Talk:Star Wars: The Old Republic

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3.4 Removed unverified info

Apparently User:Dark Lord Trayus feels that Cyborgs are going to be a playable race. They cite PC gamer as a reliable source for this. I checked PC gamer and they say nothing about this. Then I did some thinking and if the game was introducing another playable race, they would have something about it on their official web page. So I went over there and saw not a peep about it. Plus, if you look at Star Wars history, as per this wiki, you can see that Cyborgs have never been considered their own race. None of this makes sense and to me it seems as if this user is trying to push in something they want that no reference supports. Please stop trying to re-introduce cyborgs as a new or existing race. Brothejr 11:42, May 22, 2011 (UTC)

Teehee.--Hitodama 05:54, October 17, 2011 (UTC)

Due to the lifted NDA if you play the game or watch the character creation videos cyborg is considered a separate race. While agree that cyborgs have not been considered a separate race in previous Star Wars canon should they be included as a game mechanic?

Spring 2011?

The spring is over. No game. Any news?Omeganian 12:33, June 3, 2011 (UTC)

Read: Sith Inquisitor Pureblood?

This was a mistake, and here is the correction:

"Hey folks,

As some of you may have seen on the list that incorrectly got out with species/class combos last month, right now character creation is set to "dev mode" and allows all combinations.

Some are much funnier and wrong than this--Pureblood Knight anyone? That doesn't mean they will be shipping. In this case, in a rush to get a screenshot done, someone goofed and made an illegal class-species combo. There is no confirmation of Pureblood SIs at this time.

Hope that helps,

Daniel"

Thank you; I dug up the link (below).

If it isn't a good enough source, then you'll just have to correct it when the game ships, I guess —Unsigned comment by (- -) (talk • contribs).

• Uh, source? -Tm_T ^(Talk) 20:04, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
  • Here's the source, I hope it's good enough. It's not as if I'm adding something un-sourced: [1] (- -) 20:31, July 11, 2011 (UTC)
    • Actually, now that update 1.2 has launched, due to the Legacy system that is now in place, it IS possible to have a Sith Pureblood Jedi Knight. ForceDesciple 15:07, June 3, 2012 (UTC)

Pre-Orders now available!

TOR is now available for Pre-Order. You can get either the standard game or the Collector's Edition. Both have a bonus code that gets you a stone that changes the color of your lightsaber.----Kardas4210 20:06, July 21, 2011 (UTC)

• It also colors Blaster bolts, for non-Jedi and non-Sith.(- -) 14:01, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

How do we handle the Opening Crawls?

According to the event at Comic-Con 2011, each of the eight classes will have their own opening crawl. Are we going to post eight opening crawls in this article? (- -) 14:00, August 11, 2011 (UTC)

Why not? Telos 09:46, September 4, 2011 (UTC)

Have the crawls ready here. Was wondering how to format it so that 4 boxes stay on one line. Razzy1319 (talk) 02:58, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

• I'm not really sure we need them; they won't fit in any of the sections, and there's actually dozens of crawls from various points in the story. Cade Calrayn 03:00, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
  • The crawls are their own section in articles like Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic and the ones I got are the initial, actually moving crawls. Razzy1319 (talk) 03:04, January 28, 2014 (UTC)
    • awesome. User:Razzy1319/crawls would something like this look better? Razzy1319 (talk) 03:40, January 28, 2014 (UTC)

For mac?

It looks to me as if this game will be only for PC. Does anybody know if there's a mac version coming out? 49.129.52.182 08:28, August 16, 2011 (UTC)

• Yes it is only for the PC. The only way for Mac Users to play is if they Bootcamp it. They have stated that they have no plans on making/releasing a Mac Version of the Game, but that they will make sure the game is Bootcamp accessible Altyrell 02:59, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

About the Companion's Section

When were some of those Companions officially confirmed, like HK-57 being a Bonus Companion for all Classes and some of the others, especially the Red LinksAltyrell 02:59, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

It was a beta leak, I guess... Nothing official yet. ShaakTi1138 08:43, October 16, 2011 (UTC)

Overspeculation

Haven't read the whole page but I'm seeing a little too much speculation/assumption, I think more sourcing is needed in order to back up some of the information on this page. For example, how do we know that Naboo is only going to be mentioned in TOR? Did somebody get hold of the entire script of the game? There are plenty more assumptions in this page that I'm not liking either. --Masterbmw 02:06, November 9, 2011 (UTC)

Information from beta testing

Just out of curiosity, are we intentionally avoiding the release any information from the beta (i.e., new characters, items, locations), out of respect for BioWare's wishes to keep the details available to only beta testers? In the email they asked for confidentiality, so I figured I'd ask before acting. // ~mikah~ 15:46, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

• That information would violate the NDA (non-disclosure agreement). Also see Forum:CT Archive/Preparing for TOR. 1358 ^(Talk) 15:47, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Ah, thanks. Haven't seen that discussion before today. // ~mikah~ 16:10, November 17, 2011 (UTC)

Is TOR Canon now with the NDA down, or do we have to wait until 12/15 (or 12/20)?

I admit I'm curious about that myself - I'd heard the NDA was lifted (and little wonder, with the last beta weekend coming and the release a month away now). --Joshmaul 18:04, November 19, 2011 (UTC)

With the email I got yesterday regarding this upcoming weekend's beta testing, BioWare reminded us that "EVERYTHING associated with the test is Confidential Information." I know nothing about how exactly the NDA works, but doesn't this mean that we're still required to hold off on new information? // ~mikah~ 16:44, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

See Forum:SH Archive/TOR spoiler precautions. The NDA is lifted, but BioWare wants us to hold off major spoilers, apparently. 1358 ^(Talk) 16:47, November 22, 2011 (UTC)

Since it's already been established that Revan will appear in the flesh, and players who have completed the Taral V mission have confirmed with video proof that Revan is the "unidentified Jedi prisoner," should we redirect the prisoner page to Revan's article and remove it from the list of appearances? I hesitate to do it myself; I don't know what you guys and BioWare consider to be "major spoilers." // ~mikah~ 16:43, December 2, 2011 (UTC)

I'd say wait a couple more days just in case, its release is in just another week now. User: Barren167 ^{Darth Caedus: Childhood fan-character ruined.} 16:41, December 13, 2011 (UTC)

Cyborg race "not supported by main website"

It's supported by the game itself. (Beta tester, heh.) I don't think that's exactly a "world-shaking" spoiler - unlike, say, story elements. (Like, I dunno...Revan, maybe?) --Joshmaul 12:53, December 18, 2011 (UTC)

• Then it can likely get added tomorrow when the game's properly revealed to the public. One more day can't hurt, I'd think. User: Barren167 ^{Darth Caedus: Childhood fan-character ruined.} 15:58, December 19, 2011 (UTC)

Strictly speaking, "cyborg" isn't a race. In context of TOR, they seem to just be humans with mechanical facial implants. DigiFluid 16:57, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

Player-Character Names

Since most of the playable characters in the game do not yet have pages of their own (the exception being the inquisitor), I thought this the best place to post this:

I know that several characters in ToR receive class-specific names. [SPOILER] For example, the Imperial Agent becomes "Cipher Nine" and the Sith Inquisitor becomes "Darth Nox". When (and if) the pages for these player characters are created, would it not be preferable to use these names as page titles? Certainly "Darth Nox" is more appealing than "Unidentified Sith Inquisitor". [END SPOILER]

Of course, I don't know whether or not the other classes receive similar class-specific names. If the Jedi Knight receives no such name, then, if only for the sake of consistency, it may be better to the "unidentified ________ ________" format.

So, two questions: Do all of the classes receive names such as these? Is there opposition to using these names as the titles of the pages corresponding to each player?

76.119.85.156 03:33, December 24, 2011 (UTC)Arcus1

• The difference is that Cypher 9 is the code-name for all playable Imperial Agents, but the Sith Inquisitor's name change is dependant on alignment. Based on the actual Sith Inquisitor page linked, there are three names available. So while "Darth Nox" may end up being canon in the end....as of now it would be incorrect to title the page as such.--Jxspyder 16:43, December 29, 2011 (UTC)

2.2 Updated with new information

Hey just saw that The Exchange needs to be added to the list of Organizations in the old republic. they are seen in several places including tat.

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Criticsm?

The section "Criticism" on the article page alleges that the EULA changes to SWTOR were controversial, but does not substantiate these claims beyond one author's opinion - which cannot be taken as representative of anyone other than himself, nor show both sides of the EULA issue. This is neither NPV nor adequately sourced material. I will remove the section if this cannot be corrected. Jubaal 09:00, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

• I've removed the section; thank you for brining it to my attention. If the original author or any other editors would like to re-add this information, please be certain to find more sources and more substantiation. Darth Trayus<sup>(Trayus Academy)</sup> 09:13, January 6, 2012 (UTC)

Appearances (Add to)

I couldn't add Kel'eth Ur because the page is locked. If someone can add it at this time, please do so, otherwise this may remind someone to add him once the page isn't locked. Veronica Nowakowski 08:45, January 16, 2012 (UTC)

First Appearances

I'm assuming we're just leaving the (First Appearance) off in the Appearances section because almost all the characters are having their first appearance?--Cade1 18:42, March 6, 2012 (UTC)

Suggestion for the Appearances Section

I was looking through several guides for The Old Republic, and I noticed that there are an enormous amount of characters - not to mention all of the other stuff in the appearances section. On Tython alone, there are 324 NPC's. My solution: We create a separate article for the Appearances section. We could replace the characters section with a link to the new article, because otherwise the article will just get too big. Any thoughts? Cade1 03:07, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

• I'd certainly support this having taken a fair few screen shots while playing through Tor so far and already having folders and folders of them with out even being halfway through the game and mainly on only one class! That isn't even taking into account all the things just mentioned in dialogue so this appearances section is going to be massive. Ayrehead02 08:19, March 8, 2012 (UTC)

Cathar

Can someone please provide a source that says that the Cathar is a playable race in SWTOR? Since sofar I cannot choose it within the game, meaning that this is (at this moment) false information). ~~ Haou1987

• They've been announced, but they have not yet been added to the game. See this article. So, yeah, if you see someone add them to the article here as a playable race, please remove that, since it's not in the game as of yet. ~Savage 23:45, June 8, 2012 (UTC)
  • I deleted it, but someone returned it back to the page. IT IS NOT A PLAYABLE CHARACTER YET! So please everyone, don't add it. ~~ Haou1987
    • Please don't change back the character species on the Star Wars: The Old Republic page. It is not in the game yet so don't put it on the page yet. Thank you. Haou1987
    • [2] 0:32, Check here please and don't revert my edit or delete Makeb and Asation too.Maxattac 00:34, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
    • Since you insist to remove anything that has not yet been implemented in the game despite the official announcements, so let's take away Makeb and Asation from the page. I just want to point out that this reasoning is pretty stupid, even if you have received the anointing of SavageBob. Indeed, if you had been registered on wookieepedia at the creation of the SWTOR article, you would have noticed that at the base this article was full of official informations, and this long before the release of the game. Curiously, nobody at this time found something to say about it, but hey I bow facing the weight of the majority.Maxattac 01:02, June 9, 2012 (UTC)"
    • The copy of a discussion on my talk page where I give my opinion on the subject Maxattac 01:16, June 9, 2012 (UTC)
      • Calm down, Max; sarcasm isn't helping anything. You're right that the Cathar have been announced as a playable race, but they are not yet in the game as a playable species, so you are incorrect to add them to the playable species section. Instead, if you want to add information about announced content that is not tied to a known expansion, you should create a new section of the article, under "Update history," and below "Game update 1.3: Allies," and call it something like, "Future additions" or something similar. There you can put information on announced additions like the Cathar. ~Savage 04:22, June 9, 2012 (UTC)

Timeline placement

Didn't a lot of the pre-game release material allude to the treaty of Coruscant taking place three decades prior to the events of the game? Meaning that the game actually takes place in 3623 BBY? Jartka'irn (talk) 09:08, August 12, 2012 (UTC)

• I've heard nothing about that, but regardless, that's pre-release material like the original KOTOR2 trailer. It has no bearing on the actual game, as the writers have confirmed it happens between 3,643 and 3,641 BBY. Cade Calrayn 15:08, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
• It's true that they did say there were going to be a few decades between Threat of Peace and the game though. That's why Satele Shan looked very young in the comic and her originally planned adult appearance, when still based on that comic, had grey hair and such. Primo BTS material if you can find any remnant of that. NaruHina <sup>Talk</sup> 18:19, August 12, 2012 (UTC)
  • Found this [3] Jartka'irn (talk) 06:40, August 19, 2012 (UTC)

Immediate attention

After a bit of reshuffling of the article, some big expansions, and a ton of link tidying, I think the article is up to snuff. I've removed the Immediate Attention header for this reason—at this point, the Redlinks template is all that's really needed. If anyone feels the need to put the IA one back up, please list reasons here so that they can be addressed. Thanks. — DigiFluid<sup>(Whine here)</sup> 16:30, August 20, 2012 (UTC)

• I noticed your work on it today. Good job. Winterz (talk) 17:14, August 20, 2012 (UTC)
• I recently added Zabrak to the Sentient species subsection of Appearances for the sake of article's accuracy on the MMO. No thanks needed. "Help yourself to some fine champagne." - The Continental (talk) 13:36, March 11, 2013 (UTC)

Races depicted on in-game posters/fliers

There are some truly bizarre creatures depicted in the posters common on Nar Shaddaa. One appears to be playing a sax-like instrument, another's head consists predominantly of two stalks that end in huge eyes. Do we have any idea whatsoever what these things are? 121.72.245.238 01:36, May 13, 2013 (UTC)

Too big?

• Having a hard time(>30secs sometimes) loading this page and getting non-loading errors when submitting small edits using sections. Just wondering if that is due to the size of the article? I know the goal is to be comprehensive but cant some sections be minimized? For example, does the tie in novels entire plot summary need to be included? Thanks! Razzy1319 (talk) 04:31, January 10, 2014 (UTC)

• That's not really the problem; it's actually the number of links contained in the {{Tl|App]} template. Compare the loading time for User:Cade Calrayn/SWTOR and User:Cade Calrayn/SWTOR/Appearances. Cade Calrayn 04:36, January 10, 2014 (UTC)

• LOL! Yup, that was the problem. Any way of solving that? Razzy1319 (talk) 04:39, January 10, 2014 (UTC)
  • It's been proposed to move it to a subpage, as I've done with my workbench; however, that proposal hasn't gotten anywhere yet. Cade Calrayn 04:46, January 10, 2014 (UTC)

• Is there a vote page on it and can I vote? My rationale is that that appearance section is only gonna get bigger and bigger as time passes with cartel market packs release and content added. Its not gonna be static for sometime like other pages. Razzy1319 (talk) 00:10, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
  • A vote would probably have to be started on this talk page, or even discussed officially in the SH or the CT, seeing as splitting up the Appearances is an unprecented (afaik) thing. 1358 <sup>(Talk)</sup> 00:32, January 11, 2014 (UTC)
    • Hence why it's a Mofference item. Cade Calrayn 00:35, January 11, 2014 (UTC)

Armor and Weapons

How do we go about adding armors and weapons? For example Rakata WeaponMaster armor set or Outbreak Response Weapons? Do we add them or leave them alone till they are more appropriately named like the current weapons in the appearances section? Razzy1319 (talk) 08:28, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

• By and large, those are considered game mechanics and are left off for now. Cade Calrayn 15:41, January 29, 2014 (UTC)

Nal Hutta and Korriban orbital stations

Under the 'Appearances' section, shouldn't there be 'Nal Hutta Orbital Station' and 'Korriban Orbital Station (Sith Empire)' links? Both of these stations appear in the game.--Nostalgia of Iran (talk) 23:13, April 15, 2014 (UTC)

SWTOR is STILL considered canon

I don't see why you guys are placing SWTOR and all its content under the "Legends" Banner when Lucasfilm has come out and said that "The Old Republic has always been a part of the Expanded Universe and will continue to be."Lucasfilm Confirms All Future Star Wars Content to be Canon, Including the Games -[4]

Seeing as its an ongoing game, and new content is constantly being added well past the cutoff date for "Legends", the Story Group IS reviewing this before they stamp it for approval (See Galactic Starfighter credits in game[[5]]) and continues to do so, not to mention the fact it is SO far into the past, that the class and content stories themselves can't really contradict what is going on with the movies or future content. --The Blitzkrieg (talk) 05:55, May 13, 2014 (UTC)

• No need to get worked up. We're doing our best trying to figure everything out, which isn't made any easier by Lucasfilm's unwillingness to clarify many things. I'm not sure anyone here was aware of this Gamespot article, so I thank you for posting this for us. However, I'm not sure that this article is saying that TOR is canon. The article reads: "The Lucasfilm rep told GameSpot, '[A]s far as The Old Republic MMO is concerned, nothing is going to change. [TOR] has always been a part of the Expanded Universe, and that's not going to change.'" That's saying TOR is part of the Expanded Universe, and the EU is now explicitly non-canon. So that sounds to me like TOR is specifically not part of the new canon. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 06:03, May 13, 2014 (UTC)
• This forum on the official TOR website may be of interest to you. According to the most recent posts, it seems like these people aren't sure themselves whether the game is canon or not, and it seems that even Lucasfilm is perhaps not yet certain how they're going to handle the game. However, the real reason we're treating TOR as Legends right now is because of what Jennifer Heddle has said on Twitter, the gist of which you can read here. Basically, until we have clear confirmation that something is canon, we're assuming it's not. And right now, TOR is just unclear. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 06:32, May 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • I was one of the commenters on that forum, lol! But yeah, there's a youtube video [6] that states that the EU still exists. Anything that is outside the movies is considered to be "EU" only that there is a CANON EU and a LEGENDS EU. So with that in mind, if the Gamespot article is stating that "SWTOR is part of the EU and always will be" then we can lean towards credence to the fact that it's still canon. --The Blitzkrieg (talk) 07:35, May 13, 2014 (UTC)
  • I SHOULD also note that I was part of that Jen Heddle tweet fest as well and by the end she said to "not ask her about the video games because she doesn't know because that is not her department." So there's evidence on both sides --The Blitzkrieg (talk) 07:47, May 13, 2014 (UTC)
    • I agree with you that we have evidence to argue for it still being canon, which will likely end up being the case, but the situation still remains unclear and unconfirmed at this point, so we're going to wait for official confirmation before treating it as canon. As soon as we get that confirmation, we'll make the change. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 07:56, May 13, 2014 (UTC)

Some things that need editing...

Several things that need correction, IMO.

"The Inquisitor class has been criticized by players as being overpowered, as Sith Inquisitors are considered to far more effective in PvP Warzones than other classes"

I'm not sure why this is here; it doesn't look like any of the other classes have much info about PvP usefulness - and this is something that is subject to change from balance patch to balance patch. Should be left out unless included for all classes/someone wants to edit every time there are balance changes. (Also, why would it not be included in the sage section? It's a mirror class.)

"A new Huttball Warzone, Quesh Huttball Pit, will be introduced in Game Update 2.7; the map is significantly different than the original, with moving platforms and new traps."

What moving platforms??

"By taking control of the pylons, each eight-player team is able to activate the nearby Hypergate for their faction and summon reinforcements that wipe out the opposing team."

Not sure what reinforcements this is referring to - enemies are killed by pylon explosions and ONLY if they are not inside the safe area at mid.

" Update 2.4 also sees the removal of 8v8 Ranked Warzones, as the limited number of 8-player groups willing and able to play in those matches makes 8v8 Ranked matches very rare."

Should probably have "on some servers" added to the end of it. (On the PvP servers, 8v8 ranked was still occurring quite regularly.)

Under chronology on the right side, someone needs to delete 'unnamed digital expansion'. That 'Unnamed Digital Expansion' is Galactic Strongholds.--Sel-Makor (talk) 23:02, July 6, 2014 (UTC)

• No, actually, that's referring to the as-of-yet-unnamed Digital Expansion that'll be put out later this year/early 2015. It was announced alongside Strongholds. Cade Calrayn 23:04, July 6, 2014 (UTC)

Manaan in update 2.9

Today I saw a post on Dulfy's blog. Manaan is to be featured in Game Update 2.9 this August.--Nostalgia of Iran (talk) 14:00, July 26, 2014 (UTC)

• Yes; I've already perused the text files for the update and will update the article when it's released. Cade Calrayn 14:13, July 26, 2014 (UTC)

An addition to criticism section

The class system for the Jedi and Sith characters in hardly canon, what is this "Sith Jaggernaut" class? Has it ever been mentioned anywhere before? Or the Jedi Knight being a specialization and not a rank...So yeah, I say we add this to the criticism section.--Fekyu (talk) 17:40, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

• There isn't a criticism section. Beyond that, I've never heard anyone else state that opinion. Honestly, I've always viewed the Jedi and Sith Classes as little more than a gameplay mechanic. --Thecrazyweirdo (AKA CommanderAwesome) Talk Contribs 18:07, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Paige

Why does "Paige" redirect to this The Old Republic page?--Been L'toth (talk) 14:16, August 19, 2015 (UTC)Been L'toth

Expansions

Considering the life-cycle of a game like a MMORPG, wouldn't moving content relative to major expansion (leaving Starfighters and Strongholds as just update) make more sense? This means limiting this article to content from December 20, 2011 (game launch), until February 12, 2013 (1.7 release), then everything from April 9, 2013 (2.0) to September 9, 2013 (2.10) should be on RotHC instead of hear, etc. --NanoLuuke<sup>Cloning facility</sup> 16:41, February 14, 2020 (UTC)