Talk:Acclamator-class assault ship/Legends

Not sure why, but cargo capacity is not visible by the stats on the article's page. I looked under edit and saw that all the info was there, but it wasn't displaying. I tried toying around with it but couldn't get it to work, though I'm not very knowledgable. Thanks. Rmfitzgerald50 18:14, 26 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * I've noticed that as well. Admiral J. Nebulax 19:58, 26 Dec 2005 (UTC)

I agree that this page should be locked if this anon keeps reverting it with his stupidity, but NOT before we clean up the introduction sentence. There's no need to say things like "also known as assault ship" or "Republic assault ship" or "Transgalactic military transport." That's being WAY too anal about the exact wording, and all of these mean the same thing. Do we go into so much excessive wording for the ISD, saying "the Imperial-class Star Destroyer, also known as Imperator-class Star Destroyer, also known as Imperial Star Destroyer"? JimRaynor55 17:43, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Alternatively, ban the anon's IP KEJ 17:48, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Ok, so do you guys need a lock, a ban, or both? Going though some examples of his posting history, he seems like nothing but a troll. StarNeptune 17:56, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Just ban the anon for now. There are still some things I would like to edit in this article. JimRaynor55 17:57, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)


 * Done. StarNeptune 18:02, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)
 * Sorry about the opening sentence. I thought it was necissary. Admiral J. Nebulax 20:43, 28 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Same old crap
If you want to revert it back to the inaccurate and contradictory 200 gigaton calculation without providing any proof, you know you are wrong. And by proof, I mean *feats*, actual examples of one Turbolaser blast taking out an area the size of New York Island, and parts of New York State, since that is how large and powerful a 200 gigaton blast would be.

There is evidence, in both the EU and the movies, of a much *lower* output. During the bombardment of Taris for example, turbolasers had a maximum firepower of around 25 megatons(taking down sections of Taris with ease). Or look at the full powered Turbolaser blast that Thrawn fired near Khadabah(sp.?) Noghri village, it destroyed a hill near the village, that is all. Or Admiral Daala's bombardment of Mon Calamari and Gantoris's Eol Sha Dantooine Settlement, nothing even comes close to a 200 gigaton blast.

So please, by all means, before you edit that post, provide a feat that reflects that amount of firepower. If you do, then I'll shut up.
 * It's in print, it's a fact. Deal with it. Take your argument to someplace where people care, like the Jedi Council Forums or StarDestroyer.net. Here, we state the facts that are on record, we don't change them just because we don't think they make sense. You show us a source that states what you want the article to say, or leave it alone. That's how it works. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  18:58, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The destruction of Caamas may be the feat you are looking for. In order for the Imperials to be able to cause enough damage to the surface that most of the surviving Caamasi left the planet, the devestation must have been exrtemely widespread over the entire surface of the planet. In order for the fleet to be able to cause this much damage in a reasonable amount of time, their turbolaser blasts must have caused damage similar that in size.
 * Nonetheless, this anon has been changing facts in the article to what he/she believes. Admiral J. Nebulax 00:04, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

NJO use
I see it was noted as appearing in "The Unifying Force". Who was using the Acclamators here, was it the "Federation of Galactic blablabla" or the "Imperial Remnant"? VT-16 14:18, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd put my money on the GFFA. Admiral J. Nebulax 22:09, 16 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Can we get a quote?TIEPilot051999 01:35, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, the way to find out who put it in is check the history. After that, we can ask that person. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:54, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I can't find any variation of "Acclamator" in any NJO books, and instances of "republic," "assault," or "landing"/"lander" in The Unifying Force don't turn up any references that could be Acclamators. Unless they were placed at the NJO by a secondary source like the New Essential Chronology, I don't think they were there at all. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  13:14, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll check my New Essential Chronology. Admiral J. Nebulax 13:17, 21 February 2006 (UTC)
 * I remember reading this from TUF, I'll try to find the page number. What I remember is reading about a ship that has the callsign "Rothana Transport" and is described as having two primary engines and being a possible progenitor to Right to Rule (an ISD). The only problem is that the length of the ship is given at 400 metres. When I find the page number I'll post it.YIIMM 20:42, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Page 337, paragraph 1. Referred to as "Rothana transport" on page 339, paragraph 2. Described as having a pointed bow and cylindrical thrusters on page 340, paragraph 2. YIIMM 20:50, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * That might be an Acclamator, then. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:54, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'm certain it was meant to be, but the length is erroneous. YIIMM 21:02, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Unless there was another Star Destroyer predecessor that we don't know about produced by Rothana. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:16, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

p 340: "The third was a pre-Empire vessel, almost four hundred meters long, and might havebeen a precursor to Right to Rule herself." Not an Acclamator by name, but I think it's not too hard to see what they're getting at. - lalala_la
 * But the length is still in error, as pointed out above. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:13, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

Empire at War
Weren't the ones in Empire at War Acclamator IIs? They were assault ships, not transports (plus it makes sense that ones built during the time of the civil war would be later models). Kuralyov 16:28, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It seems that they would be, but it depends on what LucasArts had in mind. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:33, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * It's possible, but even the transport versions had 12 quad turbolaser cannons, which is enough for a "frigate".YIIMM 20:40, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Plus, are the people at LucasArts aware of the Acclamator II? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:44, 14 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Somehow, I doubt it. The interesting thing, though, is that the EAW Acclamators function as "frigates", in other words true warships, rather than military transports. That was the big difference between the Mk. I and the Mk. II. VT-16 09:41, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, if that's true, then we'll have to call them Acclamator IIs. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:20, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Bear in mind that by the time the Empire was using them, Acclamators were obsolete. Presumably all the dropships in EAW are deployed from the Star Destroyers, so the Acclamators are deployed instead as frigates and picket ships. That's my take on it. YIIMM 20:29, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * So confusing... Why can't they just call them what they really are in the first place? Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:48, 15 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Both an Acclamator frigate (EAW) and the more conventional transport (SW:Empire) are seen in the OT-period, and would correspond well with the two different models in the CW-period.
 * "Bear in mind that by the time the Empire was using them, Acclamators were obsolete." Not really. The Acclamator and the Imperial have two different roles, one being primarily a military transport while the other was a fully fledged warship (also capable of carrying troops and equipment, but this was secondary). Just because one design is younger, doesn't mean the older one is automatically obsolete (with the different roles and all). And even with the Mk. II model being a frigate, this still makes it slightly different from the larger destroyer/cruiser. VT-16 21:55, 15 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Good point. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 22:37, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Gunships
The artical does not mention how many LAAT/C the Acclamator-class Assault Ship can carry I think it sould be changed.User:Lucky
 * Wouldn't it be included under Low Altitude Assault Transport? It definitely didn't carry just LAAT/i's. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 12:07, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Yes does any one know how many LAAT/C gunships it carries?User:Lucky (talk)
 * Check Attack of the Clones Incredible Cross-Sections. It probably won't be the actual number, but it could be close. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 18:21, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
 * On a different not should we also put the number of V-19's the ship could hold instead of Gunships?User:Lucky (talk)
 * I believe that that's still disputed, thanks to the mirco-series. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 21:47, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'll accept that but did the V-19 appear outside the clone wars micro series?User:Lucky (talk)
 * Yes, as you'll see on the V-19's article. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 02:35, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I think someone went through the SW:CW frames and actually came up with a reasonable number for both the LAATs and the V-19 fighters exiting. Which was funny because people said this big amount was "too unrealistic" when they first saw the episode (chapter 2). >D VT-16 10:38, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, what is that number? And let's not forget that that might not be the actual number. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 13:10, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Finally found it. Apparently, counting V-19s that pour out of the Acclamator in one scene, a guy on SD.net found 156 fighters. There might have been more hidden in the crowd, but that was the highest he found (Anakin's starfighter not included). That would make "13 full squadrons of 12 fighters each", according to him. It also seems as the same ship held a smaller than usual number of LAATs, with 22 exiting it. VT-16 16:40, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, this might not be the standard compliment. The numbers could have been adjusted for the battle. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 17:16, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I have no idea what the standard compliment might be, I just reported the numbers in this battle. The ship would probably have less ground craft with all those fighters taking up space, anyway. VT-16 20:27, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * I'd say that the total number of V-19s would be less than what we saw in the mirco-series. Maybe around a couple squadrons less. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 20:35, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Why? If they take out some of the other vehicles from that specific ship, so they can have more fighters, that seems reasonable enough. VT-16 01:06, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Sorry, I meant to say for a standard compliment of V-19s. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 02:38, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Then I have no idea. For all we know, the standard Acclamator loadout could be too filled up to include any V-19s. VT-16 18:38, 19 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Perhaps the standard compliment was changed after the fighters were created. I don't know. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 19:42, 19 March 2006 (UTC)

200 gigatons?!
the 200 gigaton figure which to my knowlage is only supported by one book in the expanded universe, is probably one of the most discredited "facts" in the starwars universe. anyone who has seen the movies should that there is no way these things could create a 200gigaton blast. its also not in keeping with other articles on this site. it the interest of this article not being laughable, somone should take it down its not a Gcannon fact, and watching the movies shows that this power output is extremely unrealistic, do you even know what a 200gigaton blast would do to a city? even if it was consitrated into a beam the heat it would release would cause rapid expantion in the air which would create a huge explosive shockwave. and since we are going by EU lets take a look at the time Darth Malak destroyed Taris. the blasts you see as they escape the city could not have had possibly had that kind of power. please dont cling to one statement in one book as absolute, as you know some sourses contridict each other.
 * In the interest of not looking like a total idiot, please read Star Wars canon. QuentinGeorge 09:17, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Additionally, as can be seen above, this has already been discussed. It's in print, it's a canon fact - deal with it. QuentinGeorge 09:21, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Exactly. I'm sick of these anons saying that canon is wrong. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 13:02, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Point 1: Please learn how to spell and punctuate correctly. Point 2: It's a C-Canon fact, and not contradicted by the movies, so that's why it's here. Point 3: Your Taris example is irrelevant since that occurs 4,000 years before the Acclamator ever existed. Point 4: I know what a 200 gigaton blast would do - it's called a Base Delta Zero - and that's exactly what the Acclamator is capable of doing, just like the CIS did to Humbarine. QuentinGeorge 22:12, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * First, the fact is canon whether or not you like it (and "cannon" go boom). We record C-canon right alongside G-canon here, so deal. Second, the fact has never been "discredited," just desperately contested by idiotic Star Trek fans. Third, we have several examples of Base Delta Zeros (Caamas, Dankayo, Humbarine) and we've seen the effect of a turbolaser in G-canon (Hoth asteroids) and in C-canon (Riv Shiel's fully-shielded X-wing being liquefied in one shot springs to mind, but I know there are others). 200 GT turbolasers are so not unrealistic that this whole argument is amusing. &mdash;Darth Culator   (talk)  23:53, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Why do so many people disregard canon? That's truly a mystery. Someone's proven wrong with actual canon, and they refuse to believe it. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) 00:30, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Yet, from the firepower we've seen in both the EU and the Movies, the 200 gigaton calulation doesn't hold water. The most a single turbolaser obliterated was a mountain, which doesn't reflect 200 gigatons of firepower. If there was that much firepower from a turbolaser, an area the size of New York Island, New Jersey, and half of New York State would be obliterated with one single blast. Yet, from the movies, we have turbolasers that are used as artillery pieces,(SPMA for instance) which never produced that amount of firepower. So really, even if it is canon, there has to be some common sense and some disregard of canon when it comes to this firepower arguement.
 * Still, canon is canon. There's no point in arguing. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:38, 12 April 2006 (UTC)

How was it used in canon? And, isn't there a canon rule that if an EU feat of a Jedi or technology contradicts the movies, it is thrown out? I'll check it over. So the ICS falls under C-Canon? That means Mike Wong's calculations(he helped write it) fall under C-Canon...damn... Wasn't there a time when these Source Books, like the ICS fell under S-Canon?
 * No, when canon is stated, it's canon from that point on. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:44, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Canon is canon, my friend. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:51, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * If there was, it's different now, because they're C-canon. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:52, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
 * S-canon is reserved for older material, like the Marvel comic books from the 70s and 80s, and the SW newspaper strips (same period). If things from them are referenced, they become part of C-canon (which is everything outside of the movies, aside from old material). VT-16 20:10, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
 * There's a nice little canon lesson. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:11, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

--AdmiralWesJanson 04:29, 2 August 2006 (UTC) i agree massive amounts of energy can be charged up by turbolasers over time and using smaller scale weapons to counter the destructive capbilites as being unrealistic compared to those of capitol ship scale weapons is stupid
 * We have seen ships that can charge up turbolasers to immense levels of firepower. It would be an easy solution to say that the 200 Gigatons is the maximum level of firepower, assuming either full reactor output (neglecting other things such as shields, which in a BDZ are not really needed) or due to charging capacitors prior to combat.
 * True... Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:11, 2 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, but do remmeber its may not be unrealistic in a galaxy far far away :P Jedi Dude 15:48, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
 * And please don't restart old topics. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 18:31, 8 October 2006 (UTC)

Possible Dark Empire sighting
I have the TPB of Dark Empire I, and on the front cover of my version there appears to be an Acclamator. It is in the background and is to the left (our left) of Luke's head, under the word "Dark" A link to the full cover's spread is right here. I know a lot of stuff in the comics, especially images in the Dark Empire series, are simply eye candy and fillers. But the publication date of my edition is 2003, so it could be a possible retcon. Should it count as an appearance for the Acclamator? Your thoughts?
 * That's definitely an Acclamator, and, therefore, an Acclamator appearance. I'll add it in. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 20:17, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Acclamator-class Star Destroyer?
Where does this come from? Kuralyov 21:41, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * They're apparently called such in Empire at War. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 23:39, 12 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Mentioned among other names in the EaW manual. I'm not surprised that was an optional name in the Empire, even a smaller ship like the Demolisher in Droids was called a Star Destroyer. VT-16 10:16, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Good point. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 13:59, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Quadlaser Turrets
Was 200 Gigatons the yeild rating for one barrel of the cannon of all four barrels firing together? Thep 21:02, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I think all four together. I'm not sure, though. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:38, 25 September 2006 (UTC)
 * What source gave it this rating?--Herbsewell 00:05, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * Pretty sure the AotC: ICS. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 00:07, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * AOTC:ICS. Bear in mind that's probably a maximum firepower for the guns, it likely had variable yields like most warships in SW. Either way, the Republic didn't bombard Geonosis in AOTC due to wanting the droid foundries intact (so they could find out how deep the CIS conspiracy went). VT-16 07:09, 19 October 2006 (UTC)
 * True. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Implogo.jpg|20px]] 11:07, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Hangar bay on the Acclamator
The article mentions that a ventral hanger bay, much like that on later Star Destroyers, exists on the original Acclamator. I've never seen this, so I was wondering where this info comes from? The only sources I've seen, such as the Hasbro 'action fleet' toy and the Clone Wars game show only the two side hatches. --Darth Windu 16:04, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * I take it you haven't seen Star Wars: Clone Wars. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 21:05, 6 February 2007 (UTC)
 * You mean the mini-series? I have, but obviously didn't pay enough attention. Regardless, no Acclamators are referred to by name in the series, so why is it listed as being the original Acclamator? As I said, these bays don't appear in any other source I've seen. --Darth Windu 02:54, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Acclamator IIs weren't around yet. So, they're Acclamator Is. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 13:56, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Perhaps so, but the article doesn't say they are Acclamator !'s, it refers specifically to a ship named Acclamator. --Darth Windu 02:47, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Assault ship
Why was the info about it being an assault ship rather than just a transport removed? After all there is a big difference between vessels designed as transports and vessels designed as assault craft. --Darth Windu 02:59, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Uh, read the first line of the "Characteristics" section. &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 13:56, 7 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Done. What's your point? --Darth Windu 02:57, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * It says "assault transport". &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 11:57, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * And stop moving the 16,000 figure to the "Complement" section. In addition, provide a source for removing "point defense". &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 11:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * On the 'assault ship' thing it just seems the 'assault' bit is more or less ignored. As I said, there is a big difference between a transport and an assault ship. On the Clones, it strikes me they should be in the 'complement' section because they are part of the forces carried for assaults, not passengers. Finally with the laser cannons the starwars.com databank states they are simply 'laser cannons' and I believe this comes from the AotC ICS. Not 100% though as I don't have the book. --Darth Windu 04:04, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Hyperdrive
Apparently, the Acclamator is given a Class 0.6 and a Class 2 hyperdrive in different sources - I suspect that these will be ICS and WotC respectively. Anyone got direct quotes? --McEwok 01:05, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Wouldn't the ICS one be higher canon? &mdash;Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) [[Image:Imperial Emblem.png|20px]] 01:26, 8 February 2007 (UTC)