Talk:Palpatine/Archive10

Vader
I'm wondering, when Sidious was rescueing Vader, didn't it occur to him that if Vader 'bought it', he could clone him. Of cource such a clone would be slightly less powerful than the actual Vader, but it would still be incredibly powerful, and its powers wouldn't be limited by prosthetics. user:Darth Vatrir
 * That's a really good question, Vatrir, but unless some EU writer writes a story in which Palpatine does make a clone from the DNA of the deep-fried Anakin, we'll just have to assume it didn't occur to him to do that. To be fair to him, he was kind of distracted. But can you imagine him, after he's put crispy Anakin in the black suit and all, suddenly realizing "Oh, I could have just cloned him! Duh!" and slapping his own forehead? Erik Pflueger [[Image:Galactic_Republic.JPG|20px]] 22:06, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you. Maybe I should write the EU story. And I came up with another perk of cloning Vader, Sidious could raise the clone to be completely loyal to him, thusly avoid the danger of Sith master-apprentice one-kill-the-other relationships. user:Darth Vatrir
 * The problem with that is that the two Karen Traviss short stories about Vader, which take place soon after ROTS, imply that for some reason, Sidious wants Vader to try to betray him. Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader seems to imply the same thing. Somehow it has something to do being a natural sign of his growth as a Sith. It may be that he didn't want Vader to actually succeed, just to try it. I have a problem wrapping my head around it fully, and until then I can't speak fully about the matter, but I'm not sure that cloning a version of Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader that had the same genetically-programmed loyalty as, say, a clone trooper cloned from Jango Fett, would be what Palpatine needed or wanted. Erik Pflueger [[Image:Galactic_Republic.JPG|20px]] 03:44, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I don't mean genetically-programed loyalty, I mean raised to be loyal. Loyalty from a regular person, regardless of how great, can be destroyed. Darth Vatrir
 * Well Sidious only made Maul a DLOS after he was betrayed by him, so maybe it's kinda the same thing. Darth Abeonis Sith Council (Sith Campaign) 19:33, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * In one book or comic book or something like that, that is called Galaxie of fear: clones it says something about a clone of vader.
 * Well, for some strange reason, that clone also had the suit and possibly the artificial limbs as well, so it was just as limited. Darth Vatrir
 * Well, there wasn't a mature Anakin at the time those books were made. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * True, but I'm viewing this from an in-universe perspective. Darth Vatrir
 * Well, if he were to have a cloned Anakin as an apprentice, his apprentice wouldn't be the Chosen One. Granted, the clone would probably be Force-sensitive, but I don't know if Anakin's Chosen One-talents could be duplicated. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 03:05, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Another reason could be Palpatine didn't want a more powerful Anakin. The pre-suit Vader was more powerful than Palpatine, and therefore a threat. But the post-suit Vader was 80% of the Emperor's power, so he wasn't so much of a threat anymore. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 03:06, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
 * but wasn't the hole reason for palpatine wanting anakin as his apprentice was because of the fact that he was more powerful? 69.23.65.113 02:16, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

Augie
It might be worth mentioning, in the section regarding speculation about Palpatine's name, that the melody from the "Augie's Great Municipal Band" song in The Phantom Menace is exactly the same as Palpatine's theme music from "The Emperor's Throne Room" from Return of the Jedi, except in a major key instead of a minor one. This might lend further credence to the claim that "Augie" is Palpatine, and I think it's at least worth putting in the article. - Grand Moff Chloe


 * The problem, Chloe, is that that's a claim no one really has an interest in lending credence to. I noticed that fact that the Gungan band was playing Palpatine's theme in a major key two seconds after they started playing it, and I don't know anyone who failed to notice it. But does that mean that Palpatine is Augie, or that his first name is Augustus? That's a leap most of us can't make, and don't want to. The idea that this was his first name is strictly fan speculation, and with the sole exception you cite, there is absolutely nothing to back it up that is canon. In fact, there are no first names that are recognized by the Lucas authorities, and without something from them, everything else is just academic.

Now, let me make another suggestion: if you mean that the inclusion of that theme in the film was one of the film's hints that Palpatine was actually not the gentle being he posed as, that he was in fact the same Darth Sidious that was behind everything, then yes, it deserves inclusion in the behind the scenes section of the article. It was probably more important back when his identity as Sidious had not been absolutely confirmed in ROTS, and those who believed in it had to use whatever they had to back their claim up. Nowadays, it's more of an anecdotal reference, a way of saying "I remember when that was real grist for the 'Palpatine-is-really-Sidious' discussion." Ah, those were the days... Erik Pflueger  20:14, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * When was there ever a debate on whether Palpatine and Sidious were the same person? I knew it was him the first time he showed up, and not just from seeing Episodes IV-VI.  Anyone in-universe who saw a picture of Sidious cowled with just his jaw sticking out of the shadow should have been able to look at the profile and realize who they were dealing with.  Jwebb13 HoloNet[[Image:oldsith.jpg|40px]] 05:14, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * If they ever do reveal his name, I hope it's Augustus, or just August. Sounds cool. Not like Frank. But that's a joke anyway. .  .  .  .  21:29, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm more inclined towards Ethril Palpatine, if only because we were a short hair away from having that be official as early as TPM, until Lucas said no. In other words, out of all of the supposed first names, it was the closest thing to canon we're likely to get for now. So close, and yet so not. But since it's not, as I said, it's all academic. I don't understand LFL's reluctance to give him any kind of first name, truth be told. I mean, who's it gonna hurt? Erik Pflueger [[Image:Galactic_Republic.JPG|20px]] 22:01, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm still praying for August. Ethril? Was that in the early drafts or something? .  .  .  .  22:17, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * No, I wish. From what I understand - actually, someone put this on the Palpatine page - is that someone (possibly David West Reynolds, since he wrote the book) put the name Ethril into early drafts of the Episode I Visual Dictionary, but Lucas said no to this. I wish he'd done otherwise, but there it is. Erik Pflueger [[Image:Galactic_Republic.JPG|20px]] 23:03, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Gah! I wish someone would give him a goddamn name already! Maybe his grandson could be named after him...making his make Ken ;) .  .  .  .  23:06, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Ewwww... Erik Pflueger [[Image:Galactic_Republic.JPG|20px]] 03:37, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I am Kenneth Palpatine, Galactic Emperor! Well...I've heard worse. .  .  .  .  04:08, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I haven't... ;) Erik Pflueger [[Image:Galactic_Republic.JPG|20px]] 04:38, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Frank is pretty awful. And it's a bad joke. Still, the premise of Triclops and all that is pretty sad. .  .  .  .  04:44, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Why do you think I've been wincing? :) Erik Pflueger [[Image:Galactic_Republic.JPG|20px]] 15:20, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You can wince in text? .  .  .  .  21:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Personally, I don't believe Triclops really was Palpatine's son.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 05:27, 13 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Neither do I. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:26, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

palpatine images - quick question
I've been away from the site for a while. I noticed that some of the images have been removed. I'm mainly referring to the various lightsaber hilt images we had for Sidious. Have these been totally removed or just put into a palpatine image gallery which I didn't see a link to in the "see also" section. Speaking of which, why does that section only have TWO entries? I would imagine that an article this long for a character this important there would be more than two cross references. Anyway, I spent time scanning those hilts and I'm kind of bummed to see them not on the page. What happened? Erik?--DannyBoy7783 08:02, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

I. That image was from episode 1 II. Someone else was Palpatine in that movie! WHAT'S GOING ON HERE?!--209.9.208.20 19:29, 29 December 2006 (UTC)Darth Plagueis The Wise
 * Way down next to the sources is a link to the image gallery.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 13:52, 7 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Huh? What the heck?! The image of Palpatine in Star Wars: The Empire Strikes Back states that Ian McDiarimid Was Palpatine in that movie. There are two problems with that.
 * Do you know what the Special Edition of the original trilogy is? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:08, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * To be fair, it was not the "Special Edition". Special Edition generally refers to the 1997 version, in which the Emperor/Vader conversation in ESB was untouched. It was in the 2004 version, which is labeled on the box as the "Limited Edition" (although it is no way limited). Maclimes Zero''' (talk) [[Image:Infinite_Empire.png|10px]] 22:12, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I forgot about that. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:01, 30 December 2006 (UTC)

After return of the jedi?

 * i'm not going against anyone here, but dosnt it seem very odd that after anakin the chosen one defeats the emperor who was in ALMOST all 6 movies, he comeback after words. The real saga and legacy is all about anakin deafeating the sith then bam end of story, galaxy save and now palpatine can just appear again, i mean it makes the saga look bad. Anyone agree or disagree?
 * Sign your comments with four tildes. This is not the place for idle discussion. Dark Empire is canon, like it or lump it. By pure circumstance, you can talk about Dark Empire on my user page. .  .  .  .  00:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * what do you mean?

Do you mean like its my discision weather its real or not i mean its like an oppinion statement.
 * Yeah, but this isn't the place for "oppinion" statements. .  .  .  .  01:03, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Oh i know that, i mean what do you mean when you say that its not real like is it real or not . .  01:08, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * It's real. ..


 * ok i'll stop posting but just so you know, I enjoyed every bit of star wars legacy, and then after a while, i get word that oh after return of the jedi, palpatine comes back! and that right there just broke every bit of star wars for me, its a total embarassment for the saga. Sorry, i just have a real bad side when it comes to palpatine.
 * You...broke my sig. .  .  .  .  01:14, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * what do you mean by that
 * It doesn't matter. Now, unless you have something to say about the article, cease posting here. .  .  .  .  01:20, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * well atleast its no nebtioned to often in the book series. I dont know much about the continueing series. i just want to know when the next star wars book comes out!


 * Thank you for pointing those things out about palpatine
 * . Another pointless discussions... Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 02:48, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I think my talkheader template should be bigger, don't you, Jack? .  .  .  .  03:41, 12 November 2006 (UTC)

Can you awnser one question though, How does palpatine die when he comes back, i mean i read the article but i m trying to figure things out. lol.
 * Use my user page if you want to enter into idle discussion about Dark Empire. This is for discussion about the article only. .  .  .  .  03:59, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * ok, thanks.
 * I'll answer your question: Palpatine transferred his spirits to clone bodies. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:44, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * And why couldnt dooku or maul do the same.
 * Don't humour them Jack! .  .  .  .  21:11, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * So much for trying to end this... Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:13, 12 November 2006 (UTC)


 * well, i suppose since he was the master, he wouldv been the only one who was the most powerful to do it
 * Please. Sign your comments with four tildes ( ~ ) and this is not the place for your idle discussion and musing. .  .  .  .  22:58, 12 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. This discussion of yours is not going anywhere, anon, so stop posting. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:56, 13 November 2006 (UTC)


 * sorry, thanks, i have the information i need. Now it makes sense to me. you can delete this file if you please to. the only thing that bothered me and that i dicovered was that the Jack Nebulax guy can be very rude and obnoxsious and a real pane to. I have nothing against anyone else though.
 * Sigh. At least his grammar doesn't suck. Should this be deleted or left as another example of how obnoxious some anons can be?-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 00:36, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Well i would like to appologise for what i said in the previous post and i sent some appologies to a few users. Your right, this article is a waste of time, sorry i started it.
 * "the only thing that bothered me and that i dicovered was that the Jack Nebulax guy can be very rude and obnoxsious and a real pane to. I have nothing against anyone else though." I find that "nothing against anyone else" part troubling. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:56, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Jack Nebulax, my friend was the accountent for his rudeness to You. Obviously he learned how to hack to my acount. The last thing is said on this article was  well atleast its no nebtioned to often in the book series. I dont know much about the continueing series. i just want to know when the next star wars book comes out! then when i loged off well lets just say you cant trust a friend. Just to point out that i might need to change my Account. For real life you can delete this article if you please. I left you a message on Your apology section on your talk page. Thank You.
 * Well, it wouldn't be the first time someone managed to log onto someone else's account. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:14, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * haha, yeah i know what you mean. lol
 * We'd better end this now. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:17, 14 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Yes i agree. This article must be cleaned up.
 * Why did you say that? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:22, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * He means this talk bit. --  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 01:24, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I wonder if it can be deleted. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:25, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * i was just about to say that.
 * No, it can't be deleted, but it can be ignored. Stop posting. Both of you. .  .  .  .  02:07, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Move to Darth Sidious?
Since it has been decided that those who died as Sith should be referred to by their Darth names, shouldn't Palpatine be moved to Darth Sidious? - Sikon 06:31, 14 November 2006 (UTC)

Move to Darth Sidious

 * 1) Sikon 06:31, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 2)  Milo Fett Comlink 00:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

Master Mace 17:37, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Please don't restart old topics And it's not being moved to Darth Sidious. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:30, 21 December 2006 (UTC)

Keep at Palpatine

 * 1) Best known as Palpatine. Only used Sidious as an alter ego. .  .  .  .  08:16, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 2) Azizlight 08:59, 14 November 2006 (UTC).
 * 3) He was known as Palpatine when he died. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:54, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 4) Jebus, not this again. -- Darth Culator  (Talk)(TINC) 12:07, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 5)  I need a name  ( Complain here ) 14:00, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 6) &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 14:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * 7) I'm for keeping this right where it is. After all, we don't have Dooku listed as Darth Tyranus first, either. Erik Pflueger [[Image:Galactic_Republic.JPG|20px]] 05:09, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Comments
Why are we even having this vote? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) 12:11, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure. Policy dictates that it stay at Palpatine, since it's his best-known and last-used name. His last in-universe appearance is the Dark Empire series where he is referred to by no other name. His public and legal name is Palpatine in his last OOU appearance. I'm not sure where Mister "revert to policy" even got this idea. -- Darth Culator  (Talk)(TINC) 12:57, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Other Sith lords stopped using what I assume were their birth names, or added Darth to their birth names. Palpatine didn't. &mdash;Silly Dan (talk) 14:03, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * (raises arms) Mesa surrender! - Sikon 14:48, 14 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Regarding Dooku, we have to take into account that the majority of people in the Star Wars Galaxy didn't know Dooku was a Sith/had a Sith name. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:18, 15 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Milo fett, this vote is over. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 15:00, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * We don't really know Palpatine was his birth name, do we? Well, that doesn't matter as far as the article name.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 17:12, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
 * For now, it's Palpatine. That's all that really matters. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:04, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

New picture?
link Anyone think this would make a good main picture? lalala_la
 * Not a main picture, but if room could be made in the article, it could be added in somewhere. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 02:24, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that's a lot better than the current Palpy with Sabre image in the article. .  .  .  .  04:13, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * You mean the one where he shows his true colors to the Jedi? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:32, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes. The current one makes him look like Marlon Brando - mouth full of tissues. .  .  .  .  23:00, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Too close to the face. and he's at an awkwerd angle. the current one should stay Valin &quot;Tnu&quot; &quot;Shido&quot; Suul 23:56, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:26, 24 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Me too. Bung it in. .  .  .  .  05:51, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. I find Tnu's taste in "quality" images questionable.-- Lord Oblivion Sith holocron[[Image:Oldsith.png|30px]] 05:56, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Extremely. But that's beside the point. .  .  .  .  05:58, 25 November 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, and yes. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:00, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Picture mucho better. Shaws a lighter side to him. Master Mace 17:38, 21 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Please don't restart old topics. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:30, 21 December 2006 (UTC)