Talk:Tenebrae

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True body?

This is the body in question.

So, I'm curious, has anyone official ever confirmed the identity of the body encountered in Act 2 of the Jedi Knight story? Is this the true Emperor shrouded in wrappings, or is it yet another Voice? I don't want speculation, of course, just confirmation.--ARC Commander Colt (talk) 02:15, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

• The Voss Voice was confirmed to have been the Voice between 3,649 BBY—Act III, and the Hand's messages to the Wrath make it clear that the Emperor's body is in a sort of hibernation while controlling his Voice. Plus, the Encyclopedia makes it explicitly clear that the Emperor is incredibly terrified of death—that's why he created the Voice and the Children in the first place. While he's also supremely confident of his powers, it's highly unlikely that he would risk placing his true body in a situation where there is even the smallest possibility of harm, and the Jedi strike team was more than a possibility of harm. I don't know if that's confirmation enough for you, but that's what I determined during my research. Cade Calrayn 02:21, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
  • So if I'm reading you right, it's just another Voice. Huh.--ARC Commander Colt (talk) 02:30, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
    • To be specific, it's this Voice, yes. Cade Calrayn 02:32, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
      • But wouldn't that Voice still be stuck on Voss, or did he not go there until right before the Wrath is sent there?--ARC Commander Colt (talk) 02:39, March 26, 2013 (UTC)
        • Yeah, there's several months between the events on the Emperor's fortress and the death of that Voice, and the Emperor isn't on his fortress while the Hero is being trained as a Sith. The Emperor was freed from Voss only shortly before the Knight goes to Voss, as Scourge can sense the Emperor's presence when they go to the Dark Heart. Cade Calrayn 02:44, March 26, 2013 (UTC)

Most Powerful Sith of the Old Republic era

The SWTOR Encyclopedia and 2 Codex Entries in Star Wars: The Old Republic make it clear that the Sith Emperor is the most powerful Sith Lord up until the the end of the Cold War and the onset of the Second Great Galactic War.

Should this be included in his profile? MasterOfEnlightenment (talk) 18:33, October 3, 2013 (UTC)

• So long as we source them and carefully word it so that it doesn't violate NPOV, I see no reason why we shouldn't. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 00:55, October 5, 2013 (UTC)
• EDIT: Actually, one final question: You alluded to two Codex entries that claimed him to be the most powerful Sith up to the onset of the Second Great Galactic War. Can you give me the specific Codex entries (names will be enough if necessary) so I can specify those particular sources in the powers and abilities section. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 01:36, October 5, 2013 (UTC)
  • As it's my FA, I'll add it in when I have time, though it's speculation to claim that the Emperor stops being the most powerful. Cade Calrayn 02:22, October 5, 2013 (UTC)
    • Well, all I can say is that any implications that he stopped being the most powerful after that point was not my intent. Weedle McHairybug (talk) 04:16, October 5, 2013 (UTC)
      • I have recently created a comprehensive profile about merits of Emperor Vitiate in a source known as comicvine: http://www.comicvine.com/profile/s_w_legend/blog/. I believe that this profile contains ample information that can be useful for consultations. -S_W_LeGenD (talk) 16:12, April 26, 2014 (UTC)

Really dead in "Darth Plagueis"?

Can we be 100% sure he's dead? It was just said by Plagueis, but that only mean he think. he's dead. In TOR many ppl say he's dead and we know he isn't so it could still be a secret (or forgotten or anything)... I don't think we can be 100% sure that Plagueis is right ... --SoranPanoko (talk) 23:01, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

• Plagueis clearly refers to the Emperor as 'not being immortal, meaning that he's dead. We haven't seen his actual death yet, but he still dies. Cade Calrayn 23:05, January 8, 2014 (UTC)

Not being immortal just mean he can die... but that's not the point. He died official in TOR but he surived secretly, so maybe plagueis only think he's dead because the hole Galaxy think so, because he's still sleeping. Sure, he will die at some point, but since we don't know when, we can't be sure that he is allready dead... until they write a book or something about it--Soran 01:14, January 9, 2014 (UTC)

As energy can only be transformed or transferred, rather than created and/or destroyed, Plagueis might have been able to project his astral essence into a hidden, holocron-like device at the moment Palpatine killed the former's corporeal body. Similar to the Darkside Talisman of Karness Muur! So, the same thing might hold equally true for the last True Sith Emperpor.68.198.231.207 22:35, February 15, 2015 (UTC)User Carycomic

• Which is completely irrelevant. We don't write mights and maybes into our articles—just what we can confirm as factual. — DigiFluid^{(Whine here)} 00:26, February 18, 2015 (UTC)

But, as the SWEU has been ret-conned (by Lucas, himself), as "Legends of...," everything previously considered "factual" is now full of "mights" and "maybes" outside the canon of the films. :P 68.198.231.207 03:56, February 20, 2015 (UTC)User Carycomic

• As DigiFluid stated above, we only deal in facts, and will not add in "mights" and "maybes". Supreme Emperor (talk) 04:13, February 20, 2015 (UTC)

On that, I'm afraid we must permanently agree to disagree. As it is a fact, in itself, tha "legends" and "facts" are usually mutually exclusive terms.68.198.231.207 04:49, February 20, 2015 (UTC)User Carycomic

Even if he's dead by the time of the books, he's not dead yet. He was DEFINITELY DEAD when the Republic declared he was dead, but oh wait psyche no he's not. He is obviously not dead at the end of Ziost. I know that you want to say you only deal in facts, but especially with one such as Vitiate, there are no facts only what is currently thought until the writer(s) decide to change it. [Don't] watch the livestreams of the upcoming expanion if you [don't] want to know what happened to Vitiate after Ziost. AbsolutGrndZer0 (talk) 23:07, October 4, 2015 (UTC)

Vitiate's Master in the Revan-themed expansion

In the Revan-themed expansion of SWTOR, there's a secret achievement in which you have to find four Sith ghost. One of them is "the Ghost of Vitiate's Master on Yavin 4." And the guy in question is Marka Ragnos. --LelalMekha (talk) 20:14, September 30, 2015 (UTC)

Valkorion is the original body of Emperor

I know you guys are hard at work right now, but according to this information, The staff is implying that Valkorion was the original body of the Emperor, not Vitiate.

"Question: Will we ever get to see the Emperor in his original true body as a pureblood? (starts at 45:58)

Answer: Jesse Sky says ‘One of the great things about the Emperor is that he is all powerful. He can take many forms. That’s all I’m willing to say’. Musco says ‘Stay tuned’. Michael Backus chimes in ‘What if his trueblood form isn’t his original actual form? What if there is more to the story?’ Musco ‘insert eyebrow raise’."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kYX85dGVWo&feature=player_embedded

Ellchicago (talk) 15:42, October 22, 2015 (UTC) ellchicago

• Except that that's them implying and it directly contradicts established material. Plus, Vitiate is far older than his Valkorion form by all accounts within the game; he's only been ruling the Eternal Empire for a few centuries, while Vitiate was born 1400 years earlier. Cade Calrayn 15:48, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

I think it is unclear because Valkorion in chapter 1, when Darth Marr and the Outlander think he is the Sith Emperor says “Oh, I think a mistake has been made… but by whom?”

Later in Chapter 2, In the Outlander’s dream, Valkorion could say. “I am no Sith.” and “This Republic is not worth saving any more than my [Sith] Empire. We have a greater purpose.”

The Outlander could ask

“To take back your Eternal Throne?”

Valkorion smirks.

Valkorion outright claims he is not a Sith. This implies that he really doesn’t care much about the Sith Empire and the Eternal Throne is what he truly wants.

(Ellchicago (talk) 16:02, October 22, 2015 (UTC)) ellchicago

• The Codex entries explain that he no longer considers himself Sith; he's created the Eternal Empire as "his greatest, most ambitious endeavor: an idealistic playground where he can shed his past and experience a new life unburdened by archaic Sith teachings." He believes himself beyond Sith or Jedi, and he hasn't cared about the Sith Empire for centuries - it's all been a way to start the ritual. Cade Calrayn 16:05, October 22, 2015 (UTC)

While it is possible for Vitiate to be the original form. I disagree with idea that he still wants to start the ritual. http://i0.wp.com/www.xamxamsays.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/vitiate-codex.jpg

On Ziost Vitiate says “I have already cheated death. I have other plans now-as you will see.”

(Ellchicago (talk) 16:18, October 22, 2015 (UTC)) ellchicago

Change infobox to dark jedi?

In Knights of the Fallen Empire chapter 2: Dream of an Empire, Valkorion claims that he is not Sith, so should we change the infobox to that of a Dark Jedi? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_PFrlJ1oTQ

On a side note, I think the image here [1] should be added somewhere to the article. I managed to get a version of it before without the SWTOR mark by using the inspect element tool.--Jace Onasi (talk) 12:30, March 19, 2016 (UTC)

Rename to Vitiate

Ok, so I am all for Valkorion being the infobox picture, but the article being called "Valkorion" just seems rather misleading. Valkorion is the name of his current form, but overall he is still Vitiate, no matter what false identity he may assume. Darth Ravigious (talk) 03:18, April 7, 2016 (UTC)

I think Vitiate set this up just to get back at the Hero Of Tython cause honestly i think he is still out there probably regaining his strength to battle the Hero again and Valkorian must of been the original Sith Emperor but i guess left his Empire due to power hunger fools as he mentions in one of the chapters i believe this is just my opinion - Razor J40Heat.

The page really should be renamed to Vitiate. In Knights of the Eternal Throne chapter 2, Valkorion says that Valkorion was a great champion of Zakuul whom he chose to use as his vessel. The emperor therefore is stil Vitiate and not truly Valkorion (who is, with his words, "a hollow shell". Dajax02 (talk) 00:08, November 30, 2016 (UTC)

Gee. Thanks for spoiling. I won't be able to play until after exams xD

But in all seriousness, if that is the case, they might as well be two completely different articles...maybe, assuming that Valkorion was a separate individual. Darth Ravigious (talk) 06:11, November 30, 2016 (UTC)

Minor spoiler... Valkorion was in fact a seperate individual. Was. Vitiate "hollowed him out and used him as [his] vessel." Valkorion is, as he says himself, simply a face he chose to wear ("Valkorion was a great warrior and the greatest champion of ancient Zakuul. It was only natural I hollow him out and use as my vessel" (or something along that line)). Opposite this, Vitiate is the one he (the emperor) has always been. Dajax02 (talk) 11:11, November 30, 2016 (UTC)

• I'm aware, and there will be two separate articles; Valkorion (original) and this one. Cade Calrayn 13:46, November 30, 2016 (UTC)

The page should be renamed to Tenebrae because it's his real name right? But why still call him Vitiate? I don't get it? User:Razorj40heat

• Because he abandoned the name Tenebrae in favour of Vitiate when he was made a Sith Lord. Common practice among the Sith; Anakin, Dooku and Palpatine all did the same. No different than people changing their name in real life, really. (Remember to sign comments btw) Dajax02 (talk) 20:07, December 11, 2016 (UTC)

Voice of Valkorion

Following link says Darin De Paul voices Valkorion in Star Wars: The Old Republic: Knights of the Fallen Empire: [2] --Nostalgia of Iran (talk) 00:56, September 15, 2016 (UTC)

Year of Vitiate's Death

Quoting the notation saying that Vitiate died on 3630 BBY: "According to Star Wars: The Old Republic's lead designer Charles Boyd (screenshot), the events depicted in post-launch Game Updates can be assumed to occur in a timeline matching that of their real-time release. Therefore, the later chapters of the Digital Expansion Star Wars: The Old Republic: Knights of the Fallen Empire occur in 3631 BBY. Boyd also confirmed that the sequel, Star Wars: The Old Republic: Knights of the Eternal Throne, is set six to eight months after the end of Fallen Empire, so the events of Eternal Throne can be placed in approximately 3630 BBY."

First, that doesn't scan with the actual content of the chapters. Chapters 14-16 are, in-universe, right on top of each other and a single mission takes place off-screen during Chapters 12 and 13. Month long breaks between them makes no sense.

Second, the logic is that KOTFE was released a year before KOTET wrapped up, in-universe largely matches real-world release times, therefore KOTET wraps up 2 years after KOTFE?

It seems a lot more logical that Vitiate died in 3631 BBY, that KOTFE post-release chapters are bunched up a bit more in release to account for the six month gap between the two (only needs to account for 2 months, since KOTET was released ~4 months after KOTFE ch16.

How is it possible for him to die after all didnt he undergo the same immortality ritual as the scourge ?

Move to "Tenebrae"

Tenebrae is now what he's being called the most in SWTOR. Plus Vitiate is his Sith name, a faction which he abandoned. --Potsk (talk) 05:18, October 25, 2019 (UTC)

• Seconding this, can someone move this to Tenebrae? He doesn't go by Vitiate anymore. --Lolu (text me) 04:17, October 29, 2019 (UTC)
  • I won't be move unless a new CT is done, please take a look to the top of the page--DarthRuiz30 (talk) 05:41, October 29, 2019 (UTC)
    • CT has been created: Forum:CT:Move Vitiate to Tenebrae --Potsk (talk) 13:58, February 20, 2020 (UTC)