Wookieepedia:Good article nominations/R4-K5

R4-K5

 * Nominated by: OtterSurf (talk) 18:19, July 17, 2019 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: Been meaning to promote this little guy for a while now.

Support

 * 1)  QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 10:08, July 29, 2019 (UTC)

QGJ

 * Is there a way to get a wider crop of the infobox image, so that it fully fits the infobox?
 * I never really liked that image quite frankly. It looks shabby. There's a few images on the Hasbro site that would do a better job so I might upload a new one. OtterSurf (talk) 11:25, July 18, 2019 (UTC)
 * Found a new image. Does the job. OtterSurf (talk) 13:09, July 18, 2019 (UTC)
 * 19 BBY date in the first sentence cannot be sourced directly to Revenge of the Sith
 * The Knightfall article does just that, so I'd be willing to contest it. OtterSurf (talk) 11:23, July 18, 2019 (UTC)
 * The Knightfall article also gained its status in 2010, when our standards for referencing dates were not as strict. I'm sure it will eventually be probed by the AC, one of the reasons being the lack of proper date refs. It's just simple fact that the term "19 BBY" is never used in the film itself, therefore, according to current GA standards, it requires an external source. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 14:32, July 18, 2019 (UTC)
 * Fixed. OtterSurf (talk) 19:08, July 18, 2019 (UTC)
 * You don't have to pipelink this entire passage to Operation: Knightfall. Just linking the word "ransacked" would be sufficient. "ransacked the Jedi Temple and killed most of the Jedi in residence"
 * Done. OtterSurf (talk) 08:43, July 18, 2019 (UTC)
 * You have successive duplicate refs [2] in the first paragraph of the bio, and refs [1] in the second paragraph.
 * Fixed. Ref 2 is now Ref 3. I broke up the two uses but I don't think I can structure the paragraph properly without using it twice. OtterSurf (talk) 11:22, July 18, 2019 (UTC)
 * Ref 3 is now Ref 4. OtterSurf (talk) 14:35, July 18, 2019 (UTC)
 * You are missing info from the databank entry, such as manufacturer and height. Using external sources, you can perhaps fill out additional parameters in the infobox, for example, the droid's degree. Please look at other Legends astromech GAs, for example R3-T2
 * Done. OtterSurf (talk) 08:43, July 18, 2019 (UTC)
 * Overall, the bio seems to be written from Vader's POV, instead of the droid's. For instance, the first paragraph should first establish that R4-K5 was stationed at the Jedi Temple in 19 BBY, before talking about Vader's attack. This sentence: "Vader would later choose the R4 unit as his new astromech" is better reworded to passive voice: "The R4 unit was later chosen by Vader as his new astromech"
 * Done. OtterSurf (talk) 13:15, July 18, 2019 (UTC)
 * Characteristics section needs to be added.
 * Done. OtterSurf (talk) 11:47, July 18, 2019 (UTC)
 * Please add publishing dates in the Bts. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 07:32, July 18, 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. OtterSurf (talk) 11:59, July 18, 2019 (UTC)
 * Sensor color is now infobox-exclusive.
 * Fixed. OtterSurf (talk) 10:21, July 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * The databank entry does not state this anywhere. Therefore, this part needs a manual ref note, mentioning other source(s) from which this info is drawn. As with other R4-numbered astromechs used by the Jedi Order during the Clone Wars, R4-K5 featured an R2-series dome
 * I'll look for a definitive source. 'Til then, I'll just remove it. OtterSurf (talk) 10:21, July 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. OtterSurf (talk) 18:26, July 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * Non-canon information from Star Wars: Visions of the Blade needs to be detailed in the Bts. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 09:27, July 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. OtterSurf (talk) 10:21, July 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * "Detailed" means that his role in the story needs to be described with the same level of detail that you would do for a biography, with the only exception being that it should be in present tense. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 14:57, July 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * R4-K5 appears in one frame of the comic. OtterSurf (talk) 17:11, July 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * You can still describe his role in the story from that one frame. R4-K5 appears in the non-canon comic Star Wars: Visions of the Blade, where he accompanies Vader during yadayadayada... QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 07:15, July 22, 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. OtterSurf (talk) 08:49, July 22, 2019 (UTC)
 * This sentence is unneccessary, as it just repeats info from the "appearances" list. R4-K5 also featured in the fourth installment of the 2014 comic arc Star Wars: Darth Vader and the Cry of Shadows.
 * Removed. OtterSurf (talk) 10:01, July 24, 2019 (UTC)
 * Speaking about the "Cry of Shadows," you can definetely expand upon the details of the battle a bit.
 * Done. OtterSurf (talk) 09:57, July 24, 2019 (UTC)
 * 17 BBY date cannot be sourced directly to that comic and needs an additional source.
 * There isn't one. OtterSurf (talk) 09:57, July 24, 2019 (UTC)
 * The comic dates the Shrouded Offensive to a few months after Revenge of the Sith. I've noted it as 'months later', after Knightfall and Murkhana. OtterSurf (talk) 10:36, July 24, 2019 (UTC)
 * This image is of very poor quality. It's very pixelated and there are visible scanning artifacts present. This either needs to be replaced with a better version, or a different image altogether. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 08:50, July 24, 2019 (UTC)
 * I'll see what I can whip up. OtterSurf (talk) 10:03, July 24, 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. OtterSurf (talk) 10:15, July 24, 2019 (UTC)
 * Per WP:LG, External links is placed at the very end, after "Notes and references" QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 08:52, July 24, 2019 (UTC)
 * Fixed. OtterSurf (talk) 09:59, July 24, 2019 (UTC)
 * With the article now being sufficiently expanded, it now feels really weird not having any quotes at all. You can at least add the relevant author narration from "Dark Lord" describing "the black astromech" to the Bts. If you use some creativity, you can perhaps find relevant quotes for the in-universe portion of the article, even if there are none available that directly mention the droid. For example, we know that Vader chose R4-K5 to complement his own dark nature. Maybe add something about Vader reflecting on his own darkness and whip up a caption that ties this quote to the astromech. If you can't find anything, fine, but I encourage you to try. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 18:29, July 27, 2019 (UTC)
 * I've added some quotes. Vader never talks directly to R4-K5, so that's one major obstacle, but I've used ones that are most relevant. I doubt I'll be able to find anything else. OtterSurf (talk) 08:42, July 28, 2019 (UTC)
 * Okay, that works. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 10:08, July 29, 2019 (UTC)

Anil

 * Category:Galactic Republic individuals and Category:Droids of the Galactic Empire should be added.
 * Done. OtterSurf (talk) 08:25, July 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * Why is Category:R4-series agromech droids added to the article and not mentioned in the article body? Are you sure it's an R4 unit?
 * No, and there's no source that says R4-K5 is, either. Category removed. OtterSurf (talk) 08:19, July 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * Good. But now you need to add Category:Astromech droids and Category:Industrial Automaton products. I assume that they weren't added because they are subcategories of Category:R4-series agromech droids. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders.svg  Anıl Şerifoğlu  (talk) 03:57, July 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. OtterSurf (talk) 09:01, July 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * Sources must be listed in order of publication/release date.
 * Fixed. OtterSurf (talk) 08:24, July 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * No, it isn't. Per the Layout Guide, "original Databank entries are to be listed as if their publication date was September 12, 2011 (the last day the Databank was online)." TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders.svg  Anıl Şerifoğlu  (talk) 03:57, July 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. OtterSurf (talk) 08:39, July 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * As both Hasbro figures were released in 2006, I'd like you to show me a source/link for how you figured out which one of them was released first. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders.svg  Anıl Şerifoğlu  (talk) 10:52, July 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * According to Amazon, the fighter was released in late 2006: see here. Furthermore, according to this source, the figure was released in January 2007. OtterSurf (talk) 11:08, July 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * Encyclopedia entries must be presented exactly as the entry title does, such as "Sith starfighter, Darth Vader's."
 * The 19 BBY info came from a timeline on one of the intro pages, not an entry per se. OtterSurf (talk) 08:27, July 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * I've gone with the New Essential Chronology. OtterSurf (talk) 09:17, July 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what you are talking about here. My objection is about the formatting of the name of the old Databank entries, namely "Sith starfighter, Darth Vader's." TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders.svg  Anıl Şerifoğlu  (talk) 03:57, July 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * Oh, thought you meant the CSWE. Anyway, done. OtterSurf (talk) 08:40, July 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * I think it would be much easier to source that 19 BBY date directly to The New Essential Chronology.
 * If you're not happy with the explanation above, then that's cool. OtterSurf (talk) 08:27, July 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * Nevermind, done. OtterSurf (talk) 09:16, July 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * If The New Essential Chronology is where the droid was first pictured, should be added.
 * Done. OtterSurf (talk) 08:30, July 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * The article could use one or two more images.
 * While I wasn't fond of the former main image as such, I think it's okay for the article body. OtterSurf (talk) 09:11, July 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * I think there are different, much better images for the article, namely the one from the article for Darth Vader's black Eta-2 Actis-class interceptor. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders.svg  Anıl Şerifoğlu  (talk) 03:57, July 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * Used. OtterSurf (talk) 08:42, July 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * Darth Vader's black Eta-2 Actis-class interceptor lists more Appearances and Sources that this article. Have you checked them all for a possible appearance of the droid? TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders.svg  Anıl Şerifoğlu  (talk) 05:47, July 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * Added another appearance. That's pretty much it, though. OtterSurf (talk) 08:50, July 19, 2019 (UTC)
 * Are you sure about that? I only looked at the Hasbro link on that article, and again, are you sure that black astromech aboard Vader's starfighter isn't R4-K5? TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders.svg  Anıl Şerifoğlu  (talk) 03:57, July 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * It would be. I'll add it to the BTS. OtterSurf (talk) 09:00, July 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * Also, do you have an image of Vader's Sith fighter from Star Wars Galaxies? I didn't manage to find it myself, but as you told me that you've checked all the sources, I thought you might have one. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders.svg  Anıl Şerifoğlu  (talk) 12:22, July 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * I can't find any footage or pictures from Galaxies. Since it's not online anymore, and there's nothing I can find, I'd suggest we leave it. OtterSurf (talk) 16:24, July 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * Want proof? This is all I could find, and it might not even be Vader's interceptor. At any rate, the astromech isn't even shown. OtterSurf (talk) 12:13, July 22, 2019 (UTC)
 * I believe Vader's astromech in Darth Vader and the Lost Command 2 isn't detailed enough to decide if it's R4-K5 or not. I think you can mention this in BTS. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders.svg  Anıl Şerifoğlu  (talk) 12:22, July 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. OtterSurf (talk) 19:09, July 20, 2019 (UTC)
 * Darth Vader's Sith starfighter's old Databank entry states that there was another Sith fighter toy, as part of the Star Wars Transformers toyline. Did you check it for a possible appearance of R4-K5?
 * Done. OtterSurf (talk) 19:05, July 31, 2019 (UTC)
 * You don't need to add that to BTS. You just need to add it to the Sources if the droid is present in that toy. Also, please use HasbroCite if it's part of a Hasbro toyline. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders.svg  Anıl Şerifoğlu  (talk) 00:17, August 1, 2019 (UTC)
 * It doesn't appear in the Hasbro database, so I had to use a third-party site. OtterSurf (talk) 08:29, August 1, 2019 (UTC)
 * You can incorporate external links into the Hasbro template the way I just did. Though you'll have to fill in the redlink for the toy set. QuiGonJinn  Senate seal.svg(Talk) 14:53, August 1, 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. OtterSurf (talk) 17:44, August 1, 2019 (UTC)
 * Are you sure about its placement in the Sources, and that it was released after The Saga Collection one? TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders.svg  Anıl Şerifoğlu  (talk) 01:33, August 3, 2019 (UTC)
 * The release date only says 2006, and it would make sense for it to be released shortly after the original interceptor. OtterSurf (talk) 08:21, August 3, 2019 (UTC)
 * I think you could expand the intro a bit, it's quite short compared to the body right now. Maybe mentioning the events the droid participated in, and its relationship with Vader. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders.svg  Anıl Şerifoğlu  (talk) 15:47, July 29, 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. OtterSurf (talk) 12:44, July 31, 2019 (UTC)
 * "James Luceno describing R4-K5 in Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader." When I've first read this, I thought there is an out-of-universe section of the book where Luceno talks about the droid. But I now see that it's actually within the story, so I think I would suggest to change that caption to something like "An excerpt from Dark Lord: The Rise of Darth Vader describing R4-K5."
 * Done. OtterSurf (talk) 21:08, August 4, 2019 (UTC)
 * I'd like to see Battle of Murkhana/Legends pipelinked somewhere in the article.
 * Done. OtterSurf (talk) 21:08, August 4, 2019 (UTC)
 * Could you please give time frames for the Battle of Murkhana and Shrouded Offensive, BBY dates if possible? TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders.svg  Anıl Şerifoğlu  (talk) 21:01, August 4, 2019 (UTC)
 * They all take place in 19 BBY. Dark Lord takes place shortly after EPIII and Cry of Shadows is set several months after. Both sources mention this. OtterSurf (talk) 21:08, August 4, 2019 (UTC)
 * Then could you add something like "not long after" or "within the same year" at the beginning of the Murkhana paragraph. And about Shrouded Offensive, are you sure about that? Its own article says it took place in 17 BBY. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders.svg  Anıl Şerifoğlu  (talk) 21:15, August 4, 2019 (UTC)
 * That's incorrect. The graphic novel states outright that it happens several months after ROTS. OtterSurf (talk) 21:17, August 4, 2019 (UTC)
 * Done. It's said from the POV of Shryne that Vader arrives at Murkhana about two weeks after the signal from the Temple is received. OtterSurf (talk) 21:20, August 4, 2019 (UTC)
 * Cool. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders.svg  Anıl Şerifoğlu  (talk) 21:37, August 4, 2019 (UTC)
 * Although it's a non-canonical event, you could also pipelink Battle of the Cowl Crucible and give a time frame for it.
 * (Reviewing note) All images must have non-capitalized extensions, i.e. Vader's_astromech_R4-K5.jpg instead of Vader's_astromech_R4-K5.JPG. Also, all file names must have underscores (_) instead of spaces. I have taken care of these, but please keep these in mind for your future nominations. TanDivoInsignia-SenateMurders.svg  Anıl Şerifoğlu  (talk) 22:10, August 4, 2019 (UTC)