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  • Please read the article, this is article is for rebel pilots for the rebellion before it was legitimatized into the Alliance to Restore the Republic. The infobox already mentions that these pilots were later reorganized into Rebel pilots of the Alliance. –Nivlacanator(talk) 05:02, January 8, 2017 (UTC)
    • The Star Wars: The Visual Encyclopedia considers both pre alliance and alliance pilots separate and not together--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 17:34, October 20, 2017 (UTC)
      • In what way? --Lewisr (talk) 17:35, October 20, 2017 (UTC)
        • Pilot section classifies per organization, Separatist, Republic army, Imperials, Early rebel movement, Rebel Alliance, FO, Resistance. Someone forgot to add the source here, but well they're not classified as Rebel pilot--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 17:38, October 20, 2017 (UTC)
          • We still have on the page that rebel pilots served the rebellion, it was more that to include them all on one page rather than two, if there are real differences between the two it can be noted on the page --Lewisr (talk) 17:40, October 20, 2017 (UTC)
            • Still they're from different organization like Rebel Intelligence or Rebel fleet, it just reformed/rename, if we go by that New Republic pilot would be the same page as the Rebel pilot since NR pilots come from the Rebellion pilots.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 17:44, October 20, 2017 (UTC)
              • I remember a discussion on your talk page a while back that never really got resolved about this sort of thing, maybe its time we brought it up again because for things like the rebel pilots/technicians/rebel command etc I don't personally see why they'd need to have 2 separate pages when we can state on one page that they served both the rebellion and the Alliance and make note of any distinct differences. We just need to get more opinions as its usually the same people discussing it and we never really come to a decision --Lewisr (talk) 17:57, October 20, 2017 (UTC)
                • Agreed. I'm strongly of the opinion that we need to stop treating "the rebellion" or the "Early rebel movement" as a faction in its own right. We made up "the rebellion" as a catch-all term after Fire Across the Galaxy because we needed to reference what we had seen in that episode, which we eventually learned was Phoenix Squadron. Since then this idea has solidified here on Wookieepedia that "the rebellion" is an organization. It's not. Things like Phoenix Squadron and the Massassi Group are pre-Alliance factions. These rebel cells coordinated with one another and were part of an overall movement, but not a faction. That doesn't change until Secret Cargo when these independent but coordinating factions come together to form the Rebel Alliance. Those operating as Rebel intelligence operatives became the Rebel Alliance Intelligence Service, but it doesn't represent the end of one organization and the beginning of another. Rebel Command coordinated between the cells, but it's not like that ceased to exist in order to usher in the creation of Alliance High Command. The cells and their coordinated efforts simply evolved and merged together under one banner to become the Alliance to Restore the Republic. This Rebel pilot page is no different. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 18:15, October 20, 2017 (UTC)
                  • Strongly disgree with that, yes the pre alliance was a collection of rebel cells, and still there was an organization with rebel command all that stuff. Is not a 100% organized faction, but it was connected just like its been mentioned as rebel network in some sources or the early rebel movement on the TVE and other sources. Its not that they ended the organization of rebel command and created High command it was simply a change of name, like evolving --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 18:32, October 20, 2017 (UTC)
                    • Network connections don't mean a formal organization exists. They all operated together as allies. The alliance was formalized under one banner when the Rebel Alliance was founded. Plus, by saying "it was simply a change of name, like evolving" then that's a mark in favor of combining the pages into one. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 18:35, October 20, 2017 (UTC)
                      • Per TVE "The crew of the starship the ghost begins challenging the Empire long before they learn about a larger rebel organization. While fighthing back on the planet Lothal, their defiant deeds come to the attention of rebel leaders - who are uniting the patchwoek cells into a more fomral Rebel Alliance".--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 18:40, October 20, 2017 (UTC)
                        • The keywords there are "who are uniting the patchwork cells into a more formal Rebel Alliance." That makes clear that these cells are just beginning to operate together, and that the formal organization ends up being the Rebel Alliance. In terms of a faction page, the history of the coordinated efforts of those cells belongs in the prelude section of the Alliance to Restore the Republic history section, not on its own page. Likewise, Rebel Command should be Alliance High Command. Rebel intelligence should be Alliance Intelligence. Just like "the rebellion" should be merged into the Rebel Alliance page. Because as you yourself said: "it was simply a change of name, like evolving." - Brandon Rhea(talk) 18:44, October 20, 2017 (UTC)
                          • That's not what I meant, but there's an official source that identifies it as an organization, yes they're working to make it more formal and cohesive, but its still lead and coordinated by Rebel Command--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 18:47, October 20, 2017 (UTC)
                            • Organization and faction are not one in the same. The individual cells were becoming organized. That's what that is referring to. Their formal organization into one faction happened in "Secret Cargo." - Brandon Rhea(talk) 18:59, October 20, 2017 (UTC)
                            • The way I understand it, Rebel Command was an informal early attempt by Mothma, Bail Organa and Jan Dodonna (and others) to formalize their movement and coordinate between cells. Considering the entire early Rebellion as a faction under a single council could imply that groups like Azadi's Lothal resistance were in the same league as Berch Teller's cell. Perhaps we just move the contents of this page to the Alliance pilot page under the 'History' header labeled in a section called 'origins'?File:PMCS Red Snifit Idle Animated.gif Yo.-User:Fan26 (Talk) 19:04, October 20, 2017 (UTC)
                              • Berch Teller movement has nothing to do with The rebellion--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 19:07, October 20, 2017 (UTC)
                                • I was merely pointing out that classifying some of the pre-Alliance cells as part of a movement as a whole could be confusing. I believe that articles on each cell, and the information on the early rebel movements on the actual Alliance page might be enough.File:80px-PMCS Red Snifit Idle Animated.gif Yo.-User:Fan26 (Talk) 19:11, October 20, 2017 (UTC)
                                • The cells established in the page are cells that are confirmed to be working together or receive orders from Rebel command. --DarthRuiz30 (talk) 19:19, October 20, 2017 (UTC)
    • I think it's unnecessary to have Rebel pilot (rebellion) & Rebel pilot and so on if they're essentially the same thing.--Vitus Infinitus (talk) 19:35, October 20, 2017 (UTC)

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Should we keep this at Rebel pilot or can we move it to "Alliance pilot" or "Alliance Starfighter Pilot"?--Jkirk8907 (talk) 02:57, April 12, 2019 (UTC)

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