Wookieepedia:Inquisitorius/Log/2018 October 20

[18:00:55]  WELCOME TO INQMOOT 96 [18:02:07]  alright then [18:02:13]  Let's go [18:02:20]  https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Zygerrian/Legends [18:02:29]  https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Zygerrian/Legends [18:02:30]  sigh [18:02:59]  Is this the one where he's trying to Redux his own article but we tried probing it first? [18:03:09] Yeah [18:03:24]  Ok, let's oblige [18:03:25]  Redux [18:03:28] Redux [18:03:34]  Redux [18:03:52]  SE is hereby counted with all my votes [18:03:58]  Zygerrian/Legends Reduxed [18:04:04]  https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Corla_Metonae/Legends [18:04:12]  https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Corla_Metonae/Legends [18:04:18]  No change [18:04:21] Kill [18:04:23]  imp ecks kill [18:04:26] <Toprawa> Kill [18:04:29] <Toprawa> Corla Metonae/Legends killed [18:04:35] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Flashpoint_(planet) [18:04:40] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Flashpoint_(planet) [18:04:47] <Toprawa> No change [18:04:56] <Imperators> imp astro kill [18:04:58] <Imperators> ecks kill [18:05:01] <Toprawa> Kill [18:05:05] Kill [18:05:12] <Toprawa> Flashpoint (planet) killed [18:05:19] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Slick [18:05:26] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Slick_(second_review) [18:05:30] <Toprawa> sigh [18:05:43] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Slick?action=history [18:05:52] <Toprawa> I propose we Redux this [18:06:01] <Toprawa> That's some fairly major expansion [18:06:26] <Imperators> yeah, Redux [18:06:37] Redux [18:06:49] <Toprawa> Slick Reduxed [18:06:51] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Halmere [18:06:55] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Halmere [18:07:01] <Toprawa> No change [18:07:04] <Imperators> imp ecks kill [18:07:05] Kill [18:07:11] <Toprawa> Kill [18:07:14] <Toprawa> Halmere killed [18:07:15] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dulok/Legends [18:07:21] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Dulok/Legends [18:07:38] <Toprawa> sigh [18:08:21] <Imperators> wait till the next AC meeting, Tope :P [18:08:30] I've got more things to fix. [18:08:47] Multiple paragraphs are too long. [18:08:53] <Toprawa> I have some more too [18:08:54] The BTS needs subsectioning. [18:08:59] <Toprawa> BTS needs subsectioning [18:09:04] <Imperators> DUPLICATE LINKS [18:09:07] <Toprawa> Might as well throw some quotes or images in there too if available [18:09:19] <Toprawa> Use Template:Shortstory for short stories in Appearances and referencing [18:09:38] <Imperators> please let's agree to never again do columned reference lists [18:10:04] <Toprawa> Mofference item [18:10:16] <Toprawa> All the comic images should be digitized [18:10:48] * Imperators (~Imperator@wookieepedia/administrator/Imperators) has left ("Leaving") [18:10:53] <Toprawa> Align images correctly within subsections [18:11:08] <Toprawa> There's no reason why a tiny image should be next to the Quote like in "Status" [18:11:23] <Toprawa> Look into enlarging images too now that we're living in the Oasis universe [18:11:24] There are some hyperspace references with two sets of quotes around them. [18:11:25] * Imperators (~Imperator@wookieepedia/administrator/Imperators) has joined [18:11:25] * ChanServ gives channel operator status to Imperators [18:11:27] <Imperators> sorry [18:11:40] <Imperators> kill page numbers, since there are some references that don't use them [18:11:57] <Toprawa> I [18:12:15] <Toprawa> I'm going to reiterate this point, which I tried bringing up either last Inqmoot or last AC meeting [18:12:28] <Toprawa> We have no policy for page number sourcing, so it's not fair to require one style over another [18:12:57] <Imperators> but I think it is fair to require consistently either using or not using them. [18:12:58] <Toprawa> That being said, please propose one at the Mofference, because it annoys me equally [18:13:28] <Imperators> for example, refs 139, 140, and 141 for some reason don't use them [18:13:34] <Toprawa> If you want to include it within the probation reasons as something that we recommend, fine [18:13:43] <Toprawa> But it's not something we can independently probe or kill an article on [18:14:00] <Toprawa> But we've already spent too much time on this one [18:14:03] <Imperators> (I hope we're still talking Dulok :P ) [18:14:03] <Toprawa> Extend [18:14:06] <Imperators> Extend [18:14:08] Extend [18:14:12] <Toprawa> Dulok extended [18:14:16] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Crev_Bombaasa/Legends [18:14:22] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Crev_Bombaasa/Legends [18:14:28] <Toprawa> No change [18:14:30] Kill [18:14:33] <Toprawa> Kill [18:14:43] <Imperators> imp ecks kill [18:14:44] <Toprawa> Crev Bombaasa/Legends killed [18:14:47] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Attack_on_an_Imperial_convoy [18:16:17] <Toprawa> I really wish people would stop using first-person pronouns in formal writing [18:16:27] <Imperators> well, the ref notes need to be fully linked [18:17:14] <Toprawa> This is just rather poorly written [18:17:15] <Toprawa> "The events of this article were depicted in the Star Wars Rebels episode "Out of Darkness," which takes place between the episodes Star Wars Rebels: Spark of Rebellion and "Empire Day". Star Wars: Galactic Atlas dates the events of Spark of Rebellion to 5 BBY. "Empire Day" marks the fifteenth anniversary of the rise of the Galactic Empire, which Galactic Atlas dates to 19 BBY, which as a result places the events of [18:17:18] <Toprawa> Empire Day in 4 BBY. Knowing those two dates, we can place the events of "Out of Darkness" in 5 BBY." [18:17:21] <Toprawa> Aside from the first-person pronoun [18:17:31] <Toprawa> Consecutive "which" clauses within the same sentence? [18:17:32] <Toprawa> Not good [18:17:45] <Imperators> agreed [18:18:30] <Imperators> the Aftermath paragraphs look a bit too long [18:18:39] <Imperators> for Oasis [18:18:57] <Imperators> extend [18:19:14] <Toprawa> sigh [18:19:15] <Toprawa> Extend [18:19:18] Extend [18:19:33] <Toprawa> Attack on an Imperial convoy extended [18:19:42] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Attack_on_Imperial_Troop_Transports [18:19:49] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Attack_on_Imperial_Troop_Transports [18:20:23] <Toprawa> Same deal with this ref note [18:20:43] <Imperators> duplicate links [18:20:53] <Imperators> plus Aftermath has a one-sentence paragraph tacked on [18:21:40] <Imperators> since BTS has release years for the movies, I'd like to see years for the episodes, as well [18:22:37] <Toprawa> Oh, great point [18:22:48] <Imperators> wait, why is last paragraph of BTS talking about behind-the-scenes details pertinent to the episode instead of the event described in the article? [18:22:48] <Toprawa> I want to add that as an objection to Attack on an Imperial convoy too [18:23:04] <Toprawa> Episodes should specify full air date and network it aired on [18:23:12] <Toprawa> That's become SOP for TCW articles [18:23:29] Reference 10 is stupid. [18:23:45] <Imperators> ^ [18:24:33] <Imperators> extend [18:25:17] <Imperators> Tope, come back :P [18:25:22] Extend [18:25:31] <Toprawa> I've been looking for a better way to cite ref 10 actually [18:25:33] <Toprawa> But I don't see one [18:25:49] <Toprawa> There's an Amazon product page, but it doesn't specify India or anything [18:26:12] <Toprawa> Extend [18:26:12] Well, I just meant something better than See image [18:26:16] <Imperators> how about you start by referencing it to the actual book page [18:26:20] <Toprawa> Attack on Imperial Troop Transports [18:26:24] <Toprawa> Yeah, I agree [18:26:36] <Toprawa> I want to make another objection for Attack on an Imperial convoy [18:26:55] <Toprawa> Move the article to "Attack on Imperial convoy" or "Imperial convoy attack" [18:26:59] <Toprawa> We don't need "an" in there [18:27:21] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Duel_on_Stygeon_Prime [18:27:29] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Duel_on_Stygeon_Prime [18:27:42] <Toprawa> Oh, this is an FA [18:27:43] <Toprawa> wtf [18:27:58] <Toprawa> So is the next one [18:28:06] <Toprawa> And the next one [18:28:07] <Imperators> this is an Inq meeting [18:28:12] <Toprawa> Damnit [18:28:16] <Toprawa> I'm getting articles and meetings mixed up [18:28:24] <Toprawa> Fuck these stupid Rebels articles [18:28:33] <Toprawa> We're on Duel [18:28:34] <Toprawa> No change [18:28:39] <Imperators> imp ecks kill [18:28:44] Kill [18:28:45] <Toprawa> Kill [18:28:51] <Toprawa> Duel on Stygeon Prime killed [18:28:57] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Heist_in_Capital_City [18:29:04] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Heist_in_Capital_City [18:29:18] <Imperators> can the release date be dated to the actual film? probably not [18:29:27] Missing backup links [18:30:05] <Imperators> image caption punctuation, FWIW [18:30:35] <Imperators> second BTS sentence is irrelevant and should be cut [18:30:48] <Toprawa> I want a channel name in the BTS [18:30:51] <Toprawa> for the premiere [18:30:55] <Toprawa> Extend [18:31:09] <Imperators> extend [18:31:09] Extend [18:31:12] <Toprawa> Heist in Capital City extended [18:31:16] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mission_to_free_Wookiee_prisoners [18:31:22] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Mission_to_free_Wookiee_prisoners [18:31:40] <Toprawa> Don't actually tell us you made changes on the review page or anything [18:31:54] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mission_to_free_Wookiee_prisoners?action=history [18:32:11] <Imperators> ref 3 should be reworded like Anil has been doing it on other Rebels status articles [18:32:24] <Toprawa> Yeah [18:32:25] Missing backup links [18:32:27] <Toprawa> His ref notes aren't good [18:32:36] <Toprawa> Extend [18:32:37] <Imperators> dates, channel in BTS [18:32:42] <Imperators> cut the adaptation stuff from BTS [18:32:45] <Imperators> extend [18:33:02] Extend [18:33:05] <Toprawa> Mission to free Wookiee prisoners extended [18:33:12] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wraith_Squadron [18:33:17] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Inq/Wraith_Squadron_(second_review) [18:33:28] <Toprawa> It appears QGJ just fixed that one [18:33:31] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wraith_Squadron?action=history [18:33:55] <Toprawa> Kill [18:34:03] <Imperators> imp ecks kill [18:34:18] Kill [18:35:00] <Toprawa> Wraith Squadron killed [18:35:07] <Toprawa> Ugh [18:35:12] <Toprawa> That was more difficult than it should have been [18:35:19] <Toprawa> I need like a minute to decompress [18:35:58] <Toprawa> Ok [18:36:00] <Toprawa> Moving on to new articles [18:36:05] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cornelius_Evazan [18:36:08] <Imperators> at least this will be easy probes :P [18:36:12] <Toprawa> Cornelius Evazan — Has overall undergone a fairly significant expansion since first passing FA status. I propose we sent it to Redux. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 17:20, October 9, 2018 (UTC) [18:36:15] <Toprawa> Yes :P [18:36:19] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cornelius_Evazan?action=history [18:36:31] <Imperators> Redux [18:36:35] <Toprawa> Redux [18:36:39] Redux [18:36:41] <Imperators> send it to Redux and keep it there [18:36:43] <Toprawa> Cornelius Evazan Reduxed [18:36:50] <Toprawa> AV wasn't supposed to get unbanned :P [18:36:59] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Darth_Caedus [18:37:07] <Toprawa> Redlink(s) [18:37:07] <Toprawa> Inaccurate BBY/ABY date referencing [18:37:07] <Toprawa> Missing punctuation, at least in "Family life" section. [18:37:07] <Toprawa> (Redirects) [18:37:07] <Toprawa> Missing backup links [18:37:08] <Toprawa> P&T has an expansion tag (?) [18:37:11] <Toprawa> Infobox dating violates Wookieepedia:Layout_Guide#Infobox [18:37:13] <Toprawa> Infobox-exclusive info [18:37:15] <Toprawa> WAAAAAYYYY too long sections, including BTS. [18:37:17] <Toprawa> Way too few images for the Oasis skin. I don't believe that more can't be added. [18:37:19] <Toprawa> References need to implement citation templates. [18:37:21] <Toprawa> Comic issues need to be specified instead of whole arcs/series. Imperators II(Talk) 17:35, October 9, 2018 [18:37:24] <Toprawa> Probe [18:37:28] Probe [18:37:31] <Imperators> yes, probe [18:37:32] <Toprawa> This is the end for you, Jacen [18:37:35] <Imperators> ecks probe [18:37:41] <Toprawa> Darth Caedus probed [18:37:53] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Great_Manifest_Period [18:37:59] <Toprawa> This caption needs to be restored. [18:37:59] <Toprawa> Redlinks [18:37:59] <Toprawa> (Redirect) [18:37:59] <Toprawa> Triple references, for example, in the infobox? No thanks, make a single reference note if you have to. [18:37:59] <Toprawa> No images? Really? [18:38:00] <Toprawa> "Death in the Slave Pits of Lorrd" in Sources and referencing needs to utilize the appropriate citation template. [18:38:03] <Toprawa> While we're at it, no italics within double quotes, please. [18:38:05] <Toprawa> BTS is too much of a regurgitation of the Sources section. Imperators II(Talk) 17:45, October 9, 2018 [18:38:08] <Toprawa> See meeting page for all links in probation items [18:38:12] <Toprawa> Probe [18:38:16] Probe [18:38:19] <Imperators> imp ecks probe [18:38:22] <Toprawa> Great Manifest Period probed [18:38:29] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wee_Dunn/Legends [18:38:34] <Toprawa> Wee Dunn/Legends — Birth date referencing in infobox is inaccurate. Imperators II(Talk) 17:50, October 9, 2018 (UTC) [18:38:44] <Imperators> redirects, missing backup links [18:38:54] <Toprawa> BTS unsourced [18:39:03] <Toprawa> Could use more images probably [18:39:05] <Toprawa> Probe [18:39:07] <Imperators> image formatting (placement, Oasis thumbnail size) [18:39:12] <Imperators> imp ecks probe [18:39:16] Probe [18:39:20] <Toprawa> Wee Dunn/Legends probed [18:39:24] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Garris_Shrike [18:39:30] <Toprawa> Bare URLs in references? Bad. [18:39:31] <Toprawa> Missing backup links. [18:39:31] <Toprawa> These edits have introduced some low-quality writing. [18:39:31] <Toprawa> Obsolete BBY date referencing. [18:39:31] <Toprawa> Infobox-exclusive info [18:39:31] <Toprawa> Incorrect quote template usage. [18:39:33] <Toprawa> Image caption punctuation. [18:39:35] <Toprawa> Further subsectioning and images needed. [18:39:37] <Toprawa> A publishing year for The Paradise Snare would be nice. Imperators II(Talk) 18:07, October 9, 2018 (UTC) [18:39:43] <Toprawa> See meeting page for all "Bad" boldening [18:39:54] <Toprawa> Paradise Snare can't be used a reference for 10 BBY [18:40:05] <Toprawa> Probe [18:40:11] Probe [18:40:13] <Toprawa> Oh, you got it in there [18:40:13] <Toprawa> Sorry [18:40:16] <Imperators> imp ecks probe, sorry for the boldening :P [18:40:23] <Toprawa> Garris Shrike probed [18:40:34] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Form_IV/Legends [18:40:38] <Toprawa> Form IV/Legends — unsourced infobox item. Imperators II(Talk) 18:10, October 9, 2018 (UTC) [18:40:51] <Imperators> duplicate and redirecting links [18:40:53] <Toprawa> BTS unsourced [18:40:56] <Imperators> BTS is a bit of a mess [18:41:03] <Toprawa> Yes [18:41:05] <Imperators> backup links [18:41:24] Redirect(s) [18:41:27] <Toprawa> Use Shortstory template for quotation items in Appearances/references [18:41:30] <Imperators> scroll box for Appearances, separate subsection for noncanon stuff [18:41:38] <Toprawa> Databank entries are Last name, First name [18:41:47] <Toprawa> lolz those URL refs [18:41:49] Citation templates needed [18:41:51] <Toprawa> Try again [18:41:55] <Imperators> release years in BTS [18:42:00] <Imperators> imp ecks probe [18:42:28] <Imperators> let's just hope those were added post-status :P [18:42:33] <Toprawa> Probe [18:42:40] Probe [18:42:42] <Toprawa> Form IV/Legends probed [18:42:50] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Wars:_Tales_of_the_Jedi [18:42:59] <Toprawa> The infobox template now has the |start date= and |end date= fields which need to be filled in. [18:42:59] <Toprawa> Missing backup links [18:42:59] <Toprawa> References need to implement appropriate citation templates [18:42:59] <Toprawa> Unsourced paragraphs [18:42:59] <Toprawa> Redlinks. [18:43:00] <Toprawa> Referencing for IU dates in infobox doesn't work like that. Imperators II(Talk) 20:20, October 9, 2018 (UTC) [18:43:28] <Toprawa> None of the BBY dates in the article body appear to have proper referencing [18:43:32] <Toprawa> They can't be sourced just to the comic issues [18:43:39] Massive paragraphs [18:43:41] <Toprawa> Digitize all comic images [18:44:00] <Imperators> imp ecks probe [18:44:05] <Toprawa> Last name, First name formatting for SW.com Databank entries [18:44:06] <Toprawa> Probe [18:44:10] <Imperators> we're bleeding OOU articles [18:44:19] Probe [18:44:21] <Toprawa> Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi probed [18:44:30] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/CC-1004/Legends [18:44:38] <Toprawa> CC-1004/Legends [18:44:38] <Toprawa> What has this quote got to do in BTS? [18:44:38] <Toprawa> Inaccurate BBY date referencing. [18:44:38] <Toprawa> Infobox-exclusive info. [18:44:38] <Toprawa> BTS is somewhat messy and unreferenced. [18:44:41] <Toprawa> Non-canon appearances and sources need to go under separate subsections. Imperators II(Talk) 20:32, October 9, 2018 (UTC) [18:44:56] <Toprawa> Probe [18:45:05] <Imperators> imp ecks probe (I'm doing paperwork :P ) [18:45:07] Probe [18:45:08] <Toprawa> CC-1004/Legends probed [18:45:14] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Viqi_Shesh [18:45:20] <Toprawa> Viqi Shesh [18:45:20] <Toprawa> Update tag [18:45:20] <Toprawa> Redlinks [18:45:21] <Toprawa> Duplicate links [18:45:23] <Toprawa> Gigantic sections need to be split up [18:45:25] <Toprawa> More images needed [18:45:27] <Toprawa> Bts not sourced [18:45:29] <Toprawa> ABY dates sourced directly to NJO novels [18:45:31] <Toprawa> Unsourced paragraphs within the article body [18:45:33] <Toprawa> Intro could use some trimming, IMO [18:45:35] <Toprawa> I feel like some of the information from the P&T can be arranged into "Skills and abilities" and/or "Equipment" sections. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 06:34, October 10, 2018 (UTC) [18:45:38] <Toprawa> Probe [18:45:40] <Imperators> imp ecks probe [18:45:43] Probe [18:45:44] <Toprawa> Viqi Shesh probed [18:45:50] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Saelt-Marae/Legends [18:45:55] <Toprawa> Saelt-Marae/Legends [18:45:55] <Toprawa> Infobox-exclusive information [18:45:55] <Toprawa> 1 ABY is mentioned in the intro but not in the body [18:45:55] <Toprawa> None of the 4 ABY mentions in the body are properly referenced [18:45:55] <Toprawa> Missing backup links [18:45:56] <Toprawa> Reference 11 requires Citeweb. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:31, October 10, 2018 (UTC) [18:45:59] <Toprawa> Probe [18:46:02] Probe [18:46:08] <Imperators> imp ecks probe [18:46:22] <Toprawa> Saelt/Marae/Legends probed [18:46:29] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Myo/Legends [18:46:35] <Toprawa> Myo/Legends [18:46:35] <Toprawa> Infobox-exclusive information [18:46:35] <Toprawa> Fairly certain the 1 BBY date needs a reference [18:46:35] <Toprawa> Another image for the first subsection of the Bio would be nice [18:46:35] <Toprawa> "Nightlily" needs to be in Shortstory template. [18:46:36] <Toprawa> Why are the "Nightlily" short story and audio drama not next to each other in the Appearances? [18:46:40] <Toprawa> Reference 1 needs to use Fact File template and cite specific issue [18:46:43] <Toprawa> Reference 8 needs to correctly use Citeweb by filling in all available fields. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:31, October 10, 2018 (UTC) [18:46:45] <Toprawa> Probe [18:46:48] <Imperators> imp ecks probe [18:46:56] Missing backup links [18:46:57] Probe [18:47:00] <Toprawa> Myo/Legends probed [18:47:01] <Toprawa> https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Young%E2%80%93Elders_War [18:47:06] <Toprawa> Young–Elders War [18:47:06] <Toprawa> The 44 ABY date cannot be sourced to the story. That needs ERC or something. [18:47:06] <Toprawa> The article needs to follow the layout for conflict articles. Specifically, the "A 'war for peace'" section becomes "The war" [18:47:06] <Toprawa> StarWars.com Databank entries are Last name, First name. [18:47:06] <Toprawa> How can one possibly discern the that two conflicts in the infobox's Concurrent and Next fields are indeed accurate if this conflict isn't even mentioned in NEC? Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 16:31, October 10, 2018 (UTC) [18:47:12] <Toprawa> Probe [18:47:15] Probe [18:47:22] <Imperators> imp ecks probe [18:47:38] <Toprawa> Young-Elders War probed [18:47:39] <Toprawa> That's it [18:47:43] <Toprawa> Anyone have anything specific? [18:47:48] <Toprawa> Before we move on to Discussions [18:47:56] <Imperators> no thanks [18:48:11] <Toprawa> Moving on to Discussions [18:48:25] <Toprawa> Tommy wanted us to figure out what we're doing with his Imperial II-class Star Destroyer nom [18:48:35] <Toprawa> I believe he's discussed this with all of you [18:48:43] <Toprawa> Is everyone familiar with the matter? [18:48:48] <Toprawa> I can briefly summarize for the record [18:49:18] I am not familiar with this. [18:49:23] <Toprawa> Ok, no problem [18:49:41] <Toprawa> One moment [18:50:04] <Toprawa> Maybe it would be easiest if Tommy explained it for us [18:50:22] <Toprawa> actually, it's in the BTS [18:50:28] <Toprawa> I quote: [18:50:29] <Toprawa> The Imperial II-class Star Destroyer was originally created for[22] the 1980 film Star Wars: Episode V The Empire Strikes Back,[23] although it is only confirmed to have appeared in that film in the Star Wars Legends continuity.[22] This is because, in the new canon, it is not known if the class appears in content that features Imperial-class Star Destroyers with communications towers, such as The Empire Strikes [18:50:29] <Toprawa> Back. The reason for this is that some Imperial I-class Star Destroyers, which normally featured a tractor beam targeting array,[13] were upgraded to have a communications tower.[12] As Imperial II-class Star Destroyers also had communications towers, the two classes could have been indistinguishable.[10] [18:51:02] <Toprawa> I left an objection for him pertaining as such: [18:51:12] <Toprawa> (This objection is not on the nom page) [18:51:48] <Toprawa> Basically, any Star Destroyer that has this tractor beam targeting array can be interpreted to be an ISD-II [18:52:07] <Toprawa> The only exceptions, which are exceedingly rare, are Star Destroyers that are stated to be upgraded ISD-I's [18:52:45] <Toprawa> I told him to go ahead and assume that any Star Destroyer with this feature is an ISD-II unless we're explicitly told it's an upgraded ISD-I [18:52:51] <Toprawa> I argue that this is the same principle as the duck test [18:53:15] <Toprawa> Like, it's stupid to not say someone is Human because they might actually be an HRD and we just don't know unless we're told for sure [18:53:38] <Toprawa> Tommy is hesitant to do this, mostly because it's going to require a *massive* update to the article [18:53:50] <Toprawa> So he wanted us to come to an agreement on the validity of this objection [18:53:53] <Toprawa> Does that make sense? [18:54:27] <Imperators> there will be no update, only the death of the nom. :P [18:54:37] <Imperators> I think you explained that well, Tope. [18:54:38] <Toprawa> Realistically true [18:54:40] <Toprawa> Thank you [18:54:45] Yeah, that makes sense to me. When I reviewed the article this morning, I was contemplating making this an objection. [18:55:45] <Imperators> should have put this up as an item on the meeting page, since ecks and SE, who actually reviewed the thing, are absent, but oh well. [18:55:58] <Imperators> Tope, your explanation has convinced me. Fire at will. [18:56:03] I was going to bring it up, but I got distracted by Jaden Korr for 2 hours. I agree as well. [18:56:03] <Toprawa> Very well [18:56:20] <Toprawa> We outnumber the absent Inqs in this anyways, so motion passed [18:56:29] <Toprawa> Any other discussion items? [18:56:46] Nothing from me. [18:56:52] <Imperators> BTW, I guess it falls to me as the (spoiler alert) paperwork person? [18:57:03] <Imperators> i.e., the archival of the nom page [18:57:14] <Toprawa> Well, we'll inform Tommy officially and let him decide what he wants to do with it [18:57:27] <Toprawa> Then it can be archived by anyone if he decides to end it [18:57:31] <Imperators> ah, you're right, we need consent [18:57:44] <Toprawa> Meeting duties: [18:57:54] <Toprawa> Imperators paperworks [18:57:59] <Toprawa> Imperators schedules [18:58:12] <Toprawa> Inqmoot 96 is hereby concluded (under an hour, I might add)