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Wookieepedia's current Notability of fan projects has long been decried for not being restrictive enough. In its original CT, I and others called it something that was better than nothing, but the intention was always to improve it, and I feel the time has come.

I hereby propose a new and more restrictive policy regarding what kinds of fan-related articles are permitted on Wookieepedia. I've basically tightened the requirements to place all the emphasis on two main categories for demonstrating notability: Official Lucasfilm recognition and Mainstream media recognition. The policy also restricts fan films, which, in case you haven't noticed, is a universal trend on Wookieepedia. In 2012, we purged Wookieepedia of all fan films. The idea is that the Star Wars Fanpedia exists for a reason. It's one of our Official Friends, and it's well maintained by Brandon Rhea, so it's a resource we should be utilizing more. But perhaps the most important change/clarification in this policy is a greater emphasis on community autonomy in allowing us to determine what types of fan articles we want to exist here. Even if something does meet these notability requirements, we still have the power as a community to delete it if we feel it doesn't belong here. In other words, it allows us greater freedom to decide things on a case-by-case basis rather than being shackled by an imperfect policy.

The proposal can be read here.

In a second vote below, I present a vote to determine how to handle Official Friends of Wookieepedia. I've heard it suggested previously that Official Friends have articles by simple virtue of being Official Friends regardless of notability. The flip side to that argument is that we have the aforementioned Official Friends page, where these websites/groups are listed, and anything that doesn't have an article can be redirected and presented there. (We can always update/expand/improve that page, by the way.) Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:17, December 11, 2014 (UTC)

Vote 1: Notability of fan projects

This vote regards ratification of the proposed policy.

Support

  1. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 21:17, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 21:21, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Cade StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 21:23, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
  4. Brandon Rhea(talk) 21:26, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
  5. The downside to this proposed policy is that people will no longer be able to vote in protest of the policy in a TC discussion. :P —MJ— Council Chambers 21:29, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
  6. Best possible thing to do would be to make NFP read, in its entirety, "there's a Fanpedia now. Go away." But barring that, this is the best alternative. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 21:34, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
  7. CC7567 (talk) 01:14, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
  8. Trip391 (talk) 01:26, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
  9. --Emperor Jarjarkine MP-Mandalorian Senate Hall 02:46, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
  10. Corellian PremierJedi symbolThe Force will be with you always 04:16, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
  11. AV-6R7User talk:AV-6R7 04:21, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
  12. YES! The policy itself looks good, the only thing I'd change is completely removing the second point under additional notes, the fanpedia is already mentioned 3 times in an adequate manner and the application for fansites/organisations is also under the fan sites/organisations section. Manoof (talk) 10:10, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
  13. jSarek brings up a good point below, though. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 03:59, December 13, 2014 (UTC)
  14. IFYLOFD (Enter the Floydome) 04:44, December 13, 2014 (UTC)
  15. Absolutely. Supreme Emperor (talk) 05:00, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Oppose

Discussion

  • Okay, I know I've long been a proponent of being more inclusive of fan topics, to cover everything Star Wars related here. But the writing on the wall regarding the future of fan projects here has been, well, written on the wall for years now. So this makes me wonder: with the site's direction clearly veering away from coverage of non-official Star Wars content of any sort, is there any reason not to follow Culator's suggestion (worded a bit more eloquently, of course) and just remove ALL fan topics from Wookieepedia and hand them off to Fanpedia? jSarek (talk) 05:56, December 12, 2014 (UTC)

Vote 2: Official Friends

This vote is to determine whether existing Official Friends of Wookieepedia should have articles by virtue of being Official Friends regardless of notability. Vote Support if you believe all Official Friends should have articles regardless of notability; Vote Oppose if you believe non-notable Official Friends should simply be redirected to the Official Friends page. If Vote 1 passes, a minor clause may be added to that new policy page depending on the turnout of Vote 2 here.

Support

Oppose

  1. If they are worthy of having articles on their own, then we should have them. Otherwise, the topic should not have a separate article.--Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest (Greetings) 21:21, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
  2. Cade StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit Calrayn 21:23, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
  3. Per EJ. —MJ— Council Chambers 21:29, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
  4. We have some Official "Friends" we should get rid of anyway, so being among them is certainly no substitute for actual notability. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 21:34, December 11, 2014 (UTC)
  5. Per EJ. CC7567 (talk) 01:14, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
  6. Brandon Rhea(talk) 01:19, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
  7. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:23, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
  8. Trip391 (talk) 01:26, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
  9. -- I dont see the point t in doing a page for each one of our official friend since we already have One page for it. Emperor Jarjarkine MP-Mandalorian Senate Hall 02:55, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
  10. Corellian PremierJedi symbolThe Force will be with you always 04:16, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
  11. AV-6R7User talk:AV-6R7 04:20, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
  12. FUCKING FOOTBALL FRIENDS!!! Manoof (talk) 10:22, December 12, 2014 (UTC)
  13. JorrelWiki-shrinkableFraajic 03:59, December 13, 2014 (UTC)
  14. IFYLOFD (Enter the Floydome) 04:44, December 13, 2014 (UTC)
  15. Definitely. Supreme Emperor (talk) 05:00, December 13, 2014 (UTC)
  16. --RazulAntiwield (talk) 05:15, December 14, 2014 (UTC)

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