Talk: Clone Wars

Infobox

Is the infobox image supposed to be that size, such that the infobox takes up the entire space and you have to scroll down to get to the main content? I ask only because it's apparently been like that for several months, if not since the article was created. ProfessorTofty (talk) 17:18, August 30, 2014 (UTC)

• What are you referring to? I see no problems here. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 22:07, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
  • The infobox image is (at last for me and probably the user above) 650px wide instead of the 300 it should be. Gulomi Jomesh (talk) 22:27, August 30, 2014 (UTC)
  • P.S. Fixed now. Gulomi Jomesh (talk) 20:10, August 31, 2014 (UTC)

Shadow Collective in the infobox?

Should the Shadow Collective be kept in the infobox? I get that they were an actual fighting force which battled the Separatist a couple times as well as the Republic once or twice, but I personally am not sure they deserve a spot in the infobox. In the grand scheme of the war, the Shadow Collective didn't really matter a great deal, and was not one of the main players at all (they weren't even formed until years into the war, and they began falling apart before the war's end). Cevan (talk) 20:44, September 6, 2015 (UTC)

• I would support its removal. It was a player in the conflict, but the Clone Wars were a series of battles fought between the Republic and the Confederacy. We shouldn't add every third party who came into conflict with the Republic and Confederacy into the infobox, especially when there's no clear indication that it was acting as a full-fledged galactic combatant and not an underworld organization that would have come into conflict with major powers regardless of the war. Otherwise we'd have to add the Nightsisters, Ohnaka Gang, Death Watch, Hutt Cartel, and Black Sun separately, all of which lasted longer than the Shadow Collective and engaged both the Republic and the Separatists.Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 20:36, October 6, 2015 (UTC)
  • The Shadow Collective did engage the CIS on multiple occasions and fought the Galactic Republic at least once. - AV-6R7^{Crew Pit} 20:42, October 6, 2015 (UTC)
    • Personally, I would be willing to support its removal, I only expanded on it since it already existed, and I figured I might as well while I was working on the box. I understand the CIS and the Republic engaged the Shadow Collective in a few battles, but as User:Dark Lord Trayus mentioned, the Ohnaka Gang also fought at least one battle against the CIS on Florrum. Does that mean that the Ohnaka Gang should be added as a fourth faction? Regardless, I'll leave the decision up to my more seasoned fellow Wiki Users. Ultimately, I don't think that its presence ruins the quality of the article or anything, hence why I not only didn't say anything, but expanded it. But, I also definitely see the very valid argument that its presence adds absolutely nothing, and takes away from the true reality of the conflict between Republic and CIS.--Salociin (talk) 22:38, October 6, 2015 (UTC)
      • I'm simply saying that having giving the Shadow Collective a slot in the infobox implies that they were one of only three distinct groups/factions who performed combat engagements in the war, which is not true. There were many more than three, and if we're not going to include all of them (which we obviously shouldn't), then let's stick to the two primary combatants in the war. This wasn't a three-way conflict and the Shadow Collective isn't any more special than the Ohnaka Gang just because it's Darth Maul's thing. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 04:15, October 13, 2015 (UTC)
        • The Shadow Collective ended up incorporating several third-party factions that fought in the war, including Death Watch, the Nightsisters (in the form of Mother Talzin), and several other criminal elements, while the Ohnaka Gang, while nominally aligned with the Galactic Republic (and I say that in the loosest sense of the term), tried to stay out of the conflict. - AV-6R7^{Crew Pit} 05:19, October 15, 2015 (UTC)

An edit I made

Hey guys I edited the list of major battles to include the Battle of Ringo Vinda (from the Star Wars: The Clone Wars episode "The Unknown"). I am not very knowledgeable when it comes to editing wikis so I don't know how to cite. If anyone else could cite that however is appropriate, that would be really good. Thanks in advance—Unsigned comment by 220.253.29.224 (talk • contribs).

Done. Thanks for the addition. -- Dr. Porter (Talk|Contribs) 12:35, April 24, 2016 (UTC)

WIP

Really nice job, CC7567! Just one thing: in the section on the Battle of Geonosis, you listed the Republic having AT-ATs instead of AT-TEs. I'm putting this here as to not interfere with the WIP.--D9328 (talk) 00:42, August 21, 2016 (UTC)d9328

Placement of Dark Disciple and the Kanan comic

Since this has been the source of some confusion/opposing viewpoints, I thought it'd be best to explain why the Kanan: First Blood story arc begins before Dark Disciple.

• In Kanan 7: First Blood, Part I: The Corridors of Coruscant, Depa Billaba wakes up from her six-month coma and regains her seat on the Jedi High Council.
• In the first chapter of Dark Disciple, Billaba appears in holographic form during a High Council meeting.
• Kanan: First Blood begins several months before the end of the war, whereas Dark Disciple starts toward the end of the war's third year and spans several months. So, there's clearly some potential for overlap between the general time frames of the comic and the novel.

However, the fact remains that Kanan 7 must occur before Dark Disciple. If the opposite were true, then Billaba would be out of her coma and back on the High Council (as per Dark Disciple), before she even wakes up from her coma (as in Kanan 7).

If anyone is still confused, I'd be happy to explain further. Nevertheless, the fact of the matter is that Kanan 7 precedes Dark Disciple, so our articles need to reflect that. CC7567 ^(talk) 06:48, October 7, 2016 (UTC)

• First off, thanks for bringing this up! Secondly, this sounds nice and all, but Kanan #1 states that Bilaba woke up merely a "few months" before Order 66. The way I interpret this is that Bilaba is active nearly three years into the war (Dark Disciple), she enters her coma soon after, she wakes up six months later (Kanan #7), and then the months into Order 66 occur. - Cwedin^(talk) 06:59, October 7, 2016 (UTC)
  • Alright, I'll concede that your interpretation of the timeline is plausible, since it's possible that Billaba doesn't enter her coma until after Dark Disciple. I'll go ahead and make the adjustments to place Kanan after the novel. Nevertheless, I do want to point out that there are two (potentially competing) versions of the timeline leading into ROTS—one that has Dark Disciple beginning toward the end of the war's third year, and another that has Kanan beginning a few months before the war ends. Without explicit clarification from Lucasfilm, there isn't a perfect solution to this issue. CC7567 ^(talk) 07:15, October 7, 2016 (UTC)
    • Yeah, without knowing the exact length of the war, this debate is impossible. In Legends it lasted three years on the dot (in which case your interpretation is correct), but Canon is pretty undefined. I've heard that Star Wars: Galactic Atlas contains a chronology, so hopefully that'll clear things up. - Cwedin^(talk) 07:23, October 7, 2016 (UTC)

Only 26.3% Chance of a Republican victory at the time of ROTS

Canon: “Near the end of the war Separatist droids significantly outnumbered Republic units. By my calculations our probability of being defeated was only 23.6 percent.” ―Kalani's extensive calculations on the droids victory against the Republic

In think Star Wars rebels Season 3 Episode 5 gave us a very important canonical information about the Clone Wars.

And I am wondering if it isent worth a mentioning in the clone wars article.

With most of EU information about the Clone Wars gone General Kalanis word is one of the few canonical information of the OVERALL state of clone wars by the time of ROTS. So with the Republic only having 23.6% Chance of winning the clone wars they were actually not in a clear winning position. Though it is still canon that Palpatine prolonged the war and made sure no side would achiev a victory I think this statement makes it even more clear how much Sidious made sure that the Droid Army wasent used effectivly.At least there are no real canonical informations left anymore which depicts the Republic as clear winner of the War as the Clone Wars series surely only showed the famous republic victorys aka those were Anakin and Master Kenobi were present.And that some of the Outer Rim sieges were going well. (ROTS)

Missing Information

While most of you probably know this,I'd like to point out that the Year 3 section of the war has very less information. Events in Star Wars: The Clone Wars (TV series) seasons 3-6, Star Wars: Kanan and Dark Disciple take place in the 3rd year of the war and thus need to be documented here.Harshg (talk) 07:25, December 25, 2016 (UTC)

As you can see from the article's history section, CC7567 has been hard at work updating the page with information from The Clone Wars, but he hasn't got to season three as of yet (which is understandable). -- Dr. Porter (Talk|Contribs) 10:39, December 25, 2016 (UTC)

The Last Battle

Any plans to add in the incident seen in Rebels episode "The Last Battle"? Rex himself stated he considers it the true final battle of the Clone Wars. --RemingtonV (talk) 02:45, April 1, 2017 (UTC)