Talk:Advanced Recon Commando/Legends

Redundant?
I know it's used in-universe, but isn't "ARC trooper" redundant? "Advanced Recon Commando Trooper"? --SparqMan 07:55, 16 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * It is redundant. even if it is in-universe. maybe they had another meaning for ARC like for BARC Razzy1319 08:23, 16 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * EDIT: my mistake BARC means the same dang thing. Razzy1319 08:23, 16 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Quote Source
Where'd that quote come from? If it's from Hard Contact, I don't remember reading it. --AdmThrawn 05:42, 17 Jan 2006 (UTC)

I haven't read it either.Commando1138 03:13, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, which quote? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:08, 21 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The one at the top, from Fi. Commando1138 22:24, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Oh. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 23:05, 22 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Do you know where it's from?Commando1138 16:40, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, no. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:14, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Its not a quote. Fi doesn't say it. It's from Omega Squad: Targets. It should be replaced with an actuall quote.Commando1138 21:29, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Then how is it expressed? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:31, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * In the third person.Commando1138 21:56, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Is it a thought or something? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:57, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Not exactly. But it's not something he says, so it should be replaced with something else.Commando1138 22:42, 23 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, tell me how it's used, then. If it's not an actual quote or a thought, what is it? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:30, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Its a sentence. Example: Fi fired his blaster. It is used like that (no insult intended:)Commando1138 02:34, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

ARC captain info
Is the information going to be in the article or not? If so, why was it removed? I notice that Talk:ARC trooper captain/Temp, which had what this was to look like, is no longer up. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:04, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

Dude, don't say "Advanced Recon Clone Trooper". Do you even have any proof of that name?
 * It's in a Star Wars: Republic issue. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 02:01, 1 March 2006 (UTC)
 * plus, sign your post if your gonna make a comment would be usefull and yes it is used in republic il check what issue Jedi Dude
 * That would be helpful, please. I have it in Volume One, meaning I don't have the individual issue. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

Mission to Ord Cestus
Who keeps on changing the Mission to Ord Cestus to the Battle of Ord Cestus. It wasn't a full-blown battle. There were virtually no Republic forces present. It was on the same scale as the Mission to Qiilura. Commando1138 15:49, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Uh, that's me. Notice that the link is still to the correct article. Nonetheless, there were two Jedi commanders leading a group of clone troopers and members of Desert Wind versus the CIS side. I'd call that a battle. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:02, 24 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I disagree. It was four clones and two Jedi and a small group of Desert Wind. There were no actual front-lines battles (like Praesitlyn or something). I tend to believe it was a mission. Just cause theres two Jedi leading a group of clones doesn't mean its a battle. Look at the Mission to Coruscant. They have a lot in common. Commando1138 19:02, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Fine, remove the battle part, then. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 19:48, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Thank you.Commando1138 20:19, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Still, I think it deserves to be called a battle, even if you disagree. But I no longer have a say in the matter. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:22, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No hard feelings?Commando1138 22:11, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * No hard feelings. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:36, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

ARC trooper Phase II armor?
Does anybody know if ARC troopers also wore Phase II armor? I've only seen them in Phase I armors.
 * They only wore ARC trooper armor, which was neither Phase I nor Phase II armor. However, Alpha-77 did wear modified armor as of 19 BBY. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:18, 17 April 2006 (UTC)
 * The OS of BFII calls the Heavy troopers ARCs. So, I redirected that page here. The 501st commandos wore Bacara-like armor.--
 * They aren't ARCs, Bly1993. Advanced Recon Commandos worked mainly on their own. The 501st didn't have any ARCs. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 18:12, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Alpha-17 wore hybrid ARC/Phase II armor in the comic Obsession. [[Image:Bobp.JPG|50px]]--Valin Kenobi 07:48, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * No, that was just Phase II clone trooper armor, not a hybrid. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:08, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
 * ARC captain A-77 "Fordo" was seen wearing Phase II armor during the Battle of Coruscant. It would make sense for them to upgrade their commandos with the new style of armor.
 * Well, we don't know if it was "Phase II ARC armor" or just modified armor for him only. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:47, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

I don't care if this topic is old.
 * Although Battlefront II is uncanon, and I don't excatly believe this, Battlefront II portrays ARCs as heavy troopers, which phase II armor is like Bacara's armor, although I personally think they would look like Phase II alpha. Just my thoughts.
 * It's not "uncanon"; certain things go against canon. And ARCs and heavy troopers were two different types. Plus, the armor issue goes against canon as well. There's no way all the clone commanders were Galactic Marines, etc. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 01:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC)

ARC Commander canon?
Somewhere i saw a picture of an ARC trooper wearing yellow from a clone wars comic, I think it was called "Hide in plain sight" or something. Would that be called an ARC trooper commander and is it canon? ArcTrooper1138 20:54, 25 April 2006 (UTC) http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a85/Mandalorian_Boba_Fett/ARCTrooperCommander.jpg http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a85/Mandalorian_Boba_Fett/nadiemyellowARC.jpg
 * I thought the same thing. However, there is no source for "ARC trooper commander". We once had an article for it, however, until we realized it wasn't canon. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 21:38, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * ARCTrooper1138, you're talking about this one, right? Sadriel Fett 03:07, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it was from one of the Clone War comics. I thought I remembered seeing a pic of it on here or the regular Wikipedia myself, at one time.  They even had his name listed.  Although, I don't understand why it wouldn't be included?  Especially if we're including ARC's from the cartoon series as canon.  The yellow would just denote the rank.  It would make sense, that at some point, one of the ARC's that were left would be promoted to Commander.  I believe that's what they were expanding on in the comic series.  All the behind the scenes action that was left out of the actual Cartoon Network series. Sadriel Fett 03:09, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * First of all: There's no picture. Second of all: Although yellow would denote the rank, "ARC commander" is another term for clone commander. It is very possible that it's just a standard clone commander wearing equipment similar to that of ARC troopers. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:14, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Didn't Commander Bly wear gear similar to ARCs? He had yellow stripes on. VT-16 14:42, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, that's true. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 17:32, 7 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I guess the image got removed from the site I was using. I'll fix that.  As for Bly, yeah, he used gear similar to that, because he was part of the group of commanders trained by ARC Trooper Alpha.  The majority of them started wearing Kama's, and then some of those commanders started rewarding their men with the same, such as in Commander Deviss' case.  They were actually being trained, though, to be field commanders.  I believe Alpha was promoted to Captain (red) before he began training the new commanders.  Do they even use the color system, though, by the time of Ep III?  Deviss wears red trim, even though he's a commander, and almost all of Bly's Star Corps has yellow trim on their armor.  Many of them wear the Kama's, too.  Go figure?  Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 22:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Also, I finally found a pic of that Yellow ARC that actually had the name of the battle he was in on it. I want to say I originally found it on this site, or another Wiki site.  You can take a look at it, and see if you want to use it or not.  I wish I could remember the name of this guy.  Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 22:26, 8 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, there are many yellow clones that look like ARCs in the Clone Wars Adventures. And no, Alpha wasn't a captain even though an Insider issue shows him as one. And the color ranking system wasn't used in 19 BBY. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:35, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Out of curiosity, does it actually say somewhere that Alpha wasn't a Captain during that timeframe? Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 16:18, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * He wears blue ARC armor in every appearance of his, minus the Insider article. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 16:20, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * I know, but he wasn't training the clone Commander's at that point. I was wondering if they listed somewhere if he'd been promoted in order to do the training.  Maybe even promoted, because of him performing the traing of the clone commanders.  My only problem with that, though, is that one of the last Star Wars: Republic comics with him in it, he's wearing Phase II armor, but it has blue trim.  However, they say they're not using the rank color by this time.  Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 16:43, 9 June 2006 (UTC)
 * This discussion occured once before with myself in your position; however, I was convinced that Alpha was never promoted to ARC captain because there is no proof he was. While I also thought he would be a captain because he trained commanders, the image is the only "evidence" I had. It turns out that the red coloring was probably due to artistic licensing. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:10, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

"blue-striped standard"
I was under the impression that the "blue-striped standard" indicated that like some Earth special forces, the bare minimum for entry was a low level officer, making the blue ARCs lieutenants. --SparqMan 18:28, 28 June 2006 (UTC) What about the color coded officer system. IIRC, the ARC armor is from early in the GAR development when the color system was in use. If so, blue = lieutenant. Am I wrong? --SparqMan 21:12, 28 June 2006 (UTC) What? Why would a rank system only apply to part of the force? Maybe we can make sense of the Imperial Navy ranks by suggesting that different elements use a different rank system. --SparqMan 04:14, 29 June 2006 (UTC) There also aren't any Ensigns in the U.S. Navy SEALS. They're elite, which you usually don't find at the bottom of the ladder. --SparqMan 15:26, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * However, no source calls the standard ARCs lieutenants. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:38, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, we do not know if that ranking system applied to the ARCs. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:26, 28 June 2006 (UTC)
 * It's just that there aren't any white-armored ARCs roaming around, which makes me wonder if there was a separate ranking system for the ARCs that could be blue = standard and red = captain. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:15, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Fine, call them lieutenants then... After all, those Clone Wars Adventures do show clones that look like ARCs but with just plain white armor, and then there are those yellow ARCs that I thought (and still think) were commanders...Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 19:58, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait, are we calling the yellow-striped ARCs commanders? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:07, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yellow was the rank for commander, was it not? --SparqMan 20:25, 29 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes, but a few debated the existance of an "ARC trooper commander" a while back, even though there were a lot of yellow-striped ARCs in the Clone Wars Adventures. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 22:12, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Yellow striped ARC Commander pic
I noticed someone put a pic of a Yellow striped ARC Trooper on the article. I think if we're going to use a Yellow striped ARC in the article it shouldn't be of a repaint of an action figure. I think it should be of one of the comic book pics, if anything. At least it has a little more basis for it being somewhat "canon." Anyone else agree with this? Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 04:27, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I also thought about that. Could you upload the "ARCTrooperCommander.jpg" picture that's on this talk page so we can put it in the place of the current action figure picture? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:34, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Will do. Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 23:56, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I went ahead and added it to the same spot as the other pic. Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 00:00, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Excellent. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:12, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Helmet Rangefinder
I'm debating whether I should add a mention of the range finder mounted on ARC helmets - the periscope thingy that's also on the Mandalorian (Fett-style) armor. AFAICT, it's unique to the ARC troopers, but used by all of them, even the pilots. --Winchester 17:17, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Of course it should be added. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:15, 21 July 2006 (UTC)

ARC's during the Galactic Civil War
I was recently looking at the newest Star Wars Insider (The Rogues and Scoundrel's issue), at a local bookstore, and they had a short little article about some ARC's that became mercenaries and para-military body guards for high profile execs, after the Clone Wars. Some became instructor's at the Imperial Academy and some were offered retirement. I didn't buy it, because I already subscribe to the mag and I haven't gotten mine mailed to me from home yet. I was just wondering if someone who had it, would like to add that info into the article here, since it seemed pertinent to the article? If not, I'll just add it whenever mine comes in the mail in a couple weeks. Thanks. Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 02:34, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * The information's already on Alpha-66; I'll add what's needed here now. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 12:41, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Right on, dude. I didn't know we already had that on the site.  Pretty cool.  Sadriel Fett (Mando'a) 02:22, 5 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Yeah, User:Commander Jake beat me to adding Alpha-66's article. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 14:44, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Private

 * In clone wars, there was an ARC with no color. Could this be a private/standard? Or is it just a mistake?--1upD 18:32, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Notice that he does have some blue markings on him. Probably just a mistake. But in the Clone Wars Adventure comics, there are white-armored ARCs. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:25, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I noticed that(hoped you wouldn't). And yeah, that's what I was thinking. But the Clone Wars cartoon is more canon in my opinion. I do like the way the clone wars comics have a lot of ARCs. I've only read one. I can't find any good Star Wars comics!--1upD 23:38, 9 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Unfortunately, the canon scale isn't based off of opinions. If I'm not mistaken, the micro-series and comics are both on the same level of canon. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:19, 10 August 2006 (UTC)