Talk:Barriss Offee/Legends

Death

Barriss Offee was blasted on Felucia? I don't recall seeing her with Aayla Secura and Commander Bly. Was that in the novelization? --SparqMan 11:49, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It's in my brother's comic (which contains many deleted scenes) so it's probably official. It also has other scenes that were described in the online screenplay but didn't make it into film (such as Vos) --Fade 12:09, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Which comic is it? The ROTS one? Interesting that Offee stayed on Felucia after being rescued by Bly and Secura. --SparqMan 12:53, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • photo bucket dot com )/albums/v119/Made2Fade/cover.jpg; that's the cover photo bucket dot com )/albums/v119/Made2Fade/death.jpg; that's the panel. She doesn't appear to have those odd tattoo things, though, but the clothes seem to indicate it's her. (Dodgy webcam quality, I know) --Fade 13:05, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • It's Offee, we see a similar scene in Reversal of Fortune. She stayed on the planet to help prevent Shu Mai's scheme to commit genocide on Felucia. Tam 18:54, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)

• Hm. In the movie, someone is blasted by an AT-TE (I don't recall who, may have been Offee), but it wasn't on Felucia. I think that was just that panel below the Secura one. --SparqMan 14:19, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)
• I don't remember anyone wiped out by an AT-TE in the movie, only Aayla, Mundi, Koon, Zett and a bunch of other nameless Jedi dying. There are TE's in the background in the Aayla scene, though --Fade 14:27, 6 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Prolly Obi-Wan, who gets blasted by Cody's AT-TE. Tam 18:54, 21 Jul 2005 (UTC)

DVD? Oh, there are 2 different death scenes of barris. One is in Reversal of Fortune, the other in Star Wars episode 3. Wich one is canon?--wattamb2000

• • It's the same death scene. They're both canon. And stop asking these inane, rubbish questions. QuentinGeorge 12:57, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)
• Found it out, Reversal osf Fortune is Canon, found it out on the battle of felucia article--wattamb2000
• what if she survived? i mean... quinlan vos survived, and he was shot by an AT too!

and barriss was a great healer so she maybe even used those healing skills to prevent her death?

• i seriously doubt that Barriss survived, as it was shown in the star wars ROTS dictionary that she did die with Aayla on Felucia...i believe that is what u would call canon.... - Master Sage

how do we know that it's canon? and in the image of her death scene in the comic it looks like she jumped —Unsigned comment by 66.25.156.236 (talk • contribs).

• If it's a licensed Star Wars source (which yes, it is), it's canon. Additionally, other sources have confirmed her death. CC7567 ^(talk) 18:51, April 15, 2010 (UTC) let me ask you two things, do you like her character? how do you know that it's licensed? TELL ME THE TRUTH

so many questions so little answers —Unsigned comment by 66.25.156.236 (talk • contribs).

BirthDate

Where does this birthdate come from? It makes her younger than Anakin, which I don't believe is the case. Is it from The Approaching Storm or the Medstar Duology? QuentinGeorge 23:23, 27 Aug 2005 (UTC)

• It says in The Approaching Storm that Anakin and Barriss are around the same age.StarNeptune 08:42, 1 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Sloppy continuity

• After traversing through all four Visual Dictionaries, I've found some rather sloppy continuity: namely, the fact that the Mirial Barriss Offee is identified as having Chalactan tatoos on her face (I've added this to the front page). What gives? Is Chalacta a religion now? Cutch 05:21, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
  • Nope...it's just as you said - sloppy continuity. QuentinGeorge 05:23, 27 March 2006 (UTC)
    • ... and we have to deal with it, or retcon it, or whatever. Cutch 05:28, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Lightsaber style

OK it says she is a master of Form III. But in her main picture you can see her in stance of form IX with the horizontal lightsaber. can we find another pic or change the info? JediLibrarian66 21:02, 1 August 2006 (UTC)

• According to the ROTS Visual Dictionary, that stance she is using in the picture is called Kai-kan. The MedStar Duology specifically names her as a Form III practitioner. StarNeptune^{Talk to me!} 00:08, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

knighting

wasnt she promoted to Jedi knight in Clone Wars. I'm reading Medstar now, but i thought she was a knight by that time... Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 17:22, 24 April 2007 (UTC)

She was actually promoted to Knighthood after her mission on Drongar, as a support healer for RMSU 7 while trying to find who was smuggling Kolto for the black market —Unsigned comment by 141.156.211.174 (talk • contribs).

Slightly unorthodox view of the force

Should the article mention Barriss' seemingly unorthodox view of the Force? In Jedi Healer, Barriss says that "light side" and "dark side" are only words, and that the force itself is neither good nor evil. This point of view seems very similar to the Potentium and "Gray" views of the force and seems unorthodox compared to the traditional Jedi view. Her view of the force seems much closer to the potentium and gray jedi views than the traditional view. Additionally, Barriss said that power alone doesn't corrupt, but instead fuels the corruption the already exists in a person, an idea that seems very similar the potentium view that light and dark sides resided in the individual, not the Force itself. Is Barriss somewhat unorthodox view worth mentioning in the article? 141.154.188.192 23:18, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

The article already has debated neutrality, so it would be challenging to do it without making it worse. Descarus (talk) 12:56, May 31, 2015 (UTC)

Various continuity

The current article states that "Barriss remained in partnership with her former Master until the end of the Clone Wars", which we know isn't true. The official Databank says that "Offee and Unduli often operated separately during [the Clone Wars], such as when Unduli was stationed on Kashyyyk and Offee on Felucia. I am not a splendid editor myself, which is why someone else should correct this as soon as possible.

Also, why is there no reference to her being stationed on New Holstice (as shown in Clone Wars Volume 3: Last Stand on Jabiim), serving as a healer? Someone please add this to the article. ~~grobiano~~

dudes

i think she was cool!!!and ahh..she died and i was thinking she was one step closer to be ranked a Jedi master (well to me because she was a gifted padawan to her master) and yet she must be her good student a sister daughter figure to her-Boba fett 32 03:48, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

The Clone Wars

I know that she was mentioned to be on Geonosis during the clone wars in Cloak of Darkness, but is there any source that she appears in season Two? Cad Bane Owns 19:25, October 10, 2009 (UTC)User: Cad Bane Owns

• There is now: http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/33507491#33521328 And she's clearly referred to as a padawan. Is that right? Gry Sarth 19:57, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

No powers and abilities or personality and traits

The writers have done no proper description of Barriss' powers and abilities or her personality and traits. They've mentioned some stuff about these things here and there in the biography but they haven't put a section on her personality or her abilities. —Unsigned comment by 87.112.23.125 (talk • contribs).

• Then you're welcome to make an account yourself and edit it if you think you can do a better job. CC7567 ^(talk) 23:39, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
• The last two paragraphs of the section Personality and traits should be rewritten. It's obviously not written in from neutral point of view and is also too speculative to be considered objective.--46.236.112.143 17:58, November 10, 2013 (UTC)

Knighthood

was she a padawan when she teamed up with Ahsoka or a knight. I know that Luminara called her her padawan. but that could just be from where she was her padawan. obi-wan stilled called anakin his padawan from time to time after his knight hood

• Padawan, according to the episode guide. We can assume that MedStar (which shows her becoming a knight) takes place after this episode. Also, please sign your posts with four tildes. (~) Zakor1138 23:48, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

Conflict?

Just what is the conflict between Chapter 14 and The Clone Wars? Zakor1138 23:50, November 11, 2009 (UTC)

• There are timeline discontinuities between the two series'. Minxy 20:33, November 14, 2009 (UTC)
  • Really? Was it stated in Chapter 14 that Barris became a knight? Just cause Luminara said "your training is complete" doesn't mean that she is knighted. It could mean that her lightsaber training is complete. Zakor1138 20:10, November 15, 2009 (UTC)
• Barriss was still a Padawan in MedStar, which is still almost universally accepted as taking place well after the events in Chapter 14 or the TCW episodes. She is still a Padawan. Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith ^{-Just shy, not antisocial: You can talk to me!-} 18:27, November 20, 2009 (UTC)
  • In other words, "There is no conflict!" Mauser^Comlink 12:17, November 21, 2009 (UTC)
    • Wait a minute… the Star Wars Miniatures Ultimate Missions: Clone Strike book confirms that Luminara's statement, "Your training is complete." did, in fact, refer to her Jedi training. Quote from page 76: "But as fate would have it, Jedi Master Luminara Unduli has brought her Padawan Barriss Offee to Ilum to complete her training. As Luminara recites the Litany of the Lightsaber to her Padawan, Barriss Offee uses the Force to assemble her lightsaber. With a characteristic snap-hiss, she activates the lightsaber she has built, and her training as a Jedi is complete." (emphasis added) —Master Jonathan ^{(Jedi Council Chambers)} 16:25, July 18, 2010 (UTC)

Yup completed training, however completed training does NOT equal being a jedi knight. You still got the trials to go through,. And what exactly does "completed training" mean, does it mean that she has mastered the very basics in understanding the force? What part of her training was complete. This is just one o those examples of people triyngto create continuity errors were tehre are none to further hate on the clone wars. IF you are going to hate something, hate it for good reasons. Like hate me because i talk in paragraphs, and dont know how to use a shift key ralok 01:39, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

It's a similar situation to what Qui-Gon Jinn said to the council about Obi-Wan. "There is little more he can learn from me". With that in mind, we can just assume that Barriss Offee has just learned all she can from Luminara, the reasoning behind why she says that her training is complete perhaps? That's how I review the situation. Masters can believe that they successfully trained a padawan, however they must go through the trial process, for the council to allow a padawan to be knighted. --JimminyTi 21:08, October 5, 2010 (UTC)

Flip-Flopped Articles?

In the article,it puts Bariss becoming a Knight on Ilumm in between the first and second battles of Geinosis. In the Clone Wars series however,she is shown as a padawan in the second battle of Geinosis. Should the articles be switched or left like they are? —Unsigned comment by 66.194.108.2 (talk • contribs).

• She doesn't become a Knight on Ilum, so there's no problem. -- I need a name (Complain here) 22:56, June 20, 2010 (UTC)

When you put it that way,I have to agree.

More Pictures?

Just wondering if we should put more pictures of Barriss in her article. I will do that if you guys think it is okay! User:Carrieunderwoodfanforlife 21:48, July 15, 2011

Category:Padawans?

I was wondering, would it make any sense to make a category like this for characters who are primarily exposed to us as Padawans, like Barriss and Ahsoka are? I guess it might be overkill since all Jedi were once Padawan (so we'd have to tag Anakin, though not Vader) but it seems like it might be useful or something. Ty 17:55, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

• It would be overkill in this case—even though characters may be "primarily exposed" as Padawans, we still describe them in their final role, which is usually a Knight or Master. CC7567 ^(talk) 21:12, August 14, 2011 (UTC)

Lightsaber

So i am reading medstar II now, and in it BArriss says that she has kept her lightsaber since she built it at the age of 16. Which equals a conflict with the Clone Wars episode on Ilum. Any thoughts?--Tetsu Aero 13:39, October 4, 2011 (UTC)

• I believe Leland Chee mentioned this conflict in an entry for Ask Lobot, though he didn't provide a resolution to the conflict. CC7567 ^(talk) 02:51, October 7, 2011 (UTC)

NickName

Is it important to note the nickname "Dependable Barriss that Ahsoka gave her? Like how it mentions that Anakin is called Annie by his Mom and Padme. Matt Seay (talk) 19:49, February 21, 2013 (UTC)

Wait until Saturday

I know there's good evidence that Barriss is behind the temple bombing, but until it is revealed explicitly, please don't edit the article to say that she was—at least for now, that's still fanon. Tomari7 (talk) 04:13, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

• There is no need for this. The article is now semi protected against anon IP vandalism. JangFett ^(Talk) 04:15, February 26, 2013 (UTC)

Changes in light of "The Wrong Jedi"

I'm not going to detail any spoilers from "The Wrong Jedi," but in light of that episode, it appears as though all material regarding Offee in the timeline directly leading into ROTS will no longer be considered canon, as was the case with Adi Gallia and Star Wars: Obsession, and Even Piell and Coruscant Nights I: Jedi Twilight. However, I ask that until we know how to treat the old information, that major changes not be made to the article. Leland Chee will probably release a statement somewhere to clean up the mess, so we need to have patience and wait until then before we make an even bigger mess. CC7567 ^(talk) 12:51, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

• Since we already have the case of Quinlan Vos, I truly think that, with a (quite bad) retcon, there is always possibility for her to return to the Order. With all the hypocrisy that come along with.--Le Passant (talk) 14:20, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
  • Actually from the series Quinlan Vos never joined the CIS, and since Barriss is not mentioned or seen in ROTS, then they can change her fate—so it's very unlikely that she'll return to the Jedi Order. We'll just have to wait for later sources to explain this discrepancy. Darth Pythonis ^(Talk) 19:27, March 2, 2013 (UTC)
    • There is nothing in TCW about Vos that exclude his previous background.--Le Passant (talk) 22:17, March 2, 2013 (UTC)

Someone asked on Leland Chee's Facebook page about the issue, and Chee clarified that nothing in the episode showed she wasn't still a Padawan. It therefore seems prudent to assume that the MedStar novels take place before the Season Five finale and can still be considered canon, but there isn't any word about what to do about Reversal of Fortune, specifically her tutelage of Zonder. CC7567 ^(talk) 00:33, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

• I don't seem to be able to find any subtitles to confirm, but Anakin shouts something just before following her out the window. It's a little bit indistinct, but sounds an awful lot like "Padawan!" to me in cadence, at least. --Redwolf25 (talk) 16:53, March 8, 2013 (UTC)

I'm wondering, should she have "Dark Jedi" added to her affiliation as happened with Pong Krell? The article even says that she fell to the Dark Side. 138.87.141.18 05:02, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

So, how do we source the link? I'd use FacebookCite, but there are multiple posts on there, so I can't just go with that route. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 18:34, March 3, 2013 (UTC)

Why was the ambiguously cannon banner removed? I feel like the Order 66 section needs to be isolated. It doesn't make sense for it to directly follow her betrayal without any sort of "heads up". Can you not see how this could be potentially confusing? I think that banner needs reinstated. LordoftheDew (talk) 02:43, March 9, 2013 (UTC)

• Please wait until more information is released. We do not decide what is canon or not. JangFett ^(Talk) 02:49, March 9, 2013 (UTC)
  • I'm not saying anyone should clarify its cannocity. That should go without saying. What I am saying is that the article requires some sort of "partition" separating it so that the flow of the article is not interrupted, and no confusion is caused. We may know how proticol works with cannon, but we shouldn't assume everyone will. The article should be written in a way that even a non fan could read it and not be confused. Some sort of buffer between the Order 66 information and the previous information is needed if only to preserve the integrity of the article. Besides, it may be some time before we are given any clarification of the cannocity of that information at all. Leaving the page in its present state should be undisirable. If not "Ambiguously Cannon", I propose a banner reading "The Following Information is in Dispute", or something of the like. LordoftheDew (talk) 04:02, March 9, 2013 (UTC)
    • Look at the {{Dispute}} template. JangFett ^(Talk) 19:20, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
• I think that we should delete her section of order 66 and change the character info box saying that she didn't have a Padawan.—Unsigned comment by 31.52.132.168 (talk • contribs).
  • I agree. Darth Hill—Unsigned comment by Darth Hill (talk • contribs).
    • I don't agree with that. JangFett is right when he says the wiki should should not make judgement on what is cannon. The information shouldn't be deleted but those who read it need to be alearted about the despute of its validity. And Jang I know the template is there, but laymen has no indicator of what information is in question. A good article is written with the idea that the reader has no prior knowledge on the subject. Something needs to precede that specific section. LordoftheDew (talk) 00:59, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
      • How about we just leave things the way they are until we have definite confermantion the stuff about Order 66 isn't canon. Just to be safe. :)--Jet Twilights (talk) 03:22, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
        • Yup,G-Canon trumps all. Sochwa (talk) 14:48, March 12, 2013 (UTC)

I'm sorry guys, but I am shocked that you haven't removed the information about [Barriss Offee] and [Order 66]. In [The Wrong Jedi], it was made clear that whoever had done those crimes should be executed immediately. Ahsoka was about to be given the death sentence, before [Anakin Skywalker] arrived with Barriss. It's in the background, but she dies. And, she isn't part of the [Jedi Order] anymore as well. If Ahsoka was banned, she would certainly be banned as well. --Ahsokanerd (talk) 13:57, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

• Do not be sorry, because I, for one, am "shocked" to read that your personal appeal for The Clone Wars makes you think we should remove that part of the article despite the fact that no clear and official confirmation has been given. Leland Chee has only offered ambiguous answers on the matter until now, so it's not going to change until the problem is solved through a clear-cut statement. I grow tired of Clone Wars fans thinking that the whole Star Wars universe should bow and crumble before that series everytime continuity is inflected. Please be patient and wait for official confirmation, as we all do. --LelalMekha (talk) 14:07, April 3, 2013 (UTC)

Wait a sec...

I am confused, if she betrayed the Jedi, why was she not expelled from the Jedi order? It says that after this she remained in partnership with Luminara and was killed during Order 66. I mean could she have redeemed herself in some way? I don't get it. -Hitmanagent47

• No one does; we're just putting in everything we explicitely know about her until someone from Lucasfilm issues a retcon or declares something noncanon. Tomari7 (talk) 23:42, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
• The show's producer and story writers decided to disregard the previously established storylines, as has been their habit, and the issue has not yet been resolved. No official statement has been made on how the pre-existing information will be affected. Cade Calrayn 23:43, March 13, 2013 (UTC)

Barriss Offee's Death

I don't know why Wikipedia is saying she dies on Felucia, but she doesn't. Since she turns evil she obviously isn't killed in Order 66.—Unsigned comment by YaraelPoof11 (talk • contribs).

• Since Chee, or anyone official, hasn't mentioned anything yet, the comic is still canon. TCW may have contradicted a lot of material, but that does not invalidate canon that comes after it. Also we are not Wikipedia. JangFett ^(Talk) 18:42, April 1, 2013 (UTC)
  • I personally would go so far as to say that in the year (or two) between The Wrong Jedi and Revenge Of The Sith, she was rehabilitated or otherwise came to her senses. The Jedi are all about forgiveness. And if she TRULY regretted everything she'd done during that Clone Wars story arc, and taken steps to atone for it, the Jedi Order might have seen fit to put her back in the field. It would be a good way to keep her betrayal and her Order 66 death BOTH in the canon.—Unsigned comment by 121.223.6.21 (talk • contribs).
    • Unless you have a source that claims this, we cannot speculate. We can't clean up TCW's garbage, sadly. JangFett ^(Talk) 01:40, August 8, 2013 (UTC)

Unless we missed something, Barriss had most likely been pardoned by the Republic and allowed her to serve once more in the GAR. It's as if she wasn't in control of her crimes or something. Like she was brainwashed during a mission. How else would it explain her inevitable fate on Felucia? Lord KOT (talk) 16:47, January 10, 2014 (UTC)

• It’ll presumably never be resolved officially now, but in my own head-canon I work under the assumption that she was somehow never completely free of the brain worm’s influence. Before being executed, some scan or something was done and it was determined that she wasn’t responsible for her actions. So then there would have been some period of despair and reconciliation for her before fully returning to the Order and receiving a Padawan. Given how much this particular TCW change bothered me, I spent a lot of time thinking about an alternative explanation. (Incidentally, almost that exact arc, brain worms and all, has since been used for a character on the sci-fi TV series Falling Skies.)174.236.33.155 18:43, October 12, 2014 (UTC)
  • Yes, they wouldn't pardon her without some extenuating circumstance since they were all ready to convict Ahsoka. I respect your ability to solve this in your head.

Affiliation

Since she became a Dark Jedi and turned to the dark side, should "Dark Jedi" be included in the affiliation with the source being "The Wrong Jedi"? I think it should because, per Bruck Chun's Dark Jedi listed in the affiliation, she turned to the dark side.Dark Lord 21 (talk) 12:07, April 24, 2013 (UTC)

Near-Human status

The behind the scenes section says that Mirilians are near-human, but not part of the human species. Luminara Unduli's article says the exact opposite (i.e. that near-humans ARE part of the human species). Clearly one of these articles is wrong. I'm inclined to say Unduli's article is the one that's wrong. If no one disagrees, I'll go ahead and change it there. McJediProbie (talk) 02:51, January 23, 2014 (UTC)

Obvious Error

It says that Barriss was born in 40 BBY and died in 19 BBY. That would make her 21. It says 16. Can anyone fix this error? —Unsigned comment by 70.73.154.236 (talk • contribs).

• Here, 16 is not her age when she died. It's the date in the Great ReSynchronization calendar. --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 18:37, September 17, 2014 (UTC)