Talk:List of battles/Legends

I'm not entirely sure about the placement, or indeed content, of the Battles of Commenor and Kessel. The only battle of Commenor I've seen is a short X-wing/TIE dogfight over the world in one of the X-wing comics. And I'm guessing the Battle of Kessel you mean is the one from Champions of the Force? (in which the Death Star prototype destroys the Kessel moon, then goes head-to-head with the Sun Crusher).

I'll try and add more detailed Clone Wars and NJO timelines soon.

Independent battles
Given the current format, what is to be done for battles which were not part of a war? The battle I'm thinking of in particular is the Battle of Nar Shaddaa in The Hutt Gambit. It was an Imperial attack that was resisted by the smugglers, not part of a big war. -- Aidje 20:51, 30 Apr 2005 (UTC)
 * Conflicts outside of major wars can just be listed under a pre- or post-war header (for example, the Battle of Nar Shaddaa would be post-RotS, post-Clone Wars or pre-ANH) -- Kwenn 18:12, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
 * The addition of "Imperial Era" is a good solution. -- Aidje 20:08, 2 May 2005 (UTC)

Ghorman Massacre
Is the Ghorman Massacre really a battle? -- Riffsyphon1024 19:09, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
 * The Ghorman Massacre was not a battle. Tarkin landed his flagship on a group of protesters.  Not a battle.  --Kosure 19:11, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
 * While the Ghorman Massacre was not, technically speaking, a battle, it seems important to list it here. Perhaps the list should be renamed, but I think things like this should definitely be on the list. since they're still very important conflicts. -- Aidje 20:10, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I disagree. I feel like its important, but not enough to be placed on the List, since I don't think it belongs there.  Maybe we should work a link to it, into the article on the Alliance, or maybe the Tarkin Docterine page. --Kosure 00:14, 3 May 2005 (UTC) --198.40.29.8 23:52, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
 * While not a battle in the way one would usually think of a battle, consider the following: Answers.com gives the definition of battle as "an encounter between opposing forces" (this is definition 1.a). By this definition, the Ghorman Massacre was a battle: The protesters initiated the encounter by being there to protest, the mere fact that they were protesting shows that they were opposed to Tarkin in some way. The second definition listed (1.b) is "armed fighting; combat." Admittedly, this one doesn't fit as well as the first, but consider it rephrased as an "armed conflict." Only one side was armed, and the weapon in question was a ship rather than a firearm or a blade (it would have been impractical to not simply use the ship as a weapon), but it was in fact an armed conflict (and you can't deny that it was a conflict). It would seem quite strange to not list a massacre on a list of battles&mdash;surely they should be taken into account when looking at the overall flow of a war. -- Aidje 00:33, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * But what weapons did the other side have. Nothing. That's why they call it a massacre. A one-sided mass killing is not a battle. Battles have two sides, with both sides armed. -- Riffsyphon1024 00:36, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Its not a battle, its not even an armed conflict. You know what Adje, put it on the list, but make a not that its isn't a battle per se, but a massacre, but just as important to the flow of the war.  or something like that...  --Kosure 00:41, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Bet the Imperials counted it as a battle and gave everyone medals anyway...In all seriousness, I say keep it on the list. Silly Dan 00:51, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Argh, stupid edit conflicts:
 * I was posting this but had an edit conflict with Kosure (all of the times are messed up, though):
 * I gave a good (I thought) argument against that line of reasoning already. The point is that taking out the Ghorman Massacre will reduce the list's quality. If you want to do that, fine. I'm obviously the only one who agrees with me. :-) Maybe I'm just misunderstanding the purpose of this list. Oh well. Do what you will. -- Aidje 00:58, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I'd like to add that I thought the name "Ghorman Massacre" already made its status fairly obvious. Still, although I disagree, I concede the point. I'm obviously outnumbered. No reason to keep picking these bones since the consensus is obvious. -- Aidje 00:58, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * And now Silly Dan agrees with me... hmm. -- Aidje 00:58, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * I would argue to keep this list for military conflicts. Otherwise, should the destruction of Alderaan be included? It's people were in conflict with the Empire, and they were destroyed. I think the list would lose its purpose. Perhaps a different list should be created for massacres and tragedies. --SparqMan 01:09, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

To please our contributors, I have expanded on what can be put in this list. -- Riffsyphon1024 20:07, 5 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Honestly if you feel that strongly go ahead and do it. I just feel like it should have an addendum.  --Kosure 01:36, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Also note that the Ghorman Massacre is categorized as an event, not a battle. -- Riffsyphon1024 02:12, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Just FYI, I'm in favor of removal. Maybe it fits on a "timeline of the Galactic Civil War" or "Timeline of Imperial history," but putting it on this list is calling it a battle, and it's not.-LtNOWIS 02:48, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Perhaps some sort of massive timeline is in order. -- Aidje 03:16, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * There already is. See Also: Dates in Star Wars. -- Riffsyphon1024 03:53, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
 * Oh, yes. Silly me. I've only seen it a hundred times before. -- Aidje 14:36, 3 May 2005 (UTC)

Pre-Ruusan
Shouldn't that be Post-Ruusan Reformation? --Fade 18:05, 22 May 2005 (UTC)