Wookieepedia
Advertisement
Wookieepedia
Forums > Senate Hall > SH:Finalizing the list of Canon and Legends media in WP:CANON

Our Canon policy contains two lists that basically seek to comprehensively categorize which Star Wars products belong to the new Star Wars canon (Canon) and which - to the Legends continuity. These lists are "What is considered official canon?" and "Reliable resources", respectively. Despite the disclaimer that the latter list "is not necessarily comprehensive," it actually does a good job of nearly being one. So basically the Canon policy can serve as an algorithm which a Wookieepedia reader can use to determine whether any given Star Wars product is to be treated for Wookieepedia's purposes as either Canon or Legends.

There are a few problems with that theoretical use, some of which have to do with specific exceptions to both lists. First of all, despite the fact that 1) the end of Legends and the beginning of Canon was announced on StarWars.com on April 25, 2014, and 2) despite the Canon policy noting in several instances that April 25, 2014 is indeed the cut-off point up to which (largely) any released Star Wars media are classified as part of Legends...

...the list of Canon media in the "What is considered official canon?" section states official canon includes "All officially-licensed source material released following the September 2, 2014 novel A New Dawn. Please see below for specific exceptions." So basically, the "New canon" section of the policy actually specifies September 2, 2014 as the cutoff point for the classification of SW media, not April 25 (which is only mentioned once in that section and not really in the same context, either).

Secondly, despite the stipulations of the policy, there are several Star Wars sources out there that were released before, during, or after the April 25-September 2, 2014 window and which Wookieepedia has historically treated as Canon or Legends on a case-to-case basis. I've attempted, to the best of my knowledge, to list any such outlier works not covered by the Canon policy in several tables here. In these tables, I've noted the release dates (or release date windows) for these works, their current de facto Canon/Legends classification, and any applicable notes on contradictory policy wording or relevant decisions by the Wookieepedia community as to their continuity.

With any of these works, the Wookieepedia reader may run into some cognitive friction as to why their classification is either not covered by, or even is contradicted by, the Canon policy. Ideally, I'd like to see the Canon policy updated to finally serve as a comprehensive list of Canon and Legends media types—or, for a better choice of words, a comprehensive algorithm that would unambiguously sort any Star Wars product into either Canon or Legends (or both, where applicable). This could involve updating the two lists, "What is considered official canon?" and "Reliable resources", with specific exceptions, as well expanding the "What about...?" section in which we already note the continuity status of SWTOR, FFG products, and Build the Millennium Falcon issues.

I'd like to hear any and all feedback on this, whether it's on specific products I may have omitted from the tables, or on what course of action should be followed for any specific product that's already list, or any ideas on how to best approach this from a procedural viewpoint, i.e., create a Consensus Track thread for each of these products/types separately or do them all together etc. Imperators II(Talk) 14:18, 22 October 2021 (UTC)

Discussion[]

Very well-written! You presented this incredibly well and I don't really have anything to add other than listing a few titles/series you missed in your table.

I included the Rebel Heist and Legacy comics in my list as well. I'm aware they're mentioned on the current policy page already (as is Rebels supplement material in a general sense), but I think if we're going to be comprehensive and list every exception, these should be listed in your table as well. FFG has already been discussed at length previously, so I've omitted any FFG-related material from my list.

Additionally, you listed The Star Wars in the "Canonical with respect to Canon and/or Legends," it should be in the "Non-canonical" section. Dentface (talk) 01:19, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

  • Thanks for the feedback, Dentface! Good catch on Star Wars Journeys, The Star Wars, and the Shakespeare stuff (specifically since the last book of its OT trilogy falls into The Window™). I've added Phineas and Ferb, too. Jedi Academy was already listed and AFAIK we're treating it all as Legends. And regarding the Rebels stuff - the goal of the tables themselves isn't to create a perfect replacement for the current policy wording or to serve as official Wookieepedia list in any capacity - it's just a handy list of stuff that needs to be added to the policy. And so, like you said it yourself, the "The Star Wars Rebels television series and its supplementary source material" line of the policy covers it well enough. Same goes for Legacy and Rebel Heist imho. Imperators II(Talk) 07:24, 25 October 2021 (UTC)

Good points, Imp. As far as I'm aware, Canon narrative sources began with Star Wars Rebels and A New Dawn. However, the Star Wars Workbooks began releasing in June of 2014 and I would argue those are canon reference works, so to speak. Also, Star Wars Journeys: The Phantom Menace was released three days before the April 25th announcement.

I think you've done a great job with this! YakovChaimTzvi (he/him/his) ChissAscendancyCanonSymbol.svg (talk) 17:13, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

  • Thanks, Yakov. Note that Son of Dathomir and Commander would also be pre-Rebels Canon narrative sources (not that either my tables or the Canon policy distinguishes between narrative and non-narrative sources, anyway). And yeah, Journey: The Phantom Menace is April 22, but is still used as a Canon source. Imperators II(Talk) 18:37, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Looking through the list you have at User:Imperators II/test6, I believe that Star Wars Journeys: The Phantom Menace should not be considered Canon since it was released before the announcement of Canon's existence even happened. Stuff like Star Wars Comic UK Volume 7 I can see an argument being made for certain stories from it, however I believe that things that series that begin their publication before the existence of Canon should be classified as Legends throughout their entire production run. There are exceptions to that (like long-running magazines such as Star Wars Insider, Star Wars - The Official Magazine, Star Wars: Force Collection, The Official Star Wars Fact File (2014), etc.) but I believe that should be the basic rule.

Exceptions not already established somewhere in the guidelines (in your list):

However there are various things in your list classified as Legends that should undoubtedly be labeled as Canon. Many of the non-canon books don't make much sense to be labeled as Legends as opposed to Canon (non-canon Canon (what a weird classification to think of)). Here is my list of them from your list:

Advertisement