Talk: Qui-Gon Jinn/Legends

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The visions after his fight with Maul

"The end result was Qui-Gon being hit in the chin with Maul's saberstaff hilt, leaving him momentarily stunned, and the Sith mercilessly impaled him through the stomach. As the Jedi Master crumpled to the floor, Obi-Wan freed himself from his laser prison and engaged Maul. Upon being struck, Qui-Gon saw visions of the future, including Anakin's turn to the dark side as well as the fall of the Jedi Order and the Republic. During Obi-Wan's duel with Maul however, Qui-Gon saw Anakin return to the light side, thanks to the efforts of his son, and destroy the Sith (Darth Sidious and himself), bringing balance to the Force." Where did you get that from? Is that so common knowledge or how comes there's no source for it? Thx for any answer 188.192.250.22 15:38, September 20, 2009 (UTC)

It is from The Phantom Menace novel I presume

It's not in the novelization; it's fanon. Ruthless Xero 07:28, June 18, 2010 (UTC)

About his legacy

I think it should be mentioned that Qui Gon's death is a large portion or why both Dooku and Anakin joined this sith, also that his death is the main reason the Jedi started to take the threat of the Sith seriously once again, and started the 13-year hunt for Darth Sidious/Palpatine. —Unsigned comment by 76.69.66.40 (talk • contribs).

• • While Qui-Gon's death was certainly a contrbuting factor in the hunt for the Sith, I would hardly have considered it the main reason. The main reason was the discovery of the Sith. The Jedi at the time had pretty much thought that they had wiped out their arch enemies thousands of years ago. When they unexpectedly re-emerged, the Jedi saw it as a potential threat to the Order. SoresuMakashi^{(Everything I tell you is a lie)} 03:02, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
    • However, Qui-Gon's death is one of the primary reasons that Dooku became disillusioned with the Jedi, and contributed to his final push into the dark side. Although he had touched the dark side early in his youth, Dooku was really able to rationalize the Sith philosophy after the death of his former apprentice. This is mentioned in Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force in a holorecording created by Dooku himself. Shouldn't there be some mention of this in the "Legacy" portion of this article? Qui-Gon Reborn 05:40, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
      • I also think that if Qui-Gon hadn't died, and by that I mean, he was the one who killed Maul instead of Maul killing him, he could have defeated the Emperor. User: DogoHalibar
        • This is your own personal speculation. SoresuMakashi^{(Everything I tell you is a lie)} 03:02, 15 November 2008 (UTC)
          • So was Obi-Wan's idea that Vader killed Anakin. User: Dai-Kon Hal
• As I said above, Qui-Gon's death is one of the primary reasons that Dooku became disillusioned with the Jedi, and contributed to his final push into the dark side. Although he had touched the dark side early in his youth, Dooku was really able to rationalize the Sith philosophy after the death of his former apprentice. This is mentioned in Jedi vs Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force in a holorecording created by Dooku himself. Shouldn't there be some mention of this in the "Legacy" portion of this article? If no one objects, can I put this in? Qui-Gon Reborn 06:27, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
  • You don't need to ask permission to edit a page. Toprawa and Ralltiir 08:00, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
    • I know, but it seemed to be a hot topic, and I didn't want to upset anyone. Thanks for letting me know. Qui-Gon Reborn 04:42, 20 November 2008 (UTC)

Qui-Gon's Poncho?

In the personality and traits section, it says that "he had a subtle attention to detail, seen as here wore a moisture farmer's poncho to blend in with the Mos Espa locals." How would that be having a subtle attention to detail? Even Padme didn't dress like a handmaiden, and any Jedi would wear a disguise. Does anyone but me think that a better explaination is required?--Tahlismyhero 17:07, 2 December 2008 (UTC)Tahlismyhero

• Well, Padme did dress like a handmaiden, or Qui-Gon would have guessed that she was the queen sooner. And he did have a subtle attention to detail, as seen in his exploitation of Watto's greed, and subtle shifts in the moods of those around him, the ability to hide his emotions from his master when he was a Padawan...

But I see what you're saying, and I think somebody needs to sort of amend that part. If you want to do it, go right ahead. If not, I'll do it when I get a chance. May the Force be with you! Qui-Gon Reborn 05:54, 3 December 2008 (UTC)

• Alright, good work. I tweaked it a bit, though, but it's fine now. Thanks! Qui-Gon Reborn 22:16, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

Personality and Traits

Jinn always does things his own way, always sure he is right, always incredulous if we do not see it his way. Some think he is a gray Jedi.

Can anyone come up with a better quote for the personality and traits section? There's absolutely no evidence to support the idea that Qui-Gon was a "Gray Jedi," and I do not know where this unsourced quote even came from. Help! Qui-Gon Reborn Enter the realm of the fifth dimension... 11:12, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

• The quote's not unsourced. Click on the little link next to it - there's your source. QuentinGeorge 11:39, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
  • Ah, didn't see it. Teach me to edit at 2 in the morning. :P I guess I'll try and get a better quote, myself. I was thinking of working on the article as a whole, anyway. Qui-Gon Reborn Enter the realm of the fifth dimension... 05:12, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Knighthood

Judging by various factors, I have come to the conclusion that Jin became a knight around 72-73 BBY. I got this date by taking the fact his age is stated as sixteen when he and dooku confronted Lorian Nod, so this puts this incident at 76 BBY. Then, giving a year for further training, then the "two year long mission," puts his knighthood between 71 BBY and 73 BBY (assuming he became a knight immediately after the two year mission). Any thoughts? I cant believe i just sat here and worked all that out, spose thats what comes out of boredom :P The General 21:58, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Qui-Gon Jinn's Age

In his infobox it says that Qui-Gon was born in 92BBY, so that makes him have 60 years in Episode I, personally I find that hard to belive,but he is really 60 or it is typed wrong? S.Mand'alor 03:01, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

• Regardless wether or not you find it hard to believe, he was 60 years old during Episode 1. Its not so far fetched, considering he was a Jedi, and in great physical shape, as are a majority of Jedi due to their constant physical training, not to mention the advanced state of medical technology of the galaxy. Liam Neeson was 45-46 while filming and is 57 now and hardly looks any different, so take from that what you will. OLIOSTER ^(talk) 03:18, December 30, 2009 (UTC)

Thanks.Te Shukalaryc Mand'alor 01:40, January 6, 2010 (UTC)

Did you forget the fact that those with the strongest connections to the force human or not seem to live much longer then those who are weaker in the force its probably due to the influence of the high numbers of Midi-chlorians in their cells remember they can effect other lifeforms and Darth Plagueis even used them to create new life.

Stark Hyperspace War

I think that a section talking about his involvment on the Stark Hyperspace War should be created, what do you guys think?189.89.68.244 02:02, October 4, 2010 (UTC)Okat Dayo

Clone Wars

Was he really played by Fred Tatasciore there? IMDB has it listed as Liam Neeson, and it was a damn good imitation if that's not true. --70.181.69.222 02:41, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

• Yes. You're thinking of The Clone Wars, which is a different series. -- I need a name (Complain here) 19:46, February 3, 2011 (UTC)

His Force Ghost

This has been bugging me for a while and I'm sure this has been resolved but; when Qui-Gon Jinn died in Ep.1 why didn't he disappear like Yoda and Kenobi when they died and became Force Ghosts? I read that a possible reason is that Obi- Wan and Yoda may have progressed the technique to the point where their bodies could disappear automatically but I don't know for sure, can someone answer my question? Da Moonites 05:28, April 6, 2011

• Recall that Anakin became a Force ghost too, but his body was cremated. There is precedence. Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith ^{-Just shy, not antisocial: You can talk to me!-} 19:46, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

Apprentice confirmation

Scott Allie confirmed via Twitter today (19 May 2011) that the character of Feemor, featured in Jedi—The Dark Side 1, was his first apprentice. Taral, Dark Lord of the Sith ^{-Just shy, not antisocial: You can talk to me!-} 19:44, May 19, 2011 (UTC)

TCW Force Ghost

Why does Qui-Gon appear to Obi-Wan as a Force Ghost when it is stated in Life and Legend of Obi-Wan Kenobi that he first appeared to Obi-Wan on Tatooine, after he defeated Vader on Mustafar? Also, I saw Qui-Gon appear to Obi-Wan and Yoda (after the duel on Mustafar and before Obi-Wan goes to Tatooine) in the Star Wars Ep. 3 RotS video game. Which is canon? TCW is terrible. Wish it would be announced as non-canon. GeneralKenobi96 06:44, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

• Try the Knowledge Bank for a more expert answer. And regardless of whether or not you like TCW, it's canon, with George Lucas's own hand in the dealings. Only the movies trump TCW in canonicity. Korsa3 07:04, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
  • Really? I thought it wasn't determined yet. Guess I was wrong. GeneralKenobi96 15:27, June 8, 2011 (UTC)
    • Yup, It has. You may find this insightful in the future. Korsa3 17:00, June 8, 2011 (UTC)

First and Last Name

I have a question which is the First and Last Name of Qui-Gon Jinn? --Cococrash11 06:02, September 20, 2011 (UTC)

Jedi Guardian?

Where is this info coming from? In the Jedi Guardian list it says he is a jedi guardian but where is this source coming from? BlasterS33 09:42, November 24, 2011 (UTC)

• I've had the same question but apparently, it's because he's often described as a "great warrior"...--Shioroi (talk) 14:41, May 27, 2013 (UTC)

Qui-Gon's Real Trainer?

In the Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace (novel) it states that Qui-Gon was impressive with a lightsaber, and was told that he was one of the best his trainer had ever seen in his 400 years in the Jedi Order. Are we to assume this is Yoda, or are we just assuming it could have been some class or something? The Man Himself, Paramecium302 12:09, December 6, 2011 (UTC)

Infobox Picture

I've uploaded a cropped version of the image found on the encyclopedia article of Qui-Gon, in order to replace the infobox picture. This new one has better quality and more resolution, but I'll put the change to a vote:

Option 1 (Current)

Option 2

Option 3

Option 1

I prefer the neutral background color here - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 01:18, January 11, 2012 (UTC)

1. Less of a "Qui-Gon Jinn is about to lightsaber you" look. Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 03:28, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
2. Instead of an ugly green background and glowy hair, this is a more presentable image that looks good. JangFett ^(Talk) 05:36, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
3. I like the current. The background on the others is too stark, like a cheap Photoshop chop-job. The reflected light on the hair against a dark background clashes. Granted, the clarity is better, but the composition of the other two is not. Trak Nar ^{Ramble on} 05:41, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
4. Actually I'm gonna agree with Trak and Jang. I'm so over those backgrounds. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 05:52, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
5. Stoic, rather than angry. That's Qui-Gon for ya. Menkooroo 06:02, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
6. Per all above. Master Jon (Training Room) Thursday, January 12, 2012, 06:07 UTC
7. Toprawa and Ralltiir 06:09, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
8. LelalMekha 09:16, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
9. Peace, not hate. Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 14:49, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
10. —Cal Jedi ^{(Personal Comm Channel)} 14:51, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
11. Jayden Matthews 14:57, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
12. 1358 ^(Talk) 15:27, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

Option 2

1. As I've said, I prefer this one. Better quality and resolution. Alexrd 13:25, January 10, 2012 (UTC)

Option 3

1. Changed my mind. The quality of this image is much better. But I prefer the closer in headshot. - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 01:47, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
2. Yes. Although the picture could be saved in PNG so that it can retain more quality. Alexrd 12:07, January 11, 2012 (UTC)
   • The native format of the image, as it's uploaded on StarWars.com is JPG. Changing the format serves no purpose, whatsover, and changing a native JPG image to PNG does not improve the quality. ;) - JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 02:44, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
   • I meant save as PNG after cropping. Alexrd 10:55, January 12, 2012 (UTC)
3. Bella'Mia 05:25, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

   Although I would prefer if we could get rid of the dumb cloudy backgrounds on those encyclopedia images. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 05:37, January 12, 2012 (UTC)

Silver Forest of Dreams

Should we add that Qui-Gon once visited the Silver Forest of Dreams on the planet Kubdini?KitFisto19BBY 18:21, March 3, 2012 (UTC)

• Include it and cite the appropriate source using the proper citation guidelines. Gethralkin^Hyperwave 06:09, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Main Quote

Change to new quote

I propose a change to the main quote. One from the movies, more easily identifiable, and that sums up Qui-Gon's doctrine and belief:

"Remember, concentrate on the moment. Feel, don't think. Use your instincts."

―Qui-Gon Jinn to Anakin Skywalker

1. Per the reasons mentioned above. Alexrd 11:59, April 25, 2012 (UTC)

   —MJ— _{Council Chambers} Wednesday, April 25, 2012, 23:30 UTC

Mantain present quote

"I'm not testing you, Obi-Wan. Life tests you! Every day, it brings you new chances for triumph or defeat. And if you pass the test, it doesn't make you a Jedi. It makes you human."

―Qui-Gon Jinn, to Obi-Wan Kenobi

A third option

I much prefer this as the main quote:

"A true Knight, Qui-Gon is. Forever on his own quest."

―Yoda

1. It sums up his maverick-ness and individuality. I feel like the suggested quote could have been said by any Jedi. This one is a bit more unique to Qui-Gon. Darth Trayus^{(Trayus Academy)} 05:54, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
2. I have to concede that this does describe him better.—Gethralkin^Hyperwave 05:41, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
3. Menkooroo 06:40, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
4. Nahdar Vebb 08:15, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
5. JangFett ^(Talk) 15:22, April 29, 2012 (UTC)
6. Much better than either of the above. —MJ— _Comlink Sunday, April 29, 2012, 16:37 UTC
7. JMAS ^{Hey, it's me!} 00:02, May 1, 2012 (UTC)

Discussion

I think the first quote shows his exclusive council thanks to his belief in the living Force, and it's arguably one of the most well known quotes from him. The suggested quote is almost contradictory with Yoda's behaviour in the movies, where he clearly reprimends Qui-Gon's rebellious nature. Alexrd 09:40, April 29, 2012 (UTC)

Lightsaber

Jinn looses his lightsaber on Telos in the last of the Dark Side series so does that mean he had two lightsabers in his life? 124.180.135.99 06:54, August 22, 2012 (UTC)

New main image

Hey everyone,

AlexRD just uploaded a great new headshot of Qui-Gon. Let's do an image vote! Please don't add any new options.

Current image

New proposed image

Option 1

1. I'm not liking Option 2's lighting, specifically the glare that makes him look—for lack of a better term—like Jesus. Option 1 is more balanced color-wise, and his expression isn't as hard. CC7567 ^(talk) 15:28, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
2. I still prefer this one. Maybe put the new one in the P&T section? Corellian Premier^{All along the watchtower} 15:30, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
3. Per CC.DarthRevan1173 (Long live Lord Revan) 15:41, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
4. Both are suboptimal. Clone Commander Lee ^Talk 16:02, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
5. The lighting on option 2's just a bit weird for me. I also like having the lightsaber in the image since its an iconic thing. Commander Code-8 ^{To say hi, press 42} 04:05, October 14, 2012 (UTC)
6. The original image is a bit more iconic, and I'm concerned about the untraceability of the new one. -- Darth Culator ^(Talk) 16:01, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

• • What do you mean with "untraceability"? Alexrd (talk) 14:13, November 6, 2012 (UTC)

Option 2

1. I like the new image. The quality's better, and he looks almost spectral. He also looks wise and stoic rather than ready for a fight. AlexRD, tell us more about this Pepsi style guide and we (or you, if you want) can create an article for it. Menkooroo (talk) 15:26, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
2. I've uploaded the new picture specifically for the article's infobox, since I think it fits much better than the current one. He looks more calm and stoic, and is facing forward instead of being in an attack pose (which I don't think fits as an infobox picture). I can reduce the glow, if enough people feel it's necessary. The Pepsi style guide is composed by press/publicity material from Pepsi's promotional campaign of the movie back in '99. I don't think it deserves an article though. Alexrd (talk) 15:36, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
3. Per Menkooroo. This is what I call a portrait: it really captures the personality of the subject even in a neutral pose. --LelalMekha (talk) 16:25, October 13, 2012 (UTC)
4. I prefer this image as well. Ressor (talk) 21:08, October 13, 2012 (UTC)

Discussion

• I have removed the glow. See if you like it better this way. Alexrd (talk) 10:11, October 14, 2012 (UTC)

Darsha Assant

In the book Shadow Hunter, it states that Darsha Assant had an instructor which was revealed to be Qui-Gon Jinn. But because he was not her master formally, should she be included in the apprentices section of the infobox? 60.230.97.24 09:42, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

No, she was never his padawan. Jinn was not her master he like many Jedi Masters taught at the Temple Academy and Darsha happened to be in one of those classes which are known as "clans". Each temple instructor has numerous initiates in their classes.--24.18.163.5 09:59, December 30, 2012 (UTC)

Sparing on par with Windu?

Do we have a source for this? Councilor 'Rumilee (talk) 04:08, March 6, 2013 (UTC)

No. I checked the encyclopedia, novelisation, and other sources. Nowhere does it say Quigon could spar with Windu as an equal. I think this is probably fake. --Vensai (talk) 07:27, April 21, 2013 (UTC)

Fighting Form

I assume it's in the Episode I novelization that it says Jinn specializes in Ataru, but regardless of that, in the sources I've seen (attmitedly few), Ataru seems the least applicable to him. His usage of and stress on the Force, coupled with the direct, simple attacks, Niman seems more applicable. Should we add a comment pointing this out? And feel free to correct me if other sources show him fighting in a much more Ataru style, or if they explain this seeming inconsistency. Swordser Buddy (talk) 06:45, June 2, 2013 (UTC)

Jedi Master

I'm having a hard time discovering which source says that Qui-Gon became a Master in 59 BBY. Care to help me? Lord KOT (talk) 00:19, February 8, 2014 (UTC)

• Now you're asking, I can't seem to find that too. While I did find Xanatos's dates of birth (66 BBY), date of enrollment in the Jedi Order (63 BBY). From Legacy of the Jedi, it appears that Q-G became a Jedi Knight in 74 BBY, that is when he was eighteen. However, The Death of Hope has Q-G considering to take Xanatos as his apprentice when he "had just become a Jedi Knight," which is 8 years before Xanatos was even born. The timeline is pretty faulty here. --LelalMekha (talk) 01:14, February 8, 2014 (UTC)
  • Actually, Xanatos was born in 69 BBY. He was sixteen when he fell to the dark side, last I checked. Maybe Qui-Gon considered taking in Xanatos as his Padawan after Feemor passed the trials, but this is pure speculation. Lord KOT (talk) 21:45, April 28, 2014 (UTC)

Makashi

I have every reason to believe that Qui-Gon had practiced Makashi as well as Ataru. A few of the Jedi Apprentice books, Dark Rendezvous, and the Revenge of the Sith give us a few descriptions of how he had fought, what he knew of Form II, and the times Dooku fenced with him (yes, it says so on chapter 3). Long live the Sith (talk) 19:13, September 12, 2014 (UTC)

Does it actually explicitly say anywhere that the Priestesses taught Qui-Gon?

I've not found anywhere in the episodes, the episode guides or the (new) databank that supports Qui-Gon ever being trained by the Force Priestesses, or ever even having had contact with them. Is this speculation, or does this have a valid source?--Jace Onasi (talk) 10:23, March 12, 2017 (UTC)

Typo?

Is there any reason why the legends half of this page keeps referring to both Anakin and Luke as Skywalker? --Blockade3 (talk) 00:24, November 28, 2019 (UTC)

Conflicting Sources

Per the conflicting sources disclaimer on top of the page, per the Legends canon hierarchy system, would The Phantom Menace not take precedence over any conflicting events or information given by the games? As such, should it not just be the games themselves in the template? - Thannus (DFaceG) (he/him) (talk) 20:38, 15 August 2023 (UTC)