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Mara Jade, who some believe to have had a special position set apart even from this secret cadre - Source? QuentinGeorge 22:57, 3 Sep 2005 (UTC)

  • Well, she was apparently Palpatine's number one Hand... Cmdr. J. Nebulax 13:21, 4 Sep 2005 (UTC)
    • Mara's snarky reaction to Thrawn's "more than one Hand" remark; Vos Parck's statement to Mara about her unique usefulness in VotF; and a nod to Zahn's "I don't like the multiple Hands idea" comments without the kuffle of another Behind the Scenes section. I thought the character POVs needed a nod; feel free to edit it if you think it's too strong, though - maybe I'm overreacting? --McEwok 14:05, 4 Sep 2005 (UTC)
      • If any one of them was more important than the other, I'd point to Cronal rather than Jade. I think Mara (and others) was just deluded about her actual importance to the Emperor. QuentinGeorge 01:24, 24 Sep 2005 (UTC)

Secrecy Edit

"...and remained a secret institution even from Imperial high command" This statement should probably be qualified a bit. It seems that even a mid-level officer like Vos Parck (at the time of his service to the Empire) knew of the Hands, along with a top echelon officer like Thrawn. --SparqMan 22:45, 11 Oct 2005 (UTC)

nem13: hey. that is not Mara Jade on the first picture!

  • So did Mara dye her hair or something?--Darth Oblivion 17:45, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Perhaps. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 18:47, 27 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Please do not post in the middle of a discussion. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 20:20, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Sorry. Moved it. Evir Daal 08:44, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
        • You just moved it to where it shouldn't be. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 20:54, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
          • Then I'm even more sorry. I'm a little new at this. Where should I move it, then, if I want to debate SparqMan's interpretation of the secrecy of the organisation? I thought nem13 had started a new discussion and that I continued the one before that. Evir Daal 07:03, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
            • Well, what I do is just take a line or something from someone else's quote and put it like this: "(insert quote here)". Then I usually follow it with what I want to say. Apparently, posting in the middle of a discussion is allowed, but I don't know why, because it's sometimes hard to find the recent posts when they're in the middle of the topic. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 11:18, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
              • OK. Now I've moved it to a new section, and I hope everyone will be happy now. Thank you. Evir Daal 12:12, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Secrecy (cont'd)Edit

"...and remained a secret institution even from Imperial high command" This statement should probably be qualified a bit. It seems that even a mid-level officer like Vos Parck (at the time of his service to the Empire) knew of the Hands, along with a top echelon officer like Thrawn.

  • Were any of the other Grand Admirals but Thrawn in on the secret? I think I remember him saying somewhere in the original Thrawn trilogy that he had learned of the Hands through his own Intelligence networks, so it might not be official knowledge. As for Parck, his commanding officer Thrawn might have told him, also off the record. Evir Daal 09:05, 23 October 2006 (UTC)
    • I hate to do this now, but apparently you can post in the middle of a discussion. Sorry. But I think it's better here. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 20:20, 25 October 2006 (UTC)
      • Now that it's here, it can stay here. No hard feelings. Evir Daal 09:00, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
        • Great. Anyway, as to your question, I think some other Grand Admirals were aware (something makes me think Zaarin knew, but I'm not sure). Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 11:19, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
          • If the Grand Admirals knew, it's strange that none of them recruited any Hands after Palpatine's demise, or at least tried to make contact with them. But I don't know for sure. Is there any source for them being aware of the order's existence? Evir Daal 11:56, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
            • Wait, was Arden Lyn an Emperor's Hand? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 19:46, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
              • Yep she was. The Emperor's Pawns in Star Wars Gamer 5 lists her as a Force adept 8, dark side marauder 4 and emperor's hand 3. Now, is she an emperor's hand only as in "character class: emperor's hand", or really one? Star Wars Roleplaying Game Revised Core Rulebook specifies that requisites for character class emperor's hand include impressing the emperor Palpatine so that he himself gives "this character" (Arden Lyn, Mara Jade, whatsoever) the rank of Emperor's Hand. Particularly Arden Lyn became an Emperor's Hand and then decided she didn't like it and deserted. - Skippy Farlstendoiro 06:13, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
                • Weren't Hands supposed to be trained from birth or early youth or something like that, instead of recruited as independent Force-users, just to ensure things like that didn't happen? Evir Daal 06:46, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
                  • I don't think so. Anyway, since Lyn was an Emperor's Hand, she would have probably told Zaarin had he not already been aware of their existance. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 22:54, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
                    • She seemed to be a very atypical Hand. And her loyalty to the Emperor could be questioned, especially in the light of her defection. Evir Daal 08:40, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
                  • Doesn't seem like they were necessarily supposed to be trained from birth or early youth - Arden Lyn, Maarek Stele, Blackhole, and Sarcev Quest all had lives before becoming Emperor's Hands. jSarek 08:47, 29 October 2006 (UTC)
                • From my point of view, it's like this: Zahn and others probably intended the Hand(s) to be trained from youth and unquestioningly loyal. But then, as it has come out with computer games and all, that's not true anymore. TIE Fighter in particular messed up the Hand concept; you just shouldn't become a hand simply because you're a great pilot. Similarly, a rogue Force-user such as Lyn should not have become a Hand, but rather an Inquisitor or somesuch thing, since the thing distinguishing the Hands from the rest of the Dark Side menagerie was their loyalty to Palpatine. Still, the games are canon, and thus we're stuck with them, so I guess you're right... Evir Daal 09:21, 29 October 2006 (UTC)

ONE Emperor's HandEdit

Timothy Zahn could have intended for there to only have been one Emperor's Hand, Mara Jade, but other authors did not realize this, and made their own Emperor's Hands because of Thrawn's comment about other Hands. Thrawn could have simply been messing with Jade--Mara Jade was getting sort of uppity at the time (from Thrawn's perspective). Era-old Expansionary Fleet Commander Mitth'raw'nuruodo Discuss 11:29, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

  • New topics go at the bottom, and sorry, author intention is not canon. So however much that Zahn wanted Mara Jade to have this exclusive position, other authors and Lucasfilm said otherwise. I mean, right away in Children of the Jedi we are introduced to another Hand in Rogana Ismaren, so sorry Mara, but you were delusional about your exclusiveness, and Thrawn crushed your naive perception. Cull Tremayne 11:37, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

Hands' betrayal Edit

What verification do we have for this statement:

following the death of Palpatine, many former Emperor's Hands went on to become independent menaces to the Alliance to Restore the Republic and New Republic.?

Of course, we know Mara Jade joined the New Republic, and several other Hands did betray the Emperor/Empire in some way, but is that sufficient to make such a statement?

  • Many appear to have become independent warlords and freelancers; think of Lumiya, Roganda Ismaren and the others who appear in the post-Endor EU. I guess it's a matter of definition in many cases whether you want to call them Imperial Remnant or independents. Commander Daal Imperial Emblem 09:41, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Jerec?Edit

When did Jerec become a Hand? Commander Daal Imperial Emblem 09:41, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Image galleryEdit

Is this gallery really necessary? Couldn't they be put in an image category, possibly being named, "Category: Images of Emperor's Hands"?--Jedi Kasra 23:36, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Vader Edit

Could vader be an emperors hand? he was one bad dude who did the emperors bidding.208.102.123.1 18:41, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

  • Vader was the Palpatine's Sith apprentice, which was different from a Hand. The Hands only performed assignments for the Emperor, and he didn't teach them as much about the Force as he did Vader. --Zhen Zhen 18:55, April 11, 2012 (UTC)

Imperial Hand Edit

In Fate of the Jedi: Apocalypse, Head of State Fel makes Tahiri Veila an Imperial Hand. I'm assuming that's the same as the Emperor's Hand? Zhen Zhen 18:51, April 11, 2012 (UTC)


Tahiri needs added to the list.

emperor's hands are dark side adepts

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