Forum:CT:Tab system

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With the recent announcement regarding canon within the Star Wars universe, the entire Expanded Universe has been relegated to the status of "Legends." As we currently understand the situation, the new canon consists only of the six films, Star Wars: The Clone Wars, Star Wars Rebels, and any future material published from this point forward. As far as we know, this includes the StarWars.com Encyclopedia, though there are some exceptions like Star Wars: Rebel Heist, other ongoing comics, and the Warfare Author's Cut.

As is clearly evident by the ongoing CT, Wookieepedia is against the idea of splitting the wiki, and thus Wookieepedia will continue to cover both Legends and new canon material. In order to achieve this, we have developed a system of tab templates and subpages that will separate Legends material from the new canon. This CT is composed of several votes, each of which addresses part of this proposed system.

Vote 1: Tab system

This section is an archive of a community-wide discussion. This section is no longer live. Further comments should be made in open discussion area or a new section rather than here so that this section is preserved as a historic record. The result of the debate was Support implementing tab system. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:15, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

Articles on subjects existing in both new canon and Legends will be split—one continuity tab will remain on the page, while the second continuity will be shifted to a subpage named either X/Legends or X/Canon. {{Canontab}}, a template that is built into {{Eras}}, will feature links to both the canon and Legends versions of the article.

For articles that have different names under the two continuities—for example, Moraband and Korriban—the tab template takes parameters as to which page to link to. In the case of Korriban, the Moraband redirect will be turned into an article covering only the information presented in the new canon.
With this system, articles of a specific continuity will link to other articles of their respective continuity using pipelinks.
At this time, the old publishing eras do not apply to the new canon as far as we know, so they will not show up in a canon article's Eras template. However, if we learn otherwise or a new set of eras come into play in the future, the template can be amended to allow them.

Here are example pages for each situation:

Kanan Jarrus — {{Eras|type=canon}} Canon article.
Hero of Tython — {{Eras|old|featured}} Legends-only article.
Luke Skywalker — {{Eras|imp|reb|new|njo|leg}} Legends version of the Luke article.
Luke Skywalker/Canon — {{Eras}} Canon version of the Luke article.
Korriban — {{Eras|canon=Moraband}} Legends article with differently-named Canon article.
Moraband — {{Eras|legends=Korriban}} Canon article with differently-named Legends article.
Star Wars: The Old Republic — {{Eras|old|real}} Real-world and Legends publishing era.
Star Wars Rebels — {{Eras|real|type=canon}} Real-world and New Canon only
The Tale of the Aiwha Pod — {{Eras|real|type=legends}} Real-world and Legends, but no era info.

Support

Cade Calrayn 00:06, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 00:08, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
IFYLOFD ^{(Enter the Floydome)} 00:09, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
JangFett ^(Talk) 00:13, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
-- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 00:14, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
Those tabs are freakin' HUGE. Winterz (talk) 00:24, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
- They were a lot bigger originally. Cade Calrayn 00:24, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
  - Yeah but it's hard to focus on the article when those huge letters are staring at me. It's distracting actually, so I think they should be rather.. more "delicate." One would notice them passively and they wouldn't distract. Winterz (talk) 00:33, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
    - They have to be a bit large in order to catch the attention of the lowest common denominator, I am pretty sure. --Imperialles 00:35, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
This is clearly the most practical and visually appealing option. It effectively keeps all information collected on a single page, which in turn keeps things more manageable. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:45, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
Absolutely. Corellian Premier^{The Force will be with you always} 01:29, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
Makes the most sense in this senseless situation.—Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 02:16, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
A good solution, but a shame that it's the only option being presented. Its development should have been more transparent and with more user input. Menkooroo (talk) 02:30, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 (talk) 02:35, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
EU shall always be superior. Supreme Emperor (talk) 03:00, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
Per Winterz. I'm not sure exactly what's gained by having the tabs bigger than the title, but it's certainly not enough for me to oppose the idea. ^Jorrel_Fraajic 03:05, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
Exiled Jedi (Greetings) 03:48, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
This makes the most sense in the long run. To me at least.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 04:24, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
Adamwankenobi (talk) 05:31, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
MasterFred^(Whatever) 08:24, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
Ayrehead02 (talk) 09:30, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
I like it. And the size is good enough to warn the common reader about the tabs existence. Alexrd (talk) 10:46, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
1358 ^(Talk) 11:30, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
501st dogma^(talk) 12:33, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
QuiGonJinn ^(Talk) 14:54, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
CC7567 ^(talk) 14:59, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
-- SFH (talk) 16:08, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
Green Tentacle ^(Talk) 16:46, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
Lord Dreist (talk) 17:00, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
Coruscantfan ^(Talk) 18:11, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
I think some tweaks to style and detail might be needed, but we can hammer those out in a future CT. We need to hit the ground running with an approach for going forward, and this is it. jSarek (talk) 20:49, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
Trip391 (talk) 05:57, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
Although another CT to reduce the size of the tabs is definitely in order. You know the tabs are too big when they're the same size or larger than the title. _{Master Jonathan Council Chambers
06:17 UTC Sun May 4, 2014}
- Actually I think the oversized tabs may be a good thing, at least for now. These tabs will be an entirely new feature on Wookieepedia. Many visitors may not even be aware of the new separation between Canon and Legends, nor what the tabs mean. The size of the tabs will grab their attention, and hopefully this will help bring them up to speed on the situation. --Richterbelmont10 ^{(come in R2!)} 03:22, May 5, 2014 (UTC)
-- 15:59, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
—Silly Dan _(talk) 17:28, May 4, 2014 (UTC)
With graphical issues to be fixed in future Manoof (talk) 01:31, May 5, 2014 (UTC)
Jinzler (talk) 12:20, May 5, 2014 (UTC)
Tainb'ocu'chulainn (talk) 13:34, May 5, 2014 (UTC)
This is now the necessity for us. It is best that we at least build our infrastructure ahead of major canonical changes. The release of A New Dawn may be where we will see how well this works, but thankfully that is still several months away. The size or format of tabs can be altered in the future as we see fit. -- Riffsyphon1024 15:07, May 5, 2014 (UTC)
Needs some graphical tweaking imo, but otherwise Tabs seems to be the right way to go. Wonder how nominated articles will work, but it's probably simple. Each Tab will count for it's own "nom tag," I assume. --Clonehunter^{(Report your W.M.D.)} 19:05, May 5, 2014 (UTC)
14:50, May 5, 2014 I agree with seceral of the comments made by my fellow editors that just some minor tweks to help make the final product excellent. But still, so stupid to completly overhaule the EU. —Unsigned comment by 156.26.97.15 (talk • contribs). (Please log in to vote. 1358 ^(Talk) 20:07, May 5, 2014 (UTC))
Commander Code-8 ^{Felicitations malefactors!} 06:44, May 6, 2014 (UTC).
~~Agree that some minor tweaking is required for the final design User:Professor Ambrius 15:44, May 6, 2014 (UTC)~~ (See fourth bullet point of "Additional provisions" in Wookieepedia:Single-issue voters. 1358 ^(Talk) 13:06, May 7, 2014 (UTC))
Tabs should probably be less distracting, but they should be there. Stake black ^msg 14:22, May 8, 2014 (UTC)

Oppose

Discussion

A minor aside: I worry that placing the new Canon/Legends graphics in the Eras template makes it look a bit messy and/or overcrowded. I feel the proposed system looks much better in the examples where there's no eras present (such as the Kanan Jarrus article). I wonder if it might not be time to get rid of the old Eras in the template (do we even know if they are going to be used by future publications?), and instead show only these new canonicity graphics. I realize that is a discussion for another time; merely stating the point. --Imperialles 00:26, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

I think the graphics in the eras template look great, even in my tiny laptop resolution. They're not overcrowding in the instance that several eras are listed, such as with Luke. There's a lot of white space up there, and the gold Legends banner, especially, does probably the most visually dynamic job, more so than the tabs even, of clearly designating a Legends article from a Canon article. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:45, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
- To clarify, my issue was not regarding these new graphics—which are indeed both visually distinct and serve their purpose well—but rather with the era icons. Merely an aside, and something that can possibly be discussed in the future if Disney decides to drop the eras from future publications. It's completely fine for now. --Imperialles 00:55, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
  - I'm not sure they can be dropped from the Legends articles at this point. Unless we want to discard of everything that organized the EU content, the Publication Eras should remain. If Disney wants to keep using this method or not, that is now irrelevant to the ones used in Legends material. Winterz (talk) 01:02, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
    - It may be appropriate to re-design the eras icons to better stylistically match the Legends banner (or to match both banners, should we get Canon eras). jSarek (talk) 20:49, May 3, 2014 (UTC)
      - That sounds like an excellent idea. --Imperialles 20:53, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

As an aside... Cade, could you please import the Wookieepedia Oasis CSS sheets to your wiki so that we can view how exactly the things will look in Oasis as well? We have to remember that 99% of our readers don't use Monobook. 1358 ^(Talk) 11:30, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Turns out that there's some Wikia bug that's not loading the CSS for Oasis on my testbed, so there's nothing we can do for that. However, here's an example of how the tabs look in Oasis. Cade Calrayn 16:42, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

When I'm reading a Canon article, will all links in that article link ONLY to other Canon pages? (in other words, no Canon article will have a link that leads to a Legends article)--Richterbelmont10 ^{(come in R2!)} 19:09, May 3, 2014 (UTC)

Side note: Do we want to categorize source articles by their canon status, as things become more complex? In that I mean source articles with the Legends tab or icon will link to Category:Legends sources, and vice versa, or something similar. -- Riffsyphon1024 15:12, May 5, 2014 (UTC)

Vote 2: Banners

This section is an archive of a community-wide discussion. This section is no longer live. Further comments should be made in open discussion area or a new section rather than here so that this section is preserved as a historic record. The result of the debate was Support implementing banners in eras template. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:15, May 10, 2014 (UTC)

Vote 2: Users from Jedipedia have created a set of banners that will be used in the tab template; these were originally designed for use in the Eras template to display "Legends" or "Canon" depending on the page. I propose we implement these in the Eras template. The images are shown below, and are also visible on the test pages from the first vote.

The Eras template will be tweaked so that Legends will display by default on all pages, though including "canon" as one of the parameters will display Canon instead. The template will also not display either banner on real-world articles (other than video games, novels, etc) or non-mainspace articles.