Talk: Code of the Sith/Legends

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Origins

Though it might originate far earlier, we know this Sith Code was in use by the time of the Jedi Civil war, shouldn't there be a mention of it in the article? [[]]JC

What about this code of siths' philosophy found on wikipedia ? where have I to put it ?

   Fear leads to anger.
   Anger leads to hate.
   Hatred leads to power.
   Power leads to victory.
   Let your anger flow through you.
   Your hate will make you strong.
   True power is only achieved through testing the limits of one's anger, passing through unscathed.
   Rage channeled through anger is unstoppable.
   The dark side of the Force offers unimaginable power.
   The dark side is stronger than the light.
   The weak deserve their fate.
       –tenets of Sith philosophy

Wikipedia is not a verifiable source and the Sith Code was removed - Alainbloch 02:10, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Can someone source this? "Some have speculated that the Code of the Sith was created in direct contrast with the Jedi Code, to illustrate the fundamental philosophical differences between the orders."^[source?]

Behind the Scenes?

I don't have any kind of "source" for this, but isn't it possible that the Sith Code and the Sith philosophy, especially as portrayed in Knights of the Old Republic, is some sort of Star Wars interpretation of LaVeyan Satanism?

Check the according Wikipedia entry [1] - a lot of beliefs mentioned there can be perfectly applied to how the Sith philosophy was described by those teaching at the Sith Academy on Korriban. LaVeyan Satanism supports personal growth and individualism which is mirrored in the Sith's constant search for personal power. LaVeyans favor hedonism over self-control just like the Sith who embrace their "passion" and unlike the Jedi who restrain and conquer them. Both LaVeyan Satanism and "Sithism" propose some kind of social darwinism, a survival of the fittest/most powerful.

The nine Satanic statements, as they're listed on Wikipedia, can easily be applied to Jedis and the Sith, for example the fifth one, which states "Satan represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek" - exchange "Satan" with "The Sith" and you can pretty much sum up most beliefs held by the Sith.

I really don't know if this is mentioned elsewhere - I've checked some articles and couldn't find anything, so I'll simply assume it isn't included yet and thought I might as well mention it here.

By the way - I actually liked the way Knights of the old Republic tried to support the "bad guys" with a philosophy instead of simply portraying them as outright evil and therefore think this influence/parallels should be considered, just because it introduces some sort of "depth" that is somewhat rare when the antagonists of the Star Wars universe are discussed.

For those interested: the Code of the Sith was written specifically for KotOR by David Gaider of BioWare. He did so by basically reversing the existing Jedi Code and complementing it with a Sith philosophy he also wrote for that game, partly inspired by Mein Kampf. Now you know. --Koveras Alvane (talk) 15:58, January 21, 2014 (UTC)

Darth Krayt Version?

Wasn't Darth Krayt the one who added "The force shall set me free."? If so, shouldn't it be mentioned that he changed it? —Darth Malevolous^{(Through power I gain victory.)} 23:45, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

No Darth Bane used it too around 1000 BBY.Der3000er 18:01, May 5, 2010 (UTC)

Code time-line

There is no peace, there is anger There is no fear, there is power There is no death, there is immortality There is no weakness, there is the Dark Side

This is the real code to me because it was the original code for the Order. I believe it can be found this way in the Dark Side Source book from Wizards of the Coast. and it's in the book Darth Maul: Shadow Hunter which I believe is "B" cannon and used by Darth Maul himself.

I have the Shadow Hunter book and that code was not in it. The Shadow Hunter book repeatedly brought up the Jedi Code and some teachings by Sidious but it did not include a Sith Code - Alainbloch 02:13, March 28, 2011 (UTC)

Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion, I gain strength. Through strength, I gain power. Through power, I gain victory. Through victory, my chains are broken. The Force shall free me

This is a code found originally (I believe) in KOTOR and the point of the code being in this format wasn't because it was better, but because it was a question and answer test in the Sith Academy. It was meant to build dynamically in a dialog situation. It more mirrors Yoda's warning to Anakin Fear Leads to anger, Anger to hate ... Which is not Jedi code but Jedi Wisdom. I never felt it held up as the opposing mirror image of the Jedi Code that the old Code was.

So in my opinion the new code although more universally accepted it an untrue and inaccurate version of the Sith Code used in the days before the Sith Order got the discipline that Bane gave it.

Bane used this exact Sith Code in his teachings to Rain. It is the correct Sith Code - Alainbloch 02:13, March 28, 2011 (UTC)
About 3000 years before Darth Bane, this same code is used in the game KOTOR, by Bioware. Drew Karpyshyn, author of Darth Bane, used the code from KOTOR. In his book he thanks Bioware for their help.

The Sith Code (annotations by Darth Dendory)

Peace is a lie. There is only passion. Conflict is the only constant in the galaxy. Every animal, every being, is driven to conflict, to defend their territories and resources. Peace is imposed upon species, and rejected by every instincts.

Through passion, I gain strength. Anger makes my blows stronger, Love makes my conquests meaningful. To deny emotions is to deny the most basic building blocks of all living things.

Through strength, I gain power. When war comes, and it always does, only through strength can one have the power to survive. When all else fails, the one who remains on top is whoever can keep power from everyone else.

Through power, I gain victory. Victory through concessions or treaties is no victory. The true, ultimate victory is when all who oppose you are no more, and only through power can you achieve true victory.

Through victory, my chains are broken. Sharing power with the weak does not strengthens them, it only weakens you both. Only through complete victory over your enemies will you be completely free.

The Force shall set me free.

"Set me free" or "free me" ?

"Darth Bane: Path of Destruction" quotes the last line as "The Force shall set me free", but the Code's first appearance in KotOR uses "The Force shall free me". The former version is on the "Code of the Sith" page, but the latter is on the "Sith Order" page. Has either version been verified as the correct one in a third canonical source?

Drew Karpyshyn, author of Darth Bane, must have thought it sounded better as "The Force shall set me free".

I agree with whoever thinks the KOTOR version sounds better. Mmwa (talk) 20:11, March 2, 2017 (UTC)

Peace is a lie, there is only passion.

Through passion, I gain strength.

Through strength, I gain power.

Through power, I gain victory.

Through victory, my chains are broken.

The Force shall set me free.

In the the Clone Wars

Part of the sith code was recited in the TCW episodes "Altar of Mortis" and "Brothers". "Brothers" is in the appearances section but not "Altar of Mortis". The Son in his prison creature form recited part of it after he released Ahsoka from the chains. Someone needs to put "Altar of Mortis" in the appearances section. I can't do it because I'm only a wikia contributor. --71.212.200.240 16:14, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

None of this is confirmed. Speculation has no place in articles. JangFett ^(Talk) 23:39, March 12, 2012 (UTC)

No, the son did not say it in Altar of Mortis. Nowhere in the code does it say "The chains are the easy part, it's what goes around in here that's hard" It does appear in Brothers, however. Maul said all of the code except for "The force shall free me". Instead he said the same quote as the son, which is a reference because Sam Witwer played both characters. --User:Darkjedi55 (Comlink) 06:45, April 2, 2012 (UTC)

Actually, he did. Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GAmO9-_QBR8 JKPwnage (talk) 21:49, October 24, 2015 (UTC)

Code in Kittât

http://i.imgur.com/62RQH.jpg I am unable to upload images due to the status of my account being a n00b when it comes to contributing. However I have been able to piece together a rough version of what the Code would look like in Kittât. If anyone could either upload this for me or better yet if someone with good penmanship could use my version to create a better version would be much appreciated. Also if anyone could look through the image and double check for errors would be amazing. Note: I believe the vowels should be smaller and don't think my version is the right scale for each of the characters. --Doggir (talk) 07:42, September 12, 2012 (UTC)

We don't use fan-made images in articles. Screenshots of official material are OK, but not completely original art. NaruHina ^Talk 08:14, September 12, 2012 (UTC)
Understandable; Still think it would be cool if anyone could proof read my version. As well as possibly make a better copy and upload it to this discussion page for anyone interested (including myself).--Doggir (talk) 22:16, September 12, 2012 (UTC)