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ImagesEdit

Is there a limit to the number of images on this page? The last picture seems to show up in preview, but not in the actual article? QuentinGeorge 02:50, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)

  • There's more on the Anakin Skywalker page so I doubt that the software set a limit on the images per article. -- Riffsyphon1024 04:53, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)
    • Fixed. Someone deleted the close tag of it. QuentinGeorge 04:59, 9 Jul 2005 (UTC)

CopyrightEdit

Uh, we have a problem. From comparisons I've seen, this article is exactly the same as the one in the Databank. User:SFH

  • There are some changes, especially in the first parts of the article, but yeah, way to many direct copies. Hmm, instead of writing a new article, we could just use the Wikipedia article, which is really good.-LtNOWIS 00:40, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)
  • Dang, I think this has been a copyvio since April 23, when an anon replaced most of our previous article with databank text. See this edit. I guess we could revert to the April 6 edition, but that was just a wookified version of the Wikipedia article, before the Wikipedia article got cleaned up and expanded.-LtNOWIS 00:52, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)
    • Yep. Take the Wikipedia article. While you're at it, integrate the wikipedia version of Exar Kun into that article as well. QuentinGeorge 09:19, 26 Aug 2005 (UTC)
      • So, we're in agreement? No objections?-LtNOWIS 02:31, 4 Sep 2005 (UTC)
        • Sounds good to me. I'll get right on it. MarcK 02:37, 4 Sep 2005 (UTC)

QuoteEdit

Can anyone think of one that's more about Ulic than by Ulic? The best would be one about his redemption and/or fall to the dark side, something along those lines. --MarcK [talk] 02:43, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)

  • I imagine Redemption might have a good quote from someone else. QuentinGeorge 02:49, 15 Jan 2006 (UTC)
    • Okay, Vima Sunrider's got a great quote concerning Ulic which she gives immediately after his death in Redemption issue 5. "Ulic may not have been able to touch the Force, but he understood it better than any of us... He had the heart of a Jedi..." Maybe that should be added to the article. annonymous, 06/04/07
      • Vima Sunrider also said "I was still a child when my mother and I watched Ulic's ship leave Ossus, and I knew even then that he had been my mother's second great love." If that helps at all.--24.6.105.116 00:34, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

SourceEdit

Can we get a source for Tom Veitch's statement? Cause accusing Anderson of "butchery" seems a very strong accusation. Cull Tremayne 21:19, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

  • Hey, it's KJA, what do you expect? .... 01:53, 15 October 2006 (UTC)
  • What with this article needing to be sourced for FA, I'll second this request. - Lord Hydronium 09:39, 13 March 2007 (UTC)
    • Unsourced deleted, placed her for restoring if sourced.
However, starting with Dark Lords of the Sith, Veitch began changing his plans, first by including Exar Kun after hearing of Kevin J. Anderson's plans to use an ancient Sith Lord for his Jedi Academy Trilogy, and then by co-authoring Dark Lords of the Sith with him. Anderson would go on to write The Sith War and Redemption on his own, thus further changing Veitch's original plans. Veitch came to resent the intrusion, and claimed "Ulic Qel-Droma was taken [from me] and butchered." [source?] KEJ 19:11, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Personality and Traits sectionEdit

This article needs one. .... 01:53, 15 October 2006 (UTC)

ErrorEdit

I want to ask about "hoggon shot him right in his heart" Where did you find that? First, he shot him in the back, and second, he lived something aboit a minute or so before dying, so this is quite impossible. Unsigned comment by 83.97.30.86 (talk • contribs).

Dark LordEdit

I am confused. In Jedi vs Sith: the Essential guide to the force is Ulic called a Dark Lord. First in description of Rule of two where is stated that both exar and ulic were dark lords and malak and revan were dark lords. Than when Vima describes her memories about ulic, she stated that ulic was the Dartk Lord of the Sith. As far as i know, Ulic was only Sith Lord, personaly promoted by ghost of Marka Ragnos and Exar's First apprentice and also Malak was only Revan's apprenice. So is it an error in Jedi vs Sith or what? --ScorpiO 15:51, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

Re: Dark LordEdit

Qel-Droma was a Dark Lord of the Sith, just as his Master, Exar Kun. The term is used synonomously with Sith Lord when referring to either man, or any of the other examples you stated. Hope this helps :)Tommy(Clean face and hands)The Anvil 15:56, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

  1. Yeah but it makes no sence to me, Dark lod is term used only for ruling sith lord, until Kaan and his Brotherhood. As far as I know, nowhere, except of Jedi vs Sith is stated, that ulic and malak were DLOTS (of course in the case of malak, before he "killed" his master --ScorpiO 16:48, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
    • Whether it was never stated before (which I cannot think of another instance off the top of my head right now), it is so stated in the EGTTF, therefore making it canon. Hope this helps.Tommy(Clean face and hands)The Anvil 17:06, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
      • OK, I've got it. Last thing (I hope), that thing with ulic and malak being dark lords even if they were apprentices is in conflict with Revan's holocron (also publicated in EGTF) where he stated (as in PoD) that there must be only one Dark Lord. So shouldn't we place someting like "there are two conflicting sources"? I am sorry for bothering but I want to know everything about sith very clearly and correctly.--ScorpiO 20:07, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
        • No, no, it's not a bother. I totally understand what you are saying, but there is nothing saying that Ulic wasn't a Dark Lord, only that he was both a Sith Lord and a Dark Lord. As far as the Revan/holocron thing, that came after Ulic & Exar Kun, so that wouldn't necessarily apply to them. Even in the old Sith Empire, the longstanding tradition was that there was only one Dark Lord of the Sith at a time, as in the example of Marka Ragnos. The fact that when he did proclaim both Ulic and Exar Kun as Sith, but only specifically stated Kun to be the new Dark Lord, hints that he was upholding the ancient traditions with which he was familiar. As the SW universe is filled with continuity and canonical discrepancies, I guess we can add this one to the list. But until I can confer with the resident admins, I'd hold off on adding that template you speak of. Hope this helps ;), and it's good to see another user asking good, intelligent questions. If you ever are interested in more things TOTJ, feel free to hit me up, as I'm pretty well versed in those areas, among others;)Tommy(Clean face and hands)The Anvil 20:21, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
          • Thank you very much. So in the case of Ulic and Exar it may be true but still it is strange. But in my oppinion, in the case of malak and revan it is mistake for it is said in the game several times, that malak gained the mantle of the dark lord by "killing" his master and there is also the thing about the holocron. So when the EGTF claim Ulic the Dark lord, shouldn't we correct it in his article and also in The dark lord Of the Sith?--ScorpiO 21:12, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
            • Sure. I'll make the necessary changes.Tommy(Clean face and hands)The Anvil 21:22, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
              • OK it is good to know that you will take care of this but still I think I have to say that it may be mistake, because in my point of view this book things that dark lord is the same thing as the sith lord. It describes both Exar/Ulic and Revan/Malak as dark lords and also, Sion, Traya and Nihilus as Dark lords and in Ajunta Pall's notes from the begining of the old sith empire is something like that " We conguered the Sith species and became their Dark Lords", but from previos sources we know that only Nihilus was DLOTS and Pall was probably the first DLOTS and he was allone, and next came after Pall's death. So it is very confusing and very unclear. --ScorpiO 21:45, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

RE:RE:Dark LordEdit

In Tales of the Jedi the title of Dark Lord of the Sith is imparted solely to Exar Kun whilst Ulic looks on. Were they both Dark Lords of the Sith, they'd have both been declared as such in that moment. Jedi vs. Sith: The Essential Guide to the Force is simply mistaken. It is also, thankfully, framed as an in-universe document - which means any contradictions (such as incorrectly referring to Ulic as a 'Dark Lord') can be ignored as a mistake on the part of Tionne.

"Dark Lord of the Sith" is a title held by only one individual until the coming of the Brotherhood of Darkness.

All we know, canonically, is that Tionne (or whoever she's quoting, I don't have the book on me right now) refers to Ulic as a Dark Lord of the Sith. Not that he actually was one. The book also states that the Jedi Civil War begins in 3961 BBY. Are we going to take that as canon over the actual material it's incorrectly referencing, too?

Exar Kun was referred to in TotJ, time and again, as the Dark Lord of the Sith. The definite article (newly revealed Sith Emperor not withstanding) precludes Ulic being Dark Lord of the Sith also. "Dark Lord" and "Sith Lord" are not synonymous - it's just a common mistake made.( Uli Talk 14:35, 10 November 2008 (UTC))

Also, the Jedi Civil War may have started in 3961 BBY from a certain point of view as that was during the Mandalorian Wars. And sometimes there are things called retcons. Thoughh it may be a continuity error, LucasArts does not like being incorrect. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo 14:45, 10 November 2008 (UTC)

AgeEdit

There is a birth year listed for both Ulic and Cay. I was wondering what the source is for these dates? Are these fanon dates? Thank you. Freedon 22:08, 26 May 2008 (UTC)

Main ImageEdit

Why the change from this? I liked the old one better, anyone else agree? Purpilia 16:54, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

  • No, that old image is grainy, low quality, and not the best one available for Ulic. I believe that certain users from WP:TOTJ are FA'ing this article, so they made the creative choice to change the image in the process of their work. Greyman(Talk) 16:57, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

StrengthEdit

When I read the Tales Of The Jedi comics I always imanganed Ulic was stronger than Exar Kun not saying he was smarter but there always seemed raw power in Ulic. User:IG-89 21:14 (GMT-8)

Images Edit

I believe that we should change the main image into something with a better profile and graphic.Darth Judicar 1998 Feb.17 2009

Umm... Lightsaber color?? Edit

Um.. What was Ulic Qel-Droma's lightsaber color? Obviously when he was a Sith Lord he had a red one, but the pics on his article are conflicting as to the color of his Jedi lightsaber. There is blue, green, and yellow. HELP!!--24.6.105.116 00:43, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Sylvar's Motives Edit

"Unknown to Ulic, however, a Cathar Jedi named Sylvar had arrived at Rhen Var as well; but her mission was one of vengeance. In a feeling of hatred over the death of her master at Ulic's hands years ago" I thought Sylvar hated Uliq cos he was one of the sith that corrupted her hubby and led to his death, not because of a master. 60.240.41.159 03:32, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

I'd like to know what the source is on Ulic's birth date.

Introduction... Edit

...is WAY TOO LONG. Most of what's in there either already is or SHOULD be incorporated in the main article. 69.149.226.134 17:15, January 5, 2010 (UTC)

  • You might want to familiarize yourself with our Manual of Style. The introduction should be the brief summary of the rest of the article. MauserComlink 17:17, January 5, 2010 (UTC)
  • emphasis on breif Calithlin 04:35, February 12, 2010 (UTC)
    • This article probably has the longest intro of any article on the site, so it really should be shortened.--Joi Kai Jokes 22:38, May 29, 2010 (UTC)
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