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Wraith pic[edit source]

  • Thanks for letting me know about that. Sorry it's taken me so long to get that in; I've been busy. Atarumaster88 20px (Talk page) 02:28, October 5, 2009 (UTC)
    • Enjoy the Agents of Deception here and check with Craven for the other one. He provided the info in that link. ;) Atarumaster88 20px (Talk page) 06:22, October 9, 2009 (UTC)

Dark Side scenario[edit source]

Wow, wow, hold on. Who told you that the dark-side scenarios are non-canon? The information from them should be in the body of the article, not in the BTS. MauserComlink 09:23, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

  • Well, the Agents of Deception dark-side scenario runs directly counter to the light-side scenario and breaks canon (having Han and Lando interact in 1 ABY), and the Galactic Hunters dark-side scenario consists solely of capturing famous characters and turning them over to the Empire (Wedge, Karrde, Corran). They're obviously not intended to be canonical. Havac 19:15, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
    • The Galactic Hunters light-side campaign consists of you hunting down the bounty hunters in order to liberate the Rebels before they are transferred to a secure location. Thus, not only there is no big contradiction, but it also makes no sense without the dark side campaign. The Agents of Deception campaign is a bit more tricky, I agree. Han and Lando are not supposed to interact around 1 ABY and around the time they can (4 ABY) the campaign would make even less sense. However, as I pointed to Ataru while updating Lando Calrissian, "It's Galaxies. It's not supposed to make sense." He eventually agreed to put that info in the main body, not sure if it counts as a precedent to you. Besides, as I pointed in that TFN thread, the scenarios are not alternate, they run concurrently/consequently and one campaign affects the other. MauserComlink 19:26, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
      • So I need to track down information on the light side campaign too? I was only given the dark side scenarios. Havac 19:44, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
        • To be honest: I do not know. I only have the limited description from the free part of the game. However, all the light-side campaign deals with tracking down the location the prisoners are held in, it has no info concerning Karrde or Horn themselves. I believe that if you add that they were rescued by an unidentified spacer, that would suffice. MauserComlink 19:52, October 11, 2009 (UTC)
          • I've put out another request on TFN; I'll see what comes back from that and then make the changes. Havac 20:25, October 11, 2009 (UTC)

Corran Horn[edit source]

Okay, what's the deal with that double-revert? I just put more details in and slightly improved the sourcing, why revert my edits? Maybe I should have reworded the text a bit more, but your version does not include any references to time frame (and "after the battle of Talus" is better than nothing), and also does not say that Horn was among Emperor's Most Wanted. And what part exactly is contradicting established canon? MauserComlink 19:03, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

  • Well, there's the part where Corran being in with the Rebels contradicts the fact that he despised the Rebels and wanted nothing to do with them, and most importantly the part where the Empire puts a bounty on Corran, puts him in jail, he breaks out, and he . . . goes back to working for the Empire. So, while nothing in my version contradicts that, I dance around the parts that are utterly inexplicable, make no sense, and don't gel with anything else, thus making a coherent article and avoiding contradiction. The article never says "Corran Horn was not on the Emperor's Most Wanted list," but it also avoids saying, "Corran Horn was on the Emperor's Most Wanted list (before he'd even graduated CorSec academy and during a period when he explicitly had no relations with the Rebellion), escaped capture, and went back to working with Imperial Intelligence officer Kirtan Loor." As for the rest of your details, they're mostly just rephrasing the scenario writeups and going into minutia, which isn't necessary. As for the sourcing, I've never seen us source things to specific video game campaigns, or specific scenarios in an RPG book (unless they've been published separately). We really only source to specific cards because we can link right to them. I don't see a need to start pegging everything down to subportions of products. On the timing: is this campaign explicitly set after the Battle of Talus? Or are you assuming that later card releases have to be set after the SOC card release? Havac 19:21, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
    • Ah, I see your point now. You know, the writers of those scenarios are quite stupid, they're constantly making CorSec officers arrest Imperial representatives on duty. Also, the entire Squadrons Over Corellia campaign is build over Talus being a moon of Corellia, that fact is stated like 12 times, so I had to get around that too. The reason I am now sourcing things to the campaigns is because the information is not present on the cards themselves, and people might wonder where the hell does that come from. I have sourced quite a lot of the info to the campaigns now, but since it's your FA, you can leave it as you wish. Regarding the timing: the intro to the GH campaign start with "Disturbed by the recent successes of Rebel espionage activities within the Corellian system, the Emperor has...". This obviously refers to an earlier SOC campaign, where Rebel spies obtain the Imperial battle plans for the Battle of Talus and, analyzing them, manage to evacuate most personnel from the base before the assault, much like on Hoth. So, the next campaign has to be set sometime after that. MauserComlink 19:44, November 19, 2009 (UTC)
      • Thanks, I'll work that back in. Havac 19:55, November 19, 2009 (UTC)

Wedge[edit source]

Hello, Havac, I see that you're working on Wedge on your subpage, so I got a couple of Wedge images, which I hope you could use. Also please make sure to note this, which includes new info on him from the said SWGTCG campaign. MauserComlink 21:52, November 21, 2009 (UTC) File:Wedge Antilles - GH.jpg File:Wedge Antilles - TSS.jpg File:Wedge-HBCE.jpg File:LandoWedge-HBDE.jpg

  • Thanks a bunch! Havac 22:03, November 21, 2009 (UTC)

Here's another couple images of Wedge if you'd like to make use of them - from from Handbook 2: Crimson Empire and Handbook 3: Dark Empire. - JMAS 20px Hey, it's me! 13:36, December 2, 2009 (UTC)

Project[edit source]

I wish to start a project deicated to characters, how can i get that started? T-888 15:00, January 11, 2010 (UTC)

Darth Caedus[edit source]

Can we please add the "over Shedu Maad" segment to the death in Jacen Solo's infobox? I don't want to get into a conflict over it.--Jen'ari Xer'lyx 16:23, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

  • No. The ship is the location. There's a reason I told you to look around and get familiar with our standards for articles before doing any more editing. You've been here for two weeks, and you keep getting in edit wars with admins and established contributors because you don't seem to realize that someone who's been here two weeks probably has less of an idea what articles should look like than everyone else. I'm glad you want to edit. I am. But edit-warring because you want to add sloppily-formatted trivia, screw around with the images, or add nonstandard data to the infobox is a bad idea, and the fact that you keep getting reverted by admins and established users should clue you in to that. Havac 18:11, March 21, 2010 (UTC)

Police Academy 2: Their First Assignment[edit source]

Yo. I know that the Caamas Document Crisis is criminally underrepresented in images, so if you're looking for some for Wedge, here's a heads-up on this one that I came up with for Garm. Menkooroo 06:46, March 30, 2010 (UTC)

  • Hah, thanks. Havac 04:43, March 31, 2010 (UTC)

I came across something about Jag --- ten years ago Kathy Tyers said, on Balance Point: "Jagged Fel appeared in my early drafts of the prologue, but I was asked to take him out. He's obviously fighting on another front now." Here's the link. if you view thirty posts per page. If you view fifteen, it's on page 7. I was going to add it into the bts myself, but rather than mess with a featured article, I'll leave it up to your discretion as to whether or not it's noteworthy enough to warrant a mention. Menkooroo 15:28, April 18, 2010 (UTC)

  • Thanks, Jeff. Nice catch. Added it in. Havac 06:37, April 19, 2010 (UTC)

Sorry to keep walking on your grass. But I was just looking for some info on the development of the Rogue Squadron novels, and came across some interesting stuff from Stackpole confirming the existence of the "Cult of Wedge", and some of the advice he got that led to him using Wedge as a central character. Check it out here. I'll stop bothering you... now! Menkooroo 07:03, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

NJO Knightfall[edit source]

  • Just checking in to see if you're familiar with the location of the official announcement of the cancellation of the Knightfall trilogy. I've tried extensive Google searching and though I can find numerous quotes of Shapiro on fansites, I can't seem to locate the exact place where it was stated. Do you happen to know where that is? It used to be on something called Appendix G on the Lit boards of TF.N, but that page seems to have disappeared. Thanks. Atarumaster88 20px (Talk page) 21:43, April 10, 2010 (UTC)
    • Check out Thrawn McEwok's post here. Very comprehensive Knightfall timeline. Menkooroo 22:32, April 10, 2010 (UTC)

Fact Files[edit source]

I'll try a get you a scan from FF118 in the next few days - just moved house and everything is a little random at the moment. I'll also give the index a run through a see how many entries reference Jacen and let you know. - Cavalier One20px(Squadron channel) 15:10, April 26, 2010 (UTC)

Havac, I have the scans, I just need an email address to send them to. PM it to me, or catch me in IRC and you can have them immediately. I also checked for Jacen mentions in the Index; he appears in:
Jacen and Jaina Solo, SOL37-40, issue 118
Han Solo, SOL26, issue 95
Leia Organa, LEI45, issue 112
Resurgence of Black Sun, SUN1-2, issue 106
Insurrection on Corellia, INS2, issue 101
Diversity Alliance, DIV2, issue 100
Lowbacca, LOW1-2, issue 74
Shadow Academy, SHA1-4, issue 92
Yuuzhan Vong Incursions, YUU10, issue 115
Hope that helps. - Cavalier One20px(Squadron channel) 19:35, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
Sent over to you. Can you confirm that you have received it? - Cavalier One20px(Squadron channel) 19:53, May 20, 2010 (UTC)
  • Speaking of Fact Files, the map in FF2 has the Troiken, which may be where Fry got that name from. --Eyrezer 13:20, May 21, 2010 (UTC)

Curious Jerec thing[edit source]

I just thought I'd mention this, as I noticed it while perusing the NEGTC for Vader stuff: apparently Jerec tried to overthrow Isard's regime. From Isard's profile: "A short time later Jerec, a former Jedi who was turned to the dark side by High Inquisitor Treymayne, also failed to topple her regime." You might have already got it in the article somewhere and I just missed it, but I thought I'd just mention it. Thefourdotelipsis 11:58, May 25, 2010 (UTC)

Query about Syal Fel[edit source]

In the "Romance" section, you use the dialogue template for the quote. I don't understand, shouldn't the quote template be used unless there are more than two speakers?—Jedi Kasra (comlink) 05:46, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

  • That's only for two speakers saying one line each. Longer exchanges get the dialogue template. Havac 07:20, July 26, 2010 (UTC)
    • Cool, didn't know. That's not the way I've seen it done, but I'm not gonna object over something as trivial as the way someone puts a quote. Good job on the article.—Jedi Kasra (comlink) 13:51, July 26, 2010 (UTC)

Inquiry on Abeloth[edit source]

Would you happen to have a clue on what Abeloth is? -Master CJ 06:50, August 4, 2010 (UTC)

Request[edit source]

Hey, Havac. I saw A Guide to the Star Wars Universe (Third Edition) listed in your collection and I was wondering if you could help me a bit. I'm planning to work on Nichos Marr and the Darksaber, and apparently, both have entries in the book. Could look up the information on these two? QuiGonJinn 20px(Talk) 18:22, August 10, 2010 (UTC)

BillSlav[edit source]

Hey Havac,

I heard that you're a good person to ask about information from Bill Slavizscek's second and third editions of A Guide to the Star Wars Universe. Apparently Page has an entry in both --- would you be able to help me out? If not, no worries, and if so, thank you sooooo much. I have like, every other source accounted for; this'll be it. And... if his commandos have an entry (either Page's Commandos or Katarn commandos), could you tell me if they say anything specific about Page (like, "the legendary commando" or something)? You are wonderful! Menkooroo 01:54, August 16, 2010 (UTC)

Caedus's affiliation[edit source]

Havac, I've tried adding Galactic Alliance Guard to the affiliation in Caedus's infobox, but it was reverted. Why is this the case? It would make sense for it to be there.--ID-21 Dolphin 19:47, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Tarkin in XvT[edit source]

Hey. Here's the stuff about Tarkin in X-wing vs. TIE Fighter.

The Imperial Star Destroyer Allecto is being attacked by three squadrons of Rebel starfighters while awaiting the arrival of Grand Moff Tarkin. Prevent serious damage to the Allecto or it will have to flee and Tarkin will be most displeased!

  • Imperial Star Destroyer Allecto is facing an attack by three squadrons of Rebel starfighters divided into three teams.
  • Allecto's starfighter complement consists of four TIE Fighter squadrons and two TIE Bomber squadrons.
  • These will deploy in four teams, each consisting of a TIE Bomber and a pair of TIE Fighters.
  • The Rebel starfighters have deployed into three strike forces, each consisting of two Y-wings, an X-wing and an A-wing.
  • We are awaiting the arrival of Grand Moff Tarkin aboard Shuttle Illirium and must defeat the Rebel attack before he gets here!

TIE Bombers from Eta and Theta groups assigned to launch warheads (concussion missiles by default) at the Rebels while TIE Fighters from Alpha, Beta, Gamma and Delta groups provide cover and engage at will when missiles used up. Rebel force consists of Y-wings from Gold Squadron, X-wings from Red Squadron and A-wings from Blue Squadron. Imps told to target the Y-wings first. Tarkin's shuttle eventually arrives (set at the point 66% of the Rebels are destroyed) and the Imps are told to escort him to the Allecto. There are also TIE Avengers from Iota group if the player(s) need reinforcements. Win conditions are for the Rebels to all be destroyed or withdraw and for both the Allecto and Illirium to survive. The mission is listed as a "Training Exercise." In X-wing and TIE Fighter they're simulations of historical battles, but this doesn't say. I'll leave deciding how to treat it up to you. Green Tentacle (Talk) 20:12, August 28, 2010 (UTC)

Soon: SWSE[edit source]

Hello, Havac. I do own a copy of SWSE, but I cannot access it right now nor will in the following few weeks, at least. I'm to travel some hundreds of miles and recover that particular item before the end of September or, in the worst case, during October (That trip is in the best of my interests for other reasons, so I intend to go asap). I'll tell you what: as soon as I can access it, I'll drop you a line, because I know you're interested. Also, if I'm delayed for some unexpected reason, I'll keep you informed. Skippy Farlstendoiro 18:49, September 1, 2010 (UTC)

Tarkin[edit source]

Hey Havac, I know that you're working on Wilhuff Tarkin, and just to let you know, he has a brief appearance in the novel for The Force Unleashed II. I added the novel to the list of appearances, but didn't put in any info about what he actually does in the scene.Do you want me to add the info, which will only amount ot a few sentences, or do you own the novel and plan to write it yourself? Thanks.--ID-21 Dolphin 20px(Talk) 22:40, October 20, 2010 (UTC)

  • I'll be getting it in soon. Havac 03:58, October 21, 2010 (UTC)

A Guide to the SW Galaxy[edit source]

Could you check your copy of this and see whether namana is mentioned in its entry for Bakura? --Eyrezer 06:52, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

  • It mentions "agricultural exports" but doesn't specify namana. Havac 18:41, October 30, 2010 (UTC)
    • Cheers --Eyrezer 20:54, October 30, 2010 (UTC)

Article Sectioning[edit source]

Hey Havac, I've noticed that two long FAs that you've written, Jagged Fel and Gilad Pellaeon, have a minor sectioning issue in their biography sections: their biographies are formatted 1.1 to 1.20 or so, whereas almost all long FAs, including many you've written (Darth Caedus is an example) are subsectioned with four or five main sections by time period or war, with a few subsections in each section. Do you think this can be fixed with Fel and Pellaeon so that their biography looks more like the FA norm? Thanks a lot.--ID-21 Dolphin 20px(Talk) 14:27, November 14, 2010 (UTC)

  • Fel has thirteen bio sections to his article; Caedus has thirty-seven. They're not equivalent. The norm is to have subsections when they're needed to break up what would otherwise be an extremely long TOC, not to have them just for the sake of having them. Pellaeon at twenty sections may call for some subsectioning; I'll look at that. But we shouldn't put in extra subsectioning just to have it; the number of sections has to call for it. Jag's article doesn't. Havac 00:30, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
  • I agree, Pellaeon is more in need of them than Jag. Since he fought in several major wars, it would make sense to break them up by war or era. As for Fel, even if you don't want to make more subsections, the last one, "Conspiracy and crisis", is extremele long, so I would advise splitting it into two.--ID-21 Dolphin 20px(Talk) 21:09, November 15, 2010 (UTC)
    • Once enough material comes out from FOTJ for me to find a proper spot for a section break, a new section will be added. As of the moment, though, there's not a clear natural split. Havac 01:51, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
      • Good point. The later FOTJ novels, probably Fate of the Jedi: Ascension especially, will hugely focus on Jag, whereas he's gone back to being a minor character at this point in the series.--ID-21 Dolphin 20px(Talk) 12:28, November 16, 2010 (UTC)
        • Any updated plans on this, especially with the release of Vortex? It's been over two weeks.--ID-21 Dolphin 20px(Talk) 23:21, December 1, 2010 (UTC)
    • Hey Havac, just noticed the sectioning on Pellaeon, and it definitely looks better now. Thanks a bunch! And one more thing: if you own Vortex, some FAs like Fel and Caedus need updating.--ID-21 Dolphin 20px(Talk) 20:41, December 18, 2010 (UTC)
      • Thanks a lot; it looks really nice. I'm not going to erad what you added to Jag's article, though, because I haven't read the book yet and don't want any spoilers.--ID-21 Dolphin 20px(Talk) 03:03, December 20, 2010 (UTC)

Fel links[edit source]

Hey Havac, I see a few missing links on the Jagged Fel article, should I fix them myself or show you the missing ones? Thanks.--ID-21 Dolphin 20px(Talk) 13:44, January 2, 2011 (UTC)

Merry Christmas![edit source]

Master Jonathan has awarded you a Mint Wookiee Cookie!
For your efforts in helping Wedge Antilles become the longest Featured Article on Wookieepedia, specifically writing the article in the first place. Without that, nobody else would have had the opportunity to review the article and shape it to its current Featured state. This really was a team effort. Thank you for your work, and have a very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Master Jon (War Room) Saturday, December 24, 2011, 05:18 UTC
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