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Name, again but with new information from Episode IX Edit

The title of this page has been controversial since the reaction to his first name got us amending the naming policy so that we call him Darth Sidious because he "self-identifies" as that apparently in his fall in Return of the Jedi. But the movie never called him Sidious, just the Emperor. And now, he returned in The Rise of Skywalker and everyone called him Palpatine, including himself. Well, he wanted to possess Rey to become "Empress Palpatine." Now that he's returned and that self-identifying thing was made about his death in Episode VI, can we re-evaluate the whole Sidious vs. Palpatine debate? SeanWheeler (talk) 05:30, December 23, 2019 (UTC)

Please point to one time he referred to himself as "Palpatine." I'll wait. GokūBlack10 (Talk) 07:59, December 23, 2019 (UTC)

"I am all the Sith!"
Dark Lord of the Sith Darth Sidious
He recognises that both he and Rey are Palpatines. He identifies himself as Galactic Emperor of the Final Order, and "all the Sith." He heads the Sith Eternal as a Dark Lord of the Sith. Sith Eternal>Final Order.
Therefore, The article on the human male born Sheev Palpatine, [who was (to himself): the Sith Lord Darth Sidious, Galactic Emperor of the Final Order and leader of the Sith Eternal, the Sith Order of the time], should be named "Darth Sidious". - - -CIS roundel OOM 224 ༼༽{talk}༼༽ 10:32, December 23, 2019 (UTC)
Luke identifies him as Darth Sidious in the Last Jedi, and he made it clear in the Rise of Skywalker and in his mysterious message (while in fortnite, still considered canon) that he isn't in the same position that he was in during the Imperial era. The Final Order and the Sith Eternal are openly Sith Organizations with it being clear that the Palpatine Persona or any other charades aren't being used.--Vohki (talk) 05:01, December 25, 2019 (UTC)

Do we actually know if the Emperor is permanently dead? Edit

Reading the page, it says he was finally killed, destroyed once and for all, permanently destroyed, and so forth, yet is he truly dead? Is there any source confirming this is his absolute final death? He was thought to be permanently dead before and yet here we are with him reborn and alive. So until we have solid confirmation he isn't coming back, I suggest removing any mentions of permanent death from the page. LesterR2-D2 (talk) 07:51, December 26, 2019 (UTC)

That's not how death is handled on this wiki. If it was, we wouldn't list anyone as truly dead because there is always the possibility they can return in some fashion. For now, Darth Sidious is dead once and for all. If, in the unlikely event he is revived again, the information can be edited to reflect that. But we shouldn't be editing pages to account for potential future what-ifs. GokūBlack10 (Talk) 07:54, December 26, 2019 (UTC)
We don't say Han Solo is permanently dead once and for all. He is just dead. Why is there a necessity to add permanency to the second death of the Emperor. It is far more accurate to say he is dead than he is dead once and for all unless you have a source saying, exactly, that he is dead once and for all. Saying he is dead once and for all is essentially a lie without a source, while saying he is dead is more true and accurate. LesterR2-D2 (talk) 08:01, December 26, 2019 (UTC)
I bet you can find a source that says he was dead once and for all the first time with his ROTJ death and yet here we are, essentially proving that saying once and for all doesn't mean anything. The best thing we can do is just simply say he is dead, there's no need for dramatics or permanency, just state the facts --Lewisr (talk) 14:21, December 26, 2019 (UTC)

“In secret”?? Edit

The article says Palpy was initiating a Sith ritual IN SECRET, as he was trying to convince Rey to kill him. The thing is, how could that be argued as secret? Sure, he didn't explain there was a ritual, but he clearly tells Rey that her killing him is all he needs to enter her body and keep ruling the Galaxy. In my opinion, it was kind of dumb to tell her since it would have been much simpler to let her kill him, but since he tells her, there's no SECRET anymore. Shouldn't we change that? Unsigned comment by 2A01:E34:ED17:2D30:6126:DC3F:C858:FCB0 (talk • contribs).

  • I've removed it --Lewisr (talk) 17:31, December 28, 2019 (UTC)

Full Plan? Edit

So, what exactly was Palpatine's plan for using Snoke to corrupt Ben Solo if he ultimately wanted Rey to inherit the Sith throne? Is that ever addressed in the visual dictionary or something? What was his plan for Kylo Ren? 22:49, December 28, 2019 (UTC)

  • The visual guide says that Snoke's existence was used as a test (the final part of said test being his killing of Snoke) for Ren, Snoke tested his worthiness and capacity to inherit the Sith legacy. It says the Sith Eternal designed Snoke to act as a final crucible, to groom and mold Ren into a master of attack and cunning --Lewisr (talk) 22:59, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
    • Yeah I got that, but I'm curious as to why that was the plan when Palpatine wanted Rey to inherit the Sith legacy, not Ben. He told Kylo he would give him the fleet if he killed Rey, but he always intended for Rey to be led to him and take over. Do we ever find out what the endgame for Ren was? Riptide240 (talk) 23:09, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
      • I imagine it would come down to either serving Rey or be disposed of, unless he went through with what Rey wouldn't and kill Palpatine --Lewisr (talk) 23:16, December 28, 2019 (UTC)
        • OK yeah cus I was really confused as to why he would go through all of that to corrupt Ben and train him as a worthy Sith only to have Rey be the Empress. So I'd agree with you: either it was all a revenge jab at the Skywalker line for killing him (turn their descendent to the dark side and then kill him), or he intended for Kylo Ren to be a powerful Sith Lord alongside Empress Rey. Riptide240 (talk) 20:55, December 29, 2019 (UTC)
          • It is a bit confusing, but who knows how the mind of a twisted practically dead Dark Lord of the Sith works! I see those are the most likely options for Kylo at the end. Hopefully something, maybe even the novelization, will go into it a bit more, or if they plan to explore how Palpatine did come back then we can hopefully get the answers --Lewisr (talk) 00:12, December 30, 2019 (UTC)
            • YEah, thanks for helping me out on that one! Riptide240 (talk) 01:11, December 30, 2019 (UTC)
              • No worries, glad to help! --Lewisr (talk) 01:17, December 30, 2019 (UTC)
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