[18:05] <Graestan> First, those which were put on probation at last meeting.
[18:05] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Algae&diff=2264944&oldid=2263547
[18:05] <ChackJadson> Kill
[18:06] <Graestan> No real progress. Kill
[18:06] <Graestan> Tope?
[18:06] <Toprawa> Kill
[18:06] <Graestan> It's dead.
[18:06] <Graestan> Next up: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Arcona&oldid=2263550
[18:07] <Graestan> GAcleanup is the newest revision. Kill.
[18:07] <ChackJadson> Kill
[18:07] <Toprawa> ki
[18:07] <Graestan> And now: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Sarlacc&diff=2302102&oldid=2263556
[18:07] <Graestan> Kill.
[18:07] <Toprawa> k
[18:07] <ChackJadson> Kill it
[18:07] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Species&diff=2280284&oldid=2263558
[18:08] <Graestan> Kill. TBH, this article will never, ever make GA or FA.
[18:08] <ChackJadson> Kill
[18:08] <Toprawa> k
[18:08] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Ugor&oldid=2263561
[18:08] <Graestan> Kill.
[18:08] <Toprawa> k
[18:08] <ChackJadson> Kill
[18:09] <Graestan> And next: http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Verpine&diff=2299778&oldid=2263564
[18:09] <Toprawa> k
[18:09] <ChackJadson> Kill
[18:09] <Graestan> Kill.
[18:10] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=IG-100_MagnaGuard&diff=2297142&oldid=2263568
[18:10] <Toprawa> k
[18:10] <Graestan> Still a mess. Kill.
[18:10] <ChackJadson> kill
[18:10] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/index.php?title=Variable_Geometry_Self-Propelled_Battle_Droid%2C_Mark_I&diff=2297147&oldid=2263573
[18:10] <Graestan> The final probed one.
[18:11] <ChackJadson> kill
[18:11] <Toprawa> k
[18:11] <Graestan> Zero improvement.
[18:11] <Graestan> Kill.
[18:11] <Graestan> Hey, can we vote on new members before we continue?
[18:11] <ChackJadson> Let's
[18:12] <Graestan> I'll leave this portion of this stillborn meeting out of the log. :P
[18:12] <Graestan> (seriously, this is like the US Senate meeting on Thanksgiving)
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[18:16] <Graestan> So no to that.
[18:16] <Graestan> Welcome, Tranner.
[18:16] <GrandMoffTranner> Glad to be here.
[18:16] <ChackJadson> Congrats
[18:16] <GrandMoffTranner> Thanks, Chack.
[18:16] <Graestan> We're going to look at some articles and decide whether they should be put on probation or not now. Then we'll have a few discussion points.
[18:17] =-= Mode #wookieepedia-agricorps +o GrandMoffTranner by Toprawa
[18:17] <Graestan> Ah, yes. I'll give you access to the channel as well.
[18:17] <GrandMoffTranner> Much thanks.
[18:18] <Graestan> ....after you register at some point with NickServ. ;)
[18:18] <Graestan> All right, back to business.
[18:18] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Balmorra_(Second_Galactic_Civil_War)
[18:19] <Graestan> "A minor issue, but everything should be sourced if we're going to source that one item. Not officially a requirement, but perhaps someone would be willing to write a short little BTS. "
[18:19] <Toprawa> well, the second one is a requirement
[18:19] <Toprawa> and it hasn't been sourced properly
[18:19] <Toprawa> p
[18:20] <ChackJadson> Probe
[18:20] <Graestan> I'll say put it on probation, then I'll probably fix it myself. It's really not much work. Greyman deployed again, else he'd have gotten it by now.
[18:20] <Graestan> Tranner?
[18:20] <GrandMoffTranner> I could probably help with it.
[18:21] <Graestan> So, probation?
[18:21] <GrandMoffTranner> Yes.
[18:21] <Graestan> Alright, that one's probed.
[18:21] <Graestan> Next up: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Rakata_Prime
[18:21] <Toprawa> i dont even know what the deal is with this anymore
[18:22] <Toprawa> i cant understand any of those two messages
[18:22] <ChackJadson> Keep
[18:22] <Graestan> It appears it needs the {{Ref| }} around the ref tags in the infobox, but that ain't nothin but a thang.
[18:22] <Graestan> Keep.
[18:22] <GrandMoffTranner> Looks good to me. Keep.
[18:23] <Toprawa> k
[18:23] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Duel_in_the_Chancellor%27s_Office
[18:23] <Graestan> "This thing needs to be cleaned up. It seems like it's a casualty of time deterioration. We've got unsourced items, improper use of quotes, some BTS stuff that desperately needs sourcing, a Trivia section. "
[18:23] <Graestan> Probation./
[18:23] <GrandMoffTranner> Definitely.
[18:23] <ChackJadson> Probe
[18:23] <Toprawa> p
[18:24] <Graestan> And its sister article: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Duel_in_the_Senate_(Great_Jedi_Purge)
[18:24] <Graestan> "Unsourced infobox, at least one BTS claim requiring a source. Honestly, I think this thing could be expanded a fair bit. "
[18:24] <Graestan> Very short article.
[18:24] <ChackJadson> Probe. I might do this one later (though I probably will forget about it)
[18:24] <Toprawa> p
[18:24] <Graestan> The Aftermath section is badly in need of expansion.
[18:24] <Graestan> Probe.
[18:24] <GrandMoffTranner> Probe.
[18:25] <Graestan> Next up: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Duel_on_Roqoo_Depot
[18:25] <Graestan> "Unsourced infobox "
[18:25] <ChackJadson> Probe
[18:25] <Toprawa> p
[18:25] <GrandMoffTranner> Probe.
[18:25] <Graestan> Probe. It's an easy fix, but I also see potential issues with context.
[18:26] <Graestan> Definite issues with context.*
[18:26] <Graestan> Next up: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Mandalorian_Wars
[18:26] <Graestan> WORLD'S MOST UNDERSTATED ARTICLE
[18:27] <Graestan> "Seems like a Featured article for about half the way through, but then we drop into unsourced paragraphs and improvement tags "
[18:27] <ChackJadson> Probe
[18:27] <Toprawa> p
[18:27] <GrandMoffTranner> Probe.
[18:27] <Graestan> This article's a real mess. Probe. I wish we could insta-kill.
[18:27] <ChackJadson> Seriously
[18:27] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Massacre_at_Ossus
[18:27] <ChackJadson> brb
[18:28] <ChackJadson> Probe
[18:28] <Graestan> "Unsourced items and fact tags across the infobox and article. "
[18:28] <Toprawa> p
[18:28] <GrandMoffTranner> Probe.
[18:28] <Graestan> That fact tag is inappropriate.
[18:28] <Graestan> Probe on the handful of unsourced items. Also an easy fix; this article isn't a mess at all.
[18:29] <Graestan> Oh, Lord. http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/New_Sith_Wars
[18:29] <Graestan> Probe.
[18:29] <Toprawa> p
[18:29] <Graestan> "Nothing is sourced, horrid list sections. "
[18:29] <Graestan> Horrible.
[18:29] <GrandMoffTranner> Probe.
[18:30] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Operation:_Knightfall
[18:31] <Graestan> "Sourcing issues throughout, improper use of quotes, sectioning needs work. Could benefit from an all-around cleanup "
[18:31] <GrandMoffTranner> Probe.
[18:31] <Toprawa> arguable salvageable
[18:31] <Toprawa> p
[18:31] <Toprawa> y*
[18:31] <Graestan> Probe.
[18:31] <ChackJadson> Probe
[18:31] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Skirmish_at_Carkoon
[18:32] <Graestan> "In need of a good cleanup. Some sourcing items, some ugly list sections
[18:32] <Graestan> * Removed the list and sourced everything. Will do a grammar cleanup a little later. Chack Jadson (Talk) 19:12, 20 December 2008 (UTC) "
[18:32] <Toprawa> someone take out that quote out of the middle of the article
[18:32] <ChackJadson> Am doing it now :P
[18:32] <Toprawa> no BTS
[18:32] <ChackJadson> Ah. Probe it, then, and I'll clean it up
[18:32] <Toprawa> Apps and Sources list is seemingly skimpy
[18:33] <Graestan> The article is far, far from comprehensive. Every Tale from Jabba's Palace short story should have a volume of info added.
[18:33] <Toprawa> p
[18:33] <GrandMoffTranner> Probe.
[18:33] <Graestan> Probe.
[18:33] <ChackJadson> Honestly, it is pretty poor
[18:33] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Combined_Clans_Center_Building
[18:33] <Graestan> Too short.
[18:33] <Toprawa> p
[18:33] <ChackJadson> Probe
[18:33] <GrandMoffTranner> Indeed. Probe.
[18:34] <Graestan> Probe.
[18:34] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Exovar%27s_Emporium
[18:34] <Graestan> This article could be great.
[18:34] <Graestan> I like the prices section.
[18:34] <ChackJadson> Probe
[18:34] <Graestan> "I don't understand why some items are sourced and some aren't, if there's only one source in the list. Should be cleaned up. "
[18:34] <ChackJadson> Though it's a technicality, almost
[18:35] <Graestan> Needs quite a bit of cleanup. Probe.
[18:35] <GrandMoffTranner> Probe.
[18:35] <Toprawa> I'd like the sectioning to conform to our unofficial location standards
[18:35] <Toprawa> p
[18:35] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Fondor
[18:35] <ChackJadson> Sigh. brb again. Probe everyhting else
[18:35] <Graestan> alright
[18:36] <Graestan> Fondor is missing so much information it's disgusting.
[18:36] <Toprawa> p
[18:36] <Graestan> Probe.
[18:36] <GrandMoffTranner> I'm afraid I must leave as well. I vote probe for everything else.
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[18:36] <Graestan> alright
[18:36] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Korriban
[18:37] <Toprawa> p
[18:37] <Graestan> Probe.
[18:37] <ChackJadson> Probe
[18:37] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Ryloth
[18:37] <Graestan> Sourcing.
[18:37] <Graestan> Probe.
[18:37] <Toprawa> p
[18:37] <Graestan> Should be a LONG FA.
[18:38] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Taris
[18:38] <Graestan> "Serious issues regarding the legitimacy of information in this article due to a recent FA nomination by a certain vandal who was blocked, as some Inqs may recall. "
[18:39] <Graestan> Shaelas?
[18:39] <Toprawa> I dont remember if I and Chack were Inqs at this point, but I think everyone remembers Shaelus's raping of this article
[18:39] <Toprawa> Hydro said a lot of the GATORW sourcing is questionable
[18:39] <Graestan> I have a conspiracy theory about Shaelas and Mitth.
[18:39] <Toprawa> I just dont know how much I trust it
[18:39] <Toprawa> And I'd like someone to confirm it
[18:39] <Graestan> Probe.
[18:39] <Toprawa> p
[18:40] <ChackJadson> Probe
[18:40] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Taris_dueling_ring
[18:40] <Graestan> Probe. I'll talk to Fiolli about the spec.
[18:40] <Toprawa> "The arena was most likely rebuilt, as a dueling was active on Taris during the Galactic Civil War. "
[18:40] <Toprawa> Uhh, really?
[18:41] <Toprawa> p
[18:41] <Graestan> http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Telos_IV
[18:42] <Graestan> "Sourcing could be cleaned up in select body section, unsourced infobox
[18:42] <Graestan> * Sourced most of the infobox and a bit of the body. I don't have access to other sources needed to finish it all.* Cylka * 03:43, 10 December 2008 (UTC) "
[18:42] <Graestan> This is where I get somewhat annoyed.
[18:42] <Toprawa> that's not even the issue to me
[18:42] <Graestan> A lot of sourcing being added to bad articles doesn't make them OK.
[18:42] <Toprawa> it doesnt conform to the LG
[18:42] <Toprawa> no Description section, Inhabitants, etc.
[18:42] <Toprawa> Locations
[18:42] <Graestan> Ah yes.
[18:43] <Graestan> Probe, then.
[18:43] <Toprawa> p
[18:43] <Graestan> The ambiguously (in)famous http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cloak_of_Deception
[18:43] <Toprawa> p
[18:43] <Graestan> "Yeah, this isn't in the meeting category, but the article's a list, it doesn't fit the MoS, and users are using it as a model for OOU GA's. This one needs to be killed fast. DC 22:31, 10 December 2008 (UTC) "
[18:43] <Graestan> Should never have made it into the GA.
[18:43] <Graestan> Probe.
[18:44] <Graestan> Oh, yuck: http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cloak_of_Deception#Cover_gallery
[18:44] <Graestan> STAR WARS: BORRENLAS TODAS! TODAS!
[18:44] <Toprawa> well, we agreed in a CT to allow galleries for that
[18:44] * Toprawa shrugs
[18:44] <Graestan> GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL
[18:44] <Toprawa> not that I supported it, mind you
[18:45] <Graestan> The sort of CT that would close in exactly two weeks with a 20-2 nowadays.
[18:45] <Graestan> Alright, no more articles.
[18:46] <Graestan> Chack, it's ironic you're the only other person here for this portion of the meeting.
[18:46] <ChackJadson> lol
[18:46] <Graestan> "It is becoming a concern that the post-meeting "paperwork" isn't getting done. Myself and Grae have been the only ones do it, and while I don't mean this as a bad thing, since we're happy to do it, we just don't always have the time to get everything done. As I write this, all the talkpage article milestone work for probed articles still isn't finished. I know it's a bitch, but this is...
[18:46] <Graestan> ...everyone's responsibility, and I would like to get everyone involved in this to be fair. I was hoping we could agree to designate someone "paperwork bitch" every meeting, and it becomes their responsibility that time around to archive and remove GAs, etc. Toprawa and Ralltiir 02:17, 5 December 2008 (UTC) "
[18:46] <Toprawa> I find it disturbingly appropriate
[18:46] <Toprawa> Any objections?
[18:46] <Graestan> Not it! :P
[18:46] <ChackJadson> Just one thing
[18:47] <ChackJadson> Since almost no one else shows up, what are we going to do just assign users who don't come to the meetigns this duty once?
[18:47] <ChackJadson> Get what I'm asking?
[18:47] <Graestan> Well, Tope and I are always here.
[18:48] <Toprawa> I wouldnt even mind using this as sort of a benign warning measure to inactive users
[18:48] <Toprawa> You don't do anythign anyways, the least you can do is the paperwork
[18:48] <ChackJadson> Yeah, just are we going to make someone like Xadun (who never comes) do this once?
[18:48] <Graestan> I wouldn't mind snipping a name or two off the list for extreme site inactivity.
[18:48] <ChackJadson> I agree Grae.
[18:48] <Toprawa> Well, for the time being, I think Tranner should do this.
[18:48] <Graestan> And forcibly conscripting Acky.
[18:49] <Toprawa> I'm willing to give our two most serious inactive members the benefit of a few more meetings to start showing up
[18:49] <Graestan> We have to show Tranner how.
[18:49] <ChackJadson> Could we talk about Grae's idea now? Measures to remove them, at least in the future. Maybe after next meeting, if they haven't stepped up, kick them out
[18:49] <Graestan> We just vote 'em out. It's nice and easy when it's just us three or us and DC.
[18:49] <Toprawa> Next meeting will be the review of Character articles, most likely a humongous meeting
[18:50] <Toprawa> I want to give us a chance to have the most members possible
[18:50] <ChackJadson> Yeah, at that meeting do you want to, perhaps?
[18:50] <Toprawa> So I can wait to kick people until after that
[18:50] <Graestan> Assuming Tranner will become a fixture, too, though, considering he's pretty committed.
[18:50] <ChackJadson> If they don't contribute more?
[18:50] <ChackJadson> I could split the paperwork with Tranner for this meeting, BTW
[18:50] <Toprawa> I can support that - begin looking at removal measures next meeting
[18:50] <Graestan> I wouldn't mind doing the chatlog and results.
[18:50] <Graestan> Just not keen on all the rigamarole afterwards, not tonight, at least.
[18:51] <Graestan> I'd be willing to do it at the next meeting.
[18:51] <ChackJadson> Shoot, gotta run off for a sec
[18:51] <Toprawa> Chack must have explosive diarrhea
[18:51] <ChackJadson> lol, sorry Nintendo Wii issues
[18:52] <ChackJadson> My sister keeps trying to get me to fix it
[18:53] <Toprawa> So what do we think? Begin considering removal measures next meeting?
[18:53] <Graestan> Okiedokie.
[18:53] <Graestan> Wii suck.
[18:54] <Toprawa> I'll inform Tranner we're assigning him to learn the post-meeting paper work
[18:54] <Graestan> heehee
[18:54] * Graestan promises he'll be the bitch next time if the meet's on a Sat night or Sun afternoon
[18:54] <Graestan> alright
[18:54] <Graestan> Meeting adjourned?
[18:54] <Toprawa> Yes
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