I found it very predictable and fairly cliched... so somewhere between good and ok.
I think it's the best episode for a bit in terms of action, so people will vote high, but after a few rewatches it will drop in their rankings.
That would be the Zillo beast in my case.
That I love... but doesn't fit into my headcanon
Well, that narrows it down, as there's a lot that I don't like that isn't in my headcanon either.
So basically my head canon is Legends from Dawn of the Jedi to Kotor 2, skipping Revan novel to SWTOR, then returning from Knight Errant comics to New Jedi Order series. Plus tiny bits from Canon. (Basically I very much dislike SWTOR minus it's pretty trailers and Denningverse)
Now, what I love that isn't included there
Legacy vol 1 comic
Legacy vol 2 comic
The Mandalorian season 3
Rogue One/Andor (assuming I'm not in a mood to juggle it into all the factions that stole bits of the death Star plans in Legends... sometimes I am)
2015 Darth Vader comic run (Vader Down and the conflicting death of Jon Dondonna get hard to align)
Now I do incorporate TCW 2008 but I modify it a lot. First off Ahsoka does die in it as Lucas intended, which leads to Anakin hating the Council. So no season 7 and season 5 is highly modified. I mostly favor CWMMP when there is conflict and explain Ahsoka's absence in various books due to the Jedi Order requiring younger padawans to have a lot of down time for their mental health and more training at the Temple.
I'm sure there's something else I'll realize later I love but don't incorporate, like I was tempted add in Imperial Agents storyline in SWTOR but i realized i only love it 'on a curve' compared to how bad the rest of the game was.
Further the only reasons Dark Empire comics and Jedi Academy trilogy/Callista Ming arcs are in my headcanon is that Hand of Thrawn duology references them. But in my desired rewrite of Legends, they are not... and instead we get something closer to what I feel Zahn would have done.
Anyways, Jar Jar Binks doesn't die in either timeline. Plus if you strike him down, he'll be more comedic than you could possibly imagine.
George Lucas loved this sketch so much, btw, he put it on the Bluray of the films (hint watch it to the end)
It was a joke, lol.
I was referencing that George Lucas's favorite character is also Jar Jar Binks.
https://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-47960054
Anyways welcome to the fandom.
Is that you george?
Hello there. Welcome to Wookieepedia
If you're looking for a good Star Wars book recommendation, I'd recommend the Star Wars books that started them all. The original Thrawn trilogy (Heir to the Empire, Dark Force Rising, & The Last Command).
It was considered for decades to be the continuation of Star Wars until Disney anyways. Plus only requires you having seen the Original trilogy, and is Dave Filoni's roadmap for the future of the franchise. The upcoming Ahsoka show seems to be doing an adaptation of these books. Also The Bad Batch referenced it too... but I won't spoil how.
Kotor 1 had a very classical Star Wars story. If you don't want anything deep, this is your game.
Kotor 2 had the best deconstruction and reconstruction Star Wars story ever done, this is basically the thinking mans favorite game... but it was rushed to market by Lucasfilm before it was finished by Oblivion. So it's more glitchy. Hint get the restoration patch that complete the game as close to what the notes (and unused dialogue) in the games files said their end goal was.
SWTOR is basically multiple stories, but all very subpar story wise to the previous two games... though the Imperial Agent story is better than the others. The best part about this game is the trailers and the Deceived novel tie-in. It really shouldn't have tied-in with the Kotor games either, it basically ended any possibility of Sequels to Kotor and kinda ruined Revan's character several times over.
I would have been far more excited if it had been an original story, instead at the moment it just kinda feels like she's stealing Luke's role from the classic Thrawn trilogy books (which I've waited 32 years to see adapted and now am not really getting that, but a in spirit only adaptation instead)
I vastly prefer Luke to Ahsoka, so I see this as a bait and switch.
^^^That sadly feels like a deflection to me, I mean, it was kinda obvious Dave Filoni would speak to Timothy Zahn about Thrawns portrayal. As he did it before too.
My real issue is though, if they spoke to him about all the rest of the story and characters that they basically ripped off from his Thrawn trilogy. And if he's getting any royalties for a story inspired by his Thrawn trilogy but not actually his Thrawn trilogy. At the end of the day, none of this was possible without him but it kinda feels like we're getting a thanks for Thrawn but we don't need you anymore after your input there.
I'm kinda doubtful at this point, because if Zahn was far more involved in the story, that is an admitted adaptation of his, why didn't they have him at the convention?
I kinda get the feeling all they did was ask him about Thrawn... and that's it.
@Jedi Sarith LeKit The quote you're referring too "Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment" is actually a really old videogame quote (back in 2004) and was a very old meme... and that's more what it was meant as. I just couldn't find any high quality versions of it anymore so I transcribed it without thinking people wouldn't get it (I was in a rush at the time scowering for other news, while multitasking at work lol). I apologize. A terrible case of me posting one franchises joke on a different franchises forum and a lot of people getting lost as a result. Then me being too oblivious to even realize what I did until just now.
So it was more of a joke that you just didn't get the reference from. Sorry, I'm just older than you.
The character who said it literally looks like this...
So I was kinda thinking in my head how memey like he looks and kinda filled in the joking knowing what i meant but not really making it clear to anyone else. As this character was super depressing but in a satirical kinda way, his character is kinda like a depressed Yoda psycher mixed with Savage Opress... with a battle axe (shaped like a Roman Acquila). Sorry hard to describe, but he just said a lot of quotes similar to TCW fortune cookies but the emo versions of them. Sorry, I'm lolling atm over nostalgia from the game.
Anyways it was a glitchy videogame character (think like Starcraft) who only half the time did what you told him to and then told you "hope is the first step on the road to disappointment", after you clicked a lot to try to get him to do what you want. Which kinda made him a meme to the community of the game.
I was honestly really confused when you said I was being toxic, since I thought I was being funny and just totally wasn't thinking not many others played the original Dawn of War (a Warhammer 40k game where just about everything in it is satirical (sometimes in a morbid way) and way over the top... 40k is a franchise where a character once time traveled to his own past, and he killed his past self with his favorite gun because he thought he could have 2 of his favorite gun afterwards, it's that level of crazy, lol). It didn't even occur to me until just now how it would come across to others. Sorry, basically the utterly wrong fandom to post that joke on, I would have had a hundred likes if I did it on a 40k thread. Again sorry. 🤗🤦♂️🙇♂️
^actually no... Dave Filoni has implied Ahsoka could still be alive in Rise of Skywalker and that is his desire. Further She was born in 36 BBY and the film is in 35 ABY, so she'd be in her 70s and still alive. Thus beating Luke in Legends by nearly a decade.
Heck, I'd wager some money, we'll get Ahsoka as an old women in the Rey film, telling her she's now a Jedi Master before dying herself then coming back as a ghost to help. So Ahsoka could well be in her 90s when she dies.
Again, contrast this with multiple authors wanting to kill Luke Skywalker repeatedly in Legends. Only Lucas stopping that, the EU in contrast tried to kill off Luke repeatedly. Luke would have been dead before Ahsoka's age in the show if that was the case.
^being a ghost isn't being kept alive, like you originally stated. It's just a cameo for nostalgia.
Luke died decades before, Cade had never meet his ancestor Luke Skywalker before. Had only seen him in holos prior. It can be inferred from the plot that Luke died decades before 137 ABY, he would have been about 160 then. It's just that the wookieepedia people dont want to Venture a guess exactly when so they hesitated and left it at the appearance of his ghost. No matter how ridiculous dying only a day before his ghost appears would be.
However in 45 ABY, Luke Skywalker literally disappeared into the force but popped back because Han freaked out (and not for his son either, Troy Denning is such a hack).
@Ctmeh Correction. Luke was last seen alone in Legends at 45 ABY. He was only 64 at the time... and he was kinda half-way dead at the time. Literally disappearing into the force until Han begging Luke and Leia (also disappearing) to basically wait for him to die first and not leave him.
We also know he died long before he hit 100 based on him not being in any of Cade Skywalker's memories. Heck, even his father and uncle never mentioned meeting him while he was alive.
Also New Jedi Order wanted to kill him off in 25 ABY. It was Lucas himself who vetoed that. Luke would have only been 44 if that happened.
Evey lightsaber wielder gets a hallway scene!
Vader gets one, Luke gets one, Maul gets one, now she kinda gets one too.
Probably because they sounded cool to whomever came up with them and coincidental. That said, I do think their names meanings are a big clue to who they're based off of from the Thrawn trilogy.
Shin means belief
Hati in Norse means Hater or Dispiser.
So it's probably a play on Mara Jade, were her creator Timothy Zahn said he picked her name from dictionary entries he had. Mara meant bitter women in one, and Jade was a discarded woman in another.
Thus Shin Hati probably believes she hates someone but doesn't, just like Mara Jade. This will probably lead to her switching sides later, so a more extreme black/white transition than Mara Jade had, where her turning was more due to 5 years of slowly realizing her entire life and belief system was based on multiple lies from Palpatine.
Now as too Baylan, its probably a play on Bayard, which means foolhardy.
Skoll means treachery or mockery.
So he probably has a treacherous but foolhardy goal... kinda like Joruus C'Baoth in Legends, who was totally insane and therefore had an insane goal.
^Hope is the first step to the road to disappointment. It's best to just keep your expectations as low as possible, that way maybe they can at least surprise you.
However considering they're having Daisy Ridley playing a 40+ year old Rey, and she's only 30 and looks very young. I kinda think they need to rethink their timeline for their New Jedi Order film. That is unless they're not actually gonna be filming this for a decade to let Daisy actually age into the role they need her for.
As we got her... I wouldn't say the worst character (I can sadly think of a few that are way worse, just not as well known or impactful to the lore), but their approach to telling her story was god awful. Basically a plot driven narrative disaster with no real planning or forethought of how to actually achieve their end goal. Further she had to have other characters torn down so she could look good in comparison. With lots of cases of telling but not showing.
Now on a conceptual level, other characters who were also basically orphaned girls having to live on their own where a lot better. Examples from Star Wars include young Tahiri Veila and Ania Solo (who has a ton of parallels to Rey, minus her not being force sensitive but instead her Finn type character being it...). So I see what they were aiming for, but they missed that mark by a terribly wide margin and failed spectacularly to achieve anything close to a well written character who was basically just given easy wins via weak writing ad nauseam. It got so bad the plot had to bend over backwards repeatedly to support her being amazing.
The best choreography
Prequels
Original trilogy
Sequels
Best emotional fights
Original trilogy
Prequels
Sequels
In TCW: 5/5
In Rebels: 3/5
In Mando: 3/5
In BoBF: 1/5
So an average of 3/5 atm based on shows and her chronological development, not number of appearances (which would be weighted far more in her favor as she's had way more appearances in TCW)