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Planetary Shield in A New HopeEdit

There is no mention of the planetary shield of Alderaan, the quote, paraphrased, was, "Despite the Senator's Protests, Alderaan had the strongest defenses in the Empire." No mention of a shield, just the defenses. Therefore, there was no shield Unsigned comment by 66.189.67.134 (talk • contribs).

  • Wrong. Look at the image of the superlaser hitting Alderaan. The planetary shield lights up just before the superlaser destroys the planet. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 15:29, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
    • I've seen the image plenty of times. That is no planetary shield, just an atmosphere being ignited by the superlaser. Unsigned comment by 66.189.67.134 (talk • contribs).
      • Oh, really? Others disagree with that, one of which is me. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 15:37, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
        • From the planetary shields we see in the EU, that wasn't a planetary shield. A planetary shield would envelope over the atmosphere, giving a shine or something. There was no shine over Alderaan, it was just an atmosphere. You're suscribing too much to SD.net. Unsigned comment by 66.189.67.134 (talk • contribs).
          • The first time a planetary shield is ever shown is in the EU, and it looked much different than what we saw in A New Hope. Unsigned comment by 66.189.67.134 (talk • contribs).
    • We must err on the side of lacking canon evidence. Alderaan's destruction have been revisited several times in EU literature and never once has a planetary shield been mentioned. --SparqMan 18:10, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
      • "You're suscribing too much to SD.net". No, I haven't even been to that site. And yes, there was a small shine if you look closely. While it has never been said Alderaan had a planetary shield, it is very likely that it had one. Fleet Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) Imperial Emblem 18:15, 6 May 2006 (UTC)
        • Not necessarily. And I have looked closely, that was more of the atmosphere igniting(which would happen if something of that firepower and magnitude hit, the atmosphere would instantly burn up in a flash) while Planetary Shields give off a different effect, and are a different color than the atmosphere. Unsigned comment by 66.189.67.134 (talk • contribs).
          • The problem I see is that we have been specifically told that they had no "weapons," repeatedly and mercilessly to the point where there was an entire RPG module about it. We've never been told they had no shield. So what kind of defenses did they have that could increase the effectiveness of the Death Star's demonstration enough to make Darth Vader comment on it? Aside from the weapons that we are absolutely sure they didn't have, and the shield that nobody has said they didn't have, what is there? Did they build a moon-sized white flag? They may have been pacifists but they weren't idiots. Darth Culator 00:14, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
            • The planetary shield on Hoth didn't cover the planet, and from what Vader says, Alderaan's defences were as capable as any Imperial world. Perhaps Leia was lying to appear more sympathetic? I don't see an Imperial worlds defences not including weapon systems. 2.222.90.76 22:30, March 13, 2016 (UTC)

Using the EU sources, we have the disarmament and the /Another Chance/. Using the film we have Leia's declaration. While it's possible that she's lying (as she does moments later about Dantooine), the EU supports her. Last I checked, EU was accepted on Wookieepedia. Therefore, for our purposes, Alderaan has no weapons, from both G- and C-Canon sources. Yet Darth Vader tells us that "The defense systems on Alderaan ... were as strong as any in the Empire". The basic forms of defense are counter-attack (impossible without weapons), flight (as in fleeing, which is pretty hard for an entire planet to do), camouflage (how exactly do you hide a planet?) or blocking (as far as i know, only possible with a shield, or by parking the Sun Crusher between you and the DS). Give me any option other than a shield that fits the stated facts. As for the visuals, I think it's blindingly obvious that there's a shield. Others deny that there's even a hint of it. The mere fact that we're discussing it suggests that it's ambiguous. Which I would have thought means that we turn to other sources to clarify. If there's a gap in my reasoning, feel free to point it out. Unsigned comment by 58.6.40.39 (talk • contribs).

And don't most or all heavily populated planets offer planetary shields? 68.126.1.60 23:11, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
  • In the Dark Empire Source book it is specifically stated that Alderaan had no shields. Yet Darth Vader states (In the novelization of A New Hope) that Alderaan's defenses were as great as any in the Empire, and it was known (later at least) the Empire had planetary shielding at the time. So, we have two EU sources here. What do we do? The first thing we do is we look up what canon is.

"When it comes to absolute canon, the real story of Star Wars, you must turn to the films themselves—and only the films. Even novelizations are interpretations of the film, and while they are largely true to George Lucas' vision (he works quite closely with the novel authors), the method in which they are written does allow for some minor differences. The novelizations are written concurrently with the film's production, so variations in detail do creep in from time to time. Nonetheless, they should be regarded as very accurate depictions of the fictional Star Wars movies." ~ Christopher Cerasi

It seems this quote states that the novelizations should be treated with only a fraction less gospel than the movies (at least from how I'm reading it) Meaning both Source Book, and the ANH novel...are both correct, despite conflicts. What do we do then? We use Occam's Razor. Which explanation is the most obvious; which one raises less new assumptions? Darth Vader's quote isn't so vague that the meaning cant be clearly interpreted, but the DESB is far more concrete on the subject material. It gives us a flat, blunt statement. For any one who questions the validity of the DESB, I present yet another quote from this very site "Background information given in the RPG sourcebooks such as biographies, stories, blueprints, etc. is proper canon."

Occam's Razor states to find the truth you must seek the answer that is most obvious, or the one that raises fewer new assumptions. Due to what is and is not canon in Star War, and with the added weight of Occam's Razor, I, personally, can only see room for the theory that Alderaan did not have planetary shielding. As for the flash seen over the planet? I'm afraid that by simply looking at the sphere of the planet itself one can see that it is not extra-atmospheric, but seems to be with in the area of the atmosphere itself. With how the Death Star's super laser destroyed a planet like Alderaan in such a swift and violent manner, the power it would need to do so would have had to have been absolutely immense. I see no reason why the flash seen can not be assumed as the atmosphere igniting before the planets apocalyptic end.74.124.124.102 05:57, March 4, 2012 (UTC)Darth Aryx

Do planetary shields have to encompass the whole planet? Could Alderaan's shields not be similar to those on Hoth, protecting key locations, rather than an entire world? If that was the case, it would certainly disrupt conventional orbital bombardment and make even a BDZ difficult to achieve. I would have thought if the original flash was a shield, it would have been shown in a much less ambiguous way. I personally don't see a shield, either, but friends of mine do. If the point is this contentious, maybe we shouldn't have something that is so apparently open to interpretation stated as canon. 2.222.90.76 22:21, March 13, 2016 (UTC)

EAW and FOC Edit

Should not Star Wars: Empire at War and Star Wars: Empire at War: Forces of Corruption be listet as appearances? Those Base Shilde Generators are like Planetary shields. 84.176.226.114 22:33, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Odd Wording Edit

"Battlestations such as Torpedo Spheres or Death Stars were designed to penetrate planetary shields." Isn't it the attack that is penetrating the shield, not the station? 209.146.10.10 19:10, 3 December 2008 209.146.10.10 19:10, 3 December 2008 (UTC)magoo123

I agree. It should be something along the lines of: "The weapons on Battlestations such as Torpedo Spheres or Death Stars were designed to penetrate planetary shields."

First Mentioned Edit

Shouldn't there also be a First Mentioned label in the sources section? Its still truly ambiguous as to whether or not Alderaan did have shields, and since there is no actual mention of them in A New Hope it is rather improper to label the movie (and even the novel) as being the first source. If I'm not mistaken, and I most likely am as I haven't read every single book and publication to date, but I think I remember seeing some where that The Last Command by Timothy Zhan was the first mention of a planetary shield?

Removal of Alderaan's reference Edit

I think we should remove the references to Alderaan's having an all-encompassing shield around the entire planet. This is a point of contention, many people think it does and many think it does not with insufficient canon evidence to conclusively support either claim. I think we should remove supposition and assumptions from the page until something more concrete is mentioned. 2.222.90.76 22:24, March 13, 2016 (UTC)

The shielding effect used in the 1997 rereleases and The Clone Wars was pretty concrete. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 13:26, October 27, 2016 (UTC)
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