Talk: Force wielder/Legends

A species or Force entities?

I know this "Mortis Trilogy" is quite difficult to understand, but... perhaps someone can help me. Are those guys (the Father, the Daughter and the Son) meant to be enbodiments of the Force (thus just a personification of the otherwise abstract power known as the Force) or are they a species (i.e. corporeal beings)? When I read this articles and the other ones, it seems they are both. But just how can that be? How can you be both corporeal and ethereal? How can you be then enbodiment of a mystic power and belong to a species? LelalMekha 17:39, February 15, 2012 (UTC)

• To be honest, we really don't know what they are. Book of Sith has some info on them, but we really won't know for sure until more info on them is released. For now, the Encyclopedia lists "Force wielder" as their species, so that's what we go with until told otherwise. CC7567 ^(talk) 00:54, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
  • I tried to include a bit of infoirmation from the Book of Sith in the "Spirit (Nightsisters)". Honestly, it's even more confusing, since they seem to exist in the Nightsisters' "religion" ; but isn't Allyan magic just an archaic way of describing the Force? LelalMekha 01:05, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
    • We don't know that "magic" = The Force. It often does, but in this case we need direct confirmation to say so. Also, I think it would be prudent to merge that "Spirit" article into The Ones article, where the fact that they were worshiped by the Nightsisters can be discussed. CC7567 ^(talk) 01:36, February 19, 2012 (UTC)
      • I'd agree with the merge, but I think I should object for several reasons. First of all, the Ones include the Father, who is NOT mentioned in Talzin's book ; then again, the Ones may belong to the spirits, but they are not alone (many other spirits, sentient or animal, are mentioned). It also seems to me those spirits deserve their own article as they are a proper cultural trait of the Nightsisters' society and religion. LelalMekha 09:09, February 19, 2012 (UTC)

Because We now know that the Ones are in fact highly evolved Celestials, will We change the name of the this species to Celestials? From the killik's description, "the Force wielder" is only the last form of the Celestials.--ScorpiO 16:06, March 19, 2012 (UTC)

• I guess so... Still, it isn't clear at all. We still don't know if they are enbodiments of the "Sides" of the Force. And if they are, how come the Dark and Light sides didn't disappear after their death?LelalMekha 16:13, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
  • Well, They should not be embodiments. Killiks said, that all Celestials are now like them, but these three "stayed". Well I do not pretend that I understand them perfectly, but I think, they represent the Ashla, Bogan and the Balance. That is Why, there is no Mother (Abeloth is not the "true Mother" sice she is not their species). Also, the Killiks said, that The Ones are now "beyond corporial" and can change shapes as they seem fit. I think it is like the Antients from Stargate with their Ascention. Simply, They are not embodiments but they influence the Force like any other, hence The Son is Stronger, the Dark SIde itself is Stronger etc.--ScorpiO 18:05, March 19, 2012 (UTC)
  • They are not embodiments. I think that is pretty clear in the Clone Wars episodes. The Son is actually described time and again as falling to the Dark Side during the events of the three Clone Wars episodes that concern them. He did not fall to himself. Whatever species they are under the new canon, they are three life forms that chose to retreat from the Galaxy in order to protect it from their supreme ability to manipulate the Force. When the Father gave his speech about the Dark Side being stronger now that the Son was stronger and so on, I think he was merely drawing parallels to illustrate a point. --UnimportantHero (talk) 07:39, June 12, 2014 (UTC)

Galactic Architecture 101

Now that Galactic Architecture 101 and the History of Centerpoint Station is online, we can be sure that those "Force wielders" are in fact Celestials: "on behalf of two Celestial architects known as the Son and Daughter of Mortis," but alos "Abeloth was a being created as a servant by the three Celestials: the Father, the Daughter, and the Son." A merge might be in order. --LelalMekha (talk) 08:30, January 25, 2014 (UTC)

• We don't know that The Ones were the only Celestials though, do we?—Tommy 9281 Saturday, January 25, 2014, 08:36 UTC
• I actually initially thought you meant to merge The Ones with Celestials. If you mean to merge this page with either of those, that makes more sense.—Tommy 9281 Saturday, January 25, 2014, 08:38 UTC
  • Well, the way I understand it, the Ones were a family of Celestials. Unless I'm mistaken, of course. --LelalMekha (talk) 08:40, January 25, 2014 (UTC)
  • I agree with that. If there are no further objections, feel free to proceed with a merge as you see fit.—Tommy 9281 Saturday, January 25, 2014, 08:43 UTC
    • If I remember correctly, the son and the daughter gained powers by drinking from the font of power (the son) and bathing in the pool of knowledge (the daughter), I don't know how I know that, but I think I read that somewhere. So, what we can take from this is that the Ones were a family of celestials who became powerful in the Force (Except the Father who I think was already a Force Wielder) and then retired to Mortis. Abeloth then came along and we all know how that story goes. I also remember that the only place the Ones were called "Force Wielders" were on a page on StarWars.com where they were described that way, and I think it was reffering to the fact that they can wield the Force, not their species. I think they were just Celestials who became powerful in the ability to wield to the Force. And so I suggest that this entire page be taken down.Agent es (talk)