Talk:Meetra Surik

Although I understand that this image of the Jedi Exile ws chosen because it is the promotional appearance. In the end I think the Jedi exile should be canonized as an androgynous mystery with appearance being blend of all possible faces from the game morph-melded into one, because it really disenfranchises players of the game to see this character that may have looked nothing like the one we might have played, replaced by this guy who likes like the archetypical white male. In fact He almost looks like a fascist. Also all pronouns should be replaced with the terms The Exile,Exile,or the Jedi Exile, this leaves it to remain an open question as to the exact nature of The Exile's gender. This I think keeps the force in balance as it leaves no room for the illusion of racial or gender superiority in human force sensitives. I say this because Much wieght in the game varies soley on the bases of gender. For this variation many actions and dialog differences there are. also the alignment path of the Exile was should be left to question, e.g. was the Exile striving to be a Jedi Consular, a Sith Assasin, or a force insensative altogether. Any story about the Jedi Exile should keep these ambiguities open this is my challenge to contributors of this Wiki. To me this also matters because The Exile is such a pivitol character in the galactic history of force almost as pivitol as Luke Skywalker is although in a much less celebrated role. I think The exile was in a position to initiate a new order of the force much like Luke Skywalker is abled to do in his own time! I say this because at the time the Exile came back to the force the other Jedi were dead or in no position to stop the the Exile's order! The Sith were scattered remnants or were destroyed trying to hunt the Exile. As I was playing I wound up with two apprentices under me (Visas and the Last of the Handmaidens) and I was still learning under Kreia. Admittedly I have yet to defeat the entire game dark, light or "gray" so obviously I don't know how this will turn out perhaps the two will try to kill each other, or even more likely one will abandon me as I commit to one side in an efort to enter the cave on Korriban or whatever, I've learned by constantly saving my game in different threads that it is generally unwise to have some members in your party at moments in the game that will cause you to commit acts that cause a major shift to the dark or light side of the force, as their principles are almost diametricaly opposite. I intend to use my influence upon them to errode thier principles to suit my purposes. perhaps in the end it should be said that this was the exiles ultimate fate, the informal initiation of a obscured or unofficial order of exiled jedi. That answer neither to the Sith or to the Jedi council, but have sank into obscurity or disappeared for their lack of force polarity. It should be during the time of the NEw order that they or their teachings are discovered again or revived..perhaps.
 * The only reason we here use masculine references is because it's much simpler. Having to say The Exile repeatedly can make sentances sound awkward. However, we include a disclaimer at the bottom, saying our only reason for using the male is because it's "Obsidian's" Exile (IE, the one they always use), which makes it a very handy reference point, otherwise making a picture or referring to the character is made that much more difficult. --Fade 15:11, 14 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * Anyway, is it the Exile? I always assumed it was a Dark Jedi or another minor Jedi character. The only purpose of having a canonical look of Revan and the Exile would be filling the summary, but I'm pretty happy with all characteristics being unknown. - Sikon 13:11, 29 Jun 2005 (UTC)

RE:I understand that it could be awkward but that is the challenge nonetheless. I think it will merely challenge authors to be more mindful of their writing..Leaving the character open could cause much potential for authors of the expanded universe, but at the same time it would be the single most controverial and unresolvable inconsistancy of the expanded universe the identity of the Jedi Exile yet still I don't see why it should be any other way..in the end it is Obsidians character (with permission of course from LucasArts to exist in the Star Wars Universe ) and not mine.

Kavar?
The "Jedi Exile" (canonical name unknown) was a Jedi Padawan, possibly being trained by Jedi Master Kavar <...>

Any source of this? - Sikon 14:11, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Fanon. --Imp 14:17, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)
 * Not Fanon, it says in-game the Kavar would have took the Exile as a padawan learner. Jasca Ducato 18:15, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Where exactly? - Sikon 17:01, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Usually i play the KotOR games as a Darkside character so i know its not canon, i can't remember if it happens as a Lightsider. But when on Onderon, if you choose to side with Vaklu Kavar attempts to answer your questions and says that, were it not for the demands of the Jedi Council, he would have taken the Exile as an apprentice. Jasca Ducato 18:08, 9 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * 'Would have' taken the Exile as an apprentice? Therefore, the Exile wasn't actually trained by Kavar, since the Council sent him to the Unknown Regions - Kwenn
 * But the Exile was intrested in by Kavar to be trained!
 * We don't know that, how do we know that they had Bear Clan's back in the Old Republic. For all we know Kavar did train the Exile as a Jedi Initiate but when he rose to the rank of Padawan he decided against having him as a full time student. Jasca Ducato 17:51, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * We don't know that Kavar trained the Exile. Unless you can specify the location of the sound file in the game directory, we have no evidence of him being the Exile's master. On Onderon Kavar says something along the lines of "An old student is returning. They won't know what hit them." I'm not sure if those are his exact words. I'll have to check again, but that is all of the information we're given within the game. Of course, I might have left out some diaglogue options and there might be a line where you learn that Kavar did train the Exile. Nevertheless this sole statement doesn't give us the right to make such an assumption. "An old student" might refer to the Exile's sojourn in the Academy. After all most of the padawans there would fit that description. I don't think it's an educated assumption to make.--86.131.247.176 18:52, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * "We don't know that, how do we know that they had Bear Clan's back in the Old Republic. For all we know Kavar did train the Exile as a Jedi Initiate". The Order may well have had Youngling clans back then, but there's no evidence for it, neither is there any proof to state Kavar trained Revan. The only Master we know he has is Kreia - Kwenn
 * My point exactly Kwenn. As for you 86.131. I'm not saying Kavar did train the Exile, all i'm saying is that it is a distinct possibility. Kavar may well have not have taught the Exile but he may well have as well. P.S. Where does Kavar teaching Revan come into the arguement. Jasca Ducato 08:13, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)

If female Exile is canoned...
Will this article start refering to her as the canon female, like the Revan article does with the canon male preferance? And what art work will be used in the photo?


 * Sure, why not. Jasca Ducato 18:16, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes it will (I'll take care of that :)). However, Obsidian's promotional picture will probably be left, as it's the only known image of the Exile. - Sikon 17:01, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I'm sure someone can donate a photo (or in our case, a screenshot) (maybe myself, if no one else wants to) of a possible female Exile, and then we can edit any other article that mentions the Jedi Exile accordingly. - DAWUSS 7:19 PM 30 Jan 2005
 * If the female gender is canonized, then I'd suggest using the female face that they show in the little booklet you get with the game. Whenever they show the user in example screenshots, the face is that of a blond woman.Cull Tremayne 02:28, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

Dark Side Female
If the true ending is Dark sided Female then the Exile will be traind by Darth Revan
 * It will be a Light Side ending whatever the gender. QuentinGeorge 06:03, 10 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Even better. It was Light side for the first so Revan will still train the Exile
 * There is no indication whatsoever that Exile was trained by Revan. First of all, (s)he couln't have been trained by Darth Revan, because Revan wasn't yet a Sith by the time of Exile's exilement. Yes, (s)he was a Padawan, and Revan and Malak were Knights by the time of the Mandalorian Wars, but it is unknown if Revan had an apprentice at all. By the way, I'm not so confident that the LS ending will be declared canon, but I think it most probably will be. - Sikon 06:28, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I agree with Sikon, we have no way of knowing which ending will be chosen as canon. Personally, i have come to beleive that nobody will always choose the same option when given a choice. So it is possible that the Exile could become a Darksider! Jasca Ducato 08:16, 11 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * I think the Exile is dark because The exile would give in to rage about being the last Jedi Master a Kill kreia in cold blood
 * I think Exile's lightside. Sure, the story between the Jedi Masters has more reason to it, but if you look at the fate of the planets, then I think lightside is the way to go. Besides, I'd rather see the Exile fall to the darkside in a sequel where she equips the Nihilus mask, almost similar to Anakin fully becoming Darth Vader with the armor and helmet. - DAWUSS 7:24, 30 Jan 2005
 * Edited the Jedi Exile article to make female references, though I still kept the LS ending DAWUSS 00:47, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Nothing official states the Exile to be female, so I reverted it back. And please don't upload new images over existing ones. - Lord Hydronium 00:59, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Marin Forak?
Where has this name come from? IF its not canon, i'mm going to remove it! Jasca Ducato 17:56, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Checked, it's not canon, so it's going! Jasca Ducato 17:57, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Picture
Where'd the picture go? Kuralyov 19:02, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)
 * Dunno, i couldn't get it back when i reverted the article. Jasca Ducato 19:10, 13 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Infobox
Should the name in the infobox be "Jedi Exile" or "Unknown"? Frankly, I'm quite tired of these edit wars. - Sikon [ Talk ] 06:25, 7 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Jedi Exile is the only name that we know off, so it should be kept that way until (if at all) a canon name is revealed. Jasca Ducato 19:51, 9 Nov 2005 (UTC)
 * Since we no longer consider him male, and don't know that much about the Exile, why don't we just ditch the infobox. -- SFH 05:47, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * A good idea, it just encourages fanon posters. - Sikon [ Talk ] 05:57, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Are we sure about this, wouldn't that just serve to "minimalize" him in some peoples eyes, if i didn't see an infobox i wouldn't consider him a major character in the Galactic History! Jasca Ducato 10:38, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Canonized Characters
I know that when it comes to Star Wars in particular, devoted fans want to have a sense of canonical or historical accuracy. But when it comes to the SW video-games, especially this one, having a canonical character and alignment is totally flawed and takes away from the fun of the game. The whole idea of an RPG like these new ones (eg, fable) is that the situations test how you deal with the other characters in the game. With that said, the character you play with should be as similar to YOU as possible. When you make a character that you identify with, one that shares your strengths and weaknesses, its more realistic because it tests how YOU would handle any given situation. If you're a female, you'll probably want to play as a female character, and likewise with male. When you do character generation, pick your strengths and weaknesses. Are you physically strong, or are you more reliant on skill/ intuition? Do you think you have willpower and discipline, or are you impulsive or impatient? Have fun with the game, is all I'm saying. Put yourself into the character, not somebody else.
 * Is that a wiki-related question? We simply mention what we're told. We know that KOTOR I has a canonical ending and KOTOR II doesn't, but one is considered, so this is what the wiki says. Blame (or praise) Lucas Licensing. In an RPG, you should have choice, true, but in an RPG that is a part of an official continuity, the player character is not really your character; this character belongs to the maintainers of the said continuity. Therefore, we have one ending that actually happened, and several alternate ones which fans can believe to be true "in their own personal Star Wars universe". Just as they can accept or reject other pieces of Star Wars continuity. - Sikon [ Talk ] 15:50, 14 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Adding Sith to infobox

 * Shouldn't Sith be added to the infobox, at least until the character has been canonized? I mean, we have no idea what actually happened, for all we know he/she became the next Dark Lord of the Sith. Jasca Ducato 18:35, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Actually, the light side ending is canonical. --Imp 18:37, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Source? Jasca Ducato 18:39, 15 February 2006 (UTC)
 * It isn't canonical, but accepted as a convention here. - Sikon [ Talk ] 02:01, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Err, so? This is an encyclopedia, wikipedia whatever you want to call it. Unless a canonicity has been stated it should be mentioned that he could have joined the Sith. Only when the Jedi Exile has been confirmed to follow the lightside will i relent. Jasca Ducato 09:07, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I agree. If Jaden Korr's article can't name a species, this one certainly shouldn't pick an ending. Unless, of course, it actually has been canonized and I'm just unaware of it. CooperTFN 09:10, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * While it doesn't specifically state it, the NEC strongly implies the light side ending. - Lord Hydronium 09:15, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Err, it would. I admit its normal for Leland Chee to choose the lightside endings over the darkside (*cry*) but he hasn't yet. Plus, the NEC "strongly implies" he remained on the light. It doesn't say he did. Jasca Ducato 09:19, 16 February 2006 (UTC)