Wookieepedia:Featured article nominations/Swokes Swokes


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Swokes Swokes

 * Nominated by: SavageBob 12:20, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Nomination comments: I'll flay strips of flesh from my body if it means this article gets featured.

(5 Inqs/0 Users/5 Total)
Support
 * 1) Excellent work. One of the best articles I've read recently.  Chack Jadson  (Talk)  20:12, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 2) A fascinating piece of work. Good job. Thefourdotelipsis 08:13, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 3) Ditto Joe Cool. I echo the sentiments above. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Dark Side Master TotG.jpg|17px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 17:26, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 4) Cull Tremayne 23:27, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 5)  Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 00:39, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Object
 * 1) Chack Attack:
 * 2) * Too many "Swokes Swokes" in second and third paragraphs of biology. Use "the species" or something.
 * 3) * "the Swokes Swokes are listed as being stronger and hardier than most species but less agile, clever, and likeable." This seems to be a bit of a contradiction. They are stronger, but are smarter? Or are you saying they are less clever and likeable? Sorry if I didn't explain that bit well.
 * 4) *Very, very nice job. I enjoyed reading this article.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 22:42, 16 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 5) **Thanks for your comments. I enjoyed writing it, so I'm glad you enjoyed reading it! I've addressed your first point, but I'm unsure what you're asking in the second. In the D20 Star Wars RPG, Swokes Swokes are stronger and hardier than the average bloke. However, they are less agile, less clever, and less likeable than the average bloke, as well. Does this not come through in the current wording? I think I'm confusing myself! --SavageBob 05:24, 17 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 6) ***Ah, sorry. That's poor wording on my part. I was saying that it comes across as though they are stronger but clever (rather than "and"). I was simply reading it wrong, however, as it seems fine now.  Chack Jadson  (Talk) 19:49, 19 December 2008 (UTC)
 * 7) From the desk of Atarumaster88
 * 8) * "Makem Te society was under-advanced, with little advanced technology, and cities constructed from delicate-looking yet sturdy cast iron." (intro). Awkward wording here-could you condense or reword this to make it read a little better?
 * 9) * Decide whether or not to italicize "caliph" please. It's currently inconsistent.
 * 10) * ". Upon the rise of the Galactic Empire, the new government maintained deals brokered with the Separatists. Rather than sending large contingents of stormtroopers to keep the peace on the planet, however, the Empire supplied advanced weaponry to the caliphs." This is confusing. Can we get more detail on what exactly happened?
 * 11) * Please link your references properly. Geonosis and the Outer Rim Worlds should be linked on first mention.
 * 12) * You have numerous appearances that are not referenced. Please check these and verify that none of them have new information.
 * 13) *Enjoyable read overall, very polished. Have a Super Terrific Friendly Un-frustrating day. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 02:53, 12 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 14) **Thanks for the review! I've had a go at addressing all of your concerns. The one outstanding issue (as far as I can see) is that there are a couple of references that I don't have access to and thus can't consult to see if they add new information. This applies to Podracing Tales, which is no longer availble anywhere on the web, as far as I can tell. All other unreferenced appearances are either adaptations of The Phantom Menace that feature Gragra or just examples of background Swokes Swokes characters on planets we've already seen Swokes Swokes on. Do you have any idea where I might get my hands on Podracing Tales? ~ SavageBob 23:14, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 15) **Belated Merpy Chranukzaa. Atarumaster88  [[Image:Jedi_Order.svg|20px]] ( Talk page ) 21:40, 17 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 16) ***Yeah, I found that link, but it just redirects to starwars.com, which no longer has the comic online. Frustrating! Any other ideas? ~ SavageBob 02:44, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 17) ***Just an update: I've attained two of the missing references and will update the article soon. I'm still looking for the Insider article, but that's the only outstanding source I know of. ~ SavageBob 22:32, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 18) ***Only the Insider article outstanding now. ~ SavageBob 06:33, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 19) ***All appearances and sources present and accounted for. ~ SavageBob 00:13, 22 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 20) * Very solid work, only one complaint: The cannibalism from the Oakie Dokes Databank entry seems a bit glossed over. In the entry, Dokes seems to expect that her parents will eat her, until she exhausts the family funds. Then, she expects that someone else will eat her. I feel that, although a fairly vague reference, it could be gone into in more depth. Another element is the mention of Dokes' ranch...that would probably warrant a mention as well. Thefourdotelipsis 00:17, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 21) **Thanks for your comments. I've tried to expand on the cannibalism thing as far as the Oakie Dokes DB entry will allow. Does that look any better? ~ SavageBob 23:14, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 22) ***Still needs a bit of tweaking. "Disgraced members of the species were sometimes eaten by family members as punishment." doesn't quite work. The sentence from the DB I'm looking at is "She knew her parents would be so disappointed in her that they would probably not even eat her themselves." Thefourdotelipsis 00:42, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 23) ****I gave it another shot. Is that any better? ~ SavageBob 05:09, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 24) *****Much. Thefourdotelipsis 08:13, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 25) Tommy:
 * 26) * I was curious to know more about the random mention of Uda-Khalid.
 * 27) * Much over/underlinking to be rectified.
 * 28) * Is there nothing more to be said about schinga farms? I think they at least warrant a stub.
 * 29) * "When its final Imperial patron was vanquished,"&mdash;Do we know specifically who this patron was? Also, was there a name or a designation of any sort for the fueling station? —Tommy9281 [[Image:Dark Side Master TotG.jpg|17px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 05:44, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 30) **Thanks for the review, Tommy. Here are the answers to your questions:
 * 31) ***Can you elaborate about what you'd like to see about Uda-Khalid? Basically, there's a "background" Swokes Swokes shown as a member of his pirate crew, but the character has no major role aside from looking menacing in one panel.
 * 32) ****"Another member of the species was among the victims of Uda-Khalid." Was Uda-Khalid some sort of genocide? A war? An individual? Without a word or two of context, those are the questions that pop into my head. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Dark Side Master TotG.jpg|17px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 12:56, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 33) *****Oh, gotcha. I was mixing up Uda-Khalid and Reess Kairn in my response. The Uda-Khalid thing is a background alien, too, but I'll add a bit more context so it's not so confusing. ~ SavageBob 13:01, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 34) ***Can you specify what you feel is underlinked? I've gone though and delinked a lot of stuff that was redundant, but I'm not sure what should be linked that isn't.
 * 35) ****You've taken care of it. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Dark Side Master TotG.jpg|17px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 12:56, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 36) ***I think that anything else on schingas should probably go in the schinga article. At any rate, I don't think the sources tell us too much more aside from what's already in the article.
 * 37) ****I think you should create a schinga farm stub though. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Dark Side Master TotG.jpg|17px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 12:56, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 38) ***Unfortunately, Geonosis and the Outer Rim Worlds is extremely vague about the Imperial–Swokes Swokes deals post Endor, so we don't have any more information on the matter. :(
 * 39) ****Understood. What about the fueling station? —Tommy9281 [[Image:Dark Side Master TotG.jpg|17px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 12:56, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 40) *****I've linked Makem Te fueling station and written a short article on it. ~ SavageBob 13:01, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 41) **Please let me know if you have any other comments or questions. ~ SavageBob 11:01, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 42) ***That'll do it for me, Savagebob. I'll strike when you have a schinga farm stub created. Otherwise, very good show. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Dark Side Master TotG.jpg|17px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 12:56, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 43) ****I'm still not sure an article separate from schinga is warranted, but I'll mull it over. In the meantime, I'd love to hear other opinions. Thanks again, Tommy. ~ SavageBob 13:01, 15 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 44) ****OK, so I rechecked Geonosis and the Outer Rim Worlds (our main source of information on schingas), and there really isn't enough information to warrant an article. In fact, the book makes no mention of schinga "farms", instead just talking about schinga breeding in general. The Oakie Dokes Databank entry mentions her family's schinga ranch, but is it doesn't give any information on it. So, basically, a "schinga ranch" article would consist of this line: "A schinga ranch was a location where schingas were bred, trained, and raised." Why strain it into an article? It's much better to put this information in the main schinga article in my opinion. I guess, bottom line is that I hope you will reconsider objecting to the article because it doesn't contain a link to a "schinga farm" article. Thanks, ~ SavageBob 08:22, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 45) *****I concede. —Tommy9281 [[Image:Dark Side Master TotG.jpg|17px]] ( Peace is a lie ) 17:26, 18 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 46) Toprawa:
 * 47) * There's nothing from the Fact File? Additionally, please ask around to add the issue's page numbers. Toprawa and Ralltiir 22:34, 19 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 48) **The Fact File stuff has been added. Where do you think the page numbers should be mentioned? Is it enough to list them in the notes, or do they need to go in the sources list too? ~ SavageBob 06:33, 20 January 2009 (UTC)
 * 49) ***Just like Cull did. You're good. Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:43, 20 January 2009 (UTC)

Comments
 * Just a suggestion: Image:Swokes Swokes gorg farmer.png would make a far better infobox image than the current one, as we get a better look at what the species looks like. Similarly, Image:Schinga Shikou Rider.jpg would be more illustrative in the "Trade and technology" section, since you are talking about the schingas there. Thefourdotelipsis 00:17, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with shuffling the images, but I thought that the infobox image was supposed to come from the films whenever possible. Is this no longer the case? ~ SavageBob 23:14, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
 * If the live action shot and the EU art show basically the same level of detail, sure, we would go with the live action shot, but in this case, the EU art shows us a lot more. Basically, we just use whatever's most illustrative, and for species articles, I'd say that full-body shots are a must, if possible. Thefourdotelipsis 00:42, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
 * OK, I just wanted to make sure I stayed within policy/best practices. As per your suggestion, I've swapped the images to put the full-body shot in the infobox. ~ SavageBob 05:09, 16 January 2009 (UTC)