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Nihilus and Sion somehow remind me of Cob from Ursula le Guin's book "The Farthest Shore" (a man who, in his pursuit of immortality, acquired an inner void and a hunger rather similar to the former, and who reassembles himself after being killed like the latter). Has any actual connection been officially mentioned?[[User:Omeganian|Omeganian]] 18:41, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

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24 December 2006 Good article nomination Failure
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"Leading Members"?

Weren't Nihilus/Traya/Sion technically the only members of the Sith Triumvirate(Group of Three)? --Sauron18 18:59, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

  • I agree. That means the title was not gd enough. Because their subordinates did not have a place in an organization of 3. Darth Kevinmhk 02:17, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
    • Further propose Sith Tri be divided from KOTOR2 Sith (no name in mind), just like Brotherhood of Darkness from New Sith Empire. Darth Kevinmhk 02:19, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
      • The articles for Sith Assassin and Sith Empire (Jedi Civil War) already exist. Why would we need another one?--Sentry [Talk] 08:26, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
        • Well the Sith Triumvirate could be considered the unified Sith of the time, being the alliance between the 3 Lords. But then, this would imply that Sion and Nihilus were Lords before meeting Traya, which apparently isn't, since she trained basically a whole bunch of Sith Assassins, including these guys. So what exactly is the Triumvirate? An organization? The Sith version of "Big Three"?--Sauron18 08:42, 17 July 2006 (UTC)


Isn't the image composed of concept art? should that really be used as a main image for an article? Charlii 12:24, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

  • It is concept concept art, buts it's official concept art. So it's OK. Jasca Ducato 14:14, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
    • What is "official concept art"? We've had discussion about similar pictures at the Kreia and Nihilus pages, where the consensus have been that concept art should be used with great caution and if possible not at all outside BTS sections. Charlii 17:42, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
      • It was drawn by an employee of LucasArts/Lucasfilm and is approved as canon. Besides, its the only picture of the three of them together we have. Jasca Ducato 19:13, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
        • I'd hardly call it "one picture", even if I admit that I thought it was composed by a fan. Where was it published? The image lacks source info... Charlii 19:43, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
          • 3 Different official Concept Arts put together. No editing outside of cropping and placing them together. It does what it is meant to do, show the 3 Sith Lords in their official depiction. If what you don't like is that it's concept art then revert the image to it's original form, if you don't like that it was 3 official images put together for the sake of aesthetics, then tell me and I'll fix it to make it more acceptable. But it looks good as it is, and it has no "fanartish" edits.--Sauron18 21:07, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
            • I think it looks fine, but if you don't like them because they are joined then just organize these in some nice manner:

I tried, but it doesn't look as good it does if they are all joined to begin with. --Sauron18 21:39, 17 September 2006 (UTC)

  • I don't think anybody got anything against putting images together like that. What I reacted against were that, as far as I know, the pics of Kreia and Sion are only concept art, which isn't canon. The Sion pic doesn't even match his final appearance! Charlii 21:41, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
    • You could always go into the image and revert it to it's original version, which is made up of in-game screencaps. But the art looks better IMO, and since it's just headshots with no real difference other than minute details, I'd say it's acceptable, especially for a page like this :)--Sauron18 22:39, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
  • Are all three pictures really considered canon? That picture of Sion has bolts or something coming out of his chest, which wasn't in the game (a shame too.) Master Kavar 10:22, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
    • Since two people claim they are I dropped the subject, but I still havn't seen the source for them. Charlii 12:01, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


Where exactly are they referred to as the Triumvirate in the game? --Imp 13:15, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

  • I don't remember it being specifically called the Triumvirate in the game, but Triumvirate is the common word for describing a regeime ruled by three powerful leaders. I'm playing through KotOR2 at the moment, so I'll listen out for references to it. --beeurd 13:26, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
    • It's never said in the game, hence the {{conjecture}} tag at the top. -- I need a name 17:49, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
      • I'm aware of what it means, Beeurd. :P Bah, more conjecture... --Imp 18:23, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
        • I bet you love it really ;) --beeurd 02:29, 20 September 2006 (UTC)

Darth Traya: "lord" of betrayal

Its just a little opinion: Kreia is a woman. She is no Lord, she is a Lady, a Sith Lady. That part should be changed to "Darth Traya: Lady of Betrayal"... Viento February 3 2007 18:20 (UTC)

  • NEVER addressed as a Lady in game. She may be a lady but she takes on the male title as Lord of Betrayal. Probably overlooked by Obsidian. Though there isn't anything you can do about that. She stays at Lord of Betrayal. --RedemptionRedemptionusersymbolTalk 23:50, 3 February 2007 (UTC)

Prestige classes

does anyone agree that the triumvirate was made up of one of each of the dark side prestige classes. Traya = sith assassin . Nihilus = sith lord . Sion = sith maurader. - unsigned comment Unsigned comment by (talk • contribs).

  • I never heard that but it does make sense. However, seeing as Traya trained the other two, Traya would probably be the lord. Also Sion seems to have the higher power over the assassins so that leaves Nihilus to be the marauder. Ok, I'm done. Unsigned comment by (talk • contribs).
    • No, prestige classes were a game mechanic and not exactly canon. However, titles such Sith Lord, or Sith Assassain, are canon. Besides, all three of the Triumvirate leaders were Sith Lords. Hence the Darth prefix.--Shaelas(Ahto City)Czerka Logo 10:57, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Nihilus and Sion

You know, I'm really confused about the two apprentices that gave a few wondering questions:

1. Which apprentice was older than the other? Well, Nihilus looked as if he was almost fifty years old himself.

2. Whom did Kreia like or trust better? Sion always wanted to please her, as far as I know.

3. Who planned out the treachery on Kreia? Nihilus didn't have his lightsaber activated in the treachery scene, so he just Force pushed her onto a wall. He even crossed his arms around him in triumph like he was the one behind the plot.

4. Which apprentice was more powerful? Nihilus was the Dark Lord so I suppose he was more powerful than Sion.

I can't seem to figure it out. What do you guys think? 01:20, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

  • For #2 Kreia never trusted anyone. Thats the whole point of her being the "lord of betrayal"

Nihilius probably planned it b/c Sion is Brute Strength/Pain, not intellect. Sion was (in effect) immortal, but Nihilius' Force power destroyed planets and drained life simply by an aura effect. No canonical age is givenDarTah Ravin' 23:11, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

Where is Trayas Army ?

If a Triumvirate is ruled by three people where is Trayas Army? What did she split it and give it to the other guys? Am I the only 1 that finds it strange that Traya never had soldiers at Peragus,Telos,Dantooine,and Onderon? I know that she had to keep a low profile but come on I wouldnt have minded a few sith troopers helping me on Peragus

The other two probably took it away. She said in the video of her down fall that she was "(I was) Stripped of my power. Exiled." Raith Mitsun 09:26, 10 May 2008 (UTC)


Can it really be considered a triumvirate. They didnt share power afterall, Traya was the Dark Lord until her outcast at which point Nihilus assumed the throne and he and Sion went their separate ways. The point is they never shared power Traya was the master and the other two were her apprentices. And i'm pretty sure the the definition of a triumvirate is that all three members rule as equals. - –K.A.JTCE 08:39, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

  • Traya was never a Dark Lord. And no, that's not the definition of triumvirate, not in this sense. Jasca Ducato Sith Council 09:08, 20 June 2008 (UTC)

Who is the most powerful Sith Lord?

In the Sith Triumvirate, who is the most powerful Sith Lord? In my opinon, I think that Darth Traya was the most powerful, since Darth Sion and Darth Nihilus had to join forces to betrayed her. I don't know who would win a dual between Darth Sion and Darth Nihilus, because Nihilus is more powerful in the force, while Soin is unable to be killed. ––Bron Hañda 02:05, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

Correction of etymology surrounding the term "triumvirate"

"Anthro" isn't Latin, it's Greek. From (transliterated)Anthropos. The Latin word for "man" (in the sense of mankind or human) is homo -- not to be confused with the Greek word meaning same (i.e. homosexual, homogenous, homologous, etc).

I'm going to submit a correction.


Nihilus and Sion somehow remind me of Cob from Ursula le Guin's book "The Farthest Shore" (a man who, in his pursuit of immortality, acquired an inner void and a hunger rather similar to the former, and who reassembles himself after being killed like the latter). Has any actual connection been officially mentioned?Omeganian 18:41, May 3, 2010 (UTC)

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