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Possibly a stupid question but anyway, if the Null ARC troopers sent to Utapau were considered "black-ops", would that make them Republic Shadow Troopers? -- Riffsyphon1024 05:45, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)

  • If that is the case, then they could be considered that, but I highly doubt it. N-6 and N-10 were not Shadow Troopers, as far as I can tell. Admiral J. Nebulax 12:16, 28 Nov 2005 (UTC)

So what do the Nulls look like. General Nai

  • Just like any other ARC trooper. Admiral J. Nebulax (talk) Imperial Emblem 19:12, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
    • That must have looked odd. Two traditional ARCs running around in a sea of Phase II Clones...
      • What do you mean? Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 20:12, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
        • Well, I guess it doesn't really count, since I'm sure they would have adapted to the updated armor. I was just refering to the Phase I armor the original ARCs wore, but it's just common sense that they wouldn't still be using outdated armor by the time of the Battle of Utapau. I'm guessing they just looked like most of the 2nd-Generation Commanders (Bly, Cody, etc.), right? Since they were technically ARCs themselves, except in Commanding roles.
          • No, I don't think so. We have Fordo with his unique armor, and Alpha with standard Phase II armor, but it doesn't say anywhere that all of the ARCs went from Phase I-like ARC armor to Phase II armor. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 22:06, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
            • I thought the only difference between Fordo's armor and standard Phase II armor was his Jaig eyes. Hmmm...Either way, you'd figure that although the Phase I ARC armor looked really cool, they would either want/be forced to upgrade to Phase II armor. It's not a bid deal though, I was just thinking about that and since they never specify what the original ARCs armor was after they made the Phase II, so I just mentioned it, that's all.
              • As for Fordo, there were other differences in the armor. Also, there was no "Phase II ARC armor"—the only standard ARC armor was the ARC armor similar to the Phase I clone trooper armor. But this does make me think—did the ARCs upgrade their armor as well? But they could have been like the clone commandos, too. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 22:27, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
                • Oh, I know there's no "Phase II ARC armor", that's just my title for the armor that the commanders have that is personally customized (but ignore that anyway, since after commanders personalized their armor, they let some of their troops do it too, so it isn't limited to ARC/Commanders anyway). I would think that the ARCs would customize their armor being that they were the ones who inspired the 2nd Gen commanders to customize their armor. But that's not a solid reason to begin with. I honestly don't know...And I don't understand what you mean in that last sentence.
                  • Well, I meant that the clone commando armor was never replaced, so the ARC armor might not have been replaced either. Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 23:38, 30 April 2006 (UTC)
                    • Oh, ok. That's possible. I wish there could be like an interview with Karen Traviss or Ryan Kaufman (or both) where all of the unknown things about the clones, their equipment, etc. could be answered and explained. It's not too much to ask for, but still probably not gonna happen...

Spar[]

I don't think Spar is a Null. He's one of the Alpha-class ARC troopers, same as Alpha and Jangotat - Kwenn

null class ARCS (only 6 of 12 survived incubation) are 6 inches taller, have more muscle mass, 40% smarter, are stronger and faster than ordinary clones including commandos. their genetics were tweaked to build a perfect soldier, but when the kamonians realized these were clones that even a jedi would find very difficult to defeat, wanted to terminate them at age 2.

A'den[]

In Triple Zero the sixth Null ARC is named A'den. However, he is not listed here and his page on doesn't list him as a Null. Are there more than one A'den? Duke Starhopper 01:49, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Where'd they go?[]

Did Palpatine absorb them into his own black-ops units or what? Not all of them were accounted dead. 72.228.255.171

  • We have no clue on what happened to them. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 19:26, 11 July 2006 (UTC)
    • But, they are in fact implied to hav survived in Karen Travis' book bloodlines. Although we dont know what happened--PyRo 12:34, 24 April 2007 (UTC)
      • It ends up jiang survives and provides a cure for boba fett in sacrifice...--PyRo 12:25, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

I thought Obi-Wan located General Grevious[]

I thought Obi-Wan located General Grevious in Episode III and reported it to the Jedi Council who informed the Republic, not Null-6 and Null-10. Cm56327 19:22, 12 August 2007 (UTC)Cm56327

  • No, Obi-Wan was assigned to go comfront Grievous on Utapau after Null-6, Null-10, and shadow troopers discovered Grievous was on the planet. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 21:36, 12 August 2007 (UTC)
    • Oh, thanks. Cm56327 16:19, 13 August 2007 (UTC) Cm56327
      • No problem. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 16:24, 13 August 2007 (UTC)
        • In the Opera House, Palpatine specifically said to Anakin "Clone Intelligence units have discovered the location of General Grievous." Also, this seems a good place to ask this. Because of the above quote, should we add Episode III (Mentioned only) to appearances? Darth Bassan94 13:17, 22 November 2007 (UTC)
          • Is it possible Palpatine was just lieing about the Clone Intelligence finding him, since he already knew Grievous was there?--Rune Haako 20:51, 6 January 2008 (UTC)
            • In one of the RC novels (cant remember which), it is mentioned that two of the Nulls (Jaing and Prudii, I think) are off tracking General Grievous. While I don't think it's too much of a stretch to say ol' Palpy planted evidence that led them to the General, I would say that they really did find him. Darth Bassan94 23:08, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Null ARCs=SEAL Team 6?[]

Drawing a parallel between Null ARCs and SEAL Team Six is oversimplifying at best. The idea behind SEAL Team Six (now DEVGRU) was to provide the US Navy with its own dedicated counterterrorism unit, similar to the idea behind the US Army's Special Operational Detachment - Delta (Delta Force). Having said that, Richard Marcinko (founder of SEAL Team Six) also involved the unit in Red Cell activities, meant to identify weaknesses that an adversary could exploit. Additionally, the term "Red Cell" is not unique to the SEAL Team Six instance; several elements within the US military have similar organizations.

  • Now that u mention it, it does seem a bit of a stretch to draw parallels here. Also, as Karen Traviss is British, I don't think she'd be modeling clone troopers after American Navy SEALs. Darth Bassan94 13:21, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Were the Null's the Original Clones?[]

On the page: Clone Troopers, it states that the Nulls were the original Unaltered clones, does this mean that they are the oldest of all the clones or just the ARC's?Cipher RC1168

  • Either way, this is false. the Nulls are in no way unaltered. They were the Kaminiise's first attempt to improve on Jango's genome, so yeah, I suppose they are the oldest clones. Darth Bassan94 14:01, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Null ARCs during Battle of Geonosis?[]

I read somewhere during the beginning half of the Republic Commando novel Triple Zero that Null ARCs went to Geonosis? Though I might have to read it again, it sounded like it was the Battle of Geonosis? I know the Clone Commandos participated duing the battle. 'Alpha85 Mod terrik (Kamino Databank) 00:42, 5 May 2008 (UTC)

    • Alright I re-read the begining half of Triple Zero and it does say in chapter 1, that the Null ARCs were to come back from Geonosis and to be terminated. It is the time when Kal Skirata decides to fully take them in. 'Alpha85 Mod terrik (Kamino Databank) 04:12, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Names[]

shouldn't all of the Nulls be given their 'names,' since Skirata adopted them and they dropped out of the army. I mean, isn't that what we did with Jaing. WILDEYE N-25 23:57, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

kal skirata took in the nulls at age 2 when they were to be terminated. by age 6, they were doing things a regular commando was capable of doing. they were so smart, he only had to show or tell them how to do it once!

Equipment and Weapons[]

  • Can someone tell me what equipment and weapons the Null Arcs used? If there is enough information someone could make a Equipment and Weapons section.--Darth Malice the Destroyer 01:56, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
    • Should be the same kit the other spec-ops clones used,seeing as they are also spec ops. i dont remember anyhting saying otherwise. the pictures we have show them with standard issue weapons though, they might has swiched later, but im speculating now...
  • Are they sure that there are only 6 Nulls. It is said there were 6 known Null Arcs and I know the other 6 died before being born but there might have been more than 12. There were 100 Alpha Arcs that were created and the Nulls refer to them as "ordinary" Arcs. They say that as if the Nulls and Alphas aren't the only Arcs and it seems like the Nulls were not only referring to themselves since there are too few of them . Also each individual Null had a favorite weapon and they might be the weapons the Nulls use. Maybe someone could put in a section that says the favorite weapon of each Null.--Darth Malice the Destroyer 01:15, September 2, 2009 (UTC)
    • Definitely only 6 Nulls, and then 6 others who didn't survive during their creation. It's still a developing story, obviously, but at present there have been no hints, canonical or otherwise, that there were ever more than 12 at any given time. The Nulls were not created with the intention of them being what they are, rather they were the prototype pioneered by the Kaminoans for Jango Fett's approval, preceding the creation of the Alpha ARCS--and they were a "failure", hence their Null designation.--Trajec 05:26, October 6, 2009 (UTC)
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