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What proof is there that Andeddu was even female? -- Riffsyphon1024 06:55, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

  • Aaargh KFanII has been stuffing around with this article too. Darth Andeddu is MALE. In his only appearance, his hologrammatic form is male, and the other refer to him as a he. Case closed. QuentinGeorge 07:13, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
    • Hopefully the pic will shut him up, but I doubt it. QuentinGeorge 08:14, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
      • Oh I think it will, hard to argue with it. -- Riffsyphon1024 08:17, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This is purely speculation on my part, but can anyone else see that his name refers to "undead?"--Dustin Asby 00:07, 6 Nov 2005 (UTC)

  • You're right 'Andeddu' is an anagram for 'Undead', with a leftover 'd'. Should that be mentioned in the article?-----CadmiumX99 20:35, April 14, 2010 (UTC)

Insertion in the Succession BoxEdit

May I be so bold as to suggest that Andeddu be placed somewhere in the succession box for Dark Lord of the Sith as he is obviously from this period what with the new info revealed in the New Essential Chronology. It seems that he has just as much right to be there as Tulak Hord. 216.221.96.201 06:21, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)

    • We haven't heard anything about him because he's only just been created as a character. We heard nothing about Tulak Hord before the KOTOR games were release, remember. Darth Andeddu was a) Dressed like the ancient Sith and b) Buried on Korriban. So, he could very well be pre-Marka Ragnos. QuentinGeorge 01:31, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)


Andeddu and Hord can be pre-Ragnos, as we now know that the Sith Empire was founded 18,000 years later than we'd originally thought, after the invention of the lightsaber. Lieutenant Gerard 01:18, 1 Jan 2006 (UTC)
Couldn't he be in between Nadd and Kun?-user:remoh
I think it should be pointed out that, in Dark Forces: Jedi Knight, the members of the Brotherhood of Darkness are shown wearing the armor of ancient Sith, even though they lived thousands of years later. Although the canonicity of that may be in doubt due to the depictions of the Brotherhood in Jedi vs. Sith. Kuralyov 07:49, 2 Jan 2006 (UTC)

No, I'm convinced now that he is pre Ragnos. He could be post Hord and pre Simus. I also noticed that his name seems to refer to 'undead.' Lets us place him in the timeline.DarthMalus

Yeah, definetely pre-Ragnos, and probably pre-Vitiate. I decided on c. 5000 BBY. LightsideLuke (talk) 15:15, December 6, 2014 (UTC)

  • No canonical evidence for any placement, even vague. Removed box. QuentinGeorge 10:33, 4 Jan 2006 (UTC)
  • Wikipedia's article on him says yes, he was the Dark Lord immediately between Hord and Simus. (Actually it says Hord and Ragnos, guess they just forgot abour Mr. Head-in-a-jar...)
    • Don't rely on Wikipedia for Star Wars information. QuentinGeorge 02:53, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
      • He is pre-Ragnos. It's a fact. The Sith species were whiped out after Sadow's invasion. Now what is most interesting was that both lightsabers of the Red Armored Sith and Darth Andeddu both have lightsabers that do not require power packs.DarthMalus
        • It's not "a fact", thank you very much. QuentinGeorge 03:46, 25 March 2006 (UTC)
          • Oh but it is. The Sith species were hunted down to extinction after Sadow's invasion. Andeddu is pre-Ragnos..DarthMalus
            • Nothing says he's of the Sith species. Lieutenant Gerard 21:44, 11 April 2006 (UTC)
              • Look at the picture. He's a member of the Sith species, thus solidifying his place in the ancient Sith. He was also buried on Korriban, which none past Nadd could claim that.DarthMalus 04:44, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
                • Again, nothing says he's of the Sith species. Lieutenant Gerard 19:05, 14 April 2006 (UTC)
                  • True, he is no Sith, I have a larger version of that picture and he doesn't have the Cheek Fins of the Sith. I think we should remove "sith" from the species thing. We have no idea from where he is. For all we know he may have worn the armour soley for ceremonial purposes. It's his holocron after all. Sauron18 00:15 19 April 1006

Andeddu, pronounced An-dee-dooEdit

  • and i have the comic and the fins are there, and the fact that he had his likeness carved on his tomb. He is Sith species. There are no other possibilities. DarthMalus 21:30, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
  • We know nothing about him other than 1 single pic and some little words of Dooku. I say leave the issue until further sources are given. Species appearance can be confusing, according to Yoda's species article even Yoda was misjudged by others for several times. 1 single picture with no reference of any kind is not good enough for us to presume anything. Darth Kevinmhk 05:34, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
    • By the way, when even Ludo & Naga used Sith swords, Marka used Scepter & Sword, how can an earlier guy used synth crystal lightsaber with no external power supply plus knew how to make a holocron?? Darth Kevinmhk 06:22, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Lightsabers were in use during those days. Remember that many believed or chose a sword because they desired a more visceral feel when they slayed a foe. However there is only one more possibility, if Revan did go and seek out the old Sith Empire, then the Sith species wasn't extinct, thus indicating that Darth Andeddu could be in that time frame, but many sources seem to indicate that the sith species were whiped out, so this Sith Lord may very well be the one after Tulak Hord and Pre Ragnos. His likeness is carved into his tomb, and that clearly indicates that he is of the Sith species. It is possible for there to be synth crystals without power supplies, and he may very well be the one who first discovered it. There is no real answer for that. Afterall the Sith Empire was more advanced and possessed more wealth than the Republic. He would know how to make a holocron from the old Dark Jedi teachings. DarthMalus 17:59, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
        • We did not see 1 single working lightsaber in the ancient Sith Empire, so I doubt they used it at all. Revan, up to this day, still cannot be accounted for, thus his claim still lacks a valid proof. And, as far as I remember I dont see a canonical statement which explain the Sith Empire was more advanced than the Old Republic. Lastly, although many points of yours sound reasonable, but those are just your thoughts, unless his species is already in the Holocron Department, otherwise they are just fans speculation and not canonical facts. Darth Kevinmhk 02:15, 11 May 2006 (UTC)

Oh ok, well here's his tomb and his likeness carved into it. He's Sith. You loose.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c43/Darth_Malus/swonrep63p4.jpg
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c43/Darth_Malus/swonrep63p1.jpg

DarthMalus 02:41, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Regardless, even the articles of Naga Sadow and Freedon Nadd claimed that the Sith species likely extincit with the death of Naga Sadow. Nothing is confirmed yet, especially with his Darth title. I oppose to the insertion until further source can canonically prove Andeddu's active era or retcon the released facts. Why can't we just wait, especially in the BTS section it claims Andeddu will have his opportunities in the futrue? Darth Kevinmhk 05:35, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
    • I'm not placing him anywhere. I'm just saying he is of sith species. What this character's future is, maybe that A.) He is the first Darth B.) That the Sith species was not extinct and that Andeddu is the leader os the Sith Empire Revan left to find. Though as he is buried on Korriban, it seems to indicate he may be pre Ragnos, possibly pre Nadd though that is a stretch, but I was mainly arguing that he is in fact a member of the Sith species, and that apparently whatever his holocron contained, it was of interest to Sidious and Tyranus. DarthMalus 17:17, 18 May 2006 (UTC)
  • Oh, because the whole section title of this discussion was labeled "Insertion in the Succession Box".... :) Darth Kevinmhk 02:22, 19 May 2006 (UTC)
    • The tomb with the Sith isn necessarily his tomb. Any other Sith (or image) who is not identified as him directly is simply not him, especially if they look nothing alike. There is only one image of him, and it's the holocron holo, and he does not have fins in there. He is not a Sith in Species. --Sauron18 18:11 23 May 2006
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a201/Sauron18/DarthAndeddu.jpg

Does he remind anyone else of Mumm-Ra? (Ulicus 13:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC))

  • HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Thank you. Funny joke, yet my arguement still stands. No reason to think it isn't his tomb and it is given that it is his tomb. Argument from ignorance is a fallacy and you my friend are guilty of it. This is what we know for a fact: Darth Andeddu was a Sith Lord, he was buried on Korriban, his tomb has his likeness carved into it and that likeness is of the Sith species. There is no basis to say that his holocron was buried in someone elses tomb. His holocron is in his tomb. Darth Andeddu is of Sith species. Should he be inserted? Yes. Where? Dunno yet. DarthMalus 16:22, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
Look, Sith Mummies are MORE than well known to be buried collectively in one tomb, hell there were tombs for Vader and Sidious in Korriban. The only official image of Andeddu is the one posted above, all others could be him, but have not been said to be, and unless they are, then we've only got one image. That image shows no signs of Sith Lineage. He is not Sith Species. Period.--Sauron18 13:45 02 June 2006
    • artist intention says that the tomb is in fact Andeddu. Marka Ragnos was buried in his tomb, Tulak Hord was buried in his tomb, Sidious and Vader were buried on Korriban? Ummm...nope. Fact is he is Sith species. You're wrong get over it. DarthMalus 01:38, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Vader and Sidious had tombs? In what comic was that? -- SFH 01:40, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
    • My question exactly. As no arguement has a sound premise and going by what we know, it is at this point that he is of the Sith species. Let's face it, how many times has a Sith Lord's holocron been buried in a tomb on Korriban that wasn't his? I think it's settled. Sith species. DarthMalus 02:08, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
    • "Empire's End". Sidious goes to talk to the sith and they ask him if he's come to fill the tomb or something like that. most of the Sith Lords were buried in one chamber, we've seen it more than a few times. He is not a Sith, not canonically unless we see another image, clearly identified as "Darth Andeddu", which depicts the traits of a Sith. We have only one image, that image. And it does not have fins or Sith characteristics. That is his main image and his only canonical image. --.--Sauron18 21:25 02 June 2006
  • They didn't mean come entomb yourself in a masoleum, they meant join them in death. -- SFH 02:34, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Actually, they showed him the actual tomb (not really a tomb as much as a throne) where he should sit. But that's hardly the poin, I mean, we saw Ragnos being buried in a Public Chamber. Sculptures on a tomb are hardly portraits, I mean, there are tombs in korriban with Sith Hounds carved in them, does that mean the Sith Lord was a Hound? My arguement is that there is only One Image of Darth Andeddu, only one. And it does not show Sith Features.--Sauron18 21:25 02 June 2006
  • Empire's End indeed has an ancient Spirit showing an empty place which he indicates belong to Vader. In my opinion, Holocron's image of course should outrank tomb's drawing/whatever. Holocron will show the recorded real image of its creator, while the tomb is built by slaves, thus not necessary representing the Lord 100% accuratly. And, why can't we just wait, especially Chee claimed there will be future stuff about Andeddu? Darth Kevinmhk 03:23, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Waiting is good I think. What I was trying to point out is that Andeddu Is Non Sith until proven so. I really don't mind him being either, but for now, he's not genetically sith.--Sauron18 22:37 02 June 2006

ummm what are yiu guys talking about. I see the fins are you blind! while they can be easily confused as part of the helmet, but they are there. Malus is correct. He's Sith.

    • Sign your comments and mind your manners please. There are no Sith fins on him, theres the helmet, some other cloth, and that's it, there's nothing else that could be confused with Sith fins.--Sauron18 21:11 11 June 2006
      • Agree, I dont mind Andeddu being Sith or not, I just wanna wait for further, more convincing and direct proof. Darth Kevinmhk 03:07, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
        • Yeah there are. Look again. They are as plain as day!That some other cloth are in fact the fins! i MEAN EVEN LOOK AT THE Carving! See how their fins seemingly blend with there helmets? Oh great use of the argumentum ad ignorantiam fallacy there Sauron18. I still hold my support with Malus. Unquestionably a Sith species. The holocron depicts the being in which the tomb also depicts the being who was buried there and that being is of Sith species. He is Sith species. The fins are there. Do we need to get the artist in here to confirm something so obvious?
          • I don't see any reason why this discussion on what his species is should keep going. For now, there's no visual proof that he is Sith in species, so until we clearly see the fins where they are supposed to go, we don't know what his species is. From that image alone we would be lead to believe he is a near human species, yet even from that, the fins aren't there. So again, sign your comments, and don't act like that. If he's anything but human at the moment we don't know. They might make him a Sith in time, but right now he's just Unknown.--Sauron18 15:21 12 June 2006
  • I do remember reading somewhere that the tomb is in fact his and that he is of Sith species. I need to find where I read that. Also let us talk to the artist and get a confirmation on this guy. Until then nobody insert him into the succession box. DarthMalus 16:02, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
  • Interesting comment in Abel Pena's blog about Darth Andeddu:

Yes. Essentially, I didn't want to tie up all the Sith loose ends. A little mystery is still a good thing, IMO.

...But, FYI, an earlier draft had Darth Andeddu as Darth Millennial's master.

That doesn't mean anything, it's just worth noting unofficially. Had Pena's version survived (whether his own edits or LFL's edits), then we wouldn't be discussing this today. I wonder if he just changed his mind or the fact that there's something else planned for Andeddu had to do with it... Randy Starkiller 16:11, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

  • If you can get that source it would be good Malus. Duursema actually mentioned Andeddu last night on an online chat, but she didn't really say much. What we do get from his image is that he is not Sith. He could be retconned to be one, but he could be any other humanoid for that matter. Most people become biased because of his clothing, but that is really inconsequential, considering it is his holocron, and we know the Sith pass down clothing (which would make me think he is a post Bane Sith with Ceremonial armour for the purpose of the holocron). Either way, we won't know until we see him elsewhere, or read him elsewhere. --Sauron18 11:41 26 June 2006
    • Hey, I found a comment by Jan regardin Andeddu's placement in history of SW. To the question of where he came in history, she answered:

"Can't really answer that at present. I know that LF said they wanted to use the character for something, so if I can find out what they did with him, I'll let you know!"

http://www.comicscommunity.com/boards/janduursema/?frames=n;read=4308&expand=1

So there, his origin remains ambiguous as it's always been --Sauron18 12:12 26 June 2006

  • Yeah I got similar answers. The tomb is his but my thoughts are that if the "true sith" turn out to be true, then Andeddu maybe the new Darth in Kotor 3. However he could easily be pre Ragnos as well. Guess we'll have to wait a little bit longer. DarthMalus 18:07, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

i'm understanding everyone's ideas here, and i'm not saying he's definitely a sith, but we keep arguing that he couldn't be a sith because they were extinct at the time period we believe him to be placed in, but doesn't it say clearly that he was a form of undead monster? it said that he kept his body alive after his death, and he was decomposing. isn't it just as plausible that he was killed, didn't become one with the force, but remained as a force ghost, until he could find a way to reanimate his possibly mummified body? [okay so 1)that was a pretty big stretch, but it seems feasable. and 2)sorry for posting so late in, i just couldn't find that theory in the previous posts =]) --DarthSadis 01:40, 16 October 2006 (UTC)

DarthEdit

Can someobdy tell me who actually call Andeddu "Darth" first. It would seem that all this trouble over his name could easily be retconned into someone just mistakingly calling him Darth Andeddu instead of Lord Andeddu or somethiing like that. Jasca Ducato 09:37, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

  • He's not called anything except Darth Andeddu. It's not a mistake. QuentinGeorge 09:39, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
    • Wow I can't believe anyone actually questioned that? DarthMalus 16:00, 26 June 2006 (UTC)
  • we don't know who the first Darth is. DarthMalus 00:06, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Indeed, until Andeddu is dated we've only got the first known Darth, which would be Revan, but we know he wasn't the first --Sauron18 19:14 02 July 2006 (CDT)
      • ...why you are so sure Revan is not the first? Although it lacks evidence to prove Revan is the first; it also lacks evidence to prove Revan is not the first. Darth Kevinmhk 03:21, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
        • Zayne Carrick uses the nickname of "Darth Sunshine" on Jarael (Sp?). This takes place before Revan became (at least openly) a Sith Lord. And that he was comfortable using it that loosely also implied that the name wasn't relatively new. --Sauron18 23:49 02 July 2006 (CDT)
          • I see, I havent read that KOTOR issue yet. Thz. Darth Kevinmhk 07:41, 3 July 2006 (UTC)
            • Neither have I (:p); but I heard it and then checked here, there's actually an article on it, which makes me think we should link to that article when stating that Revan wasn't the first. --Sauron18 03:49, 4 July 2006 (UTC)
              • According to Issue #88 of Star Wars Insider Darth Revan and Darth Malak are credited as being the first Sith Lords to use the title Darth, it goes on to say that the title Darth may have roots in the Ratakan language. Has anything been released since this issue that supercedes this?--Jadden Sinn 03:27, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
  • I know at one point Andeddu was of the original sith species and for that reason he couldn't be Darth Millennial's master as Abel intended, but personally I hope he turns out to be the first Darth and first human/sith hybrid. Anyway he simply has this aura about him that says 'i'm powerful, dont mess with me' so i look forwaRD to future info on him.

BTW why is the article called 'Darth Andeddu' and not just Andeddu? Wookieepedia bios don't contain the title. MoffRebus 09:43, 19 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Jadden Sinn: Darth Sunshine predates the fall of Revan. If Darth first appear with Revan, I dont think someone could coincidently make up something like "Darth Sunshine". Darth Kevinmhk 03:30, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Got ya, that'll be something that will have to be officially addressed by Lucasfilm at some point then, it bugs me when they keep having contradictory sources of info published like that.--Jadden Sinn 03:44, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
      • Sorry to bump this but nobody actually answered my question. Who actually names him Darth Andeddu? Is it Dooku in-universe, or is it on one of those "introductory boxes" comics have? Jasca Ducato Sith Council (Sith campaign) 20:44, 7 October 2006 (UTC)
        • sigh. You did get an answer. The character is exclusively called "Darth Andeddu" by Dooku, Darth Krayt, the character himself, the omniscient narrator and the official Star Wars site. Do you require more proof? QuentinGeorge 06:31, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

SpeciesEdit

  • Now that everyone accepts the name...what species? Probably human, but it's difficult to tell... QuentinGeorge 07:15, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
    • Well he could be human, since tehy said he was quite literally rotten. But frankly, he could be a bunch of humanoid species and still look like that rotten. Though I think it's fair to asssume he isn't a Sith, for sure, since he has no "Sith Fins".--Sauron18 11:22, 10 October 2006 (UTC)
  • But then again he is a corpse so the fins may disappear.

If you would look up you would see that they already had the discoision on what his speices was and nothing conclusive came of it. Personally i think he's sith i dont no about the rest of you but i see fins

  • That discussion was before we got a big detailed image of his face. Btw, if you see fins in the pic of his face, then I believe you are hallucinating.....--Sauron18 03:22, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

His face looks somewhat like Simus's I think. Speculation of course. No labling yet. -Graal 22:12, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Darth Andeddu the Sith Emperor? Edit

--TheBrissman 22:28, 26 December 2008 (UTC)With the information regarding the Sith Emperor from the new KOTOR game "The Old Republic" having been released and despite its deliberate vaguely, does it not seem that Darth Andeddu could be the Sith Emperor? There has always been the debate on whether he was from the Old Sith Empire or a later Sith sect, but what if he was both. We often speculate that due to his armor he was a Sith from the Old Empire and perhaps rightly so. The wookiepedia article itself states that the Sith Emperor was able to prolong his life well past 1400 years. Andeddu has a similar story in that he was able to control his body even after his death. Despite that one says he tried to prolong his life while the other tried to live after death, could it not be the same thing in a way of speaking. Obviously the press release won’t say outright that the Sith Emperor might have ruled after death because everyone would know that he was Andeddu, but they do have similarities. Here is how I see it. Andeddu, one of the Sith Lords at the end of the Hyperspace War, flees into the Unknown Region and begins rebuilding the empire. While there he comes upon Lehon and the Rakata and their connection to the King Adas and the Sith and takes his name Darth Andeddu from its rakatan origin. He is able to rule his new empire by prolonging his spirit in his deceased body for hundreds of years. Revan then stumbles upon the “True Sith”, which leads him to the Darth title and the Rakata. I say it neatly wraps the entire True Sith, Revan, and Rakata plots of KOTOR1 and 2 together rather nicely but honestly it is all conjecture. If anyone finds holes in my theory let me know.

yes i thought might be something like that, he could have added the title of darth after he came back as sith emperor, to make the galaxy fear him further as they were all familyer with the darth title, and he presumibly met revan so he knew about the Darth word, this however is still only speculation, so well wait for information to be released. 84.64.14.35 20:52, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

That seems highly possible. However, Drew Karphyshn recently stated that he will be in Darth Bane: Dynasty of Evil in some way. This may be in spirit or holocron form, or he might be the teach of Darth Cognus or something like that. Telos 09:36, 2 June 2009 (UTC)

If by "fins," everyone means chin-tufts, then Andeddu might be a sort of proto-Myke. Seeing how skeletal he is, he might also be from the planet Yag'Dhul. Though, of course, the latter possibility is not a Givin.  ;-) User:Carycomic 02:06, 04/26/2014

Unsourced statement in BtSEdit

Can anyone provide a source for this statement that is part of Andeddu's BtS? ""With Darth Bane and Darth Plagueis getting novels, which of these Sith Lords would you like to see explored in books?" Andeddu won with 45% of the vote, beating out Darths Sion, Nihilus, and Vectivus, and Freedon Nadd." If so, I'd greatly appreciate it; if not, I'm going to delete it until someone does. Thank you.Tommy9281 Dark side Master SWGTCG (No quarter given, all exits sealed) 21:14, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Skeletor Edit

Has anyone else noticed his resemblance to Skeletor from He-man?


Now that you mention it. --Liammizzle 23:15, February 24, 2011 (UTC)

Was literally just going to post that. 98.215.100.6 12:19, July 29, 2013 (UTC)

Dynasty of Evil Edit

In Dynasty of Evil I believe it somewhere says that Andeddu lived "centuries" before the novel's events. While this could technically refer to someone of one of the old Sith Empires, it seems to indicate a placement somewhere in the New Sith Wars. --70.26.56.253 04:42, August 6, 2010 (UTC)

Real world correlation of name Edit

In the behind the scenes section, an article is cited that mentions on which English terms various Darth names are based. This is followed by the claim "Andeddu's name is without a real world correlation". What is meant of course is that no correlation is given in said article. As has been noted on this comments page, Andeddu both sounds like "undead" and is almost an anagram of the word. Could we therefore correct the sentence to say that the article gives no real world correlation and maybe add a line highlighting the actual phonetic and orthographic connection? --GhotiTheFish (talk) 00:25, May 11, 2013 (UTC)

Time of Reign? Edit

On the Wiki, at the bottom of other old sith empire, it shows, predecessors such as 'eventuall tulak hord, eventually ajunta pall' why is Andeddu not included in this? I'm a little confused on when he reigned, was it before or after tulak hord?? --Princepurple (talk) 16:10, June 2, 2015 (UTC)

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