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Chock fullEdit

He didn't use any force drain on her! He was force chocking her out of anger.

--DarthCow--Talk Email

AFTER he chocked her. The medical doctors healed the choking damage, but poeple believe that he drained her health while he was in surgery. Varas Halcyon 13:25, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

  • "People believe" does that mean fan-speculation? KEJ 13:33, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
    • So, he drained the health of the woman who he believed he had killed on Mustafar? That makes sense - Kwenn 13:53, 25 May 2006 (UTC)
      • Ah, such irony ;-) You have a point though. And I'm still wanting to know whether "people believe" refers to fan speculation or not. KEJ 14:45, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes, it's fan speculation,no he didn't do it delibratley. He drained her health through their force bond during his 'surgery'Varas Halcyon 16:38, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

I repeat, through the Force Bond, UNCONCIOUSLY!!!! [[User:Varas Halcyon|Varas Halcyon 9 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Very likely a screen cap of a multiplayer round. Darth Kevinmhk 16:42, 9 July 2006 (UTC)
    • The caption says "Sith cultist", but it's likely just a Kel Dor Jaden Korr using Force Drain on an enemy. -BaronGrackle 21:12, 20 September 2006 (UTC)
      • Kotor has no multiplayer, and this is not from some other game. This is likley a pre-release image found at a lucasarts site, and is not canon.

Replenish their own strength in the Force?Edit

The article states that users of drain are able to regenerate, in lack of a better name, "Force Points" from its victims. Where does this come from? Both Academy and KotOR only allows the user to replensih health. Furthermore, if you could regain Force power from Drain, it would be the ultimate offenisve power, enabling you to attack forever as enemy death boosts your Force pool. Come on! Isn't it established that the Force is infinite and everywhere, and that any Force shortage is a sign of mental exhaustion?DarthMRN 00:05, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Unfortunately, the Prequel Trilogy established that the Force is not unlimited, as it is "Midichlorians" that give one the power to connect to the Force. Since they are biological in nature, their powers are limited, and thus so is the Force. However, the Original Trilogy did indeed state that the Force is unlimited, which is precisely why the Prequel Trilogy should be changed, but this is a matter of opinion, so I'll say no more. As for Academy, you are correct, however the name is somewhat misleading, as Force Drain is show opposite of Force Absorb (even the icons are similar). The power does drain the Force from its victims (in addition to life force), but the user only gains life force. User:Bredd13/sig
    • Actually, KotOR2 establishes that the Sith could draw Force energy by taking the lives of others. Anyway, it makes sense. Since the Force is basically just an energy field created by life, stealing lives is the same thing as stealing Force energy. Personally, I think that Force Absorb and this article should be merged. At heart, they are pretty much the same thing.-- 21:54, 27 June 2007 (UTC)
      • Establishes it how? I don't recall anything of the sort. And game mechanics don't apply. DarthMRN 02:54, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Image warEdit

So, now that the page has been locked, can someone explain what the problem is? -- SFH 04:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

  • Appearantly, User:(- -) believes that the image is non canon (and even accused it of being fanon), and he removed it from the article. Greyman reverted him, and put the image back in. Then User:(- -) kept adding "non canon" to the caption. I reverted him, noting that it's not a fanon image, as it's an image created by LucasArts. But he added the "non-canon" thing back in. Then Darth Culator reverted him, and of course User:(- -) went and reverted Culator. So the main problem seems to be that User:(- -) thinks the image is non canon and fanon (even though it's from LucasArts), and keeps adding "Non Canon" to the caption even after being reverted by Culator, Greyman, and myself. 05:02, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
    • It is non-canon. The image takes place on Taris, but it is using a force power; revan didn't have force powers on taris. Though I suppose it could be another Force Sensitive. And it has HK-47, there is no canon source for him EVER being on Taris. It is not canon. And, there seems to be a mod or pre-release NPC in the far background, but I can't tell what it is for sure because it is far away, one looks like a sith trooper in republic colors witch was definitely not in the game. The image shows what the force power does, but it is NOT CANON. Can wookiepdeians freely add to canon with them-selfs as a source now? Because that is what saying that picture is canon is doing, in a big way. This may be hard to understand by someone who hasn't played through KOTOR. But this image is NOT canon, deal with it. I am OK with keeping it as long as it is stated that it is not canon. Wookiepedians can't create canon at will; ergo, fanon. (and by the way, just because it is used in a demonstration of the game engine before the games release on a lucasarts site, doesn't make it canon) I have a good example of what this image is: There is an old trailer for ROTJ that shows luke wielding a blue lightsaber. He has a green one in the movie. It is canon that he had a green one. It is the same with the game pre-release image. Even if it were canon (no way), the endless (see first discussion on talk page) speculation about the image is just that, speculation. There are no sith troopers in republic colors in canon. This image should either be deleted or marked as non-canon (like the picture of Atris and Nihilius dueling)(- -) 11:40, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
      • I know Revan didn't have force powers on Taris (I played KOTOR several times), but the image caption doesn't specifically say it is an image of Revan. The caption simply says that it's "A Force Sensitive", without actually saying which force sensitive it is. The point is that it doesn't specify who is using the power or were it is being used, it simply shows the power being used by a force sensitive. This makes it ambiguous and avoids the need label it as non canon. The image could be seen as just some random force sensitive on some random taris-like planet, using Force Drain on some random enemy. I'm pretty sure that it is left ambiguous like that on purpose so that there is no need to label it as non canon, as it could be any random force sensitive. So as long as it doesn't specify which force sensitive it is, and leaves it ambiguous, there is no reason to label it non-canon. I can think of a few other articles that do the same thing, using images from games, but leaving the identity of the person in the image ambiguous, by not specifically stating who the person is. And there has never been a need label any of those images as non canon. 17:42, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
        • There is one thing you can't explain, it has HK-47. HK-47 is not an 'ambiguous character'. The image didn't come from a Lucas Arts publication (it is not from the game itself) and just because it is on a Lucas Arts site doesn't change that. The image is non-canon, and not labeling it as such hurts wookiepedia's quality. Premotionial material isn't canon, else we would have a canon head for revan (from that commercial for KOTOR). Are you only fighting for this because you put it in? I am ok with putting it in as long as it is labeled as non-canon. It is not canon. I am sure others agree with me (I would like to see someone else comment here), I mean, luke's lightsaber is green in return of the jedi, and HK-47 wasn't on Taris in KOTOR. Please stop ignoring what I am saying. Try reading the guidelines on what is canon (and by Lucas Arts sites, they mean what the sites say are canon, not everything they show, for instance, pictures of actors or writers aren't canon, and promotional material). (- -) 18:59, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
          • HK-47 isn't a one-of-kind droid. There is an entire HK series of assasain droids, and some of them (like the HK-50s) look almost identical to HK-47. I am not the one who added the image, and i'm not sure who is. I can think of at least one other article that uses a promotional image as an articles main image, becuase it displays the power the article describes, and it has not been labeled as non canon. I can also think of several other articles that use images from games while leaving the identity of the character in the image ambiguous. I agree that we need some more opinions from other users about this. I kind of want to know what an admin like Darth Culator thinks of this issue (he was one of the ones who removed your "non canon" label from the article last night). 19:25, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
  • Well, I for one agree with the anon. Official promotional pictures are canon, and this is an official promotional picture, as far as I'm aware. -- AckbarSigdmirableAckbar (It's A Trap!) 19:33, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Possible Revan

      If all advertising and promotional material is canon, than this is Revan's face. Feel free to put this as the main picture of the revan article and see what happens in a day.

      If that is true, we have the canon face of revan. And don't all things need a publication appearance; a comic, a book, a video game, a movie, a television series, a video... What is the product that this came from, it isn't from the game... Hey, wait a minute. Luke's lightsaber in Return of the jedi was by canon, blue until they changed it in the final product. Well, what if HK-47 was supposed to be on taris, but this was changed in the final product? I can't belive I am the only one who has seen the force drain picture and doesn't think that it is canon. (- -) 21:07, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
        • Revan has no canon appearence (he has no official face). And Revan's face/appearance has nothing to do with this situation. You seem to have this idea in your head that the image for Force Drain is an image of Revan using it. However the caption for the image leaves it ambiguous, and does not specify the identity of the person using it. It could be viewed as some random force user and not anyone in particular. Just like the HK droid standing there could just be some random HK-50. Since it is ambiguous, and doesn't specify who it is in the image, there is no need to label it as non canon. There are several articles that do the same thing. For example, look at the Force Powers article.. one of the images is labeled "Jedi combining Force jump and Force speed". But if you look at that image, you will see that it is a Twi'lek version of Jaden Korr from Jedi Academy. Now, Jaden has no canon appearance, so that image of a Twilek Jaden could be considered non canon, but the image caption doesn't even mention Jaden's name, but instead it refers to the person in the image as "a Jedi". This way, the image becomes ambiguous, and there is no need to label it non-canon, becuase it doesn't specify the identity of the person using it. And that image has been on that article for a very long time, and no one has had a problem with it the way it is. It's the same situation here. The Force Drain image doesn't specify the identity of the person using it, and is therefore ambiguous, and doesn't have to be labeled non canon. I know several articles that do the same thing as this one and the Force Powers one does, and no one seems to have any problems with them. I'm still waiting to see if one of the admins (Culator in particular, since he removed your "non canon" label from the article last night) has any opinions about this dispute. 22:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
        • In addition to everything I just said above, I'd also like to point out that I'm pretty sure you would be violating the OOU policy by labeling the image non canon. Because putting an OOU statment like "non canon" into an image caption is adding an OOU statment into the article, and that violates the OOU policy. 23:35, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
        • I have had enough. Keep the article going against canon, I am sick of this discussion.

And for my last comment here for a long time, I would like to point out that HK-50s are silver colored, the picture is not from a work of Lucas Arts (from the finished product), the thing with Revan is pre-release material for the game, and it is not canon, just like the image, and if you don't want to say that it is not canon, than just don't have it in the article at all, why not go and get a non-disputed picture? One that doesn't include HK-47, or at least not HAVE HIS NAME IN THE IMAGE LABEL (at least say 'an HK droid' rather than 'HK-47' is looking on, for god's sake).

I do not acknowledge ANY word that you say,, and will ignore ANY thing that you say anywhere on wookiepedia. I will not be editing or even LOOKING at the talk section of this article for a looong time. The picture doesn't do much damage anyway. Please don't damage any other articles, I bet you will try to insult me in you next post in this talk page, well, you can't bully me if I don't read your words. Who is All I see is a blank page. Later all, discussion over, err, what discussion? I will get on with my day. (- -) 23:58, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

  • If it doesn't do much damage then why do you have such a hissy fit over it? clearly you care more than you are letting on. And by saying that you don't acknowledge any word that the anon says, you are also saying that you won't acknowledge any word that I say, and probably Culator and Greyman also, who reverted your edits to the caption. And Wookiee (and Wookieepedia) is spelled with two Es. -- AckbarSigdmirableAckbar (It's A Trap!) 18:55, 15 August 2007 (UTC)
  • I must say, I agree with (- -) on this one. HK-47 is a unique droid, who has no, repeat, NO source for ever being on Taris, or any other Taris-like planet. THAT'S the non-canon part, not Revan/Force sensitive, not the power. If anyone can find a way to word the caption so that it's ambiguous, more power to them, but frankly that screencap is inaccurate, and should be marked as such. Din's Fire 997 03:51, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
    • One thing about this whole argument that I don't understand is that some people are so worried about who is using Force Drain, where it is being used, and who is in the image. The image is there for the sole purpose of displaying Force Drain. Nothing more, nothing less. The "who's" and "where's" and "when's" are irrelevent. The only thing that matters is that the image displays Force Drain being used. It really doesn't matter that it takes place on Taris or that HK-47 can be seen, because the image has nothing to do with HK-47 or Taris. The image has to do with Force Drain. The image is not there to accurately depict an event, it is there to depict Force Drain. I think the caption for the image should just say "Force sensitive using Force Drain" or simply "Force Drain", without saying anything about who is in the image. There is no reason to label the image "non canon" when it is only there to depict the power and nothing else. Besides, I'm still pretty sure that adding a "non canon" label to the caption would violate OOU policy (as I understand it, the only place in an article where OOU statments can be added is in a Behind the Scenes section, while the rest of an article must be written IU). So adding an OOU "non canon" statment under the image would likely violate OOU policy. I'm still hoping that an Admin (Culator in particular, given that he removed the "non canon" label from the image the other night) will show up and contribute to the disscussion. 05:27, 16 August 2007 (UTC)

I just wanted to add that Silri and the Consortium Nightsisters use Drain Life in Forces of Corruption, but that isn't mentioned. Could someone with admin rights please put that in? Thank you. 08:19, 20 August 2007 (UTC)Christopher Fossedal

This image thingEdit

Listen, people, I honestly don't care about it THAT much, but three things need to be said here: 1 - We can't have "non-canon" in the body of an in-universe article. It sticks out like a sore thumb, and I'd like to be able to insta-perma-ban people for doing it. It's the dumbest possible way to go about resolving this kind of issue. Well, maybe the second or third dumbest, but it's up there. 2 - Nobody here has the power to declare something non-canon when it has a fricking LucasArts logo on it. They make canon. Not us. And 3 - Where do you get off assuming you know what's in that image anyway? All it actually tells us is that at some unspecified time, some unnamed Force-user used Force Drain on some person in some hallway somewhere while an HK-series droid watched. That's all. No more.
So DROP IT. It's not worth the stress. -- Darth Culator (Talk) 02:48, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

  • It's not like I actually give a fuck, it's just that 1.) the Exile now is female, 2.) visible Force powers usually are non-canon part of gameplay, 3.) gameplay images, in my most humble of opinions, should be automatically be tagged as non-canon. It's not like it's a big fucking deal and of course it's not worth the stress—nothing on the Internet is. At least add a fullstop like in all other images here. --Master Starkeiller 11:18, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
    • Woah, woah, woah, just where does this "visible Force powers usually are non-canon part of gameplay" thing come from? Since when? I mean sure, for things like |Mind Trick or Force Protection maybe, but Drain? Destruction? The Force has been shown as visable in comics and books as well, that's NOT in question here, or anywhere else.
      And, since it's come up again, I'll explain why I was one of the ones adding the "non-canon" shtick. Until the edit-block was lifted, the discription also included "while HK-47 looks on." I for one could not tolerate that, and at the time there was tons of greif over it the whole "is this image canon" thing, so I took a side. I now clearly see (and am smacking myself in the head for it I might add) that it would have been easier to just remove the HK part. My bad. I admit, I failed to notice it had been changed. Now that the discription is ambigious, I for one shall admit defeat.
      The war ought to be over now, in my opinion. Din's Fire 997 16:01, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
      • Yeah, of course, but the visible Force powers thing, in my opinion, is a big, no, huge, no, gigantic, no, humongous issue, unlike the bloody image. In the movies, the Force is invisible, and that is George Lucas' version of the Force, that is the Force. In games and comics, we get to see the Force because the formats allow this leniency. Any visible Force power except for lightning must be considered artistic lisence. --Master Starkeiller 16:30, 9 September 2007 (UTC)

Jedi Academy Edit

We need to mention that the Reborn also used this ability. In fact, while I was playing through Jedi Academy, they used it so frequently that it got to be really annoying. --Jedipilot24 (talk) 16:28, April 17, 2013 (UTC) 23:53, July 21, 2013 (UTC) Clone Wars Adventures belongs in the links. 23:53, July 21, 2013 (UTC)

Mother Talzin ??? Edit

How about mother talzin ? She was draining bardottans and count dooku in SoD 04 ?--Marco 1907 (talk) 16:00, September 3, 2014 (UTC)

Darth Maul's survival ? Force Drain ? Edit

[1]--Marco 1907 (talk) 12:04, September 11, 2014 (UTC)

I thought that revan used force drain.

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