Changing the article's name
Was this really necessary? Changing the name into something that appears to be a major spoiler? The very day the movie comes out? Seems like a terrible idea to do that just for the sake of being up to date. Especially since most people here can't even confirm it's accurate. --JMM (talk) 13:31, December 20, 2019 (UTC)
- I have to agree with the Wiki's more senior editors here, after watching The Rise of Skywalker 2 times (spent $24.50 USD on 2 tickets). Mkim31 (talk) 14:11, January 1, 2020 (UTC)
- This is in accordance with Forum:SH:TROS spoiler lockdown (Wookieepedia:Spoilers/Spoiler lockdown) per WP:SPOILER. And I can confirm that it's accurate. LightKeyDarkBlade (talk) 17:28, December 20, 2019 (UTC)
- Having seen the movie, I can also confirm it is accurate. GokūBlack10 (Talk) 17:29, December 20, 2019 (UTC)
- Rey was born a Palpatine, the granddaughter of Darth Sidious, and is therefore Rey Palpatine - not Skywalker. Having also seen the film, that much is confirmed. The article should be corrected immediately. Secutor IV (talk) 05:51, December 22, 2019 (UTC)
- It won't be moved, Rey chose Skywalker instead of Palpatine. Similar to how the Naming policy says "Whenever alternate names are used in canon, use the name under which the subject was known during the later time period (example: Kanan Jarrus instead of Caleb Dume)" Rey latests name is Rey Skywalker. Also a bit late, but as soon the spoiler lockdown ended moving and expanding article is fair game, so I don't see why there's reason to complain about it, we gave plenty of warnings about it.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 07:04, December 22, 2019 (UTC)
- Rey was born a Palpatine, the granddaughter of Darth Sidious, and is therefore Rey Palpatine - not Skywalker. Having also seen the film, that much is confirmed. The article should be corrected immediately. Secutor IV (talk) 05:51, December 22, 2019 (UTC)
- Having seen the movie, I can also confirm it is accurate. GokūBlack10 (Talk) 17:29, December 20, 2019 (UTC)
- I feel like this should be put up for a vote. The options would be either: keep at Rey, move to Rey Palpatine, or move to Rey Skywalker. Adamwankenobi (talk) 17:19, December 22, 2019 (UTC)
- There's no indication that Rey ever was actually named "Rey Palpatine." The film is very vague about her back story. Someone calling her "a Palpatine" is talking about who she is related to, not her actual name. Also, in most cases on this site, we use the character's either most well known name or the last name they are known to go by. The last name we know she went by is "Rey Skywalker". --JMM (talk) 17:28, December 22, 2019 (UTC)
- Sidious does call her Empress Palpatine at one point. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 18:26, December 22, 2019 (UTC)
- The point still stands that Rey chooses to be identified as Rey Skywalker. That is who she introduces herself as and she sees herself as a Skywalker, regardless of blood. It's the same logic behind why "Darth Sidious" is the name of Palpatine's article. That name is what he identifies with and who he sees himself as, regardless of what name he was born under or what others refer to him as. GokūBlack10 (Talk) 18:32, December 22, 2019 (UTC)
- No vote is needed here, that would require a change in the naming policy which is done by CT here. As it was mentioned above Rey Skywalker is the name that she uses by the end of the movie and the name she chose, since its the last known name that she used, then it stay like that.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 21:08, December 22, 2019 (UTC)
- I think the article's title should have been kept at the single name Rey until we reach consensus. She only called herself Rey Skywalker at literally the last second of the movie, so that's a major spoiler. And I don't even know if that name is going to stick. And besides, I really disagree with the Darth Sidious case because this movie never called him Darth Sidious, he was consistently Palpatine throughout the movie. If he really identifies as Sidious, they'd be calling him Sidious more than Palpatine. SeanWheeler (talk) 00:29, December 23, 2019 (UTC)
- To the galaxy at large he is known as Palpatine, very few know his true Sith name. It is what he identified as, not what the galaxy calls him. Rey calls herself Rey Skywalker, regardless of whether that sticks 1 year or 20 twenty, until something says otherwise it should stay as Rey Skywalker --Lewisr (talk) 00:39, December 23, 2019 (UTC)
- Here we go again. Rey chose that name, so the article is staying with it. As Lewisr said Palpatine identifies himself as Darth Sidious, not just Palpatine. Please read the Naming policy. Also it doens't matter that it has a major spoiler, we gave plenty of warning that Wookieepedia would start having spoiler as soon the spoiler lockdown ended--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 00:42, December 23, 2019 (UTC)
- I don't care that she quote unquote "chose that name" by identifying herself one time as "Rey Skywalker" in one scene. She can call herself Rey Rubber Baby Buggy Bumpers, but she IS a Palpatine, and that scene doesn't change that. The Skywalkers are a physical family lineage that started with Anakin's virgin birth, not some club with open membership! Nobody has the right to choose whether they are or are not a Skywalker; it's a physical fact.
- The name you chose is more important to what you are told you are. We literally have Kanan Jarrus as an example, he chose to be Kanan instead of Caleb. The article won't be changed without a policy change, so its pointless to keep this rolling.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 05:31, December 23, 2019 (UTC)
- I don't care that she quote unquote "chose that name" by identifying herself one time as "Rey Skywalker" in one scene. She can call herself Rey Rubber Baby Buggy Bumpers, but she IS a Palpatine, and that scene doesn't change that. The Skywalkers are a physical family lineage that started with Anakin's virgin birth, not some club with open membership! Nobody has the right to choose whether they are or are not a Skywalker; it's a physical fact.
- Here we go again. Rey chose that name, so the article is staying with it. As Lewisr said Palpatine identifies himself as Darth Sidious, not just Palpatine. Please read the Naming policy. Also it doens't matter that it has a major spoiler, we gave plenty of warning that Wookieepedia would start having spoiler as soon the spoiler lockdown ended--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 00:42, December 23, 2019 (UTC)
- To the galaxy at large he is known as Palpatine, very few know his true Sith name. It is what he identified as, not what the galaxy calls him. Rey calls herself Rey Skywalker, regardless of whether that sticks 1 year or 20 twenty, until something says otherwise it should stay as Rey Skywalker --Lewisr (talk) 00:39, December 23, 2019 (UTC)
- I think the article's title should have been kept at the single name Rey until we reach consensus. She only called herself Rey Skywalker at literally the last second of the movie, so that's a major spoiler. And I don't even know if that name is going to stick. And besides, I really disagree with the Darth Sidious case because this movie never called him Darth Sidious, he was consistently Palpatine throughout the movie. If he really identifies as Sidious, they'd be calling him Sidious more than Palpatine. SeanWheeler (talk) 00:29, December 23, 2019 (UTC)
- No vote is needed here, that would require a change in the naming policy which is done by CT here. As it was mentioned above Rey Skywalker is the name that she uses by the end of the movie and the name she chose, since its the last known name that she used, then it stay like that.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 21:08, December 22, 2019 (UTC)
- The point still stands that Rey chooses to be identified as Rey Skywalker. That is who she introduces herself as and she sees herself as a Skywalker, regardless of blood. It's the same logic behind why "Darth Sidious" is the name of Palpatine's article. That name is what he identifies with and who he sees himself as, regardless of what name he was born under or what others refer to him as. GokūBlack10 (Talk) 18:32, December 22, 2019 (UTC)
- Sidious does call her Empress Palpatine at one point. - AV-6R7Crew Pit 18:26, December 22, 2019 (UTC)
- There's no indication that Rey ever was actually named "Rey Palpatine." The film is very vague about her back story. Someone calling her "a Palpatine" is talking about who she is related to, not her actual name. Also, in most cases on this site, we use the character's either most well known name or the last name they are known to go by. The last name we know she went by is "Rey Skywalker". --JMM (talk) 17:28, December 22, 2019 (UTC)
- Well, Rey Skywalker is okay with the later name clause. But the exception made about Darth Sidious may be outdated because it was talking about his death in Return of the Jedi, and he has returned in Rise of Skywalker. His Sith name was never mentioned in Rise of Skywalker, but he called his granddaughter Rey "Empress Palpatine" while planning to take over her body. And what's our source telling us he called himself Sidious more than Palpatine in Return of the Jedi? Oh yes, a Star Wars Databank article consistently calling him Sidious even when Vader (who became the good Anakin Skywalker) threw him down the shaft. But it's titled Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious. Emperor Palpatine! So what if the Database calls him Sidious in the moments when he's hooded. It doesn't mean he doesn't identify as Palpatine those times in the movies. If he completely identified as Sidious, he'd be Emperor Sidious, not Emperor Palpatine. And Return of the Jedi is shared between the Legends canon and the Disney canon, and the Legends article is called Palpatine/Legends. If Return of the Jedi is canon to both canons, what's depicted in that movie is the same events for both of them. And he was just called the Emperor in that movie, while the novelization of that movie named him Palpatine. Do we have any better sources for the Sidious name than the Databank's formatting? SeanWheeler (talk) 05:01, December 23, 2019 (UTC)
- Any questions or comments about Palpatine/Darth Sidious should be made here--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 05:08, December 23, 2019 (UTC)
- Back to Rey again... the phrase "Rey Palpatine" has never been mentioned or written down in any source. We don't know who her father was, and he may have gone by some other last name. Using that name would be the same as changing Leia's name to "Leia Skywalker". Even the secondary mention of that name shouldn't be included. It should simply say she was born to Palpatine's son until we get more information in other places. --JMM (talk) 20:39, December 23, 2019 (UTC)
- Any questions or comments about Palpatine/Darth Sidious should be made here--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 05:08, December 23, 2019 (UTC)
- Well, Rey Skywalker is okay with the later name clause. But the exception made about Darth Sidious may be outdated because it was talking about his death in Return of the Jedi, and he has returned in Rise of Skywalker. His Sith name was never mentioned in Rise of Skywalker, but he called his granddaughter Rey "Empress Palpatine" while planning to take over her body. And what's our source telling us he called himself Sidious more than Palpatine in Return of the Jedi? Oh yes, a Star Wars Databank article consistently calling him Sidious even when Vader (who became the good Anakin Skywalker) threw him down the shaft. But it's titled Emperor Palpatine/Darth Sidious. Emperor Palpatine! So what if the Database calls him Sidious in the moments when he's hooded. It doesn't mean he doesn't identify as Palpatine those times in the movies. If he completely identified as Sidious, he'd be Emperor Sidious, not Emperor Palpatine. And Return of the Jedi is shared between the Legends canon and the Disney canon, and the Legends article is called Palpatine/Legends. If Return of the Jedi is canon to both canons, what's depicted in that movie is the same events for both of them. And he was just called the Emperor in that movie, while the novelization of that movie named him Palpatine. Do we have any better sources for the Sidious name than the Databank's formatting? SeanWheeler (talk) 05:01, December 23, 2019 (UTC)
- Unless a source says he identifies himself now as Sheev Palpatine rather than Darth Sidious the page won't be moved. This discussion is now getting off topic and onto something not relevant to Rey's page so it should be moved to a more relevant place, like the Darth Sidious talk page --Lewisr (talk) 05:09, December 23, 2019 (UTC)
- What if we compromise by instead titling the page "Rey (Palpatine) Skywalker" so that it covers who she is, and who she claims to be now. --LesterR2-D2 (talk) 23:10, December 24, 2019 (UTC)
- She never refers to herself as Rey Palpatine, Rey Skywalker is the name she chose.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 23:11, December 24, 2019 (UTC)
- I don't believe Darth Sidious ever referred to himself as Darth Sidious, or Sheev. Leia never referred to herself as Leia Organa. Just because they don't refer to themselves as such doesn't mean it isn't them. That is why Palpatine is within (), to represent who she is, while Skywalker is not. It shows who she is. LesterR2-D2 (talk) 00:45, December 25, 2019 (UTC)
- Those others aren't relevant here. Rey literally called herself Rey Skywalker, not once has she ever been referred to as Rey Palpatine. The policy has already been linked to show why the page is Rey Skywalker and there is no reason for the page to be changed at this point --Lewisr (talk) 00:51, December 25, 2019 (UTC)
- You want to change it, please create a CT with a proposal to change the Naming policy. Otherwise is pointless to argue about it. (Also Leia Organa, Darth Sidious, Sheev has been mentioned by an official source before, Rey Palpatine has not)--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 00:59, December 25, 2019 (UTC)
- Those others aren't relevant here. Rey literally called herself Rey Skywalker, not once has she ever been referred to as Rey Palpatine. The policy has already been linked to show why the page is Rey Skywalker and there is no reason for the page to be changed at this point --Lewisr (talk) 00:51, December 25, 2019 (UTC)
- I don't believe Darth Sidious ever referred to himself as Darth Sidious, or Sheev. Leia never referred to herself as Leia Organa. Just because they don't refer to themselves as such doesn't mean it isn't them. That is why Palpatine is within (), to represent who she is, while Skywalker is not. It shows who she is. LesterR2-D2 (talk) 00:45, December 25, 2019 (UTC)
- She never refers to herself as Rey Palpatine, Rey Skywalker is the name she chose.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 23:11, December 24, 2019 (UTC)
- Until the Naming Policy is amended, it should be considered for the article to be renamed back to only Rey. I understand now that she is never specifically referred to as "Rey Palpatine" and that we cannot name to her that yet until its sourced. But by being the grandchild of Darth Sidious she is evidently not a Skywalker because it's a physical bloodline, not something that can be adopted by self appointment. Keeping the article in it's current state will generate some major misleads. Secutor IV (talk) 04:55, December 25, 2019 (UTC)
- No, it won't be. Any attempts to change it will be considered disruption. Please go ahead and create a CT if you feel against it.--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 05:07, December 25, 2019 (UTC)
Luke's third lesson: is it canon?
I know everyone's into ROS for now but I want to bring this up regarding TLJ because the article seems to completely disregard it. There's a deleted scene in the Last Jedi where Rey tries to help the Caretakers when Luke told that they were being raided... only to find out that she was trolled. I believe I heard somewhere that scene was supposed to be the third lesson? And if that scene is included in the novelization we assume it's canon right? Since the article only describes two lessons while claiming earlier there are "three" lessons, I think it is better to include it. Correct me if it was intentional to leave that part out. Jaewade (talk) 21:10, January 10, 2020 (UTC)