Talk: Darth Tenebrous/Legends

Article milestones Date Process Result November 16, 2010 Comprehensive article nomination Success November 18, 2010 Comprehensive article by Menkooro November 20, 2011 Comprehensive article review Removed December 14, 2011 Former Comprehensive article
Current status: Former Comprehensive article

First conversation

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Leland Chee is the person keeping track of the Holocron continuity database, not "some idiot". He's a reliable source. Bub^Talk 03:43, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

• This anon has been popping up on other talk pages of the Darths that Leland Chee has mentioned as well. Sooner or later, Mr. Canon-Disputing-Anon here will get himself banned. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 12:06, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

What Does It Mean?

Would anyone mind if I added what tenebrous means? -Kath.Hound 23:12, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Go ahead. Just wondering, should I ask Mr. Chee about Darth Tenebrous? Vezz801 00:32, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

• About what, if I may ask? —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 13:16, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
  • I'd guess he wants to know where and when Darth Tenebrous will appear. I figure it's another pending Legacy Sith, like Darth Kruhl was when he first appeared on Chee's blog. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 13:21, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
    • I hope not... I already wrote a fanon biography for him on the Fanon wiki. ;) —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax ^{(Imperial Holovision)} 13:24, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Tenebrous Tenebrous \Ten"e*brous\, a. [L. tenebrosus, fr. tenebrae

  darkness: cf. F. t['e]n['e]breux.]
  Dark; gloomy; dusky; tenebrious. -- {Ten"e*brous*ness}, n.
  [1913 Webster]

        The most dark, tenebrous night.          --J. Hall
                                                 (1565).
  [1913 Webster]

        The towering and tenebrous boughts of the cypress.
                                                 --Longfellow.
  [1913 Webster]

-- From The Collaborative International Dictionary of English v.0.48

tenebrous

    adj : dark and gloomy; "a tenebrous cave" [syn: {tenebrific}, {tenebrious}]

-- From WordNet (r) 2.0

48 Moby Thesaurus words for "tenebrous":

  ambiguous, amphibological, beamless, black, black as night,
  caliginous, dark, dark as night, dark as pitch, darkling, darksome,
  dim, dusk, dusky, ebon, ebony, eclipsed, equivocal, gloomy, murky,
  night-black, night-clad, night-cloaked, night-dark,
  night-enshrouded, night-filled, night-mantled, night-veiled,
  obfuscated, obscure, obscured, occulted, pitch-black, pitch-dark,
  pitchy, rayless, sibylline, starless, sunless, tenebrious,
  tenebrose, uncertain, unclear, unilluminated, unintelligible,
  unlighted, unlit, vague

-- From Moby Thesaurus II by Grady Ward, 1.0

Meesa yoda 17:59, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Plagueis novel

Darth Tenebrous was named in the Darth Plagueis novel as the Sith Master of Plagueis and he is a Bith. Should this be put in his profile. --Senjuto 18:49, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

Darth Tenebrous vs. Rugess Nome

Why is this article not named Darth Tenebrous in a similar manner to the Darth Plagueis article? I see no difference between the articles, am I missing something? Zeta1127 of the 89th Legion (talk) 04:24, January 15, 2012 (UTC)

• Same here, I see no reason why this should be different. If this stays at this name, I'd petition Bane to be changed to Dessel, Plagueis to Hego Demask, etc. 174.78.141.147 08:53, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
  • He was famous as Rugess Nome, but was not widely known by his Sith name. That is why the article was moved due to this site's Naming Policy. Plagueis was born as Hego, but was taken when he was five to be a Sith apprentice. Hardly enough time for him to become as well known by his birth name. Gethralkin^Hyperwave 09:14, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
    • Additionally, even though Plagueis' name, Hego Damask, was on public record (which he used as an alias to legitimize holdings), he wasn't famous throughout the galaxy and throughout history by that name. However, he was infamously known as Darth Plagueis, the one who incited Palpitate to dominance in power, by groups such as the Apex Society and the New Jedi Order. Gethralkin^Hyperwave 09:36, January 15, 2012 (UTC)
      • Btw, for those making an argument concerning how a character died, take the case of why the Palpatine and Darth Caedus articles are not named Darth Sidious and Jacen Solo, respectively. The reasons are because Palpatine died as Darth Sidious but was known galaxy-wide as Palpatine; whereas Anakin Solo—evidently redeemed with last actions—died as Anakin Solo but was known galaxy-wide as Darth Caedus. These arguments have already been had and decided in the Wookieepedia by conferences and by votes. Further reverting and editing of such articles to the contrary might be considered vandalism. If you feel differently about these issues, then be present for the next Mofference and cast your vote. Gethralkin^Hyperwave 14:43, January 17, 2012 (UTC)

I would encourage all involved users to discuss this conflict more instead of citing WP:BOLD and simply moving the page back and forth. The article is being locked from further moving until a resolution is reached. CC7567 ^(talk) 18:47, January 19, 2012 (UTC)

• So, I can't think of a conceivable reason that this article should be titled as it is, or use the name Nome throughout. Namely, Rugess Nome is the alter-ego of Tenebrous and, despite being widely known as Nome, this is the name he identified with. Hego Damask was a recognized name by many, not Plagueis, but reason dictates that the Sith title, as that is the essence of their entire being, should be used. Purpilia 06:15, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
  • The naming policy is quite clear on this matter. When two or more names are used by a character we use the one they were known by publicly. Tenebrous was the alter-ego, Nome was his real name, which he was known by across the galaxy. Jayden Matthews 12:09, February 3, 2012 (UTC)
    • And Vader/Anakin? He died as Skywalker but he was known across the galaxy as Vader.--Gonzalo84 23:35, February 7, 2012 (UTC)
      • Good point Gonzalo. Additionally, Plagueis was known as Damask by most people who knew him. If this is the policy, though I disagree with it, I see no reason that we shouldn't change the others to follow suit.Purpilia 03:47, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
        • Anakin Skywalker was not associated with the figure Darth Vader throughout the galaxy. In fact, the Imperial Navy did not even know his former identity as Skywalker—including several from the Clone Wars that he continued to serve with in the Empire. However, if you wish to insist on making such changes, lodge an entry in the Consensus track. Gethralkin^Hyperwave 16:47, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
          • I think Gonzalo84 was referring to how Anakin Skywalker was remembered after his death. By the time of the Legacy era, it was common knowledge in the Galactic Alliance and Imperial Remnant that Skywalker and Darth Vader were one and the same. JRT2010 17:55, February 8, 2012 (UTC)
            • Well, the reason Skylwalker's article is not under Darth Vader makes sense to me now. Likewise, Gonzalo84's argument does not make sense, because even though Skywalker was known as Vader during his later life, he died as Skywalker, not Darth Vader, and was remembered as Skywalker in latter history. Furthermore, Hego Damask was more notably known in later history as Plagueis, not Damask—a name that, although his birth name, he used as an alias. Gethralkin^Hyperwave 19:51, February 8, 2012 (UTC)

• Has anyone else noticed the sublime irony of the main quote in justaxposition to the naming of the article? Divinely inspired poetry, I tell you. --R5-X41238-G8-R3-3124-D2 10:43, March 16, 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks for catching that. I thought that already I fixed that before, and I notice too that the infobox got edited over with the Darth title again, as well. Someone keeps going in and changing the article contrary to the naming policy even after it gets fixed. Gethralkin^Hyperwave 03:57, March 17, 2012 (UTC)

Naming in Essential Reader's Companion

In the preview for the Essential Reader's Companion, in the Dramatis Persona for Darth Plagueis, Darth Tenebrous is the name used to refer to this character. Other Sith in the story are referred to as Darth Plagueis/Hego Damask and Darth Sidious/Palpatine. Does this have any effect on the naming of this article? I know it is not published yet, but just a heads up to what is coming because I am sure it will spark new debate. Purpilia (talk) 03:15, September 18, 2012 (UTC)

• Not according to the Naming Policy of this site. Please review convention 2 where the case of Rugess Nome applies. Alternately, you can review the consensus discussion (and vote deciding for "Final/Most Well-Known Names" over "Birth Names") related to how this policy was adopted. Hope that helps! —Gethralkin^Hyperwave 17:52, September 19, 2012 (UTC)

Nome or Tenebrous

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The result of the debate was move to Darth Tenebrous. —MJ— _{War Room} 04:59, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

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After reading this excerpt in Darth Plagueis, I have reason to believe that the title of this article should be changed to Darth Tenebrous. I'm opening up a poll to change the name, or keeping it as is.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 22:12, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

"How did you come by such power, Damask?"
"I was shown the way to power by a Bith named Rugess Nome."
"I know the name."
"Yes, but his true name was Darth Tenebrous, and he wore the mantle of the Dark Lord of the Sith. I was at one time his apprentice."

―Veruna and Darth Plagueis discuss Rugess Nome's true identity.

Move to Darth Tenebrous

1. As nominator.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 22:12, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
2. Agreed. Cade Calrayn 22:17, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
3. Agree. DarthRevan1173 (Long live Lord Revan) 22:27, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
4. As evidenced by his successor thoughts, Tenebrous's birthname was only a convenient cover for his true identity of Sith Lord. As for Dooku, Palpatine, Kreia, ...Maxattac (talk) 22:30, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
5. Always should have been Darth Tenebrous...Purpilia (talk) 22:33, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
6. Nome was a mask, Tenebrous was the truth. Bella'Mia (talk) 23:25, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
7. Per Bella'Mia. —MJ— _{Council Chambers} 23:34, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
8. 501st dogma^(talk) 23:38, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
9. Supreme Emperor (talk) 23:41, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
10. Commander Code-8 ^{G'day, mate} 01:57, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
11. I agree 100%!--Jet Twilights (talk) 02:36, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
12. Seems straightforward. ~Savage 03:53, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
13. Fe Nite (talk) 17:45, March 11, 2013 (UTC)
14. Ressor (talk) 23:41, March 12, 2013 (UTC)
15. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:02, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
16. Definitely. Corellian Premier^{The Force will be with you always} 21:04, March 13, 2013 (UTC)
17. As he died as Darth Tenebrous, move it. It was the last name he was known as. Hanzo Hasashi (talk) 04:51, March 18, 2013 (UTC)

Discussion

• Uhh...did you mean "Move to Darth Tenebrous"? The article is already as "Rugess Nome." — DigiFluid^{(Whine here)} 22:16, March 10, 2013 (UTC)
  • I did, corrected by Cade.—Jedi Kasra ("Indeed.") 22:19, March 10, 2013 (UTC)

Cybernetic respiration system.

Are we sure his respiration system was actually cybernetically grafted. It was likely just gear used on baldemnic considering Plagueis had one as well. --Emperordmb 15:36, March 30, 2014 (UTC)

User 107.152.44.132 keeps removing the information I corrected. Someone get on him please.

User 107.152.44.132 has been reverting the information I corrected repeatedly. Per Darth Plagueis, Narro Sienar was not Chief Operating Officer before Plagueis met Palpatine, which is 65 BBY. The section I corrected refers to a period somewhere around 90 BBY (per Mission to Lianna). The information I added is correct, and user 107.152.44.132 insists on a mistake remaining on the page even after I provided the source everyone can check. GoGo112233 (talk) 01:12, 10 February 2024 (UTC)