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The result of the debate was No consensus. DarthRuiz30 (talk) 02:34, 6 November 2021 (UTC)

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It has come to my attention that the naming policy is a bit out of whack when it comes to manga volumes. Currently, we're treating them the exact same way we do trade paperbacks… except that manga volumes aren't trade paperbacks: they're a different medium altogether. In particular, the naming policy says that, because trade paperbacks don't go in article "Appearances" sections, they have to have the Star Wars prefix on their titles:

The preceding rule does not apply to comic series, story arcs, trade paperbacks, or any other compendium publication not typically included in an article's Appearances list. These articles shall include "Star Wars" in their titles.

Now, while most Star Wars manga published has been either non-canon, anthologies, adaptations of other works, or both, it is likely that there will be original manga published – in fact, it's already started with Star Wars: The High Republic: The Edge of Balance. The volumes of this series are listed in "Appearances" lists. As such, they don't fit under the standard umbrella of a trade paperback, and future manga telling original stories that may be published would have the same problem. I propose that we update the naming policy to reflect the different mediums at play here:

Rewording the "Individual comic issues" section from this:

Do not include the "Star Wars" prefix in the article titles of individual comic book issues or stories.

To this:

Do not include the "Star Wars" prefix in the article titles of individual comic book issues, stories, or manga volumes.

As well as adding these bullet points to the list of exceptions:

• Manga:
  • Manga volumes with "Star Wars"-specific titles (example: Star Wars Manga: A New Hope 1)
  • Anthology manga volumes (example: Star Wars Manga: Black)
  • Volumes of manga adaptations of another work, such as a webcomic (example: Star Wars Leia, Princess of Alderaan, Vol. 1)

EDIT: Just to make things clear, this proposal applies to volumes of original mangas. Adaptations such as the Lost Stars webcomic and Leia Organa: Ordeal of the Princess are exempted since the entire comic is listed in "Appearances", instead of the print volumes. SilverSunbird (talk) 19:49, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Update: Furthermore, following Dentface's suggestion, I am adding to this proposal that the Layout Guide also be updated to state that webcomics released in short individual chapters should be listed in "Appearances" by series overall, instead of by its compiled volumes. SilverSunbird (talk) 23:21, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

EDIT: I've reworded the final bullet point to make it clearer what it refers to. SilverSunbird (talk) 00:44, 12 October 2021 (UTC)

Support

1. SilverSunbird (talk) 19:40, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
2. YakovChaimTzvi (he/him/his) (talk) 20:02, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
3. JediMasterMacaroni^(Talk) 22:44, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
4. Dentface (talk) 00:01, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
5. IFYLOFD ^(Talk) 00:38, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
6. Supreme Emperor ^Holocomm 03:22, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
7. NanoLuuke^{Cloning facility} 13:38, 15 October 2021 (UTC)

Discussion

Why is Leia PoA an exception? — YakovChaimTzvi (he/him/his) (talk) 19:44, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

• The webcomic is an adaptation of the novel, so the entire comic is listed in the appearances, not individual volumes. I'll update the proposal to make this more clear. SilverSunbird (talk) 19:47, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Perhaps we should have something included clarifying that if the series started as a webcomic with many tiny individual issues, the series overall should be listed in appearances? This would be in contrast to releases like Guardians of the Whills: The Manga and the Edge of Balance TPBs. Dentface (talk) 23:15, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
    • Ooh, good idea! SilverSunbird (talk) 23:19, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Unrelated, I know that books tying into Star Wars Rebels have a separate exemption note in the naming policy. I don't feel strongly one way or another, but do we feel that'd be necessary in this case too since we have stuff like Star Wars Rebels, Vol. 3? Or would that fall under the same exception bullet node as the Princess of Alderaan example? I feel like it probably would, but I wanted to raise the question anyway. :) Dentface (talk) 23:27, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

• That would actually fall under both the first and third bullet points: it has a Star Wars-specific title (Star Wars Rebels) and it's a print volume of a webcomic adaptation. SilverSunbird (talk) 23:34, 10 October 2021 (UTC)