Welcome, Ralok![edit source]

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Warning[edit source]

Do not remove posts from talk pages, whether they belong to you or not. Likewise, your original user name has been banned from editing. You only get one username. Toprawa and Ralltiir 05:13, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

wait that hardly seems fair Ralok 15:05, 1 November 2008 (UTC)

Your forum post[edit source]

Your forum post, being a question about this wiki rather than a question on Star Wars, has been moved to Forum:Senate Hall under Forum:SH:why are these here. Cheers, —Silly Dan (talk) 21:11, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

Talk pages[edit source]

Thanks for contributing to Wookieepedia! Before posting talk page comments, please familiarize yourself with the disclaimer at the top of talk pages, {{Talkheader}}. Talk pages are for discussion relating to changes to the article, not for a discussion about the topic in question. Thank you. CC756 7 (talk) 08:06, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

  • sorry, my bad which talk page did i screw up on exactly? or has it been all of them. ralok 08:10, September 25, 2010 (UTC)
    • Talk:New Mandalorians and the now-deleted talk page for "Sphere of Influence"—while the comments should not be deleted now, as they are part of the public record, please try to avoid similar violations of policy in the future. Thank you. CC7567 (talk) 08:12, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

i got it, i will try and keep myself from making those mistakes in the future. ralok 08:14, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

  • Please note that your comment on Talk:The Clone Wars: Season Three was also in violation of {{Talkheader}} and has been removed. Talk pages are to be used for discussion on changes to articles, not for discussion about articles' subjects. Please take the time to review the policy before continuing to contribute. Thank you. CC7567 (talk) 08:24, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

one person says there is a contradiction in canon, and i say there is not . . . that is a violation? ralok 08:28, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

im gonna review this policy now ralok 08:28, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

  • There is nothing to discuss if a potential change to the article is not being discussed. Any discussion about an article's subject instead of the article itself qualifies as a violation of the policy. CC7567 (talk) 08:33, September 25, 2010 (UTC)

Hey[edit source]

Can't escape from me Ralok ha ha. I've gone to this wiki tons of times before but never really started editing this is only my 5th ah well I'll catch up.Sniperteam82308 13:03, September 28, 2010 (UTC)

RE:back off[edit source]

I didn't edit the content of your comments. I left in the ellipses. I simply changed the ". . ." to "& hellip;". This is the wikicode for an ellipsis and is what you're supposed to use for those. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo.png 02:11, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

  • Oh, I'm sorry. I looked it up again and saw I changed it to "& mdash;" by mistake. I use that one far more frequently. NaruHina Talk Anakinsolo.png 02:19, August 18, 2012 (UTC)

Sith[edit source]

I have the book as well, and you're still editing through an in-use template. Beyond that, you're removing sourced information, writing in present tense, and adding information about other species in the slave caste that does not belong in an article on the Sith species. Herglics, Humans, and Mrlssi are not members of the Sith species, so they do not belong in that article. The Grotthu caste is a division of the species itself, though members of conquered species were later referred to as Grotthu because they were also slaves. Cade Calrayn StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg 04:29, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

No it is not, Grotthu specifically refers to the mixed-species of slaves in the sith empire!!! you have no proof that it started as a name for a sith biological caste, the term has only been used to refer to all sith slaves collectively with no regard to species, and never specifically for red sith. Also the book definitly states that the native sith have skin ranging from crimson to obsidian. ralok (talk) 04:32, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
also the idea that "it has a number at the end, therefore it is canon" is stupid. I have checked the sources and they do not support the information that was placed on the page. ralok (talk) 04:33, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Let me break it down, none of those "sources" used the word Grotthu, they only showed red sith slaves. Nor were thoses red sith slaves specified as an independent caste (they could have been slaves from members of the other castes). Everything you are saying, and that I removed was rampant speculation. As Grotthu is never demonstrated in any context as being used to refer to red sith of any kind. ralok (talk) 04:38, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Administrative warning: Talk pages[edit source]

Ralok, you've been warned time and time again to only post appropriate discussion items on talk pages. Now, I am giving you one more chance. Follow the {{Talkheader}} template, or you will be blocked for disruption and failure to follow the rules. Consider this your final warning.—Cal JediInfinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 15:21, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

woah dude, sorry about that it is easy to forget , that last instance i just needed to know something (the shown details of it shows that it probably isnt canon BTW). ralok (talk) 15:35, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
and often the line between discussing the content and the page is blurry, people tend to think I am discussing the content though for some reason. Assume I am doing wrong when there is no proof i am doing right I guess??? And it is kind of a jerk move to block osmeone who has no malicious intent dont oyu think? I am not here to cause trouble, or to insult, or to edit other peoples comments (or jump on them because they were warned about something a long time ago). I am just here to make this place . . . better, like it or not. ralok (talk) 15:42, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
We block someone if they go against the rules, malicious or not. If you want to make this place better, fine. But you have to do it by the rules, not by whatever way you think you can do it by yourself. If you can make things better, great. But realize that if you don't follow the rules and admins' warnings, you will be blocked.—Cal JediInfinite Empire.svg (Personal Comm Channel) 15:51, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
so you and other administrators refuse to distinguish between good people, and outright malicious people because the rules are what determine their moral alignment and not their behaviour??? This is real life dude, seriously you would treat a good person as badly as you treat a troll just because of mistakes that good person made? have you ever considered that this is highly narrow minded? Maybe this is how I should make things better, by challenging the effectiveness of these rules and how they work. They arent the word of god you know, those rules were written by someone and can always be changed. ralok (talk) 15:56, August 30, 2012 (UTC)
Whatever, I have better stuff to do right now, more book of the sith content to go through, things to scan. and my wife needs me - _ - lets drop this, I get the point "no more breaking the rules" ralok (talk) 16:05, August 30, 2012 (UTC)

Re: Sith Castes[edit source]

Hey Ralok. Sorry I haven't been able to get to you sooner, I have been extremely busy and stressed over the last few months, as a result my editting frequency has not been what I would like. Since I began editting the article I have been checking every single source that has ever referred to the Sith species, and have been writing the history section to accurately represent their history. The caste and culture section in general is the same as it was when I started editting the article, and was generally correct at the time. This year a lot of information has come out regarding Sith, and I have all of them. These new things have added and altered information that was already there. It is taking me a while in my situation however to compile all of these and make accurate edits. In other words, it's hard to edit at the rate things are coming out at the moment, which is why a lot of things are not quite 100% up to date. I assure you that I will address the problems like you mentioned, and there are many others. So I'm sorry about that, but yeah, with everything coming out so fast it's hard to add things and make sense of everything. To be honest, I haven't even touched on the castes, I have only been focusing on history and biology... but now both are out of date again. I have huge plans for the castes section (and the Society section in general), all redirecting to the main article for each Sith caste etc.

My email is jacob.blokland@gmail.com if you want to contact me and we can discuss things further if you'd like. As for Grotthu thing, I don't have Book of Sith in front of me right now, but I will be able to get back to you soon once I read exactly what it does say about them and compare it with other sources. However, Book of Sith was the first to ever mention the name, and I have a feeling that somewhere (not in the book, but an author quote) it was mentioned that Sith Engineer and Slave castes would be named in the book, and thus people have jumped to Grotthu being this caste—consisting of Red Sith and other species. However, I am not 100% confident of my memory there, and I will be getting back to you within the next couple days. Thanks!! Obi–wan Jacobi Jedi Symbol Dark Chrome.JPG (Talk) 13:00, September 1, 2012 (UTC)

  • OK, so what we have related to this on the Sith slave caste/caste etc is that "In times long past, the Sith race proved malleable… splitting into a meek and servile slave class… an intelligent and nimble engineer class…". Obviously, what we take from this is that there are Red Sith slaves. It is made very clear in Funeral for a Dark Lord, Fabric of an Empire and Pawns of a Sith Lord that Red Sith slaves exist, and are treated as absolute worthless scum. As these comics came out before the whole "we now have human and alien slaves in the Empire" thing, all Sith slaves are Red Sith. And then there's the part about Grotthu in Book of Sith, where it is not mentioned anywhere that Grotthu include or disclude Red Sith—as you said, just that it's made of mixed species groups. The Endnotes for Book of Sith say "p. 21: The Sith caste system has existed for a long time, but until now we only knew the names of the priest caste (the Kissai) and the warrior caste (the Massassi). The names for the engineer caste (the Zuguruk) and the slave caste (Grotthu) are new" (http://geekosity.blogspot.co.nz/2012/03/endnotes-for-star-wars-book-of-sith.html). This fits in with the quote I have at the beginning here, from Pawns of a Sith Lord. I think the connection of the Red Sith slaves being part of the Grotthu caste comes easily to many people because there was a Slave caste with Red Sith in it before and there is no reason to assume that the only now-known Slave caste with a Sith name with many species in it wouldn't include Red Sith. Thus it is likely presumed that Red Sith slaves are part of Grotthu and not their own special class/subclass. It is not stated specifically that they are the same, but to have it any other way is not logical in terms of previous canon, though it would still work.Book of Sith was also written from an in-universe point of view and the authors can't get too specific with things either (or they can't expand on things as easily in future titles or it takes away from easiness to read etc). So we are not told that Red Sith slaves are in the Grotthu caste, for the same reason we are not told that they are not in the Grotthu caste, if you get what I mean there.

In summary, the term Grotthu is never properly applied to Red Sith slaves from the Golden Age of the Sith comics because the word did not exist, however it is made apparent that Red Sith slaves do exist in a Slave caste. Book of Sith gave the Slave caste a Sith name: Grotthu, and accommodated for new information about the Sith Empire having multiple species in the Slave caste. Thus, taking everything into consideration Grotthu=Sith slave caste consisting of Red Sith slaves and multi-alien species slaves. I have a feeling we agree on this point, by looking through some of your talk page comments. I do not feel I have explained what I mean to say properly however, but I will await your response. Obi–wan Jacobi Jedi Symbol Dark Chrome.JPG (Talk) 04:37, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

I think we agree for the most part, I and osme other users have already made the necessary modifications to the page to accomodate the information. Under the sith castes it is simply listed as slaves, and talks about all the slaves found within the sith emprie and what the term grotthu means! I think the current info on the page is as accurate as is possible. ralok (talk) 04:55, September 4, 2012 (UTC)

Re:heck man[edit source]

My mistake for inserting the wrong deletion summary, but I'm not going to undelete it. Please take a look at Rule 11 of the Knowledge Bank. Widely known EU species will be comprehensive, such as the Chiss article. JangFett (Talk) 20:00, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

  • "and in order to get the information I need, I would have to go through every single page, read the whole page, and gauge the value of hte information" Exactly. :P JangFett (Talk) 20:24, June 26, 2014 (UTC)
    • Returning to repost the KB forum after a month of absence won't help you out at all, Ralok. I have already given you information on how to find Legends species. Ignore any species that were in the films, TCW, Rebels, and other canonical sources. JangFett (Talk) 13:54, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
      • Let me get this straight... your recommendation is to read every single article on alien species, and to carefully figure out which have been in canon sources and which havent... I have been over this already, and you dont seem to get the problem with this. I am not a fat f***ing loser with nothing to do all day sitting on my ass doing nothing, I have a job... I have a wife... I have children... what I do not have is 40+ hours in the week to mess around doing something because your wiki is too lazy to properly seperate the canonical and non-canonical information. ralok (talk) 14:41, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
        • No, I understand that, as you mentioned it to another administrator. You don't have to read every single thing, Ralok. If you're familiar with Star Wars, then you should know to exclude Human, Twi'lek, Ithorian, or any canonical appearing specie. What's left, of course, is the rest. Take a look at Category:Sentient species. If you want someone to actually write down a huge list for you, then that will never happen, I'm afraid. You want someone else to do the work for you, correct? JangFett (Talk) 14:48, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
          • What I would like honestly, is the non-canonical races to be sorted into a category called "Sentient Species/Legends" and the non-canon stuff to never be in the same category as teh canon stuff. But because your wiki has decided not to do that for... reasons... I have found it extremely difficult to get proper information. ralok (talk) 14:52, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
            • I see your concern then, but remember that all canonical articles with the same legends name will have "/Canon" in the article title. I.e, Human. I guarantee that it will be easy for you to sort out canon and legends. If this does not work out for you, then I recommend starting a new SH forum, detailing this issue. Do not ask for a list of species there (because it will be deleted), but instead highlight the difficulty of sorting out canon and legends species. Please keep in mind WP:CIVIL when discussing your concerns there. JangFett (Talk) 15:00, July 21, 2014 (UTC)
              • No its not a concern, its a very real and very obvious problem. You realize that you are putting the canon, the real information, into a special namespace and keeping the legends stuff on the forefront right? I will use Darth Maul as an example, if I type Darth Maul into this wikis search engine or any search engine on the internet I am delivered teh page with non-canonical information... because teh canon page is in the special namespace, and not the legends page. All legends articles should be in a /legends thing, not the other way around. By the way, I started a thread about this very subject, and I got yelled at by literally everyone... ralok (talk) 15:06, July 21, 2014 (UTC)

Check yourself[edit source]

Before you wreck yourself. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:41, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

Blocked[edit source]

Dialog-error.svg You have been blocked from editing for 3 days to give you an opportunity to cool down. Wookieepedia has had its fill of your forum ranting over the past week, and now you've delved into the realm of personal attacks, which will not be tolerated. If you decide to return to editing once this block expires, you will need to behave in a civil and restrained manner, or I can promise you the next block will be significantly longer in duration. To contest this block, please contact the blocking administrator with the reason you believe the block is unjustified. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 20:51, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

Friendly ear[edit source]

When your block is up, hit me up on my talk page if you still want to contribute. I think I understand your point of view regarding things like Canon vs. Legends coming up first and Lego/other tabs and if you want a friendlier forum to field your ideas before going back to the Senate hall, I'm here for you. --praguepride (Talk) 23:09, June 26, 2014 (UTC)

Ancient droid KB[edit source]

In regards to this, you were actually the one to move someone else's comment. Praguepride wasn't responding to you, but to Firstdrellspectre's comment, so moved his comment to it's intended place. No one "moved" your comment. Trip391 (talk) 05:48, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

  • 1. Then why did you respond to the general question of the TC? 2. Pragupride was not responding to you, but to Firstdrellspectre, and meant to place his comment there. Trip391 (talk) 05:52, August 8, 2014 (UTC)
    • Actually you should be following the bullet points when reading. You are the one who is moving Prague's response away from where he placed it. No one is being rude to you, and you should not be moving his comment away from where he placed it. Trip391 (talk) 05:59, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Messages[edit source]

Please stop moving Prague's comment on the Ancient droid forum. He responded to that one comment in particular, therefore his reply goes directly beneath it. Supreme Emperor (talk) 05:59, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

  • That is not how it works. He replied to one comment in particular, not the thread as a whole. If you continue to move it, you may face a block for disruption. Supreme Emperor (talk) 06:02, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

Blocked[edit source]

Dialog-error.svg You have been blocked from editing for 2 weeks due to your personal attacks against the administration here and your violation of the three-revert rule. Name-calling and other personal attacks are not the way to change Wookieepedia. The community has already voted on the Legends/Canon situation and has formed consensus on the current layout. If you decide to return to editing Wookieepedia after your block expires, you should behave in a civil manner and heed the various policies that have been put in place by the community.. To contest this block, please contact the blocking administrator with the reason you believe the block is unjustified. --Exiled Jedi Oldrepublic crest.svg (Greetings) 06:20, August 8, 2014 (UTC)

  • I'm quite honestly too tired to deal with this at the moment, but I do need to tell you that your seemingly unchanging problem is your overwhelmingly hostile attitude. Your attacks upon Yashuvooo Sommin were unnecessary, and your retorts to me were as well. If you would like to continue to contribute to our encyclopedia—and by contributing I mean more than just ranting on our talk pages—then I'd strongly suggest you refrain from speaking/posting talk page posts to anyone for quite some time until you are willing to communicate in a pleasant manner, and try instead to contribute to our site's articles, for example. Also, it's spelled "nonsense". Cade StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg Calrayn 05:24, March 30, 2015 (UTC)

Ezra Journal[edit source]

Just out of curiosity, would you consider Star Wars Rebels: Rebel Journal by Ezra Bridger a reference book or a story book? --Dentface (talk) 19:26, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

  • Cool, thanks for the info. :) --Dentface (talk) 19:34, November 2, 2014 (UTC)

Warning[edit source]

The next time you tell someone to not edit our wiki, I'm going to block you for a very long time. You've been warned about your attitude and behavior multiple times now. This is the last thing I'm going to say about this. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 19:16, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Images[edit source]

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Re: PS4 share[edit source]

Sounds neat, maybe whenever I got one. Right now I still have just PlayStation 3. ProfessorTofty (talk) 20:59, November 8, 2014 (UTC)

Quermian[edit source]

Confirmed in THE JEDI COUNCIL: MEET THE MASTERS article on Starwars.com. - AV-6R7User talk:AV-6R7 04:56, December 13, 2014 (UTC)

Re:Yashuvoo[edit source]

If you insist on treating someone like they're an imbecile—and that's exactly how you have been interacting with Yashuvoo—they're bound to be hostile, so drop the negative attitude. You seem incapable of interacting with someone in a positive manner. Yes, Yashuvoo has some strange theories, which is why I asked him what he was talking about on the talk page before you hijacked it and turned it into a rant against this other user. If you wish to help, then stop trying to call other people out on talk pages, and leave that to the administrators. Your comments are already on the edge of being personal attacks, and calling for other users to be blocked is a serious breach of Wookieepedia:Civility. Cade StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg Calrayn 22:34, April 20, 2015 (UTC)

  • From what I can see, Yashuvoo respected the designation of Matukai as a Featured Article and asked for other users to contribute and weigh in on his findings, and for the Dervish talk page, he's made no effort to actually change any of the content in the mainspace. Please, drop this and let the administrators handle it, or you will almost certainly receive a cooldown block. Cade StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg Calrayn 22:41, April 20, 2015 (UTC)
    • Seriously? You were given a cooldown ban for this exact thing, and yet you go right back at it with him. You even acknowledged the fact that you should be leaving him alone in your messages to him, so do it. Cade StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg Calrayn 13:02, May 26, 2015 (UTC)

Enough[edit source]

Dialog-error.svg You have been blocked from editing for for repeated harassment of other users, calling for blocks, and general incivility. This farce has gone on enough; if or when you come back, leave other users alone and stop attacking them, and I'd strongly suggest you stay entirely off talk pages. Otherwise, the next block will probably be permanent.. To contest this block, please contact the blocking administrator with the reason you believe the block is unjustified. Cade StupidRepublicEmblem-Traced-TORkit.svg Calrayn 22:50, April 20, 2015 (UTC)

When speaking to others[edit source]

Hi Ralok. When speaking to other users, particularly new ones who may not be familiar with how Wookieepedia works, please remember to keep your comments constructive, helpful, and respectful. Comments like this don't help anyone. You didn't point your fellow contributor in the right direction, nor did you seek to find out whether they may have found a source or if it was just their own ideas. That doesn't help a person learn. It only serves to criticize—and criticism without a constructive element to it is just a negative comment. I know you've been warned about and blocked for how you treat other users before, and I wouldn't want to see that happen again, so this is an important thing to keep in mind. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! - Brandon Rhea(talk) 03:15, April 4, 2016 (UTC)

  • Fair enough! As long as everything he needs to know has been constructively explained elsewhere, I have no further concerns about the comment. Thanks for taking the time to reply. - Brandon Rhea(talk) 03:31, April 4, 2016 (UTC)
    • again I am sorry, I am trying to get better at treating people better... it is a bit of an uphill climb... ralok (talk) 03:37, April 4, 2016 (UTC)
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