Talk: Darth Malgus

Article milestones Date Process Result 7 June 2009 Good article nomination Success 18 June 2009 Good article 24 April 2011 Good article review Removed May 23, 2011 Former Good article
Current status: Former Good article

Warning

The talk page is for discussion changes related to the article, not for theories about The Old Republic and Malgus. Anyone ignoring this warning risks a block. Chack Jadson ^(Talk) 12:32, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Sourceless speculation

While this guy is most likely a Sith Lord, we've no source for this. While his followers are most likely Sith Maraduers, some of them might as well be Lords. Let's avoid being overeager with things just because the trailer rocks ;) Gorthuar 14:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)

• Then edit the page yourself. Graestan^(Talk) 14:31, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Will do. Most definitely. Just wanted to give out a warning.Gorthuar 14:40, 3 June 2009 (UTC)
    • It seems like the use of "Lord" has found it's way back into this article, pretty much everywhere it could be applied. Is there a new source providing this information, or was it simply added on a whim? Vangardt 01:27, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
      • It's stated that he's a Sith Lord in Star Wars Insider 113, page 62. Relevant quote: "In the trailer, we hear a Sith Lord's ominous voice say, 'Our time has come. For 300 years, we prepared, we grew stronger.'"--Muuuuuurgh 03:45, November 5, 2009 (UTC)
        • Alright, good to know. I think it was pretty safe to assume he would be a Sith Lord, but I am a fan of sources to back things up. Vangardt 04:22, November 5, 2009 (UTC)

Same Sith

Is this "Sith Lord" the same Sith in this photo? Apotheoses Jedi 10:24, 5 June 2009 (UTC-6)

• Most of the Sith of this era seem to all wear the same kind of mask, so it's difficult to say. I'm going under the assumption that these two Sith are not the same. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 15:28, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Not the same. Notice the lack of electronic red lights in this image that are present on the Sacking Sith. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 15:38, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
• They are definitely not the same. This Sith has a grayer skin tone, beadier eyes, a smaller build, and appears considerably older than the "Deceieved" Sith. User:DeCarta

Source

His name is Lord Angral.

go too

http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/deceived-cinematic-trailer

read blog under the video —Unsigned comment by 58.110.104.21 (talk • contribs).

• That only says the fleet was led by Angral, not that the Sith presented is Angral. Grunny ^(Talk) 05:33, 8 June 2009 (UTC)

• Other sources place Angral in a different location during the events depicted in the Trailer.SinisterSamurai 19:13, 12 June 2009 (UTC)
  • Besides, Angral has what appears to be a mechanical eye. This guy doesn't. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 21:34, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Anyone else hearing this?

The Sith seemed to have the same accent as the Mandalorians, and I can't quickly see any particular reason why he couldn't be one... —Unsigned comment by 68.228.226.203 (talk • contribs).

• You're kidding, right? - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 03:09, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

Nope, The Force is my area of knowledge, not the Mandalorians. If it's impossible (as in there not force sensitive) then say so. Just because they have so far rejected the ideas of the force doesn't mean it isn't possible for them to be one. —Unsigned comment by 68.228.226.203 (talk • contribs).

• • "The Force is my area of knowledge"?! Alexrd 17:41, 17 June 2009 (UTC)

Maaaaaybeee?

Could it be Malak? —Unsigned comment by 24.183.22.239 (talk • contribs).

• No. Malak is dead by the time of the Sacking of Coruscant. IFYLOFD ^{(You will pay the price for your lack of vision!)} 02:21, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

• Most likely its REVAN. Remember he left to the unknown regions. —Unsigned comment by 68.102.91.12 (talk • contribs).
• No, this Sith is neither Revan nor Malak. Nor is he Angral. He is unidentified, and most likely will remain that way. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 19:10, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

• why not revan. time is right, he's not dead —Unsigned comment by 68.102.91.12 (talk • contribs).

Right... because Revan will probably live to be 330 years old....

Not to say I can't see it happening. Revan's definitely one of the few Force-users who could sustain themselves for a very long time past their normal lifespan. PLagueis tried and Palpatine evaded death for awhile. Bane sustained himself with orbalisks when he should've died. No reason Revan couldn't do something similar. I just find it strange he would drop the armor. However, if you need to incorporate life support into your armor it would require different armor. If it is Revan, my best guess is that he pulls a Krayt and goes into stasis for a period of time.

Also worth mentioning how Revan-ish the Sith warriors' armor is. Definitely no coincidence there. Even if Revan's dead that's definitely his legacy.

Hell, maybe J.J. Abrams is the producer of the game and brought Vader back (minus the helmet, plus new armor) to take on the Old Republic after he fell through a time warp created by one of Palpatine's Force storms. :P —Unsigned comment by 75.40.207.176 (talk • contribs).

Hey? He looks like a Palpatine and Vader Hibryd!!!  :-) Black armor and dark side deformations. Did you noticed that every sith had little "health problems" Like:

• Darth Malak (with his jaw)
• Darth Vader (no comment:-))
• Revan (memory losses)
• Palpatine (deformations like his yellow-grey skin etc...)
• And this undefinited sith.

Awesome!!!:-) —Unsigned comment by 62.77.241.206 (talk • contribs).

It's Not Lord Angral!

Um Angral was much too busy in the senate killing the Supreme Chancellor to be invading the Jedi Temple. Angral led the attack, after an elite strike team who stole a Republic ship assaulted the Jedi Temple so the Jedi could not defend Coruscant against the invading Sith armies. Plus, yea Angral has a robotic eye and this guy doesn't.

Also, there's just no way it could be anyone from KotOR because it's 300 yrs. later, and the only person who lived since KotOR is the very mysterious Sith Lord who used dark rituals to extend his life after he retreated into unknown space. :)

Finally, this extra-special Sith Lord has clearly not been identified by Wookieepedia so who are we to question the awesomeness of this very website and their mystery-Sith indentifying abilities?! --Nesidioblastoma 16:14, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing, but we already know that. That is why the article is called Unidentified Sith (Sacking of Coruscant). --Michaeldsuarez ^{(Talk) (Deeds)} 14:54, 25 June 2009 (UTC)

Of course, it's just that a lot of people were confused about if it was someone we know of already. I guess trying to clear things up makes everything confusing and repetitive. Sorry :P--Nesidioblastoma 16:14, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Sith Emperor?

• I'd say the man is the Sith Emperor. He's obviously taking the leadership role, and I'd sure like to be the leader of the strike team that causes my sworn enemy its greatest defeat in history. I won't change anything because we don't know for sure though. -Darth Heldronus 15:57 6/25/09
  • I'm liking this sourceless speculation! I don't know if he'sthe Sith Emperor, but he's probably a good old Sith Lord, for starters. Also...you really think this was a bigger defeat than the purge? Cuz that was messed up. --Nesidioblastoma 16:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
• Just felt like throwing my 2 cents in, and yes I do think it was a bigger defeat then the purge, but I was using "history" in a less literal sense considering the purge hadn't happened yet in the Star Wars continuity. Also I agree, I think he is a good old Sith Lord, for starters. -Darth Heldronus 21:07 7/5/09

• I don't think this character is likely to be the Sith Emperor. I am basing this largely on the assumption that this unidentified Sith is mostly or entirely human. The other major thing I am supposing at this point (supposing being an important word) is that the Sith Emperor is partially, or fully, of the Sith Species. It is said that he survived the Great Hyperspace War (noted that "only a small number of Sith survived" on the Old Republic site, and claimed in his page here). At the time of the Great Hyperspace war, from all previous sources, it seems that all Sith at the time were pure-blooded Sith species, or hybrids of humans and Sith (excluding the brief presence of Jori and Gav Daragon, the latter having died during the War and the former very unlikely to rejoin any scrap of remaining Sith). This isn't to say there couldn't have been pure humans in their ranks, but I haven't found any previous record of full humans being among the Sith at the time of Naga Sadow. However, an IGN article states that that the Sith Council was left behind when Naga Sadow "disappeared on an unknown mission" and began recruiting Force Sensitives to fill their ranks. This could be and opening that could have brought pure humans into the Sith of the time. But, that description provided in the article is apparently talking about the events near the The Old Republic, likely sometime shortly before 3,653 BBY. Meanwhile, Sadow's defeat in the Great Hyperspace War came around 4,990 BBY and Sadow's death at the hands of Freedon Nadd is listed as occurring in 4,400 BBY. Assuming all of that is still considered canon, then the description of the Sith Council recruiting new Force Sensitives is not relevant to the time of the Great Hyperspace War. So that leads back to my beginning, in that I think it is more likely the Emperor will be of the Sith species, or hybrid, than a full human. This is absolutely, purely conjectural. The only "evidence" I can offer is that, to my knowledge, there is no current record of a full blooded human among the Sith at the time of Great Hyperspace War. -- Vangardt 18:05, 29 August 2009 (UTC)

True Identity

I think I might know who this sith is. I think it is Lord Angral A sith leader. If you would like to check it out go on to http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/deceived-cinematic-trailer

(Darth Davis 18:39, 30 June 2009 (UTC))

• This sure hasn't been suggested before, or debunked. -- I need a name (Complain here) 19:33, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Why don't you read what's above you? Besides, go check Lord Angral article. Alexrd 17:59, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Reven or Sith Emperor?

I think that is either one of the three

1. he is Revan
2. he is the Sith Emperor
3. he is one of Revan's decedents

Also the Sith who was first to ignite his saber from the shuttle could be Reven. The Sith Emporor may have found him somewhere and rebuilt him or something to that effect. —Unsigned comment by WALL-A (talk • contribs).

• No, no, no, no, and no, in that order. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 01:17, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Lol thats funny moff. Im thinking it is someone from the kotor games simply cause the guy is so old and wrinkly looking. 300 years is nothing for "the force" and technologies of preserving a person's life in the star wars universe. Jlryan 07:08, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

• I wasn't joking. He's not from the KOTOR games. He's unidentified. That's why this article is at "Unidentified Sith (Sacking of Coruscant)." Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 13:44, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

I know you were being serious, just struck me funny. And hes unidentified, not specifically meaning hes not from kotor, more like we dont know where hes from in general. In either case it makes no difference since bio-ware obviously (hopefully) knows who he is and therefore us guessing changes nothing. Jlryan 22:17, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

Why can't people stop speculating about Revan. Think Revan will be dead if Bioware know how to tell a good story which, oh!, they do. Makes me laugh when people say "it obs Revan wid a lyfe support machine" maybe he is just an 'Unidentified Sith' ? who Bioware may decide to expand upon later? or just used for the purpose of showing off their super-cool trailer? hmm always in motion the future is. Tyranitar 18:26, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

The Revan-fanboy-ism has to end. Really, the day Bioware makes an immoral (or near-immoral) character is the day I lose faith in Star Wars. Revan's dead. Naga Sadow's dead. The Jedi Exile's dead. Really, get over it; heroes and villains die. --Michaeldsuarez ^{(Talk) (Deeds)} 19:35, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

/agree Tyranitar 19:38, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Yoda?

With the aged skin, wrinkles and all, he's obviously Youda before he was redeemed to the Light Side. Just to add yet another idiotic, baseless suggestion. Gorthuar 14:15, 2 July 2009 (UTC)

• Who's Youda? - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 14:18, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
  • A typo. Meant this little guy ;) Gorthuar 15:30, 2 July 2009 (UTC)
    • No, he looks more like Daurth Vader without the helmet. He must have gone back in time to raid the Jedi Temple back then, too. —Milo Fett^[Comlink] 15:11, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
      • That's ridiculous, it's clearly Emperor Palpatine who, after falling into the exploding Death Star, was transported through a wormhole into the Jedi Temple and just kinda went with it. It's all J.J. Abrams' fault!
        • Ok, very funny. This page is for article-related topics only, not speculation and jokes. Chack Jadson ^(Talk) 16:23, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
          • Then where is the page for a little humor and speculation? I think a little joking is never problem. —Unsigned comment by 62.77.241.206 (talk • contribs).
            • There is no page for humor or speculation. Frankly, it's annoying. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 16:13, 17 August 2009 (UTC)
              • OK I'm sorry, please accept my apology. But I think you (plural) should make a page for these things, of course not on the wookieepedia because it's unworthy to this page. It should have a link on the main page like: Fan talk or something like this. (Sorry for the bad grammar if i made mistakes. I'm better in translation to my language then using emglish. sorry) —Unsigned comment by 91.82.64.34 (talk • contribs).
  • No, this isn't Lostpedia, we don't have sub-pages or sections on speculation here, and many established users, including myself, wouldn't want speculation here. Who cares if your "pet theories" are right? We document facts, notable facts. The only speculation that is recorded here is the notable ones (eg. if President Obama speculated that Yoda was from the Moon), and those would only be placed in the Behind the scenes section. --Michaeldsuarez ^{(Talk) (Deeds)} 19:46, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
    • Also, the users on Lostpedia send far too much time creating blogs on their "pet theories". We wouldn't want that here. --Michaeldsuarez ^{(Talk) (Deeds)} 19:52, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

What's The Reasoning?

Just wondering how the article is so sure that the Unidentified Sith and his pals had killed half the Jedi Council by the end of the engagement? If anyone has a source for that (e.g. statement about SWToR, Jedi Council is marked in the video, etc.) please share. --Nesidioblastoma 16:26, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

• HoloNet Record: Jedi Order on Star Wars: The Old Republic official website. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 16:46, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks very much! wait wait just a second he can't be yoda because first he was born in 896 bby second this happened 3,653 bby and thirthe sith is not small he's not green and he is not a fucking sith.

I count 23 Sith...

I just watched the "Deceived" trailer, and I counted 23 red lightsabers while the Sith were charging at the Jedi. The article states that the Unidentified Sith was accompanied by at least 25 Sith. Shouldn't this be changed? Maxi6^{(Feel The Force!)} 00:39, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

• No, because everyone seems to get a different count upon examining the trailer. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 01:10, 20 July 2009 (UTC) so far i counted 23-25 sith and add the twi'lek, bounty hunter and the sith troopers it's a big armty so we may never know.

Voice-over narration

Does anyone know who did the voiceover narration for this trailer (and can point to a credible source to verify it)? Reminds me a little of John Hurt somehow, but probably not. Jediphile 15:20, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Its the same voice as Azkul from K2, unless my ears decieve me, along with a few other not-so-important characters from both kotor games (I think)Toremode 19:25, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

After listening to VO for both, I think you're right. Good ear! -TheLostJedi 03:49, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

New category

I made this yesterday to different the other guys from the Sith Lords of the Sith Empire: Category:Sith of the Sith Empire Since this article's protected and my user name's blocked for ban evasion, I can't edit it so I'm asking if one of you guys could do it for me. 70.181.47.51 16:47, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Done. --Michaeldsuarez ^{(Talk) (Deeds)} 19:31, 13 August 2009 (UTC)

Species?

I know he looks like Darth Vader but what is his possible species? JM2008 18:12, December 15, 2009 (UTC)JM2008

• I think it is very likely he will be human and I think he looks like a human who has suffered some degree of injury as well as the effects of the dark side. For confirmation on this, though, I imagine we'll have to wait until they release more information and/or the game itself. Vangardt 02:07, December 16, 2009 (UTC) His species is probably human or near-human. He seems to have the characteristics of a human but because he is injured as a sith, we just have to wait and see.
  • Rattataki is confirmed playable. He could be that. —fodigg ^(talk) | 12:27, June 12, 2010 (UTC)

I thought he was Anomid, what with the mask and "friend of Yablari" thing, but obviously not. -Grand Moff Elvin —Unsigned comment by 109.76.53.55 (talk • contribs).

Open your eyes and realize that Malgus is just another human raced male whom has been studying the dark arts and ways of the darkside of the force. Not to mention been through alot of physical altercations which have left him to need a respiratory support unit as he wears throughout the game and in the deceived trailer. Possibly of Coruscant or Corellia originally. Though more than likely Malgus was born on Dromund Kaas among those of the sith empire, and raised to become what he is now: a ferocious and nearly unstoppable force of the empire. All Hail Lord Malgus! All Hail The Emperor and the Sith Empire! - Serabis Xela'ir'sethi —Unsigned comment by 98.237.86.172 (talk • contribs).

A New Guy

He is a new guy. That is my theory...until the secret is revealed. He is neither Revan (who turned to the Light side of the force, and wore a mask), nor is he Malak (who is dead). He is either Vader (though it would have to be Vader traveling over three thousand years back in time), or just an anonymous new comer. To lighten up the tension already present on this page, why don't yuz guys just go with MY theory, huh?!?!?! :) -Ano-User 11:26, January 7, 2010 (UTC) first of all he is an unidentified sith!!!!! so he can't be revan, malak or darth vader. until we are given a name he is unidentified

Point

I just wanted to point out that the page still says Unidentified Sith Lord instead of Darth Malgus. It might work if we delete the redirect. KingDonfin ^{I am not Dumb I'll have you know I have an IQ of 19!!!!!}

Dark Lord of the Sith

Darth Malgus is not just a Sith Lord, he is also a Dark Lord of the Sith. Check the TOR article on him.

• Care to provide a link, anon?Gorthuar 18:00, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
  • I noticed that too, but as it was just a forum entry title, I wouldn't put much wight behind this. If he really was a Dark Lord they'd have told us so in his biography. Swedish guy 18:20, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
• I always thought Dark Lords were very high ranking, and it does say he held no political power with the Sith.DarthTyranitar 18:23, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
  • Very high ranking, as in: "Before Kaan there would be only one Sith bearing the title of Dark Lord - their supreme leader." That's why I'm glad to hear it was only a forum post. Gorthuar 18:25, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
    • Well, Vader was a Dark Lord of the Sith under the Emperor, so I guess the Sith Empire employs a similar system for ranking - the Dark Emperor, the Dark Lords of the Sith and then the rest under there. Assumption on my part of course, but perhaps it makes some sense. Gratulor - User Page 18:48, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

• Makes sense to me, I guess they will let us known how the Sith Empire is structured in time. DarthTyranitar 18:50, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
  • Note, that Vader was a member of the Order of the Sith Lords, well after Kaan's reform of granting the title left and right, and after Bane's reform to grant the title to both living Sith Lords. So Vader and Sidious do not prove anything about the Sith Empire from 3,500 years before their time. Gorthuar 18:55, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
    • True, but it may suggest something about them as Bioware is taking inspirations from the Galactic Empire, which is in essence a type of Sith Empire. A Dark Lord of the Sith who isn't the Emperor proves that that isn't the highest rank at least. Gratulor - User Page 16:26, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Dark Lord of the Sith

He is referred to as Darth Malgus, Dark Lord of the Sith. I think that would be enough for a source.

Not only that, but the TOR site frequently mentions the Sith Emperor fleeing into deep space with his fellow Dark LordS. There was more than one Dark Lord of the Sith. --80.3.171.155 21:17, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

• Provide a link please. Gorthuar 21:18, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Oh, and not only that, but the same Darth Malgus article also says "a thirst for knowledge of the dark lord's past," referring to Malgus. I'll get that link Gorthaur, give me a second. ; ) --80.3.171.155 21:20, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

• Think we might have to accept that the title and it's meaning varies from source to source. It can be assured, however, that Darth Malgus wasn't as important as the title might suggest, at least according to the TOR websites description. DarthTyranitar 21:23, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

swtor.com/info/holonet/allegiances/sith-empire

"Unbeknownst to the Jedi however, the last Emperor of the Sith managed to escape the carnage and fled into Deep Space with his most trusted Dark Lords.

These surviving Sith began rebuilding their society on a distant planet, hoping to one-day return for revenge."

There's other quotes too; "Council of Dark Lords," etc. Now with two references of Malgus being a Dark Lord... --80.3.171.155 21:24, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

I very much dislike the fact this guy is a Darth and a Dark Lord; I was hoping only the Dark Council would bear those titles, but... --80.3.171.155 21:25, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

First of all, he's only been explicitly called a 'Dark Lord of the Sith' once, and that was in the title of a forum thread. Nowhere else, not in his biography, or in the announcement of the 'Deceived' novel has he been called a Dark Lord. Second; his biography states quite clearly that he possess no real political power and while other high ranking Sith tried to become a part of the Dark Council, something Darth Malgus never was, as he preffered military operations, hence his military mission to the Unknwon Regions. Third; he can't be one of the original Sith who followed the Sith Emperor, cause he was born on Dromund Kaas, which was discovered afterwards. This means that he's probably not a Dark Lord, at least not a Dark Lord of the Sith, but rather a high ranking Sith who Bioware wanted to show off. Swedish guy 22:08, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

• That sounds like a pretty good summary. DarthTyranitar 22:09, April 30, 2010 (UTC)

Real Name

• Should we add his real name? It specifically states on "The Old Republic" website that his real name is Veradun. Template:EVANTHETOON 23:49, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
  • As you'll notice if you read the article, his real name is included in the text. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 23:53, April 30, 2010 (UTC)
    • I'm sorry, I meant at the beginning of the article. Like, the Darth Bane page says, "Darth Bane, born under the name of Dessel...", should we say, "Darth Malgus, born under the name Veradun..."?Template:EVANTHETOON 00:11, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
      • It is at the beginning of the article - the second sentence, to be exact. There's no need to mention it in the first sentence. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 00:12, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
        • Sorry, didn't see it there. Template:EVANTHETOON 00:31, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Dark Lord of the Sith

Actually he's mentioned as being a Dark Lord twice; Dark Lord of the Sith in the headline, and then further down in the article he is mentioned as a dark lord. He obviously isn't one of the original Dark Lords, I was just pointing out there were multiple Dark Lords in the True Sith Empire. --80.3.171.155 03:18, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

• Since the True Sith Empire started as the sole Dark Lord Naga Sadow fled for Yavin IV, I wonder where did the Sith Emperor find more Dark Lords to flee with him for Dromund Kaas? It's sad to see the TOR writers are sloppy :/ Gorthuar 09:14, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
  • They, indirectly, refer to him as a dark lord in that article yes, but when I said the 'deceived announcement' I meant the one on StarWars.com. The original. Swedish guy 09:36, May 1, 2010 (UTC)
• To clarify things; here's what the SWTOR guy Sean Dahlberg posted on the forums: "...It doesn't mean he's the Emperors apprentice. But it is interesting because in the Sith Empire there is supposed to be only one Dark Lord, the Emperor. Just to clarify, the "title" of the article is just following a normal format for article titles. Later within the article, it says "And while we understand there is thirst for knowledge of the dark lords past". His biography entry goes a little more into what he's been up to recently, too. But to be clear, he is just a "dark lord of the Sith", not THE Dark Lord (Ruler) of the Sith. The Emperor is the ruler of the Sith. Sorry for any confusion that may have caused". Source: [1]Swedish guy 12:32, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

Aurebesh translation?

Anyone have the opportunity to translate the Aurebesh writing on Malgus' Holonet page? Since he seems to be a major character, it might be interesting, but I can barely read it as it is now.--Evil Dave 23:05, May 1, 2010 (UTC)

• As noted in the article (and the ones I got when I translated them), the translations are "Friend to Mandalore", "Yablari, Trandosha, Kalee", and "First Contact". Vangardt 22:52, May 7, 2010 (UTC)

New Infobox Image

File:Darth Malgus (Deceived Cover).jpg

Clearer image, reveals more of the characters face, features and clothing. Any objections to the change? Darth Tyranitar 15:37, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

• Yes. It's not a good image for the infobox. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 15:55, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
• The reason being? Darth Tyranitar 15:57, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
• For one, there's the title text still visible. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 16:03, June 9, 2010 (UTC)
• Hmm, wondered if that was going to be an issue. Ah well, just thought the current one was a little unrevealing. Couldn't cut any more of the text out without cutting his head. Hopefully they will release a wordless cover that can be used. Darth Tyranitar 16:07, June 9, 2010 (UTC)

OK, now I would consider it a valid candidate for the infobox— if GMT approves. When previewed in the infobox, it does work well as an infobox image and it does show more of his features. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 12:30, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

• Excellent :) Darth Tyranitar 16:19, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Might I suggest this instead.

As potential competition for the cover-art image, might I suggest this. It's an actual screencap rather than an artist's interpretation, and it gives a completely unobscured image of his face with no hood or mask. Jensaarai 18:09, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

It's good, but I think having him in his most recent form would be best. Darth Tyranitar 18:26, July 30, 2010 (UTC)

I'm still for the book cover. The current one is too dark and difficult to see.--ID-21 Dolphin ^(Talk) 16:16, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Yeah it should be changed to the book cover, the current one is a fairly poor image. I'm not touching anything though :) Darth Tyranitar 19:10, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

• Agreed. It would quikcly be reverted.--ID-21 Dolphin ^(Talk) 17:16, September 26, 2010 (UTC)

• Lol too true, too true Darth Tyranitar 18:47, September 26, 2010 (UTC)
  • Just letting you know, you can put it to a vote here on the talk page. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 19:19, October 6, 2010 (UTC)

Quote

How can we be sure that it was Malgus who said the Quote from the Deceived trailer? Gulomi Jomesh 08:25, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Not in the Hope Trailer

Where is the information that supports that Sith being anything other than a regular Sith Warrior? —Unsigned comment by 70.76.100.104 (talk • contribs).

• here. Gulomi Jomesh 10:37, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
  • Apart from looking identical? Darth Tyranitar 11:03, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

I agree with the first statement. First Many sith look like that, second, the aformentioned link only states that he orchastrated the attack on the planet not that he personally lead the particlular squad in the trailer. although the jaw injury is oddly coincidental, i would say that it is more improbable that he would survive all of the abuse the sith in the hope trailer sustains (it appears that he dies), then that another sith warrior would sustain a jaw injury in battle. either way i dont see sufficient evidence to positively place him in the hope trailer battle. i could be wrong but i thought id toss my two cents in. —Unsigned comment by 76.31.170.91 (talk • contribs).

• Jamesh gave the link, and the info states it's Malgus.--Jedi Kasra (comlink) 01:36, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

im not an idiot yes i saw the link and with respect it does not. as i tried to say earlier the info states that he led the attack on the planet not that the sith in the video is him. —Unsigned comment by 76.31.170.91 (talk • contribs).

• Use a modicum of common sense here people. They are not going to make Darth Malgus the focus of the synopsis for the trailer and then make the trailer about a completely different Sith who just happens to look identical to Malgus. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 12:28, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

The Sith in the Hope trailer isn't identical though, he's skinnier and missing the "Malak Style" prostetic chin. And to stop anyone from saying the Hope Sith Lord has the same armor I think it may be a uniform.Sorciri 14:12, June 16, 2010 (UTC)Sorciri

• Apparently no one bothered to read the description below the trailer in the link posted above. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 23:22, June 16, 2010 (UTC)
• At the risk of breaching our civility policy, I will simply quote the synopsis for our users that....are too busy to read it themselves apparently. "Recently promoted to Darth, Malgus launches the first of many surprise attacks that would become his trademark during the Great War, perfectly timing the assault with a feint that pulls the Republic fleet light-years away.""Unknown to Darth Malgus, small groups of Republic Troopers are stationed on Alderaan, some recovering from wounds, others are awaiting orders."(Emphasis is, of course, added) --Dr. Kermit^(Complain.) 01:22, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
  • Just in case anyone is still not belivig it is Malgus, this confirms it. Gulomi Jomesh 20:48, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

It never states Malgus was in the trailer.Sorciri 22:10, June 17, 2010 (UTC)Sorciri

• Um, yes it does: "We wanted to have one of the same characters appear in this, as well as the ‘Sacking of Coruscant’, which was Darth Malgus." Unless you're going to take it to a ridiculous level of obtuseness and argue that it doesn't identify that specific character as Malgus. -- I need a name (Complain here) 22:18, June 17, 2010 (UTC)
  • Too bad he didn't also confirm if the bounty hunter was Shae Vizla, the same one as in Deceived. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 22:39, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Sith Juggernaut

I think Darth Malgus is Sith Juggernaut. He can easily survive a attack from a missile, grenade close to his face and even survive a Force Push, which destroyed a part of that cliff from Hope cinematic trailer. By the description this is exactly what Juggernauts are able to. VolteMetalic 13:16, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

• Yeah he probably is one. Though I would still like to know how he and the trooper could possibly survive a grenade detonating less than a meter away from his face. Even with the Force that would leave him at least unconscious, and the trooper would have died instantly. Darth Tyranitar 13:19, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
• I agree, but compare how Juggernaut looks in the game and compare him to Malgus. Its nearly the same. So I guess Malgus really is Juggernaut, but how that Republic commander was able to survive the grenade, i dont know. Maybe it was a special grenade which directs the blast only into one side, while to the other sides itd much more weaker. VolteMetalic 13:44, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
• Should it be added to the article? (I would think so personally, but I often get slapped on the wrist when it comes to such changes) Darth Tyranitar 13:47, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
• I registered here only to post my thoughts here less than hour ago :D VolteMetalic 13:53, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
  • No, it should not be added to the article because it is speculation. The only thing we know with certainty is that he is a Sith Warrior. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 13:55, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
    • Yes, Sith Warrior with all characteristics of Sith Juggernaut VolteMetalic 14:01, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
• Wasn't changing the 'unidentified Twi'lek' page to 'Malgus's lover' also speculation? Darth Tyranitar 14:02, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
  • I don't see the relevance. Calling him a Sith Juggernaut is speculation, plain and simple. He probably is one, but until we get official word… it's not going in. --Imperialles 14:06, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

• • • No, it specifically states on the game site that she is his lover.User:Samjonesthegreat 03:42, June 15, 2010
• Really? It said he had an alien lover who was present at the SOC, it didn't say that it was the Twi'lek, as one of the Sith in the shuttle could have been his 'alien lover'. But regardless, I was merely pointing out that speculation has been used in articles before when it was fairly certain the speculation was correct. Darth Tyranitar 14:09, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
  • We did not speculate on anything. His Twi'lek lover and Eleena Daru were kept as separate articles until this e-mail came to light.--Dr. Kermit^(Complain.) 01:28, June 17, 2010 (UTC)

Respirator?

Do we have confirmation of this? He doesn't appear to have any breathing difficulties, and the damage he took during the Hope trailer appeared to be mostly burn damage to the left side of his face. Darth Tyranitar 14:21, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

• Thats before the female Jedi pulverized him through that cliff. Maybe after this Force attack he required a respirator. Being Juggernaut or not, he cant wistand so many attacks at once. VolteMetalic 15:44, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
• Still I haven't seen any source that actually states the device on his face is a respirator. Darth Tyranitar 15:50, June 15, 2010 (UTC)
• Thats also possibility. Maybe its just a decoration, or a mouth protector to which he fell in love :P VolteMetalic 15:59, June 15, 2010 (UTC)

Fighting style

I know its again a speculation, but by watching Hope trailer it is clearly visible Malgus use during lightsaber combat only one hand, which would mean he preffered Masashi. But his attacks were aggresive, putting a lot of power into each blow, so maybe its Ataru, but Ataru is mostly used by two hands. In Deception he use both hands to handle his lightsaber. What do you think about this? Just a discussion about it VolteMetalic 16:15, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

• Read the template at the top of the talk page. NAYAYEN:TALK 19:05, June 16, 2010 (UTC)

Death??

Sorry I don't have an account yet, but I'm a huge Star Wars fan and I wanted to put my 2 cents in on the discussion about Darth Maglus. Now I;m assuming everyone has seen the "Hope" trailer for Star Wars: The Old Republic. First off I just want to say that that is an amazing trailer, and they should make a TV show or movie with that animation. But now for the real thing I wanted to talk about, in the end of the trailer the nameless female Jedi that duels him throws him against a cliff with a Force Push and then obliterates the cliff and him seemingly with another larger Force Push (or Force Wave, that's besides the point though). Then they show the trooper/narrator regain consciousness, from the grenade, and joined by the female Jedi he shoots a red flair into the sky to signal victory...etc. So does that mean Darth Malgus was killed. I don't thin they would be celebrating victory if he was still alive over by the shattered cliff.

• Read the article. Hope takes place prior to Deceived and Malgus is alive--albeit with prosthetics--and is known to have taken part in many battles besides. -Zekk_Skywalk 05:35, June 24, 2010 (UTC)
  • -Ya shortly after I posted this is read that Hope happened before Deceived in time. I still think it's dumb that they wouldn't check to see if he was dead though. —Unsigned comment by 67.252.62.196 (talk • contribs).

I think that the hope trailer is not canon or that Malgus survived the fall from the cliff and that the Republic Soldiers did not know that he was alive--Tomahawk23 00:37, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Cleanup?

New here, but was kind of disappointed to see such a great article (which is a "good article" article) all full of either mis-typed or lost-in-translation citation markup (a bunch of [ref-timeline] stuff). I am not familiar enough with how to edit pages, but just wanted to bring it to the attention of the community in case anyone who knows how to fix it and wants to can clean it up. Demojan777 09:04, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

• I looked at the article, saw what you meant. Not sure how it happened, but I think I've fixed it now. Not really sure how I did that either, as all I did was click Edit, made no actual edits since I couldn't see anything that was actually wrong, and then hit preview to find everything had been restored to normal. I saved, but now there's no record of me doing anything, so I'm thinking it might have just been a Wikia screw-up or something along those lines, but for now I'm still going to take credit. I fixed it. :P Bella'Mia 09:31, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

New content and trailer

Watch the new trailer about Darth Malgus on the SWTOR site and you will see that he was somehow involved in the Fall of Korriban during the Great Galactic War. He also uses two red lightsabers, instead of one.--Darth Stefan (Talk) 10:17, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

• The trailer doesn't specifically state that Malgus participated in the Fall of Korriban. It's impossible to tell where he is when he says that line. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 23:42, March 5, 2011 (UTC)

Location of the family estate

Doesn't the fact that in The Third Lesson Veradun's father says "A shuttle arrives for you tommorrow, to take you to the academy on Dromund Kaas" instead of just "the academy" imply that Veradun's family estate was located on a different world? Imperators II 00:27, March 10, 2011 (UTC)

• I would say yes. It indicates that he adopted Dromund Kaas as his homeworld after joining the Academy, I suppose. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 01:03, March 10, 2011 (UTC)
  • Shouldn't the article be changed, then? I mean, shouldn't statements that he was born on Dromund Kaas be removed or at least changed? Imperators II 14:10, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
    • No. Dromund Kaas is his homeworld, a fact that is properly referenced. It is speculation to say he merely adopted the world after entering the Sith academy. Grand Moff Tranner ^(Comlink) 20:46, March 11, 2011 (UTC)
      • OK, I guess this could be explained by Veradun's adoptive father taking him to another world. But does or does not the quote above imply that the location of the family estate is not Dromund Kaas? Imperators II 20:54, March 11, 2011 (UTC)

Height

Star Wars: The Old Republic: Deceived states that Malgus was "well over two meters" in height. I believe this should be added to the article. Imperators II^(Talk) 00:01, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

• Done. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 00:17, April 9, 2011 (UTC)

Respirator

The article states that Malgus' respirator is specifically for his jaw wounds. Is that really explicitly stated in Deceived though? I don't believe jaw injuries tent to impair the ability to breathe. It seems more likely he suffered more serious injuries in addition.--Darth Oblivion 16:39, April 15, 2011 (UTC)

Past tense?

Why does this article read in past tense? I don't think Malgus is dead yet. Is it written as if we are 40somthing ABY in the most recent SW timeline? I think the article should read in the present because it is based on information being developed as the MMO and Knights of the Old Republic timeline progresses. --Ziros22

"All in-universe articles should be in past tense", per WP:MOS#Tense. Gulomi Jomesh 09:33, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Hence "A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far away". Alexsau1991 ^{(talk page)} File:StupidSithEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 13:30, October 10, 2011 (UTC)

Death?

So, now that the games out, I think its safe for a few spoilers. It seems in the Flahspoint, "The False Emperor", the player gets to fight Darth Malgus. THe fight always ends with the player knocking Malgus into a pit. On closer inspection, this is a VERY deep pit, (I can't even see the bottom). After the fight, someone says, "He's dead. Darth Malgus is dead!". So the question is, "Is Darth Malgus REALLY dead?" It seems unlikely he survived, but we never did see his body or get some sort of a sign he died like the explosion of dark side power like when Palpatine first died.--Jet Twilights 01:39, January 8, 2012 (UTC)

I wonder about that as well, especially since both the Republic side and Empire side have a flashpoint concerning this. --Senjuto 14:17, January 9, 2012 (UTC)

Revan IS a possibility!

We cant forget about the star forge. If you played the Revan secret misson on Nar Shaddaa, you find that a "infinite machine" is keeping slaves Revan had obtained almost 300 years ago. They tell your character that "the revan" gave them this machine to watch and be nurished by. The inifinte machine keeps those slaves alive for 300 years! Also, the "infinte machine" grows and produces more items as it grows. Its the star forge. No matter if you destroyed it or not in KoToR, it exsists as a small being, and grows as it feeds on life. Revan IS a possiblity, he went into uncharted space. (Recap) the star forge was in uncharted space, they had no coordinates to get there, they had to find the star maps that led them TO the star forge. Who knows how many "infinte machines" exsist. --Darth Xexin

A possibility for what, exactly? -- DigiFluid 17:29, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

Headings

What's with the ridiculously small sub-headings in this article? RS89 05:47, January 21, 2012 (UTC)

Main image

Current render

MalgusHS-Render.jpg

New option

New

1. JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 02:10, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
2. Maxattac 02:12, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
3. Good find, JMAS. An all-around better, and more powerful image. Bella'Mia 02:17, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
4. Master Jonathan (War Room) Friday, January 27, 2012, 02:18 UTC
5. —Tommy 9281 Friday, January 27, 2012, 02:37 UTC
6. Plagueis327 03:09, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
7. I like it, though its a shame that we can't find a current image of this guy without the respirator. Jensaarai 06:08, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
   • Well, the infobox is to show the most recent chronological image of the character, whenever possible. There are plenty of images of him without the respirator, but that's not how he appears later in his life. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 23:18, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
8. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 06:24, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
9. While I think we could do better than this (a screenshot from TOR, perhaps), it's still definitely an improvement over the current image. -- DigiFluid 15:58, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

   The more I look at this picture, the more I like it. I take back my negativity and maintain my vote, except wholeheartedly. -- DigiFluid 00:18, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

10. Dude always looks so serious. Sith need to learn to chillax. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 23:37, January 27, 2012 (UTC)
11. I feel like this image seems more recent, and is at the very least of better quality. Darth Needham 05:43, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
12. Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 13:09, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
13. I think we have an agreement! --Darth Stefan (Talk) 15:29, January 28, 2012 (UTC)
14. ---501st Dogma^(Comlink) 16:53, January 28, 2012 (UTC)

Comments

Both are digital renders from artists who worked on the video game, or the cinematics for the game. I like the new option because it's closer in and without the hood. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 02:10, January 27, 2012 (UTC)

Malgus Dead?

So is he dead? In the flashpoint "The False Emperor" you knock him nto a pit. —Unsigned comment by 24.7.154.245 (talk • contribs).

• number one, NO! He is not dead. He comes back in the next book. Secondly, sign your posts please.--Jet Twilights 02:22, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
  • Please try to be more polite, Jet. And no, Malgus does not appear in Annihilation. His apprentice Darth Karrid has been confirmed to appear, but we don't know if Malgus does yet. Cade Calrayn 02:26, May 28, 2012 (UTC)
    • I'm sorry. I didn't mean to be rude. Also yes he is in Annihilation. Check the page for yourself.--Jet Twilights 19:48, June 5, 2012 (UTC)

Survival

This page states that Malgus survived the battle of Ilum but offers no source at all. Until this is actually give a source, I believe the line "Despite Malgus's defeat, he survived and fled to an unknown sector of the galaxy." should be removed from this article as idle speculation. --24.34.139.166 04:18, June 10, 2012 (UTC)

• Where does it say in-game that he died? Besides, he will be appearing in Annihilation, so your point is moot. Cade Calrayn 06:55, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
  • Actually, I've not seen anything that says Malgus is in the book, just that his former apprentice is. Where did you find that information, Cade? Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 07:00, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
    • I don't know, actually. I got shouted down the last time I said Malgus wasn't in the book, so I decided to go with the flow. He's probably only in it in flashbacks. Cade Calrayn 07:04, June 10, 2012 (UTC)
      • Then it would appear the point is not moot at all. What I am objecting to is the statement that he "survived and fled" and the fact the information is being treated definitively when it has no source to back it up. As far as I can tell, his fate is unknown. We've very little information about his role in the upcoming book. I've seen no source that places him in it besides this site. In fact, all links I've followed from the book's page here had no definitive confirmation of him being alive or even in the book. It only mentioned his apprentice. This page should be accurate and for it to be such, it cannot make idle speculation about the character's fate and treat those as factual. Malgus is not confirmed dead or alive and the article should accurately reflect this ambiguity or properly source the information as to his fate. --24.34.139.166 09:56, June 16, 2012 (UTC)

Dark Councilor?

I clearly remember a description on the SWTOR website saying "having secured a position in the Dark Council, he distanced himself from the power plays and focused on expanding the Empire's territory." This was before release, just thought that it was info. I can't find any sources right now but I remember it. 94.70.247.64 16:27, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

No, it simply said that he turned away from the powerplays, I found an copy of what the SWTOR biography had said before they removed it:

"Most unusually, Darth Malgus walked away from the power games of the Empire after the Treaty of Coruscant. As top-ranking Sith fought to control the armies and resources that traditionally lead to seats on the Dark Council, Darth Malgus led military expeditions into the Unknown Regions, claiming new territories and furthering the influence of the Empire as a whole.

Often a dissenting voice on policy issues, Malgus nevertheless can be counted on to take orders and has no power base to speak of. This combination has kept even those Sith who hate his constant calls for change from moving against him."

Alexsau1991 ^{(talk page)} 16:55, May 13, 2013 (UTC)