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After episode 5 confirmed Qimir as the Master, it is definitely necessary to combine all master content with Qimir content. Some people have already added events associated with the master onto the Qimir history section. It may also be necessary to rename the article to Qimir/The Master to clarify that he is indeed the sith.Unsigned comment by Trimetwes Fan1003 (talk • contribs).

Being worked on; there's already a merge tag at the top of here.spookywillowwtalk 02:03, 26 June 2024 (UTC)

Page name as "Qimir" rather than "The Stranger"[]

While it is clear that Qimir is not this character's actual name, as the character has stated that he has none, it is closer to any formal name we have than that of The Stranger. Alternatively, The Master is more specific and, to my recollection, used more frequently than The Stranger. However, it is my opinion that the name "Qimir" should be used for the article. PipMcGee (talk) 01:11, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

Wookiepedia is jumping the gun by labeling Qimir a Sith Lord[]

Qimir said "Your kind might call me a Sith" which indicates that he isn't a Sith. A Sith would self-identify as a Sith and Qimir obviously doesn't. On Disney's own Starwars.com it says about Qimir: "While some may call him a Sith, little is known of this dark sider"

They are practically saying outright that he is not a sith. Jake78N (talk) 04:40, 27 June 2024 (UTC)

  • To note, Manny Jacinto himself directly called him a Sith Lord, which you can read here '"We wanted a character that isn't just a Darth Vader type of guy who overpowers the screen. It's the concept of the uncanny. It can be a stumble in a person's walk or a twitch in somebody's eye. It's very subtle, and it's just like this uncomfortableness that people experience — and that's what we wanted to hone in on for this Sith Lord."' Lewisr (talk) 04:44, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  • I agree. Both the episode itself and official promotional material (the Databank entry is repeated on official Twitter accounts) are being intentionally vague. We (Wookieepedia) should not be putting ourselves in a position where we come down definitively on things like this based on a off-hand mention by an actor. It should absolutely be mentioned in the "Behind the scenes" section, of course, but I think putting down "Sith" across infoboxes and article bodies is borderline speculation. OOM 224 (he/him/they) 20:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Charlie Barnett said Anakin blew up Death Star, should that be considered canon over starwars.com too? RogueOwner (talk) 20:19, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Per OOM above, I think we should wait leave out the Sith links for now as more concrete info could suffice later on. Braha'tok enthusiast Hello there 21:13, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  • I agree that we should not refer to him as Sith until we know more about the situation, specially since we know there can be other groups of dark side force users with red lightsabers. Legoluisma (talk) 21:31, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Per Lewisr, since the actor has explicitly labeled the character as a "Sith Lord" the statement should be treated as true until and if contradictory information is revealed. In the past we've used similar statements as an indication of canonical affiliations.AxMech (talk) 21:42, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
    • I stand corrected, the examples I were thinking of were indeed comments by creative associates instead of the actors themselves. There is indeed not enough information right now to ID Qimir as a Sith.AxMech (talk) 01:17, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Usually we don't use actor's statements, only writers/directors, since they actually have input on the story, which actors don't. We shouldn't make an exception for this, especially since like OOM said, the material is deliberately being vague about it. CometSmudge (talk) 21:49, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  • We don't usually treat actors statements as definitive. In the show itself, the Stranger says that the Jedi "might call him Sith". This ambiguity is present in the Databank, and I don't think at this stage we should treat him as definitely a "Sith". ThrawnChiss7 Mitth symbol Assembly Cupola 23:58, 27 June 2024 (UTC)
  • I think it seems fairly definitive that Qimir is some kind of Sith, but not necessarily that he is a Dark Lord of the Sith. I think it is fair to continue describing him as Sith in some ways while removing the direct assertion that he is a Sith Lord. PipMcGee (talk) 01:24, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
  • A small two cents that while I disagree with "Sith Lord" being used in full, at least Sith-affiliated is citable to "Star Wars: The Acolyte: There Are Always Four – No More, No Less…" which did have Lucasfilm approval and notes the process behind how the interview was set up with LFL beforehand. It ID's Mae as a Sith assassin, thus meaning her Master would've been some kind of, or at least affiliated with if not one himself, a/the Sith.spookywillowwtalk 01:25, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
    • Ooh thanks. Yeah, with that source, this arrangement makes sense to me. OOM 224 (he/him/they) 08:34, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
      • It wouldn't make sense for Qimir to suggest the Jedi would call him Sith if he wasn't one. At this point in the timeline, the Jedi thought the Sith were extinct for a millennium as Ki-Adi-Mundi stated just a hundred years later. Why would Qimir want them to call him a member of a thought-to-be extinct group of Dark Side users when he's a different kind of Dark Side user? SeanWheeler (talk) 23:46, 28 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Noting that the Stranger was again referred to as "a Sith" in an Instagram interview of Christopher Clark Cowan, Acolyte's action designerAxMech (talk) 13:21, 29 June 2024 (UTC)
  • SWYTlogo The Acolyte | Lightsaber Stunts | Disney+ on the official Star Wars YouTube channel (backup link) explicitly calls the Stranger a Sith. Rsand 30 (talk) 16:59, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Leslye Headland calls him a Sith in a new Inverse interview "His character design was a long process. I mean, it was for everybody, but specifically for his character, to create a new Sith." https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/leslye-headland-acolyte-episode-5-interview-star-wars-qimir-cortosis LadyVader1005 (talk) 21:33, 1 July 2024 (UTC)

Identifying Muun as Darth Plagueis[]

I think it's a little premature to identify the unknown Muun Sith in the cave as Darth Plagueis. The source listed for that is a link to this Wiki's own article on the Acolyte, which doesn't have any information about him. Also, the timeline just doesn't fit. The Sith in the cave is decrepit in extreme, how is he supposed to survive ~200 years to then mentor Palpatine? "Use the midicholorians to extend life" - possible, but then he'd be the only Sith master through the next two hundred years, surviving all his apprentices, it just doesn't make a lot of sense. Without word from the production team or some other release, I don't think this should be assumed to be Plagueis. LadyTaratron (talk) 01:59, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

  • Darth Plagueis's own page (section: Behind the scenes) sources to Leslye Headland's interview, accessible here. Our policies allow for showrunners/content creators to clarify things in their own works; many things in SW do defy logic, but we only present what we're given by Lucasfilm.spookywillowwtalk 02:00, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
    • So should the source be updated to that interview? LadyTaratron (talk) 02:05, 18 July 2024 (UTC)
      • Should be, yes, whenever someone has time. The information is on a lot of pages so it probably just hasn't been gotten to.spookywillowwtalk 03:24, 18 July 2024 (UTC)

How long is it gonna be before someone finishes the article?[]

His history section only covers everything up to the Plagueis reveal and the powers section doesn't mention his mind erasing abilities.Unsigned comment by Trimetwes Fan1003 (talk • contribs).

Anyone's welcome to help edit, but, we're all volunteers so the above answer has no definitive timeline. It truly is whenever someone has the time to dedicate toward doing it. You're also welcome to help out yourself, too.spookywillowwtalk 00:35, 19 July 2024 (UTC)
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