Early Comics Edit
Heh, I remember in the early comics his spoke like a pirate. "I don't care for causes no more. These days I fight only fer me planet, me people... an' me friends." --SparqMan 13:27, 17 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Last line Edit
No one needs to know that Boba Fett became Mandalore after Fenn in a Fenn Shysa Article. The article is about a him and only him. It doesn't need to have anything about Boba fett becoming Mandalore. If someone wants to know that all they had to do is look below the article to see who came after Fenn.--Darth Nuke 15:49, 5 Sep 2005 (UTC)
- And why do we need "the man responsible for the new rise of the Mandalorians" on the page? If anything, that should go to Spar's article, he rebuilt the Mandalorians more than Shysa did. And "Fett succeeded him as Mandalore" should really be there just as a little footnote, since Shysa sacrificed himself for Fett and the notice would just wrap off the article nicely. Demented Smiloid 21:40, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Sorry son, but Fenn Shysa being the man who gave rise to the new Mandalorian era should be in there. Fenn rebuilt the Mando Army, freed Mandalor, freed the Mando Sector, gave rise to a new Mandalorian economy. So I'd say he's done way more than Spar. So since your the one who's been EDITING MY ARTICLE. The Article I WROTE, then you can bet your ass any changes you make I'll change em back. Fett as Mandalore does not need to be in there, and it won't be. If they want to know who came after Fenn they can either look at the bottom of the page or look up Boba Fett. This is my arcticle and it's fine the way it is.--Darth Nuke 23:18, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
- Your article? You didn't create the article, QuentinGeorge did. And he was the one primarily editing the line out. If I can properly recall, he is something called an admin , who has stated this constant edit is becoming close to vandalism. Besides, Spar is the one who actually rebuilt the Mandalorians from scratch, after they were completely wiped out (with the exception of Jango) which is quite an achievement in my book.
And I fail to see how you'll change it back if one of the admins gets really ticked off about it and locks down the article... Demented Smiloid 23:28, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I wrote this Article Not George. What George had done was only a few lines saying that Fenn faught during the Clone War with Spar. I wrote what you see now in the article. What George wrote was a snub.
When I finished the Article it was as it always was. Your the one who's in the wrong, and commiting Vandalism. Because the Article was fine the way it was, and you keep changing it. So I hope it is locked so you can't touch it anymore.
Also Spar did rebuild the commando's but his try ended with only 3 surviving Slim. Fenn went on to create a much grander army, and took back the Mandalorian Empire. Ten times what Spar did. So leave my contribution alone.--Darth Nuke 23:33, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Also GEORGE, please respect my contribution and please leave it alone. I've had two contributions, the other being the Master Jaing article. The line about Fenn bringing forth a new era for the Mandalorian is very True. And Boba Fett doesn't need to be added, for all anyone reading has to do is look at the bottom and see who succeeded who. The article is fine the way it is.--Darth Nuke 23:41, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
- Nuke, you don't seem to understand the concept of a Wiki; nobody has ownership of any article, and you don't have the right to tell people not to edit a particular article simply because you've added to it a great deal. MarcK 23:51, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
- Which is why this edit war is still going on... Demented Smiloid 23:53, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
- The article is fine the way it is. It doesn't need to be edited. Whoever is editing it isn't adding any of interest nor is George or whoever doing anything to help the article. The article is fine the way it is. I want it locked so it can't be touched. And I didn't add to anything I practically wrote the thing.--Darth Nuke 23:54, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
- Even then, it doesn't matter what you did, no article belongs to you. That's the whole idea of a Wiki. And locking it isn't going to solve anything in the long run; what we need to do is settle on a compromise, put that in the article, and let us all go on our merry ways. MarcK 23:59, 6 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I will accept no compromise the Article is fine the way it is. The line about Fenn being the on who gave the Mandalorians a new rise is correct, and the Boba Fett line isn't needed. If they want to know if Fett became Mandalore they can look right to the little box which says who succeeded who.
So there is no compromise, because there is nothing to compromise the Article is fine the way it is.--Darth Nuke 00:02, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Even Insider 80 doesn't have anythign about Boba Fett taking Fenn's place in his little piece in the Article. It ends ALMOST Like the way I have it.--Darth Nuke 00:04, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
- Let me clear a few things up for you, Nuke. 1) No one owns any article. If you don't want people editing something you've written, go start your own website. 2) We have this thing called the three-revert rule. You've gone way past this—and don't say that QuentinGeorge did, too; he was supported by at least one other user, while you were acting alone and in your own stubborness. I'm reverting this to Quentin's version now, and if you mess with this one more time, you're out for twenty-four. By the way, QuentinGeorge isn't actually an admin, although he is a respected Wookieepedian. – Aidje talk 00:06, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
- Nuke, seriously, give in, because you're the only one who wants the "man responsible" line in there. Even the admins disagree with you, and if you keep editing it you might get suspended or even banned. Just forget the page, it's only a block of text! Demented Smiloid 00:12, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
- Well, bit too late now I guess...Demented Smiloid 00:13, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
- A compromise then. At least lets have a compromise?--Darth Nuke 01:41, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
- Lets at least agree on thsi,
- "After almost 20 years of rule, Fenn Shysa, the Man responsible for the new rise of the Mandalorians, died on the planet of Shogun saving Boba Fett from death. Boba Fett would become the next Mandalore."
- I believe that's what I was saying from the beginning. MarcK 01:50, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Well then lets make it so. It's wrong that way, but I'll take it. And at least we can compromise.--Darth Nuke 01:52, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
That is not acceptable because Fenn did more than that. He freed Mandalore, rebuilt the Mandalore army, took back the Mandalore Sector, and gave the Mandalorian a better future. He's more than just a man who created another incarnation of the Mandalorians.--Darth Nuke 02:07, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I have just given my compromise. Please accept it the way is. I have added my piece plus that of you and George's. At least give me that much.--Darth Nuke 02:12, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
If you want to know why I kept reverting this, it was because Darth Nuke kept trying to insert admiring POV regarding Shysa. I eventually gave up, since I didn't see fighting about this article worth my time. It's fine how it is now, though, since most of the POV seems to have been removed. QuentinGeorge 07:04, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
- PS "I wrote this Article Not George." - not that you can "own" an article on Wiki, but if you look in the edit history, you'll find that I created this one and cleaned up most of the subsequent contributions. But as others have said, that is irrelevant - no one owns an article here. QuentinGeorge 07:04, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
Well that admiring POV about Shysa is truthful, and it was I who wrote the actual article. Which before hand was just your snub. But who cares, it's over and the article is fine the way it is.--Darth Nuke 15:43, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
"Fenn Shysa was a Mandalorian who fought under Mandalore the Resurrector and eventually became Mandalore himself."
That is what you wrote George. What you wrote was a snub, for a article. I wrote what you see on July 22, which has my IP number as th arthur of it. Therefore It was I who actually wrote the article of Fenn Shysa. You may have cleaned it up, and added some pretty pictures, but it was I who actually wrote the article.--Darth Nuke 16:58, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
- Regardless, the point is moot. Move on to other things please. -- Riffsyphon1024 18:13, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I have. The article is NOW fine the way it is. The boba fett line still shouldn't be in a Fenn Shysa article, but whatever. The compromise is good, and shouldn't be changed.--Darth Nuke 18:21, 7 Sep 2005 (UTC)
- As long as you're still talking about it, then, uh, you're still talking about. As Riff said, please no more last words or final arguments. Just move on. – Aidje talk 05:09, 8 Sep 2005 (UTC)
I'm new to the site and don't even have a username, but Fenn is mentioned on Page 18 of the hardcover of "Sacrifice" as having his dying wish be for Fett to become Mandalore. I haven't changed anything on the page except adding that he was "Mentioned only" in the book.
Why does Fenn lose his accent halfway thru Marvel?JustinGann 21:50, 27 Nov 2005 (UTC)
This is just an assumption on my part, but it's probably because the scripter and/or letterer was not always the same and he/she just didn't maintain it. I think that, if a reader knows of the accent, they could impose that accent in their "internal voice" used while reading. Otherwise, it's no big deal. Medleystudios72 07:38, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
Fenn really doesn't look 43 in the Marvel comics. Where does c. 40 BBY come from? Lieutenant Gerard 02:20, 30 January 2006 (UTC)
- He can't be any younger, since he fought in the Clone Wars (20 BBY). QuentinGeorge 11:26, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
Aren't Mandalorians considered adult at age 13 though? Thats what the AOTC Visual Dictionary says...
- Yes, but Shysa was already a local constable when Spar recruited him. QuentinGeorge 23:11, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
- He could have been 15 years old at the time. 184.108.40.206 03:32, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Confusion over assassination target?Edit
There's a line in there about how he was supposed to assassinate Padme Amidala, and confused her with Princess Leia. I'm not editting it, because I don't have the source material, but I simply don't see how this is possible- Padme died literally seconds after Leia was born. Can someone who has the material involved please clarify this peice of material?
- Fenn was sent to assassinate Padme. Years later, he recounted the event to Leia Organa and told her "that was when I first became acquainted with yer comely features". It's a byproduct of the retconning of the Marvel story (where Shysa was bizarrely sent to assassinate Leia during the Clone Wars). QuentinGeorge 11:25, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
I think I can offer more on this. Is it possible that Fenn was not given a name and only an image? Also, maybe he simply recognized Padme's face in Leia's? The meaning could be more of a "I see your mother in you" type of thing? Medleystudios72 07:41, 6 February 2008 (UTC)
- Perhaps Leia's real mother or foster mother were also originally named "Leia" back in 1983. Mothers and their daughters sharing the same name is not unheard of. I wish George kept a tighter leash on all of his license holders so this confusion would not be troubling us so today. I also wish we could get a hold of David Michelinie and perhaps procure a few answers of substance on topic. -- Frank V Bonura 04:07, January 10, 2010 (UTC)
- NEC, I think in the section "General Skywalker." Kuralyov 05:17, 1 October 2006 (UTC)
In Karen Traviss' Revelation, it is made out that Shysa was really the boss in his relationship with Spar, and that he encouraged Spar to pretend to be Jango's son in order to help the Mandalorian's feel unified under a strong warrior. 220.127.116.11 03:35, 14 April 2008 (UTC)
Order 66 novelEdit
It states at the end of the novel that Shysa took up the position of Mandalore in 19 BBY, and that he only did so for two reasons: 1. Shysa wholeheartedly believed that a Fett should be a Mandalore, based solely on Jango's reputation throughout the galaxy. He could not find Boba, Arla was mentally unfit from all the time spent in a mental asylum, and Spar and Fi weren't interested. 2. The Empire had just built a training facility on Mandalore, and he took the job because he didn't trust the Imperials, and also pretty much because he wanted to "keep the seat warm until Boba shows up" (actual quote from the novel). Since my knowledge on Shysa is limited, and I am unclear as to how this would fit into the article (as it seems to be contradicting canon), I have left this here for someone who knows more about Shysa than I do to add this into the article somehow. StarNeptuneTalk to me! 17:36, 14 September 2008 (UTC)
RPG statistics? Edit
- Does his Roleplaying statistics show in any of the RPG books or websites?--ARC commander4 16:14, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
- Yes. Star Wars Gamer magazine #9 includes Shysa's official stats for Wizards's RPG (not West End Games, not Saga edition, not miniatures). --Skippy Farlstendoiro 18:21, October 8, 2009 (UTC)
- On which page?--ARC commander4 04:38, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
- Never mind, I found it.--ARC commander4 04:42, October 9, 2009 (UTC)
Retcon of Fenn Shysa Edit
according to the Essential Atlas, Spar once again is Mandalore after the clone wars. This cancels out the changes from Order 66 and realistically back to the Marvel story line.
Few took these hard-bitten dead-enders seriously- particularly since they fought so viciously among themselves. Around 60 BBY, the True Mandalorians of Jaster Mereel, who sought to restore honor to the clans, fell out with Tor Vizsla's Death Watch- even as the New Mandalorians rejected both groups. After all but elimination the True Mandalorians at Galidraan in 44 BBY, the Death Watch sought to destroy Duchess Satine, the enigmatic New Mandalorian leader. Satine survived their attacks to become a passonate advocate for neutrality in the Clone Wars, but the Death Watch's time would come. The clone Alpha-02, also known as Spar, eventually won out over Satine's faction and dubbed himself Mandalore the Resurrector, a title indicating that the old traditions once more held sway. —Unsigned comment by 18.104.22.168 (talk • contribs).
Surely this works against the "Birth of the Protectors" paragraph which states that "Into this environment entered the rogue ARC trooper Alpha-Ø2, now going by the name "Spar". Having defected from the Grand Army of the Republic before it had even left Kamino, Spar arrived on Mandalore..." This states that Spar leaves Kamino before the beginning of the clone wars, and as he is heading straight for Mandalore he would arrive there long before the Death Watch plot line begins. Also from the "Clone Wars" paragraph, "...capture the facilities of MandalMotors in the planet's capital of Keldabe, forcing the company to commit its resources to aid the CIS. Following this engagement, the Protectors would carry out covert missions for the..." This shows Mandalore becoming firmly on the side of the CIS contradicting the firm status of neutrality Satine promotes. This either points to another Retcon of the Mandalorian Protectors, or a plot line involving Spar being a part of Death Watch and then reforging it into the Mandalorian Protectors. Either way some Retcon is required.--22.214.171.124 07:08, November 24, 2011 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if you're the two posters in this section are the same person, but to address both points:
- The Essential Atlas does not state that Spar is the Mandalore after the Clone Wars. It states that he "overcomes" the New Mandalorian government and becomes "Mandalore the Resurrector", the second part of which has been established for years now as happening later in the Clone Wars. The only thing that this changes from the Order 66 novel, is that Spar is confirmed to have been Mandalore, which the novel left relatively ambiguous while leaning toward the idea that he wasn't. He still eventually steps down following the Protectors' loss on Norvall II, and Shysa succeeds him.
- Which leads to the second point—the article's only issues stand in its wording. Spar does indeed desert prior to the GAR's deployment from Kamino, but does not immediately go to Mandalore. There is a period of time where Spar roams the galaxy, working as a mercenary before eventually traveling to Mandalore. The New Mandalorians' era of neutrality for the planet Mandalore is also at a point early in the Clone Wars, and Spar does not commit the Mandalorians to the side of the CIS until a later date. While the current timeline of the Clone Wars is tentative and not as solid as it had been previously, enough retcons have already been implemented so that TCW's storyline is not irreconcilable with the previous canon at this time. Bella'Mia 05:18, November 26, 2011 (UTC)
Death year Edit
The article has a variety of contradictions about the date of Shysa's death: the infobox places it in 21 ABY and is supported by one source, but then the narrative explains his death as 23 ABY, with different sources. This is also reflected in the deaths section of 21 and 23 ABY's articles. What to do, what to do? -Zekk_Skywalk 12:27, March 27, 2011 (UTC)
It can't be either because in "Boba Fett: A Practical Man" Boba Fett is quite clearly Mandalore and considering this is set just before the Yuhzahn Vong invasion (please ignore spelling errors) he must have died before 20ABY. --126.96.36.199 06:28, November 24, 2011 (UTC)
Clone Wars Edit
The article currently states that the Mandalore systems were part of the CIS. This is contrary to The Clone Wars tv show which has Mandalore as part of the Republic and the Council of Neutral Systems. It also ignores the existence of Duchess Satine Kryze. It is my conclusion that this article is severely outdated and needs to be overhauled by those more knowledgeable than I about this character. Pretty please? --Icepirate (talk) 01:24, March 21, 2014 (UTC)
- The events you're talking about happen after the events of The Clone Wars, so they still stand despite the show's negligent attitude to existing canon. Mandalore joins the CIS after the Death Watch takeover. Cade Calrayn 01:33, March 21, 2014 (UTC)