Talk:Jedi Order/Legends

Luke Skywalker is the last member of the Old Jedi Order?...MTFBWUA. Starkiller1996 Adidas F50+ 11 Febraury, 2007; 23:32 (UTC) "Not the last of the old Jedi, Luke. The first of the new."

- Obi-Wan Kenobi to Luke Skywalker

Sith Council Sith Campaign 21:27, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

User: Mak Manto Yes, he would be. Yoda and Obi-Wan were members of the Old Order, and so, he was too. When he created the New Order, he wasn't anymore.

Appearances
What's up with the Appearances section? I know there was a whole lot more places this is talked about. -- Cato Neimoidia 22:20, 27 March 2007 (UTC)

Notable members
To settle the problem with certain individuals deleted members of the New Jedi Order from the "Notable Members" area, we'll put it to a vote.

Include NJO in Notable Members
 * 1) See comments. - JMAS 20:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) i agree with JMAS. AdmirableAckbar 20:51, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) JMAS is correct. Greyman ( Paratus ) 21:27, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 4) I agree. --Jedimca0 (Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 21:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 5) Do. I nominated it, so that's final. Jediknight19bby 23:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 6) *What do you mean "that's final", the vote is not over yet. --Jedimca0 (Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 10:42, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 7) Unit 8311 11:37, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Do not include NJO in Notable Members
 * 1) No. Let this article focus on the old Jedi Order. -Fnlayson 21:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 2) They're part of a totally seperate order. &#123;&#123;SUBST:User:Jasca Ducato/Sig}} 09:17, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * 3) This is specific to the pre 19 BBY order. There is a generic page at Jedi and a New Jedi Order specific one. QuentinGeorge 11:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)

Comments
The Jedi Order is a not just referring to one set era of time. This article encompasses the Jedi Order as a whole. Nomi Sunrider, Voso-Siosk Baas both come from the OLD Jedi Order, one that allowed marriage and love. Yoda, Mace Windu, Aayla Secura all came from an era of the Jedi Order that forbid these things. Luke Skywalker founded the NEW Jedi Order that once again allowed them. They are ALL part of the Jedi Order as a whole. - JMAS 20:48, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Does this mean the history of the New Jedi Order (which I removed) needs to be put back in? --Jedimca0 (Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 21:32, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * The NJO can be sumarrized here if that's the way it will be done. And if so, the lead should not say "later known as the Old Jedi Order". -Fnlayson 21:41, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. Since the NJO has it's own article, it should only be summarized here. - JMAS 21:45, 22 June 2007 (UTC)
 * So if its being summarised, we don't need a list of its members. &#123;&#123;SUBST:User:Jasca Ducato/Sig}} 09:17, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * We could list some of the most notable members, perhaps in the history section. And we're trying to make this a good article, so please, don't start an edit war. --Jedimca0 (Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 10:41, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * This is the article for the Old Jedi Order. We have a separate New Jedi Order article and a separate Jedi article. Please don't confuse them. QuentinGeorge 11:22, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * You're right, it is a bit confusing. Perhaps the article needs to be renamed "Old Jedi Order" to prevent confusion. --Jedimca0 (Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 13:57, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I was just going to say the same thing...if it's not going to cover the history of the whole Jedi Order, then maybe a page move a new name is needed? Just a thought.   Greyman ( Paratus ) 14:06, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If the article gets renamed to "Old Jedi Order", then fine. But the "Jedi Order" should stand for the entire history of the Order from its inception to end (whenever that might be). - JMAS 14:58, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Exactly. Greyman ( Paratus ) 15:02, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I Do feel that there should be some sort of clear distinction between the NJO and the old jedi order; and seeing as there is an article for the NJO we should only briefly talk about the NJO in this article and primarily focus on the old jedi order. I believe that they should remain separate articles and this should be renamed the Old Jedi Order.  You Lose Talk to me! 21:09, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Maybe we should remove the whole silly "Notable members" section altogether. --Imperialles 21:16, 23 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Don't remove it. So many users worked hard on it, if you deleted it, I'd undo your edit. I'd keep doing that as many times as it takes so that you can see these users want to keep it, NJO section or not. Jediknight19bby 14:52, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * i think it should be significantly shortened, to include only very notable members. Aayla Secura is not a notable jedi simply because she's featured in many comics/movies. She didn't even make it past knighthood. The notable members section should only include Grand Masters(e.g. Yoda) and extremely well known and powerful jedi (e.g. mace windu). The list shouldn't include jedi like Agen Kolar & Adi Gallia, as they weren't really that notable. AdmirableAckbar 15:27, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Nobody has removed anything and don't make treats. What you suggest could break the 3 revert rule. -Fnlayson 15:36, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It is very difficult to determine notability, I think Aayla Secura is notable enough, others think she isn't. The New Jedi Order article has an even longer list of members, in that article it's called "Roster of the New Jedi Order". I think we should ad a similar section to this article this way we would not have to determine notability, and if we remove the list of members from this article we should remove it from the New Jedi Order article as well. I also think this article needs to be renamed to Old Jedi Order to prevent confusion because this discussion started with the removal of the New Jedi Order members from the list. --Jedimca0 (Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 16:13, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * that would be a good idea, but it would have to be divided into appropriate sections. Grand Masters (e.g Yoda) Council Memebers (e.g. Mace Windu) Jedi Masters (e.g. Qui Gon) Notable Jedi Knight (e.g. Aayla Secura). But no further. If we list every Jedi knight and padawan in the jedi order, it will be way too long. AdmirableAckbar 16:40, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Agreed, listing every mentioned Jedi would make it too long. The New Jedi Order Article has those sections too, so we should use them here as well. --Jedimca0 (Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 16:55, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * It's done. Grand Masters, Council Members, and Masters in alphabetical order. Jediknight19bby 17:46, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes I can see that, but where are the Knights? and I thought this wasn't going to be a "Notable members" section but something more like this. --Jedimca0 (Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 17:54, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't think there should be that many. Jediknight19bby 18:01, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * If You're referring to the New Jedi Order list, than I agree, that would be too long, but that does not mean you should remove Jedi from this list. What I meant was that I thought that the sub section should be named like that of like AdmirableAckbar said, Grand Masters (e.g Yoda) Council Memebers (e.g. Mace Windu) Jedi Masters (e.g. Qui Gon) Notable Jedi Knight (e.g. Aayla Secura). There were several Jedi Knights that were notable enough to be mentioned, we should not shorten this list, I think it was good the way it was, perhaps it could even be expanded a bit, not too much though, just a little bit. It just needed to be divided into sections. --Jedimca0 (Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 18:11, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * i added a couple of Jedi Masters to the list. I'm still not sure whether we should list them all, but certainly the most recognised. I also think the section would gain by having Pre-Ruusan and Post-Ruusan jedi masters, councilors etc... AdmirableAckbar 18:17, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * That's a good idea. I also think that the Jedi that were on the list should remain on the list, some were removed for an unexplained reason when the new sections were added. --Jedimca0 (Do or Do Not, There is No Try) 18:32, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * so, anyone object to having all grand masters, councilors, masters in their respective timelines (post/pre-ruusan) and only notable jedi knights (like Secura or Offee)? AdmirableAckbar 18:43, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I sure don't object. Go right ahead. I'm the one who created the notable members section and nominated this for a good article, so I think that, if there aren't any objections, one vote from me has the right to get it through. Jediknight19bby 18:52, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * okay, could everyone please refrain from editing the article for a few minutes AdmirableAckbar 18:56, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
 * I don't object, but I think we shouldn't divide the grand masters using more separate sections, there are only two grand masters in the list, simply noting it should be enough. As for the other sections, I suggest splitting them up using bolded text and not more sub sections
 * i rearranged them into appropriate sections. I'm not an expert on pre-ruusan jedi so that area may be lacking. sorry to the above user, i hadn't seen your objection when i started editing. your idea makes sense so i'll change it if no-one else does. AdmirableAckbar 19:12, 24 June 2007 (UTC)