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Old OOU version vs. New IU version[edit source]

  • We have two distinct versions of this article: the newer version is an in-universe article about something some in-universe people thought happened (see here), while the older version is an out-of-universe article about an event some people in the real world think would have happened on Endor if the events shown in ROTJ followed the real-world laws of physics (see here). Which do people prefer? —Silly Dan (talk) 10:53, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
  • I like the new, IU version. The old one is just a breeding ground for arguments based off speculation. Chack Jadson (Talk) 11:06, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
    • If something exists IU, we have an IU article; that's why I culled the previous version, which was basically just the Technical Commentaries version. I've reverted it to the proper, IU one, because I spoke with several people on IRC whenever I IUified it and consensus was to have it IU. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 11:42, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
      • OK. Since there's no record of the IRC discussion, maybe some of the people who supported the IUification then could confirm? —Silly Dan (talk) 12:15, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
  • The current version says "Much of the debris of the superweapon were sucked into a large black hole and transported to areas across the galaxy", but what is the source of that information? A black hole powerful enough to do that would likely have sucked up Endor also. The IU fact seems to me to be, that there is an un-resolvable continuity error in canon here. It is well proved that the explosion would have devastated Endor, barring some super-powerful deus ex machina -type intervention. If it can be proved that Endor was OK afterwards, then between these two occurrences there is a continuity error in canon, and that would have to be accepted. Anthony Appleyard 14:14, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
    • The source for that information is the ref note right beside it, which links to a particular ref number in the Notes and references section, which, after clicking it, becomes blue, which links to The Glove of Darth Vader, a canon Star Wars childrens' novel. Real world physics and science do not necessarily apply to fictional universes. I don't know what you mean by an IU continuity error. If by "well proved" you mean real world physics and science, then no, it hasn't been well proved, and an official LFL employee (working in his capacity as an employee, not on a fansite) has said that it did not happen. There is no continuity error. -- AdmirableAckbar (Talk) 14:22, 19 April 2008 (UTC)
      • Sorry to dredge this up, but I can't agree with the conclusion drawn here. I don't feel that the children's novel is sufficient evidence to support the "hyperspace wormhole" theory and there is no transcript provided for whatever Mr. Hidalgo said. Even if there was, does his position within LFL really allow him to decide what is canon and what is not? We cannot simply ignore the laws of physics. Yes, physics may not apply in some or most instances in Star Wars, especially with the Force, energy weapons, and lightsabers, but there's nothing to suggest that gravity has any different effects in the Star Wars universe than ours. Indeed, the Death Star hung in orbit because of "gravity", thus making it a logical conclusion that the same force that held the DS there would act upon any debris. Ramius Antillies 23:41, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
  • Is the moon ever shown in its entirety in sources after ROTJ, or just the ewok villages? For all we know, the rest of the planet is a dead, barren moonscape, with the ewoks inside sealed habitat domes. VT-16 11:35, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
    • If Hidalgo says it didn't happen, and no source mentions anything beyond minor damage fixed by the Rebels, there's no need to go through convoluted plot gymnastics and decide that it secretly did but for some reason no source mentions the Ewoks living under glass. And no source does mention such a thing. —Silly Dan (talk) 12:13, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
      • Well, to be fair, there has to be some kind of shielding still intact on Endor, otherwise Han, Leia, Chewie and all their furry friends would have been fried the moment the DSII blew up, given the huge honking shockwave coming towards the moon. Adding that to the shield generators dropped by some of the rebel ships and there's some plausible reason parts of the moon is still viably alive. There is the interesting aspect of off-world ewok colonies like Svivren, though. Given all the undeveloped space seen earlier on Endor, one has to wonder why they felt a need to transplant some villages to other systems. ;) VT-16 15:26, 15 June 2008 (UTC)
    • Shourly if the Ewoks where killed, then so would the local rebels.Unsigned comment by (talk • contribs).
      • Not if it was a long process of atmospheric poisoning, giving the Rebels time to leave first. —Silly Dan (talk) 12:11, September 8, 2009 (UTC)
  • Not really the case. Regarding the distance the moon, according to specs, Endor has a circumference of 9,559 miles and an 18 hour rotation period. So the planet is rotating at 531 miles per hour with the Death Star orbiting at an altitude of 1000 miles, so even at 10,000 mph the debris would take six minutes to hit the atmosphere, be 53 miles away from the site of the ground battle and continue rotating as the final debris fell.

This page could help the article.[edit source]

Either way, some of the EU sources must be wrong...Unsigned comment by (talk • contribs).

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