I understand what the naming policy is, but this is an instance where I strongly feel an exception needs to be made. Using the name on someone's Star Wars work is much less important than respecting a transgender person's chosen name, especially when the latter is used on all their professional work since coming out. I don't know if there is any precedence for this and I doubt the naming policy was written with this eventuality in mind. I have to say as a transgender person myself, I'm uncomfortable with the current name and find it very disrespectful. We are not wikipedia but their page on their gender identity policy expresses how I feel well, especially the self-identification page. It might not seem like a big deal to someone who is cis and doesn't have a lot of experience with trans issues because he uses his birth name as a middle name, but it really is.
Our current policy ensures fans can easily find the person they saw in a movie's credits or on the cover of their book. Keeping (deadname removed) as a redirect and pipelinking on pages of his work will make sure that's not a problem. The policy wasn't written with transgender people in mind, so we need to adapt accordingly. Toqgers (talk) 06:25, November 5, 2019 (UTC)
- I completely agree with you. It's absolutely wrong to deadname an author just because of outdated Wookieepedia policy that wasn't written to accommodate this. Dscarpa (talk) 19:20, September 15, 2020 (UTC)
"ne Ortberg-Lavery"[edit source]
So, this phrase was originally "ne Ortberg" because his last name, post transition, pre-marriage to Grace Lavery, was Daniel Ortberg. The "ne" in "ne Ortberg" typically refers to someone's name prior to it changing due to marriage. Ortberg-Lavery, however, is the name he took upon marriage, combining his last name with his wife's. This was later shortened to simply Lavery. Therefore, I believe "ne Ortberg-Lavery" does not make any sense. Thoughts? Dscarpa (talk) 15:51, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- To my understanding, it's a bit more complicated than just one name to another and I've gone with what I could source. Though not the first name he used since coming out as trans, he was using a chosen hyphenated name by October 2019 (as seen in The Shatner Chatner cite) prior to getting married. By November 2019, he had reported his father's criminal behavior and disavowed his father's surname, and he married Grace Lavery in December 2019 as Daniel M. Lavery. Thus, I made the "né" change based on what his name was immediately prior to his marriage (as far as I could determine), but I'm aware it doesn't really make sense for how that's normally used and I'm not sure of style rules that apply to this situation. He has been very clear that his father's surname is not his own any more, so I'm reluctant to keep it listed in the article body since it ties him to someone he has rejected. Immi Thrax (talk) 16:51, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
- Replying again to offer these articles from his site which are relevant to the discussion. Immi Thrax (talk) 04:27, 14 April 2021 (UTC)