Talk: Korriban

Article milestones Date Process Result December 13, 2006 Good article nomination Success March 9, 2007 Good article by Eyrezer March 30, 2007 Featured article nomination Failure May 21, 2007 Failed Featured article nominee December 22, 2008 Good article review Removed January 18, 2009 Former Good article
Current status: Former Good article

Image

A new image is needed - the current one only shows the interior of some sort of temple/ruin/brick monster. --Imperialles 22:30, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

• Why? -- Riffsyphon1024 01:03, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

• Because the current one just shows a tiny glimpse of Korriban through a window? Either an image of the planet from space, or one of the Valley of the Dark Lords should suffice.Imperialles 12:25, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Feel free to find and add one.--Eion 12:35, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

• Done. Imperialles 12:54, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

• Oooh, nice image. I like. --SparqMan 18:16, 19 May 2005 (UTC)
  • Ok I see what you meant now. -- Riffsyphon1024 21:57, 19 May 2005 (UTC)

Not to pose a stupid question, but what exactly was Korriban's significance in the Infinite Empire? I've read the entire entry and there's nothing in there about it. (Unsigned comment by User:216.227.96.165)

• It is not revealed, as I know. The Rakata used the Selkath of Manaan as slaves, so presumably Korriban was also a source of slaves, most likely ancient Sith. - Sikon 02:20, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)
  • Yep. It seems the Sith species were enslaved twice - once by the Rakata, and then again by the Dark Jedi who would become the Dark Lords of the Sith. QuentinGeorge 05:55, 16 Aug 2005 (UTC)
    • Why does this planet keep saying Corporate Sector? Korriban is not and never was in Corporate Sector. All maps show it well outside.
      • The Wizards article places Korriban in the Corporate Sector. - Sikon [Talk] 07:03, 24 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Massassi

The Massassi are simply a caste of the Sith species, not a separate species.

No, according to The Essential Guide to Alien Species, they originated on Ziost, a member of the Sith Empire and its capital. However, both have red skin. Yet, there are differences, the Massassi are also more burly in appearance while the Sith are more humanoid. --222.152.170.17

• Quote from Tales of the Jedi: The Fall of the Sith Empire:

In times long past, the Sith race proved malleable... splitting into a meek and servile slave class... ...an intelligent and nimble engineer class... ...others interbred with the early exiled Jedi--like the ancestors of Ludo Kressh--watering down powerful bloodlines... ...but most useful of all were members of the vicious Massassi class. MarcK 04:16, 22 Sep 2005 (UTC)

• The Dark Side Sourcebook also indicates that the Massassi were simply a caste of the "true Sith" species.

I'd just like to note that there wasn't only one Sith academy on Korriban. There were several. One did not simply originate to fit the Dreshdae colony later (in Revan's time). There were several academy's located throughout and used by Dark Jedi. These were in the times when Korriban was uncolonised.

- Ty

Population

Under the Sith Empire, Korriban had 6 billion people. However, by the time that Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi — The Sith War takes place, there are only a few hundred thousand. What happens to its inhabitants? Perhaps the Sith butchered each other in a civil war after the events of Tales of the Jedi: The Fall of the Sith Empire or they got exterminated by Empress Teta's fleet. Also, much of the population of Korriban and the Sith Empire might have been killed during the conflict that followed Marka Ragnos's death.

Zainal

Incomplete

In KotOR 2 how is Korriban incomplete? Dylankidwell 17:39, 1 Oct 2005 (UTC)

• It is incomplete in the way that it is small compared to other KOTOR II planets and to KOTOR I Korriban. Basically, Obsidian was running out of time and needed a replacement for M4-78 (and somewhere to place the Exile's visions about the past), so they took BioWare's Korriban levels and made those they didn't have time to finish simply inaccessible. Besides, there are a few bugs on this planet, especially in the Secret Tomb. - Sikon [Talk] 11:44, 2 Oct 2005 (UTC)

Genocide

Excuse me, but genocide is by no means NPOV. - Sikon [Talk] 06:38, 30 Oct 2005 (UTC)

• • Who are you talking to and what does NPOV stand for?JustinGann 08:37, 30 Oct 2005 (UTC)
• NPOV stands for Neutral Point of View. What's wrong with genocide? Doesn't it explain what happened to the Sith species? - MyNz 21:45, 30th Oct 2005 (utc)

• geoncide is a word for describing people being killed for there race, or in this case specis. theres really no reason for it to be considered pov, as its just a observation, eg the holocasut was a genocide, there was genocide in rawanda, ect. to give real world examples. 69.115.204.217 00:16, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

A Thought

Is it possible that Korriban may have suffered the same fate as Tatooine during the Infinite Empire's reign? User:RushinSundaws

• Even if it's possible, speculations are not encyclopedic. - Sikon [Talk] 14:46, 4 Nov 2005 (UTC)

First Appearance

Did Korriban first appear in Star Wars: Empire's End or Tales of the Jedi? -- SFH 05:57, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)

• Star Wars: Tales of the Jedi - Dark Lords of the Sith is the first appearance, as it was published before Star Wars: Empire's End. Korriban appeared in the last issue, which features the duel between Exar Kun and Ulic Qel-Droma and the appearance of Ragnos' spirit. - Sikon [Talk] 06:42, 4 Dec 2005 (UTC)

New Pic

Hey, I don't like the EaW pic too much, so how about this shot from KotOR? It looks more realistic, is bigger and even has a glimpse of some of the moons. What does everyone think? - Odintheking 17:45, 18 Mar 2006

Naga Sadow

Naga Sadow was not buried on Korriban. His is the only tomb without a corpse, instead he has a "memorial". It's quite clear that the tomb was built during his reign, and as he fled to Yavin IV, he never used it.(Ulicus 22:47, 9 June 2006 (UTC))

Second look at population

isn't it that the massive drain in the population is due to the fact that the sith renamed ziost their imperial capitol, so all the sith moved to ziost leaving korriban as a holy world for their tombs?

Exports

We need to fix the section that says the major export is evil. We could say the major export is Sith teachings--72.241.196.78 01:39, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

• Agreed. Another example could be the fauna there, since it somehow tends to go "off planet." Oh, and does anyone else know if there is any fauna whatsoever on Korriban?--03:39, April 2009 (UTC)

• Hssiss, tukata, shyracks, that's all I know.

Jedi Academy BS

Should we really include the stuff from Jedi Academy as canon? It's a blatant, unoriginal rip-off of Egyptian culture and the Valley of the Dark Lords as depicted in KOTOR should be considered the canon version. Jedi Academy was a horrible game anyways. I suggest taking the picture down. —Unsigned comment by 96.48.35.147 (talk • contribs).

• Canon isn't based on whether you like or dislike something. -- I need a name (Complain here) 11:58, 29 April 2009 (UTC)
  • It still needs to be resolved though. The Valley looks completely different in the two games.

CRYING MOUNTAIN

For some reason, wehn i read this article, part way down is filled with about 7 pictures of a crying mountain with writing around it!! Is that meant to be there or what? Anomaly Master 98 13:49, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

• Fixed now. -- Reignfire 14:29, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Ajunta Pall arrives on Korriban

So according to my calculations and with Star Wars Old Republic Timeline as a source, wouldn't the first Sith Lord, Ajunta Pall have arrived in 6900 bby? I don't want to add this information to any articles because it would likely be removed, although I think it is useful information.

Visited in 44 ABY?

In Fate of the Jedi: Ascension, Luke Skywalker,Ben Skywalker and Jaina Solo visit this planet... Is this a continuity error? Aren't the One Sith building their numbers there? (- -) 11:52, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Question About Planet Color

There are two different renditions of the planet being in differing colors. One is reddish, while the other is somewhat a bluish grey. Can someone explain the differences here? Do the renditions come from different games, and are they both considered Cannon? Thanks, Lord Zannah

• Maybe it has something to do with daytime? Also, in The Old Republic the Shyrack codex said that once in some time, all of the planet's Shyrack populance exit the caves and tunels and literarry shit on the planet's surface, making in blueish-purple...--Shioroi (talk) 14:49, May 31, 2013 (UTC)

Xim Era name?

So I see at the beginning of the Article that Korriban had another name during Xim's reign. What does that mean? Was Korriban ever assimilated into Xim's empire? What's the need of giving Korriban an alternate name for that time?

Valley of Golg location

It's cannon, but wasn't in the Locations section, so I added it.--Shioroi (talk) 10:37, June 14, 2013 (UTC)

Name Change on The Clone Wars

The name has been changed in the sixth season of the clone wars. Qui-Gon says on the trailer "You must travel to the SIth Homeworld of Moriband" I know the Episode has not aired yet but the name has been changed. Matt Seay (talk) 20:11, March 3, 2014 (UTC)

• No, it hasn't. It's not yet confirmed whether Moraband is simply Korriban or a new planet entirely. There are multiple Sith homeworlds. Cade Calrayn 20:14, March 3, 2014 (UTC)

I was just wondering was all, I know the canon has been bending since that series started and JJ Abrams mentioned slightly bending some things with his movie too. I do hope it is a new planet and not just a re naming of Korriban. Matt Seay (talk) 20:22, March 3, 2014 (UTC)

Shall we have to move the article? (SPOILERS)

Now that the episode guides for "The Lost Missions" are released, we know that "Moraband" and "Korriban" are the same planet. Since TCW is a higher tier of canon, does that mean we'll have to... *shudders* change the article's name? --Lelal Mekha ^{(Audience Room)} 10:58, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

• Nope. Same situation as Dac. It's called Korriban in numerous later sources. Cade Calrayn 14:23, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

Speaking of 'Moraband' it look strikingly similar to the SWTOR concept art on the article page http://i.minus.com/ib2CRtQgRB0ard.jpg (Image from the episode) could that be added to Trivia, or is it, pardon the pun, too trivial?--Tuskin38 (talk) 17:44, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

Its not just strikingly similiar, it has one of the same statues on the surface. I dont think that this page should be moved to "Moraband" until the situation is clarified. Too many possibilities as too why its called that, including the distant possibility it is not actually the same planet as korriban and just a later home world. Its also not uncommon for planets to have multiple names, especially one with three castes of its native race, and over 7000 years of conflict and history serrounding it. ralok (talk) 18:41, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

Also both names are so similar in pronunciation, its entirely possible that they are mispronunciations (romanizations?) of the same sith (species) word. Kor-eh-ban, Mor-a-band, they both have sort of the same rythym too them. ralok (talk) 19:01, March 7, 2014 (UTC)

I'd move it, since Moraband is a G-Canon (or at least T-Canon) name, as opposed to the C-Canon Korriban. Both names should be kept in the article itself, though. JagoAndLitefoot (talk) 02:55, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

Using that excuse we should rename the Mon Calamari page to "Mon Cal" since that is what it was called in TCW, so no that is a stupid reason IMO--Tuskin38 (talk) 14:29, March 9, 2014 (UTC)

I wouldnt, same situation with Dac... Korriban is used much earlier and by the native peoples of the planet. Moraband has only been used much later by non-native residents of the planet exclusively, we dont know enough about why the names are what but given the evidence and the majority usage of "korriban" I think Korriban should be stuck with. For all we know Moraband is just a phonetic mutation of Korriban overtime. This situation hasnt been elaborated enough in order to invalidate the majority works. ralok (talk) 06:11, March 8, 2014 (UTC)

The name change comes from George Lucas himself, he liked the name Moraband better becuase it was a name he had for a while for the Sith Homeworld, so they say that the different incarnations of the SIth have their own name for the planet. Matt Seay (talk) 01:11, March 9, 2014 (UTC)

I propose we move the page to "KB-01 Planetary Object", per Wookieepedia policy. --80.42.121.111 12:49, March 9, 2014 (UTC)

This change (and many others that appear on this show) comes directly from Lucas. I really don't see the point of having the EU take precedence when this comes from the top of the chain. According to the Wookieepedia canon policy, the films and the word of George Lucas are final. Same thing with the Jango Fett/Mandalorian issue, it has been confirmed these changes come from Lucas, so why not apply the policy that exists? Alexrd (talk) 21:21, March 9, 2014 (UTC)

It hasn't been renamed, per the episode guide—it's just one of many names that the planet has been known by. Both "Moraband" and "Korriban" are correct ways of referring to the planet. But, as Cade already said above, we have numerous later chronological sources calling it Korriban, so that's what the article should be named. — DigiFluid^{(Whine here)} 23:01, March 9, 2014 (UTC)

Since Lucas liked the new name better he had them write into the canon that each incarnation of the Sith has a different name for the planet. Matt Seay (talk) 01:41, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

• We ain't moving shit. IFYLOFD ^{(Enter the Floydome)} 02:07, March 10, 2014 (UTC)
  • I don't think we should, I am just trying to give more behind the scenes reasons as to why it should stay. Matt Seay (talk) 02:22, March 10, 2014 (UTC)
    • I actually wasn't replying directly to you Matt, just to the discussion in general. For the record, I agree. IFYLOFD ^{(Enter the Floydome)} 02:39, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

OKay, I was just wanting to clarify lol....with everything Star Wars Lucas's word is final, and if he wants to change the name of a planet he can....... Matt Seay (talk) 04:23, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

• Mmmmnope. He lost that right when he sold it to Disney. Cade Calrayn 07:20, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

• How's that? I don't recall any statement from Disney regarding that (on the contrary, both Disney and Kennedy seem to take Lucas' choices very much in consideration), besides, it doesn't apply here since this was defined before the sale took place. Still, why should EU notability or chronology take precedence over Lucas' desired name? Korriban doesn't cease to exist, it's just an "a.k.a" case. Alexrd (talk) 11:22, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

• • In-universe chronology, which consistently refers to Korriban after the Clone Wars, trumps a one-shot declaration during the Clone Wars. It's the same situation with Dac and Mon Cala. Cade Calrayn 11:55, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

Yes, Lucas sold Lucasfilm and all its assets to Diesney but that made him the second largest shareholder in The Walt Disney Company, meaning he still has a say so, he just does not do the day to day operations anymore. Yes, in in universe timeline still states that the planet is named Korriban after the Clone Wars, no move is needed. Matt Seay (talk) 19:03, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

• Enough guys. Planets can have multiple names; We should know this because Korriban (before TCW) had two names and now it has three. Just like Dac/Mon Calamari and Coruscant. As for the whole canon debate, be mindful of the new story group and Chee's recent Korriban name explanation. Furthermore, because this new name takes place following the dismantle of "G-canon, T-canon, C-canon," Lucas's word is no longer superior. JangFett ^(Talk) 19:12, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

To be fair, all Lucas can do now is just answer some questions writers may have, he just has chosen not to write anything himself anymore. This debate is a bit silly, we know from that past anything in Star Wars can be renamed and given a canon reason for it. This debate should have ended a long time ago. The page is not getting moved, it is not getting renamed, we shall leave the mentions of the other names in the article, I suggest a phrasing like this, "The Planet is most commonly called Korriban by most incarnations of the Sith." Matt Seay (talk) 19:45, March 10, 2014 (UTC)

Clear evidence that Korriban = Moraband?

In this article, it currently states, "Korriban... also known as Moraband by the time of the Clone Wars." Do we have definitive proof that these two planets are one and the same? Or are we just making an educated guess based on visual (and other) similarities? --Richterbelmont10 ^{(come in R2!)} 16:10, March 12, 2014 (UTC)

• Richter, please see the trivia section of the Sacrifice episode guide. If it wasn't confirmed, the information in the article would've been reverted. JangFett ^(Talk) 16:13, March 12, 2014 (UTC)
  • I found it. Shall I add a citation linking to http://starwars.com/explore/the-clone-wars/ep613/ (see Sacrifice Trivia Gallery) after the statement? --Richterbelmont10 ^{(come in R2!)} 16:20, March 12, 2014 (UTC)

Must this debate go on? I mean we should all know by now that the name was changed on The CLone Wars but remains to be Koriban later in the canon. It should not be that big a deal anymore. Matt Seay (talk) 16:33, March 12, 2014 (UTC)

• My question is not about changing the name. It's about proper sourcing of the article.--Richterbelmont10 ^{(come in R2!)} 16:38, March 12, 2014 (UTC)

Okay then, the name change comes from George Lucas for The Clone Wars. See the trivia section of the episode as stated earlier. Matt Seay (talk) 17:30, March 12, 2014 (UTC)

• I know that. I was asking if I should add a citation after the statement "Korriban... also known as Moraband by the time of the Clone Wars" that links to the trivia section of the episode.--Richterbelmont10 ^{(come in R2!)} 18:06, March 12, 2014 (UTC)
  • I already answered that: No. You may, however, citation it in the history section, but please mention the other name as well so it won't be TCW exclusive. JangFett ^(Talk) 18:21, March 12, 2014 (UTC)
    • I didn't notice that you already answered this. Why can't I add a citation after the statement "Korriban... also known as Moraband by the time of the Clone Wars"? Either this statement is true or it's not. If it's true, there should be a citation. Starwars.com is a valid source. If it's not true, that statement should be removed.--Richterbelmont10 ^{(come in R2!)} 19:17, March 12, 2014 (UTC)
      • Richter, please familiarize yourself with WP:S. JangFett ^(Talk) 19:22, March 12, 2014 (UTC)
        • Okay, I read all of WP:S. Was there a particular section in the article you wanted me to pay attention to? At this point, I can only guess that you might be referring to "No sourcing in the introductory article." Yet this article already has two. One of which is, "Korriban, known as Pesegam during the reign of Xim[2]." Source [2] points to the Essential Atlas showing that Korriban was known as Pesegam. Again, I ask why it does not make sense to you why "Korriban... also known as Moraband by the time of the Clone Wars[3]" should not have a citation where [3] would be the relevant section in starwars.com showing that Korriban was known as Morraband. --Richterbelmont10 ^{(come in R2!)} 03:00, March 13, 2014 (UTC)
          • Nah, I've removed the references, as they're unnecessary in the intro. Cade Calrayn 12:29, March 13, 2014 (UTC)

Have we goten this mess sorted out? I hope so lol....Anyone got anymore questions? lolMatt Seay (talk) 19:40, March 12, 2014 (UTC)

Canon

Given that Disney has announced that all now only the movies and TV show are canon, I think this page should be moved. JagoAndLitefoot (talk) 22:03, April 25, 2014 (UTC)

• Wookieepedia as a whole is currently in the middle of heavy discussion about how to treat the announcement of the EU being non-canon. A Consensus Track thread will likely be created within the next week or so with a proposal about how to modify the site about what we do next. This is understandably a very important issue, and since this will affect all of our 110,000+ articles, we don't want to rush into anything without making sure we have a plan. In the meantime, the Korriban article itself needs to stay where it is until this mess gets sorted out. Thanks for your understanding. CC7567 ^(talk) 03:46, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

Image

Is that Battlefront image official? Because I don't remember Korriban being a map. 20:14, September 9, 2016 (UTC)—Unsigned comment by THEJJRAT (talk • contribs).

• Yep, it is. It's from Star Wars Battlefront: Renegade Squadron. - Cwedin^(talk) 20:21, September 9, 2016 (UTC)

Confusing Korriban with Coruscant Source

The section in BTS that states this, what is the source? That's not in the episode guide. Tuskin38 (talk) 16:12, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

• Good question. I can't manage to find anything but speculation. Screenrant mention it in an article: "it's also been speculated, but not confirmed, that [Lucas] felt viewers might be confused between Korriban and Coruscant". I'm going to remove it from the article. NanoLuuke^{Cloning facility} 20:13, 15 February 2021 (UTC)

Volcanic

File:KOTOR II Galaxy Map..png

KOTOR II Galaxy Map

Korriban is Volcanic, not Barren (see image evidence). In KOTOR and KOTOR II, the planet is listed as Terrain: Volcanic. Regardless of not seeing any Volcanos, that is an official source listing it as such. I don't have my KOTOR I playthrough far enough to get the KOTOR Galaxy Map. But please, if you do have it, go back and look at the Galaxy Map. But I'm pretty sure that the Galaxy Map description in both games is the exact same, even though you can't go to Dreshae in KOTOR II. Pauldarklord (talk) 11:47, 6 September 2022 (UTC)

• My understanding of the issue is that the Dantooine Star Map featured 6 world type: grassland, oceanic, arboric, desert, barren and volcanic, with ingame corresponding planets as Dantooine, Manaan, Kashyyyk, Tatooine and Korriban, with the addition of the cut-content world of Sleyheron. Korriban and Sleyheron have been canonically described (and depicted in the case of Korriban) as barren and volcanic respectively, so in my opinion, the Korriban description of volcanic in the galaxy map seems a development hiccup meant for Sleyheron, that was passed on to KOTOR II and oversighted because of its rushed development. This could be mentioned in the article behind the scenes, but given there's no real source regarding this discrepancy, I'd not recommand it. NanoLuuke^{Cloning facility} 15:41, 6 September 2022 (UTC)