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Need to lock articleEdit

There has been a recent rash of edits made to the article by unregistered and/or anonymous users that have consisted mostly of bad grammatical content and poor quality formatting, including some deletion of appropriate content previously written. I recommend that the article be locked to exclude unregistered users for this reason. Gethralkin 20:42, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Teth. Edit

Perhaps the Clone Wars tactics was referring to the pick up scene on Teth not the drop off scene.--Butters4115 19:12, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

  • Lieutenant Hawk is pictured in the insertion scene on the CWT card. The line spoken by Skywalker is from that scene. Gethralkin 01:00, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

DeathEdit

In the novel Anakin doesn't call the pilot which was killed Hawk. So it is not sure that he was killed. It could be a other pilot. --Clone Commander Lee 18:51, 10 March 2009 (UTC)

  • I don't think we should list Hawks death because in the episode guide of "Hidden Enemy" it specifically states that cutting the scene mean's Hawk survived.--67.35.70.194 22:55, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
    • The scene is canonical because it was featured in the novel; therefore, Hawk's death is canonical. Read here. CC7567 (talk) 22:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
    • The scene is canonical, not Hawk's death. It could be another Clone Trooper or something, but the episode guide says it was cut which means Hawk survived, the book never identified him as Hawk.--Butters4115 23:02, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
      • Read the page I linked. CC7567 (talk) 23:04, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
        • I just did and we are having the same argument. You have a point, If he was identified as the person who was supposed to pilot the gunship in the movie, why wouldn't he in the novel? But, just like with Slammer, we see them die on screen, but they are never specifically identified. Hawk was never identified in the novel as the clone that died, he may have in the Hidden Enemy episode Guide but, if you use that as your source your contradicting yourself, seeing as it also say's he survives.--Butters4115 23:09, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
          • He's confirmed in the episode guide for "The Hidden Enemy," and the "saving his life" bit is being regarded as misinformed or a joke. The novel canonized the death of a clone pilot, and the episode guide identified the pilot as Hawk. There's nothing more to it. I don't frankly know why he isn't identified in the novel as dying, and if you want to go and ask Karen Traviss why, you're very much welcome to. CC7567 (talk) 23:14, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
            • Well fine, Believe what you want,i'll believe what I want, but, if he show's-up in a later Clone Wars episode, what are you going to do?--Butters4115 23:18, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
              • Then I will admit that I'm wrong, but I'll be waiting until he does. CC7567 (talk) 23:20, 21 July 2009 (UTC)
                • Well thank you for having the courtesy of doing so. And thank you for your time explaining to me. And if he doesn't show-up, I'll admit i'm wrong.--Butters4115 23:24, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

The above arguments are irrelevant in trying to prove that Hawk died. Before the release of The Force Unleashed, Shaak Ti was a character whose death was dramatized in a deleted scene—one that was cut from the film. Just because it was in the original script, does not mean that it is canon. Canonicity does not rely on speculation. If Hawk was not killed in the finished film, then he was not killed. If a scene in a book specifically mentions him by name as dying, then it does happen in supplement to the film. However, if the details are sketchy, then Hawk did not die. Consider, too, the end of Shadows of the Empire, when Dash Rendar is leading the Rebels through the exploding debris from the Falleen's Fist. The novel depicted that the Outrider was destroyed for a dramatic ending. However, the game and the comics afterward retconned that he faked the destruction and entered hyperspace instead. Gethralkin 17:36, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

  • I'm going with Gethralkin here. Especially since the episode guide mentions "saving Hawk's life". MauserComlink 17:39, 22 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Eh, I'm going to have to concede and agree right now. Sorry for all this hassle. CC7567 (talk) 22:11, 22 July 2009 (UTC)

Three outfits? Edit

There seem to be three versions of the armor that Hawk wore: The armor with the custom "hawk insignia"-marked helmet[1], the Phase I armor that has a yellow marked helmet[2], and unmarked armor.[3] It has been touched on, but perhaps there should be further mention of this, showing that there were three costumes shown in the images representing Hawk. Gethralkin 00:05, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

  • It's already in the BTS; I don't see why more would be necessary. CC7567 (talk) 00:11, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
  • I am unsure about the second picture depicting Hawk with a yellow-marked helmet. There were two pilots to a gunship and the scene in the film where Skywalker has him close the blast shutters on the craft show him with plain white armor. Could the yellow-helmeted pilot have been another clone? Gethralkin 00:43, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
    • Of course it's possible, but for all intents and purposes, it's assumed to be him. CC7567 (talk) 00:53, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
      • Well, I only bring it up because only two are described in the text of the Bts, while the image shows the third. Why not make mention of that one in the Bts, as well. Gethralkin 01:12, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
        • Excuse me? The only one described in the BTS is the card. I don't see your reasoning. CC7567 (talk) 01:27, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
          • The quote "normal Phase I clone trooper armor at Teth instead of his standard-issue pilot armor" is describing two types of armor. Gethralkin 02:19, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
            • I fail to see how his customized armor is in any way relevant to the BTS. CC7567 (talk) 02:22, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
              • I was leaning toward production error, if Hawk is shown in one instance talking through his yellow-marked helmet to Anakin, and then shown a moment later wearing different armor. I am going to review the footage and see if I can catch it. Gethralkin 03:28, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
                • Nope. The film is flawless here. CC7567 (talk) 03:47, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
                  • How, then, do we come up with two images showing two different outfits from the same film? Where in the film is Hawk shown with the yellow-marked helmet? The image caption says it's during the Battle of Teth. However, the image showing the plain white armor is when they are sustaining flak hits while descending on Teth. He is turning to respond to Anakin's request to shut the blast shields, when we see his plain helmet. It appears to be similar to the Echo helmet continuity error. Gethralkin 04:07, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
                    • It's quite simple: the card is making the error, since it obviously is not directly from the film, hence why it is noted in the BTS. CC7567 (talk) 04:09, 23 July 2009 (UTC)

Aboard Hawk's Gunship Edit

Among the troopers aboard Hawk's gunship during the landing on Umbara were Rex, Fives, Jesse, Tup and Hardcase, and, though this has been removed from the page a few times now, Dogma as well. Though Kix may not be clearly seen, at 2:25 in the episode, Dogma's helmet can be seen standing just behind Anakin. Bane7670 (talk) 20:13, July 23, 2012 (UTC)

  • Acknowledged and added. CC7567 (talk) 07:13, July 24, 2012 (UTC)
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