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Weak/strong mindedEdit

Was it really only the weak minded? Or is that just what is said? To me it seems like only the strong minded can resist. If it's only the weak minds, then it wouldn't be so common, and does Qui-Gon assume people like Boss Nass and Watto are weak minded? On one hand, it's said to only work on the weak mind, on the other, usually only certain species can resist it. If you are good enough at it, I'd say only the unusually strong mind can resist. -Aiddat 15:16, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, in the RPGs, anyone can be affected by a mind trick, and anyone can throw off the mind trick. It's just more likely that you'll be able to throw it off if you have a stronger will. In the RPGs, creatures like the Hutts, Toydarians and Yinchori possess a natural resistance to them, which means that you have to be exceptionally skilled/exceptionally lucky or your target must be exceptionally unlucky/weak-willed for his kind. Which always somewhat bugs me when people talk about everyone and his brother being immune to mind tricks, since that character "isn't weak-willed'. Another possible reason: the person using the trick hasn't dedicated himself to its study. Someone might even be able to mind trick Yoda. Maybe only once, but it's not entirely impossible.--LightWarden 22:37, 18 September 2006 (UTC)
    • It's the same way with the multiplayer games of the Jedi Knight series. Kreia was likewise able to hide her presence from several Jedi; this is more along the lines of Force Concealment, but it is also very similar to what Obi-Wan did to those stormtroopers aboard the Death Star. Desann manipulates Kyle Katarn's mind with "tricks" throughout the last level of Jedi Outcast, and I suspect (as you can read below) that a trick had something to do with Kyle's perception of Jan's death. So yeah, I wouldn't say it's completely limited to the weak-minded. -BaronGrackle 00:53, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
    • I agree with this interperetation. It seems like there are two "tiers" of ability here - the ability to influence a person, and the ability to crush a person. I think the first ability involves luck and will, as others have noted - this is where a Hutt or others are able to "resist" - they simply aren't influenced (a trait of their species, genetic perhaps, that makes them uniquely "uninfluenceable" (if you will). When "dominate mind" is employed, luck isn't a factor - the Force adept uses the force to enter that person's mind and removes any change of resistance. This, however, like any force ability, isn't foolproof - but it can't be resisted by a non-force adept anymore than a force-push can be resisted. To sucessfuly evade the "dominate mind" technique, the victim must be talented in the force, or trained to recognize and resist it. Simply willing yourself not to be influenced isn't enough to sucessfuly resist the kind of power exhibited by Kenobi in Mos Eisley or later. Sahrin 00:03, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

Desann, Jan Ors's false death, and the Mind TrickEdit

Would it be safe to add here that Desann may have been using an advanced form of Mind Trick to make Kyle Katarn think that Jan Ors was killed on Artus Prime, in the game Jedi Outcast? Here are reasons why I think it should be considered:

  1. We experienced the game through Kyle's perspective. Kyle heard Desann order Tavion to kill Jan, Kyle heard the lightsaber ignite, Kyle could picture Tavion moving to strike Jan (while the player actually sees it), and, finally, Kyle HEARS Jan's death scream. For this to be the result of anything other than a Mind Trick, Desann and Tavion would have needed an understanding between them that sometimes, when Desann orders someone killed, he doesn't really mean it. What he really means is that he wants Tavion to move as if she were about to strike the hostage, stop short at the last minute, and then somehow get the hostage to produce a convincing-sounding death-scream before remaining silent afterward. From my perspective, this sounds like a far more conjectural explanation.
  2. Later, when Kyle has his nightmare on the trip to Bespin, the only phrase he hears in his head is: "On second thought, Tavion, kill her. ::lightsaber strike:: ::Jan's death scream::". If Desann WAS doing a Mind Trick on Kyle, then it would have started at the beginning of his one-sentence command to Tavion and ended at Jan's scream. Perhaps, to Kyle's subconscious, something feels off about that whole series of events?
  3. Listen again to the dialogue between Kyle and Tavion, at the end of their duel (I'm paraphrasing a bit here). Kyle's quote is along the lines of, "I saw her die!" Tavion responds with something like, "Think about it. What did you really see? What did you hear?" Why would Kyle insist that he saw Jan die, if he only heard a fake death scream? Kyle's a little brash at times, but he's no fool.
  4. Yes, Kyle's not weak-minded. But we already know that Desann excels in mind games. Even after Kyle reconnected with the Force, Desann was able to create illusions against him in the Yavin Temple (final level).

I just think it's worth mentioning as a strong possibility, here as well as on Desann's page. Thoughts? -BaronGrackle 21:55, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

  • While I see much logic in your arguments, Wookieepedia tends to avoid fan speculation, unless there has been some mention from officials that it could have been the case, like in the Palpatine disfiguration debate. Soresumakashi 10:08, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Arrogance and Common Sense Edit

One thing that we need to remember here. Keep in mind that Jedi were guilty of arrogance from time to time just like anyone else. When they say "weak mind" they could mean anyone that isn't naturally resistant or Force-trained. In other words, beings with weaker minds than their own. Just putting that out there.

Trace Keryn 06:57, 22 August 2008 (UTC)

Another mind-trick instance in Phantom Menace? Edit

In 'The Phanantom Menace', did Obi-Wan use a mind-trick on Amidala's decoy? If you look at the first scene with Sio Bibble's hologram, when the hologram has stopped, Obi-Wan says something like "It's a trick. Send no reply. Send no transmissions of any kind." and, as he gets up, while he's saying that, he waves his hand in a typical Jedi mind-trick guesture. It could just be his natural movement, but I thought it was worth pointing it out. -Noghri Jedi 15:46, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Complete Rewrite? Edit

"Sorry about the mess. This article needs a complete rewrite for the reasons listed on the talk page."

Except that there don't appear to be any reasons listed on the talk page. As far as I can tell, this message has been on the article page for at least half a year and possibly longer. Do the reasons for it having been posted still exist? And if so, perhaps they should be identified so that said "complete rewrite" can take place and the tag can finally be removed. George B. (talk) 02:37, 11 December 2008 (UTC)

New Quote - Canderous Ordo Edit

[whisper] "I'm amazed at how many people that works on, the galaxy must be full of weak minded fools." That's just my suggestion, I think it's a good one. It's from KotOR when you use the mind trick to convince the Czerka Ithorian you don't need to pay the docking fee (on Kashyyyk). Xanofar 18:23, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Telepathic affiliation? Edit

Quick question. Many mind tricks appear to be related to telepathy by nature (affecting the mental functions), especially the nature of manipulating a person's actual thoughts. I just wanted to ask, are mind tricks (any of them) at all related to telepathy in any way? --Xepeyon You Speak, I've Spoken 00:24, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Hello? Anyone? --Xepeyon You Speak, I've Spoken 03:05, October 30, 2009 (UTC)

Move to Affect MindEdit

Should this page be moved to Affect Mind, as The Jedi Path: A Manual for Students of the Force (real-life book) gives this as its proper name. Purpilia 00:40, January 8, 2011 (UTC)

Maladi and Cade's power Edit

In issue 46 of the first Legacy series, Darth Maladi places visions of fears into Cade Skywalker's head. In return, Cade breaks free and does the same to her. Looking at force fear, it seems to only cover the emotion and not actual inflicted visions. I also thought about Memory Walk, which fits the effect of forcing visions on the target to make them suffer, but it wasn't using existing memories. So, thoughts on what power this is? ZeroSD (talk) 00:52, May 29, 2014 (UTC)

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