[21:36:46] <MasterFred> Welcome to Meeting 113, gents.
[21:37:05] <MasterFred> We shall begin with the old.
[21:37:28] <MasterFred> Everyone is at their keyboards, correct? :P
[21:37:34] <Toprawa> Yes :P
[21:37:53] <MasterFred>
[21:37:53] <Ayrehead02> Yup
[21:37:59] <MasterFred>
[21:38:04] <MasterFred>
[21:38:10] <MasterFred> no change
[21:38:11] <MasterFred> kill
[21:38:13] <Toprawa> Kill
[21:38:17] <Ayrehead02> Kill
[21:38:23] <Toprawa> All my votes carry 4x the power, btw :P
[21:38:29] <MasterFred> Ambush on Tatooine killed.
[21:38:36] <MasterFred> Thanks for the reminder that I'm worthless. XD
[21:38:46] <Ayrehead02> Yeah why are me and Fred even here :P
[21:38:55] <MasterFred> ^
[21:38:59] <Toprawa> Well, you could derail stuff
[21:38:59] <MasterFred>
[21:39:06] <MasterFred>
[21:39:08] <Toprawa> You just need 2 votes to prevent something from being killed :P
[21:39:13] <MasterFred>
[21:39:24] <MasterFred> no change, kill
[21:39:26] <Ayrehead02> Kill
[21:39:28] <Toprawa> Kill⁴
[21:39:42] <MasterFred> Betty White, I mean, Bettie-Bot VJ killed
[21:39:46] <Toprawa> Fred, you actually have twice the voting power
[21:40:02] <Toprawa> My powers are still doubled since the last time we meet, but it's something :P
[21:40:07] <MasterFred> oman
[21:40:13] <Toprawa> met*
[21:40:15] <MasterFred> I have worth!
[21:40:22] <Ayrehead02> :(
[21:40:30] <MasterFred> poor
[21:40:31] <MasterFred>
[21:40:36] <MasterFred>
[21:40:40] <MasterFred>
[21:40:47] <MasterFred> no change, kill
[21:40:51] <Toprawa> Kill⁴
[21:40:58] <MasterFred> XD
[21:41:00] <Ayrehead02> Kill
[21:41:12] <MasterFred> Fi'lang killed
[21:41:25] <MasterFred>
[21:41:29] <MasterFred>
[21:41:33] <MasterFred>
[21:41:37] <Ayrehead02> Kill
[21:41:39] <MasterFred> no change, kill
[21:41:42] <Toprawa> Kill⁴
[21:41:52] <MasterFred> Ikvizi killed
[21:42:05] <MasterFred>
[21:42:09] <MasterFred>
[21:42:13] <MasterFred>
[21:42:19] <MasterFred> no change, kill
[21:42:22] <Toprawa> Kill⁴
[21:42:23] <Ayrehead02> Kill
[21:42:30] <MasterFred> Kadir killed
[21:42:40] <MasterFred>
[21:42:44] <MasterFred>
[21:42:47] <MasterFred>
[21:42:51] <Ayrehead02> Kill
[21:42:54] <MasterFred> no change kill
[21:42:59] <Toprawa> Kill⁴
[21:43:05] <MasterFred> This is one efficient slaughter.
[21:43:19] <MasterFred>
[21:43:24] <MasterFred>
[21:43:25] <Toprawa> <s>laughter
[21:43:31] <MasterFred>
[21:43:33] <Ayrehead02> Kill
[21:43:38] <MasterFred> kill
[21:43:41] <Toprawa> Kill⁴
[21:43:48] <Ayrehead02> I like to think I have a pistol, Fred has a rocket launcher and Tope has a nuke
[21:43:50] <MasterFred> Bushman Krentz killed
[21:44:05] <MasterFred> nah you have a pencil for stabbing
[21:44:05] <Toprawa> More precisely, I have a button that pushes a nuke :P
[21:44:31] <MasterFred>
[21:44:35] <MasterFred>
[21:44:39] <MasterFred>
[21:44:43] <MasterFred> no change
[21:44:44] <MasterFred> kill
[21:44:45] <Toprawa> Kill⁴
[21:44:46] <Ayrehead02> Kill
[21:44:48] <Ayrehead02> You have the 4 ignition keys :P
[21:45:03] <MasterFred> Bosbit Matarcher killed
[21:45:04] <Toprawa> I had my electrician wire them all into one button before the meeting :P
[21:45:17] <Ayrehead02> efficient
[21:45:19] <MasterFred>
[21:45:23] <MasterFred>
[21:45:26] <MasterFred>
[21:45:46] <Ayrehead02> Kill
[21:45:47] <MasterFred> Changes not relevant to the objections
[21:45:48] <MasterFred> kill
[21:45:51] <Toprawa> Kill⁴
[21:46:04] <MasterFred> Merumeru's battle staff killed
[21:46:15] <MasterFred>
[21:46:18] <MasterFred>
[21:46:21] <MasterFred>
[21:46:26] <MasterFred> no change kill
[21:46:31] <Ayrehead02> Kill
[21:46:51] <Toprawa> Kill⁴
[21:47:01] <MasterFred> Redeemer killed
[21:47:15] <MasterFred>
[21:47:18] <MasterFred>
[21:47:22] <MasterFred>
[21:47:27] <MasterFred> no change kill
[21:47:29] <Ayrehead02> Kill
[21:47:30] <Toprawa> Kill⁴
[21:47:37] <MasterFred> Torktarak killed
[21:47:38] <MasterFred> whew
[21:47:40] <MasterFred> man
[21:47:48] <Toprawa> DO GUD DETH
[21:47:48] <MasterFred> That was quick but brutal
[21:48:04] <MasterFred> Now onto new stuff
[21:48:49] <MasterFred>
[21:48:57] <MasterFred> after removing some unnecessary fluff, the article's below 250 words again. Imperators II(Talk) 21:56, January 28, 2019 (UTC)
[21:49:26] <MasterFred> I actually don't remember our procedure for this.
[21:49:36] <MasterFred> Do we probe and then kill next meeting, or what?
[21:49:51] <Ayrehead02> Is it the same as CAs that go over 250?
[21:49:53] <Toprawa> There is no circumstance where we outright kill something
[21:50:08] <Toprawa> We probe it. It technically has the chance to return to 250 words by next meeting.
[21:50:16] <Ayrehead02> Sure
[21:50:17] <Ayrehead02> Probe
[21:50:24] <Toprawa> Probe⁴
[21:50:33] <MasterFred> Fair, probe
[21:50:40] <MasterFred> Alchenaut probed
[21:50:53] <MasterFred>
[21:51:06] <MasterFred> BTS unsourced
[21:51:06] <MasterFred> Reference 4 needs to use CSWECite
[21:51:06] <MasterFred> The AgriCorps recommends removing the page numbers from reference 5 as unnecessary and for uniformity
[21:51:06] <MasterFred> Remove link to Tyionsis Cex in quote caption
[21:51:06] <MasterFred> It would appear "What's In A Name" requires {{1st}} in the Appearances section
[21:51:07] <MasterFred> There are quite a few places in the article where double in-line reference notes are used, and I'm not really sure why this is necessary. If those sentences contain information from multiple sources, then the ref notes need to be placed accordingly, not just dropped in at the end of the sentence. Otherwise, they can just be removed if they're not needed. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 08:14, February 1, 2019 (UTC)
[21:51:19] <Toprawa> Probe⁴
[21:51:23] <MasterFred> probeth
[21:51:31] <Ayrehead02> Probe
[21:51:44] <MasterFred> Srrors'tok probed
[21:51:55] <MasterFred>
[21:52:02] <MasterFred> BTS unsourced
[21:52:02] <MasterFred> The guy is wearing sunglasses or something. Surely that's notable enough to be mentioned in the article?
[21:52:02] <MasterFred> "Sometime after the Battle of Yavin" (intro) and "Shortly after the Battle of Yavin" (Biography) are not exactly synonymous. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:36, February 9, 2019 (UTC)
[21:52:10] <Toprawa> Probe⁴
[21:52:13] <MasterFred> probe
[21:52:22] <Ayrehead02> Probe
[21:52:34] <MasterFred> Those graphics, man.
[21:52:41] <Ayrehead02> Good News everyone
[21:52:43] <MasterFred> Farnsworth probed
[21:52:46] <MasterFred> oh?
[21:53:08] <Ayrehead02> I'm just quoting Farsnworth from Futurama :P
[21:53:19] <Toprawa> I got it :P
[21:53:35] <MasterFred> lololol
[21:53:47] * MasterFred makes hand swoosh over his head.
[21:53:55] <MasterFred> Aaaaaannnnnd onward
[21:54:04] <Toprawa> heh smh
[21:54:08] <MasterFred>
[21:54:15] <MasterFred> BTS unsourced. Just remove the CSWE entry part.
[21:54:15] <MasterFred> In the Bio, we evidently have a specific time frame for what year those post-war events happen, which should be mentioned.
[21:54:15] <MasterFred> "RC-5093 was one of the best soldiers in the galaxy, trained for covert infiltration, sabotage, demolition, and assassination." This is sourced to Star Wars: Republic Commando, which this character doesn't even appear in. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:36, February 9, 2019 (UTC)
[21:54:25] <Toprawa> Probe⁴
[21:54:29] <MasterFred> probe
[21:54:58] <Ayrehead02> Probe
[21:55:18] <MasterFred> RC Cola, I mean RC-5093 probed
[21:55:23] <Toprawa> heh
[21:55:38] <MasterFred>
[21:55:45] <MasterFred> BTS unsourced. The first-paragraph sentence about the CSWE entry is pointless and should be removed.
[21:55:45] <MasterFred> References 2 and 4 can just be combined, and there's no reason to not use the full name of the comic issue in that link.
[21:55:45] <MasterFred> Sources list needs to either use CSWECite or introduce {{ID}}
[21:55:45] <MasterFred> 0 ABY date cannot be sourced to the comic
[21:55:45] <MasterFred> I'd like to see the BTS mention the comic author, illustrator, and full publication date.
[21:55:45] <MasterFred> "However, the 233rd's The Complete Star Wars Encyclopedia entry states that the 233rd was a fighter group, made of about three squadrons." The italicized portion of this sentence is simply incorrect; CSWE does not state this.
[21:55:45] <MasterFred> "For consistency, this article assumes that the 233rd was a fighter wing, not a fighter group." For consistency? Since it's obviously a continuity error, let's address it as such and specify that the article is treating it as an error. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:36, February 9, 2019 (UTC)
[21:55:50] <MasterFred> Tope, you destroyed this one
[21:55:53] <MasterFred> and probe
[21:55:56] <Ayrehead02> Probe
[21:56:04] <Toprawa> I really wanted to compel a name change to the CSWE name
[21:56:14] <Toprawa> But he's right that a wing is different from a group
[21:56:21] <Toprawa> Probe⁴
[21:56:22] <Ayrehead02> Probe
[21:57:05] <MasterFred> ah
[21:57:11] <MasterFred> well, 233rd probed
[21:57:13] <Ayrehead02> If I vote twice am I equal to Fred?
[21:57:20] <MasterFred> Nope
[21:57:23] <Ayrehead02> Damn
[21:57:29] <Toprawa> No, but it's important to have dreams :P
[21:57:30] <MasterFred> Just breaking the rules. lol
[21:57:37] <MasterFred> ^
[21:57:44] <MasterFred> Even if they are unattainable.
[21:58:03] <MasterFred>
[21:58:09] <MasterFred> BTS unsourced
[21:58:09] <MasterFred> Fix redirects
[21:58:09] <MasterFred> Article body image caption is kind of weak
[21:58:09] <MasterFred> Wookiees wearing clothing and jewelry is fairly unique. This should be mentioned in the P/T. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:36, February 9, 2019 (UTC)
[21:58:19] <Toprawa> Probe⁴
[21:58:25] <Ayrehead02> Probe
[21:58:25] <MasterFred> Probe
[21:58:35] <MasterFred> Athnalu probed
[21:58:50] <MasterFred> How are you getting superscript in IRC, Tope? lol
[21:58:54] <MasterFred> An alt command?
[21:59:00] <Toprawa> My powers are many.
[21:59:12] <MasterFred> :O
[21:59:26] <MasterFred>
[21:59:33] <MasterFred> BTS unsourced. The CSWE entry mention is pointless.
[21:59:33] <MasterFred> Ref 2 needs to use CSWECite
[21:59:33] <MasterFred> "In 19 BBY, the last year of the Clone Wars between the Republic and Separatists" cannot be sourced to the Databank.
[21:59:33] <MasterFred> "The fall of these outposts caused the Wookiees to raise an army" is sourced to ROTS. How is this possibly being extrapolated?
[21:59:33] <MasterFred> History could use a paragraph break. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:36, February 9, 2019 (UTC)
[21:59:39] <Toprawa> Probe⁴
[21:59:46] <MasterFred> Probe^2 lol
[21:59:55] <Ayrehead02> Probe
[22:00:08] <Toprawa> This is why Yoda said don't try
[22:00:14] <Toprawa> Because if you try and fail, it's embarrassing :P
[22:00:22] <MasterFred> Kahiyuk probed
[22:00:31] <MasterFred> I'm already an embarrassment, so can't hurt.
[22:00:44] <Toprawa> heh
[22:00:50] <MasterFred>
[22:00:53] <Toprawa> At least we're being honest with ourselves :P
[22:01:01] <MasterFred> BTS unsourced. CSWE entry sentence is pointless.
[22:01:01] <MasterFred> 22 BBY date cannot be sourced to the book. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:36, February 9, 2019 (UTC)
[22:01:08] <Toprawa> Probe⁴
[22:01:09] <Ayrehead02> Probe
[22:01:15] <MasterFred> probe
[22:01:38] <MasterFred> Cord-class starfighter probed
[22:01:54] <MasterFred>
[22:02:20] <MasterFred> BTS unsourced. It should also mention the year of publication for the original source.
[22:02:20] <MasterFred> The second sentence of the BTS is pointless.
[22:02:20] <MasterFred> Fix redirects
[22:02:20] <MasterFred> Format DB entry name correctly in ref 2
[22:02:20] <MasterFred> Reference 2 cannot be singularly used to reference the infobox info pertaining to Mas Amedda
[22:02:20] <MasterFred> I request confirmation that 19 BBY can truly be sourced to Order 66. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:36, February 9, 2019 (UTC)
[22:02:22] <Toprawa> Order 4 burritos pls
[22:02:27] <Ayrehead02> Probe
[22:02:29] <Toprawa> Probe⁴
[22:02:33] <MasterFred> beefy 5-layer pls
[22:02:36] <MasterFred> probe
[22:02:39] <MasterFred> Order 4 probed
[22:02:55] <MasterFred>
[22:03:02] <MasterFred> BTS unsourced
[22:03:02] <MasterFred> BTS needs to format things correctly. Second sentence is also pointless.
[22:03:02] <MasterFred> Reference 3 needs to format DB entry name correctly
[22:03:02] <MasterFred> Reference 9 needs to use citation template
[22:03:02] <MasterFred> In 99% of cases, the term "notable" is entirely an OOU construct we invent and apply to things. Unless something calls these individuals "notable" in-universe for having received this award, that term should be removed from the section title.
[22:03:03] <MasterFred> With a little paragraph breakage, I feel like those three images in the article body can alternate left-right alignment. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 04:36, February 9, 2019 (UTC)
[22:03:10] <MasterFred> probe
[22:03:14] <Toprawa> Probe⁴
[22:03:16] <Ayrehead02> Probe
[22:03:25] <Ayrehead02> Also shouldn't the images alternate?
[22:03:35] <MasterFred> Chancellor's Service Medal probed
[22:03:36] <Toprawa> Read the last item in that list :P
[22:03:44] <Ayrehead02> Oh woops sorry :P
[22:03:55] <MasterFred> This is why you get one vote. :P
[22:03:58] <Toprawa> XD
[22:04:03] <Ayrehead02> Fair
[22:04:06] <MasterFred> XD
[22:04:17] <MasterFred>
[22:04:24] <MasterFred> The application of Reference 2 in the infobox to source his death date is pretty lazy referencing. That will need a manual reference note explaining the rationale for arriving at that date, since Lassicar doesn't appear in that source.
[22:04:24] <MasterFred> Two redlinks.
[22:04:24] <MasterFred> The full release date for the game is not self-sourcing, nor is it probably necessary. If that was simply modified to say 2011, that should suffice without even needing to modify the referencing. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:32, February 17, 2019 (UTC)
[22:04:33] <Toprawa> Probe⁴
[22:04:38] <MasterFred> Lazy referencing is my favorite
[22:04:39] <MasterFred> probe
[22:04:47] <Ayrehead02> Probe
[22:04:53] <Ayrehead02> Also good shade on Cade :P
[22:04:58] <Toprawa> :3
[22:05:19] <MasterFred> This guy's chin scares me.
[22:05:26] <MasterFred> also, Lassicar probed
[22:05:33] <Toprawa> Every character model in that game is creepy looking
[22:05:40] <MasterFred>
[22:05:46] <MasterFred> That infobox image needs to be uploaded at higher quality
[22:05:46] <MasterFred> Just remove the unnecessary BTS sentence about being mentioned in CSWE
[22:05:46] <MasterFred> The middle subsection should be renamed to "The campaign". Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 01:07, February 18, 2019 (UTC)
[22:05:52] <Toprawa> Probe⁴
[22:05:57] <Ayrehead02> Probe
[22:06:13] <MasterFred> Your first objection is quite the understatement.
[22:06:14] <MasterFred> probe
[22:06:29] <Ayrehead02> How did that pass?
[22:06:32] <MasterFred> Five Veils Campaign probed
[22:07:04] <Toprawa> I noticed it when it was on the Main Page :|
[22:07:09] <MasterFred> with no objection at that
[22:07:26] <MasterFred>
[22:07:30] <MasterFred> Extensive expansion will need to go through Redux. Toprawa and Ralltiir (talk) 00:01, February 20, 2019 (UTC)
[22:07:39] <Toprawa> For reference:
[22:07:49] <Toprawa> about a 3k byte expansion
[22:07:53] <Ayrehead02> Redux
[22:08:02] <Toprawa> Redux⁴
[22:08:12] <MasterFred> Redux
[22:08:25] <MasterFred> I was about to link the specific edits, but the entire history works too XD
[22:08:29] <Toprawa> :D
[22:08:37] <MasterFred> Radanthus Mandelatara reduxed
[22:09:01] <MasterFred> Nothing in the maintenance bin
[22:09:11] <Toprawa> wow⁴
[22:09:18] <MasterFred> XDDD
[22:09:22] <MasterFred> Now for discussion.
[22:09:26] <MasterFred> Tope, you have the floor.
[22:09:54] <Toprawa> At the last Inqmoot, we agreed to capitalize the term "Redux" from now on in all instances, which I think makes sense
[22:10:01] <Toprawa> I propose doing the same for GA/AC purposes
[22:10:19] <Ayrehead02> Works for me
[22:10:20] <Ayrehead02> Support
[22:10:24] <Toprawa> Support⁴
[22:10:29] <MasterFred> Same. Support
[22:10:40] <MasterFred> I like capitalizing words. :D
[22:10:53] <Toprawa> Me Too⁴
[22:11:15] <MasterFred> Absentees leave their votes to Tope and I, so we are in unanimous support.
[22:11:30] <MasterFred> "redux" shall henceforth be "Redux"
[22:11:41] <MasterFred> Anyone have any other items of discussion?
[22:11:52] <Ayrehead02> Nope
[22:11:53] <Toprawa> Nope
[22:12:05] <MasterFred> That's a no from me, as well.
[22:12:09] <MasterFred> Now for duties
[22:12:19] <Toprawa> drumroll....
[22:12:33] <MasterFred> Imperators does paperwork
[22:12:43] <MasterFred> Ayrehead, you scheduled meeting 114
[22:12:47] <MasterFred> *schedule
[22:12:47] <Ayrehead02> Uh oh
[22:12:49] <Toprawa> YUSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSsssssssssssssssssssss
[22:12:59] <Ayrehead02> Better make sure I don't clash with the Educorps meeting
[22:13:01] <Toprawa> We escaped with OUR LIVES
[22:13:05] <Ayrehead02> Which I'm also scheduling
[22:13:09] <MasterFred> Barely
[22:13:15] <MasterFred> You gon be busy
[22:13:31] <MasterFred> Well, thanks for coming to the slaughter.
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