Talk:Mara Jade Skywalker

Main image
Don't get me wrong, I love the current picture (more than most people, probably), but as far as infoboxes go, I think this would be better, since it's more of a closeup. It's the one from the cover of Star Wars Insider 47. I had to de a little work to remove the logo, but people seem to think it looks okay. Here is what it would look like in the article. Any objections? -- Ozzel 20:31, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. We need a) a closeup and b) one of the liveaction closeups. This one works for me. QuentinGeorge 21:13, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I've made an executive decision to go ahead and change it. If there's a big outcry, it can be flipped back, but I reckon it fits better. QuentinGeorge 21:15, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, definitely count me among those who like the old image but think this one is more fitting for the infobox. Not only is it more close-up, but it's also less seen. jSarek 23:06, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm all for this new image. The old one just looked silly. --Imperialles 23:09, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * On a related note, anyone have a scan of that pic of "Good Mara" in green, from the same issue of Insider? jSarek 23:10, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Yep, I scanned it too; I'll upload it soon. The one we have now is taken from another website. -- Ozzel 23:26, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Heh, didn't even notice there was a copy of it just up this page a little. Oh well, I look forward to the upload and the image's addition to the article. jSarek 23:37, 1 July 2007 (UTC)
 * For some reason I feel that that particular image doesn't show off her character as much as the last one did. If you are looking for a head and shoulders pic I'd like to suggest Lukemaraben. Bioevil087 ( Mara Jade’s Ex )[[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] 16:05, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree, this one doesn't show off her character as much, but I like it and think it would be better for the infobox image  - Jaina Leia Mara Talk
 * Replacing what is essentially a high-quality live-action shot with an artist's impression does not make much sense to me. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 17:52, 30 October 2007 (UTC)
 * what'd u do???Ewokmenace 00:31, 29 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This image is extremely un-attractive. It makes it seem as though Luke Skywalker has horrible taste in women. There are pictures in this article that portray Mara as good-looking, this one does not. 68.0.31.212 17:05, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * You speak for yourself. jSarek 19:03, 5 May 2008 (UTC)
 * I concur. Take it back to the Legacy Cover. 98.134.144.62 06:22, 5 June 2008 (UTC)
 * I am split. While this image is good quality and a good close-up, Mara usually is... well, better-looking. this looks like she has wrinkles.74.186.151.239 00:36, 6 September 2008 (UTC).

Talents section
This section sorta reads more like parts should be in the Biography section with blow by blow accounts. I thought Talents & Traits type sections were supposed to be more of a summary. I'm not saying the section should be tossed, just shortened. What do you think? -Fnlayson 22:13, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I wrote it at the suggestion of Ataru, and he edited it and said it looked good. Honestly, though, whatever is best for the article is what I'm happy with. Go ahead an edit what you think needs to be taken out ;) Cheers,  Greyman ( Paratus ) 22:17, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * It's a good addition, it just seems long to me. I'll wait see what others think. -Fnlayson 22:21, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, sounds like a plan. Greyman ( Paratus ) 22:24, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The main reason I prefer a more in-depth section is so that we have examples to use as evidence when we say "Mara was a good spy" or "Mara was a good lightsaber fighter." The purpose isn't to recount every single duel or example of infiltration she had, but to provide a general overview of her abilities and highlight notable examples. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:14, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

Duel With Lumiya (On Capriori)
Shouldn't this be mentioned somewhere in the article? The Capriori section doesn't mention it at all, so the only information I've managed to find was in the Lumiya article.67.101.198.42 06:13, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes, it should. We will add the necessary information as soon as we can. Thanks. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 14:24, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

The emperrors last command
Maybe i am missing something or an important detail is missing on this page. There is no mention of the fact that while the emperror died he issued a command to his hand mara jade to kill Luke Skywalker. That was the reason why she could not get involved with him, she needed to kill him. Then when she and luke confronted C'baoth she killed Skywalkers clone with a lightsaber and freed herself from Palpatines last command. Before she lifted that curse she was not free from the emperror. That can be found in http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/The_Last_Command
 * What you are talking about is in the article in several places: Mara Jade Skywalker (4th paragraph) and Mara Jade Skywalker (2nd paragraph). Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 02:17, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Subordiante Images
Re: The Solo and Skywalker family in the Yuuzhan Vong War (pic). You might want to identifiy trhe other two women in the pic. I 'assume' the one on the left of Master SKYWALKER is Master SKYWALKER-SOLO, to the right Master JADE-SKYWALKER.

The image page already details that.  Firebird  Phoenix Rising 16:16, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Mara Jade Enters Jedi Order
I always wanted to know what year Mara became a Jedi. Can anyone tell me?

Jedi Vilxi 00:04, 9 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Mara was loosely associated with the Jedi Order around 9 ABY when she met Luke. Later, she had some training via Kyle Katarn and Luke again around the era of 11 ABY. She didn't really become a full-time Jedi until after she married Luke, circa 22 ABY, around Survivor's Quest and Judge's Call. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 01:43, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

When Mara knew about Luke
"Mara soon became envious of Vader and sensed a division in him, specifically because she didn't understand the basis of his obsession concerning Luke Skywalker." That was from the main page and it was before the Battle of Yavin. But in Allegiance (set 0.5ABY) on page 48 (paperback version) when she looks up Vader's search and it reads Luke Skywalker "Mara frowned, searching her memory. Had she ever heard that name before? She didn't think so."

So my question is, is the main page wrong about her knowing about Luke at that time and when did Vader first know about him as well? As he would have to know before ANH and that doesn't seem right to me. Bioevil087 10:25, 14 April 2008 (UTC)

''Before the Battle of Yavin, she was tasked with gathering intelligence in order to help Darth Vader hunt down any Jedi she found that had survived Order 66—one such Jedi was An'ya Kuro. Mara soon became envious of Vader and sensed a division in him, specifically because she didn't understand the basis of his obsession concerning Luke Skywalker. Mara began to hope that Vader would betray the Emperor so that she could kill him and take his place as the Emperor's apprentice.''

You're misreading the above paragraph and merging (so to speak) the second sentence with the first. (though I agree it's sloppy wording, I don't know how to better fix it). It doesn't state exactly when she became jealous. Either way, I think the envy only really rose after Allegiance.  Firebird  Phoenix Rising 14:07, 14 April 2008 (UTC) The problem I see is that both those paragraphs begin with a time reference and all paragraphs are meant to pertain to their first statement. So it simply seems (to me at least) that she knew about Vader's obsession with Luke but didn't understand why, which is in conflict with the information provided in Allegiance.
 * Hi. Perhaps it's the placement of those specific sentences, but those sentences are based on Mara Jade's statements in the PC strategy game Star Wars Galactic Battlegrounds as the narrator for the Imperial campaign, which takes place shortly after the Battle of Yavin. I'll work on moving those sentences for greater readability. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 10:50, 14 April 2008 (EDT)

How about the first paragraph, if we have it so that she began to become curious about Vader's actions hunting down Jedi and after some investigation following the Battle of Yavin she first learned the name Luke Skywalker but couldn't recall if she had heard of him before. The second paragraph would begin with "During the time preceding the Battle of Hoth..."

How's that? Bioevil087 03:44, 15 April 2008 (EDT)
 * I did some rewording and combined two of the shorter paragraphs. It should be easier to read now. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 13:39, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

Mara's Death
I'm just wondering, as it doesnt say anywhere i looked on wookieepedia, but how come mara couldnt counteract the poison in the dart jacen stabbed her with? shouldnt a jedi of her ability be able to neutralize it with the force? (wookieman3) ok well i dont know about you guys but i dont think its fair that mara had to die. i know jacen had to kill someone he loved, but why not kill tenel ka or somthin. HONESTLY mara rules
 * Because the book never mentions anything about her countering the poison and Wookieepedia doesn't cater to fan theories. If you read Survivor's Quest, there are poisons which are difficult for Jedi to deal with and at any rate, take it up with Karen Traviss. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 21:26, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

Conflicting information
Her birth year is said to be 18 BBY in the infobox and then 17 BBY in the article. Which one is right?  Stake black   msg 17:27, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * 18 BBY is the sourced birthdate, so I'm assuming that the former is correct. However, I noticed that her age-at-death is wrong as well; for her to be 75 when she died, she either had to be born in 35 BBY or die in 57 ABY. Or is there some sort of difference between our human years and the years in Star Wars? // ~mikah~  18:36, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * That doesn't denote age of death. It denotes a different system of measuring years IIRC. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 23:20, 27 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Oh, I see. Seems like I'll be taking a look into that, 'cause I was always under the impression it meant age and frankly, I hate feeling confused about things. Thanks. // ~mikah~  01:18, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Murder?
Why is Caedus referred to as Mara's murderer? Wouldn't "Mara's killer" be more correct, since Caedus was actually acting in self defense? It may sound nitpicky but I think it is more accurate.Mad Jax 20:48, 31 August 2008 (UTC) I think he was her murderer. I mean, she fought first, but he wanted to kill her. Maybe it was in self defense, but he decided she would be his sacrifice. LeiaOrganicSolo 00:32, 6 September 2008 (UTC)
 * yeah I agree Steves490 20:50, 31 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I have reworded the article to show that while Caedus wasn't explicitly Mara's "murderer"&mdash;it was more or less a fair fight. Instead, I stated that Ben believed Caedus to be her murderer. All through Revelation, Ben conducts his investigation like that of a murder crime scene, which is why I wanted to leave that word in there. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 01:27, 1 September 2008 (UTC)
 * Very true. I mean, "self defense" is blocking a lightsaber slash, not deciding to kill a family member, planning it, then attacking them. I think it was technically murder.74.186.151.239 00:40, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

There is room for argument I suppose, but the more generic "killer" still covers it succinctly, whereas "murderer" is subject to controversy. Anyway, the way it is worded now is fine.Mad Jax 00:04, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Powers and abilities section
I believe it would be appropriate to form Mara's "Talents" section into a Wookieepedia-adherent "Powers and abilities" section, especially in light of the article's apparent Featured status. A "talents" section is fine, but a section properly devoted to her Force abilities (which P&A section are usually geared towards) I think is required. I'm usually the minority in opinion, but are there any others who see where I'm coming from? —Tommy9281  ( Peace is a lie ) 01:04, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * As often as I come here, I'm surprised I missed that myself. I definitely side with you on this one. // ~mikah~  02:12, 7 October 2008 (UTC)
 * To be honest, I rather like it the way it is. "Talents" is a much broader word that encompasses her own Force powers and the long list of skills that she possessed. However, if you're that set on changing it, start a talk page vote or bring it up for Inq review. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 20:54, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Do such steps really need to be taken? It's written in the MoS that P&As should be standard to begin with. I was under the impression the current information would be kept, and any necessary powers-abilities facts would just be added as we went along. // ~mikah~  21:01, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It's also written in the Layout Guide and has been cited that section requirements are somewhat flexible. Might I point out that there are three long paragraphs on Mara's Force abilities in there? Perhaps a little bit of tweaking could be done to the actual prose, but I see no need to break up one coherent section. At most, I might rename it to "Skills and abilities" or even the slightly clunkier "Skills, abilities, and talents" section. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 21:06, 29 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I seemed to have missed the flexibility bit. In the case of all you've pointed, I suppose there really isn't much need for change. (Tell that to Obama, but I'll leave the political cracks to the folks that actually have a clue about what they're talking about.) // ~mikah~  21:15, 29 October 2008 (UTC)