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Omen?[]

I've just seen that the sith starship Omen is listed as appearing. Does anyone have a source for this? --Red haired jedi 22:33, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

  • Think someone jumped the gun there. Since Saes is now confirmed, it seems more likely to be Harbinger. Nick Fel 11:27, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Post-41ABY[]

The timeframe for this novel is given as post-41ABY. What is the source for this? Since the summary says the civil war is almost over, it seems likely that it takes place in 41ABY, at least partly. Nick Fel 15:41, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Jaden Korr a Time traveler?[]

Now this is a first...and a laugh! What is up with Kemp turning Jaden Korr into a Time traveler? The Great Hyperspace War was a smidgen over..five thousand years before Star Wars Jedi Knight: Jedi Academy! How can one Time travel in the Star Wars Universe? If my knowledge serves me correctly, people in the Star Wars Universe could go from one planet to another within days by using a hyperdrive instead of months without using the hyperdrive. Obi-Wan Kenobody 19:47, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

  • Firstly: read this article. Secondly: we're discussing here about the article, not it's subject. ShaakTi1138 17:00, October 31, 2009 (UTC)

Jaden doesn't actually time-travel. The Sith ship time-travels. --BobaVett 21:25, November 1, 2009 (UTC)

  • I am referring to the idea thought of by a man by the name of H.G Wells. I completely understand the fact of time traveling from one planet to another in a matter of hours in the Star Wars Universe, it is possible, because that means that the subject would be moving into the future, but if you are wanting the story to stay canon with Wookieepedia and not sway off coarse, then the thought of actually going back to the past is preposterous. I'll tell ya one thing, there will be mixed feelings by those who are extreme Star Wars fans. You can count on it happening. Obi-Wan Kenobody 08:00, November 16, 2009 (UTC)
Nobody goes into the past. The Stih travel into the future--our present. --BobaVett 18:03, November 16, 2009 (UTC)

It is relevant. Saes' flagship's hyperdrive was heavily damaged a small time from its jump, which made it go incredibly fast. It jumped in and out of space, at excessively high speeds, which would make them slide through time. Now think about it like this, in the real world: If an astronaut were to travel at lightspeed for about 45 minutes, decades, possibly centuries would've gone by, because they are traveling in a third party time. ~CYNofficial~ January 17th, 2012

Release Date[]

Are you all sure about the release date, because I ordred it at the store and just got my copy today. It says here 26th but its the 21st. Is this waldens fault or did we not notice a date change? JediShifty 23:38, January 21, 2010 (UTC)

Vomit[]

I am very tempted to mention how often characters vomit in this novel in the behind-the-scenes section. Something like five times. I guess that would just be useless trivia though. Oh well. —fodigg (talk) | 20:15, February 22, 2010 (UTC)

Valin Horn?[]

I just finished reading this novel and I don't remember Valin Horn being mentioned at all. Is it confirmed that he actually is referred to in the book? --Mando1300 19:50, March 20, 2010 (UTC)

I don't remember where it mentioned Valin, but I do remember him mentioned briefly...really just in passing. Something like "if Valin were here". That's all I got, though. No page number. Sorry.Derek Whaley 02:49, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

Continuity problems with established sources on the Sith Empire[]

Did anyone else find large portions of the plot impossible to reconcile with the Kevin J. Anderson comics Golden Age of the Sith and Fall of the Sith Empire? In those sources, it is clearly given that in 5000 BBY, millennia have passed since anyone in the Republic has encountered a Sith threat, and the majority of the Jedi and the senators in Coruscant do not even find a reason to believe the Sith are real. The Sith are compared to monsters under the bed, even by palace guards working for Empress Teta, the one political leader who seiously prepares defenses based on Odan-Urr's Force visions of a Sith invasion.

How can this be reconciled with Saes Rrogon, Sith Lord and Captain of a Sith cruiser, being the former padawan of Jedi Master Relin Druur? How can a passage like the following make any sense?

  • Like most Jedi, he'd studied the available schematics of Sith starships. He knew their layout. And he knew where he was going once he got aboard.

Skipping the issue of Kemp's poor grammar, what schematics of Sith starships? Everything in Crosscurrent that happens in "the past" (nevermind that to someone living in 5000 BBY, that is "the present"), happens prior to the initial sneak attack at the Battle of Kirrek, the first time the Sith had been seen in thousands of years. Did Paul Kemp even read Golden Age of the Sith and Fall of the Sith Empire before writing a novel that is supposed to expand on the events in those stories? Unsigned comment by 98.247.254.89 (talk • contribs).

Continuity problems? Haven't you seen the problems Lucas caused with his new cartoon series? Talk about your continuity problems!
Anyway, you are certainly correct that this is a bit of a problem. The only way I see that it could work is that Saes may have found the Sith Empire a decade or more earlier and Relin followed his Force presence to the planet. I don't remember exactly how the book describes it, but didn't the two Jedi kind of run into the two Sith warships? Or were they tracking them...? I mean, the Sith weren't actually in Sith space, I don't believe; I think they were in some undiscovered system. Maybe the Jedi ran across them earlier and decided to find out who they were and Relin sensed Saes presence. Either way, Saes must have found and defected to (or been forced to join) the Sith at some point before this novel. Just remember that Lucas, Dark Horse and Del Rey/Bantam have never worked as a team properly in their lives. There is no reason to suspect they will here either. I think the authors are all really focused on the Legacy Era and the Lost Tribe of the Sith right now much more than previous Old Republic canon.
Derek Whaley 02:54, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
    • My take is that the previous canon can be attributed to "character opinion". Popular opinion does sometimes diverge from fact. —fodigg BlackRebelStarbird (talk) | 14:04, May 7, 2010 (UTC)
      • The TOTJ comics work on a very broad timeframe. For instance, if you weren't told at the start of Fall of the Sith Empire that it takes place ten tears after Golden Age of the Sith, you'd guess that it was taking place right afterwards. Teta mentions at one point that many Jedi heeded Odan-Urr's warning of a Sith invasion, a warning that was given approximately ten years before the Kirrek assault. In the ten years between Golden Age of the Sith and Fall of the Sith Empire I assume the Jedi did some reconnaissance, maybe there were a few skirmishes on the borders of the Sith Empire (Druur mentions an ongoing war, in which Kirrek would be a fulcrum). That might explain Druur losing Rrogon to the Sith and the Jedi having some knowledge of Sith starships. Also, if it was just the Jedi that were acting on Odan-Urr's prediction then it's somehwat reasonable that the wider galaxy still considered the Sith mythical on the eve of the full-scale invasion. That's the best I can come up with at any rate, readers shouldn't be made to think up scenarios to make a story work. I would agree with you when you say Kemp obviously did very little research. Kaballmo 19:53, May 14, 2010 (UTC)

Lightsabers[]

Are Relin and Drev using Protosabers since the jedi didn't adopt modern lightsabers until 200 years after that? And if so how was he able to throw his saber at the Massasi security guy? And is Saes using a modern Lightsaber since on cover it doesn't show a power cord? Unsigned comment by 72.22.124.129 (talk • contribs).

Wrong Placement in Timeline[]

i started reading this book only to realize that the story actually takes place 41.5 Years after Battle of Yavin. While the story from what i read took place during the sith era i read the back cover and noticed that the stories are to merge but after the battle of yavin. also inside the front cover it is highlighted that is a Legacy Era book.

Valin mentioned is Valin Horn?[]

On page 35 it says that after battle for Centerpoint that Jaden had isolated himself from the Jedi Order, his master Kyle, and Valin. It however does not comfirm that the Valin mentioned is indeed Valin Horn. Is there a source that comfirms that the Valin mentioned is Valin Horn? DarthRevan1173 Revan Headshot (Long live Lord Revan) 01:23, October 18, 2012 (UTC)

What other Valin is in the New Jedi Order?--ARC Commander Colt (talk) 01:50, October 18, 2012 (UTC)
    • None that we know of yet. But since his last name isn't mentioned isn't it speculation to assume that it is indeed Valin Horn. There have been more that one person sharing the same name during the same time period. Without the last name mentioned the Valin could be Valin Horn but it could also be some other Jedi during that time period that's also named Valin. DarthRevan1173 Revan Headshot (Long live Lord Revan) 02:08, October 18, 2012 (UTC)
      • There is precedent, in a sense, for treating a mention like this with suspicion enough for a separate article, though in that case the gap of years was decades. I'd say in this case, considering he's a psudo-future-main character within the invoked time period that would definitely fit in the context, this passes the duck test as a mention of Valin Horn. There is a provision in the attribution policy for this. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 01:44, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
        • This opinion does not preclude reaching out to asking the author about it, which I would at least attempt anyway, for comprehensiveness's sake. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 01:56, October 19, 2012 (UTC)
          • I have emailed Kemp before, albeit it was about something else, but he never responed so I am unsure if I email about this if he would respond, but someone should email him about it. DarthRevan1173 Revan Headshot (Long live Lord Revan) 02:01, October 19, 2012 (UTC)

Red links[]

Someone please create new articles from those red links. I just counted them and there were 36 of them.

Btw, can "red" and "links" be joined to make the word "redlinks"?Unsigned comment by 50.43.44.10 (talk • contribs).

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