Talk:Revan/Legends

Proposal for new Introduction
Hey guys, I spent a bit of time writing, and then a lot (read: stupid amount) of time tweaking, the following proposal for a new introduction to the article.

For your consideration:

Thoughts? I think that this one is better, as it's the more comprehensive and up to date of the two. Still, I'm obviously biased and not to be trusted ;) Uli Talk 03:19, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * P.S. It references the Odyssey engine, too. Just a little geeky aside. XD ( Uli Talk 03:20, September 8, 2009 (UTC))

So, it's been three days and I've seen no objections. I'm going to put it in. :)  Uli Talk 16:44, September 11, 2009 (UTC)
 * Very nice work, I'm all for it. I made a few minor spelling/format changes, I hope you don't mind. Xicer9 Atgar.svg( Combadge) 03:39, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
 * Thanks, for both your comment and the spelling corrections -- I don't mind at all, I'm just annoyed they slipped by me. ( Uli Talk 04:14, September 8, 2009 (UTC))
 * he killed a jedi with a purple lightsaber not mace windu but some one else andhten he kept the lightsaber and had 2 light saber.
 * No, he didn't. Please don't put speculation on the article's talk page.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 19:30, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Revan and Malak were turned to the Dark Side by the Sith Emperor
"Well, back before he was dark, Revan and Malak went out into space, and something bad happened, and they both turned. And they came back and declared themselves Sith and said there starting a new Sith empire, and they were supposed to, except Malak - as we know - betrayed Revan, and he took over. And he basically built his own Sith empire and started calling everything Sith. So we had Sith troopers, Sith ships, Sith peanutbutter, and Sith everything. But they weren't actually culturally Sith. They were all people who had come back with them, who were Republic people that had gone into deep space. So, what it turns out is, what they found in deep space that changed them and sent them back was the emperor. And... the emperor of the old Sith from the Hyperspace War that the jedi thought they had killed off. They were turned and they were sent back to supposedly be the vanguard for a Sith invasion. They did a very poor job of it because they're Sith. So they betrayed each other and tried to take over themselves and did not in fact make a great thing for the Empire. But the Empire shows up anyway, quite a few years later." This is all said by Daniel Erickson, Lead Writer at BioWare, here: http://gameinformer.com/games/star_wars_the_old_republic/m/star_wars_the_old_republic_media/108340.aspx - A revision of Revan's history seems to be in order. I've revised Revan's page accordingly. Jediphile 03:57, December 10, 2009 (UTC)
 * I'm glad that someone here is taking notice of these new developments. -MPK 01:40, December 12, 2009 (UTC)

Image
I've been thinking that since they chose a canon race gender and appearence for Jaden Korr then shouldn't they be able to choose a canon image of Revan from the faces that you're able to select from on the knights of the old republic game?

--Masterfred 16-- January 26,2010 8:55 AM
 * Yes, but you have to remember that the Character selection in KotOR presents more than one head and to plaster a single picture of one selected face would mean that that is the Canonical face of Revan which would lead to controversy. We'd have a lot of Messages saying "That's not Revan's face, this is." Because this is a game, and you choose the Avatar to represent Revan. So Revan appears differently to each person. (For me, Revan looks like the Short, Brown-Haired fair complexion head. Bottom Right in the collective photo) So,yes you can but many people would disagree.

Slave quarters in Daviks HQ
When you go to the slave quarters Canderous makes the comment " this is my kind of place" and the twi'lek slave says that she can give you a massage and that other people have been satisfied with her "services" and then you go into a different room and it fades to black. Does Revan have sex with the slave because they make it a more provocative dialouge for a simple massage. jedi_master425


 * To tell you the truth,I never really thought about it that way. But,although it seems a likely hint given the black fade out but in Biology, Sex can only occur through inter-breeding. Like Humans-Humans, Twi'Leks-Twi'Leks; so it seems highly unlikely. It could've happened but it doesn't feel or seem like that happened. And anyway, Bastila is Revan's main Squeeze right? :) "Masterfred 16" January 26,2010 9:00AM

Masterfred 16 is right, i read "Republic Commando:Order 66, and one of the characters said he had a Twi'lek girlfreind but couldnt have a child with her. He was a clone, but then again Darman had a baby with a jedi... Sev1665, february 27, 6:15 PM

Image
I would like to propose a new image for Revan's profile picture. The image title is DarthRevanRevanchist.jpg and I'll try to paste it here for everyone's viewing and approving/disapproving pleasure... 09:55, 29 December 2009


 * While that is certainly a lovely and dramatic shot, it's still unlicensed fan art. Per WP:FANON, it is unacceptable for any use on Wookieepedia (except as your own user image). I also expect the image to be deleted soon, since you didn't correctly source the image and you have also provided incorrect copyright information. You may have better luck getting this posted over at Star Wars Fanon Wikia, though you should probably review their policies first. SinisterSamurai 18:16, December 29, 2009 (UTC)

Sorry. I thought I put that I was the author of the photo. I took it in my photo studio.

I think this is for Revan to know and us to ponder, maybe the dark lord is leading us to his power from the grave???
 * Unfortunately, we still can not use fan art as an official depiction of a canonical character. You can still re-upload the image and use it on your user page per User image policy. Also, please sign your comments with four tilde's (~) .  OLIOSTER  (talk) Imperial Emblem.svg 03:12, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Revan's True first Jedi Master discrepancy
"As a Padawan, Revan was trained by Master Kae, before she was exiled."-Mical

According to Mical,Revan was Arren Kae's Padawan;but according to Kreia, she (kreia) was Revan's first master.

If both of them are telling the truth ,this doesn't make sense unless if Arren Kae and Kreia were in fact the same person, which hasnt been confirmed anywhere, and to Arren Kae and grandma Kreia be the same person, Kae would have to be just an alias,which is not possible.

this is confusing, yes I know that revan had many masters, but I am talking about his first master , and Kreia couldnt be Revan's first master if he was a padawan to Kae...

shouldn't this discrepancy be mentioned at those articles?

this is not speculation, everything I just wrote has sources (all of my arguments are derived from things said at TSL) and makes sense, but something has to be wrong,unless Kreia and Kae are indeed the same person .--Loub 19:42, January 17, 2010 (UTC)

I'd say those two statements are the strongest argument for Kreia and Arren Kae being the same person. 24.68.45.165 08:51, January 22, 2010 (UTC)

Which then places her on Coruscant but that would mean that she wasn't Revan's first master. Also Mical said that Revan returned to his first Master to learn how to leave the order completely. This doesn't sound anything like something you would here from Arren Kae. So the Arren Kae was Revan's First Master Theory is a big NO.
 * All of these questions are up to speculation and all but we can piece together possible facts that we already have to determine an outcome: It was stated that Revan's primary training occurred on Dantooine in the Jedi Enclave. Well I went to view the Article about the Jedi Enclave on Dantooine and it mentions neither Arren Kae nor Kreia. Although their is a picture of a female Jedi here:http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/File:Jediassembly.JPG but it is highly unlikely this is Arren Kae because Briana is Arren Kae's Daughter. And Echani Women are only said to have had White hair.

Which brings us to our next and somewhat likely theory: That Kreia and Arren Kae are the same person. In my opinion, it appears that it is possible. I mean, let's look at the facts: Arren Kae believed to be Revan's First Master, Kreia claims to be Revan's Primary teacher. Arren Kae was banished by the Jedi Order because of her actions, Kreia was banned from the Jedi Order because of the council believed it was because of her that Revan fell. Also, Echani Women, like Briana are said to have only White hair, Kreia has White hair. But there are also some conflicting facts: Like Arren Kae marching to war with Revan. Kreia never took part in the Mandalorian Wars, instead she went to search for what made Revan "turn" to the Dark Side. Also Arren Kae was presumed dead but Kreia lived on past the battle of Malachor V. It is possible that to hide her Identity she faked her own death and branded herself a new name. Even Atris said, "Kreia? That is not her name." so it is possible that Arren Kae and Kreia are one person.

Phew, that was a long explanation but anyway for me, I'd say Arren Kae is Kreia but we have to just wait and see. (If it is so, then I like Kreia Ten Times more as a Character. "Masterfred 16 January 26, 2010 8:36 AM"


 * I haven't played TSL in a while but if the first statement you quoted from Mical is word for word, then couldn't he have meant that Arren Kae was not necessarily his first master but rather just one of his masters? Also doesn't the KotOR games establish that during that time in the Jedi order, the name Padawan was a rank rather then the name for a learner? I'm just thinking out loud, but Mical's statement could have meant that during his time as a Padawan(first rank of the Order) his Master was Arren Kae. I mean wasn't Obi-wan still Anikan's Master even in Revenge of the Sith when Anikan's a Knight? (Not sure on that point) I do find the argument you've made about Kriea very interesting. It would certainly open up a whole new sup-plot in the saga for her. Skaughtey 21:56, February 1, 2010 (UTC)

remember, a Padawan's master is not necessarily their first, as Younglings are taught by Jedi masters, who may be considered their master, Obi-Wan Kenobi, in episode 5, said that Yoda was the Jedi who trained him, due to the fact that episode 1 revealed Qui-gon as being his master while he was a Padawan, and knowing that he did not train under any other Jedi after reaching knighthood, this could show that Yoda was his master before he was a Padawan, this proves that a Padawan's jedi master is not necessarily their first.

What is canon
Why is it more canon for Revan to be male rather than female??? Revan's outfits are DRESSES!!! For both dark and lights side!!! Can someone explain that for me? I'm lost! Thanks! Zynquinthia 01:11, January 19, 2010 (UTC)
 * In the infobox, you'll notice that there are three separate references for Revan being male. Grand Moff Tranner Imperial Department of Military Research.svg (Comlink) 01:14, January 19, 2010 (UTC)


 * In retrospect, Revan's vestments are not considered to be of feminine design at all. They are based on the Hakama which is a type of man skirt used by Kendo practitioners and students. Also to further justify, Revan's chest armor is also based off of the "Do" a vestment used for the same purpose. His robes also kind of show signs of Egyptian decent, like the Sash and armbands. Just to clear things up.  Just view this for a pic:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Kendo_uniform_parts.png and this for the main article:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kendo "Masterfred 16" JANUARY 26, 2010 6:14 AM (UTC)

Considering that Bastila Shan appears to know much about him, and is chosen to lead a strike team to capture him, Bastila is a possibility. However, in TSL, I have recieved hints from Kreia/Darth Traya that SHE was at least part of Revan's dark side training.

Where did Revan's Jedi Training Begin?
Masterfred 16 11:48, January 28, 2010 (UTC)
 * We all know that Revan Trained under both Kreia and Zhar Lestin for some time. But it's hard to tell where he trained first. Zhar, at the time of the Mandalorian Wars, was said to have been on Coruscant, but wasn't Kreia on Dantooine at the time? If she was, it states that Alek Squinquargesismus' (AKA:Malak) first Master was Zhar Lestin. Wouldn't that mean that their training began on Coruscant and not Dantooine? I'm confused.

Revan's Name
In the Name section of the Revan article, it talks about how Revan's name may not be his real one. Well, in the second volume of KotOR comic series, in the story Homecoming, the Jedi Covenant member, Feln says that Revanchism was the term used to describe reclaiming ground lost in war. Well, I haven't read all the series, but if Revan never said that his name was Revan until he donned the Mandolorian mask, then wouldn't that prove that Revan was not his original name, and that he first used it at that time? Skaughtey 21:38, February 1, 2010 (UTC)


 * It's more than Likely that "Revan" was derived from his Republic title "Revanchist" and decided to shorten it to Revan after donning the mask. So it is possible that Revan, Revanchist, and Darth Revan are only Monikers of Revan's true identity
 * "Masterfred 16" February 8, 2012 (UTC)

Recent issue of the SWTOR webcomic
Please don't go adding that Satele Shan is a descendant of Revan. If you read the issue, you'll find that even the Sith aren't sure whether she's a descendant or not.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 15:58, February 12, 2010 (UTC) Maybe Revan isn't his real name, but in the words of the jedi knight Nemo, names hold almost no importance. On that note, why waste brainpower on a minor aspect of character we all love???
 * Wouldn't the sith belief that Revan has a descendant be part of his Legacy? --Bron Hañda 22:36, February 12, 2010 (UTC)

Personality Section

 * First of all, if this has been submitted before, I'm sorry. I think there should be a personality section to Revan's page. We know what he was like before the Mandalorian Wars, during his reign as the Dark Lord, and that he stuck to the light side after his memory-wipe. Also, the Jedi Exile has a personality section on her page, so why shouldn't Revan?

Satele Shan connection
As i'm sure you know by now T.O.R website has released a Aurebesh saying that she is a descendant of Bastila and that "Blood of Revan" and "Secret son" are mentioned. Does this make her part of Revans line or no? Just express your opinions in a short way below this just a sentence or yes or no hoping for replays. Mr. Inhibitor 21:11, April 6, 2010 (UTC)
 * If you have read the talk subject "Recent issue of the SWTOR webcomic" (http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Revan#Recent_issue_of_the_SWTOR_webcomic), then you should see that even the sith aren't sure if Satele is part of Revan's line. Therefore the answer is yes and no. Yes because of the Aurebesh saying and no because of what the sith say.
 * Read http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Satele_Shan for more discussion on the topic.
 * The quote "Blood of Revan" is there without any context, so it could mean anything and is no confirmation. Gulomi Jomesh 22:46, April 6, 2010 (UTC)

Revan in Ovair family line?
I realize this is all speculation, but could Revan be related to Barel Ovair? The fact that the next Galactic Timelime is The Jedi Civil War seems a little bit too convenient for this not to be a possibility. Gnost Dural mentioned that he will speak more on "acts of dark subterfuge that Ovair and his family were involved in." I do doubt that Revan is Barel's grandfather even (too long before Barel Ovair: I mean, there's a 200-year difference between the two!), but perhaps he created a line of Sith Infiltrators while "looking for the True Sith."
 * Absolutely no reason to assume that, at all. --Imperialles 18:03, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

About my last edit
A user added a line to this article; "and the most powerful force user ever", which is a speculation gone wild. No source says that anyone is the most powerful, just that they are powerful. Dot. Gratulor - User Page 14:00, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

"Possible Revan" should be deleted
I'm referring to the "possible Revan from a TV commercial". It's obviously not Revan, it doesn't even match up with any of the faces featured in the game.--Darth Dan 012 14:38, May 28, 2010 (UTC)

Canon story
Does anybody know for sure what the real canon story for Revan is? I know that canonically he's a man, and that he was once a Sith. Can anyone here give me a hand with getting this right? All I really need to know is what the canon ending is(whether he became redeemed, and followed the ways of the Force, or if he fell to the Dark Side), and what happened to his companions. I don't mean what happened in your versions of the game, because they are as numerous as the stars, I just mean the purely canon version. This information will greatly aid in the creation of a possible book series based around the storyline and afterward as well. Besides, It would also be for the betterment of the Star Wars universe in general if we knew for certain... Thanks! The Master of Revan&#39;s Power 17:41, June 5, 2010 (UTC)
 * As you can see in the article, the canon ending is the light side ending, where the Republic fleet destroys the Star Forge. This has been stated in numberous sorces, including the frist Darth Bane novel. Gulomi Jomesh 09:38, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

CaDarth Revan face revealed ?
Maxattac 14:54, June 11, 2010 (UTC)

i hope so, that was always my favourite of the selection, and seemed the most jedi-like