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Eras template Edit

Hey, Hobbie! Thanks for adding those era tags to all those articles! I must ask one thing, though: that you use the correct template. It's {{Eras}}, not {{Era}}. Thanks in advance! --Imp 15:19, 16 November 2006 (UTC)

10-4. I'll do it. Hobbie911 18:11, 17 November 2006 (UTC)

CategoriesEdit

Hey. How come you're putting Category:Alliance Military members under Category:Rebel Alliance members? I thought they generally just got listed under the subset. I reverted a couple, but I'll change them back if I'm wrong. Either way, can you put categories into alphabetical order and, for characters with two names, it should go [[Category:<category name>|<last name>, <first name>]]. Thanks. Green Tentacle (Talk) 16:10, 18 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, it seems that those who are Category:Alliance Military members are by rote also Category:Rebel Alliance members. Whereas the vice-verse isn't necessarily true. As far as the alphabetical order and names, I'll be sure to do that. Thanks. Hobbie911 16:13, 18 November 2006 (UTC)
    • That's true: which means there's no need to put characters in "Alliance Military members" and in "Rebel Alliance members", since all the characters in the Alliance Military subcategory are in the Rebel Alliance main category. (Similarly, anyone in Category:Rogue Squadron personnel doesn't get put into the Alliance Military category, because they were all by definition in the Alliance Military.) I'm going to rollback several of your last edits to avoid redundant categories. Cheers, —Silly Dan (talk) 13:29, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Wait, now that I think about it, some Rogue Squadron people were Alliance but not NR, and others were NR but not Alliance. Hmm. Perhaps in that situation, there should be redundant categorization. I won't get rid of those for if they overlap, then. —Silly Dan (talk) 13:55, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
        • Yea, Rogue Squadron spans four eras, so differentiation is probably necessary there. Hobbie911 17:26, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Question Edit

How is Lando considered "Nobility"? --Imp 17:32, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

  • Well, he was a Baron-Administrator. That's like a noble title, even if he did win it in a card game. —Silly Dan (talk) 17:37, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
    • Well, if it's ever referred to as a noble title, fine. But I don't think the inclusion of "Baron" in the title makes it noble. =) --Imp 17:40, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
      • Additionally, due to Lando's social status and his reputation as a venture capitalist by the New Jedi Order, I would argue he qualifies as someone among the "nobility." Much like Donald Trump would. The D20 RPG considers Lando both a "Noble" and a "Scoundrel" for this very reason. Hobbie911 17:41, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
        • Trump has high socio-economic status, but he's not a nobleman. Additionally, RPG classes are game mechanics (i.e. non-canon). --Imp 17:48, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
          • Explain to me how Donald Trump isn't considered nobility. Nobility is NOT something purely relegated to birthright. It is a status that can be earned and more often than not, IS earned. Presidents Ronald Reagan and Bill Clinton, many Hollywood actors/actresses, self-made billionaires and philanthropists like Bill Gates, political appointees like John Bolton, etc. all qualify as individuals among the "nobility." The elite. The wealthy. The influential. The successful. All qualities of the nobility--all qualities of Lando Calrissian as well. Hobbie911 17:54, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
            • Wikipedia:Nobility: "Although the United States, like almost every society, has a privileged 'upper class' with great wealth and power, this does not entail a separate legal status, or different forms of address. The U.S. Constitution expressly forbids the U.S. government to grant titles of nobility, and for U.S. officials to accept them from foreign governments." --Imp 17:59, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
              • The reference to nobility in the Constitution is dealing explicitly with nobility with regard to "royalty" (i.e. lords, ladies, dukes, duchesses, and kings). As has been noted, someone among the nobility is NOT by rote relegated to that status by birthright. Nobility can mean: "the state or quality of being noble." Nobility can mean: "nobleness in mind, character, or spirit." Nobility can mean: "grandeur or magnificence." You're using nobility in the strictest and most possible narrow sense--the 18th Century British NOUN definition. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Nobility and http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/Noble should be useful for you. In the latter link, notice definitions 6-8; particularly 8. Hobbie911 18:09, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
                • I am aware that there are more liberal definitions. But let's not turn this into a debate about the definition of nobility in our world. Back to Lando: the category description of "Nobility" is "holders of noble titles"—mr. Calrissian doesn't hold one. And to apply the liberal definition of nobility to him would be POV—he's not considered to be society's elite by everyone. --Imp 18:18, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
                  • Well, it seems to me that there is an intrinsic necessity to discuss the definition of "noble." Is Baron-Administrator considered a "noble" title? If not, then why not? You're arguing that casting Lando as nobility is POV. Yet, it would seem to me that you're basically doing the same thing by claiming he's "not considered to be society's elite by everyone." I imagine Bail Organa or Soontir Fel wouldn't be considered to be society's elite by everyone either--but that doesn't change the objective fact that THEY ARE. Same applies for Lando. Yes, he was a scoundrel and gambler and smuggler and many see him as ONLY that. But he was also a Baron-Administrator, a venture capitalist, a war hero, a husband, an entrepreneur, a pilot, etc. If I were to use your argument, then I wouldn't be able to apply these titles BECAUSE he wouldn't be considered some or all of these things "by everyone." It's a poor argument IMHO. Cheers. Hobbie911 18:33, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
                    • You're misinterpreting me (my wording was rather poor), so allow me to rephrase: He is explicitly referred to as being all those things in licensed Lucasfilm products. To call him nobility based on your own interpretation of his social status is just that; your own interpretation. It has no place in a canon encyclopedia. --Imp 19:03, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
                      • The Empire Strikes Back and the D20 RPG (both licensed Lucasfilm products) would seem to indicate he is among the nobility, then (Baron-Administrator in the films and a Noble in the game). You're the Admin. I'm simply arguing in favor of making the Lando Calrissian page more complete and encompassing. Hobbie911 02:30, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
                        • 1) RPG classes are gameplay mechanics. 2) The inclusion of "Baron" in the title "Baron Administrator" does not make it a noble title. 3) No, you're arguing in favor of your own perception of the Lando Calrissian character. --Imp 06:39, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
                          • You seem to be contradicting yourself often. Who determines whether or not Baron-Administrator is not a title denoting "nobility"? You? Because that would mean you would be guilty of the very thing you're accusing me of--arguing in favor of your own perception. Hobbie911 18:46, 20 November 2006 (UTC)
                            • No, licensed Star Wars products decide that. Of which you have yet to find a single source that refers to "Baron Administrator" as a noble title. Since you first classified him as "Nobility", it is up to you to prove that he's referred to as such in a canon product, not to others to disprove it. --Imp 18:51, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

(Note: returning to non-tabbed comments because there are too many asterixes.) I can't support the idea that just because a character has a high social status, he goes into the Nobility category. As for the RPG class, that's just game mechanics: plenty of characters with no claim to noble titles could get that character class. I might consider him a noble due to the Baron-Administrator title, but in the real world not all baronial titles are counted as titles of nobility. In the UK, Scottish feudal barons only have titles related to land ownership, and are not counted among the British peerage unless they also hold a higher title, and Baronets are really just a sort of hereditary knight, and are likewise not technically nobles (though some of them are, I'm sure, not only wealthy and influential but quite nice people.) —Silly Dan (talk) 22:31, 20 November 2006 (UTC)

Well, that's just the thing. If you want to utilize real-world comparisons (as I did earlier), then the very definition of both "nobility" and "noble" are both applicable to Lando Calrissian. Social status by birth hardly encompasses those two terms. But, Imp didn't accept that. Hobbie911 09:05, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

  • I'm going to remove that "Nobility" category now, seeing as you haven't presented any canon evidence that establishes him as such. Should you find a source for your claim, feel free to re-add it. --Imp 13:15, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

ReminderEdit

Remember, there is a preview button that you can use when working on a large article, and instead of editing each section in a list of things, click edit at the top of the page. -- Riffsyphon1024 08:18, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

  • Roger. Hobbie911 08:19, 3 January 2007 (UTC)

InfernoEdit

  • Hey, I was just curious: What part of Inferno was Danni Quee mentioned in? I just read the book and don't recall that all . . . and I'm a fan of the character. Thanks. Atarumaster88 Jedi Order (Talk page) 02:30, 30 August 2007 (UTC)
    • She's mentioned as one of the individuals Jacen has been muttering about in his sleep. Jacen asks SD-XX if he revealed his daughter's name to which SD-XX says "Yes, she has many names: Jaina, Danni, Anni.." Hobbie911 19:21, 30 August 2007 (UTC)

Spoilers Edit

Hey Hobbie, just a quick reminder to remember to put {{eras}} tags on articles you create, and more importantly, to put the {{Majorspoiler}} template on articles containing spoilers from new sources, such as Yantahar Bwua'tu. Thanks. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 23:49, December 1, 2010 (UTC)

Inuse Edit

Hey Hobbie, while your addition to the appearances section of Fate of the Jedi: Vortex is appreciated, please note that the article is currently {{inuse}}, and it is requested politely that you do not edit the article while it is so, so as to avoid edit conflicts. Thank you. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 01:10, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

  • No problem. Also please remember to sign your posts by typing four tildes, like so: ~~~~. Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 01:15, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Refs Edit

Hey Hobbie, I saw this edit, and thought I'd give you a heads-up that the {{Ref}} template is actually used just in the infobox. When you're adding refs outside the infobox, you don't have to use it. Keep up the good work on updating Vortex articles! :) Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 20:45, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

  • No problem, it's good to see you becoming involved in article writing. If you have any questions on anything, don't hesitate to ask. Cheers, Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 20:51, December 2, 2010 (UTC)
    • Hey, just another heads-up about refs: we don't actually use any refs in the introduction of articles, with the reason being that everything that is covered in the intro should also be covered somewhere in the main body, where we do use refs. (For more info on referencing, check out WP:S.) And for writing articles in general, I'd really suggest checking out more of Wookieepedia's policies, particularly the manual of style, layout guide, and attribution guidelines; they'll really help you get more knowledgeable about the writing process here. :) Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 23:07, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Re: Turi Altamik Edit

No problem, go for it! Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 23:33, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

  • Hey, checked out your edits to Turi, and one thing to watch for is POV—the point of view. You made a note of things taking a turn for the worse, btu remember that we're supposed to write objectively, from a neutral point of view. Another two quick pointers: when breaking up sections, always remember to repair the newly-missing references, and also remember that after referring to a charcter for the first time, always use the last name of that character—unless you're dealing with multiple characters with the same last name. Keep up the hard work! Jonjedigrandmaster (Talk) 23:56, December 2, 2010 (UTC)

Talk pages Edit

Please do not remove content from your talk page. This is done so that discussions remain part of the public record. If you don't want to see talk discussions anymore, you may archive them. Toprawa and Ralltiir 00:13, December 3, 2010 (UTC)

Profile Edit

Hi Hobbie911! To keep your profile less messy, I suggest using a user infobox to keep your info in. To see how it looks, check out my user page. Hope I helped! Talrrivanian 17:55, May 25, 2011 (UTC)

Inuse Edit

While your edit is appreciated, the page you just edited currently has a template called {{Inuse}} at the top. This template means that someone is currently working on improving the article, and to avoid edit conflicts, no one other than the placer of the template should edit the page while the message is visible. Thank you for your cooperation. JangFett (Talk) 00:40, November 5, 2011 (UTC)

TOR in "Appearances" Edit

Hey Hobbie! Please note that in the "Appearances" section of articles you should put Star Wars: The Old Republic instead of The Old Republic, since the former is the full name of the game and you shouldn't create redirects instead of full article names. Thank you. Imperators II(Talk) 21:13, December 3, 2011 (UTC)

Aaris III in TOR Edit

Hey Hobbie; you recently added TOR to the appearances list for Aaris III and I was wondering what information is presented in the game regarding the planet. As Aaris III is an article I took to Featured status, I need to keep it updated through all releases. If you could provide me with said information, then I would be very grateful. Thanks in advance, - Cavalier OneFarStar(Squadron channel) 20:09, December 4, 2011 (UTC)

Zygerrians in TOR Edit

Hey Hobbie. I have a similar request to Cav's above. What does TOR say about the Zygerrians? I'm struggling to preserve the article's featured status, and your help with the TOR info would be much appreciated. QuiGonJinn Senate seal(Talk) 14:32, December 21, 2011 (UTC)

Tempest Feud Edit

Hi, I just thought you should know that Tempest Feud should be included in articles as an "Appearance," rather than as a "Source," because it is a linear role-playing adventure with a chronological setting. I appreciate that many articles do treat it as a source and not as an appearance, but they are incorrect. If you have any questions, please leave a message on my talk page. Cheers. --Jinzler 19:23, May 28, 2012 (UTC)

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