Talk: Darth Vader's armor

Darth Vader's armor

Shouldn't the title of this page be Darth Vader's armor? It would be more accurate, considering he was already Darth Vader when the armor was made. JRT2010 (talk) 20:23, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

• There is no source that identifies it as "Darth Vader's armor," and conjectural titles of pages that have an official name in Star Wars Legends are not allowed. Star Wars in 100 Scenes refers to it as "Anakin's armor," so we've used that until such time as there's a better name we can source. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 20:27, November 17, 2014 (UTC)

Charred Helmet Timeline

Do we know for sure that the charred helmet is discovered 30 years after ROTJ? Could it be that it was a flashback that occurs before the current 30 years later time frame?

Page move

Unless a more recent source (such as Absolutely Everything You Need to Know) identifies this as "Darth Vader's armor," or something along those lines, should this page be moved to "Dark armor?" The only time Anakin ever wore this armor was right before his death; all throughout the previous decades it was Vader in the armor, not Anakin. Cevan (talk) 00:34, October 12, 2015 (UTC)

Given that this is a personal item it seems to me that the only logical name for it would be 'Darth Vader's armour'. The notability policy makes an exception for personal items after all:

"Exceptions to this rule include battles and other events, as the vast majority of these have conjectural names; as well as notable personal weapons, such as the lightsaber used by both Anakin Skywalker and Luke Skywalker."

89.168.92.255 02:06, November 25, 2015 (UTC)

That was for personal weapons, like lightsabers, rather than all personal items. That being said, re: the original message in this section, I'd have no issue moving this page to "Dark armor." - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 02:25, November 25, 2015 (UTC)

Deletion

This page should be deleted. There's already a page titled "Darth Vader's Armor"

72.197.170.248 00:23, November 6, 2015 (UTC)

• That's the Legends version. This is the canon-specific article. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 00:38, November 6, 2015 (UTC)

Rename

Per Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know, this should be at life-support armor or some variation thereof. This has bugged me for a while as Anakin is not considered the one in the suit until his redemption. --Alientraveller (talk) 20:45, March 8, 2016 (UTC)

• I don't have a strong preference for what this page is called, but I'm going to challenge the assumption that it should be at the "life-support armor" name. Star Wars in 100 scenes calls it "Anakin's armor." Something (apparently) calls it "dark armor." Now, AEYNTK calls it "life-support armor." None of those are any more correct or wrong than the other because they're all one-off uses of the name. None of them are official names. There's a trend within canon article editing that says that whatever the most recent source calls something then that's the name we should use, but that's just going with a fleeting trend rather than any sort of consistent naming scheme. As for "life-support armor" itself, that would be bad for SEO because no one's searching for names like that. So whatever the page is called, let's make sure it's called that with the acknowledgement that we do not have an official name (by the standards of Wookieepedia policies) for this subject. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 20:57, March 8, 2016 (UTC)
  • I'd move to Darth Vader's life-support armor per AEYNTK and the similar phrasing in Ultimate Star Wars. Otherwise, we can always move it to Darth Vader's armor. I don't have a copy of 100 Scenes but from previews I see the reference to "Anakin's armor" is during the cremation after his redemption. --Alientraveller (talk) 15:56, March 9, 2016 (UTC)
    • The trouble is that we have an incredibly restrictive notability policy for canon articles. It says that canon subjects that were named in Legends but don't yet have an official name in canon can't be given a canon article. "Darth Vader's armor" isn't used in a canon source. "Anakin's armor" is. That's not the best name for it, and it's a reach, but it's what we've got, and it justifies this page's existence. So we can't rename this to Darth Vader's armor/Canon because that name is not used in canon. Unless "Darth Vader's life-support armor" (aka that exact phrasing) is used in AEYNTK, we can't use that either. If that exact phrasing is used in the book, though, then I'm totally on board with moving it. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 16:07, March 9, 2016 (UTC)
      • Are you willing to bend for the references to it as "Vader's armor" and "his life-support armor"? --Alientraveller (talk) 16:29, March 9, 2016 (UTC)
• OK, so I was thinking we could just move it to "Vader's armor" per AEYNTK except that page already exists as a redirect for the Legends page. Can an admin help? --Alientraveller (talk) 15:23, March 15, 2016 (UTC)
  • What exactly does the book say? Lots of these examples seem to depend on bending the rules. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 15:29, March 15, 2016 (UTC)
    • "Darth Vader has developed his own style of lightsaber fighting, designed to overcome the restrictions of his life-support armor."
    • "Instead, his life-support armor feeds nutrient fluids directly into his body."
    • "120 kg: Darth Vader's weight in his armor."
    • "10 protective layers in Vader's armor."
    • "2.03m: Vader's height in his armor." --Alientraveller (talk) 16:09, March 15, 2016 (UTC)
      • "Vader's armor" would be fine. First, look at every Legends page that currently links to Vader's armor and change it to Darth Vader's armor. Then, an admin can rename Anakin's armor to Vader's armor. - Brandon Rhea^(talk) 16:13, March 15, 2016 (UTC)

TROS

the helmet was presumably destroyed in Episode IX so it should be updated —Unsigned comment by Elijah Palmer (talk • contribs).

• We don't know that for sure just yet, it was last seen on Kijimi! So until we get some source that says what happened to it, we shouldn't speculate it was destroyed --Lewisr (talk) 03:20, June 9, 2020 (UTC)

Conflicting sources

Would someone mind elaborating on the discrepancy between Dark Lord of the Sith and Fallen Order? I've been meaning to pick up the comic for a while but unfortunately haven't yet. --Passivecz (talk) 06:10, 2 July 2022 (UTC)

• Seems it was originally brought up by an anonymous user here, having to do with the design of the chest piece looking different. I don't really think that's worth calling a discrepancy honestly, since Vader's armor has always had subtle changes across his various appearances. Removing the template. RattsT (talk) 05:53, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Got it. Silly of me to not check the edit history before bringing it up here. Thanks Ratts! --Passivecz (talk) 21:42, 6 July 2022 (UTC)

Appearance(s) in the Obi-Wan Kenobi series

Should anything about Vader's duel with Obi-Wan when he destroyed his chest plate and mask/helmet, revealing half of his face go anywhere in this article? I think so because it happened before his duel with Ahsoka Tano in Star Wars Rebels, and there are a few big differences between the two. --Rocket Retro Reed (talk) 19:42, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

• Yep it should be added to the page! Specifically in the section 'Life in the armor' and before the stuff with Ahsoka is mentioned Lewisr (talk) 19:49, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
  • Whoever's good at paraphrasing, please look at the section: The Second Rematch on Anakin Skywalker's page. Thank you.--Rocket Retro Reed (talk) 19:51, 20 January 2023 (UTC)
    • I've actually done what I could so far! :)--Rocket Retro Reed (talk) 19:07, 3 February 2023 (UTC)