Talk:Gorog (creature)

Similarity to the Whiphid?

Dude. That "Rancor Tosser" is nothing more than a mutant whiphid, possibly alchemically mutated. 76.179.132.142 22:18, December 13, 2009 (UTC)

• Anybody else see a resemblance to the Whiphid? They both have front tusks and a scrunched up face. Sure, this rancor tosser has a second set of tusks and is a whole lot bigger, but maybe they're both from Toola? -Thunderforge 01:51, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
  • Not if we're following WP:ATT. CC7567 ^(talk) 01:59, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
    • Doesn't seem very likely to me. Even with sith alchemy this semms immpossible to grow something like a whiphid into this size. Doesn't look very much like it, only similarity is the tusks.--Djj51 18:16, January 2, 2010 (UTC)

"Well whatever it is that thing is massive!" Darth Rorac

I hardly think that that possible can be K'Khruk's alchemy-altered brother-in-law. --H91 14:05, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

Rancor?

It just looks like another type of Rancor to me. Probably a Tyrant rancor, or a mutant Tyrant rancor.—Obi-wan Jacobi File:Jedi Symbol Dark Chrome.JPG 22:48, December 14, 2009 (UTC)

• It seems possible. But the beast in question bears more of a resemblance to a giant mutant ape than a Rancor. The Tyrant Rancor sounds like it would just be a XXL basic Rancor. It might be a good idea to place a reference in the "Behind the Scenes" section though. Te Mirdala Mand'alor 23:01, December 14, 2009 (UTC)
  • The profile-view second image in the article shows that this is almost certainly a huge rancor variant. But until more information is released, it has to remain unidentified. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 18:02, December 15, 2009 (UTC)
• Please read WP:NOR before adding any further speculative content or opinions regarding the creature or it's taxonomy. While I agree with the opinion that the Tosser has one or two anatomical similarities to a Rancor, that opinion is not something that belongs in the article. SinisterSamurai 00:48, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
  • I didn't add it to the article, I only mentioned it here. —Obi-wan Jacobi File:Jedi Symbol Dark Chrome.JPG 00:50, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
    • Stating that it looks similar to a rancor is not OR. It is no different than saying a Zelosian looks like a human. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 01:04, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
      • I didn't do anything wrong by saying that in my opinion it looked like a Rancor on this talk page did I?—Obi-wan Jacobi File:Jedi Symbol Dark Chrome.JPG 01:30, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
        • No worries, you didn't do anything. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 01:38, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
          • Ohh good! *Wipes sweat from forehead*—Obi-wan Jacobi File:Jedi Symbol Dark Chrome.JPG 01:39, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
        • No. The comment was mostly for JMAS, and for the anons who added comments about "Mythosaurs" and "Tyrant Rancors" to the article. SinisterSamurai 01:40, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
        • Just to clarify: Saying "The creature was likely some large variant of rancor." would be OR. Simply stating that it looked similar to something else is not OR. Does that make it a little more clear? - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 01:44, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
          • In your case, JMAS, I was referring to a bullet point that mentions opinions and attributable sources. Regarding your Zelosian example, the similarity to humans is specifically noted in source material. A Human and Zelosian would also be indistinguishable in black and white, particularly since the only visible differences between the two are eye (and blood) color. The visual differences between this Tosser and a Rancor are considerably more significant. I am of the opinion that only the shape of the legs, tail, and fingers bare any similarity to a Rancor, and that the same similarities could be noted in a large number of Star Wars creatures. I have decided to drop the matter after seeing a similar (albeit, far more in depth) comparison in the Terentatek article.SinisterSamurai 02:10, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
    • Some think that the Terentatek is a sith mutated rancor... Perhaps the Tosser is a futher mutated Terentatek? --66.189.37.100 01:32, June 9, 2010 (UTC)KDeg11

Source for Sentience?

As of now, is there actually any source that specifically says the creature is designated "non-sentient"? Is there any statement regarding its sentience level in any way? E.g. identified to be not sentient but not necessarily non sentient? --Darth shohet 00:11, December 15, 2009 (UTC)

Grasping tusks or grasping at straws?

The now-illegible text in the image reads "Grasping Tusks"

This is old McQuarrie ROTJ concept art for the Rancor. Anyone else see a resemblance? Dangerdan97 01:44, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

• There is a definite resemblance there. Its definitely possible that someone might've based this beast off of that concept art. But until someone at LA leaks something we won't know for sure. Te Mirdala Mand'alor 02:21, December 16, 2009 (UTC)
  • It should also be noted that the Unidentified rancor-tossing creature also bears strong resemblance to a rancor. So, it could have easily been based off of either a rancor or its pre-production predecessor. I’m just linking your point to a previously established one. --Darth shohet 03:56, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Tosser

Errmm.. It might be worth pointing out that outside of America - particularly in the UK, Australia and Ireland - the word "Tosser" has a very different and more crude meaning then "someone that throws an item or object". It's a common mistake Americans make when travelling over-seas and an endless source of ammusement to dirty minded Brits. Given Wookipedia's international usage I'd suggest picking a less... objectionable word. Rancor-tossing to implies the same thing. Sorry to have to tell you this, but I thought you should be aware. OrtharRrith 13:13, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

• Wonderful! Now I finally know what the "Dwarf tossing" from LOTR meant! On the article-related note: if you can come up with alternate conjecture name that would not contain any unverified statements, nor any subtle sexual references, be my quest and welcome to try. Just make sure to sign your comments by typing ~~~~. Mauser^Comlink 11:22, December 16, 2009 (UTC).

Well, the simplest answer would be something akin to "Rancor Throwing Creature". I assume that this is more then likely a place-holder name, one that will be replaced if and when we learn the actual name or species of the creature. As it isn't 100% clear that the Rancor died - it had time to groan at least, suggestions such as "Rancor Killing Creature" don't work. Therefore simple is best and as far as I know there can be no sniggering over the word "throwing". Oh and thanks for the reminder about the signature, completely slipped my mind OrtharRrith 13:13, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

• If you're going to move the Huge Tosser, you could always consider something without "Rancor" in the title. Maybe "Giant, unidentified pitfighting creature." That might cut back on the number of people that guess the creature is Rancor-related based on one or two very common physical traits. SinisterSamurai 15:16, December 16, 2009 (UTC)

Possibly a Mythosaur?

I was talking with some of my friends over on TheDentedHelmet.com, and someone posted up the possibility that this thing could be a Mythosaur, since we're all Fett nuts. Anybody else see the similarity?

I know the mythosaur teeth seem to be much much longer, and the face thinner, but I figured I'd see what you guys thought.

There is a similarity, but even then this thing isn't big enough. Mythosaurs were said to be as big as a city. I don't think the Mando'ade could've missed something that big when they purged them from Manda'yaim. 166.137.138.229 13:57, January 3, 2010 (UTC)

• Other than the fact that they are both bigger than a house, I see no similarities. Even if they were similar, adding speculation to an article is a violation of policy. Unless an LFL-approved source comes out and says, "Yes, Virginia, it is a Mythosaur," it does not matter what this Rancor Tosser could be. SinisterSamurai 04:46, January 4, 2010 (UTC)

Now you tell me--FossilLord 22:13, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Speculation

Right. Which is why I didn't add it to the article. I just asked what yall thought...—Unsigned comment by 99.23.227.162 (talk • contribs).

• Also, nobody knows how big a mythosaur really is. The "city of bone" was constructed by two Mandalorian brothers as an amusement park. They even make mention of the fact that mythosaurs might not be that big in IC: 501st. 199.91.34.33 09:46, January 8, 2010 (UTC)
  • Because several annoying (but i am sure well meaning)administrators have repeatedly undone my work i would like to point out here that the creatures face has a resemblance to the Mandalorien skull symbol which would make it a truly ancient and (given mandalorien culture) rare species —Unsigned comment by FossilLord (talk • contribs).
    • 'k. Thanks for pointing that out. It doesn't belong in the article, though. SinisterSamurai 22:34, May 12, 2010 (UTC)

Simpler name

Just as a suggestion, couldn't this page just be called "Rancor thrower" or something simpler than the current title? Teamrocketspy621 19:34, January 26, 2010 (UTC)

subspecies of Dathomiri rancors

Couldn't this be a Tyrant rancor?

The return of a Terentatek

With the Dark Side in full control of the Galaxy during this era, it is very natural to see a Terentatek return. Perfect way to have one reappear in the SW Universe is to have one in a HD video game such as The Force Unleashed II.

Terentatek

132.32.201.9 02:48, February 17, 2010 (UTC)

• Check the sizes. Unless this is the first appearance of a rare, gargantuan Tarentatek, the Tosser isn't that creature. SinisterSamurai 10:09, February 20, 2010 (UTC)
  • It could be if it was a Chrysalis Terentatek...Icepirate 20:25, February 21, 2010 (UTC)
    • We don't know. And we are not here for speculation. Let's wait until more info is released. Gulomi Jomesh 20:27, February 21, 2010 (UTC)

Possibly a Mutant/Altered Gundark?

The Upper body does remind me much of the upper body of a Gundark. Granted things like the mouth and the missing ears for Luke to pull off when he's feeling better definitely are counterpoints to this. Variand 01:27, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Name?

I read in the GamePro issue number 216 that the name of the creature is the Gorog not the murloch or whatever, should it be changed to this instead? --Anju Vena ^{(Nihilus Speak)} 22:43, May 2, 2010 (UTC)

Species or Individual?

Currently the article treats the Gorog as an individual. It seems more appropriate that the article be phrased to describe an/the entire species. Am I just blowing smoke here, or is it a good point? Te Mirdala Mand'alor 04:13, June 6, 2010 (UTC)

New Trailer

A new trailer has been released showing a Gorog ingame. This one looks different from the one featured in other trailers as it is smaller, has paler brownish/pinkish skin, and has significantly smaller tusks. Any ideas on whether this is either a redesign or simple a juvenile? Dark Ridley 01:58, September 9, 2010 (UTC)

Appears at 3:46 in this trailer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shBjPqfgmZ0&feature=sub

• Speaking of the "new trailer", why hasn't anyone uploaded the pictures of the Gorog from it?

Is the trailer or the game cannon?

Now that the game is out should we consider it or the trailer cannon. The Gorog looks completely different in the game and he doesn't throw the rancor out, he eats it whole. Should the picture be changed to the one in the game since it's the finished product? Bshardy 04:41, October 29, 2010 (UTC)

• If you can upload a good quality image of the beast from the game, that would probably suite better than one from a trailer. I haven't had time to play the game yet, so I don't know the difference. Pretty sure game trumps trailer. MasterFred^(Whatever) 04:46, October 29, 2010 (UTC)
  • I just took a bunch of hi-res screencaps from the game. I'm going to upload a few of them so that we have them for the article. The final version of the Gorog looks way better than the one from the trailer. That game really is a visual masterpiece. --DarthZaiger 06:07, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
    • File:The_Gorog_Starkiller_Sup_Bro.png
    • File:The_Gorog.png
    • File:The Gorog angry face.png
    • File:Starkiller v Gorog.png Plus a couple more that I will upload tomorrow, maybe they should be categorized. I'll do that too.--DarthZaiger 08:27, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Article name

This creature is always referred to as "The Gorog", and never as just "Gorog". Should the article be moved to reflect that? --DarthZaiger 15:50, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

• My PS3 is currently on an extended trade with a friend, so I can't check how the game subtitles it. However, I believe the novel calls it "the Gorog", with a lowercase "the". Unless its full name is "The Gorog," I don't think it should be moved. I would, however, support any changes to the article that make it seem like a unique creature, rather than a single member of a species. SinisterSamurai 16:13, February 1, 2011 (UTC)
  • I haven't read the novel, but in the game on the creatures energy bar it says "The Gorog", which is also what Baron Tarko calls it. It's only one mention in the subtitles puts the word "The" at the beginning of a sentence so it's kind of difficult to tell. It is fine the way it is, it was just a though I had when thinking about a category name for the images. Images of Gorog (creature) makes it sound like a species, or even it's name. I think "Images the Gorog (creature)" would be better, but it's really not that important I guess. I changed the article last night to reflect that so far, all that we know is that this is a one of a kind creature. Maybe in the future they will expand on that, but for now this is it. Neither Kota or Starkiller had ever even heard of it before, which leads me to believe that either there is only one, or very few. Thanks for the input :) --DarthZaiger 16:24, February 1, 2011 (UTC)

Appearance change.

Now, I have the Wii version of this game and 'The Gorog' in mine looks different, like it doesn't have the metal thing on it's head, and it has bracelets instead of the metal on it's hands.

I know that he does call it 'the Gorog', but I don't know if that's a "Open the gate that holds our custom creature that belongs to us! Now!" or, "Open the gate that holds the creature that we got lucky enough to find! Now!", but I know that the Wii version(and most of it's gameplay)look different. SHADOW169 was here :) 19:49, April 21, 2011 (UTC)