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Should we mirror the course of action taken for the Black Fleet Crisis so that The New Jedi Order is about the book series and New Jedi Order is about the new order established by Luke Skywalker? We could also rename this article "New Jedi Order novel series".

Article name Edit

The correct name for the novel series seems to be "The New Jedi Order", not "New Jedi Order". According to the book covers, at least. --Imp 13:04, 29 Jul 2005 (UTC)

Or Die Trying Edit

Is Or Die Trying considered to be part of the NJO? I just thought that it could be added since Emissaries of the Void and The Apprentice are on the list and they too are short stories. I'd gladly add it myself but I don't know where it fits exactly on the timeline. (I haven't read ODT myself, am just aware of its existence.)

Equals and Opposites Edit

I'm putting it back on here. It is definitely part of the NJO, as it has the NJO era symbol on its front page. As to Chewbacca, someone will have to look it over for the symbol. Kuralyov 03:00, 14 Oct 2005 (UTC)

  • That was just the standard for Tales stories from issues 21-25; to put the appropriate era logo on each comic's first page. Yes, E&O is part of the New Jedi Order era, but not the New Jedi Order book series. MarcK 03:03, 14 Oct 2005 (UTC)
    • This page is about both, though, so it still has to go on here (as do Chewbacca and Dark Nest Trilogy). Kuralyov 03:08, 14 Oct 2005 (UTC)
    • Perhaps a small subsection should list the comic stories of the NJO era. Or perhaps not, if there are only two of them. — Silly Dan 03:08, 14 Oct 2005 (UTC)
      • If it's really a problem, then someone should just make a page for the NJO era, and a page for the NJO series itself. Kuralyov 03:09, 14 Oct 2005 (UTC)
      • And then a page for the IU New Jedi Order... MarcK 03:16, 14 Oct 2005 (UTC)
        • Yeah, it sorta irked me that all links to the in-universe New Jedi Order linked here...Kuralyov 03:21, 14 Oct 2005 (UTC)

How do we know that this story is set between Refugee and Reunion? Has this been explicitly stated anywhere? If not, the story could take place at almost any point in 28 ABY, so setting it in the middle of a trilogy seems kind of arbitrary, no? Lieutenant Gerard 18:00, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Reactions sectionEdit

I think the fan reation section is starting to sound a little biased. The "sour taste in their mouths" section seems a little much in my opinion. I also realize that quite a few people on this site (myself included) have rather low opinions on the NJO, but I was just pointing this out because someone else should probably change it. Why don't I do it you? Because you do not want me writting on the NJO. Trust me. -- SFH 23:06, 29 March 2006 (UTC)

  • I agree. Some of the words like "hated" "butchered" and "sour taste" seem a bit too POV. Also it seems to me just by reading reviews that characterization is not the most common criticism, as the paragraph suggest. (The most common other than shock-deaths is that the flavor of the series in general “lacks a Star Wars feel.”) It seems like they've taken an individual opinion about the characterization and tried to objectify it by saying that it is the opinion of "most" haters. Also, there should at least be a whole sentence talking about the positive reactions if the rest of the paragraph is negative.
I've toned down much of the strong language in the Reaction section. However, it could use a bit more detail on positive reactions to the series. Also, if the criticisms listed there aren't common, then they should be changed by someone who knows more about it. MaxVeers 02:40, 17 April 2006 (UTC)

I'll try to find the link of the decline of sales that LucasLiterature(or is it LucasBooks?) suffered due to NJO. It might take a while though.

It is Lucas Books. MaxVeers 01:39, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
Is it certain that NJO was the cause, though? I can think of several other totally conjectural reasons off the top of my head (fans disappointed with the Special Editions and swearing off Star Wars, fans disappointed with the prequels and swearing off Star Wars, fans becoming more interested in the prequels than post-movie fiction, economic downturn coupled with rising book prices, readers blowing their book budgets on J.K. Rowling and Dan Brown hardcovers....) —Silly Dan (talk) 01:52, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

MaxVeers, thanks for the clarrification. And Dan, I meant the decline of the EU's sales, not the overall Star Wars experience. From a lot of the interviews and sites I go to, there are a *hell of a lot* of people who hate NJO and the books beyond them.

  • Yes there are quite a few anti-NJO people out; I'm one of them. But there are pro-NJO people out there, and their views have just as much a right to be here...I can't for the life of me understand or agree with them, but they should be here. -- SFH 23:39, 22 April 2006 (UTC)
    • I agree about the NPOV. It seems to be laying it on a bit thick at the end.--The Erl of the Star Wars: The New Jedi Order talk What I do 20:24, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
      • I read through the Reaction section but did not feel this so-called POV. I would remove the POV tag, but I would like to ask others if they think the article is now neutral and unbiased. - TopAce 11:35, 28 August 2006 (UTC)
      • Since there appears to be no dissention, i've taken the liberty of removing the NPOV tag on this article. 14:19, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, I think the Reactions Section is quite ok. It points out the controversy, and I think even fans of NJO have to admitt that it simply lacks of any Star Wars flair. I also found it wrong to kill persons like Chewy and Anakin, and the destruction of "pure Star Wars feeling" places like Nar Shadda is also sad. Of course you have to be objecitve. The over-all handiwork ot the authors is absolutely over-average. The science fiction story itself is quite good and for a series of that sizes and number of contributing authors relativley flawless. In short: Its good SF but not SW. Pi8ch 08:26, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

  • BTW: I vote for removing the bias tag. Pi8ch 08:26, 6 September 2006 (UTC)
    • I thought it was a nice change of pace. I was tired of the recycled plot lines of earlier stories.
      • No doubt about that - but I still think they could have done it more SW style. I mean: Star Wars is Star Wars because of Jedi, Sith, cool places like Nar Shadda and the many, many worlds, described in detail. The NJO featured not much of it. The Jedi parts seemed somehow forced in, the dark/light/gray stuff during the series did not realy seem fit. The places were not described in such detail als usual... And simply there was no need to kill main protagnonists. I don't read Science Fiction because I want a real-life like story. There is no problem in fiction with the main characters beeing de facto immortal. And somehow I could never get the "cool" feeling about the Vong as supposed to be. They were somehow oversubscribed - even the Borg of the more naive StarTrek universe were cooler. Well.. my point is that a turn in storyline was ok - but sadly they didn't took the turn as "Star Wars" as (hopefully) wanted. Pi8ch 06:33, 7 September 2006 (UTC)

Dark Nest?Edit

Shouldn't the Dark Nest Crisis/Trilogy belong in this section? It certainly doesn't belong in the Legacy of the Force section... Ready? Discuss!The Ravager 05:05, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

  • It's listed on the page for the NJO era. This is now the page just for the NJO novel series.-- CaptainPellaeon1138 13:15, 12 August 2006 (UTC)


Hey everyone,

I'm working on a major rewrite for this article, found at ny workbench here. If you're interested in rewriting/making major edits to this article as well, definitely let me know first so that we can coordinate our efforts, rather than find ourselves doing the same research and working on the same things simultaneously. Cheers! Menkooroo 04:12, February 2, 2010 (UTC)

Anakin's Death Edit

What novel does Anakin die in?

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