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Disliked by troopersEdit

What's the source for the armor being disliked by the troopers? I'm pretty sure the RotS Visual Dictionary says otherwise. -LtNOWIS 16:20, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

  • Wouldn't the Episode III Visual Dictionary be talking about the Phase II armor, though? Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 21:03, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
    • And I think the AotC VD suggests that the clones were trained to ignore any discomforts brought on by shoddy Kaminoan design (the cloners knew little of human physiology, and so the armor wasn't as comfortable as it likely became with the Phase II model) - Kwenn 21:06, 28 May 2006 (UTC)

Span of useEdit

It would be helpful to people to know the span of the Phase I armor, as there was never any clear indication in the movies. There should be a table such as: Used From XX BBY Used To XX xBY. it would be greatly appreciated!Liberater444 04:28, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

Choice?Edit

Some clones chose not to wear Phase II armor? Do we have a source for this? Or does it refer to troopers such as Able, who wear Phase I armor post-war? In that case, I don't think it's stated he refused to wear the upgrade, but perhaps became separated from his squad before the change, or else the upgrade didn't reach his location - \\Captain Kwenn// Ahoy! 10:06, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

  • Well, there was that one clone advisor. Of course, that also has an OOU reason. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 12:12, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
    • True, though do we know he chose not to wear the upgrade, or he just wasn't assigned it? - \\Captain Kwenn// Ahoy! 15:45, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
      • Yeah, we don't know that. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 20:58, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
        • There was also Phase I armor in Republic 78, which was after the war ended. But it could've just been an art error. I don't recall any sources for the statement in question. -LtNOWIS 21:22, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
          • I forget about Republic 78. Yeah, I think that's an art error, because I believe other pannels show groups of Phase I troops. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 21:25, 6 March 2007 (UTC)
            • The entire comic shows Phase I; one panel would be a mistake, but a whole issue might mean it was deliberate. Also, they're not quite Phase I; they don't have the fins on top of their helmets (making them look a little like commandos) except for one who has a more stylized helmet - Kwenn 08:35, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
              • Well, I specifically remember that lieutenant (due to the blue markings on his Katarn commando armor; after all, that's what it shows). Perhaps they were all just commandos. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 15:29, 7 March 2007 (UTC)
                • It's similar, but not Katarn-class. Looks like regular Phase I armor (like the commander's armor in AotC) with a modified mask (though it's not a commando mask). They're not commandos - Kwenn 15:56, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Am I the only one who finds it odd that the phase I armor weighs FORTY kilos? Folks, that's eight-eight pounds. I think this should be revised.

  • Not really thats about the same weight as a normal foot soilders back pack. -- Awar 13:26, 21 December 2007 (UTC).
    • No, it's not about the same weight as a normal foot soldier backpack... but clones are genetically-altered so they're stronger and can carry 40kg only on armor. --Adler 01:03, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Clone Snowtrooper Armor Edit

Isn't this article about the Standard Phase I Clone Trooper Armor? Does a picture of a Phase I Snowtrooper Armor really belong here? If that was the case then we should also have Phase I Recon, jet trooper, commando, etc armor here. Gry Sarth 14:18, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

  • There isn't an article for Clone cold assault trooper armor, or Jet trooper armor, or Clone recon trooper armor, so therefore, I see no reason to not include the variant Phase I types of armor included here. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 14:25, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
    • The article describes the phase I armor in great detail (20 plates, 20Kg, etc) but none of those facts apply to the Snowtrooper armor picture sitting right next to it, that doesn't seems to have a single component in common to the standard Phase I armor. So I think it's a bit misleading to include the Snowtrooper armor in there as if they were basically the same thing. I just don't feel this picture belongs here, unless the article was expanded to describe all types of Phase I variants, which it currently doesn't do. Gry Sarth 14:31, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
      • I don't think a new article is warranted. Just making a "Variants" section within this article would suffice. Feel free to work on that. I don't have enough source material to do it justice. For now, though, I've edited the article to reflect that Jango helped design the basic armor with the 20 plates and 20Kg, so that it doesn't necessarily mean that describes all variant armor. - JMAS Hey, it's me! 14:34, 30 January 2009 (UTC)
        • Yeah, those small edits help solve the problem. I'll see if I can work on adding a Variations section later on, since the Phase II article has one. Gry Sarth 14:44, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

Color designation Edit

I was doing some research after watching the "Star Wars - The Clone Wars" Decoded episode of "Ambush" where they posted on the screen the information that Red striping on a Clone Troopers armor indicated that they had special training to deal with diplomatic missions and the senate.

My research led me here, and to www.starwars.com. What I found was not what I expected. So, I offer this up to get discussion going to possibly change this article.

A link saying the colors changed meaning during the war: clone troopers "In the first units, color-coded flashes on the armor denoted rank, with green troopers being sergeants, blue being lieutenants, red being captains, and yellow being commanders. The clones designated for command duty were specifically trained in that capacity. By the end of the war, color-designation came to signify not rank, but individual units, who often became more customized with mission specific gear and armor modifications. Units such as the Galactic Marines, the Shock Troopers, the Attack Battalion and the Star Corps had distinct armor variations that made them stand out."

This is reinforced by this page about clone #4477 (Thire) "The red-marked soldiers of the Grand Army of the Republic were quartered on Coruscant and tasked with the protection of the Senate and other governmental facilities, as well as serving as guards and escorts for diplomatic envoys."

Even the action figures started using the colors this way: Exclusive Senate Security Clone


Even this site seems to imply it does not mean rank: 121st wear green, 212th wears orange, 327th wears yellow, 38th wears yellow, 41st wears gray/green, 442nd wears green, 501st wear blue, 187th wears...PURPLE? (nice!) You get the idea...

Within these, all ranks wear the same colors on their armor and are distinguised by rank in other ways.

-- And after doing further research, I noted the comment on the Phase II armor page distinguishing it as the color change point. Not to be outdone, I looked all over and everywhere else supports this, or at least does not conflict. All is now right in the world. I tuck my tail and admit being half-witted. (Beware, some day I will remember where I put that second half of my wit. That will be a glorious day...)

--Kraethor 04:02, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

I think the Clone trooper captain's red color may be from the Mandalorian Neo-Crusaders color of the Rally Master, and the yellow of the Clone trooper commander comes from the Field Marshal. Thats my observation. 99.35.25.25 22:25, August 24, 2010 (UTC)

Possible Origin Edit

I think I figured out the origin of the Phase I armor. The armor and the "T" visor as many already know was inspired by Mandalorian design but the distinctive fin on the helmet may have been inspired by Kaminoian design. I think that because all male Kaminoians have a similar fin like that on their heads and since they created the armor they may have put in that design feature.--Darth Malice the Destroyer 23:26, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

The Clone WarsEdit

In star wars the clone wars, clones wear phase 1 armor, but color means unit, not rank

whats up with that?

the Clone Trooper article says "Some months into the war, however, armor coloration came to denote unit affiliation as opposed to rank." It says "some months into the war" rather than something about Phase II armor. --97.80.118.143 20:57, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

design differences Edit

In The Clone Wars, the armor is different. One example is the knee plate being a rectangle. --Mand'alor te Siit 17:47, December 31, 2009 (UTC)

Disgusting and not for the squeamish Edit

I may be blocked for asking this, and yes, it is nasty, so i will word it as delicately as possible. There is a chink in the armor, a joint if you will, around the pelvic region. Is this in case they have an erection when wearing the armor, and if so, shouldn't it be mentioned in the article? i apologize if this grossed anyone out, and please dont block me if you feel the sudden urge to do so, admins. i asked a simple question that depending on the answer, may or may not affect the article, hence making my question, in a round-about sort of way, on topic.69.61.179.241 19:18, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

erraneous color code Edit

yellow for commander, red for captain and blue for lieutenant? What about captain rex (blue)? commander wolf (red)? i also believe i saw multicolored privates, and a green commander. i move that that particular info be removed, as it is obviously incorrect.69.61.179.241 19:21, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

  • You may be right, BUT......Rex wears blue because he is part of the 501st Legion, they all wear blue. Wolffe's armor was maroon and was also highly customized and constantly changing. It has a wolf design painted on it, it's obviously not standard issue.71.227.40.49 19:35, November 29, 2010 (UTC)
  • The rank coloring system was retained only for some time after the battle of Geonosis, I think. After a while and exposure to the world outside of Kamino, the clones would have developed individual tastes and so painted/marked their armor any way they liked.Daniel46 20:14, November 29, 2010 (UTC)

Light or heavy? Edit

In the first paragraph it says it's made of a "lightweight" composite, despite weighing about 88 pounds total. That doesn't sound very light to me. That's actually heavier than medieval suits of armor and those were made of iron. Then in the second paragraph it describes the armor as heavy. So, which is it? Just conflicting sources?

Also, about "body buckets"...the term was referenced in Medstar II: Jedi Healer and the person described it that way because of the armor's ineffectiveness, not it's lack of comfort. He described how shrapnel cut through the armor with ease, which I imagine would leave the clone inside a complete mess, hence "body bucket", a bucket full of sloppy flesh. It was definitely referenced because of the armor's ineffectiveness, it was described as "practically useless", not it's lack of comfort. Is the term referenced anywhere else? 71.227.44.244 17:51, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

I just looked under "armor" in the Clone trooper article and it agrees with what I said about "body bucket" and also references the Medstar Duology as a source. 71.227.44.244 19:09, April 20, 2011 (UTC)

Armor differenceEdit

I've noticed that the clone wars Phase I armor and the prequel trilogy Phase I armor looks very different from each other. I've noticed the the "T" shaped visor for the Clone Wars at the top is WAY longer than the prequel trilogy one. I don't know if it is just the animation for the clone wars TV show that is screwing up the helmet or they actually did it ON purpose. User:LookatmeIgotaKey

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