Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Log/2007 December 15

des 16 01:04:52 	We can start by reviewing the articles currently on probation des 16 01:04:58 	The4dotelipsis, Darth_Culator des 16 01:05:03 	Yes? des 16 01:05:05 	What's this? des 16 01:05:09 	I'm working, damnit. des 16 01:05:09 	Inq meeting time. des 16 01:05:25 	Jaina Solo's here, too des 16 01:05:30 	Surprisingly des 16 01:05:42 *	You've invited JainaSolo to #wookieepedia-inquisitorius (clarke.freenode.net) des 16 01:05:43 	Uh, she's in here? des 16 01:05:55 *	Graestan looks around using his ghost detector des 16 01:05:59 	Yes. des 16 01:06:19 	Any minute now... des 16 01:06:26 *	JainaSolo (n=4571a92f@host112.toad-host.com) has joined #wookieepedia-inquisitorius des 16 01:06:33 	Sorry, btw, Imp; I really did think it was 000 UTC now; the last Inq meeting was at 000 UTC and it was 7pm here des 16 01:06:35 	Morning Jaina. des 16 01:06:39 	Hi JainaSolo des 16 01:06:42 	That's quite alright Grae. des 16 01:06:57 *	Graestan gives channel operator status to JainaSolo des 16 01:06:57 	Hello everybody des 16 01:07:13 <The4dotelipsis>	Hello. des 16 01:07:22 <Graestan>	Someone needs to put Jaina and me both on the ops list for the bot. des 16 01:08:05 <The4dotelipsis>	When hell freezes over! des 16 01:08:35 <JainaSolo>	Awww des 16 01:08:35 <Imperialles>	What articles did we review last time? des 16 01:08:41 <Graestan>	Or Culator wakes up; synonymous. des 16 01:09:19 <Graestan>	Death Star and Ulic des 16 01:09:40 <Imperialles>	Ulic. des 16 01:09:41 <Imperialles>	Right. des 16 01:09:49 <Graestan>	The Death Star was destroyed; Ulic's on probation. des 16 01:09:50 <Imperialles>	Greyman says he'll redo it once it's stripped. des 16 01:09:57 <Imperialles>	Ulic, that is. des 16 01:10:09 <Graestan>	Kill Ulic; it's good for our WookieeProject. des 16 01:10:17 <Imperialles>	In light of that, we should definitely axe Ulic. des 16 01:10:21 <Imperialles>	Anyone else? des 16 01:10:29 <The4dotelipsis>	Ulic? Destray. des 16 01:10:43 <Gonk>	You mean, give him a home? des 16 01:10:56 <Graestan>	lol des 16 01:10:56 <The4dotelipsis>	Yes. IN THE SIN BIN. des 16 01:11:50 <Graestan>	Is Ulic dead, then? des 16 01:11:57 <Imperialles>	6 voted to kill him des 16 01:12:02 <Imperialles>	Counting absentee votes des 16 01:12:05 <Imperialles>	We lack one vote. des 16 01:12:24 <Graestan>	(don't count my absentee votes along with my votes here!) des 16 01:12:34 <Graestan>	Weather threw RL a curve ball in return. des 16 01:12:35 <The4dotelipsis>	No, do let's! des 16 01:12:44 <Imperialles>	Why seven votes, by the way? We can barely sustain that number. des 16 01:12:48 <Imperialles>	I didn't, Grae. des 16 01:13:06 <Graestan>	Per Imp; seven can't even showup or bother to comment, why need seven? des 16 01:13:23 <Imperialles>	AFAIK, it was a number simply invented by Ataru des 16 01:13:29 <Graestan>	lol des 16 01:13:37 <Graestan>	Where's he, anyhow? des 16 01:13:49 <Imperialles>	He's supposed to be here. He isn't. des 16 01:13:56 *	Imperialles waves banhammer des 16 01:14:00 <The4dotelipsis>	7 is the magic number. des 16 01:14:01 <Imperialles>	Culator! Jaina! des 16 01:14:28 <Graestan>	Look at Ulic. Don't you want him to be rewritten by a pro like Greyman? des 16 01:14:28 *	Gonk hopes someone is logging des 16 01:14:28 *	Ping reply from Darth_Culator: 0.55 second(s) des 16 01:14:37 *	Graestan certainly isn't des 16 01:14:48 <Imperialles>	I'm always logging. des 16 01:14:55 <Gonk>	Good policy des 16 01:15:08 <Imperialles>	To gather evidence and slander to use against you all. des 16 01:15:12 <The4dotelipsis>	In time, we will de-forest Wookieepedia with our logging. des 16 01:15:15 <Graestan>	:DD des 16 01:15:22 <Graestan>	XD des 16 01:16:22 <JainaSolo>	Remove Ulic's FA status des 16 01:16:27 <Imperialles>	Thank you. des 16 01:16:31 <Imperialles>	Alright, he's dead. des 16 01:16:34 <Gonk>	8) des 16 01:16:34 <Imperialles>	Death Star. des 16 01:16:36 <Imperialles>	Atrocious. des 16 01:16:39 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. des 16 01:16:43 <Graestan>	Death Star was already removed, right? des 16 01:16:45 <Imperialles>	Remove. des 16 01:16:46 <Imperialles>	No. des 16 01:16:55 <Imperialles>	Apparently that's not how it works. des 16 01:16:55 <The4dotelipsis>	The author, whoever he was, said he'd update for Death Star as it came out. des 16 01:17:04 <The4dotelipsis>	Where's the beef? Not on the article, that's for sure. des 16 01:17:09 <Graestan>	Commence primary ignition. des 16 01:17:27 <The4dotelipsis>	Stand by. des 16 01:17:28 <Graestan>	That's a half-arsed article at best, anyhow. Remove. des 16 01:17:36 <The4dotelipsis>	It was pre-reform. des 16 01:17:42 <Graestan>	There you have it. des 16 01:18:02 <JainaSolo>	Remove des 16 01:18:03 <Graestan>	Death Star isn't on the ticket for this meeting, actually. des 16 01:18:10 <Imperialles>	Jesus. des 16 01:18:21 <The4dotelipsis>	Where? des 16 01:18:24 <Gonk>	We have a Jesus FA nom? des 16 01:18:26 <Imperialles>	You know what? This is ridiculous. des 16 01:18:31 <Imperialles>	So. des 16 01:18:35 <Graestan>	http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Meeting_Thirteen des 16 01:18:42 <Graestan>	SO? des 16 01:18:43 <Imperialles>	Should we change the required amount of votes to match the FAN page? des 16 01:18:45 <Graestan>	So*? des 16 01:18:51 <Imperialles>	Should we change it to *5*? des 16 01:18:56 <Imperialles>	I say aye. des 16 01:18:56 <Graestan>	I think so. des 16 01:19:30 <Gonk>	Aye say I. des 16 01:19:36 <Imperialles>	Dot? Jaina? des 16 01:19:47 <The4dotelipsis>	Eeh...if we must. des 16 01:19:49 <Graestan>	Aye, I say. des 16 01:20:00 <Imperialles>	Why the reluctance? des 16 01:20:06 <Graestan>	Dot> We never get more Inqs when we want them, and this is the unfortunate result. des 16 01:20:27 <Gonk>	I also propose that if we do get 2-3 more Inqs, we consider switching back to 7, for real this time des 16 01:20:28 <The4dotelipsis>	Well, it was created back in the day when we were all young, rearing to Inq, break hearts, and stab each other in the back. des 16 01:20:51 <The4dotelipsis>	Ah, yes, those were the days. Where you could rape a nun, and no one'd look at you funny. Where you could post on a talk page and get accosted for no reason. des 16 01:21:00 <Imperialles>	Yes. The Modernist era of Inqism. des 16 01:21:07 *	Gonk is now known as Gonk|Away des 16 01:21:10 <The4dotelipsis>	But then, maybe the good old days weren't always good. And tomorrow aint as bad as it se-ee-eems. des 16 01:21:10 <Graestan>	Especially if the new Inqs are Pasta Boy and the Tiger. des 16 01:21:27 <The4dotelipsis>	So, yeah, 5. Considering this Inquisitorial Dark Age. des 16 01:21:33 <Graestan>	per Fourdot. des 16 01:21:47 <Imperialles>	That makes it 5 for changing the rules. des 16 01:21:57 <Imperialles>	Which, in turn validates this vote. des 16 01:21:59 <Imperialles>	Hooray. des 16 01:22:02 <Imperialles>	Now, Death Star. des 16 01:22:11 <Imperialles>	5 votes to kill it... it's dead. des 16 01:22:12 <The4dotelipsis>	Dodonna it. des 16 01:22:13 <Imperialles>	Moving on. des 16 01:22:24 <Imperialles>	Reviewing Zekka Thyne. des 16 01:22:33 <Imperialles>	My only beef with this is the SWG stuff. des 16 01:22:41 <The4dotelipsis>	I say split it out. des 16 01:22:53 <Imperialles>	I can accept that course of action. des 16 01:22:59 <The4dotelipsis>	There's a precedent. des 16 01:23:02 <Graestan>	Split it. des 16 01:23:05 <Graestan>	Indeed. des 16 01:23:08 <Imperialles>	Chertyl Rulululuwor. des 16 01:23:29 <The4dotelipsis>	Instances in which we would merge it back: If another source referred to the Thyne we know and love doing the Galaxies stuff. des 16 01:23:58 <The4dotelipsis>	Like Tresina Lobi's odd bout of Chevinness. des 16 01:24:09 <Imperialles>	Counting the absentee votes, consensus points towards splitting. des 16 01:24:20 <Imperialles>	And so it was. des 16 01:24:27 <The4dotelipsis>	And harass Colin whatsisface. des 16 01:24:33 <Imperialles>	Yes. des 16 01:24:43 <The4dotelipsis>	He's so damn close to getting this thing through, and he's fought for it damnit. He deserves that much. des 16 01:24:51 <Imperialles>	Mr. Jar Jar Binks. des 16 01:25:05 <The4dotelipsis>	As the original writer, I say remove. It's no longer up to scratch. des 16 01:25:20 <The4dotelipsis>	I'll revisit it someday, just not someday soon. des 16 01:25:20 <Imperialles>	No offense intended, but this is not up to standards, Dot. des 16 01:25:26 <Imperialles>	At least not at the moment. des 16 01:25:35 <The4dotelipsis>	It was up to the old standards, sure, but we've moved on. des 16 01:25:40 <Imperialles>	Precisely. des 16 01:25:49 <Imperialles>	Greyman likes the article. des 16 01:25:54 <The4dotelipsis>	So, yeah, you'll get no opposition from me. des 16 01:26:00 <The4dotelipsis>	Well, all power to him. :S des 16 01:26:05 <Graestan>	I change my vote to Remove, weighting the author's vote. des 16 01:26:15 <The4dotelipsis>	Concern: With the new number of votes needed... des 16 01:26:16 <Imperialles>	Remove. des 16 01:26:20 <Imperialles>	Yes? des 16 01:26:22 <The4dotelipsis>	Does that affect the number of keep votes needed? des 16 01:26:28 <Imperialles>	Nah. des 16 01:26:34 <Imperialles>	Should it? des 16 01:26:43 <The4dotelipsis>	Dunno. des 16 01:26:54 <Imperialles>	2 is fine in my opinion. des 16 01:27:14 <Imperialles>	If we change it to 1, we could end up with individuals cockblocking consensus des 16 01:27:23 <The4dotelipsis>	That is true. des 16 01:27:33 <Imperialles>	2 means the opinion is at least shared by other users. des 16 01:28:03 <Imperialles>	Hmm, 2 absentee votes for probation des 16 01:28:13 <Imperialles>	I was under the impression that removal = probation des 16 01:28:28 <The4dotelipsis>	Yes. des 16 01:28:35 <The4dotelipsis>	2 weeks grace. des 16 01:28:45 <Imperialles>	Somehow this split into two meanings des 16 01:28:59 <The4dotelipsis>	Which this should have, I mean, I don't own the article. Someone else might want to fix it. des 16 01:29:01 <The4dotelipsis>	It did? des 16 01:29:11 <Graestan>	Yeah; the other one is "keep until the next meeting," which is the impression I got. des 16 01:29:13 <The4dotelipsis>	When I say Remove for an article without the 2 weeks grace, I mean 2 weeks grace. des 16 01:29:23 <The4dotelipsis>	We always give 2 weeks grace. That was our rule. des 16 01:29:37 <The4dotelipsis>	That was one of the founding principles. des 16 01:29:42 <Imperialles>	But, since that has no root in anything except misunderstanding, let's just state for the record that two sorts of votes are cast: keep and remove. des 16 01:30:07 <Imperialles>	Removal implies a probation period. des 16 01:30:20 <The4dotelipsis>	Yes. Good. des 16 01:30:48 <Imperialles>	Which means that Jar Jar is going to (hopefully) have a good two weeks. des 16 01:30:52 <Imperialles>	Most likely not, though. des 16 01:31:02 <Imperialles>	Jar Jar removed. des 16 01:31:03 <Graestan>	Ugh; no one told me I'd have to subscribe to /principles/ :P des 16 01:31:10 <Imperialles>	Anzat. des 16 01:31:11 <The4dotelipsis>	No, I'm more concerned with Anakin, personally. des 16 01:31:33 <The4dotelipsis>	Anzat's a bit of a puzzler. des 16 01:31:47 <Graestan>	Anzat just needs to be properly sourced. des 16 01:31:57 <Imperialles>	Not fully sourced, and lacking in content des 16 01:31:58 <The4dotelipsis>	And have that (easily accessed) info added. des 16 01:32:05 <The4dotelipsis>	Still, that's enough for probation, sadly. des 16 01:32:10 <Imperialles>	Still, it's work that has to be done des 16 01:32:11 <The4dotelipsis>	Roll it back on the queue, and Remove. des 16 01:32:18 <Graestan>	I agree. des 16 01:32:20 <Imperialles>	Which is why I cast my vote for removal. des 16 01:32:40 <The4dotelipsis>	If someone's got time, though, it should be an easy fix. des 16 01:32:41 <Imperialles>	Counting absentee votes, that means farewell to Anzat for now des 16 01:32:51 <Imperialles>	By the way, the rest of you may want to chime in des 16 01:33:12 <Imperialles>	We may end up removing articles that otherwise could have been kept des 16 01:33:21 <Imperialles>	But since you're intent on remaining silent, so be it des 16 01:33:48 *	Graestan thinks a lot of Inqs think 8pm Eastern is the meeting time des 16 01:33:51 <Imperialles>	Tunroth. des 16 01:34:17 <Imperialles>	Sourcing issues. des 16 01:34:24 <Graestan>	Same for Anzat. des 16 01:34:33 <Imperialles>	There's been some improvement apparently. des 16 01:34:37 <Imperialles>	But not enough. des 16 01:34:43 <Graestan>	No. des 16 01:34:47 <The4dotelipsis>	Apart from the sourcing, I'm not seeing any of the major issues raised. des 16 01:35:10 <Imperialles>	He fixed them. des 16 01:35:10 <The4dotelipsis>	Hmm. des 16 01:35:15 <Imperialles>	Eyrezer, that is. des 16 01:35:18 <Imperialles>	Still, sourcing. des 16 01:35:21 <Graestan>	The sourcing just isn't up to par/ des 16 01:35:22 <The4dotelipsis>	Still not good enough, though, but again, some quick fixes. des 16 01:35:48 <Imperialles>	Which just need to be done. des 16 01:35:50 <Graestan>	Well, he's welcome to catch them before the fortnight runs down. des 16 01:35:51 <Imperialles>	Until then, sorry. des 16 01:36:29 <Imperialles>	Counting absentee votes, Tunroth is put on probation. des 16 01:36:39 <Imperialles>	Drovian. des 16 01:36:48 <The4dotelipsis>	Keep. des 16 01:36:54 <Graestan>	Keep. des 16 01:37:09 <Imperialles>	My concerns have been addressed, keep. des 16 01:37:15 <Graestan>	I find the BtS to be rather meh, but adequate. des 16 01:37:20 <Imperialles>	Unanimous keep, then. des 16 01:37:38 <Imperialles>	Great Jedi Purge. des 16 01:37:53 <Graestan>	Ick. des 16 01:37:55 <Graestan>	Remove. des 16 01:37:57 <Imperialles>	Yeah. des 16 01:37:59 <Imperialles>	Remove. des 16 01:38:02 <Graestan>	I think it's a rather half-assed article. des 16 01:38:06 <The4dotelipsis>	I've been reading some Tales stuff that has info from the purge. des 16 01:38:08 <The4dotelipsis>	Also, lists. des 16 01:38:10 <The4dotelipsis>	Remove. des 16 01:38:33 <The4dotelipsis>	Also, it's illustrated poorly. des 16 01:38:39 <Graestan>	I highly doubt that all information from all sources has been at least cursorily represented. des 16 01:38:49 <Imperialles>	Counting absentee votes, that's a probation for the purge. des 16 01:38:54 <The4dotelipsis>	Also, on a side tangent, I'd like to just run a MOS suggestion I have by you all later, when we're done. des 16 01:39:00 <Imperialles>	Certainly. des 16 01:39:16 <Imperialles>	501st Legion. des 16 01:39:42 <Graestan>	Anyone know offhand if there is much to add from Legacy? des 16 01:39:52 <Imperialles>	Not I. des 16 01:40:06 <Imperialles>	They're involved in some major stuff in the series, though des 16 01:40:11 <The4dotelipsis>	Are they? des 16 01:40:14 <Imperialles>	I think Harkas and that gang are members des 16 01:40:19 <The4dotelipsis>	They are? des 16 01:40:22 <The4dotelipsis>	I didn't think so. des 16 01:40:23 <Graestan>	Yeah. des 16 01:40:39 <Imperialles>	Wait, no they're not. des 16 01:40:41 <The4dotelipsis>	No, 407th. des 16 01:40:46 <Graestan>	Really? des 16 01:40:50 <Graestan>	Oh, that's right. des 16 01:40:56 <The4dotelipsis>	I'm calling Keep on this one. des 16 01:41:09 <Imperialles>	Regardless, I think it's rather short. des 16 01:41:15 <Graestan>	I'd say keep, too. des 16 01:41:20 <Imperialles>	I'd say remove, but hey. des 16 01:41:21 <The4dotelipsis>	It's short because... des 16 01:41:27 <The4dotelipsis>	They're fairly new to canon. Kinda. des 16 01:41:32 <Imperialles>	Succinct author? des 16 01:41:36 <The4dotelipsis>	Although. des 16 01:41:37 <Imperialles>	Meh. des 16 01:41:45 <The4dotelipsis>	I do raise my eyebrow at the lists. des 16 01:41:48 <The4dotelipsis>	LET THAT BE KNOWN. des 16 01:42:02 <Graestan>	Last History heading is inaccurate. des 16 01:42:12 <Imperialles>	Lists are bad. I called that one a year and a half ago. des 16 01:42:21 <Imperialles>	But, hey. des 16 01:42:23 <Imperialles>	It's kept. des 16 01:42:42 <The4dotelipsis>	Lists aren't technically objectionable. des 16 01:42:44 <The4dotelipsis>	Sadly des 16 01:42:44 <Imperialles>	Kithe has been fixed, so I'll just vote to keep that. des 16 01:42:46 <Graestan>	Slap it back up next meeting, we'll see if things haven't improved... or gotten worse. des 16 01:42:54 <Imperialles>	I have objected to lists in the past des 16 01:42:59 <Imperialles>	It worked quite alright des 16 01:43:30 <Imperialles>	Joram Kithe. des 16 01:43:45 <Imperialles>	The only issue here I can spot is the lack of linked refs. des 16 01:43:48 <Imperialles>	So keep. des 16 01:43:57 <Graestan>	Oh, and the P&T is lazily sourced. des 16 01:44:15 <Imperialles>	Yes, we need to nag Havac about that. des 16 01:44:15 <The4dotelipsis>	Keep. des 16 01:44:30 <Imperialles>	'Tis kept. des 16 01:44:37 <Imperialles>	And that concludes the meeting.