Knights of Ren as their own faction?Edit

Why are the Knights listed as their own faction? As far as I'm aware, they were loyal to Sidious up until the very end. --IndyRevolution (talk) 16:21, January 21, 2020 (UTC)


I’m pretty sure that the people in the audience were Sidious's Sith Loyalists. In the Darth Sidious article they are mentioned as being Sith Loyalists. (thought this may be incorrect)

Live Long And Prosper. 🖖 Commodore LM (Write To Me!) 🖖 17:31, December 20, 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure. When I saw the film, as far as I remember, the chanting audience seemed to just vanish upon Sidious' death, like they were mere ghosts kept present by his sheer influence. Or am I remembering it wrongly? Timjer (talk) 17:38, December 20, 2019 (UTC)

Number of StarfightersEdit

What's the source for the number of starfighters in the infobox? Seems too precise if its just counting from movie scenes. Plume Tray (talk) 16:46, December 22, 2019 (UTC)

  • I've prefixed "At least" to the numbers for now. Plume Tray (talk) 17:15, December 22, 2019 (UTC)
    • I've uploaded this screenshot of the resistance fleet from TROS for reference, I've marked on the image each starfighter count, hopefully it's self explanatory. I counted the following: 7 X-wings, 7 Y-wings, 9 A-wings, 6 B-wings. Plume Tray (talk) 22:07, January 21, 2020 (UTC)
      • That shot isn't from the final movie. I would recommend to just wait until its home video release to confirm the number of starfighters. --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 23:06, January 21, 2020 (UTC)

The Mandalorian and the Razor CrestEdit

Is it actually confirmed in the film or another source that it's definitely him and his ship in the battle? Currently the infobox is citing the film as the source but how can you tell - it could be another similar ship? Plume Tray (talk) 22:15, December 22, 2019 (UTC)

  • Nothing in the film says it, until its confirmed in an official source its pure speculation --Lewisr (talk) 22:18, December 22, 2019 (UTC)

Knights of RenEdit

Can we remove Knights if Ren as their own faction? Having them as a third column on a mobile device really affects the legibility. Random00021 (talk) 21:13, March 2, 2020 (UTC)

  • Unfortunately, we cannot list them under the Sith Eternal for this is not said explicitly in any official source. However, on this train of thought, the Knights simply confronted Ben Solo, and were not participating in the battle of Exegol waged between the Sith and rebels. Just as the War on Shu-Torun occurred concurrently with the Galactic Civil War yet was not a part of it, the Knights of Ren should not be considered as to have participated in the battle of Exegol. I would remove them as their own faction but keep information regarding their separate interruption of Ben Solo's approach to the Sith Citadel throne room, yet I would wait for more people to weigh in on this matter before we make this change that could affect all the Knights of Ren articles. - - -CIS roundel OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 21:29, March 2, 2020 (UTC)
      • I like that idea, remove them so it's just two columns but address it in the article. My main issue here is usability on mobile devices (specifically phones) and has nothing to do with the content. It's near impossible to scroll down the list with three columns. Unless I hear something to the contrary in the next week or so, I'll go ahead and make the change.Random00021 (talk) 15:30, March 12, 2020 (UTC)
        • So the Knights of Ren just so happened to be in the clearly highly guarded area near Palpatine and the Sith rock concert waiting for Ben who just so happens to be on the same planet as them despite his trip being last minute, especially with the Kylo Ren comics pointing out that Snoke/Palpatine had a heavy influence on them, even for Star Wars it's a bit of a coincidence that they were there and not with Palpatine/the Sith externals. Possible I guess but unlikely.JohnWilliamsMovies (talk) 01:50, March 15, 2020 (UTC)
  • Nothing says the Knights of Ren were on the side of the Final Order. Even if they're on the side of the Sith and/or Darth Sidious, (should this possible scenario be established by an official source) no existing official source could confirm the speculation that the Knights were affiliated with the Order. - - -CIS roundel OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 09:48, March 15, 2020 (UTC)
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