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/First_Battle_of_Felucia [22:00:07]  Kill [22:00:07]  Kill [22:00:07]  Kill [22:00:10]  kill [22:00:15] Kill [22:00:26]  IG-72 on steroids [22:00:26]  First_Battle_of_Felucia killed [22:00:36]  Ignore the underscores, I'm lazy [22:00:43]  https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Rescue_on_the_Tranquility/Legends [22:00:47]  https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8679379 [22:00:52]  https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Rescue_on_the_Tranquility/Legends [22:00:53] <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill [22:00:55] <Imperators> kill [22:00:56] <Toprawa> Kill [22:00:58] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [22:01:03] Kill [22:01:10] <Tommy-Macaroni> Rescue_on_the_Tranquility/Legends killed [22:01:15] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Iziz [22:01:21] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8679382 [22:01:24] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Battle_of_Iziz [22:01:25] <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill [22:01:26] <Toprawa> Kill [22:01:26] Kill [22:01:27] <Imperators> kill [22:01:27] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [22:01:38] <Tommy-Macaroni> Battle_of_Iziz killed [22:01:46] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Nebulon_Ranger [22:01:50] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8679389 [22:01:57] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Nebulon_Ranger [22:01:58] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [22:01:59] <Toprawa> Kill [22:01:59] <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill [22:02:00] <Imperators> kill [22:02:08] <Tommy-Macaroni> Nebulon_Ranger killed [22:02:09] Kill [22:02:16] <Tommy-Macaroni> Oops sorry EJ [22:02:22] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Satal_Keto [22:02:28] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8679391 [22:02:33] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Satal_Keto [22:02:34] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [22:02:35] <Imperators> kill [22:02:36] <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill [22:02:37] Kill [22:02:38] <Toprawa> Kill [22:02:45] <Tommy-Macaroni> Keto killed [22:02:57] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Aleema_Keto [22:03:01] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8679393 [22:03:06] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Aleema_Keto_(second_review) [22:03:07] <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill [22:03:07] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [22:03:08] <Toprawa> Kill [22:03:09] <Imperators> kill [22:03:12] Kill [22:03:17] <Tommy-Macaroni> Keto 2 killed [22:03:22] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Tiaan_Jerjerrod/Legends [22:03:27] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8679395 [22:03:32] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Tiaan_Jerjerrod/Legends [22:03:33] <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill [22:03:34] <Imperators> kill [22:03:34] <Toprawa> Kill [22:03:36] Kill [22:03:42] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill, rest in peace, my beautiful prince [22:03:49] <Tommy-Macaroni> Tiann killed [22:03:57] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Nullada [22:04:03] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8679397 [22:04:08] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Nullada [22:04:09] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [22:04:09] <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill [22:04:10] <Imperators> kill [22:04:11] <Toprawa> Kill [22:04:16] Kill [22:04:18] <Tommy-Macaroni> Nullada killed [22:04:24] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Jori_Daragon [22:04:28] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8679399 [22:04:33] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Jori_Daragon_(second_review) [22:04:35] <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill [22:04:35] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [22:04:36] <Imperators> kill [22:04:41] Kill [22:04:44] <Toprawa> Kill [22:04:49] <Tommy-Macaroni> Jori killed [22:04:56] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Unidentified_Alderaanian_stormtrooper [22:05:01] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/index.php?diff=cur&oldid=8679402 [22:05:06] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Unidentified_Alderaanian_stormtrooper [22:05:07] <Imperators> kill [22:05:08] <AnilSerifoglu> Kill [22:05:09] <Toprawa> Kill [22:05:09] <Tommy-Macaroni> Kill [22:05:15] Kill [22:05:21] <Tommy-Macaroni> Unidentified_Alderaanian_stormtrooper killed [22:05:31] <Tommy-Macaroni> Okay, new stuff [22:05:43] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Operation:_Knightfall [22:05:49] <Tommy-Macaroni> Social media citation without screenshot [22:05:49] <Tommy-Macaroni> Missing backup links [22:05:49] <Tommy-Macaroni> Unnecessary comment tags [22:05:49] <Tommy-Macaroni> Image captions and filenames need to be properly formatted. [22:05:49] <Tommy-Macaroni> BBY/ABY dates probably need additional sources. [22:05:50] <Tommy-Macaroni> Pretty sure there are multiple Encyclopedia entries that should be listed in the Sources. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders Anıl Şerifoğlu (talk) 21:37, December 12, 2019 (UTC) [22:05:50] <Tommy-Macaroni> This needs to be checked out and, if the name "Operation: Knightfall" is really not used in sources released prior to the article move mentioned in the forum thread, the article's BTS should be updated accordingly. Imperators II(Talk) 18:40, December 17, 2019 (UTC) [22:05:52] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [22:05:55] <Imperators> probe [22:05:55] <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe [22:06:00] <Toprawa> Probe [22:06:00] Probe [22:06:07] <Tommy-Macaroni> Operation:_Knightfall probed [22:06:14] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Tiems [22:06:20] <Tommy-Macaroni> Redlink [22:06:20] <Tommy-Macaroni> The reference for the 0 ABY date is insufficient as it does not provide any source for the date of the Evacuation of Yavin. [22:06:20] <Tommy-Macaroni> The BTS needs to be fully sourced. [22:06:20] <Tommy-Macaroni> Reference 4 needs to explain why that information can be applied to the planet Tiems.--Exiled Jedi (talk) 16:32, December 15, 2019 (UTC) [22:06:20] <Tommy-Macaroni> If no part of the battle actually took place in space, it's unnecessary to go into such graphic detail on its location in the infobox (i.e., we don't need to list the system, sector, and galactic region). Those details probably aren't strictly necessary for the article body either. [22:06:20] <Tommy-Macaroni> It's customary now to designate individual items in battle infoboxes using numerals rather than words (i.e., 4, rather than four), which is also good quick-reference practice for readers. [22:06:20] <Tommy-Macaroni> "The battle" section could benefit from subsectioning [22:06:21] <Tommy-Macaroni> Article needs to revise for MOS rule on rank capitalization, specifically in regards to the unnamed Imperial general [22:06:21] <Tommy-Macaroni> It has never been an accepted practice to list chapters for WEG sourcebooks in the Sources list. In fact, this is the first I've ever seen it done. Those should just be removed. [22:06:22] <Tommy-Macaroni> SW.com Databank name needs to be formatted correctly [22:06:22] <Tommy-Macaroni> Ref 2 needs to be fully linked for all items. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:45, January 9, 2020 (UTC) [22:06:23] <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe [22:06:23] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [22:06:25] <Imperators> probe [22:06:25] <Toprawa> Probe [22:06:27] Probe [22:06:34] <Tommy-Macaroni> Battle_of_Tiems probed [22:06:42] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Dyer/Legends [22:06:48] <Tommy-Macaroni> When I edited to get rid of source/appearance regurgitating, a quick check of the word count after found below the minimum 1000 words. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 12:40, December 22, 2019 (UTC) [22:06:52] <Toprawa> Probe [22:06:53] <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe [22:06:53] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [22:06:53] <Imperators> probe [22:07:00] Probe [22:07:05] <Tommy-Macaroni> Dyer/Legends probed [22:07:10] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Foerost_(Great_Sith_War) [22:07:17] <Tommy-Macaroni> Digitize all comic images [22:07:17] <Tommy-Macaroni> Some minor bullet cleanup needed in the infobox [22:07:17] <Tommy-Macaroni> General underlinking throughout [22:07:17] <Tommy-Macaroni> Intro could use a paragraph break [22:07:17] <Tommy-Macaroni> Not all the BBY dates are referenced properly [22:07:17] <Tommy-Macaroni> BTS has reference notes but is not completely and properly sourced for all statements therein [22:07:17] <Tommy-Macaroni> First appearance should note publication date in the BTS [22:07:18] <Tommy-Macaroni> Technically, this Chronicles of the Old Republic thing should be able to employ the LucasArts website citation template with a proper link to the original URL [22:07:18] <Tommy-Macaroni> Format StarWars.com Databank entry name correctly [22:07:19] <Tommy-Macaroni> Reference 5 needs to employ Citeweb. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:16, January 9, 2020 (UTC) [22:07:19] <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe [22:07:20] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [22:07:22] <Toprawa> Probe [22:07:23] Probe [22:07:23] <Imperators> probe [22:07:31] <Tommy-Macaroni> Battle_of_Foerost_(Great_Sith_War) probed [22:07:35] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Battle_of_Koros_Major [22:07:43] <Tommy-Macaroni> Infobox issues: [22:07:43] <Tommy-Macaroni> The Previous and Next battle fields should pipelink to avoid the parentheses [22:07:43] <Tommy-Macaroni> None of the BBY dates in the article, including here, are referenced correctly [22:07:43] <Tommy-Macaroni> Bullet cleanup needed [22:07:43] <Tommy-Macaroni> General underlinking throughout [22:07:43] <Tommy-Macaroni> The Intro, Prelude, first History paragraph, and the Aftermath could all benefit from paraph breaks [22:07:43] <Tommy-Macaroni> BTS should include publication date for the first appearance [22:07:44] <Tommy-Macaroni> The last two BTS sentences can just be removed [22:07:44] <Tommy-Macaroni> CSWE in Sources list needs to use CSWECite, as does reference 9. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:16, January 9, 2020 (UTC) [22:07:45] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [22:07:47] <Imperators> probe [22:07:48] <Toprawa> Probe [22:07:50] <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe [22:07:59] Probe [22:08:00] <Tommy-Macaroni> Battle_of_Koros_Major probed [22:08:05] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Binding_Ceremony_of_Oron_Kira_and_Galia [22:08:11] <Tommy-Macaroni> I question which source actually uses the term "Binding Ceremony of Oron Kira and Galia." Should this article instead have the Conjecture template? And if it is conjectural, it certainly seems there's no reason to capitalize "Ceremony." [22:08:11] <Tommy-Macaroni> BBY dates can't be sourced to the TOTJ comics [22:08:11] <Tommy-Macaroni> General underlinking throughout [22:08:11] <Tommy-Macaroni> The size of the intro, particularly now in Wikia skin, is way too long. The size of the first paragraph, with a paragraph break insert, would be sufficient. [22:08:11] <Tommy-Macaroni> Layout Guide requires the section be titled "The Ceremony/ceremony" (depending on the capitalization issue of the first objection above) [22:08:11] <Tommy-Macaroni> Likewise, "Legacy" should become "Aftermath" [22:08:11] <Tommy-Macaroni> Quite a few giant-sized Monobook-era paragraphs throughout the article could use breaks [22:08:12] <Tommy-Macaroni> BTS is unsourced [22:08:12] <Tommy-Macaroni> Things like illustrator and publication date for first appearance in BTS would be nice [22:08:13] <Tommy-Macaroni> Article needs to be referenced by individual comic issue, not story arc, meaning this entire page's referencing pretty much needs to be overhauled. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:56, January 9, 2020 (UTC) [22:08:13] <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe [22:08:15] <Imperators> probe [22:08:17] <Toprawa> Probe [22:08:19] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [22:08:25] Probe [22:08:27] <Tommy-Macaroni> Binding_Ceremony_of_Oron_Kira_and_Galia probed [22:08:32] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Destruction_of_Taris [22:08:38] <Tommy-Macaroni> I almost can't believe there isn't some kind of reference made to this event in any of the sources that would allow us to move this article to a non-conjectural title. Certainly something must use "the destruction of Taris" or something somewhere. Considering this article became an FA back in 2008, before we really started paying attention to this naming issue for battle articles, I'm just [22:08:38] <Tommy-Macaroni> assuming this was never thoroughly checked. [22:08:38] <Tommy-Macaroni> General underlinking throughout [22:08:38] <Tommy-Macaroni> The Monobook-era intro is just way too big [22:08:38] <Tommy-Macaroni> Intro-exclusive information [22:08:38] <Tommy-Macaroni> The Layout Guide requires "The bombardment" to become "The destruction," per the name of the article [22:08:38] <Tommy-Macaroni> It certainly seems like there is room for several more images, particularly for the information coming from the video game [22:08:39] <Tommy-Macaroni> BTS is not properly sourced [22:08:39] <Tommy-Macaroni> Release date and developer in BTS would be nice [22:08:40] <Tommy-Macaroni> Both of the SW.com Databank backup links are not working. Are these truly not available? [22:08:40] <Tommy-Macaroni> Ref 4 needs to be more specific about what source this information is coming from [22:08:41] <Tommy-Macaroni> Refs 25 and 26 need to use Citeweb [22:08:41] <Tommy-Macaroni> References list needs a scroll box. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:56, January 9, 2020 (UTC) [22:08:42] <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe [22:08:45] <Toprawa> Probe [22:08:46] <Imperators> probe [22:08:46] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [22:08:52] Probe [22:08:55] <Tommy-Macaroni> Destruction_of_Taris probed [22:09:02] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/First_Battle_of_Onderon_(Naddist_Uprising) [22:09:06] <Tommy-Macaroni> The Appearances and referencing needs to be ordered by individual comic issue, not story arc. This entire article's referencing needs to be overhauled. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:56, January 9, 2020 (UTC) [22:09:09] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [22:09:10] <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe [22:09:11] <Toprawa> Probe [22:09:14] <Imperators> probe [22:09:22] Probe [22:09:30] <Tommy-Macaroni> First_Battle_of_Onderon_(Naddist_Uprising) probed [22:09:38] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Political_uprising_of_the_Empress_Teta_system [22:09:48] <Tommy-Macaroni> I'd like someone to verify which source uses the term "political uprising of the Empress Teta system" and, assuming there is one, why we're going that over "political uprising in the Empress Teta system," which is the phrase used in the opening quote. [22:09:48] <Tommy-Macaroni> Digitize all comic images [22:09:48] <Tommy-Macaroni> BBY dates can't be sourced to TOTJ comics [22:09:48] <Tommy-Macaroni> I'd say the intro could be cut down (the first paragraph is about all it needs to be in size), and could then use a paragraph break [22:09:48] <Tommy-Macaroni> General underlinking throughout [22:09:48] <Tommy-Macaroni> Layout Guide requires section to be named "Prelude" [22:09:48] <Tommy-Macaroni> Paragraph breaks should be inserted throughout the entirety of the article [22:09:49] <Tommy-Macaroni> BTS unsourced. Things like authors and publication dates would be nice. [22:09:49] <Tommy-Macaroni> Reference error [22:09:50] <Tommy-Macaroni> Article needs to be referenced by individual comic issue, not story arc [22:09:53] <Tommy-Macaroni> - Tope, I assume [22:09:55] <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe [22:09:56] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [22:09:57] Probe [22:09:59] <Toprawa> Did I not sign? :P [22:10:00] <Imperators> probe [22:10:01] <Toprawa> Probe [22:10:11] <Tommy-Macaroni> Political uprising of the Empress Teta system probed [22:10:23] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Second_Battle_of_Onderon [22:10:31] <Tommy-Macaroni> Since the formal name of this event comes from CSWE, it would be appropriate to introduce that reference into the article someplace. It's strange that there isn't a single CSWE reference in the entire page, when that's apparently the only source for this name. Moreover, this naming development should definitely be detailed and referenced as thus in the BTS, which it is not. [22:10:32] <Tommy-Macaroni> Article needs to be revamped to match Layout Guide stipulation for battle articles [22:10:32] <Tommy-Macaroni> Digitize all comic images [22:10:32] <Tommy-Macaroni> BBY dates cannot be sourced to TOTJ material [22:10:32] <Tommy-Macaroni> Revise image captions for appropriate punctuation [22:10:32] <Tommy-Macaroni> BTS is unsourced. Publication dates would be nice. [22:10:32] <Tommy-Macaroni> CSWE in Sources list presumably needs to use CSWECite [22:10:33] <Tommy-Macaroni> Ref 8 should use Citeweb or something. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 22:56, January 9, 2020 (UTC) [22:10:33] <Tommy-Macaroni> Probe [22:10:35] <Imperators> probe [22:10:36] <AnilSerifoglu> Probe [22:10:37] <Toprawa> Probe [22:10:37] Probe [22:10:44] <Tommy-Macaroni> Second_Battle_of_Onderon probed [22:11:01] <Tommy-Macaroni> That's it for our 10 new things [22:11:09] <Tommy-Macaroni> Anyone have anything else to discuss? [22:11:20] I do not. [22:11:22] <AnilSerifoglu> Nope [22:12:43] <Imperators> noooooooooo [22:13:06] <Tommy-Macaroni> Okay cool [22:13:13] <Tommy-Macaroni> Anyone have a randomiser to hand? [22:13:24] <Tommy-Macaroni> We should probably update this now [22:13:24] <Tommy-Macaroni> https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Inquisitorius_bylaws [22:13:33] <Toprawa> We're at the end? [22:13:36] <Toprawa> I can do it [22:13:38] <AnilSerifoglu> I'm on paperwork, yay :P [22:13:47] <Tommy-Macaroni> Anil is on paperwork, and schedules meeting 112 [22:13:55] <Tommy-Macaroni> Yeah, but thats the last one [22:14:07] <Toprawa>    Supreme Emperor [22:14:07] <Toprawa>    Imperators II* [22:14:07] <Toprawa>    Toprawa and Ralltiir* [22:14:07] <Toprawa>    Exiledjedi* [22:14:08] <Toprawa>    AnilSerifoglu* [22:14:08] <Toprawa>    Tommy-Macaroni* [22:14:10] <Toprawa>    Xd1358* [22:14:37] <Tommy-Macaroni> July-ish, I can live with that [22:14:44] <Tommy-Macaroni> Cool, thus finished meeting 111 [22:14:50] <Tommy-Macaroni> Thanks for coming, and making it nice and quick [22:14:53] <AnilSerifoglu> Thank you for hosting, Tommy [22:14:55] Thanks for hosting. [22:14:57] <Imperators> thanks for hosting [22:15:17] <Toprawa> Thanks, Tommy