"Headmasters of the Sith Academy on Korriban, Jorak Uln and Uthar Wynn, held this title despite being below the rank of Sith Lord."

I would like to know where this information comes from. Obviously, Masters Uln and Wynn are Sith Masters, being the headmasters of the Sith Academy and having Sith apprentices... but where does it ever say that they never held the title of—or were any less in rank or stature of—a Sith Lord? This is never said in-game, and I do not believe it has ever been mentioned in any other source of canon.

Correct me if I am wrong (with valid sources, please) but I feel that the fact that they were leaders of an entire Sith Academy, with other Sith Masters working under their oversight, then that is testament to them being Sith Lords. In all honesty, I believe someone has gotten the titles Sith Lord and Dark Lord of the Sith confused, thereby putting false information (or possibly fanon) in the article.--Master Dakari 02:59, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


Lumiya and Caedus have been removed from the list. Both are members of Lumiya's Sith - not Bane's - and both of their statuses (particularly Lumiya) as "Sith Master" are debatable.

Darth VaderEdit

Is Vader really a Sith Master if he technically turned to the light side as he "killed" Palpatine, did not train an apprentice after his master's "death", and the fact that Palpatine transferred his spirit to a new body and would technically be considered alive until he was ultimately killed long after Vader himself had died? Dark Ridley 00:11, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Brotherhood of darknessEdit

I added the members of the Brotherhood of Darkness because every member held the rank of Dark Lord of the Sith concurrently and many took on apprentices (multiple or not). Meaning all were considered masters whether they were ready or really should have been or not.

I also removed the non-canon ones because they are non canon and belong not in the main article section, I also removed Darth Revan as apprentice to Darth Treya as he was her Jedi apprentice not Sith back when she was Kreia.

If there is a problem with an edit, kindly consult the discussion page and say whats wrong rather just reverting straight off. The information added is true and there is nothing wrong with the quality. ░▒▓ Alex | Talk ▓▒░ 17:21, March 5, 2010 (UTC)

Garen Edit

Can anyone actually prove that he was a Sith apprentice? --BobaVett 15:24, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

  • Somewhere near the end of Chapter 31 of the TFU novel there is the following:

"He had an emotional attachment to PROXY, and might very well be developing attachments to Juno and Kota as well. How was it possible that a Sith apprentice could have fallen afoul of such weakness.

PROXY was dead." NayayenTALK 15:37, March 11, 2010 (UTC)

Meh. Did Darth Vader ever consider him to be a Sith Apprentice? --BobaVett 15:58, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
    • We don't know but it doesn't really matter, the TFU novel states (three times) that Marek is a Sith apprentice. NayayenTALK 16:08, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
...right. Because he was only apprenticed to a Sith. Did Galen even know what a Sith was? --BobaVett 16:58, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
Again, I don't know. You should be taking these sorts of questions to the Knowledge Bank or reading Marek's article. I'm getting the impression that you don't believe that the TFU novel is valid or giving enough proof. It says that he is a Sith apprentice, 'nuff said. NayayenTALK 17:26, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
...right. Just like the Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor book claims such-and-such, but it's apparantly an adaptation of an in-story character, which means it's not necessarily true. My point is that the books can be wrong. Over something like this, I'm reluctant to accept what the book says. If Vader never said anything more than 'you are my apprentice', then there is still room for interpretation (Dark Side Apprentice or Sith Apprentice), regardless of what the book says. --BobaVett 17:54, March 11, 2010 (UTC)
Unfortunately, there is nothing to say anything to the contrary apart from the fact that you think "the books can be wrong". Galen Marek is a Sith apprentice. If you cannot accept this then that is your problem, not ours, nor the books, nor with Star Wars canon. NayayenTALK 22:29, March 11, 2010 (UTC)