Some of the additions from 222.152.183.152 are too close to the Databank entry, but not word for word in most places that I can spot. A scrub of this against the Databank would be nice. --SparqMan 13:51, 16 Jun 2005 (UTC)
Add image?
The three pictures here only show the helmet area. Would it be possible to upload a more full body look? You know, just to get a better look at the armor, especially since there's a section on it in the article. - Lieutenant Caminus 07:38, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
- Be my guest :). I'd suggest the first image be replaced with a full body shot or the first image be moved down and the full body shot be the first one. --DannyBoy7783 17:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
- The first image of the full-body uniform should be mirrored. It's common knowledge that that particular image is backwards. Shock Wave 06:22, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- "Common knowledge"? No, that's definitely not common knowledge, except maybe to you. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Imperial Emblem.png 12:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, common knowledge to TIE pilot costumers, but it's still true. Shock Wave 19:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Anyway, where is that image from? —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Imperial Emblem.png 21:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- It's from the Visual Dictionary, but I can assure you that all other visual references (i.e. the films themselves) to the TIE pilot uniform show this to be a mistakenly mirrored image. The 501st and the Omega Wing (a costuming group dedicated to the TIE pilot and unaffiliated with the 501st) have done extensive research on this. Shock Wave 07:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- Well, if it's shown this way in at least one source, it's not a mistake. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Imperial Emblem.png 12:20, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- Do I at least have permission to make it "more correct"? Shock Wave 19:34, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- I don't see why not. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Imperial Emblem.png 20:45, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, I went ahead and fixed it. Glad we could resolve this. Shock Wave 21:20, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- Great. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Imperial Emblem.png 21:21, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, I went ahead and fixed it. Glad we could resolve this. Shock Wave 21:20, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- I don't see why not. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Imperial Emblem.png 20:45, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- Do I at least have permission to make it "more correct"? Shock Wave 19:34, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- Well, if it's shown this way in at least one source, it's not a mistake. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Imperial Emblem.png 12:20, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- It's from the Visual Dictionary, but I can assure you that all other visual references (i.e. the films themselves) to the TIE pilot uniform show this to be a mistakenly mirrored image. The 501st and the Omega Wing (a costuming group dedicated to the TIE pilot and unaffiliated with the 501st) have done extensive research on this. Shock Wave 07:00, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
- Anyway, where is that image from? —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Imperial Emblem.png 21:10, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- Okay, common knowledge to TIE pilot costumers, but it's still true. Shock Wave 19:01, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
- "Common knowledge"? No, that's definitely not common knowledge, except maybe to you. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Imperial Emblem.png 12:15, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
Clear Helmet Image
Whenever I try to edit the clear helmet image away, or put a disclaimer there stating that it is not canon (the comic makers said it themselves), someone reverts my edits so that his version of the page is the only one to appear, and it clearly contaions some non-canon information. TIE pilots did not have clear helmets, and their visors did not slide up. I would appreciate it if someone helped me out with this.--CommanderGree117 13:16, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- It's from a comic, so it's canon. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Implogo.png 22:33, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
- Normally yes, but if the creators of the comic clearly state that its not, which they have, than it's not canon. Pick up a copy of the comic and you'll see that they say the only reason they put in the clear/slide up visors was so that we (the readers) could see the characters faces. --CommanderGree117 14:08, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- I have the comic, and I'm well aware why the faceplates were shown as they were. You might want to read the caption that we have here for the slid-up faceplate. As for the clear faceplate, the authors never said it was the same case. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Implogo.png 20:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- I wrote the caption for the faceplate, and seeing as how they [the TIEs] have no life support, it makes absolutely no sense for any pilot to slide his faceplate up while in flight, if indeed they can slide up. --CommanderGree117 23:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- Then why bother removing it? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Implogo.png 00:11, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- The faceplate is not the issue, I apologize if I was not clear. It's the clear helmet. No other source has shown a TIE pilot to have one, and then this source only uses one to establish character expression etc. I at least think that there should be a separate article for the "clear helmet", perhaps establishing it as a variant of the standard TIE armor, but whenever I make steps to remove the image from the regular article, and even improve it in other ways like adding more sources and appearances, you simply revert it back to "your" article, with the clear helmet being blatently displayed as canon, and less sources and appearances. --CommanderGree117 13:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- It is canon. And it's no "my article", as you call it. It's the version of the article that is simply more correct. Whether or not the Empire used those clear helmets, they were, in fact, used by TIE pilots. The helmet could simply be the Rebel Alliance's equivalent to the standard TIE helmet, but the fact is that TIE starfighters were used by the Rebel Alliance, which means those piloting them were still TIE pilots. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Implogo.png 18:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- Well, pilots with the ability to fly TIEs anyway. But you've convinced me, the image is canon. May I then offer up the suggestion that a distinction is made between the Rebel TIE Pilots and the Imperial TIE Pilots? Perhaps a notice that the helmet has only been seen on rebel pilots, making it Rebel TIE Armor? That Imperial pilots use faceless helmets, but the rebels stripped away the "mean face" and replaced it with a clear faceplate? If I were to make that leap would you accept it, or would you just revert it? --CommanderGree117 02:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- How do you propose to write it? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Implogo.png 02:21, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- Well, you saw my version, and apparently edited it to a more concise form, but I still think it is important to note the fact that the clear faceplates were used exclusively by the rebellion. How about "Biggs Darklighter with a transparent face plate on a mission for the Rebellion. The rebels were occasionally known to modify TIE pilot armor to make the wearer less anonymous." Or something along those lines? --CommanderGree117 02:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- Well, that's the thing: We don't know if this was Rebel-modified TIE armor. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Implogo.png 14:36, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- True, but when they were in the thre TIEs in a circle, talking about how they were Twin Engine coffins, and then the Y-Wing flies by, they were using the slide up visor to illustrate the character's facial movements. And they only started using the clear visor after they defected. So that's what led me to believe that it was rebel modified. --CommanderGree117 16:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- Regardless of what it led you to believe, we don't know for sure. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Implogo.png 18:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- But the fact remains that the armor only showed up after they defected, so it's at least worth mentioning. --CommanderGree117 17:36, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
- I don't know. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Implogo.png 21:01, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
- Okay. I'm glad we could come to a partial agreement on this. Thanks. --CommanderGree117 00:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- I'm glad, too. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Implogo.png 01:04, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- Okay. I'm glad we could come to a partial agreement on this. Thanks. --CommanderGree117 00:06, 27 November 2006 (UTC)
- I don't know. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Implogo.png 21:01, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
- But the fact remains that the armor only showed up after they defected, so it's at least worth mentioning. --CommanderGree117 17:36, 26 November 2006 (UTC)
- Regardless of what it led you to believe, we don't know for sure. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Implogo.png 18:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- True, but when they were in the thre TIEs in a circle, talking about how they were Twin Engine coffins, and then the Y-Wing flies by, they were using the slide up visor to illustrate the character's facial movements. And they only started using the clear visor after they defected. So that's what led me to believe that it was rebel modified. --CommanderGree117 16:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- Well, that's the thing: We don't know if this was Rebel-modified TIE armor. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Implogo.png 14:36, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- Well, you saw my version, and apparently edited it to a more concise form, but I still think it is important to note the fact that the clear faceplates were used exclusively by the rebellion. How about "Biggs Darklighter with a transparent face plate on a mission for the Rebellion. The rebels were occasionally known to modify TIE pilot armor to make the wearer less anonymous." Or something along those lines? --CommanderGree117 02:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- How do you propose to write it? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Implogo.png 02:21, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- Well, pilots with the ability to fly TIEs anyway. But you've convinced me, the image is canon. May I then offer up the suggestion that a distinction is made between the Rebel TIE Pilots and the Imperial TIE Pilots? Perhaps a notice that the helmet has only been seen on rebel pilots, making it Rebel TIE Armor? That Imperial pilots use faceless helmets, but the rebels stripped away the "mean face" and replaced it with a clear faceplate? If I were to make that leap would you accept it, or would you just revert it? --CommanderGree117 02:17, 23 November 2006 (UTC)
- It is canon. And it's no "my article", as you call it. It's the version of the article that is simply more correct. Whether or not the Empire used those clear helmets, they were, in fact, used by TIE pilots. The helmet could simply be the Rebel Alliance's equivalent to the standard TIE helmet, but the fact is that TIE starfighters were used by the Rebel Alliance, which means those piloting them were still TIE pilots. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Implogo.png 18:09, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- The faceplate is not the issue, I apologize if I was not clear. It's the clear helmet. No other source has shown a TIE pilot to have one, and then this source only uses one to establish character expression etc. I at least think that there should be a separate article for the "clear helmet", perhaps establishing it as a variant of the standard TIE armor, but whenever I make steps to remove the image from the regular article, and even improve it in other ways like adding more sources and appearances, you simply revert it back to "your" article, with the clear helmet being blatently displayed as canon, and less sources and appearances. --CommanderGree117 13:23, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- Then why bother removing it? Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Implogo.png 00:11, 22 November 2006 (UTC)
- I wrote the caption for the faceplate, and seeing as how they [the TIEs] have no life support, it makes absolutely no sense for any pilot to slide his faceplate up while in flight, if indeed they can slide up. --CommanderGree117 23:50, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
- I have the comic, and I'm well aware why the faceplates were shown as they were. You might want to read the caption that we have here for the slid-up faceplate. As for the clear faceplate, the authors never said it was the same case. Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Implogo.png 20:57, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Pilot
- my friend said that in the tie fighter game (for ms-das) that in a cutscene right before u save the emperor, level 8 mission 5 or something like that, u see a pilot scrambling for a defender and he looked different than a normal tie pilot? can anyone back that up.--PyRo 14:36, 8 May 2007 (UTC)
- Ask him to be more specific. "Different" can mean any number of things. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Imperial Emblem.png 19:12, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
- He said that the helmet was different, with the imperial symbols on the face plate by the cheek where the air suply tubes normally come out,and theres only one tube comeing out from the center apperatus??????????I beat the game but i have the newer collectors eddition without all the cutscenes so i havent seen it or i would take a print screene. On a positive note i just got the DAS version working but im on lvl 2 Arggggggg, but if i get confirmation i will work hard to get that image.--PyRo 13:00, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- Could your friend get an image? —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Imperial Emblem.png 00:46, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
- No he had the game when he was like ten :'(--PyRo 13:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Well, unless anyone else can find this, it appears to be a lie. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Imperial Emblem.png 19:45, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Not a lie, just unattested. jSarek 19:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Of course. I meant to say something like that. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Imperial Emblem.png 20:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- I could try to find it, i have the dos version now but i was just looking for confimation before i wasted hours of my life beating a game ive already beaten......its pyro by the way but im not loged in
- Keep getting a "loss of data" message every time you try to edit under your username? —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Imperial Emblem.png 19:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- The thing you have to understand about Pyro is that he's a bit of a lazy slug. You see, he just didn't feel like loging in. That's also the reason why he hasn't uploaded the blasted storm commando image yet. You see, I can say that because we're friends....User: LtCol. JuiceStain 17:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
- I see. Well, I for one keep getting that "loss of data" message, which is why I'm not logged in now. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Imperial Emblem.png 21:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's been happening to me too. I've been manually putting in my info. It's really a nuisance. User:LtCol. JuiceStain 21:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- Hopefully it will be fixed soon. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Imperial Emblem.png 22:23, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- Yeah, that's been happening to me too. I've been manually putting in my info. It's really a nuisance. User:LtCol. JuiceStain 21:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- I see. Well, I for one keep getting that "loss of data" message, which is why I'm not logged in now. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Imperial Emblem.png 21:29, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
- The thing you have to understand about Pyro is that he's a bit of a lazy slug. You see, he just didn't feel like loging in. That's also the reason why he hasn't uploaded the blasted storm commando image yet. You see, I can say that because we're friends....User: LtCol. JuiceStain 17:34, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
- Keep getting a "loss of data" message every time you try to edit under your username? —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Imperial Emblem.png 19:37, 15 May 2007 (UTC)
- I could try to find it, i have the dos version now but i was just looking for confimation before i wasted hours of my life beating a game ive already beaten......its pyro by the way but im not loged in
- Of course. I meant to say something like that. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Imperial Emblem.png 20:01, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Not a lie, just unattested. jSarek 19:55, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Well, unless anyone else can find this, it appears to be a lie. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Imperial Emblem.png 19:45, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- No he had the game when he was like ten :'(--PyRo 13:50, 14 May 2007 (UTC)
- Could your friend get an image? —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Imperial Emblem.png 00:46, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
- He said that the helmet was different, with the imperial symbols on the face plate by the cheek where the air suply tubes normally come out,and theres only one tube comeing out from the center apperatus??????????I beat the game but i have the newer collectors eddition without all the cutscenes so i havent seen it or i would take a print screene. On a positive note i just got the DAS version working but im on lvl 2 Arggggggg, but if i get confirmation i will work hard to get that image.--PyRo 13:00, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
- Ask him to be more specific. "Different" can mean any number of things. —Grand Admiral J. Nebulax (Imperial Holovision) File:Imperial Emblem.png 19:12, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Emotionally Unstable?
Where in Iron Fist does it say this? The quotation will do fine for my peace of mind, but including the page number will do better. Shock Wave 00:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
- I don't have the book on hand right now, sorry... I'll have to get back to you on that. It's Gara Petothel/Lara Notsil who thinks it when she reflects on the Imperial service and compares it to what she knows of how Rogue Squadron operates, if that's any help. Captain Daal File:Imperial Emblem.png 09:59, 9 December 2007 (UTC)