Talk: Celestial/Legends

the article Centerpoint Station says that the Killiks claim to have built it. This article says that the Killiks claim the Celestials built it. Someone fix the contradiction MoffRebus 23:30, 10 Dec 2005 (UTC)

Connections

Hmmm.... The Celestials have links everywhere. Centerpoint, the Sharu, Maw, the Rakata. Could they be related to Vuffi Raa's creators? Or the Starweirds? Rodtheanimegod4ever

• You know fans. They think everybody was the hyperspace aliens. -- SFH 05:30, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
  • I think the "Hyperspace Aliens" were actually Jacen Solo. I have a massive convoluted theory (still under construction) that uses Jacen Solo's time-travel powers to explain everything and then some, from the Yuuzhan Vong's technophobia to the origin of the Sith to the history of the Borg to the exile of the Dark Overlords of the Universe to the birth of Sauron. —Darth Culator (talk) 05:48, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
    • Best Batman quote ever. CooperTFN 06:50, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
      • Morgoth = Hyperspace Alien? OMIGOD!!! QuentinGeorge 06:52, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
        • Ha, I came here to comment on the Batman quote; though looks like someone beat me to it :-) --Azizlight 06:57, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
          • Erm, where is it? 72.228.255.171 05:48, 6 July 2006 (UTC)
          • Anyone think it's possible that the Yuuzhan Vong Gods are the Celestials? Lord Malice 16:39, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

The starweirds may infact be the celestials or were the celestials may be they became star weirds no one knows.Sgt Sprinkles 18:12, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

I do not believe that a re-direct would be a good idea.

I do not think that the Celestials were the same species as the Architects. Perhaps the Celestials were the masters of the Architects who were the masters of the builders who were, of course, the Rakata.

• I agree. The Celestials were a very powerful extra-galactic race. The Architects were a very powerful intra-galactic race. Both are similar in nature but definitely not the same. 20 August 2006
  • Who told you they are extragalactic? MoffRebus 21:08, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
    • To quote the original Essential Chronology: "Pre-Republic history is incredibly ancient and notoriously difficult to research. At some point in this ancient era, the Corellia System was artifically created, providing evidence that our region of space was once visited by stunningly powerful architects, who may also have been responsible for the unlikely cluster of black holes near Kessel known as the Maw'. It's the wording that confirms it, 'visited our region of space', that's the proof they came to our region of space(the galaxy) amongst the cosmos(the universe). It doesn't say 'visited our region of the galaxy', if it had then the Celestials would be intra-galactic having come from another region of the galaxy. That's the proof. 21 August 2006.

• I believe the celestials were the species that stripped the Rakata of their force sensitivity, and im sure others do as well, and if its true they cant be one and the same....Kardo Sett 10:40, 25 August 2006 (UTC)

• • • It doesn't matter what we believe, or suppose. We should only have the bare facts and in-universe supposition - which should be marked as such. It would be a bad idea to merge this with architects, we don't know they are the same species. HavetStorm 16:50, 31 October 2006 (UTC)

Vuffi Raa

Perhaps the Celestials are Vuffi Raa's creators.

Language consistency

I altered extra-galactic to exo-galactic,to keep it consnsitent with endo-galactic,Endo and Exo are both Greek prepositional prefix analogs of the Latin intra and extra - inner and outer. Sochwa 00:26, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

yea, but I have always seen it as extra-. There is even an article about this term MoffRebus 00:54, 15 December 2006 (UTC)

Does anyone remembrer...?

I believe the book was called The Crystal Star. We were introduced to the Dark Jedi Lord Hethrir and the mysterious Crseih station. The most interesting resident of said station was Waru, a mysterious being of incredible power. He could revive the dead and unlock Force potential in normal people. Given this considerable power, it is quite possible that he and his people were the Celestials. Perhaps this should be mentioned in the discussion? Shaz 12:53, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

• There's nothing within the books that suggests Waru was a celestial. Speculation like that can't go into an article unfortunatelyHavetStorm 18:37, 12 February 2007 (UTC)

The Celestials are the Rakata.

While reading the timeline of events in the back of The New Essential Guide to Alien Species, it says the following:

"Rakata are credited with building Centerpoint Station…"

―The New Essential Guide to Alien Species, page 218

Although it goes onto say that the Maw was in the Corellian system, it appears that the Rakata and the Celestials were one in the same. Of course, "Centerpoint Station", in this case, could have meant the Star Forge. In addition, there would be a contradictions of dates, as the book says Centerpoint Station was created in 35,000 BBY, as opposed to the date in its article. Thoughts? —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 18:11, 26 July 2007 (UTC)

• The may be credited with this as a means of simply ascribing credit. Remember, there is a Killik claim to the Centerpoint's creation. You do bring up a good point, however. The Rakata would have been ruthless enough to exile the Killiks to the Unknown Regions, possibly as slave labor, or such sometime during their prime. While these two were the most advanced species of the time that we know of - keep in mind that there could be another species (possibly still in existence and hiding in the UR or Wild Space or beyond the Galaxy) that controlled or manipulated events leading up to the Infinite Empire. Master Aban Fiolli ^{(Alpheridies University ComNet)} 14:07, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Of course. I just wanted to bring to everyone's attention what The New Essential Guide to Alien Species said. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 15:52, 9 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Not to bring up an old argument, but the new article on SW.com that discusses the various Superweapons mentions the Star Forge made by the Rakata and then mentions Centerpoint Station elsewhere and still says it was built by unknown aliens who never left the instruction manual behind. So I'd say that's one more strike against the Celestials being the Rakata.--74.134.250.170 22:58, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

If the Rakata had created center point station and knew how to work it, then they would be able to re-arange and destroy whole star systems at will and they would have no need for the star forge, or at least no need to glorify it as the greatest thing that was ever designed in the universe. I think the Rakata occupied center-point during their dominance of the galaxy when they held many star systems, but were unable to use it to its full potential.--99.141.199.96 16:11, March 6, 2010 (UTC)

Responding to the first topic, you have to keep in mind that many books between the years of 2000-2009 are VERY INCORRECT! It is to old for anyone to search up much anymore, and to modern to be clamped down on. Too many people have had over-active imaginations and desided they're going to write a book about Star Wars and that they have no idea what their talking about. They get all their ideas from the games, movies, and comic books. If you look in The Essesntial Guide to Vehicles, you will see that the only TIEs they have are from the movies and games. TIE Fighter: SWE4, TIE Advanced x1: SWE4, TIE Bomber: SWE5, TIE Interceptor: SWE6, TIE Defender: Empire at War; FoC. DO you get my point? Keep your mind on the fact that THE NEWEST BOOKS are the things that are correct. SUCH AS the Fate of the Jedi series—Unsigned comment by 151.213.52.252 (talk • contribs).

SW:TOR?

Well, since the Rakata stuff was close to the period of time SW:TOR is going to be in maybe Bioware will release something about the Celestials? Just a thought. —Unsigned comment by 122.61.94.10 (talk • contribs).

• It's possible there might be some reference to the Rakata or Celestials, but the "Rakata stuff" in question was actually thousands of years before to events of KOTOR and TOR, so the new game is no more likely to have Celestial references than any other EU work (and probably less likely than Fate of the Jedi, in my opinion). Dangerdan97 01:07, September 11, 2010 (UTC)
• Finally! Someone else also believes that FotJ might have a chance of having Celestial material. For the record: I believe that Celestials WILL be mentioned quite a bit in FotJ finale.—Unsigned comment by 151.213.52.252 (talk • contribs).

The Ones?

Okay, so...according to Apocalypse, The Ones from Mortis are actually the Celestials, right? Just clarifying; I haven't yet obtained the book myself and it's a little unclear.--The Shadow Emperor 19:38, March 14, 2012 (UTC)

From what I heard, its a bit ambiguous on the Celestials and Ones connection. Its said that the Ones are what Celestials become and the Thuruht hive claimed that no mortal mind could comprehend them or their intentions. So, I don't think there has been a big revelation on the Celestial front. Darth Batrus 13:22, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

• I haven't read the book personally, but the recent changes on "The Ones" seem to make clear they are (or they were) Celestials. Shouldn't we merge "Force wielder" with "Celestial", then?--LelalMekha 13:08, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
  • No, it shouldn't be merged. The exact quote is "the Ones are what the Celestials become", and when the Jedi asked Thuruht to explain, they said that they couldn't - it was the only way that they knew how to say it. Until we get more information, and their connection is less vague, they should stay separate. —Cade Calrayn 13:31, March 22, 2012 (UTC)
• Interpreting the quote from Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse, the Ones are some sort of mystical/spiritual elite to the Celestials - like enlightened members that ascended to Gods. Abeloth manages to ascend from mere "servant" to "Mother" of the Ones' family and gets corrupted by the gain of status and power. In easy words: for the Celestials, the Ones may be what are Jesus or Buddha to us.Dutah (talk) 14:33, July 10, 2012 (UTC)
• The new Star Wars Blog article on Centerpoint Station has confirmed The Ones are indeed Celestials! As relieved as I am to finally have the mystery unraveled, though, I must say I find that a blog doing it is a touch anticlimactic, no? Rod (talk) 04:46, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
  • This is so unsatisfying. This is what the blog says:

The architects had a stepmother of sorts named Abeloth, a being similar, but not quite as powerful as the Celestials. Unfortunately, Abeloth had been driven mad in a bid for power, and for the good of the galaxy, would have to be imprisoned. Since no known prison could hold beings of the architects’ power, the Son and Daughter were forced to construct one. Centerpoint Station was to be the tool that built the prison.

So, the Celestials and the Ones are the EXACT same thing? I mean, it would be one thing is the Ones were a specific family of Celestials, ones who ascended onto become "Force-Wielders", but this? It makes no sense. If the Celestials were so powerful with the force, then how did they die out? How did their Rakatan slaves manage to beat them? And why did the Ones survive but not the rest of their species? Does that mean there used to be many users as powerful as the Ones at a certain point in time? Or is this saying that the "architects" are just that one family of the Ones, who are only similar to the celestials? I hope it's the second one. (User:Agent es

Architects

• The article states that the Celestials are also known as the Architects, but according to page 240 of Apocalypse, the Architects are actually the Son and the Daughter. So should these references to the Celestials and the Architects being the same thing be removed? NighthawkLeader 11:29, March 23, 2012 (UTC)

Merge with Force wielder

Now that the Legends continuity is officially closed off, I think we can discuss this serenely at last. According to Galactic Architecture 101 and the History of Centerpoint Station, "the Killiks did not design [Centerpoint Station], they were working on behalf of two Celestial architects known as the Son and Daughter of Mortis." Throughout the available sources, the Son and Daughter are referred to as Force wielders and Celestials. That, combined with the Thuruht hive's belief that the Ones were "what the Celestials become," proves that a Force wielder is an evolved Celestial. The two articles should be merged. --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 13:09, January 18, 2015 (UTC)

• If they're something the celestials evolve into, where are all the other evolved celestials? The Ones seem unique. I think they might have been the only celestials to have surpassed into being gods. Agent Es 1 6, 2018

Lando Calrissian and the Mindharp of Sharu

Can anyone tell me where in "Lando Calrissian and the Mindharp of Sharu" there are references to the Celestials? -- Frank V Bonura 18:13, April 12, 2015 (UTC)

This is unconfirmed. In "star wars the clone wars" season 3 episodes 13-15 there are three characters that are not Sith nor Jedi. They are incredibly strong in the force, and call them selfs creators. Its a little family where the dad stands between the two kids. The girl is of the light side and the boy is of the dark side. The strength and the way they talk makes me believe they are of the celestials.