Talk: Force Body

what does this actually mean 69.122.118.1 20:11, 23 December 2007 (UTC)

151.51.12.135 14:33, 9 December 2008 (UTC) This is essentially a way to synchronize your own Living Force with the rest of the Force energy you find around you. Please note that when someone refers to "life energy" as a separate term from the Force, they are referring to the Living Force of the creature in question. Without Living Force or midichlorians, life in the SW universe would not exist. On the contrary, Force Energy that is not inside a creature can be more easily influenced by Force users and is therefore called "Unifying Force". Force Body pretty much allows you to balance your life Force and strenghten your connection to the Force.

Gee, I would say a massive SW nerd has written his... if it wasn't me. —Unsigned comment by 151.51.12.135 (talk • contribs).

In Regards to the Rewrite

The history of this article is that given the scarcity of information we had on it, it was originally written in a way that sounded like pure gameplay mechanics. It was rewritten after it was presented to the Trash Compactor, so that it sounded less like gameplay mechanics. While I think that whoever rewrote it did a very good job, I also fear that we made some assumptions in trying to conform it to realism.

1. "to push their body's endurance past a safe limit, ignoring and possibly sacrificing their health and well-being in order to sustain their connection to the Force"

This may suggest that the Force power incidentally harms one's body as a result of pushing one's endurance past a safe limit to sustain one's connection to the Force. However, I personally think that the ability description in both KotOR 2 and tOR ("uses health to fuel" & "sacrifices" in addition to the alternative name "Noble Sacrifice") implies that the harm dealt to the body isn't incidental but a regular and intentional aspect of the technique. That is to say, the way it is worded suggests that the intention is to push one's body, which can possibly hurt you, but its sources suggest instead that the intention is to deliberately hurt yourself for your Force connection. I have already removed "possibly". Anyways, I point this out because this may be something to consider, but I personally think I'm probably being too fastidious as I suppose a Force-user that is aware of the harm to his body by pushing his physical limits will be intentionally sacrificing their health after all.

1. "Very powerful connection to the Force was required for this ability's use"

This line adds flavor to the article, but I think it's very much an assumption that was made during our attempts to translate from the language of gameplay mechanics. There's nothing in the sources to suggest that one needs to have a particularly powerful connection to the Force to employ this technique (the Star Wars Galaxies trading card perhaps?), and in fact, in the two games it appears, KotOR 2 and tOR, it has absolutely no "Force energy cost".

1. "With this, Jedi could live through what would otherwise kill them."

This last sentence also confuses me because if one is sacrificing one's health to maintain one's Force connection, wouldn't that pose a greater risk to his body and endanger his life? The purpose in the games is to boost your energy to maintain your stand while risking lower endurance and greater likelihood of death. It's meant to be an equal trade-off, so I'm not sure that the Jedi's chance of survival can definitively be said to be greater than without using the ability.

My bad if I'm looking too deep into this writing. I would change the wording given my apprehension, but I'm personally still quite impressed by whoever did this original rewrite and saved it from the Trash Compactor. Sol Pacificus^Firestorm 02:20, October 13, 2016 (UTC)

Consumption

In Star Wars: The Old Republic, the Jedi and Sith tend to have abilities that exactly parallel one another. Some are meant to be exactly the same ability renamed but others are obviously two distinct abilities whose gameplay mechanics just happens to be the same (e.g. Forcequake and Force (lightning) storm being both area attacks that are actually two different abilities but does the same thing gameplay-wise).

Force Body in The Old Republic is named Noble Sacrifice and is used by the Jedi Sage. The Sith Sorcerer possesses the same ability named Consumption, but I'm not sure if it's actually a darker version of Force Body or if it is like Forcequake vs. Force Lightning: two abilities that are actually two entirely different Force powers which has the exact same gameplay effects. Just the pitifully little descriptions that the game gives us implies that the mechanism behind Consumption is that the Sith willingly "consumes" (not as in eat) or drains his own physical strength and vitality to sustain his connection to the Force.

Is this close enough to Force Body to describe here? Or does it warrant its own article as an entirely distinct ability? It seems to me like just a more extreme and more grotesque version. Sol Pacificus^Firestorm 02:29, October 13, 2016 (UTC)