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181st Imperial Fighter Wing/Legends is a former Featured article. Please see this article's entry on the Inquisitorius page for the reasons it was removed.

Article milestones
Date Process Result
May 7, 2008 Featured article nomination Success
June 14, 2008 Featured article by Havac
November 14, 2010 Featured article review Kept
December 12, 2010 Featured article
May 28, 2012 Featured article review Removed
August 7, 2012 Former Featured article
Current status: Former Featured article

Saber Squadron[]

The 181st (or at least its lead squadron) was, as of the Battle of Endor, called "Saber Squadron". So says the CCG. Karohalva 17:19, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

-Saber squadron is menitioned in the first paragraph as being one of the squadrons in the 181st, presumably the lead squadron (1/181st). In the comic book, the squadrons are either referred to by number (1/181st, 2/181st, 3/181st), and at one point, Fel orders Phennir to lead Beta squadron in a rearguard action. Presumably, the squadrons are Alpha, Beta and Gamma, and Alpha squadron is Saber squadron; perhaps Beta and Gamma also have weapon designations.--TIEDefenderPilot 07:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Official insignia?[]

Is there an insignia for the 181st fighter wing? I was going to make a userbox for them as a counterpoint to the Rogue Squadron box, but I didn't want to assign a random image to it, and using the standard Imperial icon wouldn't be specific enough. Jwebb13HoloNetSith Emblem 05:36, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

-No, there is no insignia. Other than stripes on their TIEs, their flight suits, and their dress uniforms, there's no other insignia or symbols for the 181st.--TIEDefenderPilot 07:10, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

It's the 18st TIE Interceptor Squadron; they're the best of the best![]

Wasn't the 181st in the original Rogue Squadron? That's not listed as one of their appearances, but I thought they showed up in that obnoxious mission where you had to defend those Y-wings while they Ion Cannoned the ships trying to escape whatever planet that was. --68.248.236.114 17:27, 21 June 2007 (UTC)

-That was the 128th TIE Interceptor squadron, led by Kasan Moor. Actually, if you pay attention, the first Rogue Squadron game was basically the comic books and the novels combined, but set in the pre-Endor era: the 128th was the 181st, Kasan Moor defecting to the Rebels was Baron Fel, Moff Seerdon seizing Thyferra was like Ysanne Isard, and so on.--TIEDefenderPilot 04:10, 22 June 2007 (UTC)

Legacy Era[]

The Legacy Era Campaign Guide makes no mention of which side the 181st served, merely that Gunn Yage had been a part of the unit prior to taking command of Skull Squadron. This could easily have been before Krayt's coup; the simple fact is that we don't know and the precedent I've seen on this wiki is that we can't assume. 181stAce 16:37, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

  • The LECG is "set" around 137 ABY -- the discussion is in the "present" of the comic unless otherwise stated. So references to the 181st serving on the Rim refers to the status quo under Krayt's Empire, not Fel's. Furthermore, Gunn Yage is a young woman. Unless she's in her late twenties or early thirties (when all evidence points to her being closer to Cade's age, about 21), her piloting career would not include any significant period of service under Roan Fel. Krayt's coup wasn't yesterday; it was seven years before the rest of the comic. If Gunn Yage is under 25, she wouldn't have spent any time serving under Roan Fel. In short, there's really no reason to think this was under Roan Fel at all; it's incredibly unlikely. So your making the incredibly unlikely, completely unsupported opposite assumption that everything referred to happens in the reign of Roan Fel in the name of "no assumptions" is baffling. Havac 19:35, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Word Usage[]

I pointed this out in my edit comments but since that was disregarded, I'll reiterate it here. Refering to the 181st as a "flight group" is incorrect. "Flight Group" refers to the four-craft subdivision of a squadron. A "Fighter Group" is a three-squadron unit consisting of starfighters, making that the more correct term. Furthermore, the follwing sentence is grammatically incorrect. "When Jagged Fel, son of the unit's former commander, become Emperor, the 181st served in the revived Fel Empire." Remove the phrase "son of the unit's former commander" and you'll see why. It makes the sentence read like this: "When Jagged Fel become Emperor, the 181st served in the revived Fel Empire." Become should be changed to became. 181stAce 16:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

  • A "flight group" is not, by any standard I can find, a formal term. A "flight" is a formal term, but not a flight group. I was using it in the name of having some variety rather than overusing "fighter group" -- and "a three-squadron flight group" should hardly confuse anyone into thinking I'm talking about a four-fighter flight. Also, the sentence isn't "grammatically incorrect" -- it's the victim of a simple typo. You don't have to justify fixing a typo. So I'll keep the typo fix and see if I can't find a word you find less confusing. Havac 19:38, 8 July 2009 (UTC)
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