Wookieepedia:Mofferences/Log/2007 June 2

[21:00] Riffsyphon1024: less than one minute by my clock [21:00] Riffsyphon1024: and now [21:00] Riffsyphon1024: I bid you all dark greetings [21:00] Lord_Oblivion: Bah. [21:00] Enochf: He said it! [21:00] *** WhiteBoy (n=chatzill@REDACTED) has joined #wookieepedia. [21:00] Enochf: Whoa [21:00] Enochf: Speak of the Debbil [21:00] Riffsyphon1024: hello Chad, welcome to the mofference [21:00] Lord_Oblivion: Good timing [21:00] WhiteBoy: howdy :) [21:00] SillyDan: so, first topic? [21:00] Riffsyphon1024: I also bid you a dark greeting [21:01] Lord_Oblivion: What's that? [21:01] *** Mode change "+ooo Riffsyphon1024 WhiteBoy Kuralyov" for channel #wookieepedia by ChanServ. [21:01] WhiteBoy: just finishing dinner... [21:01] Riffsyphon1024: First topic, Celebration IV? [21:01] SillyDan: er, no [21:01] Darth_Culator: Someone forget to wake Sikon? [21:01] Enochf: Fighting spoilers? ^_^ [21:01] SillyDan: on the agenda, it's fansites [21:01] Enochf: Somebody wake up Hicks [21:01] Lord_Oblivion: I bis you grayish greetings. [21:01] Lord_Oblivion: *bid [21:01] Riffsyphon1024: ok to the agenda first [21:01] LtNOWIS: We have an agenda. [21:01] WhiteBoy: hehe...C4 should be a quick one  :P [21:01] LtNOWIS: C4 is 2nd or 34d. [21:01] piequals3: C4 happened... and now its done. [21:02] Enochf: Did C4 rock? Consensus is yes. NEXT ISSUE! [21:02] Riffsyphon1024: heh, 34rd [21:02] SillyDan: anyway, since we put it on the agenda, we developed a notability policy: [21:02] SillyDan: (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Notability_of_fan_projects)http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Notability_of_fan_projects [21:02] SillyDan: what's wrong with it? I'm sure something is. [21:02] LtNOWIS: Nothing I can see [21:02] Riffsyphon1024: I thought it was working? [21:02] Joker1138: looks ok [21:02] Enochf: The question is coming up about notability of specific people in fandom, not necessarily websites [21:03] Greyman_: looks ok from here [21:03] Enochf: Like Kevin Smith or that girl who plays Pink Five [21:03] SillyDan: right, like Bananakin Skywalker or Elvis Trooper [21:03] Riffsyphon1024: like Elvis Trooper, Banakin Skywalker? [21:03] Enochf: Chad Vader got his own article [21:03] SillyDan: if I spent a lot of time on the convention/costuming circuit, I might consider them notable [21:03] Riffsyphon1024: ah nuts [21:03] Riffsyphon1024: I'm getting lad here [21:04] WhiteBoy: sounds pretty reasonable [21:04] Lord_Oblivion: Is there a reason HBO is playing all the Star Wars films? [21:04] Kuralyov: I'm wondering about longevity...something like the Tales of the New Republic I think would deserve a page, but it's been far less than six months, at least since it was unveiled to the public [21:04] Riffsyphon1024: lag* [21:04] Redemption_: Too much information, Riffs [21:04] Enochf: Lagging just a tad, but 'sok [21:04] Redemption_: Oh...lag [21:04] Riffsyphon1024: yes lag* [21:04] Joker1138: i thought you would put in an 'i' [21:04] Redemption_: Err...never mind then. [21:04] LtNOWIS: Longevity is just one of several factors. [21:05] LtNOWIS: "This guideline could be ignored for subjects that pass other criteria by a substantial margin, such as fan films which were completed in less than six months." [21:05] SillyDan: right -- Another Hope was a short-lived phenomenon, but it made it to National Public Radio, as I wrote in the policy [21:05] SillyDan: and we had a Star Wars Outsider article before the first issue was complete.... [21:05] Riffsyphon1024: for those people, let's just make a master list of Notable Fans (that don't work for LFL or do major things) [21:05] Enochf: True. We want to be able to provide information to people who hear something on TV/radio and come to us for the scoop. ^_^ [21:05] Joker1138: sounds good [21:05] Riffsyphon1024: as much as I hate lists [21:05] SillyDan: and are primarily notable for fan activities... [21:05] Lord_Oblivion: Lag? [21:06] Enochf: Oy lists [21:06] Redemption_: What about mod and fanfilm projects? [21:06] LtNOWIS: (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Jedi_Exile&curid=7197&diff=1373219&oldid=1371626)http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Talk:Jedi_Exile&curid=7197&diff=1373219&oldid=1371626 [21:06] Riffsyphon1024: if enough information, theres no reason to merge them [21:06] Redemption_: I mean about those who work on these projects. [21:07] Redemption_: Would they be considered part of this "master list"? [21:07] Ozzel: Sorry, I'm late. The proposed policy looks good to me. [21:07] WhiteBoy: lists can be a great thing if done properly [21:07] Riffsyphon1024: they have to be easily accessible [21:07] Greyman_: the policy looks good from my side as well [21:08] WhiteBoy: same [21:08] Riffsyphon1024: I don't simply want to throw away information on great fans, but not many things link to them and won't produce nearly as much issue when redirecting to the list [21:08] Ozzel: I'm not sure about a notable fans list. What about people like Nathan Butler who have official credits to their name? [21:08] SillyDan: well, they just get their own article [21:08] Joker1138: depends on the definition of 'Great fans' [21:08] Riffsyphon1024: Nathan Butler is different, he created a large chronology [21:08] LtNOWIS: Well, we've got a lot of notable fans. [21:09] Riffsyphon1024: what did Bananakin do other than dress up in the suit [21:09] Riffsyphon1024: and I met the guy, its a large banana suit [21:09] SillyDan: yes, it's like our "list of minor and major fansites" issue -- how do we know what's notable? [21:09] Darth_Culator: Came up with a fantastic name. [21:09] Ozzel: I think either give them an article or don't. [21:09] Riffsyphon1024: it is fantastic [21:09] SillyDan: I don't know who's a notable con-going fan, I don't go to the major cons [21:09] Riffsyphon1024: he asked me about his article in general, I'm not sure if he was the one to create it [21:10] Riffsyphon1024: but as Chad said, it can work on a list if done properly and neatly, we can add an image to the side of his entrie [21:11] LtNOWIS: I dunno, I think articles on fans notable for convention-going is a slippery slope. [21:11] Kuralyov: I'm not a big fan of lists. [21:11] Darth_Culator: Our site is full of slippery slopes. We should have warning signs. [21:11] Ozzel: Definitely is hard to draw the line. [21:11] LtNOWIS: (Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minor_Star_Wars_Imperial_characters)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minor_Star_Wars_Imperial_characters [21:11] Enochf: Better put a railing about that railing there... [21:11] SillyDan: maybe only if they get invited as fan guests of honour or something? [21:11] Riffsyphon1024: and a list is less controversial than a bunch of articles getting deleted anyway [21:11] SillyDan: do they even do that at SW cons? [21:12] Riffsyphon1024: Simon, that was the whole reason we left Wikipedia [21:12] LtNOWIS: right [21:12] LtNOWIS: SillyDan: Not that I know of. [21:12] Enochf: Still ticked off about the "list of stories in which lightsabers don't appear" --_-- [21:12] Riffsyphon1024: this is not in-universe however [21:13] Riffsyphon1024: I would still like to preserve some of the fandom [21:13] piequals3: This site, i think, is about all aspects of star wars, minus Fanon. [21:13] piequals3: that includes fandom. [21:13] Riffsyphon1024: exactly [21:13] LtNOWIS: Amira Said is probably notable, since she was in the program for C4. [21:13] Enochf: I'd like to preserve the majority of it [21:13] Riffsyphon1024: see Stormtrooper Effect [21:14] piequals3: Stormtrooper effect needs to be here. [21:14] Riffsyphon1024: in fact, see Category:Star Wars culture [21:14] piequals3: yup [21:14] Enochf: But Kevin Smith... that's really borderline [21:15] Riffsyphon1024: hah [21:15] Ozzel: Ah, we really do have an article for Elvis Trooper. Huh. [21:15] SillyDan: or Stephen Colbert [21:15] Darth_Culator: BEARS! [21:15] Darth_Culator: Sorry. [21:15] WhiteBoy: piequals3: definitely! We tend to focus on the IU stuff, but we could use some work on the OOU content :) [21:15] Ozzel: But no picture for Elvis. Now that's a crime. [21:16] Darth_Culator: Hey, here's an idea that's sure to be incredibly unpopular: Why not a fandom wiki? [21:16] Riffsyphon1024: uhhhhhh [21:16] Enochf: Splitters! [21:16] * Darth_Culator waits for the chorus of "boo"s. [21:16] Enochf: No splitters! [21:16] piequals3: There's not ENOUGH fandom stuff. [21:16] Enochf: Bloody Judean People's Front! [21:16] piequals3: it should be together, methinks. [21:16] Ozzel: Fandom sounds too much like fanon. And that's bad. [21:16] piequals3: yeah [21:16] Joker1138: indeed [21:16] Riffsyphon1024: I think we can still have fandom here without moving it somewhere else [21:17] Riffsyphon1024: otherwise what's the point of Wookieepedia if not to have IU and OOU [21:17] Lord_Oblivion: (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Colbert_Lucas.jpg)http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Colbert_Lucas.jpg [21:17] piequals3: instead of just leaving this at "fandom needs to stay", i think we should make it more of "we should pick up the pace with fandom" [21:17] Ineedaname: Problem with a fandom wiki is that you'd then get people debating who's notable enough to deserve an article [21:17] Enochf: I don't want us to be so strict we turn into Memory Alpha :( [21:17] Greyman_: true [21:17] LtNOWIS: There's still a lot of OOU beyond fandom. [21:17] Ozzel: I think as long as we aren't listing random fans and letting everyony write about themselves, I think we should have articles for notable fans. [21:17] Darth_Culator: INAN: Yes, but not here. [21:17] Kuralyov: Or even worse, the BSG wiki [21:17] Riffsyphon1024: we already have the huge pages of references [21:18] Darth_Culator: Oh, madre de Kyle... Don't get me started on BSG wiki. There are a dozen or more reasons I've never edited there. [21:18] Riffsyphon1024: are we to eventually include the guy that did the Best Boy for the Padme-Anakin Naboo kissing scene? [21:18] Enochf: Shouldn't this have the "cut content" label? (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dai_Nogas)http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dai_Nogas [21:18] Lord_Oblivion: The Colbert vs. Lucas pic must survive. [21:18] WhiteBoy: I'm sure culator was j/k [21:19] Darth_Culator: Just tossing it out there. [21:19] Riffsyphon1024: anything Colbert must not be deleted [21:19] Ozzel: Enochf, I'd just move the info to the BTS sections of the appropriate articles. [21:19] Darth_Culator: I do that with horrible ideas sometimes. [21:19] Riffsyphon1024: I did not know that about Dianogas [21:19] Kuralyov: Culator: Tell me about it...I spent a good deal of time adding stuff from the Zarek comic, only to have it all immediately deleted because they don't allow anything other than the show... [21:19] Lord_Oblivion: U think it was Imp who passionately wante4d to delete Colbert along with some other stuff. [21:19] Lord_Oblivion: *I [21:20] Riffsyphon1024: is that just a personal agenda if he doesn't like Colbert? [21:20] Enochf: I think the problem was, there was a Colbert article in addition to a Colbert Report article [21:20] Ozzel: He doesn't like fan stuff. [21:20] Lord_Oblivion: Did we merge them then? [21:20] LtNOWIS: Imp's a deletionist. [21:20] Riffsyphon1024: but we clearly advertise ourselves as having both IU and OOU [21:20] Enochf: Hmm, yep [21:20] Enochf: Stephen Colbert now redirects [21:20] Riffsyphon1024: you delete one thing, what's next? [21:21] SillyDan: well, a merge there is defensible [21:21] Enochf: So now I'm cool with it ^_^ even though Colby is really, really, really overrated [21:21] Lord_Oblivion: Colbert still has is infobox. [21:21] Riffsyphon1024: granted I'm a hyperinclusionist [21:21] WhiteBoy: other OOU content I'm thinking we should develop further is the BtS people...authors, artists, etc. Maybe even go so far as trying to do an interview with them if the background isn't available already? [21:21] Lord_Oblivion: Heh. [21:21] Riffsyphon1024: its the only way to deal with a Russian deletionist as well [21:21] Lord_Oblivion: Colbert has a Jedi character infobox. [21:22] Riffsyphon1024: doing an interview? isn't that like Original Research? [21:22] LtNOWIS: Not if it's conducted elsewhere. [21:22] Darth_Culator: That's a cheat, but perfectly legal. [21:22] LtNOWIS: Get someone from Outsider to do it. [21:22] LtNOWIS: or something [21:22] WhiteBoy: yeah, good point [21:22] *** Eyrezer (i=REDACTED@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-da69dfb29e6af2da) has joined #wookieepedia. [21:23] Darth_Culator: And I still think the OR prohibition is a bit silly. [21:23] Solus|Fishy: Hullo [21:23] Kuralyov: I doubt anyone LFL affiliated would officially have anything to do with us anyways, given what I've heard [21:23] Riffsyphon1024: but they do know we exist now [21:23] LtNOWIS: A lot of them like us. [21:23] Riffsyphon1024: Leland Chee stopped by our booth [21:23] Darth_Culator: They "officially" can't use us. Wink wink. [21:23] LtNOWIS: Abel's officially our friend. [21:23] Riffsyphon1024: I talked about Bavo Six with the man [21:23] Enochf: Chee! [21:23] Eyrezer: lol [21:23] Enochf: Chee? [21:24] Riffsyphon1024: Abel's a fan [21:24] WhiteBoy: yeah, we may just have to wait for Insider or Outsider to do the interviews :P [21:24] Kuralyov: Yeah, but as I understand it, Abel got some flak for that...least, that's what I heard [21:24] Riffsyphon1024: Insider? Outsider? what's going on here [21:24] Joker1138: Lord_Oblivion: not anymore [21:24] Eyrezer: flak? real? [21:24] Darth_Culator: (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Outsider)http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars_Outsider [21:24] Riffsyphon1024: Abel seems like a rebel that wouldn't take too much sith [21:24] Eyrezer: lol [21:25] Eyrezer: Is this the Mofference? [21:25] Riffsyphon1024: ah figures, its Arthur's mag [21:25] Enochf: (Link: http://www.starwarsoutsider.com/)http://www.starwarsoutsider.com/ [21:25] Greyman_: ya [21:25] WhiteBoy: yep [21:25] Enochf: The Mofference starts in an hour and a half [21:25] Solus|Fishy: We're not on topic, which is usual. [21:25] Greyman_: lol [21:25] SillyDan: so, do we have any conclusions for this topic? [21:25] WhiteBoy: no, Mofference started 30 mins ago [21:25] Enochf: Yes! We must delete Burl Ives! [21:26] Joker1138: why? [21:26] Riffsyphon1024: so he's got all the WtS people in it [21:26] Ozzel: Pass the policy then? [21:26] Riffsyphon1024: how else does Arf determine who writes in his mag? [21:26] Enochf: Sure, I suppose [21:26] Riffsyphon1024: what was the final decision on this? [21:26] Enochf: But... do we know any specific pages that wouldn't pass muster using the new criteria? [21:26] WhiteBoy: I call for a vote :P [21:27] Riffsyphon1024: oh one of those [21:27] WhiteBoy: All for accepting the policy? [21:27] Kuralyov: Actually, I know of at least one non-WTSer who will be in the second issue... [21:27] SillyDan: the policy is already policy -- I was wondering what needs to be amended in it [21:27] Ozzel: Yay [21:27] Riffsyphon1024: what needs to be amended in it? [21:27] Eyrezer: Hmm. What was the policy proposed? [21:27] Solus|Fishy: That's what I'm wondering. [21:27] Ozzel: Oh, it already is official. :p [21:27] Solus|Fishy: And I was here. [21:27] Riffsyphon1024: I'm lost now [21:27] Enochf: ALL IN FLAVOR SAY EYE! [21:27] Solus|Fishy: Join the club. [21:27] SillyDan: well, I guess we determined we need to add some sort of notable fans policy [21:27] Enochf:  [21:28] WhiteBoy: hehe...I thought it was...was kinda lost there [21:28] piequals3: ... eye...? [21:28] Eyrezer: Like an X-factor requirement [21:28] SillyDan: maybe someone else could come up with guidelines on that? [21:28] Riffsyphon1024: and the addition was to create a page for those less than notable- notable fans [21:28] *** LucidFox (n=LucidFox@wikia/Sikon) has joined #wookieepedia. [21:28] Riffsyphon1024: hello Sikon [21:28] WhiteBoy: SillyDan: what amendements are you suggesting? [21:28] Joker1138: welcome [21:28] Solus|Fishy: Hullo [21:28] Ozzel: Quick, no more voting! [21:28] Riffsyphon1024: you're 30 minutes late to the Mofference [21:28] SillyDan: WB: Some sort of policy on notable fans [21:28] Enochf: Can we point to any of these that don't qualify? (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Star_Wars_culture)http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Star_Wars_culture [21:29] Enochf: I mean, before we vote, I sort of want to know what will get the axe [21:29] Riffsyphon1024: (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Notable_fans)http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Notable_fans [21:29] Greyman_: me to [21:29] Enochf: The vibro-axe [21:29] Greyman_: ah, ok...i see now [21:29] Joker1138: Yoda Lane? [21:29] LtNOWIS: Blue Snaggletooth? [21:29] Joker1138: why? [21:29] Enochf: Cute ^_^ [21:29] Riffsyphon1024: but then do we really need to do this merger, we don't have that many in this category [21:29] Enochf: Like the Las Vegas streets [21:29] Joker1138: (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yoda_Lane)http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Yoda_Lane [21:29] Riffsyphon1024: hey, I added Yoda Lane, that stays [21:30] Joker1138: i did not know that [21:30] * Lord_Oblivion wishes Ataru was here to kick anyone and everyone who dared to stray from a topic. [21:30] SillyDan: ok, I'll have to leave now [21:30] Enochf: I think this can be merged with Colbert Report (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Green_Screen_Challenge)http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Green_Screen_Challenge [21:30] SillyDan: enjoy the rest of the mofference [21:30] LtNOWIS: Darth Vader hot air balloon <--awesome [21:30] *** SillyDan (i=user@REDACTED) has signed off IRC. [21:30] Solus|Fishy: Yesh. [21:30] Joker1138: Enochf: yes [21:30] Enochf: That's all I see that can go [21:30] Riffsyphon1024: I never saw the balloon [21:31] Riffsyphon1024: ok ok Stay On Target [21:31] Joker1138: loosen up! [21:31] Solus|Fishy: So wht is the proposed amendment? [21:31] Solus|Fishy: *what [21:31] Enochf: I can't shake him! [21:31] Joker1138: i have you now [21:31] WhiteBoy: that we make a similar policy to this - (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Notability_of_fan_projects)http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Notability_of_fan_projects - about fans [21:32] Enochf: Oh, I get ya now [21:32] Solus|Fishy: All right. [21:32] Lord_Oblivion: Yay. [21:32] WhiteBoy: right? [21:32] Solus|Fishy: I get it now. [21:32] Greyman_: Ya, i get it...i agree [21:32] Enochf: How do we determine the "longevity" of a fan? [21:32] Solus|Fishy: Technicality. [21:32] Lord_Oblivion: Ron White is talking about overpriced sunglasses. [21:33] Solus|Fishy: And I care because...? [21:33] WhiteBoy: I don't think this is something that can be covered in a mofference. It will take some molding to fit a fan in addition to a fan. [21:33] Enochf: Well, anyway, that's fine, I guess. It'll probably spawn more articles rather than discourage them. [21:33] Joker1138: get err done [21:33] Eyrezer: I think a policy on notable fans is a good idea. I support [21:33] Riffsyphon1024: a fan is a fan no matter how long he/she is one, what makes them special enough to have an article [21:33] *** Mode change "+o LucidFox" for channel #wookieepedia by ChanServ. [21:33] Greyman_: I support the policy as well [21:33] WhiteBoy: The main question here should be...do we need to do that? [21:33] Enochf: What's the name of the Darth Talon model from C4? [21:33] Solus|Fishy: Support. [21:33] Enochf: :D [21:33] Enochf: She needs an article [21:33] Joker1138: hell yeah [21:34] Riffsyphon1024: I support a policy/amendment that doesn't delete the information from the wiki [21:34] Solus|Fishy: Yes, per Riff. [21:34] Riffsyphon1024: that Darth Talon was mighty sweet [21:34] Enochf: Shupport! [21:34] Enochf: She needs an article and a gallery [21:34] Kuralyov: I also agree [21:34] Joker1138: lots ans lots of pics [21:34] WhiteBoy: Riff: I agree [21:34] Greyman_: agree [21:35] Joker1138: Consensus in itself ïŠ [21:35] Joker1138: :) [21:35] Riffsyphon1024: (Link: http://apsu.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=99699&id=673925867)http://apsu.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=99699&id=673925867 [21:35] Darth_Culator: Largely agree, though I am not particularly opposed to deleting OOU info. [21:35] Riffsyphon1024: if you can view it [21:35] Joker1138: :( [21:36] Riffsyphon1024: Simon could also upload it [21:36] Solus|Fishy: Not sure if I want to know what's on the other side of that link. [21:36] * Enochf does not click on Facebook [21:37] Riffsyphon1024: afraid of Facebook? [21:37] Solus|Fishy: Has the amendment proposal passed, and, if so, what's next on the agenda? [21:37] *** LordHydronium (n=LordHydr@REDACTED) has signed off IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). [21:37] Riffsyphon1024: amendment proposal has supported to not delete the information [21:37] WhiteBoy: k, so everyone wants to amend it? [21:37] Enochf: Somebody fix this! That's what's next! (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia_talk:Search_icons/In_use)http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia_talk:Search_icons/In_use [21:37] Ozzel: Sure. [21:37] Greyman_: yes [21:37] Riffsyphon1024: yea [21:37] Kuralyov: Yes [21:38] Enochf: YEEAAAYYY [21:38] WhiteBoy: k [21:38] piequals3: yeah. [21:38] WhiteBoy: next [21:38] Lord_Oblivion: So... [21:38] Lord_Oblivion: What topic are we on? [21:38] Enochf: Somebody fix the search icon thingy. New visitors keep seeing a red X. It's unprofessional. [21:38] LtNOWIS: I might upload my pictures to Jaymach's server, if I can figure out how. [21:39] Riffsyphon1024: no red X here [21:39] Lord_Oblivion: This is a pseudomofference. [21:39] Enochf: It'll show up eventually. [21:39] piequals3: "pseudomofference"? [21:39] LtNOWIS: What the hell? (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Wanted_Pages_List)http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Wanted_Pages_List [21:39] Enochf: I get it about two or three times a day. [21:39] piequals3: I've never gotten a red X. [21:39] Joker1138: (Link: http://civ.jaymach.com/HPIM0943.JPG)http://civ.jaymach.com/HPIM0943.JPG [21:40] Ozzel: I always seem to screw up PNGs for some people, so I'm not touching the search icon. [21:40] Riffsyphon1024: but can we prevent the Chewie pic from showing up, then disappearing, and then throwing in another image? [21:40] Riffsyphon1024: much better Joker [21:40] Kuralyov: Yeah, that pisses me off [21:40] Ineedaname: No, it's supposed to do that. It'll display just the Chewie image if people don't have Javascript enabled [21:40] Joker1138: Np [21:41] Riffsyphon1024: Joker: I was just off to the right of that [21:41] WhiteBoy: OK, next topic is TFN plagarism [21:41] Enochf: BASTARDS! [21:41] Darth_Culator: Old news. [21:41] Kuralyov: TFN sucks [21:41] LtNOWIS: They stopped, right [21:41] Solus|Fishy: Veyr old news. [21:41] LtNOWIS: ? [21:41] Darth_Culator: Also old news. [21:41] *** Enochf is now known as Dustin_Hoffman. [21:41] Dustin_Hoffman: I want the credit! [21:41] Dustin_Hoffman: I want the CREDIT! [21:41] Joker1138: Exterminate! [21:41] *** Dustin_Hoffman is now known as Enochf. [21:42] Greyman_: i think its done [21:42] Riffsyphon1024: yea we already dealt with them [21:42] Solus|Fishy: I think 4dot already addressed it, vocally. [21:42] *** piequals3 (n=piequals@REDACTED) has left #wookieepedia. [21:42] Riffsyphon1024: new topic? [21:42] Greyman_: sure [21:42] Enochf: Aw [21:43] Enochf: But Culator, you gotta admit the "wanted pages" section is kinda hard to process now [21:43] Darth_Culator: Grr. [21:43] Enochf: Just sayin' [21:43] Darth_Culator: Template:User is useless and counterproductive. [21:43] Solus|Fishy: What's the next topic? [21:43] Ozzel: Yes, the Force-Cast thing is behind us, although I don't think they ever acknowledged the GFDL license on the respective podcasts. [21:44] *** Lord_Oblivion is now known as LO|uninterested. [21:44] Enochf: What, NEVER? [21:44] Enochf: Yes, NEVER [21:44] Riffsyphon1024: ugh, there's nothing we can do to remove them from the list? [21:45] Enochf: Maybe add a "filter out userpages" to the wanted pages page? [21:45] Riffsyphon1024: Return to Taul is the first article link [21:45] Ozzel: Anywho, I'm with Culator in that redlink users on recent changes are helpful. [21:45] Riffsyphon1024: that would be a technical thing from Wikia [21:45] Solus|Fishy: Enochf: Sounds good to me. Though I don't know how that's done. Not my job. [21:45] Ozzel: That bunch hasn't always been there. Where did those come from? [21:45] Riffsyphon1024: ohhh Sikon? [21:46] Enochf: Everybody with placeholder userpages got zapped [21:46] Darth_Culator: Don't we have an actual topic? [21:46] *** Initial topic: Phrase of the day: "upgrade anticipation" | Wookieepedia: The Star Wars Wiki - (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com)http://starwars.wikia.com | Site status: Still 1.9. Post CIV reports at (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Celebration_IV)http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Celebration_IV | Quotes: (Link: http://qdb.lucidfox.org)http://qdb.lucidfox.org -- Context is for sissies | No spoilers unless everyone in the room agrees to it. [21:46] Enochf: The TFN thing fizzled. NEXT TOPIC! [21:47] Solus|Fishy: C4! [21:47] WhiteBoy: next topic: C4 [21:47] WhiteBoy: :D [21:47] *** Darth_Culator has changed the topic on channel #wookieepedia to Wookieepedia: Mofference in session. Current topic: C4.. [21:47] Riffsyphon1024: C4!!!! [21:47] Solus|Fishy: Tell all. [21:47] Darth_Culator: Not the explosive. [21:47] Enochf: I propose we DON'T start new articles for all the Vader helmets [21:47] Kuralyov: I don't see why this is a topic for a Mofference [21:47] Darth_Culator: Though I find that interesting as well. [21:47] Joker1138: want i brighter copy of (Link: http://civ.jaymach.com/HPIM0945.JPG)http://civ.jaymach.com/HPIM0945.JPG Riff [21:47] Riffsyphon1024: its to let all you know what happened [21:48] Enochf: Chee visited the table? Did he drop off any continuity? [21:48] *** WhiteBoy (n=chatzill@REDACTED) has signed off IRC ("ChatZilla 0.9.78.1 [Firefox 2.0.0.4/2007051502]"). [21:48] Enochf: HEY! [21:48] Enochf: Get back here [21:48] Riffsyphon1024: what is that? [21:48] Joker1138: the pic? [21:48] *** WhiteBoy (n=chatzill@REDACTED) has joined #wookieepedia. [21:48] WhiteBoy: doh [21:48] Riffsyphon1024: Chee and I just discussed the pitfalls of being extremely technical [21:48] LtNOWIS: Yeah, Chee did mention Wookieepedia as a good source in the official panel. [21:48] WhiteBoy: closed wrong window [21:48] LtNOWIS: We also met Abel Pena. [21:48] Greyman_: nice [21:49] Solus|Fishy: Lucky. [21:49] Ozzel: I was wondering if we should take over Celebration IV and make it all about Wookieepedia's stuff at C4. [21:49] Riffsyphon1024: Joker: the first one was better [21:49] Riffsyphon1024: well Simon took notes [21:49] Ozzel: That way we don't clog up the regular article with it, but we can document the sites' stuff for posterity. [21:49] LO|uninterested: Will the take over be hostile in nature? [21:49] Joker1138: i will upload one onto your talk page, Stand by [21:49] LtNOWIS: I've got more notes on TFU and animated Clone Wars, but not nearly as many. [21:49] LtNOWIS: Still gotta post 'em [21:49] Enochf: Yay! We're a good source! [21:50] Riffsyphon1024: I created a page for users to upload images to Wookieepedia involving us and the convention [21:50] Joker1138: where [21:50] Eyrezer: That should go on the QOTD [21:50] Riffsyphon1024: its in the C4 forums [21:50] Joker1138: i have photoshoped it to be brighter [21:50] Joker1138: and the right way [21:50] Riffsyphon1024: I took a picture of her too Joker [21:50] Enochf: Is Mace Windu gonna continue leaping from flying droid to flying droid? [21:50] Riffsyphon1024: with the picture in the background [21:50] Enochf: It's starting to remind me of Mario 2 [21:51] Riffsyphon1024: lol, Super Mace Brothers? [21:51] Enochf: If he ever falls, I expect to hear the Mario death anthem [21:51] JorrelFraajic: Hah! [21:51] Riffsyphon1024: lol [21:52] Riffsyphon1024: wait, that should have happened in Ep III [21:52] Enochf: Do we have any insider scoops from C4 on The Clone Wars? [21:52] Ozzel: Kind of. [21:52] Enochf: New characters? Thingies? [21:52] Riffsyphon1024: we saw the trailer twice [21:52] Enochf: Bah. Anybody with YouTube saw the trailer. [21:52] Ozzel: Possibly maybe topic-could-be-taken-to-mean Boba Fett will be in it. [21:52] Enochf: Hmm [21:52] Riffsyphon1024: I noticed that the gecko walkers can climb walls [21:52] *** LO|uninterested is now known as LO|BR_break. [21:52] Enochf: Teenage Boba? [21:53] *** JorrelFraajic (n=JorrelFr@REDACTED) has signed off IRC ("Leaving"). [21:53] Riffsyphon1024: enochf: we saw it on the big screen with surround sound [21:53] Ozzel: Maybe. The director mentioned Boba (as far as how to recover from GL screwing up continuity.) [21:53] Joker1138: Here: (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:HPIM0945.jpg)http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:HPIM0945.jpg [21:53] Riffsyphon1024: they were still very tight lipped [21:53] Kuralyov: It seems like there weren't nearly as many 'major announcements' made at C4 as they promised. I mean, the Clone Wars trailer and LOTF title were about it, and those weren't even that big. [21:54] Ozzel: They basically implied that GL did the same sort of screwingup for Grievous. [21:54] Riffsyphon1024: had Lucas showed up, it might have meant he was there to say something, but it didn't happen [21:54] Enochf: Was there a continuity problem w/Grievous? I must've missed it... [21:54] Ozzel: They said George had his own ideas for Grievous' backstory. [21:54] Enochf: Shaak Ti: THERE'S a continuity problem [21:55] Greyman_: lol [21:55] Riffsyphon1024: assuming you ignore the deleted scene [21:55] Ozzel: They director really knows his continuity stuff, but when GL speaks, they have to follow. [21:55] Enochf: She's the Schrodinger's Cat of Star Wars [21:55] Kuralyov: Oh god damn it *shakes head* [21:55] Ozzel: *The [21:55] Riffsyphon1024: dead and alive! [21:55] Enochf: Oh, OK. Yeah... Grievous got, what was it, a novel? A comic? [21:55] LtNOWIS: The director for The Clone Wars is a huge Star Wars fan, of course. [21:55] Riffsyphon1024: I like to think of K'Kruhk as the cat [21:55] LtNOWIS: Plo Koon and all that [21:56] Ozzel: Yes, he gives me faith in the project. [21:56] Darth_Culator: We're wandering again. [21:56] * Riffsyphon1024 hopes that Death Star clears everything up there [21:56] Kuralyov: And we all know Lucas' Greivous backstory will be something like "he is an elite Jedi Senator who was turned evil by death sticks and worked for Jabba the Hutt before signing up with Dooku!" or some lame shit like that [21:56] Enochf: No, this is the subject at hand ^_^ C4 and so forth [21:56] Riffsyphon1024: it is along the lines of C4 [21:57] Eyrezer: Abel Pena is short! (Link: http://www.cuswe.org/cele4/dayfour.html)http://www.cuswe.org/cele4/dayfour.html [21:57] Enochf: Yeah, comic (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_General_Grievous)http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_General_Grievous [21:57] Solus|Fishy: Or we could go ahead and move to the next topic. [21:57] Riffsyphon1024: Seth Green was shorter [21:57] Enochf: And (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Eyes_of_Revolution)http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Eyes_of_Revolution [21:57] Darth_Culator: I'm not quite sure what the next topic means. [21:58] Darth_Culator: And dotty isn't here. [21:58] Riffsyphon1024: h man that's efffing awesome, I'm next to Bob and Abel! [21:58] Riffsyphon1024: and I was taller than Abel [21:58] LtNOWIS: Yeah, you're pretty tall. [21:58] Kuralyov: Yeah, WTF was fdot smoking when he wrote that? [21:58] Eyrezer: (Link: http://www.cuswe.org/cele4/daysix.html)http://www.cuswe.org/cele4/daysix.html here is a cool one of the trivia night [21:59] LtNOWIS: The Clone Wars guy also claims to be big on continuity. [21:59] LtNOWIS: And Lucas has heavy involvement in both Clone Wars and TFU. [21:59] Joker1138: Looks like it was good [21:59] *** LordHydronium (n=LordHydr@REDACTED) has joined #wookieepedia. [22:00] Greyman_: it would have been neat to be there [22:00] Kuralyov: TFU seems to have less pre-existing stuff for Lucas to mess up than the Clone Wars cartoon [22:00] Darth_Culator: I think we should skip dotty's topic which makes no sense and should have gone in a Senate Hall topic, and move on to Sikon's. [22:00] Darth_Culator: LucidFox! Wake up! [22:00] Solus|Fishy: g2g. [22:01] Enochf: LucidFox! Senators! You must wake up! [22:01] *** Solus|Fishy (i=REDACTED@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-47ae608f6304f06b) has signed off IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). [22:01] Darth_Culator: And Joker: (Link: http://civ.jaymach.com/S6000023.JPG)http://civ.jaymach.com/S6000023.JPG [22:01] Riffsyphon1024: still getting over this [22:02] LtNOWIS: Leia and Bail might be in TFU. [22:02] Joker1138: Happy life day everyone......... [22:02] Joker1138: :) [22:02] Enochf: That Talon girl is gonna have fanboys sneaking into her underwear drawer for years... [22:02] Ineedaname: Won't Leia be, like, 2 years old or something? [22:02] Riffsyphon1024: these pics don't have the greatest res [22:03] LtNOWIS: I dunno, actually. [22:03] Riffsyphon1024: but theres the background [22:03] LtNOWIS: Since it's Vader's apprentice, it can't really be right after ROTS. [22:03] LtNOWIS: I remember hearing 7 BBY somewhere, but I think it was speculatory/unofficial [22:03] Riffsyphon1024: damn, she looks so close to the drawing [22:03] Kuralyov: Hydronium said 17 BBY [22:03] LordHydronium: 17 BBY, from the CIV timeline [22:04] LtNOWIS: oh, well forget that than [22:04] Joker1138: Thank the force for ZOOM [22:04] Kuralyov: Did they have a big timeline of events there or something? [22:04] LO|BR_break: What Talon girl? [22:04] LordHydronium: Yeah, on one of the walls [22:04] *** LO|BR_break is now known as LO|Blah. [22:04] Riffsyphon1024: They had an IU and an OOU timeline [22:05] Enochf: The C4 girl whose pics are generating so much interest [22:05] LtNOWIS: There were like 3 or 4 of them. [22:05] Riffsyphon1024: everyone loves Talon [22:06] LtNOWIS: (Link: http://www.rebelscum.com/c4/c4costumes/image90.asp)http://www.rebelscum.com/c4/c4costumes/image90.asp [22:06] Kuralyov: I liked the Jaraeal girl that JJm has on his site [22:06] Enochf: This fall on CBS, Everybody Loves Talon [22:06] Riffsyphon1024: lol [22:06] LO|Blah: Links? [22:06] Enochf: Those two were on the G4 special NOWIS, they looked BORED [22:06] Kuralyov: Looks like that recruitmant woman from the Visionaries pics [22:06] LtNOWIS: yeah [22:07] LtNOWIS: It's a little different, but same idea [22:07] Riffsyphon1024: I saw several Legacy characters, Cade, Talon, Shado Vao, Morlish Veed [22:07] Enochf: Good grief LO there've been like a dozen links to the Hot Talon Girl already [22:07] LtNOWIS: (Link: http://blogs.starwars.com/johnjacksonmiller/34)http://blogs.starwars.com/johnjacksonmiller/34 [22:07] Darth_Culator: Shall we move on? [22:07] Riffsyphon1024: and did anyone notice that the Vader helmet with the antlers was done by Mr Hahn? [22:07] Enochf: Oh. He shot first. [22:08] WhiteBoy: Culator: yes, please...next topic :) [22:08] *** Darth_Culator has changed the topic on channel #wookieepedia to Wookieepedia: Mofference in session. "Current topic: Stable articles/"Wookieepedia 0.5". - Sikon". [22:08] Enochf: Stable articles? [22:08] Darth_Culator: LUCIDFOX! SIKON! SIKOFOX! LUCIDKON! WAKE UP! [22:08] Kuralyov: What exactly is a stable article? One that can't be changed? In that case, I'm against it [22:08] Riffsyphon1024: hmm, stability [22:08] Enochf: Howard Johnson is right [22:09] LordHydronium: I think it's articles that, if they were put in a permanent format, would not suffer for it. [22:09] Riffsyphon1024: would have been nice for us to have at C4 [22:09] Darth_Culator: There's no point to this if nobody gets it and the person who called the damn Mofference isn't talking. [22:09] LtNOWIS: Do we accept spoilers on QDB? [22:09] Enochf: Forget it, man! Sikon's down! He's dead, man! [22:09] LordHydronium: WE already have them, I think [22:09] Riffsyphon1024: Culatorr, we're all distracted by pictures [22:09] LordHydronium: That was to Nowis. [22:09] LtNOWIS: I haven't seen any. [22:10] LtNOWIS: On QDB, that is. [22:10] Kuralyov: QDB? [22:10] Enochf: Spoilers are A-OK on QDB. We're all spoilsports here. [22:10] LtNOWIS: (Link: http://qdb.lucidfox.org/)http://qdb.lucidfox.org/ [22:10] LordHydronium: Hmm, I recall seeing one, but I can't find it. [22:10] LtNOWIS: LucidFox? You wanna answer this? [22:11] Ozzel: Bah, he's not coming. [22:11] Enochf: LucidFox is dead! He's not comin' back! You have to take command! [22:11] LordHydronium: Ah, 1004. [22:11] LordHydronium: And 1003. [22:11] LtNOWIS: Ah. [22:12] Enochf: You have to take command! WHAT ARE YOUR ORDERS, SIR? [22:13] Riffsyphon1024: (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Panel_big.jpg)http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Image:Panel_big.jpg [22:13] *** supergeeky1 (i=REDACTED@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-64251330e2432e8b) has joined #wookieepedia. [22:13] LtNOWIS: nice [22:14] Greyman_: are we done with the QDB topic? [22:14] Ozzel: And no, Hydro isn't trying to start a chorus line. [22:14] WhiteBoy: on topic let's define what the goal of having "stable articles" [22:14] Enochf: Can't imagine [22:15] Riffsyphon1024: I'm having so much fun to stay on target [22:15] Enochf: Like, an article achieves a State of Perfection and can't be updated? [22:15] Darth_Culator: I don't consider them necessary or even plausible. It's an unstable universe, we just have to live in it. [22:15] Joker1138: i dont even know what is going on now [22:15] Kuralyov: Yeah, I agree. [22:16] *** LordHydronium (n=LordHydr@REDACTED) has signed off IRC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)). [22:16] Riffsyphon1024: I think that stable articles will be hard to keep up with because Wookiee changes so much in just the matter of a day [22:16] Ineedaname: LucasFilm is always coming up with new stuff anyway [22:16] *** LordHydronium (n=LordHydr@REDACTED) has joined #wookieepedia. [22:16] WhiteBoy: wish sikon was here to explain his intent, but what I gather is that it would be articles that could be frozen and of a publishable quality [22:16] Greyman_: very true. [22:16] Enochf: Chewbacca is dead, but still appears in his pre-death continuity all over the place [22:16] *** Mode change "+o LordHydronium" for channel #wookieepedia by ChanServ. [22:17] Enochf: Nobody's stable [22:17] LO|Blah: Stability is an illusion. [22:17] Riffsyphon1024: Stability leads to... well you know [22:18] LtNOWIS: Well, some stuff is rather unlikely to get new info out about it. [22:18] WhiteBoy: to accomplish that, I think they would have to be separate "snapshot" articles so the normal article could continue to be developed [22:18] Joker1138: i would like to ask Culator to balance on one leg and recsite the alphabet backwards [22:18] Greyman_: was the point of having "stable articles" so that they could be published? [22:18] WhiteBoy: like take a snapshot of all our FA's or something lol [22:18] WhiteBoy: I'm not sure [22:19] WhiteBoy: I think he had an idea of a CD [22:19] WhiteBoy: to archive the progress or something maybe? [22:19] Greyman_: I think that it needs to be decided upon what A) a stable article is exactly, and B) the reason behind making it "stable" [22:19] LtNOWIS: Wikipedia puts out CDs, I think. [22:20] LtNOWIS: They just choose their most important articles. [22:20] WhiteBoy: so maybe that's what he had in mind [22:20] LordHydronium: The biggest problem with CDs is images. Wikipedia can get around that by using free images. [22:20] Darth_Culator: Wikipedia doesn't have copyright issues. [22:20] Greyman_: i think we could do that with a selection of FA's...and GA's to an extent [22:21] Kuralyov: If we ever do come up with CDs, they would definitely be nice to give out at future Celebrations or major conventions, especially if Wookieepedia tables become a normal thing [22:21] WhiteBoy: k, well, let's table that topic until Sikon can explain his idea [22:21] WhiteBoy: good thought Kuralyov [22:21] Riffsyphon1024: yea if we could do it [22:21] Greyman_: yes, good idea [22:22] Riffsyphon1024: btw, any knowledge of the next Celebration to give us a head start? [22:22] WhiteBoy: ok back on C4 real quick...how do I get a Wookieepedia shirt?? :P [22:22] Joker1138: i to have woundered [22:22] Riffsyphon1024: hmm, I'd think you deserved being the founder and all [22:23] Eyrezer: Me too! [22:23] Kuralyov: Next one is Celebration London in a few months, but I bet there'll be at least a CV and CVI, what with the Clone Wars and live-action shows being out by then [22:23] Riffsyphon1024: deserved one* [22:23] Enochf: The founder didnt' get a shirt? [22:23] WhiteBoy: :( [22:23] Joker1138: anyone going to CE [22:23] Enochf: Shame [22:23] WhiteBoy: wasn't able to make c4 [22:23] Riffsyphon1024: Chad didn't show up [22:23] Ozzel: Ask Xwing, probably. [22:23] Joker1138: i should have gone, [22:23] LtNOWIS: We don't have any extras, do we? [22:23] WhiteBoy: was planning to, then my wife became pregnant... [22:23] Joker1138: Oh well [22:23] LtNOWIS: Congrats, I guess [22:24] WhiteBoy: today is her due date even... too close to travel, so  :( [22:24] WhiteBoy: thanks! :) [22:24] Greyman_: understandable [22:24] Joker1138: luke or Leia right? [22:24] Riffsyphon1024: wow, congrats Chad [22:24] WhiteBoy: lol [22:24] WhiteBoy: ok, no lie...Hayden Lee [22:24] Joker1138: Congrats [22:24] WhiteBoy: if it's a boy [22:24] Riffsyphon1024: but sad you couldn't make it still [22:24] Riffsyphon1024: Hayden? [22:24] WhiteBoy: Lindsey Grace if it's a girl [22:24] Enochf: Well, remember, you must be willing to destroy the galaxy to keep her from dying in childbirth [22:25] Riffsyphon1024: Lindsey is a nice name [22:25] WhiteBoy: lol [22:25] Riffsyphon1024: Hayden might take some flak [22:25] Enochf: Bah, nothing wrong with Hayden [22:25] WhiteBoy: don't particularly care for the actor, but like the name, so... [22:25] LO|Blah: Thank God. [22:25] LO|Blah: A normal person who doesn't use Star Wars names. [22:25] Riffsyphon1024: everyone will tease him into thinking he'll turn into some whiny Sith Lord [22:26] WhiteBoy: rofl...ok sorry for getting off topic [22:26] Riffsyphon1024: its not every day we get to hear about your life Chad [22:26] Joker1138: or anyones for that matter [22:26] Enochf: Yeah, that's a good off-topic [22:26] Riffsyphon1024: its the continuation of fandom through childbirth [22:26] WhiteBoy: hehe [22:26] WhiteBoy: ok, Culator: Reorganizing FA nominations [22:27] *** Darth_Culator has changed the topic on channel #wookieepedia to Wookieepedia: Mofference in session. Current topic: "Reorganizing FA nominations, forum-style. Adding GA link to the FA page. (Per GreenTentacle.) - Sikon". [22:27] WhiteBoy: again? [22:27] Riffsyphon1024: should Hayden Lee get an article too? ;) [22:27] LO|Blah: I'll probably just gonna nod as the mother of my child picks a name. [22:27] WhiteBoy: lol [22:27] LordHydronium: LO: What, you don't think I should name my kid J'ywz'gnk Kchhllbrxcstk Et'nrmdndlcvtbrx? [22:27] Riffsyphon1024: lmao [22:27] WhiteBoy: I called my first kid Whiteling [22:27] LO|Blah: lol [22:27] LO|Blah: *I'm [22:27] Enochf: Well, you might want to choose a core name [22:27] Riffsyphon1024: Chiss names! [22:27] Joker1138: Bearing in mind that we are all star wars fans and the Birth of a child BY a fan is a Rare thing [22:27] LO|Blah: Of course, I might object. [22:28] LO|Blah: Depends. [22:28] Riffsyphon1024: lol [22:28] Enochf: I like the sound of "Mission" ^_^ [22:28] * WhiteBoy rolls eyes [22:28] LordHydronium: Joker: We're Star Wars fans. The birth of any child, or any of the events leading up to it, is a rare thing. [22:28] Riffsyphon1024: I'm just lucky that someone even wants to "do me" [22:28] Joker1138: lol [22:28] WhiteBoy: rofl [22:28] Kuralyov: NOOOOOOOO....next season confirmed as BSG's last! [22:28] WhiteBoy: tmi [22:28] LO|Blah: Riff: Do tell. :PP [22:28] Enochf: Ah, the Triumph at the Star Wars premiere sketch [22:28] Riffsyphon1024: hasn't happened yet, but crosses fingers [22:28] *** Eyrezer (i=REDACTED@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-da69dfb29e6af2da) has signed off IRC (Remote closed the connection). [22:28] LO|Blah: *:P [22:29] LO|Blah: Bah [22:29] LO|Blah: * :P [22:29] WhiteBoy: what's broken with FA noms? [22:29] Riffsyphon1024: I think my affiliation with C4 has turned me into a sexy geek superstar, :P [22:29] LordHydronium: T [22:29] LordHydronium: M [22:29] LordHydronium: I [22:29] Riffsyphon1024: but yea back to FA noms [22:29] LordHydronium: ! [22:29] WhiteBoy: you give Talon your #, Riff? [22:29] LO|Blah: ... [22:29] LO|Blah: ... [22:30] WhiteBoy: :P [22:30] Riffsyphon1024: hah, no [22:30] Darth_Culator: Sikon is annoyed at "technically good" articles making FA. [22:30] Joker1138: he showed her his lightsaber [22:30] Riffsyphon1024: haha [22:30] Enochf: Aren't we all [22:30] Joker1138: ignited [22:30] Darth_Culator: I'm annoyed at him for trying to suppress canonical topics. That's dangerous. [22:30] Kuralyov: Apparently that Talon model runs her own Huttese fansite... [22:30] WhiteBoy: Culator: have an example? [22:30] LordHydronium: I think he means those ones that technically pass all the rules, but aren't the best we have to offer. [22:30] Enochf: Burl Ives! Jon the Farmer! [22:30] Enochf: ^_^ [22:30] LO|Blah: She runs that site, eh? [22:30] LordHydronium: Or at least that's what I'd think [22:30] LordHydronium: TBT is a great example of it. [22:30] LtNOWIS: E.G. Melvin Fett [22:31] * LO|Blah has made sure that he has no affiliation to C4 [22:31] Joker1138: a female star wars fan is about as rare as a tap dancing Rancor.... [22:31] Enochf: It was a sort of intellectual exercise to inflate ANY article to comply with FA standards [22:31] Joker1138: Hi jaina! [22:31] LordHydronium: FA shouldn't be about meeting the bar, it should be about the best of the best. [22:31] WhiteBoy: so - (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TBT)http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/TBT [22:31] JainaSolo: Hi [22:31] Riffsyphon1024: I saw thousands of female fans [22:31] Joker1138: thats 1 [22:31] Joker1138: ........ [22:31] Enochf: Now you're getting it [22:32] WhiteBoy: LH: agreed [22:32] LO|Blah: There must be quite a few tap dancing rancors. [22:32] Greyman_: ok...so what's a proposed resolution for this? [22:32] Enochf: Kill Burl Ives [22:32] Joker1138: ..in real life? [22:32] LO|Blah: What about meeting at the bar? [22:32] LordHydronium: Seems to be the Inqs work for that. [22:32] Greyman_: yes [22:32] Enochf: Uh, I think he's dead already, but don't put him on the front page [22:32] LordHydronium: *to me [22:33] Joker1138: Good lord tis 3:30 [22:33] Greyman_: but, there seems like there has only been a small number of inq who have been around lately... [22:33] Joker1138: the cat is alseep [22:33] Enochf: I don't think there's anyway possible way to craft language that will keep out articles like this [22:33] LO|Blah: No, it's 10:33. [22:33] LordHydronium: Cats are always asleep. [22:33] Riffsyphon1024: how many more topics do we have to do? [22:33] LordHydronium: The Inqs are basically supposed to be trusted enough that they can judge whether something really is the best of the best, not just meeting expectations. [22:33] LO|Blah: And don't give me that timeznes shit. [22:33] Enochf: Because the whole point is that, no matter how specific the language is, you can push crap onto the front page that qualifies [22:33] LO|Blah: *timezones [22:33] Joker1138: My cats name is Obi-Wan [22:34] Joker1138: no shit [22:34] WhiteBoy: so maybe the solution is to replace with some more active inqs? [22:34] Greyman_: yes, that is what i've been thinking [22:34] Darth_Culator: And suppressing individual articles is evil, and I can't believe Sikon was considering it. "Out-of-the-blue administrative actions" indeed. [22:34] LO|Blah: My cat's name is 2 syllables. [22:34] LordHydronium: I admit I haven't been active recently, in any sense. [22:34] Enochf: My cat's breath smells like cat food [22:34] LO|Blah: What a coincidence. [22:34] LordHydronium: Real life and CIV met up with the Internet. [22:34] Kuralyov: My cat's name is Pussy Galore [22:34] LO|Blah: Mine too [22:35] WhiteBoy: oh... forgot to link Melvin Fett - (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Melvin_Fett)http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Melvin_Fett [22:35] Joker1138: he is snoring as i speak...well type [22:35] LordHydronium: Kuralyov: Awesome name. :P [22:35] Riffsyphon1024: my cat simply has one name, Ninja [22:35] WhiteBoy: (for record's sake) [22:35] Enochf: But, I mean, nobody was pushign the issue on these dopey FAs because tempers kept running high [22:35] WhiteBoy: heh...Bond fan, Kuralyov? [22:35] Kuralyov: Huge one. [22:36] Greyman_: Zayne Carrick is a good example of a lack of inq input...it was a FA nom longer that it should have, simply because it couldn't get 2 more inq votes. [22:36] Riffsyphon1024: I have no reason except that mine is evil [22:36] Enochf: Yeah, well, Improvement Drive is a ghost town [22:36] Kuralyov: Melvin Fett is an example of the sort of article I hate...it takes an extremely minor source and expands it to around fifty paragraphs, most of which is fan extrapolation [22:36] Enochf: Might be time to scrap Improvement Drive [22:36] Joker1138: Kuralyov: dose that mean that of a night you lean out of your window and call out for Pussy? [22:37] LO|Blah: Hey. [22:37] WhiteBoy: eh... ID should stay around [22:37] LtNOWIS: Yeah, I'm in agreement with Kura. [22:37] WhiteBoy: may need some help, tho [22:37] LO|Blah: HBO is playing ANH :) [22:37] Ineedaname: There's been a lot of nominations on the Improvement Drive recently [22:37] Enochf: Like what? Brownie points? [22:37] Ozzel: Improvement drive is helping articles. There's just no participation in the voting. [22:38] Riffsyphon1024: that's cause all the contributors were in LA [22:38] WhiteBoy: :D [22:38] Riffsyphon1024: well minus Kura [22:38] LO|Blah: I haven't been to LA in several months. [22:38] Enochf: Out for a bit [22:39] *** Enochf (i=REDACTED@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-2920816452cf1dc7) has signed off IRC (Remote closed the connection). [22:39] Riffsyphon1024: we really could have used you there Kura [22:39] WhiteBoy: While I wouldn't say I *hate* articles like Melvin Fett, I would definitely think they're not FA material [22:39] Kuralyov: If there's a C5 I'll probably go [22:39] LO|Blah: I won't. [22:39] Joker1138: so might i [22:40] LO|Blah: Nor will I attend C6+ [22:40] WhiteBoy: I will try...hopefully won't be having a kid this time :P [22:40] Riffsyphon1024: now where would it be? [22:40] Ozzel: LO: You hate the idea. We get it." [22:40] Riffsyphon1024: Chicago would be nice, OHare would suck to fly into though [22:40] Joker1138: would be good if a lot more Wookieepedians could meet up there [22:40] Riffsyphon1024: unless its just bad for those changing planes [22:41] Greyman_: Sikon - FA: simply put, the current system is vulnerable to a massive flood of "technically good" articles. The trend appears to have slowed down, but we nevertheless need countermeasures â€” even if it means out-of-the-blue administrative actions. [22:41] Kuralyov: Someplace on the East Coast would be awesome for me [22:41] LordHydronium: Sansweet said they really liked the LA con center. [22:41] Greyman_: what countermeasures? any thoughts? [22:41] LtNOWIS: Right [22:41] Riffsyphon1024: I wouldn't doubt if they try LA again [22:41] LtNOWIS: It's an incredibly big building. [22:41] LordHydronium: They did Indianapolis twice in a row. [22:41] LO|Blah: In ANH, it the underside of the escape pods hatch blue? [22:41] Joker1138: it did look a bit to spaced out [22:41] LtNOWIS: Yeah, but IN is getting too small. [22:41] Riffsyphon1024: it was, and I learned my way around within a day [22:41] LtNOWIS: was* [22:41] Riffsyphon1024: I only heard that Indy failed [22:42] WhiteBoy: Greyman's quote sounds like adding bureaucracy to me [22:42] WhiteBoy: can we not trust our Inqs to weed out the dumb ones? [22:42] Greyman_: i would hope so [22:42] Darth_Culator: "Dumb" is subjective. [22:42] LordHydronium: I don't mean that they'd do Indy again, but they're not adverse to keeping it in one location [22:42] LordHydronium: I think the Inqs can be trusted [22:42] WhiteBoy: heh..true [22:42] LordHydronium: ...said the Inq. :P [22:43] Riffsyphon1024: and what was so special about Denver for CI [22:43] LordHydronium: But seriously, isn't the point of the Inqs to look beyond "technically good" and only vote for the really good articles? [22:43] Greyman_: Lord H...so as an Inq, what do you think needs to be done? [22:43] Greyman_: anything? [22:43] Greyman_: do you think the system is working? [22:43] LO|Blah: An Inq? [22:43] LordHydronium: Are we even having a problem with FA? [22:43] LordHydronium: Because if it ain't broke... [22:43] Riffsyphon1024: this is why I don't bother with Inq and FA, too confusing [22:44] Greyman_: exactly [22:44] LO|Blah: God, I don't know who's an Inq. [22:44] Joker1138: Got to go soon [22:44] Darth_Culator: Aside from *certain people* having objections to *certain articles* because they think they're silly, there is no problem. [22:44] LO|Blah: Besides 4dot. [22:44] Greyman_: i personally don't think there is anything currently wrong with the system [22:44] Ozzel: Nor do I. [22:44] LO|Blah: Even with him I can't be sure. [22:44] Darth_Culator: I encourage silly articles. [22:44] Riffsyphon1024: we should strike votes on the basis that the article is silly [22:44] LordHydronium: I mean, right now TBT is being stopped by the Inq, and since I think it's a subpar article, I think that's a sign that we're not just rubberstamping. [22:45] Darth_Culator: I want a Mount Sorrow-type article on the front page every week. [22:45] Greyman_: However, I would like to see more active Inq's [22:45] LO|Blah: Works for me. [22:45] WhiteBoy: LordH: I think so. We should only put people in there that have common sense as to what's silly and what's not [22:45] Riffsyphon1024: have we gotten George Lucas to FA? [22:45] LordHydronium: Greyman: Yes, me too. And I'm not helping there, I know. [22:45] WhiteBoy: should a silly article be an FA, tho? [22:45] Darth_Culator: I want to point out the fact that this stuff is canon whether people like it or not, and we can't exclude anything. *A-ny-thing.* [22:45] LO|Blah: 4dot has that. [22:45] Riffsyphon1024: yes, its canon so live with it [22:45] LordHydronium: WhiteBoy: The content is, and should be irrelevant. [22:45] LtNOWIS: Carrick is kind of sucky, because in a year it'll be supremely out of date. [22:46] Greyman_: I wasn't finger pointing at all :P ...it was a general observation [22:46] LO|Blah: He just defies common sense in that case. [22:47] WhiteBoy: except, of course, when the article is from a non-canon source like Melvin Fett [22:48] Darth_Culator: Debatably non-canon. Not explicitly non-canon. [22:48] Joker1138: Tis time for i to take my leave [22:48] WhiteBoy: later Joker [22:48] Greyman_: later [22:48] Joker1138: Goodnight, good luck and may your God go with you. [22:48] *** Joker1138 (i=REDACTED@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-77fd825839955ca3) has signed off IRC (Remote closed the connection). [22:48] Ozzel: Even if it is officially non-canon, there should be no problem as long as the article is up to snuff. [22:49] Ineedaname: I have no objections to non-canon stuff on the front page [22:49] Riffsyphon1024: what a joker [22:49] Greyman_: exactly...a well-written article is just that, well-written [22:50] Riffsyphon1024: also canon update, Jan Duursema told me that the creatures in Legacy:Broken chasing Cade and the gang are not cannoks but a new creature altogether [22:50] Riffsyphon1024: see (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vendaxan_stalked_carnivore)http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Vendaxan_stalked_carnivore [22:51] WhiteBoy: well, I trust the inqs to be able to determine what is FA material and what's GA material [22:51] WhiteBoy: to me, Melvin Fett would never be FA material [22:51] WhiteBoy: FA's are what we are proud of and what we want people to see when they first come to the site [22:51] WhiteBoy: they are of interest to the casual fan [22:52] WhiteBoy: lightsabers, xwings, George Lucas, etc [22:52] LO|Blah: Cannoks? [22:52] Ozzel: I disagree. The subject is irrelevant. [22:52] WhiteBoy: exactly ;) [22:52] Riffsyphon1024: and GA's need to be renamed Great Articles, they can't be just good anymore [22:52] Darth_Culator: Too limited. [22:52] Riffsyphon1024: LO: read the article [22:53] LO|Blah: Heh. What idiot thought those were cannoks? [22:53] Riffsyphon1024: me [22:53] LO|Blah: No offense to said moronic imbecile. [22:53] LO|Blah: :P [22:53] Riffsyphon1024: I see now that the eye sockets on cannoks do not line up with the stalks on these creatures [22:53] Greyman_: So have we decided to leave the FA process as is? [22:54] *** whp (i=REDACTED@gateway/web/cgi-irc/ircatwork.com/x-21301eef01de57e8) has joined #wookieepedia. [22:55] *** Enochf (i=REDACTED@gateway/web/cgi-irc/irc.wikia.com/x-d9f006d6885e7274) has joined #wookieepedia. [22:55] whp: How long has the mofference been in session? [22:55] LO|Blah: Woah. [22:55] LO|Blah: I didn't know cannoks appeared before KOTOR. [22:55] Greyman_: it's been going for a while now [22:55] Ineedaname: 2 hours [22:55] Riffsyphon1024: the mofference is about to end isn't it? [22:56] whp: Oh. [22:56] LO|Blah: It isn't over already? [22:56] WhiteBoy: yes [22:56] Riffsyphon1024: FAs were the last topic I believe [22:56] Greyman_: and adding a GA link to the FA page [22:56] Riffsyphon1024: then it is done, what am I supposed to say to make it official? [22:56] Ineedaname: Ozzel: Image:800px-Clone Army Charge.jpg is actually a slightly edited picture [22:56] Ozzel: Crap, was it? [22:57] Ozzel: Well, the guy has too many anyway. [22:57] WhiteBoy: yes, and sounds like we pretty much agree that the process is ok, just may need to replace some of the less active Inqs [22:57] Ineedaname: He added a Mandalorian helmet and jetpack to the guy leading the charge or something [22:57] Greyman_: indeed...the last point Sikon was "Adding GA link to the FA page. (Per GreenTentacle.) " [22:57] Greyman_: ? [22:57] Ineedaname: But yes, he has, like 8, pictures [22:57] LO|Blah: How many Inqs are inactive? [22:58] Ozzel: Then I won't go to the trouble of restoring it. [22:58] Greyman_: from looking at the list, I'd say more than half are inactive [22:58] LO|Blah: Just as it is with our admins. [22:59] Riffsyphon1024: but during the summer, we may have a resurgence [22:59] Riffsyphon1024: classes, jobs, C4, all interfered with our ability to maintain the wiki [23:00] WhiteBoy: Inquisitors [23:00] WhiteBoy:    * Breathesgelatin [23:00] WhiteBoy:    * Cull Tremayne [23:00] WhiteBoy:    * Darth Culator [23:00] WhiteBoy:    * Eyrezer [23:00] WhiteBoy:    * Gonk [23:00] WhiteBoy:    * Green tentacle [23:00] WhiteBoy:    * Havac [23:00] WhiteBoy:    * Imperialles [23:00] WhiteBoy:    * Jaina Solo [23:00] WhiteBoy:    * Lord Hydronium [23:00] WhiteBoy:    * Thefourdotelipsis [23:00] WhiteBoy:    * Xwing328 [23:00] Riffsyphon1024: that's fast Chad [23:00] LO|Blah: Why doesn't Breathes ever talk to me? [23:00] Riffsyphon1024: because she's afraid you might not leave her along [23:00] Riffsyphon1024: alone*\ [23:01] Greyman_: i believe she's been really busy lately....she hasn't been around alot lately [23:01] Riffsyphon1024: as with all women essentially [23:01] Greyman_: not all [23:01] WhiteBoy: replace Breathes, then? [23:02] Riffsyphon1024: is this the place to discuss removals? [23:02] WhiteBoy: prolly not [23:03] WhiteBoy: just decide that's what we want to do then take it to the wiki for discussion [23:03] LO|Blah: Quite improbable. [23:03] Riffsyphon1024: oh yawn [23:04] Greyman_: what about a general Forum thread about it? [23:04] Riffsyphon1024: I officially stick a spork in this mofference [23:04] WhiteBoy: sounds good [23:04] WhiteBoy: gonna go tuck the kids in [23:04] LO|Blah: Would she be ok with that? [23:04] WhiteBoy: later all [23:04] Riffsyphon1024: May the Sporks Be With You All [23:04] Greyman_: cya [23:05] Riffsyphon1024: later Chad [23:05] Ineedaname: So the Mofference is over? [23:06] Greyman_: it appears to be [23:06] LtNOWIS: And of course, someone forgets to add spoiler tags to new book information. [23:06] Greyman_: of course [23:06] Riffsyphon1024: the Mofference IS OVER [23:06] *** Darth_Culator has changed the topic on channel #wookieepedia to Word of the day: "spork" | Wookieepedia: The Star Wars Wiki - (Link: http://starwars.wikia.com)http://starwars.wikia.com | Site status: Mofference over. Still 1.9. Aware of annoying server image caching bug, go yell at #wikia. | Quotes: (Link: http://qdb.lucidfox.org)http://qdb.lucidfox.org -- Context is for sissies | No spoilers unless everyone in the room agrees to it.