In your opinion, what was the most influential factor in Anakin turning to the dark side?
In your opinion, what was the most influential factor in Anakin turning to the dark side?
@WriterBuddha My guy, in the Jedi code it says "there is no emotion there is peace"
@WriterBuddha Plus, if a monastic lifestyle in a monastic order is not a bad thing, why did the Jedi all get destroyed at the end? This happened in Luke's Jedi order (canon) which caused him to say the Jedi need to end.
Have you even seen the movies?
@WriterBuddha In legends, Luke's Jedi order allowed a more holistic view of the force, and did not forbid relationships. That is why it succeeded
"My guy". I see you entirely missed "Emotion yet peace" and once again refusing the acknowledge that love is described as central to a Jedi's life. And it's quiet alarming that you believe monastic lifestyle and the absence of marriage led to the destruction of the Jedi Order. So I can ask you the same: have you even seen the movies?
@WriterBuddha I literally don't know what you are talking about. All you have to do is look up the Jedi code on google, it says "there is no emotion, there is peace."
And Anakin describes, "uncondtional love" in a selfless way, is what the Jedi enocurages. Attachment is forbidden.
It was Anakin's attachment for his mother, for Padme, for Ahsoka (when she left) and his inability to cope with it in a healthy way, that lead him down a dark path.
@WriterBuddha Once again, you keep saying things, but what is your argument?
@WriterBuddha And yes it was their monastic lifestyle, mixed with their dogmatism in the force in believing that the Sith were extinct for a thousand years, when they showed up under their noses, that lead to the Jedi's downfall.
Still don't think you've seen the movies.
My opinion, the jedi made him with their failure and 'customs'.
Read Wookieepedia if you have no enough information about the Jedi code.
As for arguments, I wrote above, check out interviews with Lucas, but if you don't want to, I can show you.
“The fact that everything must change and that things come and go through his life and that he can’t hold onto things, which is a basic Jedi philosophy that he isn’t willing to accept emotionally and the reason that is because he was raised by his mother rather than the Jedi. If he’d have been taken in his first year and started to study to be a Jedi, he wouldn’t have this particular connection as strong as it is and he’d have been trained to love people but not to become attached to them. “But he has become attached to his mother and he will become attached to Padme and these things are, for a Jedi, who needs to have a clear mind and not be influenced by threats to their attachments, a dangerous situation. And it feeds into fear of losing things, which feeds into greed, wanting to keep things, wanting to keep his possessions and things that he should be letting go of. His fear of losing her turns to anger at losing her, which ultimately turns to revenge in wiping out the village. The scene with the Tusken Raiders is the first scene that ultimately takes him on the road to the dark side. I mean he’s been prepping for this, but that’s the one where he’s sort of doing something that is completely inappropriate"
"The key part of this scene ultimately is Anakin saying "I’m not going to let this happen again.” We’re cementing his determination to become the most powerful Jedi. The only way you can really do that is to go to the Dark Side because the Dark Side is more powerful. If you want the ultimate power you really have to go to the stronger side which is the Dark Side, but ultimately it would be your undoing. But it’s that need for power and the need for power in order to satisfy your greed to keep things and to not let go of things and to allow the natural course of life to go on, which is that things come and go, and to be able to accept the changes that happen around you and not want to keep moments forever frozen in time.“
"Jedi Knights aren’t celibate - the thing that is forbidden is attachments - and possessive relationships.”
"He turns into Darth Vader because he gets attached to things. He can’t let go of his mother; he can’t let go of his girlfriend. He can’t let go of things. It makes you greedy. And when you’re greedy, you are on the path to the dark side, because you fear you’re going to lose things, that you’re not going to have the power you need."
"The core of the Force–I mean, you got the dark side, the light side, one is selfless, one is selfish, and you wanna keep them in balance. What happens when you go to the dark side is it goes out of balance and you get really selfish and you forget about everybody … because when you get selfish you get stuff, or you want stuff, and when you want stuff and you get stuff then you are afraid somebody is going to take it away from you, whether it’s a person or a thing or a particular pleasure or experience. Once you become afraid that somebody’s going to take it away from you or you’re gonna lose it, then you start to become angry, especially if you’re losing it, and that anger leads to hate, and hate leads to suffering. Mostly on the part of the person who’s selfish, because you spend all your time being afraid of losing everything you’ve got instead of actually living. Where joy, by giving to other people you can’t think about yourself, and therefore there’s no pain. But the pleasure factor of greed and of selfishness is a short-lived experience, therefore you’re constantly trying to replenish it, but of course the more you replenish it, the harder it is to, so you have to keep upping the ante. You’re actually afraid of the pain of not having the joy. So that is ultimately the core of the whole dark side/light side of the Force. And everything flows from that. Obviously the Sith are always unhappy because they never get enough of anything they want. Mostly, their selfishness centers around power and control. And the struggle is always to be able to let go of all that stuff. And of course that’s the problem with Anakin ultimately. You’re allowed to love people, but you’re not allowed to possess them. And what he did is he fell in love and married her and then became jealous. Then he saw in his visions that she was going to die, and he couldn’t stand losing her. So in order to not lose her, he made a pact with the devil to be able to become all-powerful. When he did that, she didn’t want to have anything to do with him anymore, so he lost her. Once you are powerful, being able to bring her back from the dead, if I can do that, I can become emperor of the universe. I can get rid of the Emperor. I can make everything the way I want it. Once you do that, you’ll never be satiated. You’re always going to be consumed by this driving desire to have more stuff and be afraid that others are going to take it away from you. And they are. Every time you get two Sith together, you have the master, the apprentice, and the apprentice is always trying to recruit another apprentice to join with him to kill the master. The master knows that basically everybody below him wants his job. Only way to overcome the dark side is through discipline. The dark side is pleasure, biological and temporary and easy to achieve. The light side is joy, everlasting and difficult to achieve. A great challenge. Must overcome laziness, give up quick pleasures, and overcome fear which leads to hate."
"No human can let go,” Lucas would say of [the Yoda-Anakin scene]. “It’s very hard. Ultimately, we do let go because it’s inevitable; you do die and you do lose your loved ones. But while you’re alive, you can’t be obsessed with holding on. As Yoda says in this one, ‘You must learn to let go of everything you’re afraid to let go of.’ Because holding on is in the same category and the precursor to greed. And that’s what a Sith is. A Sith is somebody that is absolutely obsessed with gaining more and more power - but for what? Nothing, except that it becomes an obsession to get more.” “The Jedi are trained to let go. They’re trained from birth,” he continues, “They’re not supposed to form attachments. They can love people- in fact, they should love everybody. They should love their enemies; they should love the Sith. But they can’t form attachments. So what all these movies are about is: greed. Greed is a source of pain and suffering for everybody. And the ultimate state of greed is the desire to cheat death.”
Star Wars: Attack of the Clones commentary track
The Making of Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith, page 213
Interview with George Lucas, BBC News 2002
Interview with George Lucas, Time Magazine 2002
Writers' meeting with Filoni on YouTube
And the fact that Obi-Wan says in TCW Season 6 Rise of Clovsi: Jedi are allowed to feel love.
@RexPanther6 , May I ask why did you even post this question from the community if you have an opinion to insist to? And I have to join to @WriterBuddha here, since the guy gave an explanation based on the films and facts supported by George Lucas and actual scenes and quotes from the movies. I would like to read some examples about the "suppressed emotions" in the story. What are YOUR arguments? I also watched all movies and this "no relationship and feeling at all" thing is new.
By the way the Jedi Order destroyed because the clones shot the members dead, not because of their wievs. I am not sure about Luke's order, but they strucked by lightening, in both cases as a result of Palpatine's scheme and awaking hate in people.
What do you think?