Talk: 501st Legion/Legends

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Force Unleashed

Shouldn't the Second battle of Kashyyyk be added to the list of battles section? Since in the Wii version of the force unleashed, the stormtroopers have the 501st colors --JediCommando 17:13, 30 December 2008 (UTC)

• The quote, "We left as heroes. Years later, we would return, as conquerors." from the Journal of the 501st, implies the 501st invaded Kashyyyk after the Battle of Kashyyyk (Clone Wars). The only discrepancy I find is I dont know if the quote refers to the Battle of Kashyyyk (Imperial Era) or the Second Battle of Kashyyyk (Imperial Period). --Bron Hañda 06:55, 1 March 2009 (UTC)
  • Second, the first one was only months after the clone wars one. omg i left the youngling on the bus 02:02, 12 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Yeah, I have an image of stormtroopers with the 501st colors. -- Grievous7318 20:53, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

File:501stWiiTFU.jpg

Not sure where this image could go in the 501st article.

Canon

Is this canon? It is said that the 501st fought at battles like the Battle of Kashyyyk (Clone Wars) and Battle of Utapau and the Battles of Felucia and Mygeeto, when in the movies and novels, those battles happen at the same time. Mecenarylord 00:36, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

• It was detachments, divisions, companies and squads that fought concurrently in separate places. 501st was pretty big, you know. Mauser 09:46, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Thank you. Mecenarylord 13:45, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Thats not what it was. the specialized detatchment would go in get the job done then leave. the guys that fought on felucia had left by the time they were needed at kashyyk. and the game says they were recalled from kashyyk to courosant to attack the jedi temple. in other words, theey moved around a lot. —Unsigned comment by HK-47 rebuilt (talk • contribs).

The no-editing rule

We should edit that article. Lift the edit-ban on all semi-protected articles immediately. —Unsigned comment by 70.241.25.91 (talk • contribs).

• Uh...no. Chack Jadson ^(Talk) 02:02, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
  • In what way does it need editing? -- I need a name (Complain here) 12:54, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

"Trooper" not in 501st

I think we should remove the non-canon bit about the stormtrooper who wanted to defect in the Tales comic Trooper (comic) and remove the aforementioned comic from Appearances. Because I'm pretty sure he wasn't in the 501st. Battlefront II established that all members of the 501st up until Hoth were Jango Fett clones (the Journal clearly says that the 501st Legion remained purely Fett clones, while non-clones and other templates filled other ranks). Since not all the stormtroopers who boarded the Tantive IV were Fett clones (evidenced by the trooper who spoke to Vader while he choked Captain Antilled), there were more stormtrooper groups than just the 501st at that battle. The Trooper from Trooper (comic) was therefore probably not in the 501st and so info about him should be removed. Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith 20:02, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

• Battlefront II identifies the troopers on Tantive IV as belonging to the 501st. Chack Jadson ^(Talk) 12:56, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
  • No, it identifies that 501st troopers were present at the battle. It does not state that ALL troopers present at the battle were of the 501st (and other materials, like the Episode IV movie, establish that at least SOME troopers there were not of the 501st Legion). There's no proof that the trooper in Trooper (comic) was with the 501st Legion; he may have been with one of the other groups present at the battle. Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith 13:48, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
    • That's what I thought, but was told otherwise on IRC. Anyway, the thing is, Daine Jir, who is not a Fett clone, is part of the 501st. BFII is wrong, evidentally. Chack Jadson ^(Talk) 16:58, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
      • Ok, thank you. I didn't realize that the line from the 501st Journal (which was the main point of my argument) wasn't valid anymore (I don't read Insider). Since there are confirmed individuals that were not Jango Fett clones in the 501st at the time of the attack on Tantive IV, then there is a good chance that the Trooper was a member of the 501st (and, by extension, all stormtroopers who participated in the attack, even the recruited ones). I guess the journal entry I was referencing was written after the Kamino uprising but before the attack on Tantive IV. Thank you. It's good to learn :) Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith 19:04, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
        • The trooper from Trooper (comic) was the one shot by Leia from ANH right? If so, then there is a Wizards of the Coast card which has a photo of him and the group of stormtroopers he was with, and confirms that they are a squad of clone troopers. Thus it couldn't be canon, since this stormtrooper was a confirmed clone by the trading cards. Hanzo Hasashi 22:06, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
          • Very interesting. Is there a link to this card anywhere? Chack Jadson ^(Talk) 22:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
            • Yes, https://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=swtcg/cardlist/anewhope. Go to card 160, Stormtrooper Patrol. This will finally be proof once and for all that Trooper (comic) is NOT canon. Hanzo Hasashi 22:15, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
              • How do you know that the trooper in the comic is one of the one's on the card? Chack Jadson ^(Talk) 22:20, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
                • I didn't read the comic, but it is about the one who is shot by Leia, and the card shows an image of that group of stormtroopers he was with, as well as himself. It was a still from the film, and it was a screenshot of him and the two other troopers he was with (in the film, he's the one in the very front). Hanzo Hasashi 23:13, 8 April 2009 (UTC)
• I've put a note in the article saying the canonicity of the comic is in question. Chack Jadson ^(Talk) 23:18, 8 April 2009 (UTC)

It's ambiguously canon, like the rest of the Tales 1-20, right?—B-Boba Fett! He'll kill us all! 22:55, October 6, 2009 (UTC)

Denal and Echo?

Ok why did you take Denal off? On the back of the Bobblehead it clearly states that he is a member of the 501st.And if were going to have Fives we minus-well have Echo.--Fisto-Arsix 22:38, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Vandal

Hey is that Vandalism in this article?-Boba fett 32 01:47, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

• No, sections of the article are in the process of being rewritten and expanded so it can maintain its status as a featured article. The lists and other stuff near the bottom of the article should be replaced with proper prose soon. —Master Jonathan^{(Jedi Council Chambers)} 01:57, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

I beleive Boba fett here is refering to the non-Wikipedia article format near Command structure and equipment. It definitly doesn't look like it's to Wookiepedia's standard. Luke Danger 21:22, October 20, 2009 (UTC)

• It's in the process of being rewritten. And please don't use Wikipedia formats here; they are different than ours and hold no relevancy. CC7567 ^(talk) 23:43, October 20, 2009 (UTC)
  • Okay, so all that "This is where I talk about the command structure and the like..." stuff are notes that for the article's coming update and not somebody randomly adding stuff?--Bella'Mia 07:30, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
    • Yes. Please be patient for Chack to finish it before going in and editing stuff. CC7567 ^(talk) 07:54, October 29, 2009 (UTC)
      • Okay, cool. No problem. Just wanted to make sure everything was legit. Thanks, CC. --Bella'Mia 09:29, October 29, 2009 (UTC)

Forming

"Some troopers of the not-yet-formed 501st Legion fought in the Grand Army of the Republic..." But it was formed before the Battle of Geonosis. It just wasn't the elite legion.--Kreivi Wolter 19:24, November 20, 2009 (UTC)

header error

Titling of the section "Post galactic civil war" is incorrect. I think I will find something to change it too, if anyone has objections, make up your own name, but as it stands it is incorrect--99.148.26.78 20:58, April 1, 2010 (UTC)

Imperial Commando

okay peeps help me out here. the clone commandos ( Darman Skirata, Niner Skirata e.t.c. ) from the republic commando series by karen traviss become imperial commandos in Vader's Fist. yet there is no mention of them in this article or the Vader's Fist article. is there a reason for that? - Echostorm —Unsigned comment by 69.229.127.14 (talk • contribs).

Leaders

I was not under the impression that Rex was a leader of the 501st. Is there any confirmation that he leads the 501st? brightfur (Questions or comments) 21:17, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

• It was confirmed that he was the commanding officer of Torrent Company, the core unit within the 501st Legion. There is nothing, however, to suggest that he was in command of the entire legion itself. JRT2010 13:28, September 9, 2011 (UTC)
  • Generic sources like Rex's Databank entry, the Star Wars: The Clone Wars: The Visual Guide, and a multitude of others state that he was "in command" of the 501st. Sources like the 501st Databank entry and the Star Wars: The Official Starships & Vehicles Collection 35 specifically established that Rex and Skywalker were "permanently assigned" the core group of the 501st, as mentioned above, but they do not necessarily dispute the fact that Rex led the 501st Legion, so we treat him like he's the overall leader until a source says otherwise. CC7567 ^(talk) 03:08, September 10, 2011 (UTC)

501st Battalion

In most, if not all of the TCW-related sources, the 501st is mentioned to be a Battalion. I think it should be mentioned somewhere in the article. It seems, during the early stages of the war, they were only a battalion, and later they were promoted and boosted to a legion. I know it is speculation, however, we cannot ignore the fact that they are called Battalion in -AFAIK- every TCW-related source. Darth Morrt 18:09, October 30, 2011 (UTC)

• Well I didn`t catch that 501st is mentioned to be a Battalion until the Battle of Umbara, but even this is not totaly confirmed. In the Battle of Umbara(episode Darkness on Umbara) it was just mentioned by Skywalker to his jedi friend Kenobi, his exact words were "Does my battalion have to do everything" because Kenobi demended that Skywalker`s battalion attacks the local militia or the capital of Umbara would never fall. The battle for capital was probably assignment of Kenobi`s taskforce under his commander Cody. So Anakin`s "battalion" doesn`t necessarily mean that 501st is a battalion. This paricular battalion could just be a unit within 501st Legion and this battalion has never been named so far. It could be quite possible that just an element of 501st Legion was present in that battle. Like Cody`s 212th Attack battalion is mentioned several times in the TCW series to intervene but it would be strange if whole 7th Sky Corps(within which is 212th battalion) would be present in one battle. —Unsigned comment by Ventilator86 (talk • contribs).

chameleon effect

has anybody else found it rather strange that obvious members of the 501st, morph into unmarked troopers, as in downfall of a droid 6rosalina 11:33, April 18, 2012 (UTC)

The "new" 501st

Should the "new" 501st created by the members of the Hand of Judgment have its own article, as it is obviously completely separate unit, with its own founders and philosophy toward the aliens? As far as we can tell based on the newest novel by Timothy Zahn the 501st which produced troops like Su-mil and the rest of the folks from the Empire of the Hand was not so much a revival of the old unit (after it got pretty much decimated at the Battle of Endor), but a different unit that had born several years before the old one died. They both shared the ideology of being the best of the best, but they were trained in different ways and what Thrawn wanted from his new unit was exactly what "the old" 501st resisted: aliens among the ranks of stormtroopers.--Dionne Jinn (Something to say?) 19:34, September 25, 2012 (UTC)

Republic Commando Novels: 501st

The final installment in the Republic commando series (Order 66) states that the 501st was created during the war as part of the extra forces the Chancellor prepared in anticipation of order 66. The first one of these units they encountered in the novel was the 14th Infantry, and both the 14th and the 501st (as well as an unidentified number of unnamed forces) are described as fresh troops with an accent that has nothing Kaminoan, which is later confirmed as they discover these armies (along with a navy of "thousands of battleships" was prepared on another planet (the name eludes me for the moment). According to the writer, these troops saw their first action at the Battle of Coruscant, at the very end of the war?

Any ideas how to handle this? Peralta (talk) 21:18, October 22, 2012 (UTC)

• The 14th Infantry wasn't part of the 501st, and that the non-Kaminoan clones were entirely different than the 501st. Bella'Mia (talk) 21:38, October 22, 2012 (UTC)